good evening. i'm tatiana sanchezin good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the newsroom. nurses are calling for a double digit pay are calling for a double digit pay offer to prevent further strike action. the head of the royal college of nursing, pat cullen , told the sunday times cullen, told the sunday times the government risks another six months of industrial action if negotiations aren't reopened and members rejected a 5% offer which was accepted by 14 other unions . a new ballot for strikes unions. a new ballot for strikes is set to be held later this month . gatwick airport was month. gatwick airport was forced to shut a runway for almost an hour following a

suspected drone incident earlier today. flights were temporarily suspended and 12 inbound planes were diverted to other airports. british airways says one of its flights was affected with it landing at stansted before refuelling and returning to gatwick. a spokesperson for the airport says passenger safety is the airport's absolute priority and the investigations have now been completed . suggestions of been completed. suggestions of unrest within the conservative party are being downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly a thousand councillors were lost and the decision to scale back post brexit plans to scrap eu laws . former home secretary laws. former home secretary priti patel accused the leader of failing to listen to his party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in glory since bofis covered itself in glory since boris johnson's leadership . boris johnson's leadership. energy secretary grant sharp says the prime minister is doing the right things and the people need to be patient. i think this and she— need to be patient. i think this and she ws— need to be patient. i think this and she was referring-

need to be patient. i think this and she was referring to- : ithink this and she was referring to the set of elections— and she was referring to the set of elections which— and she was referring to the set of elections which were obviously— of elections which were obviously very difficult for the conservatives. _ obviously very difficult for the conservatives. they weren't a good— conservatives. they weren't a good set— conservatives. they weren't a good set of— conservatives. they weren't a good set of elections for us, out— good set of elections for us, out this— good set of elections for us, but this was— good set of elections for us, but this was the— good set of elections for us, but this was the first opponunioy- but this was the first opportunity people have had to comment— opportunity people have had to comment shenanigans comment on all the shenanigans of-summor— comment on all the shenanigans of-summor ano— comment on all the shenanigans of summer and those many of last summer and those many leadership— of last summer and those many leadership changes that went on. i think— leadership changes that went on. monk people— leadership changes that went on. i think people were venting moir— i think people were venting their frustration. i i think people were venting theirfrustration. i actually their frustration. i actually think— their frustration. i actually thinkohoo— their frustration. i actually think that rishi sunak, in his five— think that rishi sunak, in his five point— think that rishi sunak, in his five point plan— think that rishi sunak, in his five point plan to halve inflation— five point plan to halve inflation and- five point plan to halve inflation and grow the economy and— inflation and grow the economy and rosoroo— inflation and grow the economy and restore reduce— inflation and grow the economy and restore reduce our debt and cut and restore reduce our debt and out she— and restore reduce our debt and out the nos— and restore reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list and stop— cut the nhs waiting list and stop the— cut the nhs waiting list and stop the small— cut the nhs waiting list and stop the small boats. i think hos— stop the small boats. i think ho-s doing— stop the small boats. i think he's doing exactly the right things— he's doing exactly the right shings ano— he's doing exactly the right things and let's judge him against— things and let's judge him against that. _ things and let's judge him against that. let's judge this government— against that. let's judge this government against that. it government against that. when it comes next election, i'm comes to the next election, i'm counting— comes to the next election, i'm sonnnng is— comes to the next election, i'm counting is underway in turkey to osnonnsn— counting is underway in turkey to establish who— counting is underway in turkey to establish who will be the noon— to establish who will be the next country's _ to establish who will be the next country's leader . next country's leader. voters nove— next country's leader. voters have been— next country's leader. voters have been deciding on whether president erdogan, who's been in power 20 years, should be power for 20 years, should be re—elected. opinion polls ahead of the ballot gave his main rival, kemal kilicdaroglu, a slight lead, but a clearer indication of the first round result is expected this evening . and the ukrainian president has received an award during his

visit to germany . he was visit to germany. he was presented with the international charlemagne prize of aachen in recognition of the ukrainian people and vladimir zelenskyy's fight for freedom against what's been described as the unjustified russian war of aggression. the board of directors said the award underscores the fact that ukraine is part of europe and the country supports the bloc's european values . tv online the country supports the bloc's european values. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to free speech nation . away speech nation. away. welcome. this is free speech— f nm" welcome. this is free speech nation f nair“ welcome. this is free speech nation . this is free speech nation. on

on nongnn-s— this is free speech nation. on on tonight's show— this is free speech nation. on on tonight's show after trainspotting- on tonight's show after trainspotting author irvine nonn— trainspotting author irvine wgg. says— trainspotting author irvine wgg. says on— trainspotting author irvine welsh says jk rowling's been nononsoo— welsh says jk rowling's been demonised for— welsh says jk rowling's been demonised for her feminist views . is no— demonised for her feminist views . is no nonn— demonised for her feminist views . is the harry potter— demonised for her feminist views . is the harry potter author nonn— . is the harry potter author moron o— . is the harry potter author merely a victim— . is the harry potter author merely a victim of twitter after the merely a victim of twitter after no onson— merely a victim of twitter after the prison service— merely a victim of twitter after the prison service says calling onninots— the prison service says calling onninns .— the prison service says calling criminals , calling criminals, criminals, calling criminals, onninns— criminals, calling criminals, onninns is— criminals, calling criminals, criminals is offensive, what snooty— criminals is offensive, what exactly should _ criminals is offensive, what exactly should we call them? wou— exactly should we call them? won no— exactly should we call them? we'll be speaking to a former onsonon— we'll be speaking to a former prisoner here— we'll be speaking to a former prisoner here if— we'll be speaking to a former prisoner here if i'm allowed to son— prisoner here if i'm allowed to son nin— prisoner here if i'm allowed to call him that— prisoner here if i'm allowed to call him that to— prisoner here if i'm allowed to call him that to get his take. ano— call him that to get his take. no nou— call him that to get his take. and we'll hear— call him that to get his take. and we'll hear how summer school nong— and we'll hear how summer school nving noooon— and we'll hear how summer school living freedom has— and we'll hear how summer school living freedom has made its nrsson— living freedom has made its no— living freedom has made its mission to defend free speech ngnn— mission to defend free speech ngnn no— mission to defend free speech ngnn no on— mission to defend free speech right up our street at my studio guests— right up our street at my studio gnosns nnis— right up our street at my studio guests this evening are sonogons— guests this evening are comedians cressida wetton and frances— comedians cressida wetton and frances foster— comedians cressida wetton and frances foster .— comedians cressida wetton and frances foster . to— comedians cressida wetton and frances foster . to kick comedians cressida wetton and frances foster. to kick things on,— frances foster. to kick things on, ton-s— frances foster. to kick things on, tons gon— frances foster. to kick things off, let's get some questions non— off, let's get some questions from no— off, let's get some questions from the audience. our first question— from the audience. our first question is— from the audience. our first question is from _ from the audience. our first question is from christina. so does— question is from christina. so does non— question is from christina. so does elon musk— question is from christina. so does elon musk really- question is from christina. so does elon musk really believe in free speech or is it just a greedy billionaire ? does elon greedy billionaire? does elon musk believe— greedy billionaire? does elon musk believe in— greedy billionaire? does elon musk believe in free- giililcgr cc ”ri?’ does elon musk believe in free speech? tns— musk believe in free speech? ms is— musk believe in free speech? ms is nnis— musk believe in free speech? this is this is— musk believe in free speech? this is this is relating to nonsen— this is this is relating to twitter boss— this is this is relating to twitter boss elon musk, who confirmed— twitter boss elon musk, who confirmed the _ twitter boss elon musk, who confirmed the social media platform,— confirmed the social media piononn, is— confirmed the social media platform, is blocking content in

tunney.— platform, is blocking content in tunney. anson— platform, is blocking content in turkey. ahead of— platform, is blocking content in turkey. ahead of upcoming presidential— turkey. ahead of upcoming presidential elections, which are presidential elections, which nopponng— presidential elections, which are happening today. he didn't spoon— are happening today. he didn't specify details— are happening today. he didn't specify details about which onsets— specify details about which tweets would _ specify details about which tweets would be affected or who nono— tweets would be affected or who nooo sno— tweets would be affected or who made the request.— tweets would be affected or who made the request. i should imagine— made the request. i should imagine is— made the request. i should imagine it's somebody on the presidents— imagine it's somebody on the president's side,— imagine it's somebody on the president's side, though, and turnsn— president's side, though, and turkish president recep tayyip erdogan— turkish president recep tayyip noogon nos— turkish president recep tayyip erdogan has previously blocked the erdogan has previously blocked nno sno— erdogan has previously blocked nno sno ong— erdogan has previously blocked the site and is— erdogan has previously blocked the site and is facing a strong snouongo— the site and is facing a strong snouongo g..— the site and is facing a strong challenge in the— the site and is facing a strong challenge in the election. from kyiv— challenge in the election. from kviv kno— challenge in the election. from kyiv kira rudik_ challenge in the election. from kyiv kira rudik ,_ challenge in the election. from kyiv kira rudik , the other guy , kyiv kira rudik, the other guy, musk— kyiv kira rudik, the other guy, musk noon— kyiv kira rudik, the other guy, musk wrote, did— kyiv kira rudik, the other guy, musk wrote, did your brain fall out on— musk wrote, did your brain fall out on youn— musk wrote, did your brain fall out of your head— musk wrote, did your brain fall out of your head ?_ musk wrote, did your brain fall out of your head ? iglesias out of your head? iglesias inn-s— out of your head? iglesias that's that's— out of your head? iglesias that's that's him responding to a that's that's him responding to o ionnnonsn— that's that's him responding to a journalist who— that's that's him responding to a journalist who asked him. so he a journalist who asked him. so no says— a journalist who asked him. so no says i...— a journalist who asked him. so he says the choice— a journalist who asked him. so he says the choice is to either snow— he says the choice is to either nnnon nou— he says the choice is to either throw full twitter— he says the choice is to either throw full twitter entirely or unn— throw full twitter entirely or limit access— throw full twitter entirely or limit access to _ throw full twitter entirely or limit access to some tweets that are limit access to some tweets that minn— limit access to some tweets that are mildly critical— limit access to some tweets that are mildly critical of the president— are mildly critical of the president .— are mildly critical of the president . which one do you president. which one do you nonn— president. which one do you want? no— president. which one do you want? he said— president. which one do you want? he said .— president. which one do you want? he said . i— president. which one do you want? he said . i mean, what do want? he said. i mean, what do you— want? he said. i mean, what do you nnon— want? he said. i mean, what do you no no— want? he said. i mean, what do you no go you— want? he said. i mean, what do you what do you make of this, nonsm— you what do you make of this, nonnss r— you what do you make of this, francis? i mean,— you what do you make of this, francis? i mean, this this seems uno— francis? i mean, this this seems like i— francis? i mean, this this seems like i noon— francis? i mean, this this seems like i r— francis? i mean, this this seems like i mean, i don't— francis? i mean, this this seems like i mean, i don't know, tech sononosn— like i mean, i don't know, tech oonnonipos no— like i mean, i don't know, tech companies are caught between a nook— companies are caught between a nook ong— companies are caught between a nook and o— companies are caught between a rock and a hard— companies are caught between a rock and a hard place. got rock and a hard place. he's got no— rock and a hard place. he's got nno-on— rock and a hard place. he's got the-of either— rock and a hard place. he's got the-of either not- the choice of either not oonsonng— the choice of either not censoring president's censoring the president's oppononns— censoring the president's oppononns on— censoring the president's opponents or having twitter completely— opponents or having twitter completely - off - opponents or having twitter completely-off .- opponents or having twitter completely off . well, at completely cut off. well, at onon— completely cut off. well, at not gonn— completely cut off. well, at no point .— completely cut off. well, at that point , you've got to ask, that point, you've got to ask, so onon—

that point, you've got to ask, so no no— that point, you've got to ask, so what are what— that point, you've got to ask, so what are what are his values? is so what are what are his values? is no— so what are what are his values? is no oonnouy— so what are what are his values? is he actually pro— so what are what are his values? is he actually pro free speech? ano— is he actually pro free speech? and in— is he actually pro free speech? and if no-s— is he actually pro free speech? and if no-s ono— is he actually pro free speech? and if he's pro free speech, noosn-n— and if he's pro free speech, doesn't that— and if he's pro free speech, doesn't that actually mean that yon-no— doesn't that actually mean that yon-no onon— doesn't that actually mean that yon-no onon going— doesn't that actually mean that you're then going to pay the price— you're then going to pay the price-your— you're then going to pay the price .your free- you're then going to pay the price your free speech? price for your free speech? on — price for your free speech? yeah, no, he's— price for your free speech? yeah, no, he's playing- price for your free speech? yeah, no, he's playing long yeah, no, he's playing the long game. like not game. surely this is like not swearing for ofcom, isn't it? he's within the he's got to keep within the lines make sure that because lines and make sure that because erdogan's previous he shut erdogan's got previous he shut down twitter before when there might have been some unhappy people his response to the people with his response to the earthquake. so got he's got earthquake. so he's got he's got to surely the to do this surely for the greater good. it's interesting onon— greater good. it's interesting snot-sonooo— greater good. it's interesting that-compare ofcom - giiari” 3: it's interesting that compare ofcom to that you compare ofcom to a monoton— that you compare ofcom to a dissonon .— that you compare ofcom to a dictator. you've— that you compare ofcom to a dictator . you've been that you compare ofcom to a dictator. you've been working at too on— dictator. you've been working at too on nons— dictator. you've been working at too gb news long.— dictator. you've been working at too gb news long. chris skudder. i'm too gb news long. chris skudder. in inso— too gb news long. chris skudder. nn insn saying— too gb news long. chris skudder. i'm just saying there are inns. — i'm just saying there are limits. you've- i'm just saying there are limits. /i. grin. i'm just saying there are limits. /ix. gix i'm just saying there are limits. v4ix. gix limits. you've got to play within the rules of the game, haven't you? so just haven't you? so he's just nonnng— haven't you? so he's just working within— i 7 so he's just working within rules, i ix.7 so he's just working within rules, just working within the rules, just as nobody— working within the rules, just as anybody posting on twitter is nonnng— as anybody posting on twitter is working within— as anybody posting on twitter is working within the guidelines of nonnon. — working within the guidelines of twitter. _elon- working within the guidelines of twitter. elon musk working within the guidelines of twitcome elon musk working within the guidelines of twitcome out elon musk working within the guidelines of twitcome out as elon musk working within the guidelines of twitcome out as freei musk working within the guidelines of twitcome out as free speech has come out as a free speech onsoinnsn — has come out as a free speech absolutist. .he_ has come out as a free speech absolutist. he said, you absolutist. and he said, you know.— absolutist. and he said, you know-is— absolutist. and he said, you know,-is one- absolutist. and he said, you know,-is one of- absolutist. and he said, you know, is one of the know, this is one of the cornerstones- know, this is one of the cornerstones of western civilisation. _ cornerstones of western civilisation. is civilisation. but the reality is onon— civilisation. but the reality is nnon n— civilisation. but the reality is when it comes— civilisation. but the reality is when it comes to— civilisation. but the reality is when it comes to other parts of the when it comes to other parts of no nong— when it comes to other parts of the world, turns— when it comes to other parts of the world, turns out they don't uno— the world, turns out they don't no n— the world, turns out they don't no n .— the world, turns out they don't no n . won.— the world, turns out they don't like it . well, we've seen this like it. well, we've seen this onon— like it. well, we've seen this nnn onnon— like it. well, we've seen this with other organisations with other tech organisations onon— with other tech organisations onon novo— with other tech organisations that have worked with , for that have worked with, for oxonoio—

that have worked with, for example, chinese government example, the chinese government to example, the chinese government no-ooooss— example, the chinese government no-ooooss ono— example, the chinese government to-access and i— example, the chinese government to-access and i can't- to limit access and i can't remember which which that google nonkoo— remember which which that google nonkoo winn— remember which which that google worked with the— remember which which that google worked with the chinese government _ worked with the chinese government to. mean they all government to. i mean they all probably— government to. i mean they all onononiy-nnn— government to. i mean they all probably -with the- government to. i mean they all probably with the chinese probably work with the chinese goonnnnonn — government. major, you know what i government. major, you know what r—insn— i mean? but not just manufacturing the, mobile manufacturing the, the mobile ononos— manufacturing the, the mobile phones—this- manufacturing the, the mobile phones—this is- phones and things. this is actually.— phones and things. this is actually, - know, - phones and things. this is actually, know, limiting actually, you know, limiting access to sites and limiting soonon— access to sites and limiting search-well- access to sites and limiting search -well the - access to sites and limiting search well the reality search results. well the reality is, search results. well the reality is. is— search results. well the reality is. is in— search results. well the reality is. is i you— search results. well the reality is, is if you want— search results. well the reality is, is if you want to operate in inoso— is, is if you want to operate in these countries,— is, is if you want to operate in these countries, then you have to these countries, then you have io oinono— these countries, then you have io oinono ny— these countries, then you have to adhere by their— these countries, then you have to adhere by their rules and a lot to adhere by their rules and a ioilinoso— to adhere by their rules and a lot these countries have , lot of these countries have, iono— lot of these countries have, iono i— lot of these countries have, iono i soy— lot of these countries have, iono i so i,— lot of these countries have, dare i say it, gender critical iooions— dare i say it, gender critical leaders mate.— dare i say it, gender critical leaders mate. so- dare i say it, gender critical leaders mate. so the good thing is nono— leaders mate. so the good thing is nono. musk— leaders mate. so the good thing is here, musk got— leaders mate. so the good thing is here, musk got it all out in ino— is here, musk got it all out in no open- — is here, musk got it all out in no opon. vio— is here, musk got it all out in the open. we know- is here, musk got it all out in the open. �*fin�*ii; is here, musk got it all out in the open. we know that he's going to be doing this. it's not shadowbanning. it's not sneaky. so that's quite good, isn't it, to so that's quite good, isn't it, io know— so that's quite good, isn't it, to know what's— so that's quite good, isn't it, to know what's going to happen. so to know what's going to happen. so no-s— to know what's going to happen. so no-s ioing— to know what's going to happen. so he's being open— to know what's going to happen. so he's being open about nosinioiing— so he's being open about restricting free- so he's being open about restricting free speech. iv4i;~;: restricting free speech. yes. i inns-s— restricting free speech. yes. i mean, that's-that- restricting free speech. yes. i mean, that's that great for mean, that's not that great for somebody supposed somebody who's supposed to be a free speech app. but the point is onon— free speech app. but the point is no no— free speech app. but the point is that we know— free speech app. but the point is that we know it's— ”ii; i but the point is that we know it's happening. so is that we know it's happening. so—oi— is that we know it's happening. so—oi nono- is that we know it's happening. so_of make it.- is that we know it's happening.| so_of make it. you so you can kind of make it. you adjust— so you can kind of make it. you oiinsi ion— so you can kind of make it. you can adjust for that,— so you can kind of make it. you can adjust for that, can't you, onon— can adjust for that, can't you, nnon yon-no— can adjust for that, can't you, when you're reading twitter. nui— when you're reading twitter. in ii— when you're reading twitter. in if no— when you're reading twitter. in if he did— when you're reading twitter. but if he did just— when you're reading twitter. but if he did just-to- when you're reading twitter. i but if he did just-to free but if he did just stick to free speech turn down speech absolutism and turn down the to the president's request to censor opponents, wouldn't censor his opponents, wouldn't people to access people then be forced to access twitter vpns and be able

twitter through vpns and be able to have full free speech to have the full free speech experience? well we're not all tech brilliant smarty pants like you. iwouldn't tech brilliant smarty pants like you. i wouldn't actually how to do you. i wouldn't actually how to no inan— you. i wouldn't actually how to do that myself. _ i wouldn't actually how to do that myself. iv4i;ia�* g do that myself. yeah, i guess inn-s— do that myself. yeah, i guess inoi-s on— do that myself. yeah, i guess so. that's an option.- do that myself. 4 g that's an option. is it? so. that's an option. is it? won— so. that's an option. is it? won novo— so. that's an option. is it? we'd have to— so. that's an option. is it? we'd have to go- that's an option. is it? we'd have to go to vpns. iniiiiicc we'd have to go to vpns. well, they— we'd have to go to vpns. well, inoy nonin— we'd have to go to vpns. well, they would have— we'd have to go to vpns. well, they would have to go to. that's what people do china. and what people do in china. and i think in scotland as the snp get increasingly authoritarian. but but our next question but moving on our next question is from lyle. where is lyle? hi hi. nice to be on again. mine hi. nice to be on again . mine is hi. nice to be on again. mine is ononn— hi. nice to be on again. mine is oioni ino— hi. nice to be on again. mine is about the wafting— hi. nice to be on again. mine is about the wafting smell of ionioonos— about the wafting smell of barbecues that's offending noignionns— barbecues that's offending noignionns .— barbecues that's offending neighbours . as an architect, neighbours. as an architect, i see a potential— neighbours. as an architect, i see a potential work coming in non— see a potential work coming in non youn— see a potential work coming in from your building . 100 foot from your building. 100 foot nign— from your building. 100 foot nign gioss— from your building. 100 foot high glass walls . maybe that'll hiin glass walls. maybe that'll be high glass walls. maybe that'll no ino— high glass walls. maybe that'll be the solution— high glass walls. maybe that'll be the solution . _ high glass walls. maybe that'll be the solution . iv4i;ia�* high glass walls. maybe that'll be the solution . 4 be the solution. so. yeah. so onio— be the solution. so. yeah. so this relates to earlier this week, a vegan family , sarah week, a vegan family, sarah wayne and kids is i don't think the name is kids sent an angry letter to their neighbour kylie. were these people named in the 80s i'm getting that by over the smell of their barbecue meat coming into their home and

making them feel sick. they have since followed up with a last warning letter threatening to report. kylie presumably to some level of authority and go to social media if she doesn't give in to demands . social media if she doesn't give in to demands. i mean, i'm in to their demands. i mean, i'm amazed vegans could find the energy to do that crazy, brilliant, brilliant. well, i don't think it— brilliant, brilliant. well, i don't think it goes- brilliant, brilliant. well, i don't think it goes far- well, i don't think it goes far enough. i don't think it goes far enough. i inink— don't think it goes far enough. i think anybody— don't think it goes far enough. i think anybody that wears body sprai— i think anybody that wears body spray on— i think anybody that wears body spray on pinio— i think anybody that wears body spray on public transport should get spray on public transport should goi o— spray on public transport should goi o iixoi— spray on public transport should get a fixed penalty notice on ino— get a fixed penalty notice on no soon— get a fixed penalty notice on no spoi- vou— get a fixed penalty notice on the spot. you know, you'd the spot. you know, i you'd noinon— the spot. you know, i you'd noinon poopio — the spot. you know, i you'd rather people -of - the spot. you know, i you'd rather people of b0 i'd rather people smelt of b0 i'd noinon— rather people smelt of b0 i'd noinon inoy— rather people smelt of b0 i'd rather they didn't— rather people smelt of b0 i'd rather they didn't smell of ononng.— rather they didn't smell of onyining. i— rather they didn't smell of anything. i just— rather they didn't smell of anything. i just i rather they didn't smell of anything. ijust i sort rather they didn't smell of anything. i just i sort of take non— anything. i just i sort of take non ooini. — anything. i just i sort of take non poini. i— anything. i just i sort of take her point. i mean, i wouldn't go nniiing— her point. i mean, i wouldn't go nniiing noosi— her point. i mean, i wouldn't go writing notes. yeah s writing notes. yeah > is that noo— writing notes. yeah > is that ioo passive— writing notes. yeah > is that too passive aggressive for you? yeah, for sure. it is aggressive. aggressive? yeah. if i'm going to be 33 ggiiss iii;7 yeah. if i'm going to be aggressive, yon-ii— i'm going to be aggressive, yon-ii-oioni- i'm going to be aggressive, you'll-about it. - i'm going to be aggressive, you'll about it. : i'm going to be aggressive,- you'll-about it. would you you'll know about it. would you be straight there with a be straight round there with a with smashing bottle of bud with a smashing a bottle of bud light it in their light and sticking it in their face? probably be on the face? no i'd probably be on the onono— face? no i'd probably be on the phone mooning— face? no i'd probably be on the phone moaning to— face? no i'd probably be on the phone moaning to a— i7 \iiiii i'd probably be on the phone moaning to a friend. yogi.— phone moaning to a friend. on maybe— phone moaning to a friend. noon. maybe i— phone moaning to a friend. yeah, maybe i am- phone moaning to a friend. yeah, maybe i am passive aggressive. i don't know. i insi— aggressive. i don't know. i insi. in— aggressive. i don't know. i just. i'm amazed- aggressive. i don't know. i- just. i'm amazed -woman just. i'm amazed that this woman nook—pogo. — just. i'm amazed that this woman nook—pogo. noon.- took a pen and paper. yeah, i insi— took a pen and paper. yeah, i insilnoon— took a pen and paper. yeah, i just.imean, wait— took a pen and paper. yeah, i just.imean, wait it- took a pen and paper. yeah, i just. mean, wait it out. it's just. i mean, wait it out. it's onio— just. i mean, wait it out. it's oniy. ii-s— just. i mean, wait it out. it's only. it's temporary, isn't it? and.— only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. nui—

only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. not its— only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. but it's going- only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. but it's going to- only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. but it's going to be- and. but it's going to be a bigger, an increasing problem as we into summer. a lot of we go into the summer. a lot of people gone based and people have gone plant based and the barbecue meat, the smell of barbecue meat, although you know, normal people find delicious. people find it delicious. people who aren't disgusted aren't normal can be disgusted by i see like this. by it. well, i see it like this. if they're going to get offended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit,y're going to get offended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then oing to get offended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then i'm| to get offended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then i'm allowediffended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then i'm allowed toended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then i'm allowed to bead by it, then i'm allowed to be offended by vegans coming into a space eating a whole bag full of lentils and then contaminating the atmosphere with their methane and creating their own miniature weather system , which miniature weather system, which which is a horrific greenhouse gas. exactly and contributes to global warming. warming yeah. so in many ways , they're part of in many ways, they're part of the problem. they are part of the problem. they are part of the problem. they are part of the problem. i mean, don't you don't you see this? i can't say i've had any big problems with vegan farts that i'm aware of. you didn't spend long enough on the comedy circuit. you know , the comedy circuit. you know, we've all got to get along, haven't we? maybe the big glass nous— haven't we? maybe the big glass noiis no— haven't we? maybe the big glass noiis ino— haven't we? maybe the big glass walls are the answer.— i i 7 maybe the big glass walls are the answer. yeah keep ooonony— walls are the answer. yeah keep everyone separate— walls are the answer. yeah keep everyone separate .— walls are the answer. yeah keep everyone separate . yeah, i everyone separate. yeah, i inink. — everyone separate. yeah, i inink. i— everyone separate. yeah, i think. i think— everyone separate. yeah, i think. g everyone separate. yeah, i- think. i think pushing because i've seen so much vegan food

being pushed on us. if you go to get a sandwich at marks and spencer's, i got one. i got a yellow sticker sandwich, one of their plant based. it was supposed to be a no lamb shawarma . like i'm not shawarma. and like i'm not joking. the stuff that was supposed an all vegan supposed to be lamb an all vegan food is, you know, it's got the reputation of being disgusting. but was insane, but this was just insane, rancid. it was like was like rancid. it was like it was like boiled tube. it was , well, boiled inner tube. it was, well, i mind people having i don't mind people having disgusting hate that disgusting food. i hate that food disgusting food. i hate that foot-goi— disgusting food. i hate that noon-got so— disgusting food. i hate that food-got so political. . i: g g : i hate that food got so political. it's food has got so political. it's ino— food has got so political. it's iiko-oon-i— food has got so political. it's like-can't-buy- like you can't just buy a soninion— like you can't just buy a sandwich now- like you can't just buy a sandwich now without it being a noiiiiooi— sandwich now without it being a political comment. and i find inn— political comment. and i find that-tiresome- political comment. and i find that-tiresome. - political comment. and i find that-tiresome . i- political comment. and i find that tiresome . that a bit tiresome. i love eating— that a bit tiresome. i love eating a— that a bit tiresome. i love eating a sandwich and supporting gay people . do you remember when gay people. do you remember when they like the lgbt marks and spencer's released that? it's brilliant . well, think how think brilliant. well, think how think how thick that sandwich is going to be. there's all those other letters the lgbtq two plus letters in the lgbtq two plus plus hyphen asterisks. yeah ukraine flag symbol. i mean, it's . it's ukraine flag symbol. i mean, it's. it's ridiculous to think about it. if you eat an lgbt sandwich , you're giving two sandwich, you're giving two fingers up to saudi arabia

because number one, it's pro 9334- because number one, it's pro gay. and number two, you're eating bacon, two fingers up. you see. anyway, our next question is from alan. where's alan? over here. hello. should you— alan? over here. hello. should you goi— alan? over here. hello. should you goi o— alan? over here. hello. should you get a pay— alan? over here. hello. should you get a pay ri59— w7 over here. hello. should you get a pay rise even when you are you get a pay rise even when you noi— you get a pay rise even when you are not working? _ you get a pay rise even when you are not working? whip : are not working? well, i should . now, this is this is about a man who's been on sick leave since 2008, who's suing his employer for not giving pay him a pay employer for not giving pay him a pay raise in the meantime, arguing that inflation is withering away. his salary . so withering away. his salary. so he's called ian clifford. he's employed by tech giant ibm, but he's been off sick for the past 15 years. just your average british worker, really. and according to his linkedin profile, he's been medically retired since 2013 under the terms of the company's health plan, where an employee has the right to earn three quarters of their agreed earnings , as their agreed earnings, as clifford has received an an annual payment of £54,028 and will keep doing so until he's 65. so in the end he'll have received about £1.5 million for

sitting at home on his couch. i'm not sure what's wrong with him. maybe it's something terribly serious and we shouldn't but i shouldn't be laughing. but i mean, do you make of this? mean, what do you make of this? i'll tell you what, i bet he nniios— i'll tell you what, i bet he nniios o— i'll tell you what, i bet he writes a fantastic neighbour oonpioini. — writes a fantastic neighbour complaint. no— writes a fantastic neighbour complaint. no what do i make of it? complaint. no what do i make of iiolnoon— complaint. no what do i make of iiolnoon goon— complaint. no what do i make of it?imean, good on— complaint. no what do i make of it? mean, good on him. wow it? i mean, good on him. wow is— it? i mean, good on him. wow ii-s-innnossivo.- it? i mean, good on him. wow it's impressive, isn't it's really impressive, isn't it, it's really impressive, isn't g,_g.g- it's really impressive, isn't it,-that much. it, to extract that much money for absolutely— it, to extract that much money for absolutely nothing. you know.— for absolutely nothing. you. onon—nioyon. know, don't blame the player. niono— know, don't blame the player. oono—nos.- know, don't blame the player. blame_yes.idon't| blame the game. yes. i don't know. — blame the game. yes. i don't know. loan— blame the game. yes. i don't know. imean, those- blame the game. yes. i don't know. aii; know. i mean, those are incredible rules because, i mean, places you get some mean, most places you get some sick and then statutory sick pay and then it's statutory sick pay and then it's statutory sick then you're left to sick pay and then you're left to die. i mean, as die. yeah, exactly. i mean, as somebody who comes from a nation thatis somebody who comes from a nation that is famously work shy, leo, there's got to be a part of you that admires britain. well, scotland, scotland . oh, you're scotland, scotland. oh, you're talking about me. i thought you were talking about your venezuelan heritage, man . venezuelan heritage, man. disappointing. at least we're not through the bins in not going through the bins in scotland. france give him water. give him five years under humza, mate . that's a fair point. mate. that's a fair point. i mean, scotland is basically venezuela with worse weather. yeah, but i mean, this. this do you think he's right to ask for

a raise when he's not actually done anything? i think he's you know, when you get away with something and you think i wonder how much more i can get away with like you've somehow managed to get backstage at the rolling stones concert you think, stones concert and you think, oh, if i can pretend oh, i wonder if i can pretend i'm band and you just i'm in the band and you just keep to see what keep keep pushing to see what you get. ithink keep keep pushing to see what you get. i think it's you can get. i think it's extraordinary,- you can get. i think it's extraordinary, but- iia grip i think it's extraordinary, but we don't know nnai— extraordinary, but we don't know that nos— extraordinary, but we don't know that no-s oin— extraordinary, but we don't know what he's off sick— extraordinary, but we don't know what he's off sick with. so, you know.— what he's off sick with. so, you know. is— what he's off sick with. so, you know. is i— what he's off sick with. so, you know, is it something that ibm iiio — know, is it something that ibm iiio lion-i— know, is it something that ibm did? .don't know. - know, is it something that ibm did? cc?" i yeah, that did? we don't know. yeah, that is-voan.— did? we don't know. yeah, that is-voan. inat— did? we don't know. yeah, that is-yeah. that-very- is true. yeah. that is very inno— is true. yeah. that is very too so— is true. yeah. that is very true. so maybe- is true. yeah. that is very true. so maybe all we know is inat— true. so maybe all we know is that-probably— true. so maybe all we know is that probably member of that he's probably a member of the that he's probably a member of ino-iany.— that he's probably a member of the party, probably the labour party, probably nanning— the labour party, probably. running—final running it. anyway, our final gaosiion— running it. anyway, our final question moment running it. anyway, our final- question-momentlfrom question for the moment is from cainonino. — question for the moment is from catherine. anne.— question for the moment is from catherine. anne. catherine. noiio — catherine. anne. catherine. - noiio —oiono hello has shakespeare's globe taken trigger warnings too far? has shakespeare's globe taken iniggon— has shakespeare's globe taken iniggon wannings— has shakespeare's globe taken trigger warnings too far? and anis— trigger warnings too far? and inis is— trigger warnings too far? and this is about— trigger warnings too far? and this is about an— trigger warnings too far? and this is about an actor with inaniisn— this is about an actor with dwarfish ism— this is about an actor with dwarfish ism who's triggered aiioisn — dwarfish ism who's triggered ableism warnings for a midsummer's night dream. shakespeare's— midsummer's night dream. shakespeare's globe, which has noon— shakespeare's globe, which has noon anion— shakespeare's globe, which has been added to— shakespeare's globe, which has been added to an— shakespeare's globe, which has been added to an earlier warning of been added to an earlier warning oi vioionoo— been added to an earlier warning oi vioionoo .— been added to an earlier warning of violence , sexual— been added to an earlier warning of violence , sexual references, of violence, sexual references, misogyny—

of violence, sexual references, misogyny ani— of violence, sexual references, misogyny and racism. after oasiing— misogyny and racism. after oasiing ino— misogyny and racism. after casting the role— misogyny and racism. after casting the role of hermia, the mono— casting the role of hermia, the oioio nas— casting the role of hermia, the globe has updated their content gaiianoo— globe has updated their content gaiianoo io— globe has updated their content guidance to include ableism iosoniiing— guidance to include ableism describing inaction or prejudice against— describing inaction or prejudice against ooopio— describing inaction or prejudice against people with disabilities as im— against people with disabilities as but claimed— against people with disabilities as but claimed shakespeare's snipi— as but claimed shakespeare's sonipi only— as but claimed shakespeare's script only became ableist when francesca mills— script only became ableist when francesca mills ,_ script only became ableist when francesca mills , an actor with francesca mills, an actor with achondroplasia _ francesca mills, an actor with achondroplasia ,_ francesca mills, an actor with achondroplasia , was cast in achondroplasia, was cast in manon— achondroplasia, was cast in iianon as— achondroplasia, was cast in march as the _ achondroplasia, was cast in march as the young athenian woman, hermia— march as the young athenian woman, hermia we've spoken to her woman, hermia we've spoken to non ani— woman, hermia we've spoken to non ani sno-s— woman, hermia we've spoken to her and she's grumpy . do you get her and she's grumpy. do you get it? her and she's grumpy. do you get no — her and she's grumpy. do you get no i— her and she's grumpy. do you get no i as— her and she's grumpy. do you get no i as goi— her and she's grumpy. do you get no i is get i.— her and she's grumpy. do you get it? i do get it, mate. - it? i do get it, mate. absolutely. i- it? i do get it, mate. absolutely. i was- it? iiiii iii; i absolutely. i was expecting a iiggon— absolutely. i was expecting a niggon nign— absolutely. i was expecting a bigger laugh. no, she's not. sno-s— bigger laugh. no, she's not. she's actually— bigger laugh. no, she's not. i iii 33 she she's actually delighted. she always wanted to play i iii 33 she always wanted to play this i iiiix 3: she always wanted to play this part. sno— always wanted to play this part. sno wanton— always wanted to play this part. she wanted to— always wanted to play this part. she wanted to perform at the oioio — she wanted to perform at the oioio ani— she wanted to perform at the globe and she's— she wanted to perform at the globe and she's delighted. but it globe and she's delighted. but i ooms— globe and she's delighted. but i a— globe and she's delighted. but it seems a little— globe and she's delighted. but it seems a little it's almost insaiiing— it seems a little it's almost insulting-the— it seems a little it's almost insulting the globe to say insulting of the globe to say mai— insulting of the globe to say inai .— insulting of the globe to say inai . mann— insulting of the globe to say that . warn people that there's that. warn people that there's a in ino— that. warn people that there's a in to day.— that. warn people that there's a in the play. well,— that. warn people that there's a in the play. well, look what they— in the play. well, look what no iii— in the play. well, look what inoy iii is— in the play. well, look what they did is they— in the play. well, look what they did is they say cast this actress. now,— they did is they say cast this actress. now, i'm— they did is they say cast this actress. now, i'm sure she's oon— actress. now, i'm sure she's very good.— actress. now, i'm sure she's very good. nai— actress. now, i'm sure she's very good. but then they've cast her very good. but then they've cast non in— very good. but then they've cast non in ino— very good. but then they've cast her in the role— very good. but then they've cast her in the role and— very good. but then they've cast her in the role and then she gois— her in the role and then she gois ioais— her in the role and then she gets loads of— her in the role and then she gets loads of insults told at non— gets loads of insults told at non anom— gets loads of insults told at her about her— gets loads of insults told at her about her size in the songs— her about her size in the sonipa. noi— her about her size in the sonipa. not no— her about her size in the script, not by the script. by ino— script, not by the script. by the audience?— script, not by the script. by the audience? no. yeah. no, not

by ino— the audience? no. yeah. no, not by the audience.— the audience? no. yeah. no, not by the audience. right. however, onion— by the audience. right. however, onion is— by the audience. right. however, onion is tini— by the audience. right. however, which is kind of— by the audience. right. however, which is kind of like inviting a vogan— which is kind of like inviting a vogan into— which is kind of like inviting a vogan no a— which is kind of like inviting a vegan into a steak restaurant. oom.— vegan into a steak restaurant. voan. ani— vegan into a steak restaurant. yeah. and then— vegan into a steak restaurant. yeah. and then when they start crying— yeah. and then when they start crying going-— yeah. and then when they start crying going. that's right. have some more fillet— crying going. that's right. have some more fillet mignon. do you mon— some more fillet mignon. do you know vinai— some more fillet mignon. do you know wnai i— some more fillet mignon. do you know what i mean?— some more fillet mignon. do you know what i mean? this is a goat— know what i mean? this is a gnoai iioa— know what i mean? this is a great idea, francis. it's a hell of great idea, francis. it's a hell oi a— great idea, francis. it's a hell oi a gamo— great idea, francis. it's a hell of a game show.— great idea, francis. it's a hell of a game show. yeah, well , great idea, francis. it's a hell of a game show. yeah, well, i ion-i— of a game show. yeah, well, i ion-i iiko— of a game show. yeah, well, i don't like trigger— of a game show. yeah, well, i don't like trigger warnings. inki— don't like trigger warnings. iaii stop— don't like trigger warnings. tait stop .— don't like trigger warnings. tait stop . i— don't like trigger warnings. full stop . i mean,- don't like trigger warnings. full stop. i mean, surely the fun of going to see shakespeare is that you're going to be horrified whatever. well, my horrified or whatever. well, my first with first experience with shakespeare school we shakespeare was at school. we were school a were at primary school and a theatre company did theatre company came and did macbeth with us. and it was brilliant. you know, we were kids. we wanted to be scared by witches and violence and all that i'm not fan of that stuff. so i'm not a fan of the trigger warnings at all. i think they should get rid of all of them. mean, for grown of them. i mean, it's for grown ups. shakespeare. were you ups. it's shakespeare. were you expecting? yeah, absolutely. i sowitn-t—tol couldn't agree more. and do you tnink— couldn't agree more. and do you tnink-nisk— couldn't agree more. and do you think-risk that- think there's a risk that potitioai— think there's a risk that political correctness is actually— political correctness is actually driving people with witn—owt- actually driving people with witn—owt oi- actually driving people with. with _out of there's with disabilities out of there's a-it— with disabilities out of there's a-it-tniwo- with disabilities out of there's a-it-drive people. with disabilities out of there's a it drive people out a risk it could drive people out of a risk it could drive people out oi—i— a risk it could drive people out oi—i moan- a risk it could drive people out oi—i i- a risk it could drive people out of_| mean, i know,j of performing. i mean, i know, you— of performing. i mean, i know, you know.— of performing. i mean, i know, you know, dwarves_ of performing. i mean, i know, you know, dwarves . there used to you know, dwarves. there used to be you know, dwarves. there used to to an— you know, dwarves. there used to to an intwstnw— you know, dwarves. there used to be an industry of— you know, dwarves. there used to be an industry of dwarves appoaning—

be an industry of dwarves appoaning in— be an industry of dwarves appearing in pantomimes and now tnat-s— appearing in pantomimes and now was not— appearing in pantomimes and now was not soon— appearing in pantomimes and now that's not seen as— appearing in pantomimes and now that's not seen as politically not— that's not seen as politically correct anymore. _ that's not seen as politically correct anymore. so but it's oiwioasiw— correct anymore. so but it's otwiowstw. vou— correct anymore. so but it's obviously, you know, probably inn— obviously, you know, probably more fun than— obviously, you know, probably more fun than stack and shelves. ant— more fun than stack and shelves. ant aiso— more fun than stack and shelves. ant aiso tnow— more fun than stack and shelves. and also they can't— more fun than stack and shelves. and also they can't reach the snoiwos. — and also they can't reach the snoiwos. so — and also they can't reach the shelves. so it's— and also they can't reach the shelves. so it's not used to mom — shelves. so it's not used to mom anyway.— shelves. so it's not used to them anyway. well thanks for inat— them anyway. well thanks for ma ono— them anyway. well thanks for that one, leah. _ them anyway. well thanks for that one, leah. i— them anyway. well thanks for that one, leah. i don't quite know— that one, leah. i don't quite know wnat— that one, leah. i don't quite know what i'm— that one, leah. i don't quite know what i'm going to say to inat— know what i'm going to say to tnat. iat— know what i'm going to say to tnat. tat it— know what i'm going to say to that, but it makes— know what i'm going to say to that, but it makes me think atoni— that, but it makes me think about ino— that, but it makes me think about the whole— that, but it makes me think about the whole thing, about tniggon— about the whole thing, about trigger warnings. it's just nmon— trigger warnings. it's just number one,— trigger warnings. it's just number one, it's patronising nmon— number one, it's patronising nmoi two.— number one, it's patronising number two, has anybody really ever been triggered by a pnotwotion— ever been triggered by a production of— ever been triggered by a production of a midsummer wignt-s— production of a midsummer night's dream?— production of a midsummer night's dream? yeah maybe you've noon— night's dream? yeah maybe you've ioon ionot— night's dream? yeah maybe you've ioon ionot tw— night's dream? yeah maybe you've been bored by it.— night's dream? yeah maybe you've been bored by it. yeah but wow-wo— been bored by it. yeah but you've never come out of it going.— you've never come out of it going. on.— you've never come out of it going. on. my— you've never come out of it going, oh, my god, i can never iwnotion— going, oh, my god, i can never function again— going, oh, my god, i can never function again in— going, oh, my god, i can never function again in society . you function again in society. you noot— function again in society. you noot to— function again in society. you noot to moot— function again in society. you need to meet somebody under the age need to meet somebody under the ago oi— need to meet somebody under the ago oi oi.— need to meet somebody under the age of 35. francis— need to meet somebody under the age of 35. francis that is okaotiw— age of 35. francis that is exactly what _ age of 35. francis that is exactly what they're like. how is iti — exactly what they're like. how is iti i— exactly what they're like. how is iti i witt— exactly what they're like. how is it? i will tell— exactly what they're like. how is it? i will tell you- exactly what they're like. how is it? x is it? i will tell you a story. it's a little bit risque.- is it? x it's a little bit risque. there a oomotw— it's a little bit risque. there was a comedy night, and this is the was a comedy night, and this is to mam— was a comedy night, and this is the main reason— was a comedy night, and this is the main reason i— was a comedy night, and this is the main reason i trigger wannsg— the main reason i trigger warnings. there was a comedy nignt— warnings. there was a comedy nignt oaiiot— warnings. there was a comedy night called trigger warning a few night called trigger warning a tow-ago— night called trigger warning a tow-ago in— night called trigger warning a few ago in edinburgh, and few years ago in edinburgh, and the few years ago in edinburgh, and to pnomoton— few years ago in edinburgh, and the promoter was— few years ago in edinburgh, and the promoter was had at few years ago in edinburgh, and the promoter was had a t shirt oatiot— the promoter was had a t shirt oattot tniggon— the promoter was had a t shirt called trigger warning to pnomoto— called trigger warning to promote the— called trigger warning to promote the show. yeah, there onw— promote the show. yeah, there

oniw ono— promote the show. yeah, there was only one problem. he was woaning— was only one problem. he was woaning a— was only one problem. he was wearing a shirt— was only one problem. he was wearing a shirt over it, so it nat— wearing a shirt over it, so it tag it— wearing a shirt over it, so it tag it nit— wearing a shirt over it, so it had it hit the— wearing a shirt over it, so it had it hit the t— wearing a shirt over it, so it had it hit the t in the r. oh so— had it hit the t in the r. oh so no— had it hit the t in the r. oh no. so he looked- had it hit the t in the r. oh no. so he looked like he was going— no. so he looked like he was going nonna— no. so he looked like he was going round and— no. so he looked like he was going round and being very problematic.— going round and being very problematic. yeah. yeah yeah. okay— problematic. yeah. yeah yeah. okay oin— problematic. yeah. yeah yeah. okay own noxi— problematic. yeah. yeah yeah. okay our next question is from gb okay our next question is from on viows. — okay our next question is from on viows. ityan— okay our next question is from gb views. ryan says , why does gb views. ryan says, why does liz gb views. ryan says, why does its inwss— gb views. ryan says, why does liz truss want— gb views. ryan says, why does liz truss want to— gb views. ryan says, why does liz truss want to destroy nnitain— liz truss want to destroy initain i— liz truss want to destroy britain ? so _ liz truss want to destroy britain ? so i— liz truss want to destroy britain ? so i think what she's britain? so i think what she's taiking— britain? so i think what she's talking about— britain? so i think what she's talking about here is liz truss wants— talking about here is liz truss wants iik— talking about here is liz truss wants uk hard— talking about here is liz truss wants uk hard power to bolster iaiwan— wants uk hard power to bolster taiwan against— wants uk hard power to bolster taiwan against china's threat. so taiwan against china's threat. so ino— taiwan against china's threat. so the former— taiwan against china's threat. so the former pm, well she was pm so the former pm, well she was iii ion— so the former pm, well she was iii ion atoni— so the former pm, well she was pm for about three— so the former pm, well she was pm for about three minutes. sno-s— pm for about three minutes. she's expected— pm for about three minutes. she's expected to say that if ino— she's expected to say that if to wost— she's expected to say that if the west wants— she's expected to say that if the west wants to avoid war in the west wants to avoid war in to soatn — the west wants to avoid war in the south china— the west wants to avoid war in the south china sea , it must get the south china sea, it must get noai— the south china sea, it must get noai atoni— the south china sea, it must get real about military— the south china sea, it must get real about military cooperation. a real about military cooperation. k pnominont— real about military cooperation. a prominent china hawk, when she sowot— a prominent china hawk, when she sowot as— a prominent china hawk, when she sowot as immo— a prominent china hawk, when she served as prime minister and tonoign— served as prime minister and foreign secretary, mistrust has mato— foreign secretary, mistrust has mato iaiwan— foreign secretary, mistrust has made taiwan one— foreign secretary, mistrust has made taiwan one of the key areas of made taiwan one of the key areas oi intonost— made taiwan one of the key areas oi intonost ion— made taiwan one of the key areas of interest for her— made taiwan one of the key areas of interest for her post downing stnoot— of interest for her post downing street career. _ of interest for her post downing street career. i— of interest for her post downing street career. i mean , what do street career. i mean, what do you— street career. i mean, what do you mako— street career. i mean, what do you mako oi— street career. i mean, what do you make of this— street career. i mean, what do you make of this chris skudder ? you make of this chris skudder? i you make of this chris skudder? i ton-t— you make of this chris skudder? i ton-t know— you make of this chris skudder? i don't know what— you make of this chris skudder? i don't know what to _ you make of this chris skudder? i don't know what to make- you make of this chris skudder? i don't know what to make of this. i mean, is she going to trigger more trouble or is she going to stop trouble? i'm not

sure which way. i mean, i know you've got a lot of views. if i was taiwan, i'd be very- was taiwan, i'd be very worried about— was taiwan, i'd be very worried about tis— was taiwan, i'd be very worried about liz truss— was taiwan, i'd be very worried about liz truss getting inwoiwot.— about liz truss getting involved. do- about liz truss getting involved. do you think she's. tkaotiy.— involved. do you think she's. exactly. exactly— involved. do you think she's. exactly. exactly _ involved. do you think she's. exactly. exactly hello, i'm from the government. here to the government. i'm here to help. god. do you think help. oh, my god. do you think sno-s— help. oh, my god. do you think sno-s jumping?— help. oh, my god. do you think she's jumping? put— help. oh, my god. do you think she's jumping? put her- o" (in: do you think she's jumping? put her up cit" ctitt: do you think she's jumping? put her up to tnis. — she's jumping? put her up to tnis. -gaito— she's jumping? put her up to this. -quite possibly. i she's jumping? put her up to. this. -quite possibly. oh, this. yeah, quite possibly. oh, god, cynical and so god, that's so cynical and so possible. well, yeah, maybe that best don't know. he is. best mates. i don't know. he is. he. you make a point,- best mates. i don't know. he is. he. you make a point, and- titit" c he is. he. you make a point, and all of a station— he. you make a point, and all of a sudden,-hopkins- he. you make a point, and all of a sudden, hopkins pops up a sudden, katie hopkins pops up and a sudden, katie hopkins pops up ant-on.— a sudden, katie hopkins pops up ant-on. i— a sudden, katie hopkins pops up ant-on. i agnoo— a sudden, katie hopkins pops up and oh, i agree with you. and goes, oh, i agree with you. vow-no— and goes, oh, i agree with you. vow-no iiko— and goes, oh, i agree with you. you're like, no,— and goes, oh, i agree with you. you're like, no, i— and goes, oh, i agree with you. you're like, no, i mean, like, why— you're like, no, i mean, like, wny-ano— you're like, no, i mean, like, wny-ano wo- you're like, no, i mean, like, why are we listening to why is why are we listening to liz why is why are we listening to its inwss-s— why is why are we listening to liz truss's opinion— why is why are we listening to liz truss's opinion about anytningi— liz truss's opinion about anything? genuinely , anything? well, genuinely, aotaaiiy— anything? well, genuinely, aotwaiiy. in— anything? well, genuinely, actually, in fairness to liz insss— actually, in fairness to liz inass sno— actually, in fairness to liz truss, she had— actually, in fairness to liz truss, she had 45 days in power. i truss, she had 45 days in power. i know— truss, she had 45 days in power. i know i— truss, she had 45 days in power. i know i agnoot— truss, she had 45 days in power. i know i agreed with her stance on tax. — i know i agreed with her stance on tax. wo— i know i agreed with her stance on tax. we need— i know i agreed with her stance on tax. we need lower taxes. but wnat— on tax. we need lower taxes. but wnat sno— on tax. we need lower taxes. but what she didn't— on tax. we need lower taxes. but what she didn't do— on tax. we need lower taxes. but what she didn't do was announce a natt— what she didn't do was announce a nait oi— what she didn't do was announce a raft of public— what she didn't do was announce a raft of public sector cost oatting— a raft of public sector cost oatting to— a raft of public sector cost oatting to pay— a raft of public sector cost cutting to pay for the tax cuts, wnion— cutting to pay for the tax cuts, wnion was— cutting to pay for the tax cuts, which was her— cutting to pay for the tax cuts, which was her big— cutting to pay for the tax cuts, which was her big mistake . she which was her big mistake. she snoait— which was her big mistake. she snoait nano— which was her big mistake. she should have she— which was her big mistake. she should have she should have just gono— should have she should have just gono-yoa— should have she should have just gono-yoa know.— should have she should have just gone you know, okay, every gone like, you know, okay, every tnint—iooai- third person at a local aattonity— third person at a local authority, you don't have a job tomorrow . that— authority, you don't have a job tomorrow . that was big, authority, you don't have a job tomorrow. that was big, big tomorrow. that was a big, big mistako— tomorrow. that was a big, big mistako .— tomorrow. that was a big, big mistako . nat— tomorrow. that was a big, big mistake . but i— tomorrow. that was a big, big mistake . but i mean, i think mistake. but i mean, i think mayio— mistake. but i mean, i think mayio ino— mistake. but i mean, i think mayto tno ak— mistake. but i mean, i think maybe the uk has been bolstered by oa— maybe the uk has been bolstered by saoooss—

maybe the uk has been bolstered by our success in— maybe the uk has been bolstered by our success in supporting anamo— by our success in supporting tiknaino. koa— by our success in supporting ukraine. you know, we're iinaiiy— ukraine. you know, we're iinaity. yoa— ukraine. you know, we're finally, you know, doing all nignt— finally, you know, doing alli nignt—no right in eurovision. well, we wono-yoan. — right in eurovision. well, we were-year. not- right in eurovision. well, we were year. not anymore. so were last year. not anymore. so now we're looking,— were last year. not anymore. so now we're looking, you know, wnono— now we're looking, you know, wnono oiso— now we're looking, you know, where else can— now we're looking, you know, where else can can we have an where else can we can we have an impact— where else can we can we have an impact i— where else can we can we have an impact i noti— where else can we can we have an impact i won. t— where else can we can we have an impact? well, i-look,- where else can we can we have an impact ? well, i look, this impact? well, i mean, look, this is-noaiity— impact? well, i mean, look, this is-noaiity is.- impact? well, i mean, look, this is-noaiity is. is- impact? well, i mean, look, this is-reality is, is that. is true. the reality is, is that sitaation— is true. the reality is, is that sitaation is— is true. the reality is, is that situation is very— is true. the reality is, is that situation is very ,_ is true. the reality is, is that situation is very , very, very situation is very, very, very wonnying— situation is very, very, very worrying because as we all know, iaiwan— worrying because as we all know, iaiwan is— worrying because as we all know, iaiwan is ono— worrying because as we all know, iaiwan is oi— worrying because as we all know, taiwan is one of the— worrying because as we all know, taiwan is one of the premier makos— taiwan is one of the premier makos oi— taiwan is one of the premier makers of manufacturers of semiconductors. _ makers of manufacturers of semiconductors. i don't actually know— semiconductors. i don't actually know wnat— semiconductors. i don't actually know what semiconductors do, but annanontiy— know what semiconductors do, but apparently they're _ know what semiconductors do, but apparently they're very imnonant.— apparently they're very important. they are . they're in important. they are. they're in ononytning.— important. they are. they're in everything. yeah.— important. they are. they're in everything. yeah. so they're iiko— everything. yeah. so they're like microplastics. anyway, coming— like microplastics. anyway, ooming ap— like microplastics. anyway, ooming an on— like microplastics. anyway, coming up on free speech nation .wo-ii— coming up on free speech nation now to— coming up on free speech nation , we'll be talking— coming up on free speech nation , we'll be talking to a harvard nnoiosson— , we'll be talking to a harvard professor about— , we'll be talking to a harvard professor about how academics are professor about how academics iignting— professor about how academics are fighting back— professor about how academics are fighting back to ensure free snooon — are fighting back to ensure free spooon noign— are fighting back to ensure free speech reign supreme on aninonsity— speech reign supreme on university campuses. see you .

over the time is actually people care more about— over the time is actually people care more about my actions and the care more about my actions and to man— care more about my actions and to i— care more about my actions and to i am— care more about my actions and the man i am today than what i did the man i am today than what i iii 15,— the man i am today than what i iii 15, zo— the man i am today than what i did 15, 20 years— the man i am today than what i did 15, 20 years ago. ”ti; did 15, 20 years ago. life tie— did 15, 20 years ago. life across the uk.— did 15, 20 years ago. life across the uk. this is gb news radio . radio. . iwelcome radio. - iwelcome back tatio. — l welcome back to tatio. — . welcome back to free radio.

welcome back to free speech . welcome back to free speech wation. — . welcome back to free speech wation. witn— . welcome back to free speech nation. with me,— . welcome back to free speech nation. with me, leo— welcome back to free speech nation. mn nation. with me, leo kearse. now the strangling of free speech in universities across this country is something we talk about a lot on this program. it's no surprise it's happening overseas too. but did you know academie mics at none other than harvard university are trying to turn the tide? so how exactly are they going about it? john stone, family professor of psychology at harvard university. steve pinker , joins us from pinker, joins us from massachusetts . steve, thanks for massachusetts. steve, thanks for joining us. thank you for having me. and tell us about what yoa— me. and tell us about what yoa toing— me. and tell us about what you're doing at— and tell us about what you're doing at harvard . ' gtix. you're doing at harvard. a group of you're doing at harvard. a group at iaoaity— you're doing at harvard. a group of faculty have— you're doing at harvard. a group of faculty have formed a council that has no official status, but we have banded together so that to make free speech a thing that is to have one constituency that actually is saying that it's a good thing. there's a huge institution— good thing. there's a huge institution sized— g: 3 there's a huge institution sized bureaucracy of aoi— institution sized bureaucracy of a oi tiwonsity— institution sized bureaucracy of a of diversity and— institution sized bureaucracy of a of diversity and inclusion and toionging— a of diversity and inclusion and toionging inat— a of diversity and inclusion and belonging that seems to have no nantioaian— belonging that seems to have no particular concern— belonging that seems to have no

particular concern for academic inootom— particular concern for academic inootom. wo— particular concern for academic freedom. we thought that there snoait — freedom. we thought that there snoait to — freedom. we thought that there should be some— freedom. we thought that there should be some entity that away— should be some entity that actually stands— should be some entity that actually stands up for it . we actually stands up for it. we aiso— actually stands up for it. we aiso pian— actually stands up for it. we aiso nian to— actually stands up for it. we also plan to push back when a group— also plan to push back when a goat oi— also plan to push back when a group of activists— also plan to push back when a group of activists are screaming into— group of activists are screaming into ino— group of activists are screaming into to oan— group of activists are screaming into the ear of— group of activists are screaming into the ear of some dean or nnowost— into the ear of some dean or nnonost on— into the ear of some dean or provost or president and they're natio— provost or president and they're iiaiio to— provost or president and they're iiaiio to to— provost or president and they're liable to do the— provost or president and they're liable to do the easy thing, mako— liable to do the easy thing, mako ino— liable to do the easy thing, make the problem go away by just tisponsing— make the problem go away by just tisnonsing somo— make the problem go away by just dispensing some verbiage that makos— dispensing some verbiage that makos tnom— dispensing some verbiage that makes them feel— dispensing some verbiage that makes them feel good or to fire a nonson— makes them feel good or to fire a nonson wno— makes them feel good or to fire a person who said— makes them feel good or to fire a person who said something oiionsino— a person who said something offensive will— a person who said something offensive will be, i don't want to say— offensive will be, i don't want to say woo— offensive will be, i don't want to say we're going to be soamng— to say we're going to be screaming into the other ear, iat— screaming into the other ear, tat woo— screaming into the other ear, tat going— screaming into the other ear, but we're going to be speaking ionooiaiiy— but we're going to be speaking forcefully into— but we're going to be speaking forcefully into the other ear so inat— forcefully into the other ear so tnat tnoy-ii— forcefully into the other ear so that they'll have— forcefully into the other ear so that they'll have to do the noasomng— that they'll have to do the- noasoning—iast reasoning thing instead of just the reasoning thing instead of just tno-tning. — reasoning thing instead of justi the-thing. -yeah. the easiest thing. right? yeah. and do you believe there's and why do you believe there's a need for such an organisation ? need for such an organisation? an is the situation really so bad it's pretty bad majority bad and it's pretty bad majority of or almost a majority of our students feel that they can't say what they believe at a university. that's a real inootom— university. that's a real problem because- i " qt that's a real problem because it's all about okamining— problem because it's all about examining beliefs, stating tnings— examining beliefs, stating tnings ant— examining beliefs, stating things and showing whether they are things and showing whether they tnao— things and showing whether they are true or false— things and showing whether they are true or false because no one is iniaiiiiio. — are true or false because no one is infallible. no— are true or false because no one is infallible. no one's omniscient.- is infallible. no one's omniscient. the only way we can tint—

omniscient. the only way we can iint oat— omniscient. the only way we can find out what's— omniscient. the only way we can find out what's true— omniscient. the only way we can find out what's true or false is to say— find out what's true or false is to say something— find out what's true or false is to say something and then onaiaato— to say something and then evaluate it.— to say something and then evaluate it. you- to say something and then evaluate it. you might be wrong . onso.— evaluate it. you might be wrong . kiso. it— evaluate it. you might be wrong . kiso. it tast— evaluate it. you might be wrong . also, it just saps_ evaluate it. you might be wrong . also, it just saps the entire onotiiiiity— . also, it just saps the entire credibility of— . also, it just saps the entire credibility of the— . also, it just saps the entire credibility of the university ant— credibility of the university ant tno — credibility of the university and the academic enterprise . as and the academic enterprise. as two— and the academic enterprise. as to tott— and the academic enterprise. as no toit noopto— and the academic enterprise. as i've told people say, when it to— i've told people say, when it comes to climate— i've told people say, when it comes to climate change, look, tnono-s— comes to climate change, look, tnono-s an— comes to climate change, look, there's an enormous consensus among— there's an enormous consensus among scientists— there's an enormous consensus among scientists that human activity— among scientists that human activity is— among scientists that human activity is warming the planet. ant— activity is warming the planet. ant tnoy— activity is warming the planet. knt tnoy say.— activity is warming the planet. and they say, well , what and they say, well, what difference _ and they say, well, what difference does it make if tnono-s— difference does it make if there's consensus? everyone knows— there's consensus? everyone knowstnat— there's consensus? everyone knows that if— there's consensus? everyone knows that if you disagree from the consensus,— knows that if you disagree from the consensus, you— knows that if you disagree from the consensus, you get cancelled.— the consensus, you get cancelled. so- the consensus, you get cancelled. so why should we take the-consensus- the scientific consensus sonioasiyi— the scientific consensus seriously? this the scientific consensus- seriously?-this case, seriously? now, in this case, i tnink— seriously? now, in this case, i think-scientific- seriously? now, in this case, i think scientific consensus think the scientific consensus nations—nowi think the scientific consensus. nations—now to happens to be true. but how do we happens to be true. but how do no mako— happens to be true. but how do no mako inat— happens to be true. but how do we make that case— happens to be true. but how do we make that case if the public nigntiy— we make that case if the public nigntiy-tnat— we make that case if the public nigntiy-tnat any- rightly believes that any onitioism — rightly believes that any criticism will— rightly believes that any criticism will be squelched? so it's criticism will be squelched? so its noaiiy— criticism will be squelched? so it's really safeguard adding the mito— it's really safeguard adding the entire academic,— it's really safeguard adding the entire academic, the credibility of entire academic, the credibility oi tno— entire academic, the credibility of the enterprise— entire academic, the credibility of the enterprise and the intognity— of the enterprise and the intognity oi— of the enterprise and the integrity of the enterprise, iooaaso— integrity of the enterprise, iooaaso yoa — integrity of the enterprise, because you can't figure out wnat-s— because you can't figure out was two— because you can't figure out what's true and— because you can't figure out what's true and what's false anosis— what's true and what's false mosis yoa— what's true and what's false mosts yoa say— what's true and what's false unless you say things so they io— unless you say things so they can be evaluated— unless you say things so they can be evaluated . ' g unless you say things so they can be evaluated . ' y; . 3 can be evaluated. amazing. and i was shocked by by some of the statistics. i mean, between 2014 and 2022. so in just eight years, there were 877 attempts

to punish scholars errors in american university that you logged. the resulted in 156 firings, which is more than under the mccarthy witch hunts . under the mccarthy witch hunts. i mean, these are incredible numbers. these are livelihoods being destroyed . erg these are being destroyed. erg these are livelihoods being destroyed. and this is a distortion of our understanding— and this is a distortion of our understanding of— and this is a distortion of our understanding of the truth. the motto— understanding of the truth. the motto oi— understanding of the truth. the motto oi my— understanding of the truth. the motto of my employer is veritas inatn. — motto of my employer is veritas inatn. wo-no— motto of my employer is veritas truth. we're kind— motto of my employer is veritas truth. we're kind of in the twin— truth. we're kind of in the truth business.— truth. we're kind of in the truth business. not that we have the truth business. not that we have tno-iat— truth business. not that we have tno-iat wo— truth business. not that we have the - but we have - truth business. not that we have the-but we have a- truth business. not that we have the but we have a means the truth, but we have a means to iigano— the truth, but we have a means to iigano oat— the truth, but we have a means to figure out the— the truth, but we have a means to figure out the truth, namely to figure out the truth, namely to toiato— to figure out the truth, namely to toiato. to— to figure out the truth, namely to debate, to argue , to hold to debate, to argue, to hold tnings— to debate, to argue, to hold tnings-to— to debate, to argue, to hold things-to the— to debate, to argue, to hold things to the standards of things up to the standards of onionoot — things up to the standards of onionoot ii— things up to the standards of evidence. if there's some things inat— evidence. if there's some things tnat-oan-t— evidence. if there's some things that-can't-we're. that you just can't say, we're gaanantoot— that you just can't say, we're guaranteed-be— that you just can't say, we're guaranteed be locked into guaranteed to be locked into onnon—tol guaranteed to be locked into. onnon—to gino error, we're guaranteed to give the error, we're guaranteed to give to wnong— error, we're guaranteed to give the wrong advice— error, we're guaranteed to give the wrong advice on how to nonto— the wrong advice on how to oaoto oimo— the wrong advice on how to reduce crime, how to reduce inogaaiity— reduce crime, how to reduce inequality motty, how to fight nantomios— inequality motty, how to fight nantomios .— inequality motty, how to fight pandemics . there has to be an pandemics. there has to be an aiiiity— pandemics. there has to be an aiiiity to— pandemics. there has to be an atitity to got— pandemics. there has to be an ability to get ideas out there so inat— ability to get ideas out there so tnat tno— ability to get ideas out there so that the entire community can sonatiniso— so that the entire community can scrutinise them— so that the entire community can scrutinise them . _ so that the entire community can scrutinise them . ' t: so that the entire community can scrutinise them . ' vi: so that the entire community can scrutinise them . ' v: scrutinise them. and what's the reaction? so far from other colleagues and from the students themselves ? the hard to tell themselves? the hard to tell iooaaso— themselves? the hard to tell

because we haven't- 7 the hard to tell because we haven't done a poll . because we haven't done a poll. ono— because we haven't done a poll. ono noaotion— because we haven't done a poll. one reaction is— because we haven't done a poll. one reaction is the— because we haven't done a poll. one reaction is the fact that we nanon-t— one reaction is the fact that we nanon-t noon— one reaction is the fact that we haven't been joined by the ontino— haven't been joined by the entire faculty— haven't been joined by the entire faculty ,_ haven't been joined by the entire faculty , but might say entire faculty, but might say somotning— entire faculty, but might say somotning a— entire faculty, but might say something a little bit discouraging . but but as soon as discouraging. but but as soon as it was— discouraging. but but as soon as it was announced,— discouraging. but but as soon as it was announced, we did get a lot it was announced, we did get a tot oi— it was announced, we did get a lot of colleagues— it was announced, we did get a lot of colleagues joining and a lot of colleagues joining and a tot oi— lot of colleagues joining and a tot oi pebble— lot of colleagues joining and a lot of people at— lot of colleagues joining and a lot of people at other universities- lot of people at other universities saying that's a noaiiy— universities saying that's a noatiy goot— universities saying that's a really good idea. i think we're going— really good idea. i think we're going to— really good idea. i think we're going tolit— really good idea. i think we're going tolit at— really good idea. i think we're going to.it at our- going to try it at our university. - going to try it at our university. students are tattoo.— university. students are divided. there was a an opinion niooo— divided. there was a an opinion niooo in— divided. there was a an opinion piooo in tno— divided. there was a an opinion piece in the crimson, the campus nowsnanon— piece in the crimson, the campus nowsoapon inat— piece in the crimson, the campus newspaper that was— piece in the crimson, the campus newspaper that was kind of wrung tnoin— newspaper that was kind of wrung tnoin nanos— newspaper that was kind of wrung their hands and— newspaper that was kind of wrung their hands and grimaced about it witnoat— their hands and grimaced about it without really— their hands and grimaced about it without really coming up with any angamonts— it without really coming up with any arguments against it. but tnon— any arguments against it. but tnon tnono— any arguments against it. but then there was— any arguments against it. but then there was a— any arguments against it. but then there was a counter otitoniai— then there was a counter editorial by— then there was a counter editorial by a— then there was a counter editorial by a minority of the otitoniai— editorial by a minority of the editorial board— editorial by a minority of the editorial board saying, yes, stok— editorial board saying, yes, we're sick of— editorial board saying, yes, we're sick of older people toting— we're sick of older people toiting as— we're sick of older people telling us what- we're sick of older people telling us what we can say and wnat— telling us what we can say and wnat wo— telling us what we can say and wnat wo oan-t— telling us what we can say and what we can't say. _ telling us what we can say and what we can't say. i'm hoping inat— what we can't say. i'm hoping tnat it— what we can't say. i'm hoping that it-revive_ what we can't say. i'm hoping that it revive some of the that it can revive some of the saint— that it can revive some of the sninitltno— that it can revive some of the spirit-the 60s— that it can revive some of the spirit-the 60s and- that it can revive some of the spirit the 60s and 70s when spirit of the 60s and 70s when it was— spirit of the 60s and 70s when it was-tno— spirit of the 60s and 70s when it was -the campus- spirit of the 60s and 70s when it was the campus left it was actually the campus left inat— it was actually the campus left tnat was— it was actually the campus left tnat tno— it was actually the campus left that was the strongest advocates for that was the strongest advocates ion inoo — that was the strongest advocates for free speech. _ that was the strongest advocates for free speech. tv4i;ia�* v�* for free speech. yeah, i mean, that's that's what surprised me is how the left who in the is how it's the left who in the 80s campaigning 80s were campaigning for seditious works of art to be shown in galleries and you know, controversial plays to be

staged. and now they've flipped andifs staged. and now they've flipped and it's right trying to and it's the right trying to support support the freedoms you think there's a danger in some of the techniques that the right are using to try and push back against this censorship? yeah. i think so. there are efforts in statos— think so. there are efforts in some states to _ there are efforts in some states to actually pass togisiation— some states to actually pass legislation on— some states to actually pass legislation on what you can't say,— legislation on what you can't say. ant— legislation on what you can't say. ant tnat-s— legislation on what you can't say, and that's kind of missing the say, and that's kind of missing in point. — say, and that's kind of missing in point. ino— say, and that's kind of missing the point. the idea is not that won— the point. the idea is not that tnono ooait— the point. the idea is not that there could be— the point. the idea is not that there could be laws that you oan-t— there could be laws that you oan-t say— there could be laws that you can't say such— there could be laws that you can't say such and such. there snoait— can't say such and such. there snoait io— can't say such and such. there should be laws— can't say such and such. there should be laws saying you can say— should be laws saying you can say anytning— should be laws saying you can say anytning as— should be laws saying you can say anything as long as it's not iiioiioas— say anything as long as it's not libellouslextortion- say anything as long as it's not libellous extortion or or libellous or extortion or or defamation— libellous or extortion or or defamation .— libellous or extortion or or defamation . but but, but defamation. but but, but potitioians— defamation. but but, but politicians will be tempted . to politicians will be tempted. to put politicians will be tempted. to oat a— politicians will be tempted. to oat a tnami— politicians will be tempted. to put a thumb on— politicians will be tempted. to put a thumb on the scale which is not— put a thumb on the scale which is not going— put a thumb on the scale which is not going to— put a thumb on the scale which is not going to help because tnoy-no— is not going to help because tnoy-no tast— is not going to help because they're just going to introduce tistontions— they're just going to introduce distortions from _ they're just going to introduce distortions from the other side. ant— distortions from the other side. ant woo— distortions from the other side. and we're we're— distortions from the other side. and we're we're mindful of not ioing— and we're we're mindful of not ioing onon— and we're we're mindful of not being even though a lot of the tnnoats— being even though a lot of the threats-free— being even though a lot of the threats free speech come from threats to free speech come from the threats to free speech come from tno—tnom. - threats to free speech come from tno—tnom. andl the left. not all of them. and tno— the left. not all of them. and tno-is— the left. not all of them. and tno-is not— the left. not all of them. and the-is not for— the left. not all of them. and the-is not for this- the left. not all of them. and the is not for this to be the idea is not for this to be a nignt— the idea is not for this to be a nignt wing— the idea is not for this to be a right wing organisation pushing iaok— right wing organisation pushing iaok. oaito— right wing organisation pushing back. quite the— right wing organisation pushing back. quite the contrary. we are a-oi— back. quite the contrary. we are a-of professors,- back. quite the contrary. we are a-of professors, so- back. quite the contrary. we are a of professors, so do a bunch of professors, so we do tonoi— a bunch of professors, so we do tont to— a bunch of professors, so we do tont to-to— a bunch of professors, so we do tend to -to the _ a bunch of professors, so we do tend to-to the left- a bunch of professors, so we do tend to to the left the tend to lean to the left in the inst— tend to lean to the left in the iinst niaoo— tend to lean to the left in the first place, but— tend to lean to the left in the

first place, but that's beside tno— first place, but that's beside to point. — first place, but that's beside the point. the— first place, but that's beside the point. the idea is that the principle— the point. the idea is that the pninoipto oi— the point. the idea is that the principle of free— the point. the idea is that the principle of free speech should not-on— principle of free speech should not-on whether- principle of free speech should. not-on whether-on not depend on whether you're on the not depend on whether you're on tno—ioit. — not depend on whether you're on the—left. that's- the right or the left. that's missing— the right or the left. that's missing-point.- the right or the left. that's missing point. point is missing the point. the point is you— missing the point. the point is yon-atto— missing the point. the point is yoa-aiio to- missing the point. the point is yoa-aiio to say- you should be able to say anytning— you should be able to say anytning as— you should be able to say anything as long as it's reasoned and- anything as long as it's reasoned and you provide onitonoo— reasoned and you provide evidence you're not evidence and you're not attaoking— evidence and you're not attacking person. but you're attacking the person. but you're okamining—iioi attacking the person. but you're. okamining—iio yoa examining the idea. yeah. do you think— examining the idea. yeah. do you think you think ever think do you think we'll ever see complete turn in the tide see a complete turn in the tide on this constant battling against of speech? i against freedom of speech? i don't think we'll see complete niotony— don't think we'll see complete wiotony tast— don't think we'll see complete victory just because i'm a osyonoiogist.— victory just because i'm a psychologist. i- victory just because i'm a psychologist. i study human ata— psychologist. i study human ata ant— psychologist. i study human nature and it's— psychologist. i study human nature and it's part of human ata— nature and it's part of human ata to— nature and it's part of human ata to tast— nature and it's part of human nature to just assume that we are we ourselves— nature to just assume that we are we ourselves are correct and ninaoas. — are we ourselves are correct and ninaoas. ant— are we ourselves are correct and virtuous. and the— are we ourselves are correct and virtuous. and the people who tisagnoo— virtuous. and the people who disagree with— virtuous. and the people who disagree with us— virtuous. and the people who disagree with us are stupid and owi— disagree with us are stupid and owii ant— disagree with us are stupid and evil and ignorant.— disagree with us are stupid and evil and ignorant. the idea that won— evil and ignorant. the idea that tnono oan— evil and ignorant. the idea that tnono io— evil and ignorant. the idea that there can be disinterested, oitootino— there can be disinterested, objective lviv_ there can be disinterested, objective lviv truth that we can all objective lviv truth that we can at wonk— objective lviv truth that we can all work together— objective lviv truth that we can all work together to try to find it. i— all work together to try to find it. i tnink— all work together to try to find it. i think that's— all work together to try to find it. i think that's a— all work together to try to find it. i think that's a great idea, iat— it. i think that's a great idea, tat its— it. i think that's a great idea, tat its a— it. i think that's a great idea, but it's a deeply— it. i think that's a great idea, but it's a deeply weird idea in naman— but it's a deeply weird idea in human history.— but it's a deeply weird idea in human history. i— but it's a deeply weird idea in human history. i mean, it's a nnotaot— human history. i mean, it's a nnotaot oi— human history. i mean, it's a product of the— human history. i mean, it's a product of the enlightenment and it's product of the enlightenment and its a— product of the enlightenment and its a oonstant— product of the enlightenment and it's a constant battle to remind poonio— it's a constant battle to remind pebble inat— it's a constant battle to remind people that that's— it's a constant battle to remind people that that's the best way to—tno — people that that's the best way to—tno tnatn- people that that's the best way to -the truth . - to determine the truth. amazing. — to determine the truth. amazing. well,- to determine the truth. amazing. well, thanks so much for us. professor forjoining us. let's professor of psychology at harvard

university, pinker . university, steven pinker. thank you. good luck with your mission. thank— thank you. good luck with your mission. thank you . v“; mission. thank you. let's bring in my— mission. thank you. let's bring in my esteemed panel now. krista, why do you think we're seeing such a push against free speech and free inquiry at universities? maybe because people getting away with it. people are getting away with it. kyiv , kyiv these these horrible, nioiont— kyiv these these horrible, violent protests, don't we, when somoioty— violent protests, don't we, when somebody tries— violent protests, don't we, when somebody tries to _ violent protests, don't we, when somebody tries to say something inat— somebody tries to say something tnat somoioty— somebody tries to say something that somebody else doesn't like, wnion— that somebody else doesn't like, wnion i— that somebody else doesn't like, wnion i moan— that somebody else doesn't like, which i mean, when i went to aninonsity— which i mean, when i went to aniwonsity. wo — which i mean, when i went to university, we were allowed to kiok— university, we were allowed to kiok-into — university, we were allowed to kick-into ldark- university, we were allowed to kick into dark corner, kick ideas into a dark corner, see where they— kick ideas into a dark corner, see where they went. nobody. it titn-t— see where they went. nobody. it giant-ant— see where they went. nobody. it didn't-and-time,| didn't matter. and in that time, smoo— didn't matter. and in that time, its— didn't matter. and in that time, since it's things— didn't matter. and in that time, since it's things seem to have didn't matter. and in that time, sinca it's things seem to have didn't matter. and in that time, sinca it's mores seem to have didn't matter. and in that time, sinca it's more sensitive, have got a lot more sensitive, oanioaianiy— got a lot more sensitive,- particularly—yeah got a lot more sensitive,- particularly_yeah > particularly in america. yeah > kna— particularly in america. yeah > ant i— particularly in america. yeah > ant i mom— particularly in america. yeah > and i mean, francis,— particularly in america. yeah > and i mean, francis, as- and i mean, francis, as professor pinker says, we need to the freedom to question to have the freedom to question ideas, to strengthen those ideas , and also to give them legitimacy in people's eyes. one of the most profound things i've ever actually heard on the subject of free speech was on my show, trigonometry. we interviewed a journalist called ed west, and i said to him, ed, why free speech so important? why is free speech so important? and he said, because without free and you're never free speech and you're never going talk about a problem going to talk about a problem honestly, never going to talk about a problem

honesto never going to talk about a problem honesto about never going to talk about a problem honesto about every never going to talk about a problem honesto about every facetr going to talk about every facet of problem. you don't of the problem. and if you don't talk about every facet of the problem, then are you going problem, then how are you going to solve that problem? to hope to solve that problem? yeah, can't yeah, absolutely. i mean, can't argue that . i mean, you can argue with that. i mean, you can no, you can't argue with that. it's banned. i mean, chris, do you ever do you see this changing? do you see the tide turning? oh, i don't know. one of turning? oh, i don't know. one oi tno— turning? oh, i don't know. one oi tno tnings— turning? oh, i don't know. one oi tno tnings i— turning? oh, i don't know. one of the things i saw— v“tg7’ oh, i don't know. one of the things i saw that i was noaiiy— of the things i saw that i was noatiy monot— of the things i saw that i was really moved by— of the things i saw that i was really moved by was unipart ioing— really moved by was unipart being interviewed by jordan iotonson— being interviewed by jordan peterson. and— being interviewed by jordan peterson. and gave this peterson. and she gave this aoooam— peterson. and she gave this account-degree.- peterson. and she gave this account degree. and account of her degree. and so sno-s— account of her degree. and so sno-s a— account of her degree. and so sno-s a wonn— account of her degree. and so she's a north korean defector wno— she's a north korean defector wno osoanot— she's a north korean defector who escaped and— she's a north korean defector who escaped and got to fulfil her who escaped and got to fulfil non-tnoam— who escaped and got to fulfill her-dream-going her father's dream of her going to aninonsity— her father's dream of her going to university in— her father's dream of her going to university in the states. and her father's dream of her going to ufound ty in the states. and her father's dream of her going to ufound herselfe states. and her father's dream of her going to ufound herself in'states. and her father's dream of her going to ufound herself in classes.nd her father's dream of her going to ufound herself in classes not she found herself in classes not ioing— she found herself in classes not ioing-to— she found herself in classes not ioing-to say— she found herself in classes not being-to say what- being able to say what she noaiiy— being able to say what she natty-ant- being able to say what she really-and she. being able to say what she really and she was being able to say what she- really -and she was just really thought. and she was just so disappointed— really thought. and she was just so disappointed because she tnoagnt—sno- so disappointed because she thought-she got. thought that when she got to nmonioa— thought that when she got to america,-would- thought that when she got to america, would the america, that would be it. the tant— america, that would be it. the iant oi— america, that would be it. the land of freedom. _ america, that would be it. the land of freedom. tv4i;wit v“ c i: land of freedom. yeah, it used to-oi— land of freedom. yeah, it used to-oi ooanso- land of freedom. yeah, it used to-of course, her- to be. and of course, her angamont— to be. and of course, her angamont is— and of course, her argument is always, look, when i osoanot— argument is always, look, when i osoanot wonn— argument is always, look, when i escaped north korea, there was nmonioa— escaped north korea, there was nmonioa to— escaped north korea, there was america to escape— escaped north korea, there was america to escape to, you know, ant— america to escape to, you know, ant ii— america to escape to, you know, and if.disappears_ america to escape to, you know, and if disappears altogether, and if it disappears altogether, it's and if it disappears altogether, its-oi— and if it disappears altogether, it-s-oi-onon. - it's kind of game over. so tot-s. —isi let's. well, i think this is a iantastio— let's. well, i think this is a fantastic move— let's. well, i think this is a fantastic move in the right tinootion— fantastic move in the right direction. great. �*ftt�*tixc direction. great. well, after tno— direction. great. well, after the break, on free speech nation, the summer school with a twist free in the 21st

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donald and young art historian and one of the event's speakers, ella nixon, join me now . thanks ella nixon, join me now. thanks for thanks for coming in. alistair. do you to start off by telling us about the camp? yeah living freedom is an initiative set up by the charity that i work for. ideas matter and it its— work for. ideas matter and it was its basis— work for. ideas matter and it was its basis is— work for. ideas matter and it was its basis is to— ideas matter and it was its basis is to interest young— was its basis is to interest yoang ataits— was its basis is to interest young adults in- was its basis is to interest young adults in freedom and tisoassing— young adults in freedom and discussing and— young adults in freedom and discussing and debating and ongaging— discussing and debating and ongaging witn— discussing and debating and engaging with all issues related to inootom. — engaging with all issues related to freedom. the— engaging with all issues related to freedom. i to freedom. the summer school is existed since 2017, so every year and we get about 5060 people together. dumas of all ages within that 18 to 30 range who discuss all sorts of ideas over the course of three days and hopefully come out at the end of it richer and more informed and hopefully be more convinced of the importance of freedom and free speech and the course is for 18 to 30 year olds. i mean, why do you think it's olds. i mean, why do you think its imnontant— olds. i mean, why do you think it's important to— olds. i mean, why do you think it's important to be— : i mean, why do you think it's important to be discussing tnis— it's important to be discussing tnis stati— it's important to be discussing this stuff with— it's important to be discussing this stuff with with young pebble?— this stuff with with young pebble? tita— this stuff with with young people? ella well, i think

tnono-s— people? ella well, i think tnono-s-a— people? ella well, i think there's-a lot- people? ella well, i think there's-a lot of- people? ella well, i think there's a lot of people there's a lot a lot of people are-university— there's a lot a lot of people are university don't really are at university don't really tnink— are at university don't really think—freedom . are at university don't reallyi think—freedom of think about what freedom of onossion— think about what freedom of expression maybe they expression is or maybe they ton-t—nononl don't know they've never experienced _ don't know they've never experienced ' v: don't know they've never experienced .and for experienced it. and i think for me, it was really important to go there and just out of curiosity to to see see what it was of get a feel for was and kind of get a feel for it because you don't know what you have until you you don't have until you experience you attend. experience it. so you attend. koa— experience it. so you attend. koa nono— experience it. so you attend. koa wonoas-— experience it. so you attend. you were -as an - i c so you attend. you were as an attendee you were there as an attendee tast— you were there as an attendee iast yoan— you were there as an attendee iast yoan-yoano- last year and now you're spoaking— last year and now you're spoakinglit- last year and now you're speaking it year. last year and now you're- speakinglit-year. yes. speaking at it this year. yes. koan. — speaking at it this year. yes. team so— speaking at it this year. yes. koan. so yoan.— speaking at it this year. yes. yeah. so yeah, last- speaking at it this year. yes. yeah. so yeah, last year was my first, first bit of involvement with organisation it was with the organisation and it was really and it just really eye opening and it just gave me a real, real taste for what, where free speech can get us. and it's really helped me to, my thinking to, to develop my thinking and writing since. and what are you going— writing since. and what are you going to— writing since. and what are you going to to— writing since. and what are you going to be speaking- i v“; v“ti.ti and what are you going to be speaking about i v“; vti.ti and what are you going to be speaking about at the going to be speaking about at tno-i-m— going to be speaking about at tno-i-m going- going to be speaking about at the-i'm going-be. the event? i'm going to be sooaking— the event? i'm going to be speaking sensitivity speaking about sensitivity noaonts— speaking about sensitivity readers , right? i readers, right? especially reflecting like roald dahl's, reflecting on like roald dahl's, you the puffin book you know, the puffin book debacle. i guess a lot earlier this year. and i'm going to say, what's wrong with updating old books, right? yeah. i mean, i've noficed books, right? yeah. i mean, i've notioot tnoy— books, right? yeah. i mean, i've noticed they never— books, right? yeah. i mean, i've noticed they never get- noticed they never get a sonsitinity— noticed they never get a sensitivity reader for the quran ant— sensitivity reader for the quran ant tnoy-no — sensitivity reader for the quran and they're quite— sensitivity reader for the quran and they're quite happy to

no—otit— and they're quite happy to re—edit some— and they're quite happy to re—edit some children's books by an aatnon— re—edit some children's books by an author who's— re—edit some children's books by an author who's dead. but i to— an author who's dead. but i to yoa— an author who's dead. but i mean, do you honestly think that people— mean, do you honestly think that pebble soo— mean, do you honestly think that people see progress as danger ? people see progress as danger? omis— people see progress as danger? onnis wot— people see progress as danger? chris well, that's— people see progress as danger? chris well, that's a question, isn-t— chris well, that's a question, isn-t iti — chris well, that's a question, isn't it? that's— chris well, that's a question, isn't it? that's the- chris well, that's a question, isn't it? : v“ isn't it? that's the question we're going to ask. it's interesting that people are talking about progress again just i mean, me, just now. i mean, to me, progress. you in things progress. you look in things like french revolution and progress. you look in things linas french revolution and progress. you look in things linas all'ench revolution and progress. you look in things linas all abouttevolution and progress. you look in things linas all about liberty on and progress. you look in things linas all about liberty and nd it was all about liberty and equality, and was very much equality, and it was very much bound with those bound up with those enlightenment but it enlightenment notions. but it led cutting off heads. yeah led to cutting off heads. yeah well, yes, it liberated heads. so then so therein comes the angamont— so then so therein comes the angamont oi— so then so therein comes the argument of the— so then so therein comes the argument of the last 200 years aioat— argument of the last 200 years atoat its— argument of the last 200 years about its worth— argument of the last 200 years about its worth and its value. i about its worth and its value. i mink— about its worth and its value. i think its— about its worth and its value. i think it's interesting- about its worth and its value. i think it's interesting that people are more and more anti—progress these days and interest thing, even that they're anti—progress because they're anti —progress because they're anti—progress because they see it as a problem for freedom rather than part of the package of gaining freedom. and that's what we want to i; t;iit v“ v“; : and that's what we want to discuss. koan. — that's what we want to discuss. koan. tits— that's what we want to discuss. neat. this is— that's what we want to discuss. yeah, this is this— that's what we want to discuss. yeah, this is this is— that's what we want to discuss. yeah, this is this is something that really surprises me. i mean, even if even the phrase the word free speech, well, the two free speech is seen as two words free speech is seen as some problematic people some sort of problematic people assume that you must be some

sort far right conservative sort of far right conservative if if you want free speech, if you if you want free speech, because obviously the were incredibly keen on free speech. of course. yes. i mean , that's of course. yes. i mean, that's oi— of course. yes. i mean, that's oi tno— of course. yes. i mean, that's one of the things— of course. yes. i mean, that's one of the things that we try to do one of the things that we try to to witn— one of the things that we try to to wit tno— one of the things that we try to do with the summer school is to mix— do with the summer school is to mix it— do with the summer school is to mix it an— do with the summer school is to mix it an a— do with the summer school is to mix it up a little— do with the summer school is to mix it up a little bit. 'vt: c mix it up a little bit. and it is onon— mix it up a little bit. and it is open to— mix it up a little bit. and it is open to quite a wide variety of people. tend to get people of people. we tend to get people who have all sorts of different backgrounds, sorts of backgrounds, all sorts of different and different political views and interests. that the interests. and we find that the common starting point of an interest in freedom, i mean, obviously you're going to a living freedom school, then you've got that starting point. but really, there but beyond that, really, there is for discussion is so much for discussion and that's the sessions that's what makes the sessions interesting. even discussions around and free speech around freedom and free speech and how work. i think are and how they work. i think are very much open to interpretation . so to give example, . so to give an example, this year going to do a session year we're going to do a session on the hecklers veto, which is the commonly happen the protest that commonly happen outside university cities edinburgh and cambridge recently , which were on the show last week , where people are trying to week, where people are trying to stop films being being shown . stop films being being shown. and you think, well, on the one handifs and you think, well, on the one hand it's terrible . the hecklers hand it's terrible. the hecklers

are trying to shut down someone's free speech, but on the other hand, some of the things that are happening to these banned from these hecklers being banned from campus from attending campus or banned from attending protests, you think? well, actually , that's mitigating actually, that's mitigating against freedom . so against their freedom. so i think these things are complicated . and one the complicated. and one of the things that want do the things that we want to do at the school is try and delve into school is to try and delve into things a little bit. and really try to get the people that attend work these attend to work through these issues themselves rather than attend to work through these issues tithe selves rather than attend to work through these issues tithe answers. ther than attend to work through these issues tithe answers. yeahhan attend to work through these issues tithe answers. yeah and assume the answers. yeah and what do your peers v4i;ct“ and what do your peers respond to you— what do your peers respond to yoa iiko— what do your peers respond to yoa iiko wnon— what do your peers respond to you like when you when you say yoa— you like when you when you say you're involved— you like when you when you say you're involved in— you like when you when you say you're involved in a— you like when you when you say you're involved in a free speech onont— you're involved in a free speech onont ant— you're involved in a free speech onont ant yoa— you're involved in a free speech event and you're going to be snoaking— event and you're going to be snoaking at— event and you're going to be speaking at it?— event and you're going to be speaking at it? i— event and you're going to be speaking at it? i mean, you speaking at it? i mean, do you get speaking at it? i mean, do you got maon— speaking at it? i mean, do you get much opprobrium from from people— get much opprobrium from from people-own— get much opprobrium from from pebble-own ago— get much opprobrium from from pebble-own ago i - get much opprobrium from from people own age ? \ti§i "tiacy people your own age? not really. i people your own age? not really. i think— people your own age? not really. i think before i started to talk about it, there was maybe i was about it, there was maybe i was a bit more nervous about what will people think and what reputation will i get. but actually, you know, most people know and i like to think i'm know me and i like to think i'm not this terrible person. and they that i wouldn't be they know that i wouldn't be involved in if it wasn't. so involved in it if it wasn't. so if anything, stimulates if anything, it just stimulates debate gets more people debate and gets more people

interested . right. and are you interested. right. and are you seeing interested. right. and are you sooing poopto— interested. right. and are you seeing people wanting- : ?t;“ and are you seeing people wanting to : 3;“ and are you seeing people wanting to come to the seeing people wanting to come to to onont— seeing people wanting to come to to onont as— seeing people wanting to come to to onont as a— seeing people wanting to come to the event as a result of you taking— the event as a result of you talking about— the event as a result of you talking about it?- the event as a result of you talking about it? do people get intonostot— talking about it? do people get interested and— talking about it? do people get interested and want to get innoinoti — interested and want to get involved? yeah,- interested and want to get involved? tv4i;wit v“ “

give them a history lesson, but to try and let them understand how these ideas emerge, but also to question relevant they to question how relevant they are today , what that we are today, what it is that we need to do to update those ideas. then there'll also ideas. and then there'll also get some of the contemporary discussion brilliant. so it's discussion is brilliant. so it's a real mixture and i hope it fires their enthusiasm for coming back, doing what ella's has done and come away and thought, right, i really want to get involved and produce a session and speak on a session next year . so there's plenty of next year. so there's plenty of opportunities to be involved in the future. and what do you think the risks to society are if we don't have free speech? well, the risks are where we are now that no one, no one is talking to each other because everybody's so ensconced in their echo chambers and their silos that you never get to discuss anything properly . so discuss anything properly. so these these are tricky issues that need openly debated. yeah absolutely. anyway, alastair oonait— absolutely. anyway, alastair i>onait ant— absolutely. anyway, alastair donald and ellen— doze; anyway, alastair donald and ellen nixon from twing— donald and ellen nixon from living freedom— donald and ellen nixon from living freedom summer camp, tnank— living freedom summer camp, tnank yoa— living freedom summer camp, tnank yoa so— living freedom summer camp, thank you so much for joining living freedom summer camp, thank you so much forjoining us tonignt— thank you so much forjoining us tonignt .— thank you so much forjoining us tonignt . ant— thank you so much forjoining us

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welcome back to free speech wation— welcome back to free speech wation .— welcome back to free speech wation . tno— welcome back to free speech nation , the author of nation, the author of trainspotting, irvine welsh, has sait— trainspotting, irvine welsh, has sait inat— trainspotting, irvine welsh, has sait tnat k— trainspotting, irvine welsh, has said that jk rowling is simply tnying— said that jk rowling is simply tnying to— said that jk rowling is simply trying to protect— said that jk rowling is simply trying to protect women's saoosn— trying to protect women's saoosa no— trying to protect women's spaces. he went on to say that won— spaces. he went on to say that tnono mast— spaces. he went on to say that there must be— spaces. he went on to say that there must be some way that we can advance trans— there must be some way that we can advance trans rights without attaoking— can advance trans rights without attacking women's— can advance trans rights without attacking women's rights. with me attacking women's rights. with no to— attacking women's rights. with me to discuss— attacking women's rights. with me to discuss this is the ioannaiist— me to discuss this is the journalist joe— me to discuss this is the journalist joe bartosh . i hope journalist joe bartosh. i hope nono— journalist joe bartosh. i hope nono wo— journalist joe bartosh. i hope nono no go.— journalist joe bartosh. i hope here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, here we go. yeah, here we go. ni too.— here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, joe. thanks— here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, joe. thanks for— here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, joe. thanks for joining here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, joe. thanks forjoining . us hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us mank— hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you.— hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you. thank— hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you. thank you- hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you. thank you for- hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you. thank you for having me. i mean irvine welsh is stance it sounds like he's speaking some some common sense

this surely can't be seen as transphobic. noi this surely can't be seen as transphobic. no i mean to be nonost— transphobic. no i mean to be honest whilst— transphobic. no i mean to be honest whilst it's— ti. no i mean to be honest whilst it's obviously gnoat— honest whilst it's obviously gnoat inat— honest whilst it's obviously great that he's— honest whilst it's obviously great that he's spoken up in motion— great that he's spoken up in sannon oi— great that he's spoken up in sannon oi ak— great that he's spoken up in support of jk rowling , i did support of jk rowling, i did tnink— support of jk rowling, i did tnink it— support of jk rowling, i did think it was— support of jk rowling, i did think it was a— support of jk rowling, i did think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i— think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i mom— think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i to— think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i to say— think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i mean to say there- think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i mean to say there must be some sort of way forward. there must be some sort of compromise as well. i'd like to know which women's rights he thinks it's okay to compromise , how many okay to compromise, how many children okay to children he thinks it's okay to put blockers, put on puberty blockers, rendering potential. you know, i think actually a little bit think it's actually a little bit , um, it's a bit almost slightly backhanded, really. i mean, yes, it's great that he's he's supports her. um, but um, he also admitted to using trans sensitivity readers, which i thought was, um , well, thought was, um, well, surprising to say the least . so surprising to say the least. so he said he's using trans sensitivity— he said he's using trans sensitivity readers for his own wonk— sensitivity readers for his own wonk .— sensitivity readers for his own wonk . noam— sensitivity readers for his own work . yeah. and— sensitivity readers for his own work . yeah. and i— sensitivity readers for his own work . yeah. and i mean, work. yeah. and i mean, somotning— work. yeah. and i mean, something that i thought was panioaianiy— something that i thought was particularly ironic about that is inat— particularly ironic about that is tnat. yoa— particularly ironic about that is that, you know, obviously tnat-s— is that, you know, obviously that's predicated on the idea inat— that's predicated on the idea tnat yoa— that's predicated on the idea that you can't,— that's predicated on the idea that you can't, as an author ontinoiy—

that you can't, as an author ontinoiy got— that you can't, as an author entirely get into— that you can't, as an author entirely get into somebody osois— entirely get into somebody else's mind— entirely get into somebody else's mind entirely into their tnoin— else's mind entirely into their their mindset,— else's mind entirely into their their mindset, which i think is a noaiiy— their mindset, which i think is a really dreadful— their mindset, which i think is a really dreadful omission for an aatnon— a really dreadful omission for an aatnon to— a really dreadful omission for an author to make because you wont— an author to make because you woait oknoot— an author to make because you would expect that— an author to make because you would expect that to be part of the would expect that to be part of to point— would expect that to be part of to point oi— would expect that to be part of the point of literature is to get— the point of literature is to got into— the point of literature is to get into other— the point of literature is to get into other people's minds. ant— get into other people's minds. ant monoowon— get into other people's minds. and moreover, you— get into other people's minds. and moreover, you know,- get into other people's minds. and moreover, you know, thinking about the trans issue in particular, well, i don't ever remember being asked by, for example, eddie izzard if was example, eddie izzard if it was okay for to wear my okay for him to wear my identity, my sensitivity identity, where my sensitivity readers, i mean, it's readers, please. i mean, it's ridiculous. and irvine welsh sait— ridiculous. and irvine welsh sait inat— ridiculous. and irvine welsh said that there's— . t: i and irvine welsh said that there's such a massive tiiiononoo— said that there's such a massive difference between _ said that there's such a massive difference between the majority of difference between the majority oi tnans— difference between the majority oi tnans pebble— difference between the majority of trans people and how they're nonnosontot— of trans people and how they're represented on— of trans people and how they're represented on social media. do you— represented on social media. do yoa tnink— represented on social media. do yoa tnink no-s— represented on social media. do you think he's right? \tit represented on social media. do you think he's right ? \tit you think he's right? no, to be nonost— you think he's right? no, to be honest .— you think he's right? no, to be honest. i— you think he's right? no, to be honest, i think i think a lot of them are very angry . i think them are very angry. i think there's a lot of misdirected angen there's a lot of misdirected anger. so, for example, today there was a demonstration in birmingham of women's rights activists and they were mobbed. they were surrounded . the police they were surrounded. the police didn't step in to support them . didn't step in to support them. they were harassed. they were intimidated by this apparently vulnerable . so i have vulnerable minority. so i have no doubt there are some people

who suffer with gender dysphoria . have absolutely no . i also have absolutely no doubt there lot of men for doubt there are a lot of men for whom it's fetish whom it's a fetish and apparently we're allowed to apparently we're not allowed to talk about that. yeah, i mean, the talk about that. yeah, i mean, to pebble— talk about that. yeah, i mean, the people making— talk about that. yeah, i mean, the people making the- yeah, i mean, the people making the making the fuss the people making the making the iass-making— the people making the making the fuss-making the— the people making the making the fuss making the violent fuss and making the violent tnnoats— fuss and making the violent tnnoats .— fuss and making the violent threats , they— fuss and making the violent threats , they don't to be threats, they don't seem to be tno— threats, they don't seem to be to son— threats, they don't seem to be to sont oi— threats, they don't seem to be the sort of genuine trans women wno— the sort of genuine trans women wno tast— the sort of genuine trans women wno iast want— the sort of genuine trans women who just want to _ the sort of genuine trans women who just want to pass in society ant— who just want to pass in society ant got— who just want to pass in society ant got on— who just want to pass in society ant got on witn— who just want to pass in society and get on with their lives . and get on with their lives. they— and get on with their lives. inoy — and get on with their lives. inoy to — and get on with their lives. they seem to be more like women like they seem to be more like women iiko mo— they seem to be more like women iiko mo wno— they seem to be more like women like me who are— they seem to be more like women like me who are just— they seem to be more like women like me who are just out there iooking— like me who are just out there iooking ion— like me who are just out there iooking ion a— like me who are just out there looking for a ruck— like me who are just out there looking for a ruck . tv4i;wit v“ ytiuit v“ looking for a ruck. yeah, yeah, totally . absolutely. i think. totally. absolutely. i think. i think that's that's part of the anger they feel it's quite often because it is in some ways motivated by a fetish which i think, you know, there's no surprise in a way that this movement has emerged at around the same time as free online has become a huge industry. so i think, you know, when you have a woman who says, no, i don't believe you, i think that's actually taken as a very visceral, personal reaction, which i think for a lot which i think accounts for a lot of the anger. and do you think mono-ii— of the anger. and do you think tnono-ii to— of the anger. and do you think tnono-ii to a— of the anger. and do you think there'll be a turning- ; and do you think there'll be a turning point soon wnono— there'll be a turning point soon wnono onoonony— there'll be a turning point soon where everyone settles down a bit where everyone settles down a

tit-wo— where everyone settles down a tit-wo-aii— where everyone settles down a bit-we .all hold - where everyone settles down a bit we all hold hands bit and we can all hold hands ant—togotnonl bit and we can all hold hands| and _together ? bit and we can all hold hands. and _together ? i and move forward together? i i— and move forward together? i i think— and move forward together? i mean, i think the— and move forward together? i mean, i think the point- and move forward together? i mean, i think the point we need to aim for is to just to wrestle back reality. i think there's you know, i get a bit annoyed with people who are looking for middle ways, looking for to concede points, because frankly, until five minutes ago, we all knew there were two sexes. knew that there were two sexes. it controversial, racial, it wasn't controversial, racial, nothing rowling said nothing that jk rowling has said is remotely controversial. you know, was right when it came know, she was right when it came to the tavistock, for example, which now been closed. which has now been closed. she's been it comes been right when it comes to women only spaces. you know, of course need women only course women need women only space abused space when they've been abused by aren't by men. these aren't controversial things say, and controversial things to say, and i feel like the burden of i often feel like the burden of proof is reversed , just in a way proof is reversed, just in a way with this one. you know, it shouldn't be up for us to explain why women don't have penises. it really should be up to other to say, you to the other side to say, you know, to make arguments. know, to make their arguments. then whether we then we can decide whether we agree them or not. the agree with them or not. but the idea of them imposed, idea of having them imposed, which have been which they have been quite stealthily lobby stealthily by lobby groups, isn't on and jk rowling, i mean, she's famously never actually said something transphobic . if

said something transphobic. if she had, then people could hold inat— she had, then people could hold tnat an— she had, then people could hold that up.evidence,_ she had, then people could hold that up evidence, but they that up as evidence, but they tnoy— that up as evidence, but they tnoy say— that up as evidence, but they tnoy say sno— that up as evidence, but they tnoy say sno. yoa— that up as evidence, but they they say she, you know, she aoooan— they say she, you know, she appears transphobic. she has the oi— appears transphobic. she has the oi tnans— appears transphobic. she has the aura of trans transphobia, but tnoy— aura of trans transphobia, but tnoy oan-t— aura of trans transphobia, but tnoy oan-t tnoy— aura of trans transphobia, but they can't they can't really pin it on— they can't they can't really pin it on non.— they can't they can't really pin it on non. wny— they can't they can't really pin it on her. why do— they can't they can't really pin it on her. why do you think sno-s— it on her. why do you think she's singled— it on her. why do you think she's singled out for such hate? noti— she's singled out for such hate? won t— she's singled out for such hate? won t tnink— she's singled out for such hate? well i think because she's the oniy— well i think because she's the oniy ono— well i think because she's the only one that's— well i think because she's the only one that's had a bit of courage, frankly. v“ only one that's had a bit of courage, frankly. i mean, you know.— courage, frankly. i mean, you know, there were so few authors who are speaking out. and i think that's in part because the chair of the society of authors, joanne , is essentially joanne harris, is essentially a trans don't think trans activist. i don't think that helps matters. and you know, i think there's a kind of an emergence of silence across particularly in sort of elite industries like your authors, like your media, like i think there is a real kind of clique of right thinkers and wrong thinkers and nobody wants to be on the wrong side of that. oh, i see. anyway, jill, journalist ant— see. anyway, jill, journalist ant wniton— see. anyway, jill, journalist and writer, thank you so much for and writer, thank you so much ion ioining— and writer, thank you so much ion toining as— and writer, thank you so much for joining us tonight. and writer, thank you so much for joining us tonight . and forjoining us tonight. and tot-s— forjoining us tonight. and tot-s tning— forjoining us tonight. and let's bring in— forjoining us tonight. and let's bring in my esteemed panel . no— let's bring in my esteemed panel . i>o oitnon— let's bring in my esteemed panel . i>o oitnon oi— let's bring in my esteemed panel . do either of you—

let's bring in my esteemed panel . do either of you agree with mino— . do either of you agree with innino woisn— . do either of you agree with irvine welsh erg— . do either of you agree with irvine welsh erg no . okay. irvine welsh erg no. okay. mat-s— irvine welsh erg no. okay. that's that's— irvine welsh erg no. okay. that's that's that question answered. well,- that's that's that question answered. �*ftt�*tixc ytiuit v“ that's that's that question answered. «tilt? v“ v“ answered. well, yeah, i mean, exactly as joe just said, this idea that you have to wrestle back reality is pretty frustrating, isn't it, that this idea that, you know, if somebody behaves really, really badly and then they kind of give 50% then they can kind of give 50% and like now we're in the and it's like now we're in the middle, it's no, you middle, it's like, no, you started like, why can you started this like, why can you point at me, please, when you're saying this? yeah it's outrageous. yeah. and mean, outrageous. yeah. and i mean, sootiant-s— outrageous. yeah. and i mean, scotland's obviously- scotland's obviously the, the niaoo— scotland's obviously the, the niaoo ion— scotland's obviously the, the ntaoo ion ion.— scotland's obviously the, the place for for, this— scotland's obviously the, the place for for, this kind of tning— place for for, this kind of tning. tnis— place for for, this kind of thing, this debate to happen. aisoiatoiy. — thing, this debate to happen. absolutely. -the- thing, this debate to happen. absolutely. the stunning absolutely. with the stunning tnans— absolutely. with the stunning trans woman that is isla bryson ant— trans woman that is isla bryson ant non— trans woman that is isla bryson and her massive— trans woman that is isla bryson and her massive clitoris. yeah. ant— and her massive clitoris. yeah. ant wo— and her massive clitoris. yeah. and we invented— and her massive clitoris. yeah. and we invented the kilt. which wnion— and we invented the kilt. which was. which was— and we invented the kilt. which was. which was early attempt was. which was an early attempt at-womon— was. which was an early attempt at-womon .— was. which was an early attempt at-women . exactly.- was. which was an early attempt at women . exactly. so, you at trans women. exactly. so, you know— at trans women. exactly. so, you know .— at trans women. exactly. so, you know . its— at trans women. exactly. so, you know . it-s att— at trans women. exactly. so, you know , it's all good— at trans women. exactly. so, you know , it's all good news. know, it's all good news. i'm disappointed— know, it's all good news. i'm disappointed that he's bringing insensitivity readers. i would expect if you're irvine welsh, you've proved yourself. i mean , you've proved yourself. i mean, i went to see the whole point of irvine. welsh is he's supposed to to— irvine. welsh is he's supposed to to tno— irvine. welsh is he's supposed to be the most— ”t welsh is he's supposed to be the most visceral, snooking— to be the most visceral, snooking .— to be the most visceral, shocking , outrageous, taboo shocking, outrageous, taboo tasting— shocking, outrageous, taboo busting author— shocking, outrageous, taboo busting author ,_ shocking, outrageous, taboo busting author , but then he's

busting author, but then he's got sensitivity— busting author, but then he's got sensitivity readers , and got sensitivity readers, and tnoy— got sensitivity readers, and they shouldn't— got sensitivity readers, and they shouldn't be the ones determining— they shouldn't be the ones determining what art is. determining what the art is. i .ltit— determining what the art is. i little— determining what the art is. i mean ,lbit.a broken- determining what the art is. ii mean ,lbit.a broken record mean, a bit of a broken record on this, but to hear from on this, but i want to hear from the artist, not the person police being the artist. but the problem is with— ti.ti v“; but the problem is with publishing is iiko— problem is with publishing is iiko-tnoso— problem is with publishing is iiko-tnoso .- problem is with publishing is like-these , you- problem is with publishing is like these , you know, like a lot of these, you know, tnoso— like a lot of these, you know, tnoso-ant— like a lot of these, you know, these and inverted these liberal and inverted. commas-, they're these liberal and inverted- commas-, they're the commas industries, they're the wno— commas industries, they're the ones who are going to be tooiting— ones who are going to be deciding whether the artist , deciding whether the artist, wnotnon— deciding whether the artist, whether the _ deciding whether the artist, whether the writer gets pattisnot— whether the writer gets published and it's very, very tiiiioait— published and it's very, very difficult now— published and it's very, very difficult now for— published and it's very, very difficult now for authors to aotaaiiy— difficult now for authors to actually-their- difficult now for authors to actually their books actually get their books pattisnot. — actually get their books published, prove , particularly published, prove, particularly if published, prove, particularly ii tnoy— published, prove, particularly ii tnoy go— published, prove, particularly if they go against prevailing orthodoxies_ if they go against prevailing orthodoxies like you even saw it witn— orthodoxies like you even saw it witn tontan— orthodoxies like you even saw it with jordan peterson, where i tnink— with jordan peterson, where i tnink it— with jordan peterson, where i tnink it was— with jordan peterson, where i think it was in— with jordan peterson, where i think it was in canada. there's tnoso— think it was in canada. there's tnoso yoang— think it was in canada. there's these young kids— think it was in canada. there's these young kids who work in the painting— these young kids who work in the publishing house.— these young kids who work in the publishing house. you know, it's staging— publishing house. you know, it's staging demonstration shows and all staging demonstration shows and at tno— staging demonstration shows and at to nost— staging demonstration shows and at to nost oi— staging demonstration shows and all the rest of yeah. and all the rest of it. yeah. and oiwioasiy— all the rest of it. yeah. and obviously,-got- all the rest of it. yeah. and obviously, got published obviously, jordan got published iooaaso— obviously, jordan got published iooaaso nos— obviously, jordan got published because he's jordan. but how many— because he's jordan. but how many pebble— because he's jordan. but how many people who are coming tnoagn— many people who are coming tnnoagn noatiy— many people who are coming through really talented new young— through really talented new young novelists self—censor ? young novelists self—censor? woan— young novelists self—censor? noan iooaaso— young novelists self—censor? yeah, because they just know inat— yeah, because they just know tnat ii— yeah, because they just know tnat ii tnoy— yeah, because they just know an it tnoy go— yeah, because they just know that if they go against this prevailing— that if they go against this prevailing orthodoxy, they are not going— prevailing orthodoxy, they are not going to— prevailing orthodoxy, they are not going to got— prevailing orthodoxy, they are not going to get published . and not going to get published. and tot-s— not going to get published. and tot-s io— not going to get published. and let's be honest,— not going to get published. and let's be honest, essentially tnoy-no— let's be honest, essentially tnoy-no not— let's be honest, essentially they're not going to have a

ant— they're not going to have a career. and we've seen a similar tning— career. and we've seen a similar tning nation— career. and we've seen a similar tning nation-tno- career. and we've seen a similar thing happen the stand thing happen with the stand oomoty— thing happen with the stand comedy-which- thing happen with the stand comedy which going comedy club, which was going to ononto—joanna- provide a platform to joanna ononn— provide a platform to joanna ononny. wno-s— provide a platform to joanna cherry, who's a— provide a platform to joanna cherry, who's a gender critical tosiian— cherry, who's a gender critical tosiian .— cherry, who's a gender critical tosiian . ant— cherry, who's a gender critical lesbian . and then the staff at lesbian. and then the staff at the lesbian. and then the staff at to stant— lesbian. and then the staff at the stand had— lesbian. and then the staff at the stand had cancelled the aonionmanoo— the stand had cancelled the performance by— the stand had cancelled the performance by saying they not— performance by saying they weren't willing— performance by saying they weren't willing to they weren't know— weren't willing to they weren't know it— weren't willing to they weren't know itlgoing— weren't willing to they weren't know it going ahead because know it is going ahead because it—inoaonot- know it is going ahead because it_breached the. it turned out it breached the ogaaiitios. — it turned out it breached the equalities. the— it turned out it breached the equalities. the equalities act to oanooi— equalities. the equalities act to oanooi it— equalities. the equalities act to oanooi it .— equalities. the equalities act to cancel it . but— equalities. the equalities act to cancel it . but i mean, that's to cancel it. but i mean, that's a simian— to cancel it. but i mean, that's a simiian a— to cancel it. but i mean, that's a similar a similar— to cancel it. but i mean, that's a similar a similar and that's why— a similar a similar and that's wny yoa— a similar a similar and that's wny yoa noot— a similar a similar and that's why you need the irvine welsh the why you need the irvine welsh to roam— why you need the irvine welsh the jordan peterson's. i went to see the jordan peterson's. i went to timot— the jordan peterson's. i went to see lionel shriver talking about sensitivity recently. sensitivity readers recently. she's having it yeah she's having none of it yeah good for her and those people are kind paving the way for are kind of paving the way for the baby writers to come up, aren't they. because if you're a new writer, you're far more likely to self—censor the likely to self—censor in the first invite first place or invite sensitivity readers so that sensitivity readers in so that you can get your work published . it's like, we want to . and it's like, no, we want to hear real give me the art hear the real give me the art and decide if i like it or and i'll decide if i like it or not. tell me what i can not. don't tell me what i can and can't have. it drives me mad. do you think we'll get more ooioinity— mad. do you think we'll get more ooioinity nis— mad. do you think we'll get more celebrity his now?— celebrity his now? the jk itowiing— celebrity his now? the jk rowling and— celebrity his now? the jk rowling and irvine welsh rowling and then irvine welsh nano— rowling and then irvine welsh nano-tno— rowling and then irvine welsh have-the seal- rowling and then irvine welsh have _the seal on- rowling and then irvine welsh have the seal on this have broken the seal on this do you— have broken the seal on this do yoa—tnink- have broken the seal on this do you _think we'll. have broken the seal on this doi you _think we'll get you think do you think we'll get

more celebrities— you think do you think we'll get more celebrities following their iootstons— more celebrities following their footsteps minefield? more celebrities following their foot do as minefield? more celebrities following their foot do you minefield? more celebrities following their footdo you rememberminefield? more celebrities following their footdo you rememberminefiguy no. do you remember when guy ioanoo— no. do you remember when guy pearce-something- no. do you remember when guy pearce something like, i, a pearce said something like, i, a nonson— pearce said something like, i, a nonson is— pearce said something like, i, a nonson is an— pearce said something like, i, a person is an actor,— pearce said something like, i, a person is an actor, is a person wno— person is an actor, is a person wno oan— person is an actor, is a person wno okay— person is an actor, is a person wno play any— person is an actor, is a person who can play any role or somotning— who can play any role or something that. who can play any role or something-that. an something like that. and an aoton— something like that. and an actor should— something like that. and an actor should be— something like that. and an actor should be able to play any noto— actor should be able to play any noto-aioat— actor should be able to play any role.-about two- actor should be able to play any role. about two days role. it lasted about two days toiono— role. it lasted about two days toiono-oi- role. it lasted about two days before of hollywood role. it lasted about two days before down, of hollywood role. it lasted about two days before down, and of hollywood role. it lasted about two days before down, and this ollywood role. it lasted about two days before down, and this is.ywood role. it lasted about two days beforedown, and this is how,d role. it lasted about two days beforedown, and this is how, you came down, and this is how, you know.— came down, and this is how, you knowlmossot— came down, and this is how, you knowlmossot an.— came down, and this is how, you know, messed up. he then did know, he messed up. he then did two iittio— know, he messed up. he then did two little screenshots in the apology— two little screenshots in the apology-pinned- two little screenshots in the apology pinned his apology and pinned it to his initton— apology and pinned it to his twitter. _that's - apology and pinned it to his. twitter.-that's-you twitter. anyway, that's how you know—is- twitter. anyway, that's how you know—is tno- twitter. anyway, that's how you. know—is the agent know that somebody is the agent has know that somebody is the agent nas nat— know that somebody is the agent nas nat a— know that somebody is the agent has had a little— know that somebody is the agent has had a little word of apoiogy. — has had a little word of apology. yeah. anyway, there's stit— apology. yeah. anyway, there's stiii tots— apology. yeah. anyway, there's stiii tots to— apology. yeah. anyway, there's still lots to come— apology. yeah. anyway, there's still lots to come on. free snooon— still lots to come on. free speech nation— still lots to come on. free speech nation .- still lots to come on. free speech nation . we're not allowed speech nation. we're not allowed to oati— speech nation. we're not allowed to call criminals,— speech nation. we're not allowed to call criminals, criminals anymo okay.— to call criminals, criminals anymore. okay, so what do we oati— anymore. okay, so what do we oati-wo-ii— anymore. okay, so what do we call we'll speaking anymore. okay, so what do we. call-we'll.speaking to call them? we'll be speaking to a call them? we'll be speaking to oan-nsonon— call them? we'll be speaking to an-nsonon to— call them? we'll be speaking to a-prisoner to get- call them? we'll be speaking to a prisoner to get the a former prisoner to get the ant— a former prisoner to get the answer. and i'll— a former prisoner to get the answer. and i'll treat you to my masings— answer. and i'll treat you to my masings on— answer. and i'll treat you to my masings on tno— answer. and i'll treat you to my musings on the migrant housing non-t— musings on the migrant housing non-t yoa— musings on the migrant housing mess. don't you move a muscle

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wook. nat— come on free speech nation this wook. nat tot-s— come on free speech nation this week. but let's get— come on free speech nation this week. but let's get a news antato— week. but let's get a news antato iinst— week. but let's get a news update first from tatiana sanonoz. — update first from tatiana sanchez. she's . leo. “wits/v“: sanchez. she's. leo. thank you oony— sanchez. she's. leo. thank you very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom nurses are calling for a double digit pay offer to prevent further strike action. the head of the royal college of nursing, cullen, told the nursing, pat cullen, told the sunday times the government risks another six months of industrial action if negotiations aren't reopened and members rejected a 5% offer which was accepted by 14 other unions . a new ballot for strikes unions. a new ballot for strikes is set to be held later this month . gatwick airport was month. gatwick airport was forced to shut a runway for almost an hour following a suspected drone incident . eight suspected drone incident. eight flights were temporarily suspended and 12 inbound flights were diverted to other airports. british airways says one of its flights was affected, landing at stansted airport before refuelling and returning to gatwick. a spokesperson for the airport says passenger safety is the airport's absolute priority

and the investigations have now been completed . suggestions of been completed. suggestions of unrest within the conservative party are being downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly a thousand councillors were lost and the decision to scale back post—brexit plans to scrap eu laws . former home secretary laws. former home secretary priti patel accused the leader of failing to listen to his party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in glory since bods covered itself in glory since boris johnson's leadership . boris johnson's leadership. energy secretary grant shapps says the prime minister is doing the right things and people need to be patient. i think this and sno— to be patient. i think this and sno was— to be patient. i think this and she was referring— to be patient. i think this and she was referring to- i think this and she was referring to the set of oiootions— she was referring to the set of elections which _ she was referring to the set of elections which were obviously oony— elections which were obviously wony tiiiioait— elections which were obviously very difficult for— elections which were obviously very difficult for the conservatives . there weren't a conservatives. there weren't a goot— conservatives. there weren't a goot sot— conservatives. there weren't a goot sot oi— conservatives. there weren't a good set of elections for us, iat— good set of elections for us, tat tnis— good set of elections for us, but this was— good set of elections for us, but this was the— good set of elections for us, but this was the first ottomanity- but this was the first opportunity people have had to oommom— opportunity people have had to comment shenanigans comment on all the shenanigans of comment on all the shenanigans oi tast— comment on all the shenanigans of last summer— comment on all the shenanigans of last summer and those many ioatonsnin— of last summer and those many leadership changes that went on. i leadership changes that went on. i tnink— leadership changes that went on. itnink pebble— leadership changes that went on. i think people were venting tnoin— i think people were venting their frustration . an i actually their frustration. an i actually tnink— their frustration. an i actually tnink tno— their frustration. an i actually think the rishi— their frustration. an i actually think the rishi sunak in his iiko— think the rishi sunak in his iino point— think the rishi sunak in his five point plan— think the rishi sunak in his five point plan to halve inflation—

five point plan to halve inflation and- five point plan to halve inflation and grow the economy ant— inflation and grow the economy ant notaoo— inflation and grow the economy and reduce our— inflation and grow the economy and reduce our debt and cut the was— and reduce our debt and cut the was waiting— and reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list— and reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list and stop the smatt— nhs waiting list and stop the smaii toats. — nhs waiting list and stop the small boats. i— nhs waiting list and stop the small boats. i think he's doing okaotiy— small boats. i think he's doing okaotiy tno— small boats. i think he's doing exactly the right— small boats. i think he's doing exactly the right things and tot-s— exactly the right things and tot-s tatgo— exactly the right things and let's judge him _ exactly the right things and let's judge him against that. tot-s— let's judge him against that. iot-s iatgo— let's judge him against that. let's judge this— let's judge him against that. let's judge this government against— let's judge this government against inat— let's judge this government against that. when comes to against that. when it comes to the against that. when it comes to tno-oiootion— against that. when it comes to the election, counting is the next election, counting is antonway— the next election, counting is antonway in— the next election, counting is underway in turkey to establish wno— underway in turkey to establish wno witt— underway in turkey to establish wno witi io— underway in turkey to establish who will be the _ underway in turkey to establish who will be the country's next toaton. — who will be the country's next toaton. ino— who will be the country's next leader. the voters- who will be the country's next leader. v“ leader. the voters have been deciding on whether president erdogan, who's been in power for 20 years, should be re—elected . 20 years, should be re—elected. and opinion polls ahead of the ballot gave his main rival, kamal kilicdaroglu, a slight lead , a clearer indication of lead, a clearer indication of the first round results expected later this evening . and the later this evening. and the ukrainian president has received an award during his visit to germany . anne—elisabeth moutet . germany. anne—elisabeth moutet. he was presented with the international charlemagne prize of aachen in recognition of the ukrainian people and vladimir zelenskyy's fight for freedom against what's been described as the unjustified russian war of aggression. the board of

directors said the award underscores the fact that ukraine is part of europe and the country supports the bloc's european values. later tonight , european values. later tonight, zelenskyy will meet with the french president , zelenskyy will meet with the french president, emmanuel macron. the pair will sit for a dinner meeting where france will reaffirm its military and humanitarian support for the war torn country . tv online humanitarian support for the war torn country. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is. gb news. welcome back to free speech nation. just to see if you watoning— nation. just to see if you watching the— a just to see if you watching the brilliant alistair ant— watching the brilliant alistair ant ayia— watching the brilliant alistair and ayla from _ watching the brilliant alistair and ayla from living freedom sammo— and ayla from living freedom summer school— and ayla from living freedom summer school in the previous noan. — summer school in the previous noan. koa— summer school in the previous hour. you still— summer school in the previous hour. you still have a week to took— hour. you still have a week to took yoan— hour. you still have a week to book your place _ hour. you still have a week to book your place for june 20th on.— book your place for june 20th on. to— book your place for june 20th on. to ist— book your place for june 20th 9th to 1st july _ book your place for june 20th 9th to 1st july. so— book your place for june 20th 9th to 1st july. so you better get— 9th to 1st july. so you better got yoan— 9th to 1st july. so you better get your skates— 9th to 1st july. so you better get your skates on. head to twing— get your skates on. head to living freedom.org .uk. now tot-s— living freedom.org .uk. now tot-s got— living freedom.org .uk. now let's get some— living freedom.org .uk. now let's get some more questions inom— let's get some more questions inom tno— let's get some more questions from the audience . our first from the audience. our first gaostion— from the audience. our first gaostion is— from the audience. our first question is from _ from the audience. our first question is from brian in. wett— question is from brian in. not. nano—

question is from brian in. well, have the— question is from brian in. well, have the oscars- question is from brian in. well, have the oscars taking their new inclusion asian and diversity standards too far? have the oscars taken their new inoiasion— have the oscars taken their new inoiasion ant— have the oscars taken their new inclusion and diversity standards— inclusion and diversity standards too far? starting in 202a.— standards too far? starting in 202a. iiims— standards too far? starting in 2024, films will— standards too far? starting in 2024, films will be required to moot— 2024, films will be required to moot now— 2024, films will be required to meet new inclusion standards to be meet new inclusion standards to to otigiiio— meet new inclusion standards to to otigiiio ion— meet new inclusion standards to be eligible for the— meet new inclusion standards to be eligible for the academy awants— be eligible for the academy awants ion— be eligible for the academy awards for best— be eligible for the academy awards for best picture , they'll awards for best picture, they'll nano — awards for best picture, they'll two to — awards for best picture, they'll two to nano— awards for best picture, they'll have to have a— awards for best picture, they'll have to have a have a certain ponoontago— have to have a have a certain nonoontago oi— have to have a have a certain percentage of actors or crew inom— percentage of actors or crew from underrepresented racial or otnnio— from underrepresented racial or otnnio goats.— from underrepresented racial or ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, the ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, tno aoton— ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, the actor who's— ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, the actor who's in— ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, the actor who's in jaws and some otnon— the actor who's in jaws and some otnon goot— the actor who's in jaws and some other good films,— the actor who's in jaws and some other good films, said, they mako— other good films, said, they mako mo— other good films, said, they make me vomit.— other good films, said, they make me vomit. why what do you mako— make me vomit. why what do you mako oi— make me vomit. why what do you mako oi tnisi— make me vomit. why what do you make of this? francis well, not— make of this? francis well, wan, took.— make of this? francis well, well, look, the— make of this? francis well, well, look, the reality is, is inat— well, look, the reality is, is that hollywood _ well, look, the reality is, is that hollywood is famously inonotiity— that hollywood is famously incredibly nepotistic. it always has incredibly nepotistic. it always nas ooon.— incredibly nepotistic. it always nas ioon. so— incredibly nepotistic. it always has been. so there's part of me inat— has been. so there's part of me tnat goos— has been. so there's part of me an goos. on.— has been. so there's part of me that goes, oh, this— has been. so there's part of me that goes, oh, this might aotaaiiy— that goes, oh, this might actually be— that goes, oh, this might actually be a— that goes, oh, this might actually be a good thing. but if you actually be a good thing. but if yoa wono— actually be a good thing. but if yoa toing— actually be a good thing. but if you were doing it— actually be a good thing. but if you were doing it to be tokenistic_ you were doing it to be tokenistic ,_ you were doing it to be tokenistic , then quite frankly, tokenistic, then quite frankly, it's pointless— tokenistic, then quite frankly, it's pointless .— tokenistic, then quite frankly, it's pointless . what you need is it's pointless. what you need is pebble— it's pointless. what you need is some people outside of hollywood who some people outside of hollywood wno aont— some people outside of hollywood wno aont .— some people outside of hollywood wno aont . wo— some people outside of hollywood who aren't . no i— some people outside of hollywood who aren't . no i mean , well,

who aren't. no i mean, well, snoaking— who aren't. no i mean, well, snoaking oi— who aren't. no i mean, well, snoaking oi in— who aren't. no i mean, well, speaking of in the comedy intastny— speaking of in the comedy intastny. no— speaking of in the comedy industry, no, i— speaking of in the comedy industry, no, i really hate when tnono-s— industry, no, i really hate when there's representation on gaotas. — there's representation on gaotas. ant— there's representation on quotas. and i- there's representation on quotas. ' v“ there's representation on- quotas. and i mean, i appreciate that gender and race are two different topics. but we see this in comedy all the time. female actor preferred. and then as soon as you get booked, you think, did i get booked because they work did they they like my work or did they book because they needed book me because they needed to tick a box and i just think it is so undermining to the people who getting work. who end up getting the work. it's obviously tick a box it's obviously to tick a box oost — it's obviously to tick a box oost _to— it's obviously to tick a box crest. to bumble, but crest. sorry to bumble, but yoan.— crest. sorry to bumble, but yoan. no— crest. sorry to bumble, but yoan. i— crest. sorry to bumble, but yeah, no, i think- crest. sorry to bumble, but yeah, no, i think you're both nignt.— yeah, no, i think you're both nignt. its— yeah, no, i think you're both nignt. is i— yeah, no, i think you're both right. it's i mean, it takes away— right. it's i mean, it takes away tno— right. it's i mean, it takes away the sort— right. it's i mean, it takes away the sort the away the sort of the achievements you know, achievements and then, you know, noonio— achievements and then, you know, ooono-to— achievements and then, you know, people-to question- achievements and then, you know, people to question and people are going to question and say,— people are going to question and say-noti— people are going to question and say-woit-was- people are going to question and say,-well, .was just- people are going to question and say, well, was just a say, oh, well, that was just a tokonistio— say, oh, well, that was just a tokenistic booking. was, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, booking. was, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, thating. was, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, that wasn't was, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, that wasn't on vas, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, that wasn't on their you know, that wasn't on their monit— you know, that wasn't on their own merit. well,— you know, that wasn't on their own merit. well, look. and it's inonotiiiy— own merit. well, look. and it's incredibly hypocritical well, incredibly hypocritical as well, iooaaso— incredibly hypocritical as well, because-look- incredibly hypocritical as well, because - look at - incredibly hypocritical as well, because look at how much because if you look at how much it oosts— because if you look at how much it oosts to— because if you look at how much it oosts to to— because if you look at how much it costs to be an— because if you look at how much it costs to be an actor and how maon— it costs to be an actor and how maon it— it costs to be an actor and how much it particularly in much it trains, particularly in tnis— much it trains, particularly in tnis in— much it trains, particularly in tnis in tnis— much it trains, particularly in this in this country, they've takon— this in this country, they've takon away— this in this country, they've taken away loads of bursaries. tnoy-no— taken away loads of bursaries. they've increased— taken away loads of bursaries. they've increased fees . so they've increased the fees. so aoting— they've increased the fees. so aoting ant— they've increased the fees. so acting and the— they've increased the fees. so acting and the theatre is booming— acting and the theatre is becoming the- acting and the theatre is becoming the preserve of the upper— becoming the preserve of the anon mittio— becoming the preserve of the upper middle class. you don't

noot— upper middle class. you don't noot to. — upper middle class. you don't need to. what— upper middle class. you don't need to. what training, what tnaining— need to. what training, what tnaining to— need to. what training, what training do put— need to. what training, what training do put on a hat and nnotont— training do put on a hat and pnotont yoa— training do put on a hat and pretend you're somebody else tnat-s— pretend you're somebody else tnat-s not. — pretend you're somebody else that's not. well— pretend you're somebody else that's not. well that's what you do. that's not. well that's what you to. noa— that's not. well that's what you to. koa got— that's not. well that's what you to. koa got oat— that's not. well that's what you do. you get out here, mate. you taik— do. you get out here, mate. you taik iiko— do. you get out here, mate. you taik iiko mo— do. you get out here, mate. you talk like me. you're— do. you get out here, mate. you talk like me. you're vegan and yoa— talk like me. you're vegan and yoa ion— talk like me. you're vegan and yoa ion tno— talk like me. you're vegan and you're for the green party. i wont— you're for the green party. i would never— you're for the green party. i would never talk- you're for the green party. i would never talk like you went to itata— would never talk like you went to itata .— would never talk like you went to rada . yeah.— would never talk like you went to rada . yeah. no, i am middle to rada. yeah. no, i am middle oiass— to rada. yeah. no, i am middle class. frances— to rada. yeah. no, i am middle class. frances that's why i'd taik— class. frances that's why i'd never talk like _ class. frances that's why i'd never talk like you anyway, our noat— never talk like you anyway, our noot gaostion— never talk like you anyway, our next question is— never talk like you anyway, our next question is from george, a at— next question is from george, a at nomo. — next question is from george, a viewer at home. why should all noansg— viewer at home. why should all noansg io— viewer at home. why should all vegans be embarrassed this is notating— vegans be embarrassed this is notating to— vegans be embarrassed this is relating to bear— vegans be embarrassed this is relating to bear grylls, who says— relating to bear grylls, who says tnai— relating to bear grylls, who says that he's— relating to bear grylls, who says that he's embarrassed that he says that he's embarrassed that no oon— says that he's embarrassed that he ever promoted— says that he's embarrassed that he ever promoted veganism and now shuns veggies completely in iaoa— now shuns veggies completely in iaoa oi— now shuns veggies completely in iaoa oi not— now shuns veggies completely in favour of red meat.— now shuns veggies completely in favour of red meat. sounds like ionis— favour of red meat. sounds like lewis schaefer_ favour of red meat. sounds like lewis schaefer grylls, who's now 48, lewis schaefer grylls, who's now as. insists— lewis schaefer grylls, who's now 48, insists his— lewis schaefer grylls, who's now 48, insists his blood and bone tiot— 48, insists his blood and bone marrow diet is— 48, insists his blood and bone marrow diet is much better for his marrow diet is much better for no man — marrow diet is much better for his health. nutrition expert siammot— his health. nutrition expert slammed both— his health. nutrition expert slammed both his unhelpful comments and— slammed both his unhelpful comments and his food choices. ino— comments and his food choices. ino ioonio— comments and his food choices. the iconic adventurer and tv nnosonton— the iconic adventurer and tv presenter claimed he's never toit— presenter claimed he's never ioit stnongon— presenter claimed he's never felt stronger and— presenter claimed he's never felt stronger and that his skin ant— felt stronger and that his skin ant gat— felt stronger and that his skin ant gat nano— felt stronger and that his skin and gut have never been better. aiton— and gut have never been better. aiton timing— and gut have never been better. after binning a— and gut have never been better. after binning a plant based tot.— after binning a plant based diet, kristin— after binning a plant based diet, kristin ,_ after binning a plant based diet, kristin , what do you make diet, kristin, what do you make of

diet, kristin, what do you make oi tnisi— diet, kristin, what do you make oi tits? on.— diet, kristin, what do you make of this? oh, it's— diet, kristin, what do you make of this? oh, it's the same staii. — of this? oh, it's the same staii. isn-t— of this? oh, it's the same stuff, isn't it? - of this? oh, it's the same stuff, isn't it? bitty : stuff, isn't it? why does everybody have to be so extreme? why does he have to go from lentils only to bone marrow only? why don't you calm down and eat a balanced diet? bear grylls. yeah, he can't.- and eat a balanced diet? bear grylls. yeah, he can't. i- at: i: t: tix7 bear grylls. yeah, he can't. i mean, im— grylls. yeah, he can't. i mean, i-m-no-s— grylls. yeah, he can't. i mean, i-m-no-s not.- grylls. yeah, he can't. i mean, i'm-he's not. he's. i'm surprised he's not. he's oating—antl i'm surprised he's not. he's. eating—and blood. eating bone marrow and blood. i'm eating bone marrow and blood. i-m—not- eating bone marrow and blood. i-m—not oatingl i'm surprised he's not eating iiko— i'm surprised he's not eating iiko-a— i'm surprised he's not eating iiko-a inom- i'm surprised he's not eating like-a from a- i'm surprised he's not eating like-a from a live| like eyes from a from a live snoop— like eyes from a from a live snoop wniio— like eyes from a from a live sheep while he's- like eyes from a from a live sheep while he's wrestling. i moan-is— sheep while he's wrestling. i moan-is a— sheep while he's wrestling. i moan-is a gay- sheep while he's wrestling. i mean, is a guy who claims, mean, this is a guy who claims, isn-t— mean, this is a guy who claims, isn-tltno— mean, this is a guy who claims, isn't-the youngest- mean, this is a guy who claims, isn't the youngest person to isn't he the youngest person to otimi— isn't he the youngest person to otimi- — isn't he the youngest person to otimi- |ton-t- isn't he the youngest person to climb- .don't know.| isn't he the youngest person to. climb- .don't know. i'm climb everest? i don't know. i'm not that familiar with his work, to be honest. but i think this im— to be honest. but i think this in tast— to be honest. but i think this in inst-tast— to be honest. but i think this i'm just-just amazed.- but i think this i'm just just amazed. he's i'm just i'm just amazed. he's as. — i'm just i'm just amazed. he's as. |tnoagnt— i'm just i'm just amazed. he's asltnoagnt i— i'm just i'm just amazed. he's 48. thought i thought was 48. i thought i thought he was 12 48. i thought i thought he was to kno— 48. i thought i thought he was it kyiw naming— 48. i thought i thought he was 12 kyiv running about in shorts, twing— 12 kyiv running about in shorts, iiwing iiko— 12 kyiv running about in shorts, iiwing iiko a— 12 kyiv running about in shorts, living like a-scout- living like a boy scout pomotaatiy- living like a boy scout- perpetually. - lifestyle perpetually. is that a lifestyle yoa-t— perpetually. is that a lifestyle yoa-t enjoy? — perpetually. is that a lifestyle yoa-t enjoy? i— perpetually. is that a lifestyle you'd enjoy? : i you'd enjoy? i would, actually. woan— you'd enjoy? i would, actually. noan-oan-t— you'd enjoy? i would, actually. yeah,-can't believe. yeah, i would. i can't believe tnono-s— yeah, i would. i can't believe tnono-s a— yeah, i would. i can't believe there's a vegan— yeah, i would. i can't believe there's a vegan called bear owns.— there's a vegan called bear onyiis. i— there's a vegan called bear grylls. i mean,— there's a vegan called bear grylls. i mean, like , that is grylls. i mean, like, that is ridiculous.— grylls. i mean, like, that is ridiculous. when have you seen a nogan— ridiculous. when have you seen a nogan gniiii— ridiculous. when have you seen a vegan grill? anything? do you know— vegan grill? anything? do you know wnat— vegan grill? anything? do you know wnat i— vegan grill? anything? do you know what i mean? and if you tnink— know what i mean? and if you tnink oi— know what i mean? and if you tnink oi a— know what i mean? and if you think of a vegan— know what i mean? and if you think of a vegan animal, you're not going— think of a vegan animal, you're not going to— think of a vegan animal, you're not going to think— think of a vegan animal, you're not going to think of a bear. noan. — not going to think of a bear. noan. ioo— not going to think of a bear. noan. i>o yoa— not going to think of a bear. yeah. do you think if he was oaiiot— yeah. do you think if he was called carrot— yeah. do you think if he was called carrot steamer? yes atsoiatoiy. — called carrot steamer? yes absolutely. _you- called carrot steamer? yes absolutely. you go. yes absolutely. then you go. yes nos.— absolutely. then you go. yes yes. - excellent. - absolutely. then you go. yes yes. excellent. this is yes. yeah. excellent. this is wnat— yes. yeah. excellent. this is wnat i— yes. yeah. excellent. this is what i think— yes. yeah. excellent. this is what i think a— yes. yeah. excellent. this is what i think a vegan is. yeah omis— what i think a vegan is. yeah onnis nano— what i think a vegan is. yeah chris, have you— what i think a vegan is. yeah chris, have you ever tried a

giant— chris, have you ever tried a giant iasot— chris, have you ever tried a plant based diet? i have, yeah. did plant based diet? i have, yeah. on a— plant based diet? i have, yeah. did a couple of years on that. had a youth, haven't we? it was fun. i didn't any fun. i didn't feel any different. we're so different. i think we're so spoilt for food in the west, you know, it was so not everybody, but was fine. i went but i mean, it was fine. i went to holland and barrett and bought the pretend cheese and coped on with it. but coped and moved on with it. but i think he should be a bit i do think he should be a bit embarrassed because if you promote anything interferes promote anything that interferes with to with other people's lives to that extent, you then kind of, yeah, be embarrassed. yeah, you should be embarrassed. you've this you've caused them to take this great step. so you think, you tnink— great step. so you think, you think dozens— great step. so you think, you think dozens of— t;iti;a so you think, you think dozens of people could be now—inoatn- now getting out of breath, waiking— now getting out of breath, watking an— now getting out of breath, walking up stairs because of ooan— walking up stairs because of bear-promoting- walking up stairs because of bear promoting maybe. cit” bear grylls promoting maybe. or maybe— bear grylls promoting maybe. or maybe-spont— bear grylls promoting maybe. or maybe-spent-muchl maybe they just spent too much money i don't know. but money on tofu? i don't know. but yeah, tell other yeah, i wouldn't tell other people do. i suppose people what to do. i suppose that's he should that's why he should be embarrassed. he should give the monoy—nis— embarrassed. he should give the money-his cookbooks,| money back from his cookbooks, onono— money back from his cookbooks, onono-natty— money back from his cookbooks, prove-really sorry,- money back from his cookbooks, prove really sorry, mate. prove he's really sorry, mate. noam— prove he's really sorry, mate. noan. tot-s— prove he's really sorry, mate. yeah. let's have— prove he's really sorry, mate. yeah. let's have some of that. owns— yeah. let's have some of that. owns-noam- yeah. let's have some of that. grylls yeah. donate grylls anyway. yeah. donate it toliatonon. — grylls anyway. yeah. donate it to butcher. anyway, our to a butcher. yeah. anyway, our noat— to a butcher. yeah. anyway, our nost—inom - to a butcher. yeah. anyway, our next—from peter.- next question is from peter. ioton— next question is from peter. noon—okay.- next question is from peter.- peter_okay. should peter over here. okay. should teenagers the vote or do you teenagers get the vote or do you think they're still bit too think they're still a bit too immature politically ? should immature politically? should teenagers get the— immature politically? should teenagers get the vote?- i 7 should teenagers get the vote? this is sir teenagers get the vote? this is sin koin— teenagers get the vote? this is sir keir starmer_

teenagers get the vote? this is sir keir starmer is— teenagers get the vote? this is sir keir starmer is considering nians— sir keir starmer is considering ntanslaiiow— sir keir starmer is considering plans allow millions of eu plans to allow millions of eu oitizon— plans to allow millions of eu oitizon to— plans to allow millions of eu citizen to vote— plans to allow millions of eu citizen to vote in— plans to allow millions of eu citizen to vote in general oiootions— citizen to vote in general elections under labour goommont- elections under labour government. and they're also matting— government. and they're also mulling whether— government. and they're also mulling whether to expand the woto — mulling whether to expand the woto to — mulling whether to expand the woto to to— mulling whether to expand the vote to 16 and— mulling whether to expand the vote to 16 and 17— mulling whether to expand the vote to 16 and 17 year olds, wnion— vote to 16 and 17 year olds, which seems— vote to 16 and 17 year olds, which seems insane to me because the which seems insane to me because to yoangon— which seems insane to me because to yoangon yoa— which seems insane to me because to yoangon yoa got.— which seems insane to me because the younger you get, the more stanit— the younger you get, the more stapit yoa— the younger you get, the more stapit yoa got— the younger you get, the more stapit yoa got . — the younger you get, the more stupid you get . tv4i;wit v“ the younger you get, the more stupid you get . 4 stupid you get. yeah, that sounds reasonable to me . yeah, sounds reasonable to me. yeah, well, they're not allowed to do anything else, are they? they're not allowed to smoke, get married. what else can't married. and what else can't they do? drive when does that start. so can drive. you can start. so you can drive. you can start. so you can drive. you can start at 16, so you— start. so you can drive. you can start at 16, so you-drive- start. so you can drive. you can start at 16, so you-drive to. start at 16, so you can drive to tno— start at 16, so you can drive to to potting— start at 16, so you can drive to to potting-nat- start at 16, so you can drive to the polling-but no,i the polling station. but no, its— the polling station. but no, its-yoang.— the polling station. but no, it's young, isn't it? i it's too young, isn't it? i mean, it's just it's far too young. yeah. and francis, do you think we should also look at perhaps ruling, ruling it back from absolutely. from women? yes, absolutely. i i— from women? yes, absolutely. i mean, i mean, there— 7 yes, absolutely. i mean, i mean, there are some angamonts— mean, i mean, there are some angamonts ion— mean, i mean, there are some arguments for this. ja arguments for this. paul davis aotaaiiy— arguments for this. paul davis actually argues for this because it would support her political leanings if because these aren't my opinion, these opinions are not mine. but she she wants that so right wing people so that more right wing people will vote and she'll get the party wants. yeah, well, party she wants. yeah, well, tnat-s— party she wants. yeah, well, mats—att- party she wants. yeah, well,j that's—all about. party she wants. yeah, well,i that's—all about. i that's what this is all about. i

mean,-starmer- that's what this is all about. i mean, starmer and labour, mean, keir starmer and labour, tnoy— mean, keir starmer and labour, tnoy want— mean, keir starmer and labour, tnoy want an— mean, keir starmer and labour, they want an electorate who's mono-to— they want an electorate who's mono-to noto— they want an electorate who's more to vote labour. so more likely to vote labour. so by-ini_ more likely to vote labour. so toy-in i— more likely to vote labour. so toy-in i ant,- more likely to vote labour. so by-in, i think, £6- by bringing in, i think, £6 tiiion— by bringing in, i think, £6 tittion 6— by bringing in, i think, £6 billion, 6 million, sorry, we're not.— billion, 6 million, sorry, we're not. mat-s— billion, 6 million, sorry, we're not. inat-s 6— billion, 6 million, sorry, we're not. that's 6 million eu nationais— not. that's 6 million eu nationals who- not. that's 6 million eu nationals who live in the uk. i tnoy-no— nationals who live in the uk. i mean they're assuming that tnoy-no— mean they're assuming that tnoy-no going— mean they're assuming that tnoy-no going to— mean they're assuming that they're going to going to vote toit— they're going to going to vote ioit wing.— they're going to going to vote ioit wing. i— they're going to going to vote left wing. i mean, i think that is tno— left wing. i mean, i think that is to iinst— left wing. i mean, i think that is the first time— left wing. i mean, i think that is the first time around. a bit of is the first time around. a bit oi an— is the first time around. a bit of an assumption. i think we've s-oonknow— of an assumption. i think we've seen, know, certainly, you seen, you know, certainly, you know.— seen, you know, certainly, you know-sooont- seen, you know, certainly, you know, - second and i know, especially second and mint— know, especially second and third immigrants know, especially second and. third—immigrants can third generation immigrants can can _conservative. i can become quite conservative. kyin— can become quite conservative. kyiw nat— can become quite conservative. kyiw nat is— can become quite conservative. kyiv but is something i know in sootiant— kyiv but is something i know in sootiant tno — kyiv but is something i know in scotland the snp— kyiv but is something i know in scotland the snp was looking at this scotland the snp was looking at tnis tooaaso— scotland the snp was looking at this because, you— scotland the snp was looking at this because, you know, young ioonio— this because, you know, young pebble ano— this because, you know, young pebble yoang— this because, you know, young people are young and idealistic and people are young and idealistic ant oomnioto— people are young and idealistic and complete idiots. they takon-t— and complete idiots. they haven't had— and complete idiots. they haven't had that life experience tnai— haven't had that life experience tnat toits— haven't had that life experience tnat toits yoa— haven't had that life experience that tells you, listen, you oan-t— that tells you, listen, you can't follow _ that tells you, listen, you can't follow an- that tells you, listen, you can't follow an ideology vote. tony— can't follow an ideology vote. tony woan— can't follow an ideology vote. tory yeah, well,— can't follow an ideology vote. tory yeah, well, it's a very goot— tory yeah, well, it's a very goot point.— tory yeah, well, it's a very good point, but- tory yeah, well, it's a very good point, but if you think aioat— good point, but if you think atoat n,— good point, but if you think about it, imagine if jeremy oontyn— about it, imagine if jeremy oontyn nat— about it, imagine if jeremy corbyn had 6— about it, imagine if jeremy corbyn had 6 million people oktna— corbyn had 6 million people oktna noting— corbyn had 6 million people extra voting for— corbyn had 6 million people extra voting for him . he still extra voting for him. he still wont— extra voting for him. he still woait nano— extra voting for him. he still would have lost— extra voting for him. he still would have lost .— extra voting for him. he still would have lost . there's no way would have lost. there's no way he would have lost. there's no way no woait— would have lost. there's no way he would have— would have lost. there's no way he would have actually made it. took.— he would have actually made it. took. tno— he would have actually made it. look, the reality— he would have actually made it. look, the reality is— he would have actually made it. look, the reality is people woait— look, the reality is people would have— look, the reality is people would have been upset, would nano— would have been upset, would nano ioon— would have been upset, would have been fantastic. yeah. look, the have been fantastic. yeah. look, to noaiity— have been fantastic. yeah. look, to noaiity is— have been fantastic. yeah. look, the reality is it's— have been fantastic. yeah. look, the reality is it's a— have been fantastic. yeah. look, the reality is it's a deeply oynioai— the reality is it's a deeply oynioat ploy— the reality is it's a deeply

oynioat ploy ty- the reality is it's a deeply cynical ploy by labour cynical ploy by the labour itanty — cynical ploy by the labour itanty _tnoy-no- cynical ploy by the labour party. they're trying to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're they're trying to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're looking'e trying to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're looking at rying to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're looking at this] to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're looking at this whole is they're looking at this whole soiootion— is they're looking at this whole soiootion oi— is they're looking at this whole selection of voters— is they're looking at this whole selection of voters . they know selection of voters. they know tnai— selection of voters. they know tnat tnoy— selection of voters. they know that they skew— selection of voters. they know that they skew left because young— that they skew left because young pebble— that they skew left because young people frequently do . and young people frequently do. and tnon— young people frequently do. and tnon tnoy— young people frequently do. and then they think— young people frequently do. and then they think that actually tnai— then they think that actually mat is— then they think that actually mat is a— then they think that actually mat is a way— then they think that actually that is a way for— then they think that actually that is a way for them to be atto— that is a way for them to be aiio to— that is a way for them to be able to secure— that is a way for them to be able to secure this entire group of able to secure this entire group oi ioonio— able to secure this entire group oi noonto. mako— able to secure this entire group of people, make them more oiootatio— of people, make them more electable and— of people, make them more electable and not actually have to nano— electable and not actually have to have decent— electable and not actually have to have decent policies when noaiiy— to have decent policies when noatiy att— to have decent policies when really all they— to have decent policies when really all they need to do is waton— really all they need to do is waton a— really all they need to do is watch a conservative party drive tnis— watch a conservative party drive tnis ooantny— watch a conservative party drive this country off— watch a conservative party drive this country off a— watch a conservative party drive this country off a cliff and tast— this country off a cliff and iast go— this country off a cliff and iast go noto— this country off a cliff and just go vote for- this country off a cliff and just go vote for us. we've got no notioios— just go vote for us. we've got no policies which _ just go vote for us. we've got no policies which is going to be the no policies which is going to be to noat— no policies which is going to be the next general— no policies which is going to be the next general election. yeah, it's the next general election. yeah, its a— the next general election. yeah, its a noaiiy— the next general election. yeah, it's a really inspired election nnoposition— it's a really inspired election anoposition .— it's a really inspired election proposition . know we've got proposition. know we've got a gaostion— proposition. know we've got a gaostion inom— proposition. know we've got a question from tricia, who's omaiiot— question from tricia, who's omaiiot in— question from tricia, who's emailed in should fat people be togaiiy— emailed in should fat people be legally protected— emailed in should fat people be legally protected from weight discrimination?— legally protected from weight discrimination? they're called ioonio— discrimination? they're called pebble oi— discrimination? they're called people of weight. leo so fat ioonio— people of weight. leo so fat pebble witt— people of weight. leo so fat people will be— people of weight. leo so fat people will be protected from discrimination— people will be protected from discrimination under law passed in wow— discrimination under law passed in wow wonk— discrimination under law passed in new york, as— discrimination under law passed in new york, as critics warn it oaons— in new york, as critics warn it oaons a— in new york, as critics warn it oaons a too— in new york, as critics warn it oaons a toon to— in new york, as critics warn it opens a door to sue anyone and ononytning.— opens a door to sue anyone and ononytning. i— opens a door to sue anyone and everything. i mean,— opens a door to sue anyone and everything. i mean, how are they going— everything. i mean, how are they going to— everything. i mean, how are they going to ioo— everything. i mean, how are they going to enforce that on tinder? mat-s— going to enforce that on tinder? inat-s wnat— going to enforce that on tinder? inat-s wnat i— going to enforce that on tinder? that's what i want— going to enforce that on tinder? that's what i want to know. took.— that's what i want to know. took. took.— that's what i want to know. look, look, i'm— that's what i want to know.

look, look, i'm just going to say,— look, look, i'm just going to sayi-i_ look, look, i'm just going to say-i iook— look, look, i'm just going to say,-i feel-for. look, look, i'm just going to say,-i feel-for fatj say, look, i feel sorry for fat ioonio— say, look, i feel sorry for fat poopto. tnoy— say, look, i feel sorry for fat people. they don't have their own—to- people. they don't have their own—to tnoyi- people. they don't have their- own_do they? there's own movement, do they? there's no-ion— own movement, do they? there's no-ion iat— own movement, do they? there's no -for fat people. - own movement, do they? there's no for fat people. big lives no blm for fat people. big lives matton— no blm for fat people. big lives matter. thank— no blm for fat people. big lives matter. thank you. _ no blm for fat people. big lives matter. thank you. that's it for wow— matter. thank you. that's it for me. now retiring— matter. thank you. that's it for me. now retiring after that one ioty— me. now retiring after that one toty positivity— me. now retiring after that one body positivity movement, sanoiyi— body positivity movement, surely? yeah,— body positivity movement, surely? yeah, but no one's on boat— surely? yeah, but no one's on boat witn— surely? yeah, but no one's on board with that— surely? yeah, but no one's on board with that .— surely? yeah, but no one's on board with that . you can only board with that. you can only nano— board with that. you can only two aioat— board with that. you can only have about three _ board with that. you can only have about three people on boat. — have about three people on boat. i— have about three people on board. i think— have about three people on board. i think it's- have about three people on board. c c “a: board. i think it's a bit mad, isn't it? i remember reading a ben elton novel when i was a teenager where everybody gets really angry with each other and at the they all try and sue at the end they all try and sue god and not that unlikely god and it's not that unlikely now, it? yeah, i mean, yeah. now, is it? yeah, i mean, yeah. and it seems it seems strange to tama— and it seems it seems strange to lump discrimination in with lump this discrimination in with otnon— lump this discrimination in with other characters— lump this discrimination in with other characters mistakes such as race or sexuality, which, you know.— as race or sexuality, which, you know. yoa — as race or sexuality, which, you know. yoa ton-t— as race or sexuality, which, you know, you don't pick and choose. i know, you don't pick and choose. i moan— know, you don't pick and choose. i mean, we've , well,— know, you don't pick and choose. i mean, we've , well, we've i mean, we've, well, we've gonton— i mean, we've, well, we've gonton yoa— i mean, we've, well, we've gonton yoa oan— i mean, we've, well, we've gender you can now pick and oooson— gender you can now pick and oooson mato. — gender you can now pick and choose mate. yeah but gender you can choose mate. yeah but gender you niok— choose mate. yeah but gender you niok ant— choose mate. yeah but gender you can pick and choose.— choose mate. yeah but gender you can pick and choose. but with, i witn— can pick and choose. but with, i mean with obesity— can pick and choose. but with, i mean with obesity you can pick ant—to- mean with obesity you can pick ant—to ononl mean with obesity you can pick. and _to open that and choose whether to open that initgo— and choose whether to open that initgo toon. — and choose whether to open that fridge door. it's— and choose whether to open that fridge door. it's not— and choose whether to open that fridge door. it's not the same as race.imean_ fridge door. it's not the same as race.imean the- fridge door. it's not the same as race. mean the fact to me as race. i mean the fact to me is ioyont— as race. i mean the fact to me is toyont panoty— as race. i mean the fact to me is beyond parody. the fact that ioonio— is beyond parody. the fact that pebble tnono—

is beyond parody. the fact that people there are— is beyond parody. the fact that people there are fat activists ant— people there are fat activists ant tnoy— people there are fat activists and they equate— people there are fat activists and they equate their struggle witn— and they equate their struggle witn tno— and they equate their struggle with the civil— and they equate their struggle with the civil rights activists. wnat— with the civil rights activists. wnat nations— with the civil rights activists. what happens if— with the civil rights activists. what happens if they get too aotino— what happens if they get too aotino ant— what happens if they get too active and start— what happens if they get too active and start losing that woignti— active and start losing that weight? yeah,— active and start losing that weight? yeah, that's a bit of a conundrum. yeah.- weight? yeah, that's a bit of a conundrum. tv4i;wit v“ �*7 iti; conundrum. yeah. if you're a peaceful , fat person and you peaceful, fat person and you just completely mortified by this and you're thinking, oh god, now people aren't going to employ i work in employ me, even though i work in it, it doesn't matter that it, and it doesn't matter that i can't around. would just can't run around. i would just be so embarrassed, wouldn't you? would you comfort, eat, would it make you comfort, eat, i would it make you comfort, eat, i — would it make you comfort, eat, i nos.— would it make you comfort, eat, i nos. it— would it make you comfort, eat, i mean. yes, it would. it would , i i mean. yes, it would. it would .-i moan— i mean. yes, it would. it would .-i tno— i mean. yes, it would. it would ,-i mean, the entire- i mean. yes, it would. it would , i mean, the entire thing , yeah. i mean, the entire thing is nitioaioas— , yeah. i mean, the entire thing is ridiculous and— , yeah. i mean, the entire thing is ridiculous and it— , yeah. i mean, the entire thing is ridiculous and it shows in a way— is ridiculous and it shows in a way now— is ridiculous and it shows in a way how comfortable we've become as a sooioty— way how comfortable we've become as a sooioty tnai— way how comfortable we've become as a society that fat— way how comfortable we've become as a society that fat people now itontiiy— as a society that fat people now itontiiy as— as a society that fat people now itontiiy as an— as a society that fat people now identify as an oppressed group. do identify as an oppressed group. to yoa— identify as an oppressed group. do you remember— identify as an oppressed group. do you remember when they just itontiiiot— do you remember when they just itontiiiot as— do you remember when they just identified as jolly— do you remember when they just identified as jolly ? do you identified as jolly? do you remember that? yeah. you know , remember that? yeah. you know, tnai— remember that? yeah. you know, tnat was— remember that? yeah. you know, tnat it.— remember that? yeah. you know, that was it. oh,— remember that? yeah. you know, that was it. oh, he's fat. he's ianny— that was it. oh, he's fat. he's ianny .— that was it. oh, he's fat. he's ianny . noam— that was it. oh, he's fat. he's funny . yeah. you— that was it. oh, he's fat. he's funny . yeah. you know, obviously funny. yeah. you know, obviously toon— funny. yeah. you know, obviously some deep seated— funny. yeah. you know, obviously some deep seated trauma, which no— some deep seated trauma, which no oats— some deep seated trauma, which means he eats too— some deep seated trauma, which means he eats too much. but it tno— means he eats too much. but it tno oos.— means he eats too much. but it was the 90s. no— means he eats too much. but it was the 90s. no one cared and. noan. — was the 90s. no one cared and. noan. ant— was the 90s. no one cared and. noan. ant wo— was the 90s. no one cared and. yeah. and we had— was the 90s. no one cared and. yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind of yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind oi wonkot— yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind oi wonkot. nat— yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind of worked. but this— yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind of worked. but this is getting away— of worked. but this is getting away-it— of worked. but this is getting away-it toing- of worked. but this is getting away it being problem, away from it being a problem, isn-t— away from it being a problem, isn-t-it-s— away from it being a problem, isn't-it's pretending- away from it being a problem, isn't : v“; isn't it? it's pretending that it's not a problem. and i'm

afraid i'm opinion that afraid i'm of the opinion that it problem. um, for the it is a problem. um, for the person suffering it. yeah. and it's person suffering it. yeah. and its somotning— person suffering it. yeah. and it's something that— v“ v“; c yeah. and it's something that perhaps ioonio— it's something that perhaps. ooono—know. people need a spur, you know, fort— people need a spur, you know, ion-goot— people need a spur, you know, ion-goot oi— people need a spur, you know, for,-good of their- for, for the good of their noatn.— for, for the good of their man i— for, for the good of their health. i know- for, for the good of their health. i know we've got a movement of— health. i know we've got a movement of people saying you can movement of people saying you io— movement of people saying you to noaitny— movement of people saying you can be healthy at— movement of people saying you can be healthy at any size. you oan-t— can be healthy at any size. you oan-t noaiiy— can be healthy at any size. you can't really be— can be healthy at any size. you can't really be healthy at 32 stono— can't really be healthy at 32 stone-afraid _ can't really be healthy at 32 stone-afraid it's- stone i'm afraid it's ridiculous.- stone i'm afraid it's ridiculous. die young. and they aiways—to- ridiculous. die young. and they aiways—to a- ridiculous. die young. and they always—to a lot- ridiculous. die young. and they always—to a lot of. always try to trade to a lot of ioonio— always try to trade to a lot of pebble tnain— always try to trade to a lot of people train me— always try to trade to a lot of people train me excuses. they say,— people train me excuses. they saya-n— people train me excuses. they say,-an overactive- say, i've got an overactive tnynoit— say, i've got an overactive tnynoitlan— say, i've got an overactive thyroid an underactive thyroid or an underactive tnynoit— thyroid or an underactive thyroid whatever. thyroid or whatever. it's no, yoa— thyroid or whatever. it's no, yoano-an— thyroid or whatever. it's no, you've an overactive you've got an overactive elbow tnai— you've got an overactive elbow mat is— you've got an overactive elbow mat is iiiting— you've got an overactive elbow that is lifting kebab off that is lifting the kebab off yoan— that is lifting the kebab off yoan-yoa- that is lifting the kebab off yoan-yoa know- that is lifting the kebab off your you know what? that is lifting the kebab off- your-you know what? so your face. do you know what? so ononytoty—so - your face. do you know what? so ononytoty—so so- your face. do you know what? so everybody—so so my. everybody will know. so so my moms—nignti- everybody will know. so so my mom's—right? and| everybody will know. so so my. mom's—right? and my mom's venezuelan, right? and my anoio— mom's venezuelan, right? and my uncle-morbidly— mom's venezuelan, right? and my uncle morbidly obese and he uncle was morbidly obese and he aiways— uncle was morbidly obese and he aiways sait.— uncle was morbidly obese and he aiways an, on.— uncle was morbidly obese and he always said, oh, i've got an underactive— always said, oh, i've got an underactive thyroid . whatever it underactive thyroid. whatever it is, underactive thyroid. whatever it isliig— underactive thyroid. whatever it isltig tonot— underactive thyroid. whatever it is, big boned, whatever is, i'm big boned, whatever i oan-t— is, i'm big boned, whatever i oan-t toso— is, i'm big boned, whatever i can't lose weight. i've tried ononytning.— can't lose weight. i've tried everything, call— can't lose weight. i've tried everything, call mechanism came can't lose weight. i've tried evtwoting, call mechanism came can't lose weight. i've tried ev two years. all mechanism came can't lose weight. i've tried evtwo years. normal anism came can't lose weight. i've tried ev two years. normal weight,ame in two years. normal weight, nignt— in two years. normal weight, nignt i— in two years. normal weight, right ? socialism _ in two years. normal weight, right ? socialism is the solution right? socialism is the solution to otosity— right? socialism is the solution to obesity. exactly— right? socialism is the solution to obesity. exactly it's not tooaaso— to obesity. exactly it's not because look— to obesity. exactly it's not because look at- to obesity. exactly it's not because look at scotland . that's because look at scotland. that's not sooiaiism— because look at scotland. that's not socialism .— because look at scotland. that's not socialism . that's just not socialism. that's just gotting— not socialism. that's just gotting monoy- not socialism. that's just getting money from england and sponting— getting money from england and sponting it— getting money from england and sponting it on— getting money from england and spending it on mars bars. anyway.— spending it on mars bars. anyway. oa— spending it on mars bars. anyway, our final question is non— anyway, our final question is inom anika— anyway, our final question is inom anika .— anyway, our final question is from anika . is— anyway, our final question is

from anika . is anika in the from anika. is anika in the statio— from anika. is anika in the statio nignt— from anika. is anika in the studio right here? 4 : studio right here? yeah. should fat cats stop working from the country homes ? is this is not country homes? is this is not fat country homes? is this is not iat oats?— country homes? is this is not fat cats? well,— country homes? is this is not fat cats? well, no. _ ti.tix. 7 is this is not fat cats? well, no. we've just ioon— fat cats? well, no. we've just toon taiking— fat cats? well, no. we've just been talking about fat people. inis— been talking about fat people. no is— been talking about fat people. no is not— been talking about fat people. this is not literal— been talking about fat people. this is not literal fat cats. inis— this is not literal fat cats. tits is— this is not literal fat cats. tits is iat— this is not literal fat cats. this is fat cats. - this is not literal fat cats. this is fat cats. stop working inom— this is fat cats. stop working inom tomo— this is fat cats. stop working from home in— this is fat cats. stop working from home in their country. nansions— from home in their country. nansions is— from home in their country. mansions is wealthy company managers are told to stop wonking— managers are told to stop working from _ managers are told to stop working from home in their ooantny— working from home in their ooantny pats— working from home in their country pads and come back into the country pads and come back into tno-rast— country pads and come back into tno-rast-tnoin- country pads and come back into the _just-their lower. the office just like their lower paid— the office just like their lower paid-|— the office just like their lower paid-u men— the office just like their lower paid i mean, what do you paid staff. i mean, what do you make— paid staff. i mean, what do you make ef— paid staff. i mean, what do you make of mm— paid staff. i mean, what do you make of this, chris? will make of this, chris? well, no, because— make of this, chris? well, no, because the lower paid staff are obviously a lot more fun obviously having a lot more fun running around not doing any work. comes back, work. if the boss comes back, they're going to have to get on with so i'm with it, aren't they? so i'm surprised don't want surprised that they don't want to come back. my experience is usually people at top of usually the people at the top of the chain. they want be the food chain. they want to be there to see what's going on. yeah > and crack the whip. i mean,-are-going- yeah > and crack the whip. i- mean,-are-going.crack mean, how are you going to crack the mean, how are you going to crack me amm— mean, how are you going to crack the mm m— mean, how are you going to crack the whip if you're— mean, how are you going to crack the whip if you're if— mean, how are you going to crack the whip if you're if you're at home— the whip if you're if you're at home? wen,— the whip if you're if you're at home? well, this— the whip if you're if you're at home? well, this it. it's home? well, this is it. it's almost— home? well, this is it. it's almost-nobody- home? well, this is it. it's almost nobody wants to do almost like nobody wants to do any— almost like nobody wants to do any mam.— almost like nobody wants to do any work. basically any work. leo that's basically it, any work. leo that's basically m-me— any work. leo that's basically m-me ne— any work. leo that's basically m-me ne eme— any work. leo that's basically it, it? no one wants to it, isn't it? no one wants to weak. — it, isn't it? no one wants to weak. ne— it, isn't it? no one wants to weak. ne eme— it, isn't it? no one wants to work. no one wants to go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we one wants to go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went /ants to go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went to ts to go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went to the) go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went to the we» to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went to the we had the pandemic— work. we went to the we had the pandemic where— work. we went to the we had the pandemic where we— work. we went to the we had the pandemic where we basically sat down.— pandemic where we basically sat down. me— pandemic where we basically sat down. the government gave us mee— down. the government gave us free money—

down. the government gave us free money subsequently free money and they subsequently aamkea— free money and they subsequently aamkeae— free money and they subsequently tankeis happening— free money and they subsequently tankeis happening all around the what is happening all around the meme.— what is happening all around the meme. banke— what is happening all around the world. banks are— what is happening all around the world. banks are collapsing. we dam-a— world. banks are collapsing. we dame-tam— world. banks are collapsing. we aem-a-aam-m- don't really talk about it became— don't really talk about it became-a- don't really talk about it- because-a.depressing. because it's a bit depressing. so because it's a bit depressing. sea—eme- because it's a bit depressing. se—eme aa- because it's a bit depressing.| so_sits at home so everyone just sits at home ama— so everyone just sits at home ama-aeee— so everyone just sits at home ama-aeee-aml and basically does about an mam-e— and basically does about an hour's-before- and basically does about an. hour's-before-playing hour's work before just playing solitaire.— hour's work before just playing solitaire—a- solitaire. and we've seen i me— solitaire. and we've seen i mean, the statistics came out mamma— mean, the statistics came out emewme mae— mean, the statistics came out showing that a— mean, the statistics came out showing that a huge number of people— showing that a huge number of people ae— showing that a huge number of people mew— showing that a huge number of people are now sickness people are now claiming sickness benefit— people are now claiming sickness benefit-game— people are now claiming sickness benefit-going-sick- benefit and going on the sick became—yea- benefit and going on the sick because—you can benefit and going on the sick. because—you can do because i mean, you you can do it mere— because i mean, you you can do it easem— because i mean, you you can do it more easily now— because i mean, you you can do it more easily now and getting signed— it more easily now and getting signed-50— it more easily now and getting signed-50 they— it more easily now and getting signed so they can still signed off so they can still enjoy— signed off so they can still enjoy-furlough- signed off so they can still enjoy furlough lifestyle of enjoy that furlough lifestyle of ename— enjoy that furlough lifestyle of enema-me — enjoy that furlough lifestyle of sitting .the - and - sitting on the couch and watching— watching netflix. yeah, exactly. so watching netflix. yeah, exactly. se—wmaa- watching netflix. yeah, exactly. se—wmaa mei so why would you do what the amne— so why would you do what the mime-mew— so why would you do what the thing-blew my— so why would you do what the thing blew my mind is there thing that blew my mind is there was thing that blew my mind is there leade— thing that blew my mind is there aeaae ef— thing that blew my mind is there was loads of stories about people,— was loads of stories about people, yea— was loads of stories about people, you know, when the pandemic— people, you know, when the- pandemic—started pandemic happened, they started doing— pandemic happened, they started dame—mem- doing their job. they went actually,— doing their job. they went actually-m— doing their job. they went actually, is really easy. actually, this is really easy. ama— actually, this is really easy. and mem— actually, this is really easy. and then they— actually, this is really easy. and then they another job at and then they got another job at the and then they got another job at me ame— and then they got another job at the same level.— and then they got another job at the same level. so— and then they got another job at the same level. so they were effectively— the same level. so they were effectively doubling their income - didn't. effectively doubling their income didn't tell income and they didn't tell anyone— income and they didn't tell anyoneiso_ income and they didn't tell anyone so working income and they didn't tell- anyoneiso-working from anyone. so they're working from meme— anyone. so they're working from home-more than- anyone. so they're working from home more than one job. home and like more than one job. yeah.— home and like more than one job. veam-emaemme— home and like more than one job. yeah.-smashing it.- home and like more than one job. yeah. smashing it. the only yeah. and smashing it. the only problem—yea- yeah. and smashing it. the only problem—yea maal yeah. and smashing it. the only. problem _you had to problem came is when you had to m fea— problem came is when you had to m for a— problem came is when you had to come in for a meeting and you mad— come in for a meeting and you maalmmk— come in for a meeting and you maalmmk ef— come in for a meeting and you had .think of an— come in for a meeting and you had think of an excuse why had to think of an excuse why you— had to think of an excuse why you comm-a— had to think of an excuse why you couldn't come in. i wonder if .— you couldn't come in. i wonder if . cama— you couldn't come in. i wonder if i could host— you couldn't come in. i wonder if i could host eurovision and do if i could host eurovision and ae-me— if i could host eurovision and ae-me ame- if i could host eurovision and do the same time. this do this at the same time. this is do this at the same time. this as something— do this at the same time. this is something-me- do this at the same time. this is something me to wouldn't is something for me to wouldn't have— is something for me to wouldn't have _outfits. - is something for me to wouldn't have _outfits. yeah.l have to change outfits. yeah. anyway—

have to change outfits. yeah. anyway amu— have to change outfits. yeah. anyway still to _ have to change outfits. yeah. anyway still to on free anyway still to come on free speech nation. have prisons gone wak— speech nation. have prisons gone wak before— speech nation. have prisons gone walk before that,— aacv�* have prisons gone walk before that, though? \»aa»c»" have prisons gone walk before that, though? i'll be treating— walk before that, though? i'll be treating you— walk before that, though? i'll be treating you to my take on where— be treating you to my take on where we— be treating you to my take on where we should— be treating you to my take on where we should be. housing illegal— where we should be. housing mega—yea- where we should be. housing mega—yea ml where we should be. housingi illegal—you in a illegal migrants. see you in a few— illegal migrants. see you in a few-.—

years ago now, this experience me— years ago now, this experience »-ve teamed— years ago now, this experience we learned ef— years ago now, this experience i've learned of turning it aeama— i've learned of turning it around over time is actually people— around over time is actually peepae eae— around over time is actually people care more about my actions— people care more about my actions ama— people care more about my actions and the— people care more about my actions and the man i am today mam— actions and the man i am today than what— actions and the man i am today than what .— actions and the man i am today than what i did— actions and the man i am today than what | did 15,— actions and the man i am today than what i did 15, 20 years age. — than what i did 15, 20 years age. eme— than what i did 15, 20 years ago. life across— than what i did 15, 20 years ago. life across the uk . ago. life across the uk. |waeame— ago. life across the uk. . welcome back- ago. life across the uk. l welcome back to - ago. life across the uk.i . welcome back to free ago. life across the uk. welcome back to free speech nation. with kearse. now nation. with me, leo kearse. now armam— nation. with me, leo kearse. now britain-wrestling- nation. with me, leo kearse. now britain _wrestling with. britain has been wrestling with the britain has been wrestling with ame-ef— britain has been wrestling with ame-at eman— britain has been wrestling with the-of small boat- the issue of small boat eaeeemeg— the issue of small boat crossings for- the issue of small boat crossings for years i've crossings for years now. i've gea— crossings for years now. i've get me — crossings for years now. i've got the perfect— crossings for years now. i've got the perfect solution. if mam-e— got the perfect solution. if meme-me— got the perfect solution. if rishi's the balls to do it. rishi's got the balls to do it. cross—channel— rishi's got the balls to do it. cross—channel migration needs to be stepped. — cross—channel migration needs to be ebebbea. b-e— cross—channel migration needs to be stopped. it's dangerous for the be stopped. it's dangerous for me beebbe— be stopped. it's dangerous for the people doing— be stopped. it's dangerous for the people doing it. it funds emmmab— the people doing it. it funds criminal gangs— the people doing it. it funds criminal gangs and adds to criminal gangs and it adds to the migration— criminal gangs and it adds to the migration burden. with net mbeaabem— the migration burden. with net mbaaabem sea— the migration burden. with net migration set to— the migration burden. with net migration set to top a million abbe— migration set to top a million ame y...— migration set to top a million ame y... .— migration set to top a million this year, i don't— migration set to top a million this year, i don't know where beebbe— this year, i don't know where beebbe are— this year, i don't know where beebbe going— this year, i don't know where people are going to park. people are-are generous- people are going to park. people are are generous asylum are gaming are generous asylum ererem— are gaming are generous asylum systemlcome_ are gaming are generous asylum systemlcome-stav- are gaming are generous asylum. system .come-stay-and system to come and stay here and jumping— system to come and stay here and tambma-aaeae— system to come and stay here and tambmg-aaeae m— system to come and stay here and jumping queue in front jumping the queue in front of beebbe— jumping the queue in front of beebbe-rebbew— jumping the queue in front of people follow rules and people who follow the rules and mam— people who follow the rules and mamarey-— people who follow the rules and many are culturally many of them are culturally aberamr— many of them are culturally distant with _ many of them are culturally distant with attitudes to women

, rebro— distant with attitudes to women , bebre beebbe— distant with attitudes to women , lgbtq people and religion that ebb-r— , lgbtq people and religion that aem-r meeb— , lgbtq people and religion that don't mesh with— , lgbtq people and religion that don't mesh with a— , lgbtq people and religion that don't mesh with a western bberab— don't mesh with a western liberal democracy. so we see grooming— liberal democracy. so we see grooming gange— liberal democracy. so we see grooming gangs and de facto bbaebbemy— grooming gangs and de facto blasphemy laws. the manchester arena— blasphemy laws. the manchester arema bomber— blasphemy laws. the manchester arena bomber was— blasphemy laws. the manchester arena bomber was rescued from bbbya— arena bomber was rescued from bbbya by— arena bomber was rescued from bbbya by me— arena bomber was rescued from libya by the royal— arena bomber was rescued from libya by the royal navy. the member— libya by the royal navy. the liverpool maternity hospital bomber— liverpool maternity hospital bemberrrae— liverpool maternity hospital bomber was an— liverpool maternity hospital bomber was an asylum seeker embe— bomber was an asylum seeker wbbbe mesa— bomber was an asylum seeker while most illegal migrants are just while most illegal migrants are taer rearra— while most illegal migrants are just regular men— while most illegal migrants are just regular men looking for a bearer— just regular men looking for a bearer bre— just regular men looking for a better life, you— just regular men looking for a better life, you don't need many baa— better life, you don't need many bad bree— better life, you don't need many bad re— better life, you don't need many bad ones to have— better life, you don't need many bad ones to have a— better life, you don't need many bad ones to have a big problem. ama— bad ones to have a big problem. ame rer— bad ones to have a big problem. ame fer abb— bad ones to have a big problem. and for all the— bad ones to have a big problem. and for all the talk— bad ones to have a big problem. and for all the talk of seeking asymm— and for all the talk of seeking asylum, cross—channel migrants area-r— asylum, cross—channel migrants arem-rrbeemg— asylum, cross—channel migrants aren't fleeing war. _ asylum, cross—channel migrants aren't fleeing war. they're fleeing— aren't fleeing war. they're fleeing france.— aren't fleeing war. they're fleeing france. france isn't berea— fleeing france. france isn't perfect. there's— fleeing france. france isn't perfect. there's snooty customer eembee— perfect. there's snooty customer eerrbee ,— perfect. there's snooty customer eerrbee , aeg— perfect. there's snooty customer eerrree , beg bee— perfect. there's snooty customer service , dog poo on— perfect. there's snooty customer service , dog poo on the pavement service, dog poo on the pavement ama— service, dog poo on the pavement and rembbe— service, dog poo on the pavement and terrible rock— service, dog poo on the pavement and terrible rock music. but be— and terrible rock music. but are mer— and terrible rock music. but are bar a— and terrible rock music. but it's not a war— and terrible rock music. but it's not a war torn hellhole. so rbeaeb— it's not a war torn hellhole. so even though it's— it's not a war torn hellhole. so even though it's difficult and ambbeaeam— even though it's difficult and unpleasant to— even though it's difficult and unpleasant to do , the issue does unpleasant to do, the issue does need— unpleasant to do, the issue does need be— unpleasant to do, the issue does need be be— unpleasant to do, the issue does need to be tackled.— unpleasant to do, the issue does need to be tackled. the rwanda bram— need to be tackled. the rwanda bbam arrembre— need to be tackled. the rwanda plan attempts to _ need to be tackled. the rwanda plan attempts to do this. a embar— plan attempts to do this. a similar plan— plan attempts to do this. a similar plan successfully reamed— similar plan successfully reduced illegal boats to zero in aberraba.— reduced illegal boats to zero in australia. but— reduced illegal boats to zero in australia. but some people have rarer— australia. but some people have rabem abe— australia. but some people have taken the opportunity to virtue ebgmab— taken the opportunity to virtue eramab saying— taken the opportunity to virtue eramab saying we— taken the opportunity to virtue signal, saying we should have aber— signal, saying we should have open bordere— signal, saying we should have open borders. the archbishop of camrerbam— open borders. the archbishop of camerbam ears— open borders. the archbishop of canterbury says it's morally unacceptable _ canterbury says it's morally unacceptable .— canterbury says it's morally unacceptable . the unelected king unacceptable. the unelected king cbarbee— unacceptable. the unelected king charles called—

unacceptable. the unelected king charles called the— unacceptable. the unelected king charles called the plan appalling- _ charles called the plan appalling. thousands of pious guarabam— appalling. thousands of pious guardian reading lefties make the guardian reading lefties make rbe ame— guardian reading lefties make the same. sankt_ guardian reading lefties make the same. sankt ammonius pronouncements on twitter every dav- — pronouncements on twitter every dav- bar— pronouncements on twitter every day- bar rbeee— pronouncements on twitter every day. but these people are free from— day. but these people are free from be— day. but these people are free from the consequences of illegal mbgrarbem — from the consequences of illegal mrgrarrem king— from the consequences of illegal migration. king charles is surrounded— migration. king charles is surrounded by— migration. king charles is surrounded by armed men and deem-r— surrounded by armed men and aeeem-r meea— surrounded by armed men and doesn't need to— surrounded by armed men and doesn't need to worry about berse— doesn't need to worry about beaee brbeee— doesn't need to worry about house prices or— doesn't need to worry about house prices or getting a bearer-e— house prices or getting a doctor's appointment . justin doctor's appointment. justin welbv— doctor's appointment. justin welby resides— doctor's appointment. justin welby resides at lambeth palace, wbbeb— welby resides at lambeth palace, wbbeb bab— welby resides at lambeth palace, wbbeb bae high— welby resides at lambeth palace, which has high walls and tight eeearbry. — which has high walls and tight security. middle— which has high walls and tight security. middle class guardian reaerae— security. middle class guardian reaera bre— security. middle class guardian readers live in— security. middle class guardian readers live in leafy suburbs far removed— readers live in leafy suburbs far removed from the deprived eemmamrr— far removed from the deprived community edges where migrants are community edges where migrants beaeea. — community edges where migrants are housed. yesterday, historians— are housed. yesterday, historians ,— are housed. yesterday, historians , including the great historians, including the great al historians, including the great ab murray,— historians, including the great al murray, signed a letter saying— al murray, signed a letter saying mar— al murray, signed a letter saying that refugees shouldn't be beaeea— saying that refugees shouldn't be bored ar— saying that refugees shouldn't be housed at raaf scampton , home be housed at raaf scampton, home of be housed at raaf scampton, home or be— be housed at raaf scampton, home of the dambusters. _ be housed at raaf scampton, home of the dambusters. they say bru— of the dambusters. they say br-bb be— of the dambusters. they say it'll be damaging to the armed.— it'll be damaging to the airfield. i'm— it'll be damaging to the airfield. i'm sorry, but if brambme— airfield. i'm sorry, but if plonking hundreds of illegal mbgrame— plonking hundreds of illegal mrgrame em— plonking hundreds of illegal migrants on a— plonking hundreds of illegal migrants on a concrete military raebbry— migrants on a concrete military facility damages— migrants on a concrete military facility damages it. what do you mark— facility damages it. what do you rbmb babbeme— facility damages it. what do you think happens to— facility damages it. what do you think happens to britain's ebeeby— think happens to britain's ebeebr reame— think happens to britain's sleepy towns and villages when aberr— sleepy towns and villages when their population— sleepy towns and villages when their population is tripled evermgbr— their population is tripled overnight with hundreds of mamma— overnight with hundreds of rrabrma age— overnight with hundreds of fighting age men from culturally aberam— fighting age men from culturally distant lands— fighting age men from culturally distant lands in— fighting age men from culturally distant lands in britain, you ear-r— distant lands in britain, you eam-r barba— distant lands in britain, you can't build a— distant lands in britain, you can't build a shed in your garden— can't build a shed in your garden without-

can't build a shed in your garden without spending months germa— garden without spending months aerrma bramme— garden without spending months getting planning permission and camera— getting planning permission and camera from— getting planning permission and consent from the— getting planning permission and consent from the neighbours. but if consent from the neighbours. but m be— consent from the neighbours. but if the government— consent from the neighbours. but if the government can move 1500 asymm— if the government can move 1500 aeybam eeeereb— if the government can move 1500 asylum seekers into— if the government can move 1500 asylum seekers into lynton or newe— asylum seekers into lynton or news without— asylum seekers into lynton or news without checking on anyone, it's news without checking on anyone, be mare. — news without checking on anyone, be mare. se— news without checking on anyone, be mare. se rm— news without checking on anyone, it's nuts. so i'm proposing ame.— it's nuts. so i'm proposing rbbe. bre— it's nuts. so i'm proposing this. we have— it's nuts. so i'm proposing this. we have the technology e-9-_ this. we have the technology e-g- reme— this. we have the technology e.g. using experian to identify beebbe-e— e.g. using experian to identify people's political opinions mem— people's political opinions mam earm— people's political opinions right down to— people's political opinions right down to the household bereb. — right down to the household bereb. se— right down to the household level. so let's— right down to the household level. so let's house cross—channel migrants in the eemmambee— cross—channel migrants in the communities that— cross—channel migrants in the communities that ask for them . communities that ask for them. mem— communities that ask for them. mam embra— communities that ask for them. rishi should get— communities that ask for them. rishi should get should set up the portacabins_ rishi should get should set up the portacabins in leafy , the portacabins in leafy, well—heeled— the portacabins in leafy, well—heeled boroughs next to barrbee— well—heeled boroughs next to barrree erbbma— well—heeled boroughs next to lattice sipping corbynistas. the rrbme— lattice sipping corbynistas. the prime minister— lattice sipping corbynistas. the prime minister should commandeer cbaremee— prime minister should commandeer cbaremee berse— prime minister should commandeer clarence house and— prime minister should commandeer clarence house and lambeth rabaee— clarence house and lambeth rabaee ama— clarence house and lambeth palace and place 100 undocumented migrants in each ber— undocumented migrants in each be be— undocumented migrants in each one. let the chattering classes bre— one. let the chattering classes bre warb— one. let the chattering classes bre wbrb rbe — one. let the chattering classes live with the consequences of aberr— live with the consequences of their opinions— live with the consequences of their opinions when they do, berbabe— their opinions when they do, bemabe abet-u— their opinions when they do, perhaps they'll agree something aeraabby— perhaps they'll agree something aeraabbr bees— perhaps they'll agree something actually does need to be done . actually does need to be done. all actually does need to be done. an ar— actually does need to be done. an or maa— actually does need to be done. all of that, of— actually does need to be done. all of that, of course, is my ebmbem— all of that, of course, is my ebmbem .— all of that, of course, is my ebmrem . ama— all of that, of course, is my opinion . and you're free to opinion. and you're free to areagree— opinion. and you're free to disagree with— opinion. and you're free to disagree with me. let's bring in my bareb—

disagree with me. let's bring in my bare ama— disagree with me. let's bring in my babe and eer— disagree with me. let's bring in my panel and get their thoughts mam. — my panel and get their thoughts mam. se— my panel and get their thoughts mama. so berea— my panel and get their thoughts right. so here's the thing. i mark— right. so here's the thing. i rbmb m— right. so here's the thing. i rbmb m we— right. so here's the thing. i think if we are— right. so here's the thing. i think if we are actually going to discourage— think if we are actually going to discourage people from coming to discourage people from coming re abbe— to discourage people from coming be me eeamrry— to discourage people from coming to this country, what we do is we eer— to this country, what we do is we aer rbem— to this country, what we do is we get them and— to this country, what we do is we get them and then we plonk rbem — we get them and then we plonk rbem m— we get them and then we plonk them in croydon,_ we get them and then we plonk them in croydon, mate. they'll twea— them in croydon, mate. they'll taer wake— them in croydon, mate. they'll twer wake ab,— them in croydon, mate. they'll just wake up, they'll look areama— just wake up, they'll look around and— just wake up, they'll look around and they'll be like , can around and they'll be like, can we-90_ around and they'll be like, can we-ee baew— around and they'll be like, can we-ee baew re- around and they'll be like, can we go back to war? torn we please go back to war? torn syrbae— we please go back to war? torn syrrae webb— we please go back to war? torn syria? well, do _ we please go back to war? torn syria? well, do you— we please go back to war? torn syria? well, do you think i abbe— syria? well, do you think i mean, this this— syria? well, do you think i mean, this this is a serious , a mean, this this is a serious, a berm.— mean, this this is a serious, a serious point. do— mean, this this is a serious, a serious point. do you think beebbe— serious point. do you think- beebbe—berbabe people have, you know, perhaps mem— people have, you know, perhaps rrem warebme— people have, you know, perhaps from watching television shows or , from watching television shows 0.-, rugb— from watching television shows 0.-, wagb bram- from watching television shows or , hugh grant films, or films, hugh grant films, rbey-we— or films, hugh grant films, rbey-we aer— or films, hugh grant films, rbey-we aer am— or films, hugh grant films, they've got an unrealistic expectation _ they've got an unrealistic expectation of— they've got an unrealistic expectation of how nice britain aerwabby— expectation of how nice britain aeraabby be. — expectation of how nice britain actually is. yeah,— expectation of how nice britain actually is. yeah, exactly. we twea— actually is. yeah, exactly. we taer bere— actually is. yeah, exactly. we twer ber-e twea— actually is. yeah, exactly. we just let's just take them on a guided— just let's just take them on a gamer rewr— just let's just take them on a guided tour of— just let's just take them on a guided tour of the north. that weara— guided tour of the north. that would discourage them. they web-r— would discourage them. they wem-r wam— would discourage them. they won't want to _ would discourage them. they won't want to live there. come bay— won't want to live there. come eay mar— won't want to live there. come eay rbar .— won't want to live there. come on, say that . why— won't want to live there. come on, say that . why have you gone on, say that. why have you gone enema— on, say that. why have you gone ebbeme wea— on, say that. why have you gone silent? you know,— on, say that. why have you gone silent? you know, it's dreadful .-br.— silent? you know, it's dreadful .-br. rbbe— silent? you know, it's dreadful .-br. me be— silent? you know, it's dreadful .-br. me be a- silent? you know, it's dreadful . it. this is a london . look at it. this is a london aaabemee— . look at it. this is a london audience going,— . look at it. this is a london audience going, can i laugh? rebe— audience going, can i laugh? web-re..— audience going, can i laugh? you're-. you're- audience going, can i laugh?. you're-. you're-going you're fine. you're never going to you're fine. you're never going re-werrb,— you're fine. you're never going re-werrb, mam- you're fine. you're never going to-north, man up. you're fine. you're never going to-north, man up .i you're fine. you're never going. to-north, man up. i'm to go to the north, man up. i'm going— to go to the north, man up. i'm going be— to go to the north, man up. i'm going re 90— to go to the north, man up. i'm going re are re— to go to the north, man up. i'm going re are re abe— to go to the north, man up. i'm going to go to the north. i mean, that's— going to go to the north. i mean, that's where i'm from. no are— mean, that's where i'm from. no are mar-e— mean, that's where i'm from. no are rbar-e wby— mean, that's where i'm from. no and that's why you _ mean, that's where i'm from. no and that's why you move down bere. — and that's why you move down bere. r— and that's why you move down bere. r r— and that's why you move down bere. r r rem-r— and that's why you move down here. i i don't know. when i brea— here. i i don't know. when i first heard your proposals, i

thought, well, that's fantastic , isn't it? let's put them in people's houses in islington. but i'm not sure about somebody imposing who you can have in your room. we've just had your front room. we've just had two that matt two years of that from matt hancock, and didn't think very hancock, and i didn't think very much it. also, if you're much of it. also, if you're coming from torn syria, i coming from war torn syria, i mean, you to be put in a mean, do you want to be put in a house with a guardian reader? i don't that could be quite don't know. that could be quite maybe do that and turn it into reality tv. i mean, that would be fascinating, it, to be fascinating, wouldn't it, to see values of those two sets see the values of those two sets of families being thrashed of families is being thrashed out? well, yeah, because mean, out? well, yeah, because i mean, seeme— out? well, yeah, because i mean, we're seeing-seeing- we're seeing we're seeing a dam— clash already. already starting. i clash already. already starting. r—rbe- clash already. already starting. r—rbe rbere-ei i mean, we've had the there's a gay— i mean, we've had the there's a gay people— i mean, we've had the there's a gay people in_ i mean, we've had the there's a gay people in reading attack ebeewea— gay people in reading attack ebeewealby— gay people in reading attack shocked-by an— gay people in reading attack shocked by an islamist an and shocked by by an islamist an and in shocked by by an islamist an and m bebebwm— shocked by by an islamist an and m belgium bre— shocked by by an islamist an and in belgium it's an— shocked by by an islamist an and in belgium it's an unverified waee— in belgium it's an unverified waee bar— in belgium it's an unverified waee bar br— in belgium it's an unverified video but it appears to show rebambere— video but it appears to show islamists shutting down an lgbtq bramb— islamists shutting down an lgbtq erama ar— islamists shutting down an lgbtq erama ar a— islamists shutting down an lgbtq stand at a university. i mean abbe— stand at a university. i mean we ame— stand at a university. i mean this this could— stand at a university. i mean this this could be the clash in be— this this could be the clash in me farme— this this could be the clash in the future. as— this this could be the clash in the future. as you _ this this could be the clash in the future. as you know, lgbtq grewe— the future. as you know, lgbtq grewe ama— the future. as you know, lgbtq arewe ame abbe— the future. as you know, lgbtq grows and also more traditional eemeewarwe— grows and also more traditional conservative islamism grows in the conservative islamism grows in me we.— conservative islamism grows in me be. r— conservative islamism grows in me be. r meam— conservative islamism grows in the uk. i mean, those those two eemmwmrbee— the uk. i mean, those those two communities aren't— the uk. i mean, those those two communities aren't always going to communities aren't always going be be— communities aren't always going be be abrea—

communities aren't always going to be allied. no,— communities aren't always going to be allied. no, they're not. redeem— to be allied. no, they're not. maeea. ama— to be allied. no, they're not. indeed. and look, the reality is, indeed. and look, the reality a, be— indeed. and look, the reality be be ame— indeed. and look, the reality is, is this is— indeed. and look, the reality is, is this is what— indeed. and look, the reality is, is this is what happens when you— is, is this is what happens when yew ae— is, is this is what happens when yew be mer— is, is this is what happens when you do not have— is, is this is what happens when you do not have a— is, is this is what happens when you do not have a coherent bebey— you do not have a coherent bebey em— you do not have a coherent policy on immigration, on where it policy on immigration, on where b bae— policy on immigration, on where b bae beer— policy on immigration, on where it has been fudged for years . it it has been fudged for years. it bae— it has been fudged for years. it bae-eaaarea— it has been fudged for years. it has-equated and- it has been fudged for years. it has equated and conflated has been equated and conflated war.— has been equated and conflated wbrb — has been equated and conflated with racism so— has been equated and conflated with racism so that we can't aerwabby— with racism so that we can't actually have— with racism so that we can't actually have a— with racism so that we can't actually have a sane and rarbemab— actually have a sane and rational debate about how many beebbe— rational debate about how many beebbe we— rational debate about how many people we should— rational debate about how many people we should let in into abbe— people we should let in into rbbe eewmby— people we should let in into this country, because the reabry— this country, because the reabry be— this country, because the reality is we— this country, because the reality is we do need immigration. we also have a duty to immigration. we also have a duty re aeeebr— immigration. we also have a duty re aeeebr a— immigration. we also have a duty to accept a certain— immigration. we also have a duty to accept a certain number of refugee.— to accept a certain number of rerwgeee. bar— to accept a certain number of refugees. but what we can't have is refugees. but what we can't have be beebbe— refugees. but what we can't have be beebbe eembme— refugees. but what we can't have is people coming here illegally and is people coming here illegally are we— is people coming here illegally are we mer— is people coming here illegally and us not knowing how many of bee— and us not knowing how many of bee beebbe— and us not knowing how many of these people are— and us not knowing how many of these people are coming into the eeamby— these people are coming into the eeamrry. reab— these people are coming into the country. yeah, but— these people are coming into the country. yeah, but when you see, you— country. yeah, but when you see, yew mew,— country. yeah, but when you see, yew mew-reed— country. yeah, but when you see, you know, need immigration, you know, we need immigration, is you know, we need immigration, be-rbar— you know, we need immigration, is-that because- you know, we need immigration, is that because we're is that is that because we're raebme— is that is that because we're raebme a— is that is that because we're facing a demographic cliff, beee— facing a demographic cliff, because people aren't having ebbbarem— children? yeah. is because we're meme.— children? yeah. is because we're facing-wouldn't- children? yeah. is because we're facing. wouldn't people facing. and then wouldn't people bawe—eewba- have children if they could affere— have children if they could mere-vee- have children if they could afford _yes that. have children if they could- afford _yes that would afford a house? yes that would be mar— afford a house? yes that would be that would— afford a house? yes that would be that would .a _ afford a house? yes that would be that would a idea. be that would be a good idea. they— be that would be a good idea. t hey—a— be that would be a good idea. bbey—a bewee- they can't afford a house beee— they can't afford a house because people they can't afford a house. because-people are because so many people are eembme— because so many people are eembme bare— because so many people are coming into the— because so many people are coming into the country and mere-e— coming into the country and rbere-e-a— coming into the country and there's-a certain- coming into the country and there's a certain mean, there's only a certain i mean, bre— there's only a certain i mean, we mer— there's only a certain i mean, we mer bre— there's only a certain i mean, it's not like people are bringing— it's not like people are bringing house bringing a semi—detached house to bringing a semi—detached house re—bm— bringing a semi—detached house re—bm abe— bringing a semi—detached house to_in the boat,- bringing a semi—detached house to_in the boat, but. to come across in the boat, but be— to come across in the boat, but be very— to come across in the boat, but be very baa— to come across in the boat, but it's very bad-the— to come across in the boat, but it's very bad the flotation it's very bad for the flotation abbbbry— it's very bad for the flotation abbbbry re— it's very bad for the flotation abbbbry be be— it's very bad for the flotation ability to be honest with you, mar-e— ability to be honest with you, rbar-e—rbe - ability to be honest with you,.

that's—the problem. that's only part of the problem. bbe— that's only part of the problem. bae-be— that's only part of the problem. bbe-be be— that's only part of the problem. the-is, is that- that's only part of the problem. the-is, is that in- that's only part of the problem. the is, is that in the the reality is, is that in the see— the reality is, is that in the see-abe— the reality is, is that in the 80s-the early- the reality is, is that in the 80s the early 90s, thatcher 80s and the early 90s, thatcher eeba— 80s and the early 90s, thatcher eebairbe— 80s and the early 90s, thatcher sold .the housing _ 80s and the early 90s, thatcher sold the housing stock sold off the housing stock cewmebb— sold off the housing stock council,-stock- sold off the housing stock council, stock and council, housing stock and successive governments have eembbereby— successive governments have completely failed to replace it, wbbeb— completely failed to replace it, wbbeb meae— completely failed to replace it, which means we've got which means that we've got a beaebme. — which means that we've got a beaebme. bbe— which means that we've got a housing. the houses didn't rbeappear— housing. the houses didn't abeabbear. b— housing. the houses didn't disappear. i mean, the houses are-mere.— disappear. i mean, the houses are-mere. se— disappear. i mean, the houses are-there. so what- disappear. i mean, the houses are there. so what we've are still there. so what we've got— are still there. so what we've area a— are still there. so what we've area a brebbem— are still there. so what we've got a problem is— are still there. so what we've got a problem is a lack of supply— got a problem is a lack of ewbbby m— got a problem is a lack of supply in the_ got a problem is a lack of supply in the market. and ebwbeweby— supply in the market. and- obviously—nimbyism supply in the market. and- obviously_nimbyism , obviously because of nimbyism, you obviously because of nimbyism, yew—mere- obviously because of nimbyism, yea—mere are- you know, there's there are eemerrabmre— you know, there's there are constraints on _ you know, there's there are constraints on planning bermbeebem— constraints on planning permission. there are constraints- permission. there are constraints many constraints on building too many new houses. but— constraints on building too many new houses. but wouldn't a erabbe— new houses. but wouldn't a stable population be more i mean , cabb— stable population be more i mean , eabb me— stable population be more i mean , eabb me ebb— stable population be more i mean , call me old fashioned, but i rbbmb— , call me old fashioned, but i rbbmb abe— , call me old fashioned, but i think the main— , call me old fashioned, but i think the main route of mbararbem— think the main route of migration into the uk should be rbreweb— migration into the uk should be through women's— migration into the uk should be through women's birth canals. beek— through women's birth canals. beeb rm— through women's birth canals. beeb b-m m— through women's birth canals. look i'm in agreement with you, but look i'm in agreement with you, bar abe— look i'm in agreement with you, bar me are— look i'm in agreement with you, but the also the— look i'm in agreement with you, but the also the problem is, is war— but the also the problem is, is rbar we— but the also the problem is, is rbar we beer— but the also the problem is, is that we just simply haven't been babbabme— that we just simply haven't been building housing— that we just simply haven't been building housing in any shape or berm— building housing in any shape or berm rer— building housing in any shape or berm rer wbar— building housing in any shape or form for what we _ building housing in any shape or form for what we need in this eewmbry— form for what we need in this eewmrry, wbbeb— form for what we need in this country, which is— form for what we need in this country, which is also part of be— country, which is also part of me brebbem.— country, which is also part of the problem. but— country, which is also part of the problem. but nobody is going to the problem. but nobody is going be wam— the problem. but nobody is going be wamr re— the problem. but nobody is going to want to address— the problem. but nobody is going to want to address that because if to want to address that because br yea— to want to address that because br yew rbbmb— to want to address that because if you think about— to want to address that because if you think about it, what is be— if you think about it, what is me mbe— if you think about it, what is the number one— if you think about it, what is the number one asset that people have— the number one asset that people bawe m— the number one asset that people bawe bm abbe— the number one asset that people have in this country? it's their breberry. —re- have in this country? it's their breberry.—re eayl property. i was going to say rebemem— property. i was going to say pokemon,-and- property. i was going to say pokemon, and are you really property. i was going to say pokento i, and are you really property. i was going to say pokento say and are you really property. i was going to say pokento say to nd are you really property. i was going to say pokento say to theare you really property. i was going to say pokento say to the people really property. i was going to say pokento say to the people thaty going to say to the people that area-r—

going to say to the people that areer-r yew,— going to say to the people that are for you, namely are voting for you, namely the beebbe— are voting for you, namely the beebbe wbe— are voting for you, namely the people who _who - are voting for you, namely the people who who are the people who vote, who are the beebbe— people who vote, who are the beebbe-are — people who vote, who are the people - are older- people who vote, who are the people are older in years, people who are older in years, wbe—breberry- who are actually property bebaere— who are actually property. holders,_going who are actually property- holders,_going to holders, that you are going to bewabae — holders, that you are going to bewabae -eme— holders, that you are going to devalue one main asset? devalue their one main asset? bre— devalue their one main asset? br-e mer— devalue their one main asset? br-e mer maeb— devalue their one main asset? it's not much of— devalue their one main asset? it's not much of a— devalue their one main asset? it's not much of a winning rbeber— it's not much of a winning rbeber ar— it's not much of a winning ticket at the— it's not much of a winning ticket at the polls. yeah, but cbrbe— ticket at the polls. yeah, but cbrbelmeam— ticket at the polls. yeah, but chris, mean, thing that chris, i mean, one thing that werrbee-be— chris, i mean, one thing that worries-is racism - chris, i mean, one thing that worries is racism and the worries me is racism and the wee— worries me is racism and the er— worries me is racism and the er abe— worries me is racism and the er are far— worries me is racism and the rise of the far right, by which i rise of the far right, by which b mean— rise of the far right, by which b abe— rise of the far right, by which i mean the actual genuine , the i mean the actual genuine, the reab— i mean the actual genuine, the reab rar— i mean the actual genuine, the reab bar webb— i mean the actual genuine, the real far right, which which eewba— real far right, which which could—goingl real far right, which whichi could—going to real far right, which which- could_going to be could i mean, it's going to be exaeerbarea— could i mean, it's going to be exacerbated if— could i mean, it's going to be exacerbated if we— could i mean, it's going to be exacerbated if we have mean exacerbated if we have i mean the exacerbated if we have i mean we mer— exacerbated if we have i mean the net migration— exacerbated if we have i mean the net migration figures are berry— pretty shocking. it's over a over a million— pretty shocking. it's over a over a million this year. and abbe— over a million this year. and rbbelrbbe— over a million this year. and rbbelrbbe be— over a million this year. and this-this is going- over a million this year. and this this is going to, you this is this is going to, you mew,— this is this is going to, you mew, erb— this is this is going to, you mew, erbr wb— this is this is going to, you know, stir up resentment . right. know, stir up resentment. right. ama— know, stir up resentment. right. ame beeebbby— know, stir up resentment. right. and possibly lead— know, stir up resentment. right. and possibly lead to more racism agabmeb— and possibly lead to more racism against yea— and possibly lead to more racism against, you know,— and possibly lead to more racism against, you know, people who earbber— against, you know, people who came earlier and,— against, you know, people who came earlier and, you know, eembbereby— came earlier and, you know, completely integrated and beeebbby— completely integrated and possibly living here happily. it's possibly living here happily. we a— possibly living here happily. we a wawry— possibly living here happily. it's a luxury belief, isn't it, to it's a luxury belief, isn't it, re rer— it's a luxury belief, isn't it, re rer abe— it's a luxury belief, isn't it, to for the people that make rbeee— to for the people that make these decisions— to for the people that make these decisions . these decisions. the people pushing the agenda don't have to live with the consequences. and if you ask people in the types of work that might be taken away, they'll have a different opinion. so yeah, it lead opinion. so yeah, it could lead to it could lead to some really unpleasant scenes . and also as

unpleasant scenes. and also as well, unpleasant scenes. and also as webb abe— unpleasant scenes. and also as war, are beebbe— unpleasant scenes. and also as well, the people talking- c. c and also as well, the people talking about rbeee— well, the people talking about these policies— well, the people talking about these policies who are advocating _ these policies who are advocating open borders, they've got advocating open borders, they've eer rbabewbewe— advocating open borders, they've got ridiculous slogans which eaye— got ridiculous slogans which eaye me— got ridiculous slogans which says no person— got ridiculous slogans which says no person is illegal, which rer-e— says no person is illegal, which ber-e be— says no person is illegal, which ber-e be fabr— says no person is illegal, which ber-e be rabr ,— says no person is illegal, which let's be fair , is— says no person is illegal, which let's be fair , is something let's be fair, is something jeffrey— let's be fair, is something jeffrey epstein— let's be fair, is something jeffrey epstein would say . so it jeffrey epstein would say. so it beer— jeffrey epstein would say. so it beer aeeem-r— jeffrey epstein would say. so it just doesn't even— jeffrey epstein would say. so it just doesn't even make sense on a beebeab— just doesn't even make sense on a beabeab baebe— just doesn't even make sense on a logical basis. this— just doesn't even make sense on a logical basis. this brilliant . ama— a logical basis. this brilliant . ame mar-e— a logical basis. this brilliant . and that's the— a logical basis. this brilliant . and that's the thing. if you if . and that's the thing. if you b yew— . and that's the thing. if you if you complain— . and that's the thing. if you if you complain about how bbbeeab— if you complain about how illegal migrants are treated or if illegal migrants are treated or b yea— illegal migrants are treated or if you complain— illegal migrants are treated or if you complain about any effort to if you complain about any effort re reaeae— if you complain about any effort re reweae abe— if you complain about any effort to reduce the amount of illegal bmmberarbem— to reduce the amount of illegal bmmbararbem ,— to reduce the amount of illegal immigration , you're basically immigration, you're basically eaybma— immigration, you're basically sayingr webb— immigration, you're basically saying, well, we— immigration, you're basically saying, well, we should have ebem— saying, well, we should have ebem beraere— saying, well, we should have open borders because if you have amy— open borders because if you have any. reab— open borders because if you have any. veab br— open borders because if you have any. weab br yew— open borders because if you have any. yeah if you don't have if you— any. yeah if you don't have if yer eer-r— any. yeah if you don't have if you don't have— any. yeah if you don't have if you don't have complete unfettered— you don't have complete unfettered immigration, then it mar— unfettered immigration, then it means that some— unfettered immigration, then it means that some are going unfettered immigration, then it m

say, come all ye open. it's a kind idea. yeah, but it kind idea. yeah, yeah. but it gets up with these gets backed up with these economic debates and it's one of those things feels like the those things that feels like the right idea until you can see some of the ramifications of having unfettered immigration from from places that are deeply different cultural values to the uk . anyway, sorry to put you in uk. anyway, sorry to put you in a bbr— uk. anyway, sorry to put you in a bbr er— uk. anyway, sorry to put you in a bbr er a— uk. anyway, sorry to put you in a bit of a downer— anyway, sorry to put you in a bit of a downer with that, but eembmg— a bit of a downer with that, but eembmg ab— a bit of a downer with that, but eembmg ab em— a bit of a downer with that, but coming up on free— a bit of a downer with that, but coming up on free speech nation, webb— coming up on free speech nation, we-bb be— coming up on free speech nation, we'll be talking— coming up on free speech nation, we'll be talking to— coming up on free speech nation, we'll be talking to former brbeemer— we'll be talking to former prisoner and— we'll be talking to former prisoner and founder of the ebarbry— prisoner and founder of the ebarbry beer— prisoner and founder of the charity user voice about the career— charity user voice about the eerreer way— charity user voice about the correct way to _ charity user voice about the correct way to refer to brbeeee — correct way to refer to brbeemere .— correct way to refer to prisoners . apparently the word prisoners. apparently the word eemwber— prisoners. apparently the word eemwber be— prisoners. apparently the word convict is offensive to them. so in convict is offensive to them. so be a— convict is offensive to them. so be a few— convict is offensive to them. so in a few minutes— convict is offensive to them. so in a few minutes .—

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mar— at ten, i'll be reacting to the news that the _ at ten, i'll be reacting to the news that the world health organisation _ news that the world health organisation wants four year ebae— organisation wants four year ebae re— organisation wants four year olds to learn— organisation wants four year olds to learn about their sexual weary— olds to learn about their sexual weary ama— olds to learn about their sexual motty and gender.— olds to learn about their sexual motty and gender. and as the itv this motty and gender. and as the itv rbbe membmg— motty and gender. and as the itv this morning crisis— motty and gender. and as the itv this morning crisis deepens, i bawe— this morning crisis deepens, i bawe a— this morning crisis deepens, i bawe a bbg— this morning crisis deepens, i have a big announcement to make. you have a big announcement to make. web web-e— have a big announcement to make. web web-r wam— have a big announcement to make. you won't want to _ have a big announcement to make. you won't want to miss— have a big announcement to make. you won't want to miss it. - you won't want to miss it. plus, politics legend ann widdecombe_ plus, politics legend ann widdecombe ,- plus, politics legend ann widdecombe , top government widdecombe, top government wbmberer— widdecombe, top government minister paul— widdecombe, top government minister paul scully. tomorrow's babere— minister paul scully. tomorrow's babere ama— minister paul scully. tomorrow's babere are my— minister paul scully. tomorrow's papers and my pundits. we're bbwe— papers and my pundits. we're bbwe brem — papers and my pundits. we're bbwe brem .— papers and my pundits. we're live from . nine— live from. nine brbma- live from. nine irina vereshchuk . live from. nine— irina vereshchuk . welcome bbwe brem. wbme— irina vereshchuk . welcome back irina vereshchuk. welcome back to free speech nation prison officers have been ordered to stop calling criminals convicts on the grounds that it is offensive. civil servants at the brbeem— offensive. civil servants at the amber eewbee— civil servants at the prison service headquarters have are— prison service headquarters have also instructed— prison service headquarters have also instructed warders to drop the also instructed warders to drop me bbraee— also instructed warders to drop the phrase ex—con_ also instructed warders to drop the phrase ex—con for former brbeemere— the phrase ex—con for former brbeemere ama— the phrase ex—con for former prisoners and refer to them bmereaa— prisoners and refer to them bmereaa ae— prisoners and refer to them instead as persons with lived eberbemee — instead as persons with lived eberbemee b— instead as persons with lived experience. i mean, yeah , lived experience. i mean, yeah, lived eberbemee— experience. i mean, yeah, lived eberbemee er— experience. i mean, yeah, lived experience of committing a bargbary— experience of committing a bargbary er— experience of committing a bargbary er a— experience of committing a burglary or a rape or prison beawere b— burglary or a rape or prison leavers. i mean,— burglary or a rape or prison leavers. i mean, some staff have been— leavers. i mean, some staff have been berr— leavers. i mean, some staff have been left shaking— leavers. i mean, some staff have been left shaking their heads at arbme— been left shaking their heads at arbme wbem—

been left shaking their heads at a time when jails— been left shaking their heads at a time when jails are suffering mem— a time when jails are suffering brem reeera— a time when jails are suffering from record overcrowding and web— from record overcrowding and their colleagues— from record overcrowding and their colleagues are leaving in eewee— their colleagues are leaving in brevee bbbe— their colleagues are leaving in droves. this is— their colleagues are leaving in droves. this is going on. joining— droves. this is going on. rembmg me— droves. this is going on. joining me to- droves. this is going on. joining me to discuss this is bermer— joining me to discuss this is former prisoner— joining me to discuss this is former prisoner and founder of the former prisoner and founder of bbe ebarbby— former prisoner and founder of the charity user— former prisoner and founder of the charity user voice and lived evberb— the charity user voice and lived evberb warb— the charity user voice and lived expert mark johnson obe. mark, bbarwe— expert mark johnson obe. mark, bbambe ee— expert mark johnson obe. mark, thanks so much— expert mark johnson obe. mark, thanks so much forjoining us. bebbe— thanks so much forjoining us. bebbe be— thanks so much forjoining us. bebbe be bb— thanks so much forjoining us. hello is it offensive to call an ex brbeemer— hello is it offensive to call an ex brbeeaer arr— hello is it offensive to call an ex prisoner an ex— hello is it offensive to call an ex prisoner an ex con man? well i ex prisoner an ex con man? well b bbmb— ex prisoner an ex con man? well b bbmb rbe— ex prisoner an ex con man? well bbbmb bbe rbe— ex prisoner an ex con man? well i think the pr around this issue is i think the pr around this issue be a— i think the pr around this issue be a bbb— i think the pr around this issue be a bbb eb— i think the pr around this issue be a bbb eb a— i think the pr around this issue is a bit of a car— i think the pr around this issue is a bit of a car crash. um, brom— is a bit of a car crash. um, from from — is a bit of a car crash. um, from from the ministry of justice and the civil service. i think have got a really poor track record with sending very clear sort of purpose driven , clear sort of purpose driven, um, sort of bits of communications. i mean, the fundamental principle behind it is right and it's one that i've campaigned on probably for well, for a very long now , and for a very long time now, and thatis for a very long time now, and that is that when people get sentenced, serve their sentenced, they serve their sentenced, they serve their sentence in a prison or a criminal justice order and post that sentence, they need , we

that sentence, they need, we need to reintroduce them into society in a way that doesn't stigmatise them. so currently at 11 years old, if you commit an offence, that criminal conviction can stay with you for the rest of your life. so it's like a life sentence by installing agents through the stigma that's associated with it. um, when if you look at the history, not so much the prison service because don't actually think anybody is bothered about how what they get called because at the moment, um, 80% of british prisons are on 22 hours a day bang up . british prisons are on 22 hours a day bang up. now british prisons are on 22 hours a day bang up . now what that a day bang up. now what that really means is the un wrote a ruling through nelson mandela actually is incarceration and it said anything over 22 hours a day bang up was could be identified as torture . and identified as torture. and that's what we've got going on in british prisons. we've got these things they call 22 hours bang up just to just to clarify, that means 22 hours being locked up. is that in solitary confinement- up. is that in solitary- confinement-confined to confinement or just confined to a eerb— confinement or just confined to a eebb b — confinement or just confined to a eebb e se— confinement or just confined to

a cell ? so cells— confinement or just confined to a cell ? so cells are- confinement or just confined to a cell ? c a”c; a”c; a cell? so cells are are solitary confinement . that's solitary confinement. that's literally that's literally the current. so you you mentioned about staff leaving in their droves. uh, chris grayling started the rehabilitation revolution . and literally so revolution. and literally so many prison staff left at that point or got fired and they've never been able to recoup that level. the level of staffing from pre 2010. and so then when covid hit, they recruited loads more staff. but because the lockdown conditions were such so such a level of like 23.5 hour a day, bang up , such a level of like 23.5 hour a day, bang up, as soon as those restrictions got eased a little bit, all the staff left because they'd never been used to deaung they'd never been used to dealing with prisoners before. so i can tell the public via your show that they're being fipped your show that they're being ripped off on a royal level because all the supply chains that are going into education and therapeutic etcetera , they and therapeutic etcetera, they can't get access to prisoners

because they're behind a door and the regime is such they call it restricted regime . um, and if it restricted regime. um, and if you imagine , like you said about you imagine, like you said about rapists and you know, and this is the, this is the sort of media top line of it that's that's not who we lock up predominantly. we do mean who we lock up are the, the, you know, drug addicts , mentally ill drug addicts, mentally ill neurodiverse , etcetera, neurodiverse, etcetera, predominantly. and all we're doing is neglecting them, you know , we're they call these know, we're they call these distraction packs colouring books and remedial like maths and english being shoved underneath the door without any teachers, without any teacher support . and then those people support. and then those people are coming out in our society literally unrehabilitated and we've paid the same amount of money as what we did when the staffing was at full regime . staffing was at full regime. yeah. this seems this seems it seems ridiculous to not rehabilitate people and if people are locked up for for, 22 hours a day, like you say, there aren't the opportunities to, you know, even if there are classes , people going running

, people going in running programs , they won't have that programs, they won't have that that access , that contact with that access, that contact with the to run those the prisoner to run those classes breaking that classes without breaking that link. you know, people are going to link. you know, people are going be me— link. you know, people are going be ebb— link. you know, people are going to come out and— c you know, people are going to come out and re—offend again wbbb— to come out and re—offend again wbrb bargbary— to come out and re—offend again wbrb bargbary er— to come out and re—offend again with burglary or whatever aegwbebbbve — with burglary or whatever acquisitive crime to feed a drug babbb— acquisitive crime to feed a drug babbb . — acquisitive crime to feed a drug babbb. webb— acquisitive crime to feed a drug habit. well, for— acquisitive crime to feed a drug habit. well, for 4— acquisitive crime to feed a drug habit. well, for 4 in- acquisitive crime to feed a drug habit. �*fb�*cgc ”' " �*0 habit. well, for 4 in 10 people leaving british prisons today leave homeless . right. they're leave homeless. right. they're given tents to go into the community with the probation service who are supposed to be this body that literally works with prisoners , you know, with prisoners, you know, supporting them and planning for their release. there are 100% capacity that's what they say. what i know from basically people that are coming out of prison is that they're completely neglected. again, they're not even getting basic like , um, sort of appointments, like, um, sort of appointments, referrals to drug centres. i mean , under this government mean, under this government there , they've literally closed there, they've literally closed down about two thirds of all drug rehabilitation centres in this country as well. so the services just aren't there . and

services just aren't there. and i think, um , i think recently i think, um, i think recently dominic raab, who's no longer there and i'm very grateful for that. i've never really get political in my life, but um, what, what basically he was doing is fanning the flames around sensational and polarised views of like, everybody's a murderer in prison and then pinning the need to remove us from the european courts of human rights on the back of it. and that is literally getting politics meddling into sentence icing, which i think is really dangerous because the public is educated via the media. and i have to say, it's not an education in at all. i mean, it's just literally it doesn't work. it doesn't work like, um, it's literally you're going to be paying for it. they're proposal is 20,000 new prison places all of this neglect and we need to start to talk about what works regarding rehabilitation . we just we have rehabilitation. we just we have to do that and so if it means yeah. so no, i was just going to

say,— yeah. so no, i was just going to ..y, b— yeah. so no, i was just going to eay, b beam— yeah. so no, i was just going to say, i mean, we've— so no, i was just going to say, i mean, we've got we've got to say, i mean, we've got we've got be wrab— say, i mean, we've got we've got be wrab bb— say, i mean, we've got we've got re wrab bb ab— say, i mean, we've got we've got re wrab bb ab eee— to wrap it up soon, unfortunately. but i mean, to wrap it up soon,— unfortunately. but i mean, what weabb— unfortunately. but i mean, what wewbb yew— unfortunately. but i mean, what wewbb yew eay— unfortunately. but i mean, what would you say, you know, bring it would you say, you know, bring bb—erbgmab- would you say, you know, bring it_original point. i it back to the original point. wbab— it back to the original point. wbab weabb— it back to the original point. what would you _ it back to the original point. what would you say is the career— what would you say is the correct term _ what would you say is the correct term to _ what would you say is the correct term to refer to former brbeeaere— correct term to refer to former brbeeaere webmg. — correct term to refer to former prisoners using. �*fb�*cgc �*fb�*cgc prisoners using. well. well, it's not that you can call me anything you want to , right? anything you want to, right? i don't care. but the key is, is about when i go for housing insurance. i've helped thousands of people got an and everything. but when i go for housing, housing, housing insurance, it says i've got a criminal conviction . right. and it was conviction. right. and it was over 30 years ago. i have to say. yes and have to pay a premium. that's higher than anybody else's. that's ridiculous. so surely the last beaee— ridiculous. so surely the last bewee bbab-e— ridiculous. so surely the last house that's going- c r: c so surely the last house that's going to get bargbeb— house that's going to get bargbeb be— house that's going to get burgled is an— house that's going to get burgled is an ex—con . you put burgled is an ex—con. you put bbab— burgled is an ex—con. you put bbab err— burgled is an ex—con. you put bbab err rbe— burgled is an ex—con. you put that on the door. _ burgled is an ex—con. you put that on the door. nobody's going to that on the door. nobody's going be warb— that on the door. nobody's going be wam ye-re— that on the door. nobody's going to want you're not— that on the door. nobody's going to want you're not going to want bbab— to want you're not going to want mar—bewa- to want you're not going to want that—down the- to want you're not going to want that down the stairs that guy coming down the stairs wbbb— that guy coming down the stairs wbbb-ebwb. — with a golf club. it's ridiculous.- with a golf club. it's ridiculous. anyway, mark, bbambe— ridiculous. anyway, mark, thanks. thanks so much for bembmg— thanks. thanks so much for joining ae— thanks. thanks so much for joining us tonight. mark joining us tonight. that's mark bebaeem— joining us tonight. that's mark johnson,-former_ joining us tonight. that's mark johnson, former prisoner and johnson, the former prisoner and bewmber— johnson, the former prisoner and beamber eb— johnson, the former prisoner and founder of the _ johnson, the former prisoner and founder of the charity user webbe— founder of the charity user voice. thank— founder of the charity user voice. thank you, mark lisa

waaby— voice. thank you, mark lisa waaby arab— voice. thank you, mark lisa waaby amb my— voice. thank you, mark lisa nandy and my esteemed panel, rraaebe— nandy and my esteemed panel, rrarrebe ,— nandy and my esteemed panel, rrarrebe , wbab— nandy and my esteemed panel, francis , what do— nandy and my esteemed panel, francis , what do you make of francis, what do you make of bbabb— francis, what do you make of bbabb vea— francis, what do you make of that? you look— francis, what do you make of that? you look a— francis, what do you make of that? you look a bit like you eewbb— that? you look a bit like you eewbb bave— that? you look a bit like you could have been— that? you look a bit like you could have been banged up. yeah, if i could have been banged up. yeah, bb b wae— could have been banged up. yeah, bb b bamgeb— could have been banged up. yeah, if i was banged up,— could have been banged up. yeah, if i was banged up, i wouldn't baeb— if i was banged up, i wouldn't baeb very— if i was banged up, i wouldn't baer very g...— if i was banged up, i wouldn't last very long, mate. you know, i'd last very long, mate. you know, b-b bbeb— last very long, mate. you know, b-b bbeb rbe— last very long, mate. you know, i'd pick the option— last very long, mate. you know, i'd pick the option of a women's brbeem — i'd pick the option of a women's brbeem -yew— i'd pick the option of a women's prison. _you-what- prison. yeah, you know what i meane— prison. yeah, you know what i meamblgeb— prison. yeah, you know what i mean? get what's it called? mean? i get what's it called? rbeem— mean? i get what's it called? prison-gender- mean? i get what's it called? prison gender dysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni gender dysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni don't gender dysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni don't think.' dysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni don't think. hysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni don't think. i don'tyria. yeah. i don't think. i don't bbmb— yeah. i don't think. i don't rbmb yea-b— yeah. i don't think. i don't think you'd need to specify mar.— think you'd need to specify bbab.|bbbrw— think you'd need to specify that. think they put you in that. i think they put you in eb— that. i think they put you in eb bbem— that. i think they put you in one of them anyway. cressida. my jaw one of them anyway. cressida. my bawlea— one of them anyway. cressida. my bawlea rbe— one of them anyway. cressida. my jaw-on the floor— one of them anyway. cressida. my jaw-on the floor 22— one of them anyway. cressida. my jaw on the floor 22 hours jaw is on the floor 22 hours a bay. — jaw is on the floor 22 hours a bay. rramebe— jaw is on the floor 22 hours a day. francis if— jaw is on the floor 22 hours a day. francis if he— jaw is on the floor 22 hours a day. francis if he went to brbeea— day. francis if he went to brbeem ,— day. francis if he went to brbeem , b— day. francis if he went to prison , i thought, this is what prison, i thought, this is what we bem— prison, i thought, this is what we join amnesty— prison, i thought, this is what we join amnesty international for we join amnesty international ber be— we join amnesty international ber be 22— we join amnesty international for is 22 hours— we join amnesty international for is 22 hours a— we join amnesty international for is 22 hours a day. that's babb— for is 22 hours a day. that's baeb zea— for is 22 hours a day. that's just 23.5 hours during during lockdown , which is i mean, we lockdown, which is i mean, we talk about the impact of lockdown. imean talk about the impact of lockdown. i mean , i hadn't even lockdown. i mean, i hadn't even bbewgbb— lockdown. i mean, i hadn't even bbewgbb eb— lockdown. i mean, i hadn't even rbewgbr eb rbe— lockdown. i mean, i hadn't even thought of the impact- c: i mean, i hadn't even thought of the impact on the brbeea— thought of the impact on the prison population. right. /c» prison population. right. you babe— prison population. right. you babe year— prison population. right. you babe year per— prison population. right. you take your pet hamster- prison population. right. you take your pet hamster out of the cage for longer than that. it's just i'm absolutely stunned. that's terrific . and the idea that's terrific. and the idea that we think people are being rehabilitated actually rehabilitated and actually they're workbook they're being given a workbook under ,i they're being given a workbook under , i mean, yeah, under the door, i mean, yeah, disgusting. it's disgusting. that's it's absolutely— disgusting. that's it's - absolutely-because disgusting. that's it's- absolutely-because you absolutely horrific because you bamb— absolutely horrific because you babbb-brew,— absolutely horrific because you think, know, these people think, you know, these people bave— think, you know, these peoplei

bave —bebaabby have ended up in jail. actually mar— have ended up in jail. actually bbab be— have ended up in jail. actually bbab be a— have ended up in jail. actually that is a chance— have ended up in jail. actually that is a chance for us as a eeebeby— that is a chance for us as a eeebeby be— that is a chance for us as a society to help— that is a chance for us as a society to help rehabilitate rbeee— society to help rehabilitate rbeee people-_ society to help rehabilitate these people. so actually, when bbey— these people. so actually, when bbey ge— these people. so actually, when bbey ge 0a,— these people. so actually, when they go out, they're not going to re—offend._ they go out, they're not going to re—offend. yeah it's a earreeb— to re—offend. yeah it's a eaaeeb bb— to re—offend. yeah it's a chance. it would also help the eey bbe— chance. it would also help the economy. the economy starved of werereb— economy. the economy starved of werereb ab— economy. the economy starved of werereb ab bbe— economy. the economy starved of workers at the moment. so if we eeabb— workers at the moment. so if we eeabblwe— workers at the moment. so if we could .we could— workers at the moment. so if we could we could reskill and could if we could reskill and rehabilitate— could if we could reskill and rehabilitate some prisoners, bbey— rehabilitate some prisoners, bbey earr— rehabilitate some prisoners, bbey bbey— rehabilitate some prisoners, they can they can go in and beee— they can they can go in and become maybe— they can they can go in and become maybe they could become brbeem— become maybe they could become brbeem warbee — become maybe they could become prison wardens. yeah, exactly. reaeber— prison wardens. yeah, exactly. poacher turned _ prison wardens. yeah, exactly. poacher turned gamekeeper. but if poacher turned gamekeeper. but bb—be— if all we're doing is effectively - if all we're doing is effectively locking them up and beavmg— effectively locking them up and beavbmg rbeee— effectively locking them up and leaving these people to rot, go , 130-— leaving these people to rot, go , ge. b— leaving these people to rot, go , ge. b meae— leaving these people to rot, go , go. i mean, that— leaving these people to rot, go , go. i mean, that is torture, bee-b— , go. i mean, that is torture, bea-b bbb— , go. i mean, that is torture, isn't it? yeah.— , go. i mean, that is torture, isn't it? yeah. 22— , go. i mean, that is torture, isn't it? yeah. 22 hours in a eebb. — isn't it? yeah. 22 hours in a eebb. ya...— isn't it? yeah. 22 hours in a cell. yeah, that— isn't it? yeah. 22 hours in a cell. yeah, that is horrific. i bbey— cell. yeah, that is horrific. i mean, they do— cell. yeah, that is horrific. i mean, they do have a playstation bbve— mean, they do have a playstation bbve. bab— mean, they do have a playstation bbve. bar anyway,— mean, they do have a playstation five. but anyway, after the break— five. but anyway, after the break ea— five. but anyway, after the break on free— five. but anyway, after the break on free speech nation, me arab— break on free speech nation, me amb my— break on free speech nation, me amb my bebbew— break on free speech nation, me and my fellow comedians turn agony— and my fellow comedians turn agemy ambe— and my fellow comedians turn agony uncle slash auntie slash bmeerb— agony uncle slash auntie slash insert preferred— agony uncle slash auntie slash insert preferred pronoun here arab— insert preferred pronoun here amb webb— insert preferred pronoun here and we'll bring— insert preferred pronoun here and we'll bring you some social eemeabbeae— and we'll bring you some social sensations from _ and we'll bring you some social sensations from the tawdry world of sensations from the tawdry world eb bbe — sensations from the tawdry world of the internet— sensations from the tawdry world of the internet .— sensations from the tawdry world of the internet . see you in of the internet. see you in a eeabre— of the internet. see you in a eeabbe eb— of the internet. see you in a couple of minutes .

welcome back to the final eeebbem— welcome back to the final eeebbea eb— welcome back to the final section of free— welcome back to the final section of free speech nation. wew— section of free speech nation. wew every— section of free speech nation. now every week— section of free speech nation. now every week we dedicate this part— now every week we dedicate this bar eb— now every week we dedicate this bar eb bbe— now every week we dedicate this part of the show— now every week we dedicate this part of the show to— now every week we dedicate this part of the show to the world of eeebab— part of the show to the world of eeebab mebba— part of the show to the world of social media and— part of the show to the world of social media and often the eberbee— social media and often the stories that— social media and often the stories that are— social media and often the stories that are threatening to career— stories that are threatening to cancel someone— stories that are threatening to cancel someone or something . but cancel someone or something. but meeb— cancel someone or something. but meeb eb— cancel someone or something. but meeb eb bbe— cancel someone or something. but most of the time— cancel someone or something. but most of the time it's— cancel someone or something. but most of the time it's just some baby— most of the time it's just some bammy ebabb— most of the time it's just some funny stuff somebody did online . rbreb— funny stuff somebody did online . rbreblbe— funny stuff somebody did online .first.is this— funny stuff somebody did online . first-is this video- funny stuff somebody did online . first is this video from . first up is this video from baeb— . first up is this video from baeb mbgbb-e— . first up is this video from last night's eurovision that beek— last night's eurovision that beeb eb— last night's eurovision that look of melania trump. �*fb�*c; 9c; look of melania trump. we get back— look of melania trump. we get back be— look of melania trump. we get back be bbe— look of melania trump. we get back to the competition . i said, back to the competition. i said, shall we go? no i want- back to the competition. i said, shall we go? no i want to- c c c»" i said, shall we go? no i want to see i warb— shall we go? no i want to see i waab be— shall we go? no i want to see i waab be e— shall we go? no i want to see i want to see mel— shall we go? no i want to see i want to see mel churning butter some more exact— want to see mel churning butter some more exact hoping to become a barevbebea— some more exact hoping to become a eurovision icon. _ some more exact hoping to become a eurovision icon. “: a eurovision icon. ready to take the stage. it's armenia- a eurovision icon. ready to take the stage. it's armenia .- a eurovision icon. “: 3 it's armenia . like in the stage. it's armenia. like in war— the stage. it's armenia. like in bbab aebbem — the stage. it's armenia. like in that action. francis- the stage. it's armenia. like in that action. francis i- 3 it's armenia. like in that action. ac "

been shown. this is why i don't wabeb— been shown. this is why i don't watch eurovision.— been shown. this is why i don't watch eurovision. it's— " this is why i don't watch eurovision. it's just not my— watch eurovision. it's just not my rbbmg— watch eurovision. it's just not my rbbmg. rm— watch eurovision. it's just not my thing. i'm sure she's very babembeb— my thing. i'm sure she's very talented and— my thing. i'm sure she's very talented and yeah, but that was wbabever— talented and yeah, but that was whatever that _ talented and yeah, but that was whatever that was— talented and yeah, but that was whatever that was for . whatever that was for. fascinating, - whatever that was for. fascinating, bold choreography . fascinating, bold choreography. i fascinating, bold choreography. b bamb— fascinating, bold choreography. b mm b— fascinating, bold choreography. bbbmb bb wa— fascinating, bold choreography. i think it was butter— fascinating, bold choreography. i think it was butter churning, but i'm not sure this is what we voted. brexit mate. yeah, it was. i mean, told the producer just told me it is butter churning. that's certainly how i churning. that's certainly how i churn butter. that's why i call it. anyway next up, we've got the influencer purposefully the influencer who purposefully crashed just to get crashed his plane just to get clicks. he might get up to 20 years prison, let's years in prison, though. let's watch evidence . watch the evidence. holy holy. i'm over the mountains and i get out of engine out .

so he did have a parachute. i'm assuming . so he jumped out of assuming. so he jumped out of the plane. he jumped out the plane, which i've just been told by somebody in the audience was a rented plane. i mean, i wouldn't even do that to a rented kia, never mind a cessna . that's i mean, i hope he paid for the excess insurance, 2.9 million views. oh, leo, is that all? yeah. what do you mean you're not? difficult is to get views on youtube, mate . $2.9 views on youtube, mate. $2.9 million and he jumped out of a plane risking life and limb. but you see people just unboxing toys or doing the asmr getting way more views than that. and they don't go to prison for 20

years and they don't jump out of a plane. they've rented. that's why the algorithm is screwing with us, mate , you can see this with us, mate, you can see this now. yeah, with us, mate, you can see this now . yeah, well, it's been done. now. yeah, well, it's been done. y...— now. yeah, well, it's been done. veab wabaeee.— now. yeah, well, it's been done. yeah madness. it's— yeah, well, it's been done. yeah madness. it's the ultimate mum ,— yeah madness. it's the ultimate , beek— yeah madness. it's the ultimate , beeb ab— yeah madness. it's the ultimate mum , look at me,— yeah madness. it's the ultimate mum , look at me, isn't it? just mum, look at me, isn't it? just ear-b— mum, look at me, isn't it? just ear-b rebabe— mum, look at me, isn't it? just can't relate to— mum, look at me, isn't it? just can't relate to it— mum, look at me, isn't it? just can't relate to it at— mum, look at me, isn't it? just can't relate to it at all. boys arab— can't relate to it at all. boys amb bbebr— can't relate to it at all. boys and their toys.— can't relate to it at all. boys and their toys. yeah and i love bbe— and their toys. yeah and i love bbe babb— and their toys. yeah and i love the fact that— and their toys. yeah and i love the fact that you— and their toys. yeah and i love the fact that you care about wbebber— the fact that you care about wbebber er— the fact that you care about whether or not— the fact that you care about whether or not it was rented. mar-e— whether or not it was rented. bbab-e wbab— whether or not it was rented. that's what you _ whether or not it was rented. that's what you took from that. web— that's what you took from that. web bbe— that's what you took from that. web bbe babb— that's what you took from that. not the fact that— that's what you took from that. not the fact that somebody bambeb— not the fact that somebody bambeb ear— not the fact that somebody bambeb eab eb— not the fact that somebody jumped out of plane and left jumped out of a plane and left it jumped out of a plane and left bblbbe— jumped out of a plane and left bblbbe abr— jumped out of a plane and left itlthe air. well— jumped out of a plane and left it the air. well somebody. it in the air. well somebody. semebeby— it in the air. well somebody. somebody suppose- it in the air. well somebody. somebody suppose to - it in the air. well somebody. somebody suppose to be picking up plane on tuesday. it's a up that plane on tuesday. it's a plane it's crashed into a plane and it's crashed into a mountain. you imagine if mountain. can you imagine if there's some colombian drug dealer looking , getting to dealer just looking, getting to the to the airfield, the getting to the airfield, going , hey, the getting to the airfield, going, hey, equine, is he going, hey, equine, what is he playing? we found these cocaine a lovely bit of racism there, francis foster. my mom's one of them. i can say it. next up, i can confirm francis mum is a cocaine baron. next up , we've cocaine baron. next up, we've got this video of joe biden talking about white supremacy . talking about white supremacy. stand up against the poison of white supremacy as i did my

inaugural address to a single out as the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland is white supremacy . and terrorist threat to our homeland is white supremacy. and i'm not saying is white supremacy. and i'm not eaymg bbbe— is white supremacy. and i'm not saying this because— is white supremacy. and i'm not saying this because i'm- c and i'm not saying this because i'm at a back— saying this because i'm at a bbaeb bbcu — saying this because i'm at a bbaeb bbcu .— saying this because i'm at a black hbcu . i— saying this because i'm at a black hbcu . i say it wherever black hbcu. i say it wherever i go black hbcu. i say it wherever i 90 - — black hbcu. i say it wherever i ge . beveby— black hbcu. i say it wherever i ge . beveby .— black hbcu. i say it wherever i ge . beveby . b— black hbcu. i say it wherever i go . lovely . a lovely- black hbcu. i say it wherever i go. ' go. lovely. a lovely way to finish that biggest threat is white supremacy . and i'm not white supremacy. and i'm not just saying that because i'm surrounded by black people. that's never mind the fact that he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut . he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut. but he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut . but that he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut. but that was he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut . but that was about wide shut. but that was about thatis wide shut. but that was about that is incredible. that is incredible . look, i love joe incredible. look, i love joe biden . he like he when you see biden. he like he when you see him speak, it's half normal and then half like he's like starting to scat. he's our first jazz president. you know what i mean? he's louis armstrong. he's beautiful. i love him. bill clinton was the first jazz president. yeah, i mean, i don't

love it that makes me feel more stressed watching him do that and watching the guy jump out of the plane. can i have him back? ya...— the plane. can i have him back? y..., b— the plane. can i have him back? y..., b abwaye— the plane. can i have him back? yeah, i always feel— can i have him back? yeah, i always feel nervous for him— yeah, i always feel nervous for y..., bbe— yeah, i always feel nervous for y..., bbbe be— yeah, i always feel nervous for him, like he doesn't know what's going— him, like he doesn't know what's gemg webb. — him, like he doesn't know what's gemg webb. b— him, like he doesn't know what's going well. i feel— him, like he doesn't know what's going well. ”cc; a going well. i feel like the plane probably safer. plane probably landed safer. and. where he jumps and. and the one where he jumps out it no pilot than out of it with no pilot than than joe biden was flying it. than if joe biden was flying it. yeah. imean, than if joe biden was flying it. yeah. i mean, i must admit, i bee-b— yeah. i mean, i must admit, i bem-b brew— yeah. i mean, i must admit, i don't know the— / i mean, i must admit, i don't know the context, but what bee— don't know the context, but what be-e babbmg— don't know the context, but what he's talking about— don't know the context, but what he's talking about white eabremaey— he's talking about white supremacy, which actually supremacy, which is actually babbe— supremacy, which is actually babbe ,— supremacy, which is actually babbe , babbe— supremacy, which is actually quite , quite an— supremacy, which is actually quite , quite an interesting quite, quite an interesting bbmg— quite, quite an interesting thing because— quite, quite an interesting thing because we've seen a lot of thing because we've seen a lot eb—wbbbe- of white supremacist white eabremaey— of white supremacist white supremacy . supremacy recently in america. veab. — supremacy recently in america. veab. bbab— supremacy recently in america. yeah. that isn't— supremacy recently in america. yeah. that isn't by— supremacy recently in america. yeah. that isn't by white- yeah. that isn't by white people. so there's a what is it called? mauricio garcia . and called? mauricio garcia. and related to your mum ? no. who related to your mum? no. who who's shot shot up a mall in texas and has been labelled a white supremacist. but he's actually mexican which i think a lot of white supremacists would have some issue with. they tend to quite specific about about to be quite specific about about race and also the leader of the proud boys is a black cuban guy. yeah, it is. look, the quality of white supremacy has just gone down over the years. do you know

what i mean? do you remember the? say what like about the? say what you like about them. boys were organised. them. those boys were organised. they you at they look great. you look at these mate. rubbish. these ones now, mate. rubbish. and bit we're going and that's the bit we're going to francisco you. and now to clip. francisco you. and now we've got the part where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas . we've got a dilemma now from .we've got a dilemma now from christoph . it says, i'm very christoph. it says, i'm very right wing, but i've been sleeping . i've recently been sleeping. i've recently been sleeping. i've recently been sleeping with a very attractive left wing woman. don't believe it. they don't exist. the sex is amazing , but she's absolutely amazing, but she's absolutely deluded and all kumbaya . i deluded and all kumbaya. i pretend she's leading a scout troop in the 70s i pretend i agree with her. so just so i can keep on sleeping with her. am i a bad man ? i mean, what do you a bad man? i mean, what do you think christ is that? i think this is a ploy to get more right wing women. yeah. well done, cbrbebee. — wing women. yeah. well done, christos. good— g " yeah. well done, christos. good attempt. i don't brew.— christos. good attempt. i don't brew. b— christos. good attempt. i don't brew. b meae— christos. good attempt. i don't know. i mean, they're both. bbey-re— know. i mean, they're both. bbey-re bebb— know. i mean, they're both. they're both losing out here, area-b— they're both losing out here, areabbbeyb — they're both losing out here, aren't they? they- they're both losing out here, aren't they? "car a”c; "ch they're both losing out here, aren't they? "car a”c; "car a”c; aren't they? they are. they are both losing. losing out. francis, what do you think? just do every guy does, say, do like every guy does, say, yeah, that's great. well done.

lovely couldn't have gone better. you think better. thank you. do you think a insight into francis a little insight into francis sex life? we did ask for and i mean, you don't exactly live up to the latin stereotype. no, i don't. nobody would know. your mum's from from venezuela. anyway, thank you for joining us for free speech nation tonight. this was the week when liz truss tried to take on china like a drunk bloke taking on a bouncer outside a pub. elon musk proved his free speech credentials are as superficial as a russian election and the labour party tried to infringe denies any human being that can hold a pencil and possibly vote for them. thank you so much to my panel them. thank you so much to my panel. francis foster. you've got a gig to plug. francis yes, come and me. 31st of may at come and see me. 31st of may at the etcetera theatre in camden. that was smooth . that was that was smooth. that was smooth. it sounded like a wrestling commentator there for some reason . and chris skudder, some reason. and chris skudder, when have you got anything to plug? got some more dates plug? i've got some more dates at fringe coming at the brighton fringe coming up, the up, which i can't remember the dates but it's on my dates of, but it's on my website. good. well, the

website. that's good. well, the written so written down somewhere, so that's also to my that's good. and also to my guest, pinker, alistair guest, steven pinker, alistair donald, jo bartosch donald, ella nixon, jo bartosch and johnston . and you and mark johnston. and if you want join live in the want to join us live in the studio, please sign up our studio, please sign up to our audiences. stay tuned for the brilliant dolan. goodbye brilliant mark dolan. goodbye hello again, i'm steven keats with your latest met office updates. and for the week ahead, aebaabby— updates. and for the week ahead, aebaabby, weve— updates. and for the week ahead, actually, we've got— a. : and for the week ahead, actually, we've got plenty of by— actually, we've got plenty of by weabber— actually, we've got plenty of dry weather in— actually, we've got plenty of dry weather in the forecast for many— dry weather in the forecast for may barbe— dry weather in the forecast for may barre eb— dry weather in the forecast for many parts of the— dry weather in the forecast for many parts of the uk, it's not a eembbebeby— many parts of the uk, it's not a eembbebeby bry— many parts of the uk, it's not a completely dry picture. there w...— completely dry picture. there wbbb be— completely dry picture. there wbbb be a— completely dry picture. there will be a few— completely dry picture. there will be a few showers around and it will be a few showers around and bb wbbb— will be a few showers around and bb wbbb be— will be a few showers around and it will be feeling— will be a few showers around and it will be feeling a— will be a few showers around and it will be feeling a bit cooler as it will be feeling a bit cooler ae-eembareb— it will be feeling a bit cooler as-comparedlthe- it will be feeling a bit cooler as compared the last as well compared to the last eeabre— as well compared to the last eeabbelbaye.— as well compared to the last couple days. that's couple of days. and that's beee— couple of days. and that's because _this- couple of days. and that's- because _this .front, because behind this cold front, wbbeb— because behind this cold front, wbbeb w...— because behind this cold front, which will be— because behind this cold front, which will be slowly slipping its which will be slowly slipping bbe-eeabb— which will be slowly slipping its south eastwards through its way south eastwards through this—overnight,- this evening and overnight, bbere— this evening and overnight, there-cooler— this evening and overnight, there cooler mass there is a cooler air mass wabbmg—ambi there is a cooler air mass- waiting_and that waiting in the wings and that wbab— waiting in the wings and that wbbb-bbbmge- waiting in the wings and that will-things to- waiting in the wings and that will things to the will dominate things to the web— will dominate things to the bbreb-aevb— will dominate things to the first-next-sol first part of next week. so ger— first part of next week. so we've got quite- first part of next week. so we've got quite cloudy skies wbbb— we've got quite cloudy skies wbbb ee— we've got quite cloudy skies with some outbreaks of rain ebewby— with some outbreaks of rain slowly slipping— with some outbreaks of rain slowly slipping way slowly slipping their way south eaebwarbe— slowly slipping their way south eastwards evening eastwards through this evening and eastwards through this evening amb evembgbb— eastwards through this evening and overnight. heavier and overnight. the odd, heavier bareb— and overnight. the odd, heavier bareab—ereee- and overnight. the odd, heavier burst—across parts. and overnight. the odd, heavier bueastern across parts and overnight. the odd, heavier bueastern england,'oss parts and overnight. the odd, heavier bueastern england,'oss probably and overnight. the odd, heavier bueamounting and,'oss probably and overnight. the odd, heavier bueamounting to d,'oss probably and overnight. the odd, heavier bueamounting to tooss probably and overnight. the odd, heavier bueamounting to too much)ably not amounting to too much ebeewbere. — not amounting to too much elsewhere. skies will tend to bear— elsewhere. skies will tend to bear arab— elsewhere. skies will tend to clear and underneath, underneath rbeee— clear and underneath, underneath bbeee—wbbeby- clear and underneath, underneath thesquuite-widely- clear and underneath, underneath these quite chilly. widely turning quite chilly. so temperatures off, temperatures not too far off, breezmg — temperatures not too far off, breezmg m— temperatures not too far off,

freezing in the— temperatures not too far off, freezing in the coldest spots. rbreb— freezing in the coldest spots. rbreb bbmg— freezing in the coldest spots. first thing monday morning. freezing in the coldest spots. first thiichilly monday morning. freezing in the coldest spots. first thiichilly mondwilliorning. freezing in the coldest spots. first thiichilly mondwill beiing. but the chilly start will be compensated— but the chilly start will be compensated for fair amount compensated for by a fair amount of compensated for by a fair amount eb-ber— compensated for by a fair amount eb-ber marry— compensated for by a fair amount of-for many places- compensated for by a fair amount of for many places away of sunshine for many places away brem— of sunshine for many places away brem bbe— of sunshine for many places away brem bbe bar— of sunshine for many places away from the far south—east of bagbaab— from the far south—east of england, where— from the far south—east of england, where will clear england, where rain will clear away—membagl away through the morning. ebberwbee,— away through the morning. otherwise, start otherwise, the sunny start will reab— otherwise, the sunny start will beab-ebeab— otherwise, the sunny start will tend-cloud infills- tend to see cloud infills bbreagb— tend to see cloud infills through the— tend to see cloud infills through the day and a few eewebe— through the day and a few showers breaking across showers breaking out across barbe— showers breaking out across parts-northern- showers breaking out across parts northern scotland, parts of northern scotland, eaeemb— parts of northern scotland, eastern scotland, down towards eaeemb— eastern scotland, down towards eaebem—ebbl eastern england. and the odd beavy— eastern england. and the odd heavy-possible- eastern england. and the odd heavy possible here in heavy burst is possible here in the afternoon.— heavy burst is possible here in the afternoon. but wherever you are-m— the afternoon. but wherever you are-m bbe — the afternoon. but wherever you are,-in the best— the afternoon. but wherever you are,-in the best of- the afternoon. but wherever you are, in the best of the are, even in the best of the eaaebme— sunshine for the south—west, rbeee— sunshine for the south—west, those temperatures down those temperatures will be down eeveab— those temperatures will be down eevera—be- those temperatures will be down. several—to what several degrees compared to what we-bbe— several degrees compared to what we _the weekend. - several degrees compared to what we the weekend. and we saw over the weekend. and babbe— we saw over the weekend. and babbe a— we saw over the weekend. and quite a nagging— we saw over the weekend. and quite a nagging down quite a nagging breeze down the memb— quite a nagging breeze down the berm—bab— quite a nagging breeze down the merbb—bablbew- quite a nagging breeze down the north and few more north sea coast. and a few more eewebe— north sea coast. and a few more showers-continue- north sea coast. and a few more showers continue into showers will continue into wembay— showers will continue into monday evening. these tended monday evening. but these tended to monday evening. but these tended be-we— monday evening. but these tended be-we beee— monday evening. but these tended to _we lose-heating- to fade as we lose the heating of to fade as we lose the heating eb bbe— to fade as we lose the heating eb bbe bay— to fade as we lose the heating eb bbe bay arab— to fade as we lose the heating of the day and then overnight mbe— of the day and then overnight babe baeebay— of the day and then overnight into tuesday, largely clear ebbee— into tuesday, largely clear. ebbee—uk into tuesday, largely clear- ebbee—uk wbbb skies across much of the uk with bemberabaree— skies across much of the uk withi temperatures _these temperatures is underneath these bear— temperatures is underneath these ebear-babbbag— temperatures is underneath these clear-falling pretty- clear skies falling pretty embry— clear skies falling pretty ebbbbylbbe— clear skies falling pretty. chilly .the _year . chilly for the time of year. beaeb— chilly for the time of year. touch-certainly. touch of frost certainly beeebbbe, — touch of frost certainly possible, particularly northern bmgbaab—se- possible, particularly northern- england _so gardeners possible, particularly northern eng|growers so gardeners possible, particularly northern eng|growers take so gardeners possible, particularly northern eng|growers take note,» gardeners possible, particularly northern eng|growers take note, butrdeners and growers take note, but agabw— and growers take note, but agabm bb— and growers take note, but again, it should be a lovely ebarb— again, it should be a lovely ebarb be— again, it should be a lovely start to tuesday— again, it should be a lovely start to tuesday for many places wbbb — start to tuesday for many places with widespread— start to tuesday for many places with widespread blue skies, lots of with widespread blue skies, lots eb—ebarb— with widespread blue skies, lots eb—ebarb bbe- with widespread blue skies, lots of_start the day.- of sunshine to start the day. bbe— of sunshine to start the day. the exception— of sunshine to start the day. the exception to— of sunshine to start the day. the exception to this, the far aerbb— the exception to this, the far merbb eb— the exception to this, the far north of scotland, we'll north of scotland, where we'll eee—brem- see a weak weather front brbmgbmg— see a weak weather front bringing cloudier skies. some

bringing in cloudier skies. some ebewery— bringing in cloudier skies. some showery outbreaks— bringing in cloudier skies. some showery outbreaks of rain which as showery outbreaks of rain which aea—eee bbel as it comes south across the beer—mbe- as it comes south across thei rest—into northern rest of scotland into northern bagbaab— rest of scotland into northern england,_break. england, tending to break up babe— england, tending to break up into showers.— england, tending to break up into showers. so— england, tending to break up into showers. so again, a mbvbare— into showers. so again, a mixture-spellsl into showers. so again, a. mixture-spells and mixture of sunny spells and eewebe— mixture of sunny spells and showers afternoon, showers for the afternoon, meebby— showers for the afternoon, mostly conditions for the mostly fine conditions for the eeb—

it's 9:00 and this is a very ebeebab— it's 9:00 and this is a very special mark— it's 9:00 and this is a very special mark dolan tonight in my ebmbem— special mark dolan tonight in my ebmbew ae— special mark dolan tonight in my opinion, as labour— special mark dolan tonight in my opinion, as labour planned to gbve— opinion, as labour planned to gbve ab— opinion, as labour planned to gbve are be— opinion, as labour planned to gbve are be e— opinion, as labour planned to give up to 6 million eu citizens bbvmg— give up to 6 million eu citizens bbvmg m— give up to 6 million eu citizens living in britain— give up to 6 million eu citizens living in britain ,— give up to 6 million eu citizens living in britain , a— give up to 6 million eu citizens living in britain , a vote in the living in britain, a vote in the genera— living in britain, a vote in the general election— living in britain, a vote in the general election ,— living in britain, a vote in the general election , the message is general election, the message is bear— general election, the message is ebear vebe— general election, the message is clear vote labour— general election, the message is clear vote labour get remain. they— clear vote labour get remain. bbey warb— clear vote labour get remain. bbey warb ae— clear vote labour get remain. they want us back— clear vote labour get remain. they want us back in- clear vote labour get remain. they want us back in mae muller meets guest is top government minister paul scully. i'll be asking could a tory- a c i'll be asking could a tory civil war beee— asking could a tory civil war beee bbebb — asking could a tory civil war lose rishi sunak— asking could a tory civil war lose rishi sunak the keys to wamber— lose rishi sunak the keys to wamber beb— lose rishi sunak the keys to number 10? tonight's newsmaker is number 10? tonight's newsmaker bebm— number 10? tonight's newsmaker is ann widdecombe with a number is aim widdecombe with a number of is ann widdecombe with a number eb rbgbb— is ann widdecombe with a number eb rbgbb wbag— is ann widdecombe with a number of right wing parties coming not just of right wing parties coming not baeb me— of right wing parties coming not just come together because we're all just come together because we're abb bebmg— just come together because we're abb bemg bbe— just come together because we're all doing the same— just come together because we're all doing the same thing.

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