and 12 inbound planes suspended and 12 inbound planes were diverted to other airports. british airways says one of its flights was affected with it landing at stansted before refuelling and returning to gatwick. a spokesperson for the airport says passenger safety is the airport's absolute priority and the investigations have now been completed . suggestions of been completed. suggestions of unrest within the conservative party are being downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly a thousand councillors were lost and the decision to scale back post brexit plans to scrap eu laws . former home secretary laws. former home secretary priti patel accused the leader of failing to listen to his party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in glory since bofis covered itself in glory since boris johnson's leadership . boris johnson's leadership. energy secretary grant sharp says the prime minister is doing the right things and the people need to be patient. i think this and she— need to be patient. i think this and she ws— need to be patient. i think this and she was referring- need to be patient. i think this and she was referring to- : ithink this and she was referring to the set of elections— and she was referring to the set of elections which— and she was referring to the set of elections which were obviously— of elections which were obviously very difficult for the

conservatives. _ obviously very difficult for the conservatives. they weren't a good— conservatives. they weren't a good set— conservatives. they weren't a good set of— conservatives. they weren't a good set of elections for us, out— good set of elections for us, out this— good set of elections for us, but this was— good set of elections for us, but this was the— good set of elections for us, but this was the first opponunioy- but this was the first opportunity people have had to comment— opportunity people have had to comment shenanigans comment on all the shenanigans of-summor— comment on all the shenanigans of-summor ano— comment on all the shenanigans of summer and those many of last summer and those many leadership— of last summer and those many leadership changes that went on. i think— leadership changes that went on. monk people— leadership changes that went on. i think people were venting moir— i think people were venting their frustration. i i think people were venting theirfrustration. i actually their frustration. i actually think— their frustration. i actually thinkohoo— their frustration. i actually think that rishi sunak, in his five— think that rishi sunak, in his five point— think that rishi sunak, in his five point plan— think that rishi sunak, in his five point plan to halve inflation— five point plan to halve inflation and- five point plan to halve inflation and grow the economy and— inflation and grow the economy and rosoroo— inflation and grow the economy and restore reduce— inflation and grow the economy and restore reduce our debt and cut and restore reduce our debt and out she— and restore reduce our debt and out the nos— and restore reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list and stop— cut the nhs waiting list and stop the— cut the nhs waiting list and stop the small— cut the nhs waiting list and stop the small boats. i think hos— stop the small boats. i think ho-s doing— stop the small boats. i think he's doing exactly the right things— he's doing exactly the right shings ano— he's doing exactly the right things and let's judge him against— things and let's judge him against that. _ things and let's judge him against that. let's judge this government— against that. let's judge this government against that. it government against that. when it comes next election, i'm comes to the next election, i'm counting— comes to the next election, i'm sonnnng is— comes to the next election, i'm counting is underway in turkey to osnonnsn— counting is underway in turkey to establish who— counting is underway in turkey to establish who will be the noon— to establish who will be the next country's _ to establish who will be the next country's leader . next country's leader. voters nove— next country's leader. voters have been— next country's leader. voters have been deciding on whether president erdogan, who's been in power 20 years, should be power for 20 years, should be re—elected. opinion polls ahead of the ballot gave his main rival, kemal kilicdaroglu, a slight lead, but a clearer indication of the first round result is expected this evening . and the ukrainian president has received an award during his visit to germany . he was

visit to germany. he was presented with the international charlemagne prize of aachen in recognition of the ukrainian people and vladimir zelenskyy's fight for freedom against what's been described as the unjustified russian war of aggression. the board of directors said the award underscores the fact that ukraine is part of europe and the country supports the bloc's european values . tv online the country supports the bloc's european values. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to free speech nation . away speech nation. away. welcome. this is free speech— f nm" welcome. this is free speech nation f nair“ welcome. this is free speech nation . this is free speech nation. on on nongnn-s— this is free speech nation. on on tonight's show— this is free speech nation. on on tonight's show after trainspotting- on tonight's show after trainspotting author irvine

nonn— trainspotting author irvine wgg. says— trainspotting author irvine wgg. says on— trainspotting author irvine welsh says jk rowling's been nononsoo— welsh says jk rowling's been demonised for— welsh says jk rowling's been demonised for her feminist views . is no— demonised for her feminist views . is no nonn— demonised for her feminist views . is the harry potter— demonised for her feminist views . is the harry potter author nonn— . is the harry potter author moron o— . is the harry potter author merely a victim— . is the harry potter author merely a victim of twitter after the merely a victim of twitter after no onson— merely a victim of twitter after the prison service— merely a victim of twitter after the prison service says calling onninots— the prison service says calling onninns .— the prison service says calling criminals , calling criminals, criminals, calling criminals, onninns— criminals, calling criminals, onninns is— criminals, calling criminals, criminals is offensive, what snooty— criminals is offensive, what exactly should _ criminals is offensive, what exactly should we call them? wou— exactly should we call them? won no— exactly should we call them? we'll be speaking to a former onsonon— we'll be speaking to a former prisoner here— we'll be speaking to a former prisoner here if— we'll be speaking to a former prisoner here if i'm allowed to son— prisoner here if i'm allowed to son nin— prisoner here if i'm allowed to call him that— prisoner here if i'm allowed to call him that to— prisoner here if i'm allowed to call him that to get his take. ano— call him that to get his take. no nou— call him that to get his take. and we'll hear— call him that to get his take. and we'll hear how summer school nong— and we'll hear how summer school nving noooon— and we'll hear how summer school living freedom has— and we'll hear how summer school living freedom has made its nrsson— living freedom has made its no— living freedom has made its mission to defend free speech ngnn— mission to defend free speech ngnn no— mission to defend free speech ngnn no on— mission to defend free speech right up our street at my studio guests— right up our street at my studio gnosns nnis— right up our street at my studio guests this evening are sonogons— guests this evening are comedians cressida wetton and frances— comedians cressida wetton and frances foster— comedians cressida wetton and frances foster .— comedians cressida wetton and frances foster . to— comedians cressida wetton and frances foster . to kick comedians cressida wetton and frances foster. to kick things on,— frances foster. to kick things on, ton-s— frances foster. to kick things on, tons gon— frances foster. to kick things off, let's get some questions non— off, let's get some questions from no— off, let's get some questions from the audience. our first question— from the audience. our first question is— from the audience. our first question is from _ from the audience. our first question is from christina. so does— question is from christina. so does non— question is from christina. so does elon musk— question is from christina. so does elon musk really- question is from christina. so does elon musk really believe in free speech or is it just a greedy billionaire ? does elon greedy billionaire? does elon musk believe— greedy billionaire? does elon musk believe in— greedy billionaire? does elon musk believe in free- giililcgr cc ”ri?’ does elon musk believe in free speech? tns— musk believe in free speech? ms is— musk believe in free speech? ms is nnis— musk believe in free speech? this is this is— musk believe in free speech? this is this is relating to nonsen— this is this is relating to twitter boss— this is this is relating to twitter boss elon musk, who confirmed— twitter boss elon musk, who confirmed the _ twitter boss elon musk, who confirmed the social media platform,— confirmed the social media piononn, is— confirmed the social media platform, is blocking content in tunney.— platform, is blocking content in tunney. anson— platform, is blocking content in turkey. ahead of— platform, is blocking content in turkey. ahead of upcoming

presidential— turkey. ahead of upcoming presidential elections, which are presidential elections, which nopponng— presidential elections, which are happening today. he didn't spoon— are happening today. he didn't specify details— are happening today. he didn't specify details about which onsets— specify details about which tweets would _ specify details about which tweets would be affected or who nono— tweets would be affected or who nooo sno— tweets would be affected or who made the request.— tweets would be affected or who made the request. i should imagine— made the request. i should imagine is— made the request. i should imagine it's somebody on the presidents— imagine it's somebody on the president's side,— imagine it's somebody on the president's side, though, and turnsn— president's side, though, and turkish president recep tayyip erdogan— turkish president recep tayyip noogon nos— turkish president recep tayyip erdogan has previously blocked the erdogan has previously blocked nno sno— erdogan has previously blocked nno sno ong— erdogan has previously blocked the site and is— erdogan has previously blocked the site and is facing a strong snouongo— the site and is facing a strong snouongo g..— the site and is facing a strong challenge in the— the site and is facing a strong challenge in the election. from kyiv— challenge in the election. from kviv kno— challenge in the election. from kyiv kira rudik_ challenge in the election. from kyiv kira rudik ,_ challenge in the election. from kyiv kira rudik , the other guy , kyiv kira rudik, the other guy, musk— kyiv kira rudik, the other guy, musk noon— kyiv kira rudik, the other guy, musk wrote, did— kyiv kira rudik, the other guy, musk wrote, did your brain fall out on— musk wrote, did your brain fall out on youn— musk wrote, did your brain fall out of your head— musk wrote, did your brain fall out of your head ?_ musk wrote, did your brain fall out of your head ? iglesias out of your head? iglesias inn-s— out of your head? iglesias that's that's— out of your head? iglesias that's that's him responding to a that's that's him responding to o ionnnonsn— that's that's him responding to a journalist who— that's that's him responding to a journalist who asked him. so he a journalist who asked him. so no says— a journalist who asked him. so no says i...— a journalist who asked him. so he says the choice— a journalist who asked him. so he says the choice is to either snow— he says the choice is to either nnnon nou— he says the choice is to either throw full twitter— he says the choice is to either throw full twitter entirely or unn— throw full twitter entirely or limit access— throw full twitter entirely or limit access to _ throw full twitter entirely or limit access to some tweets that are limit access to some tweets that minn— limit access to some tweets that are mildly critical— limit access to some tweets that are mildly critical of the president— are mildly critical of the president .— are mildly critical of the president . which one do you president. which one do you nonn— president. which one do you want? no— president. which one do you want? he said— president. which one do you want? he said .— president. which one do you want? he said . i— president. which one do you want? he said . i mean, what do want? he said. i mean, what do you— want? he said. i mean, what do you nnon— want? he said. i mean, what do you no no— want? he said. i mean, what do you no go you— want? he said. i mean, what do you what do you make of this, nonsm— you what do you make of this, nonnss r— you what do you make of this, francis? i mean,— you what do you make of this, francis? i mean, this this seems uno— francis? i mean, this this seems like i— francis? i mean, this this seems like i noon— francis? i mean, this this seems like i r— francis? i mean, this this seems like i mean, i don't— francis? i mean, this this seems like i mean, i don't know, tech sononosn— like i mean, i don't know, tech oonnonipos no— like i mean, i don't know, tech companies are caught between a nook— companies are caught between a nook ong— companies are caught between a nook and o— companies are caught between a rock and a hard— companies are caught between a rock and a hard place. he's got no— rock and a hard place. he's got nno-onnon— rock and a hard place. he's got the-either not- the choice of either not oonsonng— the choice of either not censoring president's censoring the president's oppononns— censoring the president's oppononns on— censoring the president's opponents or having twitter completely— opponents or having twitter completely - off - opponents or having twitter completely-off .- opponents or having twitter completely off . well, at completely cut off. well, at onon— completely cut off. well, at not gonn— completely cut off. well, at no point .— completely cut off. well, at that point , you've got to ask, that point, you've got to ask, so onon— that point, you've got to ask, so no no— that point, you've got to ask, so what are what— that point, you've got to ask, so what are what are his values? 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so what are what are his values? is he actually pro free speech? ano— is he actually pro free speech? and in— is he actually pro free speech? and if no-s— is he actually pro free speech? and if no-s ono— is he actually pro free speech? and if he's pro free speech, noosn-n— and if he's pro free speech, doesn't that— and if he's pro free speech, doesn't that actually mean that yon-no— doesn't that actually mean that yon-no onon— doesn't that actually mean that yon-no onon going— doesn't that actually mean that you're then going to pay the price— you're then going to pay the price-your— you're then going to pay the price .your free- you're then going to pay the price your free speech? price for your free speech? on — price for your free speech? yeah, no, he's— price for your free speech? yeah, no, he's playing- price for your free speech? yeah, no, he's playing long yeah, no, he's playing the long game. like not game. surely this is like not swearing for ofcom, isn't it? he's within the he's got to keep within the lines make sure that because lines and make sure that because erdogan's previous he shut erdogan's got previous he shut down twitter before when there might have been some unhappy people his response to the people with his response to the earthquake. so got he's got earthquake. so he's got he's got to surely the to do this surely for the greater good. it's interesting onon— greater good. it's interesting snot-sonooo— greater good. it's interesting that-compare ofcom - giiari” 3: it's interesting that compare ofcom to that you compare ofcom to a monoton— that you compare ofcom to a dissonon .— that you compare ofcom to a dictator. you've— that you compare ofcom to a dictator . you've been that you compare ofcom to a dictator. you've been working at too on— dictator. you've been working at too on nons— dictator. you've been working at too gb news long.— dictator. you've been working at too gb news long. chris skudder. i'm too gb news long. chris skudder. in inso— too gb news long. chris skudder. nn insn saying— too gb news long. chris skudder. i'm just saying there are inns. — i'm just saying there are limits. you've- i'm just saying there are limits. /i. grin. i'm just saying there are limits. /ix. gix i'm just saying there are limits. v4ix. gix limits. you've got to play within the rules of the game, haven't you? so just haven't you? so he's just nonnng— haven't you? so he's just working within— i 7 so he's just working within rules, i ix.7 so he's just working within rules, just working within the rules, just as nobody— working within the rules, just as anybody posting on twitter is nonnng— as anybody posting on twitter is working within— as anybody posting on twitter is working within the guidelines of nonnon. — working within the guidelines of twitter. _elon- working within the guidelines of twitter. elon musk working within the guidelines of twitcome elon musk working within the guidelines of twitcome out elon musk working within the guidelines of twitcome out as elon musk working within the guidelines of twitcome out as freei musk working within the guidelines of twitcome out as free speech has come out as a free speech onsoinnsn — has come out as a free speech absolutist. .he_ has come out as a free speech absolutist. he said, you absolutist. and he said, you know.— absolutist. and he said, you know-is— absolutist. and he said, you know,-is one- absolutist. and he said, you know,-is one of- absolutist. and he said, you know, is one of the know, this is one of the cornerstones- know, this is one of the cornerstones of western civilisation. _ cornerstones of western civilisation. is civilisation. but the reality is onon— civilisation. but the reality is nnon n— civilisation. but the reality is when it comes— civilisation. but the reality is when it comes to— civilisation. but the reality is when it comes to other parts of the when it comes to other parts of no nong— when it comes to other parts of the world, turns— when it comes to other parts of the world, turns out they don't uno— the world, turns out they don't no n— the world, turns out they don't no n .— the world, turns out they don't no n . won.— the world, turns out they don't like it . well, we've seen this like it. well, we've seen this onon— like it. well, we've seen this nnn onnon— like it. well, we've seen this with other organisations with other tech organisations onon— with other tech organisations onon novo— with other tech organisations that have worked with , for that have worked with, for oxonoio— that have worked with, for example, chinese government example, the chinese government to example, the chinese government no-ooooss— example, the chinese government no-ooooss ono— example, the chinese government to-access and i— example, the chinese government to-access and i can't-

to limit access and i can't remember which which that google nonkoo— remember which which that google nonkoo winn— remember which which that google worked with the— remember which which that google worked with the chinese government _ worked with the chinese government to. mean they all government to. i mean they all probably— government to. i mean they all onononiy-nnn— government to. i mean they all probably -with the- government to. i mean they all probably with the chinese probably work with the chinese goonnnnonn — government. major, you know what i government. major, you know what r—insn— i mean? but not just manufacturing the, mobile manufacturing the, the mobile ononos— manufacturing the, the mobile phones—this- manufacturing the, the mobile phones—this is- phones and things. this is actually.— phones and things. this is actually, - know, - phones and things. this is actually, know, limiting actually, you know, limiting access to sites and limiting soonon— access to sites and limiting search-well- access to sites and limiting search -well the - access to sites and limiting search well the reality search results. well the reality is, search results. well the reality is. is— search results. well the reality is. is in— search results. well the reality is. is i you— search results. well the reality is, is if you want— search results. well the reality is, is if you want to operate in inoso— is, is if you want to operate in these countries,— is, is if you want to operate in these countries, then you have to these countries, then you have io oinono— these countries, then you have io oinono ny— these countries, then you have to adhere by their— these countries, then you have to adhere by their rules and a lot to adhere by their rules and a ioilinoso— to adhere by their rules and a lot these countries have , lot of these countries have, iono— lot of these countries have, iono i— lot of these countries have, iono i soy— lot of these countries have, iono i so i,— lot of these countries have, dare i say it, gender critical iooions— dare i say it, gender critical leaders mate.— dare i say it, gender critical leaders mate. so- dare i say it, gender critical leaders mate. so the good thing is nono— leaders mate. so the good thing is nono. musk— leaders mate. so the good thing is here, musk got— leaders mate. so the good thing is here, musk got it all out in ino— is here, musk got it all out in no open- — is here, musk got it all out in no opon. vio— is here, musk got it all out in the open. we know- is here, musk got it all out in the open. �*fin�*ii; is here, musk got it all out in the open. we know that he's going to be doing this. it's not shadowbanning. it's not sneaky. so that's quite good, isn't it, to so that's quite good, isn't it, io know— so that's quite good, isn't it, to know what's— so that's quite good, isn't it, to know what's going to happen. so to know what's going to happen. so no-s— to know what's going to happen. so no-s ioing— to know what's going to happen. so he's being open— to know what's going to happen. so he's being open about nosinioiing— so he's being open about restricting free- so he's being open about restricting free speech. iv4i;~;: restricting free speech. yes. i inns-s— restricting free speech. yes. i mean, that's-that- restricting free speech. yes. i mean, that's that great for mean, that's not that great for somebody supposed somebody who's supposed to be a free speech app. but the point is onon— free speech app. but the point is no no— free speech app. but the point is that we know— free speech app. but the point is that we know it's— ”ii; i but the point is that we know it's happening. so is that we know it's happening. so—oi— is that we know it's happening. so—oi nono- is that we know it's happening. so_of make it.- is that we know it's happening.| so_of make it. you so you can kind of make it. you adjust— so you can kind of make it. you oiinsi ion— so you can kind of make it. you can adjust for that,— so you can kind of make it. you can adjust for that, can't you, onon— can adjust for that, can't you, nnon yon-no— can adjust for that, can't you, when you're reading twitter. nui— when you're reading twitter. in ii— when you're reading twitter. in if no— when you're reading twitter. in if he did— when you're reading twitter. but if he did just— when you're reading twitter. but if he did just-to- when you're reading twitter. i but if he did just-to free but if he did just stick to free speech turn down speech absolutism and turn down the to the president's request to censor opponents, wouldn't censor his opponents, wouldn't people to access people then be forced to access twitter vpns and be able twitter through vpns and be able to have full free speech to have the full free speech experience? well we're not all

tech brilliant smarty pants like you. iwouldn't tech brilliant smarty pants like you. i wouldn't actually how to do you. i wouldn't actually how to no inan— you. i wouldn't actually how to do that myself. _ i wouldn't actually how to do that myself. iv4i;ia�* g do that myself. yeah, i guess inn-s— do that myself. yeah, i guess inoi-s on— do that myself. yeah, i guess so. that's an option.- do that myself. 4 g that's an option. is it? so. that's an option. is it? won— so. that's an option. is it? won novo— so. that's an option. is it? we'd have to— so. that's an option. is it? we'd have to go- that's an option. is it? we'd have to go to vpns. iniiiiicc we'd have to go to vpns. well, they— we'd have to go to vpns. well, inoy nonin— we'd have to go to vpns. well, they would have— we'd have to go to vpns. well, they would have to go to. that's what people do china. and what people do in china. and i think in scotland as the snp get increasingly authoritarian. but but our next question but moving on our next question is from lyle. where is lyle? hi hi. nice to be on again. mine hi. nice to be on again . mine is hi. nice to be on again. mine is ononn— hi. nice to be on again. mine is oioni ino— hi. nice to be on again. mine is about the wafting— hi. nice to be on again. mine is about the wafting smell of ionioonos— about the wafting smell of barbecues that's offending noignionns— barbecues that's offending noignionns .— barbecues that's offending neighbours . as an architect, neighbours. as an architect, i see a potential— neighbours. as an architect, i see a potential work coming in non— see a potential work coming in non youn— see a potential work coming in from your building . 100 foot from your building. 100 foot nign— from your building. 100 foot nign gioss— from your building. 100 foot high glass walls . maybe that'll hiin glass walls. maybe that'll be high glass walls. maybe that'll no ino— high glass walls. maybe that'll be the solution— high glass walls. maybe that'll be the solution . _ high glass walls. maybe that'll be the solution . iv4i;ia�* high glass walls. maybe that'll be the solution . 4 be the solution. so. yeah. so onio— be the solution. so. yeah. so this relates to earlier this week, a vegan family , sarah week, a vegan family, sarah wayne and kids is i don't think the name is kids sent an angry letter to their neighbour kylie. were these people named in the 80s i'm getting that by over the smell of their barbecue meat coming into their home and making them feel sick. they have since followed up with a last

warning letter threatening to report. kylie presumably to some level of authority and go to social media if she doesn't give in to demands . social media if she doesn't give in to demands. i mean, i'm in to their demands. i mean, i'm amazed vegans could find the energy to do that crazy, brilliant, brilliant. well, i don't think it— brilliant, brilliant. well, i don't think it goes- brilliant, brilliant. well, i don't think it goes far- well, i don't think it goes far enough. i don't think it goes far enough. i inink— don't think it goes far enough. i think anybody— don't think it goes far enough. i think anybody that wears body sprai— i think anybody that wears body spray on— i think anybody that wears body spray on pinio— i think anybody that wears body spray on public transport should get spray on public transport should goi o— spray on public transport should goi o iixoi— spray on public transport should get a fixed penalty notice on ino— get a fixed penalty notice on no soon— get a fixed penalty notice on no spoi- vou— get a fixed penalty notice on the spot. you know, you'd the spot. you know, i you'd noinon— the spot. you know, i you'd noinon poopio — the spot. you know, i you'd rather people -of - the spot. you know, i you'd rather people of b0 i'd rather people smelt of b0 i'd noinon— rather people smelt of b0 i'd noinon inoy— rather people smelt of b0 i'd rather they didn't— rather people smelt of b0 i'd rather they didn't smell of ononng.— rather they didn't smell of onyining. i— rather they didn't smell of anything. i just— rather they didn't smell of anything. i just i rather they didn't smell of anything. ijust i sort rather they didn't smell of anything. i just i sort of take non— anything. i just i sort of take non ooini. — anything. i just i sort of take non poini. i— anything. i just i sort of take her point. i mean, i wouldn't go nniiing— her point. i mean, i wouldn't go nniiing noosi— her point. i mean, i wouldn't go writing notes. yeah s writing notes. yeah > is that noo— writing notes. yeah > is that ioo passive— writing notes. yeah > is that too passive aggressive for you? yeah, for sure. it is aggressive. aggressive? yeah. if i'm going to be 33 ggiiss iii;7 yeah. if i'm going to be aggressive, yon-ii— i'm going to be aggressive, yon-ii-oioni- i'm going to be aggressive, you'll-about it. - i'm going to be aggressive, you'll about it. : i'm going to be aggressive,- you'll-about it. would you you'll know about it. would you be straight there with a be straight round there with a with smashing bottle of bud with a smashing a bottle of bud light it in their light and sticking it in their face? probably be on the face? no i'd probably be on the onono— face? no i'd probably be on the phone mooning— face? no i'd probably be on the phone moaning to— face? no i'd probably be on the phone moaning to a— i7 \iiiii i'd probably be on the phone moaning to a friend. yogi.— phone moaning to a friend. on maybe— phone moaning to a friend. noon. maybe i— phone moaning to a friend. yeah, maybe i am- phone moaning to a friend. yeah, maybe i am passive aggressive. i don't know. i insi— aggressive. i don't know. i insi. in— aggressive. i don't know. i just. i'm amazed- aggressive. i don't know. i- just. i'm amazed -woman just. i'm amazed that this woman nook—pogo. — just. i'm amazed that this woman nook—pogo. noon.- took a pen and paper. yeah, i insi— took a pen and paper. yeah, i insilnoon— took a pen and paper. yeah, i just.imean, wait— took a pen and paper. yeah, i just.imean, wait it- took a pen and paper. yeah, i just. mean, wait it out. it's just. i mean, wait it out. it's onio— just. i mean, wait it out. it's oniy. ii-s— just. i mean, wait it out. it's only. it's temporary, isn't it? and.— only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. nui— only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. not its— only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. but it's going- only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. but it's going to- only. it's temporary, isn't it? and. but it's going to be- and. but it's going to be a bigger, an increasing problem as we into summer. a lot of

we go into the summer. a lot of people gone based and people have gone plant based and the barbecue meat, the smell of barbecue meat, although you know, normal people find delicious. people find it delicious. people who aren't disgusted aren't normal can be disgusted by i see like this. by it. well, i see it like this. if they're going to get offended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit,y're going to get offended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then oing to get offended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then i'm| to get offended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then i'm allowediffended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then i'm allowed toended by it. well, i see it like this. if tit, then i'm allowed to bead by it, then i'm allowed to be offended by vegans coming into a space eating a whole bag full of lentils and then contaminating the atmosphere with their methane and creating their own miniature weather system , which miniature weather system, which which is a horrific greenhouse gas. exactly and contributes to global warming. warming yeah. so in many ways , they're part of in many ways, they're part of the problem. they are part of the problem. they are part of the problem. they are part of the problem. i mean, don't you don't you see this? i can't say i've had any big problems with vegan farts that i'm aware of. you didn't spend long enough on the comedy circuit. you know , the comedy circuit. you know, we've all got to get along, haven't we? maybe the big glass nous— haven't we? maybe the big glass noiis no— haven't we? maybe the big glass noiis ino— haven't we? maybe the big glass walls are the answer.— i i 7 maybe the big glass walls are the answer. yeah keep ooonony— walls are the answer. yeah keep everyone separate— walls are the answer. yeah keep everyone separate .— walls are the answer. yeah keep everyone separate . yeah, i everyone separate. yeah, i inink. — everyone separate. yeah, i inink. i— everyone separate. yeah, i think. i think— everyone separate. yeah, i think. g everyone separate. yeah, i- think. i think pushing because i've seen so much vegan food being pushed on us. if you go to get a sandwich at marks and

spencer's, i got one. i got a yellow sticker sandwich, one of their plant based. it was supposed to be a no lamb shawarma . like i'm not shawarma. and like i'm not joking. the stuff that was supposed an all vegan supposed to be lamb an all vegan food is, you know, it's got the reputation of being disgusting. but was insane, but this was just insane, rancid. it was like was like rancid. it was like it was like boiled tube. it was , well, boiled inner tube. it was, well, i mind people having i don't mind people having disgusting hate that disgusting food. i hate that food disgusting food. i hate that foot-got— disgusting food. i hate that noon-got so— disgusting food. i hate that food-got so political. . i: g g : i hate that food got so political. it's food has got so political. it's ino— food has got so political. it's noo-sonn— food has got so political. it's like-can't-buy- like you can't just buy a soninion— like you can't just buy a sandwich now- like you can't just buy a sandwich now without it being a pontoon— sandwich now without it being a political comment. and i find not— political comment. and i find that-tiresome- political comment. and i find that-tiresome. - political comment. and i find that-tiresome . i- political comment. and i find that tiresome . that a bit tiresome. i love eating— that a bit tiresome. i love eating a— that a bit tiresome. i love eating a sandwich and supporting gay people . do you remember when gay people. do you remember when they like the lgbt marks and spencer's released that? it's brilliant . well, think how think brilliant. well, think how think how thick that sandwich is going to be. there's all those other letters the lgbtq two plus letters in the lgbtq two plus plus hyphen asterisks. yeah ukraine flag symbol. i mean, it's . it's ukraine flag symbol. i mean, it's. it's ridiculous to think about it. if you eat an lgbt sandwich , you're giving two sandwich, you're giving two fingers up to saudi arabia because number one, it's pro 93v- because number one, it's pro gay. and number two, you're eating bacon, two fingers up.

you see. anyway, our next question is from alan. where's alan? over here. hello. should you— alan? over here. hello. should you got— alan? over here. hello. should you got o— alan? over here. hello. should you get a pay— alan? over here. hello. should you get a pay ri59— w7 over here. hello. should you get a pay rise even when you are you get a pay rise even when you not— you get a pay rise even when you are not working? _ you get a pay rise even when you are not working? whip : are not working? well, i should . now, this is this is about a man who's been on sick leave since 2008, who's suing his employer for not giving pay him a pay employer for not giving pay him a pay raise in the meantime, arguing that inflation is withering away. his salary . so withering away. his salary. so he's called ian clifford. he's employed by tech giant ibm, but he's been off sick for the past 15 years. just your average british worker, really. and according to his linkedin profile, he's been medically retired since 2013 under the terms of the company's health plan, where an employee has the right to earn three quarters of their agreed earnings , as their agreed earnings, as clifford has received an an annual payment of £54,028 and will keep doing so until he's 65. so in the end he'll have received about £1.5 million for sitting at home on his couch.

i'm not sure what's wrong with him. maybe it's something terribly serious and we shouldn't but i shouldn't be laughing. but i mean, do you make of this? mean, what do you make of this? i'll tell you what, i bet he nnitos— i'll tell you what, i bet he nnitos o— i'll tell you what, i bet he writes a fantastic neighbour oonpioint. — writes a fantastic neighbour complaint. no— writes a fantastic neighbour complaint. no what do i make of it? complaint. no what do i make of itolnoon— complaint. no what do i make of itolnoon goot— complaint. no what do i make of it?imean, good on— complaint. no what do i make of it? mean, good on him. wow it? i mean, good on him. wow its— it? i mean, good on him. wow it-s-innnossivo.- it? i mean, good on him. wow it's impressive, isn't it's really impressive, isn't it, it's really impressive, isn't it-tnot- it's really impressive, isn't it,-that much. it, to extract that much money for absolutely— it, to extract that much money for absolutely nothing. you know.— for absolutely nothing. you. tnon—nioyon. know, don't blame the player. niono— know, don't blame the player. oono—tos- know, don't blame the player. blame_yes.idon't| blame the game. yes. i don't know. — blame the game. yes. i don't know. loan— blame the game. yes. i don't know. imean, those- blame the game. yes. i don't know. ati; know. i mean, those are incredible rules because, i mean, places you get some mean, most places you get some sick and then statutory sick pay and then it's statutory sick pay and then it's statutory sick then you're left to sick pay and then you're left to die. i mean, as die. yeah, exactly. i mean, as somebody who comes from a nation thatis somebody who comes from a nation that is famously work shy, leo, there's got to be a part of you that admires britain. well, scotland, scotland . oh, you're scotland, scotland. oh, you're talking about me. i thought you were talking about your venezuelan heritage, man . venezuelan heritage, man. disappointing. at least we're not through the bins in not going through the bins in scotland. france give him water. give him five years under humza, mate . that's a fair point. mate. that's a fair point. i mean, scotland is basically venezuela with worse weather. yeah, but i mean, this. this do you think he's right to ask for a raise when he's not actually

done anything? i think he's you know, when you get away with something and you think i wonder how much more i can get away with like you've somehow managed to get backstage at the rolling stones concert you think, stones concert and you think, oh, if i can pretend oh, i wonder if i can pretend i'm band and you just i'm in the band and you just keep to see what keep keep pushing to see what you get. ithink keep keep pushing to see what you get. i think it's you can get. i think it's extraordinary,- you can get. i think it's extraordinary, but- tia grip i think it's extraordinary, but we don't tia gii i think it's extraordinary, but we don't know nnat— extraordinary, but we don't know that nos— extraordinary, but we don't know that no-s ott— extraordinary, but we don't know what he's off sick— extraordinary, but we don't know what he's off sick with. so, you know.— what he's off sick with. so, you know. is— what he's off sick with. so, you know. is it— what he's off sick with. so, you know, is it something that ibm tit-o — know, is it something that ibm tit-o lion-t— know, is it something that ibm did? .don't know. - know, is it something that ibm did? t:tir i yeah, that did? we don't know. yeah, that is-voan.— did? we don't know. yeah, that is-voan. inat— did? we don't know. yeah, that is-yeah. that-very- is true. yeah. that is very tnao— is true. yeah. that is very too. so— is true. yeah. that is very true. so maybe- is true. yeah. that is very true. so maybe all we know is tnat— true. so maybe all we know is tnat-onotatiy— true. so maybe all we know is that probably member of that he's probably a member of the that he's probably a member of tno-itany.— that he's probably a member of the party, probably the labour party, probably nanning— the labour party, probably. running—final running it. anyway, our final gaostion— running it. anyway, our final question moment running it. anyway, our final- question-momentlfrom question for the moment is from catnonino. — question for the moment is from catherine. anne.— question for the moment is from catherine. anne. catherine. noiio — catherine. anne. catherine. - noiio —oioto hello has shakespeare's globe taken trigger warnings too far? has shakespeare's globe taken tniggon— has shakespeare's globe taken tniggon wannings— has shakespeare's globe taken trigger warnings too far? and tnis— trigger warnings too far? and tnis is— trigger warnings too far? and this is about— trigger warnings too far? and this is about an— trigger warnings too far? and this is about an actor with tnantisn— this is about an actor with dwarfish ism— this is about an actor with dwarfish ism who's triggered attoisn — dwarfish ism who's triggered ableism warnings for a midsummer's night dream. shakespeare's— midsummer's night dream. shakespeare's globe, which has noon— shakespeare's globe, which has toon attot— shakespeare's globe, which has been added to— shakespeare's globe, which has been added to an— shakespeare's globe, which has been added to an earlier warning of been added to an earlier warning ot vioionoo— been added to an earlier warning ot vioionoo .— been added to an earlier warning of violence , sexual— been added to an earlier warning of violence , sexual references, of violence, sexual references, misogyny— of violence, sexual references, misogyny ant— of violence, sexual references, misogyny and racism. after casting— misogyny and racism. after oasting tno— misogyny and racism. after casting the role— misogyny and racism. after casting the role of hermia, the

giotto— casting the role of hermia, the oioto nas— casting the role of hermia, the globe has updated their content gaitanoo— globe has updated their content gaitanoo to— globe has updated their content guidance to include ableism tosoniting— guidance to include ableism describing inaction or prejudice against— describing inaction or prejudice against ooopio— describing inaction or prejudice against people with disabilities as tat— against people with disabilities as but claimed— against people with disabilities as but claimed shakespeare's soniot— as but claimed shakespeare's sonipt only— as but claimed shakespeare's script only became ableist when francesca mills— script only became ableist when francesca mills ,_ script only became ableist when francesca mills , an actor with francesca mills, an actor with achondroplasia _ francesca mills, an actor with achondroplasia ,_ francesca mills, an actor with achondroplasia , was cast in achondroplasia, was cast in manon— achondroplasia, was cast in iianon as— achondroplasia, was cast in march as the _ achondroplasia, was cast in march as the young athenian woman, hermia— march as the young athenian woman, hermia we've spoken to her woman, hermia we've spoken to non ant— woman, hermia we've spoken to non ant sno-s— woman, hermia we've spoken to her and she's grumpy . do you get her and she's grumpy. do you get it? — her and she's grumpy. do you get it? i— her and she's grumpy. do you get it? i to— her and she's grumpy. do you get it? i is got— her and she's grumpy. do you get it? i is got it.— her and she's grumpy. do you get it? i do get it, mate. - it? i do get it, mate. absolutely. i- it? i do get it, mate. absolutely. i was- it? t:tit titi. i absolutely. i was expecting a tniggon— absolutely. i was expecting a tiggon tangi— absolutely. i was expecting a bigger laugh. no, she's not. ston— bigger laugh. no, she's not. she's actually— bigger laugh. no, she's not. i 01.3: she she's actually delighted. she always wanted to play i 01.3: she always wanted to play this i t:ti;. 3: she always wanted to play this part. sno— always wanted to play this part. sno nantot— always wanted to play this part. she wanted to— always wanted to play this part. she wanted to perform at the oioto — she wanted to perform at the oioto ant— she wanted to perform at the globe and she's— she wanted to perform at the globe and she's delighted. but it ooms— globe and she's delighted. but it a— globe and she's delighted. but it seems a little— globe and she's delighted. but it seems a little it's almost insaiting— it seems a little it's almost insulting-the— it seems a little it's almost insulting the globe to say insulting of the globe to say tnat— insulting of the globe to say tnat .— insulting of the globe to say tnat . mann— insulting of the globe to say that . warn people that there's that. warn people that there's a in tno— that. warn people that there's a in to stay.— that. warn people that there's a in the play. well,— that. warn people that there's a in the play. well, look what tnoy— in the play. well, look what tnoy tit— in the play. well, look what tnoy tit is— in the play. well, look what they did is they— in the play. well, look what they did is they say cast this actress. now,— they did is they say cast this actress. now, i'm— they did is they say cast this actress. now, i'm sure she's on— actress. now, i'm sure she's on good.— actress. now, i'm sure she's on goot. nat— actress. now, i'm sure she's very good. but then they've cast her very good. but then they've cast to in— very good. but then they've cast to in tno— very good. but then they've cast her in the role— very good. but then they've cast her in the role and— very good. but then they've cast her in the role and then she gots— her in the role and then she gots ioats— her in the role and then she gets loads of— her in the role and then she gets loads of insults told at non— gets loads of insults told at to about— gets loads of insults told at her about her— gets loads of insults told at her about her size in the saint— her about her size in the saint not— her about her size in the saint not to— her about her size in the script, not by the script. by tno— script, not by the script. by the audience?— script, not by the script. by the audience? no. yeah. no, not by tno— the audience? no. yeah. no, not by the audience.— the audience? no. yeah. no, not by the audience. right. however, onion— by the audience. right. however, onion is— by the audience. right. however, onion is tint— by the audience. right. however, which is kind of— by the audience. right. however, which is kind of like inviting a

vogan— which is kind of like inviting a vogan into— which is kind of like inviting a vogan into a— which is kind of like inviting a vegan into a steak restaurant. tom.— vegan into a steak restaurant. voan. ant— vegan into a steak restaurant. yeah. and then— vegan into a steak restaurant. yeah. and then when they start crying— yeah. and then when they start crying going-— yeah. and then when they start crying going. that's right. have some more fillet— crying going. that's right. have some more fillet mignon. do you mon— some more fillet mignon. do you know innat— some more fillet mignon. do you know nnat i— some more fillet mignon. do you know what i mean?— some more fillet mignon. do you know what i mean? this is a goat— know what i mean? this is a gnoat itoa— know what i mean? this is a great idea, francis. it's a hell of great idea, francis. it's a hell ot a— great idea, francis. it's a hell ot a gamo— great idea, francis. it's a hell of a game show.— great idea, francis. it's a hell of a game show. yeah, well , great idea, francis. it's a hell of a game show. yeah, well, i ton-t— of a game show. yeah, well, i ton-t ito— of a game show. yeah, well, i don't like trigger— of a game show. yeah, well, i don't like trigger warnings. tatt— don't like trigger warnings. tait stop— don't like trigger warnings. tait stop .— don't like trigger warnings. tait stop . i— don't like trigger warnings. full stop . i mean,- don't like trigger warnings. full stop. i mean, surely the fun of going to see shakespeare is that you're going to be horrified whatever. well, my horrified or whatever. well, my first with first experience with shakespeare school we shakespeare was at school. we were school a were at primary school and a theatre company did theatre company came and did macbeth with us. and it was brilliant. you know, we were kids. we wanted to be scared by witches and violence and all that i'm not fan of that stuff. so i'm not a fan of the trigger warnings at all. i think they should get rid of all of them. mean, for grown of them. i mean, it's for grown ups. shakespeare. were you ups. it's shakespeare. were you expecting? yeah, absolutely. i ooaitn-t—tol couldn't agree more. and do you tnint— couldn't agree more. and do you tnint-nist— couldn't agree more. and do you think-risk that- think there's a risk that potitioai— think there's a risk that political correctness is actually— political correctness is actually driving people with witn— actually driving people with win—oat- actually driving people with witn—oat ot- actually driving people with. with _out of there's with disabilities out of there's a-it— with disabilities out of there's a-it-tnivo- with disabilities out of there's a-it-drive people. with disabilities out of there's a it drive people out a risk it could drive people out of a risk it could drive people out ot—i— a risk it could drive people out ot—i moan- a risk it could drive people out ot—i i- a risk it could drive people out of_| mean, i know,j of performing. i mean, i know, you— of performing. i mean, i know, you know.— of performing. i mean, i know, you know, dwarves_ of performing. i mean, i know, you know, dwarves . there used to you know, dwarves. there used to be you know, dwarves. there used to to an— you know, dwarves. there used to to an intastny— you know, dwarves. there used to be an industry of— you know, dwarves. there used to be an industry of dwarves appoaning— be an industry of dwarves appoaning in— be an industry of dwarves appearing in pantomimes and now tnat-s— appearing in pantomimes and now tnat-s not— appearing in pantomimes and now tnat-s not soon— appearing in pantomimes and now that's not seen as— appearing in pantomimes and now

that's not seen as politically not— that's not seen as politically correct anymore. _ that's not seen as politically correct anymore. so but it's moonsto— correct anymore. so but it's otvioasty. yon— correct anymore. so but it's obviously, you know, probably tan— obviously, you know, probably more fun than— obviously, you know, probably more fun than stack and shelves. ant— more fun than stack and shelves. ant aiso— more fun than stack and shelves. ant aiso tnoy— more fun than stack and shelves. and also they can't— more fun than stack and shelves. and also they can't reach the snoivos. — and also they can't reach the snoivos. so — and also they can't reach the shelves. so it's— and also they can't reach the shelves. so it's not used to mom — shelves. so it's not used to mom anyway.— shelves. so it's not used to them anyway. well thanks for tnat— them anyway. well thanks for ma ono— them anyway. well thanks for that one, leah. _ them anyway. well thanks for that one, leah. i— them anyway. well thanks for that one, leah. i don't quite mon— that one, leah. i don't quite know innat— that one, leah. i don't quite know what i'm— that one, leah. i don't quite know what i'm going to say to tnat— know what i'm going to say to tnat. tat— know what i'm going to say to tnat. tat it— know what i'm going to say to that, but it makes— know what i'm going to say to that, but it makes me think about— that, but it makes me think about tno— that, but it makes me think about the whole— that, but it makes me think about the whole thing, about tniggon— about the whole thing, about trigger warnings. it's just nmon— trigger warnings. it's just number one,— trigger warnings. it's just number one, it's patronising nmon— number one, it's patronising nmot two.— number one, it's patronising number two, has anybody really ever been triggered by a pnotaotion— ever been triggered by a production of— ever been triggered by a production of a midsummer tignt-s— production of a midsummer night's dream?— production of a midsummer night's dream? yeah maybe you've noon— night's dream? yeah maybe you've toon tonot— night's dream? yeah maybe you've toon boot to— night's dream? yeah maybe you've been bored by it.— night's dream? yeah maybe you've been bored by it. yeah but yon-o— been bored by it. yeah but you've never come out of it going.— you've never come out of it going. on.— you've never come out of it going. on. my— you've never come out of it going, oh, my god, i can never tanotion— going, oh, my god, i can never function again— going, oh, my god, i can never function again in— going, oh, my god, i can never function again in society . you function again in society. you noot— function again in society. you noot to— function again in society. you noot to moot— function again in society. you need to meet somebody under the age need to meet somebody under the ago ot— need to meet somebody under the ago oi oi.— need to meet somebody under the age of 35. francis— need to meet somebody under the age of 35. francis that is oxaotiy— age of 35. francis that is exactly what _ age of 35. francis that is exactly what they're like. how is it? — exactly what they're like. how is it? i— exactly what they're like. how is it? i witt— exactly what they're like. how is it? i will tell— exactly what they're like. how is it? i will tell you- exactly what they're like. how is it? .. is it? i will tell you a story. it's a little bit risque.- is it? .. it's a little bit risque. there a oomoty— it's a little bit risque. there was a comedy night, and this is the was a comedy night, and this is to mam— was a comedy night, and this is the main reason— was a comedy night, and this is the main reason i— was a comedy night, and this is the main reason i trigger naings— the main reason i trigger warnings. there was a comedy nignt— warnings. there was a comedy nignt oaiiot— warnings. there was a comedy night called trigger warning a few night called trigger warning a ton-ago— night called trigger warning a ton-ago in— night called trigger warning a few ago in edinburgh, and few years ago in edinburgh, and the few years ago in edinburgh, and to pnomoton— few years ago in edinburgh, and the promoter was— few years ago in edinburgh, and the promoter was had at few years ago in edinburgh, and the promoter was had a t shirt oatiot— the promoter was had a t shirt oattot tniggon— the promoter was had a t shirt called trigger warning to pnomoto— called trigger warning to promote the— called trigger warning to promote the show. yeah, there only— promote the show. yeah, there only ono— promote the show. yeah, there was only one problem. he was noaning— was only one problem. he was noaning a— was only one problem. he was wearing a shirt— was only one problem. he was wearing a shirt over it, so it nat— wearing a shirt over it, so it tag it—

wearing a shirt over it, so it tag it nit— wearing a shirt over it, so it had it hit the— wearing a shirt over it, so it had it hit the t— wearing a shirt over it, so it had it hit the t in the r. oh so— had it hit the t in the r. oh so no— had it hit the t in the r. oh no. so he looked- had it hit the t in the r. oh no. so he looked like he was going— no. so he looked like he was going nonna— no. so he looked like he was going round and— no. so he looked like he was going round and being very problematic.— going round and being very problematic. yeah. yeah yeah. okay— problematic. yeah. yeah yeah. okay oin— problematic. yeah. yeah yeah. okay oan nokt— problematic. yeah. yeah yeah. okay our next question is from gb okay our next question is from on vions. — okay our next question is from on vions. ityan— okay our next question is from gb views. ryan says , why does gb views. ryan says, why does liz gb views. ryan says, why does its inass— gb views. ryan says, why does liz truss want— gb views. ryan says, why does liz truss want to— gb views. ryan says, why does liz truss want to destroy nnitain— liz truss want to destroy nnitain 7— liz truss want to destroy britain ? so _ liz truss want to destroy britain ? so i— liz truss want to destroy britain ? so i think what she's britain? so i think what she's taiking— britain? so i think what she's talking about— britain? so i think what she's talking about here is liz truss wants— talking about here is liz truss wants tik— talking about here is liz truss wants uk hard— talking about here is liz truss wants uk hard power to bolster iainan— wants uk hard power to bolster taiwan against— wants uk hard power to bolster taiwan against china's threat. so taiwan against china's threat. so tno— taiwan against china's threat. so the former— taiwan against china's threat. so the former pm, well she was pm so the former pm, well she was iii ton— so the former pm, well she was iii ton atoat— so the former pm, well she was pm for about three— so the former pm, well she was pm for about three minutes. sno-s— pm for about three minutes. she's expected— pm for about three minutes. she's expected to say that if tno— she's expected to say that if to most— she's expected to say that if the west wants— she's expected to say that if the west wants to avoid war in the west wants to avoid war in to soatn — the west wants to avoid war in the south china— the west wants to avoid war in the south china sea , it must get the south china sea, it must get noai— the south china sea, it must get noai atoat— the south china sea, it must get real about military— the south china sea, it must get real about military cooperation. a real about military cooperation. k pnominont— real about military cooperation. a prominent china hawk, when she sonog— a prominent china hawk, when she sonot as— a prominent china hawk, when she sonot as immo— a prominent china hawk, when she served as prime minister and tonoign— served as prime minister and foreign secretary, mistrust has mato— foreign secretary, mistrust has mato iainan— foreign secretary, mistrust has made taiwan one— foreign secretary, mistrust has made taiwan one of the key areas of made taiwan one of the key areas ot intonost— made taiwan one of the key areas ot intonost ton— made taiwan one of the key areas of interest for her— made taiwan one of the key areas of interest for her post downing stnoot— of interest for her post downing street career. _ of interest for her post downing street career. i— of interest for her post downing street career. i mean , what do street career. i mean, what do you— street career. i mean, what do you mako— street career. i mean, what do you mako ot— street career. i mean, what do you make of this— street career. i mean, what do you make of this chris skudder ? you make of this chris skudder? i you make of this chris skudder? i ton-t— you make of this chris skudder? i ton-t know— you make of this chris skudder? i don't know what— you make of this chris skudder? i don't know what to _ you make of this chris skudder? i don't know what to make- you make of this chris skudder? i don't know what to make of this. i mean, is she going to trigger more trouble or is she going to stop trouble? i'm not sure which way. i mean, i know you've got a lot of views. if i

was taiwan, i'd be very- was taiwan, i'd be very worried about— was taiwan, i'd be very worried about tis— was taiwan, i'd be very worried about liz truss— was taiwan, i'd be very worried about liz truss getting invoivoot— about liz truss getting involved. do- about liz truss getting involved. do you think she's. tkaotiy.— involved. do you think she's. exactly. exactly— involved. do you think she's. exactly. exactly _ involved. do you think she's. exactly. exactly hello, i'm from the government. here to the government. i'm here to help. god. do you think help. oh, my god. do you think sno-s— help. oh, my god. do you think sno-s jumping?— help. oh, my god. do you think she's jumping? put— help. oh, my god. do you think she's jumping? put her- o" ct: do you think she's jumping? put her up to tnis. — she's jumping? put her up to tnis. -gaito— she's jumping? put her up to this. -quite possibly. i she's jumping? put her up to. this. -quite possibly. oh, this. yeah, quite possibly. oh, god, cynical and so god, that's so cynical and so possible. well, yeah, maybe that best don't know. he is. best mates. i don't know. he is. he. you make a point,- best mates. i don't know. he is. he. you make a point, and- titit" . he is. he. you make a point, and all of a station.— he. you make a point, and all of a sudden,-hopkins- he. you make a point, and all of a sudden, hopkins pops up a sudden, katie hopkins pops up and a sudden, katie hopkins pops up ant-on.— a sudden, katie hopkins pops up ant-on. i— a sudden, katie hopkins pops up ant-on. i agnoo— a sudden, katie hopkins pops up and oh, i agree with you. and goes, oh, i agree with you. ton-no— and goes, oh, i agree with you. ton-no iiko— and goes, oh, i agree with you. you're like, no,— and goes, oh, i agree with you. you're like, no, i— and goes, oh, i agree with you. you're like, no, i mean, like, why— you're like, no, i mean, like, tiny-ano— you're like, no, i mean, like, nny-ano no- you're like, no, i mean, like, why are we listening to why is why are we listening to liz why is why are we listening to its inass-s— why is why are we listening to liz truss's opinion— why is why are we listening to liz truss's opinion about anytningo— liz truss's opinion about anything? genuinely , anything? well, genuinely, aotaaiiy— anything? well, genuinely, aotaaiiy. in— anything? well, genuinely, actually, in fairness to liz inass— actually, in fairness to liz inass sno— actually, in fairness to liz truss, she had— actually, in fairness to liz truss, she had 45 days in power. i truss, she had 45 days in power. i know— truss, she had 45 days in power. i know i— truss, she had 45 days in power. i know i agnoot— truss, she had 45 days in power. i know i agreed with her stance on tax. — i know i agreed with her stance on tax. no— i know i agreed with her stance on tax. we need— i know i agreed with her stance on tax. we need lower taxes. but nnat— on tax. we need lower taxes. but nnat sno— on tax. we need lower taxes. but what she didn't— on tax. we need lower taxes. but what she didn't do— on tax. we need lower taxes. but what she didn't do was announce a natt— what she didn't do was announce a natt ot— what she didn't do was announce a raft of public— what she didn't do was announce a raft of public sector cost oatting— a raft of public sector cost oatting to— a raft of public sector cost oatting to pay— a raft of public sector cost cutting to pay for the tax cuts, nmon— cutting to pay for the tax cuts, nnion nas— cutting to pay for the tax cuts, which was her— cutting to pay for the tax cuts, which was her big— cutting to pay for the tax cuts, which was her big mistake . she which was her big mistake. she snoait— which was her big mistake. she snoait nano— which was her big mistake. she should have she— which was her big mistake. she should have she should have just gono— should have she should have just gono-yoa— should have she should have just gono-yoa know.— should have she should have just gone you know, okay, every gone like, you know, okay, every tnint—iooai- third person at a local aattonity— third person at a local authority, you don't have a job tomorrow . that— authority, you don't have a job tomorrow . that was big, authority, you don't have a job tomorrow. that was big, big tomorrow. that was a big, big mistako— tomorrow. that was a big, big mistako .— tomorrow. that was a big, big mistako . nat— tomorrow. that was a big, big mistake . but i— tomorrow. that was a big, big mistake . but i mean, i think mistake. but i mean, i think mayto— mistake. but i mean, i think mayto tno— mistake. but i mean, i think mayto tno ak— mistake. but i mean, i think maybe the uk has been bolstered by oa— maybe the uk has been bolstered by saoooss— maybe the uk has been bolstered by our success in— maybe the uk has been bolstered by our success in supporting anamo— by our success in supporting tiknaino. koa— by our success in supporting ukraine. you know, we're tinaity— ukraine. you know, we're tinaity. yoa— ukraine. you know, we're finally, you know, doing all

nignt— finally, you know, doing alli nignt—no right in eurovision. well, we nono-yoan. — right in eurovision. well, we were-year. not- right in eurovision. well, we were year. not anymore. so were last year. not anymore. so now we're looking,— were last year. not anymore. so now we're looking, you know, nnono— now we're looking, you know, nnono oiso— now we're looking, you know, where else can— now we're looking, you know, where else can can we have an where else can we can we have an impact— where else can we can we have an impact a— where else can we can we have an impact i not.— where else can we can we have an impact a non. i— where else can we can we have an impact? well, i-look,- where else can we can we have an impact ? well, i look, this impact? well, i mean, look, this is-noaiity— impact? well, i mean, look, this is-noaiity is.- impact? well, i mean, look, this is-noaiity is. is- impact? well, i mean, look, this is-reality is, is that. is true. the reality is, is that sitaation— is true. the reality is, is that sitaation is— is true. the reality is, is that situation is very— is true. the reality is, is that situation is very ,_ is true. the reality is, is that situation is very , very, very situation is very, very, very nonnying— situation is very, very, very worrying because as we all know, iainan— worrying because as we all know, iainan is— worrying because as we all know, iainan is ono— worrying because as we all know, iainan is ot— worrying because as we all know, taiwan is one of the— worrying because as we all know, taiwan is one of the premier makos— taiwan is one of the premier makos ot— taiwan is one of the premier makers of manufacturers of semiconductors. _ makers of manufacturers of semiconductors. i don't actually know— semiconductors. i don't actually know nnat— semiconductors. i don't actually know what semiconductors do, but annanontiy— know what semiconductors do, but apparently they're _ know what semiconductors do, but apparently they're very imnonant.— apparently they're very important. they are . they're in important. they are. they're in ononytning.— important. they are. they're in everything. yeah.— important. they are. they're in everything. yeah. so they're iiko— everything. yeah. so they're like microplastics. anyway, coming— like microplastics. anyway, ooming ap— like microplastics. anyway, ooming an on— like microplastics. anyway, coming up on free speech nation .no-ii— coming up on free speech nation not to— coming up on free speech nation , we'll be talking— coming up on free speech nation , we'll be talking to a harvard nnotosson— , we'll be talking to a harvard professor about— , we'll be talking to a harvard professor about how academics are professor about how academics tignting— professor about how academics are fighting back— professor about how academics are fighting back to ensure free snooon — are fighting back to ensure free spooon noign— are fighting back to ensure free speech reign supreme on aninonsity— speech reign supreme on university campuses. see you .

over the time is actually people care more about— over the time is actually people care more about my actions and the care more about my actions and to man— care more about my actions and to i— care more about my actions and to i am— care more about my actions and the man i am today than what i did the man i am today than what i tit is.— the man i am today than what i tit is. zo— the man i am today than what i did 15, 20 years— the man i am today than what i did 15, 20 years ago. ”ti; did 15, 20 years ago. life mo— did 15, 20 years ago. life across the uk.— did 15, 20 years ago. life across the uk. this is gb news radio . radio. . iwelcome radio. - iwelcome back tatio. — l welcome back to tatio. — . welcome back to free radio. welcome back to free speech . welcome back to free speech nation. — . welcome back to free speech nation. knitt— . welcome back to free speech nation. with me,— . welcome back to free speech nation. with me, leo— welcome back to free speech nation. mn

nation. with me, leo kearse. now the strangling of free speech in universities across this country is something we talk about a lot on this program. it's no surprise it's happening overseas too. but did you know academie mics at none other than harvard university are trying to turn the tide? so how exactly are they going about it? john stone, family professor of psychology at harvard university. steve pinker , joins us from pinker, joins us from massachusetts . steve, thanks for massachusetts. steve, thanks for joining us. thank you for having me. and tell us about what yoa— me. and tell us about what yoa toing— me. and tell us about what you're doing at— and tell us about what you're doing at harvard . ' gtix. you're doing at harvard. a group of you're doing at harvard. a group at taoaity— you're doing at harvard. a group of faculty have— you're doing at harvard. a group of faculty have formed a council that has no official status, but we have banded together so that to make free speech a thing that is to have one constituency that actually is saying that it's a good thing. there's a huge institution— good thing. there's a huge institution sized— g: 3 there's a huge institution sized bureaucracy of aot— institution sized bureaucracy of a ot tinonsity— institution sized bureaucracy of a of diversity and— institution sized bureaucracy of a of diversity and inclusion and toionging— a of diversity and inclusion and toionging tnat— a of diversity and inclusion and belonging that seems to have no nantioaian— belonging that seems to have no particular concern— belonging that seems to have no particular concern for academic tnootom— particular concern for academic tnootom. no— particular concern for academic freedom. we thought that there

snoait — freedom. we thought that there snoait to — freedom. we thought that there should be some— freedom. we thought that there should be some entity that aotaaiiy— should be some entity that actually stands— should be some entity that actually stands up for it . we actually stands up for it. we aiso— actually stands up for it. we aiso pian— actually stands up for it. we aiso nian to— actually stands up for it. we also plan to push back when a group— also plan to push back when a goat ot— also plan to push back when a group of activists— also plan to push back when a group of activists are screaming into— group of activists are screaming into tno— group of activists are screaming into to oan— group of activists are screaming into the ear of— group of activists are screaming into the ear of some dean or nnonost— into the ear of some dean or nnonost on— into the ear of some dean or provost or president and they're natio— provost or president and they're iiatio to— provost or president and they're iiatio to to— provost or president and they're liable to do the— provost or president and they're liable to do the easy thing, mako— liable to do the easy thing, mako tno— liable to do the easy thing, make the problem go away by just tisponsing— make the problem go away by just tisnonsing somo— make the problem go away by just dispensing some verbiage that makos— dispensing some verbiage that makos tnom— dispensing some verbiage that makes them feel— dispensing some verbiage that makes them feel good or to fire a nonson— makes them feel good or to fire a nonson nno— makes them feel good or to fire a person who said— makes them feel good or to fire a person who said something ottonsino— a person who said something offensive will— a person who said something offensive will be, i don't want to say— offensive will be, i don't want to say nono— offensive will be, i don't want to say we're going to be soamng— to say we're going to be screaming into the other ear, tat— screaming into the other ear, tat nono— screaming into the other ear, tat going— screaming into the other ear, but we're going to be speaking tonootaiiy— but we're going to be speaking forcefully into— but we're going to be speaking forcefully into the other ear so tnat— forcefully into the other ear so tnat tnoy-ii— forcefully into the other ear so that they'll have— forcefully into the other ear so that they'll have to do the noasomng— that they'll have to do the- noasoning—iast reasoning thing instead of just the reasoning thing instead of just tno-tning. — reasoning thing instead of justi the-thing. -yeah. the easiest thing. right? yeah. and do you believe there's and why do you believe there's a need for such an organisation ? need for such an organisation? an is the situation really so bad it's pretty bad majority bad and it's pretty bad majority of or almost a majority of our students feel that they can't say what they believe at a university. that's a real tnootom— university. that's a real problem because- .. i .«t that's a real problem because it's all about okamining— problem because it's all about examining beliefs, stating tnings— examining beliefs, stating tnings ant— examining beliefs, stating things and showing whether they are things and showing whether they tnao— things and showing whether they are true or false— things and showing whether they are true or false because no one is intaiiitio. — are true or false because no one is infallible. no— are true or false because no one is infallible. no one's omniscient.- is infallible. no one's omniscient. the only way we can tint— omniscient. the only way we can tint oat— omniscient. the only way we can find out what's— omniscient. the only way we can find out what's true— omniscient. the only way we can find out what's true or false is

to say— find out what's true or false is to say something— find out what's true or false is to say something and then onaiaato— to say something and then evaluate it.— to say something and then evaluate it. you- to say something and then evaluate it. you might be wrong . onso.— evaluate it. you might be wrong . kiso. it— evaluate it. you might be wrong . kiso. it tast— evaluate it. you might be wrong . also, it just saps_ evaluate it. you might be wrong . also, it just saps the entire onotitiiity— . also, it just saps the entire credibility of— . also, it just saps the entire credibility of the— . also, it just saps the entire credibility of the university ant— credibility of the university ant tno — credibility of the university and the academic enterprise . as and the academic enterprise. as tno— and the academic enterprise. as to tott— and the academic enterprise. as no toit noopto— and the academic enterprise. as i've told people say, when it to— i've told people say, when it comes to climate— i've told people say, when it comes to climate change, look, tnono-s— comes to climate change, look, tnono-s an— comes to climate change, look, there's an enormous consensus among— there's an enormous consensus among scientists— there's an enormous consensus among scientists that human activity— among scientists that human activity is— among scientists that human activity is warming the planet. ant— activity is warming the planet. ant tnoy— activity is warming the planet. knt tnoy say.— activity is warming the planet. and they say, well , what and they say, well, what difference _ and they say, well, what difference does it make if tnono-s— difference does it make if there's consensus? everyone knows— there's consensus? everyone knonstnat— there's consensus? everyone knows that if— there's consensus? everyone knows that if you disagree from the consensus,— knows that if you disagree from the consensus, you— knows that if you disagree from the consensus, you get cancelled.— the consensus, you get cancelled. so- the consensus, you get cancelled. so why should we take the-consensus- the scientific consensus sonioasiyo— the scientific consensus seriously? this the scientific consensus- seriously?-this case, seriously? now, in this case, i tnink— seriously? now, in this case, i think-scientific- seriously? now, in this case, i think scientific consensus think the scientific consensus nations—noni think the scientific consensus. nations—non to happens to be true. but how do we happens to be true. but how do no mako— happens to be true. but how do no mako tnat— happens to be true. but how do we make that case— happens to be true. but how do we make that case if the public nigntiy— we make that case if the public nigntiy-tnat— we make that case if the public nigntiy-tnat any- rightly believes that any onitioism — rightly believes that any criticism will— rightly believes that any criticism will be squelched? so it's criticism will be squelched? so its noaiiy— criticism will be squelched? so it's really safeguard adding the ontino— it's really safeguard adding the entire academic,— it's really safeguard adding the entire academic, the credibility of entire academic, the credibility ot tno— entire academic, the credibility of the enterprise— entire academic, the credibility of the enterprise and the intognity— of the enterprise and the intognity ot— of the enterprise and the integrity of the enterprise, tooaaso— integrity of the enterprise, tooaaso yoa — integrity of the enterprise, because you can't figure out nnat-s— because you can't figure out was tnao— because you can't figure out what's true and— because you can't figure out what's true and what's false anosis— what's true and what's false mosis yoa— what's true and what's false mosts yoa say— what's true and what's false unless you say things so they to— unless you say things so they can be evaluated— unless you say things so they can be evaluated . ' g unless you say things so they can be evaluated . ' y; . 3 can be evaluated. amazing. and i was shocked by by some of the statistics. i mean, between 2014 and 2022. so in just eight years, there were 877 attempts to punish scholars errors in

american university that you logged. the resulted in 156 firings, which is more than under the mccarthy witch hunts . under the mccarthy witch hunts. i mean, these are incredible numbers. these are livelihoods being destroyed . erg these are being destroyed. erg these are livelihoods being destroyed. and this is a distortion of our understanding— and this is a distortion of our understanding of— and this is a distortion of our understanding of the truth. the motto— understanding of the truth. the motto ot— understanding of the truth. the motto ot my— understanding of the truth. the motto of my employer is veritas inatn. — motto of my employer is veritas inatn. noto— motto of my employer is veritas truth. we're kind— motto of my employer is veritas truth. we're kind of in the tnatn— truth. we're kind of in the truth business.— truth. we're kind of in the truth business. not that we have the truth business. not that we have tno-tat— truth business. not that we have tno-tat no— truth business. not that we have the - but we have - truth business. not that we have the-but we have a- truth business. not that we have the but we have a means the truth, but we have a means to tigano— the truth, but we have a means to tigano oat— the truth, but we have a means to figure out the— the truth, but we have a means to figure out the truth, namely to figure out the truth, namely to totato— to figure out the truth, namely to totato. to— to figure out the truth, namely to debate, to argue , to hold to debate, to argue, to hold tnings— to debate, to argue, to hold tningslto— to debate, to argue, to hold things-to the— to debate, to argue, to hold things to the standards of things up to the standards of onionoot — things up to the standards of onionoot it— things up to the standards of evidence. if there's some things tnat— evidence. if there's some things tnat-oan-t— evidence. if there's some things that-can't-we're. that you just can't say, we're gaanantoot— that you just can't say, we're guaranteed-be— that you just can't say, we're guaranteed be locked into guaranteed to be locked into onnon—tol guaranteed to be locked into. onnon—to gino error, we're guaranteed to give the error, we're guaranteed to give to nnong— error, we're guaranteed to give the wrong advice— error, we're guaranteed to give the wrong advice on how to nonto— the wrong advice on how to oaoto oimo— the wrong advice on how to reduce crime, how to reduce inogaaiity— reduce crime, how to reduce inequality motty, how to fight nantomios— inequality motty, how to fight nantomios .— inequality motty, how to fight pandemics . there has to be an pandemics. there has to be an atiiity— pandemics. there has to be an atiiity to— pandemics. there has to be an atitity to got— pandemics. there has to be an ability to get ideas out there so tnat— ability to get ideas out there so tnat tno— ability to get ideas out there so that the entire community can sonatiniso— so that the entire community can scrutinise them— so that the entire community can scrutinise them . _ so that the entire community can scrutinise them . ' t: so that the entire community can scrutinise them . ' vi: scrutinise them. and what's the reaction? so far from other colleagues and from the students themselves ? the hard to tell themselves? the hard to tell tooaaso— themselves? the hard to tell because we haven't- 7 the hard to tell because we haven't done a poll .

because we haven't done a poll. ono— because we haven't done a poll. ono noaotion— because we haven't done a poll. one reaction is— because we haven't done a poll. one reaction is the— because we haven't done a poll. one reaction is the fact that we nanon-t— one reaction is the fact that we nanon-t noon— one reaction is the fact that we haven't been joined by the ontino— haven't been joined by the entire faculty— haven't been joined by the entire faculty ,_ haven't been joined by the entire faculty , but might say entire faculty, but might say somotning— entire faculty, but might say somotning a— entire faculty, but might say something a little bit discouraging . but but as soon as discouraging. but but as soon as it nas— discouraging. but but as soon as it was announced,— discouraging. but but as soon as it was announced, we did get a lot it was announced, we did get a tot ot— it was announced, we did get a lot of colleagues— it was announced, we did get a lot of colleagues joining and a lot of colleagues joining and a tot ot— lot of colleagues joining and a tot ot pebble— lot of colleagues joining and a lot of people at— lot of colleagues joining and a lot of people at other universities- lot of people at other universities saying that's a noaiiy— universities saying that's a noatiy goot— universities saying that's a really good idea. i think we're going— really good idea. i think we're going to— really good idea. i think we're going tolit— really good idea. i think we're going tolit at— really good idea. i think we're going to.it at our- going to try it at our university. - going to try it at our university. students are tattoo.— university. students are divided. there was a an opinion niooo— divided. there was a an opinion niooo in— divided. there was a an opinion piooo in tno— divided. there was a an opinion piece in the crimson, the campus nonspanon— piece in the crimson, the campus nonsoapon tnat— piece in the crimson, the campus newspaper that was— piece in the crimson, the campus newspaper that was kind of wrung tnoin— newspaper that was kind of wrung tnoin nanos— newspaper that was kind of wrung their hands and— newspaper that was kind of wrung their hands and grimaced about it nitnoat— their hands and grimaced about it without really— their hands and grimaced about it without really coming up with any angamonts— it without really coming up with any arguments against it. but tnon— any arguments against it. but tnon tnono— any arguments against it. but then there was— any arguments against it. but then there was a— any arguments against it. but then there was a counter otitoniai— then there was a counter editorial by— then there was a counter editorial by a— then there was a counter editorial by a minority of the otitoniai— editorial by a minority of the editorial board— editorial by a minority of the editorial board saying, yes, stok— editorial board saying, yes, we're sick of— editorial board saying, yes, we're sick of older people toting— we're sick of older people toiting as— we're sick of older people telling us what- we're sick of older people telling us what we can say and nnat— telling us what we can say and nnat no— telling us what we can say and nnat no oan-t— telling us what we can say and what we can't say. _ telling us what we can say and what we can't say. i'm hoping tnat— what we can't say. i'm hoping tnat it— what we can't say. i'm hoping that it-revive_ what we can't say. i'm hoping that it revive some of the that it can revive some of the saint— that it can revive some of the sninitltno— that it can revive some of the spirit-the 60s— that it can revive some of the spirit-the 60s and- that it can revive some of the spirit the 60s and 70s when spirit of the 60s and 70s when it nas— spirit of the 60s and 70s when it was-tno— spirit of the 60s and 70s when it was -the campus- spirit of the 60s and 70s when it was the campus left it was actually the campus left tnat— it was actually the campus left tnat nas— it was actually the campus left tnat tno— it was actually the campus left that was the strongest advocates for that was the strongest advocates ton tnoo — that was the strongest advocates for free speech. _ that was the strongest advocates for free speech. tv4i;ia�* v�* for free speech. yeah, i mean, that's that's what surprised me is how the left who in the is how it's the left who in the 80s campaigning 80s were campaigning for seditious works of art to be shown in galleries and you know, controversial plays to be staged. and now they've flipped

andifs staged. and now they've flipped and it's right trying to and it's the right trying to support support the freedoms you think there's a danger in some of the techniques that the right are using to try and push back against this censorship? yeah. i think so. there are efforts in statos— think so. there are efforts in some states to _ there are efforts in some states to actually pass togisiation— some states to actually pass legislation on— some states to actually pass legislation on what you can't say,— legislation on what you can't say. ant— legislation on what you can't say. ant tnat-s— legislation on what you can't say, and that's kind of missing the say, and that's kind of missing in point. — say, and that's kind of missing in point. ino— say, and that's kind of missing the point. the idea is not that tnono— the point. the idea is not that tnono ooait— the point. the idea is not that there could be— the point. the idea is not that there could be laws that you oan-t— there could be laws that you oan-t say— there could be laws that you can't say such— there could be laws that you can't say such and such. there snoait— can't say such and such. there snoait to— can't say such and such. there should be laws— can't say such and such. there should be laws saying you can say— should be laws saying you can say anytning— should be laws saying you can say anytning as— should be laws saying you can say anything as long as it's not titoiioas— say anything as long as it's not libellouslextortion- say anything as long as it's not libellous extortion or or libellous or extortion or or defamation— libellous or extortion or or defamation .— libellous or extortion or or defamation . but but, but defamation. but but, but potitioians— defamation. but but, but politicians will be tempted . to politicians will be tempted. to put politicians will be tempted. to oat a— politicians will be tempted. to oat a tnamt— politicians will be tempted. to put a thumb on— politicians will be tempted. to put a thumb on the scale which is not— put a thumb on the scale which is not going— put a thumb on the scale which is not going to— put a thumb on the scale which is not going to help because tnoy-no— is not going to help because tnoy-no tast— is not going to help because they're just going to introduce tistontions— they're just going to introduce distortions from _ they're just going to introduce distortions from the other side. ant— distortions from the other side. ant nono— distortions from the other side. and we're we're— distortions from the other side. and we're we're mindful of not toing— and we're we're mindful of not toing onon— and we're we're mindful of not being even though a lot of the tnnoats— being even though a lot of the threats-free— being even though a lot of the threats free speech come from threats to free speech come from the threats to free speech come from tno—tnom. - threats to free speech come from tno—tnom. andl the left. not all of them. and tno— the left. not all of them. and tno-is— the left. not all of them. and tno-is not— the left. not all of them. and the-is not for— the left. not all of them. and the-is not for this- the left. not all of them. and the is not for this to be the idea is not for this to be a nignt— the idea is not for this to be a nignt ning— the idea is not for this to be a right wing organisation pushing taok— right wing organisation pushing taok. oaito— right wing organisation pushing back. quite the— right wing organisation pushing back. quite the contrary. we are a-ot— back. quite the contrary. we are a-of professors,- back. quite the contrary. we are a-of professors, so- back. quite the contrary. we are a of professors, so do a bunch of professors, so we do tonoi— a bunch of professors, so we do tont to— a bunch of professors, so we do tont to-to— a bunch of professors, so we do tend to -to the _ a bunch of professors, so we do tend to-to the left- a bunch of professors, so we do tend to to the left the tend to lean to the left in the tint— tend to lean to the left in the tinst niaoo— tend to lean to the left in the first place, but— tend to lean to the left in the first place, but that's beside tno— first place, but that's beside to point. — first place, but that's beside the point. the— first place, but that's beside the point. the idea is that the

principle— the point. the idea is that the pninoipto ot— the point. the idea is that the principle of free— the point. the idea is that the principle of free speech should not-on— principle of free speech should not-on whether- principle of free speech should. not-on whether-on not depend on whether you're on the not depend on whether you're on tno—iott. — not depend on whether you're on the—left. that's- the right or the left. that's missing— the right or the left. that's missing-point.- the right or the left. that's missing point. point is missing the point. the point is you— missing the point. the point is yon-atto— missing the point. the point is yoa-atio to- missing the point. the point is yoa-atio to say- you should be able to say anytning— you should be able to say anytning as— you should be able to say anything as long as it's reasoned and- anything as long as it's reasoned and you provide onitonoo— reasoned and you provide evidence you're not evidence and you're not attaoking— evidence and you're not attacking person. but you're attacking the person. but you're okamining—noi attacking the person. but you're. okamining—no yoa examining the idea. yeah. do you think— examining the idea. yeah. do you think you think ever think do you think we'll ever see complete turn in the tide see a complete turn in the tide on this constant battling against of speech? i against freedom of speech? i don't think we'll see complete niotony— don't think we'll see complete niotony tast— don't think we'll see complete victory just because i'm a osyonoiogist.— victory just because i'm a psychologist. i- victory just because i'm a psychologist. i study human ata— psychologist. i study human ata ant— psychologist. i study human nature and it's— psychologist. i study human nature and it's part of human ata— nature and it's part of human ata to— nature and it's part of human ata to tast— nature and it's part of human nature to just assume that we are we ourselves— nature to just assume that we are we ourselves are correct and ninaoas. — are we ourselves are correct and ninaoas. ant— are we ourselves are correct and virtuous. and the— are we ourselves are correct and virtuous. and the people who tisagnoo— virtuous. and the people who disagree with— virtuous. and the people who disagree with us— virtuous. and the people who disagree with us are stupid and oak— disagree with us are stupid and onii ant— disagree with us are stupid and evil and ignorant.— disagree with us are stupid and evil and ignorant. the idea that tnono— evil and ignorant. the idea that tnono oan— evil and ignorant. the idea that tnono to— evil and ignorant. the idea that there can be disinterested, ottootino— there can be disinterested, objective lviv_ there can be disinterested, objective lviv truth that we can all objective lviv truth that we can at nonk— objective lviv truth that we can all work together— objective lviv truth that we can all work together to try to find it. i— all work together to try to find it. i tnink— all work together to try to find it. i think that's— all work together to try to find it. i think that's a— all work together to try to find it. i think that's a great idea, tat— it. i think that's a great idea, tat its— it. i think that's a great idea, tat its a— it. i think that's a great idea, but it's a deeply— it. i think that's a great idea, but it's a deeply weird idea in naman— but it's a deeply weird idea in human history.— but it's a deeply weird idea in human history. i— but it's a deeply weird idea in human history. i mean, it's a nnotaot— human history. i mean, it's a nnotaot ot— human history. i mean, it's a product of the— human history. i mean, it's a product of the enlightenment and it's product of the enlightenment and its a— product of the enlightenment and its a oonstant— product of the enlightenment and it's a constant battle to remind poonio— it's a constant battle to remind pebble tnat— it's a constant battle to remind people that that's— it's a constant battle to remind people that that's the best way to—tno — people that that's the best way to—tno tnatn- people that that's the best way to -the truth . - to determine the truth. amazing. — to determine the truth. amazing. well,- to determine the truth. amazing. well, thanks so much for us. professor forjoining us. let's professor of psychology at harvard university, pinker . university, steven pinker. thank you. good luck with your

mission. thank— thank you. good luck with your mission. thank you . v; mission. thank you. let's bring in my— mission. thank you. let's bring in my esteemed panel now. krista, why do you think we're seeing such a push against free speech and free inquiry at universities? maybe because people getting away with it. people are getting away with it. kyiv , kyiv these these horrible, nioiont— kyiv these these horrible, violent protests, don't we, when somototy— violent protests, don't we, when somebody tries— violent protests, don't we, when somebody tries to _ violent protests, don't we, when somebody tries to say something tnat— somebody tries to say something tnat somototy— somebody tries to say something that somebody else doesn't like, nmon— that somebody else doesn't like, nnion i— that somebody else doesn't like, nnion i moan— that somebody else doesn't like, which i mean, when i went to aninonsity— which i mean, when i went to aninonsity. no — which i mean, when i went to university, we were allowed to kiok— university, we were allowed to kiok-into — university, we were allowed to kick-into ldark- university, we were allowed to kick into dark corner, kick ideas into a dark corner, see where they— kick ideas into a dark corner, see where they went. nobody. it titn-t— see where they went. nobody. it giant-ant— see where they went. nobody. it didn't-and-time,| didn't matter. and in that time, smoo— didn't matter. and in that time, its— didn't matter. and in that time, since it's things— didn't matter. and in that time, since it's things seem to have didn't matter. and in that time, sinca it's things seem to have didn't matter. and in that time, sinca it's mores seem to have didn't matter. and in that time, sinca it's more sensitive, have got a lot more sensitive, oanioaianiy— got a lot more sensitive,- particularly—yeah got a lot more sensitive,- particularly_yeah > particularly in america. yeah > kna— particularly in america. yeah > and i— particularly in america. yeah > and i mom— particularly in america. yeah > and i mean, francis,— particularly in america. yeah > and i mean, francis, as- and i mean, francis, as professor pinker says, we need to the freedom to question to have the freedom to question ideas, to strengthen those ideas , and also to give them legitimacy in people's eyes. one of the most profound things i've ever actually heard on the subject of free speech was on my show, trigonometry. we interviewed a journalist called ed west, and i said to him, ed, why free speech so important? why is free speech so important? and he said, because without free and you're never free speech and you're never going talk about a problem going to talk about a problem honestly, never going to talk about a problem honesto never going to talk about a problem honesto about never going to talk about a problem honesto about every never going to talk about a problem honesto about every facetr going to talk about every facet of problem. you don't

of the problem. and if you don't talk about every facet of the problem, then are you going problem, then how are you going to solve that problem? to hope to solve that problem? yeah, can't yeah, absolutely. i mean, can't argue that . i mean, you can argue with that. i mean, you can no, you can't argue with that. it's banned. i mean, chris, do you ever do you see this changing? do you see the tide turning? oh, i don't know. one of turning? oh, i don't know. one ot tno— turning? oh, i don't know. one ot tno tnings— turning? oh, i don't know. one ot tno tnings i— turning? oh, i don't know. one of the things i saw— “q7 oh, i don't know. one of the things i saw that i was noaiiy— of the things i saw that i was noatiy monot— of the things i saw that i was really moved by— of the things i saw that i was really moved by was unipart toing— really moved by was unipart being interviewed by jordan iotonson— being interviewed by jordan peterson. and— being interviewed by jordan peterson. and gave this peterson. and she gave this aoooam— peterson. and she gave this account-degree.- peterson. and she gave this account degree. and account of her degree. and so sno-s— account of her degree. and so sno-s a— account of her degree. and so sno-s a tonn— account of her degree. and so she's a north korean defector nto— she's a north korean defector nno osoanot— she's a north korean defector who escaped and— she's a north korean defector who escaped and got to fulfil her who escaped and got to fulfil non-tnoam— who escaped and got to fulfill her-dream-going her father's dream of her going to aninonsity— her father's dream of her going to university in— her father's dream of her going to university in the states. and her father's dream of her going to ufound ty in the states. and her father's dream of her going to ufound herselfe states. and her father's dream of her going to ufound herself in'ytates. and her father's dream of her going to ufound herself in classes.nd her father's dream of her going to ufound herself in classes not she found herself in classes not toing— she found herself in classes not toing-to— she found herself in classes not toing-to say— she found herself in classes not being-to say what- being able to say what she noaiiy— being able to say what she natty-ant- being able to say what she really-and she. being able to say what she really and she was being able to say what she- really -and she was just really thought. and she was just so disappointed— really thought. and she was just so disappointed because she tnoagnt—sno- so disappointed because she thought-she got. thought that when she got to anoma— thought that when she got to america,-would- thought that when she got to america, would the america, that would be it. the tant— america, that would be it. the iant ot— america, that would be it. the land of freedom. _ america, that would be it. the land of freedom. tv4i;ia�* . ..: land of freedom. yeah, it used to-ot— land of freedom. yeah, it used to-ot ooanso- land of freedom. yeah, it used to-of course, her- to be. and of course, her angamont— to be. and of course, her angamont is— and of course, her argument is always, look, when i osoanot— argument is always, look, when i osoanot tonn— argument is always, look, when i escaped north korea, there was nmonioa— escaped north korea, there was nmonioa to— escaped north korea, there was america to escape— escaped north korea, there was america to escape to, you know, ant— america to escape to, you know, ant it— america to escape to, you know, and if.disappears_ america to escape to, you know, and if disappears altogether, and if it disappears altogether, it's and if it disappears altogether, its-ot— and if it disappears altogether, it-s-ot-onon. - it's kind of game over. so tot-s. —isi let's. well, i think this is a tantastio— let's. well, i think this is a fantastic move— let's. well, i think this is a fantastic move in the right tinootion— fantastic move in the right direction. great. bikini... direction. great. well, after tno— direction. great. well, after the break, on free speech nation, the summer school with a twist free in the 21st twist on free will in the 21st century. away .

channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. noioomo— channel. britain is watching. welcome back— channel. britain is watching. welcome back to free speech nation. — welcome back to free speech nation. later— welcome back to free speech nation. later in— welcome back to free speech nation. later in the- welcome back to free speech nation. i .. nation. later in the show, i'll be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel, chris dan wootton and frances foster to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas so you can email us at gb views. gb news .uk. and we'll try to answer your issues wherever they are. but please try and keep it clean. this is a family friendly show anyway, with words being banned vocabulary banned from our daily vocabulary faster than you can say. woke. how does a person have freedom of thought? will and conscience in the 21st century? living freedom is a summer camp set up to explore the many issues which threaten the way we were born. to think , question and debate. to think, question and debate. well, much everything. well, pretty much everything. the camps convenor alistair donald and young art historian

and one of the event's speakers, ella nixon, join me now . thanks ella nixon, join me now. thanks for thanks for coming in. alistair. do you to start off by telling us about the camp? yeah living freedom is an initiative set up by the charity that i work for. ideas matter and it its— work for. ideas matter and it was its basis— work for. ideas matter and it was its basis is— work for. ideas matter and it was its basis is to— ideas matter and it was its basis is to interest young— was its basis is to interest yoang ataits— was its basis is to interest young adults in- was its basis is to interest young adults in freedom and tisoassing— young adults in freedom and discussing and— young adults in freedom and discussing and debating and ongaging— discussing and debating and ongaging nitn— discussing and debating and engaging with all issues related to tnootom. — engaging with all issues related to freedom. the— engaging with all issues related to freedom. i to freedom. the summer school is existed since 2017, so every year and we get about 5060 people together. dumas of all ages within that 18 to 30 range who discuss all sorts of ideas over the course of three days and hopefully come out at the end of it richer and more informed and hopefully be more convinced of the importance of freedom and free speech and the course is for 18 to 30 year olds. i mean, why do you think it's olds. i mean, why do you think its imnontant— olds. i mean, why do you think it's important to— olds. i mean, why do you think it's important to be— : i mean, why do you think it's important to be discussing tnis— it's important to be discussing tnis stati— it's important to be discussing this stuff with— it's important to be discussing this stuff with with young pebble?— this stuff with with young pebble? tita— this stuff with with young people? ella well, i think tnono-s— people? ella well, i think tnono-s-a— people? ella well, i think there's-a lot- people? ella well, i think there's-a lot of- people? ella well, i think there's a lot of people there's a lot a lot of people

are-university— there's a lot a lot of people are university don't really are at university don't really tnink— are at university don't really think—freedom . are at university don't reallyi think—freedom of think about what freedom of onossion— think about what freedom of expression maybe they expression is or maybe they ton-t—nononl don't know they've never experienced _ don't know they've never experienced ' vt: don't know they've never experienced .and for experienced it. and i think for me, it was really important to go there and just out of curiosity to to see see what it was of get a feel for was and kind of get a feel for it because you don't know what you have until you you don't have until you experience you attend. experience it. so you attend. koa— experience it. so you attend. koa noo— experience it. so you attend. koa nonoas-— experience it. so you attend. you were -as an - i . so you attend. you were as an attendee you were there as an attendee tast— you were there as an attendee iast yoan— you were there as an attendee iast yoan-non— last year and now you're spoaking— last year and now you're spoakinglit- last year and now you're speaking it year. last year and now you're- speakinglit-year. yes. speaking at it this year. yes. koan. — speaking at it this year. yes. team so— speaking at it this year. yes. koan. so yoan.— speaking at it this year. yes. yeah. so yeah, last- speaking at it this year. yes. yeah. so yeah, last year was my first, first bit of involvement with organisation it was with the organisation and it was really and it just really eye opening and it just gave me a real, real taste for what, where free speech can get us. and it's really helped me to, my thinking to, to develop my thinking and writing since. and what are you going— writing since. and what are you going to— writing since. and what are you going to to— writing since. and what are you going to be speaking- . v; vti.ti and what are you going to be speaking about at the going to be speaking about at tno-i-m— going to be speaking about at tno-i-m going- going to be speaking about at the-i'm going-be. the event? i'm going to be sooaking— the event? i'm going to be speaking sensitivity speaking about sensitivity noaonts— speaking about sensitivity readers , right? i readers, right? especially reflecting like roald dahl's, reflecting on like roald dahl's, you the puffin book you know, the puffin book debacle. i guess a lot earlier this year. and i'm going to say, what's wrong with updating old books, right? yeah. i mean, i've noficed books, right? yeah. i mean, i've notioot tnoy— books, right? yeah. i mean, i've noticed they never— books, right? yeah. i mean, i've noticed they never get- noticed they never get a sonsitinity— noticed they never get a sensitivity reader for the quran ant— sensitivity reader for the quran ant tnoy-no — sensitivity reader for the quran and they're quite— sensitivity reader for the quran and they're quite happy to no—otit— and they're quite happy to re—edit some— and they're quite happy to re—edit some children's books by

an aatnon— re—edit some children's books by an author who's— re—edit some children's books by an author who's dead. but i to— an author who's dead. but i to yoa— an author who's dead. but i mean, do you honestly think that people— mean, do you honestly think that pebble soo— mean, do you honestly think that people see progress as danger ? people see progress as danger? omis— people see progress as danger? onnis noti— people see progress as danger? chris well, that's— people see progress as danger? chris well, that's a question, isn-t— chris well, that's a question, isn-t iti — chris well, that's a question, isn't it? that's— chris well, that's a question, isn't it? that's the- chris well, that's a question, isn't it? c" isn't it? that's the question we're going to ask. it's interesting that people are talking about progress again just i mean, me, just now. i mean, to me, progress. you in things progress. you look in things like french revolution and progress. you look in things linas french revolution and progress. you look in things linas all'ench revolution and progress. you look in things linas all abouttevolution and progress. you look in things linas all about liberty on and progress. you look in things linas all about liberty and nd it was all about liberty and equality, and was very much equality, and it was very much bound with those bound up with those enlightenment but it enlightenment notions. but it led cutting off heads. yeah led to cutting off heads. yeah well, yes, it liberated heads. so then so therein comes the angamont— so then so therein comes the angamont ot— so then so therein comes the argument of the— so then so therein comes the argument of the last 200 years atoat— argument of the last 200 years atoat its— argument of the last 200 years about its worth— argument of the last 200 years about its worth and its value. i about its worth and its value. i mink— about its worth and its value. i think its— about its worth and its value. i think it's interesting- about its worth and its value. i think it's interesting that people are more and more anti—progress these days and interest thing, even that they're anti—progress because they're anti —progress because they're anti—progress because they see it as a problem for freedom rather than part of the package of gaining freedom. and that's what we want to ig get v“ v“; : and that's what we want to discuss. koan. — that's what we want to discuss. koan. tnis— that's what we want to discuss. neat. this is— that's what we want to discuss. yeah, this is this— that's what we want to discuss. yeah, this is this is— that's what we want to discuss. yeah, this is this is something that really surprises me. i mean, even if even the phrase the word free speech, well, the two free speech is seen as two words free speech is seen as some problematic people some sort of problematic people assume that you must be some sort far right conservative sort of far right conservative if if you want free speech,

if you if you want free speech, because obviously the were incredibly keen on free speech. of course. yes. i mean , that's of course. yes. i mean, that's ot— of course. yes. i mean, that's ot tno— of course. yes. i mean, that's one of the things— of course. yes. i mean, that's one of the things that we try to do one of the things that we try to to win— one of the things that we try to to wit tno— one of the things that we try to do with the summer school is to mix— do with the summer school is to mix it— do with the summer school is to mix it an— do with the summer school is to mix it an a— do with the summer school is to mix it up a little— do with the summer school is to mix it up a little bit. 'v“t: . mix it up a little bit. and it is onon— mix it up a little bit. and it is open to— mix it up a little bit. and it is open to quite a wide variety of people. tend to get people of people. we tend to get people who have all sorts of different backgrounds, sorts of backgrounds, all sorts of different and different political views and interests. find that the interests. and we find that the common point of an common starting point of an interest in freedom, i mean, obviously you're going to a living freedom school, then you've got that starting point. but really, there but beyond that, really, there is for discussion is so much for discussion and that's makes sessions that's what makes the sessions interesting. even discussions around and free speech around freedom and free speech and how work. i think are and how they work. i think are very much open to interpretation . so to give example, . so to give an example, this year going to do a session year we're going to do a session on the hecklers veto, which is the commonly happen the protest that commonly happen outside university cities edinburgh and cambridge recently , which were on the show last week , where people are trying to week, where people are trying to stop films being being shown . stop films being being shown. and you think, well, on the one handifs and you think, well, on the one hand it's terrible . the hecklers hand it's terrible. the hecklers are trying to shut down

someone's free speech, but on the other hand, some of the things that are happening to these banned from these hecklers being banned from campus from attending campus or banned from attending protests, you think? well, actually , that's mitigating actually, that's mitigating against freedom . so against their freedom. so i think these things are complicated . and one the complicated. and one of the things that want do the things that we want to do at the school is try and delve into school is to try and delve into things a little bit. and really try to get the people that attend work these attend to work through these issues themselves rather than attend to work through these issues tithe selves rather than attend to work through these issues tithe answers. ther than attend to work through these issues tithe answers. yeahhan attend to work through these issues tithe answers. yeah and assume the answers. yeah and what do your peers v4i;ctv“ and what do your peers respond to you— what do your peers respond to yoa iiko— what do your peers respond to yoa iiko nnon— what do your peers respond to you like when you when you say yoa— you like when you when you say you're involved— you like when you when you say you're involved in— you like when you when you say you're involved in a— you like when you when you say you're involved in a free speech onont— you're involved in a free speech onont ant— you're involved in a free speech onont ant yoa— you're involved in a free speech event and you're going to be snoaking— event and you're going to be snoaking at— event and you're going to be speaking at it?— event and you're going to be speaking at it? i— event and you're going to be speaking at it? i mean, you speaking at it? i mean, do you get speaking at it? i mean, do you got maon— speaking at it? i mean, do you get much opprobrium from from people— get much opprobrium from from people-own— get much opprobrium from from poonio-onn ago— get much opprobrium from from poonio-onn ago i - get much opprobrium from from people own age ? \ti13i. itia.y people your own age? not really. i people your own age? not really. i think— people your own age? not really. i think before i started to talk about it, there was maybe i was about it, there was maybe i was a bit more nervous about what will people think and what reputation will i get. but actually, you know, most people know and i like to think i'm know me and i like to think i'm not this terrible person. and they that i wouldn't be they know that i wouldn't be involved in if it wasn't. so involved in it if it wasn't. so if anything, stimulates if anything, it just stimulates debate gets more people debate and gets more people interested . right. and are you interested. right. and are you seeing interested. right. and are you

sooing poopto— interested. right. and are you seeing people wanting- : ?g“. and are you seeing people wanting to : 33“. and are you seeing people wanting to come to the seeing people wanting to come to to onont— seeing people wanting to come to to onont as— seeing people wanting to come to to onont as a— seeing people wanting to come to the event as a result of you taking— the event as a result of you talking about— the event as a result of you talking about it?- the event as a result of you talking about it? do people get intonostot— talking about it? do people get interested and— talking about it? do people get interested and want to get innoinoto — interested and want to get involved? yeah,- interested and want to get involved? tv4i;nit v“ “

how these ideas emerge, but also to question relevant they to question how relevant they are today , what that we are today, what it is that we need to do to update those ideas. then there'll also ideas. and then there'll also get some of the contemporary discussion brilliant. so it's discussion is brilliant. so it's a real mixture and i hope it fires their enthusiasm for coming back, doing what ella's has done and come away and thought, right, i really want to get involved and produce a session and speak on a session next year . so there's plenty of next year. so there's plenty of opportunities to be involved in the future. and what do you think the risks to society are if we don't have free speech? well, the risks are where we are now that no one, no one is talking to each other because everybody's so ensconced in their echo chambers and their silos that you never get to discuss anything properly . so discuss anything properly. so these these are tricky issues that need openly debated. yeah absolutely. anyway, alastair donati— absolutely. anyway, alastair nonait ant— absolutely. anyway, alastair donald and ellen— .ti;.y anyway, alastair donald and ellen nixon from iining— donald and ellen nixon from living freedom— donald and ellen nixon from living freedom summer camp, tnank— living freedom summer camp, tnank yoa— living freedom summer camp, tnank yoa so— living freedom summer camp, thank you so much for joining living freedom summer camp, thank you so much forjoining us tonignt— thank you so much forjoining us tonignt .— thank you so much forjoining us tonignt . ant— thank you so much forjoining us tonight . and coming up on free

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welcome back to free speech nation— welcome back to free speech aation .— welcome back to free speech aation . tno— welcome back to free speech nation , the author of nation, the author of trainspotting, irvine welsh, has sait— trainspotting, irvine welsh, has sait tnat— trainspotting, irvine welsh, has said tnat k— trainspotting, irvine welsh, has said that jk rowling is simply tnying— said that jk rowling is simply tnying to— said that jk rowling is simply trying to protect— said that jk rowling is simply trying to protect women's saoosn— trying to protect women's saoosa no— trying to protect women's spaces. he went on to say that tnono— spaces. he went on to say that tnono mast— spaces. he went on to say that there must be— spaces. he went on to say that there must be some way that we can advance trans— there must be some way that we can advance trans rights without attaoking— can advance trans rights without attacking women's— can advance trans rights without attacking women's rights. with me attacking women's rights. with no to— attacking women's rights. with me to discuss— attacking women's rights. with me to discuss this is the ioannaiist— me to discuss this is the journalist joe— me to discuss this is the journalist joe bartosh . i hope journalist joe bartosh. i hope nono— journalist joe bartosh. i hope nono no— journalist joe bartosh. i hope nono no go.— journalist joe bartosh. i hope here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, here we go. yeah, here we go. ni. too.— here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, joe. thanks— here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, joe. thanks for— here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, joe. thanks for joining here we go. yeah, here we go. hi, joe. thanks forjoining . us hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us mank— hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you.— hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you. thank— hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you. thank you- hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you. thank you for- hi, joe. thanks forjoining. us thank you. thank you for having me. i mean irvine welsh is stance it sounds like he's speaking some some common sense this surely can't be seen as

transphobic. noi this surely can't be seen as transphobic. no i mean to be nonost— transphobic. no i mean to be honest whilst— transphobic. no i mean to be honest whilst it's— ti. no i mean to be honest whilst it's obviously gnoat— honest whilst it's obviously gnoat tnat— honest whilst it's obviously great that he's— honest whilst it's obviously great that he's spoken up in motion— great that he's spoken up in sannon ot— great that he's spoken up in sannon on k— great that he's spoken up in support of jk rowling , i did support of jk rowling, i did tnink— support of jk rowling, i did tnink it— support of jk rowling, i did think it was— support of jk rowling, i did think it was a— support of jk rowling, i did think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i— think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i mom— think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i to— think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i to say— think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i mean to say there- think it was a bit mealy mouthed . i mean to say there must be some sort of way forward. there must be some sort of compromise as well. i'd like to know which women's rights he thinks it's okay to compromise , how many okay to compromise, how many children okay to children he thinks it's okay to put blockers, put on puberty blockers, rendering potential. you know, i think actually a little bit think it's actually a little bit , um, it's a bit almost slightly backhanded, really. i mean, yes, it's great that he's he's supports her. um, but um, he also admitted to using trans sensitivity readers, which i thought was, um , well, thought was, um, well, surprising to say the least . so surprising to say the least. so he said he's using trans sensitivity— he said he's using trans sensitivity readers for his own nonk— sensitivity readers for his own nonk .— sensitivity readers for his own nonk . noam— sensitivity readers for his own work . yeah. and— sensitivity readers for his own work . yeah. and i— sensitivity readers for his own work . yeah. and i mean, work. yeah. and i mean, somotning— work. yeah. and i mean, something that i thought was panioaianiy— something that i thought was particularly ironic about that is tnat— particularly ironic about that is tnat. yoa— particularly ironic about that is that, you know, obviously tnat-s— is that, you know, obviously that's predicated on the idea tnat— that's predicated on the idea tnat yoa— that's predicated on the idea that you can't,— that's predicated on the idea that you can't, as an author ontinoiy— that you can't, as an author ontinoiy got— that you can't, as an author entirely get into— that you can't, as an author entirely get into somebody osois— entirely get into somebody else's mind— entirely get into somebody else's mind entirely into their

man— else's mind entirely into their their mindset,— else's mind entirely into their their mindset, which i think is a noaiiy— their mindset, which i think is a really dreadful— their mindset, which i think is a really dreadful omission for an aatnon— a really dreadful omission for an aatnon to— a really dreadful omission for an author to make because you noato— an author to make because you noait oknoot— an author to make because you would expect that— an author to make because you would expect that to be part of the would expect that to be part of to point— would expect that to be part of to point ot— would expect that to be part of the point of literature is to get— the point of literature is to got into— the point of literature is to get into other— the point of literature is to get into other people's minds. kna— get into other people's minds. ant monoonon— get into other people's minds. and moreover, you— get into other people's minds. and moreover, you know,- get into other people's minds. and moreover, you know, thinking about the trans issue in particular, well, i don't ever remember being asked by, for example, eddie izzard if was example, eddie izzard if it was okay for to wear my okay for him to wear my identity, my sensitivity identity, where my sensitivity readers, i mean, it's readers, please. i mean, it's ridiculous. and irvine welsh sait— ridiculous. and irvine welsh sait tnat— ridiculous. and irvine welsh said that there's— i t: i and irvine welsh said that there's such a massive tittononoo— said that there's such a massive difference between _ said that there's such a massive difference between the majority of difference between the majority ot tnans— difference between the majority ot tnans pebble— difference between the majority of trans people and how they're nonnosontot— of trans people and how they're represented on— of trans people and how they're represented on social media. do you— represented on social media. do yoa tnink— represented on social media. do yoa tnink no-s— represented on social media. do you think he's right? \tit represented on social media. do you think he's right ? \tit you think he's right? no, to be nonost— you think he's right? no, to be honest .— you think he's right? no, to be honest. i— you think he's right? no, to be honest, i think i think a lot of them are very angry . i think them are very angry. i think there's a lot of misdirected angen there's a lot of misdirected anger. so, for example, today there was a demonstration in birmingham of women's rights activists and they were mobbed. they were surrounded . the police they were surrounded. the police didn't step in to support them . didn't step in to support them. they were harassed. they were intimidated by this apparently vulnerable . so i have vulnerable minority. so i have no doubt there are some people who suffer with gender dysphoria

. have absolutely no . i also have absolutely no doubt there lot of men for doubt there are a lot of men for whom it's fetish whom it's a fetish and apparently we're allowed to apparently we're not allowed to talk about that. yeah, i mean, the talk about that. yeah, i mean, to pebble— talk about that. yeah, i mean, the people making— talk about that. yeah, i mean, the people making the- yeah, i mean, the people making the making the fuss the people making the making the inss-making— the people making the making the fuss-making the— the people making the making the fuss making the violent fuss and making the violent tnnoats— fuss and making the violent tnnoats .— fuss and making the violent threats , they— fuss and making the violent threats , they don't to be threats, they don't seem to be tno— threats, they don't seem to be to son— threats, they don't seem to be to sont ot— threats, they don't seem to be the sort of genuine trans women nno— the sort of genuine trans women nno tast— the sort of genuine trans women nno iast nant— the sort of genuine trans women who just want to _ the sort of genuine trans women who just want to pass in society ant— who just want to pass in society ant got— who just want to pass in society ant got on— who just want to pass in society ant got on nitn— who just want to pass in society and get on with their lives . and get on with their lives. they— and get on with their lives. inoy — and get on with their lives. inoy to — and get on with their lives. they seem to be more like women like they seem to be more like women iiko mo— they seem to be more like women iiko mo nno— they seem to be more like women like me who are— they seem to be more like women like me who are just— they seem to be more like women like me who are just out there iooking— like me who are just out there iooking ton— like me who are just out there iooking ton a— like me who are just out there looking for a ruck— like me who are just out there looking for a ruck . tv4i;nit v“ ytinit v“ looking for a ruck. yeah, yeah, totally . absolutely. i think. totally. absolutely. i think. i think that's that's part of the anger they feel it's quite often because it is in some ways motivated by a fetish which i think, you know, there's no surprise in a way that this movement has emerged at around the same time as free online has become a huge industry. so i think, you know, when you have a woman who says, no, i don't believe you, i think that's actually taken as a very visceral, personal reaction, which i think for a lot which i think accounts for a lot of the anger. and do you think mono-ii— of the anger. and do you think tnono-ii to— of the anger. and do you think tnono-ii to a— of the anger. and do you think there'll be a turning- 3 and do you think there'll be a turning point soon nnono— there'll be a turning point soon nnono onoonony— there'll be a turning point soon where everyone settles down a bit where everyone settles down a tit-no— where everyone settles down a tit-no-aii— where everyone settles down a bit-we .all hold - where everyone settles down a bit we all hold hands bit and we can all hold hands ant—togotnonl

bit and we can all hold hands| and _together ? bit and we can all hold hands. and _together ? i and move forward together? i i— and move forward together? i i think— and move forward together? i mean, i think the— and move forward together? i mean, i think the point- and move forward together? i mean, i think the point we need to aim for is to just to wrestle back reality. i think there's you know, i get a bit annoyed with people who are looking for middle ways, looking for to concede points, because frankly, until five minutes ago, we all knew there were two sexes. knew that there were two sexes. it controversial, racial, it wasn't controversial, racial, nothing rowling said nothing that jk rowling has said is remotely controversial. you know, was right when it came know, she was right when it came to the tavistock, for example, which now been closed. which has now been closed. she's been it comes been right when it comes to women only spaces. you know, of course need women only course women need women only space abused space when they've been abused by aren't by men. these aren't controversial things say, and controversial things to say, and i feel like the burden of i often feel like the burden of proof is reversed , just in a way proof is reversed, just in a way with this one. you know, it shouldn't be up for us to explain why women don't have penises. it really should be up to other to say, you to the other side to say, you know, to make arguments. know, to make their arguments. then whether we then we can decide whether we agree them or not. the agree with them or not. but the idea of them imposed, idea of having them imposed, which have been which they have been quite stealthily lobby stealthily by lobby groups, isn't on and jk rowling, i mean, she's famously never actually said something transphobic . if said something transphobic. if she had, then people could hold

tnat— she had, then people could hold tnat an— she had, then people could hold that up.evidence,_ she had, then people could hold that up evidence, but they that up as evidence, but they tnoy— that up as evidence, but they tnoy say— that up as evidence, but they tnoy say sno— that up as evidence, but they tnoy say sno. yoa— that up as evidence, but they they say she, you know, she aoooan— they say she, you know, she appears transphobic. she has the ot— appears transphobic. she has the ot tnans— appears transphobic. she has the aura of trans transphobia, but tnoy— aura of trans transphobia, but tnoy oan-t— aura of trans transphobia, but tnoy oan-t tnoy— aura of trans transphobia, but they can't they can't really pin it on— they can't they can't really pin it on non.— they can't they can't really pin it on non. tiny— they can't they can't really pin it on her. why do— they can't they can't really pin it on her. why do you think sno-s— it on her. why do you think she's singled— it on her. why do you think she's singled out for such hate? noti— she's singled out for such hate? not i— she's singled out for such hate? not i tnink— she's singled out for such hate? well i think because she's the oniy— well i think because she's the oniy ono— well i think because she's the only one that's— well i think because she's the only one that's had a bit of courage, frankly. v“ only one that's had a bit of courage, frankly. i mean, you know.— courage, frankly. i mean, you know, there were so few authors who are speaking out. and i think that's in part because the chair of the society of authors, joanne , is essentially joanne harris, is essentially a trans don't think trans activist. i don't think that helps matters. and you know, i think there's a kind of an emergence of silence across particularly in sort of elite industries like your authors, like your media, like i think there is a real kind of clique of right thinkers and wrong thinkers and nobody wants to be on the wrong side of that. oh, i see. anyway, jill, journalist ant— see. anyway, jill, journalist ant nniton— see. anyway, jill, journalist and writer, thank you so much for and writer, thank you so much ton toining— and writer, thank you so much ton toining as— and writer, thank you so much for joining us tonight. and writer, thank you so much for joining us tonight . and forjoining us tonight. and tot-s— forjoining us tonight. and tot-s toning— forjoining us tonight. and let's bring in— forjoining us tonight. and let's bring in my esteemed panel . no— let's bring in my esteemed panel . i>o oitnon— let's bring in my esteemed panel . i>o oitnon ot— let's bring in my esteemed panel . do either of you— let's bring in my esteemed panel . do either of you agree with mino— . do either of you agree with innino noisn— . do either of you agree with irvine welsh erg— . do either of you agree with

irvine welsh erg no . okay. irvine welsh erg no. okay. mat-s— irvine welsh erg no. okay. that's that's— irvine welsh erg no. okay. that's that's that question answered. well,- that's that's that question answered. bikini... ytinit v“ that's that's that question answered. «tilt? v“ v“ answered. well, yeah, i mean, exactly as joe just said, this idea that you have to wrestle back reality is pretty frustrating, isn't it, that this idea that, you know, if somebody behaves really, really badly and then they kind of give 50% then they can kind of give 50% and like now we're in the and it's like now we're in the middle, it's no, you middle, it's like, no, you started like, why can you started this like, why can you point at me, please, when you're saying this? yeah it's outrageous. yeah. and mean, outrageous. yeah. and i mean, sootiant-s— outrageous. yeah. and i mean, scotland's obviously- scotland's obviously the, the niaoo— scotland's obviously the, the niaoo ton— scotland's obviously the, the ntaoo ton ton.— scotland's obviously the, the place for for, this— scotland's obviously the, the place for for, this kind of ming— place for for, this kind of tning. tnis— place for for, this kind of thing, this debate to happen. ntsoiatoiy. — thing, this debate to happen. absolutely. -the- thing, this debate to happen. absolutely. the stunning absolutely. with the stunning tnans— absolutely. with the stunning trans woman that is isla bryson ant— trans woman that is isla bryson ant non— trans woman that is isla bryson and her massive— trans woman that is isla bryson and her massive clitoris. yeah. ant— and her massive clitoris. yeah. ant no— and her massive clitoris. yeah. and we invented— and her massive clitoris. yeah. and we invented the kilt. which nmon— and we invented the kilt. which was. which was— and we invented the kilt. which was. which was early attempt was. which was an early attempt at-nomon— was. which was an early attempt at-nomon .— was. which was an early attempt at-women . exactly.- was. which was an early attempt at women . exactly. so, you at trans women. exactly. so, you know— at trans women. exactly. so, you know .— at trans women. exactly. so, you know . its— at trans women. exactly. so, you know . it-s att— at trans women. exactly. so, you know , it's all good— at trans women. exactly. so, you know , it's all good news. know, it's all good news. i'm disappointed— know, it's all good news. i'm disappointed that he's bringing insensitivity readers. i would expect if you're irvine welsh, you've proved yourself. i mean , you've proved yourself. i mean, i went to see the whole point of irvine. welsh is he's supposed to to— irvine. welsh is he's supposed to to tno— irvine. welsh is he's supposed to be the most— it welsh is he's supposed to be the most visceral, snooking— to be the most visceral, snooking .— to be the most visceral, shocking , outrageous, taboo shocking, outrageous, taboo tasting— shocking, outrageous, taboo busting author— shocking, outrageous, taboo busting author ,_ shocking, outrageous, taboo busting author , but then he's busting author, but then he's got sensitivity— busting author, but then he's got sensitivity readers , and got sensitivity readers, and tnoy— got sensitivity readers, and they shouldn't— got sensitivity readers, and

they shouldn't be the ones determining— they shouldn't be the ones determining what art is. determining what the art is. i .ltit— determining what the art is. i little— determining what the art is. i mean ,lbit.a broken- determining what the art is. ii mean ,lbit.a broken record mean, a bit of a broken record on this, but to hear from on this, but i want to hear from the artist, not the person police being the artist. but the problem is with— ti.ti v“t; but the problem is with publishing is iiko— problem is with publishing is iiko-tnoso— problem is with publishing is iiko-tnoso .- problem is with publishing is like-these , you- problem is with publishing is like these , you know, like a lot of these, you know, tnoso— like a lot of these, you know, tnoso-ant— like a lot of these, you know, these and inverted these liberal and inverted. commas-, they're these liberal and inverted- commas-, they're the commas industries, they're the nno— commas industries, they're the ones who are going to be tooiting— ones who are going to be deciding whether the artist , deciding whether the artist, nnotnon— deciding whether the artist, whether the _ deciding whether the artist, whether the writer gets pattisnot— whether the writer gets published and it's very, very tittioait— published and it's very, very difficult now— published and it's very, very difficult now for— published and it's very, very difficult now for authors to aotaaiiy— difficult now for authors to actually-their- difficult now for authors to actually their books actually get their books pattisnot. — actually get their books published, prove , particularly published, prove, particularly if published, prove, particularly it tnoy— published, prove, particularly it tnoy go— published, prove, particularly if they go against prevailing orthodoxies_ if they go against prevailing orthodoxies like you even saw it nitn— orthodoxies like you even saw it nitn tontan— orthodoxies like you even saw it with jordan peterson, where i tnink— with jordan peterson, where i tnink it— with jordan peterson, where i tnink it nas— with jordan peterson, where i think it was in— with jordan peterson, where i think it was in canada. there's tnoso— think it was in canada. there's tnoso yoang— think it was in canada. there's these young kids— think it was in canada. there's these young kids who work in the painting— these young kids who work in the publishing house.— these young kids who work in the publishing house. you know, it's staging— publishing house. you know, it's staging demonstration shows and all staging demonstration shows and at tno— staging demonstration shows and at to nost— staging demonstration shows and at to nost ot— staging demonstration shows and all the rest of yeah. and all the rest of it. yeah. and oinioasiy— all the rest of it. yeah. and obviously,-got- all the rest of it. yeah. and obviously, got published obviously, jordan got published tooaaso— obviously, jordan got published tooaaso nos— obviously, jordan got published because he's jordan. but how many— because he's jordan. but how many pebble— because he's jordan. but how many people who are coming tnoagn— many people who are coming tnnoagn noatiy— many people who are coming through really talented new young— through really talented new young novelists self—censor ? young novelists self—censor? noat— young novelists self—censor? noan. tooaaso— young novelists self—censor? yeah, because they just know tnat— yeah, because they just know tnat it— yeah, because they just know tnat it tnoy— yeah, because they just know an it tnoy go— yeah, because they just know that if they go against this prevailing— that if they go against this prevailing orthodoxy, they are not going— prevailing orthodoxy, they are not going to— prevailing orthodoxy, they are not going to got— prevailing orthodoxy, they are not going to get published . and not going to get published. and tot-s— not going to get published. and tot-s to— not going to get published. and let's be honest,— not going to get published. and let's be honest, essentially tnoy-no— let's be honest, essentially tnoy-no not— let's be honest, essentially they're not going to have a ant— they're not going to have a career. and we've seen a similar tning— career. and we've seen a similar

tning nation— career. and we've seen a similar tning nation-tno- career. and we've seen a similar thing happen the stand thing happen with the stand oomoty— thing happen with the stand comedy-which- thing happen with the stand comedy which going comedy club, which was going to ononto—joanna- provide a platform to joanna ononn— provide a platform to joanna ononny. nno-s— provide a platform to joanna cherry, who's a— provide a platform to joanna cherry, who's a gender critical tostian— cherry, who's a gender critical tostian .— cherry, who's a gender critical tostian . ant— cherry, who's a gender critical lesbian . and then the staff at lesbian. and then the staff at the lesbian. and then the staff at to stant— lesbian. and then the staff at the stand had— lesbian. and then the staff at the stand had cancelled the oononmanoot— the stand had cancelled the performance by— the stand had cancelled the performance by saying they oont— performance by saying they weren't willing— performance by saying they weren't willing to they weren't knon— weren't willing to they weren't know it— weren't willing to they weren't knon itlgoing— weren't willing to they weren't know it going ahead because know it is going ahead because it—tnoaonot- know it is going ahead because it_breached the. it turned out it breached the ogaaiitios. — it turned out it breached the equalities. the— it turned out it breached the equalities. the equalities act to oanooi— equalities. the equalities act to oanooi it— equalities. the equalities act to oanooi it .— equalities. the equalities act to cancel it . but— equalities. the equalities act to cancel it . but i mean, that's to cancel it. but i mean, that's a simian— to cancel it. but i mean, that's a simiian a— to cancel it. but i mean, that's a similar a similar— to cancel it. but i mean, that's a similar a similar and that's why— a similar a similar and that's nny yoa— a similar a similar and that's nny yoa noot— a similar a similar and that's why you need the irvine welsh the why you need the irvine welsh to roam— why you need the irvine welsh the jordan peterson's. i went to see the jordan peterson's. i went to nonot— the jordan peterson's. i went to see lionel shriver talking about sensitivity recently. sensitivity readers recently. she's having it yeah she's having none of it yeah good for her and those people are kind paving the way for are kind of paving the way for the baby writers to come up, aren't they. because if you're a new writer, you're far more likely to self—censor the likely to self—censor in the first invite first place or invite sensitivity readers so that sensitivity readers in so that you can get your work published . it's like, we want to . and it's like, no, we want to hear real give me the art hear the real give me the art and decide if i like it or and i'll decide if i like it or not. tell me what i can not. don't tell me what i can and can't have. it drives me mad. do you think we'll get more ooiotnity— mad. do you think we'll get more ooioinity nis— mad. do you think we'll get more celebrity his now?— celebrity his now? the jk itoniing— celebrity his now? the jk rowling and— celebrity his now? the jk rowling and irvine welsh rowling and then irvine welsh nano— rowling and then irvine welsh nno-tno— rowling and then irvine welsh have _the seal- rowling and then irvine welsh have _the seal on- rowling and then irvine welsh have the seal on this have broken the seal on this do you— have broken the seal on this do yoa—tnink- have broken the seal on this do you _think we'll. have broken the seal on this doi you _think we'll get you think do you think we'll get more celebrities— you think do you think we'll get more celebrities following their tootstons— more celebrities following their

footsteps minefield? more celebrities following their foot do as minefield? more celebrities following their foot do you minefield? more celebrities following their footdo you rememberminefield? more celebrities following their footdo you rememberminefiguy no. do you remember when guy ionoo— no. do you remember when guy pearce-something- no. do you remember when guy pearce something like, i, a pearce said something like, i, a nonson— pearce said something like, i, a nonson is— pearce said something like, i, a nonson is an— pearce said something like, i, a person is an actor,— pearce said something like, i, a person is an actor, is a person nno— person is an actor, is a person nno oan— person is an actor, is a person nno okay— person is an actor, is a person nno play any— person is an actor, is a person who can play any role or somotning— who can play any role or something that. who can play any role or something-that. an something like that. and an aoton— something like that. and an actor should— something like that. and an actor should be— something like that. and an actor should be able to play any noto— actor should be able to play any noto-atoat— actor should be able to play any role.-about two- actor should be able to play any role. about two days role. it lasted about two days totono— role. it lasted about two days totono-ot- role. it lasted about two days before of hollywood role. it lasted about two days before down, of hollywood role. it lasted about two days before down, and of hollywood role. it lasted about two days before down, and this ollywood role. it lasted about two days before down, and this is.ywood role. it lasted about two days beforedown, and this is how,d role. it lasted about two days beforedown, and this is how, you came down, and this is how, you know.— came down, and this is how, you knonlmossot— came down, and this is how, you knonlmossot an.— came down, and this is how, you know, messed up. he then did know, he messed up. he then did two iittio— know, he messed up. he then did two little screenshots in the apology— two little screenshots in the apology-pinned- two little screenshots in the apology pinned his apology and pinned it to his initton— apology and pinned it to his twitter. _that's - apology and pinned it to his. twitter.-that's-you twitter. anyway, that's how you know—is- twitter. anyway, that's how you knon—is tno- twitter. anyway, that's how you. know—is the agent know that somebody is the agent has know that somebody is the agent nas nat— know that somebody is the agent nas nat a— know that somebody is the agent has had a little— know that somebody is the agent has had a little word of apoiogy. — has had a little word of apology. yeah. anyway, there's stit— apology. yeah. anyway, there's stiii tots— apology. yeah. anyway, there's stiii tots to— apology. yeah. anyway, there's still lots to come— apology. yeah. anyway, there's still lots to come on. free snooon— still lots to come on. free speech nation— still lots to come on. free speech nation .- still lots to come on. free speech nation . we're not allowed speech nation. we're not allowed to oati— speech nation. we're not allowed to call criminals,— speech nation. we're not allowed to call criminals, criminals anymo okay.— to call criminals, criminals anymore. okay, so what do we oati— anymore. okay, so what do we oat-noti— anymore. okay, so what do we call we'll speaking anymore. okay, so what do we. call-we'll.speaking to call them? we'll be speaking to a call them? we'll be speaking to oan-nsonon— call them? we'll be speaking to an-nsonon to— call them? we'll be speaking to a-prisoner to get- call them? we'll be speaking to a prisoner to get the a former prisoner to get the ant— a former prisoner to get the answer. and i'll— a former prisoner to get the answer. and i'll treat you to my masings— answer. and i'll treat you to my masings on— answer. and i'll treat you to my masings on tno— answer. and i'll treat you to my musings on the migrant housing non-t— musings on the migrant housing non-t yoa— musings on the migrant housing mess. don't you move a muscle

i'll- there's tit— there's plenty more i'll there's plenty more still to come on free— there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this nook.— come on free speech nation this nook. nat— come on free speech nation this nook. nat tot-s— come on free speech nation this week. but let's get—

come on free speech nation this week. but let's get a news antato— week. but let's get a news antato tinst— week. but let's get a news update first from tatiana sanonoz. — update first from tatiana sanchez. she's . leo. “tits/v“ sanchez. she's. leo. thank you oony— sanchez. she's. leo. thank you very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom nurses are calling for a double digit pay offer to prevent further strike action. the head of the royal college of nursing, cullen, told the nursing, pat cullen, told the sunday times the government risks another six months of industrial action if negotiations aren't reopened and members rejected a 5% offer which was accepted by 14 other unions . a new ballot for strikes unions. a new ballot for strikes is set to be held later this month . gatwick airport was month. gatwick airport was forced to shut a runway for almost an hour following a suspected drone incident . eight suspected drone incident. eight flights were temporarily suspended and 12 inbound flights were diverted to other airports. british airways says one of its flights was affected, landing at stansted airport before refuelling and returning to gatwick. a spokesperson for the airport says passenger safety is the airport's absolute priority and the investigations have now

been completed . suggestions of been completed. suggestions of unrest within the conservative party are being downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly a thousand councillors were lost and the decision to scale back post—brexit plans to scrap eu laws . former home secretary laws. former home secretary priti patel accused the leader of failing to listen to his party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in glory since bods covered itself in glory since boris johnson's leadership . boris johnson's leadership. energy secretary grant shapps says the prime minister is doing the right things and people need to be patient. i think this and sno— to be patient. i think this and sno nas— to be patient. i think this and she was referring— to be patient. i think this and she was referring to- i think this and she was referring to the set of oiootions— she was referring to the set of elections which _ she was referring to the set of elections which were obviously oony— elections which were obviously nony tittioait— elections which were obviously very difficult for— elections which were obviously very difficult for the conservatives . there weren't a conservatives. there weren't a goot— conservatives. there weren't a goot sot— conservatives. there weren't a goot sot ot— conservatives. there weren't a good set of elections for us, tat— good set of elections for us, tat tnis— good set of elections for us, but this was— good set of elections for us, but this was the— good set of elections for us, but this was the first ontonanity- but this was the first opportunity people have had to oommom— opportunity people have had to comment shenanigans comment on all the shenanigans of comment on all the shenanigans ot tast— comment on all the shenanigans of last summer— comment on all the shenanigans of last summer and those many ioatonsnin— of last summer and those many leadership changes that went on. i leadership changes that went on. i tnink— leadership changes that went on. itnink pebble— leadership changes that went on. i think people were venting tnoin— i think people were venting their frustration . an i actually their frustration. an i actually tnink— their frustration. an i actually tnink tno— their frustration. an i actually think the rishi— their frustration. an i actually think the rishi sunak in his tno— think the rishi sunak in his tino point— think the rishi sunak in his five point plan— think the rishi sunak in his five point plan to halve inflation— five point plan to halve inflation and- five point plan to halve inflation and grow the economy

ant— inflation and grow the economy ant notaoo— inflation and grow the economy and reduce our— inflation and grow the economy and reduce our debt and cut the nas— and reduce our debt and cut the nns naiting— and reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list— and reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list and stop the smatt— nhs waiting list and stop the smaii toats. — nhs waiting list and stop the small boats. i— nhs waiting list and stop the small boats. i think he's doing okaotiy— small boats. i think he's doing okaotiy tno— small boats. i think he's doing exactly the right— small boats. i think he's doing exactly the right things and tot-s— exactly the right things and tot-s tatgo— exactly the right things and let's judge him _ exactly the right things and let's judge him against that. tot-s— let's judge him against that. iot-s tatgo— let's judge him against that. let's judge this— let's judge him against that. let's judge this government against— let's judge this government against tnat— let's judge this government against that. when comes to against that. when it comes to the against that. when it comes to tno-oiootion.— against that. when it comes to the election, counting is the next election, counting is antonnay— the next election, counting is antonnay in— the next election, counting is underway in turkey to establish nno— underway in turkey to establish nno nit— underway in turkey to establish nno niii to— underway in turkey to establish who will be the _ underway in turkey to establish who will be the country's next toaton. — who will be the country's next toaton. ino— who will be the country's next leader. the voters- who will be the country's next leader. v“ leader. the voters have been deciding on whether president erdogan, who's been in power for 20 years, should be re—elected . 20 years, should be re—elected. and opinion polls ahead of the ballot gave his main rival, kamal kilicdaroglu, a slight lead , a clearer indication of lead, a clearer indication of the first round results expected later this evening . and the later this evening. and the ukrainian president has received an award during his visit to germany . anne—elisabeth moutet . was presented with the he was presented with the international charlemagne prize of aachen in recognition of the ukrainian people and vladimir zelenskyy's fight for freedom against what's been described as the unjustified russian war of aggression. the board of directors said the award

underscores the fact that ukraine is part of europe and the country supports the bloc's european values. later tonight , european values. later tonight, zelenskyy will meet with the french president , zelenskyy will meet with the french president, emmanuel macron. the pair will sit for a dinner meeting where france will reaffirm its military and humanitarian support for the war torn country . tv online humanitarian support for the war torn country. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is. gb news. welcome back to free speech nation. just to see if you natoning— nation. just to see if you watching the— \t just to see if you watching the brilliant alistair ant— watching the brilliant alistair ant nyia— watching the brilliant alistair and ayla from _ watching the brilliant alistair and ayla from living freedom sammo— and ayla from living freedom summer school— and ayla from living freedom summer school in the previous noan. — summer school in the previous noan. koa— summer school in the previous hour. you still— summer school in the previous hour. you still have a week to took— hour. you still have a week to took yoan— hour. you still have a week to book your place _ hour. you still have a week to book your place for june 20th on.— book your place for june 20th on. to— book your place for june 20th on. to ist— book your place for june 20th 9th to 1st july _ book your place for june 20th 9th to 1st july. so— book your place for june 20th 9th to 1st july. so you better get— 9th to 1st july. so you better got yoan— 9th to 1st july. so you better get your skates— 9th to 1st july. so you better get your skates on. head to tning— get your skates on. head to living freedom.org .uk. now tot-s— living freedom.org .uk. now tot-s got— living freedom.org .uk. now let's get some— living freedom.org .uk. now let's get some more questions tnom— let's get some more questions tnom tno— let's get some more questions from the audience . our first from the audience. our first gaostion— from the audience. our first gaostion is— from the audience. our first question is from _ from the audience. our first question is from brian in. not— question is from brian in. not. nano— question is from brian in. well, have the— question is from brian in. well, have the oscars- question is from brian in. well, have the oscars taking

their new inclusion asian and diversity standards too far? have the oscars taken their new inoiasion— have the oscars taken their new inoiasion ant— have the oscars taken their new inclusion and diversity standards— inclusion and diversity standards too far? starting in zoom.— standards too far? starting in zoom. titms— standards too far? starting in 2024, films will— standards too far? starting in 2024, films will be required to moot— 2024, films will be required to moot non— 2024, films will be required to meet new inclusion standards to be meet new inclusion standards to to oiigiito— meet new inclusion standards to to otigitio ton— meet new inclusion standards to be eligible for the— meet new inclusion standards to be eligible for the academy nnants— be eligible for the academy nnants ton— be eligible for the academy awards for best— be eligible for the academy awards for best picture , they'll awards for best picture, they'll nano — awards for best picture, they'll nano to — awards for best picture, they'll nano to nano— awards for best picture, they'll have to have a— awards for best picture, they'll have to have a have a certain ponoontago— have to have a have a certain nonoontago ot— have to have a have a certain percentage of actors or crew tnom— percentage of actors or crew from underrepresented racial or otnnio— from underrepresented racial or otnnio goats.— from underrepresented racial or ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, the ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, tno aoton— ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, the actor who's— ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, the actor who's in— ethnic groups. richer dreyfuss, the actor who's in jaws and some otnon— the actor who's in jaws and some otnon goot— the actor who's in jaws and some other good films,— the actor who's in jaws and some other good films, said, they mako— other good films, said, they mako mo— other good films, said, they make me vomit.— other good films, said, they make me vomit. why what do you mako— make me vomit. why what do you mako ot— make me vomit. why what do you mako ot tniso— make me vomit. why what do you make of this? francis well, not.— make of this? francis well, not. took.— make of this? francis well, well, look, the— make of this? francis well, well, look, the reality is, is tnat— well, look, the reality is, is that hollywood _ well, look, the reality is, is that hollywood is famously inonotiity— that hollywood is famously incredibly nepotistic. it always has incredibly nepotistic. it always nas ooon.— incredibly nepotistic. it always nas toon. so— incredibly nepotistic. it always has been. so there's part of me tnat— has been. so there's part of me tnat goos— has been. so there's part of me an goos. on.— has been. so there's part of me that goes, oh, this— has been. so there's part of me that goes, oh, this might aotaaiiy— that goes, oh, this might actually be— that goes, oh, this might actually be a— that goes, oh, this might actually be a good thing. but if you actually be a good thing. but if yoa noo— actually be a good thing. but if yoa toing— actually be a good thing. but if you were doing it— actually be a good thing. but if you were doing it to be tokenistic_ you were doing it to be tokenistic ,_ you were doing it to be tokenistic , then quite frankly, tokenistic, then quite frankly, it's pointless— tokenistic, then quite frankly, it's pointless .— tokenistic, then quite frankly, it's pointless . what you need is it's pointless. what you need is pebble— it's pointless. what you need is some people outside of hollywood who some people outside of hollywood nno aont— some people outside of hollywood nno aont .— some people outside of hollywood nno aont . ao— some people outside of hollywood who aren't . no i— some people outside of hollywood who aren't . no i mean , well,

who aren't. no i mean, well, snoaking— who aren't. no i mean, well, snoaking ot— who aren't. no i mean, well, snoaking on in— who aren't. no i mean, well, speaking of in the comedy intastny— speaking of in the comedy intastny. no— speaking of in the comedy industry, no, i— speaking of in the comedy industry, no, i really hate when tnono-s— industry, no, i really hate when there's representation on gaotas. — there's representation on gaotas. ant— there's representation on quotas. and i- there's representation on quotas. ' v“ there's representation on- quotas. and i mean, i appreciate that gender and race are two different topics. but we see this in comedy all the time. female actor preferred. and then as soon as you get booked, you think, did i get booked because they work did they they like my work or did they book because they needed book me because they needed to tick a box and i just think it is so undermining to the people who getting work. who end up getting the work. it's obviously tick a box it's obviously to tick a box oost — it's obviously to tick a box oost _to— it's obviously to tick a box crest. to bumble, but crest. sorry to bumble, but yoan.— crest. sorry to bumble, but yoan. no— crest. sorry to bumble, but yoan. i— crest. sorry to bumble, but yeah, no, i think- crest. sorry to bumble, but yeah, no, i think you're both nignt.— yeah, no, i think you're both nignt. its— yeah, no, i think you're both nignt. no i— yeah, no, i think you're both right. it's i mean, it takes away— right. it's i mean, it takes away tno— right. it's i mean, it takes away the sort— right. it's i mean, it takes away the sort the away the sort of the achievements you know, achievements and then, you know, noonio— achievements and then, you know, ooono-to— achievements and then, you know, people-to question- achievements and then, you know, people to question and people are going to question and say,— people are going to question and say-noti— people are going to question and say-noti-nas- people are going to question and say,-well, .was just- people are going to question and say, well, was just a say, oh, well, that was just a tokonistio— say, oh, well, that was just a tokenistic booking. was, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, booking. was, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, thating. was, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, that wasn't was, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, that wasn't on vas, say, oh, well, that was just a toke know, that wasn't on their you know, that wasn't on their monit— you know, that wasn't on their own merit. well,— you know, that wasn't on their own merit. well, look. and it's inonotiity— own merit. well, look. and it's incredibly hypocritical well, incredibly hypocritical as well, tooaaso— incredibly hypocritical as well, because-look- incredibly hypocritical as well, because - look at - incredibly hypocritical as well, because look at how much because if you look at how much it oosts— because if you look at how much it oosts to— because if you look at how much it oosts to to— because if you look at how much it costs to be an— because if you look at how much it costs to be an actor and how maon— it costs to be an actor and how maon it— it costs to be an actor and how much it particularly in much it trains, particularly in tnis— much it trains, particularly in tnis in— much it trains, particularly in tnis in tnis— much it trains, particularly in this in this country, they've takon— this in this country, they've takon anay— this in this country, they've taken away loads of bursaries. tnoy-no— taken away loads of bursaries. they've increased— taken away loads of bursaries. they've increased fees . so they've increased the fees. so aoting— they've increased the fees. so aoting ant— they've increased the fees. so acting and the— they've increased the fees. so acting and the theatre is booming— acting and the theatre is becoming the- acting and the theatre is becoming the preserve of the upper— becoming the preserve of the anon mittio— becoming the preserve of the upper middle class. you don't noot—

upper middle class. you don't noot to. — upper middle class. you don't need to. what— upper middle class. you don't need to. what training, what tnaining— need to. what training, what tnaining to— need to. what training, what training do put— need to. what training, what training do put on a hat and nnotont— training do put on a hat and pnotont yoa— training do put on a hat and pretend you're somebody else tnat-s— pretend you're somebody else tnat-s not. — pretend you're somebody else that's not. well— pretend you're somebody else that's not. well that's what you do. that's not. well that's what you to. noa— that's not. well that's what you to. koa got— that's not. well that's what you to. koa got oat— that's not. well that's what you do. you get out here, mate. you taik— do. you get out here, mate. you taik iiko— do. you get out here, mate. you taik iiko mo— do. you get out here, mate. you talk like me. you're— do. you get out here, mate. you talk like me. you're vegan and yoa— talk like me. you're vegan and yoa ton— talk like me. you're vegan and yoa ton tno— talk like me. you're vegan and you're for the green party. i wont— you're for the green party. i would never— you're for the green party. i would never talk- you're for the green party. i would never talk like you went to itata— would never talk like you went to itata .— would never talk like you went to rada . yeah.— would never talk like you went to rada . yeah. no, i am middle to rada. yeah. no, i am middle oiass— to rada. yeah. no, i am middle class. frances— to rada. yeah. no, i am middle class. frances that's why i'd taik— class. frances that's why i'd never talk like _ class. frances that's why i'd never talk like you anyway, our noat— never talk like you anyway, our noot gaostion— never talk like you anyway, our next question is— never talk like you anyway, our next question is from george, a at— next question is from george, a at nomo. — next question is from george, a viewer at home. why should all noansg— viewer at home. why should all noansg to— viewer at home. why should all vegans be embarrassed this is notating— vegans be embarrassed this is notating to— vegans be embarrassed this is relating to bear— vegans be embarrassed this is relating to bear grylls, who says— relating to bear grylls, who says tnat— relating to bear grylls, who says that he's— relating to bear grylls, who says that he's embarrassed that he says that he's embarrassed that no oon— says that he's embarrassed that he ever promoted— says that he's embarrassed that he ever promoted veganism and now shuns veggies completely in tanoan— now shuns veggies completely in taoa ot— now shuns veggies completely in taoa ot not— now shuns veggies completely in favour of red meat.— now shuns veggies completely in favour of red meat. sounds like ionis— favour of red meat. sounds like lewis schaefer_ favour of red meat. sounds like lewis schaefer grylls, who's now 48, lewis schaefer grylls, who's now as. insists— lewis schaefer grylls, who's now 48, insists his— lewis schaefer grylls, who's now 48, insists his blood and bone tiot— 48, insists his blood and bone marrow diet is— 48, insists his blood and bone marrow diet is much better for his marrow diet is much better for no man — marrow diet is much better for his health. nutrition expert siammot— his health. nutrition expert slammed both— his health. nutrition expert slammed both his unhelpful comments and— slammed both his unhelpful comments and his food choices. ino— comments and his food choices. ino ioonio— comments and his food choices. the iconic adventurer and tv nnosonton— the iconic adventurer and tv presenter claimed he's never toit— presenter claimed he's never toit stnongon— presenter claimed he's never felt stronger and— presenter claimed he's never felt stronger and that his skin ant— felt stronger and that his skin ant gat— felt stronger and that his skin ant gat nano— felt stronger and that his skin and gut have never been better. anton— and gut have never been better. atton timing— and gut have never been better. after binning a— and gut have never been better. after binning a plant based tot.— after binning a plant based diet, kristin— after binning a plant based diet, kristin ,_ after binning a plant based diet, kristin , what do you make diet, kristin, what do you make of diet, kristin, what do you make ot tniso— diet, kristin, what do you make ot tniso on.— diet, kristin, what do you make of this? oh, it's— diet, kristin, what do you make of this? oh, it's the same

statt. — of this? oh, it's the same statt. isn-t— of this? oh, it's the same stuff, isn't it? - of this? oh, it's the same stuff, isn't it? bitty : stuff, isn't it? why does everybody have to be so extreme? why does he have to go from lentils only to bone marrow only? why don't you calm down and eat a balanced diet? bear grylls. yeah, he can't.- and eat a balanced diet? bear grylls. yeah, he can't. i- at: i: t: ti.7 bear grylls. yeah, he can't. i mean, im— grylls. yeah, he can't. i mean, i-m-no-s— grylls. yeah, he can't. i mean, i-m-no-s not.- grylls. yeah, he can't. i mean, i'm-he's not. he's. i'm surprised he's not. he's oating—antl i'm surprised he's not. he's. eating—and blood. eating bone marrow and blood. i'm eating bone marrow and blood. i-m—not- eating bone marrow and blood. i-m—not oatingl i'm surprised he's not eating iiko— i'm surprised he's not eating iiko-a— i'm surprised he's not eating iiko-a tnom- i'm surprised he's not eating like-a from a- i'm surprised he's not eating like-a from a live| like eyes from a from a live snoop— like eyes from a from a live snoop nniio— like eyes from a from a live sheep while he's- like eyes from a from a live sheep while he's wrestling. i moan-is— sheep while he's wrestling. i moan-is a— sheep while he's wrestling. i moan-is a gay- sheep while he's wrestling. i mean, is a guy who claims, mean, this is a guy who claims, isn-t— mean, this is a guy who claims, isn-tltno— mean, this is a guy who claims, isn't-the youngest- mean, this is a guy who claims, isn't the youngest person to isn't he the youngest person to otimt— isn't he the youngest person to otimt- — isn't he the youngest person to otimt- |ton-t- isn't he the youngest person to climb- .don't know.| isn't he the youngest person to. climb- .don't know. i'm climb everest? i don't know. i'm not that familiar with his work, to be honest. but i think this im— to be honest. but i think this in tast— to be honest. but i think this in inst-tast— to be honest. but i think this i'm just-just amazed.- but i think this i'm just just amazed. he's i'm just i'm just amazed. he's as. — i'm just i'm just amazed. he's as. |tnoagnt— i'm just i'm just amazed. he's as.|tnoagnt i— i'm just i'm just amazed. he's 48. thought i thought was 48. i thought i thought he was 12 48. i thought i thought he was it kyin— 48. i thought i thought he was it kyin naming— 48. i thought i thought he was 12 kyiv running about in shorts, tning— 12 kyiv running about in shorts, iining iiko— 12 kyiv running about in shorts, iining iiko a— 12 kyiv running about in shorts, living like a-scout- living like a boy scout pomotaatiy- living like a boy scout- perpetually. - lifestyle perpetually. is that a lifestyle yoa-t— perpetually. is that a lifestyle yoa-t enjoy? — perpetually. is that a lifestyle yoa-t enjoy? i— perpetually. is that a lifestyle you'd enjoy? : i you'd enjoy? i would, actually. noat— you'd enjoy? i would, actually. nan-oan-t— you'd enjoy? i would, actually. yeah,-can't believe. yeah, i would. i can't believe tnono-s— yeah, i would. i can't believe tnono-s a— yeah, i would. i can't believe there's a vegan— yeah, i would. i can't believe there's a vegan called bear onus.— there's a vegan called bear onyiis. i— there's a vegan called bear grylls. i mean,— there's a vegan called bear grylls. i mean, like , that is grylls. i mean, like, that is ridiculous.— grylls. i mean, like, that is ridiculous. when have you seen a nogan— ridiculous. when have you seen a nogan gniiio— ridiculous. when have you seen a vegan grill? anything? do you know— vegan grill? anything? do you know nnat— vegan grill? anything? do you know nnat i— vegan grill? anything? do you know what i mean? and if you tnink— know what i mean? and if you tnink ot— know what i mean? and if you tnink ot a— know what i mean? and if you think of a vegan— know what i mean? and if you think of a vegan animal, you're not going— think of a vegan animal, you're not going to— think of a vegan animal, you're not going to think— think of a vegan animal, you're not going to think of a bear. noan. — not going to think of a bear. noan. ioo— not going to think of a bear. noan. i>o yoa— not going to think of a bear. yeah. do you think if he was oaiiot— yeah. do you think if he was called carrot— yeah. do you think if he was called carrot steamer? yes atsoiatoiy. — called carrot steamer? yes absolutely. _you- called carrot steamer? yes absolutely. you go. yes absolutely. then you go. yes nos.— absolutely. then you go. yes yes. - excellent. - absolutely. then you go. yes yes. excellent. this is yes. yeah. excellent. this is nnat— yes. yeah. excellent. this is nnat i— yes. yeah. excellent. this is what i think— yes. yeah. excellent. this is what i think a— yes. yeah. excellent. this is what i think a vegan is. yeah omis— what i think a vegan is. yeah onnis. nano— what i think a vegan is. yeah chris, have you— what i think a vegan is. yeah chris, have you ever tried a giant—

chris, have you ever tried a giant tasot— chris, have you ever tried a plant based diet? i have, yeah. did plant based diet? i have, yeah. nit a— plant based diet? i have, yeah. did a couple of years on that. had a youth, haven't we? it was fun. i didn't any fun. i didn't feel any different. we're so different. i think we're so spoilt for food in the west, you know, it was so not everybody, but was fine. i went but i mean, it was fine. i went to holland and barrett and bought the pretend cheese and coped on with it. but coped and moved on with it. but i think he should be a bit i do think he should be a bit embarrassed because if you promote anything interferes promote anything that interferes with to with other people's lives to that extent, you then kind of, yeah, be embarrassed. yeah, you should be embarrassed. you've this you've caused them to take this great step. so you think, you tnink— great step. so you think, you think dozens— great step. so you think, you think dozens of— t;iti;a so you think, you think dozens of people could be non—noatn.- now getting out of breath, naiking— now getting out of breath, natking an— now getting out of breath, walking up stairs because of ooan— walking up stairs because of bear-promoting- walking up stairs because of bear promoting maybe. oi bear grylls promoting maybe. or maybe— bear grylls promoting maybe. or maybe-spont— bear grylls promoting maybe. or maybe-spent-muchl maybe they just spent too much money i don't know. but money on tofu? i don't know. but yeah, tell other yeah, i wouldn't tell other people do. i suppose people what to do. i suppose that's he should that's why he should be embarrassed. he should give the monoy—nis— embarrassed. he should give the money-his cookbooks,| money back from his cookbooks, onono— money back from his cookbooks, onono-natty— money back from his cookbooks, prove-really sorry,- money back from his cookbooks, prove really sorry, mate. prove he's really sorry, mate. noam— prove he's really sorry, mate. noan. tot-s— prove he's really sorry, mate. yeah. let's have— prove he's really sorry, mate. yeah. let's have some of that. onyiis— yeah. let's have some of that. onus-noam- yeah. let's have some of that. grylls yeah. donate grylls anyway. yeah. donate it toltatonon. — grylls anyway. yeah. donate it to butcher. anyway, our to a butcher. yeah. anyway, our nont— to a butcher. yeah. anyway, our noot—tnom - to a butcher. yeah. anyway, our next—from peter.- next question is from peter. inton— next question is from peter. noon—okay.- next question is from peter.- peter_okay. should peter over here. okay. should teenagers the vote or do you teenagers get the vote or do you think they're still bit too think they're still a bit too immature politically ? should immature politically? should teenagers get the— immature politically? should teenagers get the vote?- i 7 should teenagers get the vote? this is sir teenagers get the vote? this is sin koin— teenagers get the vote? this is sir keir starmer_ teenagers get the vote? this is sir keir starmer is— teenagers get the vote? this is sir keir starmer is considering

nians— sir keir starmer is considering ntanslaiion— sir keir starmer is considering plans allow millions of eu plans to allow millions of eu oitizon— plans to allow millions of eu oitizon to— plans to allow millions of eu citizen to vote— plans to allow millions of eu citizen to vote in— plans to allow millions of eu citizen to vote in general oiootions— citizen to vote in general elections under labour gonomnont- elections under labour government. and they're also matting— government. and they're also mulling whether— government. and they're also mulling whether to expand the noto — mulling whether to expand the noto to — mulling whether to expand the noto to to— mulling whether to expand the vote to 16 and— mulling whether to expand the vote to 16 and 17— mulling whether to expand the vote to 16 and 17 year olds, nnion— vote to 16 and 17 year olds, which seems— vote to 16 and 17 year olds, which seems insane to me because the which seems insane to me because to yoangon— which seems insane to me because to yoangon yoa— which seems insane to me because to yoangon yoa got.— which seems insane to me because the younger you get, the more stanit— the younger you get, the more stapit yoa— the younger you get, the more stapit yoa got— the younger you get, the more stapit yoa got . — the younger you get, the more stupid you get . tv4i;nit v“ the younger you get, the more stupid you get . 4 stupid you get. yeah, that sounds reasonable to me . yeah, sounds reasonable to me. yeah, well, they're not allowed to do anything else, are they? they're not allowed to smoke, get married. what else can't married. and what else can't they do? drive when does that start. so can drive. you can start. so you can drive. you can start. so you can drive. you can start at 16, so you— start. so you can drive. you can start at 16, so you-drive- start. so you can drive. you can start at 16, so you-drive to. start at 16, so you can drive to tno— start at 16, so you can drive to to potting— start at 16, so you can drive to to potting-nat- start at 16, so you can drive to the polling-but no,i the polling station. but no, its— the polling station. but no, its-yoang.— the polling station. but no, it's young, isn't it? i it's too young, isn't it? i mean, it's just it's far too young. yeah. and francis, do you think we should also look at perhaps ruling, ruling it back from absolutely. from women? yes, absolutely. i i— from women? yes, absolutely. i mean, i mean, there— 7 yes, absolutely. i mean, i mean, there are some angamonts— mean, i mean, there are some angamonts ton— mean, i mean, there are some arguments for this. ja arguments for this. paul davis aotaaiiy— arguments for this. paul davis actually argues for this because it would support her political leanings if because these aren't my opinion, these opinions are not mine. but she she wants that so right wing people so that more right wing people will vote and she'll get the party wants. yeah, well, party she wants. yeah, well, tnat-s— party she wants. yeah, well, mats—att- party she wants. yeah, well,j that's—all about. party she wants. yeah, well,i that's—all about. i that's what this is all about. i

mean,-starmer- that's what this is all about. i mean, starmer and labour, mean, keir starmer and labour, tnoy— mean, keir starmer and labour, tnoy nant— mean, keir starmer and labour, tnoy nant an— mean, keir starmer and labour, they want an electorate who's mono-to— they want an electorate who's mono-to noto— they want an electorate who's more to vote labour. so more likely to vote labour. so by-ini_ more likely to vote labour. so toy-in. i— more likely to vote labour. so toy-in. i mink.- more likely to vote labour. so by-in, i think, £6- by bringing in, i think, £6 tittion— by bringing in, i think, £6 tittion 6— by bringing in, i think, £6 billion, 6 million, sorry, we're not.— billion, 6 million, sorry, we're not. mat-s— billion, 6 million, sorry, we're not. inat-s 6— billion, 6 million, sorry, we're not. that's 6 million eu nationais— not. that's 6 million eu nationals who- not. that's 6 million eu nationals who live in the uk. i tnoy-no— nationals who live in the uk. i mean they're assuming that tnoy-no— mean they're assuming that tnoy-no going— mean they're assuming that tnoy-no going to— mean they're assuming that they're going to going to vote tott— they're going to going to vote iott wing.— they're going to going to vote iott ning. i— they're going to going to vote left wing. i mean, i think that is tno— left wing. i mean, i think that is to tinst— left wing. i mean, i think that is the first time— left wing. i mean, i think that is the first time around. a bit of is the first time around. a bit ot an— is the first time around. a bit of an assumption. i think we've s-oonknon— of an assumption. i think we've seen, know, certainly, you seen, you know, certainly, you know.— seen, you know, certainly, you knon-sooont- seen, you know, certainly, you know, - second and i know, especially second and mint— know, especially second and third immigrants know, especially second and. third—immigrants can third generation immigrants can can _conservative. i can become quite conservative. kyin— can become quite conservative. kyin nat— can become quite conservative. kyin nat is— can become quite conservative. kyiv but is something i know in sootiant— kyiv but is something i know in sootiant tno — kyiv but is something i know in scotland the snp— kyiv but is something i know in scotland the snp was looking at this scotland the snp was looking at tnis tooaaso— scotland the snp was looking at this because, you— scotland the snp was looking at this because, you know, young ioonio— this because, you know, young pebble ano— this because, you know, young pebble yoang— this because, you know, young people are young and idealistic and people are young and idealistic ant oomnioto— people are young and idealistic and complete idiots. they nanon-t— and complete idiots. they haven't had— and complete idiots. they haven't had that life experience tnat— haven't had that life experience tnat toits— haven't had that life experience tnat toits yoa— haven't had that life experience that tells you, listen, you oan-t— that tells you, listen, you can't follow _ that tells you, listen, you can't follow an- that tells you, listen, you can't follow an ideology vote. tony— can't follow an ideology vote. tony tom.— can't follow an ideology vote. tory yeah, well,— can't follow an ideology vote. tory yeah, well, it's a very goot— tory yeah, well, it's a very goot point.— tory yeah, well, it's a very good point, but- tory yeah, well, it's a very good point, but if you think atoat— good point, but if you think atoat n,— good point, but if you think about it, imagine if jeremy oontyn— about it, imagine if jeremy oontyn nat— about it, imagine if jeremy corbyn had 6— about it, imagine if jeremy corbyn had 6 million people ontna— corbyn had 6 million people ontna noting— corbyn had 6 million people extra voting for— corbyn had 6 million people extra voting for him . he still extra voting for him. he still wont— extra voting for him. he still noait nano— extra voting for him. he still would have lost— extra voting for him. he still would have lost .— extra voting for him. he still would have lost . there's no way would have lost. there's no way he would have lost. there's no way no noait— would have lost. there's no way he would have— would have lost. there's no way he would have actually made it. took.— he would have actually made it. took. tno— he would have actually made it. look, the reality— he would have actually made it. look, the reality is— he would have actually made it. look, the reality is people noait— look, the reality is people would have— look, the reality is people would have been upset, would nano— would have been upset, would nano ioon— would have been upset, would have been fantastic. yeah. look, the have been fantastic. yeah. look, to noaiity— have been fantastic. yeah. look, to noaiity is— have been fantastic. yeah. look, the reality is it's— have been fantastic. yeah. look, the reality is it's a— have been fantastic. yeah. look, the reality is it's a deeply oynioai— the reality is it's a deeply oynioat ploy— the reality is it's a deeply oynioat ploy ty- the reality is it's a deeply cynical ploy by labour cynical ploy by the labour

tany. — cynical ploy by the labour tany. _tnoy-no- cynical ploy by the labour party. they're trying to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're they're trying to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're looking'e trying to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're looking at rying to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're looking at this] to do cynical ploy by the labour péthey're looking at this whole is they're looking at this whole soiootion— is they're looking at this whole soiootion ot— is they're looking at this whole selection of voters— is they're looking at this whole selection of voters . they know selection of voters. they know tnat— selection of voters. they know tnat tnoy— selection of voters. they know that they skew— selection of voters. they know that they skew left because young— that they skew left because young pebble— that they skew left because young people frequently do . and young people frequently do. and tnon— young people frequently do. and tnon tnoy— young people frequently do. and then they think— young people frequently do. and then they think that actually tnat— then they think that actually mat is— then they think that actually mat is a— then they think that actually mat is a nay— then they think that actually that is a way for— then they think that actually that is a way for them to be atto— that is a way for them to be atto to— that is a way for them to be able to secure— that is a way for them to be able to secure this entire group of able to secure this entire group on ioonio— able to secure this entire group on noonto. mako— able to secure this entire group of people, make them more oiootatio— of people, make them more electable and— of people, make them more electable and not actually have to nano— electable and not actually have to have decent— electable and not actually have to have decent policies when noaiiy— to have decent policies when noatiy att— to have decent policies when really all they— to have decent policies when really all they need to do is naton— really all they need to do is naton a— really all they need to do is watch a conservative party drive tnis— watch a conservative party drive tnis ooantny— watch a conservative party drive this country off— watch a conservative party drive this country off a— watch a conservative party drive this country off a cliff and tast— this country off a cliff and tast go— this country off a cliff and tast go noto— this country off a cliff and just go vote for- this country off a cliff and just go vote for us. we've got no notioios— just go vote for us. we've got no policies which _ just go vote for us. we've got no policies which is going to be the no policies which is going to be to nont— no policies which is going to be the next general— no policies which is going to be the next general election. yeah, it's the next general election. yeah, its a— the next general election. yeah, its a noaiiy— the next general election. yeah, it's a really inspired election nnoposition— it's a really inspired election anoposition .— it's a really inspired election proposition . know we've got proposition. know we've got a gaostion— proposition. know we've got a gaostion tnom— proposition. know we've got a question from tricia, who's omaiiot— question from tricia, who's omaiiot in— question from tricia, who's emailed in should fat people be togaiiy— emailed in should fat people be legally protected— emailed in should fat people be legally protected from weight discrimination?— legally protected from weight discrimination? they're called ioonio— discrimination? they're called pebble ot— discrimination? they're called people of weight. leo so fat ioonio— people of weight. leo so fat pebble nit— people of weight. leo so fat people will be— people of weight. leo so fat people will be protected from discrimination— people will be protected from discrimination under law passed in ton— discrimination under law passed in ton nonk.— discrimination under law passed in new york, as— discrimination under law passed in new york, as critics warn it oaons— in new york, as critics warn it oaons a— in new york, as critics warn it oaons a ton— in new york, as critics warn it oaons a toon to— in new york, as critics warn it opens a door to sue anyone and ononytning.— opens a door to sue anyone and ononytning. i— opens a door to sue anyone and everything. i mean,— opens a door to sue anyone and everything. i mean, how are they going— everything. i mean, how are they going to— everything. i mean, how are they going to ononoo— everything. i mean, how are they going to enforce that on tinder? mat-s— going to enforce that on tinder? inat-s nnat— going to enforce that on tinder? inat-s nnat i— going to enforce that on tinder? that's what i want— going to enforce that on tinder? that's what i want to know. took.— that's what i want to know. iook. took.— that's what i want to know. look, look, i'm— that's what i want to know. look, look, i'm just going to

say,— look, look, i'm just going to sayi-i_ look, look, i'm just going to say-i tooi— look, look, i'm just going to say,-i feel-for. look, look, i'm just going to say,-i feel-for fatj say, look, i feel sorry for fat ioonio— say, look, i feel sorry for fat poopto. tnoy— say, look, i feel sorry for fat people. they don't have their own—to- people. they don't have their onn—to tnoy?- people. they don't have their- own_do they? there's own movement, do they? there's no-ton— own movement, do they? there's no-ton tat— own movement, do they? there's no -for fat people. - own movement, do they? there's no for fat people. big lives no blm for fat people. big lives matton— no blm for fat people. big lives matter. thank— no blm for fat people. big lives matter. thank you. _ no blm for fat people. big lives matter. thank you. that's it for ton— matter. thank you. that's it for me. now retiring— matter. thank you. that's it for me. now retiring after that one toty— me. now retiring after that one toty aositinity— me. now retiring after that one body positivity movement, sanoiyo— body positivity movement, surely? yeah,— body positivity movement, surely? yeah, but no one's on boat— surely? yeah, but no one's on boat nitn— surely? yeah, but no one's on board with that— surely? yeah, but no one's on board with that .— surely? yeah, but no one's on board with that . you can only board with that. you can only nano— board with that. you can only nano atoat— board with that. you can only have about three _ board with that. you can only have about three people on boat. — have about three people on boat. i— have about three people on board. i think— have about three people on board. i think it's- have about three people on board. . . ”pi: board. i think it's a bit mad, isn't it? i remember reading a ben elton novel when i was a teenager where everybody gets really angry with each other and at the they all try and sue at the end they all try and sue god and not that unlikely god and it's not that unlikely now, it? yeah, i mean, yeah. now, is it? yeah, i mean, yeah. and it seems it seems strange to tama— and it seems it seems strange to lump discrimination in with lump this discrimination in with otnon— lump this discrimination in with other characters— lump this discrimination in with other characters mistakes such as race or sexuality, which, you know.— as race or sexuality, which, you know. yoa — as race or sexuality, which, you know. yoa ton-t— as race or sexuality, which, you know, you don't pick and choose. i know, you don't pick and choose. i moan— know, you don't pick and choose. i mean, we've , well,— know, you don't pick and choose. i mean, we've , well, we've i mean, we've, well, we've gonton— i mean, we've, well, we've gonton yoa— i mean, we've, well, we've gonton yoa oan— i mean, we've, well, we've gender you can now pick and oooson— gender you can now pick and oooson mato. — gender you can now pick and choose mate. yeah but gender you can choose mate. yeah but gender you niok— choose mate. yeah but gender you niok ant— choose mate. yeah but gender you can pick and choose.— choose mate. yeah but gender you can pick and choose. but with, i nitn— can pick and choose. but with, i mean with obesity— can pick and choose. but with, i mean with obesity you can pick ant—to- mean with obesity you can pick ant—to ononl mean with obesity you can pick. and _to open that and choose whether to open that tnitgo— and choose whether to open that tnitgo toon. — and choose whether to open that fridge door. it's— and choose whether to open that fridge door. it's not— and choose whether to open that fridge door. it's not the same as race.imean_ fridge door. it's not the same as race.imean the- fridge door. it's not the same as race. mean the fact to me as race. i mean the fact to me is toyont— as race. i mean the fact to me is toyont panoty— as race. i mean the fact to me is beyond parody. the fact that ioonio— is beyond parody. the fact that noooto tnono— is beyond parody. the fact that people there are— is beyond parody. the fact that people there are fat activists

ant— people there are fat activists ant tnoy— people there are fat activists and they equate— people there are fat activists and they equate their struggle nitn— and they equate their struggle nitn tno— and they equate their struggle with the civil— and they equate their struggle with the civil rights activists. nnat— with the civil rights activists. nnat nations— with the civil rights activists. what happens if— with the civil rights activists. what happens if they get too aotino— what happens if they get too aotino ant— what happens if they get too active and start— what happens if they get too active and start losing that noignto— active and start losing that weight? yeah,— active and start losing that weight? yeah, that's a bit of a conundrum. yeah.- weight? yeah, that's a bit of a conundrum. tv4i;nit v“ �*7 iti conundrum. yeah. if you're a peaceful , fat person and you peaceful, fat person and you just completely mortified by this and you're thinking, oh god, now people aren't going to employ i work in employ me, even though i work in it, it doesn't matter that it, and it doesn't matter that i can't around. would just can't run around. i would just be so embarrassed, wouldn't you? would you comfort, eat, would it make you comfort, eat, i would it make you comfort, eat, i — would it make you comfort, eat, i nos.— would it make you comfort, eat, i nos. it— would it make you comfort, eat, i mean. yes, it would. it would , i i mean. yes, it would. it would .-i moan— i mean. yes, it would. it would .-i tno— i mean. yes, it would. it would ,-i mean, the entire- i mean. yes, it would. it would , i mean, the entire thing , yeah. i mean, the entire thing is nitioaioas— , yeah. i mean, the entire thing is ridiculous and— , yeah. i mean, the entire thing is ridiculous and it— , yeah. i mean, the entire thing is ridiculous and it shows in a way— is ridiculous and it shows in a nay non— is ridiculous and it shows in a way how comfortable we've become as a sooioty— way how comfortable we've become as a sooioty tnat— way how comfortable we've become as a society that fat— way how comfortable we've become as a society that fat people now itontity— as a society that fat people now itontity as— as a society that fat people now itontity as an— as a society that fat people now identify as an oppressed group. do identify as an oppressed group. to yoa— identify as an oppressed group. do you remember— identify as an oppressed group. do you remember when they just itontitiot— do you remember when they just itontitiot as— do you remember when they just identified as jolly— do you remember when they just identified as jolly ? do you identified as jolly? do you remember that? yeah. you know , remember that? yeah. you know, tnat— remember that? yeah. you know, tnat nas— remember that? yeah. you know, tnat it.— remember that? yeah. you know, that was it. oh,— remember that? yeah. you know, that was it. oh, he's fat. he's nanny— that was it. oh, he's fat. he's tanny .— that was it. oh, he's fat. he's tanny . noam— that was it. oh, he's fat. he's funny . yeah. you— that was it. oh, he's fat. he's funny . yeah. you know, obviously funny. yeah. you know, obviously toot— funny. yeah. you know, obviously some deep seated— funny. yeah. you know, obviously some deep seated trauma, which no— some deep seated trauma, which no oats— some deep seated trauma, which means he eats too— some deep seated trauma, which means he eats too much. but it tno— means he eats too much. but it tno oos.— means he eats too much. but it was the 90s. no— means he eats too much. but it was the 90s. no one cared and. noan. — was the 90s. no one cared and. noan. ant— was the 90s. no one cared and. noan. ant no— was the 90s. no one cared and. yeah. and we had— was the 90s. no one cared and. yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind of yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind ot nonkot— yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind ot nonkot. nat— yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind of worked. but this— yeah. and we had an nhs. it kind of worked. but this is getting away— of worked. but this is getting away-it— of worked. but this is getting anay-it toing- of worked. but this is getting away it being problem, away from it being a problem, isn-t— away from it being a problem, isn-t-it-s— away from it being a problem, isn't-it's pretending- away from it being a problem, isn't : v“t; isn't it? it's pretending that it's not a problem. and i'm

afraid i'm opinion that afraid i'm of the opinion that it problem. um, for the it is a problem. um, for the person suffering it. yeah. and it's person suffering it. yeah. and its somotning— person suffering it. yeah. and it's something that— v“ v“t; . yeah. and it's something that perhaps ioonio— it's something that perhaps. poonio—knon. people need a spur, you know, fort— people need a spur, you know, ton-goot— people need a spur, you know, ton-goot ot— people need a spur, you know, for,-good of their- for, for the good of their noatn.— for, for the good of their man i— for, for the good of their health. i know- for, for the good of their health. i know we've got a movement of— health. i know we've got a movement of people saying you can movement of people saying you to— movement of people saying you to noaitny— movement of people saying you can be healthy at— movement of people saying you can be healthy at any size. you oan-t— can be healthy at any size. you oan-t noaiiy— can be healthy at any size. you can't really be— can be healthy at any size. you can't really be healthy at 32 stono— can't really be healthy at 32 stone-afraid _ can't really be healthy at 32 stone-afraid it's- stone i'm afraid it's ridiculous.- stone i'm afraid it's ridiculous. die young. and they ainays—to- ridiculous. die young. and they ainays—to a- ridiculous. die young. and they always—to a lot- ridiculous. die young. and they always—to a lot of. always try to trade to a lot of ioonio— always try to trade to a lot of noooto tnain— always try to trade to a lot of people train me— always try to trade to a lot of people train me excuses. they say,— people train me excuses. they saya-n— people train me excuses. they say,-an overactive- say, i've got an overactive tnynoit— say, i've got an overactive tnynoitlan— say, i've got an overactive thyroid an underactive thyroid or an underactive tnynoit— thyroid or an underactive thyroid whatever. thyroid or whatever. it's no, yoa— thyroid or whatever. it's no, yoano-an— thyroid or whatever. it's no, you've an overactive you've got an overactive elbow tnat— you've got an overactive elbow mat is— you've got an overactive elbow mat is tinting— you've got an overactive elbow that is lifting kebab off that is lifting the kebab off yoan— that is lifting the kebab off yoan-yoa- that is lifting the kebab off yoan-yoa knon- that is lifting the kebab off your you know what? that is lifting the kebab off- your-you know what? so your face. do you know what? so ononytoty—so - your face. do you know what? so ononytoty—so so- your face. do you know what? so everybody—so so my. everybody will know. so so my moms—nignti- everybody will know. so so my mom's—right? and| everybody will know. so so my. mom's—right? and my mom's venezuelan, right.7 and my unde— mom's venezuelan, right.7 and my uncle-morbidly— mom's venezuelan, right.7 and my uncle morbidly obese and he uncle was morbidly obese and he always— uncle was morbidly obese and he always said,— uncle was morbidly obese and he aways sad, 0h,— uncle was morbidly obese and he always said, oh, i've got an underactive— always said, oh, i've got an underactive thyroid . whatever it underactive thyroid. whatever it is, underactive thyroid. whatever it alma— underactive thyroid. whatever it aslaag boned,— underactive thyroid. whatever it is, big boned, whatever is, i'm big boned, whatever i can-a— is, i'm big boned, whatever i can-a lase— is, i'm big boned, whatever i can't lose weight. i've tried «warming,— can't lose weight. i've tried everything, call— can't lose weight. i've tried everything, call mechanism came can't lose weight. i've tried evtw01ing, call mechanism came can't lose weight. i've tried ev two years. all mechanism came can't lose weight. i've tried evtwo years. normal anism came can't lose weight. i've tried ev two years. normal weight,ame in two years. normal weight, agha— in two years. normal weight, right a— in two years. normal weight, right .7 socialism _ in two years. normal weight, right .7 socialism is the solution right.7 socialism is the solution to obesity.— right.7 socialism is the solution to obesity. exactly— right.7 socialism is the solution to obesity. exactly it's not because— to obesity. exactly it's not because look— to obesity. exactly it's not because look at- to obesity. exactly it's not because look at scotland . that's because look at scotland. that's not saaausm— because look at scotland. that's not socialism .— because look at scotland. that's not socialism . that's just not socialism. that's just gassing— not socialism. that's just gassing money- not socialism. that's just getting money from england and spending— getting money from england and spending as— getting money from england and spending as ea— getting money from england and spending it on mars bars. anyway,— spending it on mars bars. anyway, ea— spending it on mars bars. anyway, our final question is from— anyway, our final question is from aaaka— anyway, our final question is from aaaka .— anyway, our final question is from anika . is— anyway, our final question is from anika . is anika in the

from anika. is anika in the studie— from anika. is anika in the studio agha— from anika. is anika in the studio right here? / : studio right here? yeah. should fat cats stop working from the country homes ? is this is not country homes? is this is not fat country homes? is this is not as case— country homes? is this is not fat cats? well,— country homes? is this is not fat cats? well, no. _ if». , is this is not fat cats? well, no. we've zix. , is this is not fat cats? well, no. we've just been— fat cats? well, no. we've just been talking— fat cats? well, no. we've just been talking about fat people. ans— been talking about fat people. ms is— been talking about fat people. ms is nea— been talking about fat people. this is not literal— been talking about fat people. this is not literal fat cats. anis— this is not literal fat cats. ms is— this is not literal fat cats. ms as fat— this is not literal fat cats. this is fat cats. - this is not literal fat cats. this is fat cats. stop working nan— this is fat cats. stop working from name— this is fat cats. stop working from home in— this is fat cats. stop working from home in their country. mansions— from home in their country. mansions as— from home in their country. mansions is wealthy company managers are told to stop working— managers are told to stop working from _ managers are told to stop working from home in their cannery— working from home in their eeanan naas— working from home in their country pads and come back into the country pads and come back into ane-jasa— country pads and come back into ane-jasa-anen- country pads and come back into the _just-their lower. the office just like their lower nae— the office just like their lower paid-|— the office just like their lower paid-l nean— the office just like their lower paid i mean, what do you paid staff. i mean, what do you make— paid staff. i mean, what do you make an— paid staff. i mean, what do you make an ans— paid staff. i mean, what do you make of this, chris? �*fa�*nzixc make of this, chris? well, no, beaase— make of this, chris? well, no, because the lower paid staff are obviously a lot more fun obviously having a lot more fun running around not doing any work. comes back, work. if the boss comes back, they're going to have to get on with so i'm with it, aren't they? so i'm surprised don't want surprised that they don't want to come back. my experience is usually people at top of usually the people at the top of the chain. they want be the food chain. they want to be there to see what's going on. yeah > and crack the whip. i mean,-are-going- yeah > and crack the whip. i- mean,-are-going.crack mean, how are you going to crack the mean, how are you going to crack bne nnbb— mean, how are you going to crack bne nnbb b— mean, how are you going to crack the whip if you're— mean, how are you going to crack the whip if you're if— mean, how are you going to crack the whip if you're if you're at benea— the whip if you're if you're at nenee webb— the whip if you're if you're at home? well, this— the whip if you're if you're at home? well, this it. it's home? well, this is it. it's abnesb— home? well, this is it. it's almost-nobody- home? well, this is it. it's almost nobody wants to do almost like nobody wants to do any— almost like nobody wants to do any nann— almost like nobody wants to do any work. basically any work. leo that's basically it, any work. leo that's basically balm— any work. leo that's basically bb-be be— any work. leo that's basically bb-be be ene— any work. leo that's basically it, it? no one wants to it, isn't it? no one wants to wean. — it, isn't it? no one wants to wean. be— it, isn't it? no one wants to wean. be ene— it, isn't it? no one wants to work. no one wants to go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we one wants to go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went /ants to go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went to ts to go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went to the) go to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went to the we» to it, isn't it? no one wants to work. we went to the we had the pandemic— work. we went to the we had the pandemic where— work. we went to the we had the pandemic where we— work. we went to the we had the pandemic where we basically sat bann— pandemic where we basically sat down. ane— pandemic where we basically sat down. the government gave us free— down. the government gave us free money— down. the government gave us free money subsequently free money and they subsequently

banned— free money and they subsequently banbebs— free money and they subsequently tankeis happening— free money and they subsequently tankeis happening all around the what is happening all around the wane.— what is happening all around the wane. banks— what is happening all around the world. banks are— what is happening all around the world. banks are collapsing. we ban-b— world. banks are collapsing. we bane-babb— world. banks are collapsing. we ban-b-babb-b- don't really talk about it bease— don't really talk about it because-a- don't really talk about it- because-a.depressing. because it's a bit depressing. so because it's a bit depressing. se—sbs- because it's a bit depressing. se—sbs ab- because it's a bit depressing.| so_sits at home so everyone just sits at home ana— so everyone just sits at home and-bees— so everyone just sits at home and-does-anl and basically does about an bean-s— and basically does about an hour's-before- and basically does about an. hour's-before-playing hour's work before just playing sebbabne—b- solitaire. and we've seen i ane— solitaire. and we've seen i mean, the statistics came out snowing— mean, the statistics came out snenbne anab— mean, the statistics came out showing that a— mean, the statistics came out showing that a huge number of beebbe— showing that a huge number of beebbe ae— showing that a huge number of beebbe new— showing that a huge number of people are now sickness people are now claiming sickness benefit— people are now claiming sickness benefit-gang— people are now claiming sickness benefit-going-sick- benefit and going on the sick bease— benefit and going on the sick because—yea- benefit and going on the sick because—you can benefit and going on the sick. because—you can do because i mean, you you can do it because i mean, you you can do is none— because i mean, you you can do is easin— because i mean, you you can do it more easily now— because i mean, you you can do it more easily now and getting signed— it more easily now and getting signed-se— it more easily now and getting sbaneaise aney— it more easily now and getting signed so they can still signed off so they can still enjoy— signed off so they can still enjoy-furlough- signed off so they can still enjoy furlough lifestyle of enjoy that furlough lifestyle of sitting— enjoy that furlough lifestyle of sbbnelbne — enjoy that furlough lifestyle of sitting .the - and - sitting on the couch and banning— watching netflix. yeah, exactly. so watching netflix. yeah, exactly. sea—nnat- watching netflix. yeah, exactly. se—nnab thei so why would you do what the anne— so why would you do what the tning-ben— so why would you do what the tning-bben ny— so why would you do what the thing blew my mind is there thing that blew my mind is there was thing that blew my mind is there beans— thing that blew my mind is there beans ef— thing that blew my mind is there was loads of stories about beepe— was loads of stories about beebbe. yea— was loads of stories about people, you know, when the pandemic— people, you know, when the- pandemic—started pandemic happened, they started bang—wens- doing their job. they went wean.— doing their job. they went aebaabbyls— doing their job. they went actually, is really easy. actually, this is really easy. ana— actually, this is really easy. and anen— actually, this is really easy. and then they— actually, this is really easy. and then they another job at and then they got another job at the and then they got another job at be same— and then they got another job at the same level.— and then they got another job at the same level. so— and then they got another job at the same level. so they were effectiven— the same level. so they were effectively doubling their income - didn't. effectively doubling their income didn't tell income and they didn't tell anyne— income and they didn't tell anyenelse— income and they didn't tell anyone so working income and they didn't tell- anyoneiso-working from anyone. so they're working from name— anyone. so they're working from home-more than- anyone. so they're working from home more than one job. home and like more than one job. bean.— home and like more than one job. bean-smasnbne— home and like more than one job. yeah.-smashing it.- home and like more than one job. yeah. smashing it. the only yeah. and smashing it. the only bnebben—yea- yeah. and smashing it. the only bnebben—yea naa| yeah. and smashing it. the only. problem _you had to problem came is when you had to in fan— problem came is when you had to in fan a— problem came is when you had to come in for a meeting and you baa— come in for a meeting and you naalbnbnb— come in for a meeting and you naalbnbnb ef— come in for a meeting and you had .think of an— come in for a meeting and you had think of an excuse why had to think of an excuse why you— had to think of an excuse why you seaban-b— had to think of an excuse why you couldn't come in. i wonder if .— you couldn't come in. i wonder if . seabe— you couldn't come in. i wonder if i could host— you couldn't come in. i wonder if i could host eurovision and do if i could host eurovision and ebb-ane— if i could host eurovision and ae-bne sane- if i could host eurovision and do the same time. this do this at the same time. this is senebnbng— do this at the same time. this is something-me- do this at the same time. this is something me to wouldn't is something for me to wouldn't nave— is something for me to wouldn't have _outfits. - is something for me to wouldn't have _outfits. yeah.l have to change outfits. yeah. anyway— have to change outfits. yeah. anyway swu— have to change outfits. yeah. anyway still to _ have to change outfits. yeah.

anyway still to on free anyway still to come on free speech nation. have prisons gone wan— speech nation. have prisons gone way before— speech nation. have prisons gone walk before that,— bans" have prisons gone walk before that, though? i'll be beating— walk before that, though? i'll be treating you— walk before that, though? i'll be treating you to my take on wnene— be treating you to my take on wnene we— be treating you to my take on where we should— be treating you to my take on where we should be. housing bbbeeab—yea- where we should be. housing bbbeeab—yea bn| where we should be. housingi illegal—you in a illegal migrants. see you in a few— illegal migrants. see you in a few-.—

years ago now, this experience bye— years ago now, this experience we beannea— years ago now, this experience we earned an— years ago now, this experience i've learned of turning it aneana— i've learned of turning it around over time is actually beebbe— around over time is actually beebbe sane— around over time is actually people care more about my aebens— people care more about my aebens ana— people care more about my actions and the— people care more about my actions and the man i am today aban— actions and the man i am today enan wnae— actions and the man i am today enan wnae .— actions and the man i am today than what i did— actions and the man i am today than what | did 15,— actions and the man i am today than what i did 15, 20 years age. — than what i did 15, 20 years age. bee— than what i did 15, 20 years ago. life across— than what i did 15, 20 years ago. life across the uk . ago. life across the uk. |webeenne— ago. life across the uk. . welcome back- ago. life across the uk. l welcome back to - ago. life across the uk.i . welcome back to free ago. life across the uk. welcome back to free speech nation. with kearse. now nation. with me, leo kearse. now bnbabn— nation. with me, leo kearse. now britain-wrestling- nation. with me, leo kearse. now britain _wrestling with. britain has been wrestling with the britain has been wrestling with tne-ef— britain has been wrestling with bne-ef snabb— britain has been wrestling with the-of small boat- the issue of small boat eessbnsg— the issue of small boat crossings for- the issue of small boat crossings for years i've crossings for years now. i've get— crossings for years now. i've get bne — crossings for years now. i've got the perfect— crossings for years now. i've got the perfect solution. if wsnb-s— got the perfect solution. if wsnb-s-bne— got the perfect solution. if rishi's the balls to do it. rishi's got the balls to do it. cross—channel— rishi's got the balls to do it. cross—channel migration needs to be saebbea. — cross—channel migration needs to be saebbea. b-s— cross—channel migration needs to be stopped. it's dangerous for the be stopped. it's dangerous for we beebbe— be stopped. it's dangerous for the people doing— be stopped. it's dangerous for the people doing it. it funds ennbnab— the people doing it. it funds criminal gangs— the people doing it. it funds criminal gangs and adds to criminal gangs and it adds to the migration— criminal gangs and it adds to the migration burden. with net nbenaben— the migration burden. with net nbgnaben set— the migration burden. with net migration set to— the migration burden. with net migration set to top a million aa— migration set to top a million tnbs yean— migration set to top a million tnbs yean .— migration set to top a million this year, i don't— migration set to top a million this year, i don't know where beebbe— this year, i don't know where beebbe ae— this year, i don't know where beebbe going— this year, i don't know where people are going to park. people are-are generous- people are going to park. people are are generous asylum are gaming are generous asylum system— are gaming are generous asylum sysbenleene— are gaming are generous asylum sysbenleene-sbay- are gaming are generous asylum. system .come-stay-and system to come and stay here and jumping— system to come and stay here and twnbbng-aaeae— system to come and stay here and twnbbng-aaeae bn— system to come and stay here and jumping queue in front jumping the queue in front of beebbe— jumping the queue in front of beebbe-febbew— jumping the queue in front of people follow rules and people who follow the rules and many— people who follow the rules and nnananey-— people who follow the rules and

many are culturally many of them are culturally distant— many of them are culturally distant with _ many of them are culturally distant with attitudes to women . bante— distant with attitudes to women . bebbe beebbe— distant with attitudes to women , lgbtq people and religion that den-b— , lgbtq people and religion that aen-b nesn— , lgbtq people and religion that don't mesh with— , lgbtq people and religion that don't mesh with a— , lgbtq people and religion that don't mesh with a western bbenab— don't mesh with a western liberal democracy. so we see grooming— liberal democracy. so we see gneenbng gangs— liberal democracy. so we see grooming gangs and de facto bbasbneny— grooming gangs and de facto blasphemy laws. the manchester arena— blasphemy laws. the manchester arena benben— blasphemy laws. the manchester arena bomber was— blasphemy laws. the manchester arena bomber was rescued from bbbya— arena bomber was rescued from bbbya by— arena bomber was rescued from bbbya by ane— arena bomber was rescued from libya by the royal— arena bomber was rescued from libya by the royal navy. the bwenbeeb— libya by the royal navy. the liverpool maternity hospital benben— liverpool maternity hospital benbenwas— liverpool maternity hospital bomber was an— liverpool maternity hospital bomber was an asylum seeker wnbbe— bomber was an asylum seeker wnbbe nest— bomber was an asylum seeker while most illegal migrants are just while most illegal migrants are twsb neawban— while most illegal migrants are just regular men— while most illegal migrants are just regular men looking for a beaten— just regular men looking for a better we.— just regular men looking for a better life, you— just regular men looking for a better life, you don't need many baa— better life, you don't need many bad enes— better life, you don't need many bad te— better life, you don't need many bad ones to have— better life, you don't need many bad ones to have a— better life, you don't need many bad ones to have a big problem. ana— bad ones to have a big problem. and fen— bad ones to have a big problem. and fen abb— bad ones to have a big problem. and for all the— bad ones to have a big problem. and for all the talk— bad ones to have a big problem. and for all the talk of seeking asyban— and for all the talk of seeking asylum, cross—channel migrants anen-b— asylum, cross—channel migrants anen-bfbeebng— asylum, cross—channel migrants aren't fleeing war. _ asylum, cross—channel migrants aren't fleeing war. they're fleeing— aren't fleeing war. they're fleeing france.— aren't fleeing war. they're fleeing france. france isn't benea— fleeing france. france isn't perfect. there's— fleeing france. france isn't perfect. there's snooty customer seawee— perfect. there's snooty customer senwee .— perfect. there's snooty customer senwee . aeg— perfect. there's snooty customer senwee . beg bee— perfect. there's snooty customer service , dog poo on— perfect. there's snooty customer service , dog poo on the pavement service, dog poo on the pavement ana— service, dog poo on the pavement and benbbbe— service, dog poo on the pavement and terrible rock— service, dog poo on the pavement and terrible rock music. but bs— and terrible rock music. but its net— and terrible rock music. but its net a— and terrible rock music. but it's not a war— and terrible rock music. but it's not a war torn hellhole. so though— it's not a war torn hellhole. so even though it's— it's not a war torn hellhole. so even though it's difficult and wnbbeasant— even though it's difficult and unpleasant to— even though it's difficult and unpleasant to do , the issue does unpleasant to do, the issue does need— unpleasant to do, the issue does need be— unpleasant to do, the issue does need be be— unpleasant to do, the issue does need to be tackled.— unpleasant to do, the issue does need to be tackled. the rwanda aban— need to be tackled. the rwanda bban aaaenbbs— need to be tackled. the rwanda plan attempts to _ need to be tackled. the rwanda plan attempts to do this. a sbnbban— plan attempts to do this. a similar plan— plan attempts to do this. a similar plan successfully neaaeea— similar plan successfully reduced illegal boats to zero in aasbaba— reduced illegal boats to zero in australia. but— reduced illegal boats to zero in australia. but some people have taken— australia. but some people have taken me— australia. but some people have taken the opportunity to virtue sbgnab— taken the opportunity to virtue sbgnab saybng— taken the opportunity to virtue sbgnab saybng we— taken the opportunity to virtue signal, saying we should have eben— signal, saying we should have eben benbens— signal, saying we should have open borders. the archbishop of cantenbany— open borders. the archbishop of canaenbwy says— open borders. the archbishop of canterbury says it's morally unacceptable _ canterbury says it's morally unacceptable .— canterbury says it's morally unacceptable . the unelected king

unacceptable. the unelected king cnanes— unacceptable. the unelected king charles called— unacceptable. the unelected king charles called the— unacceptable. the unelected king charles called the plan appalling- _ charles called the plan appalling. thousands of pious gaanan— appalling. thousands of pious guardian reading lefties make the guardian reading lefties make bne sane— guardian reading lefties make the same. sankt_ guardian reading lefties make the same. sankt ammonius pronouncements on twitter every day. — pronouncements on twitter every day. bab— pronouncements on twitter every way. but tnese— pronouncements on twitter every day. but these people are free ben— day. but these people are free been me— day. but these people are free from the consequences of illegal nbgnaben. — from the consequences of illegal nbgnaben. king— from the consequences of illegal migration. king charles is surrounded— migration. king charles is surrounded by— migration. king charles is surrounded by armed men and beesn-b— surrounded by armed men and beesnb neea— surrounded by armed men and doesn't need to— surrounded by armed men and doesn't need to worry about bease— doesn't need to worry about newse bnees— doesn't need to worry about house prices or— doesn't need to worry about house prices or getting a beaten-s— house prices or getting a doctor's appointment . justin doctor's appointment. justin webby— doctor's appointment. justin welby resides— doctor's appointment. justin welby resides at lambeth palace, wnben— welby resides at lambeth palace, wnben nas— welby resides at lambeth palace, wnben nas high— welby resides at lambeth palace, which has high walls and tight security — which has high walls and tight security. middle— which has high walls and tight security. middle class guardian nneaeas— security. middle class guardian nneaeas bye— security. middle class guardian readers live in— security. middle class guardian readers live in leafy suburbs far removed— readers live in leafy suburbs far removed from the deprived eennanby— far removed from the deprived community edges where migrants are community edges where migrants neasea. — community edges where migrants are housed. yesterday, historians— are housed. yesterday, historians ,— are housed. yesterday, historians , including the great historians, including the great al historians, including the great ab aaanay— historians, including the great al murray, signed a letter saybne— al murray, signed a letter saybng aa— al murray, signed a letter saying that refugees shouldn't be neasea— saying that refugees shouldn't be neasea a— saying that refugees shouldn't be housed at raaf scampton , home be housed at raaf scampton, home of be housed at raaf scampton, home ee ane— be housed at raaf scampton, home of the dambusters. _ be housed at raaf scampton, home of the dambusters. they say abb— of the dambusters. they say b-bb be— of the dambusters. they say it'll be damaging to the antebe— it'll be damaging to the airfield. i'm— it'll be damaging to the airfield. i'm sorry, but if bbenabne— airfield. i'm sorry, but if plonking hundreds of illegal migrants— plonking hundreds of illegal nbgnants en— plonking hundreds of illegal migrants on a— plonking hundreds of illegal migrants on a concrete military faebbby— migrants on a concrete military facility damages— migrants on a concrete military facility damages it. what do you tnbnb— facility damages it. what do you an nabbens— facility damages it. what do you think happens to— facility damages it. what do you think happens to britain's sbeeby— think happens to britain's sbeeby aewns— think happens to britain's sleepy towns and villages when anew— sleepy towns and villages when their population— sleepy towns and villages when their population is tripled ewennbgnt— their population is tripled overnight with hundreds of banana— overnight with hundreds of banana age— overnight with hundreds of fighting age men from culturally distant— fighting age men from culturally distant lands— fighting age men from culturally distant lands in— fighting age men from culturally distant lands in britain, you can-t—

distant lands in britain, you cant babe— distant lands in britain, you can't build a— distant lands in britain, you can't build a shed in your garden— can't build a shed in your garden without- can't build a shed in your garden without spending months getting— garden without spending months geabng bbannbne— garden without spending months getting planning permission and eensenb— getting planning permission and eensenb ben— getting planning permission and consent from the— getting planning permission and consent from the neighbours. but if consent from the neighbours. but a we— consent from the neighbours. but if the government— consent from the neighbours. but if the government can move 1500 asyban— if the government can move 1500 asybwn seeeas— if the government can move 1500 asylum seekers into— if the government can move 1500 asylum seekers into lynton or wews— asylum seekers into lynton or news without— asylum seekers into lynton or news without checking on anyone, it's news without checking on anyone, as nuts. — news without checking on anyone, as nuts. se— news without checking on anyone, as nuts. se in— news without checking on anyone, it's nuts. so i'm proposing tnis— it's nuts. so i'm proposing tnbs. we— it's nuts. so i'm proposing this. we have— it's nuts. so i'm proposing this. we have the technology e-9-_ this. we have the technology e-g- wsbne— this. we have the technology e.g. using experian to identify beebbe-s— e.g. using experian to identify people's political opinions right— people's political opinions ngna newn— people's political opinions right down to— people's political opinions right down to the household beweb. — right down to the household beweb. se— right down to the household level. so let's— right down to the household level. so let's house cross—channel migrants in the eennanbbes— cross—channel migrants in the communities that— cross—channel migrants in the communities that ask for them . communities that ask for them. absnb— communities that ask for them. absnb sneaba— communities that ask for them. rishi should get— communities that ask for them. rishi should get should set up the portacabins_ rishi should get should set up the portacabins in leafy , the portacabins in leafy, well—heeled— the portacabins in leafy, well—heeled boroughs next to banne— well—heeled boroughs next to bawbee sbbbbng— well—heeled boroughs next to lattice sipping corbynistas. the wine— lattice sipping corbynistas. the prime minister— lattice sipping corbynistas. the prime minister should commandeer cbanenee— prime minister should commandeer cbanenee wease— prime minister should commandeer clarence house and— prime minister should commandeer clarence house and lambeth babaee— clarence house and lambeth babaee ana— clarence house and lambeth palace and place 100 undocumented migrants in each beb— undocumented migrants in each bet tne— undocumented migrants in each one. let the chattering classes twe— one. let the chattering classes we wttn— one. let the chattering classes we wttn tne — one. let the chattering classes live with the consequences of wet— live with the consequences of their opinions— live with the consequences of their opinions when they do, bennabs— their opinions when they do, bennabs tney-tt— their opinions when they do, perhaps they'll agree something aetaatty— perhaps they'll agree something aetaatty tees— perhaps they'll agree something actually does need to be done . actually does need to be done. all actually does need to be done. att et— actually does need to be done. att et tnat— actually does need to be done. all of that, of— actually does need to be done. all of that, of course, is my ebtnten— all of that, of course, is my ebtnten .— all of that, of course, is my ebtnten . ant— all of that, of course, is my opinion . and you're free to

opinion. and you're free to ttsagnee— opinion. and you're free to disagree with— opinion. and you're free to disagree with me. let's bring in my disagree with me. let's bring in nny banet— disagree with me. let's bring in nny banet ant— disagree with me. let's bring in nny banet and get— disagree with me. let's bring in my panel and get their thoughts nant. — my panel and get their thoughts nant. se— my panel and get their thoughts nant. se nee-s— my panel and get their thoughts right. so here's the thing. i tntnt— right. so here's the thing. i tntnt tt— right. so here's the thing. i tntnt t we— right. so here's the thing. i think if we are— right. so here's the thing. i think if we are actually going to discourage— think if we are actually going to discourage people from coming to discourage people from coming te tnts— to discourage people from coming te tnts eeantny— to discourage people from coming to this country, what we do is we get— to this country, what we do is we get tnen— to this country, what we do is we get them and— to this country, what we do is we get them and then we plonk tnen — we get them and then we plonk tnen tn— we get them and then we plonk them in croydon,_ we get them and then we plonk them in croydon, mate. they'll tast— them in croydon, mate. they'll inst wate— them in croydon, mate. they'll inst wate an— them in croydon, mate. they'll just wake up, they'll look ana— just wake up, they'll look around and— just wake up, they'll look around and they'll be like , can around and they'll be like, can we-90_ around and they'll be like, can we-ge bast— around and they'll be like, can we-ge baet te- around and they'll be like, can we go back to war? torn we please go back to war? torn synae— we please go back to war? torn synae wett— we please go back to war? torn syria? well, do _ we please go back to war? torn syria? well, do you— we please go back to war? torn syria? well, do you think i tnts— syria? well, do you think i mean, this this— syria? well, do you think i mean, this this is a serious , a mean, this this is a serious, a bent.— mean, this this is a serious, a serious point. do— mean, this this is a serious, a serious point. do you think beebte— serious point. do you think- beebte—bennabs people have, you know, perhaps tnen— people have, you know, perhaps tnen watentng— people have, you know, perhaps from watching television shows or , from watching television shows en-. wwgn— from watching television shows en-. wwgn enant- from watching television shows or , hugh grant films, or films, hugh grant films, tney-we— or films, hugh grant films, tney-we get— or films, hugh grant films, tney-we get an— or films, hugh grant films, they've got an unrealistic expectation _ they've got an unrealistic expectation of— they've got an unrealistic expectation of how nice britain aetwatty— expectation of how nice britain aetwatty ts. — expectation of how nice britain actually is. yeah,— expectation of how nice britain actually is. yeah, exactly. we iwst— actually is. yeah, exactly. we twst bet-s— actually is. yeah, exactly. we twst bet-s twst— actually is. yeah, exactly. we just let's just take them on a gated— just let's just take them on a gwttet tewn— just let's just take them on a guided tour of— just let's just take them on a guided tour of the north. that wewtt— guided tour of the north. that would discourage them. they went— would discourage them. they went want— would discourage them. they won't want to _ would discourage them. they won't want to live there. come say— won't want to live there. come say tnat— won't want to live there. come say tnat .— won't want to live there. come on, say that . why— won't want to live there. come on, say that . why have you gone on, say that. why have you gone sttente— on, say that. why have you gone sttente tew— on, say that. why have you gone silent? you know,— on, say that. why have you gone silent? you know, it's dreadful .-tt.— silent? you know, it's dreadful .-tt. tnts— silent? you know, it's dreadful .-tt. tnts ts— silent? you know, it's dreadful .-tt. tnts ts a- silent? you know, it's dreadful . it. this is a london . look at it. this is a london awttenee— . look at it. this is a london audience going,— . look at it. this is a london audience going, can i laugh? tewne— audience going, can i laugh? yew-e..— audience going, can i laugh? you're-. you're- audience going, can i laugh?. you're-. you're-going you're fine. you're never going to you're fine. you're never going te-wentn— you're fine. you're never going te-wentn nan- you're fine. you're never going to-north, man up. you're fine. you're never going to-north, man up .i you're fine. you're never going. to-north, man up. i'm to go to the north, man up. i'm going— to go to the north, man up. i'm getng te— to go to the north, man up. i'm getng te ge— to go to the north, man up. i'm getng te ge te— to go to the north, man up. i'm getng te ge te tne— to go to the north, man up. i'm going to go to the north. i mean, that's— going to go to the north. i mean, that's where i'm from. no ana— mean, that's where i'm from. no and was— mean, that's where i'm from. no and was wny— mean, that's where i'm from. no and that's why you _ mean, that's where i'm from. no and that's why you move down nene. — and that's why you move down nene. .— and that's why you move down nene. . .— and that's why you move down nene. . . ten-t— and that's why you move down here. i i don't know. when i

ttnst— here. i i don't know. when i first heard your proposals, i thought, well, that's fantastic , isn't it? let's put them in people's houses in islington. but i'm not sure about somebody imposing who you can have in your room. we've just had your front room. we've just had two that matt two years of that from matt hancock, and didn't think very hancock, and i didn't think very much it. also, if you're much of it. also, if you're coming from torn syria, i coming from war torn syria, i mean, you to be put in a mean, do you want to be put in a house with a guardian reader? i don't that could be quite don't know. that could be quite maybe do that and turn it into reality tv. i mean, that would be fascinating, it, to be fascinating, wouldn't it, to see values of those two sets see the values of those two sets of families being thrashed of families is being thrashed out? well, yeah, because mean, out? well, yeah, because i mean, seetng— out? well, yeah, because i mean, we're seeing-seeing- we're seeing we're seeing a etasn— clash already. already starting. i clash already. already starting. t—tne- clash already. already starting. t—tne tnene-si i mean, we've had the there's a gay— i mean, we've had the there's a gay people— i mean, we've had the there's a gay people in_ i mean, we've had the there's a gay people in reading attack sneetet— gay people in reading attack sneetetlby— gay people in reading attack shocked-by an— gay people in reading attack shocked by an islamist an and shocked by by an islamist an and in shocked by by an islamist an and tn betgtwn— shocked by by an islamist an and tn betgtwn tt-s— shocked by by an islamist an and in belgium it's an— shocked by by an islamist an and in belgium it's an unverified wttee— in belgium it's an unverified wttee bwt— in belgium it's an unverified wttee bwt tt— in belgium it's an unverified video but it appears to show tstantsts— video but it appears to show islamists shutting down an lgbtq stand— islamists shutting down an lgbtq stand at— islamists shutting down an lgbtq stand at a— islamists shutting down an lgbtq stand at a university. i mean tnts— stand at a university. i mean we tnts— stand at a university. i mean this this could— stand at a university. i mean this this could be the clash in tne— this this could be the clash in tbe twtwne— this this could be the clash in the future. as— this this could be the clash in the future. as you _ this this could be the clash in the future. as you know, lgbtq gnews— the future. as you know, lgbtq gnews ana— the future. as you know, lgbtq gnews ant abse— the future. as you know, lgbtq grows and also more traditional eensenwattwe— grows and also more traditional conservative islamism grows in the conservative islamism grows in tbe wt.— conservative islamism grows in tbe wt. t— conservative islamism grows in tbe wt. t nnean— conservative islamism grows in the uk. i mean, those those two eennwntttes— the uk. i mean, those those two communities aren't—

the uk. i mean, those those two communities aren't always going to communities aren't always going te be— communities aren't always going te be attest.— communities aren't always going to be allied. no,— communities aren't always going to be allied. no, they're not. tnteea— to be allied. no, they're not. tnteea. ant— to be allied. no, they're not. indeed. and look, the reality is, indeed. and look, the reality ts. ts— indeed. and look, the reality ts. ts tnts— indeed. and look, the reality is, is this is— indeed. and look, the reality is, is this is what— indeed. and look, the reality is, is this is what happens when you— is, is this is what happens when yew ete— is, is this is what happens when yew be net— is, is this is what happens when you do not have— is, is this is what happens when you do not have a— is, is this is what happens when you do not have a coherent bettey— you do not have a coherent bettey en— you do not have a coherent policy on immigration, on where it policy on immigration, on where tt nas— policy on immigration, on where tt nas been— policy on immigration, on where it has been fudged for years . it it has been fudged for years. it nas— it has been fudged for years. it nas-egwatea— it has been fudged for years. it has-equated and- it has been fudged for years. it has equated and conflated has been equated and conflated wttn— has been equated and conflated wttn — has been equated and conflated with racism so— has been equated and conflated with racism so that we can't aetwatty— with racism so that we can't actually have— with racism so that we can't actually have a— with racism so that we can't actually have a sane and nattenat— actually have a sane and rational debate about how many beebte— rational debate about how many beebte we— rational debate about how many people we should— rational debate about how many people we should let in into tnts— people we should let in into tnts eewntny— people we should let in into this country, because the neattty— this country, because the neattty ts— this country, because the reality is we— this country, because the reality is we do need immigration. we also have a duty to immigration. we also have a duty te aeeebt— immigration. we also have a duty te accept a— immigration. we also have a duty to accept a certain— immigration. we also have a duty to accept a certain number of netwgees— to accept a certain number of netwgees. bwt— to accept a certain number of refugees. but what we can't have is refugees. but what we can't have ts beebte— refugees. but what we can't have ts beebte eentng— refugees. but what we can't have is people coming here illegally and is people coming here illegally ant ws— is people coming here illegally ant ws net— is people coming here illegally and us not knowing how many of tnese— and us not knowing how many of tnese beebte— and us not knowing how many of these people are— and us not knowing how many of these people are coming into the eewntny— these people are coming into the eewntny. wean.— these people are coming into the country. yeah, but— these people are coming into the country. yeah, but when you see, you— country. yeah, but when you see, yew anew.— country. yeah, but when you see, yew anew-need— country. yeah, but when you see, you know, need immigration, you know, we need immigration, is you know, we need immigration, ts-tnat— you know, we need immigration, is-that because- you know, we need immigration, is that because we're is that is that because we're taetng— is that is that because we're taetng a— is that is that because we're facing a demographic cliff, gm..— facing a demographic cliff, because people aren't having entttnene— children? yeah. is because we're taetng— children? yeah. is because we're facing-wouldn't- children? yeah. is because we're facing. wouldn't people facing. and then wouldn't people nave—sewa- have children if they could attent— have children if they could attend-ves- have children if they could afford _yes that. have children if they could- afford _yes that would afford a house? yes that would be tnat— afford a house? yes that would be that would— afford a house? yes that would be that would .a _ afford a house? yes that would be that would a idea. be that would be a good idea. they— be that would be a good idea. t hey—a— be that would be a good idea. tney—a bewse- they can't afford a house bease— they can't afford a house because people they can't afford a house. because-people are because so many people are eentng— because so many people are eentng tnte— because so many people are coming into the— because so many people are coming into the country and tnene-s— coming into the country and tnene-s-a— coming into the country and there's-a certain- coming into the country and there's a certain mean, there's only a certain i mean, tts— there's only a certain i mean, tt-s net— there's only a certain i mean, tt-s net atte— there's only a certain i mean, it's not like people are bntngtng— it's not like people are bringing house bringing a semi—detached house to bringing a semi—detached house te—tn— bringing a semi—detached house te—tn tne— bringing a semi—detached house to_in the boat,- bringing a semi—detached house to_in the boat, but. to come across in the boat, but tt-s— to come across in the boat, but tt-s weny— to come across in the boat, but tt-s weny batt— to come across in the boat, but it's very bad-the— to come across in the boat, but it's very bad the flotation it's very bad for the flotation abtttty— it's very bad for the flotation abtttty te— it's very bad for the flotation abtttty te be— it's very bad for the flotation ability to be honest with you,

tnat-s—tne - ability to be honest with you,. that's—the problem. that's only part of the problem. tne— that's only part of the problem. tne-ts— that's only part of the problem. tne-ts ts— that's only part of the problem. the-is, is that- that's only part of the problem. the-is, is that in- that's only part of the problem. the is, is that in the the reality is, is that in the ses— the reality is, is that in the ees-tne— the reality is, is that in the 80s-the early- the reality is, is that in the 80s the early 90s, thatcher 80s and the early 90s, thatcher sett— 80s and the early 90s, thatcher sent-tne— 80s and the early 90s, thatcher sold .the housing _ 80s and the early 90s, thatcher sold the housing stock sold off the housing stock cewnett.— sold off the housing stock council,-stock- sold off the housing stock council, stock and council, housing stock and successive governments have eenbtetety— successive governments have completely failed to replace it, wnten— completely failed to replace it, wnten means— completely failed to replace it, which means we've got which means that we've got a newstng. — which means that we've got a newstng. tne— which means that we've got a housing. the houses didn't etsabbean.— housing. the houses didn't etsabbean. t— housing. the houses didn't disappear. i mean, the houses are disappear. i mean, the houses ane-tnene.— disappear. i mean, the houses ane-tnene. se— disappear. i mean, the houses are-there. so what- disappear. i mean, the houses are there. so what we've are still there. so what we've got— are still there. so what we've get a— are still there. so what we've get a bnebten— are still there. so what we've got a problem is— are still there. so what we've got a problem is a lack of supply— got a problem is a lack of swbbty tn— got a problem is a lack of supply in the_ got a problem is a lack of supply in the market. and ebwtewsty— supply in the market. and- obviously—nimbyism supply in the market. and- obviously_nimbyism , obviously because of nimbyism, you obviously because of nimbyism, yew—tnen- obviously because of nimbyism, yew—tnene ane- you know, there's there are eenstnatnts— you know, there's there are constraints on _ you know, there's there are constraints on planning benntssten.— constraints on planning permission. there are constraints- permission. there are constraints many constraints on building too many new houses. but— constraints on building too many new houses. but wouldn't a stabbe— new houses. but wouldn't a stable population be more i mean . sabb— stable population be more i mean . eat me— stable population be more i mean . eat me eta— stable population be more i mean , call me old fashioned, but i tntnt— , call me old fashioned, but i tntnt tne— , call me old fashioned, but i think the main— , call me old fashioned, but i think the main route of ntgnatten— think the main route of migration into the uk should be tnnewgn— migration into the uk should be through women's— migration into the uk should be through women's birth canals. teet— through women's birth canals. beet tn— through women's birth canals. beet t-n tn— through women's birth canals. look i'm in agreement with you, but look i'm in agreement with you, bwt tne— look i'm in agreement with you, bwt tne abse— look i'm in agreement with you, but the also the— look i'm in agreement with you, but the also the problem is, is tnat— but the also the problem is, is tnat we— but the also the problem is, is tnat we twst— but the also the problem is, is that we just simply haven't been bwttttng— that we just simply haven't been building housing— that we just simply haven't been building housing in any shape or tenn— building housing in any shape or tenn ten— building housing in any shape or tenn ten wnat— building housing in any shape or form for what we _ building housing in any shape or form for what we need in this eewntny— form for what we need in this eewntny. wnten— form for what we need in this country, which is— form for what we need in this country, which is also part of tne— country, which is also part of tbe nebten— country, which is also part of the problem. but— country, which is also part of the problem. but nobody is going to the problem. but nobody is going te want— the problem. but nobody is going te want te— the problem. but nobody is going to want to address— the problem. but nobody is going to want to address that because if to want to address that because tt yew— to want to address that because tt yew tntnt— to want to address that because if you think about— to want to address that because if you think about it, what is tne— if you think about it, what is be nbe— if you think about it, what is the number one— if you think about it, what is the number one asset that people nave— the number one asset that people nave tn— the number one asset that people nave tn tnts— the number one asset that people have in this country? it's their bnebenty. — have in this country? it's their bnebenty. _te- have in this country? it's their neaenty—te sayl property. i was going to say tenemen— property. i was going to say pokemon,-and- property. i was going to say pokemon, and are you really

property. i was going to say pokento i, and are you really property. i was going to say pokento say and are you really property. i was going to say pokento say to nd are you really property. i was going to say pokento say to theare you really property. i was going to say pokento say to the people really property. i was going to say pokento say to the people thaty going to say to the people that are going to say to the people that aneen-t— going to say to the people that aneen-t yew.— going to say to the people that are for you, namely are voting for you, namely the beebte— are voting for you, namely the beebte wbe— are voting for you, namely the people who _who - are voting for you, namely the people who who are the people who vote, who are the beebte— people who vote, who are the beebte-ane — people who vote, who are the people - are older- people who vote, who are the people are older in years, people who are older in years, wbe—bnebenty- who are actually property nettens— who are actually property. holders,_going who are actually property- holders,_going to holders, that you are going to tewatwe — holders, that you are going to tewatwe -ene— holders, that you are going to devalue one main asset? devalue their one main asset? tt-s— devalue their one main asset? tt-s net— devalue their one main asset? tt-s net nwen— devalue their one main asset? it's not much of— devalue their one main asset? it's not much of a— devalue their one main asset? it's not much of a winning ttetet— it's not much of a winning ttetet at— it's not much of a winning ticket at the— it's not much of a winning ticket at the polls. yeah, but cnnts— ticket at the polls. yeah, but cnntslnean— ticket at the polls. yeah, but chris, mean, thing that chris, i mean, one thing that wenntes-ts— chris, i mean, one thing that worries-is racism - chris, i mean, one thing that worries is racism and the worries me is racism and the ntse— worries me is racism and the et— worries me is racism and the et tne— worries me is racism and the et tne tan— worries me is racism and the rise of the far right, by which i rise of the far right, by which t ean— rise of the far right, by which t tne— rise of the far right, by which i mean the actual genuine , the i mean the actual genuine, the neat— i mean the actual genuine, the neat tan— i mean the actual genuine, the neat tan ntgbt— i mean the actual genuine, the real far right, which which eewtt—getngl real far right, which whichi could—going to real far right, which which- could_going to be could i mean, it's going to be exaeenbatea— could i mean, it's going to be exacerbated if— could i mean, it's going to be exacerbated if we— could i mean, it's going to be exacerbated if we have mean exacerbated if we have i mean the exacerbated if we have i mean tne net— exacerbated if we have i mean the net migration— exacerbated if we have i mean the net migration figures are bnetty— pretty shocking. it's over a over a million— pretty shocking. it's over a over a million this year. and tnts— over a million this year. and tntsltnts— over a million this year. and tntsltnts ts— over a million this year. and this-this is going- over a million this year. and this this is going to, you this is this is going to, you anew.— this is this is going to, you knew sttn— this is this is going to, you knew sttn wb— this is this is going to, you know, stir up resentment . right. know, stir up resentment. right. ant— know, stir up resentment. right. ana besstbty— know, stir up resentment. right. and possibly lead— know, stir up resentment. right. and possibly lead to more racism agatnst— and possibly lead to more racism agatnst. yew— and possibly lead to more racism against, you know,— and possibly lead to more racism against, you know, people who eantten— against, you know, people who came earlier and,— against, you know, people who came earlier and, you know, eenbtetety— came earlier and, you know, completely integrated and besstbty— completely integrated and possibly living here happily. it's possibly living here happily. tt-s a— possibly living here happily. tt-s a thwny— possibly living here happily. it's a luxury belief, isn't it, to it's a luxury belief, isn't it, te ten— it's a luxury belief, isn't it, te ten tne— it's a luxury belief, isn't it, to for the people that make tnese— to for the people that make these decisions— to for the people that make these decisions . these decisions. the people pushing the agenda don't have to live with the consequences. and if you ask people in the types of work that might be taken away, they'll have a different opinion. so yeah, it lead opinion. so yeah, it could lead to it could lead to some really

unpleasant scenes . and also as unpleasant scenes. and also as well, unpleasant scenes. and also as web. tne— unpleasant scenes. and also as web. tne beebte— unpleasant scenes. and also as well, the people talking- c. , and also as well, the people talking about tnese— well, the people talking about these policies— well, the people talking about these policies who are advocating _ these policies who are advocating open borders, they've got advocating open borders, they've get ntttewtews— advocating open borders, they've got ridiculous slogans which says— got ridiculous slogans which says ne— got ridiculous slogans which says no person— got ridiculous slogans which says no person is illegal, which bet-s— says no person is illegal, which bet-s be— says no person is illegal, which bet-s be tatn— says no person is illegal, which bet-s be tatn .— says no person is illegal, which let's be fair , is— says no person is illegal, which let's be fair , is something let's be fair, is something yettney— let's be fair, is something jeffrey epstein— let's be fair, is something jeffrey epstein would say . so it jeffrey epstein would say. so it twst— jeffrey epstein would say. so it twst teesn-t— jeffrey epstein would say. so it just doesn't even— jeffrey epstein would say. so it just doesn't even make sense on a tegteat— just doesn't even make sense on a tegteat basts— just doesn't even make sense on a logical basis. this— just doesn't even make sense on a logical basis. this brilliant . ant— a logical basis. this brilliant . ana tnat-s— a logical basis. this brilliant . and that's the— a logical basis. this brilliant . and that's the thing. if you if . and that's the thing. if you tt yew— . and that's the thing. if you if you complain— . and that's the thing. if you if you complain about how tttegat— if you complain about how illegal migrants are treated or if illegal migrants are treated or tt yew— illegal migrants are treated or if you complain— illegal migrants are treated or if you complain about any effort to if you complain about any effort te eea— if you complain about any effort te eeet tne— if you complain about any effort to reduce the amount of illegal tnntgnatten— to reduce the amount of illegal tnntgnatten .— to reduce the amount of illegal immigration , you're basically immigration, you're basically saytng— immigration, you're basically saytng. wett— immigration, you're basically saying, well, we— immigration, you're basically saying, well, we should have eben— saying, well, we should have eben benetens— saying, well, we should have open borders because if you have any.— open borders because if you have any. wean— open borders because if you have any. wean tt— open borders because if you have any. wean tt yew— open borders because if you have any. yeah if you don't have if you— any. yeah if you don't have if yew eten-t— any. yeah if you don't have if you don't have— any. yeah if you don't have if you don't have complete unfettered— you don't have complete unfettered immigration, then it tnat— unfettered immigration, then it means that some— unfettered immigration, then it means that some are going unfettered immigration, then it m

wouldn't because they want to say, all ye open. it's a say, come all ye open. it's a kind idea. yeah, but it kind idea. yeah, yeah. but it gets up with these gets backed up with these economic debates and it's one of those things feels like the those things that feels like the right idea until you can see some of the ramifications of having unfettered immigration from from places that are deeply different cultural values to the uk . anyway, sorry to put you in uk. anyway, sorry to put you in a btt— uk. anyway, sorry to put you in a btt et— uk. anyway, sorry to put you in a btt et a— uk. anyway, sorry to put you in a bit of a downer— anyway, sorry to put you in a bit of a downer with that, but eentng— a bit of a downer with that, but eentng wb— a bit of a downer with that, but eentng was en— a bit of a downer with that, but coming up on free— a bit of a downer with that, but coming up on free speech nation, wett— coming up on free speech nation, we-tt be— coming up on free speech nation, we'll be talking— coming up on free speech nation, we'll be talking to— coming up on free speech nation, we'll be talking to former bntsenen— we'll be talking to former prisoner and— we'll be talking to former prisoner and founder of the enantty— prisoner and founder of the enantty bse— prisoner and founder of the charity user voice about the eeneet— charity user voice about the eenneet way— charity user voice about the correct way to _ charity user voice about the correct way to refer to bntsnes — correct way to refer to bnsenens .— correct way to refer to prisoners . apparently the word prisoners. apparently the word eenwtet— prisoners. apparently the word eenwtet ts— prisoners. apparently the word convict is offensive to them. so in convict is offensive to them. so tn a— convict is offensive to them. so tn a tew— convict is offensive to them. so in a few minutes— convict is offensive to them. so in a few minutes .—

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beaes t— burglary or a rape or prison leavers. i mean,— burglary or a rape or prison leavers. i mean, some staff have been— leavers. i mean, some staff have been bett— leavers. i mean, some staff have been left shaking— leavers. i mean, some staff have been left shaking their heads at attne— been left shaking their heads at attne wben— been left shaking their heads at a time when jails— been left shaking their heads at a time when jails are suffering tnen— a time when jails are suffering tnen neeenet— a time when jails are suffering from record overcrowding and tnen— from record overcrowding and their colleagues— from record overcrowding and their colleagues are leaving in tnewes— their colleagues are leaving in tnewes tnts— their colleagues are leaving in droves. this is— their colleagues are leaving in droves. this is going on. getntng— droves. this is going on. getntng ne— droves. this is going on. joining me to- droves. this is going on. joining me to discuss this is tennne— joining me to discuss this is former prisoner— joining me to discuss this is former prisoner and founder of the former prisoner and founder of tbe enantty— former prisoner and founder of the charity user— former prisoner and founder of the charity user voice and lived eneet— the charity user voice and lived eenet want— the charity user voice and lived expert mark johnson obe. mark, tnanbs— expert mark johnson obe. mark, tnanbs se— expert mark johnson obe. mark, thanks so much— expert mark johnson obe. mark, thanks so much forjoining us. webbe— thanks so much forjoining us. webbe ts— thanks so much forjoining us. webbe ts tt— thanks so much forjoining us. hello is it offensive to call an ex bntsenen— hello is it offensive to call an ex bntsenen an— hello is it offensive to call an ex prisoner an ex— hello is it offensive to call an ex prisoner an ex con man? well i ex prisoner an ex con man? well t tntnb— ex prisoner an ex con man? well t tntnb tne— ex prisoner an ex con man? well ttntnb tne nte— ex prisoner an ex con man? well i think the pr around this issue is i think the pr around this issue ts a— i think the pr around this issue ts a btt— i think the pr around this issue ts a btt et— i think the pr around this issue ts a btt et a— i think the pr around this issue is a bit of a car— i think the pr around this issue is a bit of a car crash. um, tnen— is a bit of a car crash. um, tnen tnen — is a bit of a car crash. um, from from the ministry of justice and the civil service. i think have got a really poor track record with sending very clear sort of purpose driven , clear sort of purpose driven, um, sort of bits of communications. i mean, the fundamental principle behind it is right and it's one that i've campaigned on probably for well, for a very long now , and for a very long time now, and thatis for a very long time now, and that is that when people get sentenced, serve their sentenced, they serve their sentenced, they serve their sentence in a prison or a

criminal justice order and post that sentence, they need , we that sentence, they need, we need to reintroduce them into society in a way that doesn't stigmatise them. so currently at 11 years old, if you commit an offence, that criminal conviction can stay with you for the rest of your life. so it's like a life sentence by installing agents through the stigma that's associated with it. um, when if you look at the history, not so much the prison service because don't actually think anybody is bothered about how what they get called because at the moment, um, 80% of british prisons are on 22 hours a day bang up . british prisons are on 22 hours a day bang up. now british prisons are on 22 hours a day bang up . now what that a day bang up. now what that really means is the un wrote a ruling through nelson mandela actually is incarceration and it said anything over 22 hours a day bang up was could be identified as torture . and identified as torture. and that's what we've got going on in british prisons. we've got these things they call 22 hours bang up just to just to clarify, that means 22 hours being locked

up. is that in solitary confinement- up. is that in solitary- confinement-confined to confinement or just confined to a eebb— confinement or just confined to a eebb e — confinement or just confined to a eebb e se— confinement or just confined to a cell ? so cells— confinement or just confined to a cell ? so cells are- confinement or just confined to a cell ? , 311i: 311i: a cell? so cells are are solitary confinement . that's solitary confinement. that's literally that's literally the current. so you you mentioned about staff leaving in their droves. uh, chris grayling started the rehabilitation revolution . and literally so revolution. and literally so many prison staff left at that point or got fired and they've never been able to recoup that level. the level of staffing from pre 2010. and so then when covid hit, they recruited loads more staff. but because the lockdown conditions were such so such a level of like 23.5 hour a day, bang up , such a level of like 23.5 hour a day, bang up, as soon as those restrictions got eased a little bit, all the staff left because they'd never been used to deaung they'd never been used to dealing with prisoners before. so i can tell the public via your show that they're being pred your show that they're being ripped off on a royal level because all the supply chains that are going into education

and therapeutic etcetera , they and therapeutic etcetera, they can't get access to prisoners because they're behind a door and the regime is such they call it restricted regime . um, and if it restricted regime. um, and if you imagine , like you said about you imagine, like you said about rapists and you know, and this is the, this is the sort of media top line of it that's that's not who we lock up predominantly. we do mean who we lock up are the, the, you know, drug addicts , mentally ill drug addicts, mentally ill neurodiverse , etcetera, neurodiverse, etcetera, predominantly. and all we're doing is neglecting them, you know , we're they call these know, we're they call these distraction packs colouring books and remedial like maths and english being shoved underneath the door without any teachers, without any teacher support . and then those people support. and then those people are coming out in our society literally unrehabilitated and we've paid the same amount of money as what we did when the staffing was at full regime . staffing was at full regime. yeah. this seems this seems it seems ridiculous to not rehabilitate people and if people are locked up for for, 22 hours a day, like you say, there

aren't the opportunities to, you know, even if there are classes , people going running , people going in running programs , they won't have that programs, they won't have that that access , that contact with that access, that contact with the to run those the prisoner to run those classes breaking that classes without breaking that link. you know, people are going to link. you know, people are going te ee— link. you know, people are going te ewt— link. you know, people are going to come out and— c you know, people are going to come out and re—offend again wttn— to come out and re—offend again we began— to come out and re—offend again we bwngbany en— to come out and re—offend again with burglary or whatever aegwtstttwe — with burglary or whatever acquisitive crime to feed a drug nabtt— acquisitive crime to feed a drug nabtt . — acquisitive crime to feed a drug nabtt. webb— acquisitive crime to feed a drug habit. well, for— acquisitive crime to feed a drug habit. well, for 4— acquisitive crime to feed a drug habit. well, for 4 in- acquisitive crime to feed a drug habit. �*ftt�*tzixc ,. " �*0 habit. well, for 4 in 10 people leaving british prisons today leave homeless . right. they're leave homeless. right. they're given tents to go into the community with the probation service who are supposed to be this body that literally works with prisoners , you know, with prisoners, you know, supporting them and planning for their release. there are 100% capacity that's what they say. what i know from basically people that are coming out of prison is that they're completely neglected. again, they're not even getting basic like , um, sort of appointments, like, um, sort of appointments, referrals to drug centres. i mean , under this government mean, under this government there , they've literally closed there, they've literally closed down about two thirds of all

drug rehabilitation centres in this country as well. so the services just aren't there . and services just aren't there. and i think, um , i think recently i think, um, i think recently dominic raab, who's no longer there and i'm very grateful for that. i've never really get political in my life, but um, what, what basically he was doing is fanning the flames around sensational and polarised views of like, everybody's a murderer in prison and then pinning the need to remove us from the european courts of human rights on the back of it. and that is literally getting politics meddling into sentence icing, which i think is really dangerous because the public is educated via the media. and i have to say, it's not an education in at all. i mean, it's just literally it doesn't work. it doesn't work like, um, it's literally you're going to be paying for it. they're proposal is 20,000 new prison places all of this neglect and we need to start to talk about what works regarding rehabilitation . we just we have rehabilitation. we just we have to do that and so if it means

yeah. so no, i was just going to say,— yeah. so no, i was just going to say. t— yeah. so no, i was just going to say. t nean— yeah. so no, i was just going to say, i mean, we've— so no, i was just going to say, i mean, we've got we've got to say, i mean, we've got we've got te wnab— say, i mean, we've got we've got te was t— say, i mean, we've got we've got te wnab tt wb— say, i mean, we've got we've got te wnab tt we seen— to wrap it up soon, unfortunately. but i mean, to wrap it up soon,— unfortunately. but i mean, what wewba— unfortunately. but i mean, what wewbet yew— unfortunately. but i mean, what wewbet yew say.— unfortunately. but i mean, what would you say, you know, bring it would you say, you know, bring tt—entgtnab- would you say, you know, bring it_original point. i it back to the original point. wnat— it back to the original point. wnat wewbt— it back to the original point. what would you _ it back to the original point. what would you say is the eenneet— what would you say is the correct term _ what would you say is the correct term to _ what would you say is the correct term to refer to former bnsenes— correct term to refer to former bnsenens wstng. — correct term to refer to former prisoners using. �*ftt�*tzixc �*ftt�*tzixc prisoners using. well. well, it's not that you can call me anything you want to , right? anything you want to, right? i don't care. but the key is, is about when i go for housing insurance. i've helped thousands of people got an and everything. but when i go for housing, housing, housing insurance, it says i've got a criminal conviction . right. and it was conviction. right. and it was over 30 years ago. i have to say. yes and have to pay a premium. that's higher than anybody else's. that's ridiculous. so surely the last bewse— ridiculous. so surely the last bewse tnat-s— ridiculous. so surely the last house that's going- " t: , so surely the last house that's going to get bwngbeet— house that's going to get bwngbeet ts— house that's going to get burgled is an— house that's going to get burgled is an ex—con . you put burgled is an ex—con. you put tnat— burgled is an ex—con. you put be en— burgled is an ex—con. you put be en tne— burgled is an ex—con. you put that on the door. _ burgled is an ex—con. you put that on the door. nobody's going to that on the door. nobody's going te want— that on the door. nobody's going te want yew-ne— that on the door. nobody's going to want you're not— that on the door. nobody's going to want you're not going to want tnat—etewn- to want you're not going to want that—down the- to want you're not going to want that down the stairs that guy coming down the stairs wttn— that guy coming down the stairs wttn-ebwb. — with a golf club. it's ridiculous.- with a golf club. it's ridiculous. anyway, mark, tbanbs— ridiculous. anyway, mark, thanks. thanks so much for joining— thanks. thanks so much for joining ws— thanks. thanks so much for joining us tonight. mark joining us tonight. that's mark tennsen— joining us tonight. that's mark johnson,-former_ joining us tonight. that's mark johnson, former prisoner and

johnson, the former prisoner and tewneten— johnson, the former prisoner and tewneten et— johnson, the former prisoner and founder of the _ johnson, the former prisoner and founder of the charity user vete— founder of the charity user voice. thank— founder of the charity user voice. thank you, mark lisa wanety— voice. thank you, mark lisa tangy anet— voice. thank you, mark lisa tangy anet ny— voice. thank you, mark lisa nandy and my esteemed panel, tnanets— nandy and my esteemed panel, tnanets .— nandy and my esteemed panel, tnanets . wnat— nandy and my esteemed panel, francis , what do— nandy and my esteemed panel, francis , what do you make of francis, what do you make of tnate— francis, what do you make of bat? tew— francis, what do you make of that? you look— francis, what do you make of that? you look a— francis, what do you make of that? you look a bit like you eewbet— that? you look a bit like you eewbet nave— that? you look a bit like you could have been— that? you look a bit like you could have been banged up. yeah, if i could have been banged up. yeah, tt t was— could have been banged up. yeah, tt t banged— could have been banged up. yeah, if i was banged up,— could have been banged up. yeah, if i was banged up, i wouldn't bast— if i was banged up, i wouldn't bast weny— if i was banged up, i wouldn't bast weny beng— if i was banged up, i wouldn't last very long, mate. you know, i'd last very long, mate. you know, t-et bteb— last very long, mate. you know, t-et bteb tne— last very long, mate. you know, i'd pick the option— last very long, mate. you know, i'd pick the option of a women's bntsen. — i'd pick the option of a women's bntsen. -yew— i'd pick the option of a women's prison. _you-what- prison. yeah, you know what i nean— prison. yeah, you know what i neanelget— prison. yeah, you know what i mean? get what's it called? mean? i get what's it called? ntsen— mean? i get what's it called? prison-gender- mean? i get what's it called? prison gender dysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni gender dysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni don't gender dysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni don't think.' dysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni don't think. iiysphoria. mean? i get what's it called? prisoni don't think. i don'tyria. yeah. i don't think. i don't tntnb— yeah. i don't think. i don't tntnt yew-et— yeah. i don't think. i don't think you'd need to specify tnat— think you'd need to specify tbatltbtnb— think you'd need to specify that. think they put you in that. i think they put you in et— that. i think they put you in et tnen— that. i think they put you in one of them anyway. cressida. my jaw one of them anyway. cressida. my tawlen— one of them anyway. cressida. my tawlen tne— one of them anyway. cressida. my jaw-on the floor— one of them anyway. cressida. my jaw-on the floor 22— one of them anyway. cressida. my jaw on the floor 22 hours jaw is on the floor 22 hours a bay. — jaw is on the floor 22 hours a bay. tnanets— jaw is on the floor 22 hours a day. francis if— jaw is on the floor 22 hours a day. francis if he— jaw is on the floor 22 hours a day. francis if he went to bntsen— day. francis if he went to bntsen .— day. francis if he went to bntsen . t— day. francis if he went to prison , i thought, this is what prison, i thought, this is what we tetn— prison, i thought, this is what we join amnesty— prison, i thought, this is what we join amnesty international for we join amnesty international ten ts— we join amnesty international ten ts 22— we join amnesty international for is 22 hours— we join amnesty international for is 22 hours a— we join amnesty international for is 22 hours a day. that's tast— for is 22 hours a day. that's just zea— for is 22 hours a day. that's just 23.5 hours during during lockdown , which is i mean, we lockdown, which is i mean, we talk about the impact of lockdown. imean talk about the impact of lockdown. i mean , i hadn't even lockdown. i mean, i hadn't even tnewgnt— lockdown. i mean, i hadn't even tnewgnt et— lockdown. i mean, i hadn't even tnewgnt et tne— lockdown. i mean, i hadn't even thought of the impact- f: i mean, i hadn't even thought of the impact on the bntsen— thought of the impact on the prison population. right. /tix. prison population. right. you tabe— prison population. right. you take yewn— prison population. right. you take yewn bet— prison population. right. you take your pet hamster- prison population. right. you take your pet hamster out of the cage for longer than that. it's just i'm absolutely stunned. that's terrific . and the idea that's terrific. and the idea that we think people are being rehabilitated actually rehabilitated and actually they're workbook they're being given a workbook under ,i they're being given a workbook under , i mean, yeah, under the door, i mean, yeah, disgusting. it's disgusting. that's it's absolutely—

disgusting. that's it's - absolutely-because disgusting. that's it's- absolutely-because you absolutely horrific because you tbtnb— absolutely horrific because you tent-tnew— absolutely horrific because you think, know, these people think, you know, these people nave— think, you know, these peoplei nave —aetwabby have ended up in jail. actually tnat— have ended up in jail. actually we ts— have ended up in jail. actually we ts a— have ended up in jail. actually that is a chance— have ended up in jail. actually that is a chance for us as a seetety— that is a chance for us as a seetety te— that is a chance for us as a society to help— that is a chance for us as a society to help rehabilitate tnese— society to help rehabilitate tnese beepe— society to help rehabilitate these people. so actually, when tney— these people. so actually, when tney ge— these people. so actually, when tney ge ewt— these people. so actually, when they go out, they're not going to re—offend._ they go out, they're not going to re—offend. yeah it's a eaneen— to re—offend. yeah it's a eaneen tt— to re—offend. yeah it's a chance. it would also help the eeney tne— chance. it would also help the economy. the economy starved of wenensb— economy. the economy starved of wenensb at— economy. the economy starved of wenensb at tne— economy. the economy starved of workers at the moment. so if we eewbt— workers at the moment. so if we eewbtlwe— workers at the moment. so if we could .we could— workers at the moment. so if we could we could reskill and could if we could reskill and rehabilitate— could if we could reskill and rehabilitate some prisoners, tney— rehabilitate some prisoners, tney ean— rehabilitate some prisoners, tney tney— rehabilitate some prisoners, they can they can go in and beee— they can they can go in and become maybe— they can they can go in and become maybe they could become bntsen— become maybe they could become bntsen wanenets — become maybe they could become prison wardens. yeah, exactly. teaenen— prison wardens. yeah, exactly. poacher turned _ prison wardens. yeah, exactly. poacher turned gamekeeper. but if poacher turned gamekeeper. but tt—ts— if all we're doing is effectively - if all we're doing is effectively locking them up and beawtng— effectively locking them up and beawtng tnese— effectively locking them up and leaving these people to rot, go , bio-— leaving these people to rot, go . ge. t— leaving these people to rot, go . ge. t nnean— leaving these people to rot, go , go. i mean, that— leaving these people to rot, go , go. i mean, that is torture, tsn-t— , go. i mean, that is torture, be be— , go. i mean, that is torture, isn't it? yeah.— , go. i mean, that is torture, isn't it? yeah. 22— , go. i mean, that is torture, isn't it? yeah. 22 hours in a eebb — isn't it? yeah. 22 hours in a eebb wean.— isn't it? yeah. 22 hours in a cell. yeah, that— isn't it? yeah. 22 hours in a cell. yeah, that is horrific. i tney— cell. yeah, that is horrific. i mean, they do— cell. yeah, that is horrific. i mean, they do have a playstation twe— mean, they do have a playstation ttwe. bwt— mean, they do have a playstation ttwe. bwt anyway.— mean, they do have a playstation five. but anyway, after the beat— five. but anyway, after the beat en— five. but anyway, after the break on free— five. but anyway, after the break on free speech nation, me anet— break on free speech nation, me anet ny— break on free speech nation, me anet nny tebbew— break on free speech nation, me and my fellow comedians turn agony— and my fellow comedians turn ageny wnebe— and my fellow comedians turn agony uncle slash auntie slash tnsent— agony uncle slash auntie slash insert preferred— agony uncle slash auntie slash insert preferred pronoun here anet— insert preferred pronoun here anet webb— insert preferred pronoun here and we'll bring— insert preferred pronoun here and we'll bring you some social sensatens— and we'll bring you some social sensations from _ and we'll bring you some social sensations from the tawdry world of sensations from the tawdry world et tne — sensations from the tawdry world of the internet— sensations from the tawdry world of the internet .— sensations from the tawdry world of the internet . see you in of the internet. see you in a eewbbe— of the internet. see you in a eewbbe et— of the internet. see you in a couple of minutes .

welcome back to the final seetten— welcome back to the final seetten et— welcome back to the final section of free— welcome back to the final section of free speech nation. bew— section of free speech nation. wew eweny— section of free speech nation. now every week— section of free speech nation. now every week we dedicate this part— now every week we dedicate this ban et— now every week we dedicate this ban et tne— now every week we dedicate this part of the show— now every week we dedicate this part of the show to— now every week we dedicate this part of the show to the world of seetab— part of the show to the world of seetab netta— part of the show to the world of social media and— part of the show to the world of social media and often the stentes— social media and often the stories that— social media and often the stories that are— social media and often the stories that are threatening to eaneeb— stories that are threatening to cancel someone— stories that are threatening to cancel someone or something . but cancel someone or something. but nest— cancel someone or something. but nest et— cancel someone or something. but nest et tne— cancel someone or something. but most of the time— cancel someone or something. but most of the time it's— cancel someone or something. but most of the time it's just some twnny— most of the time it's just some twnny stwtt— most of the time it's just some funny stuff somebody did online . ttnst— funny stuff somebody did online . ttnstlts— funny stuff somebody did online .first.is this— funny stuff somebody did online . first-is this video- funny stuff somebody did online . first is this video from . first up is this video from bast— . first up is this video from bast ntgnts— . first up is this video from last night's eurovision that beet— last night's eurovision that beet et— last night's eurovision that look of melania trump. �*vw�*ti; gtix look of melania trump. we get baen— look of melania trump. we get baeb te— look of melania trump. we get baeb te tne— look of melania trump. we get back to the competition . i said, back to the competition. i said, shall we go? no i want- back to the competition. i said, shall we go? no i want to- , , bit" i said, shall we go? no i want to see i want— shall we go? no i want to see i want te— shall we go? no i want to see i want te see— shall we go? no i want to see i want to see mel— shall we go? no i want to see i want to see mel churning butter some more exact— want to see mel churning butter some more exact hoping to become a twnewtsten— some more exact hoping to become a eurovision icon. _ some more exact hoping to become a eurovision icon. “: a eurovision icon. ready to take the stage. it's armenia- a eurovision icon. ready to take the stage. it's armenia .- a eurovision icon. “: 3 it's armenia . like in the stage. it's armenia. like in tnat— the stage. it's armenia. like in bat aetten. — the stage. it's armenia. like in that action. francis- the stage. it's armenia. like in that action. francis i- 3 it's armenia. like in that action. ”nit�*ti. "

on that screen. francis no offence, kristen . what did you offence, kristen. what did you make of that? well i've just been shown . this is why i don't been shown. this is why i don't waten— been shown. this is why i don't watch eurovision.— been shown. this is why i don't watch eurovision. it's— " this is why i don't watch eurovision. it's just not my— watch eurovision. it's just not nny tbtng— watch eurovision. it's just not nny tntng. tn— watch eurovision. it's just not my thing. i'm sure she's very tabenteet— my thing. i'm sure she's very talented and— my thing. i'm sure she's very talented and yeah, but that was wnatewen— talented and yeah, but that was whatever that _ talented and yeah, but that was whatever that was— talented and yeah, but that was whatever that was for . whatever that was for. fascinating, - whatever that was for. fascinating, bold choreography . fascinating, bold choreography. i fascinating, bold choreography. t tbtnb— fascinating, bold choreography. t tbtnb tt— fascinating, bold choreography. ttbtnb tt ws— fascinating, bold choreography. i think it was butter— fascinating, bold choreography. i think it was butter churning, but i'm not sure this is what we voted. brexit mate. yeah, it was. i mean, told the producer just told me it is butter churning. that's certainly how i churning. that's certainly how i churn butter. that's why i call it. anyway next up, we've got the influencer purposefully the influencer who purposefully crashed just to get crashed his plane just to get clicks. he might get up to 20 years prison, let's years in prison, though. let's watch evidence . watch the evidence. holy holy. i'm over the mountains and i get out of engine out .

so he did have a parachute. i'm assuming . so he jumped out of assuming. so he jumped out of the plane. he jumped out the plane, which i've just been told by somebody in the audience was a rented plane. i mean, i wouldn't even do that to a rented kia, never mind a cessna . that's i mean, i hope he paid for the excess insurance, 2.9 million views. oh, leo, is that all? yeah. what do you mean you're not? difficult is to get views on youtube, mate . $2.9 views on youtube, mate. $2.9 million and he jumped out of a plane risking life and limb. but you see people just unboxing toys or doing the asmr getting

way more views than that. and they don't go to prison for 20 years and they don't jump out of a plane. they've rented. that's why the algorithm is screwing with us, mate , you can see this with us, mate, you can see this now. yeah, with us, mate, you can see this now . yeah, well, it's been done. now. yeah, well, it's been done. wean— now. yeah, well, it's been done. wean madness.— now. yeah, well, it's been done. yeah madness. it's— yeah, well, it's been done. yeah madness. it's the ultimate mum ,— yeah madness. it's the ultimate . beet— yeah madness. it's the ultimate . beet at— yeah madness. it's the ultimate mum , look at me,— yeah madness. it's the ultimate mum , look at me, isn't it? just mum, look at me, isn't it? just ean-t— mum, look at me, isn't it? just ean-t nebate— mum, look at me, isn't it? just can't relate to— mum, look at me, isn't it? just can't relate to it— mum, look at me, isn't it? just can't relate to it at— mum, look at me, isn't it? just can't relate to it at all. boys anet— can't relate to it at all. boys anet tnen— can't relate to it at all. boys and their toys.— can't relate to it at all. boys and their toys. yeah and i love tne— and their toys. yeah and i love tne taet— and their toys. yeah and i love the fact that— and their toys. yeah and i love the fact that you— and their toys. yeah and i love the fact that you care about wnetnen— the fact that you care about wnetnen en— the fact that you care about whether or not— the fact that you care about whether or not it was rented. tnat-s— whether or not it was rented. tnat-s wnat— whether or not it was rented. that's what you _ whether or not it was rented. that's what you took from that. wet— that's what you took from that. we tne— that's what you took from that. we tne taet— that's what you took from that. not the fact that— that's what you took from that. not the fact that somebody twnbea— not the fact that somebody twnbea ewt— not the fact that somebody twnbea ewt et— not the fact that somebody jumped out of plane and left jumped out of a plane and left it jumped out of a plane and left ttltne— jumped out of a plane and left ttltne atn— jumped out of a plane and left itlthe air. well— jumped out of a plane and left it the air. well somebody. it in the air. well somebody. senebety— it in the air. well somebody. somebody suppose- it in the air. well somebody. somebody suppose to - it in the air. well somebody. somebody suppose to be picking up plane on tuesday. it's a up that plane on tuesday. it's a plane it's crashed into a plane and it's crashed into a mountain. you imagine if mountain. can you imagine if there's some colombian drug dealer looking , getting to dealer just looking, getting to the to the airfield, the getting to the airfield, going , hey, the getting to the airfield, going, hey, equine, is he going, hey, equine, what is he playing? we found these cocaine a lovely bit of racism there, francis foster. my mom's one of them. i can say it. next up, i can confirm francis mum is a cocaine baron. next up , we've cocaine baron. next up, we've got this video of joe biden talking about white supremacy .

talking about white supremacy. stand up against the poison of white supremacy as i did my inaugural address to a single out as the most dangerous terrorist threat to our homeland is white supremacy . and terrorist threat to our homeland is white supremacy. and i'm not saying is white supremacy. and i'm not saytng tnts— is white supremacy. and i'm not saying this because— is white supremacy. and i'm not saying this because i'm- i and i'm not saying this because i'm at a bbaeb— saying this because i'm at a bbaeb wbeb — saying this because i'm at a bbaeb wbeb .— saying this because i'm at a black hbcu . i— saying this because i'm at a black hbcu . i say it wherever black hbcu. i say it wherever i go black hbcu. i say it wherever i 90 - — black hbcu. i say it wherever i ge . beweby— black hbcu. i say it wherever i ge . beweby .— black hbcu. i say it wherever i ge . beweby . a— black hbcu. i say it wherever i go . lovely . a lovely- black hbcu. i say it wherever i go. ' go. lovely. a lovely way to finish that biggest threat is white supremacy . and i'm not white supremacy. and i'm not just saying that because i'm surrounded by black people. that's never mind the fact that he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut . he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut. but he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut . but that he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut. but that was he's dressed like he's in eyes wide shut . but that was about wide shut. but that was about thatis wide shut. but that was about that is incredible. that is incredible . look, i love joe incredible. look, i love joe biden . he like he when you see biden. he like he when you see him speak, it's half normal and then half like he's like starting to scat. he's our first jazz president. you know what i

mean? he's louis armstrong. he's beautiful. i love him. bill clinton was the first jazz president. yeah, i mean, i don't love it that makes me feel more stressed watching him do that and watching the guy jump out of the plane. can i have him back? wean.— the plane. can i have him back? wean. t— the plane. can i have him back? wean. t abways— the plane. can i have him back? yeah, i always feel— can i have him back? yeah, i always feel nervous for him— yeah, i always feel nervous for hm, btbe— yeah, i always feel nervous for hm, btbe ne— yeah, i always feel nervous for him, like he doesn't know what's going— him, like he doesn't know what's getng webb — him, like he doesn't know what's getng webb t— him, like he doesn't know what's going well. i feel— him, like he doesn't know what's going well. �*"ti;tix e going well. i feel like the plane probably safer. plane probably landed safer. and. where he jumps and. and the one where he jumps out it no pilot than out of it with no pilot than than joe biden was flying it. than if joe biden was flying it. yeah. imean, than if joe biden was flying it. yeah. i mean, i must admit, i eten-t— yeah. i mean, i must admit, i eten-t tnew— yeah. i mean, i must admit, i don't know the— / i mean, i must admit, i don't know the context, but what nes— don't know the context, but what ne-s tabbtng— don't know the context, but what he's talking about— don't know the context, but what he's talking about white swenenaey— he's talking about white supremacy, which actually supremacy, which is actually gwtte— supremacy, which is actually gwtte .— supremacy, which is actually gwtte . gwtte— supremacy, which is actually quite , quite an— supremacy, which is actually quite , quite an interesting quite, quite an interesting tbtng— quite, quite an interesting thing because— quite, quite an interesting thing because we've seen a lot of thing because we've seen a lot et—wntte- of white supremacist white swbnenaey— of white supremacist white supremacy . supremacy recently in america. wean. — supremacy recently in america. wean. tnat— supremacy recently in america. yeah. that isn't— supremacy recently in america. yeah. that isn't by— supremacy recently in america. yeah. that isn't by white- yeah. that isn't by white people. so there's a what is it called? mauricio garcia . and called? mauricio garcia. and related to your mum ? no. who related to your mum? no. who who's shot shot up a mall in texas and has been labelled a white supremacist. but he's actually mexican which i think a lot of white supremacists would have some issue with. they tend to quite specific about about to be quite specific about about race and also the leader of the proud boys is a black cuban guy.

yeah, it is. look, the quality of white supremacy has just gone down over the years. do you know what i mean? do you remember the? say what like about the? say what you like about them. boys were organised. them. those boys were organised. they you at they look great. you look at these mate. rubbish. these ones now, mate. rubbish. and bit we're going and that's the bit we're going to francisco you. and now to clip. francisco you. and now we've got the part where we talk through your unfiltered dilemmas . we've got a dilemma now from .we've got a dilemma now from christoph . it says, i'm very christoph. it says, i'm very right wing, but i've been sleeping . i've recently been sleeping. i've recently been sleeping. i've recently been sleeping with a very attractive left wing woman. don't believe it. they don't exist. the sex is amazing , but she's absolutely amazing, but she's absolutely deluded and all kumbaya . i deluded and all kumbaya. i pretend she's leading a scout troop in the 70s i pretend i agree with her. so just so i can keep on sleeping with her. am i a bad man ? i mean, what do you a bad man? i mean, what do you think christ is that? i think this is a ploy to get more right wing women. yeah. well done, enntstes. — wing women. yeah. well done, christos. good— g " yeah. well done, christos. good attempt. i don't tnew— christos. good attempt. i don't tnew. t— christos. good attempt. i don't tnew. t nnean— christos. good attempt. i don't know. i mean, they're both. tney-ne— know. i mean, they're both. tney-ne betn— know. i mean, they're both. they're both losing out here, anent— they're both losing out here, t tneye —

they're both losing out here, aren't they? they- they're both losing out here, aren't they? "can 311i: "can they're both losing out here, aren't they? "can hi: "can 311i: aren't they? they are. they are both losing. losing out. francis, what do you think? just do every guy does, say, do like every guy does, say, yeah, that's great. well done. lovely couldn't have gone better. you think better. thank you. do you think a insight into francis a little insight into francis sex life? we did ask for and i mean, you don't exactly live up to the latin stereotype. no, i don't. nobody would know. your mum's from from venezuela. anyway, thank you for joining us for free speech nation tonight. this was the week when liz truss tried to take on china like a drunk bloke taking on a bouncer outside a pub. elon musk proved his free speech credentials are as superficial as a russian election and the labour party tried to infringe denies any human being that can hold a pencil and possibly vote for them. thank you so much to my panel them. thank you so much to my panel. francis foster. you've got a gig to plug. francis yes, come and me. 31st of may at come and see me. 31st of may at the etcetera theatre in camden. that was smooth . that was that was smooth. that was smooth. it sounded like a wrestling commentator there for some reason . and chris skudder, some reason. and chris skudder, when have you got anything to

plug? got some more dates plug? i've got some more dates at fringe coming at the brighton fringe coming up, the up, which i can't remember the dates but it's on my dates of, but it's on my website. good. well, the website. that's good. well, the written so written down somewhere, so that's also to my that's good. and also to my guest, pinker, alistair guest, steven pinker, alistair donald, jo bartosch donald, ella nixon, jo bartosch and johnston . and you and mark johnston. and if you want join live in the want to join us live in the studio, please sign up our studio, please sign up to our audiences. stay tuned for the brilliant dolan. goodbye brilliant mark dolan. goodbye hello again, i'm steven keats with your latest met office updates. and for the week ahead, aetwabby— updates. and for the week ahead, aetwabby. w-wee— updates. and for the week ahead, actually, we've got— e. : and for the week ahead, actually, we've got plenty of tny— actually, we've got plenty of any weatnen— actually, we've got plenty of dry weather in— actually, we've got plenty of dry weather in the forecast for many— dry weather in the forecast for many pants— dry weather in the forecast for many bans et— dry weather in the forecast for many parts of the— dry weather in the forecast for many parts of the uk, it's not a eenbbeteby— many parts of the uk, it's not a eenbbeteby tny— many parts of the uk, it's not a completely dry picture. there wtbb— completely dry picture. there wtbb be— completely dry picture. there wtbb be a— completely dry picture. there will be a few— completely dry picture. there will be a few showers around and it will be a few showers around and tt wtbb— will be a few showers around and tt wtbb be— will be a few showers around and it will be feeling— will be a few showers around and it will be feeling a— will be a few showers around and it will be feeling a bit cooler as-eenbaneet— it will be feeling a bit cooler as-comparedlthe- it will be feeling a bit cooler as compared the last as well compared to the last eewbbe— as well compared to the last eewnbeletays— as well compared to the last couple days. that's couple of days. and that's beese— couple of days. and that's because _this- couple of days. and that's- because _this .front, because behind this cold front, wnten— because behind this cold front, wnten wtbb— because behind this cold front, which will be— because behind this cold front, which will be slowly slipping its which will be slowly slipping tts way— which will be slowly slipping its way eastwards through its way south eastwards through this—overnight,- this evening and overnight, tnene— this evening and overnight, there-cooler— this evening and overnight, there cooler mass there is a cooler air mass watttng—anti there is a cooler air mass- waiting_and that waiting in the wings and that wtbb— waiting in the wings and that wtbb-tbtngs- waiting in the wings and that will-things to- waiting in the wings and that will things to the will dominate things to the test— will dominate things to the test-next— will dominate things to the first-next-sol first part of next week. so get— first part of next week. so we've got quite- first part of next week. so we've got quite cloudy skies wttn— we've got quite cloudy skies we see— we've got quite cloudy skies with some outbreaks of rain sbewby— with some outbreaks of rain slowly slipping— with some outbreaks of rain slowly slipping way slowly slipping their way south eastwanets— slowly slipping their way south eastwards evening eastwards through this evening and eastwards through this evening anet ewenntgbt— eastwards through this evening and overnight. heavier and overnight. the odd, heavier bwnst— and overnight. the odd, heavier bwstaes—s- and overnight. the odd, heavier burst—across parts. and overnight. the odd, heavier bueastern across parts and overnight. the odd, heavier bueastern england,'oss parts and overnight. the odd, heavier bueastern england,'oss probably and overnight. the odd, heavier bueamounting and,'oss probably and overnight. the odd, heavier bueamounting to d,'oss probably and overnight. the odd, heavier bueamounting to tooss probably and overnight. the odd, heavier bueamounting to too much)ably not amounting to too much ebsewnene. — not amounting to too much elsewhere. skies will tend to

ebean— elsewhere. skies will tend to ebean anet— elsewhere. skies will tend to clear and underneath, underneath tnese—wteteby- clear and underneath, underneath thesquuite-widely- clear and underneath, underneath these quite chilly. widely turning quite chilly. so temperatures off, temperatures not too far off, tneeztng — temperatures not too far off, tneeztng tn— temperatures not too far off, freezing in the— temperatures not too far off, freezing in the coldest spots. ttnst— freezing in the coldest spots. ttnst tbtng— freezing in the coldest spots. first thing monday morning. freezing in the coldest spots. first thiichilly monday morning. freezing in the coldest spots. first thiichilly mondwilliorning. freezing in the coldest spots. first thiichilly mondwill beiing. but the chilly start will be compensated— but the chilly start will be compensated for fair amount compensated for by a fair amount of compensated for by a fair amount et-ten— compensated for by a fair amount et-ten many— compensated for by a fair amount of-for many places- compensated for by a fair amount of for many places away of sunshine for many places away tnen— of sunshine for many places away tnen tne— of sunshine for many places away tnen tne tan— of sunshine for many places away from the far south—east of tngbaneb— from the far south—east of england, where— from the far south—east of england, where will clear england, where rain will clear away—nenntngl away through the morning. etnenwtse.— away through the morning. otherwise, start otherwise, the sunny start will tenet— otherwise, the sunny start will tenet-ebewet— otherwise, the sunny start will tend-cloud infills- tend to see cloud infills tnnewgn— tend to see cloud infills through the— tend to see cloud infills through the day and a few sewensn— through the day and a few showers breaking across showers breaking out across bats— showers breaking out across parts-northern- showers breaking out across parts northern scotland, parts of northern scotland, eastenn— parts of northern scotland, eastern scotland, down towards eastenn—eeetl eastern england. and the odd neawy— eastern england. and the odd heavy-possible- eastern england. and the odd heavy possible here in heavy burst is possible here in the afternoon.— heavy burst is possible here in the afternoon. but wherever you ane-tn— the afternoon. but wherever you ane-tn tne — the afternoon. but wherever you are,-in the best— the afternoon. but wherever you are,-in the best of- the afternoon. but wherever you are, in the best of the are, even in the best of the swnsntne— sunshine for the south—west, tnese— sunshine for the south—west, those temperatures down those temperatures will be down seweab—te- those temperatures will be down. several—to what several degrees compared to what we-tne— several degrees compared to what we _the weekend. - several degrees compared to what we the weekend. and we saw over the weekend. and gwtte— we saw over the weekend. and gwttelnaggtng— we saw over the weekend. and quite nagging down the quite a nagging breeze down the nenn— quite a nagging breeze down the nentn—anet— quite a nagging breeze down the north—and-morej north sea coast. and a few more sewensn— north sea coast. and a few more sewensn wtbb— north sea coast. and a few more showers will continue into taenetay— showers will continue into taenetay-bwt- showers will continue into monday but these showers will continue into - monday-but these tended monday evening. but these tended to monday evening. but these tended te-we— monday evening. but these tended te-we bese— monday evening. but these tended to-we lose-heating- to fade as we lose the heating of to fade as we lose the heating et tne— to fade as we lose the heating et tne bay— to fade as we lose the heating et tne etay anet— to fade as we lose the heating of the day and then overnight tnte— of the day and then overnight tnte twesetay— of the day and then overnight into tuesday, largely clear sbtes— into tuesday, largely clear. sbtes—bb into tuesday, largely clear- sbtes—bb wttn skies across much of the uk with tenbenatwnes— skies across much of the uk withi temperatures _these temperatures is underneath these ebean— temperatures is underneath these ebean-tabbtng— temperatures is underneath these clear-falling pretty- clear skies falling pretty entbby— clear skies falling pretty entbbyltne— clear skies falling pretty. chilly .the _year . chilly for the time of year. tewen— chilly for the time of year. touch-certainly. touch of frost certainly besstbbe. — touch of frost certainly possible, particularly northern tngbant—se- possible, particularly northern- england _so gardeners possible, particularly northern engigrowers so gardeners possible, particularly northern engigrowers take so gardeners possible, particularly northern engigrowers take note,» gardeners possible, particularly northern engigrowers take note, butrdeners and growers take note, but agatn— and growers take note, but again, tt— and growers take note, but again, it should be a lovely stan— again, it should be a lovely stant te— again, it should be a lovely start to tuesday— again, it should be a lovely start to tuesday for many places we — start to tuesday for many places with widespread— start to tuesday for many places with widespread blue skies, lots of with widespread blue skies, lots et—stant— with widespread blue skies, lots et—stant tne-

with widespread blue skies, lots of_start the day.- of sunshine to start the day. tne— of sunshine to start the day. the exception— of sunshine to start the day. the exception to— of sunshine to start the day. the exception to this, the far nenn— the exception to this, the far nentn et— the exception to this, the far north of scotland, we'll north of scotland, where we'll see—tent- see a weak weather front bntngtng— see a weak weather front bringing cloudier skies. some bringing in cloudier skies. some sneweny— bringing in cloudier skies. some showery outbreaks— bringing in cloudier skies. some showery outbreaks of rain which asae—ess tnel as it comes south across the nest—tnte- as it comes south across thei rest—into northern rest of scotland into northern tngbaneb— rest of scotland into northern england,_break. england, tending to break up tnte— england, tending to break up into showers.— england, tending to break up into showers. so— england, tending to break up into showers. so again, a ntatwne— into showers. so again, a mixture-spellsl into showers. so again, a. mixture-spells and mixture of sunny spells and sewensn— mixture of sunny spells and showers afternoon, showers for the afternoon, nestby— showers for the afternoon, mostly conditions for the mostly fine conditions for the send—

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