told the sunday times the government risks another six months of industrial

action if negotiations aren't reopened. members rejected a 5% offer, which was accepted by 14 other unions in a new ballot for strikes will be held later this month. residents in north devon told us they need to consider the current economic climate . i the current economic climate. i do believe they are worth i do believe they are worth every penny— do believe they are worth every penny of— do believe they are worth every penny of 5,— do believe they are worth every penny of 5. pne— do believe they are worth every penny of 5, but whether they're nonn— penny of 5, but whether they're nenn none— penny of 5, but whether they're nenn ,— penny of 5, but whether they're nenn , i— penny of 5, but whether they're worth more , i think probably yes worth more, i think probably yes . nup— worth more, i think probably yes . but we— worth more, i think probably yes . but we definitely— worth more, i think probably yes . but we definitely need- worth more, i think probably yes . but we definitely need them and we need the health service. it's being run down by this government, which i can't blame them for. covid because it was a new disease, but the rest of it they up. ithink new disease, but the rest of it they up. i think they they mucked up. i think they pneum— they mucked up. i think they should accept— they mucked up. i think they should accept the _ f: c. ithink they should accept the offer that's on ene— should accept the offer that's on ene peppe— should accept the offer that's on the table because as we're all on the table because as we're eu-fnn — on the table because as we're eu-fnn ene- on the table because as we're all-from the cost. on the table because as we're all from the cost of all suffering from the cost of living— all suffering from the cost of living ense— all suffering from the cost of living crisis and— all suffering from the cost of living crisis and as a pensioner , ennenpn— living crisis and as a pensioner , although we've— living crisis and as a pensioner , although we've had a big rise enn— , although we've had a big rise enn fine,— , although we've had a big rise this time, it's— , although we've had a big rise this time, it's probably not going— this time, it's probably not going to— this time, it's probably not going to teen— this time, it's probably not going to last and we're affected by eyenynnnp— going to last and we're affected by eyenynnnp ee— going to last and we're affected by everything as well . by everything as well. suggestions- by everything as well. suggestions of unrest within the conservative— suggestions of unrest within the conservative party— suggestions of unrest within the conservative party are being downplayed— conservative party are being

downplayed after the prime minister— downplayed after the prime minister was— downplayed after the prime minister was blamed for the recent— minister was blamed for the recent local— minister was blamed for the recent local election results . recent local election results. enn— recent local election results. nen sunny— recent local election results. rishi sunak is— recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing- recent local election results. rishi sunak is facing criticism after nearly 1000 councillors were lost and the decision to scale back post—brexit plans to scrap eu laws. former home secretary priti patel accused the leader of failing to listen to his party, adding the tories hadnt to his party, adding the tories hadn't covered itself in glory since boris johnson's leadership . energy secretary grant shapps says the prime minister is doing the right things and people need to be patient. i think this and ene— to be patient. i think this and ene wee— to be patient. i think this and she was referring— to be patient. i think this and she was referring to- i think this and she was referring to the set of elections— she was referring to the set of elections which _ she was referring to the set of elections which were obviously very— elections which were obviously very difficult— elections which were obviously very difficult for— elections which were obviously very difficult for the conservatives. they weren't a peep— conservatives. they weren't a peep see— conservatives. they weren't a peep see of— conservatives. they weren't a good set of elections for us, put— good set of elections for us, put enn— good set of elections for us, but this was— good set of elections for us, but this was the— good set of elections for us, but this was the first eppennnny- but this was the first opportunity people have had to comment— opportunity people have had to comment on all— opportunity people have had to comment on all the shenanigans of comment on all the shenanigans on net— comment on all the shenanigans of last summer— comment on all the shenanigans of last summer and those many teeeennp— of last summer and those many leadership changes that went on. i ennn— leadership changes that went on. penny people— leadership changes that went on. i think people were venting enen— i think people were venting their frustration . an i actually their frustration. an i actually ennn— their frustration. an i actually ennn ene— their frustration. an i actually think the -sunak- their frustration. an i actually think the sunak in his think the rishi sunak in his five— think the rishi sunak in his five pene— think the rishi sunak in his five point plan— think the rishi sunak in his five point plan to halve inflation— five point plan to halve inflation and- five point plan to halve inflation and grow the economy ene— inflation and grow the economy and neede— inflation and grow the economy and reduce our— inflation and grow the economy and reduce our debt and cut the nns— and reduce our debt and cut the nns waning— and reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list— and reduce our debt and cut the nhs waiting list and stop the

ennu— nhs waiting list and stop the smell pene— nhs waiting list and stop the small boats, i— nhs waiting list and stop the small boats, i think he's doing exactly— small boats, i think he's doing exactly ene— small boats, i think he's doing exactly the right— small boats, i think he's doing exactly the right things. and tee-e— exactly the right things. and pen-e puppe— exactly the right things. and let's judge him _ exactly the right things. and let's judge him against that. lee-e— let's judge him against that. pen-e puppe— let's judge him against that. let's judge this— let's judge him against that. let's judge this government penne— let's judge this government againstthat-_ let's judge this government against that. when comes to against that. when it comes to the against that. when it comes to ene-eteenen— against that. when it comes to ene-eteenen ,— against that. when it comes to the-election , the- against that. when it comes to the election , the shadow the next election, the shadow peeineee— the next election, the shadow business secretary has defended plane— business secretary has defended plane to— business secretary has defended plane to pne— business secretary has defended plans to give workers the right to plans to give workers the right no ennen— plans to give workers the right to switch off— plans to give workers the right to switch off outside of working noun. — to switch off outside of working hours. labour— to switch off outside of working hours. labour wants- to switch off outside of working hours. " to switch off outside of working hours. ” hours. labour wants to restrict employers from contacting staff by phone or email, saying workers should be able to disconnect from their devices in their downtime . similar their downtime. similar legislation is already in place in france. jonathan reynolds told gb news it'll promote productivity. i think we do want to see the kind of employment laws that will protect family life , give people some time in life, give people some time in order to do the other things that are important in life as well as work. and i think that's been— well as work. and i think that's been ended— well as work. and i think that's been eroded very— and i think that's been eroded very significantly in been eroded very significantly p._p_ been eroded very significantly in_i-thel in recent years. i think the pepper— in recent years. i think the labour-itself- in recent years. i think the labour-itself that labour market itself means that more—flexibility- labour market itself means that more _flexibility ini more people want flexibility in the workplace, _ more people want flexibility in the workplace, but i'm absolutely— the workplace, but i'm absolutely confident in the aggregate— absolutely confident in the. aggregate—pee aggregate platform we'll put forward— aggregate platform we'll put penned-ene— aggregate platform we'll put forward-the one- aggregate platform we'll put forward the one that will forward is the one that will pne— forward is the one that will give people— forward is the one that will give people hope and optimism and give people hope and optimism end-eenneny- give people hope and optimism and country around. give people hope and optimism and 13 country around. give people hope and optimism and 13 years country around. give people hope and optimism and 13 years of|ntry around. give people hope and optimism and 13 years of conservative after 13 years of conservative peyennnne— after 13 years of conservative government,_iti after 13 years of conservative . government,_it has after 13 years of conservative - government,_it has a government, labour says it has a pp...— government, labour says it has a pp... ee— government, labour says it has a

pp... no eneeee— government, labour says it has a plan to create 80,000 new jobs in plan to create 80,000 new jobs p. ene— plan to create 80,000 new jobs p. ene enn— plan to create 80,000 new jobs in the car industry— plan to create 80,000 new jobs in the car industry , partly in the car industry, partly financing— in the car industry, partly financing eight factories if it nine— financing eight factories if it ene— financing eight factories if it wins the election. c a wins the election. it'll also help— wins the election. it'll also help power nearly 2 million electric vehicles . the party electric vehicles. the party says the proposal will see the west midlands benefit from 28,000 jobs and 11,000 roles will be created in the north—west now counting is underway in turkey to establish who will be the country's next president . voters have been president. voters have been deciding on whether president erdogan, who's been in power for 20 years, should be re—elected . 20 years, should be re—elected. and opinion polls ahead of the ballot gave his main rival, kemal kilicdaroglu, a slight lead. a clearer indication of the first round result is expected this evening. and so far , it's still too tight to far, it's still too tight to call . and finally, the ukrainian call. and finally, the ukrainian president has received an award dunng president has received an award during his visit to germany . during his visit to germany. bakhmut . he

during his visit to germany. bakhmut. he was presented during his visit to germany. bakhmut . he was presented with bakhmut. he was presented with the international charlemagne prize of action in recognition of the ukrainian people and vladimir zelenskyy's fight for freedom against what's been described as the unjustified russian war of aggression. the board of directors said the award underscores the fact that ukraine is part of europe and the country supports the bloc's european values . tv online the country supports the bloc's european values. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in this is gb news. now it's time for gloria meets . meets. lisa nandy shadow levelling up secretary labour mp for wigan elected in 2010. normally we do these interviews newn— normally we do these interviews down p..— normally we do these interviews down in london.— normally we do these interviews down in london. you insisted we ee— down in london. you insisted we no youn— down in london. you insisted we come to your constituency, so many— come to your constituency, so enenn yen— come to your constituency, so enenn yen fen— come to your constituency, so thank you for getting us out of london.— thank you for getting us out of london. n-e— thank you for getting us out of london. it's an— thank you for getting us out of london. it's an amazing ground nee.— london. it's an amazing ground nene. wny— london. it's an amazing ground nene. wny n— london. it's an amazing ground

nene. wny n n— london. it's an amazing ground here. why is it so— london. it's an amazing ground here. why is it so important for us here. why is it so important for up no— here. why is it so important for up to de— here. why is it so important for up no no n— here. why is it so important for us to do it here?— here. why is it so important for us to do it here? because you make— us to do it here? because you make me— us to do it here? because you make me sound— us to do it here? because you make me sound like a right drama queen—everyone- queen, insisting that everyone eeneelwnen— queen, insisting that everyone comes wigan, but. ennis comes to wigan, but. well, i upe— comes to wigan, but. well, i live nee.— comes to wigan, but. well, i live here, and— comes to wigan, but. well, i live here, and i wanted you to be here in particular, because we're sitting at the stadium where at home to wigan athletic and wigan warriors, our rugby league club. it was this club, wigan athletic, ten years ago to this very day that took us all the way to wembley where we defeated manchester city and won the fa cup. it was one of the best days that wigan has ever had, that i've ever had. ten years i was sitting at years ago i was sitting at wembley stadium, on tour. wembley stadium, wigan on tour. all out there and i wanted all of us out there and i wanted you to see it because this is the thing that has shaped my politics. it shaped who i am, it's shaped and driven, why i'm in politics. the people of this town are the most incredible people . they work hard. they people. they work hard. they have no time for some of the nonsense that goes on in westminster. and i just really wanted you to here to feel wanted you to be here to feel it. and absorb it and to show it to all of your viewers. because

this is what matters, not the not the pantomime that goes on in westminster. it's interesting nnee— in westminster. it's interesting nnee yen-ve— in westminster. it's interesting what you've said— in westminster. it's interesting what you've said about- " it's interesting what you've said about your constituency— what you've said about your constituency ._ what you've said about your constituency . and the reason why constituency. and the reason why i find— constituency. and the reason why i fine in— constituency. and the reason why i find it interesting— constituency. and the reason why i find it interesting is because we pee— i find it interesting is because we got elected— i find it interesting is because we got elected at— i find it interesting is because we got elected at the same time and— we got elected at the same time and we— we got elected at the same time and we became— we got elected at the same time and we became friends, never met eeen— and we became friends, never met eeen owner— and we became friends, never met each other before. _ and we became friends, never met each other before. we found ourselves parliament together ourselves in parliament together and w— ourselves in parliament together and w winn— ourselves in parliament together and w ennn we— ourselves in parliament together and i think we became friends largely— and i think we became friends largely because— and i think we became friends largely because we didn't really like ene— largely because we didn't really like the house— largely because we didn't really like the house of— largely because we didn't really like the house of commons. we felt like the house of commons. we new newe— like the house of commons. we felt quite uncomfortable. it new— felt quite uncomfortable. it few very— felt quite uncomfortable. it felt very strange to us. we were men— felt very strange to us. we were nwen nepppen— felt very strange to us. we were much happier when we were back in much happier when we were back p. ew— much happier when we were back in our constituencies. have you newe— in our constituencies. have you made peeeee— in our constituencies. have you made peeeee we— in our constituencies. have you made peace? it's 13 years since enn— made peace? it's 13 years since that election.— made peace? it's 13 years since that election. i— made peace? it's 13 years since that election. i left— made peace? it's 13 years since that election. i left the last election — that election. i left the last election. have— that election. i left the last election. have you made peace wwn— election. have you made peace with westminster?— election. have you made peace with westminster? do you now get it? with westminster? do you now get pee-yew-ne— with westminster? do you now get pee-yew-ne peed- with westminster? do you now get it?-you're good-it?- it? because you're good at it? do it? because you're good at it? pep-une— it? because you're good at it? oe-une ene— it? because you're good at it? do-like the house- it? because you're good at it? do like the house of commons do you like the house of commons none—se— do you like the house of commons none—so rye- more than you did? so i've always— more than you did? so i've always-ene- more than you did? so i've always-the bit- more than you did? so i've always the bit where you always liked the bit where you debate— always liked the bit where you nepeee ene — always liked the bit where you debate the debates, not the debate the real debates, not the not debate the real debates, not the nee-enew— debate the real debates, not the not. show - pmqs - debate the real debates, not the not show pmqs that's not the show like pmqs that's peep—eenene- not the show like pmqs that's wee—ennene. | not the show like pmqs that's. just—cameras . but just there for the cameras. but the new— just there for the cameras. but the real debates.— just there for the cameras. but the real debates. i've- just there for the cameras. but the real debates. i've always liked that. and you don't see a lot of that on the telly, but you do often you learn stuff from people and you learn stuff from people and you learn stuff from who've got from people who've got a completely perspective completely different perspective from had different

from you. we've had different experiences , so i learned lots experiences, so i learned lots of from the other side. of stuff from the other side. i'm own and i often i'm from my own side and i often change my mind as a result of that of it. that bit of it. that bit of it. that bit of it. i really like the rest of it. i just find really difficult. it's getting off the train on a, you know, wednesday evening, if i can make it earlier, if i can get away with it here, it feels like stepping into a different world from westminster . the world from westminster. the stuff that seems to matter there just it's so disconnected to what people are dealing with here. and it has been for 13 years and none of that gap has really closed. i think , you really closed. i think, you know, for me, that's been the mission of my 13 years in politics, is to try and take what is happening to people in places like wigan and drag it into the westminster bubble and force people to confront it, you know, i mean , you, you remember know, i mean, you, you remember those brexit years after the second, you know, after the referendum and all these calls for a second referendum. um, people here just thought we'd gone absolutely mad. we are all

of us. well, yeah, well, we had , i mean, you know, you walk around the house of commons and you couldn't shake the feeling that people had completely lost the plot that gap just hasn't got smaller those intervening got smaller in those intervening years. it years. and so, no, i find it really difficult still . it's really difficult still. it's keir starmer on on really difficult still. it's- keir starmer on on something enen— keir starmer on on something then because— keir starmer on on something then because he— keir starmer on on something then because he said this week , then because he said this week, then because he said this week, ene pwpue— then because he said this week, the public don't— then because he said this week, the public don't care about eneee— the public don't care about eneee wowe— the public don't care about these woke issues. they don't appen— these woke issues. they don't care about woke,— these woke issues. they don't care about woke, they don't go, you— care about woke, they don't go, you knew,— care about woke, they don't go, you know, -these - you know, have these conversations happens might you know, have these convers.in)ns happens might you know, have these convers.in the happens might you know, have these convers.in the media s might you know, have these convers.in the media ornight you know, have these convers.in the media or or ht happen in the media or or wneeewen — happen in the media or or whatever. but— happen in the media or or whatever. but like in places une— whatever. but like in places wee-feet- whatever. but like in places like fact anywhere whatever. but like in places- like -fact anywhere else like wigan in fact anywhere else onene— like wigan in fact anywhere else outside of— like wigan in fact anywhere else outside of maybe— like wigan in fact anywhere else outside of maybe media no outside of maybe media land, no newne— outside of maybe media land, no one's having those— outside of maybe media land, no one's having those chats. is he right— one's having those chats. is he npnelenew— one's having those chats. is he right-that? just— one's having those chats. is he right-that? just |- one's having those chats. is he right that? just i couldn't right on that? just i couldn't agree— right on that? just i couldn't agree-mm — right on that? just i couldn't agree-him more- right on that? just i couldn't agree him more and i was agree with him more and i was almost— agree with him more and i was almost relieved— agree with him more and i was almost relieved when he said it une— almost relieved when he said it like someone— almost relieved when he said it like someone had— almost relieved when he said it like someone had broken the epeu. — like someone had broken the epeu. ane— like someone had broken the spell. and there— like someone had broken the spell. and there are- like someone had broken the spell. : sm; mt; like someone had broken the spell. : sm; mi; spell. and there are people who care about people in their community. got people community. we've got people going gender recognition going through gender recognition here in wigan. i've talked a lot about one of the young girls that's going through it here at the at you know, the moment. at and you know, they care about the fact that those people are being demonised. it's not nice. you know, we're kind to asylum

seekers here when they arrive , seekers here when they arrive, we give them a proper wig and welcome. my local welcome. one of my local charities was telling me the other that one of the other day that one of the problems they is that problems that they have is that people really generous here people are really generous here and donate lot, but they and they donate a lot, but they donate sort of food that we donate the sort of food that we in so a of in wigan. so there's a lot of pies, of christmas pies, a lot of christmas puddings, that sort of stuff around christmas. and a of around christmas. and a lot of the seekers are like the asylum seekers are like they've this of they've never seen this sort of food before and they don't know what to with it's what to do with it, but it's nice when, know, when people nice when, you know, when people try and whip up all this sort of woke stuff these culture woke stuff and these culture wars. in this wars. honestly, people in this town they've gone town just think they've gone absolutely and they won't absolutely mad and they won't have it. they just won't have it. they won't have it from us. they won't have it from the conservatives and i just think they won't have it from the corwas'atives and i just think they won't have it from the corwas soves and i just think they won't have it from the corwas so rightnd i just think they won't have it from the corwas so right to i just think they won't have it from the corwas so right to call;t think they won't have it from the corwas so right to call itthink they won't have it from the corwas so right to call it out< he was so right to call it out because it's just absolute rubbish part of that rubbish and it's part of that disconnect between politics and people people here are talking about, you know , there's long about, you know, there's long waits to get an ambulance out and you often find yourself queuing then to get into a&e. people are really, really worried about this sort of stuff at and any

at the moment. and any government that is fit to govern has to just the basics and has to just fix the basics and take of the basics. acas take care of the basics. acas stop messing around . you stood stop messing around. you stood to be labour leader— stop messing around. you stood to be labour leader at- g : you stood to be labour leader at that last weeeennp— to be labour leader at that last leadership election which start in leadership election which start p. npne— leadership election which start p. went after— leadership election which start in right after that. cc; in right after that. general election— in right after that. general election defeat in 2019. obviously you didn't win, but election defeat in 2019. - obviously you didn't win, but it it obviously you didn't win, but it w newes— obviously you didn't win, but it it takes remember— obviously you didn't win, but it it takes remember thanks. it newes— it takes remember thanks. it takes pete— it takes remember thanks. it takes gene we— it takes remember thanks. it takes guts to put yourself newne— takes guts to put yourself forward for— takes guts to put yourself forward for a— takes guts to put yourself forward for a position like wee.— forward for a position like new weep— forward for a position like that. most of— forward for a position like that. most of us wouldn't dream of that. most of us wouldn't dream on doing— that. most of us wouldn't dream on doing ee— that. most of us wouldn't dream of doing so because it's hard . of doing so because it's hard. wnee— of doing so because it's hard. wnee wee— of doing so because it's hard. what was the _ of doing so because it's hard. what was the hardest part for you— what was the hardest part for you about— what was the hardest part for you about going— what was the hardest part for you about going through that eenteew— you about going through that contest? i— you about going through that contest? i think— you about going through that contest? i think you're right enn— contest? i think you're right new you— contest? i think you're right that you know,— contest? i think you're right that you know, it does take a lot that you know, it does take a wet on— that you know, it does take a lot of confidence— that you know, it does take a lot of confidence to be able to do lot of confidence to be able to no n. — lot of confidence to be able to no n. we— lot of confidence to be able to do it. i'd never— lot of confidence to be able to do it. i'd never have- lot of confidence to be able to do it. 2 : c �*" do it. i'd never have done it if there wasn't a really compelling reason why i thought i had to. you know, it's not that i thought i've be the thought i've got to be the leader of the labour party. nobody it. but at nobody else could do it. but at that time we'd through this that time we'd gone through this horrendous where we'd horrendous period where we'd become disconnected become completely disconnected from people who who we built from the people who who we built and founded the labour party

with for and people who felt , with for and people who felt, you know, not just really disrespect treated by what had happened during brexit, but also , you know, we've gone through a penod , you know, we've gone through a period where we'd, we'd moved to the extremes in the party where we were promising the earth to people who are incredibly grounded and realistic and could see that we had no ability to pay see that we had no ability to pay for it. they were worried about they could trust about whether they could trust us with their money. it's their money and they haven't got a lot of worried about of it. they're worried about whether could trust us to whether they could trust us to stand up for them in any circumstance. but particularly, stand up for them in any circlknow,|ce. but particularly, stand up for them in any circlknow, whenrt particularly, stand up for them in any circlknow, when we articularly, stand up for them in any circlknow, when we had jlarly, stand up for them in any circlknow, when we had the .y, stand up for them in any circlknow, when we had the attack you know, when we had the attack on of salisbury from on the streets of salisbury from the putin government and people really thought that we were siding with putin over the british people , i mean, it was british people, i mean, it was it was horrendous. i didn't come into politics to represent another political party. labour is their home. and we've taken that away from them. and i wanted to show them that we got it. and i thought if we go into that contest saying we got it all right, corbyn ten out of

ten, brexit ten out of ten, we just need to plough on and do more of the same. um, i thought that would be the end of the labour party. i thought we'd die and we would deserve so and we would deserve to. so i stood to give those people a voice so that when they looked at they would at that contest, they would know that there was somebody who was prepared stand up and fight prepared to stand up and fight for and right for them. and their right to have that built have the party that they built and founded back representing them again politics. them again in british politics. now, win. you're right. them again in british politics. nowthank win. you're right. them again in british politics. nowthank yourin. you're right. them again in british politics. nowthank you veryou're right. them again in british politics. nowthank you very much ight. them again in british politics. nowthank you very much fort. and thank you very much for that. very depressing reminder. but in a lot of ways, but actually, in a lot of ways, i feel that the job was done because when started because when we started that contest, was only person contest, i was the only person on stage saying those on that stage saying those things. of that things. and by the end of that contest, i stood with kieran becky, like a lot becky, who i came to like a lot and and become good and respect and become good friends with throughout the course of the contest. we course of the contest. and we were saying it and were all saying it and i thought, that's it. that's that's what i had to do when you're in a contest like that , you're in a contest like that, you're in a contest like that, you obviously go home at night. you're standing in front of nenenp— you're standing in front of members during the day, but you go none— members during the day, but you go none and— members during the day, but you go home and you've got time to wink.— go home and you've got time to wine. we— go home and you've got time to wine. n w—

go home and you've got time to think. is it dark— go home and you've got time to think. is it dark 7— go home and you've got time to think. is it dark ? are there think. is it dark? are there new— think. is it dark? are there dark moments— think. is it dark? are there dark moments where you think, why— dark moments where you think, wny en— dark moments where you think, wny an i— dark moments where you think, wny an i doing— dark moments where you think, why am i doing this? why is why am why am i doing this? why is why an i— why am i doing this? why is why an i penne— why am i doing this? why is why am i putting myself through this 7 wen.— am i putting myself through this 7 weu. ._ am i putting myself through this 7 well, i think— am i putting myself through this 7 well, i think the— am i putting myself through this ? 22c” am i putting myself through this ? well, i think the bigger issue was that i didn't go home. i mean, you just go out on the you know, go out, announce know, you go out, you announce you're doing you go out of you're doing it. you go out of the house and you don't really come back for months. and we do long contests the long leadership contests in the labour a long labour party. we like a long leadership contest. i don't think the public like that think the public like it that much, do. so it much, but but we do. and so it went on for a really long time and i just i wasn't at home. it was difficult. my little boy was very at the time and just very little at the time and just didn't where his mum didn't understand where his mum was. covid and was. but then covid hit and suddenly stopped. and was. but then covid hit and sudcwas stopped. and was. but then covid hit and sudcwas equally opped. and was. but then covid hit and sudcwas equally surrealand was. but then covid hit and sudcwas equally surreal because that was equally surreal because we were still in the contest, but we were all sitting in our houses. so it was just a houses. so yeah, it was just a very weird time. so many women like myself— very weird time. so many women like myself have— very weird time. so many women like myself have stood— wig c so many women like myself have stood for the weeeenenp— like myself have stood for the leadership of— like myself have stood for the leadership of labour party. leadership of the labour party. wene— leadership of the labour party. none-newe— leadership of the labour party. none-have come- leadership of the labour party. none have come close , is none of them have come close, is it? none of them have come close, is we w— none of them have come close, is we w eon— none of them have come close, is we w pen of— none of them have come close, is it? i sort of feel— none of them have come close, is it? i sort of feel ridiculous. wn — it? i sort of feel ridiculous. in e— it? i sort of feel ridiculous. i'm a stumbling- it? i sort of feel ridiculous. i'm a stumbling because i think now— i'm a stumbling because i think new new— i'm a stumbling because i think how many times— i'm a stumbling because i think how many times i've said, do you wink— how many times i've said, do you wwnw w— how many times i've said, do you wwnw i even— how many times i've said, do you think i ever will— how many times i've said, do you think i ever will be— how many times i've said, do you think i ever will be a woman tenden— think i ever will be a woman tender of— think i ever will be a woman

leader of the _ think i ever will be a woman leader of the labour party? weeewee— leader of the labour party? weeewee w— leader of the labour party? because it is— leader of the labour party? because it is literally now epeww— because it is literally now absurd, isn't— because it is literally now absurd, isn't it?- because it is literally now absurd, isn't it? well, it's pnewy— absurd, isn't it? well, it's pretty existential for us, i nip,— pretty existential for us, i think, because- pretty existential for us, i think, because we're the party we— think, because we're the party we wee— think, because we're the party we ,— think, because we're the party we , yew— think, because we're the party that was , you know, i joined the that was, you know, i joined the pepper— that was, you know, i joined the pepper wewy— that was, you know, i joined the pepper wewy ee— that was, you know, i joined the labour party as much because i pewewe— labour party as much because i pewewe p..— labour party as much because i believe in equality— labour party as much because i believe in equality and against discrimination— believe in equality and against discrimination as— believe in equality and against discrimination as because i want to discrimination as because i want we flew— discrimination as because i want we new peweny— discrimination as because i want to fight poverty and because i pewewe— to fight poverty and because i pewewe ene— to fight poverty and because i believe and know— to fight poverty and because i believe and know that this country— believe and know that this eewnwy en— believe and know that this country can be— believe and know that this country can be better. ' 2 country can be better. and so we— country can be better. and so we e— country can be better. and so we e we— country can be better. and so we e we e— country can be better. and so it's a it's a huge deal for us. of course it is. and i think there will be a leader, a leader at some point who's a woman. but i think there's a problem. and i think that i've got a bit of an insight into it, having been through that experience and also been encouraged by lots of the women stood very women who'd stood before, very good who never made it. i good women who never made it. i think the problem is that when people look for the next leader of the labour party, they've got in their mind add a view about what that is based on, what it's always been. i felt that very much when i went for selection here in wigan in 2010. we'd never a woman mp here in the never had a woman mp here in the whole of parliamentary whole history of parliamentary democracy were democracy and people were looking for the next mp. they

were looking the next guy, were looking for the next guy, the next older guy who could do it. i think that was the it. and i think that was the problem actually. there were a lot members who said to me, lot of members who said to me, you don't look like prime you don't look like a prime minister you don't look like a leader the party. and leader of the labour party. and i exactly what meant. i knew exactly what they meant. and it's depressing . but the and it's depressing. but the young women in particular won't have it. and there are lots of young women in our party now who are starting to change the game. they're not just changing how they they're also they vote, but they're also perceptions of what a leader should be should look like should be and should look like and they should behave. and how they should behave. but they're changing their they're also changing their parents and their parents views and their grandparent views. and so i think that's changing. i think it's shifting. but it takes it takes more women at the top of politics. that's why i mean, you and i have talked about this before, but i have such admiration for people like tessa jowell, who is my mentor. when i first elected and the women first got elected and the women who that because who blazed that trail because without them, don't think i'd without them, i don't think i'd be this. and think for be doing this. and i think for my generation, that's what we've got do. got to hand got to do. we've got to hand

this on better state so this on in a better state so that at some point and i want us to win the next general election, i want us to be in power long enough to sort power for long enough to sort out very real problems that out the very real problems that this got. at this country has got. but at some point my lifetime , we've some point in my lifetime, we've got a woman that in got to have a woman in that in that do you think maybe that role. do you think maybe the male colleagues should say , the male colleagues should say, i'm sit this one i'm going to sit this next one out that is? might be out whenever that is? might be a decade out whenever that is? might be a eeeeee ene— out whenever that is? might be a eeeeee ene w— out whenever that is? might be a decade and it might— out whenever that is? might be a decade and it might be- 57 might be a decade and it might be five. we wen-w— decade and it might be five. we wen-w-wnewe— decade and it might be five. we don't-what's going- don't know what's going to neppen— don't know what's going to happen election. we happen at next election. we wen-w— happen at next election. we wen-w-wne- happen at next election. we don't-long keir. happen at next election. we- don't-long keir starmer don't know how long keir starmer is don't know how long keir starmer we gone— don't know how long keir starmer we going we— don't know how long keir starmer we gene we we— don't know how long keir starmer is going to be leader, but newewen— is going to be leader, buti however- should is going to be leader, but- however- should the however long it is, should the newe— however long it is, should the newe-wne— however long it is, should the newe-wne-pew- however long it is, should the male who got their male mps who have got their enpwwne— male mps who have got their ambitions-i'm- male mps who have got their ambitions i'm going to sit ambitions say, i'm going to sit ewe— ambitions say, i'm going to sit me one— ambitions say, i'm going to sit ewe ewe— ambitions say, i'm going to sit this one out because that's the ony— this one out because that's the only-were— this one out because that's the enwy-we-ne going- this one out because that's the only we're going to only way we're going to get a woman?iwell,_ only way we're going to get a woman?iwell,ithink- only way we're going to get a woman? "

know, a lot of us just decided, well, there's a woman on the well, if there's a woman on the ballot, i'm to vote for ballot, i'm going to vote for her. people said, well, her. and people said, well, that's nonsense, because you that's nonsense, because as you know, you've got to vote for the best for the but we best person for the job. but we got nicky chairing the got nicky morgan chairing the treasury committee. we've treasury select committee. we've got rachel reeves doing bays. we had committee . we had the business committee. we had the business committee. we had yvette cooper doing home affairs. tell me that affairs. you can't tell me that there are men better than them in parliament. you know, they're top they're top of their game. they're really and it's what, you really good. and it's what, you know, you can't tell me that there's never been woman there's never been a woman before me was good enough before me that was good enough to wigan. just to represent wigan. it's just that didn't vote that people didn't didn't vote for public will, but the for it. the public will, but the problem more that the problem is more that the perception within political parties that the public won't parties is that the public won't wear it. will they? will. we've seen we've had of women seen it. we've had lots of women prime ministers now, and i think we've just got vote for we've just got to vote for women. okay, right. let's do a bit women. okay, right. let's do a pew—yew- women. okay, right. let's do a pw—yew wee, bit more personal. so your dad, ne-e— bit more personal. so your dad, ne-e eewee— bit more personal. so your dad, he's called deepak. he is from ne-e— he's called deepak. he is from we newn— he's called deepak. he is from he's indian and— he's called deepak. he is from he's indian and he married your wnwe— he's indian and he married your wnwe mn— he's indian and he married your wnwe .— he's indian and he married your white mum . yeah.— he's indian and he married your white mum . yeah. this was in white mum. yeah. this was in wee. — white mum. yeah. this was in wee. se—

white mum. yeah. this was in wee. so e— white mum. yeah. this was in wee. so e very— white mum. yeah. this was in 1972. so a very about my family neweny— 1972. so a very about my family neweny wen— 1972. so a very about my family neweny wen i— 1972. so a very about my family history than i do.— 1972. so a very about my family history than i do. a— 1972. so a very about my family history than i do. a very different,— history than i do. a very different, weird, very different wne— different, weird, very different the ef— different, weird, very different the of nee— different, weird, very different time of race relations in this country.— time of race relations in this eewnwy. wney— time of race relations in this country. they must have gone wnnewpn— country. they must have gone wnnewen w.— country. they must have gone wnnewpn w. ._ country. they must have gone through it. i mean, it was it pnewy— through it. i mean, it was it pnewy w— through it. i mean, it was it was pretty it wasn't completely nnowkn— was pretty it wasn't completely unknown ew— was pretty it wasn't completely unknown at that— was pretty it wasn't completely unknown at that time, but it was pnewy— unknown at that time, but it was pnewy nueuk— unknown at that time, but it was pnewy kunueue. — unknown at that time, but it was pretty unusual. ' 2 unknown at that time, but it was pretty unusual . ' 2 unknown at that time, but it was pretty unusual. “2 unknown at that time, but it was pretty unusual . ' 2 pretty unusual. and my mum says still, she's still got some of the letters. actually, people wrote her letters because in the days when you would i think people still do this sometimes, but you announce in the but you would announce in the newspaper were getting newspaper you were getting married wrote to her married and people wrote to her and of your children and said, think of your children and said, think of your children and cant and said, think of your children and can't do this . it was, and you can't do this. it was, you more, more sort of you know, more, more sort of kindly concerned than anything else was it was you else. but it was it was you know, it was very, very real and very prevalent. and when they she tells a story about when they went to buy a house and she'd , they moving to she'd gone, they were moving to manchester looked manchester and they looked around gone up first around for she'd gone up first to look for houses, seeing lots of lovely houses, gone back and said to my dad, this is great. they were moving from london. so, excited. so, you know, really excited. they could buy an actual house.

they could buy an actual house. they could buy an actual house. they could afford . and they went they could afford. and they went back with my dad and the estate agent said, i'm afraid we haven't got anything to show you at the moment. and there was there a lot of that. it was there was a lot of that. it was what my dad into the race what led my dad into the race relations he was an relations world. he was an academic. he was english academic. he was an english lecturer. know, if lecturer. but he, you know, if you can't go to the pub with your staging a sit your wife without staging a sit in, you get involved. in, you have to get involved. and he did. and he got and so he did. and he got involved in race relations and he those fights all his he fought those fights all his life. so interesting talking to you because you're very when everi you because you're very when ever i try to get to a personal question, you sort of move it to somebody else. what does being half somebody else. what does being new known— somebody else. what does being half indian mean— somebody else. what does being half indian mean to— 2 what does being half indian mean to you? it's inpowenw— half indian mean to you? it's inponenw wo— half indian mean to you? it's important to me. c half indian mean to you? it's important to me. it's part of my identity. there's lots of bits of my identity that matter to me. i'm a monk by birth. i'm a wiganer by choice. i'm half indian and proud of it. indian and very proud of it. i've to india a few times. i've been to india a few times. i've been to india a few times. i don't, you know, don't claim to be sort of expert on the to be a sort of expert on the culture, but i'm really i'm proud of and i think, proud of it. and i think, you know, being being mixed race growing race in the growing up, mixed race in the 19805, growing up, mixed race in the 1980s, shape a lot. it

1980s, did shape me a lot. it was ever an issue in was never, ever an issue in manchester where i was growing up. in manchester and up. i grew up in manchester and then in lancashire and it then later in lancashire and it was never an issue. you know, it was never an issue. you know, it was an issue in national politics. and i remember that i remember lots of conservative politicians in particular talking about how people like my dad were coming into the country and were being swamped. i remember the stuff they had to say about single mums because my parents divorced and i had two very loving parents, but i lived in a one parent household and i remember how much we absorbed that as a kid, know, as kids that as a kid, you know, as kids that as a kid, you know, as kids that i remember once walking out the with my breakfast all the door with my breakfast all down my jumper as usual, and my mum saying to me, you can't do that. can't that . we have that. we can't do that. we have to be better than that because people are looking us and it people are looking at us and it was there. and i think was always there. and so i think thatis was always there. and so i think that is partly why i'm in politics, because i knew that the country was better than that, because were that, because my friends were better that. our community better than that. our community was that. you was better than that. and, you know, sometimes i see, you know, some of these young england

football stuff they have to football and stuff they have to put how amazing put up with, but how amazing they are and how they look like they are and how they look like the britain that i you know, that team looks like britain that team looks like the britain that team looks like the britain that and understand. and that i know and understand. and i country could be so i think this country could be so amazing if we a government amazing if we had a government that was as as people that was as good as the people in all right. okay final in it. all right. okay final question. you're- in it. all right. okay final question. you're a- " c 2 final question. you're a mum. you've pow— question. you're a mum. you've eow en— question. you're a mum. you've pow en ewnw— question. you're a mum. you've pow en ekpnw yeen— question. you're a mum. you've got an eight year old son. are you— got an eight year old son. are you ewnowe— got an eight year old son. are you ewnewe — got an eight year old son. are you strict? oh,— got an eight year old son. are you strict? c3" c122 got an eight year old son. are you strict? c3" c22 you strict? oh, god, no, no, i'm terrible. so because i'm a bit well, you know this, but i try to be very professional . but well, you know this, but i try to be very professional. but i'm a bit of a kid and i like to have fun . and so i am not. the have fun. and so i am not. the discipline person in our house. i'm often the person that's being told off as well . we got being told off as well. we got him a nintendo switch during the pandemic , like more as a way to pandemic, like more as a way to keep us sane than than to entertain him to be honest and i was on it so much that in the end i had to get my own because it was causing rousing the house. it's every evening my husband will come in and say, just both of you get off the switch. so no, no, probably not.

oh, god , this is awful. i'm oh, god, this is awful. i'm going to get people writing in saying you're a terrible mother . no, i. ithink saying you're a terrible mother . no, i. i think that's a really enoeennp— . no, i. i think that's a really endearing story— . no, i. i think that's a really endearing story. _ no, i. i think that's a really endearing story . c12» 2 f endearing story. going back to play endearing story. going back to play on the switch now, you made me two years for this me work two years for this interview, can see why. interview, and you can see why. because you asked me questions like that . delightful. thank like that. delightful. thank you,— like that. delightful. thank you wee— like that. delightful. thank you, lisa nandy— like that. delightful. thank you, lisa nandy .- c delightful. thank you, lisa nandy . thank you. you, lisa nandy. thank you. conning— you, lisa nandy. thank you. conning up.— you, lisa nandy. thank you. coming up, former- you, lisa nandy. thank you. coming up, former cabinet minister peter lilley doesn't quite feel like 1997. it's somewhere between - 2c ”22c c it" it's somewhere between 1992 quite feel like 1997. it's- somewhere between 1992 where quite feel like 1997. it's— somewhere between 1992 where we wnoupnw— somewhere between 1992 where we wnoupnw we— somewhere between 1992 where we enoupnw we wee— somewhere between 1992 where we thought we were going to lose. ano— thought we were going to lose. one one— thought we were going to lose. one eno— thought we were going to lose. and one and 97— thought we were going to lose. and one and 97 where we knew we going— and one and 97 where we knew we pone wo— and one and 97 where we knew we were going to lose— and one and 97 where we knew we were going to lose and lost. so i were going to lose and lost. so k eon-w— were going to lose and lost. so k oonw know— were going to lose and lost. so i don't know what— were going to lose and lost. so i don't know what it's going to pum— i don't know what it's going to turn out— i don't know what it's going to turn ouw new— i don't know what it's going to turn out next time. it could ewknp— turn out next time. it could swing ene— turn out next time. it could ewknp wne ee— turn out next time. it could swing the 92 way if we're lucky. conning— swing the 92 way if we're lucky. conning up.— swing the 92 way if we're lucky. coming up, conservative- swing the 92 way if we're lucky. coming up, conservative mp duncan baker lost virtually all of the sight in my left eye. and, you know, you justyget and, you know, you just get on wwn — and, you know, you just get on wwn pp,— and, you know, you just get on with life, gloria.— and, you know, you just get on with life, gloria. i'd never wekkeo— with life, gloria. i'd never talked about— with life, gloria. i'd never talked about it- with life, gloria. i'd never talked about it publicly. i just own-w— talked about it publicly. i just own-w newe— talked about it publicly. i just didn't have one— talked about it publicly. i just didn't have one eye. that didn't wonk— didn't have one eye. that didn't work very— didn't have one eye. that didn't work very wew— didn't have one eye. that didn't

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listening to gb news radio. peter lily, good to see you. e peter lily, good to see you. you a conservative - peter lily, good to see you. you a conservative mp- peter lily, good to see you. you a conservative mp from you were a conservative mp from wee— you were a conservative mp from me ww— you were a conservative mp from me ww eow. — you were a conservative mp from 1983 till 2017. you _ you were a conservative mp from 1983 till 2017. you were in the eewnew— 1983 till 2017. you were in the cabinet from _ 1983 till 2017. you were in the cabinet from 1993— 1983 till 2017. you were in the cabinet from 1993 to 1997. so in — cabinet from 1993 to 1997. so in neewy— cabinet from 1993 to 1997. so i'm really looking forward to pewwne— i'm really looking forward to pewnp youn— i'm really looking forward to getting your reflections on that period— getting your reflections on that period .— getting your reflections on that period . eo. — getting your reflections on that period . we. so— getting your reflections on that period . ed. so you served in the period. ed. so you served in the oewnewe— period. ed. so you served in the oewnewe oe— period. ed. so you served in the cabinets of margaret thatcher eno— cabinets of margaret thatcher enu yonn— cabinets of margaret thatcher and john major.— cabinets of margaret thatcher and john major. a very loyal thatcherite,_ and john major. a very loyal thatcherite, but— and john major. a very loyal thatcherite, but when the day came when she— thatcherite, but when the day came when she had to depart, the coneenewwe— came when she had to depart, the conservative party— came when she had to depart, the conservative party decided that this conservative party decided that we wee— conservative party decided that we no— conservative party decided that this was no longer tenable . you this was no longer tenable. you were one of the— this was no longer tenable. you were one of the cabinet nknkewene— were one of the cabinet ministers who- were one of the cabinet ministers who had to go in and ner— ministers who had to go in and nen eno— ministers who had to go in and see her and effectively tell her the see her and effectively tell her we gene— see her and effectively tell her we pene wee— see her and effectively tell her the game was up.— see her and effectively tell her the game was up. just take me newe— the game was up. just take me new knew— the game was up. just take me inside that room.— the game was up. just take me inside that room. _ the game was up. just take me inside that room. �*vw�*2;cc c inside that room. well, it was terrible because i hadn't discussed with any of my colleagues . i thought rather colleagues. i thought rather cynically and wrongly , that they cynically and wrongly, that they would all tell her. of course , would all tell her. of course, margaret, go for it, you know, and i wanted her to win , but and i wanted her to win, but knew that she probably wouldn't

. so i was probably excessively brutal and said i didn't think there was any way she could win there was any way she could win the second round. and she was obviously very shocked by this because i was her most loyal supporter and she'd had me in first to sort of get some momentum. and there was a silence and i said, you know , i silence and i said, you know, i would support her whatever she did . but i thought in her own did. but i thought in her own interest she shouldn't stand again. and i subsequently discovered that other members of the cabinet had said the same thing. if i'd known they were going to, i'd have been less brutal in what i said. i'd have softened the medicine. really? were there any tears? not then won— were there any tears? not then from -wnene— were there any tears? not then from -there were - were there any tears? not then from -there were when i were there any tears? not theni from -there were when she from her. there were when she finally and you can see finally left. and you can see that the picture of her that in the picture of her leaving parliament carrying a bouquet from people like me, which sent a copy of that which she sent a copy of that photo. and i have it proudly on my wall. so when margaret knewonen— my wall. so when margaret wnwe-go,— my wall. so when margaret thatcher. go, you - so when margaret thatcher go, you served in thatcher did go, you served in the thatcher did go, you served in we oewnew— thatcher did go, you served in the cabinet of— thatcher did go, you served in the cabinet of her— thatcher did go, you served in the cabinet of her successor as ooneewewwe— the cabinet of her successor as conservative leader and prime winkewen— conservative leader and prime winkewen-wne- conservative leader and prime minister. the cabinet minister. that was the cabinet of-mai'or— minister. that was the cabinet of-mai'or ,— minister. that was the cabinet of-mai'or , wno- minister. that was the cabinet of major , who during his of john major, who during his

pnenkenewp— of john major, who during his premiership things were very weewoue— premiership things were very weowoue p..— premiership things were very fractious in the— premiership things were very fractious in the conservative party— fractious in the conservative wewy oven— fractious in the conservative party over europe . he did a tv party over europe. he did a tv inwenwew— party over europe. he did a tv interview and— party over europe. he did a tv interview and when that tv knwenwew— interview and when that tv interview had— interview and when that tv interview had finished, he wnouenw— interview had finished, he enoupnw w— interview had finished, he thought it was— interview had finished, he thought it was speaking off the econo— thought it was speaking off the eeow wo— thought it was speaking off the record to the— thought it was speaking off the record to the journalist in pueewon.— record to the journalist in question. the— record to the journalist in question. the microphone was eww— question. the microphone was eww-eno— question. the microphone was still-and those— question. the microphone was still and those remarks that still on, and those remarks that yonn— still on, and those remarks that yonn peep-on— still on, and those remarks that john major made— still on, and those remarks that john major made became public. you wee— john major made became public. you were one of— john major made became public. you were one of the cabinet eepe— you were one of the cabinet eepe p..— you were one of the cabinet members in john major's powennnenw— members in john major's government labelled a the word ewewe— government labelled a the word ewewe wwn— government labelled a the word ewewe wwn w— government labelled a the word starts with b and— government labelled a the word starts with b and it ends in d, were— starts with b and it ends in d, were you— starts with b and it ends in d, were you deserving of that we — were you deserving of that title? well,— were you deserving of that title? well, my- were you deserving of that title? �*vw�*2;cc were you deserving of that title? were you deserving of that- title? well, my mother was very upset at the thought that her integrity being impugned . i integrity being impugned. i wasn't at all upset and subsequently , some months later subsequently, some months later i was summoned by john major after a cabinet meeting to discuss a joint press conference we were giving and there was an issue where another member of parliament had also accused his opponent of being an unmarried mother with five little boys and in came an official and said gave a bit of paper to john major and he said, oh, you better know this, peter. that mp

has finally agreed to apologise for calling the children of his opponent, but i said, prime minister, i didn't realise that was pejorative . it's the only was pejorative. it's the only time i've seen john major lost for words . do you keep in touch for words. do you keep in touch with john major? are you friends wwn. — with john major? are you friends with. no, i took it in good heart and we seem to get on terribly well in cabinet. but when i read his biography , which when i read his biography, which he autobiography sent me a copy, i he didn't really like i realised he didn't really like me . so there we are. does it me. so there we are. does it hurt at me. so there we are. does it nuw ew ew— me. so there we are. does it hurt at all when— me. so there we are. does it hurt at all when you- does it hurt at all when you read memoirs and— hurt at all when you read memoirs and you're in it and peopke— memoirs and you're in it and peopke ee— memoirs and you're in it and peopke now— memoirs and you're in it and people are not very kind? �*vw�*2;cc people are not very kind? well, you eon— people are not very kind? well, you new of— people are not very kind? well, you sort of kind— people are not very kind? well, you sort of kind ,_ people are not very kind? well, you sort of kind , but resentful. you sort of kind, but resentful. i mean, respect full but resentful. no, it doesn't worry me at all. in politics, you don't agree with everybody. i was just surprised. he seemed to take it a bit personal. the fact that we disagreed on some issues rather than it was just part of political life. can you have enenoe— political life. can you have enenoe p..— political life. can you have friends in politics? - c 22c c ”2; can you have friends in politics? /2»c c 2.2c c ”2; can you have friends in politics? /2»c. 22" friends in politics? you can. knu— friends in politics? you can. and none— friends in politics? you can. one of— friends in politics? you can. and some of my best friends are in politics, but my best, best

friends are outside politics. so so as i mentioned, you were ekeeweo— so as i mentioned, you were ekeeweo wo— so as i mentioned, you were elected to parliament in 1983. vou— elected to parliament in 1983. you eeeyeu— elected to parliament in 1983. you stayed until— elected to parliament in 1983. you stayed until 2017. - elected to parliament in 1983. you stayed until 2017. so- elected to parliament in 1983. you stayed until 2017. so you will have seen the rise and rise, really of the conservative party and then the demise of the conservative party. the arrival of tony blair and so many of your colleagues were gone in 1997. when then could you see that coming? and do you see any parallels today? it was certainly 27 it was certainly absolutely obvious . certainly absolutely obvious. wore— certainly absolutely obvious. wore wen— certainly absolutely obvious. wore wnen e— certainly absolutely obvious. more than a year before the ekeowon— more than a year before the election that— more than a year before the election that we— more than a year before the election that we were going to koee— election that we were going to koee. ._ election that we were going to koee. k knew— election that we were going to koee. . knew my— election that we were going to lose. i knew my officials knew. wwenypooy— lose. i knew my officials knew. wwenypoey knew— lose. i knew my officials knew. wwenypoey knew .— lose. i knew my officials knew. everybody knew . now it doesn't everybody knew. now it doesn't euwe— everybody knew. now it doesn't euwe week— everybody knew. now it doesn't quite feel like— everybody knew. now it doesn't quite feel like 1997. it's somewhere— quite feel like 1997. it's somewhere between 1992 where we wnoupnw— somewhere between 1992 where we wnoupnw we— somewhere between 1992 where we enoupnw we wee— somewhere between 1992 where we thought we were going to lose. ano— thought we were going to lose. one one— thought we were going to lose. one eno— thought we were going to lose. and one and 97— thought we were going to lose. and one and 97 where we knew we going— and one and 97 where we knew we pone wo— and one and 97 where we knew we were going to lose— and one and 97 where we knew we were going to lose and lost. so i were going to lose and lost. so k eon-w— were going to lose and lost. so k oonw know— were going to lose and lost. so i don't know which— were going to lose and lost. so i don't know which it's going to pum— i don't know which it's going to turn ouw— i don't know which it's going to turn ouw new— i don't know which it's going to turn out next time— i don't know which it's going to turn out next time it could swing— turn out next time it could swing ene— turn out next time it could ewknp wne ee— turn out next time it could swing the 92 way if we're lucky or

swing the 92 way if we're lucky 0.-pppepy,_ swing the 92 way if we're lucky 0.-ppp.py, ene— swing the 92 way if we're lucky or likely, the opinion or more likely, the opinion powe— or more likely, the opinion powe ww— or more likely, the opinion polls will be— or more likely, the opinion polls will be telling us eonewwnp— polls will be telling us something . - polls will be telling us something . �*j2» polls will be telling us something . j2» polls will be telling us- something . do you have any something. do you have any advice to the government , to the advice to the government, to the leadership, to make it a 1992 rather than a 1997? yeah. and thatis rather than a 1997? yeah. and that is governance for the long term. if you're seen to be doing winge— term. if you're seen to be doing wnnpe wnwn— term. if you're seen to be doing things which will— if you're seen to be doing things which will only come to wuwon— things which will only come to wuwon p..— things which will only come to fruition in future— things which will only come to fruition in future parliaments eno— fruition in future parliaments eno ney— fruition in future parliaments eno ney pe— fruition in future parliaments and may be unpopular now, the ekeowonewe— and may be unpopular now, the electorate will— and may be unpopular now, the electorate will respect you for knew— electorate will respect you for we end — electorate will respect you for that and they'll— electorate will respect you for that and they'll think, oh, wney-we— that and they'll think, oh, wney-we pow— that and they'll think, oh, they've got agenda, let's see that and they'll think, oh, ththrought agenda, let's see that and they'll think, oh, ththrough . agenda, let's see that and they'll think, oh, ththrough . if agenda, let's see that and they'll think, oh, ththrough . if you'reia, let's see that and they'll think, oh, ththrough . if you're just 3t's see that and they'll think, oh, ththrough . if you're just doing; it through. if you're just doing winge— it through. if you're just doing wwnee wo— it through. if you're just doing wnnpe wo wny— it through. if you're just doing things to try and— it through. if you're just doing things to try and minimise unpopuken— things to try and minimise unpopular rmt before the next ekeewon— unpopular rmt before the next ekeowon on— unpopular rmt before the next election or make— unpopular rmt before the next election or make yourself unpopuken— election or make yourself unpopular before the next ekeowon — unpopular before the next ekeowon ,— unpopular before the next election , the— unpopular before the next election , the electorate in this election, the electorate in this oounwy— election, the electorate in this country ee— election, the electorate in this eounwy very— election, the electorate in this country are very savvy . they'll country are very savvy. they'll wnnouen— country are very savvy. they'll see through that— country are very savvy. they'll see through that and they'll say,— see through that and they'll eey-wney-ne — see through that and they'll- say, -they're - done say, well, they're over and done wwn. — say, well, they're over and done wwn. -newe— say, well, they're over and done with. -have another- with. let's have another look. wore— with. let's have another look. wore-ween— with. let's have another look. more-peter lilley- with. let's have another look. more-peter lilley after. with. let's have another look. i more-peter lilley after the more from peter lilley after the break. the illegal immigration bill can have a tough time in the lords. it will have a tough une— the lords. it will have a tough time put— the lords. it will have a tough time puw pue— the lords. it will have a tough time, but but it— the lords. it will have a tough time, but but it will— 2 it will have a tough time, but but it will get wnnoupn— time, but but it will get through because if the lords wenelewop— through because if the lords were-stop the— through because if the lords were stop the measures to were to stop the measures to ewop— were to stop the measures to ewop ene— were to stop the measures to ewop wne poet— were to stop the measures to stop the boat people, that would be stop the boat people, that would we we — stop the boat people, that would we we end— stop the boat people, that would we we end of— stop the boat people, that would be the end of the— stop the boat people, that would be the end of the house of wowe- — be the end of the house of wowe- wnen— be the end of the house of lords. then it— be the end of the house of lords. then it would commit euwwe— lords. then it would commit euwwe eno— lords. then it would commit suicide and the— lords. then it would commit suicide and the public wouldn't

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people head to tric dawg .uk now and place your vote. wouldn't it . be so let's get the benefit of your wisdom of spending 34 years on those green benches. what has been the on those green benches. what has been wne peppeew— on those green benches. what has been the biggest change- 22“ 2 222" 2 what has been the biggest change in pokwwe— been the biggest change in pokwwe on— been the biggest change in politics or the— been the biggest change in politics or the role of an mp? wnew— politics or the role of an mp? wnew ow— politics or the role of an mp? wnew ow you— politics or the role of an mp? what did you witness change during— what did you witness change during wee— what did you witness change during that time? well, what i wwneeeeo— during that time? well, what i witnessed and— during that time? well, what i witnessed and it's clear to .v..,body,_ witnessed and it's clear to everybody, pue— witnessed and it's clear to everybody, but often ignored by commentators— everybody, but often ignored by commentators ,_ everybody, but often ignored by commentators , is,— everybody, but often ignored by commentators , is, is that commentators, is, is that eepe— commentators, is, is that eepe oe— commentators, is, is that members of parliament became muon— members of parliament became much more rebellious , much more much more rebellious, much more wwwne— much more rebellious, much more wwwne wo— much more rebellious, much more wwwne wo wowe— much more rebellious, much more willing to vote against the party— willing to vote against the peny wwp— willing to vote against the party whip in— willing to vote against the party whip in the 1950s. ’2;22; party whip in the 1950s. there wnoke— party whip in the 1950s. there were whole years— party whip in the 1950s. there were whole years where not a single mp voted against the party whip from 1970 onwards, each successive parliament more people voted for thousand voted against the recommendations of mrs. thatcher. during her 12 years, more than 6000 voted against tony blair during his 12 years each gets more rebellious,

and that's partly because of the development of the internet and emails as far more interaction between mps and their constituencies , constituents far constituencies, constituents far less party loyalty. so you're always feeling what will my constituents think about that rather than i've got to follow the party line . and that's the party line. and that's a good thing. up to a certain point. beyond a certain point, it means that we become ungovernable. lots it means that we become ungovernable . lots of people say ungovernable. lots of people say that ungovernable. lots of people say we ene— ungovernable. lots of people say that the political— c. 2 lots of people say that the political environment, the that the political environment, we epuee— that the political environment, the abuse directed at mps is eonewwne— the abuse directed at mps is something else. 2 something else. these days. but actually we us subject to a fair bit of abuse. in your time in the cabinet. yeah yes, it was fairly horrible— the cabinet. yeah yes, it was fairly horrible during- 222» “22" yes, it was fairly horrible during the back to basics— fairly horrible during the back to basics time— fairly horrible during the back to basics time when because of way— to basics time when because of way that— to basics time when because of some way that i— to basics time when because of some way that i think john major actually— some way that i think john major aaaaauy wa— some way that i think john major actually was referring to back to basics— actually was referring to back to basics in— actually was referring to back to basics in education. but it bask— to basics in education. but it came back to— to basics in education. but it came back to sort of personal morality— came back to sort of personal morality basics— came back to sort of personal morality basics and so everybody was morality basics and so everybody far— morality basics and so everybody far game— morality basics and so everybody was fair game and— morality basics and so everybody was fair game and they used to sauna my— was fair game and they used to come round my constituency knock on come round my constituency knock an my— come round my constituency knock an my neighbours— come round my constituency knock on my neighbour's doors, no any mah— on my neighbour's doors, no any was about—

on my neighbour's doors, no any filth about lilly?— on my neighbour's doors, no any filth about lilly? fortunately, my neighbours— filth about lilly? fortunately, my neighbours kept all the filth shay— my neighbours kept all the filth shay-assas— my neighbours kept all the filth they-about lilly- my neighbours kept all the filth they about lilly secrets. they knew about lilly secrets. so they knew about lilly secrets. sa—aaaa.- they knew about lilly secrets. sa—aaaa. way | they knew about lilly secrets.- so_right. wow wow. so that was all right. wow wow. ana— so that was all right. wow wow. ana rm— so that was all right. wow wow. and i'm interested— so that was all right. wow wow. and i'm interested in the job that you had for longest in government. that was social security— government. that was social security secretary— 3 that was social security secretary from 92 to 97. — security secretary from 92 to 97. you — security secretary from 92 to 97. you introduced incapacity assem— 97. you introduced incapacity benefit .— 97. you introduced incapacity benefit . that's— 97. you introduced incapacity benefit . that's money for people benefit. that's money for people was— benefit. that's money for people was can-a— benefit. that's money for people who can't work— benefit. that's money for people who can't work because they are sick— who can't work because they are sick or— who can't work because they are sick or disabled— who can't work because they are sick or disabled .— who can't work because they are sick or disabled . the number of sick or disabled. the number of saamaaas— sick or disabled. the number of claimants rose— sick or disabled. the number of claimants rose rapidly in the 905,— claimants rose rapidly in the 90s ana— claimants rose rapidly in the 90s and ass— claimants rose rapidly in the 90s, and one of— claimants rose rapidly in the 90s, and one of the accusations that— 90s, and one of the accusations that as— 90s, and one of the accusations that as made— 90s, and one of the accusations that is made about— 90s, and one of the accusations that is made about that period is that is made about that period as that— that is made about that period as that during— that is made about that period is that during a— that is made about that period is that during a time where the pass— is that during a time where the was sws— is that during a time where the pits were closed,— is that during a time where the pits were closed, for example , pits were closed, for example, wasn— pits were closed, for example, wasw was — pits were closed, for example, then the numbers— pits were closed, for example, then the numbers who went on incapacity— then the numbers who went on incapacity benefit— then the numbers who went on incapacity benefit rose and that a way— incapacity benefit rose and that a way was— incapacity benefit rose and that was a way that the government was»— was a way that the government was» as— was a way that the government was» as wssp— was a way that the government tried to keep the— was a way that the government tried to keep the unemployment wawss— tried to keep the unemployment wgwss aswsa— tried to keep the unemployment figures lower and— tried to keep the unemployment figures lower and it was a way to figures lower and it was a way as assass— figures lower and it was a way to massage the— figures lower and it was a way to massage the figures. do you says— to massage the figures. do you was any— to massage the figures. do you was any wack— to massage the figures. do you have any truck with that arawmswa— have any truck with that arawmsaa s — have any truck with that argument ? i- have any truck with that argument ? »22:2 2 have any truck with that argument? 222“ 2 2 have any truck with that- argument ? i don't think it was argument? i don't think it was ever deliberate it but it happened and it did mean statistics albie fewer people showed up as unemployed. but they weren't working. but by the

time i got there, unemployment was coming down. but the number of people on disability benefit was going up and it had trebled in a decade. and part of the reason was there was no objective medical test of what constituted utd being disabled and we introduced that and it was is expected to be hugely controversial . and indeed the controversial. and indeed the document i produced preparing for it, which i planned to send to the prime minister, was accidentally sent to the press exchange and it spelt out warts and all, the problems we were expecting. and when my official told me this, i thought it was a plot, but it wasn't. i realised that and actually it made it much easier because once i'd speh much easier because once i'd spelt it out, each successive interview i had to do and i had to do 18 over a weekend, sort of claw things back, became easier because people started phoning in and saying about time to the chap next door to me, trains for the olympic team and he's on incapacity benefit. and it was realised that there a of realised that there was a lot of abuse and id misuse of the

benefit . a more important when benefit. a more important when people were helped back into work , they welcomed it. it gave work, they welcomed it. it gave them a sense of dignity and self—respect at which languishing on disability benefit indefinitely would not have been to their advantage or to their happiness and well—being. final to their happiness and well—being . final question . you well—being. final question. you are well—being. final question. you an was— well—being. final question. you are now in the house— “9 final question. you are now in the house of lords, saw»— are now in the house of lords, was assass— are now in the house of lords, lord peter lilley. _ are now in the house of lords, lord peter lilley. if keir swarmsa— lord peter lilley. if keir starmer does- lord peter lilley. if keir starmer does become prime waists— starmer does become prime wawsasa :— starmer does become prime minister , he— starmer does become prime minister , he says he is minister, he says he is swapping— minister, he says he is scrapping the lot of you, the whats — scrapping the lot of you, the whole institution . what's the whole institution. what's the ass— whole institution. what's the ass asassw— whole institution. what's the best reason he— whole institution. what's the best reason he shouldn't do was— best reason he shouldn't do was — best reason he shouldn't do was wan.— best reason he shouldn't do that? well, it— best reason he shouldn't do that? 3222222 2 2“ 2 best reason he shouldn't do that? 3222222 2 2 2 that? well, it doesn't matter what the reasons are. he won't do it because it's been the plan ever since the legislation in 1912 to reform said it would be replaced by an elected assembly in due course. won't because in due course. it won't because the house commons won't stand the house of commons won't stand a chamber composed of a rival chamber composed of elected people just like them. the second 11 basically. but with the claims to an electoral mandate, who would conflict with them? and it would do away with something which the good argument for is it works. no one

would invent it, but it works as a revising chamber. it doesn't work when it becomes a campaigning chamber, which it did during brexit. but when it's revising legislation, when i was a of state and they a secretary of state and they revised my legislation, i'd first how dare they first think, how dare they suggest any changes to its perfect ? but almost every perfect? but almost every occasion i accepted their revisions because they were usually sensible. it's just struck usually sensible. it's just swwsw ms— usually sensible. it's just struck me since- usually sensible. it's just struck me since you- it'sjust struck me since you said that was—was- struck me since you said that the—the illegal. the immigration the illegal immigration— the immigration the illegal immigration bill that's gonna ways— immigration bill that's gonna ways a— immigration bill that's gonna ways a wash— immigration bill that's gonna have a tough time in the lords. it have a tough time in the lords. w wu— have a tough time in the lords. at will ways— have a tough time in the lords. at will have a— have a tough time in the lords. it will have a tough— have a tough time in the lords. it will have a tough time,- have a tough time in the lords. it will have a tough time, but it it will get through because if the lords were to stop the measures, to stop the boat people, that would be the end of the house of lords. then it would commit suicide. the public wouldn't that. peter wouldn't stand that. peter lilley fascinating- wouldn't stand that. peter lilley fascinating trip- 2“ 2 2 peter lilley fascinating trip down msmsay— lilley fascinating trip down msmsy l...— lilley fascinating trip down memory lane with you. ' 2 lilley fascinating trip down memory lane with you. ' “2 9:22 memory lane with you. and to get your— memory lane with you. and to get your thoughts on some of today's political thank you . political events to thank you. coming up, conservative mp duncan baker. people say you've changed their life. well, you haven't. they've _ 232 2 2 ”2; well, you haven't. they've changed our was—

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duncan baker, you were elected as a conservative mp at the last election in 2019, but you used to be a member of ukip, right up until 2016. why did you leave ukip? well it was really my stepfather that got me into it. i was never really politically aswws— i was never really politically aswws :— i was never really politically aswws : awa— i was never really politically active , but he— i was never really politically active , but he always was active, but he always was a wsay— active, but he always was a wsay, wsay— active, but he always was a wsay, wsy swans- active, but he always was a very, very strong advocate to asaws— very, very strong advocate to says was— very, very strong advocate to leave the european union. and i remember when— leave the european union. and i remember when he first sort of sw— remember when he first sort of came out with— remember when he first sort of came out with it— remember when he first sort of came out with it back in our lasa— came out with it back in our assa wwn:— came out with it back in our local town, people thought he was absolutely— local town, people thought he was absolutely bananas, you know:— was absolutely bananas, you know awa— was absolutely bananas, you know and as— was absolutely bananas, you know, and he got me into it and saw:— know, and he got me into it and saw: task:— know, and he got me into it and saw: task: yaw— know, and he got me into it and said, look, you know, i want the sswsastawy— said, look, you know, i want the sswsastaaaylmy— said, look, you know, i want the sovereignty my country sovereignty of my country back again. — sovereignty of my country back again. |waw— sovereignty of my country back again. |wawt my— sovereignty of my country back again. want my grandchildren again. i want my grandchildren to again. i want my grandchildren ts-a— again. i want my grandchildren as-a sswwwy— again. i want my grandchildren to-a country that- again. i want my grandchildren to a country that is to live in a country that is sass— to live in a country that is free-european. to live in a country that is- free-european union. free from the european union. i just— free from the european union. i just-wastag— free from the european union. i just-assays awa- free from the european union. i just helping and that free from the european union. i just where helping and that free from the european union. i just where the lping and that free from the european union. i just where the seed and that free from the european union. i just where the seed developed was where the seed developed fram— was where the seed developed was .— was where the seed developed was . awa— was where the seed developed from . andinever,_ was where the seed developed from . and never, ever from. and i never, ever anticipated— from. and i never, ever anticipated to- from. and i never, ever anticipated to be doing this asas— anticipated to be doing this asas wat— anticipated to be doing this rats that .— anticipated to be doing this role that i do— anticipated to be doing this role that i do now. but it all

saw— role that i do now. but it all salty-fram- role that i do now. but it all really-from those. really started from those campaigns— really started from those campaigns-asy- really started from those campaigns try and leave the campaigns to try and leave the swasasaw— campaigns to try and leave the european union.— campaigns to try and leave the european union. and after we aswswss— european union. and after we achieved the— european union. and after we achieved the referendum result, i achieved the referendum result, w-as— achieved the referendum result, w-ts sss— achieved the referendum result, w-ts sss-aws- achieved the referendum result, i-to see-and said,- achieved the referendum result, i to see and said, you i went to see him and said, you saw— i went to see him and said, you wwsw-w-m— i went to see him and said, you wwsw-w-m going- know, actually, i'm going to join— know, actually, i'm going to join was— know, actually, i'm going to join the conservative party assawss— join the conservative party because ithink— join the conservative party because think i'm going to because i think i'm going to at..— because i think i'm going to aaws-w— because i think i'm going to take-in-directionl take this in a new direction was— take this in a new direction was a— take this in a new direction was a saw— take this in a new direction with a party feel i can with a party that i feel i can be with a party that i feel i can ass-sf— with a party that i feel i can as-sf far— with a party that i feel i can be-of for-future.- with a party that i feel i can be of for future. he be part of for the future. he waslaw— be part of for the future. he waslbit upset— be part of for the future. he waslbit upset at- be part of for the future. he was bit upset at the time, was was a bit upset at the time, was ass— was a bit upset at the time, was ass as— was a bit upset at the time, was ass as was— was a bit upset at the time, was he? he was, but— was a bit upset at the time, was he? he was, but he'd been a conservative— he? he was, but he'd been a conservative himself before he sat— conservative himself before he asst-ss— conservative himself before he asft-ss ss— conservative himself before he left so he couldn't he left the ukip, so he couldn't he sswsw-t— left the ukip, so he couldn't he sswsw-t say— left the ukip, so he couldn't he couldn't say-much.- left the ukip, so he couldn't he couldn't say much. ' “2 2 couldn't say too much. and your stepfather— couldn't say too much. and your stepfather obviously stepfather was obviously a huge influence politically. influence on you politically. but you him, didn't you? but you lost him, didn't you? saw— but you lost him, didn't you? saw ysaw.— but you lost him, didn't you? wsaa, ysaw. — but you lost him, didn't you? wsaa, ysaa. w— but you lost him, didn't you? yeah, yeah. “ but you lost him, didn't you? yeah, yeah. 22 yeah, yeah. i mean, incredibly sad story, he ran sad story, really. he ran a family business back in north norfolk that is very well known . and the first day i went to work for him, he said, you know, you're not going home at 5:00. when the lights go out, you're going back out into the community. a community community. we're a community business expect go community. we're a community busi do .s expect go community. we're a community busi do what expect go community. we're a community busi do what i'velpect go community. we're a community busi do what i've done go community. we're a community busi do what i've done for go community. we're a community busi do what i've done for the ]o and do what i've done for the last years, which is help the last 40 years, which is help the community around and that community around you. and that was where this politics came from. but it wasn't with a party. to genuinely go party. it was to genuinely go and area that you were and serve the area that you were born raised after born and raised in. and after ten gloria, said to

ten years, gloria, i said to him, you know what? i love him, do you know what? i love doing this much. i think i'm doing this so much. i think i'm going to try and run to become the mp. the sad thing was he passed away sadly five passed away very sadly just five months elected . and months before i was elected. and in speech, i stood in my maiden speech, i stood there in his shoes, wearing his watch. feet really hurt watch. my feet really hurt because feet were smaller because his feet were smaller than mine and paid testament than mine and paid a testament to the who had unwittingly to the man who had unwittingly set me on this path but never got see achieve it . why got to see me achieve it. why was it important to you to wear his shoes ? and what? well it was his shoes? and what? well it was his shoes? and what? well it was his aasswts— his shoes? and what? well it was his absolute dream— his shoes? and what? well it was his absolute dream to— “ 2 and what? well it was his absolute dream to leave the swasasaw— his absolute dream to leave the european union. _ his absolute dream to leave the european union. 2; “22 :2.“ his absolute dream to leave the european union. 2; “22 2.“ 222.2; european union. he had run twice to become an mp himself, but hadnt to become an mp himself, but hadn't managed to get yes , for hadn't managed to get yes, for ukip. he got 8000 votes in 2015. the ironically , he stopped the the ironically, he stopped the conservative winning. so i might not have been here if that had happened, but i just thought it was a nice touch to have a piece of him with me that day and hopefully was looking down. hopefully he was looking down. now let's talk about the sight tass— now let's talk about the sight asss yaw— now let's talk about the sight loss you suffered _ now let's talk about the sight loss you suffered as a child. wha— loss you suffered as a child. what happened— loss you suffered as a child. what happened was the result of an asassws— what happened was the result of

an asasswa. a— what happened was the result of an accident. a football accident? _ an accident. a football accident? 24:22“ we think that accident? yeah. we think that wasn— accident? yeah. we think that wwsw w— accident? yeah. we think that wwsw a was— accident? yeah. we think that when i was about— accident? yeah. we think that when i was about 8— accident? / we think that when i was about 8 or 9 years old:— when i was about 8 or 9 years old, twat-s— when i was about 8 or 9 years old, that's the _ when i was about 8 or 9 years old, that's the earliest memory we old, that's the earliest memory ws was. — old, that's the earliest memory ws was. t— old, that's the earliest memory ws was. a was— old, that's the earliest memory we had. i was hit— old, that's the earliest memory we had. i was hit in the head as you— we had. i was hit in the head as ysw as— we had. i was hit in the head as yaw playing— we had. i was hit in the head as you are playing sport with your faswss— you are playing sport with your faswss w— you are playing sport with your friends in the— you are playing sport with your friends in the school, on the sshssa— friends in the school, on the school pitches— friends in the school, on the school pitches and it was quite awwasw— school pitches and it was quite awwasw awa— school pitches and it was quite a whack and then— school pitches and it was quite a whack and then a few weeks aaasa— a whack and then a few weeks was. yaw— a whack and then a few weeks later, you know,— a whack and then a few weeks later, you know, little boys are sitting— later, you know, little boys are sitting assas— later, you know, little boys are sitting there and— later, you know, little boys are sitting there and i— later, you know, little boys are sitting there and i can see with was— sitting there and i can see with was sys— sitting there and i can see with was sys awa— sitting there and i can see with was sys ass a— sitting there and i can see with this eye and i can— sitting there and i can see with this eye and i can see with that eve— this eye and i can see with that sys awa— this eye and i can see with that sys ass a— this eye and i can see with that sys ass a saw.— this eye and i can see with that eye and i said, i— this eye and i can see with that eye and i said, i can't see anything— eye and i said, i can't see anything with— eye and i said, i can't see anything with the left eye. and i'd anything with the left eye. and as w— anything with the left eye. and i'd i remember— anything with the left eye. and i'd i remember going home that night— i'd i remember going home that night awa— i'd i remember going home that night and saying— i'd i remember going home that night and saying to mum , mum, night and saying to my mum, mum, i night and saying to my mum, mum, w-swa— night and saying to my mum, mum, w-sw sf— night and saying to my mum, mum, w-sw at my— night and saying to my mum, mum, w-sm at my ass- night and saying to my mum, mum, i-out of my left eye.- i can't see out of my left eye. ams— i can't see out of my left eye. ans-sas— i can't see out of my left eye. ans-saw ts— i can't see out of my left eye. and-said to me,- i can't see out of my left eye. and said to me, cecilia and and she said to me, cecilia and as we were driving— and she said to me, cecilia and as we were driving along the asas.— as we were driving along the sad: sas— as we were driving along the sad: sms was— as we were driving along the road, she was pulling and road, she was pulling closer and swas— road, she was pulling closer and sasssalms— road, she was pulling closer and closer-the car— road, she was pulling closer and closer-the car in— road, she was pulling closer and closer the car in front closer to the car in front sayma. — closer to the car in front sayma. assas— closer to the car in front saying, read number saying, read the number plate. ams— saying, read the number plate. ans-virtually.- saying, read the number plate. and-virtually, you- saying, read the number plate. and virtually, you know, and she was virtually, you know, bumper— and she was virtually, you know, bumper-bumper— and she was virtually, you know, bumper bumper with this car bumper to bumper with this car in bumper to bumper with this car m—sata— bumper to bumper with this car m—sas. .— bumper to bumper with this car in_said, i can't- bumper to bumper with this car in_said, i can't see. in front and i said, i can't see it. in front and i said, i can't see is ss— in front and i said, i can't see is ss ws— in front and i said, i can't see it. so we rushed— in front and i said, i can't see it. so we rushed to- in front and i said, i can't see it. so we rushed to the sawaams— it. so we rushed to the opticians the- it. so we rushed to the opticians the next day. they tmmsstatsty— opticians the next day. they immediately-to- opticians the next day. they- immediately-to hospital. immediately took me to hospital. i immediately took me to hospital. a was— immediately took me to hospital. a was a— immediately took me to hospital. a was a couple— immediately took me to hospital. i had a couple of— immediately took me to hospital. i had a couple of operations. i was— i had a couple of operations. i was a— i had a couple of operations. i had a detached— i had a couple of operations. i had a detached retina, lost wmwauy— had a detached retina, lost virtually all— had a detached retina, lost virtually all of— had a detached retina, lost virtually all of the sight in my ass— virtually all of the sight in my tsm sys.— virtually all of the sight in my assa sys. ams— virtually all of the sight in my left eye. and you— virtually all of the sight in my left eye. and you know, you just get sm— left eye. and you know, you just get an wim— left eye. and you know, you just get on with life.— left eye. and you know, you just get on with life. gloria i'd

never talked— get on with life. gloria i'd never talked about it publicly. i never talked about it publicly. wast— never talked about it publicly. ijust mam-a— never talked about it publicly. i just didn't have— never talked about it publicly. i just didn't have one eye that mam-t— i just didn't have one eye that mam-t wsm— i just didn't have one eye that didn't work very— i just didn't have one eye that didn't work very well. and it a as— didn't work very well. and it was a bit annoying at school assawss— was a bit annoying at school assawss yaw— was a bit annoying at school because you couldn't play hockey or because you couldn't play hockey sa-wmm— because you couldn't play hockey sa-wmm sa— because you couldn't play hockey or-with or rugby,- because you couldn't play hockey or with or rugby, which or football with or rugby, which i or football with or rugby, which a salty— or football with or rugby, which i really wanted _ or football with or rugby, which i really wanted do. but if i really wanted to do. but if yaw-s— i really wanted to do. but if ysw-s-ms— i really wanted to do. but if you'd-the sight- i really wanted to do. but if you'd the sight your you'd lost the sight in your mam— you'd lost the sight in your mama sys.— you'd lost the sight in your right eyes you— you'd lost the sight in your right eye, you really would be struggling— right eye, you really would be struggling m— right eye, you really would be struggling in life. so just got on struggling in life. so just got sm-ams— struggling in life. so just got sm-ams m— struggling in life. so just got on-and it wasn't- struggling in life. so just got on and it wasn't until i on with it and it wasn't until i saamss— on with it and it wasn't until i stamss doing— on with it and it wasn't until i started doing .job- on with it and it wasn't until i started doing job and started doing this job and i mmw— started doing this job and i mmw a— started doing this job and i mmw a sat— started doing this job and i think a lot of— started doing this job and i think a lot of the email work ama— think a lot of the email work and correspondence, particularly massa— and correspondence, particularly maswsm—myl through the pandemic, that my left through the pandemic, that my tsm sys— through the pandemic, that my left eye started _ through the pandemic, that my left eye started to get even worse from the— left eye started to get even worse from the 25% that i had. it worse from the 25% that i had. at was— worse from the 25% that i had. it was basically— worse from the 25% that i had. it was basically down to mamma— it was basically down to nothing. and— it was basically down to nothing. and at that point, i wsm— nothing. and at that point, i wsm bask— nothing. and at that point, i went back to— nothing. and at that point, i went back to the optician and i msw— went back to the optician and i msw w— went back to the optician and i msw a was— went back to the optician and i msw a was a— went back to the optician and i knew i had a very— went back to the optician and i knew i had a very dense cataract in knew i had a very dense cataract m mat— knew i had a very dense cataract m that ass— knew i had a very dense cataract in that left eye,— knew i had a very dense cataract in that left eye, but— knew i had a very dense cataract in that left eye, but the brain was— in that left eye, but the brain had switched _ in that left eye, but the brain had switched it— in that left eye, but the brain had switched it off. it had said , it had switched it off. it had said . w asssm-a— had switched it off. it had said , it doesn't work— had switched it off. it had said , it doesn't work anymore. you saw-t— , it doesn't work anymore. you sam-a sm— , it doesn't work anymore. you can't see out of— , it doesn't work anymore. you can't see out of it.— , it doesn't work anymore. you can't see out of it. and my left eye— can't see out of it. and my left sys mas— can't see out of it. and my left sys mas just— can't see out of it. and my left eye had just dropped to the side assawss— eye had just dropped to the side assawss ms— eye had just dropped to the side because the brain— eye had just dropped to the side because the brain switched it sm- — because the brain switched it sm- ss— because the brain switched it sm- ss msy— because the brain switched it off. so they said,— because the brain switched it off. so they said, well, actually.— off. so they said, well, actually, you - off. so they said, well, actually, you know, because yss— actually, you know, because yss tast— actually, you know, because you've lost all— actually, you know, because you've lost all your sight, mat-s— you've lost all your sight, mat-s m— you've lost all your sight, that's in emergency. so six mamas— that's in emergency. so six months later,— that's in emergency. so six months later, i— that's in emergency. so six months later, i had a cataract sasaawsm— months later, i had a cataract operation four— months later, i had a cataract operation four weeks ago, and as i

operation four weeks ago, and as a sa— operation four weeks ago, and as i sit asas— operation four weeks ago, and as i sit here talking— operation four weeks ago, and as i sit here talking to— operation four weeks ago, and as i sit here talking to you now , i sit here talking to you now, mat— i sit here talking to you now, that sawm— i sit here talking to you now, that squint that— i sit here talking to you now, that squint that had developed has absolutely— that squint that had developed has absolutely gone. i can see you— has absolutely gone. i can see ysw m— has absolutely gone. i can see yaw m mam— has absolutely gone. i can see you in front of— has absolutely gone. i can see you in front of me— has absolutely gone. i can see you in front of me and the mass— you in front of me and the mass at— you in front of me and the miracle of the— you in front of me and the miracle of the human brain that basically— miracle of the human brain that basically within— miracle of the human brain that basically within 24 hours it sas— basically within 24 hours it saw mat— basically within 24 hours it said that eye— basically within 24 hours it said that eye is— basically within 24 hours it said that eye is working. we wit— said that eye is working. we wttt stam— said that eye is working. we will start using— said that eye is working. we will start using it again. and i asmsmsaa my— will start using it again. and i remember my wife pulling the aamsaas— remember my wife pulling the aamsaas sm— remember my wife pulling the bandage off the— remember my wife pulling the bandage off the morning after the operation. _ bandage off the morning after the operation. one of my little stats— the operation. one of my little awts tsstms— the operation. one of my little girls looking over— the operation. one of my little girls looking over me saying, cam— girls looking over me saying, cam yaw— girls looking over me saying, cam ysw sss— girls looking over me saying, can you see me?— girls looking over me saying, can you see me? and i could wow , can you see me? and i could wow . ass.— can you see me? and i could wow . ass. yaw— can you see me? and i could wow . ass. ysw mam-t— can you see me? and i could wow , god, you didn't talk— can you see me? and i could wow , god, you didn't talk about it wmsm— , god, you didn't talk about it wmsm yaw— , god, you didn't talk about it wmsm ysw mas— , god, you didn't talk about it when you had the— , god, you didn't talk about it when you had the loss as when you— when you had the loss as when ysw tast— when you had the loss as when ysw tsst yaw— when you had the loss as when you lost your your— when you had the loss as when you lost your your vision in ma— you lost your your vision in that sys. — you lost your your vision in that sys. swa— you lost your your vision in that eye. but what is the difference on a day to day level of now having the vision back in that eye? well, in a much more sam— that eye? well, in a much more saw as— that eye? well, in a much more sort of peripheral— 22,272 well, in a much more sort of peripheral vision, asawss— sort of peripheral vision, because you— sort of peripheral vision, because you can see bits out of was— because you can see bits out of was stas— because you can see bits out of its sits at— because you can see bits out of this side of your— because you can see bits out of this side of your eye, which matss— this side of your eye, which matss a— this side of your eye, which matss a big— this side of your eye, which makes a big difference . the fact makes a big difference. the fact mat— makes a big difference. the fact that my— makes a big difference. the fact that my sys— makes a big difference. the fact that my sys mas— makes a big difference. the fact that my eye has switched off and had that my eye has switched off and was last— that my eye has switched off and had just developed— that my eye has switched off and had just developed a squint and had just developed a squint and was last— had just developed a squint and was iwst was— had just developed a squint and had just was looking over here, astwatty— had just was looking over here, astwatty. ysw — had just was looking over here, actually, you know, in my job

mass— actually, you know, in my job mass m— actually, you know, in my job was made it quite difficult talking— was made it quite difficult talking ts— was made it quite difficult talking to people, a real loss of confidence— talking to people, a real loss of confidence because you hadn't had of confidence because you hadn't was t.— of confidence because you hadn't was is ams— of confidence because you hadn't had it. and then— of confidence because you hadn't had it. and then suddenly , you had it. and then suddenly, you tmsw— had it. and then suddenly, you tmsw. .— had it. and then suddenly, you tmsw. . tmsw— had it. and then suddenly, you know, i know that— had it. and then suddenly, you know, i know that colleagues had massa— know, i know that colleagues had noticed, constituents had msttsss— noticed, constituents had. noticed _ polite noticed, constituents had- noticed _ polite to noticed they were too polite to saw— noticed they were too polite to asatty say— noticed they were too polite to really say anything about it. sm— really say anything about it. but-interviews- really say anything about it. but interviews as a year but it was interviews as a year ass— but it was interviews as a year as am— but it was interviews as a year ass am am— but it was interviews as a year ago on on television and my wife sayms— ago on on television and my wife sayma ts— ago on on television and my wife saymg ts ms— ago on on television and my wife saymg ts yaw— ago on on television and my wife saying to me, your eye has got so saying to me, your eye has got ss sas— saying to me, your eye has got ss sas .— saying to me, your eye has got ss sas . witt— saying to me, your eye has got so bad , will you— saying to me, your eye has got so bad , will you do something so bad, will you do something aaswt— so bad, will you do something aaswt w— so bad, will you do something aaswt w s— so bad, will you do something about it .7 which— so bad, will you do something about it ? which sort of so bad, will you do something about it? which sort of inspired me about it? which sort of inspired ms ts— about it? which sort of inspired ms s as— about it? which sort of inspired me to do something . and so now me to do something. and so now within— me to do something. and so now within faw— me to do something. and so now within four weeks,— me to do something. and so now within four weeks, it sort of assswsmma— within four weeks, it sort of recovering to _ within four weeks, it sort of recovering to the way it has has assa— recovering to the way it has has been incredible.— recovering to the way it has has been incredible. and, you know, the been incredible. and, you know, was sss— been incredible. and, you know, the surgeon who— been incredible. and, you know, the surgeon who operated on me is simia— the surgeon who operated on me is stmttaa ass.— the surgeon who operated on me is similar age. we've become msmss— is similar age. we've become msmss .— is similar age. we've become msmss . ws— is similar age. we've become friends . it's been— is similar age. we've become friends . it's been amazing, friends. it's been amazing, asatty— friends. it's been amazing, asatty good- — friends. it's been amazing, really good. 22 322; 22; really good. good. we're all pleased to hear that. now, you were the first mp to welcome ukrainian refugees into your home and mum and her son, are they still with you? yes. so what we did after- they still with you? yes. so what we did after it- 22 «22.7 yes. so what we did after it was 22 «»2»2.7 yes. so what we did after it was the 22 «»:2»2.7 yes. so what we did after it was the 3rd of what we did after it was the 3rd at april— what we did after it was the 3rd at aamt tast— what we did after it was the 3rd of april last year— what we did after it was the 3rd of april last year and it's an sasmsmss—

of april last year and it's an experience when— of april last year and it's an experience when people say yss— experience when people say you've changed _ experience when people say you've changed their life. well, you— you've changed their life. well, ysw swsm-t.— you've changed their life. well, you haven't. they've changed our life you haven't. they've changed our tms .— you haven't. they've changed our tms . sm— you haven't. they've changed our tms . swt ws— you haven't. they've changed our life . but we realise— you haven't. they've changed our life . but we realise very life. but we realise very swtstty— life. but we realise very swtstty ms— life. but we realise very quickly the war wasn't going to sma— quickly the war wasn't going to saw .— quickly the war wasn't going to saw . ams— quickly the war wasn't going to saw . ams ws— quickly the war wasn't going to end . and we sat— quickly the war wasn't going to end . and we sat down with them. end. and we sat down with them. they— end. and we sat down with them. msy assams— end. and we sat down with them. msy assams ysw— end. and we sat down with them. they became very close and we sat— they became very close and we saw .— they became very close and we saw . task.— they became very close and we saw . tsst. ws— they became very close and we said , look, we want to help you said, look, we want to help you . ws— said, look, we want to help you . ws sam-t— said, look, we want to help you . we don't know— said, look, we want to help you . we don't know how long it will be, . we don't know how long it will as. am— . we don't know how long it will as. am ws— . we don't know how long it will be, but we have— . we don't know how long it will be, but we have made a commitment— be, but we have made a commitment and we're not going to commitment and we're not going ts twsat— commitment and we're not going ts twsat mat— commitment and we're not going to break that commitment. so we sat— to break that commitment. so we saw ysw— to break that commitment. so we saw ysw am— to break that commitment. so we said you can either— to break that commitment. so we said you can either live with ams— said you can either live with us. and that's— said you can either live with us. and that's quite an intense we us. and that's quite an intense ws sam-t— us. and that's quite an intense ws sam-t saws— us. and that's quite an intense we don't have a— us. and that's quite an intense we don't have a big, big house. we we don't have a big, big house. ws saws— we don't have a big, big house. ws ways a— we don't have a big, big house. we have a four— we don't have a big, big house. we have a four bedroom, normally smat— we have a four bedroom, normally smat sam— we have a four bedroom, normally smat sam at— we have a four bedroom, normally normal sort of family home. and so normal sort of family home. and ss ws sata— normal sort of family home. and so we said, look,— normal sort of family home. and so we said, look, we— normal sort of family home. and so we said, look, we can either stay— so we said, look, we can either saay living— so we said, look, we can either stay living altogether or would you stay living altogether or would ysw tits — stay living altogether or would ysw tits ts — stay living altogether or would you like to have— stay living altogether or would you like to have your own space ams— you like to have your own space and freedom?— you like to have your own space and freedom? and— you like to have your own space and freedom? and they said , yes, and freedom? and they said, yes, we and freedom? and they said, yes, ws sam-t— and freedom? and they said, yes, ws sam-t wam— and freedom? and they said, yes, we don't want to— and freedom? and they said, yes, we don't want to be— and freedom? and they said, yes, we don't want to be far away aasm — we don't want to be far away aasm ysw. — we don't want to be far away mam ysw. ws— we don't want to be far away from you. we don't want to leave wsmm— from you. we don't want to leave wsmm namat— from you. we don't want to leave north norfolk. it's— from you. we don't want to leave north norfolk. it's very rural, mama.— north norfolk. it's very rural, stsma. ws— north norfolk. it's very rural, gloria. we don't— north norfolk. it's very rural, gloria. we don't have any bus tss— gloria. we don't have any bus routes where— gloria. we don't have any bus routes where i— gloria. we don't have any bus routes where i live or train stattsms— routes where i live or train stawsms ams— routes where i live or train stations and things. and anna, the stations and things. and anna, is mm— stations and things. and anna, the mum, can't— stations and things. and anna, the mum, can't drive . so it was the mum, can't drive. so it was asssmma— the mum, can't drive. so it was becoming difficult— the mum, can't drive. so it was becoming difficult for her to saws— becoming difficult for her to was msa— becoming difficult for her to have her own— becoming difficult for her to have her own space and freedom. so have her own space and freedom. ss ws— have her own space and freedom. ss ws att— have her own space and freedom. so we all worked— have her own space and freedom. so we all worked together and we mstass— so we all worked together and we mstass wssm— so we all worked together and we mstass msm get— so we all worked together and we helped them get a— so we all worked together and we helped them get a little flat of

wasta— helped them get a little flat of mast swm— helped them get a little flat of their own, were _ helped them get a little flat of their own, were a— helped them get a little flat of their own, were a mile down the asas— their own, were a mile down the sad ams— their own, were a mile down the sat and as— their own, were a mile down the road and as much— their own, were a mile down the road and as much as i possibly wssm— road and as much as i possibly wmsm t-m— road and as much as i possibly can when i'm back— road and as much as i possibly can when i'm back from london swsay— can when i'm back from london swsay wsstsmt— can when i'm back from london every weekend, we— can when i'm back from london every weekend, we try to get tsastmsa— every weekend, we try to get tsasmsa .— every weekend, we try to get tsasamsa . ws— every weekend, we try to get together . we always try to have together. we always try to have saass— together. we always try to have saass ams— together. we always try to have saass and ms— together. we always try to have space and the nicest thing about it space and the nicest thing about w is— space and the nicest thing about w is was— space and the nicest thing about it is the children,— space and the nicest thing about it is the children, you know, msy— it is the children, you know, msy as— it is the children, you know, msy att— it is the children, you know, they are all best— it is the children, you know, they are all best of friends. was— they are all best of friends. was assas— they are all best of friends. has there been— they are all best of friends. has there been a— they are all best of friends. has there been a particular moment the course of the moment over the course of the last particularly last year that particularly stands to you that has stands out to you that has affected you emotionally or person really about the experience ? yeah. i mean, last experience? yeah. i mean, last wswsmasa— experience? yeah. i mean, last wswsmasa ws— experience? yeah. i mean, last november we took— “22:72 yeah. i mean, last november we took blankets . and november we took blankets. and sam— november we took blankets. and sam at— november we took blankets. and sam at just— november we took blankets. and sort of just sleeping bags for sststsas— sort of just sleeping bags for sststsas sm— sort of just sleeping bags for soldiers on the— sort of just sleeping bags for soldiers on the front line . so soldiers on the front line. so amma— soldiers on the front line. so amma mas— soldiers on the front line. so anna had met— soldiers on the front line. so anna had met anna's the mum had msmss— anna had met anna's the mum had msmss m— anna had met anna's the mum had friends in ukraine— anna had met anna's the mum had friends in ukraine who were wsatma— friends in ukraine who were wsatms asa— friends in ukraine who were working for aid— friends in ukraine who were working for aid agencies. so she was brilliant,— working for aid agencies. so she was brilliant, great translator, stwtswsty— was brilliant, great translator, obviously, and— was brilliant, great translator, obviously, and was able to help us obviously, and was able to help ws wsat— obviously, and was able to help ws wsat wim— obviously, and was able to help us work with an _ obviously, and was able to help us work with an aid agency. so we us work with an aid agency. so ws tast— us work with an aid agency. so we took little— us work with an aid agency. so we took little svetec. he was amazing— we took little svetec. he was amazing .— we took little svetec. he was amazing . ysw— we took little svetec. he was amazing , you know. what is it amazing, you know. what is it tits— amazing, you know. what is it tits zoos— amazing, you know. what is it like 2000 miles— amazing, you know. what is it like 2000 miles just to get to wtaamss— like 2000 miles just to get to wtaamss ws— like 2000 miles just to get to ukraine? we drove over there in wamsw— ukraine? we drove over there in

wamsw ams— ukraine? we drove over there in transit vans and— ukraine? we drove over there in transit vans and he— ukraine? we drove over there in transit vans and he came with us to transit vans and he came with us ts sss— transit vans and he came with us ts ms— transit vans and he came with us ts ms sas— transit vans and he came with us to see his dad again. he hadn't ms— to see his dad again. he hadn't ms sas— to see his dad again. he hadn't seen his dad for— to see his dad again. he hadn't seen his dad for whatever it was:— seen his dad for whatever it was, six, six or— seen his dad for whatever it was, six, six or 6- seen his dad for whatever it was, six, six or 6 or 7 months. ss— was, six, six or 6 or 7 months. ss ms— was, six, six or 6 or 7 months. ss is got— was, six, six or 6 or 7 months. ss ms sat ts— was, six, six or 6 or 7 months. so he got to see— was, six, six or 6 or 7 months. so he got to see his dad, which wmsm— so he got to see his dad, which which obviously— so he got to see his dad, which which obviously anna got to see her which obviously anna got to see as mwsaams— which obviously anna got to see as mwsaams .— which obviously anna got to see her husband . and— which obviously anna got to see her husband . and i got to meet her husband. and i got to meet was— her husband. and i got to meet this mam— her husband. and i got to meet this wms— her husband. and i got to meet this man who we— her husband. and i got to meet this man who we didn't know. and was— this man who we didn't know. and wmsss ttwts— this man who we didn't know. and whose little boy— this man who we didn't know. and whose little boy we— this man who we didn't know. and whose little boy we were taking at — whose little boy we were taking at was — whose little boy we were taking at was .— whose little boy we were taking care of. and i struggled to talk aaswt— care of. and i struggled to talk aaswt w— care of. and i struggled to talk aaswt w msw— care of. and i struggled to talk about it now, but— care of. and i struggled to talk about it now, but that was sssaty— about it now, but that was deeply emotional . 2 “25 2 deeply emotional. it sounds it it sounds it. and— deeply emotional. it sounds it it sounds it. and we- deeply emotional. it sounds it it sounds it. and we can- deeply emotional. 2 2 2 2 “25 2 and we can hear it sounds it. and we can hear ms— it sounds it. and we can hear is smsttsm— it sounds it. and we can hear the emotion in— it sounds it. and we can hear the emotion in your- 2 “25 2 and we can hear the emotion in your voice. asatty— the emotion in your voice. really enjoyed— the emotion in your voice. really enjoyed getting to know you really enjoyed getting to know ysw tssay. — really enjoyed getting to know you today. thank— really enjoyed getting to know you today. thank you . duncan you today. thank you. duncan sawm— you today. thank you. duncan satsa. mant— you today. thank you. duncan baker, thank you— you today. thank you. duncan baker, thank you . thanks for baker, thank you. thanks for watchme— baker, thank you. thanks for watching. back— baker, thank you. thanks for watching. back next sunday at sass.— watching. back next sunday at sass. — watching. back next sunday at sass. stsata— watching. back next sunday at 6:00. gloria meets. - watching. back next sunday at 6:00. 21222 i~i»:2»:225 see you watching. back next sunday at 6:00. can” twice: see you then 6:00. gloria meets. see you then . heuo— 6:00. gloria meets. see you then . heuo again— 6:00. gloria meets. see you then . heuo again. — 6:00. gloria meets. see you then . hello again. i'm— 6:00. gloria meets. see you then . hello again . i'm stephen- . hello again. i'm stephen keates with your latest met office forecast. and we've got some patchy rain edging its way across parts of england and wales this evening. and tonight, a showers elsewhere. but wales this evening. and tonight, a skiesers elsewhere. but wales this evening. and tonight, a skies are lsewhere. but wales this evening. and tonight, a skies are clearing. but wales this evening. and tonight, a skies are clearing across where skies are clearing across northern britain and parts of northern we're turning northern ireland. we're turning quite behind quite chilly. that's behind this cold colder air mass. cold front in a colder air mass. this front, then slowly shuffling— this front, then slowly shuffling way further

shuffling its way further southeast— shuffling its way further southeast as— shuffling its way further southeast as the night, evening and— southeast as the night, evening and night— southeast as the night, evening and night goes— southeast as the night, evening and night goes on, not making it to the— and night goes on, not making it to the far— and night goes on, not making it to the far south—east until later— to the far south—east until later — to the far south—east until later so— to the far south—east until later on. so a— to the far south—east until later on. so a three way split then— later on. so a three way split then to— later on. so a three way split then to ttttt— later on. so a three way split then to start our— later on. so a three way split then to start our sunday evehhg,— then to start our sunday evening, clear- then to start our sunday evening, clear spells and a few eeweteh— evening, clear spells and a few showers-hatte— evening, clear spells and a few showers-parts of- evening, clear spells and a few showers parts of scotland showers across parts of scotland tht— showers across parts of scotland the—ttehtl and northern ireland. this front teeth—wet- and northern ireland. this front slowly way further slowly working its way further eetthetet— slowly working its way further southeast england southeast across england and thee— southeast across england and wees-eth— southeast across england and wales odd, heavier burst of wales, the odd, heavier burst of reh— wales, the odd, heavier burst of heeethte— wales, the odd, heavier burst of rain possible across parts of etethte— rain possible across parts of eastern england— rain possible across parts of eastern england a time into rain possible across parts of eas'early ngland a time into rain possible across parts of eas'early part�*nd a time into rain possible across parts of eas'early part of a time into rain possible across parts of eas'early part of monday.a into rain possible across parts of eas'early part of monday. damp the early part of monday. damp ente— the early part of monday. damp ends the— the early part of monday. damp ends the meth— the early part of monday. damp ends the night in— the early part of monday. damp ends the night in southeast thtttht— england. elsewhere, though, etettthg— england. elsewhere, though,- etettthg—we-ve clearing skies and where we've got clearing skies and where we've get—shee- clearing skies and where we've get—shes, tt-e- got those clear skies, it's going— got those clear skies, it's gehglhe— got those clear skies, it's gehglhe t— got those clear skies, it's going be a chilly old night, going to be a chilly old night, actuate.— going to be a chilly old night, actually. _ close i going to be a chilly old night,| actually._close to actually. temperatures close to freezing —ehete. l freezing in a few rural spots. hut— freezing in a few rural spots. but compensated for by but this compensated for by htehtt—tet- but this compensated for by htehty—tet htht plenty of sunshine for many htteee— plenty of sunshine for many htteee-the— plenty of sunshine for many places-the uk- plenty of sunshine for many places the uk start places across the uk to start the— places across the uk to start the he— places across the uk to start the new working— places across the uk to start the new working week. few the new working week. a few showers, breaking showers, though, breaking out the— showers, though, breaking out tutte-teteee- showers, though, breaking out quite across parts of quite quickly across parts of hettheth— quite quickly across parts of northern-and- quite quickly across parts of northern -and as. quite quickly across parts of northern and as the northern scotland. and as the day— northern scotland. and as the thy-we— northern scotland. and as the thy-we eee- northern scotland. and as the. day-we see-heating day goes on, we see the heating of day goes on, we see the heating et the— day goes on, we see the heating et the tat.— day goes on, we see the heating et the tet- se— day goes on, we see the heating of the day. so the— day goes on, we see the heating of the day. so the showers will treat— of the day. so the showers will hteth eut— of the day. so the showers will hteth out t— of the day. so the showers will break out a bit— of the day. so the showers will break out a bit more widely hatte— break out a bit more widely across parts eastern across parts of eastern semant— across parts of eastern scotland, the scotland, eastern england, the ete— scotland, eastern england, the ett—eettthtt- odd heavier ones certainly heeethte— odd heavier ones certainly possible-the- odd heavier ones certainly possible the west. that's possible for the west. that's where— possible for the west. that's where-get— possible for the west. that's where - got the - possible for the west. that's where got the best of the where we've got the best of the etheheh — where we've got the best of the sunshine. _muchl sunshine. lighter winds much eeeett— sunshine. lighter winds much cooler,-compared- sunshine. lighter winds much cooler, compared to what cooler, though, compared to what we've seen weekend. we've seen over the weekend. temperatures— temperatures mid to perhaps upper— temperatures mid to perhaps upper-teet- temperatures mid to perhaps upper best, driest in upper teens at best, driest in the— upper teens at best, driest in the-thth— upper teens at best, driest in the .with-lightest. the west with the lightest whee. — the west with the lightest. winds._continuing winds. so showers continuing theh— winds. so showers continuing then-montev—

winds. so showers continuing then monday evening then into monday evening for the— then into monday evening for tthe-tehthe- then into monday evening for time -tending to - then into monday evening for time tending to fade as time before tending to fade as we teee— time before tending to fade as we he the— time before tending to fade as we lose the heating of the day. meet— we lose the heating of the day. meet htteee— we lose the heating of the day. most places then _ we lose the heating of the day. most places then dry to take us to most places then dry to take us telthe— most places then dry to take us telthe ethy— most places then dry to take us tolthe early part— most places then dry to take us tolthe early part of- most places then dry to take us to the early part of tuesday to in the early part of tuesday ethe— to in the early part of tuesday tutte-etett— to in the early part of tuesday quite-clear skies.- to in the early part of tuesday quite clear skies. it's quite widely clear skies. it's going— quite widely clear skies. it's going-a— quite widely clear skies. it's gehg-t ethe- quite widely clear skies. it's going a quite chilly night going to be a quite chilly night wttetw— going to be a quite chilly night wttetw-the— going to be a quite chilly night widely the country. so widely across the country. so gettehete— widely across the country. so gardeners-be - widely across the country. so gardeners be aware, gardeners certainly be aware, tehhetttwee— gardeners certainly be aware, temperatures and cities temperatures in towns and cities wett— temperatures in towns and cities wett-ehete— temperatures in towns and cities well-single figures- well into single figures in twat—eth- rural areas not far off, freezing — rural areas not far off, freezing .— rural areas not far off, freezing , got- rural areas not far off, freezing , got some cloudier freezing, got some cloudier ehtee. — freezing, got some cloudier shes. the— freezing, got some cloudier skies. and the— freezing, got some cloudier skies. and the odd spot of rain eehhe— skies. and the odd spot of rain coming-northern- skies. and the odd spot of rain coming northern scotland. coming into northern scotland. that-e— that's a weak weather front whteh— that's a weak weather front which-pushing- that's a weak weather front which pushing way which we're pushing its way eewth— which we're pushing its way south,-through- south, fizzling through wednesday. - south, fizzling through wednesday. then wednesday. high pressure then tehthttet— wednesday. high pressure then dominated-parts- wednesday. high pressure then dominated parts of the dominated for many parts of the uk dominated for many parts of the wt through— dominated for many parts of the wt through the— dominated for many parts of the uk through the part of uk through the middle part of the-tew— uk through the middle part of the -few showers- uk through the middle part of the few showers within the week. a few showers within the,— the week. a few showers within the, though— the week. a few showers within this, though, but— the week. a few showers within this, though, but the whole,

it's 9:00 and this is a very eheettt— it's 9:00 and this is a very special mark— it's 9:00 and this is a very special mark dolan tonight in my ehhteh— special mark dolan tonight in my ehhteh te— special mark dolan tonight in my opinion, as labour— special mark dolan tonight in my opinion, as labour planned to give— opinion, as labour planned to give up— opinion, as labour planned to give up te— opinion, as labour planned to give up to e— opinion, as labour planned to give up to 6 million eu citizens living— give up to 6 million eu citizens the h— give up to 6 million eu citizens living in britain— give up to 6 million eu citizens living in britain ,_ give up to 6 million eu citizens living in britain , a— give up to 6 million eu citizens living in britain , a vote in the living in britain, a vote in the eehettt— living in britain, a vote in the general election— living in britain, a vote in the general election ,_ living in britain, a vote in the general election , the message is general election, the message is etett— general election, the message is etett vete— general election, the message is clear vote labour— general election, the message is clear vote labour get remain.

they— clear vote labour get remain. they went— clear vote labour get remain. they want we— clear vote labour get remain. they want us back— clear vote labour get remain. they want us back in- clear vote labour get remain. they want us back in mae muller meets guest is top government minister paul scully. i'll be asking could a tory- " f i'll be asking could a tory civil war he— asking could a tory civil war he thht — asking could a tory civil war lose rishi sunak— asking could a tory civil war lose rishi sunak the keys to whether— lose rishi sunak the keys to number toe— lose rishi sunak the keys to number 10.7 tonight's newsmaker is number 10.7 tonight's newsmaker tewhh— number 10.7 tonight's newsmaker is ann widdecombe with a number of is ann widdecombe with a number et tteht— is ann widdecombe with a number et hght wing— is ann widdecombe with a number of right wing parties coming not just ceme— of right wing parties coming not just come together because we're all just come together because we're at tethe— just come together because we're at tehe the— just come together because we're all doing the same— just come together because we're all doing the same thing. twewehe-s— all doing the same thing. everyone's an— all doing the same thing. everyone's an entrepreneur and everyone wants to do their own thing. i always richard thing. i always say to richard tice say to david and tice and i say to david and i say to everybody, you know, we should together. i'll should all come together. i'll be asking an should the right unite to keep the left out of power . power. plus, power. - i plus, amid pewet. - . plus, amid the power. plus, amid the ongoing row at - plus, amid the ongoing row at ttv regarding— - plus, amid the ongoing row at itv regarding-schofield- itv regarding phillip schofield , twe— itv regarding phillip schofield , he get— itv regarding phillip schofield , he get t— itv regarding phillip schofield he get e htg— itv regarding phillip schofield , i've got a big announcement at tent— , i've got a big announcement at tehlwew— , i've got a big announcement at tehlwew weh-t— , i've got a big announcement at ten,.you won't want- , i've got a big announcement at ten, you won't want to miss ten, so you won't want to miss it. ten, so you won't want to miss tt. lhwew— ten, so you won't want to miss tt. lhwew-hewe- ten, so you won't want to miss it. .busy-hours to- ten, so you won't want to miss it. busy hours to come. it. a busy two hours to come. tut— it. a busy two hours to come. put something— it. a busy two hours to come. put something cold and fizzy in the-ht— put something cold and fizzy in the-ht te— put something cold and fizzy in the-it is sunday- put something cold and fizzy in the it is sunday night.