channel very good afternoon, everybody. it's patrick christys here on gb news. — it's patrick christys here on gb news. n-s— it's patrick christys here on gb news. n-sjust— it's patrick christys here on gb news. it's just gone 3 pm. i wm— news. it's just gone 3 pm. i will be— news. it's just gone 3 pm. i will be with— news. it's just gone 3 pm. i will be with you— news. it's just gone 3 pm. i will be with you for the next three— will be with you for the next three hours,— will be with you for the next three hours, but— will be with you for the next three hours, but here is what's on the— three hours, but here is what's on the menu— three hours, but here is what's on the menu this— three hours, but here is what's on the menu this hour. to kick eart— on the menu this hour. to kick start your— on the menu this hour. to kick start your week. _ on the menu this hour. to kick start your week. ' z on the menu this hour. to kick start your week. ' “2 2::: start your week. and of course we this. suella we start with this. suella braverman heckled braverman has just been heckled big time. the national conservative conference, as she desperately tries to ramp up the rhetoric to cut mass migration. we will be going live to that event — we will be going live to that vent sn— we will be going live to that event. so make— we will be going live to that event. so make sure you keep your eyes and ears peeled there because kicked right off. because it has kicked right off. in also going in other news, we're also going to in other news, we're also going te—ne— in other news, we're also going te—ne vett- in other news, we're also going to_as well about- in other news, we're also going to as well about keir to be talking as well about keir sterner-e— to be talking as well about keir starmer's supposed plan anyway to starmer's supposed plan anyway te—ene— starmer's supposed plan anyway te—ene tn- starmer's supposed plan anyway to_one i'm doing. starmer's supposed plan anyway to hour one i'm doing starmer's supposed plan anyway to hour is one i'm doing starmer's supposed plan anyway to hour is aboutne i'm doing starmer's supposed plan anyway to hour is about whether)ing this hour is about whether or net— this hour is about whether or net-vett— this hour is about whether or netlvetv-nve- this hour is about whether or not year are essentially not 16 year olds are essentially

too not 16 year olds are essentially tee stet— not 16 year olds are essentially tee etet te— not 16 year olds are essentially too sick to vote— not 16 year olds are essentially too sick to vote whether too sick to vote or whether or net— too sick to vote or whether or. net—nettttent not they should have a political vetee—tne— not they should have a political voice.-the other- voice. of course, the other tngte— voice. of course, the other nngte te— voice. of course, the other angle to this— voice. of course, the other angle to this is- voice. of course, the other angle to this is going to be on vnetnev— angle to this is going to be on vnetnev tu— angle to this is going to be on whether eu should be whether eu nationals should be nttevet— whether eu nationals should be nttevet-env- whether eu nationals should be allowed our general allowed to vote in our general eteetten. — allowed to vote in our general eteetten. tn— allowed to vote in our general election. in other— allowed to vote in our general election. in other news, zetenetvv— election. in other news, zetenetvv te— election. in other news, zelenskyy is back in town, isn't nee— zelenskyy is back in town, isn't nee vee— zelenskyy is back in town, isn't nee vee. nev.— zelenskyy is back in town, isn't he.7 yes. now, look— zelenskyy is back in town, isn't he.7 yes. now, look , zelenskyy is back in town, isn't he? yes. now, look , a lot of he? yes. now, look, a lot of money— he? yes. now, look, a lot of nenev te— he? yes. now, look, a lot of money is being— he? yes. now, look, a lot of money is being spent on the war in money is being spent on the war tn—tet— money is being spent on the war in_lot.munitions. in ukraine. a lot of munitions nveeen-t— in ukraine. a lot of munitions are-sent over- in ukraine. a lot of munitions are sent over there. are being sent over there. i tutt— are being sent over there. i just want— are being sent over there. i just want-have- are being sent over there. i just want have of just want to have a bit of a conversation— just want to have a bit of a conversation about whether or not conversation about whether or net tt-e— conversation about whether or net tt-e ttne— conversation about whether or not it's time-even- conversation about whether or not it's time even possible. not it's time or even possible. by-w— not it's time or even possible. nv-te never- not it's time or even possible. by-to broker for- not it's time or even possible. by to broker for peace by the way, to broker for peace in by the way, to broker for peace tn-tnteveet— by the way, to broker for peace in-interest of— by the way, to broker for peace in -interest of the - by the way, to broker for peace in interest of the british in the interest of the british taxpayer— in the interest of the british taxpayer-views- in the interest of the british. taxpayer-views. both taxpayer. strong views on both ettee— taxpayer. strong views on both sides-discussion - taxpayer. strong views on both sides-discussion .- taxpayer. strong views on both sides discussion . and sides of that discussion. and finallvv— sides of that discussion. and ttntttvlvvett— sides of that discussion. and finally,.well ,_ sides of that discussion. and finally, well , we're also finally, as well, we're also going— finally, as well, we're also getng te— finally, as well, we're also getng to te— finally, as well, we're also going to be mentioning this. why are—eurovision?| are we so rubbish at eurovision? tne— are we so rubbish at eurovision? tne enc— are we so rubbish at eurovision? tne nnc nae— are we so rubbish at eurovision? the bbc has come— are we so rubbish at eurovision? the bbc has come under fire for vvnnt— the bbc has come under fire for vnnt nnnv— the bbc has come under fire for what many regarded being what many regarded as being bad nntnetten— what many regarded as being bad pntnetten .— what many regarded as being bad production . but— what many regarded as being bad production . but was the song production. but was the song tteett— production. but was the song tteett tutt— production. but was the song itself just awful? patrick cnnetve— itself just awful? patrick christys on _ itself just awful? patrick christys on ._ itself just awful? patrick christys on . gb news get your christys on. gb news get your vtevv— christys on. gb news get your tonne— christys on. gb news get your views coming in— christys on. gb news get your views coming in thick and fast. gb views coming in thick and fast. en vtevve. — views coming in thick and fast. gb views. gbnews.uk in light of tneee— gb views. gbnews.uk in light of these conservative— gb views. gbnews.uk in light of these conservative conferences , these conservative conferences, tnnge— these conservative conferences, fringe conferences— these conservative conferences, fringe conferences that are tanne— fringe conferences that are tnttng place— fringe conferences that are tnttng place .— fringe conferences that are taking place , is the tory party taking place, is the tory party entttttng— taking place, is the tory party eptttttng e— taking place, is the tory party eptttttng e no— taking place, is the tory party splitting ? do you think it's splitting? do you think it's ttne— splitting? do you think it's ttne tnnt— splitting? do you think it's time that the— splitting? do you think it's

time that the right wing of the ten— time that the right wing of the tory natty— time that the right wing of the tory nnnv note— time that the right wing of the tory party broke off , formed tory party broke off, formed a pnnve— tory party broke off, formed a nnnve ._ tory party broke off, formed a new party? i also,— tory party broke off, formed a new party? i also, of course, evnetnttv— new party? i also, of course, crucially want— new party? i also, of course, crucially want your take on vnetnev— crucially want your take on vnetnev ev— crucially want your take on whether or not— crucially want your take on whether or not eu nationals and 16 whether or not eu nationals and n vent— whether or not eu nationals and us yet otte— whether or not eu nationals and 16 year olds should be allowed to vote.— 16 year olds should be allowed to vote. sene— 16 year olds should be allowed to vote. some people have called tnte— to vote. some people have called tnte vete— to vote. some people have called tnte vote nggtng— to vote. some people have called this vote rigging gb— to vote. some people have called this vote rigging gb views and tenets-un— this vote rigging gb views and gbnews.uk. now their headlines with gbnews.uk. now their headlines vvttn .— gbnews.uk. now their headlines vvttn . tnnetn— gbnews.uk. now their headlines with . tamsin patrick, thanks with. tamsin patrick, thanks very— with. tamsin patrick, thanks very nnen. — with. tamsin patrick, thanks very much. good- with. tamsin patrick, thanks very much. 22 “ very much. good afternoon from the gb newsroom at 3:02, the home secretary has defended the government's plan to cut net migration , saying it's not migration, saying it's not racist to want to control our borders in a speech at the national conservatism conference, suella braverman added that it's not bigoted to say there are too many asylum seekers in the country. she argued that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable and will be a burden on housing, pubuc will be a burden on housing, public services and local communities . as the home communities. as the home secretary also spoke about modern slavery, saying britain should not be seen as a country that practised it, but one that

abolished it . and she says there abolished it. and she says there should be a bigger focus on creating high skill workers. the labour market has acute or structural shortages. as with the nhs . it is structural shortages. as with the nhs. it is of structural shortages. as with the nhs . it is of course right the nhs. it is of course right that we should have an immigration system agile enough to plug those shortages , but we to plug those shortages, but we need to get overall immigration numbers down. there is no good vtv— numbers down. there is no good vvnv ve— numbers down. there is no good reason why we can't— 2 there is no good reason why we can't train up enengn— reason why we can't train up enengn tutt— reason why we can't train up enough truck drivers. butchers nutt— enough truck drivers. butchers tnntt entere— enough truck drivers. butchers fruit pickers, builders or vetteve. — fruit pickers, builders or welders. brexit- fruit pickers, builders or welders. 519k . cl“? fruit pickers, builders or welders. 519k . ti“vi it; fruit pickers, builders or- welders. brexit enables us to build a high skilled , high wage build a high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour. while the home secretary speech was disrupted by two protesters minutes after suella braverman began a man in the middle row stood up saying he was a member of the group extinction rebellion moments later, a woman also interrupted the speech, heckling the home secretary

before she, too was removed . before she, too was removed. the uk is to start trading ntvttntnn— the uk is to start trading ukrainian pilots to fly western ttgntev— ukrainian pilots to fly western ttgnten jets— ukrainian pilots to fly western ttgnten tete tn— ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter jets in the summer, ukrainian pilots to fly western fighterjets in the summer, but nae— fighterjets in the summer, but nae ne— fighterjets in the summer, but nae no nttne— fighterjets in the summer, but has no plans to— fighterjets in the summer, but has no plans to provide them vttn— has no plans to provide them vvttn ntnnee— has no plans to provide them vvttn ntnnee .— has no plans to provide them with planes . the— has no plans to provide them with planes . the prime minister with planes. the prime minister has with planes. the prime minister nne net— with planes. the prime minister has met ukrainian— with planes. the prime minister has met ukrainian president zetenetvv— has met ukrainian president zetenetvv nt— has met ukrainian president zelenskyy at chequers and said tnnt— zelenskyy at chequers and said tnnt providing— zelenskyy at chequers and said that providing war planes wasn't straightforward— that providing war planes wasn't straightforward at— that providing war planes wasn't straightforward at the moment . straightforward at the moment. sttntng— straightforward at the moment. stnntng tnte— straightforward at the moment. starting this summer, ukrainian nttete— starting this summer, ukrainian nttete tente— starting this summer, ukrainian pilots could train— starting this summer, ukrainian pilots could train in skills tnnt— pilots could train in skills tnnt tnev— pilots could train in skills that they could adapt to flying nen—eeevnvvt — that they could adapt to flying non—western fighter planes. the ttne— non—western fighter planes. the prime minister— non—western fighter planes. the prime minister has— non—western fighter planes. the prime minister has compared tneettent— prime minister has compared president zelenskyy's wartime tenteventn— president zelenskyy's wartime tentenntn te— president zelenskyy's wartime leadership to that of winston cnnnnttt— leadership to that of winston cnnnnttt .— leadership to that of winston churchill . while— leadership to that of winston churchill . while the meeting churchill. while the meeting comes as the _ churchill. while the meeting comes as the uk— churchill. while the meeting comes as the uk has pledged to sent— comes as the uk has pledged to send hundreds— comes as the uk has pledged to send hundreds of— comes as the uk has pledged to send hundreds of new long—range attack— send hundreds of new long—range ottoot tnonee— send hundreds of new long—range attack drones to _ send hundreds of new long—range attack drones to ukraine. one tttng— attack drones to ukraine. one tntng ve— attack drones to ukraine. one tntng ve vttt— attack drones to ukraine. one thing we will be— attack drones to ukraine. one thing we will be doing starting actually relatively soon is the training of ukrainian pilots, and that's something that we've discussed today and we're ready to implement those plans in relatively order , which relatively short order, which will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become absolutely combat ready aircraft

, pilots . president zelenskyy , pilots. president zelenskyy tote.— , pilots. president zelenskyy eott. tne— , pilots. president zelenskyy said. the fighter— president zelenskyy said. the fighter jets are an said. the fighterjets are an tnnonont— said. the fighterjets are an important issue— said. the fighterjets are an important issue for his country-e— important issue for his country's defence. 2 country's defence. today we spoke— country's defence. today we spoke about the jets very important topic for us because we can't control the sky. you know it so i think you know everything deeply because we're real partners , really knows all real partners, really knows all the details of what's going on on our battlefield. thank you very much. and we want to create these jets coalition and i'm very positive with it . royal very positive with it. royal mail could be fined after an investigation into the service's failure to meet its delivery targets. in the past year, red vegntotov— targets. in the past year, red regulator ofcom _ g in the past year, red regulator ofcom found only 73.7% of regulator ofcom found only 73.7% ot ttvet— regulator ofcom found only 73.7% ot ttnt otoee— regulator ofcom found only 73.7% of first class mail— regulator ofcom found only 73.7% of first class mail was delivered— of first class mail was delivered on- of first class mail was delivered on time. missing its target— delivered on time. missing its target ot— delivered on time. missing its target ot ee. — delivered on time. missing its target of 93. it— delivered on time. missing its target of 93. it also failed to react — target of 93. it also failed to react to— target of 93. it also failed to reach its 98%_ target of 93. it also failed to reach its 98% target of second otte— reach its 98% target of second otoee mott— reach its 98% target of second class mail ofcom _ reach its 98% target of second class mail ofcom says it takes onotttv— class mail ofcom says it takes onotttv ot— class mail ofcom says it takes quality of service— class mail ofcom says it takes quality of service very eenonetv— quality of service very seriously ._ quality of service very seriously . a- quality of service very seriously . a ballot on seriously. a ballot on industrial— seriously. a ballot on industrial action by senior tootove— industrial action by senior tootove tn— industrial action by senior doctors in england has opened

the doctors in england has opened tne nntten— doctors in england has opened the british medical association says— the british medical association eovetotte— the british medical association says talks with— the british medical association says talks with the government to try— says talks with the government to tvv ont — says talks with the government to try and resolve— says talks with the government to try and resolve the long running— to try and resolve the long nnnntng pov— to try and resolve the long running pay dispute remain deadlocked— running pay dispute remain deadlocked ._ running pay dispute remain deadlocked . the union claims the deadlocked. the union claims the oveneo— deadlocked. the union claims the average doctor's— deadlocked. the union claims the average doctor's salary salary noe— average doctor's salary salary noe topped— average doctor's salary salary noe dropped ov— average doctor's salary salary has dropped by 35% over the past decade— has dropped by 35% over the past teoote .— has dropped by 35% over the past teoote . even— has dropped by 35% over the past decade , even before inflation is decade, even before inflation is content— decade, even before inflation is oonettevet .— decade, even before inflation is considered . the— decade, even before inflation is considered . the health considered. the health department— considered. the health department says consultants were given— department says consultants were given o— department says consultants were gtven o ..5%_ department says consultants were gtven o net/o pov— department says consultants were given a 4.5% pay rise last year ont— given a 4.5% pay rise last year and te— given a 4.5% pay rise last year and to urging— given a 4.5% pay rise last year and is urging them to carefully oonettev— and is urging them to carefully oonettev tne— and is urging them to carefully consider the effect of further etntee— consider the effect of further etntee on — consider the effect of further strikes on patient s. the ballot vvttt— strikes on patient s. the ballot vttt otoee— strikes on patient s. the ballot will close at— strikes on patient s. the ballot will close at the— strikes on patient s. the ballot will close at the end of june . will close at the end of june. neonvntte— will close at the end of june. meanwhile two— will close at the end of june. meanwhile two teacher unions nove— meanwhile two teacher unions nove onenet— meanwhile two teacher unions have opened new— meanwhile two teacher unions have opened new ballots on tunne— have opened new ballots on further strike— have opened new ballots on further strike action. it's otter— further strike action. it's after members of the national aeeoototton— after members of the national association of— after members of the national association of head teachers and the association of head teachers and tne tottonot— association of head teachers and the national education union veteotet— the national education union teteotet tne — the national education union rejected the latest pay offer tron— rejected the latest pay offer tron tne— rejected the latest pay offer from the government. voting will note— from the government. voting will otoee ot— from the government. voting will otoee ot tne— from the government. voting will close at the end— from the government. voting will close at the end of— from the government. voting will close at the end of july with ootenttot— close at the end of july with potential strike— close at the end of july with potential strike action to take note— potential strike action to take otooe tn— potential strike action to take otooe tn tne— potential strike action to take place in the autumn term . the place in the autumn term. the tovot— place in the autumn term. the tovot college— place in the autumn term. the royal college of— place in the autumn term. the royal college of nursing has neveotet— royal college of nursing has revealed nurses— royal college of nursing has revealed nurses fear being taken to count— revealed nurses fear being taken to count ove— revealed nurses fear being taken to court over the— revealed nurses fear being taken to court over the level of care tnev— to court over the level of care tnev gtve — to court over the level of care tnev gtve to —

to court over the level of care they give to patients . the union they give to patients. the union sove— they give to patients. the union eove tnon— they give to patients. the union says more than nine out of ten nonet— says more than nine out of ten nurses raised concerns that patente— nurses raised concerns that oottente nov— nurses raised concerns that patients may be- nurses raised concerns that patients may be receiving unsafe tne— patients may be receiving unsafe one to— patients may be receiving unsafe care due to their— patients may be receiving unsafe care due to their working conditions. _ care due to their working conditions. some nurses have teeontet— conditions. some nurses have described feeling— conditions. some nurses have described feeling suicidal as tnev— described feeling suicidal as tnev teen — described feeling suicidal as they deem corridor treatment tegnttng— they deem corridor treatment tegnttngtov— they deem corridor treatment degrading for patients . the degrading for patients. the oveneo— degrading for patients. the average monthly rent on newly let average monthly rent on newly tet nones— average monthly rent on newly let homes across— average monthly rent on newly let homes across britain was tne— let homes across britain was we higher— let homes across britain was £125 higher in— let homes across britain was £125 higher in april than it was at tne— £125 higher in april than it was ot tne sonne— £125 higher in april than it was at the same time— £125 higher in april than it was at the same time last year. that totttee— at the same time last year. that totttee nn— at the same time last year. that totttee no to— at the same time last year. that tallies up to an— at the same time last year. that tallies up to an extra £1,500 more each year,— tallies up to an extra £1,500 more each year, according to property— more each year, according to property agent— more each year, according to property agent hamptons . the property agent hamptons. the oveoeo— property agent hamptons. the oveoeo vent— property agent hamptons. the average rent paid for newly let nones— average rent paid for newly let homes reached— average rent paid for newly let homes reached over £1,200 a nontn— homes reached over £1,200 a nontn tn— homes reached over £1,200 a month in april— homes reached over £1,200 a month in april ._ homes reached over £1,200 a month in april . that figure month in april. that figure tetno— month in april. that figure tetno o— month in april. that figure being o nev— month in april. that figure being a new high. month in april. that figure being a new high . this is gb being a new high. this is gb neve— being a new high. this is gb neve- nove— being a new high. this is gb news. more from _ being a new high. this is gb news. more from me shortly. now, tnonon— news. more from me shortly. now, tnonon tt-e— news. more from me shortly. now, tnongn tt-e toot— news. more from me shortly. now, though, it's back to— news. more from me shortly. now, though, it's back to ._

though, it's back to. patrick i okay, _ though, it's back to. patrick i okay, welcome- though, it's back to. patrick . okay, welcome along.- though, it's back to. patrick- . okay, welcome along. let's though, it's back to. patrick okay, welcome along. let's kick though, it's back to. patrick okay, welccshalllong. let's kick though, it's back to. patrick okay, welccshalllongwiths kick start your week, shall we, with a big bit breaking news. so a big bit of breaking news. so are home secretary and are the home secretary and the prime at war over mass prime minister at war over mass migration illegal migration? migration and illegal migration? now, i'm not just talking about the boats, though, of the small boats, though, of course also talking here course we are also talking here about migration, which about legal migration, which this year could top 1 million. the home secretary thinks that is far too high. she's just been speaking at the national conservatism conference, high skilled workers support economic growth and where the labour market has acute or structural shortages. as market has acute or structural shortages . as with the nhs, it shortages. as with the nhs, it is shortages. as with the nhs, it to ot— shortages. as with the nhs, it to ot tonne— shortages. as with the nhs, it is of course right— 3 as with the nhs, it is of course right that we enontt— is of course right that we should have— is of course right that we should have an immigration eveten— should have an immigration eveten ogtte— should have an immigration system agile enough to plug tnoee— system agile enough to plug those shortages— system agile enough to plug those shortages . 2 those shortages. but we need to get over all immigration numbers down soon. and we mustn't forget nov— down soon. and we mustn't forget now to— down soon. and we mustn't forget now to to— down soon. and we mustn't forget now to to tntnoe— down soon. and we mustn't forget how to do things for— 2 “ and we mustn't forget how to do things for ourselves as how to do things for ourselves on tneve— how to do things for ourselves on tneve te— how to do things for ourselves as there is no— how to do things for ourselves as there is no good reason why we eon-t— as there is no good reason why we oon-t tntn— as there is no good reason why we can't train up— as there is no good reason why

we can't train up enough truck enven— we can't train up enough truck drivers, butchers,— we can't train up enough truck drivers, butchers, fruit pickers or drivers, butchers, fruit pickers on tnttten— drivers, butchers, fruit pickers or builders or— drivers, butchers, fruit pickers or builders or welders . brexit or builders or welders. brexit enottee— or builders or welders. brexit enottee ne— or builders or welders. brexit enables us to— or builders or welders. brexit enables us to build a high ettttet— enables us to build a high skilled, high— enables us to build a high skilled, high wage economy that is skilled, high wage economy that te tees— skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent— skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on low skilled tovenn— is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour.— is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour. that was our zen— foreign labour. that was our 2019 manifesto— foreign labour. that was our 2019 manifesto pledge , and it's 2019 manifesto pledge, and it's vvnot— 2019 manifesto pledge, and it's vnot ve— 2019 manifesto pledge, and it's vnot we must— 2019 manifesto pledge, and it's what we must deliver now. ' “2 what we must deliver now. and it's what we must deliver now. and no not— what we must deliver now. and it's not xenophobic— what we must deliver now. and it's not xenophobic to say that mass and rapid migration is unsafe , attainable in terms of unsafe, attainable in terms of housing supply , public services housing supply, public services or community relations . nor is or community relations. nor is it bigoted to say that- or community relations. nor is it bigoted to say that we- “ nor is it bigoted to say that we have too— it bigoted to say that we have too nonv— it bigoted to say that we have too many asylum _ it bigoted to say that we have too many asylum seekers in this country— too many asylum seekers in this country to— too many asylum seekers in this country for whom _ too many asylum seekers in this country for whom we have insufficient— country for whom we have insufficient accommodation. that oteovte— insufficient accommodation. that oteovte oe— insufficient accommodation. that absorbs more and— insufficient accommodation. that absorbs more and more people means building— absorbs more and more people means building more and more nones— means building more and more nonee te— means building more and more homes is another— means building more and more homes is another one of those unfashionable_ homes is another one of those unfashionable facts that the open— unfashionable facts that the open borders— unfashionable facts that the open borders brigade would say means we're starting a culture war. yes, well— means we're starting a culture war. yes, well ,_ means we're starting a culture war. yes, well , there- means we're starting a culture war. “it; �*ft�*till “ti"ti means we're starting a culture war. “it; �*ft�*till l“ti”ti git war. yes, well, there we go. now, rather, a lot happened there as well. suella braverman

was actually heckled twice dunng was actually heckled twice during that particular speech. we'll bring some footage of we'll bring you some footage of that but in a nutshell, that shortly. but in a nutshell, she's saying not to she's saying it's not racist to want illegal. and want to cut illegal. and crucially , legal migration into crucially, legal migration into this country. she also wants to get brits working. okay. i think there's a bit of a lazy situation going on here where in order to try to make britain look a little better a look a little bit better on a spreadsheet, do is spreadsheet, what they do is say, gdp is growing and say, oh, our gdp is growing and why is that happening? well, it's we're importing it's because we're importing a quite of quite literally boatload of people every single year. can we quite literally boatload of peo be every single year. can we quite literally boatload of peo be avery single year. can we quite literally boatload of peo be a bill single year. can we quite literally boatload of peo be a bill singicreativezan we quite literally boatload of peo be a bill singicreative about not be a bit more creative about that? would happen that? because what would happen if doing is if we keep doing this is some would replaced of would say the replaced of british culture of british society motty and that would be lost forever. so is it worth it in the round just to look better on those economic numbers? she also that the tories need also said that the tories need to be honest about their principles that's where i've principles and that's where i've got a bit of a sticking point with this because the conservative party and suella braverman particular have braverman in particular have a habit priti habit of talking tough priti patel her talk tough. and patel before her talk tough. and yet again with yet here we are again with potential net migration of potential legal net migration of around the 700 to a 1 million

mark. joining us now is political reporter olivia utley who heard the whole speech at the conference today. olivia, thank you very, very much. it certainly sounds rather raucous where you are there, which is great to hear. before great to hear. and just before we the hecklers, we get stuck into the hecklers, just a nutshell what just tell me in a nutshell what suella was banging suella braverman was banging on about . well, she was about today. well, she was eovtno— about today. well, she was eovtng tnot— about today. well, she was saying that she— about today. well, she was saying that she told- 2 well, she was saying that she told the large notontv— saying that she told the large notontv ot— saying that she told the large majority of her— saying that she told the large majority of her speech actually totttno— majority of her speech actually was talking about her own tonttv— was talking about her own tonttv. nov— was talking about her own family, how they came over from nonnttne— family, how they came over from nonnttne .— family, how they came over from mauritius , built— family, how they came over from mauritius , built their own life mauritius, built their own life in mauritius, built their own life tn tne— mauritius, built their own life tn tne ttn— mauritius, built their own life in the uk, how— mauritius, built their own life in the uk, how we should be nont— in the uk, how we should be nnont ot— in the uk, how we should be proud of british— in the uk, how we should be proud of british values , proud of british values, etoeten. — proud of british values, etcetera. then right at the end, ene— etcetera. then right at the end, ene stoned— etcetera. then right at the end, she started talking about ntgntton— she started talking about migration that she started talking about- migration -that-perhaps migration and that was perhaps the migration and that was perhaps tne env— migration and that was perhaps tne ot— migration and that was perhaps the crux of the— migration and that was perhaps the crux of the speech. she was eovtno— the crux of the speech. she was eovtng tnot— the crux of the speech. she was eovtng tnot ot— the crux of the speech. she was saying that of course our nnontv— saying that of course our onontv ot— saying that of course our priority at the- saying that of course our priority at the moment as a government— priority at the moment as a government is— priority at the moment as a government is to get control of ttteoot— government is to get control of illegal migration,— government is to get control of illegal migration, hence the snott— illegal migration, hence the small boats— illegal migration, hence the small boats which going small boats bill, which is going tnvonon—tne- small boats bill, which is going. through _the moment. through the lords at the moment. but through the lords at the moment. nut-nnetn-t— through the lords at the moment. nut-nnetn-t-ot- but we mustn't lose sight of teoot— but we mustn't lose sight of teoot-on- but we mustn't lose sight of legal-on which. but we mustn't lose sight of. legal-on which we're legal migration on which we're exneottno— legal migration on which we're exneottng to— legal migration on which we're expecting to see— legal migration on which we're expecting to see hit between 700.000— expecting to see hit between tooeeo ont— expecting to see hit between 700,000 and a— expecting to see hit between 700,000 and a million this year. now— 700,000 and a million this year. now neon— 700,000 and a million this year. now teov tn— 700,000 and a million this year. now bear in mind— 700,000 and a million this year. now bear in mind that last year tne— now bear in mind that last year was the record _ now bear in mind that last year was the record high before that ont— was the record high before that ont tt— was the record high before that ont tt vn— was the record high before that and it was just—

was the record high before that and it was just 504,000. and it nutte— and it was just 504,000. and it was quite interesting because it o tott— was quite interesting because it was a bit divergent from what the government's line has been at the government's line has been ot tne— the government's line has been at the moment.— the government's line has been at the moment. all that we've teen— at the moment. all that we've teen neonno— at the moment. all that we've been hearing from rishi sunak on the been hearing from rishi sunak on tne ntontton— been hearing from rishi sunak on the migration-is— been hearing from rishi sunak on the migration is illegal the migration front is illegal ntgntton. — migration. it's all about etonntno— migration. it's all about stopping the— migration. it's all about stopping the boats. and here we eeetno— stopping the boats. and here we eeetno on— stopping the boats. and here we were seeing an echo of david cameron's pledge to get ntontton— cameron's pledge to get migration down. she didn't quite say migration down. she didn't quite eov tne— migration down. she didn't quite eov tnte. tut— migration down. she didn't quite eov tnte. tot get— migration down. she didn't quite say this, but get migration down to tne— say this, but get migration down to tne tene— say this, but get migration down to tne tene ot— say this, but get migration down to the tens of thousands, did ene— to the tens of thousands, did one nove— to the tens of thousands, did she have carte— to the tens of thousands, did she have carte blanche from nont— she have carte blanche from ttent snnot— she have carte blanche from rishi sunak to— she have carte blanche from rishi sunak to talk about legal ntontton— rishi sunak to talk about legal ntgntton tn— rishi sunak to talk about legal migration in the— rishi sunak to talk about legal migration in the way that she otte— migration in the way that she one no— migration in the way that she one no not— migration in the way that she did? it's not completely clear, tut— did? it's not completely clear, tut tneve— did? it's not completely clear, but there were— did? it's not completely clear, but there were some who were exneottno — but there were some who were exneottng nev— but there were some who were expecting her to _ but there were some who were expecting her to be more onttoot— expecting her to be more critical government expecting her to be more- critical-government than critical of the government than one —tnot| she was. so it does seem that net— she was. so it does seem that tnot tnot— she was. so it does seem that just that fragile _ she was. so it does seem that just that fragile unity that's keeping— just that fragile unity that's keeping tne— just that fragile unity that's keeping the tory party together is keeping the tory party together te-notttno— keeping the tory party together is-holding olivia- keeping the tory party together is holding olivia . ' 2 keeping the tory party together is holding olivia . ' “2 is still holding olivia. and now just just— is still holding olivia. and now just just stay— is still holding olivia. and now just just stay where you are, if that's all right, because i want to play a little clip actually, of braverman of suella braverman being heckled it happened heckled. i believe it happened a couple times, but as i said couple of times, but as i said earlier, the secretary earlier, the home secretary speech disrupted by two speech was disrupted by two people, and shortly people, testers and shortly after suella braverman started speaking , i believe man stood speaking, i believe a man stood up. he said he a member up. now he said he was a member of group extinction of the group extinction rebellion. then moments later, a

woman interrupted the speech , woman interrupted the speech, heckling the home secretary. there's footage it now. there's some footage of it now. i'll us through it. if i'll just talk us through it. if you're on radio, which i'll just talk us through it. if yoa re on radio, which i'll just talk us through it. if yoa rather on radio, which i'll just talk us through it. if yoa rather large )n radio, which i'll just talk us through it. if yoa rather large chap,io, which i'll just talk us through it. if yoa rather large chap, it which i'll just talk us through it. if yoa rather large chap, it musth is a rather large chap, it must be said, standing up and really shouting as he's being dragged off people . suella off from by people. suella braverman apparently said, is there who massive there anyone else who massive cheering? it turned out cheering? and it turned out there someone else because there was someone else because then was woman who then there was another woman who was ripped , moved. then was also ripped, moved. so then the speech continued. of course it does come off the back of jacob rees—mogg heckled jacob rees—mogg being heckled there earlier. we'll play you a clip but i'll clip of that before, but i'll go back to olivia because, back to olivia now because, olivia, you were there for all of and so what was that of this. and so what was that like hecklers like and how were these hecklers managed in so easily? it managed to get in so easily? it seems be stop . well, managed to get in so easily? it seems be stop. well, it's seems to be non stop. well, it's a good seems to be non stop. well, it's o-ooot onestton— seems to be non stop. well, it's a-good question.-they| a very good question. how they got tn— a very good question. how they got tn eo— a very good question. how they got tn eo easilv-_ a very good question. how they got in so easily. i— a very good question. how they got in so easily. i mean, the ovonteeng— got in so easily. i mean, the organisers of— got in so easily. i mean, the organisers of this in some organisers of this event in some nove— organisers of this event in some wove-tone— organisers of this event in some ways done fantastic job, ways have done a fantastic job, but ways have done a fantastic job, tntlnoe— ways have done a fantastic job, tntlnoelte— ways have done a fantastic job, butlhaslbe-i- ways have done a fantastic job, but has be i wasn't but it has to be said, i wasn't osteo— but it has to be said, i wasn't oetet to— but it has to be said, i wasn't oetet to-nv— but it has to be said, i wasn't asked to -my id - but it has to be said, i wasn't asked to-my id-ii but it has to be said, i wasn't. asked to-my id-i got asked to show my id when i got neve— asked to show my id when i got nevelnevnone— asked to show my id when i got here, perhaps there are a few here, so perhaps there are a few eeonntv— here, so perhaps there are a few eeenntv teenee— here, so perhaps there are a few security issues going on. i eonttn-t— security issues going on. i couldn't hear— security issues going on. i couldn't hear a- security issues going on. i couldn't hear a word that the noteeteve— couldn't hear a word that the protesters were _ couldn't hear a word that the protesters were actually saying so protesters were actually saying eo tonn— protesters were actually saying eo tont noe— protesters were actually saying so loud was the— protesters were actually saying so loud was the volume of hisses ont— so loud was the volume of hisses ont tooe— so loud was the volume of hisses ont tooe tron — so loud was the volume of hisses and boos from the— so loud was the volume of hisses and boos from the audience and so

and boos from the audience and eo tonn— and boos from the audience and eo tont noe— and boos from the audience and so loud was the— and boos from the audience and so loud was the clapping. when snetto— so loud was the clapping. when suella braverman— so loud was the clapping. when suella braverman started eneottng— suella braverman started speaking again, this conference neve— speaking again, this conference neve te— speaking again, this conference nee te peonte— speaking again, this conference here is people are— speaking again, this conference here is people are calling it eon— here is people are calling it eon ot— here is people are calling it eon ot tne— here is people are calling it sort of the right— here is people are calling it sort of the right of the conservative - sort of the right of the conservative party gathering togetnen— conservative party gathering together. they're advancing this ogento— together. they're advancing this ogento eottet— together. they're advancing this agenda called national conservatism, agenda called national. conservatism,-all agenda called national- conservatism,-all about conservatism, which is all about teentng— conservatism, which is all about keeping connot— conservatism, which is all about keeping control of— conservatism, which is all about keeping control of britain's tonteve. — keeping control of britain's borders. and— keeping control of britain's borders. and there's a lot about the borders. and there's a lot about tne ptnngtng— borders. and there's a lot about the plunging birth rate that we've-hearing- the plunging birth rate that. we've-hearing-and we've been hearing today. and as we've been hearing today. and as vne-onttenee— we've been hearing today. and as vne-onttenee .- we've been hearing today. and as we-audience , which- we've been hearing today. and as we audience , which is, we said, the audience, which is, you— we said, the audience, which is, von know.— we said, the audience, which is, von tnovv. gntte— we said, the audience, which is, you know, quite a— we said, the audience, which is, you know, quite a hundred you know, quite a few hundred etvong— you know, quite a few hundred etvong-te— you know, quite a few hundred etvong-te very- you know, quite a few hundred etvong-te venv i you know, quite a few hundred strong, be very , very strong, seems to be very, very nnen— strong, seems to be very, very nnen tentnt— strong, seems to be very, very much behind this— strong, seems to be very, very much behind this agenda. so ela braverman could— much behind this agenda. so ela braverman could barely get a sentence out— braverman could barely get a sentence out without massive oonte— sentence out without massive amounts applause, standing amounts of applause, standing ovottone— amounts of applause, standing ovations from _ amounts of applause, standing ovations from the _ amounts of applause, standing ovations from the audience. in toot.— ovations from the audience. in toot. nev— ovations from the audience. in fact, her speech— ovations from the audience. in fact, her speech ran over by ten ntnntee— fact, her speech ran over by ten minutes because _ fact, her speech ran over by ten minutes because there was so nnen— minutes because there was so nnen onntonee— minutes because there was so much applause. so yeah, i mean , much applause. so yeah, i mean, the much applause. so yeah, i mean, tne neetteve— much applause. so yeah, i mean, the hecklers really,— much applause. so yeah, i mean, the hecklers really, really tttn-t— the hecklers really, really didn't-chance- the hecklers really, really didn't chance to have didn't get a chance to have tnetv— didn't get a chance to have tnetv-ott. — didn't get a chance to have tnetv-ott. t- didn't get a chance to have their all. i didn't their say at all. i didn't veottee— their say at all. i didn't realise-saw- their say at all. i didn't realise-saw it- their say at all. i didn't realise saw it on twitter realise till i saw it on twitter nnot— realise till i saw it on twitter nnot-ven— realise till i saw it on twitter what-were even- realise till i saw it on twitter what were even heckling what they were even heckling otont. — what they were even heckling about. apparently they were ettnttng— about. apparently they were ettnngnt. — about. apparently they were clir right, olivia, thank all right, olivia, look, thank von. — all right, olivia, look, thank von. tn— all right, olivia, look, thank von. t-nn gotng— all right, olivia, look, thank you. i'm going to- all right, olivia, look, thank you. git “t: all right, olivia, look, thank you. gitt “g git “g all right, olivia, look, thank- you. i'm going to be going back to course of to you throughout the course of this we keep an eye on this show as we keep an eye on that national conservatives conference. i want to be conference. but i want to be joined now benjamin lockney, conference. but i want to be joineis now benjamin lockney, conference. but i want to be joineis novimmigration n lockney, conference. but i want to be joineis novimmigration expertiey, conference. but i want to be joineis novimmigration expert at, who is an immigration expert at at the group. and, benjamin, at the bow group. and, benjamin, it's great have on the

it's great to have you on the show. so william braverman was quite there. she said quite strong there. she said it's not racist to want to cut mass migration . now, people, mass migration. now, people, benjamin, are very , very keen benjamin, are very, very keen for their local area not to change. that's why some people oppose hs2. that's why some people oppose planning permission for developments in their area . but all too often, their area. but all too often, in my view, it's deemed socially unacceptable to say i'm really sorry, but i don't want where i live and where i've grown up to become minority , white, british become minority, white, british or even just minority motty british. but there is a stigma attached to that. is it racist to think that way ? no, i don't to think that way? no, i don't think it is at all. and actually, if you - l and actually, if you look at the tent.— actually, if you look at the tett. tnev— actually, if you look at the left, they often— actually, if you look at the left, they often complain and tenoon— left, they often complain and bemoan gentrification for the evoet— bemoan gentrification for the exact same reasons. they say tnte— exact same reasons. they say tnte te— exact same reasons. they say tnte te tne— exact same reasons. they say this is the area— exact same reasons. they say this is the area we were born in, this is the area we were born tn ne— this is the area we were born in, we were raised- this is the area we were born in, we were raised in. this is non— in, we were raised in. this is non tt— in, we were raised in. this is non tt noe— in, we were raised in. this is how it has always- in, we were raised in. this is how it has always been. and oeonte— how it has always been. and people nove— how it has always been. and people have moved in changed people have moved in and changed the people have moved in and changed tne enttnve— people have moved in and changed the culture there— people have moved in and changed the culture there and the face of the culture there and the face ot tne — the culture there and the face ot tne oeo— the culture there and the face of the area in— the culture there and the face of the area in a— the culture there and the face of the area in a way which means i of the area in a way which means tltongev— of the area in a way which means tltongev teet— of the area in a way which means i.longer feel at— of the area in a way which means i longer feel at home within i no longer feel at home within it. i no longer feel at home within tt. ent— i no longer feel at home within tt. nnt-eov— i no longer feel at home within it. but-say that- i no longer feel at home within it. but say that about it. but if you say that about

gentrification _ it. but if you say that about gentrification people gentrification or about people nno— gentrification or about people vno-tn— gentrification or about people nno-tn nno— gentrification or about people who - in, who have - gentrification or about people who in, who have money or who move in, who have money or a ttttevent— who move in, who have money or a ttttevent eoetot— who move in, who have money or a different social class,— who move in, who have money or a different social class, that's petteettv— different social class, that's perfectly -when i different social class, that's perfectly when it perfectly fine. but when it comes down _ perfectly fine. but when it comes down to— perfectly fine. but when it comes down to migration, it's, oh comes down to migration, it's, on—nnet- comes down to migration, it's, on—nnet tel comes down to migration, it's, on—nnet te o| oh no, you're you must be a note— oh no, you're you must be a netetlvon— oh no, you're you must be a racistlyou-that.- oh no, you're you must be a racist you that. well, racist if you think that. well, tt-e— racist if you think that. well, tt-e notntng— racist if you think that. well, it's nothing-with- racist if you think that. well, it's nothing with race. it's nothing to do with race. tt-e— it's nothing to do with race. tt-e-to— it's nothing to do with race. tt-e-to to- it's nothing to do with race. it's-to do with- it's nothing to do with race. it's to do with wanting it's entirely to do with wanting to it's entirely to do with wantingi to—von to preserve the culture that you tovn tn. — to preserve the culture that you were born in. i— to preserve the culture that you were born in. 23“ l were born in. i can't help but wonder, though, benjamin, whether done whether more needs to be done to get us working and get britain us working and breeding , because that way that breeding, because that way that does remove the argument for the need for mass migration. it also potentially removes people's concerns about massive widespread demographic and irreversable demographic change with white british predicted to be 50% of our population by 2050 and primary schools around to have 75% of ethnic minority pupils by that same year, 2050. so you could argue that breeding and working harder, i suppose, may be nullifies all of this . may be nullifies all of this. yeah, absolutely . but also yeah, absolutely. but also i don't yeah, absolutely. but also i ton-t tnv— yeah, absolutely. but also i don't buy into— yeah, absolutely. but also i don't buy into this- t/tivtit“ oily but also i don't buy into this idea that tneve-e— don't buy into this idea that tnen-e geot— don't buy into this idea that

there's great economic benefits to ntgntton— there's great economic benefits to ntgntton. t— there's great economic benefits to migration. i mean, mass ntgntton— to migration. i mean, mass migration began really under ntotv— migration began really under ntotv tn— migration began really under blair in 1997— migration began really under blair in 1997 when he ramped the ttgnvee— blair in 1997 when he ramped the ttgntee nn— blair in 1997 when he ramped the ttgntee no non — blair in 1997 when he ramped the figures up from about 40,000 a veov— figures up from about 40,000 a veov to— figures up from about 40,000 a year to 250,000 _ figures up from about 40,000 a year to 250,000 a— figures up from about 40,000 a year to 250,000 a year by the ttne— year to 250,000 a year by the ttne t— year to 250,000 a year by the ttne t tntnt— year to 250,000 a year by the time i think he— year to 250,000 a year by the time i think he left office. vte-ve— time i think he left office.- we're—500,000. we're now last year, 500,000. text— we're now last year, 500,000. net veov— we're now last year, 500,000. next year-looking- we're now last year, 500,000. next year looking at a next year we're looking at a ntttton. — next year we're looking at a million. -the- next year we're looking at a million. the picture next year we're looking at a- million.-the picture of million. what has the picture of the million. what has the picture of tne-nonet— million. what has the picture of the-looked like- million. what has the picture of the-looked like in- million. what has the picture of the looked like in those the economy looked like in those veove— the economy looked like in those veove e— the economy looked like in those veove elton-t— the economy looked like in those years ?idon't-it's- the economy looked like in those years ? don't it's been a years? i don't think it's been a voonng— years? i don't think it's been a roaring success.— years? i don't think it's been a roaring success. we had a massive recession in 2008. we've not— massive recession in 2008. we've not eoet— massive recession in 2008. we've not eoet ot— massive recession in 2008. we've had cost of living— massive recession in 2008. we've had cost of living crisis. now we noven-t— had cost of living crisis. now we haven't really— had cost of living crisis. now we haven't really seen great economic benefits from this . economic benefits from this. vte-ve— economic benefits from this. were not.— economic benefits from this. were not. von— economic benefits from this. we're not, you know, better than even-not— we're not, you know, better than even-not-ont- ever. we're not richer and neottntev— ever. we're not richer and wealthier than— ever. we're not richer and wealthier than ever. anything wealthier than ever. if anything v-poorer_ wealthier than ever. if anything ,-poo.e.-eve. - wealthier than ever. if anything ,-poorer-ever. so,- , we're poorer than ever. so, von— , we're poorer than ever. so, von-tnte— , we're poorer than ever. so, von-tnte neo- , we're poorer than ever. so, you this idea that you can you know, this idea that you can you— you know, this idea that you can von know.— you know, this idea that you can you know,-numbers- you know, this idea that you can you know, numbers around you know, move numbers around ont— you know, move numbers around one-toot— you know, move numbers around one-toot oe— you know, move numbers around and-look as though- and make it look as though tneve-e— and make it look as though there's some— and make it look as though there's some sort of economic benefit— benefit is ridiculous. it's like saying— benefit is ridiculous. it's likei saying,_increased saying, well, we've increased tne—noven-t- the gdp, but you haven't tnenoeet— the gdp, but you haven't increased-per. the gdp, but you haven't- increased-per capita increased the gdp per capita teeonee— increased the gdp per capita because there's— increased the gdp per capita because there's lot more because there's a lot more neonte— because there's a lot more people- ant— because there's a lot more people. and you know, fundamentally, if you moved even— fundamentally, if you moved even-neveon- fundamentally, if you moved every-personlthe. fundamentally, if you moved every person the world every single person in the world to nntotn— every single person in the world to nntotn ,— every single person in the world to britain , you'd— every single person in the world to britain , you'd have the to britain, you'd have the ttggeet— to britain, you'd have the ttggeet-tne- to britain, you'd have the- biggest-the-because biggest gdp in the world because eveonenv— biggest gdp in the world because everyone—ent- biggest gdp in the world because everyone—but thatj everyone would be here. but that toeen-t—ot- everyone would be here. but that doesn't—of lifei doesn't mean the quality of life nonto— doesn't mean the quality of life would i better. _ doesn't mean the quality of life would better. doesn't would be better. that doesn't neono—t- would be better. that doesn't mean—of livingi mean that the cost of living nonto— mean that the cost of living would reasonable. there would be reasonable. so there are would be reasonable. so there oveoeove—tt i would be reasonable. so therei are—factors. it's are other economic factors. it's not— are other economic factors. it's not-oe— are other economic factors. it's not-oe etnnte— are other economic factors. it's not-as simple as- are other economic factors. it's not as simple as saying gdp not just as simple as saying gdp has not just as simple as saying gdp noe gone— not just as simple as saying gdp noe gone nn— not just as simple as saying gdp noe gone no. t— not just as simple as saying gdp has gone up. i think we're being net—tong-

has gone up. i think we're beingi lied—being asked lied to. people are being asked to the fact that they're to ignore the fact that they're finding on the finding it harder to get on the housing it's taking housing ladder, that it's taking them see a gp or to them longer to see a gp or to get basic health care. that's there's pressure on there's massive pressure on school places, that our transport on its knees transport system is on its knees and are blaming on and we are blaming it on everything other than rapid population growth driven by mass migration . but and we're also migration. but and we're also being lied to really about the massive quote unquote massive benefit to our economy , as benefit to our economy, as you've rightly outlined there. but i can't help but wonder whether or not, unfortunately, we're the we're also being lied to by the conservative . and conservative party. and dare i say it even bit of suella say it even a bit of suella braverman as well, because if it really the conservatives really was the conservatives ambition get net migration ambition to get net migration down, there is no way on earth that it would constantly that it would be constantly rising as it is now. unfortunately the tories can no longer say can they, that they are the party of wanting to stop migration no matter what suella braverman turns up and says today , yeah, absolutely . you today, yeah, absolutely. you couldn't be more 2 “ti?“ oily you couldn't be more correct. you've hit couldn't be more correct. you've ntt tne— couldn't be more correct. you've ntt tne nott— couldn't be more correct. you've hit the nail on— couldn't be more correct. you've hit the nail on the— couldn't be more correct. you've hit the nail on the head there. tne— hit the nail on the head there. tne tonee— hit the nail on the head there. the tories will— hit the nail on the head there. the tories will say one thing ont— the tories will say one thing ont to— the tories will say one thing and do another.— the tories will say one thing and do another. they'll go up, tnev-tt— and do another. they'll go up, tnev-tt gtve— and do another. they'll go up, they'll give their— and do another. they'll go up,

they'll give their pretty eneeenee — they'll give their pretty speeches, they'll play to the gotten—tnetvi gallery and they'll get their onotonee. — applause. but fundamentally, toot—tone- applause. but fundamentally, toot—tone -l applause. but fundamentally,i look—done . i'm look at what they've done. i'm ent— look at what they've done. i'm etet ot— look at what they've done. i'm sick of hearing— look at what they've done. i'm sick of hearing from them. i ton-t— sick of hearing from them. i oont-tnen— sick of hearing from them. i don't-them to- sick of hearing from them. i don't them to tell sick of hearing from them. i- don't-them to tell-what don't want them to tell me what tnev-ve— don't want them to tell me what tnev-ve-to. — don't want them to tell me what tnev-ve-to. t— don't want them to tell me what they're-do. i want- don't want them to tell me what they're do. i want them they're going to do. i want them to—tnev-ve- they're going to do. i want them to _they've done. to tell me what they've done once—tt. - to tell me what they've done once—tt. tn- to tell me what they've done once—it. i'm not to tell me what they've done onceito-it. i'm not to tell me what they've done once to buy it. i'm not to tell me what they've done once to buy it it. i'm not to tell me what they've done once to buy it anyt. i'm not to tell me what they've done once to buy it any more.not to tell me what they've done once to buy it any more. but going to buy it any more. but tetng— going to buy it any more. but we're being forced at the moment to-veotttv.— we're being forced at the moment to-veotttv. vve— we're being forced at the moment to-reality. we-see- to deny reality. we can see it in to deny reality. we can see it tn nont— to deny reality. we can see it tn tvont ot— to deny reality. we can see it in front of playing his day in front of us playing his day ont— in front of us playing his day one-eon— in front of us playing his day ont-eovt to.— in front of us playing his day and say, no, that's and they say, no, that's not nnot—tt-e- what you're seeing. it's eonetntng— what you're seeing. it's something actually and what you're seeing. it's- something-actually and if something else. actually and if you something else. actually and if von eneot— something else. actually and if von eneot ont— something else. actually and if you speak out and— something else. actually and if you speak out and say, well, oetnottv— you speak out and say, well, oetnottv-eee— you speak out and say, well, actually-see it- you speak out and say, well, actually see it for actually i can see it for myself— actually i can see it for nveett. tnev— actually i can see it for. myself, they -you myself, they sideline you and nottgn— myself, they sideline you and nottgn-tnvn- myself, they sideline you and malign-turn-into myself, they sideline you and- malign-turn-into the malign you and turn you into the vtttotn— malign you and turn you into the vtttotn-tt-e— malign you and turn you into the villain.-it's about- malign you and turn you into the villain. it's about time villain. but no, it's about time we oetnottv— villain. but no, it's about time we actually-and- villain. but no, it's about time we actually and said, we actually spoke out and said, no, we actually spoke out and said, tot-nnot— we actually spoke out and said, tot-nnotleee- we actually spoke out and said,| no,-whatlsee-we're no, i know what i see and we're not—ton— no, i know what i see and we're not—ton tne- no, i know what i see and we're not—for the trick. not going to fall for the trick onvnoe ent— not going to fall for the trick anymore. but what's the pitch for anymore. but what's the pitch to tne— anymore. but what's the pitch for the conservative party at tne— for the conservative party at the next election? we've been in none—ttne- the next election? we've been in toner—ttne ot- power for 13 years. three of tnoee— power for 13 years. three of tnoee veone— power for 13 years. three of those years we've eight those years we've had an eight eeot— those years we've had an eight ote—- those years we've had an eight seat—we haven't. seat majority and we haven't eotvet— seat majority and we haven't solved_problems.| seat majority and we haven't. solved—problems. or solved any of the problems. or vnen— solved any of the problems. or vnenittone— solved any of the problems. or when-blame the- solved any of the problems. or when blame the civil servants when we blame the civil servants and when we blame the civil servants ont-tovvveve— and the lefty lawyers, well, okavv— and the lefty lawyers, well, okavv tt— and the lefty lawyers, well, okayv tt yon-n— and the lefty lawyers, well, okay, if you're in power and you eon-t— okay, if you're in power and you eon-tlonvtntng— okay, if you're in power and you can't anything about can't do anything about it, vett— can't do anything about it, wen—we- can't do anything about it,l wen—we-n. can't do anything about it,- well,_we-for you well, why should we vote for you ogotne—ve- well, why should we vote for you ogotne—ve ont- well, why should we vote for you ogotne—ve nnt vonl again? why should we put you toot— again? why should we put you toot-noven— again? why should we put you. back-power?-there back into power? yeah. and there is back into power? yeah. and there te—vvett.- back into power? yeah. and there te—vvett. tt- is also, of course. well, it vtt— is also, of course. well, it will be. it'll be even worse under labour. well, it may well be even worse under but under labour. well, it may well b1l0l 'en worse under but under labour. well, it may well blot of worse under but under labour. well, it may well blot of people jnder but under labour. well, it may well blot of people would but under labour. well, it may well blot of people would argue but under labour. well, it may well blot of people would argue it'st a lot of people would argue it's pretty anyway. right. a lot of people would argue it's prettythank anyway. right.

a lot of people would argue it's prettythank you anyway. right. a lot of people would argue it's prettythank you very ay. right. a lot of people would argue it's prettythank you very much,it. look, thank you very much, benjamin there benjamin lockney. there is immigration the bow benjamin lockney. there is immigigood the bow benjamin lockney. there is immigigood stuff. the bow benjamin lockney. there is immigigood stuff. nowhe bow benjamin lockney. there is immigigood stuff. now loadsv benjamin lockney. there is immigigood stuff. now loads of group. good stuff. now loads of different for to talk different angles for us to talk about from this. national conservatives conference and specifically what suella braverman had to say as well. i'm going through some of i'm going to run through some of them you now. she says them again for you now. she says it's to wants to cut it's not racist to wants to cut legal migration mass legal migration and mass migration numbers. i want to know gbviews@gbnews.uk. know from you gbviews@gbnews.uk. have you ever self censored yourself? dinner yourself? say it's at a dinner party the pub wherever yourself? say it's at a dinner partgo, the pub wherever yourself? say it's at a dinner partgo, right?e pub wherever yourself? say it's at a dinner partgo, right? because lvherever yourself? say it's at a dinner partgo, right? because you ever yourself? say it's at a dinner partgo, right? because you are you go, right? because you are afraid of seeming like you're racist because you don't want wholesale , rapid, rapid, wholesale, rapid, rapid, rapid demographic change and cultural change in your local area. i want to hear from you on that one. it's also, of course, talking about getting more brits into work so don't have into work so that we don't have to this quote unquote to have this quote unquote reliance foreign cheap reliance on foreign cheap laboun reliance on foreign cheap labour. how do we go about doing that ? is that labour. how do we go about doing that? is that fair enough? are brits a bit lazy sometimes? is it of our response it a part of our own response ability? and she talks ability? and also she talks about with their about being honest with their principles. of about being honest with their prin would of about being honest with their prinwould like of about being honest with their prinwould like to of about being honest with their prinwould like to see of about being honest with their prin would like to see suella you would like to see suella braverman conservative braverman in the conservative party , not party have more actions, not just words, we have already just words, but we have already talked suella braverman talked about suella braverman speech disrupted by speech being disrupted by protesters. she was heckled twice during that. but a little

earlier in the day, former brexit secretary and gb news presenter jacob brexit secretary and gb news presenterjacob rees—mogg brexit secretary and gb news presenter jacob rees—mogg was also heckled at this national conservatism conference. bupa bird . but back to conservatism conference. bupa bird. but back to work conservatism conference. bupa bird . but back to work. well, bird. but back to work. well, there we go . our jolly- 2 2 well, there we go . our jolly good there we go. our jolly good tettov— there we go. our jolly good tetton noe— there we go. our jolly good fellow has had— there we go. our jolly good fellow has had to leave, but we tetteve— fellow has had to leave, but we tetteve .— fellow has had to leave, but we tetteve . vve— fellow has had to leave, but we believe . we believe in believe. we believe in freedom of believe. we believe in freedom ot speech-— believe. we believe in freedom ot eneeen. so— believe. we believe in freedom of speech. so he— believe. we believe in freedom of speech. so he can have his tottonot— of speech. so he can have his national loonies_ of speech. so he can have his national loonies conference next week— national loonies conference next week ont— national loonies conference next week ont ne— national loonies conference next week ont ne eon— national loonies conference next week and he can see how many neonte— week and he can see how many people ne— week and he can see how many people ne gete— week and he can see how many people ne gete to— week and he can see how many people he gets to come along . people he gets to come along. nett— people he gets to come along. vvett. tnen— people he gets to come along. well, there you— people he gets to come along. well, there you go. look, as ttn— well, there you go. look, as this conference runs on, it is, i think, important to ask whether or not the right of the conservative party is due some kind of splinter and maybe set up their own party, but to a different party now because sir keir starmer says that labour is looking at plans to not just let

16 year olds have the vote , but 16 year olds have the vote, but also potentially eu nationals living in this country. on the 16 year old's point is that far too young. do they know what they're on about? and on the eu nationals thing ? that right? nationals thing? is that right? i we necessarily i don't think we can necessarily go abroad and vote in their countries. shall we? it vote countries. shall we? is it vote rigging? christie's rigging? i'm patrick christie's on news

gb news radio . ”ti: gb news radio. i'm sure you've all seen unherd, keir starmer comments about voting reform in this country. now he's at least tntnttng— this country. now he's at least thinking about— this country. now he's at least thinking about the _ t2tit. now he's at least thinking about the idea that eu nottonote— thinking about the idea that eu nationals will— thinking about the idea that eu nationals will be— thinking about the idea that eu nationals will be able to vote at nationals will be able to vote ot genent— nationals will be able to vote at general elections in this eonntvn— at general elections in this eonntvv-t-n- at general elections in this country. i'm going to be country. and i'm going to be totttng—ongte- country. and i'm going to bei talking—anglelit talking about that angle of it in talking about that angle of it tn-nonn— talking about that angle of it tn-nonn ent- talking about that angle of it in hour. but right now, in the next hour. but right now, if in the next hour. but right now, tt von-e— in the next hour. but right now, tt vonte te— in the next hour. but right now, if you're 16 years— in the next hour. but right now, if you're 16 years of age, you get— if you're 16 years of age, you can get married— if you're 16 years of age, you can get married you can get married and you can eton— can get married and you can etonltonttv— can get married and you can startlfamily and- can get married and you can start family and you can even start a family and you can even totn— start a family and you can even totn tne— start a family and you can even on tne otnet— start a family and you can even join the armed forces. but enontt— join the armed forces. but enontt von— join the armed forces. but should you be— join the armed forces. but should you be able to vote teeonee— should you be able to vote because sir— should you be able to vote because sir keir- should you be able to vote because sir keir starmer says tnot— because sir keir starmer says that—considering. that labour are considering gtvtng— that labour are considering. gtvtng—tne giving 16 and 17 year olds the ntgnt— giving 16 and 17 year olds the ngnt-tne- giving 16 and 17 year olds the right the moment giving 16 and 17 year olds the. right-the moment you right to vote at the moment you nove—vote— right to vote at the moment you nove—vote tn- right to vote at the moment you nove—vote tn o- have to be 18 to vote in a genent—

have to be 18 to vote in a general election. they're 16 and 17 general election. they're 16 and n-otte— general election. they're 16 and n-otte ot— general election. they're 16 and 17-olds of course- general election. they're 16 and 17 olds of course can vote 17 year olds of course can vote in 17 year olds of course can vote tn eteettone— 17 year olds of course can vote in elections-the— 17 year olds of course can vote in elections the scottish and in elections to the scottish and teen— in elections to the scottish and welsh devolved— in elections to the scottish and welsh devolved assemblies. as stotnet— starmer says that allowing someone-to- starmer says that allowing someone to vote is starmer says that allowing- someone -to vote is not someone who's 16 to vote is not an outlandish— someone who's 16 to vote is not an outlandish idea.— someone who's 16 to vote is not an outlandish idea. earlier on i eongnt— an outlandish idea. earlier on i eongnt nn— an outlandish idea. earlier on i eongnt no vttn— an outlandish idea. earlier on i caught up with the general gntte— caught up with the general nnttte to— caught up with the general nnttte to get— caught up with the general public to get their on the public to get their take on the nonoeote. — public to get their take on the nonoeote. n— public to get their take on the proposals. 16-0lds.- public to get their take on the proposals. �*7 proposals. 16 year olds. that is a good question as well. yeah, i think so, because— a good question as well. yeah, i think so, because they- g: 2“ yeah, i think so, because they have to pay— think so, because they have to oov toxee— think so, because they have to oov tooee ntgnt— think so, because they have to pay taxes right when work. pay taxes right when they work. so pay taxes right when they work. so tnot— pay taxes right when they work. so tnot nonev— pay taxes right when they work. so their money is— pay taxes right when they work. so their money is going- pay taxes right when they work. so their money is going into a pot and a government that they don't have a say in. so i think, yeah, i think 16 year olds should be able to vote. well, 16 year olds should be able to vote. well, 16 veon otte ntgnt— should be able to vote. well, 16 year olds might-able- should be able to vote. well, 16 year olds might-able to- 2 well, 16 year olds might able to vote, year olds might be able to vote, but year olds might be able to vote, tntlteet— year olds might be able to vote, tntlteet tt— year olds might be able to vote, butlfeel it should— year olds might be able to vote, but feel it should to 18 but i feel it should be 17 to 18 veon— but i feel it should be 17 to 18 ven-note— but i feel it should be 17 to 18 year-more than- but i feel it should be 17 to 18 year more than year year olds, more than 16 year otte—notl year olds, more than 16 year. olds,_not sure olds, because they're not sure nnot— olds, because they're not sure nnot-to— olds, because they're not sure nnot-to to. - olds, because they're not sure what-to do. they. olds, because they're not sure- what-to do. they might what they want to do. they might nove — what they want to do. they might nove tne — what they want to do. they might have the capacity— what they want to do. they might have the capacity to let you know— have the capacity to let you tnovv nnot— have the capacity to let you know what they— have the capacity to let you know what they want to do, but tnev— know what they want to do, but tnev ntgnt— know what they want to do, but they might-able- know what they want to do, but they might able to they might not be able to understand— they might not be able to understand it— they might not be able to understand it in very much way. i understand it in very much way. t tttnt— understand it in very much way. t tntnt tnev-te— understand it in very much way. i think they're doing— understand it in very much way. i think they're doing much- understand it in very much way. i think they're doing much more than voting at the minute, aren't they? they're changing gentee— aren't they? they're changing gentete ,— aren't they? they're changing genders , making— aren't they? they're changing genders , making it- 31:3" . fiat? they're changing genders , making it up as they go genders, making it up as they go otong. — genders, making it up as they go otong. ant— genders, making it up as they go otong. no not— genders, making it up as they go along. and not trying- genders, making it up as they go along. “g genders, making it up as they go along. “2 “g 2 along. and not trying to focus on long term strategies for families all sorts of families and all sorts of voting. yeah why not? why not?

why not the kids? have a great day . why not the kids? have a great tov . tote— why not the kids? have a great tov . tote onoe— why not the kids? have a great day . take care. well,- titty 257 have a great day . take care. well, there we day. take care. well, there we 90- — day. take care. well, there we go. joining— day. take care. well, there we go. joining ne— day. take care. well, there we go. joining me now- day. take care. well, there we go. joining me now is- day. take care. well, there we go. “ “lg day. take care. well, there we- go. joining me now is our deputy political editor, tom harwood, who would like to issue a strongly worded complaint about the introduction that i just read out there. tom. patrick, vont— read out there. tom. patrick, your instruction _ 2 “ti2ti tom. patrick, your instruction would have been oteotntetv— your instruction would have been absolutely correct. _ your instruction would have been absolutely correct. a few years ogo. — absolutely correct. a few years ogo. ent— absolutely correct. a few years ogo. nnt one— absolutely correct. a few years ogo. nnt ot— absolutely correct. a few years ago. but one of the remarkable tntnge—etonv- ago. but one of the remarkable things-storylthatl things about this story is that oetnottv— things about this story is that oetnottv te— things about this story is that actually 16 and— things about this story is that actually 16 and 17 year olds nove— actually 16 and 17 year olds nove teen— actually 16 and 17 year olds have been getting fewer rights teeenttv—otl recently rather than more of ten — recently rather than more of them -february- recently rather than more of them february this year, them as of february this year, it them as of february this year, t noe— them as of february this year, it has become— them as of february this year, it has become illegal for 16 and 17 it has become illegal for 16 and n veon— it has become illegal for 16 and n veot otte— it has become illegal for 16 and n veon otte to— it has become illegal for 16 and 17 year olds to get— it has become illegal for 16 and 17 year olds to get married in the— 17 year olds to get married in the connot— 17 year olds to get married in this country, even— 17 year olds to get married in this country, even even with notentot— this country, even even with parental consent— this country, even even with parental consent . and that's parental consent. and that's teeonee— parental consent. and that's teeonee ot— parental consent. and that's because of a— parental consent. and that's because of a huge concern about some-communities- some minority communities eneettte— some minority communities specific albie_ some minority communities specific albie putting huge sort of specific albie putting huge sort ot nneente— specific albie putting huge sort ot nneente ot— specific albie putting huge sort of pressure of arranged marriage and exploitation— of pressure of arranged marriage and exploitation on of children. stnttottv— and exploitation on of children. stnttottv to— and exploitation on of children. similarly to 16— and exploitation on of children. similarly to 16 and 17 year olds connot— similarly to 16 and 17 year olds eonnot ttgnt— similarly to 16 and 17 year olds cannot fight for— similarly to 16 and 17 year olds cannot fight for britain in war tnot— cannot fight for britain in war tnot goee— cannot fight for britain in war that goes against the un convention— that goes against the un convention on- that goes against the un convention on child refugee on ento— convention on child refugee on child soldiers— convention on child refugee on child soldiers ,— convention on child refugee on child soldiers , as— convention on child refugee on child soldiers , as there's all child soldiers, as there's all eone— child soldiers, as there's all eone ot— child soldiers, as there's all sorts of relatively recent prosecutions— sorts of relatively recent prosecutions that have come in for prosecutions that have come in to te— prosecutions that have come in to to ont— prosecutions that have come in to to ont n— prosecutions that have come in for 16 and 17 year— prosecutions that have come in for 16 and 17 year olds. after gt.— for 16 and 17 year olds. after gt, tnev— for 16 and 17 year olds. after gt, tnev oe— for 16 and 17 year olds. after all, they are seen- for 16 and 17 year olds. after all, they are seen as children in all, they are seen as children tn ton— all, they are seen as children tn tov tn— all, they are seen as children in law in this— all, they are seen as children in law in this country. stnttottvt— in law in this country. similarly, we've been having

tteeneeton— similarly, we've been having discussion about— similarly, we've been having discussion about raising the age at discussion about raising the age ot vnten— discussion about raising the age at which someone— discussion about raising the age at which someone can play in the tottonot— at which someone can play in the national national— at which someone can play in the national national lottery that's teen— national national lottery that's teen nteet— national national lottery that's been raised to— national national lottery that's been raised to 18— national national lottery that's been raised to 18 recently. the age— been raised to 18 recently. the oge ot— been raised to 18 recently. the oge ot vvnten— been raised to 18 recently. the age at which people can drink ont— age at which people can drink ont emoet— age at which people can drink and smoke. there— age at which people can drink and smoke. there are all sorts of discussions— and smoke. there are all sorts of discussions about that going tevont— of discussions about that going tevont-ot— of discussions about that going tevont-ot te- of discussions about that going beyond-of 18 as- of discussions about that going beyond of 18 as well. so beyond the age of 18 as well. so it beyond the age of 18 as well. so tt toee— beyond the age of 18 as well. so it does-rather— it does seem rather inconsistent. on this inconsistent. but just on this quicklvv— inconsistent. but just on this quicklyv tom.— inconsistent. but just on this quicklyv tom. te— inconsistent. but just on this quickly, tom, is it would it be eonettetet— quickly, tom, is it would it be considered rigging by keir considered vote rigging by keir etotmen— considered vote rigging by keir starmer,-think? - considered vote rigging by keir starmer, think? starmer, do you think? if he tented— starmer, do you think? if he decided that— starmer, do you think? if he decided that he— starmer, do you think? if he decided that he wanted open decided that he wanted to open up to olds? up the vote to 16 year olds? because honest, we kind because let's be honest, we kind of most those of know which way most of those people vote. well, i think people would vote. well, i think the people would vote. well, i think tne gneetton— people would vote. well, i think the question has— people would vote. well, i think the question has-asked- 2 well, i think the question has asked if the question has to be asked if the question has to be asked if tne totont— the question has to be asked if the labour-thinks- the question has to be asked if the labour thinks that 16 the labour party thinks that 16 ont— the labour party thinks that 16 ontlveot— the labour party thinks that 16 and lyear-childrenl and 17 year olds are children nno— and 17 year olds are children nno neet— and 17 year olds are children who need more— and 17 year olds are children who need more protection from gomtttng.— who need more protection from gambling, advertising or from emottng— smoking or from drinking or from all smoking or from drinking or from ott-tntnge— smoking or from drinking or from ott-tntnge oe— smoking or from drinking or from all-things as they- smoking or from drinking or from all things as they as all of those things as they as tnev— all of those things as they as tnev eo— all of those things as they as tnev eo to.— all of those things as they as they so do,-this- all of those things as they as. they so do,-this-area they so do, why in this one area are they so do, why in this one area tnev— they so do, why in this one area tnev not— they so do, why in this one area are they not being— they so do, why in this one area are they not being seen as entttten— are they not being seen as children that— are they not being seen as children that should raise some gneettone—tnei questions in terms of what the tntenttone— questions in terms of what the intentions behind— questions in terms of what the intentions behind policy intentions behind this policy enonge— intentions behind this policyi change—stuff. change are. some great stuff. i'll change are. some great stuff. t-tt-to— change are. some great stuff. t-tt-to von— change are. some great stuff. i'll-to you more- change are. some great stuff. i'll to you more about this i'll talk to you more about this a i'll talk to you more about this o—tn- i'll talk to you more about this o—tn tne- a little bit later on in the eton— a little bit later on in the enovv. — a little bit later on in the enovv. so— a little bit later on in the show. so deputy- a little bit later on in the show. 2 t2nftl show. so deputy political editor tom joining tom harwood there. but joining me now is the political commentator, steven carlton woods. i've also got portia woods. and i've also got portia barry kilby from young voices. so first. so it's always ladies first. star, with you . do star, we'll start with you. do you think that 16 year olds

should vote? i, should be able to vote? i, i don't . not at all. should be able to vote? i, i don't. not at all. i think at tne— don't. not at all. i think at tne oge— don't. not at all. i think at tne oge ot— don't. not at all. i think at the age of 16,— don't. not at all. i think at the age of 16, you're still toeteottv— the age of 16, you're still toeteottv o— the age of 16, you're still basically a child, or at least vonte— basically a child, or at least vonte not— basically a child, or at least vonte not on— basically a child, or at least you're not an adult. but you conto— you're not an adult. but you eontt etttt— you're not an adult. but you could still not— you're not an adult. but you could still not have even ttntenet— could still not have even finished off— could still not have even finished off puberty at that notnt— finished off puberty at that notnt .— finished off puberty at that notnt . ant— finished off puberty at that point . and might be point. and you might still be votttng— point. and you might still be waiting-a—levels- point. and you might still be waiting a—levels , which waiting to take a—levels, which meone-eontt— waiting to take a—levels, which means-could be— waiting to take a—levels, which means could be and the means you could be 16. and the ttggeet— means you could be 16. and the ttggeet tne— means you could be 16. and the biggest life decision you've had to—von- biggest life decision you've had to—von totel biggest life decision you've had. to _you take gcse to make is whether you take gcse tootteen— to make is whether you take gcse foodtech -textiles, - to make is whether you take gcse foodtech textiles, which foodtech or gcse textiles, which i foodtech or gcse textiles, which t ton-t— foodtech or gcse textiles, which t ton-t nonv— foodtech or gcse textiles, which i don't really think— foodtech or gcse textiles, which i don't really think means that vonte— i don't really think means that vonte gntte— i don't really think means that vonte gntte tn— i don't really think means that you're quite in position be you're quite in a position to be teenonettte— you're quite in a position to be responsible citizen of the tntnte— responsible citizen of the tntnte ont— responsible citizen of the future and cast your vote in a genent— future and cast your vote in a general election.— future and cast your vote in a general election. it's interesting- general election. it's interesting to from general election. it's- interesting to -from a general election. it's— interesting to -from a young interesting to hear from a young neeon— interesting to hear from a young neeon tnen— interesting to hear from a young person theniknow_ interesting to hear from a young person then know fan. person then i know a fan. stoven— person then i know a fan. stoven ot— person then i know a fan. stoven ot-o- person then i know a fan. | steven of -a slightly, steven of course a slightly, slightly age range, slightly different age range, if you saying, where you don't mind me saying, where are this? then well, are you on this? then well, you've got to draw the line in the sand somewhere. and i think 18 has the sand somewhere. and i think to toe teen— the sand somewhere. and i think 18 has been the— the sand somewhere. and i think 18 has been the standard- 2 and i think 18 has been the standard for a tong— 18 has been the standard for a tong ttme— 18 has been the standard for a tong ttme no— 18 has been the standard for a long time now . _ 18 has been the standard for a long time now. 18 has been the standard for a long time now . l“ti”ti long time now. but there's an imbalance on this. long time now. but there's an imbalance on this . i remember i imbalance on this. i remember i can remember as far back as being 16 and 17, um , and it's being 16 and 17, um, and it's quite frustrating that some things you're excluded from , but things you're excluded from, but even go back further than that, 40 year olds having to pay adult

pnces 40 year olds having to pay adult prices and adult fares . um, prices and adult fares. um, should, you know , um, should, you know , there's loads should, you know, there's loads of should, you know, there's loads ot gneettone— should, you know, there's loads of questions to _ should, you know, there's loads of questions to erase about that but of questions to erase about that tnt nm — of questions to erase about that tnt nm ,— of questions to erase about that tnt nm ,the_ of questions to erase about that but um , the thing— of questions to erase about that but um , the thing is a 1617 year but um, the thing is a 1617 year old but um, the thing is a 1617 year ott eon-t— but um, the thing is a 1617 year ott eon-t get— but um, the thing is a 1617 year ott eon-t get o— but um, the thing is a 1617 year old can't get a mortgage and otvtonetv— old can't get a mortgage and obviously they— old can't get a mortgage and obviously they can't buy alcohol . ant— obviously they can't buy alcohol . ant tne— obviously they can't buy alcohol . and the film _ obviously they can't buy alcohol . and the film classifications is set at 18. would they change all that as a package or are they just going to pick out what suits labour? and this is very much a situation of political parties. we've seen it in scotland, we've seen it in wales where they've picked out something that suits them for a particular purpose . yeah, i particular purpose. yeah, i don't think there's anything more that. ithink more to say to that. i think i think i think— more to say to that. i think i think i think you've- more to say to that. i think i think i think you've hit- i think i think i think you've hit the not—tnen- think i think you've hit the. nail—there about think i think you've hit the- nail_there about the nail on the head there about the notenttot— nail on the head there about the notenttot vote— nail on the head there about the potential vote rigging element to-nnt— potential vote rigging element to-nnt nonto— potential vote rigging element to but portia, young to this. but portia, young peontet— to this. but portia, young people,-about- to this. but portia, youngi people,-about-a to this. but portia, young- people,-about-a story people, i'm about to do a story totet—vonngl later on about 1 in 10 young neonte— later on about 1 in 10 young neonte-tnongnl later on about 1 in 10 young. people -though they people feeling as though they wont— people feeling as though they vont-gente- - people feeling as though they want-gender. i- people feeling as though they want gender. i mean, want to change gender. i mean, if want to change gender. i mean, t tnev— want to change gender. i mean, t tnev one— want to change gender. i mean, t tnev eo— want to change gender. i mean, if they are so confused about nnot— if they are so confused about vnot tnev— if they are so confused about what they -when - if they are so confused about what they when look what they see when they look tonn— what they see when they look town—nov- what they see when they look town—non on | what they see when they look- down_how on earth down in the shower, how on earth are down in the shower, how on earth one—teot— down in the shower, how on earth one—teot-o- are they going to deal with a tottot— are they going to deal with a tottot potent — are they going to deal with a ballot paper? �*ft�*till ballot paper? well, i think honestly, fair. and honestly, that's very fair. and there's to suggest there's no indication to suggest that are getting that young people are getting more mature that they are

more mature or that they are taking bigger life decisions more . i think if more responsibly. i think if anything, we have more people going to university, which basically prolongs your immature years because you don't have real responsible parties. you're living in cushy student accommodation, you're racking up debt mindlessly and you've not entered the real world. you're delaying having a proper job, delaying having a properjob, you're delaying starting a family. and it's those things which actually make you grasp what life is about and have a vested interest in your country what life is about and have a vest how iterest in your country what life is about and have a vest how you st in your country what life is about and have a vest how you vote.tour country what life is about and have a vest how you vote. stephenttry what life is about and have a vest how you vote. stephen let me and how you vote. stephen let me just put the other to this just put the other side to this up say, well, look, up and just say, well, look, with with absolute with again, with absolute respect, someone who's 16 now may have longer may well have slightly a longer political career, shall i say that, than your first self. and so do they not have a right to nett— so do they not have a right to net enone— so do they not have a right to net enone tne— so do they not have a right to help shape the future of this eonntnve— help shape the future of this eonntnve-voe- help shape the future of this country? was one of the big country? that was one of the big ongnmente— country? that was one of the big arguments about— country? that was one of the big arguments about brexit vote, arguments about the brexit vote, noet— arguments about the brexit vote, vvoet ttn— arguments about the brexit vote, vvoet to too— arguments about the brexit vote, wasn't it? too many old people voted— wasn't it? too many old people voted-ont— wasn't it? too many old people voted-and-won'tj voted for brexit and they won't eee-tomoge— voted for brexit and they won't see damage they've see the damage that they've done — see the damage that they've done vett— see the damage that they've done. well, young- see the damage that they've done. “t2g see the damage that they've done. g done. well, young people can still involved with politics still get involved with politics even locally here. there's a young political organisations for the conservative party and

the labour party and the green party and the lib dems. so we've already got 16, 17 year olds involved in politics and it's all part of the process . you all part of the process. you just have to bide your time and wait till you're 18. i would say , okay, look both of you, i've thoroughly enjoyed that. thank you very much. thoroughly enjoyed that. thank you-very much. political. you very, very much. political commentator— commentator stephen carlton was and commentator stephen carlton was ont—ttttv- commentator stephen carlton was ont—ttttv .- and also portia barry kilby. tnev-ne— and also portia barry kilby. tnev-ne-vonng- and also portia barry kilby.- they're-young-now , they're from young voices now, we neon— they're from young voices now, we neon o— they're from young voices now, we neon o tot— they're from young voices now, we hear a lot of— they're from young voices now, we hear a lot of key points tnen— we hear a lot of key points tnene. t— we hear a lot of key points there. i think— we hear a lot of key points there. i think when comes to there. i think when it comes to young— there. i think when it comes to vonng-tetng— there. i think when it comes to young-being able- there. i think when it comes to young being able to vote young people being able to vote the young people being able to vote tne moet— young people being able to vote the most important one for me, tnongn— the most important one for me, tnongn-tnte- the most important one for me, though,-this just- the most important one for me, though, this just not the most important one for me, thcshameless this just not the most important one for me, thc shameless voteiis just not the most important one for me, thc shameless vote riggingnot the most important one for me, thc shameless vote rigging with a be shameless vote rigging with a teete— be shameless vote rigging with a teetne ton— be shameless vote rigging with a desire for-younger— be shameless vote rigging with a desire for younger people to desire for the younger people to be desire for the younger people to temo—ne- be able to become more potent— be able to become more. politically—kind politically active in a kind of oettve— politically active in a kind of active—sense- politically active in a kind of active—sense of. active democratic sense of vottnge— active democratic sense of vottnge-ott— active democratic sense of voting? all democracy , voting? i'm all for democracy, of course, but— voting? i'm all for democracy, of course, but would it not be enometeeetv— of course, but would it not be shamelessly designed to get them to vote— shamelessly designed to get them to vote ton— shamelessly designed to get them to vote for-wing— shamelessly designed to get them to vote for wing parties? to vote for left wing parties? tnen— to vote for left wing parties? tnen von— to vote for left wing parties? then you couple— to vote for left wing parties? then you couple that the eu then you couple that with the eu nottonote— then you couple that with the eu nottonote ,— then you couple that with the eu nationals , which— then you couple that with the eu nationals , which are to be nationals, which are going to be totttng— nationals, which are going to be totttng-toten— nationals, which are going to be talking - later on - nationals, which are going to be talking later on being talking about later on being otte— talking about later on being oote-t— talking about later on being able-i can't- talking about later on being able i can't help but able to vote. i can't help but vvonent— able to vote. i can't help but wonder-or-thisl able to vote. i can't help buti wonder-or-this is wonder whether or not this is part— wonder whether or not this is oont-onn— wonder whether or not this is part plan potentially to part of a plan potentially to try part of a plan potentially to tnv—totonn- part of a plan potentially toj try—labour slash try to secure a labour slash tett— try to secure a labour slash tett vtng— try to secure a labour slash left wing slash _ try to secure a labour slash left wing slash progressive otttonee— left wing slash progressive alliance forever country alliance forever in this country vottng— alliance forever in this country vottng neonnnt — alliance forever in this country voting reform in— alliance forever in this country voting reform in general, i.e. tntngtng— voting reform in general, i.e. tntngtng tn— voting reform in general, i.e. bringing in proportional representation. on top of that

nonto— representation. on top of that would probably— representation. on top of that would probably change political nontee— would probably change political nonttee tn— would probably change political nontee tn tnte— would probably change political parties in this country forever. ant— parties in this country forever. ant t— parties in this country forever. ant t eon-t— parties in this country forever. and i can't help— parties in this country forever. and i can't help but wonder vnetnen— and i can't help but wonder vnetnen on— and i can't help but wonder whether or not— and i can't help but wonder whether or not that is what's neottv— whether or not that is what's neottv gotng— whether or not that is what's neottv gotng on— whether or not that is what's really going on here. vaiews@gbnews.uk loads more to tetneen— vaiews@gbnews.uk loads more to come between now— vaiews@gbnews.uk loads more to come between now and 4 pm. as ten— come between now and 4 pm. as ttent snnot— come between now and 4 pm. as rishi sunak holds— come between now and 4 pm. as rishi sunak holds talks with vtottmt— rishi sunak holds talks with vladimir zelenskyy controversial one vladimir zelenskyy controversial tnte— vladimir zelenskyy controversial tnte t-m— vladimir zelenskyy controversial one this i'm going— vladimir zelenskyy controversial one this i'm going to ask for. non— one this i'm going to ask for. non mnen— one this i'm going to ask for. how much longer— one this i'm going to ask for. how much longer can we keep tnnttng— how much longer can we keep tnnttng tnte— how much longer can we keep funding this war?— how much longer can we keep funding this war? is it time now to onen— funding this war? is it time now to net ton— funding this war? is it time now to push for peace— funding this war? is it time now to push for peace ?_ funding this war? is it time now to push for peace ? and after the to push for peace? and after the ttne— to push for peace? and after the we own— to push for peace? and after the uk's awful performance at tnnovteton— uk's awful performance at eurovision, i— uk's awful performance at eurovision, i will look at vvnetnen— eurovision, i will look at whether it— eurovision, i will look at whether it was- eurovision, i will look at whether it was a bad song, a bad etngen— whether it was a bad song, a bad etngen. on— whether it was a bad song, a bad etngen. on noe— whether it was a bad song, a bad singer, or was it— whether it was a bad song, a bad singer, or was it actually the etc-e— singer, or was it actually the nnc-e tonne— singer, or was it actually the bbc's fault? now, though, neotttnee— bbc's fault? now, though, headlines with . tamsin patrick headlines with. tamsin patrick tnonte— headlines with. tamsin patrick tnonte venv— headlines with. tamsin patrick thanks very much. 531i: headlines with. tamsin patrick thanks very much. 61:2 31:3 thanks very much. here are the headunes thanks very much. here are the headlines as at 333 the home secretary has defended the government's plan to cut net migration, saying it's not racist to want to control our borders. in a speech at the national conservatism conference, suella braverman added that it's not bigoted to say there are too many asylum

seekers in the country . she seekers in the country. she argued that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable and will be a burden on housing. pubuc will be a burden on housing. public services and local communities . and she says there communities. and she says there should be a bigger focus on creating highly skilled workers as the labour market has acute or structural shortages as as with the nhs, it is of course right that we should have an immigration system , um, agile immigration system, um, agile enough to plug those shortages , enough to plug those shortages, but we need to get overall immigration numbers down. there is no good reason why we t2gflie tit“ there is no good reason why we can't tntn— is no good reason why we can't tnotn nn— is no good reason why we can't tnotn no enongn— is no good reason why we can't train up enough truck drivers, tntenene— train up enough truck drivers, tntenene ,— train up enough truck drivers, butchers , fruit— train up enough truck drivers, butchers , fruit pickers, butchers, fruit pickers, tntttene— butchers, fruit pickers, builders or— butchers, fruit pickers, builders or welders. fittix . builders or welders. brexit enottee— builders or welders. brexit enottee ne— builders or welders. brexit enables us to— builders or welders. brexit enables us to build a high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour. the uk is to start training ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter jets in the near future. the prime tttnteten— the near future. the prime minister has— the near future. the prime minister has met- the prime minister has met ukrainian nneettent— minister has met ukrainian president zelenskyy at chequers,

but president zelenskyy at chequers, tnt eon— president zelenskyy at chequers, tnt eott tnot— president zelenskyy at chequers, but said that providing war otonee— but said that providing war otonee noe— but said that providing war planes was not— but said that providing war planes was not straightforward. at tne— planes was not straightforward. at the moment— planes was not straightforward. at the moment the meeting comes as at the moment the meeting comes oe tne— at the moment the meeting comes oe tne tot-e— at the moment the meeting comes as the uk's pledge— at the moment the meeting comes as the uk's pledge to send nnntnete— as the uk's pledge to send hundreds of— as the uk's pledge to send hundreds of new long—range ottoet— hundreds of new long—range attack drones— hundreds of new long—range attack drones to _ hundreds of new long—range attack drones to ukraine. o“ti attack drones to ukraine. one tntng— attack drones to ukraine. one tntng ve— attack drones to ukraine. one tntng ve vtt— attack drones to ukraine. one thing we will be— attack drones to ukraine. one thing we will be doing starting actually relatively soon is training of ukrainian pilots , training of ukrainian pilots, and that's something that we've discussed today. and we're ready to those plans in to implement those plans in relatively short order, which will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become absolutely combat ready aircraft , pilots . well, president , pilots. well, president zetenetvv— , pilots. well, president zelenskyy said- well, president zelenskyy said the fighter jets are an important— zelenskyy said the fighter jets are an important issue for his eonntnv-e— are an important issue for his country's defence. 2 country's defence. today we eonte— country's defence. today we spoke about the jets. very important topic for us because we can't control the sky. you know it. so i think you know everything deeply because we're real partners. really he knows all the details of what's going on on our battlefield. thank you very much. and we want to create these jets coalition and i'm

very positive with it . tv online very positive with it. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is . gb news dab+ radio and on tune in. this is. gb news direct dab+ radio and on tune in. this is . gb news direct bullion- is. gb news direct bullion sponsors the— is. gb news direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb sponsors the finance report on on tene— sponsors the finance report on on tene ton— sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold— sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver tnveetment— gb news for gold and silver tnveetment .— gb news for gold and silver investment . _ gb news for gold and silver investment . 531i: gb news for gold and silver investment . t2. t2< investment. here's a quick snapshot of today's markets . snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you $1.2514 ont— the pound will buy you $1.2514 ont antes.— the pound will buy you $1.2514 and ,1.1505. the— the pound will buy you $1.2514 and ,1.1505. the price of gold is and ,1.1505. the price of gold te tnotn-ee— and ,1.1505. the price of gold is £1,614.60 per— and ,1.1505. the price of gold is £1,614.60 per ounce, and the net— is £1,614.60 per ounce, and the ttst too— is £1,614.60 per ounce, and the ttst no te— is £1,614.60 per ounce, and the ttst no te .— is £1,614.60 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is . at— is £1,614.60 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is . at 7763 points. ftse 100 is. at 7763 points. nteet— ftse 100 is. at 7763 points. direct bullion _ ftse 100 is. at 7763 points. direct bullion sponsors the ttnonee— direct bullion sponsors the finance report— direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gott— finance report on gb news for gott ont— finance report on gb news for gold and silver— finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . gold and silver investment. venomo— gold and silver investment. welcome back. so- gold and silver investment. 2 2 so britain's

welcome back. so britain's commitment— welcome back. so britain's commitment to— 2 2 so britain's commitment to supporting ukraine in commitment to supporting ukraine tn tnet— commitment to supporting ukraine tn tnet vnn— commitment to supporting ukraine in their war with— commitment to supporting ukraine in their war with russia is as etnong— in their war with russia is as etnong oe— in their war with russia is as etnong oe — in their war with russia is as strong as ever. clearly. in toot.— strong as ever. clearly. in toot. von— strong as ever. clearly. in fact, you were— strong as ever. clearly. in fact, you were just hearing otont— fact, you were just hearing otont tt— fact, you were just hearing about it. now— fact, you were just hearing about it. now rishi sunak met vtottmt— about it. now rishi sunak met vladimir zelenskyy at chequers eonten— vladimir zelenskyy at chequers eontten totov— vladimir zelenskyy at chequers eontten totov .— vladimir zelenskyy at chequers earlier today . prime earlier today. the prime tttnteten— earlier today. the prime minister said— earlier today. the prime minister said that we will train ntnotnton— minister said that we will train ukrainian pilots— minister said that we will train ukrainian pilots to use different— ukrainian pilots to use different-of- ukrainian pilots to use different of aircraft . ukrainian pilots to use- different-of aircraft . the different kinds of aircraft. the uk. — different kinds of aircraft. the uk. -one— different kinds of aircraft. the uk. -one tne— different kinds of aircraft. the uk. are the important uk. these are the important ttgnnee— uk. these are the important ttgnnee nene. — uk. these are the important figures here. the uk provided tne— figures here. the uk provided tne ttttton— figures here. the uk provided £2.3 billion worth of military enooon— £2.3 billion worth of military enooon to— £2.3 billion worth of military support to ukraine in 2022. more tnon— support to ukraine in 2022. more tnon onv— support to ukraine in 2022. more tnon onv oonntnv. — support to ukraine in 2022. more than any country. other than the nnttet— than any country. other than the united states— than any country. other than the united states and— than any country. other than the united states and sunak has otneotv— united states and sunak has already committed to sustain ottom— already committed to sustain ottotn tnot— already committed to sustain attain that level— already committed to sustain attain that level of support for tnte— attain that level of support for me not — attain that level of support for tnte not so— attain that level of support for this year. so we're— attain that level of support for this year. so we're in the kind of this year. so we're in the kind ot tottoont— this year. so we're in the kind of ballpark figure— this year. so we're in the kind of ballpark figure , around £46 of ballpark figure, around £46 ttttton— of ballpark figure, around £46 billion, aren't— of ballpark figure, around £46 billion, aren't we?— of ballpark figure, around £46 billion, aren't we? and when it oooeone— billion, aren't we? and when it oooeone to— billion, aren't we? and when it oooeone to te— billion, aren't we? and when it oooeone to te o— billion, aren't we? and when it appears to be a little bit of a etotemote— appears to be a little bit of a stalemate at— appears to be a little bit of a stalemate at the— appears to be a little bit of a stalemate at the minute and you see stalemate at the minute and you tootoge— stalemate at the minute and you see footage anyway of munitions tetng— see footage anyway of munitions tetng ttovn— see footage anyway of munitions tetng ttovn no— see footage anyway of munitions being blown up and munitions tnmoe— being blown up and munitions tnmoe tetng— being blown up and munitions dumps being blown up, whether it's dumps being blown up, whether tt-e on— dumps being blown up, whether it's our supplies— dumps being blown up, whether it's our supplies or whether tt-e— it's our supplies or whether tt-e tnom — it's our supplies or whether it's from the _ it's our supplies or whether it's from the united states or vnetnen— it's from the united states or whether,.course- it's from the united states or whether, course putin's whether, of course it's putin's as whether, of course it's putin's oe-ant— whether, of course it's putin's oe-ant von— whether, of course it's putin's as-and you really- as well. and you really just eonetten— as well. and you really just consider—scalei as well. and you really just. consider—scale of consider the massive scale of tne— consider the massive scale of tne eoet— consider the massive scale of the cost that's— consider the massive scale of the cost that's going on right tnot-e— the cost that's going on right now. that's obviously without eonettentng— now. that's obviously without considering the _ now. that's obviously without considering the human suffering, ton-t— considering the human suffering, ton-t get— considering the human suffering, ton-t get-mong— considering the human suffering, don't get wrong. but the don't get me wrong. but the.

massive _financial massive scale of the financial burden— massive scale of the financial burden on— massive scale of the financial burden on mostly— massive scale of the financial burden on mostly the west that it is— burden on mostly the west that it is taking— burden on mostly the west that it is taking to— burden on mostly the west that it is taking to sustain this level— it is taking to sustain this level ef— it is taking to sustain this level of conflict. i just wonder whether— level of conflict. i just wonder whether er— level of conflict. i just wonder whether or not— level of conflict. i just wonder whether or not at— level of conflict. i just wonder whether or not at some point going— whether or not at some point going ee— whether or not at some point we're going to -to - we're going to have to have a eenvrieeeeen— we're going to have to have a conversation about how long this can conversation about how long this een-ane— conversation about how long this een-and if— conversation about how long this can -and ifidon't- can go on for. and if i don't want— can go on for. and if i don't. want—conversation want to have that conversation — rm - want to have that conversationi new—ire ieinei now, really, because i'm joined by now, really, because i'm joined iy—peiiiemeni- by a ukrainian parliament adviser,— by a ukrainian parliament advisor, it's— by a ukrainian parliament advisor, it's mykola volkhovsky. iienk— advisor, it's mykola volkhovsky. iienk you— advisor, it's mykola volkhovsky. iieni you very,— advisor, it's mykola volkhovsky. thank you very, very much for joining— thank you very, very much for ieinine-ie— thank you very, very much for joining-to great- thank you very, very much for joining to great have thank you very, very much for joinion to great have thank you very, very much for joinion the to great have thank you very, very much for joinion the showo great have thank you very, very much for joinion the show . great have thank you very, very much for joinion the show. iseat have thank you very, very much for joinion the show . is there we thank you very, very much for joinion the show. is there any you on the show. is there any eeneiie— you on the show. is there any eeneiie ei— you on the show. is there any chance of peace— you on the show. is there any chance of peace talks anytime soon so we can stop the fighting , seep— soon so we can stop the fighting , eiep iiie— soon so we can stop the fighting , eiep iiie ieee— soon so we can stop the fighting , stop the loss of— soon so we can stop the fighting , stop the loss of life and stop me— , stop the loss of life and stop the expenditure _ , stop the loss of life and stop the expenditure of— , stop the loss of life and stop the expenditure of weaponry for ukrainee — the expenditure of weaponry for ukraine? this— the expenditure of weaponry for ukraine? this is— the expenditure of weaponry for ukraine? " ukraine? this is important because during this visit of this, i tried to remind that the second visit of ukrainian president after eight of february this year to uk and the important issue just discussed if ukrainian president mentioned we try to you know, to organise and make the coalition of fighter jet, especially of a16. et cetera . et cetera. if we're et cetera. et cetera. if we're ieiiing — et cetera. et cetera. if we're talking about any possible peace agreements with russia, we tried , you know, to see how it's important right now , the issue important right now, the issue

of g7, important right now, the issue of 67, for example . well, during of 67, for example. well, during the conversation— of 67, for example. well, during the conversation of— c, i�* 6x3 well, during the conversation of prime iiinieiei— the conversation of prime minister of— the conversation of prime minister of uk— the conversation of prime minister of uk that a lot of discussions— minister of uk that a lot of discussions how— minister of uk that a lot of discussions how will we the ieeuiie— discussions how will we the ieeuiie ei— discussions how will we the results of g7— discussions how will we the results of g7 summit, which we ieii— results of g7 summit, which we iieii iiem — results of g7 summit, which we iieii from is»— results of g7 summit, which we held from 19 to— results of g7 summit, which we held from 19 to 24in hiroshima, japan— held from 19 to 24in hiroshima, japan ,— held from 19 to 24in hiroshima, japan , fei— held from 19 to 24in hiroshima, iepen , iei eiee— held from 19 to 24in hiroshima, japan , for also the case of japan, for also the case of ukraine,— japan, for also the case of ukraine, because we know the ukrainian— ukraine, because we know the ukrainian president was invited by me— ukrainian president was invited by ibe jabbe— ukrainian president was invited by ine japan in— ukrainian president was invited by the japan in january this year— by the japan in january this year ib— by the japan in january this year be in— by the japan in january this year to in person participate in the year to in person participate in be ei— year to in person participate in the g7 summit.— year to in person participate in the g7 summit. maybe we will for see the g7 summit. maybe we will for examine,— the g7 summit. maybe we will for see example, the— the g7 summit. maybe we will for see example, the first time ener— see example, the first time been ine — see example, the first time after the war— see example, the first time after the war started, zelenskyy in asia, — after the war started, zelenskyy in asia, because— after the war started, zelenskyy in asia, because it— after the war started, zelenskyy in asia, because it wasn't eeniiinei— in asia, because it wasn't eeniiinei .— in asia, because it wasn't confirmed . yes- in asia, because it wasn't confirmed . yes or not because we confirmed. yes or not because we neve— confirmed. yes or not because we neve ib— confirmed. yes or not because we have to possibilities— confirmed. yes or not because we have to possibilities to benieibeie— have to possibilities to participate in zelenskyy online and in— participate in zelenskyy online and in person— participate in zelenskyy online and in person . _ participate in zelenskyy online and in person . it— participate in zelenskyy online and in person . c c and in person. it maybe it's not the last in this week the meeting between the prime minister of uk and the president of ukraine. but of course it's ener— of ukraine. but of course it's been ine— of ukraine. but of course it's after the italy— but of course it's after the italy vatican , germany after the italy vatican, germany eni— after the italy vatican, germany and innee — after the italy vatican, germany and france. it's— after the italy vatican, germany and france. it's the position eni— and france. it's the position and ine— and france. it's the position and the conversation with prime iiinieiei— and the conversation with prime iiinieien ei— and the conversation with prime minister of uk— and the conversation with prime minister of uk ._ and the conversation with prime minister of uk . it's most minister of uk. it's most inbeneni— minister of uk. it's most important for— minister of uk. it's most important for ukraine right now . obey.— important for ukraine right now . obey. bib— important for ukraine right now . okay. all right— important for ukraine right now . okay. all right ._ important for ukraine right now . okay. all right. is- important for ukraine right now

. okay. all right. is there a are you worried about that potentially the generosity and support of britain in running out? because if this goes on for years and years and years and we keep spending billions of pounds a year whilst people who are living in this country are maybe struggling financially, are you worried about the generosity of britain ending ? first of all, we britain ending? first of all, we webbi— britain ending? first of all, we we bike— britain ending? first of all, we would like to— britain ending? first of all, we would like to say— britain ending? first of all, we would like to say ,— britain ending? first of all, we would like to say , you- " ci: "g? first of all, we would like to say , you know, would like to say, you know, inenbibi— would like to say, you know, thankful for— would like to say, you know, thankful for all— would like to say, you know, thankful for all uk , for united thankful for all uk, for united kingdom— thankful for all uk, for united kingdom ,— thankful for all uk, for united kingdom , ibi— thankful for all uk, for united kingdom , for britain, for this kingdom, for britain, for this kind— kingdom, for britain, for this kind ei— kingdom, for britain, for this kind of support— kingdom, for britain, for this kind of support ._ kingdom, for britain, for this kind of support . what we feel as kind of support. what we feel as “mine,— kind of support. what we feel as bneine, ee— kind of support. what we feel as bneine, be e— kind of support. what we feel as ukraine, as a nation since 24th of iebnneny— ukraine, as a nation since 24th of february, even— ukraine, as a nation since 24th of february, even before . for us of february, even before. for us it's of february, even before. for us be ee— of february, even before. for us it's so important— of february, even before. for us it's so important we know the as we nine— it's so important we know the as we eiee yew— it's so important we know the as we also you mentioned that bweinien— we also you mentioned that ukrainian people have suffered. bweinien— ukrainian people have suffered. ukrainian people— ukrainian people have suffered. ukrainian people don't you know ebeni— ukrainian people don't you know ebeni ei— ukrainian people don't you know ebeni ei wnen— ukrainian people don't you know spend of when receiving those for spend of when receiving those new money— spend of when receiving those for money anything the ukrainians— for money anything the ukrainians are still fighting eeninei— ukrainians are still fighting against against the aggressor eewnwy— against against the aggressor eewniny wnien— against against the aggressor country which entered our eewniny— country which entered our country after— country which entered our country after 24th of february. inn — country after 24th of february. inn ibis— country after 24th of february. from this reason— country after 24th of february. from this reason we can the one side— from this reason we can the one side ib— from this reason we can the one side to understand— from this reason we can the one side to understand that the wneie — side to understand that the whole entire _ side to understand that the

whole entire nation to help uweine— whole entire nation to help ukraine right— whole entire nation to help ukraine right now and thank you for ukraine right now and thank you new eeniinwing— ukraine right now and thank you for continuing this— ukraine right now and thank you for continuing this kind of semen— for continuing this kind of ewbben ibi— for continuing this kind of support for ukraine. it's so ebbieeieie— support for ukraine. it's so appreciate for— support for ukraine. it's so appreciate for this and we are wnen— appreciate for this and we are wnen een— appreciate for this and we are when can easily— appreciate for this and we are when can easily say that we also the when can easily say that we also we eeniinwei— when can easily say that we also the continued our— when can easily say that we also the continued our our fight our bienn— the continued our our fight our new neeinei— the continued our our fight our fight against the— the continued our our fight our fight against the russia we will see fight against the russia we will new— fight against the russia we will new i— fight against the russia we will see how it will— fight against the russia we will see how it will develop in the new— see how it will develop in the nexi nine.— see how it will develop in the next time. but— see how it will develop in the next time. but also if i mention it, next time. but also if i mention a, we— next time. but also if i mention a, we newe— next time. but also if i mention it, we have like— next time. but also if i mention it, we have like to— next time. but also if i mention it, we have like to important ewenei— it, we have like to important ewenei ibis— it, we have like to important events this year— it, we have like to important events this year ._ it, we have like to important events this year. for example, if events this year. for example, i we— events this year. for example, i we ebeeiy— events this year. for example, if we already talk— events this year. for example, if we already talk about g7, een-i— if we already talk about g7, een-i ieieei— if we already talk about g7, don't forget about g20 summit in innin— don't forget about g20 summit in iniie in— don't forget about g20 summit in india in delhi,— don't forget about g20 summit in india in delhi, september , maybe india in delhi, september, maybe nibb— india in delhi, september, maybe eiee ibi— india in delhi, september, maybe eiee iei ine— india in delhi, september, maybe also for the summit will be also so inbeneni— also for the summit will be also so important documents made it bene— so important documents made it because we know— so important documents made it because we know the in case of 620,— because we know the in case of bee, ine— because we know the in case of g20, the putin _ because we know the in case of g20, the putin will— because we know the in case of g20, the putin will also benieibeie— g20, the putin will also participate the summit and will make— participate the summit and will make yew— participate the summit and will make you knew— participate the summit and will make you know we will we will neweiiy— make you know we will we will neiweiiy .— make you know we will we will see actually . but— make you know we will we will see actually . but from this see actually. but from this reason we are— see actually. but from this reason we are started we continue— reason we are started we continue the— reason we are started we continue the fighting and of course, because— continue the fighting and of course, because of the of the kind— course, because of the of the kind eb— course, because of the of the kind of work— course, because of the of the kind of work of— course, because of the of the kind of work of diploma . see, kind of work of diploma. see, igni— kind of work of diploma. see, nieni nw— kind of work of diploma. see, iignb we— kind of work of diploma. see, right now we can— kind of work of diploma. see, right now we can feel the superb— right now we can feel the when in— right now we can feel the support in this- right now we can feel the support in this coalition. it's so support in this coalition. it's no inbeneni— support in this coalition. it's so important for— support in this coalition. it's so important for us if i mean, in teene— so important for us if i mean, in teene ei— so important for us if i mean, in terms of the— so important for us if i mean, in terms of the jet fighting

ceeiibien. — in terms of the jet fighting coalition. okay- in terms of the jet fighting coalition. ' i: in terms of the jet fighting coalition. cut/bay ' “2 iii?" coalition. okay. and can i ask you, what is the current situation with the fighting in ukraine? you will know better than anyone , probably in this than anyone, probably in this country who reads the newspaper mean, where are the battle lines at the minute? is russia advancing ? are you pushing back? advancing? are you pushing back? what is the reality there? if we're talking about the current situation in ukraine in frontlines, we need to mention the bakhmut, the city watlington . oh oh. unfortunately, we'll never find out . now, obviously, never find out. now, obviously, we will endeavour to bring mccullough back on in a little bit. that was a bit of a shame, but there we the ukrainian but there we go. the ukrainian parliament's adviser, mykola volkhovsky there just volkhovsky there who we just lost. but look, clearly, clearly volkhovsky there who we just loswasit look, clearly, clearly volkhovsky there who we just loswas saying clearly, clearly volkhovsky there who we just loswas saying very, 'ly, clearly volkhovsky there who we just loswas saying very, very.early he was saying very, very grateful for all the weapons and the financial resources, etcetera, given to etcetera, that were given to ukraine there's no ukraine and that they there's no sign really, i think, is there, of any kind peace talks of any kind of peace talks happening anytime soon. now, i can understand this can completely understand this because how many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of died, millions of of people have died, millions of people have been displaced. many people have been displaced. many people argue it's completely people argue it's a completely

unprovoked people argue it's a completely unprtaoked people argue it's a completely unprta sovereign nation and that onto a sovereign nation and that we therefore have a complete and utter duty to try to do something about that many people as not stop as well say putin will not stop at ukraine. this is our war as much as it is ukraine's war. the complete reversal to that, and this is why it's such a contrast, is that some people say, look, we're a bit skin over here well, and maybe some of here as well, and maybe some of this used to this money could be used to build hospitals and build more this money could be used to build h(and als and build more this money could be used to build h(and buildd build more this money could be used to build h(and build more.d more this money could be used to build h(and build more houses. i schools and build more houses. i believe just going bring believe i'm just going to bring quickly back on. quickly mikaela back on. mikaela, thank very, very quickly mikaela back on. mikaelsorry nk very, very quickly mikaela back on. mikaelsorry we very, very quickly mikaela back on. mikaelsorry we lost/ery, very quickly mikaela back on. mikaelsorry we lost you very quickly mikaela back on. mikaelsorry we lost you there. much. sorry we lost you there. you explaining the front you were explaining the front line situation were line situation when you were talking bakhmut , the talking about bakhmut, the bakhmut and the ukrainians still continue the fighting against the private military company us wagner and also agains against the russian military groups on the russian military groups on the city. we could moving forward— the city. we could moving forward ib— the city. we could moving forward to the— it. can we could moving forward to the occupied the city eni— forward to the occupied the city and nine— forward to the occupied the city and eiee we— forward to the occupied the city and also we have— forward to the occupied the city and also we have like some positive— and also we have like some positive moves— and also we have like some positive moves in the luhansk region— positive moves in the luhansk region ee— positive moves in the luhansk region on web— positive moves in the luhansk region as well ._ positive moves in the luhansk region as well . if— positive moves in the luhansk region as well . if we if we're region as well. if we if we're robbing— region as well. if we if we're talking about— region as well. if we if we're talking about the whole entire eiiwoiion— talking about the whole entire eiiwoiion yob— talking about the whole entire situation, you heard maybe it

was some attacks in the russian territory— was some attacks in the russian territory against— was some attacks in the russian territory against helicopters oni— territory against helicopters and engage— territory against helicopters and engage o— territory against helicopters and engage a jets jet. you know, the and engage a jets jet. you know, we ter— and engage a jets jet. you know, be yet rignring— and engage a jets jet. you know, the jet fighting jet— and engage a jets jet. you know, the jet fighting jet in russia . the jet fighting jet in russia. veon— the jet fighting jet in russia. wean ire— the jet fighting jet in russia. yeah, it's happening two days from— yeah, it's happening two days from now. but— yeah, it's happening two days from now. but also, we still the tuning— from now. but also, we still the iignring rne— from now. but also, we still the iignring be we— from now. but also, we still the fighting the we controllers eiiwoiion— fighting the we controllers situation, the _ fighting the we controllers situation, the our military iiinieiry— situation, the our military ministry of— situation, the our military ministry of defence working a ion— ministry of defence working a ioi. ani— ministry of defence working a ioi. and we— ministry of defence working a lot. and we still— ministry of defence working a lot. and we still continue to rignr— lot. and we still continue to rignr ogoinei— lot. and we still continue to fight against the russia look inonb— fight against the russia look rnonb yob— fight against the russia look rnonb you very— fight against the russia look thank you very much. china thank you very much. great to bowe— thank you very much. great to have you— thank you very much. great to have you on— thank you very much. great to have you on the show. that's mykola volkov ski that and i just think it's worthwhile on this as well gbviews@gbnews.uk to just the range of to just express the range of opinion on on this helen's been honest. patrick i don't agree that all of our money should be going over there. it's time to cut back. then mark immediately email above. patrick no peace from mark so it is very, very split and it's an interesting tightrope to walk this. when you look the financial resources look at the financial resources that are being into that are being pumped into ukraine and people think ukraine and many people think rightly get me wrong. rightly so, do not get me wrong. but is there a point coming maybe a year years maybe in a year or two years when to look at it and when we have to look at it and 90, when we have to look at it and

go, well, financially, can we continue or is continue to afford this or is this that go this just something that you go look, blank check , get look, write a blank check, get this a hot topic. this sorted, it's a hot topic. we're to keep talking we're going to keep talking about it. gb views at gb news .uk. but a bit lighter, i think. now the uk had a shocker in the eurovision song contest and basically every single year, apart from last year, this script could have still been written couldn't written for that, couldn't it? but next bottom. but we finished next to bottom. wasn't quite nil though, wasn't quite nil point though, but was the song that bad? was the performer that bad, or did the performer that bad, or did the bbc sabotage our chances? i'm patrick christie's on gb news britain's news

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or you can head to tric.org. .uk slash public poll. i will read that one more time. you can scan the qr code on your screen now or you can head to trick.org. .uk slash public poll now to cast your vote . it would mean cast your vote. it would mean the world to us all here at gb news. not just those individuals involved, of course, who would all very worthy all make very, very worthy winners. i tell myself winners. now, as i tell myself that this time next year, my name that anyway name will be on that list anyway . liverpool hosted a great eurovision party on saturday, but for the uk's contests it was a bad night. mae muller. but for the uk's contests it was a bad night. mae muller . well, a bad night. mae muller. well, she got married, didn't she? she finished second with finished second bottom with her entry called. i wrote entry, which was called. i wrote a song and many people were . she a song and many people were. she hadnt a song and many people were. she hadn't bothered, but the bbc came in for criticism after some viewers complained that they could miller over could barely hear miller over the music and was the music and she was overshadowed by her backing singers and dancers. i'm joined now by dave wibberley, who is the head of management at the liverpool institute for performing arts. thank you very much . why are we rubbish ? we're

much. why are we rubbish? we're not rubbish . we're excellent . not rubbish. we're excellent. britain is a centre of pop excellence. _ britain is a centre of pop excellence. rrz; ” britain is a centre of pop excellence. liverpool is the, the universal centre of pop music and, and yeah the, the british entry was, was very good . but frankly there were better p0p . but frankly there were better pop songs, you know, it was a very good pop song and the streaming figures show that and the radio plays show that . but i the radio plays show that. but i think it was a really good table of entrants. this year, particularly in that kind of pop area . me personally, the best area. me personally, the best p0p area. me personally, the best pop song of the whole eurovision 23 for me was denmark , and they 23 for me was denmark, and they didn't even get to the final . didn't even get to the final. so, you know, we know it's eurovision. you can't judge it by the actual result . and by the actual result. and everyone did really well. okay. all right . some people have been all right. some people have been saying that they felt as though that the sound was a bit off as mae muller was performing. maybe the show wasn't the most

the show itself wasn't the most engaging. your views that ? engaging. your views on that? the sound was definitely beewiior— the sound was definitely beewiior ,— the sound was definitely peculiar , um,- the sound was definitely peculiar , um, because they sound peculiar, um, because they sound all peculiar, um, because they sound obi inrowgn— peculiar, um, because they sound all through the— peculiar, um, because they sound all through the evening have been— all through the evening have been excellent,— all through the evening have been excellent, both in the arena and on— been excellent, both in the arena and on the screen . ' 2 arena and on the screen. and i between— arena and on the screen. and i was between two _ arena and on the screen. and i was between two and when may came on it was you wondered whether there was an issue with the microphone because her vocal was so low in the mix, particularly in the verses. so it didn't have that impact . i it didn't have that impact. i think the show was really great. i do think the sound impact on it, it it left it didn't make the same impact as some of the other artists were able to. so something was whether it was may's performance or a technical glitch , we don't know. but yeah, glitch, we don't know. but yeah, it definitely didn't have that pizzazz that you'd want on the night. that is why some people have been saying that the bbc is to blame for our poor performance. where do you stand on that ? blame the bbc for lots on that? blame the bbc for lots of things, but i don't think you can blame them for our performance at eurovision because the bbc and everybody

involved in eurovision did an outstanding job. it was a fantastic performance right across the board. the show was amazing , the broadcast was amazing, the broadcast was great, the presentation was great. i i don't think britain as a nation , liverpool as as a nation, liverpool as a city, the bbc as an institution in terms of eurovision, they didn't put a foot wrong. it was a brilliant you could argue, you could you could argue though we respect dave, that last year's entrance was absolute entrance was an absolute showstopper. i believe that he was on that show as well. just as a performer, not not an entrance, of course, and brought the down again . so we the house down again. so we managed choose well, there . managed to choose well, there. okay. can't help but wonder okay. i can't help but wonder whether choice whether or not our choice this year just wasn't particularly good.i year just wasn't particularly good. i know you've been good. i know that you've been saying thought was saying that you thought it was great but just great and everything, but i just think to think maybe you're trying to gloss because the vast gloss it a bit because the vast majority it majority of reaction was that it was was thoroughly was it was thoroughly underwhelming best underwhelming. is that the best we've got? our chance we've got? that was our chance to at 160 million viewers to look at 160 million viewers worldwide or whatever. and they think, go. we've had worldwide or whatever. and they thinbeatles go. we've had worldwide or whatever. and they thinbeatles , go. we've had worldwide or whatever. and they thin beatles , we've we've had worldwide or whatever. and they thin beatles , we've had ve had worldwide or whatever. and they thin beatles , we've had oasis, the beatles, we've had oasis, we've had people . and we've had loads of people. and

his someone who hates his mae muller someone who hates britain the best that we've got , you do. you're dealing , i think you do. you're dealing with orange and pears. yeah, eurovision is a celebration of froth and fun and entertaining . froth and fun and entertaining. it's not about artistry in that sense. you're not talking about the beatles or whatever. um i, i think mark sam was an extraordinary candidate last yean extraordinary candidate last year, did a brilliant job with a great song. um i think, you know, personally , i would say know, personally, i would say subjectively that may was not at that standard. the song was not at that standard. it's a very catchy hook , but there were catchy hook, but there were better and catchier hooks from other nations . obviously, the other nations. obviously, the way it was chosen this year, it was delegated to our management company who did a brilliant job last year doing that , that that last year doing that, that that piece of work . and yeah, things piece of work. and yeah, things just didn't work out. where was where was the show stopping half time show or whatever it is, you know, we were expecting rumours of mccartney, weren't we? of paul mccartney, weren't we? we thought that that might be

great. mean, john, great. i mean, elton john, i believe, tour somewhere at believe, is on tour somewhere at the and instead we had the minute. and instead we had some who showed up some elderly woman who showed up at one of the earlier eurovisions. i mean, it's hardly inspiring stuff, is it? it was fun . i mean, you're judging it fun. i mean, you're judging it by the way, paul mccartney and elton john or liam gallagher. they're not rocking up to eurovision. it's eurovision. um, yeah, we might have had somebody better doing that . there are better doing that. there are great things. i mean, i'll tell you, sandie shaw's been doing a few shows here in liverpool dunng few shows here in liverpool during she's amazing. during last week. she's amazing. i mean, what an amazing woman we had at lipa. we had sonia had here at lipa. we had sonia come and do a show last saturday afternoon here in the university, and sonia is still rocking. so there are many things that could have been better there. but overall, it's always the same. after eurovision, people get their cynical head on and you go do you know what? all i saw was a city that was buzzing, a country that was really focussed on it, a continent that felt really united. and it was a genuinely a load of fun. and i'm a serious

music person, so i'm like kind of i'm usually very happy to be cynical , but of i'm usually very happy to be cynical, but it was really , cynical, but it was really, really, maybe, maybe i've taken your, really, maybe, maybe i've taken your , your cynicism pill for the your, your cynicism pill for the day instead. but thank you very much. dave great. great to have you on. it's eurovision. it's okay. john cleese telling me that. i just think it's naff. anyway all right, dave. thank you. dave it is no right by dave okay. dave wibberley you. dave g g“ i dave wibberley that you. dave g 2&2“ i dave wibberley that is okay. dave wibberley that is inor— okay. dave wibberley that is that management— quoin dave wibberley that is that management at the liverpool ineiirwie— that management at the liverpool ineiiiwre ion— that management at the liverpool institute for performing arts. weir— institute for performing arts. weii eieoriy— institute for performing arts. weii eieoriy ,— institute for performing arts. well clearly , clearly europe well clearly, clearly europe inowgni— well clearly, clearly europe rnowgni we— well clearly, clearly europe thought we were naff as well . thought we were naff as well. all thought we were naff as well. bii igne— thought we were naff as well. all right. anyway, anyway, right rime— all right. anyway, anyway, right rime-guiebiy- time now very quickly for patrick-e— time now very quickly for patrick's—dayl time now very quickly fori patrick's—day . time now very quickly for- patrick's_day . and patrick's pick of the day. and today— patrick's pick of the day. and today rnie— patrick's pick of the day. and today bin in— patrick's pick of the day. and today this is one— patrick's pick of the day. and today this is one i'll just bring— today this is one i'll just bring you— today this is one i'll just bring you o— today this is one i'll just bring you a completely random erory— bring you a completely random story-be— bring you a completely random story-be honest,- story that, let's be honest, ioeen-i— story that, let's be honest,i ioeen-i—iob doesn't make it into the top ogenin— doesn't make it into the top news agenda. and i am news agenda. and today i am bringing— news agenda. and today i am bringing you— news agenda. and today i am bringing you the— news agenda. and today i am bringing you the shocking tootoge— bringing you the shocking rooroge or— bringing you the shocking footage of yacht capsized bringing you the shocking fotegypt.f yacht capsized bringing you the shocking fotegypt.f british capsized bringing you the shocking fotegypt.f british touristpsized bringing you the shocking fotegypt.f british tourist saysd in egypt. a british tourist says inor— in egypt. a british tourist says that-something- in egypt. a british tourist says that something was wrong that he knew something was wrong on rnie— that he knew something was wrong on inie tootoge— that he knew something was wrong on this footage that— that he knew something was wrong on this footage that we're going to on this footage that we're going ro—nowl on this footage that we're going. io—now wnen to bring you any second now when he to bring you any second now when be now— to bring you any second now when ne bien— to bring you any second now when he saw fish swimming outside of his he saw fish swimming outside of no window.— he saw fish swimming outside of his window. so— he saw fish swimming outside of his window. so the— he saw fish swimming outside of his window. so the carlton queen eone— his window. so the carlton queen eobe obi. — his window. so the carlton queen one out were— his window. so the carlton queen caps out. there we— his window. so the carlton queen caps out. there we go. the carbon— caps out. there we go. the carlton queen— caps out. there we go. the carlton queen capsize in the red sea carlton queen capsize in the red see on— carlton queen capsize in the red see on ine— carlton queen capsize in the red sea off the coast— carlton queen capsize in the red sea off the coast of—

carlton queen capsize in the red sea off the coast of egypt at bore— sea off the coast of egypt at ioie beer— sea off the coast of egypt at late last month— sea off the coast of egypt at late last month .— sea off the coast of egypt at late last month . 26 guests and late last month. 26 guests and nne— late last month. 26 guests and nine crew were— late last month. 26 guests and nine crew were on— late last month. 26 guests and nine crew were on the yacht . and nine crew were on the yacht. and iwebiiy— nine crew were on the yacht. and iwebiiy obi— nine crew were on the yacht. and iwebiiy obi oi— nine crew were on the yacht. and luckily all of them _ nine crew were on the yacht. and luckily all of them survived . luckily all of them survived. bur— luckily all of them survived. but yes,— luckily all of them survived. but yes, seriously, one person obborenriy— but yes, seriously, one person was apparently asleep on this yoeni— was apparently asleep on this yoeni oni— was apparently asleep on this yoenr one iner— was apparently asleep on this yacht and just opened their eyes and yacht and just opened their eyes one now— yacht and just opened their eyes and iner— yacht and just opened their eyes and saw just fish— yacht and just opened their eyes and saw just fish swimming past ineir— and saw just fish swimming past ineir window.— and saw just fish swimming past their window. and— and saw just fish swimming past their window. and they thought eoneining— their window. and they thought eoneining ie— their window. and they thought something is going seriously wrong— something is going seriously wrong bere— something is going seriously wrong here. thankfully we all of tnen— wrong here. thankfully we all of them survived.— wrong here. thankfully we all of them survived. terrifying orieob— them survived. terrifying orieoi. i— them survived. terrifying ordeal. i mean, really just borrowing,— ordeal. i mean, really just harrowing, isn't- ordeal. i mean, really just harrowing, isn't it? there we 90-— harrowing, isn't it? there we go. bur— harrowing, isn't it? there we go. but anyway— harrowing, isn't it? there we go. but anyway, they're all out. iney-re— go. but anyway, they're all out. iney-re obi— go. but anyway, they're all out. they're all out.— go. but anyway, they're all out. they're all out. okay. right obey. — they're all out. okay. right obey. sweiio— they're all out. okay. right okay. suella braverman. moving on. okay. suella braverman. moving noe— okay. suella braverman. moving noe eoii— okay. suella braverman. moving on. has said that— okay. suella braverman. moving on. has said that it's not noisi— on. has said that it's not racist-want— on. has said that it's not racist-want to- on. has said that it's not racist want to cut racist to want to cut net migration. — racist to want to cut net migration. what racist to want to cut net migration. -what going migration. that's what i'm going in—iob— migration. that's what i'm going in—iob or— migration. that's what i'm going in—iob or ine- migration. that's what i'm going in _top of the next. in with at the top of the next now. — in with at the top of the next now. sieiio— in with at the top of the next. hour. suella _ saying hour. suella braverman saying it's hour. suella braverman saying ire—wani- hour. suella braverman saying ire—wont io- hour. suella braverman saying it's—want to cut. it's not racist to want to cut ner— it's not racist to want to cut net—sne- it's not racist to want to cut net-she also - it's not racist to want to cut. net-she also wants it's not racist to want to cut- net-she also wants to net migration. she also wants to us net migration. she also wants to we erog— net migration. she also wants to we erob being— net migration. she also wants to we erob being eo— net migration. she also wants to us stop being so reliant on oneob— us stop being so reliant on oneob foreign— us stop being so reliant on cheap foreign labour. so two big rnere— cheap foreign labour. so two big inere io— cheap foreign labour. so two big ones there do you— cheap foreign labour. so two big ones there do you ever censor yowreeir— ones there do you ever censor yowreeii o— ones there do you ever censor yowreeii o reor— ones there do you ever censor yourself a fear of— ones there do you ever censor yourself a fear of being called roeiei— yourself a fear of being called reeiei wnen— yourself a fear of being called racist when you— yourself a fear of being called racist when you say, actually, i ion-i— racist when you say, actually, i wont-wont— racist when you say, actually, i ion-r-woni ny- racist when you say, actually, i don't want my local area don't really want my local area to enonge— don't really want my local area to change drastically and irreversibly— to change drastically and irreversibly have to change drastically and. irreversibly-have it irreversibly and let's have it igne— irreversibly and let's have it rigni. bre— irreversibly and let's have it right. are brits— irreversibly and let's have it right. are brits a bit too lazy? 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channel very i channel| very good |cbonnei— very good afternoon, everybody. it's very good afternoon, everybody. ir-e iwei— very good afternoon, everybody. we we gone— very good afternoon, everybody. we we gone i— very good afternoon, everybody. it's just gone 4 pm. and you're witn— it's just gone 4 pm. and you're wiin nne— it's just gone 4 pm. and you're with me, patrick— it's just gone 4 pm. and you're with me, patrick christie's on gb with me, patrick christie's on on wewe— with me, patrick christie's on on wewe oni— with me, patrick christie's on gb news and i've— with me, patrick christie's on gb news and i've got an obeoiwreiy— gb news and i've got an absolutely massive hour coming yowr— absolutely massive hour coming yowr-iei-e— absolutely massive hour coming yowr-iei-e ebon— absolutely massive hour coming your let's start this your way. let's start with this is your way. let's start with this ie-srorner— your way. let's start with this is-starmer trying- your way. let's start with this is starmer trying to rig is keir starmer trying to rig eieerione— is keir starmer trying to rig eieeiione by— is keir starmer trying to rig elections by proposing that eu noiionoie— elections by proposing that eu nationals and— elections by proposing that eu nationals and 16— elections by proposing that eu nationals and 16 year olds would be obie— nationals and 16 year olds would be obie io— nationals and 16 year olds would be able to vote— nationals and 16 year olds would be able to vote in— nationals and 16 year olds would be able to vote in our general eieerione— be able to vote in our general eieeiione .— be able to vote in our general elections . would— be able to vote in our general elections . would that just elections. would that just shamelessly— elections. would that just shamelessly be a way of securing iobowr-e— shamelessly be a way of securing labour's position— shamelessly be a way of securing labour's position in— shamelessly be a way of securing labour's position in downing sneer— labour's position in downing street for— labour's position in downing street for years— labour's position in downing street for years to come? moving on, we're also going— street for years to come? moving on, we're also going to be robbing— on, we're also going to be robbing o— on, we're also going to be talking a lot— on, we're also going to be talking a lot about this today. is talking a lot about this today. ie ii— talking a lot about this today. ie ii rime— talking a lot about this today. ie ii rine io— talking a lot about this today. is it time to give— talking a lot about this today. is it time to give peace a bone— is it time to give peace a ebone try— is it time to give peace a chance, try to _ is it time to give peace a chance, try to broker a peace oeoi— chance, try to broker a peace deal between _ chance, try to broker a peace deal between and chance, try to broker a peace- deal between-and russia? deal between ukraine and russia? i deal between ukraine and russia? i wnoereiono— deal between ukraine and russia? i understandllot_ deal between ukraine and russia? i understandllot of— deal between ukraine and russia? i understand lot of people i understand a lot of people say no-ono— i understand a lot of people say no-onoloieo- i understand a lot of people say no-andlalso it's- i understand a lot of people say no and also it's just no morally and b, also it's just noi— no morally and b, also it's just not boeeibie— no morally and b, also it's just not boeeibie .— no morally and b, also it's just not possible . but— no morally and b, also it's just not possible . but it is costing not possible. but it is costing us not possible. but it is costing we o-or— not possible. but it is costing we o-oi o— not possible. but it is costing we o-oi o bor— not possible. but it is costing us a-of a lot of- not possible. but it is costing us a of a lot of money to us a heck of a lot of money to been— us a heck of a lot of money to beep orning— us a heck of a lot of money to keep arming ukraine and suella braverman . this— keep arming ukraine and suella braverman . this is a big one for braverman. this is a big one for us, braverman. this is a big one for ene— braverman. this is a big one for ebe eoye— braverman. this is a big one for ebe eoye ire— braverman. this is a big one for us, she says it's not— braverman. this is a big one for us, she says it's not racist to wont—

us, she says it's not racist to wonilewi— us, she says it's not racist to want cut migration. and i want to cut migration. and i win— want to cut migration. and i ibinb ire— want to cut migration. and i think it's about— want to cut migration. and i think it's about time, is it notw— think it's about time, is it nor, inor— think it's about time, is it nor, iboi o— think it's about time, is it not, that a home secretary said rbiee— not, that a home secretary said one now— not, that a home secretary said one bow oo— not, that a home secretary said this? how do you— not, that a home secretary said this? how do you feel about what ebe-e— this? how do you feel about what ebe-e-eoy— this? how do you feel about what ebe-e-eoy wnen— this? how do you feel about what she's-say when it- this? how do you feel about what she's say when it comes she's had to say when it comes to she's had to say when it comes io—ebe— she's had to say when it comes io—ebe twer- she's had to say when it comes to-she just talking. to that, or is she just talking iowgb— to that, or is she just talking rowgb-ooing— to that, or is she just talking tough doing nothing? finally tough and doing nothing? finally as , tough and doing nothing? finally oe- bore— tough and doing nothing? finally oe- ioie or— tough and doing nothing? finally as-, lots of drama- tough and doing nothing? finally as , lots of drama over at as well, lots of drama over at riv— as well, lots of drama over at no .— as well, lots of drama over at by , ien-i— as well, lots of drama over at by , ien-i ire— as well, lots of drama over at itv , isn't it? so— as well, lots of drama over at itv , isn't it? so phillip itv, isn't it? so phillip schofield_ itv, isn't it? so phillip schofield ,— itv, isn't it? so phillip schofield , he's brought the schofield, he's brought the iowyere— schofield, he's brought the iowyere in.— schofield, he's brought the lawyers in. he's— schofield, he's brought the lawyers in. he's brought the pr in, lawyers in. he's brought the pr in bobby— lawyers in. he's brought the pr in, holly willoughby. she's browgbi— in, holly willoughby. she's browgbr ine— in, holly willoughby. she's brought the pr in. apparently it's non—speaking behind the eeenee-wery— it's non—speaking behind the eeenee-wery ,— it's non—speaking behind the scenes-very , very- it's non—speaking behind the scenes very , very awkward on scenes and very, very awkward on air. scenes and very, very awkward on wboi— scenes and very, very awkward on wboi on— scenes and very, very awkward on air. what on earth— scenes and very, very awkward on air. what on earth will happen to bobby— air. what on earth will happen to boiiy ono— air. what on earth will happen to holly and phil— air. what on earth will happen to holly and phil patrick cbrieiye— to holly and phil patrick cbrierye on— to holly and phil patrick christys on .— to holly and phil patrick christys on . gb news emails christys on. gb news emails goiore— christys on. gb news emails goiore roooy. — christys on. gb news emails galore today. ladies and gents, gb galore today. ladies and gents, eb viewe— galore today. ladies and gents, eb viewe. eb— galore today. ladies and gents, gb views. gb news. gbnews.uk is siorner— gb views. gb news. gbnews.uk is siorner wore— gb views. gb news. gbnews.uk is starmer vote rigging should we ebon— starmer vote rigging should we eion io— starmer vote rigging should we eion to try— starmer vote rigging should we eion to by io— starmer vote rigging should we start to try to broker peace between— start to try to broker peace between ukraine and russia to we obi— between ukraine and russia to we ob o— between ukraine and russia to save us all a bit— between ukraine and russia to save us all a bit of cash? and oieo— save us all a bit of cash? and oieo oe— save us all a bit of cash? and oieo oe weir— save us all a bit of cash? and also as well is— save us all a bit of cash? and also as well is suella braverman to write— also as well is suella braverman ro wriie io— also as well is suella braverman ro wriie ro eoy— also as well is suella braverman to write to say that— also as well is suella braverman to write to say that it's not roeier— to write to say that it's not roeiei ro— to write to say that it's not racist to want— to write to say that it's not racist to want to - to write to say that it's not racist to want to cut migration gbviews@gbnews.uk headlines now

. norrieb— gbviews@gbnews.uk headlines now . patrick thank— gbviews@gbnews.uk headlines now . patrick thank you. _ gbviews@gbnews.uk headlines now . patrick thank you. good- . patrick thank you. good afternoon. the top story on gb news today, the home secretary has defended the government's plan to cut net migration and she has said it's not racist to want to control borders . in want to control borders. in a speech at the national- in a speech at the national concert bwrien— speech at the national concert autism conference, suella braverman added that it's not bigoieo— braverman added that it's not bigoieo io— braverman added that it's not bigoreo ro eoy— braverman added that it's not bigoted to say there are too bony— bigoted to say there are too nony oeyiwn — bigoted to say there are too many asylum seekers in the cowboy.— many asylum seekers in the cowboy. sne— many asylum seekers in the country. she argued that mass ono— country. she argued that mass ono robio— country. she argued that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable and would be a bwroen— unsustainable and would be a bwroen on— unsustainable and would be a burden on housing and public eewieee— burden on housing and public services. and— burden on housing and public services. and she— burden on housing and public services. and she says there ebowio— services. and she says there ebowio be— services. and she says there ebowio be o— services. and she says there should be a bigger focus on ereoiing— should be a bigger focus on ereoiing o— should be a bigger focus on creating a highly skilled workforce— creating a highly skilled workforce. _ creating a highly skilled workforce . 2 creating a highly skilled- workforce . the labour market creating a highly skilled— workforce . the labour market has workforce. the labour market has acute or structural shortages . acute or structural shortages. as with the nhs, it is of course right that we should have an immigration system agile enough to plug those shortages , but we to plug those shortages, but we need to get overall immigration numbers down. there is no good wby— numbers down. there is no good wby we— numbers down. there is no good reason why we can't— 2 there is no good reason why we can't train up enowgb— reason why we can't train up enowgb rrweb— reason why we can't train up

enough truck drivers. butchers rrwii— enough truck drivers. butchers rrwir biebere— enough truck drivers. butchers fruit pickers, builders or weioere. — fruit pickers, builders or welders. brexit- fruit pickers, builders or welders. mix g iii“? 2.5 fruit pickers, builders or- welders. brexit enables us to build a high skilled , high wage build a high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour. well, the home secretary's speech was in fact disrupted by two protesters minutes after suella braverman began. a man stood up claiming he— suella braverman began. a man stood up claiming he was- stood up claiming he was a member— stood up claiming he was a member or— stood up claiming he was a member of a— stood up claiming he was a member of a protest group and rnornenie— member of a protest group and moments later,— member of a protest group and moments later, another woman inierrwbie— moments later, another woman inierrwbre rbe — moments later, another woman interrupts the speech, heckling the interrupts the speech, heckling be none— interrupts the speech, heckling the home secretary too, before ebe— the home secretary too, before ebe woe— the home secretary too, before she was removed— the home secretary too, before she was removed .— the home secretary too, before she was removed . now the uk is she was removed. now the uk is to bob— she was removed. now the uk is to train ukrainian— she was removed. now the uk is to train ukrainian pilots to fly weerern— to train ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter— to train ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter jets, but it has no pione— western fighter jets, but it has no bione io— western fighter jets, but it has no plans to provide them with oeiwoi— no plans to provide them with actual planes. _ no plans to provide them with actual planes. at— no plans to provide them with actual planes. at a meeting in cbegwere— actual planes. at a meeting in cbegwere ine— actual planes. at a meeting in chequers, the prime minister robo— chequers, the prime minister told president— chequers, the prime minister told president zelenskyy that growing— told president zelenskyy that providing warplane guns wasn't eiroigbi— providing warplane guns wasn't straight forward— providing warplane guns wasn't straight forward .— providing warplane guns wasn't straight forward . but rishi straight forward. but rishi swnob— straight forward. but rishi swnob iii— straight forward. but rishi sunak did promise a new support roeboge— sunak did promise a new support package, including— sunak did promise a new support package, including further air oeienee— package, including further air defence missiles— package, including further air defence missiles and drones . defence missiles and drones. ibie— defence missiles and drones. ibie week— defence missiles and drones. ibie week or— defence missiles and drones. this week at g7— defence missiles and drones. this week at g7 summits , the this week at g7 summits, the brine— this week at g7 summits, the prime minister— this week at g7 summits, the prime minister will stress to worri— prime minister will stress to world leaders— prime minister will stress to world leaders the importance of

noinioining— world leaders the importance of maintaining support for ukraine. one— maintaining support for ukraine. one rbing— maintaining support for ukraine. one rbing we— maintaining support for ukraine. one thing we will— maintaining support for ukraine. one thing we will be— maintaining support for ukraine. one thing we will be doing- one thing we will be doing starting actually relatively soon is training of ukrainian pilots and that's something that we've discussed today and we're ready to implement those plans in relatively short order , which in relatively short order, which will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become absolutely combat ready aircraft , pilots . meanwhile, president , pilots. meanwhile, president zeienebyy— , pilots. meanwhile, president zeienebyy eoye— , pilots. meanwhile, president zelenskyy says air— meanwhile, president zelenskyy says air power and boniewioriy— zelenskyy says air power and particularly fighter jets are an inbononi— particularly fighter jets are an important issue— particularly fighter jets are an important issue for his eowniry-e— important issue for his country's defence. 2 country's defence. today we spoke— country's defence. today we spoke about the jets very important topic for us because we can't control the sky. you know it. so i think, you know everything deeply because we real partners really knows all the details of what's going on on our battlefield. thank you very much . and we want to create very much. and we want to create this jets coalition and i'm very positive with it . volodymyr positive with it. volodymyr zeienebyy— positive with it. volodymyr zelenskyy now— positive with it. volodymyr zelenskyy now here- g g volodymyr zelenskyy now here at home, boyoi— zelenskyy now here at home, boyoi broi— zelenskyy now here at home, royal mail could— zelenskyy now here at home, royal mail could be fined after

an investigation— royal mail could be fined after an investigation into the eewiee-e— an investigation into the service's failure to meet its oeiiwery— service's failure to meet its delivery targets— service's failure to meet its delivery targets in the last yeor— delivery targets in the last yeor . — delivery targets in the last yeor . ine— delivery targets in the last year. d delivery targets in the last year. g , year. the regulator, ofcom, found only 73% of first class mail was delivered on time, some missing its target of 93. it also failed to reach its 98% target in second class mail. ofcom says it takes quality of service very seriously . a ballot service very seriously. a ballot on strike action by senior doctors in england has opened its after the british medical association . amy dowden said association. amy dowden said talks with the government over the long running pay dispute remained deadlocked. but the health department is urging those striking to seriously consider the effect that further walkouts would have on patients . the ballot will end at the end of june . meanwhile, two teachers of june. meanwhile, two teachers unions have opened new ballots on four further walkouts for them. that's after members of them. that's after members of be woiionoi— that's after members of the national association of head ieoebere— the national association of head ieoebere ono— the national association of head teachers and the— the national association of head teachers and the national ioweoiion— teachers and the national education union rejected the ioieer— education union rejected the ioreer boy— education union rejected the latest pay offer— education union rejected the latest pay offer from the

government. - latest pay offer from the government. ' “2 latest pay offer from the government. “r: 22 government. and voting will close at the end of july with potential strike action to take place in the autumn for them . place in the autumn for them. the royal college of nursing says nurses fear being taken to court over the level of care they give to patients. the union says more than nine out of ten nurses raised concerns that patients may be receiving unsafe levels of care due to their working conditions. some nurses have described feeling suicidal as they deem corridor treatment degrading for their patients as the average monthly rent on newly let homes across britain was £125 higher in april than it was £125 higher in april than it was at the same time last year. that tallies up to an extra £1,500 each year more, according to the property agent hamptons, the average rent paid for newly let homes reached over £1,200 a month in april, that being a new high , you're up to date with the

high, you're up to date with the latest news stories on gb news. now more from pat . now more from pat. yeah welcome back. you can't reoiiy— yeah welcome back. you can't reoiiy nove— yeah welcome back. you can't really move for— “in?“ welcome back. you can't really move for news today and a bribe— really move for news today and a bite bir— really move for news today and a bite bii in— really move for news today and a little bit i'm going— really move for news today and a little bit i'm going to be robbing— little bit i'm going to be talking about— little bit i'm going to be talking about suella braverman and talking about suella braverman ono ow— talking about suella braverman ono bone— talking about suella braverman and our home secretary standing up and our home secretary standing wb—iboi— and our home secretary standing wb—rbor ii-e- and our home secretary standing wb—rbor be nor- up and saying that it's not roeiei— up and saying that it's not racist-want- up and saying that it's not racist-want to- up and saying that it's not racist want to cut migration racist who want to cut migration as racist who want to cut migration oe-ibe— racist who want to cut migration oe-ibe nei— racist who want to cut migration as the net migration as yet again, the net migration rigwree— as yet again, the net migration rigwree go— as yet again, the net migration figures go through roof. it figures go through the roof. it cowbo— figures go through the roof. it eowio-bii— figures go through the roof. it could-hit the— figures go through the roof. it could-hit the 1- figures go through the roof. it could hit the 1 million could well hit the 1 million nonb— could well hit the 1 million morn-going- could well hit the 1 million mark.-going to- could well hit the 1 million mark. going to start mark. but i'm going to start rbie— mark. but i'm going to start ibie bowi— mark. but i'm going to start this hour, though, with some very—oonneniei this hour, though, with some- very_comments from very controversial comments from sir very controversial comments from sir—iobowr- sir keir starmer. the labour ieooer— sir keir starmer. the labour ieooer-ii-e- sir keir starmer. the labour leader it's, quote, leader says that it's, quote, common to allow eu common sense to allow eu noiionoie— common sense to allow eu nationals-have- common sense to allow eu nationals have worked in the nationals who have worked in the uk for— nationals who have worked in the uk for yeore— nationals who have worked in the wb ior yeore ro— nationals who have worked in the uk for years to vote— nationals who have worked in the uk for years to vote in a generoi— uk for years to vote in a general election . so starmer general election. so starmer eoye— general election. so starmer eoye ii— general election. so starmer eoye ii ieeie— general election. so starmer says it feels wrong that people wbo— says it feels wrong that people wbo bowe— says it feels wrong that people who have contributed to briioin-e— who have contributed to britain's economy and raised ibeir— britain's economy and raised their children— britain's economy and raised their children in— britain's economy and raised their children in the country connoi— their children in the country eonnoi wore— their children in the country cannot vote .— their children in the country cannot vote . but conservative cannot vote. but conservative party— cannot vote. but conservative party chairman— cannot vote. but conservative party chairman greg hands has oeeweeo— party chairman greg hands has oeeweeo bin— party chairman greg hands has accused him of— party chairman greg hands has accused him of attempting to rig the accused him of attempting to rig rbe eieeiion— accused him of attempting to rig the election to— accused him of attempting to rig the election to rig— accused him of attempting to rig the election to rig join the eu.

ano— the election to rig join the eu. one i— the election to rig join the eu. one i woneor— the election to rig join the eu. and i wonder if— the election to rig join the eu. and i wonder if there's some irwib— and i wonder if there's some irwib in— and i wonder if there's some truth in this. _ and i wonder if there's some truth in this. if— and i wonder if there's some truth in this. if starmer allows eu truth in this. if starmer allows bu noiionoie— truth in this. if starmer allows eu nationals to _ truth in this. if starmer allows eu nationals to vote in our eieeiione— eu nationals to vote in our elections here,— eu nationals to vote in our elections here, would that inewirobiy— elections here, would that inevitably lead— elections here, would that inevitably lead to britain retoining— inevitably lead to britain rejoining the— inevitably lead to britain rejoining the european union? wowio— rejoining the european union? wowio ir— rejoining the european union? wowio i go— rejoining the european union? wowio i go o— rejoining the european union? would it go a long way to beibing— would it go a long way to beibing ro— would it go a long way to helping to secure wing helping to secure left wing bro—ib— helping to secure left wing bro-iw boniee— helping to secure left wing pro—eu parties in positions of power— pro—eu parties in positions of power in— pro—eu parties in positions of power in ibie— pro—eu parties in positions of power in this country for a long period— power in this country for a long period or— power in this country for a long period of time?— power in this country for a long period of time? you couple that win— period of time? you couple that wiib oiiowing— period of time? you couple that with allowing 16— period of time? you couple that with allowing 16 year olds to vote — with allowing 16 year olds to wore-obi— with allowing 16 year olds to vote-all-whichl with allowing 16 year olds to- vote-all-which way vote and we all know which way the vote and we all know which way one—oi— vote and we all know which way rbe—or iben- vote and we all know which way the—of them vote.| the vast majority of them vote. bob-i— the vast majority of them vote. bon-i-bno — the vast majority of them vote. bon-i-bno i— the vast majority of them vote. don't-and ijust- the vast majority of them vote. don't and i just help don't you? and i just can't help but don't you? and i just can't help bwr—or- don't you? and i just can't help bwi—or noi- don't you? and i just can't help but—or not this| but wonder whether or not this is but wonder whether or not this ie—woie— but wonder whether or not this ie—woie rigging.- is shameless vote rigging. ioriier— is shameless vote rigging. earlier today— is shameless vote rigging. earlier today ,— is shameless vote rigging. earlier today , i- is shameless vote rigging. earlier today , i took to the earlier today, i took to the eireeie— earlier today, i took to the eireeie io— earlier today, i took to the streets to see _ earlier today, i took to the streets to see the general streets to see what the general bwbiie—ibiel streets to see what the general bwbiie—ibie .| public thought of all of this. bwi— public thought of all of this. but-nationals— public thought of all of this. but nationals from but eu nationals from non—british- but eu nationals from non—british citizens be able to wore— non—british citizens be able to vote over here _ non—british citizens be able to vote over here in— non—british citizens be able to vote over here in general eieerione— vote over here in general eieeiione .— vote over here in general elections . that- vote over here in general elections . that is vote over here in general elections. that is a good gweerion— elections. that is a good gweerion . — elections. that is a good gweerion . i— elections. that is a good question . �*" elections. that is a good question. �*" question. i think if i was abroad living, i'd want to be able to vote . so flip that. able to vote. so flip that. yeah . if they— able to vote. so flip that. yeah . if they live- so flip that. “in?“ if they live here, you . yeah. if they live here, you. weob. — yeah. if they live here, you. weob. on— yeah. if they live here, you. weob. ob yee. — yeah. if they live here, you. yeah. oh yes. i— “iii?“ if they live here, you. yeah. oh yes. “ “iii?“ if they live here, you. yeah. oh yes. �*" 2c; yeah. oh yes. i mean, if you're going to live here long term, i guess it makes sense. but for short term, yeah,— guess it makes sense. but for short term, yeah, i— g g but for short term, yeah, i think they ebowio— short term, yeah, i think they should know— short term, yeah, i think they should know even if they're not going— should know even if they're not going io— should know even if they're not going to eroy— should know even if they're not going to stay here— should know even if they're not going to stay here permanently. seer— going to stay here permanently. see. oboe-e— going to stay here permanently. see. rbor-e o— going to stay here permanently. see, that's a good— going to stay here permanently. see, that's a good question. if they're not going to stay here

permanently, should they be? well, we have the elections every—weei well, we have the electionsi every—wee well, we have the elections- ewery—wee so every four years, don't we? so ebon— every four years, don't we? so rben ebe— every four years, don't we? so then the phasing— every four years, don't we? so then the phasing out of the opportunity for someone else to make policies in the next four years should affect hinckley accommodate for immigrants . accommodate for immigrants. yes. going back to whatever. well , i wouldn't yes. going back to whatever. well, i wouldn't have- yes. cr:::r “g 2 well , i wouldn't have thought well, i wouldn't have thought so. you're not— well, i wouldn't have thought so. you're not part- well, i wouldn't have thought so. you're not part of- well, i wouldn't have thought so. /r:::r. so. you're not part of the eu. you are? no no. so why so. /r:::r. you are? no no. so why would so. 2/r:::r. you are? no no. so why would you oiiow— you are? no no. so why would you oiiow beobie— you are? no no. so why would you allow people who— you are? no no. so why would you allow people who aren't part of yowr— allow people who aren't part of yowr eowniry— allow people who aren't part of yowr eownrry io— allow people who aren't part of your country to vote in your eieeiione— your country to vote in your elections ? _ your country to vote in your elections ? well,- your country to vote in your elections ? kroc... 2r“r2.2; your country to vote in your elections ? kroc... “r2;2r2; your country to vote in your elections ? 322... “222; 32 elections? well, there we go. okay. so the general public or a rather small cross—section of them have spoken. and it was a mixed bag. but for the more granular detail on this, i'm going to go to our deputy political tom harwood, political editor, tom harwood, who in the studio. tom, who joins me in the studio. tom, is it shameless vote rigging to allow eu nationals on top of 16 year olds, which we spoke about last to vote in general last hour, to vote in general elections here? well, it's inrereeiing— 2 22272 well, it's interesting because there are eone-ibe— interesting because there are some the country where some parts of the country where eu some parts of the country where bu noiionoie— some parts of the country where eu nationals can— some parts of the country where eu nationals can vote in certain eieeiione— eu nationals can vote in certain elections. it's— eu nationals can vote in certain elections. it's a— eu nationals can vote in certain elections. it's a relatively eenr— elections. it's a relatively recent thing.— elections. it's a relatively recent thing. but in scotland the recent thing. but in scotland rbe swe— recent thing. but in scotland the snp legislated to allow all eu the snp legislated to allow all bu norionoie— the snp legislated to allow all eu nationals to _ the snp legislated to allow all eu nationals to vote in scottish

boriionenrory— eu nationals to vote in scottish parliamentary elections. and einiioriy— parliamentary elections. and similarly the— parliamentary elections. and similarly the case is now in woiee. — similarly the case is now in wales. that's— similarly the case is now in wales. that's only in the last few— wales. that's only in the last few yeore— wales. that's only in the last few years that— wales. that's only in the last few years that that's happened, but few years that that's happened, bwr beobie— few years that that's happened, bwr beobie oe— few years that that's happened, but people are raising an eyebrow— but people are raising an eyebrow oi— but people are raising an eyebrow at because these eyebrow at this because these are eyebrow at this because these beobie— eyebrow at this because these beobie rboi— eyebrow at this because these are people that tend to iogieoiiy— are people that tend to logically vote more , more logically vote more, more roworoe— logically vote more, more towards the _ logically vote more, more towards the labour way of things and towards the labour way of things one o— towards the labour way of things and a concentrated— towards the labour way of things and a concentrated in the eowib—eoei— and a concentrated in the south—east of— and a concentrated in the south—east of england predominantly. we've seen some eioriee— predominantly. we've seen some eioriee oer— predominantly. we've seen some stories over the— predominantly. we've seen some stories over the weekend about now— stories over the weekend about bow ibie— stories over the weekend about bow ibie nigbi— stories over the weekend about how this might tip the balance in constituencies— how this might tip the balance in constituencies like uxbridge ono— in constituencies like uxbridge ono sowrb— in constituencies like uxbridge and south ruislip, which happens to be— and south ruislip, which happens to be ine— and south ruislip, which happens to be the constituency of boris ronneon. — to be the constituency of boris robneon. veon— to be the constituency of boris johnson. yeah, exactly. but bet-e— johnson. yeah, exactly. but bee-e twee— johnson. yeah, exactly. but bee-e just eoy— johnson. yeah, exactly. but let's just say as— johnson. yeah, exactly. but let's just say as well that one party we bring this in eu nationals can vote in our elections there's somewhere elections and there's somewhere in around in the region of around 3 million them, million million of them, 3.4 million i believe million them. and believe 3.4 million of them. and then stands goes on then a party stands and goes on my my manifesto is my ticket in my manifesto is a second eu referendum and all those people can vote in it. oh i'm sorry, but that is vote rigging. us rejoin the rigging. so for us to rejoin the eu, it ? it rigging. so for us to rejoin the eu, it? it could be eu, isn't it? it could be perceived— eu, isn't it? it could be perceived as— eu, isn't it? it could be perceived as that. - . fl it could be perceived as that. however we eon-i— perceived as that. however we eon-r breewrne— perceived as that. however we can't presume that all 3.4 niiiion— can't presume that all 3.4 niiiion ib— can't presume that all 3.4 million eu citizens with settled erorwe— million eu citizens with settled eioiwe in— million eu citizens with settled status in britain— million eu citizens with settled status in britain would be of rnino. — status in britain would be of nine. or— status in britain would be of one mind. of course, there are

ib— one mind. of course, there are some eu citizens— one mind. of course, there are some eu citizens who dislike the eu or— some eu citizens who dislike the eu or owree— some eu citizens who dislike the eu of course there— some eu citizens who dislike the eu of course there were 17.4 niiiion— eu of course there were 17.4 niiiion ib— eu of course there were 17.4 million eu citizens who disliked the million eu citizens who disliked rbe ib— million eu citizens who disliked rbe bu wnen— million eu citizens who disliked the eu when the— million eu citizens who disliked the eu when the united kingdom was a member of— the eu when the united kingdom was a member of the eu. so we eon-i— was a member of the eu. so we can't necessarily— was a member of the eu. so we can't necessarily presume that, oiibowgb— can't necessarily presume that, although-likely- can't necessarily presume that, although-likely to- although it's fairly likely to say— although it's fairly likely to eoy rbor— although it's fairly likely to say that that— although it's fairly likely to say that that would tip the boionee— say that that would tip the balance-some- say that that would tip the balance some sort of way. balance in in some sort of way. ine— balance in in some sort of way. the interesting— balance in in some sort of way. the interesting point here, ibowgb— the interesting point here, ibowgb ie— the interesting point here, though, is that— the interesting point here, though, is that almost no other eowniry— though, is that almost no other eownrry in— though, is that almost no other eownrry in be— though, is that almost no other country in the world is considering— country in the world is considering doing this. if i wonieo— considering doing this. if i wonreo io— considering doing this. if i wanted to move to america and work— wanted to move to america and work ibere— wanted to move to america and work there and— wanted to move to america and work there and work under a green— work there and work under a green coro— work there and work under a green eoro ,— work there and work under a green eoro , i— work there and work under a green card , i wouldn't be green card, i wouldn't be oiioweo— green card, i wouldn't be allowed to— green card, i wouldn't be allowed to vote in us elections. now— allowed to vote in us elections. wow, i— allowed to vote in us elections. wow, it i— allowed to vote in us elections. now, if i became— allowed to vote in us elections. now, if i became a— allowed to vote in us elections. now, if i became a naturalised citizen— now, if i became a naturalised eiiizen i— now, if i became a naturalised citizen, i would— now, if i became a naturalised citizen, i would be— now, if i became a naturalised citizen, i would be able to. and einiioriy— citizen, i would be able to. and einiioriy ,— citizen, i would be able to. and einiioriy , ir— citizen, i would be able to. and similarly , if an— citizen, i would be able to. and similarly , if an eu— citizen, i would be able to. and similarly , if an eu citizen similarly, if an eu citizen wonie— similarly, if an eu citizen wonie io— similarly, if an eu citizen wants to move- similarly, if an eu citizen wants to move to the uk, they eon-i— wants to move to the uk, they eon-r wore. — wants to move to the uk, they eon-r wore. in— wants to move to the uk, they can't vote. in general elections as can't vote. in general elections oe ibinge— can't vote. in general elections as things stand— can't vote. in general elections as things stand unless they ebooee— as things stand unless they ebooee io— as things stand unless they choose to become a citizen, wbieb— choose to become a citizen, wbieb ie— choose to become a citizen, wbieb ie o— choose to become a citizen, which is a path— choose to become a citizen, which is a path open to them. so you— which is a path open to them. so yow oo— which is a path open to them. so yow oo oiee— which is a path open to them. so yow oo on— which is a path open to them. so you do raise an eyebrow at this beoe— you do raise an eyebrow at this bee ii— you do raise an eyebrow at this bee if on— you do raise an eyebrow at this because if an eu— you do raise an eyebrow at this because if an eu citizen wants to wore— because if an eu citizen wants to vote in— because if an eu citizen wants to vote in o— because if an eu citizen wants to vote in a uk— because if an eu citizen wants to vote in a uk election, what obey— to vote in a uk election, what ibey neeo— to vote in a uk election, what rbey neeo ro— to vote in a uk election, what they need to do— to vote in a uk election, what they need to do is— to vote in a uk election, what they need to do is become a citizen.— they need to do is become a citizen. wow— they need to do is become a citizen. now that's not the eoeieer— citizen. now that's not the eoeieer-in— citizen. now that's not the easiest-in the- citizen. now that's not the easiest in the world, but citizen. now that's not the eas not in the 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britain would be to allow eu nationals to vote in our elections , we could have done elections, we could have done this as members of the eu, of course. but the interesting ibing— course. but the interesting ibing oe— course. but the interesting thing as well— course. but the interesting thing as well is— r2.2r. but the interesting thing as well is that uk eirizene— thing as well is that uk citizens can't- thing as well is that uk citizens can't vote in french eieeiione— citizens can't vote in french elections. if— citizens can't vote in french elections. if we— citizens can't vote in french elections. if we were to move or in-in— elections. if we were to move or in-in sbonieb- elections. if we were to move or in-in sbonieblinl in italian or in spanish or in eerrnon— in italian or in spanish or in german elections. so it is it is a german elections. so it is it is o bir— german elections. so it is it is o bii oi— german elections. so it is it is o bii of o— german elections. so it is it is a bit of a inconsistency there. ano— a bit of a inconsistency there. one i— a bit of a inconsistency there. one i ooee— a bit of a inconsistency there. and it does, of— a bit of a inconsistency there. and it does, of course, feed inro— and it does, of course, feed inio ibie— and it does, of course, feed into this package of measures inor— into this package of measures iboi we— into this package of measures that we heard _ into this package of measures that we heard about from the iobowr— that we heard about from the iobowr bony— that we heard about from the labour party over the weekend, iowering— labour party over the weekend, lowering franchise to lowering the franchise to ebiioren— lowering the franchise to children extending it to children and extending it to ioreignere— children and extending it to foreigners. it's— children and extending it to foreigners. it's a— children and extending it to foreigners. it's a it's an odd eon— foreigners. it's a it's an odd eon or— foreigners. it's a it's an odd eon or one— foreigners. it's a it's an odd sort of and if— foreigners. it's a it's an odd sort of and if they were in power— sort of and if they were in power oe— sort of and if they were in power as well,— sort of and if they were in power as well, would the power as well, what would the eboneee— power as well, what would the chances-that— power as well, what would the chances-that they- power as well, what would the chances that they might chances be that they might try to chances be that they might try ro-wiib— chances be that they might try ro-wiib-boer- chances be that they might try to -with-past thei to do away with first past the poet— to do away with first past the post-introduce- to do away with first past the post introduce something post and introduce something iibe— like proportional representation and like proportional representationi and therefore potentially secure bower— and therefore potentially secure| bower—ioeoiogy power for their kind of ideology for-io— power for their kind of ideology nor-io eone- power for their kind of ideology for-to come? that- power for their kind of ideology for to come? that is for decades to come? that is a gweeiion— for decades to come? that is a gweerion inor— for decades to come? that is a question that has— for decades to come? that is a question that has been raised. however,-we're- question that has been raised. however, we're talking however, when we're talking obowr— however, when we're talking obowi bie— however, when we're talking obowi ire we— however, when we're talking about pr, we need to remember inor— about pr, we need to remember iboi—reeeniiy- about pr, we need to remember that—recently as. that it was only as recently as zeb— that it was only as recently as zeib inor— that it was only as recently as zeib iboi o— that it was only as recently as 2015 that a coalition of right wing— 2015 that a coalition of right wing boniee— 2015 that a coalition of right wing parties actually got a notoriry— wing parties actually got a notoriry or— wing parties actually got a majority of the _ wing parties actually got a majority of the if you add majority of the vote. if you add up majority of the vote. if you add wb—irieb- majority of the vote. if you add| up_|rish unionists, up the northern irish unionists, ribb— up the northern irish unionists, ukilehich_ up the northern irish unionists, ukipiwhich was— up the northern irish unionists, ukip which was riding at its ukip, which was riding at its bigbeei—ono- ukip, which was riding at its highest—and thei highest point then, and the conservative— highest point then, and the conservative party 2015, that conservative party in 2015, that wowio— conservative party in 2015, that

would - delivered - conservative party in 2015, that would-delivered a - conservative party in 2015, that would delivered a right would have delivered a right cooiiiion.— would have delivered a right coalition-i— would have delivered a right coalition..| don't- would have delivered a right coalition. i don't think it's coalition. so i don't think it's rigbr— coalition. so i don't think it's rigbi io— coalition. so i don't think it's rigbr ro eoy— coalition. so i don't think it's right to say that— coalition. so i don't think it's right to say that a proportional eyeien — right to say that a proportional eyeren wowio— right to say that a proportional system would always deliver a berr— system would always deliver a beer wing— system would always deliver a left wing government. is left wing government. but it is rigbi— left wing government. but it is rigbileoy— left wing government. but it is rigbrleoy ii— left wing government. but it is right-say it would - left wing government. but it is right say it would always right to say it would always oeiiwer— right to say it would always deliver government of a murky deliver a government of a murky boebroon— deliver a government of a murky backroom deal— deliver a government of a murky backroom deal with parties doing the negotiations,— backroom deal with parties doing the negotiations, deliver the cooiiiion— the negotiations, deliver the coalition agreement after the erection.— coalition agreement after the election. the— coalition agreement after the election. the advantage of first poet— election. the advantage of first boei ine— election. the advantage of first boer rbe boer— election. the advantage of first boer rbe boei ie— election. the advantage of first past the post is ,— election. the advantage of first past the post is , although every past the post is, although every party— past the post is, although every bony ie— past the post is, although every bony ie o— past the post is, although every party is a coalition in a way , party is a coalition in a way, you— party is a coalition in a way, yow gei— party is a coalition in a way, yow ger io— party is a coalition in a way, yow get to e— party is a coalition in a way, you get to see the manifesto before— you get to see the manifesto before we— you get to see the manifesto before the election and know the offering— before the election and know the offering or— before the election and know the offering of o— before the election and know the offering of a majority government- offering of a majority government before the election . government before the election. wirb— government before the election. wirb bie— government before the election. wirb ire yow-o— government before the election. with pr, you'd only know that orierworoe— with pr, you'd only know that orierworoe .— with pr, you'd only know that afterwards . yeah.— with pr, you'd only know that afterwards . yeah. fascinating. afterwards. yeah. fascinating. tomi— afterwards. yeah. fascinating. ion. rbonb— afterwards. yeah. fascinating. ionnbbonbyow— afterwards. yeah. fascinating. tom, thank you very- afterwards. yeah. fascinating. tom, thank you very much. as even tom, thank you very much. as ever. harwood there. ever. tom harwood there. our deputy editor i'm deputy political editor i'm going in now jonathan going to bring in now jonathan gullace. believe , who was a gullace. i believe, who was a conservative mp. thank you very much jonathan, much for joining me. jonathan, great is this an great to see you. is this an attempt at vote rigging by keir starmer? well look, patrick, of course it is. this is some idea. keir starmer cooked up with his camden comrade , his north camden comrade, his north islington chums deciding how to ramone all day long and bring basically bring brussels via the

back door. this is essentially, you know , a shameless attempt to you know, a shameless attempt to not only try and secure what he would believe would be some sort of left wing progressive government, something that should us, be should terrify all of us, to be perfectly frank, also way should terrify all of us, to be petrying frank, also way should terrify all of us, to be petrying totnk, also way should terrify all of us, to be petrying to long also way should terrify all of us, to be petrying to long term so way should terrify all of us, to be petrying to long term rejoin ay of trying to long term rejoin the and the european union and the british it for what british public see it for what it i'm just gobsmacked it is. and i'm just gobsmacked that starmer thinks that that keir starmer thinks that this is something he's going to sell trent, sell in stoke on trent, especially one of his especially when one of his parliamentary candidates was begging. to begging. he said in a tweet to london and the south to save him from despite being from brexit. despite being in a brexit united brexit capital of the united kingdom, i wait call kingdom, i can't wait to call out jonathan is out the hypocrisy. jonathan is there a concern for what something this might mean something like this might mean for the conservative party though? of with , though? a lot of people with, i'm say proper i'm going to say proper conservative values are maybe already quite concerned about the direction of travel in the conservative party . and if we conservative party. and if we had a system whereby eu nationals could vote on 16 year olds were able to vote, the tories would probably have to start pandering those people tories would probably have to start fandering those people tories would probably have to start fand that those people tories would probably have to start fand that would se people tories would probably have to start fand that would mean ple tories would probably have to start fand that would mean ,le tories would probably have to start fand that would mean , i more. and that would mean, i suspect, tory party suspect, a softer tory party well, look, i think the conservative party is on the

right track. let's not forget this illegal migration bill is extremely tough legislation , extremely tough legislation, something that no other government brave enough government has been brave enough to before and rishi sunak and to do before and rishi sunak and suella deserve full suella braverman deserve full credit for doing that. and this is, course, a government as is, of course, a government as well that's working tirelessly to halve inflation, grow the economy, debt and cut nhs economy, reduce debt and cut nhs waiting lists, as as waiting lists, as well as stopping the boats and i think therefore understand therefore that we understand that priorities as that people's priorities and as you say, the party you say, it's the labour party that pander to woke that wants to pander to the woke nonsense peddled too nonsense that sadly peddled too often in our education system and as well as obviously undermining the very british values proud values that we're proud to adhere conservative adhere to on the conservative benches. we why shouldn't someone who has lived here for 10 or 20 years and has paid tax here and maybe started a family here, why shouldn't they be able to vote in our general elections just because they happen to be, say, spanish or french? well, as you from tom earlier, you heard from tom earlier, patrick, they . can oh, i think patrick, they. can oh, i think we've just lost jonathan. we'll go back to jonathan, though, in a matter of moments. i'm sure we will resurrect him , won't we? will resurrect him, won't we? but there we go. of person but there we go. lots of person

in aren't there in questions here, aren't there really ? and is an interesting really? and it is an interesting point from to mention really? and it is an interesting poin when to mention really? and it is an interesting poin when we to mention really? and it is an interesting poin when we do to mention really? and it is an interesting poin when we do thinko mention really? and it is an interesting poin when we do think ofnention that when we do think of coalition wins lot of the coalition wins a lot of the time, easy, isn't to time, it's easy, isn't it, to think them being the kind of think of them being the kind of rainbow coalitions from left wing that is wing progressive parties that is not always case. as tom not always the case. as tom said, of course, the said, 2015, of course, the majority of the there majority of the votes. there were that lent to were two parties that lent to the right, and i think that is something that's worth noting. i can't help but wonder whether or not would change game, not this would change the game, though. had that kind though. so if we had that kind of post combination keir of post and combination of keir starmer labour victory at the next election, which next general election, which then implemented eu votes for eu nationals and then implemented votes year olds and then votes for 16 year olds and then dare as well, dare i say it as well, implemented something like proportional representation. i suspect add a suspect that would add a bit more and a more heft more weight and a bit more heft to the idea that there would be a left wing coalition non—stop. another jonathan another thing that john jonathan wallace was talking about earlier i can bring him earlier on and i can bring him back thank back up now, jonathan, thank you very to have you on. very much. great to have you on. sorry that. okay. why sorry about that. okay. so why shouldn't spain shouldn't someone from spain who's here for 20 years who's lived here for 20 years vote in elections? come on. vote in our elections? come on. see here, patrick, as tom harwood outlined to you earlier

on, and no one should be afraid to do that. feel free to do that. the ability to do that. enjoy the ability to do that. enjoy the ability to do that. obviously you'll then that. and obviously you'll then have democratic right have that full democratic right to but let's not to have a say. but let's not forget british citizen forget that no british citizen can have a say in a general election in other european election in any other european country. couldn't even country. you couldn't even do that you're a member of the that when you're a member of the european union. so why should we suddenly, newfound european union. so why should we suddenly, as newfound european union. so why should we suddenly, as you newfound european union. so why should we suddenly, as you saidvfound european union. so why should we suddenly, as you said earlier, freedoms, as you said earlier, having on brexit in having delivered on brexit in the 20 in 2019 after the general election, why should suddenly election, why should we suddenly extend when no extend the franchise to when no one else in mainland europe is doing for british doing the same for british citizens? it's absurd. no citizens? it's just absurd. no one else europe would accept one else in europe would accept this own nation we this in their own nation and we shouldn't either. you've been pretty there, jonathan, pretty clear there, jonathan, haven't the that haven't you, about the idea that you think that if people vote for the next for keir starmer at the next general election, they will just find themselves on a highway back membership back to eu membership and something like this will be used in order to for us to do away with brexit have some kind with brexit and have some kind of is of second referendum. is that right ? absolutely. what they'll right? absolutely. what they'll do is use this as a back door to brussels. they'll obviously keep open .in brussels. they'll obviously keep open . in essence. we've open borders. in essence. we've already epithetic

already seen that with epithetic attempted plan, so—called plan on stopping boats, essentially just bringing more people over processed and quicker and keep them longer . processed and quicker and keep them longer. and obviously processed and quicker and keep thewell, longer. and obviously processed and quicker and keep thewell, you'lljer . and obviously processed and quicker and keep thewell, you'll obviouslyibviously processed and quicker and keep thewell, you'll obviously haveisly as well, you'll obviously have the challenge, which is the other challenge, which is a labour party just doesn't labour party that just doesn't have spending plans that are have any spending plans that are costed £90 billion, uncosted funding plans to date , as well funding plans to date, as well as obviously attacking the very fabnc as obviously attacking the very fabric of our society. those cultural values , the fact that cultural values, the fact that labour leaders don't even understand and understand what a woman is and the fact woman doesn't the fact that a woman doesn't have penis is terrified thing have a penis is terrified thing in so let's in the 21st century. so let's let's real about this let's be real about this. this labour dangerous. labour party is dangerous. it's just a new face different just got a new face different from that jeremy corbyn, from the one that jeremy corbyn, but old socialists from the one that jeremy corbyn, but running old socialists from the one that jeremy corbyn, but running it.ld socialists from the one that jeremy corbyn, but running it. jonathan;ts from the one that jeremy corbyn, but running it. jonathan just still running it. jonathan just told me a little bit about something you were alluding to there, british there, which is about british culture and these absolutely staggering predicted net migration a migration figures of up to a million. and just the million. and that's just the legal that's just the legal stuff. that's just the people we know are here for people who we know are here for a start. then you know, a start. and then you know, you've like you've got people like suella braverman stand up and braverman having to stand up and make out of saying it's make a point out of saying it's not racist to basically be absolutely terrified of your local area changing irreversi

ghibli forever and rapid demographic change. and it is absolutely sea rapid. why, in your view do is it not racist to have concerns about about your area becoming massively culturally different and dare i say it as well, maybe, maybe racially different? i mean, just tell me why you don't think that's racist, george brandis was very clear when he spoke to the nationality and borders act pubuc the nationality and borders act public bill committee that the australian people wouldn't have had that they would australian people wouldn't have had had that they would australian people wouldn't have had had to that they would australian people wouldn't have had had to see that they would australian people wouldn't have had had to see legal: they would australian people wouldn't have had had to see legal migrationld have had to see legal migration if it wasn't for the fact that they had control of their borders. and that's why stopping their boats when it came to australia was so important because to because it enabled people to have the confidence to understand are going understand that people are going to to our country and to come to our country and obviously role and we obviously play a big role and we need our health care, need people on our health care, our social care sector. we want the talent from around the our social care sector. we want the to talent from around the our social care sector. we want the to come from around the our social care sector. we want the to come herei around the our social care sector. we want the to come here to 'ound the our social care sector. we want the to come here to thed the our social care sector. we want the to come here to the united world to come here to the united kingdom the job kingdom and create the job opportunities come it. opportunities that come with it. but figures but net migration figures are nearly adding top nearly a million, adding on top of million we already nearly a million, adding on top of is, million we already nearly a million, adding on top of is, of million we already nearly a million, adding on top of is, of course,ion we already nearly a million, adding on top of is, of course, nothing lready nearly a million, adding on top of is, of course, nothing to ady nearly a million, adding on top of is, of course, nothing to be' had is, of course, nothing to be concerned because it will concerned about because it will

feel a lack of control of our borders influence borders. it will influence obviously quickly obviously very quickly demographics certain parts demographics of certain parts of society will people society and will make people rightly concerned. that's rightly concerned. but that's nothing say that we can't nothing to say that we can't tackle with. obviously the points based immigration system is can is something that we can obviously amend and as obviously amend and change as we go and hopefully with go through and hopefully with that well on illegal that cap as well on illegal migration or those asylum seekers sorry, who are going to come this country, then we come to this country, then we can make sure we can obviously make sure that we have our have much more control of our borders. people like borders. why don't people like you and suella braverman and jacob just split off jacob rees—mogg just split off from start your from the tory party? start your own party and you know, i don't know you could call it. know what you could call it. i mean, i suppose, you know, the national party or national conservative party or something , you i something like that, you know, i mean, seem to have mean, you all seem to have similar and similar values. and unfortunately, jonathan, it does appear though the appear as though whilst the government moment is government at the moment is saying, oh, we are promising to bnng saying, oh, we are promising to bring migration down, bring net migration down, i mean, million bring net migration down, i mean, a million bring net migration down, i mean, a year million bring net migration down, i mean, a year. million bring net migration down, i mean, a year. well,nillion bring net migration down, i mean, a year. well, patrick, people a year. well, patrick, i'm a proud conservative party member , have been since the age member, have been since the age of 18 years old. i tragically signed up on my birthday as if i was some premier league footballer first footballer signing their first professional contract. so i

accept and accept the nerdiness and embarrassment may embarrassment that that may cause conservative cause me. but this conservative party, indeed a broad party, yes, is indeed a broad church. it is a force for good. the reason we've been in government longer government for so much longer than political than any other political party in to be perfectly in history to be perfectly frank, is because understand frank, is because we understand the culture, but the values, the culture, but we also fiscal also understand about fiscal responsibility and delivering on that electoral and that electoral mandate. and i will be a conservative will forever be a conservative and proud to be so. all right. look jonathan, thank you very much. to chat. much. always great to chat. jonathan gillis is a conservative mp. now, when i look around , i think at the look around, i think at the local elections before tens of thousands people for thousands of people voted for the democrats, largely the liberal democrats, largely in because they in some areas because they blocked planning permission in their area. so they didn't their local area. so they didn't want area to change want their local area to change irreversibly housing. irreversibly through housing. loads of people are against hs2 for very similar reason, for for a very similar reason, for example. why it socially example. so why is it socially acceptable to be against rapid, irreversible change in your local area for things like housing planning and hs2? but it's not socially acceptable to say i don't want the demographics of my area and the culture of my area to change irreversi albie this quickly because i just can't help but

wonder when we keep seeing figures like net migration predicted to hit 1 million figures like net migration predicted to hit1 million mark predicted to hit 1 million mark thatis predicted to hit 1 million mark that is going to have an impact on your area and is it not worth being able to have a conversation about what we have to preserve in this country as our culture and whether or not it's worth selling that down the river to look 0.0, nought 1% better on a national spreadsheet when it comes to gdp. is it that much better for our economy to have migration have mass migration on that scale? feel wealthier scale? do you feel wealthier right as a result of it right now as a result of it continuing to rise year on year? i suspect not moving on. the uk has spent billions of pounds supporting ukraine in its war with russia, but is it time? is it time to stop spending money and trying to find a and start trying to find a peaceful solution or is that completely non—starter ? putin completely a non—starter? putin won't stop. he'll rampage through europe and we have a moral duty to all of those poor people died in people who've already died in the keep giving them the conflict to keep giving them weapons on that weapons. a big chat on that very, very patrick very, very shortly. patrick christys news, britain's christys on gb news, britain's

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listening to gb news radio. welcome back. britain's commitment— welcome back. britain's commitment to supporting ukraine in ibeir— commitment to supporting ukraine in ibeir wo— commitment to supporting ukraine in their war with— commitment to supporting ukraine in their war with russia is as enong— in their war with russia is as eirong oe— in their war with russia is as errong oe — in their war with russia is as strong as ever. rishi sunak voiooynyr— strong as ever. rishi sunak volodymyr zelenskyy at chequers eoriier— volodymyr zelenskyy at chequers eoriier ioooy— volodymyr zelenskyy at chequers eoriier ioooy ,— volodymyr zelenskyy at chequers earlier today , the— volodymyr zelenskyy at chequers earlier today , the prime earlier today, the prime iiinieier— earlier today, the prime minister said- earlier today, the prime minister said we will train bbroine— minister said we will train ukraine pilots— minister said we will train ukraine pilots to use different binge— ukraine pilots to use different binoe or— ukraine pilots to use different kinds of aircraft. _ ukraine pilots to use different kinds of aircraft. the uk browioeo— kinds of aircraft. the uk provided £2.3- kinds of aircraft. the uk provided £2.3 billion worth of niiirory— provided £2.3 billion worth of niiirory ewbbon— provided £2.3 billion worth of military support to ukraine in 2022,— military support to ukraine in 2022, none— military support to ukraine in 2022, more than— military support to ukraine in 2022, more than any country oiber— 2022, more than any country oiber ibon— 2022, more than any country other than the— 2022, more than any country other than the united states . other than the united states. ano— other than the united states. and ewnob— other than the united states. and sunak has— other than the united states. and sunak has already committed to eweioin— and sunak has already committed to sustain that— and sunak has already committed to sustain that level of support for ibie— to sustain that level of support for ibie yeor. — to sustain that level of support for one yeor. i— to sustain that level of support for this year. i am— to sustain that level of support for this year. i am joined now by eb— for this year. i am joined now by on wewe— for this year. i am joined now by gb news political correspondent darren mccaffrey. borren— correspondent darren mccaffrey. borrenrbonb— correspondent darren mccaffrey. darren, thank you _ correspondent darren mccaffrey. darren, thank you very much. wboi— darren, thank you very much. wboi oe— darren, thank you very much. what are .facts- darren, thank you very much. what are facts that we know what are the facts that we know so what are the facts that we know eo bor— what are the facts that we know eo ior obowi— what are the facts that we know so far about-latest- what are the facts that we know so far about latest pledge so far about the latest pledge for ukraine? _ so far about the latest pledge for ukraine? well,- so far about the latest pledge for ukraine? 3222... for ukraine? well, so this is being a that being part of a tool that president zelenskyy been on president zelenskyy has been on over the last couple of days. he was got ,3 billion was in germany, got ,3 billion worth of commitments from them was in germany, got ,3 billion worth itf commitments from them was in germany, got ,3 billion worth it came nitments from them was in germany, got ,3 billion worth it came to ments from them was in germany, got ,3 billion worth it came to militaryom them when it came to military support. to vatican. when it came to military suppthe to vatican. when it came to military suppthe pope to vatican. when it came to military suppthe pope was to vatican. when it came to military suppthe pope was in) vatican. when it came to military suppthe pope was in francein. see, the pope was in france yesterday, arrived in chequers on a chinook helicopter this morning, warmly embraced by the prime minister. in fact, here is

president zelenskyy arriving in. and in a tweet as he landed was describing rishi as his friends, rishi and returned described president zelenskyy as a churchill esque figure in terms of what they talked about. it is about extra military hardware. we know the uk supplied these long—range missiles, which in fact the russians have managed to shoot one out of the air today. so they claim them and also some drones as well. and what's interesting about that, it goes further than we've seen other countries go the sense other countries go in the sense that it's not purely defensive as this is an attempt, these weapons, to try and cut off russian supply lines , if you russian supply lines, if you like. so it's kind of almost an offensive was much offensive weapon. there was much talk about the of jets talk about jets, the use of jets that ukraine's been asking for. these jets for months and months and months and months. what we got is what we've heard got today is what we've heard really minister really from the prime minister before prepared before is that they're prepared to pilots in jets, but to train pilots in jets, but they're not going to supply them as of plans to do so, as of yet. no plans to do so, not least of all, because the

jets that seem to be potentially on table supply some on the table for supply at some later are f—16s, which are later date are f—16s, which are made the united states. so made by the united states. so you've got this weird situation where british where rishi sunak, the british government offered to government have offered up to train pilots jets . we don't train pilots in jets. we don't actually have . and the jets we actually have. and the jets we said we would never give them anyway. bannau yeah, that is weird. — anyway. bannau yeah, that is weird. ire— anyway. bannau yeah, that is weird. ir-e o— anyway. bannau yeah, that is weird. it's a bit— 2) bannau yeah, that is weird. it's a bit strange to be roie— weird. it's a bit strange to be fair,-crucially,- weird. it's a bit strange to be fair, crucially, we're fair, but but crucially, we're eenoiniy— fair, but but crucially, we're certainly it certainly not wavering when it eonee-bno— certainly not wavering when it comes and mentioned comes to it. and you mentioned ibere—obowi- comes to it. and you mentioned there—about the- there a little bit about the reioiion— there a little bit about the relation zelenskyy there a little bit about the- relation -zelenskyy and relation between zelenskyy and swnob— relation between zelenskyy and swnob o— relation between zelenskyy and sunak, a churchill esque zeienebyy— sunak, a churchill esque zelenskyy was- sunak, a churchill esque zelenskyy was called it is a lot of zelenskyy was called it is a lot or money— zelenskyy was called it is a lot or money inor— zelenskyy was called it is a lot of money that we're giving, ien-r— of money that we're giving, ien-i ire— of money that we're giving, ien-i ire b— of money that we're giving, isn't it? a lot— of money that we're giving, isn't it? a lot of— of money that we're giving, isn't it? a lot of rhiannon 64. 6 isn't it? a lot of rhiannon 64. e biiiion— isn't it? a lot of rhiannon 64. e biiiion eo— isn't it? a lot of rhiannon 64. 6 billion so far— isn't it? a lot of rhiannon 64. 6 billion so far ,— isn't it? a lot of rhiannon 64. 6 billion so far , which is the 6 billion so far, which is the eeeono— 6 billion so far, which is the second highest,— 6 billion so far, which is the second highest, as you've rigbriy— second highest, as you've rightly pointed— second highest, as you've rightly pointed out. �*" rightly pointed out. if the union— rightly pointed out. if the united states,— rightly pointed out. if the united states, which thinks give 30 billion, you know, there 30 billion, you know, and there are discussions as there are discussions here as there are discussions here as there are and there have been in sweden actually in germany, about sustained all about just how sustained all this i mean, this a war this is. i mean, this is a war that began eight, nine years ago. obviously became a real proper widespread conflict late last year. but britain's been offering and training for the

last 2 or 3 years, actually maybe a little longer than that. and as you hear from some politicians saying at some point pubuc politicians saying at some point public opinion might dwindle in support of ukraine, they'll have to say there's no sense that's happened thus far. but also given the fact that defence forces this country are forces in this country are being pared back. so for so long, is there anything left in the cupboard? will it get a point cupboard? will it get to a point where physically actually where we physically actually don't really have that much to offer is going offer if this conflict is going to on and on? and as i to go on and on and on? and as i say, that's the question countries going to countries are going to face potentially the to potentially in the years to come. the that come. but at the moment that there is resolution all around . there is resolution all around. prime going to go to prime minister is going to go to iceland summit, where prime minister is going to go to icelandsummit, where ukraine europe summit, where ukraine is going agenda. going to be on the agenda. president zelenskyy going president zelenskyy is going to dial then he's to dial in and then he's going to japan g7. brilliant, japan at the g7. brilliant, borren— japan at the g7. brilliant, darren, thank— japan at the g7. brilliant, darren, thank you,- ci�* brilliant, darren, thank you, darren wecobrey— darren, thank you, darren. mccaffrey- political mccaffrey there, our political correspondent— mccaffrey there, our political correspondent okay. i'm correspondent right. okay. i'm ioineo—eeniorl joined now by former senior niiiiory— joined now by former senior military intelligence officer ibiiib— military intelligence officer pbilip--_ military intelligence officer philip-. philip,- military intelligence officer philip . philip, great to philip ingram. philip, great to bowe— philip ingram. philip, great to booe-ine— philip ingram. philip, great to have-the show- philip ingram. philip, great to have-the show .- philip ingram. philip, great to have the show . thank you have you on the show. thank you very,— have you on the show. thank you very, very— have you on the show. thank you very, very nweb— have you on the show. thank you very, very much. what would you say very, very much. what would you eoy-wbo— very, very much. what would you eoy-wbo oe— very, very much. what would youi say -who are-saying say to people who are now saying , boob— say to people who are now saying , boob-ewbbon— say to people who are now saying , look, support ukraine and , look, we support ukraine and we beer— , look, we support ukraine and we feel terrible— , look, we support ukraine and

we feel terrible about what's going— we feel terrible about what's going on— we feel terrible about what's going on oer— we feel terrible about what's going on over there, but given the going on over there, but given rbe oor— going on over there, but given the amount of— going on over there, but given the amount of money that we keep bieoging— the amount of money that we keep bieoging every— the amount of money that we keep pledging every single year , i'm pledging every single year, i'm ebbi— pledging every single year, i'm ebinr oi— pledging every single year, i'm skint at home.— pledging every single year, i'm skint at home. can we build a boebiioi— skint at home. can we build a new hospital in— skint at home. can we build a new hospital in my local area ineieooe — new hospital in my local area instead? well,— new hospital in my local area instead? well, if— new hospital in my local area instead? well, if we- new hospital in my local area instead? 3222... �*" 22“ . instead? well, if we don't make sure that ukraine pushes russia out, two things will happen . out, two things will happen. one, russia will come back at some stage in the future and it'll cost us even more than it is at the moment to deal with them, wherever that is . and the them, wherever that is. and the second thing is— them, wherever that is. and the second thing islwill- them, wherever that is. and the second thing islwill send- and the second thing is will send a second thing is it will send a eeeoeg— second thing is it will send a message countries that message to other countries that are message to other countries that ore—grobbing- are looking at grabbing territories— are looking at grabbing territories and they will go and do territories and they will go and to inor— territories and they will go and to bob ono— territories and they will go and do that and it— territories and they will go and do that and it will— territories and they will go and do that and it will cost us even so— do that and it will cost us even more. so whilst— do that and it will cost us even more. so whilst the- do that and it will cost us even more. so whilst the sums are eye wateringly large at the moment, the way they're calculated is quite interesting . a lot of the quite interesting. a lot of the manufacturing will come back into our country or the countries that are supplying the weapons and bits and pieces and that will then generate jobs and generate dollars and generate tax dollars and everything all we're everything else. so all we're getting expenditure getting is the gross expenditure , not the benefits that are going to come from it as well. but this is the cheap end of it. if we don't let the ukrainians finish this it's going to

finish this now, it's going to cost us times, 100 times cost us ten times, 100 times a thousand times more in the future if the world starts to fall apart in a much bigger way . is there any case whatsoever to eoy— . is there any case whatsoever to eoy inor— . is there any case whatsoever to eoy rboi ire— is there any case whatsoever to say that it's time to broker a to say that it's time to broker o beoee— to say that it's time to broker o beoee oeoi— to say that it's time to broker o beoee oeoi e— to say that it's time to broker a peace deal ? well to broker a peace deal? well to broker a beoee— a peace deal? well to broker a beoee eeot— a peace deal? well to broker a beoee oeoi, yow— a peace deal? well to broker a peace deal, you have to get the eonoiiione— peace deal, you have to get the conditions set— peace deal, you have to get the conditions set right for it. ano— conditions set right for it. one or— conditions set right for it. one or one— conditions set right for it. and at the moment,- conditions set right for it. and at the moment, you know, vladimir putin wants to keep parts of a sovereign country . if parts of a sovereign country. if we allow him to keep parts of a sovereign country, he'll come back and take a salami slice in a few years time when he's rebuilt his military. that will then very clear message rebuilt his military. that will th4the very clear message rebuilt his military. that will th4the chinese ry clear message rebuilt his military. that will th4the chinese that,iar message rebuilt his military. that will th4the chinese that, well,essage rebuilt his military. that will th4the chinese that, well, maybe to the chinese that, well, maybe they go and take they should just go and take taiwan you know, negotiate taiwan and, you know, negotiate a keep that you a peace deal and keep that you it sends the wrong message . the it sends the wrong message. the conditions are not right for that negotiation. the war is only going to ever end diplomatically . but that diplomatically. but that diplomatically. but that diplomatic solution will be once the russians have been ejected from the geographic boundaries of ukraine and that diplomatic settlement will be, you know, to make sure that russia doesn't

invade or attack again. and what reparations are going to be needed to help the international community rebuild ukraine. and how sparse are we going to be oner— how sparse are we going to be oiier obi— how sparse are we going to be oiier oii or— how sparse are we going to be after all of this,— how sparse are we going to be after all of this, though? we're eenoing— after all of this, though? we're eenoing o— after all of this, though? we're eenoing o boi— after all of this, though? we're sending a lot of— after all of this, though? we're sending a lot of equipment over ibere— sending a lot of equipment over ibere-ebenoing- sending a lot of equipment over there.-spending a- sending a lot of equipment over there. spending a lot of there. we're spending a lot of our resources— there. we're spending a lot of our resources on— there. we're spending a lot of our resources on this. is there noi— our resources on this. is there nor-reor— our resources on this. is there not-fear that- our resources on this. is there not-fear that we- our resources on this. is there not fear that we might be not a real fear that we might be eenoing— not a real fear that we might be eenoing-or— not a real fear that we might be sending-of-we'vel sending the best of what we've got sending the best of what we've gob—noibingl sending the best of what we'vei got—nothing left got and might have nothing left in—ewbbooro- got and might have nothing left in_cupboard for- in the broom cupboard for ourselves?— in the broom cupboard for ourselves? no— in the broom cupboard for ourselves? no it's interesting. vow— ourselves? no it's interesting. vow-iot— ourselves? no it's interesting. vow-ioblwbor- ourselves? no it's interesting. you-lotlwhat the. ourselves? no it's interesting. | you-lotlwhat the uk ourselves? no it's interesting. | yo doing-lotlwhat the uk ourselves? no it's interesting. | yodoing isllotlwhat the uk ourselves? no it's interesting. yodoing is it's buyingat the uk ourselves? no it's interesting. yodoing is it's buying weapons is doing is it's buying weapons from to to the from elsewhere to send to the ukrainians because, you know, it's of it's buying natures of ammunition that will work in systems ukrainians have systems that the ukrainians have already sent already got. yes, we've sent them , you know, of our them, you know, 14 of our challenger, two tanks. we've sent them , you know, a number of sent them, you know, a number of our as90 self—propelled artillery pieces. but all of these were were going out of service . and a lot of the service. and a lot of the missiles and other things that we've sent to them were coming too close to their expiry dates and they'd have just been destroyed. replaced. destroyed. and then replaced. that's so there's that's going through. so there's very accounting going on very clever accounting going on in this and it's not going to hurt. it's hurting us as hurt. it's not hurting us as much numbers would

hurt. it's not hurting us as much it numbers would hurt. it's not hurting us as much it wouldibers would hurt. it's not hurting us as much it would ifars would hurt. it's not hurting us as much it would if we would hurt. it's not hurting us as much it would if we werei suggest it would if we were taking it from our immediate war stocks. fascinating stuff. ibiiib— stocks. fascinating stuff. bbiiib-yow- stocks. fascinating stuff. . philip, -you .much stocks. fascinating stuff. - philip, -you .much , stocks. fascinating stuff. - philip,-you-much , as philip, thank you very much, as even—ibiiiib- philip, thank you very much, as ever. phillip ingram ever. chat soon. phillip ingram ibere— ever. chat soon. phillip ingram ibere-ie— ever. chat soon. phillip ingram there-is-senior. there, who is former senior niiirory— there, who is former senior military intelligence officer. nowr _ military intelligence officer. wow, ibere-e— military intelligence officer. now, there's more to come between— now, there's more to come between-ono- now, there's more to come between and 5:00 suella between now and 5:00 suella- bowerrnonee—b braverman was heckled when she gove— braverman was heckled when she gowe—bno- braverman was heckled when she gowe—bno we-iil gave her big speech. and we'll bring— gave her big speech. and we'll bring-comment- gave her big speech. and we'll bring comment on cutting bring you a comment on cutting net—sne— bring you a comment on cutting nei—sbe eoye- bring you a comment on cutting net-she says he's- bring you a comment on cutting net she says he's not net migration. she says he's not roeiei— net migration. she says he's not roeiei ono— net migration. she says he's not racist and eamonn— net migration. she says he's not racist and eamonn holmes says ebon— racist and eamonn holmes says rbor. ibiiiib— racist and eamonn holmes says that. phillip schofield and bobby— that. phillip schofield and holly willoughby deserve best oeron— holly willoughby deserve best actor awards— holly willoughby deserve best actor awards for— holly willoughby deserve best actor awards for their performances. i will get the very— performances. i will get the very ioreei— performances. i will get the very latest on— performances. i will get the very latest on this election rrogie— very latest on this election rrogie rewo— very latest on this election tragic feud between the this morning. — tragic feud between the this morning. presenters it's morning. presenters but now it's yowr—bobby- your headlines with polly middlehurst_ your headlines with polly middlehurst .— your headlines with polly middlehurst . patrick thank you. middlehurst. patrick thank you. the middlehurst. patrick thank you. ibe rop— middlehurst. patrick thank you. the top stories— middlehurst. patrick thank you. the top stories this— middlehurst. patrick thank you. the top stories this hour.- middlehurst. patrick thank you. the top stories this hour. the home secretary has defended the government's plan to cut net migration, saying it isn't racist to want to control our borders. in a speech , suella borders. in a speech, suella braverman argued that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable , able and would be a burden on housing and public services . and housing and public services. and she says the uk should be focussed on creating highly

skilled workers. the labour market has acute or structural shortages. as market has acute or structural shortages . as with the nhs, it shortages. as with the nhs, it is shortages. as with the nhs, it ie of— shortages. as with the nhs, it ie of owree— shortages. as with the nhs, it is of course right— 3 as with the nhs, it is of course right that we ebowio— is of course right that we should have— is of course right that we should have an immigration eyeien— should have an immigration eyeren ogiie— should have an immigration system agile enough to plug iboee— system agile enough to plug those shortages— system agile enough to plug those shortages , but we need to those shortages, but we need to get those shortages, but we need to gei oweroii— those shortages, but we need to get overall immigration numbers oown. — get overall immigration numbers oown. ibere— get overall immigration numbers down. there is— get overall immigration numbers down. there is no— get overall immigration numbers down. 2 down. there is no good reason why we can't train up enough truck drivers , butchers, fruit truck drivers, butchers, fruit pickers, builders or welders. brexit enables us to build a bign— brexit enables us to build a high skilled,— brexit enables us to build a high skilled, high wage economy hiin skilled, hiin wage economy that high skilled, high wage economy iboi ie— high skilled, high wage economy iboi ie ieee— high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on low ebiiieo— that is less dependent on low skilled foreign— that is less dependent on low skilled foreign .— that is less dependent on low skilled foreign . labour skilled foreign. labour the uk is skilled foreign. labour the uk ie ro— skilled foreign. labour the uk is to web— skilled foreign. labour the uk is to train ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter jets, but it has no plans to provide them with planes at a meeting at chequers, the prime minister told president zelenskyy that providing war planes wasn't straight forward. but rishi sunak promised further air defence missiles and drones on condition they'd only be used on

ukrainian soil. one thing we wiri— ukrainian soil. one thing we wiii be— ukrainian soil. one thing we wiii be going— ukrainian soil. one thing we will be doing starting- “ 2“ . one thing we will be doing starting actually reioiiweiy— will be doing starting actually relatively soon _ will be doing starting actually relatively soon is— will be doing starting actually relatively soon is training of bbroinion— relatively soon is training of ukrainian pilots— relatively soon is training of ukrainian pilots and that's eoneibing— ukrainian pilots and that's something that we've discussed roeoy— something that we've discussed roeoy one— something that we've discussed today and we're— something that we've discussed today and we're ready to inbieneni— today and we're ready to implement those plans in reioiiweiy— implement those plans in relatively short order , which relatively short order, which wiri— relatively short order, which wiii neon— relatively short order, which will mean that— relatively short order, which will mean that we're training bbroinion— will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become obeoiwieiy— ukrainian citizens to become absolutely combat ready aircraft , biote— absolutely combat ready aircraft , biiore .— absolutely combat ready aircraft , biiore . bne— absolutely combat ready aircraft , pilots . and royal mail could , pilots. and royal mail could be bnee— , pilots. and royal mail could be fined after— , pilots. and royal mail could be fined after failing to meet its be fined after failing to meet ire eeiiwery— be fined after failing to meet its delivery targets in the last yeor. — its delivery targets in the last yeor. oreenn — its delivery targets in the last year. ofcom found- its delivery targets in the last year. 2 2 > year. ofcom found only 73% of first class mail items were delivered on time, missing its target of 93. it also failed to reach its 98% target of second class mail, arriving on time. the regulator says the pandemic can no longer be held as an excuse for poor delivery performance . those are your performance. those are your latest news headlines . i'm back latest news headlines. i'm back in half an hour. see you then .

in half an hour. see you then. yes. welcome back, everybody. so are the home secretary and the so are the home secretary and be brine— so are the home secretary and the prime minister at war over nigrorione— the prime minister at war over migration? now,— the prime minister at war over migration? now, i'm not talking just migration? now, i'm not talking twee bere— migration? now, i'm not talking just here about— migration? now, i'm not talking just here about the small boats inor— just here about the small boats iboi or— just here about the small boats that of course,— just here about the small boats that of course, is— just here about the small boats that of course, is illegal nigrorion. — that of course, is illegal migration. i'm- that of course, is illegal migration. i'm actually talking obowi— migration. i'm actually talking about something— migration. i'm actually talking about something that many people ibinb— about something that many people ibinb-nore— about something that many people think more important think is much more important beoe— think is much more important bee oi— think is much more important because of the— think is much more important because of the sheer scale of it. because of the sheer scale of ii. bne— because of the sheer scale of in one inor— because of the sheer scale of it. and that is— because of the sheer scale of it. and that is illegal migration— it. and that is illegal migration ,- it. and that is illegal migration , which this year could migration, which this year could boeeibiy— migration, which this year could boeeibiy rob— migration, which this year could boeeibiy rob i— migration, which this year could possibly top 1 million. the home secretory— possibly top 1 million. the home secretary thinks— possibly top 1 million. the home secretary thinks that's far too bigb. — secretary thinks that's far too bigb. i— secretary thinks that's far too bigb. iibinb— secretary thinks that's far too high. i think plenty of people rbinb— high. i think plenty of people ibinb ire— high. i think plenty of people think it's far— high. i think plenty of people think it's far too— high. i think plenty of people think it's far too high. ioriien— think it's far too high. earlier, she- think it's far too high. earlier, she speaking think it's far too high. earlier, she-speaking the earlier, she was speaking at the woiionoi— earlier, she was speaking at the. national—conference national conservatism conference wbere— national conservatism conference wbere ebe— national conservatism conference wbere ebe eoie— national conservatism conference where she said that— national conservatism conference where she said that we simply eon-i— where she said that we simply eon-i bowe— where she said that we simply don't have enough houses or bwbiie— don't have enough houses or public services. _ don't have enough houses or public services. our infrastructure, etcetera, for mass migration— infrastructure, etcetera, for mass migration . g“ ..r2;r2 mass migration. high skilled workers support that economic growth and where the labour market has acute or structural shortages, as with the nhs , it shortages, as with the nhs, it is of course right that we should have an immigration system agile enough to plug

those shortages , but we need to those shortages, but we need to get overall immigration numbers down and we mustn't forget how to do things for ourselves. there is no good reason why we can't train up enough truck drivers, butchers, fruit pickers, builders or welders as brexit enables us to build a high skilled, high wage economy thatis high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour. that was our 2019 manifesto pledge , and our 2019 manifesto pledge, and it's what we must deliver now. and it's not xenophobic to say that mass and rapid migration is unsafe , attainable in terms of unsafe, attainable in terms of housing supply , public services housing supply, public services or community relations . nor is or community relations. nor is it bigoted to say that we have too many asylum seekers in this country for whom we have insufficient accommodation. that absorbs more and more people means building more and more

homes is another one of those unfashionable facts that the open borders brigade would say means we're starting a culture war. look, there's a lot of love for suella braverman in my inbox in front of me at the moment. gbviews@gbnews.uk she identifies eeweroi— gbviews@gbnews.uk she identifies eeweroi bey— gbviews@gbnews.uk she identifies several key points— gbviews@gbnews.uk she identifies several key points , doesn't she? several key points, doesn't she? no several key points, doesn't she? be eownrry— several key points, doesn't she? be oownrry ,— several key points, doesn't she? be oownrry , no— several key points, doesn't she? no country , no country can no country, no country can obeorb— no country, no country can obeorb noee— no country, no country can absorb mass migration on the ewe— absorb mass migration on the eeoie inor— absorb mass migration on the scale that we— absorb mass migration on the scale that we are— absorb mass migration on the scale that we are seeing and not bowe— scale that we are seeing and not bowe bwge— scale that we are seeing and not have huge issues— scale that we are seeing and not have huge issues when it comes to eoeioi— have huge issues when it comes to social cohesion,— have huge issues when it comes to social cohesion, but also erweioiiy— to social cohesion, but also crucially, infrastructure . and crucially, infrastructure. and rbere— crucially, infrastructure. and ibere ie— crucially, infrastructure. and there is nothing— crucially, infrastructure. and there is nothing bigoted about eoying— there is nothing bigoted about eoying rbor— there is nothing bigoted about saying that that— there is nothing bigoted about saying that that is just a reoiiiy— saying that that is just a reality because that is the numbers. but— reality because that is the numbers. but also talking of numbers, the— numbers. but also talking of numbers, the excuse and the wby— numbers, the excuse and the reason why for— numbers, the excuse and the reason why for a— numbers, the excuse and the reason why for a lot people reason why for a lot of people ire— reason why for a lot of people ii-e—nobee- reason why for a lot of people it's—makes it- it's palatable. it makes it boioiobie— it's palatable. it makes it palatable have this amount of palatable to have this amount of beowe— palatable to have this amount of beowe-in— palatable to have this amount of beowe-in yowr- palatable to have this amount of people in your country people arriving in your country every—ie— people arriving in your country every—ie ir- people arriving in your country every—ie i ii- people arriving in your country every is if it makes every single year is if it makes yowr— every single year is if it makes yowr oownrry— every single year is if it makes your country look— every single year is if it makes your country look better economically- your country look better economically on a spreadsheet. now— economically on a spreadsheet. wow-ebb— economically on a spreadsheet. wow-ebb nigbr- economically on a spreadsheet. now, gdp might just nudge now, whilst gdp might just nudge its now, whilst gdp might just nudge ire woy— now, whilst gdp might just nudge ire woy wb— now, whilst gdp might just nudge ire woy we o— now, whilst gdp might just nudge its way up a little— now, whilst gdp might just nudge its way up a little bit , do you its way up a little bit, do you bereonoiiy— its way up a little bit, do you personally-better- its way up a little bit, do you personally better off as a personally feel better off as a reewir— personally feel better off as a reewii oi— personally feel better off as a result of mass— personally feel better off as a result of mass migration into ibie— result of mass migration into ibie eownrrye— result of mass migration into this country? are _ result of mass migration into this country? are you personally riebere— this country? are you personally richer? personal— this country? are you personally richer? personal wealth is not going— richer? personal wealth is not going up— richer? personal wealth is not going we oe— richer? personal wealth is not going we oe o— richer? personal wealth is not going up as a result of mass

nigroiion— going up as a result of mass nigrorion oe— going up as a result of mass migration, as far— going up as a result of mass migration, as far i can see. migration, as far as i can see. if migration, as far as i can see. b yow— migration, as far as i can see. b yow bowe— migration, as far as i can see. b yow bowe o— migration, as far as i can see. if you have a different opinion, iben— if you have a different opinion, onen-in— if you have a different opinion, then-in touch— if you have a different opinion, then-in touch .— then get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk but in then get in touch. _ vaiews@gbnews.uk but in order for we— vaiews@gbnews.uk but in order for we re— vaiews@gbnews.uk but in order for we re bir— vaiews@gbnews.uk but in order for us to hit those— vaiews@gbnews.uk but in order for us to hit those gdp targets or wboiewen— for us to hit those gdp targets or whatever, which we're not reoiiy— or whatever, which we're not reoiiy gong,— or whatever, which we're not really doing, way, or whatever, which we're not really doing,-way, we really doing, by the way, are we eeiiing— really doing, by the way, are we selling british _ really doing, by the way, are we selling british culture down the riverb— selling british culture down the new bre— selling british culture down the new be we— selling british culture down the river? are we selling our way of ibe — river? are we selling our way of ibe oown — river? are we selling our way of life down the— river? are we selling our way of life down the river? joining me ie— life down the river? joining me now is our political reporter, life down the river? joining me now is utley,)litical reporter, life down the river? joining me now is utley, who al reporter, life down the river? joining me now is utley, who heardirter, life down the river? joining me now is utley, who heard the, olivia utley, who heard the wboie— olivia utley, who heard the whole speech— olivia utley, who heard the whole speech at that conference roeoy— whole speech at that conference roeoy-woe— whole speech at that conference today .was there _ whole speech at that conference today was there and it was today and was there and it was a iwbibwneer— today and was there and it was a tubthumper suella— today and was there and it was a tubthumper suella braverman got the tubthumper suella braverman got rbe crowe— tubthumper suella braverman got one erowe going— tubthumper suella braverman got the crowd going and that was green— the crowd going and that was greoi. bwi— the crowd going and that was greoi. ewe-one— the crowd going and that was great. but and time again , great. but time and time again, we beer— great. but time and time again, we been o— great. but time and time again, we hear a home— great. but time and time again, we hear a home secretary talk rowgb— we hear a home secretary talk rowgb .— we hear a home secretary talk rowgb . ire— we hear a home secretary talk rowgb . be nor— we hear a home secretary talk tough . it's not bigoted to say tough. it's not bigoted to say inor— tough. it's not bigoted to say oboe-ro— tough. it's not bigoted to say iboi-io owi- tough. it's not bigoted to say that-to cut mass. that we want to cut mass nigroiion. — that we want to cut mass migration. we— that we want to cut mass migration. we need to do it. we eon-i— migration. we need to do it. we cont-ii.— migration. we need to do it. we eon-i-ir. bne— migration. we need to do it. we can't-it. and then- migration. we need to do it. we can't it. and then bingo, migration. we need to do it. we canend it. and then bingo, migration. we need to do it. we canend up it. and then bingo, migration. we need to do it. we canend up with and then bingo, migration. we need to do it. we canend up with net then bingo, migration. we need to do it. we canend up with net migrationio, we end up with net migration ereeieiione— we end up with net migration predictions of— we end up with net migration predictions of the predictions of around the niiiion— predictions of around the niiiion .— predictions of around the million . mark 3222... predictions of around the- million . mark well, absolutely. million. mark well, absolutely. patrick and actually quite a lot of the speech that sevilla braverman gave today was was almost word for word the same as her conference speech in 2022. she really said very little that was new and although the audience here were very much on board with what she was saying, she could finish she could barely finish a sentence sort of sentence without a sort of standing there will be

standing ovation. there will be plenty of watchers, i'm sure, at home who think that. well, yes, you say months ago you did say this six months ago when made home when you were made home secretary. and yet the 2023 migration figures are expected in the next few weeks. and we think what we're going to see is net migration up from between 700,000 and 1 million overall net migration this year, up from 404,000 last year, which was previously the record . and so is previously the record. and so is suella braverman putting her money where her mouth is. what was quite interesting about the speech, although she didn't really say anything new, was the timing of it. rishi sunak is now under more pressure than he has been for the last 6 or 7 months. immediately as he was elected, people in the conservative party on all sides felt that he had to be given a chance for the sake of party unity. but that unity is now beginning to fracture mainly as a result of the dreadful tory local election results of weeks ago. dreadful tory local election reswe. of weeks ago. dreadful tory local election reswe saw of weeks ago. dreadful tory local election reswe saw miriam weeks ago. dreadful tory local election reswe saw miriam catess ago. so we saw miriam cates criticising jeremy hunt's budget . she's a rising star in the

.she's a rising star in the conservative party. jacob rees—mogg being very , very rees—mogg being very, very critical of rishi sunaks attitude to the eu laws to scrapping those eu laws. and then the home secretary intervening. and although she didn't actually say anything overtly , explicitly against overtly, explicitly against rishi sunak's policy, she did imply that perhaps legal migration should be more of a priority for rishi sunak . she priority for rishi sunak. she said that we are focusing on illegal migration at the moment, but there is the issue of legal migration. but there will be those at home who think, well, if we if that's what you think we should you are the should be doing, you are the home secretary. you have the power to do 100. olivia thank power to do it 100. olivia thank you power to do it 100. olivia thank yew-neb— power to do it 100. olivia thank you-much. you're- r22r . �*00 olivia thank you much. you're certainly you very much. you're certainly eowne— sounds like a raucous atmosphere wbere—briey- where you are olivia utley ibere— where you are olivia utleyi there,_reporter. there, our political reporter. in —ro- i'm going to go now to conservative- i'm going to go now to conservative mp tom hunt, who ioine— conservative mp tom hunt, who ioine nne— conservative mp tom hunt, who ioine i— conservative mp tom hunt, who joins me, i believe.— conservative mp tom hunt, who joins me, i believe. thank you very— joins me, i believe. thank you very nweb— joins me, i believe. thank you very nweb ion. — joins me, i believe. thank you very much, tom. great to have you— very much, tom. great to have yow on— very much, tom. great to have yow on be— very much, tom. great to have you on the show. _ very much, tom. great to have you on the show. there he is. obey,— you on the show. there he is. eboy, ion,— you on the show. there he is. eboy, iorn i— you on the show. there he is. eboy, ion, i ewe— you on the show. there he is. okay, tom, i put it to you that yowr— okay, tom, i put it to you that yowr yowr— okay, tom, i put it to you that yowr yowr eony— okay, tom, i put it to you that yowr yowr eony ie— okay, tom, i put it to you that your your party is splitting a nine— your your party is splitting a bite bir— your your party is splitting a little bit here,— your your party is splitting a little bit here, tom. we've got jacob— little bit here, tom. we've got jacob rees—mogg , suella jacob rees—mogg, suella braverman,— jacob rees—mogg, suella braverman, cates, all braverman, miriam cates, all eiwerging— braverman, miriam cates, all. diverging—government diverging away from government policy—them- diverging away from government policy—them is- diverging away from government policy them is your policy. and one of them is your actual—what-sl

actual home secretary. what's going— actual home secretary. what's going om— actual home secretary. what's going on? wen— actual home secretary. what's going on.7 well actually, i don't think— going on.7 well actually, i don't inink inni— going on.7 well actually, i don't inink net is— going on.7 well actually, i don't think that is necessarily the i— think that is necessarily the case. i think— think that is necessarily the case. i think that- think that is necessarily the case. git» case. i think that we have got a situation where we've taken we have the ability to control our borders now. we've got the ability something about ability to do something about it. but do need to it. but we do need to significantly- it. but we do need to. significantly -that it. but we do need to- significantly -that net significantly reduce that net nigniion— significantly reduce that net migration-mean,- migration rate. i mean, ultimately , nobody think if ultimately, nobody i think if you referendum and you you had a referendum and you asked british people, you asked the british people, you know migration know, do you want net migration to be a, you know, around 800,000 a year, i think you'd be lucky to get 10% of people voting in support of that. at the end of day, the british the end of the day, the british pubuc the end of the day, the british public shouldn't be shut out of a on net migration. it's a debate on net migration. it's their we also know their country. and we also know that economic that this isn't just an economic debate. cultural debate. this is about cultural and of and social implications of having migration at that having net migration at that scale. to to scale. we've got to listen to a british british public and we've got significantly reduce net got to significantly reduce net legal migration. yes, i applaud what the prime minister has done on illegal migration, we've on illegal migration, but we've also decrease legal also got to decrease legal migration. how are we migration. yeah, but how are we going to do that, tom.7 you know, the tories going to do that, tom? you know, the tories have— going to do that, tom? you know, the tories have had— going to do that, tom? you know, the tories have had an— going to do that, tom? you know, the tories have had an 80- 913 g i:i:::i 7 you know, the tories have had an 80 seat nag-orig.— the tories have had an 80 seat nag-orig. as— the tories have had an 80 seat majority. as you've— the tories have had an 80 seat majority. as you've said there. if majority. as you've said there. ii—nni- majority. as you've said there. ii—nni iii- if you went out and did a referendum— if you went out and did a referendum on- if you went out and did a referendum on whether or not

people— referendum on whether or not people drastically people wanted to drastically. remove—inn remove net migration into this connin— remove net migration into this connin ,— remove net migration into this connin , ne— remove net migration into this country , we.know- remove net migration into this country , we know what the country, we all know what the answer would _ country, we all know what the answer would be. _ country, we all know what the answer would be. your party answer would be. tom, your party islcharge— answer would be. tom, your party islcharge oi— answer would be. tom, your party islcharge of doing— is in charge of doing it. it's noi— is in charge of doing it. it's noi nnnnening— is in charge of doing it. it's noi happening .— is in charge of doing it. it's not happening . i mean , i think not happening. i mean, i think it's not happening. i mean, i think in naug— not happening. i mean, i think it's really clear— not happening. i mean, i think it's really clear that the home secretary— it's really clear that the home secreting ani— it's really clear that the home secretary and the— it's really clear that the home secretary and the prime iiinisien— secretary and the prime minister, i— secretary and the prime minister, i think, have have got to, minister, i think, have have got in you— minister, i think, have have got in, you know,— minister, i think, have have got to, you know, decrease the numbers. you— to, you know, decrease the numbers. /i:::i. to, you know, decrease the numbers. a1:.i. to, you know, decrease the- numbers. you know what i would say is we've ended free movement. we've ended free movement, something movement, which is something that's step forward. and that's a big step forward. and actually people are actually the people who are coming least are meeting this coming at least are meeting this salary threshold. you could coming at least are meeting this salarythat shold. you could coming at least are meeting this salarythat salaerou could coming at least are meeting this salarythat salary threshold argue that salary threshold should i think should be higher. i think it probably higher. probably should be higher. but there threshold. there is a salary threshold. there requirement. there is a language requirement. so quite the same as so this isn't quite the same as what saw in eu free movement, what we saw in eu free movement, where we really saw some negative for negative consequences for community that. community as a result of that. but because left community as a result of that. but european because left community as a result of that. but european union,|se left community as a result of that. but european union, we've left community as a result of that. but european union, we've got the european union, we've got the european union, we've got the to respond. we've got the power to respond. we've got a we've place. a new system we've put in place. clearly tweak it so clearly we've got to tweak it so we can get those numbers down. why is it that people like jeremy faux pas jeremy hunt are so faux pas focussed on what our gdp figures look like, that they are essentially be asking us to accept quite a qatar strophic reality of net migration on an

industrial scale without any updates to our infrastructure that are needed in order to cope with that two doctor's surgeries to transport links to school places to crucially housing just so jeremy hunt can go to his banker mate and say, look at this. we look all right on a spreadsheet.— this. we look all right on a spreadsheet. it's— we look all right on a spreadsheet. it's not good enongn— spreadsheet. it's not good enongn .— spreadsheet. it's not good enough . well,— spreadsheet. it's not good enough . well, i think ultimately enough. well, i think ultimately know— enough. well, i think ultimately know waning— enough. well, i think ultimately know wanting to— enough. well, i think ultimately know wanting to grow the economy, wanting to promote nonun— economy, wanting to promote wealth creation _ economy, wanting to promote wealth creation is a noble oiiooiivo— wealth creation is a noble objective that— wealth creation is a noble objective that has benefits for ingo— objective that has benefits for nngo nnnnoni— objective that has benefits for huge numbers of— objective that has benefits for huge numbers of people in this connin. — huge numbers of people in this oonnin. nui— huge numbers of people in this country. but ultimately, we can't do it just through an addiction to uncontrolled migration . you know, we've got migration. you know, we've got to invest in skills in this country. got to look at country. we've got to look at the system well, the welfare system as well, ultimately. of the ultimately. and some of the points about students as well. i mean, have absolutely no idea mean, i have absolutely no idea why students able to bring why students are able to bring in if i had the opportunity in know if i had the opportunity to a phd in to go into like a phd in america, it would never cross my to go into like a phd in amerithatt would never cross my to go into like a phd in amerithatt wo mum aver cross my to go into like a phd in amerithatt womum and cross my to go into like a phd in amerithatt womum and my s my to go into like a phd in amerithatt womum and my dad! mind that my mum and my dad would come with me. it seems pretty to i don't pretty crazy to me. i don't really understand why that's the case. chancellor case. ultimately chancellor is right focusing right to be focusing on wealth creation must actually,

creation, i must add. actually, we've give the prime we've got to give the prime minister a bit credit. minister quite a bit of credit. i think, for what he's doing. an illegal migration, and got illegal migration, and i've got every that every reason to believe that he'll my he'll share many of my sympathies of sympathies on the question of legal clearly now legal migration. but clearly now we've to have these stats we've got to have these stats published soon. i think it's published soon. and i think it's important government important that the government respond accordingly and listen to public. you know, to a british public. you know, a vast majority us recognise vast majority of us recognise the benefits of managed migration . we manage, we see the migration. we manage, we see the benefits of that. but having net migration scale , the migration of that scale, the level is simply too level of change is simply too much for a country for social and consequences it. and cultural consequences of it. i think are far too significant . we've got to respond accordingly. on those social and cultural consequences . is it cultural consequences. is it bigoted or racing to- (4.44. 4:4 is it bigoted or racing to not {444 4:4 is it bigoted or racing to not want nniio— bigoted or racing to not want white british _ bigoted or racing to not want white british to— bigoted or racing to not want white british to be a minority in onion— white british to be a minority in nniioin ny— white british to be a minority in britain by 2050 .7 in britain by 2050.7 to be honest.— in britain by 2050.7 to be honest. in— in britain by 2050.7 to be honest, to be— in britain by 2050.7 to be honest, to be perfectly honest with you, i'm i'm not really focussed on the colour of people's skin. i think that is that isn't of relevance here. what is of relevance is having shared values and having a shared values and having a shared national culture that is what is of relevance and

actually, yes, i think a managed sustainable levels of immigration can enrich that culture. they can add to it. and we've seen in history how we've benefited _ and we've seen in history how we've benefited from that. but wnen— we've benefited from that. but when you— we've benefited from that. but when you goi— we've benefited from that. but when you get net— we've benefited from that. but when you get net migration at the levels we're seeing at the moment, incredibly moment, i think it's incredibly difficult to integrate in a way which works for the country. but so ultimately, you know, i'm not focussed on the colour of people's skin , but what i am people's skin, but what i am focussed on is having a net migration at a level which our pubuc migration at a level which our public with. public services can cope with. but seen , you know, but we've seen, you know, particularly through eu free movement that the negative impact has often had on communities. we've seen town centres often destroyed because, because as a consequence of it and we've had people moving to the country who don't speak our language, who don't really have much of a desire of making a positive contribution . we saw positive contribution. we saw a lot eu freedom lot of that through eu freedom of clearly with of movement. clearly with our points that's points based system, that's an improvement. but the numbers still numbers still matter. the numbers still matter . and a lot of still matter. the numbers still matter. and a lot of us matter. and i think a lot of us are looking that address. are looking to see that address. just quickly, tom,

just quick, just quickly, tom, insi— just quick, just quickly, tom, just insi— just quick, just quickly, tom, just just on— just quick, just quickly, tom, just just on that,— just quick, just quickly, tom, just just on that, i'm not ooninooi— just just on that, i'm not convinced that- just just on that, i'm not convinced that like convinced that areas like nnoiioni— convinced that areas like bradford wakefield, bradford or wakefield, for oxonnio— bradford or wakefield, for example, change irreversibly as a example, change irreversibly as o—nignoiion- example, change irreversibly as a_migration mean,| a result of eu migration mean, to a result of eu migration mean, io io— a result of eu migration mean, io no innocuo— a result of eu migration mean, to be perfectly honest with you, insi— to be perfectly honest with you, inoi-iinoiiy— to be perfectly honest with you, just finally though, tom, i just just finally though, tom, i being— just just finally though, tom, i believe that— just just finally though, tom, i believe that rishi sunak is noving— believe that rishi sunak is noving-nini- believe that rishi sunak is having-kind of- believe that rishi sunak is having kind of get together having some kind of get together at having some kind of get together oi minion— having some kind of get together oi nnnion io— having some kind of get together at number io-are- having some kind of get together at number 10 are you at number 10 tonight. are you going?— at number 10 tonight. are you going? doon— at number 10 tonight. are you going? does this— at number 10 tonight. are you going? does this show that maybe non— going? does this show that maybe no-o o— going? does this show that maybe no-o o iii— going? does this show that maybe he's a bit rattled— going? does this show that maybe he's a bit rattled by— going? does this show that maybe he's a bit rattled by all these iningo—iningo- he's a bit rattled by all these fringe things that fringe conference things that are fringe conference things that one-pione— fringe conference things that are place getting are taking place and getting a lot are taking place and getting a ioilinooiion— are taking place and getting a lot-traction ? _ are taking place and getting a lot-traction ? i— are taking place and getting a lot traction ? lot of traction? i must i must add that, you know, in my own home town, that i represent, you know, i've seen some mixed consequences of eu migration to the town i represent. i'd also say that say we've got a, you know, a bangladeshi community who have contributed enormously to and other to our town and other communities as well. you know, and actually, the and actually, we have in the last 40 or years benefited last 40 or 50 years benefited from managed levels of immigration. been immigration. it's just been some of the unmanaged and the sheer scale of numbers we've seen recently problem. recently are a problem. so in terms evening, recently are a problem. so in terms evening , there is terms of this evening, there is an i'm going to downing an event i'm going to downing street evening and i look street this evening and i look forward to hearing what the prime minister got to say. prime minister has got to say. you i would also add, you know, and i would also add, i think the prime minister, his

you staring us the you know, he's staring us in the right direction. think right direction. i think he's moved when he moved us forward from when he came he inherited an came in. he inherited an incredibly difficult situation and full support and, incredibly difficult situation and know, full support and, incredibly difficult situation and know, i full support and, incredibly difficult situation and know, i thinkll support and, incredibly difficult situation and know, i think actually't and, incredibly difficult situation and know, i think actually to nd, you know, i think actually to try and blame rishi sunak for the local results is the local election results is slightly ridiculous. you know, ultimately, person slightly ridiculous. you know, ultblamev, person slightly ridiculous. you know, ultblame more person slightly ridiculous. you know, ultblame more than person slightly ridiculous. you know, ultblame more than anybodyi to blame more than anybody else for election and for a local election result. and it truss. okay. tom it was liz truss. okay. tom strong— it was liz truss. okay. tom sinong nonin— it was liz truss. okay. tom strong stuff. thank- 4 okay. tom strong stuff. thank you very noon— strong stuff. thank you very noon on— strong stuff. thank you very much as ever. _ strong stuff. thank you very much as ever. hunt those much as ever. tom hunt those consonoiivo— much as ever. tom hunt those conservative mps_ much as ever. tom hunt those conservative mps for ipswich igni— conservative mps for ipswich nigni non— conservative mps for ipswich right now, phillip schofield and noiiy— right now, phillip schofield and holly willoughby were back on tv this holly willoughby were back on tv inn morning— holly willoughby were back on tv inn nonning .— holly willoughby were back on tv this morning . but— holly willoughby were back on tv this morning. but how holly willoughby were back on tv this morning . but how long will this morning. but how long will they— this morning. but how long will no nonn— this morning. but how long will they work together? he's called they work together? he's called one ionyon— they work together? he's called the lawyers and— they work together? he's called the lawyers and he's called the pr the lawyers and he's called the pie—onen- the lawyers and he's called the pie—onen ioingl pr in. apparently she's doing the pr in. apparently she's doing inn-oo— pr in. apparently she's doing the as supposedly the same as well. supposedly it's the same as well. supposedly ii-o onooo— the same as well. supposedly it's chaos there. _ the same as well. supposedly it's chaos there. it's frosty on ii-o— it's chaos there. it's frosty on screen. it's awkward. what's going— screen. it's awkward. what's. going—ennoiyo going on? i'm patrick christys onions.— going on? i'm patrick christys on news, britain's news .

forces? join me mark white on gb news as . all right. welcome back news as. all right. welcome back . so let's get the latest on iniiio— . so let's get the latest on philip schofield,- so let's get the latest on philip schofield, shall we? and he philip schofield, shall we? and

no presented— philip schofield, shall we? and he presented this— philip schofield, shall we? and he presented this morning oiongoiio— he presented this morning alongside holly willoughby today it alongside holly willoughby today i no— alongside holly willoughby today it was rumoured— alongside holly willoughby today it was rumoured that holly nooion-i— it was rumoured that holly wouldn't turn— it was rumoured that holly wouldn't turn up to work because she wouldn't turn up to work because one no— wouldn't turn up to work because she was so upset— wouldn't turn up to work because she was so upset after the pair oioonoo. — she was so upset after the pair oioonoo. ino— she was so upset after the pair clashed. the big— she was so upset after the pair clashed. the big question was, nonin— clashed. the big question was, noon-ono— clashed. the big question was, would-and holly- clashed. the big question was, would and holly talk about would phil and holly talk about innin— would phil and holly talk about their relationship— would phil and holly talk about their relationship ? we're all their relationship? we're all inno— their relationship? we're all non on— their relationship? we're all there on tenterhooks tuning in, noioning.— there on tenterhooks tuning in, watching, waiting, thinking . are watching, waiting, thinking. are onen— watching, waiting, thinking. are no going— watching, waiting, thinking. are no going io— watching, waiting, thinking. are they going to address this massive elephant in the room? it's massive elephant in the room? in o— massive elephant in the room? in o noni— massive elephant in the room? in o no oi— massive elephant in the room? it's a herd of elephants in the ion-i— it's a herd of elephants in the room, isn't it?— it's a herd of elephants in the room, isn't it? this is what nonoonoo— room, isn't it? this is what noooonoo . — room, isn't it? this is what happened . : happened. aukus. today's top headunes happened. aukus. today's top headlines , the headline, first headlines, the headline, first of all, being that incredible jumper. thank you very much. in — jumper. thank you very much. in nooiing— jumper. thank you very much. i'm wearing my eurovision jumper . my wife says it's one of elton ionn-o— . my wife says it's one of elton ionn-o cosi— . my wife says it's one of elton john's cast offs.— . my wife says it's one of elton john's cast offs. it's— my wife says it's one of elton john's cast offs. it's an onginoi. — john's cast offs. it's an original. it's- john's cast offs. it's an original. it's very nice. have you— original. it's very nice. have you noo— original. it's very nice. have you no onio— original. it's very nice. have you had this one a long time or is this new for this year? i've had no i've had it since- 7 i've had no i've had it since the insen— had no i've had it since the men. — had no i've had it since the men. no— had no i've had it since the 1980s. it's been- had no i've had it since the 1980s. 4 1“ 1980s. it's been that's not the big story of the day, is it? that's not the big news of the day,— that's not the big news of the ion is— that's not the big news of the ion is in— that's not the big news of the day, is it? phil— that's not the big news of the day, is it? phil and holly? nnynon— day, is it? phil and holly? anyway, joining me now to incons— anyway, joining me now to discuss this— anyway, joining me now to discuss this is— anyway, joining me now to discuss this is media legend noni— discuss this is media legend fleet street— discuss this is media legend fleet street journo extraordinaire is nigel pauley. nigoi— extraordinaire is nigel pauley. nigoi oin— extraordinaire is nigel pauley. nigel all, thank— extraordinaire is nigel pauley. nigel all, thank you very much. enooo— nigel all, thank you very much. enooi io— nigel all, thank you very much. great to have— nigel all, thank you very much. great to have you— nigel all, thank you very much. great to have you on the show.

non-no— great to have you on the show. you're-air— great to have you on the show. you're-air-than- great to have you on the show. you're-air-than me. great to have you on the show. you're air than me now, you're on air more than me now, ini— you're on air more than me now, in you— you're on air more than me now, in you iono— you're on air more than me now, in you iono io — you're on air more than me now, but you love to see— you're on air more than me now, but you love to see it so onpnoooon— but you love to see it so- onoooooon—ino supposedly he's brought the ionoonn—inol lawyers, he's brought the ionnon— lawyers, he's brought the lawyers—a- lawyers, he's brought thei lawyers—a pr lawyers, he's brought the- lawyers_a pr firm lawyers in. she's got a pr firm invoinooi— lawyers in. she's got a pr firm involved-can't— lawyers in. she's got a pr firm involved. can't carry on. involved. this can't carry on. no.— involved. this can't carry on. no. nin— involved. this can't carry on. no. niii oonn— involved. this can't carry on. no. will carry on— involved. this can't carry on. no. will carry on until- involved. this can't carry on. no. will carry on until probably july, i think when they have their summer break, they're both under contract until september. and so i think we can guarantee inoi— and so i think we can guarantee inoi onen— and so i think we can guarantee inoi onen nin— and so i think we can guarantee that they will be— and so i think we can guarantee that they will be working iogoinon— that they will be working together until— that they will be working together until the summer break ioooono— together until the summer break ioooono vou— together until the summer break because you can't— together until the summer break because you can't break oonnooio— because you can't break contracts worth millions . but contracts worth millions. but one— contracts worth millions. but the contract— contracts worth millions. but the contract negotiations over the contract negotiations over in onno— the contract negotiations over the summer might be interesting and the summer might be interesting on i— the summer might be interesting on i ininn— the summer might be interesting and i think only— the summer might be interesting and i think only one of them nin— and i think only one of them niii io— and i think only one of them will be back— and i think only one of them will be back in— and i think only one of them will be back in the in the fall ono— will be back in the in the fall on one— will be back in the in the fall and the autumn— will be back in the in the fall and the autumn . a and the autumn. yeah, i just wonder, though , you know, there wonder, though, you know, there is a ginormous elephant in the room, isn't there, with that relationship. it's a terrible situation. relationship the scripted relationship. we had this conversation— scripted relationship. we had this conversation the- tint. : we had this conversation the other :nt. : we had this conversation the other day . iot— this conversation the other day . ion cniion— this conversation the other day . pat cullen yeah,— this conversation the other day 1“ a3? 1“ n1:;,t

ioiovioion— situation is that people on television, as— situation is that people on television, as we said, aren't oinono— television, as we said, aren't oinono booi— television, as we said, aren't always best of— television, as we said, aren't always best of friends. “can “an: always best of friends. they had always best of friends. they had o connin— always best of friends. they had a carefully crafted friendship that was honed by publicists , by that was honed by publicists, by lawyers. if you suggested they weren't friendly, they'd send you a legal letter and by agents who were fierce for 14 years and by itv . the problem has by itv. the problem has nonnonoo. — by itv. the problem has happened. that- . the problem has happened. by itv. the problem has- happened. that has happened by itv. the problem has happened. that has happened now is that the bosses at itv have suddenly started questioning themselves whether this is the right combination. what's changed, nigel? - right combination. what's changed, nigel? this is what i don't understand what's happened because it worked so well. we had his big coming out moment as well, she was there for him. well, and she was there for him. he was literally crying her he was literally crying on her shoulder point. what's shoulder at one point. what's changed? and he's become the oton— changed? and he's become the story .— changed? and he's become the story . ano— changed? and he's become the story . and in— tgf and he's become the story . and in television, story. and in television, potion— story. and in television, patrick, anything in politics, if no— patrick, anything in politics, if no opin— patrick, anything in politics, if the spin doctor or the star iooonnoo— if the spin doctor or the star becomes a story,— if the spin doctor or the star becomes a story, if you're toning— becomes a story, if you're talking more— becomes a story, if you're talking more about the stars is off oooon— talking more about the stars is off screen and— talking more about the stars is off screen and antics than ooinoiin— off screen and antics than actually what's- off screen and antics than actually what's on screen , that actually what's on screen, that iooonnoo— actually what's on screen, that becomes a problem. and you've got io— becomes a problem. and you've got to remember— becomes a problem. and you've got to remember that the at the oiiiononoo — got to remember that the at the oiiiononoo io— got to remember that the at the difference is he— got to remember that the at the difference is he was protected innongn— difference is he was protected through coming— difference is he was protected through coming out. he was noiooioo— through coming out. he was protected through other things nono— protected through other things

nno-in— protected through other things nono-in ino- protected through other things have-in the past. protected through other things have in the past and have happened in the past and non-nn— have happened in the past and was um over when have happened in the past and. was-um over when they was protected. um over when they tnnnoo— was protected. um over when they tnnooo ii— was protected. um over when they jumped i you— was protected. um over when they jumped i you ino— was protected. um over when they jumped if you like at the onoon-o— jumped if you like at the queen's walking around the, you know.— queen's walking around the, you know. no— queen's walking around the, you know, the queen's— queen's walking around the, you know, the queen's coffin . what's know, the queen's coffin. what's nonnonoo— know, the queen's coffin. what's noinonoo io— know, the queen's coffin. what's happened is clearly they are now spinning— happened is clearly they are now oninning ogoinoi— happened is clearly they are now spinning against it. now i remember i'm— spinning against it. now i remember i'm old enough to nonnonnoni i— remember i'm old enough to remember i wrote the story when nninoo— remember i wrote the story when nninoo inno— remember i wrote the story when anthea turner suddenly was known as anthea turner suddenly was known on ninoooo— anthea turner suddenly was known oo ininoooo tippy— anthea turner suddenly was known as princess tippy toes. this was not— as princess tippy toes. this was not no— as princess tippy toes. this was what her co—star,_ as princess tippy toes. this was what her co—star, eamonn holmes at what her co—star, eamonn holmes oi ino— what her co—star, eamonn holmes oi ino iino— what her co—star, eamonn holmes oi ino iino no— what her co—star, eamonn holmes at the time he spoke— what her co—star, eamonn holmes at the time he spoke about it, i ininn— at the time he spoke about it, i ininn on— at the time he spoke about it, i ininn on on— at the time he spoke about it, i think on on gb— at the time he spoke about it, i think on on gb news the other day— think on on gb news the other day ,— think on on gb news the other day . no— think on on gb news the other day , he suddenly— think on on gb news the other day , he suddenly he was day, he suddenly he was onoononoi— day, he suddenly he was empowered by itv bosses, lost ioiin— empowered by itv bosses, lost ioiin in— empowered by itv bosses, lost ioiin in non— empowered by itv bosses, lost faith in her, and— empowered by itv bosses, lost faith in her, and the skids are onion— faith in her, and the skids are onion non— faith in her, and the skids are under her. and— faith in her, and the skids are under her. and they are minions.— under her. and they are ruthless. once the skids are onion— ruthless. once the skids are onion vou— ruthless. once the skids are onion you in— ruthless. once the skids are under you in television and in iiv— under you in television and in itv ,— under you in television and in iiv . oo— under you in television and in itv , as others— under you in television and in itv , as others have found to itv, as others have found to non— itv, as others have found to inoin oooi— itv, as others have found to inoin oooi .— itv, as others have found to their cost , they— itv, as others have found to their cost , they pull the plug. their cost, they pull the plug. ani— their cost, they pull the plug. nno ii— their cost, they pull the plug. and it seems— their cost, they pull the plug. and it seems to— their cost, they pull the plug. and it seems to me, sadly, that oi— and it seems to me, sadly, that oi inon— and it seems to me, sadly, that one of them is— and it seems to me, sadly, that one of them is beyond their sell by one of them is beyond their sell in ioio— one of them is beyond their sell in ioio non— one of them is beyond their sell by date now. and— one of them is beyond their sell by date now. and it— one of them is beyond their sell by date now. and it appears that sonoiioii— by date now. and it appears that sonoiioii io— by date now. and it appears that schofield is beyond his by schofield is beyond his sell by ioio. — schofield is beyond his sell by ioio. nin— schofield is beyond his sell by date. now, look— schofield is beyond his sell by date. now, look ,— schofield is beyond his sell by date. \nn1::ntnn1 9134 date. now, look, we've not got long about 30s, so do you long at all about 30s, so do you think are to think that itv are going to start against their own start briefing against their own man schofield to man now? phillip schofield to get man now? phillip schofield to goi-oni— man now? phillip schofield to goi-oni ino— man now? phillip schofield to get-out the .they- man now? phillip schofield toi get-out the .they have get him out the door they have noon—

get him out the door they have noon-ogoinoi- get him out the door they have been -against him - been briefing against him for some-. yes. um,- been briefing against him for some . a1:;t;fn um, i think some weeks. yes. um, i think noti— some weeks. yes. um, i think not iini— some weeks. yes. um, i think we'll find that— some weeks. a1:;t;fn um, i think we'll find that there'll be a noinoi— we'll find that there'll be a natural they'll, _ we'll find that there'll be a natural they'll, they'll try and oonn— natural they'll, they'll try and ionn ii— natural they'll, they'll try and ionn ii oonn— natural they'll, they'll try and damp it down for— natural they'll, they'll try and damp it down for a for a few to get— damp it down for a for a few to goi innongn— damp it down for a for a few to goi innongn io— damp it down for a for a few to get through to the— damp it down for a for a few to get through to the summer, the summer break— get through to the summer, the summer break will be key. i ion-i— summer break will be key. i ion-i inni— summer break will be key. i don't think they'll- summer break will be key. i don't think they'll be- summer break will be key. i don't think they'll be they'll be together in september. be back together in september. all nigel, thank all right, look, nigel, thank you very much. i will talk to you— you very much. i will talk to you oioni— you very much. i will talk to you about this— you very much. i will talk to you about this again- cg .t i will talk to you about this again probably tomorrow. nigel— you about this again probably tomorrow. nigel pauley, their ononiiz— showbiz legend. now, it's innonioni— showbiz legend. now, it's important-that- showbiz legend. now, it's important that as far as important to say that as far as iniiiino— important to say that as far asi phillips—confirmed, phillips schofield is confirmed, is phillips schofield is confirmed, io—noin- phillips schofield is confirmed, io—noiin onoi is concerned, he and holly are oiiii— is concerned, he and holly are oiiii-gooi- is concerned, he and holly are still-good friends. is concerned, he and holly are still-good friends .i still very, very good friends. now:— still very, very good friends. non. snoiio— still very, very good friends. now, suella braverman has said inoi— now, suella braverman has said inoi ii-o— now, suella braverman has said inoi ii-o noi— now, suella braverman has said that it's not racist— now, suella braverman has said that it's not racist to want to oni— that it's not racist to want to oni noi— that it's not racist to want to cut net migration— that it's not racist to want to cut net migration . we're going cut net migration. we're going in oi— cut net migration. we're going in oi inoi— cut net migration. we're going in oi inoi oi— cut net migration. we're going in at that at the— cut net migration. we're going in at that at the top of the noxi— in at that at the top of the noxi non. — in at that at the top of the next hour. she— in at that at the top of the next hour. she also wants us to oion— next hour. she also wants us to oion ioing— next hour. she also wants us to stop being reliant— next hour. she also wants us to stop being reliant on cheap ionoign— stop being reliant on cheap foreign labour.— stop being reliant on cheap foreign labour. i'm going to be ooiing— foreign labour. i'm going to be ooninglnniio— foreign labour. i'm going to be asking, brits little asking, are brits a little bit ioo— asking, are brits a little bit ioo-io— asking, are brits a little bit ioo-io go— asking, are brits a little bit ioo-io go oni- asking, are brits a little bit too to go and some too lazy to go and do some nonioi— too lazy to go and do some nonioi ioio— too lazy to go and do some menial jobs-are- too lazy to go and do some menial jobs are employers menial jobs or are employers insi— menial jobs or are employers tnoi iooiing— menial jobs or are employers just looking employ just looking to employ cheap ionoign—io- just looking to employ cheap| foreign—is british foreign labour? and is british oniino— foreign labour? and is british culture itself— foreign labour? and is british culture itself something that's nonin— culture itself something that's worth protecting? do you feel as inongn— worth protecting? do you feel as inongn noo— worth protecting? do you feel as though we're being sold down the noon— though we're being sold down the nnon— though we're being sold down the nnon ii— though we're being sold down the river when it comes— though we're being sold down the river when it comes to mass nignoiion— river when it comes to mass nignoiion oni— river when it comes to mass migration and patrick christys on on— migration and patrick christys on on nons— migration and patrick christys on gb news britain's news ononnoion— on gb news britain's news channels? dodi_ on gb news britain's news channels? dodi .uk.

very good evening, everybody . very good evening, everybody. nonioi— very good evening, everybody. patrick christys— very good evening, everybody. patrick christys here on gb nono. — patrick christys here on gb nono. ii-o— patrick christys here on gb news. it'sjust_ patrick christys here on gb news. it's just gone 5 pm. and i news. it's just gone 5 pm. and i nono— news. it's just gone 5 pm. and i novo goi— news. it's just gone 5 pm. and i novo goi o— news. it's just gone 5 pm. and i nono goi o no— news. it's just gone 5 pm. and i have got a rip roaring final non— i have got a rip roaring final non ion— i have got a rip roaring final non ion non.— i have got a rip roaring final hour for you. we— i have got a rip roaring final hour for you. we are going in win— hour for you. we are going in win inn.— hour for you. we are going in with this. keir— hour for you. we are going in with this. keir starmer has been ooonooi— with this. keir starmer has been ooonooi oi— with this. keir starmer has been accused of attempting to rig oiooiiono— accused of attempting to rig oiooiiono in— accused of attempting to rig elections by allowing eu noiionoio— elections by allowing eu nationals to— elections by allowing eu nationals to vote and of course 16 nationals to vote and of course to noon— nationals to vote and of course no noon oiio— nationals to vote and of course no noon oiio oo— nationals to vote and of course 16 year olds as well . or do you 16 year olds as well. or do you ininn— 16 year olds as well. or do you ininn inoi— 16 year olds as well. or do you think that this— 16 year olds as well. or do you think that this is— 16 year olds as well. or do you think that this is the right ining— think that this is the right ining io— think that this is the right thing to do?— think that this is the right thing to do? i've got a big ioioio— thing to do? i've got a big ioioio on— thing to do? i've got a big debate on this— thing to do? i've got a big debate on this coming up. in oinon— debate on this coming up. in oinon no— debate on this coming up. in other news, though, suella braverman, she's at she braverman, she's at it. she oonn— braverman, she's at it. she sons-nosi- braverman, she's at it. she says,-must cut. says, look, we must cut nignoiion. — says, look, we must cut migration. you're not racist or iigoioi—noni bigoted or xenophobic if you noni— bigoted or xenophobic if you want mass migration want to cut mass migration and to want to cut mass migration and io-ino— want to cut mass migration and io-ino iooio— want to cut mass migration and to .the boats. but- want to cut mass migration and to the boats. but do you to stop the boats. but do you ioiiono— to stop the boats. but do you believe - she's - to stop the boats. but do youi believe-she's-and believe what she's saying and are believe what she's saying and non— believe what she's saying and are you prepared— believe what she's saying and are you prepared massive are you prepared for massive ionognonnio— are you prepared for massive demographic change in this connin— demographic change in this oonninn 7— demographic change in this country ? we're— demographic change in this country ? we're also talking country? we're also talking oioni— country? we're also talking oioni inin— country? we're also talking about this because zelenskyy has noon— about this because zelenskyy has ioon noon— about this because zelenskyy has ioon noon in— about this because zelenskyy has been back in town,— about this because zelenskyy has been back in town, hasn't he? noo— been back in town, hasn't he? no-o-ooning- been back in town, hasn't he?| he's-asking.more he's obviously asking for more iningo— he's obviously asking for more inns—ioio.- he's obviously asking for more things—jets. we'vei things like fighter jets. we've iooiioi— decided that we're going to non— decided that we're going to train-ukrainian- decided that we're going to train ukrainian fighters. train more ukrainian fighters.

oni— train more ukrainian fighters. ooi-io— train more ukrainian fighters. ooi-io gino- train more ukrainian fighters. but to give peace but is it time to give peace a noncon— but is it time to give peace a chance between— but is it time to give peace a chance between ukraine and iinooion— chance between ukraine and iinooion non— chance between ukraine and russia? how much longer can we oni— russia? how much longer can we oni ino— russia? how much longer can we oni ino nosi— russia? how much longer can we and the west keep— russia? how much longer can we and the west keep funding this non— and the west keep funding this ani— and the west keep funding this nno io— and the west keep funding this war? and to wrap— and the west keep funding this war? and to wrap us off these iignnoo— war? and to wrap us off these figures, absolutely staggering. i figures, absolutely staggering. 1 in figures, absolutely staggering. i in io— figures, absolutely staggering. i in io nio— figures, absolutely staggering. 1 in 10 kids now— figures, absolutely staggering. 1 in 10 kids now say that they noni— 1 in 10 kids now say that they noni io— 1 in 10 kids now say that they want to change— 1 in 10 kids now say that they want to change their gender to. do non— want to change their gender to. no non ioiiono— want to change their gender to. do you believe that? i actually do. do you believe that? i actually to i— do you believe that? i actually to i ininn— do you believe that? i actually do. i think the— do you believe that? i actually do. i think the more important gnooiion— do. i think the more important gnooiion io— do. i think the more important question is why?— do. i think the more important question is why? what's going on?— question is why? what's going on? no— question is why? what's going on? no inon— question is why? what's going on? are they being indoctrinated? patrick christys on . on— indoctrinated? patrick christys on . on newa— indoctrinated? patrick christys on . gb news? well, lots to go on. gb news? well, lots to go oni— on. gb news? well, lots to go oni inno— on. gb news? well, lots to go out there, isn't— on. gb news? well, lots to go out there, isn't there? vaiews@gbnews.uk is that email oiinooo— vaiews@gbnews.uk is that email oiinooo i— vaiews@gbnews.uk is that email address i want— vaiews@gbnews.uk is that email address i want to— vaiews@gbnews.uk is that email address i want to hear from you. do non— address i want to hear from you. no non ininn— address i want to hear from you. do you think that— address i want to hear from you. do you think that net migration ionoio— do you think that net migration ionoio ono— do you think that net migration levels are sustainable? if snoiio— levels are sustainable? if suella braverman right to say inoi— suella braverman right to say inoi nono— suella braverman right to say that you're not— suella braverman right to say that you're not a— suella braverman right to say that you're not a racist if you ion-i— that you're not a racist if you ion-i noni— that you're not a racist if you ion-i noni io— that you're not a racist if you don't want to see _ that you're not a racist if you don't want to see mass migration on inin— don't want to see mass migration on this particular— don't want to see mass migration on this particular scale? we're noning— on this particular scale? we're noning inoi— on this particular scale? we're having that big— on this particular scale? we're having that big debate on the old:— having that big debate on the oii. gnoio— having that big debate on the old, quote unquote vote rigging onoion— old, quote unquote vote rigging onoion inono. — old, quote unquote vote rigging system there. should eu noiionoio— system there. should eu nationals be— system there. should eu nationals be allowed to vote in our nationals be allowed to vote in gononoi— nationals be allowed to vote in our general elections? now, inongn.— our general elections? now, inongn ii-o— our general elections? now, though, it's your—

our general elections? now, though, it's your headlines with ioiin— though, it's your headlines with ioiin .— though, it's your headlines with polly . patrick. _ though, it's your headlines with polly . patrick. “new �*fii�*i1:44 polly. patrick. thank you. well, the top story this hour, as you've been hearing, the home secretary has defended the government's plan to cut net migration, saying it's not racist to want to control our borders. in a speech , suella borders. in a speech, suella braverman argued that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable and would be a burden on housing and would be a burden on housing and public services. and she says the uk should be focussed on creating highly skilled workers. the labour market has acute or structural shortages . acute or structural shortages. as with the nhs, it is of course nigni— as with the nhs, it is of course nigni inoi— as with the nhs, it is of course nigni inoi no— as with the nhs, it is of course right that we should have an innignoiion— right that we should have an immigration system agile enough to immigration system agile enough io ping— immigration system agile enough io ping inooo— immigration system agile enough to plug those shortages , but we to plug those shortages, but we nooi— to plug those shortages, but we nooi io— to plug those shortages, but we nooi io goi— to plug those shortages, but we need to get over— to plug those shortages, but we need to get over all immigration nnnnonoi— need to get over all immigration numbers down. _ need to get over all immigration numbers down. “6112 need to get over all immigration numbers down. “i1:;”i1:; g: numbers down. there is no good reason why we can't train up enough truck drivers. butchers fruit pickers, builders or

welders. brexit enables us to ioii— welders. brexit enables us to iniii o— welders. brexit enables us to iniii o nign— : brexit enables us to build a high skilled, high wage oononn— build a high skilled, high wage oononnn inoi— build a high skilled, high wage economy that is— build a high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on ion— economy that is less dependent on low skilled— economy that is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour. non.— on low skilled foreign labour. noii. ino— on low skilled foreign labour. well, the speech— on low skilled foreign labour. well, the speech was disrupted by ino— well, the speech was disrupted by two protesters— well, the speech was disrupted by two protesters minutes after the by two protesters minutes after ino nono— by two protesters minutes after the home secretary began. ' the home secretary began. a man oiooi— the home secretary began. a man siooi up— the home secretary began. a man stood up claiming— the home secretary began. a man stood up claiming to be a group member of the group the extinction rebellion. moments later, a woman interrupted the speech as well, heckling the home secretary. she was also removed . the uk is to train removed. the uk is to train ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter jets, but has no ukrainian pilots to fly western fighterjets, but has no plans to provide them with planes . at to provide them with planes. at a meeting at chequers , the prime a meeting at chequers, the prime minister told president zelenskyy that providing warplanes wasn't straightforward. but rishi sunak did promise further air defence missiles and drones under the condition they were only to be used on ukrainian soil. one thing we will be doing- 4. n1::n1�* 1“ 1“ 4 one thing we will be doing starting ooinoiin— thing we will be doing starting actually relatively soon is the inning— actually relatively soon is the inoining oi— actually relatively soon is the training of ukrainian pilots , training of ukrainian pilots, oni— training of ukrainian pilots, oni inoi-o—

training of ukrainian pilots, and that's something that we've iioonoooi— and that's something that we've discussed today— and that's something that we've discussed today and we're ready to discussed today and we're ready io inniononi— discussed today and we're ready to implement those plans in onion— to implement those plans in relatively short— to implement those plans in relatively short order, which nin— relatively short order, which niii noon— relatively short order, which will mean that— relatively short order, which will mean that we're training unnoinion— will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become oiooinioin— ukrainian citizens to become absolutely combat ready aircraft . niioio— absolutely combat ready aircraft . niioio . — absolutely combat ready aircraft . niioio . non.— absolutely combat ready aircraft , pilots . well, for— absolutely combat ready aircraft , pilots. well, for his- absolutely combat ready aircraft , pilots . �*fii�*i1:44 1�* , pilots. well, for his part, president zelenskyy thanked the prime minister, saying the fighterjets prime minister, saying the fighter jets are prime minister, saying the fighterjets are an important issue for his country. today we spoke about the jets were important topic for us because we can't control the sky. you know it. so i think you- tin?" 4 you know it. so i think you know ononnining— know it. so i think you know everything deeply because we're real everything deeply because we're nooi noninono. — everything deeply because we're real partners. rishi knows all the real partners. rishi knows all ino ioioiio— real partners. rishi knows all the details of— real partners. rishi knows all the details of what's going on on our battlefield. thank you nonn— on our battlefield. thank you nonn noon.— on our battlefield. thank you nonn noon. ani— on our battlefield. thank you very much. and we want to create inooo— very much. and we want to create inooo ioio— very much. and we want to create these jets coalition _ very much. and we want to create these jets coalition and i'm nonn— these jets coalition and i'm nonn nooiiino— these jets coalition and i'm very positive with it . t very positive with it. royal noi— very positive with it. royal noii conni— very positive with it. royal mail could be— very positive with it. royal mail could be fined after failing to meet its delivery targets for the last year. ofcom says the company fell short of its performance targets for the first and second class mail deliveries . the regulator says deliveries. the regulator says the pandemic can no longer be

cited as an excuse. royal mail says that improving the quality of service is a top priority . a of service is a top priority. a ballot on strike action by senior doctors in england has opened. senior doctors in england has opened . that's after the british opened. that's after the british medical association says talks with the government over the long running pay dispute is still in deadlock. but the health department is urging those striking to seriously consider the effect that further walkouts could have on patients. the ballot will close at the end of june and the royal college of nursing says nurses fear being taken to court over the level of care they give to patients agents. the union says more than nine out of ten nurses have raised concerns that their patients may be receiving unsafe levels of care due to their working conditions . levels of care due to their working conditions. some nurses have described feeling suicidal as they deem corridor treatment downgraded patients . the police downgraded patients. the police watchdog is investigating after an 11 year old boy was tasered

at a holiday park in scotland . at a holiday park in scotland. police were called to a caravan park near ayr just after 11:00 on march 22nd. the boy who was holding a knife fell to the ground after being tasered by police . police scotland say the police. police scotland say the incident has been referred to the police investigations and review commissioner. property news and the average monthly rent on newly let homes across britain was £125 higher in april than it was at the same time last year . that tallies an extra last year. that tallies an extra £1,500 each year. more according to the property agent. hamptons the average rent paid for newly let homes reached over £1,200 a month in april. that figure being a new high ulez gb news. more news as it happens . now more news as it happens. now back to .

back to. patrick litvinenko. i back to. patrick litvinenko . i start this hour litvinenko. i start this hour niin— litvinenko. i start this hour niin o— litvinenko. i start this hour niin o ionic— litvinenko. i start this hour with a topic i'm— 4n i start this hour with a topic i'm going to be noinnning— with a topic i'm going to be noinnning io— with a topic i'm going to be returning to for— with a topic i'm going to be returning to for a big debate ioion— returning to for a big debate ioion on— returning to for a big debate later on and— returning to for a big debate later on and it— returning to for a big debate later on and it involves sir non— later on and it involves sir keir starmer.— later on and it involves sir keir starmer. now the labour iooion— keir starmer. now the labour leader thinks— keir starmer. now the labour leader thinks it's— keir starmer. now the labour leader thinks it's quotes common oonoo-iu— leader thinks it's quotes common sense-eu nationals- sense to allow eu nationals noo— sense to allow eu nationals nno-no-ino- sense to allow eu nationals who've-the uk. sense to allow eu nationals who've the uk for who've worked in the uk for noon— who've worked in the uk for noono io— who've worked in the uk for noono io-o- who've worked in the uk for years to a general years to vote in a general oiooiion— years to vote in a general oiooiion .— years to vote in a general election . starmer said that it election. starmer said that it iooio— election. starmer said that it iooio nnong— election. starmer said that it feels wrong that— election. starmer said that it feels wrong that people who have ooniniinioi— feels wrong that people who have contributed to _ feels wrong that people who have contributed to britain's economy and contributed to britain's economy oni—oniiinon- contributed to britain's economy and—children in- contributed to britain's economy and children in the and raised their children in the connin— and raised their children in the oonninn onnoi— and raised their children in the country cannot vote . but country cannot vote. but conservative _ country cannot vote. but conservative party chairman greg nonio— conservative party chairman greg nonio noo— conservative party chairman greg hands has accused— conservative party chairman greg hands has accused him of oiionniing— hands has accused him of attempting to— hands has accused him of attempting to rig the electorate to attempting to rig the electorate io rejoin— attempting to rig the electorate io noioin ino— attempting to rig the electorate to rejoin the eu— attempting to rig the electorate to rejoin the eu .— attempting to rig the electorate to rejoin the eu . now, earlier to rejoin the eu. now, earlier ioion.— to rejoin the eu. now, earlier today i— to rejoin the eu. now, earlier today, i pounded— to rejoin the eu. now, earlier today, i pounded the pavements ino— today, i pounded the pavements near the studio— today, i pounded the pavements near the studio to— today, i pounded the pavements near the studio to talk to a cross—section— near the studio to talk to a cross—section of- near the studio to talk to a cross—section of the general nonio— cross—section of the general nniiio oioni— cross—section of the general public about what they thought oioni— public about what they thought oioni iii— public about what they thought about eu nationals being allowed to about eu nationals being allowed io noio— about eu nationals being allowed io noio in— about eu nationals being allowed to vote in british— about eu nationals being allowed to vote in british elections. oni— to vote in british elections. on in— to vote in british elections. but eu nationals and non—british oiiizono— but eu nationals and non—british oiiizono io— but eu nationals and non—british citizens be able— but eu nationals and non—british citizens be able to— but eu nationals and non—british citizens be able to vote over nono— citizens be able to vote over nono in— citizens be able to vote over here in general— citizens be able to vote over here in general elections . here in general elections. that is o— here in general elections. that is o gono— here in general elections. that is a good question.— here in general elections. that is a good question. i- here in general elections. that is a good question. i think if i was abroad living now, i'd want to be able to vote. so flip that. yeah. if they live here. yeah oh yes. i mean, if we're

going— yeah oh yes. i mean, if we're going io— yeah oh yes. i mean, if we're going io ino— yeah oh yes. i mean, if we're going to live here— a oh yes. i mean, if we're going to live here long term, i gnooo— going to live here long term, i gnooo ii— going to live here long term, i guess it makes— going to live here long term, i guess it makes sense. but for non— guess it makes sense. but for ononi ionn— guess it makes sense. but for ononi ionn .— guess it makes sense. but for short term , yeah,— guess it makes sense. but for short term , yeah, i think they short term, yeah, i think they ononii— short term, yeah, i think they should know— short term, yeah, i think they should know even if they're not going— should know even if they're not going io— should know even if they're not going io oion— should know even if they're not going to stay here— should know even if they're not going to stay here permanently. see i— going to stay here permanently. soo . inoin— going to stay here permanently. soo . inoi-s o— going to stay here permanently. see , that's a good— going to stay here permanently. see, that's a good question. if they're not going to stay here permanently, should be? permanently, should they be? well, have the elections well, we have the elections ononn— well, we have the elections ononn ion— well, we have the elections every four years,- well, we have the elections every four years, don't we? so inon— every four years, don't we? so inon-nnooing— every four years, don't we? so then-phasing out- every four years, don't we? so then phasing out the then the phasing out of the onnoninniin— then the phasing out of the opportunity for_ then the phasing out of the opportunity for someone else to mono— opportunity for someone else to mono noiioioo— opportunity for someone else to make policies in— opportunity for someone else to make policies in the next four noon— make policies in the next four noono ononii— make policies in the next four years should effectively accommodate for immigrants going noon— accommodate for immigrants going noon io— accommodate for immigrants going back to whatever. _ accommodate for immigrants going back to whatever. �*fii�*i1:44 back to whatever. well, i noniin-i— back to whatever. well, i wouldn't have thought so. you're not part of the eu. you on— you're not part of the eu. you ni— you're not part of the eu. you no no.— you're not part of the eu. you are? no no. so— you're not part of the eu. you are? no no. so why- you're not part of the eu. you are? no no. so why would you allow people who aren't part of your country to vote in your elections ? it never ceases to elections? it never ceases to i go— elections? it never ceases to amaze me. i go out- t 7 it never ceases to amaze me. i go out and do this nooi— amaze me. i go out and do this nooi iono— amaze me. i go out and do this nooi daysn oni— amaze me. i go out and do this most days, and usually i find at ioooi— most days, and usually i find at ioooi ono— most days, and usually i find at least one person— most days, and usually i find at least one person who's not from inin— least one person who's not from inn-oni— least one person who's not from this-andlconfront- least one person who's not from this and confront them this country and i confront them win— this country and i confront them niin-nini— this country and i confront them niin-nini oi— this country and i confront them with kind of reality that with some kind of reality that nonoon—no l we're all experiencing here. and inon— we're all experiencing here. and inon oii— we're all experiencing here. and inon oii ioon— we're all experiencing here. and they all look at— we're all experiencing here. and they all look at me like i've gono— they all look at me like i've gono-nni— they all look at me like i've gono-nni noo.- they all look at me like i've gone but yes. welcome to gone mad. but yes. welcome to onion.— gone mad. but yes. welcome to onion-nonn— gone mad. but yes. welcome to britain. news deputy britain. gb news deputy noiiiiooi— political editor tom harwood ioino— joins me now. tom, is it ononoiooo— joins me now. tom, is it shameless rigging to joins me now. tom, is it- shameless-rigging to allow shameless vote rigging to allow eu shameless vote rigging to allow in noiionoio— shameless vote rigging to allow eu nationals-vote— shameless vote rigging to allow eu nationals vote in british eu nationals to vote in british oiooiionon— eu nationals to vote in british elections?-one- eu nationals to vote in british elections? one could look elections? well, one could look

at elections? well, one could look oi ino— elections? well, one could look at the-patterns- elections? well, one could look at the -patterns of- elections? well, one could look at the patterns of people at the voting patterns of people inon — at the voting patterns of people inon ino — at the voting patterns of people from the european— at the voting patterns of people from the european union and ininn— from the european union and ininn nonnono— from the european union and think perhaps they're more inoin— think perhaps they're more iinoin io— think perhaps they're more likely to vote— think perhaps they're more likely to vote for parties that nono— likely to vote for parties that have historically— likely to vote for parties that have historically close been ooooin— have historically close been ooooin io— have historically close been closer to the _ have historically close been closer to the european union. so closer to the european union. so non— closer to the european union. so non conni— closer to the european union. so non conii .— closer to the european union. so non oonii . i— closer to the european union. so you could , i suppose,- closer to the european union. so you could, i suppose, make that argument, although you could also look at how this is this has been deployed already in scotland and in wales for those devolved elections where eu citizens with settled status can vote in those devolved elections. you could say that it's matching that change. however elsewhere in the world it's very rare to find a country where someone who isn't a citizen is allowed to vote in a general election . yeah, indeed. general election. yeah, indeed. ani— general election. yeah, indeed. nno inoi— general election. yeah, indeed. nno inoi no— general election. yeah, indeed. and that was one— general election. yeah, indeed. and that was one of— general election. yeah, indeed. and that was one of the- and that was one of the overwhelming responses that i got overwhelming responses that i goi inono— overwhelming responses that i goi inono oo— overwhelming responses that i got there as well. _ overwhelming responses that i got there as well. there was a lot got there as well. there was a ioi nnono— got there as well. there was a ioi io— got there as well. there was a lot more to it— got there as well. there was a lot more to it than— got there as well. there was a lot more to it than than just inoi— lot more to it than than just inoi oiin. — lot more to it than than just inoi on on— lot more to it than than just that clip. of course, where noono— that clip. of course, where noonio — that clip. of course, where people were saying, well, can i go oni— people were saying, well, can i go oni noio— people were saying, well, can i go oni noio ii— people were saying, well, can i go and vote if i've— people were saying, well, can i go and vote if i've got a second nono— go and vote if i've got a second bomelspain?_ go and vote if i've got a second home.spain?.if- go and vote if i've got a second home.spain?.if i- go and vote if i've got a second home spain? if i live in home in spain? or if i live in soon— home in spain? or if i live in snoin ion— home in spain? or if i live in snoin ion o— home in spain? or if i live in spain for a little— home in spain? or if i live in spain for a little bit. and the answer to that— spain for a little bit. and the answer to that would would nnoonnoiin— answer to that would would presumably why should

presumably be no. why should we be presumably be no. why should we io—i— presumably be no. why should we io—i nnoon- presumably be no. why should we io—i nnnl be an outlier here? i mean, why is be an outlier here? i mean, why io-innonioni— be an outlier here? i mean, why is-important for— be an outlier here? i mean, why is-important for us- be an outlier here? i mean, why is important for us that is it so important for us that someone-don't- is it so important for us that someone don't just someone why don't they just ioo— someone why don't they just- nooono—non. become a british citizen? well, inoi— become a british citizen? well, noi-oonno.— become a british citizen? well, that,.course, is— become a british citizen? well, that,.course, is the- that, of course, is the challenge. when keir starmer challenge. and when keir starmer was this was speaking on the radio, this morning, quite morning, he made the quite compelling that if you pay compelling case that if you pay taxes somewhere, you should have you shouldn't have no tax, you should have no taxation without representation, as the old phrase of the american revolutionaries went out. and that sounds compelling until you realise if you move here, there is the option to become a british citizen . or you can british citizen. or you can apply british citizen. or you can apply for citizenship, which keir starmer said was if someone was living 20 or 30 was living here for 20 or 30 years, surely they should be able vote they've made able to vote if they've made their lives here, if they've settled and the answer is settled here, and the answer is they already, if become they can already, if they become a citizen, you have to a british citizen, you have to raise and ask raise an eyebrow and ask a question as to why wouldn't someone want to become a british citizen? but still vote in the election. quickly, there's election. just quickly, there's onoono— election. just quickly, there's ononi on— election. just quickly, there's around 3.4 million— t 1:1“ just quickly, there's around 3.4 million eu nationals in onion— around 3.4 million eu nationals in oniioin oi— around 3.4 million eu nationals in britain at the— around 3.4 million eu nationals in britain at the moment without onion— in britain at the moment without british citizenship— in britain at the moment without british citizenship , with british citizenship, with onion— british citizenship, with crucially settled status british citizenship, with- crucially-settled status . crucially with settled status. so crucially with settled status. so nono-o— crucially with settled status. so inono-s o— crucially with settled status. so there's a larger— crucially with settled status. so there's a larger number who don't have that settled status

and more sort of limbo and are in a more sort of limbo place. but those the place. but those with the special category of settled status that is the proposal for that group of 3.4 million to vote. and the fear fear is that keir starmer potentially would then find it easier to put a second referendum back on the table and have those people vote in it. and then it's a backdoor inio— in it. and then it's a backdoor inio ino— in it. and then it's a backdoor inio ino iii.— in it. and then it's a backdoor into the eu, which— 1�* 4 and then it's a backdoor into the eu, which is what some noonio— into the eu, which is what some noonio nono— into the eu, which is what some people have been— into the eu, which is what some people have been alluding to. non.— people have been alluding to. well, conservative— people have been alluding to. well, conservative are- people have been alluding to. well, conservative are very, very about that. very worried about that. however, would be that however, it would be said that obviously this wouldn't a obviously this wouldn't be a change until after the next election. so presumably the next election. so presumably the next election in 2024. it could be election is in 2024. it could be in january 2025. if we can stomach this parliament stretching on that long. and then it would be another five years until the next election when this would happen. so we are looking quite a way down the road. tom, thank you very much. ion— road. tom, thank you very much. ion nonnooi— road. tom, thank you very much. tom harwood there,— : tom, thank you very much. tom harwood there, our deputy noiiiiooi— tom harwood there, our deputy political editor. _ tom harwood there, our deputy political editor. i'm going to be political editor. i'm going to to_o- political editor. i'm going to be_a debate. political editor. i'm going toj be_a debate on be returning for a debate on inio.— be returning for a debate on inio-goi— be returning for a debate on ihis-lgei nonn— be returning for a debate on this. get your views this. so get your views coming in on— this. so get your views coming in on non— this. so get your views coming in gb views at— this. so get your views coming in gb views at gb— this. so get your views coming in gb views at gb news .uk. oonoin— in gb views at gb news .uk. oonoin-on. - in gb views at gb news .uk. gareth-on. he- in gb views at gb news .uk. gareth on. he says in gb views at gb news .uk.- gareth-on. he says it's gareth has been on. he says it's an gareth has been on. he says it's on—inoi- gareth has been on. he says it's on—inoi no| an absolute shambles that we nonio— an absolute shambles that we would-nationals- an absolute shambles that we would nationals to would allow eu nationals to noio— would allow eu nationals to noioli— would allow eu nationals to noioli oon-i— would allow eu nationals to

vote..| can't-i- would allow eu nationals to vote. i can't i want vote. if i can't vote, if i want to vote. if i can't vote, if i want io-io— vote. if i can't vote, if i want io-io nono- vote. if i can't vote, if i want to-to france ,- vote. if i can't vote, if i want to -to france , says- vote. if i can't vote, if i want to to france , says gareth. to move to france, says gareth. oni— to move to france, says gareth. noi—oi— to move to france, says gareth. noi—oi ioon- to move to france, says gareth. but—of back and. but there's a bit of back and nonin— but there's a bit of back and ionin-iino- but there's a bit of back and ionin-iino i- but there's a bit of back and forth-like i said,- forth on that. like i said, ioioio—noni forth on that. like i said, debate _way that debate coming your way on that ononiin. — debate coming your way on that ononiin. oni— debate coming your way on that shortly. but earlier— debate coming your way on that shortly. but earlier today, the nono— shortly. but earlier today, the home-addressed. shortly. but earlier today, the home-addressed of home secretary addressed one of her home secretary addressed one of non—iogoi- her key concerns, legal nignoiion— her key concerns, legal migration, in- her key concerns, legal migration, in her speech at the noiionoi— migration, in her speech at the national conservatism conference . sno— national conservatism conference . sno noo— national conservatism conference . she has previously said her niiinoio— . she has previously said her ultimate aspiration is to reduce net ultimate aspiration is to reduce noi nignoiion— ultimate aspiration is to reduce net migration. in— ultimate aspiration is to reduce net migration. in fact, there gniio— net migration. in fact, there are quite strong— net migration. in fact, there are quite strong rumblings. it's oi— are quite strong rumblings. it's oi ino— are quite strong rumblings. it's one of the real— are quite strong rumblings. it's one of the real reasons really why— one of the real reasons really nnn ono— one of the real reasons really nnn ono ioii— one of the real reasons really why she left liz— one of the real reasons really why she left liz truss's ooiinoi— why she left liz truss's cabinet. but- why she left liz truss's cabinet. but the difference ioinoon— cabinet. but the difference between entering and between those entering and iooning— between those entering and inning-un— between those entering and leaving uk, that's what net leaving the uk, that's what net nignoiion— leaving the uk, that's what net nignoiion io— leaving the uk, that's what net migration is. she— leaving the uk, that's what net migration is. she it to be migration is. she wants it to be ioion— migration is. she wants it to be below 100,000 _ migration is. she wants it to be below 100,000 and this year it's nnoiioioi— below 100,000 and this year it's nnoiioioi-ii— below 100,000 and this year it's predicted-it could- below 100,000 and this year it's predicted it could reach predicted that it could reach 1 niiiion. — predicted that it could reach 1 niiiion. noono— predicted that it could reach 1 million. says that we simply million. she says that we simply do million. she says that we simply io noi— million. she says that we simply to noi nono— million. she says that we simply do not have enough houses or nonio— do not have enough houses or public services— do not have enough houses or public services for— do not have enough houses or public services for mass nignoiion. — public services for mass migration. her- public services for mass migration. her speech has been by— migration. her speech has been by oo— migration. her speech has been seen by some as— migration. her speech has been seen by some as a— migration. her speech has been seen by some as a warning shot to seen by some as a warning shot io ino— seen by some as a warning shot io ino inno— seen by some as a warning shot to the prime minister to focus more on cutting— to the prime minister to focus more on cutting legal migration, not more on cutting legal migration, noi inoi— more on cutting legal migration, noi tnoi noono— more on cutting legal migration, not just focus on— more on cutting legal migration, not just focus on those small iooio— not just focus on those small iooio ooning— not just focus on those small boats coming across the channel. niinongn— boats coming across the channel. although downing— boats coming across the channel. although downing street says her nonio— although downing street says her words were cleared _ although downing street says her words were cleared with them , words were cleared with them, nign— words were cleared with them, nign onnoi— words were cleared with them, high skilled workers support economic growth and where the ioion— economic growth and where the labour market— economic growth and where the labour market has—

economic growth and where the labour market has acute or oinnoinnoi— labour market has acute or structural shortages. as with the structural shortages. as with in nns— structural shortages. as with ino nns .— structural shortages. as with ino nns . ii— structural shortages. as with the nhs , it is of course right the nhs, it is of course right that we should have an immigration system agile enough to plug those shortages . but we to plug those shortages. but we need to get overall immigration numbers down and we mustn't forget how to do things for ourselves. there is no good nnn— ourselves. there is no good win no— ourselves. there is no good reason why we can't- there is no good reason why we can't train up onongn— reason why we can't train up onongn inoi— reason why we can't train up enough truck drivers, butchers, inni— enough truck drivers, butchers, innii nonono— enough truck drivers, butchers, fruit pickers, builders or noiiono— fruit pickers, builders or welders as— fruit pickers, builders or welders as brexit enables us to ioii— welders as brexit enables us to iniii o— welders as brexit enables us to iniii o nign— welders as brexit enables us to build a high skilled, high wage oononn— build a high skilled, high wage oononnn inoi— build a high skilled, high wage economy that is— build a high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on ion— economy that is less dependent on low skilled— economy that is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour. inoi— on low skilled foreign labour. inoi no— on low skilled foreign labour. that was our— on low skilled foreign labour. that was our 2019 manifesto nioigo— that was our 2019 manifesto nioigo .— that was our 2019 manifesto nioigo . oni— that was our 2019 manifesto pledge , and it's— that was our 2019 manifesto pledge , and it's what we must pledge, and it's what we must ioiinon— pledge, and it's what we must ioiinonion. — pledge, and it's what we must deliver for. and— pledge, and it's what we must deliver for. and it's- pledge, and it's what we must deliver for. i: deliver for. and it's not xenophobic to say that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable , all in terms of housing supply , public services or community relations. nor is it bigoted to say— relations. nor is it bigoted to oon inoi— relations. nor is it bigoted to oon inoi no— relations. nor is it bigoted to

say that we have— relations. nor is it bigoted to say that we have too- nor is it bigoted to say that we have too many asylum oooonon— say that we have too many asylum oooonon in— say that we have too many asylum seekers in this— say that we have too many asylum seekers in this country for whom we seekers in this country for whom no nono— seekers in this country for whom we have insufficient accommodation in that absorbing oni— accommodation in that absorbing more and more people means iniiiing— more and more people means iniiiing nnono— more and more people means building more and more homes ? is building more and more homes? is onoinon— building more and more homes? is onoinon ono— building more and more homes? is onoinon oi— building more and more homes? is another one of those— another one of those unfashionable facts that the onon— unfashionable facts that the open borders— unfashionable facts that the open borders brigade would say means we're starting a culture onon— means we're starting a culture okay? so— means we're starting a culture war. okay? so that was suella braverman there _ war. okay? so that was suella braverman there talking. i: i: braverman there talking. she did ooinoiin— braverman there talking. she did ooinoiin goi— braverman there talking. she did actually get interrupted by hecklers a couple of times. i'm joined now by the conservative mp mckinley. craig, thank mp craig mckinley. craig, thank you great to have you you very much. great to have you on is racist on the show. is it racist or xenophobic to not want the demographics of your local area to change irreversibly ? well to change irreversibly? well i think what the home secretary said was a statement of the obvious. quite frankly, i'm onnnniooi— obvious. quite frankly, i'm surprised there's- quite frankly, i'm surprised there's any controversy - surprised there's any controversy associated with it. we controversy associated with it. no nono— controversy associated with it. we have housing— controversy associated with it. we have housing pressures. ' y we have housing pressures. any mp we have housing pressures. any iii in— we have housing pressures. any iii in inio— we have housing pressures. any mp in this house— we have housing pressures. any mp in this house will— we have housing pressures. any mp in this house will tell you that their email inbox is full of people who have got housing difficulties trying to find accommodation . and how on earth accommodation. and how on earth can accommodation. and how on earth non— accommodation. and how on earth non nono— accommodation. and how on earth can you have half— accommodation. and how on earth can you have half a— tt: 1:1“ and how on earth can you have half a million,

700.000.— can you have half a million, 700,000, o— can you have half a million, 700,000, a million potential new nignonio— 700,000, a million potential new nignonio oonn— 700,000, a million potential new migrants each year— 700,000, a million potential new migrants each year and say that inoi— migrants each year and say that inoi io— migrants each year and say that that is somehow— migrants each year and say that that is somehow going to solve the that is somehow going to solve ino notion— that is somehow going to solve the problem that— that is somehow going to solve the problem that we have with nonoingn— the problem that we have with nonoingn ani— the problem that we have with housing? and that's true of oonooio— housing? and that's true of oonooio oi— housing? and that's true of schools of hospitals and health oni— schools of hospitals and health care and everything else. so nnoi— care and everything else. so nnoi i— care and everything else. so nnoi i inni— care and everything else. so what i think she— care and everything else. so what i think she said- care and everything else. so what i think she said is a statement of the obvious. now, how can be that we statement of the obvious. now, how canlbe that we have- now, how can be that we have 5.2 how can it be that we have 5.2 niiiion— how can it be that we have 5.2 niiiion nooono— how can it be that we have 5.2 million people on— how can it be that we have 5.2 million people on form of million people on a form of nonning—nol million people on a form of. working—we have million people on a form of- working_we have 1.1 working age benefit? we have 1.1 niiiion— working age benefit? we have 1.1 million-unfilled— working age benefit? we have 1.1 million-unfilled at- working age benefit? we have 1.1 million unfilled at the million jobs unfilled at the oni— million jobs unfilled at the oni . — million jobs unfilled at the moment . let's- million jobs unfilled at the moment . 91:4 million jobs unfilled at the moment . 91:14 million jobs unfilled at the moment . 91:4 moment. let's get those joined up together . that will probably, up together. that will probably, once we get those into work, expand the economy still further, meaning they'd probably be another 100 to 200,000 jobs created if after we've exhausted all that, we still find we've got skill shortages, then yes , got skill shortages, then yes, of course we must look abroad . of course we must look abroad. but we're nowhere near that. ani— but we're nowhere near that. and i— but we're nowhere near that. and i inni— but we're nowhere near that. and i think this— but we're nowhere near that. and i think this is— but we're nowhere near that. and i think this is an- and i think this is an unnecessary numbers that, frankly, i'm not sure as politically sustain able or desirable. well, it's not noiiiiooiin— : well, it's not politically sustainable , but i'm politically sustainable, but i'm more concerned— politically sustainable, but i'm more concerned ,— politically sustainable, but i'm more concerned , craig, about the more concerned, craig, about the oogo— more concerned, craig, about the average common man and woman who has average common man and woman who noo inoi— average common man and woman who has lived somewhere— average common man and woman who has lived somewhere all their nnoo— has lived somewhere all their

iinoo. nno— has lived somewhere all their lives, who doesn't like the nonio— lives, who doesn't like the nonii oni— lives, who doesn't like the rapid and irreversible changes inoi— rapid and irreversible changes inoi ono— rapid and irreversible changes that are being— rapid and irreversible changes that are being done to their ioooi— that are being done to their ioooi onoo— that are being done to their local area in— that are being done to their local area in the— that are being done to their local area in the name of mass nignoiion— local area in the name of mass nignoiion .— local area in the name of mass nignoiion . in— local area in the name of mass migration , in the— local area in the name of mass migration , in the name of making migration, in the name of making our migration, in the name of making oon— migration, in the name of making oon oo— migration, in the name of making not on o— migration, in the name of making our gdp as a country look nonginoiin— our gdp as a country look marginally better and i do put it marginally better and i do put ii io— marginally better and i do put ii io non— marginally better and i do put ii io non. cnoig— marginally better and i do put ii io non. cnoig .— marginally better and i do put it to you, craig , unfortunately, it to you, craig, unfortunately, inoi— it to you, craig, unfortunately, inoi ii— it to you, craig, unfortunately, inoi ii ioono— it to you, craig, unfortunately, that it looks to _ it to you, craig, unfortunately, that it looks to me like the conservative— that it looks to me like the conservative party have sold onion— conservative party have sold british culture— conservative party have sold british culture down the river for british culture down the river ion ino— british culture down the river ion ino oono— british culture down the river for the sake of— british culture down the river for the sake of trying to fudge the economic— for the sake of trying to fudge the economic numbers . well, the economic numbers. well, nono— the economic numbers. well, you're absolutely— the economic numbers. well, you're absolutely right . you you're absolutely right. you nnon— you're absolutely right. you know. o— you're absolutely right. you know. o iiggon— you're absolutely right. you know, a bigger number of people are know, a bigger number of people oonning— know, a bigger number of people are earning the— know, a bigger number of people are earning the standard salary nin— are earning the standard salary niii noon— are earning the standard salary niii o— are earning the standard salary will mean a gdp— are earning the standard salary will mean a gdp of a nation that goio— will mean a gdp of a nation that goio iiggon— will mean a gdp of a nation that goio iiggon. noi— will mean a gdp of a nation that gets bigger. but i'm afraid inono-o— gets bigger. but i'm afraid inono-o o— gets bigger. but i'm afraid there's a lot— gets bigger. but i'm afraid there's a lot more to it than inoi. — there's a lot more to it than inoi. no— there's a lot more to it than inoi. no non— there's a lot more to it than that. as you very- there's a lot more to it than that. icy there's a lot more to it than- that. as you very ably described that. as you very ably described that does mean changes to the housing, the changes to how we live. and of course , changes to live. and of course, changes to culture, as you describe . i culture, as you describe. i mean, i'm not quite so. culture, as you describe. i- mean, i'm not quite so concerned ononi— mean, i'm not quite so concerned oioni inoi. — mean, i'm not quite so concerned oioni inoi. i— mean, i'm not quite so concerned about that. i mean,— mean, i'm not quite so concerned about that. 1�* 4 about that. i mean, it's something that i think we've got to be mindful of and it's got to be little and careful and

planned for. i mean, i cannot see that anywhere in the country. i mean, a million people the size . it is bigger people is the size. it is bigger than birmingham being increased to the population every year. thatis to the population every year. that is just simply not sustainable in terms of infrastructure. i mean , we've infrastructure. i mean, we've been a welcoming country for immigration for generations. hundreds of years. but the numbers now now being seen are off the scale of what we've seen before. and have coped with very ably . but yes, if we do need ably. but yes, if we do need skills that is our choice to do so. and it's rather bizarre, isn't it, that immediately we even discuss these issues that are on the lips of many, many of my constituents, you're deemed to be sort of xenophobic, racist and nasty. it's nothing like that at all. it's about practicalities , how we can practicalities, how we can accommodate this number of people are there, the infrastructure jobs , housing, infrastructure jobs, housing, all of those real fundamentals that affect everybody on a day to day basis. and of course, i get your point about cultural

shifts over a very rapid length of time. yeah i mean, you mentioned birmingham. there , and mentioned birmingham. there, and i think birmingham— mentioned birmingham. there, and i think birmingham is— mentioned birmingham. there, and i think birmingham is a— mentioned birmingham. there, and i think birmingham is a very- i think birmingham is a very gooi— i think birmingham is a very gooi example— i think birmingham is a very gooi example .— i think birmingham is a very good example . i— i think birmingham is a very good example . i could rattle off good example. i could rattle off ninningnon.— good example. i could rattle off birmingham, bradford wakefield, iooio— birmingham, bradford wakefield, iooio oi— birmingham, bradford wakefield, loads of places— birmingham, bradford wakefield, loads of places that have mongoo— loads of places that have changed, changed demographically, irreversibly . demographically, irreversibly. anio— demographically, irreversibly. niiio cnoig— demographically, irreversibly. albie craig as— demographically, irreversibly. albie craig as a— demographically, irreversibly. albie craig as a result of mass nignoiion— albie craig as a result of mass nignoiion oni— albie craig as a result of mass migration and non eu mass nignoiion— migration and non eu mass migration for— migration and non eu mass migration for the most part of it migration for the most part of ii oo— migration for the most part of ii oo noti— migration for the most part of ii oo noii .— migration for the most part of it as well . and— migration for the most part of it as well . and i— migration for the most part of it as well . and i do strongly it as well. and i do strongly ononooi— it as well. and i do strongly ononooi inoi— it as well. and i do strongly suspect that a— it as well. and i do strongly suspect that a lot of people in inooo— suspect that a lot of people in inooo onoo— suspect that a lot of people in those areas maybe don't necessarily— those areas maybe don't necessarily think it's been for the necessarily think it's been for ino ioiion— necessarily think it's been for the better and— necessarily think it's been for the better and that is a real nnono— the better and that is a real onono ion— the better and that is a real shame for people. but what would you shame for people. but what would non oon— shame for people. but what would non oon io— shame for people. but what would non oon io noono— shame for people. but what would you say to people, craig, who inoi— you say to people, craig, who tnoi ion-i— you say to people, craig, who just don't believe— you say to people, craig, who just don't believe a word that inoi— just don't believe a word that inoi snoiio— just don't believe a word that that suella braverman has said today?— that suella braverman has said today? inon— that suella braverman has said today? they want— that suella braverman has said today? they want to believe it. t hey— today? they want to believe it. inon noni— today? they want to believe it. inon noni io — today? they want to believe it. they want to believe that the conservatives _ they want to believe that the conservatives still have an oniiiion— conservatives still have an ambition to— conservatives still have an ambition to get— conservatives still have an ambition to get net migration oonn— ambition to get net migration ionn io— ambition to get net migration ionn io-iono— ambition to get net migration down to .tens of- ambition to get net migration down to tens of thousands down to the tens of thousands oni— down to the tens of thousands oni inon— down to the tens of thousands oni inon oiiii— down to the tens of thousands and they still that the and they still believe that the conservatives _ conservatives want to do oonoining— conservatives want to do something the something about reducing the ononi— something about reducing the onnoni oi— something about reducing the amount of people coming into inio— amount of people coming into inio oonnin— amount of people coming into this country and— amount of people coming into this country and they to this country and they want to do oonoining— this country and they want to doi something—enough something about building enough nonooo— something about building enough nonooo oni— something about building enough houses and building enough nooniioio— houses and building enough hospitals building hospitals and building enough onoon.— hospitals and building enough schools—seen. schools. but they have seen oiooinioin— schools. but they have seen absolutely—it schools. but they have seeni

absolutely—it . absolutely no evidence of it. no.— absolutely no evidence of it. no. nono— absolutely no evidence of it. no, you're absolutely right, noinion. — no, you're absolutely right, patrick. we— no, you're absolutely right, patrick. we have- no, you're absolutely right, patrick. ash; 1�* no, you're absolutely right,- patrick. we have not, in my view , managed this as well as we could do. i have said to the secretary of state at dwp, mel stride , for some time, you, my stride, for some time, you, my friend , have got the biggest job friend, have got the biggest job in government to actually match the jobs with people who are currently on unemployment benefits. and there were figures out last week that we're now spending 1.9 billion a week. so that's approaching £100 billion a year on financing out of work benefits . surely common sense benefits. surely common sense would dictate it match those who are incapable of working with the jobs that are available. first and foremost, rather than , i'm afraid what we've heard too much out of some whitehall departments is we've got a problem. we've got shortage of skills just import. now there's more to it than that as well. it is in our hands to actually reduce the potential numbers because we haven't been increasing the threshold increasing the salary threshold by which people have to meet before they can take a job if they're a foreign citizen. that

has been stuck for some time, that could be increased because the fact of the matter is 60% of all uk jobs are potentially available to the world and that to me doesn't seem to be fully in spirit of control of our borders. yeah. no, look, 100. i ion-i— borders. yeah. no, look, 100. i ion-i ininn— borders. yeah. no, look, 100. i don't think it's— borders. yeah. no, look, 100. i don't think it's about- : yeah. no, look, 100. i don't think it's about your stereotypically_ don't think it's about your stereotypically lazy brits who are stereotypically lazy brits who nonn— stereotypically lazy brits who nonn onn— stereotypically lazy brits who are work shy and don't want to do are work shy and don't want to to nonioi— are work shy and don't want to do menial tasks.— are work shy and don't want to do menial tasks. i— are work shy and don't want to do menial tasks. i do think inono-o— do menial tasks. i do think inono-o o— do menial tasks. i do think there's a lot— do menial tasks. i do think there's a lot about them being nniononi— there's a lot about them being nniononi by— there's a lot about them being undercut by cheap foreign labour and undercut by cheap foreign labour oni onnionono— undercut by cheap foreign labour and employers who running and employers who are running a nnonono.— and employers who are running a inoinooo. io— and employers who are running a business. to.fair,_ and employers who are running a business. to.fair, on- and employers who are running a business. to fair, on them. business. to be fair, on them. noniooiin— business. to be fair, on them. noniooiin-ion- business. to be fair, on them. perfectly-lap that. business. to be fair, on them. perfectly lap that up perfectly willing to lap that up and-government- perfectly willing to lap that up and government not really and the government not really ioing—inoil and the government not really doinfinal_justi and the government not really doinfinal one just and the government not really doinfinal one to just and the government not really doinfinal one to you, just and the government not really doinfinal one to you, craig.t one final one to you, craig. i was-concerned- one final one to you, craig. i was concerned today by what was very concerned today by what nigoi— was very concerned today by what nigel huddleston_ was very concerned today by what nigel huddleston said. so he is, of course,-trade_ nigel huddleston said. so he is, of course, trade minister of course, the trade minister oni— of course, the trade minister oni no— of course, the trade minister oni no in— of course, the trade minister and he hit back— of course, the trade minister and he hit back at suella braverman.— and he hit back at suella braverman. i'm- and he hit back at suella braverman. i'm just going. he oono— braverman. i'm just going. he oono inoi— braverman. i'm just going. he oono inoi ino — braverman. i'm just going. he says that the far— braverman. i'm just going. he says that the far from being unsustainable— says that the far from being unsustainable ,— says that the far from being unsustainable , the current unsustainable, the current nignoiion— unsustainable, the current migration levels, they're often a migration levels, they're often o gooi— migration levels, they're often o gooi-onon— migration levels, they're often a good okay, now , i had a a good thing. okay, now, i had a iiiiio— a good thing. okay, now, i had a iiiiio ioon— a good thing. okay, now, i had a little look about— a good thing. okay, now, i had a little look about him. i believe his constituent— little look about him. i believe his constituent is— little look about him. i believe his constituent is mid worcestershire, which has a noooinoin— worcestershire, which has a massively above average finance

. sooioi— massively above average finance . social situation— massively above average finance . social situation for the noono— . social situation for the noonio ining— . social situation for the people living there, i.e. inon-no— people living there, i.e. they're much- people living there, i.e. they're much wealthier than most people— they're much wealthier than most noonio ono— they're much wealthier than most noonio iongoin— they're much wealthier than most people are largely untouched by a people are largely untouched by o ioi— people are largely untouched by o ioi oi— people are largely untouched by o ioi oi ino— people are largely untouched by a lot of the impacts of mass nignoiion— a lot of the impacts of mass nignoiion .— a lot of the impacts of mass migration . and— a lot of the impacts of mass migration . and craig, do some migration. and craig, do some conoonnoiino— migration. and craig, do some conservative minister does need to conservative minister does need io goi— conservative minister does need io goi oni— conservative minister does need io goi oni nnono— conservative minister does need io goi oni .— conservative minister does need to get out more , get into the to get out more, get into the nooi— to get out more, get into the nooi nonio— to get out more, get into the real world and— to get out more, get into the real world and see how the innooi— real world and see how the innooi oi— real world and see how the impact of mass— real world and see how the impact of mass migration is noning— impact of mass migration is noning on— impact of mass migration is noning on non— impact of mass migration is having on your ordinary common oni— having on your ordinary common man and woman out there on the oinooi. — man and woman out there on the oinooi. nooono— man and woman out there on the street. because i— man and woman out there on the street. because i don't think inon— street. because i don't think inon goi— street. because i don't think inon goi ii— street. because i don't think inon goi ii . — street. because i don't think they get it . well,- street. because i don't think they get it . �*fii�*i1:44 95 19 they get it. well, i'm not going to criticise a minister of my government, but yeah, of course my constituency is a gritty. you know, we've got red wall, blue wall. i call mine sea wall where there are lower wages and we have seen a productivity decline in the uk because i think too many employers have reached for that cheaper foreign workers to fill roles rather than training internally, you know, automate teaching, investing, which is what they should have been doing for some time so we can close that productivity gap. i mean, i've spoken to farmers in my patch and we've sort of

exhausted citizens. lot patch and we've sort of ex themed citizens. lot patch and we've sort of ex them have citizens. lot patch and we've sort of ex them have gone itizens. lot patch and we've sort of ex them have gone home. lot patch and we've sort of ex them have gone home because of them have gone home because wages are now better in poland and and elsewhere. and hungary and elsewhere. ukraine has been a source that has own difficulties. but of has its own difficulties. but of course ukrainians here could has its own difficulties. but of coursewe'reinians here could has its own difficulties. but of coursewe're nows here could has its own difficulties. but of coursewe're now going could has its own difficulties. but of coursewe're now going outld has its own difficulties. but of coursewe're now going out to work. we're now going out to places as flung as places as far flung as azerbaijan to get workers here that isn't sustainable because we're going to run out of world before i think we should before long. i think we should before long. i think we should be at who be getting people at home who could into work . okay, could work into work. okay, craig, you very could work into work. okay, craig,-you very much.| craig, thank you very much. nnonooioio— craig, thank you very much. appreciate that. _ craig, thank you very much. appreciate that. it's craig noninion—ol mckinley there, who's a conservative _ mckinley there, who's a conservative mp. right. i i'm inoi— conservative mp. right. i i'm inoi i— conservative mp. right. i i'm tnoi i on— conservative mp. right. i i'm just i am amazed at how little not just i am amazed at how little noi nnon— just i am amazed at how little noi inon cnoig— just i am amazed at how little not from craig necessarily how iiiiio— not from craig necessarily how little bottle— not from craig necessarily how little bottle there _ not from craig necessarily how little bottle there appears to be little bottle there appears to no inon — little bottle there appears to no inon o— little bottle there appears to be from a lot— little bottle there appears to be from a lot of— little bottle there appears to be from a lot of mps to come out oni— be from a lot of mps to come out oni oon— be from a lot of mps to come out oni oon nnoi— be from a lot of mps to come out oni oon nnoi o— be from a lot of mps to come out and say what a lot— be from a lot of mps to come out and say what a lot of people onoono— and say what a lot of people ononi ino— and say what a lot of people around the country and certainly as around the country and certainly on oniionooi— around the country and certainly as evidenced in— around the country and certainly as evidenced in inbox and as evidenced in my inbox and inoi— as evidenced in my inbox and nnoi—oni- as evidenced in my inbox and. inoi—oni onooning just from going out and speaking to just from going out and speaking io—noi— just from going out and speaking io—noi ioo— just from going out and speaking to_not too afraid- just from going out and speaking to_not too afraid to. to people are not too afraid to say— to people are not too afraid to oon nnion— to people are not too afraid to oon nnion io— to people are not too afraid to say which is with— to people are not too afraid to say which is with respect, i ion-i— say which is with respect, i ion-i noni— say which is with respect, i don't want the _ say which is with respect, i don't want the area that i live to don't want the area that i live io nongo— don't want the area that i live to change, change irreversibly oni— to change, change irreversibly oni ioon— to change, change irreversibly and look and— to change, change irreversibly and look and feel completely iiiiononi— and look and feel completely different to— and look and feel completely different to how— and look and feel completely different to how it did when i now— different to how it did when i gnon on.— different to how it did when i gnon on. nno— different to how it did when i grew up. and where i am now and so grew up. and where i am now and no ion— grew up. and where i am now and no ion noono— grew up. and where i am now and no ion noonio ono— grew up. and where i am now and so few people are brave enough to so few people are brave enough io oo— so few people are brave enough io oni— so few people are brave enough to come out and— so few people are brave enough to come out and say that , to come out and say that, oonooioiin— to come out and say that, especially on— to come out and say that, especially on national television— especially on national television think

television and frankly, i think inoi-o— television and frankly, i think inoi-o nnn— television and frankly, i think inoi-o win on— television and frankly, i think that's why all of— television and frankly, i think that's why all of this mess is nonnoning. — that's why all of this mess is nonnoning. noi— that's why all of this mess is happening. but there we go onnnon. — happening. but there we go onnnon. -snnon- happening. but there we go anyway. sunak held talks anyway. rishi sunak held talks niin— anyway. rishi sunak held talks with _zelenskyy - anyway. rishi sunak held talks with zelenskyy today. with volodymyr zelenskyy today. but with volodymyr zelenskyy today. noi-non— with volodymyr zelenskyy today. but . how - longer- with volodymyr zelenskyy today. but how longer can we but for how much longer can we noon— but for how much longer can we noon-inio— but for how much longer can we noon-inio non— but for how much longer can we keep-this war? is- keep funding this war? is it iino— keep funding this war? is it iinolnnon— keep funding this war? is it time push peace or do we time to push for peace or do we nooi— time to push for peace or do we nooilioniio— time to push for peace or do we need i double down - time to push for peace or do we need double down and push need to double down and push ioiin— need to double down and push ioiin-non— need to double down and push putin _way back- need to double down and push putin _way back at- need to double down and push putin way back at great putin all the way back at great nooi?— putin all the way back at great oooin nini— putin all the way back at great cost? mind you,— putin all the way back at great cost? mind you, i'm patrick cnnioino— cost? mind you, i'm patrick cnnioinolon— cost? mind you, i'm patrick christys gb news britain's christys on gb news britain's

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. nonono— listening to gb news radio. welcome back. _ listening to gb news radio. welcome back. now- listening to gb news radio. welcome back. now britain's commitment to supporting ukraine in their war with russia is as strong as ever. rishi sunak sunak met vladimir zelenskyy at chequers earlier today. the pm said we will train ukrainian pilots to use different kinds of aircraft. we have already provided £2.3 billion worth of military support. provided £2.3 billion worth of military support . we're going to military support. we're going to supply that again . it's second supply that again. it's second only to the united states, but i am asking how much longer can we keep funding ukraine and whether or not we should? joining me now is gb news presenter calvin robinson and the former conservative minister, brooks newmark, who has actually helped

to evacuate thousands of refugees from ukraine. calvin, i'll start with you. should we continue you to fund the ukrainian war effort ? so my ukrainian war effort? so my problem isn't necessarily with the funding . i think we should the funding. i think we should nonnon— the funding. 1 think we should oonnoni on— the funding. i think we should support our allies. _ 1i: 19 i think we should support our allies. absolutely my support our allies. absolutely nn onoinon— support our allies. absolutely nn problem io— support our allies. absolutely my problem is that everyone is iooning— my problem is that everyone is iooning oi— my problem is that everyone is looking at this— my problem is that everyone is looking at this as— my problem is that everyone is looking at this as a winning versus a situation . and versus a losing situation. and in— versus a losing situation. and i-n—ooning- versus a losing situation. and i-n—ooning inoi i'm saying, who's asking the gnooiion— i'm saying, who's asking the question about— i'm saying, who's asking the question about raising peace nnon— question about raising peace nnon ino— question about raising peace nnon ino onin— question about raising peace when the only person, the only nonio— when the only person, the only world leader— when the only person, the only world leader i've— when the only person, the only world leader i've seen far is world leader i've seen so far is nnooiioni— world leader i've seen so far is president donald— world leader i've seen so far is president donald trump, who when cnn president donald trump, who when cnn inoi— president donald trump, who when cnn inioi io— president donald trump, who when cnn tried to back— president donald trump, who when cnn tried to back him into a an,— cnn tried to back him into a corner, said, will— cnn tried to back him into a corner, said, will you back the onoino— corner, said, will you back the unnoino on— corner, said, will you back the ukraine or will— corner, said, will you back the ukraine or will you back russia? non— ukraine or will you back russia? no-s-iooning— ukraine or will you back russia? he's-backing the- he's actually backing the people. that are he's actually backing the peopltand that are he's actually backing the peopltand world that are he's actually backing the peopltand world leaders�*iat are dying and world leaders all around are pushing for around the west are pushing for more and more war. it's perpetual and i'm asking the question we question not how long can we keep but far keep funding this, but how far will what we're will this escalate? what we're doing here is we're fighting against a nuclear so against a nuclear power. so where is the aim for peace ? where is the aim for peace? brooks i'll throw it over to non.— brooks i'll throw it over to non. nnoono— brooks i'll throw it over to you. brooks dumas, i know that you— you. brooks dumas, i know that non nonioi— you. brooks dumas, i know that non noinoi io— you. brooks dumas, i know that you helped to evacuate people. i spoke— you helped to evacuate people. i onono io— you helped to evacuate people. i onono io non— you helped to evacuate people. i onono io non oi— you helped to evacuate people. i spoke to you at the— you helped to evacuate people. i spoke to you at the time, ooinoiin. — spoke to you at the time, actually. this— spoke to you at the time, actually. this is an issue very, nonn— actually. this is an issue very, nonn oono— actually. this is an issue very, nonn oiooo io— actually. this is an issue very, very close to your— actually. this is an issue very, very close to your heart. i mean, calvin— very close to your heart. i mean, calvin has got a point, noon-i—

mean, calvin has got a point, noon-i-iongon- mean, calvin has got a point,| hasn't-longer-we mean, calvin has got a point,- hasn't-longer-we do hasn't he? the longer that we do noon—ono- keep funding this, we are nnoionging— keep funding this, we are- nnoionging—iooo prolonging something. it does noon—nio- prolonging something. it does noon—iiio. ii| mean massive loss of life. it ioon— mean massive loss of life. it iooonnoooino-- mean massive loss of life. it- does-massive expenditure does mean a massive expenditure of does mean a massive expenditure oi—nnnoo— does mean a massive expenditure oi—nnnoo-oi- of the public purse when at iinoo—noi of the public purse when at. times,_we could times, frankly, when we could nnoioiin—ol times, frankly, when we could. nnoioiin—o ion probably do with building a few more hospitals.— probably do with building a few more hospitals. your views. non.— more hospitals. your views. non-nnoon- more hospitals. your views. well,-mean, there's. more hospitals. your views. i well,-mean, there's only well, look, i mean, there's only going peace when putin going to be peace when putin leaves ukraine. you can't have the sort of peace that maybe calvin would like , which was to calvin would like, which was to sort of give a little bit of donbas and to give crimea a way to russia to reward them for their belligerence in order to have peace. you need two parties who want peace and at the moment , neither party wants peace because as they each have a different view as to what peace is , i stick by the budapest is, i stick by the budapest agreement in 1993, in which we, the uk, the us and even russia guarantee we guaranteed ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, which included crimea. if they gave up their nuclear weapons. we have an obligation to stand by that

agreement. okay, an obligation to stand by that agreement . okay, calvin, i'll agreement. okay, calvin, i'll ining— agreement. okay, calvin, i'll ining inoi— agreement. okay, calvin, i'll bring that back— agreement. okay, calvin, i'll bring that back over- n319n1:;i1:;1:�*i1:;1�*4 okay, calvin, i'll bring that back over to you. i inono— bring that back over to you. i mean, there isn't— bring that back over to you. i mean, there isn't really going to mean, there isn't really going io io— mean, there isn't really going io io nooo— mean, there isn't really going io io nooo oo— mean, there isn't really going to be peace, as brooks said, nniii— to be peace, as brooks said, nniii ioii— to be peace, as brooks said, until both sides— to be peace, as brooks said, until both sides agree on it. nono— until both sides agree on it. no-no noi— until both sides agree on it. we're not going— until both sides agree on it. we're not going to an we're not going to get an ognoononi— we're not going to get an agreement ever. really? it would -i-n— agreement ever. really? it would seem i'm assuming, means seem so this i'm assuming, means it's seem so this i'm assuming, means its going— seem so this i'm assuming, means its going io— seem so this i'm assuming, means its going io nn— seem so this i'm assuming, means its going io on— it's going to run on indefinitely. what you make it's going to run on inithat? ely. what you make it's going to run on inithat? ely. vitthat you make it's going to run on inithat? ely. vitthat would make it's going to run on inithat? ely. vitthat would beike it's going to run on— inithat? ely. vitthat would be our of that? well, that would be our nooiiion— of that? well, that would be our position, wouldn't— of that? well, that would be our position, wouldn't it? as the nnoinoi— position, wouldn't it? as the mutual third— position, wouldn't it? as the mutual third party, position mutual third party, our position would both parties would be to bring both parties into a range of peace, to negotiate in a peace. negotiate a peace in a peace. there always compromise. there is always compromise. noiinon— there is always compromise. neither-should- there is always compromise. neither should happy. neither side should be happy. ino— neither side should be happy. in ioon— neither side should be happy. the idea-there— neither side should be happy. the idea-there can- neither side should be happy. the idea .there can only. neither side should be happy. the idea that there can only be one solution and that solution is russia being defeated. it terrifies because russia is russia being defeated. it. terrifies-because russia is, terrifies me because russia is, nno— terrifies me because russia is, iino-nnoioon- terrifies me because russia is, like nuclear power. like i say, a nuclear power. nno— like i say, a nuclear power. and inoi— like i say, a nuclear power. and that means— like i say, a nuclear power. and that means that- like i say, a nuclear power. and that means that that's and that means that if that's the then we're the only option, then we're looking world are looking at a world war. we are looking at a world war. we are looking want to see looking at if we want to see russia collapse, we need to see all of the west all of the nations of the west combined. expect combined. we cannot expect little defeat russia combined. we cannot expect littits defeat russia combined. we cannot expect littits own. defeat russia combined. we cannot expect littits own. the :eat russia combined. we cannot expect littits own. the biggest;ia on its own. but the biggest problem seeing here is just problem i'm seeing here is just raising that conversation, raising that conversation, raising point people raising that point has people going apologist a ha. going ha, putin apologist a ha. you it's like we have lost you know, it's like we have lost all nuance. i've been all sense of nuance. i've been campaigning against putin and against for years. do against russia for years. i do not see them as a friendly state. i see them as a hostile

state. i see them as a hostile state. however, do state. however however, i do think be thinking think we need to be thinking critically about what's going on. i wonder, whether or on. i wonder, brooks, whether or not on. i wonder, brooks, whether or noi-nnognooooo- on. i wonder, brooks, whether or not-progresses and- 1:1“ i wonder, brooks, whether or not progresses and we not as time progresses and we nooi— not as time progresses and we iooi nonnono— not as time progresses and we fast forward couple of years fast forward a couple of years iino— fast forward a couple of years timelassuming_ fast forward a couple of years time assuming we're still in a time, assuming we're still in a oiniion— time, assuming we're still in a oiniion ion— time, assuming we're still in a similar ish situation we similar ish situation to what we are similar ish situation to what we ioion.— similar ish situation to what we ioion-nono- similar ish situation to what we are today, hope we're not, are today, and i hope we're not, ini— are today, and i hope we're not, ioi ioi-o— are today, and i hope we're not, ioi ioi-o inoi— are today, and i hope we're not, but let's just assume we are nigni. — but let's just assume we are right—british. right. whether the british taxpayern_ taxpayer, then if we start oooing— taxpayer, then if we start seeing crashing the housing nonioi.— market, our economy isn't noniionionin— market, our economy isn't particularly way particularly growing in the way inoi— particularly growing in the way noi-nonio— particularly growing in the way that-would like.— particularly growing in the way that would like. people are that we would like. people are oiiii— still struggling to pay their onongn— still struggling to pay their onongn-no-no- still struggling to pay their energy we've got domestic energy bills. we've got domestic onon— energy bills. we've got domestic crises. okay and— energy bills. we've got domestic crises. okay and then rishi sinon— crises. okay and then rishi sonon ii— crises. okay and then rishi sunak, if he's— crises. okay and then rishi sunak, if he's still in power, you— sunak, if he's still in power, non nnon— sunak, if he's still in power, non nnon. nno.— sunak, if he's still in power, you know, hugs, volodymyr zoiononnn— you know, hugs, volodymyr zelenskyy again on the lawn onioiio— zelenskyy again on the lawn outside chequers and says, here you 90,— outside chequers and says, here non go. noi.— outside chequers and says, here you go, vlad. here's . another you go, vlad. here's. another ozo— you go, vlad. here's. another an onion.— you go, vlad. here's. another £23 billion. how— you go, vlad. here's. another £2.3 billion. how long can the onion— £2.3 billion. how long can the british public's_ £2.3 billion. how long can the british public's patience last, do british public's patience last, to non— british public's patience last, to non ginkg— british public's patience last, do you think? brooks well, it iononio— do you think? brooks well, it iononio non— do you think? brooks well, it depends how secure we want to no. — depends how secure we want to to. non— depends how secure we want to to. you now.— depends how secure we want to be. you know, if— depends how secure we want to be. you know, if we- depends how secure we want to be. a:4. �*7 depends how secure we want to be. a1::n4. �*7 be. you know, if we want to be subject to nuclear blackmail, which is, again, what calvin, in essence is saying, what we say to putin in his peace agreement is that, you know, we will reward you and we will effectively sublimate ourselves

in order to not be subject to nuclear blackmail. if he is rewarded in any way, which means giving him a piece of donbas, giving him a piece of donbas, giving him a piece of donbas, giving him crimea, he'll just regroup , come back again in 2 giving him crimea, he'll just regroup, come back again in 2 or 3 years time to take even more, maybe take moldova, maybe take georgia at some point in time. we need to draw a line in the same way the ukrainians have drawn a line with bakhmut . drawn a line with bakhmut. ukrainians said we could either draw a line in bakhmut in sloviansk or kyiv. we're drawing a line here. we have to do the same with putin. and the only way wars are won are with asymmetric wars . you're right. asymmetric wars. you're right. if the war is wars of equal, this will go on forever. if the war is wars of equal, this will go on forever . giving this will go on forever. giving the ukrainians the hardware they need to prosecute this war and to drive ukraine out of you drive the russians out of ukraine is what we need to do. just quickly then, kelvin, is it do just quickly then, kelvin, is it to non— just quickly then, kelvin, is it to non inin— just quickly then, kelvin, is it do you think, really a question for do you think, really a question ion ino— do you think, really a question for the ukrainians, even though it's for the ukrainians, even though its nooionn— for the ukrainians, even though it's western economies that are nooiin— it's western economies that are really bankrolled_ really bankrolled in this? nigni. — really bankrolled in this? nigni. oo— really bankrolled in this? nigni. no non— really bankrolled in this? right. do you _this. really bankrolled in this? right. do you _this isj right. do you think this is a question for the people of ukraine peace,

ukraine until they want peace, we just have to keep funding them, calvin, because, i mean, they've dying, they've they're dying, aren't they? they're paying in blood, as said , i would love to as boris said, i would love to hear from the people of the ukraine, because i'm ukraine, actually, because i'm sick of hearing from western leaders no in the leaders who have no input in the ukraine. i'd love to hear from ino—noonio- the citizens, the people that ono—gnonnil the citizens, the people that. are—ground and are actually on the ground and inoin— are actually on the ground and ioin ino— are actually on the ground and both the russian— are actually on the ground and both the russian citizens too, iooonoo— both the russian citizens too, iooonoo ii-o— both the russian citizens too, because it's the— both the russian citizens too, because it's the people on the gnonni—oo- because it's the people on the gnonni—oo iil ground that are dying as it oinono— ground that are dying as it oinonolin— ground that are dying as it oinonolin onn- ground that are dying as it always in any when always is in any war, when noiiiioiono— always is in any war, when- politicians—game always is in any war, when- poli'actually_game always is in any war, when poli'actually the game always is in any war, when poli'actually the money game always is in any war, when poli'actually the money gnpart and actually the money is part of and actually the money is part oi-nnoiion— and actually the money is part oi-nnoiion-nool of the problem because, yes, inono— of the problem because, yes, inonolo— of the problem because, yes, inonolo ioi— of the problem because, yes, there i a lot of _ of the problem because, yes, there a lot of money going there is a lot of money going inio— there is a lot of money going into ukraine— there is a lot of money going into ukraine and— there is a lot of money going into ukraine and i'm quite into ukraine and i'm not quite oniinoin—oi- into ukraine and i'm not quite entirely—of thati entirely convinced all of that is entirely convinced all of that io-io— entirely convinced all of that io-io ino— entirely convinced all of that is-to the .effort,. is going to the war effort, nnion— is going to the war effort, which-because- is going to the war effort, which because the ukraine has is going to the war effort, whicioneiecause the ukraine has is going to the war effort, whicioneiecthet the ukraine has is going to the war effort, whicioneiecthe mosthraine has is going to the war effort, whicioneiec the most corrupt has been one of the most corrupt noiiono— been one of the most corrupt noiiono-ion— been one of the most corrupt nations-for world- been one of the most corrupt nations for world the been one of the most corrupt natio 20 for world the been one of the most corrupt natio20 years. for world the been one of the most corrupt natio20 years. okayirld the been one of the most corrupt natio20 years. okay look, ie past 20 years. okay look, gunnin— past 20 years. okay look, quickly, quickly. ”05149 quickly, quickly. i've really got quickly, quickly. i've really goi—nno- quickly, quickly. i've really got i've been in got to disagree. i've been in ukraine for most of past ukraine now for most of the past yeah ukraine now for most of the past year. hundreds of year. i've driven hundreds of thousands of kilometres. i've been to pretty . i probably know been to pretty. i probably know ukraine better than most ukrainians this stage . i've ukrainians at this stage. i've talked ukrainians in villages talked to ukrainians in villages and towns and cities and it is unanimous, unanimous. and towns and cities and it is unanimous, unanimous . when i say unanimous, unanimous. when i say unanimous, unanimous. when i say unanimous, i mean close to 90% of people, you know, want to keep this war going. and they say anecdotes, do you stop

backing us with with weapons? will you sticks and stones to defend ourselves ? because it's defend ourselves? because it's an existential crisis for the ukrainians. in a way, it's not for the russians. all right. look, both of you, i respect you being on the ground, but anecdotes unanimous. anecdotes always are unanimous. so worthless. anecdotes so it's worthless. anecdotes over over 12 or 14 months is not just anecdotes . okay? over over 12 or 14 months is not just anecdotes. okay? i'm over over 12 or 14 months is not just anecdotes . okay? i'm now just anecdotes. okay? i'm now i'm drawing a line in the sand. now i'm now i'm drawing a line in the sand. we obviously could have gone on to talk about this for a lot longer. i do really appreciate it i value both appreciate it and i value both of views on that was of your views on that. that was gb presenter kelvin gb news presenter kelvin robinson and the former conservative robinson and the former conservatii he robinson and the former conservatiihe has, of course, newmark. he has, of course, been over in ukraine, as he was over there in ukraine, as he was mentioning, helping to evacuate citizens. loads more to come between and 6:00. between now and 6:00. keir starmer sense starmer says it's common sense to eu nationals to give the vote to eu nationals who worked in the uk for who have worked in the uk for years. but is he trying to rig elections? will discuss years. but is he trying to rig ele

headlines with polly. patrick. thank you. the top story this nonn— thank you. the top story this noon. ino— thank you. the top story this hour, the home— the top story this hour, the home secretary has ioionioi— hour, the home secretary has defended the— hour, the home secretary has defended the government's plan to defended the government's plan io oni— defended the government's plan io ooi noi— defended the government's plan to cut net migration , saying to cut net migration, saying no— to cut net migration, saying its noi— to cut net migration, saying it's not racist— to cut net migration, saying it's not racist to _ to cut net migration, saying it's not racist to want to ooninoi— it's not racist to want to control our— it's not racist to want to control our borders . in control our borders. in a onooon— control our borders. in a speech, suella- control our borders. in a speech, suella braverman argued that speech, suella braverman argued inoi nooo— speech, suella braverman argued inoi oni— speech, suella braverman argued that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable— that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable and— that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable and would be a nnoon— unsustainable and would be a innion on— unsustainable and would be a burden on housing and public ooniooo— burden on housing and public services. and— burden on housing and public services. and she— burden on housing and public services. and she says the uk ononi— services. and she says the uk ononii io— services. and she says the uk should be focussed on creating nignin— should be focussed on creating nignin onnoi— should be focussed on creating highly skilled workers . highly skilled workers. the ioion— highly skilled workers. the labour market— highly skilled workers. the labour market has- highly skilled workers. the labour market has acute or structural shortages . as with structural shortages. as with the nhs, it is of course right that we should have an immigration system agile enough to plug those shortages. but we need to get overall— 344.9 9 but we need to get overall immigration nononon— need to get overall immigration nnnnonoi oonn— need to get overall immigration numbers down there is no good nnn— numbers down there is no good win no— numbers down there is no good reason why we can't train up onongn— reason why we can't train up onongn inon— reason why we can't train up enough truck drivers. butchers inni— enough truck drivers. butchers innii nonono— enough truck drivers. butchers fruit pickers, builders or noiiono. — fruit pickers, builders or welders. brexit- fruit pickers, builders or welders. mix 4 its“? 4.: fruit pickers, builders or- welders. brexit enables us to build a high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent

on low skilled foreign labour. well, in other news, the uk will train ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter jets, but it has no plans to provide them with planes at a meeting at chequers today, the prime minister told president zelenskyy of ukraine that providing war planes just wasn't straightforward . but wasn't straightforward. but rishi sunak said he- rishi sunak said he promised inoi— rishi sunak said he promised inoi nonnon— rishi sunak said he promised that further air— rishi sunak said he promised that further air defence niooiioo— that further air defence missiles and- that further air defence missiles and drones could be nooo— missiles and drones could be made available— missiles and drones could be made available on condition they onin— made available on condition they onin nooi— made available on condition they were only used in— made available on condition they were only used in ukraine. ow: were only used in ukraine. one ining— were only used in ukraine. one ining no— were only used in ukraine. one ining no nin— were only used in ukraine. one thing we will be— were only used in ukraine. one thing we will be doing starting actually relatively soon is training of ukrainian pilots and that's something that we've discussed today and we're ready to implement those plans in relatively short order , which relatively short order, which will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become absolutely combat ready aircraft , pilots and royal mail could be fined after failing to meet its delivery targets in the last year. ofcom says the company ioii—

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the finance report on gb news investments that matter . for investments that matter. for noon.— investments that matter. for noon. ioi-s— investments that matter. for noon. ioi-s goi— investments that matter. for yeah, let's get stuck- investments that matter. for yeah, let's get stuck back into one of the big stories for us today. labour leader sir keir sionnon— today. labour leader sir keir starmer thinks— today. labour leader sir keir starmer thinks it's- : labour leader sir keir starmer thinks it's common sense to starmer thinks it's common sense io onon— starmer thinks it's common sense io oiion iii— starmer thinks it's common sense to allow eu nationals who have nonioi— to allow eu nationals who have nonioi in— to allow eu nationals who have nonioi in ino— to allow eu nationals who have worked in the uk— to allow eu nationals who have worked in the uk for years to noio— worked in the uk for years to noiolo— worked in the uk for years to vote.a_election.. worked in the uk for years to. vote i a _election. this vote in a general election. this is, vote in a general election. this is oi— vote in a general election. this is oi oonno— vote in a general election. this is oi io— vote in a general election. this is, of course is without them noning— is, of course is without them noning o— is, of course is without them having a british— is, of course is without them having a british passport. sionnon— having a british passport. starmer says— having a british passport. starmer says that it feels wrong inoi— that people have contributed to oniioin-o— that people have contributed to britain's—raised. britain's economy and raised inoin—ino- britain's economy and raised their the country, their children in the country, onnoi— their children in the country, onnoi-.— their children in the country, oonnoi- ani— their children in the country, cannot-. and it- their children in the country, cannot . and it comes as the cannot vote. and it comes as the ioion— cannot vote. and it comes as the ioion-noo— cannot vote. and it comes as the labour has confirmed it's labour party has confirmed it's iooning— labour party has confirmed it's iooning-iu- labour party has confirmed it's looking eu citizens looking at giving eu citizens the looking at giving eu citizens ino-io— looking at giving eu citizens ino-io noio— looking at giving eu citizens the-to vote in- looking at giving eu citizens the to vote in future the right to vote in future oiooiiono. — the right to vote in future elections. they're also elections. fyi, they're also iooning— elections. fyi, they're also looking-giving- elections. fyi, they're also looking giving 16 year olds looking at giving 16 year olds the looking at giving 16 year olds ino-io— looking at giving 16 year olds the-to discuss- looking at giving 16 year olds the to discuss this. i'm the vote. to discuss this. i'm now former labour now joined by former labour onooioi— now joined by former labour special-paul- now joined by former labour special paul richards special adviser paul richards oni— special adviser paul richards and political— special adviser paul richards and political commentator sonn— and political commentator suzanne _of l and political commentator. suzanne—of you, suzanne evans. both of you, inonn— suzanne evans. both of you, inonn non— suzanne evans. both of you, thank you-much.- suzanne evans. both of you,- thank you-much.-always thank you very much. it's always ioiioo— thank you very much. it's always ladies-suzanne— thank you very much. it's always ladies-suzanne i'll- thank you very much. it's always ladies suzanne i'll start ladies first. suzanne i'll start niin— ladies first. suzanne i'll start nnn-nnono— ladies first. suzanne i'll start with what's going here? with you. what's going on here? nnon—noin- with you. what's going on here? when—keir starmeri when it comes to keir starmer noniing— when it comes to keir starmer noniing-iu— when it comes to keir starmer wanting eu nationals wanting to give eu nationals the nigni— wanting to give eu nationals the nigni-gononoi- right to vote in general elections,— right to vote in general elections, is— right to vote in general elections, is being fair and elections, is he being fair and noooonoiion— elections, is he being fair and. reasonable?_well reasonable? do you think? well i ion-i— reasonable? do you think? well i ion-i ininn— reasonable? do you think? well i ion-i ininn oo— reasonable? do you think? well i don't think so, and— reasonable? do you think? well i don't think so, and i don't ininn— don't think so, and i don't ininn ii— don't think so, and i don't ininn ii io— don't think so, and i don't think it is common sense, iooonoo— think it is common sense, iooonoo nn— think it is common sense, because my understanding is that noo— because my understanding is that no oinooin— because my understanding is that he's already rowing back on his nooiiion. — he's already rowing back on his nooiiion. no— he's already rowing back on his

position. he said— he's already rowing back on his position. he said this- he's already rowing back on his position. i: 19 position. he said this morning he wanted citizens were he wanted eu citizens who were resident have the vote resident here to have the vote and saying, they've and now he's saying, oh, they've got for years and got to be here for years and years. so i he'sjust years. so i think he's just floundering— so i think he's just floundering around bit years. so i think he's just- floundering around-bit of floundering around like a bit of a a floundering around like a bit of o-o oton— floundering around like a bit of a-a slab, really,- a fish on a slab, really, iooonoo— a fish on a slab, really, because obviously a fish on a slab, really, because-obviously a because he's obviously faced a lot because he's obviously faced a ioi—ion— because he's obviously faced a ioi—ion inio. - because he's obviously faced a ioi—ioninio. - because he's obviously faced a lot—for this. and. because he's obviously faced a lot—for this. and i lot of criticism for this. and i inni— lot of criticism for this. and i ininn onio— lot of criticism for this. and i think quite rightly, it seems to me that the labour party is simply gerrymander simply trying to gerrymander the voting franchise which voting franchise really, which i think pretty unethical. you think is pretty unethical. you know, hollowing out the- 4.“1:4“ you know, hollowing out the idea of noiionoi— know, hollowing out the idea of national citizenship, the fact inoi— national citizenship, the fact inoi non— national citizenship, the fact no non ono— national citizenship, the fact that you are a— national citizenship, the fact that you are a proud brit and ion— that you are a proud brit and ion in— that you are a proud brit and born in britain,— that you are a proud brit and born in britain, invested in onion— born in britain, invested in oniioin io— born in britain, invested in britain to just— born in britain, invested in britain to just actually living nono. — britain to just actually living here. there's— britain to just actually living here. there's a— britain to just actually living here. 9 here. there's a massive, great difference. even if you've been ining— difference. even if you've been iining nono— difference. even if you've been living here for— difference. even if you've been living here for quite— 9 �*7�*71:ri1:;1“iti1: even if you've been living here for quite some considerable— living here for quite some considerable time . 1“ considerable time. i mean, no oinon— considerable time. i mean, no other eu country allows eu citizens who aren't their nationals to vote in parliamentary elections and of course eu citizens can't even vote in the elections of other eu member states. so i think keir eu member states. so i think noin sionnon— eu member states. so i think keir starmer is— eu member states. so i think keir starmer is really- so i think keir starmer is really going out on o nonn— keir starmer is really going out on o nonn oiiin— keir starmer is really going out on a very silly limb about this nooi.— on a very silly limb about this one. paul, how— on a very silly limb about this one. paul, how would you respond to one. paul, how would you respond io-noinon— one. paul, how would you respond to rather predictable claims to the rather predictable claims inoi— to the rather predictable claims inoi non— to the rather predictable claims that keir starmer— to the rather predictable claims that keir starmer was just inning— that keir starmer was just inning-nig— that keir starmer was just tryinglrig-bext- that keir starmer was just trying rig next election trying to rig the next election ioinoon— trying to rig the next election between this _ trying to rig the next election between this and the 16 year oiio— between this and the 16 year oiio noning— between this and the 16 year olds having the— between this and the 16 year olds having the vote as well? noo—o-

olds having the vote as well? non—o kindl he's trying to create a kind of lefty cabal. well, lefty europhile cabal. well, suzanne's wrong to- 4. tn? well, suzanne's wrong to say that 4. it well, suzanne's wrong to say that only onion— suzanne's wrong to say that only nniiion noonio— suzanne's wrong to say that only british people can— suzanne's wrong to say that only british people can vote, because inon— british people can vote, because irish citizens,— british people can vote, because irish citizens, of— british people can vote, because irish citizens, of course, can noio— irish citizens, of course, can noio in— irish citizens, of course, can noio in-un— irish citizens, of course, can vote in-uk and- irish citizens, of course, can vote in uk and commonwealth vote in the uk and commonwealth oiiizono— vote in the uk and commonwealth oiiizono on— vote in the uk and commonwealth citizens can vote— vote in the uk and commonwealth citizens can vote-the— vote in the uk and commonwealth citizens can vote the uk. citizens can vote in the uk. so we citizens can vote in the uk. so nonnono— citizens can vote in the uk. so nolnono on— citizens can vote in the uk. so we.have an extended- citizens can vote in the uk. so we have an extended franchise we do have an extended franchise and what starmer is saying is if you live here, work here, you live here, you work here, you're perhaps married to a british person , your children british person, your children are british and you contribute to the economy and pay your tax . why on should the . why on earth should the noiiiiooi— . why on earth should the political class— why on earth should the political class say you can't noio— political class say you can't noio ii— political class say you can't vote even if you— political class say you can't vote even if you want to? wit; vote even if you want to? we nnooni— vote even if you want to? we nnooni io— vote even if you want to? we should be encouraging people to vote. we be extending the vote. we should be extending the inononioo— vote. we should be extending the franchise-people _ vote. we should be extending the franchise . people - live - franchise to people who live nono— franchise to people who live nono oni— franchise to people who live here and trying— franchise to people who live here and trying to revive our ionoonoon. — here and trying to revive our democracy. and _ here and trying to revive our democracy. and that's why 16 and 17 democracy. and that's why 16 and ii-ononii— democracy. and that's why 16 and 17 - should also - democracy. and that's why 16 and 17 - should also be - 17 year olds should also be oiionoi— 17 year olds should also be allowed .vote _ 17 year olds should also be allowed vote because if you allowed to vote because if you get allowed to vote because if you goi inio — allowed to vote because if you goi inio ino — allowed to vote because if you get into the habit— allowed to vote because if you get into the habit of voting allowed to vote because if you get inttthat habit of voting allowed to vote because if you get inttthat means)f voting allowed to vote because if you get inttthat means people; allowed to vote because if you get inttthat means people will young, that means people will oonn— young, that means people will oonn on— young, that means people will oonn on noiing— young, that means people will carry on voting as— young, that means people will carry on voting as they get oiion— carry on voting as they get oiion . — carry on voting as they get older . shouldn't- carry on voting as they get older . shouldn't get older. shouldn't they just get a british passport? and, suzanne well , i think british passport? and, suzanne well, i think that's right. i mean, obviously , there are well, i think that's right. i- mean, obviously , there are some mean, obviously, there are some noono— mean, obviously, there are some noonio. innniin— mean, obviously, there are some people, funnily enough, my own son people, funnily enough, my own oon-inio— people, funnily enough, my own oon-inio in— people, funnily enough, my own son _this in this- son in is in this in this nooiiion. — son in is in this in this position. he's- son in is in this in this position. i: 91:4 son in is in this in this position. 91:4 94.n4 position. he's got dual portuguese australian portuguese and australian citizenship, permanent citizenship, but has permanent right remain in the uk. so he right to remain in the uk. so he can't vote here and he can't get

a british passport. but that's perhaps it perhaps another issue. but it was interesting the issue perhaps another issue. but it watax teresting the issue perhaps another issue. but it watax terescame the issue perhaps another issue. but it watax terescame up the issue perhaps another issue. but it watax terescame up there. sue of tax just came up there. i mean, this idea that if you can pay you mean, this idea that if you can pay you can vote pay tax, you can vote is a ridiculous one because you you can very young can have very, very young children paying if they earn children paying tax if they earn enough money. there is no age threshold for paying tax. and so you can't that's a that's a ludicrous argument, really . lots ludicrous argument, really. lots of people can't vote . but of people can't vote. but everyone, of course, whatever their residency status in the in their residency status in the in the uk can be represented by their member of parliament and i think people can confuse confuse the two. as for this idea that it will reinvigorate democracy, i'm afraid there's no evidence for that whatsoever. it's just wishful thinking. many, many people have the vote and choose to not use it. and i'm you know, i think we all every politician has met on the streets, people that say they're never going to vote, even though they've got the think a the right. i think that's a great shame. i think if labour really wanted improve really wanted to improve democracy, they should be looking at perhaps bringing in some of mandatory voting

some kind of mandatory voting rather than just trying to gerrymander the franchise. as i said earlier. okay, paul , how said earlier. okay, paul, how nonii— said earlier. okay, paul, how nonii non— said earlier. okay, paul, how would you respond- 9 ”1:n4 okay, paul, how would you respond to people 9 1:n94 okay, paul, how would you respond to people who say,— would you respond to people who say wat, — would you respond to people who oon. wat, ioon.— would you respond to people who say, well, look, what will nonnon — say, well, look, what will nonnonlno— say, well, look, what will happen we will allow eu happen is we will allow eu noiionoio— happen is we will allow eu nationals to— happen is we will allow eu nationals to vote and then nonono— nationals to vote and then ioiono non— nationals to vote and then before you know it, the election onion— before you know it, the election oiion inoi— before you know it, the election after that, there _ before you know it, the election after that, there will be a nooono— after that, there will be a second referendum on the eu on the second referendum on the eu on ino-oni— second referendum on the eu on ino-oni inon— second referendum on the eu on the-and they will- second referendum on the eu on the and they will have the table and they will have oiionoi— the table and they will have allowed .extra _ the table and they will have allowed .extra by- the table and they will have allowed extra by that point, allowed an extra by that point, nnoioiin— allowed an extra by that point, nnoioiin 4— allowed an extra by that point, probably 4 million people from the probably 4 million people from ino innonoon— probably 4 million people from the european union to vote in inoi— the european union to vote in that election.— the european union to vote in that election. and— the european union to vote in that election. and probably referendum— that election. and probably referendum well . �*nii�*i1:44 referendum as well. well, i inni— referendum as well. well, i ininn ii-o— referendum as well. well, i ininn in o— referendum as well. well, i think it's a nonsense. i think it's put around by people it's being put around by people who trying eu who are trying to stop eu nationals voting in general elections. it'sjust elections. it's just scaremongering elections. it'sjust scaremongering . and elections. it'sjust scaremongering. and think, elections. it'sjust scaremongering . and think, you scaremongering. and i think, you nnon— scaremongering. and i think, you nnon-ongnnoni— scaremongering. and i think, you know,-argument of— t9i1:;9 “9 and i think, you know, argument of getting know, the argument of getting noono— know, the argument of gettingi people _franchise know, the argument of getting. people _franchise , people extending the franchise, ioiiing— people extending the franchise, ioiiing nnono— people extending the franchise, letting more people vote, nnoinon— letting more people vote, whether they're or year whether they're 16 or 17 year oiio— whether they're 16 or 17 year oiiolnoonio— whether they're 16 or 17 year olds people have lived olds or people who have lived nono— olds or people who have lived nono ion— olds or people who have lived nono ion oo— olds or people who have lived here for 30 years,— olds or people who have lived here for 30 years, is good for ionoonoon— here for 30 years, is good for ionoonoon . — here for 30 years, is good for democracy . arnie- here for 30 years, is good for democracy . 1 n1:; 1 here for 30 years, is good for democracy . 1 i1:; 1 1“n9 here for 30 years, is good for democracy . 1 n1:; 1 here for 30 years, is good for- democracy . arnie and we do want democracy. arnie and we do want to those people who to encourage those people who don't vote to vote. that's why it was terrible that we had that voter a couple voter id scam going on a couple of weeks ago in the local elections, people elections, which people were being the ballot being turned away at the ballot box, turned even with box, having turned up even with their photo id because it wasn't

quite the right kind of photo id . so, you know, those are the kind blocks voting, kind of blocks to people voting, not what starmer is saying. let's get more people voting. do you mean this, paul ? in all do you mean this, paul? in all seriousness, i do— do you mean this, paul? in all seriousness, i do obviously nooiin— seriousness, i do obviously nooiin. nooiin— seriousness, i do obviously really, really appreciate this ioioio— really, really appreciate this ioioio-ono- really, really appreciate this. debate.-are-know , debate. but you are you know, nono— debate. but you are you know, nono o— debate. but you are you know, non-no o nonn— debate. but you are you know, you're a very intelligent chap oni— you're a very intelligent chap oni oinii— you're a very intelligent chap oni oinii .— you're a very intelligent chap oni oinii . i— you're a very intelligent chap and stuff . i don't really think and stuff. i don't really think you— and stuff. i don't really think non gonninoin— and stuff. i don't really think you genuinely feel all that oonn— you genuinely feel all that oonn ion— you genuinely feel all that sorry for people who turned up to sorry for people who turned up io noio— sorry for people who turned up to vote without— sorry for people who turned up to vote without the right id, for to vote without the right id, ion gooinooo— to vote without the right id, for goodness sake. i mean , for goodness sake. i mean, oonionoin— for goodness sake. i mean, seriously. well,— for goodness sake. i mean, seriously. well, of course i do. of seriously. well, of course i do. on oonno— seriously. well, of course i do. on i— seriously. well, of course i do. of course i do. _ seriously. well, of course i do. of course i do. you- seriously. well, of course i do. of course i do. a1:4. seriously. well, of course i do. of course i do. a1::i4. of course i do. you know, people were turning up with with a jobseekers card. they're telling it student perfectly it with student id, perfectly valid photo id that will get them into a nightclub . and yet them into a nightclub. and yet we were turning people away who bothered to turn a bothered to turn up on a 20% turnout. these turnout. you know, these are the people celebrating people we should be celebrating for up. and we were for turning up. and we were ioiiing— for turning up. and we were ioiiing inon— for turning up. and we were telling them no— for turning up. and we were telling them no . - for turning up. and we were telling them no . and- “9 4. and we were telling them no . 11“i9 telling them no. and that's outrageous. know , we outrageous. and, you know, we haven't had the proper conversation yet how conversation yet about how we improve system. but it is improve that system. but it is you could you could i mean, the way i would argue, with way i would argue, paul, with respect, way to improve that respect, the way to improve that system read system is to get people to read the rules and then just apply

those when they go to those rules when they go to vote. but but then we both have to vote. but but then we both have io inn— vote. but but then we both have io innn nn— vote. but but then we both have io innn on niin— but but then we both have to turn up with photo id. nonioi— to turn up with photo id. patrick and _ to turn up with photo id. patrick and they- to turn up with photo id. patrick and they did.- to turn up with photo id. patrick and they did. and then they were told it wasn't the right of photo these right kind of photo id. these are people have got off are the people who have got off the and actually the sofa and actually bothered to up. we should be to turn up. we should be celebrating— to turn up. we should be celebrating those- 4. we should be celebrating those people, not inning—ononi celebrating those people, not. turning _okay, look, turning them away. okay, look, ioii— turning them away. okay, look, both—very. both of you, thank you very, very appreciated to very much. much appreciated to have worthwhile discussion have that worthwhile discussion there. that is labour special adviser, labour special adviser, former labour special adviser, former labour special adviser commentator suzanne political commentator suzanne evans. right so a report has found that 10% of school kids want to change their gender or have already done so. what on earth is going on in our schools? are they being indoctrinated ? i'm patrick indoctrinated? i'm patrick christys on gb news britain's news

join us here on gb news, the people's . channel welcome back. people's. channel welcome back. so what do you do when there's ioon— so what do you do when there's ioon o— so what do you do when there's ioon o iii— so what do you do when there's ioon o iii oi— so what do you do when there's been a bit of a— so what do you do when there's been a bit of a family round? von— been a bit of a family round? non inon— been a bit of a family round? non innon o— been a bit of a family round? you throw a party? well, that's non— you throw a party? well, that's non oo— you throw a party? well, that's how some are interpreting a soiree tonight— how some are interpreting a soiree tonight at— how some are interpreting a soiree tonight at downing street

for backbench _ soiree tonight at downing street for backbench conservative mps. oniioioiin.— for backbench conservative mps. officially ii-o— for backbench conservative mps. officially, it's a— for backbench conservative mps. officially, it's a party to celebrate _ officially, it's a party to celebrate the - officially, it's a party to celebrate the coronation. bit ioio— celebrate the coronation. bit ioio ion— celebrate the coronation. bit late for that,— celebrate the coronation. bit late for that, isn't it? but it is more about— late for that, isn't it? but it is more about getting the mps ioon— is more about getting the mps noon on— is more about getting the mps back on board. _ is more about getting the mps back on board. i— is more about getting the mps back on board. i suspect after ino— back on board. i suspect after ino ioooi— back on board. i suspect after the local election— back on board. i suspect after the local election drubbing and on ino— the local election drubbing and on ino on— the local election drubbing and on the menu of— the local election drubbing and on the menu of pork pies from inni— on the menu of pork pies from rishi _ butcher. - rishi sunak local butcher. ioining— rishi sunak local butcher. ioining-io- rishi sunak local butcher. ioining-io on. rishi sunak local butcher. joining is gb news joining me now is gb news noiiiiooi— political reporter catherine ionoion— political reporter catherine ionoion .— political reporter catherine forster . catherine, thank you. forster. catherine, thank you. nono— forster. catherine, thank you. nono-o— forster. catherine, thank you. we've-a couple- forster. catherine, thank you. we've a couple of splinter we've seen a couple of splinter ion— we've seen a couple of splinter ionn nonin— we've seen a couple of splinter tory party conference as one ioion— tory party conference as one today especially— tory party conference as one today especially has had a huge ononi— today especially has had a huge amount-attention. _ today especially has had a huge amount attention. what is amount of attention. what is non— amount of attention. what is iiioni sinon— amount of attention. what is rishi sunak hoping to gain here by oiioning— rishi sunak hoping to gain here by oiioning onon— rishi sunak hoping to gain here by allowing every single mp as far by allowing every single mp as ion-goinon— by allowing every single mp as ion-goinon in- by allowing every single mp as far-gather in the- by allowing every single mp as far gather in the tory far as i can gather in the tory party— far as i can gather in the tory noninlnoin— far as i can gather in the tory party walk through that big party to walk through that big nonnono— party to walk through that big| ionono—non party to walk through that big. ionono—non n famous black door behind you? noti— famous black door behind you? not noo— famous black door behind you? well he's hoping— famous black door behind you? well he's hoping to calm the oio— well he's hoping to calm the waters after,— well he's hoping to calm the waters after, of— well he's hoping to calm the waters after, of course, they ioni— waters after, of course, they iooi oo— waters after, of course, they lost over 150 _ waters after, of course, they lost over 150 seats in the local oiooiiono— lost over 150 seats in the local oiooiiono .— lost over 150 seats in the local elections , which— lost over 150 seats in the local elections , which was beyond elections, which was beyond inoin— elections, which was beyond inoin noni— elections, which was beyond their worst possible projections . no— their worst possible projections . as we've seen, _ their worst possible projections . as we've seen, there's quite a few splits emerging . we had the few splits emerging. we had the conservative democrat organisation in bournemouth on saturday. some would dub that bnng saturday. some would dub that bring back boris. then we've saturday. some would dub that bring back boris . then we've got bring back boris. then we've got the national conservative

conference running over three days just around the corner from here. jacob rees—mogg , the home here. jacob rees—mogg, the home secretary, suella braverman , secretary, suella braverman, miriam cates, among others , miriam cates, among others, making waves there . and i think making waves there. and i think what we're seeing is this this sort of six months in which conservative mps have pretty much given rishi sunak the benefit of the doubt at that sort of coalition of nest of singing birds as you would, which hasn't really been is really starting to come apart now because let's face it, the biggest threat to many conservative prime ministers as liz truss found out as boris johnson found out, and theresa may before them , is not may before them, is not necessarily the opposition , ian, necessarily the opposition, ian, but in fact their own mps. so it will be interesting to see whether these dissenting voices in the coming days pipe up even more than they have been doing or whether things begin to die down. pork pies. round number 10

for down. pork pies. round number 10 ion ino— down. pork pies. round number 10 ion ino ionn— down. pork pies. round number 10 ion ino ionn nno— down. pork pies. round number 10 for the tory mps to— down. pork pies. round number 10 for the tory mps to try— down. pork pies. round number 10 for the tory mps to try to- 9 round number 10 for the tory mps to try to bring inon — for the tory mps to try to bring inon oii— for the tory mps to try to bring them all back— for the tory mps to try to bring them all back on— for the tory mps to try to bring them all back on side. catherine inonn— them all back on side. catherine inonn non— them all back on side. catherine inonn non nonn— them all back on side. catherine thank you very, very much. coinonino— thank you very, very much. catherine forster there , our catherine forster there, our noiiiiooi— catherine forster there, our political reporter outside oonning— political reporter outside downing street. yes , we political reporter outside - downing street. .yes , we just downing street. and yes, we just nonioi— downing street. and yes, we just nonioi-non— downing street. and yes, we just nonioi-non-iii- downing street. and yes, we just wanted _you-bit ofi wanted to let you know a bit of noiiiiooi— wanted to let you know a bit of political news,— wanted to let you know a bit of political news, suppose, political news, i suppose, inni— political news, i suppose,- rishi,-responding. rishi, you're not responding. i nonii— rishi, you're not responding. i nono-io— rishi, you're not responding. i would-to the- rishi, you're not responding. i would to the latest would suspect to the latest iningo— would suspect to the latest fringe splinter— would suspect to the latest fringe splinter movements in the ion— fringe splinter movements in the ion-no— fringe splinter movements in the ion-no oioonin— fringe splinter movements in the ion-no oioonin .- fringe splinter movements in the tory-he clearly , i- fringe splinter movements in the tory he clearly , i think, tory party. he clearly, i think, iooio— tory party. he clearly, i think, iooio o— tory party. he clearly, i think, feels a little— tory party. he clearly, i think, feels a little bit— tory party. he clearly, i think, feels a little bit rattled and. concerned._bring concerned. he wants to bring noono— concerned. he wants to bring people together,— concerned. he wants to bring- people together,_now people together, doesn't he? now inongn— people together, doesn't he? now though,-shocking_ people together, doesn't he? now though, shocking report though, to a shocking report inoi— though, to a shocking report inoi-inoi- though, to a shocking report inoi-inoi i- though, to a shocking report that-that 1 in- though, to a shocking report that-that 1 in 10. that has found that 1 in 10 oonooi— that has found that 1 in 10 school children- that has found that 1 in 10 school children want to change inoin— school children want to change inoin gonion— school children want to change their gender or— school children want to change their gender or have already iono— their gender or have already nono-oiion- their gender or have already done-study-the done so. the study from the inn— done so. the study from the think-civitas- done so. the study from the think civitas says nearly think tank civitas says nearly a inni— think tank civitas says nearly a inini oi— think tank civitas says nearly a third of school— think tank civitas says nearly a third of school kids are taught inoi— third of school kids are taught inoi o— third of school kids are taught that a woman— third of school kids are taught that a woman can— third of school kids are taught that a woman can have a penis. so that a woman can have a penis. so nnoi— that a woman can have a penis. so nnoi-oonn— that a woman can have a penis. so what-earth is— that a woman can have a penis. so what earth is going on? so what on earth is going on? in — so what on earth is going on? in ioinoi— so what on earth is going on? in toinoi non— so what on earth is going on? i'm joined now by— so what on earth is going on? i'm joined now by teacher debbie nonon— i'm joined now by teacher debbie hayton, transgender as hayton, who is transgender as non— hayton, who is transgender as noii .— hayton, who is transgender as noii . inonn— hayton, who is transgender as well. thank you— hayton, who is transgender as well. thank you very much, ooiiio. — well. thank you very much, debbie. _have- well. thank you very much, debbie. have you on well. thank you very much,- debbie. _have you on the debbie. great to have you on the onon— debbie. great to have you on the show.-see-again- debbie. great to have you on the show.-see-again .. show. great to see you again. ioon.— show. great to see you again. ioon. io— show. great to see you again. ioon. io inio— show. great to see you again. look, is this indoctrination or nono— look, is this indoctrination or nono no— look, is this indoctrination or have we always— look, is this indoctrination or have we always had 1 in 10 kids? do have we always had 1 in 10 kids? i>o non— have we always had 1 in 10 kids? no non inin— have we always had 1 in 10 kids? do you think, who— have we always had 1 in 10 kids? do you think, who are keen to onongo— do you think, who are keen to onongo inoin— do you think, who are keen to change their gender and just nonon-i— change their gender and just nonon-i ioii— change their gender and just haven't felt comfortable doing it? haven't felt comfortable doing it — haven't felt comfortable doing it no.— haven't felt comfortable doing it no. no— haven't felt comfortable doing it? no, we don't.— haven't felt comfortable doing it? no, we don't. this- haven't felt comfortable doing

it? no, we don't. this is a fad . it clearly is. patrick children have come across these ideas on the internet through social media, through their friendship groups . and children friendship groups. and children have always come up with with with fads. but what's not, what's new is the fact that adults, people responsible adults, people responsible adults are standing back and not correcting those children . what correcting those children. what is the damage going— correcting those children. what is the damage going to- tt “9 it. 1“ 49 9i1:; 1“ what is the damage going to be here? nooono— is the damage going to be here? because some people might go, non— because some people might go, well, ino— because some people might go, well, live and— because some people might go, well, live and let— because some people might go, well, live and let live. debbie ii-o— well, live and let live. debbie it's absolutely— well, live and let live. debbie it's absolutely fine, but are inono— it's absolutely fine, but are inono going— it's absolutely fine, but are there going to— it's absolutely fine, but are there going to be knock on consequences— there going to be knock on consequences for these children? i consequences for these children? i nnoon— consequences for these children? i ioon.— consequences for these children? i mean, look, dare— consequences for these children? i mean, look, dare say it i mean, look, dare i say it agno— i mean, look, dare i say it nigninlii— i mean, look, dare i say it righblii o— i mean, look, dare i say it right?.it a kind- i mean, look, dare i say it right? it a kind of like the right? is it a kind of like the noonni— right? is it a kind of like the noonni ion— right? is it a kind of like the modern day anorak for, well , modern day anorak for, well, inoi— modern day anorak for, well, no onoiogn— modern day anorak for, well, that analogy has— modern day anorak for, well, that analogy has been made. its— that analogy has been made. in o— that analogy has been made. it's a similar— that analogy has been made. it's a similar group— that analogy has been made. it's a similar group of- that analogy has been made. it's a similar group of children who were who struggled, who struggle with mental health issues there. and a similar group of children. so that analogy has been made. what's not the case, though, is that these children are the opposite sex. that's that's the lie that they're being told that they can choose the sex, as you said, that women can have a penis, men can get pregnant. this is

nonsense. and as adults, we need to correct that nonsense as it is. i to correct that nonsense as it is . i think to correct that nonsense as it is. i think concerning for nononio— is. i think concerning for nononio non— i think concerning for parents now who might be iiiniing— parents now who might be ininiing. nn— parents now who might be thinking, i'm going to home nnoon— thinking, i'm going to home oonooi. nn— thinking, i'm going to home school, my kids— thinking, i'm going to home school, my kids , do you think school, my kids, do you think noti— school, my kids, do you think not ooo— school, my kids, do you think not o— school, my kids, do you think we'll see a rise— school, my kids, do you think we'll see a rise of— school, my kids, do you think we'll see a rise of that? �*1nni1i1:;44 we'll see a rise of that? well, ino— we'll see a rise of that? well, no notion— we'll see a rise of that? well, the problem is you can you can homeschool children, but you can't cut them off from the internet. and a lot of these ideas are coming from social media, their friendship groups and from internet contacts . and from internet contacts. that's where it's coming from. so that's where it's coming from. so its— that's where it's coming from. so its nonn— that's where it's coming from. so in non. nonn— that's where it's coming from. so it's very, very difficult- that's where it's coming from. so it's very, very difficult to restrict children to and keep children away from that . okay. children away from that. okay. right. so in a nutshell,- t“ 49 91:11“ okay. right. so in a nutshell, what do you— right. so in a nutshell, what do non ininn— right. so in a nutshell, what do non ininn io— right. so in a nutshell, what do non ininn io io— right. so in a nutshell, what do you think is to blame for this? nono— you think is to blame for this? we've mentioned— you think is to blame for this? we've mentioned the internet, oni— we've mentioned the internet, oni inoi— we've mentioned the internet, oni inoi no— we've mentioned the internet, and that was always going to be iiiiionii— and that was always going to be iiiiionii io— and that was always going to be difficult to police— and that was always going to be difficult to police and schools oonnoooiin— difficult to police and schools oonnoooiin noi— difficult to police and schools supposedly not doing enough. do you supposedly not doing enough. do non ininn— supposedly not doing enough. do non ininn oo— supposedly not doing enough. do you think as well?— supposedly not doing enough. do you think as well? i mean, does oi— you think as well? i mean, does oi inio— you think as well? i mean, does some of this have— you think as well? i mean, does some of this have to come from ino— some of this have to come from ino nonon— some of this have to come from ino nono-v ii— some of this have to come from the home? it could.— some of this have to come from the home? it could. it be argued inoi— the home? it could. it be argued inoi. non— the home? it could. it be argued that, you-parents- the home? it could. it be argued that, you parents to that, you know, parents need to do that, you know, parents need to to o— that, you know, parents need to to o iii— that, you know, parents need to to o iii oi— that, you know, parents need to to o iii oi o— that, you know, parents need to do a bit of a better— that, you know, parents need to do a bit of a betterjob and say,— do a bit of a betterjob and oon-ioon.— do a bit of a betterjob and oon-ioon ii— do a bit of a betterjob and say,-look, if you- do a bit of a betterjob and say, look, if you are say, hey, look, if you are gonninoin— say, hey, look, if you are genuinely transgender, fine, but.— genuinely transgender, fine, ioi—ginoi but, you know, maybe give it a bit but, you know, maybe give it a iiiliino— but, you know, maybe give it a iiiliino oni—

but, you know, maybe give it a bit-time and think- but, you know, maybe give it a bit time and think about the bit of time and think about the noun— bit of time and think about the reality-situation- bit of time and think about the reality-situation . - bit of time and think about the reality situation . �*1nni11“f4 reality of the situation. what we reality of the situation. what no nooi— reality of the situation. what no nooi io— reality of the situation. what we need to do— reality of the situation. what we need to do as— reality of the situation. what we need to do as adults , as we need to do as adults, as teachers and as parents is be honest with children . children honest with children. children may be distressed about their sex, may be distressed about their gender, as that word is called, but they're not the opposite. sex and to come to ionno— opposite. sex and to come to ionno niin— opposite. sex and to come to terms with who _ opposite. sex and to come to terms with who they- stink and to come to terms with who they are snix and to come to terms with who they are and inoin— terms with who they are and their bodies— terms with who they are and their bodies as— terms with who they are and their bodies as they are is onoin— their bodies as they are is onnoin ino— their bodies as they are is surely the goal- their bodies as they are is surely the goal which we should be surely the goal which we should no oioniing— surely the goal which we should no oioniing. noi— surely the goal which we should be adopting, not out thinking inono— be adopting, not out thinking inono io— be adopting, not out thinking there is something special. inono— there is something special. inono io— there is something special. there is something- there is something special. there is something new- there is something special. there is something new here. there is something new here. there isn't. there's simply oniiinon— there isn't. there's simply children who— there isn't. there's simply children who are- 1“i1i9i1i 4 there's simply children who are distressed ononi— children who are distressed about their— children who are distressed about their bodies and trying to get about their bodies and trying to goi innongn— about their bodies and trying to get through adolescence science, and get through adolescence science, oni inoin— get through adolescence science, and that's always— get through adolescence science, and that's always been that's oinono— and that's always been that's oinono ioon— and that's always been that's always been the— and that's always been that's always been the case. �*1nni1i1i always been the case. we just nooi— always been the case. we just nooi io— always been the case. we just need to remember that this is nothing new and treat this in the same way as we've treated other issues that children come up with. debbie thank you very much. i always really enjoy our nnoio— much. i always really enjoy our onoio oni— much. i always really enjoy our onoio oni i— much. i always really enjoy our chats and i think— much. i always really enjoy our chats and i think it's- 14.t1“ i always really enjoy our chats and i think it's a useful oniiioio— chats and i think it's a useful antidote. often— chats and i think it's a useful antidote. often to— chats and i think it's a useful antidote. often to these kind of iignnoo— antidote. often to these kind of iignnoo inoi— antidote. often to these kind of figures that we _ antidote. often to these kind of figures that we see. debbie nonion— figures that we see. debbie hayton there— figures that we see. debbie hayton there is,— figures that we see. debbie hayton there is, course, hayton there is, of course, inonogonion— hayton there is, of course, transgender as— hayton there is, of course, transgender as well and a noonon— transgender as well and a teacher.-joined- transgender as well and a teacher. joined now by

teacher. i'm joined now by nionoiio— teacher. i'm joined now by michelle-who'lll teacher. i'm joined now by. michelle-who'll be michelle dewberry, who'll be with—next- michelle dewberry, who'll be with _next hour. michelle dewberry, who'll be. with _ next hour with with you for the next hour with mm — with you for the next hour with mm imm— with you for the next hour with dewbs& what you got coming dewbs& co. what you got coming up.7 dewbs& co. what you got coming “p7_p°pped- dewbs& co. what you got coming up?—popped-themi up.7 i randomly popped up then, awn-t— up.7 i randomly popped up then, didn't—got- didn't i? you did. people got a sneak— didn't i? you did. people got a sneak-of.— didn't i? you did. people got a sneak-of. sneak- didn't i? you did. people got a sneak of. sneak peek from sneak peek of. sneak peek from oown— sneak peek of. sneak peek from down under. — sneak peek of. sneak peek from down under. .i— sneak peek of. sneak peek from down under. .i do- sneak peek of. sneak peek from down under. if» g down under. yes, i do apologise . all right.— down under. yes, i do apologise . all right. into— down under. yes, i do apologise . all right. into your— down under. /is ii 3 all right. into your show . all right. into your show unannounced— all right. into your show unannounced like find unannounced like that, i find that— unannounced like that, i find that topic— unannounced like that, i find that topic absolutely fascinating- that topic absolutely fascinating . as a mum, as fascinating. as a mum, as a granted.— fascinating. as a mum, as a granted. my— fascinating. as a mum, as a granted. my one's only two, so vve— granted. my one's only two, so we got— granted. my one's only two, so tve got a— granted. my one's only two, so tte got a tett— granted. my one's only two, so i've got a few years before i get— i've got a few years before i get at— i've got a few years before i get at ttts— i've got a few years before i get all this ahead of me. g get all this ahead of me. but it worries me so much because there's only so far you can protect your kids and when your kid goes to school and then you have all these teachers saying, you i've got a little you know, i've got a little boy calling a girl and calling my little boy a girl and allowing my son to give himself allowing my son to give himself a girl's name. and often without my knowledge a parent, my knowledge as a parent, because been happening because that's been happening a lot schools. for me, that is lot at schools. for me, that is a-crossed. and,- a red line crossed. and, you know— a red line crossed. and, you know-pegge— a red line crossed. and, you know people questioning know, if people are questioning ttett— know, if people are questioning their-whatever- know, if people are questioning their whatever their their sex or whatever their getter,— their sex or whatever their getter-ts— their sex or whatever their gender, is because gender, that is because fundamentally they're unhappy. so fundamentally they're unhappy. so whats— fundamentally they're unhappy. so whats gone— fundamentally they're unhappy. so what's gone wrong? what's gone— so what's gone wrong? what's gone wrong?— so what's gone wrong? what's gone wrong? answer so what's gone wrong? what's- gone wrong?_answer to gone wrong? where the answer to tetng— gone wrong? where the answer to tetng-gg— gone wrong? where the answer to tetng-tg there- gone wrong? where the answer to being-is, there you- gone wrong? where the answer to being is, there you go. being unhappy is, there you go. you-to— being unhappy is, there you go. you're—youl you're not happy. and who you so— you're not happy. and who you so-tutn— you're not happy. and who you are. so .turn you - you're not happy. and who you are. so .turn you into. are. so let's turn you into someone else. why isn't the totoutt— someone else. why isn't the default you're _ someone else. why isn't the default you're not— why isn't the default you're not happy in who you-oo— default you're not happy in who you-so tot-o— default you're not happy in who you-so let's help- default you're not happy in who

you so let's help you. you are, so let's help you. to— you are, so let's help you. it's—quickly! you are, so let's help you. i it's—quickly this it's amazing how quickly this has at least 2 or 3 has happened for at least 2 or 3 years. people myself, i years. people like myself, i daresay you as well have been saying going in saying what's going on in schools, to schools, arnie think amounts to indoctrination and it will help shape outlooks in shape children outlooks in a in a negative and very confusing sense. now now, bosch, there we go. i 10 children either want go. i in 10 children either want to change gender or already have. that's not normal. that's not normal. yeah, but what i fount— not normal. yeah, but what i found interesting— not normal. yeah, but what i found interesting as- yeah, but what i found interesting as well, tootog— found interesting as well, because when— found interesting as well, because when we talk about these ttnt— because when we talk about these ttntltootoo— because when we talk about these kind-topics, there'll— because when we talk about these kind topics, there'll be a kind of topics, there'll be a segment— kind of topics, there'll be a segment viewers that will get segment of viewers that will get in segment of viewers that will get to touch— segment of viewers that will get to touch-ottot- segment of viewers that will get in touch-what are- segment of viewers that will get in touch what are you in touch and go, what are you totngt— in touch and go, what are you oonogo-oto— in touch and go, what are you doing? are talking about doing? why are you talking about two?— doing? why are you talking about tom—tooto- doing? why are you talking about this?_there was. this? on the census, there was only— this? on the census, there was onlv- _ this? on the census, there was onty- tut— this? on the census, there was only- but actually,- this? on the census, there was only- but actually, as only a tiny% but actually, as i always going forward, always say, going forward, you'll this number increase. you'll see this number increase. so i'm really happy so yeah, i'm really not happy about— so yeah, i'm really not happy. about—ottot about that. tonight. the other thing other thing i'm thing the other thing i'm not happy camera can happy about is what camera can i show everyone? this is a camera a ot— show everyone? this is a camera a or camera nine. _ show everyone? this is a camera a or camera nine. look- ”gr this is a camera a or camera nine. look at the oooutt — a or camera nine. look at the oooutt -tto- a or camera nine. look at the colour. _the state- a or camera nine. look at the colour. the state of colour. look at the state of that.— colour. look at the state of ttotltttt-s— colour. look at the state ofi that.ithat's-couple. colour. look at the state of. that.ithat's-couple. if that. that's a bad couple. if you are not watching,- that. :toitti titit. if you are not watching, you're ttotontng. — you are not watching, you're ttotontng. -you- you are not watching, you're listening. you can't listening. instead, you can't ottot— listening. instead, you can't see what-just- listening. instead, you can't see what just been see what i have just been sowed.— see what i have just been served-like- see what i have just been served. like muddy served. it looks like muddy ttotwotot— served. it looks like muddy dishwater.-it- served. it looks like muddy dishwater.-it is.- served. it looks like muddy dishwater. it is. i don't dishwater. it is. it is. i don't know— dishwater. it is. it is. i don't tnowltto— dishwater. it is. it is. i don't knowlthe toilets- dishwater. it is. it is. i don't know the toilets been know if the toilets have been otoonot— know if the toilets have been cleaned - i've- know if the toilets have been cleaned - i've beeni cleaned with what i've been presented— cleaned with what i've beeni presented _tonight cleaned with what i've been- presented _tonight or cleaned with what i've been- presei'vei_tonight or cleaned with what i've been presei've got tonight or cleaned with what i've been presei've got to tonight or cleaned with what i've been presei've got to go. tonight or cleaned with what i've been presei've got to go. howright or cleaned with what i've been presei've got to go. how to it or cleaned with what i've been presei've got to go. how to make what i've got to go. how to make a_eltp—

what i've got to go. how to make o-ouo ot— what i've got to go. how to make o-ouo ot toot— what i've got to go. how to make a-cup of tea? that's- what i've got to go. how to make a cup of tea? that's what a decent cup of tea? that's what you— a decent cup of tea? that's what you toot— a decent cup of tea? that's what you toot to— a decent cup of tea? that's what you need to teaching in you need to be teaching in ootooto. — you need to be teaching in schools. til: i you need to be teaching in schools. everybody, you schools. everybody, i'll see you tomorrow jubes tomorrow at three. jubes is next. afternoon. i'm alex deakin. and your latest deakin. and this is your latest weather— deakin. and this is your latest weather update— deakin. and this is your latest weather update from - t " and this is your latest weather update from the met otttoo— weather update from the met. otttoo—uo office for gb news. most of us out— office for gb news. most of us tout-try— office for gb news. most of us wttt-tty tot— office for gb news. most of us will-dry for the- office for gb news. most of us will dry for the rest of will stay dry for the rest of ttto— will stay dry for the rest of ttto woot. — will stay dry for the rest of this week. there'll be few this week. there'll be a few showers— this week. there'll be a few showers around,— this week. there'll be a few showers around, generally showers around, but generally sunny—ts- sunny spells. and yes, it is petty— sunny spells. and yes, it is pretty ttest — sunny spells. and yes, it is pretty fresh at— sunny spells. and yes, it is pretty fresh at the moment, but it pretty fresh at the moment, but tt wttt— pretty fresh at the moment, but tt wttt te— pretty fresh at the moment, but tt wttt toe-o— pretty fresh at the moment, but it will be - a little - it will be turning a little warmer. this— it will be turning a little warmer. this area of high pressure ts— warmer. this area of high pressure is slowly building in tre— pressure is slowly building in across the country. this weather trott— across the country. this weather trorrt brought— across the country. this weather front brought some rain overrtgtt— front brought some rain overnight that cleared away from kent— overnight that cleared away from tent-morrtrg— overnight that cleared away from tent-morrtrg ,— overnight that cleared away from kent morning, leaving kent this morning, leaving tettrt— kent this morning, leaving behind-spells- kent this morning, leaving behind spells and just a behind sunny spells and just a terr— behind sunny spells and just a tew showrs— behind sunny spells and just a few showers, but— behind sunny spells and just a few showers, but still i or 2 heavy— few showers, but still i or 2 heavy ones— few showers, but still i or 2 heavy ones around this evening ports— heavy ones around this evening ports ot— heavy ones around this evening over parts of northeast england sht— over parts of northeast england and-scotland. - over parts of northeast englandi and-scotland. -are and southern scotland. they are going— and southern scotland. they are gotng-away.— and southern scotland. they are gotng-away. so- and southern scotland. they are going away. so most will going to fade away. so most will howe— going to fade away. so most will hove-htght.— going to fade away. so most will have-night.-clear- have a dry night. and clear spetts— have a dry night. and clear spells means— have a dry night. and clear spells means it— have a dry night. and clear spells means it is going to be gutte— spells means it is going to be gwtte ohtttw— spells means it is going to be quite chilly later— spells means it is going to be quite chilly later in the night. spells means it is going to be quite and] later in the night. spells means it is going to be quite and patchy n the night. spells means it is going to be quite and patchy raine night. spells means it is going to be quite and patchy rain will|ht. cloud and patchy rain will spread— cloud and patchy rain will spread hto— cloud and patchy rain will spread into the- cloud and patchy rain will spread into the far north, teephg— spread into the far north, teephg the— spread into the far north, keeping the temperatures up here,— keeping the temperatures up here—town- keeping the temperatures up here—town to| here, but elsewhere down to shgte— here, but elsewhere down to single figures— here, but elsewhere down to single figures and in some spots ootwottw— actually pretty close to treezhg — actually pretty close to freezing in— actually pretty close to freezing in the countryside. so a freezing in the countryside. so oohtttw— freezing in the countryside. so o ohtttw start— freezing in the countryside. so a chilly start to— freezing in the countryside. so a chilly start to tuesday for hut— a chilly start to tuesday for sure, but generally a bright one wtth— sure, but generally a bright one wtth gutte— sure, but generally a bright one wtth gwtte o— sure, but generally a bright one with quite a bit— sure, but generally a bright one with quite a bit of— sure, but generally a bright one with quite a bit of sunshine. crout— with quite a bit of sunshine. ctowt sht— with quite a bit of sunshine. cloud and patchy rain across

hortherh— cloud and patchy rain across northern scotland. that will spread— northern scotland. that will spread-so— northern scotland. that will spread-so o- northern scotland. that will spread-so a few- northern scotland. that will spread so a few showers spread south. so a few showers twrhhg— spread south. so a few showers twrhhg up— spread south. so a few showers turning up through the central tett— turning up through the central hett tote— turning up through the central belt late morning onwards. and then— belt late morning onwards. and then tater— belt late morning onwards. and then toter h— belt late morning onwards. and then later in the— belt late morning onwards. and then later in the day, we could seeltew— then later in the day, we could seeltew more— then later in the day, we could see few more showers coming see a few more showers coming hto— see a few more showers coming hto sowtherh— see a few more showers coming into southern scotland and perhaps— perhaps northeast england, but pretty—,- perhaps northeast england, but pretty—r hostl pretty well scattered, most protes— pretty well scattered, most ptooes tw- — pretty well scattered, most ptooes trw wes— pretty well scattered, most places dry. yes, some cloud, but some sunny spells.— places dry. yes, some cloud, but some sunny spells. temperatures in some sunny spells. temperatures th the— some sunny spells. temperatures th the south— some sunny spells. temperatures in the south similar to today, 18 in the south similar to today, role.— in the south similar to today, 18.19. further— in the south similar to today, 18 19. further north, 16, 18 or 19. further north, 16, ogoth— 18 or 19. further north, 16, ogoth pretty— 18 or 19. further north, 16, again, pretty low for the time of again, pretty low for the time ot wear,— again, pretty low for the time ot wear, a— again, pretty low for the time of year, a touch— again, pretty low for the time of year, a touch below average toroge— of year, a touch below average roroge twrhg— of year, a touch below average farage during the— of year, a touch below average farage during the evening, still a farage during the evening, still stew— farage during the evening, still otew ot— farage during the evening, still a few of those— farage during the evening, still a few of those showers scattered across northeastern _ a few of those showers scattered across northeastern parts of thgtoht— across northeastern parts of england tending to fade again, ttsoppeorhg— england tending to fade again, disappearing by— england tending to fade again, disappearing by midnight . so disappearing by midnight. so ogoth— disappearing by midnight. so ogoth tor— disappearing by midnight. so ogoth tor the— disappearing by midnight. so again, for the vast majority , again, for the vast majority, tt-tt— again, for the vast majority, tt-tt he — again, for the vast majority, tt-tt he tw— again, for the vast majority, tt-tt he try os— again, for the vast majority, it'll be dry as we go into wethestow— it'll be dry as we go into wednesday morning. and again , wednesday morning. and again, many— wednesday morning. and again, hohw proces— wednesday morning. and again, many places starting off with some sunshine— many places starting off with some sunshine shine a bit more stout— some sunshine shine a bit more stout sht— some sunshine shine a bit more stout oht rah— some sunshine shine a bit more cloud and rain spilling cloud and rain again spilling hto—turhgl into the north—west during wethestow— into the north—west during wethestow .— into the north—west during wednesday . some into the north—west during wednesday. some rain into the north—west during wednesday . some rain arriving wednesday. some rain arriving pg...— wednesday. some rain arriving here-tor— wednesday. some rain arriving here,-for most— wednesday. some rain arriving here,-for most it's- wednesday. some rain arriving here, for most it's dry. here, but for most it's dry. greater— here, but for most it's dry. greater chance— here, but for most it's dry. greater chance for a few more showes— greater chance for a few more showers over eastern england . showers over eastern england. hut— showers over eastern england. hut eoeh— showers over eastern england. hut pg...— showers over eastern england. but even here, think they'll but even here, i think they'll be but even here, i think they'll he pretty— but even here, i think they'll be pretty scattered during be pretty well scattered during wethestoo. — be pretty well scattered during wednesday. places wednesday. and most places stoohg— wednesday. and most places stoohg tro— wednesday. and most places stoohg try opt— wednesday. and most places staying dry and bright with sunro— staying dry and bright with sunny-— staying dry and bright with sunny . temperatures again sunny spells. temperatures again orouot— sunny spells. temperatures again orouht—hetow- sunny spells. temperatures again around below average, around or a touch below average, but around or a touch below average, hut-storthg— around or a touch below average, but-startinglcreep- but they are starting to creep up but they are starting to creep up-it—

but they are starting to creep up-it-get_ but they are starting to creep up-tt-get o- but they are starting to creep up .it-get a little - up and it will get a little warmer as this- up and it will get a little warmer as this week goes .

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