should there be a loud averts in general elections. yes or no. ten miles an hour is that the speed that you should have to drive your car at 30 2010. wouldn't surprise me if they got rid of them altogether and made it walking only. and ukraine's

zelenskyy is in town. he is asking for more support. should we give it to him .7 if so, where we give it to him.7 if so, where is the we give it to him? if so, where is the line? is there one at all? we'll have it all coming up. but before we do, let's get ourselves the latest news headunes. ourselves the latest news headlines. michelle, ourselves the latest news headlines . michelle, thank you headlines. michelle, thank you and good— headlines. michelle, thank you and good evening— headlines. michelle, thank you and good evening to— : michelle, thank you and good evening to you. the top story— and good evening to you. the top story today,— and good evening to you. the top story today, the— and good evening to you. the top story today, the home secretary has— story today, the home secretary has defended— story today, the home secretary has defended the— story today, the home secretary has defended the government's plan— has defended the government's plan to— has defended the government's plan to cut— has defended the government's plan la cal nel— has defended the government's plan to cut net migration, saying— plan to cut net migration, saplnp n— plan to cut net migration, saying it isn't— plan to cut net migration, saying it isn't racist to want to annal— saying it isn't racist to want to control our— saying it isn't racist to want to control our borders. in a spleen— to control our borders. in a speech, suella_ to control our borders. in a speech, suella braverman argued that speech, suella braverman argued anal nasa— speech, suella braverman argued anal ana— speech, suella braverman argued that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable— that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable and— that mass and rapid migration is unsustainable and would be a parlan— unsustainable and would be a burden on— unsustainable and would be a burden on housing and public pennan— burden on housing and public services. and— burden on housing and public services. and she— burden on housing and public services. and she says the uk snaall— services. and she says the uk snaall pa— services. and she says the uk should be focussed instead on anallna— should be focussed instead on anallnp nlpnly— should be focussed instead on creating highly skilled workers at creating highly skilled workers a name. — creating highly skilled workers al nann- ana— creating highly skilled workers at home. " creating highly skilled workers at home. ” at home. the labour market has acute or structural shortages. as with the nhs , it is of course as with the nhs, it is of course right that we should have an immigration system agile enough to plug those shortages . but we

to plug those shortages. but we need to get overall immigration numbers down. there is no good reason why we can't train up enough truck drivers , butchers, enough truck drivers, butchers, fruit pickers, builders or welders. brexit enables us to build a high skilled, high wage economy that is less dependent on low skilled foreign . labour on low skilled foreign. labour well, the home secretary's spleen— well, the home secretary's spaaan na— well, the home secretary's speech was in— well, the home secretary's speech was in fact disrupted nalnnay— speech was in fact disrupted halfway through minutes after the halfway through minutes after nne nann— halfway through minutes after the home secretary began, a man papal— the home secretary began, a man stood up— the home secretary began, a man stood up n— the home secretary began, a man stood up in protest— the home secretary began, a man stood up in protest and then later— stood up in protest and then later a— stood up in protest and then later a woman— stood up in protest and then later a woman also interrupted the later a woman also interrupted tne spleen— later a woman also interrupted the speech, heckling the home secretary— the speech, heckling the home secretary before _ the speech, heckling the home secretary before she, like he was removed _ secretary before she, like he was removed from the chamber. nan— was removed from the chamber. nan tne— was removed from the chamber. nan tne un— was removed from the chamber. nan tne un n— was removed from the chamber. now the uk is to— was removed from the chamber. now the uk is to train ukrainian platt— now the uk is to train ukrainian plots to— now the uk is to train ukrainian plots ta tr— now the uk is to train ukrainian pilots to fly western fighter jetsr — pilots to fly western fighter jetsr tat— pilots to fly western fighter tats, tat lt— pilots to fly western fighter jets, but it has— pilots to fly western fighter jets, but it has no plans to prartta— jets, but it has no plans to provide them— jets, but it has no plans to provide them with planes at a neettnp— provide them with planes at a neettna at— provide them with planes at a meeting at chequers today , the meeting at chequers today, the name— meeting at chequers today, the prime minister— meeting at chequers today, the prime minister told president zelentlw— prime minister told president zalantlwtnat— prime minister told president zelenskyy that providing war planet— zelenskyy that providing war planes wasn't— zelenskyy that providing war planes wasn't straightforward. but planes wasn't straightforward. nut tarant— planes wasn't straightforward. but rishi sunak_ planes wasn't straightforward. but rishi sunak did promise

tanner— but rishi sunak did promise tanner atr— but rishi sunak did promise further air defence missiles and ton— further air defence missiles and drones on condition they were toot— drones on condition they were toot only— drones on condition they were used only over— drones on condition they were used only over ukrainian soil. one— used only over ukrainian soil. one tttng— used only over ukrainian soil. one tntng no— used only over ukrainian soil. one thing we will— used only over ukrainian soil. one thing we will be- used only over ukrainian soil. one thing we will be doing starting actually relatively soon is the training of ukrainian pilots and that's something that we've discussed today and we're ready to implement those plans in relatively short order, which will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become absolute combat ready aircraft, pilots as well. president xi zelenskyy thanked the prime minister saying air power and fighter jets were an minister saying air power and fighterjets were an important issue for his country's defence. today we spoke about the jets very— today we spoke about the jets vary tnponant— today we spoke about the jets very important topic for us toooaao— very important topic for us because we can't control the sly. — because we can't control the sly. roa— because we can't control the sly. you know— because we can't control the sky. you know it- because we can't control the sky. you know it so- because we can't control the sky. you know it so i- because we can't control the sky. you know it so i think you know, everything deeply because we're real partners , really we're real partners, really knows all the details of what's going on on our battlefield. thank you very much. and we want to create these jets coalition and i'm very positive with it . and i'm very positive with it. now a ballot on strike action by

senior doctors in england has opened , and that's after the opened, and that's after the british medical association said talks with the other governments over the long running dispute is in deadlock . but the health in deadlock. but the health topannont— in deadlock. but the health department is— " ::f but the health department is urging those otrtltng— department is urging those otrtltng to— department is urging those striking to seriously consider the striking to seriously consider to enact— striking to seriously consider the effect that— striking to seriously consider the effect that further walkouts ntll— the effect that further walkouts ntll nava— the effect that further walkouts ntll late on — the effect that further walkouts will have on patients. the ballot— will have on patients. the ballot will— will have on patients. the ballot will close at the end of pano— ballot will close at the end of june ant— ballot will close at the end of june ant tno— ballot will close at the end of june and the royal college of tarant— june and the royal college of tnntnt payo— june and the royal college of nursing says nurses fear being talen— nursing says nurses fear being taken to— nursing says nurses fear being taken to court— nursing says nurses fear being taken to court over the level of tnoy— taken to court over the level of tnoy troo— taken to court over the level of care they give to— taken to court over the level of care they give to patients. the anon— care they give to patients. the says— care they give to patients. the union says more— care they give to patients. the union says more than nine out of ten nurses raised— union says more than nine out of ten nurses raised concerns that patents— ten nurses raised concerns that patent nay— ten nurses raised concerns that patent may to— ten nurses raised concerns that patients may be receiving unsafe tat— patients may be receiving unsafe tao to— patients may be receiving unsafe care due to their— patients may be receiving unsafe care due to their working conditions— care due to their working conditions ,_ care due to their working conditions , as- care due to their working conditions , as some nurses have conditions, as some nurses have tooorttot— conditions, as some nurses have described. feeling— conditions, as some nurses have described. feeling even suicidal as described. feeling even suicidal at too— described. feeling even suicidal at too teal— described. feeling even suicidal as they deal with— described. feeling even suicidal as they deal with patients in orator— as they deal with patients in corridors, which— as they deal with patients in corridors, which they say downgrades— corridors, which they say downgrades patients . now, downgrades patients. now, a torrnr— downgrades patients. now, a torrnr not— downgrades patients. now, a former met police officer allototly— former met police officer allegedly missed an opportunity to properly— allegedly missed an opportunity to properly invest— allegedly missed an opportunity to properly invest late wayne coaotno— to properly invest late wayne cousins before _ to properly invest late wayne cousins before he murdered sarah notat— cousins before he murdered sarah everard. samantha— cousins before he murdered sarah everard. samantha lee is said to nave— everard. samantha lee is said to late tatlot— everard. samantha lee is said to have failed to— everard. samantha lee is said to have failed to make the correct

tnvootttattvo — have failed to make the correct investigative inquires diaries overtoo— investigative inquires diaries over two incidents when he oxpooot— over two incidents when he exposed himself to female staff at a— exposed himself to female staff at a restaurant— exposed himself to female staff at a restaurant in— exposed himself to female staff at a restaurant in kent. it's olatnot— at a restaurant in kent. it's claimed that— at a restaurant in kent. it's claimed that there were issues nttn — claimed that there were issues nttn nttnooo— claimed that there were issues with witness statements and ovttonoo— with witness statements and evidence and _ with witness statements and evidence and her investing work allototly— evidence and her investing work was allegedly rushed out. ms lee is was allegedly rushed out. ms lee to salt— was allegedly rushed out. ms lee ts salt to— was allegedly rushed out. ms lee is said to have— was allegedly rushed out. ms lee is said to have breached force's stantarts— is said to have breached force's stantarts on— is said to have breached force's standards on duties and responsible— standards on duties and responsible duties, which she tones.— responsible duties, which she tontos. rnt— responsible duties, which she denies. the hearing is expected to last— denies. the hearing is expected to last seen— denies. the hearing is expected to last seven days— denies. the hearing is expected to last seven days as and the pollst— to last seven days as and the police watchdog— to last seven days as and the police watchdog is investigating attor— police watchdog is investigating attor an— police watchdog is investigating attor an n— police watchdog is investigating after an 11 year— police watchdog is investigating after an 11 year old boy was tasorot— after an 11 year old boy was tasorot at— after an 11 year old boy was tasered at a— after an 11 year old boy was tasered at a holiday park in sootlant— tasered at a holiday park in scotlant .— tasered at a holiday park in scotland . police were called to scotland. police were called to a parl— scotland. police were called to a caravan park near ayr just attor— a caravan park near ayr just attor troo— a caravan park near ayr just after 11:00 on— a caravan park near ayr just after 11:00 on march the 22nd. after11:00 on march the 22nd. rnt— after11:00 on march the 22nd. tno toy— after11:00 on march the 22nd. tno toy ano— after11:00 on march the 22nd. the boy who was— after 11:00 on march the 22nd. the boy who was holding a knife fell the boy who was holding a knife tell to— the boy who was holding a knife tell to to— the boy who was holding a knife fell to the ground— the boy who was holding a knife fell to the ground after being tasorot— fell to the ground after being tasorot ty— fell to the ground after being tasered by police . police tasered by police. police sootlant— tasered by police. police scotland say— tasered by police. police scotland say the incident has toen— scotland say the incident has been referred— scotland say the incident has been referred to— scotland say the incident has been referred to the police investigations— been referred to the police investigations and review commissioner— investigations and review commissioner. investigations and review commissioner . royal investigations and review commissioner. royal mail could be commissioner. royal mail could to ttnot— commissioner. royal mail could be fined after— commissioner. royal mail could be fined after failing to meet its be fined after failing to meet tts toltvon— be fined after failing to meet its delivery targets in the last year.— its delivery targets in the last year. onon — its delivery targets in the last year. ofcom says— its delivery targets in the last year. ofcom says the company toll— year. ofcom says the company toll snort— year. ofcom says the company toll snort ot— year. ofcom says the company fell short of its— year. ofcom says the company fell short of its performance targets— fell short of its performance targets tor— fell short of its performance targets for the _ fell short of its performance targets for the first and second class— targets for the first and second class categories— targets for the first and second class categories of mail delivery-—

class categories of mail delivery. the- class categories of mail delivery. the regulator says the pantonts— delivery. the regulator says the pantonto an— delivery. the regulator says the pandemic can no— delivery. the regulator says the pandemic can no longer be cited as an excuse . royal— pandemic can no longer be cited as an excuse . royal mail says as an excuse. royal mail says tnat— as an excuse. royal mail says tnat tnprottnt— as an excuse. royal mail says that improving its quality of strato— that improving its quality of sorttoo ts— that improving its quality of service is now— that improving its quality of service is now a— that improving its quality of service is now a top priority . service is now a top priority. ant— service is now a top priority. ant lastly,— service is now a top priority. and lastly, the— service is now a top priority. and lastly, the average monthly rent— and lastly, the average monthly rent on— and lastly, the average monthly rent on newly— and lastly, the average monthly rent on newly let— and lastly, the average monthly rent on newly let homes across nrttatn— rent on newly let homes across nrttatn nas— rent on newly let homes across britain was £125— rent on newly let homes across britain was £125 higher in april tnan— britain was £125 higher in april tnan lt— britain was £125 higher in april tnan t was— britain was £125 higher in april than it was at— britain was £125 higher in april than it was at the— britain was £125 higher in april than it was at the same time last— than it was at the same time last year. — than it was at the same time last year. that— than it was at the same time last year. that tallies up to an extra— last year. that tallies up to an extra elsoo— last year. that tallies up to an extra £1,500 more— last year. that tallies up to an extra £1,500 more each year , extra £1,500 more each year, aesorttnt— extra £1,500 more each year, aeoorttnt to— extra £1,500 more each year, according to property agent nanptons— according to property agent nanptons ,— according to property agent nanptons , as— according to property agent hamptons , as the average rent hamptons, as the average rent patt— hamptons, as the average rent patt tor— hamptons, as the average rent patt tor newly— hamptons, as the average rent paid for newly let— hamptons, as the average rent paid for newly let homes reached elzoo— paid for newly let homes reached moo a— paid for newly let homes reached over £1,200 a month in april . over £1,200 a month in april. tnat— over £1,200 a month in april. tnat tttare— over £1,200 a month in april. that figure being— over £1,200 a month in april. that figure being a new high. tnose— that figure being a new high. tnose are— that figure being a new high. those are your— that figure being a new high. those are your latest news stones— those are your latest news stones yoae— those are your latest news stories you're up to date on tv enltne— stories you're up to date on tv enltne patt— stories you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in online dab+ radio and the tune tn app.— online dab+ radio and the tune tn app. tnts— online dab+ radio and the tune tn app. tnts ts— online dab+ radio and the tune tn app. tnts ts en— online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news, nttatn-s— in app. this is gb news, britain's news- in app. this is gb news, britain's news .

britain's news. channel |tnanls— britain's news. channel l thanks for- britain's news. channel i thanks for that,- britain's news. channel. - thanks for that, polly. britain's news. channel thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry with the tories alongside joe tories seven. alongside me, joe phillips, the political commentator, and conor tomlinson, the writer and podcast host . what about you podcast host. what about you guys home? joining the guys at home? joining the conversation tonight gb views at gb news. .uk is my email or you can tweet me at gb news before i get into the whole menu of topics for tonight, though, i just want to ask you excuse my kind of scrunched version kind of scrunched up version of this because couldn't walk this because i couldn't walk past it on my way in. did you see this image over the weekend? absolutely. it just incredible. amazing. i tweeted it out earlier on as well. it was the marathon scene at the weekend where the friend of rob burrows carried him over the finishing line. it really did touch me , of line. it really did touch me, of course, for motor neurone disease, awful cruel disease . disease, awful cruel disease. and it was just a heartwarming image. if you haven't seen that footage , you know, i implore you footage, you know, i implore you to check it out because huge respect for all of them. quite frankly, the work they're doing to raise awareness that to raise awareness of that condition . an wish them all condition. an i wish them all the very best. michelle. thank

you, joe. hey, pals, everybody, look at this. we're getting off. we're starting the show off agreeing . joe no, but that is agreeing. joe no, but that is anaztnt— agreeing. joe no, but that is anaztnt. l— agreeing. joe no, but that is amazing. i mean,— legit; a; joe no, but that is amazing. i mean, that is. and i tntnl— amazing. i mean, that is. and i tntnl tt-s— amazing. i mean, that is. and i think it's kevin's— amazing. i mean, that is. and i think it's kevin's seinfeld, tsn-t— think it's kevin's seinfeld, tsn-t rte— think it's kevin's seinfeld, isn't it? yeah.— think it's kevin's seinfeld, isn't it? yeah. who's who has tone— isn't it? yeah. who's who has tone so— isn't it? yeah. who's who has done so much— isn't it? yeah. who's who has done so much to— isn't it? yeah. who's who has done so much to raise hundreds of done so much to raise hundreds ot—ot— done so much to raise hundreds ot—ot poants- done so much to raise hundreds ot—ot poants .- done so much to raise hundreds of-of pounds. it's. of thousands of pounds. it's really— of thousands of pounds. it's really notnt— of thousands of pounds. it's really moving . _ of thousands of pounds. it's really moving . ' t: c really moving. i know. and it is. it is. it is just such an incredible story. i mean, you know, there's been documentary and things done on on rob and his family and they're just such an incredible family. his kids came out to the line. his wife did it as well. and it's just so heartwarming. i'll shut up because i'll burst into tears. i'm so rubbish at stuff like this. honestly, i'll cry, isn't it? it is. it's friendship. it's such matter. and we such an important matter. and we all politically and all fall out politically and disagree with some of the stuff. and us struggle in life and lots of us struggle in life and the of it. and and all the rest of it. and sometimes you see something, it stops tracks and stops you in your tracks and just you kind of reflect just makes you kind of reflect on life anyway, proud of all on life anyway, so proud of all of them. i think they're of them. and i think they're doing work in raising doing great work in raising awareness as well. right. let's talk politics, though , shall we? talk politics, though, shall we? let's on, you'll indulge

let's move on, if you'll indulge me that. the secretary me with that. the home secretary suella braverman, course, suella braverman, of course, she's speaking at the she's been speaking at the national conference national conservatism conference . us. it's a big get together here in london. it was opened this morning by jacob rees—mogg. he was criticised in the government basically for not being enough on being ambitious enough on brexit. went into child care brexit. he went into child care as , saying that the as well, saying that the provisions, extended provisions, the extended provisions, the extended provisions last budget, provisions in the last budget, so—called anti conservative connor , you was actually there connor, you was actually there at that conference come fresh from it. yeah what were you doing there? oh, just speaking. observing. having a chat. yeah tntoytnt— observing. having a chat. yeah tntoytnt all— observing. having a chat. yeah tntoytnt all tne— 9 having a chat. yeah enjoying all the guests i have a eoaple— enjoying all the guests i have a eoaple ot— enjoying all the guests i have a couple of friends— enjoying all the guests i have a couple of friends in the sphere ano— couple of friends in the sphere wno wee— couple of friends in the sphere who were on panels, so they aetaally— who were on panels, so they aetaally tot— who were on panels, so they aetaally got a— who were on panels, so they actually got a very warm reeeptton— actually got a very warm reception compared to suella braverman . so— reception compared to suella braverman . so it— reception compared to suella braverman . so it was quite braverman. so it was quite tnteresttnt— braverman. so it was quite interesting to— braverman. so it was quite interesting to watch the first natt— interesting to watch the first nalt ot— interesting to watch the first nalt ot tne — interesting to watch the first half of the day.— interesting to watch the first half of the day. it was opened by rattan— half of the day. it was opened by miriam cates_ half of the day. it was opened by miriam cates as well, who is pretty— by miriam cates as well, who is pretty nast— by miriam cates as well, who is pretty much from _ by miriam cates as well, who is pretty much from my side of the spnere— pretty much from my side of the sphere backbencher of the year, pantealarly— sphere backbencher of the year, particularly her— sphere backbencher of the year, particularly her recent proposal to say— particularly her recent proposal to say-snoalt— particularly her recent proposal to say should empower mothers to say we should empower mothers to say we should empower mothers to-to— to say we should empower mothers to-to-none- to say we should empower mothers to-to-none ant- to be able to stay at home and twe— to be able to stay at home and owe tnetr— to be able to stay at home and give their kids— to be able to stay at home and give their kids the— to be able to stay at home and give their kids the quality give their kids the best quality of give their kids the best quality ot-tnt— give their kids the best quality ot-tnt-wnat- give their kids the best quality of-and-what she. give their kids the best quality of and what she was of life. and that's what she was nttttnt— of life. and that's what she was

nttttnt-tnt— of life. and that's what she was hitting .and then _ of life. and that's what she was hitting-and then it- of life. and that's what she was hitting and then it went hitting on. and then it went tron— hitting on. and then it went tron tnat— hitting on. and then it went from that to— hitting on. and then it went from that to a— hitting on. and then it went from that to a discussion about nttatn— from that to a discussion about britain biopolitical britain in the biopolitical age ant— britain in the biopolitical age and—increasinglyl and how we are increasingly seetnt— and how we are increasingly seetnt tne— and how we are increasingly seeing the state— and how we are increasingly seeing the state intervene in lwes— seeing the state intervene in lwes to— seeing the state intervene in our lives to give— seeing the state intervene in our lives to give us more and tn terns— our lives to give us more and more in terms of— our lives to give us more and more in terms of benefits, but male— more in terms of benefits, but make as— more in terms of benefits, but make as less— more in terms of benefits, but make us less connected to each otter.— make us less connected to each other. atomising_ make us less connected to each other. atomising ourselves from a-ot— other. atomising ourselves from a-ot eonnantty- a sense of community and anterttrttnt— a sense of community and. undergirding_was undergirding all of that was the tea— undergirding all of that was the ttea tnat— undergirding all of that was the idea that liberalism has gone too-was— idea that liberalism has gone too-was-wasl too far. that was that was pretty— too far. that was that was pretty everyone's opinion pretty much everyone's opinion tnat—asl that that they've promised us natetal— that that they've promised us material—our. material prosperity. but our ltwes— material prosperity. but our lwes nave— material prosperity. but our lives have less— material prosperity. but our lives have less meaning than even-tast— lives have less meaning than ever.-back after- lives have less meaning than ever. back after the break. ever. came back after the break. saella—tn- suella braverman came in and i ton-t— suella braverman came in and i ton-t want— suella braverman came in and i ton-t want to— suella braverman came in and i don't want to say— suella braverman came in and i don't want to say she went down tte— don't want to say she went down ltle-eolt— don't want to say she went down like-cold sick- don't want to say she went down like cold sick because like a cup of cold sick because tnat— like a cup of cold sick because tnat was— like a cup of cold sick because tnat a— like a cup of cold sick because that was a bit— like a cup of cold sick because that was a bit severe. but she starts— that was a bit severe. but she starts as— that was a bit severe. but she starts as my— that was a bit severe. but she stans as my sap— that was a bit severe. but she starts as my cup of tea thati someone _earlier starts as my cup of tea that- someone _earlier on. someone brought me earlier on. if someone brought me earlier on. lt-neart— someone brought me earlier on. lt-neart ne— someone brought me earlier on. if- heard me whinging- someone brought me earlier on. | if-heard me whinging about if you'd heard me whinging about that, i think she had slightly more strength than that, particularly dealing with the particularly in dealing with the protest. but she off protest. but but she came off ant— protest. but but she came off ant-tat— protest. but but she came off ant-tat sne— protest. but but she came off and-bat she was- but but she came off and bat she was talking and off the bat she was talking atoat— and off the bat she was talking about conservatism in about how conservatism in nttatn— about how conservatism in britain equality of britain means equality of opponantty— britain means equality of opportunity, liberal values, and tnat— opportunity, liberal values, and tnat-to— opportunity, liberal values, and tnat-tolltnt- opportunity, liberal values, and that-tolkind of- that we speak to a kind of artersal— that we speak to a kind of universal sense- that we speak to a kind of universal sense of what being a nanan— universal sense of what being a nanan telne— universal sense of what being a human being really and human being really is. and it was—because. human being really is. and iti was—because it's was felt with that because it's not— was felt with that because it's not conservatism,— was felt with that because it's not conservatism, it's liberalism. - not conservatism, it's liberalism. and what's happened is liberalism. and what's happened ts—olay- is people have said, okay, liberalism,— is people have said, okay, libethe;m,_ is people have said, okay, libethe;m,-to- is people have said, okay,- libethe;m,-to-problems not the answer to the problems tnat— not the answer to the problems that liberalism _ not the answer to the problems that liberalism created . and that liberalism has created. and tnat— that liberalism has created. and tnat-yoa-re— that liberalism has created. and that-you're saying-

that liberalism has created. and that bravermane saying that liberalism has created. and that braverman is;aying that liberalism has created. and that braverman is not|g that liberalism has created. and that braverman is not tory suella braverman is not tory enoatne— suella braverman is not tory enoatne — suella braverman is not tory enough? yeah.— suella braverman is not tory enough? / suella braverman is not tory enough? “in?" suella braverman is not tory enough? 43?" enough? yeah. cool. blimey, joe, your thoughts? well, i think let-s— your thoughts? well, i think let-s pat— your thoughts? well, i think let-s pat tnts— your thoughts? well, i think let's put this into— ” 3“ well, i think let's put this into context trst— let's put this into context ttrst ant— let's put this into context first and correct me if i'm wrong— first and correct me if i'm wont-ts— first and correct me if i'm wrong,-is it's- first and correct me if i'm wrong, is it's not wrong, this is it's not a conservative- wrong, this is it's not a conservative party conference. to,— conservative party conference. to, tt-s— conservative party conference. to, tt-s an— conservative party conference. to, tt-s ty— conservative party conference. no, it's run by an— conservative party conference. no, it's run by an american. tntnl— no, it's run by an american. tntnl tann— no, it's run by an american. think tank, the— no, it's run by an american. think tank, the edmund burke lnstttate— think tank, the edmund burke lnstttate .— think tank, the edmund burke institute , which— think tank, the edmund burke institute , which and a lot of institute, which and a lot of tnts— institute, which and a lot of we son— institute, which and a lot of we sort ot— institute, which and a lot of this sort of quite— institute, which and a lot of this sort of quite religious, cntsttan— this sort of quite religious, christian fundamental until the rattan— christian fundamental until the miriam coates_ christian fundamental until the miriam coates stuff, you know, yaeot— miriam coates stuff, you know, jacob rees—mogg. so suggesting nayte— jacob rees—mogg. so suggesting nayte tnat,— jacob rees—mogg. so suggesting nayte tnat, yoa— jacob rees—mogg. so suggesting maybe that, you know people women should— maybe that, you know people women should stay at home and tool— women should stay at home and loot atter— women should stay at home and look after their— women should stay at home and look after their children rather tnan— look after their children rather tnan ae— look after their children rather than use childcare and miriam cates— than use childcare and miriam cates totnt— than use childcare and miriam cates totnt on— than use childcare and miriam cates going on about sex etaeatton— cates going on about sex education in— cates going on about sex education in schools. it's fine. if education in schools. it's fine. lt l— education in schools. it's fine. lt l was— education in schools. it's fine. if i was running— education in schools. it's fine. if i was running the conservative party, which is pretty— conservative party, which is pretty unlikely,— conservative party, which is pretty unlikely, having done so ttsastroasly— pretty unlikely, having done so disastrously badly in the local electrons— disastrously badly in the local elections, i'd— disastrously badly in the local elections, i'd actually want to sit elections, i'd actually want to stt town — elections, i'd actually want to sit down with— elections, i'd actually want to sit down with my— elections, i'd actually want to sit down with my party, my rnernerst ny— sit down with my party, my members, my colleagues and say , members, my colleagues and say, right— members, my colleagues and say, tttnt, wnat— members, my colleagues and say, tttnt, wnat are— members, my colleagues and say, right, what are we— members, my colleagues and say, right, what are we getting totte— right, what are we getting ttnte wnat— right, what are we getting right? what are we getting wronge— right? what are we getting wrong? because clear albie tney-re— wrong? because clear albie

tney-re not— wrong? because clear albie they're not getting through to they're not getting through to the electorate. _ they're not getting through to the electorate. they certainly werent— the electorate. they certainly werent tn— the electorate. they certainly weren't in the— the electorate. they certainly weren't in the local elections ant— weren't in the local elections ant tney— weren't in the local elections ant tney weep— weren't in the local elections and they keep reheating and renasn— and they keep reheating and renasn twe— and they keep reheating and rehash ing things that aren't really— rehash ing things that aren't really policies.— rehash ing things that aren't really policies. they're just anto— really policies. they're just random things,— really policies. they're just random things, you know, saltwat— random things, you know, cultural wars,— random things, you know, cultural wars, wars on woke saella — cultural wars, wars on woke suella braverman talking about tnnttratton— suella braverman talking about immigration yet— suella braverman talking about immigration yet again. but those tntnts— immigration yet again. but those tntnts are— immigration yet again. but those tntnts very— immigration yet again. but those things are very you'll call them ant — things are very you'll call them random issues. _ things are very you'll call them random issues. "can at; trig random issues. they are very important. they're not a lot of people. sorry. hang on hang on. eatstte— people. sorry. hang on hang on. eatstte tne— people. sorry. hang on hang on. outside the base— sorry. hang on hang on. outside the base though, like you— outside the base though, like yoa ton-t— outside the base though, like you don't actually know what the eonsewattwe— you don't actually know what the conservative base _ you don't actually know what the conservative base care about. ant— conservative base care about. ant-tne— conservative base care about. and-the primary- conservative base care about. and the primary issue. and that is the primary issue. tne— and that is the primary issue. rte—tase- and that is the primary issue. rte—tease tave- and that is the primary issue. the—base gave us. the conservative base gave us. liz , which cost all of us liz truss, which cost all of us an awful lot of money. it's just not true, though, _ an awful lot of money. it's just not true, though, because - not true, though, because well, it not true, though, because well, tt ts. — not true, though, because well, tt ts. ts— not true, though, because well, tt ts. ltz-was— not true, though, because well, it is. liz-was not- not true, though, because well, it is. liz was not solely it is. liz truss was not solely responsttle— it is. liz truss was not solely responsible-the- it is. liz truss was not solely responsible the economic responsible for the economic east— responsible for the economic crash. -market. - responsible for the economic- crash. -market. .the crash. the bond market. no, the pont— crash. the bond market. no, the tont—atoat- crash. the bond market. no, the bond—about to- bond market was about to collapse— bond market was about to collapse right— bond market was about to collapse right before it nappenet— collapse right before it happened and they blamed it on the happened and they blamed it on tteltaw— happened and they blamed it on tteltaw-tn— happened and they blamed it on tneltaw-tn ty- the 1% tax, voted in by conservative- the 1% tax, voted in by conservative members opposed the 1% tax, voted in by co rishiative members opposed the 1% tax, voted in by co rishi sunak. nbers opposed the 1% tax, voted in by co rishi sunak. well, opposed the 1% tax, voted in by— co rishi sunak. well, heopposed the 1% tax, voted in by— co rishi sunak. well, he wastsed to rishi sunak. well, he was voted conservative voted in by tory conservative mps , the membership. but the mps, the membership. but the point is you look at the results in dover, for instance, which is at line of the small at the front line of the small boats, that area, same as thanet

craig mckinley, was on patrick's program just a little while ago. those places both voted out conservative councils and voted in labour. it is not what people are talking about on the doorstep . so what i'm saying, doorstep. so what i'm saying, and you're right, it was a turnout. that's what i was about to say— turnout. that's what i was about to say tease— turnout. that's what i was about to say because about— turnout. that's what i was about to say because about 6- that's what i was about to say because about 6 in 10 voters— to say because about 6 in 10 votes tor— to say because about 6 in 10 voters for boris,— to say because about 6 in 10 voters for boris, i— to say because about 6 in 10 voters for boris, i don't know, off voters for boris, i don't know, ott tne— voters for boris, i don't know, ott tne top— voters for boris, i don't know, ott tne top ot— voters for boris, i don't know, off the top of my— voters for boris, i don't know, off the top of my head, i don't know— off the top of my head, i don't know michelle,— off the top of my head, i don't know michelle, but i think it was around about 30, which is atoat— was around about 30, which is atoat-tor— was around about 30, which is about-for local- about average for local elections. _ about average for local elections. but- about average for local elections. ”cl about average for local elections. ”c: ”cl elections. but you're you're right up to point, conor, right up to a point, conor, that, yes, it is conservative, but why they but that's why i think they shouldn't doing it in public, shouldn't be doing it in public, because don't is because i don't think this is helping them. you know, have a conference by means, discuss conference by all means, discuss all ideas, political all these ideas, all political parties think tanks. you parties do think tanks. do you know are conferences know there are conferences like this place? i shall this all over the place? i shall be at in june in york. you be at one in june in york. you know, there are lots of places for these things, but i think everything toxic. and everything is so very toxic. and what think we're seeing is what i think we're seeing is a manoeuvring as to who's going to take over from rishi sunak. well, you was there. do you think it well, you was there. do you tntnl t was— well, you was there. do you think it was toxic? - well, you was there. do you think it was toxic? no,- well, you was there. do you think it was toxic? no, it was

very— think it was toxic? no, it was very constructive, actually. and i think the reason you think it's toxic is because for the last 30, 40 years, there's been a neoliberal blairite consensus paradigm in paradigm where we're moving in one both parties paradigm where we're moving in one bought both parties paradigm where we're moving in one bought onto both parties paradigm where we're moving in one bought onto it.tth parties paradigm where we're moving in one bought onto it. they'rees have bought onto it. they're just over speed of just arguing over the speed of travel. that's why within the tent among of the tent and even among some of the mps, they were saying, our party is pretty much indistinguishable from terms from the labour party in terms of want go. it's of where we want to go. it's just much want to spend just how much we want to spend getting there. and so i'm not surprised think that surprised that you think that this inappropriate or toxic this is inappropriate or toxic because you're part of that consensus. that are consensus. the people that are at want at that conference want a radically different view. you don't what i'm of don't know what i'm part of aetaally—notl actually, formally, i'm not a metal— actually, formally, i'm not a liberal democrat. right? i was. ves— liberal democrat. right? i was. ves tn— liberal democrat. right? i was. ves tn not— liberal democrat. right? i was. yes i'm not member of the yes i'm not a member of the conservative— yes i'm not a member of the conservative-or- conservative party or immigration. 't: conservative party or immigration. t: conservative party or- immigration. and the culture wars chief concerns, wars are not chief concerns, whereas they whereas they're not for us. they definitely you within definitely are for you within the a small part of the the within a small part of the conservative party. i think you overstate it how small it actually is, and i think that's why many people checking why many people are checking out of don't of politics because they don't feel represented feel substantially represented by that are in by the members that are in westminster. but what's westminster. but but what's nappentnt—ts- westminster. but but what's nappentnt—ts noti happening is that this is not nelptnt— happening is that this is not nelptnt tne— happening is that this is not helping the conservative party. seet— helping the conservative party. see, ty— helping the conservative party. see, by seetnt—

helping the conservative party. see, by seeing whether this is a tanner— see, by seeing whether this is a move further to— see, by seeing whether this is a move further to the right, who te— move further to the right, who can be more right— move further to the right, who can be more right wing than the next— can be more right wing than the next tote— can be more right wing than the next tote — can be more right wing than the next lot can— can be more right wing than the next lot? can i— can be more right wing than the next lot? can i just— can be more right wing than the next lot? ct?" ff next lot? can i just check what do you call right wing? because what we were just talking about a second ago is incentivise buying family units. were buying family units. we were talking about people doing entry level jobs. in some cases, when perhaps they're currently not incentivised to go out and work. so those kind of things, managing your borders, what do you wing? you determine to be right wing? well, i think things like, you know,— well, i think things like, you know, extending— well, i think things like, you know, extending child care and saytnt— know, extending child care and saying anti—conservative saying that's anti—conservative . nat— saying that's anti—conservative . tat wa— saying that's anti—conservative . tat tt— saying that's anti—conservative . but was it but— saying that's anti—conservative . but was it but wasn't- saying that's anti—conservative . but was it but wasn't he saying because so what you're doing specifically for jeremy hunt is you're making it so that motherhood is an enterprise that must the state's gdp must register on the state's gdp balance no money balance sheet because no money is changing hands. it means the graph— is changing hands. it means the trapn toesn-t— is changing hands. it means the trapn toesn-tlap— is changing hands. it means the graph doesn't-up year- is changing hands. it means the graph doesn't-up year on- graph doesn't go up year on year.— graph doesn't go up year on yeah-because- graph doesn't go up year on- year.-because-because year. and because they because tney— year. and because they because they—incentivise. they can't actually incentivise tantltes— they can't actually incentivise families,.has_ they can't actually incentivise families, has pushed down immigration has pushed down reasons for innovation in teennoloty— reasons for innovation in technology, we're not actually reasons for innovation in technolpropere're not actually reasons for innovation in technol proper sustainable ally getting proper sustainable . economic—instead getting proper sustainable econontrying instead getting proper sustainable econontrying to instead getting proper sustainable econontrying to bringnstead getting proper sustainable econontrying to bringnstea(and they're trying to bring more and more—in-thingsl more enterprises in the things tnat— more enterprises in the things tnat-pat— more enterprises in the things tnat-pat on- more enterprises in the things tnat-pat on a- more enterprises in the things that put on a sheet. that they can put on a sheet. ant— that they can put on a sheet. and -conservative - and it's not conservative tease— and it's not conservative- teeaase—olay because it doesn't say, okay, wnat-s— because it doesn't say, okay, wnat-s test— because it doesn't say, okay, what's best-the - because it doesn't say, okay, what's best the child. it what's best for the child. it says— what's best for the child. it says wnat-s—

what's best for the child. it says what's best- what's best for the child. it says what's best for the government _ says what's best for the government and their spreadsheets. right what do spreadsheets. right so what do you spreadsheets. right so what do yoa-tnat— spreadsheets. right so what do you that women should stay you think that women should stay at look children? at home and look after children? yes yes. but that's really if tney— yes yes. but that's really if tney nave— “lit; “lit; but that's really if they have children. jtzzt yes yes. but that's really if- they have-children. do you they have the children. do you know— they have the children. do you know-were— they have the children. do you know-were tn— they have the children. do you know we're in 2023? they have the children. do you know -we're in 2023? i. they have the children. do you. know -we're in 2023? i don't know what we're in 2023? i don't care current year. care about current year. i ton-t.— care about current year. i ton-t. tn— care about current year. i don't. i'm sorry. i don't it toesn-t— don't. i'm sorry. i don't it doesn't matter. " doesn't matter. this is what's worrying that this this this worrying that this is this this american import, not american american import, not an american import. you've you've import. hang on. you've you've got no, no. fundamental stay got no, no, no. fundamental stay at motherhood. you like. at home motherhood. if you like. the of is on you the burden of proof is on you tease— the burden of proof is on you because-mass— the burden of proof is on you because mass day—care because the mass day—care tntastry— because the mass day—care tntastryla— because the mass day—care industry-a recent- because the mass day—care industry a recent innovation industry is a recent innovation versasarnan-n— industry is a recent innovationi versus-human-have versus how human beings have teen— versus how human beings have been biologically— been biologically and historically- been biologically and historically raised and what's test— historically raised and what's test-entlt. — historically raised and what's best-child. great- best for the child. great example.— best for the child. great example-a- best for the child. great example. a meta best for the child. great- example.-a meta analysis example. there's a meta analysis of example. there's a meta analysis ot—yet— example. there's a meta analysis ot—yet .— example. there's a meta analysis ot—yet . l— example. there's a meta analysis ot—yet . l really- of children not yet. i really love— of children not yet. i really love to.— of children not yet. i really love to. l— of children not yet. i really love to. i really— of children not yet. i really love to. i really would. and yoa-ll— love to. i really would. and yoa-ll expect— love to. i really would. and you'll expect your partner, if sne-s— you'll expect your partner, if- sne-s—none she's a woman, to stay at home ant— she's a woman, to stay at home ant loot— she's a woman, to stay at home ant loot-tne— she's a woman, to stay at home and look the children. and look after the children. tne— and look after the children. the partner— and look after the children. the partner l— and look after the children. the partner i would- and look after the children. the partner i would pick- and look after the children. the partner i would pick would want to stay at home with today. okay. you and okay. yes. michelle, you and i should because clearly should go home because clearly we i'm not saying we shouldn't. i'm not saying women shouldn't— : " c i'm not saying women shouldn't work because tnat-s— women shouldn't work because tnat-s-ne— women shouldn't work because that's-he said.- women shouldn't work because that's he said. and that's not what he said. and i do that's not what he said. and i to past— that's not what he said. and i to past want— that's not what he said. and i do just want to _ that's not what he said. and i do just want to come in here. so tn— do just want to come in here. so tn-a— do just want to come in here. so tn-a two— do just want to come in here. so tn-a two year- do just want to come in here. so i'm -a two year old. . do just want to come in here. so i'm a two year old. my i'm a mom of a two year old. my _ i'm a mom of a two year old. my ts— i'm a mom of a two year old. my ts-tnts— i'm a mom of a two year old. my view is,-this and— i'm a mom of a two year old. my view is,-this and i— i'm a mom of a two year old. my view is, this and i work view is, no, this and i work tall— view is, no, this and i work tall tne— view is, no, this and i work full time and— view is, no, this and i work full time and i— view is, no, this and i work full time and i want to work. it toesn-t— full time and i want to work. it toesn-t male— full time and i want to work. it doesn't make me— full time and i want to work. it

doesn't make me less committed to my— doesn't make me less committed to ny-l-n— doesn't make me less committed to ny-tn a— doesn't make me less committed to ny-tn a very— doesn't make me less committed to my i'm a very committed to my son. i'm a very committed ant— to my son. i'm a very committed nrnat-n— to my son. i'm a very committed and-mom,-that's- to my son. i'm a very committed and-mom,-that's myi and loving mom, and that's my stone.— and loving mom, and that's my stone-l— and loving mom, and that's my enoteell to— and loving mom, and that's my choice. i do recognise choice. but i do recognise aetaally— choice. but i do recognise actually-there- actually that there are a collection _ actually that there are a collection of _ actually that there are a collection of women that want to stay— collection of women that want to stay at— collection of women that want to stay at none— collection of women that want to stay at home and— collection of women that want to stay at home and i— collection of women that want to stay at home and i do think aetaally— stay at home and i do think aetaally-as— stay at home and i do think actually as women, you actually that as women, you know,— actually that as women, you know,-youngish- actually that as women, you know,-youngish i'm know, i am a youngish woman. i'm not-as— know, i am a youngish woman. i'm not-as yoa,— know, i am a youngish woman. i'm not-as yoa, tat- know, i am a youngish woman. i'm not-as yoa, tat tn- know, i am a youngish woman. i'm not-as you, but i'm a- not as young as you, but i'm a yoanttsn— not as young as you, but i'm a youngish woman— not as young as you, but i'm a youngish woman and i do think tnere-s— youngish woman and i do think tnere-s pan— youngish woman and i do think tnere-s pan ot— youngish woman and i do think there's part of my— youngish woman and i do think there's part of my generation tnat— there's part of my generation tnat nas— there's part of my generation that has been— there's part of my generation that has been your equals. that has been sold your equals. toa— that has been sold your equals. you-wot,— that has been sold your equals. you-wot, yoa- that has been sold your equals. you-work, you can- that has been sold your equals. you work, you can put off you can go work, you can put off navtnt— you can go work, you can put off navtnt-ltts— you can go work, you can put off having-kids until- you can go work, you can put off having kids until you're in having your kids until you're in war— having your kids until you're in yoar—yoa-ve- having your kids until you're in yoar—yoa-ve tot| your 40s, and then you've got tnts— your 40s, and then you've got this-collection- your 40s, and then you've got this-collection of- your 40s, and then you've got this collection of women your 40s, and then you've got this have collection of women your 40s, and then you've got this have gonezction of women your 40s, and then you've got this have gone out n of women your 40s, and then you've got this have gone out there. omen that have gone out there. tney-ve— that have gone out there. they've strived- that have gone out there. they've strived to be equal to tnt— they've strived to be equal to ant no— they've strived to be equal to men. and now it's— they've strived to be equal to men. and now it's catching up wttn— men. and now it's catching up with-because— men. and now it's catching up with because they're with them because they're nttttnt — hitting their 40s. they can't get— hitting their 40s. they can't get pregnant,— hitting their 40s. they can't get pregnant, they're struggling-- get pregnant, they're struggling. so i do think aetaally— struggling. so i do think actually some times, actually sometimes, particularly- actually some times, particularly religion, i'm not reltttoas— particularly religion, i'm not religious for— particularly religion, i'm not religious for the— particularly religion, i'm not religious for the record, so i ton-t— religious for the record, so i ton-t want— religious for the record, so i don't want to _ religious for the record, so i don't want to mis mischaracterise myself, but don't want to mis— mischaracterise myself, but i do teet— mischaracterise myself, but i do teel a— mischaracterise myself, but i do teel a ltttle— mischaracterise myself, but i do feel a little bit— mischaracterise myself, but i do feel a little bit like traditional- feel a little bit like traditional christian values, traditional— traditional christian values, traditional family units. they are traditional family units. they tte— traditional family units. they are like, look— traditional family units. they are like, look down on a little bit are like, look down on a little ttt almost— are like, look down on a little bit almost for— are like, look down on a little bit almost for the _ are like, look down on a little bit almost for the this poisoned enaltee— bit almost for the this poisoned enaltee ot— bit almost for the this poisoned chalice of equality and all of tne— chalice of equality and all of tne rest— chalice of equality and all of tne rest ot— chalice of equality and all of the rest of it.— chalice of equality and all of the rest of it. so— chalice of equality and all of the rest of it. so i'm keen that we ton-t— the rest of it. so i'm keen that we ton-t ltnt— the rest of it. so i'm keen that we don't kind of— the rest of it. so i'm keen that we don't kind of dumbed down one stte— we don't kind of dumbed down one stte ot— we don't kind of dumbed down one stte ot tt— we don't kind of dumbed down one stte ot tt tn— we don't kind of dumbed down one side of it in order— we don't kind of dumbed down one

side of it in order to— we don't kind of dumbed down one side of it in order to elevate tease— side of it in order to elevate because they're _ side of it in order to elevate because they're all different. to.— because they're all different. to. ant— because they're all different. to. ant l— because they're all different. to. ant l ant— because they're all different. no. and i and i— because they're all different. no. and i and i completely take the point and people should have the point and people should have the choice, but they shouldn't be prevented from having that choice. you seeking choice. and but are you seeking to prevent. so if i was i mean, tn— to prevent. so if i was i mean, l-n-totnt— to prevent. so if i was i mean, l-n-totnt to— to prevent. so if i was i mean, tn-totnt to marry- so if i was i mean, i'm going to marry you. i'm not going to marry you. sorry— i'm not going to marry you. sorry-treat— i'm not going to marry you. sorry-break your- i'm not going to marry you. sorry break your heart. and sorry to break your heart. and tn — sorry to break your heart. and tn sae— sorry to break your heart. and i'm sure utterly— sorry to break your heart. and i'm sure utterly gutted. but if sorry to break your heart. and i'if sure utterly gutted. but if sorry to break your heart. and i'if i;ure utterly gutted. but if sorry to break your heart. and i'if i wasutterly gutted. but if sorry to break your heart. and i'if i was married utted. but if sorry to break your heart. and i'if i was married to ed. but if sorry to break your heart. and i'if i was married to yoqut if sorry to break your heart. and i'if i was married to you andf i if i was married to you and i sat— i if i was married to you and i salt to— i if i was married to you and i salt to yoa— i if i was married to you and i said to you actually, albie, tve — said to you actually, albie, tve tot— said to you actually, albie, tve tot tnts— said to you actually, albie, i've got this great opportunity presentet— i've got this great opportunity presented myself and i want presented to myself and i want to—taltl— presented to myself and i want to—taltl n.- presented to myself and i want to _fulfil it. would. to go out and fulfil it. would you— to go out and fulfil it. would yoalsaytnt— to go out and fulfil it. would yoalsaytnt to— to go out and fulfil it. would you-saying to me- to go out and fulfil it. would you saying to me as your you be saying to me as your wtte— you be saying to me as your we to,— you be saying to me as your we to, stay— you be saying to me as your. wife, no, stay-raise wife, no, stay home and raise yoar— wife, no, stay home and raise yoar-t— wife, no, stay home and raise yoar-t woalt- wife, no, stay home and raise your i would hope that your child? i would hope that you— your child? i would hope that yoa—to— your child? i would hope that yoa—to stay- your child? i would hope that you—to stay and you would want to stay home and tase— you would want to stay home and raise-children— you would want to stay home and raise-children more.- you would want to stay home and raise children more. raise the children more. so a treat— raise the children more. so a great example— raise the children more. so a great example as— raise the children more. so a great example as to - raise the children more. so a great example as to why there's a meta analysis in science. i can't remember which magazine it might me, i'll might science. check me, i'll post afterwards on twitter. post it afterwards on twitter. they at cortisol they looked at blood cortisol rates for children were rates for children who were raised with their raised at home with their parents day—care they raised at home with their parerput day—care they raised at home with their parerput in day—care they raised at home with their parerput in with ay—care they raised at home with their parerput in with theirtre they were put in with their grandparents. was part grandparents. it was only part time where was this study done and years and how and over how many years and how many? a meta analysis. many? it was a meta analysis. i'll post the link afterwards. right. off the top of my right. so just off the top of my head, can't remember the exact head, i can't remember the exact number, at number, but they looked at a bunch different countries and bunch of different countries and day—care settings and they found

that levels for that blood cortisol levels for children that were put in day—care from early childhood. their rates stress hormone their rates of stress hormone remained high throughout their adolescence, remained high throughout their adolesbabies were kept at home where babies were kept at home dropped course of the dropped over the course of the day they had close day because they had close contact with their mother specifically. small specifically. it's just small things people things like that that people well, how is it that well, okay, then how is it that well, okay, then how is it that we and we've discussed this we are and we've discussed this on before, how is on this program before, how is it that know a fact that it that we know for a fact that young children, little children who were kept from who were kept away from nurseries interaction nurseries and interaction during covid lockdown are now covid and lockdown are now really not just at really struggling, not just at school and in reception, but also in in the day—care, the nursery setting, because they haven't been sharing , they haven't been sharing, they haven't been sharing, they haven't been sharing, they haven't been interacting, they haven't been interacting, they haven't touching people. haven't been touching people. so doesn't actually make so that doesn't actually make a lot ot— so that doesn't actually make a lot ot sense— so that doesn't actually make a lot of sense. i— so that doesn't actually make a lot of sense. i can— so that doesn't actually make a lot of sense. i can answer that. eat— lot of sense. i can answer that. tat tat— lot of sense. i can answer that. tat tat tne— lot of sense. i can answer that. but but the other— lot of sense. i can answer that. but but the other thing is. let me— but but the other thing is. let me answer that— but but the other thing is. let me answer that one. okay but but the me answer that one. okay but but tne otter— me answer that one. okay but but tne otner tntnt— me answer that one. okay but but the other thing about childcare oare-tnat— the other thing about childcare care .that-people- the other thing about childcare care that people cannot care is that most people cannot attort— care is that most people cannot attort-a— care is that most people cannot afford-a mortgage- care is that most people cannot afford a mortgage rent afford to pay a mortgage or rent on last— afford to pay a mortgage or rent on last one— afford to pay a mortgage or rent on just one salary. _ afford to pay a mortgage or rent on just one salary. legit; on just one salary. i agree. the entire economic system is terrible at the moment and it disincentivizes you having a family. about of family. that's why about 80% of the women childless by the women who are childless by the women who are childless by the they cannot have them the time they cannot have them actually they wanted

actually said they wanted children in their children at one point in their life, never found life, but they never found the right partner or economics right partner or the economics never up. it's not because never lined up. it's not because of infertility them of infertility or them not wanting children, so all the economic are against economic incentives are against it, particularly for my generation. on the generation. it's awful. on the first reason first point, part of the reason of that because we've of that is because we've outsourced for so long the ability for parents to raise their and educate their children and also educate them. the state them. because of the state education most parents education system, most parents are to homeschool, are not equipped to homeschool, but parents drop the but lots of parents drop the ball they ball and they didn't they weren't didn't feel they weren't they didn't feel they weren't they didn't feel they were capable of providing the same as same level of education as a strict so of course, strict curriculum. so of course, it's to be difficult for it's going to be difficult for parents have learned parents now who have learned a completely different way to go parents now who have learned a compsticking fferent way to go parents now who have learned a compsticking theirlt way to go parents now who have learned a compsticking their kidsy to go parents now who have learned a compsticking their kids ino go from sticking their kids in a nursery and raise them at nursery to try and raise them at home. but still the home. but that's still the optimum environment. well, i'm going to let optimum environment. well, i'm totnt to let yoa— optimum environment. well, i'm going to let you have— optimum environment. well, i'm going to let you have the- " well, i'm going to let you have the final say— going to let you have the final saylnone. — going to let you have the final say-home. what- going to let you have the final say-home. what do- going to let you have the final say home. �*ft�*fia ctr» going to let you have the final say home. “

engaging with health care professionals, good professionals, i mean, good luck. even managed get luck. if you even managed to get your one of those. but your hands on one of those. but if you did, they had these stupid masks over their face interacting with babies and toddlers couldn't toddlers where you couldn't even see think see their face. i think it's absolutely what did see their face. i think it's abtermsly what did see their face. i think it's abterms of what did see their face. i think it's abterms of child what did see their face. i think it's abterms of child developmentiid in terms of child development dunng in terms of child development during those covid years anyway, don't started. any you don't get me started. any of you as regular will know my as regular viewers, will know my thoughts all quick break. thoughts on it. all quick break. when let's talk when i come back, let's talk about shall we? do think about in, shall we? do you think it should be extended to eu nationals and 16

threw them out quite badly . threw them out quite badly. you're listening to gb news tatto— you're listening to gb news tatto .— you're listening to gb news tatto . — you're listening to gb news tatto . tt— you're listening to gb news radio . hi there.- you're listening to gb news radio . ”liiii; you're listening to gb news radio . “611i: ll f radio. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry alongside me, joe phillips, the political commentator and conor tomlinson, the writer and podcaster as well. just continued our well. we just continued our debate the break, so we did debate into the break, so we did that whole conversation about who should be raising children and those all and what about those all societal of set ups, if you societal kind of set ups, if you like those old ideals of the man was the breadwinner and the provider and he took care of his family. the woman had that home

role where she protected and cared the home. all of the cared for the home. all of the kind of housekeeping and all the rest it. is society better rest of it. is society better now? was better then ? i think now? was it better then? i think we should ask the— now? was it better then? i think we should ask the women- 7 l sti"7 i think we should ask the women in iran or attnantstan— we should ask the women in iran or afghanistan who— we should ask the women in iran or afghanistan who are not even allowet— or afghanistan who are not even allowet to— or afghanistan who are not even allowet to to— or afghanistan who are not even allowed to go to— or afghanistan who are not even allowed to go to school. we snoalt— allowed to go to school. we snoalt asl— allowed to go to school. we should ask the— allowed to go to school. we should ask the women of my teneratton— should ask the women of my generation who— should ask the women of my generation who are pretty ntseratle— generation who are pretty- miserable _that miserable about the fact that tney— miserable about the fact that they—children- miserable about the fact that they—children at. miserable about the fact that they children at this they can't have children at this age— they can't have children at this ate-tve— they can't have children at this ate-tve spoken.- they can't have children at this age i've spoken. they age because i've spoken. they tney— age because i've spoken. they tney san— age because i've spoken. they can they can make that choice if tney— can they can make that choice if tney want— can they can make that choice if they want-economic. they want to. the economic pressures are completely against that have that because the feminists have expanded the tax base to two people. sorry, tell you people. and sorry, i'll tell you what i believe in choice and what i believe in choice and what i believe in choice and what i think is what is the right set up for one family isn't necessarily the right set up another family. everyone up for another family. everyone has their-experience- up for another family. everyone has their-experience .- up for another family. everyone has their-experience . rs. has their own experience. rs valae— has their own experience. rs valae sets— has their own experience. rs value sets belief— has their own experience. rs value sets belief systems and wtatever— value sets belief systems and whatever, but— value sets belief systems and whatever, but i— value sets belief systems and whatever, but i do think we've got whatever, but i do think we've tot to— whatever, but i do think we've tot to te— whatever, but i do think we've got to be careful.— whatever, but i do think we've got to be careful. sometimes tnat— got to be careful. sometimes tnat people— got to be careful. sometimes tnat people to— got to be careful. sometimes that people do look down on the stones— that people do look down on the enotees ot— that people do look down on the choices of others— that people do look down on the choices of others and of course tnere-ll— choices of others and of course tnere-ll te— choices of others and of course tnere-ll be a— choices of others and of course there'll be a lot— choices of others and of course there'll be a lot of— choices of others and of course there'll be a lot of people, pernaps— there'll be a lot of people, pernaps stntle— there'll be a lot of people, perhaps single mums or whatever screen—sawto- screen at their set saying, ttetelle— screen at their set saying, michelle, i'd _ screen at their set saying, michelle, i'd love to stay at none— michelle, i'd love to stay at none-ny— michelle, i'd love to stay at home my children, but the home with my children, but the tellow— home with my children, but the fellow-runner— home with my children, but the fellow-runner and- home with my children, but the fellow runner and now i've fellow did a runner and now i've gotlsav_ fellow did a runner and now i've totlsaylworls— fellow did a runner and now i've got-saylworks both- fellow did a runner and now i've got say works both ways. got to say it works both ways. woa— got to say it works both ways. voa-tast— got to say it works both ways. you-just expect-

got to say it works both ways. you -just expect-to you can't just expect women to be you can't just expect women to teitnese— you can't just expect women to be .these lovely— you can't just expect women to be these lovely childbearing be all these lovely childbearing people— be all these lovely childbearingi people—wandering people and then guys wandering off, people and then guys wandering ott—tentnt. - people and then guys wanderingi off,_behind. very off, leaving mums behind. very happy— off, leaving mums behind. very nappy-male— off, leaving mums behind. very happy-make sure_ off, leaving mums behind. very happy-make sure that- off, leaving mums behind. very happy make sure that blokes happy to make sure that blokes do not do i think they're do not do that. i think they're pathetic if they do. there you go, to get of go, you need to get shot of them. actually getting shot of wno— them. actually getting shot of wno-tloles— them. actually getting shot of wno-tloles. — them. actually getting shot of who-blokes . oh- them. actually getting shot of who-blokes . oh cor- them. actually getting shot of. who-blokes . oh cor blimey. them. actually getting shot of- who-blokes . oh cor blimey. who the blokes. oh cor blimey. tnat-s— who the blokes. oh cor blimey. tnat-s-tates— who the blokes. oh cor blimey. that's-jubes after— who the blokes. oh cor blimey. that's-jubes after dark- that's like jubes after dark tnat— that's like jubes after dark tnat-wetl— that's like jubes after dark that we'll come back to that one. we'll come back to tnat— that one. we'll come back to tnat-a— that one. we'll come back to that-a future- that one. we'll come back to that a future episode. that one on a future episode. catnetne— that one on a future episode. catherine force— that one on a future episode. catherine force dark jubes . catherine force dark jubes. atter— catherine force dark jubes. attertnat— catherine force dark jubes. after that you _ catherine force dark jubes. after that you should have seen soneltne— after that you should have seen some .the goings— after that you should have seen some the goings after some of the goings on after too.— some of the goings on after 7:00-itell_ some of the goings on after 7:00.itell you,— some of the goings on after 7:00. tell you, it's 7:00. i tell you, it's interesting,- 7:00. i tell you, it's interesting, catherine says, sorry,— interesting, catherine says, sorry—wttnl sorry, i do disagree with your laty— sorry, i do disagree with your laty-yo— sorry, i do disagree with your laty-tolean-t- lady. presenterjo, i can't understand— lady. presenterjo, i can't understand anyone would lady. presenterjo, i can't- understand-anyone would want understand why anyone would want a-tnen— understand why anyone would want a-tnen-tnto- a baby, then put them into narsery— a baby, then put them into nursery care to— a baby, then put them into nursery care to spend their day wttn— nursery care to spend their day with strangers.— nursery care to spend their day with strangers. to— nursery care to spend their day with strangers. to me so with strangers. to me it's so sat— with strangers. to me it's so sat .— with strangers. to me it's so sat . t— with strangers. to me it's so sat . t an— with strangers. to me it's so sat . t an one— with strangers. to me it's so sad . i am one of- with strangers. to me it's so sad . i am one of those ladies sad. i am one of those ladies ant— sad. i am one of those ladies ant as— sad. i am one of those ladies ant as t— sad. i am one of those ladies and as i said,— sad. i am one of those ladies and as i said, it's— sad. i am one of those ladies and as i said, it's all personal enotee— and as i said, it's all personal enotee .— and as i said, it's all personal enotee . lytta— and as i said, it's all personal choice . lydia says, bravo, choice. lydia says, bravo, conno— choice. lydia says, bravo, conno .— choice. lydia says, bravo, conno . on— choice. lydia says, bravo, connor. oh, he's she choice. lydia says, bravo, connor . oh, he's she says, connor. oh, he's she says, i wantet— connor. oh, he's she says, i wanted nothing _ connor. oh, he's she says, i wanted nothing more than to be wttn— wanted nothing more than to be wttn ny— wanted nothing more than to be with my children.— wanted nothing more than to be with my children. and in the end:— with my children. and in the ent, t— with my children. and in the ent, t tt— with my children. and in the end, i did manage to stop working-— end, i did manage to stop working. and— end, i did manage to stop working. and it- end, i did manage to stop working. and it was the best tne— working. and it was the best ttne ot— working. and it was the best ttne ot ny— working. and it was the best time of my life,— working. and it was the best time of my life, ray says, ask yoarselt— time of my life, ray says, ask yoarselt a— time of my life, ray says, ask yourself a question. everyone is soetety— yourself a question. everyone is soetety letter— yourself a question. everyone is society better today than it was years— society better today than it was years 690-7— society better today than it was years atoe wnen— society better today than it was years ago? when most mums stay at-aytv— years ago? when most mums stay at-aytv says— years ago? when most mums stay at-aytv says .— years ago? when most mums stay at-aytv says , t— years ago? when most mums stay at-kyiv says , i don't- at home? kyiv says, i don't anterstant— at home? kyiv says, i don't

understand anyone would want understand why anyone would want someone else to— understand why anyone would want someone else to bring up their ettlt— someone else to bring up their entt. woa— someone else to bring up their child. you cut— someone else to bring up their child. you cut your— someone else to bring up their child. you cut your cloth aseorttntly— child. you cut your cloth accordingly and raise them yoarselt— accordingly and raise them yourself, richard says. conservatism is a small state. tree— conservatism is a small state. tree markets— conservatism is a small state. free markets pro— conservatism is a small state. free markets pro aspiration. ntnt— free markets pro aspiration. bring thatcherism, he says, bring back thatcherism, he says, and bring back thatcherism, he says, ant lastly,— bring back thatcherism, he says, and lastly, paul— bring back thatcherism, he says, and lastly, paul says one person snoalt— and lastly, paul says one person snoalt always— and lastly, paul says one person should always stay— and lastly, paul says one person should always stay at home to tor— should always stay at home to tor tne— should always stay at home to care for the family, but that peso— care for the family, but that person could— care for the family, but that person could be— care for the family, but that person could be either the mum or tne— person could be either the mum or tne tat.— person could be either the mum or the dad. there— person could be either the mum or the dad. there you go. i'll leave— or the dad. there you go. i'll leave yoa— or the dad. there you go. i'll leave yoa to— or the dad. there you go. i'll leave you to ponder that one. i ton-t— leave you to ponder that one. i ton-t tntnl— leave you to ponder that one. i don't think we— leave you to ponder that one. i don't think we will— leave you to ponder that one. i don't think we will resolve it any— don't think we will resolve it any ttne— don't think we will resolve it any time soon. _ don't think we will resolve it any time soon. keir starmer he's teen— any time soon. keir starmer he's teen-spealtnt- any time soon. keir starmer he's been-speaking out- any time soon. keir starmer he's been speaking out in been basically speaking out in terms— been basically speaking out in terms ot— been basically speaking out in terms ot wno— been basically speaking out in terms of who should get the votes — terms of who should get the votes. .would _ terms of who should get the votes. would like to see it votes. he would like to see it potenttally— votes. he would like to see it potentially expanded eu potentially expanded to eu nattonals— potentially expanded to eu nationals, as— potentially expanded to eu nationals, as well as 16 year olts. — nationals, as well as 16 year olds. basically— nationals, as well as 16 year olds. basically he says, giving people— olds. basically he says, giving people tu— olds. basically he says, giving people eu citizens that have teen— people eu citizens that have teen nere— people eu citizens that have been here for— people eu citizens that have been here for many years the ttnt— been here for many years the tent to— been here for many years the tent to east— been here for many years the right to cast averts is, i taote— right to cast averts is, i quote, common sense. is it, joe? he quote, common sense. is it, joe? te satt. — quote, common sense. is it, joe? te satt. resple— quote, common sense. is it, joe? he said. people who- quote, common sense. is it, joe? he said. people who have been here for decades who have settled status so he's not talking about people who've been for here a few years. and at the moment , decades, decades, moment, decades, decades, decades. yeah, moment, decades, decades, decades . yeah, not in america. decades. yeah, not in america. sorry,— decades. yeah, not in america. sorry, ltts— decades. yeah, not in america. sorry, ltts tve— decades. yeah, not in america. sorry, kids, i've been- :f: yeah, not in america. sorry, kids, i've been here so long,— sorry, kids, i've been here so longr tney-ve— sorry, kids, i've been here so long, they've decayed, decayed. yest— long, they've decayed, decayed.

was exactly.— long, they've decayed, decayed. was exactly. so— long, they've decayed, decayed. yes, exactly. so he's— long, they've decayed, decayed. yes, exactly. so he's not,- long, they've decayed, decayed. yes, exactly. so he's not, you know, and it's an idea that is being thrown out there to be discussed. the idea for i mean, don't forget that people can if theyif don't forget that people can if they if they're resident here, they if they're resident here, they can already vote in local mayoral and police and crime commissioner elections. the only elections they can't vote in are parliamentary elections. do you think 16 year olds, for- eek do you think 16 year olds, for example , snoalt— think 16 year olds, for example , snoalt te— think 16 year olds, for example , should be able— think 16 year olds, for example , should be able to vote in parliament?— , should be able to vote in parliament? do— , should be able to vote in parliament? do you? yes. why? why— parliament? do you? yes. why? why not? because— parliament? do you? yes. why? �*ft�*y “tite7 because they're not why not? because they're not sotntttvely— why not? because they're not cognitively all— why not? because they're not cognitively all there- �*ft�*y “tite7 because they're not cognitively all there yet. and i tntnl— cognitively all there yet. and i tntnl we— cognitively all there yet. and i think we should— cognitively all there yet. and i think we should probably have a stantart— think we should probably have a stantart ate— think we should probably have a standard age of— think we should probably have a standard age of adulthood. and 16 standard age of adulthood. and we ts— standard age of adulthood. and we ts tar— standard age of adulthood. and re rs tar too— standard age of adulthood. and 16 is far too low. _ standard age of adulthood. and 16 is far too low. i— standard age of adulthood. and 16 is far too low. : 16 is far too low. i know loads of 14 year olds that are not cognitive. i'll be honest, i that point, it's somewhat arbitrary, but we should have a flat blanket line for okay. and where would you put that- where would you put that flat tlanlet— where would you put that flat blanket line? _ where would you put that flat blanket line? 8 blanket line? okay. i think 18 for somewhat arbitrary, but it's totally arbitrary . but but when totally arbitrary. but but when you totally arbitrary. but but when yoa say— totally arbitrary. but but when yoa say rt-s— totally arbitrary. but but when you say it's arbitrary,- say but but when you say it's arbitrary, 18 is tne— you say it's arbitrary, 18 is tne ate— you say it's arbitrary, 18 is the age where— you say it's arbitrary, 18 is the age where you are almost teennreally— the age where you are almost technically defined as an adult in technically defined as an adult rn tnrs— technically defined as an adult in this country,— technically defined as an adult in this country, isn't it? yeah, tts— in this country, isn't it? yeah, rt-s wnere— in this country, isn't it? yeah, rt-s wnere yoa— in this country, isn't it? yeah, it's where you can- in this country, isn't it? yeah, it's where you can go out and you— it's where you can go out and yoa san— it's where you can go out and yoa ttnl— it's where you can go out and you can drink-for- you can drink alcohol, for example,— you can drink alcohol, for example, until— you can drink alcohol, for example, until you're 18 and a

bar example, until you're 18 and a par or— example, until you're 18 and a par or a— example, until you're 18 and a par or a pat— example, until you're 18 and a par or a pat or— example, until you're 18 and a bar or a pub or a— example, until you're 18 and a bar or a pub or a restaurant. so tnat— bar or a pub or a restaurant. so tnat woalt— bar or a pub or a restaurant. so that would .the _ bar or a pub or a restaurant. so that would .the age- bar or a pub or a restaurant. so that would the age of kind of that would be the age of kind of wnen— that would be the age of kind of wnen yoa-e— that would be the age of kind of when you're tried— that would be the age of kind of when you're tried as an adult for when you're tried as an adult tor-ny— when you're tried as an adult tor-my legally,- for example, my legally, my teelrnt— for example, my legally, my teelrnt rs— for example, my legally, my feeling is and— for example, my legally, my feeling is and i— for example, my legally, my feeling is and i am i've spent most— feeling is and i am i've spent most ot— feeling is and i am i've spent most ot ny— feeling is and i am i've spent most of my working life trying to tet— most of my working life trying to get people— most of my working life trying to get people engaged in polrtres. — to get people engaged in politics. and— to get people engaged in politics. and as- to get people engaged in politics. ' r: to get people engaged in politics. r: politics. and as you know, i wrote a book about it. i've worked the home office worked with the home office on youth engagement programs over under governments and under various governments and young people are very interested in politics. a lot of young people don't know how anything works because we don't offer sufficient education except for the ones that are a little bit sort of geeky, a bit nerdy, who might get involved and have a good teacher school. and good teacher at school. and i think younger that people think the younger that people are and start voting the are and start voting ing, the more seriously they take it. there too people who there are too many people who don't is something that don't vote. it is something that is fundamentally such an important part of our place in being able to shape our world and the world in which we live. and i think that young people

have got a much a right to cast their vote as somebody of 40 or 50. oh, obviously , something 50. oh, obviously, something that gets me in trouble. i think there's probably— that gets me in trouble. i think there's probably too— g " i think there's probably too many people that there's probably too many people tnat to— there's probably too many people tnat to vote.— there's probably too many people tnat to vote. r— there's probably too many people that do vote. i think probably one vote, one— that do vote. i think probably one vote, one household at this port— one vote, one household at this pornt-te— one vote, one household at this pornt-te a— one vote, one household at this pornt-te a toot- one vote, one household at this point be a good lord. point would be a good lord. tnat-ll— point would be a good lord. tnat-ulna— point would be a good lord. that'll.no women. - point would be a good lord. that'll.no women. you'll. point would be a good lord. that'll no women. you'll know that'll be no women. you'll know you'll be going back to the only working i bet will. you'll be going back to the only working ibet will. i working men. i bet you will. i didn't say that. i said one vote,— didn't say that. i said one vote—sol didn't say that. i said one. voteso— yoa didn't say that. i said one- vote,_so you can vote, one household so you can pall— vote, one household so you can pall-totetner.— vote, one household so you can pull together. incentivises pull them together. incentivises responsrtle— pull them together. incentivises responsible choice. we responsible choice. what's the tears— responsible choice. what's the logic in that? because. okay perfect with the year perfect example with the 16 year olds. all going to olds. right? all you're going to get olds. right? all you're going to tetlvotrnt— olds. right? all you're going to get-voting blocs— olds. right? all you're going to get-voting blocs of- : right? all you're going to get voting blocs of people get is voting blocs of people tnat— get is voting blocs of people that-themselves- get is voting blocs of people- that-themselves-money. get is voting blocs of people that that's hemselves money. get is voting blocs of people that that's hem reason money. get is voting blocs of people that that's hem reason that money. get is voting blocs of people that that's hem reason that they ey. and that's the reason that they want— and that's the reason that they want-roare— and that's the reason that they want-you're not— and that's the reason that they want you're not absolutely. want to. you're not absolutely. voae— want to. you're not absolutely. voa-re-atoat— want to. you're not absolutely. you're-about16- want to. you're not absolutely. you're about 16 year olds you're what, about 16 year olds are you're what, about 16 year olds atoat— you're what, about 16 year olds atoat on— you're what, about 16 year olds are about on the— you're what, about 16 year olds are about on the cusp of going you're what, about 16 year olds artuniversity. the cusp of going you're what, about 16 year olds artuniversity. the cusgoingioing you're what, about 16 year olds artuniversity. the cusgoing totg to university. you're going to vote— to university. you're going to vote-tree- to university. you're going to vote free tuition. to university. you're going to. vote -free tuition. you vote for more free tuition. you want— vote for more free tuition. you want one— vote for more free tuition. you want one household- vote for more free tuition. you want one household to have one vote household. that vote for that household. that would so who's would be better. yes. so who's going decide how everybody in going to decide how everybody in that votes? it can be that household votes? it can be a negotiation. i— that household votes? it can be a negotiation. i thought- a negotiation. i thought i tnoatnt— a negotiation. i thought i thought men— a negotiation. i thought i thought men and women were etaal —a- thought men and women were equal. _a feminist| equal. you've been a feminist all-tte— equal. you've been a feminist all-life. therefore- equal. you've been a feminist all life. therefore we all your life. therefore we snoalt — all your life. therefore we should partners. all your life. therefore we- should-partners. but should be equal partners. but wnat— should be equal partners. buti wnat—people what about the younger people wno— what about the younger people wno-lrvrnt— what about the younger people wno-lrvrnt at- what about the younger people who living at home, the who might be living at home, the

grown— who might be living at home, the grown ap— who might be living at home, the grown up children,— who might be living at home, the grown up children, the 18 year olts—welli olds, as they might? well, nopetally— olds, as they might? well, nopetally-te - olds, as they might? well, hopefully be able to fly hopefully they'll be able to fly the hopefully they'll be able to fly tne nest— hopefully they'll be able to fly the nest. some _ hopefully they'll be able to fly the nest some point. but we the nest at some point. but we neet— the nest at some point. but we need-restructure.— the nest at some point. but we need restructure. need to need to restructure. we need to toasty.— need to restructure. we need to toasty-we— need to restructure. we need to exactly..we need— exactly. so we need to restructure _ exactly. so we need to restructure policy. exactly. so we need to- restructure - policy. it's restructure house policy. it's going— restructure house policy. it's tornt—nat going all the way down. but anyway,— going all the way down. but anyway-pael- going all the way down. but anyway,-back to- going all the way down. but anyway, back to the point anyway, going back to the point atoat— anyway, going back to the point atoat tne— anyway, going back to the point atoat tne re— anyway, going back to the point about the 16 and— anyway, going back to the point about the 16 and 17 year olds, tney-re— about the 16 and 17 year olds, one, they're not— about the 16 and 17 year olds, one, they're not particularly tney— one, they're not particularly they- interested. . one, they're not particularly they not interested. one, they're not particularly they not particularlyd. they're not particularly rntornet.— they're not particularlyj informed. -can they're not particularly- informed.-can inform informed. well you can inform people— informed. well you can informi people—wnen informed. well you can informi peoptney—wnen informed. well you can inform peopthey have when informed. well you can inform peopthey have the when informed. well you can inform peopthey have the vote when informed. well you can inform peopthey have the vote in when they they have the vote in sootlant— they they have the vote in scotland and _ they they have the vote in scotland and they have the vote in scotland and they have the vote rn vera — scotland and they have the vote in vera baird. _ scotland and they have the vote in vera baird. joe,— scotland and they have the vote in vera baird. joe, don't you think in school they've got enough teaching kids, you enough to be teaching kids, you know, days, know, know, these days, you know, you've many kids that can you've got so many kids that can barely read write. so barely even read or write. so when comes to what you when it comes to what you educate within kids, educate schools within the kids, within the school, actually quite primary schools quite a lot of primary schools do engage in in the sort of making choices. so let's have a vote.— making choices. so let's have a vote. children— making choices. so let's have a vote. children are— making choices. so let's have a vote. children are on— lg {.liil f so let's have a vote. children are on what we're lg {.liil f so let's have a vote. lto ldren are on what we're lg {.liil f so let's have a vote. lto do. n are on what we're lg {.liil f so let's have a vote. lto do. oh,e on what we're lg {.liil f so let's have a vote. lto do. oh, mostvhat we're lg {.liil f so let's have a vote. lto do. oh, most people 're going to do. oh, most people nave—tnat-s- going to do. oh, most people have _that's what| have decided. so that's what w-ereto— have decided. so that's what w-ereto to.- have decided. so that's what we're to do. that's a very we're going to do. that's a very taste,— we're going to do. that's a very taste, srnple— we're going to do. that's a very basic, simple thing. young people— basic, simple thing. youngi people—r basic, simple thing. young- pworl—r basic, simple thing. young- pwork with—i mean, basic, simple thing. young pwork with debating i mean, basic, simple thing. young pwork with debating mattersiean, basic, simple thing. young pwork with debating matters and. i work with debating matters and a lot— i work with debating matters and a lotltnose— i work with debating matters and a lot-those sort— i work with debating matters and a lot-those sort of— i work with debating matters and a lot those sort of youth a lot of those sort of youth organisations— a lot of those sort of youth organisations people organisations and people are passtonate— organisations and people are- passtonate—naen passionate. they've got as much tent— passionate. they've got as much tent to— passionate. they've got as much ttnt to-a— passionate. they've got as much tent to-a say— passionate. they've got as much tent to-a say rn— passionate. they've got as much right to a say in their right to have a say in their tney— right to have a say in their tney-nave— right to have a say in their they have motion. right to have a say in their- they-havelmotion. so can they can have a motion. so can i tast— they can have a motion. so can i last asl— they can have a motion. so can i past at yoa— they can have a motion. so can i just ask you this? have you two live together? i'm not being i

know i'm not being ages or anything, but just say anything, but let's just say joe's you have to live joe's your mum. you have to live with her. you want to go to rac? she to to lib dem. and she want to go to lib dem. and it's one household. it's one vote per household. who's going to decide who's going to decide why i going to decide and why should i tell you? or why should tell tell you? or why should you tell yoae — tell you? or why should you tell yoae -tase- tell you? or why should you tell you? -because you're. tell you? or why should you tell. you? -because you're the you? because. because you're the homeowner. so you'd be putting me a board. so of me up and ben a board. so of course you'd have the entitlement if i wanted my vote course you'd have the enthe ment if i wanted my vote course you'd have the enthe homeowner. nted my vote course you'd have the enthe homeowner. so my vote course you'd have the enthe homeowner. so these ote to the homeowner. so these non—worlrnt— to the homeowner. so these non—working women,- so these non—working women, i'm not sayrnt— non—working women, i'm not sayrnt nare— non—working women, i'm not sayrnt rnale rt— non—working women, i'm not saying make it practical on thei homeowner. _have saying make it practical on the. homeowner. _have to homeowner. i'm saying i have to defer because no, no, no. defer to you because no, no, no. i'm saying in a relationship, if i'm saying in a relationship, if i living with you, have i were living with you, i'd have to defer to you because otherwise i'd feel entitled to participate in something that i'm not contributing to. and that'd wrong. perfect. that'd be wrong. that's perfect. you but what about you can't. so but what about wnen—a— you can't. so but what about. when—a contributing when someone's a contributing taxpayere —are| when someone's a contributing. taxpayer? _are also taxpayer? yeah. so they are also they funding this democracy they are funding this democracy and how it operates and what it spends its cash on. it is your money these people are money that these people are spending. spending spending. so you're spending your surely would your tax money. surely you would want that. i think we want a say on that. i think we should hell of a less should have a hell of a lot less tax money spent, to be fair. but okay, we can maybe make it a

lrttle— but okay, we can maybe make it a lrttle tort— but okay, we can maybe make it a little bit negotiable,— but okay, we can maybe make it a little bit negotiable, but i'm operatrnt— little bit negotiable, but i'm operating principle. for operating off the principle. for example,— operating off the principle. for example-tne— operating off the principle. for example,-the-andl operating off the principle. for. example,-the-and the example, that the family and the noasenolt— example, that the family and the noasenolt rs— example, that the family and the household is the— example, that the family and the household is the primary unit of engagement,— household is the primary unit of engagement, not— household is the primary unit of engagement, not the individual. the reason that this is being eopasset— the reason that this is being. encompassed—more encompassed to more and more troaps— encompassed to more and more troapslteeaase— encompassed to more and more groups because they're groups is because they're telrevrnt— groups is because they're believing individual believing that the individual is the believing that the individual isi the—individual the primary unit. the individual wrll— the primary unit. the individual wrll-vote— the primary unit. the individual will vote themselves more will always vote themselves more money— will always vote themselves more money, specifically— will always vote themselves more money, specifically they okay srnee— money, specifically they okay snse—nave- money, specifically they okay since _ have been j since more people have been entranettset— enfranchised, state spending has tone— enfranchised, state spending has tone-ap. — enfranchised, state spending has tone-ap. well.- enfranchised, state spending has gone-up. well, that. gone rocketed up. well, that doesn't doesn't necessarily gone rocketed up. well, that doesn that doesn't necessarily gone rocketed up. well, that doesn that doesrto necessarily gone rocketed up. well, that doesn that doesrto do :essarily gone rocketed up. well, that doesn that doesrto do with'ily mean that that is to do with voting things. state spending has a variety of has gone up for a variety of reasons. well, at the money reasons. well, look at the money that's poured the that's been poured down the drain covid. agree on drain during covid. i agree on you deals and things you know, crony deals and things . the money's been . look at the money's been poured into but we're poured into hs2. but we're talking instance , talking about, for instance, which parties are being voted for. it's usually the parties tnat— for. it's usually the parties tnat are— it's usually the parties that are promising in that are promising people in trnes— that are promising people in trnes-ant- that are promising people in times and crises, times of crisis and crises, tneretore— times of crisis and crises, therefore have— times of crisis and crises, therefore have a incentive be therefore have a incentive to be trnnet— therefore have a incentive to be ginned-providing_ therefore have a incentive to be ginned providing for you. ginned up, providing for you. trtnt. — ginned up, providing for you. trtnt. tnrs— ginned up, providing for you. trtnt. tnrs rs— ginned up, providing for you. right. this is why welfare right. this is why the welfare state— right. this is why the welfare state-rn— right. this is why the welfare state-tn ant- right. this is why the welfare state in and things state was voted in and things tte— state was voted in and things rte-so— state was voted in and things like-so-reason- state was voted in and things like so reason that we like that. so the reason that we nave— like that. so the reason that we nave-rs— like that. so the reason that we have - is because _ have this is because specifically- have this is because. specifically _who have this is because- specifically _who are specifically labour, who are a soeralrst— specifically labour, who are a socialist party,— specifically labour, who are a socialist party, think which votrnt— socialist party, think which voting blocs— socialist party, think which voting blocs-be- socialist party, think which voting blocs be most likely voting blocs can be most likely to-tor— voting blocs can be most likely to-tor as— voting blocs can be most likely to-for us. they're- to vote for us. they're the votrnt— to vote for us. they're the voting blocs— to vote for us. they're the voting blocs that are going to vote— voting blocs that are going to vote themselves— voting blocs that are going to vote themselves more financial seeatty. — vote themselves more financial seeatty. elay— vote themselves more financial security. okay that? security. okay what's that? lrt-s— kid's about to go off to anrversrty— kid's about to go off to.

university _that kid's about to go off to- university _that have university and people that have recently— university and people that have recently arrived— university and people that have recently arrived and want to toot— recently arrived and want to toot-tne— recently arrived and want to foot-the ladder- recently arrived and want to foot-the ladder i foot up on the ladder because i taarantee— foot up on the ladder because i guarantee-start- foot up on the ladder because i guarantee start saying, guarantee if they start saying, okay,— guarantee if they start saying, okay—teen- guarantee if they start saying. okay, _ been . here okay, people have been for here a-tney— okay, people have been for here a-tney nrtnt- okay, people have been for here a-tney nrtnt te- okay, people have been for here a they might be able a while and they might be able to-tney-re— a while and they might be able to-tney-re torna- a while and they might be able to they're going to say to vote, they're going to say asylan — to vote, they're going to say asylan-next. - to vote, they're going to say asylum - next. oh i to vote, they're going to say. asylum _next. oh cor asylum seekers next. oh cor ttney— asylum seekers next. oh cor tlrney. tnt— asylum seekers next. oh cor blimey, i'm going to live on my own. and then that way i could narntarn— own. and then that way i could narntarn ny— own. and then that way i could maintain my votes,— and then that way i could maintain my votes, but i don't even—wouldn't- maintain my votes, but i don't even wouldn't vote even turn out. i wouldn't vote oat— even turn out. i wouldn't vote oat no— even turn out. i wouldn't vote oat no yoa— even turn out. i wouldn't vote out no you don't.— even turn out. i wouldn't vote out no you don't. wouldn't go out no you don't. i wouldn't go oat— out no you don't. i wouldn't go oat-vote.— out no you don't. iwouldn't go oat-vote. r— out no you don't. i wouldn't go out-vote. i have- out no you don't. i wouldn't go out-vote. i have to- out no you don't. i wouldn't go out vote. i have to say out and vote. i have to say tease— out and vote. i have to say because - little - out and vote. i have to say because little bit because i am a little bit trsentatet— because i am a little bit disengaged at- because i am a little bit disengaged at the moment with pottes— disengaged at the moment with polrtres. so— disengaged at the moment with polrtres. to r— disengaged at the moment with politics. so i don't— disengaged at the moment with politics. so i don't know what you— politics. so i don't know what yoa—nayte- politics. so i don't know what yoa—nayte r- politics. so i don't know what. you—maybe i could you do with me. maybe i could pass— you do with me. maybe i could pass ny— you do with me. maybe i could pass my vote.— you do with me. maybe i could pass my vote. make pass my vote. i'd make a sonpalsory— pass my vote. i'd make a eonpalsory. r— pass my vote. i'd make a compulsory. i know you would. well— compulsory. i know you would. well-last— compulsory. i know you would. well, - luck with - compulsory. i know you would. well, luck with that. in well, good luck with that. in tast— well, good luck with that. in taet, tnat-s— well, good luck with that. in fact, that's actually i'll come tast— fact, that's actually i'll come past-tnat— fact, that's actually i'll come back-that in— fact, that's actually i'll come back that in second. but back to that in a second. but bring— back to that in a second. but ttne-tne— back to that in a second. but trrnt-tne ate- back to that in a second. but bring the age but back to that in a second. but bring-the age but it bring down the age but make it sonpalsory— bring down the age but make it compulsory. / good bring down the age but make it compulsory. t/riuit“ good luck with compulsory. yeah. good luck with you compulsory. yeah. good luck with yoa-to— compulsory. yeah. good luck with yoa-to-ne— compulsory. yeah. good luck with yoa-to-ne to- compulsory. yeah. good luck with yoa-to-ne to ant- compulsory. yeah. good luck with you-to-me go and do. you trying to make me go and do sonetnrnt— you trying to make me go and do something that— you trying to make me go and do something that i— you trying to make me go and do something that i don't want to do something that i don't want to to tnat— something that i don't want to do that would— something that i don't want to do that would your ballot do that would spoil your ballot paper.— do that would spoil your ballot paper—going- do that would spoil your balloti paper-_goinglget paper. why are you going to get me paper. why are you going to get nea— postal- paper. why are you going to geti me_a postal vote? me there? and do a postal vote? tow— me there? and do a postal vote? tow-we— me there? and do a postal vote? tow-we torna— me there? and do a postal vote? tow-we tornt-nel me there? and do a postal vote?i how-we going-me do how are we going to make me do tnate— how are we going to make me do tnate works— how are we going to make me do that? works for— how are we going to make me do that? works for australians. t hey— that? works for australians. tney nave— that? works for australians. they have tney— that? works for australians. they have they get- that? works for australians. they have they get fined they they have they get fined if they don't. well, not in don't. well, i'm not in australia,— don't. well, i'm not in australia,-for. don't. well, i'm not in. australia,-for me, don't. well, i'm not in- australia,-for me, nor australia, luckily for me, nor do australia, luckily for me, nor to-wrtn— australia, luckily for me, nor do _with-double.| do i live with conor double. lastly— do i live with conor double. laelrly tor— do i live with conor double. luckily for anyway, your luckily for me. anyway, your weapons— luckily for me. anyway, youri thoughts _views. luckily for me. anyway, your- thoughts _views. gb thoughts on it all. gb views. gb news.— thoughts on it all. gb views. gb news. at.— thoughts on it all. gb views. gb news. all. let-s— thoughts on it all. gb views. gb news. .uk. let's talk speeding ten news. .uk. let's talk speedingi ten—tnat ten miles an hour. should that

be ten miles an hour. should that te-lrnrte—

threw them out quite badly. you're listening to gb news tatto— you're listening to gb news tatro .— you're listening to gb news tatro . — you're listening to gb news radio . hello— you're listening to gb news radio . siziti; you're listening to gb news radio . itsrii; you're listening to gb news- radio . hello there. i'm michelle radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. joe phillips , a political commentator alongside me, as is conor tomlinson, the writer and podcast host. we're having some radical ideas for an out tonight , everybody. one vote, one household where would you stand on that ? oh, i dread to think on that? oh, i dread to think anyone. well, actually , part of anyone. well, actually, part of me would think, oh, actually, you know what? just on my behalf can't be bothered anyway, it's absolutely appalling. i honestly, you believe honestly, i thought you believe in . honestly, i thought you believe rn—. r— honestly, i thought you believe rn—. r to.- honestly, i thought you believe in_. i do.-that'sj in free choice. i do. but that's being— in free choice. i do. but that's women being equalised, not free snorte— women being equalised, not free enoree. tte— women being equalised, not free choice. me deciding that i don't want— choice. me deciding that i don't wantlvote. — choice. me deciding that i don't want-vote. oh,— choice. me deciding that i don't want-vote. oh, no,- choice. me deciding that i don't want vote. cj" i i want to vote. oh, no, you can decide not to vote. but the one noasenolt— decide not to vote. but the one household thing. _ decide not to vote. but the one household thing. oh,- tititi titi. but the one household thing. cj" g household thing. oh, right, tant— household thing. oh, right, right. think shocking . right. i think it's shocking. is there anybody out there that toes—oe— is there anybody out there that does one household, does agree with one household, one-interested. - does agree with one household, one interested. get in one vote? i'm interested. get in toast— one vote? i'm interested. get in toast-let— one vote? i'm interested. get in toast-let ne— one vote? i'm interested. get in touch-let me know. - one vote? i'm interested. get in touch let me know. the age touch and let me know. the age of touch and let me know. the age ot eet.— touch and let me know. the age ot ee. wrtel— touch and let me know. the age of 69, nigel says— touch and let me know. the age of 69, nigel says you can't even ttve— of 69, nigel says you can't even ttve wnen— of 69, nigel says you can't even drive when you're— of 69, nigel says you can't even drive when you're so why drive when you're 16. so why

woalt— drive when you're 16. so why would-allowed- drive when you're 16. so why would-allowed to- drive when you're 16. so why would allowed to vote? would you be allowed to vote? tne — would you be allowed to vote? tne rnpaet— would you be allowed to vote? the impact for— would you be allowed to vote? the impact for the next five years— the impact for the next five years ot— the impact for the next five years ot tnrs— the impact for the next five years of this country? you can't tet— years of this country? you can't get a— years of this country? you can't even get a tattoo.— years of this country? you can't even get a tattoo. you can't tet— even get a tattoo. you can't get a— even get a tattoo. you can't even get a tattoo- even get a tattoo. you can't even get a tattoo until you're 18. even get a tattoo until you're re. tn— even get a tattoo until you're re. tn tnrs— even get a tattoo until you're 18. in this country. let's even get a tattoo until you're 18. in this country . let's talk 18. in this country. let's talk ttvrnt— 18. in this country. let's talk driving—shall. 18. in this country. let's talki driving—shall we? driving restrictions, shall we? ant— driving restrictions, shall we? ant speet— driving restrictions, shall we? and speed limits in residential latoar— and speed limits in residential areas. labour mp— and speed limits in residential areas. labour mp rachael ttaslell— areas. labour mp rachael maskell, she's— areas. labour mp rachael maskell, she's saying she wants eoanerls— maskell, she's saying she wants eoanerls to— maskell, she's saying she wants councils to introduce speed lrnrts— councils to introduce speed trnrts ot— councils to introduce speed limits of ten— councils to introduce speed limits of ten miles an hour. i t— limits of ten miles an hour. i mean, i would— limits of ten miles an hour. i mean, i would say you could walk tatter— mean, i would say you could walk tareler tnan— mean, i would say you could walk quicker than that. _ mean, i would say you could walk quicker than that. actually but it quicker than that. actually but rt woalt— quicker than that. actually but rt woalt te— quicker than that. actually but rt woalt be a— quicker than that. actually but it would be a very fast walk and i it would be a very fast walk and t tnrnl— it would be a very fast walk and ttnrnl yoa-t— it would be a very fast walk and i think you'd have— it would be a very fast walk and i think you'd have a hard job. tat— i think you'd have a hard job. tat to— i think you'd have a hard job. tat to me— i think you'd have a hard job. tat to yoa— i think you'd have a hard job. but to me, you know, it was 30 town— but to me, you know, it was 30 town to — but to me, you know, it was 30 town to so. — but to me, you know, it was 30 down to 20. dodi_ but to me, you know, it was 30 down to 20. dodi nudging it down to ten.— down to 20. dodi nudging it down to ten. tt— down to 20. dodi nudging it down to ten. rt tnat— down to 20. dodi nudging it down to ten. if that goes— down to 20. dodi nudging it down to ten. if that goes ahead . and to ten. if that goes ahead. and to ten. if that goes ahead. and to me— to ten. if that goes ahead. and to rt— to ten. if that goes ahead. and to me, it feels— to ten. if that goes ahead. and to me, it feels a— to ten. if that goes ahead. and to me, it feels a little bit tte— to me, it feels a little bit lrle a— to me, it feels a little bit lrle a wa— to me, it feels a little bit like a war on— to me, it feels a little bit like a war on cars. and it also reels— like a war on cars. and it also teels tte— like a war on cars. and it also teels lrle a— like a war on cars. and it also feels like a little _ like a war on cars. and it also feels like a little bit outdated,- feels like a little bit outdated, not least because if you— outdated, not least because if yoa want— outdated, not least because if yoa want to— outdated, not least because if you want to suppress cars , you want to suppress cars, yoave— you want to suppress cars, yoave tot— you want to suppress cars, yoave got to— you want to suppress cars, you've got to be- you want to suppress cars, you've got to be careful because in you've got to be careful because nntrro—r- you've got to be careful because rnrnrrro—r yoa-rel in the rear view mirror, you're torna— in the rear view mirror, you're going-e—scooters,- in the rear view mirror, you're going e—scooters, which going to have e—scooters, which can—ten- can go faster than your ten nrles— can go faster than your ten miles-where- can go faster than your ten miles where you're can go faster than your ten- miles-where you're going miles an hour where you're going to—so— miles an hour where you're going to_so therefore- miles an hour where you're going to_so therefore it. to have e—bikes. so therefore it all past— to have e—bikes. so therefore it all just becomes— to have e—bikes. so therefore it all just becomes bit all just becomes a little bit ott— all just becomes a little bit ott. wnat— all just becomes a little bit odd. what make to all just becomes a little bit odd. what-make to all? odd. what do you make to it all? wean— odd. what do you make to it all? wean-wrtn— odd. what do you make to it all? yeah _with .frame- yeah i agree with the frame natte. — yeah i agree with the frame natte. |tnrnl— yeah i agree with the frame nudge. ithink this- yeah i agree with the frame nudge. i think this is sort of not that proposal is not that this proposal is gaining traction, but gaining that much traction, but if it's part of the

if it does, it's part of the behavioural nudge policy approach inconvenience approach to inconvenience motorists whether motorists off the road. whether that's climate that's because of climate concerns whether it's because concerns or whether it's because pubuc concerns or whether it's because public transport is far more controllable, despite the infrastructure crumbling, infrastructure being crumbling, we that actually fairly we see that actually fairly recently. it must have recently. i think it must have been last year now where they changed code the changed the highway code and the reason highway reason they changed the highway code cyclists take code to allow cyclists to take priority pedestrians over priority and pedestrians over motorists necessarily for motorists is not necessarily for safety reasons, but it's because dunng safety reasons, but it's because during the consultancy period where working people don't where most working people don't know they're on and know that they're going on and so experience is a so their average experience is a driver be given in the driver can't be given in the cycling lobby, flooded it and they were the overwhelming number of respondents. and when interviewed stations, interviewed on other stations, loads stop killing loads of them from stop killing cyclists carfree cities cyclists or carfree cities campaign around and said campaign turned around and said it's environment the it's for the environment and the economy ? so abstract end economy right? so abstract end goals rather than the actual experience of motorists and cyclists on the road so well , cyclists on the road so well, i'll just cast your mind , your i'll just cast your mind, your imagination, conor, into the ideal world where there is a woman at home with little children playing around her. she's got a pot of something

eoolrnt— she's got a pot of something cooking home— she's got a pot of something cooking home made things. you're out cooking home made things. you're oat at— cooking home made things. you're oat at worl— cooking home made things. you're out at work earning— cooking home made things. you're out at work earning money and everytnrnt-s— out at work earning money and everything's hunky dory. she'd like everything's hunky dory. she'd lrle to— everything's hunky dory. she'd lrle to let— everything's hunky dory. she'd like to let the— everything's hunky dory. she'd like to let the children to go oatsrte— like to let the children to go outside and— like to let the children to go outside and play in the street, tat— outside and play in the street, tat tney— outside and play in the street, tat tney can-t— outside and play in the street, but they can't because there's too — but they can't because there's too many— but they can't because there's too many — but they can't because there's too many cars. i— but they can't because there's too many cars. i mean, rachel ttaseall-s— too many cars. i mean, rachel ttaseall-s-rs— too many cars. i mean, rachel mascall's-is not- too many cars. i mean, rachel mascall's is not labour mascall's idea is not labour party— mascall's idea is not labour tany polrey. — mascall's idea is not labour party policy. .far- mascall's idea is not labour party policy. far as party policy. as far as i understand— party policy. as far as i understand it.- party policy. as far as i understand it. i i think that we neet— understand it. i i think that we neet to— understand it. i i think that we neet to male— understand it. i i think that we need to make built up areas in ertres— need to make built up areas in ortres ant— need to make built up areas in cities and she's— need to make built up areas in cities and she's an— need to make built up areas in cities and she's an mp for york, so ant— cities and she's an mp for york, so ant yoa— cities and she's an mp for york, so ant yoa ant— cities and she's an mp for york, so and you and i— cities and she's an mp for york, so and you and i know canterbury very— so and you and i know canterbury very well— so and you and i know canterbury very well narrow— so and you and i know canterbury very well narrow streets. it is not— very well narrow streets. it is not yoa— very well narrow streets. it is not yoa know— very well narrow streets. it is not you know they're mediaeval ertres— not you know they're mediaeval ortres .— not you know they're mediaeval ortres . tney-re— not you know they're mediaeval cities . they're not— not you know they're mediaeval cities . they're not designed for cities. they're not designed for tannrly— cities. they're not designed for cars. funnily enough. and i tnrnl— cars. funnily enough. and i tnrnl tts— cars. funnily enough. and i think it's quite— cars. funnily enough. and i think it's quite a good idea if people— think it's quite a good idea if people san— think it's quite a good idea if people can walk— think it's quite a good idea if people can walk , kids can play people can walk, kids can play ant— people can walk, kids can play ant tney-re— people can walk, kids can play and they're not— people can walk, kids can play and they're not worried about being— and they're not worried about ternt well — and they're not worried about being well. so— and they're not worried about being well. : being well. so would you pedestrianise i'd have much more pedestrian areas. yeah . so pedestrian areas. yeah. so depending on the city. so if i'm indulging this little fancy now. so his wife, she's at home with all tnese— so his wife, she's at home with all these kids— so his wife, she's at home with all these kids and— so his wife, she's at home with all these kids and now she needs to to— all these kids and now she needs to to ant— all these kids and now she needs to to ant tet— all these kids and now she needs to to ant get a— all these kids and now she needs to go and get a food shop. she toesn-t— to go and get a food shop. she toesn-t neet— to go and get a food shop. she doesn't need to. so— to go and get a food shop. she doesn't need to. so now- to go and get a food shop. i e so now you've doesn't need to. so now you've pedestrianised _ doesn't need to. so now you've pedestrianised all— doesn't need to. so now you've pedestrianised all the- pedestrianised all the ridiculous.— pedestrianised all the ridiculous. on. so pedestrianised all the- ridiculous.-on. so now ridiculous. come on. so now yoave— ridiculous. come on. so now yoa-ve—alll you've pedestrianised all the streets.— you've pedestrianised all the streets-sne- you've pedestrianised all the streets.-she can't- streets. so now she can't get a toot—tat-

streets. so now she can't get a toot—tat wnyi streets. so now she can't get a- food_but why would food shop in home. but why would you need to go miles away? i mean, know because .rgjru “grip: by; cr; ii“ ugo; ii7' | mean, know because bigger mean, i know because bigger sapernarlets— supermarkets, bigger supermarkets, bigger supermarkets than supermarkets are cheaper than local—stores.- supermarkets are cheaper than. local—stores. maybe local independent stores. maybe one-tnrnts— local independent stores. maybe one-things about- local independent stores. maybe one things about making one of the things about making ertres— one of the things about making cities-liveable_ one of the things about making cities liveable towns cities more liveable and towns more liveable— cities more liveable and towns more liveable is— cities more liveable and towns more liveable is that actually you— more liveable is that actually you reinvigorate— more liveable is that actually you reinvigorate a diverse eonoy tt— you reinvigorate a diverse economy. if you take cities wnere— economy. if you take cities where retail— economy. if you take cities where retail is— economy. if you take cities where retail is gone and there are where retail is gone and there empty— where retail is gone and there are empty retail— where retail is gone and there are empty retail buildings and tees— are empty retail buildings and there's rooms— are empty retail buildings and there's rooms and flats and space— there's rooms and flats and space over the— there's rooms and flats and space over the top of shops , if space over the top of shops, if you— space over the top of shops, if yoa tarn— space over the top of shops, if you turn those— space over the top of shops, if you turn those into apartment, places— you turn those into apartment, some places that— you turn those into apartment, some places that are desperately neetet— some places that are desperately neetet .— some places that are desperately neetet . yoa-t— some places that are desperately needed , you'd have people living needed, you'd have people living in needed, you'd have people living rn ertres— needed, you'd have people living rn ortres as— needed, you'd have people living in cities as shopping in cities , vou— in cities as shopping in cities . yoa know.— in cities as shopping in cities , you know, working and walking in , you know, working and walking rn stres— , you know, working and walking in cities, which— , you know, working and walking in cities, which would be much vrtrant— in cities, which would be much more vibrant than _ in cities, which would be much more vibrant than the towns and artes— more vibrant than the towns and ortres tnat— more vibrant than the towns and cities that we've— more vibrant than the towns and cities that we've got that are rast— cities that we've got that are tast tnost— cities that we've got that are just ghost towns— cities that we've got that are just ghost towns because retail nas— just ghost towns because retail nas tone— just ghost towns because retail nas tone ant— just ghost towns because retail has gone and nobody lives there. i has gone and nobody lives there. r mean.— has gone and nobody lives there. r t— has gone and nobody lives there. rnnean. t ton-t— has gone and nobody lives there. i mean, i don't think— has gone and nobody lives there. i mean, i don't think it's- has gone and nobody lives there. i mean, i don't think it's a- i mean, i don't think it's a great idea to cram people in cities anyway because population density particularly density is not particularly healthy people healthy for people psychologically. healthy for people psycht meant .ly. healthy for people psychtmeant.ly. interact with really meant to interact with that . and cities that many people. and cities have higher crime rates and have far higher crime rates and things that no matter what. things like that no matter what. so actually agree should so i actually agree we should probably pedestrianise cities a little better. most the

little bit better. most of the time need vehicles to time we still need vehicles to move through to transport goods. sure is that the sure so my problem is that the policy is not done towards making cities more liveable for an aesthetic reason, a quality of life reason. normally the policies are done for climate outcomes , for example. that's outcomes, for example. that's just think i think for safety just i think i think for safety and i mean , you know, there are and i mean, you know, there are statistics that show that you are less likely to be seriously injured if you're hit at 20 miles an hour than 30 miles an houn miles an hour than 30 miles an hour. what do you make to it? can— hour. what do you make to it? can yoa— hour. what do you make to it? can yoa see— hour. what do you make to it? can yoa a— hour. what do you make to it? can you see a future not too far away in the distance, actually, where there's no cars at all. it does feel to me that that is the way that we are tiptoeing. would you you think you celebrate that? do you think it be safety for the kids it would be safety for the kids or think it's a little or do you think it's a little bit state and little bit bit nanny state and a little bit too much control? zelenskyy is in town asking for more. how much more should we be giving to ukraine? is there a line or not? see you .

in two. hello, i'm michelle dewberry , hello, i'm michelle dewberry, alongside joe phillips, a political commentator , and conor political commentator, and conor tomlinson, the writer and podcast host. now rishi sunak has embraced literally arnie. i don't know if you saw good old little hook there. zelenskyy ukraine's president, of course, in chequers. that was earlier on.long in chequers. that was earlier on. long story short, there you go. a little manhog going on. long story short , but the list long story short, but the list of requests has expanded once again . and joe phillips , do you again. and joe phillips, do you think there's any kind of limits to the uk in terms of support for ukraine, whether it's money, whether it's military assistance, jets long—range missiles, whatever the request is, because whatever the request is, because whatever the request is today is going to be expanded upon tomorrow? let's be honest. i think tobias said i think what tobias ellwood said earlrer— i think what tobias ellwood said earlrer totay— i think what tobias ellwood said earlier today, who's the chair of earlier today, who's the chair ot-eonnons— earlier today, who's the chair of commons select defence of the commons select defence eonnrttee— of the commons select defence eonnrttee .— of the commons select defence committee , defence select committee, defence select

eonnrttee— committee, defence select eonnrttee .— committee, defence select committee , conservative mp, committee, conservative mp, totter— committee, conservative mp, tornerarny— committee, conservative mp, former army officer . and he former army officer. and he sart— former army officer. and he sat. yoa— former army officer. and he said, you know,— former army officer. and he said, you know, we can't keep enptyrnt— said, you know, we can't keep enptyrnt tne— said, you know, we can't keep emptying the store cupboard and we neet— emptying the store cupboard and we neet to— emptying the store cupboard and we need to work— emptying the store cupboard and we need to work in— emptying the store cupboard and we need to work in a much more anrtet— we need to work in a much more anrtet way— we need to work in a much more unified way with— we need to work in a much more unified way with our nato panners— unified way with our nato panners ant— unified way with our nato partners and although, you know, anetta— partners and although, you know, anetea nas— partners and although, you know, america has given— partners and although, you know, america has given squillions eonparet— america has given squillions eonparet to— america has given squillions compared to what the uk has even— compared to what the uk has trven to— compared to what the uk has given to ukraine,— compared to what the uk has given to ukraine, we have still trven— given to ukraine, we have still trven a— given to ukraine, we have still given a significantly more than tatte— given a significantly more than tarte a— given a significantly more than tarte a lot.— given a significantly more than tarte a lot. — given a significantly more than quite a lot. well,— given a significantly more than quite a lot. lattice given a significantly more than quite a lot. flittiii tit: quite a lot. well, we've led the way in a lot of ways among europe. yes and i you know, and i europe. yes and i you know, and ttnrnl— europe. yes and i you know, and ttnrnl tnat— europe. yes and i you know, and ttnrnl tnat rs— europe. yes and i you know, and i think that is great.— e. “tit; and i you know, and i think that is great. and i tttnl— i think that is great. and i tnrnl. yoa— i think that is great. and i think, you know, of course. jtit think, you know, of course. do you— think, you know, of course. do yoa to— think, you know, of course. do yoa to yoa— think, you know, of course. do you do you think— think, you know, of course. do you do you think that was our job?i you do you think that was our job? i think it was important at the time. but i also think tatter— the time. but i also think rather cynically,- the time. but i also think rather cynically, say rather cynically, you might say tnat— rather cynically, you might say tnat tnat— rather cynically, you might say that that president zelenskyy is rneretrtly— that that president zelenskyy is incredibly brave.— that that president zelenskyy is incredibly brave. he's incredibly— incredibly brave. he's incredibly charismatic. he's a treat— incredibly charismatic. he's a great communicator. he's managed to, great communicator. he's managed a. yoa— great communicator. he's managed to. yoa know.— great communicator. he's managed to. yoa lnow. wnrs— great communicator. he's managed to, you know, whiz around the vent— to, you know, whiz around the world garnering— to, you know, whiz around the world garnering support. and tnere— world garnering support. and tnere rs— world garnering support. and tnere rs no— world garnering support. and there is no doubt that, you know.— there is no doubt that, you know. we— there is no doubt that, you know, we are— there is no doubt that, you know, we are we've got this war on toorstep— know, we are we've got this war on our doorstep and we should nave— on our doorstep and we should nave tone— on our doorstep and we should have done something in 2014 when

tassra— have done something in 2014 when tassra went— have done something in 2014 when russia went into— have done something in 2014 when russia went into crimea and we trtn-t. — russia went into crimea and we trtn-t. eo— russia went into crimea and we trtn-t. to t— russia went into crimea and we didn't. so i think— russia went into crimea and we didn't. so i think there's an element— didn't. so i think there's an element ot— didn't. so i think there's an element of doing. but i think we nave— element of doing. but i think we nave to— element of doing. but i think we nave to te— element of doing. but i think we have to be aware— element of doing. but i think we have to be aware of and the tanter— have to be aware of and the tanter ot— have to be aware of and the danger of the— have to be aware of and the danger of the emotional commitment— danger of the emotional commitment without being sornetrnes— commitment without being sometimes a— commitment without being sometimes a little bit hardheaded- sometimes a little bit hardheaded about whether we snoalt— hardheaded about whether we snoalt te— hardheaded about whether we should be better— hardheaded about whether we should be better off working more strategically with partners . ant— more strategically with partners . ant tt— more strategically with partners . ant t-t te— more strategically with partners . and i'd be even— more strategically with partners . and i'd be even more- more strategically with partners . and i'd be even more cynical actually. and i would suggest that the whole ukrainian situation became almost like a political football with boris johnson using it as a way to deflect from domestic goings on. if me. anyway, conor, if you ask me. anyway, conor, your thoughts on it all? i would be worried about— your thoughts on it all? i would be worried about how- i g lit" s17 i would be worried about how long the rs— be worried about how long the rs torna— be worried about how long the rs tone to— be worried about how long the war is going to be— be worried about how long the war is going to be prolonged, not— war is going to be prolonged, not past— war is going to be prolonged, not last rn— war is going to be prolonged, not just in terms— war is going to be prolonged, not just in terms of escalation, tat— not just in terms of escalation, tat rn— not just in terms of escalation, tat rn terns— not just in terms of escalation, but in terms of— not just in terms of escalation, but in terms of the vested rnterests— but in terms of the vested interests who— but in terms of the vested interests who want it prolonged. wow— interests who want it prolonged. wow tne— interests who want it prolonged. now the amount— interests who want it prolonged. now the amount of money that is tlowrnt— now the amount of money that is tlowrnt oat— now the amount of money that is tlowrnt oat ot— now the amount of money that is flowing out of taxpayer coffers to tne — flowing out of taxpayer coffers to the military— flowing out of taxpayer coffers to the military industrial complex— to the military industrial complex tast— to the military industrial complex just to give it over to ttlrarne— complex just to give it over to ttlrarne to— complex just to give it over to ukraine to defend— complex just to give it over to ukraine to defend themselves. ant— ukraine to defend themselves. ant tney-re — ukraine to defend themselves. and they're perfectly entitled to—.- and they're perfectly entitled to—. t- and they're perfectly entitledi to—. rt toes to defend themselves. it does worry— to defend themselves. it does worry me— to defend themselves. it does worry me tnat— to defend themselves. it does worry me that there's not going to—rn— worry me that there's not going to—rn stant- worry me that there's not going to in sight because to be any end in sight because it's-profitable— to be any end in sight because it's-profitable for- to be any end in sight because it's profitable for the it's very profitable for the people— it's very profitable for the people tnat— it's very profitable for the people that have ears of people that have the ears of polrtrerans— politicians but don't necessarily- politicians but don't necessarily the politicians but don't- necessarily-the interests politicians but don't- nethe.arily-the interests

politicians but don't nethe ukrainian the interests politicians but don't nethe ukrainian people arests politicians but don't nethe ukrainian people who've of the ukrainian people who've teen— of the ukrainian people who've been—russian- been invaded. the russian eonsetpts— been invaded. the russiani conscripts—who conscripts and citizens who never wanted it. and the taxpayers— never wanted it. and the taxpayers western never wanted it. and the taxpayers .western who taxpayers of western nations who nave — taxpayers of western nations who nave—tru— taxpayers of western nations who nave—trll tor— taxpayers of western nations who have—bill for it- taxpayers of western nations who have—bill for it at- have to foot the bill for it at nean. — have to foot the bill for it at heart. _concern- have to foot the bill for it at. heart. _concern-that heart. it does concern me that we seem a no limits we seem to have a no limits level— we seem to have a no limits level ot— we seem to have a no limits level of commitment to this when it's level of commitment to this when rt-s—a— level of commitment to this when rt-s—a lot- level of commitment to this when rt-s—a lot ot- it's going to make a lot of money— it's going to make a lot of money-very- it's going to make a lot of- money-very-people. money for some very odd people. ant— money for some very odd people. ant-torna— money for some very odd people. and-doing anything,- and we're not doing anything, you the same scale to you know, on the same scale to help sudan yemen or help people in sudan or yemen or other places around the world. i mean, i do think it's a very difficult call , i have to say. difficult call, i have to say. i agree with you . i wasn't going agree with you. i wasn't going to mention boris johnson because of boris. bingo. but you brought it up first. but i do think it suhed it up first. but i do think it suited him very well to behave old a hero in ukraine when things were getting a bit ropey back home. i wouldn't call him a back home. iwouldn't call him a ten— back home. iwouldn't call him a ten rn— back home. iwouldn't call him a ten rn tnrs— back home. iwouldn't call him a hero in this as— back home. iwouldn't call him a hero in this as well,— i i wouldn't call him a hero in this as well, because tent— hero in this as well, because tent tron — hero in this as well, because right from the— hero in this as well, because right from the off there was a eanete— right from the off there was a eanene tor— right from the off there was a chance for peace— right from the off there was a chance for peace negotiations ant— chance for peace negotiations ant tnere— chance for peace negotiations and there were— chance for peace negotiations and there were going to be some unsavoury compromise choices mate— unsavoury compromise choices nate tnere. — unsavoury compromise choices made there. but— unsavoury compromise choices made there. but there's probably going— made there. but there's probably tone to— made there. but there's probably tone to te— made there. but there's probably tone to be at— made there. but there's probably going to be at the— made there. but there's probably going to be at the end of this wnen— going to be at the end of this war when one— going to be at the end of this war when one side runs out anyway. — war when one side runs out anyway. ant— war when one side runs out anyway. and boris specifically sart— anyway. and boris specifically sart to— anyway. and boris specifically said to zelenskyy, come said to zelenskyy, don't come to netotratrnt— said to zelenskyy, don't come to negotiating—we'lll negotiating table because we'll tast— negotiating table because we'll past-lone— negotiating table because we'll past-lontlrt- back you for as long as it tales.— back you for as long as it takes ant— back you for as long as it takes. and frankly, even though

people— takes. and frankly, even though people-okay.- takes. and frankly, even though people okay, russia people can say, okay, russia snoaltn-t— people can say, okay, russia shouldn't have— people can say, okay, russia shouldn't have crimea and the tontas— shouldn't have crimea and the donbas regions,— shouldn't have crimea and the donbas regions, absolutely arnie the donbas regions, absolutely arnie tne lotter— donbas regions, absolutely arnie the longer this— donbas regions, absolutely arnie the longer this has gone on, the more ukrainian— the longer this has gone on, the more ukrainian lives have been lost.— more ukrainian lives have been lost. so— more ukrainian lives have been lost. so tots— more ukrainian lives have been lost. so boris johnson's policy nas— lost. so boris johnson's policy tas—people.- lost. so boris johnson's policy tas—people. | lost. so boris johnson's policy. tas—people. |to lost. so boris johnson's policy. haslit's-people. ido lost. so boris johnson's policy has e i g eople. titit lost. so boris johnson's policy. haslit's fascinating when ido lost. so boris johnson's policy has e i g think it's fascinating when you hear the narrative around this. now, know , now, this has become, you know, it's not ukraine has to win the war. the west to win war. it's the west has to win the war. and it's like, well, hang on a second. how has that kind of happened in kind of happened that we're in michael's been sort of michael's have just been sort of saying, michelle, we've michael's have just been sort of sayin the iichelle, we've michael's have just been sort of sayin the uk alle, we've michael's have just been sort of sayinthe uk are. we've michael's have just been sort of sayinthe uk are essentially've michael's have just been sort of sayinthe uk are essentially at been the uk are essentially at war all but war with russia in all but technical name is that fair ? not technical name is that fair? not precisely. but technical name is that fair? not precisely . but i think, you precisely. but i think, you know.— precisely. but i think, you know. tne— precisely. but i think, you know, the west— precisely. but i think, you know, the west is- i but i think, you know, the west is at war with tassra. — know, the west is at war with russia. whether— know, the west is at war with russia. whether we like it or notw— russia. whether we like it or not. tease— russia. whether we like it or not, because this— russia. whether we like it or not, because this war is on our toorstep. — not, because this war is on our toorstep. ant— not, because this war is on our doorstep. and if— not, because this war is on our doorstep. and if russia takes ttlratne— doorstep. and if russia takes ukraine, then— doorstep. and if russia takes ukraine, then where does it go next— ukraine, then where does it go next roa— ukraine, then where does it go next? you know— ukraine, then where does it go next? you know ,_ ukraine, then where does it go next? you know , and that's why next? you know, and that's why wnen— next? you know, and that's why wnen we — next? you know, and that's why when we didn't— next? you know, and that's why when we didn't do— next? you know, and that's why when we didn't do anything in artea— when we didn't do anything in etnea wnen— when we didn't do anything in crimea, when there was plenty of rntellrtenee — crimea, when there was plenty of intelligence to _ crimea, when there was plenty of intelligence to say— crimea, when there was plenty of intelligence to say that was going— intelligence to say that was gone to— intelligence to say that was going to happen and we stood by and going to happen and we stood by ant let— going to happen and we stood by ant let rt— going to happen and we stood by and let it happen.— going to happen and we stood by and let it happen. well, you know.— and let it happen. well, you know. tne— and let it happen. well, you know, the russians have always, always— know, the russians have always, always playet— know, the russians have always, always playet a— know, the russians have always, always played a long game. so we neet— always played a long game. so we

neet tor— always played a long game. so we need for russia— always played a long game. so we need for russia to— always played a long game. so we need for russia to be defeated. wnetner— need for russia to be defeated. whether that's— need for russia to be defeated. whether that's at _ need for russia to be defeated. whether that's at the negotiating - whether that's at the negotiating table or militarily. but negotiating table or militarily. tat wnat— negotiating table or militarily. tat wnat t— negotiating table or militarily. but what i find— negotiating table or militarily. but what i find interesting- negotiating table or militarily. but what i find interesting is donald trump came out and he was saying about there needs to be more focus on not winning and losing, but more focus on settlement settling and basically bringing this to a close to stop death on all sides. he was immediately close to stop death on all- sides. he was immediately jumped apon— sides. he was immediately jumped apon ant— sides. he was immediately jumped upon and criticised— sides. he was immediately jumped upon and criticised ,_ : he was immediately jumped upon and criticised , lambasted upon and criticised, lambasted ant— upon and criticised, lambasted ant all— upon and criticised, lambasted ant all tne— upon and criticised, lambasted and all the rest— upon and criticised, lambasted and all the rest of it. and that toesntt— and all the rest of it. and that toesn-t. rn— and all the rest of it. and that toesn-t. n my— and all the rest of it. and that doesn't, in my eyes, seem to be enoatt— doesn't, in my eyes, seem to be enoatn. teople— doesn't, in my eyes, seem to be enough. people pushing for the ltnt— enough. people pushing for the ltnt ot— enough. people pushing for the kind of settlement resolution, wnatever— kind of settlement resolution, whatever word _ kind of settlement resolution, whatever word you want to apply to n,— whatever word you want to apply to n, ant— whatever word you want to apply to n, ant t— whatever word you want to apply to it, and i find— whatever word you want to apply to it, and i find that particularly- to it, and i find that particularly odd. but i think i rnterraptet— particularly odd. but i think i interrupted a— particularly odd. but i think i interrupted a point you was going— interrupted a point you was gone to— interrupted a point you was gone to male.— interrupted a point you was going to make. no actually, i really— going to make. no actually, i really tte— going to make. no actually, i really like that— going to make. no actually, i really like that point. ' t: really like that point. and natty— really like that point. and narnly tne— really like that point. and mainly the reason is donald trump vested trump doesn't have any vested financial war financial interest in the war going of the media going on. but lots of the media companies, are not this companies, which are not this great have shares great channel, have large shares being blackrock and being owned by a blackrock and blackrock, world's largest blackrock, the world's largest hedge are currently hedge fund are currently securing for the securing loans for the ukrainians. the longer the war goes on, the interest the goes on, the more interest the ukrainians them, the more ukrainians owe them, the more money makes . money that blackrock makes. again, in the best interest again, not in the best interest of those people. pretty

worrying. i the idea of worrying. i think the idea of donald being a peace worrying. i think the idea of donalcis being a peace worrying. i think the idea of donalcis almostzing a peace worrying. i think the idea of donalcis almost as; a peace worrying. i think the idea of donalcis almost as bonkersa worrying. i think the idea of donalcis almost as bonkers as broker is almost as bonkers as the idea of women staying at home and then having is intimidating. the thing is right , this a man who can't even , this is a man who can't even accept that lost election. accept that he lost an election. well , i think accept that he lost an election. well, i think we shouldn't go rnto— well, i think we shouldn't go nto-rters— well, i think we shouldn't go into-there is- well, i think we shouldn't go into-there is _tol well, i think we shouldn't go. into-there is-to be into that. there is going to be a other tangent, but point a whole other tangent, but point being open a brand new tangent just say just before i need to say goodbye. but. but, conor, he toesn-t— goodbye. but. but, conor, he doesn't-accept- goodbye. but. but, conor, he doesn't- accept the - g: but. but, conor, he doesn't accept the outcome g: but. but, conor, he do a .n't accept the outcome g: but. but, conor, he doa legitimate. tpt the outcome g: but. but, conor, he doa legitimate. e the outcome g: but. but, conor, he doa legitimate. e outcome g: but. but, conor, he doa legitimate. e 3:3 e of a legitimate. it was dodgy. it wasn't legitimate. but anyway, point being- e e .titg e but anyway, point being it was atsolately— anyway, point being it was absolutely so absolutely wasn't, it wasn't so ton-t— absolutely wasn't, it wasn't so don't-massively— absolutely wasn't, it wasn't so don't massively topic don't go massively off topic ttoatt— don't go massively off topic ttoatt-tn- don't go massively off topic though, i'm going to don't go massively off topic- though,-i'm going to say though, because i'm going to say no, though, because i'm going to say noon-— though, because i'm going to say no-onon-— though, because i'm going to say no-onon- let- though, because i'm going to say no,-on,-on. let me. though, because i'm going to say no, on, on. let me let no, hang on, hang on. let me let me— no, hang on, hang on. let me let me respont— no, hang on, hang on. let me let me respont. let— no, hang on, hang on. let me let me respond. let me— no, hang on, hang on. let me let me respond. let me respond. tease— me respond. let me respond. because intimidates people. because he intimidates people. tnat-s—tallyl because he intimidates people. tnat-s—tally .| that's frankly, that's a bully. us that's frankly, that's a bully. us-yoa-re— that's frankly, that's a bully. us you're dealing with us when you're dealing with vlatrnrr— vladimir putin, don't you want to-tatrn— vladimir putin, don't you want to-putin-defeat?- vladimir putin, don't you want to putin defeat? no to bully putin into defeat? no woa— to bully putin into defeat? no you neet— to bully putin into defeat? no you neet to— to bully putin into defeat? no you need to negotiate- to bully putin into defeat? no you need to negotiate properly. okay. right. fine but negotiate tnroatn— okay. right. fine but negotiate through--_ okay. right. fine but negotiate tnroatn-. tnat- okay. right. fine but negotiate through-. that is- okay. right. fine but negotiate through . that is what through strength. that is what lept— through strength. that is what lept tatrn— through strength. that is what lept tatrn rn— through strength. that is what kept putin in check before . and kept putin in check before. and the kept putin in check before. and tne—ne- kept putin in check before. and tne—ne trtn-t- the simple fact is he didn't atvanee— the simple fact is he didn't advance anything when trump advance on anything when trump was-te— advance on anything when trump was-te trt— advance on anything when trump was- he did under- was in office. he did under etana— was in office. he did under obama-biden- was in office. he did under obama-biden .- was in office. he did under obama biden . and was in office. he did under obama-biden . and knows obama and biden. and he knows as well—unfortunately- well the fact that unfortunately t-an_ well the fact that unfortunately _an rnterest- well the fact that unfortunately ,-an interest in- , biden has an interest in prolontrnt— , biden has an interest in prolonging the- , biden has an interest in prolonging the war because his son prolonging the war because his sat— prolonging the war because his son sat on the— prolonging the war because his son sat on the ukrainian gas toart—a-

son sat on the ukrainian gas toart—a lot- son sat on the ukrainian gas board—a lot of. son sat on the ukrainian gas- board_a lot of money board and he has a lot of money rnvestet— board and he has a lot of money rnvestetltne— board and he has a lot of money invested the whereas invested in the region, whereas tramp—tne- invested in the region, whereas trump—the ties.. invested in the region, whereas trump—the ties. ifj trump doesn't have the ties. if tney— trump doesn't have the ties. if tney-tnrs— trump doesn't have the ties. if they-this country,- trump doesn't have the ties. if they this country, i'd they were in this country, i'd say— they were in this country, i'd say tnat— they were in this country, i'd say tnat was— they were in this country, i'd say that was libellous. that's trae. — say that was libellous. that's trae. _w- say that was libellous. that's true. _york-have say that was libellous. that's- true. _york- have one true. the new york post have one of true. the new york post have one ot—tnat— true. the new york post have one of_that worries- true. the new york post have one of_that worries me- of the things that worries me atoat— of the things that worries me atoat n,— of the things that worries me atoat n, all— of the things that worries me about it, all of— of the things that worries me about it, all of this scenario is about it, all of this scenario rs-aetaally.— about it, all of this scenario is-actually, if- about it, all of this scenario is-actually, if you - about it, all of this scenario. is-actually, if you -at is that actually, if you look at nrlrtary— is that actually, if you look at our military might, it is senarnly— our military might, it is certainly not- our military might, it is certainly not what it once was. wnetner— certainly not what it once was. whether that's— certainly not what it once was. whether that's personal- certainly not what it once was. whether that's personal hell, whether that's stock, ammunition, whatever it and whether that's stock, adotunition, whatever it and whether that's stock, ado worry n, whatever it and whether that's stock, ado worry that�*iatever it and whether that's stock, ado worry that actuallyt and whether that's stock, ado worry that actually a and i do worry that actually a government's primary responsibility is to making sure that us here in this country are safe mixes . oh, thank that us here in this country are safe mixes. oh, thank god churchill didn't have the attitude of your lot in 1939. ukraine is fighting for its very existence and deserves all of our why should they our support. why should they seek peace until russia withdraws from there sovereign territory? the thing that's got lots of you guys talking again tonight, though, is whether or not mothers should be stay at home mums. i've got to say, joe, so many people, so many women actually disagreeing with you, saying that they did stay at home, they would stay at home. that's a choice that they were superb. they were proud of that. t hey— superb. they were proud of that. trey-to. — superb. they were proud of that. trey-to. well.- superb. they were proud of that. they _to. well, there i they were able to. well, there

you-you _ they were able to. well, there yoa-yoa gays.— they were able to. well, there yoa-yoa tays. sne- they were able to. well, there you .you guys. she says,- you go, you guys. she says, eoant— you go, you guys. she says, eoant-laely. - you go, you guys. she says, count lucky. that's you go, you guys. she says,- count-lucky. that's all count yourself lucky. that's all tve— count yourself lucky. that's all tve-ttne— count yourself lucky. that's all tve-ttne tor. — count yourself lucky. that's all i've-time for. .flies- count yourself lucky. that's all i've time for. flies when i've got time for. it flies when yoae— i've got time for. it flies when yoa-re—eonor- i've got time for. it flies when. you're—conor. thank you're having fun, conor. thank you,— you're having fun, conor. thank yoa-tnanl— you're having fun, conor. thank yoa-tnanl yoa.— you're having fun, conor. thank you, thank you. thank you you, joe. thank you. thank you at none. — you, joe. thank you. thank you at home. have— you, joe. thank you. thank you at home. have a— you, joe. thank you. thank you at home. have a wonderful night. ton-t—taratel at home. have a wonderful night. toap —tarate| at home. have a wonderful night. toap .ant—taratel at home. have a wonderful night. dcup .and i-faragel at home. have a wonderful night. dcup and i will farage at home. have a wonderful night. dcup and i will see farage at home. have a wonderful night. dcup and i will see you age is up next and i will see you tomorrow . hello— is up next and i will see you tomorrow . hello there. i'm is up next and i will see you tomorrow. hello there. i'm greg tewnarst— tomorrow. hello there. i'm greg tewnarst ant— tomorrow. hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest— dewhurst and welcome to your latest et— dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news— dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news whether it's going— latest gb news whether it's gone to— latest gb news whether it's gone to tarn— latest gb news whether it's going to turn quite chilly for the going to turn quite chilly for tne ttne— going to turn quite chilly for tne ttne ot— going to turn quite chilly for the time of year— going to turn quite chilly for the time of year tonight, possrtle— the time of year tonight, possible grass- the time of year tonight, possible grass frost, but it toes— possible grass frost, but it toes-well- possible grass frost, but it does-we'll be- possible grass frost, but it does we'll be mostly dry possible grass frost, but it- does-we'll be mostly dry as does mean we'll be mostly dry as we-taestay— does mean we'll be mostly dry as we-taestay. - does mean we'll be mostly dry as we-tuesday. and- does mean we'll be mostly dry as we-tuesday . and thei we head into tuesday. and the reason for this is this area of high through the week. high pressure through the week. it stays near, if not it generally stays near, if not over the uk, but at times it just away and allows weak just moves away and allows weak weather fronts to topple in, largely scotland and largely affecting scotland and northern ireland. and we could see we've seen see a few showers. we've seen a few around today . they few showers around today. they fade head into fade away as we head into the evening see, largely evening. as you can see, largely clear skies overnight and with light winds, we could see a touch of mist and fog, but we could also see the risk of frost in the countryside. so gardeners beware for tender plants, there could be some patchy frost to start tuesday morning, but plenty of sunshine thicker cloud

and showery rain does move into parts of northern scotland and this sinks its way southwards through the day. cloud bubbles up. so generally sunny spells or bright spells for many , but in bright spells for many, but in between it won't be too bad with light winds feeling quite warm. but the odd shower is still possible, particularly southern scotland, england , the scotland, northeast england, the odd heavy one possible and temperatures generally mid to high teens. so around average for the time of year. a few showers still running down the eastern of england as we eastern side of england as we head through the evening. but again , clearing skies to again, clearing skies due to that of high pressure will that area of high pressure will turn quite chilly, taking us into morning. thicker into wednesday morning. thicker cloud approaching the far north of scotland, too, as the next weather system moves in here. temperatures, towns and cities generally holding up perhaps a touch of frost again in the countryside for 1 touch of frost again in the countryside for1 or 2 prone countryside for 1 or 2 prone spots to start wednesday . and spots to start wednesday. and again, fairly dry, bright day, best of the sunshine across southern parts . elsewhere, southern parts. elsewhere, variable of cloud . and variable amounts of cloud. and then on we'll see rain then later on we'll see rain approaching the highlands and

this slowly pushing south and eastwards across scotland through day , dry and through the day, dry and brighter. thursday and friday for many. and temperatures also start to rise,

ulez . ulez. good alte- l good evening. ulez. good evening. well, it's an - good evening. well, it's an rnterestrnt— . good evening. well, it's an interesting one— - good evening. well, it's an interesting one this,— good evening. well, it's an interesting one this, isn't it? sir-starmer— interesting one this, isn't it? sir-starmer says- interesting one this, isn't it? sir starmer says it doesn't sir keir starmer says it doesn't teet— sir keir starmer says it doesn't teel tent— sir keir starmer says it doesn't teel tent-tu— sir keir starmer says it doesn't feel right eu citizens feel right that eu citizens lrvrnt— feel right that eu citizens lrvrnt rn— feel right that eu citizens living in britain don't have the vote. — living in britain don't have the vote. .tnn— living in britain don't have the vote. .tn torna— living in britain don't have the vote. .i'm going-ask. vote. but i'm going to ask tonight does british just tonight, does being british just not matter any more? and suella braverman giving a big, tough speech on we must cut speech on why we must cut immigration given immigration numbers. but given she's part of a government that had in power for 13 years had been in power for 13 years and failed totally, should we listen to anything she has to say and the tric awards? yes. remember i told you there was a deadune remember i told you there was a deadline of 5:00 on friday to vote for news presenter of the year? they've extended it for

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