ulez . ulez. good um.- l good evening. ulez. good evening. well, it's an . good evening. well, it's an interesting— . good evening. well, it's an interesting one— - good evening. well, it's an interesting one this,— good evening. well, it's an interesting one this, isn't it.7 sir-starmer_ interesting one this, isn't it.7 sir-starmer says- interesting one this, isn't it.7 sir starmer says it doesn't sir keir starmer says it doesn't feel— sir keir starmer says it doesn't feel right— sir keir starmer says it doesn't feel right-eu— sir keir starmer says it doesn't feel right eu citizens feel right that eu citizens living— feel right that eu citizens living in— feel right that eu citizens living in britain don't have the vote. — living in britain don't have the vote. mm— living in britain don't have the vote. mm going— living in britain don't have the vote. -i'm going-ask. vote. but i'm going to ask tonight does british just tonight, does being british just not matter any more.7 and suella braverman giving a big, tough speech on we must cut speech on why we must cut immigration given immigration numbers. but given she's part of a government that had in power for 13 years had been in power for 13 years and failed totally, should we listen to anything she has to say and the tric awards? yes. remember i told you there was a deadune remember i told you there was a deadline of 5:00 on friday to vote for news presenter of the year? they've extended it for

another week. i wonder why. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . nigel thank you. good evening to you.— . nigel thank you. good evening to you. the— . nigel thank you. good evening to you. the top— . nigel thank you. good evening to you. the top story— \\ gt; good evening to you. the top story tonight on gb to you. the top story tonight on ea news,— to you. the top story tonight on ea news, the— to you. the top story tonight on gb news, the home secretary has insisted— gb news, the home secretary has insisted-not— gb news, the home secretary has insisted not hypocrites , insisted it's not hypocrites, nicole— insisted it's not hypocrites, nicole for— insisted it's not hypocrites, nicole for her,— insisted it's not hypocrites, nicole for her, the child of migrants— nicole for her, the child of migrants to— nicole for her, the child of migrants to push for lower migrant— migrants to push for lower migrant action— migrants to push for lower migrant action in the uk in a speech— migrant action in the uk in a speech earlier— migrant action in the uk in a speech earlier today, suella braverman defended the government's- braverman defended the government's plan to cut net migration,— government's plan to cut net migration, saying it isn't racist— migration, saying it isn't racisi io— migration, saying it isn't racist to want- migration, saying it isn't racist to want to control our borders. — racist to want to control our borders. she _ racist to want to control our borders. she also argued that ani— borders. she also argued that mass and rapid— borders. she also argued that mass and rapid migration would be a— mass and rapid migration would be a burden— mass and rapid migration would be a burden on— mass and rapid migration would be a burden on housing and pubic— be a burden on housing and public services— be a burden on housing and public services ,_ be a burden on housing and public services , and she says public services, and she says im— public services, and she says iiie uk— public services, and she says the uk should— public services, and she says the uk should instead be iocussei— the uk should instead be focussed on— the uk should instead be focussed on creating highly skiiiei— focussed on creating highly skilled workers— focussed on creating highly skilled workers at home. “iii; skilled workers at home. there is no— skilled workers at home. there is no gossi— skilled workers at home. there is no good reason— skilled workers at home. there is no good reason on- skilled workers at home. there is no good reason on why we can't train up enough truck drivers , butchers, fruit drivers, butchers, fruit pickers, builders or welders. btec enables us to build a high skilled, high wage economy that

is less dependent on low skilled foreign labour. there well, the uk is going— foreign labour. there well, the uk is going is— foreign labour. there well, the uk is going to train— �*izziiz; g ” “iii; well, the uk is going to train ukraine's giiois— uk is going to train ukraine's giiois is— uk is going to train ukraine's piisis is ig— uk is going to train ukraine's pilots to fly western fighter isis — pilots to fly western fighter isis iii— pilots to fly western fighter isis, iii ii— pilots to fly western fighter jets, but it has— pilots to fly western fighter jets, but it has no plans to provide— jets, but it has no plans to provide them— jets, but it has no plans to provide them with actual planes . at provide them with actual planes . iii a— provide them with actual planes ii a mssiing— provide them with actual planes . at a meeting at— provide them with actual planes . at a meeting at chequers today , iss— . at a meeting at chequers today , iiis prime— . at a meeting at chequers today , the prime minister told pissiisni— , the prime minister told president zelenskyy that providing— president zelenskyy that providing warplanes wasn't straightforward, but rishi sunak promised— straightforward, but rishi sunak promised further— straightforward, but rishi sunak promised further air defence missiiss— promised further air defence missiles and— promised further air defence missiles and drones under the soniiiion— missiles and drones under the condition that— missiles and drones under the condition that they were used over ukrainian— condition that they were used over ukrainian soil. op; g over ukrainian soil. one thing we win— over ukrainian soil. one thing we will be doing starting actually relatively soon is training of ukrainian pilots and that's something that we've discussed today and we're ready to implement those plans in relatively short order , which relatively short order, which will mean that we're training ukrainian citizens to become absolutely combat ready aircraft , pilots . well, president , pilots. well, president zsisnskyy— well, president zelenskyy thanked the prime iiinisisg— zelenskyy thanked the prime minister, saying— zelenskyy thanked the prime minister, saying that air power is an— minister, saying that air power is an important— minister, saying that air power is an important issue for his sowing-s— is an important issue for his country's defences . : is an important issue for his country's defences. : country's defences. today we spoke— country's defences. today we spoke about the jets . very spoke about the jets. very important topic for us because

we can't control the sky. you know it. so i think you know everything deeply because we're real partners. rishi knows all the details of what's going on on our battlefield. thank you very much. and we want to create these jets coalition well, in other news today, - these jets coalition well, in other news today, a - c iii" well, in other news today, a former met poise— other news today, a former met ooiiee oiiioei— other news today, a former met police officer alleged he missed an police officer alleged he missed on opporiuniiy— police officer alleged he missed on opporiuniiy io— police officer alleged he missed an opportunity to properly investigate— an opportunity to properly investigate wayne cousins before he investigate wayne cousins before iie murdered— investigate wayne cousins before he murdered sarah— investigate wayne cousins before he murdered sarah everard . aide he murdered sarah everard. aide somoniiio— he murdered sarah everard. aide somoniiio iee— he murdered sarah everard. aide samantha lee is— he murdered sarah everard. aide samantha lee is said to have ioiiei— samantha lee is said to have ioiiei io— samantha lee is said to have failed to make— samantha lee is said to have failed to make the correct inaya invesiigoiive— failed to make the correct inaya investigative inquiries over two inoiienis— investigative inquiries over two inoiieniswiien— investigative inquiries over two incidents when he exposed iiimseii— incidents when he exposed iiimseii io— incidents when he exposed himself to female staff at a iesiouioni— himself to female staff at a restaurant in— himself to female staff at a restaurant in kent. it's claimed iiieie— restaurant in kent. it's claimed iiieie ewe— restaurant in kent. it's claimed there were issues— restaurant in kent. it's claimed there were issues with witness sioiemewis— there were issues with witness statements and _ there were issues with witness statements and evidence, and her iwwesiigoioi— statements and evidence, and her investigator work— statements and evidence, and her investigator work was allegedly iwsiiei— investigator work was allegedly iwsiiei .— investigator work was allegedly iwsiiei . iiiss— investigator work was allegedly rushed . miss lee— investigator work was allegedly rushed . miss lee is said to have rushed. miss lee is said to have iweooiiei— rushed. miss lee is said to have breached force's— rushed. miss lee is said to have breached force's standards on iwiies— breached force's standards on iwiies owi— breached force's standards on duties and responsibilities. charges— duties and responsibilities. cioiges sie— duties and responsibilities. charges she denies. the hearing is exoeoiei— charges she denies. the hearing is eopeeiei io— charges she denies. the hearing is expected to last— charges she denies. the hearing is expected to last seven days. iieowwiiiie— is expected to last seven days. meanwhile the _ is expected to last seven days. meanwhile the police watchdog is iiwesiigoiiwg— meanwhile the police watchdog is investigating after— meanwhile the police watchdog is investigating after an 11 year old investigating after an 11 year oii bov— investigating after an 11 year oii iow ws— investigating after an 11 year old boy was tasered , heard at

old boy was tasered, heard at a ioiiiow— old boy was tasered, heard at a iioiiiow gow— old boy was tasered, heard at a iioiiiow geek in— old boy was tasered, heard at a holiday park in scotland. police ooiiei— holiday park in scotland. police were called to— holiday park in scotland. police were called to a— holiday park in scotland. police were called to a caravan park aw— were called to a caravan park ayr iwsi— were called to a caravan park near ayr just after 11:00 on the neo— near ayr just after 11:00 on the new oi— near ayr just after 11:00 on the 22nd of march.— near ayr just after 11:00 on the 22nd of march. the little boy who— 22nd of march. the little boy who ws— 22nd of march. the little boy who was holding— 22nd of march. the little boy who was holding a knife fell to the who was holding a knife fell to we ground— who was holding a knife fell to the ground after— who was holding a knife fell to the ground after being tasered. ioiioe— the ground after being tasered. police scotland— the ground after being tasered. police scotland say the incident has been— police scotland say the incident has been referred— police scotland say the incident has been referred to the police investigations— has been referred to the police investigations and review commissioner— investigations and review commissioner , you're up to date commissioner, you're up to date on iv— commissioner, you're up to date on iv owiiwe— commissioner, you're up to date on iv owiiwe .— commissioner, you're up to date on tv online , dab+ radio and the on tv online, dab+ radio and the wee— on tv online, dab+ radio and the we in— on tv online, dab+ radio and the we in egg.— on tv online, dab+ radio and the iwwe in egg. iiiis— on tv online, dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is— on tv online, dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news. eiiioiw-s— tune in app. this is gb news. britain's news— tune in app. this is gb news. britain's news .— britain's news. channel |weii.— britain's news. channel l weii. ii— britain's news. channel . well, it was- britain's news. channel| - well, it was heavily britain's news. channel well, it was heavily trailed in yesterday's sunday newspapers that would that a labour government would extend voting rights to eu extend full voting rights to eu nationals living in the country and extend the franchise to 16 and extend the franchise to 16 and 17 year olds. and this, of course in some quarters has led to a hell of a row. there's also been an ongoing debate about proportional representation. if

labour needed, the liberal democrats would pr be the price that labour would have to pay. and this is a funny one because the labour conference last year actually voted for a form of proportional representation. but it's on the eu nationals that most of the headlines have been made. and this morning, sir keir starmer was on lbc radio and this is what he had to say. if someone has been here, say, ten, 20, 30 years is contributing to this economy part of our community, they ought to be able to vote . let me bring it alive. to vote. let me bring it alive. i-we— to vote. let me bring it alive. i-we oiwiowsiw— let me bring it alive. i've obviously knocked on a lot of i've obviously knocked on a lot oi doors— i've obviously knocked on a lot oi doors in— i've obviously knocked on a lot of doors in the— i've obviously knocked on a lot of doors in the last few years one— of doors in the last few years and wow— of doors in the last few years one you go— of doors in the last few years one you go io— of doors in the last few years and you go to doors sometimes in geweioi— and you go to doors sometimes in general election— and you go to doors sometimes in general election and— and you go to doors sometimes in general election and you're met wiiii— general election and you're met wiin someone— general election and you're met with someone who— general election and you're met with someone who says , look, i'm with someone who says, look, i'm an with someone who says, look, i'm on eu— with someone who says, look, i'm on eu oiiizen— with someone who says, look, i'm an eu citizen. i've— with someone who says, look, i'm an eu citizen. i've been living newe— an eu citizen. i've been living nene ion— an eu citizen. i've been living nene ion so— an eu citizen. i've been living here for 30 years. _ an eu citizen. i've been living here for 30 years. i'm married to here for 30 years. i'm married io n— here for 30 years. i'm married io n iii.— here for 30 years. i'm married io n one my— here for 30 years. i'm married to a brit. my kids— here for 30 years. i'm married to a brit. my kids were raised oni— to a brit. my kids were raised and inowgni— to a brit. my kids were raised and inongni no— to a brit. my kids were raised and brought up here. they're now working— and brought up here. they're now working in— and brought up here. they're now working in ine— and brought up here. they're now working in the uk— and brought up here. they're now working in the uk .— and brought up here. they're now working in the uk. i'm even , you working in the uk. i'm even, you know,— working in the uk. i'm even, you know, weii— working in the uk. i'm even, you know, well, working— working in the uk. i'm even, you know, well, working in lots of oonnwniiw— know, well, working in lots of community projects etcetera. but i community projects etcetera. but i son-i— community projects etcetera. but i eon-i woie— community projects etcetera. but i eon-i woie .— community projects etcetera. but i can't vote . and— community projects etcetera. but i can't vote . and i— community projects etcetera. but i can't vote . and i think i can't vote. and i think inene-s— i can't vote. and i think inene-s o— i can't vote. and i think there's a there's a that feels wrong—

there's a there's a that feels wrong one— there's a there's a that feels wrong and something ought to be none— wrong and something ought to be done oiowi— wrong and something ought to be done oiowi ii— wrong and something ought to be done about it. _ wrong and something ought to be done about it . viii“ c done about it. well, it feels wrong to sir keir starmer but not to most of us. after all, the qualification to vote in a national election is to be a national election is to be a national of that country and across the rest of europe , you across the rest of europe, you know, in and germany and know, in france and germany and portugal and spain, they don't allow foreign nationals to vote in their general elections. and whilst it's true, sir keir, that some eu nationals have been here for 30 years, there are many others who've been here a others who've been here for a very period of time. do very short period of time. do you want them to have the vote to some have said this is pure gerrymandering . he wants to get gerrymandering. he wants to get all those people on the electoral register so that at some point in the future he can take or try to take us take us back or try to take us back into the european union. i don't know for a moment whether thatis don't know for a moment whether that is true or not, but it does seem to me that it feels wrong to me to give foreign nationals the vote and if they're so dedicated, keir, to this country, why don't they opt for citizenship? go through the legal process, pass the

appropriate tests. you see, it's as if we're saying being a british citizen, being a british passport holder doesn't really count for anything . it's an count for anything. it's an inqu count for anything. it's an insult in a way , to the status insult in a way, to the status of that citizenship. that's my thought on it. but please tell me what you think. does being a british citizen really matter? farage@gbnews.uk well, joining me is gb news political editor darren mccaffrey. darren why now? i mean , suddenly it's there now? i mean, suddenly it's there in the sunday newspapers and, you know, in principle , he's not you know, in principle, he's not saying it will be in the manifesto. yes but he's defending the principle. why now? well, i think he's kind of flowing— now? well, i think he's kind of iiooiing on— now? well, i think he's kind of floating an idea,— now? well, i think he's kind of floating an idea, if— , well, i think he's kind of floating an idea, if you like, wigei,— floating an idea, if you like, wigei, you— floating an idea, if you like, nigel, you look— floating an idea, if you like, nigel, you look at labor nigel, you look at the labor party— nigel, you look at the labor pony-been- nigel, you look at the labor. party-been-over party who've been accused over the party who've been accused over ine—oi— party who've been accused over ine—oi-oi- party who've been accused over ine—oi-oi noi| the last couple of years of not neoiiw— the last couple of years of not really nowing— the last couple of years of not really having any— the last couple of years of not really having any ideas. it's been— really having any ideas. it's been lconstant_ really having any ideas. it's been constant criticism of sir been a constant criticism of sir nei— been a constant criticism of sir weir sinner.— been a constant criticism of sir keir starmer. he's— been a constant criticism of sir keir starmer. he's not really cone-onwining- keir starmer. he's not really come anything new keir starmer. he's not really- come-anything new that's come up with anything new that's iisiinoiiwe— come up with anything new that's distinctive -what_ come up with anything new that's distinctive what the distinctive from what the conservative _ distinctive from what the conservative party doing conservative party is doing in gowennneni— conservative party is doing in gowennneni .— conservative party is doing in government . apart from saying i government. apart from saying i nigni—none- might do it a bit more competently- competently and this is part of a competently and this is part of o-ioowneni.— competently and this is part of a-document. 86- competently and this is part of a document. 86 pages long. a wider document. 86 pages long. inis— a wider document. 86 pages long. we is— a wider document. 86 pages long. we is es— a wider document. 86 pages long. we is os-sow— a wider document. 86 pages long. this is as-say, one— a wider document. 86 pages long. this is as say, one the this is as you say, one of the nine— this is as you say, one of the nine-inni- this is as you say, one of the.

kind -that-have kind of things that people have newe— kind of things that people have nave—ani- kind of things that people have nave—ann ii-s- have jumped on. and it's a new— have jumped on. and it's a pretty radical— have jumped on. and it's a pretty radical idea. i mean, niiooi— pretty radical idea. i mean, noiiooi in— pretty radical idea. i mean, radical in the— pretty radical idea. i mean, radical in the sense even radical in the sense that even wnen—oi- radical in the sense that even wnen—oi ine- when you just look at the nwnnenis— when you just look at the numbers-it's. when you just look at the. numbers-it's quite numbers involved, it's quite extraordinary. _ numbers involved, it's quite extraordinary. just extraordinary. this isn't just eu extraordinary. this isn't just iu—is- extraordinary. this isn't just iii—is oiso- extraordinary. this isn't justj eu_is also the eu citizens. this is also the one— eu citizens. this is also the other foreign— eu citizens. this is also the other foreign nationals who are nesiieni— other foreign nationals who are nesiieni in— other foreign nationals who are resident in this— other foreign nationals who are resident in this country. other foreign nationals who are resident in this country . and 16 resident in this country. and 16 one— resident in this country. and 16 and ii— resident in this country. and 16 and ii ween— resident in this country. and 16 and 17 year olds— resident in this country. and 16 and 17 year olds to that would sweii— and 17 year olds to that would sweii ine— and 17 year olds to that would swell the electorate by 6.5 niiiion. — swell the electorate by 6.5 million. that's— swell the electorate by 6.5 million. that's a massive it's a massive number— million. that's a massive it's a massive number of— million. that's a massive it's a massive number of people. no of nei— massive number of people. no of course, keir starmer starmer sowing— course, keir starmer starmer sowing inis— course, keir starmer starmer saying this doesn't pass the common sense— saying this doesn't pass the common sense test not having inis— common sense test not having we in— common sense test not having we in niece.— common sense test not having this in place. if— common sense test not having this in place. if you've lived nee— this in place. if you've lived nee-wens— this in place. if you've lived here-years and- this in place. if you've lived here years and you pay your here for years and you pay your ines— here for years and you pay your ioes sinew— here for years and you pay your taxes, surely should taxes, surely you should have a igni— taxes, surely you should have a nigni io— taxes, surely you should have a nigni io sow— taxes, surely you should have a right to say how— taxes, surely you should have a right to say how those taxes are sneni. — right to say how those taxes are sneni. owi— right to say how those taxes are speni. nni wow-ne— right to say how those taxes are spent. but you're right for one— spent. but you're right for oinen-io- spent. but you're right for other-to-at. spent. but you're right fori other-to-at the spent. but you're right for- other-to-at the end other people to say at the end of other people to say at the end oi ine— other people to say at the end oi ine inw— other people to say at the end of the day,-about- of the day, this is about essentially— of the day, this is about essentially who can vote in eieoiions— essentially who can vote in elections. it's— essentially who can vote in elections. it's very, very odd inni— elections. it's very, very odd that foreigners— elections. it's very, very odd that foreigners are allowed to we— that foreigners are allowed to woie in— that foreigners are allowed to vote in elections.— that foreigners are allowed to vote in elections. doesn't nopgen— vote in elections. doesn't happen-united- vote in elections. doesn't happen united states, happen in the united states, ioesn-i— happen in the united states, ioesn-i-onw- happen in the united states,- ioesn-i-onw-iu doesn't happen in any other eu oowninw— doesn't happen in any other eu country-weirdly— doesn't happen in any other eu country.-weirdly ,- doesn't happen in any other eu country. weirdly , the country. the weirdly, the nineipie — country. the weirdly, the nineipie is— country. the weirdly, the principle is broken here in the inni— principle is broken here in the sense that commonwealth, most commonwealth— sense that commonwealth, most commonwealth citizens and oiiizens— commonwealth citizens and oiiizens oi— commonwealth citizens and citizens of the— commonwealth citizens and citizens of the republic of ineioni— citizens of the republic of ireland are— citizens of the republic of ireland are allowed to vote in uk elections— ireland are allowed to vote in uk elections .— ireland are allowed to vote in uk elections . obviously that's uk elections. obviously that's got uk elections. obviously that's goi-iies— uk elections. obviously that's goi-iies-is- got historical ties, so it is a ieioie— got historical ties, so it is a ieioie. nonw— got historical ties, so it is a

debate. many people, as you just got historical ties, so it is a debatif many people, as you just got historical ties, so it is a debatif you 1y people, as you just got historical ties, so it is a debatif you actuallya, as you just got historical ties, so it is a debatif you actually have you just got historical ties, so it is a debatif you actually have livedist said, if you actually have lived for said, if you actually have lived ion-enowgn- said, if you actually have lived for-enough, just- for here long enough, just become— for here long enough, just become citizen. if become a british citizen. if inoi-s— become a british citizen. if inoi-s-woni- become a british citizen. ifi that's-wantldo. become a british citizen. if- that's-wantldo. you that's what you want to do. you know— that's what you want to do. you know .— that's what you want to do. you know , oni— that's what you want to do. you know , one ine— that's what you want to do. you know , and the 16— that's what you want to do. you know , and the 16 to 17 year old know, and the 16 to 17 year old iiing— know, and the 16 to 17 year old wing-sonne— know, and the 16 to 17 year old thing, course, scotland has thing, of course, scotland has gone— thing, of course, scotland has none-ion— thing, of course, scotland has done .for scottish - done this for scottish parliament- done this for scottish parliament yeah. and parliament elections. yeah. and wakes— parliament elections. yeah. and wakes-wakes— parliament elections. yeah. and wales-wales has- wales as well. wales has now ininoiwoei— wales as well. wales has now introduced-is- wales as well. wales has now introduced is again introduced it. so this is again inis— introduced it. so this is again we ideo— introduced it. so this is again this idea that— introduced it. so this is again this idea that it's— introduced it. so this is again this idea that it's a 16 year oin— this idea that it's a 16 year on you— this idea that it's a 16 year on you eon— this idea that it's a 16 year old. you can do— this idea that it's a 16 year old. you can do a hell of a lot of old. you can do a hell of a lot oi inings— old. you can do a hell of a lot oi inings ini— old. you can do a hell of a lot of things, but you— old. you can do a hell of a lot of things, but you cannot vote oni— of things, but you cannot vote one-inowgn— of things, but you cannot vote and though would say that and many though would say that ooiwoiiw— and many though would say that ooiwoiiw ii— and many though would say that actually if-look_ and many though would say that actually if-look at- and many though would say that actually if look at lots of actually if you look at lots of ine— actually if you look at lots of the—liberties- actually if you look at lots of the—liberties of. the rights and liberties of young— the rights and liberties of young-i- the rights and liberties of young , they're the rights and liberties of- young-, they're actually young people, they're actually going— young people, they're actually going-opposiie- young people, they're actually going opposite direction. young people, they're actually goinsense opposite direction. young people, they're actually goin sense that posite direction. young people, they're actually goin sense that youte direction. young people, they're actually goin sense that you can'tection. young people, they're actually goin sense that you can't buy n. the sense that you can't buy oioonoi— the sense that you can't buy oioonoi on— the sense that you can't buy oioonoi on o— the sense that you can't buy alcohol or a national lottery ticket—until- alcohol or a national lotteryi ticket—until you're ticket or tobacco until you're now— in- ticket or tobacco until you're now— in sowing| ticket or tobacco until you're- now_. in saying that, now much older. in saying that, you— now much older. in saying that, you know,— now much older. in saying that, you know, ine— now much older. in saying that, you know, the conservative party ioiow— you know, the conservative partyj ioiow—sionnen today have accused keir starmer of today have accused keir starmer oi esseniioiiw— today have accused keir starmer of essentially trying to rig the eieoionoie— of essentially trying to rig the eieoionie .— of essentially trying to rig the electorate , if— of essentially trying to rig the electorate , if you _ of essentially trying to rig the electorate , if you like, trying electorate, if you like, trying to electorate, if you like, trying io-woie— electorate, if you like, trying io-woie kw— electorate, if you like, trying to -vote by the - electorate, if you like, trying to vote by the way, to rig the vote by the way, oiwiowsiw— to rig the vote by the way,- obviously—come obviously this would only come in-were elected.- obviously this would only come in were elected. so in if labour were elected. so inis— in if labour were elected. so ins-going— in if labour were elected. so inis-going io- in if labour were elected. so this going to happen at this is not going to happen at the this is not going to happen at ine next— this is not going to happen at the next general— this is not going to happen at the next general election, even if the next general election, even ii—in— the next general election, even ii—in ine— the next general election, even if in the manifesto, if it ends up in the manifesto, oiwiowsiw— if it ends up in the manifesto, oiwionsiwlwow— if it ends up in the manifesto, obviously. you know what? obviously. but you know what? wnen— obviously. but you know what? wnen-io — obviously. but you know what? when -to .citizensl obviously. but you know what?- when -to .citizens and when it comes to eu citizens and ioneign— foreign nationals, as you oiiwiei— foreign nationals, as you oiiwieil— foreign nationals, as you alluded , don't really foreign nationals, as you- alluded .,.don't really have alluded to, we don't really have any— alluded to, we don't really have any ideo— alluded to, we don't really have any idea .— alluded to, we don't really have any idea . there's— alluded to, we don't really have any idea . there's assumption any idea. there's an assumption inew—ioiown- any idea. there's an assumption they—labour, buti they would vote for labour, but inoi-s— they would vote for labour, but inoi-s noi— they would vote for labour, but that's not necessarily true. a lot that's not necessarily true. a ioi oi— that's not necessarily true. a lot of essentially— that's not necessarily true. a lot of essentially people from of

lot of essentially people from oi owisiie — lot of essentially people from of outside kind— lot of essentially people from of outside kind of heritage from the of outside kind of heritage from ine wk— of outside kind of heritage from the uk decided— of outside kind of heritage from the uk decided to— of outside kind of heritage from the uk decided to vote for inext— the uk decided to vote for brexit when _ the uk decided to vote for brexit when it— the uk decided to vote for brexit when it comes to 16 to 70 wears— brexit when it comes to 16 to 70 wears on — brexit when it comes to 16 to 70 wens on so— brexit when it comes to 16 to 70 years old. so that— brexit when it comes to 16 to 70 years old. so that is— brexit when it comes to 16 to 70 years old. so that is a bit more sienn— years old. so that is a bit more oieon owi. — years old. so that is a bit more oieon out we— years old. so that is a bit more clear cut. we know— years old. so that is a bit more clear cut. we know from poll oiien— clear cut. we know from poll oiien noti— clear cut. we know from poll after poll that— clear cut. we know from poll after poll that young people are iikeiw— after poll that young people are iikeiw io— after poll that young people are more likely to vote labour given wini— more likely to vote labour given wnoi inew-ne — more likely to vote labour given what they're taught. what they're being taught. i'm not—think! not surprised. and so i think that would massive that that would be a massive shift. on the other shift. and darren, on the other issue, the big issue that the liberal democrats have pushed for decades and that i'm a big supporter of the idea that we have proportionality in our voting system despite that labour conference vote keir starmer fairly cool on that one. you know what? when parties tend to win— you know what? when parties tend to win tower— you know what? when parties tend to win power with— you know what? when parties tend to win power with a— you know what? when parties tend to win power with a majority , to win power with a majority, inew— to win power with a majority, inew teno— to win power with a majority, inew ieni io— to win power with a majority, they tend to very— to win power with a majority, they tend to very quickly cool off they tend to very quickly cool oii-iieo— they tend to very quickly cool oii-iieo oi— they tend to very quickly cool off idea of proportional off the idea of proportional representation. _ off the idea of proportional representation. was representation. there was much ioik— representation. there was much talk-tony— representation. there was much ioik-ionw-wos- representation. there was much talk tony was sidling talk when tony blair was sidling up talk when tony blair was sidling wn io— talk when tony blair was sidling no to notew— talk when tony blair was sidling up to paddy ashdown, even though he up to paddy ashdown, even though ne iiin-i— up to paddy ashdown, even though ne gang-ag— he didn't need it, that there nigni— he didn't need it, that there nigni-we- he didn't need it, that there might-we heard- he didn't need it, that there might we heard as well. might be that we heard as well. of might be that we heard as well. oi sowse— might be that we heard as well. of course, the _ might be that we heard as well. of course, the lib— might be that we heard as well. of course, the lib dems push for a of course, the lib dems push for o—ii.— of course, the lib dems push for o—ii. ien— of course, the lib dems push for o—ii. ien wears- of course, the lib dems push for a_it. ten years ago. a reversion of it. ten years ago wnen— a reversion of it. ten years ago when—coalition. a reversion of it. ten years ago. when—coalition with when they were in coalition with the conservative _ when they were in coalition with the conservative party. think when they were in coalition with thtthe nservative party. think when they were in coalition with thtthe end lative party. think when they were in coalition with thtthe end it'sie party. think when they were in coalition with thtthe end it's prettyy. think when they were in coalition with thtthe end it's pretty unlikely in the end it's pretty unlikely to noppen— in the end it's pretty unlikely to noppen. ii— in the end it's pretty unlikely to happen. if labour were to get a to happen. if labour were to get o not-onw— to happen. if labour were to get o noioniiw oni— to happen. if labour were to get a majority and also there was an assumption— a majority and also there was an assumption after— a majority and also there was an assumption after the local eieoiions— assumption after the local elections a— assumption after the local elections a couple weeks ago

elections a couple of weeks ago inni— elections a couple of weeks ago inn-ii— elections a couple of weeks ago inoi-ii noi— elections a couple of weeks ago that-it had been- elections a couple of weeks ago that-it had been a- elections a couple of weeks ago that it had been a very that actually it had been a very ini— that actually it had been a very new nigni— that actually it had been a very new nigni ion— that actually it had been a very bad night for the— that actually it had been a very bad night for the conservative party,— bad night for the conservative party, necessarily party, but not necessarily a geni— party, but not necessarily a great-labour.- party, but not necessarily a. great-labour. there's great night for labour. there's been— great night for labour. there's been evidence— great night for labour. there's been evidence emerged. it's been evidence has emerged. it's not—sineionl been evidence has emerged. it's not—sineion oii been evidence has emerged. it's not imagination stretch of been evidence has emerged. it's not imagination , stretch of been evidence has emerged. it's not imagination , but stretch of been evidence has emerged. it's not imagination , but there :h of been evidence has emerged. it's not imagination , but there was a the imagination, but there was a neit— the imagination, but there was a new-oi— the imagination, but there was a hell-of tactical- the imagination, but there was a hell of tactical voting hell of a lot of tactical voting in -ioooi— hell of a lot of tactical voting in-local elections- in those local elections and ooiwoiiw— in those local elections and actually-came- in those local elections and actually-came to- in those local elections and actually came to a general actually they came to a general eieoiion — actually they came to a general eieoiion .— actually they came to a general eieoiion .-oi— actually they came to a general election .-of-voters| election. many of those voters wno— election. many of those voters wno iii— election. many of those voters wno iii woie— election. many of those voters who did vote for— election. many of those voters who did vote for the lib dems, the who did vote for the lib dems, ine iooois— who did vote for the lib dems, the locals would _ who did vote for the lib dems, the locals would switch to know— the locals would switch to labour-the - the locals would switch toi labour-the .past the locals would switch to- labour-the - past the labour under the first past the post:— labour under the first past the post unten— labour under the first past the post, under-first- labour under the first past the post, under first past the post, under the first past the posi— post, under the first past the nosi—inoi- post, under the first past the| post—that labour post system, and that labour ooiwoiiw—geii actually probably would get a noioniiw. — actually probably would get a noioniiw. .weii— actually probably would get a noioniiw. .weii .- actually probably would get a majority. well , this is majority. but well, this is poiiiios— majority. but well, this is poiiiies. we— majority. but well, this is politics. we know there's going to politics. we know there's going ioleieoiion— politics. we know there's going to.election.least- politics. we know there's going to election least and we to be election at least and we newene-w— to be election at least and we never-we never- to be election at least and we- never-we never-well, never know. we never know. well, talking liberal democrats, talking of liberal democrats, i'm sir vince cable , i'm joined by sir vince cable, former of that party. former leader of that party. vince, for decades, your party has argued for proportionality and our voting system. and it's something that i agree with entirely . where do you stand on entirely. where do you stand on the idea that 16 year olds should be able to vote? yeah, of course they should vote. i'm strongly in favour of- course they should vote. i'm strongly in favour of it.- strongly in favour of it. we've ongwei— strongly in favour of it. we've ongwei ii— strongly in favour of it. we've ongnei ii ion— strongly in favour of it. we've argued it for many years. it's got— argued it for many years. it's got noining— argued it for many years. it's got noining io— argued it for many years. it's got nothing to do with tactical calculations— got nothing to do with tactical calculations about how many of inen — calculations about how many of inen wowe— calculations about how many of them would vote— calculations about how many of them would vote for us. i think wini— them would vote for us. i think what-decided— them would vote for us. i think what decided covid in what we decided covid in sooiioni—

what we decided covid in scotland actually that they're voting— scotland actually that they're woiing patents— scotland actually that they're voting patents greatly voting patents weren't greatly iiiieneni— voting patents weren't greatly different-older- voting patents weren't greatly different older people. but different from older people. but the different from older people. but ine reason— different from older people. but the reason why— different from older people. but the reason why it's right, i ii-s— the reason why it's right, i mean, it's not— the reason why it's right, i mean, it's not merely that we wani— mean, it's not merely that we wont young— mean, it's not merely that we want young people to be poiiiieoiiw— want young people to be politically engaged, but we're ieooning— politically engaged, but we're becoming older— politically engaged, but we're becoming older as a society . becoming older as a society. iioiiw— becoming older as a society. iioiiw inene-s— becoming older as a society. motty there's a— becoming older as a society. motty there's a much heavier weigni— motty there's a much heavier weigni on— motty there's a much heavier weigni on ine— motty there's a much heavier weight on the opinions of older peonie— weight on the opinions of older peogie wno— weight on the opinions of older people who, naturally enough, wani— people who, naturally enough, woni io — people who, naturally enough, woni to spend— people who, naturally enough, want to spend money on health oni— want to spend money on health and sene— want to spend money on health and care rather— want to spend money on health and care rather than educate oniiinen— and care rather than educate children and— and care rather than educate children and training, which is the children and training, which is ine insis— children and training, which is ine iosis oi— children and training, which is the basis of our.— children and training, which is the basis of our. why not 14? the basis of our. so why not 14? wet— the basis of our. so why not 14? wet .— the basis of our. so why not 14? wet . vou— the basis of our. so why not 14? wet . you son— the basis of our. so why not 14? well , you can argue— the basis of our. so why not 14? well , you can argue about- well, you can argue about whether silly is i'm perfectly happy to have that debate or 12 or you could i mean let's debate. but at the moment we're ioiking— debate. but at the moment we're ioiking atoni— debate. but at the moment we're talking about 16— debate. but at the moment we're talking about 16 to— debate. but at the moment we're talking about 16 to 18.— : but at the moment we're talking about 16 to 18. should you— talking about 16 to 18. should you ie— talking about 16 to 18. should you we owe. — talking about 16 to 18. should you be able. : you be able. okay. should you be able to stand for parliament, age 16? i don't see why not. part of the empowerment of wonngen— part of the empowerment of wonngen oeone,— part of the empowerment of younger people, giving younger peonie— younger people, giving younger peogie o— younger people, giving younger people a bigger— younger people, giving younger people a bigger stake in sooieiw— people a bigger stake in society. as— people a bigger stake in society. as i— people a bigger stake in society. as i said, you know , society. as i said, you know, goi— society. as i said, you know, goi on— society. as i said, you know, we've got an imbalance in the way— we've got an imbalance in the wow we— we've got an imbalance in the wow we spent— we've got an imbalance in the way we spend our— we've got an imbalance in the way we spend our resources . you way we spend our resources. you know,— way we spend our resources. you know, wowngen— way we spend our resources. you know, younger people have enormous disadvantage in the inoi— enormous disadvantage in the sense that let— enormous disadvantage in the sense that let me make the point , oeooie— sense that let me make the point , oeooie oi— sense that let me make the point , people oi nw— sense that let me make the point , people of my generation have

got enonnnos— , people of my generation have got enormous advantages in the property— got enormous advantages in the onooenw nonkei— got enormous advantages in the property market, for example, you— property market, for example, wow know,— property market, for example, wow know, in— property market, for example, you know, in keeping house wises— you know, in keeping house oniees nign— you know, in keeping house prices high, younger people find it prices high, younger people find ii wenw— prices high, younger people find it very difficult— prices high, younger people find it very difficult to— prices high, younger people find it very difficult to get any kind— it very difficult to get any kind oi— it very difficult to get any kind of stable,— it very difficult to get any kind of stable, secure, cheaper accommodation.— kind of stable, secure, cheaper accommodation. so that voice needs— accommodation. so that voice neeos io— accommodation. so that voice needs to ie— accommodation. so that voice needs to be heard— accommodation. so that voice needs to be heard and that in nw— needs to be heard and that means, in my view, giving wowngen— means, in my view, giving younger people a bigger ooiiiiooi— younger people a bigger political stake. « cc: �*" younger people a bigger political stake. « {.iii; �*" political stake. vince, if we could just standardise all of this, you know, if you if you if you can't buy a pint of beer or a packet of cigarettes, then you shouldn't able vote. so shouldn't be able to vote. so let's standardise one let's standardise it all at one age it's rather age because it's rather confusing foreign nationals potentially to have the vote doesn't happen anywhere else in europe. in europe. it doesn't happen in america. happen america. it doesn't happen anywhere. should it happen here? yes and already does, as yes and it already does, as bowen— yes and it already does, as darren-indicated,l yes and it already does, as. darren-indicated, with darren has just indicated, with some commonwealth. some of the commonwealth. yes. kno— some of the commonwealth. yes. and iois— some of the commonwealth. yes. and iois oi— some of the commonwealth. yes. and lots of commonwealth citizens— and lots of commonwealthi citizens—irish citizens and people of irish noiionoiiiw— citizens and people of irish nationality and— citizens and people of irish nationality and let's not forget inoi— nationality and let's not forget inoi some— nationality and let's not forget that some years— nationality and let's not forget that some years ago the conservative _ that some years ago the conservative then was conservative government then was ekienoeo — conservative government then was ekienoeo ine— conservative government then was extended the franchise to oniiisn— extended the franchise to british residents living overseas for- british residents living overseas for a limited for a ine— overseas for a limited for a time, limited— overseas for a limited for a time, limited period. yes, indeed— time, limited period. yes, indeed .— time, limited period. yes, indeed . but— time, limited period. yes, indeed . but they don't pay taxes indeed. but they don't pay taxes none— indeed. but they don't pay taxes nene oni— indeed. but they don't pay taxes nene one new— indeed. but they don't pay taxes here and they have the vote. and you here and they have the vote. and

wow sowi— here and they have the vote. and wow sowio ongwe— here and they have the vote. and you could argue that there are some political— you could argue that there are some political blissidae, but wiiinoieiw— some political blissidae, but ultimately it— some political blissidae, but ultimately it was they have men— ultimately it was they have inein i— ultimately it was they have their i mean— ultimately it was they have their i mean and they have their pensions— their i mean and they have their pensions frozen— their i mean and they have their pensions frozen and all the rest of pensions frozen and all the rest oi-okow.— pensions frozen and all the rest oi-okow. so— pensions frozen and all the rest of-okay. so we've- pensions frozen and all the rest of-okay. so we've been. of it. okay. so we've been fairly liberal in extending the front, i mean, no other front, but i mean, no other country europe give country in europe would give foreign nationals a vote. why on earth should we? i think of earth should we? i think part of wow—is— earth should we? i think part of wown—is-we- your philosophy is that we snowi— your philosophy is that we should _thingi your philosophy is that we. should _thing and your philosophy is that we- should _thing and not should do our own thing and not just should do our own thing and not inst-oinen. — should do our own thing and not inst-oinen. .we- should do our own thing and not just-other. .we shouldl just copy other. no, we should do our own. well, yeah, but actually, you know, reciprocity might and might be quite a nice thing and i work on that basis. i could work on that basis. vince. but but i've, i mean , i vince. but but i've, i mean, i just thought you might have welcomed actually, welcomed this, actually, because, you if you look because, you know, if you look at position polish and at the position of polish and other east europeans, yeah, they're very conservative. a lot of them could have— they're very conservative. a lot of them could have just- f a lot of them could have just gone nook— of them could have just gone back—walked. back to poland and walked away. some— back to poland and walked away. some oi— back to poland and walked away. some oi inen— back to poland and walked away. some of them committed some of them have committed inenseiwes— some of them have committed themselves to— some of them have committed themselves to this country. inew-we— themselves to this country. they've _ status themselves to this country. . they've _ status as they've taken shtetl status as inew-ne— they've taken shtetl status as inew-ne now— they've taken shtetl status as inew-ne poni— they've taken shtetl status as they're now part of our society . iioiiw— they're now part of our society . iioiiw inew-ne— they're now part of our society . motty they're paying their ioes — . motty they're paying their taxes. .don't- . motty they're paying their taxes. - don't we - . motty they're paying their taxes. don't we welcome taxes. why don't we welcome inein— taxes. why don't we welcome inein inowii — taxes. why don't we welcome their input? i— taxes. why don't we welcome theirinput? f taxes. why don't we welcome their input? f their input? i welcome people like that that have come here, obeyed the law, worked hard, paid taxes. i welcome them paid their taxes. i welcome them applying british applying for british citizenship, through the citizenship, going through the process. i think otherwise you devalue what a british passport

is. i don't think so. they have seiiieo— is. i don't think so. they have settled status— is. i don't think so. they have settled status .— is. i don't think so. they have settled status . a— i don't think so. they have settled status . a lot of them. settled status. a lot of them. ine— settled status. a lot of them. ine wosi— settled status. a lot of them. the vast majority— settled status. a lot of them. the vast majority of them will outw— the vast majority of them will duly apply— the vast majority of them will duly apply for_ the vast majority of them will duly apply for british citizenship- duly apply for british citizenship with the extra nignis— citizenship with the extra nignis ono — citizenship with the extra rights and entitlements that not— rights and entitlements that that involves— rights and entitlements that that involves .— rights and entitlements that that involves . but in the that involves. but in the nneoniine— that involves. but in the meantime, we're talking about nesioenis— meantime, we're talking about residents, people— meantime, we're talking about residents, people who've been nene— residents, people who've been nene o— residents, people who've been nene o oenioo— residents, people who've been here a period of— residents, people who've been here a period of time and who've poki— here a period of time and who've toio inein— here a period of time and who've paid their taxes— here a period of time and who've paid their taxes a— here a period of time and who've paid their taxes a few weeks, pennoos— paid their taxes a few weeks, pennoos .— paid their taxes a few weeks, pennoos. in— paid their taxes a few weeks, perhaps. i'm all— paid their taxes a few weeks, perhaps. i'm all in favour of it. perhaps. i'm all in favour of ii. i— perhaps. i'm all in favour of ii. i neon— perhaps. i'm all in favour of ii. i i— perhaps. i'm all in favour of it. i mean, i don't know what ine— it. i mean, i don't know what ine ooiiiiooi— it. i mean, i don't know what the political consequences will be. the political consequences will ie. i— the political consequences will be. i inink— the political consequences will be. i think you're— the political consequences will be. i think you're making an osswnoiion— be. i think you're making an osswnoiion .— be. i think you're making an assumption . no,— be. i think you're making an assumption . no, no, no. they're assumption. no, no, no. they're all assumption. no, no, no. they're oii going— assumption. no, no, no. they're oii going io— assumption. no, no, no. they're all going to vote— assumption. no, no, no. they're all going to vote no , no, no. all going to vote no, no, no. in— all going to vote no, no, no. in ooiwoiiw— all going to vote no, no, no. in ooiwoiiw. i— all going to vote no, no, no. i'm actually. i know- all going to vote no, no, no. i'm actually. i know with eu citizens, i'm not. i agree with you. i think a lot of eu citizens from poland would probably be as big a brexiteers as i am. but it just seems the osoinoiion. — as i am. but it just seems the aspiration. but— as i am. but it just seems the aspiration. but it— but it just seems the aspiration. f as i am. but it just seems the aspiridevalueiut it certainly as i am. but it just seems the aspiridevalue ,it it certainly as i am. but it just seems the aspiridevalue , i it certainly as i am. but it just seems the aspiridevalue , i thinktainly as i am. but it just seems the aspiridevalue , i think what being does devalue, i think what being what being british citizen is. what being a british citizen is. vince proportional representation in, know, representation in, you know, the labour party conference voted for it. starmer is very equivocal about it, but the lib dems did really well in the local elections. there's no question about that. they were great results . if you were to great results. if you were to find yourself in a position, you

know , come next year of possibly know, come next year of possibly being as you were back in 2010, the important number of seats, what's the priority ? arnie is it what's the priority? arnie is it proportional representation or is it or is it getting closer back to the european union? what what's the number one thing for the liberal democrats? well, i'm not soeoking— the liberal democrats? well, i'm not speaking-them _ the liberal democrats? well, i'm not speaking-them like- if“ well, i'm not speaking them like you. if“ well, i'm not retiredig them like you. if“ well, i'm not retired from them like you. if“ well, i'm not retired from leadership.ou. if“ well, i'm not retired from leadership. i'm i'm retired from leadership. i'm not i'm retired from leadership. i'm noi in— i'm retired from leadership. i'm noi i-n noi— i'm retired from leadership. i'm noi i-n noi o— i'm retired from leadership. i'm not i'm not a spokesman . i i'm retired from leadership. i'm not i'm not a spokesman. i think the not i'm not a spokesman. i think ine onioniiw— not i'm not a spokesman. i think the priority actually would be giving— the priority actually would be giving ine— the priority actually would be giving the country stable government,— giving the country stable government, as we did back in zoo.— government, as we did back in zeio. wow— government, as we did back in zeio. wow okow— government, as we did back in 2010. now okay, if— government, as we did back in 2010. now okay, if other parties wont— 2010. now okay, if other parties woni own— 2010. now okay, if other parties woni swooon— 2010. now okay, if other parties want our support ,— 2010. now okay, if other parties want our support , probably not. want our support, probably not. cooiiiion— want our support, probably not. coalition but— want our support, probably not. coalition but but— want our support, probably not. coalition but but support for a some— coalition but but support for a sioiie tong— coalition but but support for a stable long term— coalition but but support for a stable long term government, wnoi— stable long term government, wnoi wowio— stable long term government, what would be— stable long term government, what would be the priority ? i what would be the priority? i inink— what would be the priority? i think working— what would be the priority? i think working towards better neioiions— think working towards better relations with _ think working towards better relations with europe is oenioiniw— relations with europe is oenioiniw o— relations with europe is certainly a priority . but you certainly a priority. but you know,— certainly a priority. but you know, we're not— certainly a priority. but you know, we're not going to rejoin in ine— know, we're not going to rejoin in ine next— know, we're not going to rejoin in the next few— know, we're not going to rejoin in the next few years. let's be neoiisiio— in the next few years. let's be realistic about— in the next few years. let's be realistic about that. i an eieoionoi— realistic about that. i an electoral reform . realistic about that. i an electoral reform. e electoral reform. but is it sit— electoral reform. but is it still that important electoral reform which can take different forms and happen over different time periods, local national government, different ways of doing it? not from our point of

view— doing it? not from our point of .— doing it? not from our point of . inoi— doing it? not from our point of view . that certainly— cit» g fl not from our point of view . that certainly would be view. that certainly would be nos— view. that certainly would be nos teen— view. that certainly would be nos ieen o— view. that certainly would be has been a central negotiating issue— has been a central negotiating . ien— has been a central negotiating issue . ten years— has been a central negotiating issue . cl" «sizes d has been a central negotiating issue . cl" «wizi3; d has been a central negotiating issue . d issue. ten years ago, you had the opportunity when nick clegg was deputy prime minister we finished up with a referendum on a form of voting that wasn't proportional. it was preferential. i mean, the whole thing was a disaster, wasn't it? it was a bad call. and it oion-i. — it was a bad call. and it oion-i. ii— it was a bad call. and it didn't. it was- it was a bad call. and it didn't. it was a- it was a bad call. and it didn't. e icy it was a bad call. and it didn't. e 3:33 33: it was a bad call. and it- didn't. it was a very bad call. just give us quickly when it comes to proportional representation , what sort of representation, what sort of form of pr would you like to see? well, it was all set out. you— see? well, it was all set out. you know,— see? well, it was all set out. you know, the— , well, it was all set out. you know, the labour government , ine— you know, the labour government , the commission,— you know, the labour government , the commission, roy jenkins, i nennenneni awn— , the commission, roy jenkins, i remember av+ which has the remember av+ plus which has the oowonioges— remember av+ plus which has the oowonioges oi— remember av+ plus which has the advantages of the— remember av+ plus which has the advantages of the british system . it advantages of the british system . ii nos— advantages of the british system . it has constituencies and it nos— . it has constituencies and it nos o— . it has constituencies and it nos o iot— . it has constituencies and it nos o too we— . it has constituencies and it has a top up system to create onoowision— has a top up system to create propulsion albie_ has a top up system to create propulsion albie it works well enowgn— propulsion albie it works well enowgn in— propulsion albie it works well enough in germany. it's you sowi— enough in germany. it's you onto sow— enough in germany. it's you onto sow o— enough in germany. it's you could say a different views oiowi— could say a different views about scotland,- could say a different views about scotland, but but it onowioes— about scotland, but but it provides more— about scotland, but but it provides more proportional woiing— provides more proportional woiing. kno— provides more proportional voting. and to— provides more proportional voting. and to my vote is both sioiie— voting. and to my vote is both sioiie oni— voting. and to my vote is both sioiie one o— voting. and to my vote is both stable and a success on that we ognee— stable and a success on that we agree wholeheartedly. ' : stable and a success on that we agree wholeheartedly. : e stable and a success on that we agree wholeheartedly. ' 3: e agree wholeheartedly. and it was inienesiing — agree wholeheartedly. and it was interesting to see in the mail

on saturday a big article by andrew neil saying that the first past the post system is the only way to get stable government. well, my retort to that would be it still led to a coalition between 2010 and 2015. and if you think back, an 80 seat majority that the tories have had has given a strong and stable government over the last few years. well, sorry , mr neil, few years. well, sorry, mr neil, i think it's for the birds and i do detect there is a big public change out there as i go around the country with gb news doing farage at large is it's the kind of thing people chat about. they feel in many constituencies there is just no point in them voting because they're not going to get heard. and so you finish up in a of first past the up in a lot of first past the post contests with people voting for a party they dislike less than the other party. and i think actually with some form of pr, we might start voting for parties that we actually like and believe i there's and believe in. i think there's and believe in. i think there's a groundswell in favour of it. in just a moment, we'll have a look at suella braverman speech today to yet another

conservative live conference. it seems the tories are spending their time fighting each other, but here she pretends that somehow we should reduce immigration numbers. well, after 13 years of a tory government, do we take her seriously

increased the gdp per capita ieoowse— increased the gdp per capita because there's— increased the gdp per capita because there's a lot more oeone.— because there's a lot more people- kno— because there's a lot more people. and earlier . will " people. and earlier. well, your neooiions— people. and earlier. well, your neooiions .— people. and earlier. well, your reactions , you know, is reactions, you know, is a british passport worth having if we're just going to dish out votes, willy nilly to everybody else, just says, i don't believe a word . most most humans have a word. most most humans have full reasoning ability and until the age of 21, race is the voting age, says josh howie . one voting age, says josh howie. one view of twitter, says everybody who pays taxes should get a vote, including 16 and 17 year olds that should be the first new brexit rule . i have to say. new brexit rule. i have to say. you know, i do like vince cable, but the idea that 16 year olds should stand for parliament and

perhaps get elected, i frankly think it's nonsense. doug says let kids be kids and leave it as it is until 18. and finally , it is until 18. and finally, mark says, starmer is saying 16 year olds are sensible enough to vote . but only a few months ago, vote. but only a few months ago, everyone was saying shamima begum at 16 was an old enough to understand what she was doing. so you can't have it both ways . so you can't have it both ways. now this is the second fringe conservative conference that's taken place in the space of the last few days. the first one was something of a boris revival, but another one that's going on in london monday, tuesday, wednesday of this week. and the big star act today was the home secretary suella braverman saying surely we should able saying surely we should be able to train our own lorry drivers, our own welders, our own fruit pickers or whatever it may be, rather than relying on on foreign labour. well yes, absolutely. suella i think i was saying that. ten, 20 years ago . saying that. ten, 20 years ago. so of course we should be able

to do these things. and then she goes on about how we must get a grip over immigration. well, i have to say, if she was giving that speech as a shadow home secretary, i might listen . but secretary, i might listen. but given over the last 13 years or they've broken every promise they've broken every promise they've made to an electorate. and just think about it, the 2010 manifesto, we're reduce it to tens of thousands , 2015, to tens of thousands, 2015, we're reduce it to tens of thousands net migration. this is 20 1718. we're going to control the number of people coming to britain from the european union, but allow other skilled workers and 2019 on australian style point system and we will establish immigration controls. this to me is a complete breach of trust . it's a breach of of trust. it's a breach of brexit trust to why would we take anything she says today seriously? well joining me down the line is alexander downer for our foreign affairs minister for

australia and high commissioner to the united kingdom and importantly , a man who's been importantly, a man who's been advising the uk government on immigration. advising the uk government on immigration . alexander, welcome immigration. alexander, welcome again to the program. normally you and i discuss the small boats problem and how australia deau boats problem and how australia dealt with it. a decade ago, but now we're talking about legal migration. these figures are due out on the 25th of this month. some think they could be as high as a net figure of a million in the last year and yet you seem to think that suella is now saying the right thing . well, i saying the right thing. well, i think she's saying— saying the right thing. well, i think she's saying the- 3g q3 333 well, i think she's saying the right ining— think she's saying the right gang, ini— think she's saying the right thing, iwi i— think she's saying the right thing, but i think there is a fundamental— thing, but i think there is a fundamental flaw in the uk's innignoiion— fundamental flaw in the uk's immigration policy, which has been— immigration policy, which has been o— immigration policy, which has been o iiow— immigration policy, which has been a flaw for— immigration policy, which has been a flaw for many years, and inoi— been a flaw for many years, and no is— been a flaw for many years, and no is inoi— been a flaw for many years, and that is that there— been a flaw for many years, and that is that there is— been a flaw for many years, and that is that there is no cap on ine— that is that there is no cap on ine nwnneni— that is that there is no cap on the number of— that is that there is no cap on the number of migrants taken . the number of migrants taken. inene— the number of migrants taken. there should— the number of migrants taken. there should be— the number of migrants taken. there should be a cap . i mean, there should be a cap. i mean, it there should be a cap. i mean, ii sees— there should be a cap. i mean, ii io— there should be a cap. i mean, it seems to me— there should be a cap. i mean, it seems to me so— there should be a cap. i mean, it seems to me so obvious there snowi— it seems to me so obvious there snowio ie— it seems to me so obvious there snowio to o— it seems to me so obvious there snowio to o eon— it seems to me so obvious there should be a cap on— it seems to me so obvious there should be a cap on the number of skiiieo— should be a cap on the number of skilled migrants— should be a cap on the number of skilled migrants and then within that skilled migrants and then within inoi soo— skilled migrants and then within inoi sot wonk— skilled migrants and then within that cap work out—

skilled migrants and then within that cap work out what sort of skiiis— that cap work out what sort of skiiis wow— that cap work out what sort of skills you want— that cap work out what sort of skills you want to _ that cap work out what sort of skills you want to bring in. inene— skills you want to bring in. there should— skills you want to bring in. there should be a cap on the nwnneni— there should be a cap on the nwnneni oi— there should be a cap on the number of family— there should be a cap on the number of family reunions. inoi-s— number of family reunions. that's typically— number of family reunions. that's typically people marrying ionis— that's typically people marrying oniis ,— that's typically people marrying oniis , ini— that's typically people marrying brits , but also— that's typically people marrying brits , but also other family brits, but also other family reunions. and— brits, but also other family reunions. and there should be a onowision— reunions. and there should be a onowision ion— reunions. and there should be a provision for taking some neiwgees— provision for taking some refugees and— provision for taking some refugees and that should be copped— refugees and that should be ooppei os— refugees and that should be capped as well. _ refugees and that should be capped as well. but look, nonesiiw,— capped as well. but look, nonesiiw, ii— capped as well. but look, honestly, if you don't have a cap— honestly, if you don't have a sot on— honestly, if you don't have a sop on ine— honestly, if you don't have a cap on the immigration policy , cap on the immigration policy, inen— cap on the immigration policy, inen inis— cap on the immigration policy, inen we is— cap on the immigration policy, then this is just— cap on the immigration policy, then this is just going to go on inoeiiniieiw. — then this is just going to go on indefinitely. i— then this is just going to go on indefinitely. i mean , 700,000, indefinitely. i mean, 700,000, a niiiion— indefinitely. i mean, 700,000, a niiiion wnen— indefinitely. i mean, 700,000, a million when they— indefinitely. i mean, 700,000, a million when they were going to keen— million when they were going to keen ine— million when they were going to keen ine iigwne— million when they were going to keep the figure below 100,000, set keep the figure below 100,000, sei ine — keep the figure below 100,000, sei ine iigwne— keep the figure below 100,000, set the figure at— keep the figure below 100,000, set the figure at 100,000 or 99,000, — set the figure at 100,000 or 99,000, sei— set the figure at 100,000 or 99,000, set it— set the figure at 100,000 or 99,000, set it at— set the figure at 100,000 or 99,000, set it at that and keep it 99,000, set it at that and keep ii oi— 99,000, set it at that and keep ii oi inoi. — 99,000, set it at that and keep it at that. that's— 99,000, set it at that and keep it at that. that's what they snowio — it at that. that's what they snowio oo — it at that. that's what they snowio oo . — it at that. that's what they should do . \i:::iini it at that. that's what they should do . \i:::nni it at that. that's what they should do. \tint should do. now, the australian style points system , you know, style points system, you know, when we heard that and it was a phrase that i used in the run up to the referendum and then the conservative party adopted it, you says, right, you know, australia says, right, you've skill , we need a you've got this skill, we need a certain number of people with that skill. but you go to australia for, you know, you're paying australia for, you know, you're paying health insurance paying your own health insurance , for the four , aren't you? for the first four years. got show you've

years. you've got to show you've got the physical means to support yourself why support yourself to come in. why and you've worked with these ministers, why does nobody here dare propose anything like that ? so i think the issue when i've oskeo— ? so i think the issue when i've asked ministers— 7’ so i think the issue when i've asked ministers about this and it's asked ministers about this and is wow— asked ministers about this and it's worth asking _ asked ministers about this and it's worth asking them , the it's worth asking them, the issue— it's worth asking them, the issue seems— it's worth asking them, the issue seems to— it's worth asking them, the issue seems to be the demand inon— issue seems to be the demand inon ine— issue seems to be the demand from the economic— issue seems to be the demand from the economic departments, noniewioniw— from the economic departments, noniewioniw ine— from the economic departments, particularly the treasury , but particularly the treasury, but oiso— particularly the treasury, but oiso oowes— particularly the treasury, but oiso nowes on— particularly the treasury, but also bayes or whatever bayes is ooiieo— also bayes or whatever bayes is now called the— also bayes or whatever bayes is now called the business oenonneni. — now called the business department. that that migration be department. that that migration to nokiniseo— department. that that migration be maximised in— department. that that migration be maximised in order to nnoinnie— be maximised in order to maximise economic growth because inew— maximise economic growth because inew see— maximise economic growth because inew nig— maximise economic growth because they see big migration numbers. inose— they see big migration numbers. those departments see big nignoiion— those departments see big migration numbers as a positive for migration numbers as a positive ion economie— migration numbers as a positive for economic growth. they show up for economic growth. they show on nosiiiweiw— for economic growth. they show on nosiiiweiw in— for economic growth. they show up positively in the figures , up positively in the figures, ini— up positively in the figures, iwi oi— up positively in the figures, but of course— up positively in the figures, but of course they may not show up but of course they may not show on wenw— but of course they may not show on wenw nosiiiweiw— but of course they may not show up very positively in the per ooniio— up very positively in the per eoniio eon— up very positively in the per capita gdp figures , just in the capita gdp figures, just in the oisoiwie— capita gdp figures, just in the absolute gdp— capita gdp figures, just in the absolute gdp figures and the see— absolute gdp figures and the senei io— absolute gdp figures and the secret to improving economic gnowin— secret to improving economic gnowin is— secret to improving economic growth is enhancing productivity . if growth is enhancing productivity . ii wone— growth is enhancing productivity . ii woe insi— growth is enhancing productivity . if you're just going to bring in sneen— . if you're just going to bring in sheep labour—

. if you're just going to bring in sheep labour from all over ine— in sheep labour from all over ine wont,— in sheep labour from all over the world, then— in sheep labour from all over the world, then people are going to enniow— the world, then people are going to enniow oneon— the world, then people are going to employ cheap labour rather inon— to employ cheap labour rather inon enniow— to employ cheap labour rather than employ methods of improving nnooweiiwiiw— than employ methods of improving nnooweiiwiiw .— than employ methods of improving productivity . but— than employ methods of improving productivity . but but i mean productivity. but but i mean wnene— productivity. but but i mean wnene i— productivity. but but i mean where i differ— productivity. but but i mean where i differ from the general oeioie— where i differ from the general oeioie in— where i differ from the general debate in the— where i differ from the general debate in the uk— where i differ from the general debate in the uk is that i think nessi— debate in the uk is that i think nessi wow— debate in the uk is that i think unless you have— debate in the uk is that i think unless you have a— debate in the uk is that i think unless you have a debate about capping— unless you have a debate about capping ine— unless you have a debate about capping the different categories of immigration— capping the different categories of immigration action, then you are of immigration action, then you insi— of immigration action, then you inst going— of immigration action, then you inst going io— of immigration action, then you are just going to be to use a nnnose— are just going to be to use a nnnose oi— are just going to be to use a nnnose oi seo— are just going to be to use a phrase at sea on— are just going to be to use a phrase at sea on this issue and ine— phrase at sea on this issue and the government— phrase at sea on this issue and the government will never get a grip— the government will never get a gnin on— the government will never get a gnin on ii— the government will never get a gnin on ii . — the government will never get a gnin on in wow— the government will never get a grip on it. now you- the government will never get a grip on it . \tint grip on it. now you make that point very, very firmly and very, very well . but do you very, very well. but do you think there is actually genuine , serious intent with this government to reduce numbers or do they see no political challenge because labour is not going to threaten them on this issue? is this just something where they give the odd speech? priti patel did suella priti patel did it. suella braverman it. they'll braverman is doing it. they'll make some promises at the next election won't really election that they won't really mean. do they just think they can with this with mean. do they just think they carpolitical with this with mean. do they just think they carpolitical cost with this with mean. do they just think they carpolitical cost ? so. this with mean. do they just think they carpolitical cost ? so. sos with no political cost? so. so i

think no political cost? so. so i inink ong— no political cost? so. so i think priti patel- no political cost? so. so i think priti patel and - e {3 f“ so. so i think priti patel and suella sweiio— think priti patel and suella suella braverman are completely in— suella braverman are completely sincere in what— suella braverman are completely sincere in what they say. i ion-i— sincere in what they say. i ion-i nove— sincere in what they say. i don't have any— sincere in what they say. i don't have any doubt about that, but don't have any doubt about that, it i— don't have any doubt about that, it i inink— don't have any doubt about that, but i think the— don't have any doubt about that, but i think the thing to take no— but i think the thing to take into account— but i think the thing to take into account is— but i think the thing to take into account is the resistor nose— into account is the resistor iose inoi— into account is the resistor base that they— into account is the resistor base that they as home secretaries— base that they as home secretaries have had . i don't secretaries have had. i don't mean from the— secretaries have had. i don't mean from the home office , but mean from the home office, but inon— mean from the home office, but inon ine— mean from the home office, but from the economic— mean from the home office, but from the economic departments . i from the economic departments. i inink— from the economic departments. i inink inene— from the economic departments. i think there has— from the economic departments. i think there has been substantial esisonei— think there has been substantial resistance from _ think there has been substantial resistance from them and so wiinin— resistance from them and so with ine— resistance from them and so within the government, certainly wiinin— within the government, certainly wiinin ine— within the government, certainly within the civil— within the government, certainly within the civil service, there is o— within the civil service, there is o toi— within the civil service, there is o ioi oi— within the civil service, there is a lot of division over this so— is a lot of division over this issue. so ultimately these oiwisions— issue. so ultimately these divisions have— issue. so ultimately these divisions have to be resolved by the divisions have to be resolved by ine wine— divisions have to be resolved by the prime minister— divisions have to be resolved by the prime minister and the sinnie— the prime minister and the sinnie ining— the prime minister and the simple thing for the prime iiinisien— simple thing for the prime minister to— simple thing for the prime minister to do— simple thing for the prime minister to do here is to noinioin— minister to do here is to maintain his— minister to do here is to maintain his current policy with ononge. — maintain his current policy with one change. and— maintain his current policy with one change. and that is to impose— one change. and that is to impose eons— one change. and that is to impose caps on- one change. and that is to impose caps on the number of oiiieneni— impose caps on the number of different category— impose caps on the number of different category of migrants inoi— different category of migrants no no — different category of migrants that he agrees— different category of migrants that he agrees to being brought into— that he agrees to being brought inio ine— that he agrees to being brought inio ine wk— that he agrees to being brought inio ine iik .— that he agrees to being brought into the uk. but,— that he agrees to being brought into the uk. but, you that he agrees to being brought into the uk . but, you know that he agrees to being brought into the uk. but, you know , if into the uk. but, you know, if inew— into the uk. but, you know, if inew ion-i— into the uk. but, you know, if inew oon-i oo— into the uk. but, you know, if they don't do that, i don't know wno— they don't do that, i don't know wno wow— they don't do that, i don't know wno wow woie— they don't do that, i don't know who you vote for— they don't do that, i don't know who you vote for otherwise ieoowse—

who you vote for otherwise because the _ who you vote for otherwise because the liberal democrats oni— because the liberal democrats on ine— because the liberal democrats and the labour— because the liberal democrats and the labour party believe in inee— and the labour party believe in free migration— and the labour party believe in free migration ,— and the labour party believe in free migration , so— and the labour party believe in free migration , so they don't free migration, so they don't ieiiewe— free migration, so they don't ieiiewe in— free migration, so they don't believe in limiting migration at all. believe in limiting migration at oii. so— believe in limiting migration at oii. so we— believe in limiting migration at all. so you're going to end up witn— all. so you're going to end up wiin siiii— all. so you're going to end up with still more— all. so you're going to end up with still more pressure on eowooiion— with still more pressure on education, on— with still more pressure on education, on the health, woiionoi— education, on the health, national health service. and so the national health service. and so ine iisi— national health service. and so ine iisi goes— national health service. and so the list goes on— national health service. and so the list goes on and above all, nowsing— the list goes on and above all, nowsing nices— the list goes on and above all, housing prices and rental wises— housing prices and rental nniees. keon— housing prices and rental prices. yeah if— housing prices and rental prices. yeah if you don't do soneining— prices. yeah if you don't do something about putting a cap on innignoiion— something about putting a cap on innignoiion ,— something about putting a cap on innignoiion , i— something about putting a cap on immigration , i agree entirely. immigration, i agree entirely. kiexonoen— immigration, i agree entirely. alexander downer, _ immigration, i agree entirely. alexander downer, thank- immigration, i agree entirely. alexander downer, thank you for joining us again this evening on gb news. and to think while we have this debate, there are over 5 million people, all of working age who simply aren't working. maybe the benefit system has to be addressed as well. this time last week i did a piece on the war against landlords that michael gove seems to be leading . since i did that piece, i've had innumerable emails and met people in the street saying , people in the street saying, we're landlords. we're thinking of selling up as rental prices

go up, as the number of properties available for rent go down and as immigration, the population reaches new all time highs . in a population reaches new all time highs. in a minute, we'll examine the impact it's having on students all around the country

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onoinen— on friday. it's been extended by onoinen week— on friday. it's been extended by another week .— on friday. it's been extended by another week . now, i'm not going another week. now, i'm not going to give— another week. now, i'm not going to give wow— another week. now, i'm not going to give wow onw— another week. now, i'm not going to give you any conspiracy ineonies— to give you any conspiracy theories as— to give you any conspiracy theories as to _ to give you any conspiracy theories as to why this may be, ini— theories as to why this may be, it we— theories as to why this may be, it we oo— theories as to why this may be, but we do know— theories as to why this may be, but we do know that a lot of neonie— but we do know that a lot of neonie ewe— but we do know that a lot of people were voting for me, in ion,— people were voting for me, in ga, nonw— people were voting for me, in fact, many thousands by simply oownioooing— fact, many thousands by simply downloading the— fact, many thousands by simply downloading the qr code. that's on not— downloading the qr code. that's on that screen— downloading the qr code. that's on that screen right now . so on that screen right now. so its— on that screen right now. so its been— on that screen right now. so it's been extended to this inioow— it's been extended to this inioow oi— it's been extended to this friday at 5:00.- it's been extended to this friday at 5:00. and we're going to keen— friday at 5:00. and we're going to keen pushing-— friday at 5:00. and we're going to keep pushing. so if you want to keep pushing. so if you want to conse— to keep pushing. so if you want to cause an upset,— to keep pushing. so if you want to cause an upset, if you want ine— to cause an upset, if you want ine iv— to cause an upset, if you want the tv liberal— to cause an upset, if you want the tv liberal luvvies to have a nwineo— the tv liberal luvvies to have a ruined evening— the tv liberal luvvies to have a ruined evening out— the tv liberal luvvies to have a ruined evening out at their onnwoi— ruined evening out at their annual awards— ruined evening out at their annual awards dinner, please woie— annual awards dinner, please woie ion— annual awards dinner, please woie ion ne— annual awards dinner, please woie ion ne os— annual awards dinner, please vote for me as news presenter of the vote for me as news presenter of tie keon. — vote for me as news presenter of tie keon. wow— vote for me as news presenter of the year. now letting i talked oiowi— the year. now letting i talked oiowi ii— the year. now letting i talked about it last— the year. now letting i talked about it last week. i've had a lot about it last week. i've had a ioi oi— about it last week. i've had a lot of response— about it last week. i've had a lot of response .— about it last week. i've had a lot of response . some of the lot of response. some of the iigwnes— lot of response. some of the iigwnes oe— lot of response. some of the figures are amazing, particularly for students, siwoenis— particularly for students, students going away to wniwensiiw— students going away to university and many, many people are university and many, many people wonnieo— university and many, many people are worried that— university and many, many people are worried that this week iinoiiw— are worried that this week finally michael gove's renters eio— finally michael gove's renters eio iii— finally michael gove's renters reform bill is— finally michael gove's renters reform bill is going to come ieione— reform bill is going to come before parliament. all sorts of ononges— before parliament. all sorts of ononges io— before parliament. all sorts of changes to tenancy laws, big ononges— changes to tenancy laws, big ononges os— changes to tenancy laws, big enonges os io— changes to tenancy laws, big changes as to tax and the way ionoionos— changes as to tax and the way landlords are— changes as to tax and the way landlords are dealt with. and inis— landlords are dealt with. and we is— landlords are dealt with. and we is i— landlords are dealt with. and

this is if this— landlords are dealt with. and this is if this sort of anti nion— this is if this sort of anti rich, because— this is if this sort of anti rich, because you must be rich if rich, because you must be rich ii wone— rich, because you must be rich ii woe o— rich, because you must be rich if you're a landlord, the anti nion— if you're a landlord, the anti nien ogenoo— if you're a landlord, the anti rich agenda that— if you're a landlord, the anti rich agenda that many left wing siwoenis— rich agenda that many left wing students would— rich agenda that many left wing students would favour is now ieooing— students would favour is now ieooing io— students would favour is now leading to many— students would favour is now leading to many of them not being— leading to many of them not being one— leading to many of them not being oiie io— leading to many of them not being able to find any accommodation at all. and if inew— accommodation at all. and if inew oe— accommodation at all. and if inew ine— accommodation at all. and if they are, the prices are through they are, the prices are through ine noon— they are, the prices are through ine nooi io— they are, the prices are through the roof, to according the woiionoi— the roof, to according the national union of students, siwoeni— national union of students, student rents— national union of students, student rents are up 61% over ine— student rents are up 61% over ine iosi— student rents are up 61% over ine iosi ien— student rents are up 61% over the last ten years. but in onisioi— the last ten years. but in bristol they're- the last ten years. but in bristol they're up almost that onnowni— bristol they're up almost that onnowni in— bristol they're up almost that amount in just— bristol they're up almost that amount in just the last five weons— amount in just the last five weos weii— amount in just the last five years. well joining me is paul cnonnioin— years. well joining me is paul champlain and— years. well joining me is paul champlain and of course , the champlain and of course, the toss— champlain and of course, the toss oi— champlain and of course, the boss of landlord— champlain and of course, the boss of landlord action and a cnonnei— boss of landlord action and a channel five _ boss of landlord action and a channel five series nightmare ienonis— channel five series nightmare ienonis oni— channel five series nightmare tenants and slum landlords. i've got tenants and slum landlords. i've goi o— tenants and slum landlords. i've got o nigni— tenants and slum landlords. i've got o nigni oii— tenants and slum landlords. i've got a night off. good paul . i'm got a night off. good paul. i'm noniewioniw— got a night off. good paul. i'm particularly focusing here on students— particularly focusing here on students .— particularly focusing here on students . yes,— particularly focusing here on students . yes, of course. these students. yes, of course. these wniwensiiw— students. yes, of course. these university towns. _ students. yes, of course. these university towns. and of course, wow— university towns. and of course, wow know,— university towns. and of course, wow know, we-ne— university towns. and of course, you know, we're sending many, nonw—iol many more young people to wniwensiiw— many more young people to wniwensiiw .— many more young people to university . our— many more young people to university . our population is university. our population is ekniooing— university. our population is exploding .— university. our population is exploding . we're expecting big exploding. we're expecting big net exploding. we're expecting big nei nignoiion— exploding. we're expecting big net migration figures next week. we-ne— net migration figures next week. we-ne noi— net migration figures next week. we-ne noi even— net migration figures next week. we're not even building enough noses— we're not even building enough noes io— we're not even building enough noes to cope— we're not even building enough houses to cope with immigration, let houses to cope with immigration, iei oione— houses to cope with immigration, let alone anything— houses to cope with immigration, let alone anything else . but the let alone anything else. but the noini— let alone anything else. but the noini inoi— let alone anything else. but the noini no i— let alone anything else. but the point that i was— let alone anything else. but the point that i was trying to make

iosi— point that i was trying to make iosi week— point that i was trying to make last week was— point that i was trying to make last week was tax— point that i was trying to make last week was tax changes, negwioionw— last week was tax changes, regulatory changes, landlords are regulatory changes, landlords oeiwsi— regulatory changes, landlords oeiwsiioeking— regulatory changes, landlords are just jacking it in, aren't inew— are just jacking it in, aren't inewi — are just jacking it in, aren't they ? yeah. i— are just jacking it in, aren't they ? “c3 33 i mean, are just jacking it in, aren't they ? / i mean, i've been they? yeah. i mean, i've been wonking— they? yeah. i mean, i've been wonking wiin— they? “c3 33 i mean, i've been working with landlords for 30 weons— working with landlords for 30 weos sionieo— working with landlords for 30 years, started landlord action 23 years, started landlord action zo-ogo.— years, started landlord action zo-ogo. twe— years, started landlord action 23-ago. i've never- years, started landlord action 23 ago. i've never known a 23 years ago. i've never known a nenioi— 23 years ago. i've never known a nenioi siook— 23 years ago. i've never known a rental stock prices— 23 years ago. i've never known a rental stock prices than ever ieione— rental stock prices than ever ieione .— rental stock prices than ever ieione . tow— rental stock prices than ever before . you know, the average before. you know, the average neni— before. you know, the average neni in— before. you know, the average rent in london— before. you know, the average rent in london is— before. you know, the average rent in london is over £2,000 a nonin. — rent in london is over £2,000 a nonin. vow— rent in london is over £2,000 a month. you look— rent in london is over £2,000 a month. you look at- rent in london is over £2,000 a month. /tit. : month. you look at the students, there's 2.1 million students out there, 46% of students rent from there, 46% of students rent from the private rental sector. i speak to landlords on a i speak to landlords on a on a ioiiw— speak to landlords on a on a now iosis— speak to landlords on a on a now iosis .— speak to landlords on a on a daily basis . and— speak to landlords on a on a daily basis . and we've we've daily basis. and we've we've ioken— daily basis. and we've we've ioken sone— daily basis. and we've we've taken some figures that a years ooio— taken some figures that a years ooio is— taken some figures that a years ooio is not— taken some figures that a years data is that 91%_ taken some figures that a years data is that 91% of— taken some figures that a years data is that 91% of landlords are data is that 91% of landlords using— data is that 91% of landlords wsing ine— data is that 91% of landlords are using the section 21, which is oiwiowsiw— are using the section 21, which is obviously part— are using the section 21, which is obviously part of the renters eio— is obviously part of the renters eio iii,— is obviously part of the renters reform bill, which— is obviously part of the renters reform bill, which is going to be abolished.— reform bill, which is going to be abolished. they call it the non-eviction— be abolished. they call it the non-eviction ,- be abolished. they call it the non-eviction , non- be abolished. they call it the non eviction , non fault non fault eviction, non fault ewioiion— non fault eviction, non fault eviction foreclosure. most eviction and foreclosure. most of-landlords_ eviction and foreclosure. most of-landlords-hadl of these landlords have had enowgn.— of these landlords have had enowgn. inew— of these landlords have had enough. they just want to get out.— enough. they just want to get out-o— enough. they just want to get out-omi- enough. they just want to get out. -a .of them - enough. they just want to get out. a of them are out. maybe a lot of them are neiining— out. maybe a lot of them are retiring. they're— out. maybe a lot of them are retiring. they're selling up. so the retiring. they're selling up. so ine innee— retiring. they're selling up. so the three most— retiring. they're selling up. so the three most common reasons are the three most common reasons seiiing— the three most common reasons setting on— the three most common reasons are selling up under a section 21 are selling up under a section zi ooiwoiiw— are selling up under a section 21 actually anti—social behaviour,— 21 actually anti—social behaviour, which is a big issue as behaviour, which is a big issue os weii— behaviour, which is a big issue os weii .— behaviour, which is a big issue os weii . kno— behaviour, which is a big issue as well . and also—

behaviour, which is a big issue as well . and also the big as well. and also the big nnoiien — as well. and also the big problem has— as well. and also the big problem has been has been of course, when liz— problem has been has been of course, when liz truss came in ine— course, when liz truss came in ine noies— course, when liz truss came in ine noies weni— course, when liz truss came in the rates went up.— course, when liz truss came in the rates went up. mortgage noies— the rates went up. mortgage noies snoi— the rates went up. mortgage rates shot right— the rates went up. mortgage rates shot right up. historically, a lot of landlords nowen-i— historically, a lot of landlords nowen-i teen— historically, a lot of landlords haven't been putting rents up , haven't been putting rents up, but haven't been putting rents up, it its— haven't been putting rents up, it its neoiiw— haven't been putting rents up, but it's really, really, really iowgn— but it's really, really, really iowgn — but it's really, really, really tough on. yeah- but it's really, really, really tough on. yeah i- but it's really, really, really tough on. / but it's really, really, really- tough on. yeah i mean mortgage costs obviously have part costs obviously have been a part of people borrowing money of this people borrowing money to buy properties to let to try and build their sort of little mini empires as it were. and now, of course, you can't write the mortgage cost off against the mortgage cost off against the rental income 24 it's called. so it's a bit like being charged corporation tax on the gross income of a company and not the net profits. i mean, you know, i can see all of this. yes, of course. why i mean. well, is this is this is this michael gove joining in with the sort of left wing attack on the rich attack on second houses? is thatis rich attack on second houses? is that is that what's behind all of this? well, nigel, what ooesn-i— of this? well, nigel, what ooesn-i neio— of this? well, nigel, what doesn't help is— 57 well, nigel, what doesn't help is that you've 97 well, nigel, what doesn't help is that you've had 15 doesn't help is that you've had is nowsing— doesn't help is that you've had 15 housing ministers in eight weons— 15 housing ministers in eight weons on— 15 housing ministers in eight years or seven— 15 housing ministers in eight years or seven years. that's part— years or seven years. that's noni oi— years or seven years. that's part of the problem. it's not joined up. you, of course, had george osborne that brought in section and section

section 24 and section 24. for the viewers was basically, if you've got a mortgage interest, only mortgage , you can't offset only mortgage, you can't offset it as a disbursement . so it as a disbursement. so actually you get taxed on turnover , not profit. and a lot turnover, not profit. and a lot of landlords with that of these landlords with that with obviously the mortgage rate interest motty managing a property, the rhetoric with regard to being a landlord that you're greedy so and so and then of course further down the line after all these law changes, you've got epc electrical performance certificates where you've got to get them up to a grade c, 60% of the market doesn't have c we head for doesn't have a c as we head for net and with older net zero. and with older property— net zero. and with older nnonenw is— and with older property is correct, that's innossiiie— property is correct, that's impossible. wise, it's impossible. price wise, it's innossiiie. — impossible. price wise, it's impossible. so- impossible. price wise, it's impossible. price wise, it's impossible. price wise, it's impossible. so let's say you've got a property, a bed got a property, a two bed terraced durham , right? and terraced in durham, right? and it's bringing you in 6500 pound a year and you might have a universal credit tenant. and actually vulnerable actually the more vulnerable tenants all this tenants and all of this are going that are going to be the ones that are going to be the ones that are going lose out, believe you going to lose out, believe you me, especially with local housing allowance that's been frozen got frozen until 2024. if you've got to spend on average 10 to £15,000 on upgrade. nigel you're going to say, you know what, i'm

going to say, you know what, i'm going to say, you know what, i'm going to sell, just sell it. i'm going to sell, just sell it. i'm going to sell it. and then that's one less property out the private rental sector and, and really be really tenants are going to be struggling. in conclusion, let's insi— struggling. in conclusion, let's inst-neonie- struggling. in conclusion, let's just-people that- struggling. in conclusion, let's just-people that owni just be clear. people that own inese— just be clear. people that own these—whether- just be clear. people that own these whether they these properties, whether they own them outright or on nonigoges— own them outright or on mortgages, beginning to get mortgages, are beginning to get out mortgages, are beginning to get owi oi— mortgages, are beginning to get owi oi ine— mortgages, are beginning to get out of the sector,— mortgages, are beginning to get out of the sector, but they're noi— out of the sector, but they're noi ine — out of the sector, but they're noi ine neoi— out of the sector, but they're not the real losers, are they? ine— not the real losers, are they? the nooi— not the real losers, are they? the real losers— not the real losers, are they? the real losers are— not the real losers, are they? the real losers are tenants. you know, i spoke to one letting agent other day, nigel. they agent the other day, nigel. they had like 70 applicants had something like 70 applicants looking for one property and of course it ends up being a bidding war on average. now a tenantis bidding war on average. now a tenant is paying 39% of their income towards rent. wow it's a lot of money. and £2,000. the oenoeg— lot of money. and £2,000. the oenoeg neni— lot of money. and £2,000. the average rent in— lot of money. and £2,000. the average rent in london- “vii"iiilgt and £2,000. the average rent in london and f�*iii’hiigt and £2,000. the average rent in london and it's now over £1,000— average rent in london and it's now over £1,000 across the oownirw. — now over £1,000 across the oownirw. lis— now over £1,000 across the country. is indeed . '3: country. it is indeed. and students— country. it is indeed. and students are— country. it is indeed. and students are paying 12 to £1300 a month in london and their students crackers. paul cnonnioin— students crackers. paul champlain, thank- 339 paul champlain, thank you for students crackers. paul- champlain, thank you for coming in. iieoswne— champlain, thank you for coming in. pleasure. lending your eoneniise— in. pleasure. lending your expertise-issue in. pleasure. lending your- expertise.-issue i'm expertise. this is an issue i'm going— expertise. this is an issue i'm going io— expertise. this is an issue i'm going to sonne— expertise. this is an issue i'm going to come back to again and ogoin— going to come back to again and ogoin ono— going to come back to again and ogoin ono ogoin— going to come back to again and again and again because it is gowennneni— again and again because it is government government government and government iegisioiion— government and governmenti legislation—and legislation that is aiding and oieiiing— legislation that is aiding and abetting this— legislation that is aiding and abetting this crisis and it genwineiw— abetting this crisis and it

genwineiw is— abetting this crisis and it genuinely is a- abetting this crisis and it genuinely is a crisis. now what the genuinely is a crisis. now what ine ionoge— genuinely is a crisis. now what the farage moment care for coiois— the farage moment care for coiois i— the farage moment care for calais ? you _ the farage moment care for calais ? you know, the calais? you know, the organisation,- calais? you know, the organisation, those lovely, wonieniwi— organisation, those lovely, wonderful, kind and nice people wno— wonderful, kind and nice people wno oe— wonderful, kind and nice people who are on the— wonderful, kind and nice people who are on the side of morality ono— who are on the side of morality ono oeoenow— who are on the side of morality ono oeoenow .— who are on the side of morality and decency . well, claire and decency. well, claire iioseiew— and decency. well, claire moseley, who _ and decency. well, claire moseley, who of course is one of the moseley, who of course is one of tie iownoens— moseley, who of course is one of the founders of— moseley, who of course is one of the founders of care— moseley, who of course is one of the founders of care for calais, nos— the founders of care for calais, nos teen— the founders of care for calais, nos ieen ine— the founders of care for calais, has been the boss— the founders of care for calais, has been the boss for the last seven years. well— has been the boss for the last seven years. well her track nono— seven years. well her track not is— seven years. well her track record is pretty— seven years. well her track record is pretty chequered. the nonnieo— record is pretty chequered. the nonnieo tins.— record is pretty chequered. the married mrs. moseley in 2017 sionieo— married mrs. moseley in 2017 sionieo wn— married mrs. moseley in 2017 sionieo on o— married mrs. moseley in 2017 started up a romance with a tension— started up a romance with a tunisian refugee, which seemed to tunisian refugee, which seemed io go— tunisian refugee, which seemed to go noinen— tunisian refugee, which seemed to go rather against her ononiiies— to go rather against her charities .— to go rather against her charities . no- to go rather against her charities . no sex policy with charities. no sex policy with nignonis. — charities. no sex policy with migrants. she's— charities. no sex policy with migrants. she's never, ever oenieo— migrants. she's never, ever oenieo ine— migrants. she's never, ever denied the affair. but now she's been— denied the affair. but now she's been ionoeo— denied the affair. but now she's been forced to— denied the affair. but now she's been forced to step down because she been forced to step down because sne nonogeo— been forced to step down because sne nonogeo io— been forced to step down because she managed to pepper spray a nignoni— she managed to pepper spray a nignoni in— she managed to pepper spray a nignoni in o— she managed to pepper spray a migrant in a camp— she managed to pepper spray a migrant in a camp in dunkirk. kno— migrant in a camp in dunkirk. kno sne— migrant in a camp in dunkirk. kno sne nos— migrant in a camp in dunkirk. and she has been— migrant in a camp in dunkirk. and she has been prone to snowing— and she has been prone to shouting and— and she has been prone to shouting and screaming about onogging— shouting and screaming about dragging people out, other women out dragging people out, other women owi nw— dragging people out, other women owi iw inein— dragging people out, other women out by their hair.— dragging people out, other women out by their hair. if— dragging people out, other women out by their hair. if she falls owi— out by their hair. if she falls owi witn— out by their hair. if she falls out with them.— out by their hair. if she falls out with them. and it's funny, you— out with them. and it's funny, wow know, — out with them. and it's funny, woo know, ogoin— out with them. and it's funny, you know, again and again, those wno— you know, again and again, those wno nnooioin — you know, again and again, those who proclaim their— you know, again and again, those who proclaim their virtue in tuitio— who proclaim their virtue in noiiio oiien— who proclaim their virtue in public often behave very

differently— public often behave very differently .— public often behave very differently . and a final what differently. and a final what the differently. and a final what to ionoge. — differently. and a final what to ionoge. i— differently. and a final what the farage. i spoke to you the one— the farage. i spoke to you the oinen week— the farage. i spoke to you the other week about— the farage. i spoke to you the other week about the big iiionosoii— other week about the big microsoft takeover of the call of microsoft takeover of the call oi outw— microsoft takeover of the call of duty publisher activision oiizzono. — of duty publisher activision blizzard. now— of duty publisher activision blizzard. now they've got the coki— blizzard. now they've got the cot oi— blizzard. now they've got the cot oi outw— blizzard. now they've got the call of duty franchise on xbox. inese— call of duty franchise on xbox. inese gones— call of duty franchise on xbox. these games are— call of duty franchise on xbox. these games are massive, but in inis— these games are massive, but in we oownirw— these games are massive, but in we oownirw ine— these games are massive, but in this country the competition and iionkeis— this country the competition and markets authority— this country the competition and markets authority blocked the iokeowen— markets authority blocked the iokeowen .— markets authority blocked the takeover . never— markets authority blocked the takeover . never said it takeover. never said it snowion-i— takeover. never said it shouldn't happen. and yet, inoniooiiw— shouldn't happen. and yet, inoniooiiw ,— shouldn't happen. and yet, ironically , albie the european ironically, albie the european commission— ironically, albie the european commission today have said that it commission today have said that ii snowin— commission today have said that it should lead— commission today have said that it should lead many big american businesses— it should lead many big american iwsinesses ,— it should lead many big american businesses , is— it should lead many big american businesses , is to— it should lead many big american businesses , is to say actually , businesses, is to say actually, nowie— businesses, is to say actually, nowie ii-s— businesses, is to say actually, maybe it's better— businesses, is to say actually, maybe it's better to invest in ine— maybe it's better to invest in to innoneon— maybe it's better to invest in the european union than inwesiing— the european union than investing in— the european union than investing in the united kingdom, wnion— investing in the united kingdom, wnion is— investing in the united kingdom, which is exactly— investing in the united kingdom, which is exactly the opposite of wnoi— which is exactly the opposite of wnoi we— which is exactly the opposite of what we fought— which is exactly the opposite of what we fought for in on brexit. i what we fought for in on brexit. i oon-i— what we fought for in on brexit. i oon-i ioii— what we fought for in on brexit. i oon-i ieii wow— what we fought for in on brexit. i can't tell you how disappointing all of this is. wow,— disappointing all of this is. now in— disappointing all of this is. now in o— disappointing all of this is. now, in a moment, we're going to oisowss— now, in a moment, we're going to oisowss ine— now, in a moment, we're going to discuss the fact— now, in a moment, we're going to discuss the fact that— now, in a moment, we're going to discuss the fact that a poll out sows— discuss the fact that a poll out sows inoi— discuss the fact that a poll out sows no on— discuss the fact that a poll out sows no on io— discuss the fact that a poll out says that up to 10% of 16 to 18 weon— says that up to 10% of 16 to 18 weon oios— says that up to 10% of 16 to 18 year olds would _ says that up to 10% of 16 to 18 year olds would seriously oonsioen— year olds would seriously consider changing their gender. can consider changing their gender. oon inis— consider changing their gender. can this really—

consider changing their gender. can this really be— consider changing their gender. can this really be true

10% of 16 to 18 year olds would seniowsiw— 10% of 16 to 18 year olds would seriously consider— 10% of 16 to 18 year olds would seriously consider changing genien— seriously consider changing genoen. wnoi— seriously consider changing gender. what on earth are they being— gender. what on earth are they being ioogni— gender. what on earth are they being ioogni oi— gender. what on earth are they being taught at school? i'm ioineo— being taught at school? i'm joined .jo—anne- being taught at school? i'm- joined .jo—anne-writer joined by jo—anne nadler writer and broadcaster— joined by jo—anne nadler writer and broadcaster just and broadcaster who's just owinoneo— and broadcaster who's just owinoneo o— and broadcaster who's just authored a civitas report with noiiing— authored a civitas report with noiiing into— authored a civitas report with polling into this— authored a civitas report with polling into this subject. now so polling into this subject. now so io— polling into this subject. now so no inoi-s— polling into this subject. now so 10, that's can't be credible . i— so 10, that's can't be credible . i neon— so 10, that's can't be credible . i mean, we were- so 10, that's can't be credible . i mean, we were all- so 10, that's can't be credible . i mean, we were all we were all staggered by that response. but i think you're right in a way to be cautious as to how we interpret that that because the polling asked, do you know anybody or you yourself self who who would like to change gender or who have done so and 10% said, yes, they they would like to or had done so . so but the to or had done so. so but the overall figure was actually 64% of the kids we spoke to between

16 and 18 said that they either knew somebody or wanted to themselves, but the caution, i suspect, is in what exactly does that mean ? and i think what's that mean? and i think what's very significant about that figure is it shows us that these ideas as gender ideology is now so widespread. now we can't assume that it's only being discussed in school. of course, that's not the case. they will be hearing these things and discussing these things in wider society as are beginning society as we are all beginning to . but the society as we are all beginning to. but the thing is, it's society as we are all beginning to . but the thing is, it's a to. but the thing is, it's a really new set of ideas, gender, ideology. so the idea that it is this embedded in schools already , which it evidently is, because a lot of the agencies who are going into schools are very are very prone to pushing these ideas.i very prone to pushing these ideas. i think we really need to think very carefully about whether this is an appropriate sort of thing to be discussing with impressionable people . and with impressionable people. and i felt during lockdown that- i felt during lockdown that a lot i felt during lockdown that a ioi oi— i felt during lockdown that a lot of parents— i felt during lockdown that a lot of parents were quite

snookeo— lot of parents were quite shocked at— lot of parents were quite shocked at what their children ieing— shocked at what their children were being taught . yeah, were being taught. yeah, because, you— were being taught. yeah, because, you know, how was sonooi— because, you know, how was school today?— because, you know, how was school today? good. you know, neei— school today? good. you know, neei neei— school today? good. you know, meet meet the— school today? good. you know, meet meet the teacher once a weon— meet meet the teacher once a weon on— meet meet the teacher once a year or whatever— meet meet the teacher once a year or whatever it is. and none— year or whatever it is. and inene inew— year or whatever it is. and there they were - year or whatever it is. and there they were sitting in the kiionen— there they were sitting in the kiionenlo— there they were sitting in the kitchen a laptop. yeah and kitchen on a laptop. yeah and the kitchen on a laptop. yeah and ine-oowio— kitchen on a laptop. yeah and the-could see- kitchen on a laptop. yeah and the could see what the parents could see what inew-ne—owil the parents could see what- they're _ but that's the parents could see what- they'ri_but that's the parents could see what- they'r i first - but that's the parents could see what they'ri first became but that's the parents could see what they'ri first became aware hat's the parents could see what they'ri first became aware of:'s the parents could see what they'ri first became aware of the when i first became aware of the inings— when i first became aware of the inings-soni— when i first became aware of the inings-son oi— when i first became aware of the things sort of propelled me things that sort of propelled me to kook— things that sort of propelled me to took into— things that sort of propelled me to look into this— things that sort of propelled me to look into this more thoroughly. - to look into this more thoroughly. f to look into this more- thoroughly. because although i'm a background , i've a journalist by background, i've really come to this really very much come to this interest and this project. you know, first foremost, know, first and foremost, through mother in through being a mother in america, they've been having the same debate as us. but but you know,— same debate as us. but but you know, inew— same debate as us. but but you know, they started— same debate as us. but but you know, they started 2— same debate as us. but but you know, they started 2 or- : c9 but but you know, they started 2 or years know, they started 2 or 3 years eoniien— know, they started 2 or 3 years earlier-america— know, they started 2 or 3 years earlier-america .— know, they started 2 or 3 years earlier america . schools have earlier in america. schools have eieoieo— earlier in america. schools have elected parents— earlier in america. schools have elected parents boards. you know,— elected parents boards. you know, ine— elected parents boards. you know, the parents have big representation _ know, the parents have big representation on those boards. kno— representation on those boards. one in— representation on those boards. one in iekos— representation on those boards. and in texas and— representation on those boards. and in texas and elsewhere and oenioiniw— and in texas and elsewhere and oenioiniw in— and in texas and elsewhere and certainly in parts— and in texas and elsewhere and certainly in parts of florida , certainly in parts of florida, keon— certainly in parts of florida, keon w-wee— certainly in parts of florida, yeah, we've seen fundamental ononges— yeah, we've seen fundamental ononges in— yeah, we've seen fundamental changes in virginia particularly as changes in virginia particularly os weii. — changes in virginia particularly os weii. weii— changes in virginia particularly as well. well i— changes in virginia particularly as well. well i mean, in fact, oienn— as well. well i mean, in fact, glenn youngkin_ as well. well i mean, in fact, glenn youngkin won the governorship_ glenn youngkin won the governorship of virginia on this wen— governorship of virginia on this werw — governorship of virginia on this wenw so— governorship of virginia on this very issue. so in— governorship of virginia on this very issue. so in america, neonie— very issue. so in america, neonie nove— very issue. so in america, people have been empowered and in o— people have been empowered and in o nw— people have been empowered and in a sense, by the— people have been empowered and in a sense, by the system. and nonenis— in a sense, by the system. and nonenis oon— in a sense, by the system. and parents can stand— in a sense, by the system. and parents can stand up and fight. wnoi—

parents can stand up and fight. wnoi on— parents can stand up and fight. wnoi on eonin— parents can stand up and fight. what on earth can— parents can stand up and fight. what on earth can british nonenis— what on earth can british nonenis oo— what on earth can british parents do if— what on earth can british parents do if they're not happy witn— parents do if they're not happy wiin wnoi— parents do if they're not happy with what their— parents do if they're not happy with what their children are being— with what their children are being ioognii— with what their children are being taught? well, i think it's oisoiwieiw— being taught? well, i think it's absolutely fascinating. �*" absolutely fascinating. if you took— absolutely fascinating. if you took-oonoss— absolutely fascinating. if youj look-across-media, look now across social media, whether it be twitter platforms , whether it be telegram, there are all sorts of spontaneous groups that that are that are sort of setting up to help each other , sort of self—help groups other, sort of self—help groups , which is why i suggest in the report that it could well be time for some sort of parents union because the process of raising these issues with schools is quite complicated . schools is quite complicated. and there isn't really one straightforward way to do it. you can make complaints to the dfe on impartiality grounds . you dfe on impartiality grounds. you can talk to the school governors, but there are obviously different types of schools in the uk. if you're in the independent sector, you know you can approach your school directly. you can go to the various different agencies that that cover independent schools. but there isn't really one overarching body that can assist parents and tell them what their legal rights are and what is and

what isn't. and let's be clear. iei-s— what isn't. and let's be clear. iei-s ie— what isn't. and let's be clear. let's be clear.— what isn't. and let's be clear. let's be clear. we— c and let's be clear. let's be clear. we want young neonie— let's be clear. we want young neonie .— let's be clear. we want young neonie . tow— let's be clear. we want young people . you want— let's be clear. we want young people . you want young people to people. you want young people to be people. you want young people to ie iowgni. — people. you want young people to be taught. they're— people. you want young people to be taught. they're absolutely oiiieneni— be taught. they're absolutely different-but- be taught. they're absolutely different but but but is different people. but but but is the different people. but but but is ine-oiieoiion— different people. but but but is the objection that it's the real objection that it's being— the real objection that it's being presented as a lifestyle oiiennoiiwe— being presented as a lifestyle alternative from _ being presented as a lifestyle alternative from an early age? weii— alternative from an early age? weii i— alternative from an early age? weii i nn,eon— alternative from an early age? well i mean, my— alternative from an early age? well i mean, my report looks at iois— well i mean, my report looks at iois oi— well i mean, my report looks at lots of different— well i mean, my report looks at lots of different political ioeos— lots of different political ioeos ono— lots of different political ideas and how they're how inew-ne— ideas and how they're how they're presented and discussed in sonoois. — they're presented and discussed in schools. it— they're presented and discussed in schools. it looks— they're presented and discussed in schools. e :g in schools. it looks at ideology sort across the board. so sort of across the board. so it's just gender ideology it's not just gender ideology that concerned with. but that i'm concerned with. but yes, in the wider sense , it is yes, in the wider sense, it is it is the idea that these these these fairly highly partisan ideas are not being presented as partisan. they're being presented as factual, and they're not being people don't feel that they can voice an opinion against them . i mean, we opinion against them. i mean, we found of the young people we spoke to, 46% said that they wouldn't feel comfortable . wouldn't feel comfortable. people voicing contentious ideas in school because they felt they were going to be bullied by other students. well, yes, all guilty of hate speech or whatever else it may be, unless you go along the prevailing

you go along with the prevailing orthodoxy. it's a fascinating notion.— orthodoxy. it's a fascinating nenoni. i— orthodoxy. it's a fascinating nenoni. i os— orthodoxy. it's a fascinating nenon. i aslsavw- orthodoxy. it's a fascinating report. i asisay, i'm- : it's a fascinating report. i as say, i'm slightly report. i as i say, i'm slightly soeniiooi— report. i as i say, i'm slightly sceptical about— report. i as i say, i'm slightly sceptical about the numbers , but sceptical about the numbers, but soneining— sceptical about the numbers, but something extraordinary is to be soeniiooi— something extraordinary is to be sceptical about.— something extraordinary is to be sceptical about. _ something extraordinary is to be sceptical about. i— something extraordinary is to be sceptical about. 33 e sceptical about. i mean, it's quite right. you do need to interrogate the figures and you need to ask what do those figures actually mean? but undoubtedly those are the response that we had. no, i don't doubt it for a minute. jo—anne nadler come back see jo—anne nadler come back and see us ogoin— jo—anne nadler come back and see us again. absolutely.— jo—anne nadler come back and see us again. absolutely. you us again. absolutely. thank you wen— us again. absolutely. thank you werw noon.— us again. absolutely. thank you very much. gosh,— us again. absolutely. thank you very much. gosh, shocking nwnnensi— very much. gosh, shocking numbers—it's. very much. gosh, shocking. numbers—it's time numbers. all right. it's time for numbers. all right. it's time ion ionoge— numbers. all right. it's time for farage, the— numbers. all right. it's time for farage, the farage and oieoniw— for farage, the farage and clearly somebody from the gb wows— clearly somebody from the gb wews ieon — clearly somebody from the gb news team had— clearly somebody from the gb news team had a— clearly somebody from the gb news team had a camera down in oownnenowin— news team had a camera down in bournemouth when— news team had a camera down in bournemouth when we were there on window.— bournemouth when we were there on inwnsoow. so— bournemouth when we were there on thursday. so let's begin with a on thursday. so let's begin with o gwesiion— on thursday. so let's begin with a question from _ on thursday. so let's begin with a question from john. hi, nigel. my a question from john. hi, nigel. iiw nonn— a question from john. hi, nigel. iiw is— a question from john. hi, nigel. iiw is ionn— a question from john. hi, nigel. my name is john mclaughlin. i'd like to barrage the farage with this question. would if the voters and their members of the conservative party had the opfion conservative party had the option to vote for penny morton, do you think we'd still be in the same situation we are under? what was truss and now sunak ? i what was truss and now sunak? i honestly don't know what penny iionion— honestly don't know what penny iionion neoiiw— honestly don't know what penny morton really stands for noiiiiooiiw— morton really stands for politically. i— morton really stands for politically. i mean, she's jolly gooe— politically. i mean, she's jolly gooo oi— politically. i mean, she's jolly gooo oi oonnwing— politically. i mean, she's jolly good at carrying the sword of

sioie— good at carrying the sword of sioie ono— good at carrying the sword of state and did— good at carrying the sword of state and did a— good at carrying the sword of state and did a magnificent job in ine— state and did a magnificent job in to kiiew— state and did a magnificent job in the abbey last— state and did a magnificent job in the abbey last saturday, wnion— in the abbey last saturday, wnion nos— in the abbey last saturday, which has led— in the abbey last saturday, which has led to people putting ieis— which has led to people putting ieis on— which has led to people putting ieis on non— which has led to people putting bets on her with— which has led to people putting bets on her with the bookmakers . owi— bets on her with the bookmakers . but politically— bets on her with the bookmakers . but politically struck me . but politically it struck me sne— . but politically it struck me sne wos— . but politically it struck me she was somewhat all over the niooe— she was somewhat all over the niooe ,— she was somewhat all over the place , especially— she was somewhat all over the place , especially on questions place, especially on questions iike— place, especially on questions iike genoen— place, especially on questions like gender ideology, which i've just like gender ideology, which i've iwsi teen— like gender ideology, which i've just been discussing with io—knne— just been discussing with jo—anne nadler. look, the real ionoge— jo—anne nadler. look, the real oonoge none— jo—anne nadler. look, the real damage here that— jo—anne nadler. look, the real damage here that has been done by damage here that has been done iw ionis— damage here that has been done by boris johnson— damage here that has been done by boris johnson ,— damage here that has been done by boris johnson , it's boris by boris johnson, it's boris ionnson— by boris johnson, it's boris johnson that— by boris johnson, it's boris johnson that had an 80 seat noioniiw— johnson that had an 80 seat noioniiw iioiiw— johnson that had an 80 seat majority motty it's boris ionnson— majority motty it's boris johnson that— majority motty it's boris johnson that didn't get on with, you johnson that didn't get on with, wow know— johnson that didn't get on with, wow know ,— johnson that didn't get on with, you know , taking— johnson that didn't get on with, you know , taking the benefits you know, taking the benefits inon— you know, taking the benefits inon inonio— you know, taking the benefits from brexit, controlling our ionoens— from brexit, controlling our borders and— from brexit, controlling our borders and much else. i don't inink— borders and much else. i don't inink ii— borders and much else. i don't think it matters— borders and much else. i don't think it matters who's leader i— think it matters who's leader i inink— think it matters who's leader now. i think they're done when it now. i think they're done when ii ooes— now. i think they're done when ii io— now. i think they're done when it comes to the— now. i think they're done when it comes to the next election. i now— it comes to the next election. i neoiiw ,— it comes to the next election. i neoiiw , neoiiw— it comes to the next election. i really , really do. _ it comes to the next election. i really , really do. and finally , really, really do. and finally, son — really, really do. and finally, son inon — really, really do. and finally, sam from bournemouth has a ionnoge— sam from bournemouth has a ionnoge ion— sam from bournemouth has a barrage for me— sam from bournemouth has a barrage for me . _ sam from bournemouth has a barrage for me . : l barrage for me. i'd like to quote the speaker of the house of commons. who do you think you are of commons. who do you think you sneoking— of commons. who do you think you sneoking ioi— of commons. who do you think you are speaking to? if— of commons. who do you think you are speaking to? if i— who do you think you are speaking to? if i spoke like inoi— are speaking to? if i spoke like no io— are speaking to? if i spoke like no to onw— are speaking to? if i spoke like no to onw oi— are speaking to? if i spoke like that to any of my— are speaking to? if i spoke like that to any of my team or vice versa , regardless— that to any of my team or vice versa , regardless of who was versa, regardless of who was nigni— versa, regardless of who was nigni on— versa, regardless of who was nigni on wnong— versa, regardless of who was right or wrong complaints should

be ekneoieo— right or wrong complaints should be ekneoieo io— right or wrong complaints should be expected to follow . ' 3: 33 be expected to follow. and in the einenne— be expected to follow. and in the extreme, a court case. why does the speaker of the house of commons think it's okay for him to behave in such a way? speak as he did when it certainly not acceptable for the rest of us? yeah i mean, this speaker of the house of commons can be pretty sharp at times. that is absolutely— sharp at times. that is absolutely true- sharp at times. that is absolutely true .- e that is absolutely true . however, we sharp at times. that is— absolutely true . however, we may absolutely true. however, we may oniiioise— absolutely true. however, we may criticise individual— absolutely true. however, we may criticise individual actions oi— criticise individual actions runs of speaker hoyle, but i wonki— runs of speaker hoyle, but i wowio sow— runs of speaker hoyle, but i wooio sow ne— runs of speaker hoyle, but i would say he is— runs of speaker hoyle, but i would say he is miles better none— would say he is miles better nene inon— would say he is miles better here than the— would say he is miles better here than the very pretentious john— here than the very pretentious ionn oenoow— here than the very pretentious john bercow, who— here than the very pretentious john bercow, who preceded him. inoi-s— john bercow, who preceded him. inoi-s wnoi— john bercow, who preceded him. that's what i'd— john bercow, who preceded him. that's what i'd say— john bercow, who preceded him. that's what i'd say for certain . jacob— that's what i'd say for certain . jacob rees—mogg joins me. toooo— . jacob rees—mogg joins me. toooo i— . jacob rees—mogg joins me. ioooi i ion-i— . jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob i don't get— . jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob i don't get it. you're all inene— jacob i don't get it. you're all inene in— jacob i don't get it. you're all there in bournemouth at the weekend— there in bournemouth at the weekend ion— there in bournemouth at the weekend for a— there in bournemouth at the weekend for a sort of revivalist neeiing— weekend for a sort of revivalist neeiing ining— weekend for a sort of revivalist meeting thing. bring back boris and meeting thing. bring back boris on up— meeting thing. bring back boris ono up geis— meeting thing. bring back boris ono up geis ine— meeting thing. bring back boris and up gets the mog and says we nosi— and up gets the mog and says we nwsi siiok— and up gets the mog and says we must stick with— and up gets the mog and says we must stick with rishi sunak. and i must stick with rishi sunak. and i oowion-i— must stick with rishi sunak. and i couldn't work— must stick with rishi sunak. and i couldn't work out— must stick with rishi sunak. and i couldn't work out what the noini— i couldn't work out what the noini oi— i couldn't work out what the noini oi ii— i couldn't work out what the point of it all— i couldn't work out what the point of it all was because we onongeo— point of it all was because we changed leader— point of it all was because we changed leader twice last year. too— changed leader twice last year. you know.— changed leader twice last year. you know. i— changed leader twice last year. you know, i didn't— changed leader twice last year. you know, i didn't think- changed leader twice last year. you know, i didn't think we- you know, i didn't think we should change leader once, let alone know. but if alone twice. no, i know. but if we leader again we look

we change leader again we look completely reject at that. so what's the point of the conference _ what's the point of the conference is- what's the point of the conference is to argue about noiiow. — conference is to argue about noiiow. wioi— conference is to argue about policy. : conference is to argue about- policy. what should-be doing conference is to argue about- policy.y0u hat should-be doing conference is to argue about- policy.y0u hat sithe d.be doing conference is to argue about- policy.y0u hat sithe firstlbe doing conference is to argue about- policy.y0u hat sithe first person ng ? and you were the first person to advocate dealing with the small boats. that's now become routine policy . there's almost routine policy. there's almost nobody who disagrees with you across british politics, small nobody who disagrees with you acrossneed sh politics, small nobody who disagrees with you acrossneed to politics, small nobody who disagrees with you acrossneed to be itics, small nobody who disagrees with you acrossneed to be dealtsmall nobody who disagrees with you acrossneed to be dealt with. boats need to be dealt with. we're now moving on and suella braverman has been very forthright this legal forthright on this with legal migration, which is such a major problem. and the figures are about to be appalling and i'm sure, you know, not only do you know, you will have pointed out that at the level of migration we're getting, that more than we're getting, that is more than all houses that were not all the houses that were not actually. oh, i know. anyway, i've got. where are they going. i've got. where are they going. i've all your last i've got all your last five manifestos_ i've got all your last five manifestos and i've got all your last five. manifestos-and.the manifestos here and all the nnonises— manifestos here and all the promises and— manifestos here and all the promises and they've been promises and they've all been ineooneo— promises and they've all been breached-can't- promises and they've all been breached can't work out breached and i can't work out wnoi—ine- breached and i can't work outi wnoi—ine-ionw what it's all for the tory party ono— what it's all for the tory party on neio— what it's all for the tory party and help properly. :tit3 e and help us properly. i don't think— and help us properly. i don't think-is— and help us properly. i don't inink-islionw- and help us properly. i don't think is tory party, but think there is a tory party, but there i'm very much there is that. i'm very much a big subject tonight. big subject is immigration— big subject tonight. big subject is immigration and— big subject tonight. big subject is immigration and sue- g f 3:i3 q3 big subject is immigration and sue is sneeon— is immigration and sue is speech, which— is immigration and sue is speech, which i think is so innonioni— speech, which i think is so important and— speech, which i think is so important and i- speech, which i think is so important and i think this issue is going— important and i think this issue is going-dominate- important and i think this issue is going dominate the is going to dominate the noiionoi— is going to dominate the national—the. is going to dominate the. national—the next national debate for the next

oownie— national debate for the next couple-because. national debate for the next couple because we national debate for the next- couple-because we get couple of weeks because we get the couple of weeks because we get tie-ino— couple of weeks because we get tie-inoi-owi- couple of weeks because we get the-that-out next. the figures that come out next inwnsoow. — the figures that come out next thursday. .enough- the figures that come out next thursday. enough from me . thursday. but enough from me. iei-s— thursday. but enough from me. tens-took— thursday. but enough from me. iei-s-iook oi— thursday. but enough from me. let's-look at the- thursday. but enough from me. let's look at the all let's have a look at the all innonioni— let's have a look at the all innonioni-.- let's have a look at the all important . hello let's have a look at the all- important-. hello there. important weather. hello there. i'm important weather. hello there. in onog— important weather. hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to wow— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to wow ioiesi— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to wow ioiesi oo— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather. its— your latest gb news weather. its going— your latest gb news weather. its going to— your latest gb news weather. it's going to turn— your latest gb news weather. it's going to turn quite- your latest gb news weather. it's going to turn quite chilly for the of year tonight. for the time of year tonight. possible grass frost, but it does mean we'll mostly dry as does mean we'll be mostly dry as we tuesday. and the we head into tuesday. and the reason is this area of reason for this is this area of high pressure through the week. it generally if not it generally stays near if not over but at times it over the uk, but at times it just moves and allows weak just moves away and allows weak weather topple in, weather fronts to topple in, largely affecting scotland and northern ireland. and we could see a few showers. we've seen a few showers around today. they fade head into the fade away as we head into the evening. largely evening. as you can see, largely clear skies overnight and with light winds, we could see a touch of mist and fog, but we could also see the risk of frost in the country side. so gardeners beware . for tender gardeners beware. for tender plants, there could be some patchy frost to start tuesday morning, but plenty of sunshine, thicker cloud and showery rain does move into parts of northern scotland and this sinks its way

southwards through the day. cloud bubbles up. so generally sunny spells or bright spells for many. but in between it won't be too bad with light winds feeling quite warm. but the odd shower is still possible, particularly southern scotland, northeast england , the scotland, northeast england, the odd heavy one possible and temperatures generally mid to high teens. so around average for the time of year. a few showers still running down the eastern side of england as we head through the evening. but again, clearing due again, clearing skies due to that area high pressure. that area of high pressure. it'll turn quite chilly , taking it'll turn quite chilly, taking us into wednesday morning. thicker cloud approaching the far north of scotland , too, as far north of scotland, too, as the next weather system moves in here. temperatures, towns or cities generally holding up, perhaps of frost again perhaps a touch of frost again in the countryside for1 or in the countryside for 1 or 2 prone spots to start wednesday. and again , fairly dry, bright and again, fairly dry, bright day, best of the sunshine across southern parts, elsewhere , southern parts, elsewhere, variable amounts of cloud and then later on we'll see rain approaching the highlands and this slowly pushing south and eastwards scotland eastwards across scotland through the day, dry and

brighter. thursday and friday for many. and temperatures also start to rise, reaching the low 20s .

good evening. it's me, jacob - good evening. it's me, jacob kees—iiogg— . good evening. it's me, jacob kees—iiogg on— . good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state— . good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of- good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the woiion. — rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight— rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight it's been a wswoi— nation. tonight it's been a usual routine— nation. tonight it's been a usual routine day. today, an wnningeo— usual routine day. today, an unhinged protester interrupted my unhinged protester interrupted nw sneeon— unhinged protester interrupted nw sneeon ono— unhinged protester interrupted my speech and told me i was a iosoisi— my speech and told me i was a fascist while— my speech and told me i was a fascist while i— my speech and told me i was a fascist while i was— my speech and told me i was a fascist while i was trying to ine— fascist while i was trying to warn the government against swnnenoening— warn the government against surrendering to— warn the government against surrendering to the blob. bupa iino— surrendering to the blob. bupa oino .— surrendering to the blob. bupa oino . we-ne— surrendering to the blob. bupa bird . we're back— surrendering to the blob. bupa bird . we're back to work. surrendering to the blob. bupa bird . we're back to work . kittie: bird. we're back to work. well, then— bird. we're back to work. well, then we— bird. we're back to work. well, then we go— bird. we're back to work. well, iiono we go .— bird. we're back to work. well, there we go . our— bird. we're back to work. well, there we go . our jolly good there we go. our jolly good fellow has had to leave. but we believe in freedom of speech so he can have his national loonies conference next week. and he can

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