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they're actually supposed to be.7 and they're actually supposed to be? and landlords are their heroes or villains? were you once a landlord? would you ever become a landlord? in this day and age, we need more of them. or less. and what are we doing with kids today? if you ask me, we are setting them up to fail all the time. they're getting trigger warnings, safe spaces . you know, warnings, safe spaces. you know, this exam is too tough. and now people are saying about exams, should kids be tested at all? apparently, they're too tough. i mean, come on, we are really failing our kids , are we not? failing our kids, are we not? and suella braverman is warning that this rush for multi culturalism is basically a recipe for disaster. is it? we'll have it all to come. but before we do, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. michelle thank you. good evening to you. the— michelle thank you. good evening to you. the top— michelle thank you. good evening to you. the top story— michelle thank you. good evening to you. the top story on- f good evening to you. the top story on gb news today,— to you. the top story on gb news today, the— to you. the top story on gb news today, the prime— to you. the top story on gb news today, the prime minister will ten— today, the prime minister will tell worm— today, the prime minister will tell world leaders the international system for policing—

international system for policing human trafficking isn't working.— policing human trafficking isn't working. rushi— policing human trafficking isn't working. rishi sunak is currently— working. rishi sunak is currently in— working. rishi sunak is currently in iceland, where he's due— currently in iceland, where he's due to— currently in iceland, where he's due to address— currently in iceland, where he's due to address the— currently in iceland, where he's due to address the council of europe. — due to address the council of europe. he-s— due to address the council of europe. he's going to say the worm-s— europe. he's going to say the worm-s most— europe. he's going to say the world's most vulnerable people are world's most vulnerable people paying— world's most vulnerable people paying the— world's most vulnerable people are paying the price for unlawful— are paying the price for unlawful migration. that us as the government— unlawful migration. that us as the government tries to implement— the government tries to implement the illegal migration bill, implement the illegal migration bm, which— implement the illegal migration hhh which is— implement the illegal migration bill, which is currently going through— bill, which is currently going through the— bill, which is currently going through the house of lords. bill, which is currently going through the house of lords . the through the house of lords. the hw— through the house of lords. the haw aims— through the house of lords. the new law aims to— through the house of lords. the new law aims to tackle small heat— new law aims to tackle small boat crossings,— new law aims to tackle small boat crossings, sending asylum eeeehe— boat crossings, sending asylum eeeehe beeh— boat crossings, sending asylum seekers back home or to a third country— seekers back home or to a third country such— seekers back home or to a third country such he— seekers back home or to a third country such as rwanda. the uk shoute— country such as rwanda. the uk should he— country such as rwanda. the uk should he at— country such as rwanda. the uk should be at the heart of putting this agenda on the international minds of different people and institutions. that's what we'll be doing today, talking to other countries about cooperating, also to talking cooperating, but also to talking the european court. now part of my approach is to put new laws in place in the uk. that's our stop the boats bill. it's novel, it's ambitious, but i believe it is compliant with our international obligations. is compliant with our internationalobligations. but international obligations. but at the same time, we want to make sure that the european court is always conducting itself way which fair , itself in a way which is fair, which which is which is effective, which is transparent , isn't the

transparent, isn't the environment secretary has today stressed the importance of an affordable, sustainable and resilient food supply chain at the farm to fork summit in downing street, the government's promising a fairer price for farmers produce and has pledged to get more of their products on the supermarket shelves. the latest figures show the latest figures show meat, yeehuh— latest figures show meat, yeghuh ahe— latest figures show meat, yoghurt and vegetables are just eh— yoghurt and vegetables are just of the— yoghurt and vegetables are just some of the items— yoghurt and vegetables are just some of the items that have eeuhhee— some of the items that have doubled h— some of the items that have doubled in price— some of the items that have doubled in price compared to a year— doubled in price compared to a year age.— doubled in price compared to a year age. amhe— doubled in price compared to a year ago. amid high inflation. rerree— year ago. amid high inflation. rerree coffey— year ago. amid high inflation. torres coffey says the package of measures will— torres coffey says the package of measures will boost the food supply— of measures will boost the food euphh eheh— of measures will boost the food euphh eheh rhe— of measures will boost the food supply chain and grow the economy— supply chain and grow the economy. i'm- supply chain and grow the economy . supply chain and grow the- economy . i'm conscious that our economy. i'm conscious that our supermarkets get involved in a variety of ways on how they help consumers. i'll leave that to the select committee, but what is critical is coming here today getting the food supply chain from the farm. indeed , the see from the farm. indeed, the see rhghr— from the farm. indeed, the see hghr rhrereh— from the farm. indeed, the see right through to— from the farm. indeed, the see right through to the— indeed, the see right through to the fork and aberr— right through to the fork and he herr— right through to the fork and about how we— right through to the fork and about how we can continue to work— about how we can continue to work regerher— about how we can continue to work together to _ about how we can continue to work together to have that secure— work together to have that eeeuhrr er— work together to have that security of production, but security of food production, but ahe— security of food production, but are making— security of food production, but also making sure— security of food production, but also making sure we have a reerhehr— also making sure we have a reerhehr he— also making sure we have a resilient one and- also making sure we have a resilient one and an affordable reed— resilient one and an affordable food production— resilient one and an affordable food production as well . food production as well. rherese— food production as well. therese coffey— food production as well.

therese coffey speaking there. now, three men who supplied fake passports to criminals have been jailed today. anthony beard , jailed today. anthony beard, christopher btec and alan thompson helped murderers and drug dealers evade justice. beard who paid vulnerable people for their expired documents, was sentenced to six years and eight months. his accomplice accomplices, will serve a combined term of ii accomplices, will serve a combined term of 11 years. the national crime agency's deputy director, craig turner, says the falsified passport served as a golden ticket for organised crime. these organisations were involved in drug trafficking, kidnap and money laundering on an international scale for a fog passport allowed those organised criminal networks in order to travel abroad in order to carry out their business, but also allowed them to obviously evade captive by obviously law enforcement that actually sought to arrest them . essex police is to arrest them. essex police is investigating an allegation of serious sexual assault against

solihull mp julian knight. it follows a referral by scotland yard and comes after the metropolitan police dropped its investigation into a claim more than a month ago. mr knight, who's been stripped of the conservative whip, has denied what he described as a false and malicious accusation. he doesn't plan to run in the next election . two members of an organised crime group who smuggled 41 migrants into the uk have been jailed. mohammed awad was sentenced today to over two and a half years in prison at a belfast court. his partner, ahmed omar, was jailed for two years back in march . an years back in march. an investigation by the home office found both men charged migrants £5,000 per journey. both both £5,000 perjourney. both both pleaded guilty to assisting unlawful immigration . russia's unlawful immigration. russia's and ukraine's presidents have both agreed to meet african leaders to discuss a peace plan to end the war in ukraine. a spokesperson for the south

african president's office has said both putin and zelenskyy have agreed to host the african leaders peace mission in their respective capitals, moscow and kyiv . it's being backed by kyiv. it's being backed by african leaders of senegal, uganda, egypt and the democratic repubuc uganda, egypt and the democratic republic of congo and zambia. president zelenskyy has previously said that all russian troops must leave his country for any peace deal to take place here at home, the head of the royal college of nursing is urging union members today to vote in favour of further walkouts to strengthen her hand in negotiations with the government. addressing the annual conference earlier on, pat cullen said the government will be forced to improve their offer if the union has another six month strike mandate a postal ballot on new industrial action will open next week after the rcn turned down a 5% pay rise this year and a one off payment for last year. she also demanded the prime minister come to the negotiating table on absolutely nobody wants to see

twice as many nurses take strike action or twice as many hospitals affected by a strike. prime minister for you did the rhghr— prime minister for you did the hghr rhhe— prime minister for you did the hghr rhhe re— prime minister for you did the right thing to open negotiations whh— right thing to open negotiations whh rhe— right thing to open negotiations whh rhe h— right thing to open negotiations with me in february before the 75h— with me in february before the rsrh hrrrheer— with me in february before the 75th birthday of— with me in february before the 75th birthday of the nhs this july-— 75th birthday of the nhs this julv- rer— 75th birthday of the nhs this my her he— 75th birthday of the nhs this july- her he ger— 75th birthday of the nhs this july. let us get the job hhrehee— july. let us get the job finished ._ july. let us get the job finished . greg bakery has finished. greg bakery has reveeree— finished. greg bakery has revealed its— finished. greg bakery has revealed its sales have surged by heerh— revealed its sales have surged by nearly a— revealed its sales have surged by nearly a fifth— revealed its sales have surged by nearly a fifth over the last year- — by nearly a fifth over the last year- rhe— by nearly a fifth over the last year. the bakery— by nearly a fifth over the last year. " year. the bakery chain says its food is attractive to customers looking for a cheaper alternative amid the rising cost of living sales. in fact grew by 17% over the last 12 months. and greggs say part of their success is because stores are staying open for longer. selling a wider variety of hot foods in the evening, just before i go, some breaking for news you concerning bird flu details at the moment, but we're learning that it has

been detected in two poultry workers in england . bird flu has workers in england. bird flu has been detected in two poultry workers . in been detected in two poultry workers. in england, been detected in two poultry workers . in england, there are workers. in england, there are no signs , we're told by the uk no signs, we're told by the uk health security agency, however, of human to human transmission . of human to human transmission. further detail on that will be brought to you as soon as we get it. that's all from me. you're watching gb news, britain's news . channel .channel thanks . channel. l thanks for . channel- . thanks for that, . chehher— . thanks for that, polly. i'm thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle . thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry— - thanks for that, polly. i'm i michelle dewberry-me, michelle dewberry alongside me, the michelle dewberry alongside me, he hehrreer— michelle dewberry alongside me, the political sketchwriter at he— the political sketchwriter at rhe—rerrel the political sketchwriter at. the—letts and the political sketchwriter at- the_letts and the the times. quentin letts and the eehrhhurhe— the times. quentin letts and the contributing novara contributing editor at novara heare— contributing editor at novarai merrie—heed media, michael walker. good evening— media, michael walker. good evening .— media, michael walker. good evening , gentlemen. good evening evening, gentlemen. good evening . 0r— evening, gentlemen. good evening . or we— evening, gentlemen. good evening . or we had— evening, gentlemen. good evening . or we had reh— evening, gentlemen. good evening . or we had fun at— evening, gentlemen. good evening . or we had fun at buckingham parace— . or we had fun at buckingham palace. didn't— . or we had fun at buckingham palace. didn't we?— . or we had fun at buckingham palace. didn't we? we " palace. didn't we? we did. this is palace. didn't we? we did. this he thre— palace. didn't we? we did. this he his he— palace. didn't we? we did. this is this is less,— palace. didn't we? we did. this is this is less, less— palace. didn't we? we did. this is this is less, less grand, but very colourful. just as exciting writing, though. look at you. all writing, though. look at you. au exehhe— writing, though. look at you. all exciting-i've- writing, though. look at you. all exciting.-i've come all exciting. yes. and i've come dressed— all exciting. yes. and i've come oreeeeelrhe— all exciting. yes. and i've come dressed the backdrop again. i dressed as the backdrop again. i heed— dressed as the backdrop again. i need ro— dressed as the backdrop again. i need ro hor— dressed as the backdrop again. i heeo ro hor r— dressed as the backdrop again. i need to not i need— dressed as the backdrop again. i need to not i need to not dress rhe— need to not i need to not dress rhe seme— need to not i need to not dress

rhe ee— need to not i need to not dress rhe he hw— need to not i need to not dress the same as my sets. i really do heed— the same as my sets. i really do need—memo into- the same as my sets. i really do need memo into my need to get that memo into my head.— need to get that memo into my here. where— need to get that memo into my head. what's-your- head. what's on your mind rohrehr— head. what's on your mind tonight-home?- tonight at home? vaiews@gbnews.uk is how tonight at home?— vaiews@gbnews.uk is how you reach— vaiews@gbnews.uk is how you reach me— vaiews@gbnews.uk is how you reach me on the— vaiews@gbnews.uk is how you reach me on the email. or you rweer— reach me on the email. or you rweer rhe— reach me on the email. or you can tweet me at— reach me on the email. or you can tweet me at gb news. lots to raw— can tweet me at gb news. lots to oh wow— can tweet me at gb news. lots to talk about tonight— can tweet me at gb news. lots to talk about tonight .— can tweet me at gb news. lots to talk about tonight . i can tell talk about tonight. i can tell we.— talk about tonight. i can tell yew. her-e— talk about tonight. i can tell you. let's start— talk about tonight. i can tell you. let's start with food , you. let's start with food, shru— you. let's start with food, eheu wee— you. let's start with food, shall we? have- you. let's start with food, shall we? have you noticed that the shall we? have you noticed that he whee— shall we? have you noticed that he whee or— shall we? have you noticed that the price of your— shall we? have you noticed that the price of your shop going up? if the price of your shop going up? h vou— the price of your shop going up? h we have— the price of your shop going up? if you have not,— the price of your shop going up? if you have not, please can you reu— if you have not, please can you reu rhe— if you have not, please can you tell me where— if you have not, please can you tell me where you've been? shephe— tell me where you've been? shopping, please? because i were— shopping, please? because i worm-heed- shopping, please? because i would head there myself. would like to head there myself. heeewee— would like to head there myself. because-through- would like to head there myself. because through the because prices are through the roof— because prices are through the roof h— because prices are through the roof h wohowo— because prices are through the roof in various places, whether it's roof in various places, whether he meow— roof in various places, whether it's meat, yoghurt, veg. apparently— it's meat, yoghurt, veg. apparently they seem to have oowhreo— apparently they seem to have oowhreo h— apparently they seem to have doubled in price.— apparently they seem to have doubled in price. let's have a orwe— doubled in price. let's have a hrrre rook,— doubled in price. let's have a little look, if— doubled in price. let's have a little look, if i— doubled in price. let's have a little look, if i can— doubled in price. let's have a little look, if i can show you or— little look, if i can show you or he— little look, if i can show you some of the figures, just to show— some of the figures, just to show you— some of the figures, just to show you what— some of the figures, just to show you what we're playing wrrh. — show you what we're playing wrrh. rhere— show you what we're playing with. there you— show you what we're playing with. there you go. cheese up over-wir- with. there you go. cheese up over-milk pretty. with. there you go. cheese up. over-milk pretty much over a quarter. milk pretty much ohowr— over a quarter. milk pretty much ohowr o— over a quarter. milk pretty much ohowr o oweher— over a quarter. milk pretty much about a quarter. again veg, 15. weer— about a quarter. again veg, 15. weer re.— about a quarter. again veg, 15. hear we we— about a quarter. again veg, 15. meat 14. it's astronomical, eeoeororw— meat 14. it's astronomical, especially when you consider rhor— especially when you consider that everything— especially when you consider that everything else seems to be going— that everything else seems to be going up— that everything else seems to be going up oe— that everything else seems to be going up as weir.— that everything else seems to be going up as well. quincy let me show— going up as well. quincy let me ororr wrrh— going up as well. quincy let me ororr wrrh wow.— going up as well. quincy let me start with you. what do you make to start with you. what do you make ro hr— start with you. what do you make ro hr our — start with you. what do you make ro hr oh? how— start with you. what do you make to it all? you shouldn't- start with you. what do you make to it all? 413.3" c to it all? you shouldn't ask a fat old sketchwriter to talk

about food, but a year ago i did an any questions thing on radio four, and one of the questions was why is food so cheap? and now look at what's happening. you say , well, the reason you can say, well, the reason it's gone up in price is because everything else has gone up. so energy prices, fertiliser prices , the wages farmers and , the wages for farmers and everything else, but this may be good news for farmers and that they may be getting a better return. i think they were being squeezed about a year ago, but things are some things are still amazing. cheap. it strikes me go go and a bag go to the supermarket and a bag of carrots for £0.17 or something like that. you can't of carrots for £0.17 or someyoug like that. you can't of carrots for £0.17 or someyoug like afford you can't of carrots for £0.17 or someyoug like afford the can't of carrots for £0.17 or someyoug like afford the seed even you can't afford the seed for that. so i think compared to 40 years ago and earlier centuries, i'd say food is remarkably cheap, but it is a worry for people in the household shopping indeed. michael dpp where i shop. oh wow.— michael dpp where i shop. oh wow. h— michael dpp where i shop. oh won. he he— michael dpp where i shop. oh well, in the brick— michael dpp where i shop. oh well, in the brick we- michael dpp where i shop. oh well, in the brick we can- michael dpp where i shop. oh well, in the brick we can swap carrot nuts then see what's occurring. see if i can get him to go for a bargain. oh, boy. yeah there you go. this is. this is the tv show all in rreeh. — this is the tv show all in itself. you— this is the tv show all in itself. you can- this is the tv show all in itself. /r:::r. the?" this is the tv show all in

itself. /r1:4. t 1“ 1“ itself. you can take him shopping. i go for the wonky stuff. yeah. there you go. oh, i wouldn't touch that. i suppose one of the. one— wouldn't touch that. i suppose one of the. one of— wouldn't touch that. i suppose one of the. one of the- 1“ e i suppose one of the. one of the causes you— one of the. one of the causes you oroh-r— one of the. one of the causes you didn't mention was climate change.— you didn't mention was climate change. actually— you didn't mention was climate change. actually so the change. actually so one of the reasons-seeing- change. actually so one of the reasons seeing high food reasons we are seeing high food whee.— reasons we are seeing high food prices, obviously— reasons we are seeing high food prices, obviously the war in where— prices, obviously the war in ukraine-all— prices, obviously the war in ukraine all these issues ukraine and all of these issues when— ukraine and all of these issues when-ro— ukraine and all of these issues when-to well,- ukraine and all of these issues when-to well, i- ukraine and all of these issues when to well, i mean, when it comes to well, i mean, hrexrr— when it comes to well, i mean, hrexrr re— when it comes to well, i mean, brexit is involved. _ when it comes to well, i mean, brexit is involved. obviously. rhere-e— brexit is involved. obviously. rhere-e oreo— brexit is involved. obviously. there's also food— brexit is involved. obviously. there's also food inflation, whroh— there's also food inflation,| which—germany. which is higher in germany. so it's which is higher in germany. so ire—here.- which is higher in germany. so it's—brexit, but- it's not purely brexit, but i rhhh— it's not purely brexit, but i rhhh rhor— it's not purely brexit, but i think that has— it's not purely brexit, but i think that has something to do wrrh—r- think that has something to do wrrh—r rhhhl with it. but i suppose i think we oohe— with it. but i suppose i think we going ro— with it. but i suppose i think we are going to be seeing supply chain— we are going to be seeing supply chain disruptions— we are going to be seeing supply chain disruptions lot chain disruptions quite a lot more-furore- chain disruptions quite a lot more future because what more in the future because what we rhowehr— more in the future because what we rhowohr woe— more in the future because what we thought was after covid, we oohe— we thought was after covid, we going-eer— we thought was after covid, we were going get supply were going to get this supply chain— were going to get this supplyi ohoh—o chain disruption, we'll have a bit-inflation,— chain disruption, we'll have a bit-inflation,-it- chain disruption, we'll have a bit inflation, it will bit of inflation, then it will go bit of inflation, then it will eo-rheh— bit of inflation, then it will go then something else go away. then something else come-rhe— go away. then something else came-the war— go away. then something else came the war ukraine came came up. the war in ukraine came up how— came up. the war in ukraine came up rowerhe— came up. the war in ukraine came up now. extreme weather is coming— up now. extreme weather is coming wo— up now. extreme weather is coming who-horre- up now. extreme weather is coming up parts europe coming up in parts of europe rhor— coming up in parts of europe that produces— coming up in parts of europe that produces tomatoes and eorooe. — that produces tomatoes and. salads. _probably salads. so i think we probably need— salads. so i think we probably heed-hooking— salads. so i think we probably need-lookinglbit- salads. so i think we probably need looking bit more need to be looking a bit more hone— need to be looking a bit more long rere— need to be looking a bit more long here. how— need to be looking a bit more long term. how do food long term. how do we have food eeowhw— long term. how do we have food eeowhw h— long term. how do we have food security in-country?- long term. how do we have food security in country? what security in this country? what are security in this country? what rhe — security in this country? what rhe whor— security in this country? what are the what are— security in this country? what are the what are the uncertain ohree— are the what are the uncertain ohree oho— are the what are the uncertain antes and the— are the what are the uncertain antes and the challenges that howe— antes and the challenges that hove-wo— antes and the challenges that hove-uh h— antes and the challenges that have _up in the - antes and the challenges that. have _up in the _that have come up in the future that weowore— ore - have come up in the future thatj we_aware of? well, we need to be aware of? well, things— we need to be aware of? well, rhhoe r— we need to be aware of? well, things i depends things i mean, it depends slightly on the harvest as well. and, you know, this this this spnng and, you know, this this this spring has very wet and spring has been very wet and cold far, that might help

cold so far, but that might help produce a good harvest. you never let's speak to never know. well let's speak to a know a thing a chap that might know a thing or shall we? because there or two, shall we? because there hoe— or two, shall we? because there hoe heeh— or two, shall we? because there hoe heeh rhre— or two, shall we? because there has been this big— or two, shall we? because there has been this big kind- , because there has been this big kind of summit conference-it— has been this big kind of summit conference-it what- has been this big kind of summit conference it what will conference call it what you will all conference call it what you will err—ro— conference call it what you will err—ro row- conference call it what you will all—to fork today. all about farm to fork today work— all about farm to fork today mark tufnell_ all about farm to fork today mark tufnell the president of the mark tufnell the president of rhe-hoho— mark tufnell the president ofi the-land-business the country land and business aeeoororroh— association was there. he joins us association was there. he joins we-oooo— association was there. he joins us-good evening- association was there. he joins us good evening you. us now. good evening to you. whor— us now. good evening to you. whorlwow— us now. good evening to you. what-you think- us now. good evening to you. what you think core what do you think the core wher— what do you think the core other or— what do you think the core driver of inflation is driver of food inflation is hehr— driver of food inflation is hohr how— driver of food inflation is right now? mark well, good evening.— right now? mark well, good evening,_both| evening, michel. for both quentin michael right, quentin and michael are right, we've many external we've had so many external shocks the system . last year shocks to the system. last year we had a drought. shocks to the system. last year we had a drought . we had we had a drought. we had a shortage because of that. this year we've had problems with fertiliser prices being very high . we've got the issue in high. we've got the issue in ukraine continuing and my members who are involved in the food sector are continuing to suffer from those high prices and i think our farmer members are hoping very much for a fair price for them. and what was so important about the summit today was that the prime minister brought together produce

producers, processors and retailers into the same room to talk about how we take food from the field to your fork and has come forward with some initiatives. so come forward with some initiatives . so have you left initiatives. so have you left her— initiatives. so have you left her rheerhe— 1“ e so have you left that meeting feeling reassured? are wow— that meeting feeling reassured? are you positive?— that meeting feeling reassured? are you positive? do you think rheee— are you positive? do you think these initiatives,— are you positive? do you think these initiatives, as you call rherh— these initiatives, as you call rherh wir— these initiatives, as you call them, will actually make a blind bit-difference— them, will actually make a blind bit-differencelyou- them, will actually make a blind bit difference you ? they bit of difference to you? they are bit of difference to you? they o ereo— bit of difference to you? they o ereo h— bit of difference to you? they are a step in the— bit of difference to you? they are a step in the right direction. _ are a step in the right direction. ”r“r1:;1:; are a step in the right direction. are a step in the right— direction. there's some positive thinking on exports in particular. there are some additional trades envoys to make sure that our exports of our brilliant british produce can go out to overseas . there's a to out to overseas. there's a to suggest that there will be some planning reforms to help with the development of farm buildings, because planning needs to be overhauled. when you look at the wider rural economy and there is a push towards helping with innovation because the fruit, horticulture and vegetable sector is in need of

investment. and there are specific measures for that . let specific measures for that. let me ask you very briefly- specific measures for that. let me ask you very briefly ,- t �*" t. ”cit? let me ask you very briefly , final me ask you very briefly, final oweerroh.— me ask you very briefly, final oweerroh oo— me ask you very briefly, final question. do you— me ask you very briefly, final question. do you think that a few— question. do you think that a rew people— question. do you think that a few people among the supply ohohe— few people among the supply ohohe ore— few people among the supply chains are basically being greedy— chains are basically being greedy wheh— chains are basically being greedy when it— chains are basically being greedy when it comes to how much rhew-re— greedy when it comes to how much they're increasing— greedy when it comes to how much they're increasing their prices 7 word.— they're increasing their prices 7 word. he— they're increasing their prices ? well, the grocery- they're increasing their prices 7 ? well, the grocery code adjudicator looks at pricing from the producer through to the processor and the end customer , processor and the end customer, and that hasn't been shown, i don't think necessarily people are greedy. they're taking a fair share of the profit and good price, fair share of profit . what's the fair share of prodd— . what's the fair share of prohr h— . what's the fair share of prorrr h o— . what's the fair share of profit in a cost- what's the fair share of profit in a cost of living ordered — profit in a cost of living crisis? that's- profit in a cost of living crisis? that's a- profit in a cost of living crisis? that's a the supermarkets will always argue that they have a very small percentage of the profits , sort percentage of the profits, sort of 1 to 2. the processors are there competing and then the

farmers , we only get a very farmers, we only get a very small percentage of the overall pound. that's spent. so it's looking at that overall chain , looking at that overall chain, which was part of the discussion today that is so keen to make sure there is fair competition that goes through and the horticulture and the egg sector in particular is being looked at by government and they've just finished looking at the dairy sector to make sure there are no excess profits . okay. excess profits. okay. interesting- r1:;,ok

will be that genuinely the costs of supply have gone up and they don't choice but to don't have much choice but to raise there'll be other raise it. there'll be other sectors they've of sectors where they've kind of got their prices haven't got lucky. their prices haven't gone very much, can gone up very much, but they can follow the wave of inflation and say, prices say, well, we'll rise our prices anyway make a bit of a anyway and make a bit of a packet. so a bit about packet. so it's a bit about passing difference between passing the difference between those.i passing the difference between those. i mean, i was quite interested to today, interested to read today, i think heinz has a 30% profit margin, which seems extraordinary, ketchup extraordinary, and ketchup has gone at the gone up by a huge amount at the moment. so i am sure there are some profits that can be sweet, can squeezed, but there will can be squeezed, but there will also be who will also be farmers who will understandably well, understandably be saying, well, look, fertiliser, understandably be saying, well, looicost fertiliser, understandably be saying, well, looicost of fertiliser, understandably be saying, well, looicost of oil fertiliser, understandably be saying, well, looicost of oil hasertiliser, understandably be saying, well, looicost of oil has gonezr, understandably be saying, well, looicost of oil has gone up and the cost of oil has gone up and there's been some bad harvest and maybe we should waste less. i the that people i mean, the amount that people ohdoh— i mean, the amount that people cheek-re— i mean, the amount that people chuck is ridiculous. chuck away is, is ridiculous. hor— chuck away is, is ridiculous. her-do— chuck away is, is ridiculous. her-do woo— chuck away is, is ridiculous. but-do you _they'rej but why do you think they're chucking away much food? chucking away so much food? because very clever buying because not very clever buying sometimes much you know sometimes buy too much you know i bigger than the tummy and i is bigger than the tummy and also stuff also perhaps some some stuff doesn't well as it might doesn't keep as well as it might but you know i wonder there's but you know i wonder if there's a knowledge because a lack of knowledge because undoubtedly what can undoubtedly in terms of what can you how long can you you freeze, how long can you freeze depher. how you freeze depher. how do you defrost stuff? you store defrost stuff? can you store things or way?

things this way or that way? other for the life of other i cannot for the life of me, fathom at schools. don't me, fathom at schools. why don't we teach anymore ? i mean, we teach kids anymore? i mean, the parents should— we teach kids anymore? i mean, the parents should be— t r:~;f , i mean, the parents should be doing it as the parents should be doing it oe wed.— the parents should be doing it oe wed. vod— the parents should be doing it as well. you know, some of their reehoherhrhw. — as well. you know, some of their responsibility. _but- as well. you know, some of their responsibility. : 1“ e responsibility. yes. but i don't mean to rude, but some mean to be rude, but some parents are gormless. yeah, parents are just gormless. yeah, they like this. they are. to things like this. so if you become less gormless. yes. but yeah, but then you need to taught that don't you. if to be taught that don't you. if you what you're doing you don't know what you're doing and know what and your mam doesn't know what she's and her mum didn't she's doing and her mum didn't know what she's doing around and around well you've got around you go, well you've got to perhaps, but to teach yourself perhaps, but also reiterate that to teach yourself perhaps, but also today reiterate that to teach yourself perhaps, but also today is reiterate that to teach yourself perhaps, but also today is amazingly that to teach yourself perhaps, but also today is amazingly cheap food today is amazingly cheap compared decades and compared to previous decades and centuries. and the price of choker.— centuries. and the price of chicken. for— rt.r1:; ” and the price of chicken. for instance, go to chicken. for instance, you go to he— chicken. for instance, you go to the supermarket,— chicken. for instance, you go to the supermarket, go to aldi or wherever.— the supermarket, go to aldi or whatever, chicken, fish, frozen deh— whatever, chicken, fish, frozen fish, amazingly— whatever, chicken, fish, frozen fish, amazingly cheap. i suppose it fish, amazingly cheap. i suppose rr-oh— fish, amazingly cheap. i suppose rr-oh whor— fish, amazingly cheap. i suppose it on what income it depends on what your income is, it? i think is, doesn't it? and i think that's what's missing is, doesn't it? and i think that'sthis what's missing is, doesn't it? and i think that'sthis conversation missing is, doesn't it? and i think that'sthis conversation so ssing is, doesn't it? and i think that'sthis conversation so far.g from this conversation so far. but comparison to previous but in comparison to previous decades and centuries. well, potentially. i mean, in potentially. but i mean, in comparison to years ago comparison to 2 or 3 years ago when might be budgeting when people might be budgeting compared reason there compared to. so the reason there is a cost of living crisis, which are really which so many people are really fundamentally struggling from at the because prices the moment, is because prices have a more than

have gone up by a lot more than wages. what we keep hearing wages. and what we keep hearing from is we can't from the government is we can't increase public sector wages from the government is we can't increase that.ic sector wages from the government is we can't increase that would or wages because that would fuel inflation. seems a bit inflation. and that seems a bit silly to me what we're silly to me when what we're talking about here is supply silly to me when what we're talkinissuest here is supply silly to me when what we're talkin issues which is supply silly to me when what we're talkin issues which have )ply silly to me when what we're talkin issues which have caused chain issues which have caused food up in prices. you food to go up in prices. you can't nurses a wage cut and can't give nurses a wage cut and think that's going to reduce the pnces think that's going to reduce the prices of and fish and prices of eggs and fish and carrots. i think need carrots. so i think what we need to be talking about is how do we uplift people's wages so they to be talking about is how do we upli managee's wages so they to be talking about is how do we upli manage these jes so they to be talking about is how do we upli manage these kind) they to be talking about is how do we upli manage these kind ofiey can manage these kind of external which we're external shocks, which we're seeing. and and then around seeing. and then and then around welheoodee— seeing. and then and then around welheoodee wow— seeing. and then and then around we.because you talk- “q and then and then around we because you talk about we go because you talk about wedding.— we go because you talk about uplifting, increasing wages and it's uplifting, increasing wages and rr-e—rhel uplifting, increasing wages and rr-elooeee—rhel uplifting, increasing wages and it's pages today the uplifting, increasing wages and it's pages today that the uplifting, increasing wages and it's pages today that actually front pages today that actually the front pages today that actually rhe higher— front pages today that actually the higher people's wages go, the higher people's wages go, he more— the higher people's wages go, the more likely— the higher people's wages go, the more likely many will the higher people's wages go, the ibe'e likely many will the higher people's wages go, the ibe dragged nany will the higher people's wages go, the ibe dragged into will the higher people's wages go, the ibe dragged into a will the higher people's wages go, the ibe dragged into a 40% will the higher people's wages go, the ibe dragged into a 40% tax.l now be dragged into a 40% tax hooker— now be dragged into a 40% tax bracket because _ now be dragged into a 40% tax bracket because the thresholds hove — wow.- bracket because the thresholds howe — how. r- bracket because the thresholds have _ now, i thinkj have been frozen. now, i think it's have been frozen. now, i think ire—whor- have been frozen. now, i think rr-e—whor do- have been frozen. now, i think it's—what do you| it's for six years. what do you redhe— it's for six years. what do you makelthat? — it's for six years. what do you make .that? well,- it's for six years. what do you make .that? well, i- it's for six years. what do you make that? �*fd�*rz4e it's for six years. what do you make that? make to that? well, i suppose to start with, if you're if you're at that top bracket, you're probably one of most probably not one of the most sort desperate people who are sort of desperate people who are on the moment now on strike at the moment now anyway. so is important to anyway. so it is important to howe— anyway. so it is important to have - perspective - have some perspective here. i rheohledoooee— have some perspective here. i rheohledoooee-rr- have some perspective here. i mean, suppose it comes to mean, i suppose when it comes to the mean, i suppose when it comes to rhe-ewererh— mean, i suppose when it comes to rhe-ewererh hw— mean, i suppose when it comes to the system, my position is the tax system, my position is her— the tax system, my position is her oorddw— the tax system, my position is that actually should be that actually taxes should be higher— that actually taxes should be higher-r— that actually taxes should be higher-i look- that actually taxes should be higher-i look at- higher overall. i look at countries— higher overall. i look at countries-you- higher overall. i look at countries you have higher overall. i look at countries-you have more

countries where you have a more eorr— countries where you have a more eorrldwheed— countries where you have a more sort-civilised out— countries where you have a more sort civilised out style of sort of civilised out style of hwhe— sort of civilised out style of living productivity is living where productivity is higher— living where productivity is higher actually. so most of europe.— europe, for example, france, oerrhohw — europe, for example, france, germany, of germany, sweden, norway, all of rheee— germany, sweden, norway, all of rheee procee— germany, sweden, norway, all of these places where _ germany, sweden, norway, all of these places where they have an exoedehr— these places where they have an excellent _where i excellent welfare state where people— excellent welfare state wherej people—hohrhe excellent welfare state where- people _ months and people aren't waiting months and rhohrhe— people aren't waiting months andi months—operations people aren't waiting months andi monthey_operations people aren't waiting months and monthey tax operations people aren't waiting months and monthey tax as operations people aren't waiting months and monthey tax as a operations and they have tax as a proporrroh— and they have tax as a proportion of- and they have tax as a proportion of gdp around, proportion of gdp at around, wed.— proportion of gdp at around, wed. rrohoe— proportion of gdp at around, well, france, it's— proportion of gdp at around, well, france, it's 40. in many of well, france, it's 40. in many or rhoee— well, france, it's 40. in many of those countries,- well, france, it's 40. in many of those countries, it's about he.— of those countries, it's about ore-dre— of those countries, it's about rs-rr-e es.— of those countries, it's about rs-rr-e do. so- of those countries, it's about 45.-it's 35. so i- of those countries, it's about 45. it's 35. so i would say 45. here it's 35. so i would say we-he— 45. here it's 35. so i would say we-he rhodod- 45. here it's 35. so i would say we be making political we should be making a political oredrhehr— we should be making a political argument—having. argument that actually having higher—he- argument that actually having higher—he good-i higher taxes would be good. i ewhhoee— higher taxes would be good. i suppose-problem- higher taxes would be good. i suppose problem with how suppose the problem with how it's suppose the problem with how he been— suppose the problem with how it's been done— suppose the problem with how it's been done is— suppose the problem with how it's been done is it can seem a bit it's been done is it can seem a or orhhrorw— it's been done is it can seem a bit arbitrary..it's_ it's been done is it can seem a bit arbitrary. it's not the bit arbitrary. so it's not the ooee-rhe— bit arbitrary. so it's not the case the government case that the government have mode— case that the government have made-argument— case that the government have made argument for higher made an argument for higher redee— made an argument for higher rowee-rheh— made an argument for higher taxes-then made- taxes and then made a progreeewe— taxes and then made a progressive you progressive argument will you tax progressive argument will you roxrhe— progressive argument will you he he deh— progressive argument will you tax the rich more, which is what we-he— tax the rich more, which is what we-he dohe— tax the rich more, which is what we be doing. they've we should be doing. they've hereod— we should be doing. they've instead-stealth,. instead done it by stealth, whroh— instead done it by stealth,i which—odd which they're all they're all perihe— which they're all they're all putting-taxes. - which they're all they're all putting taxes. 1“r1:;«r putting up taxes. they love row-es — putting up taxes. they love taxes. politicians adore taxes because it allows them spend because it allows them to spend our all the our money and then claim all the credit themselves. and i think you the case you could easily make the case for lower taxes as for having lower taxes as a stimulus the economy, which stimulus to the economy, which then make everyone feel better off. argument it be off. it the argument it would be wrong level? i would wrong to what level? i would still it because i am so still make it because i am so fed up with paying taxes. i am so of giving. jeremy hunt so fed up of giving. jeremy hunt my drives me nuts.

my money. oh, it drives me nuts. make your argument then. and whor— make your argument then. and who rever— make your argument then. and what level would— make your argument then. and what level would you take it down—sow- what level would you take it- down _say certainly down to? well, i'd say certainly the bring it down five and the bring it down five pe and the bring it down five pe and the tax that the top tax the tax rate that the top tax rate so you'd get rid of the 45. bnng rate so you'd get rid of the 45. bring that to 40. yeah and then whor— bring that to 40. yeah and then what stimulate the economy and it so you'd go for it would so you'd go go for growth you'd go all i would go with with difference with one with one difference though truss got into though liz truss got into trouble she said trouble because she just said i'm to cut taxes and she i'm going to cut taxes and she didn't say where she was going to reduce government spending. and do a bit of that and you have to do a bit of that as well. for instance, would as well. so for instance, would spend on walking and spend less on walking and bicycling strategies on which we're spend 10 billion we're going to spend 10 billion in four years. well in the next four years. well isn't that getting isn't that isn't that getting people out, walking and all the rest it? isn't that going to rest of it? isn't that going to howe— rest of it? isn't that going to have o— rest of it? isn't that going to have o der— rest of it? isn't that going to have a let them— rest of it? isn't that going to have a let them do- ”cs. e?’ isn't that going to have a let them do it themselves? jr1:r1“ . : have a let them do it- themselves? don't spend my have a let them do it— themselves? don't spend my money doing it, please. i mean, we've hod— doing it, please. i mean, we've hodlweore— doing it, please. i mean, we've hodlweore or— doing it, please. i mean, we've had-years of austerity. - r:r1:r1“rg . imean,we've had years of austerity. had 13 years of austerity. i redw— had 13 years of austerity. i really don-r.— had 13 years of austerity. i really don't-have- had 13 years of austerity. i really don't. .have a. had 13 years of austerity. i really don't. have a public really don't. we have a public appetite. don't there's appetite. i don't think there's much— appetite. i don't think there's much owhho— i don't think there's much public appetite. 1“ much public appetite. been corded— much public appetite. been cutting. state _ much public appetite. been cutting .state to - much public appetite. been cutting state to the bone cutting the state to the bone even more. i just went we just wehr— even more. i just went we just wehr rhrodoh— even more. i just went we just wehr rhroddh o— 1“ ”r1“r1:r1:; i just went we just went through a pandemic where i rhhh— went through a pandemic where i rhhh-werw— went through a pandemic where i think-very,-clear. think what was very, very clear is think what was very, very clear he rhod— think what was very, very clear he her he— think what was very, very clear is that this this— think what was very, very clear is that this this logic, this eorr— is that this this logic, this sort-mantra— is that this this logic, this sort mantra efficiency sort of mantra of efficiency

eowhhde— sort of mantra of efficiency eowhhde-wod- sort of mantra of efficiency savings,-you say- sort of mantra of efficiency savings, you say what savings, where you say what going— savings, where you say what going ro— savings, where you say what we're going to.is- savings, where you say what we're going to is cut back we're going to do is cut back rheee— we're going to do is cut back rheee hdhhho— we're going to do is cut back these public services. so rhoro-e— these public services. so there's-capacityl these public services. sol there's-capacity at there's no spare capacity at all. what happened was all. what then happened was there an external shock. we there was an external shock. we keep to these. in keep coming back to these. in that case, it was what that case, it was covid what happened? fell over, happened? the nhs fell over, right? think this idea that right? so i think this idea that what we do, the nhs was what we want to do, the nhs was pulled over by ridiculous pulled over by the ridiculous response covid turning response to covid turning the nhs national covid nhs into the national covid service. that's what happened whrh—rheoh- with the nhs. i mean, i fundamentally disagree with her.— fundamentally disagree with her—dd- fundamentally disagree with that._all right.i fundamentally disagree with that._all right. i| that. well, that's all right. i don-r— that. well, that's all right. i doh-r core— that. well, that's all right. i don't care. i've— that. well, that's all right. i don't care. i've got a thick ehhh. — don't care. i've got a thick ehhh. h— don't care. i've got a thick ehhh. h we— don't care. i've got a thick skin. i was just- don't care. i've got a thick skin. i was just checking. �*vw�*r: skin. i was just checking. we here— skin. i was just checking. we hove rhmo— skin. i was just checking. we have time-into- skin. i was just checking. we have time-into that. i skin. i was just checking. we have time into that. but have time to go into that. but i've been in trouble for i'm i do have to go to break. not because i can't handle- r:r1:r 913 not because i can't handle someone rdhdorhehrohw— because i can't handle someone fundamentally disagreeing with me, fundamentally disagreeing with ere—heed- fundamentally disagreeing with rhehee—d rol fundamentally disagreeing with i rhehee—d do go me, but because i do need to go to me, but because i do need to go rolhreoh— me, but because i do need to go rolhreoh ord— me, but because i do need to go tolbreak and you'll— me, but because i do need to go to break and you'll be to a break and you'll be dooreohorhhg— to a break and you'll be appreciating this because when i oorhewor-r ro— appreciating this because when i come _want to talk- appreciating this because when i come want to talk about come back, i want to talk about hohdhorde— come back, i want to talk about landlords,-know- come back, i want to talk about landlords,-know is- come back, i want to talk about landlords, know is one landlords, which i know is one of .favourite. _ landlords, which i know is one of-favourite. you- landlords, which i know is one of favourite. you equally of my favourite. you are equally ooeehorohe— of my favourite. you are equally passionate,.we'll_ of my favourite. you are equally passionate, we'll have this passionate, so we'll have this outr— passionate, so we'll have this our. rhhe— passionate, so we'll have this out, this cowo— passionate, so we'll have this out, this covid thing on another ehow— out, this covid thing on another ehow.|hhow— out, this covid thing on another show. know viewers show. i know my viewers have errohg—hr-e- strong opinions on it. it's a hoohhhg— strong opinions on it. it's a booking-well- strong opinions on it. it's a booking well done. booking as well. well done. veoh. — booking as well. well done. veoh. _wod— booking as well. well done. yeah-wow go.- booking as well. well done. yeah. you go. you've booking as well. well done. yeah.-you go. you've a yeah. there you go. you've got a whore— yeah. there you go. you've got a future booking— yeah. there you go. you've got a future booking out— yeah. there you go. you've got a future booking out of that. able to future booking out of that. able ro-wodr— future booking out of that. able ro-wodr roo— future booking out of that. able to .your tax bill. - future booking out of that. able to your tax bill. to pay your tax bill. help me pay— to pay your tax bill. help me pay carrots. you don't pay for my carrots. you don't need you don't help need you don't need help paying for because he's

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listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. hi, i'm michelle dewberry - hi, i'm michelle dewberry ohohgehde— - hi, i'm michelle dewberry ohohgehde rhe— alongside me. political sketchwriter- alongside me. political sketchwriter at the times. odehrhh — sketchwriter at the times. quentin letts— sketchwriter at the times. quentin letts and contributor edhror— quentin letts and contributor edhror or— quentin letts and contributor editor at novara— quentin letts and contributor editor at novara media. michael worker.— editor at novara media. michael wohher. dood— editor at novara media. michael walker. good evening back every body.— walker. good evening back every body- oowghoe— walker. good evening back every body. douglas says— walker. good evening back every body. douglas says michelle is a former— body. douglas says michelle is a home we— body. douglas says michelle is a farmer. we only— body. douglas says michelle is a farmer. we only get paid £0.23 a hhrre— farmer. we only get paid £0.23 a he hor— farmer. we only get paid £0.23 a litre for milk.— farmer. we only get paid £0.23 a litre for milk. a&e_ farmer. we only get paid £0.23 a litre for milk. a&e in brittany . hhor-e— litre for milk. a&e in brittany . hhor-e hhoe— litre for milk. a&e in brittany . that's nice. you— litre for milk. a&e in brittany . that's nice. you say i live in home— . that's nice. you say i live in home ord— . that's nice. you say i live in france and the— . that's nice. you say i live in france and the prices have gone up her— france and the prices have gone do her oe— france and the prices have gone do her oe rhdoh— france and the prices have gone up just as much, if— france and the prices have gone up just as much, if not more. you'— up just as much, if not more. rod. ehr— up just as much, if not more. rod. h— up just as much, if not more. you, sir. i know— up just as much, if not more. you, sir. i know that that won't fit you, sir. i know that that won't rhr rhohw— you, sir. i know that that won't rhr many heoohe-e— you, sir. i know that that won't fit many people's narrative that it's fit many people's narrative that he onw— fit many people's narrative that he who o— fit many people's narrative that he who o ok— fit many people's narrative that it's only a uk problem and le. a it's only a uk problem and le. o hrexhr— it's only a uk problem and le. o hrexhr ore— it's only a uk problem and le. a brexit one. graham says it's to a brexit one. graham says it's ro dowr— a brexit one. graham says it's ro down he— a brexit one. graham says it's to down the public to cut back end— to down the public to cut back end her— to down the public to cut back end her he— to down the public to cut back and let the supermarkets suffer whoe— and let the supermarkets suffer price-r— and let the supermarkets suffer whee- ewe— and let the supermarkets suffer price-, says alan.- and let the supermarkets suffer price , says alan. surely price caps, says alan. surely rhod— price caps, says alan. surely her he— price caps, says alan. surely her he her— price caps, says alan. surely that is just basic— price caps, says alan. surely that is just basic communism. i don-r— that is just basic communism. i doh-r rhhhh— that is just basic communism. i doh-r rhhhh h— that is just basic communism. i don't think i want— that is just basic communism. i don't think i want rishi sunak hhwowhhg— don't think i want rishi sunak involving himself in much more. to involving himself in much more. holhoheer.— involving himself in much more. holhoheer. rd— involving himself in much more. to.honest. i'd be— involving himself in much more. to honest. i'd be far happier to be honest. i'd be far happier if to be honest. i'd be far happier hr rhe— to be honest. i'd be far happier hr rhe erode— to be honest. i'd be far happier if the state was— to be honest. i'd be far happier if the state was doing less at he— if the state was doing less at he rhorhehr— if the state was doing less at the moment. anyway, let's talk

hohdhord— the moment. anyway, let's talk landlordlshall_ the moment. anyway, let's talk landlordishall-are- the moment. anyway, let's talk landlord shall are one landlord, shall we? are you one of landlord, shall we? are you one or-we— landlord, shall we? are you one or-we heed- landlord, shall we? are you one of-we need more- landlord, shall we? are you one of-we need more or. landlord, shall we? are you one. of-we need more or less of them? do we need more or less of them? do we need more or less of heme— of them? do we need more or less of them? basically— of them? do we need more or less of them? basically you might be rorhhhhor— of them? basically you might be familiar-with— of them? basically you might be familiar-with some- of them? basically you might be familiar with some of the familiar by now with some of the reorrher— familiar by now with some of the reforms coming— familiar by now with some of the reforms coming down the track. i'm reforms coming down the track. the _wh— reforms coming down the track. i'm _cut straight- reforms coming down the track. i'm _cut straight to - reforms coming down the track. i'm cut straight to the i'm going to cut straight to the ohoee— i'm going to cut straight to the ohoee-rhhe— i'm going to cut straight to the chase-this is- i'm going to cut straight to the chase-this is a- i'm going to cut straight to the chase-this is a bit- i'm going to cut straight to the chase this is a bit of chase because this is a bit of wow— chase because this is a bit of wow horre- — chase because this is a bit of wow rorre. vod— chase because this is a bit of your forte. you blog this your forte. you blog on this hhhd— your forte. you blog on this. hhhd—where kind of stuff, etcetera. where do-erohd— kind of stuff, etcetera. where do-erohd oh— kind of stuff, etcetera. where do-stand on it- kind of stuff, etcetera. where do stand on it all? 1“ do you stand on it all? so in herme— do you stand on it all? so in homes or— do you stand on it all? so in homes of rho— do you stand on it all? so in terms of the rental reform bill, i this is the bare i think this is the bare minimum. iknow i think this is the bare minimum. i know the argument hom— minimum. i know the argument from-landlord— minimum. i know the argument from-landlord-to. minimum. i know the argument fronthat|landlord-to. minimum. i know the argument fronthat ifandlord-to. minimum. i know the argument fronthat if you>rd-to. 1“ i know the argument fronthat if you increase to 1“ i know the argument fronthat if you increase the :o say that if you increase the rhghre— say that if you increase the rhghre or— say that if you increase the rights of renters, then of rights of renters, then some of us rights of renters, then some of we whhh— rights of renters, then some of we whhh-do— rights of renters, then some of us will-up and— rights of renters, then some of us will up and that will us will sell up and that will redhe— us will sell up and that will make-hor— us will sell up and that will make-for renters- us will sell up and that will make for renters harder. make life for renters harder. wow—ehodhdl make life for renters harder.- now_should take now i do think we should take rhod— now i do think we should take rho-hor— now i do think we should take that-butlthink- that seriously, but i think what her— that seriously, but i think what her redhe— that seriously, but i think what that means is— that seriously, but i think what that means is we— that seriously, but i think what that means is we should have the gowerhrhehr— government planning to build rhoreoh-d— government planning to build more-and build- government planning to build- more-and build-social more homes and build more social howehrg— housing, for example. but they don-r— housing, for example. but they doh-r—reoordi don't have a good track record of don't have a good track record or-rhor.— don't have a good track record or-rhor. do— don't have a good track record of-that, do they? - don't have a good track record of that, do they? don't have a good track record- of-that, do they? so where of doing that, do they? so where are of doing that, do they? so where rhodo— of doing that, do they? so where are these people going to live in meantime? the in the meantime? if the landlords off? well, landlords do sell off? well, they'll have to work- :: r:r1:r r1:r”7 well, they'll have to work on that. i mooh.|edoooee— they'll have to work on that. i mean,lsuppose-argumentj they'll have to work on that. i mean, suppose argument i'm mean, i suppose the argument i'm going that the going to make is that the reforms rental reform reforms in the rental reform bill the minimum bill are the bare minimum that makes liveable. makes renting liveable. there are bigger and bigger section of society now living in are bigger and bigger section of sociprivate now living in are bigger and bigger section of sociprivate rentalow living in are bigger and bigger section of sociprivate rental sector.|g in are bigger and bigger section of sociprivate rental sector. and the private rental sector. and so use my personal example so to use my personal example here, know the here, and i know i'm not the person met set up by person who most met set up by the rental market in the uk

right but i know if right now, but i don't know if i'm be able to stay in i'm going to be able to stay in my i don't my house after august. i don't know rent is going to go know if my rent is going to go up it went up by 15% last up by 15. it went up by 15% last summer. very difficult to summer. very very difficult to make term plan make any kind of long term plan because any kind because you don't have any kind of long term contract. so at the moment it's case that in the moment it's the case that in the uk way housing uk the only way to have housing security, not able to security, if you're not able to get a social housing waiting get on a social housing waiting list, very long, list, which is very, very long, is to buy a house. now that's unaffordable for lots of people, or a long term let or you could get a long term let not all lets are a year. well, no. well, it's very to no. well, it's very difficult to get term let so again get a long term let so again last summer when they raised our rent by 15% we to yes rent by 15% we had to say yes because have much because you don't have much choice. you don't have any rights but rights at the moment. but we said, that. said, okay, 15, we'll do that. we'll struggle, but we'll do that. have a two year that. but can we have a two year contract they no, you contract and they said, no, you can 12 month contract, can have a 12 month contract, right? why wouldn't they? right? and why wouldn't they? because from their perspective, right? and why wouldn't they? becfewerrom their perspective, right? and why wouldn't they? bec fewer rom th we perspective, right? and why wouldn't they? bec fewer rom th we perspethe e, the fewer rights we have, the more so they the fewer rights we have, the more very so they the fewer rights we have, the more very happy so they the fewer rights we have, the more very happy to so they the fewer rights we have, the morevery happy to say, so they the fewer rights we have, the more very happy to say, well, ey were very happy to say, well, we'll give you 12 month we'll give you a 12 month contract, then see where contract, then we'll see where the in a year's time. the market is in a year's time. now now the moment, the now now at the moment, the system incentivises them to do now now at the moment, the syste and centivises them to do now now at the moment, the syste and izntivises them to do now now at the moment, the syste and i think es them to do now now at the moment, the syste and i think if them to do now now at the moment, the syste and i think if we're to do now now at the moment, the syste and i think if we're going that. and i think if we're going to more people

to have more and more people living in private rental living in the private rental sector, seems are, sector, which it seems we are, we make that a sector we do have to make that a sector where can make term where people can make long term plans, people bet into plans, where people can bet into a community key where people plans, where people can bet into a con have ty key where people plans, where people can bet into a conhave ty dread where people plans, where people can bet into a conhave ty dread whereaneople don't have to dread getting an email every summer or every winter, your winter, depending on when your tenancy telling how tenancy starts telling you how much is much more of your income is going up. paying going to get eaten up. paying a landlord. i'm a landlord. well, my whe— landlord. i'm a landlord. well, my we end— landlord. i'm a landlord. well, my we and h— landlord. i'm a landlord. well, my wife and i are— 3: i'm a landlord. well, my wife and i are landlords :: i'm a landlord. well, my wife and i are landlords and we borrowed— my wife and i are landlords and we borrowed some— my wife and i are landlords and we borrowed some money and rough— we borrowed some money and hodghr o— we borrowed some money and bought a property and it was eheowhorhoh— bought a property and it was speculation and— bought a property and it was speculation and we had tenants in speculation and we had tenants hh hr— speculation and we had tenants hh hr ord— speculation and we had tenants hh hr and we— speculation and we had tenants in it and we had— speculation and we had tenants in it and we had about 4 or 5 rehohre— in it and we had about 4 or 5 rehohre ord— in it and we had about 4 or 5 tenants and only— in it and we had about 4 or 5 tenants and only one was any good. — tenants and only one was any good. and— tenants and only one was any good. and he— tenants and only one was any good. and the rest were a header— good. and the rest were a disaster and— good. and the rest were a disaster and made a mess of the hoee— disaster and made a mess of the hoee dhdh-r— disaster and made a mess of the hoee dhdh-r how— disaster and made a mess of the house, didn't pay the rent, ooweed— house, didn't pay the rent, caused lots— house, didn't pay the rent, caused lots of— house, didn't pay the rent, caused lots of hassles and so we've, we've, we've stopped dohhg— we've, we've, we've stopped dohhg hr— we've, we've, we've stopped dohhg hr how— we've, we've, we've stopped doing it now. it's— we've, we've, we've stopped doing it now. it's just not worrh— doing it now. it's just not worrh hr.— doing it now. it's just not worth it. what- doing it now. it's just not worth it. what does that mean? howe— worth it. what does that mean? hove wow— worth it. what does that mean? hove you eohd— worth it. what does that mean? have you sold the— worth it. what does that mean? have you sold the house or. no, were— have you sold the house or. no, were-hw— have you sold the house or. no, were-wk ord- have you sold the house or. no, we're-try and do- we're going to try and do hohhdow— we're going to try and do holiday-and- we're going to try and do holiday-and if- we're going to try and do holiday and if they don't holiday lets and if they don't work.— holiday lets and if they don't work her— holiday lets and if they don't work, then we'll— holiday lets and if they don't work, then we'll just get rid of the work, then we'll just get rid of rhe-ohd— work, then we'll just get rid of rhe-ohd hr-e— work, then we'll just get rid of the-and it'slgreat- work, then we'll just get rid of the and it's great pity the house and it's a great pity heeowee— the house and it's a great pity heeowee hr— the house and it's a great pity because it was— the house and it's a great pity because it was it— the house and it's a great pity because it was it was the idea woe-howe— because it was it was the idea was have something for our was to have something for our rerhrerhehr— was to have something for our retirement-sort- was to have something for our retirement sort pay our retirement and sort of pay our way— retirement and sort of pay our wow rhrowgh— retirement and sort of pay our way through retirement and it's how—dhoew- way through retirement and it'si now—dicey because way through retirement and it'si novtl_dicey because way through retirement and it's novti mean dicey because way through retirement and it's novti mean the dicey because way through retirement and it's

novti mean the main ey because way through retirement and it's novti mean the main reasoniuse way through retirement and it's novti mean the main reason fore the i mean the main reason for it the i mean the main reason for hr he— the i mean the main reason for hr he he— the i mean the main reason for hr he he roo— the i mean the main reason for it is the tax hassles , the it is the tax hassles, the government _ it is the tax hassles, the government hassles on things he— government hassles on things hhhe howhhg— government hassles on things like having to— government hassles on things like having to have an energy. whor— like having to have an energy. who do— like having to have an energy. who do you— like having to have an energy. what do you mean, certificate? do what do you mean, certificate? oo wow— what do you mean, certificate? oo you hear— what do you mean, certificate? do you mean that— what do you mean, certificate? do you mean that you .can't orreer— do you mean that you .can't orreer wow— do you mean that you .can't offset your mortgage against the reord— offset your mortgage against the red? wed.— offset your mortgage against the rent? well, the _ offset your mortgage against the rent? well, the taxation is now much — rent? well, the taxation is now much he— rent? well, the taxation is now much less good— rent? well, the taxation is now much less good than it was when we rhrer— much less good than it was when we rhrer wehr— much less good than it was when we first went into— much less good than it was when we first went into it— much less good than it was when we first went into it . the we first went into it. the hreoedrw— we first went into it. the treasury has— we first went into it. the treasury has clawed back some odwohrogee— treasury has clawed back some advantages that— treasury has clawed back some advantages that george osborne hrodghr— advantages that george osborne hrodghr hh— advantages that george osborne hrowghr hh ord— advantages that george osborne brought in and the sort of regwhorow— brought in and the sort of regulatory burden is a nuisance to regulatory burden is a nuisance do he— regulatory burden is a nuisance ro — regulatory burden is a nuisance ro hhhe— regulatory burden is a nuisance to me. this boils— regulatory burden is a nuisance to me. 1“ : to me. this boils down to a fundamental question , and that fundamental question, and that is do people agree with the premise that a house is an asset to be able to make money from home? that for me is the fundamental crux of what's wrong with it. i mean, it's a hdeheee— with it. i mean, it's a business, isn't- e i mean, it's a business, isn't it? i mean, with it. i mean, it's a- business, isn't it? i mean, you know.— business, isn't it? i mean, you know. whee— business, isn't it? i mean, you know, one tries to _ business, isn't it? i mean, you know, one tries to be entrepreneurial and to be self—sufficient- entrepreneurial and to be self—sufficient economically and you ger— self—sufficient economically and you ger whoohed— self—sufficient economically and you get whacked by the treasury. but you get whacked by the treasury. hdr hr— you get whacked by the treasury. hdr hr woo— you get whacked by the treasury. but if you couldn't— you get whacked by the treasury. but if you couldn't afford- you get whacked by the treasury. but if you couldn't afford to- but if you couldn't afford to get on the housing ladder and then the tables reversed. then the tables were reversed. so you're now desperately trying to get rental ladder and

to get on the rental ladder and you're renting and people are kicking you out or increasing your sitting your thing. and he was sitting there houses. i'm not there with four houses. i'm not saying houses, saying you've got four houses, by role playing. by the way. i'm role playing. he's got i'm doing dewbs he's got i'm doing my own dewbs & got & co monopoly board. you've got four would you look at four houses. would you look at him and go, yes, it's a business or sitting there or would you be sitting there going, is just it's not going, this is just it's not fair. i mike be very good deodor— fair. i mike be very good tenant. but— fair. i mike be very good tenant. but the- 3 i mike be very good tenant. but the tenants we've hod— tenant. but the tenants we've had—hord- tenant. but the tenants we've i had _total nightmare had have been a total nightmare and—unreasonable.- had have been a total nightmare and unreasonable. bill and have been unreasonable. bill and have been unreasonable. bill ohd-rhew-we— and have been unreasonable. bill and-they've made- and have been unreasonable. bill and they've made such a and have had they've made such a rhhrhw— and have had they've made such a rhhrhw-rhe— and have had they've made such a filthy-the houses- and have had they've made such a filthy-the houses of- and have had they've made such a filthy the houses of the filthy mess of the houses of the hodee— filthy mess of the houses of the hodee rhod— filthy mess of the houses of the house that it's— filthy mess of the houses of the house that it's just— filthy mess of the houses of the house that it's just been unbearable.— house that it's just been unbearable. it's been heartbreaking actually, because we ger— heartbreaking actually, because we ger rhe— heartbreaking actually, because we get the place— heartbreaking actually, because we get the place ready all clean ord— we get the place ready all clean end-cohe— we get the place ready all clean ohdioohe ord— we get the place ready all clean and-come and find- we get the place ready all clean and come and find it covered and we come and find it covered in and we come and find it covered hh ohh— and we come and find it covered hh odd-or— and we come and find it covered in all of undescribable in all sorts of undescribable h— in all sorts of undescribable mess. i mean,— in all sorts of undescribable mess. i mean, where i disagree here— mess. i mean, where i disagree here ord— mess. i mean, where i disagree here end he— mess. i mean, where i disagree here end he or— mess. i mean, where i disagree here and it's on quite a philosophical- here and it's on quite a philosophical level, you of philosophical level, you sort of say philosophical level, you sort of eow—hr-e- say it's a business if it's orohhr— say it's a business if it's profit making. \rr1:rorr1 1“r1:;"r1:; say it's a business if it's profit making. \rr1:rorr1 “r1:r: profit making. now, there is some to having the profit some use to having the profit motive in some parts of the economy. will drive economy. so what that will drive is it will drive is efficiency. it will drive more when it comes to more production when it comes to the private rental market, that's what happens. so when that's not what happens. so when you a house, you can call you bought a house, you can call it entrepreneurship, but you bought that already bought a house that already existed. didn't buy it, existed. if you didn't buy it, it would still be there. so

it would still be there. and so to rental system to me, the private rental system is different to other areas of the essentially the economy because essentially what who what you've got is people who have which they can have the capital which they can leverage house, getting leverage to buy a house, getting working people who don't have that to pay them third that capital to pay them a third of their doing of their income for doing nothing. i you might have nothing. i mean, you might have to light every to change the light bulb every now it's not now and again, but it's not a normal so to me, there's a normal job. so to me, there's a sort of feudal relationship which landlordism , which underlines landlordism, which underlines landlordism, which is different to many which is quite different to many other business, not my understanding feudal understanding of the word feudal , you're basically making , but you're basically making communist argument, that's communist argument, and that's a communist argument, and that's a communist argument, and that's a communist argument, social democratic say that democratic argument to say that there of the there are many areas of the economy, democratic economy, social democratic argument, end of argument, the communist end of the what i'm saying, it's quite specific . there are many areas specific. there are many areas of economy where the profit of the economy where the profit motive works. well, you know, i don't think should left to don't think it should be left to its devices. i think need its own devices. i think we need regulation, but does regulation, but it does encourage innovation. it does encourage innovation. it does encourage savings. encourage efficiency savings. that's be the case that's not going to be the case where you've got a group of people set of assets people buying a set of assets which exist, because which already exist, because obviously when you become a landlord, new isn't landlord, a new house isn't created. when you stop being a landlord house doesn't landlord and a new house doesn't disappear the product which

disappear. so the product which people consuming stayed disappear. so the product which people the consuming stayed disappear. so the product which people the same.ning stayed disappear. so the product which people the same. all| stayed disappear. so the product which people the same. all that'stayed exactly the same. all that's happening is a transfer of wealth. who's going to provide rheee— these houses otherwise? who's going— going to provide the housing? wed.— going to provide the housing? wed-whereo— going to provide the housing? well,-vienna,-is. well, so in vienna, which is named actually the economist, named actually by the economist, so market newspaper as so a free market newspaper as the best place to live in the world. 60% of the viennese live in social housing. why that works so well because you've works so well is because you've got all different classes there, which housing in this which means housing in this country people. but country is such a people. but the after it. the the don't look after it. the reason-housing- the don't look after it. the reason-housing is. the don't look after it. the reason housing is a bit reason social housing is a bit of don't even i of a well, i don't even i wouldn't that social wouldn't agree that social housing is a disaster. but the reason a lower quality reason it is of a lower quality here it is in, say, vienna here than it is in, say, vienna is because especially due to margaret thatcher, happened is because especially due to margaret housingr, happened is because especially due to margaret housing is happened is because especially due to margaret housing is it happened is because especially due to margaret housing is it becamezned to social housing is it became a residual is dreaded fanchea? residual is the dreaded fanchea? no, but it's true. so essentially with essentially what you did with right is more of the right to buy is more of the sort of middle tenants. they of middle class tenants. they were their homes. were able to buy their homes. so you wanting more people so are you wanting more people deoehdehr— so are you wanting more people dehehdehr oh— so are you wanting more people dependent on the— so are you wanting more people dependent on the state? o/r1:;~;fr dependent on the state? yes. vee- vee- — dependent on the state? yes. vee- vee- hor— dependent on the state? yes. yes. yes. but because- dependent on the state? o/r1:;5 o/r1:5 yes. t yes. yes. but because we have examples of this and they're not communist examples. so vienna, again, the economist ends up in again, the economist ends up in a draghi. so it doesn't because heed— a draghi. so it doesn't because hoer oerrhoh— a draghi. so it doesn't because east german sort— a draghi. so it doesn't because east german sort of— j 3 so it doesn't because east german sort of vienna. east german sort of no, vienna. so east german sort of no, vienna. so-o— east german sort of no, vienna. so-o rhhe— east german sort of no, vienna. so-o rhhe he— east german sort of no, vienna. so-o rhhe he o— east german sort of no, vienna. so-a this is a good- so this is a this is a good i made a podcast on vienna . so in made a podcast on vienna. so in this country if you

made a podcast on vienna. so in this country-if you see- this country if you if you see ewhrhrhhhg— this country if you if you see swimming pools— this country if you if you see swimming pools on the top of rower— swimming pools on the top of tower blocks,— swimming pools on the top of tower blocks, for— swimming pools on the top of tower blocks, for example, here— that's a big sign of gentrification. an area gentrification. this is an area whhoh— gentrification. this is an area whhoh he— gentrification. this is an area which is become— gentrification. this is an area which is become completely unaffordable— which is become completely unaffordable vienna, social which is become completely unafford has vienna, social which is become completely unafford has swimming social which is become completely unafford has swimming pools. which is become completely unafford has swimming pools on housing has swimming pools on the housing has swimming pools on he roof.— housing has swimming pools on he rooh eodhoe— housing has swimming pools on the roof, saunas and swimming hoode— the roof, saunas and swimming ooohe oh— the roof, saunas and swimming rode or he— the roof, saunas and swimming pools on the roof.— the roof, saunas and swimming pools on the roof. and that's heeowee— pools on the roof. and that's because different sections because all different sections of because all different sections or—so- because all different sections| or—so rhere because all different sections| ore—so rhere because all different sections of a demand so there because all different sections of a demand to so there because all different sections ofa demand to make so there because all different sections ofa demand to make it there because all different sections ofa demand to make it luxury. is a demand to make it luxury. coh— is a demand to make it luxury. cor h— is a demand to make it luxury. cor h reh— is a demand to make it luxury. cor h ask you— is a demand to make it luxury. cor h ask you r— is a demand to make it luxury. can i ask you a question?- is a demand to make it luxury. can i ask you a question? if you owned it was your owned a property, it was your home, you sell whatever and you had spare cash, whether had a bit of spare cash, whether it releasing in your it was releasing equity in your home whatever windfall. home or whatever windfall. another way you another way would you buy a second able second property to be able to provide yours your provide for yours and your children's into your children's income into your later if could later years? if you could financially afford think financially afford it? i think because views financially afford it? i think because-views on- because of my views on landlordism,_ because of my views on landlordism, that landlordism, i find that uncomfortable. r:r1:r landlordism, i find that- uncomfortable. _do want to uncomfortable. but i do want to stress but uncomfortable. but i do want to erroee-hdr hr— uncomfortable. but i do want to stress-but it might- uncomfortable. but i do want to stress-but it might be- stress that. but it might be uncomfortable,— stress that. but it might be uncomfortable, but- but it might be uncomfortable, but would you do it uncomfortable, but would you do hrlwod— uncomfortable, but would you do hrlwod hod— uncomfortable, but would you do hrlwod had he— uncomfortable, but would you do it you had the cash? would it if you had the cash? would you— it if you had the cash? would wow-eeoohd— it if you had the cash? would wow-eeoohd-hhi you buy a second property in order— you buy a second property in order-wow- you buy a second property in order your family's order to secure your family's rhhohohoh— order to secure your family's financial security? �*" financial security? i mean, if it financial security? i mean, if hr-ohw— financial security? i mean, if it only way to secure my it was the only way to secure my family's financial security, that's difficult question. family's financial security, timean, difficult question. family's financial security, timean, it'sicult question. family's financial security, timean, it's not. no, tion. family's financial security, timean, it's not. no, you're i mean, it's not. no, you're not. i mean, it's not. no, you're hor. hr-e— i mean, it's not. no, you're hor. hr-e hor— i mean, it's not. no, you're not. it's not ever- no, you're not. it's not ever going to be he— not. it's not ever going to be rhe—oehhhg- not. it's not ever going to bei rhe—oehhhg your the only way. i'm asking you, wodhd— the only way. i'm asking you, wodhd-o— the only way. i'm asking you, would-a second- the only way. i'm asking you, would a second property would you buy a second property if would you buy a second property hr-hod— would you buy a second property hr-hod rhe— would you buy a second property if-had the financial- would you buy a second property if had the financial means if you had the financial means to if you had the financial means ro—rdrdrel to secure the financial future of to secure the financial future or—eo— to secure the financial future of_so personally,| to secure the financial futurei of_so personally, i of your family so personally, i wodhdh-r. — of your family so personally, i wodhdh-r. .h— of your family so personally, i wouldn't. .i want-be.

of your family so personally, i- wouldn't. .i want-be clear wouldn't. but i want to be clear that i'm not here judge wouldn't. but i want to be clear that i'nwho here judge wouldn't. but i want to be clear that i'nwho does. ijudge wouldn't. but i want to be clear that i'nwho does. i don't think anyone who does. i don't think he— anyone who does. i don't think he ehodhd— anyone who does. i don't think this should-sort— anyone who does. i don't think this should-sort of- anyone who does. i don't think this should-sort of a- this should be sort of a moralising_ this should be sort of a moralising argument where all hohdhorde— moralising argument where all landlords are— moralising argument where all landlords are terrible people. moralising argument where all landlri'ds are terrible people. moralising argument where all landlri essentiallyble people. moralising argument where all landlri essentially think ople. moralising argument where all landlri essentially think isle. moralising argument where all landlri essentially think is we what i essentially think is we howe— what i essentially think is we hove—heh-rl what i essentially think is we. have—isn't really have a system which isn't really worhhhg— have a system which isn't reallyi worhhhg—oeoohe working well for ordinary people heeowee— working well for ordinary people because incentivising because you're incentivising reorde— because you're incentivising heoohe—oh- because you're incentivising - oeoohe—oh hodehhg. people to speculate on housing, whhoh— people to speculate on housing, whhoh ehodhd— people to speculate on housing, which should really just be. i rhhhh— which should really just be. i rhhhh hr— which should really just be. i rhhhh hr he— which should really just be. i think it is working— which should really just be. i think it is working quite- which should really just be. i think it is working quite well. the trouble is it's struggling to. it might be for you, but wow-re— to. it might be for you, but wow-re o— to. it might be for you, but you're a landlord.- it might be for you, but you're a landlord. but the housing supply struggling housing supply is struggling to keep with immigration levels. keep up with immigration levels. well, come to well, we're going to come on to eorheo— hhr- well, we're going to come on to eorheo— hhr ohl some of these topics a bit on he— some of these topics a bit on he roo— some of these topics a bit on he roo h— some of these topics a bit on he roh hh rhe— some of these topics a bit on the top in the show. but tell the top in the show. but i tell you— the top in the show. but i tell you who.— the top in the show. but i tell you what,.matter- the top in the show. but i tell you what, matter side you what, no matter which side of you what, no matter which side or-wod— you what, no matter which side of-you ehr— you what, no matter which side of-you or or- you what, no matter which side of you sit on, surely of the fence you sit on, surely reorde— of the fence you sit on, surely heoohe our— of the fence you sit on, surely heoohe our-wow- of the fence you sit on, surely people out you don't people out there, you don't rhhhh— people out there, you don't think—working. people out there, you don't. think—working well think that it's all working well at think that it's all working well or he— think that it's all working well at the moment,— think that it's all working well at the moment, do you? can at the moment, do you? how can it at the moment, do you? how can hr he— at the moment, do you? how can hr he he— at the moment, do you? how can it be the situation— at the moment, do you? how can it be the situation that some reorde— it be the situation that some- oeohhe—horheee it be the situation that some- pecproblem_homes? it be the situation that some- pecproblem-byjhomes? no problem with that. by the wow.— no problem with that. by the wow-orher— no problem with that. by the. way. - other- literally way. and other people literally corrod— way. and other people literally oohhor-ger— way. and other people literally cannot-get onto- way. and other people literally cannot get onto the ladder cannot even get onto the ladder to cannot even get onto the ladder ro howe— cannot even get onto the ladder ro howelehhghe— cannot even get onto the ladder to have single what do to have a single one. what do you— to have a single one. what do wow-hr— to have a single one. what do wow-hr rhehe- to have a single one. what do you it then? what's the you do about it then? what's the ohewer—vod- you do about it then? what's the answer?_you tell. answer? i don't know. you tell h— answer? i don't know. you tell h worr— answer? i don't know. you tell h wohr ro— answer? i don't know. you tell me. i want to talk— answer? i don't know. you tell me. i want to talk about kids order— me. i want to talk about kids order-week.— me. i want to talk about kids after-break.-we- me. i want to talk about kids after break. we setting after the break. are we setting rherh — after the break. are we setting rherh _w— after the break. are we setting rherh -e adh- after the break. are we setting them - ? all these i them up to fail? all these rrhgger— them up to fail? all these trigger spaces,— them up to fail? all these trigger spaces, safe spaces, wherever— trigger spaces, safe spaces, whatever-thing. trigger spaces, safe spaces,- whatever-thing under whatever the latest thing under the whatever the latest thing under rhe—exorhe.- the spotlight is exams. apparently— the spotlight is exams. apparently, kids are finding rhhhge— apparently, kids are finding rhhhge hhhe— apparently, kids are finding things like sats too difficult . things like sats too difficult. so things like sats too difficult. so-ro— things like sats too difficult. so-ro eoroo- things like sats too difficult. so to scrap them? so is it time to scrap them?

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vote gb news. choose britain's news . channel news. channel hi there. i'm news. channel— . hi there. i'm michelle cheered— - hi there. i'm michelle dewberry hi there. i'm michelle dewberry alongside - hi there. i'm michelle dewberry ohohgehde-rhe— . hi there. i'm michelle dewberry alongside-the political- alongside with the political eheroh— alongside with the political sketch—timesl alongside with the politicalj sketch—times , sketch writer at the times, odehrhh — sketch writer at the times, quentin letts,— sketch writer at the times, quentin letts, and the contributing - quentin letts, and the contributing editor at novara quentin letts, and the contribimichaeltor at novara quentin letts, and the contribimichael walker. ovara quentin letts, and the contribimichael walker. we �*a quentin letts, and the contribimichael walker. we just media, michael walker. we just oohrhhded— media, michael walker. we just continued that— media, michael walker. we just continued that property conversation - continued that property conversation into the break, andrew— conversation into the break, dhdrew eowe. — conversation into the break, andrew says. i've got two rental orooerhhee— andrew says. i've got two rental orooerhhee ord— andrew says. i've got two rental properties and when my tenants eewed— properties and when my tenants eewed rhe— properties and when my tenants served me notice— properties and when my tenants served me notice ,_ properties and when my tenants served me notice , i'll be served me notice, i'll be eehhhhg— served me notice, i'll be selling both.— served me notice, i'll be selling both. and he says it's hoooehhhg— selling both. and he says it's happening-down- selling both. and he says it's happening down the happening up and down the oodhrrw— happening up and down the oodhrrw-he— happening up and down the country.-he says- happening up and down the country. he says in his mind country. and he says in his mind it country. and he says in his mind hr whhh— country. and he says in his mind hr whhh oowee— country. and he says in his mind it will cause a— country. and he says in his mind it will cause a housing crisis oreored— it will cause a housing crisis created politicians actions. created by politicians actions. i created by politicians actions. h eweoeoh— created by politicians actions. i suspect, though, other people whhh— i suspect, though, other people whhh eow— i suspect, though, other people whhh eow hr— i suspect, though, other people will say, if you're— i suspect, though, other people will say, if you're going to err— will say, if you're going to eehh rhoee— will say, if you're going to sell those houses, that will oreore— sell those houses, that will oreore o— sell those houses, that will create a surplus— sell those houses, that will create a surplus of stock and it rhhghr— create a surplus of stock and it rhhghr oerwohhw— create a surplus of stock and it might actually property might actually bring property orhoee—hr-e- might actually bring property prices—it's thei prices down. i guess it's the rho— prices down. i guess it's the rho-or— prices down. i guess it's the rho-or gar,— prices down. i guess it's the flip of that, says. flip side of that, john says. he— flip side of that, john says. roe-o— flip side of that, john says. h-we-o-ro- flip side of that, john says. i've-a-to let- flip side of that, john says. i've a to let flats. flip side of that, john says.- i've-a-to let flats. all i've got a buy to let flats. all of i've got a buy to let flats. all or he— i've got a buy to let flats. all of this stuff— i've got a buy to let flats. all of this stuff .— i've got a buy to let flats. all of this stuff . if— i've got a buy to let flats. all of this stuff . if pushing of this stuff. if pushing landlords— of this stuff. if pushing landlords is— of this stuff. if pushing landlords is simple , it just landlords is simple, it just means that— landlords is simple, it just means that i— landlords is simple, it just means that i increase my rent to rhe— means that i increase my rent to rhe hew— means that i increase my rent to cover the new costs— means that i increase my rent to cover the new costs . lots of you cover the new costs. lots of you heed— cover the new costs. lots of you rwer eowhhg— cover the new costs. lots of you are just saying that— cover the new costs. lots of you

are just saying that basically rhhe— are just saying that basically he he— are just saying that basically he he he— are just saying that basically this is the government trying to do— this is the government trying to do he— this is the government trying to cover up the fact— this is the government trying to cover up the fact that it's them rhod— cover up the fact that it's them had — cover up the fact that it's them that are causing— cover up the fact that it's them that are causing this problem by not that are causing this problem by nor rheerhhg— that are causing this problem by not meeting property bill rorgere— not meeting property bill targets anyway , keep your targets anyway, keep your rhodghre— targets anyway, keep your rhowghre oh— targets anyway, keep your thoughts on that one coming in. here— thoughts on that one coming in. here dohh— thoughts on that one coming in. let's talk kids— thoughts on that one coming in. let's talk kids shall we? lots to let's talk kids shall we? lots ro-hhro— let's talk kids shall we? lots ro-hhro oh— let's talk kids shall we? lots to-into on this- let's talk kids shall we? lots to into on this one. i to get into on this one. i worry. — to get into on this one. i worry. so— to get into on this one. i worry. so h— to get into on this one. i worry. so i do- to get into on this one. i worry. so i do as a mum. i worry heeowee— worry. so i do as a mum. i worry heeowee h— worry. so i do as a mum. i worry because i think— worry. so i do as a mum. i worry because i think as— worry. so i do as a mum. i worry because i think as a— worry. so i do as a mum. i worry because i think as a society we are because i think as a society we wow— because i think as a society we wow roo— because i think as a society we are way too soft— because i think as a society we are way too soft on _ because i think as a society we are way too soft on children all the are way too soft on children all he whe— are way too soft on children all the time. you're— are way too soft on children all the time. you're trying to proreor— the time. you're trying to protect their— the time. you're trying to protect their feelings. you're dohhg— protect their feelings. you're rwhhg ro— protect their feelings. you're trying to shield— protect their feelings. you're trying to shield them from oheohdrehw— trying to shield them from absolutely everything. and then rhew— absolutely everything. and then rhew ger— absolutely everything. and then once they get out— absolutely everything. and then once they get out into the real word— once they get out into the real world, _cannot - once they get out into the real. world,_cannot cope. once they get out into the real. w

do-wod-re— are quite specific. so sats, you do-wod-re hh— are quite specific. so sats, you do-you're in year- are quite specific. so sats, you do-you're in year six,- ?”r1:; r:. t �*" t. so sats, you do you're in year six, year do when you're in year six, year 11. do when you're in year six, year hr. ard— do when you're in year six, year hr. and-rhhhh— do when you're in year six, year 11. and _think the- do when you're in year six, year 11. and think the idea 11. and i don't think the idea is 11. and i don't think the idea he he— 11. and i don't think the idea he he he— 11. and i don't think the idea is this is supposed to incentivise- is this is supposed to incentivise kids to learn sats were-introduced- incentivise kids to learn sats were introduced because were sort of introduced because whor—ohhe- were sort of introduced because whor—ohhe rol what you want to be able to do is what you want to be able to do he oorhoreo— what you want to be able to do is compare schools. about is compare schools. it's about accountability— accountability for schools, not ehow— accountability for schools, noti ohodr—eo about pressure for kids. and so are about pressure for kids. and so ore-rhe— about pressure for kids. and so ore-rhe odd- about pressure for kids. and so are-the old iq- about pressure for kids. and so are the old iq test? are they like the old iq test? wed— are they like the old iq test? war, ho— are they like the old iq test? well, no, because the iq test wodhdh-r. — well, no, because the iq test wouldn't. : 1“ e wouldn't. wouldn't. but we never used used to take the iq used to. we used to take the iq test and you didn't actually know happening. it was. know it was happening. it was. it could be like exactly. it could be like that. exactly. roadw— it could be like that. exactly. hxoorhw so. — it could be like that. exactly. exactly so. so— it could be like that. exactly. exactly so. so what is exactly so. so what this is for is incentivise to is to incentivise schools to meet standards. it's not to try and get compete with and get kids to compete with each other. and so i think if you've is you've got a situation which is being the news being described in the news today where you've got kids who are and are who are bursting and bursting into tears because they're these they're so stressed about these sats, something's wrong sats, something's gone wrong because that's not they because that's not what they were i don't were intended for. and i don't think much sort of think there is much sort of benefit putting loads of benefit in putting loads of pressure year olds to pass pressure on 11 year olds to pass tests. i mean, in some the tests. i mean, in some of the countries where they've got the best outcomes. so best educational outcomes. so finland, kids finland, for example, kids don't start they're finland, for example, kids don't start not they're finland, for example, kids don't start not vienna. hey're finland, for example, kids don't start not vienna. theye seven, not vienna. they play until vienna. i don't until well, not vienna. i don't know how they do education. if you're hard on vienna. you're very hard on vienna. wed.— you're very hard on vienna. word. they— you're very hard on vienna. well, they they— you're very hard on vienna. well, they they play-a.

you're very hard on vienna. well, they they play for a lot a lot longer a period of time. we've also today that lot longer a period of time. - we've also -today that there we've also seen today that there we-hhow rhe— we've also seen today that there was-know, the uk- we've also seen today that there was know, the uk has gone was a you know, the uk has gone up was a you know, the uk has gone whlreodhhg.— was a you know, the uk has gone uplreading, writing,— was a you know, the uk has gone up reading, writing, which is up in reading, writing, which is greed—whorl great good. but phonics what edwewe— great good. but phonics what surveys-shown- great good. but phonics what surveys-shown is. great good. but phonics what. surveys-shown is that surveys have also shown is that hhde— surveys have also shown is that hhde hr— surveys have also shown is that hhde hh rhhe— surveys have also shown is that kids in this country— surveys have also shown is that kids in this country like to redd— kids in this country like to reed-eo— kids in this country like to read-so they-it| read less, so they enjoy it he.— read less, so they enjoy iti less. - potentially less. so i think potentially eorr— less. so i think potentially eorr or— less. so i think potentially sort of turning— less. so i think potentially sort of turning primary schools horo— sort of turning primary schools hhro-roorow- sort of turning primary schools hhro-roorow. - sort of turning primary schools into _factory . yeah,l sort of turning primary schools. into _factory . yeah, but into an exam factory. yeah, but rhodo— into an exam factory. yeah, but that's parenting into your child will get a joy of reading will surely get a joy of reading ing when you as a parent, invest your time into reading to said kids. ithink your time into reading to said kids. i think it's a bit of horh— kids. i think it's a bit of horh her-r— kids. i think it's a bit of both, isn't it?— r:5 i think it's a bit of both, isn't it? obviously the horehrhhg— both, isn't it? obviously the parenting matters, but i think eohoohhhg— parenting matters, but i think schooling-also- parenting matters, but i think schooling also matter. and schooling will also matter. and donohr— schooling will also matter. and donohrlrdrh— schooling will also matter. and do want turn especially do we want to turn especially when— do we want to turn especially primary schools— do we want to turn especially primary schools exam primary schools into exam roororheee— primary schools into exam - factories?-something factories? i think is something we-rhhhh— factories? i think is something we-think pretty- we should think pretty eerhodehw. — we should think pretty seriously. _ we should think pretty seriously. rr1:; we should think pretty seriously. 91:r seriously. i've got three children and i hope they're happy. they're grown up now, but i always took the view that like chewing gum, they could be stretched a bit and the child quite often will benefit from pressure and will achieve more as a result of that . i've got as a result of that. i've got a daughter in law who's a chinese woman, who is a teacher , and woman, who is a teacher, and she's come to teach in england at and she is amazed at how lax

we are with our children and how we are with our children and how we don't expect more of them. and she's also appalled by the discipline levels in british schools. the lack of the lack of dheohohhre— schools. the lack of the lack of dheohhhhhe. rh— schools. the lack of the lack of discipline. i'm going— t the lack of the lack of discipline. i'm going to say ehe-e— discipline. i'm going to say she's amazed— discipline. i'm going to say she's amazed at- discipline. i'm going to say she's amazed at how disciplined rhew— she's amazed at how disciplined rhew ore— she's amazed at how disciplined they are, appalled— she's amazed at how disciplined they are, appalled . ' 1“r: they are, appalled. and so i rhhhh— they are, appalled. and so i rhhhh ord— they are, appalled. and so i think and she she thinks that children here could be pushed a lot harder. now, there are these statistics about children suffering terrible depression . suffering terrible depression. and i'm a bit sceptical about those figures. and i wonder whether sometimes the kids are putting sickies and sort of saying, oh, i've got this terrible stress. ms i can't possibly english homework, possibly do my english homework, so i, i think kids probably can on the whole be pushed quite a long way to achieve more. i'm not actually sure about this idea that schools aren't that strict. and the reason i say her— strict. and the reason i say her rh— strict. and the reason i say her the hor— strict. and the reason i say that i'm not an— 5”t. and the reason i say that i'm not an educational expen— that i'm not an educational experr. hor— that i'm not an educational exoeh. how r— that i'm not an educational expert, but i went to school in he— expert, but i went to school in rhe-ohd— expert, but i went to school in rhe-ohd rheh— expert, but i went to school in the-and then i- expert, but i went to school in the and then i worked the 1990s and then i worked in a eohooh— the 1990s and then i worked in a eohooh hr— the 1990s and then i worked in a eohooh hh o— the 1990s and then i worked in a school in a london— the 1990s and then i worked in a school in a london in the 2010s woe-errhorer— school in a london in the 2010s was-stricter in— school in a london in the 2010s was-stricter in the- school in a london in the 2010s was stricter in the 2010s. was much stricter in the 2010s. i was much stricter in the 2010s. h rhhhh— was much stricter in the 2010s. hrhhhh rhere— was much stricter in the 2010s. i think there .a _ was much stricter in the 2010s. i think there-a lot- i think there are a lot of reorrher— i think there are a lot of reforms to— i think there are a lot of reforms to schools and horehrhohhw— potentially because of the heogde— potentially because of the league—blairl potentially because of the. league—blair did league tables. blair blair did a hoe—o-

league tables. blair blair did a hoe—o hor- league tables. blair blair did a hoe—o hor rol lot. i think blair did a lot to eorr— lot. i think blair did a lot to eorr or— lot. i think blair did a lot to sort of introduce— lot. i think blair did a lot to sort of introduce more errhorheee— sort of introduce more strictness into schools and that woe—whrh— strictness into schools and that woe—whrh-ohl strictness into schools and that. was-with-on the was unpopular with some on the herd.— was unpopular with some on the herd-loordohhw— was unpopular with some on the left.iactually came— was unpopular with some on the left. actually came to believe left. i actually came to believe her— left. i actually came to believe her oordohhw— left. i actually came to believe that actually-quite - left. i actually came to believe that actually quite good. left. i actually came to believe thateasierlly quite good. left. i actually came to believe thateasierlly kids uite good. left. i actually came to believe thateasierlly kids uitlearnd. left. i actually came to believe thateasierlly kids uit learn in left. i actually came to believe théenvironmentds uit learn in left. i actually came to believe théenvironment where earn in left. i actually came to believe théenvironment where disruptive an environment where disruptive hhde— an environment where disruptivej hhde—dhderrhhhe kids can't, you know, undermine the kids can't, you know, undermine rhe-rhhhg.— kids can't, you know, undermine the thing. obviously, the whole thing. obviously, i rhhhh— the whole thing. obviously, i think there's— the whole thing. obviously, i think there's exclusions too the whole thing. obviously, i think except exclusions too the whole thing. obviously, i think except there'sons too the whole thing. obviously, i think except there's ways too the whole thing. obviously, i think except there's ways to too high, except there's ways to deer— high, except there's ways to deed-odd- high, except there's ways to deoh-hdr h- high, except there's ways to deal-but i think. deal with this. but i think eohoohe— deal with this. but i think schools-stricter- deal with this. but i think schools stricter and more schools are stricter and more ohohhehghhg— schools are stricter and more challenging places than we often ghwe— challenging places than we often ghwe rherh— challenging places than we often give them credit— challenging places than we often give them credit for. and i rhhhh— give them credit for. and i rhhhh more— give them credit for. and i think more so— give them credit for. and i think more so than they were when— think more so than they were when r— think more so than they were when h-h— think more so than they were when i-i think- think more so than they were when i-i think some. when i was. i think some subjects , having helped subjects, having helped my children go through their homework and exams, it struck me that maths teaching had got a lot better. maths is much harder . sciences also english teaching is terrible and the languages have almost disappeared, it seems to me, and i think although tony blair did great things in our state schools, i just get the impression that things have slipped a bit and the teaching unions are militant and unreasonable . well, the and unreasonable. well, the rdhdhhg— and unreasonable. well, the rdhdhhg deo— and unreasonable. well, the funding also dropped- ?“r: e.“ well, the funding also dropped since 2010, dhdh-r— funding also dropped since 2010, dhdh-r hre — funding also dropped since 2010, dhdh-r he so— funding also dropped since 2010, didn't it? so i— funding also dropped since 2010, didn't it? so i don't— funding also dropped since 2010, didn't it? r:r1:r1“ . e didn't it? so i don't think it's all to do with money, though. i think this is to do with teachers minded. i've teachers being minded. i've noficed teachers being minded. i've noticed having just teachers being minded. i've. noticed having just-the

noticed having just entered the word— noticed having just entered the worhd or— noticed having just entered the world of parenthood, that i feel he— world of parenthood, that i feel hhhe ehh— world of parenthood, that i feel hhhe oh oh— world of parenthood, that i feel like all all my— world of parenthood, that i feel like all all my kids are only at when— like all all my kids are only at hdreew hor— like all all my kids are only at nursery, not school, but i've horhoed— nursery, not school, but i've noticed-there's- nursery, not school, but i've noticed there's no noticed that there's no competition - noticed that there's no competition element you're competition element and you're going— competition element and you're gohhglheoohe— competition element and you're going people perhaps would going to people perhaps would rhhhh— going to people perhaps would rhhhh-o— going to people perhaps would rhhhh-o-hhr— going to people perhaps would think-a-bit harsh,- think i'm a little bit harsh, hor— think i'm a little bit harsh, her—rhhhge- think i'm a little bit harsh,| but—things like think i'm a little bit harsh,l but—things like i but just on silly things like i mode— but just on silly things like i rhode my— but just on silly things like i rhode my eoh— but just on silly things like i made my son an— but just on silly things like i made my son an amazing easter horned.— made my son an amazing easter hohher. hr— made my son an amazing easter hohher. h we— made my son an amazing easter bonnet. it was brilliant. it had hhghre— bonnet. it was brilliant. it had hhghre oh— bonnet. it was brilliant. it had hhghre oh hr.— bonnet. it was brilliant. it had hhghre or h h— bonnet. it was brilliant. it had lights on it. i spent ages. it roo— lights on it. i spent ages. it was top notch.— lights on it. i spent ages. it was top notch. and i was saying to was top notch. and i was saying do my— was top notch. and i was saying do my eon— was top notch. and i was saying to my son, you're— was top notch. and i was saying to my son, you're going to smash to my son, you're going to smain it, to my son, you're going to smash it,_90i"9_ to my son, you're going to smash it,_90i"9lwib- to my son, you're going to smash rr,_gg.g.wr. rhel it, kid. you're going to win the reed— it, kid. you're going to win the easter-award.- it, kid. you're going to win the easter award. you're easter bonnet award. you're going— easter bonnet award. you're gohhg—vod-rei going to get a prize. you're going— going to get a prize. you're gohhg-rhedehe.- going to get a prize. you're going medals. was going to get medals. i was heehhhg— going to get medals. i was heehhhglrhe— going to get medals. i was basking the before i'd basking in the glory before i'd ever—rhe- basking in the glory before i'd even _the door.l even sent him out the door. wed— even sent him out the door. war, rheh— even sent him out the door. well, then there— even sent him out the door. well, then there was no competition. - well, then there was no competition. o./r1:4 ”r1:; well, then there was no competition. o./r1:4 9r1:r1“9 well, then there was no- competition. you're going to be well, then there was no c(nightmare you're going to be well, then there was no c(nightmare inyou're going to be well, then there was no c(nightmare in there going to be well, then there was no c(nightmare in the mumsg to be well, then there was no c(nightmare in the mums racebe well, then there was no c(nightmare in the mums race at a nightmare in the mums race at sports day, there was no egg and spoon. you're going to be tripping up. there tripping everyone up. but there was don't even was no competition. don't even get was no competition. don't even ger-ererred— was no competition. don't even get-started about- was no competition. don't eveni get-started about-days get me started about school days heoedee— get me started about school days because _there - because last year there cancelled _ because last year there cancelled my- because last year there cancelled my son's sports day in edwee— cancelled my son's sports day in advance because— cancelled my son's sports day in advance because they're worried rher— advance because they're worried her here — advance because they're worried that there was— advance because they're worried that there was going to be a heed— that there was going to be a heer — that there was going to be a heat wave. and— that there was going to be a heat wave. and i— that there was going to be a heat wave. and i got in touch whrh— heat wave. and i got in touch whrh rhe— heat wave. and i got in touch with the nursery— heat wave. and i got in touch with the nursery and said, i'm hor— with the nursery and said, i'm her-ehow— with the nursery and said, i'm not-about this- with the nursery and said, i'm not about this because you not happy about this because you don-r— not happy about this because you doh-r—rhere-e- don't even know if there's derhhhrehw— don't even know if there's definitely going to be a heat wave-looking- wave. what i'm looking at, it doeeh-r— wave. what i'm looking at, it doesn't-that— wave. what i'm looking at, it doesn't that there going doesn't seem that there is going to doesn't seem that there is going ro—wod-re— doesn't seem that there is going ro—wod-re wow-re- to be one. and you're you're reeohhhg— to be one. and you're you're teaching these— to be one. and you're you're teaching these kids where's teaching these kids that where's wow—hoor- teaching these kids that where's your—your teachersl teaching these kids that where's

yotinto-your teachersl teaching these kids that where's y01 1“ r: “9 o/r1:4.” t teaching these kids that where's yot 1“ “9 1“ teaching these kids that where's yot 1“ 19 go into hiding when they see you coming? well dup, i must coming? no. well dup, i must i should have won that competition. i'm must confess, i eoehr— competition. i'm must confess, i eoehr egee— competition. i'm must confess, i eoehr egee oh— competition. i'm must confess, i spent ages on that— t.r1:r1“ . r1:r1“ i'm must confess, i spent ages on that hat. oo/r1:;5 spent ages on that hat. yes. i order— spent ages on that hat. yes. i must confess— spent ages on that hat. yes. i must confess ,_ spent ages on that hat. yes. i must confess , my— spent ages on that hat. yes. i must confess , my little boy's must confess, my little boy's dad did have to have a word with me about. you're a fast bowler, michel. no, but i want my. i want child and other child . want my child and other child. other children. by the way, life is competitive. yeah, it is. some people are better at stuff than others. don't win than others. you don't win everything. is everything. there is competition. you've got to have some apply some about. you've got to apply yourself. go. yourself. you've got to go. and i do. want that instil. and i i do. i want that instil. and i say that as someone- say that as someone whose ohhhdreh— say that as someone whose children-often- say that as someone whose children often came last. children quite often came last. hor— children quite often came last. her-we— children quite often came last. her-we redghr— children quite often came last.| but-we taught-take but we, we taught them to take it. but we, we taught them to take hr. _wrohgl it. well, there's nothing wrong whrh—hr- it. well, there's nothing wrong whrh—hr woo- it. well, there's nothing wrong. with—if you come with coming loss. if you come deer.— with coming loss. if you come last, try a bit better next time and with life. that's and get on with life. that's what i say. i'm this what i say. i'm sure this conversation could continue as well, to talk about well, but i need to talk about something else before i go. everybody. because suella braverman she was saying, look at glad you've read at him. i'm glad you've read the notes 617 always good to notes from 617 always good to have people what have people that know what they're the show, they're doing. it on the show, isn't she's isn't it? yes anyway, she's saying whole drive for saying that this whole drive for multiculturalism , this i said to multiculturalism, this i said to you i was going to tongue tie that way, didn't i?

multiculturalism. thanks, multiculturalism. yeah thanks, carmen sandiego. you've earned your pronouncing your feedback now by pronouncing words is it words properly. anyway is it a recipe disaster or not? see recipe for disaster or not? see you .

in two. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry alongside my political sketchwriter at times. quinton letts and contributing editor at novara media, michael ward . i've novara media, michael ward. i've just been talking about to how soft on kids. nev you say a point that i think is quite interesting actually. you're saying instead of looking at exams as the test of the child's ability, why aren't we viewing them as a test of the teacher's ability? i think that's a very fair point. oh, they wouldn't he— fair point. oh, they wouldn't hhhe rher. — fair point. oh, they wouldn't like that. well— fair point. oh, they wouldn't like that. well it— ” oh, they wouldn't like that. well it takes you horo— like that. well it takes you hhro rhe— like that. well it takes you into the whole— like that. well it takes you into the whole ofsted conversation - into the whole ofsted conversation it? but conversation, doesn't it? but her— conversation, doesn't it? but her he— conversation, doesn't it? but that is conversation for that is a conversation for another because another day, everybody. because suella she has been suella braverman she has been speaking out again . she's saying speaking out again. she's saying that this mad drive for so—called multiculturalism . they so—called multiculturalism. they it that who us achievement.

everybody it's a tongue twister for me that word for some reason anyway. she's basically saying that it anyway. she's basically saying thatitis anyway. she's basically saying that it is a recipe for disaster . do you agree? i can i hear wher— . do you agree? i can i hear wher ehe— . do you agree? i can i hear wher ehe eewe— . do you agree? i can i hear what she says as— . do you agree? i can i hear what she says as as- jr1:r r?9”r1:;r1:;7’ i can i hear what she says as as they say. her— what she says as as they say. her h— what she says as as they say. her h rhhhh— what she says as as they say. but i think she— what she says as as they say. but i think she was politically ill but i think she was politically hhh gdhded— but i think she was politically hhh gwhded ro— but i think she was politically ill guided to do— but i think she was politically ill guided to do that because you— ill guided to do that because you eh— ill guided to do that because you wow— ill guided to do that because you can you can— ill guided to do that because you can you can attack, you can wow— you can you can attack, you can you eh— you can you can attack, you can you can criticise— you can you can attack, you can you can criticise identity oohhhhoe— you can criticise identity politics. the— you can criticise identity politics. the best way to orhrhohee — politics. the best way to criticise being - politics. the best way to criticise being identity hohhrhoe— criticise being identity politics and - criticise being identity politics and multicultural ism is politics and multicultural ism he ro— politics and multicultural ism he do rehe— politics and multicultural ism is to take the— politics and multicultural ism is to take the mickey out of it. and— is to take the mickey out of it. and he— is to take the mickey out of it. and do hedgh— is to take the mickey out of it. and to laugh at— is to take the mickey out of it. and to laugh at it.— is to take the mickey out of it. and to laugh at it. but suella eodhded— and to laugh at it. but suella eodhded e— and to laugh at it. but suella sounded a bit— and to laugh at it. but suella sounded a bit cross yesterday ehd— sounded a bit cross yesterday end he— sounded a bit cross yesterday end he he— sounded a bit cross yesterday and this is not— sounded a bit cross yesterday and this is not the way forward. if and this is not the way forward. h-eewhhg— and this is not the way forward. h-eewhhg we- and this is not the way forward. if-saying we right- if she was saying we right whhgere— if she was saying we right wingers, she's— if she was saying we right wingers, she's saying are ohrhrhherho— wingers, she's saying are optimistic and- wingers, she's saying are optimistic and the are optimistic and the lefties are all pessimists_ optimistic and the lefties are all pessimists .— optimistic and the lefties are all pessimists . but she sounded all pessimists. but she sounded oeeehrhherho— all pessimists. but she sounded pessimistic-she- pessimistic about it. she eodhded— sounded cross and she should eodhd— sounded cross and she should eowhd hehhher— sounded cross and she should sound happier and more amused by it sound happier and more amused by hr ehd— sound happier and more amused by hr end her— sound happier and more amused by hr end her eorr— sound happier and more amused by it and just sort of— sound happier and more amused by it and just sort of take the rehe— it and just sort of take the rehe rhe— it and just sort of take the take the rise— it and just sort of take the take the rise out of it. but rheo— take the rise out of it. but her do— take the rise out of it. but her do you— take the rise out of it. but then do you think an element of thatis then do you think an element of that is perhaps because instead of presenting the thought process and the vision, what's happening is that you're coming from a position of constantly being attacked. there was god knows, oh, yeah, yeah. she gets being attacked. there was god knotgetsh, yeah, yeah. she gets being attacked. there was god knotgets allieah, yeah. she gets being attacked. there was god knotgets all sorts yeah. she gets being attacked. there was god knotgets all sorts oflh. she gets being attacked. there was god knotgets all sorts of stuff e gets she gets all sorts of stuff thrown that's what

thrown at her. that's what i mean. maybe you're mean. so maybe what you're picking is sense of more picking up on is a sense of more kind of feeling like i'm defending before i've even opened my trap. if you are erehdhhg— opened my trap. if you are standing for— opened my trap. if you are standing for public- if you are standing for public election, wow-we— standing for public election, wow-we gor— standing for public election, wow-we gor ro— standing for public election, you've got to look as though you he— you've got to look as though you hhhe rhe— you've got to look as though you like the country— you've got to look as though you like the country you're trying to like the country you're trying ro—h— like the country you're trying ro—h-worrhedi to govern. and i just worried i rheeh—h- to govern. and i just worried i. mean,_| completely mean, even though i completely egree— mean, even though i completely egee-ehow— mean, even though i completely. agree-about-madness agree with her about the madness of agree with her about the madness or-oohhrhoe— agree with her about the madness of-politics and— agree with her about the madness of-politics and all- agree with her about the madness of politics and all the of identity politics and all the whey— of identity politics and all the honey or— of identity politics and all the honey or her— of identity politics and all the lunacy of not being able to say wherher— lunacy of not being able to say whether what— lunacy of not being able to say whether what a _ lunacy of not being able to say whether what a woman is, i just rhhhh— whether what a woman is, i just rhhhh-gor— whether what a woman is, i just rhhhh-gor ro— whether what a woman is, i just think-got to sound- whether what a woman is, i just think got to sound a bit think you've got to sound a bit more—ehh- think you've got to sound a bit more—bit more- think you've got to sound a bit more bit more laid more light and a bit more laid heoh— more light and a bit more laid heoh .— more light and a bit more laid heoh -rhore— more light and a bit more laid back ,-more light- more light and a bit more laid back , more light and laid back, a bit more light and laid heoh — back, a bit more light and laid back. michael,— back, a bit more light and laid back. michael, what- back, a bit more light and laid back. t r:r1:r back. michael, what do you make to her? i forgive me. i just briefly want to put on record because think there bit because i think there was a bit of teacher bashing. of implicit teacher bashing. i did a secondary school did work in a secondary school as a teaching assistant for a yeah as a teaching assistant for a year. i considering becoming year. i was considering becoming a like, they work a teacher. i was like, they work way i became way too hard. so i became a journalist instead. they get terrific. - it's- terrific. terrific. it's important- terrific. terrific. it's . important-that terrific. terrific. it's- important-that on important to have that on hehehohe— important to have that on pensions and— important to have that on pensions and novara on the gdeerhoh— pensions and novara on the- question-braverman. i question of suella braverman. i heed—gooerhohl mean, whenever this question of multiculturalism up, i'm multiculturalism comes up, i'm sort of obsessing about my childhood which is childhood on this show, which is a bizarre. but a little bit bizarre. but i never take the debate too seriously. of the seriously. i live in one of the most places in the most multicultural places in the country hackney. country in hackney. i was brought the most

brought up in one of the most multicultural places in the country in waltham forest. it was school was great, you know, at school we taught we we were never taught that we should be ashamed of our country, sing country, but we did sing songs about diwali, about easter, christmas, diwali, eid you i've always found eid you know, i've always found it incredibly enriching. it just incredibly enriching. the has always the debate has always been a little bit confusing. and actually works little bit confusing. and actually .works in - . . t 1“9 and actually works in many little bit confusing. and- actually .works in many ways. actually it works in many ways. as actually it works in many ways. de-oeh— actually it works in many ways. de-oeh-hw— actually it works in many ways. as - can - by suella - actually it works in many ways. as can by suella being as you can see by suella being ehd— as you can see by suella being ehd hdehh— as you can see by suella being and rishi sunak— as you can see by suella being and rishi sunak being in such senior positions.— and rishi sunak being in such senior positions. but where it goee— senior positions. but where it goee wrong— senior positions. but where it goee wrohg .— senior positions. but where it goee wrohg . h— senior positions. but where it goes wrong, i think is where the oorhrhdhhrhee— goes wrong, i think is where the communities start— goes wrong, i think is where the communities start being represented— communities start being represented by professional grhewehoe— represented by professional grievance groups who try to hem— grievance groups who try to hherhh ee— grievance groups who try to instil some sort— grievance groups who try to instil some sort of sense of grwrhohheee— instil some sort of sense of grwrhhhheee ehd— instil some sort of sense of grumpiness and no can do . and grumpiness and no can do. and it's grumpiness and no can do. and do here— grumpiness and no can do. and it's that's when _ grumpiness and no can do. and it's that's when and the that's when— it's that's when and the that's when reorde— it's that's when and the that's when people stop— it's that's when and the that's when people stop assimilate and heoorhhhg— when people stop assimilate and heoorhhhg herr— when people stop assimilate and heoorhhhg here or— when people stop assimilate and becoming part of a— when people stop assimilate and becoming part of a single oommwrhhw— becoming part of a single community. and when they sort of rerreer— community. and when they sort of rerreer hhro — community. and when they sort of retreat into their— community. and when they sort of retreat into their silos as as odhrdree— retreat into their silos as as odhrdree .— retreat into their silos as as cultures , then— retreat into their silos as as cultures , then that's when cultures, then that's when i worry. — cultures, then that's when i work. and — cultures, then that's when i work. and hr— cultures, then that's when i worry. and it becomes less oohdohdwe— worry. and it becomes less conducive to _ worry. and it becomes less conducive to the good. but on he— conducive to the good. but on he whore.— conducive to the good. but on he whohe. h— conducive to the good. but on the whole, i think— conducive to the good. but on the whole, i think this country is the whole, i think this country he erhezhhghw— the whole, i think this country is amazingly successful, a happy gheee— is amazingly successful, a happy oheoe ro— is amazingly successful, a happy gheee do he.— is amazingly successful, a happy place to be. and— is amazingly successful, a happy place to be. and if— is amazingly successful, a happy place to be. and if you go to he— place to be. and if you go to he sheree— place to be. and if you go to the states and— place to be. and if you go to the states and you see the whhehhhheee— the states and you see the whhehhhheee .— the states and you see the unhappiness , the race, unhappiness, the race, unhappiness- unhappiness, the race, unhappiness there, you think ,

unhappiness there, you think, hhhrhew— unhappiness there, you think, blimeyr wher— unhappiness there, you think, blimey, what are we complaining ehodw—h— blimey, what are we complaining about?_| would- blimey, what are we complaining about?_| would say. about? yeah and i would say actually this country gets about? yeah and i would say actunfair this country gets about? yeah and i would say actunfair bashing country gets about? yeah and i would say actunfair bashing because jets about? yeah and i would say actunfair bashing because itts an unfair bashing because it bashes itself. yeah, but if you were, i don't know, an alien that was beamed down when all of a you would hear this a sudden you would hear this country being called into traditional racism , traditional racism, institutionally racist, misogynistic , this, that and the misogynistic, this, that and the other. that's the sort of professional grievance gangs doing that. those criticisms come relentlessly and come relentlessly. and i know what you about we what you say about london. we sit here having this conversation, but london is almost different world to almost like a different world to so many other parts of the country. it is by definition , country. it is by definition, very, very diverse. it's a place that a lot of people gravitate to . but there are a lot of to. but there are a lot of communities, a lot of towns, cities, up and down cities, whatever, up and down the that we're not that the country that we're not that diverse, actually. then diverse, actually. and then what's and it seems what's happened is and it seems to really to have happened really, really quickly, there's just been quickly, that there's just been so much change in those areas and there's local people look back, perhaps and think, well, that doesn't feel like the city that doesn't feel like the city that i grew up in or loved or whatever. well, the home secretary yesterday was making

trying to make the point that it doesn't people doesn't work when people try to protect a cultural group in for instance, the grooming gangs controversy and that that that is bad when people feel because of political correctness they can't be equal in their approach in the law or demanding in imposing the law or demanding standards. so i mean, there in imposing the law or demanding standards . so i mean, there were standards. so i mean, there were nuances in suella— :: so i mean, there were nuances in suella braverman eoeeoh— nuances in suella braverman eheeoh whhoh— nuances in suella braverman speech, which are perhaps ehhghrhw— speech, which are perhaps ehhghrhw deer— speech, which are perhaps slightly lost in— speech, which are perhaps slightly lost in some of the coverage today. �*jfrorz4. slightly lost in some of the coverage today. well, i think the my problem with what she said, i mean, i'm sure there were problems were a bunch of problems with what she said from my perspective speech. but perspective in her speech. but the one stood out to perspective in her speech. but the one-stood out to me. perspective in her speech. buti the one-stood out to me is the one that stood out to me is ehe— the one that stood out to me is ehe eorr— the one that stood out to me is ehe eorrleehd— the one that stood out to me is she sort-said for— she sort of said for multiculturalism what multiculturalism to work, what wehe—— multiculturalism to work, what we—helwew- we have to do is be very proud of we have to do is be very proud or-oodhrw— we have to do is be very proud or-oodhrrw ehd— we have to do is be very proud of country and venerate our of our country and venerate our hherorw— of our country and venerate our hherorw-gor— of our country and venerate our hherorw-gor ho- of our country and venerate our history. got no problem history. now i've got no problem whrh— history. now i've got no problem whrh reorde— history. now i've got no problem whrh heohhe—or- history. now i've got no problem with people of their with people being proud of their oodhrw—rhehr- country and venerating their hherorw— country and venerating theiri hherorw—oeee history, but it wasn't the case rher— history, but it wasn't the case rher-orhrhew- history, but it wasn't the case that primary school and my that in my primary school and my eeoohdew— that in my primary school and my secondary school,— that in my primary school and my secondary school, came secondary school, we all came rogerher— secondary school, we all came rogerher ro— secondary school, we all came together to think— secondary school, we all came together to think about how oreer—hhl together to think about howl greer—hr rhe great britain had been in the or— great britain had been in the or ehe— great britain had been in the war. or she _to- great britain had been in the. war. or she _to-about war. or she wants to talk about abolishing—we. war. or she wants to talk aboutl abolishing—we just abolishing slavery. what we just talked— abolishing slavery. what we just tatkelee— abolishing slavery. what we just talked.we sung— abolishing slavery. what we just talked we sung songs about, cultures. we sung songs about, i'd, cultures. we sung songs about, muse»— cultures. we sung songs about, muse» songs— i'd, as i say, songs about diwali— i'd, as i say, songs about diwali _well,| i'd, as i say, songs about. diwali _well, we diwali songs about well, we chasm.— diwali songs about well, we christmas-was- diwali songs about well, we christmas-was was christmas. and that was that was fine.— christmas. and that was that was fine-lseems— christmas. and that was that was fine..seems like— christmas. and that was that was fine. seems like she's fine. it seems like she's somewhat— fine. it seems like she's somewhat overthinking songs fine. it seems like she's so the (hat overthinking songs fine. it seems like she's so the (hat 0\ifthinking songs fine. it seems like she's so the (hat 0\if you king songs fine. it seems like she's

so the (hat 0\if you want. songs fine. it seems like she's so the (hat 0\if you want. wings in the break if you want. i've got— in the break if you want. i've got .— in the break if you want. i've got . few— in the break if you want. i've got o tow songs— in the break if you want. i've got a few songs that- in the break if you want. i've got a few songs that i- in the break if you want. i've got a few songs that i can sing that's i've time for. that's all i've got time for. thank for your thank you, chaps, for your company studio. thanks company in the studio. thanks at home. farage. up next. home. nigel farage. up next. hello there. welcome to our totoot— hello there. welcome to our totoot ot— hello there. welcome to our latest gb news— stzirtzi; welcome to our latest gb news weather stifti; welcome to our latest gb news weather forecast. i'm latest gb news weather forecast. t-m oreg— latest gb news weather forecast. i'm greg dewhurst._ latest gb news weather forecast. i'm greg dewhurst. well sunny oootto— i'm greg dewhurst. well sunny spout-tho— i'm greg dewhurst. well sunny spells-the next— i'm greg dewhurst. well sunny spells the next few days , spells over the next few days, there— spells over the next few days, there to— spells over the next few days, there to tho— spells over the next few days, there is the .of_ spells over the next few days, there is the of some rain there is the risk of some rain in there is the risk of some rain to too— there is the risk of some rain in the forecast,— there is the risk of some rain in the forecast, largely ottoottog — in the forecast, largely affecting the - in the forecast, largely affecting the north and northwest— affecting the north and northwest of - affecting the north and northwest of the uk at times. toottog— northwest of the uk at times. toottog-ttggot- northwest of the uk at times. looking bigger picture, looking at the bigger picture, ttgt— looking at the bigger picture, ttgto pressure— looking at the bigger picture, high pressure holds keeping high pressure holds on keeping moot— high pressure holds on keeping most weather— high pressure holds on keeping most weather systems at bay . but most weather systems at bay. but just most weather systems at bay. but toot totoo— most weather systems at bay. but toot oottoo toot— most weather systems at bay. but just notice they will— most weather systems at bay. but just notice they will scoot tho— just notice they will scoot across the far— just notice they will scoot across the far north at times. ttto— across the far north at times. this weather— across the far north at times. this weather front perhaps otottng— this weather front perhaps sinking-further- this weather front perhaps sinking further south sinking a little further south by sinking a little further south to totoo,— sinking a little further south by friday, tuesday ends on a gotot— by friday, tuesday ends on a gotot note.— by friday, tuesday ends on a quiet note. plenty of clear oootto— quiet note. plenty of clear spots to— quiet note. plenty of clear spells to end _ quiet note. plenty of clear spells to end the day, perhaps toot— spells to end the day, perhaps toot o— spells to end the day, perhaps toot o tow— spells to end the day, perhaps just a few lingering showers tomato,— just a few lingering showers initially, but— just a few lingering showers initially, but overnight, it shooto— initially, but overnight, it ottoott to— initially, but overnight, it should be largely dry. and with toot— should be largely dry. and with that ttgt— should be largely dry. and with that high pressure around and ttgtt— that high pressure around and ttgtot wtnto— that high pressure around and light winds, we— that high pressure around and light winds, we could just see a tow— light winds, we could just see a tow mtot— light winds, we could just see a tow mtot ont— light winds, we could just see a few mist and fog— light winds, we could just see a few mist and fog patches. and otter— few mist and fog patches. and onto the— few mist and fog patches. and under the clear— few mist and fog patches. and under the clear skies turning gotte— under the clear skies turning gotto oottty. — under the clear skies turning quite chilly. temperatures mid otogto—on- single figures, perhaps an toototot— single figures, perhaps an isolated touch— single figures, perhaps an isolated touch of grass, frost to start— isolated touch of grass, frost to start wednesday morning. but toot— to start wednesday morning. but that moons— to start wednesday morning. but that means sunny— to start wednesday morning. but that means sunny spells, though it that means sunny spells, though ttlotoottot— that means sunny spells, though itlcloudier across— that means sunny spells, though it cloudier across eastern it is cloudier across eastern tttot— it is cloudier across eastern areas. first thing. but the otoot— areas. first thing. but the

cloud tends— areas. first thing. but the cloud tends to - areas. first thing. but the cloud tends to lift and break a ttttto— cloud tends to lift and break a ttttto, ootoooo— cloud tends to lift and break a little, perhaps just enough for a little, perhaps just enough for o tow— little, perhaps just enough for o tow ttgtt— little, perhaps just enough for a few light showers across tentat— a few light showers across central southern england for the afternoon— central southern england for the afternoon .— central southern england for the afternoon . and— central southern england for the afternoon . and then just one of afternoon. and then just one of those— afternoon. and then just one of those weather— afternoon. and then just one of those weather fronts skirting the those weather fronts skirting ttto tot— those weather fronts skirting the far north _ those weather fronts skirting the far north of— those weather fronts skirting the far north of scotland in between— the far north of scotland in between where _ the far north of scotland in between where we get the sunny oootto— between where we get the sunny spells, temperatures lifting totgoty— spells, temperatures lifting totgoty-mtt— spells, temperatures lifting largely - mid to - spells, temperatures lifting largely mid to high teens , largely the mid to high teens, ootoooo— largely the mid to high teens, perhaps-to,— largely the mid to high teens, perhaps 20, across perhaps 19 or 20, across southern— perhaps 19 or 20, across southern parts- perhaps 19 or 20, across southern parts of england and ttotoo— southern parts of england and wotoo toto— southern parts of england and wales into the— southern parts of england and wales into the evening time on wednesday. — wales into the evening time on wednesday. the— wales into the evening time on wednesday. the cloud starts to mott— wednesday. the cloud starts to root toot— wednesday. the cloud starts to melt away again.— wednesday. the cloud starts to melt away again. we see a totgoty— melt away again. we see a totgoty try— melt away again. we see a largely dry night, still some g..— largely dry night, still some ont— largely dry night, still some rain and drizzle— largely dry night, still some rain and drizzle affecting tentat— rain and drizzle affecting central and— rain and drizzle affecting central and northern parts of soottont.— central and northern parts of scotland. but— central and northern parts of scotland. but generally light ont— scotland. but generally light and patchy— scotland. but generally light and oototoy to— scotland. but generally light and patchy in nature . few mist and patchy in nature. few mist ont— and patchy in nature. few mist tot tog— and patchy in nature. few mist and fog patches— and patchy in nature. few mist and fog patches again developing towotto— and fog patches again developing towards the— and fog patches again developing towards the end— and fog patches again developing towards the end of— and fog patches again developing towards the end of the night and temperatures— towards the end of the night and temperatures under those clear oootto— temperatures under those clear oootto perhaps— temperatures under those clear spells, perhaps dipping into otogto— spells, perhaps dipping into single figures. _ spells, perhaps dipping into single figures. so a dry start for single figures. so a dry start to moot— single figures. so a dry start to moot ot— single figures. so a dry start for most of us.— single figures. so a dry start for most of us. on thursday momtog. — for most of us. on thursday momtog. a— for most of us. on thursday momtog. a grey— for most of us. on thursday morning. a grey start in places , tot— morning. a grey start in places , tout the— morning. a grey start in places , but the sunshine— morning. a grey start in places , but the sunshine soon reappears— , but the sunshine soon reappears and there'll be plenty of try— reappears and there'll be plenty of try weather— reappears and there'll be plenty of dry weather to _ reappears and there'll be plenty of dry weather to come for many, though— of dry weather to come for many, even though the— of dry weather to come for many, even though the sun might be a bit even though the sun might be a ttt hazy— even though the sun might be a ttt hazy ot— even though the sun might be a bit hazy at times. _ even though the sun might be a bit hazy at times. but a weak weather— bit hazy at times. but a weak weather front— bit hazy at times. but a weak weather front will move into torto— weather front will move into parts-northern— weather front will move into parts northern ireland, parts of northern ireland, woootm— parts of northern ireland,i parts of northern ireland,- western_a few western scotland to give a few ootoomoo— western scotland to give a few ootoomoo-mom— western scotland to give a few splashes-here and- western scotland to give a few splashes here and again splashes of rain here and again tomoomtmoo— splashes of rain here and again temperatures teens low temperatures high teens to low zeo—

temperatures high teens to low 205 ,— temperatures high teens to low zoo , oomooo— temperatures high teens to low zoo , oomooo o— temperatures high teens to low 20s , perhaps a few more showers 20s, perhaps a few more showers tomo— 20s, perhaps a few more showers oomt ”mayt— 20s, perhaps a few more showers around friday, but— 20s, perhaps a few more showers around friday, but saturday is tootmg— around friday, but saturday is tootmg-omt— around friday, but saturday is looking and temperatures looking dry and temperatures ogotm— looking dry and temperatures ogotm-toomo— looking dry and temperatures again, teens, low 20s .

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