nigel thank polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. good— polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. good evening.— polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. good evening. the- m 3: nigel thank you. good evening. the top story tonight— you. good evening. the top story tonight on— you. good evening. the top story tontgtt on et— you. good evening. the top story tonight on gb news, the prime mtntstet-s— tonight on gb news, the prime minister's office— tonight on gb news, the prime minister's office has just said the tu— minister's office has just said the tu ant— minister's office has just said the eu and the— minister's office has just said the eu and the uk have agreed to strengthen— the eu and the uk have agreed to strengthen their— the eu and the uk have agreed to strengthen their cooperation on mtgtttton— strengthen their cooperation on mtgtttttn ant— strengthen their cooperation on migration and the threat posed by tusstt. — migration and the threat posed by russia. rishi_ migration and the threat posed by russia. rishi sunak and the dutch— by russia. rishi sunak and the dutch thhe— by russia. rishi sunak and the dutch prime minister mark rutte have— dutch prime minister mark rutte have agreed— dutch prime minister mark rutte have agreed to— dutch prime minister mark rutte have agreed to work to build an international— have agreed to work to build an international coalition to httttte— international coalition to provide ukraine with combat air capthtttttet— provide ukraine with combat air capabilities, supporting with evehththg— capabilities, supporting with everything from training to hhthhhg— everything from training to procuring f—16_ everything from training to procuring f—16 jets. they met at the couhttt— procuring f—16 jets. they met at the council of— procuring f—16 jets. they met at the council of europe summit in ttettht— the council of europe summit in hettht today.— the council of europe summit in iceland today, where mr sunak has— iceland today, where mr sunak has teth— iceland today, where mr sunak has been addressing the council and styhg— has been addressing the council and styhg the— has been addressing the council and saying the world's most vuthehhte— and saying the world's most vulnerable people have been paying— vulnerable people have been htyhg the— vulnerable people have been paying the price— vulnerable people have been paying the price for unlawful htgttttth— paying the price for unlawful htgttttth .— paying the price for unlawful migration . and— paying the price for unlawful migration . and that's as the migration. and that's as the government— migration. and that's as the government tries to implement its government tries to implement tts wh— government tries to implement its own illegal— government tries to implement its own illegal migration bill, whtth— its own illegal migration bill, whtth h— its own illegal migration bill, which is currently going through the house— which is currently going through the house et— which is currently going through the house of lords. as the new taw— the house of lords. as the new tew ethe— the house of lords. as the new tew te— the house of lords. as the new law aims to tackle— the house of lords. as the new law aims to tackle small boat eeeethee— law aims to tackle small boat crossings,-asylum - crossings, sending asylum eeeete— crossings, sending asylum seekers back— crossings, sending asylum seekers back home or to a third country— seekers back home or to a third country etch— seekers back home or to a third country such rwanda , uk country such as rwanda, uk shoute— country such as rwanda, uk eheuttlet—

country such as rwanda, uk should i at the _ country such as rwanda, uk should at the heart of should be at the heart of hutthg— should be at the heart of hutthg thte— should be at the heart of putting this agenda on the international— putting this agenda on the international minds of different peehte— international minds of different heepte ent— international minds of different people and institutions. that's what— people and institutions. that's what wett— people and institutions. that's what we-tt te— people and institutions. that's what we'll be doing today, talking to countries about talking to other countries about cooperation, to cooperation, but also talking to the european court. now, part of my approach is to put new laws in place in the uk. that's our stop the boats bill. it's novel, it's ambitious, but i believe it is compliant with our international obligations. but at same time, we want to at the same time, we want to make sure that the european court conducting court is always conducting itself in a way which is fair , itself in a way which is fair, which is effective, which is transparent , but . well, in other transparent, but. well, in other thte— transparent, but. well, in other news this evening— transparent, but. well, in other news this evening ,_ transparent, but. well, in other news this evening , two- ”c: well, in other news this evening , two poultry news this evening, two poultry wetetet— news this evening, two poultry he h— news this evening, two poultry workers in england have tested heettwe— workers in england have tested heettwe tet— workers in england have tested positive for bird— workers in england have tested positive for bird flu, both cases are believed to be linked to the— cases are believed to be linked to the ethe— cases are believed to be linked to the same farm,— cases are believed to be linked to the same farm, but there are no to the same farm, but there are he etehe— to the same farm, but there are he etghe wet— to the same farm, but there are he etghe wet et— to the same farm, but there are no signs yet of human to human tehehteeteh— no signs yet of human to human transmission test— no signs yet of human to human transmission test results show et— transmission test results show et the— transmission test results show one of the workers infected is thew— one of the workers infected is they te— one of the workers infected is likely to have— one of the workers infected is likely to have been contaminated ettet— likely to have been contaminated ettet hhethe— likely to have been contaminated after inhaling materials on the term.— after inhaling materials on the term. tt-e— after inhaling materials on the farm. it's unclear— after inhaling materials on the farm. it's unclear if the second hee— farm. it's unclear if the second person was contaminated covid ettet— person was contaminated covid after inhalation— person was contaminated covid after inhalation or— person was contaminated covid after inhalation or whether or not after inhalation or whether or hot thew— after inhalation or whether or not they — after inhalation or whether or not they were just infected by

tewehhe — not they were just infected by tewehhe the— not they were just infected by touching the poultry. both hee— touching the poultry. both workers are _ touching the poultry. both workers are now testing negative and workers are now testing negative the the— workers are now testing negative the the wh— workers are now testing negative and the uk health— workers are now testing negative and the uk health security agency— and the uk health security agency eett— and the uk health security agency said the cases do not change— agency said the cases do not change the— agency said the cases do not change the level— agency said the cases do not change the level of risk to human— change the level of risk to human health,— change the level of risk to human health, which remains very low human health, which remains very tew te— human health, which remains very tew to the— human health, which remains very low to the general— human health, which remains very low to the general populace . low to the general populace. aetheh— low to the general populace. heteh hw— low to the general populace. action now three— low to the general populace. action now three men who ewhhttet— action now three men who supplied fake— action now three men who supplied fake passports to ehhhete— supplied fake passports to criminals have— supplied fake passports to criminals have been jailed . criminals have been jailed. hhthehw— criminals have been jailed. anthony beard.— criminals have been jailed. anthony beard. christopher btec and anthony beard. christopher btec the when— anthony beard. christopher btec and alan thompson helped murderers and— and alan thompson helped murderers and drug dealers evade thetee— murderers and drug dealers evade twettee ee— murderers and drug dealers evade justice as beard,— murderers and drug dealers evade justice as beard, who paid vulnerable— justice as beard, who paid vulnerable people for their exphet— vulnerable people for their expired documents, was sentenced to expired documents, was sentenced te eh— expired documents, was sentenced to eh wette— expired documents, was sentenced to eh weete ent— expired documents, was sentenced to six years and eight months in when— to six years and eight months in when .— to six years and eight months in when . hte— to six years and eight months in prison . his accomplices will prison. his accomplices will eewe— prison. his accomplices will eewe e— prison. his accomplices will serve a combined term of ii wetne— serve a combined term of ii weene ee— serve a combined term of ii weene ee teeex— serve a combined term of 11 years as essex police is investigating- years as essex police is investigating an allegation of serious sexual— investigating an allegation of serious sexual assault against the setthwtt— serious sexual assault against the solihull mp— serious sexual assault against the solihull mp julian knight. it the solihull mp julian knight. tt tettewe— the solihull mp julian knight. tt tettewe e— the solihull mp julian knight. it follows a referral by seettent— it follows a referral by scotland yard and comes after the metropolitan _ scotland yard and comes after the metropolitan police dropped its investigation— the metropolitan police dropped its investigation into a claim then— its investigation into a claim than n— its investigation into a claim more than a month ago . mr more than a month ago. mr hnteht— more than a month ago. mr knight whe— more than a month ago. mr knight, who was— more than a month ago. mr knight, who was stripped of the ceneewetwe— knight, who was stripped of the conservative party— knight, who was stripped of the conservative party whip, has tenet— conservative party whip, has tentet whet— conservative party whip, has denied what he— conservative party whip, has denied what he described as a tetee— denied what he described as a the the— denied what he described as a false and malicious accusation. he false and malicious accusation.

he teeen-t— false and malicious accusation. he doesn't plan— false and malicious accusation. he doesn't plan to— false and malicious accusation. he doesn't plan to run at the next— he doesn't plan to run at the next election— he doesn't plan to run at the next election ._ he doesn't plan to run at the next election . and two members next election. and two members of next election. and two members et en— next election. and two members of an organised— next election. and two members of an organised crime group who enwggtet— of an organised crime group who enwggtet ht— of an organised crime group who smuggled 41 migrants into the uk newe— smuggled 41 migrants into the uk have teen— smuggled 41 migrants into the uk have been jailed.— smuggled 41 migrants into the uk have been jailed. today, mohammed— have been jailed. today, mohammed awad was sentenced tetew— mohammed awad was sentenced tetew te— mohammed awad was sentenced tetew te even— mohammed awad was sentenced today to over two _ mohammed awad was sentenced today to over two and a half wetne— today to over two and a half weene tn— today to over two and a half years in prison— today to over two and a half years in prison at- today to over two and a half years in prison at a belfast eewt— years in prison at a belfast eewt. hte— years in prison at a belfast court. his partner , ahmed omar, court. his partner, ahmed omar, jailed— court. his partner, ahmed omar, jailed ten— court. his partner, ahmed omar, was jailed for two— court. his partner, ahmed omar, was jailed for two years back in wench— was jailed for two years back in when .— was jailed for two years back in when . an— was jailed for two years back in march . an investigation by the march. an investigation by the heme— march. an investigation by the heme ethe— march. an investigation by the home office found both men theteet— home office found both men charged migrants £5,000 per journev-— charged migrants £5,000 per journey- neth— charged migrants £5,000 per journey. both pleaded guilty to eeetettne— journey. both pleaded guilty to assisting unlawful immigration. vene— assisting unlawful immigration. hee we— assisting unlawful immigration. hee we te— assisting unlawful immigration. you're up to date— assisting unlawful immigration. you're up to date on tv online heht — you're up to date on tv online heht tethe— you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and— you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune—in app. thte— dab+ radio and the tune—in app. thte te— dab+ radio and the tune—in app. thte te eh— dab+ radio and the tune—in app. this is gb news.— dab+ radio and the tune—in app. this is gb news. britain's news . chennet— . channel iwhat?. . channel what? amazingly, it's almost seven years that seven years since that referendum in which the great british public voted leave british public voted to leave the european what was it the european union. what was it about? what was it for? well, of

course, primarily it was about us being back in control of our own laws and our own borders. but there were 1 or 2 expectations that i think were quite realistic. like anybody working in small business expected, the rule book to get simpler. those working in industries like fishing thought the whole thing would become less burdensome . and actually less burdensome. and actually what's happened is through british authorities in some ways we're now even more uncompetitive than we were as members of the european union. oh, and into the bargain corporation tax has just gone up by 30% in terms of the integrity of the united kingdom. what i'm afraid the windsor framework pretty much for the foreseeable future , cuts northern ireland future, cuts northern ireland off from the rest of the united kingdom. but the big one and the reason we won the referendum was that big working class vote and millions of labour voters who felt immigration into britain was completely out of control and running at to bigger number.

so that is why the turnout was higher than anybody predicted. thatis higher than anybody predicted. that is why brexit won and off the back of that, the conservatives went to the country in 2019 promising immigration controls and an australian style point system, and we all thought, ha ha, that sounds perfect . it means you're sounds perfect. it means you're going to have to have genuine skills. it means you're going to have to have your own health insurance for at least four years, not be a burden on the state. but of course the thing about a point system is it depends where you set the bar. and now define skilled and we now define skilled workers coming into britain as those who earn seven financially less than the average wage in this country. reports in today's telegraph suggesting the government is expecting in 2024 for net migration iron could soar through 1 million people. that would be over three times higher than the biggest ever year of net migration. whilst we were still members of the european union and effectively

had open borders with with another 400 million people. so we're at this point have the tories failed on brexit and i have to say, i think for millions of people who are not particularly who are not normally very political but got engagedin normally very political but got engaged in that referendum , the engaged in that referendum, the perception is that the tories have failed. i think it's hugely disappointing. i made this point last night. some are upset with me. but interestingly, sherelle jacobs , a conservative jacobs, a conservative commentator in today's telegraph, has gone further. she says brexit is now effectively dead. have the tories failed on brexit? give me your thoughts . brexit? give me your thoughts. farage at gb news .uk. well, joining me now is lord jonathan marland , a former trade envoy to marland, a former trade envoy to the prime minister. jonathan . on the prime minister. jonathan. on i know boris johnson once or twice said , oh well, it's all twice said, oh well, it's all about taking back control. it's not about numbers . but let's be not about numbers. but let's be honest , brexit voters and 2019

honest, brexit voters and 2019 conservative voters expected fewer people to come into this country, didn't they ? well, the country, didn't they? well, the whole country, didn't they? well, the whete thtne— country, didn't they? well, the whole thing is— tthzt. t: t: " c sgt? well, the whole thing is immensely frustrating.— whole thing is immensely frustrating. and, you know, no one more frustrated than you or the weteeeen— one more frustrated than you or the professor of— one more frustrated than you or the professor of brexit. yeah i thtnh— the professor of brexit. yeah i thtnh thet— the professor of brexit. yeah i thtnh thet ht— the professor of brexit. yeah i think that it being a government ntnteten— think that it being a government ntnteten new— think that it being a government minister now trying to pull the teen— minister now trying to pull the tewene et— minister now trying to pull the levers of power— minister now trying to pull the levers of power is— minister now trying to pull the levers of power is really tough . vee— levers of power is really tough he being— levers of power is really tough . you're being let— levers of power is really tough . you're being let down by most .you're being let down by most tnetttwttene— .you're being let down by most institutions in— .you're being let down by most institutions in the— .you're being let down by most institutions in the country who are institutions in the country who tethe— institutions in the country who tetttne te— institutions in the country who are failing to run— institutions in the country who are failing to run the country weeentw— are failing to run the country properly, wilfully failing when it properly, wilfully failing when tt eennee— properly, wilfully failing when tt te— properly, wilfully failing when it comes to brexit, you can ettehttw— it comes to brexit, you can slightly think— it comes to brexit, you can slightly think ,_ it comes to brexit, you can slightly think , can you not? you slightly think, can you not? you eewtt— slightly think, can you not? you could conceive _ slightly think, can you not? you could conceive that perhaps tet-e— could conceive that perhaps the att— could conceive that perhaps the nth get— could conceive that perhaps let's all get together in the whttehett— let's all get together in the whitehall civil— let's all get together in the whitehall civil servants club the— whitehall civil servants club the teette — whitehall civil servants club and decide it— whitehall civil servants club and decide it will stop the will of and decide it will stop the will et the— and decide it will stop the will et the heeete— and decide it will stop the will of the people because we don't thtnh— of the people because we don't thtnh tt-e— of the people because we don't think it's right— of the people because we don't think it's right and you ettehttw— think it's right and you slightly feel- think it's right and you slightly feel there's that going on slightly feel there's that going en ent— slightly feel there's that going en the there— slightly feel there's that going on and there is— slightly feel there's that going on and there is real frustration. - on and there is real frustration. i suspect, on and there is real frustration. i suspect , as on and there is real— frustration. i suspect , as we've frustration. i suspect, as we've ten the— frustration. i suspect, as we've seen from the recent announcement by kemi badenoch, that announcement by kemi badenoch, thet ene— announcement by kemi badenoch, thet ehe een-t— announcement by kemi badenoch, that she can't just— announcement by kemi badenoch, that she can't just rescind theee— that she can't just rescind theee tewe— that she can't just rescind these laws ,_ that she can't just rescind these laws , that we've triumphed these laws, that we've triumphed

as these laws, that we've triumphed ee tethe— these laws, that we've triumphed ee hetne the— these laws, that we've triumphed we hetng the way— these laws, that we've triumphed as being the way out of brexit. hwt— as being the way out of brexit. hwt .— as being the way out of brexit. hwt . thtnh— as being the way out of brexit. but i think there's— as being the way out of brexit. but i think there's no point teehtne— but i think there's no point teehtne et— but i think there's no point looking at the— but i think there's no point looking at the past. as you know as looking at the past. as you know we wett— looking at the past. as you know we wett ee— looking at the past. as you know we wett ee .— looking at the past. as you know as well as i do,— looking at the past. as you know as well as i do, we— looking at the past. as you know as well as i do, we must look to the— as well as i do, we must look to the twtwe— as well as i do, we must look to the future. a&e_ as well as i do, we must look to the future. a&e well, yes, but tenethen — the future. a&e well, yes, but tenethen tt-e— the future. a&e well, yes, but jonathan, it's seven years since thet— jonathan, it's seven years since that referendum. _ jonathan, it's seven years since that referendum. c ” that referendum. it's a fair mement— that referendum. it's a fair moment to take stock. now, nigel, you're not— now, nigel, you're not wrong. i never theegnee— nigel, you're not wrong. i never eteegee wtth— nigel, you're not wrong. i never disagree with you— nigel, you're not wrong. i never disagree with you on anything, but,— disagree with you on anything, hwt. wett— disagree with you on anything, hwt. well, n— disagree with you on anything, but, well, a few— disagree with you on anything, but, well, a few things i theeenee— but, well, a few things i disagree with- but, well, a few things i disagree with you on, on this pentewtw— disagree with you on, on this panther-.— disagree with you on, on this pentewtw-. .- disagree with you on, on this particular . i defer to particular thing. i defer to yew.— particular thing. i defer to yew-the- particular thing. i defer to wew.-the-tel particular thing. i defer to. you.-the-is there you. i mean, the fact is there newe— you. i mean, the fact is there have-tete— you. i mean, the fact is there have -tete et— you. i mean, the fact is there have lots of different have been lots of different heetwtnte— headwinds. the main headwinds newe— headwinds. the main headwinds have—entweew- have been, i think, obduracy wtthtn— have been, i think, obduracy wtthtn the— have been, i think, obduracy within the levers of government, wtthtn— within the levers of government, wtthtn the— within the levers of government, within the blob,— within the levers of government, within the blob, as— within the levers of government, within the blob, as it's called . ent— within the blob, as it's called . ent .— within the blob, as it's called . ent . thtnh— within the blob, as it's called , and i think also— within the blob, as it's called , and i think also covid. but tet-e— , and i think also covid. but the enn— , and i think also covid. but the .— , and i think also covid. but let's can i can— , and i think also covid. but let's can i can i— , and i think also covid. but let's can i can i just accept thet— let's can i can i just accept that eetnte — let's can i can i just accept that point? let- let's can i can i just accept that point? ff that point? let me accept that point. but strong government with strong leadership would overcome that. it can to a tenth— overcome that. it can to a certain extent. _ overcome that. it can to a certain extent. but- overcome that. it can to a certain extent. but if- f it can to a certain extent. but if the tee— certain extent. but if the forces are all— certain extent. but if the forces are all aligned against you— forces are all aligned against wew ent— forces are all aligned against you the twe— forces are all aligned against you and i've been in government the— you and i've been in government the .— you and i've been in government the . ennenenh— you and i've been in government and i remember when we came in the ceetttten— and i remember when we came in the ceetttten .— and i remember when we came in the coalition, i was— and i remember when we came in the coalition, i was minister for the coalition, i was minister ten energy— the coalition, i was minister ten energy ent— the coalition, i was minister for energy and climate change, we teettet— for energy and climate change, we decided we— for energy and climate change, we decided we were going to get rid we decided we were going to get ht et— we decided we were going to get ht et eeh— we decided we were going to get ht et eehe et— we decided we were going to get rid of 30% of all— we decided we were going to get rid of 30% of all the rules. the thet— rid of 30% of all the rules. the thet towe— rid of 30% of all the rules. the thet tee. te— rid of 30% of all the rules. the thet tee. te e— rid of 30% of all the rules. the first 10% is a doddle. most of then — first 10% is a doddle. most of then we— first 10% is a doddle. most of them are redundant, they're useless-then- them are redundant, they're

useless. then have to push useless. you then have to push water— useless. you then have to push weten wehttt— useless. you then have to push weten wehttt .— useless. you then have to push water uphill . okay. and more water uphill. okay. and more water— water uphill. okay. and more water whhttt— water uphill. okay. and more water uphill to— water uphill. okay. and more water uphill to persuade not entw— water uphill to persuade not enw the— water uphill to persuade not only the civil— water uphill to persuade not only the civil service that theee— only the civil service that theee-the— only the civil service that| these .the-rules only the civil service that- these .the-rules that these are the wrong rules that newe— these are the wrong rules that have teen— these are the wrong rules that have teen tn— these are the wrong rules that have been in place, but also wee— have been in place, but also we get— have been in place, but also we get te— have been in place, but also you've got to persuade parliament.— you've got to persuade parliament. so is a tough act. hwt— parliament. so is a tough act. hwt thete— parliament. so is a tough act. but that's-side.- parliament. so is a tough act. but that's side. let's look but that's one side. let's look to but that's one side. let's look te the— but that's one side. let's look to the future.— but that's one side. let's look to the future. think for to the future. i think for next— to the future. i think for next te— to the future. i think for brexit to work- to the future. i think for brexit to work , sunak has got a brexit to work, sunak has got a tent— brexit to work, sunak has got a neat eeeenwnttw. — brexit to work, sunak has got a real opportunity. he's got to get— real opportunity. he's got to get te— real opportunity. he's got to get te ghee— real opportunity. he's got to get to grips with this immigration issue, which is been hwhhttng— immigration issue, which is been hwhhttng ten— immigration issue, which is been hwhhttng ten e— immigration issue, which is been bubbling for a long time and eweeeettng— bubbling for a long time and succeeding and— bubbling for a long time and succeeding and which the civil eewtee— succeeding and which the civil eewtee we— succeeding and which the civil service are not— succeeding and which the civil service are not obstructing. the— service are not obstructing. the he— service are not obstructing. thte te pwnew— service are not obstructing. this is purely where- service are not obstructing. this is purely where they set the levels for skilled migrants to come to britain from all around the world is purely a government, not a blob decision . it's a bit of both, but let's net— . it's a bit of both, but let's net engwe— . it's a bit of both, but let's not argue about— it's a bit of both, but let's not argue about that. he's got to not argue about that. he's got te te— not argue about that. he's got to do something— not argue about that. he's got to do something about that. he's got to do something about that. he's get te— to do something about that. he's get te nt— to do something about that. he's get te he get— to do something about that. he's get te he get nt— to do something about that. he's got to rid get rid of— to do something about that. he's got to rid get rid of a lot of the— got to rid get rid of a lot of thte net— got to rid get rid of a lot of this red tape— got to rid get rid of a lot of this red tape and regulation, whteh— this red tape and regulation, when-we.- this red tape and regulation, whteh-we. te- this red tape and regulation, which us. is meaning which is killing us. is meaning the-teetng— which is killing us. is meaning the-losing jobs- which is killing us. is meaning the-losing jobs as- the city is losing jobs as wee— the city is losing jobs as you've enunciated the you've enunciated with the ttehennen — you've enunciated with the ttehennen .— you've enunciated with the fishermen , with people across fishermen, with people across the eewntw. — fishermen, with people across the country. they're up with the country. they're fed up with the— the country. they're fed up with this_ suffocatingi this regulation that suffocating the eewntw. — this regulation that suffocating the country. we've got to be 10% more competitive _ the country. we've got to be 10% more competitive than our eeneetttene— more competitive than our competitors in— more competitive than our competitors in regulation and in tax competitors in regulation and in ten the— competitors in regulation and in ten and et— competitors in regulation and in ten the at the— competitors in regulation and in tax and at the moment it's

eenetetew— tax and at the moment it's completely the— tax and at the moment it's completely the reverse . so this completely the reverse. so this eewnth— completely the reverse. so this eewnth te— completely the reverse. so this eewnth te tn— completely the reverse. so this eewntw te tn e— completely the reverse. so this country is in a very bad place. he— country is in a very bad place. he get— country is in a very bad place. he get et— country is in a very bad place. he get at the— country is in a very bad place. it's got at the lever of government - it's got at the lever of government very difficult to ewtt. — government very difficult to ewtt. wee— government very difficult to pull. you've got— government very difficult to pull. you've got an uncompetitive tax regime, pull. you've got an— uncompetitive tax regime, you've got uncompetitive tax regime, you've get an — uncompetitive tax regime, you've got an uncompetitive regulation negtne— got an uncompetitive regulation .eggme, ent— got an uncompetitive regulation regime, and you've therefore got the ettwetten— regime, and you've therefore got the situation that— regime, and you've therefore got the situation that you and i teth— the situation that you and i both remember— the situation that you and i both remember because we're a etnttw— both remember because we're a etnttw age— both remember because we're a etnttw ege ten— both remember because we're a similar age for viewers who went— similar age for viewers who went hnew— similar age for viewers who didn't know that even though he teehet— didn't know that even though he teehet ee— didn't know that even though he looked so much— didn't know that even though he looked so much younger back in the situation— looked so much younger back in the situation of— looked so much younger back in the situation of the 70s where we newe— the situation of the 70s where we have n— the situation of the 70s where we have a government that's eheeeeet— we have a government that's obsessed with— we have a government that's obsessed with process, all the tee— obsessed with process, all the tee et— obsessed with process, all the levers of government, obsessed wtth— levers of government, obsessed wtth heeee— levers of government, obsessed with process, and— levers of government, obsessed with process, and now we need delivery-— with process, and now we need tettwew. ant— with process, and now we need delivery. and until— with process, and now we need delivery. and until that is changed.— delivery. and until that is changed, the— delivery. and until that is changed, the country is in a wet— changed, the country is in a wew tt— changed, the country is in a wee tt tn— changed, the country is in a wee tt t-n e— changed, the country is in a very if i'm a red— changed, the country is in a very if i'm a red wall voter, i come from a labour voting family tnettttenettw— come from a labour voting family traditionally, but— come from a labour voting family traditionally, but i— come from a labour voting family traditionally, but i did vote wtth— traditionally, but i did vote whthlttt— traditionally, but i did vote ukip,idid vote— traditionally, but i did vote ukip, did vote leave, ukip, i did vote leave, i did we— ukip, i did vote leave, i did wete ten— ukip, i did vote leave, i did vote for boris— ukip, i did vote leave, i did vote for boris in— ukip, i did vote leave, i did vote for boris in 2019 and i teeth— vote for boris in 2019 and i really thought— vote for boris in 2019 and i really thought that pressures on hewetng— really thought that pressures on housing pressure— really thought that pressures on housing pressure was on the heetth— housing pressure was on the health service— housing pressure was on the health service as— housing pressure was on the health service as pressures on the— health service as pressures on the teete— health service as pressures on the roads and— health service as pressures on the roads and transport and hewet— the roads and transport and tnewet thet— the roads and transport and travel that much of this country et— travel that much of this country was at breaking— travel that much of this country was at breaking point because of a was at breaking point because of e eeewtetten— was at breaking point because of a population explosion. e a population explosion. it is nweh— a population explosion. it is now much worse— a population explosion. it is now much worse than it was before 2019. what's going to

make me vote tory next year? is there anything? well i think those fundamental i think rishi's five pledges are going and if he delivers on them, then i think the country as a whole will say, look , i'm up against will say, look, i'm up against starmer, a social starmer, who's a social democrat. i'm up against davey , democrat. i'm up against davey, whe-e— democrat. i'm up against davey, whe-e e— democrat. i'm up against davey, whe-e e eeetet— if i'm up against davey, who's a social democrat, and twe— who's a social democrat, and the get— who's a social democrat, and the get e— who's a social democrat, and i've got a current— who's a social democrat, and i've got a current conservative party— i've got a current conservative party whteh— i've got a current conservative henw whteh te— i've got a current conservative party which is social democrat. yest— party which is social democrat. wee twe— party which is social democrat. wee the get— party which is social democrat. wee, the get te— party which is social democrat. yes, i've got to, but at least i wtt— yes, i've got to, but at least i wttt wete— yes, i've got to, but at least i will vote for— yes, i've got to, but at least i will vote for that— yes, i've got to, but at least i will vote for that one, because he hee— will vote for that one, because he has delivered— will vote for that one, because he has delivered on those eenteee — he has delivered on those promises. and— he has delivered on those promises. and if he does, if he teee— promises. and if he does, if he teee tt— promises. and if he does, if he teee tt he— promises. and if he does, if he does if he doesn't,— promises. and if he does, if he does if he doesn't, then ehwtewetw— does if he doesn't, then obviously he— does if he doesn't, then obviously he will he will have the wheth— obviously he will he will have the wrath et— obviously he will he will have the wrath of the— obviously he will he will have the wrath of the voters and teeewettw— the wrath of the voters and deservedly so.— the wrath of the voters and deservedly so. so i think that's whet— deservedly so. so i think that's whet wttt— deservedly so. so i think that's what will happen— deservedly so. so i think that's what will happen . but this what will happen. but this eewntw— what will happen. but this eewnth te— what will happen. but this country is not— what will happen. but this country is not going to change wnttt— country is not going to change wnttt the— country is not going to change until the focus— country is not going to change until the focus is— country is not going to change until the focus is on delivery nether— until the focus is on delivery nether then— until the focus is on delivery rather than this_ until the focus is on delivery rather than this endless process thet— rather than this endless process that we— rather than this endless process that we hewe— rather than this endless process that we have become obsessed wtth— that we have become obsessed wtth e— that we have become obsessed with a somewhat— that we have become obsessed with a somewhat pessimistic tent— with a somewhat pessimistic lord, jonathan— with a somewhat pessimistic lord, jonathan marland there, but lord, jonathan marland there, hwt heneet— lord, jonathan marland there, but honest peter— lord, jonathan marland there, but honest peter edwards joins me, former editor— but honest peter edwards joins me, former editor of labourlist. wett— me, former editor of labourlist. wett. et— me, former editor of labourlist. well, of course— me, former editor of labourlist. well, of course this_ me, former editor of labourlist. well, of course this must- me, former editor of labourlist. well, of course this must sound like manna from heaven for anybody supporting the labour side of the argument, but what

would labour do about migration? well first of all, it's not manna from heaven. i mean, i think manna from heaven. i mean, i thtnh tehew— manna from heaven. i mean, i think labour wants— manna from heaven. i mean, i think labour wants the- " " i mean, i think labour wants the country to think labour wants the country te eweeeet — think labour wants the country to succeed, even— think labour wants the country to succeed, even though it was ehwtewetw— to succeed, even though it was obviously campaigning for tenth.— obviously campaigning fori remain,_tories remain, just like the tories ant— remain, just like the tories were. and that— remain, just like the tories were. and that does get tengetten— were. and that does get tengetten .— were. and that does get forgotten . that's true in terms forgotten. that's true in terms of forgotten. that's true in terms et-went— forgotten. that's true in terms et-went te— forgotten. that's true in terms of-want to pick- forgotten. that's true in terms of want to pick up on of brexit. i want to pick up on thtng— of brexit. i want to pick up on one thing before— of brexit. i want to pick up on one thing before we get kind of ntnet— one thing before we get kind of ntnet tn— one thing before we get kind of ntnet tn the— one thing before we get kind of mired in the detail, which is part— mired in the detail, which is eenleettttng— mired in the detail, which is part peddling ideological part of peddling ideological tenteetee— part of peddling ideological fantasiesinto_ part of peddling ideological fantasiesinto reality and then crashing into reality and then it's crashing into reality and then he neeeeeew— crashing into reality and then it's necessary to _ crashing into reality and then it's necessary to find a blame ttgwe. — it's necessary to find a blame ttgwe. se— it's necessary to find a blame figure. solaccept_ it's necessary to find a blame figure. so accept the result . figure. so i accept the result. hwt— figure. so i accept the result. hwt tn— figure. so i accept the result. hwt tn zen.— figure. so i accept the result. but in 2016, nigel, you said twhew— but in 2016, nigel, you said twhew we— but in 2016, nigel, you said turkey was on— but in 2016, nigel, you said turkey was on the brink of tetntng— turkey was on the brink of tetntng the— turkey was on the brink of joining the eu.— turkey was on the brink of joining the eu. yes, that joining the eu. yes, and that eent— joining the eu. yes, and that weent-- — joining the eu. yes, and that weent-- heng- joining the eu. yes, and that wasn't-. hang on. - joining the eu. yes, and that. wasn't-. hang on. they've wasn't true. hang on. they've been receiving pre—accession aid for decades. they received for two decades. they received billions of euros from the eu as proof accession aid. but that's an old argument. let's not spend too much time 20 years. and they hadnt too much time 20 years. and they hadn't in. too much time 20 years. and they hetn-t-tn. hwt— too much time 20 years. and they hadn't-in. but now— too much time 20 years. and they hadn't-in. but now there's- hadn't got in. but now there's enethen— hadn't got in. but now there's another—fantasy,l another ideological fantasy, whteh— another ideological fantasy, when-thtng- another ideological fantasy, which thing was another ideological fantasy,- which -thing was going which was every thing was going to which was every thing was going te he— which was every thing was going te he the— which was every thing was going to be fine after— which was every thing was going to be fine after brexit, and there-e— to be fine after brexit, and thene-e new— to be fine after brexit, and there's now a— to be fine after brexit, and there's now a wicked blob , there's now a wicked blob, unspecified— there's now a wicked blob, unspecified and vague, that are etwnwtng— unspecified and vague, that are stymying government ministers. and stymying government ministers. ant ene— stymying government ministers. ant eethtng— stymying government ministers. and one thing that we might egnee— and one thing that we might agree on, nigel,— and one thing that we might agree on, nigel, is that if the teewee— agree on, nigel, is that if the leaves government are not leaves of government are not wehtng— leaves of government are not wehtng-te—

leaves of government are not working,-is down- leaves of government are not working, is down to working, that is down to government _ working, that is down to. government-not, working, that is down to- government - not, not government ministers, not, not the— government ministers, not, not thte nehwtewe— government ministers, not, not this nebulous enemy. peter i twet— this nebulous enemy. peter i twet eett— this nebulous enemy. peter i twet eett te— this nebulous enemy. peter i just said to lord— this nebulous enemy. peter i just said to lord marland, you thew.— just said to lord marland, you hnew. thete— just said to lord marland, you know, there may— just said to lord marland, you know, there may be an obstructive _ know, there may be an obstructive blob, but it but etneng— obstructive blob, but it but strong ministers i think could teet— strong ministers i think could tee-h.— strong ministers i think could teet-tt. et— strong ministers i think could deal it, of course. deal with it, of course. but but let deal with it, of course. but but tet ne— deal with it, of course. but but tet he get— deal with it, of course. but but let me get to question let me get back to the question on mean net on do labour, i mean net migration until tony blair came to power, had run at 30,000 a year net for 50 years from windrush to the end of a century on average it was up some years and down the next. blair comes in inaya pieces. the numbers significant albie the tories come in, the numbers explode. i mean, is it viable for us to go on with net migration rising by up to a million a year, a million a year? i don't think it is. million a year? i don't think it te. hwt— million a year? i don't think it te. hwt te— million a year? i don't think it te. hwt te ne— million a year? i don't think it is. but to me it's— ll tit" $153”? i don't think it is. but to me it's ultimately tt-e— is. but to me it's ultimately tt-e net— is. but to me it's ultimately tt-e net e— is. but to me it's ultimately it's not a numbers game. it's ehewt— it's not a numbers game. it's about infrastructure as you both ettwtet— about infrastructure as you both ettwtet te. — about infrastructure as you both ettwtet te. te— about infrastructure as you both alluded to. to be— about infrastructure as you both alluded to. to be fair, earlier on, because it— alluded to. to be fair, earlier on, because it is— alluded to. to be fair, earlier on, because it is a numbers gene.— on, because it is a numbers gene. ten-t— on, because it is a numbers gene, tent-wee- on, because it is a numbers game, isn't yes no. game, isn't it? yes and no. i the net— game, isn't it? yes and no. i mean, i've had the privilege of ttwtng— mean, i've had the privilege of ttwtng tn— mean, i've had the privilege of living in places— mean, i've had the privilege of living in places cumbria living in places like cumbria ent— living in places like cumbria ent-the- living in places like cumbria and the pressure and yorkshire. the pressure on hwhtte— and yorkshire. the pressure on hwhtte-thene— public services there is different— public services there is different when you're in the eewth—eeet— different when you're in the south—east london. so south—east and in london. so i thtnh— south—east and in london. so i thtnh wee— south—east and in london. so i thtnh wewwe get— south—east and in london. so i think you've got to— south—east and in london. so i think you've got to think about eeewtetten— think you've got to think about population density. let's population density. but let's go to population density. but let's go te—ten-tl to a broader point. there isn't ewhtte—

to a broader point. there isn't ewhtte eeeettte— to a broader point. there isn't public appetite for net ntgnetten— public appetite for net migration of- public appetite for net migration of a million a year. he— migration of a million a year. he twet— migration of a million a year. he twet net— migration of a million a year. it's just not there— migration of a million a year. it's just not there or even half a it's just not there or even half e ntttten— it's just not there or even half a millionlyear._ it's just not there or even half a million year. yeah. and the a million a year. yeah. and the teet— a million a year. yeah. and the teet thet— a million a year. yeah. and the fact thathuarter_ a million a year. yeah. and the fact thathuarterla- a million a year. yeah. and the fact that quarter a million fact that a quarter of a million a fact that a quarter of a millioni a-can-numbers fact that a quarter of a million. a-can-numbers in a year, we can debate numbers in a year, we can debate numbers in -eent— a year, we can debate numbers in -eent tehe— a year, we can debate numbers in -eent tehe we- a sense, it won't take us enwwhene— a sense, it won't take us anywhere. david cameron said tene— anywhere. david cameron said tene et— anywhere. david cameron said tens of thousands. we are newhee— tens of thousands. we are nowhere-no,- nowhere near that. no, absolutely. - nowhere near that. no, absolutely. ' t: nowhere near that. no,- absolutely. and-know, the absolutely. and you know, the last or 5 manifestos have made last 4 or 5 manifestos have made similar promises. but my question , does keir starmer question is, does keir starmer have a plan for this? i think so. and i think— have a plan for this? i think so. and i think it's- 57 i think so. and i think it's maybe a backhanded_ so. and i think it's maybe a backhanded compliment . the backhanded compliment. the gewennnent— backhanded compliment. the government has— backhanded compliment. the government has started to borrow etenente— government has started to borrow elements-that. _ government has started to borrow elements-that. so— government has started to borrow elements-that. so i— government has started to borrow elements that. so i remember elements of that. so i remember as elements of that. so i remember eelheeh— elements of that. so i remember eelheehlthe— elements of that. so i remember as.back.the ed— elements of that. so i remember as back the ed miliband as far back as the ed miliband era as far back as the ed miliband . eee— as far back as the ed miliband era , 2013 2014— as far back as the ed miliband era , 2013 2014 yvette cooper the era, 2013 2014 yvette cooper the thet— era, 2013 2014 yvette cooper the ttnet tne— era, 2013 2014 yvette cooper the first time around— era, 2013 2014 yvette cooper the first time around in— era, 2013 2014 yvette cooper the first time around in the shadow eehtnet— first time around in the shadow eehtnet eett— first time around in the shadow cabinet said an— first time around in the shadow cabinet said an australian style hetnt— cabinet said an australian style eetnt eweten— cabinet said an australian style point system that's now the eeeeg— point system that's now the message that— point system that's now the message that the government are eneeehtng— message that the government are weeehtng .— message that the government are weeehtng . hete— message that the government are preaching . keir starmer said if preaching. keir starmer said if he wtne— preaching. keir starmer said if he the— preaching. keir starmer said if he wins the election, they won't go he wins the election, they won't ge teet— he wins the election, they won't ge heeh te — he wins the election, they won't go back to freedom of movement and go back to freedom of movement ent tt— go back to freedom of movement ent tt wen-t— go back to freedom of movement and it won't seek— go back to freedom of movement and it won't seek to— go back to freedom of movement and it won't seek to rejoin the etngte— and it won't seek to rejoin the single market.— and it won't seek to rejoin the single market. so— and it won't seek to rejoin the single market. so basically tt-tt— single market. so basically tt-tt he— single market. so basically it'll be exactly— single market. so basically it'll be exactly the same. i ten-t— it'll be exactly the same. i ten-t-tt-tt— it'll be exactly the same. i don't-it'll be - it'll be exactly the same. i don't it'll be exactly don't think it'll be exactly same _otherl don't think it'll be exactly same _other i'd same because the other point i'd nehe— same because the other point i'd nehe ent— same because the other point i'd nehe ent hw— same because the other point i'd make and by the— same because the other point i'd make and by the way, labour does hewe— make and by the way, labour does hewe e— make and by the way, labour does hewe e teng— make and by the way, labour does have a long list— make and by the way, labour does have a long list could read have a long list i could read outt— have a long list i could read ewt-tehe— have a long list i could read ewt-tehe e- have a long list i could read out,-take a long- have a long list i could read out, take a long time out, but it'll take a long time eewnt— out, but it'll take a long time around mutual— out, but it'll take a long time around mutual recognition of qualifications,—

around mutual recognition of qualifications, goods qualifications, getting goods hen— qualifications, getting goods from britain— qualifications, getting goods from britain into northern hetent— from britain into northern ireland with— from britain into northern ireland with less paperwork , a ireland with less paperwork, a eeewttw— ireland with less paperwork, a eeewntw hect— ireland with less paperwork, a security pact that's that's a lot security pact that's that's a tet ee— security pact that's that's a tet et— security pact that's that's a lot more of the— security pact that's that's a lot more of the technical tetett — lot more of the technical tetett t— lot more of the technical detail. i think- lot more of the technical detail. i think the other thing thet— detail. i think the other thing thet e— detail. i think the other thing that a labour— detail. i think the other thing that a labour government after next— that a labour government after next wewtt— that a labour government after brexit would do _ that a labour government after brexit would do differently is it brexit would do differently is tt wewttn-t— brexit would do differently is it wouldn't over— brexit would do differently is it wouldn't over promise . lord it wouldn't over promise. lord etenent— it wouldn't over promise. lord marland alluded— it wouldn't over promise. lord marland alluded to the reneging on marland alluded to the reneging en the— marland alluded to the reneging en the gentee— marland alluded to the reneging on the promise of— marland alluded to the reneging on the promise of the number of eu on the promise of the number of en negwtettene— on the promise of the number of eu regulations that was going to be eu regulations that was going to he twent— eu regulations that was going to he hwnt. tent— eu regulations that was going to be burnt. kemi badenoch says be burnt. kemi badenoch now says she be burnt. kemi badenoch now says ehe-thet— be burnt. kemi badenoch now says ehe-thet .— be burnt. kemi badenoch now says ehe-thet . hwt— be burnt. kemi badenoch now says she-that , but it- be burnt. kemi badenoch now says she-that , but it also- she can't do that, but it also wewttn-t— she can't do that, but it also wewttn-t get— she can't do that, but it also wouldn't get bogged down in this theme— wouldn't get bogged down in this internal ideological warfare ewe-ant— internal ideological warfare ewe-ant t— internal ideological warfare over and i think that's over brexit. and i think that's the— over brexit. and i think that's the remarkable— over brexit. and i think that's the remarkable thing about the ceneewettwe— the remarkable thing about the conservative party when i'm ewtette— conservative party when i'm ewtette n,— conservative party when i'm outside it, see— conservative party when i'm outside it, see brexiteer outside it, see a brexiteer tethe— outside it, see a brexiteer prime minister— outside it, see a brexiteer prime minister still being eheetet— prime minister still being crippled-by- prime minister still being crippled by fighting prime minister still being- crippled-by fighting in crippled at times by fighting in his crippled at times by fighting in hte ewn— crippled at times by fighting in hte hene— crippled at times by fighting in hte eenw. — crippled at times by fighting in his own party. will " his own party. well, i mean, you know, this broadchurch idea is what we get from the first past the electoral and the post electoral system and labour's got its challenges on the left too. but a quick thought, i peter , you thought, if i can, peter, you know this, and it was floated over weekend, maybe over the weekend, ed, that maybe , you know, 6.5 million people, 16 and 17 year olds and eu nationals living in the country should all get the vote. now, they wouldn't get the vote anywhere else in europe. and of

course, unsurprisingly , albie course, unsurprisingly, albie the mail and the sun say this is a deliberate attempt to gerrymander to get us back into the european union. so is starmer being honest with us? i think he's being honest because it's think he's being honest because he geet— think he's being honest because it's good politics— think he's being honest because it's good politics from a teneette— it's good politics from a domestic point of view. and get— domestic point of view. and get te— domestic point of view. and we've got to be— domestic point of view. and we've got to be frank, that wewngen— we've got to be frank, that younger voters— we've got to be frank, that younger voters are more likely to younger voters are more likely te wete— younger voters are more likely te wete ten— younger voters are more likely te wete ten e— younger voters are more likely to vote for a left— younger voters are more likely to vote for a left of centre netw- — to vote for a left of centre netw- se — to vote for a left of centre eenw. se tt— to vote for a left of centre party. so it could help labour in party. so it could help labour tn the— party. so it could help labour tn the teng— party. so it could help labour in the long term.— party. so it could help labour in the long term. but the other thtng— in the long term. but the other thtng te— in the long term. but the other thing is someone— in the long term. but the other thing is someone inside the tehew— thing is someone inside the tehew-te— thing is someone inside the labour-is you've- thing is someone inside the labour is you've to labour party is you've got to eeeeet— labour party is you've got to accept-starmer- labour party is you've got to accept starmer isn't going accept keir starmer isn't going to accept keir starmer isn't going te tehe— accept keir starmer isn't going to take britain— accept keir starmer isn't going to take britain back into the en. — to take britain back into the en. inet— to take britain back into the| tu. inet-heeeen to take britain back into the- eu.-not-happen and eu. it's not going to happen and it eu. it's not going to happen and tt-eetttteet— eu. it's not going to happen and it-political suicide- it would be political suicide for it would be political suicide ten-te— it would be political suicide ten-te-hwt- it would be political suicide for-to-but whati it would be political suicide. for-to-but what i'd for him to do so. but what i'd say— for him to do so. but what i'd eew te— for him to do so. but what i'd eew te the— for him to do so. but what i'd say to the conservative party is it's say to the conservative party is he tn— say to the conservative party is he tn the— say to the conservative party is it's in the narrow— say to the conservative party is it's in the narrow self—interest of it's in the narrow self—interest et the— it's in the narrow self—interest of the conservative party to egetn— of the conservative party to egetn whth— of the conservative party to egetn whip we— of the conservative party to again whip up an ideological tenteew— again whip up an ideological tenteew thet— again whip up an ideological fantasy that has— again whip up an ideological fantasy that has no bearing on neetttw— fantasy that has no bearing on neetttw. thet— fantasy that has no bearing on reality, that we're— fantasy that has no bearing on reality, that we're going to neg-eth— reality, that we're going to netetn the— reality, that we're going to rejoin the eu— reality, that we're going to rejoin the eu under labour. it's not rejoin the eu under labour. it's net-hehhen- rejoin the eu under labour. it's net-heneen ent- rejoin the eu under labour. it's not happen and it's not going to happen and it's exeettw— not going to happen and it's exactly-same— not going to happen and it's exactly same scare story exactly the same scare story teettee— exactly the same scare story teettee ee— exactly the same scare story teettee ee e— exactly the same scare story tactics as a coalition of the she— tactics as a coalition of the ewe te— tactics as a coalition of the ewe te net— tactics as a coalition of the snp is not going to happen, but it's snp is not going to happen, but he hwt— snp is not going to happen, but he hwt tt-e— snp is not going to happen, but he hwt tt-e tn— snp is not going to happen, but it's but it's in the— snp is not going to happen, but it's but it's in the party's own self—interest— it's but it's in the party's own self—interest of— it's but it's in the party's own self—interest of the conservative party to spread the— conservative party to spread thte nwth. — conservative party to spread this myth. well,— conservative party to spread

this myth. well, starmer, wherever you _ this myth. well, starmer, wherever you think is not a twnnw— wherever you think is not a twnnw, wete— wherever you think is not a dummy, we're not going back. peter.— dummy, we're not going back. heten tet-e— dummy, we're not going back. peter. let's be— dummy, we're not going back. peter. let's be honest.- dummy, we're not going back. peter. let's be honest. scare stories about the other side winning going on for winning albie going on for longer than you and i been longer than you and i have been around. there's nothing very. we're not going back though. around. there's nothing very. we we're: going back though. around. there's nothing very. we we're: goigoing:k though. around. there's nothing very. we we're: goigoing:k �*back h. no we're not going to go back into i get into the european union. i get that. see that. however, i can see a starmer government taking us much closer to single market. but let challenge you but how? let me challenge you on thet.— but how? let me challenge you on thet—nel that. how? because you said no -ehet— that. how? because you said no more-market..how?. that. how? because you said no more market. how? that. how? because you said no. more-market..how? oh, more single market. so how? oh, teeewee— more single market. so how? oh, teeewee-ettgn— more single market. so how? oh, because-align with- more single market. so how? oh, because-align with all. because we can align with all new eu it's simple to new eu law. it's quite simple to do and had the do that. and had the conservatives done their job. jonathan marland and taken us away law, not personal, away from eu law, not personal, but it would have been a sight more labour to more difficult for labour to take us back in that direction. gentlemen thank you both very much. all i can say is i am enormously disappointed and i, i just don't think it was a cat's chance in hell of the conservative was getting back those red wall voters next year or keeping those red wall voters unless something very , very unless something very, very radical happens . in a moment radical happens. in a moment after the break, it's over. the russia hoax on both sides of the pondis russia hoax on both sides of the pond is over. i'm delighted. and

yet i don't see a single newspaper per inch. whereas before the headlines were farage under investigation by the fbi for links with russia. no one's apologising, but it's over. all of that in just a moment

fish there. so you're listening to fish there. so you're listening te eh— fish there. so you're listening te eh hewe— fish there. so you're listening to gb news radio . to gb news radio. so have the henee— to gb news radio. so have the tories failed on brexit? some of your reactions coming in, ian says via email, the tories haven't failed on brexit. they've sabotaged brexit and defied they've sabotaged brexit and defied the referendum will of the british voters. for this they must be punished at the ballot box . they must be punished at the ballot box. ian i they must be punished at the ballot box . ian i suspect ballot box. ian i suspect they're going to be, mark says. now now that you've recently admitted on camera that brexit is a failure, will you soon be moving abroad like you said you would before the brexit vote? if brexit was to fail? that comes from mark. it's probably james o'brien or someone like that. in reality , the tories have failed reality, the tories have failed us on brexit. they've proved to

be as useless a leaders as the ones we had from the european commission. it isn't brexit that's a failure. it's the tories handling of it. and there's a reason for that. and alan picks this up via email very effectively when he says, it's time we got real parliament of all parties is failed by not being 100% behind the instruction the country gave them . and here's the truth of them. and here's the truth of it. and peter edwards alluded to this. we've all forgotten that the conservative party was a remain party arnie yes, there were brexiteers , but they were were brexiteers, but they were out on the edges . it was out on the edges. it was a remain party and ultimately we've asked it under our system a remain party to do brexit. and they never actually believed in it. in fact, to be honest with you, i'm not even sure boris johnson ever really actually believed in it. now it's johnson ever really actually believed in it . now it's over johnson ever really actually believed in it. now it's over. the russia hoax is finally over on this side of the pond , thank on this side of the pond, thank god, because i really got pretty tired of guardian headlines such

as farage is a person of interest . as fbi examines interest. as fbi examines russian link to republicans in the mail, fbi includes farage in russia probe and it went on and on and i mean new zealand. new papers, newspapers in borneo all over the world. arron banks being probed over alleged links to russia. trump russia inquiry looks into farage links. i mean, it was endless and it went on for years . i was even told, you for years. i was even told, you know , verbatim on radio four's know, verbatim on radio four's today programme that i was under investigation in by the fbi as a matter of fact, poor old arron banks. well, they gave him one hell of a time, you know, in the end when the electoral commission couldn't find any russian financial links to banks's campaign , a banks's campaign, a parliamentary committee headed up parliamentary committee headed ”p by parliamentary committee headed up by conservative member of parliament damian collins, vince

addictively referred him to the national crime agency, much of this came as a result of what was written in the guardian by a journalist called carole cadwalladr. i am delighted and thrilled that last week aaron banks received financial compensation on from that journalist for making depher monetary comments in print. journalist for making depher monetary comments in print . and monetary comments in print. and at some point in the next couple of weeks, costs will be awarded. if mr banks favour as well. and yet i bet you haven't read a single line in a british newspaper about it. well much the same is happening on the other side of the pond where special counsel john durham has concluded a four year probe and his conclusions about the way the fbi and other agencies in america have operated is far from pretty. but don't take it from pretty. but don't take it from me. let's go to david schoen, former attorney specialising in federal criminal defence and a former donald trump impeachment lawyer. david, welcome to the program for years

of john durham, what are his conclusions ? owens well, this conclusions? owens well, this conclusions? owens well, this conclusions are relatively strong and fortunately the consequences are not. he he concluded most— he he concluded most importantly, i thtnh— concluded most importantly, i thtnh thet— concluded most importantly, i think that there _ concluded most importantly, i think that there was no basis for think that there was no basis ten the— think that there was no basis for the so—called_ think that there was no basis for the so—called special cewneet— for the so—called special counsel mueller commission investigation— counsel mueller commission investigation in— counsel mueller commission investigation in the first theee.— investigation in the first place. secondly, perhaps and newne— place. secondly, perhaps and newte ee— place. secondly, perhaps and maybe more importantly, it was then— maybe more importantly, it was then by— maybe more importantly, it was driven by political— maybe more importantly, it was driven by political partisan egentee— driven by political partisan agendas include rooting collusion— agendas include rooting collusion for— agendas include rooting collusion for lack of a better tern. — collusion for lack of a better tern. wtth— collusion for lack of a better term, with the— collusion for lack of a better term, with the hillary clinton eeneetgn— term, with the hillary clinton campaign unprecedented to have a hetttteet— campaign unprecedented to have a political partisan— campaign unprecedented to have a political partisan inner race tnwtng— political partisan inner race tnwtng ent— political partisan inner race driving and investigate criminal tnweettgetten— driving and investigate criminal investigation by— driving and investigate criminal investigation by the department of investigation by the department et twettee— investigation by the department et twettee. ant— investigation by the department of justice. and then i think we tt-e— of justice. and then i think we saw it's important— of justice. and then i think we saw it's important to me as a tewwen— saw it's important to me as a tewwen thet— saw it's important to me as a lawyer that we— saw it's important to me as a lawyer that we saw a conclusions thet— lawyer that we saw a conclusions thet eteeth— lawyer that we saw a conclusions that clearly justice— lawyer that we saw a conclusions that clearly justice department etttetete— that clearly justice department officials lied— that clearly justice department officials lied in— that clearly justice department officials lied in applications for surveillance— officials lied in applications for surveillance techniques that are for surveillance techniques that the— for surveillance techniques that the meet— for surveillance techniques that are the most intrusive that we ettew— are the most intrusive that we ettew tn— are the most intrusive that we ettew tn ew— are the most intrusive that we allow in our system to the ee—eettet— allow in our system to the so—called fisa_ allow in our system to the so—called fisa court, fisa, tenetgn— so—called fisa court, fisa, foreign intelligence

surveillance court . surveillance court. extraordinary. and that court then— extraordinary. and that court itself provides— extraordinary. and that court itself provides strict rules on eeneettng— itself provides strict rules on eeneettng enw— itself provides strict rules on correcting any mistake. but of course, these _ correcting any mistake. but of course, these don't appear to hewe— course, these don't appear to hewe teen— course, these don't appear to have been mistakes . this was have been mistakes. this was then— have been mistakes. this was then by— have been mistakes. this was driven by people— have been mistakes. this was driven by people like andrew weteennen— driven by people like andrew weissman, who's the single most ethteettw— weissman, who's the single most ethically bankrupt— weissman, who's the single most ethically bankrupt prosecutor twe— ethically bankrupt prosecutor i've ever dealt— ethically bankrupt prosecutor i've ever dealt with. but there are no real consequences to this . we. — are no real consequences to this . we. ant— are no real consequences to this . no. and that's— are no real consequences to this . no. and that's the- are no real consequences to this . no. and that's the problem, isn't it? i mean, trump from the start said russia, russia , start said russia, russia, russia. it's all giant hoax. russia. it's all a giant hoax. durham absolutely concluded that there was no there was insofar ancient evidence, as you say, for any of this to go ahead. but i mean, is it the same as this side of the pond? i don't see, aaron banks or myself getting a word of apology out of any of the press that says rationalised these ridiculous claims that were made at the time. is it similar in the usa ? is anybody similar in the usa? is anybody saying poor old donald trump was put through years of this for nothing? oh, put through years of this for nothing ? oh, absolutely. you nothing? oh, absolutely. you thew.— nothing? oh, absolutely. you hnew. wew— nothing? oh, absolutely. you know, you make— nothing? oh, absolutely. you know, you make a— "q7 oh, absolutely. you know, you make a very important hetnt— know, you make a very important went here. — know, you make a very important eetnt hene. tew— know, you make a very important point here. you know, you're wett— point here. you know, you're wett hnewn— point here. you know, you're well known around the world as a neeeeetet—

well known around the world as a respected journalist. but i wewtt— respected journalist. but i wewtt tett— respected journalist. but i would tell you— respected journalist. but i would tell you that anyone over hene— would tell you that anyone over here whe— would tell you that anyone over here who comes— would tell you that anyone over here who comes up— would tell you that anyone over here who comes up with your net entw— here who comes up with your name, not only associates you as hetng— name, not only associates you as hetng e— name, not only associates you as being a tremendously well—respected journalist, but etee— well—respected journalist, but also associates— well—respected journalist, but also associates you with this ee—eettet — also associates you with this so—called russia _ also associates you with this so—called russia probe. many eeehte— so—called russia probe. many eeeete hen— so—called russia probe. many people from the— so—called russia probe. many people from the start, alan henehewttz— people from the start, alan dershowitz and _ people from the start, alan dershowitz and others wrote an 0p dershowitz and others wrote an en et— dershowitz and others wrote an ee et eteee— dershowitz and others wrote an ee et eteee en— dershowitz and others wrote an ee et eteee en tt— dershowitz and others wrote an op ed piece on it at the time, eett— op ed piece on it at the time, eett thet— op ed piece on it at the time, said that there— op ed piece on it at the time, said that there was no basis ten— said that there was no basis ten the— said that there was no basis even for the appointment of the eeeetet— even for the appointment of the special counsel.— even for the appointment of the special counsel. it— even for the appointment of the special counsel. it simply even for the appointment of the specialauthorisedt simply even for the appointment of the specialauthorised under.y wasn't authorised under the etetwte— wasn't authorised under the statute. .they - wasn't authorised under the statute. they went forward statute. but they went forward wtth — statute. but they went forward wtth lent — statute. but they went forward with l and - knew- statute. but they went forward with and knew what they with it and they knew what they hetng— with it and they knew what they were doing when— with it and they knew what they were doing when they went teewent— were doing when they went tewee-tt— were doing when they went forward-it. and- were doing when they went forward it. and it up forward with it. and it tied up the administration for years. i'll the administration for years. t-tt—ttt- the administration for years. i'll-did serve- the administration for years. i'll-did serve as. i'll tell you, i did serve as teet— i'll tell you, i did serve as teee-ten- i'll tell you, i did serve as lead -for donald. i'll tell you, i did serve as- lead -for donald trump's lead counsel for donald trump's tneeeehnent— lead counsel for donald trump's impeachment second impeachment trial, the second tnet— impeachment trial, the second thet-teen— impeachment trial, the second thet-heen e— impeachment trial, the second trial.-been a civil- trial. but i've been a civil nghte— trial. but i've been a civil nghte-ee- trial. but i've been a civil rights-38 and rights lawyer for 38 years and a enntnet— rights lawyer for 38 years and a criminal defence— rights lawyer for 38 years and a criminal defence lawyer for 38 weee— criminal defence lawyer for 38 weee thte— criminal defence lawyer for 38 wee thte te— criminal defence lawyer for 38 years. this is not— criminal defence lawyer for 38 years. this is not a political teewe— years. this is not a political ten— years. this is not a political issue for me— years. this is not a political issue for me .— years. this is not a political issue for me . it's- years. this is not a political issue for me . it's an issue of issue for me. it's an issue of teete— issue for me. it's an issue of heete etwtt— issue for me. it's an issue of basic civil rights,— issue for me. it's an issue of basic civil rights, quite tnenhtw— basic civil rights, quite frankly, and- basic civil rights, quite frankly, and it's a reputational issue. people's— frankly, and it's a reputational issue. people's lives have been nwtnet— issue. people's lives have been nwtnet ee— issue. people's lives have been ruined over this_ issue. people's lives have been ruined over this hoax. issue. people's lives have been ruined over this hoax . / issue. people's lives have been ruined over this hoax . “bile?" ruined over this hoax. yeah, no, eteetwtetw— ruined over this hoax. yeah, no, eteetwtetw .— ruined over this hoax. yeah, no, absolutely . and presumably, absolutely. and presumably, though, the one person that will talk about this now endlessly is donald trump himself . if yeah, donald trump himself. if yeah, you can be sure he'll- donald trump himself. if yeah, you can be sure he'll get- t: " if yeah, you can be sure he'll get as nweh— you can be sure he'll get as much mileage— you can be sure he'll get as much mileage as- you can be sure he'll get as much mileage as possible out of

it. much mileage as possible out of t. hwt— much mileage as possible out of t. hwt egetn— much mileage as possible out of it. but again, without the consequences. - it. but again, without the consequences. but it turns out thet— consequences. but it turns out thet e— consequences. but it turns out thet e tet— consequences. but it turns out thet e tet et— consequences. but it turns out that a lot of what— consequences. but it turns out that a lot of what he said that thew— that a lot of what he said that they dismissed— that a lot of what he said that they dismissed was right. he hnew— they dismissed was right. he hnew tt— they dismissed was right. he hnew tt wee— they dismissed was right. he knew it was ill— they dismissed was right. he knew it was ill founded from the eten. — knew it was ill founded from the eten. hwt— knew it was ill founded from the eten. hwt egetn— knew it was ill founded from the start. but again, you know, we hnew— start. but again, you know, we hnew thte— start. but again, you know, we knew this from _ start. but again, you know, we knew this from the appointment of knew this from the appointment et the— knew this from the appointment et the ether— knew this from the appointment of the other commission. if you hewe— of the other commission. if you hewe e— of the other commission. if you have a commission— of the other commission. if you have a commission that the hwhtte— have a commission that the public supposed to believe public is supposed to believe in, public is supposed to believe tn—ewt- public is supposed to believe tn—ewt entwl in, then you don't put only eeeete— in, then you don't put only eeeete en— in, then you don't put only eeeete en tt— in, then you don't put only people on it, put people on it whe— people on it, put people on it whe entw— people on it, put people on it whe entw hewe— people on it, put people on it who only have one political egente— who only have one political egente ent— who only have one political agenda and it's— who only have one political agenda and it's headed up again by a— agenda and it's headed up again by a guy— agenda and it's headed up again by e gww the— agenda and it's headed up again by e gww the the.— agenda and it's headed up again by a guy like this. andrew weissmann_ by a guy like this. andrew weissmann other contributors weissmann and other contributors to weissmann and other contributors te ene— weissmann and other contributors te hetttteet— weissmann and other contributors to one political party. i represented— to one political party. i represented the democratic party last represented the democratic party teet ween— represented the democratic party last year litigation. i've last year in litigation. i've neeneeentet— last year in litigation. i've represented libertarian parties. egetn— represented libertarian parties. egetn-e— represented libertarian parties. again,-a political. again, that's not a political etetenent— again, that's not a political statement. it's— again, that's not a political statement. it's simply a matter of statement. it's simply a matter et teet— statement. it's simply a matter et teet .— statement. it's simply a matter et teet . tn— statement. it's simply a matter of fact . in order— statement. it's simply a matter of fact . in order garner of fact. in order to garner hwhtte— of fact. in order to garner ewhtte eweeen— of fact. in order to garner public support , you have to have public support, you have to have a public support, you have to have e hteenteen— public support, you have to have a bipartisan approach . you. \t:::t a bipartisan approach. you. no, eteetwtetw. — a bipartisan approach. you. no, absolutely. david— a bipartisan approach. you. no, absolutely. david schoen , thank absolutely. david schoen, thank you very much indeed for joining us on gb news you you very much indeed for joining us much. on gb news you you very much indeed for joining us much. pleasure. news you you very much indeed for joining us much. pleasure. pleasure.i very much. pleasure. pleasure. so vindication— very much. pleasure. pleasure. so vindication on— wig i pleasure. pleasure. so vindication on both sides of the hene— so vindication on both sides of the tent . — so vindication on both sides of the gent . hwt— so vindication on both sides of the pond . but as— so vindication on both sides of the pond . tat t: so vindication on both sides of the pond . jet t: i the pond. but as david schoen said, very few consequences. in a moment . 80 said, very few consequences. in a moment. 80 years ago this very evening, out of scampton, the dams raid was launched. we will

commemorate that in just a moment. and think about the inspiration it's been to the royal air force ever since

tonight on tv, radio and online. ttentew— tonight on tv, radio and online. ttentew te— tonight on tv, radio and online. monday to thursday from 9 pm. to monday to thursday from 9 pm. te tt— monday to thursday from 9 pm. te tt hn- — monday to thursday from 9 pm. te tt en. en— monday to thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on this_ monday to thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on this night 80 weene— to 11 pm. on this night 80 weene ege— to 11 pm. on this night 80 weene ege. — to 11 pm. on this night 80 weene ege. guy- to 11 pm. on this night 80 years ago. gag c, to 11 pm. on this night 80- years ago. guy gibson, who was subsequently to get the victoria cross for the action, led 19 lancasters that took off from raf scampton. they were flying with a bomb that was the heaviest payload load the raf had carried at that point of the war. they were flying with a bomb that had never been used operationally. they normally flew at 20 to 30,000ft, but for this operation , when they had to this operation, when they had to fly at 60ft, which was lower than the actual wingspan of the aircraft, eight of those lancasters did not return. so it was a very, very heavy human price that was paid by the crews. but they did breach the mona and aida dams and hit and damage the sorpe dam . and it was

damage the sorpe dam. and it was considered to be a huge upbeat morale uplift for the country. a success at a time when, frankly , we weren't having very many of them. when well, of course, there's been huge controversy recently over scampton as it is emptied of its historic artefacts. and we're even told that guy gibson's dog that was killed in a car accident the day of the raid , even that's been of the raid, even that's been dug up and sent somewhere else. desecration i believe, at scampton and turning it into a migrant centre. but today we remember those men and what they achieved 80 years ago and we're heading now to will hollis, who is at the dambusters memorial in in woodhall spa and well, i have to ask you, 80 years on how is this extraordinary event being remembered , ed? yes. good remembered, ed? yes. good evening, remembered, ed? yes. good ewentng. wtget.— remembered, ed? yes. good evening, nigel. well,- : t:7 yes. good evening, nigel. well, if you eewth— evening, nigel. well, if you eewtt eee— evening, nigel. well, if you could see this_ evening, nigel. well, if you could see this memorial here in weethett— could see this memorial here in weethett see.— could see this memorial here in woodhall spa, which became the heme— woodhall spa, which became the heme et— woodhall spa, which became the heme et ett— woodhall spa, which became the home of 617 squadron , the

home of 617 squadron, the dambusters,— home of 617 squadron, the dambusters, in— home of 617 squadron, the dambusters, in the months after the an,— dambusters, in the months after the an, tt— dambusters, in the months after the an, tt wew— dambusters, in the months after the raid, if you could see the etgee— the raid, if you could see the etgee, wew-t— the raid, if you could see the edges, you'd see— the raid, if you could see the edges, you'd see lots of people whe— edges, you'd see lots of people whe hewe— edges, you'd see lots of people whe hewe eet— edges, you'd see lots of people who have sat waiting with cameras because in just about nett— cameras because in just about hett en— cameras because in just about hett en hew— cameras because in just about hett en hew .— cameras because in just about half an hour , the— cameras because in just about half an hour , the battle for half an hour, the battle for then— half an hour, the battle for britain memorial flight is going to britain memorial flight is going te ttw— britain memorial flight is going te ttw ee— britain memorial flight is going to fly over with— britain memorial flight is going to fly over with the uk's only ttwtng— to fly over with the uk's only flying lancaster. _ to fly over with the uk's only flying lancaster. "cit; to fly over with the uk's only flying lancaster. “cit; t:�*”cl to fly over with the uk's only flying lancaster. itti;:i; t?�*”tiil flying lancaster. there are only two lancasters that are still flying right now in the world. one of them is in canada. one of then — one of them is in canada. one of then te— one of them is in canada. one of then te nght— one of them is in canada. one of them is right here— one of them is in canada. one of them is right here in lincolnshire. and while it's not uncommon to hear the lancaster ttwtng— uncommon to hear the lancaster ttwtng-te— uncommon to hear the lancaster flying is uncommon, flying over it is uncommon, tnenetthtw— flying over it is uncommon, incredibly rare— flying over it is uncommon, incredibly rare to hear it ttwtng— incredibly rare to hear it ttwtng ee— incredibly rare to hear it flying over so- incredibly rare to hear it flying over so many places at ant— flying over so many places at once. and today— flying over so many places at once. and today ,_ flying over so many places at once. and today , all throughout once. and today, all throughout lincolnshire,_ once. and today, all throughout lincolnshire, the— once. and today, all throughout lincolnshire, the lancaster has teen — lincolnshire, the lancaster has teen ttwtng — lincolnshire, the lancaster has been flying across old airbase as former raf— been flying across old airbase as former raf bases because this tente— as former raf bases because this was bomber command, it was tentet— was bomber command, it was bomber county,— was bomber command, it was bomber county, and it's the eteee— bomber county, and it's the eteee thet— bomber county, and it's the place that flew— bomber county, and it's the place that flew all of those nteetene— place that flew all of those .— place that flew all of those missions , as— place that flew all of those missions , as well as, of course, missions, as well as, of course, tht— missions, as well as, of course, tet seeneten— missions, as well as, of course, raf scampton, where the dambusters— raf scampton, where the dambusters mission flew from . so dambusters mission flew from. so heeete— dambusters mission flew from. so eeeete ee— dambusters mission flew from. so people are waiting— dambusters mission flew from. so people are waiting for that to fly people are waiting for that to ttw ee— people are waiting for that to fly over shortly. _ people are waiting for that to fly over shortly. but we've been tethtng — fly over shortly. but we've been tethtng etewt— fly over shortly. but we've been talking about why— fly over shortly. but we've been talking about why this matters . talking about why this matters. why— talking about why this matters. whw ee— talking about why this matters. whw we— talking about why this matters. why are we remembering the hentwetene— why are we remembering the dambusters and— why are we remembering the dambusters and the men who gave

thete— dambusters and the men who gave thett ttwee— dambusters and the men who gave thett ttwee the— dambusters and the men who gave their lives the 53— dambusters and the men who gave their lives the 53 men who tewght— their lives the 53 men who tewght ent— their lives the 53 men who fought and died in that tentewten— fought and died in that particular raid during the seeent— particular raid during the second world— particular raid during the second world war, and chris wttttene— second world war, and chris wttttene .— second world war, and chris williams , who's— second world war, and chris williams , who's a part of the williams, who's a part of the ett— williams, who's a part of the we sgwewen— williams, who's a part of the 617 squadron association, whose dad 617 squadron association, whose tet wee— 617 squadron association, whose tet e— 617 squadron association, whose tet e hen— 617 squadron association, whose dad was a part of— 617 squadron association, whose dad was a part of 617 , a dad was a part of 617, a egwetnen— dad was a part of 617, a squadron squadron in the in the nenthe— squadron squadron in the in the nenthe ettew— squadron squadron in the in the months after the— squadron squadron in the in the months after the dams raid, who hew— months after the dams raid, who ttew tette— months after the dams raid, who ttew nette en— months after the dams raid, who flew raids on normandy as well as flew raids on normandy as well ee tettteee— flew raids on normandy as well as fortress europe— flew raids on normandy as well as fortress europe . he's as fortress europe. he's wetettw— as fortress europe. he's probably the- as fortress europe. he's probably the best person to say why— probably the best person to say whw wete— probably the best person to say why we're still— probably the best person to say why we're still remembering this 80 why we're still remembering this to weene— why we're still remembering this to were en— why we're still remembering this to weene en the— why we're still remembering this 80 years on the ingenuity of the ent— 80 years on the ingenuity of the science and technology and the etgntttee— science and technology and the significs science— science and technology and the significs science of what they did significs science of what they ttt te— significs science of what they ttt te ehenge— significs science of what they did to change the war in a small way— did to change the war in a small wew et— did to change the war in a small wew et e— did to change the war in a small wew et e wew— did to change the war in a small way at a very important time , way at a very important time, teeee— way at a very important time, because british— way at a very important time, because british morale had taken a because british morale had taken e teettng— because british morale had taken a beating earlier— because british morale had taken a beating earlier on and it was wew— a beating earlier on and it was wenw geet— a beating earlier on and it was wenw geet te— a beating earlier on and it was very good to take— a beating earlier on and it was very good to take the war to the enennw — very good to take the war to the enennw ant— very good to take the war to the enemy. and that's— very good to take the war to the enemy. "t: very good to take the war to the enemy. ' very good to take the war to the enemy. "t: enemy. and that's what they did . and we shouldn't forget that . . and we shouldn't forget that. and in modern times, there are similar episodes. of course , similar episodes. of course, which are equally significant. and we should not forget . it's a

and we should not forget. it's a story that we never seem to tire of telling . taking the war to of telling. taking the war to eennenw— of telling. taking the war to eennenw ent— t; taking the war to germany and attacking the tntwetnet— germany and attacking the industrial heartland , something industrial heartland, something that industrial heartland, something thet het— industrial heartland, something that had never— industrial heartland, something that had never really been done wnttt— that had never really been done wnttt thet— that had never really been done until that point— that had never really been done until that point in— that had never really been done until that point in the war. but it until that point in the war. but tt te— until that point in the war. but it is ultimately— until that point in the war. but it is ultimately about remembering the people that gave thete— remembering the people that gave thett ttwee— remembering the people that gave thett ttwee .— remembering the people that gave their lives . it's— remembering the people that gave their lives . it's important to their lives. it's important to remember that— their lives. it's important to remember that it wasn't just etght— remember that it wasn't just etght en— remember that it wasn't just eight men from _ remember that it wasn't just eight men from britain. it was hen — eight men from britain. it was men from across— eight men from britain. it was men from across the commonwealth, from canada, hwetnette— commonwealth, from canada, australia and— commonwealth, from canada, australia and new zealand. wew-tt— australia and new zealand. wew-tt eee— australia and new zealand. you'll see their— australia and new zealand. you'll see their names alongside the e— you'll see their names alongside the et— you'll see their names alongside the names of the— you'll see their names alongside the names of the men from when— the names of the men from when whe— the names of the men from britain who flew— the names of the men from britain who flew and died in the nteetene— britain who flew and died in the tw— britain who flew and died in the missions for 617— britain who flew and died in the missions for 617 squadron. teewee— missions for 617 squadron. because it's— missions for 617 squadron. because it's important to remember that while the dambusters— remember that while the dambusters ,_ remember that while the dambusters , which were dambusters, which were acknowledging today for the 80th enntweeenw— acknowledging today for the 80th anniversary, was— acknowledging today for the 80th anniversary, was the start of et— anniversary, was the start of we sgwetnen— anniversary, was the start of 617 squadron, it— anniversary, was the start of 617 squadron, it was not the end of 617 squadron, it was not the end et ett— 617 squadron, it was not the end of 617 squadron— 617 squadron, it was not the end of 617 squadron and they still fly of 617 squadron and they still ttw tetew— of 617 squadron and they still ttw tetew tn— of 617 squadron and they still fly today in the— of 617 squadron and they still fly today in the royal air twee— fly today in the royal air force. thank— fly today in the royal air force. thank you very much theteet.— force. thank you very much indeed, will— force. thank you very much indeed, will hollis and absolutely— indeed, will hollis and absolutely ,_ indeed, will hollis and absolutely , of course, leonard absolutely, of course, leonard cheehtte— absolutely, of course, leonard cheshire went— absolutely, of course, leonard cheshire went on— absolutely, of course, leonard cheshire went on to lead 617 sgwewen— cheshire went on to lead 617 sgwewen tw— cheshire went on to lead 617 squadron for much of the rest of the we— squadron for much of the rest of the ettet— squadron for much of the rest of the war after guy— squadron for much of the rest of the war after guy gibson subsequently—

the war after guy gibson subsequently , vc went missing. subsequently, vc went missing. joining— subsequently, vc went missing. joining ne— subsequently, vc went missing. joining he eewn— subsequently, vc went missing. joining me down the— subsequently, vc went missing. joining me down the line- subsequently, vc went missing. joining me down the line is- subsequently, vc went missing. joining me down the line is sir michael graydon, chief of the air staff of the royal air force, 1992 to 97. and he's at the international bomber command centre in lincoln as i speak to him . sir michael, operation him. sir michael, operation personally with very little nofice personally with very little notice and not much training. what gibson's men achieved on that night was pretty remarkable stuff, wasn't it ? exceptional stuff, wasn't it? exceptional wtthewt— stuff, wasn't it? exceptional without doubt. _ stuff, wasn't it? exceptional without doubt. you're- e c7 exceptional without doubt. /tit. iti; t: without doubt. you're quite right. they didn't get a great deal of time. they were. they were selected as pilots and obviously they were very well led by guy gibson. the training that they carried out was was incredible . but, yes, a very incredible. but, yes, a very short time to prepare for something that they carried out superbly. how something that they carried out superbly . how much i something that they carried out superbly. how much i mean, you hnew.— superbly. how much i mean, you hnew. t— superbly. how much i mean, you hnew. t hnew— superbly. how much i mean, you know, i know with— how much i mean, you know, i know with british army negtnente— know, i know with british army negtnente ent— know, i know with british army regiments and the navy and i'm wtth— regiments and the navy and i'm wtth the — regiments and the navy and i'm sure with the air— regiments and the navy and i'm sure with the air force, there teeee— sure with the air force, there becomes a sort— sure with the air force, there becomes a sort of a tradition , a becomes a sort of a tradition, a the— becomes a sort of a tradition, a htnt et— becomes a sort of a tradition, a htnt et e— becomes a sort of a tradition, a htnt et e een— becomes a sort of a tradition, a kind of a sort of— becomes a sort of a tradition, a kind of a sort of the men that come .women that- kind of a sort of the men that come women that come come and women that come ettetwette— come and women that come afterwards uphold the afterwards want to uphold the etentente— afterwards want to uphold the standards of— afterwards want to uphold the

standards of those that have gene— standards of those that have gene tetwe— standards of those that have gone before. i— standards of those that have gone before. i mean, 80 years the— gone before. i mean, 80 years the eww— gone before. i mean, 80 years on, the guy gibson's men have any— on, the guy gibson's men have enw etewene— on, the guy gibson's men have any relevance to— on, the guy gibson's men have any relevance to today's royal air any relevance to today's royal ah twee— any relevance to today's royal ah twee w— any relevance to today's royal air force or are— any relevance to today's royal air force or are they still teetee— air force or are they still teehet we— air force or are they still looked up to— air force or are they still looked up to as being an tnewtent— looked up to as being an important example ? i think we important example? i think we eheneh— important example? i think we eheneh tn— important example? i think we cherish in the— important example? i think we cherish in the royal air force , cherish in the royal air force, we eheneh— cherish in the royal air force, we cherish all— cherish in the royal air force, we cherish all the great men the— we cherish all the great men the ot— we cherish all the great men like di gibson— we cherish all the great men like di gibson ,_ we cherish all the great men like di gibson , great leaders. like di gibson, great leaders. we like di gibson, great leaders. we teetn— like di gibson, great leaders. we learn from _ like di gibson, great leaders. we learn from them- like di gibson, great leaders. we learn from them and- like di gibson, great leaders. we learn from them and we admire them hugely . we learn from them and we admire them hugely. i mean, i'm standing , as you said, at the standing, as you said, at the bomber centre here and 607 squadron, of course, is , is very squadron, of course, is, is very special. but you know, nearly 58,000 thousand young men died , 58,000 thousand young men died, young men and women, because we remember the ground crew as well, who were attacked. the ground . yeah. and the aircrew ground. yeah. and the aircrew and every one of their names is on the stands around this memorial . on the stands around this memorial. it's a very special place. and we will continue to cherish the memory of 617 squadron and all those who took

part in bomber command in world war ii. well sir michael graydon, i have visited that bomber command centre in lincoln myself and i'm going to pick up on your words and say to anybody, if you're looking for a trip to lincoln, which itself is an amazing, beautiful city to visit anyway, go to the bomber command museum. it is quite awe tnettttng— command museum. it is quite awe tneetnng. just— command museum. it is quite awe tneetnng. wet the— command museum. it is quite awe inspiring. just the level— command museum. it is quite awe inspiring. just the level of- inspiring. just the level of eewtttee— inspiring. just the level of sacrifice those _ inspiring. just the level of sacrifice those people gave. sir ttteheet— sacrifice those people gave. sir michael, thank— sacrifice those people gave. sir michael, thank you for joining us michael, thank you for joining we en et— michael, thank you for joining us on gb news— michael, thank you for joining us on gb news on this ennweee-tw— us on gb news on this anniversary. thank you. now now, the whete— anniversary. thank you. now now, the whete the— anniversary. thank you. now now, the what? the farage moment ttettw— the what? the farage moment ttettw whtte— the what? the farage moment motty white gb _ the what? the farage moment motty white gb news is home and eeewttw— motty white gb news is home and eeewttw etttw— motty white gb news is home and security editor has— motty white gb news is home and security editor has put together this security editor has put together thte eeehege— security editor has put together this package and— security editor has put together this package and it's on uk wtntnete— this package and it's on uk criminals providing false tntteh— criminals providing false british passports for dangerous wtntnete. — british passports for dangerous criminals. watch— british passports for dangerous criminals. watch it . i criminals. watch it. come back in criminals. watch it. come back tn ze— criminals. watch it. come back in 20 minutes. right that. yeah i'll go on. angel covid filmed by undercover officers airs. this is organised crime boss hnthenw— this is organised crime boss anthony beard— this is organised crime boss anthony beard handing over eeeeeen— anthony beard handing over passport photographs for weeeeetng— passport photographs for processing part of a high level

eeneetneew— processing part of a high level eeneetneew te— processing part of a high level conspiracy to provide fraudulent eeeeeen— conspiracy to provide fraudulent eeeeewt te— conspiracy to provide fraudulent eeeeeen te the— conspiracy to provide fraudulent passport to the criminal underworld— passport to the criminal underworld .— passport to the criminal underworld . helping murderers, underworld. helping murderers, httneeeene— underworld. helping murderers, httneeeene ent— underworld. helping murderers, kidnappers and many other serious criminals to operate wntet— serious criminals to operate under different— serious criminals to operate under different identities and ewete— under different identities and evade capture— under different identities and evade capture .— under different identities and evade capture . for in a cafe in evade capture. for in a cafe in eewth—eeet— evade capture. for in a cafe in south—east london, anthony beard was south—east london, anthony beard eewettw— south—east london, anthony beard was secretly filmed— south—east london, anthony beard was secretly filmed meeting with an was secretly filmed meeting with en ttentttw— was secretly filmed meeting with an identity donor— was secretly filmed meeting with an identity donor .— was secretly filmed meeting with an identity donor. more was secretly filmed meeting with an identity donor . more often an identity donor. more often wwtnetette— an identity donor. more often vulnerable individuals with thtnh— vulnerable individuals with tnnh ent— vulnerable individuals with drink and drug— vulnerable individuals with drink and drug addictions who pett— drink and drug addictions who eett te— drink and drug addictions who were paid to hand over their old eeeeewte— were paid to hand over their old eeeeeene ent— were paid to hand over their old passports and allow the criminals— passports and allow the criminals to— passports and allow the criminals to effectively assume thete— criminals to effectively assume thett ttentttw— criminals to effectively assume their identity .— criminals to effectively assume their identity . beard would then their identity. beard would then abitty— their identity. beard would then eeetw tw— their identity. beard would then eeetw ten e— their identity. beard would then apply for a passport renewal on the— apply for a passport renewal on the, eenttng— apply for a passport renewal on line, sending in— apply for a passport renewal on line, sending in a— apply for a passport renewal on line, sending in a photograph of the wtntnet— line, sending in a photograph of the criminal instead of the wtgtnet— the criminal instead of the original passport holder. any tetew— original passport holder. any tetew tn— original passport holder. any delay in processing would often see delay in processing would often hnthenw— delay in processing would often see anthony beard himself off teetng— see anthony beard himself off teetng ee— see anthony beard himself off teetng ee the— see anthony beard himself off posing as the applicant, calling the teeeewt— posing as the applicant, calling the passport office to chase them — the passport office to chase them we— the passport office to chase them we . — the passport office to chase them we . t— the passport office to chase them up . e the passport office to chase them up . i e iti;ti.ti; them up. i haven't received the text . it's right and it's been text. it's right and it's been just over two weeks, so i want

to see if you've received it. that's all i'm phoning . for that's all i'm phoning. for phone. that's all i'm phoning. for phone . well i think so . time phone. well i think so. time premises clear. okay- i

other fugitives were also arrested as a direct result of the passport scam investigation. these are very high end organised crime networks . this organised crime networks. this could obviously have the- could obviously have the means to pay— could obviously have the means te eew tw— could obviously have the means te eew tw e— could obviously have the means te eew ten e tete— could obviously have the means to pay for a fake passport that when— to pay for a fake passport that when enwthtng— to pay for a fake passport that when anything from up to theee.— when anything from up to £15,000, which - when anything from up to £15,000, which obviously allowed them — £15,000, which obviously allowed them te— £15,000, which obviously allowed them to travel— £15,000, which obviously allowed them to travel internationally , them to travel internationally, i'd them to travel internationally, t-t twen— them to travel internationally, i'd turn round— them to travel internationally, i'd turn round and say that this the— i'd turn round and say that this was the golden— i'd turn round and say that this was the golden ticket for the wgenteet— was the golden ticket for the organised networks organised crime networks in ween— organised crime networks in ween-thew— organised crime networks in order they evade order that they could evade enet — order that they could evade arrest, evade— order that they could evade arrest, evade identity by local tew— arrest, evade identity by local law enforcement,— arrest, evade identity by local law enforcement, either internationally or at home in the— internationally or at home in the-anthenw— internationally or at home in the anthony beard was the uk. anthony beard was eewettw— the uk. anthony beard was eewettw-ee- the uk. anthony beard was secretly-as he - the uk. anthony beard was secretly as he met some secretly filmed as he met some of secretly filmed as he met some et theee— secretly filmed as he met some et theee htgh— secretly filmed as he met some of those high ranking criminals heetng— of those high ranking criminals heetng te— of those high ranking criminals hoping to receive— of those high ranking criminals hoping to receive a passport hen— hoping to receive a passport then he — hoping to receive a passport from him. in— hoping to receive a passport from him. “ i from him. in another covert audio recording , christopher audio recording, christopher btec could be heard telling beard what one passport recipient has wanted for his wife for voluntary murder, kidnapping, kidnapping, hostage taking elle edwards use of arms , drug trafficking, arms and ammunition trafficking, cybercrime money laundering and serious injury. this investigation exposed a worrying

weakness in the uk's passport application system, which allowed criminals to exploit the documentary new process. the home office says those processes have since been tightened , with have since been tightened, with anthony beard and christopher btec now behind bars. the national crime agency says it believes beard obtained hundreds of fraudulent passports for criminals over the more than two decades he operated . mark white decades he operated. mark white well , it's a decades he operated. mark white well, it's a very decades he operated. mark white well , it's a very shocking well, it's a very shocking report there from mark white. but what annoys me is that man, hnthenw— but what annoys me is that man, hnthenw hewet— but what annoys me is that man, anthony beard, who for two teeetee— anthony beard, who for two decades has— anthony beard, who for two decades has done all he can at greet— decades has done all he can at great financial— decades has done all he can at great financial advantage to when— great financial advantage to himself-help— great financial advantage to himself help serious himself to help serious criminals— himself to help serious criminals get- himself to help serious criminals get passports and come and criminals get passports and come ent ttwe— criminals get passports and come ent ttwe ent— criminals get passports and come and live and operate in this eewntew— and live and operate in this eewntnw. the— and live and operate in this country. the prison sentence for thet— country. the prison sentence for thet te— country. the prison sentence for thet te eh— country. the prison sentence for that is six years. _ country. the prison sentence for that is six years. he'll serve three— that is six years. he'll serve thnee ent— that is six years. he'll serve three and be— that is six years. he'll serve three and be out— that is six years. he'll serve three and be out . and who knows, three and be out. and who knows, newte— three and be out. and who knows, newte te— three and be out. and who knows, newte te tt— three and be out. and who knows, newte te tt ett— three and be out. and who knows, maybe do it all again . and that maybe do it all again. and that tnwee— maybe do it all again. and that the ne— maybe do it all again. and that drives me mad.— maybe do it all again. and that drives me mad. in— maybe do it all again. and that drives me mad. in a moment. ttteheet— drives me mad. in a moment. michael gove's_ drives me mad. in a moment. michael gove's renters reform tttt— michael gove's renters reform tttt te— michael gove's renters reform tttt te twe— michael gove's renters reform bill is due before— michael gove's renters reform bill is due before parliament

tomorrow , so— bill is due before parliament tomorrow , so i— bill is due before parliament tomorrow , so i have had so much tomorrow, so i have had so much teetteeh— tomorrow, so i have had so much feedback from _ tomorrow, so i have had so much feedback from viewers and ttetenene— feedback from viewers and listeners as— feedback from viewers and listeners as to _ feedback from viewers and listeners as to what a disaster it listeners as to what a disaster tt te. — listeners as to what a disaster tt te. wete— listeners as to what a disaster it is. we're going— listeners as to what a disaster it is. we're going to delve

well, michael gove's renters reform bill was supposed to come before the house commons last before the house of commons last week. we're now told it'll heeeen— we're now told it'll happen tomorrow . but week. we're now told it'll happen tomorrow . but i've happen tomorrow. but since i've tewehet— happen tomorrow. but since i've touched - subject - happen tomorrow. but since i've touched subject and the touched on this subject and the ehengee— touched on this subject and the ehengeeltex— touched on this subject and the changes-tax laws— touched on this subject and the changes tax laws and to changes to tax laws and to negwtettene— changes to tax laws and to regulations, the— changes to tax laws and to regulations, the number of eeeete— regulations, the number of eeeete getttng— regulations, the number of people getting in touch to say, teew— people getting in touch to say, teeh. wew— people getting in touch to say, look, you know,— people getting in touch to say, look, you know, we're involved in look, you know, we're involved tn the— look, you know, we're involved tn the tenth— look, you know, we're involved in the rental market, but we're thtnhtng— in the rental market, but we're thtnhtng-ewt- in the rental market, but we're thinking-outlit. in the rental market, but we're thinking-outlit .i thinking of getting out of it. all thinking of getting out of it. at et— thinking of getting out of it. all of which— thinking of getting out of it. all of which means it's harder ent— all of which means it's harder ent-tw— all of which means it's harder ent-tet eeeete- all of which means it's harder and -for people to- all of which means it's harder and for people to find and harder for people to find eteeee— and harder for people to find eteeeeltent— and harder for people to find places-rent and- and harder for people to find places rent and that the places to rent and that the teete— places to rent and that the costs are going— places to rent and that the costs are going way above costs are going up way above tnttetten. — costs are going up way above inflation. ian,— costs are going up way above inflation. ian, i— costs are going up way above inflation. ian, i think this is a inflation. ian, i think this is ewetw— inflation. ian, i think this is ewenw teet— inflation. ian, i think this is a very real issue. a couple of ewenetee— a very real issue. a couple of examples here.— a very real issue. a couple of examples here. mario from wenheneten— examples here. mario from northampton says , i'm a landlord northampton says, i'm a landlord and northampton says, i'm a landlord ent the— northampton says, i'm a landlord ent the hen— northampton says, i'm a landlord and the main issues are are nengege— and the main issues are are nengege teete— and the main issues are are mortgage costs only that businesses— mortgage costs only that businesses now can't write those teete— businesses now can't write those eeete ett— businesses now can't write those costs off against— businesses now can't write those costs off against their income, net— costs off against their income, net tetng— costs off against their income, not being able— costs off against their income, not being able to— costs off against their income, not being able to reclaim your property—

not being able to reclaim your eteeenw ettet— not being able to reclaim your eteeenw ettet e— not being able to reclaim your property after a contract is up . ant— property after a contract is up . ant tet— property after a contract is up . and bob says,— property after a contract is up . and bob says, we are the tenttwte— . and bob says, we are the landlords of— . and bob says, we are the landlords of three flats. we are tenttng— landlords of three flats. we are tenttng et— landlords of three flats. we are now renting at a— landlords of three flats. we are now renting at a loss . our good now renting at a loss. our good tenente— now renting at a loss. our good tenente ee— now renting at a loss. our good tenants are at— now renting at a loss. our good tenants are at risk— now renting at a loss. our good tenants are at risk if we have to tenants are at risk if we have te eett— tenants are at risk if we have te eett te— tenants are at risk if we have to sell to avoid— tenants are at risk if we have to sell to avoid losing money. ant— to sell to avoid losing money. ant he— to sell to avoid losing money. and he makes— to sell to avoid losing money. and he makes a— to sell to avoid losing money. and he makes a point here. lpc ennw— and he makes a point here. lpc ennet te— and he makes a point here. lpc cannot be achieved— and he makes a point here. lpc cannot be achieved on a grade twe— cannot be achieved on a grade twe twttttng— cannot be achieved on a grade two building. now this means gewetnnent— two building. now this means government environmental etentette— government environmental etentente ee— government environmental standards as we head towards net enettw— standards as we head towards net zero are pretty meaningless. s on zero are pretty meaningless. s en e greete— zero are pretty meaningless. s en e gnete twe— zero are pretty meaningless. s on a grade two listed building . on a grade two listed building. wett— on a grade two listed building. wett tethtng— on a grade two listed building. well, joining me— on a grade two listed building. well, joining me is ben beadle, tenttwt— well, joining me is ben beadle, tenttwt ent— well, joining me is ben beadle, landlord and chief— well, joining me is ben beadle, landlord and chief executive of the national— landlord and chief executive of the national residential tenttwte— the national residential landlords association , asian. landlords association, asian. bent— landlords association, asian. ben, welcome— landlords association, asian. ben, welcome to— landlords association, asian. ben, welcome to the programme. are we— ben, welcome to the programme. are we heetng— ben, welcome to the programme. are we hoping with— ben, welcome to the programme. are we hoping with this delay of a are we hoping with this delay of e weet— are we hoping with this delay of e weeh thet— are we hoping with this delay of a week that michael gove might hewe— a week that michael gove might hewe the— a week that michael gove might have seen the light . cj“ t gt; have seen the light. oh, nigel, i have seen the light. oh, nigel, tthtnh— have seen the light. oh, nigel, i think we're optimists, but i wouldn't say we're that that optimist . wouldn't say we're that that optimist. nick look, we have to see the detail of the bill tomorrow afternoon . you know, tomorrow afternoon. you know, our stance on this will

reiterate what a lot of people have been in touch with you about whether you like them or loathe them. landlords must have confidence in the changes that are coming. if they don't , well, are coming. if they don't, well, you know, they can invest elsewhere and that will be bad news for everybody. yeah. do we have news for everybody. yeah. do we hewe enw— news for everybody. yeah. do we hewe enw teee.— news for everybody. yeah. do we have any idea, you— news for everybody. yeah. do we have any idea, you know- news for everybody. yeah. do we have any idea, you know ,- ig : yeah. do we have any idea, you know , up have any idea, you know, up wnttt— have any idea, you know, up wnttt new— have any idea, you know, up until now, within— have any idea, you know, up until now, within the last year or so, how many— until now, within the last year or so, how many properties have teen— or so, how many properties have teen teten— or so, how many properties have been taken off— or so, how many properties have been taken off the— or so, how many properties have been taken off the letting nehett— been taken off the letting market? well— been taken off the letting market? well it's a curious ettwetten— market? well it's a curious ettwetten . — market? well it's a curious situation . tit“ market? well it's a curious situation. session before christmas , the private rented christmas, the private rented sector had shrunk by about 250,000 homes. it's actually gone up since then. and what we know is we are forecasting the biggest level of disinvestment for a decade , and that is for for a decade, and that is for a multitude of reasons, not just because of rental reform, although rental reform needs to command the confidence of landlords , it's because of all landlords, it's because of all of the things that you've set out taxation , energy, mortgage out taxation, energy, mortgage costs . the average landlord will

costs. the average landlord will be looking at what they can get with their bank and thinking , with their bank and thinking, well, maybe it's less hassle that i sell and put my money there and i have some sympathy for that argument, which is why we need to get these reforms we do need to get these reforms right. oh, why, ben? why is right. why oh, why, ben? why is michael gove doing— right. why oh, why, ben? why is michael gove doing all- right. why oh, why, ben? why is michael gove doing all of- g“ 7 why is michael gove doing all of this ? michael gove doing all of this? wett— michael gove doing all of this? wett. tt-e— michael gove doing all of this? wett. tt-e e— michael gove doing all of this? wett. tt-e e wew— michael gove doing all of this? well, it's a very good— michael gove doing all of this? well, it's a very good question. know we're not building social homes . the build to rent sector homes. the build to rent sector much championed by the conservative government, equates to about 2% of the private rented sector. the press is roughly 20. it's a big beast. and, you know , i think we'd be and, you know, i think we'd be first to accept, nigel, that there are some issues around the edges , but let's not throw the edges, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater on this . you know, we have high this. you know, we have high levels of satisfaction in the sector, higher than what we've seen in the social sector, and we haven't seen some of the awful stories, frankly, that we have seen in the social sector

in the past few months. so what we want to see is good landlords championed and bad landlords rooted out that can't be a lot to ask, surely, but n i'm absolutely on your side on this because i know actually those in the end that will really lose out are people on low incomes , out are people on low incomes, students away at university and it's going to be a disaster if we carry on down this route. ben beadle, thank you for tethtng— ben beadle, thank you for tetntng ne— ben beadle, thank you for joining me this evening on gb wewe. — joining me this evening on gb wewe. wew— joining me this evening on gb news. now we've— joining me this evening on gb news. now we've got a couple of tenegee— news. now we've got a couple of barrages.barrages_ news. now we've got a couple of barrages barrages or barrages of barrages to more or teee— barrages of barrages to more or teee-enegnenne. - barrages of barrages to more or less programme. one is less end the programme. one is teett— less end the programme. one is seett whe— less end the programme. one is seett whe wee— less end the programme. one is scott who was with— less end the programme. one is scott who was with us apparently in bournemouth— scott who was with us apparently in bournemouth last week. i wenet— in bournemouth last week. i wenet whet— in bournemouth last week. i wonder what your thoughts were ehewt— wonder what your thoughts were etewt ten— wonder what your thoughts were about ben bradley leading a nettte— about ben bradley leading a rabble -from - about ben bradley leading a rabble-from the- about ben bradley leading a rabble from the red wall rabble of mps from the red wall ent— rabble of mps from the red wall ent te— rabble of mps from the red wall ent te wew— rabble of mps from the red wall and do you think— rabble of mps from the red wall and do you think rishi is over ? and do you think rishi is over? wett— and do you think rishi is over? wet-t— and do you think rishi is over? wett-t thtnh— and do you think rishi is over? well,-i think the- and do you think rishi is over? well, i think the red wall well, look, i think the red wall atte— well, look, i think the red wall mps-angry- well, look, i think the red wall whe-engw .- well, look, i think the red wall whe-engw . ttenwl well, look, i think the red wall mps angry . many of mps are pretty angry. many of then — mps are pretty angry. many of then wee— mps are pretty angry. many of them were very,— mps are pretty angry. many of them were very, very surprised to them were very, very surprised teleteetet— them were very, very surprised teleteetet tn— them were very, very surprised to.elected in the- them were very, very surprised to elected in the first to be elected in the first eteee— to be elected in the first eteee. ant— to be elected in the first eteee. ant t— to be elected in the first place. and i honestly think , you place. and i honestly think, you hnew— place. and i honestly think, you hnew .— place. and i honestly think, you hnew . thew— place. and i honestly think, you hnew . thew een— place. and i honestly think, you know , they can have their know, they can have their conferences— know, they can have their conferences in— know, they can have their conferences in bournemouth or the— conferences in bournemouth or thte weet— conferences in bournemouth or thte weeh tn— conferences in bournemouth or this week in london or whatever it this week in london or whatever tt te. — this week in london or whatever tt te. t— this week in london or whatever tt te. t wewtt— this week in london or whatever it is. i would have— this week in london or whatever it is. i would have thought tteht— it is. i would have thought rishi sunak— it is. i would have thought rishi sunak position as leader

is rishi sunak position as leader te enettw— rishi sunak position as leader te enettw eete— rishi sunak position as leader is pretty safe and— rishi sunak position as leader is pretty safe and secure. they wewtt— is pretty safe and secure. they wewtt teet— is pretty safe and secure. they would look absolutely ridiculous,— would look absolutely ridiculous, i- would look absolutely ridiculous, i guess, to get rid of ridiculous, i guess, to get rid et wet— ridiculous, i guess, to get rid of yet another— ridiculous, i guess, to get rid of yet another leader. so i thtnh— of yet another leader. so i thtnh wee— of yet another leader. so i think you're going to see red wett— think you're going to see red wett atte— think you're going to see red wall mps floundering around and nehw— wall mps floundering around and nenw et— wall mps floundering around and nenw et then— wall mps floundering around and many of them looking for other tete— many of them looking for other tete tetng— many of them looking for other jobs being fairly— many of them looking for other jobs being fairly certain thew-tt— jobs being fairly certain they'll lose— jobs being fairly certain they'll lose their seats next ween— they'll lose their seats next ween. thet-e— they'll lose their seats next year. that's view. let's go year. that's my view. let's go to year. that's my view. let's go te hethw— year. that's my view. let's go te hethw tn— year. that's my view. let's go to kathy in wycombe . to kathy in high wycombe. hi, whet.— to kathy in high wycombe. hi, wtget tn— to kathy in high wycombe. hi, wtget. t-nn hethw— to kathy in high wycombe. hi, nigel, i'm kathy bryant from high wycombe beekeeping association . fryston we've lost association. fryston we've lost a lot of bees in in this last winter . why are farmers being winter. why are farmers being allowed to use banned insecticides which are killing our bees ? oh, kathy , i can't our bees? oh, kathy, i can't give you an answer to that. i thought it was the asian- thought it was the asian hornets thet— thought it was the asian hornets thet wee— thought it was the asian hornets thet eeetng— thought it was the asian hornets that were posing a— thought it was the asian hornets that were posing a threat to the teee.— that were posing a threat to the teee. teet— that were posing a threat to the teee. teeh. t— that were posing a threat to the bees. look, i do— that were posing a threat to the bees. look, i do know bees are a wew— bees. look, i do know bees are a wenw tneehent— bees. look, i do know bees are a very important, very— bees. look, i do know bees are a very important, very vital part of very important, very vital part et-eeeeweten — very important, very vital part of ecosystem can't of our ecosystem. i can't eeeettteettw— of our ecosystem. i can't specifically -on . of our ecosystem. i can't specifically on any specifically answer on any eeettettee— specifically answer on any eeettettee .— specifically answer on any pesticides. i— specifically answer on any pesticides. i don't specifically answer on any pesticides . i don't know. these pesticides. i don't know. these twtee— pesticides. i don't know. these rules are endless.— pesticides. i don't know. these rules are endless. all i will say— rules are endless. all i will eew te— rules are endless. all i will eew te we— rules are endless. all i will say is we must— rules are endless. all i will say is we must be getting eenethtng— say is we must be getting something right, because i'm eeetng— something right, because i'm eeetng tnwe— something right, because i'm seeing more birds of prey in my hene— seeing more birds of prey in my home area than— seeing more birds of prey in my home area than i've ever seen in my home area than i've ever seen in nw the.— home area than i've ever seen in nw ttte. ttwet— home area than i've ever seen in my life. lived there— home area than i've ever seen in my life. lived there all my life

then— my life. lived there all my life then twe— my life. lived there all my life than i've ever— my life. lived there all my life than i've ever seen in my life. so than i've ever seen in my life. se we— than i've ever seen in my life. se we nwet— than i've ever seen in my life. so we must be— than i've ever seen in my life. so we must be in— than i've ever seen in my life. so we must be in terms of what ewtttng— so we must be in terms of what ewtttng en— so we must be in terms of what we're putting on the land, we nwet— we're putting on the land, we nwet te— we're putting on the land, we nwet te tetng— we're putting on the land, we must be doing things a little bit must be doing things a little ttt tettet— must be doing things a little bit better than— must be doing things a little bit better than we used to tetwe— bit better than we used to before. now— bit better than we used to before. now that is pretty much all before. now that is pretty much ett—tnen — before. now that is pretty much ett—tnen ne- before. now that is pretty much all—from me this- all you've got from me this ewentng— all you've got from me this ewentng|twt— all you've got from me this eveningibut-be- all you've got from me this evening but be handing evening, but i'll be handing over-moment- evening, but i'll be handing over-moment to- evening, but i'll be handing over moment to jacob over in a moment to jacob teee—hegg— over in a moment to jacob rees—mogg. jacob i'm so disappointed.— rees—mogg. jacob i'm so disappointed. i- rees—mogg. jacob i'm so disappointed. i mean, net ntgtetten— disappointed. i mean, net migration towards migration heading towards a ntttten. — migration heading towards a million. brexit— migration heading towards a million. brexit a failure million. brexit is a failure wnten— million. brexit is a failure under-tories- million. brexit is a failure under-tories ,- million. brexit is a failure under tories , isn't it? under the tories, isn't it? i ten-t— under the tories, isn't it? i ten-t thtnh— under the tories, isn't it? i don't think brexit-a- under the tories, isn't it? i don't think brexit a failure. don't think brexit is a failure. i don't think this a failure i don't think this is a failure of key to of tory management. the key to brexit and i both know is brexit is you and i both know is democratic control. whether with democratic control. whether with democratic do good democratic control you do good things things is up to things or bad things is up to you. all things or bad things is up to you . all i'm things or bad things is up to you. all i'm saying is with so nenw— you. all i'm saying is with so nenw et— you. all i'm saying is with so nenw et theee— you. all i'm saying is with so many of those red— all i'm saying is with so many of those red wall voters, tnntgtetten— many of those red wall voters, immigration was— many of those red wall voters, immigration was the issue. wett— immigration was the issue. wet-the- immigration was the issue. well,-the point- immigration was the issue. | well,-the point now well, we're at the point now where meant to come down where we were meant to come down from thousands from the hundreds of thousands to and to the tens of thousands. and we're we might come we're now hoping we might come down the to down from the millions to the hundreds thousands. and the hundreds of thousands. and the home the right home secretary is on the right side this. i think we need side of this. so i think we need to backing her. well, after to be backing her. well, after all, to be backing her. well, after ett the— to be backing her. well, after ett the te— to be backing her. well, after all, the 13 years,— to be backing her. well, after all, the 13 years, i— to be backing her. well, after all, the 13 years, i can't- i “t; well, after all, the 13 years, i can't back enwtetw— all, the 13 years, i can't back enwtetw-.— all, the 13 years, i can't back enwtetw-. we- all, the 13 years, i can't back anybody . we need you. you anybody really. we need you. you hnew.— anybody really. we need you. you hnew. twe— anybody really. we need you. you hnew. t-we enettw— anybody really. we need you. you know, i've pretty much given up on know, i've pretty much given up en-the— know, i've pretty much given up on-the tories.- know, i've pretty much given up on-the tories. i've- on home to the tories. i've gtwen— on home to the tories. i've gtwen we— on home to the tories. i've gtwen we en— on home to the tories. i've given up on-lot.- on home to the tories. i've given up on lot. i have to given up on you lot. i have to say,—

given up on you lot. i have to eew, teeet-e— given up on you lot. i have to eew, teeet-e getng— given up on you lot. i have to say, jacob's going to be with you— say, jacob's going to be with youla— say, jacob's going to be with you-a moment.- say, jacob's going to be with you a moment. the next say, jacob's going to be with you that'sment. the next say, jacob's going to be with you that's itent. the next say, jacob's going to be with you that's it from the next say, jacob's going to be with you that's it from me. e next say, jacob's going to be with you that's it from me. backt hour. that's it from me. back wtth— hour. that's it from me. back wtth wew— hour. that's it from me. back with you tomorrow at 7:00. but ha,— with you tomorrow at 7:00. but ha, the — with you tomorrow at 7:00. but first, the important weather first, the all important weather . nette— first, the all important weather . hello there. _ first, the all important weather . hello there. welcome- first, the all important weather . hello there. welcome to our latest gb news weather forecast. i'm greg dewhurst. latest gb news weather forecast. i'm greg dewhurst . well, sunny i'm greg dewhurst. well, sunny spells the next few days. spells over the next few days. there is the risk of some rain in the forecast. largely affecting the north and north—west of the uk at times. looking at the bigger picture, high pressure holds on keeping most weather systems at bay, but just notice they will scoot across the far north at times. this weather front perhaps sinking little further south sinking a little further south by friday, tuesday ends on a quiet note. plenty of clear spells to end the day, perhaps just a few lingering showers. initially but overnight, it should be largely dry. and with that high pressure around and light winds, we could just see a few mist and fog patches. and under the clear skies turning quite chilly. temperatures mid single , perhaps an single figures, perhaps an isolated of grass frost to isolated touch of grass frost to start wednesday morning. but that spells, though that means sunny spells, though it cloudier across eastern it is cloudier across eastern areas first thing. but the cloud

tends to lift and break a little, perhaps just enough for a few light showers across central southern england for the afternoon . and then just one of afternoon. and then just one of those weather fronts skirting the north of scotland . in the far north of scotland. in between where we get the sunny spells, temperatures lifting largely mid to high teens, largely the mid to high teens, perhaps 19 or across perhaps 19 or 20, across southern parts of england and wales into the evening time on wednesday , the cloud starts to wednesday, the cloud starts to melt away again. we see largely dry nights, still some rain and drizzle affecting central and northern parts of scotland, but generally light and patchy in nature. a few mist and fog patches again developing towards the end of the night and temperatures under those clear spells, perhaps dipping into single figures . so a dry start single figures. so a dry start for most of us on thursday morning. a grey start in places, but the sunshine soon reappears. there'll be plenty of dry weather to come for many, even though the sun might be a bit hazy at times. but a weak weather front will move into parts of northern ireland, western few western scotland give a few splashes here and again splashes of rain here and again temperatures teens low temperatures high teens to low 20s few more showers

20s perhaps a few more showers around friday, but saturday is looking dry and temperatures again high low 20s.