belt. also, should obesity be enemee— belt. also, should obesity be renamed so people aren't effeneeee— renamed so people aren't offended.7 and- renamed so people aren't offended.7 and why have the nhs deeded— offended.7 and why have the nhs decided there— offended.7 and why have the nhs decided there are— offended.7 and why have the nhs decided there are now 18 gendere— decided there are now 18 genders? i'll— decided there are now 18 genders? i'll be putting that to tonight-e— genders? i'll be putting that to tonight's newsmaker free speech champion— tonight's newsmaker free speech champion toby— tonight's newsmaker free speech champion toby young . champion toby young. se— champion toby young. so much— champion toby young. so much to- champion toby young. so much to get through. you will not went— so much to get through. you will not went to— so much to get through. you will not want to miss— so much to get through. you will not want to miss that. harry and meghan— not want to miss that. harry and meghan monologue at ten. but fleet,— meghan monologue at ten. but flee, the— meghan monologue at ten. but first, the headlines with rory smith— first, the headlines with rory smith .— first, the headlines with rory smith . — first, the headlines with rory smith . cheers— first, the headlines with rory smith . cheers ,_ first, the headlines with rory smith . (tens? first, the headlines with rory smith . smith. cheers, mark. the latest from the gb newsroom . a man who from the gb newsroom. a man who conned victims out of more than £100 million has been jailed . £100 million has been jailed. t.j. fletcher founded the website facebook, which allowed criminals to make phone calls to victims pretending they were from trusted companies. it was brought down last year in the uk's biggest fraud sting. the 35 year old has been sentenced to

13 years and four months in prison. detect active superintendent helen runs says he clearly didn't care about the harm he was causing before it was shut down. i was constantly growing — was shut down. i was constantly growing witn— was shut down. i was constantly growing with 700— was shut down. i was constantly growing with 700 new- : i was constantly growing with 700 new users iegieienng— growing with 700 new users registering every week and it earning— registering every week and it eoining .— registering every week and it was earning . £80,000 per week . was earning. £80,000 per week. iieienei— was earning. £80,000 per week. iieienei woe— was earning. £80,000 per week. fletcher was leading an extravagant— fletcher was leading an extravagant lifestyle, benefiting - extravagant lifestyle, benefiting from the profits, noving— benefiting from the profits, noving no— benefiting from the profits, having no care— benefiting from the profits, having no care for the misery he was responsible— having no care for the misery he was responsible for— having no care for the misery he was responsible for the parents of o— was responsible for the parents of a disabled— was responsible for the parents of a disabled teenagerjailed of a disabled teenager jailed for gooe— of a disabled teenager jailed for gross negligence, manslaughter , slaughter have had manslaughter, slaughter have had ineii— manslaughter, slaughter have had their sentences— manslaughter, slaughter have had their sentences increased. keen— their sentences increased. keely titford _ their sentences increased. keely titford ,_ their sentences increased. keely titford , who - their sentences increased. keely titford , who was morbidly keely titford, who was morbidly obese and bedridden , died at her obese and bedridden, died at her home in newton in 2020 after suffering from an infection. her mother, sarah lloyd—jones, who admitted the charge , will now admitted the charge, will now serve eight years instead of six. and her father, alan, who pleaded not guilty , will serve pleaded not guilty, will serve ten years. the brother of tv

star phillip schofield has been jailed for 12 years for child sex offences. timothy schofield, who was a civilian police worker, committed 11 offences between 2016 and 2019. the boy, who was abused by the 54 year old was praised for his remarkable bravery in coming forward around 600 people have been evacuated from villages in western spain , which are being western spain, which are being threatened by a wildfire . the threatened by a wildfire. the blaze has already destroyed some 20,000 acres of land that's near the border with portugal . while the border with portugal. while officials believe it may have been started by arsonists . the been started by arsonists. the us has announced new sanctions on russia targeting future energy revenues and military supply chains. well, it's part of a wave of fresh punishments over the war in ukraine, which have been announced by g7 leaders at a meeting in japan earlier, the uk said it would be banning imports of russian

diamonds, copper, aluminium and nickel . well ukraine's president nickel. well ukraine's president met the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman on the sidelines of the arab league summit in jeddah . vladimir summit in jeddah. vladimir zelenskyy has also held meetings with the leaders of oman , kuwait with the leaders of oman, kuwait and the uae . gulf countries have and the uae. gulf countries have tried to remain neutral on the war in ukraine. but in a speech to the summit, war in ukraine. but in a speech to the summit , president to the summit, president zelenskyy called out those who have been turning a blind eye. bofis have been turning a blind eye. boris johnson's wife, carrie, is pregnant with the couple's third child. she announced on instagram they are expecting a sibling for wilf and romy in just a few weeks time. carrie said she's been feeling pretty exhausted for much of the last eight months, but they are looking forward to welcoming the newest member of the family very .soon newest member of the family very . soon tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now, though, back to .

back to. mark welcome to back to. mark- . welcome to mark back to. mark— . welcome to mark dolan noon in innin— . welcome to mark dolan tonight welcome to mark dolan tonight with a - welcome to mark dolan tonight niin o nnioio— . welcome to mark dolan tonight with a major national— with a major national conservatism conference noooening— conservatism conference happening this week has rishi sonok— happening this week has rishi sonok ioei— happening this week has rishi sunak lost the _ happening this week has rishi sunak lost the conservative iiveee— sunak lost the conservative iiveee aieo— sunak lost the conservative lives? also with— sunak lost the conservative lives? also with a company recruitment— lives? also with a company recruitment service censoring ooieeiivee— recruitment service censoring ooieeiivee oni— recruitment service censoring adjectives and the tate gallery enonging— adjectives and the tate gallery enonging on— adjectives and the tate gallery changing an artist's pronouns. 60 changing an artist's pronouns. eo yeoie— changing an artist's pronouns. eo yeoie oner— changing an artist's pronouns. 60 years after her death has the nono— 60 years after her death has the none gone— 60 years after her death has the world gone mad?— 60 years after her death has the world gone mad? also was covid and world gone mad? also was covid one one— world gone mad? also was covid and the response— world gone mad? also was covid and the response to— world gone mad? also was covid and the response to it the iiggeei— and the response to it the iiggeei no— and the response to it the biggest ”p in— and the response to it the biggest up in history ? i'll be biggest up in history? i'll be ioineo— biggest up in history? i'll be ioineo by— biggest up in history? i'll be ioineo by o— biggest up in history? i'll be ioineo by o oo— biggest up in history? i'll be joined by a top us author who eoye— joined by a top us author who says lockdowns_ joined by a top us author who says lockdowns were an unforgivable _ says lockdowns were an unforgivable mistake. plus i'll be ioking— unforgivable mistake. plus i'll be ioking your— unforgivable mistake. plus i'll be taking your video calls in a eoeoioi— be taking your video calls in a special instalment of dial i>oion — special instalment of dial i>oion iii— special instalment of dial dolan. i'll be— special instalment of dial dolan. i'll be asking you , my dolan. i'll be asking you, my oni— dolan. i'll be asking you, my viewers and listeners is nigel ioioge— viewers and listeners is nigel ioioge igni— viewers and listeners is nigel farage right that— viewers and listeners is nigel farage right that we've been let down— farage right that we've been let down by— farage right that we've been let down by politicians over brexit oni— down by politicians over brexit one is— down by politicians over brexit one is o— down by politicians over brexit one is o ew— down by politicians over brexit ono is o app— down by politicians over brexit and is a new app logs domestic enoieee— and is a new app logs domestic enoieee are— and is a new app logs domestic chores? are men— and is a new app logs domestic chores? are men still useless in the chores? are men still useless in one noweee— chores? are men still useless in one noweee wo— chores? are men still useless in the house? no comment in my big

opinion— the house? no comment in my big opinion ii-e— the house? no comment in my big opinion, it's been— the house? no comment in my big opinion, it's been revealed niiioin— opinion, it's been revealed niiioin ow— opinion, it's been revealed britain now has- opinion, it's been revealed britain now has fewer billionaires- britain now has fewer billionaires .- britain now has fewer billionaires . why is this bad billionaires. why is this bad noi— billionaires. why is this bad ioi wow— billionaires. why is this bad news for you and me? well, ieeowee— news for you and me? well, because this— news for you and me? well, because this war— news for you and me? well, because this war on wealth might win o— because this war on wealth might win o new— because this war on wealth might win o iew oneoo— because this war on wealth might win a few cheap headlines, but it's win a few cheap headlines, but we o— win a few cheap headlines, but we o nee— win a few cheap headlines, but we o io— win a few cheap headlines, but it's a race to the— win a few cheap headlines, but it's a race to the bottom and win— it's a race to the bottom and wiii non— it's a race to the bottom and wiii non ine— it's a race to the bottom and will hurt the poorest in our society— will hurt the poorest in our eoeiew .— will hurt the poorest in our eoeieiw . we— will hurt the poorest in our society . we also got the nhs and society. we also got the nhs and why— society. we also got the nhs and wnw inew-we— society. we also got the nhs and why they've decided to have 18 genes.— why they've decided to have 18 genoeie. iii— why they've decided to have 18 genders. i'll be— why they've decided to have 18 genders. i'll be putting that to ionigni-e— genders. i'll be putting that to tonight's newsmaker free speech enonoion— tonight's newsmaker free speech enonnpion ioiw— tonight's newsmaker free speech champion toby young. plus, we've got champion toby young. plus, we've goo o— champion toby young. plus, we've goi o oeweiooing— champion toby young. plus, we've got a developing story . the got a developing story. the eieoioi— got a developing story. the eeoioi oi— got a developing story. the creator of a _ got a developing story. the creator of a freedom of speech pod— creator of a freedom of speech poo eoei, — creator of a freedom of speech pod cast, which— creator of a freedom of speech pod cast, which is— creator of a freedom of speech pod cast, which is called ingononeiw— pod cast, which is called trigonometry .- pod cast, which is called trigonometry . constantine kissin trigonometry. constantine kissin has announced— trigonometry. constantine kissin has announced online that his oonnoonw— has announced online that his eonoonw oni— has announced online that his company and his— has announced online that his company and his podcast has been defined— company and his podcast has been defined by— company and his podcast has been defunded by their— company and his podcast has been defunded by their own bank. we-ii— defunded by their own bank. we-ii ioin— defunded by their own bank. ne-ii ioin we— defunded by their own bank. he'll join us after 10:00 to en— he'll join us after 10:00 to ieii we— he'll join us after 10:00 to ieii we wnw— he'll join us after 10:00 to ieii we wnw .— he'll join us after 10:00 to tell us why . also, why do people tell us why. also, why do people nnweo— tell us why. also, why do people nnweo inw— tell us why. also, why do people murder my mark— tell us why. also, why do people murder my mark meets guest is the murder my mark meets guest is one ioieneie— murder my mark meets guest is the forensic psychiatrist whose job the forensic psychiatrist whose ioi ii— the forensic psychiatrist whose ioi ii is— the forensic psychiatrist whose on ii is io— the forensic psychiatrist whose job it is to rehabilitate some of one— job it is to rehabilitate some of one woiei— job it is to rehabilitate some of the worst monsters in our society.— of the worst monsters in our eoeiew. con— of the worst monsters in our society. can they— of the worst monsters in our society. can they be cured? it nigni— society. can they be cured? it nigni towe— society. can they be cured? it nigni iowe oi— society. can they be cured? it might take at ten. i'll be oeoiing— might take at ten. i'll be dealing with— might take at ten. i'll be dealing with the duke and oneness— dealing with the duke and oneness oi— dealing with the duke and duchess of sussex and their wiioiw— duchess of sussex and their wildly exaggerated claims of a car chase. these—

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concert autism conference run by a concert autism conference run by o igni— concert autism conference run by ongni ieoning— concert autism conference run by a right leaning us— concert autism conference run by a right leaning us think tank wnien— a right leaning us think tank wnien noe— a right leaning us think tank which has featured contributions nonn— which has featured contributions from one— which has featured contributions from the likes— which has featured contributions from the likes of— which has featured contributions from the likes of my excellent eoiieogwe— from the likes of my excellent colleague jacob— from the likes of my excellent colleague jacob rees—mogg, iiienoei— colleague jacob rees—mogg, michael gove— colleague jacob rees—mogg, michael gove and suella braverman with the home seeieiow— braverman with the home secretary seemingly striking out at secretary seemingly striking out oi nei— secretary seemingly striking out oi new ow— secretary seemingly striking out at her own government's innigioiion— at her own government's immigration policy , she and the immigration policy, she and the eo—eoiieo— immigration policy, she and the so—called culture— immigration policy, she and the so—called culture wars in what perceived— so—called culture wars in what some perceived as— so—called culture wars in what some perceived as an early bid for one— some perceived as an early bid for one ion— some perceived as an early bid for the tory leadership should nieni— for the tory leadership should nieni sinow— for the tory leadership should rishi sunak lose— for the tory leadership should rishi sunak lose the next eieeiion— rishi sunak lose the next election. given- rishi sunak lose the next election. given the fact that onio— election. given the fact that one eveni— election. given the fact that this event enjoyed much support nonn— this event enjoyed much support from ion— this event enjoyed much support from tory grassroots and several nign— from tory grassroots and several nign oioiiie— from tory grassroots and several high profile media— from tory grassroots and several high profile media academe and ooiiiieoi— high profile media academe and political figures, _ high profile media academe and political figures, does it show now— political figures, does it show how detached— political figures, does it show how detached mainstream tories nove— how detached mainstream tories nowe ieeonne— how detached mainstream tories have become from _ how detached mainstream tories have become from their own movem— have become from their own movement? has— have become from their own movement? has rishi sunak lost the conservatives— movement? has rishi sunak lost the conservatives ?_ movement? has rishi sunak lost the conservatives ? to debate the conservatives? to debate onio— the conservatives? to debate gig, in— the conservatives? to debate this, i'm delighted to welcome ioiiiieo— this, i'm delighted to welcome politico commentator and author of cneeie— politico commentator and author of cneeie iii— politico commentator and author of cheers mr churchill . winston of cheers mr churchill. winston in seoiiono— of cheers mr churchill. winston in seoiiono .— of cheers mr churchill. winston in scotland . it's— of cheers mr churchill. winston in scotland . it's out now. it's in scotland. it's out now. it's winning— in scotland. it's out now. it's winning rowe— in scotland. it's out now. it's winning rave reviews . its winning rave reviews. its owinon— winning rave reviews. its author, andrew little , joins me author, andrew little, joins me wi— author, andrew little, joins me now. hi, andrew.— author, andrew little, joins me now. hi, andrew. hi, mark. inonis— now. hi, andrew. hi, mark. inonio wen— now. hi, andrew. hi, mark. thanks very much- now. hi, andrew. hi, mark. thanks very much for- now. hi, andrew. hi, mark. thanks very much for having me. great to have you in the studio . ae— great to have you in the studio . we nieni — great to have you in the studio . as rishi sunak— great to have you in the studio . as rishi sunak lost the

concen— . as rishi sunak lost the concert as-i- . as rishi sunak lost the| concert as-i think . as rishi sunak lost the- concert as-i think it's concert as well. i think it's interesting, isn't it? the conference interesting, isn't it? the. conference .mentioned interesting, isn't it? the. conference - mentioned , interesting, isn't it? the- conference-mentioned , and conference you mentioned, and indeed— conference you mentioned, and indeed one— conference you mentioned, and indeed the national democratic the conservative _ indeed the national democratic the conservative democratic oigonieoiion— the conservative democratic. organisation _earlier organisation conference earlier , onese— organisation conference earlier , ineee-iiie— organisation conference earlier ,ineee-iii>e,— organisation conference earlier , these mps , senior people , these are mps, senior people in one— , these are mps, senior people in the conservative party who do inew-ie— in the conservative party who do inew-ie noi— in the conservative party who do inew-ie noi goite— in the conservative party who do they're not quite an open ieieiiion— they're not quite an open ieieiiion .— they're not quite an open rebellion , but- they're not quite an open rebellion , but they're certainly rebellion, but they're certainly ogiioiing. — rebellion, but they're certainly agitating. _think- rebellion, but they're certainly agitating. think as you agitating. and i think as you sow— agitating. and i think as you eon-inno— agitating. and i think as you said intro, they're very said in your intro, they're very noon—wnoi- said in your intro, they're very much _what may. said in your intro, they're very- much _what may happen much looking to what may happen win— much looking to what may happen win one— much looking to what may happen with the leadership— much looking to what may happen with the leadership after the me— with the leadership after the zoze geneioi— with the leadership after the 2024 general election. �*fw�*izgc 2024 general election. well, i get cowniieoo— 2024 general election. well, i get countless emails to this program and program from viewers and listeners saying i'm listeners saying that i'm a former conservative voter, but i feel politically homeless as they're now quite invested in other alternatives like reform uk, led by richard tice . how uk, led by richard tice. how does rishi sunak fix this? because at the moment his movement seems to be fragmenting somewhat. ithink movement seems to be fragmenting somewhat. i think that's oieoiwieiw— somewhat. i think that's absolutely right.- i think that's absolutely right. and i'm enough of o— absolutely right. and i'm enough of a historian— absolutely right. and i'm enough of a historian to— absolutely right. and i'm enough of a historian to know that ineie-e— of a historian to know that ineie-e one— of a historian to know that there's one very- of a historian to know that there's one very true adage in ponies,— there's one very true adage in politics, which— there's one very true adage in politics, which is— there's one very true adage in politics, which is divided ponies— politics, which is divided parties don't— politics, which is divided parties don't win elections . and parties don't win elections. and noni— parties don't win elections. and ieieni i— parties don't win elections. and ieieni i ininw— parties don't win elections. and rishi, | think-had- parties don't win elections. and rishi, i think had a huge rishi, i think has had a huge woiienn— rishi, i think has had a huge pioiiennline— rishi, i think has had a huge problem the fact that he problem in the fact that he noon-i— problem in the fact that he hasn't really— problem in the fact that he hasn't really got kind of hasn't really got any kind of nonooie— hasn't really got any kind of mandate and— hasn't really got any kind of mandate and he— hasn't really got any kind of mandate and he hasn't got a nonooie— mandate and he hasn't got a mandate from _ mandate and he hasn't got a mandate from the membership . mandate from the membership. onwioweiw— mandate from the membership. obviously, against mandate from the membership. obvi

mandate from the membership. obvi

weak. i think he almost seems to be weak. i think he almost seems to ie niiing— weak. i think he almost seems to ie niiing iionn — weak. i think he almost seems to be hiding from the— weak. i think he almost seems to be hiding from the public, from his be hiding from the public, from no ow— be hiding from the public, from no poww— be hiding from the public, from his own party, and i don't think he his own party, and i don't think ne noe— his own party, and i don't think ne noe ieoiiw— his own party, and i don't think he has really, to— his own party, and i don't think he has really, to be honest, the enonenno— he has really, to be honest, the charisma and— he has really, to be honest, the charisma and the— he has really, to be honest, the charisma and the kind of intellectual— charisma and the kind of intellectual heft to pull the party— intellectual heft to pull the party through _ intellectual heft to pull the party through. he's something of a party through. he's something of o ieennoeioi,— party through. he's something of a technocrat, isn't— party through. he's something of a technocrat, isn't he? ' i: a technocrat, isn't he? and he's all a technocrat, isn't he? and he's oii oiowi— a technocrat, isn't he? and he's all about delivery. but that may not be enough in a year's time when he goes to the country. i think that's quite right.- think that's quite right. and i ininw— think that's quite right. and i ininw inoi— think that's quite right. and i think that what— think that's quite right. and i think that what we've seen this think that's quite right. and i think with what we've seen this think that's quite right. and i think with whatthe ve seen this think that's quite right. and i think with whatthe various this week with with the various conferences— week with with the various conferences is,— week with with the various conferences is, is the conservative - conferences is, is the conservative party looking for a way— conservative party looking for a wow io— conservative party looking for a wow io eew— conservative party looking for a way to renew itself ? and i think way to renew itself? and i think it's way to renew itself? and i think we werw— way to renew itself? and i think it's very revealing— way to renew itself? and i think it's very revealing that rishi sonok— it's very revealing that rishi sonok ion-i— it's very revealing that rishi sunak isn't really involved in inoee— sunak isn't really involved in those discussions is what we nove— those discussions is what we nowe-know- those discussions is what we nowe-know .- those discussions is what we have know , attempts to have is, you know, attempts to fini— have is, you know, attempts to iini o— have is, you know, attempts to iini o ew— have is, you know, attempts to find a new purpose , i think for find a new purpose, i think for the conservative— find a new purpose, i think for the conservative party, while it's the conservative party, while we iooking— the conservative party, while it's looking to— the conservative party, while it's looking to conserve the conservative _ it's looking to conserve the conservative party historically is conservative party historically iewew— conservative party historically ie werw gooe— conservative party historically ie werw gooi oi— conservative party historically is very good at renewing itself oni— is very good at renewing itself oni ewoiwing. — is very good at renewing itself and evolving. that's why it's ine— and evolving. that's why it's ine ioriee— and evolving. that's why it's the tories have— and evolving. that's why it's the tories have won lots of eieeiione— the tories have won lots of elections over— the tories have won lots of elections over the last 200 weore— elections over the last 200 weore oni— elections over the last 200 weore oni i— elections over the last 200 years and i think it's very iniereeiing— years and i think it's very interesting that rishi isn't inwoiwei— interesting that rishi isn't involved in— interesting that rishi isn't involved in those discussions oni— involved in those discussions one-poww— involved in those discussions and party doesn't seem to and the party doesn't seem to inink— and the party doesn't seem to inink inoi— and the party doesn't seem to think that he— and the party doesn't seem to think that he has— and the party doesn't seem to think that he has a future in inern. — think that he has a future in inern. .— think that he has a future in them. .i thought- think that he has a future in them. .i thought this. think that he has a future in. them. .i thought this sort them. yes, i thought this sort of off spin of, of a sort of

tory movement , this conservative tory movement, this conservative conference which has been put on by us conservative think tank. by a us conservative think tank. i thought it was indulgent and i thought the only clear winner was was keir starmer. don't you think the right need to consolidate otherwise labour will win power? i think that is true. as i said earlier, i think iiwiiei— true. as i said earlier, i think divided parties— as i said earlier, i think divided parties definitely do as i said earlier, i think diviwin.3arties definitely do as i said earlier, i think diviwin.:)

mav— work. and i think, as you say, now now— work. and i think, as you say, now now oniw— work. and i think, as you say, may may only benefit the labour party— may may only benefit the labour ioriw in— may may only benefit the labour ioriw in ine— may may only benefit the labour party in ine iong— may may only benefit the labour party in the long run. churchill's— party in the long run. churchill's greatest- party in the long run. churchill's greatest admirer in contemporary politics is one bofis contemporary politics is one boris johnson . do you think boris johnson. do you think there is a potential opening for bofis there is a potential opening for boris johnson should things fall away for rishi sunak and should he lose the next election? well i thought it was interesting that the conservative democratic organisation conference to me had a slight , organisation conference to me had a slight, almost a jacobite feel to it of kind of people gathering to toast the king over the water. but it had that eiigniiw— the water. but it had that- slightly—perhaps slightly wistful air of perhaps it's slightly wistful air of perhaps we noi— slightly wistful air of perhaps it's not really— slightly wistful air of perhaps it's not really going to happen oni— it's not really going to happen oni i— it's not really going to happen oni i io— it's not really going to happen and i do think— it's not really going to happen and i do think that boris might be, roiner— and i do think that boris might be, rather than— and i do think that boris might be, rather than like churchill mav— be, rather than like churchill now-iike— be, rather than like churchill may-like bonnie. be, rather than like churchill may like bonnie prince may be more like bonnie prince cnoriie— may be more like bonnie prince charlie-sense— may be more like bonnie prince charlie-sense he'll- may be more like bonnie prince charlie sense he'll come charlie in the sense he'll come nook— charlie in the sense he'll come nook-gren— charlie in the sense he'll come back great aplomb , but it back with a great aplomb, but it won-i— back with a great aplomb, but it won-i ii— back with a great aplomb, but it won-i ii won-i— back with a great aplomb, but it won't it won't amount to much . i won't it won't amount to much. i inni— won't it won't amount to much. i inink oe— won't it won't amount to much. i inink oelwow— won't it won't amount to much. i think as.you said— won't it won't amount to much. i think as you said correctly think as as you said correctly in ine— think as as you said correctly in the introduction, really, oeooie—io- in the introduction, really,| people _to after in the introduction, really,- people _to after the people are looking to after the generoi—ininki general election, i don't think inere-e— general election, i don't think inere-e noon— general election, i don't think there's much appetite the there's much appetite in the conservative— there's much appetite in the conservative parliamentary partyi— conservative parliamentary ooriw, oi— conservative parliamentary ooriw, oi ieoei— conservative parliamentary party, at least for another go at party, at least for another go oi-ieoier- party, at least for another go at leader within. party, at least for another go. at-leader within. do at changing leader within. do you— at changing leader within. do wow inini— at changing leader within. do woo inini ine— at changing leader within. do you think the whole- at changing leader within. do you think the whole movement, do you think the whole movement, do you think the whole movement, do you think that conservatives are just exhaust ed and out of ideas and need a break? is that why they're themselves all

they're allowing themselves all of ? because if of this infighting? because if they were serious about another five years of they would five years of power, they would fall into line the that fall into line in the way that many those labour many of those labour backbenchers stayed quiet for three terms of tony blair in order to win. i think that's a very good point. i think that inie— very good point. i think that we eieoriw— very good point. i think that this clearly is— orig g: ithink that this clearly is happening ieoowee— this clearly is happening because the— this clearly is happening because the party's been in power— because the party's been in power or— because the party's been in power ior o— because the party's been in power for a long- because the party's been in power for a long time . i think power for a long time. i think ii-e— power for a long time. i think we eiigniiw— power for a long time. i think it's slightly lost— power for a long time. i think it's slightly lost its way. ioeeiiiw— it's slightly lost its way.| possibly-really it's slightly lost its way.- possibly-really know possibly it doesn't really know why— possibly it doesn't really know wnwlwonie— possibly it doesn't really know wnwlwonie io — possibly it doesn't really know why wants to stay in why it wants to stay in government. - government. we were talking ieiore—oir- government. we were talking before—air about| government. we were talking. before—air about the before we came on air about the eiiwoiion— before we came on air about the situation-scotland— before we came on air about the situation scotland where situation in scotland where i rive.— situation in scotland where i rive-ine— situation in scotland where i rive-ine-inl live. i think the snp is in a very— live. i think the snp is in a new eirniior— live. i think the snp is in a very similar been live. i think the snp is in a. very similar-been in very similar position, been in power— very similar position, been in power-iong— very similar position, been in power-long time.- very similar position, been in power long time. they're power for a long time. they're now—onori- power for a long time. they're now—ooori -l power for a long time. they're. now—ooori . ani now starting to split apart. and so now starting to split apart. and eo-ii-e— now starting to split apart. and eo-ii-e o— now starting to split apart. and so _it's a symptom . now starting to split apart. and so it's a symptom of so i do think it's a symptom of a party— so i do think it's a symptom of o ooriw inoi— so i do think it's a symptom of a party that perhaps has been in gowernrneni— a party that perhaps has been in government-and- a party that perhaps has been in government-and is- government too long and is ieeoeroie— government too long and is desperate for— government too long and is desperate for some kind of renewoi. a— desperate for some kind of renewal. a sense of a new purpose— renewal. a sense of a new owrooee oe— renewal. a sense of a new owrooee oe io— renewal. a sense of a new purpose as to why it should be eieeiei— purpose as to why it should be elected again.— purpose as to why it should be elected again. and what's your weriiei— elected again. and what's your weriiei on— elected again. and what's your verdict on starmer? jizzi verdict on starmer? do you think neo— verdict on starmer? do you think ne-o o— verdict on starmer? do you think he's a shoo in for number 10? how you anticipate the how do you anticipate the outcome of the next election ? outcome of the next election? oh gosh, no . no easy questions oh gosh, no. no easy questions nee.— oh gosh, no. no easy questions nere. wag.— oh gosh, no. no easy questions nere. weon i— oh gosh, no. no easy questions here. yeah i think— oh gosh, no. no easy questions here. yeah i think we will quote you— here. yeah i think we will quote won on— here. yeah i think we will quote wow on i.— here. yeah i think we will quote won on i. i— here. yeah i think we will quote you on it. i think— here. yeah i think we will quote you on it. i think i— here. yeah i think we will quote you on it. i think i think keir

noe— you on it. i think i think keir noe been— you on it. i think i think keir noe been very— you on it. i think i think keir has been very fortunate in the iirne— has been very fortunate in the iirne inoi— has been very fortunate in the time that he's— has been very fortunate in the time that he's been leader, given— time that he's been leader, giwen ine— time that he's been leader, given the issues- time that he's been leader, given the issues that the conservative _ given the issues that the conservative party have had . conservative party have had. inoi— conservative party have had. inoi being— conservative party have had. that being said,— conservative party have had. that being said, i think he has gone— that being said, i think he has ionelgreoi— that being said, i think he has done great modernise done a great deal to modernise the done a great deal to modernise ine—wnien- done a great deal to modernise the—which shouldl done a great deal to modernise the them which should done a great deal to modernise the them wiposition. ld put them in a good position. wneiner— put them in a good position. wneiner or— put them in a good position. whether or not— put them in a good position. whether or not he'll be able to one— whether or not he'll be able to gwiie win— whether or not he'll be able to gwiie win o— whether or not he'll be able to quite win a majority i think is eiiii— quite win a majority i think is eiiii-rnini— quite win a majority i think is still,-mindllittle- quite win a majority i think is still, mind little bit still, in my mind a little bit wneeoirin— still, in my mind a little bit uncertain. but— still, in my mind a little bit uncertain. but if— still, in my mind a little bit uncertain. but if i were a ieiiing— uncertain. but if i were a betting man,— uncertain. but if i were a betting man, i'd say he'll oroioiiw— betting man, i'd say he'll probably-next- betting man, i'd say he'll probably next prime probably be the next prime iiinieier— probably be the next prime minister-or- probably be the next prime. minister-or-other. minister one way or the other. and—what- minister one way or the other.| and—what we and it comes back to what we talked— and it comes back to what we- talked—mentioned talked about when you mentioned churcmu. — talked about when you mentioned churcmu. _isl talked about when you mentioned churcicharisma_is. talked about when you mentioned churcicharisma ._is. talked about when you mentioned churcicharisma . and-is. talked about when you mentioned church"? ' 2 «win; talked about when you mentioned chui�*cietwet�*e : «ruin; $3“ about charisma. and yes, rishi sunakis about charisma. and yes, rishi sunak is no oscar wilde. he's no bods sunak is no oscar wilde. he's no boris johnson. to be fair. but he's probably a more compelling character than keir starmer. i just wonder whether if our system is increasingly presidential, whether it's a face off between sunak and starmer, perhaps just in terms of personalities, sunak edges it. i think that's certainly possible, particularly in terms of his experience . i mean, of his experience. i mean, they're of his experience. i mean, they-re both— of his experience. i mean, they're both quite- " f i mean, they're both quite experienced people— they're both quite experienced people in— they're both quite experienced people in terms— they're both quite experienced people in terms of their life before— people in terms of their life before politics. _ people in terms of their life before politics. but you might make— before politics. but you might make a— before politics. but you might make e-ehee— before politics. but you might make a-that-has. make a case that rishi has a useful— make a case that rishi has a more useful background, possibly as a as a leader— more useful background, possibly as a as a leader of— more useful background, possibly as a as a leader of the country inw- as a as a leader of the country in-eeenemie-ul in difficult economic times. i do_weu,_

in difficult economic times. i do well, obviously do think as well, obviously personalities— do think as well, obviously personalities do matter, but often— personalities do matter, but often riem— personalities do matter, but often rishi board and ability , often rishi board and ability, we den-e— often rishi board and ability, we don't count— often rishi board and ability, we don't count that much. i mean, you have— we don't count that much. i mean, you have to think of 1945 end— mean, you have to think of 1945 and churchill's— mean, you have to think of 1945 and churchill's defeat there to and churchill's defeat there to a much— and churchill's defeat there to a much more, i— and churchill's defeat there to a much more, i suppose , boring, a much more, i suppose, boring, you— a much more, i suppose, boring, you might— a much more, i suppose, boring, you might soy,— a much more, i suppose, boring, you might eoy o— a much more, i suppose, boring, you might say, a few clement amee-e— you might say, a few clement attlee's labour— you might say, a few clement attlee's labour party. so so i flunk,— attlee's labour party. so so i think, you— attlee's labour party. so so i think, you know,— attlee's labour party. so so i think, you know, there's hope for keir— think, you know, there's hope for keir there— think, you know, there's hope for keir there will we, will we have in— for keir there will we, will we ever have in our— for keir there will we, will we ever have in our lifetimes another— ever have in our lifetimes another politician of the canoe — another politician of the calibre of _ another politician of the calibre of winston churchill .7 calibre of winston churchill? is calibre of winston churchill? u there— calibre of winston churchill? is there anyone— calibre of winston churchill? is there anyone in— calibre of winston churchill? is there anyone in the- calibre of winston churchill? is there anyone in the commons that's even 1% as special as he was ? well, i think that was? well, i think that churchill— was? well, i think that churchill was- , well, i think that churchill was very fortunate. wen,— churchill was very fortunate. weu, woe— churchill was very fortunate. weu, very— churchill was very fortunate. well, was very much a product of his well, was very much a product of we wee.— well, was very much a product of his time i— well, was very much a product of his time. i mean,— well, was very much a product of his time. i mean, it's worth remembering,— his time. i mean, it's worth remembering, of course, that he we— remembering, of course, that he his career— remembering, of course, that he was his career was— remembering, of course, that he was his career was largely wwweu— was his career was largely written-until- was his career was largely written until all the kind written off until all the kind of wooe— written off until all the kind of tote-ano— written off until all the kind of late and those of late 1930. and those circumstances- of late 1930. and those circumstances allowed him to deploy— circumstances allowed him to oiewoy wee— circumstances allowed him to display the brilliant characteristics that we all benefited— characteristics that we all benefited from - characteristics that we all benefited from when he when he kept— benefited from when he when he kept us— benefited from when he when he kept us we— benefited from when he when he kept us we we— benefited from when he when he kept us in the war— benefited from when he when he kept us in the war in 1940. i oon-e— kept us in the war in 1940. i oon-e wink— kept us in the war in 1940. i don't think looking around the ooruomeuoowy— don't think looking around the parliamentary party on either ewe— parliamentary party on either side today,— parliamentary party on either side today you— parliamentary party on either side today, you see someone of woe— side today, you see someone of new quality.— side today, you see someone of woe ououoy. wo—

side today, you see someone of that quality. no but i am hopeful— that quality. no but i am popepp for— that quality. no but i am hopeful for the future. i think wooe— hopeful for the future. i think that w— hopeful for the future. i think that if we— hopeful for the future. i think that if we keep— hopeful for the future. i think that if we keep investing in pouweoue— that if we keep investing in pouweioue .— that if we keep investing in politicians , try— that if we keep investing in politicians , try and get new, politicians, try and get new, different— politicians, try and get new, different people into politics, if we— different people into politics, if we eon— different people into politics, if we can find— different people into politics, if we can find the churchill's of we— if we can find the churchill's of the future,— if we can find the churchill's of the future, i— if we can find the churchill's of the future, i think that's a preop— of the future, i think that's a great spout— of the future, i think that's a great shout and— of the future, i think that's a great shout and fewer great shout and perhaps fewer career politicians,— great shout and perhaps fewer career politicians, after all, took— career politicians, after all, took oe— career politicians, after all, took at we — career politicians, after all, look at the career that churchill— look at the career that churchill before he look at the career that- churchill-before he entered churchill had before he entered the churchill had before he entered me como— churchill had before he entered the commons. _ churchill had before he entered the commons . swig churchill had before he entered the commons. swig churchill had before he entered the commons . swig the commons. my thanks to andrew. i'm going plug his andrew. i'm going to plug his book second, but we've book in a second, but we've just been you before show been asking you before the show on twitter, has rishi sunak lost the conservatives? the results are in and 85% say yes, are now in and 85% say yes, while . a meagre 15% say no. they while. a meagre 15% say no. they are still on board. my thanks to the wonderful, remarkable and very, very articulate and through the wonderful andrew little and his book is out now. it is called cheers. mr churchill . winston in scotland. churchill. winston in scotland. brilliant stuff. lots more to come . and there's the book. it's come. and there's the book. it's out now . groundbreaking, says out now. groundbreaking, says the top historian andrew roberts. coming up, we're going to talk about nigel farage this week, my brilliant colleague

said that politicians have failed us on brexit. i'll be asking my viewers and listeners, is that true? also are men still useless in the home? and on covid, was it the biggest up in history ? we'll speak to a top us history? we'll speak to a top us author who says exactly that. but next up, we're going to do the world's gone mad, strong and dynamic , too masculine, dynamic, too masculine, apparently . we'll discuss that apparently. we'll discuss that next with leo curse .

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and they don't get much better than this. take a look at that, folks. on arnie. that is almost photographically accurate, isn't it ? this is by stephen smith , it? this is by stephen smith, who is an artist, a very highly talented one. portrait and landscape artist . stephen, thank landscape artist. stephen, thank you for that. you've done an amazing job, although i'm not nearly handsome, let's be nearly that handsome, let's be honest. stephen put honest. although stephen put a bit more effort into this one. mark look at that for people watching— mark look at that for people watching om— mark look at that for people watching on radio, which is oeeuouy— watching on radio, which is actually impossible because it's not o— actually impossible because it's not o weuow— actually impossible because it's not a visual medium. this is a picture— not a visual medium. this is a picture moo— not a visual medium. this is a picture that he's— not a visual medium. this is a picture that he's done with pome— picture that he's done with pomee of— picture that he's done with pomoe of me— picture that he's done with paints of me, yours is just what mm— paints of me, yours is just what mm mon— paints of me, yours is just what that cannot believe it . that cannot believe it. all i got— that cannot believe it. all i got was— that cannot believe it. all i got n— that cannot believe it. all i got a pn— that cannot believe it. all i got was a bit of— that cannot believe it. all i got was a bit of pencil. that cannot believe it. all i got was a bit of pencil . yeah. got was a bit of pencil. yeah. he clearly run out of he likes me more gutted. devastated. well that was the voice of the wonderful leo acas, who just joins me in a moment because it's joins me in a moment because wsfime joins me in a moment because it's time now for an occasional new item on the show called the world's mad, which world's gone mad, in which we look most bonkers look at some of the most bonkers stories of week and helping stories of the week and helping me do that is the aforementioned

leo kearse let's start this leo kearse let's start with this one. exclusive to one. and this is exclusive to mark gb news mark dolan tonight gb news employee has been sent leaked details of a large uk based business who have banned certain words from their recruitment process. in an example of woke overdrive, a company's recruitment service has advised its employees to get rid of the words strong and dynamic on the bafis words strong and dynamic on the basis of macho , masculine and basis of macho, masculine and western culture centred attitudes is shocking stuff . attitudes is shocking stuff. your reaction? leo the world's gone mad. it's mental. and also onese— gone mad. it's mental. and also meee people— gone mad. it's mental. and also these people claim— gone mad. it's mental. and also these people claim to- g “3: it's mental. and also these people claim to be pnopneeewe— these people claim to be progressive lviv, but they're saying— progressive lviv, but they're eoymp you— progressive lviv, but they're eoymp you eon-n— progressive lviv, but they're saying you can't use words like ewonp— saying you can't use words like strong one— saying you can't use words like strong and dynamic because mey-ne— strong and dynamic because oney-ne mowe— strong and dynamic because they're male words. they're eoymp— they're male words. they're eoymp wo— they're male words. they're eoymp no, no— they're male words. they're saying, no, no woman has ever been— saying, no, no woman has ever been strong— saying, no, no woman has ever been strong on— saying, no, no woman has ever been strong or dynamic. that is the been strong or dynamic. that is me moon— been strong or dynamic. that is the most regressive, sexist mmo— the most regressive, sexist mmo me— the most regressive, sexist thing i've heard since well, emce— thing i've heard since well, since about— thing i've heard since well, since about five _ thing i've heard since well, since about five minutes ago wnen— since about five minutes ago wnen n— since about five minutes ago wnen n wnen— since about five minutes ago wnen n wnen n— since about five minutes ago when i when i listen to the gunmen.— when i when i listen to the guardian. but— when i when i listen to the guardian. but but yeah, i mean, it's guardian. but but yeah, i mean, we eo— guardian. but but yeah, i mean, we so we— guardian. but but yeah, i mean, we so we eo— guardian. but but yeah, i mean, it's so it's so counter what mey-ne— it's so it's so counter what oney-ne nymp— it's so it's so counter what they're trying to- it's so it's so counter what they're trying to do. yes moeeo. — they're trying to do. yes indeed. and- they're trying to do. yes indeed. and of-

they're trying to do. yes indeed. ' “z pansy. they're trying to do. yes indeed. ' “2 ntnzn. c they're trying to do. yes- indeed. and of course, it's all about bashing the west, isn't it? they couldn't resist mentioning that this is somehow kind of a western hierarchical structure. i mean , they're structure. i mean, they're desperate to write white supremacy , aren't they? i know. supremacy, aren't they? i know. i should imagine this job is i should imagine thisyjob is in i shwestimagine this job is in supremacy, aren't they? i know. i shwest .nagine this job is in supremacy, aren't they? i know. i shwest . it'sne this job is in supremacy, aren't they? i know. i shwest . it's not his job is in supremacy, aren't they? i know. i shwest . it's not going) is in supremacy, aren't they? i know. i shwest . it's not going to in supremacy, aren't they? i know. i shwest . it's not going to be the west. it's not going to be working— the west. it's not going to be working winn— the west. it's not going to be working with the— the west. it's not going to be working with the inuit or you mow.— working with the inuit or you know, harvesting the dolphins in japan-— know, harvesting the dolphins in japan- so— know, harvesting the dolphins in ppm so one— know, harvesting the dolphins in japan. so this is— know, harvesting the dolphins in japan. so this is this is a job moo-e— japan. so this is this is a job that's existing— japan. so this is this is a job that's existing in— japan. so this is this is a job that's existing in the west, in weenem— that's existing in the west, in western culture.— that's existing in the west, in western culture. and what's wrong— western culture. and what's wrong winn— western culture. and what's wrong with that? why have have we m— wrong with that? why have have we m we — wrong with that? why have have we in the west— wrong with that? why have have we in the west got— wrong with that? why have have we in the west got to talk down our we in the west got to talk down eunune— we in the west got to talk down our culture so— we in the west got to talk down our culture so much? i understand— our culture so much? i understand that, you know, mononu— understand that, you know, national pride— understand that, you know, national pride or pride in western— national pride or pride in western liberal democracy and all western liberal democracy and on on— western liberal democracy and on of ne— western liberal democracy and all of its achievements has peome— all of its achievements has become something that the enonennp— become something that the chattering classes don't like to do. chattering classes don't like to no. nun— chattering classes don't like to no. nun wny— chattering classes don't like to do. but why has— chattering classes don't like to do. but why has it— chattering classes don't like to do. but why has it got to flip meo— do. but why has it got to flip no me— do. but why has it got to flip into this constant self—flagellation ? ' “2 into this constant— self—flagellation ? and what's self—flagellation? and what's cunousis self—flagellation? and what's curious is that it has infect did a lot of the public sector and that might not surprise you. university his and of course the civil service et cetera you know we've had civil servants required to put their pronouns in emails and all the rest of it, but it's concerning now that this woke capture is happening

within corporations whose job it is in principle just to make money. but they've gone woke to . yeah. money. but they've gone woke to . yeah i money. but they've gone woke to . yeah. i mean, the trouble with eonpomnone— . yeah. i mean, the trouble with corporations these— yeah. i mean, the trouble with corporations these days is they move —no - corporations these days is they. nave—no opnoe have to have they have to abide by eso— have to have they have to abide by ese rupee— have to have they have to abide by ese nuwee .— have to have they have to abide by esg rules . so— have to have they have to abide by esg rules . so environmental, by esg rules. so environmental, nonw— by esg rules. so environmental, social one— by esg rules. so environmental, social and governance rules wnen— social and governance rules wnen meom— social and governance rules which means they've got to show mon— which means they've got to show mm mey-ne— which means they've got to show that they're reducing their oppon— that they're reducing their carbon footprint, employ enough mmonnee— carbon footprint, employ enough minorities and,— carbon footprint, employ enough minorities and, you know, being the minorities and, you know, being me nonn— minorities and, you know, being me none eon— minorities and, you know, being the right sort of— minorities and, you know, being the right sort of thinking so mon— the right sort of thinking so mm epine— the right sort of thinking so that spills over— the right sort of thinking so that spills over into into ridiculous— that spills over into into ridiculous actions like this wnene— ridiculous actions like this where they're— ridiculous actions like this where they're trying to get some of where they're trying to get some on moee — where they're trying to get some of those points.— where they're trying to get some of those points. they're trying to eo— of those points. they're trying no so mey— of those points. they're trying no no oney eon— of those points. they're trying to so they can turn around to nnoeweoew— to so they can turn around to blackrock whatever investment blackrock or whatever investment fund — blackrock or whatever investment fund .eoy — blackrock or whatever investment fund-soy. noon.— blackrock or whatever investment fund say, look, look, we've fund and say, look, look, we've done— fund and say, look, look, we've none—owl done all this stuff. look, our job— done all this stuff. look, our pop—eoye- done all this stuff. look, our pop—eoye .- done all this stuff. look, our pop—eoye . youl done all this stuff. look, our. job—says , you know, job application says, you know, you— job application says, you know, you eon-n— job application says, you know, you eon-n use— job application says, you know, you can't use these words. so we're-progressive. - you can't use these words. so we're progressive. so that we're being progressive. so that mon— we're being progressive. so that means that blackrock will say, yes, — means that blackrock will say, yee. you-e— means that blackrock will say, yes, you've collect— means that blackrock will say, yes, you've collect enough esg pomne. — yes, you've collect enough esg pomne. nee-e— yes, you've collect enough esg points. here's all— yes, you've collect enough esg points. here's all this money, nee-e— points. here's all this money, nene-e eme— points. here's all this money, here's this this— points. here's all this money, here's this this investment. but i here's this this investment. but n neon— here's this this investment. but n me— here's this this investment. but i mean, the reality— here's this this investment. but i mean, the reality is that compe— i mean, the reality is that companies should just focus on mowing— companies should just focus on making money— companies should just focus on making money as— companies should just focus on making money as soon as they way— making money as soon as they may from — making money as soon as they stray from that,— making money as soon as they stray from that, as— making money as soon as they stray from that, as soon as they soon— stray from that, as soon as they enon nymp— stray from that, as soon as they enon mm to— stray from that, as soon as they start trying to build a utopia for start trying to build a utopia non-pump.— start trying to build a utopia for-quickly, you- start trying to build a utopia for quickly, you know, for they quickly, you know, penny— for they quickly, you know, pneny—ewul for they quickly, you know,- pretty _evil that's

pretty much all the evil that's been— pretty much all the evil that's been done— pretty much all the evil that's been done m— pretty much all the evil that's been done in human history has been—on- been done in the pursuit of unoppo—anul been done in the pursuit of utopia,_and of| utopia, too. right. and of course , part is optics and course, part of it is optics and pretending to be a lovely, caring corporation, whereas often the opposite is the case. i mean, these are ruthless businesses that are there to make money. and this is just window dressing, isn't it? it's cosmetic . yeah. i mean, the cosmetic. yeah. i mean, the wnowe— cosmetic. yeah. i mean, the whole .whole _ cosmetic. yeah. i mean, the whole-whole-of. cosmetic. yeah. i mean, the. whole .whole-of esg cosmetic. yeah. i mean, the- whole-whole-of esg is whole the whole point of esg is to whole the whole point of esg is no-money— whole the whole point of esg is no-money n— whole the whole point of esg is no-money no no— whole the whole point of esg is to-money is to get- whole the whole point of esg is to money is to get the to make money is to get the mweenmem— to make money is to get the investment from _ to make money is to get the investment from from vanguard or nnoeweoew— investment from from vanguard or nwoeweoew on— investment from from vanguard or blackrock or whatever big investment _ blackrock or whatever big investment firm. and these these ompnee— investment firm. and these these companies control— investment firm. and these these companies control huge a huge oum— companies control huge a huge oum m— companies control huge a huge amount in the— companies control huge a huge amount in the investment that goes— amount in the investment that goes meo— amount in the investment that goes into companies. that's goes into companies. so that's why— goes into companies. so that's wny—non- why that's why netflix, for example— why that's why netflix, for example .— why that's why netflix, for example , all— why that's why netflix, for example , all the programs it example, all the programs it makes— example, all the programs it makes are generally pretty monon— makes are generally pretty rubbish because they're trying to new— rubbish because they're trying to new eo— rubbish because they're trying to tick so many— rubbish because they're trying to tick so many boxes and make mey-we— to tick so many boxes and make mey-we pon— to tick so many boxes and make sure they've got enough enough moon— sure they've got enough enough moon people— sure they've got enough enough black people playing. obviously wnne— black people playing. obviously white historical— black people playing. obviously white historical figures to get mose— white historical figures to get moee eso— white historical figures to get those esg points— white historical figures to get those esg points . �*fw�*nzxc those esg points. well, let's move on now, because you mentioned netflix being rubbish. well, it looks like comedy is for the chop as well , because for the chop as well, because the cambridge footlights the iconic cambridge footlights group have hired a sensitivity reading service to avoid causing

offence . yes. now let's have a offence. yes. now let's have a look at the legacy of cambridge footlights. they've produced monty python. david mitchell from peep show. you you name it, jack black what did you say? blackadder? blackadder and of course, stephen fry and peter cook and dudley moore. so as a top comedian, your reaction to the idea that there are going to be people reading jokes see the idea that there are going to bethey'ree reading jokes see the idea that there are going to bethey're offensive?>kes see the idea that there are going to bethey're offensive? yeah, see the idea that there are going to bethey're offensive? yeah, isee if they're offensive? yeah, i mean, comedy mean, the whole point of comedy is you kick back against the prevailing orthodoxy. you don't follow it. you know,— prevailing orthodoxy. you don't follow it. you know, this- c “g 2 you don't follow it. you know, this is nymp— follow it. you know, this is mm to— follow it. you know, this is trying to enforce, trying to enforce — trying to enforce, trying to enforce rules— trying to enforce, trying to enforce rules in- trying to enforce, trying to enforce rules in comedy . there enforce rules in comedy. there snowe— enforce rules in comedy. there enouw pe— enforce rules in comedy. there should be the— enforce rules in comedy. there should be the most free thinking peace.— should be the most free thinking place. you— should be the most free thinking place. you know,— should be the most free thinking place. you know, the stage snowe— place. you know, the stage enouw pe— place. you know, the stage should be a— place. you know, the stage should be a sacred place where wnene— should be a sacred place where wnene you— should be a sacred place where wnene you eon— should be a sacred place where where you can transgress against sonn— where you can transgress against social norms.— where you can transgress against social norms. but— where you can transgress against social norms. but they're trying to enforce— social norms. but they're trying to enforce these— social norms. but they're trying to enforce these rules like they would— to enforce these rules like they would m— to enforce these rules like they would in iran.— to enforce these rules like they would in iran. the,— to enforce these rules like they would in iran. the, you know, me— would in iran. the, you know, the ayatollah _ would in iran. the, you know, the ayatollah want to enforce onese— the ayatollah want to enforce meee—weoe- the ayatollah want to enforce these _ ideas so i the ayatollah want to enforcei these—ideas so you these theological ideas so you get these theological ideas so you gen flopped.— these theological ideas so you gen flopped. n— these theological ideas so you get flogged. if you don't abide by mem— get flogged. if you don't abide by men on— get flogged. if you don't abide by men on m— get flogged. if you don't abide by them or in russia, you've got to by them or in russia, you've got no mowe— by them or in russia, you've got no make eure— by them or in russia, you've got to make sure you— by them or in russia, you've got to make sure you don't criticise as to make sure you don't criticise oe pup..— to make sure you don't criticise oe nunn onu— to make sure you don't criticise as putin and it's— to make sure you don't criticise as putin and it's the same thing . mmo— as putin and it's the same thing , same thing here.— as putin and it's the same thing , same thing here. you know, pon— , same thing here. you know, we've got these— , same thing here. you know, we've got these these rules that

are we've got these these rules that governing— we've got these these rules that are governing our— we've got these these rules that are governing our culture and you— are governing our culture and you eon-n— are governing our culture and you come you— are governing our culture and you can't you can't push back opponen— you can't you can't push back opennen mem— you can't you can't push back against them. it's— you can't you can't push back against them. it's going to eompwenewy— against them. it's going to completely stifle comedy. even moupn— completely stifle comedy. even nnougn oney— completely stifle comedy. even nnougn oney eoy— completely stifle comedy. even though they say they say, oh, eme— though they say they say, oh, me we— though they say they say, oh, no, this is just— though they say they say, oh, no, this is just a— though they say they say, oh, no, this is just a it's just euppeenng— no, this is just a it's just suggesting we're making, man, now— suggesting we're making, man, now-supposed- suggesting we're making, man, how-supposed to- suggesting we're making, man, how supposed to how are how are you supposed to how are you—feet— how are you supposed to how are you—feet mee- how are you supposed to how are you—feet free no- how are you supposed to how are you _feel free to sayi you supposed to feel free to say wnon— you supposed to feel free to say wnon you— you supposed to feel free to say wnen you wom— you supposed to feel free to say what you want to _ you supposed to feel free to say what you want to say and mock wno— what you want to say and mock wno you— what you want to say and mock wno you wom— what you want to say and mock who you want to— what you want to say and mock who you want to mock. if you've got moee — who you want to mock. if you've got those rules— who you want to mock. if you've got those rules hanging over you , if got those rules hanging over you . m youe— got those rules hanging over you . m you-we-peopne— got those rules hanging over you , if you've people watching , if you've got people watching winn— , if you've got people watching wnen—no— , if you've got people watching wnen—nonm- , if you've got people watching wnen—no-m youl with clipboards to see if you mneepeow— with clipboards to see if you misspeak-think- with clipboards to see if you misspeak-think .- with clipboards to see if you misspeak think . and also misspeak or mis think. and also now— misspeak or mis think. and also now-soy.— misspeak or mis think. and also now-soy. you- misspeak or mis think. and also how-say, you know- misspeak or mis think. and also how say, you know , how can they say, you know, because— how can they say, you know, because they'll— how can they say, you know, because they'll see, oh no, youe— because they'll see, oh no, you're punching- because they'll see, oh no, you're punching up or you're punching— you're punching up or you're punching down.— you're punching up or you're punching down. it's like if i if youe— punching down. it's like if i if youe me— punching down. it's like if i if you're the people— punching down. it's like if i if you're the people with clipboards— you're the people with clipboards me clipboards standing over me neump— clipboards standing over me telling-where— clipboards standing over me telling where i'm punching, telling me where i'm punching, opwoueny— telling me where i'm punching, obviously-know,— telling me where i'm punching, obviously know, i'm when you obviously you know, i'm when you say obviously you know, i'm when you my n-m— obviously you know, i'm when you eoy n-m punching— obviously you know, i'm when you say i'm punching down, i'm actually— say i'm punching down, i'm actually punching up. / actually punching up. yeah. i me— actually punching up. yeah. i mean, the whole— actually punching up. yeah. i mean, the whole point comedy mean, the whole point of comedy is naughty. c.k. is that it's naughty. louis ck. the comedian, said comedy is saying things that you're not supposed to say out loud. that's what is. it's provocative what comedy is. it's provocative . and tests boundaries. . yeah. and it tests boundaries. that's not possible. you that's not possible. have you ever example of funny ever seen an example of funny woke comedy ? no, it tends not to woke comedy? no, it tends not to be, woke comedy? no, it tends not to be. because— woke comedy? no, it tends not to be, because it's— woke comedy? no, it tends not to be, because it's just— woke comedy? no, it tends not to be, because it's just it's- 22“ no, it tends not to be, because it's just it's just nepeonnp— be, because it's just it's just nepeonng me— be, because it's just it's just repeating the i— be, because it's just it's just repeating the i mean, you see

onese— repeating the i mean, you see meee meee— repeating the i mean, you see these these woke— repeating the i mean, you see these these woke comedians , they these these woke comedians, they oun— these these woke comedians, they out-one— these these woke comedians, they come out and they're come out on stage and they're likew— come out on stage and they're unelyeon— come out on stage and they're wnelyeon so— come out on stage and they're like,-yeah, so i'm- come out on stage and they're like, yeah, so i'm bisexual like, oh, yeah, so i'm bisexual one— like, oh, yeah, so i'm bisexual and pangender_ like, oh, yeah, so i'm bisexual and pangender deal with it, guys . ano— and pangender deal with it, guys . and no— and pangender deal with it, guys . and we wne— and pangender deal with it, guys . and it's like, it's— and pangender deal with it, guys . and it's like, it's 20, 23. nwenypooy— . and it's like, it's 20, 23. everybody dealt with it in the see. — everybody dealt with it in the see. were— everybody dealt with it in the 80s. we're fine— everybody dealt with it in the 80s. we're fine with now . 80s. we're fine with it now. moo-e— 80s. we're fine with it now. moo-e non— 80s. we're fine with it now. that's not shocking, you know 80s. we're fine with it now. that' i not shocking, you know 80s. we're fine with it now. that' i mean? cking, you know 80s. we're fine with it now. that' i mean? ckingme)u know 80s. we're fine with it now. that' i mean? ckingme aboutw 80s. we're fine with it now. that' i mean? ckingme about your what i mean? tell me about your accomplishments.— accomplishments. don't tell me moun— accomplishments. don't tell me about characteristics about your your characteristics mon— about your your characteristics mm youe— about your your characteristics moo you pum— about your your characteristics that you're just born with. tell me moun— that you're just born with. tell me about what— that you're just born with. tell me about what you've done. ' me about what you've done. a lot of me about what you've done. a lot eon-comedy— me about what you've done. a lot on-comeuy-ne- of work. comedy seems to be a political rant, audience political rant, and the audience clap and cheer, they don't clap and cheer, but they don't laugh. clapter instead laugh. it's clapter instead of laughter. and laugh. it's clapter instead of laughter . and the funny laugh. it's clapter instead of laughter. and the funny thing is the laughter. and the funny thing is ene-mmo— laughter. and the funny thing is ene-mmo n— laughter. and the funny thing is the-thing is laughter- 3 and the funny thing is the thing is laughter is the funny thing is laughter is an the funny thing is laughter is mesons—pe- the funny thing is laughter is onneeone—pe .- an involuntary response. cupping— an involuntary response.- cupping—moo clapping is something that youe— clapping is something that you-e mone— clapping is something that you've made a— clapping is something that you've made a decision to do. nonu— you've made a decision to do. noon .— you've made a decision to do. noon . wen.— you've made a decision to do. good . well, i've— you've made a decision to do. good . well, i've had- you've made a decision to do. good . well, i've had a- you've made a decision to do. good . well, i've had a rough good. well, i've had a rough case of clapter recently, but i'm pleased to that the i'm pleased to say that the cream let's now cream worked. let's talk now about tate who have about the tate gallery who have altered the pronouns of an artist they them. 60 years artist to they them. 60 years after her death . listen, this is after her death. listen, this is after her death. listen, this is a shocking story, isn't it ? this a shocking story, isn't it? this was an artist who was female, who was a lesbian . yeah. and she who was a lesbian. yeah. and she created great work. and she wore men's clothes. so the tate gallery of decided that she was

trans, even though the poor woman's been dead for 60 years. yeah, it's not coming from her. it's not her self—identify . it's not her self—identify. n-e. — it's not her self—identify. we. we— it's not her self—identify. it's. it's tate— it's not her self—identify. it's. it's tate identifying , and it's. it's tate identifying, and ne— it's. it's tate identifying, and it's ridiculous. _ it's. it's tate identifying, and it's ridiculous. i— it's. it's tate identifying, and it's ridiculous. i mean, people wno— it's ridiculous. i mean, people wno oe— it's ridiculous. i mean, people who are dead— it's ridiculous. i mean, people who are dead can't speak . so for who are dead can't speak. so for mem— who are dead can't speak. so for men oo— who are dead can't speak. so for them to postulate— who are dead can't speak. so for them to postulate on on what our gender— them to postulate on on what our genoen oe— them to postulate on on what our genoen oney— them to postulate on on what our gender was, they say , you know gender was, they say, you know next— gender was, they say, you know next new— gender was, they say, you know next new ou— gender was, they say, you know next next our pictures they say oh next next our pictures they say on .— next next our pictures they say on . ene— next next our pictures they say on . ene coupo— next next our pictures they say oh , she could have been oh, she could have been non—omm— oh, she could have been non—binary. been non—binary. she could have been woneoenoen— non—binary. she could have beeni transgender_ know, transgender for maybe, you know, moype— transgender for maybe, you know, moype ene— transgender for maybe, you know, maybe she wasn't— transgender for maybe, you know, maybe she wasn't any of that. woype — maybe she wasn't any of that. woype-woe— maybe she wasn't any of that. maybe .was like - maybe she wasn't any of that. maybe .was like a - maybe she wasn't any of that. maybe was like a lot of maybe she was like a lot of neenone.— maybe she was like a lot of lesbians. somebody who liked to weon-eommo— lesbians. somebody who liked to weon-eommo .— lesbians. somebody who liked to wear clothing . and i think wear male clothing. and i think a wear male clothing. and i think o-oeenone— wear male clothing. and i think a-lesbians feel- wear male clothing. and i think a lesbians feel erased by a lot of lesbians feel erased by by one— a lot of lesbians feel erased by by one eon— a lot of lesbians feel erased by by one eon on— a lot of lesbians feel erased by by this sort of push to make ewenyonmo— by this sort of push to make everything transgender and also, oooin— everything transgender and also, ooom n-e— everything transgender and also, opom. me o— everything transgender and also, opom. me o very— everything transgender and also, again, it's a very regressive mmo— again, it's a very regressive mmo oo— again, it's a very regressive mmo no do. — again, it's a very regressive thing to do. it's— again, it's a very regressive thing to do. it's a very old noemoneo.— thing to do. it's a very old fashioned, chauvinistic thing to do no— fashioned, chauvinistic thing to do no eoy— fashioned, chauvinistic thing to do no eoy. on.— fashioned, chauvinistic thing to do to say, oh, well, this person woeno— do to say, oh, well, this person wasn't dressing— do to say, oh, well, this person wasn't dressing according to wnoo— wasn't dressing according to wnoo we— wasn't dressing according to wnoo you— wasn't dressing according to what we, you know, the 50s norms of wnoo— what we, you know, the 50s norms of wnoo o— what we, you know, the 50s norms of what a woman— what we, you know, the 50s norms of what a woman would be oneeemo. — of what a woman would be dressing. she— of what a woman would be dressing. she wasn't wearing a flowery— dressing. she wasn't wearing a flowery enm— dressing. she wasn't wearing a flowery skirt. so— dressing. she wasn't wearing a flowery skirt. so she must be a man because she— flowery skirt. so she must be a man because she was wearing a eun— man because she was wearing a eun. n-e— man because she was wearing a eun. n-e une— man because she was wearing a eun. we like no— man because she was wearing a suit. it's like no women can wear whatever— suit. it's like no women can wear whatever they want. yeah for wear whatever they want. yeah non anu— wear whatever they want. yeah for sure. and it's— wear whatever they want. yeah for sure. and it's just- wear whatever they want. yeah for sure. '“n2 . for sure. and it's just this idea that somehow a woman i mean, that's how stereotypical

the trans ideology is , that the trans ideology is, that a woman in a short woman is somehow, in a short dress and giggling with with you know, like dylan mulvaney breasts popping out and all the rest of it. dylan mulvaney is une— rest of it. dylan mulvaney is wno—.- rest of it. dylan mulvaney isi nke.—. sne like, you know, girlhood. she cowe— like, you know, girlhood. she cone in.— like, you know, girlhood. she cone in. you— like, you know, girlhood. she calls it, you know, day 300 of girlhood- — calls it, you know, day 300 of girlhood- ne— calls it, you know, day 300 of girlhood. it's such— calls it, you know, day 300 of girlhood. it's such an outrageously offensive, stereotypical- outrageously offensive, stereotypical caricature , stereotypical caricature, opeoouoe— stereotypical caricature, absolute them to be honest. nney-ne— absolute them to be honest. nney-ne oneyne— absolute them to be honest. they're they're mocking they're moewno — they're they're mocking they're mocking everybody. ' “2 c they're they're mocking they're mocking everybody. ' “2 wig mocking everybody. and it's very annoying for any of my viewers and listeners, our viewers and listeners who are lesbian that they've had another icon taken off them. yeah, basically . and off them. yeah, basically. and they've done it. they've- 423“ {nzxcg and they've done it. they've done 41:5?“ i and they've done it. they've done it money— they've done it. they've done it another circumstances, the woke mop — another circumstances, the woke mop oeenoeo — another circumstances, the woke mob decided joan— another circumstances, the woke mob decided joan of arc was was eoeon— mob decided joan of arc was was somehow non—binary because she woeno— somehow non—binary because she woeno you— somehow non—binary because she woeno you mow.— somehow non—binary because she wasn't you know, she wasn't abiding— wasn't you know, she wasn't omomp py— wasn't you know, she wasn't abiding by traditional feminine norms and just— abiding by traditional feminine norms and just sitting inside oomo— norms and just sitting inside doing one— norms and just sitting inside doing the washing up. so noneewy.— doing the washing up. so honestly, these people are doing the honestly, these people are doing one work— honestly, these people are doing one work on— honestly, these people are doing the work of old— honestly, these people are doing the work of old fashioned male enouwmeoe— the work of old fashioned male chauvinists to— the work of old fashioned male chauvinists to call— the work of old fashioned male chauvinists to call themselves pnopneeewe. — chauvinists to call themselves progressive. that— chauvinists to call themselves progressive. that was supposed to be your job. yeah. leo i'm to be yourjob. yeah. leo i'm very excited because you're hosting headliners tonight. yep, i am. it's going to be a

peon— yep, i am. it's going to be a oneoo mow.— yep, i am. it's going to be a great show. so— yep, i am. it's going to be a great show. so yeah, lots of tone— great show. so yeah, lots of tone on— great show. so yeah, lots of tone on fun— great show. so yeah, lots of lots of fun stories. we've got mee— lots of fun stories. we've got three comedians— lots of fun stories. we've got three comedians going through tomorrow's news— three comedians going through tomorrow's news headlines. con-e— tomorrow's news headlines. con-ewon— tomorrow's news headlines. can't wait for— tomorrow's news headlines. can't wait for it. _ tomorrow's news headlines. can't wait for it. headliners at 11. as always, my thanks to the brilliant kearse. up brilliant leo kearse. coming up in daniel dolan, when i take your video calls is nigel in daniel dolan, when i take your vi rightalls is nigel in daniel dolan, when i take your vi right that is nigel in daniel dolan, when i take your vi right that politicians farage right that politicians have failed us on brexit and also are men still useless in the home? but next, were lockdowns the biggest up in history? we'll speak to a top author who says, yes, that's .

scotland and northern ireland. nom— scotland and northern ireland. nom eoemo— scotland and northern ireland. rain easing later— scotland and northern ireland. rain easing later. i'm jacob neee—noop— rain easing later. i'm jacob rees—mogg, the member of nonuomem— rees—mogg, the member of parliament for— rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east someneeo— parliament for north east somerset and— parliament for north east somerset and a former government mmneoen — somerset and a former government mmneoen non— somerset and a former government minister. for years— somerset and a former government minister. for years i— somerset and a former government minister. for years i have walked the corridors of power in both and the city of both westminster and the city of london. we need have the london. we need to have the arguments, on arguments, the discussions on how we better crop how we make it better crop failures, famine , war, suffering failures, famine, war, suffering on a scale completely unimaginable . we are putting the unimaginable. we are putting the cart before the horse . as

cart before the horse. as charles the first said at the scaffold, he was the true defender of liberty. yeah, i completely derailed- 22 c yeah, i completely derailed the conversation. - completely derailed the conversation. join me monday to nnuneooy— conversation. join me monday to nnuneooy-pm. — conversation. join me monday to nnuneooy-pm. on- conversation. join me monday to thursday pm. on gb news, thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, omom-e— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news channel. westminster _ britain's news channel. westminster is- britain's news channel. westminster is going around in ever decreasing circles, followed by the media. britain is broken . how on earth did we is broken. how on earth did we get into this mess? but more importantly, how do we get out of it ? join me at 7 pm. monday of it? join me at 7 pm. monday to thursday on farage here on gb news. we will have open rational debate. we've got to work out how britain moves forward from this . join us here on gb news. this. join us here on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . welcome back to the watching. welcome back to the show. now what's covid 19 and the show. now what's covid 19 and one eeponee— show. now what's covid 19 and the response to— show. now what's covid 19 and the response to it?— now what's covid 19 and the response to it? the biggest up n— the response to it? the biggest up n meoony— the response to it? the biggest up n meoony .— the response to it? the biggest up in history . did— the response to it? the biggest up in history. did we really need— up in history. did we really need on— up in history. did we really need on on— up in history. did we really need all of that- up in history. did we really need all of that economic damage?— need all of that economic damage? did— need all of that economic damage? did we need the lockdowns?— damage? did we need the lockdowns? did we need the mask monoooee— lockdowns? did we need the mask monoooee e— lockdowns? did we need the mask monoooee e p...— lockdowns? did we need the mask mandates ? ian miller is the mandates? ian miller is the oumon— mandates? ian miller is the oumon on— mandates? ian miller is the author of illusion of control. cowo— author of illusion of control.

cown m— author of illusion of control. covm 19 and— author of illusion of control. covid 19 and the collapse of nopemee. — covid 19 and the collapse of expertise. and— covid 19 and the collapse of expertise. and he joins me now . expertise. and he joins me now. hi, expertise. and he joins me now. m. p...— expertise. and he joins me now. m. p... . — expertise. and he joins me now. m. p... hey.— expertise. and he joins me now. hi, ian. hey, mark.- expertise. and he joins me now. hi, ian . can expertise. and he joins me now. hi, ian. can hi, ian. hey, mark. thanks so much for having me. your last book was about those mask mandates , which through data you mandates, which through data you demonstrate were pretty useless . why did you decide to create one— . why did you decide to create one wooeeo— . why did you decide to create this latest volume— why did you decide to create this latest volume in relation to one— this latest volume in relation to the pandemic— this latest volume in relation to the pandemic response . to the pandemic response. mom. — to the pandemic response. mono. wen.— to the pandemic response. right. well, it— to the pandemic response. right. well, it was- to the pandemic response. right. well, it was the- to the pandemic response. right. well, it was the idea was to kind of cover the second half of the pandemic as these policies kind of expanded. and we saw the messaging where we saw the messaging shift where initially saying , you initially they were saying, you know, to know, just wear anything to cover face, roll cover your face, just roll up a t shirt put it in front of t shirt and put it in front of your that'll that'll your face and that'll that'll stop . but then that stop the virus. but then that messaging shifted where said, stop the virus. but then that mezactuallyyhifted where said, stop the virus. but then that mezactually youzd where said, stop the virus. but then that mezactually you needere said, stop the virus. but then that mezactually you need ere wear, d, stop the virus. but then that me: know, .y you need ere wear, d, stop the virus. but then that me: know, ayou neederewear, d, stop the virus. but then that me: know, a higheraderewear, d, stop the virus. but then that me: know, a higher qualityzar, d, you know, a higher quality mask, an n95 mask, like an n95 mask, things like that, or passports to or use vaccine passports to control the virus. so the goal is to show with a lot of the same they were same data, you know, they were wrong too. wrong about that stuff too. so even wrong even though they're wrong at the beginning, didn't beginning, they they didn't learn they learn from their mistakes. they just more and more just kept trying more and more things didn't work. things that didn't work. over time . so it was kind of the goal time. so it was kind of the goal

was show that as well. and it was to show that as well. and it was to show that as well. and it was comprehensive was kind of a comprehensive failure. . failure. as you mentioned. indeed. so, mean, were failure. as you mentioned. i indeed. so,imean, were there indeed. so, i mean, were there ony— indeed. so, i mean, were there my oepeeoe— indeed. so, i mean, were there ony oepeeoe oo— indeed. so, i mean, were there any aspects to the— indeed. so, i mean, were there any aspects to the pandemic response that— any aspects to the pandemic response that did work? ian neuee— response that did work? ian neuee youn— response that did work? ian because your book, which is a peon— because your book, which is a oneoo neod— because your book, which is a oneoo neoo .— because your book, which is a oneoo neoo . ne— because your book, which is a great read , is quite . i don't great read, is quite. i don't neouy— great read, is quite. i don't neouy omm— great read, is quite. i don't really think so. - great read, is quite. i don't really think so. n2n1::n“ . really think so. i don't think we did anything right. i think outside of a few isolated areas, obviously sweden had as much of a light touch as they possibly could and what they did made some sense, but it was following established protocol. some sense, but it was following esta that'sd protocol. some sense, but it was following esta that'sd of protocol. some sense, but it was following esta that'sd of what rotocol. some sense, but it was following esta that'sd of what itocol. some sense, but it was following esta that'sd of what i bring some sense, but it was following estinhat'sd of what i bring some sense, but it was following estin the;d of what i bring some sense, but it was following estin the book of what i bring some sense, but it was following estin the book as what i bring some sense, but it was following estin the book as well: i bring some sense, but it was following estin the book as well: i itheg up in the book as well as the first know, we had first book is, you know, we had plans u.k. first book is, you know, we had plans uk. they had a plans in the uk. they had a plans in the uk. they had a plan pandemics, plan to deal with pandemics, with pandemics with respiratory virus pandemics . and they specifically omit masks. they never mention it, or it says masks are ineffective against transmission of against aerosol transmission of respiratory . and then respiratory viruses. and then they threw all that out when covid happened. they just kind of panicked tried threw of panicked and tried and threw everything the see everything at the wall to see if it would so you know, it would stick. so you know, i don't that what we was don't think that what we did was very was very effective. and not only was it it caused it effective, but it caused immense harm. and that's something now something that we're just now starting to deal with and ramifications it. well, ramifications of it. well, that's , ian. i ramifications of it. well, that's-, ian. i don'ti

ramifications of it. well,- that's-, ian. i don't know that's right, ian. i don't know wnoo-e— that's right, ian. i don't know what's happening america , but what's happening in america, but newe— here in the uk, we're experiencing thing very high excess deaths— experiencing thing very high excess deaths every week up onene— excess deaths every week up were won— excess deaths every week up there with the _ excess deaths every week up there with the worst moments in there with the worst moments in one ponoemne— there with the worst moments in one ponoemne .— there with the worst moments in the pandemic , which would the pandemic, which would demonstrate— the pandemic, which would demonstrate to— the pandemic, which would demonstrate to me that this deeme— demonstrate to me that this oeewe oo— demonstrate to me that this desire to preserve human health has desire to preserve human health noe eummomy— desire to preserve human health has summarily failed. you would expect— has summarily failed. you would expect .— has summarily failed. you would expect . onen— has summarily failed. you would expect , after all— has summarily failed. you would expect , after all these measures expect, after all these measures for excess deaths— expect, after all these measures for excess deaths to be below owenooe noo— for excess deaths to be below average, not above them after a ponoemne— average, not above them after a ponoemne une— average, not above them after a pandemic like exactly. . pandemic like exactly. it's oooouy— pandemic like exactly. it's totally inexplicable and to be fair, some of it was predictable . you know, the people were warning during the harsh lockdowns, during the mask , lockdowns, during the mask, dunng lockdowns, during the mask, during all these kind of restrictive, discriminatory measures that this could be the case, that there were going to be consequences of be knock on consequences of lockdowns and school closures and mass mandates to general population health and also to trust and expertise and trust in pubuc trust and expertise and trust in public health authorities. obviously i know you've been deaung obviously i know you've been dealing with lot know, dealing with a lot of, you know, the wait times skyrocketed throughout the pandemic. and, you has consequences. you know, that has consequences. people cancer screenings . people miss cancer screenings. they miss general health check—ups in large part because

people too scared to go to people were too scared to go to the hospitals the hospitals the hospitals or the hospitals were, short staffed or were, you know, short staffed or whatever it would be in the us here we fired a lot of health care workers because they didn't want vaccinated. so then want to get vaccinated. so then you staffing shortages to want to get vaccinated. so then yotalong staffing shortages to want to get vaccinated. so then yotalong withing shortages to want to get vaccinated. so then yotalong with all shortages to want to get vaccinated. so then yotalong with all these|ges to want to get vaccinated. so then yotalong with all these these» go along with all these these longer so it longer term consequences. so it really was a comprehensive failure and a lack of foresight to see this coming. however ian, the authorities in this country , scientific experts around the world, the majority of whom would argue that mask mandates the lockdowns and indeed vaccine mandates, saved thousands of lives and prevented hospitals from becoming overweight , helmed from becoming overweight, helmed they would argue that if we hadnt they would argue that if we hadn't had these measures, many more people would have died. your response ? right. well, your response? right. well, i think there's a great data dnven think there's a great data driven case to show that that's not the case. and that's what i bnng not the case. and that's what i bring up in the book. you know, in the first book, as well as the show, you know, we can make comparisons of areas that are similar sweden similar or, you know, sweden is

a but in the a good example. but here in the us, different us, we have a lot of different comparisons that tried comparisons of areas that tried vaccine tried vaccine mandates or tried vaccine mandates or tried vaccine passports mask vaccine passports and mask mandates to mandates compared to neighbouring areas that didn't. and you can that there's and you can see that there's absolutely difference . one absolutely no difference. one quick in new quick example is just in new york city, where they had very strict they this key strict rules. they had this key to york they to new york where they had a whole list of activities you were from if were banned from doing. if you didn't vaccine didn't have their their vaccine passport compared to neighbouring in new neighbouring counties in new jersey other parts of jersey and the other parts of new city, york state new york city, new york state area. there's absolutely area. and there's absolutely no difference in new york city. actually rate actually has a higher case rate and lot of and there's a lot of explanations that could explanations for why that could be. no you know, the be. but there's no you know, the these the same numbers even these are the same numbers even before they tried these policies. so it's not like there's big demographic there's a big demographic difference there. so you can point in your brilliant point out in your brilliant book, this experiment i'm book, did this experiment i'm very have certain book, did this experiment i'm very in have certain book, did this experiment i'm very in america; certain book, did this experiment i'm very in america ,certain book, did this experiment i'm very in america , like,in book, did this experiment i'm very in america , like, for states in america, like, for example, florida and texas , who example, florida and texas, who had a light touch compared to california and new york. similar outcomes. california and new york. similar outcomes . we're california and new york. - similar outcomes . we're lucky similar outcomes. we're lucky moo— similar outcomes. we're lucky moo we— similar outcomes. we're lucky moo we noo— similar outcomes. we're lucky that we had sweden because they are that we had sweden because they connote— that we had sweden because they are controls in— that we had sweden because they are controls in the— that we had sweden because they are controls in the experiment. pow.— are controls in the experiment. wow. you— are controls in the experiment. wow. your book.— are controls in the experiment. now, your book, part of the wne— now, your book, part of the one we— now, your book, part of the title is the— now, your book, part of the title is the collapse of

nopemee— title is the collapse of expertise and a real worry about the expertise and a real worry about one nume— expertise and a real worry about one rurure re— expertise and a real worry about the future is the— expertise and a real worry about the future is the lack of public reepeer— the future is the lack of public reepeer for— the future is the lack of public respect for the _ the future is the lack of public respect for the so—called opene— respect for the so—called expene. rne— respect for the so—called experts. the government , the experts. the government, the meme— experts. the government, the meme rne— experts. the government, the medics, the professors who took us medics, the professors who took ue oown — medics, the professors who took ue oown rne— medics, the professors who took us down this road— medics, the professors who took us down this road .— medics, the professors who took us down this road . what do you us down this road. what do you feet— us down this road. what do you reer opour— us down this road. what do you feel about that?— us down this road. what do you feel about that? the idea now for feel about that? the idea now ror eoe— feel about that? the idea now for some that— feel about that? the idea now for some that science is a four retren— for some that science is a four terrer wore— for some that science is a four terrer woro .— for some that science is a four terrerworo. — for some that science is a four letter word . yeah,- for some that science is a four letter word . yeah, i- for some that science is a four letter word . 11423“ letter word. yeah, i think that's one of the most dangerous, kind of underreported aspects of the pandemic. and i have a great respect for expertise obviously we need expertise and obviously we need it lives. but it in most of our lives. but i think that their lack of humility and a of humility and a lack of willingness to admit mistakes and that messed willingness to admit mistakes an(is that messed willingness to admit mistakes an(is what's that messed willingness to admit mistakes an(is what's harmingt messed willingness to admit mistakes an(is what's harming them messed willingness to admit mistakes an(is what's harming them down ad up is what's harming them down the you know, people would the road. you know, people would have a lot more respect, i think, if they said , you think, if they just said, you know, didn't we didn't know, look, we didn't we didn't have all the best information or we with we we did the best with what we knew turns out knew at the time, we turns out we weren't right. you know, we're we're to we weren't right. you know, we're from we're to we weren't right. you know, we're from this re to we weren't right. you know, we're from this and to we weren't right. you know, we're from this and do to we weren't right. you know, we're from this and do better learn from this and do better with the time. that's not with the next time. that's not what they're saying. it's just been very defiant and kind of refusing to say, look, we didn't do we messed this up. and we'll try to fix it. but yeah , try to fix it. but yeah, hopefully they do. finally i don't know if it's ever going to

happen, but that's my hope. well, i hope your book will add to well, i hope your book will add ro mor— well, i hope your book will add to that conversation. ian you nove— to that conversation. ian you move ro— to that conversation. ian you move ro oen— to that conversation. ian you have to ask why— to that conversation. ian you have to ask why this virus, wnen— have to ask why this virus, wnren oe— have to ask why this virus, which was nasty- have to ask why this virus, which was nasty , of course, and which was nasty, of course, and it which was nasty, of course, and n rook— which was nasty, of course, and it took ro— which was nasty, of course, and it took ro mony— which was nasty, of course, and it took to many people , it it took to many people, it moreo— it took to many people, it killed many— it took to many people, it killed many loved ones. but it o very— killed many loved ones. but it o wery ooe— killed many loved ones. but it was a very age specific virus omo— was a very age specific virus on n— was a very age specific virus and it focussed_ was a very age specific virus and it focussed on the vulnerable— and it focussed on the vulnerable .- and it focussed on the vulnerable . well, why did it vulnerable. well, why did it provoke— vulnerable. well, why did it provoke such— vulnerable. well, why did it provoke such a— vulnerable. well, why did it provoke such a massive reaction mom— provoke such a massive reaction from governments— provoke such a massive reaction from governments around the wonde— from governments around the worm wny— from governments around the world? why did— from governments around the world? why did we have lockdowns? _ world? why did we have lockdowns? why did we keep neorrny— lockdowns? why did we keep neorrny people— lockdowns? why did we keep healthy people at home? why did we woeernore— healthy people at home? why did we vaccinate healthy people? wnor-e— we vaccinate healthy people? what's behind— we vaccinate healthy people? what's behind all of this , do what's behind all of this, do you— what's behind all of this, do you minn— what's behind all of this, do you rnmw e— what's behind all of this, do you think ? oh— what's behind all of this, do you think ? oh oh, i think that you think? oh oh, i think that mere-e— you think? oh oh, i think that mere-e o— you think? oh oh, i think that mere-e o tor— you think? oh oh, i think that there's a lot there was a lot of reor— there's a lot there was a lot of reor omo— there's a lot there was a lot of fear and panic,— there's a lot there was a lot of fear and panic, especially early r— fear and panic, especially early r mmo— fear and panic, especially early on. i think china's— fear and panic, especially early on. i think china's in- fear and panic, especially early on. 1“ on. i think china's in large part responsible for that. i mean, can back look mean, you can go back and look now videos people mean, you can go back and look now down videos people mean, you can go back and look now down indeos people mean, you can go back and look now down in the; people mean, you can go back and look now down in the streets ple falling down in the streets in china, supposedly dying china, wuhan supposedly dying from walking around. from covid, just walking around. so this of so there was this kind of unnecessary fear and panic initially. and then there were estimates the health estimates from the world health organisation that something like 3.5% people that got covid organisation that something like 3.5% goingyple that got covid organisation that something like 3.5% going toe that got covid organisation that something like 3.5% going toe thrandyt covid organisation that something like 3.5% going toe thrandyt co'was were going to die and that was way catastrophically off. but governments believed that they saw this modelling in the uk as

imperial college. here we had modelling oh, if we modelling too, showing oh, if we don't do all these lockdowns, we're going to have huge consequences . and so it all kind consequences. and so it all kind of from where of springs from that, where health authorities panicked and overreacted. have overreacted. and then you have years policies trying to kind years of policies trying to kind of admit that they were of not admit that they were overreacting to a virus that was very dangerous , but had a very very dangerous, but had a very specific age grading , as you specific age grading, as you say. want to say. it just didn't want to admit that they were wrong from the beginning. and so you have years of just covering years of kind of just covering up their own failures . up for their own failures. well, in looking back on the ponoemre— well, in looking back on the pandemic, your— well, in looking back on the pandemic, your book will be an rmpononr— pandemic, your book will be an important historic— pandemic, your book will be an important historic document . important historic document. rr-e— important historic document. me o— important historic document. it's a cracking— important historic document. it's a cracking read. i'm nonwoy— it's a cracking read. i'm halfway through it. it is called ruueron— halfway through it. it is called ruueron or— halfway through it. it is called illusion of control, covid 19 one— illusion of control, covid 19 one one— illusion of control, covid 19 and the collapse— illusion of control, covid 19 and the collapse of expertise is it re— and the collapse of expertise is it re py— and the collapse of expertise is it re py rom— and the collapse of expertise is it is by ian miller— and the collapse of expertise is it is by ian miller and it's out monke— it is by ian miller and it's out now. thanks, ian.— it is by ian miller and it's out now. thanks, ian. we'll catch up monke— now. thanks, ian. we'll catch up soon. thanks very— now. thanks, ian. we'll catch up soon. thanks very much- now. thanks, ian. we'll catch up soon. nign now soon. thanks very much. now coming up— soon. thanks very much. now coming up n— soon. thanks very much. now coming up in dial— soon. nign now coming up in dial dolan, when rm— coming up in dial dolan, when m taking— coming up in dial dolan, when rm ronng your— coming up in dial dolan, when i'm taking your video calls , is i'm taking your video calls, is my— i'm taking your video calls, is my eoueopue— i'm taking your video calls, is my colleague and friend nigel rorooe— my colleague and friend nigel rorope nonr— my colleague and friend nigel farage right that— my colleague and friend nigel farage right that politicians nove— farage right that politicians have failed— farage right that politicians have failed us— farage right that politicians have failed us on brexit and oreo— have failed us on brexit and oreo oe— have failed us on brexit and also are men— have failed us on brexit and also are men still useless oroun— also are men still useless orouno rne— also are men still useless

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minn— fergus in greenwich. what do you rnmw .— fergus in greenwich. what do you think , amanda?— fergus in greenwich. what do you think , amanda? has this think, amanda? has this government— think, amanda? has this government dropped the ball on newne— government dropped the ball on nrenre wn— government dropped the ball on brexit? hi, mark. _ government dropped the ball on brexit? hi, mark. “in; «no; brexit? hi, mark. hi. yes, yes, absolutely. they have completely failed us. and i don't think i've ever been so disillusioned about politics in all my life because i'm one of those that is now politically homeless. um i don't think i'll even bother voting in the next election if i still am in the country by then because i'm looking for ways to leave because of all these shenanigans with the conservative party and everything they've done to foist rishi sunak upon us all, which never , ever, ever was going to never, ever, ever was going to work . and i'll give you an work. and i'll give you an example of why . why? because example of why. why? because they did this to the italian people with mario draghi. if you remember, they had a big turmoil in their political world over

there and they ended up being stuck with someone who was chosen by the eu. basically and i believe that eu wanted rishi sunak very much so . and now sunak very much so. and now we're stuck with him . and i just we're stuck with him. and i just don't see any way out of this because even if they bring boris back, is it going to be enough to turn things around in time for the next election? my hope is that they will actually replace rishi because i've lost all faith in whatever he thinks he's doing. i don't trust him. i don't like him. i don't believe in him. i think he's a terrible, weak leader . in him. i think he's a terrible, weak leader. he's not even a leader. he's just weak. and brexit has been completely put on the back burner by, you know, by rishi. i think he did a bit of a deal with ursula von der leyen when he went to sort out the northern ireland protocol, and i think he did agree , as and i think he did agree, as some of the brexiteer mps feel. i think he did agree that we

would align on with eu rules throughout the whole of the uk, which we've now been told is going to be the case because people that have gone through that deal, the windsor framework, have realised that when they align northern ireland with eu rules it's going to affect the rest of the uk as well. so we really only have, as nigel farage has said many, many times, we only have brexit in name only and am so disappointed . did i want to pack my bags and i want to leave and move and go as far away from this conservative party in this country as possible? i just cannot take it anymore with the politics over here. it's really, really getting me down. well, that's a assessment . r2dr11cc“r2d 2 well, that's a assessment . and fergus, that's a assessment. and fergus, youe— that's a assessment. and fergus, you nodding— that's a assessment. and fergus, you're nodding head . “in; you're nodding your head. yes. rreryrnmg— you're nodding your head. yes. rreryrnmg ene— you're nodding your head. yes. everything she said.— you're nodding your head. yes. everything she said. yes. basically . everything she said. yes. basically. nigel is abrasive , basically. nigel is abrasive, aggressive. there would be zero brexit without nigel. it never would have happened. and he

fought for it for 28 years. was it 27? 28 years? he fought mad for it and everybody had goes at him . without him, there would him. without him, there would have been no brexit at all. and there clawing back, clawing back, clawing back. rishi keir starmer all of them, they just don't want it. they don't want to get rid of 4000 rules and laws. no, no, no . let's get rid laws. no, no, no. let's get rid of 10 or 20. and as the lady just said, yeah, the northern ireland protocol is wrong . we ireland protocol is wrong. we haven't got our fisheries back. we haven't got anything back. it's been a step away by labour and conservatives and it's like, oh, what's going to happen ? i oh, what's going to happen? i don't know. thank goodness for nigel who's and also of course for gb news ha ha, because it's the only place you can get a spoken. the only place you can get a spoken . what's really happening spoken. what's really happening in politics and however i wonder, robin, whether the brexiteers are allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the

good. we are out. we've got a mee— good. we are out. we've got a free rrooe— good. we are out. we've got a free trade deal— good. we are out. we've got a free trade deal with— 32 we are out. we've got a free trade deal with the ruropeon— free trade deal with the european union. we you know, we oon-r— european union. we you know, we oon-r nove— european union. we you know, we don't have contributions to the proo— don't have contributions to the woe every— don't have contributions to the bloc every month— don't have contributions to the bloc every month and we don't nove— bloc every month and we don't move me— bloc every month and we don't have the euro. _ bloc every month and we don't have the euro. we're out. what's the have the euro. we're out. what's one problem— have the euro. we're out. what's one problem e— have the euro. we're out. what's the problem ? um— have the euro. we're out. what's the problem ? um um. cites/151g the problem? um um. okay, so wiper— the problem? um um. okay, so wrger wo— the problem? um um. okay, so nigel was right in what he said, but anybody could have said that because to be honest with you, brexit has been an absolute disaster . brexit has been an absolute disaster. but, you brexit has been an absolute disaster . but, you know, brexit has been an absolute disaster. but, you know, many people would have told you that before it happened . there was before it happened. there was absolutely nothing that was on the table that was ever going to make this anything other than a disaster. utter and, you know , i disaster. utter and, you know, i love what amanda was saying, but she can't leave the country because one of the issues i've got with brexit is i would like to retire abroad. i'd like to go and live portugal or spain, and live in portugal or spain, but can't do that now , thanks but i can't do that now, thanks to also brexit affects to brexit. also brexit affects me from a business perspective. the other week i was in budapest . i had to queue up with all the other the other other passport

lane because it can't go through the eu ones, even though they were empty and they were staffed , but they just kept us waiting. there and that you know that if you travel, you never you never travel, you never see this. but also in my business, gdpr is unbelievably important and now i'm banned from looking at european data of some of our clients because guess what? i live in the uk. i don't live in europe. so for me, brexit has been nothing other than an unmitigated disaster. and so of course, nigel is right. but nigel, basic sold us this or sold the country this, and now he's trying to distance himself because he hasn't got what he thought he was going to get. however for robin, it's a transition , isn't it? it's transition, isn't it? it's a huge shock to the - . fl it's a huge shock to the economy. transition, isn't it? it's a- huge shock to the economy. it's eompneoreo— huge shock to the economy. it's complicated in— huge shock to the economy. it's complicated in terms of the law, ueomre— complicated in terms of the law, ueomre . you— complicated in terms of the law, customs , you name— complicated in terms of the law, customs , you name it. this will customs, you name it. this will rowe— customs, you name it. this will rote o— customs, you name it. this will rote o wnrre— customs, you name it. this will take a while to— customs, you name it. this will take a while to bed in surely you— take a while to bed in surely you eon-r— take a while to bed in surely you eon-r tuope— take a while to bed in surely you can't judge for brexit a oeeooe— you can't judge for brexit a oeeooe prue— you can't judge for brexit a decade plus the eu has many propreme— decade plus the eu has many propreme rn— decade plus the eu has many problems in its— decade plus the eu has many

problems in its own right, moment— problems in its own right, including o— problems in its own right, including a potential sovereign depr— including a potential sovereign oepr enere— including a potential sovereign debt crisis in— including a potential sovereign debt crisis in france, spain and the aforementioned portugal . the aforementioned portugal. worming.— the aforementioned portugal. wornmp vee— the aforementioned portugal. nothing. yes mark.— the aforementioned portugal. nothing. yes mark. i- the aforementioned portugal. \ix“ 4135 nothing. yes mark. i mean, nothing's perfect . and maybe one nothing's perfect. and maybe one day somebody will turn around in 10 or 20 years time and go, actually, you know what? it was the thing ever and the best thing we ever did. and okay, turns out okay, if that's how it turns out to be, fantastic. but unfortunately , that's way too unfortunately, that's way too late me because everything late for me because everything is costing more money these days. and you know, i'm here in paris at the moment for a month andifs paris at the moment for a month and it's fantastic. and it's a lot cheaper than being in london, i can assure you. okay. well, look , let me— london, i can assure you. okay. well, look , let me ask- “ it?" okay. well, look , let me ask you, well, look, let me ask you, amonoo— well, look, let me ask you, amonoo .— well, look, let me ask you, amanda , assuming that you amanda, assuming that you eupponeo— amanda, assuming that you supported brexit, would you rorner— supported brexit, would you rorner mor— supported brexit, would you rather that we— supported brexit, would you rather that we were still in the ruropeon— rather that we were still in the european union— rather that we were still in the european union is— rather that we were still in the european union is what we have mon— european union is what we have now worse than membership of the proo— now worse than membership of the woe .— now worse than membership of the woe . — now worse than membership of the woe . enou— now worse than membership of the bloc . good question.— now worse than membership of the bloc . x2 2 rir“ ig now worse than membership of the bloc. x2 2 32 bloc. good question. very good question. i'm going to have to say that i would still vote for brexit if we had, you know , the brexit if we had, you know, the chance to sort of re redo things

which we won't. but thank goodness for that , because that goodness for that, because that would just cause another problem . um, but the thing is, the most disappointing aspect of it is that we don't have control of our borders . hello, we have our borders. hello, we have a thousands of people coming into this country in dinghy boats making us the laughing stock of the world. and we don't seem to be able to solve that problem. i think they're doing it to us on purpose. i think rishi sunak is quite happy to let it continue. ihave quite happy to let it continue. i have my own reasons why i believe in that, but i won't go into it and i think this is an agenda that we are not going to see end anytime soon. that's what disturbs me the most, that they are disregarding and disrespect , putting brexit in disrespect, putting brexit in the name of something else, that they're not being honest with us about with regards to mass migration to this country. about with regards to mass migration to this country . and migration to this country. and it really sickens me to my

stomach. that's why i want to leave, because the more we get inundated with these illegal migrants and hotels, you know, being taken over, people's weddings being cancelled and people being turfed out of okay places. amanda with these people, i stop you only only because of time. but you speak for mony— because of time. but you speak for mony or— because of time. but you speak for mony or my— because of time. but you speak for many of my viewers. - i i but you speak for many of my viewers. next up were roerno— for many of my viewers. next up , we're losing billionaires . why , we're losing billionaires. why is , we're losing billionaires. why re mor— , we're losing billionaires. why is that happening? and why is it a is that happening? and why is it o propreme— is that happening? and why is it a problem? that— is that happening? and why is it a problem? that is— is that happening? and why is it a problem? that is.

next it's i next. it's 9:00 i next- it's 9:00 on | new— it's 9:00 on television, on noto— it's 9:00 on television, on rooro. omo— it's 9:00 on television, on radio, and online in the united kingdom— radio, and online in the united kingdom omo— radio, and online in the united kingdom and across the world. rne— kingdom and across the world. rnre re— kingdom and across the world. rnre re worn— kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight in my big oprnron— this is mark dolan tonight in my big oprnron. rr-e— this is mark dolan tonight in my big opinion, it's been revealed omom— big opinion, it's been revealed nnrorn no— big opinion, it's been revealed britain now has— big opinion, it's been revealed britain now has fewer billionaires- britain now has fewer billionaires .- britain now has fewer billionaires . why is this bad billionaires. why is this bad for ee— billionaires. why is this bad for you— billionaires. why is this bad for news you and me? well,

peuee— for news you and me? well, because this— for news you and me? well, because this war— for news you and me? well, because this war on wealth might win o— because this war on wealth might win o eneop— because this war on wealth might win a cheap headline, but it's a ro— win a cheap headline, but it's a ro rne— win a cheap headline, but it's a race to the bottom _ win a cheap headline, but it's a race to the bottom and will hurt the race to the bottom and will hurt me pooreer— race to the bottom and will hurt me pooreer rn— race to the bottom and will hurt the poorest in our— race to the bottom and will hurt the poorest in our society. find our— the poorest in our society. find our wny— the poorest in our society. find our wny we— the poorest in our society. find out why we need— the poorest in our society. find out why we need rich people enonry— out why we need rich people enonry rn— out why we need rich people enonry m my— out why we need rich people shortly in my take a ten, i'll be oeouno— shortly in my take a ten, i'll be dealing with— shortly in my take a ten, i'll be dealing with the duke and nueneee— be dealing with the duke and nueneee or— be dealing with the duke and duchess of sussex and their wrrory— duchess of sussex and their wildly exaggerated claims of a car wildly exaggerated claims of a enoee . re— wildly exaggerated claims of a car chase . is these true? these car chase. is these true? these pie.— car chase. is these true? these rwo. r— car chase. is these true? these rwo. r enouro— car chase. is these true? these two, i should say,— car chase. is these true? these two, i should say, are driving me— two, i should say, are driving me around the— two, i should say, are driving me around the bend. you won't wom— me around the bend. you won't wonr ro— me around the bend. you won't wonr ro mee— me around the bend. you won't want to miss my— me around the bend. you won't want to miss my verdict on harry omo— want to miss my verdict on harry on weonon— want to miss my verdict on harry and meghan after— want to miss my verdict on harry and meghan after ten. do wear a eeor— and meghan after ten. do wear a eeor pen— and meghan after ten. do wear a eeor pen .— and meghan after ten. do wear a eeor pen . wny— and meghan after ten. do wear a seat belt . why have the decided seat belt. why have the decided mor— seat belt. why have the decided no mere— seat belt. why have the decided that there are _ seat belt. why have the decided that there are now— seat belt. why have the decided that there are now 18 genders omo— that there are now 18 genders ono rneee— that there are now 18 genders and these are— that there are now 18 genders and these are the people looking oner— and these are the people looking orrer our— and these are the people looking after our health?— and these are the people looking after our health? i'll be pumme— after our health? i'll be putting that— after our health? i'll be putting that to tonight's newsmaker— putting that to tonight's newsmaker free speech champion t0by— newsmaker free speech champion ropy young— newsmaker free speech champion ropy woung .— newsmaker free speech champion ropy woung . mue— newsmaker free speech champion toby young . plus, some breaking toby young. plus, some breaking regororng— toby young. plus, some breaking news regarding the very popular pooeoer— news regarding the very popular podcast trigonometry . well, podcast trigonometry. well, rney-we— podcast trigonometry. well, rney-we teen— podcast trigonometry. well, they've been defunded by their ponn. — they've been defunded by their ponn. wnye— they've been defunded by their bank. why? because they host people— bank. why? because they host peopre wno— bank. why? because they host people who have— bank. why? because they host people who have a variety of porrrreor— people who have a variety of political views. _ people who have a variety of political views. it's censored , political views. it's censored, emp— political views. it's censored, enrp gone— political views. it's censored, enrp gone moo.— political views. it's censored, ship gone mad, and the co—creator_ ship gone mad, and the co—creator of- ship gone mad, and the co—creator of trigonometry, constantine _ co—creator of trigonometry, constantine kitson, joins us

oner— constantine kitson, joins us one .— constantine kitson, joins us one . ren— after. ten a- after. ten a busy, lively after. ten- a busy, lively fun after. ten— a busy, lively fun and provocative - a busy, lively fun and provocative two hours to come. we— provocative two hours to come. we rnooy— provocative two hours to come. it's friday night,— provocative two hours to come. it's friday night, folks. the weekend— it's friday night, folks. the weekend starts— it's friday night, folks. the weekend starts here. so treat youreem — weekend starts here. so treat youreem rur— weekend starts here. so treat yourself. put something cold and fizzy— yourself. put something cold and may rn— yourself. put something cold and may to rne— yourself. put something cold and fizzy in the fridge— yourself. put something cold and fizzy in the fridge or fire up rne— fizzy in the fridge or fire up one kerne— fizzy in the fridge or fire up the kettle. tear— fizzy in the fridge or fire up the kettle. tear open the eueroro— the kettle. tear open the custard creams and let's make a nrgnr— custard creams and let's make a nrgnr or— custard creams and let's make a nrgnr or n.— custard creams and let's make a night of it happy— custard creams and let's make a night of it. happy friday one omo— night of it. happy friday one one on. — night of it. happy friday one one on. my— night of it. happy friday one one on. my mg— night of it. happy friday one and all. my big opinion is next. nur— and all. my big opinion is next. our men— and all. my big opinion is next. but first, the— and all. my big opinion is next. but first, the headlines with rory— but first, the headlines with roy smirn— but first, the headlines with roy smrrn .— but first, the headlines with rory smrrn . — but first, the headlines with rory smith . c"lilliil”tfn but first, the headlines with rory smith . c"lilliil”tfn rory smith. cheers, mark. the latest from the newsroom a man who conned victims out of more than £100 million has been jailed . t.j. fletcher founded jailed. t.j. fletcher founded the website spoke, which allowed criminals to make phone calls to victims pretty ending. they were from trusted companies. it was brought down last year in the uk's biggest fraud sting. the 35

year old has been sentenced to 13 years and four months in prison . detective superintendent prison. detective superintendent helen rance says he clearly didn't care about the harm he was causing before it was shut down. iwas was causing before it was shut down. i was constantly growing wron— down. i was constantly growing wrrn roo— down. i was constantly growing wrrn woo ne— down. i was constantly growing with 700 new users— 2 i was constantly growing with 700 new users registering every— with 700 new users registering every week— with 700 new users registering every week omo— with 700 new users registering every week and it— with 700 new users registering every week and it was earning £80,000— every week and it was earning eeoeoo per— every week and it was earning £80,000 per week . fletcher was £80,000 per week. fletcher was reoorng — £80,000 per week. fletcher was reoorng on — £80,000 per week. fletcher was leading an extravagant rrreeryre.— leading an extravagant lifestyle, benefiting from the prome— lifestyle, benefiting from the profits, having _ lifestyle, benefiting from the profits, having no care for the men— profits, having no care for the mreery ne— profits, having no care for the mreery ne oe— profits, having no care for the misery he was responsible for the misery he was responsible for one porenre— misery he was responsible for the parents of— misery he was responsible for the parents of a— misery he was responsible for the parents of a disabled reenoger— the parents of a disabled teenager who— the parents of a disabled teenager who were jailed for her groee— teenager who were jailed for her groee negligence— teenager who were jailed for her gross negligence . $1133 gross negligence. manslaughter have had their sentences increased. keeley titford , who increased. keeley titford, who was morbidly obese and bedridden , died at her home in newton in 2020 after suffering from an infection in her mother. sarah lloyd—jones , who admitted the lloyd—jones, who admitted the charge, will now serve eight years instead of six. and her father , alan, who pleaded not father, alan, who pleaded not guilty , will serve ten years.

guilty, will serve ten years. the brother of tv star phillip schofield has been jailed for 12 years for child sex offences. timothy schofield , who was a timothy schofield, who was a civilian police worker , civilian police worker, committed 11 offences between 2016 and 2019. the boy who was abused by the 54 year old was praised for his remarkable bravery in coming forward . the bravery in coming forward. the us has announced new sanctions on russia targeting future energy revenues and military supply chains . well, it's part supply chains. well, it's part of a wave of fresh, punishing acts over the war in ukraine, which have been announced by g7 leaders at a meeting in japan early . the uk leaders at a meeting in japan early. the uk said it would be banning imports of russian diamonds , copper, aluminium and diamonds, copper, aluminium and nickel , diamonds, copper, aluminium and nickel, while ukraine's president has met the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman on the sidelines of the arab league summit in jeddah. vladimir zelenskyy has also held

meetings with the leaders of oman, kuwait and the uae . gulf oman, kuwait and the uae. gulf countries have tried to remain neutral on the war in ukraine. but in a speech to the summit, president zelenskyy called out those who have been turning a blind eye to the ministry of defence has awarded contracts . defence has awarded contracts. worth £320 million to service royal navy. offshore patrol vessels. uk docks, marine services in the north east has been given an eight year contract worth around £250 million to support vessels , million to support vessels, including hms tamar. that's expected to create around 100 jobs. a second contract worth £70 million has gone to bae systems in portsmouth . boris systems in portsmouth. boris johnson's wife, carrie, is pregnant with the couple's third child. she announced on instagram they're expecting a sibling for wilf and rumi in just a few weeks time . well,

just a few weeks time. well, carrie said she's been feeling pretty exhausted for much of the last eight months, but they are looking forward to welcoming the newest member of the family. very . soon tv online newest member of the family. very. soon tv online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news a nato. back to . nato. back to. mark congratulations to nato. back to. mark- . congratulations to boris congratulations to boris johnson - congratulations to boris ronneon omo— . congratulations to boris johnson and news- . congratulations to boris johnson and news of- congratulations to boris johnson and news of his 350th onto.— johnson and news of his 350th onio- we— johnson and news of his 350th child. we wish— johnson and news of his 350th child. we wish mum and baby wen.— child. we wish mum and baby well well— child. we wish mum and baby well. well begum to mark dolan ronrgnr— well. well begum to mark dolan ronrgnr rn— well. well begum to mark dolan ronrgnr m my— well. well begum to mark dolan ronrgnr m my mg— well. well begum to mark dolan tonight in my big opinion it's been— tonight in my big opinion it's been revealed— tonight in my big opinion it's been revealed now that britain noe— been revealed now that britain noe fewer— been revealed now that britain has fewer billionaires. why is me— has fewer billionaires. why is one too— has fewer billionaires. why is this bad news— has fewer billionaires. why is this bad news for— has fewer billionaires. why is this bad news for you and me? well— this bad news for you and me? well, because— this bad news for you and me? well, because this— this bad news for you and me? well, because this war on wealth mrgnr— well, because this war on wealth mrgnr win— well, because this war on wealth mrgnr wrn o— well, because this war on wealth might win a cheap— well, because this war on wealth might win a cheap headline, but it's might win a cheap headline, but me o— might win a cheap headline, but me o ro— might win a cheap headline, but me o o oe— might win a cheap headline, but it's a to race the— might win a cheap headline, but it's a to race the bottom and wit— it's a to race the bottom and wit nun— it's a to race the bottom and wit nun rne— it's a to race the bottom and will hurt the poorest in our emery.— will hurt the poorest in our eoerery. rrno— will hurt the poorest in our society. find out why we need non— society. find out why we need non people— society. find out why we need rich people shortly. in my take at rich people shortly. in my take or ren— rich people shortly. in my take or ten ru— rich people shortly. in my take or ten r-u pe—

rich people shortly. in my take at ten, i'll be dealing with the duke— at ten, i'll be dealing with the duke omo— at ten, i'll be dealing with the duke and duchess of sussex and merr— duke and duchess of sussex and men wiory— duke and duchess of sussex and their wildly exaggerated claims of o— their wildly exaggerated claims of o or— their wildly exaggerated claims of a car chase.— their wildly exaggerated claims of a car chase. these two are driving— of a car chase. these two are driving me— of a car chase. these two are driving me around the bend . you driving me around the bend. you won-r— driving me around the bend. you wont wom— driving me around the bend. you wont wonr ro— driving me around the bend. you won't want to miss— driving me around the bend. you won't want to miss my verdict oner— won't want to miss my verdict orrer ren. — won't want to miss my verdict orrer ren. no— won't want to miss my verdict after ten. do wear— won't want to miss my verdict after ten. do wear a seat belt . after ten. do wear a seat belt. in after ten. do wear a seat belt. in one— after ten. do wear a seat belt. m we org— after ten. do wear a seat belt. in one big erory— after ten. do wear a seat belt. in the big story is— after ten. do wear a seat belt. in the big story is the case for ner— in the big story is the case for ner ero— in the big story is the case for net zero crumbling top tournouer— net zero crumbling top journalist ross clark joins me one— journalist ross clark joins me me me— journalist ross clark joins me and he's been— journalist ross clark joins me and he's been writing about how europe— and he's been writing about how rurope re— and he's been writing about how europe is turning— and he's been writing about how europe is turning against net wnier— europe is turning against net zero whilst we— europe is turning against net zero whilst we a— europe is turning against net zero whilst we a bunch of mugs are bankrupting_ zero whilst we a bunch of mugs are bankrupting ourselves to cut omom— are bankrupting ourselves to cut carbon emissions— are bankrupting ourselves to cut carbon emissions .— are bankrupting ourselves to cut carbon emissions . also this is carbon emissions. also this is roeernonng— carbon emissions. also this is roeernorrng .— carbon emissions. also this is fascinating . why— carbon emissions. also this is fascinating . why do people fascinating. why do people murero— fascinating. why do people murero e— fascinating. why do people murero e ny— fascinating. why do people murder ? my mark meets guest is murder? my mark meets guest is the murder? my mark meets guest is one rorenere— murder? my mark meets guest is the forensic psychiatrist whose job the forensic psychiatrist whose top r— the forensic psychiatrist whose top r re— the forensic psychiatrist whose top r re ro— the forensic psychiatrist whose job it is to rehabilitate some of job it is to rehabilitate some or me— job it is to rehabilitate some or one worer— job it is to rehabilitate some of the worst monsters in our eoerery— of the worst monsters in our eoerery .— of the worst monsters in our eoerery . con— of the worst monsters in our society . can they- of the worst monsters in our society . can they be cured? an society. can they be cured? an ano— society. can they be cured? an ano wny— society. can they be cured? an ano wny nove— society. can they be cured? an and why have the— society. can they be cured? an and why have the nhs decided mor— and why have the nhs decided no mere— and why have the nhs decided that there are _ and why have the nhs decided that there are now 18 genders? moo-e— that there are now 18 genders? rnor-e rum.— that there are now 18 genders? that's right, 18— that there are now 18 genders? that's right, 18 genders. i'll be purring— that's right, 18 genders. i'll be putting that— that's right, 18 genders. i'll be putting that to tonight's newsmaker. free speech champion t0by— newsmaker. free speech champion ropy young— newsmaker. free speech champion ropy woung .— newsmaker. free speech champion ropy woung . rue— newsmaker. free speech champion toby young . plus, some shocking toby young. plus, some shocking rne— toby young. plus, some shocking me very— toby young. plus, some shocking news. the very popular podcast rnggereo— news. the very popular podcast triggered cemetery, which rnwrree— triggered cemetery, which invites guests— triggered cemetery, which invites guests across the porrrreor— invites guests across the political spectrum to come and

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have a debate and let's have a rougn-ano— have a debate and let's have a laugh-and.start. have a debate and let's have a. laugh _and.start with have a debate and let's have a launbig and start with have a debate and let's have a launbig opinion and start with have a debate and let's have a launbig opinion .nd start with have a debate and let's have a launbig opinion . the start with have a debate and let's have a launbig opinion . the sundayivith my big opinion. the sunday rrmee. — my big opinion. the sunday rrmee. ren— my big opinion. the sunday times. rich list— my big opinion. the sunday times. rich list is out. rishi sunor-e— times. rich list is out. rishi sunak's family— times. rich list is out. rishi sunak's family is worth a cool epoe— sunak's family is worth a cool £500 million.— sunak's family is worth a cool £500 million. is— sunak's family is worth a cool £500 million. is rock superstar. erron— £500 million. is rock superstar. rnon john— £500 million. is rock superstar. rnon ronn re— £500 million. is rock superstar. elton john is still— £500 million. is rock superstar. elton john is still standing wron— elton john is still standing mm o— elton john is still standing with a personal wealth of £450 million— with a personal wealth of £450 million worth— with a personal wealth of £450 million worth every penny. we rowe— million worth every penny. we love erron— million worth every penny. we love elton and— million worth every penny. we love elton and cheesy love song epeeroner— love elton and cheesy love song epeeroner ro— love elton and cheesy love song specialist ed sheeran is valued at specialist ed sheeran is valued or epoe— specialist ed sheeran is valued at £300 million.— specialist ed sheeran is valued at £300 million. what do all rnoee— at £300 million. what do all rnoee grue— at £300 million. what do all those girls see— at £300 million. what do all those girls see in— at £300 million. what do all those girls see in him ? but as those girls see in him? but as my pnuronr— those girls see in him? but as my brilliant colleague tom norwooo— my brilliant colleague tom harwood points— my brilliant colleague tom harwood points out on twitter tony.— harwood points out on twitter roooy. for— harwood points out on twitter roooy. for me— harwood points out on twitter today, for the first time in 14 yee— today, for the first time in 14 ye rne— today, for the first time in 14 years, the number of billionaires- years, the number of billionaires on the sunday times ren— billionaires on the sunday times rren ner— billionaires on the sunday times rren ueo noe— billionaires on the sunday times rich list has fallen— billionaires on the sunday times rich list has fallen to 171. rne— rich list has fallen to 171. rnre re— rich list has fallen to 171. rnre re. ne— rich list has fallen to 171. this is, he says- rich list has fallen to 171. this is, he says , is a policy this is, he says, is a policy torture— this is, he says, is a policy torture .— this is, he says, is a policy failure . well,— this is, he says, is a policy failure . well, tom harwood is failure. well, tom harwood is opeorurery— failure. well, tom harwood is absolutely right.— failure. well, tom harwood is absolutely right. and let me exprorn— absolutely right. and let me exprom wny. — absolutely right. and let me explain why. of— absolutely right. and let me

explain why. of course , it's explain why. of course, it's very— explain why. of course, it's very eoe— explain why. of course, it's very eoo mor— explain why. of course, it's very sad that we- explain why. of course, it's very sad that we live in a world one— very sad that we live in a world one rnoeeo— very sad that we live in a world one need o— very sad that we live in a world and indeed a country where one peeon— and indeed a country where one peon ome— and indeed a country where one person can drive around in a god— person can drive around in a gold proreo— person can drive around in a gold plated rolls—royce whilst onorner— gold plated rolls—royce whilst another barely— gold plated rolls—royce whilst another barely has a roof over merr— another barely has a roof over rnerr neon— another barely has a roof over their head. but— another barely has a roof over their head. but the great misunderstanding of some on the left misunderstanding of some on the ten re— misunderstanding of some on the ten re mor— misunderstanding of some on the left is that the— misunderstanding of some on the left is that the way— misunderstanding of some on the left is that the way that you neop— left is that the way that you nerp rnoee — left is that the way that you help those at— left is that the way that you help those at the bottom is eoeon— help those at the bottom is eoeon ro— help those at the bottom is somehow to attack the wealthy . somehow to attack the wealthy. arnre — somehow to attack the wealthy. arnre wow— somehow to attack the wealthy. arnie now that— somehow to attack the wealthy. arnie now that may seem like a eenerpre— arnie now that may seem like a eenerpre roeo— arnie now that may seem like a sensible idea on— arnie now that may seem like a sensible idea on paper, but i'm omom— sensible idea on paper, but i'm omoro nrerory— sensible idea on paper, but i'm afraid history tells— sensible idea on paper, but i'm afraid history tells us it just ooeen-r— afraid history tells us it just doesn't work— afraid history tells us it just doesn't work .— afraid history tells us it just doesn't work . it's my view that doesn't work. it's my view that by eeonng — doesn't work. it's my view that by eeonng om— doesn't work. it's my view that by scaring off billionaires and ereorrng— by scaring off billionaires and ereorrng on— by scaring off billionaires and creating an environment that unwereomrng— creating an environment that unwelcoming to— creating an environment that unwelcoming to those who make eomernrng— unwelcoming to those who make eomernrng or— unwelcoming to those who make something of their— unwelcoming to those who make something of their lives , who something of their lives, who rowe— something of their lives, who one newe— something of their lives, who take risks and— something of their lives, who take risks and who work hard , take risks and who work hard, we're shooting— take risks and who work hard, we're shooting ourselves in the root— we're shooting ourselves in the foot mowing— we're shooting ourselves in the foot, making ourselves poorer , foot, making ourselves poorer, omo— foot, making ourselves poorer, ono wrung— foot, making ourselves poorer, and killing the— foot, making ourselves poorer, and killing the goose that lays the and killing the goose that lays rne goroen— and killing the goose that lays rne goroen egge— and killing the goose that lays rne goroen egge .— and killing the goose that lays the golden eggs . it's crazy that the golden eggs. it's crazy that you— the golden eggs. it's crazy that you nove— the golden eggs. it's crazy that you nowe very— the golden eggs. it's crazy that you have very rich— the golden eggs. it's crazy that you have very rich and very poor.— you have very rich and very poor. pur— you have very rich and very poor, but we've— you have very rich and very poor, but we've tried alternatives - poor, but we've tried alternatives , including many alternatives, including many eormnuner— alternatives, including many communist regimes, that through nrerory— communist regimes, that through nrerory we— communist regimes, that through nrerory we nove— communist regimes, that through history we have bankrupted ounnree— history we have bankrupted countries and— history we have bankrupted countries and seen the poorer

get— countries and seen the poorer ger poorer.— countries and seen the poorer get poorer. transferring to a mower— get poorer. transferring to a market economy has seen ounnree— market economy has seen ounnree rn— market economy has seen countries in eastern europe and aero— countries in eastern europe and across asia lift— countries in eastern europe and across asia lift billions of people— across asia lift billions of people our— across asia lift billions of people our of— across asia lift billions of people out of poverty. capitalism _ people out of poverty. capitalism is- people out of poverty. capitalism is not perfect. it's uneguor.— capitalism is not perfect. it's uneguor. n— capitalism is not perfect. it's unequal. it needs to be controlled— unequal. it needs to be controlled and kept in check. our— controlled and kept in check. our r— controlled and kept in check. our r wowe— controlled and kept in check. but it works .— controlled and kept in check. but it works . and when but it works. and when calibrated _ but it works. and when calibrated correctly and allowed to calibrated correctly and allowed o oo— calibrated correctly and allowed o oo wnor— calibrated correctly and allowed to do what it's— calibrated correctly and allowed to do what it's designed to do , to do what it's designed to do, eoprorem— to do what it's designed to do, capitalism delivers for all. now — capitalism delivers for all. now, before _ capitalism delivers for all. now, before you think that i wom— now, before you think that i wonr o— now, before you think that i want a society— now, before you think that i want a society of haves and have more— want a society of haves and have more p...— want a society of haves and have more p... from — want a society of haves and have nots, far from it.— want a society of haves and have nots, far from it. i— want a society of haves and have nots, far from it. i believe in roxorron— nots, far from it. i believe in taxation and— nots, far from it. i believe in taxation and it's— nots, far from it. i believe in taxation and it's got to be high enougn— taxation and it's got to be high enougn ro— taxation and it's got to be high enough to deliver— taxation and it's got to be high enough to deliver great public eerweee— enough to deliver great public eerweee omo— enough to deliver great public services and offer support to rnoee— services and offer support to rnoee reee— services and offer support to those less fortunate, but not so nign— those less fortunate, but not so nrgn mor— those less fortunate, but not so nrgn rnor r— those less fortunate, but not so high that it impact investments, economic growth— high that it impact investments, economic growth and sees a mass eoueo— economic growth and sees a mass eoueo or— economic growth and sees a mass eoueo or me— economic growth and sees a mass exodus of the well—heeled. pgmgmig.,_ exodus of the well—heeled. remember, these days, the rich are more mobile,— remember, these days, the rich are more mobile, so bashing the weorry— are more mobile, so bashing the wealthy, inspiring— are more mobile, so bashing the wealthy, inspiring them to live in wealthy, inspiring them to live m orner— wealthy, inspiring them to live in other places,— wealthy, inspiring them to live in other places, might make a good— in other places, might make a good porrror— in other places, might make a good political headline. it mrgnr— good political headline. it mrgnr reel— good political headline. it might feel like just revenge on people— might feel like just revenge on people wrr— might feel like just revenge on people with swimming pools and nerreoprer— people with swimming pools and nerreoprer pooe— people with swimming pools and helicopter pads ,— people with swimming pools and helicopter pads , and it might helicopter pads, and it might

even win some— helicopter pads, and it might even win some cynical porrrrone— even win some cynical politicians a- even win some cynical politicians a few votes . but the politicians a few votes. but the pornrur— politicians a few votes. but the pornrur rrurn— politicians a few votes. but the painful truth is— politicians a few votes. but the painful truth is that we need non— painful truth is that we need non people— painful truth is that we need rich people and— painful truth is that we need rich people and we're lucky to nove— rich people and we're lucky to move mem— rich people and we're lucky to move rnem .— rich people and we're lucky to have them . we— rich people and we're lucky to have them . we need their tax have them. we need their tax we— have them. we need their tax income. we need— have them. we need their tax income. we need their investment. - income. we need their investment. we need the businesses— investment. we need the businesses they create. we need the innovation— businesses they create. we need the innovation that— businesses they create. we need the innovation that they are renme.— the innovation that they are penrno. ano— the innovation that they are behind. and we— the innovation that they are behind. and we need them to go enopprng— behind. and we need them to go enopprng rn— behind. and we need them to go enopprng m rne— behind. and we need them to go shopping in this country. the wor— shopping in this country. the w orone— shopping in this country. the vat alone on— shopping in this country. the vat alone on a— shopping in this country. the vat alone on a top level rolls—royce _ vat alone on a top level rolls—royce designed and built by nrrrren— rolls—royce designed and built by british workers in britain, is by british workers in britain, re upworoe— by british workers in britain, re upworoe or— by british workers in britain, is upwards of £100,000. the vat on rowe— is upwards of £100,000. the vat on one rolls royce— is upwards of £100,000. the vat on one rolls royce .— is upwards of £100,000. the vat on one rolls royce . so a rich on one rolls royce. so a rich peeon— on one rolls royce. so a rich peon puye— on one rolls royce. so a rich peon puye o— on one rolls royce. so a rich person buys a posh car and we get— person buys a posh car and we ger roo— person buys a posh car and we ger roe grono— person buys a posh car and we get 100 grand straight into the norron-e— get 100 grand straight into the nation's coffers. _ get 100 grand straight into the nation's coffers. and you want to nation's coffers. and you want ro ger— nation's coffers. and you want ro ger no— nation's coffers. and you want ro ger no or— nation's coffers. and you want to get rid of these— nation's coffers. and you want to get rid of these people. how eoee— to get rid of these people. how ooee mor— to get rid of these people. how does that work?— to get rid of these people. how does that work? yes they've got to pay— does that work? yes they've got ro poy merr— does that work? yes they've got to pay their share.— does that work? yes they've got to pay their share. absolutely nur— to pay their share. absolutely our rn— to pay their share. absolutely our m moer— to pay their share. absolutely but in most cases, it's a great myrn— but in most cases, it's a great myrn mor— but in most cases, it's a great myrn rnor rney— but in most cases, it's a great myth that they don't in figures rerorrng— myth that they don't in figures rerorrng ro— myth that they don't in figures relating to 2019,— myth that they don't in figures relating to 2019, when the wealthiest— relating to 2019, when the wealthiest 1%_ relating to 2019, when the wealthiest 1% of the population . rnor-e— wealthiest 1% of the population . rnor-e runn— wealthiest1% of the population . that's right. the— wealthiest 1% of the population . that's right. the wealthiest 1% . that's right. the wealthiest we poro— . that's right. the wealthiest

no poro oore— . that's right. the wealthiest 1% paid 30% of— . that's right. the wealthiest 1% paid 30% of all income tax. ano— 1% paid 30% of all income tax. and one— 1% paid 30% of all income tax. and the wealthiest 10% paid 60% of and the wealthiest 10% paid 60% or ou— and the wealthiest 10% paid 60% or or re— and the wealthiest 10% paid 60% of all taxes. as— and the wealthiest 10% paid 60% of all taxes. as a— and the wealthiest 10% paid 60% of all taxes. as a brave chancellor— of all taxes. as a brave chancellor would give up all of ron— chancellor would give up all of ron wen.— chancellor would give up all of that. well, the— chancellor would give up all of that. well, the billionaires mor— that. well, the billionaires rnor w-wee— that. well, the billionaires that we've already lost have roren— that we've already lost have roren merr— that we've already lost have taken their money with them. well— taken their money with them. well done.— taken their money with them. well done, everyone. with the nrgneer— well done, everyone. with the nrgneer row— well done, everyone. with the highest tax burden since the second— highest tax burden since the second world— highest tax burden since the second world war and with the proepeer— second world war and with the proepeer or— second world war and with the proepeer or on— second world war and with the prospect of an incoming labour governmenr— prospect of an incoming labour government who— prospect of an incoming labour government who have a cultural norreo— government who have a cultural norreo or— government who have a cultural hatred of aspiration and wealth, it hatred of aspiration and wealth, r roote— hatred of aspiration and wealth, r roore rte— hatred of aspiration and wealth, it looks like britain's futile omo— it looks like britain's futile and self—destructive war on weorr— and self—destructive war on weorr wru— and self—destructive war on wealth will continue. but by impoverishing_ wealth will continue. but by impoverishing the nation it will nun— impoverishing the nation it will nun rne— impoverishing the nation it will hurt the poorest,— impoverishing the nation it will hurt the poorest, the most a non— hurt the poorest, the most a non eounrry— hurt the poorest, the most a rich country with— hurt the poorest, the most a rich country with a massive groee— rich country with a massive gross domestic— rich country with a massive gross domestic product and with rich gross domestic product and with non people— gross domestic product and with non peopre rn— gross domestic product and with rich people in it.— gross domestic product and with rich people in it. spending merr— rich people in it. spending rnerr money— rich people in it. spending their money is— rich people in it. spending their money is one which can deliver— their money is one which can deliver for— their money is one which can deliver for all. _ their money is one which can deliver for all. that is what proeperry— deliver for all. that is what prosperity looks— deliver for all. that is what prosperity looks like . as we saw prosperity looks like. as we saw in prosperity looks like. as we saw m nrrorn— prosperity looks like. as we saw in britain and— prosperity looks like. as we saw in britain and america in the eoee— in britain and america in the ewe wrr— in britain and america in the ewe mm o— in britain and america in the 1980s with a massive expansion of 1980s with a massive expansion or rne— 1980s with a massive expansion or one mroore— 1980s with a massive expansion of the middle class and millions of the middle class and millions of working— of the middle class and millions of working class— of the middle class and millions of working class people daring for me— of working class people daring for one mer— of working class people daring for the first time— of working class people daring for the first time ever to dream big for the first time ever to dream rg for— for the first time ever to dream mg for merr— for the first time ever to dream big for their own— for the first time ever to dream big for their own lives , as big for their own lives, as mere— big for their own lives, as mere oe— big for their own lives, as there are plenty of high profile

progreeewee— there are plenty of high profile progressives who— there are plenty of high profile progressives who love to go orouno— progressives who love to go around wearing— progressives who love to go around wearing t shirts that say rney— around wearing t shirts that say rney eor— around wearing t shirts that say rney eor rne— around wearing t shirts that say they eat the rich. _ around wearing t shirts that say they eat the rich. well they'll be eorrng— they eat the rich. well they'll be eating their— they eat the rich. well they'll be eating their words when we rne— be eating their words when we see the consequences of scaring off see the consequences of scaring om weorr— see the consequences of scaring off wealth creators— see the consequences of scaring off wealth creators . it's time off wealth creators. it's time to off wealth creators. it's time ro rowe— off wealth creators. it's time to love bomb— off wealth creators. it's time to love bomb rich people. we need— to love bomb rich people. we need mem— to love bomb rich people. we need them and— to love bomb rich people. we need them and we need their money — need them and we need their money rne— need them and we need their money. the current war on wealth is money. the current war on wealth re morning— money. the current war on wealth re nornrng reee— money. the current war on wealth is nothing less than— money. the current war on wealth is nothing less than a race to me— is nothing less than a race to one porom— is nothing less than a race to the bottom. will— is nothing less than a race to the bottom. will the last rich peeon— the bottom. will the last rich peeon ro— the bottom. will the last rich person to leave— the bottom. will the last rich person to leave britain please ewren— person to leave britain please ewren om— person to leave britain please switch off the _ person to leave britain please switch off the lights before you go? now— switch off the lights before you go? dark times— switch off the lights before you go? dark times lie ahead unless we enonge— go? dark times lie ahead unless we change course— go? dark times lie ahead unless we change course .— we change course. you— we change course. your reaction, mark at gb we change course. _ your reaction, mark at gb news rr. — your reaction, mark at gb news rr. r— your reaction, mark at gb news rr. r reoree— your reaction, mark at gb news .uk. i realise it's— your reaction, mark at gb news .uk. i realise it's a— your reaction, mark at gb news .uk. i realise it's a bit of a now— .uk. i realise it's a bit of a more eew.— .uk. i realise it's a bit of a hard sell. the— .uk. i realise it's a bit of a hard sell. the idea of defending the hard sell. the idea of defending rne euper— hard sell. the idea of defending rne euper non.— hard sell. the idea of defending the super rich, but— hard sell. the idea of defending the super rich, but look how muon— the super rich, but look how muen mey— the super rich, but look how muen rney poy— the super rich, but look how much they pay in taxes . look how much they pay in taxes. look how muon— much they pay in taxes. look how much investment— much they pay in taxes. look how much investment and innovation oney— much investment and innovation rney pung— much investment and innovation rney pnng wnen— much investment and innovation they bring when they come here. ornerwree — they bring when they come here. otherwise they'll— they bring when they come here. otherwise they'll go to paris or

rew— otherwise they'll go to paris or new vow— otherwise they'll go to paris or new york or— otherwise they'll go to paris or new york or dubai _ otherwise they'll go to paris or new york or dubai . is that new york or dubai. is that perrer— new york or dubai. is that perer for— new york or dubai. is that better for britain? i don't minn— better for britain? i don't rnrnr eo— better for britain? i don't think so. but— better for britain? i don't think so. but what's your view? leo-e— think so. but what's your view? leo-e-opmrone- think so. but what's your view? let's-opinions now- think so. but what's your view? let's opinions now of my let's get the opinions now of my ronroerre— let's get the opinions now of my ronroerre-.— let's get the opinions now of my fantastic-. tonight,- let's get the opinions now of my fantastic . tonight, i'm fantastic pundits. tonight, i'm oerrgnreo— fantastic pundits. tonight, i'm oengnreo ro— fantastic pundits. tonight, i'm delighted to welcome journalist and delighted to welcome journalist me me— delighted to welcome journalist and the former— delighted to welcome journalist and the former editor of labourlist_ and the former editor of labourlist ,— and the former editor of labourlist , peter edwards , labourlist, peter edwards, broadcaster— labourlist, peter edwards, broadcaster and tv host ingrid mmom.— broadcaster and tv host ingrid rorronr. omo— broadcaster and tv host ingrid tarrant, and gb— broadcaster and tv host ingrid tarrant, and gb news star and moment— tarrant, and gb news star and financial analyst— tarrant, and gb news star and financial analyst albie amankona . so.— financial analyst albie amankona . so. peren— financial analyst albie amankona . so. rerer. rer— financial analyst albie amankona . so, peter, let me— financial analyst albie amankona . so, peter, let me start with you.— . so, peter, let me start with you. your— . so, peter, let me start with you. your reaction- . so, peter, let me start with you. your reaction to the news mor— you. your reaction to the news rnor rnere — you. your reaction to the news that there are _ you. your reaction to the news that there are now— you. your reaction to the news that there are now fewer billionaires— that there are now fewer billionaires in- that there are now fewer billionaires in britain? this is remote.— billionaires in britain? this is terrible, isn't— billionaires in britain? this is terrible, isn't it?— billionaires in britain? this is terrible, isn't it? \nrir “

why am i so sceptical about measuring a country about its billionaires status? because in some cases being a billionaire means several other million people have had some bad luck along the way. so there are great british success stories like dyson and very clever people globally like warren buffett. but then there are other investors who don't always do the right thing. so, for example, bill gates is an incredibly clever man. but but microsoft has repeatedly broken antitrust and anti—competition antitrust and anti —competition rules antitrust and anti—competition rules and regulations in europe and in other parts of the world. or i should say bill gates obviously done a lot in retirement in terms of anti malaria but just being a malaria stuff. but just being a billionaire means getting very rich. but then it means getting very rich at someone else's expense. very rich at someone else's expense . finally, don't expense. finally, i don't think there's a war on wealth. and if you look at the labour party today, trying today, it's all about trying to grow the economy again. the parties around parties have coalesced around that is a war that message. what is a war on weorr— that message. what is a war on weorr-rne— that message. what is a war on wealth-the highest- 3 what is a war on wealth the highest level wealth if not the highest level of wealth if not the highest level or roxorron— wealth if not the highest level of taxation since _ wealth if not the highest level of taxation since the second wowe— of taxation since the second wono wore— of taxation since the second world war?-we- of taxation since the second. world war? _we . know of taxation since the second- world war?-we . know why world war? but we all know why that covid and we don't that is a covid and we don't need arguments need to rehash the arguments about but was the

about lockdown. but that was the biggest in biggest driver. and i think in the update from the obe, the last update from the obe, who were the independent forecaster, are forecaster, they said there are two reasons why the two clear reasons why the economy's been held economy's growth had been held back covid and brexit, and we can argue about those, but they are the reasons. well, i think , are the reasons. well, i think, mmo.— are the reasons. well, i think, .ngag, r-e— are the reasons. well, i think, ingrid, it's bad— are the reasons. well, i think, ingrid, it's bad news- are the reasons. well, i think, ingrid, it's bad news if- riii; well, i think, ingrid, it's bad news if britain is-billionaires. - ingrid, it's bad news if britain is-billionaires. i- ingrid, it's bad news if britain is billionaires. i said is losing billionaires. i said in is losing billionaires. i said n my— is losing billionaires. i said m my mg— is losing billionaires. i said in my big opinion , it's very sad in my big opinion, it's very sad mor— in my big opinion, it's very sad moo-rn— in my big opinion, it's very sad that-in.unequal- that we live in an unequal woun— that we live in an unequal wono. nur— that we live in an unequal world. but if— that we live in an unequal world. but if these rich people reowe— world. but if these rich people leave britain,— world. but if these rich people leave britain, they will spend merr— leave britain, they will spend their- somewhere - leave britain, they will spend their somewhere else. their money somewhere else. y...— their money somewhere else. wee-mey— their money somewhere else. wee. _wey er. - yes, of course they will. i don't and covid don't think brexit and covid really has anything to do with it because was that before it because it was that before that will continue . you that and it will continue. you continue decline. yes it will continue to decline. yes it will just continue because it's easy. target the structure of the tax is not fair. the stealth tax that you get involved in that as well, which you know the hidden taxes and things like that. and you're absolutely right when you say sort of like you're killing the goose that the golden the goose that lays the golden 999, the goose that lays the golden egg, you have that egg, if you don't have that person at top , you look at person at the top, you look at what person creates all the what that person creates all the way it's not just an way down. and it's not just an employment, it's an expenditure

putting money into the economy, buying the rolls—royce, as you say, that that feeds it say, that puts that feeds it into that keeps into the economy, that keeps those people. it's huge ripple those people. it's a huge ripple effect from which everybody ultimately benefits. if they've got it, they're going to spend it. and if they're going to spend it, they need people around facilitate around them to facilitate whatever it is that they buy. they do, travel, they want. they do, they travel, they want. you know, i think it's i think it's grossly unfair to suggest that they don't deserve it. they've they've been intelligent. yes, it's true . intelligent. yes, it's true. people have probably had opportunities that they haven't recognised and they've made mistakes . yes. and they've mistakes. yes. and they've become millionaire, not the become the millionaire, not the billionaire never billionaire or they've never even the millionaire in even become the millionaire in the first place. that is just life. that's we're not robots. it's the way that we live our lives. we make choices. and sometimes we make the wrong choices . but sometimes we make the wrong choices. but we sometimes we make the wrong choices . but we shouldn't be. choices. but we shouldn't be. nobody should be penalised. that hasn't got the money that isn't a millionaire that's actually on the poverty line or that is a

billionaire. okay? this life albie attacking the rich makes headunes albie attacking the rich makes headlines. it albie attacking the rich makes headlines . it might albie attacking the rich makes headlines. it might win albie attacking the rich makes headlines . it might win votes, headlines. it might win votes, but headlines. it might win votes, our r— headlines. it might win votes, but it damages— headlines. it might win votes, but it damages the— 2 it might win votes, but it damages the country. arme— but it damages the country. amie loon— but it damages the country. amie loon. r— but it damages the country. arnie look, i think- but it damages the country. arnie look, i think ultimately , arnie look, i think ultimately, of course, it's a bad thing to see the number of billionaires in the kingdom , but many in the united kingdom, but many on left would celebrate . on the left would celebrate. well, that is a well, i think that is a misguided— well, i think that is a misguided but misguided celebration. but eguory— misguided celebration. but eguory .— misguided celebration. but eguory. r— misguided celebration. but equally , i would agree with equally, i would agree with rerer— equally, i would agree with me mor— equally, i would agree with peter that judging the success of o— peter that judging the success of o eounrry— peter that judging the success of a country purely based on a numepr— of a country purely based on a numepr or— of a country purely based on a number of billionaires is propopry— number of billionaires is propopry o— number of billionaires is probably a bit- number of billionaires is probably a bit of a crude measure to— probably a bit of a crude measure to decide. �*vw�* . measure to decide. whether it's not a good sign, though, is it? well, good sign. well, it's not a good sign. i r— well, it's not a good sign. i mean, i would— well, it's not a good sign. i mean, i would like britain to be the—billionaires.- the home of the billionaires. i would—ro- the home of the billionaires. i wouro—ro pe- the home of the billionaires. i would—to be a- the home of the billionaires. i would—to be a i. would like britain to be a i wom— would like britain to be a i wonrlro— would like britain to be a i wonrlro pe— would like britain to be a i want to be magnet the want it to be a magnet for the euper— want it to be a magnet for the euper-eounrry.— want it to be a magnet for the super-country.-i- want it to be a magnet for the super country. i don't super rich country. but i don't mow— super rich country. but i don't know mor— super rich country. but i don't know that measuring number super rich country. but i don't kn billionairesasuring number super rich country. but i don't kn billionaires isiring number super rich country. but i don't kn billionaires is the| number super rich country. but i don't kn billionaires is the best number of billionaires is the best measure prosperity . there are measure of prosperity. there are mony— measure of prosperity. there are many different— measure of prosperity. there are many different prosperity, and it's many different prosperity, and r-e-ergn— many different prosperity, and r-e-ergn .— many different prosperity, and it's sign , though, isn't it's a good sign, though, isn't it? it's a good sign, though, isn't roe-o— it's a good sign, though, isn't roe-o gooe— it's a good sign, though, isn't it?-a good metric.- it's a good sign, though, isn't it? a good metric. mean, it? it's a good metric. i mean, youe— it? it's a good metric. i mean, you'relfinancial_ it? it's a good metric. i mean, you're financial analyst. for you're a financial analyst. for exompte— you're a financial analyst. for. example,_|nstitute example, the legatum institute has something called a proeperry— has something called a prosperity index, where it takes moo— prosperity index, where it takes moo-o— prosperity index, where it takes into-a number- prosperity index, where it takes into-a number of- into account a number of different— into account a number of different factors. and it's not puer— different factors. and it's not tuer poeeo— different factors. and it's not just based i how - different factors. and it's not just based how many just based on how many billionaires— just based on how many billionaires there are the billionaires there are in the county.— billionaires there are in the country-think- billionaires there are in the country. think when billionaires there are in the- country.-think when we country. so i just think when we wnen— country. so i just think when we wnen-or— country. so i just think when we wnen-or rnrnge- country. so i just think when we when at things through when we look at things through rneee— these crude measures of how many

prronoree— these crude measures of how many billionaires-yes- these crude measures of how many billionaires-yes it- billionaires are there. yes it generoree— billionaires are there. yes it generates headline. yes, it generates a headline. yes, it generoree— generates a headline. yes, it generates-point,. generates a headline. yes, it generates point, but generates a talking point, but it generates a talking point, but r-more— generates a talking point, but r-more rne— generates a talking point, but it make the world go it does make the world go orouno — it does make the world go. around. _make around. money does make the world and that world go round. and it's that that the point i actually i that is the point i actually i totally agree with you because i do think it is a measure. i think it's a measure of how this country provides opportunity pages for people to become rich. it goes back to thatcher's days where the yuppies, you know, the young, upwardly mobile, upwardly mobile professional, the young urban professionals. it was wasn't it? and look what happened from there emerged this a wealth of very clever people that seized the opportunity and made the opportunity and actually became rich off the back of it. we shouldn't thwart that because it then it prevents people from wanting to, for example , china has more example, china has more billionaires than the united the united kingdom . would you say united kingdom. would you say that united kingdom. would you say rnor cnrno— united kingdom. would you say that china was— united kingdom. would you say that china was a— united kingdom. would you say that china was a more- .i.“ o1i2 32 would you say that china was a more successful eounrry— that china was a more successful eounrry for— that china was a more successful country for most— that china was a more successful country for most people living in country for most people living m roe— country for most people living m roe re— country for most people living in it? is that— country for most people living in it? is that number or percentage? - in it? is that number or percentage? \nrir in it? is that number or percentage? xi; in it? is that number or percentage? \nrir in it? is that number or percentage? \rir in it? is that number or- percentage? no , but this is why percentage? no, but this is why i say it's a good number of

billionaires. iagree. i say it's a good number of billionaires. i agree. it's not me— billionaires. i agree. it's not one-meme.— billionaires. i agree. it's not rne-merne. — billionaires. i agree. it's not the-metric. it's- billionaires. i agree. it's not the-metric. it's not. billionaires. i agree. it's noti the-metric. it's not the the only metric. it's not the only— the only metric. it's not the only measure only metric way to measure a country's the country's success. it's not the only , still think only metric, but i still think it's one. your it's a significant one. your reaction? let me know. mark@gbnews.uk okay. next up, you won-r— mark@gbnews.uk okay. next up, you won't believe— mark@gbnews.uk okay. next up, you won't believe story . you won't believe this story. some— you won't believe this story. some rg— you won't believe this story. some big countries are some big eu countries are puenrng— some big eu countries are puenrng poet— some big eu countries are pushing back on the plan to cut orpon— pushing back on the plan to cut carbon emissions.— pushing back on the plan to cut carbon emissions. the germans are carbon emissions. the germans orggrng— carbon emissions. the germans are now digging for coal. is the for— are now digging for coal. is the for ner— are now digging for coal. is the case for net zero— are now digging for coal. is the case for net zero crumbling? moo-e— case for net zero crumbling? rnor-e .—

you're listening monitor that. you're listening to monitor that. you're listening o no— monitor that. you're listening o no wewe— monitor that. you're listening to gb news radio— monitor that. you're listening to gb news radio .- you're listening to gb news radio . well look, to gb news radio. well look, a big to gb news radio. well look, a pig reoerron— to gb news radio. well look, a big reaction to— to gb news radio. well look, a big reaction to my— to gb news radio. well look, a big reaction to my big opinion . big reaction to my big opinion. anu— big reaction to my big opinion. wno rye— big reaction to my big opinion. and two reen— big reaction to my big opinion. and i've been defending- and i've been defending billionaires. we need them in this country. we need them to spend their money in britain and to invest here. this from richard. hi, mark. billionaires are leaving because they're fed up with the high tax. well hating, bloated state lands scape that the country seems to be morphing into. we should celebrate success, not look at it with envy or use the rich as

a cash point to raise money. if we keep doing this, the billionaire tax take will soon be empty . christine, good be empty. christine, good evening . how are you? thank you evening. how are you? thank you for your email market gb news .uk evening. mark says christine margaret thatcher was very successful in creating a snatch and grab society. if you want it, just snatch it. no matter who you trample on. this is not success. so christine , they're success. so christine, they're pushing back on my sunny recollections of the 1980s. lynn says tax receipts rose because the tories are taxing the middle classes to the point they're also leaving the other half of the country lives on their taxes , aka benefits known coyly as the state to their entitled minds. money grows on trees and it comes from the rich . labour it comes from the rich. labour are living in the 19th century. look, i get some more of your emails shortly. always fascinating, but it's time now for the big story and the spectator journalist ross clark has written that europe is turning against net zero, with

germany tackling the energy crisis by wait for it reopen burning coal mines. the german energy giant rwa is removing a wind farm to dig for lignite. the dirtiest form of coal and the fortunes of germany's green party are in reverse, with its share of the vote plunging to its lowest level in 20 years. meanwhile well, as ross clark points out in the spectator, the french president emmanuel macron, has changed his tune as well, asserting that europe has gone far enough in passing laws to abate carbon emissions. gone far enough in passing laws to abate carbon emissions . and to abate carbon emissions. and it's now the turn of other countries, even even woke. joe biden has declined to set any kind of target, still less a legally binding one to achieve carbon neutrality by 2050 or any other date, he has continued to approve new oil and gas drilling in alaska . and we know that in alaska. and we know that fracking is a massive part of the american energy mix. so is

the american energy mix. so is the case for net zero crumbling and is the appetite for it beginning to diminish? to discuss this, i'm delighted to say that ross clark joins me now. and ross, as other countries back off, we're the mugs here bankrupting ourselves to cut carbon emissions . well, to cut carbon emissions. well, that's exactly what— i i“ well, that's exactly what emmanuel moron— that's exactly what emmanuel woron noe— that's exactly what emmanuel macron has come— that's exactly what emmanuel macron has come to the eoneuerron— macron has come to the conclusion. and while europe has been— conclusion. and while europe has been ryrng— conclusion. and while europe has been ryrng re— conclusion. and while europe has been tying its hands behind its poor— been tying its hands behind its poet wrr— been tying its hands behind its back with these _ been tying its hands behind its back with these legally binding . wer— back with these legally binding . wer ero— back with these legally binding . net zero targets, the world's prggeer— . net zero targets, the world's biggest polluters, us and china, oney-re— biggest polluters, us and china, rney-re nor— biggest polluters, us and china, they're not setting— biggest polluters, us and china, they're not setting legally binding— they're not setting legally binding targets. they're not setting legally binding targets . um, what is joe binding targets. um, what is joe biden— binding targets. um, what is joe biden oornge— binding targets. um, what is joe biden doing? he's— binding targets. um, what is joe biden doing? he's just passed rne— biden doing? he's just passed rnre wnor— biden doing? he's just passed this what euphemistically named rnronon— this what euphemistically named inflation reduction act, which is inflation reduction act, which re reouy— inflation reduction act, which re reory o— inflation reduction act, which is really a $400— inflation reduction act, which is really a $400 billion bung to green— is really a $400 billion bung to green industries— is really a $400 billion bung to green industries in america . green industries in america. re— green industries in america. it's basically— green industries in america. it's basically a— green industries in america. it's basically a protection , it's basically a protection, noneer— it's basically a protection, honest device. _ it's basically a protection, honest device. and what biden is eoyrng— honest device. and what biden is eoyrng re.— honest device. and what biden is eoyrng re. wen.— honest device. and what biden is saying is, well, you— honest device. and what biden is saying is, well, you know, we wom— saying is, well, you know, we wonr peopre — saying is, well, you know, we wonr peopre ro— saying is, well, you know, we want people to buy electric

r— want people to buy electric r wom— want people to buy electric cars. i want them to buy heat pumps— cars. i want them to buy heat pumpe omo— cars. i want them to buy heat pumpe ono eo— cars. i want them to buy heat pumps and so on.— cars. i want them to buy heat pumps and so on. but they've got to pumps and so on. but they've got o te— pumps and so on. but they've got ro re o— pumps and so on. but they've got to be a american— pumps and so on. but they've got to be a american cars and oney-we— to be a american cars and oney-we gor— to be a american cars and oney-we gor ro— to be a american cars and they've got to be american heat pumps— they've got to be american heat pumpe .— they've got to be american heat pumpe . wno.— they've got to be american heat pumpe . one. you— they've got to be american heat pumps . and, you know , this this pumps. and, you know, this this noe— pumps. and, you know, this this noe groououy— pumps. and, you know, this this has gradually dawned on the eu. wen.— has gradually dawned on the eu. wer. you— has gradually dawned on the eu. wer. you know.— has gradually dawned on the eu. well, you know, if— has gradually dawned on the eu. well, you know, if us is going to well, you know, if us is going ro ome— well, you know, if us is going to come over all— well, you know, if us is going to come over all protectionist rte— to come over all protectionist like me— to come over all protectionist like this, well— to come over all protectionist like this, well ,— to come over all protectionist like this, well , it— to come over all protectionist like this, well , it could to come over all protectionist like this, well, it could rip a lot like this, well, it could rip a or or— like this, well, it could rip a or or me— like this, well, it could rip a lot of the heart— like this, well, it could rip a lot of the heart out of european rnouerry— lot of the heart out of european rnouerry .— lot of the heart out of european rnouerry . rnree— lot of the heart out of european industry. three and already noo— industry. three and already we've had businesses in britain omo— we've had businesses in britain on europe.— we've had businesses in britain and europe, which— we've had businesses in britain and europe, which have thought, wen.— and europe, which have thought, well. you— and europe, which have thought, wer. you know.— and europe, which have thought, well, you know, well , rather well, you know, well, rather mon— well, you know, well, rather rnon um — well, you know, well, rather rnon um .— well, you know, well, rather rnon. um .you— well, you know, well, rather than, um , you know, carry on in than, um, you know, carry on in europe— than, um, you know, carry on in europe .— than, um, you know, carry on in europe . wen.— than, um, you know, carry on in europe , well, let's— than, um, you know, carry on in europe , well, let's relocate our europe, well, let's relocate our operorron— europe, well, let's relocate our operorron ro— europe, well, let's relocate our operation to america where we ger— operation to america where we ger o— operation to america where we ger o enoe— operation to america where we can get a slice of— operation to america where we can get a slice of these huge pig.— can get a slice of these huge one. rneee.— can get a slice of these huge the, these, these— can get a slice of these huge the, these, these huge subsidies mor— the, these, these huge subsidies rnor nove— the, these, these huge subsidies that have been— the, these, these huge subsidies that have been handed out and moron— that have been handed out and moon noe— that have been handed out and macron has basically had enough. and wnor— macron has basically had enough. and wnor nee— macron has basically had enough. and what he's saying is that europe— and what he's saying is that europe noe— and what he's saying is that europe has gone— and what he's saying is that europe has gone far enough for the europe has gone far enough for one moment— europe has gone far enough for the moment in— europe has gone far enough for the moment in greening itself, greening— the moment in greening itself, greenmg re— the moment in greening itself, greening its industry and so on. if greening its industry and so on. r we— greening its industry and so on. r we go— greening its industry and so on. r we go oneoo— greening its industry and so on. if we go ahead and a faster epeeo— if we go ahead and a faster epeeo rnom— if we go ahead and a faster speed than the— if we go ahead and a faster speed than the rest of the wig,— speed than the rest of the wig, ou—

speed than the rest of the world, all that's going to noppen— world, all that's going to noppen re— world, all that's going to happen is we're going to lose rnouerry— happen is we're going to lose rnouerry .— happen is we're going to lose our industry . our— happen is we're going to lose our industry . our industry is our industry. our industry is going— our industry. our industry is going ro— our industry. our industry is going ro oron— our industry. our industry is going to drain away to the us omo— going to drain away to the us on cnrno— going to drain away to the us on cnrno .— going to drain away to the us and china . yeah,— going to drain away to the us and china . yeah, but the sad and china. yeah, but the sad rnrng— and china. yeah, but the sad rnrng re— and china. yeah, but the sad rnrng re mor— and china. yeah, but the sad thing is that ,— and china. yeah, but the sad thing is that , um, britain seems thing is that, um, britain seems to thing is that, um, britain seems o te— thing is that, um, britain seems ro re o— thing is that, um, britain seems ro re o pr— thing is that, um, britain seems to be a bit lagging behind on me— to be a bit lagging behind on one. nm— to be a bit lagging behind on one. um you— to be a bit lagging behind on this. um you know, the penny has yet this. um you know, the penny has yer ro— this. um you know, the penny has yer ro drop— this. um you know, the penny has yer ro orop rn— this. um you know, the penny has yet to drop in britain in the way— yet to drop in britain in the woy mor— yet to drop in britain in the woy rnor r— yet to drop in britain in the way that it has— yet to drop in britain in the way that it has with emmanuel noon-on — way that it has with emmanuel noon-on wee.— way that it has with emmanuel macron. yes. and— way that it has with emmanuel macron. yes. and also i wonder wnerner— macron. yes. and also i wonder whether elsewhere— macron. yes. and also i wonder whether elsewhere the penny is beginning— whether elsewhere the penny is beginning ro— whether elsewhere the penny is beginning to drop, that these sustainable— beginning to drop, that these sustainable sources of energy are sustainable sources of energy puenrng— sustainable sources of energy puenrng up— sustainable sources of energy are pushing up the cost of energy— are pushing up the cost of energy for— are pushing up the cost of energy for consumers and they're not energy for consumers and they're nor very— energy for consumers and they're not very reliable.— energy for consumers and they're not very reliable. _ energy for consumers and they're not very reliable. plus, electric— not very reliable. plus, electric cars— not very reliable. plus, electric cars are difficult to charge . well, well, exactly . i charge. well, well, exactly. i mean, one of the— risritigi well, well, exactly. i mean, one of the reasons rnouernee— mean, one of the reasons industries have- mean, one of the reasons industries have been draining owoy— industries have been draining owoy ro— industries have been draining away to southeast asia from europe — away to southeast asia from europe for— away to southeast asia from europe for years— away to southeast asia from europe for years and years is peuee— europe for years and years is peuee or— europe for years and years is because of cheap— europe for years and years is because of cheap energy prices andr— because of cheap energy prices .nd, you— because of cheap energy prices one. you know.— because of cheap energy prices and, you know, china is , um, you and, you know, china is, um, you know.— and, you know, china is, um, you know. r-e— and, you know, china is, um, you know. r-e o— and, you know, china is, um, you know. r-e o org— and, you know, china is, um, you know, it's a big investor in green— know, it's a big investor in green energy— know, it's a big investor in green energy .— know, it's a big investor in green energy , biggest green energy, biggest manufacturer of solar panels, prggeer— manufacturer of solar panels, biggest investor— manufacturer of solar panels, biggest investor there in in wno.— biggest investor there in in wrno. we— biggest investor there in in wind. we wind— biggest investor there in in wind. we wind farms. but it's

oreo— wind. we wind farms. but it's oreo rne— wind. we wind farms. but it's also the world's— wind. we wind farms. but it's also the world's biggest rnweeror— also the world's biggest investor in— also the world's biggest investor in coal plants. it's a you— investor in coal plants. it's a you know.— investor in coal plants. it's a you know. me— investor in coal plants. it's a you know, this great growing rnouerry— you know, this great growing rnouerry rn— you know, this great growing industry in china. it wants they wom— industry in china. it wants they wonr energy— industry in china. it wants they want energy from _ industry in china. it wants they want energy from all forms . and want energy from all forms. and you know— want energy from all forms. and you know what? _ want energy from all forms. and you know what? �*fw�*ri ”c: 2rir “g 1“ 1“ you know what? we're doing in in europe, though, in particularly in britain, is we're saying, you know , we're going to tie know, we're going to tie ourselves , tie our arms behind ourselves, tie our arms behind ourselves, tie our arms behind our backs by only having sort of wind and solar trying to get by on wind and solar alone and what it's going to mean is that, you know, high energy consumers and steelmaking cement making and all manner of other industries will find it have this huge incentive now to relocate to china and well, now to america as well, with biden's great green bungs now , of course, it's green bungs now, of course, it's worth pointing out that the majority of mainstream scientists take the view that the planet is heating up. it's going to cause huge “g o. it's going to cause huge economic and eeorogreor— going to cause huge economic and ecological problems. it's going to

ecological problems. it's going o te— ecological problems. it's going ro re o— ecological problems. it's going to be a humanitarian crisis as well.— to be a humanitarian crisis as well. mere— to be a humanitarian crisis as well. there will— to be a humanitarian crisis as well. there will be mass mrgrorron.— well. there will be mass migration. it— well. there will be mass migration. it will be chaos, say the migration. it will be chaos, say one expene— migration. it will be chaos, say one expene .— migration. it will be chaos, say the experts . but— migration. it will be chaos, say the experts . but we've got to the experts. but we've got to get— the experts. but we've got to ger rnoee— the experts. but we've got to get those carbon _ the experts. but we've got to get those carbon emissions down in get those carbon emissions down m oroer— get those carbon emissions down m oroer ro— get those carbon emissions down m oroer ro erop— get those carbon emissions down in order to stop the— get those carbon emissions down in order to stop the damage. rowee— in order to stop the damage. however there. _ in order to stop the damage. however there. what do you think opour— however there. what do you think opour rne— however there. what do you think opour one long— however there. what do you think about the long term? i mean, do you— about the long term? i mean, do you eee— about the long term? i mean, do you ner— about the long term? i mean, do you see net zero— about the long term? i mean, do you see net zero ever really noppenrnge— you see net zero ever really happening? n0— you see net zero ever really happening? no one's ever satisfactorily _ happening? no one's ever satisfactorily answered this gueerron— satisfactorily answered this question, which is what's the porno— question, which is what's the point or— question, which is what's the point of countries like britain reouemg— point of countries like britain reducing their— point of countries like britain reducing their carbon emissions at reducing their carbon emissions or greor— reducing their carbon emissions or greor eoeo— reducing their carbon emissions at great cost if— reducing their carbon emissions at great cost if countries like cnrno— at great cost if countries like cnrno omo— at great cost if countries like china and brazil— at great cost if countries like china and brazil and india do more — china and brazil and india do more neon.— china and brazil and india do more neon. r— china and brazil and india do not? yeah, i mean- china and brazil and india do not? yeah, i mean ,- china and brazil and india do not? “rip? 1“ 1“ not? yeah, i mean, as you say, there is every incentive for the world to invest in green energy, to move away from carbon emissions and eventually to attain carbon neutrality. but there is really no point in a few small countries moving ahead of others. while those big emitters aren't , you know, emitters aren't, you know, following suit and what we've got at the moment is, you know, when this zero carbon commitment

was nodded through parliament in 2019 without even a vote , it has 2019 without even a vote, it has to be said, the idea was that we would manage to inspire the rest of the world to follow suit. well, we inspired a few other european countries . france made european countries. france made the same commitment in the same week as we did. but, you the same commitment in the same week as we did . but, you know, week as we did. but, you know, three years on, four years on now, indeed . and, um, you know, now, indeed. and, um, you know, there's a maximum of around 17 countries which have made a legally binding net zero commitment. but some of them are, you know, minnows like fiji and luxembourg, which hardly have any significant emissions in the first place, whereas the really big emitters china and the us, russia , you know, they the us, russia, you know, they have not, you know, made these legally binding commitments in the way we have. and you know, if it goes on like this, where europe's just sort of undermining its industry and the

rest of the world isn't. well, you know, as i say, all it's going to happen is industry is going to happen is industry is going to happen is industry is going to go out to big going to go out to those big emitters , the china's and emitters, the china's and america's , and it doesn't america's, and it doesn't achieve anything on a global scale. in fact, it makes things worse because you know, if you make a tonne of steel in britain, well, it's some using pretty clean electricity. we have very little coal fired power in britain anymore. it's mostly wind, solar and gas. but, you know, if you make that tonne of steel in china, well, it's going to be made with coal fired electricity, which is, you know, far dirtier. so we're , you know, far dirtier. so we're, you know, the net zero commitment, the sort of unit lateral net zero commitments actually making things worse from a global point of view . great piece in the of view. great piece in the speeroror— of view. great piece in the speeroror .— of view. great piece in the speeroror . ry— . great piece in the spectator . my thanks to the spectator. my thanks to the erronr— spectator. my thanks to the brilliant journalist and writer forme— brilliant journalist and writer for one one— brilliant journalist and writer for the one and— brilliant journalist and writer for the one and only ross clark . monke— for the one and only ross clark . thanks, ross.— for the one and only ross clark . thanks, ross. we'll catch up soon. we've been— . thanks, ross. we'll catch up soon. we've been asking you

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for the kind compliment. net zero ploy by russia and zero is a ploy by russia and china to get of the annoying china to get rid of the annoying west field free for west. then the field is free for them to the world. plus, them to rule the world. plus, electric cars are not better for the environment. they're destroying a destroying it, but in a different way , daniel says . different way, daniel says. mark, the germans are two—faced hypocrites . when the uk was part hypocrites. when the uk was part of the eu , it was the germans of the eu, it was the germans who were dictating to us to cut our emissions. when it was they in the french who released more than us and darryl says evening mark. europe has got the right idea. change is nothing idea. climate change is nothing new. it's happened many times before and no amount of net zero nonsense stop it. nonsense is going to stop it. let's get on with life. stop falling for the eco mentalist claptrap mark as claptrap i should and enjoy the warmer should say, and enjoy the warmer summers. thank you, darryl. keep those emails coming. mark@gbnews.uk where is that warm summer? it's a cold spring, isn't it? reacting to the big stories of the day, my top pundits, peter edwards, former stories of the day, my top punditof peter edwards, former stories of the day, my top punditof labourlist rds, former stories of the day, my top punditof labourlist and former editor of labourlist and political commentator , political commentator, broadcaster and tv presenter ingnd broadcaster and tv presenter ingrid tarrant, and albie amankona financial analyst,

political commentator and gb news star, of course, one of the presenters of the brand new gb news hit show, the saturday five. now this week the treasury revealed the total cost of the queen's funeral and lying in state cost the taxpayer . £162 state cost the taxpayer. £162 million. a quarter of a million people queued to pay their respects during the lying in state and more than 2000 guests attended the straits state funeral. the met police said the funeral. the met police said the funeral was the biggest policing eventin funeral was the biggest policing event in history, but was it worth the money? albie do you know? i would have said yes rnrtory— know? i would have said yes rnrrrouy .— know? i would have said yes initially, but— know? i would have said yes initially, but then— know? i would have said yes initially, but then i- , i would have said yes initially , but then i saw how initially, but then i saw how muon— initially, but then i saw how muen omen— initially, but then i saw how much other state funerals costed in much other state funerals costed m re — much other state funerals costed m re poer— much other state funerals costed m re poer omo— much other state funerals costed in the past and the— much other state funerals costed in the past and the cost of rnneeee— in the past and the cost of princess diana's- in the past and the cost of princess diana's funeral, which woenr— princess diana's funeral, which woenr o— princess diana's funeral, which wasn't a state— princess diana's funeral, which wasn't a state funeral, but if we oro— wasn't a state funeral, but if we on mor— wasn't a state funeral, but if we did that in— wasn't a state funeral, but if we did that in today's money, it would— we did that in today's money, it would nove— we did that in today's money, it would have costed_ we did that in today's money, it would have costed £8 million, unnee— would have costed £8 million, omo— would have costed £8 million, wince and churchill's funeral poet— wince and churchill's funeral rock n— wince and churchill's funeral back in 1965. _ wince and churchill's funeral back in 1965. so— wince and churchill's funeral back in 1965. so a long time ago . ormoer— back in 1965. so a long time ago . ormoer ew— back in 1965. so a long time ago , almost six years— back in 1965. so a long time ago , almost six years now , would , almost six years now, would eoeo— , almost six years now, would eoer er— , almost six years now, would cost £1 million.— , almost six years now, would cost £1 million. in— , almost six years now, would cost £1 million. in today's money— cost £1 million. in today's roney .— cost £1 million. in today's roney . so— cost £1 million. in today's money . so we're just wondering, money. so we're just wondering, why— money. so we're just wondering, wny oro— money. so we're just wondering, wny on one— money. so we're just wondering, why did the queen's funeral cost so why did the queen's funeral cost eo-oe— why did the queen's funeral cost so _more more than - why did the queen's funeral cost so more more than these so much more more than these omen— so much more more than these orner moeewe—

so much more more than these other massive state occasions? rowewer. r— other massive state occasions? rowewer. r we— other massive state occasions? however, it was a _ other massive state occasions? however, it was a celebration of her life. and was it not a celebration of our culture and our traditions to wasn't it really a chance to show off? gb limited, of course it was. but i just think when— limited, of course it was. but i just think when you— just think when you compare that eoeo— just think when you compare that eoer ro— just think when you compare that eoer ro eoe— just think when you compare that cost to some of— just think when you compare that cost to some of the— just think when you compare that cost to some of the other costs for ermror— cost to some of the other costs for similar events— cost to some of the other costs for similar events ,— cost to some of the other costs for similar events , you just for similar events, you just woneor— for similar events, you just woneor wny— for similar events, you just wonder why for— for similar events, you just wonder why for this event it was so wonder why for this event it was eo muon— wonder why for this event it was so much more expensive and if it worue ror— so much more expensive and if it was value for money. peter i wourun-r— was value for money. peter i wouldn't give a straight answer whether for money whether it's value for money because i think it's just the right if right thing to have done. if you're not going to celebrate the life your longest ever the life of your longest ever serving then life serving monarch, then whose life are to celebrate? are you going to celebrate? clearly? any public clearly? obviously any public spending to be totted up and spending has to be totted up and paid for and we're the ones that pay paid for and we're the ones that pay for it for our taxes. but but it was right thing to but it was the right thing to do. i've heard we can do. and i've not heard we can have a debate about the monarchy . and it's fair enough that republicans get their two penny worth in. but i've not heard anyone say that we shouldn't have as we did in recent have done as we did in recent months with the queen's funeral. so was absolutely right so it was absolutely the right thing could thing to do. ingrid could a celebration late, great

celebration of our late, great queen being done the cheap ? queen being done on the cheap? no, i don't think it could at on— no, i don't think it could at all because— no, i don't think it could at all because when you at all because when you look at every— all because when you look at every rer— all because when you look at every fact matter— all because when you look at every fact matter that went into it, every fact matter that went into r. we — every fact matter that went into r. we ormy— every fact matter that went into it, the army, the— every fact matter that went into it, the army, the military , i.e, it, the army, the military, i.e, rne— it, the army, the military, i.e, rne ronnee— it, the army, the military, i.e, the marines, all— it, the army, the military, i.e, the marines, all that, the eornoge— the marines, all that, the carriage charge, you can't do it on rne— carriage charge, you can't do it on one oneop. — carriage charge, you can't do it on the cheap. you— carriage charge, you can't do it on the cheap. you just can't. rne— on the cheap. you just can't. rnre re— on the cheap. you just can't. rnre re rne— on the cheap. you just can't. this is this is— on the cheap. you just can't. this is this is so— on the cheap. you just can't. this is this is so very british. re— this is this is so very british. we on— this is this is so very british. r-e or rne— this is this is so very british. it's all the splendour, the pomp omo— it's all the splendour, the pomp one one— it's all the splendour, the pomp and the ceremony— it's all the splendour, the pomp and the ceremony and so on. i wru— and the ceremony and so on. i will eoy— and the ceremony and so on. i will say, because— and the ceremony and so on. i will say, because people just took— will say, because people just root or— will say, because people just root or r— will say, because people just look at it and— will say, because people just look at it and it'll be people mor— look at it and it'll be people no propopry— look at it and it'll be people that probably aren't working going,— that probably aren't working going-we— that probably aren't working going, we should have that going, well, we should have that money—eon- going, well, we should have that money—eon or- money, you know, sort of entitlement _ money, you know, sort of entitlement that entitlement and everything that the entitlement and everything that re r— entitlement and everything that re r eoeo— entitlement and everything that the it cost actually £0.70 per peeon— the it cost actually £0.70 per peeon o— the it cost actually £0.70 per peon o row— the it cost actually £0.70 per person a tax paying person to put— person a tax paying person to pur mor— person a tax paying person to pur rnor — person a tax paying person to put that on. and— person a tax paying person to put that on. and compared to the us presidential— put that on. and compared to the us presidential costs it's 200 million— us presidential costs it's 200 million that— us presidential costs it's 200 million that they— us presidential costs it's 200 million that they spend on that every— million that they spend on that every four— million that they spend on that every four yeore— million that they spend on that every four years when they have wnerner— every four years when they have wnerner oney— every four years when they have whether they on _ every four years when they have whether they on the inauguration wnerner— whether they on the inauguration wnerner r-e— whether they on the inauguration whether it's the— whether they on the inauguration whether it's the same president ogorn— whether it's the same president ogorn or— whether it's the same president ogorn or non— whether it's the same president again or not. but— whether it's the same president again or not. but the revenue mor— again or not. but the revenue rnor r— again or not. but the revenue that it generates— again or not. but the revenue that it generates ,— again or not. but the revenue that it generates , it's no point that it generates, it's no point puer— that it generates, it's no point tuer rooting— that it generates, it's no point tuer roong or—

that it generates, it's no point just looking at 162 million. you just looking at162 million. you nove— just looking at162 million. you nove ro— just looking at 162 million. you nove ro oreo— just looking at162 million. you have to also look— just looking at 162 million. you have to also look at the revenue mor— have to also look at the revenue rnor r— have to also look at the revenue that it generates— have to also look at the revenue that it generates .— have to also look at the revenue that it generates . and, you that it generates. and, you know.— that it generates. and, you know. r— that it generates. and, you know. r oe— that it generates. and, you know, it was watched by four n— know, it was watched by four over 4 billion— know, it was watched by four over 4 billion people in the wone— over 4 billion people in the worm. sne— over 4 billion people in the world. she was— over 4 billion people in the world. she was loved . you world. she was loved. you eouron-r— world. she was loved. you couldn't do— world. she was loved. you couldn't do that cheap. that's wnor— couldn't do that cheap. that's wnor mey— couldn't do that cheap. that's what they expect. _ couldn't do that cheap. that's what they expect. and this is very— what they expect. and this is very mmen. — what they expect. and this is very british. so— what they expect. and this is very british. so very british, euen— very british. so very british, euen o— very british. so very british, euen o greor— very british. so very british, such a great way of putting it peuee— such a great way of putting it because there _ such a great way of putting it because there might be lots of rnrnge— because there might be lots of rnrnge we— because there might be lots of things we disagree on. �*" things we disagree on. but if we were talking about our own family member and someone said, did much, we'd did you spend too much, we'd say, were say, how dare you ask? they were our person our mum, our father, the person we that's a great point i we loved. that's a great point i think you made, ingrid, because we loved. that's a great point i think jhownade, ingrid, because we loved. that's a great point i think jhownade, people because that's how many people felt about queen. we're going to about the queen. we're going to cover-starmer- about the queen. we're going to cover-starmer alma- cover the keir starmer alma erory. — cover the keir starmer alma eroryltopour— cover the keir starmer alma story. labour going take cover the keir starmer alma stoback labour going take cover the keir starmer alma stoback intoyur going take cover the keir starmer alma stoback into europeg take cover the keir starmer alma stoback into europe duringke cover the keir starmer alma stoback into europe during the us back into europe during the popere— us back into europe during the popere e— us back into europe during the papers ? because— us back into europe during the papers ? because a couple of papers? because a couple of rnrereerrng— papers? because a couple of interesting stories are bubbling up. interesting stories are bubbling up-rorgep— interesting stories are bubbling up-rorger. or— interesting stories are bubbling up. forget, at 1030 we've interesting stories are bubbling up. tomorrow'st, at 1030 we've interesting stories are bubbling up. tomorrow's front 030 we've interesting stories are bubbling up. tomorrow's front pages. e've interesting stories are bubbling up. tomorrow's front pages. but got tomorrow's front pages. but nexr— got tomorrow's front pages. but new up.— got tomorrow's front pages. but new .p, n— got tomorrow's front pages. but next up, in order— got tomorrow's front pages. but next up, in order to avoid engmonerng— next up, in order to avoid stigmatising people and reflect the stigmatising people and reflect one memory— stigmatising people and reflect the hereditary nature of the oreeoee.— the hereditary nature of the disease, researchers have women— disease, researchers have claimed obesity should be renamed. they've suggested the runeee— renamed. they've suggested the illness could— renamed. they've suggested the illness could be— renamed. they've suggested the illness could be rebranded as enome— illness could be rebranded as chronic appetite.— illness could be rebranded as chronic appetite. dysregulate omo— chronic appetite. dysregulate ono r-e— chronic appetite. dysregulate and it's thought— chronic appetite. dysregulate and it's thought the change coulo— and it's thought the change could go..— and it's thought the change could help encourage people to eeer— could help encourage people to seek treatment—

could help encourage people to seek treatment .— could help encourage people to seek treatment . so should we seek treatment. so should we rename obesity— seek treatment. so should we rename obesity ?_ seek treatment. so should we rename obesity ? ingrid yeah , rename obesity? ingrid yeah, rory— rename obesity? ingrid yeah, rory ouen. — rename obesity? ingrid yeah, fatty ouch. no— rename obesity? ingrid yeah, fatty ouch. \nrir fatty ouch. no offensive. very triggering to people. i know, i know. but really , i've never know. but really, i've never been called fatty before. but no , but how would you— been called fatty before. but no , but how would you feel- 1“ i2 ”c: but no , but how would you feel if you peng— , but how would you feel if you were being called— , but how would you feel if you were being called skinny? grio were being called skinny? i get it were being called skinny? i get r ou— were being called skinny? i get r on me— were being called skinny? i get it all the time.— were being called skinny? i get it all the time. yeah,- were being called skinny? grio o o yeah, but is it it all the time. yeah, but is it a it all the time. yeah, but is it o re— it all the time. yeah, but is it o re r— it all the time. yeah, but is it o re r o— it all the time. yeah, but is it o re r o re— it all the time. yeah, but is it o re r o re r— o o yeah, but is it a is it a is it derogatory ? o o yeah, but is it a is it a is it derogatory 7’ ' a is it a is it derogatory? a eroremenr— a is it a is it derogatory? a statement of— a is it a is it derogatory? a statement of fact?- a is it a is it derogatory? a statement of fact? no, i tell you what i mean. that was a little bit sort of flippant. i have to say. chronic appetite dysregulation. i mean, that is completely ridiculous. what it is, is they're eating too much. they're not getting enough exercise. they're eating junk food and they are going to become obese . how else do you become obese. how else do you describe it that is actually you could be slim . you could be could be slim. you could be perfectly you know, the medium frame is like with sizing what's going to happen there. x x x, x, l, will that be offensive as well? because that means it's extra, extra, extra , extra extra, extra, extra, extra large. why we just go large. why don't we just go extra, extra large then? person well , problem small, well, the problem is small, extra , medium. the idea of

extra small, medium. the idea of enongrng— extra small, medium. the idea of enongrng-woroe— extra small, medium. the idea of enongmg-woroe .— extra small, medium. the idea of changing-words . first- extra small, medium. the idea of changing-words . first of- changing the words. first of an.— changing the words. first of or-enonge- changing the words. first of all, change reality, all, it doesn't change reality, wnen— all, it doesn't change reality, which-someone's- which is if someone's very overweing— overweight, that's a health reeue— overweight, that's a health . rur— overweight, that's a health issue . but also— overweight, that's a health issue . but also idea issue. but also it's the idea mor— issue. but also it's the idea rnor opeery— issue. but also it's the idea that obesity is— issue. but also it's the idea that obesity is a— issue. but also it's the idea that obesity is a disease. well, it's that obesity is a disease. well, r-e-o— that obesity is a disease. well, it's-a disease— that obesity is a disease. well, it's-a disease ,— that obesity is a disease. well, it's-a disease , is- that obesity is a disease. well, it's a disease , is it? it's it's not a disease, is it? it's a it's not a disease, is it? it's o rreeryre— it's not a disease, is it? it's a lifestyle related condition . a lifestyle related condition. an r— a lifestyle related condition. nn r re— a lifestyle related condition. an r r o— a lifestyle related condition. an it is a lifestyle— a lifestyle related condition. an it is a lifestyle related condition. i think there are probably two arguments here. there words that was there were some words that was common describe a black common to describe a black person in the we would person in the past. we would never now because it's never use them now because it's too someone too offensive. yeah. so someone might this is a might argue that this is a natural evolution language natural evolution of language and . calling someone and obesity. calling someone obese is offensive to someone who . although obese who is obese. although obese is not who is obese. although obese is nor-going— who is obese. although obese is nor-going poet— who is obese. although obese is not-going back to- not slang going back to the nonme— not slang going back to the horrific—of- not slang going back to the horrific—of a. not slang going back to the. horrific—of a black horrific descriptions of a black peeon— horrific descriptions of a black pereon-rne— horrific descriptions of a black person-the past,— horrific descriptions of a black person the past, obese city person in the past, obese city is person in the past, obese city re nor— person in the past, obese city re nor o— person in the past, obese city re nor o erup— person in the past, obese city is not a slur, is— person in the past, obese city is not a slur, is it?— person in the past, obese city is not a slur, is it? i mean, opeery— is not a slur, is it? i mean, opeery re— is not a slur, is it? i mean, obesity is already quite a meteor— obesity is already quite a medical term.— obesity is already quite a medical term. well of course. rur— medical term. well of course. our mere— medical term. well of course. but there were— medical term. well of course. but there were words- medical term. well of course. i but there were words _them, but there were words about them, which i will not repeat, which were common language, which were just common language, which now expensive , which now which were expensive, which were then. okay were accepted back then. okay but i argue something but i would argue something different , which that different, which is that actually i don't think being called obese needs to be offensive. i used to be obese. it a matter of fact. and i'm it was a matter of fact. and i'm no longer obese . yes. yes. i no longer obese. yes. yes. i would say when i was younger , i would say when i was younger, i was obese. when i was fat, i was

fat. didn't get offended by me fat. i didn't get offended by me describing myself . was it describing myself. was it helpful that— describing myself. was it helpful that people - 2i “g was it helpful that people were using euen— helpful that people were using euen oweer— helpful that people were using such direct language? would it be such direct language? would it re unnerprur— such direct language? would it be unhelpful to— such direct language? would it be unhelpful to say, you're peneer— be unhelpful to say, you're peneer oe— be unhelpful to say, you're perfect as you _ be unhelpful to say, you're perfect as you are and you've puer— perfect as you are and you've tuer gor— perfect as you are and you've tuer gor o— perfect as you are and you've just got a disorder ? \rir 2rir“ o just got a disorder? no, i don't minn— just got a disorder? no, i don't think that would be helpful at all. but equally, i think if someone says you an obese someone says you are an obese expletive, that's offensive. but just describing someone as obese, that's just because it's critical. that's really errrol— critical. that's really critical, isn't- i.” o riix that's really critical, isn't it? i.” o ri.ix that's really critical, isn't it? but it's peng— critical, isn't it? but it's being honest.- critical, isn't it? but it's being honest. how did you lose the being honest. how did you lose one wergnre — being honest. how did you lose the weight? well,— being honest. how did you lose the weight? �*vvn�*rix the weight? well, this is actually quite a tragic story. i basically had septicaemia and i basically had septicaemia and roe— i basically had septicaemia and re rn— i basically had septicaemia and i was in intensive— i basically had septicaemia and i was in intensive care in saint rory-e— i was in intensive care in saint rory-e noepror— i was in intensive care in saint rory-e noepror .— i was in intensive care in saint mary's hospital , just around the mary's hospital, just around the corner for weeks.— mary's hospital, just around the corner for weeks. and i poereouy— corner for weeks. and i basically woke up skinny. that's omoerng— basically woke up skinny. that's omoerng . — basically woke up skinny. that's omoerng . anu— basically woke up skinny. that's amazing . and then- basically woke up skinny. that's amazing. and then but you changed your the word changed your lifestyle. the word skinny change your lifestyle after that, though, because you could back on. could have put it all back on. i just didn't put weight back could have put it all back on. i justbasically.t weight back could have put it all back on. i justbasically. weight back could have put it all back on. i justbasically. great. ht back could have put it all back on. i justbasically. great. well,:k could have put it all back on. i justbasically. great. well, i'm on, basically. great. well, i'm glad you're well and glad you're well again. and of course, for course, you're back tomorrow for the saturday five. looking forward do forward to that. next up, why do people my meets people murder my mark meets guest is the forensic psychiatrist whose job it is to rehabilitate some of the worst

monsters in our society. can they be cured? that's next. and don't forget, at 10:00, just 15 minutes away, i'll be dealing with harry and meghan and their fake car chase. see you shortly

welcome back to the show. it's time now for this . it's time now time now for this. it's time now for mark meets. and tonight, why people commit some of the darkest crimes , including darkest crimes, including murder. dr. sharon das is a forensic psychiatry artist who treats the so—called criminally insane, many of whom assault, rob, rape or even kill. his work takes him to high security prisons and secure hospital wards across the country, as well as inside courtrooms,

giving evidence as an expert witness, he's put it all into a book which is called ed in two minds stories of murder, justice and recovery from a forensic psychiatrist. and i'm delighted to say dr. sharon das joins me now. congratulations on the release of the book. thank you so much. thank you for having me on, so much. thank you for having me row. — so much. thank you for having me row. leo-e— so much. thank you for having me on, mark. let's make— so much. thank you for having me on, mark. let's make some- .i.“ thank you for having me on, mark. let's make some noise about book. all, about that book. first of all, what this field of what got you into this field of medicine? i've got to be medicine? so i've got to be honest, when i went to medical school, have school, i didn't really have a plan, didn't really feel connected a passionate about connected to a passionate about any that i did. any of the topics that i did. you like, i'm obsessed any of the topics that i did. you the like, i'm obsessed any of the topics that i did. you the liverke, i'm obsessed any of the topics that i did. you the liver .3, i'm obsessed any of the topics that i did. you the liver . exactly. orsed with the liver. exactly. or anything with the liver. exactly. ori anything- nothing with the liver. exactly. or- anything- nothing that anything like that. nothing that reory—unrr- really floated my boat until i did really floated my boat until i oro peyenrorry— really floated my boat until i did psychiatry -_ really floated my boat until i did psychiatry . and it was did psychiatry. and it was ereppmg— did psychiatry. and it was stepping-the- did psychiatry. and it was stepping the bizarre world stepping into the bizarre world of stepping into the bizarre world or people— stepping into the bizarre world or people-ou— stepping into the bizarre world of people all these strange of people with all these strange epeneneee— of people with all these strange epeneneee .— of people with all these strange experiences , delusional beliefs experiences, delusional beliefs mor— experiences, delusional beliefs rnornrer— experiences, delusional beliefs that first-me— experiences, delusional beliefs that first me hooked. and that first got me hooked. and men— that first got me hooked. and men-o— that first got me hooked. and then a placement in then i did a placement in forenere— then i did a placement in forensic psychiatry where everybody— forensic psychiatry where everybody on — forensic psychiatry where everybody on ward everybody on the ward had eomereo— committed a serious offence. some— committed a serious offence.- some—one some of them killed people and it's-backstories,- some of them killed people and it's really backstories, some of them killed people and it's really drewstories, some of them killed people and it's really drewstoriin. there's that really drew me in. there's orwoye— that really drew me in. there's orwoye-rnor- that really drew me in. there's always-that they- that really drew me in. there's always that they ended always a reason that they ended up-menror— always a reason that they ended up-menror-or- always a reason that they ended| up-mental-or with up with a mental illness or with severe violence,— up with a mental illness or with severe violence, and often it's one— severe violence, and often it's one-reoeone— severe violence, and often it's one-reoeone. - severe violence, and often it's the-reasons. who- severe violence, and often it's the reasons . riii; severe violence, and often it's- the-reasons. who are some the same reasons. who are some of the worst offenders you've

met? what have been the worst e — met? what have been the worst e r— met? what have been the worst crimes ? ithink— met? what have been the worst crimes ? i think the— met? what have been the worst crimes ? i think the one- i“r1io7 what have been the worst crimes ? crimes? i think the one that really stands out to me is one that i talk about quite early on really stands out to me is one thrmy talk about quite early on really stands out to me is one thrmy book. it's quite early on really stands out to me is one thrmy book. it's aiite early on really stands out to me is one thrmy book. it's a young'ly on really stands out to me is one thrmy book. it's a young 18 on really stands out to me is one thrmy book. it's a young 18 year in my book. it's a young 18 year old gru— in my book. it's a young 18 year old girl .— in my book. it's a young 18 year old girl loon— in my book. it's a young 18 year old girl .icall-yasmin- old girl. i call her yasmin in me— old girl. i call her yasmin in one-nor— old girl. i call her yasmin in the-not-real. the book. it's not her real ano— the book. it's not her real name. and became the book. it's not her real- name. and-became completely name. and she became completely peyenorre—or— name. and she became completely psychotic,_of the- name. and she became completely peyensne —or rne- name. and she became completely psychshe had of the name. and she became completely psychshe had these of the name. and she became completely psychshe had these delusional blue. she had these delusional nereoe— blue. she had these delusional nereoe-young- blue. she had these delusional beliefs young nephew, beliefs about her young nephew, a beliefs about her young nephew, orwo— beliefs about her young nephew, orwo yeor— beliefs about her young nephew, o rwo yeor oro— beliefs about her young nephew, a two year old boy— beliefs about her young nephew, a two year old boy who she was popyertng — a two year old boy who she was popyertng or.— a two year old boy who she was babysitting at,-she- babysitting at, and she smothered— babysitting at, and she smothered and in smothered and killed him. and in her smothered and killed him. and in ner-or— smothered and killed him. and in ner-or rne— smothered and killed him. and in her- at the time,— smothered and killed him. and in her- at the time, she- smothered and killed him. and in her at the time, she didn't her mind at the time, she didn't unoererono— her mind at the time, she didn't understand—doing. understade what she was doing. she understand what she was doing. she—delusional. she she had these delusional penene— she she had these delusional beliefs—demons. beliefs that he had demons meme— beliefs that he had demons rneroelnrm— beliefs that he had demons insidelhim and- beliefs that he had demons inside him and she thought inside of him and she thought ene— inside of him and she thought ene coulo— inside of him and she thought she could reincarnate him. so moo-e— she could reincarnate him. so rnor-e o— she could reincarnate him. so that's a perfect— she could reincarnate him. so that's a perfect example of a rrogre— that's a perfect example of a rrogre-rnor-e— that's a perfect example of a tragic that's clearly tragic story that's clearly enven— tragic story that's clearly driven by— tragic story that's clearly driven by mental illness. yes. ano— driven by mental illness. yes. and wnor-e— driven by mental illness. yes. and what's happened to that woman something woman is something physiological. she's not probably looking at her history as a bad person. something's gone wrong in the brain. absolutely. and i think that's that's quite a hard concept for some people to accept . she's some people to accept. she's somebody who didn't- she's somebody who didn't have any rno— somebody who didn't have any kind or— somebody who didn't have any kind of previous— somebody who didn't have any kind of previous violence, no enmmorogy— kind of previous violence, no enmmorogy .— kind of previous violence, no enmmorogy . no— kind of previous violence, no criminology , no anti—social criminology, no anti—social renovrour.— criminology, no anti—social behaviour. she— criminology, no anti—social behaviour. she didn't even reory— behaviour. she didn't even reory nove— behaviour. she didn't even really have any— behaviour. she didn't even really have any any previous memor— really have any any previous mental health— really have any any previous mental health issues until a few weeke— mental health issues until a few weere before— mental health issues until a few weeks before she— mental health issues until a few weeks before she committed the

mung.— weeks before she committed the rrrng. so— weeks before she committed the killing. so again,— weeks before she committed the killing. so again, that's not eomenow.— killing. so again, that's not eomepooy. oe— killing. so again, that's not somebody, as you say, that's evil.— somebody, as you say, that's evr. moo-e— somebody, as you say, that's evil, that's antisocial . it's evil, that's antisocial. it's puer— evil, that's antisocial. it's just something- evil, that's antisocial. it's just something that happened in the just something that happened in one—roent- just something that happened in the—hadn't been. the and also, she hadn't been groomed— the and also, she hadn't been groomed online— the and also, she hadn't been groomed online or indoctrinated in groomed online or indoctrinated rn-rnre— groomed online or indoctrinated rn-rnre rne— groomed online or indoctrinated in _this this was- in any way this this was eomernrng— in any way this this was something physiological a bit like something physiological a bit re r— something physiological a bit re r you— something physiological a bit like if you have— something physiological a bit like if you have a heart attack or eomernrng— like if you have a heart attack or something something broke meme— or something something broke rneroe ner. — or something something broke inside her. ' oily ' “2 or something something broke inside her. ' oiig “2 inside her. absolutely. and what would that be? would that be a chemical imbalance or what what could have happened? so this could have happened? so in this particular case, she had schizoaffective particular case, she had schiiisiffective particular case, she had schiiis aective particular case, she had schiiis a combination of that is a combination of schizophrenia- that is a combination of schizophrenia and a mood reorder.— schizophrenia and a mood disorder. absolutely. it's a enemreor— disorder. absolutely. it's a chemical imbalance as psychiatrists- chemical imbalance as psychiatrists in general can't profeee— psychiatrists in general can't proneee ro— psychiatrists in general can't profess to know— psychiatrists in general can't profess to know everything psychiatrists in general can't proibrain, know everything psychiatrists in general can't proibrain, butnw everything psychiatrists in general can't proibrain, but we verything psychiatrists in general can't proibrain, but we verytithat the brain, but we know that it's reroreo— the brain, but we know that it's related-dopamine— the brain, but we know that it's related dopamine levels related to dopamine levels wran— related to dopamine levels wran rne— related to dopamine levels within the-so- related to dopamine levelsi within the _so things related to dopamine levels- within the _so things like within the brain. so things like schizophr taenia this a schizophr taenia this is not a spiritual issue. no, no, it's medical. it's medical. yeah. rrgnr. — medical. it's medical. yeah. rrgnr. ano— medical. it's medical. yeah. right. and are— 1“r1ir2 ri.ix it's medical. yeah. right. and are there people youve— right. and are there people you-ve you— right. and are there people you've you encountered who are puer— you've you encountered who are tuer noo— you've you encountered who are tuer poo peopree — you've you encountered who are just bad people? o1“ri;”ri; ~ix.ri.“ just bad people? is there such a thing as evil? i would say yes. there is such a thing as evil. i wouron-r— there is such a thing as evil. i wouron-r uee— there is such a thing as evil. i wouldn't use the— there is such a thing as evil. i wouldn't use the term evil ernreory— wouldn't use the term evil ornrory .— wouldn't use the term evil clinically . i— wouldn't use the term evil clinically . i would use the term clinically. i would use the term onrreoeror.— clinically. i would use the term antisocial. so _ clinically. i would use the term antisocial. so antisocial pereonorry— antisocial. so antisocial- personality—somebody personality disorder is somebody wno— personality disorder is somebody wno rypreouy— personality disorder is somebody who typically lacks empathy and

ooeen-r— who typically lacks empathy and rent oore— who typically lacks empathy and doesn't care about— who typically lacks empathy and doesn't care about the rights of one— doesn't care about the rights of one people. — doesn't care about the rights of other people. they don't care opour— other people. they don't care opour opeymg— other people. they don't care about obeying the law. they're rmpurerve.— about obeying the law. they're impulsive-jack- impulsive. they're so jack the ripper— impulsive. they're so jack the. ripper—re ripper was highly antisocial. he was—and- ripper was highly antisocial. hei wasan—d also was probably antisocial and also psychopathic— was probably antisocial and also psychopathic as— was probably antisocial and also psychopathic as well . $3 psychopathic as well. right. i and— psychopathic as well. right. i and ifs— psychopathic as well. right. i see. and it's that lack of empathy, which is an important theme in the book, that these people these crimes people commit these crimes because they don't have the usual checks and balances that you go through. so you and i would go through. so i'd that there's spectrum i'd say that there's a spectrum on end of— i'd say that there's a spectrum on one end of the— i'd say that there's a spectrum on one end of the spectrum. you-ve—uke- on one end of the spectrum. . you've—like yasmin. on one end of the spectrum. . you pure-like yasmin. on one end of the spectrum. you pure psychosislike yasmin. on one end of the spectrum. you pure psychosis ore yasmin. on one end of the spectrum. you pure psychosis or mental]. it's pure psychosis or mental illness— it's pure psychosis or mental illness-drives- it's pure psychosis or mental illness drives their illness that drives their offences— illness that drives their effeneee .— illness that drives their offences . and other illness that drives their offences . and .other of offences. and the other end of the spectrum— offences. and the other end of the spectrum their the spectrum is their personality - personality disorders. so it's all personality disorders. so it's ell—thee- personality disorders. so it's all—thatlwasl all those things that i was describing. — all those things that i was describing. .so- all those things that i was describing. " describing. and so even then there wrong there is something wrong with them therefore they might them and therefore they might have but we, we need have murdered, but we, we need to actually understand that something again has let them down. yeah, yeah. and what we do when— down. yeah, yeah. and what we do when we're rehabilitating- : / and what we do when we're rehabilitating people in these— when we're rehabilitating people in these secure— when we're rehabilitating people in these secure units is we, we die— in these secure units is we, we dig deep— in these secure units is we, we dig deep into— in these secure units is we, we dig deep into their— in these secure units is we, we dig deep into their backgrounds and ery— dig deep into their backgrounds and try and— dig deep into their backgrounds and try and understand the evenn— and try and understand the events-ene— and try and understand the events the traumas that events and the traumas that enev-ve — events and the traumas that enev-ve _we- they've suffered that has enenee.— they've suffered that has shaped-look. they've suffered that has. shaped.-look like shaped. so if you look like a dreadful—levi. dreadful monster like levi eennee— dreadful monster like levi bellfield or— dreadful monster like levi bellfield or someone that , bellfield or someone like that, enn— bellfield or someone like that, net enn— bellfield or someone like that, net net i— bellfield or someone like that, that that i guess— bellfield or someone like that, that that i guess and i do not vene— that that i guess and i do not want no— that that i guess and i do not want to extend— that that i guess and i do not want to extend even an ounce of evnpennv— want to extend even an ounce of evnpennv newnes— want to extend even an ounce of sympathy towards him, but you

vente— sympathy towards him, but you would probably— sympathy towards him, but you would probably categorise him as an would probably categorise him as en enven— would probably categorise him as an unwell person— would probably categorise him as an unwell person rather than a bee— an unwell person rather than a bee penen— an unwell person rather than a bad person. well— an unwell person rather than a bad person. well if he's just enneeenv— bad person. well if he's just antisocial and— bad person. well if he's just antisocial and if— bad person. well if he's just antisocial and if it's not because— antisocial and if it's not because of— antisocial and if it's not because of direct symptoms of mental— because of direct symptoms of mental illness,— because of direct symptoms of mental illness, like hearing voices or delusions, then i would— voices or delusions, then i would categorise him as somebody ene-e— would categorise him as somebody enen-e in— would categorise him as somebody that's in control— would categorise him as somebody that's in control of— would categorise him as somebody that's in control of his eenene. — that's in control of his actions. so,- that's in control of his actions. so, yeah, a bad person. oney,— actions. so, yeah, a bad person. okay, interesting— actions. so, yeah, a bad person. okay, interesting stuff. have you— okay, interesting stuff. have you eve— okay, interesting stuff. have you ever feared _ okay, interesting stuff. have you ever feared for- okay, interesting stuff. have you ever feared for your own safety you had safety and have you had flashbacks to some encounters because you're you're you're in a very dark world here in your work? yeah i have definitely had some hairy moments, especially within secure units. i was punched in the- within secure units. i was punched in the face- " f ”c: c. " i was punched in the face in my " f ”vi; c. .; i was punched in the face in my very nev— punched in the face in my very fine nev— punched in the face in my very first day, actually— punched in the face in my very first day, actually on a secure unn— first day, actually on a secure unn. eoee— first day, actually on a secure unit. good start.— first day, actually on a secure unit. good start. but i have to say—exceptionallyl say that that is exceptionally . se— say that that is exceptionally . so vne — say that that is exceptionally rare . so the vast— say that that is exceptionally rare . so the vast majority of rare. so the vast majority of ne— rare. so the vast majority of vne nme— rare. so the vast majority of the time people— rare. so the vast majority of the time people are on their been— the time people are on their best behaviours,— the time people are on their best behaviours, especially if vn — i'm assessing them as a one off eeeelnneen— i'm assessing them as a one off eeeelnneen ve— i'm assessing them as a one off case .prison to write - i'm assessing them as a one off case prison to write a court case in prison to write a court eenen— case in prison to write a court venenlnnve— case in prison to write a court report.ihave-been- case in prison to write a court report.ihave-been keptl case in prison to write a court. report.ihave-been kept at case in prison to write a court- report.ihave-been kept at a report. have you been kept at a safe distance from some the safe distance from some of the worst yeah. so worst offenders? yeah. so if i go to prison and .there's- go to prison and if there's eeneneev— go to prison and if there's somebody-just- somebody who's just uncontrollably violent, then vnev-vv— uncontrollably violent, then vnev-vv-ne- uncontrollably violent, then they'll- be on - uncontrollably violent, then they'll be on something they'll usually be on something like they'll usually be on something vine-nan— they'll usually be on something like-man unlock,- like a three man unlock, which neene—nel like a three man unlock, which. means—be three means that there has to be three pneen— means that there has to be three prison-surrounding- means that there has to be three prison surrounding them prison officers surrounding them atitimes— prison officers surrounding them at.times before—

prison officers surrounding them at times before can at all times before they can even-ener— at all times before they can even _their cell. - at all times before they can even their cell. ' at all times before they can. even _their cell. a three even leave their cell. a three man unlock de—man. unlock. even leave their cell. a three- man unlock de—man. unlock. yeah. my man unlock de—man. unlock. yeah. my quite the my goodness. that's quite the manoeuvre so you've manoeuvre, isn't it? so you've had dodi jodie foster had your dodi jodie foster experience. silence of the lambs walking through a prison , having walking through a prison, having people snarling at you . can people snarling at you. can somebody that's committed a murder or a heinous crime be cured? can they be rehabilitated ? in theory, yes. so if it is enven— ? in theory, yes. so if it is driven by— 7” in theory, yes. so if it is driven by something like schizophrenia— driven by something like schizophrenia that we're talking evenn— schizophrenia that we're talking event before— schizophrenia that we're talking about before ,— schizophrenia that we're talking about before , then, in theory, about before, then, in theory, you— about before, then, in theory, ven een— about before, then, in theory, you can medicate them , take away you can medicate them, take away vneee—n-e— you can medicate them, take away vneee—n-e nev- you can medicate them, take away those—it's not if- those symptoms. if it's not if n-e— those symptoms. if it's not if it's something— those symptoms. if it's not if it's something to— those symptoms. if it's not if it's something to do more with vnen— it's something to do more with men—,— it's something to do more with vh..i._, vnen- their personality, then it eenenee— their personality, then it. depends—want their personality, then it- depends_want to depends whether they want to mange,— depends whether they want to change, whether— depends whether they want to change, whether have change, whether they have ensign,— change, whether they have insight, whether there's factors une— insight, whether there's factors vine—eenee- insight, whether there's factors ute—ab... ,l like drug and alcohol abuse, impulsivitv_ like drug and alcohol abuse, impulsivity that— like drug and alcohol abuse, impulsivity that can be controlled _ impulsivity that can be controlled through therapy. ' v: controlled through therapy. and tennettnnet— controlled through therapy. and sometimes these _who i controlled through therapy. andi sometimes these _who are sometimes these people who are psychotic have psychotic, who don't have empathy, actors , aren't empathy, are good actors, aren't they? and they can be very convincing that they have changed. look changed. and you've got to look out . very out for that, too. very manipulative people. yeah. so not but not psychotic people, but psychopathic_ not psychotic people, but psychopathic are psychopathic people are evttenetv— psychopathic people are - extremely-manipulative extremely cunning, manipulative , teeetttnt— extremely cunning, manipulative , deceitful definition, , deceitful by definition, enttntne— , deceitful by definition, enttntne .— , deceitful by definition, charming . charming. absolutely. charming. charming. absolutely. vent.— charming. charming. absolutely. vent. ant— charming. charming. absolutely. vent. ant vet-u— charming. charming. absolutely. yeah. and you'll be— charming. charming. absolutely. yeah. and you'll be like,- yeah. and you'll be like, there's nothing wrong with this quy- there's nothing wrong with this guy. legend guy. let him out. he's a legend . and. and they function

. and. and they they function tetttv— . and. and they they function tetttv vett— . and. and they they function really well in— . and. and they they function really well in the— and. and they they function really well in the corporate vent— really well in the corporate vent ent— really well in the corporate world and in— really well in the corporate world and in media as well. vent.— world and in media as well. vent-_e- world and in media as well.| yeah. _a few. world and in media as well.- yeah._a few. me yeah. yeah, i've met a few. me too— yeah. yeah, i've met a few. me too .— yeah. yeah, i've met a few. me too . vvttt— yeah. yeah, i've met a few. me too . what-saying?- yeah. yeah, i've met a few. me too . what saying? but so too. what are you saying? but so it's an extraordinary thing. and. and so what have you. what stands out in the book, having written the book, what stands out as, as where we need to go from here in terms of understanding these crimes ? i understanding these crimes? i think one core truth that is quite unpalatable for a lot of people is that almost every offender , especially violent offender, especially violent offender, especially violent offender, has been a victim at some point in their lives. they've either experienced nnvetett— they've either experienced physical, sexual or emotional tneet— physical, sexual or emotional eneet teeny,— physical, sexual or emotional abuse, poverty, homelessness, drug— abuse, poverty, homelessness, ttng tneet— abuse, poverty, homelessness, drug abuse. it's— abuse, poverty, homelessness, drug abuse. it's really rare for somebody— drug abuse. it's really rare for eenetetv te— drug abuse. it's really rare for somebody to commit regular vtetenee— somebody to commit regular violence and— somebody to commit regular violence and to— somebody to commit regular violence and to not have that in net— violence and to not have that in their background. _ violence and to not have that in their background. yes. and tnetetete— their background. yes. and tnetetete ,— their background. yes. and therefore , they're just doing their background. yes. and therethem they're just doing their background. yes. and therethem what'e just doing their background. yes. and therethem what wasst doing their background. yes. and therethem what was unto ng their background. yes. and therethem what was unto others. unto them what was unto others. what— unto them what was unto others. what we— unto them what was unto others. what tene— unto them what was unto others. what was done to _ unto them what was unto others. what was done to them. - unto them what was unto others. what was done to them. yeah you repeat model repeat the pattern, you model what you know. and i guess your job try to break that job is to try to break that pattern if you can. yeah. yeah fascinating. congratulations on the book. let's make some noise about don't think about it, because i don't think it's it it's had the publicity. it deserves. so let's let's remind you that this book is called

into minds stories of murder, justice and recovery from a forensic psychiatrist. it's dr. sharon das. thank you so much for joining us. lovely to meet forjoining us. lovely to meet you. and we had three police officers in here just to make sure i behaved myself. coming up next in my take at ten, i'll be deaung next in my take at ten, i'll be dealing duke dealing with the duke and duchess of sussex, harry and meghan and so—called car meghan, and their so—called car chase. meghan, and their so—called car chase . these two are driving me chase. these two are driving me around bend . you won't want around the bend. you won't want to verdict a couple to miss my verdict in a couple of minutes. you'll need a seatbelt .

and it's 10:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. in my take at ten, i'll be dealing with the duke and duchess of sussex and their wildly

exaggerated claims of a car chase. exaggerated claims of a car chase . these two are driving me chase. these two are driving me around the bend. you won't want to miss my verdict in a couple of minutes time. do wear a seatbelt . and why have the nhs seatbelt. and why have the nhs decided there are now 18 genders? i'll be putting that to tonight's newsmaker. free speech champion toby young . plus mark champion toby young. plus mark dolan tonight is the home of the papers with tomorrow's front pages from exactly 1030 sharp with full reaction from my top pundits, peter edwards , ingrid pundits, peter edwards, ingrid tarrant and albie amankona . tarrant and albie amankona. also popular free speech podcast trigonometry, which is a hilarious listen, has been cancelled by its own bank, supposedly a very woke bank. i will speak to trigonometry co—creator constantine kissin in

a few minutes time. so a busy hour to come. harry and meghan on the way. but first, the headunes on the way. but first, the headlines with rory smith . headlines with rory smith. cheers, mark. the latest from tne— cheers, mark. the latest from the newsroom.— cheers, mark. the latest from the newsroom. a— cheers, mark. the latest from the newsroom. a man who died atten— the newsroom. a man who died tttet being— the newsroom. a man who died after being attacked by a dog in tent— after being attacked by a dog in veten tn— after being attacked by a dog in leigh in greater— after being attacked by a dog in leigh in greater manchester. mr has leigh in greater manchester. mr nee teen— leigh in greater manchester. mr has been named— leigh in greater manchester. mr has been named as jonathan hogg. the has been named as jonathan hogg. tne et— has been named as jonathan hogg. tne st vett— has been named as jonathan hogg. tne st year ott— has been named as jonathan hogg. the 37 year old was— has been named as jonathan hogg. the 37 year old was found with serious injuries— the 37 year old was found with serious injuries yesterday eventng— serious injuries yesterday evening .— serious injuries yesterday eventng . ne— serious injuries yesterday evening . he was taken to evening. he was taken to neentttt— evening. he was taken to hospital but— evening. he was taken to hospital but died in the early neute— hospital but died in the early nente et— hospital but died in the early hours of this— hospital but died in the early hours of this morning . a 24 year hours of this morning. a 24 year old hours of this morning. a 24 year ett nan— hours of this morning. a 24 year ett nee— hours of this morning. a 24 year old man has been— hours of this morning. a 24 year old man has been arrested on enenteten— old man has been arrested on enenteten et— old man has been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a suspicion of being in charge of e dangerously— suspicion of being in charge of a dangerously out— suspicion of being in charge of a dangerously out of control dog . tne— a dangerously out of control dog . tne ttetnet— a dangerously out of control dog . the brother of— a dangerously out of control dog . the brother of tv— a dangerously out of control dog . the brother of tv star phillip senettett— . the brother of tv star phillip schofield has— . the brother of tv star phillip schofield has been jailed for 12 vette— schofield has been jailed for 12 years tet— schofield has been jailed for 12 years for child _ schofield has been jailed for 12 years for child sex— schofield has been jailed for 12 years for child sex offences. ttnetnv— years for child sex offences. timothy schofield , who was a timothy schofield, who was a etvttttn — timothy schofield, who was a civilian police _ timothy schofield, who was a civilian police worker , civilian police worker, committed _ civilian police worker, committed 11 offences between zon— committed 11 offences between zete ent— committed 11 offences between 2016 and 2019.— committed 11 offences between 2016 and 2019. the boy who was abused— 2016 and 2019. the boy who was abused by— 2016 and 2019. the boy who was abused by tne— 2016 and 2019. the boy who was abused by the 54— 2016 and 2019. the boy who was abused by the 54 year old was nttteet— abused by the 54 year old was

nnteet tet— abused by the 54 year old was praised for his— abused by the 54 year old was praised for his remarkable tttvetv— praised for his remarkable tttvetv tn— praised for his remarkable bravery in coming forward . boris bravery in coming forward. boris tenneen-e— bravery in coming forward. boris tenneen-e wne,— bravery in coming forward. boris johnson's wife, carrie, is pregnant— johnson's wife, carrie, is pregnant with- johnson's wife, carrie, is pregnant with the couple's third ente— pregnant with the couple's third enttt. sne— pregnant with the couple's third child. she announced on tnetegttn— child. she announced on instagram that are expecting a stunt— instagram that are expecting a ettttne tet— instagram that are expecting a sibling for wilf— instagram that are expecting a sibling for wilf and romi in teet— sibling for wilf and romi in just t— sibling for wilf and romi in tnet t ten— sibling for wilf and romi in just a few weeks time. well, cente— just a few weeks time. well, ctnte sett— just a few weeks time. well, carrie said she's— just a few weeks time. well, carrie said she's been feeling petty— carrie said she's been feeling pretty exhausted— carrie said she's been feeling pretty exhausted for much of the teet— pretty exhausted for much of the test etent— pretty exhausted for much of the last eight months. _ pretty exhausted for much of the last eight months. but they are teettne— last eight months. but they are looking forward— last eight months. but they are looking forward to welcoming the nevvet— looking forward to welcoming the newest member— looking forward to welcoming the newest member of— looking forward to welcoming the newest member of the family. very— newest member of the family. vetv — newest member of the family. vetv n— newest member of the family. very soon. a man— newest member of the family. very soon. a man who conned vtettne— very soon. a man who conned vtettne ent— very soon. a man who conned victims out of— very soon. a man who conned victims out of more than £100 ntttten— victims out of more than £100 ntttten nee— victims out of more than £100 million has been— victims out of more than £100 million has been jailed . t.j. million has been jailed. t.j. ttetenet— million has been jailed. t.j. fletcher founded the website i vnten— fletcher founded the website i which allowed _ fletcher founded the website i which allowed criminals to make nnene— which allowed criminals to make pnene eeue— which allowed criminals to make pnene cats to— which allowed criminals to make phone calls to victims ptetenttng— phone calls to victims pretending they were from ttnetet— pretending they were from trusted companies. it was ttenent— trusted companies. it was brought down— trusted companies. it was brought down last year in the une— brought down last year in the we ttggeet— brought down last year in the uk's biggest fraud sting with the uk's biggest fraud sting with tne es— uk's biggest fraud sting with tne es vett— uk's biggest fraud sting with the 35 year old _ uk's biggest fraud sting with the 35 year old has been sentenced— the 35 year old has been sentenced to— the 35 year old has been sentenced to 13 years and four nentne— sentenced to 13 years and four nentne tn— sentenced to 13 years and four months in prison— sentenced to 13 years and four months in prison .— sentenced to 13 years and four months in prison . detective months in prison. detective superintendent— months in prison. detective superintendent helen rance says he superintendent helen rance says ne etetttv— superintendent helen rance says he clearly didn't— superintendent helen rance says he clearly didn't care about the term — he clearly didn't care about the term ne— he clearly didn't care about the term ne vee— he clearly didn't care about the harm he was causing before it ennt— harm he was causing before it was shut down. _ harm he was causing before it was shut down. c was shut down. icf was constantly growing with 700 new

users registering every week and it was earning £80,000 per week . fletcher was leading an extravagant lifestyle benefitting from the profits, having no care for the misery he was responsible . for. the former was responsible. for. the former us was responsible. for. the former us nteettent— was responsible. for. the former us president barack_ the former us president barack obama, is among— us president barack obama, is among soo— us president barack obama, is among 500 americans who have teen— among 500 americans who have been banned— among 500 americans who have been banned from _ among 500 americans who have been banned from russia in tit for been banned from russia in tit ten tet— been banned from russia in tit for tat sanctions— been banned from russia in tit for tat sanctions .— been banned from russia in tit for tat sanctions . well, it for tat sanctions. well, it comes after— for tat sanctions. well, it comes after leaders meeting at the comes after leaders meeting at tne et— comes after leaders meeting at the g7 summit— comes after leaders meeting at the g7 summit in— comes after leaders meeting at the g7 summit in japan announced a the g7 summit in japan announced ttteen— the g7 summit in japan announced ttteen vve— the g7 summit in japan announced ttteen et— the g7 summit in japan announced a fresh wave of fresh— a fresh wave of fresh punishments over the war in untame— punishments over the war in nttttne. tne— punishments over the war in ukraine. the us— punishments over the war in ukraine. the us is targeting tntnte— ukraine. the us is targeting tntnte energy— ukraine. the us is targeting future energy revenues and nttttttv— future energy revenues and military slmph/— future energy revenues and military supply chains, while nntttn— military supply chains, while nntttn te— military supply chains, while britain is banning imports of teen— britain is banning imports of russian diamonds. copper ttnntntnn— russian diamonds. copper aluminium and nickel. meanwhile nttttne-e— aluminium and nickel. meanwhile ukraine's president— aluminium and nickel. meanwhile ukraine's president has met the stutt— ukraine's president has met the sentt ctevn— ukraine's president has met the saudi crown prince mohammed bin sttntn— saudi crown prince mohammed bin sttntn ,— saudi crown prince mohammed bin sttntn , en— saudi crown prince mohammed bin sttntn , en tne— saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman , on the sidelines of the salman, on the sidelines of the ann— salman, on the sidelines of the ant vetene— salman, on the sidelines of the arab league summit in jeddah. vttttntt— arab league summit in jeddah. vladimir zelenskyy has also held neettnee— vladimir zelenskyy has also held neettnee vttn— vladimir zelenskyy has also held meetings with the— vladimir zelenskyy has also held meetings with the leaders of onen— meetings with the leaders of oman, kuwait— meetings with the leaders of oman, kuwait and the uae . gulf

oman, kuwait and the uae. gulf eennneet— oman, kuwait and the uae. gulf countries have— oman, kuwait and the uae. gulf countries have tried to remain nentttt— countries have tried to remain nentttt en— countries have tried to remain neutral on the— countries have tried to remain neutral on the war in ukraine, tut— neutral on the war in ukraine, tut tn— neutral on the war in ukraine, tut tn t— neutral on the war in ukraine, but in a speech— neutral on the war in ukraine, but in a speech to— neutral on the war in ukraine, but in a speech to the summit, tteettent— but in a speech to the summit, president zelenskyy called out tneee— president zelenskyy called out tneee vvne — president zelenskyy called out those who have— president zelenskyy called out those who have been turning a tune— those who have been turning a tttnt .— those who have been turning a tttnt . eve.— those who have been turning a blind . eye. the— those who have been turning a blind . eye. the ministry of blind. eye. the ministry of detenee— blind. eye. the ministry of defence has— blind. eye. the ministry of defence has awarded contracts vent— defence has awarded contracts venn £320— defence has awarded contracts worth £320 million to service tevtt— worth £320 million to service tevet nevv— worth £320 million to service royal navy offshore patrol veeeeet— royal navy offshore patrol veeeeet , nt— royal navy offshore patrol vessels , uk docks, marine vessels, uk docks, marine eennee— vessels, uk docks, marine eetvteee tn— vessels, uk docks, marine services in the— vessels, uk docks, marine services in the north—east has teen— services in the north—east has been even— services in the north—east has teen ttven tn— services in the north—east has been given an eight year contract— been given an eight year contract that's- been given an eight year contract that's worth around tzso — contract that's worth around £250 million,— contract that's worth around £250 million, and to that's etpten— £250 million, and to that's support vessels— £250 million, and to that's support vessels including hms tenet.— support vessels including hms ttnntt. tt-e— support vessels including hms tamar. it's also— support vessels including hms tamar. it's also expected to nette— tamar. it's also expected to create around _ tamar. it's also expected to create around 100 jobs while a eeeent— create around 100 jobs while a second contract— create around 100 jobs while a second contract is— create around 100 jobs while a second contract is worth around evo— second contract is worth around no mitten.— second contract is worth around £70 million. and— second contract is worth around £70 million. and that has gone to buy— £70 million. and that has gone to buy evetene— £70 million. and that has gone to buy systems in— £70 million. and that has gone to buy systems in portsmouth . tv to buy systems in portsmouth. tv enttne— to buy systems in portsmouth. tv enttne nett— to buy systems in portsmouth. tv online dab+ radio— to buy systems in portsmouth. tv online dab+ radio and on tunein. tnte— online dab+ radio and on tunein. tnte te— online dab+ radio and on tunein. tnte te tn— online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news— online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news nato. back to .

mark | it's mark it's just gone. 10:00. welcome to mark coming up to mark dolan tonight. coming up , tonight's newsmaker is free speech champion toby young. i'll be asking why the nhs have decided there are now 18 genders. plus, it's shocking news. the globally popular podcast trigonometry, which is a free speech brilliant chat show in which they invite people across the political spectrum onto their programme. they've been cancelled by their own woke bank. been cancelled by their own woke bank . i'll been cancelled by their own woke bank. i'll get been cancelled by their own woke bank . i'll get reaction from the bank. i'll get reaction from the co—creator of trigonometry, constantine kissin shortly . mark constantine kissin shortly. mark dolan tonight is the home of the papers with tomorrow's front pages from 1030. also so our punst pages from 1030. also so our pundits will be nominating their headune pundits will be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes. so a busy hour to come. big stories , big guests and big stories, big guests and always big opinions with the papers at 1030. but first, my take . at ten. poor old meghan

take. at ten. poor old meghan and harry doubled up as bonnie and harry doubled up as bonnie and clyde on wednesday, giving it the full thelma and louise as they zoomed around new york trying to shake off photographers , as we're told photographers, as we're told from their spokes woman whose statements make the kremlin sound trustworthy, that they had a near catastrophic accident as near catastrophic as the oprah winfrey non interview, perhaps , winfrey non interview, perhaps, in which they poured a bucket of the brown stuff over the royal family and the institution of the monarchy. now that television debacle is what i would call a car crash . and how would call a car crash. and how can you base a story around something that didn't happen in nearly catastrophic ? what does nearly catastrophic? what does that mean? i'm nearly mr universe. i'm nearly a billionaire . i'm nearly dating billionaire. i'm nearly dating juua billionaire. i'm nearly dating julia roberts, just not quite right now. look, it can't have been fun being followed by photographers and the taxi

driver who eventually took them did say that they looked uncomfortable. and of course, harry has terrible memories of what happened to his dear mum . what happened to his dear mum. fair enough. but in my view, this story reflects the narcissism of the couple who seek to make a global all news headune seek to make a global all news headline out of the fact that they are famous and that someone wanted their picture . do they wanted their picture. do they not realise that with their six part netflix deals , book part netflix deals, book releases, podcast appearances and red carpet moments that there might just be a smattering of interest in the couple? my tie humbly suggests that meghan markle at one point a two bit actress marrying the son of the now king of england, might provoke a little bit of media attention in as usual, this is to people that want it both ways endlessly publicising themselves whilst supposedly crazy fing privacy seeking rhiannon mission from the royal family whilst endlessly attacking them and right royally slagging off the

monarchy whilst of course hanging on to those royal titles which are so lucrative. this couple, the king and queen of double standards, are seeking to fill column inches and make headunes fill column inches and make headlines for the fact that somebody tried to snap them with a camera even though they are so beloved of a photo op themselves. they'll turn up to themselves. they'll turn up to the opening of an envelope . so the opening of an envelope. so when is it that the couple want to be photographed? when they've got a product to sell? perhaps that's okay. but when they drive around one of the busiest cities in the world, new york, it's not allowed. good luck with that. do you not think that tom cruise doesn't get followed by the paparazzi ? strange that you paparazzi? strange that you don't hear him complaining about these sorts of things. you don't hear poor old tom cruise claiming that something nearly catastrophic happened to him . he catastrophic happened to him. he gets on with it. he's the world's biggest film star. it's almost cruise understands almost like cruise understands thatis almost like cruise understands that is the nature of the gig. if you play the fame game, you must its rules . it's the must follow its rules. it's the same reason why i get a few

glances when i'm down at my local iceland on the holloway road. not going to lie. those glances are often admiring the audience for mark dolan tonight is growing by the day and i'm normally beating sky news around now . anyone in the public eye now. anyone in the public eye must accept public attention and having their photograph taken even when it's not wildly convenient. i will say something that's impressive about this couple, though managing to have a car chase in congested new york where there are traffic lights every 11 seconds and where the tailbacks are notorious. i can only imagine their car was full lying above their car was full lying above the other cars in the way that pigs the other cars in the way that pigs might fly. i'm sorry, but i'm not buying their story. in my view, this reflects the narcissism of this couple. do they think that their lewis hamilton honestly , was there hamilton honestly, was there really a high speed chase ? i really a high speed chase? i don't think so. i'm not having

it . harry and meghan don't think so. i'm not having it. harry and meghan might think they are the fast and the furious , but this story is an furious, but this story is an old banger with their claims of a high octane car chase. these two not for the first time, are pulling a fast . one your pulling a fast. one your reaction? do you buy their story? market gb news .uk. let's hear from my pundits tonight. i'm delighted to welcome , um, i'm delighted to welcome, um, the wonderful , brilliant the wonderful, brilliant journalist, of course, former editor of labourlist peter edwards , broadcaster and tv edwards, broadcaster and tv presenter ingrid tarrant, and financial analyst and gb news star albie amankona ingrid , your star albie amankona ingrid, your reaction to this car chase ? it reaction to this car chase? it is just completely i tit" titit” i“ it is just completely farcical. wett— is just completely farcical. wen, tet— is just completely farcical. well, let me— is just completely farcical. well, let me just go through ttte— well, let me just go through tnte. tne— well, let me just go through this. the spokesman well, you knew— this. the spokesman well, you tnevv tntt— this. the spokesman well, you know that that's— this. the spokesman well, you know that that's omid scobie. so nee— know that that's omid scobie. so ne-e tent— know that that's omid scobie. so ne-e tetnt te— know that that's omid scobie. so ne-e tetnt to te— know that that's omid scobie. so he's going to be completely vnttevet— he's going to be completely whatever obe— he's going to be completely whatever obe do whatever he's tott— whatever obe do whatever he's tettletv— whatever obe do whatever he's tettletv ,— whatever obe do whatever he's tettletv , ne— whatever obe do whatever he's told-say , he will— whatever obe do whatever he's told say , he will say it. i told to say, he will say it. i tttnet— told to say, he will say it. i tttnet tee— told to say, he will say it. i gather also that—

told to say, he will say it. i gather also that meghan's mother was gather also that meghan's mother teteet— gather also that meghan's mother teteet tn— gather also that meghan's mother was asleep in the— gather also that meghan's mother was asleep in the back of the se— was asleep in the back of the so t— was asleep in the back of the car. so i don't— was asleep in the back of the car. so i don't know how comfortable— car. so i don't know how comfortable they really, really ant— comfortable they really, really ant t— comfortable they really, really were. and i don't— comfortable they really, really were. and i don't know if that's true— were. and i don't know if that's ttte et— were. and i don't know if that's ttte on net. — were. and i don't know if that's true or not. these— were. and i don't know if that's true or not. these pedestrians tntt— true or not. these pedestrians tntt tttttenttv— true or not. these pedestrians that apparently were leaping out of that apparently were leaping out et tne— that apparently were leaping out et tne wav— that apparently were leaping out et tne wayv vnv— that apparently were leaping out of the way, why haven't we had et— of the way, why haven't we had et tne — of the way, why haven't we had one of the pedestrians come tntettn— one of the pedestrians come tntettn etvtnt— one of the pedestrians come through saying that they've been eenttetetv— through saying that they've been completely traumatised or they etent— completely traumatised or they stone—t- completely traumatised or they stone—t ttttttel stomp their toe on a garbage bint_ stomp their toe on a garbage ttn een— stomp their toe on a garbage ttn eett et— stomp their toe on a garbage bin, sort of like— stomp their toe on a garbage bin, sort of like in the process ent— bin, sort of like in the process tnt evetvtntnt.— bin, sort of like in the process and everything. and they had all the and everything. and they had all tne tetvgnevte— and everything. and they had all the bodyguards. don't forget , the bodyguards. don't forget, going— the bodyguards. don't forget, tetnt tn— the bodyguards. don't forget, tetnt tn tnett— the bodyguards. don't forget, going in their cars behind them and going in their cars behind them tnt evetvtntnt.— going in their cars behind them and everything. and i just love the and everything. and i just love tne ttvt — and everything. and i just love the taxi driver— and everything. and i just love the taxi driver .— and everything. and i just love the taxi driver . i— and everything. and i just love the taxi driver . i just think the taxi driver. i just think nee— the taxi driver. i just think ne-e ee— the taxi driver. i just think he's so lovely,— the taxi driver. i just think he's so lovely, that sort of etttentv— he's so lovely, that sort of suddenly they're in the back and ten— suddenly they're in the back and tnen-ttet— suddenly they're in the back and tnen-ttet te— suddenly they're in the back and then back to police then it's back to the police etttten— station, backwards, forwards, teetvttte— backwards, forwards. they have etettet— backwards, forwards. they have etettet tne— backwards, forwards. they have created the frenzy— backwards, forwards. they have created the frenzy which they teve — created the frenzy which they teve tnt — created the frenzy which they love and being— created the frenzy which they love and being photographed is part— love and being photographed is ntn et— love and being photographed is ntn et tne— love and being photographed is part of the course.— love and being photographed is part of the course. they know tntt— part of the course. they know tntt ent— part of the course. they know that and everything . but you that and everything. but you knew— that and everything. but you tnevv vvntt— that and everything. but you tnevv vntt t— that and everything. but you know what i think it is? because ene— know what i think it is? because ene vtnte— know what i think it is? because she wants control— she wants control over evetvtntnt — she wants control over everything and because she can't eenttet— everything and because she can't eenttet tne— everything and because she can't control the photographs that tetnt— control the photographs that were being taken. but at the same—kwartengl were being taken. but at the. same—kwarteng that were being taken. but at the same that kwarteng that were being taken. but at the same that whole kwarteng that were being taken. but at the same that whole frenzy.ig that were being taken. but at the same that whole frenzy. anyway, whole that whole frenzy. anyway, it's whole that whole frenzy. anyway, tt-e ttttv— whole that whole frenzy. anyway, it's truly pathetic. _ whole that whole frenzy. anyway, it's truly pathetic. i— whole that whole frenzy. anyway, it's truly pathetic. i can't ettnt— it's truly pathetic. i can't ettnt tt— it's truly pathetic. i can't stand it and— it's truly pathetic. i can't stand it and i— it's truly pathetic. i can't stand it and i don't want to tatt— stand it and i don't want to tttt ttett— stand it and i don't want to talk about it— stand it and i don't want to talk about it any more. i don't vent— talk about it any more. i don't vant to— talk about it any more. i don't

want to - picture - talk about it any more. i don't want to picture her want to see a picture of her ttee— want to see a picture of her ttee tnnnetev — want to see a picture of her. face anymore. _peter face anymore. actually, peter edwards, you're a top journalist. can something edwards, you're a top jourididn't can something edwards, you're a top jourididn't car become ing that didn't happen become a global news story ? well, global news story? well, firstly, global news story? well, firstlyv vetn. — global news story? well, firstly, yeah. i— g svitg?’ well, firstly, yeah. i mean, i've never been— firstly, yeah. i mean, i've never been called a top tettntttet— never been called a top journalist before, but let's tet-e— let's skip over that. your exten— let's skip over that. your exten tettnt— let's skip over that. your expert poking fun, harry and ttetntn— expert poking fun, harry and netntn ent— expert poking fun, harry and netntn tnt t— expert poking fun, harry and meghan and i would say some of net— meghan and i would say some of tnett eneteee— meghan and i would say some of their choices in— meghan and i would say some of their choices in the— meghan and i would say some of their choices in the last couple of their choices in the last couple et vette— their choices in the last couple of years, particularly constantly- of years, particularly constantly battering the royal of years, particularly constan have ittering the royal of years, particularly constanhave beentg the royal of years, particularly constanhave been verye royal of years, particularly constanhave been very pooral family, have been very poor eteteee— family, have been very poor eneteeelt— family, have been very poor choices.-i don't- family, have been very poor choices. i don't know if choices. but i don't know if vet-te— choices. but i don't know if vet-re t— choices. but i don't know if you're a driver,— choices. but i don't know if you're a driver, mark, but for tnenev— you're a driver, mark, but for anyone-motorist- you're a driver, mark, but for anyone-motorist ,- you're a driver, mark, but for anyone motorist , a you're a driver, mark, but for- anyone-motorist , a near anyone who's a motorist, a near ntne— anyone who's a motorist, a near te— anyone who's a motorist, a near miss can be frightening. if you nave— miss can be frightening. if you ntve ,— miss can be frightening. if you ntve , eav— miss can be frightening. if you have , say, somewhere london have, say, somewhere like london on-,_ have, say, somewhere like london on , a near miss at high on the m25, a near miss at high eneet— on the m25, a near miss at high eneet-te— on the m25, a near miss at high speed be frightening . you speed can be frightening. you ten-t— speed can be frightening. you tent-nave- speed can be frightening. you don't-have to- speed can be frightening. you don't-have to be- speed can be frightening. you don't have to be hit in don't actually have to be hit in enter— don't actually have to be hit in ettet te— don't actually have to be hit in ettet te teet— don't actually have to be hit in order to feel a— don't actually have to be hit in order to feel a bit— don't actually have to be hit in order to feel a bit shaken up by it order to feel a bit shaken up by tt—tev- it. of course, the new york tettee— it. of course, the new york tettee tenet— it. of course, the new york police poured quite a bit of eett— police poured quite a bit of eett vttet— police poured quite a bit of cold water over— police poured quite a bit of cold water over it in a statement— cold water over it in a statement following it saying, you statement following it saying, vet tnevv— statement following it saying, you tnevv ,— statement following it saying, you know , there— statement following it saying, you know , there were no arrests, you know, there were no arrests, no you know, there were no arrests, ne injuriesv— you know, there were no arrests, no injuries, collisions no injuries, no collisions and so no injuries, no collisions and see. nut- no injuries, no collisions and so-so on. but you. no injuries, no collisions and so so on. but you rightly so on and so on. but you rightly tttttet— so on and so on. but you rightly tttttet ,— so on and so on. but you rightly alluded , mark,— so on and so on. but you rightly alluded , mark, to— so on and so on. but you rightly alluded , mark, to the terrible alluded, mark, to the terrible ttet— alluded, mark, to the terrible ttet et— alluded, mark, to the terrible fact of history— alluded, mark, to the terrible fact of history that underlines tnte— fact of history that underlines tnte vnete— fact of history that underlines this whole story,— fact of history that underlines this whole story, which is the tent— this whole story, which is the teat et— this whole story, which is the death of princess— this whole story, which is the death of princess diana in 1997, in death of princess diana in 1997, tn t— death of princess diana in 1997, tn t tttet— death of princess diana in 1997, in a car after being chased by tnetetntnete. — in a car after being chased by photographers. so you could

tntetettnt— photographers. so you could understand why— photographers. so you could understand why harry and his ttnttv— understand why harry and his ttnttv vettt— understand why harry and his family would feel very emotional tttet— family would feel very emotional after something,— family would feel very emotional after something, even if there's eenetntnt— after something, even if there's something that— after something, even if there's something that happened in new vett— something that happened in new york tnte— something that happened in new york this week— something that happened in new york this week was perhaps at the york this week was perhaps at tne tevvet— york this week was perhaps at the lower end _ york this week was perhaps at the lower end of— york this week was perhaps at the lower end of things. attnettn— the lower end of things. attnettn t— the lower end of things. although i wonder albie amankona vvnetnet— although i wonder albie amankona vnetnet ntttnt— although i wonder albie amankona whether making such a drama out of whether making such a drama out et t— whether making such a drama out et t ente— whether making such a drama out of a crisis would— whether making such a drama out of a crisis would be— whether making such a drama out of a crisis would be quite tteetttnt— of a crisis would be quite upsetting and— of a crisis would be quite upsetting and disturbing to tttnee— upsetting and disturbing to prince william— upsetting and disturbing to prince william , given the fact prince william, given the fact tntt— prince william, given the fact tntt tnete — prince william, given the fact that there was— prince william, given the fact that there was no car crash . that there was no car crash. tettttt— that there was no car crash. tettttt tt— that there was no car crash. perhaps it was— that there was no car crash. perhaps it was wrong- that there was no car crash. perhaps it was wrong to- that there was no car crash. perhaps it was wrong to invoke echoes of diana in paris. i think i would agree with you n...— think i would agree with you tnete, nett— think i would agree with you there, mark. i— think i would agree with you there, mark. i don't doubt that tnev— there, mark. i don't doubt that tnev vee— there, mark. i don't doubt that tnev verv— there, mark. i don't doubt that they were very scared and penene— they were very scared and tetntte tnte— they were very scared and perhaps this was a two hour car eenne— perhaps this was a two hour car taste as tnev— perhaps this was a two hour car chase, as they mentioned, tttnettn— chase, as they mentioned, although they— chase, as they mentioned, although they seem to have tenet— although they seem to have poured-water- although they seem to have poured water that. poured cold water on that. i tntnt— poured cold water on that. i tntnt-t— poured cold water on that. i think-i wonder- poured cold water on that. i think-i wonder is- poured cold water on that. i think i wonder is why did think what i wonder is why did tnev— think what i wonder is why did tnev-tnte— think what i wonder is why did they-this-global. they make this huge global announcement— they make this huge global announcement that this had nettenet— announcement that this had nettenet tnt— announcement that this had happened and not just deal with it happened and not just deal with t tnvttetv— happened and not just deal with t tnvttetv ent— happened and not just deal with it privately and just say to net— it privately and just say to their friends— it privately and just say to their friends and family , i was their friends and family, i was in their friends and family, i was tn t— their friends and family, i was tn t tetttv— their friends and family, i was in a really scary— their friends and family, i was in a really scary situation . it in a really scary situation. it tetttv— in a really scary situation. it was really-can- in a really scary situation. it was really can you was really scary. can you confett— was really scary. can you comfort me?— was really scary. can you comfort me? can i have a hug? i tntnt— comfort me? can i have a hug? i tntnt tntt-e— comfort me? can i have a hug? i think that's-most- comfort me? can i have a hug? i think that's most normal think that's what most normal teette— think that's what most normal teette-tnev- think that's what most normal people they wouldn't people would do. they wouldn't teete— people would do. they wouldn'ti issue—statement issue a formal written statement and issue a formal written statement tnt teete— issue a formal written statement tnt tt— issue a formal written statement and issue it to— issue a formal written statement and issue it to the— issue a formal written statement and issue it to the world's nettt— and issue it to the world's nettt ant— and issue it to the world's media and create a frenzy about it media and create a frenzy about tt te— media and create a frenzy about tt te vvnte. — media and create a frenzy about it to write. your— media and create a frenzy about

it to write. /vit. ” ”cpr tit" media and create a frenzy about it to write. /vit. ” i" it to write. your reaction, mark gbnews.uk d0 it to write. your reaction, mark gbnews.uk do you to lend gbnews.uk do you want to lend your support harry and your support to harry and meghan? they're almost meghan? and they're almost catastrophic car crash. next up, we're going to talk about the car that is nhs who car crash that is the nhs who now believe there are 18 genders. we'll discuss that . genders. we'll discuss that. plus, why one of the world's most popular podcasts has just been by its own bank. been cancelled by its own bank. all of that's

to gb news radio . now. .; to gb news radio. now. this is pretty— to gb news radio. now. this is pretty shocking news, let me tell you . the very popular tell you. the very popular podcast triggernometry, which has welcomed guests from across the political spectrum but which dares to platform those who are sometimes critical of wokeism or gender ideology has had its bank account from tied bank cancelled the co founder of trigonometry is constantine kissin who's the author of the best selling an immigrant's love letter to the west and he joins me now. hi, constantine . constantine, when

constantine. constantine, when did you find out that your account had been cancelled by this bank ? we got a message this bank? we got a message about— this bank? we got a message about t— this bank? we got a message about t neet— this bank? we got a message about a week ago,— , we got a message about a week ago, and since that moment— about a week ago, and since that moment, we've been going back ent— moment, we've been going back tnt tenn— moment, we've been going back tnt tettn vvttn— moment, we've been going back and forth with tied— moment, we've been going back and forth with tied bank , trying and forth with tied bank, trying to ttnt— and forth with tied bank, trying to ttnt ott— and forth with tied bank, trying to find out what— and forth with tied bank, trying to find out what the reason for ten — to find out what the reason for them cancelling— to find out what the reason for them cancelling our bank account was them cancelling our bank account , tnev— them cancelling our bank account was , they refused— them cancelling our bank account was , they refused to give us an was, they refused to give us an evtttnttten— was, they refused to give us an explanation which— was, they refused to give us an explanation which made us very etettetete— explanation which made us very etettetete. vve— explanation which made us very suspicious. we know , as you do, suspicious. we know, as you do, for suspicious. we know, as you do, fo.-,_ suspicious. we know, as you do, fo.-, tntt— suspicious. we know, as you do, for-, that there- suspicious. we know, as you do, for-, that there are- for example, that there are etnet— for example, that there are etnet teette— for example, that there are other people in— for example, that there are other people in this country , other people in this country, tttttv— other people in this country, fairly mainstream people taunt,— fairly mainstream people actually, who've been unable to get-teeetnt— actually, who've been unable to get-account for- actually, who've been unable to get account for their get a bank account for their tettttett— get a bank account for their political-and- get a bank account for their political-and so- get a bank account for their political and so on. and political party and so on. and so because of— political party and so on. and so because of that, we knew that tntt— so because of that, we knew that tntt te— so because of that, we knew that tntt te t— so because of that, we knew that tntt te t tt-e— so because of that, we knew that tntt te t tt-e t— so because of that, we knew that that is a it's a possibility tntt— that is a it's a possibility tntt tnte— that is a it's a possibility that this is— that is a it's a possibility that this is politically motivated.- that this is politically motivated. we still haven't had an answer. five— motivated. we still haven't had an answer. five days later, eventttttv,— an answer. five days later, eventually, after many tteettene,— eventually, after many questions, they simply told us tnev— questions, they simply told us tnev etnnet— questions, they simply told us they cannot provide any further tntetnttten— they cannot provide any further information and— they cannot provide any further information and shut down the conversation. _ information and shut down the conversation. and— information and shut down the conversation. and because of ttn— conversation. and because of tntt, tettv— conversation. and because of tntt, tettv ve— conversation. and because of that, today we put a statement out on— that, today we put a statement out on eeettt— that, today we put a statement out on social media which went vtttt— out on social media which went vtttt .— out on social media which went vtttt . vie— out on social media which went vtttt . vve ntt— out on social media which went viral . we had everyone from the viral. we had everyone from the tee— viral. we had everyone from the tee speech_ viral. we had everyone from the free speech union— viral. we had everyone from the free speech union to jordan teteteen— free speech union to jordan teteteen te— free speech union to jordan peterson to all— free speech union to jordan peterson to all sorts of friends

tnt— peterson to all sorts of friends and colleagues— peterson to all sorts of friends and colleagues share this and vvttntn— and colleagues share this and vttntn t— and colleagues share this and vttntn t tet— and colleagues share this and within a few hours tide suddenly eettt— within a few hours tide suddenly eettt ttevtte— within a few hours tide suddenly could provide further information- could provide further information . and in fact, they information. and in fact, they set— information. and in fact, they ettt tntt— information. and in fact, they said that they're— information. and in fact, they said that they're investigating this said that they're investigating the te— said that they're investigating the as t— said that they're investigating this as a matter— said that they're investigating this as a matter of the highest tnentv. — this as a matter of the highest tnentv. se— this as a matter of the highest priority. so we'll— this as a matter of the highest priority. so we'll wait and see to ttnt— priority. so we'll wait and see to ttnt ott— priority. so we'll wait and see to find out what— priority. so we'll wait and see to find out what the reason for the— to find out what the reason for the te. — to find out what the reason for the te. ant— to find out what the reason for this is. and we'll— to find out what the reason for this is. and we'll take it from ttete— this is. and we'll take it from tnete. te— this is. and we'll take it from tnete. to vet— this is. and we'll take it from there. do you have a suspicion tntt— there. do you have a suspicion tn the— there. do you have a suspicion tn the te— there. do you have a suspicion that this is politically motivated,- that this is politically motivated, that you've welcomed vett— motivated, that you've welcomed your program — motivated, that you've welcomed vent preteen te— motivated, that you've welcomed your program is absolutely tnttttnt— your program is absolutely brilliant and— your program is absolutely brilliant and you listen to speakers— brilliant and you listen to speakers from _ brilliant and you listen to speakers from across the tettttett— speakers from across the political spectrum, but you've tntetvtevvet— political spectrum, but you've interviewed the _ political spectrum, but you've interviewed the likes of nigel ttttte— interviewed the likes of nigel ttttte-tn— interviewed the likes of nigel farage gb news. : farage from gb news. could that be vttt— farage from gb news. could that be your great crime ? or farage from gb news. : ” gtiti ti.” 7” or maybe be your great crime? or maybe we've also interviewed- ” gtiti ti.” i�*vi;7 or maybe we've also interviewed lord anttevv— we've also interviewed lord andrew adonis, _ we've also interviewed lord andrew adonis, the arch tentnen— andrew adonis, the arch remainer. we- andrew adonis, the arch remainer. we do try to speak to teente— remainer. we do try to speak to teette ntn — remainer. we do try to speak to teette ntn att— remainer. we do try to speak to people from all sides. as you say,— people from all sides. as you edit t— people from all sides. as you en; t nette— people from all sides. as you say, i hope that's— people from all sides. as you say, i hope that's not the case. i say, i hope that's not the case. t nette— say, i hope that's not the case. t note the— say, i hope that's not the case. i hope this has— say, i hope that's not the case. i hope this has been a mistake of i hope this has been a mistake et eene— i hope this has been a mistake et ttnt— i hope this has been a mistake of some kind-as- i hope this has been a mistake of some kind. as said , we of some kind. but as i said, we do of some kind. but as i said, we tenses—- of some kind. but as i said, we teeteee— ant- of some kind. but as i said, we teeteee— tnt eei do have previous cases and so tntt— do have previous cases and so tntt te— do have previous cases and so that is obviously— do have previous cases and so that is obviously something we ntve— that is obviously something we ntve tnettnt— that is obviously something we have thought about. look, they meet— have thought about. look, they neeet vttn— have thought about. look, they messed with the— have thought about. look, they messed with the wrong people in this messed with the wrong people in the tnetneet— messed with the wrong people in this instance. we've already had eevent— this instance. we've already had several—competitor. several offers from competitor ttnte— several offers from competitor ttnte te — several offers from competitor ttnte to open— several offers from competitor banks to open an— several offers from competitor banks to open an account. we've tttettv— banks to open an account. we've tttettv ttten— banks to open an account. we've already taken all— banks to open an account. we've already taken all our money out of already taken all our money out et ttte—

already taken all our money out et ttte tnt— already taken all our money out of tide and we'll— already taken all our money out of tide and we'll be finding out vntt-e— of tide and we'll be finding out vntt-e tent— of tide and we'll be finding out vntt-e tetnt en— of tide and we'll be finding out what's going on. and frankly , what's going on. and frankly, vou— what's going on. and frankly, vet tntn— what's going on. and frankly, you know, mark,— what's going on. and frankly, you know, mark, this wasn't tetttv— you know, mark, this wasn't tetttv-ttett— you know, mark, this wasn't really-about us. - you know, mark, this wasn't really about us. we were really ever about us. we were ttvnve— really ever about us. we were ttvtve—ettv. - really ever about us. we were. ttvtve—ettv. ivet always going to be okay. as you ettt— always going to be okay. as you ettt-ttettv— always going to be okay. as you ettt-ttettv-nevv- always going to be okay. as you said pretty now and said, we're pretty big now and we said, we're pretty big now and vve-vvettnet— said, we're pretty big now and we-weather the- said, we're pretty big now and. we .weather the _what we can weather the storm. what eeneetnet-e— we can weather the storm. what concerns-is the— we can weather the storm. what concerns is the contempt with concerns me is the contempt with when— concerns me is the contempt with vnten tnev— concerns me is the contempt with which they treated— concerns me is the contempt with which they treated us when they tott— which they treated us when they tett te— which they treated us when they tett te tnev— which they treated us when they told us they were— which they treated us when they told us they were closing our ttnt— told us they were closing our bank account.— told us they were closing our bank account-if- told us they were closing our bank account. if we were not bank account. and if we were not ente— bank account. and if we were not ttte-tneee— bank account. and if we were not able _these sort- bank account. and if we were not able-these sort of- able to raise these sort of concerns on social media and get tnetten— concerns on social media and get tnetten tnt— concerns on social media and get traction and threaten legal tetten— traction and threaten legal action, then— traction and threaten legal action, then perhaps we would we went— action, then perhaps we would we vettt te— action, then perhaps we would we vettt te tn— action, then perhaps we would we vettt te tn t— action, then perhaps we would we would be in a position where we eetttn-t— would be in a position where we eetttn-t tet— would be in a position where we couldn't get another bank account— couldn't get another bank account and— couldn't get another bank account and they would be able to net— account and they would be able to treat other— account and they would be able to treat other customers with the— to treat other customers with the een— to treat other customers with this sort contempt, which is this sort of contempt, which is et— this sort of contempt, which is one of-reasons_ this sort of contempt, which is one of reasons we're one of the reasons we're vntentnt— one of the reasons we're watching carefully watching very carefully what tnev— watching very carefully what tnev-ant — watching very carefully what tnev-ant to.— watching very carefully what they and do. and if we're they say. and do. and if we're not— they say. and do. and if we're net-ttnt— they say. and do. and if we're net-ttett tt— they say. and do. and if we're not-about it ,- they say. and do. and if we're not-about it, we- they say. and do. and if we're not about it , we will they say. and do. and if we're not about it, we will join not happy about it, we will join tenee— not happy about it, we will join forces-others— not happy about it, we will join forces-others .— not happy about it, we will join forces-others . we- not happy about it, we will join forces others . we will sue forces with others. we will sue ten,— forces with others. we will sue ten-tent- forces with others. we will sue ten-tent te- forces with others. we will sue them, going to take them, and we're going to take the— them, and we're going to take this—because- them, and we're going to take this—because it's. this all the way because it's eenttetetv— this all the way because it's- completely—this completely unacceptable. this ttetnvee— completely unacceptable. this ttetnveetne— completely unacceptable. this disproves the idea— completely unacceptable. this disproves the idea that cancel culture is a myth and it's a deeply chilling development, isn't it? we saw us for them, which is essentially a campaign group aimed at protecting the interests and rights of children . uh, they lost their funding

model through paypal. this free speech union were cancelled by paypal. you couldn't make it up. this is beyond satire. that's why it has to be opposed right at the beginning , why it has to be opposed right at the beginning, i why it has to be opposed right at the beginning , i think. and at the beginning, i think. and so, as i say , we will look, i so, as i say, we will look, i ten-t— so, as i say, we will look, i ten-t neve— so, as i say, we will look, i don't have any— so, as i say, we will look, i don't have any evidence at the moment— don't have any evidence at the moment politically moment that this is politically nettvntet— moment that this is politically nettvttet. t— moment that this is politically motivated. i also— moment that this is politically motivated. i also don't have any evttenee— motivated. i also don't have any evttenee-net— motivated. i also don't have any evidence not because evidence that it's not because of evidence that it's not because et tne— evidence that it's not because of the complete _ evidence that it's not because of the complete disregard for ntneetv— of the complete disregard for ntneetv tnt— of the complete disregard for honesty and open communication. the honesty and open communication. tne ttte— honesty and open communication. tne ttte ntve— honesty and open communication. the tide have shown in this tnetnee— the tide have shown in this instance-we— the tide have shown in this instance. we will wait and instance. so we will wait and eee-ttt— instance. so we will wait and see-will find- instance. so we will wait and see-will find out.- instance. so we will wait and see will find out. but see and we will find out. but vet-te— see and we will find out. but you're ttnt— see and we will find out. but you're right, mark, this has nettenet— you're right, mark, this has nettenet-.- you're right, mark, this has happened-. and- you're right, mark, this has happened . and so what happened before. and so what tnet— happened before. and so what tntt—te- happened before. and so what tntt—te ve- happened before. and so what that—is we really that means to me is we really nave— that means to me is we really have-sure that- that means to me is we really have _sure that we i that means to me is we really have sure that we push have to make sure that we push teet— have to make sure that we push tack on— have to make sure that we push tack on even— have to make sure that we push back on every instance where eenetntnt— back on every instance where something like— back on every instance where something like this happens. we nave— something like this happens. we nave-tetn— something like this happens. we have really vigilant have to be really vigilant teettee— have to be really vigilant because - next?- have to be really vigilant because next? are we because what's next? are we going— because what's next? are we tent to — because what's next? are we tetne te ent— because what's next? are we going to cut off— because what's next? are we going to cut off electricity tnn — going to cut off electricity tnn -tntt- going to cut off electricity from _that we - going to cut off electricity from that we disagree from people that we disagree vttne— from people that we disagree ntne-te— from people that we disagree. with?-is-happened with? if that is what's happened neee— with? if that is what's happened here?-completely- here? this is completely unacceptable— here? this is completely unacceptable in a free society . unacceptable in a free society. ant— unacceptable in a free society. ant ee— unacceptable in a free society. ant vett— unacceptable in a free society. ant vetn ,— unacceptable in a free society. and so, yeah , it's— unacceptable in a free society. and so, yeah , it's a big and so, yeah, it's a big concern. you're right . and you concern. you're right. and you nenttenet— concern. you're right. and you mentioned the— concern. you're right. and you mentioned the free speech union . tne— mentioned the free speech union . tne teetttn— mentioned the free speech union . the reclaim party— mentioned the free speech union . the reclaim party can't get a tent— . the reclaim party can't get a tent etnt— . the reclaim party can't get a bank account there are all sorts of bank account there are all sorts et tneee— bank account there are all sorts of these situations— bank account there are all sorts of these situations going on and as of these situations going on and ee t— of these situations going on and ee t savv— of these situations going on and as i say, completely unacceptable indeed. so stay

vttn— unacceptable indeed. so stay vvttn te— unacceptable indeed. so stay vvttn te tet— unacceptable indeed. so stay with us for a— unacceptable indeed. so stay with us for a moment if you can. ctnetenttne— with us for a moment if you can. ctnetenttne .— with us for a moment if you can. constantine , because— with us for a moment if you can. constantine , because with- with us for a moment if you can. constantine , because with us now constantine, because with us now is free speech champion , the is free speech champion, the co—founder of the daily sceptic onune co—founder of the daily sceptic online newspaper paper and the founder of the free speech union, toby young . toby, your union, toby young. toby, your reaction to this story worth stressing is what constantine has said there, that we cannot definitively prove that this is somehow a judgement on what trigonometry do. but it's a worrying development either way . yeah, it's extremely concerned . tn,— . yeah, it's extremely concerned . um, we're seeing,— . yeah, it's extremely concerned . um, we're seeing, i— yeah, it's extremely concerned . um, we're seeing, i think, tneteeetnttv— . um, we're seeing, i think, increasingly channels like tntenenettv— increasingly channels like trigonometry being demonetised no trigonometry being demonetised ne ttettetnet— trigonometry being demonetised no platformed by— trigonometry being demonetised no platformed by financial eennee— no platformed by financial services companies, not because tnev-ve— services companies, not because tnev-ve tene— services companies, not because they've done anything lawful , they've done anything lawful, tntenttt— they've done anything lawful, unlawful, but— they've done anything lawful, unlawful, but because the someone , some executives at the someone, some executives at the tenttnt— someone, some executives at the tenttnt centen— someone, some executives at the banking company, the payment pneeeetnt— banking company, the payment processing company, disapprove of processing company, disapprove ettne— processing company, disapprove et tne vtevve— processing company, disapprove of the views being expressed by tnet— of the views being expressed by that organisation.— of the views being expressed by that organisation. and you know, tnev— that organisation. and you know, tnev enetttn-t—

that organisation. and you know, they shouldn't have any business eeneennt— they shouldn't have any business eeneennt tne— they shouldn't have any business censoring the views of people tt— censoring the views of people tt tnev— censoring the views of people even if they disapprove of those vtevve— even if they disapprove of those , tnev— even if they disapprove of those views , they shouldn't be views, they shouldn't be intervening— views, they shouldn't be intervening in- views, they shouldn't be intervening in debates and tteeteetene— intervening in debates and discussions in— intervening in debates and discussions in the public square in discussions in the public square tn ttte— discussions in the public square tn the vev— discussions in the public square in this way and— discussions in the public square in this way and trying to tnnete— in this way and trying to tnnete e— in this way and trying to promote a particular ideological etente,— promote a particular ideological agenda, whether— promote a particular ideological agenda, whether it's a left wing etente— agenda, whether it's a left wing etente et— agenda, whether it's a left wing etente on e— agenda, whether it's a left wing agenda or a right,— agenda, whether it's a left wing agenda or a right, a right wing etente— agenda or a right, a right wing etente. ant— agenda or a right, a right wing etente. ant ee— agenda or a right, a right wing agenda. and as constantine says, i agenda. and as constantine says, t nneen— agenda. and as constantine says, t tt— agenda. and as constantine says, i mean, it happened to the free sneeen— i mean, it happened to the free steeen unen— i mean, it happened to the free speech union. it— i mean, it happened to the free speech union. it happened to me teteenettv— speech union. it happened to me peteenettv .— speech union. it happened to me peteenettv. tt— speech union. it happened to me personally . it happened to the speech union. it happened to me perso scepticit happened to the speech union. it happened to me perso sceptic lastppened to the speech union. it happened to me perso sceptic last yeared to the speech union. it happened to me perso sceptic last year .1 to the speech union. it happened to me perso sceptic last year . we the daily sceptic last year. we ttetet— daily sceptic last year. we ttetet up— daily sceptic last year. we kicked up an— daily sceptic last year. we kicked up an enormous fuss just as constantine— kicked up an enormous fuss just as constantine is— kicked up an enormous fuss just as constantine is doing now. i tntnt— as constantine is doing now. i tntnt tt-e— as constantine is doing now. i think it's the— as constantine is doing now. i think it's the right thing to do ent— think it's the right thing to do ent tn— think it's the right thing to do ent tn tne— think it's the right thing to do and in the end,— think it's the right thing to do and in the end, all our accounts were reinstated.— and in the end, all our accounts were reinstated. but wasn't were reinstated. but it wasn't tnet— were reinstated. but it wasn't ttet te— were reinstated. but it wasn't ttet tnete— were reinstated. but it wasn't just us. there were plenty of teette— just us. there were plenty of petite-net- just us. there were plenty of people-had their- just us. there were plenty of people had their accounts people who've had their accounts tennevet— people who've had their accounts tennevet tet— people who've had their accounts removed for purely— people who've had their accounts removed for purely political reasons, not— removed for purely political reasons, not because they've tene— reasons, not because they've tene envtntnt— reasons, not because they've done anything illegal, but just neee— done anything illegal, but just teee tne— done anything illegal, but just because the company seemed to tteettnve— because the company seemed to tteetpnve et— because the company seemed to disapprove of certain things tnev-te— disapprove of certain things tnev-te-se- disapprove of certain things they're-so law- disapprove of certain things they're so law or they're saying. so law or ttettene— they're saying. so law or fiction? medical they're saying. so law or- fiction?-medical freedom fiction? the uk medical freedom atttenee,— fiction? the uk medical freedom atttenee, e— fiction? the uk medical freedom alliance, a company called an ententeetten— alliance, a company called an organisation called left veettevn— organisation called left lockdown sceptics, was debunked by lockdown sceptics, was debunked tv tenet.— lockdown sceptics, was debunked tv tevtet. vvnet— lockdown sceptics, was debunked by paypal. what we're seeing , by paypal. what we're seeing, nett— by paypal. what we're seeing, nan, te— by paypal. what we're seeing, nan, te tne— by paypal. what we're seeing,

mark, is the embryo ionic form of mark, is the embryo ionic form et tne— mark, is the embryo ionic form of the chinese— mark, is the embryo ionic form of the chinese chinese social etettt— of the chinese chinese social etettt eveten— of the chinese chinese social credit system beginning to eete— credit system beginning to eete tn— credit system beginning to emerge in the— credit system beginning to emerge in the west, and we have to ten— emerge in the west, and we have to ten e— emerge in the west, and we have to ten e ttne— emerge in the west, and we have to draw a line in— emerge in the west, and we have to draw a line in that in the eent. — to draw a line in that in the eent. vte— to draw a line in that in the sand. we have— to draw a line in that in the sand. we have to- to draw a line in that in the sand. we have to make it eteetttetv— sand. we have to make it absolutely clear that we won't tetente— absolutely clear that we won't tolerate this— absolutely clear that we won't tolerate this interference in our democracy— tolerate this interference in our democracy by these companies that our democracy by these companies tnet etten— our democracy by these companies that often aren't— our democracy by these companies that often aren't even based nete.— that often aren't even based nete. tnev-te— that often aren't even based here. they're based in california— here. they're based in california .— here. they're based in california . they're based california. they're based somewhere— california. they're based somewhere overseas. what right do somewhere overseas. what right to tnev— somewhere overseas. what right to tnev neve— somewhere overseas. what right to tnev neve te— somewhere overseas. what right do they have to kick people off tnetn— do they have to kick people off their platforms— do they have to kick people off their platforms to— do they have to kick people off their platforms to exclude them tnn — their platforms to exclude them tnn tne — their platforms to exclude them from the public— their platforms to exclude them from the public square just neee— from the public square just because they— from the public square just because they happen to tteettnve— because they happen to disapprove of- because they happen to disapprove of their perfectly tevvttt— disapprove of their perfectly lawful views— disapprove of their perfectly lawful views or— disapprove of their perfectly lawful views or the lawful views of lawful views or the lawful views et-tnev— lawful views or the lawful views et-tnev neve— lawful views or the lawful views of-they have on- lawful views or the lawful views of they have on their of people they have on their enevee— of people they have on their shows? completely shows? it's completely unacceptable . we have to draw a unacceptable. we have to draw a ttne— unacceptable. we have to draw a ttne-eent— unacceptable. we have to draw a ttne-eennee,- unacceptable. we have to draw a line-sand-say, no,- line in the sand and say, no, vve-te—etent- line in the sand and say, no, we're—stand fori we're not going to stand for ttte— we're not going to stand for the . — we're not going to stand for this . constantine. - we're not going to stand for this . i“ we're not going to stand for this. i“ this. constantine. this is not a confected culture war. now, this is not a conspiracy theory , is is not a conspiracy theory, is it? we saw the canadian government freeze the bank accounts of truckers who objected to vaccine mandates dunng objected to vaccine mandates during the pandemic. we did indeed. and this— during the pandemic. we did indeed. and this is- during the pandemic. we did indeed. and this is why- t:” g : i we did indeed. and this is why we are etettetete— indeed. and this is why we are etettetete. ae— indeed. and this is why we are suspicious. as i— indeed. and this is why we are suspicious. as i got to keep

tepeettnt— suspicious. as i got to keep repeating this,— suspicious. as i got to keep repeating this, because i want to te— repeating this, because i want to te tetn— repeating this, because i want to be ten et— repeating this, because i want to be fair. of course, we don't tnet— to be fair. of course, we don't tnevv tt— to be fair. of course, we don't tnevv tt ttte— to be fair. of course, we don't know if this is— to be fair. of course, we don't know if this is politically motivated— know if this is politically motivated ,— know if this is politically motivated , but the reason we are motivated, but the reason we are all motivated, but the reason we are ett eeneetnet— motivated, but the reason we are all concerned is,— motivated, but the reason we are all concerned is, as— motivated, but the reason we are all concerned is, as tobi nenttenet,— all concerned is, as tobi mentioned, there have been ttentv— mentioned, there have been ttentv et— mentioned, there have been plenty of cases— mentioned, there have been plenty of cases this plenty of cases in this country ent— plenty of cases in this country ent tn— plenty of cases in this country and in others— plenty of cases in this country and in others of— plenty of cases in this country and in others of this happening. so and in others of this happening. se wnen— and in others of this happening. so when.happens_ and in others of this happening. so when happens to a podcast, so when it happens to a podcast, teet— so when it happens to a podcast, teen-tnet— so when it happens to a podcast, teen-knew ,— so when it happens to a podcast, look,-know , our— so when it happens to a podcast, look, know , our mission at look, you know, our mission at tttoenenettv— look, you know, our mission at trigonometry-have- look, you know, our mission at trigonometry have honest trigonometry is to have honest conversations— trigonometry is to have honest conversations fascinating conversations with fascinating teette— conversations with fascinating teette etett— conversations with fascinating people about difficult subjects and people about difficult subjects ent ee— people about difficult subjects ent en t— people about difficult subjects and so i understand that there is and so i understand that there teleenetttve— and so i understand that there islsensitive motty- and so i understand that there is sensitive motty about the is a sensitive motty about the conversations— is a sensitive motty about the conversations have , but conversations that we have, but i conversations that we have, but t ten-t— conversations that we have, but t ten-t tntnt— conversations that we have, but i don't think makes us i don't think that makes us tnetttttte— i don't think that makes us ineligible for— i don't think that makes us ineligible for a— i don't think that makes us ineligible for a bank account. as ineligible for a bank account. ae tetv— ineligible for a bank account. ae tetv eeve— ineligible for a bank account. ae tetv saysv t— ineligible for a bank account. as toby says, i don't think teette— as toby says, i don't think teette vnt— as toby says, i don't think people who commit no crimes enettt— people who commit no crimes enettt even— people who commit no crimes should ever fear— people who commit no crimes should ever fear that situation eeettnnt— should ever fear that situation occurring with— should ever fear that situation occurring with them . and in our occurring with them. and in our case, we are determined to make tnet— case, we are determined to make tnet ttte— case, we are determined to make sure that this hasn't— case, we are determined to make sure that this hasn't happened in sure that this hasn't happened tn ttte— sure that this hasn't happened tn the e— sure that this hasn't happened in this case. and— sure that this hasn't happened in this case. and we're determined— in this case. and we're determined to make sure that tet— determined to make sure that ttet etttet— determined to make sure that tied suffer the— determined to make sure that tied suffer the consequences of tnetn— tied suffer the consequences of their behaviour— tied suffer the consequences of their behaviour ,— tied suffer the consequences of their behaviour , even if this their behaviour, even if this ten-t— their behaviour, even if this isn't politically— their behaviour, even if this isn't politically motivated . i isn't politically motivated. i ttte— isn't politically motivated. i mean, this is— isn't politically motivated. i mean, this is not acceptable. vet— mean, this is not acceptable. vet een-t— mean, this is not acceptable. you can't shut— mean, this is not acceptable. you can't shut down people's tent— you can't shut down people's bank account— you can't shut down people's bank account and refuse to give tnen — bank account and refuse to give tnen en— bank account and refuse to give them an explanation that that tnet— them an explanation that that ttet—ant- them an explanation that that ttet—ant 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vvttn — carefully what tide comes back vvttn _tne — carefully what tide comes back vttn-tne ttt— carefully what tide comes back with -the our high- carefully what tide comes back with the our high priority with after the our high priority investigation— with after the our high priority investigation ,— with after the our high priority investigation , which they investigation, which they tntttettv— investigation, which they initially refused to do. and if net nettv— initially refused to do. and if we're not happy about it, all etttene— we're not happy about it, all etttene ee— we're not happy about it, all options are on— we're not happy about it, all options are on the table because teettnt— options are on the table because we're looking out— options are on the table because we're looking out for other options are on the table because we're ltwho g out for other options are on the table because we're ltwho mayt for other options are on the table because we're ltwho may not other options are on the table because we're ltwho may not have' options are on the table because we're ltwho may not have the people who may not have the event— people who may not have the tent tnet— people who may not have the cloud that we— people who may not have the cloud that we have to go after ten — cloud that we have to go after ten _tnte- cloud that we have to go after. them _this doesn't them and make sure this doesn't netten— them and make sure this doesn'ti netten—tn happen to anyone else. well, on your— happen to anyone else. well, on ten teteeet— happen to anyone else. well, on ten teteeet .— happen to anyone else. well, on your podcast , you interview your podcast, you interview figures the left and the figures on the left and the right. it's highly entertaining yourself. and frances foster co—created trigonometry . it's co—created trigonometry. it's a global phenomenon. i'd recommend all of my viewers and listeners give it a try. if they haven't already, and support it in every way they can. ditto for the free speech union and the daily sceptic online newspaper, both co—founded by toby young. mark, may i just jump in? and actually, before may i justjump in? and actually, before you- 7 and actually, before you go, just to say— actually, before you go, just to eev tnet— actually, before you go, just to say that actually— actually, before you go, just to say that actually the free steeen— say that actually the free speech union— say that actually the free speech union is so important neee— speech union is so important because when— speech union is so important because when things like this netten— because when things like this netten ttet— because when things like this happen, first thing i did is had a happen, first thing i did is had e-vttn— happen, first thing i did is had e-vvttn tetv— happen, first thing i did is had e-vvttn tony-t- happen, first thing i did is had a with toby i said, a chat with toby and i said, ttet,— a chat with toby and i said, look,-what's- a chat with toby and i said,i look,-what's-on. look, this is what's going on. ant— look, this is what's going on. ant-tne— look, this is what's going on. ant-tne-etl look, this is what's going on.i and _the _of the and having the backing of the tee— and having the backing of the nee—neent- and having the backing of thej free—meant that and having the backing of the. free—meant that we free speech union meant that we were-comfortable— free speech union meant that we were-comfortable in- were very comfortable in tttettnt— were very comfortable in pursuing quite pursuing this quite aggressively. followed aggressively. so followed trigonometry, _ aggressively. so followed trigonometry, course, but trigonometry, of course, but etee— trigonometry, of course, but etee nete— trigonometry, of course, but also make sure— trigonometry, of course, but also make sure you support the

tee— also make sure you support the tee steeen— also make sure you support the free speech union— also make sure you support the free speech union because it ttt— free speech union because it vttt tteteet— free speech union because it will protect not— free speech union because it will protect not only us, but a lot will protect not only us, but a tetlteette— will protect not only us, but a lot-people like— will protect not only us, but a lot people like us. very lot of people like us. very tntenent.— lot of people like us. very important. thank you both in important. so thank you both in ttentnt— important. so thank you both in ttentno teet— important. so thank you both in ttentno neet en— important. so thank you both in pushing back on these dark censorious voices is, we wish vet— censorious voices is, we wish vet tetn— censorious voices is, we wish you netn vett. — censorious voices is, we wish you both well. in i“ you both well. my thanks to konstantin kissin and toby young. coming up next, the papers with full pundit reactions , some cracking reactions, some cracking headlines. see you into

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exteetet— , typical annual charges are evneetet te— , typical annual charges are expected to fall— , typical annual charges are expected to fall from 2500 to azooo — expected to fall from 2500 to azooo vvnen — expected to fall from 2500 to £2,000 when the— expected to fall from 2500 to £2,000 when the summer price cap is £2,000 when the summer price cap te teveetet— £2,000 when the summer price cap is revealed next— £2,000 when the summer price cap is revealed next week— £2,000 when the summer price cap is revealed next week . wholesale is revealed next week. wholesale gas is revealed next week. wholesale tee tneee— is revealed next week. wholesale gas prices, which— is revealed next week. wholesale gas prices, which soared after tteete-e— gas prices, which soared after russia's invasion— gas prices, which soared after russia's invasion of ukraine, eenttnttnt— russia's invasion of ukraine, are continuing to drop in a enntet— are continuing to drop in a meter ttet— are continuing to drop in a major blow to— are continuing to drop in a major blow to vladimir putin's etieettve— major blow to vladimir putin's etieettve et— major blow to vladimir putin's objective of weaponizing energy ettpttee— objective of weaponizing energy etttttee .— objective of weaponizing energy etttttee . ae— objective of weaponizing energy supplies . as and— objective of weaponizing energy supplies . as and next week, supplies. as and next week, enntet— supplies. as and next week, official figures— supplies. as and next week, official figures are set to show tnttetten— official figures are set to show inflation will— official figures are set to show inflation will be _ official figures are set to show inflation will be below 10% for the inflation will be below 10% for tne ttet— inflation will be below 10% for the first time— inflation will be below 10% for the first time since last summer. also - the first time since last summer. also now, it'll be three tettee— summer. also now, it'll be three tettee tn— summer. also now, it'll be three babies in three— summer. also now, it'll be three babies in three years for boris ent— babies in three years for boris ent cente. — babies in three years for boris and carrie. while— babies in three years for boris and carrie. while he's been busy ee— and carrie. while he's been busy ne— and carrie. while he's been busy ne vett— and carrie. while he's been busy since he left number 10, hasn't nee— since he left number 10, hasn't nee text— since he left number 10, hasn't nee text tn,— since he left number 10, hasn't he? next up, we've— since he left number 10, hasn't he? next up, we've got the times nevetetet— he? next up, we've got the times nevetetet .— he? next up, we've got the times nevetetet . ttt— he? next up, we've got the times newspaper . our eye— he? next up, we've got the times newspaper . our eye is a clear newspaper. our eye is a clear ent— newspaper. our eye is a clear ent nteeent— newspaper. our eye is a clear and present danger to education. a ceetttten— and present danger to education. a ceetttten et— and present danger to education. a coalition of leaders of some of tne— a coalition of leaders of some of the country's— a coalition of leaders of some of the country's top schools neve — of the country's top schools have warned _ of the country's top schools have warned of— of the country's top schools have warned of the very real and teen— have warned of the very real and present hazards— have warned of the very real and present hazards and dangers tteeentet— present hazards and dangers tteeentet by— present hazards and dangers presented by this amazingly tevetttt— presented by this amazingly powerful software . the daily powerful software. the daily tetetntt— powerful software. the daily telegraph. now— powerful software. the daily telegraph. now us talking itself into economic— telegraph. now us talking itself into economic decline. forgive ceneetten— into economic decline. forgive me. correction the— into economic decline. forgive me. correction the uk . the uk me. correction the uk. the uk eettt— me. correction the uk. the uk eettt te— me. correction the uk. the uk could be both—

me. correction the uk. the uk could be both uk— me. correction the uk. the uk could be both uk talking itself ttte— could be both uk talking itself into economic— could be both uk talking itself into economic decline. britain is into economic decline. britain te et— into economic decline. britain te et net— into economic decline. britain te et ttet et— into economic decline. britain is at risk of looking so neoettvetv— is at risk of looking so negatively at- is at risk of looking so negatively at itself with a tnvvtnt— negatively at itself with a growing sense— negatively at itself with a growing sense of insidious and corrosive negativity. this eeeetttnt— corrosive negativity. this according to _ corrosive negativity. this according to jeremy hunt, the cneneettet— according to jeremy hunt, the chancellor of— according to jeremy hunt, the chancellor of the _ according to jeremy hunt, the chancellor of the exchequer, vnttnt — chancellor of the exchequer, vnttnt tet— chancellor of the exchequer, writing for the _ chancellor of the exchequer, writing for the telegraph . he writing for the telegraph. he eeve— writing for the telegraph. he eeve tnet— writing for the telegraph. he says that critics— writing for the telegraph. he says that critics on the left ent— says that critics on the left ent ttnt— says that critics on the left and right who— says that critics on the left and right who portray the eetnttv— and right who portray the eetnttv ee— and right who portray the country as on— and right who portray the country as on the slide risk nettnt— country as on the slide risk nettnt tnet— country as on the slide risk making that a— country as on the slide risk making that a self—fulfilling tntne.— making that a self—fulfilling tntneev. ne— making that a self—fulfilling prophecy. he made the intervention— prophecy. he made the intervention after tories voiced concerns at a national conservatism - concerns at a national conservatism conference this neet— conservatism conference this neet etett— conservatism conference this week about the _ conservatism conference this week about the state of britain. nntet— week about the state of britain. wnttet tnet— week about the state of britain. whilst nigel farage of this penen— whilst nigel farage of this tenen eett— whilst nigel farage of this parish said brexit had failed ent— parish said brexit had failed ent vett— parish said brexit had failed and keir starmer, the labour teeter— and keir starmer, the labour teetet ,— and keir starmer, the labour leader , vowed— and keir starmer, the labour leader , vowed to— and keir starmer, the labour leader , vowed to rework the eu leader, vowed to rework the eu teet— leader, vowed to rework the eu teet .— leader, vowed to rework the eu teet . se— leader, vowed to rework the eu deal . so look,— leader, vowed to rework the eu deal . so look, we'll get to more deal. so look, we'll get to more of tneee— deal. so look, we'll get to more of those economic— deal. so look, we'll get to more of those economic stories in a mement— of those economic stories in a moment .— of those economic stories in a moment . childline website moment. childline website ennetee— moment. childline website promotes trans— moment. childline website promotes trans treatment. cntttttne— promotes trans treatment. childline has— promotes trans treatment. childline has been accused of nine— childline has been accused of failing children— childline has been accused of failing children after teenagers vnt— failing children after teenagers who believed— failing children after teenagers who believed they were trans tett — who believed they were trans were told via— who believed they were trans were told via its— who believed they were trans were told via its website to eeet— were told via its website to seek potentially dangerous tteetnente— seek potentially dangerous treatments behind and their

tetente— treatments behind and their tetente teet— treatments behind and their parents back ,— treatments behind and their parents back , including breast parents back, including breast ttnttnt— parents back, including breast ttnttnt ent— parents back, including breast binding and hormone blockers vvttnett— binding and hormone blockers without parental— binding and hormone blockers without parental knowledge . ' t: without parental knowledge. and you without parental knowledge. and yet een-t— without parental knowledge. and yet een-t eeu— without parental knowledge. and you can't call them _ without parental knowledge. and you can't call them breasts- you can't call them breasts first it is chest, chest . first it is chest, chest. correct. better get that right or correct. better get that right on ttt— correct. better get that right or i'll-cancelled- correct. better get that right or i'll cancelled . well said, or i'll be cancelled. well said, tntnt— or i'll be cancelled. well said, tntnt-tevt— or i'll be cancelled. well said, tntnt-tevt up- or i'll be cancelled. well said, ingrid-next up ,- or i'll be cancelled. well said, ingrid next up , we've ingrid tarrant. next up, we've got ingrid tarrant. next up, we've eet-tenteee- ingrid tarrant. next up, we've got express energy got the daily express energy ttte— got the daily express energy ttte te— got the daily express energy bills to tumble.— got the daily express energy bills to tumble. it's a hat ttet. — bills to tumble. it's a hat trick. boris— bills to tumble. it's a hat trick. boris and- bills to tumble. it's a hat trick. boris and carrie's ttetnenev— trick. boris and carrie's ttetnenev .— trick. boris and carrie's pregnancy . joy daily mirror. pregnancy. joy daily mirror. ttve— pregnancy. joy daily mirror. ttve up— pregnancy. joy daily mirror. etve tn vett— pregnancy. joy daily mirror. give up your sick secrets, rose neee— give up your sick secrets, rose neee vveet— give up your sick secrets, rose neee vveet te— give up your sick secrets, rose rose west is under pressure to tevv— rose west is under pressure to tett ett— rose west is under pressure to tell all about— rose west is under pressure to tell all about the— rose west is under pressure to tell all about the horrific crimes that— tell all about the horrific crimes that she and twisted ntetent— crimes that she and twisted husband fred— crimes that she and twisted husband fred committed . add the husband fred committed. add the tvveetent— husband fred committed. add the tveetent ttt— husband fred committed. add the iweekend uk inflation set to vet— iweekend uk inflation set to tett enetttv— iweekend uk inflation set to fall sharply next week with tenet— fall sharply next week with tenet enettv— fall sharply next week with lower energy bills to follow . lower energy bills to follow. ant— lower energy bills to follow. ant teet— lower energy bills to follow. and last but— lower energy bills to follow. and last but not— lower energy bills to follow. and last but not least, for now, tne— and last but not least, for now, tne tettv— and last but not least, for now, tne tettv stet— and last but not least, for now, the daily star cost— and last but not least, for now, the daily star cost of living tnete— the daily star cost of living enete ttte— the daily star cost of living crisis hits .— the daily star cost of living crisis hits . prime minister crisis hits. prime minister retent— crisis hits. prime minister ttent te— crisis hits. prime minister rishi is down— crisis hits. prime minister rishi is down to his last half a ttttten— rishi is down to his last half a ttttten. stere— rishi is down to his last half a billion. spare a— rishi is down to his last half a billion. spare a thought for net— billion. spare a thought for tent ttent — billion. spare a thought for paul rishi sunak, who has tteeeet— paul rishi sunak, who has tteeeet tenn— paul rishi sunak, who has dropped down the rich list. and now now has just— dropped down the rich list. and now now has just £529 million tent— now now has just £529 million tett tn— now now has just £529 million tett tn tne— now now has just £529 million left in the bank.— now now has just £529 million left in the bank. okay well,

vett— left in the bank. okay well, ve-tt tet— left in the bank. okay well, ve-tt eet te— left in the bank. okay well, we'll get to some of the other eenene— we'll get to some of the other eenene vevv— we'll get to some of the other papers very shortly. but let's get— papers very shortly. but let's get teeetten— papers very shortly. but let's get reaction now— papers very shortly. but let's get reaction now from my tenteette— get reaction now from my fantastic pundits tonight. the tennet— fantastic pundits tonight. the former editor— fantastic pundits tonight. the former editor of— fantastic pundits tonight. the former editor of labourlist tetttteet— former editor of labourlist political commentator peter ttvette— political commentator peter ttvvette ,— political commentator peter edwards , broadcaster and tv host edwards, broadcaster and tv host tntnt— edwards, broadcaster and tv host ingrid tenet— edwards, broadcaster and tv host ingrid tarrant, and— edwards, broadcaster and tv host ingrid tarrant, and ed gb news, eter— ingrid tarrant, and ed gb news, etet eteeentet— ingrid tarrant, and ed gb news, star presenter of— ingrid tarrant, and ed gb news, star presenter of the saturday tne— star presenter of the saturday the, vnten — star presenter of the saturday five, which happens tomorrow eventnt— five, which happens tomorrow eventnt et— five, which happens tomorrow evening at 8:00.— five, which happens tomorrow evening at 8:00. it's albie anentene— evening at 8:00. it's albie amankona and— evening at 8:00. it's albie amankona and ed, peter, great tnettv— amankona and ed, peter, great news. energy bills to fall the tene— news. energy bills to fall the tevve tnet— news. energy bills to fall the tevve tnet ve— news. energy bills to fall the news that we needed. we've been vetttnt— news that we needed. we've been vvetttnt tet— news that we needed. we've been vvetttnt tet e— news that we needed. we've been waiting for a long— news that we needed. we've been waiting for a long time . it�*yilicc waiting for a long time. well, i was interested _ waiting for a long time. well, i was interested to— waiting for a long time. well, i was interested to say i used to be journalist. be a financial journalist. i think it's interesting this story energy and inflation is across of the papers across most of the papers tomorrow way the other . tomorrow one way or the other. but remember the independent office budget responsibility said inflation was going to said that inflation was going to come down anyway , regardless of come down anyway, regardless of government richardson government action. richardson named it as one of his five priorities. but it priorities. fair enough. but it was going to come down anyway. and sting the tail. was going to come down anyway. and energy sting the tail. was going to come down anyway. and energy prices; the tail. was going to come down anyway. and energy prices are the tail. was going to come down anyway. and energy prices are not tail. was going to come down anyway. and energy prices are not going the energy prices are not going to revert to their previous level going go level. they're not going to go back to the level of 2015, 2018. no, indeed. so although i $70; $708 no, indeed. so although surely by-up_ no, indeed. so although surely by-up to_ no, indeed. so although surely tv-te te tne- no, indeed. so although surely by up to the unions and

by standing up to the unions and tettetnt— by standing up to the unions and tettetnt tnetn— by standing up to the unions and refusing their inflation busting tenente— refusing their inflation busting tenente ,— refusing their inflation busting demands , rishi— refusing their inflation busting demands , rishi sunak has kept demands, rishi sunak has kept tevnvett— demands, rishi sunak has kept downward pressure on inflation, i downward pressure on inflation, t ten-t— downward pressure on inflation, t ten-t teettv— downward pressure on inflation, i don't really think that's fair at i don't really think that's fair et ett. — i don't really think that's fair et ett. vet— i don't really think that's fair at all. you know— i don't really think that's fair at all. /vit. i don't really think that's fair at all. /vi,t. i don't really think that's fair at all. /vit. at all. you know what are the drivers of inflation, food price rises, food prices, because we don't money printing. well that's bank of england policy rather than a government policy. but you know, theresa may closed off some of our gas reserves. we don't produce enough of our energy. that's a generation making . we don't grow enough of making. we don't grow enough of our food and we've got very expense lviv public transport. yet that is part owned by foreign government . it's even foreign government. it's even though there's no nationalisation of the british rail network. so the economy is designed in the wrong way and i don't want to make everything to party these party political. lots of these things happened on the things have happened on the fast, good. but fast, but this is good. but peter, on. can't we fast, but this is good. but. peter,-on. can't we just peter, come on. can't we just eenee— peter, come on. can't we just eotee tnet— peter, come on. can't we just agree that it's— peter, come on. can't we just agree that it's good that tnttetten— agree that it's good that inflation coming down, energy inflation is coming down, energy eneee— inflation is coming down, energy eneee-eentnt— inflation is coming down, energy prices coming down. the inflation is coming down, energy prices minister ng down. the inflation is coming down, energy prices minister is down. the inflation is coming down, energy prices minister is on wn. the inflation is coming down, energy prices minister is on his the inflation is coming down, energy prices minister is on his way to prime minister is on his way to neettnt— prime minister is on his way to neettnt-nte— prime minister is on his way to meeting-his five- prime minister is on his way to meeting his five pledges. meeting one of his five pledges. ttet-e— meeting one of his five pledges. tnet-e e— meeting one of his five pledges. tnet-e e teet— meeting one of his five pledges. that's a good thing. t:tir�* e that's a good thing. i don't tetteve— that's a good thing. i don't believe though. course. believe it, though. of course. yeah. we lower yeah. we all want lower tnttetten— yeah. we all want lower inflation, but— yeah. we all want lower inflation, but is- “vit?“ we all want lower inflation, but is that we're oetttnt— inflation, but is that we're getting inflation. that getting lower inflation. is that

neeeentno— getting lower inflation. is that neeeentno-et- getting lower inflation. is that happening of government happening because of government eetten— happening because of government eetten et— happening because of government action or despite— happening because of government action or despite government tneetten— action or despite government tneetten e — action or despite government inaction ? peter— action or despite government inaction ? g . t; inaction? peter is not giving rishi sunak credit for standing up to the unions whose wage demands will cause inflation to explode . well, i mean, we had explode. well, i mean, we had vete— explode. well, i mean, we had nete tenente— : well, i mean, we had wage demands coming from some of the wage demands coming from some of tne tntene— wage demands coming from some of tne tntene-tne— wage demands coming from some of the unions. the nurses, wage demands coming from some of the rcn ns. the nurses, wage demands coming from some of the rcn wanted the nurses, wage demands coming from some of the rcn wanted 19%ie nurses, wage demands coming from some of the rcn wanted 19% payirses, wage demands coming from some of the rcn wanted 19% pay rise.. the rcn wanted 19% pay rise. i tntnt— the rcn wanted 19% pay rise. i tntnt tnev— the rcn wanted 19% pay rise. i think they want— the rcn wanted 19% pay rise. i think they want a— the rcn wanted 19% pay rise. i think they want a double digit pay think they want a double digit eev nee— think they want a double digit eev even— think they want a double digit pay rise. even the labour party eett— pay rise. even the labour party eett tnev— pay rise. even the labour party said they wouldn't get that. t-ve— said they wouldn't get that. t-ve-e— said they wouldn't get that. i've-a double- said they wouldn't get that. i've a double digit pay i've not had a double digit pay nee— i've not had a double digit pay nee-en— i've not had a double digit pay rise. has-on this- i've not had a double digit pay rise. has on this planet, rise. has anyone on this planet, tnettn— rise. has anyone on this planet, even though you're— rise. has anyone on this planet, even though you're the even though you're worth the tettte— even though you're worth the tettte tt— even though you're worth the double it that— even though you're worth the double it that anyone should be why is it that anyone should be oetttnt— why is it that anyone should be oetttntltettte— why is it that anyone should be getting double digit pay getting a double digit pay rise? nett— getting a double digit pay rise?j vtevv—etn getting a double digit pay rise?j wellnow. _our getting a double digit pay rise?j wellnow. in _our getting a double digit pay rise? wellnow. i“ i our getting a double digit pay rise? wellnow. i“ i gtiti�*vi;our cars now. in fact, it's gone down. yeah, but this- cars now. i e d : yeah, but this is good down. yeah, but this is good ant— : yeah, but this is good news. and actually, this ties in vvttn— news. and actually, this ties in vvttn tne— news. and actually, this ties in with the theme— news. and actually, this ties in with the theme of— news. and actually, this ties in with the theme of an article. cen— with the theme of an article. cen t— with the theme of an article. cen t ttet— with the theme of an article. cen t ttet eet— with the theme of an article. can i just say something? being a here? because cause it's a cynic here? because cause it's just i think it's there's a horrible hidden little message here. it's all kind of because of the energy bills and so on because that's a huge factor driving factor in this because that's what sort of like shot it through the roof. there's two things here that say. things here that i'll say. jeremy hunt was all for putting up taxes, taxes, taxes keep

up taxes, taxes, taxes to keep a cap and they fail to meet cap on it. and they fail to meet their target to keep it down and everything. now they've just everything. so now they've just lost the byelections very, very badly . so this, i think, is badly. so this, i think, is their thing. well, look how well we've suddenly doing. so that's going to be the new thing. planting in people's minds. i don't buy it. the other thing as well , which i don't buy it. the other thing as well, which i really, really don't like at all, it sniffs to me is household bills fall by 500% or 450 is slashed. pounds, pounds, pounds. i mean pounds. thank you . but here in the thank you. but here in the telegraph they go one step further as putin's energy war fails . as energy war fails, this fails. as energy war fails, this is a dig at the whole russian thing. putin that wall, the war and everything. so that again , and everything. so that again, is putting another little seed in our minds that it's all his fault. and the first place. fault. and the very first place. but , do you know what? but actually, do you know what? we're really we're getting really self—sufficient now. i just i don't like what the reading between the lines says. and i don't trust it. and i don't

trust goal hunt. there's more, env— trust goal hunt. there's more, etev tn— trust goal hunt. there's more, more play in the— g there's more, more play in the background. teen.— more play in the background. veen. venet— more play in the background. yeah. what about this this piece tnet— yeah. what about this this piece tnet ttnt— yeah. what about this this piece tnet ntnt nee— yeah. what about this this piece that hunt has written for the teteonen— that hunt has written for the telegraph saying that we've got to telegraph saying that we've got te-ett— telegraph saying that we've got te-ett et— telegraph saying that we've got to-out of this— telegraph saying that we've got to out of this negativity to snap out of this negativity neee— to snap out of this negativity because iwant— to snap out of this negativity becauseiwant us- to snap out of this negativity because want us there he was. because i want us there he was. mr because i want us there he was. at teen — because i want us there he was. at teen ent— because i want us there he was. mr doom and gloom.— because i want us there he was. mr doom and gloom. he- because i want us there he was. mr doom and gloom. he was , but mr doom and gloom. he was, but he inherited an economic nightmare, didn't he? i mean, the bottom line— nightmare, didn't he? i mean, the bottom line is— nightmare, didn't he? i mean, the bottom line is that- i“ g t: t: i“ e 7 i mean, the bottom line is that the international— the bottom line is that the international bond markets would no international bond markets would ne-tent— international bond markets would ne-tent te— international bond markets would ne-tent te tne— international bond markets would no lend to the british no longer lend to the british eeeete— no longer lend to the british people competitively. borrowing was people competitively. borrowing ent— people competitively. borrowing ett et— people competitively. borrowing was out of control. that's the net— was out of control. that's the real irony . i was out of control. that's the real irony. i thought was out of control. that's the real irony . i thought jeremy real irony. i thought jeremy hunt has a blimmin cheek saying this, having served as a cabinet minister in the coalition because the actual run on the pound that we had under liz truss in the last year was a nightmarish made up by nightmarish fantasy made up by george osborne about the labour government in 2010, which didn't happen and was never going to happen. then when it did happen. and then when it did finally happen, it happened under jeremy finally happen, it happened undeihas jeremy finally happen, it happened undeihas got jeremy finally happen, it happened undeihas got a jeremy finally happen, it happened undeihas got a cheek jeremy finally happen, it happened undeihas got a cheek saying'emy finally happen, it happened undeihas got a cheek saying this hunt has got a cheek saying this is outrageous, talking about bringing economy bringing down the economy through doom and gloom he's through doom and gloom when he's beenin through doom and gloom when he's been in the government for about ten of the last 12 years. what do think? do ten of the last 12 years. what do .think? do .think. ten of the last 12 years. what. do-think? do .think hunt ivi;“ �*iz�* what dc hypocritical do think hunt vi“ �*iz�* what dc hypocritical do to think hunt vii“ �*iz�* what dc hypocritical do to sayk hunt vii“ �*iz�* what dc hypocritical do to say that nt

is hypocritical here to say that neve-te— is hypocritical here to say that ve-ve-te te— is hypocritical here to say that we've-to be less- is hypocritical here to say that we've to be less negative we've got to be less negative etett— we've got to be less negative about-country?- we've got to be less negative about country? no, i think about the country? no, i think i tntnt— about the country? no, i think i tntnt jeremy— about the country? no, i think i think jeremy hunt— about the country? no, i think i think jeremy hunt absolutely think jeremy hunt is absolutely ntnt. — think jeremy hunt is absolutely ntnt. _teeel right. we've got to be less negative economy. negative about the economy. lots of like to hate on jeremy of people like to hate on jeremy hunt. i don't know why liz truss actually said something very similar lots of liz similar last summer. lots of liz truss seem to hate truss supporters seem to hate jeremy hunt, but they're both actually thing. jeremy hunt, but they're both actuallytalk thing. jeremy hunt, but they're both actuallytalk ourselves thing. jeremy hunt, but they're both actuallytalk ourselves into hing. jeremy hunt, but they're both actuallytalk ourselves into a�*ig. we can talk ourselves into a recession and i do think the united kingdom has a bright future ahead of it. yes, we've got big changes to make in got some big changes to make in the in terms our tax the country in terms of our tax system, in terms of regulation. but i don't like all of this doom gloom, unfortunate doom and gloom, unfortunate albie. there an entire albie. there is an entire oenentten— albie. there is an entire generation of— vi; there is an entire generation of politicians and nette— generation of politicians and media commentators who want nntetn— media commentators who want entetn te— media commentators who want britain to fail— media commentators who want britain to fail because of event. — britain to fail because of event. t— britain to fail because of brexit. i don't- britain to fail because of brexit. tiviti“ o britain to fail because of brexit. : i“ o britain to fail because of- brexit. i don't know that that is fair . i brexit. i don't know that that is fair. i think that generation of media commentators , others of media commentators, others are disappointed with the result of brexit and would rather the country. but when we get bad economic always go economic news, they always go told it's brexit. we told you so. it's brexit. we neet— told you so. it's brexit. we neet te— told you so. it's brexit. we neet te te— told you so. it's brexit. we need to go back- vitt: it's brexit. we need to go back in. ozitt: it's brexit. we need to go back in. t:vit need to go back in. but do you not think that if remain had won the referendum, brexiteers would be saying the same thing? i just think it's two opposing sides. i

don't think it's necessarily helpful say remainers want helpful to say remainers want the country badly. every the country to do badly. every everyone. i think in britain, most people britain the most people in britain want the country i just think country to do well. i just think we've result we've got to accept the result of best with of brexit and do the best with what have. do you think we what we have. do you think we even—event- what we have. do you think we ever—brexit warsi ever will? will the brexit wars evet- tte— ever will? will the brexit wars ever it's interesting ever end? it's interesting that you— ever end? it's interesting that vet—tt- ever end? it's interesting that vet—t ttntl you say this because it kind of connects—other connects to one of these other etenee— connects to one of these other etenee tnet— connects to one of these other stories that _that - connects to one of these other stories that that you stories that you were that you nenttenet— mentioned about keir starmer etteoettv— mentioned about keir starmer allegedly dragging us back into the allegedly dragging us back into tne ttteeeen— allegedly dragging us back into the european union. 'i“t: vivit the european union. and i do eettettv— the european union. and i do actually think the brexit debate could be something which bubbles up only because if you up again only because if you look polling especially look at polling and especially in polling in youngest to in polling in the youngest to aged cohort, say between people born between 1984 and 2004, you actually see that around 67% of that group of people i'm in that cohort think that brexit was a badidea. cohort think that brexit was a bad idea . if you broaden it out bad idea. if you broaden it out to the broader population . to the broader population. torfaen it's actually 58% of people who think it's bad idea people who think it's a bad idea because of how it's been handled since think that since brexit. so i do think that we could be entering a period where brexit is up for debate again. really so would you countenance— again. really so would you countenance the— tinge i“ 7 so would you countenance the idea of another tetetenttn— countenance the idea of another referendum at— countenance the idea of another referendum at some point? i ten-t— referendum at some point? i

ten-t tnetn— referendum at some point? i don't know. could it be like seettente— don't know. could it be like scotland? we— don't know. could it be like scotland? we do - don't know. could it be like scotland? we do it every five vee — scotland? we do it every five vee _tnev- scotland? we do it every five years. _know about. years. i don't know about another referendum, i would another referendum, but i would not be surprised there are not be surprised if there are more voices coming from both parties . by more voices coming from both parties. by the more voices coming from both parties . by the way, about parties. by the way, about closer european alignment. okay , interesting stuff. do you- , interesting stuff. do you tntnt— , interesting stuff. do you tntnt tnet— , interesting stuff. do you think that labour will bring us eeeett— think that labour will bring us eeeett te— think that labour will bring us closer to europe— think that labour will bring us closer to europe ? closer to europe? i think ttet-tt— closer to europe? i think they'll bring us closer. a relationship wise, but i think keir starmer rachel reeves know that toast. and that they will be toast. and i do mean toast politically . if do mean toast politically. if they have any hints about running a second referendum. remember, they've already ruled out going back into the out no to going back into the customs to the single customs union, no to the single market and no to freedom of movement . so that's market and no to freedom of movement. so that's wrapping up integration and immigration, which are seen as a main driver for the brexit vote. so there is zero chance of going back in under a labour government. but on other hand , you know, how on the other hand, you know, how often do we have referendums like there could like this? i'm 41. there could easily be another one in my lifetime. i don't think there's easily be another one in my life appetite ion't think there's easily be another one in my lifeappetiteion'it. but:here's easily be another one in my life appetite ion"it. but you 's easily be another one in my life appetite ion"it. but you know an appetite for it. but you know , vette— an appetite for it. but you know , y nont— an appetite for it. but you know , you're right there. _ an appetite for it. but you know , you're right there. i— i“ o but you know , you're right there. i mean, if we ttet— , you're right there. i mean, if we can trust starmer, he said , we can trust starmer, he said, of we can trust starmer, he said, eet eennee— we can trust starmer, he said, eet ne— we can trust starmer, he said, of course he .a - we can trust starmer, he said, of course he a remainer and of course he was a remainer and evetvtntnt,— of course he was a remainer and evetvtntnt,-eett- everything, but he said there's

no everything, but he said there's ne—eeeettntl everything, but he said there's ne—eeeettnt ,| no well, generally speaking, tnete— no well, generally speaking, tnetelne— no well, generally speaking, there no appetite for another there is no appetite for another teetentnntt— there is no appetite for another referendum. and— there is no appetite for another referendum. and he's saying you een-t— referendum. and he's saying you een-t teet— referendum. and he's saying you can't look over— referendum. and he's saying you can't look over your shoulder. vet-e— can't look over your shoulder. vet-e ttet— can't look over your shoulder. vet-e ttet-tet- can't look over your shoulder. let's just-get on- can't look over your shoulder. let's just get on with let's just kind of get on with it let's just kind of get on with tt ent— let's just kind of get on with tt ent nete— let's just kind of get on with it and make brexit work. and so i it and make brexit work. and so t neee— it and make brexit work. and so t neee tnet— it and make brexit work. and so t neee tnet ne— it and make brexit work. and so i hope that he is— it and make brexit work. and so i hope that he is true to his tte— i hope that he is true to his he vett— i hope that he is true to his he went tn— i hope that he is true to his his word in that— i hope that he is true to his his word in that sort of like teeeeet— his word in that sort of like teeeeet ent— his word in that sort of like respect and just— his word in that sort of like respect and just to sort of like he respect and just to sort of like ne vente— respect and just to sort of like ne vente te— respect and just to sort of like he wants to kind— respect and just to sort of like he wants to kind of restore ttet— he wants to kind of restore tttet ent— he wants to kind of restore trust and build— he wants to kind of restore trust and build up better trade relationships— trust and build up better trade relationships and everything , relationships and everything, tnete— relationships and everything, tnet-e net— relationships and everything, tnet-e net e— relationships and everything, that's not a bad— relationships and everything, that's not a bad thing that teettv— that's not a bad thing that new ten-t— that's not a bad thing that really isn't a— that's not a bad thing that really isn't a bad thing. but we ntetn-t— really isn't a bad thing. but we ntetn-t teee— really isn't a bad thing. but we mustn't lose what— really isn't a bad thing. but we mustn't lose what we have neee— mustn't lose what we have because we are— mustn't lose what we have because we are we can be self ettttetent— because we are we can be self sufficient. we've _ because we are we can be self sufficient. we've become so retent— sufficient. we've become so tettent en— sufficient. we've become so reliant on definitely. �*vit�*vioo reliant on definitely. well, i tttnt— reliant on definitely. well, i tntnt vetve— reliant on definitely. well, i think you've got to give brexit a chance. i think we need a decade before it can be judged and it will be and i believe it will be a success. i that as success. and i say that as a remainer, but i think there are many reasons why it's panning out pretty well. but that's just my what's market gb my view. what's yours? market gb news. .uk. coming up, we've got more front pages. we've got the mirror and the guardian come mirror and the guardian to come . big news for boris johnson. he's to be a father again he's going to be a father again in time . so we'll in a few weeks time. so we'll discuss nhs now discuss that. plus the nhs now thinks that there are 18

genders. these are the people all responsible for your health. all of is .

next look, i could read a million of your brilliant emails , but i your brilliant emails, but i want to read this from sally and john because it's absolutely devastate eating and it's about the government . it's about the the government. it's about the economy and it's about their business. hi, mark. love your programme and gb news lose. say, sally and run small sally and john. we run a small successful pub. i voted conservative for most of my life , voted labour in 97. but that's history . i cannot see myself history. i cannot see myself voting tory at the next election as we're struggling . we work as we're struggling. we work extremely a result of extremely hard as a result of which our quarterly vat bill was over £25,000. we've had to borrow eight grand to supplement that payment and to be able to pay that payment and to be able to pay our pay bill on monday. i

don't believe in not paying our employees or suppliers , which is employees or suppliers, which is why we've borrowed the money we've been in this same business for 34 years now. i've never beenin for 34 years now. i've never been in such a bad position. the cost everything, especially been in such a bad position. the costtaxes,arything, especially been in such a bad position. the costtaxes, are �*iing, especially been in such a bad position. the costtaxes, are killing.pecially been in such a bad position. the costtaxes, are killing us. ially been in such a bad position. the costtaxes, are killing us. we're the taxes, are killing us. we're running at a loss and we're the busiest we've ever been. my husband and i have tonight joined the reform party in the hope that something will change. well, sally and john, thank you so much for telling me about your situation. you clearly run an pub. you've obviously an amazing pub. you've obviously got great staff, great customers . and i'm so sorry to hear that. although you're . and i'm so sorry to hear that. althtrunning you're . and i'm so sorry to hear that. althtrunning at you're . and i'm so sorry to hear that. althtrunning at a you're . and i'm so sorry to hear that. althtrunning at a loss. you're . and i'm so sorry to hear that. althtrunning at a loss. welcome now running at a loss. welcome to broken britain . thanks, sally to broken britain. thanks, sally and john. let's get to a couple more papers. the guardian, they lead with the following patients paying lead with the following patients paying £550 an hour for private gp's and harrison ford bids a tearful farewell to indiana jones and the daily mirror serial killer exclusive . give up serial killer exclusive. give up your sick secrets, rose evil. fred west urged evil. fred west

evil rose west urged to come clean on her murders and any other victims . want to get to other victims. want to get to another story in the papers. and nhs chiefs are under fire for listing 18 gender options on a patient form. that's right, 18 doctors, including two spirits, don't know what that is, but apparently that's used by indigenous communities to spirit the paperwork. also includes another option for those not covered by the extensive list. so shall we go through the list and find out all the different genders that the nhs thinks you've got? male that's nice. female can i write this down? yeah, i think you're female, but i yeah, i think you're female, but t nttnt— yeah, i think you're female, but t nttnt neve— yeah, i think you're female, but i might have to— yeah, i think you're female, but i might have to check ingrid ten—ttnetv— i might have to check ingrid non—binary passing third gender tnnetentet— non—binary passing third gender transgender or— non—binary passing third gender transgender or transgender? it? i“ transgender or transgender? man tnnetentet— transgender or transgender? man transgender woman— transgender or transgender? man transgender woman two spirit a gender by gender. cis gender. gender expression . gender fluid. gender expression. gender fluid. genden gender expression. gender fluid. gender. queer gender variant prefer not to say and other cisgender cis gender. that's apparently what—

cisgender cis gender. that's apparently what you - ti. 3: ti. 93706” that's apparently what you are. ' ti. 3 i ti. gti; i that's apparently what you are. ' 7’ apparently what you are. am i? yes teeeete— apparently what you are. am i? yes teeeete e— apparently what you are. am i? yes because a cisgender woman is a biological female . so you're a biological female. so you're not just a woman anymore. you're a woman. well, because that would make you a bigot if you yourself woman. you called yourself a woman. you've cis woman. you've got to be a cis woman. oh, yes. and i'm a cis man. or a bit sissy peter , this is bit of a sissy peter, this is not a great use of the nhs resources, is it? i think it's teet— resources, is it? i think it's teet te— resources, is it? i think it's teet te tett— resources, is it? i think it's good to talk about- ”ti.vi;~ifv o7’ i think it's good to talk about different tntee— good to talk about different tnetne vttn— good to talk about different groups with care and sensitivity . et— groups with care and sensitivity . eet eennee— groups with care and sensitivity . of course, the— groups with care and sensitivity . of course, the job of the nhs is . of course, the job of the nhs te eevtnt— . of course, the job of the nhs is saving lives— . of course, the job of the nhs is saving lives and— . of course, the job of the nhs is saving lives and preventing netn.— is saving lives and preventing netn. ttt— is saving lives and preventing netn. ntt tt— is saving lives and preventing harm. but if it's— is saving lives and preventing harm. but if it's a little bit of harm. but if it's a little bit et ttne— harm. but if it's a little bit et ttne ent— harm. but if it's a little bit of time and energy on trying to tttnttv— of time and energy on trying to ensure dignity for— of time and energy on trying to ensure dignity for people , ensure dignity for people, eeeeetettv— ensure dignity for people, especially when they're sick, you— especially when they're sick, vet tnevv. — especially when they're sick, vet tnevv. tt— especially when they're sick, you know, if you're a trans tentet— you know, if you're a trans gender-patient,- gender cancer patient, you etetettv— gender cancer patient, you probably want— gender cancer patient, you probably want to be treated with teeeeet— probably want to be treated with teeeeet ent— probably want to be treated with respect and care.— probably want to be treated with respect and care. this is a tntte— respect and care. this is a little _that- little part of that accommodating, ideology. accommodating, bonkers ideology. the accommodating, bonkers ideology. the-ttne— accommodating, bonkers ideology. the-ttne te— accommodating, bonkers ideology. the-line is the— accommodating, bonkers ideology. the-line is the patient- the bottom line is the patient is a biological male or is either a biological male or a biological female. after all, if a male comes into a&e, they're not going to be giving birth, are no men can't give are they? no men can't give birth, but they are asked if birth, but but they are asked if they're pregnant well before they're pregnant well before they any medication . they administer any medication. i don't think it's necessary to

eet— i don't think it's necessary to eet e— i don't think it's necessary to eet e men— i don't think it's necessary to eet e tt— i don't think it's necessary to ask a man if they're pregnant neee— ask a man if they're pregnant because there— ask a man if they're pregnant because there are— ask a man if they're pregnant because there are certain facts in because there are certain facts tn ttte— because there are certain facts tn ttte ve— because there are certain facts in life we talked— because there are certain facts in life we talked about earlier. ttt— in life we talked about earlier. nnt-tn— in life we talked about earlier. nnt-tn ntnt— in life we talked about earlier. but in mind people seeing but bear in mind people seeing the but bear in mind people seeing tne-etet— but bear in mind people seeing tne-etet-sel the nhs are sick people. so etetn— the nhs are sick people. so etetn tt— the nhs are sick people. so again, if you're— the nhs are sick people. so again, if you're a- the nhs are sick people. so again, if you're a cancer tettent— again, if you're a cancer patient,-you're- again, if you're a cancer patient, you're also perhaps patient, but you're also perhaps in patient, but you're also perhaps tn-enettenet— patient, but you're also perhaps in emotional distress over in some emotional distress over vett— in some emotional distress over your-identity— in some emotional distress over your identity, there's your gender identity, there's netntnt— your gender identity, there's nothing-with- your gender identity, there's nothing with public sector nothing wrong with public sector eteteeetenete— nothing wrong with public sector professionals showing a bit of tn tnetn— professionals showing a bit of care in their language. i“ care in their language. i mean, tettete— care in their language. i mean, tettete attte— care in their language. i mean, perhaps albie the solution would be four options, which is be for four options, which is male, female, transgender , male, female, transgender, woman, transgender man. but 18 is a bit odd, isn't it? i think 18 seems a bit— is a bit odd, isn't it? i think 18 seems a bit ott- is a bit odd, isn't it? i think 18 seems a bit ott .- is a bit odd, isn't it? i think 18 seems a bit ott. i- o viii o o7’ i think 18 seems a bit ott. i think most eeeete— 18 seems a bit ott. i think most eeeete nevveteve— 18 seems a bit ott. i think most people nowadays understand their are trans men and— people nowadays understand their are trans men and trans women ent— are trans men and trans women ent en— are trans men and trans women ent ent— are trans men and trans women and men and women. they might just and men and women. they might ttet etett— and men and women. they might ttet etett tet— and men and women. they might just about get their— and men and women. they might just about get their heads eetnt— just about get their heads around non—binary as well. but the around non—binary as well. but tne teet— around non—binary as well. but tne teet et— around non—binary as well. but tne teet et tt— around non—binary as well. but the rest of it seems a bit tnttttent— the rest of it seems a bit tntttoent .— the rest of it seems a bit indulgent . you- the rest of it seems a bit indulgent . you know, i think indulgent. you know, i think ttve— indulgent. you know, i think ttve te— indulgent. you know, i think even five is probably too much for even five is probably too much tet ee— even five is probably too much for some people,— even five is probably too much for some people, but i think neet— for some people, but i think neet eeeete— for some people, but i think most people probably genuinely tntetetent— most people probably genuinely understand those— most people probably genuinely understand those principles . 18 understand those principles. 18 i understand those principles. 18 ttntnt— understand those principles. 18 ttntnt te— understand those principles. 18 ttntnt te eetnt— understand those principles. 18 i think is going a— understand those principles. 18 i think is going a bit cuckoo. yest— i think is going a bit cuckoo. vee. t— i think is going a bit cuckoo. yes, i couldn't— i think is going a bit cuckoo. yes, i couldn't agree- i think is going a bit cuckoo. yes, i couldn't agree more. it's time now for my pundits to nominate their headline heroes

and back page zeroes. so peter edwards , who's caught your eye edwards, who's caught your eye today? well, edwards, who's caught your eye today? well , i wanted to flag up today? well, i wanted to flag up the superhuman— i7 well, i wanted to flag up the superhuman efforts of kevin sinai,— the superhuman efforts of kevin snnaa, tne— the superhuman efforts of kevin sinfield, the rugby league eteven— sinfield, the rugby league etevet. teen— sinfield, the rugby league player. yeah running marathon entet— player. yeah running marathon after marathon— player. yeah running marathon after marathon for his friend, etttennt— after marathon for his friend, suffering from,— after marathon for his friend, suffering from, i— after marathon for his friend, suffering from, i think, motor neurone disease— suffering from, i think, motor neurone disease in aid of the tnetn— neurone disease in aid of the enentv. ant— neurone disease in aid of the enentv. ant t— neurone disease in aid of the charity. and i know nothing at all charity. and i know nothing at ett etett— charity. and i know nothing at all about rugby— charity. and i know nothing at all about rugby league, but this is all about rugby league, but this te e— all about rugby league, but this te e etetv— all about rugby league, but this is a story that's— all about rugby league, but this is a story that's crossed sports ent— is a story that's crossed sports ent ett— is a story that's crossed sports and all newspapers all media and all newspapers and all media neee— and all newspapers and all media teee tt— and all newspapers and all media because it.inspiring_ and all newspapers and all media because it inspiring above because it is inspiring above ent— because it is inspiring above ent tevent— because it is inspiring above and beyond the— because it is inspiring above and beyond the physical effort as and beyond the physical effort ee vett. — and beyond the physical effort as well. absolutely. what a treet— as well. absolutely. what a great nomination for headline nete— great nomination for headline nete . — great nomination for headline nete . tntttt— great nomination for headline hero . ingrid, who- great nomination for headline hero . iii” vit”vi; great nomination for headline hero . “g” i great nomination for headline hero . i“v3”i hero. ingrid, who are you a fan of today ? well. oh, yours is of today? well. oh, yours is ttttttent— of today? well. oh, yours is ttttttent. t— of today? well. oh, yours is brilliant. i love— i7 well. oh, yours is brilliant. i love yours . i7 well. oh, yours is brilliant. i love yours. it's stette— brilliant. i love yours. it's suella braverman because yours. i suella braverman because yours. t tntnt— suella braverman because yours. ttntnt ene— suella braverman because yours. ttntnt ene te— suella braverman because yours. i think she is just— suella braverman because yours. i think she is just pushing , i think she is just pushing, etentnt— i think she is just pushing, etentno ent— i think she is just pushing, pushing and pushing for what she tettevee. — pushing and pushing for what she tettevee. ant— pushing and pushing for what she believes. and that— pushing and pushing for what she believes. and that is actually to believes. and that is actually te-eenttet— believes. and that is actually to - control of _ believes. and that is actually to control of borders to take control of the borders ent— to take control of the borders ent teet— to take control of the borders ent keep tne — to take control of the borders and keep the numbers down. she's not and keep the numbers down. she's net tetne— and keep the numbers down. she's net tetne-teet— and keep the numbers down. she's not doing good she's not doing a very good job. she's not doing a very good job. she's net—ttt— not doing a very good job. she's net—tett ene-e- not doing a very good job. she's not but she's trying. not doing. no, but she's trying. at—ttvtnt— not doing. no, but she's trying. at—ttvtnt nett- at least she's trying hard enettn. — at least she's trying hard enough. she's- at least she's trying hard enough. i“ enough. she's a lone voice in the cabinet . she is. she's the cabinet. she is. she's trying to be prime minister i think. no, do you know, think. no, but do you know, i tntnt— think. no, but do you know, i tntnt teettv— no, but do you know, i think really genuinely her heart is think really genuinely her heart te tn— think really genuinely her heart te tn tt—

think really genuinely her heart te tn tt .— think really genuinely her heart te tn tt . t— think really genuinely her heart is in it. i didn't— think really genuinely her heart is in it. i didn't i— think really genuinely her heart is in it. i didn't i don't think tntt— is in it. i didn't i don't think priti patel's_ is in it. i didn't i don't think priti patel's heart was eenetetetv— priti patel's heart was completely in it. it was she was nettnt— completely in it. it was she was nettnt tne— completely in it. it was she was making the right— completely in it. it was she was making the right noises because tnete— making the right noises because tnet-e-evetvtetv- making the right noises because that's everybody to that's what everybody wanted to teen — that's what everybody wanted to neet-nett— that's what everybody wanted to hear.-really think- that's what everybody wanted to hear. really think she's hear. but i really think she's tnet— hear. but i really think she's ttet-nett— hear. but i really think she's tried-hard. she- hear. but i really think she's tried hard. she tried to the tried so hard. she tried to the tent— tried so hard. she tried to the tetnt-sne-e— tried so hard. she tried to the round-she's used- tried so hard. she tried to the round she's used her round thing. she's used her tetet— round thing. she's used her legal knowledge and expertise to nete— legal knowledge and expertise to nete nete— legal knowledge and expertise to nete nete tt— legal knowledge and expertise to make make it legal, to be able to make make it legal, to be able te te— make make it legal, to be able te te tnet— make make it legal, to be able to do that and— make make it legal, to be able to do that and not— make make it legal, to be able to do that and not illegal. i tne— to do that and not illegal. i mean, the plane— to do that and not illegal. i mean, the plane was like left on the mean, the plane was like left on tne tennee— mean, the plane was like left on tne tetnee et— mean, the plane was like left on the tarmac at the— mean, the plane was like left on the tarmac at the very last ntntte. — the tarmac at the very last ntntte. t— the tarmac at the very last minute. ithink— the tarmac at the very last minute. i think she's really, teettv— minute. i think she's really, new tntne— minute. i think she's really, really trying and she's not oetttnt— really trying and she's not getting support of the getting the support of the eettnet— getting the support of the cabinet, the _ getting the support of the cabinet, the backbenchers. she's not cabinet, the backbenchers. she's net oetttnt— cabinet, the backbenchers. she's net tetttno tne— cabinet, the backbenchers. she's not getting the support, really, of not getting the support, really,. et—neven-t of the public because we haven't teen— of the public because we haven't teen ente— of the public because we haven't teen ette te— of the public because we haven't been able to show— of the public because we haven't been able to show the people tnet— been able to show the people tnet te— been able to show the people tnet te ettten— been able to show the people that do support her come on, ttt— that do support her come on, giriv vet— that do support her come on, giriv vet een— that do support her come on, girl, you can do— that do support her come on, girl, you can do it. we're tentnt— girl, you can do it. we're tentnt vet— girl, you can do it. we're behind you on- girl, you can do it. we're behind you on this. so i think tnve— behind you on this. so i think tnve . — behind you on this. so i think tnve . teen.— behind you on this. so i think bravo . yeah. i— behind you on this. so i think bravo . “vit? i“ i“ behind you on this. so i think bravo . “tilt? i“ i“ behind you on this. so i think bravo. / i bravo. yeah. i mean, the likes of braverman are jockeying for position, aren't they? almost anticipating that the tories will lose the next election ? i will lose the next election? i think that would be very- ii i7 i think that would be very unwise . i think that would be very unwise . t vettt— think that would be very unwise . i would still— think that would be very unwise . i would still put— think that would be very unwise . i would still put my money on nett— . i would still put my money on ten stnet— . i would still put my money on rishi sunak for— . i would still put my money on rishi sunak for next rishi sunak for the next eteetten— rishi sunak for the next. election._him rishi sunak for the next- election._him as election. i believe in him as tne— election. i believe in him as the conservative— election. i believe in him as the conservative think the conservative party. i think ne-e— the conservative party. i think ne-e tne— the conservative party. i think ne-e tne men— the conservative party. i think he's the man for— the conservative party. i think he's the man for the job. i went— he's the man for the job. i vettt eet— he's the man for the job. i vettt eev te— he's the man for the job. i would say to suella braverman, vte— would say to suella braverman, who .criticising _ would say to suella braverman, who-criticising the - who was criticising the government's line on migration ,

government's line on migration, ene-e— government's line on migration, ene-e ettnet— government's line on migration, she's either proving that she's not-influential- she's either proving that she's not influential home not a very influential home seetetetv— not a very influential home seetetetv et— not a very influential home secretary or she's not very good at secretary or she's not very good et net— secretary or she's not very good et net tet— secretary or she's not very good at her job because— secretary or she's not very good at her job because she just at herjob because she just een-t— at herjob because she just een-t tet— at herjob because she just can't get anything done. so i tntnt— can't get anything done. so i think constantly— can't get anything done. so i think constantly attacking the oevetnnent— think constantly attacking the government or— think constantly attacking the government or being seen to etteet— government or being seen to. etteet—tnte government or being seen to. attackiline_this government or being seen to attack line just this government or being seen to attack line just shows this government or being seen to attack line just shows heriis government or being seen to attack line just shows her own migrant line just shows her own eneneentnte. — migrant line just shows her own shortcomings. your— migrant line just shows her own shortcomings. your headline nete. — shortcomings. your headline nete. se— shortcomings. your headline nete. so my— shortcomings. your headline hero. i shortcomings. your headline- hero. so my headline hero are mr and mrs. johnson. so boris and cente— and mrs. johnson. so boris and carrie johnson— and mrs. johnson. so boris and carrie johnson ,— and mrs. johnson. so boris and carrie johnson , who— and mrs. johnson. so boris and carrie johnson , who are,- vii“i i~i”~ifv so boris and carrie johnson , who are, of carrie johnson, who are, of etntte— carrie johnson, who are, of course, single handedly solving ttttetn-e— course, single handedly solving britain's fertility— course, single handedly solving britain's fertility crisis . you britain's fertility crisis. you vtevv.— britain's fertility crisis. you knew. t— britain's fertility crisis. you know, i think— britain's fertility crisis. you know, i think boris is now going to know, i think boris is now going te te— know, i think boris is now going te te en— know, i think boris is now going te te en nnet.— know, i think boris is now going to be on what, his— know, i think boris is now going to be on what, his eight, nine, 11, to be on what, his eight, nine, n t— to be on what, his eight, nine, n t tntnt— to be on what, his eight, nine, 11, i think 350th— to be on what, his eight, nine, 11, i think 350th child, who tnete— 11, i think 350th child, who tneve e— 11, i think 350th child, who knows ? but— 11, i think 350th child, who knows ? but miriam cates and knows? but miriam cates and a lot knows? but miriam cates and a tet et— knows? but miriam cates and a lot of conservative _ knows? but miriam cates and a lot of conservative lives at the tettenet— lot of conservative lives at the national conservatism conference eetetttnt— national conservatism conference were talking about— national conservatism conference were talking about our tttnnettnt- were talking about our plummeting fertility rates being a plummeting fertility rates being e ttte— plummeting fertility rates being e ttte teete— plummeting fertility rates being a huge issue for— plummeting fertility rates being a huge issue for the country. tene— a huge issue for the country. tene te— a huge issue for the country. boris is coming— a huge issue for the country. boris is coming to save the day. tnent— boris is coming to save the day. tnent tet— boris is coming to save the day. thank god boris— boris is coming to save the day. thank god boris jeans oh, i'm net— thank god boris jeans oh, i'm net ette— thank god boris jeans oh, i'm net ne-e— thank god boris jeans oh, i'm not sure he's really put his teet— not sure he's really put his teet tnte— not sure he's really put his back into it,— not sure he's really put his back into it, hasn't he, making tete— back into it, hasn't he, making tete et— back into it, hasn't he, making lots of-prime- back into it, hasn't he, making lots of prime ministers lots of future prime ministers venet— lots of future prime ministers wnet ttt— lots of future prime ministers wnet ttt vet— lots of future prime ministers what did you think— lots of future prime ministers what did you think about- lots of future prime ministers what did you think about that speech from miriam cates earlier what did you think about that sp thei from miriam cates earlier what did you think about that sp the week miriam cates earlier what did you think about that sp the week whenm cates earlier what did you think about that sp the week when sheates earlier what did you think about that sp the week when she said earlier what did you think about that sp the week when she said thattr in the week when she said that we need more home grown children 7 we need more home grown children ? because some on the left, in

particular, i was reading the guardian today that they thought that was a bit racist, that we shouldn't restock the country from you from abroad. do you think do you think idea want think the idea that we want british families to reproduce is somehow thing? do you somehow a racist thing? do you know? actually, mark,- somehow a racist thing? do you know? actually, mark, it's- i. ign7 do you know? actually, mark, it's funny you know? actually, mark, it's funny vet eet— know? actually, mark, it's funny vet eev tnet— know? actually, mark, it's funny you say that because a couple of teete—vette- weeks ago i was doing a radio tntetvtev— weeks ago i was doing a radio interview-another- weeks ago i was doing a radio interview another station and interview on another station and i interview on another station and t—snetetn- i mentioned that shelagh tetenv. — i mentioned that shelagh fogarty. shelagh fogarty exactly . ant— fogarty. shelagh fogarty exactly . ant vet— fogarty. shelagh fogarty exactly . ant vet eett— fogarty. shelagh fogarty exactly . and you said and i said, tentttee— . and you said and i said, families-more- . and you said and i said,- families-more children. families to have more children. we families to have more children.- vie—tettetee. we need more pro—natal policies. we need more pro—natal policies. vve neet— we need more pro—natal policies. we need-british— we need more pro—natal policies. we need british families to we need more british families to neve— we need more british families to neve entttten— we need more british families to have children and— we need more british families to have children and sheila, you vtevv.— have children and sheila, you knew. tevetv— have children and sheila, you know, lovely woman asked asked vnetnet— know, lovely woman asked asked vnetnet et— know, lovely woman asked asked whether or not— know, lovely woman asked asked whether or not she— know, lovely woman asked asked whether or not she thought that . vnetnet— whether or not she thought that . vnetnet et— whether or not she thought that , whether or not— whether or not she thought that , whether or not i— whether or not she thought that , whether or not i thought that e neet— , whether or not i thought that was a racist policy— , whether or not i thought that was a racist policy . and i had was a racist policy. and i had to was a racist policy. and i had te eev— was a racist policy. and i had te eev te— was a racist policy. and i had to say to sheila,— was a racist policy. and i had to say to sheila, sheila, you een-t— to say to sheila, sheila, you can't see me, but- to say to sheila, sheila, you can't see me, but i'm black. no, i can't see me, but i'm black. no, v ten-t— can't see me, but i'm black. no, v ten-t tntnt— can't see me, but i'm black. no, i don't think it's— can't see me, but i'm black. no, i don't think it's racist. i tntnt— i don't think it's racist. i think british— i don't think it's racist. i think british families should neve— think british families should- have—includes have more children than includes tnet— have more children than includes black families. _ have more children than includes black families. families , black families. white families, aeten— black families. white families, asian families,— black families. white families, asian families, all british tentttee— asian families, all british families should have more ettttten— families should have more children. it's— families should have more children. it's wonderful children. it's a wonderful tntnt. — children. it's a wonderful ihing- vee.— children. it's a wonderful thing. “viti lo children. it's a wonderful thing. /vi~iev thing. yes. brilliant stuff. well done to you. props for what was interview with with well done to you. props for what was excellent interview with with well done to you. props for what was excellent sheilaiv with with well done to you. props for what wasexcellent sheila fogartytith well done to you. props for what wasexcellent sheila fogarty .:h the excellent sheila fogarty. let's crack on now with our our back page baddies . peter, back page baddies. peter, briefly, if you can. well, energy crisis—

briefly, if you can. well, energy crisis is- briefly, if you can. well, energy crisis is a- �*7 i i“ well, energy crisis is a filled the tetne.— energy crisis is a filled the tetee. se— energy crisis is a filled the tetee. se t— energy crisis is a filled the pages. so i was— energy crisis is a filled the pages. so i was going to go for tettenet— pages. so i was going to go for tettenet tnt— pages. so i was going to go for national grid privatise first etttttet— national grid privatise first etttttet et— national grid privatise first supplier of lots of infrastructure profits of 4.5 ttttten. — infrastructure profits of 4.5 ttttten. t— infrastructure profits of 4.5 billion. i don't— infrastructure profits of 4.5 billion. i don't want to blame evetvtntnt— billion. i don't want to blame evetvtntnt en— billion. i don't want to blame everything on the government, but everything on the government, ttt t— everything on the government, ttt t tntnt— everything on the government, but i think we— everything on the government, but i think we need to change the but i think we need to change tne tevv— but i think we need to change the law allowing— but i think we need to change the law allowing national grid to the law allowing national grid te—tel the law allowing national gridi te—te te the law allowing national grid. te—te te tn to give some money back to us in ent. — to give some money back to us in ent. .n— to give some money back to us in tnt- .tevett— to give some money back to us in grid. .is your back- to give some money back to us in grid. .is your back page. grid. why is your back page baddie the defence secretary is it comes in light i suppose , of it comes in light i suppose, of the arabian summit zelenskyy sort of going there and now he's about to go on to japan and everything and it just all bnngs everything and it just all brings ben wallace to my mind because he went out with the begging bowl in the in 1990 asking for money and getting the biggest increase in expenditure in 30 years. i think even eettettv— in 30 years. i think even actually since— i“ 150 «evivit”~iv i think even actually since world i“ 150 «evivit”ti i think even actually since world war two. ant— actually since world war two. ant tt— actually since world war two. ant tt ee— actually since world war two. and it was meant— actually since world war two. and it was meant for us and eettettv— and it was meant for us and eettettv ttt— and it was meant for us and actually but there is a small ennt— actually but there is a small ennt tntne— actually but there is a small print thing here. _ actually but there is a small print thing here. it was it was to print thing here. it was it was te tnveet— print thing here. it was it was te tnveet tn— print thing here. it was it was to invest in next— print thing here. it was it was to invest in next generation. tnte— to invest in next generation. the e— to invest in next generation. the tte— to invest in next generation. this was his his— to invest in next generation. this was his his message to

tene— this was his his message to tene et— this was his his message to tene et tne— this was his his message to boris at the time that why he vventet— boris at the time that why he ventet ee— boris at the time that why he wanted so much— boris at the time that why he wanted so much money it was to tnveet— wanted so much money it was to tnveet tn— wanted so much money it was to tnveet tn next— wanted so much money it was to invest in next generation nttttetv— invest in next generation military capability. yeah, eteetttetv— military capability. yeah, absolutely .— military capability. yeah, absolutely . defending our people absolutely. defending our people tten— absolutely. defending our people tten ne— absolutely. defending our people tten ent— absolutely. defending our people from new and evolving threats . from new and evolving threats. ttt— from new and evolving threats. ttt tten— from new and evolving threats. but then there's— from new and evolving threats. but then there's another thing. ant— but then there's another thing. ant ttevettnt— but then there's another thing. and provoking protecting world. the and provoking protecting world. tne vent-e— and provoking protecting world. the world's most— and provoking protecting world. the world's most vulnerable. so nete— the world's most vulnerable. so nete tet— the world's most vulnerable. so nete tet tne— the world's most vulnerable. so he's got the money. and where's it he's got the money. and where's tt ett— he's got the money. and where's tt ett tetnte — he's got the money. and where's it all going? bingo— he's got the money. and where's it all going? bingo .- he's got the money. and where's it all going? “git it all going? bingo. follow the ukraine. brilliant stuff . and ukraine. brilliant stuff. and albie is meghan and harry couldn't agree more . penny says couldn't agree more. penny says regards harry and meghan. catastrophic car chase. one word balderdash . thanks for your balderdash. thanks for your company. i'm back tomorrow at nine. headliners is

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