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iiie .— the. saturday five. welcome - the. saturday five. welcome to the saturday the. saturday five.— welcome to the saturday five. iiie — welcome to the saturday five. iiie besi— welcome to the saturday five. the best saturday night takeaway you comi— the best saturday night takeaway you could order.— the best saturday night takeaway you could order. expect fiery mimos— you could order. expect fiery ioioioo ,— you could order. expect fiery debates , spicy— you could order. expect fiery debates , spicy opinions and debates, spicy opinions and a huge— debates, spicy opinions and a huge topping— debates, spicy opinions and a huge topping of_ debates, spicy opinions and a huge topping of fun every week . huge topping of fun every week. goin— huge topping of fun every week. join aiiio— huge topping of fun every week. join albie emily— huge topping of fun every week. join albie emily benjamin and myooii— join albie emily benjamin and myooii mong— join albie emily benjamin and myself along with a guest star. ionigii— myself along with a guest star. iomigiii, ii-o— myself along with a guest star. tonight, it's the— myself along with a guest star. tonight, it's the one and only ioo— tonight, it's the one and only ioo ammo. — tonight, it's the one and only leo kearse. now— tonight, it's the one and only leo kearse. \iiiii�*ii" tonight, it's the one and only leo kearse. aiziwi tonight, it's the one and only leo kearse. \aa:::aaai leo kearse. now the premise of the show is very simple. each host gets to outline their argument about their chosen topic. then we all pile in and the first starts to fly. of course , we want to know your course, we want to know your views as well. please do get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.uk. before we gbviews@gbnews.uk. but before we start tearing each other apart, it is your saturday night news with addison . on thanks to with ray addison. on thanks to all five of with ray addison. on thanks to oii iivo oi you. — with ray addison. on thanks to all five of you. here's- with ray addison. on thanks to all five of you. here's the- all five of you. here's the ioiooi— all five of you. here's the latest. phillip— all five of you. here's the latest. phillip schofield says io-o— latest. phillip schofield says io-o agreei— latest. phillip schofield says he's agreed to— latest. phillip schofield says he's agreed to step down from iiv-o— he's agreed to step down from iiv-o flagship— he's agreed to step down from itv's flagship daytime show this morning— itv's flagship daytime show this momimg mim— itv's flagship daytime show this morning with immediate effect.

itv morning with immediate effect. iiv mo— morning with immediate effect. itv has confirmed— morning with immediate effect. itv has confirmed that he won't be iommimg— itv has confirmed that he won't be returning despite two decades at be returning despite two decades oi im— be returning despite two decades oi iiio mim— be returning despite two decades oi iiio ioim .— be returning despite two decades at the helm . with— be returning despite two decades at the helm . with last at the helm. with last thursday's— at the helm. with last thursday's show being his final episode— thursday's show being his final episode .— thursday's show being his final episode . co—host_ thursday's show being his final episode . co—host holly episode. co—host holly iiiiioogiiiy— episode. co—host holly willoughby says she won't be ioovimg. — willoughby says she won't be iooving. she-o— willoughby says she won't be leaving. she's responded by ooyimg— leaving. she's responded by ooyiog moi— leaving. she's responded by saying that the— leaving. she's responded by saying that the sofa won't feel the saying that the sofa won't feel too ome— saying that the sofa won't feel the same without— saying that the sofa won't feel the same without him. mr soioiioio— the same without him. mr schofield posted on social media ooyimg— schofield posted on social media ooyiog io— schofield posted on social media saying he wanted— schofield posted on social media saying he wanted to protect the oiogiommo— saying he wanted to protect the oiogiommo io— saying he wanted to protect the programme he loved. after his iioiioi— programme he loved. after his iioiioi ,— programme he loved. after his brother , timothy— programme he loved. after his brother , timothy schofield was brother, timothy schofield was ioiioo — brother, timothy schofield was ioiioo ioi— brother, timothy schofield was toiioo ioi i2— brother, timothy schofield was jailed for 12 years— brother, timothy schofield was jailed for 12 years after being oomioioo— jailed for 12 years after being convicted of— jailed for 12 years after being convicted of child sex offences . iioiio— convicted of child sex offences . world leaders— convicted of child sex offences . world leaders have welcomed iiaioimo-o— . world leaders have welcomed ukraine's president to the g7 summi— ukraine's president to the g7 oummii im— ukraine's president to the g7 summit in japan— ukraine's president to the g7 summit in japan . good to see you summit in japan. good to see you . hom— summit in japan. good to see you . tom ore— summit in japan. good to see you . tom you?— summit in japan. good to see you . how are you? yeah,— summit in japan. good to see you . how are you? yeah, i'm- summit in japan. good to see you . how are you.7 yeah, i'm all right, thanks. volodymyr zoiomiyy— right, thanks. volodymyr zelenskyy met- a; volodymyr zelenskyy met with the uk's mimo— zelenskyy met with the uk's prime minister,— zelenskyy met with the uk's prime minister, rishi sunak , who prime minister, rishi sunak, who ooio— prime minister, rishi sunak, who ooio ite— prime minister, rishi sunak, who said the invite— prime minister, rishi sunak, who said the invite demonstrated the international— said the invite demonstrated the international community's oioooiooi— international community's steadfast support for ukraine ogoimi— steadfast support for ukraine against russian— steadfast support for ukraine against russian aggression. memoi— against russian aggression. french president emmanuel macron ooooiiioo— french president emmanuel macron described his— french president emmanuel macron described his presence as a game oiomgoi— described his presence as a game changer towards— described his presence as a game changer towards peace . well, changer towards peace. well, it's changer towards peace. well, ii-o oo— changer towards peace. well, its oo im— changer towards peace. well, it's as the white— changer towards peace. well, it's as the white house approved mom— it's as the white house approved mom io—

it's as the white house approved mom to provide— it's as the white house approved plans to provide f—16 fighter toio— plans to provide f—16 fighter toio io— plans to provide f—16 fighter jets to ukraine— plans to provide f—16 fighter jets to ukraine and to train its oiioio. — jets to ukraine and to train its pilots. president— jets to ukraine and to train its pilots. president zelenskyy has iooooiooiy— pilots. president zelenskyy has repeatedly lobbied western oiiioo— repeatedly lobbied western oiiiooioi— repeatedly lobbied western allies for air— repeatedly lobbied western allies for air support and ioiioo— allies for air support and hailed the— allies for air support and hailed the move as historic, ooyimg— hailed the move as historic, ooyiog ii— hailed the move as historic, ooyiog ii wiii— hailed the move as historic, saying it will greatly enhance uaioimo-o— saying it will greatly enhance ukraine's army— saying it will greatly enhance ukraine's army in the sky. the mom— ukraine's army in the sky. the mom oo— ukraine's army in the sky. the plans are expected to be rolled out plans are expected to be rolled ooi im— plans are expected to be rolled ooi in im— plans are expected to be rolled out in the coming— plans are expected to be rolled out in the coming weeks and monito— out in the coming weeks and moms, imi— out in the coming weeks and months, but russia says it carries colossal- months, but russia says it carries colossal risks for the iiooi— carries colossal risks for the mooi .— carries colossal risks for the mooi . iioii— carries colossal risks for the west . well labour is calling on west. well labour is calling on the west. well labour is calling on too mimo— west. well labour is calling on the prime minister to investigate- the prime minister to investigate following claims imi— investigate following claims iioiiiio— investigate following claims that the home— investigate following claims that the home secretary asked civi— that the home secretary asked civil servants— that the home secretary asked civil servants to— that the home secretary asked civil servants to help her avoid goiiimg— civil servants to help her avoid getting oooooing— civil servants to help her avoid getting speeding points on her iioomo— getting speeding points on her iioomo .— getting speeding points on her licence . according to the sunday licence. according to the sunday iimoo— licence. according to the sunday iimoo, sooiio— licence. according to the sunday times, suella braverman asked homo— times, suella braverman asked home oiiioo— times, suella braverman asked home office aides— times, suella braverman asked home office aides to organise a 1 home office aides to organise a iio— home office aides to organise a iio i— home office aides to organise a iio i driving— home office aides to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course oiioi— 1 to 1 driving awareness course oiioi sie— 1 to 1 driving awareness course oiioi oio mo— 1 to 1 driving awareness course after she was caught speeding iooi— after she was caught speeding iooi summer— after she was caught speeding iooi .— after she was caught speeding last summer. when they after she was caught speeding last summer . when they refused, last summer. when they refused, she last summer. when they refused, om iopomooiy— last summer. when they refused, she reportedly asked a political oioo— she reportedly asked a political oioo io— she reportedly asked a political oioo io tomo— she reportedly asked a political aide to help, but— she reportedly asked a political aide to help, but ultimately oooiooo— aide to help, but ultimately oooiooo io— aide to help, but ultimately decided to accept the points. a source close to— decided to accept the points. a source close to mrs. braverman ooyo— source close to mrs. braverman ooyo ite— source close to mrs. braverman says the speeding _ source close to mrs. braverman says the speeding ticket and arrangements— says the speeding ticket and arrangements for dealing with it ioooiioo— arrangements for dealing with it were reported to— arrangements for dealing with it were reported to the cabinet oiiioo— were reported to the cabinet oiiioo oi— were reported to the cabinet office at the— were reported to the cabinet office at the time . counting is office at the time. counting is oomimimg— office at the time. counting is oomimimg im— office at the time. counting is continuing in the— office at the time. counting is continuing in the local

elections— continuing in the local elections in— continuing in the local elections in northern ireland, miti— elections in northern ireland, miiii aeso— elections in northern ireland, with less than— elections in northern ireland, with less than 20 seats left to oooioio— with less than 20 seats left to declare over. _ with less than 20 seats left to declare over. sinn— with less than 20 seats left to declare over. sinn fein has made mong— declare over. sinn fein has made strong goim— declare over. sinn fein has made strong goim omi— declare over. sinn fein has made strong gains and is— declare over. sinn fein has made strong gains and is on course to become— strong gains and is on course to become im— strong gains and is on course to become the largest— strong gains and is on course to become the largest party in ioooi— become the largest party in local government, with 139 councillors.— local government, with 139 councillors. so _ local government, with 139 councillors. so far. the dup ooiiomiy— councillors. so far. the dup currently has— councillors. so far. the dup currently has 118— councillors. so far. the dup currently has 118 and the aiiiomo— currently has 118 and the alliance party- currently has 118 and the alliance party 65. it's the iiioi— alliance party 65. it's the first electoral— alliance party 65. it's the first electoral test for the ooiiioo— first electoral test for the parties since— first electoral test for the parties since last year's oooomiiy— parties since last year's assembly elections. also takes oiooo— assembly elections. also takes oiooo ogoimi— assembly elections. also takes place against the— assembly elections. also takes place against the backdrop of the stormont_ place against the backdrop of the stormont stalemate and a soooooi— the stormont stalemate and a ooooooi too— the stormont stalemate and a suspect has now— the stormont stalemate and a suspect has now been arrested oiioi— suspect has now been arrested oiioi oooiimg— suspect has now been arrested after scaling the— suspect has now been arrested after scaling the front of the boc— after scaling the front of the ooc imiioimg— after scaling the front of the bbc building in— after scaling the front of the bbc building in central london in oioiooi— bbc building in central london in protest against— bbc building in central london in protest against a historic oioioo— in protest against a historic statue earlier— in protest against a historic statue earlier on. the man had boom— statue earlier on. the man had been seen hammering at the prospero— been seen hammering at the iioopoio omi— been seen hammering at the prospero and ariel statue to mimi— prospero and ariel statue to which too— prospero and ariel statue to which has been— prospero and ariel statue to which has been on display since iooo. — which has been on display since iooo. stormy— which has been on display since 1933. shortly after— which has been on display since 1933. shortly after 6 pm. he was arrested— 1933. shortly after 6 pm. he was arrested on— 1933. shortly after 6 pm. he was arrested on suspicion of oiimimoi— was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and going equipped-— criminal damage and going equipped. campaigners have been coming— equipped. campaigners have been ooiiimg ioi— equipped. campaigners have been ooiiing ioi ite— equipped. campaigners have been calling for the statues removal as calling for the statues removal oo iio— calling for the statues removal as its sculptor— calling for the statues removal as its sculptor eric gill oomiiioo— as its sculptor eric gill admitted in— as its sculptor eric gill admitted in his diaries that he too— admitted in his diaries that he too ooxooiiy— admitted in his diaries that he

had sexually abused his ooogiiioio— had sexually abused his ooogiiioio .— had sexually abused his daughters . we're on tv online , daughters. we're on tv online, on ooii— daughters. we're on tv online, on ooii iooio— daughters. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and— daughters. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune in to im— on dab+ radio and on tune in to iiio io— on dab+ radio and on tune in to iiis is es— on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news.— on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to the . soioiooy— this is gb news. back now to the . soioiooy iivo. — . saturday five. yos— . saturday five. yes it's - . saturday five. yes it's saturday night . saturday five. _ yes it's saturday night and you are yes it's saturday night and you mim— yes it's saturday night and you miiii its— yes it's saturday night and you are with the saturday five. i'm imiiy— are with the saturday five. i'm imiiy comer— are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and— are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and i— are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and i can- are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and i can promise you that you are in for a very lively hour. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. now, then, darren is going to give us his hot take on philip schofield's departure from itv's this morning. this is breaking news. so off you go, darren, your. yes, well, that's it, ioias— your. yes, well, that's it, ioias .— your. yes, well, that's it, ioias . its— your. yes, well, that's it, folks . the one- ” yes, well, that's it, folks . the one time king of folks. the one time king of ooyiimo— folks. the one time king of ooyiimo ioiiy— folks. the one time king of daytime telly has lost his crown. phillip— daytime telly has lost his crown. phillip schofield is out at crown. phillip schofield is out oi iiis— crown. phillip schofield is out at this morning— crown. phillip schofield is out at this morning and presumably iiv-s— at this morning and presumably iiv-s doming— at this morning and presumably itv's dancing on— at this morning and presumably itv's dancing on ice, too . he'll itv's dancing on ice, too. he'll tom— itv's dancing on ice, too. he'll tom ooioom— itv's dancing on ice, too. he'll join gordon the— itv's dancing on ice, too. he'll join gordon the gopher in tv ioiiiomom— join gordon the gopher in tv ioiiiomom .— join gordon the gopher in tv retirement . the— join gordon the gopher in tv retirement . the bombshell retirement. the bombshell announcement— retirement. the bombshell announcement comes just one day

oiioi— announcement comes just one day oiioi ais— announcement comes just one day after his brother— announcement comes just one day after his brother ,_ announcement comes just one day after his brother , timothy after his brother, timothy soioiioio— after his brother, timothy schofield was _ after his brother, timothy schofield was sentenced to 12 years— schofield was sentenced to 12 mos im— schofield was sentenced to 12 mom in prison— schofield was sentenced to 12 years in prison for 11 counts of simi— years in prison for 11 counts of shit so— years in prison for 11 counts of child sex offences— years in prison for 11 counts of child sex offences . as schofield child sex offences. as schofield announced he _ child sex offences. as schofield announced he was— child sex offences. as schofield announced he was stepping down iiom— announced he was stepping down iiom iiv-s— announced he was stepping down from itv's this— announced he was stepping down from itv's this morning after isom— from itv's this morning after more than 20— from itv's this morning after more than 20 years. in a sioiomom— more than 20 years. in a statement that- more than 20 years. in a statement that said, throughout my im— statement that said, throughout my in w,— statement that said, throughout my career in tv, including the very— my career in tv, including the very oiiiisoii— my career in tv, including the very difficult last— my career in tv, including the very difficult last few days , very difficult last few days, ivo— very difficult last few days, i-vo oimoys— very difficult last few days, i've always done my best to be iomomoiio— i've always done my best to be honourable and— i've always done my best to be honourable and kind. i understand— honourable and kind. i understand that itv has decided the understand that itv has decided iiie ememi— understand that itv has decided the current situation can't go omi— the current situation can't go omi i— the current situation can't go on, and i want— the current situation can't go on, and i want to— the current situation can't go on, and i want to do what i can to on, and i want to do what i can io moieei— on, and i want to do what i can to oioieei ite— on, and i want to do what i can to protect the show— on, and i want to do what i can to protect the show that i love. so to protect the show that i love. so i— to protect the show that i love. so i move— to protect the show that i love. so i have agreed— to protect the show that i love. so i have agreed to step down mom— so i have agreed to step down iiom mis— so i have agreed to step down from this morning— so i have agreed to step down from this morning with immediate eiieei— from this morning with immediate eiieei im— from this morning with immediate eiieei im ite— from this morning with immediate effect in the hope— from this morning with immediate effect in the hope that the show can move forward— effect in the hope that the show can move forward to a bright mime.— can move forward to a bright mime. io— can move forward to a bright future. i'd like— can move forward to a bright future. i'd like to— can move forward to a bright future. i'd like to thank eeonyne— future. i'd like to thank everyone who- future. i'd like to thank everyone who has supported me, esoeeioiiy— everyone who has supported me, esoeeioiiy mis— everyone who has supported me, especially this morning's omozing— especially this morning's amazing viewers, and i'll see you— amazing viewers, and i'll see you on— amazing viewers, and i'll see you oii ion— amazing viewers, and i'll see you all for the— amazing viewers, and i'll see you all for the soap awards next monon— you all for the soap awards next monin. mom,— you all for the soap awards next monin. non, oi— you all for the soap awards next month. now, of course , schofield month. now, of course, schofield oni— month. now, of course, schofield ono iiiiioogniy— month. now, of course, schofield and willoughby were said to be the and willoughby were said to be one besi— and willoughby were said to be one iesi oi— and willoughby were said to be the best of friends in separable. - the best of friends in separable. but in recent weeks, inein— separable. but in recent weeks, inein on— separable. but in recent weeks, inein on screen— separable. but in recent weeks, their on screen chemistry has ioero— their on screen chemistry has looked about— their on screen chemistry has looked about as— their on screen chemistry has looked about as comfortable as a

jeremy— looked about as comfortable as a geiemy pomon— looked about as comfortable as a jeremy paxman interview . it's jeremy paxman interview. it's been— jeremy paxman interview. it's been frostier_ jeremy paxman interview. it's been frostier than a pack of nosiies— been frostier than a pack of nosiies in— been frostier than a pack of frosties in a— been frostier than a pack of frosties in a freezer. it's been as frosties in a freezer. it's been os ionmeo— frosties in a freezer. it's been os ionmeo os— frosties in a freezer. it's been as tortured as a— frosties in a freezer. it's been as tortured as a trip to the guantanamo— as tortured as a trip to the guantanamo bay . there was more guantanamo bay. there was more onimoiion— guantanamo bay. there was more onimoiion inom — guantanamo bay. there was more animation from a— guantanamo bay. there was more animation from a robot that they had animation from a robot that they not on— animation from a robot that they not on ine— animation from a robot that they had on the show— animation from a robot that they had on the show last week than inis— had on the show last week than inis iv— had on the show last week than inis iv ono. — had on the show last week than this tv duo. you— had on the show last week than this tv duo. you see, schofield ioni— this tv duo. you see, schofield ion is— this tv duo. you see, schofield ion is is— this tv duo. you see, schofield ion is is so— this tv duo. you see, schofield four fs is so bad— this tv duo. you see, schofield four fs is so bad that even the movies— four fs is so bad that even the luvvies didn't— four fs is so bad that even the luvvies didn't stand by him. no one came out to— luvvies didn't stand by him. no one came out to support him. no nos— one came out to support him. no one has defended— one came out to support him. no one has defended him . oliver one has defended him. oliver nonoen— one has defended him. oliver nonoen ine— one has defended him. oliver dowden, the deputy prime iiinisien— dowden, the deputy prime minister standing in for rishi smok— minister standing in for rishi sonoa imme— minister standing in for rishi sunak prime minister's questions this sunak prime minister's questions inis meek— sunak prime minister's questions inis neea ,— sunak prime minister's questions this week , described sir keir this week, described sir keir sionmen— this week, described sir keir starmer and— this week, described sir keir starmer and his— this week, described sir keir starmer and his deputy angela iooynen— starmer and his deputy angela aoynen os— starmer and his deputy angela noynen os ine— starmer and his deputy angela rayner, as the phil and holly of miiisn— rayner, as the phil and holly of british politics. _ rayner, as the phil and holly of british politics. all lovey gooey— british politics. all lovey oovey on— british politics. all lovey dovey on the— british politics. all lovey dovey on the surface. the turn it dovey on the surface. the turn ii on — dovey on the surface. the turn ii on ion— dovey on the surface. the turn ii on ion ine — dovey on the surface. the turn it on for the cameras, but as soon as they're _ it on for the cameras, but as soon as they're off, it's a oiiieneni— soon as they're off, it's a different story. - soon as they're off, it's a different story. they're at each omen-s— different story. they're at each other's throats— different story. they're at each other's throats ._ different story. they're at each other's throats . it's brutal, other's throats. it's brutal, imi— other's throats. it's brutal, imi pretty— other's throats. it's brutal, but pretty accurate. so why has it but pretty accurate. so why has ii iern— but pretty accurate. so why has it taken schofield _ but pretty accurate. so why has it taken schofield so long, you migni— it taken schofield so long, you migni osm— it taken schofield so long, you migni osa e— it taken schofield so long, you might ask .7 word— it taken schofield so long, you might ask .7 word has it that some might ask? word has it that some at might ask? word has it that some oi iiv— might ask? word has it that some oi iiv oe— might ask? word has it that some at itv are especially jubilant oioni— at itv are especially jubilant about schofield's departure. if you— about schofield's departure. if you osm— about schofield's departure. if you osa me— about schofield's departure. if you ask me, he's— about schofield's departure. if

you ask me, he's put holly iiiiioogniy— you ask me, he's put holly willoughby through an awkward osyenoonomo— willoughby through an awkward psychodrama that was clearly nnienoiie— psychodrama that was clearly untenable and— psychodrama that was clearly untenable and impossible to oeieno.— untenable and impossible to oeieno. ano— untenable and impossible to defend. and schofield and his on niie— defend. and schofield and his on screen wife faced— defend. and schofield and his on screen wife faced criticism in seoiemien— screen wife faced criticism in september last— screen wife faced criticism in september last year over claims inoi— september last year over claims no iney— september last year over claims that they skipped _ september last year over claims that they skipped the queue for our that they skipped the queue for ioie— that they skipped the queue for our late queen's— that they skipped the queue for our late queen's lying in state nniie— our late queen's lying in state while attending— our late queen's lying in state while attending as media members to while attending as media members io iiim— while attending as media members io iiim o— while attending as media members to film a segment— while attending as media members to film a segment for this morning — to film a segment for this moming. so— to film a segment for this morning. so what on earth was iiiiioogniy— morning. so what on earth was willoughby meant to say when it was willoughby meant to say when it neveoieo— willoughby meant to say when it was revealed that— willoughby meant to say when it was revealed that phillip schofield's— was revealed that phillip schofield's brother told the tv nosi— schofield's brother told the tv nosi oi— schofield's brother told the tv host of sexual— schofield's brother told the tv host of sexual acts with a child in my— host of sexual acts with a child in my nem— host of sexual acts with a child in my view, this— host of sexual acts with a child in my view, this was all inevitable. _ in my view, this was all inevitable. itv- in my view, this was all inevitable. itv had to part ways min— inevitable. itv had to part ways niin inein— inevitable. itv had to part ways with their silver— inevitable. itv had to part ways with their silver surfer star oni— with their silver surfer star one son— with their silver surfer star ono eoii ii— with their silver surfer star and call it quits after viewing iigmes— and call it quits after viewing iigmes iegon— and call it quits after viewing figures began to— and call it quits after viewing figures began to tank. and call it quits after viewing figures began to tank . but let's figures began to tank. but let's see figures began to tank. but let's nnoi— figures began to tank. but let's nnoi ine— figures began to tank. but let's see what the panel think is this the see what the panel think is this one eno— see what the panel think is this one end oi— see what the panel think is this the end of the— see what the panel think is this the end of the story? is there io— the end of the story? is there more to come— the end of the story? is there more to come out? will we ever knowi— more to come out? will we ever anone ano— more to come out? will we ever know? and will— more to come out? will we ever know? and will itv— more to come out? will we ever know? and will itv staffers be keeping— know? and will itv staffers be keeping goieie— know? and will itv staffers be keeping quiet? let me know what you inim— keeping quiet? let me know what you inina os— keeping quiet? let me know what you think as well. _ keeping quiet? let me know what you think as well. gb views gb mews. — you think as well. gb views gb mews. iii— you think as well. gb views gb news. .uk benjamin, you were gone— news. .uk benjamin, you were gniie o— news. .uk benjamin, you were goiie o ion— news. .uk benjamin, you were quite o ion oi— news. .uk benjamin, you were

quite a fan of phillip schofield . no— quite a fan of phillip schofield . no you— quite a fan of phillip schofield . no you inim— quite a fan of phillip schofield . do you think this is going to ion — . do you think this is going to norm in— . do you think this is going to harm his reputation? well look, i harm his reputation? well look, i inim— harm his reputation? well look, iinina noving— harm his reputation? well look, i think having to— harm his reputation? well look, i think having to leave your iiogsnio— i think having to leave your flagship programme of over 20 yeons— flagship programme of over 20 yeons eieoniy— flagship programme of over 20 years clearly isn't— flagship programme of over 20 years clearly isn't going to be gneoi— years clearly isn't going to be gneoi — years clearly isn't going to be great news. and— years clearly isn't going to be great news. and if- years clearly isn't going to be great news. ' a: �*" years clearly isn't going to be great news. ' �*" years clearly isn't going to be great news. and if you read out the statement, you know, it doesn't say, i decided to end it. i decided to move on. it says they said it couldn't go along. so clearly he has been pushed out , not chosen to go. pushed out, not chosen to go. but look, when he came out as gay, what, maybe two years ago now on that sofa, i thought that was a really powerful moment. you know, we sometimes forget andifs you know, we sometimes forget and it's a slightly different topic, but there were a lot of people in this country who are in their 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s who've never told anyone they're 93v- who've never told anyone they're gay. and thought he was gay. and i thought he was a great for that. and i'm great bastion for that. and i'm sorry, think there's sorry, but i think there's a level homophobia in the level of homophobia in the vengeance shown towards him in the shown towards the vitriol shown towards phillip do you phillip schofield emily, do you accept that? do you think it's ioeeo— accept that? do you think it's ioeeo niin— ” m7 do you think it's laced with homophobia, the eniiieism — laced with homophobia, the criticism _ no .l laced with homophobia, the criticism—no . i| laced with homophobia, the- criticism_no . i mean, criticism and. well, no. i mean, i'm racking my mind now to think back to when he announced that

he on television , he was gay on television, because i remember at the time thinking poor he thinking of his poor wife, he got married a 1993. he was got married to a 1993. he was with her for all— got married to a 1993. he was with her for all that- gin : it) he was with her for all that time. i ion.— with her for all that time. i ieii. you— with her for all that time. i felt, you know,— with her for all that time. i felt, you know, it's- with her for all that time. felt, you know, it's pretty harsh to find out that your husband has been living a double life or has had these feelings for all of these many years . you for all of these many years. you don't just wake up one day and become gay. yes, of course. it can be a struggle to come out. but many people in the media and in come out. there in showbiz have come out. there are openly homosexual are many openly homosexual people in the media and showbiz . i mean, let's look at our panel here. i mean, you know, it's hard it's hard to come out, but it's hardly groundbreaking to come out as gay anymore. it simply isn't. wait till my wife hears this . yeah, that's a great hears this. yeah, that's a great nomi— hears this. yeah, that's a great ooini. men— hears this. yeah, that's a great point. even in— hears this. yeah, that's a great point. even in the— yeah, that's a great point. even in the 90s, you knowi— point. even in the 90s, you anone ion— point. even in the 90s, you know? fair enough. you could. voo— know? fair enough. you could. you some— know? fair enough. you could. you come soy— know? fair enough. you could. you could say that somebody in the you could say that somebody in one in— you could say that somebody in one in ine— you could say that somebody in the in the 50s— you could say that somebody in the in the 50s and— you could say that somebody in the in the 50s and 60s 70s might momy— the in the 50s and 60s 70s might momy o— the in the 50s and 60s 70s might marry a woman to— the in the 50s and 60s 70s might marry a woman to cover up their goyness— marry a woman to cover up their goyness on— marry a woman to cover up their gayness or whatever. but i mean it gayness or whatever. but i mean ii os— gayness or whatever. but i mean ii moo.— gayness or whatever. but i mean ii isos- ii— gayness or whatever. but i mean it was 1993. it wasn't a ponieoiony— it was 1993. it wasn't a particularly homophobic time in onion.— particularly homophobic time in

miioin. i— particularly homophobic time in britain. i usually— particularly homophobic time in britain. i usually liberal time in nos,— britain. i usually liberal time in ms yon— britain. i usually liberal time in 1993, you weren't even born onene— in 1993, you weren't even born inene n0,— in 1993, you weren't even born inene no, i— in 1993, you weren't even born then? no, i wasn't— in 1993, you weren't even born then? no, i wasn't born right . then? no, i wasn't born right. noi— then? no, i wasn't born right. not i— then? no, i wasn't born right. not i nove— then? no, i wasn't born right. but i have read— then? no, i wasn't born right. but i have read the— then? no, i wasn't born right. but i have read the history books, leo and especially the gay history books. they talk about a lot of the homophobia that was going on in the 80s and 90s. and of course, if it wasn't a homophobic time. philip schofield probably would have come don't think come out then. so i don't think we can be saying no. think we can be saying no. i think that wasn't wasn't a that was it wasn't wasn't a homophobia. there are loads of high loads high high profile loads of high profile celebrities. many of profile gay celebrities. many of them careers. do you them had their careers. do you accept benjamin's— them had their careers. do you accept benjamin's point- ” do you accept benjamin's point that oeinoiiy— accept benjamin's point that oeinoiiy o— accept benjamin's point that actually a lot— accept benjamin's point that actually a lot of— accept benjamin's point that actually a lot of the criticism oni— actually a lot of the criticism and attention _ actually a lot of the criticism and attention phillip and attention around phillip senoiieio— and attention around phillip schofield particular, schofield in particular, esoeeioiiy— especially with this current, vou— especially with this current,| yon—inoi-s you know, controversy that's going— you know, controversy that's going-in— you know, controversy that's goinglin ine— you know, controversy that's going in the background, is going on in the background, is oeinoiiy— going on in the background, is actually homophobia ? actually laced in homophobia? no, actually laced in homophobia? annot— actually laced in homophobia? moloi mi.— actually laced in homophobia? no,-at all. and— actually laced in homophobia? no,-at all. and i— actually laced in homophobia? no,-at all. and i think- no, not at all. and i think actually this could be a great career booster for philip because i know the bbc are looking to present because i know the bbc are lookof] to present because i know the bbc are lookof the to present because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. to present because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. yeah to present because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. yeah well,tsent because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. yeah well, |,!i'il because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. yeah well, i, it top of the pops. yeah well, i, i used to love that programme. i, ihave used to love that programme. i, i have to be honest. you know, your— i have to be honest. you know, your reo— i have to be honest. you know, your leo clueless, right? if you think you're clueless, if you sort of an attempt at a nickname. is that benjamin mnemoni— nickname. is that benjamin noiiemonn .— nickname. is that benjamin butterworth . yeah.- " f is that benjamin butterworth . yeah. i mean, it's

butterworth. yeah. i mean, it's an actor. you're— butterworth. yeah. i mean, it's an actor. you're literally named as an actor. you're literally named os—ono— an actor. you're literally named os—ono yon-re- an actor. you're literally namedi as_and you're trying as a nickname and you're trying to as a nickname and you're trying io give— as a nickname and you're trying io give me— as a nickname and you're trying to give me one— as a nickname and you're trying to give me one, right? the truth is, to give me one, right? the truth is. i— to give me one, right? the truth is. i inim— to give me one, right? the truth is, i think that's complete nonsense. you know, the nonsense. you know, in the 1990s, to be gay 1990s, it was illegal to be gay in the civil service. it in work in the civil service. it was illegal to be gay and work in the armed forces. you know, even michael hadn't come even george michael hadn't come out i think out in 1993, mate. so i think everybody knew. and turned everybody knew. and it turned out everybody knew. and it turned our-vie— everybody knew. and it turned our-vie noo- everybody knew. and it turned out-wife had been- out that his wife had been oivionsiy— out that his wife had been obviously and— out that his wife had been obviously and we all said it's soo. — obviously and we all said it's soo. visit.— obviously and we all said it's sad. well, there's- obviously and we all said it's sad. well, there's a- obviously and we all said it's sad. well, there's a surprise. celebrate. no, it's quite- sad. celebrate. no, it's quite sad, ine— celebrate. no, it's quite sad, the situation _ celebrate. no, it's quite sad, the situation for— celebrate. no, it's quite sad, the situation for their family. noi— the situation for their family. nor—next.- the situation for their family. i nor—next. ii-s but anyway, folks, up next, it's albie. going to talk albie. and he's going to talk about asylum seekers who about why asylum seekers who come should work and come to the uk should work and pay come to the uk should work and pay their own way . here we go. pay their own way. here we go. i'll be so some people might find this controversial , but find this controversial, but they really shouldn't . we should they really shouldn't. we should be letting asylum— they really shouldn't. we should be letting asylum seekers- ”cacao :" e we should be letting asylum seekers work vniisi— be letting asylum seekers work vniisi ineir— be letting asylum seekers work whilst their claims are being processed.— whilst their claims are being processed. we've got 1.1 million vacancies in the— processed. we've got 1.1 million vacancies in the united kingdom as vacancies in the united kingdom os oi— vacancies in the united kingdom os oi ioioy— vacancies in the united kingdom as of today. we've— vacancies in the united kingdom as of today. we've got many jobs inor— as of today. we've got many jobs inoi ionis— as of today. we've got many jobs that brits simply— as of today. we've got many jobs that brits simply won't do, non-i— that brits simply won't do, von-i oo— that brits simply won't do, won't do many— that brits simply won't do, won't do many of these migrants are won't do many of these migrants voming— won't do many of these migrants are working illegally anyway, or iney-re— are working illegally anyway, or iney-re being— are working illegally anyway, or they're being driven to crime . they're being driven to crime. gm,— they're being driven to crime. gm, vny— they're being driven to crime. gm, vny ton-i— they're being driven to crime. um, why don't we just make the mosi— um, why don't we just make the mosi oi— um, why don't we just make the mosi oi o—

um, why don't we just make the mosi oi o noo— um, why don't we just make the most of a bad situation? let inem — most of a bad situation? let inem ging— most of a bad situation? let inem ping our— most of a bad situation? let them plug our employment gaps so that them plug our employment gaps so inoi ne— them plug our employment gaps so inoi we so— them plug our employment gaps so inoi we so inor— them plug our employment gaps so that we so that we're— them plug our employment gaps so that we so that we're not sniiering— that we so that we're not suffering from - that we so that we're not suffering from job losses in some area and— suffering from job losses in some area and also allow the migronis— some area and also allow the migronis io— some area and also allow the migrants to earn— some area and also allow the migrants to earn their own keep. so migrants to earn their own keep. so iney-re— migrants to earn their own keep. so iney-re noi— migrants to earn their own keep. so they're not relying on the iovpoyer. — so they're not relying on the iovpoyer. ne— so they're not relying on the taxpayer. we pay £2.1 billion a yeor— taxpayer. we pay £2.1 billion a yeor nonsing— taxpayer. we pay £2.1 billion a year housing them on hotels and giving— year housing them on hotels and giving mem— year housing them on hotels and giving them takeaways . why not giving them takeaways. why not let giving them takeaways. why not iei inem— giving them takeaways. why not let them work— giving them takeaways. why not let them work so— giving them takeaways. why not let them work so they can pay ineir— let them work so they can pay men on— let them work so they can pay ineir voy— let them work so they can pay their own way so— let them work so they can pay their own way so it reduces the inten— their own way so it reduces the burden on— their own way so it reduces the burden on the— their own way so it reduces the burden on the taxpayer ? yeah. burden on the taxpayer? yeah. ano— burden on the taxpayer? yeah. ano oiso— burden on the taxpayer? yeah. ano oiso pings— burden on the taxpayer? yeah. and also plugs their employment gaps- — and also plugs their employment goos. ano— and also plugs their employment gaps. and besides— and also plugs their employment gaps. and besides , as gaps. and besides, as i mentioned,— gaps. and besides, as i mentioned, many of them are working— mentioned, many of them are working illegally— mentioned, many of them are working illegally anyway . so working illegally anyway. so imiiy— working illegally anyway. so imiiy, yore— working illegally anyway. so imiiy, yore o— working illegally anyway. so emily, you're a low tax small snore— emily, you're a low tax small state conservative who believes geome— state conservative who believes people snonio— state conservative who believes people should be— state conservative who believes people should be self—reliant . people should be self—reliant. oni— people should be self—reliant. nni vny— people should be self—reliant. nni nny is— people should be self—reliant. nni nny is ii— people should be self—reliant. but why is it that— people should be self—reliant. but why is it that we're not oiioning— but why is it that we're not allowing these— but why is it that we're not allowing these asylum seekers to be allowing these asylum seekers to ie seri— allowing these asylum seekers to be self reliant— allowing these asylum seekers to be self reliant when they're neree — be self reliant when they're here? well,— be self reliant when they're here? ennis f be self reliant when they're here? iii?" e here? well, because i don't believe that they would be self reliant. firstly, i think your strongest argument is that a lot of them are already working illegally. i that's true. of them are already working illegawhy that's true. mark why our home affairs editor here news did a piece here at the gb news did a piece on that. a report on that earlier. and many people are who

are staying in hotels also are staying in hotels are also working like working in things like car washes other small washes and other small businesses they're able businesses where they're able to get without having get away with it without having a to work. but i think a visa to work. but i think there's a strong argument to say that this would be a massive pull factor if anyone can simply hop onto a dinghy , come over to hop onto a dinghy, come over to this country and be allowed to work, then that makes an absolute joke of our visa system at the moment. why would you even bother? at the moment iney-re— even bother? at the moment they're homing— even bother? at the moment they're hopping onto- " ”7’ at the moment they're hopping onto a dinghy oni— they're hopping onto a dinghy ono iney-re— they're hopping onto a dinghy and they're having all of their iiiis— and they're having all of their iiiis noio— and they're having all of their bills paid for. _ and they're having all of their bills paid for. they're having iooo— bills paid for. they're having moo-ion— bills paid for. they're having food-for, they're- bills paid for. they're having food for, they're getting food paid for, they're getting ieronoys— food paid for, they're getting takeaways, staying in takeaways, they're staying in nones— takeaways, they're staying ini hotels._already hotels. so is that not already a onu— hotels. so is that not already a gnu-ano— hotels. so is that not already a gnu-ami oii— hotels. so is that not already a pull-and all this- hotels. so is that not already a pull and all this would pull factor? and all this would do pull factor? and all this would to is— pull factor? and all this would to is meon— pull factor? and all this would do is mean that— pull factor? and all this would do is mean that they're paying ineir—ii-s-oil their own way. so it's less of a inten— their own way. so it's less of a burden on— their own way. so it's less of a burden on the— their own way. so it's less of a burden on the taxpayer. but why nonin— burden on the taxpayer. but why nonio yon— burden on the taxpayer. but why nonio you even— burden on the taxpayer. but why would you even bother applying for a visa if it the case for a visa if it was the case that if you arrived illegally, you'd accommodation you'd be put up in accommodation and be allowed to work and then also be allowed to work and then also be allowed to work and presumably also have access to the two benefit system and presumably also have access to the a two benefit system and presumably also have access to the a lot wo benefit system and presumably also have access to the a lot of benefit system and presumably also have access to the a lot of these it system and presumably also have access to the a lot of these jobs;tem because a lot of these jobs wouldn't be enough to make to be able to afford. but they already have that. they already have all of that. they already nove— have all of that. they already nove oii— have all of that. they already nove oii oi— have all of that. they already have all of that— they already have all of that anyway.

nentomin— have all of that anyway. benjamin would be have all of that anyway. benjamin wouldlbe it be benjamin would it be would it be emer— benjamin would it be would it be emei io— benjamin would it be would it be cruel to allow— benjamin would it be would it be cruel to allow these asylum seeears— cruel to allow these asylum seekers-work— cruel to allow these asylum seekers-work in- cruel to allow these asylum seekers work in the uk for seekers to work in the uk for ine— seekers to work in the uk for one ino— seekers to work in the uk for one two yeors— seekers to work in the uk for the two years that it takes for men— the two years that it takes for men eioims— the two years that it takes for their claims-be— the two years that it takes for their claims be processed, their claims to be processed, iniegroie — their claims to be processed, integrate - society- their claims to be processed, integrate society ? arnie integrate into society? arnie ano— integrate into society? arnie ami-ineyre- integrate into society? arnie and they're denied, send and then if they're denied, send inem— and then if they're denied, send inem io— and then if they're denied, send inem io-or— and then if they're denied, send them to -or back- and then if they're denied, send them to -or back to- and then if they're denied, send them to or back to their them to rwanda or back to their eonniry— them to rwanda or back to their eonnrrylorigine— them to rwanda or back to their country-origin?-i- them to rwanda or back to their country origin? i think country of origin? well, i think it's absolutely— country of origin? well, i think it's absolutely essential that iney— it's absolutely essential that iney-inis— it's absolutely essential that they this country . we they work in this country. we nove— they work in this country. we nove on— they work in this country. we have an economy— they work in this country. we have an economy for which seios— have an economy for which sectors like _ have an economy for which sectors like health care , like sectors like health care, like care homes, like— sectors like health care, like care homes, like parts of nosoiioiiry,— care homes, like parts of hospitality, where it is on its knees— hospitality, where it is on its knees because _ hospitality, where it is on its knees because there are not geome— knees because there are not people io— knees because there are not people ro oo— knees because there are not people to do the— knees because there are not people to do the jobs. look at innin— people to do the jobs. look at irnii grieving— people to do the jobs. look at fruit picking as— people to do the jobs. look at fruit picking as another example nnere— fruit picking as another example nnere ine— fruit picking as another example where the ability— fruit picking as another example where the ability to make a groin— where the ability to make a nroiii in— where the ability to make a profit in that— where the ability to make a profit in that industry has gone inrongn— profit in that industry has gone inrongn-iioor— profit in that industry has gone through floor because the through the floor because the immigronis— through the floor because the immigrants coming over immigrants aren't coming over nee.— immigrants aren't coming over nee-yon— immigrants aren't coming over nerelyon-noni- immigrants aren't coming over here. you want asylum here. so you just want asylum seeaes— here. so you just want asylum seeears io— here. so you just want asylum seekers to work— here. so you just want asylum seekers to work on the fruit iieiose— seekers to work on the fruit fields? -yeah,- seekers to work on the fruit- fields? -yeah,-some fields? well, yeah, i do. some of fields? well, yeah, i do. some oi item— fields? well, yeah, i do. some oi inem vero— fields? well, yeah, i do. some of them were doctors, engineers, master engineers, can't master engineers, but they can't work those things. work as any of those things. and what i think that and what iathink that they and what i think is that they snonio— and what i think is that they snonio-ine— and what i think is that they should-the right- and what i think is that they should the right to work so should have the right to work so inor— should have the right to work so inoi iney— should have the right to work so that they contribute to our that they can contribute to our soeieiy— that they can contribute to our soeieiy so— that they can contribute to our society so that— that they can contribute to our society so that they're not a groin— society so that they're not a mom on— society so that they're not a drain on public— society so that they're not a drain on public funds, so that iney-re— drain on public funds, so that iney-re-ano- drain on public funds, so that. they're-and-know they're invested. and you know nnoie— they're invested. and you know nnoie-inese- they're invested. and you know what? these countries, what? some of these countries, iiae— what? some of these countries, iiae ine— what? some of these countries, like the yemen— what? some of these countries, like the yemen afghanistan, like the yemen or afghanistan, isomo— like the yemen or afghanistan,. 1,890%_accepted 1,890% of them will be accepted --vet_ 1,890% of them will be accepted .yei-ne-re— 1,890% of them will be accepted .-yet-we're saying- . and yet what we're saying rigni— . and yet what we're saying agni-is—

. and yet what we're saying right-is we're- . and yet what we're saying right is we're going to pay right now is we're going to pay you— right now is we're going to pay you-a— right now is we're going to pay yon-o neea— right now is we're going to pay you-a week, which- right now is we're going to pay you a week, which an you £50 a week, which is an inereoiiiy— you £50 a week, which is an incredibly amount of money incredibly small amount of money incredibly small amount of money in-nioee. — incredibly small amount of money in-nioee. oni— incredibly small amount of money in -place. but we're - in the first place. but we're going—aso- in the first place. but we're going—ase o- in the first place. but we're. going—£50 a week in the first place. but we're- going_£50 a week for going to pay you £50 a week for ino— going to pay you £50 a week for ino yeors— going to pay you £50 a week for two yeors oni— going to pay you £50 a week for two years and spend thousands of pounds— two years and spend thousands of pounds on— two years and spend thousands of pounds on iegoi— two years and spend thousands of pounds on legal fees. you pounds on legal fees. and you eon-i— pounds on legal fees. and you eon-ilonyining— pounds on legal fees. and you can't-anything-for. pounds on legal fees. and you can't anything for us. can't do anything useful for us. non— can't do anything useful for us. non-ine— can't do anything useful for us. non-one besi— can't do anything useful for us. how the best answer? how is that the best answer? non— how is that the best answer? how nonin— how is that the best answer? how would-left— how is that the best answer? how would-left have- how is that the best answer? how would left have changed how would the left have changed now? left to used to be now? the left used to used to be about working class about protecting working class jobs. they want untapped low jobs. now they want untapped low wage jobs market where unlimited labour can flood across the channel and i think that the jobs press wages down for working men don't believe in borders. albie and benjamin anionnon— borders. albie and benjamin rhiannon someone- : albie and benjamin rhiannon someone who gets on sneiio— rhiannon someone who gets on suella braverman— rhiannon someone who gets on suella braverman sure does. arriving— suella braverman sure does. arriving over— suella braverman sure does. arriving over and immediately has access to _ arriving over and immediately has access to the— arriving over and immediately has access to the labour market. oni— has access to the labour market. in win— has access to the labour market. on no on— has access to the labour market. but what an absolute joke. iney-re— but what an absolute joke. they're working illegally onynoy. — they're working illegally onynoy. as— they're working illegally anyway. ' they're working illegally anyway. as you mentioned, they're working illegally. not all them. well, many of them all of them. well, many of them are. and have something that are. and we have something that the , many them, the government, many of them, are on. i'm are working illegally on. i'm sorry. makes an absolute sorry. it makes an absolute joke of sorry. it makes an absolute joke oi—sysiem.- sorry. it makes an absolute joke oi—sysiem. ii- sorry. it makes an absolute joke of_system. it would| of our asylum system. it would mer—ier- make an absolute joke of our viso— make an absolute joke of our sysiem— make an absolute joke of our visa system. understand your visa system. i understand your economic argument, i think economic argument, but i think it economic argument, but i think ii-ieeonse— economic argument, but i think it-because these- economic argument, but i think it because these people it is weak because these people nonri— it is weak because these people nonio mosiiy— it is weak because these people would mostly be— it is weak because these people would mostly be working in very menioi— would mostly be working in very

menial—wouldn't- menial jobs and it wouldn't be enongn— enough to support their accommodation, it wouldn't be enongn— accommodation, it wouldn't be enough-summi— accommodation, it wouldn't be enough support, to make up enough to support, to make up for enough to support, to make up ion-sienn— enough to support, to make up ion-seem on- enough to support, to make up. for- spent on - nhs, for what they spent on the nhs, eniioren-s— for what they spent on the nhs, children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 children's schooling, etcetera. zi azi— children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 £2.1 billion— children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 £2.1 billion a— children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 £2.1 billion a year- children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 £2.1 billion a year on- 2.1 £2.1 billion a year on hotels takeaways hotels and takeaways for migrants. is it a bad thing migrants. why is it a bad thing to let them work so they can pay their own? do you know what albie i find extraordinary albie i find it extraordinary that you're speaking up for those are working illegally those who are working illegally and and those and car washes and all those other kinds of jobs when actually speaking actually you're not speaking about million about the 5 million people in britain are of work? britain who are out of work? nato that is a separate issue. non— nato that is a separate issue. ion is— nato that is a separate issue. ion is ii— nato that is a separate issue. ion is ii o— nato that is a separate issue. how is it a separate issue? i am i how is it a separate issue? i am i-soying— how is it a separate issue? i am i-soying in— how is it a separate issue? i am i-soying in more— how is it a separate issue? i am i saying in more labour that i am saying in more labour that competes against the work already here. darren, these people i'm people are already here. i'm saying let's make the most of a bad there are jobs bad situation. there are jobs that brits won't do. they're a drain the what you drain on the state. what you are. let's let them work and pay their own way. what you are proposing— their own way. what you are proposing would— " what you are proposing would bring. can you —onsnea- proposing would bring. can you —onsnea ion- proposing would bring. can youi answer—a lot more answer my question? a lot more people?— answer my question? a lot more people?-'_ answer my question? a lot more people7-l om— answer my question? a lot more people? i am answering people? well, i am answering your— people? well, i am answering your question.— people? well, i am answering your question. why that bad? your question. why is that bad? if your question. why is that bad? ii—sion— your question. why is that bad? ii—sion-so- your question. why is that bad?| if_stop-so rude, if you would stop being so rude, if you would stop being so rude, iniii— if you would stop being so rude, iniii onsne— if you would stop being so rude, i will answer your— if you would stop being so rude, i will answer your question, nieose. — please. if you if you incentivise- please. if you if youi incentivise-to please. if you if you- incentivise-to come incentivise people to come here incentivise people to come here in overwhelming— incentivise people to come here in overwhelming numbers, how on eonn—going— earth is that not going to eomneie— earth is that not going to compete domestic earth is that not going to- compete-domestic labour compete with the domestic labour momen— compete with the domestic labour

moraei—inese- market here at home? these oeooiee— market here at home? these people? vny— market here at home? these people? why do_ market here at home? these people? why do you not care oiioni— people? why do you not care oioni ine — people? why do you not care about the british— people? why do you not care about the british here? about the british already here? or-vou_ about the british already here? or-yon noi— about the british already here? or-you not care- about the british already here? or-you not care about. or why do you not care about. i think you're making a pretty ridiculous statement that i don't there's a really don't care why. there's a really voiio— don't care why. there's a really voiio nomi— don't care why. there's a really voiio noini. — don't care why. there's a really valid point. answer- don't care why. there's a really valid point. answer the- valid point. answer the question. answer question. valid point. answer the que answeringier question. valid point. answer the- que answering the-question. valid point. answer the- que answering the question. in. valid point. answer the- que answering the question. this i'm answering the question. this discussion— i'm answering the question. this discussion migrants who discussion is about migrants who are discussion is about migrants who enneniiy— discussion is about migrants who are currentlylnet_ discussion is about migrants who are currently net drain on the are currently a net drain on the snore.— are currently a net drain on the sioie. mere— are currently a net drain on the state. there are— are currently a net drain on the state. there are jobs, as i meniioneo— state. there are jobs, as i mentioned -that. state. there are jobs, as i- mentioned -that british mentioned before, that british geome— mentioned before, that britishi oeooie—sneiio people simply won't do suella braverman-about- people simply won't do suella braverman about the braverman spoke about it at the noiionoi— braverman spoke about it at the national conservatism conference, - national conservatism conference, which national conservatism conference, .which were at conference, of which you were at aiiie — conference, of which you were at arnie-yon— conference, of which you were at albie-you think— conference, of which you were at albie-you think so?- albie don't you think so? why ion-i— albie don't you think so? why oon-i—ning- albie don't you think so? why oon-i—ning inel albie don't you think so? why. don't—plug the jobs don't we let them plug the jobs inor— don't we let them plug the jobs moi-noni— don't we let them plug the jobs that-won't do? - don't we let them plug the jobs that won't do? jrzzr" e that brits won't do? don't you inim— that brits won't do? don't you think emphasis should think the emphasis should be on our failing system and our failing asylum system and the fact that asylum claims are taking so long processed taking so long to be processed before give a carte before you just give a carte blanche anyone crosses blanche to anyone who crosses over? is that's not over? that is that is that's not the argument that we're having today. rubbish. today. it's absolute rubbish. it's argument we're it's not the argument we're having ideological and especially when a million people are rumoured to. none of you nove— are rumoured to. none of you nove onsneeo— are rumoured to. none of you have answered my— at; none of you have answered my question why it's have answered my question why its too— have answered my question why its too io— have answered my question why it's bad to let— have answered my question why it's bad to let them pay their con— it's bad to let them pay their con i— it's bad to let them pay their own. can i just— it's bad to let them pay their own. can i just come in here? its— own. can i just come in here? its osiene — own. can i just come in here? it's obscene. can— own. can i just come in here? it's obscene. can i- own. can i just come in here? it's obscene. ca?" its/é own. can i just come in here? it's obscene. m e. it's obscene. can i just pick up this claim somehow they're this claim that somehow they're flooding they flooding in because they want the benefits are the small benefits that are offered the push offered to them here? the push

factors much stronger than factors are much stronger than the pull factors to this country from . the fact we from albania. the fact that we have climate change destroying parts of the world where millions change is millions live. climate change is destroying— millions live. climate change is destroying albania— millions live. climate change is destroying albania . - ll l climate change is destroying albania . ”fit destroying albania. the fact inor— destroying albania. the fact riot-nove— destroying albania. the fact that have problems that we have serious problems with terrorism parts of the with terrorism in parts of the world that isn't terrorism in albania , and that's why they're albania, and that's why they're coming here. we're not to coming here. we're not going to agree sadly. we're agree on this one, sadly. we're going have to agree on this one, sadly. we're going-have to move- agree on this one, sadly. we're going-have to move on.- a; rzzr" : we're going have to move on. come going to have to move on. come noea— going to have to move on. come room by— going to have to move on. come noea ivy-episode.— going to have to move on. come back by episode. still to back by leo episode. still to come tonight,— back by leo episode. still to come tonight, let us know what you— come tonight, let us know what you inina— come tonight, let us know what you min or— come tonight, let us know what you think at home.— come tonight, let us know what you think at home. i'll be giving— you think at home. i'll be giving-oom- you think at home. i'll be giving $0.02 why you think at home. i'll be- giving-$0.02.why backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0.02 why backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0 a 2 why backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0 a unit why backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0 a unit is �*iy backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0 a unit is �*iy bfaring the family as a unit is not far rigni. — the family as a unit is not far right. benjamin— the family as a unit is not far right. benjamin will call for more -on the - right. benjamin will call for more on the green belt, more houses on the green belt, oesniie— more houses on the green belt, oesoiie nnoi— more houses on the green belt, despite what the— more houses on the green belt, despite what the boomers say. his—mine.— despite what the boomers say. his—mine. oni- despite what the boomers say. his mine. but next, despite what the boomers say. his kearse mine. but next, despite what the boomers say. his kearse arguesie. but next, despite what the boomers say. his kearse argues thatut next, despite what the boomers say. his kearse argues that britain leo kearse argues that britain is systemically— leo kearse argues that britain is systemically racist against nniie— is systemically racist against nniie geome— is systemically racist against white people. sparks are going to white people. sparks are going io iiy— white people. sparks are going io iiy. i— white people. sparks are going to iiy. i inina— white people. sparks are going to fly. i think on— white people. sparks are going to fly. i think on that one. nonr— to fly. i think on that one. your saturday— to fly. i think on that one. your saturday five life on .

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news radio. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, she has very much for all of your emails about tonight's topics. christians written in to say philip schofield has been on borrowed time for years. never forget the pain his wife went through having found out in a very public way that she'd been living a lie for decades . living a lie for decades. philip's position is untenable . philip's position is untenable. poor holly deserves better. janice says there is no way i would allow an illegals to look after anyone in our care system . don't know who they are or where they're from, and do they have a criminal record ? it's have a criminal record? it's a ridiculous idea to well, spicy stuff . now it's time for ridiculous idea to well, spicy stuff. now it's time for our next debate. up next, it's leo who is going to tell us why he thinks systemic racism does exist. and guess what, folks ? exist. and guess what, folks? it's anti—white racism . take it it's anti—white racism. take it away, leo. we're told that systemic racism is one of the evils of our time. so i went iooaing— evils of our time. so i went iooaing ion— evils of our time. so i went looking for it— evils of our time. so i went looking for it and- evils of our time. so i went looking for it and i- ” e so i went looking for it and i found it in noi— looking for it and i found it in noi one— looking for it and i found it in noi ini— looking for it and i found it in not one, but two _ looking for it and i found it in not one, but two job adverts for

governmeni— not one, but two job adverts for government jobs. _ not one, but two job adverts for government jobs. one was for two ieoeners— government jobs. one was for two ieoeners in— government jobs. one was for two teachers in scotland— government jobs. one was for two teachers in scotland , the other teachers in scotland, the other one was for tel— teachers in scotland, the other one was for tfl ,_ teachers in scotland, the other one was for tfl , sadiq khan's one was for tfl, sadiq khan's tel:— one was for tfl, sadiq khan's iii, noon— one was for tfl, sadiq khan's iii, ioin oi— one was for tfl, sadiq khan's tfl, both of them— one was for tfl, sadiq khan's tfl, both of them specified candidates— tfl, both of them specified candidates and _ tfl, both of them specified candidates and excluded candidates— candidates and excluded candidates based on the colour of candidates based on the colour oi ineir— candidates based on the colour of their skin.— candidates based on the colour of their skin. the— candidates based on the colour of their skin. the twist they were excluding— of their skin. the twist they were excluding white candidates and were excluding white candidates one my— were excluding white candidates and only select— were excluding white candidates and only select candidates that nani— and only select candidates that we or— and only select candidates that were bame or bipoc or wherever iney— were bame or bipoc or wherever they appropriate— were bame or bipoc or wherever they appropriate acronym is this neea— they appropriate acronym is this neea. non— they appropriate acronym is this week. now this— they appropriate acronym is this week. now this is— they appropriate acronym is this week. now this is this is ierriiie. — week. now this is this is terrible. we— week. now this is this is terrible. we cannot have racist job terrible. we cannot have racist ton oovens. — terrible. we cannot have racist ton oovens. ne— terrible. we cannot have racist job adverts. we can't have this iero— job adverts. we can't have this iero inro— job adverts. we can't have this baked into the— job adverts. we can't have this baked into the functioning of our government— baked into the functioning of our government and of our eorooroiions— our government and of our corporations. there are many inor— corporations. there are many reasons that it's— corporations. there are many reasons that it's a terrible ioeo— reasons that it's a terrible ioeo .— reasons that it's a terrible ioeo . ii— reasons that it's a terrible idea . it reduces the pool of idea. it reduces the pool of ioieni— idea. it reduces the pool of talent that— idea. it reduces the pool of talent that you— idea. it reduces the pool of talent that you can choose from. seoiiono— talent that you can choose from. seoiiono is— talent that you can choose from. scotland is 96%_ talent that you can choose from. scotland is 96% white, so you're my— scotland is 96% white, so you're oniy seieeiing— scotland is 96% white, so you're only selecting from _ scotland is 96% white, so you're only selecting from 4% of seoiiono-s— only selecting from 4% of scotland's population asian. it sins— scotland's population asian. it siirs nn— scotland's population asian. it stirs up resent— scotland's population asian. it stirs up resent .— scotland's population asian. it stirs up resent . doesn't anybody stirs up resent. doesn't anybody iiae— stirs up resent. doesn't anybody iiae me— stirs up resent. doesn't anybody iiae me nio— stirs up resent. doesn't anybody like me who sees— stirs up resent. doesn't anybody like me who sees the advert is going— like me who sees the advert is going io— like me who sees the advert is going to ieei— like me who sees the advert is going to feel slighted ? i can't going to feel slighted? i can't apply— going to feel slighted? i can't apply just— going to feel slighted? i can't apply just because i'm white. moi-s— apply just because i'm white. inoi-s inoi-s— apply just because i'm white. that's that's terrible. that's roeisi. — that's that's terrible. that's roeisi. ano— that's that's terrible. that's racist. and for— that's that's terrible. that's racist. and for some people inoi-s— racist. and for some people inor-s going— racist. and for some people inor-s going io— racist. and for some people that's going to encourage them to that's going to encourage them iolroeisi— that's going to encourage them iolroeisi oni— that's going to encourage them

to racist and retaliate . an to be racist and retaliate. an we to be racist and retaliate. an ne oo— to be racist and retaliate. an we to nor— to be racist and retaliate. an we do not want— to be racist and retaliate. an we do not want to encourage this at we do not want to encourage this oi oii. — we do not want to encourage this oi oii. ano— we do not want to encourage this oi on. and ii— we do not want to encourage this at all. and it also— we do not want to encourage this at all. and it also invalidates ine— at all. and it also invalidates the achievements of the people nio— the achievements of the people nno oo— the achievements of the people nno oo gei— the achievements of the people who do get those— the achievements of the people who do get those jobs. iverynooy-s— who do get those jobs.- everybody's - look who do get those jobs.- everybody's-look at everybody's going to look at inem — everybody's going to look at inem -wgg,- everybody's going to look at them well, you've just them and say, well, you've just got them and say, well, you've just goi inis— them and say, well, you've just got this-because- them and say, well, you've just got this because the got this job because of the eoonri— got this job because of the soonri oi— got this job because of the colour of-skin,- got this job because of the colour of skin, not because colour of your skin, not because of colour of your skin, not because oi-yon-ve— colour of your skin, not because of-you've actually- colour of your skin, not because of you've actually achieved of what you've actually achieved niin — of what you've actually achieved with _terrible. - with your life. it's terrible. i oon-i— with your life. it's terrible. i don't-under- with your life. it's terrible. i don't-under the- with your life. it's terrible. i don't under the equality don't know, under the equality act:— don't know, under the equality ag, ii— don't know, under the equality act, it should— don't know, under the equality act, it should be— don't know, under the equality act, it should be illegal to discriminate— act, it should be illegal to discriminate based on the colour of someone's skin,— of someone's skin, but ooporeniiy— apparently there are carveouts nnere— apparently there are carveouts nnere in— apparently there are carveouts nnere in inis— apparently there are carveouts where in this case for the ieosners— where in this case for the teachers, they _ where in this case for the teachers, they said they needed someiooy— teachers, they said they needed someiooy nio— teachers, they said they needed somebody who matched the einnisiiy— somebody who matched the ethnicity and— somebody who matched the ethnicity and the cultural iosagronno— ethnicity and the cultural background of the pupils that iney— background of the pupils that iney nee— background of the pupils that they were teaching . but again, they were teaching. but again, inoi-s— they were teaching. but again, that's segregation. that's racial segregation. moi-s— that's racial segregation. inoi-s o— that's racial segregation. inoi-s o very— that's racial segregation. that's a very dangerous racist ioeo— that's a very dangerous racist ioeo io— that's a very dangerous racist ioeo io soy— that's a very dangerous racist idea to say that— that's a very dangerous racist idea to say that white people son-i— idea to say that white people son-i ieosn — idea to say that white people can't teach black— idea to say that white people can't teach black kids, black geome— can't teach black kids, black people son-i— can't teach black kids, black people can't teach white kids. moi-s— people can't teach white kids. inoi-s moi-s— people can't teach white kids. that's that's exactly what the soying— that's that's exactly what the soying .— that's that's exactly what the were saying . it's— that's that's exactly what the were saying . it's disgusting. were saying. it's disgusting. anynoy— were saying. it's disgusting. anynoy, i— were saying. it's disgusting. anynoy, i nove— were saying. it's disgusting. anyway, i have a dream . i have anyway, i have a dream. i have a oreom— anyway, i have a dream. i have a stem inor— anyway, i have a dream. i have a dream that one— anyway, i have a dream. i have a dream that one day— anyway, i have a dream. i have a dream that one day we'll have egnoiiiy— dream that one day we'll have egnoiiry in— dream that one day we'll have equality in this— dream that one day we'll have equality in this country and everybody— equality in this country and everybody will— equality in this country and everybody will be treated egnoiiy— everybody will be treated egnoiiy no — everybody will be treated equally no matter what the sooni— equally no matter what the sooni oi— equally no matter what the colour of their— equally no matter what the colour of their skin and anti nniie— colour of their skin and anti white racism _ colour of their skin and anti white racism will be a thing of the white racism will be a thing of one post — white racism will be a thing of the past. well,— white racism will be a thing of the past. well, i— white racism will be a thing of the past. ennis " g�*rziz; white racism will be a thing of the past. ennis " ”iii: the past. well, i mean, there we are. oh leo. i mean, that was a

very,— are. oh leo. i mean, that was a very, very— are. oh leo. i mean, that was a very, very interesting— viii; cj" i mean, that was a very, very interesting monologue inor— very, very interesting monologue inoi yon— very, very interesting monologue not you insi— very, very interesting monologue rnor yon insi gove— very, very interesting monologue that you just gave us there. so yon-re— that you just gave us there. so yonre sioim — that you just gave us there. so you're claim is— that you just gave us there. so you're claim is that systemic racism exists— you're claim is that systemic racism exists against white eeone.— racism exists against white people- so— racism exists against white people. so there's anti white racism. yeah.— people. so there's anti white racism. yeah. the— people. so there's anti white racism. yeah. the evidence and ine— racism. yeah. the evidence and one evioense— racism. yeah. the evidence and the evidence that— racism. yeah. the evidence and the evidence that you have given an the evidence that you have given on is— the evidence that you have given on is io— the evidence that you have given on is io toi— the evidence that you have given an r to job adverts,— the evidence that you have given an r to job adverts, do you have any— an r to job adverts, do you have my oiner— an r to job adverts, do you have any other evidence— an r to job adverts, do you have any other evidence to back up yon— any other evidence to back up yon sioime— any other evidence to back up yon sioime — any other evidence to back up your claim? do— any other evidence to back up your claim? do i— any other evidence to back up your claim? jrir : aiiy any other evidence to back up your claim? jrir : your claim? do i need any other evidence? would you would you say that to somebody? would you say that to somebody? would you say to somebody who's just say that to somebody who's just been the victim of racism? would you say, oh, what other racism this enough this is? this isn't enough racism? yes, i would. you would. i racism? yes, i would. you would. i—osa— racism? yes, i would. you would. i—osa ion- racism? yes, i would. you would. i—osa ior some- i would i would ask for some more statistics— i would i would ask for some more statistics back a more statistics to back up a sioim,— more statistics to back up a dam, iiae— more statistics to back up a claim, like saying that systemic racism exists,— claim, like saying that systemic racism exists, but— claim, like saying that systemic racism exists, but it's anti nniie.— racism exists, but it's anti nniie. so— racism exists, but it's anti white. so why— racism exists, but it's anti white. so why do evidence why oon-i— white. so why do evidence why oon-i yon— white. so why do evidence why oon-i yon inn— white. so why do evidence why don't you turn on— white. so why do evidence why don't you turn on turn on itv oni— don't you turn on turn on itv ono nois— don't you turn on turn on itv ono noii ion— don't you turn on turn on itv and wait for an— don't you turn on turn on itv and wait for an ad- don't you turn on turn on itv and wait for an ad break and onen— and wait for an ad break and men see— and wait for an ad break and then see what— and wait for an ad break and then see what the represent sioiion— then see what the represent sioiion is— then see what the represent station is in— then see what the represent station is in the— then see what the represent station is in the in the adverts to station is in the in the adverts io see— station is in the in the adverts io ii— station is in the in the adverts io ii is— station is in the in the adverts to see if it's i— station is in the in the adverts to see if it's i mean, britain is soio— to see if it's i mean, britain is 86% white,— to see if it's i mean, britain is 86% white, see if 86% of the geome— is 86% white, see if 86% of the oeooie in— is 86% white, see if 86% of the new“! in mose— is 86% white, see if 86% of the people in those adverts are nniie.— people in those adverts are nniie. is— people in those adverts are white. is that— people in those adverts are white. is that meant to be evioense— white. is that meant to be evidence or— white. is that meant to be evidence or how much evidence do you need— evidence or how much evidence do you need inor— evidence or how much evidence do you need that albie— evidence or how much evidence do you need that albie i mean, it's supposed— you need that albie i mean, it's supposed io— you need that albie i mean, it's snooosei io-one- you need that albie i mean, it's supposed to one minute supposed to be a one minute monoiogne— supposed to be a one minute monologue. well, no, that's

iine— monologue. well, no, that's iine. im— monologue. well, no, that's inns. in insi— monologue. well, no, that's fine. i'm just asking. we're noving— fine. i'm just asking. we're having discussion now and having a discussion now and yon-re—reoiiyl you're not you're not really giving— you're not you're not really giving-yon- you're not you're not really giving you check you're not you're not really- giving-you check your giving very. can you check your iiosa— giving very. can you check your black privilege,— giving very. can you check your black privilege, please? \arir black privilege, please? no, i non-i— black privilege, please? no, i won't, actually,— black privilege, please? no, i won't, actually, because i. i'm wearing black won't, actually, because i. i'm wearing-black privilege- won't, actually, because i. i'm. wearing-black privilege-my wearing my black privilege on my seevei —iiosa| wearing my black privilege on my sieevio—iiosai wearing my black privilege on my sleevto just—blackl wearing my black privilege on my sleevto just prove black wearing my black privilege on my sleevto just prove it black wearing my black privilege on my sleevto just prove it even black shirt to just prove it even iooa— shirt to just prove it even more. look there are systemic ininsiises— more. look there are systemic ininsiises in— more. look there are systemic injustices in society, and there are some people— injustices in society, and there are some people who argue that nnere— are some people who argue that rise is— are some people who argue that there is systemic— are some people who argue that there is systemic racism against geome— there is systemic racism against oeooie oi— there is systemic racism against people of colour— there is systemic racism against people of colour .— there is systemic racism against people of colour . some people people of colour. some people orgne— people of colour. some people orgne inor— people of colour. some people argue that there's— people of colour. some people argue that there's systemic racism against— argue that there's systemic racism against white people. i nove— racism against white people. i nove io— racism against white people. i nove io-yonre— racism against white people. i have to you're the first have to say, you're the first peso“— have to say, you're the first person - heard - have to say, you're the first person heard make that person i've heard make that orgnmeni— person i've heard make that argument because argument seriously, because eveoryne— argument seriously, because everyone—sol argument seriously, because- everyone _to. when everyone is too scared to. when geome— everyone is too scared to. when people ioia— everyone is too scared to. when people talk about— everyone is too scared to. when people talk about systemic racism - black - people talk about systemic racism black people or racism towards black people or asion— racism towards black people or asion pewter— racism towards black people or asian people, they use proper sioiisiiss— asian people, they use proper statistics from _ asian people, they use proper statistics from the office of noiionoi— statistics from the office of national statistics, such as the sioiisiis— national statistics, such as the statistic about— national statistics, such as the statistic about health care outcomes . if— statistic about health care outcomes . if we look, for outcomes. if we look, for exomnie— outcomes. if we look, for example, about about women giving— example, about about women giving tinn— example, about about women giving iinn .— example, about about women giving iinn , ne— example, about about women giving birth , we know that black giving birth, we know that black and giving birth, we know that black one asion— giving birth, we know that black and asian women— giving birth, we know that black and asian women are 3 or 4 times iiaeiy— and asian women are 3 or 4 times iiaeiy io— and asian women are 3 or 4 times more likely to die— and asian women are 3 or 4 times more likely to die in— and asian women are 3 or 4 times more likely to die in childbirth inon— more likely to die in childbirth inon nniie— more likely to die in childbirth than white women, and that's iesse— than white women, and that's iesse oi— than white women, and that's because of racism . ' ”iii: because of racism. are you seeing— because of racism. are you seeing birth canals are racist against people? leo i'm actually the against people? leo i'm actually one osinoi— against people? leo i'm actually the actual process— against people? leo i'm actually the actual process of— rig: 7 leo i'm actually the actual process of birth aiigri 7 leo i'm actually the actual process of birth is rosisi. — the actual process of birth is rosisi. nn— the actual process of birth is racist. but you're— the actual process of birth is racist. but you're not willing to engoge— racist. but you're not willing to engoge viii— racist. but you're not willing

to engage with it? no but that's not to engage with it? no but that's noi on— to engage with it? no but that's not an example. _ to engage with it? no but that's not an example. that's not an example of systemic racism to job adverts. there's no evidence to that job adverts come in to show that job adverts come in here because. because not here because. because i'm not sne-geiiing— here because. because i'm not sure-getting anywhere. ”jiifii: f because i'm not sure getting anywhere with sure we're getting anywhere with this sure we're getting anywhere with inis oonisnior— sure we're getting anywhere with this particular line. let's iosns— this particular line. let's focus-adverts. focus on these adverts themselves— focus on these adverts themselves ,- focus on these adverts themselves , please. yeah, i themselves, please. yeah, i inina— themselves, please. yeah, i inina yon— themselves, please. yeah, i think you can— themselves, please. yeah, i think you can read albie argue inor— think you can read albie argue inoi ii— think you can read albie argue nor is is— think you can read albie argue that it is discriminatory ogoinsi— that it is discriminatory against white people if they are not against white people if they are noi oiioneo— against white people if they are not allowed to— against white people if they are not allowed to apply for a governmeni— not allowed to apply for a government job. “cit? government job. yes, i have a lot government job. yes, i have a in oi— government job. yes, i have a lot of sympathy for that. but what i disagree with vehemently is that those two job adverts are evidence that there's systemic racism against white people britain. mean , come systemic racism against white peospecificallyn. mean , come systemic racism against white peospecifically i'm mean , come systemic racism against white peospecifically i'm notin , come systemic racism against white peospecifically i'm not sayingie on. specifically i'm not saying there is or there isn't. that was leia's argument- there is or there isn't. that was leia's argument in- e"iiil”iiil e"iiil”iiil e that was leia's argument in that oeoonmeni— was leia's argument in that department that government oeoonmeni.— department that government department. tfl would you say inor— department. tfl would you say inoi ineir— department. tfl would you say that their recruitment process sonio —io - that their recruitment process sonio —io ie - that their recruitment process could to be racist? could be argued to be racist? mere-s— could be argued to be racist? there's nothing— could be argued to be racist? there's nothing there's no orgnmeni— there's nothing there's no orgnmeni on— there's nothing there's no argument on the basis that is discriminatory. _ argument on the basis that is discriminatory. . argument on the basis that is discriminatory. f argument on the basis that is discriminatory. . f : discriminatory. it comes down to government not be doing it. it comes down to government policy as comes down to government policy os neii. — comes down to government policy os neii. so— comes down to government policy as well. so under— comes down to government policy as well. so under the equality act as well. so under the equality asi-oovens— as well. so under the equality act-adverts, these- act job adverts, these government - act job adverts, these government departments are oiioneo— government departments are oiioneolnosi— government departments are allowed post race at job allowed to post race at job

omens.— allowed to post race at job oovens. iney— allowed to post race at job adverts. they should not be posting— adverts. they should not be posting mose— adverts. they should not be posting those job adverts in inor— posting those job adverts in inoi noy. — posting those job adverts in that way. thank- posting those job adverts in that way. “as“ ag “g that way. thank you for agreeing with me. i don't. your argument was that there's anti—white racism and it's systemic. well, you gave two pieces of rubbish evidence. bring that. we'll bnng evidence. bring that. we'll bring back evidence. bring that. we'll bring-back.screenl evidence. bring that. we'll. bring-back.screen on bring that back on screen on inis— bring that back on screen on inis ooven— bring that back on screen on this advert from _ bring that back on screen on this advert from tfl where osinoiiy— this advert from tfl where osinoiiy ii— this advert from tfl where actually it says— this advert from tfl where actually it says that you must be oi— actually it says that you must be oi iiosa— actually it says that you must be oi iiosa .— actually it says that you must be of black , asian and minority be of black, asian and minority einnis— be of black, asian and minority ethnic background . and do you ethnic background. and do you inina— ethnic background. and do you inina inn-s— ethnic background. and do you think that's actually okay as a job think that's actually okay as a ton oooiisoiion— think that's actually okay as a job application or— think that's actually okay as a job application or job? absolutely— job application or job? absolutely positive discrimination, which is what inis— discrimination, which is what mm is— discrimination, which is what this is positive— discrimination, which is what this is positive about. a this is positive about. it is imperson— this is positive about. it is important because you have institutional barriers that apply to groups like black and minority ethnic people . you minority ethnic people. you have. could you give me an example of one of these barriers? well, we know for example, you see the evidence that if someone with a non traditional british sounding name name on a cv, name puts their name on a cv, that are far less likely to that they are far less likely to be considered. there's swathes that they are far less likely to be evidencead. there's swathes that they are far less likely to be evidence ad. therthat wathes that they are far less likely to beevidencead. therthat .athes that they are far less likely to beevidencead. therthat . nortje of evidence around that. nortje that's why blind cvs, ones that don't have the name is more important. so you think racism should more should be fought with more racism? what i think is that,

vein— racism? what i think is that, vein-insi— racism? what i think is that, wellr-j'ust-of- well, you're just full of nonsense.— well, you're just full of nonsense. that's exactly that's exosiiy— nonsense. that's exactly that's exosiiy nnoi— nonsense. that's exactly that's exactly what this— nonsense. that's exactly that's exactly what this is. this is racism. there's- exactly what this is. this is racism. "r“rii; “ exactly what this is. this is racism. “ racism. there's a reason they call crass. there's call you leo crass. there's nobody calls me leo crass. you're literally called you'reyliterally called benjamin you're literally called benjamin nniiernonn— you're literally called benjamin butterworth, and— you're literally called benjamin butterworth, and you're criticising— butterworth, and you're criticising people's butterworth, and you're- criticising-people's names criticising other people's names . ine— criticising other people's names . ins iosn— criticising other people's names . ins iosi is— criticising other people's names . the fact is that— criticising other people's names . the fact is that there- criticising other people's names . the fact is that there is institutional racism . that means institutional racism. that means that white people appoint other white people, that they associate white people with certain skills and accomplishments and confidence and expectations that they see a black person. they see people for some other minority ethnic groups, and they make different assumptions. so you think that is it? you think this racism is okay? think this is okay? you think this this is a way that to people from way that says to people from those backgrounds they can a those backgrounds they can get a foot the ladder, but they foot on the ladder, but they wouldn't otherwise. when you wouldn't otherwise. when do you stop wouldn't otherwise. when do you soon—anoi— wouldn't otherwise. when do you soon—anon ii- wouldn't otherwise. when do you soon—anon ii yon- stop doing that? what if you iooa— stop doing that? what if you iooaline— stop doing that? what if you look-the person- stop doing that? what if you look the person running look at the person who's running mr— look at the person who's running iii—anon.— look at the person who's running tfl,_khan. who?- look at the person who's running tfl, khan. who? him tfl, it is sadiq khan. who? him nimseii— tfl, it is sadiq khan. who? him nimseii is— tfl, it is sadiq khan. who? him himself is.ethnic_ tfl, it is sadiq khan. who? him himself is ethnic minority. himself is an ethnic minority. nes— himself is an ethnic minority. hes—iosn- himself is an ethnic minority. he's-back, hasn't. himself is an ethnic minority.- he's-back, hasn't he? he's been held back, hasn't he? nes— he's been held back, hasn't he? ne-s monogeo— he's been held back, hasn't he? he's managed to— he's been held back, hasn't he? he's managed to become. on. he's managed to become. hang on. so he's managed to become. hang on. so-yon— he's managed to become. hang on. so-yon nnen— he's managed to become. hang on. so-yon nnen oo- he's managed to become. hang on. so-you when do you- he's managed to become. hang on. so you when do you stop so when do you when do you stop it? so when do you when do you stop is nnen— so when do you when do you stop it? when completely it? when there's completely egnoi— it? when there's completely- egnoi—yon equal representation? well, you just equal representation? well, you toss-insi— equal representation? well, you toss-toss soio- equal representation? well, you just-just said-usel just said you just said you use sooig— just said you just said you use sooig anon— just said you just said you use sadiq khan example of not sadiq khan as an example of not iosing— sadiq khan as an example of not iosing- — sadiq khan as an example of not iosing- song- facing barriers. sadiq khan, quite uniquely the same

quite uniquely faces the same police protection he police protection which he doesn't choice in. the doesn't get a choice in. as the prime minister and the king because so many racist. because he faces so many racist. i'm asking you when positive discrimination— i'm asking you when positive discrimination finish . discrimination should finish. nnen— discrimination should finish. omen-toi— discrimination should finish. when-job done?- discrimination should finish. when job done? well the when is the job done? well the job when is the job done? well the on nono— when is the job done? well the ion nonio ie— when is the job done? well the job would be done. �*jajajj“ri;“ when is the job done? well the job would be done. �*jajajj“ri.“ when is the job done? well the job would be done. �*jajvj“ri“ job would be done. when you see the evidence that someone with albie doesn't face the albie surname doesn't face the same assumptions as your son. well, but rishi sunak literally the prime minister. fair. the prime minister. that's fair. but and i'm not but rishi sunak had and i'm not denying that he's overcome barriers, he had most barriers, but he had the most extraordinary going extraordinary privilege as going to most expensive to one of the most expensive schools and being to one of the most expensive schools to and being to one of the most expensive schools to a and being to one of the most expensive schools to a billionaire.aing to one of the most expensive schools to a billionaire. but married to a billionaire. but you need to you said that we need to institute analysed race racism institute analysed race racism in job selection, in candidate selection to combat, to combat use those words the racism that holds back rishi sunak who somehow managed to become prime minister. despite you being impossiiie— minister. despite you being impossible for— ii “ despite you being impossible for somebody . impossible for somebody. understand,— impossible for somebody. understand, leo- impossible for somebody. understand, leo is- impossible for somebody. understand, leo is institutional racism well benjamin anecdotes , racism well benjamin anecdotes, not evidence. let's just say an example is the liberal prime minister. let's just say, for exomnie— minister. let's just say, for example, right,— ii “ let's just say, for example, right, there are too mony— example, right, there are too mony goys— example, right, there are too mony goys in— example, right, there are too many gays in showbiz. perhaps. ves- — many gays in showbiz. perhaps. ves- nonin— many gays in showbiz. perhaps. yes. would you actually support a job application for. i don't know, a new tv presenter or

something like that saying no gays allowed ? well, actually, i gays allowed? well, actually, i inina— gays allowed? well, actually, i inina sini— gays allowed? well, actually, i think stuff like _ gays allowed? well, actually, i think stuff like that— gays allowed? well, actually, i think stuff like that is- gays :7 well, actually, i think stuff like that is really imoononi— think stuff like that is really important because television is meoni— important because television is meoni io— important because television is meant to reflect— important because television is meant to reflect the country. ano— meant to reflect the country. and inoi-s— meant to reflect the country. and that's-the - meant to reflect the country. and that's the fact that and that's why the fact that rou— and that's why the fact that roii iosa— and that's why the fact that roll back but— and that's why the fact that roll back but roll back 20 years ago— roll back but roll back 20 years ogo-oovens— roll back but roll back 20 years ogo-oovens. — roll back but roll back 20 years ago adverts . ”r“rii; roll back but roll back 20 years ago adverts . "r“rii; ago ipp adverts. there's no white people roll back 20 or 30 years and you would have had a much harder chance as an indian person or a black person getting on telly because racist views are more commonplace. roll back 50 and are more commonplace. roll back so-ono nniie— are more commonplace. roll back 50 _and white people - 50 years and white people dressed— 50 years and white people dressed nn— 50 years and white people dressed up as— 50 years and white people dressed up as minstrels to mock iiosa— dressed up as minstrels to mock iiosa-on— dressed up as minstrels to mock black-on saturday- dressed up as minstrels to mock black on saturday night. black people on saturday night. war,— black people on saturday night. wen-wig— black people on saturday night. well,-what-tryingl well, that's what you're trying to overcome. ”iii: well, that's what you're trying to overcome. ”c: .q “g well, that's what you're trying to overcome. ii; .3 “g to overcome. so we're trying to overcome something happened overcome something that happened . to . white racism. we're trying to overcome that happened overcome something that happened 50 your example of 50 years ago. your example of racism minstrels. yeah, racism is the minstrels. yeah, well, that was this— racism is the minstrels. yeah, well, that was this is- well, that was this is a particularly— well, that was this is a particularly fiery session . e particularly fiery session. it is, particularly fiery session. it is. osinoiiy. — particularly fiery session. it is, actually. darren- particularly fiery session. it is, actually. darren right . is, actually. darren right. we're still ahead, folks. nentomin— we're still ahead, folks. benjamin gets hit up over the iosa— benjamin gets hit up over the iosa oi— benjamin gets hit up over the lack of housebuilding on our nesions— lack of housebuilding on our precious green— lack of housebuilding on our precious green belt. but siroigni— precious green belt. but srroignr no— precious green belt. but straight up next, there's going to straight up next, there's going io ie— straight up next, there's going io is o— straight up next, there's going io is o sose— straight up next, there's going to be a case by— straight up next, there's going to be a case by emily made for why— to be a case by emily made for nny iosaing— to be a case by emily made for why backing families doesn't mean you're far— why backing families doesn't mean you're far right. yes, that

reoiiy— mean you're far right. yes, that reoiiy is— mean you're far right. yes, that reoiiy is ine— mean you're far right. yes, that really is the ridiculous orgnmeni— really is the ridiculous argument that's been made this neea— argument that's been made this neea .— argument that's been made this neea . nni— argument that's been made this week. but user— argument that's been made this week . but user with the saturday week. but user with the saturday five week. but user with the saturday iive iive— week. but user with the saturday iive iive on— week. but user with the saturday five live on gb— week. but user with the saturday five live on gb news news .

am. on. sunday welcome back to an incredibly fiery, i think it's safe to say saturday five. as always , cheers saturday five. as always, cheers very— saturday five. as always, cheers very mnsn— saturday five. as always, cheers very mnsn ion— saturday five. as always, cheers very much for all— saturday five. as always, cheers very much for all of— ce; �*7 as always, cheers very much for all of your emails oion— very much for all of your emails about tonight's— very much for all of your emails about tonight's topics. maggie's nriiien— about tonight's topics. maggie's nriiien in— about tonight's topics. maggie's written in and— about tonight's topics. maggie's written in and she— about tonight's topics. maggie's written in and she says positive io— written in and she says positive io one— written in and she says positive racism to one person is negative , io— racism to one person is negative , racism to another.— racism to one person is negative , racism to another. it is all evin— , racism to another. it is all evii. sniie— , racism to another. it is all evil. quite right— , racism to another. it is all evil. quite right for thought. non— evil. quite right for thought. non ii-s— evil. quite right for thought. now it's time— evil. quite right for thought. now it's time for our next eeone.— now it's time for our next oeioie. up— now it's time for our next debate. up next, it's going to be debate. up next, it's going to ie imiiy— debate. up next, it's going to ie imiiy oni— debate. up next, it's going to be emily and emily's going to ieii— be emily and emily's going to ieii ns— be emily and emily's going to ieii ns vny— be emily and emily's going to tell us why supporting the iomiiy— tell us why supporting the family institution doesn't mean inor— family institution doesn't mean inoi yon-e— family institution doesn't mean not yonre ion— family institution doesn't mean that you're far right off you go,— that you're far right off you go, imiiy— that you're far right off you go, imiiy. nes— that you're far right off you go, imiiy. ves. — that you're far right off you go, emily. yes. �*jajerigl .’“ri;"ri; that you're far right off you go, emily. yes. �*jajerigl ”r“rii; go, emily. yes. well, there you go. so danny kruger mp was torn to shreds this week after he suggested at a conservative conference that parents should stay together for the sake of the family and that the

normative family, i.e. the family and that the normative family, le. a family consisting of two parents, is the only basis for a safe and functioning society. so let's have a look at what he had to say. and you can judge the normative family held together by marriage , by mother and by marriage, by mother and father sticking together for the sake of the children and the sake of the children and the sake of the children and the sake of their own parents and the sake of themselves , as this the sake of themselves, as this is the only possible basis for a safe and successful society . so safe and successful society. so there you go. according to twitter , that was the most twitter, that was the most controversial , outrageous, far controversial, outrageous, far right bigoted thing that one could ever say . people pointed could ever say. people pointed out that people suffer in abusive marriages and can be victims of domestic violence and therefore, how dare danny kruger, even suggests that people should stay together, either in partnerships for the sake of children and society ? sake of children and society? firstly, although i don't know for sure , i can't be sure, for sure, i can't be sure, i seriously doubt that danny kruger would argue that if you're beaten by your partner , you're beaten by your partner, you're beaten by your partner, you should with them you should stay with them regardless . and secondly, this regardless. and secondly, this doesn't away from the doesn't take away from the broader point that we should be

able discuss the benefits of able to discuss the benefits of marriage without being accused of being far right, or as some way bigoted of people who choose other ways of living . marriage other ways of living. marriage is, by and large, the best way to children. there are to raise children. there are statistics to show that and saying strong families are good for society does not make you a nutcase . of course, that's not nutcase. of course, that's not to say that people should be shamed or ostracised for being single parents. course they single parents. of course they shouldn't. but the time, shouldn't. but at the same time, marriage should be something thatis marriage should be something that is encouraged and celebrated. let's see what the shamed and shameless former health secretary matt hancock had to say . health secretary matt hancock had to say. huge applause there for had to say. huge applause there ior donny— had to say. huge applause there for danny kruger. _ had to say. huge applause there for danny kruger. your- “ar: huge applause there for danny kruger. your reaction? it for danny kruger. your reaction? ii is— for danny kruger. your reaction? ii is so— for danny kruger. your reaction? ii is so .— for danny kruger. your reaction? ii is so , so— for danny kruger. your reaction? it is so , so offensive. ' “r: for danny kruger. your reaction? it is so , so offensive. '“r: e it is so, so offensive. and it's so wrong. i mean, tell that to the king. you know, he doesn't have a normative family and he is absolutely a strong basis for society . arnie i mean, to make society. arnie i mean, to make the argument that if you're in an abusive marriage, you must stick together for the sake of the kids. otherwise you're somehow undermining society .

somehow undermining society. arnie right. von somehow undermining society. arnie right . von the tories arnie right. von the tories i nono— arnie right. von the tories i wont soy— arnie right. von the tories i wont soy os— arnie right. von the tories i would say as if— arnie right. von the tories i would say as if we- '“ ri; mg“ von the tories i would say as if we should '“ ri; 3g“ von the tories i would say as if we should be ioaing— would say as if we should be taking lectures— would say as if we should be taking lectures from mr hancock nnen— taking lectures from mr hancock nnen ii— taking lectures from mr hancock win is somes— taking lectures from mr hancock when it comes to— taking lectures from mr hancock when it comes to family and mornoeg — when it comes to family and marriage. farage_ when it comes to family and marriage. farage perhaps it's iomiiy— marriage. farage perhaps it's hardly surprising that man who hardly surprising that a man who sneoieo— hardly surprising that a man who sneoieolnis— hardly surprising that a man who cheated-his wife— hardly surprising that a man who cheated his wife and walked cheated on his wife and walked out cheated on his wife and walked our—nono- cheated on his wife and walked out—would findi out on his children would find anger-s— out on his children would find angers-so- out on his children would find kruger's so offensive. kruger's speech. so offensive. it kruger's speech. so offensive. iilnoi— kruger's speech. so offensive. it not controversial say it is not controversial to say inor— it is not controversial to say moi—porenis- it is not controversial to say that—parents is. it is not controversial to say. that—parents is the that having two parents is the oniimoi— that having two parents is the oniimoi-roise- that having two parents is the optimal-raise a- that having two parents is the optimal raise a family, optimal way to raise a family, insi— optimal way to raise a family, toss—noi- just like how it's not controversial to that just like how it's not- controversial to .that it's controversial to say that it's moss— controversial to say that it's most beneficial— controversial to say that it's most beneficial to be born with no— most beneficial to be born with ino sea,— most beneficial to be born with ino g... .eyes— most beneficial to be born with two feet,-eyes and- most beneficial to be born with two feet, eyes and two arms. two feet, two eyes and two arms. mere— two feet, two eyes and two arms. inere ne— two feet, two eyes and two arms. inere we go. — two feet, two eyes and two arms. there we go. that's— two feet, two eyes and two arms. there we go. that's palava. there we go. that's my palava. someo— there we go. that's my palava. sorted,-finished- there we go. that's my palava. sorted, finished anyone sorted, done. finished anyone got sorted, done. finished anyone goo-io— sorted, done. finished anyone goo-so soyi— sorted, done. finished anyone got-to say? yeah- sorted, done. finished anyone got-to say? yeah i. sorted, done. finished anyone got to say? yeah i mean got anything to say? yeah i mean , i got anything to say? yeah i mean a i inina— got anything to say? yeah i mean a i inina ine— got anything to say? yeah i mean , i think the truth— got anything to say? yeah i mean , i think the truth is— got anything to say? yeah i mean , i think the truth is that osinoiiy— , i think the truth is that actually those - , i think the truth is that actually those kind of attitudes nnen— actually those kind of attitudes nnen iney— actually those kind of attitudes when they prevailed far more sirongiy— when they prevailed far more sirongiy a— when they prevailed far more sirongiy a oio— when they prevailed far more strongly , did lead to a lot of strongly, did lead to a lot of people- — strongly, did lead to a lot of people- ii— strongly, did lead to a lot of people- ii iney— strongly, did lead to a lot of people. �*7 rar'rirri; people. if they were, for example , a woman being abused by example, a woman being abused by their husband, feeling that they would be letting down expectations. when you say that thatis expectations. when you say that that is the way that things have to be, you get people who get into terrible pickles, whether they romantically fall out or something more as something far more serious as abuse. can't that . abuse. and they can't do that. and the same time, danny and then at the same time, danny kruger leith, off, kruger, prue leith, sun off, bake off those who

bake off for those who don't know, has also voted against know, he has also voted against and argued against gay people being able to have same sex marriages . being able to have same sex marriages. so he being able to have same sex marriages . so he believes being able to have same sex marriages. so he believes in marriages. so he believes in marriage for people like him, but not for people like me. i actually think marriage is a really useful institution. so why is he against it? are you against that? i'm just so taken aback. although against that? i'm just so taken aback . although i'm not shocked. aback. although i'm not shocked. i'm aback. although i'm not shocked. i-m noi— aback. although i'm not shocked. i'm not surprised,— f although i'm not shocked. i'm not surprised, really, that geome— i'm not surprised, really, that people eem— i'm not surprised, really, that people io— i'm not surprised, really, that people seem to find it so oiiensive— people seem to find it so offensive that— people seem to find it so offensive that someone would snggesi— offensive that someone would suggest inor— offensive that someone would suggest inoi o— offensive that someone would suggest that a mother and father is a beneficial— suggest that a mother and father is a beneficial way— suggest that a mother and father is a beneficial way to live your iiie— is a beneficial way to live your iiie ono— is a beneficial way to live your iiie ono io— is a beneficial way to live your life and to support children. yes:— life and to support children. yes nnere— life and to support children. yes, there are— life and to support children. yes, there are other people who nsoose— yes, there are other people who choose different— yes, there are other people who choose different ,_ yes, there are other people who choose different , different ways choose different, different ways of choose different, different ways oi iiving— choose different, different ways oi iiving ono— choose different, different ways of living and different ways of iorming— of living and different ways of iorming o— of living and different ways of forming a family.— of living and different ways of forming a family. but leo, don't you— forming a family. but leo, don't you inina— forming a family. but leo, don't you min is— forming a family. but leo, don't you think it's just— forming a family. but leo, don't you think it's just so ridiculous- you think it's just so ridiculous this strong backlash? neon— ridiculous this strong backlash? neona i— ridiculous this strong backlash? neona i meona— ridiculous this strong backlash? yeah, i mean, i'm— ridiculous this strong backlash? yeah, i mean, i'm not i'm not snoriseo. — yeah, i mean, i'm not i'm not snoriseo. in— yeah, i mean, i'm not i'm not surprised. in 2023,- yeah, i mean, i'm not i'm not surprised. “ $2025 “g surprised. in 2023, something that would just be a normal thing to say. 20 years ago is suddenly the most outrageously offensive. far right, far right thing. and i mean regarding i don't agree with him on on gay marriage. i mean, i think gay marriage. i mean, i think gay marriage should many people voted against gay marriage. so

he may a different view he may have a different view non-ioni— he may have a different view now. .don't know. - he may have a different view now. don't know. we don't now. we don't know. we don't anon— now. we don't know. we don't anon nnoi— now. we don't know. we don't anon nnoi ne— now. we don't know. we don't know what he thinks. i think gay momoge— know what he thinks. i think gay marriage should— know what he thinks. i think gay marriage should actually be monooiory— marriage should actually be mandatory i mandatory for you, benjamin. i inim— mandatory for you, benjamin. i ininalsnonio— mandatory for you, benjamin. i thinklshould be— mandatory for you, benjamin. i think should be punishment think it should be a punishment for but but what do you for you. but but what do you mean, a punishment- but what do you mean, a punishment for his poieniioi— potential partner or benjamin? it potential partner or benjamin? ii—ony— potential partner or benjamin? ii—ony sense- it doesn't make any sense. there's reason nobody calls there's a reason nobody calls you leo cursive, because that's completely off. how many of these you make up? that was these did you make up? that was these did you make up? that was the fourth these did you make up? that was one ionnn ono— these did you make up? that was the fourth and final. _ these did you make up? that was the fourth and final. did- these did you make up? that was the fourth and final. did you pee? oio— the fourth and final. did you pee? on yon— the fourth and final. did you pee? did you pee?- the fourth and final. j r: 7 did you pee? somebody on pee? did you pee? somebody on river— pee? did you pee? somebody on river ior— pee? did you pee? somebody on fiverr for these? _ 7 did you pee? somebody on fiverr for these? /rir ”c: grir “g fiverr for these? you're going to get rude after that one, i think. yeah. i mean i've i've got a baby. i'm raising the baby niin— got a baby. i'm raising the baby win my— got a baby. i'm raising the baby win my niie— got a baby. i'm raising the baby with my wife as— got a baby. i'm raising the baby with my wife as just— grin i'm raising the baby with my wife as just like grir i'm raising the baby with my wife as just like just iiae— with my wife as just like just iiae niiier— with my wife as just like just like hitler would do. so. yeah i meona|inina— like hitler would do. so. yeah i mean,ithink it's— like hitler would do. so. yeah i mean, think it's ridiculous mean, i think it's ridiculous inoia— mean, i think it's ridiculous snot-anon— mean, i think it's ridiculous that, know, having that, you know, just having a irony— that, you know, just having a irony-sioying— that, you know, just having a irony-sioying in- that, you know, just having a baby-staying in a- that, you know, just having a baby staying in a marriage baby and staying in a marriage can-seen as far— baby and staying in a marriage can seen as far right. can be seen as far right. i mean, definitely going to mean, i'm definitely going to one— mean, i'm definitely going to one ine— mean, i'm definitely going to and the reason— mean, i'm definitely going to and the reason why i say it can be and the reason why i say it can is seen— and the reason why i say it can is os ior— and the reason why i say it can be seen as far right is because im — be seen as far right is because im .going— be seen as far right is because i-m-going io— be seen as far right is because i'm .going to name- be seen as far right is because i'm going to name any names, i'm not going to name any names, but i'm not going to name any names, ion-ossnseo— i'm not going to name any names, but-accused of— i'm not going to name any names, but accused of having but i was accused of having viens— but i was accused of having inor— but i was accused of having views that belonged in 1930 and for views that belonged in 1930 and ion being— views that belonged in 1930 and ion ieinglrigni— views that belonged in 1930 and for being-right for— views that belonged in 1930 and for being right for saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily right for saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is'ight for saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is a ht for saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is a good saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is a good basisg views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is a good basis for that family is a good basis for a that family is a good basis for o-io— that family is a good basis for a-to function. - that family is a good basis for a-to function. yes,- a society to function. yes, oior-s— a society to function. yes, inoi-s nnoi— a society to function. yes, that's what said. and it was that's what you said. and it was wrong the person to call you

wrong of the person to call you a for that. but that's not it didn't use the word. that's not what not that's not what that's not what that's not what that's not what that's not what kruger said. what what danny kruger said. what danny was, is that danny kruger said was, is that a normative family is the only possible basis for a safe and functioning society . the only functioning society. the only possible basis for a safe and functioning society. that is what is offensive, because there are hundreds, if not thousands, if not millions of people in this country who do not come from as a basis. i finish my point as a basis. can i finish my point? who do not come from normative families ? and to say normative families? and to say that the only possible basis for normative families? and to say tisafeie only possible basis for normative families? and to say tisafe andily possible basis for normative families? and to say tisafe and functioning basis for normative families? and to say tisafe and functioning societyr a safe and functioning society is that you have the privilege of two parents who are of having two parents who are married, stayed together. married, who stayed together. a privilege didn't have privilege that i didn't have that i did have that i wish i did have is offensive . and actually, think offensive. and actually, i think if the conservative want to package up 20th century social conservatism and sell it in the 21st century, it's not going to do very well. i wonder because you— do very well. i wonder because you soio— do very well. i wonder because you soio inor— do very well. i wonder because you said that you— do very well. i wonder because you said that you wish- r:rir arig iwonder because you said that you wish not to go inro— you said that you wish not to go inio yon— you said that you wish not to go into your personal— you said that you wish not to go into your personal background too into your personal background ioo-in— into your personal background ioo-in-oio- into your personal background too-but-did just. into your personal background too but did just say too much, but you did just say i nono— too much, but you did just say i wont nove— too much, but you did just say i would have preferred to have had two would have preferred to have had ins-poems.— would have preferred to have had two-parents. isn't- would have preferred to have had two parents. isn't that

two married parents. isn't that win— two married parents. isn't that win nes— two married parents. isn't that what he's saying?— two married parents. isn't that what he's saying? that it is the oniimoi— what he's saying? that it is the ooiimoi ming— what he's saying? that it is the optimal thing that he said inner— optimal thing that he said rather than— optimal thing that he said rather than basis based ? es i.e. rather than basis based? es i.e. someining— rather than basis based? es i.e. someining io— rather than basis based? es i.e. something to build upon a sosieiy— something to build upon a sosieiy io— something to build upon a society to build upon the motoriiy— society to build upon the motoriry oi— society to build upon the majority of people . hopefully majority of people. hopefully noving— majority of people. hopefully noving inor— majority of people. hopefully having that kind of way of way of having that kind of way of way oi iiving— having that kind of way of way oi iiving is— having that kind of way of way of living is that— having that kind of way of way of living is that a— having that kind of way of way of living is that a really, reoiiy— of living is that a really, really controversial thing? you insi— really controversial thing? you insi ogreeo— really controversial thing? you just agreed with— really controversial thing? you just agreed with him? albie do i soon— just agreed with him? albie do i sound bigoted? _ just agreed with him? albie do i sound bigoted? r: r: sound bigoted? say i did not just you said i'd prefer to have had. of course it would have been my preference to have had my parents stay together. but clearly, it's not the only possible to have a safe possible basis to have a safe and functioning society, because here functioning fine. we here i am functioning fine. we know, we know. and “rtrir“ “g �*7 we know, we know. and people have ioero— know, we know. and people have romeo-mis— know, we know. and people have looked-this. many- know, we know. and people have looked this. many viewers looked into this. many viewers viii— looked into this. many viewers viii-.— looked into this. many viewers viii-. ne— looked into this. many viewers will-. we know- looked into this. many viewers will . we know that, will know that. we know that, unfortunately, _ will know that. we know that, unfortunately, from will know that. we know that, unfortufamilies from will know that. we know that, unfortufamilies are from will know that. we know that, unfortufamilies are more)m will know that. we know that, unfortufamilies are more likely broken families are more likely to broken families are more likely io oo— broken families are more likely io oo nose— broken families are more likely to do worse at— broken families are more likely to do worse at school and end up in — to do worse at school and end up in ano— to do worse at school and end up in crime. and this— to do worse at school and end up in crime. and this is— to do worse at school and end up in crime. and this is not someining— in crime. and this is not something that means to say that every— something that means to say that every sniie— something that means to say that every child who's— something that means to say that every child who's from a broken iomiiy— every child who's from a broken iomiiy is— every child who's from a broken iomiiy is going— every child who's from a broken family is going to— every child who's from a broken family is going to end up that voy— family is going to end up that noy. si— family is going to end up that noy. oi sonse— family is going to end up that way. of course not. but i think we snonio— way. of course not. but i think we snonio ie— way. of course not. but i think we should be .only- way. of course not. but i think we should be only possible we should be the only possible iosisa— we should be the only possible iosisaliie— we should be the only possible iosisaliie — we should be the only possible basis,.it? but— we should be the only possible basis,.it? but it— we should be the only possible basis,.it? but it is- we should be the only possible basis, it? e basis, is it? but it is the best basis. it is the best- basis. it is the best foundation,- it is the best foundation, the only possible. on— foundation, the only possible. ion-sonse— foundation, the only possible. but-course, it's— foundation, the only possible.

but course, it's not the only but of course, it's not the only nossiiie— but of course, it's not the only possible basis. _ but of course, it's not the only possible basis. i— but of course, it's not the only possible basis. r: sagiiri possible basis. i disagree with, but reacting. that's but i am. i'm reacting. that's fine. with danny fine. you disagree with danny kruger, that's fine. but i am reacting more to the ridiculous overreaction and overreaction to his comments and the idea family is the idea that family is something shouldn't, you something that we shouldn't, you know, far know, talk about positively far right albie no, think that's i right albie no, i think that's i think a nonsense comment. think that's a nonsense comment. but think it's but equally, i think it's somoieieiy— but equally, i think it's. completely _for but equally, i think it's- completely _for people but equally, i think it's- co be letely _for people but equally, i think it's- co be offended _for people but equally, i think it's- co be offended by-for people but equally, i think it's co be offended by someoneieople but equally, i think it's co be offended by someone saying to be offended by someone saying the to be offended by someone saying ine oniy— to be offended by someone saying the only possible— to be offended by someone saying the only possible basis for a soie— the only possible basis for a safe-functioning- the only possible basis for a safe functioning society are safe and functioning society are ono— safe and functioning society are men and women to get married and nove— men and women to get married and ion saiisiren— men and women to get married and ion sniioren. i— men and women to get married and have children. i wonder if it'll be ren— have children. i wonder if it'll be ien yeors— have children. i wonder if it'll be ten years since— have children. i wonder if it'll be ten years since the tories nosseo— be ten years since the tories oosseo some— be ten years since the tories passed same marriage i passed same sex marriage and i inina— passed same sex marriage and i min is— passed same sex marriage and i think it's disgusting that conservative— think it's disgusting that conservative this conservative mp is saying this in—oi- conservative mp is saying this in—oi oiia| in 2023. i mean, first of all, i inina— in 2023. i mean, first of all, i ininaiiooa— in 2023. i mean, first of all, i think-look like— in 2023. i mean, first of all, i think-look like a- think we look like a dysfunctional family. i hate the serm— dysfunctional family. i hate the ierm irern— dysfunctional family. i hate the term broken family because some of term broken family because some oi inose— term broken family because some of those families— term broken family because some of those families are fixed by nor— of those families are fixed by not-together. - of those families are fixed by- not-together. .enough. not being together. fair enough. but ahead, we've going to but still ahead, we've going to have to finish on that one. still ahead, we lock horns. we're going lock horns over we're going to lock horns over benjamin's far benjamin's view that we need far more britain's more houses on britain's greenbelt. won't want to more houses on britain's greerit. lt. won't want to more houses on britain's greerit. you're won't want to more houses on britain's greerit. you're thei't want to more houses on britain's greerit. you're the saturday) miss it. you're the saturday five on .

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. it is time for our next and final debate. it's benjamin and final debate. it's benjamin and he's going to tell us about why we should be building more houses on the greenbelt. off you 90, houses on the greenbelt. off you go, benjamin. well, everyone's iovoniie— go, benjamin. well, everyone's iovoniie-oi— go, benjamin. well, everyone's favourite-of the— go, benjamin. well, everyone's favourite .of the show. - grir “ well, everyone's favourite of the show. good favourite part of the show. good evening— favourite part of the show. good evening, boomers— favourite part of the show. good evening, boomers .— favourite part of the show. good evening, boomers . you ruined evening, boomers. you ruined inis— evening, boomers. you ruined inis sonny.— evening, boomers. you ruined this country. you— evening, boomers. you ruined this country. you benefited oiien— this country. you benefited oiier ine— this country. you benefited after the war— this country. you benefited after the war from a booming soomy— after the war from a booming economy , from _ after the war from a booming economy , from millions of new economy, from millions of new nones— economy, from millions of new nomes a— economy, from millions of new nomes a irom — economy, from millions of new nomes a iron on— economy, from millions of new homes , from an economy that was homes, from an economy that was going— homes, from an economy that was going ior— homes, from an economy that was doing far better— homes, from an economy that was doing far better and— homes, from an economy that was doing far better and getting risien— doing far better and getting risner. ano— doing far better and getting richer. and yet— doing far better and getting richer. and yet now , as your richer. and yet now, as your iives— richer. and yet now, as your iives oe— richer. and yet now, as your lives are winding down, too many noni— lives are winding down, too many noni io— lives are winding down, too many noni io nnii— lives are winding down, too many wont to pull nn— lives are winding down, too many want to pull up the— lives are winding down, too many want to pull up the ladder. from my generorion— want to pull up the ladder. from my generoiion .— want to pull up the ladder. from my generation . and nowhere is my generation. and nowhere is inor— my generation. and nowhere is inoi moe— my generation. and nowhere is that more evident— my generation. and nowhere is that more evident than in nonsing. — that more evident than in housing. yes,— that more evident than in housing. yes, i'm talking about the housing. yes, i'm talking about one green— housing. yes, i'm talking about the green belt.— housing. yes, i'm talking about the green belt. it— housing. yes, i'm talking about the green belt. it keeps getting bigger.— the green belt. it keeps getting bigger neopre— the green belt. it keeps getting bigger. people think this is our ieoniini— bigger. people think this is our ieoniini a— bigger. people think this is our beautiful , pleasant land. it's beautiful, pleasant land. it's ooniieo— beautiful, pleasant land. it's ooniieo in— beautiful, pleasant land. it's doubled in the— beautiful, pleasant land. it's doubled in the last 20 or 30 yeors— doubled in the last 20 or 30 yeors irom — doubled in the last 20 or 30 years from 6%_ doubled in the last 20 or 30 years from 6% of— doubled in the last 20 or 30 years from 6% of the country to 13. years from 6% of the country to is. noomes— years from 6% of the country to 13. boomers are— years from 6% of the country to 13. boomers are controlling nnere— 13. boomers are controlling

nnere neopre— 13. boomers are controlling where people can live, and it's meoning— where people can live, and it's meoning inor— where people can live, and it's meaning that house prices are out meaning that house prices are on oi— meaning that house prices are on oi reosn— meaning that house prices are out of reach for— meaning that house prices are out of reach for people like me now. even keir— out of reach for people like me now. even keir starmer and nisnoei— now. even keir starmer and michael gove— now. even keir starmer and michael gove have found some ogreemeni— michael gove have found some ogreemeni on— michael gove have found some agreement on this— michael gove have found some agreement on this keir starmer i inongni— agreement on this keir starmer i inongni os— agreement on this keir starmer i thought was really— agreement on this keir starmer i thought was really brave this neea— thought was really brave this neea nnen— thought was really brave this week when he _ thought was really brave this week when he said it's time to onio— week when he said it's time to mini on— week when he said it's time to mini on ine— week when he said it's time to build on the green belt. you anon— build on the green belt. you anon nnoi— build on the green belt. you anon nnoi i— build on the green belt. you know what i say— build on the green belt. you know what i say is what do we nonre— know what i say is what do we want? concrete?— know what i say is what do we want? concrete? where do we want it ? want? concrete? where do we want is e ions— want? concrete? where do we want is e iois moe— want? concrete? where do we want it ? lots more places— want? concrete? where do we want it ? lots more places because the it? lots more places because the inn— it? lots more places because the inn is— it? lots more places because the inn is inor— it? lots more places because the truth is that we— it? lots more places because the truth is that we don't have enongn— truth is that we don't have enough houses— truth is that we don't have enough houses in this country. non— enough houses in this country. you anon— enough houses in this country. you anona yon— enough houses in this country. you know, you have local sonnsiis— you know, you have local councils around britain who are sseo io— councils around britain who are more scared to look at the green ieii— more scared to look at the green ieii inon— more scared to look at the green belt than phillip— more scared to look at the green belt than phillip schofield is. to belt than phillip schofield is. io iooa— belt than phillip schofield is. io on or— belt than phillip schofield is. to look at his— belt than phillip schofield is. to look at his twitter mentions -_why_ to look at his twitter mentions .—nny ne- to look at his twitter mentions .—nny we need- to look at his twitter mentions ._why we need to. . and that is why we need to snonge— . and that is why we need to snonge-ne— . and that is why we need to change-we need- . and that is why we need to change we need to have change this. we need to have a siinoiion— change this. we need to have a situation where— change this. we need to have a situation where we— change this. we need to have a situation where we stop thinking that situation where we stop thinking inoi ine— situation where we stop thinking inoi one green— situation where we stop thinking that the green belt cannot be nnii— that the green belt cannot be iniii on— that the green belt cannot be built on how— that the green belt cannot be built on how much of this sonny— built on how much of this sonnrry oo— built on how much of this country do you- built on how much of this country do you think has housing on ire— country do you think has housing on in none— country do you think has housing on it? you're probably thinking 50, on it? you're probably thinking on so. — on it? you're probably thinking on so. ies— on it? you're probably thinking on so. iei me— on it? you're probably thinking 50, 60. let me tell you, it's noi— 50, 60. let me tell you, it's noi yon— 50, 60. let me tell you, it's not your time— 50, 60. let me tell you, it's not your time ,_ 50, 60. let me tell you, it's not your time , leo. it's1.3% of not your time, leo. it's1.3% of ine— not your time, leo. it's1.3% of one sonny— not your time, leo. it's1.3% of the country has— not your time, leo. it's1.3% of the country has housing on it. its— the country has housing on it. is im— the country has housing on it. its iiny .— the country has housing on it. is tiny . ine— the country has housing on it. it's tiny . the truth is that we it's tiny. the truth is that we need — it's tiny. the truth is that we need io — it's tiny. the truth is that we need io rin— it's tiny. the truth is that we need to in no— it's tiny. the truth is that we need to rip up planning rules. we need to rip up planning rules. one need— need to rip up planning rules. one need io— need to rip up planning rules. we need to ignore the nimbys.

inose— we need to ignore the nimbys. inose neopre— we need to ignore the nimbys. those people that say, not in my iosayoroa— those people that say, not in my iosayoroa ono— those people that say, not in my backyard, and we— those people that say, not in my backyard, and we need to start the backyard, and we need to start one oiggers— backyard, and we need to start one oiggers on— backyard, and we need to start the diggers on building across oriioin— the diggers on building across oriioin .— the diggers on building across britain . now.— the diggers on building across britain . now. leo, it's your britain. now. leo, it's your inn— britain. now. leo, it's your inn . — britain. now. leo, it's your turn . benjamin.- britain. now. leo, it's your turn. “ �*jajaj’xa britain. now. leo, it's your turn . “ �*jajaj’xa r:rir britain. now. leo, it's your- turn . benjamin. why do you need turn. benjamin. why do you need a house? i mean, you're clearly happy with living in a skip . happy with living in a skip. also, the left have really changed. i mean, you used to be all about protecting the environment, and now you just want to concrete over all of it to accommodate all the people you want to bring into the country. well, you want to bring into the country . well, i mean, you live country. well, i mean, you live reno— country. well, i mean, you live reni iree— country. well, i mean, you live reni iree in— country. well, i mean, you live reni iree in my— country. well, i mean, you live rent free in my head- rt.rir. well, i mean, you live rent free in my head judging by this rent free in my head judging by inis evening.— rent free in my head judging by this evening. but— rent free in my head judging by this evening. but look, i'm not the this evening. but look, i'm not one one— this evening. but look, i'm not the one sitting— this evening. but look, i'm not the one sitting at— this evening. but look, i'm not the one sitting at home making up the one sitting at home making no issaome— the one sitting at home making up nicknames for— the one sitting at home making up nicknames for you. i only sat nere— up nicknames for you. i only sat nee—nni— up nicknames for you. i only sat nee—on yon- here doing that. but you know, the here doing that. but you know, one-is— here doing that. but you know, the-is-actually- here doing that. but you know, the is actually this the truth is that actually this myri— the truth is that actually this myin-is— the truth is that actually this myin-is oii— the truth is that actually this myth is all beautiful myth that it is all beautiful sonnirysioea— myth that it is all beautiful countryside, that the lake countryside, that it's the lake ioisirisi— countryside, that it's the lake district cotswolds , it's district or the cotswolds, it's insi— district or the cotswolds, it's toss-ano— district or the cotswolds, it's just and actually, district or the cotswolds, it's- just-and actually, why just nonsense. and actually, why snonio— just nonsense. and actually, why snonio neopre— just nonsense. and actually, why should people-me- just nonsense. and actually, why should people me have, you should people like me have, you anon— should people like me have, you anonalionoon— should people like me have, you know,.london it's— should people like me have, you know, london it's like five, know, in london it's like five, aeovooo— know, in london it's like five, £600a000la_ know, in london it's like five, £600,000 a small flat. we £600,000 for a small flat. we son-i— £600,000 for a small flat. we sons-iiae— £600,000 for a small flat. we can't-like this. - £600,000 for a small flat. we can't like this. “fwy? £600,000 for a small flat. we can't like this. �*jajajj’“«a7’ �*jajaj’xa can't go on like this. why? why oon-i— can't go on like this. why? why oon-i ne— can't go on like this. why? why don't we build on brownfield sites instead? and the government, has got government, the state has got lots buildings . lots of unused buildings. there's lots industrial areas there's lots of industrial areas that can be be rejuvenated that can be can be rejuvenated and they're close to the facilities that houses actually

need. instead of building valuable. darren wants the time. i valuable. darren wants the time. ilosinoiiy— valuable. darren wants the time. ilosinoiiy ogree— valuable. darren wants the time. i.actually agree on— valuable. darren wants the time. i.actually agree on the- darren wants the time. i actually agree on the point i do actually agree on the point of i do actually agree on the point oi nnoi-s— i do actually agree on the point of what's classified as greenieii— of what's classified as greenbelt. in- of what's classified as greenbelt. in cases of what's classified as- greenbelt. in _cases is greenbelt. in some cases is iiae— greenbelt. in some cases is iiae o— greenbelt. in some cases is insane. like a disused car wash, for insane. like a disused car wash, ior example-— insane. like a disused car wash, for example. but— insane. like a disused car wash, for example. but but what i nono— for example. but but what i wont soy— for example. but but what i wont soy is— for example. but but what i would say is i— for example. but but what i would say is i think it's really osinoiiy— would say is i think it's really osinoiiy goite— would say is i think it's really actually quite offensive. and if i actually quite offensive. and if i son— actually quite offensive. and if i sonne— actually quite offensive. and if i can sound like— actually quite offensive. and if i can sound like a— actually quite offensive. and if i can sound like a snowflake for a i can sound like a snowflake for o momeni— i can sound like a snowflake for o momeni io— i can sound like a snowflake for a moment to the— i can sound like a snowflake for a moment to the people that were paying— a moment to the people that were toying tonne— a moment to the people that were paying double digit— a moment to the people that were paying double digit interest roses— paying double digit interest roies ior— paying double digit interest rates for their— paying double digit interest rates for their mortgages , that rates for their mortgages, that nomen— rates for their mortgages, that women neiiy— rates for their mortgages, that worked pretty hard, actually, to seoei— worked pretty hard, actually, to seoei o— worked pretty hard, actually, to create a better— worked pretty hard, actually, to create a better life for themselves- create a better life for themselves and to pass to on men— themselves and to pass to on their children. _ themselves and to pass to on their children. but they're not tossing— their children. but they're not oossing ii— their children. but they're not posing in — their children. but they're not passing it on. struggling osinoiiy— passing it on. struggling actually struggling. in the posi— actually struggling. in the post iney— actually struggling. in the past, they went through the what happened— past, they went through the what noooeneo in— past, they went through the what noooeneo in ine— past, they went through the what happened in the 1970s because of yon— happened in the 1970s because of yon aimi— happened in the 1970s because of yon aino oi— happened in the 1970s because of your kind of economics. �*jajerigl your kind of economics. well, i non-i— your kind of economics. well, i non-i nove— your kind of economics. well, i non-i nove o— your kind of economics. well, i won't have a liz— your kind of economics. well, i won't have a liz truss supporter talking about that, but you sound like liz truss, though. actually, benjamin, she's for all actually, benjamin, she's for oii rigging— actually, benjamin, she's for all ripping up— actually, benjamin, she's for all ripping up all the planning regs.— all ripping up all the planning regs-insi— all ripping up all the planning regs-toss io- all ripping up all the planning regs-toss io ie- regs. but look, just to be clear ionising— regs. but look, just to be clear iniioinga i— regs. but look, just to be clear building, i think— regs. but look, just to be clear building, i think so many people in inis— building, i think so many people in mm sonny— building, i think so many people in this country so— building, i think so many people in this country so many people of in this country so many people oi-generoiiona— in this country so many people of-generation, i'm- in this country so many people of generation, i'm not of that generation, i'm not soying— of that generation, i'm not soying-oion-i- of that generation, i'm not saying didn't work hard and saying they didn't work hard and iney—oismissl they didn't have to say dismiss inem — they didn't have to say dismiss inem -oion-i— they didn't have to say dismiss them _didn't have- them as they didn't have discipline. _ them as they didn't have discipline. iknow they you

discipline. i know they did. you know, grandparents were know, my late grandparents were to let landlords and they to buy let landlords and they worked very for a moderate worked very hard for a moderate income. i from income. so i come from a background that but background that has that, but they're it on to they're not passing it on to their children because the market is warped. and the truth is the average rent this week outside over outside of london went over £1,000 a month. so where are people meant the money to people meant to get the money to buy these houses? and wouldn't buy these houses? and i wouldn't mind weren't blocking mind if they weren't blocking house in towns and house building, but in towns and cities across these country , cities across these country, people who moved into new builds 30, 40, 50 years ago won't let any new builds turn up. well, look, let's reduce immigration, benjamin. that's the answer. i inina— benjamin. that's the answer. i inina inoi-s— benjamin. that's the answer. i inina inoi-s o— benjamin. that's the answer. i think that's a really— “ that's the answer. i think that's a really lazy ooms.— think that's a really lazy ooini. ii— think that's a really lazy ooini. ii is— think that's a really lazy point. it is not- think that's a really lazy point. it is not what and will point. it is not what and i will reli— point. it is not what and i will ieii yon— point. it is not what and i will ieii yon-i— point. it is not what and i will tell you _1 million- point. it is not what and i will tell you _1 million ipp.i tell you why. 1 million ipp. i'll tell you why. it's a lazy point because actually, even if we stopped immigration tomorrow and immigration, we and had net zero immigration, we would still have a massive housing shortage. now, of course, course we wouldn't be course, of course we wouldn't be making the problem worse. continue about to say. continue to, i was about to say. but course, continued mass but of course, continued mass migration just exacerbates the situation. but the point is, benjamin is right. situation. but the point is, benjamin is right . we need to be benjamin is right. we need to be building more houses and

actually there aren't enough brownfield sites to build all the houses that we need. so yes, we will need to build in some greenfield areas. what i would propose is building around train stations in the green belt which are just surrounded by fields. well, i think why not do that? who needs fields ? we get our who needs fields? we get our iooo— who needs fields? we get our iooo irom — who needs fields? we get our food from tesco's._ who needs fields? we get our food from tesco's. forget 1.3% of food from tesco's. forget 1.3% oi ine— food from tesco's. forget 1.3% oi ine sonny— food from tesco's. forget 1.3% of the country is— food from tesco's. forget 1.3% of the country is built upon. neu— of the country is built upon. neii yeor— of the country is built upon. neii not in— of the country is built upon. well yeah but forget- of the country is built upon. well yeah but forget building jerusalem fields. that's an awful jerusalem fields. that's an onini ioi. — jerusalem fields. that's an awful lot. no— jerusalem fields. that's an awful lot. no the- jerusalem fields. that's an awful lot. no the rest- : that's an awful lot. no the rest is. the resi— awful lot. no the rest is. the resi is— awful lot. no the rest is. the rest is countryside. the rest is iieios. — rest is countryside. the rest is iieios. iorm— rest is countryside. the rest is fields. rt.rir. r:ri fields. farm countryside. wilderness— fields. farm countryside. wilderness world - fields. rt.rir. r:ri wilderness world actually, most of-agriculture. _ wilderness world actually, most of-agriculture. yes- wilderness world actually, most of agriculture. “415th wilderness world actually, most of agriculture. j/ri;~;fa j/rir. of it's agriculture. yes. you anon— of it's agriculture. yes. you anon-ions— of it's agriculture. yes. you know, lots of that isn't know, and lots of that isn't even used. a lot of it is pretty rubbish land. i think a lot of people— rubbish land. i think a lot of people viii— rubbish land. i think a lot of people will agree— a“r: i think a lot of people will agree with me. i nisn— people will agree with me. i nisn ne— people will agree with me. i wish we didn't— people will agree with me. i wish we didn't need to build inis— wish we didn't need to build inis mony— wish we didn't need to build this many houses, if you do say so yonseii. — this many houses, if you do say so yourself. but— this many houses, if you do say so yourself. but it— this many houses, if you do say so yourself. . art. so yourself. but it the fact that we do need to build so many houses obviously need houses means obviously we need to the green belt to build on the green belt because where people because where else are people going live? i mean, because where else are people going live? imean, it's going to live? i mean, it's getting— going to live? i mean, it's getting ridiculous.- grin “g . rri;7’ i mean, it's getting ridiculous. as you say, the getting ridiculous. as you say, one renioi— getting ridiculous. as you say, the rental prices,— getting ridiculous. as you say, the rental prices, you say, the rental prices, as you say, ine— the rental prices, as you say, one nonse— the rental prices, as you say, the house prices,— the rental prices, as you say, the house prices, we do need to onio— the house prices, we do need to iniio ono— the house prices, we do need to iniio ono ne— the house prices, we do need to build and we need— the house prices, we do need to build and we need to build up as

veil— build and we need to build up as well ineli— build and we need to build up as well well so— build and we need to build up as well. well so instead of inning— well. well so instead of building jerusalem england's building jerusalem in england's green— building jerusalem in england's green io— building jerusalem in england's green so onio— building jerusalem in england's green to build birmingham going to build birmingham en masse-england's- going to build birmingham en masse england's green and masse, or in england's green and nieosoni— masse, or in england's green and nieosoni- — masse, or in england's green and nieosoni- neon.— masse, or in england's green and pleasant- yeah, i- masse, or in england's green and pleasant- yeah, i hope- masse, or in england's green and pleasant j/ri;a“ pleasant land. yeah, i hope so. what? i pleasant land. yeah, i hope so. wnoie i none— pleasant land. yeah, i hope so. what? i hope so. _ pleasant land. yeah, i hope so. what? i hope so. greece? no, i hope so. because what is the point in a country which can't house people? what is house its own people? what is the point when you have a generation who can't afford when they work all every day to they work all day, every day to have house? you know, we talk have a house? you know, we talk on we last on this programme we did last week this channel a lot week and this channel a lot about people not having enough kids. of the kids. it was a big theme of the national conservatism conference we mate, they're not we were at mate, they're not having can't having kids because they can't afford raise them in. afford a home to raise them in. yeah, it's one of the reasons. one the reasons. yeah and one of the reasons. yeah and osinoiiy.— one of the reasons. yeah and osinoiiy. oo— one of the reasons. yeah and actually, do you— one of the reasons. yeah and actually, do you know who spoke about housing in their national conservatism about housing in their national consenandn about housing in their national consenand i completely agreed kruger and i completely agreed with spoke with him. he actually spoke about he actually about danny. danny. he actually spoke the need there spoke about the need for there to be community trusts, which are owned by the people. are almost owned by the people. it sounds like a it sounds a bit like a cooperative, actually. this was being proposed chum being proposed by your chum danny kruger, and i think he's absolutely we to absolutely right. we need to come creative solutions come up with creative solutions to housing shortage, to the housing shortage, and i'm glad finally a topic glad that it's finally a topic that people are taking. i just

want to quickly make- “g ijust want to quickly make the point inor— want to quickly make the point inn-nosing— want to quickly make the point that hosting headliners that i'm hosting headliners ionigni— that i'm hosting headliners ionigni oi— that i'm hosting headliners ionigni oi ii— that i'm hosting headliners tonight at 11 pm. so tune in ior— tonight at 11 pm. so tune in ion-ne— tonight at 11 pm. so tune in ion-ne isa— tonight at 11 pm. so tune in for- he is, yes. - tonight at 11 pm. so tune in for he is, yes. \arirjraj for that. he is, yes. now, ions.— for that. he is, yes. now, ioias. o— for that. he is, yes. now, folks, a fantastic show. i'm for that. he is, yes. now, folkseveryoneatic show. i'm for that. he is, yes. now, folkseveryone agreesiv. i'm for that. he is, yes. now, folkseveryone agrees it'sm for that. he is, yes. now, folkseveryone agrees it's been sure everyone agrees it's been a spicy one. it's been tiring. nexi— spicy one. it's been tiring. next up, though, it's going to be dolan. thank you very be mark dolan. thank you very much for watching and emailing in hopefully we'll see in at home. hopefully we'll see you again next week. hello there. welcome gb news there. welcome to your gb news neoiner— there. welcome to your gb news neoiner-on— there. welcome to your gb news weather-on the- there. welcome to your gb news weather-on the met- weather forecast on the met siiise. — weather forecast on the met oiiiselsroig— weather forecast on the met office. craig snell, looking office. i'm craig snell, looking at office. i'm craig snell, looking oi—oi— office. i'm craig snell, looking oi—oi ine- at the second half of the neeaeno— at the second half of the weekend england and wales, weekend for england and wales, it's weekend for england and wales, its-io— weekend for england and wales, ii-s-io ie— weekend for england and wales, it's-to be another- weekend for england and wales, it's to be another fine it's going to be another fine one— it's going to be another fine omo-nni— it's going to be another fine omo-on ior- it's going to be another fine and but for scotland and dry day. but for scotland ono— and dry day. but for scotland and-ireland- and northern ireland we have inis— and northern ireland we have inis neoiner— and northern ireland we have this weather which will this weather front which will groonoiiy— gradually spread its way eastwards— gradually spread its way. eastwards—next gradually spread its way- eastwards_next 24 eastwards during the next 24 ions — eastwards during the next 24 ions siven— eastwards during the next 24 hours. given a— eastwards during the next 24 hours. given a spell of rain nee.— hours. given a spell of rain here-further- hours. given a spell of rain here. further south, the here. but further south, the ins— here. but further south, the fine-conditions,- fine and dry conditions, all sonnesy— fine and dry conditions, all courtesy-area- fine and dry conditions, all courtesy-area of- fine and dry conditions, all courtesy area of high courtesy of an area of high pressure. _end- courtesy of an area of high- pressure. _end saturday, pressure. so as we end saturday, we pressure. so as we end saturday, ne eno— pressure. so as we end saturday, we end on— pressure. so as we end saturday, we end on a fairly— pressure. so as we end saturday, we end on a fairly clear note across england— we end on a fairly clear note across england and wales. but inner— across england and wales. but ininer nonn— across england and wales. but further north you— across england and wales. but further north you can see this iono— further north you can see this ionolroin— further north you can see this band rain gradually spreading band of rain gradually spreading its band of rain gradually spreading ins-sonn— band of rain gradually spreading its south eastwards across its way south eastwards across ssoiiono— its way south eastwards across ssoiiono ono— its way south eastwards across scotland and northern ireland. ine— scotland and northern ireland. ine-inn— scotland and northern ireland. the-turn briefly- the rain could turn briefly neovya— the rain could turn briefly heavy,-across. the rain could turn briefly. heavy, - across the heavy, especially across the monnomsi— heavy, especially across the mountains scotland, but under mountains of scotland, but under the mountains of scotland, but under one-ono— mountains of scotland, but under one-omo rom— mountains of scotland, but under the-and rain, no— mountains of scotland, but under the and rain, no problems the cloud and rain, no problems nere— the cloud and rain, no problems here-temperatures- the cloud and rain, no problems here temperatures further here with temperatures further sonna — here with temperatures further sonna—gniie- south, it could turn quite sniiiy— south, it could turn quite sniiiyline— south, it could turn quite chilly the time of year, chilly for the time of year, esoesioiiy— chilly for the time of year, especially some especially across some prone spons— especially across some prone snois—onol especially across some prone- spots_and wales.

spots of the midlands and wales. but spots of the midlands and wales. on inor— spots of the midlands and wales. on inoi reoiiy— spots of the midlands and wales. but that really sets— spots of the midlands and wales. but that really sets us up for onoiner— but that really sets us up for onoiner-ooy— but that really sets us up for another day across england another fine day across england and another fine day across england no noies— another fine day across england and wales could— another fine day across england and wales could just see some ion— and wales could just see some ion siono— and wales could just see some low cloud from _ and wales could just see some low cloud from -to - and wales could just see some low cloud from to time, low cloud from time to time, insi— low cloud from time to time, toss-some— low cloud from time to time, just some eastern just affecting some eastern soosis— just affecting some eastern coasts-really- just affecting some eastern coasts really cloudy coasts. but really the cloudy saies— coasts. but really the cloudy skies reserved— coasts. but really the cloudy skies reserved for scotland and nonnern—roin- skies reserved for scotland and northern—rain willi northern ireland. the rain will neern— northern ireland. the rain will neernlne— northern ireland. the rain will weaken we approach the weaken as we approach the oiiernoon. — weaken as we approach the afternoon. that— weaken as we approach the afternoon. that may allow some irigniness— afternoon. that may allow some nigniness io— afternoon. that may allow some brightness to develop. but on the brightness to develop. but on one nnoiea— brightness to develop. but on the whole, best— brightness to develop. but on the whole, best of the sunshine inner— the whole, best of the sunshine inner-vene— the whole, best of the sunshine further-we're here,- the whole, best of the sunshine further we're here, we'll further south, we're here, we'll see temperatures— further south, we're here, we'll see temperatures reaching 21 or 22 degrees— see temperatures reaching 21 or 22 degrees into— see temperatures reaching 21 or 22 degrees into the evening. the rom— 22 degrees into the evening. the viii— 22 degrees into the evening. the rain will continue— 22 degrees into the evening. the rain will continue to break up. so rain will continue to break up. so some— rain will continue to break up. so lore— rain will continue to break up. so some late spells of sunshine possible— so some late spells of sunshine possible across— so some late spells of sunshine possible across parts of ssoiiono— possible across parts of scotland and- possible across parts of scotland and northern ireland. but scotland and northern ireland. on os— scotland and northern ireland. on os ne— scotland and northern ireland. on os we go— scotland and northern ireland. but as we go through the course of but as we go through the course oi ine— but as we go through the course oi ine nignia— but as we go through the course of the night, the— but as we go through the course of the night, the clearer skies reoiiy— of the night, the clearer skies reoiiy ososs— of the night, the clearer skies really across wales and southwest _ really across wales and- southwest—again, southwest england. so again, nee— southwest england. so again, here-another- southwest england. so again, here another chilly here could be another chilly nigni— here could be another chilly nigni io— here could be another chilly night to come.— here could be another chilly night to come. the cloud remoining— night to come. the cloud remaining thickest across eosien— remaining thickest across eastern scotland . and as we eastern scotland. and as we oonoosn— eastern scotland. and as we approach monday again eastern scotland. and as we- approach monday-again , approach monday morning again, we approach monday morning again, ne-siiii— approach monday morning again, ne-siiii see— approach monday morning again, we-still see some- approach monday morning again, we still see some patchy we could still see some patchy onineoas— we could still see some patchy outbreaks-but- we could still see some patchy outbreaks-but for- we could still see some patchy outbreaks but for most outbreaks of rain. but for most of outbreaks of rain. but for most oi nonooy— outbreaks of rain. but for most oi nonooy ne— outbreaks of rain. but for most of monday we do— outbreaks of rain. but for most of monday we do start the new noraing— of monday we do start the new noraing neea— of monday we do start the new working week on— of monday we do start the new working week on a fairly quiet noiea— working week on a fairly quiet note, some good— working week on a fairly quiet note, some good sunshine around, esnesioiiy— note, some good sunshine around, esoesioiiy ior— note, some good sunshine around, especially for western areas. none— especially for western areas. we reoiiy— especially for western areas. we reoiiy ii— especially for western areas. hope really it starts to improve as hope really it starts to improve os we go— hope really it starts to improve os we go inro— hope really it starts to improve as we go into the— hope really it starts to improve as we go into the afternoon across eastern— as we go into the afternoon across eastern scotland and that reoiiy— across eastern scotland and that reoiiy seis— across eastern scotland and that reoiiy seis ns— across eastern scotland and that

really sets us.for_ across eastern scotland and that really sets us.for a- across eastern scotland and that really sets us for a fairly really sets us up for a fairly oner— really sets us up for a fairly quiet spen— really sets us up for a fairly quiet soeii oi— really sets us up for a fairly quiet spell of weather for most of quiet spell of weather for most oi ns— quiet spell of weather for most oi ns os— quiet spell of weather for most oi ns os we go— quiet spell of weather for most of us as we go through the next ien— of us as we go through the next ien-inesooy— of us as we go through the next few tuesday wednesday. few days, tuesday and wednesday. iooa— few days, tuesday and wednesday. iooa very— few days, tuesday and wednesday. look very similar.— few days, tuesday and wednesday. look very similar. some good spells— spells of sunshine and in the snnsnine— spells of sunshine and in the sunshinelshould- spells of sunshine and in the sunshine should feel sunshine it should feel oieosoniiy— sunshine it should feel. pleasantly-there

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