the. saturday five. welcome - the. saturday five. welcome to the saturday the. saturday five.— welcome to the saturday five. the — welcome to the saturday five. the best— welcome to the saturday five. the best saturday night takeaway you could— the best saturday night takeaway you could order.— the best saturday night takeaway you could order. expect fiery debates— you could order. expect fiery debates ,— you could order. expect fiery debates , spicy— you could order. expect fiery debates , spicy opinions and debates, spicy opinions and a huge— debates, spicy opinions and a huge topping— debates, spicy opinions and a huge topping of_ debates, spicy opinions and a huge topping of fun every week . huge topping of fun every week. join— huge topping of fun every week. join amie— huge topping of fun every week. join albie emily— huge topping of fun every week. join albie emily benjamin and myself— join albie emily benjamin and myself elong— join albie emily benjamin and myself along with a guest star. tonight,— myself along with a guest star. tonight, ire— myself along with a guest star. tonight, it's the— myself along with a guest star. tonight, it's the one and only lee— tonight, it's the one and only lee keeee — tonight, it's the one and only leo kearse. now— tonight, it's the one and only leo kearse. xm leo kearse. now the premise of the show is very simple. each host gets to outline their argument about their chosen topic. then we all pile in and the first starts to fly. of course , we want to know your course, we want to know your views as well. please do get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.uk. before we gbviews@gbnews.uk. but before we start tearing each other apart, it is your saturday night news with addison . on thanks to with ray addison. on thanks to all five of with ray addison. on thanks to all five of you. — with ray addison. on thanks to all five of you. here's- with ray addison. on thanks to all five of you. here's the- all five of you. here's the latest.— all five of you. here's the latest. phillip— all five of you. here's the latest. phillip schofield says hee— latest. phillip schofield says he-e agreed— latest. phillip schofield says he's agreed to— latest. phillip schofield says he's agreed to step down from five— he's agreed to step down from we flagship— he's agreed to step down from itv's flagship daytime show this

morning— itv's flagship daytime show this morning wm.— itv's flagship daytime show this morning with immediate effect. itv morning with immediate effect. nv hee— morning with immediate effect. itv has confirmed— morning with immediate effect. itv has confirmed that he won't be returning— itv has confirmed that he won't be returning despite two decades at the— be returning despite two decades ah the hem— be returning despite two decades ah the hehh .— be returning despite two decades at the helm . with— be returning despite two decades at the helm . with last at the helm. with last thursday's— at the helm. with last thursday's show being his final episode— thursday's show being his final episode .— thursday's show being his final episode . (io—host— thursday's show being his final episode . (io—host holly episode. (io—host holly willoughbv_ episode. (io—host holly willoughby says she won't be heevhe. — willoughby says she won't be leaving- she-e— willoughby says she won't be leaving. she's responded by saving— leaving. she's responded by saying that— leaving. she's responded by saying that the— leaving. she's responded by saying that the sofa won't feel the same— saying that the sofa won't feel the same without— saying that the sofa won't feel the same without him. mr schehehe— the same without him. mr schofield posted on social media eeyhe— schofield posted on social media saying he— schofield posted on social media saying he wanted— schofield posted on social media saying he wanted to protect the programme— saying he wanted to protect the programme he— saying he wanted to protect the programme he loved. after his brother— programme he loved. after his mother ,— programme he loved. after his brother , timothy— programme he loved. after his brother , timothy schofield was brother, timothy schofield was jailed — brother, timothy schofield was jailed for— brother, timothy schofield was jailed for re— brother, timothy schofield was jailed for 12 years— brother, timothy schofield was jailed for 12 years after being commer— jailed for 12 years after being convicted of— jailed for 12 years after being convicted of child sex offences . horro— convicted of child sex offences . world leaders— convicted of child sex offences . world leaders have welcomed rrhrome-e— . world leaders have welcomed ukraine's president to the g7 summit— ukraine's president to the g7 eummh m— ukraine's president to the g7 summit in japan— ukraine's president to the g7 summit in japan . good to see you summit in japan. good to see you . horr— summit in japan. good to see you . how re— summit in japan. good to see you . how yore— summit in japan. good to see you . how are you? yeah,— summit in japan. good to see you . how are you? yeah, i'm- summit in japan. good to see you . how are you.7 yeah, i'm all right, thanks. volodymyr zeremhyy— right, thanks. volodymyr zelenskyy met- g volodymyr zelenskyy met with the uk's rhme— zelenskyy met with the uk's prime minister,— zelenskyy met with the uk's prime minister, rishi sunak , who prime minister, rishi sunak, who soro— prime minister, rishi sunak, who she rhe— prime minister, rishi sunak, who said the invite— prime minister, rishi sunak, who said the invite demonstrated the international— said the invite demonstrated the international community's ereorhoer— international community's steadfast support for ukraine memor— steadfast support for ukraine against russian— steadfast support for ukraine against russian aggression. rremeh— against russian aggression. french president emmanuel macron oeeehheo— french president emmanuel macron oeeehheo hm— french president emmanuel macron described his presence as a game ehomeer— described his presence as a game changer towards— described his presence as a game changer towards peace . well, changer towards peace. well, it's changer towards peace. well, he oe— changer towards peace. well, he as he—

changer towards peace. well, it's as the white— changer towards peace. well, it's as the white house approved mome— it's as the white house approved mom ro— it's as the white house approved mom to provide— it's as the white house approved plans to provide f—16 fighter ters— plans to provide f—16 fighter tere ro— plans to provide f—16 fighter jets to ukraine— plans to provide f—16 fighter jets to ukraine and to train its more — jets to ukraine and to train its pilots. president— jets to ukraine and to train its pilots. president zelenskyy has repeoreoh— pilots. president zelenskyy has repeatedly lobbied western ohree— repeatedly lobbied western otheeror— repeatedly lobbied western allies for air— repeatedly lobbied western allies for air support and homeo— allies for air support and hailed the— allies for air support and hailed the move as historic, saying— hailed the move as historic, saving h— hailed the move as historic, saving h rhu— hailed the move as historic, saying it will greatly enhance uhohe-e— saying it will greatly enhance ukraine's army— saying it will greatly enhance ukraine's army in the sky. the mom— ukraine's army in the sky. the mom ore— ukraine's army in the sky. the plans are expected to be rolled out h— plans are expected to be rolled out h rhe— plans are expected to be rolled out in the coming— plans are expected to be rolled out in the coming weeks and months,— out in the coming weeks and momrhe, hur— out in the coming weeks and months, but russia says it carries colossal- months, but russia says it carries colossal risks for the tree— carries colossal risks for the west .— carries colossal risks for the west . heu— carries colossal risks for the west . well labour is calling on west. well labour is calling on the prime— west. well labour is calling on the prime minister to investigate- the prime minister to investigate following claims thor— investigate following claims rhorrhe— investigate following claims that the home— investigate following claims that the home secretary asked erot— that the home secretary asked civil servants— that the home secretary asked civil servants to— that the home secretary asked civil servants to help her avoid geothe— civil servants to help her avoid eerrrme eheeorme— civil servants to help her avoid getting speeding points on her heemee— getting speeding points on her heemee .— getting speeding points on her licence . according to the sunday licence. according to the sunday hmee— licence. according to the sunday rrmee, seeth— licence. according to the sunday times, suella braverman asked home— times, suella braverman asked home orhee— times, suella braverman asked home office aides— times, suella braverman asked home office aides to organise a 1 home office aides to organise a rho— home office aides to organise a to r— home office aides to organise a to r driving— home office aides to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course other— 1 to 1 driving awareness course other ehe— 1 to 1 driving awareness course other ehe woe— 1 to 1 driving awareness course after she was caught speeding hoor— after she was caught speeding her summer— after she was caught speeding her .— after she was caught speeding last summer. when they after she was caught speeding last summer . when they refused, last summer. when they refused, she last summer. when they refused, ehe reportedly— last summer. when they refused, she reportedly asked a political othe— she reportedly asked a political oroe ro— she reportedly asked a political more to hem,— she reportedly asked a political aide to help, but— she reportedly asked a political aide to help, but ultimately decreed— aide to help, but ultimately oeeroeo ro— aide to help, but ultimately decided to accept the points. a source close to— decided to accept the points. a source close to mrs. braverman says— source close to mrs. braverman says he— source close to mrs. braverman says the speeding _ source close to mrs. braverman says the speeding ticket and arrangements— says the speeding ticket and arrangements for dealing with it reported— arrangements for dealing with it were reported to— arrangements for dealing with it were reported to the cabinet office— were reported to the cabinet office or— were reported to the cabinet office at the— were reported to the cabinet office at the time . counting is office at the time. counting is

continuing— office at the time. counting is continuing h— office at the time. counting is continuing in the— office at the time. counting is continuing in the local elections— continuing in the local elections in— continuing in the local elections in northern ireland, with— elections in northern ireland, with rees— elections in northern ireland, with less than— elections in northern ireland, with less than 20 seats left to declare— with less than 20 seats left to declare over. _ with less than 20 seats left to declare over. sinn— with less than 20 seats left to declare over. sinn fein has made errone— declare over. sinn fein has made strong germ— declare over. sinn fein has made strong germ ome— declare over. sinn fein has made strong gains and is— declare over. sinn fein has made strong gains and is on course to become— strong gains and is on course to heeome rhe— strong gains and is on course to become the largest— strong gains and is on course to become the largest party in room— become the largest party in local government, with 139 councillors.— local government, with 139 councillors. so _ local government, with 139 councillors. so far. the dup ourremrh— councillors. so far. the dup currently has— councillors. so far. the dup currently has 118— councillors. so far. the dup currently has 118 and the romance— currently has 118 and the alliance party- currently has 118 and the alliance party 65. it's the ther— alliance party 65. it's the first electoral— alliance party 65. it's the first electoral test for the homes— first electoral test for the parties since— first electoral test for the parties since last year's oeeemhh— parties since last year's assembly elections. also takes phoe— assembly elections. also takes home mother— assembly elections. also takes place against the— assembly elections. also takes place against the backdrop of the stormont_ place against the backdrop of the stormont stalemate and a meteor— the stormont stalemate and a meteor hoe— the stormont stalemate and a suspect has now— the stormont stalemate and a suspect has now been arrested after— suspect has now been arrested other soothe— suspect has now been arrested after scaling the— suspect has now been arrested after scaling the front of the hec— after scaling the front of the rec building— after scaling the front of the bbc building in— after scaling the front of the bbc building in central london in protest— bbc building in central london in protest against— bbc building in central london in protest against a historic mome— in protest against a historic statue earlier— in protest against a historic statue earlier on. the man had been— statue earlier on. the man had been seen hammering at the prospero— been seen hammering at the rroepero ome— been seen hammering at the prospero and ariel statue to which— prospero and ariel statue to which hoe— prospero and ariel statue to which has been— prospero and ariel statue to which has been on display since rheo- — which has been on display since rheo- shorth— which has been on display since 1933. shortly after— which has been on display since 1933. shortly after 6 pm. he was arrested— 1933. shortly after 6 pm. he was arrested on— 1933. shortly after 6 pm. he was arrested on suspicion of criminal— was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and going equipped.— criminal damage and going equipped. campaigners have been earthe— equipped. campaigners have been eorhme tor— equipped. campaigners have been eating for he— equipped. campaigners have been calling for the statues removal as he— calling for the statues removal as its sculptor— calling for the statues removal as its sculptor eric gill oomhreo— as its sculptor eric gill admitted in— as its sculptor eric gill admitted in his diaries that he

hoo— admitted in his diaries that he had sexually— admitted in his diaries that he had sexually abused his daughters— had sexually abused his daughters .— had sexually abused his daughters . we're on tv online , daughters. we're on tv online, on daughters. we're on tv online, om hoor— daughters. we're on tv online, om hohr moro— daughters. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and— daughters. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune in to the— on dab+ radio and on tune in to the re— on dab+ radio and on tune in to the he eh— on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news.— on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to the . sorurooy— this is gb news. back now to the . sorurooy the. — . saturday five. vee— . saturday five. yes it's - . saturday five. yes it's saturday night . saturday five. _ yes it's saturday night and you are yes it's saturday night and you rrhh— yes it's saturday night and you with he— yes it's saturday night and you are with the saturday five. i'm emily— are with the saturday five. i'm emily comer— are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and— are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and i— are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and i can- are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and i can promise you that you are in for a very lively hour. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. now, then, darren is going to give us his hot take on philip schofield's departure from itv's this morning. this is breaking news. so off you go, darren, your. yes, well, that's it, home— your. yes, well, that's it, home .— your. yes, well, that's it, home . rhe— your. yes, well, that's it, folks . the one- ” yes, well, that's it, folks . the one time king of folks. the one time king of hemme— folks. the one time king of ooyrrme reth— folks. the one time king of daytime telly has lost his crown. phillip— daytime telly has lost his crown. phillip schofield is out at crown. phillip schofield is out or the— crown. phillip schofield is out at this morning— crown. phillip schofield is out at this morning and presumably rrv-e— at this morning and presumably rrv-e dancing— at this morning and presumably itv's dancing on— at this morning and presumably itv's dancing on ice, too . he'll itv's dancing on ice, too. he'll torm— itv's dancing on ice, too. he'll torm homom— itv's dancing on ice, too. he'll join gordon the— itv's dancing on ice, too. he'll join gordon the gopher in tv rerrrememr— join gordon the gopher in tv rerrrememr .— join gordon the gopher in tv retirement . the— join gordon the gopher in tv retirement . the bombshell

retirement. the bombshell announcement— retirement. the bombshell announcement comes just one day after— announcement comes just one day other he— announcement comes just one day after his brother— announcement comes just one day after his brother ,_ announcement comes just one day after his brother , timothy after his brother, timothy sehohero— after his brother, timothy schofield was _ after his brother, timothy schofield was sentenced to 12 years— schofield was sentenced to 12 years rm— schofield was sentenced to 12 yeore rm homeom— schofield was sentenced to 12 years in prison for 11 counts of chie— years in prison for 11 counts of ehho eer— years in prison for 11 counts of child sex offences— years in prison for 11 counts of child sex offences . as schofield child sex offences. as schofield announced he _ child sex offences. as schofield announced he was— child sex offences. as schofield announced he was stepping down hom— announced he was stepping down from we— announced he was stepping down from itv's this— announced he was stepping down from itv's this morning after them— from itv's this morning after more than 20— from itv's this morning after more than 20 years. in a statement— more than 20 years. in a statement that- more than 20 years. in a statement that said, throughout my h— statement that said, throughout my h ry— statement that said, throughout my career in tv, including the very— my career in tv, including the very orthorh— my career in tv, including the very difficult last— my career in tv, including the very difficult last few days , very difficult last few days, rye— very difficult last few days, he always— very difficult last few days, i've always done my best to be homoerohre— i've always done my best to be honourable and— i've always done my best to be honourable and kind. i understand— honourable and kind. i understand that itv has decided the current— understand that itv has decided the current situation can't go ome— the current situation can't go ome r— the current situation can't go on, and i want— the current situation can't go on, and i want to— the current situation can't go on, and i want to do what i can to moreo— on, and i want to do what i can to protect rhe— on, and i want to do what i can to protect the show— on, and i want to do what i can to protect the show that i love. so to protect the show that i love. so r— to protect the show that i love. so r hove— to protect the show that i love. so i have agreed— to protect the show that i love. so i have agreed to step down hom— so i have agreed to step down from the— so i have agreed to step down from this morning— so i have agreed to step down from this morning with immediate effect— from this morning with immediate effect h— from this morning with immediate effect in he— from this morning with immediate effect in the hope— from this morning with immediate effect in the hope that the show can move forward— effect in the hope that the show can move forward to a bright furore.— can move forward to a bright turme- ro— can move forward to a bright future. i'd like— can move forward to a bright future. i'd like to— can move forward to a bright future. i'd like to thank eeoryme— future. i'd like to thank everyone who- future. i'd like to thank everyone who has supported me, especially— everyone who has supported me, especially the— everyone who has supported me, especially this morning's omozhe— especially this morning's amazing viewers, and i'll see you— amazing viewers, and i'll see you oh— amazing viewers, and i'll see you oh tor— amazing viewers, and i'll see you all for the— amazing viewers, and i'll see you all for the soap awards next month.— you all for the soap awards next month. now,— you all for the soap awards next month. now, or— you all for the soap awards next month. now, of course , schofield month. now, of course, schofield ome— month. now, of course, schofield ome wrhouehhy— month. now, of course, schofield and willoughby were said to be the hem— and willoughby were said to be the hem of— and willoughby were said to be the best of friends in separable. - the best of friends in separable. but in recent weeks, rheu— separable. but in recent weeks, rherr om— separable. but in recent weeks, rherr om eereem— separable. but in recent weeks, their on screen chemistry has

hooked— their on screen chemistry has looked about— their on screen chemistry has looked about as— their on screen chemistry has looked about as comfortable as a jeremy— looked about as comfortable as a jeremy roomm— looked about as comfortable as a jeremy paxman interview . it's jeremy paxman interview. it's been— jeremy paxman interview. it's been frostier_ jeremy paxman interview. it's been frostier than a pack of routes— been frostier than a pack of routes h— been frostier than a pack of frosties in a— been frostier than a pack of frosties in a freezer. it's been as rorrureu— frosties in a freezer. it's been as rorrureu oe— frosties in a freezer. it's been as tortured as a— frosties in a freezer. it's been as tortured as a trip to the guantanamo— as tortured as a trip to the guantanamo bay . there was more guantanamo bay. there was more ommorrom— guantanamo bay. there was more animation from — guantanamo bay. there was more animation from a— guantanamo bay. there was more animation from a robot that they had animation from a robot that they hurt om— animation from a robot that they hurt om rhe— animation from a robot that they had on the show— animation from a robot that they had on the show last week than the— had on the show last week than the w— had on the show last week than the rv uuo. — had on the show last week than this tv duo. you— had on the show last week than this tv duo. you see, schofield rour— this tv duo. you see, schofield rour re— this tv duo. you see, schofield hour re re— this tv duo. you see, schofield hour he he eo— this tv duo. you see, schofield four fs is so bad— this tv duo. you see, schofield four fs is so bad that even the ruwree— four fs is so bad that even the luvvies didn't— four fs is so bad that even the luvvies didn't stand by him. no one came out to— luvvies didn't stand by him. no one came out to support him. no hoe— one came out to support him. no one has defended— one came out to support him. no one has defended him . oliver one has defended him. oliver houuem— one has defended him. oliver houuem rhe— one has defended him. oliver dowden, the deputy prime rhmerer— dowden, the deputy prime minister standing in for rishi sumoh— minister standing in for rishi sumoh hume— minister standing in for rishi sunak prime minister's questions this sunak prime minister's questions the week— sunak prime minister's questions the week ,— sunak prime minister's questions this week , described sir keir this week, described sir keir stormer— this week, described sir keir starmer and— this week, described sir keir starmer and his— this week, described sir keir starmer and his deputy angela ray/“err— starmer and his deputy angela hoymer, oe— starmer and his deputy angela hoymer, oe rhe— starmer and his deputy angela rayner, as the phil and holly of hrhreh— rayner, as the phil and holly of british politics. _ rayner, as the phil and holly of british politics. all lovey hovey— british politics. all lovey hovey om— british politics. all lovey dovey on the— british politics. all lovey dovey on the surface. the turn it om — dovey on the surface. the turn it om tor— dovey on the surface. the turn it om for the — dovey on the surface. the turn it on for the cameras, but as soon as they're _ it on for the cameras, but as soon as they're off, it's a different— soon as they're off, it's a different story. - soon as they're off, it's a different story. they're at each other-e— different story. they're at each other's throats— different story. they're at each other's throats ._ different story. they're at each other's throats . it's brutal, other's throats. it's brutal, hur— other's throats. it's brutal, hur merry— other's throats. it's brutal, but pretty accurate. so why has it taken— but pretty accurate. so why has it taken schofield _ but pretty accurate. so why has it taken schofield so long, you might— it taken schofield so long, you might oer— it taken schofield so long, you might oeh e— it taken schofield so long, you might ask .7 word— it taken schofield so long, you might ask .7 word has it that some might ask? word has it that some at might ask? word has it that some or rrv— might ask? word has it that some or my ore— might ask? word has it that some at itv are especially jubilant ohour— at itv are especially jubilant about schofield's departure. if

you— about schofield's departure. if you her— about schofield's departure. if you oeh me— about schofield's departure. if you ask me, he's— about schofield's departure. if you ask me, he's put holly wrhoughhy— you ask me, he's put holly willoughby through an awkward oeyehouromo— willoughby through an awkward psychodrama that was clearly umremohre— psychodrama that was clearly untenable and— psychodrama that was clearly untenable and impossible to defend.— untenable and impossible to defend. amu— untenable and impossible to defend. and schofield and his on whe— defend. and schofield and his on screen wife faced— defend. and schofield and his on screen wife faced criticism in sehremher— screen wife faced criticism in september last— screen wife faced criticism in september last year over claims thor— september last year over claims that they— september last year over claims that they skipped _ september last year over claims that they skipped the queue for our that they skipped the queue for tore— that they skipped the queue for our late queen's— that they skipped the queue for our late queen's lying in state while— our late queen's lying in state while attending— our late queen's lying in state while attending as media members to him— while attending as media members to mm o— while attending as media members to film a segment— while attending as media members to film a segment for this momhe. — to film a segment for this morning- so— to film a segment for this morning. so what on earth was wrhouehhy— morning. so what on earth was willoughby meant to say when it was willoughby meant to say when it revealed— willoughby meant to say when it was revealed that— willoughby meant to say when it was revealed that phillip schofield's— was revealed that phillip schofield's brother told the tv hoer— schofield's brother told the tv me or— schofield's brother told the tv host of sexual— schofield's brother told the tv host of sexual acts with a child in my— host of sexual acts with a child hm my heu— host of sexual acts with a child in my view, this— host of sexual acts with a child in my view, this was all inevitable. _ in my view, this was all inevitable. itv- in my view, this was all inevitable. itv had to part ways uhrh— inevitable. itv had to part ways uhrh rhehr— inevitable. itv had to part ways with their silver— inevitable. itv had to part ways with their silver surfer star emu— with their silver surfer star ome ooh— with their silver surfer star ome eohh hr— with their silver surfer star and call it quits after viewing rheuree— and call it quits after viewing rheuree hegem— and call it quits after viewing figures began to— and call it quits after viewing figures began to tank. and call it quits after viewing figures began to tank . but let's figures began to tank. but let's see figures began to tank. but let's whor— figures began to tank. but let's what he— figures began to tank. but let's see what the panel think is this the emu— see what the panel think is this the end or— see what the panel think is this the end of the— see what the panel think is this the end of the story? is there ro— the end of the story? is there more to come— the end of the story? is there more to come out? will we ever mowe— more to come out? will we ever more amu— more to come out? will we ever know? and will— more to come out? will we ever know? and will itv— more to come out? will we ever know? and will itv staffers be heehhme— know? and will itv staffers be keeping ouhere— know? and will itv staffers be keeping quiet? let me know what you rhhmh— keeping quiet? let me know what you rhhmh oe— keeping quiet? let me know what you think as well. _ keeping quiet? let me know what you think as well. gb views gb heme. — you think as well. gb views gb heme. uh— you think as well. gb views gb news. .uk benjamin, you were

ouhre— news. .uk benjamin, you were ouhre o— news. .uk benjamin, you were ouhre o rom— news. .uk benjamin, you were ouhre o tom of— news. .uk benjamin, you were quite a fan of phillip schofield . ho— quite a fan of phillip schofield . do you— quite a fan of phillip schofield . do you rhhmh— quite a fan of phillip schofield . do you think this is going to harm — . do you think this is going to harm hhe— . do you think this is going to harm his reputation? well look, i harm his reputation? well look, h rhhmh— harm his reputation? well look, hrhhmh hovhme— harm his reputation? well look, i think having to— harm his reputation? well look, i think having to leave your rhoeehhh— i think having to leave your flagship programme of over 20 yeore— flagship programme of over 20 yeore eheorhy— flagship programme of over 20 years clearly isn't— flagship programme of over 20 years clearly isn't going to be great— years clearly isn't going to be great — years clearly isn't going to be great news. and— years clearly isn't going to be great news. and if- years clearly isn't going to be great news. ' r: �*" years clearly isn't going to be great news. ' �*" years clearly isn't going to be great news. and if you read out the statement, you know, it doesn't say, i decided to end it. i decided to move on. it says they said it couldn't go along. so clearly he has been pushed out , not chosen to go. pushed out, not chosen to go. but look, when he came out as gay, what, maybe two years ago now on that sofa, i thought that was a really powerful moment. you know, we sometimes forget andifs you know, we sometimes forget and it's a slightly different topic, but there were a lot of people in this country who are in their 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s who've never told anyone they're 93v- who've never told anyone they're gay. and thought he was gay. and i thought he was a great for that. and i'm great bastion for that. and i'm sorry, think there's sorry, but i think there's a level homophobia in the level of homophobia in the vengeance shown towards him in the shown towards the vitriol shown towards phillip do you phillip schofield emily, do you accept that? do you think it's hoeeu— accept that? do you think it's her uhrh— ” m7 do you think it's laced with homophobia, the erhrhehem — laced with homophobia, the criticism _ no .l laced with homophobia, the criticism—no . i| laced with homophobia, the- criticism_no . i mean, criticism and. well, no. i mean, i'm racking my mind now to think

back to when he announced that he on television , he was gay on television, because i remember at the time thinking poor he thinking of his poor wife, he got married a 1993. he was got married to a 1993. he was with her for all— got married to a 1993. he was with her for all that- git : it) he was with her for all that time. i rehe— with her for all that time. i rehr. you— with her for all that time. i felt, you know,— with her for all that time. i felt, you know, it's- with her for all that time. felt, you know, it's pretty harsh to find out that your husband has been living a double life or has had these feelings for all of these many years . you for all of these many years. you don't just wake up one day and become gay. yes, of course. it can be a struggle to come out. but many people in the media and in come out. there in showbiz have come out. there are openly homosexual are many openly homosexual people in the media and showbiz . i mean, let's look at our panel here. i mean, you know, it's hard it's hard to come out, but it's hardly groundbreaking to come out as gay anymore. it simply isn't. wait till my wife hears this . yeah, that's a great hears this. yeah, that's a great room.— hears this. yeah, that's a great hohmr. hvem— hears this. yeah, that's a great hohmr. hvem hm— hears this. yeah, that's a great point. even in the— yeah, that's a great point. even in the 90s, you mowe— point. even in the 90s, you more rohr— point. even in the 90s, you know? fair enough. you could. vou— know? fair enough. you could. you coutu— know? fair enough. you could. you eouhu eoy— know? fair enough. you could. you could say that somebody in the hm— you could say that somebody in the hm rhe— you could say that somebody in the in the 50s— you could say that somebody in the in the 50s and— you could say that somebody in the in the 50s and 60s 70s might merry— the in the 50s and 60s 70s might merry o— the in the 50s and 60s 70s might marry a woman to— the in the 50s and 60s 70s might marry a woman to cover up their eoymeee— marry a woman to cover up their goymeee or— marry a woman to cover up their gayness or whatever. but i mean it gayness or whatever. but i mean hr woe— gayness or whatever. but i mean hr hoes.— gayness or whatever. but i mean hr hereo- hr—

gayness or whatever. but i mean it was 1993. it wasn't a horrheuhorhy— it was 1993. it wasn't a particularly homophobic time in hrhrohm— particularly homophobic time in hrhrohm h— particularly homophobic time in britain. i usually— particularly homophobic time in britain. i usually liberal time in britain. i usually liberal time hm hoe,— britain. i usually liberal time hm hoes, you— britain. i usually liberal time in 1993, you weren't even born theme— in 1993, you weren't even born rheme wo— in 1993, you weren't even born theme to h— in 1993, you weren't even born then? no, i wasn't— in 1993, you weren't even born then? no, i wasn't born right . then? no, i wasn't born right. hur— then? no, i wasn't born right. huh h— then? no, i wasn't born right. huh h howe— then? no, i wasn't born right. but i have read— then? no, i wasn't born right. but i have read the— then? no, i wasn't born right. but i have read the history books, leo and especially the gay history books. they talk about a lot of the homophobia that was going on in the 80s and 90s. and of course, if it wasn't a homophobic time. philip schofield probably would have come don't think come out then. so i don't think we can be saying no. think we can be saying no. i think that wasn't wasn't a that was it wasn't wasn't a homophobia. there are loads of high loads high high profile loads of high profile celebrities. many of profile gay celebrities. many of them careers. do you them had their careers. do you accept benjamin's— them had their careers. do you accept benjamin's point- ” do you accept benjamin's point that oeruohhy— accept benjamin's point that oeruohhy o— accept benjamin's point that actually a lot— accept benjamin's point that actually a lot of— accept benjamin's point that actually a lot of the criticism ome— actually a lot of the criticism and attention _ actually a lot of the criticism and attention phillip and attention around phillip sehorhehu— and attention around phillip schofield particular, schofield in particular, eeoeehohhy— especially with this current, vou— especially with this current,| you—there you know, controversy that's going— you know, controversy that's going-in— you know, controversy that's going-in rhe— you know, controversy that's going in the background, is going on in the background, is oeruohhy— going on in the background, is actually homophobia ? actually laced in homophobia? no, actually laced in homophobia? helm— actually laced in homophobia? helm eh.— actually laced in homophobia? no,-at all. and— actually laced in homophobia? no,-at all. and i— actually laced in homophobia? no,-at all. and i think- no, not at all. and i think actually this could be a great career booster for philip because i know the bbc are looking to present because i know the bbc are lookof] to present because i know the bbc are lookof the to present because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. to present because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. yeah to present because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. yeah well,tsent because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. yeah well, |,!i'il because i know the bbc are lookof the pops. yeah well, i, it top of the pops. yeah well, i, i used to love that programme. i, ihave used to love that programme. i, i have to be honest. you know, your— i have to be honest. you know, your hee— i have to be honest. you know, your leo clueless, right? if you think you're clueless, if you sort of an attempt at a nickname. is that benjamin

hurrerworrh— nickname. is that benjamin hurrerworrh .— nickname. is that benjamin butterworth . yeah.- " f is that benjamin butterworth . yeah. i mean, it's butterworth. yeah. i mean, it's an actor. you're— butterworth. yeah. i mean, it's an actor. you're literally named as an actor. you're literally named oe—omu— an actor. you're literally named oe—omu you-re- an actor. you're literally namedi as_and you're trying as a nickname and you're trying to ewe— as a nickname and you're trying to give me— as a nickname and you're trying to give me ome— as a nickname and you're trying to give me one, right? the truth is, to give me one, right? the truth he. h— to give me one, right? the truth he. h rhhmh— to give me one, right? the truth is, i think that's complete nonsense. you know, the nonsense. you know, in the 1990s, to be gay 1990s, it was illegal to be gay in the civil service. it in work in the civil service. it was illegal to be gay and work in the armed forces. you know, even michael hadn't come even george michael hadn't come out i think out in 1993, mate. so i think everybody knew. and turned everybody knew. and it turned out everybody knew. and it turned our-whe— everybody knew. and it turned our-whre hou- everybody knew. and it turned out-wife had been- out that his wife had been ohwhouehy— out that his wife had been obviously and— out that his wife had been obviously and we all said it's eoe. — obviously and we all said it's eoe. wen.— obviously and we all said it's sad. well, there's- obviously and we all said it's sad. well, there's a- obviously and we all said it's sad. well, there's a surprise. celebrate. no, it's quite- sad. celebrate. no, it's quite sad, rhe— celebrate. no, it's quite sad, the situation _ celebrate. no, it's quite sad, the situation for— celebrate. no, it's quite sad, the situation for their family. hur— the situation for their family. huh—mew.- the situation for their family. i huh—mew. hr-e but anyway, folks, up next, it's albie. going to talk albie. and he's going to talk about asylum seekers who about why asylum seekers who come should work and come to the uk should work and pay come to the uk should work and pay their own way . here we go. pay their own way. here we go. i'll be so some people might find this controversial , but find this controversial, but they really shouldn't . we should they really shouldn't. we should be letting asylum— they really shouldn't. we should be letting asylum seekers- ”cane :" e we should be letting asylum seekers work whhher— be letting asylum seekers work whhher rhehr— be letting asylum seekers work whilst their claims are being prooeeeerh— whilst their claims are being processed. we've got 1.1 million vacancies in the— processed. we've got 1.1 million vacancies in the united kingdom as vacancies in the united kingdom oe or— vacancies in the united kingdom oe or roomy.— vacancies in the united kingdom as of today. we've— vacancies in the united kingdom as of today. we've got many jobs thor— as of today. we've got many jobs that home— as of today. we've got many jobs that brits simply— as of today. we've got many jobs that brits simply won't do, won-r— that brits simply won't do, wont to— that brits simply won't do, won't do many— that brits simply won't do, won't do many of these migrants are won't do many of these migrants working— won't do many of these migrants are working illegally anyway, or they-re— are working illegally anyway, or rhey-re hehme— are working illegally anyway, or they're being driven to crime . they're being driven to crime. am,— they're being driven to crime.

a... why— they're being driven to crime. a... why ooh-r— they're being driven to crime. um, why don't we just make the moer— um, why don't we just make the moer or— um, why don't we just make the moer or e— um, why don't we just make the moer or e hou— um, why don't we just make the most of a bad situation? let them — most of a bad situation? let them plug— most of a bad situation? let them out our— most of a bad situation? let them plug our employment gaps so that we— them plug our employment gaps so that we eo— them plug our employment gaps so that we eo thor— them plug our employment gaps so that we so that we're— them plug our employment gaps so that we so that we're not euherhme— that we so that we're not suffering from - that we so that we're not suffering from job losses in some area and— suffering from job losses in some area and also allow the meme— some area and also allow the mherome ro— some area and also allow the migrants to earn— some area and also allow the migrants to earn their own keep. so migrants to earn their own keep. so they-re— migrants to earn their own keep. so rhey-re mor— migrants to earn their own keep. so they're not relying on the taxpayer. — so they're not relying on the taxpayer. we— so they're not relying on the taxpayer. we pay £2.1 billion a year— taxpayer. we pay £2.1 billion a year houehme— taxpayer. we pay £2.1 billion a year housing them on hotels and giving— year housing them on hotels and giving them— year housing them on hotels and giving them takeaways . why not giving them takeaways. why not let giving them takeaways. why not her them— giving them takeaways. why not let them work— giving them takeaways. why not let them work so— giving them takeaways. why not let them work so they can pay her— let them work so they can pay rhehr owm— let them work so they can pay rhehr why— let them work so they can pay their own way so— let them work so they can pay their own way so it reduces the burden— their own way so it reduces the burden om— their own way so it reduces the burden on the— their own way so it reduces the burden on the taxpayer ? yeah. burden on the taxpayer? yeah. amu— burden on the taxpayer? yeah. me oheo— burden on the taxpayer? yeah. me uheo ohuee— burden on the taxpayer? yeah. and also plugs their employment gaps- — and also plugs their employment gape. amu— and also plugs their employment gaps. and besides— and also plugs their employment gaps. and besides , as gaps. and besides, as i mentioned,— gaps. and besides, as i mentioned, many of them are working— mentioned, many of them are working illegally— mentioned, many of them are working illegally anyway . so working illegally anyway. so hmhhy— working illegally anyway. so hmhhy, youre— working illegally anyway. so hmhhy, youre o— working illegally anyway. so emily, you're a low tax small erore— emily, you're a low tax small state conservative who believes people— state conservative who believes peophe ehouhu— state conservative who believes people should be— state conservative who believes people should be self—reliant . people should be self—reliant. hur— people should be self—reliant. huh why— people should be self—reliant. huh why he— people should be self—reliant. huh why he hr— people should be self—reliant. but why is it that— people should be self—reliant. but why is it that we're not ohhowhme— but why is it that we're not allowing these— but why is it that we're not allowing these asylum seekers to be allowing these asylum seekers to he eem— allowing these asylum seekers to be self reliant— allowing these asylum seekers to be self reliant when they're here? — be self reliant when they're here? well,— be self reliant when they're here? while f be self reliant when they're here? chit" e here? well, because i don't believe that they would be self reliant. firstly, i think your strongest argument is that a lot of them are already working illegally. i that's true. of them are already working illegawhy that's true. of them are already working illegawhy our that's true. of them are already working illegawhy our home:'s true. of them are already working illegawhy our home affairs. of them are already working illegawhy our home affairs editor mark why our home affairs editor here news did a piece here at the gb news did a piece on that. a report on that

earlier. and many people are who are staying hotels are also earlier. and many people are who are stayiin hotels are also earlier. and many people are who are stayiin thingsals are also earlier. and many people are who are stayiin things like re also earlier. and many people are who are stayiin things like carilso working in things like car washes other small washes and other small businesses they're able businesses where they're able to get without having get away with it without having a to work. but i think a visa to work. but i think there's a strong argument to say that this would be a massive pull factor if anyone can simply hop onto a dinghy , come over to hop onto a dinghy, come over to this country and be allowed to work, then that makes an absolute joke of our visa system at the moment. why would you even bother? at the moment they-re— even bother? at the moment they're homing— even bother? at the moment they're hopping onto- " ”7’ at the moment they're hopping onto a dinghy ome— they're hopping onto a dinghy ome they-re— they're hopping onto a dinghy and they're having all of their home— and they're having all of their hhhhe hohu— and they're having all of their bills paid for. _ and they're having all of their bills paid for. they're having root— bills paid for. they're having root-fa,— bills paid for. they're having food -for, they're- bills paid for. they're having food for, they're getting food paid for, they're getting reheowoye— food paid for, they're getting takeaways, staying in takeaways, they're staying in mere.— takeaways, they're staying ini hotels._already hotels. so is that not already a huh— hotels. so is that not already a huh-amu— hotels. so is that not already a huh-ame oth— hotels. so is that not already a pull-and all this- hotels. so is that not already a pull and all this would pull factor? and all this would do pull factor? and all this would to he— pull factor? and all this would to he mem— pull factor? and all this would do is mean that— pull factor? and all this would do is mean that they're paying rhehr—hr-e-orl their own way. so it's less of a burden— their own way. so it's less of a burden om— their own way. so it's less of a burden on the— their own way. so it's less of a burden on the taxpayer. but why wouhu— burden on the taxpayer. but why wouhu you— burden on the taxpayer. but why wouhu you ever— burden on the taxpayer. but why would you even bother applying for a visa if it the case for a visa if it was the case that if you arrived illegally, you'd accommodation you'd be put up in accommodation and be allowed to work and then also be allowed to work and then also be allowed to work and presumably also have access to the two benefit system and presumably also have access to the a two benefit system and presumably also have access to the a lot wo benefit system and presumably also have access to the a lot of benefit system and presumably also have access to the a lot of these it system and presumably also have access to the a lot of these jobs;tem because a lot of these jobs wouldn't be enough to make to be able to afford. but they already have that. they already have all of that. they already

howe— have all of that. they already have oh— have all of that. they already have oh oh— have all of that. they already have all of that— they already have all of that anyway. hemtomhm— have all of that anyway. benjamin would be have all of that anyway. benjamin wouldlbe it be benjamin would it be would it be erueh— benjamin would it be would it be erueh ro— benjamin would it be would it be cruel to allow— benjamin would it be would it be cruel to allow these asylum eeeeh— cruel to allow these asylum seekers-work— cruel to allow these asylum seekers-work in- cruel to allow these asylum seekers work in the uk for seekers to work in the uk for he— seekers to work in the uk for the two— seekers to work in the uk for the two yeore— seekers to work in the uk for the two years that it takes for her— the two years that it takes for rhehr ehohme— the two years that it takes for their claims-be— the two years that it takes for their claims be processed, their claims to be processed, hmreerore — their claims to be processed, integrate - society- their claims to be processed, integrate society ? arnie integrate into society? arnie amu— integrate into society? arnie ame-rhey-re- integrate into society? arnie and they're denied, send and then if they're denied, send them— and then if they're denied, send them ro— and then if they're denied, send them ro-or— and then if they're denied, send them to -or back- and then if they're denied, send them to -or back to- and then if they're denied, send them to or back to their them to rwanda or back to their country— them to rwanda or back to their eoumrrylorhehme— them to rwanda or back to their country-origin?-i- them to rwanda or back to their country origin? i think country of origin? well, i think it's absolutely— country of origin? well, i think it's absolutely essential that they— it's absolutely essential that they-rhe— it's absolutely essential that they this country . we they work in this country. we howe— they work in this country. we have em— they work in this country. we have an economy— they work in this country. we have an economy for which eerore— have an economy for which sectors like _ have an economy for which sectors like health care , like sectors like health care, like care homes, like— sectors like health care, like care homes, like parts of hoeohhohhhy— care homes, like parts of hospitality, where it is on its hmeee— hospitality, where it is on its knees because _ hospitality, where it is on its knees because there are not people— knees because there are not peophe ro— knees because there are not peophe ho ho— knees because there are not people to do the— knees because there are not people to do the jobs. look at huh— people to do the jobs. look at rruhr picking— people to do the jobs. look at fruit picking as— people to do the jobs. look at fruit picking as another example where— fruit picking as another example where he— fruit picking as another example where the ability— fruit picking as another example where the ability to make a moth— where the ability to make a moth hm— where the ability to make a profit in that— where the ability to make a profit in that industry has gone through— profit in that industry has gone through-hoor— profit in that industry has gone through floor because the through the floor because the hmmherome— through the floor because the immigrants coming over immigrants aren't coming over here.— immigrants aren't coming over here-you— immigrants aren't coming over here-lyou-womr- immigrants aren't coming over here. you want asylum here. so you just want asylum eeeeh— here. so you just want asylum eeeeh ro— here. so you just want asylum seekers to work— here. so you just want asylum seekers to work on the fruit rhehuee— seekers to work on the fruit fields? -yeah,- seekers to work on the fruit- fields? -yeah,-some fields? well, yeah, i do. some of them— fields? well, yeah, i do. some or them were— fields? well, yeah, i do. some of them were doctors, engineers, master engineers, can't master engineers, but they can't work those things. work as any of those things. and what i think that and what iathink that they and what i think is that they ehouhu— and what i think is that they ehouhu-rhe— and what i think is that they should-the right- and what i think is that they should the right to work so should have the right to work so thor— should have the right to work so that they— should have the right to work so that they contribute to our that they can contribute to our eoehery— that they can contribute to our eoehery eo— that they can contribute to our society so that— that they can contribute to our society so that they're not a urohm— society so that they're not a urohm om— society so that they're not a drain on public— society so that they're not a drain on public funds, so that they-re— drain on public funds, so that rhey-re-amu- drain on public funds, so that. they're-and-know they're invested. and you know where— they're invested. and you know whore-rheee- they're invested. and you know what? these countries, what? some of these countries, hhhe— what? some of these countries, he he— what? some of these countries, like the yemen— what? some of these countries, like the yemen afghanistan, like the yemen or afghanistan, ushere— like the yemen or afghanistan,. 1,890%_accepted 1,890% of them will be accepted --vet_

1,890% of them will be accepted .yer-we-re— 1,890% of them will be accepted .-yet-we're saying- . and yet what we're saying rhehr— . and yet what we're saying rhehr-he— . and yet what we're saying right-is we're- . and yet what we're saying right is we're going to pay right now is we're going to pay you— right now is we're going to pay you-a— right now is we're going to pay you-o week,— right now is we're going to pay you-a week, which- right now is we're going to pay you a week, which an you £50 a week, which is an hmereuhhhy— you £50 a week, which is an incredibly amount of money incredibly small amount of money incredibly small amount of money hm-hhoee. — incredibly small amount of money hm-hhoee. hur— incredibly small amount of money in -place. but we're - in the first place. but we're going—£50- in the first place. but we're going—£50 o- in the first place. but we're. going—£50 a week in the first place. but we're- going_£50 a week for going to pay you £50 a week for two— going to pay you £50 a week for two yeore— going to pay you £50 a week for two yeore emu— going to pay you £50 a week for two years and spend thousands of houmue— two years and spend thousands of houmue om— two years and spend thousands of ooumue om heeoh— two years and spend thousands of pounds on legal fees. you pounds on legal fees. and you ooh-r— pounds on legal fees. and you ooh-rlomyrhhme— pounds on legal fees. and you can't-anything-for. pounds on legal fees. and you can't anything for us. can't do anything useful for us. how— can't do anything useful for us. how-rhe— can't do anything useful for us. how-the heer— can't do anything useful for us. how the best answer? how is that the best answer? how— how is that the best answer? how wouhu— how is that the best answer? how would-left— how is that the best answer? how would-left have- how is that the best answer? how would left have changed how would the left have changed now? left to used to be now? the left used to used to be about working class about protecting working class jobs. they want untapped low jobs. now they want untapped low wage jobs market where unlimited labour can flood across the channel and i think that the jobs press wages down for working men don't believe in borders. albie and benjamin hohhommom— borders. albie and benjamin rhiannon someone- : albie and benjamin rhiannon someone who gets on suehho— rhiannon someone who gets on suella braverman— rhiannon someone who gets on suella braverman sure does. arrhwhme— suella braverman sure does. arrhwhme oer— suella braverman sure does. arriving over and immediately has access to _ arriving over and immediately has access to the— arriving over and immediately has access to the labour market. our— has access to the labour market. huh whor— has access to the labour market. huh whor om— has access to the labour market. but what an absolute joke. hhey-re— but what an absolute joke. they're working illegally omywoy. — they're working illegally anyway we— they're working illegally anyway. ' they're working illegally anyway. as you mentioned, they're working illegally. not all them. well, many of them all of them. well, many of them are. and have something that are. and we have something that the , many them, the government, many of them, are on. i'm are working illegally on. i'm sorry. makes an absolute sorry. it makes an absolute joke of sorry. it makes an absolute joke or—eyerem.- sorry. it makes an absolute joke or—eyerem. hr- sorry. it makes an absolute joke of_system. it would| of our asylum system. it would more— of our asylum system. it would make—joke- make an absolute joke of our whee— make an absolute joke of our eyehem— make an absolute joke of our visa system. understand your visa system. i understand your economic argument, i think economic argument, but i think it economic argument, but i think hr-heeouee— economic argument, but i think it-because these- economic argument, but i think it because these people it is weak because these people wouhu— it is weak because these people wouhu moerhy— it is weak because these people

would mostly be— it is weak because these people would mostly be working in very memhoh— would mostly be working in very menial—wouldn't- menial jobs and it wouldn't be enough— enough to support their accommodation, it wouldn't be enough— accommodation, it wouldn't be emouehleuhhom— accommodation, it wouldn't be enough support, to make up enough to support, to make up for enough to support, to make up tor-ehemr— enough to support, to make up for-ehem om- enough to support, to make up. for- spent on - nhs, for what they spent on the nhs, ehhhurem-e— for what they spent on the nhs, children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 children's schooling, etcetera. zr eer— children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 £21 billion— children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 £21 billion a— children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 £2.1 billion a year- children's schooling, etcetera. 2.1 £2.1 billion a year on- 2.1 £2.1 billion a year on hotels takeaways hotels and takeaways for migrants. is it a bad thing migrants. why is it a bad thing to let them work so they can pay their own? do you know what albie i find extraordinary albie i find it extraordinary that you're speaking up for those are working illegally those who are working illegally and and those and car washes and all those other kinds of jobs when actually speaking actually you're not speaking about million about the 5 million people in britain are of work? britain who are out of work? nato that is a separate issue. how— nato that is a separate issue. how he— nato that is a separate issue. how he hr— nato that is a separate issue. how he h o— nato that is a separate issue. how is it a separate issue? i am i how is it a separate issue? i am h-eryhme— how is it a separate issue? i am h-eryhme hm— how is it a separate issue? i am h-eryhme he more— how is it a separate issue? i am i saying in more labour that i am saying in more labour that competes against the work already here. darren, these people i'm people are already here. i'm saying let's make the most of a bad there are jobs bad situation. there are jobs that brits won't do. they're a drain the what you drain on the state. what you are. let's let them work and pay their own way. what you are prohoehme— their own way. what you are proposing would— " what you are proposing would bring. can you ormewe—a- proposing would bring. can you ormwe—a hor- proposing would bring. can youi answer—a lot more answer my question? a lot more peohhee— answer my question? a lot more peohhee-h— answer my question? a lot more peohhee-h om— answer my question? a lot more people? i am answering people? well, i am answering your— people? well, i am answering your oueehhom— people? well, i am answering your question. why that bad? your question. why is that bad? if your question. why is that bad? h—eroh— your question. why is that bad? h—eroh-eo- your question. why is that bad?| if_stop-so rude, if you would stop being so rude, if you would stop being so rude, hwhhh— if you would stop being so rude, hwhhh ormewe— if you would stop being so rude, i will answer your— if you would stop being so rude, i will answer your question, hheoee. — please. if you if you incentivise- please. if you if youi incentivise-to please. if you if you- incentivise-to come incentivise people to come here incentivise people to come here in overwhelming— incentivise people to come here in overwhelming numbers, how on earth— in overwhelming numbers, how on eorrh—eohme— earth is that not going to compete—

earth is that not going to compete domestic earth is that not going to- compete-domestic labour compete with the domestic labour mower—rheee- market here at home? these peohhee— market here at home? these people? why— market here at home? these people? why do_ market here at home? these people? why do you not care about— people? why do you not care about the — people? why do you not care about the british— people? why do you not care about the british here? about the british already here? or-vou_ about the british already here? or-you mor— about the british already here? or-you not care- about the british already here? or-you not care about. or why do you not care about. i think you're making a pretty ridiculous statement that i don't there's a really don't care why. there's a really vehe— don't care why. there's a really your room.— don't care why. there's a really your hohmr. — don't care why. there's a really valid point. answer- don't care why. there's a really valid point. answer the- valid point. answer the question. answer question. valid point. answer the que answeringier question. valid point. answer the- que answering the-question. valid point. answer the- que answering the question. in. valid point. answer the- que answering the question. this i'm answering the question. this uheeueehom— i'm answering the question. this discussion migrants who discussion is about migrants who are discussion is about migrants who ourremrhy— discussion is about migrants who are currentlylnet_ discussion is about migrants who are currently net drain on the are currently a net drain on the eere.— are currently a net drain on the ewe hhere— are currently a net drain on the state. there are— are currently a net drain on the state. there are jobs, as i memrhomeu— state. there are jobs, as i mentioned -that. state. there are jobs, as i- mentioned -that british mentioned before, that british people— mentioned before, that britishi heoohe—suehho people simply won't do suella braverman-about- people simply won't do suella braverman about the braverman spoke about it at the worhomoh— braverman spoke about it at the national conservatism conference, - national conservatism conference, which national conservatism conference, .which were at conference, of which you were at ahhhe — conference, of which you were at ahhhe-you— conference, of which you were at albie-you think— conference, of which you were at albie-you think so?- albie don't you think so? why ooh-r— albie don't you think so? why wont—mue- albie don't you think so? why ooh-r—hhue rhel albie don't you think so? why. don't—plug the jobs don't we let them plug the jobs thor— don't we let them plug the jobs rhor-wom-r— don't we let them plug the jobs that-won't do? - don't we let them plug the jobs that won't do? jztr" e that brits won't do? don't you rhhmh— that brits won't do? don't you think emphasis should think the emphasis should be on our failing system and our failing asylum system and the fact that asylum claims are taking so long processed taking so long to be processed before give a carte before you just give a carte blanche anyone crosses blanche to anyone who crosses over? is that's not over? that is that is that's not the argument that we're having today. rubbish. today. it's absolute rubbish. it's argument we're it's not the argument we're having ideological and especially when a million people are rumoured to. none of you howe— are rumoured to. none of you have eeeu— are rumoured to. none of you have answered my— at; none of you have answered my question why it's have answered my question why he hou— have answered my question why me how ro— have answered my question why it's bad to let— have answered my question why it's bad to let them pay their com— it's bad to let them pay their com h— it's bad to let them pay their own. can i just— it's bad to let them pay their own. can i just come in here? he— own. can i just come in here? he oeheeme — own. can i just come in here? it's obscene. can— own. can i just come in here? it's obscene. can i- own. can i just come in here? it's obscene. cr?" rte: own. can i just come in here? it's obscene. t.

offered the push offered to them here? the push factors much stronger than factors are much stronger than the pull factors to this country from . the fact we from albania. the fact that we have climate change destroying parts of the world where millions change is millions live. climate change is oeerroyhme— millions live. climate change is destroying albania— millions live. climate change is destroying albania . - ll t climate change is destroying albania . ”at destroying albania. the fact thor— destroying albania. the fact that-howe— destroying albania. the fact that have problems that we have serious problems with terrorism parts of the with terrorism in parts of the world that isn't terrorism in albania , and that's why they're albania, and that's why they're coming here. we're not to coming here. we're not going to agree sadly. we're agree on this one, sadly. we're going have to agree on this one, sadly. we're going-have to move- agree on this one, sadly. we're going-have to move on.- tug rzzr" : we're going have to move on. come going to have to move on. come hook— going to have to move on. come hook hy— going to have to move on. come hook hy-ehheoue.— going to have to move on. come back by episode. still to back by leo episode. still to come tonight,— back by leo episode. still to come tonight, let us know what you— come tonight, let us know what you rhhmh— come tonight, let us know what you rhhmh or— come tonight, let us know what you think at home.— come tonight, let us know what you think at home. i'll be thyme— you think at home. i'll be thyme-oom- you think at home. i'll be giving $0.02 why you think at home. i'll be- giving-$0.02.why backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0.02 why backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0 a 2 why backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0 a unit why backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0 a unit is �*iy backing you think at home. i'll be givi family $0 a unit is �*iy bfaring the family as a unit is not far rhehr. — the family as a unit is not far right. benjamin— the family as a unit is not far right. benjamin will call for more -on the - right. benjamin will call for more on the green belt, more houses on the green belt, oeehhre— more houses on the green belt, oeehhre whor— more houses on the green belt, despite what the— more houses on the green belt, despite what the boomers say. his despite what the boomers say. the—mne— despite what the boomers say. hhe—mhme. hur- despite what the boomers say. his mine. but next, despite what the boomers say. his kearse mine. but next, despite what the boomers say. his kearse arguesie. but next, despite what the boomers say. his kearse argues thatut next, despite what the boomers say. his kearse argues that britain leo kearse argues that britain is systemically— leo kearse argues that britain is systemically racist against whhre— is systemically racist against whhre peophe— is systemically racist against white people. sparks are going to thy.— white people. sparks are going to rhy- h— white people. sparks are going to try. r rhhmh— white people. sparks are going to fly. i think on— white people. sparks are going to fly. i think on that one. your— to fly. i think on that one. your saturday— to fly. i think on that one. your saturday five life on .

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hoohhme hor— evils of our time. so i went looking for it— evils of our time. so i went looking for it and- evils of our time. so i went looking for it and i- ” e so i went looking for it and i found it in mor— looking for it and i found it in hot ohe— looking for it and i found it in hot hur— looking for it and i found it in not one, but two _ looking for it and i found it in not one, but two job adverts for government— not one, but two job adverts for government jobs. _ not one, but two job adverts for government jobs. one was for two reoehere— government jobs. one was for two reoehere hm— government jobs. one was for two teachers in scotland— government jobs. one was for two teachers in scotland , the other teachers in scotland, the other one was for tel— teachers in scotland, the other one was for tfl ,_ teachers in scotland, the other one was for tfl , sadiq khan's one was for tfl, sadiq khan's tflr_ one was for tfl, sadiq khan's mt, horh— one was for tfl, sadiq khan's mt, both or— one was for tfl, sadiq khan's tfl, both of them— one was for tfl, sadiq khan's tfl, both of them specified candidates— tfl, both of them specified candidates and _ tfl, both of them specified candidates and excluded candidates— candidates and excluded candidates based on the colour of ther— candidates based on the colour of their skin.— candidates based on the colour of their skin. the— candidates based on the colour of their skin. the twist they were excluding— of their skin. the twist they were excluding white candidates and were excluding white candidates me my— were excluding white candidates and only select— were excluding white candidates and only select candidates that hwhh— and only select candidates that hour or— and only select candidates that were bame or bipoc or wherever they— were bame or bipoc or wherever they appfopfiate_ were bame or bipoc or wherever they appropriate acronym is this week.— they appropriate acronym is this week. wow— they appropriate acronym is this week. now this— they appropriate acronym is this week. now this is— they appropriate acronym is this week. now this is this is rerrhhhe. — week. now this is this is terrible. we— week. now this is this is terrible. we cannot have racist job terrible. we cannot have racist or where. — terrible. we cannot have racist or where. we— terrible. we cannot have racist job adverts. we can't have this hereu— job adverts. we can't have this hoheu hmro— job adverts. we can't have this baked into the— job adverts. we can't have this baked into the functioning of our government— baked into the functioning of our government and of our eomorohhome— our government and of our corporations. there are many thor— corporations. there are many reasons that it's— corporations. there are many reasons that it's a terrible hereo— reasons that it's a terrible hueo .— reasons that it's a terrible hueo . hr— reasons that it's a terrible idea . it reduces the pool of idea. it reduces the pool of totem— idea. it reduces the pool of talent that— idea. it reduces the pool of talent that you— idea. it reduces the pool of talent that you can choose from. seorhomu— talent that you can choose from. eeorhomu he— talent that you can choose from. scotland is 96%_ talent that you can choose from. scotland is 96% white, so you're my— scotland is 96% white, so you're omhy eeheerhme— scotland is 96% white, so you're only selecting from _ scotland is 96% white, so you're only selecting from 4% of seorhomu-e— only selecting from 4% of scotland's population asian. it erre— scotland's population asian. it em up— scotland's population asian. it stirs up resent— scotland's population asian. it stirs up resent .— scotland's population asian. it stirs up resent . doesn't anybody stirs up resent. doesn't anybody hhhe— stirs up resent. doesn't anybody hhhe me— stirs up resent. doesn't anybody hhhe me who— stirs up resent. doesn't anybody like me who sees— stirs up resent. doesn't anybody like me who sees the advert is going— like me who sees the advert is going ro— like me who sees the advert is going to her— like me who sees the advert is going to feel slighted ? i can't going to feel slighted? i can't apply— going to feel slighted? i can't apply just— going to feel slighted? i can't apply just because i'm white. hhor-e— apply just because i'm white. more there— apply just because i'm white. that's that's terrible. that's roeher. — that's that's terrible. that's roeher. amu—

that's that's terrible. that's racist. and for— that's that's terrible. that's racist. and for some people there— racist. and for some people more going— racist. and for some people more going ro— racist. and for some people that's going to encourage them to that's going to encourage them rolroeher— that's going to encourage them rolroeher ome— that's going to encourage them to racist and retaliate . an to be racist and retaliate. an we to— to be racist and retaliate. an we to mor— to be racist and retaliate. an we do not want— to be racist and retaliate. an we do not want to encourage this at we do not want to encourage this oh oh. — we do not want to encourage this oh oh. amu— we do not want to encourage this oh oh. ame hr— we do not want to encourage this at all. and it also— we do not want to encourage this at all. and it also invalidates rhe— at all. and it also invalidates the achievements of the people who— the achievements of the people who to— the achievements of the people who to eer— the achievements of the people who do get those— the achievements of the people who do get those jobs. hweryhooy-e— who do get those jobs.- everybody's - look who do get those jobs.- everybody's-look at everybody's going to look at them — everybody's going to look at them -wat,- everybody's going to look at them well, you've just them and say, well, you've just got them and say, well, you've just tor the— them and say, well, you've just got this-because- them and say, well, you've just got this because the got this job because of the eohour— got this job because of the eohour or— got this job because of the colour of-skin,- got this job because of the colour of skin, not because colour of your skin, not because of colour of your skin, not because or-you-we— colour of your skin, not because of-you've actually- colour of your skin, not because of you've actually achieved of what you've actually achieved whrh — of what you've actually achieved with _terrible. - with your life. it's terrible. i ooh-r— with your life. it's terrible. i don't-under- with your life. it's terrible. i don't-under the- with your life. it's terrible. i don't under the equality don't know, under the equality actr— don't know, under the equality ta, hr— don't know, under the equality act, it should— don't know, under the equality act, it should be— don't know, under the equality act, it should be illegal to discriminate— act, it should be illegal to discriminate based on the colour of someone's skin,— of someone's skin, but uhhoremrhy— apparently there are carveouts where— apparently there are carveouts where hm— apparently there are carveouts where hm rhhe— apparently there are carveouts where in this case for the reoehere— where in this case for the teachers, they _ where in this case for the teachers, they said they needed eomehouy— teachers, they said they needed eomehouy who— teachers, they said they needed somebody who matched the erhmhehry— somebody who matched the ethnicity and— somebody who matched the ethnicity and the cultural hoehgroumu— ethnicity and the cultural background of the pupils that they— background of the pupils that they wee— background of the pupils that they were teaching . but again, they were teaching. but again, there— they were teaching. but again, that's segregation. that's racial segregation. hhor-e— that's racial segregation. hhor-e o— that's racial segregation. hhor-e u very— that's racial segregation. that's a very dangerous racist hereo— that's a very dangerous racist hueo ro— that's a very dangerous racist hueo ro eoy— that's a very dangerous racist idea to say that— that's a very dangerous racist idea to say that white people ooh-r— idea to say that white people cent each — idea to say that white people can't teach black— idea to say that white people can't teach black kids, black people— can't teach black kids, black peophe ooh-r— can't teach black kids, black people can't teach white kids. hhor-e— people can't teach white kids. more there— people can't teach white kids. that's that's exactly what the eoyhme— that's that's exactly what the eoyhme .— that's that's exactly what the were saying . it's— that's that's exactly what the were saying . it's disgusting. were saying. it's disgusting. anyway,— were saying. it's disgusting. amywoy, h— were saying. it's disgusting. amywoy, r howe— were saying. it's disgusting. anyway, i have a dream . i have anyway, i have a dream. i have a team— anyway, i have a dream. i have a dream thor— anyway, i have a dream. i have a dream that one— anyway, i have a dream. i have a dream that one day— anyway, i have a dream. i have a dream that one day we'll have eouohhry— dream that one day we'll have eouohhry hm— dream that one day we'll have equality in this— dream that one day we'll have equality in this country and everybody— equality in this country and everybody will— equality in this country and everybody will be treated eouohhy— everybody will be treated eouohhy mo — everybody will be treated equally no matter what the ohour— equally no matter what the ohour or— equally no matter what the colour of their— equally no matter what the colour of their skin and anti whhre— colour of their skin and anti white racism _ colour of their skin and anti white racism will be a thing of the peer. —

white racism will be a thing of the past. well,— white racism will be a thing of the past. well, i— white racism will be a thing of the past. while " sh:t:j; white racism will be a thing of the past. �*fw�*hitt i sriti; the past. well, i mean, there we are. oh leo. i mean, that was a very,— are. oh leo. i mean, that was a very, very— are. oh leo. i mean, that was a very, very interesting— ti cj" i mean, that was a very, very interesting monologue thor— very, very interesting monologue that you— very, very interesting monologue that you tuer— very, very interesting monologue rhor you he gove— very, very interesting monologue that you just gave us there. so youre— that you just gave us there. so youre ehohm — that you just gave us there. so you're claim is— that you just gave us there. so you're claim is that systemic racism exists— you're claim is that systemic racism exists against white reophe— racism exists against white peophe. so— racism exists against white people. so there's anti white racism. yeah.— people. so there's anti white racism. yeah. the— people. so there's anti white racism. yeah. the evidence and he— racism. yeah. the evidence and the ewhoehee— racism. yeah. the evidence and the evidence that— racism. yeah. the evidence and the evidence that you have given an the evidence that you have given m h— the evidence that you have given m ho ho— the evidence that you have given m ho to too— the evidence that you have given an r to job adverts,— the evidence that you have given an r to job adverts, do you have any— an r to job adverts, do you have my other— an r to job adverts, do you have any other evidence— an r to job adverts, do you have any other evidence to back up your— any other evidence to back up your ehohme— any other evidence to back up your ehohme — any other evidence to back up your claim? do— any other evidence to back up your claim? do i— any other evidence to back up your claim? jhir : ex any other evidence to back up your claim? jhir : your claim? do i need any other evidence? would you would you say that to somebody? would you say that to somebody? would you say to somebody who's just say that to somebody who's just been the victim of racism? would you say, oh, what other racism this enough this is? this isn't enough racism? yes, i would. you would. i racism? yes, i would. you would. h—oeh— racism? yes, i would. you would. h—oeh hor- racism? yes, i would. you would. h—oeh for eome- i would i would ask for some more statistics— i would i would ask for some more statistics back a more statistics to back up a ohohm— more statistics to back up a ehohm, hhhe— more statistics to back up a claim, like saying that systemic racism exists,— claim, like saying that systemic racism exists, but— claim, like saying that systemic racism exists, but it's anti whhhe— racism exists, but it's anti whhre. so— racism exists, but it's anti white. so why— racism exists, but it's anti white. so why do evidence why ooh-r— white. so why do evidence why ooh-r you— white. so why do evidence why ooh-r you turn— white. so why do evidence why don't you turn on— white. so why do evidence why don't you turn on turn on itv oho— don't you turn on turn on itv mo wohr— don't you turn on turn on itv mo wohr hor— don't you turn on turn on itv and wait for an— don't you turn on turn on itv and wait for an ad- don't you turn on turn on itv and wait for an ad break and then— and wait for an ad break and then eee— and wait for an ad break and then see what— and wait for an ad break and then see what the represent erorhoh— then see what the represent erorhoh he— then see what the represent station is in— then see what the represent station is in the— then see what the represent station is in the in the adverts to e— station is in the in the adverts ro hr— station is in the in the adverts ro hr hr-e— station is in the in the adverts to see if it's i— station is in the in the adverts to see if it's i mean, britain is to see if it's i mean, britain he eere— to see if it's i mean, britain is 86% white,— to see if it's i mean, britain is 86% white, see if 86% of the heohhe— is 86% white, see if 86% of the heohhe h— is 86% white, see if 86% of the heohhe hh rhoee— is 86% white, see if 86% of the people in those adverts are whhhe— people in those adverts are whhre. he— people in those adverts are white. is that— people in those adverts are white. is that meant to be ewhoehee— white. is that meant to be evidence or— white. is that meant to be evidence or how much evidence do you heed— evidence or how much evidence do you need thor— evidence or how much evidence do you need that albie— evidence or how much evidence do

you need that albie i mean, it's euppoeeo— you need that albie i mean, it's euppoeeo ro— you need that albie i mean, it's euppoeeu ro-ohe- you need that albie i mean, it's supposed to one minute supposed to be a one minute monohoeue— supposed to be a one minute monologue. well, no, that's the.— monologue. well, no, that's the. rm— monologue. well, no, that's the. h-m tuer— monologue. well, no, that's fine. i'm just asking. we're hwhhh— fine. i'm just asking. we're having discussion now and having a discussion now and youre— having a discussion now and you-re—reohhyl you're not you're not really giving— you're not you're not really ehwhhg-you- you're not you're not really giving you check you're not you're not really- giving-you check your giving very. can you check your hhoeh— giving very. can you check your black privilege,— giving very. can you check your black privilege, please? \rhir black privilege, please? no, i won-r— black privilege, please? no, i won't, actually,— black privilege, please? no, i won't, actually, because i. i'm wearing black won't, actually, because i. i'm wearing-black privilege- won't, actually, because i. i'm. wearing-black privilege-my wearing my black privilege on my eheewe —hhoeh| wearing my black privilege on my eheerro—hhoehi wearing my black privilege on my sleevto just—blackl wearing my black privilege on my sleevto just prove black wearing my black privilege on my sleevto just prove it black wearing my black privilege on my sleevto just prove it even black shirt to just prove it even hook— shirt to just prove it even more. look there are systemic hhtuerheee— more. look there are systemic hhtuerheee h— more. look there are systemic injustices in society, and there are some people— injustices in society, and there are some people who argue that there— are some people who argue that there he— are some people who argue that there is systemic— are some people who argue that there is systemic racism against heohhe— there is systemic racism against heohhe or— there is systemic racism against people of colour— there is systemic racism against people of colour .— there is systemic racism against people of colour . some people people of colour. some people argue— people of colour. some people oreue thor— people of colour. some people argue that there's— people of colour. some people argue that there's systemic racism against— argue that there's systemic racism against white people. i howe— racism against white people. i have ro— racism against white people. i have ro-you-re— racism against white people. i have to you're the first have to say, you're the first hereon— have to say, you're the first person - heard - have to say, you're the first person heard make that person i've heard make that argument— person i've heard make that argument because argument seriously, because eeoryhe— argument seriously, because everyone—ho.- argument seriously, because- everyone _to. when everyone is too scared to. when heohhe— everyone is too scared to. when heohhe rohh— everyone is too scared to. when people talk about— everyone is too scared to. when people talk about systemic racism - black - people talk about systemic racism black people or racism towards black people or hehoh— racism towards black people or hehoh reophe— racism towards black people or asian people, they use proper erorherhee— asian people, they use proper statistics from _ asian people, they use proper statistics from the office of worhohoh— statistics from the office of national statistics, such as the erorherhe— national statistics, such as the statistic about— national statistics, such as the statistic about health care outcomes . if— statistic about health care outcomes . if we look, for outcomes. if we look, for exomohe— outcomes. if we look, for example, about about women giving— example, about about women giving hhrrh— example, about about women giving hhrrh .— example, about about women giving hhrrh , we— example, about about women giving birth , we know that black giving birth, we know that black and giving birth, we know that black one hehoh— giving birth, we know that black and asian women— giving birth, we know that black and asian women are 3 or 4 times hhhehy— and asian women are 3 or 4 times hhhehy ro— and asian women are 3 or 4 times more likely to die— and asian women are 3 or 4 times more likely to die in— and asian women are 3 or 4 times more likely to die in childbirth rhoh— more likely to die in childbirth rhoh whhre— more likely to die in childbirth than white women, and that's heeouee— than white women, and that's heeouee or— than white women, and that's because of racism . ' ti because of racism. are you eeome— because of racism. are you seeing birth canals are racist against people? leo i'm actually the oeruoh—

against people? leo i'm actually the actual process— against people? leo i'm actually the actual process of— rig? 7 leo i'm actually the actual process of birth is roeheh — the actual process of birth is roeheh hur— the actual process of birth is racist. but you're— the actual process of birth is racist. but you're not willing to engage— racist. but you're not willing to engage whrh— racist. but you're not willing to engage with it? no but that's not oh— to engage with it? no but that's not an example. _ to engage with it? no but that's not an example. that's not an example of systemic racism to job adverts. there's no evidence to that job adverts come in to show that job adverts come in here because. because not here because. because i'm not eure-eerrhhe— here because. because i'm not sure-getting anywhere. ti t because i'm not sure getting anywhere with sure we're getting anywhere with this sure we're getting anywhere with the homewor— sure we're getting anywhere with this particular line. let's roeue— this particular line. let's focus-adverts. focus on these adverts themselves— focus on these adverts themselves ,- focus on these adverts themselves , please. yeah, i themselves, please. yeah, i rhhhh— themselves, please. yeah, i rhhhh you— themselves, please. yeah, i think you can— themselves, please. yeah, i think you can read albie argue thor— think you can read albie argue that h— think you can read albie argue that h he— think you can read albie argue that it is discriminatory oeohher— that it is discriminatory against white people if they are not against white people if they are hot ohhoweo— against white people if they are not allowed to— against white people if they are not allowed to apply for a government— not allowed to apply for a government job. “his government job. yes, i have a lot government job. yes, i have a hot or— government job. yes, i have a lot of sympathy for that. but what i disagree with vehemently is that those two job adverts are evidence that there's systemic racism against white people britain. mean , come systemic racism against white peospecificallyn. mean , come systemic racism against white peospecifically i'm mean , come systemic racism against white peospecifically i'm notin , come systemic racism against white peospecifically i'm not sayingie on. specifically i'm not saying there is or there isn't. that was leia's argument- there is or there isn't. that was leia's argument in- sriti sriti e that was leia's argument in that department— was leia's argument in that department that government department.— department that government department. tfl would you say thor— department. tfl would you say the ther— department. tfl would you say that their recruitment process eouho —ro - that their recruitment process eouho —ro he - that their recruitment process could to be racist? could be argued to be racist? hhere-e— could be argued to be racist? there's nothing— could be argued to be racist? there's nothing there's no argument— there's nothing there's no argument oh— there's nothing there's no argument on the basis that is discriminatory. _ argument on the basis that is discriminatory. e argument on the basis that is discriminatory. t argument on the basis that is discriminatory. e t : discriminatory. it comes down to government not be doing it. it comes down to government policy as comes down to government policy oe wehh — comes down to government policy oe wehh so— comes down to government policy as well. so under— comes down to government policy as well. so under the equality act as well. so under the equality her-ewere,— as well. so under the equality act-adverts, these- act job adverts, these

government - act job adverts, these government departments are ohhoweo— government departments are ohhoweolhoer— government departments are allowed post race at job allowed to post race at job oheme.— allowed to post race at job where. hhey— allowed to post race at job adverts. they should not be hoerhhe— adverts. they should not be hoerhhg rhoee— adverts. they should not be posting those job adverts in thor— posting those job adverts in that why. — posting those job adverts in that way. thank- posting those job adverts in that way. “r?"h posting those job adverts in that way. ’with posting those job adverts in that way. with it; g that way. thank you for agreeing with me. i don't. your argument was that there's anti—white racism and it's systemic. well, you gave two pieces of rubbish evidence. bring that. we'll bnng evidence. bring that. we'll bring back evidence. bring that. we'll bring-back.screenl evidence. bring that. we'lli bring-back.screen on bring that back on screen on the— bring that back on screen on the advert— bring that back on screen on this advert from _ bring that back on screen on this advert from tfl where oeruohhy— this advert from tfl where oeruohhy hr— this advert from tfl where actually it says— this advert from tfl where actually it says that you must be actually it says that you must he or— actually it says that you must he or them— actually it says that you must he or hhoeh .— actually it says that you must be of black , asian and minority be of black, asian and minority erhhhe— be of black, asian and minority ethnic background . and do you ethnic background. and do you rhhhh— ethnic background. and do you rhhhh there— ethnic background. and do you think that's actually okay as a job think that's actually okay as a hot ohhhheorhoh— think that's actually okay as a job application or— think that's actually okay as a job application or job? absolutely— job application or job? absolutely positive discrimination, which is what the— discrimination, which is what the he— discrimination, which is what this is positive— discrimination, which is what this is positive about. e this is positive about. it is hmporhmh— this is positive about. it is important because you have institutional barriers that apply to groups like black and minority ethnic people . you minority ethnic people. you have. could you give me an example of one of these barriers? well, we know for example, you see the evidence that if someone with a non traditional british sounding name name on a cv, name puts their name on a cv, that are far less likely to that they are far less likely to be considered. there's swathes that they are far less likely to be evidenceid. there's swathes that they are far less likely to be evidence ed. therthat wathes that they are far less likely to beevidenceid. therthat .athes that they are far less likely to beevidenceid. therthat . nortje of evidence around that. nortje that's why blind cvs, ones that don't have the name is more important. so you think racism

should more should be fought with more racism? what i think is that, wehh— racism? what i think is that, wehh-tuer— racism? what i think is that, wehh-tuer-or- well, you're just full of nonsense.— well, you're just full of nonsense. that's exactly that's exoerhy— nonsense. that's exactly that's exoerhy whor— nonsense. that's exactly that's exactly what this— nonsense. that's exactly that's exactly what this is. this is racism. there's- exactly what this is. this is racism. “rit:i “ exactly what this is. this is racism. “ racism. there's a reason they call crass. there's call you leo crass. there's nobody calls me leo crass. you're literally called you'reyliterally called benjamin you're literally called benjamin butterworth— you're literally called benjamin butterworth, and— you're literally called benjamin butterworth, and you're criticising— butterworth, and you're criticising people's butterworth, and you're- criticising-people's names criticising other people's names . rhe— criticising other people's names . hhe reor— criticising other people's names . hhe her he— criticising other people's names . the fact is that— criticising other people's names . the fact is that there- criticising other people's names . the fact is that there is institutional racism . that means institutional racism. that means that white people appoint other white people, that they associate white people with certain skills and accomplishments and confidence and expectations that they see a black person. they see people for some other minority ethnic groups, and they make different assumptions. so you think that is it? you think this racism is okay? think this is okay? you think this this is a way that to people from way that says to people from those backgrounds they can a those backgrounds they can get a foot the ladder, but they foot on the ladder, but they wouldn't otherwise. when you wouldn't otherwise. when do you stop wouldn't otherwise. when do you eoe—whor— wouldn't otherwise. when do you eroh—whor hr- wouldn't otherwise. when do you eroh—whor hr you- stop doing that? what if you hook— stop doing that? what if you hoohlrhe— stop doing that? what if you look-the person- stop doing that? what if you look the person running look at the person who's running tflr_ look at the person who's running hrh—hhoh— look at the person who's running tfl,_khan. who?- look at the person who's running tfl, khan. who? him tfl, it is sadiq khan. who? him hhmeehr— tfl, it is sadiq khan. who? him hhmeehr he— tfl, it is sadiq khan. who? him himself is.ethnic_ tfl, it is sadiq khan. who? him himself is ethnic minority. himself is an ethnic minority. hete— himself is an ethnic minority. tee—hook,- himself is an ethnic minority. he's-back, hasn't. himself is an ethnic minority.- he's-back, hasn't he? he's been held back, hasn't he? hete— he's been held back, hasn't he? we managed— he's been held back, hasn't he? he's managed to— he's been held back, hasn't he? he's managed to become. on. he's managed to become. hang on. so he's managed to become. hang on. so-you— he's managed to become. hang on. so-you when— he's managed to become. hang on. so-you when to- he's managed to become. hang on. so-you when do you- he's managed to become. hang on. so you when do you stop so when do you when do you stop it? so when do you when do you stop hre when— so when do you when do you stop it? when completely it? when there's completely eouoh— it? when there's completely- eouoh—you equal representation? well, you just equal representation? well, you tuer-tuer— equal representation? well, you tuer-tuer eoho- equal representation? well, you just-just said-usel just said you just said you use sadiq—

just said you just said you use sadiq khm— just said you just said you use sadiq khan example of not sadiq khan as an example of not reche— sadiq khan as an example of not roehhe- — sadiq khan as an example of not roehhe- souhu- facing barriers. sadiq khan, quite uniquely the same quite uniquely faces the same police protection he police protection which he doesn't choice in. the doesn't get a choice in. as the prime minister and the king because so many racist. because he faces so many racist. i'm asking you when positive discrimination— i'm asking you when positive discrimination finish . discrimination should finish. when— discrimination should finish. when-too— discrimination should finish. when-job done?- discrimination should finish. when job done? well the when is the job done? well the job when is the job done? well the hot wouho— when is the job done? well the hot wouho he— when is the job done? well the job would be done. �*r�*y�*t�*tii" when is the job done? well the job would be done. �*r�*y�*t�*hil" when is the job done? well the job would be done. �*r�*y�*t�*tii" job would be done. when you see the evidence that someone with albie doesn't face the albie surname doesn't face the same assumptions as your son. well, but rishi sunak literally the prime minister. fair. the prime minister. that's fair. but and i'm not but rishi sunak had and i'm not denying that he's overcome barriers, he had most barriers, but he had the most extraordinary going extraordinary privilege as going to most expensive to one of the most expensive schools and being to one of the most expensive schools to and being to one of the most expensive schools to a and being to one of the most expensive schools to a billionaire.aing to one of the most expensive schools to a billionaire. but married to a billionaire. but you need to you said that we need to institute analysed race racism institute analysed race racism in job selection, in candidate selection to combat, to combat use those words the racism that holds back rishi sunak who somehow managed to become prime minister. despite you being hmhoeehhhe— minister. despite you being impossible for— ii i“ despite you being impossible for somebody . impossible for somebody. understand,— impossible for somebody. understand, leo- impossible for somebody. understand, leo is- impossible for somebody. understand, leo is institutional racism well benjamin anecdotes , racism well benjamin anecdotes, not evidence. let's just say an example is the liberal prime minister. let's just say, for exomohe— minister. let's just say, for example, right,— ii i“ let's just say, for example, right, there are too many— example, right, there are too many gaye— example, right, there are too many eoye hh— example, right, there are too many gays in showbiz. perhaps. vee- — many gays in showbiz. perhaps. vee- wouhu— many gays in showbiz. perhaps. yes. would you actually support

a job application for. i don't know, a new tv presenter or something like that saying no gays allowed ? well, actually, i gays allowed? well, actually, i rhhhh— gays allowed? well, actually, i rhhhh eruh— gays allowed? well, actually, i think stuff like _ gays allowed? well, actually, i think stuff like that— gays allowed? well, actually, i think stuff like that is- gig: :7 well, actually, i think stuff like that is really hmoohohr— think stuff like that is really important because television is meant— important because television is meant ro— important because television is meant to reflect— important because television is meant to reflect the country. hhe— meant to reflect the country. one there— meant to reflect the country. and that's-the - meant to reflect the country. and that's the fact that and that's why the fact that oh— and that's why the fact that rohh hook— and that's why the fact that roll back but— and that's why the fact that roll back but roll back 20 years ago— roll back but roll back 20 years ego-ewere— roll back but roll back 20 years ego-oheme. — roll back but roll back 20 years ago adverts . ti roll back but roll back 20 years ago adverts . “hiti ago ipp adverts. there's no white people roll back 20 or 30 years and you would have had a much harder chance as an indian person or a black person getting on telly because racist views are more commonplace. roll back 50 and are more commonplace. roll back so-oho whhre— are more commonplace. roll back 50 _and white people - 50 years and white people oreeeeo— 50 years and white people oreeeeo uh— 50 years and white people dressed up as— 50 years and white people dressed up as minstrels to mock hhoeh— dressed up as minstrels to mock hhoeh-oh— dressed up as minstrels to mock black-on saturday- dressed up as minstrels to mock black on saturday night. black people on saturday night. wehh— black people on saturday night. wehh-whor— black people on saturday night. well,-what-tryingl well, that's what you're trying to overcome. ti q “g well, that's what you're trying to overcome. ti 4 “g to overcome. so we're trying to overcome something happened overcome something that happened . to . white racism. we're trying to overcome that happened overcome something that happened 50 your example of 50 years ago. your example of racism minstrels. yeah, racism is the minstrels. yeah, well, that was this— racism is the minstrels. yeah, well, that was this is- well, that was this is a particularly— well, that was this is a particularly fiery session . e particularly fiery session. it is, particularly fiery session. it he. eoruohhy. — particularly fiery session. it is, actually. darren- particularly fiery session. it is, actually. darren right . is, actually. darren right. we're still ahead, folks. hehtomhh— we're still ahead, folks. benjamin gets hit up over the hook— benjamin gets hit up over the heck of— benjamin gets hit up over the lack of housebuilding on our hreehoue— lack of housebuilding on our precious green— lack of housebuilding on our precious green belt. but errohehr— precious green belt. but errohghr uh— precious green belt. but straight up next, there's going to he— straight up next, there's going to he o— straight up next, there's going to he o ehee— straight up next, there's going to be a case by— straight up next, there's going to be a case by emily made for why—

to be a case by emily made for why huehhhe— to be a case by emily made for why backing families doesn't mean you're far— why backing families doesn't mean you're far right. yes, that reohhy— mean you're far right. yes, that reohhy he— mean you're far right. yes, that reohhy he he— mean you're far right. yes, that really is the ridiculous argument— really is the ridiculous argument that's been made this week— argument that's been made this week .— argument that's been made this week . hur— argument that's been made this week. but user— argument that's been made this week . but user with the saturday week. but user with the saturday five week. but user with the saturday the hhe— week. but user with the saturday the he oh— week. but user with the saturday five live on gb— week. but user with the saturday five live on gb news news .

sunshine it should feel pleasantly warm out there . i'm pleasantly warm out there. i'm jacob rees—mogg , the member of jacob rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east somerset and a former government minister for years i have walked the corridors of power in both westminster and the city of london. we need to have the oreumehre— i“ we need to have the arguments, discussion london. we need to have the- arguments,-discussion.how london. we need to have the- arg make s, - discussion i how i“ we need to have the arg make s, betterscussion how i“ we need to have the arg make s, better crop ion how i“ we need to have the arg make s, better crop failures, )w we make it better crop failures, hmhe— we make it better crop failures, remhhe, we— we make it better crop failures, famine, war, suffering on a eeehe— famine, war, suffering on a scale completely unimaginable. we scale completely unimaginable. we ee— scale completely unimaginable. we hurrhhe— scale completely unimaginable. we are putting the cart before the horee— we are putting the cart before the horee .— we are putting the cart before the horee . he— we are putting the cart before the horse . as charles the first the horse. as charles the first eeho — the horse. as charles the first eeho er— the horse. as charles the first eeho er rhe — the horse. as charles the first said at the scaffold, he was the hue— said at the scaffold, he was the true defender— said at the scaffold, he was the true defender of— said at the scaffold, he was the true defender of liberty. yeah rye— true defender of liberty. yeah i've completely— true defender of liberty. yeah i've completely derailed the conversation _ i've completely derailed the conversation .— i've completely derailed the conversation . join me monday to conversation. join me monday to hhureoey— conversation. join me monday to hhureoey er— conversation. join me monday to hhureoey er 8— conversation. join me monday to thursday at 8 p.m._ conversation. join me monday to thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, hrhrehh-e— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news channel. join me cemhhhe— britain's news channel. join me camilla tominey_ britain's news channel. join me camilla tominey at 9.30 on suhoey— camilla tominey at 9.30 on sunday morning— camilla tominey at 9.30 on sunday morning when i'll be eheehhhe— sunday morning when i'll be eheehhhe ro— sunday morning when i'll be speaking to theresa coffey. the hmwhrommemr— speaking to theresa coffey. the environment secretary, about the pollution in britain's rivers and the price of food in the

supermarkets and whether the tories cut tax. tories are going to cut tax. i'll also be joined by andrea jenkins , who rishi sunak jenkins, who thinks rishi sunak should more kerb should do more to kerb legal immigration. should do more to kerb legal immigration . all that and more immigration. all that and more with me camilla tominey 9:30 am. on . am. on. sunday welcome back to an incredibly fiery, i think it's safe to say saturday five. as always , cheers saturday five. as always, cheers very— saturday five. as always, cheers very much— saturday five. as always, cheers very much for— saturday five. as always, cheers very much for all— saturday five. as always, cheers very much for all of— ce; �*7 as always, cheers very much for all of your emails ehour— very much for all of your emails about tonight's— very much for all of your emails about tonight's topics. maggie's wrhrreh— about tonight's topics. maggie's wrhrreh hh— about tonight's topics. maggie's written in and— about tonight's topics. maggie's written in and she— about tonight's topics. maggie's written in and she says positive ro— written in and she says positive ro ohe— written in and she says positive racism to one person is negative , ro— racism to one person is negative , racism to another.— racism to one person is negative , racism to another. it is all ewhh— , racism to another. it is all ewhh ouhre— , racism to another. it is all evil. quite right— , racism to another. it is all evil. quite right for thought. how— evil. quite right for thought. how he— evil. quite right for thought. now it's time— evil. quite right for thought. now it's time for our next eeome.— now it's time for our next oehere. uh— now it's time for our next debate. up next, it's going to be debate. up next, it's going to he hmhhy— debate. up next, it's going to he hmhhy ehe— debate. up next, it's going to be emily and emily's going to reh— be emily and emily's going to rehh ue— be emily and emily's going to rehh ue why— be emily and emily's going to tell us why supporting the remhhy— tell us why supporting the family institution doesn't mean rhet— family institution doesn't mean the youe— family institution doesn't mean the youre rer— family institution doesn't mean that you're far right off you go,— that you're far right off you go, hmhhy— that you're far right off you go, hmhhy. wee.— that you're far right off you go, hmhhy. wee. — that you're far right off you go, emily. yes. �*tftthitt shiti that you're far right off you go, emily. yes. �*tftthitt sriti go, emily. yes. well, there you go. so danny kruger mp was torn to shreds this week after he suggested at a conservative

conference that parents should stay together for the sake of the family and that the normative family, i.e. the family and that the normative family, le. a family consisting of two parents, is the only basis for a safe and functioning society. so let's have a look at what he had to say. and you can judge the normative family held together by marriage , by mother and by marriage, by mother and father sticking together for the sake of the children and the sake of the children and the sake of the children and the sake of their own parents and the sake of themselves , as this the sake of themselves, as this is the only possible basis for a safe and successful society . so safe and successful society. so there you go. according to twitter , that was the most twitter, that was the most controversial , outrageous, far controversial, outrageous, far right bigoted thing that one could ever say . people pointed could ever say. people pointed out that people suffer in abusive marriages and can be victims of domestic violence and therefore, how dare danny kruger, even suggests that people should stay together, either in partnerships for the sake of children and society ? sake of children and society? firstly, although i don't know for sure , i can't be sure, for sure, i can't be sure, i seriously doubt that danny kruger would argue that if you're beaten by your partner ,

you're beaten by your partner, you're beaten by your partner, you should with them you should stay with them regardless . and secondly, this regardless. and secondly, this doesn't away from the doesn't take away from the broader point that we should be able discuss the benefits of able to discuss the benefits of marriage without being accused of being far right, or as some way bigoted of people who choose other ways of living . marriage other ways of living. marriage is, by and large, the best way to children. there are to raise children. there are statistics to show that and saying strong families are good for society does not make you a nutcase . of course, that's not nutcase. of course, that's not to say that people should be shamed or ostracised for being single parents. course they single parents. of course they shouldn't. but the time, shouldn't. but at the same time, marriage should be something thatis marriage should be something that is encouraged and celebrated. let's see what the shamed and shameless former health secretary matt hancock had to say . health secretary matt hancock had to say. huge applause there for demy— had to say. huge applause there for danny kruger. _ had to say. huge applause there for danny kruger. your- “ritr: huge applause there for danny kruger. your reaction? it for danny kruger. your reaction? h he— for danny kruger. your reaction? h he eo— for danny kruger. your reaction? h he eo .— for danny kruger. your reaction? h he eo , eo— for danny kruger. your reaction? it is so , so offensive. ' “r: for danny kruger. your reaction? it is so , so offensive. '“r: e it is so, so offensive. and it's so wrong. i mean, tell that to the king. you know, he doesn't have a normative family and he is absolutely a strong basis for society . arnie i mean, to make society. arnie i mean, to make the argument that if you're in

an abusive marriage, you must stick together for the sake of the kids. otherwise you're somehow undermining society . somehow undermining society. arnie right. von somehow undermining society. arnie right . von the tories arnie right. von the tories i wouho— arnie right. von the tories i wouho eey— arnie right. von the tories i wouho eey ee— arnie right. von the tories i would say as if— arnie right. von the tories i would say as if we- '“ hi ?3“ von the tories i would say as if we should '“ hi 3g“ von the tories i would say as if we should be rehhhe— would say as if we should be taking lectures— would say as if we should be taking lectures from mr hancock wheh— taking lectures from mr hancock wheh hr— taking lectures from mr hancock wheh hr omee— taking lectures from mr hancock when it comes to— taking lectures from mr hancock when it comes to family and meme — when it comes to family and marriage. farage_ when it comes to family and marriage. farage perhaps it's herohy— marriage. farage perhaps it's hardly surprising that man who hardly surprising that a man who cheered— hardly surprising that a man who cheered-hhe— hardly surprising that a man who cheated-his wife— hardly surprising that a man who cheated his wife and walked cheated on his wife and walked out cheated on his wife and walked our—wowe- cheated on his wife and walked out—would findi out on his children would find hrueer-e— out on his children would find hrueer-e-so- out on his children would find kruger's so offensive. kruger's speech. so offensive. it kruger's speech. so offensive. hlhor— kruger's speech. so offensive. it not controversial say it is not controversial to say her— it is not controversial to say rher—herehre- it is not controversial to say that—parents is. it is not controversial to say. that—parents is the that having two parents is the ohrhmeh— that having two parents is the ohrhmeh-rehee- that having two parents is the optimal-raise a- that having two parents is the optimal raise a family, optimal way to raise a family, tuer—hor- just like how it's not controversial to that just like how it's not- controversial to .that it's controversial to say that it's moer— controversial to say that it's most beneficial— controversial to say that it's most beneficial to be born with two— most beneficial to be born with two feet,— most beneficial to be born with two reeh .eyee— most beneficial to be born with two feet,-eyes and- most beneficial to be born with two feet, eyes and two arms. two feet, two eyes and two arms. hhere— two feet, two eyes and two arms. hhere we— two feet, two eyes and two arms. hhere we go. — two feet, two eyes and two arms. there we go. that's— two feet, two eyes and two arms. there we go. that's palava. there we go. that's my palava. sorted,— there we go. that's my palava. sorted,-finished- there we go. that's my palava. sorted, finished anyone sorted, done. finished anyone got sorted, done. finished anyone tor-ro— sorted, done. finished anyone got-ho eeye— sorted, done. finished anyone got-to say? yeah- sorted, done. finished anyone got-to say? yeah i. sorted, done. finished anyone got to say? yeah i mean got anything to say? yeah i mean , i got anything to say? yeah i mean , h rhhhh— got anything to say? yeah i mean , h rhhhh rhe— got anything to say? yeah i mean , i think the truth— got anything to say? yeah i mean , i think the truth is— got anything to say? yeah i mean , i think the truth is that eeruehhy— , i think the truth is that actually those - , i think the truth is that actually those kind of attitudes wheh— actually those kind of attitudes when they— actually those kind of attitudes when they prevailed far more errohehy— when they prevailed far more errohehy .— when they prevailed far more errohehy , ehe— when they prevailed far more strongly , did lead to a lot of strongly, did lead to a lot of peophe. — strongly, did lead to a lot of peophe. hr— strongly, did lead to a lot of peophe. h they— strongly, did lead to a lot of people. �*7 rrhiti people. if they were, for example , a woman being abused by example, a woman being abused by their husband, feeling that they would be letting down expectations. when you say that thatis expectations. when you say that that is the way that things have to be, you get people who get into terrible pickles, whether they romantically fall out or

something more as something far more serious as abuse. can't that . abuse. and they can't do that. and the same time, danny and then at the same time, danny kruger leith, off, kruger, prue leith, sun off, bake off those who bake off for those who don't know, has also voted against know, he has also voted against and argued against gay people being able to have same sex marriages . being able to have same sex marriages. so he being able to have same sex marriages . so he believes being able to have same sex marriages. so he believes in marriages. so he believes in marriage for people like him, but not for people like me. i actually think marriage is a really useful institution. so why is he against it? are you against that? i'm just so taken aback. although against that? i'm just so taken aback . although i'm not shocked. aback. although i'm not shocked. i'm aback. although i'm not shocked. h-m hor— aback. although i'm not shocked. i'm not surprised,— t although i'm not shocked. i'm not surprised, really, that heohhe— i'm not surprised, really, that heohhe eeem— i'm not surprised, really, that heohhe ro— i'm not surprised, really, that people seem to find it so ohehehwe— people seem to find it so offensive that— people seem to find it so offensive that someone would eueeeer— offensive that someone would eueeeer hher— offensive that someone would eueeeer the e— offensive that someone would suggest that a mother and father is a beneficial— suggest that a mother and father is a beneficial way— suggest that a mother and father is a beneficial way to live your hhe— is a beneficial way to live your hhe ehe— is a beneficial way to live your hhe eho ro— is a beneficial way to live your life and to support children. yes— life and to support children. wee hhere— life and to support children. yes, there are— life and to support children. yes, there are other people who ehooee— yes, there are other people who choose different— yes, there are other people who choose different ,_ yes, there are other people who choose different , different ways choose different, different ways of choose different, different ways or hwhhh— choose different, different ways or hhwhhe ehe— choose different, different ways of living and different ways of rormhhe— of living and different ways of rormhhe e— of living and different ways of forming a family.— of living and different ways of forming a family. but leo, don't you— forming a family. but leo, don't you rhhhh— forming a family. but leo, don't you rhhhh hr-e— forming a family. but leo, don't you think it's just— forming a family. but leo, don't you think it's just so ridiculous- you think it's just so ridiculous this strong backlash? heeh— ridiculous this strong backlash? heeh h— ridiculous this strong backlash? weeh h mee— ridiculous this strong backlash? yeah, i mean, i'm— ridiculous this strong backlash? yeah, i mean, i'm not i'm not eurhrheerh — yeah, i mean, i'm not i'm not eumrheerh hm— yeah, i mean, i'm not i'm not surprised. in 2023,- yeah, i mean, i'm not i'm not surprised. “ $2025 “g surprised. in 2023, something that would just be a normal thing to say. 20 years ago is suddenly the most outrageously offensive. far right, far right thing. and i mean regarding i

don't agree with him on on gay marriage. i mean, i think gay marriage. i mean, i think gay marriage should many people voted against gay marriage. so he may a different view he may have a different view how-iooh-r— he may have a different view now. .don't know. - he may have a different view now. don't know. we don't now. we don't know. we don't know— now. we don't know. we don't know wher— now. we don't know. we don't know wher he— now. we don't know. we don't know what he thinks. i think gay merrheee— know what he thinks. i think gay marriage should— know what he thinks. i think gay marriage should actually be mehoerory— marriage should actually be mandatory i mandatory for you, benjamin. i rhhmh— mandatory for you, benjamin. i rhhmhlehouhu— mandatory for you, benjamin. i thinklshould be— mandatory for you, benjamin. i think should be punishment think it should be a punishment for but but what do you for you. but but what do you mean, a punishment- but what do you mean, a punishment for his porehrheh— potential partner or benjamin? it potential partner or benjamin? h—emy— potential partner or benjamin? h—emy eeme- it doesn't make any sense. there's reason nobody calls there's a reason nobody calls you leo cursive, because that's completely off. how many of these you make up? that was these did you make up? that was these did you make up? that was the fourth ehe— these did you make up? that was the fourth and final. _ these did you make up? that was the fourth and final. did- these did you make up? that was the fourth and final. did you re? hhe— the fourth and final. did you re? oh you— the fourth and final. did you pee? did you pee?- the fourth and final. j r: 7 did you pee? somebody on pee? did you pee? somebody on them— pee? did you pee? somebody on them for— pee? did you pee? somebody on fiverr for these? _ 7 did you pee? somebody on fiverr for these? /hi:r. ti grir “g fiverr for these? you're going to get rude after that one, i think. yeah. i mean i've i've got a baby. i'm raising the baby whrh— got a baby. i'm raising the baby whrh my— got a baby. i'm raising the baby whrh my whe— got a baby. i'm raising the baby with my wife as— got a baby. i'm raising the baby with my wife as just— grir i'm raising the baby with my wife as just like ghr i'm raising the baby with my wife as just like just hhe— with my wife as just like just hhhe hhrher— with my wife as just like just like hitler would do. so. yeah i meehlrhhhh— like hitler would do. so. yeah i mean,ithink it's— like hitler would do. so. yeah i mean, think it's ridiculous mean, i think it's ridiculous rhet— mean, i think it's ridiculous rheh-hhow— mean, i think it's ridiculous that, know, having that, you know, just having a hehy— that, you know, just having a hehy-ereyhhe— that, you know, just having a hehy-ereyhhe hh- that, you know, just having a baby-staying in a- that, you know, just having a baby staying in a marriage baby and staying in a marriage can-seen as far— baby and staying in a marriage can seen as far right. can be seen as far right. i mean, definitely going to mean, i'm definitely going to ehe— mean, i'm definitely going to me he— mean, i'm definitely going to and the reason— mean, i'm definitely going to and the reason why i say it can be and the reason why i say it can he eee— and the reason why i say it can he ee rer— and the reason why i say it can be seen as far right is because h-m — be seen as far right is because h-m .90in9_ be seen as far right is because h-m-eohhe ro— be seen as far right is because i'm .going to name- be seen as far right is because i'm going to name any names, i'm not going to name any names, but i'm not going to name any names, huh-eeeueeo— i'm not going to name any names, but-accused of— i'm not going to name any names, but accused of having but i was accused of having wewe— but i was accused of having hher— but i was accused of having views that belonged in 1930 and for hehhe— views that belonged in 1930 and for hehhelrhehr— views that belonged in 1930 and for being-right for— views that belonged in 1930 and for being right for saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily right for saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is'ight for saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is a ht for saying views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is a good saying

views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is a good basisg views that belonged in 1930 and for tfamily is a good basis for that family is a good basis for a that family is a good basis for e-ro— that family is a good basis for a-to function. - that family is a good basis for a-to function. yes,- a society to function. yes, rheto— a society to function. yes, there wher— a society to function. yes, that's what said. and it was that's what you said. and it was wrong the person to call you wrong of the person to call you a for that. but that's not it didn't use the word. that's not what not that's not what that's not what that's not what that's not what that's not what kruger said. what what danny kruger said. what danny was, is that danny kruger said was, is that a normative family is the only possible basis for a safe and functioning society . the only functioning society. the only possible basis for a safe and functioning society. that is what is offensive, because there are hundreds, if not thousands, if not millions of people in this country who do not come from as a basis. i finish my point as a basis. can i finish my point? who do not come from normative families ? and to say normative families? and to say that the only possible basis for normative families? and to say tisafeie only possible basis for normative families? and to say tisafe andily possible basis for normative families? and to say tisafe and functioning basis for normative families? and to say tisafe and functioning societyr a safe and functioning society is that you have the privilege of two parents who are of having two parents who are married, stayed together. married, who stayed together. a privilege didn't have privilege that i didn't have that i did have that i wish i did have is offensive . and actually, think offensive. and actually, i think if the conservative want to package up 20th century social conservatism and sell it in the 21st century, it's not going to do very well. i wonder because you— do very well. i wonder because you eeho— do very well. i wonder because you eeho hher— do very well. i wonder because you said that you— do very well. i wonder because you said that you wish- r:hr rhig iwonder because you said that you wish not to go hero— you said that you wish not to go hhro your—

you said that you wish not to go into your personal— you said that you wish not to go into your personal background too-hur— into your personal background too-outlie- into your personal background too-but-did just. into your personal background too but did just say too much, but you did just say i wouho— too much, but you did just say i wouho hewe— too much, but you did just say i would have preferred to have had two-heeme.— would have preferred to have had two-parents. isn't- would have preferred to have had two parents. isn't that two married parents. isn't that wher— two married parents. isn't that wher hete— two married parents. isn't that what he's saying?— two married parents. isn't that what he's saying? that it is the ohrhmeh— what he's saying? that it is the ohrhmeh rhhhe— what he's saying? that it is the optimal thing that he said rerher— optimal thing that he said rather than— optimal thing that he said rather than basis based ? es i.e. rather than basis based? es i.e. eomerhhhe— rather than basis based? es i.e. eomerhhhe ro— rather than basis based? es i.e. something to build upon a eoehery— something to build upon a eoehery ro— something to build upon a society to build upon the metorhry— society to build upon the metorhry or— society to build upon the majority of people . hopefully majority of people. hopefully hewhhe— majority of people. hopefully hewhhe hher— majority of people. hopefully having that kind of way of way of having that kind of way of way or hwhhh— having that kind of way of way or hhwhhe he— having that kind of way of way of living is that— having that kind of way of way of living is that a— having that kind of way of way of living is that a really, reehhy— of living is that a really, really controversial thing? you tuer— really controversial thing? you tuer eereeo— really controversial thing? you just agreed with— really controversial thing? you just agreed with him? albie do i eouho— just agreed with him? albie do i sound bigoted? _ just agreed with him? albie do i sound bigoted? r: r: sound bigoted? say i did not just you said i'd prefer to have had. of course it would have been my preference to have had my parents stay together. but clearly, it's not the only possible to have a safe possible basis to have a safe and functioning society, because here functioning fine. we here i am functioning fine. we know, we know. and “rthr“ “g �*7 we know, we know. and people have hooked— know, we know. and people have hooked-rhe— know, we know. and people have looked-this. many- know, we know. and people have looked this. many viewers looked into this. many viewers whhh— looked into this. many viewers wit-.— looked into this. many viewers whhh-. we— looked into this. many viewers will-. we know- looked into this. many viewers will . we know that, will know that. we know that, unfortunately, _ will know that. we know that, unfortunately, from will know that. we know that, unfortufamilies from will know that. we know that, unfortufamilies are from will know that. we know that, unfortufamilies are more)m will know that. we know that, unfortufamilies are more likely broken families are more likely to broken families are more likely ho ho— broken families are more likely to to oee— broken families are more likely to do worse at— broken families are more likely to do worse at school and end up in to do worse at school and end up he — to do worse at school and end up he hhe— to do worse at school and end up in crime. and this— to do worse at school and end up in crime. and this is— to do worse at school and end up in crime. and this is not eomerhhhe— in crime. and this is not something that means to say that every— something that means to say that every ehhho— something that means to say that every child who's— something that means to say that every child who's from a broken remhhy— every child who's from a broken remhhy he— every child who's from a broken remhhy he going— every child who's from a broken family is going to— every child who's from a broken family is going to end up that wey— family is going to end up that wey. or— family is going to end up that wey. or ouee— family is going to end up that way. of course not. but i think we ehouho— way. of course not. but i think we ehouho he— way. of course not. but i think we should be .only- way. of course not. but i think we should be only possible we should be the only possible

heehe— we should be the only possible heehelhre— we should be the only possible heehelhre — we should be the only possible basis,.it? but— we should be the only possible basis,.it? but it— we should be the only possible basis,.it? but it is- we should be the only possible basis, it? e basis, is it? but it is the best basis. it is the best- basis. it is the best foundation,- it is the best foundation, the only possible. hur— foundation, the only possible. hurleouree.— foundation, the only possible. butlcourse, it's— foundation, the only possible. but course, it's not the only but of course, it's not the only hoeehhhe— but of course, it's not the only possible basis. _ but of course, it's not the only possible basis. i— but of course, it's not the only possible basis. r: tirritrgtihi but of course, it's not the only possible basis. r: tirritrgtiri possible basis. i disagree with, but reacting. that's but i am. i'm reacting. that's fine. with danny fine. you disagree with danny kruger, that's fine. but i am reacting more to the ridiculous overreaction and overreaction to his comments and the idea family is the idea that family is something shouldn't, you something that we shouldn't, you know, far know, talk about positively far right albie no, think that's i right albie no, i think that's i think a nonsense comment. think that's a nonsense comment. but think it's but equally, i think it's eomhherehy— but equally, i think it's. completely _for but equally, i think it's- completely _for people but equally, i think it's- co be letely _for people but equally, i think it's- co be offended _for people but equally, i think it's- co be offended by-for people but equally, i think it's co be offended by someoneyeople but equally, i think it's co be offended by someone saying to be offended by someone saying the ohhy— to be offended by someone saying the only possible— to be offended by someone saying the only possible basis for a eere— the only possible basis for a safe .functioning- the only possible basis for a safe functioning society are safe and functioning society are ehe— safe and functioning society are men and women to get married and hewe— men and women to get married and hewe ehhhoreh— men and women to get married and hewe ehhhoreh. h— men and women to get married and have children. i wonder if it'll be have children. i wonder if it'll he reh— have children. i wonder if it'll he he yeere— have children. i wonder if it'll be ten years since— have children. i wonder if it'll be ten years since the tories heeeeo— be ten years since the tories heeeeo eme— be ten years since the tories passed same marriage i passed same sex marriage and i rhhhh— passed same sex marriage and i rhhhh hhe— passed same sex marriage and i think it's disgusting that conservative— think it's disgusting that conservative this conservative mp is saying this in conservative mp is saying this hh—or- conservative mp is saying this hh—or ehh| in 2023. i mean, first of all, i rhhhh— in 2023. i mean, first of all, i rhhthhooh— in 2023. i mean, first of all, i think-look like— in 2023. i mean, first of all, i think-look like a- think we look like a dysfunctional family. i hate the term— dysfunctional family. i hate the term hroheh— dysfunctional family. i hate the term broken family because some of term broken family because some or rhoee— term broken family because some of those families— term broken family because some of those families are fixed by hor— of those families are fixed by not-together. - of those families are fixed by- not-together. .enough. not being together. fair enough. but ahead, we've going to but still ahead, we've going to have to finish on that one. still ahead, we lock horns. we're going lock horns over we're going to lock horns over benjamin's far benjamin's view that we need far more britain's more houses on britain's greenbelt. won't want to more houses on britain's greerit. lt. won't want to more houses on britain's greerit. you're won't want to more houses on britain's greerit. you're thei't want to more houses on britain's greerit. you're the saturday) miss it. you're the saturday five on .

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. it is time for our next and final debate. it's benjamin and final debate. it's benjamin and he's going to tell us about why we should be building more houses on the greenbelt. off you 90, houses on the greenbelt. off you go, benjamin. well, everyone's rewourhre— go, benjamin. well, everyone's rewourhre-or— go, benjamin. well, everyone's favourite-of the— go, benjamin. well, everyone's favourite .of the show. - ghr “ well, everyone's favourite of the show. good favourite part of the show. good eweehe— favourite part of the show. good evening, boomers— favourite part of the show. good evening, boomers .— favourite part of the show. good evening, boomers . you ruined evening, boomers. you ruined the— evening, boomers. you ruined the country.— evening, boomers. you ruined this country. you— evening, boomers. you ruined this country. you benefited ether— this country. you benefited eher rhe— this country. you benefited after the war— this country. you benefited after the war from a booming eoomy— after the war from a booming economy , from _ after the war from a booming economy , from millions of new economy, from millions of new homee— economy, from millions of new homee .— economy, from millions of new homee . from — economy, from millions of new homee . from eh— economy, from millions of new homes , from an economy that was homes, from an economy that was home— homes, from an economy that was oohhe rer— homes, from an economy that was doing far better— homes, from an economy that was doing far better and— homes, from an economy that was doing far better and getting rheheu— doing far better and getting rheher. hhe— doing far better and getting richer. and yet— doing far better and getting richer. and yet now , as your richer. and yet now, as your hhwee— richer. and yet now, as your hhwee ee— richer. and yet now, as your lives are winding down, too many wehh— lives are winding down, too many wem ro— lives are winding down, too many went to huh— lives are winding down, too many went to uh uh— lives are winding down, too many want to pull up the— lives are winding down, too many want to pull up the ladder. from my eehererhoh— want to pull up the ladder. from my gehererhoh .— want to pull up the ladder. from my generation . and nowhere is my generation. and nowhere is her— my generation. and nowhere is her more— my generation. and nowhere is that more evident— my generation. and nowhere is that more evident than in houehhe. — that more evident than in housing. yes,— that more evident than in housing. yes, i'm talking about the green— housing. yes, i'm talking about the green belt.— housing. yes, i'm talking about the green belt. it— housing. yes, i'm talking about the green belt. it keeps getting hater.— the green belt. it keeps getting bigger- rteohhe— the green belt. it keeps getting bigger. people think this is our heeurhruh— bigger. people think this is our heeurhruh .— bigger. people think this is our beautiful , pleasant land. it's

beautiful, pleasant land. it's oouhheo— beautiful, pleasant land. it's oouhheo hh— beautiful, pleasant land. it's doubled in the— beautiful, pleasant land. it's doubled in the last 20 or 30 yeere— doubled in the last 20 or 30 yeere from — doubled in the last 20 or 30 years from 6%_ doubled in the last 20 or 30 years from 6% of— doubled in the last 20 or 30 years from 6% of the country to 13. years from 6% of the country to he. hoomee— years from 6% of the country to 13. boomers are— years from 6% of the country to 13. boomers are controlling where— 13. boomers are controlling where heohhe— 13. boomers are controlling where people can live, and it's meehhhe— where people can live, and it's meehhhe hher— where people can live, and it's meaning that house prices are out meaning that house prices are our of— meaning that house prices are our of reeeh— meaning that house prices are out of reach for— meaning that house prices are out of reach for people like me now. even keir— out of reach for people like me now. even keir starmer and wheheeh— now. even keir starmer and michael gove— now. even keir starmer and michael gove have found some eereemehr— michael gove have found some eereemehr oh— michael gove have found some agreement on this— michael gove have found some agreement on this keir starmer i thought— agreement on this keir starmer i thought ee— agreement on this keir starmer i thought was really— agreement on this keir starmer i thought was really brave this week— thought was really brave this week when— thought was really brave this week when he _ thought was really brave this week when he said it's time to huhho— week when he said it's time to huhho oh— week when he said it's time to huhho on he— week when he said it's time to build on the green belt. you know— build on the green belt. you know wher— build on the green belt. you know wher h— build on the green belt. you know what i say— build on the green belt. you know what i say is what do we wehh— know what i say is what do we want? concrete?— know what i say is what do we want? concrete? where do we want it ? want? concrete? where do we want h e hore— want? concrete? where do we want h e hore more— want? concrete? where do we want it ? lots more places— want? concrete? where do we want it ? lots more places because the it? lots more places because the truth— it? lots more places because the truth he— it? lots more places because the truth he hher— it? lots more places because the truth is that we— it? lots more places because the truth is that we don't have enough— truth is that we don't have enough houses— truth is that we don't have enough houses in this country. vou— enough houses in this country. you know.— enough houses in this country. you know. you— enough houses in this country. you know, you have local eouhehhe— you know, you have local councils around britain who are eeereo ro— councils around britain who are more scared to look at the green heh— more scared to look at the green heh heh— more scared to look at the green belt than phillip— more scared to look at the green belt than phillip schofield is. to belt than phillip schofield is. ho hook— belt than phillip schofield is. ho hooh er— belt than phillip schofield is. to look at his— belt than phillip schofield is. to look at his twitter mentions -_why_ to look at his twitter mentions .—why we- to look at his twitter mentions .—why we heee- to look at his twitter mentions ._why we need to. . and that is why we need to cheese— . and that is why we need to ehehee-we— . and that is why we need to change-we need- . and that is why we need to change we need to have change this. we need to have a ehruerhoh— change this. we need to have a situation where— change this. we need to have a situation where we— change this. we need to have a situation where we stop thinking that situation where we stop thinking her he— situation where we stop thinking her the green— situation where we stop thinking that the green belt cannot be hurt— that the green belt cannot be huhh oh— that the green belt cannot be built on how— that the green belt cannot be built on how much of this country— built on how much of this country to— built on how much of this country do you- built on how much of this country do you think has housing on he— country do you think has housing on he toure— country do you think has housing on it? you're probably thinking 50, he. — on it? you're probably thinking 50, he. her— on it? you're probably thinking 50, he. her me— on it? you're probably thinking 50, 60. let me tell you, it's hor— 50, 60. let me tell you, it's not your— 50, 60. let me tell you, it's not your time— 50, 60. let me tell you, it's not your time ,_ 50, 60. let me tell you, it's not your time , leo. it's1.3% of not your time, leo. it's1.3% of

he— not your time, leo. it's1.3% of the country— not your time, leo. it's1.3% of the country has— not your time, leo. it's1.3% of the country has housing on it. he— the country has housing on it. he rhy— the country has housing on it. the they .— the country has housing on it. he rhhy . hhe— the country has housing on it. it's tiny . the truth is that we it's tiny. the truth is that we need — it's tiny. the truth is that we heed to — it's tiny. the truth is that we heed to rip— it's tiny. the truth is that we need to rip uh— it's tiny. the truth is that we need to rip up planning rules. we need to rip up planning rules. we heee— need to rip up planning rules. we need ro— need to rip up planning rules. we need to ignore the nimbys. hhoee— we need to ignore the nimbys. hhoee peohhe— we need to ignore the nimbys. those people that say, not in my heehyerrh— those people that say, not in my heehyerrh ehe— those people that say, not in my backyard, and we— those people that say, not in my backyard, and we need to start the eheeere— backyard, and we need to start the there oh— backyard, and we need to start the diggers on building across three— the diggers on building across hrhrehh .— the diggers on building across britain . now.— the diggers on building across britain . now. leo, it's your britain. now. leo, it's your rum— britain. now. leo, it's your turn . — britain. now. leo, it's your turn . benjamin.- britain. now. leo, it's your turn. “ titty britain. now. leo, it's your turn . “ titty r:hr britain. now. leo, it's your- turn . benjamin. why do you need turn. benjamin. why do you need a house? i mean, you're clearly happy with living in a skip . happy with living in a skip. also, the left have really changed. i mean, you used to be all about protecting the environment, and now you just want to concrete over all of it to accommodate all the people you want to bring into the country. well, you want to bring into the country . well, i mean, you live country. well, i mean, you live rem— country. well, i mean, you live rehr hee— country. well, i mean, you live rehr hee hh— country. well, i mean, you live rehr hee hh my— country. well, i mean, you live rent free in my head- thtr. well, i mean, you live rent free in my head judging by this rent free in my head judging by the evening-— rent free in my head judging by this evening. but— rent free in my head judging by this evening. but look, i'm not the ohe— this evening. but look, i'm not the one sitting— this evening. but look, i'm not the one sitting at— this evening. but look, i'm not the one sitting at home making up mehhemee— the one sitting at home making up nicknames for— the one sitting at home making up nicknames for you. i only sat here—hur— up nicknames for you. i only sat here—huh you- here doing that. but you know, the here doing that. but you know, hhe-he— here doing that. but you know, the-is-actually- here doing that. but you know, the is actually this the truth is that actually this myth— the truth is that actually this myth-he— the truth is that actually this myth-he eh— the truth is that actually this myth is all beautiful myth that it is all beautiful eounhryehhe— myth that it is all beautiful countryside, that the lake countryside, that it's the lake hherrher— countryside, that it's the lake district cotswolds , it's district or the cotswolds, it's tuer— district or the cotswolds, it's her-hho— district or the cotswolds, it's just and actually, district or the cotswolds, it's- just-and actually, why just nonsense. and actually, why ehouho— just nonsense. and actually, why ehouhe heohhe— just nonsense. and actually, why should people-me- just nonsense. and actually, why should people me have, you should people like me have, you know.— should people like me have, you hhowlhohooh— should people like me have, you know,.london it's— should people like me have, you know, london it's like five, know, in london it's like five, heooooo— know, in london it's like five, heooooole— know, in london it's like five, £600,000 a small flat. we £600,000 for a small flat. we eee-r— £600,000 for a small flat. we eeh-r-hhhe— £600,000 for a small flat. we can't-like this. - £600,000 for a small flat. we can't like this. turn? £600,000 for a small flat. we can't like this. �*tftt’“«r7’ titty can't go on like this. why? why oom-r— can't go on like this. why? why uom-r we— can't go on like this. why? why don't we build on brownfield sites instead? and the

government, has got government, the state has got lots buildings . lots of unused buildings. there's lots industrial areas there's lots of industrial areas that can be be rejuvenated that can be can be rejuvenated and they're close to the facilities that houses actually need. instead of building valuable. darren wants the time. i valuable. darren wants the time. hleeruehhy— valuable. darren wants the time. hleeruehhy eeree— valuable. darren wants the time. i.actually agree on— valuable. darren wants the time. i.actually agree on the- darren wants the time. i actually agree on the point i do actually agree on the point of i do actually agree on the point or where— i do actually agree on the point of what's classified as ereenhehh— of what's classified as greenbelt. in- of what's classified as greenbelt. in cases of what's classified as- greenbelt. in _cases is greenbelt. in some cases is hhhe— greenbelt. in some cases is hhhe e— greenbelt. in some cases is insane. like a disused car wash, for exemphe— insane. like a disused car wash, for example. but— insane. like a disused car wash, for example. but but what i wouho— for example. but but what i wouho eey— for example. but but what i wouho eey he— for example. but but what i would say is i— for example. but but what i would say is i think it's really eeruehhy— would say is i think it's really eeruehhy euhre— would say is i think it's really actually quite offensive. and if i actually quite offensive. and if r eh— actually quite offensive. and if r eouho— actually quite offensive. and if i can sound like— actually quite offensive. and if i can sound like a— actually quite offensive. and if i can sound like a snowflake for a i can sound like a snowflake for e momer— i can sound like a snowflake for e momer ro— i can sound like a snowflake for a moment to the— i can sound like a snowflake for a moment to the people that were paying— a moment to the people that were heyhhe eouhhe— a moment to the people that were paying double digit— a moment to the people that were paying double digit interest reree— paying double digit interest reree hor— paying double digit interest rates for their— paying double digit interest rates for their mortgages , that rates for their mortgages, that worked— rates for their mortgages, that worked pretty— rates for their mortgages, that worked pretty hard, actually, to eere— worked pretty hard, actually, to eere e— worked pretty hard, actually, to create a better— worked pretty hard, actually, to create a better life for themselves- create a better life for themselves and to pass to on her— themselves and to pass to on their children. _ themselves and to pass to on their children. but they're not heeehhe— their children. but they're not heeehhe hr— their children. but they're not heeehhe hr — their children. but they're not passing it on. struggling eeruehhy— passing it on. struggling actually struggling. in the peer.— actually struggling. in the peer. they— actually struggling. in the past, they went through the what heppeheo— past, they went through the what hehheheo hh— past, they went through the what hehhehee he he— past, they went through the what happened in the 1970s because of your— happened in the 1970s because of your hho— happened in the 1970s because of your hhe or— happened in the 1970s because of your kind of economics. �*tftthitt your kind of economics. well, i won-r— your kind of economics. well, i won-r hewe— your kind of economics. well, i won-r hewe e— your kind of economics. well, i won't have a liz— your kind of economics. well, i won't have a liz truss supporter talking about that, but you sound like liz truss, though. actually, benjamin, she's for all actually, benjamin, she's for ehh rhhhhhe— actually, benjamin, she's for all ripping up— actually, benjamin, she's for all ripping up all the planning rege— all ripping up all the planning rege-tuer— all ripping up all the planning rege-tuer ro- all ripping up all the planning rege-tuer to he- regs. but look, just to be clear huhhohhe— regs. but look, just to be clear buildingr h— regs. but look, just to be clear building, i think— regs. but look, just to be clear building, i think so many people

in building, i think so many people he the— building, i think so many people he the country— building, i think so many people in this country so— building, i think so many people in this country so many people of in this country so many people or-eehererhoh— in this country so many people of-generation, i'm- in this country so many people of generation, i'm not of that generation, i'm not eeyhhe— of that generation, i'm not eeyhhg-ohoh-r- of that generation, i'm not saying didn't work hard and saying they didn't work hard and they—ohemheel they didn't have to say dismiss rhem — they didn't have to say dismiss rhem -ohoh-r— they didn't have to say dismiss them _didn't have- them as they didn't have discipline. _ them as they didn't have discipline. iknow they you discipline. i know they did. you know, grandparents were know, my late grandparents were to let landlords and they to buy let landlords and they worked very for a moderate worked very hard for a moderate income. i from income. so i come from a background that but background that has that, but they're it on to they're not passing it on to their children because the market is warped. and the truth is the average rent this week outside over outside of london went over £1,000 a month. so where are people meant the money to people meant to get the money to buy these houses? and wouldn't buy these houses? and i wouldn't mind weren't blocking mind if they weren't blocking house in towns and house building, but in towns and cities across these country , cities across these country, people who moved into new builds 30, 40, 50 years ago won't let any new builds turn up. well, look, let's reduce immigration, benjamin. that's the answer. i rhhhh— benjamin. that's the answer. i rhhhh hhere— benjamin. that's the answer. i rhhhh rher-e e— benjamin. that's the answer. i think that's a really— “ that's the answer. i think that's a really lazy hohhh— think that's a really lazy hohhh hr— think that's a really lazy hohhh h he— think that's a really lazy point. it is not- think that's a really lazy point. it is not what and will point. it is not what and i will reh— point. it is not what and i will rehh you— point. it is not what and i will rehh you-h— point. it is not what and i will tell you _1 million- point. it is not what and i will tell you _1 million ipp.i tell you why. 1 million ipp. i'll tell you why. it's a lazy point because actually, even if we stopped immigration tomorrow and immigration, we and had net zero immigration, we would still have a massive housing shortage. now, of course, course we wouldn't be course, of course we wouldn't be making the problem worse. continue about to say.

continue to, i was about to say. but course, continued mass but of course, continued mass migration just exacerbates the situation. but the point is, benjamin is right. situation. but the point is, benjamin is right . we need to be benjamin is right. we need to be building more houses and actually there aren't enough brownfield sites to build all the houses that we need. so yes, we will need to build in some greenfield areas. what i would propose is building around train stations in the green belt which are just surrounded by fields. well, i think why not do that? who needs fields ? we get our who needs fields? we get our food— who needs fields? we get our food from — who needs fields? we get our food from tesco's._ who needs fields? we get our food from tesco's. forget 1.3% of food from tesco's. forget 1.3% or he— food from tesco's. forget 1.3% or the country— food from tesco's. forget 1.3% of the country is— food from tesco's. forget 1.3% of the country is built upon. wehh— of the country is built upon. wehh yeeh— of the country is built upon. wehh yeeh hur— of the country is built upon. well yeah but forget- of the country is built upon. well yeah but forget building jerusalem fields. that's an awful jerusalem fields. that's an ewruh hoh — jerusalem fields. that's an awful lot. no— jerusalem fields. that's an awful lot. no the- jerusalem fields. that's an awful lot. no the rest- : that's an awful lot. no the rest is. the reer— awful lot. no the rest is. the reer he— awful lot. no the rest is. the rest is countryside. the rest is rhehoe. — rest is countryside. the rest is rhehoe. herm— rest is countryside. the rest is fields. thtr. r:hi fields. farm countryside. wilderness— fields. farm countryside. wilderness world - fields. thtr. r:hi wilderness world actually, most of-agriculture. _ wilderness world actually, most of-agriculture. yes- wilderness world actually, most of agriculture. t/hitir tir. of it's agriculture. yes. you know.— of it's agriculture. yes. you know-hore— of it's agriculture. yes. you know, lots of that isn't know, and lots of that isn't even used. a lot of it is pretty rubbish land. i think a lot of heohhe— rubbish land. i think a lot of heohhe whhh— rubbish land. i think a lot of people will agree— it“r: i think a lot of people will agree with me. i wheh— people will agree with me. i wheh we— people will agree with me. i wish we didn't— people will agree with me. i wish we didn't need to build the— wish we didn't need to build the mehy— wish we didn't need to build this many houses, if you do say so this many houses, if you do say eo youreehh — this many houses, if you do say so yourself. but— this many houses, if you do say so yourself. but it— this many houses, if you do say so yourself. e itt. so yourself. but it the fact that we do need to build so many houses obviously need houses means obviously we need to the green belt to build on the green belt because where people because where else are people

going live? i mean, because where else are people going live? imean, it's going to live? i mean, it's gelling— going to live? i mean, it's getting ridiculous.- ghr “g t rhi7’ i mean, it's getting ridiculous. as you say, the rehreh— getting ridiculous. as you say, the rental prices,— getting ridiculous. as you say, the rental prices, you say, the rental prices, as you say, he— the rental prices, as you say, the houee— the rental prices, as you say, the house prices,— the rental prices, as you say, the house prices, we do need to hurt— the house prices, we do need to huhho ehe— the house prices, we do need to huhho me we— the house prices, we do need to build and we need— the house prices, we do need to build and we need to build up as wehh— build and we need to build up as wehh wehh— build and we need to build up as wehh wehh eo— build and we need to build up as well. well so instead of building— well. well so instead of building jerusalem england's building jerusalem in england's green— building jerusalem in england's ereeh ro— building jerusalem in england's green to huhho— building jerusalem in england's green to build birmingham going to build birmingham en masse-england's- going to build birmingham en masse england's green and masse, or in england's green and oheeeem— masse, or in england's green and oheeeehr- — masse, or in england's green and oheeeehr- hem.— masse, or in england's green and pleasant- yeah, i- masse, or in england's green and pleasant- yeah, i hope- masse, or in england's green and pleasant t/hirit“ pleasant land. yeah, i hope so. what? i pleasant land. yeah, i hope so. where h hope— pleasant land. yeah, i hope so. what? i hope so. _ pleasant land. yeah, i hope so. what? i hope so. greece? no, i hope so. because what is the point in a country which can't house people? what is house its own people? what is the point when you have a generation who can't afford when they work all every day to they work all day, every day to have house? you know, we talk have a house? you know, we talk on we last on this programme we did last week this channel a lot week and this channel a lot about people not having enough kids. of the kids. it was a big theme of the national conservatism conference we mate, they're not we were at mate, they're not having can't having kids because they can't afford raise them in. afford a home to raise them in. yeah, it's one of the reasons. one the reasons. yeah and one of the reasons. yeah and eohuehhy— one of the reasons. yeah and eoruehhy. ue— one of the reasons. yeah and actually, do you— one of the reasons. yeah and actually, do you know who spoke about housing in their national conservatism about housing in their national consenandn about housing in their national consenand i completely agreed kruger and i completely agreed with spoke with him. he actually spoke about he actually about danny. danny. he actually spoke the need there spoke about the need for there to be community trusts, which are owned by the people. are almost owned by the people. it sounds like a it sounds a bit like a cooperative, actually. this was being proposed chum being proposed by your chum

danny kruger, and i think he's absolutely we to absolutely right. we need to come creative solutions come up with creative solutions to housing shortage, to the housing shortage, and i'm glad finally a topic glad that it's finally a topic that people are taking. i just want to quickly make- “g ijust want to quickly make the point hher— want to quickly make the point rher-hoerhhe— want to quickly make the point that hosting headliners that i'm hosting headliners rohhehr— that i'm hosting headliners rohhehr er— that i'm hosting headliners rohhehr er hh— that i'm hosting headliners tonight at 11 pm. so tune in for— tonight at 11 pm. so tune in for-he— tonight at 11 pm. so tune in tor-he he— tonight at 11 pm. so tune in for- he is, yes. - tonight at 11 pm. so tune in for he is, yes. \rtiit�*tt" for that. he is, yes. now, hhe.— for that. he is, yes. now, rohhe. e— for that. he is, yes. now, folks, a fantastic show. i'm for that. he is, yes. now, folkseveryonertic show. i'm for that. he is, yes. now, folkseveryone agreesiv. i'm for that. he is, yes. now, folkseveryone agrees it'sm for that. he is, yes. now, folkseveryone agrees it's been sure everyone agrees it's been a spicy one. it's been tiring. weer— spicy one. it's been tiring. next up, though, it's going to be dolan. thank you very be mark dolan. thank you very much for watching and emailing in hopefully we'll see in at home. hopefully we'll see you again next week. hello there. welcome gb news there. welcome to your gb news weerher— there. welcome to your gb news weerher-oh— there. welcome to your gb news weather-on the- there. welcome to your gb news weather-on the met- weather forecast on the met office — weather forecast on the met omee-cree— weather forecast on the met office. craig snell, looking office. i'm craig snell, looking at office. i'm craig snell, looking er—or— office. i'm craig snell, looking er—or rhe- at the second half of the weekend— at the second half of the weekend england and wales, weekend for england and wales, it's weekend for england and wales, hhe-ro— weekend for england and wales, hr-e-ro he— weekend for england and wales, it's-to be another- weekend for england and wales, it's to be another fine it's going to be another fine ehe— it's going to be another fine eee-hur— it's going to be another fine eee-huh hor- it's going to be another fine and but for scotland and dry day. but for scotland ehe— and dry day. but for scotland and-ireland- and northern ireland we have the— and northern ireland we have the weerher— and northern ireland we have this weather which will this weather front which will ereeuehhy— gradually spread its way eastwards— gradually spread its way. eastwards—next gradually spread its way- eastwards_next 24 eastwards during the next 24 houe — eastwards during the next 24 houe ehweh— eastwards during the next 24 hours. given a— eastwards during the next 24 hours. given a spell of rain here.— hours. given a spell of rain here-further- hours. given a spell of rain here. further south, the here. but further south, the the— here. but further south, the fine-conditions,- fine and dry conditions, all eourreey— fine and dry conditions, all courtesy-area- fine and dry conditions, all courtesy-area of- fine and dry conditions, all courtesy area of high courtesy of an area of high pressure. _end- courtesy of an area of high- pressure. _end saturday, pressure. so as we end saturday, we ehe— pressure. so as we end saturday, we end oh— pressure. so as we end saturday, we end on a fairly— pressure. so as we end saturday, we end on a fairly clear note across england— we end on a fairly clear note across england and wales. but further— across england and wales. but further north— across england and wales. but further north you— across england and wales. but further north you can see this heee— further north you can see this bandlraln— further north you can see this band rain gradually spreading band of rain gradually spreading its band of rain gradually spreading hhe-eourh— band of rain gradually spreading its south eastwards across its way south eastwards across sootheho— its way south eastwards across eeorheho ehe— its way south eastwards across scotland and northern ireland. hhe— scotland and northern ireland. hhe-rum— scotland and northern ireland. the-turn briefly- the rain could turn briefly heewy— the rain could turn briefly heavy,-across. the rain could turn briefly. heavy, - across the heavy, especially across the moumehhe— heavy, especially across the mountains scotland, but under

mountains of scotland, but under the mountains of scotland, but under hhe-ehe— mountains of scotland, but under hhe-eee reh— mountains of scotland, but under the-and rain, no— mountains of scotland, but under the and rain, no problems the cloud and rain, no problems here— the cloud and rain, no problems here-temperatures- the cloud and rain, no problems here temperatures further here with temperatures further eourh — here with temperatures further eourh—euhre- south, it could turn quite ehhhhy— south, it could turn quite ehhhhylrhe— south, it could turn quite chilly the time of year, chilly for the time of year, eeheehehhy— chilly for the time of year, especially some especially across some prone ehore—ehol especially across some prone- spots_and wales. spots of the midlands and wales. but spots of the midlands and wales. huh hher— spots of the midlands and wales. huh rher reehhy— spots of the midlands and wales. but that really sets— spots of the midlands and wales. but that really sets us up for mother— but that really sets us up for mother-eey— but that really sets us up for another day across england another fine day across england and another fine day across england eho wehee— another fine day across england and wales could— another fine day across england and wales could just see some how— and wales could just see some how ohouo— and wales could just see some low cloud from _ and wales could just see some low cloud from -to - and wales could just see some low cloud from to time, low cloud from time to time, tuer— low cloud from time to time, tuer-eome— low cloud from time to time, just some eastern just affecting some eastern oeeer— just affecting some eastern coasts-really- just affecting some eastern coasts really cloudy coasts. but really the cloudy ehee— coasts. but really the cloudy skies reserved— coasts. but really the cloudy skies reserved for scotland and northern—reh- skies reserved for scotland and northern—rain willi northern ireland. the rain will wehe— northern ireland. the rain will weehehlwe— northern ireland. the rain will weaken we approach the weaken as we approach the ehemooh — weaken as we approach the afternoon. that— weaken as we approach the afternoon. that may allow some hrhehrheee— afternoon. that may allow some hrhehrheee ro— afternoon. that may allow some brightness to develop. but on the whohe— brightness to develop. but on the whole, best— brightness to develop. but on the whole, best of the sunshine further— the whole, best of the sunshine further-were— the whole, best of the sunshine further-we're here,- the whole, best of the sunshine further we're here, we'll further south, we're here, we'll see temperatures— further south, we're here, we'll see temperatures reaching 21 or 22 degree— see temperatures reaching 21 or 22 degrees into— see temperatures reaching 21 or 22 degrees into the evening. the reh— 22 degrees into the evening. the whhh— 22 degrees into the evening. the rain will continue— 22 degrees into the evening. the rain will continue to break up. so rain will continue to break up. so eome— rain will continue to break up. so here— rain will continue to break up. so some late spells of sunshine hoeehhhe— so some late spells of sunshine possible across— so some late spells of sunshine possible across parts of seorheho— possible across parts of scotland and- possible across parts of scotland and northern ireland. but scotland and northern ireland. huh ee— scotland and northern ireland. huh ee we— scotland and northern ireland. huh ee we 90— scotland and northern ireland. but as we go through the course of but as we go through the course or he— but as we go through the course or the mem— but as we go through the course of the night, the— but as we go through the course of the night, the clearer skies reehhy— of the night, the clearer skies reehhy eoee— of the night, the clearer skies really across wales and southwest _ really across wales and- southwest—again, southwest england. so again, here— southwest england. so again, here-another- southwest england. so again, here another chilly here could be another chilly hhehr— here could be another chilly hhehr ro— here could be another chilly night to come.— here could be another chilly night to come. the cloud remehhhhe— night to come. the cloud remaining thickest across eeeemr— remaining thickest across eastern scotland . and as we eastern scotland. and as we ehhroeeh— eastern scotland. and as we approach monday again eastern scotland. and as we- approach monday-again , approach monday morning again, we-erhhh— approach monday morning again, we-erhhh eee— approach monday morning again, we-still see some- approach monday morning again, we still see some patchy we could still see some patchy ourhreehe— we could still see some patchy outbreaks-but- we could still see some patchy outbreaks-but for- we could still see some patchy outbreaks but for most outbreaks of rain. but for most of outbreaks of rain. but for most or wohoey— outbreaks of rain. but for most or hohoey we— outbreaks of rain. but for most of monday we do— outbreaks of rain. but for most of monday we do start the new working— of monday we do start the new working week— of monday we do start the new working week on— of monday we do start the new working week on a fairly quiet hore— working week on a fairly quiet note, some good— working week on a fairly quiet

note, some good sunshine around, eeheehehhy— note, some good sunshine around, eeheehehhy hor— note, some good sunshine around, especially for western areas. hooe— especially for western areas. hope reehhy— especially for western areas. hope reehhy hr— especially for western areas. hope really it starts to improve as hope really it starts to improve ee we 90— hope really it starts to improve ee we to ho— hope really it starts to improve as we go into the— hope really it starts to improve as we go into the afternoon across eastern— as we go into the afternoon across eastern scotland and that reehhy— across eastern scotland and that reehhy eere— across eastern scotland and that reehhy eere ue— across eastern scotland and that really sets us.for_ across eastern scotland and that really sets us.for a- across eastern scotland and that really sets us for a fairly really sets us up for a fairly euher— really sets us up for a fairly euher epehh— really sets us up for a fairly euher ehehh or— really sets us up for a fairly quiet spell of weather for most of quiet spell of weather for most or ue— quiet spell of weather for most or ue ee— quiet spell of weather for most or ue ee we 90— quiet spell of weather for most of us as we go through the next few— of us as we go through the next hew-hueeoey— of us as we go through the next few tuesday wednesday. few days, tuesday and wednesday. hook— few days, tuesday and wednesday. hooh very— few days, tuesday and wednesday. look very similar.— few days, tuesday and wednesday. look very similar. some good ehehhe— spells of sunshine and in the euhehhhe— spells of sunshine and in the sunshinelshould- spells of sunshine and in the sunshine should feel sunshine it should feel oheeeehrhy— sunshine it should feel. pleasantly-there sunshine it should feel- pleasantly-there .

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