good morning. welcome to the camilla tominey show. lovely to see sunday morning. see you on this sunday morning. we have got cracking show. we have got a cracking show. i know i say it every week , but know i say it every week, but there's lot going on, lot there's a lot going on, a lot going to be going on next week with to inflation and with regard to inflation and immigration. we're immigration. and so we're going to asking the questions that to be asking the questions that are really important to you about subjects. about both of those subjects. and had about both of those subjects. an(of had about both of those subjects. an(of these had about both of those subjects. an(of these stories had about both of those subjects. an(of these stories in had about both of those subjects. an(of these stories in the had about both of those subjects. an(of these stories in the weekd all of these stories in the week about sewerage in our rivers. we've therese coffey in. we've got therese coffey in. she's environment secretary. we've got therese coffey in. she's going|vironment secretary. we've got therese coffey in. she's going to �*onment secretary. we've got therese coffey in. she's going to be nent secretary. we've got therese coffey in. she's going to be hopefullytary. she's going to be hopefully talking through we're talking us through why we're being to clean up the being charged to clean up the rivers that companies rivers that the water companies have polluted, least when have polluted, not least when they've made billion in they've made 15 billion in profits. apparently she one doesn't want to get to corbynista about it, but i can't quite work that one out. i'm also be speaking also going to be speaking to liam former defence liam fox, former defence secretary, top tory. want to secretary, a top tory. i want to find him he makes find out from him what he makes of currently going of the g7 summit currently going on japan . are european on in japan. are the european union enough to help union doing enough to help ukraine? question i ukraine? that's the question i want woodward want to ask him. shaun woodward is also going to join me. he was

once a tory he defected to once a tory mp. he defected to labourin once a tory mp. he defected to labour in 1999 under blair. does he think starmer is next he think starmer is the next blair? do you think starmer is the blair? does anyone find the next blair? does anyone find out and then andrea out from him? and then andrea jenkins, morley and jenkins, tory mp for morley and outwood in west yorkshire, is going to join me. she's the woman, the left love to hate because quite outspoken on because she's quite outspoken on issues immigration. she's issues like immigration. she's very wants to very right wing. she wants to bnng very right wing. she wants to bring boris. let's ask her bring back boris. let's ask her a little later whether that's a credible idea or whether it's just for the birds. but first of all, let's run through the front pages of sunday telegraph. pages of the sunday telegraph. goes with migrations back goes with migrations are back student visa kerbs. this is about the tories having to try and get control of those immigration numbers which are coming next week. the sunday coming out next week. the sunday times really good story this times a really good story this bravoman servants to bravoman asked civil servants to help her speeding fines . help her avoid speeding fines. the observer top tory donor faces probe over multi—million fraud claims mail on sunday also has that suella braverman story. sevilla tried to cover up speeding offence the sunday express brexit will be a soaring

success. it says okay, don't hold your breath. the sun on sunday. i can't go on. that's a story about phillip schofield, which of course is dominating the tabloid media particularly, and the sunday mirror. they think it's all sofa again. you see what they've done there with their headline covering phil and holly . now let's their headline covering phil and holly. now let's bring in john sergeant , long holly. now let's bring in john sergeant, long time holly. now let's bring in john sergeant , long time political sergeant, long time political correspondent at bbc and itn. john you're the perfect man to have in not only because television partnerships are dominating the news agenda, but also obviously politics is once again rearing its ugly head in the form of this story about suella braverman. i'm calling it scoop of the day to be fair, the sunday the mail on sunday times and the mail on sunday times and the mail on sunday have got it at the same time. know, it's a good time. and you know, it's a good story two papers story when you've got two papers working on the same thing and splashing mean, what do splashing it. i mean, what do you seems you make of this? it seems incredible why did she incredible to me. why did she need try and cover up the need to try and cover up the fact that she'd gone to a speed awareness course? i don't mind telling you, john. i've been to two life. we've all got two in my life. we've all got speeding that speeding points. it's not that big deal. no, i mean, i've had

big a deal. no, i mean, i've had to go— big a deal. no, i mean, i've had to go to— big a deal. no, i mean, i've had to go to courses— big a deal. no, i mean, i've had to go to courses over— big a deal. no, i mean, i've had to go to courses over 15- g : no, i mean, i've had to go to courses over 15 years. the — to go to courses over 15 years. the last— to go to courses over 15 years. the he he— to go to courses over 15 years. the last one i— to go to courses over 15 years. the last one i was— to go to courses over 15 years. the last one i was only doing a wehhh— the last one i was only doing a wehhy, ee— the last one i was only doing a wehhy, he he— the last one i was only doing a wellby, as we call— the last one i was only doing a wellby, as we call it, five hues— wellby, as we call it, five miles more.— wellby, as we call it, five miles more. yeah c miles more. yeah it's so easy to get caught in a 20 mile an hour zone. they get caught. yeah. and of course, it's "t; g; fg yeah. and of course, it's embarrassing. it is of course, it's embarrassing. it te-hehe— of course, it's embarrassing. it te-hehe eeh— of course, it's embarrassing. it is-being sort of- of course, it's embarrassing. it is being sort of alcoholics is like being sort of alcoholics anonymous,— is like being sort of alcoholics. anonymous,_john, anonymous, you know, i'm john, you—oh- you know, you have to. on enhne— you know, you have to. on online.-and- you know, you have to. on online.-and i'm- you know, you have to. on online. and i'm suella. of online. yes. and i'm suella. of h-e— online. yes. and i'm suella. of course. it's tricky,— online. yes. and i'm suella. of course. it's tricky, isn't it? it course. it's tricky, isn't it? t he. — course. it's tricky, isn't it? t he. he— course. it's tricky, isn't it? it is. it's such— course. it's tricky, isn't it? it is. it's such an- course. it's tricky, isn't it? it is. it's such an unusual name eheh— it is. it's such an unusual name eheh hem— it is. it's such an unusual name apart from anything else. and peehhe— apart from anything else. and peehte-thhh- apart from anything else. and heepte-thhh ,- apart from anything else. and people think , oh, hold on people would think, oh, hold on a people would think, oh, hold on e-teh-t— people would think, oh, hold on a-isn't-someonel a moment. isn't there someone eehee— a moment. isn't there someone whee-whee— called suella who's in government?- called suella who's in government? this was called suella who's in- government? -this was when government? but this was when she wee— government? but this was when she was attorney— government? but this was when she was attorney general. she wen-t— she was attorney general. she wash-t—es- she was attorney general. she ween-ese— shel she was attorney general. she. wasn't_ as she now wasn't as well known as she now is. discovered when is. i think she discovered when she'd secretary that she'd become home secretary that she'd become home secretary that she has to do this course. it's not end of world. if she not the end of the world. if she turns a at course, turns up at a at a course, that's a one story. somebody that's a one day story. somebody phones and says, oh, phones the sun and says, oh, i've braverman my i've just seen braverman on my speed course. what speed awareness course. what this you've got this has now become, you've got yvette calling for an yvette cooper calling for an inquiry, over the inquiry, which might be over the top, that's going to give inquiry, which might be over the top,story:hat's going to give inquiry, which might be over the top,story more going to give inquiry, which might be over the top,story more legs. to give inquiry, which might be over the top,story more legs. it'sgive inquiry, which might be over the top,story more legs. it's going the story more legs. it's going to be the sunday for monday to be in the sunday for monday papers. probably going papers. it's probably going to be because be running all week because these have a tendency to be running all week because therout have a tendency to be running all week because therout of have a tendency to be running all week because therout of control. a tendency to be running all week because therout of control. i tendency to be running all week because therout of control. i justiency to be running all week because therout of control. i just incy to get out of control. i just i don't know who or what her

advisers were saying, but she should have just taken it. i think . yeah. i mean, i think think. yeah. i mean, i think wee— think. yeah. i mean, i think who a— think. yeah. i mean, i think who a tech— think. yeah. i mean, i think also a lack of— / i mean, i think also a lack of experience. so she— also a lack of experience. so she th— also a lack of experience. so she comes in an— also a lack of experience. so she comes in an attorney general-— she comes in an attorney gehereh h-e— she comes in an attorney general. it's not a political job-— general. it's not a political job- yeah— general. it's not a political job. yeah, but— general. it's not a political job. yeah, but apparently on her the— job. yeah, but apparently on her the day— job. yeah, but apparently on her the day he— job. yeah, but apparently on her the day he eh— job. yeah, but apparently on her first day as an mp— job. yeah, but apparently on her first day as an mp , a fellow mp first day as an mp, a fellow mp wtth— first day as an mp, a fellow mp wtth her— first day as an mp, a fellow mp was with her and— first day as an mp, a fellow mp was with her and they were tethhe— was with her and they were talking about— was with her and they were talking about what an induction te how— talking about what an induction course, to how be— talking about what an induction course, to how be an mp. right. ahe— course, to how be an mp. right. ahe eh— course, to how be an mp. right. ahe et thw— course, to how be an mp. right. and at that point,— course, to how be an mp. right. and at that point, suella braverman said , well, will we be braverman said, well, will we be ewe— braverman said, well, will we be we te— braverman said, well, will we be we te hw— braverman said, well, will we be able to put expenses ? will we be able to put expenses? will we be ewe— able to put expenses? will we be we te— able to put expenses? will we be we te hw— able to put expenses? will we be we te th eh— able to put expenses? will we be able to put on expenses, epeeehe— able to put on expenses, speeding fines? well, that was the— speeding fines? well, that was he he— speeding fines? well, that was this is according— speeding fines? well, that was this is according to the mail. so this is according to the mail. so eeeewhhe— this is according to the mail. so according to— this is according to the mail. so according to the mail, so they-te— so according to the mail, so they-te ewehhe— so according to the mail, so they're quoting a tory mp who wtth— they're quoting a tory mp who wtth her— they're quoting a tory mp who was with her when the question eehee. — was with her when the question was asked. and— was with her when the question was asked. and of— was with her when the question was asked. and of course, they ewe— was asked. and of course, they ewe, he— was asked. and of course, they said, no, certainly— was asked. and of course, they said, no, certainly not. she te— said, no, certainly not. she comes to some— said, no, certainly not. she comes to some kind of speed demon. why is she worried about speeding fines on the first day? of course, the irony is that once you're a minister, you're eweh— once you're a minister, you're gweh ewew— once you're a minister, you're given every everywhere anyway. veeh — given every everywhere anyway. veeh wow— given every everywhere anyway. yeah now-sunak- given every everywhere anyway. yeah now-sunak is- given every everywhere anyway. . yeah now-sunak is annoyed yeah now rishi sunak is annoyed that he's been asked about this story at this international conference. he's at the g7 ,

conference. he's at the g7, obviously trying you know , obviously trying to, you know, show some statesmanlike muscle and he's been asked about domestic policies. i mean , is domestic policies. i mean, is that fair? you've been at the sharp end of these press conferences , actually, if conferences, actually, if there's a breaking news story at home, it doesn't matter what's going in japan. oh, home, it doesn't matter what's going injapan. oh,i home, it doesn't matter what's going in japan. oh, i know. going on in japan. oh, i know. but going on in japan. oh, i know. th when— going on in japan. oh, i know. th wheh t— going on in japan. oh, i know. but when i did— going on in japan. oh, i know. but when i did it— going on in japan. oh, i know. but when i did it during- gti» g ct" " " oh, i know. but when i did it during the john— but when i did it during the john major— but when i did it during the john major period, there was a hen— john major period, there was a hett eh— john major period, there was a hett of e— john major period, there was a hell of a row.— john major period, there was a hell of a row. i— john major period, there was a hell of a row. i mean, there teeny— hell of a row. i mean, there really wee.— hell of a row. i mean, there really was. and— hell of a row. i mean, there really was. and because i raised somewhe— really was. and because i raised eeheththe, h— really was. and because i raised something, it was— really was. and because i raised something, it was in fact about whom— something, it was in fact about ehewt hrexh— something, it was in fact about about brexit tears— something, it was in fact about about brexit tears and the tory heht— about brexit tears and the tory hght wing-— about brexit tears and the tory hght whg. ahe— about brexit tears and the tory right wing. and that was the the— right wing. and that was the the when— right wing. and that was the time when he— right wing. and that was the time when he was privately ewetee— time when he was privately ewetee ee— time when he was privately quoted as calling them bastards. htehte— quoted as calling them bastards. tetghte se— quoted as calling them bastards. tetghte se h— quoted as calling them bastards. right? so it was— quoted as calling them bastards. right? so it was a— quoted as calling them bastards. right? so it was a really big temeehe— right? so it was a really big domestic story— right? so it was a really big domestic story ._ right? so it was a really big domestic story . i right? so it was a really big domestic story. i raised it right? so it was a really big domestic story . i raised it with domestic story. i raised it with hm— domestic story. i raised it with hhh .— domestic story. i raised it with hhh . the— domestic story. i raised it with him . the first— domestic story. i raised it with him . the first person to do so him. the first person to do so at him. the first person to do so et ahe— him. the first person to do so w and the— him. the first person to do so at and the press— him. the first person to do so at and the press secretary, gus o-hehheh— at and the press secretary, gus o-hehheu .— at and the press secretary, gus o'donnell. now— at and the press secretary, gus o'donnell . now lord o'donnell, o'donnell. now lord o'donnell, he wee— o'donnell. now lord o'donnell, he wew— o'donnell. now lord o'donnell, he was very cross,— o'donnell. now lord o'donnell, he was very cross, called me a jerk— he was very cross, called me a jerk .— he was very cross, called me a jew . ahe— he was very cross, called me a jerk . and t— he was very cross, called me a jerk . and i then— he was very cross, called me a jerk . and i then i— he was very cross, called me a jerk . and i then i then impolite jerk. and i then i then impolite got jerk. and i then i then impolite gee eweehew— jerk. and i then i then impolite got everyone else— jerk. and i then i then impolite got everyone else and i went on the got everyone else and i went on the teeew— got everyone else and i went on the today programme saying i've been— the today programme saying i've been eettet— the today programme saying i've been eettet e— the today programme saying i've been called a jerk.— the today programme saying i've been called a jerk. and, and he then— been called a jerk. and, and he theh hee— been called a jerk. and, and he theh het te— been called a jerk. and, and he then had to apologise in front of ewewheew— then had to apologise in front of everybody else. “tirti;

of everybody else. there's nothing wrong with a journalist asking breaking news nothing wrong with a journalist askin of breaking news nothing wrong with a journalist askin of the breaking news nothing wrong with a journalist askin of the day. reaking news nothing wrong with a journalist askin of the day. regardless/s nothing wrong with a journalist askin of the day. regardless of story of the day. regardless of where prime minister is. where the prime minister is. that's of course, that's it. but now of course, he— that's it. but now of course, tt-e-ehheet- that's it. but now of course, it's almost standard. that's it. but now of course,- it's-almost standard. and it's become almost standard. and if it's become almost standard. and t yew-te— it's become almost standard. and t wewhe e— it's become almost standard. and if you're a prime— it's become almost standard. and if you're a prime minister and yew-te— you're abroad, you may as well get you're abroad, you may as well get—heeewee- you're abroad, you may as well get—because you. get fully briefed because you are get fully briefed because you going— get fully briefed because you going te— get fully briefed because you going te he— get fully briefed because you are going to be asked to are going to be asked just to eeeteetee— are going to be asked just to eeeteeteeltte— are going to be asked just to apologise its slightly apologise for its slightly ttwttw— apologise for its slightly ttwttw-ter- apologise for its slightly fruity -for a. apologise for its slightly- fruity -for a sunday fruity language for a sunday morning- — fruity language for a sunday morning. -fair- fruity language for a sunday morning. ” g morning. but fair enough, that was that was used at morning. but fair enough, that wastime. that was used at morning. but fair enough, that wastime. so that was used at morning. but fair enough, that wastime. so fair hat was used at morning. but fair enough, that wastime. so fair enough used at morning. but fair enough, that wastime. so fair enough forzd at the time. so fair enough for quoting a great quoting it. there is a great photograph which think we've photograph which i think we've already shown of sunak and macron a closed, macron sort of behind a closed, half door. obviously, half closed door. obviously, this is important for sunak on the international stage. boris johnson had this reputation in, you know, people would gravitate towards him just because of who he he that he was. obviously, he had that unique relationship with zelenskyy . how is unique relationship with zelenskyy. how is sunak doing, do globally ? arnie i do you think, globally? arnie i mean, described as a mean, he's he's described as a globalist. has he got heft on the global stage, do you think? john well, it's very difficult to say because these such to say because these are such critical . and of course, critical issues. and of course, he thhehtee— critical issues. and of course, he inherited the— c” c l? and of course, he inherited the position over whehe— he inherited the position over ukraine, which— he inherited the position over ukraine, which was very theeheht— ukraine, which was very theeheht .— ukraine, which was very important . and were a ukraine, which was very- important . and .were a leader important. and we were a leader in important. and we were a leader he the. — important. and we were a leader in that. there's— important. and we were a leader in that. there's no— important. and we were a leader in that. there's no doubt about the— in that. there's no doubt about he wtth— in that. there's no doubt about that with with— in that. there's no doubt about that with with emmanuel macron. the tttttewttw—

that with with emmanuel macron. the difficulty is— that with with emmanuel macron. the difficulty is he's got so httte— the difficulty is he's got so the power— the difficulty is he's got so little power now in france . so little power now in france. so the— little power now in france. so the teh— little power now in france. so the eeh eh— little power now in france. so this sort of secretive picture of this sort of secretive picture et the— this sort of secretive picture et the twe— this sort of secretive picture of the two of— this sort of secretive picture of the two of them with rishi swheh— of the two of them with rishi swheh ewttthe— of the two of them with rishi sunak putting his hand up, eewhe— sunak putting his hand up, eewhe we— sunak putting his hand up, saying, we must talk, and weewhehw— saying, we must talk, and presumably the subject which teehw— presumably the subject which really mattered,— presumably the subject which really mattered, or it may well hewe— really mattered, or it may well hewe-the— really mattered, or it may well have -the subject- really mattered, or it may well have the subject that have been the subject that hettetee— have been the subject that mattered -the - have been the subject that mattered the boats crossing mattered was the boats crossing the mattered was the boats crossing the-heeewee — mattered was the boats crossing the - because rishi - mattered was the boats crossing the because rishi sunak the channel because rishi sunak hwet— the channel because rishi sunak mwet he— the channel because rishi sunak mwet he ewee— the channel because rishi sunak must be aware this— the channel because rishi sunak must be aware this is going to be must be aware this is going to he e— must be aware this is going to he e heeh— must be aware this is going to he e heeh eh— must be aware this is going to be a heck of a— must be aware this is going to be a heck of a week where he's got— be a heck of a week where he's gotlgo_ be a heck of a week where he's eetlee threweh— be a heck of a week where he's got-go through all- be a heck of a week where he's got go through all these got to go through all these erewhehte— got to go through all these erewhehte .— got to go through all these arguments . and could just arguments. and if he could just ehhew— arguments. and if he could just ehhew say— arguments. and if he could just simply say something along the thee— simply say something along the hheelwe-we— simply say something along the lines-we've got— simply say something along the lines-we've got a— simply say something along the lines we've got a better deal lines of we've got a better deal new-hence— lines of we've got a better deal now- france, lwould - lines of we've got a better deal now france, would help now with france, it would help hettete— now with france, it would help matters considerably . the matters considerably. the wehteh— matters considerably. the problem he's— matters considerably. the problem he's got is that problem he's now got is that heede— problem he's now got is that eeeete weed— problem he's now got is that eeeete weee te— problem he's now got is that people used to just think, oh , people used to just think, oh, it's people used to just think, oh, we we— people used to just think, oh, it's just illegal— people used to just think, oh, it's just illegal immigration, theh— it's just illegal immigration, which-really— it's just illegal immigration, which really embarrassing which is really the embarrassing for-government— which is really the embarrassing for-government ,_ which is really the embarrassing for government , it's not for the government, but it's not now-immigration- for the government, but it's not now.-immigration .. for the government, but it's not now. immigration . and now. it's legal immigration. and the— now. it's legal immigration. and thet-ewt— now. it's legal immigration. and thet-ewt eh- now. it's legal immigration. and that out on thursday . that will come out on thursday. we-tt— that will come out on thursday. we-tt eet— that will come out on thursday. we-tt eet eh— that will come out on thursday. we-tt get eh te— that will come out on thursday. we'll get on to that— that will come out on thursday. we'll get on to that in- that will come out on thursday. we'll get on to that in just- we'll get on to that in just a minute because you say, it's minute because as you say, it's the figures coming the migration figures coming out, but also the inflation figures, pivotal figures, two very pivotal sets of minister. of data for the prime minister. let's go to opinion piece the let's go to opinion piece of the day. written by stephen day. this is written by stephen glover mail. like it or glover in the mail. like it or not, new labour transfers britain. name one major thing the tories have achieved now you

covered new labour and why he's written this piece is we now have the conservatives in power for as long as labour were 13 years as a i mean, apart from brexit, can you name something good that this government has done? john doesn't immediately jump done? john doesn't immediately jump to mind. i mean, the wehtem— jump to mind. i mean, the wehteh te— jump to mind. i mean, the problem is of— jump to mind. i mean, the problem is of course,- »: i mean, the problem is of course, as harold weemttteh— problem is of course, as harold macmillan famously pointed out, it's macmillan famously pointed out, he ewehet— macmillan famously pointed out, it's events which— macmillan famously pointed out, it's events which really determine _ it's events which really determine the fate of a government _ determine the fate of a government .- determine the fate of a government . and they have been government. and they have been extraordinarily— government. and they have been extraordinarily unlucky. the conservatives— extraordinarily unlucky. the conservatives in— extraordinarily unlucky. the conservatives in recent years to go conservatives in recent years to 90 through— conservatives in recent years to 90 through e— conservatives in recent years to go through a pandemic followed by the— go through a pandemic followed by the thet— go through a pandemic followed by the first major— go through a pandemic followed by the first major war in europe for by the first major war in europe tee eewetet— by the first major war in europe for several generations actions. thet-e— for several generations actions. we e— for several generations actions. we e heeh— for several generations actions. that's a heck of— for several generations actions. that's a heck of a— for several generations actions. that's a heck of a burden. and to that's a heck of a burden. and te then— that's a heck of a burden. and te theh hewe— that's a heck of a burden. and to then have your— that's a heck of a burden. and to then have your period, the tene— to then have your period, the tehe eehee— to then have your period, the long period for,— to then have your period, the long period for, oh, i don't knew— long period for, oh, i don't thew whet— long period for, oh, i don't know what seven years arguing ehewt— know what seven years arguing ehewt heeh— know what seven years arguing about brexit with— know what seven years arguing about brexit with the with the party— about brexit with the with the eehw eeht— about brexit with the with the eehw eeht the— about brexit with the with the party split the party in power eeht— party split the party in power eeht ewe— party split the party in power split over the— party split the party in power split over the major issue and the— split over the major issue and the teewe— split over the major issue and the issue itself— split over the major issue and the issue itself being so tricky to the issue itself being so tricky te heweete— the issue itself being so tricky to navigate and— the issue itself being so tricky to navigate and to then have all theee— to navigate and to then have all theee whee— to navigate and to then have all these prime ministers popping

up. these prime ministers popping we. wee.— these prime ministers popping we. vee- t— these prime ministers popping we. wee. t theee— these prime ministers popping we. wee. t ,_ these prime ministers popping up. yes. i mean , so for stephen up. yes. i mean, so for stephen etewet— up. yes. i mean, so for stephen etewet ,— up. yes. i mean, so for stephen the, t— up. yes. i mean, so for stephen glover , i mean,— up. yes. i mean, so for stephen glover , i mean, it— up. yes. i mean, so for stephen glover , i mean, it makes for glover, i mean, it makes for a wehtettwt— glover, i mean, it makes for a wonderful piece— glover, i mean, it makes for a wonderful piece of sort of what did wonderful piece of sort of what the the— wonderful piece of sort of what did the tories— wonderful piece of sort of what did the tories ever— wonderful piece of sort of what did the tories ever do for us? th— did the tories ever do for us? th t— did the tories ever do for us? th tt te— did the tories ever do for us? but it is really— did the tories ever do for us? but it is really a— did the tories ever do for us? but it is really a lot of it eheehhe— but it is really a lot of it smashing into- but it is really a lot of it smashing into open doors. we can see smashing into open doors. we can theee— smashing into open doors. we can see these problems— smashing into open doors. we can see these problems ._ smashing into open doors. we can see these problems . they have see these problems. they have heeh— see these problems. they have been extremely— see these problems. they have been extremely unlucky . /»i. been extremely unlucky. you've got been extremely unlucky. you've eet e— been extremely unlucky. you've get e very— been extremely unlucky. you've got a very well—honed political antenna. what's your feeling about how the general election is going to play out? well, at the is going to play out? well, at the memeht— is going to play out? well, at the moment, it— is going to play out? well, at the moment, it really- git» g ti»? well, at the moment, it really looks git» g »i.? well, at the moment, it really looks as if the moment, it really looks as h tehew— the moment, it really looks as h tehew ee— the moment, it really looks as if labour are going to win. it's tew— if labour are going to win. it's very ewtheht— if labour are going to win. it's very outright majority. o” »:»i» very outright majority. or do you— very outright majority. or do wew ththt— very outright majority. or do you think they'll— very outright majority. or do you think they'll have be you think they'll have to be propped the erm? it's propped up by the erm? it's difficult. i mean it's always very— difficult. i mean it's always wew—ehee- difficult. i mean it's always weeheew— wewi difficult. i mean it's always. weeheew— you eet very difficult, but once you get momentum, once— very difficult, but once you get momentum, once think that momentum, once people think that yew-e— momentum, once people think that wewhe—tt-e— you're going to win, it's emezhe— you're going to win, it's amazing how- you're going to win, it's amazing how people you're going to win, it's- amazing how-people want you're going to win, it's— amazing how-people want to amazing how often people want to be amazing how often people want to he eh— amazing how often people want to he we the— amazing how often people want to be on the winning— amazing how often people want to be on the winning side. �*j»i» amazing how often people want to be on the winning side. j»i» be on the winning side. do you ththt— be on the winning side. do you ththt thet— be on the winning side. do you think that starmer has got that momentum? mean it is momentum? i mean it is interesting that the criticism of been that didn't of him had been that he didn't have policy he keeps have a policy platform. he keeps on in soundbites. on talking in soundbites. there's substance. s now there's no substance. s he's now slowly few ideas out slowly trickling a few ideas out , talking about more building on the green belt. okay, it's not for everyone, but it's an appeal to 18 24 year olds. one to the 18 to 24 year olds. one imagines he's talking about extending voting eu

extending voting rights to eu citizens . again, i don't know citizens. again, i don't know how that plays necessarily at the ballot we've had the ballot box. we've had anneliese in recent times anneliese dodds in recent times talking about more immigration. is going to appeal ? well, is that going to appeal? well, no, there are lots of gti» g 7 well, no, there are lots of problems git» g 7 well, no, there are lots of problems . no, there are lots of problems. i no, there are lots of problems. t heeh— no, there are lots of problems. t they-we— no, there are lots of problems. i mean, they've enormous i mean, they've got enormous wehteme— i mean, they've got enormous problems-have- i mean, they've got enormous problems. have this problems. and to have this erewmeht— problems. and to have this argument over— problems. and to have this argument over gender, particularly— argument over gender, particularly from keir starmer, thet-e— particularly from keir starmer, thet-e ter— particularly from keir starmer, that's for lots— particularly from keir starmer, that's for lots of— particularly from keir starmer, that's for lots of people, what is that's for lots of people, what he the— that's for lots of people, what he the eww— that's for lots of people, what he the guy e— that's for lots of people, what is this guy ? who— that's for lots of people, what is this guy ? who is he? why is is this guy? who is he? why is he tethhe— is this guy? who is he? why is he talking like— is this guy? who is he? why is he talking like this? so he has etttt— he talking like this? so he has etttt eet— he talking like this? so he has etttt eet e— he talking like this? so he has still got a long— he talking like this? so he has still got a long way to go hetete— still got a long way to go hetete he— still got a long way to go before he can— still got a long way to go before he can establish himself as before he can establish himself ee the— before he can establish himself ee the whee— before he can establish himself as the prime minister in wettthe. — as the prime minister in wettthe. se— as the prime minister in waiting. so we're a long way off the.— waiting. so we're a long way off the. th— waiting. so we're a long way off the. th ett— waiting. so we're a long way off that. but all sorts— waiting. so we're a long way off that. but all sorts in terms of the— that. but all sorts in terms of the groundwork— that. but all sorts in terms of the groundwork of you must make the— the groundwork of you must make sure the conservatives look exhewetee— sure the conservatives look exhausted and— sure the conservatives look exhausted and they look as if the— exhausted and they look as if the heweh-t— exhausted and they look as if they haven't got— exhausted and they look as if they haven't got new ideas. wett.— they haven't got new ideas. wett. e— they haven't got new ideas. wett. e tet— they haven't got new ideas. well, a lot of— they haven't got new ideas. well, a lot of that is actually tettthe— well, a lot of that is actually tetthe thte— well, a lot of that is actually falling into place . s and i falling into place. s and i mean, you don't have to farage vou— mean, you don't have to farage wew ten-t— mean, you don't have to farage you teh-t hewe— mean, you don't have to farage you don't have to— mean, you don't have to farage you don't have to say much eeethet— you don't have to say much eeethet thet— you don't have to say much against that argument of 13 teewe— against that argument of 13 weere ef— against that argument of 13 were et tew— against that argument of 13 years of tory rule. . f: years of tory rule. it could twet— years of tory rule. it could just-a— years of tory rule. it could just a change election . just be a change election. people voting change and people voting for change and there's that the tories there's not much that the tories can do about it. well, only can do about it. well, the only thing they do and obviously thing they can do and obviously they're is to they're trying to do this, is to say rishi is the

say that rishi sunak is the change and this is what john major's success did in 1992. yes. so so of course there is a eeeethte— yes. so so of course there is a eeeethte hettw— yes. so so of course there is a possible motty it's— yes. so so of course there is a possible motty it's stupid to say— possible motty it's stupid to say ,_ possible motty it's stupid to eew . eh— possible motty it's stupid to eew . oh. the— possible motty it's stupid to say , oh, the election's all say, oh, the election's all ef— say, oh, the election's all over. of course- say, oh, the election's all over. of course it isn't. we've got— over. of course it isn't. we've eet e— over. of course it isn't. we've eet e tehe— over. of course it isn't. we've eet e tehe wew— over. of course it isn't. we've eet e tehe way te— over. of course it isn't. we've got a long way to go. but what a tttttewtt— got a long way to go. but what a difficult hand— got a long way to go. but what a difficult hand to— got a long way to go. but what a difficult hand to play . it's difficult hand to play. it's very.— difficult hand to play. it's very. teew— difficult hand to play. it's were very. very- difficult hand to play. it's very, very, very difficult. tet-e— very, very, very difficult. let's move _ very, very, very difficult. let's move on- very, very, very difficult. let's move on to the week ahead. tettthe— let's move on to the week ahead. tettthe ehewt— let's move on to the week ahead. talking about difficult— let's move on to the week ahead. talking about difficult hands. we've got the inflation figures coming out. we've also got the immigration i immigration figures, which i think way there's been some think in a way there's been some expectation management on it being around a million. it might come in at around 700,000 legal migration . but if you think back migration. but if you think back to david cameron's pledge about capping numbers 100,000, capping the numbers at 100,000, that's a staggering increase. then you've got this story in the mail on sunday, bank of england chief brushed off concerns about inflation two years ago . this is about andrew years ago. this is about andrew bailey coming into office in 2021 and saying, oh , don't worry 2021 and saying, oh, don't worry about it'll fine about inflation, it'll be fine come . it come september. it shows a complete lack of forethought . complete lack of forethought. inflation will dip below 10, but of course rishi sunak is committed to it being more than

halved by the end of the year. how damaging could these two different sets of data be for his premiership, do you think? john well , his premiership, do you think? john well, what damaging john well, what is damaging is that sunak has pledged to that rishi sunak has pledged to halve inflation in so they then suddenly the bank who was talking about recession, it was all going to be very difficult. they're now saying inflation is going— they're now saying inflation is going te— they're now saying inflation is going te he— they're now saying inflation is going to be more— they're now saying inflation is going to be more difficult than exeeeteet— going to be more difficult than expected. well,— going to be more difficult than expected. well, all i mean, expected. well, all that i mean, as-,_ expected. well, all that i mean, ee-. yew— expected. well, all that i mean, ee-. wew teew.— expected. well, all that i mean, as , you know, king canute as usual, you know, king canute eewteh-t— as usual, you know, king canute couldn't order— as usual, you know, king canute couldn't order the— as usual, you know, king canute couldn't order the waves. rishi swheh— couldn't order the waves. rishi swheh eee-t— couldn't order the waves. rishi sunak can't simply say, oh, thttetteh— sunak can't simply say, oh, inflation iron— sunak can't simply say, oh, inflation iron will be halved. theee— inflation iron will be halved. theee ee— inflation iron will be halved. these are the— inflation iron will be halved. these are the figures which they eehhet— these are the figures which they eehhet he— these are the figures which they cannot be easily— these are the figures which they cannot be easily controlled. and they-te— cannot be easily controlled. and they-te very— cannot be easily controlled. and they're very difficult to tereeeet. — they're very difficult to forecast. but- they're very difficult to forecast. but it means that what eeewe— forecast. but it means that what eeewe eehe— forecast. but it means that what everyone said at— forecast. but it means that what everyone said at the time do you remember when— everyone said at the time do you remember when the first pledges ewt. eeeete— remember when the first pledges came out, people said, oh, thet-e— came out, people said, oh, thet-e-we— came out, people said, oh, that's-we all- came out, people said, oh, that's we all know that's easy. we all know thttetteh— that's easy. we all know inflation is— that's easy. we all know inflation is going to come down ehetetw. — inflation is going to come down ehetetw. -eh— inflation is going to come down sharply. on wednesday, it sharply. well on wednesday, it hheht— sharply. well on wednesday, it new 90— sharply. well on wednesday, it new 90 tewe— sharply. well on wednesday, it might go down to 8.3, but food thttetteh— might go down to 8.3, but food thttetteh te— might go down to 8.3, but food inflation is expected to go on. theme— inflation is expected to go on. theme teew— inflation is expected to go on. rising food inflation— inflation is expected to go on. rising food inflation is- rising food inflation is currently at 19. i'm going to ask theresa coffey about it because at the end of the day, i think there's a suspicion among

gb views and listeners that there's greedflation going on, that are that the supermarkets are capitalising on this. the capitalising on this. i use the example of stuff that was once a quid is suddenly £1.25. quid is now suddenly £1.25. well, that's not 8 or 10% inflation is it. it's 25. yeah so are the supermarkets taking shoppers for a ride. well it's just odd. i mean, most of these thhee— just odd. i mean, most of these ththee yew— just odd. i mean, most of these things you think,— »i»»:»: i mean, most of these things you think, well, have we got things you think, well, have we eet eheweh— things you think, well, have we got enough competition? we're wewettw— got enough competition? we're wewettw tete— got enough competition? we're usually told we _ got enough competition? we're usually told we do. then we have the usually told we do. then we have the teee— usually told we do. then we have the farmers saying,— usually told we do. then we have the farmers saying, yes, we've been — the farmers saying, yes, we've been we've been— the farmers saying, yes, we've been we've been really hit hard by theee— been we've been really hit hard by these agreements , which we've by these agreements, which we've had by these agreements, which we've hee te— by these agreements, which we've hee te ettet— by these agreements, which we've had to stick to. _ by these agreements, which we've had to stick to. so— by these agreements, which we've had to stick to. so we've lost so had to stick to. so we've lost ee thweh— had to stick to. so we've lost so much money.— had to stick to. so we've lost so much money. if you're outside the so much money. if you're outside the eweteth— so much money. if you're outside the eweteth .— so much money. if you're outside the eweteh . yew— so much money. if you're outside the system , you think, what is the system, you think, what is all the system, you think, what is ett thee— the system, you think, what is ett the t— the system, you think, what is all this? i went— the system, you think, what is all this? i went to— all this? i went to a supermarket yesterday, looked all this? i went to a— supermarket yesterday, looked at my ttttte— supermarket yesterday, looked at my little chocolates that i like . heteee— my little chocolates that i like . heteee et— my little chocolates that i like . instead of being— my little chocolates that i like . instead of being £1, £1, 75. teeh. — . instead of being £1, £1, 75. teeh. hew— . instead of being £1, £1, 75. yeah. how is— . instead of being £1, £1, 75. yeah. how is that- . instead of being £1, £1, 75. yeah. . instead of being £1, £1, 75.- yeah. how is that even happening ? so i felt like saying, well, wett— ? so i felt like saying, well, wett e— ? so i felt like saying, well, wait a moment,— 7’ so i felt like saying, well, wait a moment, should i not eat more chocolates— wait a moment, should i not eat more chocolates ? _ wait a moment, should i not eat more chocolates ? jti;�* " chic; wait a moment, should i not eat more chocolates ? j»i�* " ail,» more chocolates? definitely not chocolate. i then not actually in my case, you know, i try and cut that bit back on the chocolate. so that was my excuse for-buying— chocolate. so that was my excuse for-buying chocolates. - {7 so that was my excuse for buying chocolates. 175 for not buying chocolates. 175 tee— for not buying chocolates. 175

tee thweh. — for not buying chocolates. 175 too much. and— for not buying chocolates. 175 too much. »: i for not buying chocolates. 175 too much. i d too much. and then in general, just to conclude with regard to rishi sunak, i mean, the image of him is of somebody who works hard behind the scenes. again using all of your political knowhow and knowledge. is that good enough ? what i find good enough? what i find interesting about him he's interesting about him is he's obviously trying distance obviously trying to distance himself johnson era. himself from the johnson era. you too much charisma, not you know, too much charisma, not enough control over the levers of . but do we know enough of power. but do we know enough about sunak individual? about sunak as an individual? there's degree of anonymity to there's a degree of anonymity to him people can't quite him where people can't quite tell what's who is this bloke? what for? is he what does he stand for? is he doing enough of the personal thing? he's doing a lot of the professional, but what's your reading of how he's performing in terms of the eyes of the public? well, a criticism i heehe— public? well, a criticism i heard levelled _ {7 well, a criticism i heard levelled against him was thet— heard levelled against him was he he— heard levelled against him was that he wasn't— heard levelled against him was that he wasn't being assertive eheweh— that he wasn't being assertive eheweh ter— that he wasn't being assertive enough for hinckley. is he a teetet— enough for hinckley. is he a leader enough?— enough for hinckley. is he a leader enough? is he big enough as leader enough? is he big enough ee e teetet— leader enough? is he big enough as a leader and— leader enough? is he big enough as a leader and it— leader enough? is he big enough as a leader and it is an extraordinarily difficult thing to extraordinarily difficult thing te eeh— extraordinarily difficult thing te eet teewe.— extraordinarily difficult thing to ask people. but following tehe— to ask people. but following hehe the— to ask people. but following boris, the problem about that tehe— boris, the problem about that hehe het— boris, the problem about that being not boris— boris, the problem about that being not boris is. oh, does thet— being not boris is. oh, does he ee— being not boris is. oh, does that mean you're a wimp? does thet— that mean you're a wimp? does he ee— that mean you're a wimp? does that mean that—

that mean you're a wimp? does that mean that you , in fact that mean that you, in fact ten-t— that mean that you, in fact eeh-t tehe— that mean that you, in fact don't come in— that mean that you, in fact don't come in shouting and eewhe— don't come in shouting and eewhe why— don't come in shouting and eewhe why ee— don't come in shouting and saying why are we doing this? ahe— saying why are we doing this? and et— saying why are we doing this? and of course— saying why are we doing this? and of course ,_ saying why are we doing this? and of course , there's an and of course, there's an etemeht— and of course, there's an element of— and of course, there's an element of leadership where you are element of leadership where you meeht te— element of leadership where you are meant to you— element of leadership where you are meant to you are meant to thte— are meant to you are meant to thte we— are meant to you are meant to thte we the— are meant to you are meant to build up the sense— are meant to you are meant to build up the sense of respect ene— build up the sense of respect ehe tehe— build up the sense of respect and being frightening and has he tehe— and being frightening and has he tehe thete— and being frightening and has he done that? i'm— and being frightening and has he done that? i'm not— and being frightening and has he done that? i'm not so sure. time wttt— done that? i'm not so sure. time wttt tett. — done that? i'm not so sure. time will teu- john.— done that? i'm not so sure. time will tell. john, thank- done that? i'm not so sure. time will tell. ji»” ti;”j» will tell. john, thank you very much for your expertise this morning, as ever. lovely to see you. now, catherine forster , i you. now, catherine forster, i hopeisin you. now, catherine forster, i hope is in portsmouth. pompey catherine, we know you're in somewhere. a little windswept, but i'm very. oh, no, you're back in a cafe now. good to see you. earlier you spoke to breakfast. you're in the middle of a field, so now you're a of a field, so now you're in a civilised surrounding. i'd civilised surrounding. and i'd love what panellists love to know what the panellists would guests would like to ask of my guests today. catherine yes, good morning, camilla. we're here in the morning, camilla. we're here in the term— morning, camilla. we're here in the farm kitchen— morning, camilla. we're here in the farm kitchen-south- g cai we're here in the farm kitchen south sea g q;— we're here in the farm kitchen south sea in the farm kitchen in south sea in tehehewth— the farm kitchen in south sea in hehemewth .— the farm kitchen in south sea in portsmouth , n—va_ the farm kitchen in south sea in portsmouth , n—va is the owner. portsmouth, n—va is the owner. w—we— portsmouth, n—va is the owner. w—we thehhe— portsmouth, n—va is the owner. n—va thanks so— portsmouth, n—va is the owner. n—va thanks so much for hosting us n—va thanks so much for hosting we teeew. — n—va thanks so much for hosting we teeew. hew-e— n—va thanks so much for hosting us today. how's business? thank you very— us today. how's business? thank you were much.— us today. how's business? thank you very much. business is great. uh, we are a family run business in palmerston road in portsmouth. we with our local customer supports. we are open,

we are. we are expanding, expanding now we're going to open a middle eastern mediterranean bakery. also, we're going to expand our next door to our new premises is to try to bring more quality , great try to bring more quality, great new new style in the uk from the middle east and mediterranean. thank you very much. that's great to hear. okay- “mi that's great to hear. okay let's go t that's great to hear. okay let's go and theet— great to hear. okay let's go and theet ew— great to hear. okay let's go and theet eehet— great to hear. okay let's go and meet our panel now. good herhhhe— meet our panel now. good heehe-- meet our panel now. good morning, . thank you so meet our panel now. good- morning,-. thank you so much morning, guys. thank you so much for morning, guys. thank you so much he joining— morning, guys. thank you so much he joining we— morning, guys. thank you so much for joining us. we've— morning, guys. thank you so much for joining us. we've been forjoining us. we've been tethhe— forjoining us. we've been talking before.— forjoining us. we've been talking before. we came on air ene— talking before. we came on air ehe weteetth— talking before. we came on air and malcolm, you— talking before. we came on air and malcolm, you are a funeral eetetwent— and malcolm, you are a funeral celebrant. you— and malcolm, you are a funeral celebrant. you used to be a teeet— celebrant. you used to be a local councillor. _ celebrant. you used to be a local councillor. you're very, very— local councillor. you're very, very unhappy— local councillor. you're very, very unhappy about the situation wtth— very unhappy about the situation wtth eewee— very unhappy about the situation with sewage. tell— very unhappy about the situation with sewage. tell us very hhettw— with sewage. tell us very briefly why— with sewage. tell us very briefly why 30- with sewage. tell us very briefly why 30 years ago when i h— briefly why 30 years ago when i th theee— briefly why 30 years ago when i was in charge of— briefly why 30 years ago when i was in charge of environmental heetth— was in charge of environmental heetth. we— was in charge of environmental health, we started— was in charge of environmental health, we started talks with sewtheth — health, we started talks with southern water— health, we started talks with southern water about their theehereee— southern water about their discharges and— southern water about their discharges and the joke at the the— discharges and the joke at the the ene— discharges and the joke at the the end he— discharges and the joke at the time and it's got— discharges and the joke at the time and it's got worse since thet— time and it's got worse since thet yew— time and it's got worse since was that you don't go swimming in was that you don't go swimming th seteew— was that you don't go swimming th seteew. yew— was that you don't go swimming in selsey, you just— was that you don't go swimming in selsey, you just go through the motions. _ in selsey, you just go through the motions. it's— in selsey, you just go through the motions. c £ch the motions. it's absolutely disgusting. 30 years ago they started increase the prices that we pay so that they could actually sort out the problems

and they've done nothing incredible in this day and age , incredible in this day and age, isn't it, really? and jane , you isn't it, really? and jane, you the— isn't it, really? and jane, you the ee— isn't it, really? and jane, you are the co owner— isn't it, really? and jane, you are the co owner of- c c ”titechjt7’ and jane, you are the co owner of yarty cetetet — are the co owner of yarty cordial. you— are the co owner of yarty cordial. you make drinks for the tewet— cordial. you make drinks for the royal household— cordial. you make drinks for the royal household amongst others, and royal household amongst others, ehe teee— royal household amongst others, and food inflation— royal household amongst others, and food inflation and supermarkets. you've got eeheththe— supermarkets. you've got something to _ supermarkets. you've got something to say about that? hhettw— something to say about that? hhettw th— something to say about that? briefly, i'm afraid, if you wttt— briefly, i'm afraid, if you will. yeah _ briefly, i'm afraid, if you will. yeah it's- briefly, i'm afraid, if you will. yeah c i“ g will. yeah it's so high. the food prices, because fuel is so high. so transporting the groceries is much, much higher. but if you go into a supermarket , they don't pay you very good wages , the same as the farmers. wages, the same as the farmers. about £0.11 a litre for milk. and the amount of work that goes into that. but why would you do it ? into that. but why would you do it 7 why into that. but why would you do it ? why would you it? very it? why would you do it? very tough for farmers, isn't- ?’ �*jtjtti�*jt : »:ti» ?’ very tough for farmers, isn't it? and thu.— tough for farmers, isn't it? and thtt tthettw. — tough for farmers, isn't it? and phil, finally. sorry— tough for farmers, isn't it? and phil, finally. sorry very quettw— phil, finally. sorry very quickly, you- phil, finally. sorry very quickly, you have joint re you quickly, you have a joint re you hewe— quickly, you have a joint re you hewe wet— quickly, you have a joint re you hewe eet e— quickly, you have a joint re you have got a question to the conservatives— have got a question to the conservatives coming on today. whet— conservatives coming on today. we te— conservatives coming on today. we te te— conservatives coming on today. what is it? i'm— conservatives coming on today. what is it? i'm a— conservatives coming on today. what is it? i'm a conservative wee-te — what is it? i'm a conservative wee-te why— what is it? i'm a conservative voter. why aren't— what is it? i'm a conservative voter. why aren't the- voter. why aren't the conservatives conservative anymore? very succinct. anymore? they are very succinct. back to you, camilla. thank you very— back to you, camilla. thank you very thweh— back to you, camilla. thank you were hweh ter— back to you, camilla. thank you very much for that,— back to you, camilla. thank you very much for that, catherine. remember— very much for that, catherine. remember pompey _ very much for that, catherine. remember pompey very- very much for that, catherine. remember pompey very fondly. my brother went to university there. i remember tearing around

there. i remember tearing around the streets of portsmouth in his vauxhall circa god knows vauxhall nova, circa god knows when the 1990s. and don't when in the 1990s. and don't forget, if want to apply to forget, if you want to apply to the it's news the panel, it's gb news .uk forward panel and you can forward slash panel and you can have your say on the show. now, somebody love to have have your say on the show. now, some sayy love to have have your say on the show. now, some say on love to have have your say on the show. now, some say on the love to have have your say on the show. now, some say on the show to have have your say on the show. now, some say on the show is have have your say on the show. now, some say on the show is doctor their say on the show is doctor liam fox, tory mp for north somerset, a former defence liam fox, tory mp for north sominternational former defence liam fox, tory mp for north sominternational trade r defence and international trade secretary. liam, if i may call you we're fairly familiar secretary. liam, if i may call you each we're fairly familiar secretary. liam, if i may call you each other, airly familiar secretary. liam, if i may call you each other, aren'timiliar secretary. liam, if i may call you each other, aren't we?ar secretary. liam, if i may call you each other, aren't we? now with each other, aren't we? now let's speak to you about the g7. first of all, there's a really interesting piece today i interesting piece today in i think the telegraph by think it's the telegraph by michael predecessor michael fallon, your predecessor at defence, or was it your successor ? predecessor? he was successor? predecessor? he was successor. successor at defence and he said the eu owes ukraine and he said the eu owes ukraine an apology . albie making this an apology. albie making this point about how brussels has dragged its feet with the provision of weapons. it's taken 19 months to sign this agreement . do you agree that . do you agree with that assessment? eu have assessment? could the eu have done and done more for zelenskyy and his people ? well, i would people? well, i would differentiate - 7 well, i would differentiate between the eu as an differentiate between the eu as heewthe—te an institution and the countries in an institution and the countries he the— an institution and the countries he the-seme— an institution and the countries in the some countries , in the eu. some countries, hetehe— in the eu. some countries, hetehe ene— in the eu. some countries, poland and hungary, for example, hewe— poland and hungary, for example, hewe hee— poland and hungary, for example, have had massive— poland and hungary, for example, have had massive amounts of hwmehtteheh— have had massive amounts of humanitarian aid—

have had massive amounts of humanitarian aid because they've had humanitarian aid because they've hee tetweeee— humanitarian aid because they've had refugees coming across the hereeh — had refugees coming across the border. germany— had refugees coming across the border. germany has been quite tetwete— border. germany has been quite forward leaning— border. germany has been quite forward leaning none of them is tetwete— forward leaning none of them is forward leaning.— forward leaning none of them is forward leaning. as the united kingdom-— forward leaning. as the united theeeh. ahe— forward leaning. as the united kingdom. and you have to say thet— kingdom. and you have to say he whee— kingdom. and you have to say that under boris— kingdom. and you have to say that under boris johnson and tehehh— that under boris johnson and tteht swheh— that under boris johnson and rishi sunak, the— that under boris johnson and rishi sunak, the leadership in the rishi sunak, the leadership in the wett— rishi sunak, the leadership in the world-quite- rishi sunak, the leadership in the world quite marked. the world has been quite marked. i the world has been quite marked. tee— the world has been quite marked. tee th— the world has been quite marked. i was in washington a couple of weeke— i was in washington a couple of weete eee— i was in washington a couple of weete eee-e— i was in washington a couple of weeks ago a number of weeks ago when a number of eettttetehe— weeks ago when a number of politicians-sides- weeks ago when a number of politicians sides said politicians on both sides said if politicians on both sides said ttlheth-t— politicians on both sides said iflhadn't been— politicians on both sides said if hadn't been uk's if it hadn't been for the uk's teeterehte— if it hadn't been for the uk's leadership, we— if it hadn't been for the uk's leadership, we would be in the tweed— leadership, we would be in the united states,— leadership, we would be in the united states, would not be in the united states, would not be in the heettteh— united states, would not be in the position we— united states, would not be in the position we-but- united states, would not be in the position we t the position we are. but france ene— the position we are. but france and have prevaricated a and germany have prevaricated a lot. could have done more lot. they could have done more soonen lot. they could have done more sooner. had this sooner. we've only just had this announcement biden these announcement from biden on these f—16s. bit too f—16s. it's all a bit too little, too late, isn't it? as the streets ukraine have been the streets of ukraine have been relentless , targeted. well, you relentless, targeted. well, you must remember,— relentless, targeted. well, you must remember, we- 3: well, you must remember, we also had all the must remember, we also had all the eeehethte— must remember, we also had all the economic activity at the beginning-— the economic activity at the beginning- wee.— the economic activity at the beginning. yes. i— the economic activity at the beginning. yes. i think it's teh— beginning. yes. i think it's tet-thet— beginning. yes. i think it's fair-that on- beginning. yes. i think it's- fair-that on-military fair to say that on the military ewe.— fair to say that on the military ewe-et— fair to say that on the military side,-of european. side, a number of european ethee— side, a number of european countries were— side, a number of european countries were too slow to act in countries were too slow to act he the. — countries were too slow to act he the. the— countries were too slow to act in this. they all— countries were too slow to act in this. they all have different considerations. _ in this. they all have different considerations. and the world teehe— considerations. and the world teehe very— considerations. and the world looks very different if you're teehhe— looks very different if you're teehhe et— looks very different if you're teehhe et t— looks very different if you're looking at it from the polish tweeteh— looking at it from the polish russian border— looking at it from the polish russian border than if it does teehhe— russian border than if it does teehhe et— russian border than if it does teehhe et t— russian border than if it does looking at it from london or weehtheteh. — looking at it from london or washington. but but i think that whet— washington. but but i think that whet hee— washington. but but i think that what has become—

washington. but but i think that what has become very clear to tweeeeh— what has become very clear to european leaders— what has become very clear to european leaders over time is thet— european leaders over time is he the— european leaders over time is he he he— european leaders over time is that this is not— european leaders over time is that this is not at— european leaders over time is that this is not at a small conflagration. _ that this is not at a small conflagration. this is all about the conflagration. this is all about the twtwte— conflagration. this is all about the future of— conflagration. this is all about the future of international law as the future of international law ee tteht — the future of international law as rishi sunak— the future of international law as rishi sunak said, ukraine eeewhw— as rishi sunak said, ukraine eeethw te— as rishi sunak said, ukraine security is our— as rishi sunak said, ukraine security is our security. if we ettew— security is our security. if we allow russia _ security is our security. if we allow russia to— security is our security. if we allow russia to roll over all over ukraine,— allow russia to roll over all over ukraine, then where will they— over ukraine, then where will the eteee— over ukraine, then where will the eteee ahe— over ukraine, then where will they stop? and there was another very— they stop? and there was another very thteteetthe— they stop? and there was another very interesting thing , i very interesting thing, i theweht— very interesting thing, i thought yesterday at g7, which wheh— thought yesterday at g7, which was when zelenskyy was talking to was when zelenskyy was talking te the— was when zelenskyy was talking te the whet-e— was when zelenskyy was talking to the what's called the eetttteet— to the what's called the political south india and other ethee— political south india and other ethee .— political south india and other countries . and— political south india and other countries . and these are countries. and these are ethee— countries. and these are countries who- countries. and these are countries who themselves say thet— countries who themselves say he the— countries who themselves say that they their— countries who themselves say that they their history is about threwhe— that they their history is about threwhe ett— that they their history is about throwing off the— that they their history is about throwing off the shackles of eetehtet— throwing off the shackles of colonial ism.— throwing off the shackles of colonial ism. but what is heeeehhe— colonial ism. but what is heeeehhe et— colonial ism. but what is happening at the moment with thh— happening at the moment with thh te— happening at the moment with putin is colonialism . he is putin is colonialism. he is whe— putin is colonialism. he is twhe te— putin is colonialism. he is trying to recolonise ukraine in the trying to recolonise ukraine in the ee— trying to recolonise ukraine in the et— trying to recolonise ukraine in the name of russia. so he's twee— the name of russia. so he's trying te— the name of russia. so he's trying to win over the indians. he's trying to win over. and he's quite right.— he's trying to win over. and he's quite right. i- he's trying to win over. and he's quite right. i think- g i and he's quite right. i think it was a he's quite right. i think it was e tew— he's quite right. i think it was e wew teee— he's quite right. i think it was e wew eeee eetht— he's quite right. i think it was a very good point that he was thehhe— a very good point that he was thehhe thet— a very good point that he was making that the— a very good point that he was making that the world needs to weteh— making that the world needs to when we— making that the world needs to when we te— making that the world needs to waken up to the— making that the world needs to waken up to the wider historical eehtext— waken up to the wider historical eehtelethte— waken up to the wider historical context this conflict if context of this conflict and if thh— context of this conflict and if thh-te— context of this conflict and if putin .to-ukraine,| putin was to defeat ukraine, theh— putin was to defeat ukraine, theh te— putin was to defeat ukraine, which is,ithink,_ putin was to defeat ukraine, which is, think, unthinkable which is, i think, unthinkable

tewe—h— which is, i think, unthinkablel now, _ be effectively which is, i think, unthinkable nonend be effectively which is, i think, unthinkable nonend of be effectively which is, i think, unthinkable nonend of international:tively which is, i think, unthinkable nonend of international law ly which is, i think, unthinkable nonend of international law as the end of international law as we-tt— the end of international law as we-tt twet— the end of international law as we-tt twet th— the end of international law as we-it just in terms- the end of international law as we it just in terms of our we know. it just in terms of our tetehee— we know. it just in terms of our own defence spending. i“ g own defence spending. is it high enough?— own defence spending. is it high enough? mistake for enough? was it a mistake for cameron and osborne to have cut it? well you have remember at it? well you have to remember at that finances that time, the public finances we inherited from labour. there's discussion there's been some discussion the— there's been some discussioni the—the this morning about what's the ceheewetwe— this morning about what's the conservative government done tehehhehhe— conservative government done remembering state of the remembering the state of the ewhhe— remembering the state of the ethte-thet— remembering the state of the public-that we- public finances that we inherited— public finances that we inherited in— public finances that we inherited in 2010 from labour eeehehe— inherited in 2010 from labour eeehehe ee— inherited in 2010 from labour spending mean successive. c spending mean successive. it was. secretaries— spending mean successive. it was. secretaries-raised. was. secretaries have raised concerns were not concerns that were not adequately defended. well, i think part of adequately defended. well, i. think-part of-problem think that part of that problem is think that part of that problem te-tehee— think that part of that problem is-takes time- think that part of that problem is-takes time to- think that part of that problem is takes time to get is that it takes time to get theee— is that it takes time to get theee the— is that it takes time to get these big procurement programs in these big procurement programs th eteee— these big procurement programs th eteee ene— these big procurement programs th eteee ehe yew— these big procurement programs in place and you need to have some certainty.— in place and you need to have some certainty. what most tetehee— some certainty. what most defence secretaries would like is defence secretaries would like te e— defence secretaries would like he e longer— defence secretaries would like is a longer settlement in the hweeet— is a longer settlement in the hweeet .— is a longer settlement in the theet . het— is a longer settlement in the budget , not necessarily more budget, not necessarily more eew — budget, not necessarily more eew et— budget, not necessarily more money. of course— budget, not necessarily more money. of course , all defence money. of course, all defence eeetee— money. of course, all defence eeetee wett— money. of course, all defence sectors want more— money. of course, all defence sectors want more money. £55k? sectors want more money. the 3% wedge. — sectors want more money. the 3% wedge. tw— sectors want more money. the 3% pledge. liz truss's pledge. well i've never been in favour of, well i've never been in favour et. et— well i've never been in favour et. et. et— well i've never been in favour of, of, of really— well i've never been in favour of, of, of really of— well i've never been in favour of, of, of really of those percentages— of, of, of really of those percentages because what happens when— percentages because what happens when yew— percentages because what happens when wew ehh— percentages because what happens when your gdp goes down in a recession does justify recession does that justify ewttthe— recession does that justifyi cutting _what recession does that justify- cutting _what we cutting your budget? what we teee— cutting your budget? what we teee-te— cutting your budget? what we heet-te ee- cutting your budget? what we need is some confidence need to see is some confidence thet— need to see is some confidence thet theee— need to see is some confidence that those numbers will be

maintained— that those numbers will be maintained over time so that you can maintained over time so that you etee— maintained over time so that you eteh weeehw— maintained over time so that you can plan properly in defence and so can plan properly in defence and ee thet— can plan properly in defence and ee thet ew— can plan properly in defence and so that our allies— can plan properly in defence and so that our allies know what it is so that our allies know what it he tehe— so that our allies know what it he tehe .— so that our allies know what it is we're doing . yes, we do need is we're doing. yes, we do need to is we're doing. yes, we do need te hwe— is we're doing. yes, we do need te hwe there— is we're doing. yes, we do need to have more defence spending, but to have more defence spending, th et— to have more defence spending, th et eewee— to have more defence spending, but of course like— to have more defence spending, but of course like everything etee.— but of course like everything etee. te— but of course like everything else, to have— but of course like everything else, to have more defence eeehwhe— else, to have more defence spending you've- else, to have more defence spending you've got to have eewhe— spending you've got to have sound public— spending you've got to have sound public finances. �*jtjtt�*ti : sound public finances. we talked ehewt— sound public finances. we talked ehewt thet— sound public finances. we talked about that headline are about that headline about are the conservatives responsible for anything good over the last 13 years? probably a bit harsh on brexit nigel farage, on brexit though. nigel farage, my fellow gb news presenter, has described brexit as failure. described brexit as a failure. has government failed has the government failed leavers? you were one. are you satisfied with the current state of quo on brexit? well, i think eeeete— of quo on brexit? well, i think eeeete ew— of quo on brexit? well, i think people now forget— of quo on brexit? well, i think people now forget that- ti.»i» »i»" mix ?’ well, i think people now forget that the momentous achievement getting momentous achievement of getting heeh— momentous achievement of getting hrextt ewt— momentous achievement of getting brexit, but getting— momentous achievement of getting brexit, but getting brexit done is brexit, but getting brexit done he ee— brexit, but getting brexit done he thhe— brexit, but getting brexit done is one thing, but— brexit, but getting brexit done is one thing, but it hasn't eetwettw— is one thing, but it hasn't actually been— is one thing, but it hasn't actually been sort of capitalised- actually been sort of capitalised on some of the post heett— capitalised on some of the post brexit opportunities that tewee— brexit opportunities that leavers just leavers were promised. just etmptw— leavers were promised. just simply delivered. simply haven't been delivered. you understand the you can understand the frustration. mean, ask frustration. i mean, you ask people the has brexit people on the street has brexit been a good thing? and a lot of them are having regrets. yes, it's of government, it's a failure of government, isn't it? you're talking to eemehew— isn't it? you're talking toi somebody-always somebody who was always a constitutional— somebody who was always a constitutional for constitutional leaver. for me, heett— constitutional leaver. for me,l brexit—minute brexit was achieved the minute we_unjon-l brexit was achieved the minute we—uhheh hi we left the european union. in ethet—

we left the european union. in whet-theee- we left the european union. in other-made our- we left the european union. in other made our own other words, we made our own tewe. — other words, we made our own tewe. we— other words, we made our own laws. we weren't— other words, we made our own laws. we weren't subject to htehet— laws. we weren't subject to higher me higher authorities, which for me was higher authorities, which for me the— higher authorities, which for me was the reason _ higher authorities, which for me was the reason for— higher authorities, which for me was the reason for leaving the tweeeeh— was the reason for leaving the european union— was the reason for leaving the european union .— was the reason for leaving the european union . have we done european union. have we done enough?— european union. have we done eheweht-eheh- european union. have we done enough? chair global enough? well, i chair the global hhteh— enough? well, i chair the global britain commission, which was set britain commission, which was eet we— britain commission, which was eet we te— britain commission, which was eet we te teeh— britain commission, which was set up to look at— britain commission, which was set up to look at the economic eeeehthttee— set up to look at the economic eeeehthttee .— set up to look at the economic opportunities , not— set up to look at the economic opportunities , not just post opportunities, not just post hewh— opportunities, not just post htexttleeet— opportunities, not just post brexit, post pandemic and brexit, but post pandemic and whet-e— brexit, but post pandemic and whet-e th— brexit, but post pandemic and whet-e he the— brexit, but post pandemic and what's in the world that we now the— what's in the world that we now find ourselves— what's in the world that we now find ourselves are— what's in the world that we now find ourselves are much more thtewetee— find ourselves are much more integrated world. _ find ourselves are much more integrated world. are we, for exwhete— integrated world. are we, for exwhete. wehe— integrated world. are we, for example, using our aid budget in wwe— example, using our aid budget in wwe thet— example, using our aid budget in wwe thet eh— example, using our aid budget in ways that can help _ example, using our aid budget in ways that can help countries htwtthtee— ways that can help countries maximise what— ways that can help countries maximise what we can, what help we ewe— maximise what we can, what help we can give them— maximise what we can, what help we can give them through our eewtee— we can give them through our service industries? for example , it service industries? for example . tt teewhee— service industries? for example . tt teewhee e— service industries? for example , it requires a lot— service industries? for example , it requires a lot more joining up -— , it requires a lot more joining we . t— , it requires a lot more joining we . t thhh— , it requires a lot more joining we . t thhh et— , it requires a lot more joining up . i think of the— , it requires a lot more joining up . i think of the dots of up. i think of the dots of government— up. i think of the dots of government competitive government are competitive eheweh—eti enough against the likes of teewe— enough against the likes of teewehew—l enough against the likes of. france,_now that france, of germany now that we've corporation up. we've put corporation tax up. wett— we've put corporation tax up. wett .— we've put corporation tax up. wett . wett— we've put corporation tax up. well , we'll-our- we've put corporation tax up. i well , we'll-our economic well, we'll look at our economic performance . i mean, our trade, performance. i mean, our trade, our performance. i mean, our trade, teee— performance. i mean, our trade, teee wtth— performance. i mean, our trade, our trade with europe,- t i mean, our trade, our trade with europe, it's not heeh— our trade with europe, it's not been grew.— our trade with europe, it's not been great. well— our trade with europe, it's not been great. well our trade ewtewt— been great. well our trade ewtewt-teeh- been great. well our trade output,-look at- been great. well our trade output, look at post output, if you look at post hewh— output, if you look at post hrextt. se— output, if you look at post brexit. so let's— output, if you look at post brexit. so let's look at that eeet— brexit. so let's look at that eeet-ew— brexit. so let's look at that post-our trade- brexit. so let's look at that post our trade with post brexit, our trade with tweee— post brexit, our trade with tweee. ew— post brexit, our trade with europe, our exports to europe are europe, our exports to europe ete-thee— europe, our exports to europe are _than-brexit. . are higher than pre brexit. thet-e— are higher than pre brexit. thet-e wet— are higher than pre brexit. that's not true— are higher than pre brexit. that's not true for the european tehew— that's not true for the european uhteh eemhe— that's not true for the european union coming. the— that's not true for the european union coming. the other way. and hee— union coming. the other way. and hee te— union coming. the other way. and hee te te— union coming. the other way. and we've had to do the— union coming. the other way. and we've had to do the post brexit period-— we've had to do the post brexit eehee. et— we've had to do the post brexit period. of course,— we've had to do the post brexit period. of course, with two tewe— period. of course, with two wewelthe — period. of course, with two years the pandemic, which years of the pandemic, which teettw— years of the pandemic, which really trashed— years of the pandemic, which

really trashed lots of parts of the— really trashed lots of parts of the etehet— really trashed lots of parts of the global economy now coming out the global economy now coming ewt-there— the global economy now coming ewt-thete-hew- out of that, there are new opportunities. _ out of that, there are new opportunities. i'm cheering this week.— opportunities. i'm cheering this weeh-wew— opportunities. i'm cheering this weeh-wew ewe- opportunities. i'm cheering this week. you give the week. since you give me the eeeehwhhw— week. since you give me the eeeehthw—wi opportunity to mention it at otwhete— opportunity to mention it at otwhete ter— opportunity to mention it at olympia for two— opportunity to mention it at olympia for two days, something ewtee— olympia for two days, something eettet—whhehl olympia for two days, something called—which is| called innovation zero, which is theteee— called innovation zero, which is theteee et— called innovation zero, which is instead of complaining about the ewe— instead of complaining about the costs.decarbonise_ instead of complaining about the costs decarbonise action, costs of decarbonise action, tet-e— costs of decarbonise action, tet-e eet— costs of decarbonise action, the eet ewt— costs of decarbonise action, let's get out and- costs of decarbonise action, let's get out and sell british teehheteew— let's get out and sell british technology-let's- let's get out and sell british technology let's show the technology erg. let's show the weed— technology erg. let's show the wette—ee- technology erg. let's show the world _ do and - technology erg. let's show thei world—do and let's world what we can do and let's exeeh— world what we can do and let's exeett thet— world what we can do and let's exeeh thet we— world what we can do and let's export that we fulfil both export that we can fulfil both our environmental aspirations ewe— our environmental aspirations ehe heehe— our environmental aspirations and make money for the united thetew— and make money for the united theeeh. — and make money for the united kingdom. final— and make money for the united kingdom. : kingdom. final question to you. we're a little squeezed on time, more squeezed than i wanted to be with regard the economics be with regard to the economics of situation . are we of the situation. are we actually squeezed the actually being squeezed by the bank england? we've bank of england? i mean, we've got this report about got this report today about andrew about andrew bailey being warned about inflation back in 2021, brushing it off and saying this isn't going problem. it'll be going to be a problem. it'll be solved by september. i know that this-conversation- solved by september. i know that this-conversation i- solved by september. i know that this-conversation i had- this was a conversation i had wtth— this was a conversation i had wtth-ehhe- this was a conversation i had with prime minister then with the now prime minister then cheheettet— with the now prime minister then chancellor, when _ with the now prime minister then chancellor, when was really chancellor, when he was really concerned inflation. concerned about inflation. a whe— concerned about inflation. a number believed number of us believed that the eehwet— number of us believed that the eehttet-the — number of us believed that the central-the bank- number of us believed that the central the bank of central banks, the bank of teewe.— central banks, the bank of theteht. the— central banks, the bank of england, the european central hewh— england, the european central hehh ewe— england, the european central hehh we the— england, the european central bank and the federal reserve in ahehee— bank and the federal reserve in america continuing to america were continuing to expand— america were continuing to expand hehew— america were continuing to expand money supply. too much and expand money supply. too much we ter— expand money supply. too much we we tee— expand money supply. too much

and for too long— expand money supply. too much and for too long post pandemic, ewe— and for too long post pandemic, ehe thet— and for too long post pandemic, ehe thet thet— and for too long post pandemic, and that that was— and for too long post pandemic, and that that was going to teewe— and that that was going to create more— and that that was going to create more inflation. and it we— create more inflation. and it ete-thetehe- create more inflation. and it did england being asleep did create englade being asleep at did create england being asleep et the— did create england being asleep w the wheet— did create england being asleep at the wheel here. _ did create england being asleep at the wheel here. well, when the— at the wheel here. well, when they-t— at the wheel here. well, when they-t wewte— at the wheel here. well, when they-it would be - at the wheel here. well, when they it would be a they said it would be a temporary— they said it would be a temporary phenomenon, clearly it has temporary phenomenon, clearly it hee—t— temporary phenomenon, clearly it hee—t-thwl has not been. and i think that we-ensure that- has not been. and i think that we ensure that the bank we need to ensure that the bank of we need to ensure that the bank et-te— we need to ensure that the bank et-te ewtwe— we need to ensure that the bank et-te ewhe ewe- of england is paying due ettehtteh— of england is paying due attention to— of england is paying due attention to the supply of money tehew— attention to the supply of money hettew tewhe— attention to the supply of money bailey found wanting. if he was wweew— bailey found wanting. if he was wweew th— bailey found wanting. if he was warned in 2021. _ bailey found wanting. if he was warned in 2021. i think i think there was groupthink between there was a groupthink between those central bankers who those those central bankers who didn't to believe that those those central bankers who didn't supply» believe that those those central bankers who didn't supply andieve that those those central bankers who didn't supply and inflation were money supply and inflation were closely linked. as a conservative,- closely linked. as a conservative, i- t c i“: as a conservative, i do. closely linked. as a conservative, i do. thank you very— conservative, i do. thank you very much. liam fox. we'll be back in just a moment. i'm going to be speaking to shaun woodward, the labour mp who defected from the tories, and andrew jenkins going andrew jenkins is going to discuss don't discuss immigration. don't go anywhere .

this. this . welcome back to the this. welcome back to the camilla tominey show lovely to have your company this morning. i've got lots more to come on the show. i'm going to be speaking to shaun woodward, labour's northern ireland labour's former northern ireland secretary, in just a moment. he quit to a quit the tories to become a labour blair was prime labour mp while blair was prime minister going to be asking minister. i'm going to be asking him whether starmer really him whether keir starmer really is tony blair. i'm also is the new tony blair. i'm also going be joined studio going to be joined in the studio by secretary therese by environment secretary therese coffey, who served by environment secretary therese cofliz, who served by environment secretary therese cofliz truss's who served by environment secretary therese cofliz truss's deputy �*io served by environment secretary therese cofliz truss's deputy prime served as liz truss's deputy prime minister very close to truss . minister very close to truss. find out what she makes of the fall empire. i'm also

fall of her empire. and i'm also going discussing going to be discussing immigration mp andrea immigration with tory mp andrea jenkyns. immigration with tory mp andrea jenkyns . she's a mission to jenkyns. she's on a mission to cut numbers . do you agree cut the numbers. do you agree with her? yes, probably with her? well, yes, probably we'll all of we'll find out why soon. all of to that's come news to that's come after the news with elsey . camilla with bethany elsey. camilla thank you. good morning. here's yew— thank you. good morning. here's wew teteet— thank you. good morning. here's your latest headlines— good morning. here's your latest headlines at 10:01. oeeeettteh— your latest headlines at 10:01. opposition leaders are calling for opposition leaders are calling tet eh— opposition leaders are calling for an investigation after it emerged— for an investigation after it emerged the— for an investigation after it emerged the home secretary tried to emerged the home secretary tried te wett— emerged the home secretary tried to avoid incurring— emerged the home secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her wwhe— to avoid incurring points on her driving licence— to avoid incurring points on her driving licence for— to avoid incurring points on her driving licence for speeding teet— driving licence for speeding last summer.— driving licence for speeding last summer. the sunday times teeehe— last summer. the sunday times teeette ewette— last summer. the sunday times reports suella braverman asked a etwt— reports suella braverman asked a eth eeweht— reports suella braverman asked a civil servant to _ reports suella braverman asked a civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 civil servant to organise a 1 to t wwhhe— civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course theteee— 1 driving awareness course theteee .— 1 driving awareness course theteee . the— 1 driving awareness course instead . the shadow home instead. the shadow home sewetww— instead. the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, teeehhee— secretary, yvette cooper, described the - secretary, yvette cooper, described the allegations as eheethe— described the allegations as shocking, saying ms braverman's role shocking, saying ms braverman's tete te— shocking, saying ms braverman's tete te te— shocking, saying ms braverman's role is to uphold— shocking, saying ms braverman's role is to uphold the law , and role is to uphold the law, and yet role is to uphold the law, and wet ehe— role is to uphold the law, and yet she abused— role is to uphold the law, and yet she abused her position to get yet she abused her position to eet wewhe— yet she abused her position to eet wewhe t.— yet she abused her position to get around it. well, when asked ehewt— get around it. well, when asked ehewt the— get around it. well, when asked about the claims,— get around it. well, when asked about the claims, the prime ttthtetet— about the claims, the prime minister declined to support ms hwewhw t— minister declined to support ms braverman i don't— minister declined to support ms braverman »:»i»" c minister declined to support ms braverman »:ti»" c minister declined to support ms braverman »:»i»" c braverman i don't know the full details of what has happened ,

details of what has happened, nor have i spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see firsthand what i've been doing over the last day or so, but i understand that she's expressed regret speeding, accepted understand that she's expressed regipenaltyieeding, accepted understand that she's expressed regipenalty and ng, accepted understand that she's expressed regipenalty and paid ccepted understand that she's expressed regipenalty and paid the ited understand that she's expressed regipenalty and paid the fine . the penalty and paid the fine. on the final day of the g7 ewththtt— on the final day of the g7 ewththtt th— on the final day of the g7 summit in japan, the prime ttthtetet— summit in japan, the prime minister told— summit in japan, the prime minister told world leaders that ehhe— minister told world leaders that the eeeee— minister told world leaders that china poses the _ minister told world leaders that china poses the biggest ehettehee— china poses the biggest challenge to— china poses the biggest challenge to global security . challenge to global security. amhe— challenge to global security. the tteht — challenge to global security. arnie rishi sunak says the eethw— arnie rishi sunak says the eethw te— arnie rishi sunak says the country is increasingly authoritarian. at home and eeeehwe— authoritarian. at home and assertive abroad . and he assertive abroad. and he eehttwhee— assertive abroad. and he confirmed western leaders are wewhe— confirmed western leaders are working together— confirmed western leaders are working together to de—risk eeethet— working together to de—risk eeethetthe— working together to de—risk against the vulnerability of sundy— against the vulnerability of eweew eheh— against the vulnerability of supply chain issues and hostile thweettheht— supply chain issues and hostile thweettheht .— supply chain issues and hostile investment . but— supply chain issues and hostile investment . but he also hailed investment. but he also hailed heeheeht— investment. but he also hailed president zelenskyy's attendance at president zelenskyy's attendance etthe— president zelenskyy's attendance w the ewththtt— president zelenskyy's attendance at the summit as— president zelenskyy's attendance at the summit as historic. in teetttttet— at the summit as historic. in reaffirmed the— at the summit as historic. in reaffirmed the uk's ongoing eweeeh— reaffirmed the uk's ongoing eweeeh ter— reaffirmed the uk's ongoing support for ukraine, confirming the support for ukraine, confirming the eweetw— support for ukraine, confirming the eweew et— support for ukraine, confirming the supply of american made f—16 ttehtet— the supply of american made f—16 ttehtet eete— the supply of american made f—16 ttehtet tete ehe— the supply of american made f—16 fighter jets and the— the supply of american made f—16 fighter jets and the training of whehheh— fighter jets and the training of ukrainian pilots— fighter jets and the training of ukrainian pilots .— fighter jets and the training of ukrainian pilots. meanwhile, heeheeht— ukrainian pilots. meanwhile, president zelenskyy called the ettwetteh— president zelenskyy called the ettwetteh h— president zelenskyy called the situation in the— president zelenskyy called the situation in the eastern ukraine city situation in the eastern ukraine ettw et— situation in the eastern ukraine city of bakhmut_ situation in the eastern ukraine city of bakhmut a— situation in the eastern ukraine city of bakhmut a tragedy , but city of bakhmut a tragedy, but he wtth-t— city of bakhmut a tragedy, but he didn't confirm _ city of bakhmut a tragedy, but he didn't confirm if it had when— he didn't confirm if it had tetteh te— he didn't confirm if it had fallen to russian control . when

fallen to russian control. when eetee— fallen to russian control. when eetee tt— fallen to russian control. when eetee tt the— fallen to russian control. when asked if the city— fallen to russian control. when asked if the city had been eeetweet— asked if the city had been captured, he _ asked if the city had been captured, he said, i think not. ewt— captured, he said, i think not. we he— captured, he said, i think not. we he the— captured, he said, i think not. but he did admit— captured, he said, i think not. but he did admit there is heththe— but he did admit there is nothing left— but he did admit there is nothing left there. wagner wereehww— nothing left there. wagner mercenary forces who have led the mercenary forces who have led the eeeewtt— mercenary forces who have led the assault claim _ mercenary forces who have led the assault claim to have tthettw— the assault claim to have finally pushed— the assault claim to have finally pushed ukrainians out of the finally pushed ukrainians out of the ww— finally pushed ukrainians out of the ettw ehe— finally pushed ukrainians out of the city, and president vladimir thh— the city, and president vladimir thh hee— the city, and president vladimir putin has congratulated them for whet— putin has congratulated them for whet he— putin has congratulated them for what he called— putin has congratulated them for what he called a— putin has congratulated them for what he called a liberation for the environment— what he called a liberation for the environment secretary says eweeehe— the environment secretary says eweeehe tu— the environment secretary says scrapping eu laws would boost the scrapping eu laws would boost the the— scrapping eu laws would boost the uk's domestic wine industry by theo— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million.— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. a— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. a number of htweeete— by £180 million. a number of brussels regulations that were tetethee— brussels regulations that were retained after— brussels regulations that were retained after brexit will be weeeee— retained after brexit will be weeeee ee— retained after brexit will be dropped as part of the retained eu dropped as part of the retained tu tew— dropped as part of the retained tu tew ett— dropped as part of the retained eu law bill including some that theeet— eu law bill including some that theeet the— eu law bill including some that impact the wine— eu law bill including some that impact the wine sector. theresa cettew-e— impact the wine sector. theresa coffey's comments— impact the wine sector. theresa coffey's comments come after the eeweththeht— coffey's comments come after the government watered down plans to eetee — government watered down plans to eetee ett— government watered down plans to eetee ett tu— government watered down plans to scrap all eu laws.— government watered down plans to scrap all eu laws. just 600 will he— scrap all eu laws. just 600 will now be removed— scrap all eu laws. just 600 will now be removed from british etetwte— now be removed from british statute books— now be removed from british statute books rather than 4000 ehethettw— statute books rather than 4000 originally pledged . and sinn originally pledged. and sinn teh— originally pledged. and sinn teh hee— originally pledged. and sinn fein has become the largest party— fein has become the largest eww th— fein has become the largest eww th teeet— fein has become the largest party in local government in wettheth— party in local government in northern ireland for the first the— northern ireland for the first the ettew— northern ireland for the first time after making large gains in the elections. _ time after making large gains in the elections. the— time after making large gains in the elections. the party's vice ereettewt— the elections. the party's vice president, michelle o'neill , president, michelle o'neill, eeeehhee— president, michelle o'neill, described her— president, michelle o'neill, described her victory as

momentous— described her victory as momentous loss and said the teewtt— momentous loss and said the teewtt eeet— momentous loss and said the result sent a— momentous loss and said the result sent a message that stewheht— result sent a message that stormont should return to power ehehhe— stormont should return to power ehwhe. hue— stormont should return to power sharing. dup leader sirjeffrey heheteeeh— sharing. dup leader sirjeffrey donaldson admitted that lessons teee— donaldson admitted that lessons heee te— donaldson admitted that lessons now need to be— donaldson admitted that lessons now need to be learnt from the teewtte— now need to be learnt from the teewtte .— now need to be learnt from the teewtte . ewt— now need to be learnt from the results , but said— now need to be learnt from the results , but said his party had results, but said his party had eetee— results, but said his party had eettet ewehew— results, but said his party had polled strongly .— results, but said his party had polled strongly . sinn fein now polled strongly. sinn fein now hetee— polled strongly. sinn fein now hetee teh— polled strongly. sinn fein now holds 144 seats— polled strongly. sinn fein now holds 144 seats whilst the dup hee— holds 144 seats whilst the dup hee m— holds 144 seats whilst the dup hee m ehe— holds 144 seats whilst the dup has 122 and the— holds 144 seats whilst the dup has 122 and the alliance party . has 122 and the alliance party. hee— has 122 and the alliance party. hee eh— has 122 and the alliance party. hee et. tew-te— has 122 and the alliance party. has 67. you're up— has 122 and the alliance party. has 67. you're up to date on gb wewe. — has 67. you're up to date on gb wewe. hew— has 67. you're up to date on gb wewe. wew tt-e— has 67. you're up to date on gb news. now it's back to . news. now it's back to. camilla weteethe— news. now it's back to. camilla welcome back— news. now it's back to. camilla welcome back to— news. now it's back to. camilla welcome back to the camilla tehhew— welcome back to the camilla tominey show.— welcome back to the camilla tominey show. _ welcome back to the camilla tominey show. �*jtjtt�*ti cjti» welcome back to the camilla tominey show. git» tominey show. we've got theresa coffey winging her way to the studio as we speak, so she'll be with in just a moment. i'm with me in just a moment. i'm also going to be speaking to shaun labour shaun woodward, former labour northern he shaun woodward, former labour noricomment he shaun woodward, former labour noricomment on he shaun woodward, former labour noricomment on those he shaun woodward, former labour noricomment on those election can comment on those election results in northern ireland. sinn now biggest sinn fein, now the biggest party. that mean for party. what does that mean for northern ireland and indeed the republic? jenkins republic? and andrea jenkins is going me, tory going to be joining me, the tory mp for morley and outwood in

west call the west yorkshire. i call her the woman loved to hate woman the left loved to hate because pretty vocal on because she's pretty vocal on what thinks should happen to what she thinks should happen to issues immigration. ian issues like immigration. ian she's . she's she's a staunch brexiteer. she's a boris backer, so let's find out what has to tell us out what she has to tell us about the future of the tory party and an and we're also going to speaking to a woman going to be speaking to a woman who's going to tell us about whether islands is whether the shetland islands is producing answer to producing england's answer to ehcr. she's the boss of a space company that's going to start launches scotland year, launches in scotland this year, would so we'll be would you believe? so we'll be speaking about that a little later the show, hopefully. later in the show, hopefully. i have woodward me, have got shaun woodward with me, labour labour labour and former labour northern secretary also northern ireland secretary also served blair various served under blair in various ministerial roles. shaun, let's reflect on the northern ireland local elections as we've got sinn fein winning144 seats. they're now the biggest party, the obvious question to ask shaunis the obvious question to ask shaun is does this pave the way for a united ireland and. not necessarily, but i think- i " ti»: : e»: not necessarily, but i think the thet— necessarily, but i think the thet thee.— necessarily, but i think the first thing, camilla, to say is thet— first thing, camilla, to say is thet whet-e— first thing, camilla, to say is that what's surprising about the teewtte— that what's surprising about the teewtte hem — that what's surprising about the

results from yesterday is the ewe— results from yesterday is the et— results from yesterday is the et she— results from yesterday is the size of sinn fein's victory. i thhh— size of sinn fein's victory. i we we— size of sinn fein's victory. i think we were— size of sinn fein's victory. i think we were all- size of sinn fein's victory. i think we were all expecting probably they would edge ahead, but they actually increased their numbers so significantly , their numbers so significantly, their numbers so significantly, the dup roughly stood still . and the dup roughly stood still. and there's a lesson there for everybody, which is northern ireland is moving ahead and i think one of the things you have to look at is actually the messaging in this campaign. sinn fein were talking once again about living, the about the cost of living, the kind that affect kind of issues that affect people dup were talking people and the dup were talking about the protocols and the windsor framework and issues which most people honestly , i which most people honestly, i think now in northern ireland it's not what they're talking about at home. what they want is about at home. what they want is a northern ireland that is cheaper for a northern ireland thatis cheaper for a northern ireland that is safer and they just want people to get on with their lives. they want the assembly up and running. the sinn fein are saying, let's get the assembly working. is saying we're working. the dup is saying we're holding a lesson holding out. there's a lesson there and i'm sure you can read it, but but, shaun, it is going to of reunify station, to fuel talk of reunify station, isn't it's inevitable . sinn

isn't it? it's inevitable. sinn teh— isn't it? it's inevitable. sinn teth-the— isn't it? it's inevitable. sinn fein-the largest- c ?’ it's inevitable. sinn fein the largest party now. fein are the largest party now. wett— fein are the largest party now. wett tet-e— fein are the largest party now. well let's remember, it's the eeeete— well let's remember, it's the eeeete whe— well let's remember, it's the people who decide these things. it's people who decide these things. tt-e the— people who decide these things. we the eeeete— people who decide these things. it's the people who— people who decide these things. it's the people who voted- people who decide these things. it's the people who voted in these elections. and camilla, i've heard you talk elsewhere. i remember when you were talking about so—called beergate and sitting on the sofa with the now gone phillip schofield and talking about, you gone phillip schofield and talking about , you know, gone phillip schofield and talking about, you know, you need to kind of keep a pulse with the people and the pulse of the people in northern ireland is they want to get on with their lives if they can't their lives and if they can't get their lives within their lives and if they can't get united their lives within their lives and if they can't get united kingdom as within their lives and if they can't get united kingdom because the united kingdom because unionism in their unionism is standing in their way, then there's a lesson there too. i hope that doesn't happen because i think northern ireland should within united should remain within the united kingdom. but the end of the kingdom. but at the end of the day, the good friday agreement gives in northern gives people in northern ireland, choose the ireland, if they choose the right not to have that referendum . my advice to the dup referendum. my advice to the dup and jeffrey donaldson is you need to get back on with politics in northern ireland. you need to get the assembly up and running and you need to show people that unionism isn't about a talking shop. it's about doing

and you need to get out there and you need to get out there and do because fein are and do because sinn fein are doing and right now the dup looks somewhat disengaged. i mean, be asking arlene mean, i'll be asking arlene foster my fellow gb news presenter about that a bit later. she's got her show at 11. tet-e— later. she's got her show at 11. tee mewe— later. she's got her show at 11. tee eh— later. she's got her show at 11. let's move on to— she's got her show at 11. let's move on to labour and keir stwmet. — let's move on to labour and keir stwmet. twe— let's move on to labour and keir starmer. i've made— let's move on to labour and keir starmer. i've made a point of the— starmer. i've made a point of the tew— starmer. i've made a point of the fact that— starmer. i've made a point of the fact that you— starmer. i've made a point of the fact that you defected under tony— the fact that you defected under tehw hteh. — the fact that you defected under tony blair. presumably that was part— tony blair. presumably that was ewt et— tony blair. presumably that was ewt et the— tony blair. presumably that was part of the reason— tony blair. presumably that was part of the reason why you teeteee— part of the reason why you decided-jump- part of the reason why you decided jump ship that you decided to jump ship that you tewhe— decided to jump ship that you found inspirational found him an inspirational teeeeh— found him an inspirational teeeeh tm— found him an inspirational leader. i'm assuming. i'm weheehhe— leader. i'm assuming. i'm- wondering-analysis is wondering what your analysis is of wondering what your analysis is et stwmet— wondering what your analysis is et theme by— wondering what your analysis is of starmer by comparison , i of starmer by comparison, i twmeee— of starmer by comparison, i jumped ehhe— of starmer by comparison, i jumped ship because i couldn't remain inside— jumped ship because i couldn't remain inside a— jumped ship because i couldn't remain inside a party that was so remain inside a party that was ee heeethe— remain inside a party that was ee heeethe . — remain inside a party that was so negative . kyiv_ remain inside a party that was so negative . . : remain inside a party that was so negative . , so negative. kyiv and do you remember theresa may talking and characterising the party at that time as the nasty party? it was a really nasty party at that time and the labour party that keir starmer is running is a different party, facing different party, facing different challenges from the one that tony blair took on in 1997. we're dealing with a

post—covid environment. we're deaung post—covid environment. we're dealing with britain having left the european union. we're deaung the european union. we're dealing with a cost of living crisis and we're dealing with a bankrupt current government that's bankrupt almost in every single way . so that's bankrupt almost in every single way. so kia has a whole set of new challenges to take on. i think what's impressive and clearly what's impressing the british people, which is why the british people, which is why the tories did so badly in the local elections and labour did so well . is that keir starmer is so well. is that keir starmer is presenting, whether it's on issues like housing, the cost of living and all sorts of fronts, answers to problems that people actually want the government to be addressing and which sadly the conservative party fails to do. so i think you might be giving a bit more of rosy giving a bit more of a rosy picture is the picture than perhaps is the reality. yes, picture than perhaps is the reality . yes, they did much reality. yes, they did much hettet— reality. yes, they did much better than _ reality. yes, they did much better than the _ ”chi cj» yes, they did much better than the conservatives at the-elections,— better than the conservatives at the-elections, but- better than the conservatives at the elections, but they the local elections, but they needed— the local elections, but they needed e— the local elections, but they needed a 10%_ the local elections, but they needed a 10% swing form needed a 10% swing to form a met-ewtw— needed a 10% swing to form a majority government the next majority government at the next eehetet—ehw- majority government at the next eehetet—ehw eeti general election. they only got 5. —ee— general election. they only got e—we eetee- general election. they only goti 5._are asked what 5. when people are asked what they— 5. when people are asked what they thhh— 5. when people are asked what they thhh et— 5. when people are asked what they think of sir— 5. when people are asked what they think of sir keir starmer , they think of sir keir starmer, they think of sir keir starmer, the meet— they think of sir keir starmer, the most overwhelming response

is the most overwhelming response he eet-t— the most overwhelming response he eet-t mew— the most overwhelming response he eet-t thew. — the most overwhelming response is don't know . �*jtjtt�*ticc �*7 is don't know. well, first of all, camilla, look, let's be really clear. there's a huge mountain to climb. the labor party did so badly in 2019 and there's an enormous mountain to climb. most people thought this couldn't be climbed. the opinion polls at the moment, as you know , show the labour party ahead by 15% or so. the outcome in the local elections would suggest it's much closer to around 7 or 8. and at that they would certainly be the largest party at the next general election . at the next general election. question is, will they have a majority? my hunch is that keir is actually taking the party on a course to actually get a majority . but i also know, majority. but i also know, because i know him quite well, he nothing for granted. he takes nothing for granted. he's not going to stop working to win people's confidence , will to win people's confidence, will he, until he wins the election and then he's going to work very hard the prime minister hard as the prime minister of this if you know him this country. if you know him well, do think of him well, what do you think of him doing with the liberal doing a deal with the liberal democrats? will he do that ?

democrats? will he do that? we— democrats? will he do that? it's not about doing a deal with the liberal democrats. what he's doing the moment, doing at the moment, quite rightly, closing options. rightly, is not closing options. what right now is we what he's saying right now is we need to get rid of this government. bankrupt. this government. it's bankrupt. this government. it's bankrupt. this government is failing people. and can that in the and you can see that in the opinion polls. and that's not about painting picture about painting a rosy picture for . it's really clear for labour. it's really clear that even though and i do think, by the way, that rishi sunak is a very decent person and he's not somebody who i think should be underestimated by any means. the problem is everybody else around him is pretty third rate and delivering badly for britain. but is the country he is looking at and you can see it in the opinion is looking in the opinion polls is looking at keir starmer and thinking that this is the right alternative for the future. but shaunis alternative for the future. but shaun is the shadow but shaun is the shadow cabinet thet— shaun is the shadow cabinet thet tete. — shaun is the shadow cabinet first rate. do— shaun is the shadow cabinet first rate. do you— shaun is the shadow cabinet first rate. do you rate people the— first rate. do you rate people like anneliese _ first rate. do you rate people like anneliese dodds? angela hewhe— like anneliese dodds? angela hewhe t— like anneliese dodds? angela rayner t meeh— like anneliese dodds? angela rayner i mean, you were in eehthete— rayner i mean, you were in cabinets with— rayner i mean, you were in cabinets with people like robin ceeh— cabinets with people like robin ceet-tehh— cabinets with people like robin cook john prescott, were cook and john prescott, who were hwee— cook and john prescott, who were huge-personalities.- huge political personalities. so hew— huge political personalities. so hew-the— huge political personalities. so how-the current- huge political personalities. so how the current shadow how does the current shadow eehthet— how does the current shadow cabinet repair— how does the current shadow cabinet repair them ? cabinet repair with them? i remember in— cabinet repair with them? i remember in the- cabinet repair with them? i remember in the run- cabinet repair with them? i remember in the run up. cabinet repair with them? i remember in the run up to the general election in 1997, as you

kindly have reminded people 2 or 3 times now, when i was then in the conservative party , pity the conservative party, pity people were pretty rude about about the shadow cabinet at the time around tony blair before he became prime minister. i think people can be unkind about personal parties at this stage, but the fact of the matter is, i think that we're going to see a labour party led by keir starmer win the next election and i think people will be very impressed with the cabinet as it will become. i mean, friends like wes streeting as the health secretary , i think are going to secretary, i think are going to be outstanding in their jobs. and i think that goes right the way across board. known way across the board. i've known david long time. david lammy for a long time. i think he'll brilliant think he'll be a brilliant foreign secretary, but i think we're a cabinet of we're looking at a cabinet of quite broad talent and i think keir is going to be a very impressive prime minister. final question , shaun. what about some question, shaun. what about some of question, shaun. what about some et-eettetee— question, shaun. what about some of-policies, though?— : " what about some of policies, though? mean, of the policies, though? i mean, there-e— of the policies, though? i mean, thete-e—wemel of the policies, though? i mean,| there's—wants to there's a suggestion he wants to hewhe— there's a suggestion he wants to ewte—tehe- there's a suggestion he wants to build—land that. build on green belt land that teeeh-t— build on green belt land thati teeeh-t—wett build on green belt land thati doesthe_well build on green belt land that doesthe electorate. well build on green belt land that doesthe electorate. he's well with the electorate. he's tethhe— with the electorate. he's talking about- with the electorate. he's talking about wanting more tmmtwetteh— talking about wanting more tmmtwetteh .— talking about wanting more immigration . we've got figures immigration. we've got figures eemhe— immigration. we've got figures

eemthe-weeh- immigration. we've got figures coming week which coming out next week which eweeeet— coming out next week which eweeeet-hh- coming out next week which suggest hit million. suggest it could hit a million. he suggest it could hit a million. he-eteeet— suggest it could hit a million. he _closer union - suggest it could hit a million. he closer union with the he wants closer union with the tt — he wants closer union with the tt wett.— he wants closer union with the eu. well, that's— he wants closer union with the eu. well, that's not the majority— eu. well, that's not the majority voted for both in heeh— majority voted for both in mexh ehe — majority voted for both in brexit and indeed 2019 brexit and indeed at 2019 eteettew— brexit and indeed at 2019 election-wants- brexit and indeed at 2019 election. wants to extend the election. he wants to extend the wete — election. he wants to extend the wete te — election. he wants to extend the wete te tu— election. he wants to extend the vote to eu citizens.— election. he wants to extend the vote to eu citizens. i mean, eemeltheee— vote to eu citizens. i mean, some these policies just some of these policies just eet— some of these policies just- weh-t—eeewtet aren't going to be that popular, aren't going to be that popular, ete-t— aren't going to be that popular, ete-t wett.— aren't going to be that popular, ete-t wett. t— aren't going to be that popular, are-? well, i think- aren't going to be that popular, are ? well, i think that the are they? well, i think that the thet— are they? well, i think that the thet thhe— are they? well, i think that the thet thhe te— are they? well, i think that the first thing to say— are they? well, i think that the first thing to say to you on hewehe— first thing to say to you on hewehe te— first thing to say to you on housing is it's— first thing to say to you on housing is it's not popular that we eet-t— housing is it's not popular that we eet-t hwe— housing is it's not popular that we don't have homes for people. we we don't have homes for people. we we— we don't have homes for people. we ewt— we don't have homes for people. we eett et— we don't have homes for people. we are sort of somewhere- we don't have homes for people. we are sort of somewhere in- we don't have homes for people. we are sort of somewhere in the order of nearly 4 million homes in the moment. in our country at the moment. and we should be building at least 300,000 year. and least 300,000 homes a year. and the government's been failing on those targets. and not even managing to deliver 200,000 a yeah managing to deliver 200,000 a year. it's quite right that year. so it's quite right that keir starmer has put forward a policy says we're going to policy that says we're going to actually not actually back the builders, not the , and we're going to the blockers, and we're going to give powers english councils give powers to english councils to green belt. and to free up green belt. and before you caricature it too far , here's the example. and it was very, very good on the green belt is that recently homes were built out on a playing field and not a car park because the car park was in the green belt and

thatis park was in the green belt and that is absolutely absurd . and that is absolutely absurd. and if you look at other policies that keir is talking about, i think actually he's talking the policy that most people in their homes are talking, which is deal with the cost of living, deal with the cost of living, deal with getting our nhs working. it's unacceptable to be running the nhs into the ground. people want an nhs that works. sean woodward, thank you very much indeed for joining woodward, thank you very much indeed forjoining me this indeed for joining me this morning. now i'm delighted. my eteeewe— morning. now i'm delighted. my eteeewte. m— morning. now i'm delighted. my pleasure. in the— morning. now i'm delighted. my pleasure. in the studio- 3 now i'm delighted. my pleasure. in the studio by teeee— pleasure. in the studio by teresa coffey,— pleasure. in the studio by teresa coffey, secretary of she — teresa coffey, secretary of state environment. state for the environment. teeee— state for the environment. teeee-teh- state for the environment. . reese,-for making state for the environment. - reese,-for making your reese, thank you for making your way reese, thank you for making your ww-te— reese, thank you for making your ww-te eeeeh— reese, thank you for making your ww-te eeeeh te— reese, thank you for making your way-to speak to-in- way here to speak to me in eeee— way here to speak to me in eeeeh tt-e— way here to speak to me in person. it's lovely to see you. teew—te- person. it's lovely to see you. teew—te weeel look, we're going to grasp the hettte — look, we're going to grasp the hettte-tm— look, we're going to grasp the nettle - i'm going - look, we're going to grasp the. nettle - i'm going. ask nettle because i'm going to ask you— nettle because i'm going to ask wew ehewt— nettle because i'm going to ask you ehewt yew— nettle because i'm going to ask you about your colleague, suella braverman speeding braverman and her speeding ehwettew— braverman and her speeding situation-have- braverman and her speeding situation. have you ever had situation. now have you ever had had situation. now have you ever had hee-e— situation. now have you ever had hee-e eeeee— situation. now have you ever had had a speed awareness had to do a speed awareness course or ever— had to do a speed awareness course or ever been done for speeding?— course or ever been done for speeding? t— course or ever been done for eeeeehee t t— course or ever been done for speeding? i i have. :jti». speeding? i i have. i've got theee— speeding? i i have. i've got theee-h— speeding? i i have. i've got three in 2005. fair three points in 2005. fair enough. nothing three points in 2005. fair enough . nothing since then. in a enough. nothing since then. in a 30. enough. nothing since then. in a eo- h— enough. nothing since then. in a eo- th e— enough. nothing since then. in a eo- th e to.— enough. nothing since then. in a eo- th e to. he— enough. nothing since then. in a 30. in a 70. do you— 3 nothing since then. in a 30. in a 70. do you remember? veeh— 30. in a 70. do you remember? teeh t— 30. in a 70. do you remember? teeh t ththt— 30. in a 70. do you remember? yeah, i think it— 30. in a 70. do you remember? yeah, i think it was— 30. in a 70. do you remember? yeah, i think it was in a 30. ehw. — yeah, i think it was in a 30. ehw. se— yeah, i think it was in a 30. okay. so suella— yeah, i think it was in a 30. okay. so suella has been given theee— okay. so suella has been given theee eethte— okay. so suella has been given theee eethte .— okay. so suella has been given these points . it— okay. so suella has been given these points . it was when she these points. it was when she ettethew— these points. it was when she was attorney general before she heewhe— was attorney general before she. heeeme—theh became home secretary. she then thee—

became home secretary. she then hteeleett— became home secretary. she then hteeleett-eeh— became home secretary. she then tries-sort-sort of- became home secretary. she then tries sort sort of code tries to sort out a sort of code amte— tries to sort out a sort of code arnie arrangement— tries to sort out a sort of code arnie arrangement whereby she can arnie arrangement whereby she hwe— arnie arrangement whereby she can have a one on— arnie arrangement whereby she can have a one on one speed awareness course— can have a one on one speed awareness course or is something not awareness course or is something he ewte— awareness course or is something we we hem— awareness course or is something not quite right about all this? it's not quite right about all this? th e— not quite right about all this? th e th— not quite right about all this? the e htt teew.— not quite right about all this? it's a bit dodgy, isn't it? wett.— it's a bit dodgy, isn't it? wett. t— it's a bit dodgy, isn't it? well, i think— it's a bit dodgy, isn't it? well, i think it's- it's a bit dodgy, isn't it? well, i think it's perfect standard practise now that when people speed they often get offered. if people speed they often get offered . if they're not speeding offered. if they're not speeding too offered. if they're not speeding tee mweh— offered. if they're not speeding too much over— offered. if they're not speeding too much over the— ”»i»: if they're not speeding too much over the limit, the eeeehthttee— too much over the limit, the opportunities to— too much over the limit, the opportunities to of course eteeew— opportunities to of course clearly with— opportunities to of course clearly with a— opportunities to of course clearly with a group of people wher— clearly with a group of people tethet thee— clearly with a group of people rather than me— clearly with a group of people rather than me kind of get into etwtt— rather than me kind of get into etwtt t— rather than me kind of get into etwtt t eet-t— rather than me kind of get into stuff i don't know— rather than me kind of get into stuff i don't know about , i've stuff i don't know about, i've ewtw— stuff i don't know about, i've ehtw teee— stuff i don't know about, i've only teee the— stuff i don't know about, i've only read the papers like everybody— only read the papers like everybody else and don't have any— everybody else and don't have any-information- everybody else and don't have any information on than any more information on than thet.— any more information on than thet. ewt— any more information on than thet. th t— any more information on than that. but i think— any more information on than that. but i think what's fair to say— that. but i think what's fair to ew te— that. but i think what's fair to ew te thet— that. but i think what's fair to say is that she— that. but i think what's fair to say is that she took the point. she— say is that she took the point. she tewete— say is that she took the point. she tewete h— say is that she took the point. she regrets it .— say is that she took the point. she regrets it . and those points she regrets it. and those points ehe— she regrets it. and those points we et— she regrets it. and those points we et eewee— she regrets it. and those points and of course, paying the fine. ewt— and of course, paying the fine. th ehe-e— and of course, paying the fine. th ehe-e ew— and of course, paying the fine. but she's now asked for special ewehemehte— but she's now asked for special arrangements . _ but she's now asked for special arrangements. i— but she's now asked for special arrangements . i but she's now asked for special arrangements. but she's now asked for special arrangements . i“ t.et“ . arrangements. i mean, why can't she just attend a speed awareness course with the rest of the general public? i mean, that's everybody to do that's what everybody has to do every the week, every day of the week, seemingly. all done for seemingly. we're all done for speeding at different times in our career. why she our driving career. why is she wanting special privileges? it suggests again, we've wanting special privileges? it sug cabinet again, we've wanting special privileges? it sug cabinet ministersjain, we've wanting special privileges? it sug cabinet ministers and we've got cabinet ministers and mps totally out of touch with the public. well don't the

public. well i don't know the specific details. the specifics are specific details. the specifics whet— specific details. the specifics whet t— specific details. the specifics are what i was— specific details. the specifics are what i was asked- t �*7 t. : the specifics are what i was asked for a one on are what i was asked for a one we eeeee— are what i was asked for a one on one speed awareness course on one speed awareness course when— on one speed awareness course when wehwe— on one speed awareness course when anyone ordinary who gets tehe— when anyone ordinary who gets eete—te— when anyone ordinary who gets done _ is offered i done for speeding is offered a eeweeeehl-- done for speeding is offered a eeweeeehl- eh- done for speeding is offered a course a on an a—road course at a hotel on an a—road wtth— course at a hotel on an a—road wtth e— course at a hotel on an a—road wtth e wewe— course at a hotel on an a—road wtth e wewe et— course at a hotel on an a—road with a group of other people and you with a group of other people and wew hwe— with a group of other people and you have-through- with a group of other people and you have through it for you have to sit through it for tew— you have to sit through it for tew-why— you have to sit through it for tew-why eh- you have to sit through it for four-why on earth?�* you have to sit through it for. four-why on earth? just four hours. why on earth? just because she's indeed because she's an mp or indeed attorney general, should she get special privilege well? i special privilege as well? i don't reasons of why don't know the reasons of why ehe — don't know the reasons of why ehe—thet. - don't know the reasons of why she _that. what. she went about that. what i do mew— she went about that. what i do knew her— she went about that. what i do knew her ew— she went about that. what i do know her own privacy because she teeeh-t— know her own privacy because she teeeh-t-he— know her own privacy because she teeeh-t-he th— know her own privacy because she teeeh-t-he th e— know her own privacy because she doesn't be in a course doesn't want to be in a course wtth— doesn't want to be in a course wtth-weete.— doesn't want to be in a coursei wtth-eeeete.—t with other people. well, what i do with other people. well, what i ete-thw— with other people. well, what i do-that after- with other people. well, what i do that after whatever do know is that after whatever tetteetteh— do know is that after whatever reflection, she— do know is that after whatever reflection, she took the points do know is that after whatever refletooki, she took the points do know is that after whatever refletook they took the points do know is that after whatever refletook they paid the points do know is that after whatever refletook they paid the penalty . and took they paid the penalty. i and took they paid the penalty. t meeh— and took they paid the penalty. t there— and took they paid the penalty. i mean, there are— and took they paid the penalty. i mean, there are other people in i mean, there are other people th ethte— i mean, there are other people th ethte the— i mean, there are other people in public life who— i mean, there are other people in public life who have ended up eettthe— in public life who have ended up eettthe thee— in public life who have ended up eettthe thee eh— in public life who have ended up getting fined or even banned hem— getting fined or even banned hem htwhe— getting fined or even banned from driving from speeding. i'm not from driving from speeding. i'm het thet.— from driving from speeding. i'm het thet. yew— from driving from speeding. i'm not that, you know, people ehewteh-t— not that, you know, people shouldn't be _ not that, you know, people shouldn't be speeding in the thet— shouldn't be speeding in the thet eteee— shouldn't be speeding in the first place, but— shouldn't be speeding in the first place, but instead of eeeewtetthe. — first place, but instead of speculating. but i don't know. thet-e— speculating. but i don't know. thet-e whet— speculating. but i don't know. thet-e whet t— speculating. but i don't know. that's what i do.— speculating. but i don't know. that's what i do. taken this eetteh— that's what i do. taken this action, would— that's what i do. taken this action, would you have asked for eeeetet— action, would you have asked for special arrangements to be made if special arrangements to be made tt—ee— special arrangements to be made tt—ee e— special arrangements to be made tt—ee e eeeee- if you had to do a speed awareness— if you had to do a speed awareness course? well, i think the awareness course? well, i think the heet— awareness course? well, i think the heet ththe— awareness course? well, i think the best thing to— awareness course? well, i think the best thing to do is prevention— the best thing to do is prevention is- the best thing to do is prevention is better cure prevention is better than cure ehe— prevention is better than curei ehe—thet and avoid speeding in the first eteee—eet- place. say if you've got a eeeetthe— place. say if you've got ai speeding-course place. say if you've got a- speeding-course that speeding awareness course that you mteht— speeding awareness course that you mteht hwe— speeding awareness course that you might have to— speeding awareness course that you might have to do, will you

twet— you might have to do, will you just- _ you might have to do, will you twet- therese- you might have to do, will you just- theresa-you. you might have to do, will you. just- theresa-you ask just do it? theresa will you ask for privileges? camilla just do it? theresa will you ask for not privileges? camilla just do it? theresa will you ask for not trying/ileges? camilla just do it? �*jtjtt�* .. not trying to;»g»i;et7’ camilla just do it? �*jtjtt�* .. not trying to avoid camilla just do it? �*jtjtt�* .. not trying to avoid speeding just do it? �*jtjtt�* .. the t trying to avoid speeding just do it? �*jtjtt�* .. the first ng to avoid speeding just do it? �*jtjtt�* .. the first place. avoid speeding just do it? �*jtjtt�* .. the first place. so d speeding just do it? �*jtjtt�* .. the first place. so to ;peeding in the first place. so to try ehe— in the first place. so to try ehe-theee- in the first place. so to try and-these sorts- in the first place. so to try and these sorts of and avoid these sorts of situations. _ and avoid these sorts of situations. right, let's and avoid these sorts of situat on;. right, let's and avoid these sorts of situat on to right, let's and avoid these sorts of situat on to yourjht, let's and avoid these sorts of situat on to your environment. move on to your environment. thet. — move on to your environment. thet. t— move on to your environment. thet. t eet-t— move on to your environment. brief. i can't have— move on to your environment. brief. i can't have been- move on to your environment. brief. i can't have been alone in being slightly incensed this week news it's week with the news that it's great the water company is great that the water company is going sort the sewerage going to sort out the sewerage that's pumped into our that's been pumped into our rivers too long, but rivers for far too long, but actually that customers are going up paying for it. going to end up paying for it. we've reporting we've got the observer reporting that they're going to make 15 billion profits and yet at billion in profits and yet at the same time, we're going to have 4 to £500 to our have 4 to £500 added to our bills because of what water companies have done to pollute. rivers why in god's name isn't the government saying the the government saying to the water companies, no, you're not charging the general public, you should cost of this? should cover the cost of this? well, there's been record amounts investment into to amounts of investment into to our into our sewer network in particular in the last 25 years since privatised. and that's whet— since privatised. and that's whet thet— since privatised. and that's what that unlocked - “t»i : and that's what that unlocked as “tti : and that's what that unlocked as well as whet-e— what that unlocked as well as what's supposed— what that unlocked as well as what's supposed to be a more ettteteht— what's supposed to be a more efficient-doing- what's supposed to be a more efficient doing these efficient way of doing these eehe— efficient way of doing these sorts. projects. _ efficient way of doing these sorts projects. we'd set out sorts of projects. we'd set out he— sorts of projects. we'd set out he yew— sorts of projects. we'd set out he wew e— sorts of projects. we'd set out last year a storm _ sorts of projects. we'd set out last year a storm overflow teewetteh— last year a storm overflow reduction plan— last year a storm overflow

reduction plan of up to nearly teo— reduction plan of up to nearly tee htttteh— reduction plan of up to nearly £60 billion are— reduction plan of up to nearly £60 billion are going to be the eeet-— £60 billion are going to be the eeet. ahe— £60 billion are going to be the cost. and what— £60 billion are going to be the cost. and what is— £60 billion are going to be the cost. and what is i— £60 billion are going to be the cost. and what is i want to make ewetet— cost. and what is i want to make ewetet etew— cost. and what is i want to make ewetet etew te— cost. and what is i want to make crystal clear is that— cost. and what is i want to make crystal clear is that people eet— crystal clear is that people weh-t eetee— crystal clear is that people aren't going to— crystal clear is that people aren't going to be paying for the penalties— aren't going to be paying for the penalties or— aren't going to be paying for the penalties or the fines. that hee— the penalties or the fines. that hee-eeme— the penalties or the fines. that has-come from _ the penalties or the fines. that has come from the companies has to come from the companies themeetwee— has to come from the companies themselves. but— has to come from the companies themselves. but we _ has to come from the companies themselves. but we seen the themselves. but we have seen the way— themselves. but we have seen the ww et— themselves. but we have seen the ww et eettthe— themselves. but we have seen the way of getting that— themselves. but we have seen the way of getting that investment the— way of getting that investment into modernising— way of getting that investment into modernising our infrastructure. for example, not far infrastructure. for example, not tw hem — infrastructure. for example, not tw hem here.— infrastructure. for example, not far from here, we've got the themee— far from here, we've got the thames tideway_ far from here, we've got the thames tideway super sewer thet-e— thames tideway super sewer thet-e e— thames tideway super sewer that's a multi—billion pound etee-eet— that's a multi—billion pound etee-eet theh — that's a multi—billion pound project which is— that's a multi—billion pound project which is taking about a etetwte— project which is taking about a teeeee ehe— project which is taking about a decade and is— project which is taking about a decade and is being paid for wtth— decade and is being paid for wtth e— decade and is being paid for with a through— decade and is being paid for with a through bills over that teheth— with a through bills over that teheth et— with a through bills over that length of time.— with a through bills over that length of time. but that will eteeteete— length of time. but that will eradicate the— length of time. but that will eradicate the need for overflows themeetwee— eradicate the need for overflows themeetwee. — eradicate the need for overflows themselves . you— eradicate the need for overflows themselves. t/ti». t.et“ eradicate the need for overflows themselves . t/ti». te“ .. :: themselves. you can understand themselves. you can understand the frustration of people who are really hard pushed at the moment financially to being being charged more for what our water companies mistakes when it comes to sewage, feargal sharkey wrote a piece in the mail. you know , he's a vocal know, he's been a vocal campaigner on behalf of cleaner rivers , and he's saying this is rivers, and he's saying this is ludicrous for the government to allow companies to put the allow water companies to put the burden onto people already facing high taxes , facing sky high taxes, particularly a conservative government . why are you

government. why are you advocating more money being taken out of pockets for taken out of our pockets for this, our fault haven't this, not our fault we haven't been responsible for this. what i'm saying to you is that- “ what i'm saying to you is that the thee— i'm saying to you is that the thee-the— i'm saying to you is that the fines the penalties will not fines and the penalties will not be fines and the penalties will not he-hem. — fines and the penalties will not he-hem. se- fines and the penalties will not be-from. so why- fines and the penalties will not be-from. so why is. fines and the penalties will noti be-from. so why is this be coming from. so why is this extra being to our extra money being added to our bills? companies said bills? water companies have said this. more. we're this. expect to pay more. we're expecting pay more, expecting to pay more, even though in our though we can't swim in our rivers safely. well, actually , rivers safely. well, actually, camilla, of our over 400 designated bathing water sites, the quality of that has gone up since 2010, 2010, it was about 70% were deemed good or excellent. now 70% were deemed good or excellent . now it's 93. do you excellent. now it's 93. do you th— excellent. now it's 93. do you swim in rivers— excellent. now it's 93. do you swim in rivers ?_ excellent. now it's 93. do you swim in rivers ? i'm- »i,>t

eeeettteettw— by the environment agency specifically into this topic. ewt— specifically into this topic. but overall— specifically into this topic. but overall ,_ specifically into this topic. but overall, all we need to tetteet— but overall, all we need to reflect that. _ but overall, all we need to reflect that. i— but overall, all we need to reflect that. i actually, you teew— reflect that. i actually, you knew .— reflect that. i actually, you thew . the— reflect that. i actually, you know , the time- reflect that. i actually, you know , the time that labour was know, the time that labour was in know, the time that labour was th eewemmeht— know, the time that labour was in government £31— know, the time that labour was in government £31 billion was eete— in government £31 billion was eete ewt— in government £31 billion was eete ewt th— in government £31 billion was paid out in dividends. we hweh-t— paid out in dividends. we haven't seen— paid out in dividends. we haven't seen that level of thhtemte— haven't seen that level of dividends being paid out . dividends being paid out. so ehewtw— dividends being paid out. so should-just— dividends being paid out. so should .just expect- dividends being paid out. so should .just expect our. dividends being paid out. so should just expect our water should we just expect our water bills mean, is that bills to go up? i mean, is that because know they're also because we know they're also trying to foist metres on trying to foist water metres on us economic? if you're us which are economic? if you're just a or 2 bedroom just living in a 1 or 2 bedroom home, but not as good value for money, you've got three kids. money, if you've got three kids. so they're trying to get money out that way. do we just out of us that way. do we just accept that water bill bills just now like everything just go up now like everything else, our plan else, through our plan for water, want set about not water, we want to set about not only clean up rivers only how we clean up our rivers and seas, but about our and seas, but also about our future of more future supply in terms of more broadly. we do want to encourage eeeete— broadly. we do want to encourage eeeete te— broadly. we do want to encourage eeeete te ee— broadly. we do want to encourage people to use perhaps— : we do want to encourage people to use perhaps less water on people to use perhaps less water we e ewtw— people to use perhaps less water on a daily basis— people to use perhaps less water on a daily basis than perhaps they— on a daily basis than perhaps he teettee— on a daily basis than perhaps they realise that— on a daily basis than perhaps they realise that they are doing-— they realise that they are doing. that's— they realise that they are doing. that's the benefit of mehee— doing. that's the benefit of mehee ehe— doing. that's the benefit of metres and people can switch to mehee— metres and people can switch to metres without— metres and people can switch to metres without having to switch to metres without having to switch te e— metres without having to switch te e mehe— metres without having to switch to a metre price— metres without having to switch to a metre price if— metres without having to switch to a metre price if that makes sense , so that— to a metre price if that makes sense , so that people are sense, so that people are conscious there. but i get the hwehetteh— conscious there. but i get the frustration that— conscious there. but i get the frustration that people have. tm —

frustration that people have. tm tee— frustration that people have. i'm fed-with— frustration that people have. i'm fed with water i'm fed up with the water eemeheee — i'm fed up with the water companies. why since companies. that's why since eemhe— companies. that's why since coming-office- companies. that's why since coming office i've coming into office i've heeteettw— coming into office i've basically set- coming into office i've basically set out that i want an eetteh— basically set out that i want an eetteh etet— basically set out that i want an action plan for— basically set out that i want an action plan for every single etetm— action plan for every single storm overflow— action plan for every single storm overflow on my desk by the end storm overflow on my desk by the ewe et— storm overflow on my desk by the ewe et-mehth— storm overflow on my desk by the ewe et-mehth .— storm overflow on my desk by the end of-month . what- storm overflow on my desk by the end of month . what was end of next month. what was announced-week- end of next month. what was announced week a similar announced next week is a similar whewtt— announced next week is a similar emeth—thw- announced next week is a similar emeth—thet wel amount of investment that we w-etete— amount of investment that we were-to come as- amount of investment that we were to come as we amount of investment that we- were-to come as we get were expecting to come as we get threweh— were expecting to come as we get through-transition— were expecting to come as we get through transition of a through this transition of a tweetw— through this transition of a largely victorian network where eewee— largely victorian network where eewee ehe — largely victorian network where sewage and rainwater combined teeethet— sewage and rainwater combined teeethet. — sewage and rainwater combined teeethet. twe— sewage and rainwater combined together . . together. i've known it's victorian for some years and you've been in power for 13. well so why is this only being resolved now ? well, the key resolved now? well, the key thee.— resolved now? well, the key ththe. the— resolved now? well, the key ththe. the key— resolved now? well, the key thing, the key thing- : 7 well, the key thing, the key thing which we hwe— thing, the key thing which we hwe tehe— thing, the key thing which we have done uniquely , particularly have done uniquely, particularly in have done uniquely, particularly th thte— have done uniquely, particularly th thte eewhhw— have done uniquely, particularly in this country, is— have done uniquely, particularly in this country, is to actually get— in this country, is to actually eet the— in this country, is to actually get the monitoring going. the ewtw— get the monitoring going. the only eeeeh— get the monitoring going. the only reason why— get the monitoring going. the only reason why people are aware of only reason why people are aware et ett— only reason why people are aware et ett the— only reason why people are aware of all the sewage— only reason why people are aware of all the sewage scandal that is of all the sewage scandal that te-ehe— of all the sewage scandal that te-ehe the— of all the sewage scandal that is and the scourge of is around and the scourge of eewee— is around and the scourge of eewee te— is around and the scourge of sewage is because it was about a eteeewe— sewage is because it was about a teeeee eee— sewage is because it was about a teeeee eee e— sewage is because it was about a decade ago a conservative mthtetet— decade ago a conservative minister told— decade ago a conservative minister told the water emeemee— minister told the water companies have minister told the water companies-have start companies they have to start mehttehhe— companies they have to start monitoring publishing that monitoring and publishing that by— monitoring and publishing that by the— monitoring and publishing that now. by the end— monitoring and publishing that now. by the end this year, now. by the end of this year, wett— now. by the end of this year, we-tt hwe— now. by the end of this year, we'll have-the- now. by the end of this year, we'll have the storm we'll have all of the storm ewetttewe— we'll have all of the storm overflows in— we'll have all of the storm overflows in that case. but we wtth-t— overflows in that case. but we wtth-t hwe— overflows in that case. but we didn't have that— overflows in that case. but we didn't have that before . and you didn't have that before. and you eet-t— didn't have that before. and you eet-t eet— didn't have that before. and you teh-t eet thet— didn't have that before. and you don't get that-of- don't get that level of transparency- transparency pretty much ehwwhehe— transparency pretty much anywhere but anywhere else in the world. but it's anywhere else in the world. but he threweh— anywhere else in the world. but it's through-that- it's through having that monitoring— it's through having that monitoring having

monitoring and having that ethteetteh— monitoring and having that publication that we realised there— publication that we realised there ee— publication that we realised there e— publication that we realised there was a particular problem ehe— there was a particular problem we we— there was a particular problem we we ghee— there was a particular problem and it's given the— there was a particular problem and it's given the evidence to ehe— and it's given the evidence to ehe the— and it's given the evidence to give the environment agency eehthtehee— give the environment agency confidence to _ give the environment agency confidence to launch the methet— confidence to launch the criminal investigation . that's criminal investigation. that's etttt— criminal investigation. that's etttteeeehe— criminal investigation. that's still ongoing. but i can assure you— still ongoing. but i can assure you here— still ongoing. but i can assure you we're here on— still ongoing. but i can assure you we're here on the side of consumers and— you we're here on the side of consumers and we want to make thet— consumers and we want to make thet wetet— consumers and we want to make sure that water companies are tehe— sure that water companies are doing-another- doing their job. another consumer obviously doing their job. another consumer environment obviously doing their job. another consumer environment , obviously doing their job. another consumer environment , foodyusly doing their job. another consumer environment , food and depher is environment, food and twtet— depher is environment, food and twtet- — depher is environment, food and twtet- tet-e— depher is environment, food and rural- let's-about. rural affairs. let's talk about food. food inflation as high as 19. much higher than 19. it's much higher than inflation. i was using the example earlier. you might have noficed example earlier. you might have noticed it yourself in the supermarket, a packet of haribos that for children that i'd buy for the children would have been £1 and now it's 125. that's even 19. it's 125. so that's not even 19. it's 25% have supermarkets been taking customers for a ride here? is there also a an idea of an environment of greedflation going on? i'm very conscious of the going on? i'm very conscious of the eeet— going on? i'm very conscious of the eeet et— going on? i'm very conscious of the cost of living— :jti» “g »i7 i'm very conscious of the cost of living challenge more broadly— the cost of living challenge more broadly within the country and more broadly within the country we teee— more broadly within the country and food inflation— more broadly within the country and food inflation in particular hettttehettw— and food inflation in particular traditionally will— and food inflation in particular traditionally will take a bit ttme— traditionally will take a bit more time to— traditionally will take a bit more time to come down. the ewewmwtete— more time to come down. the supermarkets have pushed prices up just because they can well, i think actually we have very think actually we have a very competitive lviv supermarket

pricing that we see and clearly costs of inputs have gone up, including cost of labour as well. and a lot of that cost of thewt— well. and a lot of that cost of met te— well. and a lot of that cost of mm te twe— well. and a lot of that cost of input is due to— well. and a lot of that cost of input is due to the— and a lot of that cost of input is due to the illegal thweeteh— input is due to the illegal invasion of— input is due to the illegal invasion of ukraine. rwy ” invasion of ukraine. why is your colleague, tory colleague robert goodwill, leading an investigation greedflation? investigation to greedflation? if it doesn't that if it doesn't think that supermarkets might taking supermarkets might be taking customers for a ride? well, the select open select committee, it's open to them decide on what them to decide on on what inquiries they face into . we inquiries they face into. we have through our farm - “i. t we have through our farm to fork swmmh. — have through our farm to fork swmmh. we— have through our farm to fork summit. we brought people teeethet— summit. we brought people together last— summit. we brought people together last week. we announced eweetw— together last week. we announced some more supply chain reviews heeewee— some more supply chain reviews heeewee whet— some more supply chain reviews because what we— some more supply chain reviews because what we want to make te there— because what we want to make te there te— because what we want to make sure is there is fairness in supw— sure is there is fairness in eweew eheh— sure is there is fairness in supply chain fair for farmers , supply chain fair for farmers, teh— supply chain fair for farmers, fair-consumers- supply chain fair for farmers, fair consumers have good fair for consumers to have good , fair for consumers to have good . ettewtehte— fair for consumers to have good , affordable, high— fair for consumers to have good , affordable, high quality food, ehe— , affordable, high quality food, we te— , affordable, high quality food, we te mehe— , affordable, high quality food, and to make sure— , affordable, high quality food, and to make sure that every part of and to make sure that every part et the— and to make sure that every part et the eweetw— and to make sure that every part of the supply chain— and to make sure that every part of the supply chain is part tteeteetme— of the supply chain is part dissipating in— of the supply chain is part dissipating in that it is challenging- dissipating in that it is challenging . that's why over the challenging. that's why over the teet— challenging. that's why over the he eewete— challenging. that's why over the he eewete et— challenging. that's why over the last couple of years , the last couple of years, the government— last couple of years, the government has invested well eete— government has invested well eete tes— government has invested well paid £95 billion— government has invested well paid £95 billion towards helping eeeete— paid £95 billion towards helping eeeete th— paid £95 billion towards helping eeeete th the— paid £95 billion towards helping people in the country with the eeet— people in the country with the eeet et— people in the country with the cost of living.— people in the country with the cost of living. there's an ongoing— cost of living. there's an ongoing focus- cost of living. there's an ongoing focus ,- cost of living. there's an ongoing focus , particularly for ongoing focus, particularly for eeeete—

ongoing focus, particularly for eeeete-teweet- ongoing focus, particularly for people, lowest will say people, but the lowest will say it's counteracted _ people, but the lowest will say it's counteracted by the fact thet— it's counteracted by the fact thet whee— it's counteracted by the fact that we've never— it's counteracted by the fact that we've never been more that we've never been taxed more . -tethe— that we've never been taxed more . -tethe-ewt- that we've never been taxed more . -tethe-ewtet- that we've never been taxed more . _taking-out of our. . you're taking more out of our pockets tory pockets and you're a tory government. to government. it doesn't seem to make sense to people. you're charging businesses more, you've shaved 5% off their shaved another 5% off their already profit margins already fragile profit margins post pandemic and then the british public are being dragged into tax thresholds way beyond what they ever expected . you've what they ever expected. you've got millions more in the 40% band. you're taxing people until the pip squeak. so you're saying you're giving with one hand, but you're giving with one hand, but you're taking away with another. what we have seen over the last eeeeee— what we have seen over the last eeeeeelthet— what we have seen over the last decade .that - richest - what we have seen over the last decade that richest 1% of decade is that the richest 1% of the decade is that the richest 1% of the-we — decade is that the richest 1% of the-we ew— decade is that the richest 1% of the are now paying far the country are now paying a far higher— the country are now paying a far higher proportion— the country are now paying a far higher proportion of income tax thee— higher proportion of income tax thet-eetee. — higher proportion of income tax than-before. _mustl higher proportion of income tax. than-before. _must be than ever before. so you must be concerned—earnersl than ever before. so you must be conceidragged earners than ever before. so you must be conceidragged into earners than ever before. so you must be conceidragged into that earners than ever before. so you must be conceidragged into that top ners than ever before. so you must be conceidragged into that top rate being dragged into that top rate of being dragged into that top rate et tex. — being dragged into that top rate et tex. thet— being dragged into that top rate of tax. that was— being dragged into that top rate of tax. that was never the intention that top rate was intention when that top rate was set. well, indeed. and that's why— set. well, indeed. and that's why whee— well, indeed. and that's why we've increased the threshold _ why we've increased the threshold .— why we've increased the threshold . talking about threshold. talking about teeehehe— teachers to about £2,000, teththe— teachers to about £2,000, talking - nurses - teachers to about £2,000, talking nurses as we're talking about nurses as we're teththe— talking about nurses as we're tettthe-eeeete- talking about nurses as we're talking people who talking about people who ehewteh-t— talking about people who shouldn't—asl talking about people who- shouldn't_as high shouldn't be regarded as high theemet-h— shouldn't be regarded as high income-in many- income earners in many ettwettehe— income earners in many situations as— income earners in many situations as well. we all have seen on salaries— situations as well. we all have seen on salaries .—

situations as well. we all have seen on salaries . sorry, we have seen on salaries. sorry, we have eetwtee— seen on salaries. sorry, we have seen salaries , particularly in seen salaries, particularly in ethte— seen salaries, particularly in public sector— seen salaries, particularly in public sector rise . not enough, public sector rise. not enough, theweh— public sector rise. not enough, theweh. wet— public sector rise. not enough, theweh. ne w— public sector rise. not enough, though. not at the moment. in eeee— though. not at the moment. in eeee wtth— though. not at the moment. in pace with inflation. i accept thet.— pace with inflation. i accept thet. ewt— pace with inflation. i accept that, but what— pace with inflation. i accept that, but what i— pace with inflation. i accept that, but what i will say is thet— that, but what i will say is thet we— that, but what i will say is that we have— that, but what i will say is that we have been putting money heeh— that we have been putting money tech the— that we have been putting money back into people's— that we have been putting money back into people's pockets, ewttewtwtw— back into people's pockets, particularly when the economy was affected _ particularly when the economy was affected .— particularly when the economy was affected . i— particularly when the economy was affected . i mean, you can was affected. i mean, you can tew— was affected. i mean, you can tett ehewt— was affected. i mean, you can talk about furlough cash, but eeeete— talk about furlough cash, but eeeete teet— talk about furlough cash, but people feel like— talk about furlough cash, but people feel like the government is people feel like the government te tehew— people feel like the government te tehthe e— people feel like the government te tetthe e tet— people feel like the government is taking a lot of— people feel like the government is taking a lot of money out of theh— is taking a lot of money out of thehweeee. — is taking a lot of money out of their wages. should - is taking a lot of money out of their wages. : .tet,te< t their wages. should tax come down the autumn statement? down in the autumn statement? yes. please, give yes. or no? please, please give me no answer. in terms me a yes or no answer. in terms of your me a yes or no answer. in terms et wewlwew— me a yes or no answer. in terms et your-you teew.— me a yes or no answer. in terms of your-you know, the- of your as you know, the chancellor— of your as you know, the chancellor-out. of your as you know, the- chancellor-out already chancellor has set out already the chancellor has set out already the trajectory— chancellor has set out already the trajectory what we're the trajectory of what we're tehe— the trajectory of what we're doing-your— the trajectory of what we're doing your tory. j»iet doing in your tory. just yes or no , should it come down? should no, should it come down? should tax come down? you know that the ceheewethe— tax come down? you know that the conservative party,— tax come down? you know that the conservative party, the— conservative party, the conservative - conservative government, its thtehtteh— conservative government, itsj thtehtteh—ee intention is to lower taxes so is intention is to lower taxes so te thet— intention is to lower taxes so te thet e— intention is to lower taxes so te thet e weet— intention is to lower taxes so is that a yes? the— intention is to lower taxes so is that a yes? the intention is, ehewte— is that a yes? the intention is, ehewtt they— is that a yes? the intention is, should they lower— is that a yes? the intention is, should they lower but the should they lower taxes? but the thet— should they lower taxes? but the thet-twe— should they lower taxes? but the thet-the eet— should they lower taxes? but the first-i've got to- should they lower taxes? but the first-i've got to get- first of all, i've got to get a eheteht— first of all, i've got to get a straight answer— straight answer to this eweetteh. — straight answer to this. eweetteh. —e straight answer to this- question. _a minister question. every time a minister comes on, can't a straight comes on, i can't get a straight answer. should answer. we need well, should taxes there autumn? taxes come? are there autumn? the— taxes come? are there autumn? the the— taxes come? are there autumn? the five priorities— taxes come? are there autumn? the five priorities are- t7 are there autumn? the five priorities are halve thttetteh— the five priorities are halve inflation, reduce come inflation, reduce that come tewh. — inflation, reduce that come eew— - inflation, reduce that come tewe— yesl inflation, reduce that come. tewe— tee w inflation, reduce that come- down._. yes or no? down. the economy. yes or no? heee— down. the economy. yes or no? trees, please. the— down. the economy. t/tis “»i»7 ”chili? the philosophy trees, please. the philosophy of the conservative _ trees, please. the philosophy of the conservative party- ”chili? the philosophy of the conservative party to the conservative party is to thee— the conservative party is to bring the bring lower taxes. i'm not the chancellor would you

chancellor i know, but would you like to see them come down? as you know, camilla, the chancellor, person chancellor, will be the person who sets out what we do with tax rates. put one rates. i'm going to put one question i know question to you, because i know you might mention because know you might mention because i know you've policy that you've got your wine policy that you're this morning. you're announcing this morning. stephen asked in stephen glover's asked in the mail, one major thing mail, nato fm one major thing brexit that the tories brexit apart that the tories have achieved in 13 years. can you name one? we've seen a huge te— you name one? we've seen a huge te the— you name one? we've seen a huge increase in the standards- 7 we've seen a huge increase in the standards of eeweettee— increase in the standards of education for— increase in the standards of education for our children . so education for our children. so in education for our children. so te teeme— education for our children. so te tetme et— education for our children. so in terms of global productivity , we've seen but— in terms of global productivity , we've seen but much better on etw— , we've seen but much better on ehew mweh— , we've seen but much better on okay, much better— , we've seen but much better on okay, much better .— , we've seen but much better on okay, much better . good , we've seen but much better on okay, much better. good reading. hewhe.— okay, much better. good reading. reading. exactly— okay, much better. good reading. reading. exactly and that's eheetwtetw— reading. exactly and that's absolutely critical. we've seen thet— absolutely critical. we've seen thet etee-— absolutely critical. we've seen thet ethte. te— absolutely critical. we've seen that slide. is that— absolutely critical. we've seen that slide. is that enough, theweh— that slide. is that enough, though, after— that slide. is that enough, though, after more than a decade in though, after more than a decade te eewee— though, after more than a decade in power, we've seen a massive ehttt— in power, we've seen a massive ehttlehet— in power, we've seen a massive shift-what we're _ in power, we've seen a massive shift what we're doing about shift in what we're doing about teetttee— shift in what we're doing about tackling aspects— shift in what we're doing about tackling aspects of climate eheeee— tackling aspects of climate change, which _ tackling aspects of climate change, which has an impact on eeeete-e— change, which has an impact on eeeete-e thee— change, which has an impact on people's lives and— change, which has an impact on people's lives and their energy thte— people's lives and their energy the ee— people's lives and their energy bills as well. _ people's lives and their energy bills as well. it— people's lives and their energy bills as well. it hasn't, and thet-e— bills as well. it hasn't, and thet-e why— bills as well. it hasn't, and that's why we're - bills as well. it hasn't, and that's why we're also starting to that's why we're also starting te — that's why we're also starting te the — that's why we're also starting to see the first— that's why we're also starting to see the first nuclear power we've seen a huge increase in mtwettee— we've seen a huge increase in mtwettee . — we've seen a huge increase in migration . foreign- we've seen a huge increase in migration . g“ �*7 3. ”ct? migration. foreign figures coming out could be close to a million. david cameron promised they'd be capped at 100,000 when

he in office . well, the key he was in office. well, the key thee— he was in office. well, the key the ehewt— he was in office. well, the key thing about having— “ t.ti well, the key thing about having left the tweeeee— thing about having left the european union and is that we eee-he— european union and is that we eee-he te— european union and is that we can-be in charge- european union and is that we can be in charge of the can now be in charge of the wee— can now be in charge of the tee eee— can now be in charge of the rules, and that— can now be in charge of the rules, and that is- can now be in charge of the rules, and that is what we have teee— rules, and that is what we have done-introducing— rules, and that is what we have done introducing of done by introducing control of heeteee. — done by introducing control of heeteee. -eet- done by introducing control of borders. _got nearlyl borders. if we've got nearly a million legal migrants coming into this country and we've got 45,000 arriving illegally by boat, that's not control. that's chaos. camilla, what is what i'm not going to speculate on future figures. what we do know is that we hewe— figures. what we do know is that �*7 3. "ct? what we do know is that we have seen a significant eme— we have seen a significant he et— we have seen a significant number of people come from theee— number of people come from tthetee eee— number of people come from ukraine and from hong kong, but a ukraine and from hong kong, but e tet— ukraine and from hong kong, but e tetleeeeee— ukraine and from hong kong, but a lot-opened-doors,- a lot of opened our doors, mtweet— a lot of opened our doors, migrant numbers are from visas tehe— migrant numbers are from visas hetee teewee— migrant numbers are from visas eetee teewee te— migrant numbers are from visas being issued to students and thetetete— being issued to students and therefore their— being issued to students and therefore their dependents . therefore their dependents. i ehewt— therefore their dependents. i ehewt te — therefore their dependents. i was about to say— therefore their dependents. i was about to say even- therefore their dependents. i was about to say even working visas right? so one of the visas, right? so one of the theee— visas, right? so one of the thteee te— visas, right? so one of the thteee te-we- visas, right? so one of the things is-we have,- visas, right? so one of the things is-we have, i. visas, right? so one of the. things is-we have, i think things is that we have, i think tew— things is that we have, i think tew-the— things is that we have, i think four.the.ten_ things is that we have, i think four the ten universities four of the top ten universities in four of the top ten universities te-weee. — four of the top ten universities te-weee. ew— four of the top ten universities in world. our level of in the world. our level of eeweettee— in the world. our level of education is— in the world. our level of education is really fantastic eee— education is really fantastic eee ethet— education is really fantastic and other people want to take eweeteee— and other people want to take eweeteee et— and other people want to take advantage of that. it's tmeeeeet— advantage of that. it's important that do support advantage of that. it's— important that-do support our important that we do support our wehetetttee — universities, but the key thing is universities, but the key thing te-hwe.— universities, but the key thing te-hwe. ew- universities, but the key thing te-hwe. ew ee- universities, but the key thing is have, say on the is that we have, say on the ewtee— is that we have, say on the ewtee eee— is that we have, say on the rules and it's— is that we have, say on the rules and it's up- is that we have, say on the rules and it's up to to us how we— rules and it's up to to us how we teewe— rules and it's up to to us how we eeetee te— rules and it's up to to us how we decide to change that. we've etee— we decide to change that. we've etee teeweht—

we decide to change that. we've also brought investors in. there are also brought investors in. there ettteteet— also brought investors in. there are different ways— also brought investors in. there are different ways of making thet— are different ways of making thet we— are different ways of making sure that we do— are different ways of making sure that we do that. i know one of sure that we do that. i know one et the — sure that we do that. i know one et the tew— sure that we do that. i know one of the key rules— sure that we do that. i know one of the key rules is— sure that we do that. i know one of the key rules is that we can tehe— of the key rules is that we can the ehwee— of the key rules is that we can take charge of— of the key rules is that we can take charge of is— of the key rules is that we can take charge of is some of the teewtetteee. — take charge of is some of the regulations. so— take charge of is some of the regulations. so if- take charge of is some of the regulations. �*7 regulations. so if we take charge, are we going to take charge, are we going to take charge the numbers charge then? should the numbers come down? prime minister's indicated yes, i agree with him. the has it's the prime minister has and it's always been our intention. always again been our intention. we charge of the day we are in charge of the day they come—make those| come down. we can make those eheeeee— come down. we can make those eheeeee-we— come down. we can make those changes we believe we need come down. we can make those ch make. we believe we need come down. we can make those ch make. but we believe we need come down. we can make those ch make. but ine believe we need come down. we can make those ch make. but in termsve we need come down. we can make those ch make. but in terms of we need to make. but in terms of teewtettee— to make. but in terms of regulation wine to make. but in terms of- regulation _wine element, regulation on the wine element, theh—ehewt- regulation on the wine element, which—about today,i which i'm talking about today, as which i'm talking about today, ee-ee— which i'm talking about today, ee-ee-tehee- as well as we're taking an eeeeewehw— as well as we're taking an. eeeeewetw—we opportunity where there are ehewt— opportunity where there are ehewt hoo— opportunity where there are about 400 pages regulations about 400 pages of regulations heetttee— handling wine, it's becoming a thewee— handling wine, it's becoming a thriving industry— handling wine, it's becoming a thriving industry in this eewehw — thriving industry in this- country. _sparkling country. english, sparkling wine particularly, one of particularly, indeed. and one of the particularly, indeed. and one of the theee— particularly, indeed. and one of the things that— particularly, indeed. and one of the things that we're— t ”.j» :: and one of the things that we're doing is etmetttwtee— the things that we're doing is etmetttwtee ett— the things that we're doing is simplifying all of that, getting rid simplifying all of that, getting eet—the— simplifying all of that, getting rid the unnecessary rid of some of the unnecessary hweewwew— rid of some of the unnecessary hwewwew-we- rid of some of the unnecessary bureaucracy, we believe bureaucracy, which we believe eewte — bureaucracy, which we believe tewe—teee- could save up to £0.50 off a hettte— could save up to £0.50 off a hettte et— could save up to £0.50 off a bottle of fizz— could save up to £0.50 off a bottle of fizz .— could save up to £0.50 off a bottle of fizz . so- could save up to £0.50 off a bottle of fizz . so that's good bottle of fizz. so that's good tee— bottle of fizz. so that's good news for consumers . but it's news for consumers. but it's a lot news for consumers. but it's a tet et— news for consumers. but it's a tet et thte— news for consumers. but it's a tet et thte te— news for consumers. but it's a lot of this is really— news for consumers. but it's a lot of this is really about deregulating_ lot of this is really about deregulating and making sure thet— deregulating and making sure thet we— deregulating and making sure that we still— deregulating and making sure that we still have good quality eteewete— that we still have good quality etetwete thet— that we still have good quality products that people can enjoy in products that people can enjoy te—teew- products that people can enjoy| te—teew wehwe in this country. i know you've got broadcast got a really busy broadcast round, going let you round, so i'm going to let you go. you much for go. thank you very much for coming. thank you. nice to see you. what have we got you. right. what have we got next? at my notes

next? i need to look at my notes now we're now that now as we're now wrapping that up. we going to go to andrea up. we are going to go to andrea jenkins because going to jenkins because we're going to discuss very discuss with her the very recent conference very much conference that was very much about bringing back boris. conference that was very much about bringing back boris . we're about bringing back boris. we're also be speaking also going to be speaking later on lady wants to bring on to a lady who wants to bring the age to shetlands. the space age to the shetlands. but think at the moment we're but i think at the moment we're going a very short going to be taking a very short break

gb news radio . gb news radio. iwelcome- gb news radio. welcome back to the camilla tominey moment, tominey show in just a moment, i'm speaking to the i'm going to be speaking to the lady bring to lady who wants to bring nasa to the shetlands. stay tuned for the shetlands. so stay tuned for that. now joined by that. but now i'm joined by andrea jenkins, tory mp for morley outwood, deputy chair morley and outwood, deputy chair of the erg. she served as a minister under boris johnson . minister under boris johnson. she's a fairly outspoken righty . she sometimes riles the left with her opinions. andrea lovely to speak to you. now you've come out of this conservative democratic organisation conference last week. it struck me as a bit of a bring back bods me as a bit of a bring back boris fest, but wasn't it a bit embarrassing that mr johnson

didn't make appearance in didn't make an appearance in person himself ? morning , person himself? morning, eemete-— person himself? morning, camilla. um,— person himself? morning, camilla. um, no.- person himself? morning, camilla. um, no. i- “ “ 7 morning, camilla. um, no. i mean, it's eteeew— camilla. um, no. i mean, it's etewtw tt-e— camilla. um, no. i mean, it's clearly it's to— camilla. um, no. i mean, it's clearly it's to the— camilla. um, no. i mean, it's clearly it's to the centre right of clearly it's to the centre right et the— clearly it's to the centre right et the ewtw— clearly it's to the centre right of the party. those who really eweeeh— of the party. those who really eweeeh heee— of the party. those who really support boris, the majority of them — support boris, the majority of them ee— support boris, the majority of them was there,— support boris, the majority of them was there, but i think it wewte— them was there, but i think it wewte hewe— them was there, but i think it would have been— them was there, but i think it would have been difficult for me— would have been difficult for me te— would have been difficult for me te hewe— would have been difficult for him to have been there because it him to have been there because tt teehe— him to have been there because tt teehe the— him to have been there because it looks like he's— him to have been there because it looks like he's making a eemeheeh— it looks like he's making a comeback. doesn't it? if is there— comeback. doesn't it? if is there eee— comeback. doesn't it? if is there we t— comeback. doesn't it? if is there and i mean, what the conference was— there and i mean, what the conference was really about, we weet— conference was really about, we weet te— conference was really about, we weet te eee— conference was really about, we want to see proper— conference was really about, we want to see proper conservative eettetee— want to see proper conservative eettetee eeeh.— want to see proper conservative policies again, camilla. we tee-t— policies again, camilla. we eee-t weet— policies again, camilla. we don't want to _ policies again, camilla. we don't want to see a rise in twee— don't want to see a rise in twee .— don't want to see a rise in twee . we— don't want to see a rise in taxes . we want- don't want to see a rise in taxes . we want to see us control taxes. we want to see us control mtwettee— taxes. we want to see us control mtwettee eee— taxes. we want to see us control migration and we— taxes. we want to see us control migration and we want to ensure we eteteet— migration and we want to ensure we protect freedom _ migration and we want to ensure we protect freedom of speech. we weet— we protect freedom of speech. we weet te— we protect freedom of speech. we weet te .— we protect freedom of speech. we weet te . yew— we protect freedom of speech. we want to , you know,— we protect freedom of speech. we want to , you know, really take want to, you know, really take hett— want to, you know, really take hete et— want to, you know, really take hete et the — want to, you know, really take hold of the economy and spend teee— hold of the economy and spend teee eee— hold of the economy and spend teee eee et— hold of the economy and spend less and at the— hold of the economy and spend less and at the same time, wewe— less and at the same time, youe eet— less and at the same time, youe eet e— less and at the same time, you've got a lot- less and at the same time, you've got a lot of your colleagues,— you've got a lot of your colleagues, the likes of, say, tehtee— colleagues, the likes of, say, tobias ellwood. _ colleagues, the likes of, say, tobias ellwood. “ti”»i »it.»i tobias ellwood. there's a piece in the observer as well today saying that the thing the saying that the last thing the tories this lurch to the tories need is this lurch to the right. of right. you're sort of characterised caucus of characterised your caucus of people within the party as sort of swivel eyed and outdated and still harking on about brexit. is that a fair criticism or not?

andrea i mean, look at the matt hancock comments this week. i tweeted back at him. i mean, theee-e— tweeted back at him. i mean, there's always— tweeted back at him. i mean, there's always been a wide range of there's always been a wide range et eeteteee— there's always been a wide range of opinions within— there's always been a wide range of opinions within the party. ewt— of opinions within the party. he tet-e— of opinions within the party. but let's not— of opinions within the party. but let's not forget that. i the— but let's not forget that. i mean, the prime minister's comments only— mean, the prime minister's comments only the last couple of ewe— comments only the last couple of ewe ehewt— comments only the last couple of tewe ehewt eet— comments only the last couple of days about not setting these mtwettee— days about not setting these migration figures . what was in migration figures. what was in the manifesto.— migration figures. what was in the manifesto. i— migration figures. what was in the manifesto. i personally thteh— the manifesto. i personally think that's— the manifesto. i personally think that's wrong. let's not teteet— think that's wrong. let's not forget camilla,— think that's wrong. let's not forget camilla, we all stood on the— forget camilla, we all stood on this conservative _ forget camilla, we all stood on this conservative 2019 manifesto, _ this conservative 2019 manifesto, and we should honour theee— manifesto, and we should honour theee eemteee— manifesto, and we should honour these promises. let's talk about tmmtwettee— these promises. let's talk about immigration then. �*7 3. ”c15 immigration then. the figures are going to come out this week. they might be close to a million. we remember david cameron talking about caps at 100,000. what numbers would you like to see coming in net out? i mean , i'd like to see our mean, i'd like to see our manifesto commitment because i think the concern is these numbers that we're hearing now . numbers that we're hearing now. so it's the effect on homes. theee-e— so it's the effect on homes. theee-e eet— so it's the effect on homes. there's not enough homes, school eteeee— there's not enough homes, school eteeee eeeetetee— there's not enough homes, school eteeee eeeetetee .— there's not enough homes, school places appointed . it's places appointed. it's infrastructure. and the effect

of uncontrolled _ infrastructure. and the effect of uncontrolled migration is hwee— of uncontrolled migration is hwee. se— of uncontrolled migration is hwee. se t— of uncontrolled migration is huge. so i think— of uncontrolled migration is huge. so i think we need to hee— huge. so i think we need to honour our manifesto commitment tt. — honour our manifesto commitment tt. se— honour our manifesto commitment tt. se whet-e— honour our manifesto commitment it. so what's the— honour our manifesto commitment it. so what's the number- honour our manifesto commitment it. so what's the number on that? remind me, was it 250,000? yes. yes absolutely. i mean, even that might strike some people who are struggling with the pressure on infrastructure. the other thing is, do you think this debate has become too toxified people talk about bringing immigration down and then the left often shout, well, you're a racist and bigot. you're a racist and a bigot. does help? i you're a racist and a bigot. does help ? i mean, i've does that help? i mean, i've thteh— does that help? i mean, i've thtet wewe— does that help? i mean, i've think you've seen— does that help? i mean, i've think you've seen this- j 7 i mean, i've think you've seen this over the weee— think you've seen this over the we eemte— think you've seen this over the years, camilla. i— think you've seen this over the years, camilla. i mean , since years, camilla. i mean, since hewh— years, camilla. i mean, since heeeh. wew— years, camilla. i mean, since brexit, you know,— years, camilla. i mean, since brexit, you know, we've been tehettee— brexit, you know, we've been labelled racist— brexit, you know, we've been labelled racist .— brexit, you know, we've been labelled racist . we just want labelled racist. we just want eetwettw— labelled racist. we just want eetwettw. wew — labelled racist. we just want actually, you know , control of actually, you know, control of our laws, our borders and, you teew— our laws, our borders and, you teew .— our laws, our borders and, you teew . emeh— our laws, our borders and, you know , britain to— our laws, our borders and, you know , britain to make all the know, britain to make all the ewe— know, britain to make all the major decisions. _ know, britain to make all the major decisions. so that's what heeeh— major decisions. so that's what heeeh ee— major decisions. so that's what brexit was about.— major decisions. so that's what brexit was about. but, i mean, twe— brexit was about. but, i mean, the eet— brexit was about. but, i mean, the eet ee— brexit was about. but, i mean, i've got no problem with, you teew— i've got no problem with, you teew .— i've got no problem with, you teew . hewee— i've got no problem with, you know , having foreign labour to know, having foreign labour to fill know, having foreign labour to tttt theee— know, having foreign labour to fill these high— know, having foreign labour to fill these high school job eheeeeee— fill these high school job shortages while we while we wait to shortages while we while we wait te wwe— shortages while we while we wait te hete we— shortages while we while we wait te hete we ew— shortages while we while we wait to train up our own— shortages while we while we wait to train up our own people. but i to train up our own people. but tthtet— to train up our own people. but t the the— to train up our own people. but i think the low— to train up our own people. but i think the low skilled vacancies,— i think the low skilled vacancies, there's no excuse for

the— vacancies, there's no excuse for the thteh— vacancies, there's no excuse for the british people— vacancies, there's no excuse for the british people not doing them.— the british people not doing them. camilla— the british people not doing them. camilla i— the british people not doing them. camilla i mean, my ethtteee— them. camilla i mean, my ethtteee .— them. camilla i mean, my siblings , they're a lot older siblings, they're a lot older thee— siblings, they're a lot older thee me— siblings, they're a lot older than me, like— siblings, they're a lot older than me, like ten years plus. et eetete— than me, like ten years plus. et eetete .— than me, like ten years plus. et eetete . thew— than me, like ten years plus. et cetera . they did— than me, like ten years plus. et cetera . they did potato picking cetera. they did potato picking in cetera. they did potato picking te the— cetera. they did potato picking te the eee— cetera. they did potato picking in the 80s when— cetera. they did potato picking in the 80s when we lived in a ttttte— in the 80s when we lived in a little village _ in the 80s when we lived in a little village during the summer hetttewe— little village during the summer hetteewe. tew— little village during the summer holidays. you know, no one ehewte— holidays. you know, no one ehewtt eee— holidays. you know, no one should see manual labour as heeeeth— should see manual labour as beneath them.— should see manual labour as beneath them. fact that beneath them. and the fact that he— beneath them. and the fact that ee— whee- beneath them. and the fact that eteee— eeti beneath them. and the fact thati since_, we've got 9 since the pandemic, we've got 9 mttttee— since the pandemic, we've got 9 mttttee-whe— since the pandemic, we've got 9 million who outside million people who are outside the workforce. _to - million people who are outside the workforce. to get the workforce. we need to get eeeete— the workforce. we need to get eeeete-te— the workforce. we need to get eeeete-te-eewel the workforce. we need to get people to again. but people back to work again. but thee— people back to work again. but thee-eeeete— people back to work again. but then people might say those then some people might say those tehe— then some people might say those teee—tew— then some people might say those teee—tew paid-- then some people might say those teee—tew eete. - jobs are just too low paid. thewhe— jobs are just too low paid. they're better— jobs are just too low paid. they're better off- jobs are just too low paid. they're better off on - jobs are just too low paid. they're better off on benefits. yes. well this is why we need to ensure that, you know, people do pay ensure that, you know, people do pay correctly. you know, these eet— pay correctly. you know, these we've got vacancies- tt you know, these we've got vacancies and it's counterproductive. if we're paying— counterproductive. if we're paying pebble— counterproductive. if we're paying people for benefits, tet-e— paying people for benefits, tet-e eet— paying people for benefits, let's get people out to work. thet-e— let's get people out to work. thet-e thet-e— let's get people out to work. that's that's the _ let's get people out to work. that's that's the most important thtee. — that's that's the most important thtee. hee— that's that's the most important thtee. hee etee— that's that's the most important thing. and also i've been frustrated— thing. and also i've been frustrated this- thing. and also i've been frustrated this week that ewetwthtee-e— frustrated this week that everything's been laid . you know everything's been laid. you know etee— everything's been laid. you know etee ee— everything's been laid. you know also on suella.— everything's been laid. you know also on suella. i— everything's been laid. you know also on suella. i mean , um, i also on suella. i mean, um, i etee-t— also on suella. i mean, um, i etee-t teew— also on suella. i mean, um, i etee-t teew tt— also on suella. i mean, um, i don't know if you— also on suella. i mean, um, i don't know if you saw the wttete— don't know if you saw the wttete te— don't know if you saw the article in the— don't know if you saw the article in the telegraph over the— article in the telegraph over the weekend— article in the telegraph over the weekend and um, about the meetee—

the weekend and um, about the meettee ehewt— the weekend and um, about the meettee ehewt .— the weekend and um, about the meeting about, um, all the, all the department— meeting about, um, all the, all the department heads and seetetww— the department heads and seetetww et— the department heads and secretary of state's where wewe — secretary of state's where we eet— secretary of state's where you've got like- secretary of state's where you've got like the secretary of she— you've got like the secretary of she tee— you've got like the secretary of state for education who is happy for state for education who is happy tee the— state for education who is happy for the figures— state for education who is happy for the figures to— state for education who is happy for the figures to rise. i mean the— for the figures to rise. i mean the teet— for the figures to rise. i mean the fact that— for the figures to rise. i mean the fact that the— for the figures to rise. i mean the fact that the net migration hewee— the fact that the net migration hewee te— the fact that the net migration hewee te the— the fact that the net migration figures in the dfe was reached eteht— figures in the dfe was reached eteht wewe— figures in the dfe was reached eteht wewe eee.— figures in the dfe was reached eight years ago, the quota and it's eight years ago, the quota and he ehtt— eight years ago, the quota and it's still rising.— eight years ago, the quota and it's still rising. you know , it's still rising. you know, theee-e— it's still rising. you know, theee-e eet— it's still rising. you know, there's got to— it's still rising. you know, there's got to be a ceiling somewhere. so- there's got to be a ceiling somewhere. so i think more eteeewte hee— somewhere. so i think more pressure has got— somewhere. so i think more pressure has got to be on the seetetww— pressure has got to be on the seetetww et— pressure has got to be on the secretary of state— pressure has got to be on the secretary of state of all the teemeeete— secretary of state of all the departments across government, heeewee— departments across government, heeewee tt-e— departments across government, heeewee tt-e eet— departments across government, because it's not just in the heme— because it's not just in the home office,— because it's not just in the home office, it's across all teemeeete— home office, it's across all departments that they also need to departments that they also need te he — departments that they also need te he ewtwee— departments that they also need to be putting the— departments that they also need to be putting the pressure on. wett.— to be putting the pressure on. wett. theee-e— to be putting the pressure on. well, there's clearly a cabinet eettt— well, there's clearly a cabinet eettt tee— well, there's clearly a cabinet split you've referred there to ettttee— split you've referred there to gillian keegan. _ split you've referred there to gillian keegan. cj“ »:ti split you've referred there to gillian keegan. »:ti gillian keegan. on one side, the education secretary. thinks education secretary. she thinks the higher. education secretary. she thinks the braverman higher. education secretary. she thinks the braverman wants gher. education secretary. she thinks the braverman wants gthring suella braverman wants to bring them down, as you've mentioned. suella close suella and i know you're close to of your joint to her because of your a joint involvement erg she's involvement in the erg she's dropped the a bit on this dropped the ball a bit on this speeding awareness course story, hasn't ? i mean, my hasn't she? i mean, my understanding is that she wasn't

trying to get out of doing a speed awareness course. she just wanted to do in— speed awareness course. she just wanted to do in a— speed awareness course. she just wanted to do in a way— : t she just wanted to do in a way where, you teew— wanted to do in a way where, you teew .— wanted to do in a way where, you teew . teee— wanted to do in a way where, you know , face wasn't— wanted to do in a way where, you know , face wasn't on the camera know, face wasn't on the camera ethtetw— know, face wasn't on the camera publicly because _ know, face wasn't on the camera publicly because you know, i thet— publicly because you know, i mean, that become publicly because you know, i- mean, that-becomelnews mean, that would become a news etetw— mean, that would become a news etetw-theh— mean, that would become a news story-which clearly- story in itself, which clearly we— story in itself, which clearly tt-e—el story in itself, which clearly. tt-e—e it's ended up becoming a news etetw— it's ended up becoming a news story. understanding she story. so my understanding she weeet— story. so my understanding she weee-t thee— story. so my understanding she weee-t thee te— story. so my understanding she wasn't trying to get out you wasn't trying to get out of, you teew.— wasn't trying to get out of, you teew. ewme— wasn't trying to get out of, you teew. ewtee-ee- wasn't trying to get out of, you know, paying or doing the know, paying a fine or doing the eeeee— know, paying a fine or doing the eeeeeewet—e- know, paying a fine or doing the speed-course if- know, paying a fine or doing the speed-course if she. speed awareness course if she eet—teel speed awareness course if she. eet—tee the got sacked and she went for the tewteeehte— got sacked and she went for the tewteeehte-wew- got sacked and she went for the leadership, you back her? leadership, would you back her? i leadership, would you back her? t the— leadership, would you back her? t the tt-e— leadership, would you back her? i think it's too— leadership, would you back her? i think it's too early to say, eemttte. — i think it's too early to say, eemttte. t— i think it's too early to say, camilla. i mean- i think it's too early to say, camilla. i mean , we are walking camilla. i mean, we are walking a camilla. i mean, we are walking e tteht— camilla. i mean, we are walking e tteht teee.— camilla. i mean, we are walking e tteht teee. t— camilla. i mean, we are walking a tight rope. i mean , clearly, a tight rope. i mean, clearly, tm — a tight rope. i mean, clearly, tm eet— a tight rope. i mean, clearly, i'm not happy— a tight rope. i mean, clearly, i'm not happy with the direction of i'm not happy with the direction et the— i'm not happy with the direction et the ewtw— i'm not happy with the direction et the ewtw et— i'm not happy with the direction of the party at the— i'm not happy with the direction of the party at the moment. and as we saw in the— of the party at the moment. and as we saw in the local eteetteee— as we saw in the local elections, i— as we saw in the local elections, i mean, people were ewtee— elections, i mean, people were eewtee te— elections, i mean, people were eewtee te me— elections, i mean, people were saying to me, they— elections, i mean, people were saying to me, they don't necessarily— saying to me, they don't necessarily fear labour because eet— necessarily fear labour because eet e— necessarily fear labour because we've got a socialist government at . we've got a socialist government et—. thet-e- at the moment. that's what thewhe— at the moment. that's what hewhe-ee— at the moment. that's what. they're-on-doorstep . they're saying on my doorstep. ewt— they're saying on my doorstep. ewt-e— they're saying on my doorstep. but-a dangerous- they're saying on my doorstep. but a dangerous place but but that's a dangerous place to but but that's a dangerous place telte— but but that's a dangerous place telte heeewee— but but that's a dangerous place to.in because you— but but that's a dangerous place to in because you know, those to be in because you know, those of to be in because you know, those et we— to be in because you know, those et we whe— to be in because you know, those of us who remember— to be in because you know, those of us who remember what a eeetettet— of us who remember what a socialist government are like , socialist government are like, eee— socialist government are like, we eeeeetettw— socialist government are like, and especially if— socialist government are like, and especially if it was a eeettttee— and especially if it was a coalition as— and especially if it was a coalition as well, you know, we need — coalition as well, you know, we need te — coalition as well, you know, we need te etwt— coalition as well, you know, we need to start having more need to start having a lot more eheeeee— need to start having a lot more eheeeee .— need to start having a lot more eheeeee . hee— need to start having a lot more stronger . and also— need to start having a lot more stronger . and also commit to our stronger. and also commit to our meetteete— stronger. and also commit to our manifesto promises— stronger. and also commit to our manifesto promises. stronger. and also commit to our manifesto promises . what we all, manifesto promises. what we all, etetw— manifesto promises. what we all, ewetw ee— manifesto promises. what we all, ewetw et— manifesto promises. what we all, every et we— manifesto promises. what we all, every one of us in— manifesto promises. what we all, every one of us in the mps. but

tehew.— every one of us in the mps. but hewew. thet— every one of us in the mps. but andrew, that seems— every one of us in the mps. but andrew, that seems to be indicating that you regard rishi sunak to be a bit of a socialist. do you? well i mean, he's the prime minister. it's up to him to steer the— he's the prime minister. it's up to him to steer the party- 37�*” t�*j. “ it's up to him to steer the party as he th— to him to steer the party as he ttt .— to him to steer the party as he ttt . ewt— to him to steer the party as he sees fit . but i.— to him to steer the party as he sees fit . but i. i— to him to steer the party as he sees fit . but i. i would like to sees fit. but i. i would like to teee— sees fit. but i. i would like to see less presidential style tteehw— see less presidential style tteehw ehete— see less presidential style flashy photo opportunities wetttee— flashy photo opportunities wetttee ewt— flashy photo opportunities walking out of planes and more delivery-— walking out of planes and more tethetw. t— walking out of planes and more delivery. i think— walking out of planes and more delivery. i think that's what we heee— delivery. i think that's what we need te— delivery. i think that's what we need to focus— delivery. i think that's what we need to focus on— delivery. i think that's what we need to focus on as conservatives . as i've conservatives. as i've mentioned, - conservatives. as i've mentioned, we need to see conservatives. as i've— mentioned, we need to see lower twee— mentioned, we need to see lower twee eee— mentioned, we need to see lower taxes and actually— mentioned, we need to see lower taxes and actually pulling our ewmhe— taxes and actually pulling our ewetee eee— taxes and actually pulling our awning and spending less . i awning and spending less. i the— awning and spending less. i think that's— awning and spending less. i think that's the _ awning and spending less. i think that's the most important thtee. — think that's the most important thtee. we— think that's the most important thtee. the wew— think that's the most important thing. are you saying he's right 7 thing. are you saying he's right t hee— thing. are you saying he's right t hee he— thing. are you saying he's right t hee he eet— thing. are you saying he's right ? has he got socialist- ? has he got socialist tendencies? do you think? rishi sunak jeremy hunt ? i'm not sunak and jeremy hunt? i'm not saying he's got socialist- saying he's got socialist tendencies.— saying he's got socialist tendencies. i— saying he's got socialist tendencies. i mean , clearly it tendencies. i mean, clearly it teete— tendencies. i mean, clearly it teete et— tendencies. i mean, clearly it teete w the— tendencies. i mean, clearly it feels at the moment that they're te— feels at the moment that they're te the — feels at the moment that they're more to the left— feels at the moment that they're more to the left of— feels at the moment that they're more to the left of the party thee— more to the left of the party thee. wew — more to the left of the party then, you know,— more to the left of the party then, you know, thatcher aitken eeewettem— then, you know, thatcher aitken separatism, which _ then, you know, thatcher aitken separatism, which which i eweeeh— separatism, which which i eweeeh te— separatism, which which i support in the— separatism, which which i support in the wing of the party — support in the wing of the ewtw. ewt— support in the wing of the ewtw. th t— support in the wing of the party. but i just think that whee— party. but i just think that whee ee— party. but i just think that when as conservatives we ehewtee-t— when as conservatives we shouldn't raise- when as conservatives we shouldn't raise taxes and go heeh— shouldn't raise taxes and go heet te— shouldn't raise taxes and go heet te we— shouldn't raise taxes and go back to we should deliver on our meetteete— back to we should deliver on our manifesto commitments . it's manifesto commitments. it's a ttehheee— manifesto commitments. it's a ttehheee et—

manifesto commitments. it's a tightrope at the— manifesto commitments. it's a tightrope at the moment. we etee-t— tightrope at the moment. we etee-t weet— tightrope at the moment. we don't want to _ tightrope at the moment. we don't want to necessarily bring a don't want to necessarily bring e teeeee— don't want to necessarily bring e teeeee e— don't want to necessarily bring a leader, a leadership change heeewee— a leader, a leadership change because it'll— a leader, a leadership change because it'll mean there'll be a eeeetet— because it'll mean there'll be a general election— because it'll mean there'll be a general election and we'll end because it'll mean there'll be a geiwith election and we'll end because it'll mean there'll be a geiwith 100 tion and we'll end because it'll mean there'll be a geiwith 100 seats nd we'll end because it'll mean there'll be a geiwith 100 seats nd w all end up with 100 seats with a polling-— up with 100 seats with a polling. moment. up with 100 seats with a- polling.-moment . camilla polling. at the moment. camilla so, polling. at the moment. camilla eemteee— polling. at the moment. camilla selteew we— polling. at the moment. camilla so,-know, we, we,- polling. at the moment. camilla so, know, we, we, we can't so, you know, we, we, we can't do so, you know, we, we, we can't te eetttteet— so, you know, we, we, we can't do political suicide— so, you know, we, we, we can't do political suicide over this at do political suicide over this w the— do political suicide over this at the moment.— do political suicide over this at the moment. this is why i the— at the moment. this is why i the we— at the moment. this is why i think we need— at the moment. this is why i think we need to— at the moment. this is why i think we need to put pressure to on think we need to put pressure to ee eet— think we need to put pressure to ee eet heeh— think we need to put pressure to ee eet heet te— think we need to put pressure to on get back to pressure on the heme— on get back to pressure on the prime minister— on get back to pressure on the prime minister to— on get back to pressure on the prime minister to get back to more conservative type policies. the— more conservative type policies. the we— more conservative type policies. the we mwet— more conservative type policies. and we must really get these net mtwettee— and we must really get these net migration figures— and we must really get these net migration figures down. and it's tteeeeetettee— migration figures down. and it's disappointing that the prime tttetetet— disappointing that the prime tttetetet te— disappointing that the prime minister is not— disappointing that the prime minister is not committing to the minister is not committing to the tweet— minister is not committing to the target that— minister is not committing to the target that was set in the meetteete. — the target that was set in the manifesto. andrea jenkins, thank you manifesto. andrea jenkins, thank wew teew— manifesto. andrea jenkins, thank wew weew mweh— manifesto. andrea jenkins, thank you very much indeed for joining me-memtee. — you very much indeed for joining me-morning. now- you very much indeed for joining me morning. t»i»tw�* you very much indeed for joining me morning. t»i»tw me this morning. now let's head back to portsmouth and the people's panel. catherine i'd be dying to know all show what the people of pompey make of what i've been asking of therese coffey. that interview just now with jenkins . looking with andrea jenkins. looking back shaun woodward and liam back to shaun woodward and liam fox catherine lots to fox as well. catherine lots to talk about here at the farm kitchen in southsea. let's start with phil. kitchen in southsea. let's start wtth thtt we— kitchen in southsea. let's start with phil. we squeezed- .t.“ti“ “ let's start with phil. we squeezed him a bit in with phil. we squeezed him a bit

te the— with phil. we squeezed him a bit te the teet— with phil. we squeezed him a bit te the teet te— with phil. we squeezed him a bit in the last in the— with phil. we squeezed him a bit in the last in the last we were tetttee— in the last in the last we were tetttee ehewt— in the last in the last we were talking about the _ in the last in the last we were talking about the fact that theee-e— talking about the fact that theee-e t.t— talking about the fact that there's 5.3 million million eeeete— there's 5.3 million million eeeete ee— there's 5.3 million million eeeete ee ewt— there's 5.3 million million people on out of work benefits, yet people on out of work benefits, wet teew— people on out of work benefits, yet legal migration is expected to yet legal migration is expected te ee— yet legal migration is expected te 90 we— yet legal migration is expected te 90 we te— yet legal migration is expected to go up to about— yet legal migration is expected to go up to about 700,000. phil, whet— to go up to about 700,000. phil, whet ee— to go up to about 700,000. phil, whet wew— to go up to about 700,000. phil, what are your thoughts on that? heeteettw— what are your thoughts on that? heeteettw. wew— what are your thoughts on that? basically, you just— what are your thoughts on that? basically, you just de—skilling our basically, you just de—skilling eeeete— basically, you just de—skilling our own people . _ basically, you just de—skilling our own people . j“ our own people. mass immigration bnngs our own people. mass immigration brings down prices for employment and then all you do have a generation of unskilled youth in this country. if you skilled your own people invested in them, give them apprenticeships, get away from this university culture, then we have the workforce of the future . and also it gives them credibility and ambition, a drive to move forward by mass immigration. it's a cheap option. out and de—skilling our population long term is no good. if you look at the nhs , you know if you look at the nhs, you know de—skilled there. look at building services. de—skill we're de—skilling our own population for a cheap, fast, quick gain and this is not sustainable. well, quick gain and this is not sustainable . well, i think not sustainable. well, i think not whet— sustainable. well, i think not whet eeeete— sustainable. well, i think not what people voted— well, i think not what people voted when they wetet — what people voted when they wetet tee— what people voted when they voted for brexit— what people voted when they

voted for brexit didn't expect thet— voted for brexit didn't expect thet teew— voted for brexit didn't expect that legal migration to go up to eewthtee— that legal migration to go up to eewthtee the— that legal migration to go up to anything like this— that legal migration to go up to anything like this degree. in teet— anything like this degree. in teet .— anything like this degree. in teet. t— anything like this degree. in fact , i expected— anything like this degree. in fact, i expected it to anything like this degree. in fact , i expected it to come fact, i expected it to come tewe.— fact, i expected it to come down. malcolm,- fact, i expected it to come down. malcolm, let's talk to you eeet. — down. malcolm, let's talk to you eeet. we— down. malcolm, let's talk to you eeet. we wee— down. malcolm, let's talk to you next. we were talking a bit ehewt— next. we were talking a bit about disuse— next. we were talking a bit about disuse motty infighting emeeeet— about disuse motty infighting emeeeet the— about disuse motty infighting amongst the conservative teams. you amongst the conservative teams. tew meete— amongst the conservative teams. tew mwte ee— amongst the conservative teams. you made an interesting point . you made an interesting point. wett.— you made an interesting point. wett. wee.— you made an interesting point. wett. wee. t— you made an interesting point. well, yes. i mean,— you made an interesting point. well, yes. i mean, i— you made an interesting point. well, yes. i mean, ijust- you made an interesting point. well, yes. i mean, i just feel that if we spent as much time fighting the opposition as we do fighting the opposition as we do fighting ourselves , we'd fighting ourselves, we'd probably be in power for another generation. you know, the conservative party seemed to be on a self—destruct and it's very sad . i don't know what the sad. i don't know what the answer is. perhaps we just need to get around our leadership, get around our team and support them and get back to good old fashioned one nation conservative policies . and yes, conservative policies. and yes, a huge conservative policies. and yes, e hwee weewet— conservative policies. and yes, a huge amount of— and yes, a huge amount of infighting. and of a huge amount of infighting. and et thew— a huge amount of infighting. and of course, they do— a huge amount of infighting. and of course, they do say don't hew.— of course, they do say don't thew. thet— of course, they do say don't they, that people do not vote for they, that people do not vote tee ewtwee— they, that people do not vote for divided parties . but jane, for divided parties. but jane, wew— for divided parties. but jane, wew teeet— for divided parties. but jane, your local mp— for divided parties. but jane, your local mp is— for divided parties. but jane, your local mp is penny morden. of your local mp is penny morden. 0t eewee— your local mp is penny morden. of course. she's— your local mp is penny morden. of course. she's surpassed heteett— of course. she's surpassed heteett .— of course. she's surpassed herself, didn't— of course. she's surpassed herself, didn't she? a couple of weete— herself, didn't she? a couple of weete eee.— herself, didn't she? a couple of weete eee. ehe— herself, didn't she? a couple of weeks ago, she fabulous at the the-e— weeks ago, she fabulous at the king's coronation—

weeks ago, she fabulous at the king's coronation and she did tee— king's coronation and she did tee the— king's coronation and she did run for the leadership last summer. you've- run for the leadership last summer. you've had some personal eeteeteeee— summer. you've had some personal eeteeteeee et— summer. you've had some personal eereience et hee— summer. you've had some personal experience of her. what's what's wew— experience of her. what's what's wew-wett— experience of her. what's what's wew-wett we— experience of her. what's what's your-well we never- your view? well we never exeehee — your view? well we never exported-all- your view? well we never exported all before brexit. exported at all before brexit. hew— exported at all before brexit. hew eew— exported at all before brexit. and now brexit— exported at all before brexit. and now brexit happened. we're exporting to germany , arnie, exporting to germany, arnie, sweden, america , kuwait. we sweden, america, kuwait. we wouldn't have been able to do it without penny's backing and help . she sat in our unit, talked to uk trade and industry and gave us the tools to be able to do what we do. you know our business exploding around the world, is really all down world, which is really all down to penny's help . and that shows to penny's help. and that shows what a dedicated conservative mp can for you as a small can do for you as a small business owner, that's really great to hear somebody actually benefiting from brexit because of lot of bad of course getting a lot of bad press. recently. we've been tetttee— press. recently. we've been tetttee e— press. recently. we've been tetttee e th— recently. we've been talking a bit about the g7 and theee.— talking a bit about the g7 and wttetee. ee— talking a bit about the g7 and ukraine, so you're— talking a bit about the g7 and ukraine, so you're happy for eweeeh— ukraine, so you're happy for eweeeh te— ukraine, so you're happy for support to continue for as long as support to continue for as long ee tt— support to continue for as long ee tt teteet— support to continue for as long as it takes? yeah,— support to continue for as long as it takes? yeah, you have to eweeeh— as it takes? yeah, you have to eweeehthem. — as it takes? yeah, you have to support them. you- as it takes? yeah, you have to support them. t/ti». support them. you know, you don't want china and putin doing what they're doing to ukraine. it's impacting on us as a country as well . coke had a big country as well. coke had a big bottling factory out there. the

russians bombed it. so coke has bought all the glass stores around the world. so small producers or producers can't get glass worldwide. now it's a real difficult situation . hopefully difficult situation. hopefully we can make more glass in the uk, which would be a wonder , uk, which would be a wonder, awful place to be. where we could go to somebody local and then make glass for you. yes indeed. and phil, we were tetttee— indeed. and phil, we were tetttee e— indeed. and phil, we were talking a bit— :: and phil, we were talking a bit about china and of etwtewetw— talking a bit about china and of ehwewetw e— talking a bit about china and of obviously a huge— talking a bit about china and of obviously a huge challenge threw.— obviously a huge challenge threat. define— obviously a huge challenge threat. define it how you will. whet-e— threat. define it how you will. whet-e wew— threat. define it how you will. what's your view— threat. define it how you will. what's your view on that? �*t�*t�*t�*jii: ”»i what's your view on that? we're ewtwee— what's your view on that? we're eewtetew ee— what's your view on that? we're addicted on cheap— what's your view on that? we're addicted on cheap products from china. china is out for his own gain. they're not interested in the other markets . and if the uk or other markets. and if you become reliant on a country that much at the end, they will control you and they will control you and they will control the power over you . what control the power over you. what you can have and you can't have this. going to happen this. what's going to happen with own of with batteries? they own 80% of the . and so the battery technology. and so if disobey them, will if you disobey them, they will say, and say, we'll stop producing and let allow the batteries. let you allow the batteries. we're going a de sac, we're going to a cul de sac, basically. think we've got to basically. i think we've got to span a broaden horizons and span a broaden our horizons and we've become important

exporters, you know, and china to you've got the asian continent , you've got americas, continent, you've got americas, you've got to bring them on board, be more outward looking change of change of tactic definitely needed . okay. so definitely needed. okay. so that's it for today- definitely needed. okay. so that's it for today .- »:ti “ .»iije :: okay. so that's it for today . from the that's it for today. from the twe— that's it for today. from the farm kitchen _ that's it for today. from the farm kitchen in— that's it for today. from the farm kitchen in southsea and our teeete-e— farm kitchen in southsea and our heeete-e heeeh— farm kitchen in southsea and our people's panel. back to you in the— people's panel. back to you in the ehhe— people's panel. back to you in the studio. camilla, thank you weew— the studio. camilla, thank you weew mweh— the studio. camilla, thank you very much, catherine . c. very much, catherine. give my tewe— very much, catherine. give my tewe-the— very much, catherine. give my love the seaside there . now, love to the seaside there. now, quite touching scenes have been playing the g7 in japan. playing out in the g7 in japan. a moments ago , president a few moments ago, president zelenskyy laid a wreath with the japanese prime minister, fumio kishi . let's just watch that kishi. let's just watch that just for a moment. it's obviously it's quite something to see. president zelenskyy having left ukraine and gone to join world leaders where he is lobbying for more military support for his country , he . support for his country, he. just scenes from the g7 there now coming up, is just scenes from the g7 there now coming up , is the uk about now coming up, is the uk about to get its own answer to nasa? a private company is one step closer to getting the green

light for a spaceport in the shetland islands, of all places . i'm going to be speaking to that company. ceo in just a moment. don't anywhere

forward from this. join us here on forward from this. join us here ee eh— forward from this. join us here ee eh wewe.— forward from this. join us here on gb news. the— forward from this. join us here on gb news. the people's eheeeet.— on gb news. the people's channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. weteeme— channel. britain is watching. welcome back— channel. britain is watching. welcome back to the camilla temteew— welcome back to the camilla tominey show. _ welcome back to the camilla tominey show. \»»i»tw t»: welcome back to the camilla tominey show. \»»i»twt t»: tominey show. now i'm joined by arlene foster, former northern ireland first minister and gb news presenter. you're covering michael portillo's show 11. michael portillo's show at 11. arlene, you coming arlene, what have you got coming up bit like your show. up? well, a bit like your show. he— up? well, a bit like your show. the eemetetetw— i. :»7 well, a bit like your show. it's completely packed. we're teettee— it's completely packed. we're teettee et— it's completely packed. we're looking at immigration. the hewee— looking at immigration. the ttewtee—thtei looking at immigration. the- figures_this week figures are coming out this week to figures are coming out this week te — figures are coming out this week te tm— figures are coming out this week te tm ee— figures are coming out this week to see. i'm sure they are going to see. i'm sure they are going te-thee— to see. i'm sure they are going te-thee whet- to see. i'm sure they are going to _than what they. to see. i'm sure they are going to than what they were to be larger than what they were teet— to be larger than what they were he wew. — to be larger than what they were last year. .does_ to be larger than what they were last year. does impact last year. how does that impact on last year. how does that impact ee-thtme— last year. how does that impact on prime minister's pledge on the prime minister's pledge to on the prime minister's pledge te—heetet- on the prime minister's pledge to_boats? we're to stop the small boats? we're going— to stop the small boats? we're eetee-w— to stop the small boats? we're eetee-w ett— to stop the small boats? we're eetee-w ett et- to stop the small boats? we're going at all of that. going to look at all of that. were— going to look at all of that. we're looking— going to look at all of that. we're looking at— going to look at all of that. we're looking at the renters etm— we're looking at the rentersj reform—michael reform bill as well. michael eee— reform bill as well. michael gove's legislation, the gove's piece of legislation, the eeet— gove's piece of legislation, the eeet et— gove's piece of legislation, the eeet et teee— gove's piece of legislation, the cost of food in— gove's piece of legislation, the cost of food in the— gove's piece of legislation, the cost of food in the uk, which wewe— cost of food in the uk, which we we— cost of food in the uk, which you've just covered with theresa tehew— you've just covered with theresa eettew wewe— you've just covered with theresa coffey we're talking to a eemww— coffey we're talking to a primary producer about what's eewetee— primary producer about what's eewetee-the— primary producer about what's causing-the farm - primary producer about what's causing the farm level . causing that at the farm level. hee— causing that at the farm level. and interestingly— causing that at the farm level. and interestingly looking and interestingly we're looking at and interestingly we're looking w e— and interestingly we're looking w e cu— and interestingly we're looking at a cia video— and interestingly we're looking at a cia video-has-

and interestingly we're looking at a cia video has been at a cia video which has been but— at a cia video which has been ewt ewt— at a cia video which has been ewt ewt te— at a cia video which has been put out in ukraine— at a cia video which has been put out in ukraine to try and encourage russians to give tetetmettee— encourage russians to give information about about the wttetetee— information about about the ukrainian war. _ information about about the ukrainian war. so we want to ask the ukrainian war. so we want to ask the eweettee— ukrainian war. so we want to ask the eweettee te— ukrainian war. so we want to ask the question, is that going to week— the question, is that going to week t— the question, is that going to week t et— the question, is that going to work ? of course,— the question, is that going to work ? of course, as well. i'm work? of course, as well. i'm eeweeee— work? of course, as well. i'm eeweeee the — work? of course, as well. i'm covering the northern ireland eteettee— covering the northern ireland eteettee-he- covering the northern ireland election. be wrong covering the northern ireland electi(that be wrong covering the northern ireland electi(that . be wrong covering the northern ireland electi(that . “ lvrong covering the northern ireland electi(that. tehiig covering the northern ireland electi(that. “e»: covering the northern ireland electi(that . “e»: about that. i mean, we had sean woodward on former northern ireland earlier sort woodward on former northern ire saying, earlier sort woodward on former northern ire saying, it'saarlier sort woodward on former northern ire saying, it's a rlier sort woodward on former northern iresaying, it's a bad sort woodward on former northern iresaying, it's a bad night of saying, oh, it's a bad night for the dup. sinn fein are for the dup. and sinn fein are doing they're doing well because they're looking response looking forward. quick response to arlene? well, dup to that, arlene? well, the dup eemetetetw— to that, arlene? well, the dup completely-number. to that, arlene? well, the dupj completely - number of completely held the number of eeete— completely held the number of eeete-hee. — completely held the number of seats-had. they- completely held the number of seats had. they had completely held the number of sea going had. they had completely held the number of sea going into had. they had completely held the number of sea going into the d. they had completely held the number of sea going into the election.ad 122 going into the election. thew-we— 122 going into the election. - thew-we—eeme they've come out with the same eme— they've come out with the same he et— they've come out with the same number of-sinn- they've come out with the same number of sinn fein have number of seats. sinn fein have eemetetetw—the- completely dominated the nationalist— completely dominated the nationalist scene and in fact the— nationalist scene and in fact the ehtt— nationalist scene and in fact the sdlp have— nationalist scene and in fact the sdlp have dropped right back . se— the sdlp have dropped right back . se t— the sdlp have dropped right back . se t the— the sdlp have dropped right back . so i think it's— the sdlp have dropped right back . so i think it's interesting to teet— . so i think it's interesting to we et— . so i think it's interesting to we w the— . so i think it's interesting to look at the whole picture, not he— look at the whole picture, not he the— look at the whole picture, not he the ee— look at the whole picture, not just the one picture of the dup tehe— just the one picture of the dup eetee-tweeet— just the one picture of the dup being largest party, which being the largest party, which thew— being the largest party, whichi thew—eeee they are. it's been a very good eteettee— they are. it's been a very good election-them,— they are. it's been a very good election-them, but- they are. it's been a very good election them, but they election for them, but they ehtt— still republicans and nationalists- still republicans and nationalists still only hold 40% of nationalists still only hold 40% et the— nationalists still only hold 40% et the wete— nationalists still only hold 40% of the vote in— nationalists still only hold 40% of the vote in northern ireland. hee— of the vote in northern ireland. heelthtet— of the vote in northern ireland. heelthtet-ee- and i think that's an interesting- and i think that's an interesting at. interesting figure to look at. teh— interesting figure to look at. teh etew— interesting figure to look at. fair play _forward- interesting figure to look at. fair play _forward to. fair play looking forward to your 11. arlene, thanks your show at 11. arlene, thanks for let's for being with me. now let's talk about space in the shetlands , would you believe? shetlands, would you believe? i'm joined by debbie strang ,

i'm joined by debbie strang, who's the ceo, co of saxavord spaceport uk, which is hoping to open the uk's first vertical spaceport in the shetland islands. the spaceport is still awaiting approval from the civil aviation authority, but a story this week in the times suggested it's likely to be forthcoming. debbie, tell us everything, because that is an intriguing story. first of all, when we say spaceport to do what and why the shetlands and thank you for inviting me on camilla spaceport to launch small satellites sun synchronous and polar orbit. so satellites that make everyday lives better , more efficient so lives better, more efficient so that we can have programmes like this so that, you know, our mobile phones. satnav but also eeeete— mobile phones. satnav but also pebble perhaps— mobile phones. satnav but also people perhaps don't— satnav but also people perhaps don't realise thet— people perhaps don't realise that satellites— people perhaps don't realise that satellites really can etteet— that satellites really can affect people _ that satellites really can affect people almost 20 times eeteee— affect people almost 20 times before 10:00 _ affect people almost 20 times before 10:00 in— affect people almost 20 times before 10:00 in the morning from the before 10:00 in the morning from the tmee— before 10:00 in the morning from the farmers making the correct teeteteee— the farmers making the correct decisions from _ the farmers making the correct decisions from space data on whee— decisions from space data on whee thew— decisions from space data on when they harvest cereal to your eteehtettw— when they harvest cereal to your electricity and— when they harvest cereal to your electricity and your— when they harvest cereal to your electricity and your heating ttee— electricity and your heating the .— electricity and your heating time . o'clock— electricity and your heating time . o'clock you know, a time. o'clock you know, a

massive impact- time. o'clock you know, a massive impact and make our thee— massive impact and make our thee ee— massive impact and make our thee ee mweh— massive impact and make our lives so much easier and safer in lives so much easier and safer th e— lives so much easier and safer th e wew— lives so much easier and safer th e wew ee— lives so much easier and safer in a way so there's— lives so much easier and safer in a way so there's a shortage of in a way so there's a shortage et ettee— in a way so there's a shortage et ettee te— in a way so there's a shortage et ettee te eet— in a way so there's a shortage of sites to get satellites into eeeee— of sites to get satellites into eeeee eee— of sites to get satellites into eeeee we the— of sites to get satellites into space and the uk hasn't had that ehttttw— space and the uk hasn't had that ehttttw te— space and the uk hasn't had that ehttttw te ee— space and the uk hasn't had that ability to do so— space and the uk hasn't had that ability to do so until very teeeettw. — ability to do so until very teeeettw. se— ability to do so until very recently. so have we previously heee— recently. so have we previously heee tetteet— recently. so have we previously been reliant on— recently. so have we previously been reliant on other countries to been reliant on other countries te eet— been reliant on other countries te eet theee— been reliant on other countries to get these satellites up? �*t�*t�*t�*jii: to get these satellites up? we hewe— to get these satellites up? we hewe. wee— to get these satellites up? we hewe. wee .— to get these satellites up? we hwe. wee . hew— to get these satellites up? we have, yes . and who- to get these satellites up? we have, yes . and who do- to get these satellites up? �*t�*t�*t�*jii: have, yes. and who do we predominantly use to so the states or new zealand or a range ? zealand? yes, quite surprising. okay and so this is about the british doing it for themselves. absolutely and why themselves. absolutely and why the shetlands then? i mean, i can imagine geographically, you know, be as north as possible. that's one of the reasons that's absolutely correct . yes. north absolutely correct. yes. north is absolutely correct. yes. north te eeeethte— absolutely correct. yes. north te eeeethte .— absolutely correct. yes. north is possible . well,— .»iije tt yes. north is possible . well, because it's is possible. well, because it's a is possible. well, because it's e eheeee— is possible. well, because it's e ehettet eee— is possible. well, because it's a shorter sort of— is possible. well, because it's a shorter sort of journey northwards. _ a shorter sort of journey northwards. but also safety. i the— northwards. but also safety. i mean, the island— northwards. but also safety. i mean, the island that we're on in mean, the island that we're on te weet— mean, the island that we're on te weet te— mean, the island that we're on te weet te e— mean, the island that we're on in unst is a population of 650. ewt— in unst is a population of 650. he the— in unst is a population of 650. but the trajectory— in unst is a population of 650. but the trajectory is sort of eeehwwee— but the trajectory is sort of eehhwwee .— but the trajectory is sort of northwards . i— but the trajectory is sort of northwards . i always i always do northwards. i always i always do thet— northwards. i always i always do thet heeewee— northwards. i always i always do that because the— northwards. i always i always do that because the range is huge. we that because the range is huge. we ee— that because the range is huge. we eet— that because the range is huge. we are not overflying any eeewee— we are not overflying any eeehee et— we are not overflying any centres of population. so safety .the— centres of population. so safety . the eetetw— centres of population. so safety , the safety, safety, to be heeeet— , the safety, safety, to be heeeet. — , the safety, safety, to be honest . and- , the safety, safety, to be honest. “: , the safety, safety, to be honest. '“: »:i» , the safety, safety, to be honest . ' “: »:i»

, the safety, safety, to be- honest . and what do the local honest. and what do the local people think about this project ? mean, presumably it's going ? i mean, presumably it's going to some the local to bring some money to the local economy. it's to create economy. it's going to create some jobs. absolutely. and it eheeew— already has. you know, we've -eeeeeemeww- already has. you know, we've seen company setting up seen small company setting up eteeew— seen small company setting up eheeewleweeeh— seen small company setting up already support the already to support the construction - already to support the construction of the site . and so construction of the site. and so thew-we— construction of the site. and so thew-we teettw— construction of the site. and so they've really have— construction of the site. and so they've really have welcomed it wtth— they've really have welcomed it wtth eeeh— they've really have welcomed it with open arms— they've really have welcomed it with open arms and shetland as a whete— with open arms and shetland as a whete .— with open arms and shetland as a whete . hee— with open arms and shetland as a whete . the t— with open arms and shetland as a whole . and i suppose scotland, whole. and i suppose scotland, you— whole. and i suppose scotland, wew teew.— whole. and i suppose scotland, you know, really— whole. and i suppose scotland, you know, really embraced what is you know, really embraced what te heeeeetee— you know, really embraced what is happening here.— you know, really embraced what is happening here. it is so exetttee— is happening here. it is so exciting that— is happening here. it is so exciting that the uk is finally emehee— exciting that the uk is finally eeteeee wew— exciting that the uk is finally entering you know, and having the entering you know, and having the ehttttw— entering you know, and having the ehttttw te— entering you know, and having the ability to launch from uk eett— the ability to launch from uk eett eee— the ability to launch from uk soil and talk— the ability to launch from uk soil and talk about the vertical twe— soil and talk about the vertical twe et— soil and talk about the vertical nature of what— soil and talk about the vertical nature of what you're trying to we. — nature of what you're trying to we. heeewee— nature of what you're trying to do. t do. because previously there have been launches horizontal, i believe. i mean, i'm likening it to nasa because we just remember images of space launches obviously upwards is it going to be the same kind of scene, but obviously much more scaled down? de—man yes, on a uk scale as ewt— de—man yes, on a uk scale as th ewt— de—man yes, on a uk scale as ever. but but it— de—man yes, on a uk scale as ever. but but it is— de—man yes, on a uk scale as ever. but but it is it- de—man yes, on a uk scale as ever. but but it is it it's wehh— ever. but but it is it it's weeh e— ever. but but it is it it's worth a comparison because you teew.— worth a comparison because you teew. the— worth a comparison because you know, the capacity— worth a comparison because you know, the capacity there isn't tee-t— know, the capacity there isn't tee-t theee.— know, the capacity there isn't isn't there, for— know, the capacity there isn't isn't there, for the smaller teetet— isn't there, for the smaller rocket companies that are teweteetee— rocket companies that are developing now that want to teweeh— developing now that want to launch satellites. they need

ethet— launch satellites. they need ethet ettee— launch satellites. they need other sites to— launch satellites. they need other sites to go— launch satellites. they need other sites to go to . and you other sites to go to. and you teew.— other sites to go to. and you teew. whee— other sites to go to. and you know, nasa very— other sites to go to. and you know, nasa very much sort of eewemmeet— know, nasa very much sort of government backed the big eemeeteee— government backed the big companies, whereas , you know, companies, whereas, you know, eeetee— companies, whereas, you know, eeetee e— companies, whereas, you know, we're seeing a lot— companies, whereas, you know, we're seeing a lot more younger for we're seeing a lot more younger tee teettw— we're seeing a lot more younger for really energetic— we're seeing a lot more younger for really energetic sort of eemmtttee— for really energetic sort of committed young companies coming theeweh— committed young companies coming theeweh whe— committed young companies coming through who need— committed young companies coming through who need that ability on a through who need that ability on e emehee— through who need that ability on a smaller site.— through who need that ability on a smaller site. but— through who need that ability on a smaller site. but it will be weew— a smaller site. but it will be weew etmttw— a smaller site. but it will be very similar concrete launch pad . the— very similar concrete launch pad . the thet— very similar concrete launch pad . the first one— very similar concrete launch pad . the first one is— very similar concrete launch pad . the first one is already eemetete— . the first one is already complete and- . the first one is already complete and we got planning eetmteetee— complete and we got planning permission just— complete and we got planning permission just over 12 months eee.— permission just over 12 months we thet— permission just over 12 months ago. first launch— permission just over 12 months ago. first launch pad complete wtth— ago. first launch pad complete wtth e— ago. first launch pad complete with a structure,— ago. first launch pad complete with a structure, a— ago. first launch pad complete with a structure, a launch store hem— with a structure, a launch store hem e— with a structure, a launch store hem e tehew— with a structure, a launch store from a german rocket company, teetet— from a german rocket company, teetet teetetw— from a german rocket company, rocket factory augsburg with theh— rocket factory augsburg with their launch— rocket factory augsburg with their launch store now on the ehe. — their launch store now on the ehe. se — their launch store now on the site. so that's— their launch store now on the site. so that's a— their launch store now on the site. so that's a 12- their launch store now on the site. so that's a 12 metre high metet— site. so that's a 12 metre high metal structure— site. so that's a 12 metre high metal structure ready for a teetet— metal structure ready for a teetet te— metal structure ready for a rocket to be _ metal structure ready for a rocket to be placed on top . rocket to be placed on top. so we— rocket to be placed on top. so we wttt— rocket to be placed on top. so we wttt tt— rocket to be placed on top. so and will it be— rocket to be placed on top. so and will it be the— rocket to be placed on top. so and will it be the kind of thing that people can gather around and watch from a safe distance? emily yes, from a safe distance. hee— emily yes, from a safe distance. the we— emily yes, from a safe distance. the we wttt— emily yes, from a safe distance. and we will look— emily yes, from a safe distance. and we will look at that as wett.— and we will look at that as wett. hee— and we will look at that as well. and _where - and we will look at that as. well. and _where .can well. and that's where we can wee— well. and that's where we can work-community- well. and that's where we can work community to work with the community to eeehte— work with the community to enable—reaping. work with the community to . enable—reaping the enable not just us reaping the heeettte— enable not just us reaping the heeettte .— enable not just us reaping the benefits , but— enable not just us reaping the benefits , but local businesses benefits, but local businesses eee— benefits, but local businesses and-communities- benefits, but local businesses and communities with extra and local communities with extra wettete— and local communities with extra wettete eemtee— and local communities with extra visitors coming because shetland has visitors coming because shetland heelwhete— visitors coming because shetland haslwhole host— visitors coming because shetland haslwhole host of— visitors coming because shetland has whole host of reasons why has a whole host of reasons why you— has a whole host of reasons why wew wewte— has a whole host of reasons why wew wewtet weet— has a whole host of reasons why you would want to— has a whole host of reasons why you would want to visit. it's a

teeteette— you would want to visit. it's a fantastic place— you would want to visit. it's a fantastic place to— you would want to visit. it's a fantastic place to go, but this is fantastic place to go, but this te twet— fantastic place to go, but this te twet ee— fantastic place to go, but this is just an added— fantastic place to go, but this is just an added extra bit sort of is just an added extra bit sort et eeeetet— is just an added extra bit sort of special. yes. _ is just an added extra bit sort of special. yes. tell me, i mean, i'm assuming that kind of the space industry is grown thing. how much is it worth globally ? how much is it worth globally? how much is it worth to the uk? do you have those figures? so yes, i mean, the uk hee— figures? so yes, i mean, the uk hee e— figures? so yes, i mean, the uk has a national— figures? so yes, i mean, the uk has a national space— �*7 g. ”»i~et7’ so yes, i mean, the uk has a national space strategy eee— has a national space strategy we the— has a national space strategy and the global— has a national space strategy and the global space economy is exeeetee— and the global space economy is exeeeteet te— and the global space economy is expected to reach— and the global space economy is expected to reach sort of 490 httttee— expected to reach sort of 490 httttee by— expected to reach sort of 490 billion by 2030. _ expected to reach sort of 490 billion by 2030. motty blimey , billion by 2030. motty blimey, hee— billion by 2030. motty blimey, the the— billion by 2030. motty blimey, the the tt— billion by 2030. motty blimey, and the uk is— billion by 2030. motty blimey, and the uk is looking to target tow— and the uk is looking to target tow et— and the uk is looking to target tow et thet. — and the uk is looking to target 10% of that. so— and the uk is looking to target 10% of that. so at— and the uk is looking to target 10% of that. so at about 2021 thew— 10% of that. so at about 2021 thew ee— 10% of that. so at about 2021 thew et— 10% of that. so at about 2021 they are at about— 10% of that. so at about 2021 they are at about 71,000,050,000 tehe— they are at about 71,000,050,000 tehe te— they are at about 71,000,050,000 tehe te the— they are at about 71,000,050,000 tehe te the tt— they are at about 71,000,050,000 jobs in the uk already. so it is it jobs in the uk already. so it is tt teettw— jobs in the uk already. so it is tt teettw te— jobs in the uk already. so it is tt teettw te ee— jobs in the uk already. so it is it really is an exciting sort of eeeet— it really is an exciting sort of eeeet te— it really is an exciting sort of eeeet te he— it really is an exciting sort of sector to be in.— it really is an exciting sort of sector to be in. and do we have the— sector to be in. and do we have the eeeete— sector to be in. and do we have the eeeete te— sector to be in. and do we have the people to work— sector to be in. and do we have the people to work in the eeetett — the people to work in the eeetett t— the people to work in the sector? i only- the people to work in the sector? t sector? i only ask because there's concerns about the teaching of stem subjects in schools. we getting enough schools. are we getting enough women to women involved? it's lovely to see ceo, as a woman doing see you as ceo, as a woman doing this with scientific this with a scientific background. i presume, are young people coming through and is this the kind of thing they want to get into? it is. and we put a lot to get into? it is. and we put a tet et— to get into? it is. and we put a lot of emphasis— to get into? it is. and we put a lot of emphasis-to- gi. “.»i»7 . and we put a lot of emphasis to stem. it lot of emphasis on to stem. it is lot of emphasis on to stem. it

te-tmeeeeet— lot of emphasis on to stem. it is-important that- lot of emphasis on to stem. it is important that we is really important that we heee— is really important that we bring-pebble- is really important that we bring people into it. and bring young people into it. and i bring young people into it. and t-tt-e— bring young people into it. and t-tt-e-eeeee- i suppose it's the added attraction— i suppose it's the added attraction of— i suppose it's the added attraction of space and the exettemeet— attraction of space and the excitement that's going to be an whe— excitement that's going to be an eehe hew— excitement that's going to be an extra draw for— excitement that's going to be an extra draw for them. but we're wetttee— extra draw for them. but we're wetttee wtth— extra draw for them. but we're working with universities , working with universities, strathclyde _ working with universities, strathclyde and edinburgh and sewthemetee— strathclyde and edinburgh and southampton, so it's really tmeetteet— southampton, so it's really important that— southampton, so it's really important that we show them whet-e— important that we show them what's possible— important that we show them what's possible and what's out there— what's possible and what's out there tee— what's possible and what's out there for them— what's possible and what's out there for them . _ what's possible and what's out there for them . j »i g there for them. debbie strang, thank you very much for joining me good luck with everything thank you very much for joining me you're 3d luck with everything thank you very much for joining me you're doing( with everything thank you very much for joining me you're doing( vlspace.»rything that you're doing in space. thank exciting be thank you. it's exciting to be able to say that now, as you know, because i've just spoken to foster covering to her arlene foster is covering michael show . she's michael portillo's show. she's going next going to be up next at 11. i shall be back here next week at 930. n0 shall be back here next week at 930. no doubt digesting inflation in immigration figures, but please stay tuned for arlene .

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