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know the full details of what has happened, nor have i spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see firsthand- f i think you can see firsthand what i've been— you can see firsthand what i've been eehe— you can see firsthand what i've been doing over— you can see firsthand what i've been doing over the last day or so, been doing over the last day or huh— been doing over the last day or huh h— been doing over the last day or so, but i understand that she's expressed— so, but i understand that she's expressed regret— so, but i understand that she's expressed regret for speeding , expressed regret for speeding, accepted— expressed regret for speeding, accepted the — expressed regret for speeding, accepted the penalty and paid the fine— accepted the penalty and paid the fine . — accepted the penalty and paid the fine . oh— accepted the penalty and paid the fine . on the— accepted the penalty and paid the fine . o" �*" zee accepted the penalty and paid the fine . o" �*" 25m the fine. on the final day of the fine. on the final day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders have set out their plans to tackle aggression from china . the prime minister, rishi sunak , said beijing poses the sunak, said beijing poses the biggest challenge to global security , being the only country security, being the only country with both the means and the intent to reshape world order . intent to reshape world order. us president joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity within the g7 to work together to firstly recognise china as a threat, but also to reduce the risk to international security . we're not looking to security. we're not looking to decouple from china. we're looking to de—risk- decouple from china. we're looking to de—risk and- 22 we're looking to de—risk and diversify our relationship— looking to de—risk and diversify our relationship with china. the— our relationship with china. that means— our relationship with china. that means taking steps to diversify— that means taking steps to diversify our— that means taking steps to diversify our supply chains . and diversify our supply chains. and we're not so we're— diversify our supply chains. and we're not so we're not dependent

on any— we're not so we're not dependent on any eeuhhy— we're not so we're not dependent on any one country for necessary predece- — on any one country for necessary predece- h— on any one country for necessary products. it means— on any one country for necessary products. it means resisting economic coercion to gether and eeuhhehhe— economic coercion to gether and countering harmful practises thet— countering harmful practises that huh— countering harmful practises that hurt our— countering harmful practises that hurt our workers. it means preheehhe— that hurt our workers. it means protecting e— that hurt our workers. it means protecting a narrow set of advanced— protecting a narrow set of advanced technologies critical for advanced technologies critical her eu— advanced technologies critical for our national— advanced technologies critical for our national security . for our national security. the president— for our national security. the pheeheehh ef— for our national security. the president of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the summit , addressed world leaders at the summit, saying he's confident kiev's peace formula has the potential to prevent future wars . he's thanked western allies for their ongoing support, including receiving american made f—16 fighter jets and for the training of ukrainian pilots. vladimir zelenskyy has dismissed claims that russian mercenary wagner group have captured the eastern ukrainian city of bakhmut. when asked if the city had fallen, he said, i think not. but he did admit there's nothing left there . i there's nothing left there. i cannot share with you the heme— cannot share with you the tactical views— cannot share with you the tactical views of our military, of tactical views of our military, eh eu— tactical views of our military, of our warriors— tactical views of our military, of our warriors ._ tactical views of our military, of our warriors. but as of today,— of our warriors. but as of heeey, we— of our warriors. but as of heeey, we can— of our warriors. but as of today, we can see that the country— today, we can see that the country which _ today, we can see that the country which dozens times is higher— country which dozens times is

hhgger hheh— country which dozens times is hhgger he he— country which dozens times is bigger than we are, cannot eeeuhy— bigger than we are, cannot eeeuhy ee— bigger than we are, cannot occupy us, cannot win in this war. now, our people are accomplishing- war. now, our people are accomplishing a very important hheeheh— accomplishing a very important .— accomplishing a very important . they— accomplishing a very important mission . they are— accomplishing a very important mission . they are now in bakhmut mission. they are now in bakhmut . i mission. they are now in bakhmut . h hm— mission. they are now in bakhmut . h with he— mission. they are now in bakhmut . i will not share— mission. they are now in bakhmut . i will not share where exactly , huh— . i will not share where exactly , huh h— . i will not share where exactly , but it witnesses— . i will not share where exactly , but it witnesses that bakhmut is , but it witnesses that bakhmut he heh— , but it witnesses that bakhmut is not occupied— , but it witnesses that bakhmut is not occupied by— , but it witnesses that bakhmut is not occupied by russian federation. _ is not occupied by russian federation. as— is not occupied by russian federation. as of today , there federation. as of today, there are federation. as of today, there he 2— federation. as of today, there he z or e— federation. as of today, there are no 2 or 3 interpretation of hheee— are no 2 or 3 interpretation of hheee herde— are no 2 or 3 interpretation of hheee wehh .— are no 2 or 3 interpretation of those words . in— are no 2 or 3 interpretation of those words . in other news, the those words. in other news, the ehhehhehh— those words. in other news, the environment secretary says eehhhhg— environment secretary says eehhhhg hu— environment secretary says scrapping eu laws would boost the scrapping eu laws would boost hhe uh-e— scrapping eu laws would boost the uk's domestic wine industry by hee— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. _ the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. as a number of brussels regulations that were retained after brexit will be dropped as part of the retained eu law bill, including some that impacted the wine sector . impacted the wine sector. therese coffey says it will reduce unnecessary red tape, allowing the industry to thrive for about 400 pages of regulation. handling wine is heeehhe— regulation. handling wine is heeehhe e— regulation. handling wine is becoming a thriving- 3 handling wine is becoming a thriving industry in this becoming a thriving industry in hhheeeuhhh. — becoming a thriving industry in this country. 9 becoming a thriving industry in this country. 3 g this country. english sparkling wine, particularly . indeed, and wine, particularly. indeed, and one of wine, particularly. indeed, and of he— wine, particularly. indeed, and one of the things— wine, particularly. indeed, and one of the things that- 2 indeed, and one of the things that we're hehe— one of the things that we're hehe he— one of the things that we're doing is simplifying all of he,— doing is simplifying all of hheh, gehhhg— doing is simplifying all of that, getting rid of some of the unnecessary bureaucracy, which

we-eeuhh— unnecessary bureaucracy, which we-eeuhh eave- unnecessary bureaucracy, which we-could save up- unnecessary bureaucracy, which we could save up to we believe could save up to hose— we believe could save up to £0.50-bottle- we believe could save up to £0.50-bottle of- we believe could save up to £0.50 bottle of fizz . so £0.50 off a bottle of fizz. so hheh-e— £0.50 off a bottle of fizz. so hheh-e heed— £0.50 off a bottle of fizz. so that's good news— £0.50 off a bottle of fizz. so that's good news for consumers . that's good news for consumers. huh— that's good news for consumers. huh hh-e— that's good news for consumers. huh he a— that's good news for consumers. huh he a heh— that's good news for consumers. but it's a lot of— that's good news for consumers. but it's a lot of this is really eheuh— but it's a lot of this is really about deregulating and making hheh— about deregulating and making hheh we— about deregulating and making sure that we have good sure that we still have good uuuhhhu— sure that we still have good quality products— sure that we still have good quality products people quality products that people can enjoy— quality products that people can ehheu-eeuhhh— quality products that people can ehheu-eeuhhh. - quality products that people can enjoy country. /:::. ”hi: quality products that people can enjoy country . /2. ”2; c. enjoy in this country. you're up to enjoy in this country. you're up he uhhe— enjoy in this country. you're up he he on— enjoy in this country. you're up to date on gb news now it's back to date on gb news now it's back to nana . to nana. hello. good afternoon he nana.— hello. good afternoon and welcome. this— hello. good afternoon and welcome. this is- hello. good afternoon and welcome. this is gb- good afternoon and welcome. " c15 \ hello. good afternoon and- welcome. this is gb news on tv, onune welcome. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua and it's fast approaching. six minutes after 3:00. now we before we get stuck into our debates in the next houn into our debates in the next hour, we're going to go head to headin hour, we're going to go head to head in a clash of minds. so let me introduce to my panel. me introduce you to my panel. joining today is andrew joining me today is andrew williams. political williams. he's a political commentator martin williams. he's a political commentuhe's martin williams. he's a political commentuhe's former martin williams. he's a political commentuhe's former brexit n daubney. he's former brexit party mep. so here's what else is coming up today. we'll be talking about net migration. it's predicted to reach 1 million, with figures expected to be released by the ons this

week. but what if what what is the government doing to reduce the government doing to reduce the prime minister the numbers? prime minister rishi claimed that he rishi sunak has claimed that he can the next general can win the next general election despite a thrashing in the elections . but the recent local elections. but do think he can turn do you think he can turn it around will keir starmer around or will keir starmer steal to number steal the keys to number 10? then course , as you know, the then of course, as you know, the g7 been going on, it's on g7 has been going on, it's on going arrival of going and the arrival of zelenskyy week leaders zelenskyy this week with leaders pledging more weapons to pledging to send more weapons to kyiv to help with the war effort against but what does against russia. but what does britain gain by being a member of club ? then we'll be of that club? then we'll be discussing this one, which is very close to my heart. a theatre that's urged white people not to attend a play, arguing that its audience should be from the white gaze. is be free from the white gaze. is that right ? and then of course, that right? and then of course, phillip schofield is dramatic departure from this morning . and departure from this morning. and i'll asking, do you think i'll be asking, do you think that should also that holly should also be joining him? that's coming up in the next hour. as ever, tell me what think everything what you think on everything we're email we're discussing. email gb views, or tweet me at views, gbnews.uk. or tweet me at

. gb news. so remember, you can also get in touch with us in all the regular ways. but if you just join me, welcome on board. we'll start our head to head with this one. a political bust up brewing the level of up is brewing over the level of immigration in the as immigration in the uk as the government prepares for the publication annual publication of the annual net migration the office migration figures by the office of statistics. it's of national statistics. it's now. last data showed now. last year's data showed inward more than inward migration of more than half a million people, and this year anticipated the year it's anticipated the figures even higher figures could be even higher somewhere in the region of 600,000 to 1 million. and rishi sunak says that is way too high. he's pledged to bring it down, but he's been pretty vague about exactly how much would reduce exactly how much he would reduce it get started. it by. so let's get started. welcome my panel, welcome again to my panel, andrew he's andrew williams. he's a political commentator and martin daubney, i'm going to start with you, martin. net migration. yeah so the figures that are due out are ostensibly— so the figures that are due out are ostensibly -to- so the figures that are due out are ostensibly to be a are ostensibly going to be a huheh— are ostensibly going to be a huheh eh— are ostensibly going to be a number of people the size of a heede— number of people the size of a heeee hhe— number of people the size of a leeds and e— number of people the size of a leeds and a nottingham combined every— leeds and a nottingham combined every year. — leeds and a nottingham combined everv veer. hh— leeds and a nottingham combined every year. it's been— every year. it's been a cataclysm , a failure of the cataclysm, a failure of the promise to control our borders .

promise to control our borders. every single government since zero— every single government since zero hee— every single government since 2010 has said— every single government since 2010 has said the— every single government since 2010 has said the same old rheherhe— 2010 has said the same old rheherhe .— 2010 has said the same old rhetoric . we— 2010 has said the same old rhetoric . we will control rhetoric. we will control hurherh— rhetoric. we will control numbers ostensibly and totally and uhherhv— numbers ostensibly and totally and utterly failed and i think he— and utterly failed and i think he vhhh— and utterly failed and i think this will sink— and utterly failed and i think this will sink sunak deservedly so. this will sink sunak deservedly he— this will sink sunak deservedly he hehhe— this will sink sunak deservedly so. he talks tough, but really he hhehee— so. he talks tough, but really he blames the _ so. he talks tough, but really he blames the blob kyiv. he hhehee— he blames the blob kyiv. he blames civil— he blames the blob kyiv. he blames civil servants . he blames blames civil servants. he blames evervhehv— blames civil servants. he blames evervheev. hee— blames civil servants. he blames everybody. he's the— blames civil servants. he blames everybody. he's the prime rrhhher.— everybody. he's the prime minister. he— everybody. he's the prime minister. he should be in eehhreh— minister. he should be in eehhreh eh— minister. he should be in control at the— minister. he should be in control at the rudder. however for control at the rudder. however her nehe— control at the rudder. however her uehe. r— control at the rudder. however for nana, i think— control at the rudder. however for nana, i think things are going— for nana, i think things are gehg he— for nana, i think things are gehg he geh— for nana, i think things are going to get worse if starmer eehe— going to get worse if starmer eehe h.— going to get worse if starmer gehe h. here— going to get worse if starmer gets in. here's a— going to get worse if starmer gets in. here's a guy , his home gets in. here's a guy, his home seereherv.— gets in. here's a guy, his home secretary, yvette _ gets in. here's a guy, his home secretary, yvette cooper , holds secretary, yvette cooper, holds up a— secretary, yvette cooper, holds up e hhhhe— secretary, yvette cooper, holds up e hhhhhe ugh— secretary, yvette cooper, holds up a little sign saying refugees welcome. what— up a little sign saying refugees welcome. what does that say to the welcome. what does that say to hhe verhee— welcome. what does that say to hhe verhee rh— welcome. what does that say to the world? it says,— welcome. what does that say to the world? it says, come to hrhheh— the world? it says, come to hrhheh .— the world? it says, come to hrhheh . rue— the world? it says, come to britain . we will— the world? it says, come to britain . we will give you britain. we will give you a hehher— britain. we will give you a better life.— britain. we will give you a better life. it's— britain. we will give you a better life. it's not british huvhuvere— better life. it's not british taxpayers responsibility to fund the lifestyles— taxpayers responsibility to fund the lifestyles of— taxpayers responsibility to fund the lifestyles of anybody in the vehe— the lifestyles of anybody in the verhe hhe— the lifestyles of anybody in the world who wants— the lifestyles of anybody in the world who wants to come to our eereeh— world who wants to come to our eereeh rhh— world who wants to come to our shores. this is— world who wants to come to our shores. this is a— world who wants to come to our shores. this is a terrible blow to shores. this is a terrible blow he hhe— shores. this is a terrible blow to the conservative's legacy. it reehv— to the conservative's legacy. it really deserves— to the conservative's legacy. it really deserves to,— to the conservative's legacy. it really deserves to, i think, eeehrhehe— really deserves to, i think, decimate them.- really deserves to, i think, decimate them. along with that . decimate them. along with that. hhe— decimate them. along with that. and heh— decimate them. along with that. and heh ee— decimate them. along with that. and net zero, they— decimate them. along with that. and net zero, they really need

to and net zero, they really need he have— and net zero, they really need he have e— and net zero, they really need to have a forest— and net zero, they really need to have a forest fire and start his— to have a forest fire and start hhhe herhv— to have a forest fire and start hhhe herhv again— to have a forest fire and start this party again because ehhervhe— this party again because otherwise they're sunk . otherwise they're sunk. take the eye otherwise they're sunk. take the eve euh— otherwise they're sunk. take the eve euh er— otherwise they're sunk. take the eye out of sunak. that's what you get. what do you think, andrew well. martin, it's a blow to andrew well. martin, it's a blow he hhe— andrew well. martin, it's a blow he hhe rerhee— andrew well. martin, it's a blow to the tories legacy,— ' 2 mug“ martin, it's a blow to the tories legacy, actually. rhehr— to the tories legacy, actually. rhehr legacy— to the tories legacy, actually. rhehr legacy eh— to the tories legacy, actually. their legacy on migration.- their legacy on migration. i mean, they've never been able to get migration under control ever since they came into government in 2010. they've promising in 2010. they've been promising to get net migration down to the tens thousands. that's what tens of thousands. that's what theresa may was when she theresa may was saying when she was were was home secretary. we were talking about a decade ago now. so they've whoever is in so they've proven whoever is in the so they've proven whoever is in hhe heh— so they've proven whoever is in hhe heh eeeh— so they've proven whoever is in the hot seat in— so they've proven whoever is in the hot seat in the— so they've proven whoever is in the hot seat in the home office heheev— the hot seat in the home office heheev h— the hot seat in the home office heheev he being— the hot seat in the home office nobody is being effective at hehhe— nobody is being effective at gehhhg heh— nobody is being effective at getting net migration down. but i getting net migration down. but rveuhu— getting net migration down. but rveuhu sav— getting net migration down. but rveuhu eev ere— getting net migration down. but i would say one thing- getting net migration down. but i would say one thing is- getting net migration down. but i would say one thing is that there are 1.3 million job vacancies in this country at the moment. it's the highest ever on record. and who is filling those jobs? well actually, i don't think it's a bad thing. jobs? well actually, i don't think it's a bad thing . maybe if think it's a bad thing. maybe if we a decent number we have a decent number of people coming into this country every fill some of those every year to fill some of those jobs. okay. will say to jobs. okay. so i will say to he.— jobs. okay. so i will say to hheh. ee— jobs. okay. so i will say to that. so since— okay. so i will say to that. so since 2019, when boris hhe— that. so since 2019, when boris hhe-rerhee— that. so since 2019, when boris and tories promised to and the tories promised to reeuee— and the tories promised to reduce immigration, we've seen a

heh— reduce immigration, we've seen a me. rhereeee— reduce immigration, we've seen a 250% increase. so— reduce immigration, we've seen a 250% increase. so why aren't hheee— 250% increase. so why aren't hheee heehhe— 250% increase. so why aren't those people filling these jobs ? i those people filling these jobs e r hehh— those people filling these jobs e r heu— those people filling these jobs ? i mean, how many people do we need— ? i mean, how many people do we need he— ? i mean, how many people do we need he hhherh— ? i mean, how many people do we need to import before people eherh— need to import before people ehurh hehhe— need to import before people start picking fruit ? �*vvh2cc start picking fruit? well, look, it's start picking fruit? well, look, hh-e e— start picking fruit? well, look, hh-e e hhe— start picking fruit? well, look, hh-e e he he— start picking fruit? well, look, it's a it's a complex issue, isn't it? there's a combination of a massive number of of there is a massive number of people long term sick. people on long term sick. i think it's the highest number again on record. so it's a complicated issue, but i don't think in itself personally, it's a bad thing to have high numbers of net migration. i think you can agree because i don't think migration is a bad thing for society. i think diversity and multiculturalism is a positive thing. i think our great british cities are all diverse and have people from all over the world who've come here to live their lives, build their lives, even though they've pointed out that a lot of the people who are make this big number are students. and although and the fact that although hhhhehv— and the fact that although initially -they. and the fact that although initially they pay and the fact that although- initially -they pay for initially obviously they pay for her— initially obviously they pay for their courses— initially obviously they pay for their courses at— initially obviously they pay for their courses at the end of the day,— their courses at the end of the davv e— their courses at the end of the davv e heh— their courses at the end of the hey. u heh er— their courses at the end of the day, a lot of them— their courses at the end of the day, a lot of them are taking verv— day, a lot of them are taking verv rev— day, a lot of them are taking verv rev-rehe- day, a lot of them are taking very low jobs, low skilled very low paid jobs, low skilled rehe— very low paid jobs, low skilled iehe-eeeeh-h— very low paid jobs, low skilled jobs, doesn't really very low paid jobs, low skilled jobs, the doesn't really very low paid jobs, low skilled jobs, the economy sally very low paid jobs, low skilled jobs, the economy that benefit the economy that much. heh. — benefit the economy that much. heh. lheeh — benefit the economy that much. vueh.|heehlveu— benefit the economy that much. well, i mean, lyou -to - benefit the economy that much. well, i mean, lyou -to seel well, i mean, if you want to see our sector fall over well, i mean, if you want to see our some sector fall over

well, i mean, if you want to see our some people tor fall over well, i mean, if you want to see our some people might, over well, i mean, if you want to see our some people might, but' well, i mean, if you want to see our some people might, but if and some people might, but if you want to see higher education fall you put fall over, you can you can put an end to student visas from international students because that's stay that's pretty much how they stay afloat but is afloat financially. yeah, but is it afloat financially. yeah, but is hh hrhhheh— afloat financially. yeah, but is it british taxpayers— afloat financially. yeah, but is it british taxpayers ? - it british taxpayers? responsibility - it british taxpayers? responsibility is- it british taxpayers? responsibility is to care about the business model of universities. it's not. now, tony blair opened the floodgates in the 90s. you know, things going to get better, he said what a complete that was. what a complete lie that was. you he opened to you know, he opened the door to the and we saw a huge the g8 and we saw a huge floodgate open. blair laid the foundation stones for brexit because the working classes who saw their wages suppressed , saw saw their wages suppressed, saw their communities change. people come into britain and become university lecturers or radio pundits. they become plasterers and decorators and it suppresses the wages of the working classes . the fundamental problem at the fundamental problem at the . the fundamental problem at the heerh— . the fundamental problem at the heerh er— . the fundamental problem at the heerh er hhe— . the fundamental problem at the heart of the brexit— the fundamental problem at the heart of the brexit argument on the heart of the brexit argument on hhe hrevhh— heart of the brexit argument on the brexit side— heart of the brexit argument on the brexit side was that brexit veuhe— the brexit side was that brexit would necessarily drive down net hherehheh— would necessarily drive down net hhgruhheh hhe— would necessarily drive down net migration and it— would necessarily drive down net migration and it hasn't. "car migration and it hasn't. they hhee— migration and it hasn't. they reheu eh— migration and it hasn't. they failed on that— migration and it hasn't. they failed on that ._ migration and it hasn't. they failed on that . yeah, they've failed on that. yeah, they've absolutely failed on that. is that a failure of is that a rehure— that a failure of is that a rehure er— that a failure of is that a failure of the— that a failure of is that a

failure of the conservative geverhhehh— failure of the conservative government or— failure of the conservative government or was the argument hheeh—hreh— government or was the argument itself—first place?. government or was the argument itself—first place? i itself wrong in the first place? hhe— itself wrong in the first place? hhe-er— itself wrong in the first place? hhe-er hhe— itself wrong in the first place? the -of the conservativel the failure of the conservative government, because they could have better? have managed this better? they've badly. they've managed it very badly. they've managed it very badly. they they'd they had a choice of who they'd let created let in. they could have created a more points based system, which the one that got the which was the one that got the most when people said, most votes. when people said, how it to? how how would you like it to? how would work? we would you like it to work? we wanted to australia, wanted one similar to australia, something wanted one similar to australia, sometithey didn't do that. failed. they didn't do that. they they literally took they just they literally took mostly students. could mostly students. they could have done they done it. they could have they could it in a way. we could have done it in a way. we want more nurses. we want more this, more that. they this, we want more of that. they didn't so it's a failure. didn't do it. so it's a failure. brexit actually the brexit has actually brought the wages look at wages up. so if you look at lorry if you look at lorry drivers, if you look at that, we were taking in lots of lorry from other lorry drivers from other countries lorry drivers lorry drivers from other couvery,r lorry drivers lorry drivers from other cou very, very lorry drivers lorry drivers from other couvery, very happyhrry drivers lorry drivers from other cou very, very happy withirivers lorry drivers from other couversoery happy withirivers lorry drivers from other couverso my happy withirivers lorry drivers from other couverso my challengeiirivers lorry drivers from other couverso my challenge to vers lorry drivers from other couverso my challenge to rishi brexit. so my challenge to rishi sunak would be he's put suella braverman home office braverman in the home office because the because he thinks she is the most best to most hardline and best placed to get done and to drive get this job done and to drive now overnight. now doesn't happen overnight. she's office very she's not been in office very hehh— she's not been in office very hhe-heh— she's not been in office very long,-not seeing- she's not been in office very long, not seeing any long, but i'm not seeing any ehehe— long, but i'm not seeing any ehehe-ehe-e— long, but i'm not seeing any signs she's making any signs that she's making any heehhgruh— signs that she's making any meaningful difference. she seems signs that she's making any mibeingful difference. she seems signs that she's making any mibeingful diffrat nce. she seems signs that she's making any mibeingful diffrat the she seems signs that she's making any mibe ingful diffr at the natconams to be over here at the natcon conference talking a load of nonsense going— conference talking a load of nonsense going off piece . and

nonsense going off piece. and why— nonsense going off piece. and vhv he— nonsense going off piece. and vhv he ehe— nonsense going off piece. and why he ehe heh— nonsense going off piece. and why is she not actually in the heme— why is she not actually in the heme orhee— why is she not actually in the home office doing something eheuh— home office doing something eheuh hhe— home office doing something eheuh hhe r— home office doing something about it? i haven't seen a ehghe— about it? i haven't seen a single person— about it? i haven't seen a single person on plane to single person on a plane to rwanda— single person on a plane to hvehee—he- single person on a plane toi rwanda—is seems single person on a plane to rwanda—is seems be rwanda yet, which is seems to be her-hehhev. — rwanda yet, which is seems to be her-hehhev. -andl her flagship policy. okay. and here— her flagship policy. okay. and that's because— her flagship policy. okay. and that's because the— her flagship policy. okay. and that's because the entire sort of service and the legal of civil service and the legal system is against government policy, will of the policy, against the will of the people. want control people. people want to control our borders. it's been voted for time and time and time again. and we're seeing a reality , a and we're seeing a reality, a resistance to actually enforce the will of the people, the civil servants fault. it's not. it's i'll blame i would blame the prime minister, i'll blame the prime minister, i'll blame the conservative government . the conservative government. absolutely. and they can blame the blob all they like. the fact of matter they're in of the matter is they're in control. they're to be in control. they're meant to be in charge and they're absolutely not. well, mean , if you agree not. well, i mean, if you agree vhhh— not. well, i mean, if you agree vhhh hhe— not. well, i mean, if you agree with the stated— well, i mean, if you agree with the stated objective to drive— with the stated objective to drive-migration- drive net migration down, hhev-re— drive net migration down,- hhev-re—ehveve they're failing. they've always hhee— they're failing. they've always failed-never, - failed. they've never, ever, ever-hreereeel failed. they've never, ever,| ever-progress on failed. they've never, ever,- ever-progress on this. ever made any progress on this. in ever made any progress on this. hlveere. — ever made any progress on this. hlveere. vhh— ever made any progress on this. in years. will things get in 13 years. will things get hehher— in 13 years. will things get better-labour?- in 13 years. will things get better-labour? it better under labour? well, it eehehee— better under labour? well, it depends what— better under labour? well, it depends what better. so better under labour? well, it ddon'tis what better. so better under labour? well, it ddon't agreet better. so better under labour? well, it ddon't agree with better. so better under labour? well, it ddon't agree with the better. so better under labour? well, it ddon't agree with the premise so better under labour? well, it ddon't agree with the premise ,o i don't agree with the premise, vhheh— i don't agree with the premise, vhheh-eeh-h— i don't agree with the premise, which-don't agree- i don't agree with the premise, which don't agree with the which is i don't agree with the hrehhee— premise that we need to drive heh— premise that we need to drive heh hherehheh— premise that we need to drive net migration-if. premise that we need to drive net migration if you net migration down. but if you did net migration down. but if you he agree— net migration down. but if you did agree with— net migration down. but if you did agree with the premise, no, heheur— did agree with the premise, no, heheur ere— did agree with the premise, no, labour are not— did agree with the premise, no, labour are not going to. so veure— labour are not going to. so you're net you're saying that suddenly net hherehheh— you're saying that suddenly net migration increase under

migration will increase under heheure— migration will increase under labour?-don't- migration will increase under labour? don't think it labour? no, i don't think it uh— labour? no, i don't think it vhh—hh- labour? no, i don't think iti will—it will. will actually. i think it will. i will actually. i think it will. r heh-h— will actually. i think it will. r heh-h-hh— will actually. i think it will. i don't-it will.- will actually. i think it will. i don't it will. think will actually. i think it will. i 1will it will. think will actually. i think it will. i 1will roughly will. think will actually. i think it will. i 1will roughly stay. think will actually. i think it will. i 1will roughly stay theiink will actually. i think it will. i 1will roughly stay the same. it will roughly stay the same. why— it will roughly stay the same. vuhv ee— it will roughly stay the same. vvhv he veu— it will roughly stay the same. why do you think— it will roughly stay the same. why do you think that- it will roughly stay the same. why do you think that you don't agree of agree with the premise of bringing actually, the bringing that? actually, by the way, would you why you bringing that? actually, by the way, do would you why you bringing that? actually, by the way, do you>uld you why you bringing that? actually, by the way, do you not you why you bringing that? actually, by the way, do you not agree'hy you bringing that? actually, by the way, do you not agree with you bringing that? actually, by the way, do you not agree with the you why do you not agree with the premise of bringing net migration mean, the migration down? i mean, the numbers it's huge numbers are huge. it's a huge number, i don't number, but i think it's i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. ithink think it's necessarily a bad thing. i think it has to be eeuhhee— thing. i think it has to be coupled with— g i think it has to be coupled with investing in infrastructure _ coupled with investing in infrastructure investing infrastructure, for investing in reeee— infrastructure, for investing in reeee ehe— infrastructure, for investing in roads and hospitals and all of hheee— roads and hospitals and all of hheee hhhge— roads and hospitals and all of those things because i agree hheh— those things because i agree hheh e— those things because i agree hheh e ehhv— those things because i agree that a city the— those things because i agree that a city the size of leeds ehe— that a city the size of leeds and e— that a city the size of leeds and e ehhv— that a city the size of leeds and a city the— that a city the size of leeds and a city the size of nottingham,- and a city the size of nottingham, nottingham every year:— nottingham, nottingham every veerhheh-e— nottingham, nottingham every year, that's that's a lot of heehhe— year, that's that's a lot of people-requires. people and it requires infrastructure yeah. if infrastructure. yeah. but if you huhe— infrastructure. yeah. but if you build infrastructure we can build that infrastructure we can eehe— build that infrastructure we can eehe ehe— build that infrastructure we can eehe uhe hv— build that infrastructure we can eehe uhe hv hhe— build that infrastructure we can cope and by the way and, and if hheh— cope and by the way and, and if hheh he— cope and by the way and, and if hheh he veur— cope and by the way and, and if that is your solution, who pays for that is your solution, who pays her-hhe— that is your solution, who pays her-hhe pays— that is your solution, who pays for-who pays for- that is your solution, who pays for-who pays for the- that is your solution, who pays. for-who pays for the houses, for it. who pays for the houses, for it. who pays for the houses, for the schools , for the for the schools, for the hospitals, for the dentists , for hospitals, for the dentists, for the doctors. i'll tell you who the doctors. i'll tell you who the bloomin taxpayer, the taxpayer is footing the bill for this doors policy. people this open doors policy. people don't over and over don't want it over and over again nevertheless, have again. but nevertheless, we have absolute at the absolute incompetence at the top. well, okay, but martin, who veuhe— top. well, okay, but martin, who veuhe veu— top. well, okay, but martin, who veuhe veu eav— top. well, okay, but martin, who would you say that— well, okay, but martin, who would you say that should do the

job would you say that should do the heh—hehh— would you say that should do the heh—veh-h hee- would you say that should do the job _won't do? then?| would you say that should do the job would won't do? then? would you say that should do the job would you won't do? then? would you say that should do the job would you incentivisethen? would you say that should do the job would you incentivise them how would you incentivise them ehhervheee— how would you incentivise them ehhervheee-he— how would you incentivise them otherwise?-is what- how would you incentivise them otherwise? is what is the otherwise? what is what is the ehherhehhvee— otherwise? what is what is the alternative? _ otherwise? what is what is the alternative? i'd— otherwise? what is what is the alternative? 2 c 92. alternative? i'd like to get a fire hose out and get the lot of them i really would. them out. i really would. i think we're at the think we're i think we're at the stage were with brexit, stage that we were with brexit, with european union. they're with the european union. they're incompetent care. incompetent. they don't care. they listen to the people. they don't listen to the people. they don't listen to the people. the system is rotten to the entire system is rotten to the core. i really believe that, nanai the core. i really believe that, nana i really do. but but in terms of. okay, so with regard to terms of. okay, so with regard he heh— terms of. okay, so with regard to net migration,— okay, so with regard to net migration, they could hehehhhuhv— potentially help with some of the potentially help with some of hhe-hhe— potentially help with some of the -this country. - potentially help with some of the this country. who the jobs in this country. who veuhe— the jobs in this country. who veuhe veu— the jobs in this country. who veuhe veu sav— the jobs in this country. who would you say then? what what eheuhe— would you say then? what what eheuhe ve— would you say then? what what should we.about_ would you say then? what what should we about people should we do about the people hhe— should we do about the people hhe-he— should we do about the people. who-be-languishing who appear to be not languishing on benefits, but there are many heehhe— people who aren't working? what do people who aren't working? what hhe-ee— people who aren't working? what eeiee-hheh— people who aren't working? what do.do-that then? - people who aren't working? what do.do-that then? i. do we do about that then? i veuhe— do we do about that then? i veuhu hhe— do we do about that then? i would like to— do we do about that then? i would like to see— do we do about that then? i would like to see a- do we do about that then? i would like to see a solution. for example, shortages of for example, to shortages of labour things like like labour in things like like farming rather than importing cheap foreign living cheap foreign labour, living a caravan on minimum wages instead devise and actually employ people on better wages , a decent people on better wages, a decent wage for working class people used to be a core directive of the left . now all they do is the left. now all they do is import cheap labour and sod the brits. well, import cheap labour and sod the brits . well, i import cheap labour and sod the brits. well, i think it's a

combination— brits. well, i think it's a combination of- well, i think it's a combination of solutions. hheehuhehv.— combination of solutions. absolutely. we need to create high— absolutely. we need to create heh heh— absolutely. we need to create heh heh rehe— absolutely. we need to create high paid jobs for all types of heehhe— high paid jobs for all types of heehhe uhe— high paid jobs for all types of heehhe and r— high paid jobs for all types of people and i think that's about hveehhe— people and i think that's about hveehhg h— people and i think that's about investing in technology and new heuehrhee— investing in technology and new industries and— investing in technology and new industries and it's— investing in technology and new industries and it's a whole heuehv— industries and it's a whole industy strategy which frankly, the conservative _ industy strategy which frankly, the conservative party does not have— the conservative party does not have ee— the conservative party does not have eh— the conservative party does not have one at all,— the conservative party does not have one at all, whether or not heheur— have one at all, whether or not heheur hee— have one at all, whether or not labour has an— have one at all, whether or not labour has an industrial ehreheev— labour has an industrial strategy remains to be seen. but hhhe— strategy remains to be seen. but hhhe ve— strategy remains to be seen. but one thing we can— strategy remains to be seen. but one thing we can definitely agree— one thing we can definitely agree eh— one thing we can definitely agree eh he— one thing we can definitely agree on is that— one thing we can definitely agree on is that this government is agree on is that this government he-eehverhe— agree on is that this government is-delivering on— agree on is that this government is delivering on any school is not delivering on any school by is not delivering on any school hv heheve— is not delivering on any school by anyone's standards, on really any hehev— by anyone's standards, on really any hehev — by anyone's standards, on really any policy areas. i253; any policy areas. the real danger to me is that we're sleepwalking into people understandably wanting change after 13 years of, you know , the after 13 years of, you know, the same thing , but a failure. i it same thing, but a failure. i it has been a failure. but i think that the labour party will make things much , much worse. i things much, much worse. i really do . mhm. well i've got really do. mhm. well i've got a rheeeeee— really do. mhm. well i've got a rheeeuge here— really do. mhm. well i've got a message here for— ”cellar 2r2r mhm. well i've got a message here for totally agree vhhh— message here for totally agree vhhh hehh— message here for totally agree with martin says— message here for totally agree with martin says gillian. what he— with martin says gillian. what sense he talks— with martin says gillian. what sense he talks and you nana . i sense he talks and you nana. i he— sense he talks and you nana. i heh heh— sense he talks and you nana. i feel left out. _ sense he talks and you nana. i feel left out. i'm— sense he talks and you nana. i feel left out. i'm sorry. it's heh— feel left out. i'm sorry. it's heh ee— feel left out. i'm sorry. it's heh rer— feel left out. i'm sorry. it's not one for you _ feel left out. i'm sorry. it's not one for you know . come feel left out. i'm sorry. it's not one for you know. come in hhrhe. — not one for you know. come in hhrhe. eh— not one for you know. come in hhrhe. eh hehe— not one for you know. come in

time. oh hang on.— not one for you know. come in time. oh hang on. this was as high— time. oh hang on. this was as hhgh hehe.— time. oh hang on. this was as high nana. how— time. oh hang on. this was as high nana. how come they were ehhe— high nana. how come they were ehhe he— high nana. how come they were ehhe he eheh— high nana. how come they were able to stop all— high nana. how come they were able to stop all the german hherehheh— able to stop all the german migration across— able to stop all the german migration across the channel huhe— migration across the channeli eurhe—ve during world war ii? can't we iueh— during world war ii? can't we iueh uee— during world war ii? can't we iueh vehe— during world war ii? can't we just use woke tactics? and i heh-h— just use woke tactics? and i don't identify.— just use woke tactics? and i don't identify. i— just use woke tactics? and i don't identify. i know this is. r-rh — don't identify. i know this is. r-rh hehe— don't identify. i know this is. r-rh hehe he— don't identify. i know this is. i'm going to stop there. i'll get— i'm going to stop there. i'll geh rhveeh— i'm going to stop there. i'll geh rhveeh .— i'm going to stop there. i'll get myself . i'll— i'm going to stop there. i'll get myself . i'll end up in the get myself. i'll end up in the euhheu— get myself. i'll end up in the euhher. r— get myself. i'll end up in the gutter. i think— get myself. i'll end up in the gutter. i think i— get myself. i'll end up in the gutter. i think i won't be doing hheh— gutter. i think i won't be doing hheh ehe— gutter. i think i won't be doing hheh huh— gutter. i think i won't be doing that one. but thank you very much— that one. but thank you very much rer— that one. but thank you very much for that. _ that one. but thank you very much for that. s— that one. but thank you very much for that. s shane indeed. hhe.— much for that. s shane indeed. hhe-huhee. — much for that. s shane indeed. mike, tuned. you're with much for that. s shane indeed. mikel'm tuned. you're with much for that. s shane indeed. mikel'm tunakua.u're with much for that. s shane indeed. mikel'm tunakua.u're iis h much for that. s shane indeed. mikel'm tunakua.u're iis gb me. i'm nana akua. this is gb hehe— me. i'm nana akua. this is gb hehe-ehhhe— me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news-online and- me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news online and on digital news on tv online and on digital rehe— news on tv online and on digital hehe—hear— news on tv online and on digital hhe—hear veur- radio. i'd love to hear your hheuehhe— radio. i'd love to hear your hheuehhe-hv- radio. i'd love to hear your thoughts-by the. radio. i'd love to hear your. thoughts-by the way, radio. i'd love to hear your. thotcans-by the way, radio. i'd love to hear your thotcan get by the way, radio. i'd love to hear your thotcan get in by the way, radio. i'd love to hear your thotcan get in touch. the way, you can get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.uk want to vaiews@gbnews.uk or want to hveeh— vaiews@gbnews.uk or want to hveeh-eh— vaiews@gbnews.uk or want to hveeh-eh eh— vaiews@gbnews.uk or want to tweet at gb news. after the tweet me at gb news. after the hreeh— tweet me at gb news. after the hreeh rh— tweet me at gb news. after the hreeh r-h he— tweet me at gb news. after the break, i'll be-my- tweet me at gb news. after the break, i'll be my guests break, i'll be asking my guests vheh— break, i'll be asking my guests vheh hhev— break, i'll be asking my guests what they make— break, i'll be asking my guests what they make of rishi sunak comments claiming that he can vh— comments claiming that he can vh-eheehheh- comments claiming that he can win-election .- comments claiming that he can win -election . on - comments claiming that he can win election . on more win the next election. on more on win the next election. on more eh hheh— win the next election. on more eh hheh h— win the next election. on more eh hheh hh iueh— win the next election. on more on that in just a—

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saying. kimberly says totally agree-hehh. - saying. kimberly says totally agree martin. more truth agree with martin. more truth ehe— agree with martin. more truth ehe-hhe— agree with martin. more truth ehe-hhe heh- agree with martin. more truth and-time not to- agree with martin. more truth and time not to vote for and sense time not to vote for hhe— and sense time not to vote for hhe hve— and sense time not to vote for hhe hve heh— and sense time not to vote for the two main parties. yeah you hhee— the two main parties. yeah you knew. huh— the two main parties. yeah you know, but what— the two main parties. yeah you know, but what is— the two main parties. yeah you know, but what is there? what is hheee— know, but what is there? what is hheree r— know, but what is there? what is hheree r hehh— know, but what is there? what is there? i mean, it's— know, but what is there? what is there? i mean, it's difficult to eheee— there? i mean, it's difficult to eheee vheh— there? i mean, it's difficult to choose what to— there? i mean, it's difficult to choose what to do. gareth says hhrhh— choose what to do. gareth says hhrhh hhee— choose what to do. gareth says birth rates plummet for our evhehhe— birth rates plummet for our existing population , and so the existing population, and so the hee— existing population, and so the hee iueh— existing population, and so the powers are just allowing hhgrehheh— powers are just allowing migration migrate, mitigate migration to migrate, mitigate hheh— migration to migrate, mitigate hheh ehe— migration to migrate, mitigate that and otherwise just keep hehehhg— that and otherwise just keep hehehhe he— that and otherwise just keep listening to the— that and otherwise just keep listening to the excuses . yeah, listening to the excuses. yeah, i listening to the excuses. yeah, r heh-h— listening to the excuses. yeah, r heh-h hhev— listening to the excuses. yeah, i don't know what— listening to the excuses. yeah, i don't know what they're doing. why— i don't know what they're doing. vvhv ere— i don't know what they're doing. vvhv hhev— i don't know what they're doing. why are they doing that? why do you why are they doing that? why do veu hhhh— why are they doing that? why do you think they're— why are they doing that? why do you think they're allowing, you hhee— you think they're allowing, you hhev.—hhe| know, like not controlling the hherehheh— migration figures? is it just ehuehhhv— migration figures? is it just stupidity, think ? migration figures? is it just- stupidity,-think 7 i think stupidity, do you think? i think it's incompetence. i think i think it's i don't think it's easy, actually. i think to give to be fair, i don't think it's straightforward. there's no one lever that can unless lever that you can pull unless you want to be really draconian, which i wouldn't so which i wouldn't agree with. so it's which i wouldn't agree with. so ifs and which i wouldn't agree with. so it's and they're it's complex and they're incompetent. it's not complex at all. incompetent. it's not complex at art-heve— incompetent. it's not complex at art-heve h— incompetent. it's not complex at all.-laws in place- incompetent. it's not complex at all.-laws in place un. all. there are laws in place un heghehehheh— all. there are laws in place un legislation that— all. there are laws in place un legislation that we could put in hheee— legislation that we could put in place tomorrow.— legislation that we could put in place tomorrow. but the fact of the place tomorrow. but the fact of hhe hehher— place tomorrow. but the fact of hhe hehher he— place tomorrow. but the fact of the matter is there is no hehhheeh— the matter is there is no political to— the matter is there is no political to will do it because hhev-re— political to will do it because they're spineless. _ political to will do it because they're spineless. well let's move on. they're- they're spineless. well let's move on. "r; "r2 move on. they're spineless, right ? sunak not him, of course right? sunak not him, of course . there's confidently backed

himself to remain prime minister for another term as he insisted that the conservatives were on track to the next general track to win the next general election a battering and election despite a battering and the elections. now, asked the local elections. now, asked whether would still be prime whether he would still be prime minister after the next general election, mr sunak replied yes. but then i seem remember but then i seem to remember kwasi kwarteng saying something like he was like that. and then he was ejected quite quickly and he also that his also stated that his determination his determination to deliver his five still in five priorities was still in place. so can he pull it off, do you think? let's welcome again to panel, andrew williams, to my panel, andrew williams, who's a political commentator, and former and martin daubney, former brexit party mep. andrew what do you think? can he pull it off? i think he could. i don't think he hit. — think he could. i don't think he hit. cheery.— think he could. i don't think he will. clearly, the— think he could. i don't think he will. clearly, the polls- 22 i don't think he will. clearly, the polls are heeehvehv— will. clearly, the polls are massively in— will. clearly, the polls are massively in labour's favour . massively in labour's favour. cheerhv— massively in labour's favour. cheurhv being— massively in labour's favour. clearly being in— massively in labour's favour. clearly being in power for 13 vee— clearly being in power for 13 vee r— clearly being in power for 13 years. i think— clearly being in power for 13 years. i think it— clearly being in power for 13 years. i think it was yesterday hheh— years. i think it was yesterday hheh herhee— years. i think it was yesterday that marked the— years. i think it was yesterday that marked the day the tories heve— that marked the day the tories heve heeh— that marked the day the tories heve heeh h— that marked the day the tories have been in power longer than hev— have been in power longer than new heheuu— have been in power longer than new labour. it's— have been in power longer than new labour. it's really, new labour. it's a really, reehv—re- new labour. it's a really,| really—13 years new labour. it's a really,- really_13 years and really long time. 13 years and hhev— really long time. 13 years and hhev heh-h— really long time. 13 years and they don't have— really long time. 13 years and they don't have great track they don't have a great track reeere— they don't have a great track recent-hh— they don't have a great track record-it. they've . they don't have a great track record it. they've got record show for it. they've got heeh— record show for it. they've got last-disaster— record show for it. they've got last-disasterlliz- last year's disaster of liz rruee— last year's disaster of liz truss. -still- last year's disaster of liz truss. still fresh in truss. that's still fresh in heehhe-e— truss. that's still fresh in people's memories and that's eehuehv— people's memories and that's eehuehv hheh— people's memories and that's actually that-a- people's memories and that's actually that a long tail in actually that has a long tail in herme— actually that has a long tail in herrhelheehhe-e— actually that has a long tail in terms people's interest. terms of people's interest.

herhgegee— terms of people's interest. herhgegee-uh- terms of people's interest. mortgages up and terms of people's interest. mortgages-up and of mortgages going up and all of hheh— mortgages going up and all of hheh hhe— mortgages going up and all of that kind-stuff— mortgages going up and all of that kind stuff that that kind of stuff that hasn't yet that kind of stuff that hasn't veh-h.— that kind of stuff that hasn't veh-hlr- that kind of stuff that hasn'ti yet-in..i-there yet kicked in. so i think there are yet kicked in. so i think there r— yet kicked in. so i think there r hhhh— yet kicked in. so i think there are i think they're in a really, reehv— are i think they're in a really, reehv hrhehv— are i think they're in a really, really tricky position. however, his really tricky position. however, hhe hree— really tricky position. however, his tree tells— really tricky position. however, his tree tells us— really tricky position. however, his tree tells us that the eereuhh— his tree tells us that the default vote _ his tree tells us that the default vote in this country is. rerv— default vote in this country is. rerv veeh— default vote in this country is. rerv veeh .— default vote in this country is. rerv veeh . h— default vote in this country is. tory yeah . if your— default vote in this country is. tory yeah . if your name's not tory yeah. if your name's not tony— tory yeah. if your name's not hehv hheh— tory yeah. if your name's not rehv hhehr h— tory yeah. if your name's not tony blair in the— tory yeah. if your name's not tony blair in the last 50 years, you— tony blair in the last 50 years, you-get— tony blair in the last 50 years, you-get elected- you don't get elected as a heheur— you don't get elected as a heheur-se- you don't get elected as a labour-so the- you don't get elected as a labour so the only you don't get elected as a- labour-so the only way labour leader. so the only way in which— labour leader. so the only way in which labour— labour leader. so the only way in which labour can win is for kerr— in which labour can win is for heh sherrher— in which labour can win is for keir starmer to— in which labour can win is for keir starmer to go from a heehhheh— keir starmer to go from a position where— keir starmer to go from a position where we are now, where he-e— position where we are now, where he hehevhhee— position where we are now, where he's detoxified the— position where we are now, where he's detoxified the labour party and he's detoxified the labour party ehe hhe— he's detoxified the labour party ehe hhe hev— he's detoxified the labour party ehe hhe vev re— he's detoxified the labour party and the way i'd put it is labour heve— and the way i'd put it is labour have qualified,— and the way i'd put it is labour have qualified, they've euehhee— have qualified, they've qualified listened qualified to be listened to heuee— because they're not mad like hhev— because they're not mad like hhev-veere- because they're not mad likei hhev-veere-huh because they're not mad like. they-years-but he they were four years ago. but he hee— they were four years ago. but he hee he— they were four years ago. but he hee he the— they were four years ago. but he now has to give people a hreeehhve— now has to give people a proactive reason to vote labour. ehhervhee— proactive reason to vote labour. ehhervhee r— proactive reason to vote labour. otherwise i think— proactive reason to vote labour. otherwise i think it opens the deer— otherwise i think it opens the deer rer— otherwise i think it opens the door for rishi _ otherwise i think it opens the door for rishi sunak to maybe e hh— door for rishi sunak to maybe cause a bit of— door for rishi sunak to maybe cause a bit of an— door for rishi sunak to maybe cause a bit of an upset. ii' 1 \h cause a bit of an upset. martin hehh— cause a bit of an upset. martin heh. h— cause a bit of an upset. martin well, if rishi sunak believes he can win the election, he can win the next election, he must believe in santa or or the tooth fairy because let's be realistic for a moment. the guy is in cloud cuckoo— realistic for a moment. the guy is in cloud cuckoo land- rt. the guy is in cloud cuckoo land and rergeh— is in cloud cuckoo land and reraeh eheuh— is in cloud cuckoo land and forget about the _ is in cloud cuckoo land and forget about the polls because the forget about the polls because hhe hehe— forget about the polls because the polls didn't— forget about the polls because the polls didn't predict brexit. rhe— the polls didn't predict brexit. hhe hehe— the polls didn't predict brexit. the polls didn't— the polls didn't predict brexit. the polls didn't predict donald huhe— the polls didn't predict donald trump winning-— the polls didn't predict donald trump winning. but the reality hehhv— trump winning. but the reality hehhv he— trump winning. but the reality hehhv he heehhe— trump winning. but the reality

motty is people want a change. ather— motty is people want a change. ahher re— motty is people want a change. ahher he veere— motty is people want a change. after 13 years of— motty is people want a change. after 13 years of government and eerhehhv— after 13 years of government and eerhehhv ether— after 13 years of government and certainly after the— after 13 years of government and certainly after the last few veere— certainly after the last few veere er— certainly after the last few years of incompetence and heerhhehehee— years of incompetence and incompetence on delivering on hrevhh— incompetence on delivering on brexit, destroying— incompetence on delivering on brexit, destroying our fishing hhuehrv— brexit, destroying our fishing industry, selling out northern retent— industry, selling out northern rrehehe. e— industry, selling out northern ireland, a total— industry, selling out northern ireland, a total capitulation on eehhrehhhe— ireland, a total capitulation on controlling our— ireland, a total capitulation on controlling our borders and the vhehe— controlling our borders and the vhehe heh— controlling our borders and the vhehe heh er— controlling our borders and the whole lot of them, i think, eeeerve— whole lot of them, i think, eeeerve he— whole lot of them, i think, deserve to be— whole lot of them, i think, deserve to be hosed out of heve.— deserve to be hosed out of hever ahe— deserve to be hosed out of power. and what we need to see is power. and what we need to see he e— power. and what we need to see he e hereeh— power. and what we need to see is a forest fire.— power. and what we need to see is a forest fire. there are two herhhee— is a forest fire. there are two herhhee hheh— is a forest fire. there are two parties that call— is a forest fire. there are two parties that call themselves the herv— parties that call themselves the herv herhv— parties that call themselves the herv herhv. hhere— parties that call themselves the tory party. there are the wets, hhe— tory party. there are the wets, hhe-hehe— tory party. there are the wets, hhe-hehe .— tory party. there are the wets, the - dems , the _ tory party. there are the wets, the dems , the nimbys, the the lib dems, the nimbys, the hehehhere— the lib dems, the nimbys, the remainers, and— the lib dems, the nimbys, the remainers, and are remainers, and there are the hue— remainers, and there are the hrue hhuee— remainers, and there are the true blues-to- remainers, and there are the true blues. to see. i true blues. we want to see. i hhhhh— true blues. we want to see. i hhhhh hh— true blues. we want to see. i hhhhh heh heh— true blues. we want to see. i think i'm not i'm— true blues. we want to see. i think i'm not i'm not a tory, by hhe— think i'm not i'm not a tory, by hhe vev.— think i'm not i'm not a tory, by hhe vev. r— think i'm not i'm not a tory, by the way. i voted— think i'm not i'm not a tory, by the way. i voted 20— think i'm not i'm not a tory, by the way. i voted 20 years. i vehee— the way. i voted 20 years. i vehee her— the way. i voted 20 years. i voted for labour.- the way. i voted 20 years. i voted for labour. and you hehhhehee— voted for labour. and you mentioned about about about tony hheh— mentioned about about about tony hhehr sherrher— mentioned about about about tony blair starmer is— mentioned about about about tony blair starmer is an— blair starmer is an impressionist of tony blair. he erehee— impressionist of tony blair. he drapes himself— impressionist of tony blair. he drapes himself in— impressionist of tony blair. he drapes himself in union flags. hhhhee— drapes himself in union flags. hhhhee eh— drapes himself in union flags. things can only— drapes himself in union flags. things can only get better , but things can only get better, but you— things can only get better, but veu hhev— things can only get better, but veu hhev huh— things can only get better, but you know full well if you pull heeh— you know full well if you pull heeh hheh— you know full well if you pull back that curtain— you know full well if you pull back that curtain like the vvhzere— back that curtain like the vvhzere eh— back that curtain like the wizard of oz,— back that curtain like the wizard of oz, he's on the levers to wizard of oz, he's on the levers he hrueeehe— wizard of oz, he's on the levers to brussels. faux_ wizard of oz, he's on the levers to brussels. faux pas the henoueoe— to brussels. faux pas the language. 2s to brussels. faux pas the- language.-language. you're language. the language. you're not that. you not allowed to say that. you know you know not allowed to say that. you know -you know that i not allowed to say that. youi know -you know that this know that. you know that this guy— know that. you know that this guy campaigned— know that. you know that this guy campaigned against brexit for guy campaigned against brexit her-veere— guy campaigned against brexit for years people's for three years on the people's vehe— for three years on the people's vehe —eevhhe- for three years on the people's vehe —eevhhe he i for three years on the people's. vote—saying we won't vote. now we're saying we won't rejoin— vote. now we're saying we won't rehehhlhuh— vote. now we're saying we won't rehehhlhuh-vhh— vote. now we're saying we won't rejoinibut-will get- vote. now we're saying we won't rejoin but will get closer rejoin, but they will get closer ehehee — rejoin, but they will get closer ehehee .— rejoin, but they will get closer ehhahee . ahe— rejoin, but they will get closer

aligned . and that's a one way aligned. and that's a one way reheheh. — aligned. and that's a one way ratchet. brussels— aligned. and that's a one way ratchet. brussels will be more in ratchet. brussels will be more hh eenhreh— ratchet. brussels will be more in control. people— ratchet. brussels will be more in control. people didn't vote for in control. people didn't vote her hhhe— in control. people didn't vote for this. and— in control. people didn't vote for this. and the— in control. people didn't vote for this. and the tories have to hehe— for this. and the tories have to take responsibility. they failed on take responsibility. they failed eh hrevhh. — take responsibility. they failed eh hrevhh. se— take responsibility. they failed on brexit. so starmer's been eheehuhehv— on brexit. so starmer's been absolutely clear— on brexit. so starmer's been absolutely clear that if labour get absolutely clear that if labour oeh eheehee— absolutely clear that if labour get elected and— absolutely clear that if labour get elected and no referendum, no get elected and no referendum, he reurhh he— get elected and no referendum, no return to the— get elected and no referendum, no return to the eu, no return to no return to the eu, no return he hreeeerh — no return to the eu, no return to freedom of— no return to the eu, no return to freedom of movement, he's heeh— to freedom of movement, he's been absolutely— to freedom of movement, he's been absolutely he was eehhehohhha- been absolutely he was campaigning for a second rehereheurh— campaigning for a second referendum and you can't deny hheh— referendum and you can't deny hheh hhere— referendum and you can't deny that there he _ referendum and you can't deny that there he being very that there he was being very cheer— that there he was being very cheer-hehhe- that there he was being very clear wants changed is clear that he wants changed is hheh— clear that he wants changed is hheh he— clear that he wants changed is that he knows— clear that he wants changed is that he knows that not that he knows that that's not a vhehhe— that he knows that that's not a viable position _ that he knows that that's not a viable position win power. viable position to win power. huh— viable position to win power. huh hee— viable position to win power. but he's-mentioned- viable position to win power. . but he's-mentioned-the but he's not mentioned about the woman still woman thing yet, though still he's managed to clarify he's not managed to clarify that. unsure what that. he's still unsure what a woman this the bit that woman is. this is the bit that gets see, this is all very gets me. see, this is all very well, he seems to have flip well, but he seems to have flip flopped between which is fair enough. they're all enough. you know, they're all doing at least doing it. but at least rishi sunak able say what sunak has been able to say what a woman and keir starmer has a woman is. and keir starmer has made that. made an embarrassment of that. and worries a lot people and what worries a lot of people who may potentially for him who may potentially vote for him who may potentially vote for him who silent non. they're not who are silent non. they're not saying what they're going do saying what they're going to do . people like you said, the tory party vote for party those who would vote for tories quite quiet and they tories are quite quiet and they are the default default position . a true sort . oh, we can't get a true sort of scope what's actually

of scope on what's actually going happen and things like going to happen and things like not being to what not being able to say what a woman means a lot people woman is means a lot to people like me. i don't think i don't for like me. i don't think i don't her ee— like me. i don't think i don't for some people— like me. i don't think i don't for some people at- t i don't think i don't for some people at the margins, hheh— for some people at the margins, hheh hhghh— for some people at the margins, hheh hhehh he— for some people at the margins, that might be an— for some people at the margins, that might be an issue. on hehhe— that might be an issue. on hehhho-eh— that might be an issue. on polling at margins. polling day at the margins. yeah i polling day at the margins. yeah r-veheh— polling day at the margins. yeah r-veheh hhev— polling day at the margins. yeah i-women know i- polling day at the margins. yeah i women know i mean a i don't women know i mean for a verv— i don't women know i mean for a verv-erheh— i don't women know i mean for a very-small number- i don't women know i mean for a very small number of people very very small number of people i very very small number of people r eehh— very very small number of people r eehh-hheh— very very small number of people i don't-that the- very very small number of people i don't that the trans i don't believe that the trans hrehe— i don't believe that the trans issue, trans debate is going to be issue, trans debate is going to he e— issue, trans debate is going to he e reehv— issue, trans debate is going to be a really serious it's not reehv— be a really serious it's not reehv hhe— be a really serious it's not really the trans- be a really serious it's not really the trans debate. . really the trans debate. it's hhe— really the trans debate. it's hhe rech— really the trans debate. it's the fact that— really the trans debate. it's the fact that couldn't say the fact that he couldn't say what is. and i'm a woman what a woman is. and i'm a woman . well, couldn't really say . well, he couldn't really say that if he has now. no, he hasn't really. hasn't really hasn't really. he hasn't really said have a said 99.9% of women don't have a penis. that's what he was penis. now, that's what he was saying. kind his penis. now, that's what he was sayfinal kind his penis. now, that's what he was sayfinal resting kind his penis. now, that's what he was sayfinal resting point. his penis. now, that's what he was sayfinal resting point. and; his final resting point. and for me a woman, not that he me as a woman, it's not that he not that i know he knows what a woman it's the fact that he woman is. it's the fact that he was not able to commit to do was not able to commit to it. do i that i want somebody like that leading the country? and i think the no. that says the answer is no. that says a lot about but do you think lot about him. but do you think that sorry rishi sunak that that sorry that rishi sunak is saying that he is saying everything that he believes do you think believes every day, do you think he's being true to what he believes? but that believes? but but on that eheehhhe— believes? but but on that specific issue,— , but but on that specific issue, keir keir sherrher— specific issue, keir keir sherrher he— specific issue, keir keir starmer is -to. specific issue, keir keir. starmer is -to tread starmer is having to tread a verv— starmer is having to tread a vev-hhe— starmer is having to tread a very,-fine line,- very, very fine line, a hhohhrehe— very, very fine line, a tightrope in- very, very fine line, a tightrope in order to get eheeheh— tightrope in order to get

elected. it's— tightrope in order to get elected. it's really difficult to elected. it's really difficult he he— elected. it's really difficult to be elected— elected. it's really difficult to be elected as a labour leader in to be elected as a labour leader hh-eeuhhrv— to be elected as a labour leader hh-eeuhhrv ehe— to be elected as a labour leader in-country and i— to be elected as a labour leader in country and i think he's in this country and i think he's eehhe— in this country and i think he's hehe r— in this country and i think he's doing r hhhhh— in this country and i think he's doing i think he's— in this country and i think he's doing i think he's done a very 900d_ doing i think he's done a very good heh— doing i think he's done a very good job-moving- doing i think he's done a very good job moving a good job of moving towards a heehhheh— good job of moving towards a position-labour- good job of moving towards a position labour have a position where labour have a eeheeh— position where labour have a chance-doesn't- position where labour have a chance doesn't hurt by chance and it doesn't hurt by hhe— chance and it doesn't hurt by hhe-hhe— chance and it doesn't hurt by the-the tories— chance and it doesn't hurt by the the tories have been a the way the tories have been a heeeheu—hhe- disaster. but this is the hhherhehh.— disaster. but this is the important, important point important, the important point is important, the important point he-veu— important, the important point he-veu vere— important, the important point is-you were rishi- important, the important point is you were rishi sunak, is that if you were rishi sunak, vheh— is that if you were rishi sunak, vheh veuhe— is that if you were rishi sunak, what would you _ is that if you were rishi sunak, what would you what would what would you say? what would you what would you say? what would veu-hhe— what would you say? what would you the conservatives track you say the conservatives track reere— you say the conservatives track reeere-vheh- you say the conservatives track record -what are - you say the conservatives track record what are the record was? and what are the successes? well,— record was? and what are the successes? well, brexit has not heeh— successes? well, brexit has not heeh hehe— successes? well, brexit has not heeh hehe eh— successes? well, brexit has not been hang on, hang on. brexit hee— been hang on, hang on. brexit hee heh— been hang on, hang on. brexit hee heh heeh— been hang on, hang on. brexit has not been a— been hang on, hang on. brexit has not been a success. the hhev.— has not been a success. the vaccine. okay, that that might be vaccine. okay, that that might he ee— vaccine. okay, that that might he hhe— vaccine. okay, that that might be one the vaccine roll up. hheh-e— be one the vaccine roll up. hheh-e ehe— be one the vaccine roll up. that's one. that's one i oehuhhehv— that's one. that's one i genuinely cannot think of a ehhere— genuinely cannot think of a ehhohe ehher— genuinely cannot think of a single other triumph. people hehh— single other triumph. people vehhlveere— single other triumph. people want years conviction , not want 13 years is conviction, not heeue— want 13 years is conviction, not reeue oreuh— want 13 years is conviction, not focus group politics and starmer flip focus group politics and starmer flip hehe— focus group politics and starmer flip here here— focus group politics and starmer flip flops more than maybe let's be flip flops more than maybe let's he heneeh— flip flops more than maybe let's he heheeh. he— flip flops more than maybe let's be honest, he says.— flip flops more than maybe let's be honest, he says. r2 be honest, he says. he says he's against brexit now. he says in favour of brexit. he said he's he's in favour of open borders now. he's in favour of tighter controls. he said that women can't have a penis, he's, he's a nonsensical flip flopper. people want clarity in the red wall. but however , i think that the but however, i think that the

tories are so incompetent that they're handing this guy a gift on a plate. i was in parliament in january 2010, 2020, sorry. after i stood in ashfield against lee anderson, a good friend of mine and they were saying the next labour leader hasn't even been born . that's hasn't even been born. that's how confident they were of at least a generation of power. they've absolutely, utterly squandered it and thrown it away . imean, squandered it and thrown it away . i mean, i think i absolutely hhhhh— . i mean, i think i absolutely hhhhh hhev— i mean, i think i absolutely think they deserve to be hhreehee— think they deserve to be thrashed at— think they deserve to be thrashed at the next general eheehheh — thrashed at the next general eheehheh r— thrashed at the next general election. i think— thrashed at the next general election. i think they've been a hheeeher. — election. i think they've been a disaster. yeah,— election. i think they've been a disaster. yeah,-but- election. i think they've been a disaster. v/r2?�* g disaster. yeah, but but anything but doesn't always work. but tory doesn't always work. well, at americans . well, look at the americans. well, look at the americans. well, but trump. look well, anything but trump. look what they got. yeah, well, that's true . i mean, i think. i that's true. i mean, i think. i hhhhh— that's true. i mean, i think. i hhhhh. vheh— that's true. i mean, i think. i think. well yeah,— that's true. i mean, i think. i think. well yeah, you- i mean, i think. i think. well yeah, you might say it think. well yeah, you might say hh vee— think. well yeah, you might say hh e— think. well yeah, you might say hh e hee— think. well yeah, you might say it was a bad choice. it was, but it was a bad choice. it was, but hh vee— it was a bad choice. it was, but it was biden's_ it was a bad choice. it was, but it was biden's a— it was a bad choice. it was, but it was biden's a no— it was a bad choice. it was, but it was biden's a no brainer in my— it was biden's a no brainer in rhv heeh. — it was biden's a no brainer in rhv heeh. rh-e— it was biden's a no brainer in my book. it's obviously biden ehe— my book. it's obviously biden ehe huhe.— my book. it's obviously biden and trump. trump is. my book. it's obviously biden and trump. trump is . 2 and trump. trump is. i would eeree— and trump. trump is. i would eeree hheh— and trump. trump is. i would agree that biden is a no brainer, but for different reasons. to you. hang on. wait, you— reasons. to you. hang on. wait, veu-huhe— reasons. to you. hang on. wait, you-trump-biden.. you said trump versus biden. rh-e— you said trump versus biden. rh-e ehvheuehv— you said trump versus biden. it's obviously you'd vote it's obviously biden. you'd vote for it's obviously biden. you'd vote her—huhe- it's obviously biden. you'd votei her—huhe reeh for biden ahead of trump 100% everv— for biden ahead of trump 100% everv-eev— for biden ahead of trump 100% everv-eev eh— for biden ahead of trump 100% everv-eev eh hhe- for biden ahead of trump 100% every day of the week . every single day of the week. why?— every single day of the week. why? hhe— every single day of the week. why? hhe heh— every single day of the week. why? the man is— every single day of the week. why? the man is not- every single day of the week. why? the man is not trump? because trump tried to overthrow

the the the result of the of the election, literally tried to election, but literally tried to trash us. democracy i don't know the number one thing they're known for all the world is known for all over the world is freedom democracy, he freedom and democracy, he totally screwed totally trashed that. he screwed up response to covid. he was up the response to covid. he was he terror. he's the worst he was a terror. he's the worst president never president in history. he never started a war. and— president in history. he never started a war. and if- 2 2 he never started a war. and if you look at started a war. and if you look eh hhe— started a war. and if you look eh hhe-ree— started a war. and if you look at the -joe biden- started a war. and if you look at the joe biden acted, i at the way joe biden acted, i veuhe— at the way joe biden acted, i vehe-ehe— at the way joe biden acted, i would-and-saw. at the way joe biden acted, i would and saw his at the way joe biden acted, i. would-and-saw his if would say and if you saw his if you— would say and if you saw his if veu ee— would say and if you saw his if you saw america _ would say and if you saw his if you saw america out of a war in ahohehheheh— you saw america out of a war in afghanistan-very- you saw america out of a war in afghanistan. very badly, afghanistan. yeah, very badly, badlvv— afghanistan. yeah, very badly, hehhv—hehhv. - afghanistan. yeah, very badly, badly, badly. and if badly, badly, very badly. and if veuve— badly, badly, very badly. and if veuve-hhe— badly, badly, very badly. and if veuve-hhe ver— badly, badly, very badly. and if you've the war ukraine, you've seen the war in ukraine, i you've seen the war in ukraine, r-eev— you've seen the war in ukraine, r-eev hheh— you've seen the war in ukraine, i-say that actually- you've seen the war in ukraine, i say that actually that i would say that actually that vee—hh— i would say that actually that vee—hh hee- i would say that actually that was—it had been. was probably if it had been huhe.— was probably if it had been hrurhh. r— was probably if it had been trump, i don't— was probably if it had been trump, i don't think that would heve— trump, i don't think that would heve heeeereh— trump, i don't think that would have happened. but this is the hehhh. — have happened. but this is the hehhh. -hhev- have happened. but this is the hehhh. -hhev ehe- have happened. but this is the point. -they did put. have happened. but this is thei point. -they did put it have happened. but this is the. point. -they did put it to point. martin they did put it to the people. biden won. i bet the people. and biden won. i bet you it regret you they regret it now, regret hhe. — you they regret it now, regret hhe. -hruhe-e- you they regret it now, regret- £50. -trump's-beat £50. now trump's going to beat biden next time. of course, he is no, i think biden will win again. yeah. my god. we're again. yeah. oh, my god. we're doing now. yeah. again. yeah. oh, my god. we're doinglnow. yeah. did- again. yeah. oh, my god. we're doinglnow. yeah. did you- ?g? 2 yeah. oh, my god. �*vvr�*r2 ”r2 r2r2r 2g yeah. did you see doing it now. yeah. did you see he— doing it now. yeah. did you see hhhelvveh.— doing it now. yeah. did you see thisiwell, well— doing it now. yeah. did you see thisiwell, well ,_ doing it now. yeah. did you see this|well, well, i— r2r2r 2g e yeah. did you see this well, well, i don't. this? well, well, i don't. i eehh— this? well, well, i don't. i don't believe— this? well, well, i don't. i don't believe that win that as veh— don't believe that win that as veh. hheh-e— don't believe that win that as well. that's good.— don't believe that win that as well. that's good. yeah. well you— well. that's good. yeah. well veu hhev.— well. that's good. yeah. well veu hhev. hh— well. that's good. yeah. well you know, i'm not— well. that's good. yeah. well you know, i'm not going to say envhhhe— you know, i'm not going to say anything. biden— you know, i'm not going to say anything. biden incredibly anything. biden is incredibly old:— anything. biden is incredibly ehe-r— anything. biden is incredibly ehelrlvheh- anything. biden is incredibly old,-i.wish you- anything. biden is incredibly old, i wish you know, old, but i do wish you know, i hehe— old, but i do wish you know, i here r— old, but i do wish you know, i here r vheh— old, but i do wish you know, i hope i wish reigns but hope i wish he reigns well. but huhe-e— hope i wish he reigns well. but hrurhh-e heh— hope i wish he reigns well. but trump's not much— hope i wish he reigns well. but trump's not much younger. yeah, but trump's not much younger. yeah, huh-hhhhh—

trump's not much younger. yeah, but-think biden's- trump's not much younger. yeah, but think biden's well, trump's not much younger. yeah, breally think biden's well, trump's not much younger. yeah, breally don'tiink biden's well, trump's not much younger. yeah, breally don't think den's well, trump's not much younger. yeah, breally don't think den':well, , i really don't think he's well, i really don't think he's well, r-eehe— i really don't think he's well, r-eerhe eh— i really don't think he's well, i-some of the- i really don't think he's well, i some of the things he's i mean, some of the things he's heeh— i mean, some of the things he's heeh-eeeeh-h- i mean, some of the things he'si been-doesn't-like been doing, it doesn't seem like a been doing, it doesn't seem like e—r-h- been doing, it doesn't seem like e—r-rh heh- a well, man, i think i'm not eevhhe— a well, man, i think i'm not eevhho-hhe— a well, man, i think i'm not saying the greatest saying he's the greatest hreeheehh— saying he's the greatest president of— saying he's the greatest president of all time. 15 president of all time. by any means. in an ideal world, you'd president of all time. by any meartwot an ideal world, you'd president of all time. by any meartwo completely orld, you'd president of all time. by any meartwo completely different'd have two completely different people race. i if people in that race. i think if it's straight binary decision, it's a straight binary decision, you and in a straight you go biden and in a straight binary decision in a uk general election between labour and the tories, which is because that's just system works . and just how our system works. and even you want to blow up even if you want to blow it up and a new party, new and have a new party, new parties on the right have tried. we had the disaster that was what called? change we had the disaster that was whathe called? change we had the disaster that was whathe independentd? change we had the disaster that was whathe independent groupinge we had the disaster that was whathe independent group with uk, the independent group with a shambles. that was it's not. but they were all they were all liberal democrats some liberal democrats who then some conservatives some labour. conservatives and some labour. oh, a mess. it changed oh, it was a mess. it changed hehhhhg— oh, it was a mess. it changed hehhhhg-hhehh.- oh, it was a mess. it changed nothing right, well, nothing at all. right, well, heh-e— nothing at all. right, well, hehe-veuve- nothing at all. right, well, let's you've been let's see what you've been eevhhe. — let's see what you've been saying. donald— let's see what you've been saying. donald says we need to heve—huvurv- saying. donald says we need to heve—huvurv eh| move away from the luxury of hrhhheh— move away from the luxury of british _wanting. move away from the luxury ofj british _wanting to british workers not wanting to do british workers not wanting to hhe—vre— british workers not wanting to hhe—vre - british workers not wanting to. do _we were talking do certain jobs. we were talking eheuh— do certain jobs. we were talking eheuh hheh— do certain jobs. we were talking about that earlier.— do certain jobs. we were talking about that earlier. necessary hehe—hheel jobs at that. exactly. linda eeve— jobs at that. exactly. linda eeve hhe— jobs at that. exactly. linda eeve hhe big— jobs at that. exactly. linda says the big question is not vheh— says the big question is not what sevilla_ says the big question is not what sevilla has or hasn't done. it's what sevilla has or hasn't done. he vhe— what sevilla has or hasn't done. he vhe he— what sevilla has or hasn't done. it's who is leaking— what sevilla has or hasn't done. it's who is leaking information to it's who is leaking information he-hreee.— it's who is leaking information he-hreee.-heeh- to the press. we've been eheeueehhe— to the press. we've been discussing later on, discussing that later on, eehuehv— discussing that later on,l actually,_guilty actually, whoever is guilty eheuhe — actually, whoever is guilty- should _ sacked should be rooted out and sacked

ehe— should be rooted out and sacked ehe heroehhhe— should be rooted out and sacked and targeting of— should be rooted out and sacked and targeting of ministers has to and targeting of ministers has he eheh— and targeting of ministers has he eheh .— and targeting of ministers has he eheh . r— and targeting of ministers has he eheh . r eoree— and targeting of ministers has to stop . i agree with that. on to stop. i agree with that. on hhe— to stop. i agree with that. on hhe euh-eeh— to stop. i agree with that. on the subject of— to stop. i agree with that. on the subject of immigration, hehhv— the subject of immigration, hehhv eeve— the subject of immigration, hehhv eeve ve— the subject of immigration, danny says we don't high danny says we don't need high hhhhgrehheh— danny says we don't need high immigration-have. danny says we don't need high immigration. have the immigration. we don't have the infrastructure _ immigration. we don't have the infrastructure and— immigration. we don't have the infrastructure and can't afford the infrastructure . to keep all the infrastructure. to keep all veur— the infrastructure. to keep all veur hheuahhe— the infrastructure. to keep all your thoughts coming on all the hehhe— your thoughts coming on all the hehhee hheh— your thoughts coming on all the topics that we're _ your thoughts coming on all the topics that we're discussing, if you— topics that we're discussing, if vehe-— topics that we're discussing, if you-me, welcome. you just join me, welcome on heerh—he- you just join me, welcome on heerh—he ehl board. it's coming up to 31 hhhuhee— board. it's coming up to 31 minutes after— board. it's coming up to 31 minutes after 3:00. is gb minutes after 3:00. this is gb heve. — minutes after 3:00. this is gb heve. -hhe— minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. the people's news. we are the people's chehheh.— news. we are the people's channel.-nana- news. we are the people's channel. nana akua. after channel. i'm nana akua. after the channel. i'm nana akua. after hhe hreeh— channel. i'm nana akua. after the break, continue with the break, we'll continue with eur—eehhhel the break, we'll continue with eur—eehhhe hei our discussions. i'm asking is hhe— our discussions. i'm asking is hhe eh— our discussions. i'm asking is hhe eh verhh— our discussions. i'm asking is the g7 worth it— our discussions. i'm asking is the g7 worth it 7— our discussions. i'm asking is the g7 worth it ? you'll hear the the g7 worth it? you'll hear the hheughhe— the g7 worth it? you'll hear the hheughhe eh— the g7 worth it? you'll hear the hheuohhe er hv— the g7 worth it? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. andrew vvhhherhe— thoughts of my panel. andrew vvhhherhe e— thoughts of my panel. andrew williams, a political commentator and also former hrevhh— commentator and also former hrevhh herhv— commentator and also former brexit party mep,— commentator and also former brexit party mep, martin daubney .-heh-e— brexit party mep, martin daubney .-heh-e eeh— brexit party mep, martin daubney .-heh-e eeh veur- . but first, let's get your heheeh— . but first, let's get your latest news— . but first, let's get your latest news headlines . 25 25�* latest news headlines. 3:31. r-rh — latest news headlines. 3:31. r-rh hhev— latest news headlines. 3:31. i'm ray addison— latest news headlines. 3:31. i'm ray addison in- latest news headlines. 25 25�* i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. and- i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. ' 2 53.2. i'm ray addison in the gb- newsroom. and our top story this afternoon, opposition leaders are calling for an investigation after it emerged that the home secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her driving licence for speeding last summer. the sunday times reports that summer. the sunday times reports hheh suehe— summer. the sunday times reports that suella braverman— the sunday times reports that suella braverman asked a ehvhh— that suella braverman asked a ehvhh eervehh— that suella braverman asked a civil servant to _ that suella braverman asked a

civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 civil servant to organise a 1 to h erhvhhg— civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course hheheee. — 1 driving awareness course instead. shadow- 1 driving awareness course instead. 2 1 driving awareness course- instead. shadow home secretary yvette cooper described the allegations as shocking, saying that ms braverman's role is to uphold the law and yet she abused her position to get around it . well, abused her position to get around it. well, on the final day— around it. well, on the final eev eh— around it. well, on the final eev eh hhe— around it. well, on the final eev er hhe eh— 22 . well, on the final day of the g7 summit in japan, vehe— day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders— day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders have set out their prehe— world leaders have set out their hhehe he— world leaders have set out their plans to tackle— world leaders have set out their plans to tackle aggression from chhhe. — plans to tackle aggression from chhhe. hrhhe— plans to tackle aggression from china. prime minister- plans to tackle aggression from china. 37�*2 hi 2 122 china. prime minister rishi sunak says beijing poses the biggest challenge to global security, being the only country with both the means and intent to reshape the world order . the to reshape the world order. the president of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peaceful mula has the potential to prevent future wars. he's thanked western allies for their ongoing support , including receiving american made f—16 jets and the training of ukrainian pilots. made f—16 jets and the training of ukrainian pilots . volodymyr of ukrainian pilots. volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims that the russian mercenary wagner group have captured the eastern ukrainian city of

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weapons to support kyiv in their eeehheh— weapons to support kyiv in their war against the— weapons to support kyiv in their war against the kremlin. but vheh— war against the kremlin. but vheh hheee— war against the kremlin. but what does britain gain from the hehherehhhe— what does britain gain from the hehherehhhe r— what does britain gain from the membership? i mean, is it a veehe— membership? i mean, is it a veehe eh— membership? i mean, is it a waste of money?— membership? i mean, is it a waste of money? right. let's get eherheh— waste of money? right. let's get started. welcome— waste of money? right. let's get started. welcome again to andrew withhe— started. welcome again to andrew vvhhherhe. he-e— started. welcome again to andrew williams. he's a— started. welcome again to andrew williams. he's a political commentator— williams. he's a political commentator and also martin heuhnev— commentator and also martin daubney, former— commentator and also martin daubney, former brexit party hhh — daubney, former brexit party hhh hehh— daubney, former brexit party hhh hhahh. se— daubney, former brexit party mep. right. so i'm going to eherh— mep. right. so i'm going to eherh vhhh— mep. right. so i'm going to start with you. _ mep. right. so i'm going to start with you. martin is there any— start with you. martin is there ehv-he— start with you. martin is there ehv-he-vueh. start with you. martin is there any-to-well, thel start with you. martin is there. any-to-well, the g7 any point to this? well, the g7 any point to this? well, the g7 e the— any point to this? well, the g7 a bit like cop27, bit like the a bit like cop27, a bit like the united nations, a bit like the world health organisation, a bit the wef is basically a way of britain emptying its bank account to the globe to look virtuous. meanwhile brits at home are struggling to even sort of afford a sort of a sausage roll and i think people have have have a duty to sort of question this kind of virtue signalling on the global stage, particularly when it comes to the war, for example, here we are giving billions of pounds to the ukraine in hiroshima , a the ukraine in hiroshima, a city, you know, renowned for its global nuclear importance in ending war and their war mongering , they're raising funds mongering, they're raising funds to go to war. now, who wins in a

war? and i think donald trump had the right idea when he boycotted the g7, that famous picture where he was stared down by angela merkel. he said, what's the point of this? it basically means giving loads of money and getting not much in return. and he just just blackballed it. and like now britain goes there and the opfics britain goes there and the optics weren't good. rishi sunak was right in the end of the of the school photo. no, no . the school photo. no, no. there's biden and justin trudeau and macron are having a bit of a bromance in the middle, a bit of a man hug and we're peripheral characters , the same as we were characters, the same as we were with theresa may yet these conferences cost billions of pounds. conferences cost billions of pounds . and i think we need to pounds. and i think we need to seriously question our role, the trade deals that we've already done with japan don't need to be a part of this. we've already done that. so what do we actually get out of i think actually get out of it? i think charity begins at home. it's ironic . they should be- ironic. they should be going to hhreehhrhe— ironic. they should be going to hiroshima,-atomic. ironic. they should be going to- hiroshima,-atomic bomb hiroshima, where the atomic bomb vehh— hiroshima, where the atomic bomb vehhl— hiroshima, where the atomic bomb vehhl r— hiroshima, where the atomic bomb vehhl rhueh— hiroshima, where the atomic bomb vehhl rhueh heeh— hiroshima, where the atomic bomb went.. i just feel i— hiroshima, where the atomic bomb went . i just feel i feel, went off. i just feel i feel, you— went off. i just feel i feel, veu hhev.— went off. i just feel i feel, you know, we're- went off. i just feel i feel, you know, we're probably on the

hehehhhehv— you know, we're probably on the hehehhhehv eh— you know, we're probably on the potentially on the— you know, we're probably on the potentially on the midst of a hueheer— potentially on the midst of a nuclear war if— potentially on the midst of a nuclear war if this whole thingi was—on escalates. was russia carries on escalates. so was russia carries on escalates. se-veu— was russia carries on escalates. se-veu hhhhh- was russia carries on escalates. so you think anyone any so what do you think anyone any of so what do you think anyone any eh hhe— so what do you think anyone any of the leaders— so what do you think anyone any of the leaders at— so what do you think anyone any of the leaders at the g7 want to be of the leaders at the g7 want to he hhere — of the leaders at the g7 want to be there spending— of the leaders at the g7 want to be there spending billions of eehere— be there spending billions of eehere eh— be there spending billions of dollars on -jets? - be there spending billions of dollars on jets? 2er dollars on fighter jets? they heh-h— dollars on fighter jets? they heh-h veeh— dollars on fighter jets? they don't want to _ dollars on fighter jets? they don't want to be— dollars on fighter jets? they don't want to be doing that. they don't have a choice because of the russia behaved. they don't have a choice because of tithe russia behaved. they don't have a choice because of tithe alternative behaved. they don't have a choice because of tithe alternative , behaved. they don't have a choice because of tithe alternative , which ved. they don't have a choice because of tithe alternative , which isi and the alternative, which is just to let them roam into a neighbouring country, a sovereign nation , and flatten sovereign nation, and flatten it. just going to allow it. we're just going to allow that to happen. well, we can't and we and it's not. it's not legitimate for britain if it wants to have any place whatsoever in any conversation on the world stage. it's not acceptable for us to stand by and say, well , it's acceptable for us to stand by and say, well, it's in eastern europe , it doesn't matter. but europe, it doesn't matter. but we haven't stood by. so the uk has we haven't stood by. so the uk hee ehreeev— we haven't stood by. so the uk has already donated— 2 e 2 so the uk has already donated billions of heuhee. — has already donated billions of heuhee. hhe— has already donated billions of pounds. the second biggest donor ohehehv— pounds. the second biggest donor globally ve— pounds. the second biggest donor globally, we haven't stood by. hheh— globally, we haven't stood by. hheh-eehhe— globally, we haven't stood by. hheh-eevhhe he— globally, we haven't stood by. what saying is these what i'm saying is these conferences— what i'm saying is these conferences are about giving yet hehev evev— conferences are about giving yet more money away without clear ehe— more money away without clear ehe hh— more money away without clear ehe hh ehehh— more money away without clear end in sight. donald trump said, why— end in sight. donald trump said, why heh-h— end in sight. donald trump said, vvhv heh-h ve— end in sight. donald trump said, why don't we sit— end in sight. donald trump said, why don't we sit down and hegehhehe— why don't we sit down and negotiate with— why don't we sit down and negotiate with and with negotiate with putin and with zehehehvv— negotiate with putin and with zelenskyy together ? but at the zelenskyy together? but at the rherhehh— zelenskyy together? but at the . mement—veuhe zelenskyy together? but at the - moment,_would a moment, what would what would a hegehhehheh —

moment, what would what would a negotiation _saying- negotiation look like? saying you negotiation look like? saying veu-hhe— negotiation look like? saying you the territory you can have the territory you've stop the war you've already had stop the war that g7 seems intent on that the g7 seems intent on pounding russia and we cannot forget the historical importance of the usa, albeit second hand via the netherlands. given f—16 fighter via the netherlands. given f—16 hhohher hehe— via the netherlands. given f—16 hhohher here he— via the netherlands. given f—16 fighter jets to the _ . \2 given f—16 fighter jets to the ukrainians hheh— fighter jets to the ukrainians hheh he— fighter jets to the ukrainians hheh he eh— fighter jets to the ukrainians that is an act— fighter jets to the ukrainians that is an act of— fighter jets to the ukrainians that is an act of outright war ehe— that is an act of outright war ehe hheh— that is an act of outright war and that will— that is an act of outright war and that will absolutely no ehheeh— and that will absolutely no ehheeh he— and that will absolutely no appeal to putin's ego of saying the appeal to putin's ego of saying hhe ehhhre— appeal to putin's ego of saying the entire west— appeal to putin's ego of saying the entire west is— appeal to putin's ego of saying the entire west is against us. vheh— the entire west is against us. war, he— the entire west is against us. well, he won't— the entire west is against us. well, he won't end the war. he hee— well, he won't end the war. he hee eehe— well, he won't end the war. he hee eehe hheh— well, he won't end the war. he has said that this— well, he won't end the war. he has said that this is an escalation— has said that this is an escalation ,_ has said that this is an escalation , an hasn't he? 2: escalation, an hasn't he? and hehehe— escalation, an hasn't he? and hehehe huhe— escalation, an hasn't he? and donald trump said that he would stop the war in 24 hours, pretty much. mean, that's kind of much. i mean, that's kind of what. well, laugh, but he what. well, you laugh, but he donald trump has not whilst he was president, donald trump has not whilst he was president , there was there as as president, there were wars, really. he didn't was there as as president, there were anyvars, really. he didn't was there as as president, there were any wars. no.. he didn't was there as as president, there were any wars. no. but didn't was there as as president, there were any wars. no. but iiidn't was there as as president, there were any wars. no. but i mean, start any wars. no. but i mean, heeh— start any wars. no. but i mean, heeh r— start any wars. no. but i mean, heeh r hhhhh— start any wars. no. but i mean, look, i think the— start any wars. no. but i mean, look, i think the whole- no. but i mean, look, i think the whole trump hhhhe— look, i think the whole trump thing-misnomer.- look, i think the whole trump thing misnomer. like he's thing is a misnomer. like he's heh— thing is a misnomer. like he's heh going— thing is a misnomer. like he's heh going he— thing is a misnomer. like he's heh going he he— thing is a misnomer. like he's not going to be he's not we've ehreeev— not going to be he's not we've already discussed— not going to be he's not we've already discussed going already discussed he's not going to already discussed he's not going he—vveh- already discussed he's not going he—vveh. hei to be president again. well, no, hh— to be president again. well, no, heh heh— to be president again. well, no, heh heh hehhe— to be president again. well, no, i'm just making there. i'm just making a point there. hhe— i'm just making a point there. hhe-ee— i'm just making a point there. hhe-eh cerrv- i'm just making a point there. and-so. carry on. - and i will do so. carry on. he's it's not we have no choice huh— he's it's not we have no choice huh he— he's it's not we have no choice but to combat— he's it's not we have no choice but to combat what russia is eehhe— but to combat what russia is doing- vve— but to combat what russia is

doing. we can't— but to combat what russia is doing. we can't just allow them to doing. we can't just allow them he reh— doing. we can't just allow them he rehh hh— doing. we can't just allow them he rehh hh he— doing. we can't just allow them to roll in to neighbouring euhhrhee— to roll in to neighbouring countries and— to roll in to neighbouring countries and invade them and hheh— countries and invade them and hen eev— countries and invade them and then say actually— countries and invade them and then say actually it's been over a so we're probably a year now, so we're probably hueh— a year now, so we're probably he going— a year now, so we're probably he going he— a year now, so we're probably he going he eev— a year now, so we're probably just going to say can, you just going to say you can, you keep— just going to say you can, you heeh vheh— just going to say you can, you can keep what you've taken heuee— can keep what you've taken because _ shown i because history has shown they did because history has shown they ehe—eel did this in crimea, they'll do it did this in crimea, they'll do hh-hhev— did this in crimea, they'll do hh-hhev hhehh- did this in crimea, they'll do it-they might do- did this in crimea, they'll do it they might do it in it again. they might do it in ehehher— it again. they might do it in another neighbouring country hehh— another neighbouring country hevh—ehevl another neighbouring country. next—allow for next time. you cannot allow for euhhrhee— next time. you cannot allow for countries-russia- next time. you cannot allow for countries-russia of- next time. you cannot allow for countries russia of their countries like russia of their ehe— countries like russia of their he— countries like russia of their he eeh— countries like russia of their size to get away— countries like russia of their size to get away with the way hhev-re— size to get away with the way they're behaving.— size to get away with the way they're behaving. it's not no one wants to _ they're behaving. it's not no one wants to be,— they're behaving. it's not no one wants to be, but nobody's hehhe— one wants to be, but nobody's hehhhhe hheh— one wants to be, but nobody's letting them -with l one wants to be, but nobody's letting them with them letting them get away with them ehvvev. —hheehh- letting them get away with them anyway. _ itself was i anyway. but the g7 itself was still giving the weapons anyway, irrespective summit, irrespective of the summit, which potentially seem which could potentially seem like money, a waste which could potentially seem liktime, money, a waste which could potentially seem liktime, especiallyney, a waste which could potentially seem liktime, especially given waste which could potentially seem liktime, especially given the te of time, especially given the cost of living. if we look at if we cost of living. if we look at if he heeh— cost of living. if we look at if he heehlhhe— cost of living. if we look at if we look-the summit- t t . 2g if we look at if we look the summit summit we look at the summit summit eeeehhheehv— we look at the summit summit eheehhheehv. r— we look at the summit summit specifically, i do— we look at the summit summit specifically, i do think symbolism _ specifically, i do think symbolism matters. think symbolism matters. i do think hheh— that that showing a united hehh— that that showing a united. hehe—he front, having the photo, i do hhhhh— front, having the photo, i do think.matters_ front, having the photo, i do thinklmatters ._ front, having the photo, i do thinklmatters. it- front, having the photo, i do think matters . it does front, having the photo, i do think matters. it does send think it matters. it does send a eeoe heh— think it matters. it does send a message. now, does it work on hhe— message. now, does it work on hhe uhrehhe— message. now, does it work on the ukraine thing? i'm not eevhhe— the ukraine thing? i'm not eevhho rh— the ukraine thing? i'm not eevhho heh heh— the ukraine thing? i'm not saying i'm not saying that putin is saying i'm not saying that putin he ehhhhhe— saying i'm not saying that putin is sitting there— saying i'm not saying that putin is sitting there in— saying i'm not saying that putin is sitting there in the kremlin ehe— is sitting there in the kremlin ehe euehhhe— is sitting there in the kremlin ehe euehhha hh— is sitting there in the kremlin and quaking in his boots because hhere-e— and quaking in his boots because hheee-eh— and quaking in his boots because there's-of seven- and quaking in his boots because there's of seven leaders there's a photo of seven leaders heehhhg—ghve- there's a photo of seven leaders heehhhg—ehve e- looking united. we give a hehheve— looking united. we give a hehheve-hh.- looking united. we give a monkeys-it. - looking united. we give a monkeys it. �*vvr�*r2tt looking united. we give a- monkeys-it. well , let's be monkeys about it. well, let's be frank because west asian sanctions on russian oil and gas

utterly failed because a few weeks ago , india and brazil did weeks ago, india and brazil did a mess and china did a massive multi—billion deal for the precise commodities that the west tried to block in material. they will always get around it. so what what's happening is that the west is fighting ostensibly a foe with bottomless pockets and like, where do our pockets run dry? i'll put it to you that the british taxpayer has has a right to say, why are you spending all this money on a war far , far away? that's what far, far away? that's what donald trump said , as opposed to donald trump said, as opposed to i can't afford to turn my heating on. well if you take so personally, i think morally it's the right thing to do to be supporting ukraine at this moment in time. but even if you hehe— moment in time. but even if you take-dimension- moment in time. but even if you take-dimension out- moment in time. but even if you take-dimension out ofi take the moral dimension out of it, take the moral dimension out of n, heh-e— take the moral dimension out of n, heh-e heeh— take the moral dimension out of it, let's look at— take the moral dimension out of it, let's look at self—interest. it it, let's look at self—interest. rh he— it, let's look at self—interest. it is.britain's_ it, let's look at self—interest. it is britain's interest to it is in britain's interest to be it is in britain's interest to he her— it is in britain's interest to be for preventing trying to be for preventing or trying to prevehh— be for preventing or trying to prevent countries like russia hrerh— prevent countries like russia hrerh eehhe— prevent countries like russia from doing what they're doing vhhh— from doing what they're doing vhhh hrhhuhhhv— from doing what they're doing vhhh hrhhuhhhv .— from doing what they're doing with impunity . we could argue we with impunity. we could argue we heve— with impunity. we could argue we heve he. — with impunity. we could argue we heve he. he— with impunity. we could argue we have to. we have— with impunity. we could argue we have to. we have to— with impunity. we could argue we have to. we have to keep at it. i have to. we have to keep at it. h hhev— have to. we have to keep at it. h knew he— have to. we have to keep at it. i know it's painful— have to. we have to keep at it. i know it's painful and eheheehv— i know it's painful and expensive, but we don't have a

ehehee— expensive, but we don't have a ehehee. hh— expensive, but we don't have a ehehee. hh hv— expensive, but we don't have a choice, in my view.— expensive, but we don't have a choice, in my view. what about ehhhhhg— choice, in my view. what about ehhhhhg eevh— choice, in my view. what about sitting down with— choice, in my view. what about sitting down with the pair of here — sitting down with the pair of here hehohho— sitting down with the pair of them banging their heads heeehher— them banging their heads together-like- them banging their heads. together-like-did togetherjust like trump did vhhh— togetherjust like trump did vhhh vhhh— togetherjust like trump did with with -jong- togetherjust like trump did with with jong and say, with with kim jong un and say, heeh— with with kim jong un and say, heeh .— with with kim jong un and say, heeh . heh-e— with with kim jong un and say, look , let's just— with with kim jong un and say, look , let's just sit— with with kim jong un and say, look , let's just sit down and look, let's just sit down and eerh— look, let's just sit down and eerh-euh— look, let's just sit down and sort-out and— look, let's just sit down and sort-out and get- look, let's just sit down and sort out and get it done sort this out and get it done hheh— sort this out and get it done hheh vev— sort this out and get it done that way rather— sort this out and get it done that way rather than funding a war that way rather than funding a vhhh— that way rather than funding a war which has— that way rather than funding a war which has a— that way rather than funding a war which has a foe with hhrhhhheee— war which has a foe with limitless pockets , it will just limitless pockets, it will just preheoehe— limitless pockets, it will just preheoehe — limitless pockets, it will just preheoehevver — limitless pockets, it will just propagate war. 2.2 limitless pockets, it will just propagate war. all of us want this war to end and i think supplying endless armaments won't do that. i don't. i don't i don't know why we think a positive outcome would be to say sorry , x million x million sorry, x million x million people in eastern ukraine. you're now russian . no, that's you're now russian. no, that's heh— you're now russian. no, that's not what we said, though . no, not what we said, though. no, no. but that's getting them together to talk and discuss rather than an endless supply of weapons because there will be literally no end in sight. when doesit literally no end in sight. when does it end? the only nana. but when does it end? right. you're going to having these going to keep having these summits, about summits, keep talking about how you're going to carry on supplying i'm with supplying them. now i'm with you. i don't you you. i don't think that you should allow anybody this you. i don't think that you sh anybody. iv anybody this you. i don't think that you sh anybody. i anybody this you. i don't think that you sh anybody. i wouldn't this you. i don't think that you sh anybody. i wouldn't allowthis to anybody. i wouldn't allow bombing country and bombing of another country and just simply sit that's not just simply sit by. that's not the point. does come

the point. there does come a moment, where you've moment, though, where you've got to is to say, hang on a minute, is this achieving anything and all it is doing achieving that this achieving anything and all it is thing achieving that this achieving anything and all it is thing that:hieving that this achieving anything and all it is thing that you'ing that this achieving anything and all it is thing that you wanted: this achieving anything and all it is thing that you wanted it very thing that you wanted it not to to me. constant not to happen to me. constant bombing not to happen to me. constant hehhhhe he— not to happen to me. constant bombing he he— not to happen to me. constant bombing to me. the- not to happen to me. constant bombing to me. the end- not to happen to me. constant bombing to me. the end of bombing to me. the end game of hhhe— bombing to me. the end game of hhhe vhhh— bombing to me. the end game of this, which -wants- bombing to me. the end game of this, which wants could this, which nobody wants could be this, which nobody wants could he—rhehh— this, which nobody wants could he—rhehh hh- be nuclear war right in hiroshima— be nuclear war right in hiroshima ._ be nuclear war right in hiroshima . the i mean this has hiroshima. the i mean this has hheherhe— hiroshima. the i mean this has historic significance. i think going— historic significance. i think we're going down the wrong path. heh— we're going down the wrong path. vheh vheh— we're going down the wrong path. vheh vheh ee— we're going down the wrong path. well what do you— we're going down the wrong path. well what do you think? 62. 2 well what do you think? get your hheuehhe— well what do you think? get your hheuehhe hh— well what do you think? get your thoughts in gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. i'd love to hear. tweet me at gb news. i'd love to hear . do you tweet me at gb news. i'd love to hear. do you think that the g7 is a waste of time? and frankly, do you think we're going the right with regard to this right way with regard to this war? constantly supplying weapons ukraine? love to weapons to ukraine? i'd love to hear thoughts. now hear your thoughts. but now this is story that i read and i is a story that i read and i just thought honestly couldn't just thought i honestly couldn't believe reading it. believe i was reading it. a theatre has urged people theatre has urged white people not to attend a play, saying that its audience should free that its audience should be free from white gaze. now the from the white gaze. now the theatre royal and stratford east said that white visitors should not come and watch one performance of tambo and bones on july the 5th, as they will be holding a special blackout event to explore racial issues . now

to explore racial issues. now the play will be performed in theatres for a month and the move has been met with criticism , obviously with some suggesting that it's actually setting a very poor precedent for future performances. but what do you think? well let's see what my panel of that. andrew panel make of that. andrew williams, commentator panel make of that. andrew willalso, commentator panel make of that. andrew willalso former commentator panel make of that. andrew willalso former brexitimentator panel make of that. andrew willalso former brexit party ator and also former brexit party mep, martin daubney. and also former brexit party mep, martin daubney . martin, i'm mep, martin daubney. martin, i'm going to start with you. the anti—racists new racists anti—racists are the new racists . this is basically apartheid . . this is basically apartheid. rh-e— . this is basically apartheid. it's basically— this is basically apartheid. it's basically stopping somebody hhreugh— it's basically stopping somebody hhreueh hheh— it's basically stopping somebody through their skin— it's basically stopping somebody through their skin colour , which through their skin colour, which is through their skin colour, which he eh— through their skin colour, which is an immutable— through their skin colour, which is an immutable characteristics ehe— is an immutable characteristics ehe hhev— is an immutable characteristics ehe hhev heve— is an immutable characteristics and they have no— is an immutable characteristics and they have no control over. veu-e— and they have no control over. veu-re heh— and they have no control over. you're not allowed— and they have no control over. you're not allowed to come. it's a you're not allowed to come. it's e hhh— you're not allowed to come. it's e hhh hhe— you're not allowed to come. it's a bit like blacks— you're not allowed to come. it's a bit like blacks at— you're not allowed to come. it's a bit like blacks at the back of the a bit like blacks at the back of hhe hue— a bit like blacks at the back of hhe hue huh— a bit like blacks at the back of the bus, but it's— a bit like blacks at the back of the bus, but it's no whites ehevee— the bus, but it's no whites ehevee hh— the bus, but it's no whites allowed in theatres . it's allowed in theatres. it's oreheeeue— allowed in theatres. it's grotesque. they're doing it, of course. so we talk about it . course. so we talk about it. they— course. so we talk about it. hhev vehh— course. so we talk about it. they want people to be outraged . i they want people to be outraged . r hhhhh— they want people to be outraged . rhhhhh hhev— they want people to be outraged . i think they want— they want people to be outraged . i think they want people to be eherv— . i think they want people to be eharv he— . i think they want people to be eharv he heeeh— . i think they want people to be angry to boost ticket sales. rh-e— angry to boost ticket sales. rh-e heverv— angry to boost ticket sales. rh-e heverv .— angry to boost ticket sales. it's tawdry . it's— angry to boost ticket sales. it's tawdry . it's backward it's tawdry. it's a backward eheh. — it's tawdry. it's a backward step. -retrograde - it's tawdry. it's a backward step. retrograde , and it's step. it's retrograde, and it's eheehuhehv— step. it's retrograde, and it's absolutely reprehensible . absolutely reprehensible. i heh-h— absolutely reprehensible. i heh-h hhev— absolutely reprehensible. i don't know whether- absolutely reprehensible. i don't know whether they're doing it to actually boost sales. i actually is actually because this is something in something that goes around in different countries as well. this is like a thing that is done. but i think time to

done. but i think it's time to stop sort of things stop these sort of things because is not right. you because it is not right. you can't have both you can't have it both ways. you can't have it both ways. you can't well, you can't can't say, oh, well, you can't say you no, can't say say, you know, no, you can't say no blacks, but then you can't say whites. you have to you say no whites. you have to you can't have it. both ways. it has to one around it's to be one way around it. it's like lives you like black lives matter. you can't black lives matter. can't have black lives matter. and white lives and then if you say white lives matter, if say matter, that's wrong. if you say it the other way around, it doesn't sound right. then it shouldn't mean, all shouldn't be said. i mean, all i would shouldn't be said. i mean, all i veuhe eev— shouldn't be said. i mean, all i veuhe eev r— shouldn't be said. i mean, all i would say i think— 2 2 e 2 i mean, all i would say i think theatre is for evervhehv— would say i think theatre is for everybody hehhe— would say i think theatre is for everybody, right? absolutely. i heh-h— everybody, right? absolutely. ii ran—war, don't think i don't think. well, not don't think i don't think. well, heh—hhh— don't think i don't think. well, heh—hhh he- don't think i don't think. well, not—this is not- don't think i don't think. well, not—this is not for. not this one. this is not for you. can't go in. i you. you can't go in. i can. i think i'll be all right. i can go in. not that i want to, to be honest with you, i think it's disgusting. i giving disgusting. i think giving everybody equal access to culture i culture is really, really i think culture is hugely undervalued in this country. and whether it's theatre and i think whether it's theatre or and i think whether it's theatre er—hhhe— and i think whether it's theatre er—hhhe hheh-e- and i think whether it's theatre or.the-this, that's- and i think whether it's theatre or the opposite i, that's and i think whether it's theatre or the opposite ofhat's and i think whether it's theatre or the opposite of that. doing the opposite of that. so vheh— doing the opposite of that. so vheh-hheh— doing the opposite of that. so what-think of- doing the opposite of that. so what-think of it? i- doing the opposite of that. so. what-think of it? i mean, what do you think of it? i mean, they're saying black— what do you think of it? i mean, they're saying black out.- r2r2r 7 i mean, they're saying black out. so he— they're saying black out. so hhhe he— they're saying black out. so this is something where if you vehe— this is something where if you vehh. hhev-e— this is something where if you went, they'd -to - this is something where if you went, they'd to well, went, they'd say to you, well, he —ee— went, they'd say to you, well, he —ee heh- went, they'd say to you, well, i'm -are not quite. went, they'd say to you, well,l i'm-are not quite the went, they'd say to you, well, i'm person are not quite the went, they'd say to you, well, i'm person for re not quite the went, they'd say to you, well, i'm person for this.t quite the went, they'd say to you, well, i'm person for this. youite the went, they'd say to you, well, i'm person for this. you can he right person for this. you can come—becausei right person for this. you can. come—because we come in if you like, because we eehh— come in if you like, because we eeh-h huhv— come in if you like, because we can't fully exclude— come in if you like, because we can't fully exclude you. but veuhe— can't fully exclude you. but veuhe heh— can't fully exclude you. but you're not black. �*vvr�*r2tt you're not black. well, i wouldn't they're wouldn't endorse what they're doing. know , it

doing. um, but you know, it does. it doesn't . it doesn't does. it doesn't. it doesn't feel quite right, is what i'd say. it feel quite right, is what i'd say . it doesn't sit well, does say. it doesn't sit well, does it? say. it doesn't sit well, does he heeuee— say. it doesn't sit well, does it? because if— say. it doesn't sit well, does it? because if it— it doesn't sit well, does it? because if it said no whites ehhv— it? because if it said no whites ehhv ehe— it? because if it said no whites ehhv end he— it? because if it said no whites only and no black— it? because if it said no whites only and no black people, i'm hhe— only and no black people, i'm sure the usual— only and no black people, i'm sure the usual suspects like the ehhere— sure the usual suspects like the ehhere veuhe— sure the usual suspects like the others would be _ sure the usual suspects like the others would be there to eehhhehh — others would be there to complain. the- others would be there to complain. the one i'm not heerhhe— complain. the one i'm not hearing much— complain. the one i'm not hearing much from that that hhe— hearing much from that that corner. the one— hearing much from that that corner. 2g corner. the one thing i would say on that i don't think say on that is i don't think it's a i don't think as it's a i don't think it's as straightforward and as a straightforward and as direct a comparison why? because comparison as that. why? because why don't need to why? because i don't need to tell and this as a black tell you and i this as a black woman that black people all for decades , centuries have been decades, centuries have been oppressed, have been marginalised and all of those things. and i think, you know, it's not the same as the outright white racism that it would be the other way round. so hang on a minute. you're re—eeueehhhg— so hang on a minute. you're re—educating me— so hang on a minute. you're re—educating me about the ehhreeeheh— re—educating me about the oppression. no,— re—educating me about the oppression. no, i'm not going to. oppression. no, i'm not going he. heh— oppression. no, i'm not going he. heh rhe— oppression. no, i'm not going to. let me finish.— oppression. no, i'm not going to. let me finish. yeah, well, ehe— to. let me finish. yeah, well, eheleeh-h— to. let me finish. yeah, well, eheleeh-h-he- to. let me finish. yeah, well, andidon't-to be- and i don't want to be indoctrinated- and i don't want to be indoctrinated it, and i don't want to be- indoctrinated-it, actually, and i don't want to be- in whatnated -it, actually, and i don't want to be in whatnated doing actually, and i don't want to be in whatnated doing there. lly, and i don't want to be in whatnated doing there. so is what you're doing there. so hv— is what you're doing there. so no, my ancestors— is what you're doing there. so no, my ancestors people is what you're doing there. so no, myme:estors people is what you're doing there. so no, myme andrrs people is what you're doing there. so no, myme and people hople is what you're doing there. so no, myme and people before me, before me and people before me, hhev— before me and people before me, hhev hev— before me and people before me, hhev rhev veh— before me and people before me, they may well-been- they may well have been rereeeuheh— they may well have been. persecuted. _ so persecuted. i'm not. and so i

heh-h— persecuted. i'm not. and so i heh-h-he— persecuted. i'm not. and so i don't to perpetuate that don't need to perpetuate that herrehhve— don't need to perpetuate that narrative -forward - narrative going forward and eehuehv— narrative going forward and eehuehvlr— narrative going forward and actually, i re—educate actually, if i re—educate people of actually, if i re—educate people eh—ehvhehehi of that narrative of division, hheh— of that narrative of division, then i perpetuate - of that narrative of division, then perpetuate the racism. then i perpetuate the racism. ahe— then i perpetuate the racism. ahe r— then i perpetuate the racism. ahe r hhhhh— then i perpetuate the racism. and i think that's what they're eehhe—hh-el doing here. and i think it's hehehv— doing here. and i think it's totally unacceptable . and totally unacceptable. and it's hhhereehhhg— totally unacceptable. and it's interesting should say interesting that you should say ,_rtaa- interesting that you should say ,_r,r.a heehhel interesting that you should say. ,_black people had , well, because black people had it , well, because black people had hh hee— , well, because black people had hh hee herv— , well, because black people had it bad many decades ago, it's for it bad many decades ago, it's her ehev— it bad many decades ago, it's her ehev hheh— it bad many decades ago, it's for okay them to— it bad many decades ago, it's for okay them to do it to us. it heh-h— for okay them to do it to us. it heh-h ehev— for okay them to do it to us. it isn't okay because— for okay them to do it to us. it isn't okay because it creates racism . itself. _ isn't okay because it creates racism itself. and racism in itself. and that's vheh-e— racism in itself. and that's what's-happen. racism in itself. and that's- what's-happen because what's going to happen because hheh—eeer- what's going to happen because hheh—deer he- that then opens the door to people— that then opens the door to teeth being— that then opens the door to people being able to discriminate based on the colour of discriminate based on the colour eh—eeee— discriminate based on the colour eh—eeee hehh- discriminate based on the colour of_goes both ways. i of skin. and it goes both ways. ahe— of skin. and it goes both ways. and hheh— of skin. and it goes both ways. and that ain't— of skin. and it goes both ways. and that ain't good. 2 2 2 e and that ain't good. i didn't say— and that ain't good. i didn't eev hhe— and that ain't good. i didn't eev hh-e ehev— and that ain't good. i didn't say it's okay, i didn't say it was and i agree. i don't was okay. and i agree. i don't think it's okay, but i don't think it's okay, but i don't think make direct think that we can make direct comparisons in the way i think we can. it's quite t 2 it's quite straightforward. we can. it's quite- straightforward. martin we can. it's quite— straightforward. martin it's great to hear you say that because, you know, i think there's a lot of white splaining going on about white people taking offence on behalf of black people. the theatre is ostensibly lovely land. it's middle class, privileged white people who who run the roost and here we here we have a narrative that plays out, you know, to the

fawning middle classes. that plays out, you know, to the fawning middle classes . when you fawning middle classes. when you say theatre should be open to all, this is the precise opposite. it it's apartheid. it's being made to feel. and so how would you feel as a white person to go there? what as an act of protest? you've been told not to go. you're not welcome. that to the 1930. it's that is back to the 1930. it's back to the jim crow era. it's completely utterly completely and utterly ridiculous. well well, thank you verv— ridiculous. well well, thank you verv much— ridiculous. well well, thank you verv hueh her— ridiculous. well well, thank you very much for-well,- ridiculous. well well, thank you very much for-well, we- very much for that. well, we heve— very much for that. well, we have _theatre i very much for that. well, we. have _theatre for have contacted the theatre for comment,-have- comment, but they have previously— comment, but they have previously and previously said that tambo and bones— previously said that tambo and bones stage— previously said that tambo and bones stage at— previously said that tambo and bones stage at stratford east is a-play_ bones stage at stratford east is a-plav ,— bones stage at stratford east is a-plav , a_ bones stage at stratford east is a-ptay , a same- bones stage at stratford east is a play , a satire which a bold new play, a satire which actively— a bold new play, a satire which actively explores— a bold new play, a satire which actively explores race and what it actively explores race and what ulte— actively explores race and what nlto be— actively explores race and what itlto be black.— actively explores race and what itlto be black. we- actively explores race and what it to be black. we have it is to be black. we have enosen— it is to be black. we have enosen no— it is to be black. we have chosen to embrace this initiative— chosen to embrace this initiative for- chosen to embrace this initiative for one performance during— initiative for one performance dunno-noos— initiative for one performance during play's month long run during the play's month long run as o for— during the play's month long run as o for space— during the play's month long run as a for space black audiences to exonenene— as a for space black audiences to experience the— as a for space black audiences to experience the play as a community,— to experience the play as a community, and— to experience the play as a community, and on the theatre's website,— community, and on the theatre's website in— community, and on the theatre's website, it also— community, and on the theatre's website, it also says that no is— website, it also says that no one is excluded— website, it also says that no one is excluded .- website, it also says that no one is excluded . oh well, let's one is excluded. oh well, let's move on to this— one is excluded. oh well, let's move on to this big story. enun— move on to this big story. phillip schofield now he says onen— phillip schofield now he says one ne-s— phillip schofield now he says that he's agreed— phillip schofield now he says that he's agreed to step down non— that he's agreed to step down from nv-s— that he's agreed to step down from itv's flagship daytime show this from itv's flagship daytime show ens morning— from itv's flagship daytime show this morning with— from itv's flagship daytime show this morning with immediate eenen— this morning with immediate effect .— this morning with immediate eneen . nv— this morning with immediate effect . itv have— this morning with immediate effect . itv have confirmed that effect. itv have confirmed that he effect. itv have confirmed that ne non-n— effect. itv have confirmed that ne non-o ne— effect. itv have confirmed that he won't be returning despite

eno— he won't be returning despite two decades— he won't be returning despite two decades at— he won't be returning despite two decades at the helm with loss— two decades at the helm with last thursday's— two decades at the helm with last thursday's show being his nines— last thursday's show being his final appearance— last thursday's show being his final appearance as co—host, holly— final appearance as co—host, holly willoughby will not be leaving. — holly willoughby will not be leaving. she's— holly willoughby will not be leaving. she's responded, saying onen— leaving. she's responded, saying one one— leaving. she's responded, saying one one sonn— leaving. she's responded, saying that the sofa won't feel the same without _ that the sofa won't feel the same without what do that the sofa won't feel the- same without-what do you same without him. so what do you none— same without him. so what do you none-oenonnnee— same without him. so what do you make departure? and make of his departure? and eenen,— actually, should holly go as neu— actually, should holly go as neu e— actually, should holly go as neu e wen,— actually, should holly go as well .7 well, what you actually, should holly go as well ? well, what you think? well? well, what do you think? nee-s— well? well, what do you think? nee-s ask— well? well, what do you think? let's ask andrew— well? well, what do you think? let's ask andrew that. do you onene— let's ask andrew that. do you onink holly— let's ask andrew that. do you think holly should well 14 think holly should go? well 14 years— think holly should go? well 14 yearsla— think holly should go? well 14 yearsla ven— think holly should go? well 14 yearsla very long- think holly should go? well 14 years a very long to be years is a very long time to be onesennng— years is a very long time to be onesennng-nne- years is a very long time to be presenting the biggest presenting probably the biggest ooynne— presenting probably the biggest ooynne w— presenting probably the biggest ooynne nv-in— presenting probably the biggest daytime tv in country. daytime tv show in the country. and— daytime tv show in the country. ann i— daytime tv show in the country. ann i non-o— daytime tv show in the country. and i don't know— daytime tv show in the country. and i don't know whether- daytime tv show in the country. and i don't know whether the sort of antipathy that has built up towards holly and phil is about both of them or just phil? i think we'll wait and see now that phil's removed from the equation. would say, equation. what i would say, i think it's interesting that quite of celebrities, quite a number of celebrities, including your colleague eamonn holmes , have been pretty holmes, have been pretty critical of philip's schofield and so whether or not, as i say, whether or not that's a holly and phil thing or a phil thing, i think remains to be seen. martin so i worked on itv this morning— martin so i worked on itv this morning for— martin so i worked on itv this morning for o— martin so i worked on itv this morning for a number of years. money,— morning for a number of years. obviously,-lawyer- morning for a number of years. obviously, lawyer going obviously, your lawyer is going to obviously, your lawyer is going io-ineir— obviously, your lawyer is going to _their-triggersj to be having their hair triggers outr— to be having their hair triggers oen-very— to be having their hair triggers out,-very careful,- to be having their hair triggers out, very careful, all out, so be very careful, all nnoi— out, so be very careful, all nnoilsoy,— out, so be very careful, all

whatisay, but— out, so be very careful, all what say, but let's just say what i say, but let's just say is— what i say, but let's just say ii-slonen— what i say, but let's just say it's-open secret- what i say, but let's just say it's open secret and it's it's an open secret and it's been— it's an open secret and it's been in— it's an open secret and it's been in ine— it's an open secret and it's been in the press. in actual rosi— been in the press. in actual ioei ,— been in the press. in actual ioei , inor— been in the press. in actual fact , that-was- been in the press. in actual fact , that was enjoying fact, that philip was enjoying a reioiionsnio— fact, that philip was enjoying a relationship with— fact, that philip was enjoying a relationship with somebody that was inappropriate and perhaps nnoi-s— was inappropriate and perhaps what's happening is now this is all what's happening is now this is oii coming— what's happening is now this is oii conning io— what's happening is now this is all coming to light and we can't go noen— all coming to light and we can't go been in— all coming to light and we can't go back in time— all coming to light and we can't go back in time. _ all coming to light and we can't go back in time . sii�*flifi go back in time. um, so there's no there's no real record of it right now. i mean, no one's talking about that yet. so we have to wait and see as to what, what comes out. well so there's no out there. it's been no it is out there. it's been it's no it is out there. it's been is been— no it is out there. it's been it's been reported- no it is out there. it's been it's been reported in- g srzrrz; it's been it's been reported in the press inor— it's been reported in the press inoi ne— it's been reported in the press inoi ne noi— it's been reported in the press that he had somebody he was wen,— that he had somebody he was wgg, wen,— that he had somebody he was well, well, that's— that he had somebody he was well, well, that's not confirmed. - well, well, that's not confirmed. ' r: well, well, that's not confirmed. r: f well, well, that's not- confirmed. and actually, he's not to defend so not here to defend himself. so we'll that. we need we we'll leave that. we need we need,— we'll leave that. we need we need, os— we'll leave that. we need we need, as i— we'll leave that. we need we need, as i soy,— we'll leave that. we need we need, as i say, you— cc we need we need, as i say, you know, i know even/thingi— need, as i say, you know, i know everythingr yon— need, as i say, you know, i know everything, you know, like ieiieoie— everything, you know, like. delicate, _ unfolds everything, you know, like- delicate,_unfolds in delicate, everything unfolds in its delicate, everything unfolds in iis—so- delicate, everything unfolds in iis—so ne- delicate, everything unfolds in its—so we have. delicate, everything unfolds ini its—so we have to its true course. so we have to wait see those things wait and see what those things are. . but come back are. we do. but if we come back to holly , suspect. should she to holly, i suspect. should she go well ? i to holly, i suspect. should she go well? i suspect to holly, i suspect. should she go well ? i suspect in this go as well? i suspect in this ii-s— go as well? i suspect in this case, it's kind— go as well? i suspect in this case, it's kind of— grin , i suspect in this case, it's kind of being it's jumping— case, it's kind of being it's jumping before— case, it's kind of being it's jumping before you pushed and to ine— jumping before you pushed and to ine snow,— jumping before you pushed and to save the show, holly , she must

save the show, holly, she must nove— save the show, holly, she must nove known— save the show, holly, she must have known what's been going on. rinsi— have known what's been going on. iinsi nore. — have known what's been going on. must have. well,— have known what's been going on. must have. well, no,— have known what's been going on. must have. will er?“ . must have. well, no, you can't say that. you can't know what somebody else. you can't say that somebody knows what somebody else knows. so that's not like in her defence. she's not like in her defence. she's not here to defend herself, but she. you can't say that. oh, you must known because must have known that because so and you know there and so because you know there are people have affairs and the last to find out it last person to find out about it with person with them. so i with person is with them. so i don't that that i've don't think that that well, i've worked with necessarily the case. i've them, you case. i've worked with them, you know,— case. i've worked with them, you noon-ion— case. i've worked with them, you knon,-ioi oni— case. i've worked with them, you know,-lot and i- f i've worked with them, you know, lot and i suspect know, both a lot and i suspect inor— know, both a lot and i suspect inoi inis— know, both a lot and i suspect one one is— know, both a lot and i suspect that this is a— know, both a lot and i suspect that this is a move to save the snow.— that this is a move to save the snow. ani— that this is a move to save the show. and holly— that this is a move to save the show. and holly will stay and somebody— show. and holly will stay and somebody new— show. and holly will stay and somebody new will come in and iney-ii— somebody new will come in and iney-ii ne— somebody new will come in and they'll be continuum and they'll just they'll be continuum and they'll insi in— they'll be continuum and they'll insi in one— they'll be continuum and they'll insi in one io— they'll be continuum and they'll just try and do this quietly. weir.— just try and do this quietly. vieii. i— just try and do this quietly. well, i mean,— just try and do this quietly. well, i mean, philip- just try and do this quietly. well, i mean, philip himself said he's stepping aside because obviously the programme is getting than the actual getting bigger than the actual the actual content of the channel of the show . so he channel of the show. so he doesn't want to detract from that. but it will be interesting. so your final thoughts that thoughts on do you think that holly go ? i think i think holly should go? i think i think she holly should go? i think i think sne i— holly should go? i think i think sne i inink— holly should go? i think i think she i think she— holly should go? i think i think she i think she will—

: 937 i think i think she i think she will stay. i especi— she i think she will stay. i expect they'll— she i think she will stay. i expect they'll pair her up with aiison— expect they'll pair her up with alison hammond— expect they'll pair her up with alison hammond or dermot o'learyr— alison hammond or dermot o-ieory, nno— alison hammond or dermot o'leary, who both by all accounts-very- o'leary, who both by all accounts very popular. o'leary, who both by all accountvery very popular. o'leary, who both by all accountvery good, popular. o'leary, who both by all accountvery good, very jlar. o'leary, who both by all accountvery good, very good they're very good, very good reorie— people, very good professionals. so people, very good professionals. so-ine— people, very good professionals. so-ine snow— people, very good professionals. so-the show will- people, very good professionals. so the show will go on. so i expect the show will go on. and— so i expect the show will go on. and-vou— so i expect the show will go on. ann-yon rhini— so i expect the show will go on. and-you think she— so i expect the show will go on. and-you think she should- so i expect the show will go on. and you think she should go? and do you think she should go? i, i know holly. i think she niii— i, i know holly. i think she niii stav— i, i know holly. i think she niii sioy .— i, i know holly. i think she will stay . they— i think she will stay . they survive. qg8. will stay. they survive. qg8. ves— will stay. they survive. qg8. res .— will stay. they survive. qg8. res . i— will stay. they survive. qg8. yes . i suspect— will stay. they survive. qg8. yes . i suspect she will ride yes. i suspect she will ride inis— yes. i suspect she will ride one one— yes. i suspect she will ride this one out— yes. i suspect she will ride this one out and- yes. i suspect she will ride this one out and carry on. but i inink— this one out and carry on. but i inink ine— this one out and carry on. but i think the integrity— this one out and carry on. but i think the integrity of the show is noiei— think the integrity of the show is holed below— think the integrity of the show is holed below the bar, below ine— is holed below the bar, below ine nein— is holed below the bar, below ine nein .— is holed below the bar, below ine nein . i— is holed below the bar, below the helm . i do.— is holed below the bar, below the helm . i do. i— is holed below the bar, below the helm . i do. i think now the helm. i do. i think now inere-s— the helm. i do. i think now inere-s o— the helm. i do. i think now there's a culture- the helm. i do. i think now there's a culture of staying sienn— there's a culture of staying siieni, oni— there's a culture of staying silent, and i— there's a culture of staying silent, and i think that's not good— silent, and i think that's not good for— silent, and i think that's not good for any.— silent, and i think that's not good for any. well, there seems to good for any. well, there seems io ie. — good for any. well, there seems io be. i— good for any. well, there seems io ie. ionini— good for any. well, there seems to be. i think what— good for any. well, there seems to be. i think what it- good for any. well, there seems to be. e : ”iii; to be. i think what it does feel like is it's almost like a culture of complacency and that they've been there for too long. you you've been you know, when you've been something long that something for so long that you're of the you're literally part of the furniture you're almost furniture and you're almost immovable, that that's furniture and you're almost immckinda, that that's furniture and you're almost immckinda, happened. that's furniture and you're almost immckinda, happened. thatthen what kind of happened. and then they become slightly overconfident things. overconfident with things. and so, qg8 was good so, for example, qg8 was a good example know , perhaps example of, you know, perhaps thinking that you are more than you are, that you can take that kind behaviour and see that kind of behaviour and see that as . but certainly as acceptable. but it certainly wasn't. that wasn't. and i'm surprised that they didn't go sooner. but

listen , what are your thoughts listen, what are your thoughts on that? gb views gb news .uk. as ever , i love to hear your as ever, i love to hear your thoughts on everything so keep all those coming because all of those coming because we've the i've we've got loads on the way. i've got my monologue where i'll be talking whole thing talking about this whole thing with and of course, with the theatre and of course, martin and andrew will be with me hello there . welcome to me then. hello there. welcome to your gb me then. hello there. welcome to your on news— me then. hello there. welcome to your gb news weather— sig" signg welcome to your gb news weather forecast iron— your gb news weather forecast iron ine — your gb news weather forecast iron ine iner— your gb news weather forecast from the met office. i'm craig sneii.— from the met office. i'm craig sneii. ire-re— from the met office. i'm craig snell. we're looking ahead to the snell. we're looking ahead to ine week— snell. we're looking ahead to the week ahead. _ snell. we're looking ahead to the week ahead. most us, the week ahead. for most of us, it the week ahead. for most of us, ii snonii— the week ahead. for most of us, ii snonii ne— the week ahead. for most of us, it should be mainly dry with sorneor—l it should be mainly dry withi some spells of sunshine or a rifle— some spells of sunshine or a rime-rein— some spells of sunshine or a little-rain-time. some spells of sunshine or aj little-rain-time to little bit of rain from time to rime— little bit of rain from time to iirne across— little bit of rain from time to time across scotland and women— northern ireland. and that's reorg— northern ireland. and that's reoiiy non— northern ireland. and that's really how going to end really how we're going to end the really how we're going to end rne-iie— really how we're going to end the _we still- really how we're going to end. the-we still-this the weekend. we still have this soro— the weekend. we still have this eoii nonr— the weekend. we still have this cold front here. _ the weekend. we still have this cold front here. weaken cold front here. it will weaken as cold front here. it will weaken os—iionioy- cold front here. it will weaken os—iionioy osl cold front here. it will weaken. as_monday as this as we head into monday as this area of high pressure really begins— area of high pressure really begins dominate across the begins to dominate across the iinirei— begins to dominate across the united kingdom.— begins to dominate across the united kingdom. we united kingdom. but before we get united kingdom. but before we ger—eon— united kingdom. but before we ger—eon see- united kingdom. but before we ger—eon ir- united kingdom. but before we get can see it across get there, you can see it across nonnern— get there, you can see it across northern _scotlandl northern ireland and scotland as we northern ireland and scotland as gig-sunday.— northern ireland and scotland as we sunday. probably the we end sunday. probably the most nersisieni— we end sunday. probably the most persistent—eastern- persistent rain across eastern scoring— persistent rain across eastern scotland, where _ persistent rain across eastern scotland, where further south, across england— scotland, where further south, across england and wales, lots of across england and wales, lots oi-skies— across england and wales, lots of-skies around,- of clear skies around, esgeeioiiy— of clear skies around, especially towards of clear skies around, especially .towards west especially out towards the west , inr— especially out towards the west , en mar— especially out towards the west , but that - allow- especially out towards the west , but that-allow it- especially out towards the west , but that allow it to , but that could allow it to ruin— , but that could allow it to ruin-eniiiy. - , but that could allow it to turn _chilly. so - , but that could allow it to turn chilly. so just like turn quite chilly. so just like rosi— turn quite chilly. so just like iosi nigni,— turn quite chilly. so just like last night, we— turn quite chilly. so just like last night, we could see temperatures— last night, we could see temperatures as 1 last night, we could see temperatures-as1 2 temperatures as low as 1 or 2 degrees—prone- temperatures as low as 1 or 2. degrees—prone spots degrees across some prone spots of degrees across some prone spots oi orgies— degrees across some prone spots oi orgies-ine— degrees across some prone spots

of wales the midlands. but of wales and the midlands. but for of wales and the midlands. but ior nosi— of wales and the midlands. but ior nosi, os— of wales and the midlands. but for most, as we— of wales and the midlands. but for most, as we start the new working— for most, as we start the new working ween— for most, as we start the new working week, it— for most, as we start the new working week, it should be ioiriy— working week, it should be ioiriy gniei. — working week, it should be fairly quiet. -of- working week, it should be fairly quiet. of the fairly quiet. best of the snnsnine— fairly quiet. best of the sunshine will- fairly quiet. best of the sunshine will be initially across many— sunshine will be initially across many western parts of the uk across many western parts of the iii .— across many western parts of the iii . oni— across many western parts of the uk . out towards— across many western parts of the uk . out towards the east we have uk. out towards the east we have ion— uk. out towards the east we have some low cloud— uk. out towards the east we have some low cloud coming in from the some low cloud coming in from ine nonn— some low cloud coming in from the north-still— some low cloud coming in from the north-still the- some low cloud coming in from the north still the risk of the north sea still the risk of the north sea still the risk of ine oin— the north sea still the risk of ine oii spoi— the north sea still the risk of the odd spot of— the north sea still the risk of the odd spot of rain too, for seni— the odd spot of rain too, for eastern-but- the odd spot of rain too, for eastern-but as. the odd spot of rain too, for eastern but as we the odd spot of rain too, for. eastern-but as we go eastern scotland. but as we go inrongn—ine- eastern scotland. but as we go inrongn—ine iool through the course of the day, nosi— through the course of the day, nosilsnonii— through the course of the day, mostlshould be— through the course of the day, most should be dry. could through the course of the day, mossee should be dry. could through the course of the day, mossee theild be dry. could through the course of the day, mossee the odde dry. could through the course of the day, mossee the odd showerould through the course of the day, mos see the odd shower across just see the odd shower across ine— just see the odd shower across ine very— just see the odd shower across ine very ior— just see the odd shower across the very far north— just see the odd shower across the very far north of scotland. ini— the very far north of scotland. our in— the very far north of scotland. our in ine— the very far north of scotland. but in the sunshine, feeling gieosoniiy— pleasantly warm, could see highs reoening— pleasantly warm, could see highs reaching-possibly- pleasantly warm, could see highs reaching possibly 24 reaching 23 or possibly 24 degrees— reaching 23 or possibly 24 degrees towards the degrees down towards the sonin—nesi— degrees down towards the south—west but please note south—west but please do note nign— south—west but please do note nigniiereis— south—west but please do note nigniieveis ii— south—west but please do note high-levels if you- south—west but please do note high levels if you are out high uv levels if you are out one— high uv levels if you are out one oioni— high uv levels if you are out and about into— high uv levels if you are out and about into the evening. a iine— and about into the evening. a iine eni— and about into the evening. a iine eni io— and about into the evening. a fine end to the— and about into the evening. a fine end to the day for most eonii— fine end to the day for most eonii insi— fine end to the day for most could just see— fine end to the day for most could just see the odd shower ine— could just see the odd shower across the pennines. but that snonii— across the pennines. but that snonii they— across the pennines. but that should they should quickly oisoggeor— should they should quickly disappear-ne— should they should quickly disappear we head the disappear as we head into the snori— disappear as we head into the small-tuesday- disappear as we head into the small tuesday morning. small hours of tuesday morning. ani— small hours of tuesday morning. and ior— small hours of tuesday morning. and ior many— small hours of tuesday morning. and ior nony ,— small hours of tuesday morning. and for many , largely clear and for many, largely clear skies— and for many, largely clear skies niii— and for many, largely clear skies will allow— and for many, largely clear skies will allow another fairly eniiiy— skies will allow another fairly eniiiy nigni— skies will allow another fairly chilly night for— skies will allow another fairly chilly night for the time of year.— chilly night for the time of year. our— chilly night for the time of year. but most— chilly night for the time of year. but most towns and cities snonii— year. but most towns and cities snonii noisi— year. but most towns and cities should hold up— year. but most towns and cities should hold up around 10 to 11 degrees.— should hold up around 10 to 11 degrees. so— should hold up around 10 to 11 degrees. so we— should hold up around 10 to 11 degrees. so we start tuesday on onoiner— degrees. so we start tuesday on onoiner sunny— degrees. so we start tuesday on another sunny note, the eoeegiion — another sunny note, the exception really the very far nonn— exception really the very far nonn oi— exception really the very far north of scotland, where we'll

eoniinne— north of scotland, where we'll eoniinne io — north of scotland, where we'll continue to see— north of scotland, where we'll continue to see the risk of some croni— continue to see the risk of some eioni oni— continue to see the risk of some eioni one some— continue to see the risk of some cloud and some outbreaks of rin— cloud and some outbreaks of ani— cloud and some outbreaks of rain. and that— cloud and some outbreaks of rain. and that really continues as we go— rain. and that really continues as we go inro— rain. and that really continues as we go into wednesday and inwsiow. — as we go into wednesday and thursday. always— as we go into wednesday and thursday. always the best of the snnsinne— thursday. always the best of the sunshine, probably— thursday. always the best of the sunshine, probably down towards the sunshine, probably down towards ine sowin— sunshine, probably down towards ine sonin oni— sunshine, probably down towards the south and in— sunshine, probably down towards the south and in the sunshine, ieeiing— the south and in the sunshine, ieeiing worn— the south and in the sunshine, feeling warm with highs goieniioiiw— feeling warm with highs potentially reaching the mid 20s by potentially reaching the mid 20s by--_

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danny kelly and also former tory councillor claire pearsall. before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. good afternoon. it's 4:01. i'm rav— good afternoon. it's 4:01. i'm new addison— good afternoon. it's 4:01. i'm ray addison in— good afternoon. it's 4:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top ray addison in the newsroom. our ion siow— ray addison in the newsroom. our rog siorw inis— ray addison in the newsroom. our top story this hour,— ray addison in the newsroom. our top story this hour, opposition ieoiers— top story this hour, opposition ieoiers ore— top story this hour, opposition leaders are calling for an investigation— leaders are calling for an investigation after it emerged inor— investigation after it emerged inoi ine— investigation after it emerged that the home— investigation after it emerged that the home secretary tried to ovoid— that the home secretary tried to avoid incurring— that the home secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her driving— avoid incurring points on her driving licence— avoid incurring points on her driving licence for speeding insi— driving licence for speeding last summer— driving licence for speeding last summer .— driving licence for speeding last summer. the sunday times renons— last summer. the sunday times regons inor— last summer. the sunday times reports that suella— last summer. the sunday times reports that suella braverman asked— reports that suella braverman osiei o— reports that suella braverman asked a civil— reports that suella braverman asked a civil servant to organise— asked a civil servant to organise o— asked a civil servant to organise a 1— asked a civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course instead. shadow none— awareness course instead. shadow none seereiow— awareness course instead. shadow home secretary yvette cooper ieseriiei— home secretary yvette cooper described the _ home secretary yvette cooper described the allegations as snowing,— described the allegations as shocking, saying that mrs. braverman's— shocking, saying that mrs. braverman's role is to uphold ine— braverman's role is to uphold ine row— braverman's role is to uphold ine iow oni— braverman's role is to uphold the law and yet— braverman's role is to uphold the law and yet she abused her nosiiion— the law and yet she abused her gosiiion io— the law and yet she abused her gosiiion ro gei— the law and yet she abused her position to get around it. when asked— position to get around it. when asked oioni— position to get around it. when asked about the _ position to get around it. when asked about the claims, the nine— asked about the claims, the prime minister— asked about the claims, the prime minister declined to owiiieiw— prime minister declined to publicly defend her. i don't know— publicly defend her. i don't know ine— publicly defend her. i don't know the full— publicly defend her. i don't know the full details of what nos— know the full details of what nos noggeneg— know the full details of what has happened, nor have i spoken to has happened, nor have i spoken io ine— has happened, nor have i spoken io ine none— has happened, nor have i spoken to the home secretary. i think you— to the home secretary. i think you son— to the home secretary. i think

you can see firsthand what i've been doing over the last day or so. but i understand that she's expressed regret for speeding, accepted penalty and paid accepted the penalty and paid the fine . well, on the final day the fine. well, on the final day of the fine. well, on the final day oi ine— the fine. well, on the final day oi ine ei— the fine. well, on the final day of the g7 summit— the fine. well, on the final day of the g7 summit in— �*" well, on the final day of the g7 summit in japan , world of the g7 summit in japan, world ieoiers— of the g7 summit in japan, world ieoiers newe— of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders have set— of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders have set out their plans to leaders have set out their plans io rookie— leaders have set out their plans to tackle aggression from china. nine— to tackle aggression from china. prime minister— to tackle aggression from china. prime minister rishi sunak said inor— prime minister rishi sunak said no neg-ing— prime minister rishi sunak said that beijing poses the biggest enoiienge— that beijing poses the biggest enoiienge io— that beijing poses the biggest challenge to global security , challenge to global security, being— challenge to global security, ieing ine— challenge to global security, ieing rne onw— challenge to global security, being the only country with both the being the only country with both ine neons— being the only country with both the means and— being the only country with both the means and intent to reshape the means and intent to reshape ine worki— the means and intent to reshape the world order— the means and intent to reshape the world order .— the means and intent to reshape the world order . us president the world order. us president joe the world order. us president roe eigen— the world order. us president roe nioen sows— the world order. us president joe biden says there's complete rwesoie— joe biden says there's complete rwesoie oni— joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity— joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity within the g7 to resolve and unity within the g7 io eeorisg— resolve and unity within the g7 to recognise china— resolve and unity within the g7 to recognise china and re eeorisg— to recognise china and re recognise china and reduce the risk— recognise china and reduce the risk io— recognise china and reduce the risk to international security . risk to international security. vie-re— risk to international security. were noi— risk to international security. we're not looking— risk to international security. we're not looking to- risk to international security. we're not looking to decouple from china. we're looking to de—risk and diversify our relationship with china . that relationship with china. that means taking steps to diversify our supply chains and we're not so we're not dependent any one country for necessary products. it means resisting economic coercion together and countering

harmful practises that hurt our workers. it means protect a narrow set of advanced technologies critical for our national security . arnie. the national security. arnie. the president of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peaceful sevilla has the potential to prevent future wars. he's thanked western oiiies— wars. he's thanked western oiiies ior— wars. he's thanked western allies for their— he's thanked western allies for their ongoing swoon,— allies for their ongoing support, including receiving anerieon— support, including receiving american made— support, including receiving american made f—16 jets and the inning— american made f—16 jets and the iroining oi— american made f—16 jets and the training of ukrainian pilots. voioownw— training of ukrainian pilots. volodymyr zelenskyy also iisnissei— volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims that the russian— dismissed claims that the russian mercenary wagner group has russian mercenary wagner group nos cornered— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the city of inking.— has captured the city of noknnni. — has captured the city of bakhmut. i- has captured the city of bakhmut. f" has captured the city of bakhmut. f has captured the city of- bakhmut. i cannot share with has captured the city of— bakhmut. i cannot share with you the tactical views of our military, of our warriors , but military, of our warriors, but as of today, we can see that the country which dozens times is bigger than we are, cannot occupy us, cannot to win in this war. now, our people are accomplishing a very important mission . they are now in bakhmut mission. they are now in bakhmut . i will not share where exactly , but it witnesses that bakhmut

is not occupied by russian federation. as of today , there federation. as of today, there are no 2 or 3 interpretations of those words in erskine in scotland, a demonstration has been taking place to show support for asylum seekers. the scottish trades union the scottish trades union conference nein— scottish trades union conference neii o— scottish trades union conference neii o roiiw— scottish trades union conference held a rally outside a hotel wnien— held a rally outside a hotel which houses— held a rally outside a hotel which houses asylum seekers. ris— which houses asylum seekers. ii-s sonne— which houses asylum seekers. it's come under— which houses asylum seekers. it's come under fire from far rigni— it's come under fire from far rigni groups— it's come under fire from far rigni groups in— it's come under fire from far right groups in recent months. eeneroi— right groups in recent months. general secretary— right groups in recent months. general secretary for the iineoiion— general secretary for the education institute of scotland , andree— education institute of scotland , andrea bradley,— education institute of scotland , andrea bradley, says she wants eeonrwe— , andrea bradley, says she wants eeonrwe io— , andrea bradley, says she wants everyone to feel— , andrea bradley, says she wants everyone to feel welcome . e everyone to feel welcome. it's a very— everyone to feel welcome. it's a very sierr— everyone to feel welcome. it's a wen eienr oni— everyone to feel welcome. it's a very clear and simple message and that is that refugees are welcome here. refugees and oswinn— welcome here. refugees and asylum seekers— welcome here. refugees and asylum seekers are- f igng refugees and asylum seekers are most welcome nee.— asylum seekers are most welcome nere. — asylum seekers are most welcome nere. wie— asylum seekers are most welcome here. we completely— asylum seekers are most welcome here. e. here. we completely understand the difficulties and the, you know, the real challenge is that refugees and asylum seekers face. and we do not want seoiioni— face. and we do not want scotland to _ face. and we do not want scotland to be— face. and we do not want scotland to be a- f and we do not want scotland to be a hostile environment— scotland to be a hostile environment for them whatsoever. we environment for them whatsoever. ire wani— environment for them whatsoever. we want scotland— environment for them whatsoever. we want scotland to a place we want scotland to be a place of we want scotland to be a place oi soieiw— we want scotland to be a place oi soieiw oni— we want scotland to be a place of safety and sanctuary and weioe— of safety and sanctuary and welcome people who are welcome for people who are green— welcome for people who are already traumatised, already at risk in— already traumatised, already at risk inisons— already traumatised, already at risk in.sorts of— already traumatised, already at risk in sorts of ways and we risk in all sorts of ways and we do risk in all sorts of ways and we no noi— risk in all sorts of ways and we no noi wisn— risk in all sorts of ways and we do not wish when— risk in all sorts of ways and we do not wish when they are, when new— do not wish when they are, when

new — do not wish when they are, when new in— do not wish when they are, when they are in scotland as asylum seekers— they are in scotland as asylum seekers-refugees— they are in scotland as asylum seekers refugees to seekers or refugees them to be putlanv_ seekers or refugees them to be gwrlonw risk— seekers or refugees them to be put any risk whatsoever . put at any risk whatsoever. the enrironnneni— put at any risk whatsoever. the environment secretary says scrapping eu laws would boost the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. a number of brussels regulations that were retained after brexit will be dropped as part of the retained eu law bill, including some that impact the wine sector. therese coffey says it will reduce unnecessary red tape, allowing the industry to thrive . there the industry to thrive. there are about 400 pages- the industry to thrive. there are about 400 pages of- are about 400 pages of regulations— are about 400 pages of regulations handling wine. it's becoming— regulations handling wine. it's becoming o— regulations handling wine. it's becoming a thriving industry in this becoming a thriving industry in iniseonnirw — becoming a thriving industry in this country. i; becoming a thriving industry in this country. g g this country. english sparkling wine particularly. indeed, and one wine particularly. indeed, and oi— wine particularly. indeed, and oi ine— wine particularly. indeed, and one of the things— wine particularly. indeed, and one of the things that- f indeed, and one of the things that we're going— one of the things that we're doing is— one of the things that we're doing is simplifying all of inor— doing is simplifying all of inoi, geiring— doing is simplifying all of that, getting rid of some of the unnecessary bureaucracy, which we-eonii— unnecessary bureaucracy, which we-eonii sowe- unnecessary bureaucracy, which we-could save up- unnecessary bureaucracy, which we could save up to we believe could save up to soeo— we believe could save up to nose on— we believe could save up to nose oii o— we believe could save up to £0.50 off a bottle of fizz. so inoi-s— £0.50 off a bottle of fizz. so inns—ior- £0.50 off a bottle of fizz. so. that's—for consumers £0.50 off a bottle of fizz. so- that's_for consumers. that's good news for consumers. ini— that's good news for consumers. err is— that's good news for consumers. err is o— that's good news for consumers. err is o ior— that's good news for consumers. but it's a lot of— that's good news for consumers. but it's a lot of this is really oioni— but it's a lot of this is really about deregulating and making inor— about deregulating and making no we— about deregulating and making sure that we still— about deregulating and making sure that we still have good gwoiiiw— sure that we still have good quality products— sure that we still have good quality products people can quality products that people can enjoy— quality products that people can enjov_- - quality products that people can eniow—. inis- quality products that people can eniow—. iiis is| enjoy in this country. this is gb enjoy in this country. this is on news.— enjoy in this country. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it now let's get back it happens. now let's get back

to . to nana. thank to nana.- i thank you, to nana.- . thank you, ray. is none.— . thank you, ray. it is none.— - thank you, ray. it is to nana. thank you, ray. it is fast - thank you, ray. it is fast oggrooehng— . thank you, ray. it is fast opprooening. six— thank you, ray. it is fast approaching. six minutes after esoe.— approaching. six minutes after esoe-is— approaching. six minutes after woo-is en— approaching. six minutes after 4:00.-is gb news- approaching. six minutes after 4:00. is gb news on tv 4:00. this is gb news on tv oniine— 4:00. this is gb news on tv oniine oni— 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on— 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm keno— online and on digital radio. i'm one akua.— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. now— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. now i— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. now i was going to do my nonoiogne— nana akua. now i was going to do my nonoiogwe on— nana akua. now i was going to do my monologue on adidas, another ironi— my monologue on adidas, another brand wno— my monologue on adidas, another brand who decided— my monologue on adidas, another brand who decided to do a dylan iiniwonew— brand who decided to do a dylan iiniwonew. ini— brand who decided to do a dylan mulvaney. but then i read this . mulvaney. but then i read this. a ineoire— mulvaney. but then i read this. a theatre warns— mulvaney. but then i read this. a theatre warns off whites . you a theatre warns off whites. you eon-i— a theatre warns off whites. you eon-i newe— a theatre warns off whites. you eon-i nowe ii— a theatre warns off whites. you can't have it both— a theatre warns off whites. you can't have it both ways. now the ineoire— can't have it both ways. now the ineoire kowoi— can't have it both ways. now the theatre royal in— can't have it both ways. now the theatre royal in stratford, east inoi-s— theatre royal in stratford, east inns in— theatre royal in stratford, east inns in rosi— theatre royal in stratford, east that's in east london have asked wniie— that's in east london have asked white visitors— that's in east london have asked white visitors not— that's in east london have asked white visitors not to attend a perorrnoneei— white visitors not to attend a performance of— white visitors not to attend a performance of tambo and bones . performance of tambo and bones. why— performance of tambo and bones. wnw so— performance of tambo and bones. wnw so inor— performance of tambo and bones. wnw so no ine— performance of tambo and bones. why so that the audience can be iree— why so that the audience can be iree iron — why so that the audience can be iree iron ine— why so that the audience can be free from the white— why so that the audience can be free from the white gaze . i free from the white gaze. i ion-i— free from the white gaze. i ion-i een— free from the white gaze. i don't even know where to begin wiin — don't even know where to begin wiin inis. — don't even know where to begin wiin inis. ani— don't even know where to begin with this. and to— don't even know where to begin with this. and to be clear, if oi— with this. and to be clear, if oi ny— with this. and to be clear, if one of my guests were to say seen— one of my guests were to say seen o— one of my guests were to say seen o ining— one of my guests were to say such a thing on— one of my guests were to say such a thing on air, i would personoiiw— such a thing on air, i would personally demand an apology in ieei—inink- personally demand an apology in fact,_think the- fact, i don't even think the nnrose— fact, i don't even think the gnrose-gows- fact, i don't even think the phrase gays would be phrase white gays would be oiiowei—

phrase white gays would be allowed-the- phrase white gays would be allowed the context allowed on tv in the context inor— allowed on tv in the context rig is— allowed on tv in the context that it's meant— allowed on tv in the context that it's meant in— allowed on tv in the context that it's meant in this. and oggoreniiw— that it's meant in this. and oggoreniiwlis— that it's meant in this. and opporenriwlis o- that it's meant in this. and apparently is a one off apparently it is a one off iioekoni— apparently it is a one off blackout event- apparently it is a one off blackout event . the description blackout event. the description of blackout event. the description oi ine— blackout event. the description oi ine snow— blackout event. the description of the show reads— blackout event. the description of the show reads as this a iioekoni— of the show reads as this a blackout at— of the show reads as this a blackout at night is the onrgoseini— blackout at night is the purposeful creation of an environment— purposeful creation of an environment in which an all week— environment in which an all black identifying audience can eneience— black identifying audience can experience and— black identifying audience can experience and discuss an event in ine— experience and discuss an event in rne geriorning— experience and discuss an event in the performing arts. film and cniiwoi— in the performing arts. film and cultural spaces. _ in the performing arts. film and cultural spaces. free from the wniie— cultural spaces. free from the wniie gaze— cultural spaces. free from the wniie goze .— cultural spaces. free from the white gaze . now,— cultural spaces. free from the white gaze . now, channel 4 did white gaze. now, channel 4 did soneining— white gaze. now, channel 4 did something like— white gaze. now, channel 4 did something like this on air, wnicn— something like this on air, wnicn oi— something like this on air, which at the— something like this on air, which at the time i thought was nreiiw— which at the time i thought was pretty disgraceful. _ which at the time i thought was pretty disgraceful. and i'm unsure how they got away with inoc— unsure how they got away with nor. ini— unsure how they got away with nor. iii no— unsure how they got away with that. but my point is quite sinnie— that. but my point is quite sinpie. vow— that. but my point is quite simple. you can't have it both wows— simple. you can't have it both wows .— simple. you can't have it both wows . voo— simple. you can't have it both ways . you can't— simple. you can't have it both ways . you can't complain about ways. you can't complain about oni— ways. you can't complain about racism and then— ways. you can't complain about racism and then be a racist wowseii— racism and then be a racist yourself, which _ racism and then be a racist yourself, which is what this is. is— yourself, which is what this is. is rocisi— yourself, which is what this is. is rocisi .— yourself, which is what this is. is rocisi. i— yourself, which is what this is. it's racist. i mean,— yourself, which is what this is. it's racist . i mean, let's it's racist. i mean, let's inogine— it's racist. i mean, let's inogine ii— it's racist. i mean, let's imagine if you- it's racist. i mean, let's imagine if you will, a theatre gerorinonce — imagine if you will, a theatre performance that urged black geonie— performance that urged black geogie noi— performance that urged black geogie noi io— performance that urged black people not to come . race baiters people not to come. race baiters iike— people not to come. race baiters iike g..— people not to come. race baiters iike or. snoio— people not to come. race baiters like dr. shola would be out in iorce— like dr. shola would be out in iorce io— like dr. shola would be out in iorce io cw— like dr. shola would be out in force to cry racism. so why is it force to cry racism. so why is i oiioweo— force to cry racism. so why is it allowed the— force to cry racism. so why is it allowed the other way round? voo— it allowed the other way round? vow con-i— it allowed the other way round? you can't have— it allowed the other way round? you can't have it— it allowed the other way round? you can't have it both ways. the ororigsers— you can't have it both ways. the orongsers sow— you can't have it both ways. the organisers say the _ you can't have it both ways. the organisers say the idea of the

eveni— organisers say the idea of the eweni is— organisers say the idea of the eweni is io— organisers say the idea of the event is to create— organisers say the idea of the event is to create a safe nriwoie— event is to create a safe griwoie sgoce— event is to create a safe private space for an all black ioeniiiwing— private space for an all black identifying audience to explore reioieo— identifying audience to explore race related issues . more like a race related issues. more like a poss— race related issues. more like a noss io— race related issues. more like a noss io ie— race related issues. more like a pass to be racist— race related issues. more like a pass to be racist .— race related issues. more like a pass to be racist . and although pass to be racist. and although inew— pass to be racist. and although inew cioin— pass to be racist. and although inew cioin no— pass to be racist. and although they claim no one— pass to be racist. and although they claim no one is excluded , they claim no one is excluded, it's they claim no one is excluded, is one— they claim no one is excluded, it's quite clear— they claim no one is excluded, it's quite clear that if you ion-i— it's quite clear that if you don't identify— it's quite clear that if you don't identify as black, you won-i— don't identify as black, you won-i ie— don't identify as black, you won't be welcomed with open arms . wow— won't be welcomed with open arms . wow resins— won't be welcomed with open arms . now, festus akinbusoye pcc for neoiorosnire— . now, festus akinbusoye pcc for bedfordshire said— . now, festus akinbusoye pcc for bedfordshire said this i would sirongiw— bedfordshire said this i would sirongiw urge— bedfordshire said this i would strongly urge the organisers to reconsider— strongly urge the organisers to reconsider their— strongly urge the organisers to reconsider their decision in rigni— reconsider their decision in iigni oi— reconsider their decision in iigni oi ine— reconsider their decision in light of the message it sends oni— light of the message it sends ono ine— light of the message it sends and the precedent it sets . he and the precedent it sets. he weni— and the precedent it sets. he weni on— and the precedent it sets. he weni on io— and the precedent it sets. he went on to say,— and the precedent it sets. he went on to say, society is ricner— went on to say, society is ricner oni— went on to say, society is richer and stronger when an understanding— richer and stronger when an understanding of each other's siories— understanding of each other's siories oe— understanding of each other's stories are shared and heard. ine— stories are shared and heard. the blackout— stories are shared and heard. the blackout concept runs conirow— the blackout concept runs conirorw io— the blackout concept runs contrary to this- the blackout concept runs contrary to this education and enricnneni— contrary to this education and enrichment ethos— contrary to this education and enrichment ethos . now, a viewer, enrichment ethos. now, a viewer, reori— enrichment ethos. now, a viewer, reori wroie— enrichment ethos. now, a viewer, reori wroie io — enrichment ethos. now, a viewer, pearl wrote to me— enrichment ethos. now, a viewer, pearl wrote to me this morning sowing— pearl wrote to me this morning sowing now— pearl wrote to me this morning sowing now ongw— pearl wrote to me this morning saying how angry she was after reooing— saying how angry she was after reooing oiooi— saying how angry she was after reading about this . and i'm reading about this. and i'm inciineo— reading about this. and i'm inclined to— reading about this. and i'm inclined to agree with her. she soici— inclined to agree with her. she soio, oiier— inclined to agree with her. she said, after all— inclined to agree with her. she said, after all the— inclined to agree with her. she said, after all the segregation iiock— said, after all the segregation iiock peogie— said, after all the segregation black people suffered during ogonneio,— black people suffered during .pgnngg, woo— black people suffered during apartheid, you would never think that apartheid, you would never think no new— apartheid, you would never think that they would _ apartheid, you would never think that they would want to go back to

that they would want to go back io-in— that they would want to go back io-in nisiow— that they would want to go back io-in nisiorw .- that they would want to go back to-in history . and- to that part in history. and sne-s— to that part in history. and sne-s-i— to that part in history. and she's-i certainly- to that part in history. and she's i certainly don't. she's right. i certainly don't. noi— she's right. i certainly don't. on i— she's right. i certainly don't. but it seems— she's right. i certainly don't. but it seems some people are conionoiie— but it seems some people are comfortable with— but it seems some people are comfortable with what they're used — comfortable with what they're used io — comfortable with what they're used io ono — comfortable with what they're used to and continue to perpeiooie— used to and continue to perpetuate it- used to and continue to perpetuate it .- used to and continue to perpetuate it . if the purpose of perpetuate it. if the purpose of inis— perpetuate it. if the purpose of one is— perpetuate it. if the purpose of one is io— perpetuate it. if the purpose of this is to educate— perpetuate it. if the purpose of this is to educate it, then wooion-i— this is to educate it, then wooion-i ii— this is to educate it, then wouldn't it be— this is to educate it, then wouldn't it be better to include roiner— wouldn't it be better to include rather-exclude _ wouldn't it be better to include rather exclude because rather than exclude because ewensi— rather than exclude because ewensi iike— rather than exclude because events like this— rather than exclude because events like this give a green rigni— events like this give a green iigni io— events like this give a green light to discrimination based on coowi— light to discrimination based on coowi oni— light to discrimination based on coonri on we— light to discrimination based on colour and we all— light to discrimination based on colour and we all know what that is. colour and we all know what that islrocisn — colour and we all know what that islrocisn .— colour and we all know what that islrocisn . in— colour and we all know what that is.-racism . i'm so— colour and we all know what that is. racism . i'm so before is. it's racism. i'm so before we— is. it's racism. i'm so before we gei— is. it's racism. i'm so before we gei sinck— is. it's racism. i'm so before we get stuck into- is. it's racism. i'm so before we get stuck into the debate, nee-s— we get stuck into the debate, nere-s wnoi— we get stuck into the debate, here's what else— we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up iooow— here's what else is coming up iooow ior— here's what else is coming up iooow ior ine— here's what else is coming up today for the great british neioie— today for the great british debate this— today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking is it debate this hour. i'm asking is in ine— debate this hour. i'm asking is in iirne io— debate this hour. i'm asking is in iirne io soon— debate this hour. i'm asking is it time to stop arming ukraine? us it time to stop arming ukraine? ns—nioen- us president joe biden has promised— us president joe biden has promised ukraine a new weapons oockoge— promised ukraine a new weapons oockogelsngnon— promised ukraine a new weapons oockogelsngnon-in- promised ukraine a new weapons package support in their package to support kyiv in their war package to support kyiv in their wor-icnssio— package to support kyiv in their wor-icnssio .— package to support kyiv in their war-russia . now,- package to support kyiv in their war russia . now, this war against russia. now, this comes-zelenskyy- war against russia. now, this comes zelenskyy secured comes as zelenskyy secured niiiiow— comes as zelenskyy secured niiiiorw oio— comes as zelenskyy secured military aid from european conniies— military aid from european countries, britain military aid from european. countries,-britain . countries, including britain. ini— countries, including britain. ini-ine— countries, including britain. but-the right- countries, including britain. but the right way but is this the right way iorworo— but is this the right way iorworo e— but is this the right way forward ? 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flyers on their website. flyers are on their website. that feel like that makes me feel like i'm a monster because a white monsterjust because i'm a white guy - monsterjust because i'm a white guy . private space for an guy. safe, private space for an all black ident defying audience. what the hell does an all black identifying audience mean? well, you could say you conio— mean? well, you could say you could identify— mean? well, you could say you could identify i black, - 7 well, you could say you could identify black, if you could identify as black, if you iike. — could identify as black, if you iike. vicin— could identify as black, if you like. well,lwondered- could identify as black, if you like. 3: like. well, i wondered whether it you were mixed it was like if you were mixed race, then you more identify with the black part your with the black part of your family with the family than you do with the white of family. or white part of your family. or like modern white part of your family. or like modem is if i like the modern trend is if i ioeniiiw— like the modern trend is if i ioeniiiw os— like the modern trend is if i ioeniiiw os o— like the modern trend is if i identify as a woman, i can just ioeniiiw— identify as a woman, i can just ioeniiiw os— identify as a woman, i can just ioeniiiw os o— identify as a woman, i can just identify as a woman, i can just identify as a woman and you'll nowe— identify as a woman and you'll nowelocceni— identify as a woman and you'll have-accept me.— identify as a woman and you'll have accept me. so i identify have to accept me. so i identify as have to accept me. so i identify os—i— have to accept me. so i identify os—i inink- have to accept me. so i identify os—i inink ii-s- as a black guy. i think it's scandalous. _ as a black guy. i think it's scandalous. i— as a black guy. i think it's scandalous. i think setting scandalous. i think it's setting iock— scandalous. i think it's setting back-relations— scandalous. i think it's setting back relations generations back race relations generations oni— back race relations generations on i— back race relations generations ono ii won— back race relations generations ono ii won oe— back race relations generations and if you are going to if is— and if you are going to if racism is so— and if you are going to if racism is so important and it's sncn— racism is so important and it's sncn on— racism is so important and it's such an integral— racism is so important and it's such an integral part of the genomes— such an integral part of the performers lives— such an integral part of the performers lives that only black neopre— performers lives that only black people con— performers lives that only black people go— performers lives that only black people go ,— performers lives that only black people can go , then what is people can go, then what is wrong— people can go, then what is wrong wiri— people can go, then what is wrong with educating a middle ogeo— wrong with educating a middle ogeo wniie— wrong with educating a middle ogeo wniie gnw— wrong with educating a middle aged white guy like me about he,— aged white guy like me about one, i— aged white guy like me about one, ii won— aged white guy like me about the, if you like,— aged white guy like me about the, if you like, the black power— the, if you like, the black power struggle? well, i think i inink— power struggle? well, i think i inink ii-s— power struggle? well, i think i inink is i— power struggle? well, i think i think it's i think— power struggle? well, i think i think it's i think it's taken race relations— think it's i think it's taken race relations back generations . vicin— race relations back generations . wieii. chew— race relations back generations . well, they would- race relations back generations . well, they would argue that it actually they're not telling actually is they're not telling you can't but you that you can't come but they're you they're not really making you feel want go. so you

feel like you want to go. so you know, it's like that thing where you you like. but do you can come if you like. but do you can come if you like. but do you really want to go? because we want to avoid the white gaze. you really want to go? because vtmean, to avoid the white gaze. you really want to go? because vtmean, that void the white gaze. you really want to go? because vtmean, that bid the white gaze. you really want to go? because vtmean, that i think; white gaze. you really want to go? because vtmean, that i think theiite gaze. i mean, that i think the white gaze that really gaze was the thing that really got me. claire what is that? got to me. claire what is that? what is white gaze? oh, my what is the white gaze? oh, my god. doing sorry god. you're doing it now. sorry i'm looking at you . but you stop i'm looking at you. but you stop looking at me. you don't. east london is a really, really- london is a really, really oiwerse— london is a really, really diverse community. �*" diverse community. if you've ieei— diverse community. if you've been io— diverse community. if you've been to stratford, you only have to walk around. there are niiiions— to walk around. there are millions of— to walk around. there are millions of people- there are millions of people there of all oiiiereni— millions of people there of all different races,— millions of people there of all different races, creeds, colours .-wonio— different races, creeds, colours .-would ltheatre- different races, creeds, colours . would theatre say . and why would a theatre say inor— . and why would a theatre say no new— . and why would a theatre say that they - safe - . and why would a theatre say that they safe space for that they need a safe space for a that they need a safe space for o-onoience— that they need a safe space for o-onoience e— that they need a safe space for a audience ? right. so is a black audience? right. so is inor— a black audience? right. so is no sowing— a black audience? right. so is that saying that— a black audience? right. so is that saying that they're not neignionrs— that saying that they're not neighbours their friends and neighbours and their friends and ineir—ore- neighbours and their friends and their—are-safel their school mates are not safe insi— their school mates are not safe insi ieconse— their school mates are not safe just because they're a different skin— just because they're a different skin colour? _ just because they're a different skin colour? i— just because they're a different skin colour? " just because they're a different skin colour? " skin colour? i mean, that feels really uncomfortable with really quite uncomfortable with me and i'm i'm with danny. me and i'm with i'm with danny. why don't you educate why don't you just educate neopren— why don't you just educate people? wnw— why don't you just educate people? why say why don't you just educate- people? why-say these people? why don't you say these are people? why don't you say these ine — people? why don't you say these are the problems— people? why don't you say these are the problems that we have, inis— are the problems that we have, we is— are the problems that we have, we is now— are the problems that we have, this is how-deal— are the problems that we have, this is how deal it. this is how we deal with it. wnoi— this is how we deal with it. what-think?- this is how we deal with it. what think? and actually what do you think? and actually get everybody into the conversation - get everybody into the conversation segregate it, conversation by segregate it, won-re— conversation by segregate it, wonreworse—i you're only making it worse. wren— you're only making it worse. wieii won— you're only making it worse. well you are. _ you're only making it worse. well you are. n:g well you are. and you're perpetuating. you're creating a narrative says that narrative that says that segregation on this basis is acceptable. means that,

acceptable. and that means that, well, if you're if it's good for the goose, it's good for the ganden the goose, it's good for the gander, going gander, then we're going to have it other around. yes. if it the other way around. yes. if it the other way around. yes. if it somehow. well, it was flipped somehow. well, that's and you say, that's right. and you could say, rook,— that's right. and you could say, iook, were— that's right. and you could say, look, we're not— that's right. and you could say, look, we're not excluding people wno—we-o- look, we're not excluding people who—we'd rather. who are black, but we'd rather it who are black, but we'd rather ii-o— who are black, but we'd rather ii-o snoce— who are black, but we'd rather it. a space .white - who are black, but we'd rather it a space white people it was a space for white people --vou_ it was a space for white people lwon inoginee— it was a space for white people . you imagine? that's . can you imagine? well, that's now—incl . can you imagine? well, that's. now—one iowew how certain members of the lovey oowew— how certain members of the lovey oowew neoio— how certain members of the lovey dovey media would— how certain members of the lovey dovey media would they would inniooe. — dovey media would they would ingiooe. g. — dovey media would they would implode. dr. shirley- dovey media would they would implode. j : implode. dr. shirley would have you for breakfast, although be a hearty meal . she was she isn't hearty meal. she was she isn't that you've missed all of this. ihave.i that you've missed all of this. i have. i have four minutes in. so i have. i have four minutes in. so soon— i have. i have four minutes in. so i— i have. i have four minutes in. so soon i think— i have. i have four minutes in. so soon i think it's— i have. i have four minutes in. so soon i think it's awful. but you— so soon i think it's awful. but won know— so soon i think it's awful. but you know what's— so soon i think it's awful. but you know what's great? nana that a black woman like you can put him in the place and back in the box. because if i was to say things that you've said , i was things that you've said, i was listening on the listening to a little bit on the radio was driving into radio as i was driving into london, if i was to say the same sort of things, i would well, sort of things, i would be well, i would be classed racist. i would be classed as a racist. how dare that? but the how dare he say that? but the irony that i how dare he say that? but the irony-that i believe- how dare he say that? but the irony-that i believe this- : m7 but the irony that i believe this is irony is that i believe this is rocisi— irony is that i believe this is .ggg, isn-i— irony is that i believe this is racist, isn't it?— irony is that i believe this is racist, isn't it? because you're sowing— racist, isn't it? because you're sowing-nosen— racist, isn't it? because you're. saying-based-colour saying that based on the colour of saying that based on the colour oi—reoiiwl of your skin, we don't really woni— of your skin, we don't really won-nee- of your skin, we don't really want-here, but- of your skin, we don't really want here, but we'll let want you in here, but we'll let you— want you in here, but we'll let wonlii— want you in here, but we'll let wonlii won— want you in here, but we'll let wonlii won sow— want you in here, but we'll let wonlii won sow won- want you in here, but we'll let you if you say you identify. you in if you say you identify. ini— you in if you say you identify. in won— you in if you say you identify. in won know— you in if you say you identify. but you know, we— you in if you say you identify. but you know, we want to avoid

wonr— but you know, we want to avoid wow—insi- your white gaze. it's i just oon-i— your white gaze. it's i just don't understand sort don't understand why this sort of don't understand why this sort oi-neonie— don't understand why this sort oi-neonie oe- of language people are comfortable— comfortable with with saying inor— comfortable with with saying oior-inning- comfortable with with saying that putting something that and even putting something on that and even putting something o—in— that and even putting something o—in inor- that and even putting something o—in inoi wow- on the website in that way, nsing— on the website in that way, using terminology. and the using that terminology. and the iiockoni— using that terminology. and the iiockoni-i— using that terminology. and the blackout-i-again,- blackout thing i find again, it's-almost- blackout thing i find again, it's almost there it's just it's almost there occeniing— it's just it's almost there- occegiing—ono accepting this language and sowing—is- saying this language is acceptable. _ saying this language is- acceptable. - acceptable acceptable. it's not acceptable . wie— acceptable. it's not acceptable . ire con-i— acceptable. it's not acceptable . ire con-i ie— acceptable. it's not acceptable . we can't be speaking like inoc— . we can't be speaking like oior—we- . we can't be speaking like iioi—we insil . we can't be speaking like. that.-we just have . we can't be speaking like- that.-we just have why that. why don't we just have why can-t— that. why don't we just have why can-t-have— that. why don't we just have why can't have performance can't they have the performance where— can't they have the performance where-welcome - can't they have the performance where welcome and where anyone is welcome and people— where anyone is welcome and people wm— where anyone is welcome and people will learn— where anyone is welcome and people will learn different people will learn all different reeee— people will learn all different creeds, colours,— people will learn all different creeds, colours, race, whatever? why— creeds, colours, race, whatever? why-heve— creeds, colours, race, whatever? why-heve ee— creeds, colours, race, whatever? why-heve to be- creeds, colours, race, whatever? why have to be black why does it have to be black people?— why does it have to be black people? is— why does it have to be black people? e ie— why does it have to be black people? is it that— why does it have to be black people? is it that they're going to people? is it that they're going ee-ebeue— people? is it that they're going to-about white- people? is it that they're going to about white people to be racist about white people in that— to be racist about white people in thee-they- to be racist about white people in that-they don't- to be racist about white people in that they don't want in that space so they don't want you— in that space so they don't want you-offended?— in that space so they don't want you-offended? i- in that space so they don't want you offended? i don't get you to be offended? i don't get why— you to be offended? i don't get why you— you to be offended? i don't get why you wouldn't— you to be offended? i don't get why you wouldn't want people of a why you wouldn't want people of emu-t— why you wouldn't want people of eeeeu-t ee— why you wouldn't want people of a-colour to.in- why you wouldn't want people of a-unlessilour to.in- why you wouldn't want people of a-unless you're>.in- why you wouldn't want people of a unless you're going to say there unless you're going to say something— there unless you're going to say. something—them. something that might upset them. wen,— something that might upset them. wee-n— something that might upset them. wee-n ene— something that might upset them. well,-it and surely- something that might upset them. well, it and surely it well, this is it and surely it eeeen-e— well, this is it and surely it doesn't-sense.- well, this is it and surely it doesn't sense. the children doesn't make sense. the children in doesn't make sense. the children .._.... in the community as well are going— in the community as well are going-eu— in the community as well are going-en ef- in the community as well are going-all of this- in the community as well are going all of this and going to see all of this and they-re— going to see all of this and they-re going— going to see all of this and they're going to— going to see all of this and they're going to speak to their mende— they're going to speak to their friends ded— they're going to speak to their friends and their— they're going to speak to their friends and their families. 'r: friends and their families. and it friends and their families. and rr-er— friends and their families. and rr-sr message- friends and their families. and it-of message, does. it was sort of message, does that that actually that send to them that actually in split in your classroom you can split blacks whites whatever in your classroom you can split blacicolourhites whatever in your classroom you can split blacicolour you; whatever in your classroom you can split blacicolour you happentever in your classroom you can split blacicolour you happen to 'er in your classroom you can split blacicolour you happen to be. skin colour you happen to be. you can just segregate people. well, a future well, surely that's not a future lesson to have area of lesson to have this area of london. i'm not familiar with it. predominantly a black it. is it predominantly a black area? it's very, very, very

diverse — area? it's very, very, very diverse ved— aria? it's very, very, very diverse. you couldn't say eddzi;red?’ it's very, very, very diverse. you couldn't say very diverse —ss- diverse. you couldn't say veryi diverse. _so that diverse. right. okay. so that almost exacerbates this. that almost exacerbates this. that almost makes it worse- almost exacerbates this. that almost makes it worse .- . that almost makes it worse . it's like almost makes it worse. it's like der— almost makes it worse. it's like deer-re— almost makes it worse. it's like deer-re keep— almost makes it worse. it's like they to keep enclave. they want to keep an enclave. dds— they want to keep an enclave. rr-s dre— they want to keep an enclave. it's like - needs - they want to keep an enclave. it's like - needs to - they want to keep an enclave. it's like needs to be an it's like there needs to be an errdde— it's like there needs to be an enclave . people - it's like there needs to be an enclave people the enclave of people of the same eeedrd — enclave of people of the same colour. _there - enclave of people of the same colour.-there are- enclave of people of the same colour.-there are partsl enclave of people of the same. colour.-there are parts of colour. well, there are parts of east london because east london, colour. well, there are parts of ethink,1don because east london, colour. well, there are parts of ethink,1don the ause east london, colour. well, there are parts of ethink,1don the ause eoft london, colour. well, there are parts of ethink,1don the ause eof the1don, colour. well, there are parts of ethink,1don the ause eof the bnp i think, was the home of the bnp years ago. i think years and years ago. i think that was quite prolific in that area. you know, it still area. so, you know, but it still doesn't mean that you should then. i mean, they're not prolific that area now. prolific in that area now. stratford east is quite a mixed multicultural area. yeah. so there would be no real reason why you'd want to almost kind of your race. this is not good for race relations. in stratford. you had the olympics stadium. race relations. in stratford. - you had the olympics stadium. so all you had the olympics stadium. so dd er— you had the olympics stadium. so dd of dose— you had the olympics stadium. so all of those amazing things that happened— all of those amazing things that happened ddrrrd— all of those amazing things that happened during the olympics deer—wiping- happened during the olympics that—wiping out- happened during the olympics that wiping out with that you're just wiping out with ere—from — that you're just wiping out with one from a theatre . one statement from a theatre. redr— one statement from a theatre. reds r— one statement from a theatre. reds r drink— one statement from a theatre. yeah, i think that's really poor derrdvredr. — yeah, i think that's really poor behaviour. .this_ yeah, i think that's really poor behaviour. this will behaviour. but this this will need— behaviour. but this this will reed-dds— behaviour. but this this will need-kidslthe- need to be kids in the playground— need to be kids in the playground will about need to be kids in the- playground will-about this playground will talk about this and playground will talk about this end—dud- and they'll talk about just mixing— and they'll talk about just mixing-their- and they'll talk about just mixing their own skin mixing with their own skin sourd— mixing with their own skin sored-dred— mixing with their own skin colour and peers. . mixing with their own skin- colour-and peers. it smacks colour pals and peers. it smacks of wedded— colour pals and peers. it smacks of whites, not welcome. they might just have might as well just have a performance performance theatre show and just get to the to the bottom. white's not welcome . i

bottom. white's not welcome. i mean, this is a one off event tvide— mean, this is a one off event rype dred— mean, this is a one off event rype rrrrrg, dur— mean, this is a one off event type thingr but i_ mean, this is a one off event type thing, but i just think as a type thing, but i just think as d err,— type thing, but i just think as a one off, even— type thing, but i just think as a one off, even if— type thing, but i just think as a one off, even if it's one, dds— a one off, even if it's one, dds rs— a one off, even if it's one, dds rs rer— a one off, even if it's one, this is not the— a one off, even if it's one, this is not the way. this is not very— this is not the way. this is not very pregressdre. — this is not the way. this is not very progressive. this is a way deer— very progressive. this is a way drdr red-re— very progressive. this is a way that you're creating racism in it. that you're creating racism in dr-drvrsred- that you're creating racism in it.-division. i- that you're creating racism in it. division. i don't it. it creates division. i don't dude—wry- it. it creates division. i don't dude—wry theyl it. it creates division. i don't- quite _why they would quite understand why they would drink—de- think that that would be acceptable. _ acceptable. i remember channel 4 did—wes- acceptable. i remember channel 4 did—dds rd- did something. what was it, decreed— did something. what was it, blackout, where— did something. what was it, blackout, where they had like mesdy— blackout, where they had like mesrdy-peepre- blackout, where they had like mostly people presenting mostly black people presenting all mostly black people presenting err—dr— mostly black people presenting err—dd day.- mostly black people presenting all-all day. and- mostly black people presenting all-all day. and i. all the shows all day. and i ddsr— all the shows all day. and i rdsr dredged— all the shows all day. and i just thought, no,- all the shows all day. and i just thought, no, i wouldn't weer— just thought, no, i wouldn't weer re— just thought, no, i wouldn't weer re re— just thought, no, i wouldn't want to be part— just thought, no, i wouldn't want to be part of that. it redres— want to be part of that. it makes d— want to be part of that. it makes a real— want to be part of that. it makes a real i— want to be part of that. it makes a real i don't want to be part— makes a real i don't want to be pad or— makes a real i don't want to be pad of deer.— makes a real i don't want to be pad of deer. r— makes a real i don't want to be part of that. i don't— makes a real i don't want to be part of that. i don't want to be part— part of that. i don't want to be pad or— part of that. i don't want to be part of something— part of that. i don't want to be part of something that i believe in. part of something that i believe dr- -rs— part of something that i believe in.-is inherently- in. my heart is inherently rddsd— in. my heart is inherently rddsrlrr— in. my heart is inherently| racist,-it-really racist, but it sets a really rdsrr— racist, but it sets a really eddy-deer- racist, but it sets a reallyi nasty _that other racist, but it sets a really- nasty _that other races nasty precedent that other races or nasty precedent that other races er genders— nasty precedent that other races or genders er— nasty precedent that other races or genders or if— nasty precedent that other races or genders or if you're gay, bi dren— or genders or if you're gay, bi deer vou— or genders or if you're gay, bi rrrers you serr— or genders or if you're gay, bi then you can start— or genders or if you're gay, bi then you can start your own space— then you can start your own space ded— then you can start your own space and v0“— then you can start your own space and you can have that. so it's space and you can have that. so dds d— space and you can have that. so dds a ready.— space and you can have that. so it's a really, really— space and you can have that. so it's a really, really bad- it's a really, really bad precedent. everybody's going to assume that they can do exactly the same thing because the theatre did it a only theatre did it for a black only audience. where do you audience. and then where do you go that? segregating go from that? you're segregating practically everybody and saying that people aren't welcome unless conform to a unless they conform to a specific ideal. their argument wedd— specific ideal. their argument weddd be,— specific ideal. their argument weddd be, rm— specific ideal. their argument would be, i'm about- . �*" rt. : their argument would be, i'm about to say t �*" rt. : their argument would be, i'm about to say their deemed.— would be, i'm about to say their argumerr. r— would be, i'm about to say their argument, i would— would be, i'm about to say their argument, i would say, would be deer— argument, i would say, would be deer-r— argument, i would say, would be that-i experience- argument, i would say, would be

that i experience white that you and i experience white prrrrdede— that you and i experience white prrrrdege-sdu— that you and i experience white privilege still don't privilege and i still don't know wher— privilege and i still don't know weer—means. i privilege and i still don't know. what—means. well, what the hell that means. well, adre— what the hell that means. well, claire-experience- claire and i experience white privilege on daily so privilege on a daily basis, so let's the people who don't let's let the people who don't experience privilege daily experience privilege on a daily bafis experience privilege on a daily basis amongst their own basis just be amongst their own kinship. i guess that's what they that the they know. i think that the deemed— they know. i think that the argument might— i think that the argument might be that actually mrrerrry— argument might be that actually mrrerrrr groups— argument might be that actually minority groups have minority groups need to have derr— minority groups need to have their-divisions- minority groups need to have their divisions that they their own divisions so that they de— their own divisions so that they can be together— their own divisions so that they can be together .— their own divisions so that they can be together . you know, so can be together. you know, so you've— can be together. you know, so you've der— can be together. you know, so you've eer mere— can be together. you know, so you've got more people like this seeder.— you've got more people like this togetherr mere— you've got more people like this together, more people like that rededrer. — together, more people like that reeedser. -red— together, more people like that together. you that, together. so if you do that, dren— together. so if you do that, deer-mere- together. so if you do that,i then-more-and then there's more power and seed— then there's more power and seedy—eur- safety in numbers. but my deemed— safety in numbers. but my argumerr re— safety in numbers. but my argument to would be that argument to that would be that once-deeded- once you start creating compartmental izing things, then you-drawing— compartmental izing things, then you drawing attention to you start drawing attention to deer— you start drawing attention to their differences— you start drawing attention to their differences and that's not ready— their differences and that's not really wher— their differences and that's not ready rrrrdr you— their differences and that's not really what you need to be doing.— really what you need to be doing-reed— really what you need to be- doing.-need-bringing doing. you need to be bringing derr— them all together and letting deem— them all together and letting dem red— them all together and letting them talk to— them all together and letting them talk to each other. so that we them talk to each other. so that vre-dem— them talk to each other. so that we-ddm m— them talk to each other. so that we gain an understanding we can all gain an understanding of we can all gain an understanding er—drdr-s— we can all gain an understanding er—drdr-s-rr- of each other. that's what it shedd— of each other. that's what it sdeudd be. — of each other. that's what it sdeudd be. r— of each other. that's what it should be. i can— of each other. that's what it should be. i can guarantee you, dad— should be. i can guarantee you, red—ddsrel had they not said this. quote endure.— had they not said this. quote unquote, welcome and unquote, white's not welcome and that's they're saying. that's not what they're saying. white i'm paraphrasing here and that's not what they're saying. whiti'ven paraphrasing here and that's not what they're saying. whiti've learned rasing here and that's not what they're saying. whiti've learned rasinit'szre and now i've learned that it's in the of london, which is the east end of london, which is an diverse area. and an incredibly diverse area. and now nature of what now i know the nature of what the all about. it's the show is all about. it's discussing american, discussing african and american, african and american history over three centuries. over the last three centuries. i can guarantee you there wouldn't be any white people there

anyway. they needn't have done all well, there might all of this. well, there might be, all of this. well, there might ere-deed- all of this. well, there might be,-there'll.a. be, but. well, there'll be a deeded.— be, but. well, there'll be a ddmdrd. — be, but. well, there'll be a handful. maybe- be, but. well, there'll be a handful. .dr�*~dd.red«r sridz; cc be, but. well, there'll be a handful. .dr�*~dd.red«r fridz; cc be, but. well, there'll be a handful. .dr�*~dd.red«r sridi cc handful. maybe there'll be a handful. well, i'm not interested— handful. well, i'm not interested-it.- handful. well, i'm not interested-it. - handful. well, i'm not interested-it. i- : well, i'm not interested it. handful. well, i'm not- interestedlit. i just don't. interested in it. i just don't. i interested in it. i just don't. r-see— interested in it. i just don't. i see it as necessary i just don't see it as necessary for them to say that. do you know, does smack also know, it does smack also a little bit of buying publicity, which you which i think perhaps where you were wouldn't were going that we wouldn't we wouldn't heard wouldn't necessarily have heard about necessarily about it. it's not necessarily a play— about it. it's not necessarily a play-i— about it. it's not necessarily a prey-r mem— about it. it's not necessarily a prey-r rrdmr re— about it. it's not necessarily a prey-r rrdmr re dd.- about it. it's not necessarily a play-i want to go. i've- play that i want to go. i've medeed. — play that i want to go. i've noticed. you— play that i want to go. i've noticed. /rir. : grir play that i want to go. i've noticed. /rix. : grir noticed. you should go. i want to all right. come on, to go. all right. come on, then. i buy shaved head. i want to buy shaved head. i'll. i won't wear anything provocative. wear provocative. i'm going to wear my something like my england top or something like that. going to go in wanting that. i'm going to go in wanting to about african—american to know about african—american history three history over the last three centuries. one's gonna centuries. and no one's gonna stop me. well, i think it's remedy— stop me. well, i think it's totally wrong.— stop me. well, i think it's totally wrong. and - well, i think it's totally wrong. and frankly, you knew.— totally wrong. and frankly, you knew. everybody— totally wrong. and frankly, you know, everybody should be redeemed.— know, everybody should be welcomed. this— know, everybody should be welcomed. this is not the way forward.— welcomed. this is not the way forward. dr— welcomed. this is not the way forward. it absolutely isn't. sm— forward. it absolutely isn't. rer—dre- forward. it absolutely isn't. . but—the theatre but we did contact the theatre for but we did contact the theatre rer—derem-r- but we did contact the theatre i for—haven't received for comment but haven't received a for comment but haven't received d respemse rer. — for comment but haven't received a response yet. but— for comment but haven't received a response yet. but they have prededsd— a response yet. but they have previously-that- a response yet. but they have previously that tambo and previously said that tambo and dres— previously said that tambo and sees srdded— previously said that tambo and bones, staged stratford east bones, staged at stratford east is d— bones, staged at stratford east is d bedd— bones, staged at stratford east is d ddd mew— bones, staged at stratford east is a bold new play, a satire rdddr— is a bold new play, a satire which actively— is a bold new play, a satire which actively explores race and deer— which actively explores race and rmdr dr— which actively explores race and rmdr d rs— which actively explores race and rmdr d is re— which actively explores race and what it is to be— which actively explores race and what it is to be black. and we've chosen— what it is to be black. and we've chosen to- what it is to be black. and we've chosen to embrace this mrdddve— we've chosen to embrace this initiative for— we've chosen to embrace this initiative for performance initiative for one performance during— initiative for one performance ddrmd-memd- initiative for one performance during month long initiative for one performance- during-month long run during the play's month long run as d-rer— during the play's month long run

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redde— war? so for the great british oeddre dds— war? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it debate this hour, i'm asking, is d dme— debate this hour, i'm asking, is d dme re— debate this hour, i'm asking, is d dme re srep— debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time to stop arming ukraine? ded— it time to stop arming ukraine? wed. r-emmd— it time to stop arming ukraine? wed. joining me— it time to stop arming ukraine? well, joining me now is danny armsdemd— well, joining me now is danny armsdemd .— well, joining me now is danny armstrong , political commentator well, joining me now is danny arm russia, political commentator well, joining me now is danny arm russia expert:al commentator well, joining me now is danny arm russia expert , l commentator well, joining me now is danny arm russia expert , majornentator well, joining me now is danny arm russia expert , major general' and russia expert, major general chip— and russia expert, major general crdp charmer.— and russia expert, major general chip chapman, former head of counter—terrorism. denis ddesddme— counter—terrorism. denis ddesddme .— counter—terrorism. denis macshane , former of macshane, former minister of srdre— macshane, former minister of srdre rer— macshane, former minister of state for europe,— macshane, former minister of state for europe, and benjamin redem— state for europe, and benjamin rdkem deve— state for europe, and benjamin luken have political commentator. i'm going to start rddr— commentator. i'm going to start rddr your— commentator. i'm going to start rdds your rrder— commentator. i'm going to start with you, major general chip cddpmm. — with you, major general chip| chapman. _think with you, major general chip. chapman._think ? chapman. what do you think? wed.— chapman. what do you think? wed. me.— chapman. what do you think? wed. we— chapman. what do you think? well, no, we should— chapman. what do you think? well, no, we should still- chapman. what do you think? well, no, we should still arm russia. wrong. ukraine, we shouldn't arm russia at all, because what we're really talking about is getting towards a better peace and a just peace . if people just say we want peace and use that as a humanitarian thing, it rewards the and really the the aggressor and really the best solution is what was said at the g7 conference two days ago, that the g7 demanded that russia immediately , completely russia immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw its troops and equipment from the international recognised sovereign territory of ukraine. if that were to happen, then the war if that were to happen, then the wedd— if that were to happen, then the wedd de— if that were to happen, then the war would be over— if that were to happen, then the war would be over tomorrow . �*" war would be over tomorrow. if it war would be over tomorrow. if m drdm-r— war would be over tomorrow. if m drdm-r mapper— war would be over tomorrow. if it didn't happen and— war would be over tomorrow. if it didn't happen and ukraine didn't stop fighting tomorrow, ukraine would be finished. that is the bottom line. but as you

said , is the bottom line. but as you sdd . de— is the bottom line. but as you sdd . de wer— is the bottom line. but as you said , the war would- is the bottom line. but as you said , the war would be- c but as you said , the war would be over said, the war would be over rememew m— said, the war would be over tomorrow if that— said, the war would be over tomorrow if that happened. but der— tomorrow if that happened. but dd rs— tomorrow if that happened. but dd rs prem— tomorrow if that happened. but that is pretty unlikely, espeddd— that is pretty unlikely, especially we carry on arming that is pretty unlikely, especi denis we carry on arming that is pretty unlikely, especi denis macshane n arming that is pretty unlikely, especi denis macshane very 1ing that is pretty unlikely, especi denis macshane very simply them. denis macshane very simply , as them. denis macshane very simply . es crmrddd— them. denis macshane very simply , as churchill said— them. denis macshane very simply , as churchill said at— them. denis macshane very simply , as churchill said at the start of , as churchill said at the start or de— , as churchill said at the start of the second— , as churchill said at the start of the second world war, when we were confronting _ of the second world war, when we were confronting ,— of the second world war, when we were confronting , let's be were confronting, let's be domed.— were confronting, let's be honest, the _ were confronting, let's be honest, the putin invasion of ukraine— honest, the putin invasion of dkrdme rs— honest, the putin invasion of dkrdme is d— honest, the putin invasion of ukraine is a remake of hitler's mvddem— ukraine is a remake of hitler's er— ukraine is a remake of hitler's invasion of ukraine. ”di." x invasion of ukraine. churchill ...d,_ invasion of ukraine. churchill sdd. erre— invasion of ukraine. churchill said, give us the tools to roosevelt. the americans will finish the job. and i think the ukrainians have been magnificent. they're fighting for our freedom. our european liberties. let's give them what they need. i think we've been a bit too parsimonious. i'm glad now that we're talking about sending fighter jets. yes. give the ukraine the support of the democratic world and show democracy still means something in this very confused era of evil. people like putin. well, let's go to danny c c " well, let's go to danny armstrong and reds— let's go to danny armstrong and reds d— let's go to danny armstrong and reds d redssrd— let's go to danny armstrong and he's a russia expert. what do you— he's a russia expert. what do you did.— he's a russia expert. what do you think, danny— he's a russia expert. what do you think, danny ? �*dfrdrix you think, danny? well, i think it's well, first off, quite offensive to say that this is a remake of the invasion of

russia, given that 27 million soviet lives were lost in that fight. i simply think that everybody involved should be pushing for peace. i don't think any more arming of ukraine will lead to that . of course, bombs lead to that. of course, bombs and military aid doesn't lead to stability . it leads to more stability. it leads to more death and destruction. of course, these storms , shadow course, these storms, shadow missiles that the uk has donated to ukraine, they're not going to be used on russian soil, although it can reach russian soil. ukrainian government has said it's going to be used on crimea. so there's another part of depending on which side you're on, russia or ukraine, that going to be torn to that is going to be torn to pieces by by foreign bombs. and it's precipitated attacks from the russian side that have tried to find these this western cache of weapons that have been sent to ukraine. it's going to lead to ukraine. it's going to lead to more deaths , destruction, to more deaths, destruction, more lives lost, of course, as we see with bakhmut , that's been we see with bakhmut, that's been turned into a meat grinder. tens of thousands lives lost. of thousands of lives lost. there's debate over whether it's strategically important as a

city, it isn't, why are city, if it isn't, why are ukraine still fighting over it, given it is in the donbas region, which is what russia are seeking to protect and the russian speaking population in russian speaking population in russia , of course. i mean, the russia, of course. i mean, the major general said if russia downs arms and ceases to continue fighting, there won't be a war. but of course, if some of the red lines were respected on the side of nato and the us leading up to this war, of course, when it was the ukraine crisis, the ukraine war, crisis, not the ukraine war, then wouldn't be then there wouldn't be a conflict all. well, well, conflict at all. well, well, rer-s— conflict at all. well, well, rer-s — conflict at all. well, well, let's see. what— rt rt. well, well, let's see. what about you, benjamin?— let's see. what about you, benjamin?-youl let's see. what about you,- benjamin?-you think ? benjamin? what do you think? wed.— benjamin? what do you think? wed. derdmg— benjamin? what do you think? well, leaving-actual- well, leaving the actual conflict aside for a second, i want talk about the fact that want to talk about the fact that when we provide these weapons, we're properly reinvest we're not then properly reinvest in forces or our in our own armed forces or our own defence. so we're actually leaving ourselves and exposed and vulnerable. if we were to say we're going to pass a package where we replace or improve or increase our defence, when we sort of hand it over to ukraine, then fine, we could we could, you know , probably make could, you know, probably make that work. but at the moment all

we're doing is depleting our own defence is in order to fight what will become effectively an eternal drawn out conflict at some point we do need to tend towards peace and i think after having over a year of this conflict so far and having, you know, fought quite valiantly and done our bit and really chipped in priorities. now in the two main priorities. now are tend towards peace and start opening talks and reinvest in our defences so that we're not left vulnerable ourselves. well, what would you say to dere— well, what would you say to that? because _ well, what would you say to that? because he makes a good perm.— that? because he makes a good perm. der— that? because he makes a good perm. nor-dre— that? because he makes a good point. not are depleting point. not only are we depleting our point. not only are we depleting err-suppres— point. not only are we depleting err-suppdes .— point. not only are we depleting our-supplies , but- point. not only are we depleting our supplies , but then we're our own supplies, but then we're going— our own supplies, but then we're dome-dds— our own supplies, but then we're gemgldrsldemd— our own supplies, but then we're going-thislgoing to- going to this is going to perperddre. — going to this is going to- perpetuate. _ seems going to this is going to- perpetuate. _seems to perpetuate. surely this seems to be me — perpetuate. surely this seems to be no end— perpetuate. surely this seems to be no end m— perpetuate. surely this seems to be no end in sight— perpetuate. surely this seems to be no end in sight. perpetuate. surely this seems to be no end in sight . well, there be no end in sight. well, there are be no end in sight. well, there emb— be no end in sight. well, there are only three _ be no end in sight. well, there are only three ways that you end the are only three ways that you end de wer— are only three ways that you end the war either— are only three ways that you end the war either by— are only three ways that you end the war either by decisive mrdrew— the war either by decisive military victory, by the improbability of military werew— improbability of military victory, which leads to a negotiation— victory, which leads to a negotiation ,— victory, which leads to a negotiation , or because the cost negotiation, or because the cost to negotiation, or because the cost be see— negotiation, or because the cost re srde— negotiation, or because the cost re srde er— negotiation, or because the cost to one side or the— negotiation, or because the cost to one side or the other either eeememreedw— to one side or the other either economically, industrially, in pepwdedem— economically, industrially, in population terms or whatever, are population terms or whatever, se deer— population terms or whatever, are so great that— population terms or whatever, are so great that they they get to are so great that they they get b e— are so great that they they get to a negotiated— are so great that they they get to a negotiated position. but mesr— to a negotiated position. but most or— to a negotiated position. but most or de— to a negotiated position. but most of the stuff,— to a negotiated position. but most of the stuff, again , where most of the stuff, again, where it's this notion of it's wrong is this notion of just peace without some

just using peace without some conditional word before it . what conditional word before it. what danny and others have really said is that for peace said is that land for peace means you reward the means that you reward the aggressor, frozen peace aggressor, a frozen peace rewards the aggressor, aggressor thatis rewards the aggressor, aggressor that is not way that the that is not the way that the international relations should work future. the bottom work in the future. the bottom line is russia invaded ukraine. there's no way of getting there's no other way of getting around that is why the around that that is why the bucharest nine, countries bucharest nine, the countries which formed an which border ukraine formed an alliance in 2015 because they know what it's like to be part of the former ussr and to be invaded and what that means is, well, i think you've missed the fourth way of winning war is that everybody loses the nuclear war. wasn't that i mean, like de— war. wasn't that i mean, like de dree— war. wasn't that i mean, like the three that— war. wasn't that i mean, like the three that you— wasn't that i mean, like the three that you said, assume der— the three that you said, assume der-be— the three that you said, assume that-be something- the three that you said, assume that be something left. that there'll be something left. but that there'll be something left. bur m— that there'll be something left. bur m dere— that there'll be something left. but if there is— that there'll be something left. but if there is a— that there'll be something left. but if there is a nuclear strike eed— but if there is a nuclear strike emd ebdeesw— but if there is a nuclear strike and obviously we _ but if there is a nuclear strike and obviously we don't want that to and obviously we don't want that re—dem— and obviously we don't want that re—dem were- and obviously we don't want that to_then we're all. to be the case, then we're all in to be the case, then we're all m reed— to be the case, then we're all in real trouble— to be the case, then we're all in real trouble because , you in real trouble because, you knew.— in real trouble because, you brew-debr- in real trouble because, you brew-med .- in real trouble because, you know. right . that's know. that's right. that's debr— know. that's right. that's debr- se— know. that's right. that's right. so that's- know. that's right. that's right. so that's right. that's de— right. so that's right. that's de burd— right. so that's right. that's the fourth way. _ right. so that's right. that's the fourth way. no one wins, ddbd — the fourth way. no one wins, meme med-s— the fourth way. no one wins, right? that's right,- the fourth way. no one wins, right? d g \rredred the fourth way. no one wins, right? g \rredred right? that's right, nana but you're going to a maximum position. thing which position. the thing which pertains at moment is mutual pertains at the moment is mutual deterrence . how many deterrence. so how many countries , nato countries have

countries, nato countries have russia attacked since we gave them support? the answer is zero. why because if we were to mobilise against russia, russia would get defeated in pretty short order in the ukraine in part that they occupy at the moment . well, we won't have any moment. well, we won't have any demmd— moment. well, we won't have any joining ddro. — moment. well, we won't have any joining nato. have— moment. well, we won't have any joining nato. have they- well, we won't have any joining nato. t joining nato. have they struck those? no why? because they know the consequences of that. so going to a maximalist position about is just a about a nuclear war is just a farcical way of looking at it at the moment. well, putin said it quite a few times. i mean, danny, quite a few times. i mean, bemmw-wee- quite a few times. i mean, danny,-you think?| quite a few times. i mean,- danny,-you think? putin danny, what do you think? putin has danny, what do you think? putin res—e- danny, what do you think? putin bes—e wew- has threatened it in a way, besm-r— has threatened it in a way, besm-r be— has threatened it in a way, besm-r be e — has threatened it in a way, hasn't he ? d/rired" " has threatened it in a way,- hasn't he ? yeah,lmean, i think hasn't he? yeah, i mean, i think the overall thing that putin is trying to say is that, look, i mean, respect red lines. of mean, respect our red lines. of course, we don't want any more countries border joining countries on our border joining ukraine. i there has been ukraine. i mean, there has been finland we've finland and of course, we've talked joining talked about georgia joining joining for ukraine to joining nato. but for ukraine to joining nato. but for ukraine to join nato, it'd too be far. it would be i mean, if you could imagine a russia headed alliance . and of course, as we know, nato isn't a peaceful alliance. nato isn't a peaceful alliance. nato isn't a peaceful alliance. nato is a war alliance. nato is a well, no defensive alliance. joining joining mexico or

joining canada or mexico, joining canada or mexico, joining . that would be a huge joining. that would be a huge red line for the us arnie nato is not meant to be a peaceful alliance. so is not meant to be a peaceful alliance . so isn't it i mean, alliance. so isn't it i mean, wee-re— alliance. so isn't it i mean, youre sewed— alliance. so isn't it i mean, you're saying it's— alliance. so isn't it i mean, you're saying it's a- t so isn't it i mean, you're saying it's a war eddemee— you're saying it's a war alliance. it— you're saying it's a war alliance. it isn't, is it? is de— alliance. it isn't, is it? is be wed— alliance. it isn't, is it? is be bred r— alliance. it isn't, is it? is it? well i mean, that's what der-s— it? well i mean, that's what der-s wber— it? well i mean, that's what that's what people like jens srebemberd— that's what people like jens stoltenberg would like to remed— stoltenberg would like to bemew dem — stoltenberg would like to portray them themselves as. ' r: portray them themselves as. and of course, antony— portray them themselves as. and of course, antony blinken, who was instrumental in this ukraine crisis by ignoring of crisis by ignoring some of russia's lines in the lead russia's red lines in the lead up the start of the conflict, up to the start of the conflict, the biden administration, of course. i mean, they want to they pumped in $75 billion. so far into this into this conflict . but the whole thing about nord stream 2 and what happened there with the sabotage and some of the things that came out in seymour hersh's report about, um, all saying, dodi, we're losing you . denis macshane losing you. denis macshane vee-re— losing you. denis macshane you're shaking— losing you. denis macshane you're shaking your- g denis macshane you're shaking your head. dennis oer— you're shaking your head. dennis oer r— you're shaking your head. dennis oer r meem.— you're shaking your head. dennis oer r r— you're shaking your head. dennis obe i mean, i respected seymour dersb. — obe i mean, i respected seymour dersb. r— obe i mean, i respected seymour hersh. i worked— obe i mean, i respected seymour hersh. i worked with— obe i mean, i respected seymour hersh. : d hersh. i worked with seymour hersh. i worked with seymour hersh. now frankly, he is a wingnut . and to cite him and his

wingnut. and to cite him and his propaganda for putin, you are somebody complained. i compared what putin is doing to what the are doing. let's compare him to stalin. stalin invaded poland, a free democratic country , in free democratic country, in 1939. in close alliance with the. russian tanks from the east german panzers from the west to rub to wipe poland off the map of the world. thank god we that stage had men like churchill, not men like naval neville chamberlain, who wanted to negotiate a peaceful settlement . and yes, war is putin, though, is the biggest mass murderer on the planet at the moment. we don't stop him. he'll come back and get come back. okay well, for them finally then. - and get come back. okay well, for them finally then. so- redr: gri t t well, for them finally then. so dennis finally— for them finally then. so dennis dmedw .— for them finally then. so dennis dmedw . rs— for them finally then. so dennis dmedw . is d— for them finally then. so dennis finally , is it time— for them finally then. so dennis finally , is it time to stop finally, is it time to stop ermmd— finally, is it time to stop arming ukraine? yes or no ? no, arming ukraine? yes or no? no, no. arming ukraine? yes or no? no, bemmw— arming ukraine? yes or no? no, bemmw wes— arming ukraine? yes or no? no, bemmw wes er— arming ukraine? yes or no? no, no. danny yes or no ? d/rider arming ukraine? yes or no? no, no. danny yes or no .7 edge; r: no. danny yes or no? yes. and ded— no. danny yes or no? yes. and dmd e— no. danny yes or no? yes. and find a peaceful diplomatic solution. major—general chip

deemed— solution. major—general chip cbepmem wes— solution. major—general chip cbepmem deser— solution. major—general chip chapman, yes or no?- did" major—general chip chapman, yes or no? no and also bedemdm— chapman, yes or no? no and also benjamin finally— chapman, yes or no? no and also benjamin finally ,— chapman, yes or no? no and also benjamin finally , i— chapman, yes or no? no and also benjamin finally , i think benjamin finally, i think ebsedmew— benjamin finally, i think absolutely . _ benjamin finally, i think absolutely . �*" benjamin finally, i think absolutely. �*" absolutely. if we have people freezing and starving in britain and we're not reinvesting in our defences here, it doesn't make sense. can't do both. all sense. so you can't do both. all right. well, listen , thank you right. well, listen, thank you so for your thoughts. so much for your thoughts. that's major—general chip deemed.— that's major—general chip cbepmem e— that's major—general chip chapman, a former of chapman, a former head of counter—terrorism. chapman, a former head of counter—teiformer of macshane, former minister of see— macshane, former minister of state—benjamin. macshane, former minister of state benjamin ella state for europe, benjamin ella wbedem— state for europe, benjamin ella whelanipolitical_ state for europe, benjamin ella whelan political commentator whelan, political commentator eed— whelan, political commentator end else— whelan, political commentator and also danny— whelan, political commentator and also danny armstrong, bedded— and also danny armstrong, political commentator . thank you political commentator. thank you so meeb— political commentator. thank you so meeb rer— political commentator. thank you so much for your— political commentator. thank you so much for your thoughts. rddbr. — so much for your thoughts. rdebr. ded— so much for your thoughts. right. well, this is gb news on tv right. well, this is gb news on rv errme.— right. well, this is gb news on tv online, and— right. well, this is gb news on tv online, and on— right. well, this is gb news on tv online, and on digital radio. r-m —ader- tv online, and on digital radio.| i'm _after- break, i'm nana akua. after the break, wedd— i'm nana akua. after the break, we'll continue— i'm nana akua. after the break, we'll continue with the great bddsb— we'll continue with the great british—hour. - we'll continue with the great british _ hour. and british debate this hour. and r-m —dme- british debate this hour. and r-m —dme re- british debate this hour. and i'm _time to stop i'm asking, is it time to stop ermmd— i'm asking, is it time to stop ermine-dru- i'm asking, is it time to stop arming _ulez the l arming ukraine? ulez the deedbrs— arming ukraine? ulez the thoughts panel, thoughts of my panel, broadcaster- thoughts of my panel, broadcaster danny broadcaster and journalist danny bedd— broadcaster and journalist danny kelly,_conservativel kelly, also former conservative creme — kelly, also former conservative claire pearsall.— kelly, also former conservative claire pearsall. but first, rer-s— claire pearsall. but first, rer-s der— claire pearsall. but first, let's get your— claire pearsall. but first, let's get your latest news beeddmes— let's get your latest news headlines as— let's get your latest news headlines as .— let's get your latest news headlines as. 4:33. let's get your latest news headlines as . 4:33. by headlines as. 4:33. i'm ray addrsem— headlines as. 4:33. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top story , opposition leaders are story, opposition leaders are calling for an investor caution after it emerged that the home

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redeesred— receive the f—16 fighter jets he requested from _ receive the f—16 fighter jets he requested from his western eldes— requested from his western eddes eed— requested from his western allies and only— requested from his western allies and only last week end zedemskw— allies and only last week end zelenskyy listed— allies and only last week end zelenskyy listed a number of rerebeem— zelenskyy listed a number of european capitals where he sed— european capitals where he secured £2.3— european capitals where he secured £2.3 billion of military aid secured £2.3 billion of military erd dem — secured £2.3 billion of military aid from various— secured £2.3 billion of military aid from various countries. and deb— aid from various countries. and deb er— aid from various countries. and deb er esmse— aid from various countries. and that, of course, included remem— that, of course, included britain. so— that, of course, included britain. so what do you think? do britain. so what do you think? be we— britain. so what do you think? be we need— britain. so what do you think? do we need to— britain. so what do you think? do we need to stop supplying the weeebms— do we need to stop supplying the weeees emrd— do we need to stop supplying the weapons amid this— do we need to stop supplying the weapons amid this cost of living edsrs— weapons amid this cost of living edsrs wbere — weapons amid this cost of living crisis where people are struggling— crisis where people are struggling to- crisis where people are struggling to put the struggling to put food on the rebde— struggling to put food on the rebde-derr- struggling to put food on the table their homes, table and heat their homes, ebbeedb— table and heat their homes,- although _weather although thankfully the weather is although thankfully the weather rs—amd- although thankfully the weather rs—amd wber- is getting better? and what ebem—drsl about russia? could this edge us eeserr— about russia? could this edge us ereserle— about russia? could this edge us closer-a nuclear— about russia? could this edge us closer a nuclear war? so for closer to a nuclear war? so for de— closer to a nuclear war? so for de eeer— closer to a nuclear war? so for the great british— closer to a nuclear war? so for the great british debate, i'm esdme— the great british debate, i'm esbmd rs— the great british debate, i'm askingr is d— the great british debate, i'm asking, is it time— the great british debate, i'm asking, is it time to stop ermmd— asking, is it time to stop arming ukraine? let's see what my arming ukraine? let's see what mil—im- my panel make of that. i'm remed— my panel make of that. i'm joined broadcaster and joined by broadcaster and iewmedsr— joined by broadcaster andi journalist—and joined by broadcaster and- journalist_and also journalist danny kelly and also rermer— journalist danny kelly and also former—councillorl former conservative councillor crede— former conservative councillor creme-.— former conservative councillor ererre-. dem- former conservative councillor claire . right. claire, claire pearsall. right. claire, wber— claire pearsall. right. claire, wberlwee— claire pearsall. right. claire, what-you make- claire pearsall. right. claire, what you make of this? i what do you make of this? i reek.— what do you make of this? i mean, look, war— what do you make of this? i mean, look, war we're fighting, we're chucking— mean, look, war we're fighting, we're chucking war weapons out, seemdmd—memew- we're chucking war weapons out, spending money, and spending loads more money, and we're not actually getting emwwbere. — we're not actually getting emwwbere. -._ we're not actually getting anywhere. i think you have anywhere. but i think you have to anywhere. but i think you have re beep— anywhere. but i think you have re keep deme— anywhere. but i think you have to keep doing it. _ anywhere. but i think you have to keep doing it. i think that when it started , we only thought when it started, we only thought it going for on a few it was going to go for on a few weeks, maybe a couple months. weeks, maybe a couple of months. but going to be that but it wasn't going to be that easy so we had to easy for ukraine. so we had to step in. and i think that it's

imperative upon us that we do and we keep doing because if and we keep doing it because if we now , now russia we pull out now, now russia senses kind of weakness and senses some kind of weakness and you are then rewarding the aggressor as one of your previous guests has just said, and i know that's a really contentious argument, but i think russia sees one bit of think if russia sees one bit of weakness, it will then go after some others and find some in the chain somewhere there that you can then break it down. and i think that leads you to war a lot quicker. so i we have lot quicker. so i think we have to doing it and i to keep doing it and i understand the cost and i understand the cost and i understand your argument there about in the about the cost of living in the united kingdom . but spending on united kingdom. but spending on defence will ultimately help us in the future. so i think we have to keep it. danny have to keep doing it. danny i think people support ukraine think if people support ukraine standing up for themselves , i standing up for themselves, i think they also will have the common sense to understand that it may affect them in their purses and their wallets in purses and in their wallets in the soaring energy the sense of soaring energy prices, soaring wheat prices from ukraine. and i think a lot of from ukraine. and i think a lot er eeeme— from ukraine. and i think a lot er beerde wid— and i think a lot of people with common sense emdersremd— of people with common sense understand that— of people with common sense understand that the bigger of people with common sense understi nd that the bigger of people with common sense understi would: the bigger of people with common sense understi would like ie bigger of people with common sense understi would like to ziigger of people with common sense understi would like to think picture i would like to think eeeme— picture i would like to think beerde ee— picture i would like to think people are thinking of, picture i would like to think people are thinking of , too. people are thinking of, too. now— people are thinking of, too. dew. es— people are thinking of, too. dew. es rer—

people are thinking of, too. now, as far as— people are thinking of, too. now, as far as us spending bddems— now, as far as us spending billions of— now, as far as us spending billions of pounds in in aid to dbredme— billions of pounds in in aid to dbreme. r— billions of pounds in in aid to ukraine, i think— billions of pounds in in aid to ukraine, i think it's imperative der— ukraine, i think it's imperative that countries— ukraine, i think it's imperative that countries who can afford it wesrem— that countries who can afford it western countries,— that countries who can afford it western countries, members of dero— western countries, members of we end— western countries, members of nato and members of the g7 eemdmee— nato and members of the g7 eemdmee re— nato and members of the g7 continue to do— nato and members of the g7 continue to do so.— nato and members of the g7 continue to do so. the f 16 i ed— continue to do so. the f 16 i ed along— continue to do so. the f 16 i ed along r— continue to do so. the f 16 i all along i remember having a drseessrem— all along i remember having a discussion with— all along i remember having a discussion with someone on this bened— discussion with someone on this seemed eed— discussion with someone on this seemed emd dew— discussion with someone on this panel and they were worried ebem— panel and they were worried about sending— panel and they were worried about sending anti—tank missiles in about sending anti—tank missiles m der— about sending anti—tank missiles in case that sort— about sending anti—tank missiles in case that sort of— about sending anti—tank missiles in case that sort of provoked redw— in case that sort of provoked redm. dmd— in case that sort of provoked putin. and now— in case that sort of provoked putin. and now we're talking bed— putin. and now we're talking we've had anti—tank missiles brewmd— we've had anti—tank missiles brewme wb— we've had anti—tank missiles blowing up russian tanks, over a deesemd— blowing up russian tanks, over a deesemd er— blowing up russian tanks, over a thousand of them— blowing up russian tanks, over a thousand of them for the last 12 memds— thousand of them for the last 12 memds. very— thousand of them for the last 12 months, very successfully. and e memd— months, very successfully. and now a month or— months, very successfully. and now a month or so— months, very successfully. and now a month or so ago , there was now a month or so ago, there was a now a month or so ago, there was e debere— now a month or so ago, there was a debate about,— now a month or so ago, there was a debate about, well, we a debate about, well, should we send— a debate about, well, should we send eermem— a debate about, well, should we send german leopard or send german leopard tanks or deed— send german leopard tanks or sbeddisemd— send german leopard tanks or should send british should we send british challenger— should we send british challenger-?- should we send british challenger ? they're challenger tanks? they're eeded— challenger tanks? they're called-again,- challenger tanks? they're called. again, the same called. and again, the same eddes— called. and again, the same eddes er— called. and again, the same critics of that— called. and again, the same critics of that were saying, wed— critics of that were saying, wed .— critics of that were saying, wed . wee-re— critics of that were saying, well, you're going you're going to well, you're going you're going re bed— well, you're going you're going re bed de— well, you're going you're going to pull the tail— well, you're going you're going to pull the tail of— well, you're going you're going to pull the tail of a and to pull the tail of a tiger and rude—dds. putin ain't going to like this. i putin ain't going to like this. r beve— putin ain't going to like this. r heve-re— putin ain't going to like this. i have-to the- putin ain't going to like this. i have to the conclusion i have come to the conclusion der— i have come to the conclusion der rede— i have come to the conclusion der redm rs— i have come to the conclusion that putin is all— i have come to the conclusion that putin is all mouth and very drde— that putin is all mouth and very little downstairs— that putin is all mouth and very little downstairs in— that putin is all mouth and very little downstairs in the trouser deberrmemr. — little downstairs in the trouser deberrmemr. r— little downstairs in the trouser department. i really have eemededed— department. i really have concluded that because all along he concluded that because all along be bes— concluded that because all along he has alluded— concluded that because all along he has alluded to— concluded that because all along he has alluded to the fact of meeeerd— he has alluded to the fact of nuclear war. _ he has alluded to the fact of nuclear war. okay? him and him

eed— nuclear war. okay? him and him emd bis— nuclear war. okay? him and him end his rer— nuclear war. okay? him and him end his rer bed— nuclear war. okay? him and him and his fat pal in— nuclear war. okay? him and him and his fat pal in belarus , and his fat pal in belarus, wbere— and his fat pal in belarus, where they've— and his fat pal in belarus, where they've stationed some serrs— where they've stationed some serrs er— where they've stationed some sorts of nuclear— where they've stationed some sorts of nuclear attack , sorts of nuclear attack, mrdrew— sorts of nuclear attack, military regiments or something . errer— military regiments or something . wber der— military regiments or something . what that was— military regiments or something . what that was nine months ago. mer— . what that was nine months ago. me es— . what that was nine months ago. me sw— . what that was nine months ago. that was six months ago. and we den-r— that was six months ago. and we deem beer— that was six months ago. and we deem beer emw— that was six months ago. and we don't hear any more— that was six months ago. and we don't hear any more of it. five weers— don't hear any more of it. five weers agor— don't hear any more of it. five weers agor redr— don't hear any more of it. five years ago, putin said something and years ago, putin said something emd rm— years ago, putin said something emd r-m bedde— years ago, putin said something and i'm having paraphrase and and i'm having to paraphrase and i'm and i'm having to paraphrase and rm eerebbresmd— and i'm having to paraphrase and i'm paraphrasing in a terrible ber— i'm paraphrasing in a terrible manner. but he— i'm paraphrasing in a terrible manner. but he basically said der— manner. but he basically said der wrdem— manner. but he basically said that without russia, would that without russia, there would be me — that without russia, there would be me berm— that without russia, there would be me perm re— that without russia, there would be no point to the— that without russia, there would be no point to the earth edsdmd— be no point to the earth existing. now- be no point to the earth existing. now five years ago, eeeme— existing. now five years ago, beerde deeded— existing. now five years ago, people thought what the hell is der—bm— people thought what the hell is der—bm mew- people thought what the hell is that—but now,.of| people thought what the hell is tisudden but now, of people thought what the hell is tisudden in but now, of people thought what the hell is tisudden in the3ut now, of people thought what the hell is tisudden in the lastiow, of people thought what the hell is tisudden in the last 12v, of people thought what the hell is tisudden in the last 12 months, a sudden in the last 12 months, beds— a sudden in the last 12 months, he'slstrategist_ a sudden in the last 12 months, he'slstrategist .— a sudden in the last 12 months, he'slstrategist . he- a sudden in the last 12 months, he's strategist . he knew that he's a strategist. he knew that at he's a strategist. he knew that er see— he's a strategist. he knew that er berm— he's a strategist. he knew that at some point that was going to mere—rime- at some point that was going to mere—dme .- at some point that was going to mere—dme . dr- at some point that was going to. make—time , it made make sense. at the time, it made no make sense. at the time, it made me-bm— make sense. at the time, it made me-bm ew— make sense. at the time, it made no-but now people- make sense. at the time, it made no but now people who no sense. but now people who beve— no sense. but now people who bewe wbe— no sense. but now people who bewe wbe ee— no sense. but now people who have who are frightened, i said , have who are frightened, i said dred— have who are frightened, i said . bred-redd— have who are frightened, i said , well,-told you- have who are frightened, i said , well, told you that's , well, look, i told you that's wber— , well, look, i told you that's wbe-serd.— , well, look, i told you that's what-said. 4— , well, look, i told you that's what-said. 4 or- , well, look, i told you that's what-said. 4 or 5- , well, look, i told you that's what said. 4 or 5 years ago. what he said. 4 or 5 years ago. dds— what he said. 4 or 5 years ago. dds-der— what he said. 4 or 5 years ago. dds-eer bis— what he said. 4 or 5 years ago. this-got his finger- what he said. 4 or 5 years ago. this got his finger on this guy's got his finger on the meeeerr— this guy's got his finger on the nuclear-think- this guy's got his finger on the nuclear-think that- nuclear button. i think that beds—bred- nuclear button. i think that. he's—bluff called. he's he's had his bluff called. my he's he's had his bluff called. my emb— he's he's had his bluff called. my only concern— he's he's had his bluff called. my only concern is how is all my only concern is how is it all going— my only concern is how is it all eeree—bee- my only concern is how is it all eeree—bee 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depleting our own as depleting our own supplies as well. involve carving well. that would involve carving up it? up ukraine, though, wouldn't it? the ukraine. and the eastern part of ukraine. and dem— the eastern part of ukraine. and dem wee— the eastern part of ukraine. and dem wee wedd— the eastern part of ukraine. and then you would say, well, you deede— then you would say, well, you dem-e brew. — then you would say, well, you dem-e brew. r— then you would say, well, you don't know. i then you would say, well, you don't know. " �*dfrdrix don't know. i mean. well, i think well, if you were to force zelenskyy into negotiation , then zelenskyy into negotiation, then and a sovereign country . and he's a sovereign country. he's the prime minister of a evereddm— he's the prime minister of a sovereign country, why should he beve— sovereign country, why should he eeve—de— sovereign country, why should he have _the eastern- have to carve up the eastern eeree — have to carve up the eastern eeree .der— have to carve up the eastern part? .that might- have to carve up the eastern part? .that might not. have to carve up the eastern part? g have to carve up the eastern- part? .that might not be what part? but that might not be what the negotiation ends up being. but be get out or else but it might be get out or else we'll you to smithereens. we'll blast you to smithereens. but would but do we think they would eereeddv— actually get round the negotiating- actually get round the negotiating table in the first place? — negotiating table in the first edeeee d— negotiating table in the first place? d dese— negotiating table in the first place? g what place? i just staring out. what mebes— place? i just staring out. what meves vee— place? i just staring out. what makes you think— place? i just staring out. what makes you think that- place? g what makes you think that it'll be de— makes you think that it'll be like ukraine? _ makes you think that it'll be like ukraine? t like ukraine? the answer nuclear power. no, no, no. but. but. but. power. no, no, no. but. but. ber- ber— power. no, no, no. but. but. ber- bed ber— power. no, no, no. but. but. but. but but if.— power. no, no, no. but. but. but. but but if.imean- power. no, no, no. but. but.- but. but but if.imean-say but. but but if. i mean just say for but. but but if. i mean just say rer ereemem-s— but. but but if. i mean just say for argument's nato and for argument's sake, nato and all for argument's sake, nato and eed-eders— for argument's sake, nato and all-others said,— for argument's sake, nato and all others said, look, get all the others said, look, get eer— all the others said, look, get eerledse— all the others said, look, get outlelse russia,- all the others said, look, get. out-else russia,-next. out or else russia, you're next. vre-re— out or else russia, you're next. were-der— out or else russia, you're next. were-rer vee- out or else russia, you're next. were-rer vee .- out or else russia, you're next. we're _for you . you - out or else russia, you're next. we're for you . you know, we're coming for you. you know, ede— we're coming for you. you know, ddkelwes— we're coming for you. you know, delves-ed— we're coming for you. you know, likelwas-of-i- we're coming for you. you know, likelwas-of-i don't. like it was part of the i don't brew.— like it was part of the i don't vmew. ber— like it was part of the i don't vmew. bed dd— like it was part of the i don't know. but if there was a deed— know. but if there was a different negotiation tactic redee— different negotiation tactic redder-de— different negotiation tactic rather-the one- different negotiation tactic rather the one they're rather than the one they're emedevdme— rather than the one they're employing, zelenskyy employing, as in zelenskyy would beve—ddmds- have to retreat and things like ded— have to retreat and things like der. d— have to retreat and things like der. d meere— have to retreat and things like that. i mean, i'm— have to retreat and things like that. i mean, i'm not saying der— that. i mean, i'm not saying der-sbeedd— that. i mean, i'm not saying that-should do- that. i mean, i'm not saying that should do anything to that they should do anything to ddessde—wev russia, but i think that the way eeree.— russia, but i think that the way we're going,-isn't- russia, but i think that the way we're going, isn't working. we're going, this isn't working. so we're going, this isn't working. se—meed- we're going, this isn't working. se—meed re- so i think they need to negotiate. _ so i think they need to negotiate. cd?" . so i think they need to- negotiate. but i don't think that around the

that you'd get putin around the table about it. think. table to talk about it. i think. any that has been and any chance of that has been and gone and when you look at what donald trump and i'm no fan of donald trump and i'm no fan of donald trump, but he said right at the beginning, you need to negotiate putin and. all negotiate with putin and. all right. he may well be right in that but i think that he is right. but i think that he is right. but i think that moment's gone. and here we are. what a year or so later, we're in a pretty bad situation. we're and more we're now putting more and more resources . his the f—16 jets resources. his the f—16 jets that coming from other that are coming from other countries. after countries. what happens after that? and i think. well, that's right. we don't know. nato doesn't know. and g7 haven't doesn't know. and the g7 haven't really answers either. really got any answers either. and sort looking and everyone's sort of looking going, just going, well, let's just hope that putin's either really ill and just gives up or and gives up orjust gives up or something else happens. and i think this is a really bad place to be. and there seems to be no strategy as to what do next. strategy as to what we do next. and that becomes worrying. and that becomes more worrying. i've been supportive of i've always been supportive of the action that taken , but the action that we've taken, but when the end it when you don't see the end of it , you can't see that sort of ray of light. i think it's a really hopeless situation. do you think dew-re— hopeless situation. do you think deev-re rrvme— hopeless situation. do you think deev-re rrvme re — hopeless situation. do you think they're trying to deplete- did" do you think they're trying to deplete us of all

they're trying to deplete us of ed eer— they're trying to deplete us of all our weapons— they're trying to deplete us of all our weapons so that in the end— all our weapons so that in the eed—emvddmel end we won't have anything beese— end we won't have anything- because—anything? because we won't have anything? benev— because we won't have anything? berry—ed- because we won't have anything? danny—of course,. danny well, we will, of course, beve —me - danny well, we will, of course,| beve—meldem-r have some. well, no, we don't have some. well, no, we don't have very all. i mean, have very much at all. i mean, even our army. yes— have very much at all. i mean, even our army. yes but- i mean, even our army. yes but we're ddvdmd— even our army. yes but we're giving evev— even our army. yes but we're giving ewev mesr— even our army. yes but we're giving away most of our a lot of our weapons. iknow,- giving away most of our a lot of our weapons. i know, but that doesn't we have doesn't mean we won't have anything. won't have anything. well, we won't have meeb. — anything. well, we won't have meeb. iver-r— anything. well, we won't have much. .won't be— anything. well, we won't have much.-won't be able- eye 3 well, we won't have much. won't be able to defend much. we won't be able to defend eesevesd se— much. we won't be able to defend ourselves. so don't— much. we won't be able to defend ourselves. cdifid" . dg much. we won't be able to defend ourselves. cdifid" . g ourselves. so don't forget, we got a collection got nato, which is a collection of 27 countries. russia of 26 or 27 countries. russia has lousy they has demonstrated how lousy they are military field . don't are on the military field. don't forget, we were expecting tanks to the of kyiv to roll on the streets of kyiv within weeks. they're within 2 or 3 weeks. they're having to rely on people paid mercenaries. so this wagner group, this this bunch of thugs , they're from all around the world, from wouldn't surprise me if there some british if there were some british soldiers there. well, i don't brew.— soldiers there. well, i don't know-meddl— soldiers there. well, i don't know.imean, look,- soldiers there. well, i don't. know.imean, look,-don't know. i mean, look, you don't brew— know. i mean, look, you don't know-mercenaries. know. i mean, look, you don't know mercenaries are know what the mercenaries are bedd— know what the mercenaries are eedd—amd- know what the mercenaries are eedd—amd del know what the mercenaries are- paid _and the reason paid mercenaries. and the reason he's he he's got them is because he can't trust own russian can't trust his own russian federation army. why else would you him? well, i mean, you have him? well, i mean, deed.— you have him? well, i mean, deed—eereedi look, that's that's the actual wemere— look, that's that's the actual warfare - don't - look, that's that's the actual warfare don't really warfare itself. i don't really get— warfare itself. i don't really eer-dmd- warfare itself. i don't really get-thing that. warfare itself. i don't really- get-thing that doesn't get the whole thing that doesn't der— get the whole thing that doesn't| der—beed. that goes straight over my head. all that goes straight over my head. add-dee— that goes straight over my head. add-dd people- that goes straight over my head. all-that people are- all i see is that people are eemdmeeddv— all i see is that people are continually-and- all i see is that people are continually and that we continually dying and that we are supplyimj— continually dying and that we are supplying lots of weapons. so are supplying lots of weapons. seiere— are supplying lots of weapons. so.are partisan— are supplying lots of weapons. so.are partisan to- are supplying lots of weapons. so are partisan to that . and

so we are partisan to that. and d-m — so we are partisan to that. and d-m-deevdmd— so we are partisan to that. and d-m-deevdmd er— so we are partisan to that. and i'm-looking at it- so we are partisan to that. and i'm looking at it thinking i'm just looking at it thinking der— i'm just looking at it thinking reed—e— i'm just looking at it thinking der—e beeper- i'm just looking at it thinking that a proper end i'm just looking at it thinking. that—a proper end in that i don't see a proper end in debr— that i don't see a proper end in sddbr eed— that i don't see a proper end in sdeder and-only— that i don't see a proper end in sight and .only end- that i don't see a proper end in sight and only end seems to sight and the only end seems to be-emd— sight and the only end seems to be-emd ee— sight and the only end seems toi be-and more-until be more and more weapons until semebedv— be more and more weapons until somebody somebody blinks first, wbdeb— somebody somebody blinks first, wbdeb-ed— somebody somebody blinks first, wbdeb-ed ee— somebody somebody blinks first, which-of one of- somebody somebody blinks first, which of one of the which is kind of one of the ddmds— which is kind of one of the ddmes der— which is kind of one of the things that general tripp things that major general tripp ebeemem—mvl chapman was saying. but my deedbrs— chapman was saying. but my deeeeders ee— chapman was saying. but my thoughts are actually the cost of thoughts are actually the cost ed—bemem- thoughts are actually the cost of_human life.- thoughts are actually the costi of_human life. but of it is a huge human life. but eer-s— of it is a huge human life. but der-s see— of it is a huge human life. but let's see what— of it is a huge human life. but let's see what your thoughts are for let's see what your thoughts are be der— let's see what your thoughts are be der eme— let's see what your thoughts are for that one. keep— let's see what your thoughts are for that one. keep them coming , for that one. keep them coming, beese— for that one. keep them coming, beese dds— for that one. keep them coming, because this show— for that one. keep them coming, because this show is nothing wddeer— because this show is nothing wddeer vee— because this show is nothing without you and _ because this show is nothing without you and your views. eer-s— without you and your views. let's welcome— without you and your views. let's welcome our great british without you and your views. let's wto:ome our great british without you and your views. let's wto :om(show. ireat british voices to the show. your eeeedemdrv— voices to the show. your opportunity be on and tell us opportunity to be on and tell us wber— opportunity to be on and tell us we vee— opportunity to be on and tell us wdeer vee dmd— opportunity to be on and tell us what you think about the topics we're discussing.— what you think about the topics we're discussing. i've got two of we're discussing. i've got two ed-rerdbem.- we're discussing. i've got two of-fordham. she'si of you, coral fordham. she's dere—edse of you, coral fordham. she's- there_also lee there in cambridge and also lee deeds— harris from bristol. coral, i'm going— harris from bristol. coral, i'm eeeme—vee.- harris from bristol. coral, i'm eeeme—vee. weed harris from bristol. coral, i'm. eeeme—vee. wber de going to start with you. what do you going to start with you. what do vee dmd?— going to start with you. what do you think?|mean,_ going to start with you. what do you think? mean, we're just you think? i mean, we're just going— you think? i mean, we're just going-0n— you think? i mean, we're just dedmd-em ermdmd- going to carry on arming ukraine in going to carry on arming ukraine dm-dd— going to carry on arming ukraine dm-dd d— going to carry on arming ukraine dm-dd d deme— going to carry on arming ukraine in-hi i nana and- going to carry on arming ukraine in hi i nana and hello in this way. hi i nana and hello to in this way. hi i nana and hello re veer— in this way. hi i nana and hello re veer panel— in this way. hi i nana and hello re veer bemed. — in this way. hi i nana and hello to your panel. um,- in this way. hi i nana and hello to your panel . in this way. hi i nana and hello to your panel. um, i think history has shown that you can't appease a bully. um i don't think we've got any choice but to carry on in the vein that we are. so i do agree with clare. i mean, the other part of it obviously is i would much rather our money be spent looking after our money be spent looking after our people because got our own people because we've got enough this country enough hardship in this country that to look at and deal

that we need to look at and deal with. but if we stop backing up the with. but if we stop backing up de evredre.— but if we stop backing up the ukraine, unfortunately putin is the ukraine, unfortunately putin ds deme— the ukraine, unfortunately putin ds eemd re— the ukraine, unfortunately putin ds going re see— the ukraine, unfortunately putin is going to see the weakness in our is going to see the weakness in emeerv eed— is going to see the weakness in our armoury and he's going to feeder— our armoury and he's going to come further and— our armoury and he's going to come further and further towards us. come further and further towards dmd— come further and further towards dmd we— come further and further towards us. and we can't— come further and further towards us. and we can't allow that to happen- — us. and we can't allow that to happen- deer-s— us. and we can't allow that to happen. that's that's the long eed— happen. that's that's the long emd sbere— happen. that's that's the long emd sbere ed— happen. that's that's the long and short of it.— happen. that's that's the long and short of it. and i would meeb— and short of it. and i would much rather— and short of it. and i would much rather that they sit reeeder— much rather that they sit together, negotiate, talk about it together, negotiate, talk about de de— together, negotiate, talk about de ddbe mevbe— together, negotiate, talk about it like maybe other people might do. it like maybe other people might de. ber— it like maybe other people might de. bed d— it like maybe other people might do. but i think— it like maybe other people might do. but i think sadly, we've deme— do. but i think sadly, we've gone eesr— do. but i think sadly, we've gone past that— do. but i think sadly, we've gone past that stage now. i dr— gone past that stage now. i de ds— gone past that stage now. i mean, it is it's— gone past that stage now. i mean, it is it's tragic and i den-r— mean, it is it's tragic and i dem-e brew— mean, it is it's tragic and i don't know where it's going to end.— don't know where it's going to end. d— don't know where it's going to end. d meem— don't know where it's going to end. i mean, and— don't know where it's going to end. i mean, and as you say, the meme— end. i mean, and as you say, the memev de— end. i mean, and as you say, the money, the lives,— end. i mean, and as you say, the money, the lives, the depletion of money, the lives, the depletion ed eer— money, the lives, the depletion of our own armoury, it's a werrvdmd— of our own armoury, it's a worrying situation. but, you drew— worrying situation. but, you drew .— worrying situation. but, you drew . wbere— worrying situation. but, you know , where is— worrying situation. but, you know , where is it going to end? know, where is it going to end? i know, where is it going to end? d den-r— know, where is it going to end? d dem-e vmew. — know, where is it going to end? i don't know. so— know, where is it going to end? i don't know. so thank you for that. carl, what about you, lee? lee, what do you think ? you lee, what do you think? you know, there are some- r:rir "

right to question our strategy. vee— right to question our strategy. you knew.— right to question our strategy. you drew. dds— right to question our strategy. you know, it's been— right to question our strategy. you know, it's been over- right to question our strategy. you know, it's been over a year since russia invaded ukraine completely unprovoked . completely unprovoked. thousands of civilians have completely unprovoked. - thousands of civilians have died and thousands of civilians have died emd e— thousands of civilians have died emd e ded— thousands of civilians have died emd e ded ed— thousands of civilians have died and a lot of military assets and deemed— and a lot of military assets and financial support— and a lot of military assets and financial support has been eemmddded— financial support has been committed to— financial support has been committed to ukraine. but i eeree— committed to ukraine. but i eeree-vee.— committed to ukraine. but i eeree-vee. dee- committed to ukraine. but i agree you. you know , there agree with you. you know, there is agree with you. you know, there ds e— agree with you. you know, there ds e reed— agree with you. you know, there is a real concern— agree with you. you know, there is a real concern about leaving. our—under—resourced our own military under—resourced and our own military under—resourced emd de— our own military under—resourced emd dbe eesd— our own military under—resourced and the cost of— our own military under—resourced and the cost of all— our own military under—resourced and the cost of all of this deeded— and the cost of all of this during eesd— and the cost of all of this during cost of— and the cost of all of this during cost of living crisis. it isldifficult_ during cost of living crisis. it is difficult situation is a difficult situation that needs— is a difficult situation that needs constantly monitored needs to be constantly monitored . dd— needs to be constantly monitored . d-d ede— needs to be constantly monitored . d-d ddde de— needs to be constantly monitored . i'd like to see— needs to be constantly monitored . i'd like to see again, eereeme— . i'd like to see again, agreeing with you push agreeing with you a bigger push for agreeing with you a bigger push rer-beeee— agreeing with you a bigger push for-peace talks- agreeing with you a bigger push for-peace talks .- agreeing with you a bigger push for peace talks . but at for renewed peace talks. but at the for renewed peace talks. but at de-d— for renewed peace talks. but at de-d sddd— for renewed peace talks. but at the-i still think- for renewed peace talks. but at the-i still think on. the moment i still think on bedemee— the moment i still think on balance it's— the moment i still think on balance it's right that ukraine sbeedd— balance it's right that ukraine sbeedd be— balance it's right that ukraine should be given— balance it's right that ukraine should be given the weapons to defend— should be given the weapons to defend itself— should be given the weapons to defend itself against russian eeeressdem. — defend itself against russian aggression. now, hopefully this mdssdde— aggression. now, hopefully this new missile system and the ddbder— new missile system and the dederer reds— new missile system and the fighter jets will— new missile system and the fighter jets will make a difference _ fighter jets will make a difference and hopefully ukraine can difference and hopefully ukraine eese— difference and hopefully ukraine can push russia— difference and hopefully ukraine can push russia back with this counter—offensive— can push russia back with this counter—offensive and then mededede— counter—offensive and then negotiate from _ counter—offensive and then negotiate from a position of deemed.— negotiate from a position of sdremede. bed— negotiate from a position of strength. but one last quick bedd— strength. but one last quick bedmd .— strength. but one last quick eedmr . rbds— strength. but one last quick point . this is— strength. but one last quick point . this is a— strength. but one last quick point . this is a collective point. this is a collective deedsdem— point. this is a collective decision in— point. this is a collective decision in the- point. this is a collective decision in the united states is by der— decision in the united states is by be de— decision in the united states is by far the largest— decision in the united states is by far the largest contributor of by far the largest contributor ed mdddderv— by far the largest contributor of military aid. _ by far the largest contributor of military aid. i— by far the largest contributor of military aid. i think we spend— of military aid. i think we spend ebeed— of military aid. i think we spent about 6— of military aid. i think we spent about 6 billion or committed— spent about 6 billion or committed about 6 billion so fare— committed about 6 billion so rer. wbdeb— committed about 6 billion so far, which don't— 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dds— far, which don't get me wrong, dbds ds— far, which don't get me wrong, dbds ds e— far, which don't get me wrong, dbds ds e beee— far, which don't get me wrong, this is a huge amount of money. bed— this is a huge amount of money. bed dd— this is a huge amount of money. bed dd vee— this is a huge amount of money. bed dr vee eed— this is a huge amount of money. but if you put that— this is a huge amount of money. but if you put that into eerseeedve— but if you put that into perspective, that will pay for the perspective, that will pay for dbe der— perspective, that will pay for dbe rer dwe — perspective, that will pay for the for two weeks. yeah , for the for two weeks. so yeah, for dwe— the for two weeks. so yeah, for dwe weeds— the for two weeks. so yeah, for dwe weeds dd— the for two weeks. so yeah, for two weeks it up. _ the for two weeks. so yeah, for two weeks it up. is- the for two weeks. so yeah, for two weeks it up. e / two weeks it up. is it. yeah. dee— two weeks it up. is it. yeah. lee thank you very much lee harris, thank you very much and fordham thank you and also coral fordham thank you lovely speak this is lovely to speak to you. this is my voices. those my great british voices. those are thoughts. what are are their thoughts. what are yours? we've are their thoughts. what are you loads we've are their thoughts. what are you loads more we've are their thoughts. what are you loads more still we've are their thoughts. what are you loads more still to we've are their thoughts. what are you loads more still to come e've are their thoughts. what are you loads more still to come .'ve are their thoughts. what are you loads more still to come . at got loads more still to come. at 450, it'll be time for world view, the host of politics view, the host of the politics people duddridge , people podcast, paul duddridge, will be live to discuss the top stories atlantic, stories across the atlantic, including latest g7 talks. including the latest g7 talks. then, don't forget, at 5:00, my mystery guest will be here. don't miss it

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summit. so joining me now, it's the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge. so let's stateside and have a let's go stateside and have a chat with him there. he's there in lay. hello, paul . so what's in lay. hello, paul. so what's going on, then? talk to me. joe biden, sleepy joe acas. joe biden's in. joe he's our- biden's in. joe he's our deveerdde. — biden's in. joe he's our favourite. joe- biden's in. joe he's our favourite. joe biden's in hiroshima— favourite. joe biden's in hiroshima like that city hasn't semered— hiroshima like that city hasn't suffered enough,— hiroshima like that city hasn't suffered enough, but yes, he was dere— suffered enough, but yes, he was dere wdd— suffered enough, but yes, he was there with the _ suffered enough, but yes, he was there with the g7— suffered enough, but yes, he was there with the g7 meeting of seemmedv— there with the g7 meeting of seemmedv dese— there with the g7 meeting of seemingly just like minded eewedesd — seemingly just like minded countries. the— seemingly just like minded countries. : e g countries. the idea of it being the top seven economies in the world has gone out the window. it's lots and lots of european redem— it's lots and lots of european dmdem eed— it's lots and lots of european union and then— it's lots and lots of european union and then lots of european eewedesd — union and then lots of european eewedesd se— union and then lots of european countries. so don't— union and then lots of european countries. cd?" . i countries. so don't even know. it's kind overpopulated. but it's kind of overpopulated. but yes.joe it's kind of overpopulated. but yes. joe biden, was there- yes. joe biden, was there a sdembddmd— yes. joe biden, was there a stumbling and— yes. joe biden, was there a stumbling and a fallen at. i eer-d— stumbling and a fallen at. i eem-d dds— stumbling and a fallen at. i can't it's the— stumbling and a fallen at. i can't it's the issue- stumbling and a fallen at. i can't it's the issue kashima shrine. can't it's the issue kashima shnne. he can't it's the issue kashima shrine. he had a stumble there. his shrine. he had a stumble there. dds evedddme— shrine. he had a stumble there. dds eveddme dd— shrine. he had a stumble there. his exciting it couldn't be contained and he kind of but there is this thing where his handlers. there is some kind of eemedv— handlers. there is some kind of eemedv sbew— handlers. there is some kind of comedy show going— : there is some kind of comedy show going on because dev— comedy show going on because deev keep— comedy show going on because they keep sending him to sddreese— they keep sending him to staircase aces— they keep sending him to staircase aces that have no

bemdredds— staircase aces that have no handrails in— staircase aces that have no handrails in sort- staircase aces that have no handrails in sort of near eredmdrv— handrails in sort of near erevdmdrv re — handrails in sort of near proximity to him. «edit? proximity to him. so, yes, he managed to do the biden stumble for us. he signed a climate change deal with australia . so, change deal with australia. so, you know, big t: : so, you know, big controversial sdem. — you know, big controversial sdem. beds— you know, big controversial stuff. he's left- you know, big controversial stuff. he's left .- you know, big controversial stuff. ri ri stuff. he's left. he was supposed to leave the g7 and go to australia and papua new guinea, but he's cut those short because he has to get back to washington dc to negotiate the debt ceiling, which is just a max out. even more on the credit eerd— max out. even more on the credit eerd de— max out. even more on the credit eerd re eev— max out. even more on the credit eerd re eev der— max out. even more on the credit card to pay for other— even more on the credit card to pay for other people's berders— card to pay for other people's berders de— card to pay for other people's borders to be— card to pay for other people's borders to be protected . d/rie�* borders to be protected. yeah, bemesdw— borders to be protected. yeah, bemesdv. .,_ borders to be protected. yeah, bemesdv. ., d— borders to be protected. yeah, honestly, i, i don't feel that he knows what he's doing. i don't think he knows what's going on. but also had the going on. but also we had the durham that came out this durham report that came out this week. oh no, he's gone. and basically a great basically that was a great report trump report because it cleared trump of any russian collusion. so we're hopefully we're going to hopefully get paul about that. paul back to talk about that. but let's talk my panel here. but let's talk to my panel here. joe biden , i mean, look, danny joe biden, i mean, look, danny kelly, i've just seen the stumble . oh, yeah. i don't know stumble. oh, yeah. i don't know what we could have put the clip. i wonder if we could find the

clip stumble. i mean, clip of his stumble. i mean, joe, you're clip of his stumble. i mean, joe,-you're.oxygenl joe, man, you're an oxygen dryer.— joe, man, you're an oxygen deem-ded— joe, man, you're an oxygen deem-eed e- joe, man, you're an oxygen aryan. got a history of aryan. you've got a history of sdembddme— aryan. you've got a history of stumbling, and— aryan. you've got a history of stumbling, and he doesn't hold the stumbling, and he doesn't hold bee—eb— stumbling, and he doesn't hold de—oe. me— stumbling, and he doesn't hold de—oe. ree .- stumbling, and he doesn't hold the oh, no , because he the handrail. oh, no, because he dddm-d— the handrail. oh, no, because he dddm-d-de— the handrail. oh, no, because he didn't-to seem— the handrail. oh, no, because he didn't to seem weak. maybe, didn't want to seem weak. maybe, but didn't want to seem weak. maybe, bed—wes— didn't want to seem weak. maybe, bed—wes reeddv- but i thought that was really dmderesdmd. — but i thought that was really interesting. .put- but i thought that was really interesting. i but i thought that was really interesting. .s i interesting. they put him in places where there are no handrails, deliberately handrails, no deliberately waiting. it's so unfair. he ebese— waiting. it's so unfair. he ebese med— waiting. it's so unfair. he chose not to— waiting. it's so unfair. he chose not to use- waiting. it's so unfair. he chose not to use it- e 3 it's so unfair. he chose not to use it well. so dere— chose not to use it well. so dere wee— chose not to use it well. so there were no— chose not to use it well. so there were no handrails . anyway, there were no handrails. anyway, red-s— there were no handrails. anyway, ded-s de— there were no handrails. anyway, ded-s de beek— there were no handrails. anyway, beds 90 beed de— there were no handrails. anyway, let's go back to paul. he's back .—deddmd- let's go back to paul. he's back ._talking about. . paul, we were talking about de— . paul, we were talking about de-reeere— . paul, we were talking about the-report-camej the durham report that came out this the durham report that came out dbds weed.— the durham report that came out this week,-cleared- the durham report that came out this week, cleared trump this week, which cleared trump of this week, which cleared trump ed eev— this week, which cleared trump er emv deessdem— this week, which cleared trump of any russian collusion . so of any russian collusion. so beds— of any russian collusion. so be-s ded— of any russian collusion. so dee-s eed eed— of any russian collusion. so he's got out of— of any russian collusion. so he's got out of that one. it did dem— he's got out of that one. it did more than exonerate trump and say more than exonerate trump and sev dere— more than exonerate trump and sev dere es— more than exonerate trump and sev dere me— more than exonerate trump and say there was no russia eeddesdem. — say there was no russia collusion. it- say there was no russia collusion. t say there was no russia- collusion. it actually pointed the finger at, i would use the word dishonest, fbi, the report findings that this should this investigation should never have even taken place, that there was a predisposition in the fbi to find trump guilty and then go looking for evidence and this goes completely against the idea of any kind of equity or balance or objectivity in a federal department. let's said it's not

bedde— department. let's said it's not even being reported- department. let's said it's not even being reported in- : let's said it's not even being reported in the way it even being reported in the way dd sbeedd— even being reported in the way dd sbeedd. dd— even being reported in the way it should. if this— even being reported in the way it should. if this was any other eresddemd— it should. if this was any other eresddemd ed— it should. if this was any other president at any— it should. if this was any other president at any other time, dds— president at any other time, dbds weedd— president at any other time, this would be— president at any other time, this would be front page news. rbds— this would be front page news. rbds ds— this would be front page news. rbds ds de— this would be front page news. this is the federal— this would be front page news. this is the federal government, a this is the federal government, ededered— this is the federal government, a federal agency— this is the federal government, a federal agency turning against and a federal agency turning against emd evervddmd— a federal agency turning against and everything that trump said deb.— and everything that trump said ded. vee— and everything that trump said that, vee drew.— and everything that trump said that, you know, people like bill ddeber— that, you know, people like bill ddeber eed— that, you know, people like bill maher and cnn— that, you know, people like bill maher and cnn mocked him for veers— maher and cnn mocked him for vees sevmd— maher and cnn mocked him for years, saying that,— maher and cnn mocked him for years, saying that, you know, i seeded— years, saying that, you know, i seded em— years, saying that, you know, i was spied on and— years, saying that, you know, i was spied on and this was all dere— was spied on and this was all derelde— was spied on and this was all there-the report,- was spied on and this was all there the report, hardly there in the report, hardly eerrme—dds- getting any news. it's absolutely— getting any news. it's absolutely disgraceful . it's absolutely disgraceful. it's unbelievable because,- r: gt it's unbelievable because, as you sedd— unbelievable because, as you sedd. dd— unbelievable because, as you sedd. dd de— unbelievable because, as you said, if the shoe— unbelievable because, as you said, if the shoe was on the deer— said, if the shoe was on the edber deed. — said, if the shoe was on the other foot, they'd have it. rbev-d— other foot, they'd have it. deev-d be— other foot, they'd have it. they'd be using it to kind of beee— they'd be using it to kind of demo bdm— they'd be using it to kind of demo dedm by— they'd be using it to kind of demo dedm by d.— they'd be using it to kind of hang him by it. literally arnie wber— hang him by it. literally arnie. weed—beds what about desantis then? he's going— what about desantis then? he's demo—dds— what about desantis then? he's going his candidacy what about desantis then? he's goinweek. his candidacy what about desantis then? he's goinweek. i his candidacy what about desantis then? he's goinweek. i mean,s candidacy what about desantis then? he's goinweek. i mean, it's ndidacy what about desantis then? he's goinweek. i mean, it's already this week. i mean, it's already everlbdm— this week. i mean, it's already over-him, though,- this week. i mean, it's already over him, though, isn't it? over for him, though, isn't it? med-s— over for him, though, isn't it? rbed-s wber— over for him, though, isn't it? rbed-s wbed d— over for him, though, isn't it? that's what i hear , yes. i don't that's what i hear, yes. i don't dmew wbv— that's what i hear, yes. i don't even know why he's bothering. it's extraordinary— even know why he's bothering. it's extraordinary .— even know why he's bothering. it's extraordinary . he's- even know why he's bothering. it's extraordinary. he's he's going to declare on wednesday and this was the you know, this was the golden boy of the republican party. he was going to be republican party. he was going be be de— republican party. he was going to be the trump— republican party. he was going to be the trump basher- t t i he was going to be the trump basher , if you to be the trump basher, if you ddde. — to be the trump basher, if you ddde. de— to be the trump basher, if you ddde. be we— to be the trump basher, if you like. he was going- to be the trump basher, if you like. he was going to- to be the trump basher, if you like. grir g to be the trump basher, if you like. grid 3 like. he was going to take out trump. he is, at least for favourably on a on a good day . favourably on a on a good day. he's 20 points behind trumpw

he's 20 points behind trump now. vdew. dmd— he's 20 points behind trump now. vdew. dmd beds— he's 20 points behind trump now. and he's declaring on wow. and he's declaring on vvedmesdev.— wow. and he's declaring on wednesday. the— and he's declaring on wednesday. the thing is this is sddmddeemd— wednesday. the thing is this is significant because it's not desd— significant because it's not desd de— significant because it's not just the politics, it's the eered— just the politics, it's the actual fundraising . who is going actual fundraising. who is going to actual fundraising. who is going be dmvesd— actual fundraising. who is going be dmvesd dm— actual fundraising. who is going be dmvesd be e— actual fundraising. who is going to invest in a candidate that is dmd— to invest in a candidate that is ddmd ed— to invest in a candidate that is ddmd ed eve— to invest in a candidate that is kind of over before the race sderds. — kind of over before the race even starts. so— kind of over before the race even starts. so it's a very ddmdeedd— even starts. so it's a very difficult position that desantis is difficult position that desantis ds eerrme— difficult position that desantis is putting himself into. he sbeedd— is putting himself into. he should have— is putting himself into. he should have just he really sbeedd— should have just he really sdeeedd iesd— should have just he really should just stop and become a eemdddede— should just stop and become a candidate for— should just stop and become a candidate for because he he was so candidate for because he he was se eremdsmd. — candidate for because he he was so promising. but— candidate for because he he was so promising. but at- candidate for because he he was so promising. but at the beginning . so promising. but at the beginning. but let's so promising. but at the beginning . but let's move on. beginning. but let's move on. we've got to finish off on harry and meghan. do you think they finally gone too far? because we've saw new york mayor we've we saw the new york mayor literally kind of laughing. everyone laughing everyone seemed to be laughing at to me about the at them. talk to me about the mood there with regard to them. absolutely look, we've all been fed eb— absolutely look, we've all been fed eb dm— absolutely look, we've all been fed up in britain— absolutely look, we've all been fed up in britain for— absolutely look, we've all been fed up in britain for a- ' oily look, we've all been fed up in britain for a long dme— fed up in britain for a long ddme wdd— fed up in britain for a long time with harry. meghan. no, it's fine. finally, it's bedded.— it's fine. finally, it's twigged. they've twigged in the bedded— twigged. they've twigged in the united states— twigged. they've twigged in the united states .— twigged. they've twigged in the united states . the minute you united states. the minute you say— united states. the minute you sev vee— united states. the minute you sev vee eee— united states. the minute you sev vee 90— united states. the minute you sev vee 90 em— united states. the minute you say you can go on a 2.5 hour ebese— say you can go on a 2.5 hour ebese dm— say you can go on a 2.5 hour chase in manhattan , americans chase in manhattan, americans wed— chase in manhattan, americans wed dee— chase in manhattan, americans won't. you can't— chase in manhattan, americans won't. you can't you walk out? vee— won't. you can't you walk out? vee eee-d— won't. you can't you walk out? you can't move— won't. you can't you walk out? you can't move for— won't. you can't you walk out? you can't move for 2.5- won't. you can't you walk out? you can't move for 2.5 hours in new york. this is crazy. so look

, even even whoopi— \rridrrd / this is crazy. so look , even even whoopi goldberg bride / this is crazy. so look , even even whoopi goldberg came out , even even whoopi goldberg came eed eed— , even even whoopi goldberg came eed emd em— , even even whoopi goldberg came eed emd ere rbe— , even even whoopi goldberg came out and on the view— , even even whoopi goldberg came out and on the view and just sedd— out and on the view and just sedd. eed— out and on the view and just sedd. emd sde— out and on the view and just said, and she is— out and on the view and just said, and she is the barometer of said, and she is the barometer ed wdeess— said, and she is the barometer of wokeness in— said, and she is the barometer of wokeness in the united states . dds— of wokeness in the united states . es de— of wokeness in the united states . it's like whatever— of wokeness in the united states . it's like whatever whoopi says dees— . it's like whatever whoopi says eees eed— . it's like whatever whoopi says eees emd sde— . it's like whatever whoopi says goes and she just— . it's like whatever whoopi says goes and she just went, you eee-d— goes and she just went, you eem-d de— goes and she just went, you can't do that— goes and she just went, you can't do that in— goes and she just went, you can't do that in manhattan, were deve—sderded- can't do that in manhattan, were deve—sdereed .- can't do that in manhattan, werei they?_started , you they? and then they started, you drew.— they? and then they started, you drew. dese— they? and then they started, you know, just because _ they? and then they started, you know, just because they're all dees— know, just because they're all mees-ede- know, just because they're all mates,-like, well,i know, just because they're all mates, they like, well, know, just because they're all mates, they kind like, well, know, just because they're all mates, they kind of (e, well, know, just because they're all mates, they kind of wereell, maybe they kind of were redeemed— maybe they kind of were referring-kind. maybe they kind of were referring kind of referring to an la kind of eeerdemee— referring to an la kind of eeerdemee .— referring to an la kind of experience . it's like where that experience. it's like where that happen-— experience. it's like where that bappen- dmd— experience. it's like where that can happen. and again, once edem— can happen. and again, once eeedw-wedd- can happen. and again, once again,-well on- can happen. and again, once. again,-well on .way again, you'd be well on the way to again, you'd be well on the way de-bdede— again, you'd be well on the way de-bdede dd— again, you'd be well on the way to-diego if that— again, you'd be well on the way to diego if that happened to san diego if that happened bere— to san diego if that happened eere-eeder— to san diego if that happened eere-eeded ds- to san diego if that happened here.-point is, it's- to san diego if that happened here. point is, it's the here. so the point is, it's the dmerdee— here. so the point is, it's the america fans— here. so the point is, it's the america fans have finally rwdeeed— america fans have finally rwdeeed deed.— america fans have finally twigged that, oh , they do say twigged that, oh, they do say ddmds— twigged that, oh, they do say demos ded— twigged that, oh, they do say things that don't— twigged that, oh, they do say things that don't actually tally wddb — things that don't actually tally wdd-emd— things that don't actually tally wdd-emd dev- things that don't actually tally with and they mean with the truth and they mean it's with the truth and they mean dd-s e— with the truth and they mean dd-s e verv— with the truth and they mean dd-s e verv .— with the truth and they mean dr-s e verv . verv— with the truth and they mean it's a very , very odd move on it's a very, very odd move on ded— it's a very, very odd move on dbedr bere— it's a very, very odd move on dedr eere de— it's a very, very odd move on their part to be— it's a very, very odd move on their part to be so- it's a very, very odd move on their part to be so easily eeedbd— their part to be so easily eeeeder ere.— their part to be so easily caught up. and then . oh, and caught up. and then. oh, and dem— caught up. and then. oh, and dbem dev-re — caught up. and then. oh, and then they're asking for the edederes. — then they're asking for the pictures. press— then they're asking for the pictures. press agencies . yeah. pictures. press agencies. yeah. edve— pictures. press agencies. yeah. edve es— pictures. press agencies. yeah. edve es de— pictures. press agencies. yeah. give us the photos and the photo eeeredes— give us the photos and the photo eeeredes ee— give us the photos and the photo agencies are just— give us the photos and the photo agencies are just going like, yeabe— agencies are just going like, yeabr we— agencies are just going like, yeah, we don't— agencies are just going like, yeah, we don't have a king evee dee— yeah, we don't have a king anymore. you can't just ask for seed. — anymore. you can't just ask for seed. dee— anymore. you can't just ask for stuff. you know,— anymore. you can't just ask for stuff. you know, it's so cool. dds— stuff. you know, it's so cool. dd-s deed.— stuff. you know, it's so cool. me good dsm-d— stuff. you know, it's so cool. it's good, isn't it?— stuff. you know, it's so cool. it's good, isn't it? listen,- it's good, isn't it? listen, paul it's good, isn't it? listen, paul, it's always a pleasure . paul, it's always a pleasure. really good to talk to you. thank you so much. that is paul

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your latest news headlines. good afternoon. it's your latest news headlines. good afternoon . it's 5:00. i'm ray afternoon. it's 5:00. i'm ray ddddsem— afternoon. it's 5:00. i'm ray ddddsem dm— afternoon. it's 5:00. i'm ray addison in the— afternoon. it's 5:00. i'm ray addison in the gb- " it's 5:00. i'm ray addison in the gb news room and our addison in the gb news room and deb— addison in the gb news room and rep sderv— addison in the gb news room and our top story. opposition deeders— our top story. opposition leaders are— our top story. opposition leaders are calling for an investigation— leaders are calling for an investigation after it emerged ded— investigation after it emerged dbed de— investigation after it emerged that the home— investigation after it emerged that the home secretary tried to wed— that the home secretary tried to avoid incurring— that the home secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her drdvdmd— avoid incurring points on her driving licence— avoid incurring points on her driving licence for speeding dese— driving licence for speeding last summer.— driving licence for speeding last summer. the sunday times eeems— last summer. the sunday times reeeres ded— last summer. the sunday times reports that suella— last summer. the sunday times reports that suella braverman esded— reports that suella braverman esded e— reports that suella braverman asked a civil— reports that suella braverman asked a civil servant to ereemdse— asked a civil servant to ereemdse e— asked a civil servant to organise a 1— asked a civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course instead . shadow awareness course instead. shadow deme— awareness course instead. shadow deme seerederv— awareness course instead. shadow home secretary yvette cooper deserdbed— home secretary yvette cooper described the _ home secretary yvette cooper described the allegations as sbeeddmd— described the allegations as sbeeddmd .— described the allegations as shocking , saying ms braverman's shocking, saying ms braverman's role shocking, saying ms braverman's rede ds— shocking, saying ms braverman's rede ds de— shocking, saying ms braverman's role is to uphold— shocking, saying ms braverman's role is to uphold the law, and yet role is to uphold the law, and ved sde— role is to uphold the law, and yet she abused— role is to uphold the law, and yet she abused her position to get yet she abused her position to eed eed— yet she abused her position to seed eed dd.— yet she abused her position to get around it. when asked about the get around it. when asked about dbe ededms— get around it. when asked about dbe ededms .— get around it. when asked about the claims , the— get around it. when asked about the claims , the prime minister the claims, the prime minister deeddmed— the claims, the prime minister deeddmed de— the claims, the prime minister declined to publicly defend her. i declined to publicly defend her. d deb-d— declined to publicly defend her. d dem-d drew— declined to publicly defend her. i don't know the— declined to publicly defend her. i don't know the full details of wber— i don't know the full details of wbed bes— i don't know the full details of what has happened, nor have i seeder— what has happened, nor have i seeder de— what has happened, nor have i seeder de de— what has happened, nor have i spoken to the home secretary. i dmd— spoken to the home secretary. i dmd vee— spoken to the home secretary. i dmd vee em— spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see— spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see firsthand- spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see firsthand what i've been doing over the last day or so. but i understand that she's expressed regret for speeding, accepted penalty speeding, accepted the penalty and paid the fine . on the final and paid the fine. on the final day of and paid the fine. on the final dev ed de— and paid the fine. on the final dev er dbe ed— and paid the fine. on the final day of the g7 summit- and paid the fine. on the final day of the g7 summit in- e“r: r: �*" on the final day of the g7 summit in japan , day of the g7 summit in japan, wedd— day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders— day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders have set out their

eeems— world leaders have set out their edems de— world leaders have set out their plans to tackle— world leaders have set out their plans to tackle aggression from ebdme. — plans to tackle aggression from ebdme. eerdme— plans to tackle aggression from china. prime minister rishi seeed— china. prime minister rishi seeed sedd— china. prime minister rishi sunak said beijing poses the breed— sunak said beijing poses the biggest challenge to global seeerddv— biggest challenge to global seeerddv .— biggest challenge to global security , being— biggest challenge to global security , being the only country security, being the only country wdd— security, being the only country wddb bed— security, being the only country with both the _ security, being the only country with both the means and intent to with both the means and intent re resbeee— with both the means and intent re resdeeee de— with both the means and intent to reshape the world order . us to reshape the world order. us dresddemd— to reshape the world order. us president joe _ to reshape the world order. us president joe biden says there's eemedede— president joe biden says there's complete resolve— president joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity wdddm— complete resolve and unity wddbdm de— complete resolve and unity within the g7— complete resolve and unity within the g7 to recognise china eed— within the g7 to recognise china emd ede— within the g7 to recognise china and reduce the— within the g7 to recognise china and reduce the risk to international- and reduce the risk to international security . we're international security. we're med— international security. we're med deeded— international security. we're not looking to— international security. we're not looking to decouple from ebdme. — not looking to decouple from ebdme. vre-re— not looking to decouple from china. �*devddri di “g not looking to decouple from china. “g r:ri d china. we're looking to de—risk and diversify by our relationship with china . that relationship with china. that means taking steps to diversify our supply chains and we're not. so we're not dependent on any one country for necessary products. it means resisting economic coercion together and countering harmful practises that hurt our workers . it means that hurt our workers. it means protecting a narrow set of advanced technologies. critics call for our national security . call for our national security. the president of ukraine has eddressed— the president of ukraine has addressed world— the president of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7 addressed world leaders at the be semmdd— addressed world leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident ded— g7 summit, saying he's confident dbed dev-s—

g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peaceful . mila has that kiev's peaceful. mila has the that kiev's peaceful. mila has dee eeremded— that kiev's peaceful. mila has the potential to— that kiev's peaceful. mila has the potential to prevent future wars. he's thanked western edddes— wars. he's thanked western edddes der— wars. he's thanked western allies for their— wars. he's thanked western allies for their ongoing seeped.— allies for their ongoing support, including receiving dmerdeem— support, including receiving american made— support, including receiving american made f—16 fighter jets american made f—16 fighterjets and american made f—16fighterjets emd de— american made f—16fighterjets and the training— american made f—16fighterjets and the training of— american made f—16fighterjets and the training of ukraine's eddeds. — and the training of ukraine's pilots. vladimir— and the training of ukraine's pilots. vladimir zelenskyy also ddsmdssed— pilots. vladimir zelenskyy also dismissed claims— pilots. vladimir zelenskyy also dismissed claims that the bessdem— dismissed claims that the russian mercenary wagner group has russian mercenary wagner group bes eeedered— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the city of bakhmut . d— has captured the city of bakhmut . d eemed— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with you- has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with you the tactical views of our military, of our warriors, but as of today , we can see that the country which each dozens times is bigger than we are, cannot occupy us, cannot win in this war. now our people are accomplishing a very important mission. they are now in bakhmut and i will not share where exactly, but it witnesses that bakhmut is not occupied by russian federation as of today, there are no 2 or 3 interpretations of those words . interpretations of those words. in a skin in scotland, a demonstration has been taking rdeee— demonstration has been taking edeee de— demonstration has been taking edeee re sbew— demonstration has been taking place to show support for asylum

seeedrs rde— place to show support for asylum seekers. the scottish trades eedem— seekers. the scottish trades union conference held a rally eedsdde— union conference held a rally eedsdde e— union conference held a rally outside a hotel— union conference held a rally outside a hotel which houses dem— outside a hotel which houses them. general— outside a hotel which houses them. general secretary for the bdeeedem — them. general secretary for the education institute of scotland eed— education institute of scotland emd andree— education institute of scotland and andrea bradley says she weeds— and andrea bradley says she wants everyone— and andrea bradley says she wants everyone to feel welcome . wants everyone to feel welcome. it's wants everyone to feel welcome. be e— wants everyone to feel welcome. be e verv— wants everyone to feel welcome. be e verv deer— wants everyone to feel welcome. it's a very clear and— wants everyone to feel welcome. it's a very clear and simple- it's a very clear and simple message and that is that refugees are welcome here. refugees and asylum seekers are mesd— refugees and asylum seekers are mesd eede— refugees and asylum seekers are most welcome here. �*devddri t.rir“ most welcome here. we completely understand the difficulties and the, you know, the real challenges that refugees and asylum seekers face. and we do not want scotland _ asylum seekers face. and we do not want scotland to _ asylum seekers face. and we do not want scotland to be- not want scotland to be a besdde— not want scotland to be a hostile environment for them wbeseeved— hostile environment for them whatsoever. we _ hostile environment for them whatsoever. we want scotland to be e— whatsoever. we want scotland to be e edeee — whatsoever. we want scotland to be e edeee ed— whatsoever. we want scotland to be a place of safety and semedeerv— be a place of safety and sanctuary and- be a place of safety and sanctuary and welcome for people wbe— sanctuary and welcome for people who—traumatised,- who are already traumatised, edreedv— who are already traumatised, edreedvlrdsd— who are already traumatised, already-risklall- who are already traumatised, already risk all sorts of already at risk in all sorts of wevs— already at risk in all sorts of wevs eed— already at risk in all sorts of wevs end we— already at risk in all sorts of ways and we.not- already at risk in all sorts of ways and we not wish when ways and we do not wish when dev— ways and we do not wish when dev-wber— ways and we do not wish when dev-wbem dev— ways and we do not wish when they .when they - in - they are, when they are in seedemd— they are, when they are in scotland asylum seekers scotland as asylum seekers or redeeees— scotland as asylum seekers or redeeees-de- scotland as asylum seekers or refugees-to be - scotland as asylum seekers or refugees to be put at refugees as them to be put at any— refugees as them to be put at emv rdsd— refugees as them to be put at any risk whatsoever for the emvdremmem— any risk whatsoever for the environment secretary says sereeeme— environment secretary says sereeeme bd— environment secretary says scrapping eu laws would boost the scrapping eu laws would boost dbe beds— scrapping eu laws would boost the uk's domestic wine industry - by— the uk's domestic wine industry . bv erse— the uk's domestic wine industry . by £180 million. _ the uk's domestic wine industry . by £180 million. ' . by £180 million. a number of brussels regulations that were retained after brexit will be dropped as part of the retained

eu law bill including some that impact the wine sector. therese coffey says it will reduce unnecessary red tape and allow the industry to thrive for about 400 pages of regulations handung 400 pages of regulations handling wine is becoming a thriving industry in this country. english sparkling wine eerdeederdv. — country. english sparkling wine particularly. indeed,- trix. english sparkling wine particularly. 3: “r: trix. english sparkling wine particularly. :: “r: particularly. indeed, and one of the things that we're doing is simplifying all of that, getting rid of some of the unnecessary bureaucracy, which we believe could save up to £0.50 off a bottle of fizz . so that's good bottle of fizz. so that's good news for consumers . but it's news for consumers. but it's a lot of this is really about deregulating and sure deregulating and making sure that we still have good quality products that people enjoy that we still have good quality prlthists that people enjoy that we still have good quality prlthis countryieople enjoy that we still have good quality prlthis country . and enjoy that we still have good quality prlthis country . and the enjoy that we still have good quality prlthis country . and the prince in this country. and the prince of in this country. and the prince ed vvedes— in this country. and the prince ed vvedes bes— in this country. and the prince of wales has joined— “ trix. and the prince of wales has joined royal navy sbmermers— of wales has joined royal navy submariners preparing to take on a transatlantic— submariners preparing to take on a transatlantic rowing edeeddemee— a transatlantic rowing challenge. the duke of cambridge redeesed— challenge. the duke of cambridge redeesed e— challenge. the duke of cambridge released a video— challenge. the duke of cambridge released a video of— challenge. the duke of cambridge released a video of his visit to a released a video of his visit to e eedeme— released a video of his visit to a training session— released a video of his visit to a training session organised by the a training session organised by dbe dres— a training session organised by the hms audacious crew in 2019. they— the hms audacious crew in 2019. deev bedem— the hms audacious crew in 2019. they began raising— the hms audacious crew in 2019. they began raising money to seeped— they began raising money to sepperr de— they began raising money to support the mental health of ded— support the mental health of their colleagues, so far, dev-ve — their colleagues, so far, they've raised- their colleagues, so far, they've raised . over £110,000 .

they've raised. over £110,000. rbds— they've raised. over £110,000. rbds ds— they've raised. over £110,000. rbds ds eb— they've raised. over £110,000. this is gb news.— they've raised. over £110,000. this is gb news. we'll bring you es dd— this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now let's get— more as it happens. now let's eer sdreddbd— more as it happens. now let's get straight back— more as it happens. now let's get straight back to nana . get straight back to nana. memd— get straight back to nana. rbemd vee— get straight back to nana. deed vee .— get straight back to nana. thank you , ray. x: “ thank you, ray. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour , me and my panel will next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and course , it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing at times we will discussing, and at times we will disagree. but no one be disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also conservative was caught unawares, wasn't expecting small conservative councillor claire pearsall . now still to come , pearsall. now still to come, each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity or a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting so a

interesting career. so take a look life after the job. we look at life after the job. we talk highs. we talk lows, we talk highs. we talk lows, we talk learnt and what talk lessons learnt and what comes on the outside. and comes next on the outside. and today special guest today, my special mystery guest i'll give you some clues. i'll give you some more clues. she's best known for being the queen clean . she's appeared queen of clean. she's appeared on a number of reality tv shows , including i'm a celebrity . , including i'm a celebrity. she's also never afraid to hold back on saying what she actually really thinks. and it's also got a range of cleaning products. do you think she is? she can always come to my house and clean up anytime. and she does gardening. i'll for right i'll be well up for that right then. i'll be well up for that right then . for the great british then. for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should sack batus should rishi sunak sack or batus suella . according to suella braverman. according to reports, braverman asked reports, suella braverman asked civil servants to help her avoid get ing points on her licence for speeding . and now with for speeding. and now with labour calling for an investigation claiming that she's the ministerial she's broken the ministerial code, he sack or back code, should he sack or back her? what do you think? you can email me your thoughts at gb views gb news .uk or tweet me at

. gb news. what i wanted to kick things off because of course, the big breaking story is the one of philip's schofield. he has step down from has agreed to step down from itv. he did that yesterday. we broke it here gb news. broke it here on gb news. i think we were first to do so as well on my show and apparently phillip schofield agreed to phillip schofield has agreed to step down from the flagship daytime show . now, this daytime show. now, this this this obviously morning this is obviously this morning that with immediate effect that was with immediate effect anditv that was with immediate effect and itv has confirmed that he won't returning despite two won't be returning despite two decades helm . his last decades at the helm. his last show in fact, now show was, in fact, now thursday's show and co—host holly willoughby will not be leaving at the moment. she's responded, saying the sofa won't feel the same without him. so what do you think of his departure? should holly departure? and should holly follow suit? so joining me to discuss, thought i'd keep my discuss, i thought i'd keep my panel the fabulous danny panel in the fabulous danny kelly and also claire pearsall . kelly and also claire pearsall. right. so i'm going to start with you , claire. claire what do with you, claire. claire what do you think? i mean, look, it's all a mess . i you think? i mean, look, it's all a mess. i didn't like them after gate. i mean, i wasn't

that fond of them either, but what did you think about gate when they did that? well i think that just showed them for. that just showed them up for. for are, they for what they are, that they were _everybody - for what they are, that they were everybody else and were above everybody else and evpeeded— were above everybody else and expecting special— were above everybody else and expecting special treatment. i'm not expecting special treatment. i'm reedlperdeeder— expecting special treatment. i'm not. particular fan _ expecting special treatment. i'm not particular fan of their not a particular fan of their sbew— not a particular fan of their show.ihaven't_ not a particular fan of their show. haven't watched it in show. i haven't watched it in vees— show. i haven't watched it in vees dd— show. i haven't watched it in years. it doesn't— show. i haven't watched it in years. it doesn't appeal to me . years. it doesn't appeal to me. bed— years. it doesn't appeal to me. bed-ded— years. it doesn't appeal to me. but-that sense- years. it doesn't appeal to me. but-that sense of- years. it doesn't appeal to me. but that sense of they're but it was that sense of they're berder— but it was that sense of they're bedder eeed— but it was that sense of they're better and the— but it was that sense of they're better and the excuses around it , obe— better and the excuses around it . oh, we— better and the excuses around it . oh, we wee— better and the excuses around it , oh, we were invited. oh, we desd— , oh, we were invited. oh, we desd ddd— , oh, we were invited. oh, we iesr ddd dds. — , oh, we were invited. oh, we just did this. it— , oh, we were invited. oh, we just did this. it was nothing speeded— just did this. it was nothing speeded .— just did this. it was nothing speeded . vve— just did this. it was nothing special . we just had to queue up special. we just had to queue up a special. we just had to queue up e udde— special. we just had to queue up e ddddde bdr— special. we just had to queue up a little bit. well,— special. we just had to queue up a little bit. well, no, don't say— a little bit. well, no, don't sev ded. — a little bit. well, no, don't say that. you've- a little bit. well, no, don't say that. you've got special deemed.— say that. you've got special treatment. you _ say that. you've got special treatment. you did it for the cameras. own— treatment. you did it for the cameras. own up- treatment. you did it for the cameras. own up to it, and they dddre-d.— cameras. own up to it, and they dddm-d. se— cameras. own up to it, and they dddm-d. be r— cameras. own up to it, and they didn't. so i think— cameras. own up to it, and they didn't. so i think that sort of sed— didn't. so i think that sort of sed eed— didn't. so i think that sort of sed eed-me— didn't. so i think that sort of set out-me what- didn't. so i think that sort of set out me what kind of set out for me what kind of relationship— set out for me what kind of. relationship—yeah, relationship they have. yeah, wed.— relationship they have. yeah, well, eventually— relationship they have. yeah, well, eventually did well, eventually they did apologise but took was apologise, but it took it was one the time, one of the one of the time, one of the statement things, it? statement things, wasn't it? yeah non—apology yeah it was a non—apology apology. it non—apology in apology. it was a non—apology in my apology. it was a non—apology in mv-eedeeddv. — apology. it was a non—apology in my-actually. .david- my view, actually. and david beekbem— my view, actually. and david- beckham,_david beckham, do you remember david beekbem— beckham, do you remember david| beckham,—famous beckham, one of the most famous beees— beckham, one of the most famous deees ere— beckham, one of the most famous deees ere premed— beckham, one of the most famous faces on planet earth, who deeeed— faces on planet earth, who deeeed der— faces on planet earth, who queued for like— faces on planet earth, who queued for like a dozen hours? dee— queued for like a dozen hours? vee drew.— queued for like a dozen hours? vee drew. vee— queued for like a dozen hours? you know, you imagine the edderedere— you know, you imagine the attention that— you know, you imagine the attention that he must have reeedved— attention that he must have received unwanted attention , but received unwanted attention, but meverdedess— received unwanted attention, but nevertheless, he _ received unwanted attention, but nevertheless, he does it with seed— nevertheless, he does it with seed dreee— nevertheless, he does it with seed ereee .— nevertheless, he does it with such grace . and— nevertheless, he does it with such grace . and he's a warm and

such grace. and he's a warm and a such grace. and he's a warm and e—ebereeder- such grace. and he's a warm and e—ebereeder .- such grace. and he's a warm and a_character. not- such grace. and he's a warm and a character . not like a welcoming character. not like dese— a welcoming character. not like dbese dwe— a welcoming character. not like dbese dwe dezv— a welcoming character. not like those two lazy merchants who esed— those two lazy merchants who esed ded— those two lazy merchants who used their excuse— those two lazy merchants who used their excuse of being there ddmdmd— used their excuse of being there ddmdmd de— used their excuse of being there filming to basically because i deeeed— filming to basically because i deeeed der— filming to basically because i queued for eight— filming to basically because i queued for eight hours. did you see queued for eight hours. did you de— queued for eight hours. did you see the queen?— queued for eight hours. did you see the queen? that's why. for you— see the queen? that's why. for vee dds— see the queen? that's why. for vee be ever— see the queen? that's why. for you it's even more.— see the queen? that's why. for you it's even more. yeah- see the queen? that's why. for you it's even more. yeah i- you it's even more. yeah i queued for eight / i queued for eight hours and e “ rirdi d/rie“ i queued for eight hours and that was on one of the— queued for eight hours and that was on one of the quicker days. seme— was on one of the quicker days. seme peepde— was on one of the quicker days. some people queuing for 24 some people were queuing for 24 beers—ded- hours because holly did that sdedemered. — hours because holly did that statement. _of- hours because holly did that statement. _of that statement. she sort of said that we there we did it for we were there and we did it for people who wouldn't to see people who wouldn't get to see it. though they were going it. so as though they were going for on our to watch it. for on our behalf to watch it. and it was like there was such a seev— and it was like there was such a sorry reed— and it was like there was such a sorry reed serrv— and it was like there was such a sorry, not sorry apology. . sorry, not sorry apology. it was a sorry, not sorry apology. it was e sbeme— sorry, not sorry apology. it was e sbeme ded— sorry, not sorry apology. it was a shame that because. did a shame that because. but did you want us to watch this you ever want us to watch this morning with used to love morning with i used to love richard yeah yeah, richard and judy. yeah yeah, i loved that. they were so good. but has gone downhill but the show has gone downhill since . but of course, you since then. but of course, you bed— since then. but of course, you bed bemerere— since then. but of course, you had eamonn-well.- “t.ri si“ but of course, you had eamonn well. eamonn had eamonn as well. eamonn was edwevs—dere- had eamonn as well. eamonn was edwevs—dere .- had eamonn as well. eamonn was edwevs—dere . d- always very good on there. i wes-imede— always very good on there. i was..made me- always very good on there. i was. made me laugh . and i was. he made me laugh. and i dmd— was. he made me laugh. and i ddrd deb-s— was. he made me laugh. and i think that's what— was. he made me laugh. and i think that's what you want with dmd— think that's what you want with ddred—predrem. i think that's what you want with| kind—program. you kind of a daytime program. you need— kind of a daytime program. you meedldddbd— kind of a daytime program. you need . light and _ kind of a daytime program. you need light and breezy, but need it light and breezy, but deed— need it light and breezy, but some good interviews and semebedv— some good interviews and somebody-and- some good interviews and somebody and that's what somebody funny and that's what seeped— somebody funny and that's what seemed de— somebody funny and that's what seemed be be— somebody funny and that's what seemed to be lacking sorely . seemed to be lacking sorely. i edwevs— seemed to be lacking sorely. i always remember— seemed to be lacking sorely. i always remember when - seemed to be lacking sorely. i always remember when phillip came closet and the came out of the closet and the attention that he got, and i was

thinking, what about your poor wife and family who, for the last 20 odd years and i'm assuming you've been lying, you've been living a lie to them over the however many over the last however many decades, and the attention was on poor phillip. and the only reason imagine if he'd have said that been an affair that i've been having an affair with for the last 20 with a woman for the last 20 years. scandal. would be years. the scandal. it would be riddled with scandal. but because was out as a because he was coming out as a gay there was no scandal. gay man, there was no scandal. well, you know, i don't know. i deed.— well, you know, i don't know. i mean, look, philip's here to mean, look, philip's not here to defend— mean, look, philip's not here to defend himself.— mean, look, philip's not here to defend himself. he came out and but defend himself. he came out and ber|persereeddv.— defend himself. he came out and ber|persereeddv d— defend himself. he came out and but personally, i sympathy but i personally, i my sympathy weed—sereddbdl went to the mormon straight ewev. — went to the mormon straight ewev. liesd— went to the mormon straight away. just thought, away. i just thought, well, eedeeddv—dre- away. i just thought, well,- actually,_inlsense, actually, you know, in a sense, if actually, you know, in a sense, dd-eese.— actually, you know, in a sense, dd-eese-dd- if that's the case, then it weedd— if that's the case, then it would feel— if that's the case, then it would feel like somebody did would feel like if somebody did ded— would feel like if somebody did deb-dd— would feel like if somebody did dbed-d-d-ddde- that to me, i'd feel like i'd been— that to me, i'd feel like i'd been ddvdmd— that to me, i'd feel like i'd been living-and- that to me, i'd feel like i'd been living and i don't been living a lie. and i don't dmd— been living a lie. and i don't ddrd ded— been living a lie. and i don't think that would _ been living a lie. and i don't think that would make feel think that would make me feel verv—d- think that would make me feel verv—d de- think that would make me feel verv—d de eereei very good. but and i do agree, de— very good. but and i do agree, de-ddd— very good. but and i do agree, de-ddd seem- very good. but and i do agree, the-did seem to- very good. but and i do agree, the did seem to be very good. but and i do agree,. the-did seem to be on the sympathy did seem to be on bbddddp— the sympathy did seem to be on dddddp. wbdeb— the sympathy did seem to be on phillip, which didn't phillip, which i didn't particularly- phillip, which i didn't particularly didn't phillip, which i didn't particularlyldidn't that particularly i didn't think that dedr. — particularly i didn't think that dedr. bed— particularly i didn't think that was fair. but now, obviously wdd—ddredl was fair. but now, obviously. with _thing and with this this latest thing and itv with this this latest thing and drv beve— with this this latest thing and itv have _that,- with this this latest thing and. itv have _that,-know, itv have decided that, you know, eeed—.- itv have decided that, you know, eed—.lddmdl and it doesn't i mean, i think ded— and it doesn't i mean, i think dedlde— and it doesn't i mean, i think deride-ed- and it doesn't i mean, i think that-the-ofiit. that by the sounds of it, it deese-d— that by the sounds of it, it doesn't-like- that by the sounds of it, it doesn't like phillip doesn't sound like phillip wedded— doesn't sound like phillip wedded-d- doesn't sound like phillip wanted-i don't- doesn't sound like phillip wanted i don't think he wanted to go. i don't think he weedd— wanted to go. i don't think he weed-dere— wanted to go. i don't think he would-done. it's- wanted to go. i don't think he would-done. it's a- wanted to go. i don't think he would done. it's a great would have done. it's a great job— would have done. it's a great j'0b eeed— would have done. it's a great j'0b eeed-eme— would have done. it's a great job and one would want to

job and no one would want to reeve— job and no one would want to deevelbed— job and no one would want to leave-but it's— job and no one would want to leave-but it's-of- job and no one would want to leave but it's of even leave it. but it's kind of even in-statement_ leave it. but it's kind of even in statement where it was in his statement where it was dmd— in his statement where it was dmd-mere— in his statement where it was kind-more that— in his statement where it was kind more that they've kind of more that they've deedded— kind of more that they've decided the decided that we've decided the bed— decided that we've decided the besd-ared — decided that we've decided the best _and _the - decided that we've decided the best and the show best thing. and when the show beees— best thing. and when the show beeemes—del becomes bigger than de de, de de, becomes bigger than de de, de de—sdeppdmd- becomes bigger than de de, del de-sdeppdred-se de, that he's stepping down. so beds— de, that he's stepping down. so beds-sdeppdred— de, that he's stepping down. so he's stepping down. but he's saying stepping down. but dere— he's saying stepping down. but then obviously— he's saying stepping down. but then obviously there's so much eerereversdv— then obviously there's so much controversy - but- then obviously there's so much controversy-but if. then obviously there's so much controversy but if we controversy around it. but if we put— controversy around it. but if we ped de— controversy around it. but if we put the controversy to one side, wber— put the controversy to one side, weed-redw— put the controversy to one side, weed-deddv e— put the controversy to one side, what holly ? should she go? put the controversy to one side, wh you holly ? should she go? put the controversy to one side, wh you think olly ? should she go? put the controversy to one side, wh you think holly should she go? put the controversy to one side, wh you think holly should she go? put the controversy to one side, wh you think holly should ase go? do you think holly should as web. — do you think holly should as web. liesd— do you think holly should as web. liesd e— do you think holly should as well. .just a .brooml do you think holly should as- well. .just a-broom sweep well. so just a new broom sweep and clean the whole itv studio ? and clean the whole itv studio? yeah, i think she's too big to go. i think yeah, i do. i think she if he was mr she is. mrs. itv, if he was mr itv, she's now mrs. itv. she's very popular as i understand. i personally can't warm to her. but that's just me, not saying that she's not a warm, likeable person. i can't warm to her. i like alison and i like dermot. yeah, alison's just a big bundle of fun. she's a brummie girl. i've driven down from the west midlands today, and she's a local girl and she's loved up there. she's loved down here. yeah, well, listen, we'll be watching as it goes and watching this as it goes and we'll continue to observe what happens with regard to what's going on and what will happen

with this morning. but, of course, if you just- “3 but, of course, if you just joined me, eede— course, if you just joined me, welcome aboard.— course, if you just joined me, welcome aboard. it's coming up to welcome aboard. it's coming up de—bebo- welcome aboard. it's coming up de—bebb emdl to 13 minutes after 5:00 and dds— to 13 minutes after 5:00 and dd-s-eedsdde- to 13 minutes after 5:00 and| it's-outside-my it's time for outside now. my mvsderv— mystery guest is a tv personality- mystery guest is a tv personality and writer. she's eppeered— personality and writer. she's eppeered em— personality and writer. she's appeared on numerous reality sbws— appeared on numerous reality sbees-dm- appeared on numerous reality. shows,-i'mlcelebrity shows, including i'm a celebrity r-me_ shows, including i'm a celebrity lire bed— shows, including i'm a celebrity lire bed ed— shows, including i'm a celebrity ,-me out of here.- shows, including i'm a celebrity , me out of here. celebrity , get me out of here. celebrity eeme—emd- , get me out of here. celebrity. come—and celebrity come dine with me and celebrity big come dine with me and celebrity bdd—see- big brother. you often see her meddmd— big brother. you often see her making appearances on making guest appearances on pepeder— making guest appearances on pepederlsbews— making guest appearances on popular shows, including popular tv shows, including besdbreders— popular tv shows, including besdbmders .— popular tv shows, including eastenders , loose women, and eastenders, loose women, and evee-dds— eastenders, loose women, and even this morning. and her even on this morning. and her dedereds— even on this morning. and her dedemds ee— even on this morning. and her talents are not— even on this morning. and her talents are not just limited to tv. talents are not just limited to re see-s— talents are not just limited to tv. she's also— talents are not just limited to tv. she's also appeared in peeremdmes— tv. she's also appeared in pantomimes across a number of deedes— pantomimes across a number of dbeedres dre— pantomimes across a number of dbeedres be de— pantomimes across a number of theatres in the uk,— pantomimes across a number of theatres in the uk, and she's brewe— theatres in the uk, and she's dmewre es— theatres in the uk, and she's known as the— theatres in the uk, and she's known as the queen of clean. who do known as the queen of clean. who de vee— known as the queen of clean. who de vee dmd— known as the queen of clean. who do you think she— known as the queen of clean. who do you think she is?— known as the queen of clean. who do you think she is? she went on to do you think she is? she went on re ee-presered.— do you think she is? she went on re ee-presered. e— do you think she is? she went on to co—present, a hit— do you think she is? she went on to co—present, a hit series wbere— to co—present, a hit series wbere sbe— to co—present, a hit series where she helped people clean up ded— where she helped people clean up their—launched- where she helped people clean up their—launched her- where she helped people clean up their launched her own their homes and launched her own eerede— their homes and launched her own eereee—predes- range of cleaning products. i'm seee-ebeedv— range of cleaning products. i'mi sure-already-who range of cleaning products. i'mi sureis.-already-who range of cleaning products. i'm sureis. well,ilready who range of cleaning products. i'm sureis. well, of ady who range of cleaning products. i'm sureis. well, of course who range of cleaning products. i'm sureis. well, of course she's who she is. well, of course she's wedded.— she is. well, of course she's written. she's— she is. well, of course she's written. she's got she's debedees— written. she's got she's fabulous and- written. she's got she's fabulous and she's really such an incredible— fabulous and she's really such an incredible woman. she is kim vveedbem— an incredible woman. she is kim vveedbem .— an incredible woman. she is kim vveedbem . d— an incredible woman. she is kim woodburn . i know— an incredible woman. she is kim woodburn . i know you got it. woodburn. i know you got it. eed-s— woodburn. i know you got it. eed-s red-s— woodburn. i know you got it. let's let's welcome her to the sbee.— let's let's welcome her to the dew dm— let's let's welcome her to the show. kim, welcome . oh, my god. show. kim, welcome. oh, my god. eeeve— show. kim, welcome. oh, my god. deeve dere— show. kim, welcome. oh, my god. deeve deree se— show. kim, welcome. oh, my god. you've done so much.— show. kim, welcome. oh, my god. you've done so much. kim eede dd— you've done so much. kim welcome. it was- you've done so much. kim welcome. . : welcome. it was wonderful. well, welcome. it was wonderful. wed. wed. — welcome. it was wonderful. well, well, that's— welcome. . : well, well, that's because you are wonderful— well, well, that's because you are wonderful .— well, well, that's because you are wonderful . you've done so are wonderful. you've done so meeb— are wonderful. you've done so

meeb. d— are wonderful. you've done so meeb. d esed— are wonderful. you've done so meeb. d esed de— are wonderful. you've done so much. i used to love. i used to deve— much. i used to love. i used to deve ded— much. i used to love. i used to love that show. _ much. i used to love. i used to love that show. how clean is veer— love that show. how clean is veer beese?— love that show. how clean is veer beesee d— love that show. how clean is your house? i used to look eed— your house? i used to look eed mv— your house? i used to look around my house and say, god, i wdsb— around my house and say, god, i wdsb vee-d— around my house and say, god, i wish you'd come— around my house and say, god, i wish you'd come over and clean my wish you'd come over and clean mv beese — wish you'd come over and clean mv deeese weed— wish you'd come over and clean my house. what was what would you my house. what was what would vee-deed— my house. what was what would you-don't love?- my house. what was what would you don't love? what you say? you don't love? what weedd— you say? you don't love? what weedd vee— you say? you don't love? what weedd vee sev— you say? you don't love? what would you say was— you say? you don't love? what would you say was the probably the would you say was the probably dbe messdesd— would you say was the probably the messiest house you'd vdsddedb— the messiest house you'd visited? you— the messiest house you'd visited? you don't have to name dem — visited? you don't have to name dem by— visited? you don't have to name dem by eeeme— visited? you don't have to name them by name, but— visited? you don't have to name them by name, but what was the wersd— them by name, but what was the wersd pdeee— them by name, but what was the worst place that— them by name, but what was the worst place that you went? i weed— worst place that you went? i wemd de — worst place that you went? i wemd de se— worst place that you went? i went to so many— worst place that you went? i went to so many houses- worst place that you went? i went to so many houses that were all the same in messiness. i mean, people used to “ i mean, people used to think we eeeded— mean, people used to think we eeeded dd— mean, people used to think we eeeded dd ep. — mean, people used to think we cooked it up. oh,— mean, people used to think we cooked it up. o“ mean, people used to think we cooked it up. cid“ mean, people used to think we cooked it up. o“ cooked it up. oh, my love, we didn't. walked in and the didn't. you walked in and the smell. but you know something? dddeedb— smell. but you know something? dddeeeede dev— but you know something? although they weren't dirty, peepde— although they weren't dirty, peepde-ewdeddv- although they weren't dirty,- people - awfully - people. people were awfully nice people. i people were awfully nice people. d-bemesdv— people were awfully nice people. d-bemesdv .— people were awfully nice people. i- honestly , there - people were awfully nice people. i-honestly , there was- people were awfully nice people. i-honestly , there was not.| i mean, honestly, there was not. one them nasty. they just one of them was nasty. they just smelt bad, dear. but i had fun doing love. oh, look doing it, my love. oh, look here. i had fun. i'll go home wdd— here. i had fun. i'll go home wddb mv— here. i had fun. i'll go home with my stilettos— here. “er: ’.“ i'll go home with my stilettos covered in fees— with my stilettos covered in faeces, dear,— with my stilettos covered in faeces, dear, and sit in the eerdere— faeces, dear, and sit in the eerdeee eeed— faeces, dear, and sit in the garden and pick- faeces, dear, and sit in the garden and pick it off and deeded— garden and pick it off and deeded dm— garden and pick it off and thought i'm glad i'm making good eev — thought i'm glad i'm making good eev bv— thought i'm glad i'm making good eev bv eed— thought i'm glad i'm making good eev bv eed d— thought i'm glad i'm making good money. by god i need- thought i'm glad i'm making good money. xirirr: : ' “r: thought i'm glad i'm making good money. dcirirr: : “r: r: r: money. by god i need to. and did you actually genuinely clean the houses as well? because semedmes— houses as well? because sometimes you - 7 because sometimes you these houses as well? because - sometimes you .these things sometimes you see these things as sometimes you see these things es e deem — sometimes you see these things es e deem ed— sometimes you see these things as a team of cleaners. no, i edwevs—d- as a team of cleaners. no, i edwevs—d bed as a team of cleaners. no, i. edwevs—d bed e always had a didn't. i had a deem— always had a didn't. i had a deem ed— always had a didn't. i had a

team of cleaners, loads of lovely people who got used lovely same people who got used to us. they were smashers , we to us. they were smashers, we had we had the had window cleaners, we had the man the carpets. i just man cleaned the carpets. i just went round and being thoroughly camped here and it. the tips camped here and do it. the tips did the tips. but apart from ded— did the tips. but apart from dbed .— did the tips. but apart from dbed . ree— did the tips. but apart from dbed . d— did the tips. but apart from that, no, i didn't- r: r: e but apart from that, no, i didn't clean and i edwevs— that, no, i didn't clean and i edwevs sedd— that, no, i didn't clean and i always said i'm— that, no, i didn't clean and i always said i'm not clean. i weedd— always said i'm not clean. i weedd rever— always said i'm not clean. i would never lie— always said i'm not clean. i would never lie to- always said i'm not clean. : don't would never lie to them. don't inqu would never lie to them. don't insult their intelligence.- : c don't insult their intelligence. it's ddddeedd— insult their intelligence. it's difficult, but— insult their intelligence. it's difficult, but it— insult their intelligence. it's difficult, but it was a really deed— difficult, but it was a really good sdeew. — difficult, but it was a really good show. but- difficult, but it was a really good show. but for me, you suddenly appeared on the screen doing a bit about doing that. tell me a bit about your life and how came your early life and how you came to . my earlier life , like to tv. my earlier life, like a ded— to tv. my earlier life, like a deb ed— to tv. my earlier life, like a red er peepde— to tv. my earlier life, like a lot of people, i'm- . my earlier life, like a lot of people, i'm not wanting . lot of people, i'm not wanting. i lot of people, i'm not wanting. d bed— lot of people, i'm not wanting. d bed e— lot of people, i'm not wanting. d bed e verv— lot of people, i'm not wanting. i had a very sad,— lot of people, i'm not wanting. i had a very sad, sad life. like a i had a very sad, sad life. like e ded— i had a very sad, sad life. like e ded ed— i had a very sad, sad life. like e der er peepde— i had a very sad, sad life. like a lot of people have had. incidentally. _ a lot of people have had. incidentally. it's made me the perse— incidentally. it's made me the perse d— incidentally. it's made me the perse r em— incidentally. it's made me the perse r em .— incidentally. it's made me the person i am . you— incidentally. it's made me the person i am . you see, i spent person i am. you see, i spent edd— person i am. you see, i spent ed mv— person i am. you see, i spent ed mv dre— person i am. you see, i spent ed mv ddde d— person i am. you see, i spent all my life i wasn't loved by any— all my life i wasn't loved by erev ed— all my life i wasn't loved by erev er mv— all my life i wasn't loved by any of my parents, my mother and my any of my parents, my mother and mv meder-s— any of my parents, my mother and my mother's funeral— any of my parents, my mother and my mother's funeral . she had me my mother's funeral. she had me redem— my mother's funeral. she had me dedere em— my mother's funeral. she had me dedere em de— my mother's funeral. she had me taken off the list— my mother's funeral. she had me taken off the list that i never evdsded. — taken off the list that i never existed. when _ taken off the list that i never existed. when they read out my all existed. when they read out my ed mv— existed. when they read out my ed mv sdbdmes— existed. when they read out my all my siblings, she requested, i all my siblings, she requested, des— all my siblings, she requested, des redem— all my siblings, she requested, i was taken off— all my siblings, she requested, i was taken off the list so that wbere— i was taken off the list so that wbere d— i was taken off the list so that wbere d sed— i was taken off the list so that when i sat there— i was taken off the list so that when i sat there ,— i was taken off the list so that when i sat there , i never i was when i sat there, i never i was been de— when i sat there, i never i was never born to her.— when i sat there, i never i was never born to her. and anyway, to never born to her. and anyway, re deeded— never born to her. and anyway, re deeded edd— never born to her. and anyway, to forget all that. _ never born to her. and anyway, to forget all that. and i was

deedv— to forget all that. and i was deedv dre— to forget all that. and i was deekv m mv— to forget all that. and i was lucky in my love. i just had i er— lucky in my love. i just had i er eeed— lucky in my love. i just had i er ered d— lucky in my love. i just had i was 61 and i was— lucky in my love. i just had i was 61 and i was cleaning this massive mansion.— was 61 and i was cleaning this massive mansion. oh, it was devedv— massive mansion. oh, it was devedv .— massive mansion. oh, it was devedv. dd— massive mansion. oh, it was lovely. i'd come— massive mansion. oh, it was lovely. i'd come to the massive mansion. oh, it was lovely . i'd come to the creme de lovely. i'd come to the creme de la lovely. i'd come to the creme de de eeeme— lovely. i'd come to the creme de de ed— lovely. i'd come to the creme de la creme of cleaning the big pesb— la creme of cleaning the big pesde beeses— la creme of cleaning the big posh houses where don't get that ddrdv— posh houses where don't get that ddrev. d— posh houses where don't get that ddrev. d bed— posh houses where don't get that ddrrv. d bed e— posh houses where don't get that dirty. i had a lovely— posh houses where don't get that dirty. i had a lovely time and i got— dirty. i had a lovely time and i eed e— dirty. i had a lovely time and i eer e pbeme— dirty. i had a lovely time and i got a phone call— dirty. i had a lovely time and i got a phone call day saying got a phone call one day saying . dm— got a phone call one day saying . kdm. we— got a phone call one day saying . kdm. we eered— got a phone call one day saying . kdm. we eeree e— got a phone call one day saying , kim, we rang a domestic agency eed— , kim, we rang a domestic agency ered dev— , kim, we rang a domestic agency ered dbev sedd— , kim, we rang a domestic agency ered dbev sedd .— , kim, we rang a domestic agency and they said , can— , kim, we rang a domestic agency and they said , can you give us and they said, can you give us a smesbdmd— and they said, can you give us a smashing cleaner— and they said, can you give us a smashing cleaner because we want to smashing cleaner because we want de de— smashing cleaner because we want de de e— smashing cleaner because we want de de e w— smashing cleaner because we want to do a tv show?— smashing cleaner because we want to do a tv show? and fortunately ded— to do a tv show? and fortunately dbed mv— to do a tv show? and fortunately deer mv eeemd— to do a tv show? and fortunately that my agent said,— to do a tv show? and fortunately that my agent said, oh my god, kdm — that my agent said, oh my god, kim woodburn,— that my agent said, oh my god, kim woodburn, you've she's just eed. — kim woodburn, you've she's just eed. d— kim woodburn, you've she's just eed. d deeded— kim woodburn, you've she's just eed. d deeebd .— kim woodburn, you've she's just out. i thought , thank- kim woodburn, you've she's just out. 3 se5“ kim woodburn, you've she's just out. d out. i thought, thank you very much. and i was earning about dobe— much. and i was earning about erbbo e— much. and i was earning about £1,000 a month— rt.“ and i was earning about £1,000 a month living in well, i vee— £1,000 a month living in well, i vee drew.— £1,000 a month living in well, i vee knew. d— £1,000 a month living in well, i was, you know, i had to buy my feed.— was, you know, i had to buy my feed. bed— was, you know, i had to buy my feed. bed d— was, you know, i had to buy my food, but i lived— was, you know, i had to buy my food, but i lived in— was, you know, i had to buy my food, but i lived in blimey, the mere— food, but i lived in blimey, the pdeeree weed— food, but i lived in blimey, the phone went and— food, but i lived in blimey, the phone went and she chatted to sbeedd— phone went and she chatted to me. should she— phone went and she chatted to me. should she do sound funny? i sedd.— me. should she do sound funny? i sedd. mv— me. should she do sound funny? i sedd. mv deve— me. should she do sound funny? i sedd. mv deve vee— me. should she do sound funny? i said, my love you the box for said, my love you in the box for 50 said, my love you in the box for be vees. — said, my love you in the box for be vee. vee-d— said, my love you in the box for 50 years. you'd have to be funny to 50 years. you'd have to be funny re eepe— 50 years. you'd have to be funny re eepe beee.— 50 years. you'd have to be funny to cope here. you'd— 50 years. you'd have to be funny to cope here. you'd have to be, weeddre-d— to cope here. you'd have to be, weeddm-d you?— to cope here. you'd have to be, wouldn't you? species over wouldn't you? species all over the wouldn't you? species all over ede—deme- wouldn't you? species all over. de—deme srerv the show. because a long story short, filming within the show. because a long story short,weeks filming within the show. because a long story short,weeks because ivithin the show. because a long story short,weeks because thein the show. because a long story short,weeks because the house three weeks because the house i worked in this was the february and now he was not coming to stay with his until stay with his family until august. it a part time, so i august. it was a part time, so i weev— august. it was a part time, so i

weewleeedd— august. it was a part time, so i knewicould keep— august. it was a part time, so i knewicould keep the- .r3.5. it was a part time, so i knew could keep the house. knew i could keep the house. i eeedd— knew i could keep the house. i eeedd sde— knew i could keep the house. i could still film. _ knew i could keep the house. i could still film. so off i went filming and, you know, a couple of shows went out and i'm walking along the street. you say, hello, kim. i “3 3 you say, hello, kim. i thought, i deb-d— say, hello, kim. i thought, i dem-d drew— say, hello, kim. i thought, i don't know you. - say, hello, kim. i thought, i don't know you. "c13 r: don't know you. they said, because she don't know you. i was famous right away, my love. but was famous right away, my love. bed dd— was famous right away, my love. bed dd we— was famous right away, my love. bed dd e— was famous right away, my love. but it was a silly. _ was famous right away, my love. but it was a silly. you— was famous right away, my love. but it was a silly. you know- but it was a silly. you know what? ropes of pearls, hair pdded— what? ropes of pearls, hair pdded deb— 7 ropes of pearls, hair piled high stilettos showing veer— piled high stilettos showing veer bem— piled high stilettos showing your bum leaning over the beds as your bum leaning over the beds es dd— your bum leaning over the beds es dd vee-d— your bum leaning over the beds es dr vee-d de— your bum leaning over the beds as if you'd go like— your bum leaning over the beds as if you'd go like that. ' as if you'd go like that. a bedde— as if you'd go like that. a dddde deede— as if you'd go like that. a little aggie, the- as if you'd go like that. a little aggie, the professor. little glasses, little suits. but that was what made it so silly. you know? but i'm ever so grateful . i silly. you know? but i'm ever so grateful. i made a silly. you know? but i'm ever so grateful . i made a few. bob, my grateful. i made a few. bob, my love. honestly i've owned my own house. got a lovely husband house. i've got a lovely husband who all around agastya . it's who was all around agastya. it's all gas, i've all right under gas, but i've got smashing husband. and i got a smashing husband. and i thank god every day. i or thank god every day. i was 61 or 81 now, but i think to get it late is i'd like to i like the money earlier. my level. yes but to get it late love you don't half appreciate it was only 20 years ago. i'm thinking like everybody does. i'll put a pound by for this and ten. i can't pay this bill, but i can over and i

think i've got to worry anymore . and that's why you must please try and understand me, folks. at 81, have got no time to give 81, i have got no time to give bull to anybody. oh i've crawled. i've crawled , dear, crawled. i've crawled, dear, when i was working. you've got to kiss the backsides, dear. these horrible bosses, i mean , these horrible bosses, i mean, you know, i'm not going into it. you know what they're like, some of them? no sir. three of them? yes, sir. no sir. three bags i'm living in bags full. i'm living in a bedsit, a rotten bed . sit, £2 a bedsit, a rotten bed. sit, £2 a week. i've got to . i worked in a week. i've got to. i worked in a factory that meccano bins road the old wheels. and you know, had a horrible supervisor. i say yes, . certainly. yes, certainly. certainly. and he to like going . but he used to feel like going. but you do you can't . and so you can't do you can't. and so at 81 with a few bob in the bank , i don't care if i never work on television again, i can say what i like because , you see, what i like because, you see, i understand this television is a hard industry . you get into it hard industry. you get into it and get a good job. you're jolly lucky. you know, you're well paid. it's very cool, very true. add— paid. it's very cool, very true. add me— paid. it's very cool, very true. all the young presenters now, my love, they've got to kiss

people's backsides. wouldn't be self, but don't need the money. so when you ask me about a topic of conversation, what do you think ? i'm going to tell you the think? i'm going to tell you the truth. because if you never have me back, i don't care. ihra i'm enjoying my lolly. i'm not bothered. i'm not bothered . but bothered. i'm not bothered. but apologies for the language, eddeedb— apologies for the language, although apologise if although i do apologise if evee— although i do apologise if anyone offended . i didn't anyone was offended. i didn't dmd— anyone was offended. i didn't dmd-sedd— anyone was offended. i didn't think said anything, but. think you said anything, but. bed— think you said anything, but. bed vee— think you said anything, but. bed vee dd.— think you said anything, but. but you did. you— think you said anything, but. but you did. you did a little sdee— but you did. you did a little deb-seme— but you did. you did a little sign some people might sign there. some people might get sign there. some people might eed-deb.— sign there. some people might eed-deb bed- sign there. some people might get that. but listen, get upset by that. but listen, i rdeee.— get upset by that. but listen, i rereee. deer.— get upset by that. but listen, i farage, dear. well— get upset by that. but listen, i farage, dear. well stop this nonsense . it's.— farage, dear. well stop this nonsense . it's. it's in me. nonsense. it's. it's in me. med-s— nonsense. it's. it's in me. rbed-s dm— nonsense. it's. it's in me. rbed-s be e.— nonsense. it's. it's in me. that's in me. i- nonsense. it's. it's in me. that's in me. i have to do it. bed— that's in me. i have to do it. bed ddsdem— that's in me. i have to do it. bed ddsdem. d— that's in me. i have to do it. but listen, i get.— that's in me. i have to do it. but listen, i get. i- that's in me. i have to do it. but listen, i get. i call draghi eeem.— but listen, i get. i call draghi eeeede. beeev— but listen, i get. i call draghi cough. sorry. cough. kim forgive dm— cough. sorry. cough. kim forgive d-m deeded— cough. sorry. cough. kim forgive me. i'm teasing you , but kim, me. i'm teasing you, but kim, ddsdem. — me. i'm teasing you, but kim, ddsdem. d— me. i'm teasing you, but kim, listen. i mean,— me. i'm teasing you, but kim, listen. i mean, like , what you listen. i mean, like, what you say— listen. i mean, like, what you sev ds— listen. i mean, like, what you sev ds se— listen. i mean, like, what you say is so inspirational. i eemed— say is so inspirational. i cannot believe that you're in veer— cannot believe that you're in veer sbs.— cannot believe that you're in veer sbs. dd— cannot believe that you're in your 80s. it doesn't even look. dee— your 80s. it doesn't even look. vee deed— your 80s. it doesn't even look. vee deed ed— your 80s. it doesn't even look. you look at your— your 80s. it doesn't even look. you look at your skin looks incredible. _ you look at your skin looks incredible. you— you look at your skin looks incredible. you look so surgery, deer. — incredible. you look so surgery, deer. my— incredible. you look so surgery, deer. rrv beddv. — incredible. you look so surgery, dear. my belly. but- incredible. you look so surgery, dear. my belly. but i'm just going to scratch my belly button. hang on top of my head. you haven't had surgery. i've got a few bob . you haven't had surgery. i've got a few bob. i'm a

you haven't had surgery. i've got a few bob . i'm a long time got a few bob. i'm a long time dead and wrinkles. i don't like. i've had surgery on everything, dean i've had surgery on everything, dear. honest to god, i have. but i'm not going to sit and do what they all do. i've sit there doing this. i've never had any surgery . you can't move your surgery. you can't move your face, you liar. i've had lots of surgery done lots of it. and i'll go on having it, dear. i will. iwill. well, i'll go on having it, dear. i will. i will. well, you will. yes, i will. well, you look fabulous. _ will. yes, i will. well, you look fabulous. i- .. d/ri5 .. well, you look fabulous. i would never beve—deme- look fabulous. i would never have—done. it'si have guessed. it's done. it's deme— have guessed. it's done. it's deme-mdeedv- have guessed. it's done. it's done nicely because some done really nicely because some peepde—se- people do it and it's so ebvdees— people do it and it's so obvious. but- people do it and it's so obvious. but when i do go, i dmvesddede— obvious. but when i do go, i investigate them— obvious. but when i do go, i investigate them and friends of mdme— investigate them and friends of eed— investigate them and friends of emd dd— investigate them and friends of mine and i'll never go to anyone deb-s— mine and i'll never go to anyone deeds eeme— mine and i'll never go to anyone that's come out— mine and i'll never go to anyone that's come out looking silly rde— that's come out looking silly ddde dds— that's come out looking silly ddde dbds . — that's come out looking silly like this. now,— that's come out looking silly like this . \rirde that's come out looking silly like this. \rirded r:rir“ . that's come out looking silly like this. \rirde r:rir“ . r3rir that's come out looking silly like this . rrirer r:rir“ . r3rir like this. now, you don't go to people like that. you go to people like that. you go to people for recommendations and so i know the people that won't pull you face too tight. and i say, look, have a neck done. don't start pulling my neck so tight because they're going to say old bag. oh that's say silly old bag. oh if that's if be a swear if that's supposed to be a swear word, give up. silly old word, i'll give up. silly old bag. i just want to look as if people she have had people say she must have had something looks too something done. she looks too young, can't tell. well, young, but you can't tell. well, i've wanted

i've achieved what i wanted to achieve. listen, kim, you achieve. well, listen, kim, you look absolutely fabulous . look absolutely fabulous. what's. on the way next? what's. what's on the way next? dmd— what's. what's on the way next? dmd-ere — what's. what's on the way next? dmd-ere vee — what's. what's on the way next? and-are you doing- what's. what's on the way next? and are you doing next? and what are you doing next? bedded— and what are you doing next? nothing really. _ and what are you doing next? nothing really. i— and what are you doing next? nothing really. r:rir nothing really. i do lots of mem— nothing really. i do lots of shows on television. moan and groaning about people. as you shows on television. moan and groanibecause. people. as you shows on television. moan and groanibecause. but3le. as you shows on television. moan and groanibecause. but3le. knowr know, because. but you know what? love? i just want to be what? my love? i just want to be honest the reasons gave honest for the reasons i gave you . i've got enough money and you. i've got enough money and i know. and i bless you all. and you're interviewed on television. what you think about phillip holly, for instance phillip and holly, for instance . and they sit there and blast and can't a wrong word. and they can't say a wrong word. love they've got no job left when leave the studio. and when they leave the studio. and i understand that. don't i understand that. but i don't care if i never work. so i could tell it like it is. and i don't regret it, my lovely. i don't regret it, my lovely. i don't regret it, my lovely. i don't regret it . i love your honesty, regret it. i love your honesty, kdm. — regret it. i love your honesty, kdm. dds— regret it. i love your honesty, kdm. dd-s e— regret it. i love your honesty, kdm. dd-s e verv— regret it. i love your honesty, kim. it's a very true- regret it. i love your honesty, kim. it's a very true saying. love isn't it? where there's. there's brass . love isn't it? where there's. there's brass. i mean, in my case where there's faeces, there's brass. i've done very well . i've got to say something well. i've got to say something to you. i read in the papers. i hope you can spare me the time . hope you can spare me the time. go gone. phillip schofield you know, he's left the show. thank god. is a god now, he said

god. there is a god now, he said here, and i quote, i have always done my very to best be honourable and kind. oh police. he is unkind. he's ruthless. he has an ego the size of the empire state building, and he's not remotely kind . that show was not remotely kind. that show was egotist article, and the two of them sat there knowing they had a job. well, it's come to an end and i hope they get rid of holly. i'm sorry. she shouldn't stay there. no, she used to say all the time, didn't she? oh, i love phillip. i love phillip. we are part owners. we'll always work together. now now it's gone wrong for him. she suddenly she. oh, i'll work on my own . well, oh, i'll work on my own. well, if that's a friend, i'd hate an enemy. well, if that's a friend, i'd hate an enemy . well, it's a if that's a friend, i'd hate an enemy. well, it's a game when veve— enemy. well, it's a game when veve ded— enemy. well, it's a game when veve eed de— enemy. well, it's a game when you've got to stick— enemy. well, it's a game when you've got to stick by- ri“rii“3r well, it's a game when you've got to stick by them. rdm — you've got to stick by them. rdm wedded.— you've got to stick by them. kim walton, we're— you've got to stick by them. kim walton, we're running out of time. and of course, they're not bere— time. and of course, they're not bere de— time. and of course, they're not here to defend— . and of course, they're not here to defend themselves, as you— here to defend themselves, as vee—deem.- you know. but kim, listen, it's seed— you know. but kim, listen, it's seeb e— you know. but kim, listen, it's such a pleasure— you know. but kim, listen, it's such a pleasure to— you know. but kim, listen, it's such a pleasure to talk to you. dds— such a pleasure to talk to you. dds-preesere— such a pleasure to talk to you. it's-pleasure to- such a pleasure to talk to you. it's pleasure to talk to it's such a pleasure to talk to you,— it's such a pleasure to talk to vee. dm— it's such a pleasure to talk to you, kim. thank— it's such a pleasure to talk to you, kim. thank so much. you, kim. thank you so much. dds—ded- you, kim. thank you so much. dd-s—dedlveei it's a pleasure to talk to you. devedv— it's a pleasure to talk to you. devedvlsee— it's a pleasure to talk to you. lovely-see-well,. it's a pleasure to talk to you.| lovely-see-well, i'm lovely to see you. well, i'm going where are you going on friday. where are you

going? advertise myself. going? to advertise myself. i'm going? to advertise myself. i'm going birmingham bullring going to the birmingham bullring on evening for gaydio . on friday evening for gaydio. oh, i'm i'm i'm going to get a nice white outfit on, dear. and because it's of course, because it's love. i'm going to go to gauge your friday evening. oh, i'll have a lovely time, dear. come along. you'll have a one. you come along. you have a wonderful time. nana. i might give a go. kim woodburn. give it a go. kim woodburn. memd— give it a go. kim woodburn. meek-se— give it a go. kim woodburn. thank-so much.- give it a go. kim woodburn. thank-so much. it's- r3 . r3rir kim woodburn. thank so much. it's such a thank you so much. it's such a pdeesere—rbedl thank you so much. it's such aj pleasure—that is pleasure to talk to you. that is de— pleasure to talk to you. that is the fabulous— pleasure to talk to you. that is the fabulous woodburn. she's the fabulous kim woodburn. she's bedded.— the fabulous kim woodburn. she's bedded-rd— brilliant. she's a tv personality.- brilliant. she's a tv personality. isn't personality. i love her. isn't sbe— personality. i love her. isn't sbe deede— personality. i love her. isn't she great? right. well, listen, sdev— she great? right. well, listen, sdev remed— she great? right. well, listen, srev remed .— she great? right. well, listen, stay tuned . we've got that great stay tuned. we've got that great brddsb— stay tuned. we've got that great british debate _ stay tuned. we've got that great british debate on— stay tuned. we've got that great british debate on the way. i'm esddmd— british debate on the way. i'm eskme vee— british debate on the way. i'm asking you should sunak asking you should rishi sunak sesbe— asking you should rishi sunak sasha-suella- asking you should rishi sunak sasha suella braverman. sasha walpole suella braverman. deeerddmd— sasha walpole suella braverman. wedded-.— sasha walpole suella braverman. according-, suella- according to reports, suella braverman-civil- according to reports, suella braverman civil servants braverman are civil servants to bedp— braverman are civil servants to bedp-evedd— braverman are civil servants to help avoid getting points on help her avoid getting points on her help her avoid getting points on be ddeemee— help her avoid getting points on her licence for— help her avoid getting points on her licence for speeding and wdd— her licence for speeding and wdd-eedddmd- her licence for speeding and with _calling.an. with labour calling for an dmvesddede — with labour calling for an investigate claiming with labour calling for an investigate .claiming she investigate in claiming that she has—ministerial- investigate in claiming that she has ministerial code, has broken the ministerial code, sbeedd— has broken the ministerial code, sbeedd-beed— has broken the ministerial code, should-back her.- has broken the ministerial code, should back her. don't go should sunak back her. don't go emvwbere—

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and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and of course, it's time for our great british debate. this hour. and as ever, we love to talk about rishi sunak because , of course, there's the because, of course, there's the whole situation with him. should he circle back? suella braverman . and this comes as the home secretary allegedly asked civil servants to help her avoid getting on a licence for getting points on a licence for speeding what labour's speeding in. what labour's saying be breach of the saying would be a breach of the minister's the minister's code. now, since the reports the home secretary hasn't publicly commented on the issue and the prime minister insists that he still has full confidence suella despite it confidence in suella despite it failing to publicly back her at the g7 summit. he said. i understand that she's expressed regret for speeding, accepted the penalty and paid the fine. so as she broken the ministerial code, should sunak publicly back her. therefore the great british debate i'm asking should rishi sunak sack or back suella braverman ? i'm joined now by braverman? i'm joined now by former brexit party ben former brexit party mep ben habib, editor of the habib, former editor of the sunday mirror. paul conway , sunday mirror. paul conway, conwy. and last but not least,

former labour mp stephen pound. all right, ben habib, i'm going to start with you first. back or sack back? i mean, you know , sack back? i mean, you know, deeds— sack back? i mean, you know, ded-s ded— sack back? i mean, you know, der-s eed dds— sack back? i mean, you know, let's get this into— t t7 i mean, you know, let's get this into context . let's get this into context. sbe— let's get this into context. sbe we— let's get this into context. sbe ped— let's get this into context. she was put on _ let's get this into context. she was put on a- let's get this into context. she was put on a speed awareness course. that means the speed wdd— course. that means the speed wddb wbdeb— course. that means the speed with which she— course. that means the speed with which she was,- trix. that means the speed with which she was, you know, the with which she was, you know, dbe speed — with which she was, you know, dee speed ed— with which she was, you know, the speed at which she was drdvdmd— the speed at which she was driving es— the speed at which she was driving was only marginally over the driving was only marginally over dbe speed— driving was only marginally over the speed limit— driving was only marginally over the speed limit . _ driving was only marginally over the speed limit . /rix. . the speed limit. you know, it's hardly a sort of eyebrow raising event. so i think he should utterly back her. the fact that he utterly back her. the fact that be sbe— utterly back her. the fact that be sbe esded— utterly back her. the fact that he she asked to— utterly back her. the fact that he she asked to do— utterly back her. the fact that he she asked to do this- he she asked to do this prdveredv— he she asked to do this prdveredv ds— he she asked to do this privately is entirely understandable. privately is entirely— understandable. she's the home secretary. she has— understandable. t ”3 she has security secretary. she has security dededd— secretary. she has security dededd .— secretary. she has security dededd . see— secretary. she has security detail . she she's- t ”3 she has security detail . she she's protected in detail. she she's protected in meev— detail. she she's protected in memv respeeds— detail. she she's protected in many respects as— detail. she she's protected in many respects as a result of her pesddem. — many respects as a result of her pesddem. mem— many respects as a result of her position. then why— many respects as a result of her position. :“ . many respects as a result of her position. “i“ : “ . position. then why shouldn't she get the same form of protection when she does a speed awareness course? i think it's absolutely right she made the inquiry right that she made the inquiry and she took, in the end a much more severe penalty than would otherwise have been due to her. it's not like she shirked punishment. - it's not like she shirked punishment. i“ punishment. she took on a penalty that was greater than would have been meted out to her if she'd , you know, done that

if she'd, you know, done that speed awareness so speed awareness course. so i can't see anything here. other than a storm in a teacup made up by the press. so has done nothing wrong. she made an innocent and she took innocent inquiry and she took the full, penalty for the full, full penalty for a marginal breach of the speed limit. yeah, but. but apparently the limit. yeah, but. but apparently dbe reperes— limit. yeah, but. but apparently the reports that— limit. yeah, but. but apparently the reports that she— . . yeah, but. but apparently the reports that she asked to do the reports that she asked to do dbe eeerse— the reports that she asked to do dbe em— the reports that she asked to do the course on her— the reports that she asked to do the course on her own, is that deede— the course on her own, is that rddbde d— the course on her own, is that rdedere d meem— the course on her own, is that right? i mean, wasn't that what dev— right? i mean, wasn't that what dbev wee— right? i mean, wasn't that what dev sevmd— right? i mean, wasn't that what they were saying rather than. bed— they were saying rather than. bed weed-s— they were saying rather than. but what's wrong with that? were— but what's wrong with that? deme sbe-s— but what's wrong with that? nana she's the— but what's wrong with that? nana she's the home- but what's wrong with that? nana she's the home secretary she she has a position which should protected. should be protected. she shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't she shouldn't be unnecessarily , closed to unnecessarily exposed, closed to the public. you know, she has a security for example . security detail, for example. why do why members of cabinet why do why do members of cabinet have a security detail? it's because need protection. because they need protection. it's think that a mere it's absurd to think that a mere inquiry about whether she could for her own modesty, avoid doing this in public would breach the ministerial code somehow. well, let me bring paul in.— ministerial code somehow. well, let me bring paul in. paul- “ t: well, let me bring paul in. paul what do let me bring paul in. paul what de vee— let me bring paul in. paul what de vee ddmde — let me bring paul in. paul what do you think? ben— let me bring paul in. paul what do you think? lei“ : let me bring paul in. paul what do you think? li“ : r3ri. do you think? ben needs to get his facts straight to start with , she would have taken the

course on line, so therefore, she would only be visible on a screen as as happens to anybody else, not in the same room as people. so the security detail argument is complete balderdash. but but this flies in the face of but but this flies in the face ed ddsbd — but but this flies in the face of rishi sunak— but but this flies in the face of rishi sunak promise of rremsperemev— of rishi sunak promise of transparency ,— of rishi sunak promise of transparency , integrity . ' “r: of rishi sunak promise of transparency , integrity . . “r: transparency, integrity. and why sbeedd— transparency, integrity. and why sbeedd sbe— transparency, integrity. and why should she expect exceptional treatment and also you're not meant to use civil servants to try to sort out personal moral issues. and try to sort out personal moral issues . and it wasn't just the issues. and it wasn't just the edvdd— issues. and it wasn't just the edvdd servdee— issues. and it wasn't just the civil service she— and it wasn't just the civil service she asked. she dem— civil service she asked. she dbem eered— civil service she asked. she then asked a— civil service she asked. she then asked a political adviser that tried to intervene in. so i think she's going to face- .d “ so i think she's going to face quite a think she's going to face quite e ded— think she's going to face quite e ded ed— think she's going to face quite a lot of pressure— think she's going to face quite a lot of pressure . “ridi .. a lot of pressure. there will be definitely emergency questions tabled tomorrow , and i suspect tabled tomorrow, and i suspect the rishi sunak will be forced to once again have his as ethics tsar.

to once again have his as ethics tsar . sir laurie magnus started tsar. sir laurie magnus started an investigation. so he was wrong to even bring bring braverman back into the cabinet after after in a similar breach of the rules, she was sacked or forced out by liz truss and i think she and i think she's on borrowed it should be on borrowed it should be on borrowed time. now apart from the borrowed time. now apart from dbe deed— borrowed time. now apart from dbe deed ded— borrowed time. now apart from the fact that rishi _ : . now apart from the fact that rishi sunak is edredd— the fact that rishi sunak is ededd ed— the fact that rishi sunak is afraid of the— the fact that rishi sunak is afraid of the hard right in his party.— afraid of the hard right in his perrv. wbe— afraid of the hard right in his party, who would be outraged, of dd— party, who would be outraged, of dd be— party, who would be outraged, of course if he got— party, who would be outraged, of course if he got rid— party, who would be outraged, of course if he got rid of her, weeddm-d— course if he got rid of her, wouldn't that— course if he got rid of her, wouldn't that be home secretary memberb — wouldn't that be home secretary number? would— wouldn't that be home secretary number? would it— wouldn't that be home secretary number? would it be- wouldn't that be home secretary number? . “ ri7 number? would it be number nine? i think it would be. i don't know. stephen pound, hello there. icannot know. stephen pound, hello there. i cannot , cannot know. stephen pound, hello there. i cannot, cannot imagine evee— there. i cannot, cannot imagine evee dess— there. i cannot, cannot imagine anyone less likely— there. i cannot, cannot imagine anyone less likely to— .“ridi i cannot, cannot imagine anyone less likely to go roaring dreedb— anyone less likely to go roaring dreedb de— anyone less likely to go roaring through the back— anyone less likely to go roaring through the back streets of dempsbdre— through the back streets of hampshire in— through the back streets of hampshire in a— through the back streets of hampshire in a souped up motor dem— hampshire in a souped up motor dbem seede— hampshire in a souped up motor than suella braverman. : than suella braverman. the idea of than suella braverman. the idea ed ber— than suella braverman. the idea ed ber deme— than suella braverman. the idea ed ber dedme e— than suella braverman. the idea of her doing a sort of mrs. toad roaring through the hedgerows with people flying on either side of them. it seems bizarre to side of them. it seems bizarre de e.— side of them. it seems bizarre re bed— side of them. it seems bizarre to me. but look,— side of them. it seems bizarre to me. but look, i— side of them. it seems bizarre to me. but look, i have- r:i it seems bizarre to me. but look, i have to say, of to me. but look, i have to say, ed d— to me. but look, i have to say, of course i can— to me. but look, i have to say, of course i can think of 101 wbv— of course i can think of 101 reasons why she-

of course i can think of 101 reasons why she should be sacked , reasons why she should be sacked . prmedpedv— reasons why she should be sacked , principally because her dedderees— , principally because her ludicrous farce pickle, cruel, breded— ludicrous farce pickle, cruel, brutal immigration policy. but semdme— brutal immigration policy. but semdme peepde— brutal immigration policy. but sending people to— brutal immigration policy. but sending people to rwanda . what's sending people to rwanda. what's wrong with rwanda? there's nothing you nothing wrong with it. have you ever everything wrong ever been. everything is wrong wdd— ever been. everything is wrong wdd-dd-s— ever been. everything is wrong wdd-dd-s em- ever been. everything is wrong with-it's an absolutej with rwanda. it's an absolute no, that's insult no, it's not. that's an insult to people of rwanda. it's to the people of rwanda. it's a lovely famous lovely country that's famous for its gorillas was not insulting the rwanda. what i'm the people of rwanda. what i'm just saying the people of rwanda. what i'm fesr sevme-eme— the people of rwanda. what i'm just saying-one person- just saying is if one person eers— just saying is if one person debs-deem - just saying is if one person gets-from this. just saying is if one person- gets _from this country gets deported from this country to i gets deported from this country de-d wddd— gets deported from this country de-d wddd eed- gets deported from this country to-i will eat my- gets deported from this country to i will eat my hat. to rwanda, i will eat my hat. me— to rwanda, i will eat my hat. rbe reedddv— to rwanda, i will eat my hat. rbe reedddv ds— to rwanda, i will eat my hat. the reality is that— to rwanda, i will eat my hat. the reality is that she- to rwanda, i will eat my hat. the reality is that she should have been sacked for 101 reasons. but this. this reasons. but not for this. this is nonsense. my— reasons. but not for this. this is nonsense. my dear- but not for this. this is nonsense. my dear beloved debeer— is nonsense. my dear beloved debeer-d— is nonsense. my dear beloved labour-i have-say. is nonsense. my dear beloved. labour-i have-say they labour party. i have to say they are actually playing the ball , are actually playing the ball, playing the and not the ball playing the man and not the ball in case. her in this particular case. let her off sucker for everything off this sucker for everything else. but if we try to get an urgent question on monday on this particular then this particular subject, then i have say the labour party is have to say the labour party is not the noble principle party of populist socialism that i thought it was so you think you're thinking that they're perhaps thinking to a gutter that don't need to in.7 that they don't need to go in.7 paul do you think he's paul doyyou think he's right.7 paul do you think he's right.7 wen— paul do you think he's right.7 weu .— paul do you think he's right.7 well i often— paul do you think he's right.7 well i often agree with stephen, but-not— well i often agree with stephen, but-not not— well i often agree with stephen, but-not not on— well i often agree with stephen, but-not not on this- well i often agree with stephen, but not not on this occasion but but not not on this occasion . n-s— but but not not on this occasion . ws misusing— but but not not on this occasion

. it's misusing civil— but but not not on this occasion . it's misusing civil servants or the blob , as her defenders or the blob, as her defenders will actually no doubt put it, is in fact , looks like a breach is in fact, looks like a breach of the rules. so don't think ifs— of the rules. so don't think n-s a— of the rules. so don't think n-s a ifs— of the rules. so don't think n-s a n-s a— of the rules. so don't think it's a it's a trivial- so don't think it's a it's a trivial matter. but— it's a it's a trivial matter. but .— it's a it's a trivial matter. but i agree— it's a it's a trivial matter. but i agree with- it's a it's a trivial matter. but i agree with i- it's a it's a trivial matter. but i agree with i agree with stephen. there are a lot of other reasons why suella braverman shouldn't be shouldn't be. our home secretary but and i think last week was a case when she quite clearly pitched to be the next tory leader and in in a sense, if he wasn't so afraid of the of the of the right wing of his party, this would be a case where rishi sunak sunak would have a perfect weapon to get rid of this meddlesome pest in his own cabinet. let's give a quick final word to ben obe. you've got about 20s ben— �*" : 56" you've got about 20s ben habib, quickly . wen.— got about 20s ben habib, quickly . wen. ifs— got about 20s ben habib, quickly . wen. its so— got about 20s ben habib, quickly . well, it's so interesting- got about 20s ben habib, quickly . well, it's so interesting to hear suella braverman describe as a sort of hard right politician. you know, the political— politician. you know, the political debate - politician. you know, the political debate is- . wt. " you know, the political debate is so far shifted— political debate is so far shifted over— political debate is so far shifted over to the left that just— shifted over to the left that just a— shifted over to the left that just a desire— shifted over to the left that just a desire to— shifted over to the left that just a desire to protect our borders— just a desire to protect our borders somehow casts her as

this— borders somehow casts her as ttts twtut— borders somehow casts her as this awful right— borders somehow casts her as this awful right wing lunatic susttt— this awful right wing lunatic suella braverman is trying to protest— suella braverman is trying to protest the— suella braverman is trying to protect the integrity of the unttst — protect the integrity of the united kingdom in the various measures she's— united kingdom in the various measures she's taking to control tttsgtt— measures she's taking to control illegal migration— measures she's taking to control illegal migration and i support her wholeheartedly . i don't her wholeheartedly. i don't tttnt— her wholeheartedly. i don't think she'll— her wholeheartedly. i don't think she'll succeed. i think stsptsn-s— think she'll succeed. i think stephen's right— think she'll succeed. i think stephen's right. rwandan think she'll succeed. i think stephen's right . rwandan policy stephen's right. rwandan policy won-t— stephen's right. rwandan policy won-t wk,— stephen's right. rwandan policy won't work, but— stephen's right. rwandan policy won't work, but there are many tttngs— won't work, but there are many tttngs she-s— won't work, but there are many things she's tried— won't work, but there are many things she's tried to do to get it things she's tried to do to get tt sorted— things she's tried to do to get tt sortst att— things she's tried to do to get it sorted all strength to her sttsw— it sorted all strength to her sttow .— it sorted all strength to her elbow . this— it sorted all strength to her elbow . this is— it sorted all strength to her elbow . this is a- it sorted all strength to her elbow . this is a storm in a elbow. this is a storm in a teacup— elbow. this is a storm in a teacup manufactured those who teacup manufactured by those who wtst— teacup manufactured by those who wtst to— teacup manufactured by those who wtst to tttng— teacup manufactured by those who wish to bring someone down like her ant— wish to bring someone down like her ant .— wish to bring someone down like her ant . tops— wish to bring someone down like her and i hope she— wish to bring someone down like her and i hope she gets through this her and i hope she gets through ttts ts— her and i hope she gets through ttts ts ste— her and i hope she gets through this as she should. ” g this as she should. all right. tttnt— this as she should. all right. thank you very much, ben albie, former party mep, former thank you very much, ben albie, formerof party mep, former thank you very much, ben albie, formerof the party mep, former thank you very much, ben albie, formerof the sunday.ep, former thank you very much, ben albie, formerof the sunday.ep, f0ipaul editor of the sunday henri paul can't last but not can't wait. and last but not least, pound. thank you least, stephen pound. thank you very much. we're out of time and of in case anyone of course, just in case anyone i'm going go there. i'm not even going to go there. rwanda famous for its gorilla rwanda is famous for its gorilla sanctuaries, you're with rwanda is famous for its gorilla sanci'm'ies, you're with rwanda is famous for its gorilla sanci'm nana you're with rwanda is famous for its gorilla sanci'm nana covid.u're with rwanda is famous for its gorilla sanci'm nana covid. thisnith rwanda is famous for its gorilla sanci'm nana covid. this is h rwanda is famous for its gorilla sanci'm nana covid. this is gb me. i'm nana covid. this is gb news online and digital news on tv online and on digital radio. up, continue radio. coming up, we'll continue with british debate with our great british debate this asking, this hour. and i'm asking, should rishi sunak or batus should rishi sunak sack or batus suella you'll hear should rishi sunak sack or batus suethoughts you'll hear should rishi sunak sack or batus suethoughts of you'll hear should rishi sunak sack or batus suethoughts of my you'll hear should rishi sunak sack or batus suethoughts of my panel,�*|ear the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly former conservative kelly and former conservative councillor but councillor claire pearsall. but first, your latest first, let's get your latest

news . 5:34. i'm right news headlines. 5:34. i'm right ,atttson— news headlines. 5:34. i'm right ,atttson tn— news headlines. 5:34. i'm right , addison in the— : 5:34. i'm right , addison in the newsroom oppssttton— , addison in the newsroom opposition leaders are calling for opposition leaders are calling tor tn— opposition leaders are calling for an investigation after it emerged— for an investigation after it emerged that— for an investigation after it emerged that the home secretary tttst— emerged that the home secretary tttst to— emerged that the home secretary tttst to stem— emerged that the home secretary tried to avoid incurring points on tet— tried to avoid incurring points on her driving— tried to avoid incurring points on her driving licence for spssttng— on her driving licence for speeding last— on her driving licence for speeding last summer. the sunday ttmss— speeding last summer. the sunday ttmss reports— speeding last summer. the sunday times reports that— speeding last summer. the sunday times reports that suella braverman asked a civil servant to orgtntss— braverman asked a civil servant to orgtntss t— braverman asked a civil servant to wants a t— braverman asked a civil servant to organise a i to— braverman asked a civil servant to organise a i to i— braverman asked a civil servant to organise a i to i driving awareness course instead. shadow toms— awareness course instead. shadow home secretary— awareness course instead. shadow home secretary yvette cooper tssstttst— home secretary yvette cooper described the _ home secretary yvette cooper described the allegations as stocktns— described the allegations as shocking, saying ms braverman's role shocking, saying ms braverman's tots ts— shocking, saying ms braverman's tots ts to— shocking, saying ms braverman's role is to uphold— shocking, saying ms braverman's role is to uphold the law . on role is to uphold the law. on the— role is to uphold the law. on the ttntt— role is to uphold the law. on the ttntt day— role is to uphold the law. on the final day of— role is to uphold the law. on the final day of the g7 summit in the final day of the g7 summit tn japan,— the final day of the g7 summit tn japan, wett— the final day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders have set out ttstt— in japan, world leaders have set out their plans— in japan, world leaders have set out their plans to— in japan, world leaders have set out their plans to tackle tggtssston— out their plans to tackle aggression from china. prime mtntstst— aggression from china. prime minister rishi _ aggression from china. prime minister rishi sunak says beijing— minister rishi sunak says beijing poses— minister rishi sunak says beijing poses the biggest sttttsngs— beijing poses the biggest challenge to— beijing poses the biggest challenge to global security, tstng— challenge to global security, tstng tts— challenge to global security, tstng tts snty— challenge to global security, being the only country with both the means— being the only country with both the means and— being the only country with both the means and intent to reshape the means and intent to reshape the wett— the means and intent to reshape the world order— the means and intent to reshape the world order .— the means and intent to reshape the world order . the president the world order. the president of the world order. the president ot unatte— the world order. the president of ukraine has— the world order. the president of ukraine has addressed world testers—

of ukraine has addressed world testers at— of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the— of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7— of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7 summit, saying ts-s— leaders at the g7 summit, saying ts-s sontttsnt— leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident that— leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peace tormutt— he's confident that kiev's peace tstmutt tas— he's confident that kiev's peace formula has the _ he's confident that kiev's peace formula has the potential to prevent— formula has the potential to prevent future _ formula has the potential to prevent future wars . he thanked prevent future wars. he thanked western — prevent future wars. he thanked western allies— prevent future wars. he thanked western allies for— prevent future wars. he thanked western allies for their ongoing suspen— western allies for their ongoing support, including receiving anetteen— support, including receiving american made— support, including receiving american made f—16 jets and the tntntne— american made f—16 jets and the tntntne et— american made f—16 jets and the training of ukrainian pilots. vetetynyt— training of ukrainian pilots. volodymyr zelenskyy also ttsntsset— volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims that the tussten— dismissed claims that the russian mercenary wagner group neve— russian mercenary wagner group neve captured— russian mercenary wagner group have captured the— russian mercenary wagner group have captured the city of netnnut— have captured the city of netnnut .— have captured the city of bakhmut . the- have captured the city of bakhmut . the environment bakhmut. the environment secretary— bakhmut. the environment seeteten says— bakhmut. the environment secretary says scrapping eu laws neute— secretary says scrapping eu laws wentt teest— secretary says scrapping eu laws would boost the— secretary says scrapping eu laws would boost the uk's domestic wtne— would boost the uk's domestic tntustn— would boost the uk's domestic tntustn .— would boost the uk's domestic wine industry . by— would boost the uk's domestic wine industry . by around £180 wine industry. by around £180 ntttten— wine industry. by around £180 ntttten. a— wine industry. by around £180 million. a number of brussels reentettens— million. a number of brussels regulations that— million. a number of brussels regulations that were retained atten— regulations that were retained ettet tent— regulations that were retained after brexit will— regulations that were retained after brexit will be dropped as part— after brexit will be dropped as pen et— after brexit will be dropped as pen et tne— after brexit will be dropped as part of the retained eu law ent— part of the retained eu law bill, including— part of the retained eu law bill, including some that impact the bill, including some that impact tne sets.— bill, including some that impact the sector. therese— bill, including some that impact the sector. therese coffey says it the sector. therese coffey says tt wttt— the sector. therese coffey says it will reduce— the sector. therese coffey says it will reduce unnecessary red tene— it will reduce unnecessary red tape ant— it will reduce unnecessary red tape and allow— it will reduce unnecessary red tape and allow the industry to tnnve— tape and allow the industry to tnnve .— tape and allow the industry to tnnve . were— tape and allow the industry to thrive . we're on— tape and allow the industry to thrive . we're on tv online , on thrive. we're on tv online, on data — thrive. we're on tv online, on data tatte— thrive. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and— thrive. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune in to tnts— dab+ radio and on tune in to tnts ts— dab+ radio and on tune in to tnts ts en— dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news.— dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to nana—

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say would be a breach of the ministerial— say would be a breach of the ministerial-now,- say would be a breach of the ministerial now, since the ministerial code. now, since the reasons— ministerial code. now, since the reasons-none— ministerial code. now, since the reports home secretary reports the home secretary nasn-t— reports the home secretary hasn't publicly— reports the home secretary hasn't publicly commented the hasn't publicly commented on the ._ hasn't publicly commented on the , tne— hasn't publicly commented on the issue , the prime— hasn't publicly commented on the issue , the prime minister issue, the prime minister tnststs— issue, the prime minister insists that— issue, the prime minister insists that has full insists that he has full confidence— insists that he has full confidence suella despite it confidence in suella despite it tanne— confidence in suella despite it tatttne te— confidence in suella despite it failing to publicly back her at the failing to publicly back her at tne et— failing to publicly back her at the g7 summit.— failing to publicly back her at the g7 summit. although i don't tntnt— the g7 summit. although i don't tntnt-tne— the g7 summit. although i don't think-the place- the g7 summit. although i don't think the place that you think that's the place that you neute— think that's the place that you weatt te— think that's the place that you would do that,— think that's the place that you would do that, he said. i understand— would do that, he said. i understand that she's expressed egret— understand that she's expressed regret tet— understand that she's expressed regret for speeding, accepted the regret for speeding, acceptedl tne—tne. regret for speeding, acceptedl the has—fine. regret for speeding, acceptedl the has she _fine. regret for speeding, accepted the has she broken fine. regret for speeding, accepted thehas she broken the fine. so has she broken the ministerial— so has she broken the- ministerial-should ministerial code and should ttsnt—taetl ministerial code and should. rishi—back her? rishi sunak publicly back her.7 so rishi sunak publicly back her.7 se tet— rishi sunak publicly back her? so tea tne— rishi sunak publicly back her? so for the great— rishi sunak publicly back her? so for the great british debate tnts— so for the great british debate tnts-anne- so for the great british debate this asking, should this hour, i'm asking, should sunak— this hour, i'm asking, should sunak-et— this hour, i'm asking, should sunak-or sack- this hour, i'm asking, should sunak or sack suella sunak back or sack suella braverman?— sunak back or sack suella braverman? so— sunak back or sack suella braverman? so to discuss joining nelnave— braverman? so to discuss joining me, have broadcaster and me, i have broadcaster and teatnattst— me, i have broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, who's a tonne— journalist danny kelly, who's a former conservative councillor. state— former conservative councillor. claire pearsall— former conservative councillor. claire pearsall so— former conservative councillor. claire pearsall so danny, i'll te— claire pearsall so danny, i'll to tea— claire pearsall so danny, i'll come to you first— claire pearsall so danny, i'll come to you first and okay back if come to you first and okay back tt ne— come to you first and okay back tt ne saets— come to you first and okay back if he sacks her— come to you first and okay back if he sacks her over— come to you first and okay back if he sacks her over something so tentat— if he sacks her over something so trivial and— if he sacks her over something so trivial and ministerial code astte— so trivial and ministerial code astte, tt-s— so trivial and ministerial code astte, tt-s an— so trivial and ministerial code aside, it's an incredibly tentat— aside, it's an incredibly trivial matter. i hope that stephen pound , when that flight stephen pound, when that flight takes off to rwanda, brings in a nice trilby. he can eat it on air live on your show. that yeah that's on the record parody . that's on the record parody. yeah that's on record. yeah that's on the record. i think. okay let's let's break it down to the nuts and bolts of this story. she's broken the

speed limit. okay. i sided with ben about the ministerial all security team because i've been on one of these courses and it's just a classroom and it's the most boring full four hours you'll ever. i really enjoyed my- _ you'll ever. i really enjoyed my. tea-te— you'll ever. i really enjoyed my. you're joking. i loved it. and like when they— and like when they asked the anesttens— and like when they asked the anesttens .— and like when they asked the questions, i know, questions, i said, i know, i knew.— questions, i said, i know, i knew. .— questions, i said, i know, i knew. . knew.— questions, i said, i know, i know. i know. i— questions, i said, i know, i know. i know. i was the person wno— know. i know. i was the person ens-answenne— know. i know. i was the person who answering the who kept answering all the anesttens. — who kept answering all the questions. _we- who kept answering all the questions. “at: who kept answering all the- questions. _we had a really questions. yeah, we had a really annoying know it all there as well. and then i discovered from annoying know it all there as weldaily then i discovered from annoying know it all there as weldaily then ifella)vered from annoying know it all there as weldaily then ifella)vereitfrom the daily mirror fella that it was online so that blows out was all online so that blows out that part of argument. that part of the argument. well, it would well, no, but but then it would say— well, no, but but then it would say-braverman.- well, no, but but then it would say-braverman. i- well, no, but but then it would say braverman. i mean, say suella braverman. i mean, tet-s— say suella braverman. i mean, tet-s-nenest.— say suella braverman. i mean, let's-honest. you- say suella braverman. i mean, let's honest. you don't let's let's be honest. you don't want— let's let's be honest. you don't want tne— let's let's be honest. you don't want the home— let's let's be honest. you don't want the home secretary. i don't tntnt— want the home secretary. i don't tntnt-was— want the home secretary. i don't tntnt-was a— want the home secretary. i don't think-was a home- want the home secretary. i don't think was a home secretary think she was a home secretary at—yea— think she was a home secretary at—yea ten-t- think she was a home secretary at_you don't want| at the time. but you don't want her at the time. but you don't want net—tnete- at the time. but you don't want net—tnete tn- at the time. but you don't wantj her—there in that her name exposed there in that sttaatten— her name exposed there in thatl sttaatten. _tne situation. okay she's broken the taes— situation. okay she's broken the aesneant—l rules, but that doesn't mean evenene— rules, but that doesn't mean. everyone—about rules, but that doesn't mean- everyone_about it. everyone needs to know about it. if everyone needs to know about it. ttlwas— everyone needs to know about it. ttlwas tne— everyone needs to know about it. iflwas the prime— everyone needs to know about it. iflwas the prime minister- if it was the prime minister breaking the speed limit, sorry if the prime minister, if it was the prime minister, would be unreasonable would it be unreasonable for the prime say, you prime minister to say, do you mind do it one on one? and mind if i do it one on one? and if i don't think if you say no, i don't think that would be unreasonable because you're the prime minister. then all of a sudden i don't see it's not that massive a leap between the home secretary and the prime

minister. part of the cabinet, i don't think. but yeah, but tnete-s— don't think. but yeah, but there's-things- don't think. but yeah, but there's-things that. don't think. but yeah, but. there's-things that you don't think. but yeah, but- there's-things that you can there's some things that you can do there's some things that you can te—tene- there's some things that you can te—tene tnen. do as long as you've done them. tne— do as long as you've done them. tne speet— do as long as you've done them. the speed awareness course is net—expose- not designed to expose you to everybody— not designed to expose you to everybody etse — not designed to expose you to everybody else that you've anten— everybody else that you've tatten tne — everybody else that you've broken the speed limit, the speet— broken the speed limit, the speed you speed awareness courses for you to_theyl to improve your speed. so they sneatt—etl should have different ways of tent— should have different ways of doing—differentl doing that thing for different peepte— doing that thing for different people elements doing that thing for different pe0|the elements doing that thing for different pe0|the government.ements doing that thing for different pe0|the government.emerbut like the government. and but tney— like the government. and but they. _ like the government. and but tney- ant— like the government. and but they. and ithink- like the government. and but they. andlthink her- like the government. and buti they. and ithink her first they do. and i think her first problem she went her problem was that she went to her civil servants when civil servants first when realistically, got realistically, if she'd just got a involved, as many a lawyer involved, as many celebrities have done so in the past, then they have past, then they could have made that provider of the that case to the provider of the speed course and said, speed awareness course and said, we have a high profile individual. be a one individual. it needs to be a one on one or a zoom or whatever it is. that would solved is. so that would have solved the problem. think it muddies the problem. i think it muddies the problem. i think it muddies the waters when you're asking civil servants to do something for minister, which is for a minister, which is something personal to them . so something personal to them. so you you can put that to one side. now, i don't think that this is massive deal. no i'm side. now, i don't think that thisa; massive deal. no i'm side. now, i don't think that thisa greatassive deal. no i'm side. now, i don't think that thisa great fan'e deal. no i'm side. now, i don't think that thisa great fan ofdeal. no i'm side. now, i don't think that thisa great fan of the. no i'm side. now, i don't think that thisa great fan of the homem not a great fan of the home secretary, but think this has secretary, but i think this has been out of all proportion been blown out of all proportion in. i think be in. i think what will be interesting home office interesting is it's home office questions in the house questions tomorrow in the house of commons. so she's going to be straight there 230 in

straight up there at 230 in front everybody . so i don't front of everybody. so i don't think a for that. think there's a need for that. she'll watching it. so we'll she'll be watching it. so we'll see. but the home office needs to sort itself out. you've got the borders minister who was banned for speeding the security minister who's been banned for using and now the using a mobile phone and now the home secretary has got points for speeding. but this is their own points. they're normal people. they're not. that's ntnt. — people. they're not. that's ngnt. nana— they're not. that's right. nana they're normal people- — right. nana they're normal people. they're- right. nana they're normal people. "a; ”c: right. nana they're normal- people. they're normal. they're normal people. so they have nonnat— normal people. so they have netnat—et- normal people. so they have normal—of us.- normal lives like all of us. they— normal lives like all of us. tney-peneet. - normal lives like all of us. they perfect. and we they are not perfect. and we nave— they are not perfect. and we have .realise _ they are not perfect. and we have .realise that- they are not perfect. and we have realise that will have to realise that they will if have to realise that they will tt we — have to realise that they will tt we nave— have to realise that they will if we have these— have to realise that they will if we have these this height of expectatten — if we have these this height of expectation, -will- if we have these this height of expectation, will fail expectation, they will fail ewen— expectation, they will fail every ttne. — expectation, they will fail every time. don't disagree expectation, they will fail everjyou,e. don't disagree expectation, they will fail everjyou,e. don'atiisagree expectation, they will fail everjyou,e. don'atiisagend of with you, but but at the end of the-something- with you, but but at the end of the something like this the day when something like this nappens— the day when something like this nappens-tnts— the day when something like this nappens-tnts ts— the day when something like this happens, this is why we've happens, i'm this is why we've nat— happens, i'm this is why we've natlnanw— happens, i'm this is why we've had-many home— happens, i'm this is why we've had many home secretaries and had so many home secretaries and so had so many home secretaries and se-ant— had so many home secretaries and se-ant-neeaasel so many this and that. because wnen— so many this and that. because when something— so many this and that. because when something simple and small like when something simple and small ttte—tt-s— when something simple and small ttte—tt-s twe- when something simple and small likeithem,-it's like- when something simple and small like them, them,.ike them, sack them, sack them, sack them, ant— and then the business of government— and then the business of- government—done, and then the business of- goverris ent_done, and then the business of- goverris why—done, and then the business of goverris why we've done, and then the business of goverris why we've the 1e, which is why we've got the sttaatten— which is why we've got the situation people coming in. situation with people coming in. the situation with people coming in. tne etwt— situation with people coming in. the civil servants— situation with people coming in. the civil servants only being atte— the civil servants only being atte te— the civil servants only being able to process— the civil servants only being able to process so few of these etatns— able to process so few of these claims because _ able to process so few of these claims because don't know what claims because i don't know what tnew-te— claims because i don't know what tnew-te tent— claims because i don't know what tnew-te tetnt .— claims because i don't know what they're doing . nothing is they're doing. nothing is etgantset— they're doing. nothing is organised government organised within government teaase— organised within government. because—petrified organised within government. be doing _ petrified organised within government be doing one petrified organised within government be doing one little petrified organised within government be doing one little thingatrified organised within government be doing one little thing wrong of doing one little thing wrong and—froml

and then being removed from their—whats- and then being removed fromi their—what's great, and then being removed fromi thwas_what's great, and then being removed fromi thwas great-what's great, and then being removed from th 3 it was great to see claire looking things objectively. it was great to see claire lookin�*no things objectively. it was great to see claire lookin�*no fan ngs objectively. it was great to see claire lookin�*no fan ofs objectively. it was great to see claire lookin�*no fan of suellatively. you're no fan of suella braverman, but can actually braverman, but you can actually detach your emotions and maybe dislike for the woman. i don't want to put words in your mouth, but. you're an opponent but. but if you're an opponent of tories, it's impossible of the tories, it's impossible to at things objectively. to look at things objectively. albie daily mirror albie like the daily mirror guy. obviously out. obviously wants the tories out. stephen pound pound he wants the tories he doesn't. tories out. maybe he doesn't. maybe. well, course the maybe. well, of course he's the editor of daily mirror. or editor of the daily mirror. or was his position? the was that his position? the editor? think former editor? i think he's a former former editor of course. he's worked for daily mirror. worked for the daily mirror. he's conservative. but worked for the daily mirror. he' that conservative. but worked for the daily mirror. he' that sortervative. but worked for the daily mirror. he' that sortervknee but worked for the daily mirror. he' that sort erv knee jerkt it's that real sort of knee jerk rcocrron— it's that real sort of knee jerk reaction—has- it's that real sort of knee jerk reaction. has done reaction. somebody has done morning,— reaction. somebody has done something, therefore we must reaction. somebody has done somethem. therefore we must reaction. somebody has done somethem immediately. nust reaction. somebody has done somethem immediately. mi: reaction. somebody has done somethem immediately. m; sack them immediately. we must nong— sack them immediately. we must rang—roro— sack them immediately. we must rang—recs cor-s- sack them immediately. we must hang let's let's just hang them. yeah let's let's just none actually know what's none of us actually know what's happened. for a start we've done is happened. for a start we've done rcinovc— happened. for a start we've done roinovo oon— happened. for a start we've done is.have seen pieces- happened. for a start we've done is.have seen pieces on- : for a start we've done is have seen pieces on social is we have seen pieces on social noon— is we have seen pieces on social noon and— is we have seen pieces on social noon and in— is we have seen pieces on social media and in newspapers . as media and in newspapers. as soon— media and in newspapers. as suella herself— media and in newspapers. as suella herself has not said onyrnrng.— suella herself has not said anything. yeah.— suella herself has not said anything. yeah. so until we know rnooo— anything. yeah. so until we know rnoco racco— anything. yeah. so until we know those facts, actually, we have no nucrnooo— those facts, actually, we have no business to _ those facts, actually, we have no business to know those facts. to no business to know those facts. ro no — no business to know those facts. ro no porrocrry— no business to know those facts. to be perfectly blunt, we can't coco— to be perfectly blunt, we can't take .judgement- to be perfectly blunt, we can't take-judgement. - to be perfectly blunt, we can't take judgement . c take that judgement. i think it gnoc— take that judgement. i think it ones on— take that judgement. i think it gives an insight into how worried suella braverman's opponents are about how good she

is a home secretary because is as a home secretary because they out on this little they want her out on this little speeding don't even speeding thing. i don't even think that. i mean, it's think it's that. i mean, it's just think it's that. i mean, it's no typical— think it's that. i mean, it's just typical politics,- i mean, it's just typical politics, isn't it? no— just typical politics, isn't it? the opposition— just typical politics, isn't it? the opposition will always come rock—oro- the opposition will always come back—are wrong.- back and say, you are wrong. no— back and say, you are wrong. rnro-von-ro- back and say, you are wrong. this you're terrible. this is wrong. you're terrible. rnor-o— this is wrong. you're terrible. rnor-o r-ncr— this is wrong. you're terrible. that's just the— this is wrong. you're terrible. that's just the nature of comics.— that's just the nature of politics. but— that's just the nature of politics. but they shouldn't be asking— politics. but they shouldn't be asking rno— politics. but they shouldn't be asking the prime— politics. but they shouldn't be asking the prime minister at the g7 asking the prime minister at the cr—ongnrry- g7 when they're slightly more rnnononr— g7 when they're slightly morei important—talking important things to be talking ononr. — important things to be talking ononr. -90in9- important things to be talking about. _going on- important things to be talking about. going on with your about. what's going on with your nono— about. what's going on with your home secretary? _ about. what's going on with your home secretary? ” g about. what's going on with your homg�*rz;“:retary? g about. what's going on with your homg�*rz;“:retary? c g about. what's going on with your homg�*rz;“:retary? c c and then conflate it with, oh, he's not backing her because that's said. it doesn't that's what i said. it doesn't don't feel that's the right place asking that place to be asking that question. yeah, completely. and also, frankly, she's got a bigger out biggerjob like sorting out immigration keep immigration and we can't keep doing where we doing this thing where we regurgitate and get of regurgitate and get rid of different people from different jobs, i think jobs, which is why i think we've had is 15 housing had what is it 15 housing ministers , this and that. ministers, this and that. i mean, it's just it's too just much so—and—so did that much because so—and—so did that wrong said that wrong or so—and—so said that wrong or so—and—so said that wrong i'm i'm bored of wrong or i'm just i'm bored of it. to see them run the it. i'd like to see them run the government and get on with running the country. we don't let said, running the country. we don't let—said, elitist. let pandi off. he said, elitist hat,— let pandi off. he said, elitist nor, oon-r— let pandi off. he said, elitist hat, don't let— let pandi off. he said, elitist hat, don't let him off. witnesses - hat, don't let him off. witnesses ciro/q cc hat, don't let him off. witnesses cc gt; hat, don't let him off.- witnesses okay, we'll get one ready. him off. yeah, ready. we'll let him off. yeah, i'll tuck some money into the hat for one. right thank

hat for that one. right thank you. this show is you. well, listen, this show is nothing without you and your views. welcome great views. let's welcome our great british opportunity views. let's welcome our great br be�*i opportunity views. let's welcome our great br be �*i show opportunity views. let's welcome our great br be�*i show and ortunity views. let's welcome our great br be �*i show and tell�*iity views. let's welcome our great br be�*i show and tell us' to be on this show and tell us what think about the topics what they think about the topics we're i've got we're discussing today. i've got three start with we're discussing today. i've got three ford. start with we're discussing today. i've got three ford. she's start with we're discussing today. i've got three ford. she's there 1 with we're discussing today. i've got three ford. she's there in vith julia ford. she's there in middlesbrough . julia talk to me. middlesbrough. julia talk to me. what do you think? that's not juua what do you think? that's not julia ford is that julia ford? it's taylor, but that'll do . it's taylor, but that'll do. riot-s— it's taylor, but that'll do. rnor-o right-— it's taylor, but that'll do. that's right. that's- it's taylor, but that'll do. that's right. that's what i thought was julia taylor. you're not julia ford. julia taylor. talk to me right. you want to know nnor— talk to me right. you want to know no r— talk to me right. you want to know what i think?- q you want to know what i think? well, concoct»— know what i think? well, obviously, it's— know what i think? well, obviously, it's the optics of no— obviously, it's the optics of no rnor-o— obviously, it's the optics of this that's the _ obviously, it's the optics of this that's the problem. c this that's the problem. it just took.— this that's the problem. it just took. ronuy— this that's the problem. it just looks really bad— this that's the problem. it just looks really bad because it shows a lack of accountability to the public, a lack of openness , and also a lack of openness, and also a lack of honesty from suella braverman and sadly , i actually think and sadly, i actually think she'll be gone by the end of the week. when you think about it, it's week. when you think about it, to o— week. when you think about it, to o tiny— week. when you think about it, it's a tiny little— when you think about it, it's a tiny little thing , but it's a tiny little thing, but no— it's a tiny little thing, but no no— it's a tiny little thing, but it's the bad— it's a tiny little thing, but it's the bad optics of it. rnor-c— it's the bad optics of it. rnor-o rno— it's the bad optics of it. that's the problem and should cnouongo— that's the problem and should challenge rishi— that's the problem and should challenge rishi sunak this week oronr— challenge rishi sunak this week about unsustainable net migration— about unsustainable net migration — about unsustainable net migration . r:rir migration. let's do the manifesto. what we're promised . manifesto. what we're promised. so just challenged him there .

so just challenged him there. and it's interesting to me how the and it's interesting to me how to rooko— and it's interesting to me how the leaks come— and it's interesting to me how the leaks come out just now. and it nopponoo— the leaks come out just now. and it nopponoo root— the leaks come out just now. and it happened last year. the next nono— it happened last year. the next home secretary— it happened last year. the next home secretary that we have noooo— home secretary that we have noooc ro— home secretary that we have noon to nono— home secretary that we have needs to hope that haven't got any— needs to hope that haven't got any okororonc— needs to hope that haven't got any skeletons in— needs to hope that haven't got any skeletons in their closet. wort.— any skeletons in their closet. wort. nur— any skeletons in their closet. well, but everyone's- any skeletons in their closet. well, but everyone's got- any skeletons in their closet. well, but everyone's got a skeleton in their closet. i just think it's a bit nonsense for them to try and hold her up for this. you said, she this. and as you said, she she she's actually holding rishi sunak account regard to sunak to account with regard to the numbers, even the migration numbers, even though home though she's actually the home secretary what you, secretary right. what about you, chesney thoughts ? um, good chesney? your thoughts? um, good afternoon, nana it's interesting , actually, i agree with some of the panel , , actually, i agree with some of the panel, danny and claire, and i understand that julia has made good points , but i think that good points, but i think that rishi sunak should support us, should back her and think, let the investigation go through and whatever that then be the result of this investigation . i don't of this investigation. i don't think necessarily— of this investigation. i don't think necessarily she- g i don't think necessarily she should be cockoo— think necessarily she should be sacked because _ think necessarily she should be sacked because of— think necessarily she should be sacked because of this. i think it's sacked because of this. i think its noon— sacked because of this. i think it's been blown out of proportion, to be honest . yeah,

proportion, to be honest. yeah, right. gareth wyn— proportion, to be honest. yeah, right. gareth wyn jones- yeah, right. gareth wyn jones what oronr— right. gareth wyn jones what about you?— right. gareth wyn jones what about you? what's your thoughts 7 about you? what's your thoughts o wort.— about you? what's your thoughts o wort. renn— about you? what's your thoughts ? well, again, you— about you? what's your thoughts ? well, again, you know, disappointing. we ? well, again, you know, disappointing . we know all disappointing. we know all oonrrcrono— disappointing. we know all politicians are— disappointing. we know all politicians are not- r: q we know all politicians are not being honest ont— politicians are not being honest and rotting— politicians are not being honest and telling the— politicians are not being honest and telling the truth. ' r: " and telling the truth. and when you nonr— and telling the truth. and when you near and— and telling the truth. and when you hear and see this, it's very, very disappointing. you know, she's got a high- 9 you know, she's got a high profile know, she's got a hiin profile job know, she's got a high profile on ont— know, she's got a high profile ion and sno— know, she's got a high profile job and she should have just cocon— job and she should have just rokon rnor— job and she should have just taken that fine— job and she should have just taken that fine gone and had it ont— taken that fine gone and had it and nobody— taken that fine gone and had it and nobody would be talking oronr— and nobody would be talking about in — and nobody would be talking about it. you— and nobody would be talking about it. 4:3. " and nobody would be talking about it. /rv1:4 1“ and nobody would be talking about it. v./r1:4 about it. you know, when you try and hide these things, it just blows it up. and i just really oon-r— blows it up. and i just really don't understand— e e. and i just really don't understand why our society is don't understand why our society to in— don't understand why our society to in sncn— don't understand why our society to in oncn o— don't understand why our society is in such a mess.— don't understand why our society is in such a mess. but if you took— is in such a mess. but if you took or— is in such a mess. but if you took or no— is in such a mess. but if you look at the politicians and the poonro— look at the politicians and the poopro rnor— look at the politicians and the people that are— look at the politicians and the people that are running this country.— people that are running this country, they're— people that are running this country, they're the ones that nong— country, they're the ones that are hiding and— country, they're the ones that are hiding and trying to be, you know.— are hiding and trying to be, you know. no— are hiding and trying to be, you know, the whites,— are hiding and trying to be, you know, the whites, the white with poopro— know, the whites, the white with peopleieverybodv_ know, the whites, the white with people everybody the people. everybody uses the rotor. —noo- people. everybody uses the toilet.-has a- people. everybody uses the- toilet.-has a speeding toilet. everybody has a speeding cocon— toilet. everybody has a speeding rrckor. ron— toilet. everybody has a speeding ticket. you know,— toilet. everybody has a speeding ticket. you know, everybody goes forlorn.— ticket. you know, everybody goes forlpint- n-o— ticket. you know, everybody goes forlpint. it's life— ticket. you know, everybody goes forlpint. it's life. _ ticket. you know, everybody goes for pint. it's life . 91:4 for a pint. it's life. just get on witn— for a pint. it's life. just get on with it. pay your fine, do your time, whatever it is, get on with it. and for me, this is going to show what a, you know, real politicians are trying to do. they're trying to hide. rnoy-ro— do. they're trying to hide. they're tfiling—

do. they're trying to hide. they're trying to- r:ri: they're trying to hide. they're trying to be better than inor— they're trying to be better than not ooroog— they're trying to be better than just average people. ' r: just average people. and nobody-s— just average people. and nobody's better . we're all just average people. and nobody's better. we're all in the boat together. you know, let's work together to make sure we can build a better britain . we can build a better britain. absolutely. thank you very much, coron— absolutely. thank you very much, cororn. wyn— absolutely. thank you very much, gareth. wyn jones— absolutely. thank you very much, gareth. wyn jones there in snonoonro— gareth. wyn jones there in snowdonia arnie there in milton noynoo— snowdonia arnie there in milton noynoc .— snowdonia arnie there in milton noynoc . ont— snowdonia arnie there in milton keynes , and also— snowdonia arnie there in milton keynes , and also julie ford. not keynes, and also julie ford. not julia-— keynes, and also julie ford. not rnrro. julia— keynes, and also julie ford. not julia. julia taylor,— keynes, and also julie ford. not julia. julia taylor, julia royror— julia. julia taylor, julia royror .— julia. julia taylor, julia royror . why- julia. julia taylor, julia taylor . why did julia. julia taylor, julia taylor. why did i julia. julia taylor, julia taylor . why did i write that taylor. why did i write that wrong?— taylor. why did i write that wrong? thank— taylor. why did i write that wrong? thank you very much. lovory— wrong? thank you very much. lovory ro— wrong? thank you very much. lovely to talk— wrong? thank you very much. lovely to talk to _ wrong? thank you very much. lovely to talk to all. all lovely to talk to you all. all ngnr. — lovely to talk to you all. all ngnr. non— lovely to talk to you all. all right. now it's— lovely to talk to you all. all right. now it's time for supplements- right. now it's time for supplements sunday my supplements sunday where my panel— panel and i discuss some of the nono-rnor— panel and i discuss some of the news _that caught- panel and i discuss some of the news that caught their news stories that caught their oyo. — news stories that caught their oyo. .tornoo— news stories that caught their eye. joined broadcaster eye. i'm joined by broadcaster ont— eye. i'm joined by broadcasteri ant—ant and journalist danny kelly and rornor— and journalist danny kelly and former conservative councillor crorro— former conservative councillor coio-roronc- claire pearsall. right. let's oron— start with danny supplement, wnicn— start with danny supplement,i which—schofield which is about phillip schofield nong— which is about phillip schofield norng—nornorl being spotted with his mother rouonrne— being spotted with his mother following resignation from following his resignation from rrv. — following his resignation from rrv. _tn— following his resignation from itv. _is about- following his resignation from itv. _is about he'si itv. this story is about he's gone away a couple of weeks gone away for a couple of weeks with which i think is with his mum, which i think is adorable his mum's adorable because his mum's probably her probably at least in her 80s, probably at least in her 80s, probably reckons he's probably 90. he reckons he's been hung to dry by itv . is been hung out to dry by itv. is that he says? yeah, but that what he says? yeah, but what i would like to, to, to try and conflate here his holiday and conflate here is his holiday destination day like destination. now, on a day like today with the beating down today with the sun beating down all across the united kingdom, there is no finer place. would there is no finer place. i would rather go to saint ives in

cornwall in the middle of the summer, having pint on summer, having a pint on a rooftop overlooking the rooftop terrace overlooking the beautiful bay with the sea lions and the seagulls and the turquoise crystal clear water. and there is i'd rather do that than queue up for an invasive security check at birmingham airport. a long haul flight just to experience beating heat with turquoise water. turquoise water and lager. you get it in cornwall? you can do? yeah for as cornwall? you can do? yeah for ac tong— cornwall? you can do? yeah for as long oc— cornwall? you can do? yeah for as long as no— cornwall? you can do? yeah for as long as it's just— cornwall? you can do? yeah for as long as it's just a— , you can do? yeah for as long as it's just a four nonr. — as long as it's just a four nonr. ao— as long as it's just a four hour. as long— as long as it's just a four hour. as long as the water cornonproc— hour. as long as the water companies haven't stuck a load of companies haven't stuck a load or cowoog— companies haven't stuck a load or cowoog noor— companies haven't stuck a load of sewage near nearby. all ngnr. — of sewage near nearby. all ngnr. roronc— of sewage near nearby. all right. right. yeah. yeah, i hear .y..t._ right. right. yeah. yeah, i hear on r— right. right. yeah. yeah, i hear . yeah. i-this_ right. right. yeah. yeah, i hear . yeah. i this country to . yeah. i love this country to go on— . yeah. i love this country to go on honey.— . yeah. i love this country to go on holiday. don't really. go on holiday. i don't really. noconoo— go on holiday. i don't really. noconco r— go on holiday. i don't really. because i went— go on holiday. i don't really. because i went to a boarding ocnoor— because i went to a boarding ccnoor ont— because i went to a boarding ccnoor and r.— because i went to a boarding school and i. you— because i went to a boarding school and i. you know, we used to fly— school and i. you know, we used to try-r— school and i. you know, we used to try-r noto— school and i. you know, we used to fly-i hate going- school and i. you know, we used to fly i hate going on to fly a lot. i hate going on ntonoo— to fly a lot. i hate going on pronoo now.— to fly a lot. i hate going on planes now. loved when planes now. i loved it when i yonngon— planes now. i loved it when i yonngon-r- planes now. i loved it when i was younger, i can't be was younger, but i can't be nornoroo.— was younger, but i can't be bothered. i'd— was younger, but i can't be bothered. i'd rather just. bothered. i'd ratherjust. i'll inor— bothered. i'd ratherjust. i'll trot-sncn- bothered. i'd ratherjust. i'll just-short car- bothered. i'd ratherjust. i'll just short car journey just go on a short car journey or just go on a short carjourney orlrong— just go on a short carjourney orllong cor— just go on a short carjourney or long carjourney somewhere just go on a short carjourney or the ng carjourney somewhere just go on a short carjourney or the coast,journey somewhere just go on a short carjourney or the coast, somewhereiewhere just go on a short carjourney or the coast, somewhereievithea on the coast, somewhere in the uncoo— on the coast, somewhere in the united kingdom.— on the coast, somewhere in the united kingdom. the united kingdom. and the rroncpon— united kingdom. and the transport relax, transport and just relax, cropping— stopping off at 50 different nororo—gor- stopping off at 50 different hotels_ get to l stopping off at 50 different- hotels_get to yours. hotels before they get to yours. and— hotels before they get to yours. and-always— hotels before they get to yours. and - always - last- hotels before they get to yours. and - always - last hotel. and it's always the last hotel you've always booked it in the last yeah. claire pearsall

last one. yeah. claire pearsall what's have you got? what's the what have you got? there was the most amazing story of there was the most amazing story or—rnroo- there was the most amazing story or—rnroo ooorol of a couple who live three doors anon—ornr— of a couple who live three doors anon—ornorlrnoyi apart from each other, and they novo— apart from each other, and they novo coro— apart from each other, and they have said that— apart from each other, and they have said that this— apart from each other, and they have said that this is the key to non— have said that this is the key to non oo— have said that this is the key to their 30 year— have said that this is the key to their 30 year relationship is not— to their 30 year relationship is not rnoy— to their 30 year relationship is that they don't— to their 30 year relationship is that they don't live together ont— that they don't live together and rnoy— that they don't live together and rnoy gor— that they don't live together and they get on— that they don't live together and they get on with each other ont— and they get on with each other and rnoy— and they get on with each other and no con— and they get on with each other and they sort of— and they get on with each other and they sort of pop round and oocn— and they sort of pop round and see each other— and they sort of pop round and see each other and it just makes me see each other and it just makes no rongn. — see each other and it just makes no rongn. why— see each other and it just makes me laugh. why you— see each other and it just makes me laugh. why you know, i don't rnrnk— me laugh. why you know, i don't rnrnk tro— me laugh. why you know, i don't think it's wrong— me laugh. why you know, i don't think it's wrong .— me laugh. why you know, i don't think it's wrong . it's not for think it's wrong. it's not for no— think it's wrong. it's not for no ont— think it's wrong. it's not for no and r— think it's wrong. it's not for me and i and— think it's wrong. it's not for me and i and i— think it's wrong. it's not for me and i and i think it's oncornrory— me and i and i think it's absolutely lovely that you've got sno. — absolutely lovely that you've got sno. nno — absolutely lovely that you've got sue, who is— absolutely lovely that you've got sue, who is 72 and a porno.— got sue, who is 72 and a partner, john,— got sue, who is 72 and a partner, john, who is 83, and no— partner, john, who is 83, and no to— partner, john, who is 83, and no to wnor— partner, john, who is 83, and this is what keeps their relationship— this is what keeps their relationship alive, is that they novo — relationship alive, is that they novo rnorr— relationship alive, is that they have their own— relationship alive, is that they have their own space, their own bedr— have their own space, their own not. ont— have their own space, their own not. and rnoy— have their own space, their own bed, and they see— have their own space, their own bed, and they see each other wnon— bed, and they see each other wnon rnoy— bed, and they see each other when they want— bed, and they see each other when they want to. i love that. rnor-o— when they want to. i love that. rnor-o oxocrry— when they want to. i love that. that's exactly right.— when they want to. that's exactly right. see, i conron-r— that's exactly right. see, i conron-r r— that's exactly right. see, i couldn't i couldn't love that. i couldn't i couldn't love that. rrnrnn— couldn't i couldn't love that. i think that's— couldn't i couldn't love that. i think that's perfect- couldn't i couldn't love that. i think that's perfect because then when know, you don't then when you know, you don't i don't know, i might don't you know, like i might have day, chuck my have a non—work day, chuck my wig might want to look wig out. i might want to look out, whatever. and out, you know, or whatever. and i like that idea of just being able on your own. able to chill out on your own. and a couple of doors down and then a couple of doors down if want to go meet each if you want to go and meet each other and then get the best other and then you get the best version them, can see. i

version of them, i can see. i can that. and if it version of them, i can see. i can .that. and if it worksj can see that. and if it works for— can see that. and if it works for non.— can see that. and if it works for them, absolutely. good for them, then absolutely. good ruck. — for them, then absolutely. good ruck. _w— for them, then absolutely. good luck.-my husband- for them, then absolutely. good luck. my husband would luck. i think my husband would contor— luck. i think my husband would cotton-borne— luck. i think my husband would suffer-being able- luck. i think my husband would suffer being able to suffer with not being able to noo-noonrne— suffer with not being able toi use .washing-the use the washing machine, the oven. he find anything, he'll roar-n— oven. he find anything, he'll roorn— - oven. he find anything, he'll roorn— nignrci oven. he find anything, he'll. learn._ right? so learn. he'll be bad. right? so my then about my supplement then it's about a brewery decided change brewery that's decided to change the of its beers the name of one of its beers over racism as written over racism concerns as written in the express, the name of an award winning beer has been changed brewery following changed by a brewery following customers it was customers complaints that it was racist. moongaze white face beer has been sold in pubs across the country for the past three years and the company has received calls from pub landlords in recent complaining that recent months complaining that customers that the name customers had said that the name was well , racist . i customers had said that the name was well, racist. i mean, customers had said that the name was well , racist . i mean, look, was well, racist. i mean, look, what do you think of this ? i'd what do you think of this? i'd like a landlord to grow a- like a landlord to grow a big porr— like a landlord to grow a big non ont— like a landlord to grow a big pan and n— like a landlord to grow a big pair and if someone comes in and coyo— pair and if someone comes in and says .— pair and if someone comes in and says. r— pair and if someone comes in and says. r con-r— pair and if someone comes in and says , i can't believe— pair and if someone comes in and says , i can't believe i was says, i can't believe i was oronr— says, i can't believe i was about ro— says, i can't believe i was about to order— says, i can't believe i was about to order a- says, i can't believe i was about to order a pint of lager, nur— about to order a pint of lager, our r— about to order a pint of lager, our r know— about to order a pint of lager, but i know it's— about to order a pint of lager, but i know it's called white roco. — but i know it's called white roco. tn— but i know it's called white roco. r-n-r-o- but i know it's called white face. i'm-i'd say- but i know it's called white face. i'm i'd say get out of face. i'm now i'd say get out of my— face. i'm now i'd say get out of my pup,— face. i'm now i'd say get out of my out. gor— face. i'm now i'd say get out of my out. got our— face. i'm now i'd say get out of my pub, get out the eastenders cnorocror.— my pub, get out the eastenders cnorocror. n— my pub, get out the eastenders character. if it— my pub, get out the eastenders character. if it was— my pub, get out the eastenders character. if it was called brock— character. if it was called black face,— character. if it was called black face, get- character. if it was called black face, get out of my pub. i black face, get out of my pub. r oon-r— black face, get out of my pub. r oon-r oon— black face, get out of my pub. i don't even care— black face, get out of my pub. i don't even care-all- i don't even care about all these think that's these names. i just think that's these names. i just think that's the of what it is. it the name of what it is. it doesn't really anything . doesn't really mean anything. some find some of

some people might find some of those offensive, but then those things offensive, but then it's a white face offensive. i mean, i just don't get it. oh, it's it goes back to your- it's it goes back to your nonorogno— it's it goes back to your monologue at- it's it goes back to your monologue at the beginning with was monologue at the beginning with noolnnrro— monologue at the beginning with waslwhite gaze?— monologue at the beginning with was white gaze? maybe maybe was it white gaze? maybe maybe not— was it white gaze? maybe maybe not ononro— was it white gaze? maybe maybe that should be— was it white gaze? maybe maybe that should be the— was it white gaze? maybe maybe that should be the next. we're incr— that should be the next. we're trot-inro— that should be the next. we're trot-into rno- that should be the next. we're just-into the my- that should be the next. we're just into the my minutia just getting into the my minutia of just getting into the my minutia or no— just getting into the my minutia or no language— just getting into the my minutia of the language not of the language and not understanding what that's about. if understanding what that's about. n tro— understanding what that's about. n on oronr— understanding what that's about. if it's about something— understanding what that's about. if it's about something that's- if it's about something that's racist, be racist, then there could be something it. i just something to it. but i just don't. got to stop this. don't. we've got to stop this. we've stop this. we've we've got to stop this. we've got stop this. oh right. got to stop this. oh right. well, on today's show, i've been asking, is it time to stop arming ukraine? according to our twitter poll , 54.2% of you say twitter poll, 54.2% of you say yes . 45.8 of you say no . i've yes. 45.8 of you say no. i've got to say a huge thank you to my fabulous panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny, thank you very much. thank you. will you be back next week? yes, that's what you think? thank councillor. think? no, thank councillor. conservative i'm conservative councillor. i'm joking . former conservative joking. former conservative councillor pearsall councillor claire pearsall clare. thank you so much. thank you for having me. it's you so much for having me. it's a pleasure. you very much you so much for having me. it's aright.ire. you very much you so much for having me. it's aright.ire. as you very much you so much for having me. it's aright.ire. as ever, u very much you so much for having me. it's aright.ire. as ever, avery much you so much for having me. it's aright.ire. as ever, a huge nuch . right. and as ever, a huge thank you to you at home for your company. it's been a

pleasure forward pleasure as ever. i look forward to week. on to seeing you next week. on saturday same time, saturday at 3:00. same time, same a wonderful same place. have a wonderful week. i'll see you then and enjoy the fabulous weather because apparently it's to because apparently it's going to because apparently it's going to be scorchio . hello there. be scorchio. hello there. norcono— be scorchio. hello there. welcome to— be scorchio. hello there. welcome to your- ft." hello there. welcome to your gb news weather rorocoor— welcome to your gb news weather rorocoor tron — welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the _ welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the met office. in — forecast from the met office. in _onou.— forecast from the met office. i'm _snell.-ahead i'm craig snell. looking ahead to i'm craig snell. looking ahead ro-onooo— i'm craig snell. looking ahead ro-onooo .- i'm craig snell. looking ahead to-ahead , most- i'm craig snell. looking ahead. to-ahead , most-us, to the week ahead, most of us, no— to the week ahead, most of us, no going— to the week ahead, most of us, it's going-mainly- to the week ahead, most of us, it's going mainly dry and it's going to be mainly dry and nncotttoct— it's going to be mainly dry and unsettled-be- it's going to be mainly dry and unsettled.-be a- it's going to be mainly dry and unsettled. be a little unsettled. there'll be a little bit unsettled. there'll be a little nrrlrorn— unsettled. there'll be a little bit-rain-time- unsettled. there'll be a little bit-rain-time to- unsettled. there'll be a little bit rain time to time bit of rain from time to time across-north- bit of rain from time to time across-north and- bit of rain from time to time across north and that's across the far north and that's roouy—ono really how we're going to end the weekend. _ really how we're going to end the weekend. this cold the weekend. we have this cold nonr— the weekend. we have this cold fronocrooor-— the weekend. we have this cold front across scotland front situated across scotland ont— front situated across scotland ant-roron- front situated across scotland and-ireland, so- front situated across scotland and ireland, so that'll and northern ireland, so that'll be and northern ireland, so that'll bosom-— and northern ireland, so that'll no-oono-onol be a focus of some cloud and ronr— be a focus of some cloud and rain-ro— be a focus of some cloud and rorn-ro rno— be a focus of some cloud and rain-to the south- be a focus of some cloud and rain to the south of it, rain tonight to the south of it, nign— rain tonight to the south of it, high proccnro— rain tonight to the south of it, high pressure-in- rain tonight to the south of it, high pressure in and high pressure building in and nor— high pressure building in and nor crgnc— high pressure building in and not crenc or— high pressure building in and that signs of things to come as high pressure building in and tha go gns of things to come as high pressure building in and tha go throughiings to come as high pressure building in and tha go through thes to come as high pressure building in and tha go through the week)me as high pressure building in and tha go through the week ahead. so we go through the week ahead. so you cn— we go through the week ahead. so you con-rno— we go through the week ahead. so you can-the cloud— we go through the week ahead. so you can the cloud and rain you can see the cloud and rain ocrocc-rorono- across northern ireland and scorrono.— across northern ireland and scotland. mainly scotland. the rain mainly rocnccoo— scotland. the rain mainly focussed across and focussed across eastern and connot— focussed across eastern and central scotland _ focussed across eastern and central scotland as we go rnronen— central scotland as we go rnronen rno— central scotland as we go through the course of night. through the course of the night. rnorono—rorgory- through the course of the night. england largely dry, england and wales largely dry, cron— england and wales largely dry, clear—towards. clear to the skies out towards rno— clear to the skies out towards to noct— clear to the skies out towards to nocr .— clear to the skies out towards to nocr . so— clear to the skies out towards the west . so here— clear to the skies out towards the west . so here actually the west. so here actually turning— the west. so here actually rnrnrng outco— the west. so here actually turning quite chilly once again for-rrno— turning quite chilly once again for-rrno or— turning quite chilly once again for-time of year- turning quite chilly once again for-time of year ,- turning quite chilly once again for time of year , some low for the time of year, some low crout— for the time of year, some low crono nir— for the time of year, some low cloud will just— for the time of year, some low cloud will just move in across some eastern coast as we go rnrongn— some eastern coast as we go rnronon rno— some eastern coast as we go through the course of the night. and— through the course of the night. ant-no— through the course of the night. and-no runo— through the course of the night. and-be quite slow- through the course of the night. and be quite slow to and that'll be quite slow to con— and that'll be quite slow to con oc— and that'll be quite slow to clear as we through monday.

clear as we go through monday. so clear as we go through monday. so—cnncnrno- clear as we go through monday. so sunshine monday so the best of sunshine monday morning—towards. morning will be over towards the oconr— morning will be over towards the nocrorn-rno— morning will be over towards the western _the .still- western half of the uk. still crout— western half of the uk. still some cloud and— western half of the uk. still some cloud and outbreaks of rain tron— some cloud and outbreaks of rain tron-noornor— some cloud and outbreaks of rain from-weather front- some cloud and outbreaks of rain from weather front across from that weather front across ocor— from that weather front across eastern scotland.— from that weather front across eastern scotland. but as we go rnrongn—or- through the course of the orrornoon— through the course of the- afternoon, - improve afternoon, conditions improve in the afternoon, conditions improve in rno-rorc— afternoon, conditions improve in the-lots-seeing. the east. so lots of us seeing cono—ou- the east. so lots of us seeing some _ all the l the east. so lots of us seeing. some—all the time some sunshine, but all the time , some sunshine, but all the time . noct— some sunshine, but all the time . nocr or— some sunshine, but all the time . nocr of nor— some sunshine, but all the time , best of that will— some sunshine, but all the time , best of that will be over ronoroc— , best of that will be over towards-where l , best of that will be over. towards-where we'll , best of that will be over- towards-where we'll see towards the west where we'll see ronporornroc— towards the west where we'll see temperatures reaching around 23, ooccrnry— temperatures reaching around 23, poccrnry oon— temperatures reaching around 23, possibly even degrees in to possibly even 24 degrees in to the possibly even 24 degrees into to evening-— possibly even 24 degrees in to the evening. there could be a rick— the evening. there could be a nick or— the evening. there could be a nick or c— the evening. there could be a nick or c ron— the evening. there could be a risk of a few showers across the ronnrnoc— risk of a few showers across the ronnrnoc nur— risk of a few showers across the pennines, but they— risk of a few showers across the pennines, but they will quickly orcoppoor— pennines, but they will quickly orcoppoorlno— pennines, but they will quickly disappear-we go— pennines, but they will quickly disappear we go through the disappear as we go through the course of the— disappear as we go through the course of the night. and for noct— course of the night. and for nocr-cron— course of the night. and for- most-start-morning most as we start tuesday morning . rr-c— most as we start tuesday morning . rr-c going— most as we start tuesday morning . rr-c gorng ro— most as we start tuesday morning . rr-c going to no— most as we start tuesday morning , it's going to be fairly clear our— , it's going to be fairly clear our-nur— , it's going to be fairly clear out-but quite- out there. but quite chilly ogon— out there. but quite chilly ogorn-rrno- out there. but quite chilly again time year. again for the time of year. noyno— again for the time of year. noyno rno— again for the time of year. maybe the - and i again for the time of year.. maybe the-and fog maybe the odd mist and fog norcn— maybe the odd mist and fog gorcn nur— maybe the odd mist and fog patch, but for— maybe the odd mist and fog patch, but for towns and patch, but for most towns and crrroc— patch, but for most towns and cities, probably— patch, but for most towns and cities, probably not falling nncn— cities, probably not falling much lower— cities, probably not falling much lower than 8 to degrees. much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. but-countryside,- but in the countryside, conornry— but in the countryside, certainly-bit. but in the countryside,- certainly-bit lower certainly a little bit lower rnon— certainly a little bit lower than-overall- certainly a little bit lower than-overall ,- certainly a little bit lower- than-overall , tuesday than this. but overall, tuesday we than this. but overall, tuesday no cron— than this. but overall, tuesday no cron on— than this. but overall, tuesday we start off on— than this. but overall, tuesday we start off on another fairly nngnr— we start off on another fairly nngnr ong— we start off on another fairly bright and sunny note, some crout— bright and sunny note, some crono ong— bright and sunny note, some cloud and some— bright and sunny note, some cloud and some outbreaks of rain just cloud and some outbreaks of rain tncr moving— cloud and some outbreaks of rain tncr moving in— cloud and some outbreaks of rain just moving in across the very far just moving in across the very for nonn— just moving in across the very for nonn or— just moving in across the very far north of scotland at times during— far north of scotland at times during rno— far north of scotland at times during the course— far north of scotland at times during the course of tuesday. nur— during the course of tuesday. on for— during the course of tuesday. on for noct— during the course of tuesday. but for most, another lovely sunny— but for most, another lovely cnnny—gnrro but for most, another lovely- cnnny—gnrro sunny day and feeling quite warm in sunny day and feeling quite warm rn-cnncnrno— sunny day and feeling quite warm rn-cnncnrno .— sunny day and feeling quite warm in-sunshine . but— sunny day and feeling quite warm in sunshine . but again, in the sunshine. but once again, not—

in the sunshine. but once again, that continues— in the sunshine. but once again, that continues on— in the sunshine. but once again, that continues on wednesday and rnnrcooy. — that continues on wednesday and rnnrcooy. plenty— that continues on wednesday and thursday. plenty of— that continues on wednesday and thursday. plenty of sunshine around— thursday. plenty of sunshine oronno ong— thursday. plenty of sunshine around and in— thursday. plenty of sunshine around and in the sunshine , around and in the sunshine, rooting— around and in the sunshine, roonng nonn— around and in the sunshine, feeling warm, potentially up to the feeling warm, potentially up to rno-ny— feeling warm, potentially up to the-by thursday- feeling warm, potentially up to the-by thursday .-

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