them five became the first concert lviv black mp. just because you have a- ff , , f m3“ just because you have a different skin— because you have a different skin ooouu— because you have a different skin colour, you're still a humon— skin colour, you're still a human being.- skin colour, you're still a human being. you still have the same needs, desires, wants, attributes,— same needs, desires, wants, attributes, abilities . so attributes, abilities. so i think— attributes, abilities. so i think that— attributes, abilities. so i think that was largely what drove— think that was largely what orovo mo— think that was largely what drove me o— think that was largely what drove me to the conservatives , drove me to the conservatives, or oo— drove me to the conservatives, or at least— drove me to the conservatives, or at least they're— drove me to the conservatives, or at least they're not going to treat— or at least they're not going to treat me— or at least they're not going to treat me noo— or at least they're not going to treat me like some kind of token. — treat me like some kind of token. wo— treat me like some kind of token. it's mental- treat me like some kind of token. c joining; token. it's mental health awareness week. labour's andrew gwynne opens up about his depression. this gwynne opens up about his depression . this cloud descends depression. this cloud descends on you— depression. this cloud descends on you ano— depression. this cloud descends ou you and you— depression. this cloud descends on you and you can't— : this cloud descends on you and you can't get your mino—

on you and you can't get your mind sought— on you and you can't get your mind straight about anything . mind straight about anything. saying— mind straight about anything. saying everything is as even tumou— saying everything is as even trivial. things— saying everything is as even trivial. things just seem insurmountable and you want to gue— insurmountable and you want to give up.— insurmountable and you want to give up. — insurmountable and you want to give up. zoie— insurmountable and you want to give up. �*qi m3“ give up. 2019 conservative mp elliot colburn . this guy came up elliot colburn. this guy came up to elliot colburn. this guy came up io me— elliot colburn. this guy came up io me one— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said i— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said i was— cc this guy came up to me and said i was going to voie— to me and said i was going to voie foi— to me and said i was going to voie iov vou— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i found out iiioi— vote for you, but i found out iiioi voue— vote for you, but i found out iiioi voue gov.— vote for you, but i found out that you're gay. that's oiegueiiug— that you're gay. that's oiegueiiug .- that you're gay. that's disgusting . i'm voting for the disgusting. i'm voting for the iuevii— disgusting. i'm voting for the ovevii ioviv— disgusting. i'm voting for the ovevii ioviv . — disgusting. i'm voting for the brexit party . o" brexit party. oh, that's after your news headlines . brexit party. oh, that's after your news headlines. 6:01. i'm ray addison— your news headlines. 6:01. i'm ray aooieou in— your news headlines. 6:01. i'm ray addison in the— : 6:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom our top ray addison in the newsroom our iog eiovv. — ray addison in the newsroom our top story. opposition leaders are top story. opposition leaders eoiiiug— top story. opposition leaders are calling for— top story. opposition leaders are calling for an investigation oiiev— are calling for an investigation oiiev ii— are calling for an investigation after it emerged— are calling for an investigation after it emerged that the home seeveiovv— after it emerged that the home secretary tried— after it emerged that the home secretary tried to _ after it emerged that the home secretary tried to avoid iueuuiug— secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her driving iieeuee— incurring points on her driving iieeuee foi— incurring points on her driving licence for speeding last summer. sunday times reports iiioi— summer. sunday times reports iiioi sueiio— summer. sunday times reports that suella braverman asked a eivii— that suella braverman asked a eivii eevvoui— that suella braverman asked a civil servant to _ that suella braverman asked a civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 civil servant to organise a 1 to i driving— civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course iueieoi.— 1 driving awareness course instead. shadow home secretary vveiie— instead. shadow home secretary vveiie cooper— instead. shadow home secretary yvette cooper described the oiiegoiioue— yvette cooper described the allegations as— yvette cooper described the allegations as shocking, saying ms braverman—

allegations as shocking, saying ms braverman whose role is to uoiioii— ms braverman whose role is to ugiioii iiie— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . _ ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . i— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . i:i:::i c ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . cizi" c uphold the law. i don't know the full details of what has happened , nor have i spoken to happened, nor have i spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see firsthand what i've been doing over the last day or so, but i understand that she's expressed regret for speeding, accepted the penalty and paid the fine . prime minister there. the fine. prime minister there. vveii— the fine. prime minister there. vveii ou— the fine. prime minister there. vveii on me— the fine. prime minister there. well on the final— �*" prime minister there. well on the final day of the g7 summi— well on the final day of the g7 eummii in— well on the final day of the g7 summit in japan,— well on the final day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders hove— summit in japan, world leaders have sei— summit in japan, world leaders have eei oui— summit in japan, world leaders have set out their— summit in japan, world leaders have set out their plans to we — have set out their plans to tackle aggression from china. iiie— tackle aggression from china. iiie prime— tackle aggression from china. the prime minister rishi sunak eoii— the prime minister rishi sunak eoio oeiiiug— the prime minister rishi sunak said beijing poses the biggest eioiieuge— said beijing poses the biggest eioiieuge io— said beijing poses the biggest challenge to global security, being— challenge to global security, being me— challenge to global security, ieiug iiie ouiv— challenge to global security, being the only country with both the being the only country with both iiie ueoue— being the only country with both the means and— being the only country with both the means and intent to reshape the means and intent to reshape iiie vovii— the means and intent to reshape the world order.— the means and intent to reshape the world order. us— the means and intent to reshape the world order. us president joe eigen— the world order. us president joe oiueu eave— the world order. us president joe biden says there's complete veeovei— joe biden says there's complete veeovei oni— joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity— joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity within the g7 to resolve and unity within the g7 io eeoiigee— resolve and unity within the g7 to recognise china— resolve and unity within the g7 to recognise china and reduce oive— to recognise china and reduce iiie visi— to recognise china and reduce iiie viev io— to recognise china and reduce the risk to international eeeuviiv. — the risk to international security. we're not looking to ieeouoie— security. we're not looking to decouple from _ security. we're not looking to decouple from china . �*fvi�*izi; ”it; decouple from china. we're iooiiug— decouple from china. we're iooiiug io— decouple from china. we're looking to de—risk and diversify our relationship with china. that means taking steps to diversify our supply chains and

we're not. so we're not dependent on any one country for necessary products. it means resisting economic coercion together either and countering harmful practises that hurt our workers. it means protecting a narrow set of advanced technologies critical for our national security . well, the national security. well, the gieeiieui— national security. well, the gieeioeui oi— national security. well, the president of ukraine- f ” 9 well, the president of ukraine has addressed— president of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7 addressed world leaders at the oi mg,— addressed world leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident iiioi— g7 summit, saying he's confident iiioi kiev-e— g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peace— g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peace formula has the that kiev's peace formula has iiie goieuiioi— that kiev's peace formula has the potential to— that kiev's peace formula has the potential to prevent future wars. he's thanked, thanked vveeiem— wars. he's thanked, thanked western allies— wars. he's thanked, thanked western allies for their ongoing support— western allies for their ongoing support, including receiving american— support, including receiving american made— support, including receiving american made f—16 jets and the ivoiuiug— american made f—16 jets and the ivoiuiug oi— american made f—16 jets and the training of ukrainian pilots. acos— training of ukrainian pilots. acas volodymyr zelenskyy also iiemieeei— acas volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims— acas volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims that the ieueeiou— dismissed claims that the russian mercenary wagner group has russian mercenary wagner group hoe eooiuvei— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the city of bakhmut . i— has captured the city of bakhmut . i connoi— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with you- has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with you the tactical views of our military, of our warriors, but as of today , we can see that the country , , we can see that the country, which dozens times is bigger than we are , cannot occupy us, than we are, cannot occupy us, cannot win in this war. now, our

people are accomplishing a very important mission . they are now important mission. they are now in bakhmut . i will not share in bakhmut. i will not share where exactly , but it witnesses where exactly, but it witnesses that bakhmut is not occupied by russian federation. as of today , there are no 2 or 3 interpretations of those words . interpretations of those words. the environment secretary says scrapping— the environment secretary says eeioggiug eu— the environment secretary says scrapping eu laws— the environment secretary says scrapping eu laws would boost the scrapping eu laws would boost iiie uv-e— scrapping eu laws would boost the uk's domestic wine industry by the uk's domestic wine industry iv iieo— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million.— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. a— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. a number of ovueeeie— by £180 million. a number of brussels regulations that were veioiuei— brussels regulations that were retained after— brussels regulations that were retained after brexit will be dropped— retained after brexit will be dropped oe— retained after brexit will be dropped as part of the retained eu dropped as part of the retained iu iovv— dropped as part of the retained iu iov iii,— dropped as part of the retained eu law bill, including some that impou— eu law bill, including some that imooei oive— eu law bill, including some that impact the wine— eu law bill, including some that impact the wine sector. environment- impact the wine sector. environment secretary therese coiiev— environment secretary therese coiiev ioii — environment secretary therese coiiev ioii ue— environment secretary therese coffey told us it— environment secretary therese coffey told us it will reduce unnecessary red— coffey told us it will reduce unnecessary red tape and allow the unnecessary red tape and allow iiie iuiueivv— unnecessary red tape and allow iiie iuiueivv io— unnecessary red tape and allow the industry to thrive . well, the industry to thrive. well, iiuee— the industry to thrive. well, iiuee geogie— the industry to thrive. well, three people have been taken to ioeoiioi— three people have been taken to iioepiioi oiiev— three people have been taken to hospital after a— three people have been taken to hospital after a double decker ous— hospital after a double decker iue iii— hospital after a double decker iue iii o— hospital after a double decker bus hit a bridge— hospital after a double decker bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the veiiieie— bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the veiieie iii— bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the vehicle hit the— bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the vehicle hit the underside of a voiivov— vehicle hit the underside of a ioiivvov iuioge— vehicle hit the underside of a railway bridge in— vehicle hit the underside of a railway bridge in tradeston this morning,— railway bridge in tradeston this morning, sharing— railway bridge in tradeston this morning, sharing its roof off one— morning, sharing its roof off and becoming— morning, sharing its roof off and becoming wedged underneath. ioiiee— and becoming wedged underneath.

police temporarily— and becoming wedged underneath. police temporarily closed a uumei— police temporarily closed a nurnern or— police temporarily closed a number of roads while passengers ireoiei— number of roads while passengers were treated at— number of roads while passengers were treated at the— number of roads while passengers were treated at the scene. all ruine— were treated at the scene. all iroine vvere— were treated at the scene. all trains were stopped and engneer— trains were stopped and engineers from network rail seoiioni— engineers from network rail scotland were— engineers from network rail scotland were also brought in to oneev— scotland were also brought in to oneev inor— scotland were also brought in to check that the _ scotland were also brought in to check that the bridge was safe to check that the bridge was safe ro eoenn— check that the bridge was safe ro eoenn .— check that the bridge was safe to reopen . alison— check that the bridge was safe to reopen . alison hammond and to reopen. alison hammond and oernoi— to reopen. alison hammond and oernoi o-ieorv— to reopen. alison hammond and dermot o'leary will fill in as inierin — dermot o'leary will fill in as interim hosts— dermot o'leary will fill in as interim hosts on— dermot o'leary will fill in as interim hosts on this morning roiioving— interim hosts on this morning following phillip schofield's negonure— following phillip schofield's negonure .— following phillip schofield's departure . itv_ following phillip schofield's departure . itv has confirmed he departure. itv has confirmed he won-r— departure. itv has confirmed he vvon-i ne— departure. itv has confirmed he won't be coming— departure. itv has confirmed he won't be coming back despite two decades— won't be coming back despite two decades or— won't be coming back despite two decades or ine— won't be coming back despite two decades at the helm with co—host noiiv— decades at the helm with co—host noiiv vviiiougnnv— decades at the helm with co—host holly willoughby taking leave nevi— holly willoughby taking leave nevi veer. — holly willoughby taking leave next week. mr— holly willoughby taking leave next week. mr schofield posted on eoeioi— next week. mr schofield posted on social media— next week. mr schofield posted on social media saying he wanted to on social media saying he wanted ro nroieer— on social media saying he wanted ro groieei ine— on social media saying he wanted to protect the show. _ on social media saying he wanted to protect the show. he loved . to protect the show. he loved. ire— to protect the show. he loved. ir-e oner— to protect the show. he loved. ir-e oiier nie— to protect the show. he loved. it's after his brother, timothy senoiieii— it's after his brother, timothy schofield was— it's after his brother, timothy schofield was jailed for 12 veore— schofield was jailed for 12 veore oner— schofield was jailed for 12 years after being convicted of onio— years after being convicted of eniii eer— years after being convicted of child sex offences . the prince child sex offences. the prince of vvoiee— child sex offences. the prince of vvoiee noe— child sex offences. the prince of wales has joined royal navy eurnoirirere— of wales has joined royal navy submariners preparing to take on a transatlantic— submariners preparing to take on a transatlantic rowing challenge . ine— a transatlantic rowing challenge . ine nuke— a transatlantic rowing challenge . ine duke of— a transatlantic rowing challenge . the duke of cambridge released a . the duke of cambridge released oviieo— . the duke of cambridge released o video or— . the duke of cambridge released oviieo or nie— . the duke of cambridge released a video of his visit— . the duke of cambridge released a video of his visit to a ruining— a video of his visit to a training session organised by the training session organised by rne nuis— training session organised by the hms audacious crew in 2019. they— the hms audacious crew in 2019. inev regen— the hms audacious crew in 2019. they began raising— the hms audacious crew in 2019. they began raising money to euggon— they began raising money to euggon ine— they began raising money to support the mental health of neu— support the mental health of their colleagues— support the mental health of their colleagues . so far,

their colleagues. so far, inev-ve — their colleagues. so far, they've raised- their colleagues. so far, they've raised over £110,000 as on iv— they've raised over £110,000 as we're on tv online_ they've raised over £110,000 as we're on tv online and on dab+ regio— we're on tv online and on dab+ roiio oni— we're on tv online and on dab+ radio and on— we're on tv online and on dab+ radio and on tune— we're on tv online and on dab+ radio and on tune in— we're on tv online and on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb radio and on tune in to this is on neve— radio and on tune in to this is gb news. time— radio and on tune in to this is gb news. time now for gloria iieere— gb news. time now for gloria iieeie .— meets. adam iieeie- adam afriyie. iieeie— adam afriyie. you were elected as a conservative mp in 2005. you were the first black conservative mp. how was the journey to get there? yeah , journey to get there? yeah, fascinating. so i— journey to get there? yeah, fascinating. so i was- gr: , yeah, fascinating. so i was as a young lad fascinating. so i was as a young ion in— fascinating. so i was as a young ion in souin— fascinating. so i was as a young lad in south london in peckham, being— lad in south london in peckham, neing drugged— lad in south london in peckham, being dragged up— lad in south london in peckham, being dragged up in social noueing,— being dragged up in social housing, young, single parents, bit housing, young, single parents, iii of— housing, young, single parents, iii of o— housing, young, single parents, bit of a chaotic— housing, young, single parents, bit of a chaotic background . i bit of a chaotic background. i rernernern i— bit of a chaotic background. i remember i used— bit of a chaotic background. i remember i used to i don't know if voure— remember i used to i don't know if voure oin— remember i used to i don't know if you're old enough, actually. we used— if you're old enough, actually. we used ro— if you're old enough, actually. we used to have— if you're old enough, actually. we used to have these red bus rover— we used to have these red bus rover tickets— we used to have these red bus rover tickets where my brother oni— rover tickets where my brother and i— rover tickets where my brother and i vvouii— rover tickets where my brother and i would get— rover tickets where my brother and i would get a— rover tickets where my brother

and i would get a bus ticket. vie-i— and i would get a bus ticket. vie-i go— and i would get a bus ticket. vie-i go ori— and i would get a bus ticket. we'd go all the— and i would get a bus ticket. we'd go all the way around ionion— we'd go all the way around ionion ori— we'd go all the way around london, all the— we'd go all the way around london, all the way outside ionion— london, all the way outside ionion-noving- london, all the way outside london paying any london without paying any additional— london without paying any additional would up london without paying any- additional-would.up to occasionally we would go up to number— occasionally we would go up to number io— occasionally we would go up to number 10 downing street because,-that- number 10 downing street because, that where the because, oh, is that where the nine — because, oh, is that where the prime -lives?- because, oh, is that where the prime - lives? - sit l because, oh, is that where thei prime-lives?-sit on prime minister lives? we sit on the prime minister lives? we sit on one-oureiie, — prime minister lives? we sit on the-outside, which- the steps outside, which you can vein— the steps outside, which you can vein-ug— the steps outside, which you can walk up downstairs, walk straight up to downstairs, sit walk straight up to downstairs, eir on— walk straight up to downstairs, eir on ine— walk straight up to downstairs, sit on the steps— walk straight up to downstairs, sit on the steps outside. i- remember—saying, remember the policeman saying, neiio,—one| hello, hello lads. and then one day— hello, hello lads. and then one iov noroii— hello, hello lads. and then one day harold wilson— hello, hello lads. and then one day harold wilson came and day harold wilson came out and eoie,— day harold wilson came out and eoie-ions.— day harold wilson came out and said,-lads.-oh,- said, hello lads. men. oh, neiio.— said, hello lads. men. oh, neiio. ani— said, hello lads. men. oh, hello. and then- said, hello lads. men. oh, hello. and then we worked out vvno— hello. and then we worked out vvno ne— hello. and then we worked out vvno ne — hello. and then we worked out vvno ne a— hello. and then we worked out who he was. a bit— hello. and then we worked out who he was. a bit later and i ininv— who he was. a bit later and i mink-nove— who he was. a bit later and i think-make that- who he was. a bit later and i think make that journey. think so to make that journey. ani— think so to make that journey. ann inere— think so to make that journey. and there was— think so to make that journey. and there was a— think so to make that journey. and there was a lot of racism in none— and there was a lot of racism in inoee nove— and there was a lot of racism in inoee gave one— and there was a lot of racism in those days and challenges and the those days and challenges and one-rife— those days and challenges and ine-rire oni- those days and challenges and the-rife and riots- those days and challenges and the rife and riots and the nf were rife and riots and vioienee—i- the nf were rife and riots and violence—i still| violence and chaos. so i still nove— violence and chaos. so i still nave-nveeii- violence and chaos. so i still have-myself to- violence and chaos. so i still have myself to this violence and chaos. so i still- have-myself to this day have to pinch myself to this day to have to pinch myself to this day ro nove— have to pinch myself to this day to make myself— have to pinch myself to this day to make myself from that way, from— to make myself from that way, non-vino— to make myself from that way, from-kind of— to make myself from that way, from kind of background to from that kind of background to end-ine— from that kind of background to end-rne ion— from that kind of background to end the law making end up in the law making oppororue— end up in the law making oggororue or— end up in the law making apparatus of nation end up in the law making apparatus of-nation the apparatus of your nation in the goriionenrorv— apparatus of your nation in the parliamentary windsor, parliamentary seat of windsor, of parliamentary seat of windsor, or—rne— parliamentary seat of windsor, or—rne ieegoi- of all places, the regal seat of windsor.— of all places, the regal seat of windsor-in— of all places, the regal seat of windsor.-i'm still- windsor. just i'm still astonished,- windsor. just i'm still astonished, but i think i think i astonished, but i think i think irninv— astonished, but i think i think iininv i— astonished, but i think i think iininv i vee— astonished, but i think i think i think i was always driven to eine— i think i was always driven to gig, in— i think i was always driven to one side, try to— i think i was always driven to one side, try to secure myself inoneioiiv— one side, try to secure myself rinoneioiiv. i— one side, try to secure myself financially. i was— one side, try to secure myself financially. i was always driven to financially. i was always driven ro gei— financially. i was always driven ro ger-noiiiiee— financially. i was always driven to get politics because we to get into politics because we used— to get into politics because we ueeilnove— to get into politics because we used-have-of- used to have a lot of discussions- used to have a lot of discussions around dinner discussions around the dinner rabie— discussions around the dinner table-mother— discussions around the dinner table mother worked for the table. my mother worked for the onc— table. my mother worked for the inc-period— table. my mother worked for the inc-period oe— table. my mother worked for the bbc period as well, so bbc for a period as well, so vei— bbc for a period as well, so vve-i oivvove— bbc for a period as well, so we'd always listen to radio roun— we'd always listen to radio four-li— we'd always listen to radio four..| think— we'd always listen to radio four..| think-the. we'd always listen to radio four. i think the bug four. so i think i had the bug

verv— four. so i think i had the bug verv-veon.— four. so i think i had the bug verv-veon. - four. so i think i had the bug- very-yeah. -mentioned very young. yeah. you mentioned racism was racism in racism. was there a racism in politic on your journey to get selected ? yeah, i don't to be selected? yeah, i don't to be roi— selected? yeah, i don't to be fair ,— selected? yeah, i don't to be gi, i— selected? yeah, i don't to be gi, i know.— selected? yeah, i don't to be fair , i know. look,- ff yeah, i don't to be fair , i know. look, the general fair, i know. look, the general irone— fair, i know. look, the general none is— fair, i know. look, the general trope is tories— fair, i know. look, the general trope is tories are— fair, i know. look, the general trope is tories are racist. rich roeiei. — trope is tories are racist. rich roeiei. i— trope is tories are racist. rich racist. i wouldn't- trope is tories are racist. rich racist. i wouldn't say- trope is tories are racist. rich racist. : " c racist. i wouldn't say that politics. no, no, no, no. i get inor— politics. no, no, no, no. i get inor. nui— politics. no, no, no, no. i get inor. our our— politics. no, no, no, no. i get that. but but that's- it»; no, no, no, no. i get that. but but that's the kind {5 no, no, no, no. i get that. but but that's the kind of more— that. but but that's the kind of more rne— that. but but that's the kind of that's the kind— that. but but that's the kind of that's the kind of— that. but but that's the kind of that's the kind of polarisation, if vou— that's the kind of polarisation, ir vou gig,— that's the kind of polarisation, if you like, are— that's the kind of polarisation, if you like, are going to be reoiiv— if you like, are going to be really honest— if you like, are going to be really honest with you. i said to really honest with you. i said ro vou— really honest with you. i said ro vou refore— really honest with you. i said to you before we— really honest with you. i said to you before we started and i eoie,— to you before we started and i eoie, rook,— to you before we started and i said, look, i'm— to you before we started and i said, look, i'm leaving parliament— said, look, i'm leaving parliament at the next election, rnererore— parliament at the next election, rnererore iii— parliament at the next election, therefore i'll just— parliament at the next election, therefore i'll just talk freely. ani— therefore i'll just talk freely. anilvvouii— therefore i'll just talk freely. and iwould -wasi therefore i'll just talk freely.i and iwould -was no and i would say there was no greorer— and i would say there was no greater levels— and i would say there was no greater levels of— and i would say there was no greater levels of racism or prev-unice— prejudice within the conservative there conservative party than there rnon — conservative party than there were than there— conservative party than there were than there was in rest were than there was in the rest of were than there was in the rest or eoeierv— were than there was in the rest or eoeiervlrne— were than there was in the rest of society the time. and of society at the time. and i rninv— of society at the time. and i think-beauty— of society at the time. and i think-beauty-i- of society at the time. and i think beauty i do of society at the time. and i- think-beauty-i do mean think the beauty and i do mean the think the beauty and i do mean rne-or— think the beauty and i do mean rne-or rne— think the beauty and i do mean the of the conservative the beauty of the conservative party— the beauty of the conservative party-vou— the beauty of the conservative nonv-vou enovv- party is that if you show oiiiirv— party is that if you show ability and— party is that if you show ability and you're able, you guer— ability and you're able, you iuerleoiiing— ability and you're able, you just sailing through and just go sailing through and note— just go sailing through and more in— just go sailing through and that's in effect— just go sailing through and that's in effect maybe the that's in effect after maybe the ine— that's in effect after maybe the iore-rnor-e— that's in effect after maybe the late -that's in— that's in effect after maybe the late that's in effect what late 80s, that's in effect what noppenei.— late 80s, that's in effect what happened._that's| late 80s, that's in effect what. happened._that's why happened. and i think that's why the happened. and i think that's why rne-or— happened. and i think that's why rne-or rne— happened. and i think that's why the-of the mps_ happened. and i think that's why the-of the mps of- happened. and i think that's why the of the mps of non—white the most of the mps of non—white irre— the most of the mps of non—white iire vvno— the most of the mps of non—white mps who-elected— the most of the mps of non—white mps who-elected for- the most of the mps of non—white mps who elected for the mps who get elected for the conservatives _ mps who get elected for the conservatives are pretty strong enoroerere— conservatives are pretty strong characters-we've- conservatives are pretty strong characters we've had to characters because we've had to rignr— characters because we've had to rignr on— characters because we've had to rignr on o— characters because we've had to fight on a level— characters because we've had to fight on a level playing field vvirn—eiee. - fight on a level playing field with -else. so- fight on a level playing field with else. so yeah fight on a level playing field. with -else. so yeah , a with everybody else. so yeah, a bit with everybody else. so yeah, a iir-roeien. — with everybody else. so yeah, a bit-racism. yeah,- bit of casual racism. yeah, movie.— bit of casual racism. yeah, movie-nur- bit of casual racism. yeah, maybe.-but but- bit of casual racism. yeah, maybe. but but i think

maybe. maybe but but i think rnor— maybe. maybe but but i think that ultimately— maybe. maybe but but i think that ultimately the conservative party— that ultimately the conservative nonv enineer— that ultimately the conservative party embraced modern britain quire— party embraced modern britain guire o— party embraced modern britain guire o iong— party embraced modern britain quite a long time— party embraced modern britain quite a long time ago, so it's oinoer— quite a long time ago, so it's oinoer nor— quite a long time ago, so it's almost not an— quite a long time ago, so it's almost not an issue. and genuineiv— almost not an issue. and genuineiv-in- almost not an issue. and genuinely, in westminster genuinely, even in westminster roiov— genuinely, even in westminster roiov unen— genuinely, even in westminster rooov vvnen in— genuinely, even in westminster today when i'm sitting there, vvnen— today when i'm sitting there, vvnen orner— today when i'm sitting there, when other mps_ today when i'm sitting there, when other mps sitting there when other mps are sitting there iooving— when other mps are sitting there iooving or— when other mps are sitting there iooving or me— when other mps are sitting there looking at the past kwasi nvoneng— looking at the past kwasi vvvoneng on— looking at the past kwasi kwarteng on the front bench, seeing— kwarteng on the front bench, eeeing ,— kwarteng on the front bench, eeeing , eeeing— kwarteng on the front bench, seeing, seeing james kwarteng on the front bench, seeing , seeing james cleverly kwarteng on the front bench, seeing, seeing james cleverly as roreign— seeing, seeing james cleverly as foreign secretary,— seeing, seeing james cleverly as foreign secretary, do you know, i foreign secretary, do you know, i ion-r— foreign secretary, do you know, i ion-r rninv— foreign secretary, do you know, i don't think they— foreign secretary, do you know, i don't think they even see it. i don't think they even see it. i neon— i don't think they even see it. i i— i don't think they even see it. i mean, i know— i don't think they even see it. i mean, i know i— i don't think they even see it. i mean, i know i genuinely i iuer— i mean, i know i genuinely i iuer oon-r— i mean, i know i genuinely i iuer oon-r eee— i mean, i know i genuinely i just don't see it.— i mean, i know i genuinely i just don't see it. it's like neirner— just don't see it. it's like neither here— just don't see it. it's like neither here nor there. so it's veon— neither here nor there. so it's veon ire— neither here nor there. so it's yeah, it's fascinating. e yeah, it's fascinating. it's remarkable.— yeah, it's fascinating. it's remarkable. it's- yeah, it's fascinating. it's remarkable. it's remarkable. so when researching this, i when i was researching this, i had to go back a long way. i found one personal interview you've ever done, which is why i'm. which is why i'm so thrilled that you're here today. it was 13 years ago that you gave this personal interview and you said this 13 years ago. i don't see myself enough as a black man . i refuse to be black man. i refuse to be defined by my colour or pigeonholed in that way. is that still your view? 100, because i oninv— still your view? 100, because i oninv onere— still your view? 100, because i think there is— still your view? 100, because i think there is a— cc " , , 100, because i think there is a tendency, and

ponieuioriv— think there is a tendency, and particularly for— think there is a tendency, and particularly for political gain eorneirrnee— particularly for political gain sometimes and— particularly for political gain sometimes and campaign gain to ioeieoiiv— sometimes and campaign gain to noeieoiiv sov— sometimes and campaign gain to basically say because you have one attribute,— basically say because you have one attribute, whether it's your skin — one attribute, whether it's your skin oouir— one attribute, whether it's your skin colour or— one attribute, whether it's your skin colour or your culture or vour— skin colour or your culture or vour sev— skin colour or your culture or vour eevlvour— skin colour or your culture or your sex your gender, that your sex or your gender, that no— your sex or your gender, that rnor-roroiirv- your sex or your gender, that that-totalitylyou. your sex or your gender, that that totality you and that is the totality of you and onererore— that is the totality of you and therefore it's— that is the totality of you and therefore it's very— that is the totality of you and therefore it's very easy to be pigeonnoieo— therefore it's very easy to be pigeonholed in— therefore it's very easy to be pigeonholed in fact, i'll let you— pigeonholed in fact, i'll let vou inro— pigeonholed in fact, i'll let vou inro o— pigeonholed in fact, i'll let you into a secret. the reason i oion-r— you into a secret. the reason i oion-r ioin— you into a secret. the reason i oion-r on one— you into a secret. the reason i didn't join the labour party and i didn't join the labour party and i-oiour— didn't join the labour party and i-oiour n,— didn't join the labour party and i-about it, really- i did think about it, really rnougnr— i did think about it, really thought about— i did think about it, really thought about it. yeah, i rnougnr— thought about it. yeah, i thought about it. yeah, i thought about it. yeah, i thought about it in 1987 when i moving— thought about it in 1987 when i was making decision about was making my decision about vvnen— was making my decision about vvnen-noo— was making my decision about which-had, the- was making my decision about which had, the labour which party i had, the labour party,— which party i had, the labour nonv—rnorl party, the liberals at that rime,— party, the liberals at that rime-one- party, the liberals at that time,-and the. time, and sdp and the conservatives. and i said, well, unor— conservatives. and i said, well, vnor oo— conservatives. and i said, well, vnor do i— conservatives. and i said, well, what do i really— conservatives. and i said, well, what do i really honestly in my neon—vvnen- what do i really honestly in my heart—which party. what do i really honestly in my heart which party do what do i really honestly in myi hgot_which party do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? which party do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? and which party do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? and there ich party do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? and there wasiarty do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? and there was abouto i go into? and there was about 60:— i go into? and there was about oo, mo.— i go into? and there was about 60, 70% match— i go into? and there was about 60, 70% match with labour, to be peneeriv— 60, 70% match with labour, to be perfectly honest,— 60, 70% match with labour, to be perfectly honest, about an 80% moron— perfectly honest, about an 80%j moron—rime match with liberals at the time vvnen— match with liberals at the time when - believed _ match with liberals at the time when believed democracy when they believed in democracy and when they believed in democracy our-node.— when they believed in democracy and-trade. now— when they believed in democracy and trade. now they don't and free trade. now they don't anymore. interested. anymore. so i'm not interested. ano— anymore. so i'm not interested. and—one- and but then with the conservative - and but then with the conservative party is probably oiour— conservative party is probably about-match. - conservative party is probably about-match. so- conservative party is probably about match. so it's about 85, 90% match. so it's one— about 85, 90% match. so it's quire-ir— about 85, 90% match. so it's guire-ir - about 85, 90% match. so it's quite-it was. it- about 85, 90% match. so it's quite it was. it was very quite close. it was. it was very eoeei — quite close. it was. it was very eoeei veon— quite close. it was. it was very close. yeah, it— quite close. it was. it was very close. yeah, it was— quite close. it was. it was very close. yeah, it was very close ieeouee— close. yeah, it was very close ieeouee i— close. yeah, it was very close because i-the- close. yeah, it was very close because i the outcomes because i think the outcomes rnor—in- because i think the outcomes rnor—in nonv- because i think the outcomes. that—in many ways that labour want in many ways people— that labour want in many ways geogielie— that labour want in many ways people be wealthier, people to be wealthier, happy, roving— people to be wealthier, happy, roving eoie— people to be wealthier, happy, taking care of— people to be wealthier, happy, taking care of their difficulty. ivoeriv— taking care of their difficulty. ivoeriv-eoving- taking care of their difficulty. exactly saying what exactly what saying what conservatives _ conservatives want the difference _ difference is, is we have oirrerenr— difference is, is we have different way— difference is, is we have different way getting there. different way of getting there. we no— different way of getting there. we - a different— different way of getting there. we a different mechanisms

we see a different mechanisms of gerring— we see a different mechanisms of gerring-onvvvov,— we see a different mechanisms of getting-anywavv i— we see a different mechanisms of getting anyway, i digress. getting there anyway, i digress. so getting there anyway, i digress. so ioeieoiiv— getting there anyway, i digress. so basically looked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilaboury looked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilabour party, looked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilabour party, i looked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilabour party, i was ked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilabour party, i was just the labour party, i was just ongrv— the labour party, i was just ongrv. i— the labour party, i was just ongrv. i vvo— the labour party, i was just angry. i was really angry. not oiour— angry. i was really angry. not about necessarily even the goiiev— policy areas. i was angry ieeouee— policy areas. i was angry because-like- policy areas. i was angry because-like if- policy areas. i was angry because like if you're because it's like if you're brook,— because it's like if you're nag, vou— because it's like if you're black, you -to - because it's like if you're black, you to be a because it's like if you're- black, you -to be a certain black, you have to be a certain way— black, you have to be a certain vvov or— black, you have to be a certain vvov or vou-ve— black, you have to be a certain vvov or vou-ve gor— black, you have to be a certain way or you've got to be a victim in-vov. — way or you've got to be a victim in-vov. -gor- way or you've got to be a victim in-vov. -gor ro- way or you've got to be a victim| in -way. -got to have in some way. you've got to have all in some way. you've got to have oii-euiruroi— in some way. you've got to have all cultural attributes that all the cultural attributes that i all the cultural attributes that i don-r— all the cultural attributes that i oon-r know— all the cultural attributes that i don't know they deemed to i don't know that they deemed to be i don't know that they deemed to ne-onnronriore— i don't know that they deemed to be-appropriate-for- be the appropriate ones for brook— be the appropriate ones for nioev geopie. — be the appropriate ones for black people. needed special black people. you needed special neg.— black people. you needed special nun—ro— black people. you needed special nein.—ro ne— black people. you needed special help._to be you're- help. you've got to be you're going— help. you've got to be you're going underprivileged. going to be underprivileged. i neon—ovrui- going to be underprivileged. i mean, awful. and mean, it was just awful. and i rnougnr,— mean, it was just awful. and i noggin, oo— mean, it was just awful. and i rnougnr, oo vou— mean, it was just awful. and i thought, do you know what? that is thought, do you know what? that ie-vievv— thought, do you know what? that ie-vievv or— thought, do you know what? that is-view of people- is not my view of people generoiiv. — is not my view of people generally. and - is not my view of people generally. and it to is not my view of people- generally. and it-to me generally. and it seems to me no— generally. and it seems to me no iuer— generally. and it seems to me that just because— generally. and it seems to me that just because you have a oinerenr— that just because you have a different-colour,- that just because you have a different colour, you're different skin colour, you're eriii—voul different skin colour, you're. still—you still still a human being, you still nove— still a human being, you still nove-eone— still a human being, you still have same needs, desires, have the same needs, desires, roe— have the same needs, desires, vvonre—soi have the same needs, desires, noninv—soi have the same needs, desires, vithink that—soj have the same needs, desires, vithink that was so have the same needs, desires, vithink that was largely so have the same needs, desires, vithink that was largely whati i think that was largely what drove— i think that was largely what drove conservatives. drove me to the conservatives. i rnougnr,— drove me to the conservatives. i rnougnr,-or— drove me to the conservatives. i thought,-at least- drove me to the conservatives. i thought, at least they're thought, well, at least they're not thought, well, at least they're nor-ro— thought, well, at least they're nor-ro-ne- thought, well, at least they're not-to -me like - thought, well, at least they're. not-to-me like some not going to treat me like some vino— not going to treat me like some vino-roven— not going to treat me like some kind ltoken, you— not going to treat me like some kind token, you know? wow. kind of token, you know? wow. nur— kind of token, you know? wow. our voue— kind of token, you know? wow. but you're trailblazer . but you're a trailblazer. i mean, whether- but you're a trailblazer. i mean, whether you - but you're a trailblazer. i mean, whether you like it or to not be the first anything means you have blazed a trail. you can lead other people who may never have been able to dream of achieving that . you can see. so achieving that. you can see. so you can be some people will think , but you don't. you don't

think, but you don't. you don't like the trailblazer thing. it is.lookitis like the trailblazer thing. it is. look it is something. but i rninv— is. look it is something. but i oninv vvnen— is. look it is something. but i think when you're— is. look it is something. but i think when you're sitting in vour— think when you're sitting in vour on— think when you're sitting in your own skin,— think when you're sitting in your own skin, you just see what voure— your own skin, you just see what voure oining— your own skin, you just see what voure oining ro— your own skin, you just see what you're aiming to achieve, what you— you're aiming to achieve, what vou vvonr— you're aiming to achieve, what vou vonr ro— you're aiming to achieve, what vou vonr o oo— you're aiming to achieve, what you want to do for— you're aiming to achieve, what you want to do for the country. ano— you want to do for the country. and oo— you want to do for the country. one do vou— you want to do for the country. and do you know— you want to do for the country. and do you know what if people i oninv— and do you know what if people i oninv one— and do you know what if people i think the best— and do you know what if people i think the best way— and do you know what if people i think the best way i— and do you know what if people i think the best way i can put it is think the best way i can put it ie one— think the best way i can put it ie one ie— think the best way i can put it ie one ie if— think the best way i can put it is this is if people— think the best way i can put it is this is if people were encouraged— is this is if people were encouraged and are encouraged by the encouraged and are encouraged by one oouir— encouraged and are encouraged by one oouir or— encouraged and are encouraged by the colour of my— encouraged and are encouraged by the colour of my skin. i'll tell you— the colour of my skin. i'll tell vou unor— the colour of my skin. i'll tell vou gig, in— the colour of my skin. i'll tell you what, i'm delighted, gloria. i'm you what, i'm delighted, gloria. i-n—oeiignreo.- i'm absolutely delighted. but it's i'm absolutely delighted. but ire—noe- i'm absolutely delighted. but. it's—was setting it's not something i was setting out it's not something i was setting our ro— it's not something i was setting our o oo. — it's not something i was setting our o do. our— it's not something i was setting out to do. but i— it's not something i was setting out to do. but i have to say it is out to do. but i have to say it ie—ro— out to do. but i have to say it ie—ro ie— out to do. but i have to say it ie—ro ie one- out to do. but i have to say it is_to be the first. is something to be the first brook— is something to be the first black conservative mp, eonerning.— black conservative mp, something. it certainly is. it eerroiniv— something. it certainly is. it eerroinivlso— something. it certainly is. it certainly-so you- something. it certainly is. it certainly so you mentioned something. it certainly is. it certa upbringing. ou mentioned something. it certainly is. it certa upbringing. you nentioned something. it certainly is. it certa upbringing. you wereined something. it certainly is. it certaupbringing. you were born your upbringing. you were born in 1965. your mum's white, your dad , black, ghanaian. you said dad, black, ghanaian. you said that you grew up in social housing, race relations have changed a lot since 1965, since . the late 60s and early 70s, when you were growing up. can you think of any thing that symbolised that time in terms of race relations ? oh yeah, very race relations? oh yeah, very muon—

race relations? oh yeah, very nuen eo— race relations? oh yeah, very nuen eo .— race relations? oh yeah, very much so . national- f , oh yeah, very much so . national front marches much so. national front marches . i much so. national front marches . i neon— much so. national front marches . i iuer— much so. national front marches . i mean, just that— much so. national front marches . i mean, just that was a urogni. — . i mean, just that was a urogni. i— . i mean, just that was a draghi. i mean,- . i mean, just that was a draghi. i mean, there was one running— draghi. i mean, there was one running through— draghi. i mean, there was one running through south—east ionoon— running through south—east ionoon in— running through south—east london in lewisham in violence ono— london in lewisham in violence on our— london in lewisham in violence on iour oieo— london in lewisham in violence and but also, i— london in lewisham in violence and but also, i mean, just einnie— and but also, i mean, just eingie ooiiv— and but also, i mean, just simple daily activities, you know— simple daily activities, you knovv ,— simple daily activities, you knovv , i— simple daily activities, you know , i sometimes smile today know, i sometimes smile today vvnen— know, i sometimes smile today vvnen geogie— know, i sometimes smile today vvnen geogie eov— know, i sometimes smile today vvnen geogie eov ,— know, i sometimes smile today when people say , oh, that's when people say, oh, that's roeier. — when people say, oh, that's racist. when _ when people say, oh, that's racist. when somebody says eonerning— racist. when somebody says something about food or eonerning. — something about food or something. i— something about food or something. i don't know . something about food or something. i don't know. but oduoiiv— something. i don't know. but oeruoiiv-in— something. i don't know. but actually,-in the- something. i don't know. but actually, in the day, no, actually, back in the day, no, novvoel— actually, back in the day, no, no,.was-violence,| no, it was physical violence, eepeeioiiv— no, it was physical violence, eegeeioiiv in— no, it was physical violence, especially in south—east london. people— especially in south—east london. reonie—ieoniei people would chase you. people vouio—nel would be knifed. there'd be igne—iouei would be knifed. there'd be igne—iue i would be knifed. there'd be- fights._bus , people fights. you get on a bus, people vvouio— fights. you get on a bus, people vouio enn— fights. you get on a bus, people would spit and— fights. you get on a bus, people would spit and sit— fights. you get on a bus, people would spit and sit in a different— would spit and sit in a different seat. i mean, it was it different seat. i mean, it was ir-reoiiv.— different seat. i mean, it was ir-reoiiv. oio— different seat. i mean, it was it-really. did that- different seat. i mean, it was it really. did that happen it was really. did that happen to it was really. did that happen ro—or— it was really. did that happen ro—or rnoee- it was really. did that happen to of those things? to you or any of those things? veon— to you or any of those things? veon ori— to you or any of those things? yeah, all those— to you or any of those things? yeah, all those things, yeah. consistently— yeah, all those things, yeah. consistently and— yeah, all those things, yeah. consistently and continuously in the consistently and continuously in one—your- consistently and continuously in the _your motherj the early 70s. yeah your mother being— the early 70s. yeah your mother ieing evvorn— the early 70s. yeah your mother neing g,— the early 70s. yeah your mother being sworn at, know, race being sworn at, you know, race rroiror— being sworn at, you know, race traitor shouted _ being sworn at, you know, race traitor shouted out— being sworn at, you know, race traitor shouted out on the erreer. — traitor shouted out on the erreer. i— traitor shouted out on the street. i mean— traitor shouted out on the street. i mean it was. yeah, it oeuv— street. i mean it was. yeah, it prerrv, grerrv— street. i mean it was. yeah, it was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. was pretty, pretty harin stuff. so was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so iike— was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so iike i— was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so iike i savv— was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so like i say, the— was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so like i say, the modern day, rnoerno— so like i say, the modern day, modern-racism - so like i say, the modern day, modern racism concerns modern day racism and concerns to modern day racism and concerns ro—oo— modern day racism and concerns ro—ioo vou- modern day racism and concerns ro—ioo vou know- modern day racism and concernsi to_do you know what to me, i think. do you know what is to me, i think. do you know what ie ire— to me, i think. do you know what ie ire rorgive— to me, i think. do you know what is it? forgive me,— to me, i think. do you know what is it? forgive me, but is it reoiiv— is it? forgive me, but is it reoiiv o— is it? forgive me, but is it really a thing— is it? forgive me, but is it really a thing that maybe it's iuer— really a thing that maybe it's just sensitivity?— really a thing that maybe it's just sensitivity? know, if just sensitivity? you know, if eoneioov— just sensitivity? you know, if eoneioov-ror- just sensitivity? you know, if- somebody-for example, somebody asks you, for example, the somebody asks you, for example, one-eov— somebody asks you, for example, the-day somebody- somebody asks you, for example, the day somebody asked the other day somebody asked you,— the other day somebody asked your-vou— the other day somebody asked vou-vou non - the other day somebody asked vou-vou from o- the other day somebody asked you, you from ? okay. you, where are you from? okay. is you, where are you from? okay. ie—o— you, where are you from? okay. ie—o roeier- you, where are you from? 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is that really a racist insult or-iuer o— is that really a racist insult or just a genuine inquiry or is it just a genuine inquiry or, or is it just a genuine inquiry vou— or is it just a genuine inquiry vou know,— or is it just a genuine inquiry or, you know, you— or is it just a genuine inquiry or, you know, you talked about a rnor— or, you know, you talked about a rnor vour— or, you know, you talked about a name that your mum was called rroiror. — name that your mum was called race traitor. that's— name that your mum was called race traitor. that's that's extraordinary . and people you extraordinary. and people you said people spit at you. yeah. yeah. openly trip— said people spit at you. yeah. yeah. openly trip you- said people spit at you. yeah. yeah. openly trip you up- e yeah. yeah. openly trip you up on the oue— yeah. openly trip you up on the iue . — yeah. openly trip you up on the iue . ine— yeah. openly trip you up on the bus. the colour— yeah. openly trip you up on the bus. the colour of— yeah. openly trip you up on the bus. the colour of your skin. 100. yeah. you, you sit- 100. yeah. you, you sit down in a 100. yeah. you, you sit down in o ponieuior— 100. yeah. you, you sit down in a particular seat— 100. yeah. you, you sit down in a particular seat and you see people— a particular seat and you see geogie nove— a particular seat and you see people move away to another een.— people move away to another eeor. i— people move away to another eeor. i neon— people move away to another seat. i mean, how— people move away to another seat. i mean, how does that make you— seat. i mean, how does that make vou reen— seat. i mean, how does that make vou reeie — seat. i mean, how does that make vou reeie i— seat. i mean, how does that make you feel? i think— seat. i mean, how does that make you feel? i think when- seat. i mean, how does that make you feel? " "it; you feel? i think when you're young, i mean, look, to be an mp, you have to be pretty robust. you got to have pretty rniek— robust. you got to have pretty rniek enn— robust. you got to have pretty thick skin. so— robust. you got to have pretty thick skin. so i— you got to have pretty thick skin. so i think when voure— thick skin. so i think when vou-re-vou- thick skin. so i think when. you're-you-really you're young, you don't really reoiiee— you're young, you don't really reoiieeirne— you're young, you don't really realise the sensitivities realise all the sensitivities orouno— realise all the sensitivities orouno in— realise all the sensitivities around it. now— realise all the sensitivities around it. now looking back, i rninn— around it. now looking back, i rninn-rnor— around it. now looking back, i| think,-that-brutal. think, blimey, that was brutal. ine—rnor- think, blimey, that was brutal. the _that brutali think, blimey, that was brutal.i the _that brutal to the idea of being that brutal to someone - a child - the idea of being that brutal to someone a child and someone who's just a child and to someone who's just a child and ro-ro— someone who's just a child and ro-ro oneir— someone who's just a child and to -to their mother. someone who's just a child and to to their mother in to them and to their mother in nonr— to them and to their mother in front-children. - to them and to their mother in front-children. it's- front of the children. it's a grerrv— front of the children. it's a pretty extreme— front of the children. it's a pretty extreme thing. so so veon— pretty extreme thing. so so yeah veon.— pretty extreme thing. so so yeah veon. nur— pretty extreme thing. so so yeah, yeah. but then maybe more— yeah, yeah. but then maybe more unor— yeah, yeah. but then maybe that's what makes us who we are, you— that's what makes us who we are, vou know,— that's what makes us who we are, vou nnovv, vou— that's what makes us who we are, you know, you have— that's what makes us who we are, you know, you have a background. movie— you know, you have a background. novie rnor-e— you know, you have a background. maybe that's kind— you know, you have a background. maybe that's kind of what forges us maybe that's kind of what forges ue—ano- maybe that's kind of what forges ue—ano i- maybe that's kind of what forges ue—ano i thinkl us into who we are. and i think no— us into who we are. and i think no movie— us into who we are. and i think no novie nv— us into who we are. and i think that maybe my depher sense rnenonierne— that maybe my depher sense mechanisms go— that maybe my depher sense mechanisms go right. i need to get mechanisms go right. i need to ger inro— mechanisms go right. i need to ger inro o—

mechanisms go right. i need to get into a position— mechanisms go right. i need to get into a position in life vvnere— get into a position in life vvnere i— get into a position in life where i have— get into a position in life where i have some degree of connoi— where i have some degree of eonrroi over— where i have some degree of control over my— where i have some degree of control over my whether control over my life, whether rnor-e— control over my life, whether that's financially— control over my life, whether that's financially by going to nueineee— that's financially by going to business initially or whether rnor-e— business initially or whether rnor-e iv— business initially or whether that's by making the of the that's by making the laws of the iono— that's by making the laws of the iono-i— that's by making the laws of the iono-i oieo— that's by making the laws of the land.-i also realise- that's by making the laws of the land. i also realise i had land. and i also realise i had to land. and i also realise i had ro-oouiiv— land. and i also realise i had to-doubly hard.- land. and i also realise i had to doubly hard. so i was to work doubly hard. so i was going— to work doubly hard. so i was going ro— to work doubly hard. so i was going ro-ro— to work doubly hard. so i was going ro-ro one- to work doubly hard. so i was going to to the same going to i went to the same eenooi— going to i went to the same eenooi oe— going to i went to the same school as damilola taylor, oivioueiv— school as damilola taylor, obviously way— school as damilola taylor, obviously way before his time, union— obviously way before his time, which_school,i obviously way before his time,- which_school, and which wasn't a great school, and i which wasn't a great school, and iiuer— which wasn't a great school, and i iuer i— which wasn't a great school, and ijust i remember— which wasn't a great school, and i just i remember sitting which wasn't a great school, and ijust i remember sitting on which wasn't a great school, and i just i remember sitting on the pavement— i just i remember sitting on the govenenr, i— i just i remember sitting on the pavement, i was— i just i remember sitting on the pavement, i was about 8 or 9 veore— pavement, i was about 8 or 9 veore oio— pavement, i was about 8 or 9 years old sitting— pavement, i was about 8 or 9 years old sitting down and going,— years old sitting down and going-neu- years old sitting down and going,-hell am. years old sitting down and going, hell am i years old sitting down and- going,-hell am i going going, how the hell am i going get going, how the hell am i going ger nveeir— going, how the hell am i going ger nveeir our— going, how the hell am i going get myself out this? and get myself out of this? and a oeeieion— get myself out of this? and a oeeieion i— get myself out of this? and a decision i made,— get myself out of this? and a decision i made, which i stick vin— decision i made, which i stick vvirn rooov— decision i made, which i stick with today-do— decision i made, which i stick with today do you know what? with today is do you know what? i'm with today is do you know what? in -going— with today is do you know what? i-n-goinglvork- with today is do you know what? i'm going work hard. i'm i'm just going to work hard. i'm not i'm just going to work hard. i'm nor-voue— i'm just going to work hard. i'm not you're brightest. not saying you're the brightest. i'm not saying you're the brightest. in going— not saying you're the brightest. i-n going-reoiiv- not saying you're the brightest. i'm going really hard, i'm going to work really hard, oge— i'm going to work really hard, nonogelger— i'm going to work really hard, manage . get into - i'm going to work really hard, manage get into a grammar manage to get into a grammar eenooi,— manage to get into a grammar school, managed— manage to get into a grammar school, managed into school, managed to get into univereiv— school, managed to get into university, worked hard in iueieee— business, worked hard in pounce.— business, worked hard in poiiiee—ir business, worked hard in- politics—it kind politics. and it kind of it kind of kind— politics. and it kind of it kind of kind or— politics. and it kind of it kind of kind of comes— politics. and it kind of it kind of kind of comes through in the end. — of kind of comes through in the end. agoin— of kind of comes through in the eno. agoin. in— of kind of comes through in the end. again, in this— of kind of comes through in the end. again, in this 13- of kind of comes through in the end. 9? " " �*1’5 of kind of comes through in the end. 9? " " �*3 end. again, in this 13 year old interview, i, i don't know if you're willing to expand on something your something you said about your mum called gwen . she you mum called gwen. she brought you up alone, as you said, and you said that she was my rock, the gel at the centre of my life . gel at the centre of my life. although her tumultuous relationship with different men

made for a constant state of flux at the boundaries of our family . can you tell me it's family. can you tell me it's quite a when i read it, it was like, oh gosh, that sounds challenging. it like, oh gosh, that sounds challenging . it . i think like, oh gosh, that sounds challenging. it. i think a like, oh gosh, that sounds challenging . it . i think a lot challenging. it. i think a lot of challenging. it. i think a lot or peogie— challenging. it. i think a lot of people there— challenging. it. i think a lot of people there are- fg g it. i think a lot of people there are more people in— of people there are more people in eingie— of people there are more people now in single households than onere— now in single households than onere ueeo— now in single households than there used to— now in single households than there used to be. _ now in single households than there used to be. iii" " there used to be. even when i was younger. i think that it can be challenging. it can be challenging, but i think at the heart of it, as think i've heart of it, as i think i've said there, is that she was always the and she was the always the rock and she was the centre of our lives. and in a way she gave us our gave us our strength. so although there were challenges, and lots of challenges, liz and lots of change, actually, i think i think she was the solidity, if you like. she was the she was the rock and that made it. yeah it made it. it made it a positive, if you like. rather than a negative. it builds character. did than a negative. it builds character . did you always have character. did you always have food— character. did you always have food on— character. did you always have food on one— character. did you always have food on the table?— ff did you always have food on the table? enough food on one— food on the table? enough food on the table?— food on the table? enough food on the table? no. _ food on the table? enough food on the table? no. , \r:::r food on the table? enough food

on the table? no. , but» but» on the table? no. always? no. no clothes. on the table? no. always? no. no curren- noving— on the table? no. always? no. no clothes. having the— on the table? no. always? no. no clothes. having the right- clothes. having the right oiornee. — clothes. having the right oiornee. i— clothes. having the right clothes. i say— f having the right clothes. i say this because it reninoe— clothes. i say this because it reninoe ne— clothes. i say this because it reminds me of— clothes. i say this because it reminds me of growing up when onere-e— reminds me of growing up when onere-e nor— reminds me of growing up when there's not much— reminds me of growing up when there's not much money around ono— there's not much money around one i— there's not much money around one i rnink— there's not much money around one i onink i— there's not much money around and i think i probably spend too muon— and i think i probably spend too nuen nonev— and i think i probably spend too nuen nonev on— and i think i probably spend too much money on clothes now. not not much money on clothes now. not nor posh— much money on clothes now. not nor goen oee— much money on clothes now. not not posh ones, but— much money on clothes now. not not posh ones, but just have too nonv— not posh ones, but just have too nonv oiornee.— not posh ones, but just have too many clothes. just— not posh ones, but just have too many clothes. just because i onee— many clothes. just because i onere voenr— many clothes. just because i there wasn't enough money for me to there wasn't enough money for me o nove— there wasn't enough money for me o nove nonv— there wasn't enough money for me to have many clothes when i was growing— to have many clothes when i was growing up.— to have many clothes when i was growing up. are— to have many clothes when i was growing up. are there things no— growing up. are there things no nove— growing up. are there things that have—like. growing up. are there things- that have—like that? that have shaped you like that? veon.— that have shaped you like that? veon. i— that have shaped you like that? veon. i nrn— that have shaped you like that? yeah, i think so.— that have shaped you like that? yeah, i think so. so— that have shaped you like that? yeah, i think so. so again,- yeah, i think so. so again, being. being non—white, being a bit of an outsider anyway, and then coming from a fairly , you then coming from a fairly, you know, not an affluent background , i think, but i think that that solidity side, if like my solidity side, if you like my drive make sure that anyone drive to make sure that anyone from kind of background or from that kind of background or a similar background has opportunities so if you opportunities you know so if you look at the things i do i've been doing in parliament, aside from the front bench stuff, initially, it's basically trying to people who to make sure that people who come from more challenging backgrounds opportunity backgrounds have the opportunity not of the colour not just because of the colour of or because of of their skin or because of their background, because if their background, but because if they make some effort, work hard, best, that hard, do their best, that actually open to actually the gates are open to them. i suppose a way

them. and i suppose in a way becoming first black becoming the first black conservative helped to conservative mp that helped to open the gateway open the door the gateway for others coming to the end of others to coming to the end of the interview, you made your millions so nobody can say silver spoon in your mouth, but you made your millions of pounds . self—made but in december last veor— . self—made but in december last veor vou— . self—made but in december last veor vou uere— self—made but in december last year you were declared bankrupt due year you were declared bankrupt oue ro— year you were declared bankrupt oue ro oeine— year you were declared bankrupt oue ro oeine .— year you were declared bankrupt due to debts . of— year you were declared bankrupt due to debts . of £1.7 million year you were declared bankrupt due to debts. of £1.7 million . due to debts. of £1.7 million. nov— due to debts. of £1.7 million. nov ooee— due to debts. of £1.7 million. nov ooee ir— due to debts. of £1.7 million. how does it happen? and how does it how does it happen? and how does ir reei— how does it happen? and how does ir reei ro— how does it happen? and how does it feel to happen?— how does it happen? and how does it feel to happen? you tell me. go.— it feel to happen? you tell me. no. nur— it feel to happen? you tell me. no. our no— it feel to happen? you tell me. no. our no .— it feel to happen? you tell me. no. our no . so— it feel to happen? you tell me. no, but no . so basically,- it feel to happen? you tell me. no, but no . so basically, i- no, but no. so basically, i think it's very hard to marry politics and business together because everything i'd ever created, i had started and there were several businesses out there. you're like a sitting duckin there. you're like a sitting duck in politics, so you can't fight back. so when people undertake commercial challenges , when people go for to try to put pressure on you because you're an mp and they know you can't answer and you can't run the businesses, it makes it pretty difficult. but but equally, you know, at the end of

the if you're an the day, if you're an entrepreneur, you risks and entrepreneur, you take risks and quite frankly, you i must have paid 20 or 30 million in tax over my lifetime through the businesses with thousand businesses with a thousand staff. for the staff. so that's good for the country. equally you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk equally you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and equally you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and thisally you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and this isy you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and this is the ou take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and this is the points the risk and this is the point. you take the risk and therefore you take the hit. if it goes wrong, even if you can't control it. know, it's that's it. so, you know, it's that's the that's the nature of being an entrepreneur. but that's what makes that's an entrepreneur. but that's what make creates that's an entrepreneur. but that's what makecreates employment. that's what creates employment. that's what creates employment. that's what cheaper what creates cheaper goods and services so services for other people. so i'm actually looking i'm actually quite looking forward back to the forward to getting back to the world technology and business world of technology and business after and after politics to try and rebuild, rebuild our family fortunes. of course, you're not eronoing— fortunes. of course, you're not eronoing or— fortunes. of course, you're not standing at the— of course, you're not standing at the election. standing at the next election. adon— standing at the next election. aoon arrivie— standing at the next election. adam afriyie that was one of my rovourire— adam afriyie that was one of my favourite real— adam afriyie that was one of my favourite real me— adam afriyie that was one of my favourite real me interviews . favourite real me interviews. oh— favourite real me interviews. on, ononk— favourite real me interviews. on, non vou.— favourite real me interviews. oh, thank you. thank you so much . ii— oh, thank you. thank you so much . if vou— oh, thank you. thank you so much . if vou ever— oh, thank you. thank you so much . if vou ger— oh, thank you. thank you so much . if you ever get fed— oh, thank you. thank you so much . if you ever get fed up- oh, thank you. thank you so much . if you ever get fed up with this, you can be a psychotherapy list. coming up, labour's andrew evvnne— list. coming up, labour's andrew evvnne in. — list. coming up, labour's andrew evvnne in. i— list. coming up, labour's andrew gwynne in. i think— list. coming up, labour's andrew gwynne in. i think it's- list. coming up, labour's andrew gwynne in. i think it's a- c coming up, labour's andrew gwynne in. jig gwynne in. i think it's a big part of why i feel good . part of why i feel good. obviously there is some kind of chemical imbalance going on in my body and the pills help to fix it. my gp's not concerned

about me having been on them now for some time. coming up, conservative mp elliot colburn. there are practises pseudo reiigioue— there are practises pseudo religious and— there are practises pseudo religious and pseudo psychological practises that are eriii— psychological practises that are eriii noggening— psychological practises that are still happening today. psychological practises that are still happening today . dressed still happening today. dressed up still happening today. dressed un oe— still happening today. dressed up as legitimate— still happening today. dressed up as legitimate therapy which eeek— up as legitimate therapy which eeek ro— up as legitimate therapy which seek to change— up as legitimate therapy which seek to change someone's ioenrirv— seek to change someone's ioenrirv .— seek to change someone's identity . and— seek to change someone's identity . and that's what i identity. and that's what i eon-r— identity. and that's what i don't think— identity. and that's what i don't think is— identity. and that's what i don't think is right

context of this conflict. and if putin was to defeat ukraine, which is, i think, unthinkable now, that would be effectively the end of international gb news fan. and i was before i was . fan. and i was before i was. anorev— fan. and i was before i was. andrew gwynne,— and i was before i was. andrew gwynne, labour mp, shadow iiinierer— andrew gwynne, labour mp, shadow iiinierer ror— andrew gwynne, labour mp, shadow minister for public— andrew gwynne, labour mp, shadow minister for public health. 4:3. minister for public health. you eieereu— minister for public health. you were elected in— minister for public health. you were elected in 2005. - minister for public health. you were elected in 2005. this- minister for public health. you were elected in 2005. this is mental health awareness week. as you will know. so when we spoke at the end of 2021, you told me that you only felt good because you take antidepressants . yes, you take antidepressants. yes, we're nearly 18 months on from that. we're nearly 18 months on from that . how is we're nearly 18 months on from that. how is your mental health

today? well, my mental health is iriiiionr.— today? well, my mental health is iriiiionr. i— today? well, my mental health is brilliant. i wake— today? well, my mental health is brilliant. i wake up— today? well, my mental health is brilliant. i wake up ,_ 3“ well, my mental health is brilliant. i wake up , feel brilliant. i wake up, feel norrnoi— brilliant. i wake up, feel normal, whatever normal is oneerv— normal, whatever normal is oneerv een— normal, whatever normal is cheery self get— normal, whatever normal is cheery self get on with the day . uorning— cheery self get on with the day . nothing troubles— cheery self get on with the day . nothing troubles me . well, . nothing troubles me. well, oinoer— . nothing troubles me. well, almost nothing— . nothing troubles me. well, almost nothing ._ . nothing troubles me. well, almost nothing . and it is great almost nothing. and it is great to almost nothing. and it is great o nove— almost nothing. and it is great o nove nv— almost nothing. and it is great to have my life— almost nothing. and it is great to have my life back . ' ”it; to have my life back. are you enu— to have my life back. are you still taking antidepressants? i am , yeah. and do you think that am, yeah. and do you think that is why you feel good? i think it's a big is why you feel good? i think ir-e o irig non— is why you feel good? i think it's a big part of— is why you feel good? i think it's a big part of why- is why you feel good? i think it's a big part of why i- 33“ i think it's a big part of why i feel good— it's a big part of why i feel good .— it's a big part of why i feel good . obviously, there is some good. obviously, there is some kind— good. obviously, there is some kind or— good. obviously, there is some kind of chemical— good. obviously, there is some kind of chemical imbalance going on in— kind of chemical imbalance going on in nv— kind of chemical imbalance going on in nv noov— kind of chemical imbalance going on in my body and— kind of chemical imbalance going on in my body and the pills help to on in my body and the pills help ro riv— on in my body and the pills help ro riv n.— on in my body and the pills help ro fix in riv— on in my body and the pills help to fix it. my gp's— on in my body and the pills help to fix it. my gp's not concerned oiour— to fix it. my gp's not concerned oiour ne— to fix it. my gp's not concerned about me having— to fix it. my gp's not concerned about me having been on them now for eoe— about me having been on them now for rime,— about me having been on them now for some time, she— about me having been on them now for some time, she says . if it's for some time, she says. if it's wing,— for some time, she says. if it's working, ire— for some time, she says. if it's working, it's working and you know,— working, it's working and you know, iii— working, it's working and you know, i'll take— working, it's working and you know, i'll take her advice on it ono— know, i'll take her advice on it one ir— know, i'll take her advice on it one i ie— know, i'll take her advice on it and it is working.— know, i'll take her advice on it and it is working. but this also iiving— and it is working. but this also iiving in— and it is working. but this also living in happier— and it is working. but this also living in happier times . things living in happier times. things are living in happier times. things going— living in happier times. things going veri— living in happier times. things going veii ,— living in happier times. things are going well , so all of those are going well, so all of those rninge— are going well, so all of those rninge give— are going well, so all of those rninge give vou— are going well, so all of those things give you a— are going well, so all of those things give you a personal boost onvvov. — things give you a personal boost onvvov. nove— things give you a personal boost onvvov. nove vou— things give you a personal boost anyway. have you tried talking rneronv— anyway. have you tried talking onerogv e— anyway. have you tried talking onerogv e i— anyway. have you tried talking therapy ? i have— anyway. have you tried talking therapy ? i have ._ anyway. have you tried talking therapy ? i have . one of the therapy? i have. one of the rninge—

therapy? i have. one of the rninge rnor— therapy? i have. one of the things that john— therapy? i have. one of the things that john bercow introduced— things that john bercow introduced when he was speaker was introduced when he was speaker greorer— introduced when he was speaker was greater mental health awareness amongst members of roriionenr— awareness amongst members of roriionenr ono— awareness amongst members of parliament and when i was a ponieuior— parliament and when i was a particular low— parliament and when i was a particular low point , parliament and when i was a particular low point, i was oireereo— particular low point, i was oireereo nv— particular low point, i was directed by the _ particular low point, i was directed by the house of commons neoirn— directed by the house of commons neoirn reon — directed by the house of commons neoirn reon ro— directed by the house of commons health team to go— directed by the house of commons health team to go and try some roiking— health team to go and try some talking therapies— health team to go and try some talking therapies ._ health team to go and try some talking therapies . and i don't talking therapies. and i don't know— talking therapies. and i don't know whether— talking therapies. and i don't know whether it— talking therapies. and i don't know whether it works or not. it o nir— know whether it works or not. it was a bit awkward— know whether it works or not. it was a bit awkward from time to rime— was a bit awkward from time to rine roiking— was a bit awkward from time to time talking about i suppose ooing— time talking about i suppose we're doing it— time talking about i suppose we're doing it now, talking oiour— we're doing it now, talking oiour vouv— we're doing it now, talking about your, your circumstances , about your, your circumstances, vour— about your, your circumstances, vour nenroi— about your, your circumstances, your mental health. it wasn't a gone— your mental health. it wasn't a gone enonger— your mental health. it wasn't a game changer for— your mental health. it wasn't a game changer for me in the way no— game changer for me in the way no ir— game changer for me in the way no i ie— game changer for me in the way no i ie for— game changer for me in the way that it is for some— game changer for me in the way that it is for some people , but that it is for some people, but eenoiniv— that it is for some people, but eenoiniv i— that it is for some people, but certainly i think— that it is for some people, but certainly i think it's commendable that the house of commons, as a place of work , commons, as a place of work, offere— commons, as a place of work, orrere o— commons, as a place of work, offers a whole— commons, as a place of work, offers a whole range of treatments, _ offers a whole range of treatments, not just to members of parliament,— treatments, not just to members of parliament, but— treatments, not just to members of parliament, but also to geogie— of parliament, but also to geogie vno— of parliament, but also to people who work there, either as rore— people who work there, either as nine, eron— people who work there, either as nine, eron or— people who work there, either as mps, staff or work— people who work there, either as mps, staff or work for

parliament- mps, staff or work for parliament itself . and that's parliament itself. and that's vvnor— parliament itself. and that's vnor gooo— parliament itself. and that's what good employers should do . what good employers should do. and i— what good employers should do. and i think— what good employers should do. and i think that— what good employers should do. and i think that though- what good employers should do. and i think that though there are brave and courageous members of parliament like yourself, i can think of jonathan gullis on the on the tory side who have spoken out about their own challenges . personally, i think challenges. personally, i think that's the tip of the iceberg and other people still don't feel able to speak out in the way that some have . when you way that some have. when you spoke out, did some people talk to you privately? obviously it's totally confidential. they don't want to know who they were. but did did it help other did they say did it help other people to open up about their own struggles? it did. i was eonroereo— own struggles? it did. i was eonroereo iv— own struggles? it did. i was contacted by email,- 33“ it did. i was contacted by email, text contacted by email, by text eeeoge ono— contacted by email, by text message, and stopped in the eornoore— message, and stopped in the corridors of— message, and stopped in the corridors of power by colleagues on ion — corridors of power by colleagues on ion eioee— corridors of power by colleagues on both sides of— corridors of power by colleagues on both sides of the house. a to say— on both sides of the house. a to eov nov— on both sides of the house. a to say how refreshing— on both sides of the house. a to say how refreshing they found me roiking— say how refreshing they found me roiking oiour— say how refreshing they found me talking about my— say how refreshing they found me talking about my own mental neoirn— talking about my own mental neoirn nur— talking about my own mental health, but also— talking about my own mental health, but also to say i'm going— health, but also to say i'm going rnrougn— health, but also to say i'm

going through something similar and going through something similar ono fron— going through something similar and from time— going through something similar and from time to— going through something similar and from time to time i do see people— and from time to time i do see geogie vnere— and from time to time i do see geogie vvnere i— and from time to time i do see people where i can— and from time to time i do see people where i can see the signs rnor— people where i can see the signs rnor onev-re— people where i can see the signs that they're struggling a little bit. that they're struggling a little iir. ano— that they're struggling a little iir. ano iii— that they're struggling a little bit. and i'll go— that they're struggling a little bit. and i'll go over and just put— bit. and i'll go over and just put my— bit. and i'll go over and just our nv nono— bit. and i'll go over and just our nv nono on— bit. and i'll go over and just put my hand on the shoulder and nove— put my hand on the shoulder and nove o— put my hand on the shoulder and nove o iirrie— put my hand on the shoulder and have a little private chat with onen. — have a little private chat with them. remind— have a little private chat with them. remind me , when did you them. remind me, when did you fier— them. remind me, when did you fire eeeo— them. remind me, when did you first seek help— them. remind me, when did you first seek help for— them. remind me, when did you first seek help for your depression? - first seek help for your depression? 3 first seek help for your depression? 4er mt; first seek help for your- depression? how long are we talking? oh , you're depression? 5:er "g? oh , you're getting on talking? oh, you're getting on for o— talking? oh, you're getting on for o oeeooe— talking? oh, you're getting on for a decade now. _ talking? oh, you're getting on for a decade now. so- "g? oh, you're getting on for a decade now. so i've struggled with my mental health for a long period of time . but for a long period of time. but where it really tipped me over the edge was in 2010 when i had a pulmonary embolism and i was in my 30s, almost died with a young family. and that does kind of hit you like a tonne of bncks. of hit you like a tonne of bricks . and it was for bricks. and it was for a probably a couple of years after that. i struggled on and it reached the stage where i felt really, really unwell. and that's where i took advice from the parliamentary health team and things rolled from there. i

don't know if this is too personal. you said you felt reoiiv— personal. you said you felt really unwell. _ you said you felt really unwell. symptoms are you orie— really unwell. symptoms are you oiie ro— really unwell. symptoms are you able to disclose— really unwell. symptoms are you able to disclose any of the ponieuior— able to disclose any of the particular symptoms when you rnougnr,— particular symptoms when you rnougnr, vou— particular symptoms when you thought, you know, this is i need— thought, you know, this is i need ro— thought, you know, this is i need ro ger— thought, you know, this is i need to get some help? cnureniii— need to get some help? churchill talked- need to get some help? churchill talked about the black dog.the churchill talked about the black dog. the black dog is a thing, right? this cloud descends right? just this cloud descends on you and you can't get your mind straight about anything. everything is even trivial. things just seem insurmountable . and you want to give up now, to be fair, i've never felt suicidal idol. i've never felt that i wanted to end my life because i had three children, beautiful wife. you know, those things probably kept me in the game. but at my lowest points, i had absolutely nothing going for me . even the fact that i've got me. even the fact that i've got the best job in the world representing the town where i've always lived, grown up, gone to school, brought my own family up, real privilege to up, a real privilege to represent your hometown in parliament. you know, that in itself is a privilege. but none of it meant anything because i

was right on the floor. for anyone who feels like- ” g iii" for anyone who feels like that, who is anyone who feels like that, who ie vorening — anyone who feels like that, who is watching this— anyone who feels like that, who is watching this program , what's is watching this program, what's the is watching this program, what's one beer— is watching this program, what's one neer piece— is watching this program, what's the best piece of— is watching this program, what's the best piece of advice you can give— the best piece of advice you can give onen— the best piece of advice you can give onen e — the best piece of advice you can give them ? seek— the best piece of advice you can give them ? r: give them? seek help. and it's not easy. firstly, it's not easy to recognise that you are at the lowest point because you always feel that there's still another rung , that you can you can go rung, that you can you can go down and the worry is that that rung might be the rung that is the suicidal rung . so don't let the suicidal rung. so don't let it get that far. if you are feeling miserable, if you feel that cloud is there, the black dog , try and do something about dog, try and do something about it. and there is help there. there is organisation options out there and there are people that will listen that will help, that will listen that will help, that will listen that will help, that will point you in the right direction. please use them . direction. please use them. labour's andrew gwynne attended the coronation— labour's andrew gwynne attended the coronation ceremony here oiour— the coronation ceremony here oiour rnor— the coronation ceremony here about that after— the coronation ceremony here about that after the break. i'm one— about that after the break. i'm guire eue— about that after the break. i'm quite sure that— about that after the break. i'm quite sure that there will be a

eizeoioie— quite sure that there will be a sizeable number— quite sure that there will be a sizeable number of people that viii— sizeable number of people that viii guire— sizeable number of people that will quite like— sizeable number of people that will quite like to— sizeable number of people that will quite like to see president roroge— will quite like to see president roroge or— will quite like to see president farage or president johnson . farage or president johnson. in— farage or president johnson. in nor— farage or president johnson. in nor one— farage or president johnson. i'm not one of— farage or president johnson. i'm not one of them.- farage or president johnson. i'm not one of them. i- farage or president johnson. i'm not one of them. i wouldn't mind to see president blair, but i know there is a sizeable number of people that would say, you know, not my president , but you know, not my president, but i think a constitutional monarchy is the best fit for the united kingdom

tv, radio and online. monday to inureoov— tv, radio and online. monday to inureoov non— tv, radio and online. monday to thursday from 9— tv, radio and online. monday to thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on on— thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on on neve— thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on gb news. the— thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on gb news. the people's. cnonnei— on gb news. the people's. channel what— on gb news. the people's. channel what you've just oeeeriieo— channel what you've just described is— channel what you've just described is very happy because you described is very happy because vou nove— described is very happy because you have shown— described is very happy because you have shown how to live kyiv virn— you have shown how to live kyiv with depression— you have shown how to live kyiv with depression and you don't nove— with depression and you don't have depression— with depression and you don't have depression now because vou-ve— have depression now because vou-ve eougnr— have depression now because you've sought help and sought rreornenr. — you've sought help and sought treatment. so— you've sought help and sought treatment. “el: treatment. so we've just had the coronation on. yeah, you were one of the tiny number of labour mps who got in westminster abbey to see the drama . yeah, it was to see the drama. yeah, it was like a like a sort of raffle really, wasn't it? entering a

raffle and you got a winning ticket? i raffle and you got a winning ticket ? i did. i felt like ticket? i did. i felt like cnoriie— ticket? i did. i felt like charlie bucket- f“ i did. i felt like charlie bucket in charlie and the chocolate— charlie bucket in charlie and the chocolate factory with his goioen— the chocolate factory with his golden ticket,— the chocolate factory with his golden ticket, you know, in ireeir— golden ticket, you know, in ireeir one— golden ticket, you know, in itself the invite— golden ticket, you know, in itself the invite is beautiful , itself the invite is beautiful, it's hand—painted and it's got the it's hand—painted and it's got one green— it's hand—painted and it's got one green non— it's hand—painted and it's got the green man and it's got all the green man and it's got all one riovere— the green man and it's got all the flowers of— the green man and it's got all the flowers of the— the green man and it's got all the flowers of the united kingdom— the flowers of the united kingdom .— the flowers of the united kingdom . and it's it. i'm kingdom. and it's it. i'm gerring— kingdom. and it's it. i'm gerring ir— kingdom. and it's it. i'm getting it framed because it's eonerning— getting it framed because it's something that— getting it framed because it's something that you want to keep forever nur— something that you want to keep forever. but the _ something that you want to keep forever. but the event itself, i ire— forever. but the event itself, i ir-e iuer— forever. but the event itself, i mean, it's just britain at its beg,— mean, it's just britain at its been ien-r— mean, it's just britain at its best, isn't it?— mean, it's just britain at its best, isn't it? we- mean, it's just britain at its best, isn't it? we do pomp and eeeonv ono— best, isn't it? we do pomp and ceremony and with a wonderful eveinenee— ceremony and with a wonderful eveigenee oe— ceremony and with a wonderful experience as you _ ceremony and with a wonderful experience as you know, in nierorie— experience as you know, in historic westminster abbey, a coronorion— historic westminster abbey, a coronation ceremony that dates nook— coronation ceremony that dates nook ro— coronation ceremony that dates back to william— coronation ceremony that dates back to william the conqueror . back to william the conqueror. ruer— back to william the conqueror. just magnificent— back to william the conqueror. just magnificent ._ back to william the conqueror. just magnificent . you know, some just magnificent. you know, some on one— just magnificent. you know, some on one ren— just magnificent. you know, some on the left would— just magnificent. you know, some on the left would say it is onorneno— on the left would say it is anathema. _ on the left would say it is anathema . the- on the left would say it is anathema. orig fut on the left would say it is anathema. fut on the left would say it is- anathema . the very fact that we anathema. the very fact that we have a monarchy is anathema to the concept that people work their way up. nothing should be

a birthright . what do you say to a birthright. what do you say to them on a logical level, i get them on a logical level, i get the arguments . but look, we are the arguments. but look, we are a constitutional— 5g but look, we are a constitutional monarchy 5”g but look, we are a constitutional monarchy . this a constitutional monarchy. this is a constitutional monarchy. this ie one— a constitutional monarchy. this ie one everen— a constitutional monarchy. this is the system that— a constitutional monarchy. this is the system that we've got. i eon-r— is the system that we've got. i oon-r eenee— is the system that we've got. i don't sense that— is the system that we've got. i don't sense that there is a greor— don't sense that there is a greor goguior— don't sense that there is a great popular push, certainly not great popular push, certainly nor in— great popular push, certainly nor in nv— great popular push, certainly not in my constituency , for a not in my constituency, for a enonge— not in my constituency, for a enonge ro — not in my constituency, for a change to that. _ not in my constituency, for a change to that. and on one ever,— change to that. and on one ievei, i— change to that. and on one level, i actually— change to that. and on one level, i actually quite like not noving— level, i actually quite like not noving o— level, i actually quite like not having a political— level, i actually quite like not having a political head of eeoe.— having a political head of erore. i— having a political head of state. i don't— having a political head of state. i don't know what cnoriee-e— state. i don't know what charles's political views are, ono— charles's political views are, one i— charles's political views are, one i eon-r— charles's political views are, and i don't want— charles's political views are, and i don't want to know what cnoriee-e— and i don't want to know what charles's political— and i don't want to know what charles's political views are . charles's political views are. he charles's political views are. re ie— charles's political views are. re ie onere— charles's political views are. he is there to— charles's political views are. he is there to serve the nation, ine— he is there to serve the nation, the commonwealth, the commonwealth realms , and he will commonwealth realms, and he will nove— commonwealth realms, and he will nove ro— commonwealth realms, and he will nove ro vorv— commonwealth realms, and he will have to work with— commonwealth realms, and he will have to work with prime ninierere— have to work with prime ministers in— have to work with prime ministers in the uk and across one— ministers in the uk and across one one— ministers in the uk and across the other realms— ministers in the uk and across the other realms and territories , ono— the other realms and territories , one nor— the other realms and territories , and that will— the other realms and territories , and that will be— the other realms and territories , and that will be of differing noiirieoi— , and that will be of differing political persuasions and do rnor— political persuasions and do no virnin— political persuasions and do that within a _ political persuasions and do that within a constitutional fronevorv— that within a constitutional fronevorv .— that within a constitutional framework . the problem with an framework. the problem with an eieereo— framework. the problem with an eieereo neoo— framework. the problem with an elected head of— framework. the problem with an elected head of state is that at any— elected head of state is that at onv one— elected head of state is that at onv rime— elected head of state is that at any one time half— elected head of state is that at any one time half of the country is any one time half of the country ie ogoiner— any one time half of the country is against them— any one time half of the country is against them ._ any one time half of the country is against them . you know, i'm

is against them. you know, i'm quire— is against them. you know, i'm guire eue— is against them. you know, i'm quite sure that— is against them. you know, i'm quite sure that there will be a eizeoioie— quite sure that there will be a sizeable number— quite sure that there will be a sizeable number of people that vouio— sizeable number of people that vouio quire— sizeable number of people that would quite like— sizeable number of people that would quite like to see president— would quite like to see president farage or president ionneon— president farage or president ionneon .— president farage or president ionneon . in— president farage or president johnson . i'm not— president farage or president johnson . i'm not one of them. johnson. i'm not one of them. i vouion-r— johnson. i'm not one of them. i wouldn't mind— johnson. i'm not one of them. i wouldn't mind to— johnson. i'm not one of them. i wouldn't mind to see president oiou— wouldn't mind to see president gun, nur— wouldn't mind to see president gun, iour i— wouldn't mind to see president blair, but i know— wouldn't mind to see president blair, but i know there is a eizeoioie— blair, but i know there is a sizeable number of people that vouio— sizeable number of people that vouio savv— sizeable number of people that vouio eov, vou— sizeable number of people that would say, you know, not my greeioenr— would say, you know, not my greeioenr .— would say, you know, not my greeioenr . n,— would say, you know, not my president . it, i— would say, you know, not my president . it, i think a president. it, i think a constitutional monarchy is the beer— constitutional monarchy is the beer rio— constitutional monarchy is the beer no for— constitutional monarchy is the best fit for the _ constitutional monarchy is the best fit for the united kingdom. ano— best fit for the united kingdom. one in— best fit for the united kingdom. one in proud— best fit for the united kingdom. and i'm proud to— best fit for the united kingdom. and i'm proud to have played a enou— and i'm proud to have played a enoii ono— and i'm proud to have played a small and insignificant part in the coronation— small and insignificant part in the coronation ceremony. wow neourirui— the coronation ceremony. wow neourirui ,— the coronation ceremony. wow beautiful , beautiful. beautiful, beautiful. final gueerion— beautiful, beautiful. final gueerion .— beautiful, beautiful. final question . you— beautiful, beautiful. final question . you have a big job for question. you have a big job for the labour party. you're on the front bench as shadow for minister public health. you'd like to be the country's minister for public health. i imagine it happens. certainly not in the bag. but imagine labour wins the election. you're walking at whitehall , you're walking at whitehall, you're going and sitting behind your desk as a health minister. what's the first thing you want to do? well, i think firstly the foe— to do? well, i think firstly the foe rnor— to do? well, i think firstly the no no ir— to do? well, i think firstly the fact that it is— to do? well, i think firstly the fact that it is a—

r:r:::r7 well, i think firstly the fact that it is a prospect, it's nor— fact that it is a prospect, it's nor in— fact that it is a prospect, it's nor in one— fact that it is a prospect, it's not in the bag,— fact that it is a prospect, it's not in the bag, but it is a groegeer— not in the bag, but it is a prospect shows- not in the bag, but it is a prospect shows just how far the ioiour— prospect shows just how far the ioiour nonv— prospect shows just how far the labour party has— prospect shows just how far the labour party has come in a short period— labour party has come in a short period or— labour party has come in a short period or rime— labour party has come in a short period of time and— labour party has come in a short period of time and i don't think we give— period of time and i don't think we give enougn— period of time and i don't think we give enough credit to keir srorner— we give enough credit to keir starmer.pushing- we give enough credit to keir starmer pushing through some starmer for pushing through some very starmer for pushing through some verv—ono— starmer for pushing through some verv—ono enongingl very clear reforms and changing our-ono— very clear reforms and changing our-one gerring- very clear reforms and changing our-and getting it- very clear reforms and changing our and getting it back in our party and getting it back in the our party and getting it back in one gone— our party and getting it back in one gone .— our party and getting it back in one gone . ano— our party and getting it back in the game . and the thing for me the game. and the thing for me is the game. and the thing for me ie gerring— the game. and the thing for me is getting prevention embedded, not is getting prevention embedded, nor iuer— is getting prevention embedded, nor iuer in— is getting prevention embedded, nor iuer in one— is getting prevention embedded, not just in the department for neoirn— not just in the department for neoirn ono— not just in the department for health and social care, but across government departments . across government departments. neuee— across government departments. neuee unri— across government departments. because until we— across government departments. because until we tackle the ingroineo— because until we tackle the ingrained health inequalities onor— ingrained health inequalities rnor oe— ingrained health inequalities rnor ror— ingrained health inequalities that are far too— ingrained health inequalities that are far too prevalent in roo— that are far too prevalent in roo nonv— that are far too prevalent in too many communities across ingionoi— too many communities across ingiono, ve— too many communities across ingiono, ve oe— too many communities across england, we are not going to rookie— england, we are not going to rookie eoe— england, we are not going to tackle some of— england, we are not going to tackle some of the key issues rnor— tackle some of the key issues rnor roee— tackle some of the key issues that face communities in this eouniv— that face communities in this countryr ono— that face communities in this country, and that— that face communities in this country, and that means having benev— country, and that means having better housing,— country, and that means having better housing, better environment, cleaner air, better ieieure— environment, cleaner air, better leisure facilities,— environment, cleaner air, better leisure facilities, better care for one — leisure facilities, better care for the elderly,— leisure facilities, better care for the elderly, better education, _ for the elderly, better education, job opportunities, gaining,— education, job opportunities, training, better— education, job opportunities, training, better transport to get— training, better transport to ger noe— training, better transport to get kids from _ training, better transport to get kids from ,_ training, better transport to get kids from , um, deprived get kids from, um, deprived communities— get kids from, um, deprived communities who are trained up to communities who are trained up ro one— communities who are trained up to access the jobs— communities who are trained up to access the jobs of tomorrow. all to access the jobs of tomorrow. on or— to access the jobs of tomorrow. on or rnoee — to access the jobs of tomorrow.

all of those things— to access the jobs of tomorrow. all of those things actually innoer— all of those things actually ingoer on— all of those things actually impact on somebody's health and veii—being.— impact on somebody's health and veii—being. ir— impact on somebody's health and well—being. it can't— impact on somebody's health and well—being. it can't just sit in a well—being. it can't just sit in o eiio— well—being. it can't just sit in o eiio in— well—being. it can't just sit in o eiio in one— well—being. it can't just sit in a silo in the department for neoirn— a silo in the department for neoirn ono— a silo in the department for health and social care. so we've got health and social care. so we've gor ro— health and social care. so we've gor ro ger— health and social care. so we've gor ro ger o— health and social care. so we've got to get a whole— health and social care. so we've got to get a whole government opprooen— got to get a whole government oggrooen ro— got to get a whole government approach to tackling health inequalities— approach to tackling health inequalities in— approach to tackling health inequalities in this country. we enviou— inequalities in this country. we ended on— inequalities in this country. we ended on a— inequalities in this country. we ended on a bit- inequalities in this country. we ended on a bit of- inequalities in this country. we ended on a bit of politics. there but i have to say, andrew, your description of your battle and winning that battle with your mental health is very timely, but more importantly, life affirming. thank you for coming back to talk to me about it. thank you for having me. conning— it. thank you for having me. conning un— it. thank you for having me. coming up, conservative mp elliot colburn. i had one constituent— elliot colburn. i had one constituent who- cc i had one constituent who had to go, had to constituent who had to go, had ro go— constituent who had to go, had ro go ro— constituent who had to go, had ro go o oneir— constituent who had to go, had to go to their place of worship oove— to go to their place of worship oove o— to go to their place of worship seven days a week and was euiieereo— seven days a week and was eunieereo ro— seven days a week and was subjected to hours and hours of groupe— subjected to hours and hours of grouge or— subjected to hours and hours of groups of religious leaders praying— groups of religious leaders proving over— groups of religious leaders praying over them, literally overrnen— praying over them, literally onen ,— praying over them, literally over them , laying them down and over them, laying them down and noving— over them, laying them down and noving onen— over them, laying them down and noving onen prov— over them, laying them down and having them pray over their podv— having them pray over their bodyv epeoving— having them pray over their body, speaking in tongues and rninge— body, speaking in tongues and rninge rive— body, speaking in tongues and things like that— body, speaking in tongues and things like that ,_ body, speaking in tongues and things like that , saying things things like that, saying things like things like that, saying things iive devin— things like that, saying things like devil, get— things like that, saying things like devil, get out, devil , get like devil, get out, devil, get our.— like devil, get out, devil, get our. um,—

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channel elliot colburn, elected in 2019 as the conservative mp. you're only 30, which means- f you're only 30, which means you got eieereo— only 30, which means you got elected when— only 30, which means you got elected when you— only 30, which means you got elected when you were 27. snouion-r— elected when you were 27. shouldn't you— elected when you were 27. shouldn't you be out partying at onor— shouldn't you be out partying at no ogee — shouldn't you be out partying at no ogee vou— shouldn't you be out partying at that age? you think— shouldn't you be out partying at that age? /r:::rc. 7 c that age? you think so? but it was right place right time for me . my predecessor as the me. my predecessor as the conservative candidate had done a number of attempts at and decided that he really didn't want to put himself through it again. and carshalton and wallington has always been my home. born there. raised there , home. born there. raised there, worked there. the lot at. and i knew that i would regret it if i didn't go for it at that time and someone else had the

privilege to do it. and i didn't know if i'd ever have another opportunity. for me, it was personal. i didn't want to just go to any seat around the country. when went for my country. when i went for my selections , that was the only selections, that was the only one that was for me. so i had to do it at that time and even with everything happened everything that's happened over the years, wouldn't the past few years, i wouldn't change mind. what's been the change my mind. what's been the noroeer— change my mind. what's been the noroeer rning— change my mind. what's been the hardest thing over— change my mind. what's been the hardest thing over the— 5g 5r: what's been the hardest thing over the past few years?— hardest thing over the past few veoree on— hardest thing over the past few veoree on no— hardest thing over the past few years? oh now you're really reering—neenl years? oh now you're really- testing_been many. i testing me. there's been many. i think beginning of the think the beginning of the pandemic the most pandemic was probably the most difficult when we were dealing with team and i were dealing with my team and i were dealing with my team and i were dealing with just a huge volume of correspondence above what correspondence way above what mps normally get. but hearing the heart wrenching stories the most heart wrenching stories of people who were struggling to navigate this new thing that we all , but we had to try and all were, but we had to try and understand the guidance and understand the guidance and understand the guidance and understand the support that was in place very quickly and then try that on to people try and pass that on to people all. we were doing 14, 15 all. and we were doing 14, 15 hour days for about six weeks non—stop to try and get through all of the queries and even even

then we were exhausted. we were absolutely exhausted . and we absolutely exhausted. and we i think that definitely was the hardest. there's been other really tough moments. acas, but i think that it sticks in my mind as the hardest that i've ever had to deal with. okay okay. so you are an out gay man. ive— okay. so you are an out gay man. i've seen a lovely— okay. so you are an out gay man. i've seen a lovely pictures of you— i've seen a lovely pictures of vou virn— i've seen a lovely pictures of vou virn vouv— i've seen a lovely pictures of you with your your your partner. nov— you with your your your partner. nov oio— you with your your your partner. now our were— you with your your your partner. how old were you— you with your your your partner. how old were you when you came our?— how old were you when you came oure — how old were you when you came oure i— how old were you when you came oure i vvo— how old were you when you came oure i ii.— how old were you when you came out? i was 11, relatively- how old were you when you came out? “ g out? i was 11, relatively young. i was really, really lucky- out? “ g i was really, really lucky to nove— i was really, really lucky to nove vvn.— i was really, really lucky to nove vviv. a— i was really, really lucky to have kyiv. a massively eupponive— have kyiv. a massively supportive family and a school, actuallvr— supportive family and a school, aeruoiiv, rnor— supportive family and a school, actually, that was— supportive family and a school, actually, that was quite ahead of ie— actually, that was quite ahead of ie rime— actually, that was quite ahead of its time in— actually, that was quite ahead of its time in teaching rac but in on— of its time in teaching rac but in on ioni— of its time in teaching rac but in an lgbt inclusive y way. refore— in an lgbt inclusive y way. nerore onv— in an lgbt inclusive y way. before any of— in an lgbt inclusive y way. before any of this was mandatory and before any of this was mandatory ono eo— before any of this was mandatory ono eo i— before any of this was mandatory ono eo i woe— before any of this was mandatory and so i was very,— before any of this was mandatory and so i was very, very lucky. i noo— and so i was very, very lucky. i noo o— and so i was very, very lucky. i noo o greor— and so i was very, very lucky. i had a great support mechanism orouno— had a great support mechanism around me and— had a great support mechanism around me and i— had a great support mechanism around me and i think that reoiiv— around me and i think that reoiiv noe— around me and i think that reoiiv o— around me and i think that really was a bit— around me and i think that really was a bit of a shock when i really was a bit of a shock when i gor— really was a bit of a shock when i gor oioer— really was a bit of a shock when i gor oioer ono— really was a bit of a shock when i got older and i— really was a bit of a shock when i got older and i experienced discrimination— i got older and i experienced discrimination for the first rime— discrimination for the first rine or— discrimination for the first rine or eo— discrimination for the first time or saw it— discrimination for the first time or saw it directed at other peopie— time or saw it directed at other peopie peuee— time or saw it directed at other people because to— time or saw it directed at other people because to be brutally noneer,— people because to be brutally pm, for— people because to be brutally honest, for the _ people because to be brutally honest, for the first few years of honest, for the first few years or nv— honest, for the first few years or nv ooun— honest, for the first few years of my adult life,— honest, for the first few years of my adult life, i— honest, for the first few years of my adult life, i didn't

reoiiv— of my adult life, i didn't really experience it. and pernope— really experience it. and perhaps that— really experience it. and perhaps that was naivety because of nov— perhaps that was naivety because or non voung— perhaps that was naivety because or non voung i— perhaps that was naivety because of how young i was.— perhaps that was naivety because of how young i was. but i was inereoipiv— of how young i was. but i was incredibly lucky— of how young i was. but i was incredibly lucky and it was a bit incredibly lucky and it was a bio or— incredibly lucky and it was a bio of o— incredibly lucky and it was a bit of a shock— incredibly lucky and it was a bit of a shock to— incredibly lucky and it was a bit of a shock to me. later on rnor— bit of a shock to me. later on no onor— bit of a shock to me. later on that that sort— bit of a shock to me. later on that that sort of— bit of a shock to me. later on that that sort of prejudice eriii— that that sort of prejudice still existed. _ that that sort of prejudice still existed. ' 5r: that that sort of prejudice still existed. 5r: that that sort of prejudice still existed. ' 5r: c5r:;”r:i; still existed. and is there a moment that sticks in your mind about the prejudice? we're going to come onto something that happened to you as an mp in a moment, but is there something in your normal life when you first remember for gosh, this is this is this is hate? yeah, i think think— this is this is hate? yeah, i think think it— this is this is hate? yeah, i think think it was- 7 yeah, i think think it was actually during— think think it was actually during election campaign during the election campaign before— during the election campaign before-elected- during the election campaign before elected as mp , before i was elected as an mp, i'd before i was elected as an mp, in oivioueiv— before i was elected as an mp, i'd obviously seen— before i was elected as an mp, i'd obviously seen an experience nonopnopio— i'd obviously seen an experience homophobia before now, but i rninv— homophobia before now, but i oninv ir— homophobia before now, but i think it really— homophobia before now, but i think it really hit— homophobia before now, but i think it really hit for home me. inere— think it really hit for home me. inere woe— think it really hit for home me. there was this— think it really hit for home me. there was this moment when i was on vveiiingron— there was this moment when i was on wellington high— there was this moment when i was on wellington high street, one of on wellington high street, one or one— on wellington high street, one or one iorgeer— on wellington high street, one of the largest high streets in of the largest hiin streets in my of the largest high streets in nv poren— of the largest high streets in nv poren, ono— of the largest high streets in my patch, and this guy came up to my patch, and this guy came up ro ne— my patch, and this guy came up ro ne ono— my patch, and this guy came up to me and said— my patch, and this guy came up to me and said i— my patch, and this guy came up to me and said i was going to vore— to me and said i was going to vore ror— to me and said i was going to vore for vou— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i found out rnor— vote for you, but i found out no voure— vote for you, but i found out no voure gov.— vote for you, but i found out that you're gay. that's oieguering.— that you're gay. that's disgusting. i'm voting for the previ— disgusting. i'm voting for the previr nonv— disgusting. i'm voting for the brexit party and— disgusting. i'm voting for the brexit party and i just remember oninving— brexit party and i just remember oninving ro— brexit party and i just remember thinking to myself , brexit party and i just remember thinking to myself, i don't brexit party and i just remember thinking to myself , i don't know thinking to myself, i don't know nov— thinking to myself, i don't know now ro— thinking to myself, i don't know how to respond— thinking to myself, i don't know how to respond to— thinking to myself, i don't know how to respond to that. you're iireroiiv— how to respond to that. you're literally choosing _ how to respond to that. you're literally choosing who you vote for on —

literally choosing who you vote for on o— literally choosing who you vote for on a personal— literally choosing who you vote for on a personal character , for on a personal character, nveie— for on a personal character, nverie. ano— for on a personal character, nverie. one i— for on a personal character, mystic. and i just thought to nveeir— mystic. and i just thought to nveeir ,— mystic. and i just thought to nveeir , wow, — mystic. and i just thought to myself , wow, that's i don't know myself, wow, that's i don't know nov— myself, wow, that's i don't know now ro— myself, wow, that's i don't know now ro reepono— myself, wow, that's i don't know how to respond ._ myself, wow, that's i don't know how to respond . i— myself, wow, that's i don't know how to respond . i don't know how how to respond. i don't know how to how to respond. i don't know how ro reoer— how to respond. i don't know how ro reoer ro— how to respond. i don't know how to react to this. _ how to respond. i don't know how to react to this. and— how to respond. i don't know how to react to this. and i did just eon— to react to this. and i did just eon or— to react to this. and i did just eon or erono— to react to this. and i did just sort of stand there a bit in enoev,— sort of stand there a bit in shock, really.— sort of stand there a bit in shock, really. i— sort of stand there a bit in shock, really. i didn't say onvrning— shock, really. i didn't say anything walked shock, really. i didn't say- anything-walked away anything back. he walked away and anything back. he walked away one nor— anything back. he walked away and that stuck— anything back. he walked away and that stuck with me . and that and that stuck with me. and that eruev— and that stuck with me. and that eruev virn— and that stuck with me. and that eruev virn ne— and that stuck with me. and that stuck with me because i really oion-r— stuck with me because i really oion-r vnov— stuck with me because i really didn't know how— stuck with me because i really didn't know how to react in that eiruorion— didn't know how to react in that situation because _ didn't know how to react in that situation because i— didn't know how to react in that situation because i thought, rnie— situation because i thought, this-irrational.- situation because i thought, this irrational. you know, this is so irrational. you know, you— this is so irrational. you know, vou eouio— this is so irrational. you know, vou eouio nor— this is so irrational. you know, you could not vote— this is so irrational. you know, you could not vote for a poiirieoi— you could not vote for a political party- you could not vote for a political party or candidate political party or a candidate for political party or a candidate rorlnvrioo— political party or a candidate rorlnvrioo or— political party or a candidate for myriad of reasons, but i'm for a myriad of reasons, but i'm nor—one— for a myriad of reasons, but i'm nor—one peer- not sure that's the best orgunenr— not sure that's the best argument to- not sure that's the best argument to make. c c not sure that's the best— argument to make. gosh , it made argument to make. gosh, it made me shiver that it's horrible . me shiver that it's horrible. now, a couple of years ago, you received a letter calling you tory scum and telling you and your boy friend to watch your backs. your boy friend to watch your backs . so did the police catch backs. so did the police catch that person ? no, no, sadly not. that person? no, no, sadly not. ano— that person? no, no, sadly not. one i— that person? no, no, sadly not. one i oo— that person? no, no, sadly not. one i do nor— that person? no, no, sadly not. and i do not for— that person? no, no, sadly not. and i do not for one— 7 no, no, sadly not. and i do not for one minute pione— and i do not for one minute pione one— and i do not for one minute blame the police about that. i unoererono— blame the police about that. i understand how— blame the police about that. i understand how difficult it is to understand how difficult it is o oeruoiiv— understand how difficult it is to actually track— understand how difficult it is to actually track people down, ponieuioriv— to actually track people down, particularly when it's in letter forn— particularly when it's in letter rorn .— particularly when it's in letter rorn . ir— particularly when it's in letter rorn . n voe— particularly when it's in letter form . it was before i had any form. it was before i had any cerv— form. it was before i had any cciv gouge, — form. it was before i had any

cctv footage, so— form. it was before i had any cctv footage, so i- form. it was before i had any cctv footage, so i could not provide— cctv footage, so i could not provide anything _ cctv footage, so i could not provide anything . literally all provide anything. literally all i provide anything. literally all i eouio— provide anything. literally all i could provide— provide anything. literally all i could provide was the letter , i could provide was the letter, ono— i could provide was the letter, on uneeie— i could provide was the letter, and unless they— i could provide was the letter, and unless they were on the poiiee— and unless they were on the police database,— and unless they were on the police database, there was no way— police database, there was no vov ro— police database, there was no vov ro nook— police database, there was no way to track them. but it was eniiiing.— way to track them. but it was eniiiing. ano— way to track them. but it was chilling. and that the first chilling. and that was the first rime— chilling. and that was the first rime-reoiiv— chilling. and that was the first time-really fully- time that i really fully understood— time that i really fully understood effect that time that i really fully- understood -effect that being understood the effect that being an understood the effect that being on iii— understood the effect that being on up eon— understood the effect that being an mp can have— understood the effect that being an mp can have on the people oroun— an mp can have on the people orouno vou— an mp can have on the people around you because do make around you because we do make eoeririeee. — around you because we do make eoeririeee. -ve— around you because we do make sacrifices.-we ask- around you because we do make sacrifices. we ask the sacrifices. but we ask the peopie— sacrifices. but we ask the peopie in— sacrifices. but we ask the people in-lives,- sacrifices. but we ask the people in lives, our people in our lives, our uenee,— people in our lives, our friends, our— people in our lives, our friends, our family, our loved ro— friends, our family, our loved ro pur— friends, our family, our loved ro pur up— friends, our family, our loved ones to put up with a lot. my mum.— ones to put up with a lot. my ror— ones to put up with a lot. my mum, for example , has come mum, for example, has come eonpiereiv— mum, for example, has come completely-social- mum, for example, has come completely social media. completely off social media. she ooeen-r— completely off social media. she ooeen-r-reoo,— completely off social media. she doesn't read, doesn't doesn't want to read, doesn't nonr— doesn't want to read, doesn't vonr—vou- doesn't want to read, doesn't want-you know. i doesn't want to read, doesn't. want-you know. and want to read it, you know. and i an,— want to read it, you know. and i an, wen,— want to read it, you know. and i an, wen, vou— want to read it, you know. and i said, well, you know, do you won— said, well, you know, do you won ro — said, well, you know, do you won ro puer— said, well, you know, do you want to just come off some of oneee— want to just come off some of oneee groupee— want to just come off some of these groups? do— want to just come off some of these groups? do you want to unroiiov— these groups? do you want to unroiiov nv— these groups? do you want to unfollow my page and stuff so rnor— unfollow my page and stuff so no vou— unfollow my page and stuff so no vou-erov— unfollow my page and stuff so that you stay contact that you can stay in contact virn— that you can stay in contact with -friends- that you can stay in contact with -friends but- that you can stay in contact with friends but not see with your friends but not see vnor— with your friends but not see vnor-eov— with your friends but not see vnor-eov-neel with your friends but not see. what-say-me? and what people say about me? and she what people say about me? and ene upg— what people say about me? and ene an, no— what people say about me? and she said, no, i'd— what people say about me? and she said, no, i'd just be too renpreo— she said, no, i'd just be too renpreo ono— she said, no, i'd just be too tempted and it's- she said, no, i'd just be too tempted and it's too hard. but we oo— tempted and it's too hard. but we do oev— tempted and it's too hard. but we do ask people— tempted and it's too hard. but we do ask people up with we do ask people to put up with a we do ask people to put up with owner— we do ask people to put up with owner rnor— we do ask people to put up with a-and that was— we do ask people to put up with a-and that was the- we do ask people to put up with a and that was the first a lot. and that was the first rime— a lot. and that was the first rine i— a lot. and that was the first time i think— a lot. and that was the first time i think i— a lot. and that was the first time i think i fully appreciated vnor— time i think i fully appreciated vnor ve— time i think i fully appreciated vnor ve oev— time i think i fully appreciated what we ask the— time i think i fully appreciated what we ask the people around us to what we ask the people around us ro—rnor- what we ask the people around us ro—rnor voo- what we ask the people around us ro—rnor inl to put up with. so that was in 2021. really. that was the 2021. hope really. that was the last horrible incident of abuse that you've been subject to, is that you've been subject to, is that right? 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yeah now let's have a look at some of the campaigns that you were involved in. of course, you're a constituency mp, as lord dannatt is written about what you do locally, you've called for lgb plus conversion therapy to be made illegal by therapy to be made illegal by the government. say that they're going to, but they've been saying that for quite a while now. why are they dragging their feet and what are you going to do to stop the feet dragging on this? no, you're absolutely right. we have now got a right. we have now got to a pioee— right. we have now got to a place-thankfully,- ” g5 we have now got to a place thankfully, we right. we have now got to a- place -thankfully, we have place where, thankfully, we have , i place where, thankfully, we have , i pin, — place where, thankfully, we have , i pin, gor— place where, thankfully, we have , i pin, gor o— place where, thankfully, we have , i think, got a settled ogreenenr— , i think, got a settled agreement with the government , i think, got a settled agre they it with the government , i think, got a settled agre they are th the government , i think, got a settled agre they are going government , i think, got a settled agre they are going godo nment , i think, got a settled agre they are going godo this. it that they are going to do this. as that they are going to do this. ae vou— that they are going to do this. ae vou know,— that they are going to do this. as you know, there was a lot of onuerion — as you know, there was a lot of onuerion oe— as you know, there was a lot of confusion as to _ as you know, there was a lot of confusion as to whether it would noppen— confusion as to whether it would noppen or— confusion as to whether it would noppen or oiu— confusion as to whether it would happen at all, whether or not it vouio— happen at all, whether or not it vouio-rne— happen at all, whether or not it would-the entirety- happen at all, whether or not it would the entirety of would include the entirety of the-community. - would include the entirety of the community. are would include the entirety of- the -community. - are now the lgbt+ community. we are now voiring— the lgbt+ community. we are now voiring ror— the lgbt+ community. we are now voiring for one— the lgbt+ community. we are now waiting for the announcement of vnor— waiting for the announcement of what pre—legislative what we call pre—legislative eeruinv— what we call pre—legislative scrutiny, which _ what we call pre—legislative scrutiny, which is quite an unueuoi— scrutiny, which is quite an unusual tool— scrutiny, which is quite an unusual tool for parliament to ae— unusual tool for parliament to ae vou— unusual tool for parliament to use. as you know— unusual tool for parliament to use. as you know before you're preeenring— use. as you know before you're preeenring o— use. as you know before you're preeenring o-ro— use. as you know before you're presenting a to parliament. presenting a bill to parliament. vvnor— presenting a bill to parliament. what-concerned- presenting a bill to parliament. what concerned about at presenting a bill to parliament. whrmomentzoncerned about at presenting a bill to parliament. whrmoment isicerned about at presenting a bill to parliament. whrmoment is thosel about at presenting a bill to parliament. whrmoment is those of bout at presenting a bill to parliament. whrmoment is those of usit at presenting a bill to parliament.

whrmoment is those of us who the moment is those of us who are the moment is those of us who eonpoigning— the moment is those of us who are campaigning on this is that we've been waiting for that now for eoe— we've been waiting for that now for rime— we've been waiting for that now for some time and— we've been waiting for that now for some time and we're about to eonelrne— for some time and we're about to eonelrne eno— for some time and we're about to come-the end of— for some time and we're about to come-the end of the- come to the end of the parliamentary we parliamentary session on. we nonr— parliamentary session on. we vonr—on- parliamentary session on. we vonr—orr one| want to just get this off the ground. — want to just get this off the ground. ire— want to just get this off the ground. it's relatively straightforward authored legislation. _ straightforward authored legislation. is . all legislation. it really is. all it legislation. it really is. all irloeving— legislation. it really is. all irloeving ie— legislation. it really is. all itlasking is for- legislation. it really is. all it asking is for no one to be it is asking is for no one to be eupieereo— it is asking is for no one to be eupieereo ro— it is asking is for no one to be subjected to abuse because of neu— subjected to abuse because of their identity— subjected to abuse because of their identity ._ subjected to abuse because of their identity . and it's their identity. and it's a reioriveiv— their identity. and it's a relatively simple concept in my mind.— relatively simple concept in my mind. nur— relatively simple concept in my mind. but sadly— relatively simple concept in my mind. but sadly because of the verv— mind. but sadly because of the verv iouo— mind. but sadly because of the verv iouo ono— mind. but sadly because of the very loud and toxic debate that noe— very loud and toxic debate that noe eroneo— very loud and toxic debate that has started particularly around the has started particularly around one none— has started particularly around the trans community, but other pone— the trans community, but other pone or— the trans community, but other pone or one— the trans community, but other parts of the lgbt— the trans community, but other parts of the lgbt community as veii— parts of the lgbt community as veii ,— parts of the lgbt community as veii , i— parts of the lgbt community as wen, i rninv— parts of the lgbt community as well, i think that's the reason rnor— well, i think that's the reason no onere-e— well, i think that's the reason that there's been— well, i think that's the reason that there's been such a delay peuee— that there's been such a delay because as the _ that there's been such a delay because as the government i rninv— because as the government i oninv oe— because as the government i think are struggling, struggling to think are struggling, struggling ro novigore— think are struggling, struggling to navigate that— think are struggling, struggling to navigate that minefield . to navigate that minefield. nove— to navigate that minefield. nove vou— to navigate that minefield. nove vou ner— to navigate that minefield. have you met any,- to navigate that minefield. have you met any, any- to navigate that minefield. have you met any, any anyone own friends or constituents who have been subject or who've been through conversion and so—called conversion therapy? yes sadly. and a range of them as well, some from years— and a range of them as well, some from years ago, who were eupieereo — some from years ago, who were eupieereo ro— some from years ago, who were subjected to practises that, of course, are already illegal. puer— course, are already illegal. just detailed— course, are already illegal. just detailed some- course, are already illegal. just detailed some examples. course, are already illegal.

just detailed some examples . you just detailed some examples. you don't need to name any names, but just so people understand what conversion therapy entails. so some of the more recent evonpiee— so some of the more recent evonpiee ive— so some of the more recent examples i've from examples i've had from constituents— examples i've had from constituents who are being eupieereo— constituents who are being eupieereo ro— constituents who are being subjected to things that are eriii— subjected to things that are eriii-ore— subjected to things that are still-are things- subjected to things that are still are things such as still legal are things such as deliverance, _ still legal are things such as deliverance, prayer, exorcism irene— deliverance, prayer, exorcism irene ono— deliverance, prayer, exorcism items and things like that. i noo— items and things like that. i noo one— items and things like that. i had one constituent who who had to had one constituent who who had ro go— had one constituent who who had ro go noo— had one constituent who who had ro go noo ro— had one constituent who who had ro go noo ro go— had one constituent who who had ro go noo ro go ro— had one constituent who who had to go had to go to their place of to go had to go to their place or vorenip— to go had to go to their place of worship seven _ to go had to go to their place of worship seven days a week and eupieereo— of worship seven days a week and was subjected to— of worship seven days a week and was subjected to hours and hours of was subjected to hours and hours or groupe— was subjected to hours and hours or groupe or— was subjected to hours and hours of groups of religious leaders prav— of groups of religious leaders pray ,_ of groups of religious leaders pray , praying— of groups of religious leaders pray , praying over them, pray, praying over them, iireroiiv— pray, praying over them, literally over— pray, praying over them, literally over them, laying them down— literally over them, laying them down one — literally over them, laying them down and having— literally over them, laying them down and having them pray over onei— down and having them pray over oneir podv— down and having them pray over their body, speaking in tongues and their body, speaking in tongues ono rninge— their body, speaking in tongues and things like— their body, speaking in tongues and things like that , saying and things like that, saying rninge— and things like that, saying rninge rive— and things like that, saying things like devil, get out, oevii— things like devil, get out, oevii ger— things like devil, get out, devil get out. _ things like devil, get out, devil get out. and that is a torn— devil get out. and that is a porn ro— devil get out. and that is a porn ro ne— devil get out. and that is a form to me that— devil get out. and that is a form to me that is a form of enorionoi— form to me that is a form of emotional abuse— form to me that is a form of emotional abuse . and i even go emotional abuse. and i even go so emotional abuse. and i even go eo ror— emotional abuse. and i even go eo for oe— emotional abuse. and i even go eo for oe ro— emotional abuse. and i even go eo for oe ro eov— emotional abuse. and i even go so far as to say it's— emotional abuse. and i even go so far as to say it's torture. inor-e— so far as to say it's torture. inor-e o— so far as to say it's torture. inor-e o ror— so far as to say it's torture. that's a lot to— so far as to say it's torture. that's a lot to subject someone to. that's a lot to subject someone ro. ano— that's a lot to subject someone o one nor— that's a lot to subject someone to. and that still— that's a lot to subject someone to. and that still happening in our to. and that still happening in eounrrv— to. and that still happening in our country today. of course, a lot our country today. of course, a or or— our country today. of course, a or or one— our country today. of course, a lot of the stories— our country today. of course, a lot of the stories that you hear of lot of the stories that you hear or enoev— lot of the stories that you hear of shock therapy,— lot of the stories that you hear of shock therapy, of corrective rope— of shock therapy, of corrective rope ono— of shock therapy, of corrective rape and things— of shock therapy, of corrective rape and things like that, of course, they're— rape and things like that, of course, they're already illegal ono—

course, they're already illegal ono ve— course, they're already illegal and we absolutely accept that. our— and we absolutely accept that. our onee— and we absolutely accept that. our onere oe— and we absolutely accept that. but there are practises pseudo reiigioue— but there are practises pseudo reiigioue ono— but there are practises pseudo religious and pseudo psychological practises that are eriii— psychological practises that are eriii noppening— psychological practises that are still happening today , dressed still happening today, dressed up—rneropv- still happening today, dressedi up—rneropv vnien up as legitimate therapy which eeev— up as legitimate therapy which eeev ro— up as legitimate therapy which seek to change— up as legitimate therapy which seek to change someone's ioenrirv. — seek to change someone's identity. and— seek to change someone's identity. and that's what i eon-r— identity. and that's what i don't think— identity. and that's what i don't think is— identity. and that's what i don't think is right. 5: don't think is right. and you've oieo— don't think is right. and you've oieo eoie— don't think is right. and you've also said previously that you're 100% fighting for trans rights. what in particular are you fighting for? is there anything in to particular be honest, how i view that has changed slightly over the years is originally when i first got elected, i thought it was just delivering on the 2018 action plan, but now for me, the number one priority is trying to take the heat out of the national discussion around trans issues because there is a lot of misinformation out there, but there's also a lot of anger and there are legitimate conversations to be had and there are legitimate concerns that need to be addressed. and i think actually the addressed. and i think actually one numero— addressed. and i think actually the number one— 5r:r: : and i think actually the number one priority at the rnornenr— the number one priority at the rnornenr ie— the number one priority at the moment is finding a way to novigore— moment is finding a way to novigore-eo- moment is finding a way to navigate-so that. moment is finding a way to navigate-so that can navigate through so that we can nove— navigate through so that we can nove o— navigate through so that we can have a respectful— navigate through so that we can have a respectful conversation on have a respectful conversation -oieeue rnor- have a respectful conversation on-issue that i- have a respectful conversation on issue that i wouldn't on on the issue that i wouldn't nove— on on the issue that i wouldn't nove eoie—

on on the issue that i wouldn't nove eoio o— on on the issue that i wouldn't have said a few— on on the issue that i wouldn't have said a few years ago peuee— have said a few years ago peuee i— have said a few years ago because i just— have said a few years ago because i just assumed that we going— because i just assumed that we going ro— because i just assumed that we going ro go— because i just assumed that we were going to go ahead with what was were going to go ahead with what oireoov— were going to go ahead with what oireoov in— were going to go ahead with what was already in place . but there was already in place. but there noe— was already in place. but there noe been— was already in place. but there has been this— was already in place. but there has been this massive furore and i has been this massive furore and i rninv— has been this massive furore and i oninv ve— has been this massive furore and i think we really— has been this massive furore and i think we really do— has been this massive furore and i think we really do need to try ono— i think we really do need to try one rove— i think we really do need to try one rove one— i think we really do need to try and take the heat— i think we really do need to try and take the heat out of it. rinoi— and take the heat out of it. final question,— and take the heat out of it. final question, a bit of poiiriee. — final question, a bit of politics. so- final question, a bit of politics. final question, a bit of- politics. so you took the seat at the last election for the first time from when you were first time from when you were first elected. you took the seat from the liberal democrats. a majority 600. so this from the liberal democrats. a m the ty 600. so this from the liberal democrats. a mthe blue 600. so this from the liberal democrats. a mthe blue wall 600. so this from the liberal democrats. a mthe blue wall thatd. so this from the liberal democrats. a m the blue wall that we're this is the blue wall that we're talking about here. yeah, lots of focus the red wall, but of focus on the red wall, but also the received wisdom is that the conservatives are going to have problem, perhaps have a problem, perhaps a bigger problem blue wall. can problem in in the blue wall. can you tell in a sentence or two you tell me in a sentence or two what need do to maintain what you need to do to maintain what you need to do to maintain what conservatives need to what the conservatives need to do that coalition do to maintain that coalition that you represent very quickly nationally demonstrate economic competence? again , locally competence? again, locally demonstrate— competence? again, locally demonstrate that- {555 55.57” again, locally demonstrate that you are a norovorving— demonstrate that you are a hardworking local champion there for hardworking local champion there ror one— hardworking local champion there for one peopie— hardworking local champion there for the people that— hardworking local champion there for the people that you repreeenr— for the people that you represent and that they weren't wrong— represent and that they weren't vrong ro— represent and that they weren't vrong ro pur— represent and that they weren't wrong to put their— represent and that they weren't wrong to put their trust in you in one— wrong to put their trust in you in one river— wrong to put their trust in you in the first place. _ wrong to put their trust in you in the first place. and that's preeieeiv— in the first place. and that's precisely what _ in the first place. and that's precisely what i'm trying to demonstrate— precisely what i'm trying to demonstrate to— precisely what i'm trying to demonstrate to my carshalton and

vvoiiingron— demonstrate to my carshalton and wallington constituents. cc wallington constituents. elliot cerium.— wallington constituents. elliot colburn, - been _ wallington constituents. elliot colburn, -been a _ wallington constituents. elliot colburn, been a pleasure. colburn, it's been a pleasure. thank you very much . thank you. thank you very much. thanks for watching. back next sunday at 6:00 for gloria meets . hello there. welcome to your gb . hello there. welcome to your on uene— . hello there. welcome to your gb news weather— hello there. welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the gb news weather forecast from one ner— gb news weather forecast from the met office. _ gb news weather forecast from the met office. i'm craig snell. iooving— the met office. i'm craig snell. looking ahead— the met office. i'm craig snell. looking ahead to— the met office. i'm craig snell. looking ahead to the week ahead, noer— looking ahead to the week ahead, noer or— looking ahead to the week ahead, noer or ue— looking ahead to the week ahead, noer or ire— looking ahead to the week ahead, most of us, it's going to be noiniv— most of us, it's going to be noiniv orv— most of us, it's going to be noiniv orv ono— most of us, it's going to be mainly dry and unsettled. inere-ii— mainly dry and unsettled. there'll be— mainly dry and unsettled. there'll be little bit of rain there'll be a little bit of rain fron— there'll be a little bit of rain non rime— there'll be a little bit of rain from time to— there'll be a little bit of rain from time to time across the far nonn— from time to time across the far nonn. ano— from time to time across the far north. and that's— from time to time across the far north. and that's really how going— north. and that's really how going ro— north. and that's really how we're going to end the weekend. we —eiruoreoi we have this cold front situated across and northern across scotland and northern ireionoi—o- across scotland and northern ireland,_a focus| ireland, so that'll be a focus of ireland, so that'll be a focus or—ono- ireland, so that'll be a focus or—ono roin- ireland, so that'll be a focus. of_and rain tonight of some cloud and rain tonight to of some cloud and rain tonight ro one— of some cloud and rain tonight ro one eourn— of some cloud and rain tonight to the south of— of some cloud and rain tonight to the south of it.— of some cloud and rain tonight to the south of it. high pressure building in the next. signe— pressure building in the next. signelrninge— pressure building in the next. signs-things to— pressure building in the next. signs things to as we go signs of things to come as we go rnrougn— signs of things to come as we go onrougn one— signs of things to come as we go through the week— signs of things to come as we go through the week ahead. so you can through the week ahead. so you eon-oiour— through the week ahead. so you can -cloud-rain- can see the cloud and rain across northern ireland and scoring.— across northern ireland and scotland. mainly scotland. the rain mainly roeueeeo— scotland. the rain mainly focussed eastern and focussed across eastern and eenrroi— central scotland as we go onrougn— central scotland as we go rnrougn one— central scotland as we go through the course of the night. ingiono— through the course of the night. ingiono ono— through the course of the night. england and wales largely dry, eieoreer— england and wales largely dry, clearest-the— england and wales largely dry, clearest-the skies- clearest of the skies out rovoroe— clearest of the skies out towards-so. clearest of the skies out. towards-so here towards the west. so here oeruoiiv— towards the west. so here actually turning chilly actually turning quite chilly once-ror— actually turning quite chilly once -for the- actually turning quite chilly once for the time year once again for the time of year ,_wpn- once again for the time of year ,_wpn puer- once again for the time of yeari ,_wpn iuer , some low cloud will just move in across some eastern coast as we go— in across some eastern coast as we go onrougn— in across some eastern coast as we go rnrougn one— in across some eastern coast as we go through the course of the nignr. —guire- we go through the course of the night._quite slow night. and that'll be quite slow to night. and that'll be quite slow ro-oe— night. and that'll be quite slow

ro-oe ve— night. and that'll be quite slow ro-oe we go— night. and that'll be quite slow to as we go through monday to clear as we go through monday lone— to clear as we go through monday lone-or— to clear as we go through monday ..the -of sunshine - to clear as we go through monday . the of sunshine monday . so the best of sunshine monday morning—onei morning will be over towards the vveeernr— morning will be over towards the vveeernr non— morning will be over towards the western half-the— morning will be over towards the western half the uk. still western half of the uk. still oiouo— western half of the uk. still some cloud and— western half of the uk. still some cloud and outbreaks rain some cloud and outbreaks of rain non—nonr- some cloud and outbreaks of rain from _front across. from that weather front across eoeerrn— from that weather front across eoeern-nur- from that weather front acrossi eoerern-nur-go eastern scotland. but as we go onrougn— eastern scotland. but as we go onrougn one— eastern scotland. but as we go through the course of the orrernoon— through the course of the afternoon, conditions improve in the afternoon, conditions improve in one-rore— afternoon, conditions improve in one-iore or— afternoon, conditions improve in the-lots of.seeing. the east. so lots of us seeing some sunshine,— the east. so lots of us seeing some sunshine, the time, some sunshine, but all the time, peer— some sunshine, but all the time, peer-viii— some sunshine, but all the time, peer-viii pe— some sunshine, but all the time, best-will be over- best of that will be over rovoroe— best of that will be over- towards—we'll best of that will be over- towards_we'll see towards the west where we'll see renperoruree— towards the west where we'll see temperatures around 23, temperatures reaching around 23, poeeipiv— temperatures reaching around 23, poeeipiv even— temperatures reaching around 23, poeeipiv ze— temperatures reaching around 23, possibly even 24 degrees into the possibly even 24 degrees into one evening.— possibly even 24 degrees into the evening. there could be a nev— the evening. there could be a riev or— the evening. there could be a riev of o— the evening. there could be a riev of o rev— the evening. there could be a risk of a few showers across the ienniee— risk of a few showers across the iennnee pur— risk of a few showers across the pennines, but they— risk of a few showers across the pennines, but they will quickly oieoppeor— pennines, but they will quickly oieoppeor oe— pennines, but they will quickly disappear as we— pennines, but they will quickly disappear as we go through the course of the— disappear as we go through the course of the night. and for noer— course of the night. and for noerlve— course of the night. and for most-we start- course of the night. and for most we start tuesday most as we start tuesday morning,— most as we start tuesday morning, ire— most as we start tuesday morning, it's going to be fairly eieor— morning, it's going to be fairly eieor our— morning, it's going to be fairly clear out there,— morning, it's going to be fairly clear out there, but quite eniiiv— clear out there, but quite eniiiv-ror- clear out there, but quite chilly -for-time| clear out there, but quite l chilly -for-time of chilly again for the time of veor.— chilly again for the time of veor—oog- chilly again for the time of year._odd misti chilly again for the time of. year._odd mist and chilly again for the time of- year._odd mist and fog year. maybe the odd mist and fog poren—rovne- year. maybe the odd mist and fog patch,_towns and. patch, but for most towns and einee— patch, but for most towns and cities, probably— patch, but for most towns and cities, probably not falling muon— cities, probably not falling nuen—e- cities, probably not falling nuen—eliol cities, probably not falling- much _8.10 degrees. much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. but much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. our-one— much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. but the countryside, but in the countryside, eenoiniv— but in the countryside, certainly little bit lower certainly a little bit lower rnon— certainly a little bit lower non-.— certainly a little bit lower onon- nur— certainly a little bit lower than . but overall, tuesday, than this. but overall, tuesday, we than this. but overall, tuesday, ve eron— than this. but overall, tuesday, ve eron orr— than this. but overall, tuesday, we start off on— than this. but overall, tuesday, we start off on another fairly irignr— we start off on another fairly prignr ono— we start off on another fairly bright and sunny note, some oiouo— bright and sunny note, some oiouo ono— bright and sunny note, some cloud and some— bright and sunny note, some cloud and some outbreaks of rain just cloud and some outbreaks of rain iuer noving— cloud and some outbreaks of rain iuer moving in— cloud and some outbreaks of rain just moving in across the very far just moving in across the very for nonn— just moving in across the very for noun or— just moving in across the very far north of scotland at times during— far north of scotland at times during one— far north of scotland at times during the course— far north of scotland at times during the course of tuesday. nur— during the course of tuesday. our ror— during the course of tuesday. our for noeg— during the course of tuesday. but for most, another lovely eunnv— but for most, another lovely eunnv-ono— but for most, another lovely sunny and feeling but for most, another lovely sunny-and feeling warm sunny day and feeling quite warm inon—e ogoin-

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channel good evening. i'm ray addison in the story in the newsroom our top story tonight. leaders are tonight. opposition leaders are calling investigation calling for an investigation after it was alleged that the home secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her driving licence for speeding last summer. the sunday times reports that suella braverman asked a civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course instead. shadow home secretary yvette cooper described the allegations as shocking , saying allegations as shocking, saying that ms braverman's role is to uphold the law. when asked about the claims, the prime minister declined to publicly defend her.