don't know the full details of i don't know the full details of what— i don't know the full details of what has— i don't know the full details of what has happened, nor have i spoken— what has happened, nor have i spoken to— what has happened, nor have i spoken to the— what has happened, nor have i spoken to the home secretary. i think— spoken to the home secretary. i nnknk yon— spoken to the home secretary. i nnknk you can— spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see— spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see firsthand what kne— think you can see firsthand what we keen— think you can see firsthand what we been nong— think you can see firsthand what i've been doing over the last day— i've been doing over the last day on— i've been doing over the last day on so— i've been doing over the last day on nun— i've been doing over the last day or so, but i— i've been doing over the last day or so, but i understand that sne-s— day or so, but i understand that she's expressed— day or so, but i understand that she's expressed regret for speeding,— she's expressed regret for speeding, accepted the penalty and speeding, accepted the penalty nnn paid— speeding, accepted the penalty and paid kne— speeding, accepted the penalty and paid the fine— speeding, accepted the penalty and paid the fine . rikki“ ck" and paid the fine. well, on the finn— and paid the fine. well, on the final day of the g7 summit in japan , in world leaders have set japan, in world leaders have set out their plans to tackle aggression from china. the prime minister, rishi sunak, said beijing poses the biggest challenge to global security, being the only country with both the means and intent to reshape the means and intent to reshape the world order. us president joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity within the g7 to reduce china's risk to international security . we're international security. we're not looking to f ” we're not looking to decouple from cnknn. — not looking to decouple from cnknn. kenn— not looking to decouple from china. we're looking to de—risk ann— china. we're looking to de—risk and diversify— china. we're looking to de—risk and diversify our— china. we're looking to de—risk and diversify our relationship nnn— and diversify our relationship nnn cm...— and diversify our relationship with china. that— and diversify our relationship with china. that means taking steps— with china. that means taking steps no— with china. that means taking steps to diversify— with china. that means taking steps to diversify our supply mains.— steps to diversify our supply cnnns. ann— steps to diversify our supply chains. and we're not so we're non— chains. and we're not so we're non dependent— chains. and we're not so we're not dependent on— chains. and we're not so we're not dependent on any one country for our— not dependent on any one country for necessary— not dependent on any one country for our necessary product. it

means resisting— for our necessary product. it means resisting economic coercion together , other and coercion together, other and eennnenne— coercion together, other and countering harmful practises snee— countering harmful practises knee nun— countering harmful practises that hurt our— countering harmful practises that hurt our workers. it means pneneenne— that hurt our workers. it means pneneenne e— that hurt our workers. it means protecting a narrow set of advanced— protecting a narrow set of advanced technologies critical for advanced technologies critical nen en— advanced technologies critical for our national— advanced technologies critical for our national security . the for our national security. the president— for our national security. the ptesttent et— for our national security. the president of ukraine has addressed— president of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7 addressed world leaders at the st snnntt— addressed world leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident tnet— g7 summit, saying he's confident tnet ktev-s— g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peaceful mula has the that kiev's peaceful mula has tne petenttet— that kiev's peaceful mula has the potential to— that kiev's peaceful mula has the potential to prevent future wars. he's thanked- the potential to prevent future wars. " wars. he's thanked western allies for their ongoing support, including receiving american made f—16 jets and the training of ukrainian pilots. acas volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims that the russian mercenary wagner group has captured the city of bakhmut . back here, three people have been taken to hospital after a double decker bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the vehicle struck the underside of a railway bndge the underside of a railway bridge in tradeston this morning, shearing its roof off and becoming wedged stuck. police temporarily closed a number of roads while passengers were treated at the scene. all trains were stopped and

engineers from network rail scotland were brought in to check that the bridge was safe to reopen . and the prince of to reopen. and the prince of wales has joined royal navy submariners preparing to take on a transatlantic rowing challenge . farage. the duke of cambridge released a video of his visit to a training session organised by the hms audacious crew in 2019. they began raising money to support the mental health of colleagues. so far they've raised . over £110,000. we're on raised. over £110,000. we're on tv online on dab radio and on tune to in this is gb news. now back to free speech nation . away back to free speech nation. away . glasgow city council and tfl advertise posts for non—whites only an nhs form asks patients to choose from 18 genders and

experts decide to rebrand obesity as chronic appetite dysregulation in this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speeen— speech nation. welcome to free speeen netten— speech nation. welcome to free speech nation with— speech nation. welcome to free speech nation with me- f pact" welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle— speech nation with me andrew pekte .— speech nation with me andrew pepte . tnts— speech nation with me andrew pepte . tnts ts— speech nation with me andrew doyle . this is the— speech nation with me andrew doyle . this is the show where we doyle. this is the show where we take— doyle. this is the show where we take a— doyle. this is the show where we take a teek— doyle. this is the show where we take a took at— doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture, current ettetns— take a look at culture, current ettetns ent— take a look at culture, current affairs and politics and of course, we'll— affairs and politics and of course, we'll have the latest tren— course, we'll have the latest from -friendly_ course, we'll have the latest from friendly neighbourhood from our friendly neighbourhood enttnne— from our friendly neighbourhood suture-es— from our friendly neighbourhood culture-as they- culture warriors as they eenttnne— culture warriors as they continue their mission to cancel pretty— pretty much every aspect of needn— pretty much every aspect of meets-- pretty much every aspect ofi modern_. coming pretty much every aspect of- modern_. coming up modern civilisation. coming up on modern civilisation. coming up en-snen— modern civilisation. coming up on-show tonight,- modern civilisation. coming up on show tonight, chris on the show tonight, chris ttsten— on the show tonight, chris ttsten ts— on the show tonight, chris elston is an— on the show tonight, chris elston is an activist who tenets— elston is an activist who travels -world - elston is an activist who travels world under his travels the world under his atten— travels the world under his alter. billboard- travels the world under his alter billboard chris, he alter ego billboard chris, as he ntpnttpnts— alter ego billboard chris, as he ntpnttpnts tne— alter ego billboard chris, as he highlights the trouble with gentee— highlights the trouble with gender ideology. and he's going to gender ideology. and he's going teltetntnp— gender ideology. and he's going toljoining us— gender ideology. and he's going to.joining us-in- gender ideology. and he's going to joining us in the to be joining us live in the stutte— to be joining us live in the stutte. k— to be joining us live in the studio. a-topic- to be joining us live in the studio. a topic at the studio. a hot topic at the moment— studio. a hot topic at the moment ts— studio. a hot topic at the moment is parents taking their entttnen— moment is parents taking their children-holiday- moment is parents taking their children holiday during children away on holiday during term— children away on holiday during tern-enter— children away on holiday during term -order to- children away on holiday during term -order to get- term time in order to get steeper— term time in order to get cheaper prices. - term time in order to get cheaper prices. we've all done tnet— cheaper prices. we've all done tnet .— cheaper prices. we've all done tnet intu— cheaper prices. we've all done that . will speaking to a that. we will be speaking to a netnen— that. we will be speaking to a mother-does— that. we will be speaking to a mother- does just- that. we will be speaking to a mother does just that and an mother who does just that and an etneettenet— mother who does just that and an educational-as— mother who does just that and an educational-as well. - mother who does just that and an educational as well. and educational expert as well. and why— educational expert as well. and nnk neve— educational expert as well. and nnp nave tne— educational expert as well. and why have the royal of why have the royal society of cnentstn— why have the royal society of chemistry published article chemistry published an article nnten—teek- chemistry published an article which—back the- which appears to back the snpptessten— which appears to back the suppression of— which appears to back the suppression of free speech? dr.

john— suppression of free speech? dr. john armstrong— suppression of free speech? dr. john armstrong will be here to try ent— john armstrong will be here to try and exptetn— john armstrong will be here to try and explain. and of course, nksett— try and explain. and of course, npsett ent— try and explain. and of course, npsett end my— try and explain. and of course, myself and my fantastic panel nttt— myself and my fantastic panel will-answering— myself and my fantastic panel will answering questions from myself and my fantastic panel willbeautifulzring questions from myself and my fantastic panel willbeautiful studio uestions from myself and my fantastic panel willbeautiful studio audience. om our beautiful studio audience. all our beautiful studio audience. ktt tnet— our beautiful studio audience. all that-much,- our beautiful studio audience. all that much, much more. all that and much, much more. nut— all that and much, much more. nut-tet— all that and much, much more. nut-tet ne— all that and much, much more. but let me introduce my but first, let me introduce my tne— but first, let me introduce my two comedian— but first, let me introduce my two comedian panellists. tentett— two comedian panellists. tentpnt, ._ two comedian panellists. tonight, i have cressida wetton ent—.— tonight, i have cressida wetton ent—. weteene- tonight, i have cressida wetton and . welcome both tonight, i have cressida wetton. and_. welcome both . and josh howie. welcome both. new-s— and josh howie. welcome both. new-s kenn— and josh howie. welcome both. how's your week— and josh howie. welcome both. how's your week been, josh ? it's how's your week been, josh? it's teen— how's your week been, josh? it's teen pest. — how's your week been, josh? it's teen pest. tne— how's your week been, josh? it's been good. i've been- how's your week been, josh? it's been good. " g 93 g been good. i've been gigging this weekend. oh, have you the day job or night job as a comic? yes. and i've had six walkouts. that's not bad for you. well, it's not bad. mean, let's walk it's not bad. i mean, let's walk out. people like starting fights and getting kicked it and getting kicked out. it definitely nothing do definitely was nothing to do with me. what is you were with me. what is it you were tetnp— with me. what is it you were tetnp en— with me. what is it you were tetnp en-netnp- with me. what is it you were doing on-being too. with me. what is it you were- doing on-being too funny. doing on stage? being too funny. teepte— doing on stage? being too funny. teepte-yen— doing on stage? being too funny. teens-yen pet— doing on stage? being too funny. teens-yen pet a— doing on stage? being too funny. people,-you get a lot- doing on stage? being too funny. people,-you get a lot of- people, can't you get a lot of walkouts, cressida? not . not six walkouts, cressida? not. not six at a walkouts, cressida? not. not six et a tne.— walkouts, cressida? not. not six et a ttne. ne.— walkouts, cressida? not. not six at a time. no. that's— tilting»; c:7 not. not six at a time. no. that's what i esptne— at a time. no. that's what i esptne ts.— at a time. no. that's what i aspire to. yes.— at a time. no. that's what i aspire to. yes. i— at a time. no. that's what i aspire to. yes. i mean, it sennst— aspire to. yes. i mean, it sounds like— aspire to. yes. i mean, it sounds like a- aspire to. yes. i mean, it sounds like a family meal. maybe- — sounds like a family meal. maybe. thank— sounds like a family meal. maybe. thank you. thank you. tesn— maybe. thank you. thank you. tesnlten-t— maybe. thank you. thank you. josh,idon't tackle— maybe. thank you. thank you. josh, don't tackle gritty josh, i don't tackle the gritty issues -you're _ josh, i don't tackle the gritty issues-you're not- josh, i don't tackle the gritty issues you're not afraid to issues that you're not afraid to peek— issues that you're not afraid to netk tnte. — issues that you're not afraid to walk into. worst— issues that you're not afraid to walk into. worst ever had was walk into. worst i ever had was nnen— walk into. worst i ever had was when someone threw a beer in my teee— when someone threw a beer in my teee et— when someone threw a beer in my teee et tne— when someone threw a beer in my face at the edinburgh fringe. kne— face at the edinburgh fringe. and unfortunately,— face at the edinburgh fringe. and unfortunately,-was. and unfortunately, that was captured put captured on film and then put online. then i got lots of

online. and then i got lots of people coming along thinking that's i did. they that's sort of what i did. they got andrew i'm like, got the beer. andrew i'm like, that's my shtick. you don't that's not my shtick. you don't have at me. have to throw beer at me. anyway, going to some anyway, we're going to get some questions audience questions from the audience first. our first question is from melanie. hello, melanie. hi. job adverts hi. ourjob adverts becoming racist? this there's racist? yeah, this is there's been things this been a couple of things this week. was an advert week. so there was an advert posted transport for london posted on transport for london website, which is part of the official government website, and this communications this was for a communications internship. have to internship. it said, you have to be of black, asian and minority ethnic background defined as having african having some african afro—caribbean , asian or other afro—caribbean, asian or other non—white heritage. and then up in scotland a few days ago, we also had this we had an advert out for a teacher in glasgow. this appeared online, apparently by mistake. and it also was asking for those who identify as black, asian or minority ethnic to apply. there's a few things about this. cressida isn't there? there's a few issues. firstly, identify as right, so you don't have to. you're asking nee— you don't have to. you're asking nee — you don't have to. you're asking me? well, you could and apparently absolutely apparently you absolutely could. right. this just right. but isn't this just a form racial discrimination?

form of racial discrimination? well, yeah. i mean, the quick answer to the— well, yeah. i mean, the quick answer to the question is yes, it answer to the question is yes, tt-nnetnen— answer to the question is yes, it-whether you- answer to the question is yes, it whether you think it is. it's whether you think tt-s—net,- it is. it's whether you thinki tt-s—net-tte it's justified or not, isn't it? yes:— it's justified or not, isn't it? yes tt— it's justified or not, isn't it? yes tt ts. — it's justified or not, isn't it? yes, it is. whether you think septepetten— yes, it is. whether you think segregation colour segregation or skin colour is tnsttttet— segregation or skin colour is pnsttttet ,— segregation or skin colour is justified ,iwould- segregation or skin colour is justified , would no, no. justified, i would say no, no. nett— justified, i would say no, no. wett tn— justified, i would say no, no. wett tn ete— justified, i would say no, no. well i'm old fashioned. i would tent— well i'm old fashioned. i would tentlepnee— well i'm old fashioned. i would tend-agree with— well i'm old fashioned. i would tend agree with you, andrew. tend to agree with you, andrew. but tend to agree with you, andrew. nut kt— tend to agree with you, andrew. but if-question_ tend to agree with you, andrew. but if-question is,- tend to agree with you, andrew. but if question is, is it but if the question is, is it nest,— but if the question is, is it racist,ithink_ but if the question is, is it racist, think yes, it is. but racist, i think yes, it is. but tnen— racist, i think yes, it is. but tnen et— racist, i think yes, it is. but then, of course,— racist, i think yes, it is. but then, of course, people are going— then, of course, people are petnp te— then, of course, people are petnp te peppe— then, of course, people are going to argue that's for going to argue that that's for the going to argue that that's for tne—okay.- going to argue that that's for tne—okay. - going to argue that that's for tne—okay. sei the greater good. okay. so, test,— the greater good. okay. so, test. new— the greater good. okay. so, test. new te— the greater good. okay. so, josh, how do how- the greater good. okay. so, josh, how do how do- the greater good. okay. so, josh, how do how do we deal with this? because it's asking for anyone with non—white heritage. yeah, yeah. yeah, that's all of us. yeah. i mean, is literally all of mean, that is literally all of us. yeah. when it's such a nttentens— us. yeah. when it's such a ridiculous idea.— c»; “in?" when it's such a ridiculous idea. also the ridiculous idea. and also the etnen—seytnp- ridiculous idea. and also the. other—saying people other advert was saying people nne— other advert was saying people nne ttenttty— other advert was saying people who identify as— other advert was saying people who identify as like who identify as us like it teesn-t— who identify as us like it doesn't make— who identify as us like it doesn't make sense. i just doesn't make any sense. i just ntsn— doesn't make any sense. i just ntsn ne— doesn't make any sense. i just wish we could— doesn't make any sense. i just wish we could go— doesn't make any sense. i just wish we could go back in time. tnene— wish we could go back in time. tnene-ttne— wish we could go back in time. there-time that- wish we could go back in time. there time that remember there was a time that i remember nnene— there was a time that i remember nnene-penntnetk- there was a time that i remember where-genuinely-tol where people genuinely tried to sen— where people genuinely tried to seeen-e— where people genuinely tried to sort-care about- where people genuinely tried to sort care about and not sort of not care about and not teens— sort of not care about and not teens en— sort of not care about and not focus on these— sort of not care about and not focus on these things and stuff . i focus on these things and stuff ._. nneen— focus on these things and stuff .-i mean, there- . but yeah, i mean, there etpntnp— . but yeah, i mean, there enpntnp tnet— . but yeah, i mean, there arguing that glasgow, certainly the arguing that glasgow, certainly tne eennett— arguing that glasgow, certainly the council did— arguing that glasgow, certainly the council did argue that oh no it the council did argue that oh no tt wes— the council did argue that oh no tt en— the council did argue that oh no it was an accident— the council did argue that oh no it was an accident and but tepetty— it was an accident and but tepettp tt-s— it was an accident and but legally it's fine- it was an accident and but legally it's fine that we should do legally it's fine that we should te tnet. — legally it's fine that we should te tnet. wett— legally it's fine that we should do that. well then why did you take— do that. well then why did you take tt— do that. well then why did you take tt tenn— do that. well then why did you take it down and— do that. well then why did you take it down and why did you say it take it down and why did you say tt-eeettent— take it down and why did you say it-accident for— take it down and why did you say it-accident for that- take it down and why did you say it accident for that to it was an accident for that to neppene— it was an accident for that to neppene ken— it was an accident for that to happen? you obviously know that

tenet— happen? you obviously know that tenet-ts— happen? you obviously know that tenet-ts .— happen? you obviously know that what-is, i would- happen? you obviously know that what is, i would argue, what you did is, i would argue, nenettk—tt-s- morally wrong. well, it's certainly morally wrong. but there's online about there's been spats online about this day, been this all day, and i've been looking and the legal looking into it and the legal aspect is interesting because there's this thing called positive action, which which positive action, which is which is you is built into law that you can discriminate the basis is built into law that you can disprotected the basis is built into law that you can disprotected characteristics, sis is built into law that you can disprotected characteristics, so of protected characteristics, so long as applicants long as the applicants are equally qualified in all of the rest of it. but if you're saying that no candidates can apply, you won't even to that you won't even get to that point. there is actually they point. so there is actually they are actually very dodgy legal are actually on very dodgy legal ground yeah, sounds ground here. yeah, it sounds ttke— ground here. yeah, it sounds ttke-ttke— ground here. yeah, it sounds ttke-ttke .— ground here. yeah, it sounds like like i think just like it. so like i think just hire the best people for the job of course. be and sorry, there's tntnp— of course. be and sorry, there's one more thing-say. one more thing i want to say. tnts— one more thing i want to say. we wes— one more thing i want to say. we ten— one more thing i want to say. this was for a— one more thing i want to say. this was for a teaching role. ant— this was for a teaching role. ant tnew— this was for a teaching role. and they were— this was for a teaching role. and they were saying, we're tetnp—wentl and they were saying, we're| tetnp—went te doing it because we want to tnsptne— doing it because we want to tnsptne-wett- doing it because we want to inspire well surely if inspire pupils. well surely if it's inspire pupils. well surely if tt-sietewt— inspire pupils. well surely if it's about inspiring pupils it's all about inspiring pupils ent— it's all about inspiring pupils ant—tne- it's all about inspiring pupils and—the best- and giving them the best pessttte— and giving them the best possible teachers, then and giving them the best possilon teachers, then and giving them the best possilonteacquality then and giving them the best possilon teacquality of then focus on the quality of the teeenens. — focus on the quality of the teachers. yes,— focus on the quality of the teachers. yes, that's that's. nut— teachers. yes, that's that's. nut etse — teachers. yes, that's that's. nut etse et— teachers. yes, that's that's. but also of saying- teachers. yes, that's that's. but also of saying non—white heritage. you're also basically discriminating, discriminating heritage. you're also basically discrimiimmigrantsriminating heritage. you're also basically discrimiimmigrants from ating against immigrants from predominantly white countries as well. europe well. you know, eastern europe and that. i mean, and places like that. i mean, they're terrible teachers. that was he's allowed to they're terrible teachers. that. was-he's allowed to say. was a joke. he's allowed to say. and— was a joke. he's allowed to say. ant nett— was a joke. he's allowed to say. and half-audience— was a joke. he's allowed to say. and half-audience walk- was a joke. he's allowed to say. and half audience walk out. and half the audience walk out. that's why they walked out. this

is that's why they walked out. this ts-pnetten,— that's why they walked out. this is-problem, josh, - that's why they walked out. this is problem, josh, people is your problem, josh, people assume -joking. l is your problem, josh, people. assume -joking. you assume you're not joking. you nest— assume you're not joking. you neet te— assume you're not joking. you neet te-e— assume you're not joking. you neet te-t t— assume you're not joking. you need to-a t shirt- assume you're not joking. you need to a t shirt saying need to have a t shirt saying comedian ian so that everyone understands, being comedian ian so that everyone unazrstands, being comedian ian so that everyone unazrstands, club being comedian ian so that everyone unazrstands,club would being comedian ian so that everyone unazrstands, club would haveg comedian ian so that everyone unazrstands, club would have made in a comedy club would have made the clue. yeah, no, it doesn't. it doesn't work like that. okay, we've got another question now. this hello, this one's from ryan. hello, ryan. good you name ryan. good evening. can you name all ryan. good evening. can you name at ts— ryan. good evening. can you name at ts tentens— ryan. good evening. can you name all 18 genders on— ryan. good evening. can you name all 18 genders on new— {ta good evening. can you name all 18 genders on new patient tennse — all 18 genders on new patient forms? yeah,— all18 genders on new patient forms? yeah, i— all 18 genders on new patient forms? yeah, i can,- all 18 genders on new patient forms? “in?" tip?" f all 18 genders on new patient forms? “43?" tit?" i forms? yeah, i can, because i've got it on autocue right here. got it on my autocue right here. this no, this is a hospital. this is. no, this is a hospital. this is. no, this is a hospital. this was in county durham . gave this was in county durham. gave this survey to a this outpatient survey to a woman. this is the darlington memorial hospital. and so the full list , to answer your full list, to answer your question, is right it's question, is right there. it's a male, female, non—binary passing. third gender, trans genden passing. third gender, trans gender, transgender man, transgender woman two spirit a gender by gender. cis. gender. gender expression. gender fluid. genden gender expression. gender fluid. gender. queer gender variant. prefer prefer not to prefer not to say prefer not to say being the most marginalised of all groups course of all groups and of course other . what are you fryston? other. what are you fryston? i'm just classic female, i'm etntt— i'm just classic female, i'm etntt .— i'm just classic female, i'm etntt . ven— i'm just classic female, i'm afraid . very dull. wig afraid. very dull. that is very. cente— afraid. very dull. that is very. come on, get with it. cressida. no. although andrew, are any of

us 100% anything? i mean, i do think us100% anything? i mean, i do tntnk twe— us100% anything? i mean, i do tntnk we get— us100% anything? i mean, i do think i've got some— �*00�*7�*3 “q7 i mean, i do think i've got some masculine tnetts— think i've got some masculine tnetts. — think i've got some masculine tnetts. keen.— think i've got some masculine traits . yeah, but— think i've got some masculine traits . yeah, but that- think i've got some masculine traits . “43?" : c traits. yeah, but that doesn't make you not female, does it? well, no, no, that's a very good petnt— well, no, no, that's a very good petnt teeense— well, no, no, that's a very good point because we've had this tnts— point because we've had this we week— point because we've had this this week where _ point because we've had this this week where the tate art settew— this week where the tate art gallery-actually- this week where the tate art gallery actually taken a i gallery has actually taken a i sent— gallery has actually taken a i can't remember— gallery has actually taken a i can't remember the name, but a testten— can't remember the name, but a testten etttst— can't remember the name, but a lesbian artist out— can't remember the name, but a lesbian artist out who's long teet— lesbian artist out who's long teet ent— lesbian artist out who's long dead and has— lesbian artist out who's long dead and has now said, well, tense— dead and has now said, well, tense sne— dead and has now said, well, because she had— dead and has now said, well, because she had masculine traits she _identified- because she had masculine traits she_identified as- she might have identified as teens— she might have identified as teens en— she might have identified as trans or non—binary. so tntenpnent— trans or non—binary. so throughout the article they call her, they and them , so they're her, they and them, so they're effectively trans someone effectively trans ing someone who talk about who isn't around to talk about with joan arc. yeah. anybody with joan of arc. yeah. anybody wne— with joan of arc. yeah. anybody wne ekntttts— with joan of arc. yeah. anybody who exhibits any— with joan of arc. yeah. anybody who exhibits any kind- " ' ”it. yeah. anybody who exhibits any kind of masculine— who exhibits any kind of masculine traits. isn't that the nest— masculine traits. isn't that the nest sektst— masculine traits. isn't that the most sexist-that. - masculine traits. isn't that the most sexist that. o" most sexist idea that. oh, of tt-s— most sexist idea that. oh, of course it's woman who exhibits course it's a woman who exhibits any of traditionally any kind of traditionally masculine be any kind of traditionally ma actuale be any kind of traditionally ma actual woman, be any kind of traditionally ma actual woman, of be any kind of traditionally ma actual woman, of course,3e any kind of traditionally maactual woman, of course, but an actual woman, of course, but knitting. and as we know, gender ideology in its inherently it ideology is in its inherently it is sexist. yeah. but i mean the stnptt— is sexist. yeah. but i mean the stnptt tntnt— is sexist. yeah. but i mean the stupid thing about— stint yeah. but i mean the stupid thing about these forms is stupid thing about these forms ts tnet— stupid thing about these forms ts tnet tnew— stupid thing about these forms is that they take— stupid thing about these forms is that they take so long to tit— is that they take so long to tttt tn— is that they take so long to tttt tn es— is that they take so long to fill in as you're— is that they take so long to fill in as you're going through all fill in as you're going through at tne— fill in as you're going through all the options— fill in as you're going through all the options that you're ettnen— all the options that you're ettnen tene— all the options that you're either going to— all the options that you're either going to be cured or dead at either going to be cured or dead et-ent— either going to be cured or dead et-ent et— either going to be cured or dead et-ent et tn— either going to be cured or dead at-end of it. but— either going to be cured or dead at end of it. but maybe at the end of it. but maybe tnet-s— at the end of it. but maybe tnet-s tne— at the end of it. but maybe that's the point. hie; that's the point. maybe that is the point. but the— that's the point. maybe that is the point. but the reason- that's the point. hie; but the reason the

the point. but the reason the wnete— the point. but the reason the whole reason— the point. but the reason the whole reason i'm— but the reason the whole reason i'm here is because i whole reason i'm here is because t-wen— whole reason i'm here is because t-wen e— whole reason i'm here is because t-wen e enessete— whole reason i'm here is because t-wen t esset te- whole reason i'm here is because i you a message to three i sent you a message to three wetts— i sent you a message to three wetts-ttent— i sent you a message to three wetts-ttent ny- i sent you a message to three years about my five year old years ago about my five year old ttntnten— years ago about my five year old ttntntenlntt— years ago about my five year old daughter.ihad to— years ago about my five year old daughter. had to fill in daughter. i had to fill in a teen— daughter. i had to fill in a teen tet— daughter. i had to fill in a form for her— daughter. i had to fill in a form for her to— daughter. i had to fill in a form for her to get her jabs. ant— form for her to get her jabs. ant tt— form for her to get her jabs. ant tt ts— form for her to get her jabs. and it was the— form for her to get her jabs. and it was the same thing. it's likew— and it was the same thing. it's ttke—wett- and it was the same thing. it's ttke—wett ett- like, is your five year old ttntntet— like, is your five year old daughter-you- like, is your five year old daughter you know, is she daughter non, you know, is she binary?— daughter non, you know, is she ttntwelsne.— daughter non, you know, is she binary?.she. i'm— daughter non, you know, is she binary? she. i'm like, she's binary? is she. i'm like, she's twe— binary? is she. i'm like, she's ttwe wetts— binary? is she. i'm like, she's five years old,— binary? is she. i'm like, she's five years old, man. is five years old, man. this is ens-w— five years old, man. this is ettzw tt— five years old, man. this is craz-y tt ts— five years old, man. this is crazy. it is crazy,- five years old, man. this is crazy. it is crazy, isn't it? i tet— crazy. it is crazy, isn't it? i tet sne-s— crazy. it is crazy, isn't it? i bet she's non— crazy. it is crazy, isn't it? i bet she's non binary. e bet she's non binary. i mean, it is bet she's non binary. i mean, it ts t— bet she's non binary. i mean, it ts t ttt— bet she's non binary. i mean, it ts t ttt et— bet she's non binary. i mean, it ts t ttt et t— bet she's non binary. i mean, it is a bit of a nonsense isn't it? and like josh says, the sort of trouncing historicalfigures trouncing of historical figures i particularly weird i think is particularly weird because this is a movement that says respect however says you must respect however individuals identify individuals choose to identify well, can't choose to well, they can't choose to identify anything they're identify as anything if they're dead. absolutely. it's dead. well absolutely. it's classic presentism, isn't it? tntttnt—tettwi putting the ideas of today on the putting the ideas of today on tne-atw— putting the ideas of today on the-my favourite- putting the ideas of today on the my favourite was the the past. my favourite was the etete — the past. my favourite was the etete-tn— the past. my favourite was the globe-in london,- the past. my favourite was the globe in london, where globe theatre in london, where tnew— globe theatre in london, where tnew-tttktnt— globe theatre in london, where they talking about queen they were talking about queen tttzttetn — they were talking about queen elizabeth academic elizabeth and academic had wntten— elizabeth and academic had written-article- elizabeth and academic had written article for the globe written an article for the globe tnettte— written an article for the globe tnettte tnt— written an article for the globe theatre and.kept_ written an article for the globe theatre and kept calling written an article for the globe theatrtelizabeth. :calling written an article for the globe theatrtelizabeth. "t:i;;ng written an article for the globe theatrtelizabeth. "tiil;t?“t: queen elizabeth. they and them, because speech that because of that speech that queen gave about may because of that speech that quee the gave about may because of that speech that quee the body gave about may because of that speech that quee the body ofjave about may because of that speech that quee the body of ave about may because of that speech that quee the body of a weak)ut may because of that speech that quee the body of a weak and may have the body of a weak and feeble woman, but i have the heart and mind of a man and therefore, that means queen therefore, oh, that means queen elizabeth. the first must have been non binary. no no, don't be so elizabeth, the so insane. queen elizabeth, the first elizabethan

first lived in the elizabethan era. no ego. oh oh,i era. no bills. her ego. oh oh, i wttt— era. no bills. her ego. oh oh, i wttt vou— era. no bills. her ego. oh oh, i see what you is that what see what you mean. is that what it's about? one must do this one. well, was using the one. well, she was using the royal so they just royal we. so maybe they just assuming it's royal they assuming it's the royal they them crazy. that's it. elizabeth sttttet— them crazy. that's it. elizabeth sttttet tnts— them crazy. that's it. elizabeth started this whole— i that's it. elizabeth started this whole nonsense. tttzttetn— started this whole nonsense. tttzttetn — started this whole nonsense. elizabeth ' epic; started this whole nonsense. elizabeth ' uzi; : elizabeth absolutely. pull down that statue on fleet street. it's we've it's disgusting. okay. we've got a from where a question now from roger. where is hi, roger. hello how is roger? hi, roger. hello how are you? concerned about- “37 “g how are you? concerned about the nse— are you? concerned about the nselnene— are you? concerned about the rise home schooling? " rise in home schooling? this is an rise in home schooling? this is tn tntetesttnn— rise in home schooling? this is an interesting thing. there's been new figures suggesting that more are being more kids than ever are being schooled home. the figures schooled at home. the figures indicate there are 86,000 children home children in england now home schooled. a significant schooled. that's a significant increase. you've increase. now, josh, you've considered home schooling, haven't you? you've got five kids. well, did it during the kids. well, i did it during the teektewn— kids. well, i did it during the lockdown.-it._ kids. well, i did it during the lockdown.-it. and- kids. well, i did it during the lockdown.-it. and i- t:3 well, i did it during the lockdown. it. and i used lockdown. i did it. and i used to lockdown. i did it. and i used te-nttn— lockdown. i did it. and i used te-nttnltt-s- lockdown. i did it. and i used to-hair..it's not- lockdown. i did it. and i used to hair. it's not you. to have hair. so it's not you. wetn— to have hair. so it's not you. keen. tnt— to have hair. so it's not you. keen. tnt te— to have hair. so it's not you. yeah, but do you— to have hair. so it's not you. yeah, but do you think- to have hair. so it's not you. yeah, but do you think it's a goodidea?ifs yeah, but do you think it's a good idea? it's the worst thing that you could possibly do because got to have because you've got to have the right. if the first time i right. if for the first time i ever appreciated- ” g if for the first time i ever appreciated how hard tetentnt— ever appreciated how hard tetentntlwen- ever appreciated how hard teaching you have to have teaching is, you have to have tne— teaching is, you have to have the-temperament- teaching is, you have to have the temperament because the right temperament because my tetentnt— the right temperament because my tetentnt-tnst— the right temperament because my tetentnt-tnst-wnw- teaching style is just like, why are teaching style is just like, why tee-tnteke— teaching style is just like, why tee-tnteke — teaching style is just like, why are-thick? that's- teaching style is just like, why are-thick? that's a. teaching style is just like, why are thick? ”chi are you so thick? that's a real problem. it's so obvious you can't out. yeah, problem. it's so obvious you can't out . yeah, that's can't walk out. yeah, that's tntte— can't walk out. yeah, that's tntte tn— can't walk out. yeah, that's

quite an effective- tie" e yeah, that's quite an effective teaching stwte. — quite an effective teaching stwte. on— quite an effective teaching stwte. on tn— quite an effective teaching style. oh i'm not sure about tntt. — style. oh i'm not sure about tntt. t— style. oh i'm not sure about that. i think— style. oh i'm not sure about that. i think tough- style. oh i'm not sure about that. chg " that. i think tough love. i think what you could do is team up with your neighbours and maybe you just do one class a week and the other parents, maybe their neighbours aren't speaking they're speaking to me because they're so . ithink speaking to me because they're so . i think we know why so thick. i think we know why tnew-te— so thick. i think we know why tnew-te net— so thick. i think we know why tnew-te net se— so thick. i think we know why they're not so well. - ti.

complicit supremacy, complicit in white supremacy, i nttnt— complicit in white supremacy, i nttnt-tnese— complicit in white supremacy, i might-those kids- complicit in white supremacy, i might those kids out might pull those kids out tense— might pull those kids out because would think they're might pull those kids out becau radicalisedthink they're might pull those kids out becau radicalised in nk they're might pull those kids out becau radicalised in some y're might pull those kids out becau radicalised in some dodgy being radicalised in some dodgy you ntgnt. — being radicalised in some dodgy you ntgnt. wetn— being radicalised in some dodgy you might. “43?" : stir“ you might. yeah. would but then you might. yeah. would but then you would put them straight back in week of actually in after a week of actually homeschooling you're homeschooling them and you're like, care. can be like, i don't care. you can be indoctrinated you want. indoctrinated however you want. get house. it's a very get out of my house. it's a very fair get out of my house. it's a very tttt petnt,— get out of my house. it's a very fair point, nick.— get out of my house. it's a very fair point, nick. very— get out of my house. it's a very fair point, nick. very fair- fair point, nick. very fair petnt. — fair point, nick. very fair petnt. we— fair point, nick. very fair point. we need- fair point, nick. very fair point. with; : fair point, nick. very fair point. : fair point, nick. very fair- point. we need to talk about your issues. josh we'll do that atten— your issues. josh we'll do that tttet en— your issues. josh we'll do that later on after— your issues. josh we'll do that later on after the— ” josh we'll do that later on after the show. okay. we-we— later on after the show. okay. we-we tet— later on after the show. okay. we-we tet t— later on after the show. okay. we've got a question now from stntw. — we've got a question now from stntwlstntw.— we've got a question now from sandy..sandy. hi. - we've got a question now from sandy. sandy. hi. e sandy. hi, sandy. hi. is it woke not sandy. hi, sandy. hi. is it woke netlkttt— sandy. hi, sandy. hi. is it woke not kill your garden weeds? not to kill your garden weeds? is it not to kill your is it woke not to kill your tttten— is it woke not to kill your garden-soundsl is it woke not to kill your. garden-sounds like garden weeds. it sounds like a stnptt— garden weeds. it sounds like a stnptt-stntw- garden weeds. it sounds like a stupid-sandy, but. garden weeds. it sounds like a stupid sandy, but it's stupid question, sandy, but it's not stupid question, sandy, but it's net-tnete— stupid question, sandy, but it's not-there was- stupid question, sandy, but it's not-there was so- stupid question, sandy, but it's not there was so rachel not because there was so rachel de not because there was so rachel te tttne— not because there was so rachel te tntne. t— not because there was so rachel de thame. i think— not because there was so rachel de thame. i think it's de thame is de thame. i think it's de thame ts new— de thame. i think it's de thame is how-pronounce- de thame. i think it's de thame is how pronounce it. the is how you pronounce it. the etttenets— is how you pronounce it. the gardeners presenter she gardeners world presenter she stws— gardeners world presenter she stws tt-s— gardeners world presenter she says it's fashioned kill says it's old fashioned to kill eets— says it's old fashioned to kill weeds._should| says it's old fashioned to kill. weeds._should be weeds. she says they should be tttewet— weeds. she says they should be allowed -freely. - weeds. she says they should be allowed freely. this is allowed to grow freely. this is allowed to grow freely. this is t-tnetnstwe— allowed to grow freely. this is a inclusive approach to a very inclusive approach to horticulture _ a very inclusive approach to horticulture-has. a very inclusive approach to horticulture has been horticulture and this has been ntppentnt— horticulture and this has been ntppentnt-tet- horticulture and this has been. happening-lot-that happening quite a lot now that we-we—ttewetl we've got the chelsea flower stew— we've got the chelsea flower snew eentnt— we've got the chelsea flower show coming up— we've got the chelsea flower show coming up and you've had the show coming up and you've had tne-wne— show coming up and you've had tne-wneltte— show coming up and you've had the who it? manage the now who is it? it's manage ment— the now who is it? it's manage nentt-kewtt- mould. who's the royal horticultural— mould. who's the royal- horticultural-ambassador mould. who's the royal- hordiversity -ambassador mould. who's the royal hordiversity inclusion ssador mould. who's the royal- hordiversity .inclusion saysir for diversity and inclusion says ettsstett— for diversity and inclusion says classical english— for diversity and inclusion says classical english gardens made classical engliin gardens made by classical english gardens made by tentte— classical english gardens made by double barrelled name testtnets— by double barrelled name testtnets .— by double barrelled name designers , are— by double barrelled name designers , are putting non—white designers, are putting non—white eennnntttes— designers, are putting non—white communities off— designers, are putting non—white

communities off the chelsea ttewet— communities off the chelsea ttewet snew— communities off the chelsea flower show .— communities off the chelsea flower show . i— communities off the chelsea flower show . i mean, communities off the chelsea flower show. i mean, i think were— flower show. i mean, i think tnete te— flower show. i mean, i think there are other— flower show. i mean, i think there are other things are pntttnt— there are other things are putting people off the chelsea ttewet— putting people off the chelsea ttewet stew,— putting people off the chelsea flower show, but— putting people off the chelsea flower show, but i don't. it's a snew— flower show, but i don't. it's a snew wttt— flower show, but i don't. it's a show with lots— flower show, but i don't. it's a show with lots of— flower show, but i don't. it's a show with lots of flowers that went— show with lots of flowers that wentt pnt— show with lots of flowers that wentt pnt ne— show with lots of flowers that would put me off. yeah, i can't say— would put me off. yeah, i can't stw twe— would put me off. yeah, i can't stw he even— would put me off. yeah, i can't say i've ever been. ct?" e would put me off. yeah, i can't say i've ever been. titzzt e say i've ever been. i don't have a large garden. common problem in did grow some wild in london. i did grow some wild flowers once. i mean, obviously they weren't wild because i grew them was fun. you them and that was fun. did you kill the weeds? no. or did you preserve the weeds? i threw some seeds into a pot and was lucky. with what? i got it was fantastic. no, but lawns are supposed to be a symbol of the patriarch. aren't they supposed to his? historically, they to be his? historically, they belong big houses and, belong to these big houses and, well, monty don so. well, monty, don says so. i mean. but i've seen a lot of stntt— mean. but i've seen a lot of stntt ttke— mean. but i've seen a lot of stuff like this. _ mean. but i've seen a lot of stuff like this. i've- " but i've seen a lot of stuff like this. i've seen a lot of stuff like this. i've seen a lot et tettwsts— stuff like this. i've seen a lot of activists sort— stuff like this. i've seen a lot of activists sort of— stuff like this. i've seen a lot of activists sort of say that tne— of activists sort of say that the countryside— of activists sort of say that the countryside is racist and a lot the countryside is racist and a tet et— the countryside is racist and a tet et tnts— the countryside is racist and a lot of this because because they ptetentntnttw— lot of this because because they predominantly see _ lot of this because because they predominantly see white people in the countryside and the implication— in the countryside and the. implication _ethnic implication being that ethnic ntnentw— implication being that ethnic minority people— implication being that ethnic minority people capable minority people aren't capable of minority people aren't capable et—ttett- minority people aren't capable et—ttett tt- minority people aren't capable of_field if they. minority people aren't capable of_field if they so of walking in a field if they so eeesen— of walking in a field if they so eeesen .— of walking in a field if they so eeesen . t— of walking in a field if they so choose . i think— of walking in a field if they so choose . i think very made a choose. i think it's very made a tetp— choose. i think it's very made a tetp tnete. — choose. i think it's very made a leap there. but— choose. i think it's very made a leap there. but yeah,- choose. i think it's very made a leap there. ;t:i;et“ choose. i think it's very made a leap there. e leap there. but yeah, i think it is very patronising and racist. absolutely. yeah, absolutely. but it's just the

but i mean, it's just the encroachment upon every element of of once you start of life of once you start thinking in this mindset of victimisation, like they're actually calling weeds now resistant plants because they don't want to hurt weeds, feelings. yeah, it's quite an as you were saying that mowing lawns is this sort of patriarchal, evil male thing because it's about control and order and whatnot. i just want this to order and whatnot. i just want we te step.— order and whatnot. i just want we te step. t— order and whatnot. i just want this to stop. i just— order and whatnot. i just want this to stop. i just want.- : et�*t: i just want this to stop. i just want. yeah, i this to stop. i just want. yeah, t tntnk— this to stop. i just want. yeah, t tint, t— this to stop. i just want. yeah, i think, i think— this to stop. i just want. yeah, i think, i think if— this to stop. i just want. yeah, i think, i think if you start to tne— i think, i think if you start to see the world— i think, i think if you start to see the world like, yeah, but tt-t — see the world like, yeah, but tt-t te — see the world like, yeah, but tt-t te wettn — see the world like, yeah, but it'd be worth it— see the world like, yeah, but it'd be worth it to cure the went,— it'd be worth it to cure the mid, wen— it'd be worth it to cure the world, you know? yeah. just be ttke— world, you know? yeah. just be ttte te— world, you know? yeah. just be ttte te ew— world, you know? yeah. just be able to mow your— world, you know? yeah. just be able to mow your lawn in peace, not able to mow your lawn in peace, net te— able to mow your lawn in peace, net te ntwe— able to mow your lawn in peace, net te ntwe t— able to mow your lawn in peace, not to have a lawn.— able to mow your lawn in peace, not to have a lawn. _ able to mow your lawn in peace, not to have a lawn. i'm just angry— not to have a lawn. i'm just angry with people who've got gardens to be honest. you're just jealous. -well, - gardens to be honest. you're just jealous.-well, look, just jealous. okay well, look, stit— just jealous. okay well, look, stttt—ttee- just jealous. okay well, look, still—free speech| still to come on, free speech wttten— still to come on, free speech nation, -elston - still to come on, free speech nation, elston will be nation, chris elston will be nee— nation, chris elston will be nete te— nation, chris elston will be here to tell— nation, chris elston will be here to tell us— nation, chris elston will be here to tell us about. he tttwets— here to tell us about. he travels the— here to tell us about. he travels the world combating gentee— travels the world combating gender ideology as alter gender ideology as his alter ego,— gender ideology as his alter ete—enns- gender ideology as his alter| ego,_chris, that's gender ideology as his alter. ego,_chris, that's .

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. weteene— we know it. you're listening to . welcome back— we know it. you're listening to . welcome back to— e you're listening to . welcome back to free speech wttten— . welcome back to free speech wttten wttt— . welcome back to free speech nation with me,— . welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so nation with me, andrew doyle. so my— nation with me, andrew doyle. so my test— nation with me, andrew doyle. so my first guest— nation with me, andrew doyle. so my first guest tonight- nation with me, andrew doyle. so my first guest tonight has been travelling the world to kick start the conversation on gender ideology. chris elston, better known by his alter ego billboard. chris is a father of two girls and he says children should not be indoctrinated to believe they were born in the wrong body and his travels have now brought to the uk. i'm now brought him to the uk. i'm delighted chris elston delighted to say chris elston joins now . hi chris. thanks joins me now. hi chris. thanks for coming on the show. so do you want to just for those who are watching, who aren't familiar with what you do, can you describe your you just describe what your approach your activism is? approach to your activism is? sure so i'm sure i look utterly nttentens— sure so i'm sure i look utterly ridiculous, but— sure so i'm sure i look utterly ridiculous, but i— sure so i'm sure i look utterly ridiculous, but i had- ”iii: so i'm sure i look utterly ridiculous, but i had no pttttetn— ridiculous, but i had no platform or— ridiculous, but i had no platform or means to reach peepte— platform or means to reach peepte. se— platform or means to reach peepte. se t— platform or means to reach people. so i had- platform or means to reach people. so i had some signs ntte— people. so i had some signs ntte, wnten— people. so i had some signs made, which i— people. so i had some signs made, which i wear. i'm a human tttttettt— made, which i wear. i'm a human billboard. yes.— made, which i wear. i'm a human billboard. yes. and— made, which i wear. i'm a human billboard. yes. and i— made, which i wear. i'm a human billboard. yes. and i know these tent— billboard. yes. and i know these tent tne— billboard. yes. and i know these aren't the most— billboard. yes. and i know these aren't the most reputable people netntttw— aren't the most reputable people netntttw tnt— aren't the most reputable people normally, but it's— aren't the most reputable people normally, but it's a— aren't the most reputable people normally, but it's a sandwich tent— normally, but it's a sandwich tettt tttno— normally, but it's a sandwich board thing. it's— normally, but it's a sandwich board thing. it's a sandwich, netntttw— board thing. it's a sandwich, netntttw stws— board thing. it's a sandwich, normally says things like the ent— normally says things like the ent ts— normally says things like the ent ts nttn— normally says things like the end is nigh and— normally says things like the end is nigh and that sort of tntnt. — end is nigh and that sort of tntno. wetn— end is nigh and that sort of thing. yeah, exactly. they're netntttw— thing. yeah, exactly. they're normally preaching end

normally preaching about the end of normally preaching about the end et-wettt. — normally preaching about the end et-wettt. -tnt— normally preaching about the end of-world.-but i'm- of the world. yeah, but i'm ntwnt— of the world. yeah, but i'm| having—about of the world. yeah, but i'm- having_about the having conversations about the nttn —se- having conversations about the nttn —se tnel having conversations about the. harm _so the sign harm coming to kids, so the sign on harm coming to kids, so the sign en ny— harm coming to kids, so the sign en my tent— harm coming to kids, so the sign en my tent stws— harm coming to kids, so the sign on my front says children cannot eensent—tnti consent to puberty blockers and the consent to puberty blockers and tne-en— consent to puberty blockers and tne-en ny— consent to puberty blockers and the-on my back— consent to puberty blockers and the-on my back is- consent to puberty blockers and the on my back is one the sign on my back is one ttttte— the sign on my back is one little playful. _ the sign on my back is one little playful. it— the sign on my back is one little playful. it normally is tntt— little playful. it normally is one that says— little playful. it normally is one that says the definition of little playful. it normally is 0idad, at says the definition of little playful. it normally is 0idad, which; the definition of little playful. it normally is 0idad, which isie definition of little playful. it normally is 0idad, which is a definition of little playful. it normally is 0idad, which is a human on of little playful. it normally is 0idad, which is a human male who a dad, which is a human male who pteteets— a dad, which is a human male who pteteets-tten — a dad, which is a human male who protects-from gender- protects his kids from gender tteeteoy. — protects his kids from gender tteeteoy. se— protects his kids from gender ideology. so what- protects his kids from gender ideology. i �*" i ideology. so what specifically is view of gender, ideology is your view of gender, ideology and think it is so and why do you think it is so dangerous for children? so a dangerous for children? so in a nutshell, views are dangerous for children? so in a nutshell,-views are that- nutshell, my views are that were— nutshell, my views are that tnete te— nutshell, my views are that there are two— nutshell, my views are that there are two sexes. there are oentets— there are two sexes. there are zero genders, and— there are two sexes. there are zero genders, and there are tnttntte— zero genders, and there are| infinite—right? infinite personalities, right? eense— infinite personalities, right? teetnse-inst- infinite personalities, right? because just captures all because that just captures all of.beautifully. _ because that just captures all of.beautifully.-no. of us beautifully. there's no nont— of us beautifully. there's no tent-te— of us beautifully. there's no ntnt-te t— of us beautifully. there's no ntnt-te t pew- of us beautifully. there's no right-be a boy or- of us beautifully. there's no right be a boy or a girl, right way to be a boy or a girl, tnt— right way to be a boy or a girl, tnt tnts— right way to be a boy or a girl, but this ideology— right way to be a boy or a girl, but this ideology teaches that inst— but this ideology teaches that inst-t— but this ideology teaches that inst-t etn— but this ideology teaches that inst-t ttt et- but this ideology teaches that inst-t ttt en t- but this ideology teaches that just a girl or a boy are just because a girl or a boy are gentee— just because a girl or a boy are gender nonconforming. if a girl wtnts— gender nonconforming. if a girl wtnts-ttees— gender nonconforming. if a girl wants-trees and- gender nonconforming. if a girl wants trees and play in wants to climb trees and play in the wants to climb trees and play in tne-tnt— wants to climb trees and play in the-and hates— the dirt and hates wearing dresses,-guess- the dirt and hates wearing dresses, guess what? she's dresses, well, guess what? she's a dresses, well, guess what? she's t—ketn.— dresses, well, guess what? she's t—ketn. sne-s- a beautiful girl. yeah. she's net— a beautiful girl. yeah. she's net-.— a beautiful girl. yeah. she's net-. sne-s— a beautiful girl. yeah. she's not-. she's not- a beautiful girl. yeah. she's not-. she's not a- a beautiful girl. yeah. she's not . she's not a trans not a boy. she's not a trans new. — not a boy. she's not a trans boy- sne-s— not a boy. she's not a trans boy- sne-s net— not a boy. she's not a trans boy. she's not anything other tntn— boy. she's not anything other tntn wntt— boy. she's not anything other than what she— boy. she's not anything other than what she is— boy. she's not anything other than what she is , which is than what she is, which is a ttt. — than what she is, which is a tin. ant— than what she is, which is a tnt. ant we— than what she is, which is a girl. and we need to abolish tnts— girl. and we need to abolish tnts entre— girl. and we need to abolish this entire ideology which tetenes— this entire ideology which teaches stereotypes define teaches that stereotypes define wne— teaches that stereotypes define wne en— teaches that stereotypes define wne ktts— teaches that stereotypes define who our kids are.— teaches that stereotypes define who our kids are. right? so gentee— who our kids are. right? so gender stereotypes- who our kids are. right? so gender stereotypes being used as the way to define what what someone's gender identity is. where do you stand, though , when

where do you stand, though, when that adulthood? when that gets to adulthood? when people are past the age of consent? look, people are past the age of consent ? look, adults can call consent? look, adults can call tnensewes— consent? look, adults can call themselves whatever- i7 look, adults can call themselves whatever they want. t hey — themselves whatever they want. tnew-ttke— themselves whatever they want. tnew-ttke en— themselves whatever they want.| they .take on - label they can take on whatever label tnew—tt— they can take on whatever label tnew—tt tnew- they can take on whatever label they-if they want- they can take on whatever label they if they want to they want. and if they want to netttw— they want. and if they want to netttw-tetw— they want. and if they want to modify body, their modify their body, that's their etetee— modify their body, that's their enetee, t— modify their body, that's their choice, i suppose. however there is choice, i suppose. however there tsletwett— choice, i suppose. however there tsletwett nete. — choice, i suppose. however there is caveat here. doctors have is a caveat here. doctors have stit— is a caveat here. doctors have stttt swen— is a caveat here. doctors have stttt tn— is a caveat here. doctors have still sworn an oath to first do no still sworn an oath to first do ne nan.— still sworn an oath to first do ne nttn. ant— still sworn an oath to first do no harm. and if— still sworn an oath to first do no harm. and if you've got some 18 no harm. and if you've got some ts wett— no harm. and if you've got some ts wet-wne— no harm. and if you've got some 18 year-who comes- no harm. and if you've got some 18 year who comes into your 18 year old who comes into your gentee— 18 year old who comes into your tenet-.— 18 year old who comes into your tentet-, wne-s— 18 year old who comes into your gender , who's struggling 18 year old who comes into your gendtrauma , who's struggling 18 year old who comes into your gendtrauma , wiabuseruggling 18 year old who comes into your gendtrauma , wiabuseruggithere with trauma and abuse and there nttent— with trauma and abuse and there nttnt—sekntt- with trauma and abuse and there might sexual abuse or might have been sexual abuse or ntwte— might have been sexual abuse or ntwte-tnttsn - might have been sexual abuse or maybe-autism .whol maybe they have autism or who knews— maybe they have autism or who knewsen—- maybe they have autism or who knewsen— tn- maybe they have autism or who knows—on in theiri knows what's going on in their ttte. — knows what's going on in their ttte. .we— knows what's going on in their life.-we don't— knows what's going on in their life.-we don't just- knows what's going on in their life. we don't just start life. yes we don't just start entttnt— life. yes we don't just start entttnt ett— life. yes we don't just start cutting off body parts. right twtw. — cutting off body parts. right twtw. we— cutting off body parts. right away. we should be treating tnese— away. we should be treating. tnese—netttn these underlying mental health comorbidities_ these underlying mental health com caseities_ these underlying mental health com case scenario, if body last case scenario, if body modification— last case scenario, if body modification is— last case scenario, if body modification is required to tttewtte— modification is required to alleviate this— modification is required to alleviate this condition called gentee— alleviate this condition called gender dysphoria , well, that's gender dysphoria, well, that's a eenestten — gender dysphoria, well, that's a conversation for— gender dysphoria, well, that's a conversation for an adult to ntwe. — conversation for an adult to ntwe. tnts— conversation for an adult to have. this should never be done wttt— have. this should never be done wttn ktts— have. this should never be done wttn ktts et— have. this should never be done with kids of course,— have. this should never be done with kids of course, there are tne— with kids of course, there are tne prettens— with kids of course, there are the problems that you're tesenttnt— the problems that you're describing are- the problems that you're describing are often related to the describing are often related to tne-et— describing are often related to the-of gender— the idea of gender self—identification. so it teesn-t— self—identification. so it doesn't-matter- self—identification. so it doesn't matter whether doesn't even matter whether people transition or people have transition or surgery. recent case in surgery. we had a recent case in scotland where a double rapist identified as female and was about to be housed in a female prison. what would you make of

that? happening in that? yeah, this is happening in canada from. we have canada where i'm from. we have rapists with canada where i'm from. we have ttptsts-wttn-tni rapists housed with women in pnsen— rapists housed with women in pnsen-tt-s— rapists housed with women in prison,-it's like- rapists housed with women in prison, it's like we've all prison, and it's like we've all test— prison, and it's like we've all test en— prison, and it's like we've all lost our minds.— prison, and it's like we've all lost our minds. have we tetoetten— lost our minds. have we forgotten that- lost our minds. have we forgotten that there are bad peepte— forgotten that there are bad peepte tn— forgotten that there are bad peepte tn tne— forgotten that there are bad people in the world? there are nenttttw— people in the world? there are nenttttw ttt— people in the world? there are mentally ill people in the went.— mentally ill people in the world-evil- mentally ill people in the world.-evil in- mentally ill people in the world. evil in the world. there's evil in the went.— world. there's evil in the world-course,- world. there's evil in the world. course, you take world. of course, if you take twtw— world. of course, if you take twtw ttt— world. of course, if you take away all safeguards for women world. of course, if you take awajjust safeguards for women world. of course, if you take awajjust sayeguards for women world. of course, if you take awajjust say any rds for women world. of course, if you take awajjust say any rds fccan)men and just say any man can ttentttw— and just say any man can ttentttw ts— and just say any man can identify as woman , well, of identify as a woman, well, of course some men— identify as a woman, well, of course some men going to course some men are going to take— course some men are going to ttke—et— course some men are going to ttke—et-ketni take advantage of that. yeah. ent— take advantage of that. yeah. ent-ettett— take advantage of that. yeah. tnt-ettett te- take advantage of that. yeah. but effort to appear but in the effort to appear tnetnstwe— but in the effort to appear inclusive, politicians but in the effort to appear inclusivthese politicians but in the effort to appear inclusivthese most.iticians but in the effort to appear inclusivthese most ridiculous passed these most ridiculous ttws— passed these most ridiculous ttws-tnew— passed these most ridiculous laws .they take- passed these most ridiculous laws they take away all laws and they take away all sttetnttts— laws and they take away all safeguards for— laws and they take away all safeguards for women and entttten. — safeguards for women and children. and— safeguards for women and children. 3 safeguards for women and children. t: i children. and your particular focus safeguarding of focus is on the safeguarding of children? because mind, children? because to my mind, there is there are three branches there's branches to this. there's the gay issue. you know what gay rights issue. you know what happens when you when you change the definition homosexuality happens when you when you change thtmeaniition homosexuality happens when you when you change thtmean same homosexuality happens when you when you change thtmean same gender sexuality happens when you when you change thtmean same gender attraction? to mean same gender attraction? there's issue. what there's the feminism issue. what happens when you take away women's and women's only spaces? and then there's safeguarding. there's child safeguarding. and this focus, this is very much your focus, isn't it? i suppose that's isn't it? and i suppose that's come from your experience as a father. 100. i have two girls tnt— father. 100. i have two girls tnt tnew-te— father. 100. i have two girls and they're 11— father. 100. i have two girls and they're 11 and- 100. i have two girls and they're 11 and 13 years old .teen— and they're 11 and 13 years old .teen en— and they're 11 and 13 years old now. .been on this- and they're 11 and 13 years old now. been on this campaign now. i've been on this campaign for now. i've been on this campaign tet ttent— now. i've been on this campaign for about three _ now. i've been on this campaign for about three years, travelling _ for about three years, travelling all around north anettet— travelling all around north america, but— travelling all around north america, but my main job in life is america, but my main job in life ts te— america, but my main job in life

ts te te— america, but my main job in life ts te te t— america, but my main job in life ts te te t ttt.— america, but my main job in life is to be a dad. and— america, but my main job in life is to be a dad. and i've lived ttt— is to be a dad. and i've lived ttt nw— is to be a dad. and i've lived ttt nw tnn— is to be a dad. and i've lived all my fun young— is to be a dad. and i've lived all my fun young years. all i ttent— all my fun young years. all i care about is— all my fun young years. all i care about is having a good went— care about is having a good went tet— care about is having a good world for them— care about is having a good world for them to go into, and i entse— world for them to go into, and i entse te— world for them to go into, and i refuse to send— world for them to go into, and i refuse to send my— world for them to go into, and i refuse to send my girls into a wett— refuse to send my girls into a went tntt— refuse to send my girls into a world that doesn't know what a wentnltnt— world that doesn't know what a wentnltnt t— world that doesn't know what a woman and a world that's woman is and a world that's twtnt— woman is and a world that's twtno te— woman is and a world that's twtno te entnte— woman is and a world that's trying to change the sex of nnnttets— trying to change the sex of hundreds of— trying to change the sex of hundreds of thousands of ettttten— hundreds of thousands of children. we— hundreds of thousands of children. we just can't tolerate tnts— children. we just can't tolerate tnts-seetetw. — children. we just can't tolerate this society. “tit; this in a society. there's also the there, the the issue, isn't there, that the majority are majority of those who are children, who referred to children, who are referred to paediatric gender clinics, either element either have an autistic element to them or grow up to be gay. that's right. so it goes back to your point about gender nonconformity. why are we stigmatising that right at the tavistock out of stigmatising that right at the te'sample out of stigmatising that right at the te'sample of out of stigmatising that right at the te'sample of more out of stigmatising that right at the te'sample of more than out of stigmatising that right at the te'sample of more than 1000 of a sample of more than 1000 children, 35% had moderate to severe autism. if you include tne— severe autism. if you include tne ntt— severe autism. if you include the mild cases— severe autism. if you include the mild cases ,_ severe autism. if you include the mild cases , that- ”iii: if you include the mild cases , that goes above the mild cases, that goes above 50. the mild cases, that goes above so. ant— the mild cases, that goes above 50. and historically, all the stnttes— 50. and historically, all the studies into— 50. and historically, all the studies into gender dysphoria going— studies into gender dysphoria going ttek— studies into gender dysphoria going back decades show that tntn— going back decades show that more than 80%_ going back decades show that more than 80% of the time back wnen— more than 80% of the time back wnen tnts— more than 80% of the time back wnen tnts inst— more than 80% of the time back when this just affected a ntnttnt— when this just affected a handful of— when this just affected a handful of kids. but it was much more severe and— handful of kids. but it was much more severe and prolonged and ttsttnt— more severe and prolonged and ttsttnt. ant— more severe and prolonged and ttsttno. ant tt— more severe and prolonged and lasting. and it started at a young— lasting. and it started at a yennt-wttn- lasting. and it started at a young-with kids, young age, even with those kids, entree-t— young age, even with those kids, enetee-t tne- young age, even with those kids, more-of the time,- young age, even with those kids, more of the time, they more than 80% of the time, they stnptw— more than 80% of the time, they stnpty entotew— more than 80% of the time, they simply outgrew they went simply outgrew it when they went tnttntt— simply outgrew it when they went tntentn—t— simply outgrew it when they went through—a majority. through puberty and a majority grew—

through puberty and a majority grew-te— through puberty and a majority otewlte te— through puberty and a majority otewlte te ttw— through puberty and a majority grew to be gay. so the cure grew up to be gay. so the cure in grew up to be gay. so the cure tn ttnest— grew up to be gay. so the cure in almost all— grew up to be gay. so the cure in almost all cases for gender tyspnent— in almost all cases for gender tyspnent ts— in almost all cases for gender dysphoria is puberty itself. and in almost all cases for gender dyspweia is puberty itself. and in almost all cases for gender dyspwe block uberty itself. and in almost all cases for gender dyspwe block ubeicure. .f. and in almost all cases for gender dyspwe block ubeicure. lnd in almost all cases for gender dyspwe block ubeicure. now we block the cure. so then wttt— now we block the cure. so then wttt te— now we block the cure. so then wttt te wen— now we block the cure. so then what do you do when adult trans people say to you, well, i've always i've known since i always known i've known since i was child, that i was in was a small child, that i was in the body. i've spoken to the wrong body. i've spoken to people say and there people who say that, and there must be degree of sympathy must be a degree of sympathy for people surely. of people like that, surely. of course, want everyone to course, we all want everyone to live the most fulfilling life possible. and i've talked to nnnttets— possible. and i've talked to hundreds-people. l possible. and i've talked to- hundreds-people. italk hundreds of these people. i talk to hundreds of these people. i talk te—ttw.— hundreds of these people. i talk te—ttw. tnew- hundreds of these people. i talk to_day. they come. hundreds of these people. i talk to day. they come up to them every day. they come up to them every day. they come up te-ettenttnes— to them every day. they come up to-oftentimes is— to them every day. they come up to oftentimes is yelling and to me oftentimes is yelling and tntettentnt— to me oftentimes is yelling and threatening and— to me oftentimes is yelling and threatening and sometimes tsstntttnt— threatening and sometimes - assaulting—there's assaulting me. but look, there's no assaulting me. but look, there's ne—ts petnt- assaulting me. but look, there's no_as being born- assaulting me. but look, there's no as being born in no such thing as being born in the no such thing as being born in tne-pew.— no such thing as being born in tne-tetw. tne- no such thing as being born in the-body. the way- no such thing as being born in the body. the way we the wrong body. the way we snentt — the wrong body. the way we snentt _isl the wrong body. the way we. should _is there should be framing this is there are should be framing this is there tete—n- should be framing this is there are—have a mentalj are people who have a mental netttn— are people who have a mental health condition— are people who have a mental health condition called gender tyspnent.— health condition called gender dysphoria-prefer- health condition called gender dysphoria. prefer to dysphoria. i would prefer to ettt— dysphoria. i would prefer to etttlsek— dysphoria. i would prefer to call sex dysphoria because call it sex dysphoria because i inst— call it sex dysphoria because i inst-ttke— call it sex dysphoria because i inst-ttke tne— call it sex dysphoria because i just-like the term- call it sex dysphoria because i just like the term gender call it sex dysphoria because i jusall. like the term gender call it sex dysphoria because i jusall. we like the term gender call it sex dysphoria because i jusall. we used he term gender call it sex dysphoria because i jusall. we used to term gender call it sex dysphoria because i jusall. we used to usei gender call it sex dysphoria because i jusall. we used to use itjender call it sex dysphoria because i jusall. we used to use it as der at all. we used to use it as a synenwn— at all. we used to use it as a synenyn tet— at all. we used to use it as a synonym for sex. _ at all. we used to use it as a synonym for sex. yes you do. but it's synonym for sex. yes you do. but tt-s-tt-s— synonym for sex. yes you do. but tt-s-tt-s teen— synonym for sex. yes you do. but it's-it's been twisted- synonym for sex. yes you do. but it's it's been twisted to it's been it's been twisted to mean—entirely- mean something entirely ttttetent— mean something entirely. different. _these different. and all of these young— different. and all of these young especially who different. and all of these- young-especially who are different. and all of these youngtaught especially who are different. and all of these youngtaught genderially who are different. and all of these youngtaught gender studieso are different. and all of these youngtaught gender studies inire being taught gender studies in nntwetsttw— being taught gender studies in university, they've come to tettewe— university, they've come to tettewe-ent— university, they've come to believe our gender believe that our gender is senetntnt— believe that our gender is something-we- believe that our gender is something we perform. um, something that we perform. um, wes- — something that we perform. um, wes- _steteetwpes- something that we perform. um, yes. stereotypes and yes. based on stereotypes and tntt— yes. based on stereotypes and that somehow— yes. based on stereotypes and that somehow you're not going to tnt— that somehow you're not going to ttnt tene— that somehow you're not going to find true happiness— that somehow you're not going to find true happiness unless you

tttet— find true happiness unless you ttte-netw— find true happiness unless you tttet-tetw te— find true happiness unless you alter body to perform these alter your body to perform these steteetypes— alter your body to perform these stereotypes_ like . stereotypes more. this is like a entt— stereotypes more. this is like a entt tntt-s— stereotypes more. this is like a cult that's infected all of seetetw— cult that's infected all of seetetw-we- cult that's infected all of society, we just need to get society, and we just need to get the society, and we just need to get tne-tnete— society, and we just need to get the _there because - the truth out there because peepte— the truth out there because peepte ntwe— the truth out there because people have _too - the truth out there because people have _too to people have been too afraid to tttk—tt-s— people have been too afraid to tttk—tt-s wen- talk about it. it's very interesting talking to you now. you strike me as mild you strike me as very mild mannered. not particularly mannered. not not particularly combative mannered. not not particularly conwhate people have yet what you people have attacked you. i mean, i don't know if you've got any footage of there have of this, but there have been people actually people who have actually attacked street for attacked you on the street for wearing this billboard. yes i've had my arm broken. i've been mobbed had my arm broken. i've been nettet tw— had my arm broken. i've been mobbed by 200— et: i've been mobbed by 200 university stntents— mobbed by 200 university students. i've— mobbed by 200 university students. i've been punched ptettttw— probably 20 times. i've probably had 40 different assaults. it's ttent— had 40 different assaults. it's ttent en— had 40 different assaults. it's about on countless times tnestet— about on countless times arrested twice— about on countless times arrested twice after getting tsstnttet — arrested twice after getting assaulted police arrested twice after getting. assaulted - police . assaulted in front of police. so assaulted in front of police. se tees— assaulted in front of police. se tees tntt— assaulted in front of police. so does this not— assaulted in front of police. so does this not make- assaulted in front of police. so does this not make you want to stop? stop? you know , because to stop? stop? you know, because it's unpleasant. you know, it's . no, i'm a good old canadian bov— . no, i'm a good old canadian tew tnt— . no, i'm a good old canadian tew tnt t— . no, i'm a good old canadian tey tnt t inst— . no, i'm a good old canadian boy and i just dig— no, i'm a good old canadian boy and i just dig my heels in more . because— boy and i just dig my heels in more . because .were. boy and i just dig my heels in- more . because .were recently more. because you were recently in i think last last in ireland, i think last last week. and it was interesting. i saw a clip of a police officer who came to caution you or who came up to caution you or threaten with or threaten you with arrest or something. what was going on there? yesterday i was on there? just yesterday i was on grafton in dublin, which grafton street in dublin, which is street in dublin, is the busiest street in dublin, and police came to me and

and the police came up to me and apparently the disney apparently someone at the disney store, had store, of all places, had reported that i'd been inside the well , you reported that i'd been inside the well, you might be the store. well, you might be a enseenent t— the store. well, you might be a customer. i well,— the store. well, you might be a customer. i well, i— 3etittii; well, you might be a customer. i well, i wasn't tnstte— customer. i well, i wasn't inside-store.- customer. i well, i wasn't inside-store. i- customer. i well, i wasn't inside store. i had my signs inside the store. i had my signs on. inside the store. i had my signs t— inside the store. i had my signs t ts— inside the store. i had my signs on. i was outside— inside the store. i had my signs on. i was outside on the street. i'd on. i was outside on the street. tt wttk— on. i was outside on the street. tt wttk tw— on. i was outside on the street. tt wttk tw tne— on. i was outside on the street. i'd walk by the store. yes. but i'd walk by the store. yes. but t tsnt— i'd walk by the store. yes. but t tsnt een— i'd walk by the store. yes. but i wasn't even hanging in iwasn't even hanging out in tent— iwasn't even hanging out in ttent-et— i wasn't even hanging out in front or anything. and so front of it or anything. and so tnts— front of it or anything. and so we enter— front of it or anything. and so this officer hadn't reviewed the cen— this officer hadn't reviewed the eetv—tnwtntnt. - this officer hadn't reviewed the cctv—anything. sol this officer hadn't reviewed the cctv anything. so i cctv footage or anything. so i tekt— cctv footage or anything. so i tett-ttetse— cctv footage or anything. so i told-please go-at. cctv footage or anything. so i told please go at the told him, please go look at the teettte. — told him, please go look at the footage. farage_ told him, please go look at the footage. farage you- told him, please go look at the footage. g /t::t. ea" c told him, please go look at the footage. g /t:::t. ea" c footage. farage you hadn't been in at all? i hadn't in the store at all? i hadn't beenin in the store at all? i hadn't been in the store all, no, been in the store at all, no, no. it's just been in the store at all, no, no. it'sjust a been in the store at all, no, no. it's just a completely made up fabrication. _ no. it's just a completely made up fabrication. .we- it's just a completely made up fabrication. we talked for up fabrication. so we talked for ttent— up fabrication. so we talked for ttent e— up fabrication. so we talked for ttent e et— up fabrication. so we talked for about 6 or minutes and i knew about 6 or 7 minutes and i knew ntnt— about 6 or 7 minutes and i knew ttent-tns— about 6 or 7 minutes and i knew ttent-tnts-wts- about 6 or 7 minutes and i knew right-this-was a- right away this officer was a ptetten. — right away this officer was a peepten. .ne— right away this officer was a problem. he ended up telling problem. and he ended up telling me problem. and he ended up telling ne-tt— problem. and he ended up telling ne-tt t— problem. and he ended up telling me-if i approached- problem. and he ended up telling me if i approached the me that if i approached the stsnew— me that if i approached the ptsney stere— me that if i approached the disney store that i would be tnestet— disney store that i would be arrested._citing| disney store that i would be- arrested._citing some arrested. and he was citing some part— arrested. and he was citing some ptttltnett— arrested. and he was citing some part-their criminal— arrested. and he was citing some part their criminal code part of their criminal code wnete—wenl part of their criminal code. where—you cause where apparently if you cause ettenee— where apparently if you cause offence—that- where apparently if you causei offence _that could offence to someone, that could mean you're violating their enntntt— mean you're violating their criminal_said,| mean you're violating their- criminal_said, well, criminal code. and i said, well, wttt— criminal code. and i said, well, wntt tt— criminal code. and i said, well, wntt tt t— criminal code. and i said, well, wntt tt t ntt— criminal code. and i said, well, what if i had a— criminal code. and i said, well, what if i had a sign on that sttt— what if i had a sign on that are, t— what if i had a sign on that said, i think— what if i had a sign on that said, i think ireland is beautiful.— said, i think ireland is beautiful. some people can take ettenee—tten i offence to that. people from tntttnt— offence to that. people from englandt tet— offence to that. people from england, for example, take england, for example, might take ettenee—ttts- england, for example, might take offence—bits of- offence to that, but bits of ttettnt— offence to that, but bits of- ireland _yeah, ireland are quite rough. yeah, i tnt— ireland are quite rough. yeah, i tnt te— ireland are quite rough. yeah, i mean but he goes— ireland are quite rough. yeah, i mean but he goes yeah, that's true. isaid mean but he goes yeah, that's true. i said well would you

tnest— true. i said well would you arrest them.— true. i said well would you arrest them. so— i said well would you arrest them. so exactly. this is net— arrest them. so exactly. this is net pettetno— arrest them. so exactly. this is not policing, this— arrest them. so exactly. this is not policing, this is thought pettetnt— not policing, this is thought pettetno tnt— not policing, this is thought policing and they have this most tystepttn— policing and they have this most dystopian-about- policing and they have this most dystopian-about to. dystopian law of all about toi come-new-speech dystopian law of all about to- come - new - speech law come in this new hate speech law wnete— come in this new hate speech law wnete tt— come in this new hate speech law where even if you— come in this new hate speech law where even if you something where even if you have something on where even if you have something en—wen- where even if you have something en—wen ntwen-tl on your device that you haven't snttet— on your device that you haven't even shared with— on your device that you haven't even shared with anyone, they teek— even shared with anyone, they teek tt— even shared with anyone, they can look at devices and can look at your devices and petentttttw— can look at your devices and potentially _you. - can look at your devices and potentially you. yeah, potentially arrest you. yeah, wett— potentially arrest you. yeah,| well,_similar well, scotland has a similar tntnt—etn- well, scotland has a similar. tntnt—etn-wen thing where they can arrest you for thing where they can arrest you tet tntnts— thing where they can arrest you tet tntnos yen— thing where they can arrest you for things you say— thing where they can arrest you for things you say in the pnwtew— for things you say in the pnwtew-ewn- for things you say in the. privacy-own home. for things you say in the- privacy-own home. you privacy of your own home. you knew.— privacy of your own home. you knew. tnt— privacy of your own home. you know, and canada— privacy of your own home. you know, and canada certainly has some pretty draconian measures when to this kind of when it comes to this kind of thing. but a very thing. but that's a very interesting point. what you say about offence, as you about causing offence, as you said, said to the said, and as you said to the police officer, literally anything find disney anything i could find disney offensive. shut offensive. can you go and shut that down? right. i do as it happens. yeah. i'm offended that tnew— happens. yeah. i'm offended that tnew-t— happens. yeah. i'm offended that tnew-t tttse— happens. yeah. i'm offended that they-a false report. - they called in a false report. so they called in a false report. se-tnest— they called in a false report. so-arrest them?- they called in a false report. so arrest them? and so can we arrest them? and i sttt— so can we arrest them? and i snt-ntn— so can we arrest them? and i stttlntn, t— so can we arrest them? and i said-him, i said- so can we arrest them? and i said-him, i said if- so can we arrest them? and i said him, i said if someone's said to him, i said if someone's ettentet— said to him, i said if someone's offended, whose— said to him, i said if someone's offended, whose fault that? said to him, i said if someone's offendtproblemtfault that? said to him, i said if someone's offendtproblemisault that? said to him, i said if someone's offendtproblem is that? that? said to him, i said if someone's offendtproblem is that? it'st? said to him, i said if someone's offendtproblem is that? it's the whose problem is that? it's the ptetten— whose problem is that? it's the pretten et— whose problem is that? it's the problem of the— whose problem is that? it's the problem of the person who's ettentet— problem of the person who's offended because being offended is a choice. people say a tnenstnt— is a choice. people say a- thousand _things thousand terrible, nasty things to thousand terrible, nasty things te ne— thousand terrible, nasty things te me even— thousand terrible, nasty things te me every day-— thousand terrible, nasty things to me every day. i— thousand terrible, nasty things to me every day. i don't get ettentet— to me every day. i don't get offended. that's— to me every day. i don't get offended. that's a choice. we neet— offended. that's a choice. we neet-ttte— offended. that's a choice. we need - able to - offended. that's a choice. we need able to manage our need to be able to manage our ewntn-t— need to be able to manage our own-and regulate- need to be able to manage our own-and regulate we own emotions and regulate how we penne— own emotions and regulate how we tenet—tnst— own emotions and regulate how we behave.-just take- behave. we don't just take ettenee— behave. we don't just take offence everything and, you offence to everything and, you knew,— offence to everything and, you knew—tttttel know, cry about every little tntnt— know, cry about every little tntno-tetnt- know, cry about every little tntno-tetntltnl

know, cry about every little thing going in the thing that's going on in the wu,— thing that's going on in the world,-that's- thing that's going on in the world, that's what we're world, but that's what we're tnese— world, but that's what we're tnese-peepte - world, but that's what we're. these-people-we're these are the people who we're tetttnt— these are the people who we're tetttnt-seetetw— these are the people who we're letting society today and letting run society today and tewnte— letting run society today and tewnte-tnt- letting run society today and rewrite and change rewrite our laws and change the wee— rewrite our laws and change the. whole—everyone's whole world. and now everyone's tttttt— whole world. and now everyone's ttent-new— whole world. and now everyone's ttent-new we— whole world. and now everyone's afraid hey, we shouldn't afraid to say, hey, we shouldn't even sterilise— afraid to say, hey, we shouldn't even sterilise kids— afraid to say, hey, we shouldn't even sterilise kids somehow. tnts— even sterilise kids somehow. this controversial and the this is controversial and the neeessttw—tsi necessity for what you do is etetttw— necessity for what you do is etettty tntt— necessity for what you do is clearly that the— necessity for what you do is clearly that the conversation ntsn-t—te - clearly that the conversationi hasn't—to occur hasn't been allowed to occur pteetsetw— hasn't been allowed to occur pteetsety-peeptei hasn't been allowed to occur precisely people are precisely because people are stytnt— precisely because people are- saying—violence. saying your words are violence. ven— saying your words are violence. ken knew.— saying your words are violence. ken knew-weets— saying your words are violence. you know,-words erased- saying your words are violence. you know, your words erased my existence where you think existence where do you think this this this comes from, this hyperbolic, alarmist approach to conversation? this is conversation? well, this is really activists who really all done by activists who don't have don't want us to have a conversation because know conversation because they know as have a rational, as soon as we have a rational, fact based conversation about this, their ideology this, their whole ideology falls to pieces. so when i talk to tnese—tne- to pieces. so when i talk to these _the street. to pieces. so when i talk to. these _the street all these people on the street all these people on the street all tne tne— these people on the street all tne the t— these people on the street all the time, i ask— these people on the street all the time, i ask them questions. tn— the time, i ask them questions. tn net— the time, i ask them questions. tn net tnete— the time, i ask them questions. i'm not there to.— the time, i ask them questions. i'm not there to. you can't entnte— i'm not there to. you can't entnte t— i'm not there to. you can't change a mind— i'm not there to. you can't change a mind of an person change a mind of an angry person on change a mind of an angry person en-stteet.— change a mind of an angry person on-street. that's— change a mind of an angry person on-street. that's not- change a mind of an angry person on street. that's not going change a mind of an angry person on happen.et. that's not going change a mind of an angry person on happen. but'hat's not going change a mind of an angry person on happen. but i'll's not going change a mind of an angry person on happen. but i'll say)t going change a mind of an angry person on happen. but i'll say things; to happen. but i'll say things tntt— to happen. but i'll say things tntt-tttee— to happen. but i'll say things that-agree with- to happen. but i'll say things that agree with because that they agree with because tntt— that they agree with because tntt-tnen— that they agree with because that-them for- that they agree with because that-them for a- that they agree with because that them for a loop and that throws them for a loop and tnew— that throws them for a loop and tnew ten-t— that throws them for a loop and they don't know— that throws them for a loop and they don't know what to do. eense— because i'll say, look, if a etn— because i'll say, look, if a ttt ts— because i'll say, look, if a girl is gender— because i'll say, look, if a girl is gender non—conforming, tetntttnt— girl is gender non—conforming, beautiful, what's— girl is gender non—conforming, beautiful, what's wrong with tntts— beautiful, what's wrong with tntts-tet- beautiful, what's wrong with tntts-tet se- beautiful, what's wrong with that?-get so lost. that? 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going on in their head and tney-te going— going on in their head and they're going to have to go home and they're going to have to go home tnt-ent.— they're going to have to go home tnt-ent. ent— they're going to have to go home and-out. but i'll- they're going to have to go home and out. but i'll ask and figure it out. but i'll ask tnen— and figure it out. but i'll ask them questions— and figure it out. but i'll ask them questions like matt walsh did. them questions like matt walsh ttt. ant— them questions like matt walsh ttt. ant wntt— them questions like matt walsh did. and what woman and did. and what does a woman and tntt— did. and what does a woman and that-documentary,- did. and what does a woman and that documentary, he that fabulous documentary, he tttn-t— that fabulous documentary, he tttn-t ette— that fabulous documentary, he didn't offer opinion once. that fabulous documentary, he didjust ffer opinion once. that fabulous documentary, he didjust asked opinion once. that fabulous documentary, he didjust asked questions)nce. that fabulous documentary, he didjust asked questions of e. that fabulous documentary, he didjust asked questions of the he just asked questions of the se—etttet— so—called world leading experts on so—called world leading experts en—tenten - so—called world leading experts en—tenten ves- so—called world leading experts on gender. yes. and on women and gender. yes. and tnew— on women and gender. yes. and tnew-ewen— on women and gender. yes. and tnew-ewen tekt- on women and gender. yes. andi they-even tell-what they couldn't even tell him what a i they couldn't even tell him what t—t te— they couldn't even tell him what t—t te tnt— they couldn't even tell him what a_l do find that- a woman is. i do find that approach of you know, being gentle and amenable and not taking antagonistic approach taking an antagonistic approach exposes them all the more. and we've that the posey. we've seen that with the posey. parker speak events parker let women speak events where ended up punching where they've ended up punching women in the face. yeah. and spetktnt— women in the face. yeah. and speaking-parker,- speaking of posey parker, she tetntttw— speaking of posey parker, she was actually inspiration for was actually the inspiration for new— was actually the inspiration for new-sttnet— was actually the inspiration for how started because the how i got started because the test— how i got started because the test tntnt— how i got started because the test the t— how i got started because the first thing i did— how i got started because the first thing i did was follow her tett. — first thing i did was follow her tett. -pnt— first thing i did was follow her tett. -pnt-sttnl first thing i did was follow heri lead.-put-sign at lead. she had put up a sign at the edinburgh— lead. she had put up a sign at the edinburgh train station that sttt— the edinburgh train station that an, t— the edinburgh train station that an, t tewe— the edinburgh train station that said, i love j.k._ the edinburgh train station that said, i love j.k. rowling. i nettt— said, i love j.k. rowling. i heart-rowling.- said, i love j.k. rowling. i heart rowling. yes and heart j.k. rowling. yes and it got— heart j.k. rowling. yes and it tet-tewn— heart j.k. rowling. yes and it got-down after- heart j.k. rowling. yes and it got down after one day got taken down after one day tense— got taken down after one day because some— got taken down after one day because some people on twitter eenptttnet— because some people on twitter complained because complained and i said because a seeenttw— complained and i said because a secondary campaign is secondary part of my campaign is tteeten— secondary part of my campaign is freedom-speech,— secondary part of my campaign is freedom speech, because we freedom of speech, because we snentt— freedom of speech, because we snenttlttte— freedom of speech, because we should i able to _ freedom of speech, because we should able to about should be able to talk about issues, especially issues ttteettnt— issues, especially issues- affecting _ health affecting our children's health for affecting our children's health tet—tnen- affecting our children's health for—their lives.- affecting our children's health for their lives. and affecting our children's health figot their lives. and affecting our children's health figot tired their lives. and affecting our children's health figot tired people .ives. and affecting our children's health figot tired people getting d i got tired of people getting teet— i got tired of people getting tttet tnt— i got tired of people getting fired and all— i got tired of people getting fired and all that. so i put up a fired and all that. so i put up t nnte— fired and all that. so i put up a huge billboard— fired and all that. so i put up a huge billboard in vancouver tntt— a huge billboard in vancouver tntt sttt— a huge billboard in vancouver that said the— a huge billboard in vancouver that said the same thing. it got ttken—ene- that said the same thing. it got ttken—ene ttw- that said the same thing. it got. taken _one day because taken down after one day because of taken down after one day because et—tt- of vancouver. politician said it

wts-speeen. — of vancouver. politician said it was-speech. what- of vancouver. politician said it was speech. it"; of vancouver. politician said it was speech. was hate speech. what to love pk. — was hate speech. what to love j.k. yeah, it had a big j.k. rowling yeah, it had a big red on it. yeah, they took red heart on it. yeah, they took it red heart on it. yeah, they took tt-tnt— red heart on it. yeah, they took tt-tnt tt— red heart on it. yeah, they took tt-tnt tt tet— red heart on it. yeah, they took it-and it got paint- ”cc e yeah, they took it and it got paint bombed it down and it got paint bombed ewetnttnt. — it down and it got paint bombed overnight. _then- it down and it got paint bombed overnight.-then i- it down and it got paint bombed overnight. then i put up overnight. and so then i put up ttent— overnight. and so then i put up ttent so— overnight. and so then i put up ttent so et— overnight. and so then i put up about 30 or 40— overnight. and so then i put up about 30 or 40 more throughout the about 30 or 40 more throughout tne ns— about 30 or 40 more throughout tne us tnt— about 30 or 40 more throughout the us and then— about 30 or 40 more throughout the us and then i— about 30 or 40 more throughout the us and then i ran out of nenew— the us and then i ran out of nenew tnt— the us and then i ran out of neney tnt t— the us and then i ran out of money and i had— the us and then i ran out of money and i had no way to reach peepte.— money and i had no way to reach peepte-lt— money and i had no way to reach peeptelt tntt— money and i had no way to reach people-il quit my— money and i had no way to reach people. i quit my job. i used people. so i quit my job. i used to people. so i quit my job. i used te-t— people. so i quit my job. i used te-t pett— people. so i quit my job. i used te-t tett tet— to have a real job as a financial— to have a real job as a financial guy,- to have a real job as a financial guy, but i quit ewewtntno— financial guy, but i quit everything and i became human everything and i became a human stntwten— everything and i became a human stntwten-tnst— everything and i became a human sandwich-just like- everything and i became a human sandwich-just like i- everything and i became a human sandwich just like i told sandwich board just like i told my ennen— sandwich board just like i told my t— sandwich board just like i told my mum i would— sandwich board just like i told my mum i would do when i was otewtnt— my mum i would do when i was otewtnt-t— my mum i would do when i was otewtnt-t-tt-sl my mum i would do when i was otewtnt-t-tt-s t| growing up. well, i think it's a very— growing up. well, i think it's a very etteettwe — growing up. well, i think it's a very effective approach that wene— very effective approach that wen-te-tnst- very effective approach that you're-just quickly| you're taking. just quickly before how can people before you go, how can people find out more about you? billboard and i do all my billboard .com and i do all my campaigning at campaigning on twitter at billboard chris instagram as well. so much for well. chris thanks so much for tetntnt— well. chris thanks so much for tetntnoltettw. — well. chris thanks so much for joining-today. and- chris thanks so much for joining today. 't: chris thanks so much for joining today. t: joining us today. and after the break free speech nation break on free speech nation should their should parents take their children holiday term children on holiday during term time? i'm going be speaking time? i'm going to be speaking to mother has just to a mother who has done just that education expert. that and an education expert. that's next. who

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channel. britain is watching. weteene— channel. britain is watching. welcome back— channel. britain is watching. welcome back to free speech wttten. — welcome back to free speech wttten. se— welcome back to free speech nation. so later— welcome back to free speech nation. so later in- welcome back to free speech nation. " nation. so later in the show, i'm going to be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel, cressida, wetton and josh howie to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. please unfiltered dilemmas. so please do at do email us at gbviews@gbnews.uk. if you've got any problems whatsoever. and we will do our best to try and answer your issues. as this week answer your issues. as this week a mum went viral for saying she saves thousands of pounds every year by taking her children on houday year by taking her children on holiday during term time. single mum rachel smith took her children to majorca and magaluf in may and june. last year and paid over £3,000 less than she would have done in august. she says she stands by her decision and in fact has only just got back from her latest holiday. so what about the cost, if there is one, to her child's education? i'm delighted to say we can speak to rachel smith right now and i'm also joined by tom bewick, the visiting professor of education staffordshire of education at staffordshire university. both . university. welcome both. rachel, i'm going to come to you first. firstly , did you have

first. firstly, did you have a teet— first. firstly, did you have a oeet nettttw— first. firstly, did you have a good holiday ? _ �*" firstly, did you have a good holiday ? cit" �*" firstly, did you have a good holiday ? o" “i good holiday? oh, rachel is frozen, so it's probably not as hot as we thought they were in magaluf what do you make of this, tom so you know, you're a professor specialising in education. should parents be taking the law into their own hands? yeah i'm also a dad of twee— hands? yeah i'm also a dad of tntee seneet— hands? yeah i'm also a dad of three school aged— :7 / i'm also a dad of three school aged children. and teek— three school aged children. and teek, t— three school aged children. and teek, t netn— three school aged children. and look, i mean, i— three school aged children. and look, i mean, i don't agree that pttents—tne- look, i mean, i don't agree that parents—the law. look, i mean, i don't agree thati parents _the law into parents should take the law into tnen— parents should take the law into tnett—stnptel their own hands for the simple tntt— their own hands for the simple reason that there— their own hands for the simple reason that there are tens of tnenstnts— reason that there are tens of thousands of— reason that there are tens of thousands of parents. if they're all thousands of parents. if they're ttt tetnt— thousands of parents. if they're all doing that,— thousands of parents. if they're all doing that, would be all doing that, it would be entes— all doing that, it would be entes tn— all doing that, it would be chaos in our— all doing that, it would be chaos in our schools. that said, you— chaos in our schools. that said, wen—en— chaos in our schools. that said, wen—en tne- you know, i took on the government— you know, i took on the government this issue back you know, i took on the- government.this issue back in government on this issue back in sets—enti— government on this issue back in sets—enttt et- government on this issue back in 2016_chair of the - 2016 when i was chair of the teett— 2016 when i was chair of the local education— 2016 when i was chair of the local education authority in nttenten— local education authority in brighton- hove, - local education authority in brighton hove, one of the brighton and hove, one of the more-authorities- more difficult authorities to be a more difficult authorities to be t—tn— more difficult authorities to be t—tn wttn- a political leader in with, i'm tne— a political leader in with, i'm sure the green— a political leader in with, i'm sure the green party with their nett— sure the green party with their nett ttee — sure the green party with their meat free mondays and bringing steep—stntt- meat free mondays and bringing. sheep—south downs sheep down from the south downs for sheep down from the south downs tet-ettntnt— sheep down from the south downs for calming measures and for traffic calming measures and tntnts—nnt- for traffic calming measures and tntnts—nnt t- things of that nature. but i was pettttenet— things of that nature. but i was pettttenet tw— things of that nature. but i was pettttenet ty ty— things of that nature. but i was petitioned by by parents about the petitioned by by parents about tne tetn— petitioned by by parents about the term time— petitioned by by parents about the term time holidays. the eennett— the term time holidays. the eennett tt— the term time holidays. the council at the— the term time holidays. the council at the time was issuing tnenstnts— council at the time was issuing tnenstnts et— council at the time was issuing thousands of fines— council at the time was issuing thousands of fines a year and i ntnttet— thousands of fines a year and i ntnttet te— thousands of fines a year and i ntntoet te pnt— thousands of fines a year and i managed to put a— thousands of fines a year and i managed to put a stop on that in part— managed to put a stop on that in

ptn tense— managed to put a stop on that in part because there— managed to put a stop on that in part because there was a guy peepte— part because there was a guy some people may remember him, john— some people may remember him, tenn pun,— some people may remember him, john platt, who— some people may remember him, john platt, who actually his etse-nts— john platt, who actually his case,-his case- john platt, who actually his case, his case from for case, he won his case from for an case, he won his case from for tn tntnenset— case, he won his case from for an authorised short term time tseneet— an authorised short term time absence with— an authorised short term time absence with a— an authorised short term time absence with a magistrates eenn— absence with a magistrates eenn. ent— absence with a magistrates court. but then— absence with a magistrates court. but then the supreme eenet— court. but then the supreme court overturned— court. but then the supreme court overturned it. and then ttent— court overturned it. and then ttent-tne— court overturned it. and then about-time what- court overturned it. and then about time what i decided about that time what i decided to about that time what i decided te te— about that time what i decided te te ts— about that time what i decided te te te— about that time what i decided to do was to shift— about that time what i decided to do was to shift the term time nettttw— to do was to shift the term time holiday-october— to do was to shift the term time holiday-october to- to do was to shift the term time holiday october to make it holiday in october to make it twe— holiday in october to make it twe weeks— holiday in october to make it two weeks shorten the summer nettttw— two weeks shorten the summer netttty wnten— two weeks shorten the summer holiday, which actually a lot of pttents— holiday, which actually a lot of pttents etten— holiday, which actually a lot of parents often say— holiday, which actually a lot of parents often say summer parents often say the summer nettttws— parents often say the summer nettttws-tent. - parents often say the summer holidays long. yes. and holidays are too long. yes. and we experimented— holidays are too long. yes. and we experimented that with that for we experimented that with that tet twe — we experimented that with that tet twe wets — we experimented that with that for two years. but— we experimented that with that for two years. but eventually, tetntttw— for two years. but eventually, actually teaching workforce, actually the teaching workforce, essentttttw— actually the teaching workforce, essentially the _ actually the teaching workforce, essentially the unions didn't ttke— essentially the unions didn't ttke tne— essentially the unions didn't like the fact— essentially the unions didn't like the fact that it was misaligned— like the fact that it was misaligned with other local authorities _ misaligned with other local authorities and— misaligned with other local authorities and overturned it tnt— authorities and overturned it tnt tt— authorities and overturned it and it changed. �*ft�*tigl and it changed. well, part of the problem , though, isn't it, the problem, though, isn't it, is that, you know, as a teacher, i mean, i've been teacher i mean, i've been a teacher myself. is that if people are absent have sort of absent and you have to sort of cover the same ground again, it actually does make your job very, hard. and it is hard very, very hard. and it is hard when days off when kids miss a days off school. yeah, absolutely. and teek— school. yeah, absolutely. and teek, wen— school. yeah, absolutely. and teek, wen-tne- i yeah, absolutely. and look, you the experience look, you know, the experience of look, you know, the experience et tne— look, you know, the experience of the pandemic— look, you know, the experience of the pandemic shows with the test— of the pandemic shows with the test tettntnt— of the pandemic shows with the lost learning that— of the pandemic shows with the lost learning that it's really detrimental— lost learning that it's reallyi detrimental—their detrimental for kids for their for detrimental for kids for their tet—tsl detrimental for kids for their. tet—tswett. for their mental health as well. so for their mental health as well. se-tntt— for their mental health as well. se-tntt sttt- for their mental health as well. so-that saidido- for their mental health as well. so that said do think

so you know that said i do think ttene-s— so you know that said i do think tnete-sleenpte— so you know that said i do think there'slcouplelvery- there's a couple of very pttettett— there's a couple of very practical-thatj there's a couple of very- practical-that the practical measures that the oewetnnent— practical measures that the government could support here. i mean,-legislation_ government could support here. i mean, legislation in mean, the legislation changed in sets.— mean, the legislation changed in 2013. _teachers _ mean, the legislation changed in 2013. teachers have 2013. head teachers have wttntttw— 2013. head teachers have virtually discretion really virtually no discretion really ttent— virtually no discretion really ttent tns— virtually no discretion really about this. i— virtually no discretion really about this. i mean, i remember a guy— about this. i mean, i remember a ony tetntntnt— about this. i mean, i remember a guy returning from _ about this. i mean, i remember a guy returning from a tour in atontntsttn— guy returning from a tour in afghanistan working with the ntnttn— afghanistan working with the ntttttw tn— afghanistan working with the military in tears that he eenttn-t— military in tears that he couldn't take- military in tears that he couldn't take his kids on a nettttw.— couldn't take his kids on a netttty. ne— couldn't take his kids on a holiday. he was- couldn't take his kids on a holiday. he was worried about the holiday. he was worried about tne tne,— holiday. he was worried about the fine, obviously, being in our armed forces. he didn't want to our armed forces. he didn't want te ttetk— our armed forces. he didn't want te ttetk tne— our armed forces. he didn't want to break the law.— our armed forces. he didn't want to break the law. the point he ntte— to break the law. the point he ntte te— to break the law. the point he ntte te ne— to break the law. the point he made to me was— to break the law. the point he made to me was that that was the entw— made to me was that that was the entw tne— made to me was that that was the entw ttne ne— made to me was that that was the enty ttne ne tet— made to me was that that was the only time he got to— made to me was that that was the only time he got to see his kids to only time he got to see his kids te spent— only time he got to see his kids te spent see— only time he got to see his kids to spend some quality time. so i do to spend some quality time. so i te tntnk— to spend some quality time. so i do think there— to spend some quality time. so i do think there should be more ttsetetten— do think there should be more discretion-head— do think there should be more discretion head teachers. it discretion for head teachers. it snenttn-t— discretion for head teachers. it snenttn-t tnst— discretion for head teachers. it shouldn't just about at close shouldn't just be about at close ttnttw— shouldn't just be about at close ttnttw-ptsstnt- family members passing and tnnettts. — family members passing and funerals. ithink— family members passing and funerals. think there funerals. i think there are etnet— funerals. i think there are other exceptional circumstances. i other exceptional circumstances. t ttse— other exceptional circumstances. t ttse tntnk— other exceptional circumstances. i also think, you— other exceptional circumstances. i also think, you know, chancellor— i also think, you know, chancellor fisk albie could do tntnts— chancellor fisk albie could do tntnts ttke— chancellor fisk albie could do tntnos ttke sty— chancellor fisk albie could do things like say to— chancellor fisk albie could do things like say to the travel tntnstw. — things like say to the travel tntnstw. t— things like say to the travel industry. i don't— things like say to the travel industry. i don't believe in maximum prices for holidays. i'd be maximum prices for holidays. i'd telttt— maximum prices for holidays. i'd belbit stalinist,— maximum prices for holidays. i'd be bit stalinist, but i do be a bit stalinist, but i do tntnk— be a bit stalinist, but i do think things— be a bit stalinist, but i do think things like air passenger tntw— think things like air passenger tntw .— think things like air passenger tntw , tet— think things like air passenger duty , for example, could be duty, for example, could be snspentet— duty, for example, could be suspended-the- duty, for example, could be suspended the period the suspended over the period of the teen — suspended over the period of the teen .nettttws— term time holidays on the eentttten— term time holidays on the condition that— term time holidays on the condition that travel condition that the travel tntnstw— condition that the travel industry cheaper condition that the travel- industry-cheaper holidays industry offers cheaper holidays for industry offers cheaper holidays tet-tnests. — industry offers cheaper holidays for-guests. well,— industry offers cheaper holidays for guests. well, let's for our guests. well, let's see if for our guests. well, let's see tt we— for our guests. well, let's see tt we etn— for our guests. well, let's see tt we tet— for our guests. well, let's see

if we can get rachel smith back tewn— if we can get rachel smith back tewn tne— if we can get rachel smith back now down the line. “i eiz; now down the line. rachel, are you— now down the line. rachel, are you there? hello?— now down the line. rachel, are you there? hello? yes,- now down the line. rachel, are you there? hello? yes, i- now down the line. “i eiz; g�*tz;”t:i;7’ hello? yes, i am. you there? hello? yes, i am. so were you not afraid of the fact that you were bound to be fined by taking holidays during term time ? no with the fines being so time? no with the fines being so nnen— time? no with the fines being so nnen enetpet— time? no with the fines being so much cheaper than— e itii7 \tt:::t with the fines being so much cheaper than when you epte— much cheaper than when you epte tne— much cheaper than when you compare the price in the summer , tet— compare the price in the summer , tet ene— compare the price in the summer , tet tt— compare the price in the summer , tet tt ts— compare the price in the summer , tet tt t— compare the price in the summer , for me, it was a no— compare the price in the summer , for me, it was a no brainer. se— , for me, it was a no brainer. se wen-we— , for me, it was a no brainer. so you've actually- , for me, it was a no brainer. so you've actually made a sttno— so you've actually made a stwtno een— so you've actually made a saving, even taking into account the saving, even taking into account tne tnes— saving, even taking into account the fines that— saving, even taking into account the fines that you've had to pay 7 the fines that you've had to pay s ves— the fines that you've had to pay s kes .— the fines that you've had to pay s kes . t— the fines that you've had to pay ? yes , a considerable- the fines that you've had to pay ? yes, a considerable amount of money as save by travelling in term time and not the holidays . term time and not the holidays. and so has there been any kind of stigma about taking your children out? do you feel that there's a risk that they might have missed some important aspects to their education? i do appreciate what the i ” :i7 i do appreciate what the teachers say wttn — appreciate what the teachers say wttn tetttts— appreciate what the teachers say with regards having to catch up wttt— with regards having to catch up wttn tne— with regards having to catch up with the children— with regards having to catch up with the children , but i also with the children, but i also ten-t— with the children, but i also don't recklessly— with the children, but i also don't recklessly go out for nettttws.— don't recklessly go out for nettttws. t— don't recklessly go out for holidays. i do— don't recklessly go out for holidays. i do look for calendar . i holidays. i do look for calendar . t te— holidays. i do look for calendar . t te ntke— holidays. i do look for calendar

. i do make sure— holidays. i do look for calendar . i do make sure that i take tntt— . i do make sure that i take into account— . i do make sure that i take into account any- . i do make sure that i take into account any patient really tnpetttnt— into account any patient really tnpetttnt .— into account any patient really tnpentnt . tne— into account any patient really important. the year leading up to important. the year leading up te nw— important. the year leading up te my sens— important. the year leading up to my son's sats,_ important. the year leading up to my son's sats, i made sure tntt— to my son's sats, i made sure tntt ne— to my son's sats, i made sure tntt ne ts— to my son's sats, i made sure that he was in— to my son's sats, i made sure that he was in school, so he was ttene— that he was in school, so he was tnete teen — that he was in school, so he was there from sats— that he was in school, so he was there from sats and— that he was in school, so he was there from sats and then we go on there from sats and then we go en nettttw— there from sats and then we go en nettttw tne— there from sats and then we go on holiday the day— there from sats and then we go on holiday the day we are losing you on holiday the day we are losing wen tnete— on holiday the day we are losing wen tnete t— on holiday the day we are losing wen tnete t tt— on holiday the day we are losing you there a bit. _ on holiday the day we are losing you there a bit. “i you there a bit. rachel so i'm going to go over to tom now. so that's the question, isn't it? i think that's what a lot of people watching will be thinking. rachel's making the point that she's not damaging her children's education. but if point that she's not damaging her set dren's education. but if point that she's not damaging her set drprecedenttion. but if point that she's not damaging her set drprecedent where ut if point that she's not damaging her set drprecedent where one you set a precedent where one parent can take the child out at any point pay the fine any point and will pay the fine because they're still an because they're still making an overall that's going to overall saving, that's going to be other i be appealing to other parents, i think. she's it, think. well, if she's doing it, we'll do it as well. and then you have sort of free for all. you have a sort of free for all. yeah, well, that's what i was stwtnt— yeah, well, that's what i was stwtno ttent— yeah, well, that's what i was saying about it's— yeah, well, that's what i was saying about it's just results in saying about it's just results tn t— saying about it's just results tn t entette— saying about it's just results in a chaotic education system. were— in a chaotic education system.. ttene—wttt there are 9 million parents with ktts— there are 9 million parents with ktts-seneets- there are 9 million parents with kids-schoolslthe. kids at 27,000 schools in the nk. — kids at 27,000 schools in the nk. t— kids at 27,000 schools in the nk. t netn— kids at 27,000 schools in the nk. t wen— kids at 27,000 schools in the uk. i mean, you just imagine tetenets— uk. i mean, you just imagine teachers tearing— uk. i mean, you just imagine teachers tearing their out teachers tearing their hair out wttt—ttwl teachers tearing their hair out. wttt—ttw tnte with parents taking the law into tnet— with parents taking the law into tnett-ntnts— with parents taking the law into their- hands and— with parents taking the law into their hands and just their own hands and just teetttnt— their own hands and just deciding-their. their own hands and just deciding-their out deciding to take their kids out of deciding to take their kids out et seneet— deciding to take their kids out et seneet tn— deciding to take their kids out of school in that— deciding to take their kids out of school in that unauthorised ntk— of school in that unauthorised wtw. t— of school in that unauthorised wtw. t ttwen— of school in that unauthorised way. i favour just— of school in that unauthorised way. i favour just more flexible

tntnenset— way. i favour just more flexible authorised approach to leave wnete— authorised approach to leave where actually— authorised approach to leave where actually the conditions in when— where actually the conditions in wnten wen— where actually the conditions in wnten wen etn— where actually the conditions in which you can take your child outt— which you can take your child on, wnten— which you can take your child out, which might— which you can take your child out, which might include, by the way— out, which might include, by the wtw|pttents— out, which might include, by the way parents, maybe are way, parents, maybe parents are going— way, parents, maybe parents are going tnttntt— way, parents, maybe parents are going tntenon t— way, parents, maybe parents are going through a divorce, maybe tnete-s— going through a divorce, maybe tnete-s t— going through a divorce, maybe there's a parent— going through a divorce, maybe there's a parent that's got access issues— there's a parent that's got access issues limited access tnew— access issues limited access issues. they should be given more flexibility— issues. they should be given more flexibility in the system . more flexibility in the system. ent— more flexibility in the system. tnt we— more flexibility in the system. tnt we-t— more flexibility in the system. but we _a debate - more flexibility in the system. but we a debate about what but we need a debate about what tnese— but we need a debate about what those exceptions— but we need a debate about what those exceptions should be. but tees— those exceptions should be. but tees tntt— those exceptions should be. but does that matter?— those exceptions should be. but does that matter? but- those exceptions should be. but does that matter? but what about holidays? know, holidays? i mean, you know, those can include those kind of things can include holidays, view. if, for holidays, in my view. if, for example, as i say,- : " . if, for example, as i say, you've got someone who's returning from an overseas mission,— someone who's returning from an overseas mission, that's the entw— overseas mission, that's the entw etneen— overseas mission, that's the only chance they're going to get to only chance they're going to get te-tnttttw— only chance they're going to get te-tnttttw tne- only chance they're going to get to quality time with their to spend quality time with their ettttten— to spend quality time with their children. yes,— to spend quality time with their children. yes, the— to spend quality time with their children. yes, the state snenttn-t— children. yes, the state. shouldn't—that children. yes, the state- shouldn't_that point shouldn't throw in at that point tnt— shouldn't throw in at that point and-absolutely— shouldn't throw in at that point and absolutely one size fits and say absolutely one size fits ttt.— and say absolutely one size fits ttt. tne— and say absolutely one size fits all. the ideology— and say absolutely one size fits all. the ideology is any child tntt-s— all. the ideology is any child was net— all. the ideology is any child that's not in— all. the ideology is any child that's not in school term time. so.— that's not in school term time. see-tne— that's not in school term time. 90.-the definition- that's not in school term time. 90. the definition that 90. that's the definition that etstet— 90. that's the definition that etstet nse— 90. that's the definition that ofsted use for,— 90. that's the definition that ofsted use for, if— 90. that's the definition that ofsted use for, if you like, petststtnt— ofsted use for, if you like, persisting absence, in effect , persisting absence, in effect, ettttnt— persisting absence, in effect, calling parents— persisting absence, in effect, calling parents and children ttntnts— calling parents and children ttntnts .— calling parents and children ttntnts . t— calling parents and children truants . i don't— calling parents and children truants . i don't think it's good truants. i don't think it's good to criminalise_ truants. i don't think it's good to criminalise parents and entttten— to criminalise parents and children in— to criminalise parents and children in that situation . children in that situation. wttt— children in that situation. wttt ttent— children in that situation. what about the— children in that situation. what about the impact on the child? because if the child is taken out for holidays, i mean, that might generate quite a lot of resentment from other kids

who don't get kind of who don't get those kind of perks. idon't who don't get those kind of perks. i don't know. i it perks. i don't know. i mean, it tepents— perks. i don't know. i mean, it depends. there's— i don't know. i mean, it depends. there's some kids who i don't know. i mean, it depen notthere's some kids who i don't know. i mean, it depen not think; some kids who i don't know. i mean, it depen not think megalithss who i don't know. i mean, it depen not think megaliths are 10 might not think megaliths are ptntenttttw—te. might not think megaliths are. ptntenttttw—te. particularly great place to go. ttsee-s— particularly great place to go. there's-they're- particularly great place to go. there's-they're very- there's others they're very discerning. might want to go. yeah, know, who knows? who yeah, you know, who knows? who knewss—tne — yeah, you know, who knows? who knows?_the point- yeah, you know, who knows? who knows?_the point is. knows? but i think the point is pttents— knows? but i think the point is parents, parents— knows? but i think the point is parents, parents who after all, are parents, parents who after all, tee-ttttest— parents, parents who after all, are biggest educators are the biggest educators of ttt.— are the biggest educators of ttt-tne— are the biggest educators of all. _the state - are the biggest educators of all. the state parents all. it's not the state parents ttwe— all. it's not the state parents ntweltett— all. it's not the state parents have real responsibility to have a real responsibility to etnette— have a real responsibility to educate-kids- have a real responsibility to educate-kids .- have a real responsibility to educate-kids. i- have a real responsibility to educate kids . i would educate their kids. i would tnetnte— educate their kids. i would include overseas holidays or tnteet— include overseas holidays or indeed domestic— include overseas holidays or indeed domestic holidays in that etnttten— indeed domestic holidays in that etnttten. ent— indeed domestic holidays in that equation. but it's— indeed domestic holidays in that equation. but it's got to be tene— equation. but it's got to be done within— equation. but it's got to be done within an— equation. but it's got to be done within an authorised system . wetn— done within an authorised system . wett. ntntt— done within an authorised system . well, might there— done within an authorised system . well, might there be- done within an authorised system . well, might there be a- done within an authorised system . well, might there be a system whereby you can take your child out long as you keeping out as long as you are keeping up with the work in one way or another on the holiday? i mean, could be implemented? yeah. could that be implemented? yeah. so you slip so for example, if you slip below the 90, i mean it equates to about seven days and to about taking seven days and authorised so for many authorised absence. so for many of are authorised absence. so for many et—tte nset— authorised absence. so for many et—tte nset te- authorised absence. so for many of_are used to work. of those that are used to work and— of those that are used to work and the— of those that are used to work and the workplace we know you can - authorised _ and the workplace we know you can authorised leave with can take authorised leave with your— can take authorised leave with your-manager— can take authorised leave with your-manager ,— can take authorised leave with your manager , you book your line manager, you book the leave— your line manager, you book the leave-advance— your line manager, you book the leave-advance .— your line manager, you book the leave-advance . i— your line manager, you book the leave advance . i think there leave in advance. i think there is something— leave in advance. i think there is something about saying look, is something about saying, look, as long— is something about saying, look, as long as— is something about saying, look, as long as your— is something about saying, look, as long as your child is not falling— as long as your child is not falling behind,— as long as your child is not falling behind, they're falling behind, as long they're not falling behind, as long they're ass-ssaaaa— falling behind, as long they're not school. maybe that falling behind, as long they're not days school. maybe that

falling behind, as long they're not days which hool. maybe that falling behind, as long they're not days which equatesybe that falling behind, as long they're not days which equates toe that falling behind, as long they're not days which equates to about five days which equates to about a-ams— five days which equates to about a-mams af— five days which equates to about a-mams of a— five days which equates to about a terms of a holiday , a a week in terms of a holiday, a seven-holiday,— a week in terms of a holiday, a seven holiday, then again, seven day holiday, then again, psmaps— seven day holiday, then again, perhaps government could look at the perhaps government could look at ams—.— perhaps government could look at ams—, wmsm— perhaps government could look at ams—, wmsm ay- perhaps government could look at the_, which, by the- the guidelines, which, by the way,— the guidelines, which, by the was—ml the guidelines, which, by the. was—m zom- way, were only changed in 2013. same— way, were only changed in 2013. same mem— way, were only changed in 2013. same mam .— way, were only changed in 2013. before then , heads had a lot before then, heads had a lot more discretion— before then, heads had a lot more discretion about giving paasms— more discretion about giving pamms yes— more discretion about giving pamms yes a— more discretion about giving parents yes, a bit of slack and saying,— parents yes, a bit of slack and saymg, mam— parents yes, a bit of slack and saying, look, okay, i understand you saying, look, okay, i understand yaa mam— saying, look, okay, i understand you mam aa— saying, look, okay, i understand you want to take— saying, look, okay, i understand you want to take your child out, but you want to take your child out, am mem— you want to take your child out, am them as— you want to take your child out, but there is also— you want to take your child out, but there is also what you auaasa— but there is also what you auaasa aa— but there is also what you alluded to before, which is that mass— alluded to before, which is that there's something— alluded to before, which is that there's something quite unjust abom— there's something quite unjust about mo— there's something quite unjust about ams-m— there's something quite unjust about the in which the about the way in which the holiday— about the way in which the holiday _whackl holiday companies whack up the moss— holiday companies whack up the mass during— holiday companies whack up the prices during these periods of amo— prices during these periods of same whom— prices during these periods of time when _that. prices during these periods of- time when _that parents time when they know that parents have — time when they know that parents have no — time when they know that parents have no choice.— time when they know that parents have no choice. _ time when they know that parents have no choice. but,— time when they know that parents have no choice. but, you know, if to take the if you're going to take the libertarian can't libertarian view, you can't really imposing change really start imposing any change because the demand is higher dunng because the demand is higher during times. yeah, i during those times. yeah, i mean, got during those times. yeah, i mean,-got some- during those times. yeah, i. mean,-got some sympathy during those times. yeah, i- mean,-got some sympathy on mean, i've got some sympathy on the mean, i've got some sympathy on ams-of— mean, i've got some sympathy on ams-of ms— mean, i've got some sympathy on ams-of us a— mean, i've got some sympathy on the-of it's a supply- mean, i've got some sympathy on the of it's a supply and the sense of it's a supply and demand,— the sense of it's a supply and demand,-actually- the sense of it's a supply and demand, actually a bit odd demand, but actually a bit odd whom— demand, but actually a bit odd whom you— demand, but actually a bit odd when you often— demand, but actually a bit odd when you often see some of our magma— when you often see some of our mggosa mam— when you often see some of our biggest flight carriers offering mamas— biggest flight carriers offering retirees and— biggest flight carriers offering retirees and pensioners. some of mem— retirees and pensioners. some of mom—om- retirees and pensioners. some of them —om ozo- retirees and pensioners. some of them _off, £20 toi them are quite well off, £20 to go so— them are quite well off, £20 to go so spam— them are quite well off, £20 to go so spam m— them are quite well off, £20 to go to spain in return . and then go to spain in return. and then during— go to spain in return. and then during a— go to spain in return. and then during a seam— go to spain in return. and then during a term time, which by the way,— during a term time, which by the way, mo— during a term time, which by the way, mo mouaay— during a term time, which by the way, the holiday companies know ams— way, the holiday companies know ams awo— way, the holiday companies know ams mo yeas— way, the holiday companies know this, two years in— way, the holiday companies know this, two years in advance, loca— this, two years in advance, local authorities have to publish— local authorities have to publish two _ local authorities have to publish two years in advance

what— publish two years in advance umaa mou— publish two years in advance what their term— publish two years in advance what their term time holidays mu— what their term time holidays wan-so— what their term time holidays wan-so you— what their term time holidays will-so you can't- what their term time holidays will so you can't even i will be. so you can't even i .— will be. so you can't even i mean, i was trying to get round it mean, i was trying to get round as m— mean, i was trying to get round as m pam— mean, i was trying to get round a m pam oy— mean, i was trying to get round it in part by double guessing mom— it in part by double guessing mom, buo— it in part by double guessing them, butlthink_ it in part by double guessing them, but think the key is to them, but i think the key is to look— them, but i think the key is to look msoauy— them, but i think the key is to look fiscally at— them, but i think the key is to look fiscally at suspending the air passenger— look fiscally at suspending the air passenger duty during that period— air passenger duty during that period om— air passenger duty during that period on ma— air passenger duty during that period on the condition that moss— period on the condition that moss mom— period on the condition that these more affordable holidays are these more affordable holidays omoaoa— these more affordable holidays are offered to— these more affordable holidays are offered to families in gamouaau — are offered to families in particular. kiwi“ �*" g particular. well, if nothing else, just having a debate about what the possible solution could be, because it's clear that rachel isn't alone in this situation. there's lots of parents who are mean, there's parents who are i mean, there's a why she's gone viral a reason why she's gone viral this because this week. and it's because a lot people are feeling the lot of people are feeling the same pressures. yeah same kind of pressures. yeah and i think a lot of people aom-o— and i think a lot of people aom-o um— and i think a lot of people don't like bossy- and i think a lot of people don't like bossy town halls assumg— don't like bossy town halls issuing-fines,- don't like bossy town halls issuing fines, which issuing these fines, which frankly,— issuing these fines, which frankly-ms- issuing these fines, which frankly, it's become frankly, i mean, it's become yet anoma— frankly, i mean, it's become yet another stealth— frankly, i mean, it's become yet another stealth. it's- frankly, i mean, it's become yet another stealth it's a bit another stealth tax. it's a bit um— another stealth tax. it's a bit um gammg— another stealth tax. it's a bit like parking tickets. and i- mean,_challenging mean, i remember challenging ommas— officials in the local authority to officials in the local authority oo-aoouauy- officials in the local authority to - actually where l officials in the local authority to actually where the to ask them actually where the money— to ask them actually where the money-going,— to ask them actually where the money going, because money was going, because i ammo,— money was going, because i ammo-m— money was going, because i think,-if the - money was going, because i think, if the money's think, fine, if the money's going— think, fine, if the money's- gomg—suggommg going into example supporting moss—moa- going into example supporting moss—mot ml those children who are not in oauoauom— those children who are not in education,-or- education, training or employment you education, training or- employment-you know, education, training or— employment-you know, in employment at all, you know, in locat— employment at all, you know, in local-mom— employment at all, you know, in tooat-tmom-a- local centres, then there's a, mass— local centres, then there's a, mom-s a— local centres, then there's a, mom-s a gua— local centres, then there's a, there's a quid pro- local centres, then there's a, there's a quid pro quo there. you— there's a quid pro quo there. you mow,— there's a quid pro quo there. you know, there's parents moakmg— you know, there's parents breaking there's breaking the law. there's mumm— breaking the law. there's. children—extra children who need that extra support—

children who need that extra support-getting - children who need that extra support getting the support. support are getting the support. i support are getting the support. t-movoa— support are getting the support. t-movoa-mau- support are getting the support. i-never-nail down. support are getting the support. i answer nail down support are getting the support. i answer again. nail down support are getting the support. i answer again. it1ail down support are getting the support. i answer again. it justiown that answer again. it just disappears— that answer again. it just disappears into the coffers of the disappears into the coffers of am local— disappears into the coffers of the local authority and spent no doubt— the local authority and spent no doubt om— the local authority and spent no doubt on other— the local authority and spent no doubt on other things. well, we samu— doubt on other things. well, we cant get— doubt on other things. well, we can't get rachel— doubt on other things. well, we can't get rachel back. u nfo rtunately, - can't get rachel back. unfortunately, due- can't get rachel back. unfortunately, due to technical issues, apologise that, issues, so i apologise for that, but thanks so much anyway but thanks ever so much anyway to rachel buick . and to rachel and tom buick. and still to come on free speech nation, the royal society of chemistry seems to be claiming that feminists such as kathleen stock are not entitled to freedom of speech. dr. john armstrong will be here to try and explain what on earth is going .

on who. welcome back to free speech nafion who. welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle the royal society of chemistry has become the latest unlikely entity to try and curtail free

speech. its digital discovery journal has published a 37 page article entitled academic free speech or right wing grievance , speech or right wing grievance, authored by professor john herbert . it authored by professor john herbert. it argues authored by professor john herbert . it argues that free herbert. it argues that free speech should not mean freedom from consequences and discusses how that should apply to figures such as the feminist academic kathleen stock. dr. john armstrong, a reader in financial mathematics at king's college london, has been writing about this and he joins me now. welcome the show. thanks so welcome to the show. thanks so freedom of— welcome to the show. thanks so freedom of speech— f thanks so freedom of speech shouldn't have freedom— freedom of speech shouldn't have freedom from — freedom of speech shouldn't have freedom from consequence. e freedom from consequence. it soumsu— freedom from consequence. it soumsu a— freedom from consequence. it soumsu a ma— freedom from consequence. it sounds a bit mafia— freedom from consequence. it sounds a bit mafia that,- freedom from consequence. it sounds a bit mafia that, you know, you could say what you want, but there may be consequences. you know, that's what they're arguing, isn't it, in mean, in this article? yeah. i mean, i know from idi amin because know it from idi amin because he. said, well people he. he said, well people ammuto— he. he said, well people attribute to _ he. he said, well people attribute to him - he said, well people attribute to him saying that you do mayo— attribute to him saying that you do have use — attribute to him saying that you do have free speech, but i can't guaaamoo— do have free speech, but i can't guarantee freedom _ do have free speech, but i can't guarantee freedom after speech. okay— guarantee freedom after speech. okay ama — guarantee freedom after speech. okay ama .— guarantee freedom after speech. okay and | find— guarantee freedom after speech. okay and | find it— guarantee freedom after speech. okay and i find it astonishing mat— okay and i find it astonishing that geomo— okay and i find it astonishing that people will— okay and i find it astonishing that people will be, you know , that people will be, you know, an academic— that people will be, you know, an academic journal is guousmmg— an academic journal is publishing something like that mauso— publishing something like that uoauso u— publishing something like that because it is— publishing something like that because it is menacing . and i because it is menacing. and i mmk— because it is menacing. and i mm m— because it is menacing. and i mm u is— because it is menacing. and i think it is almost— because it is menacing. and i think it is almost deliberately momaomg— think it is almost deliberately

momaomg m— think it is almost deliberately momaomg m a— think it is almost deliberately menacing in a sense, because the paper— menacing in a sense, because the paper obviously,— menacing in a sense, because the paper obviously, it's— menacing in a sense, because the paper obviously, it's not saying geomo— paper obviously, it's not saying googuo gogg— paper obviously, it's not saying people should be— paper obviously, it's not saying people should be imprisoned for wroug— people should be imprisoned for momg mmg— people should be imprisoned for momg mmg .— people should be imprisoned for wrong thing , but— people should be imprisoned for wrong thing , but it does seem to wrong thing, but it does seem to be wrong thing, but it does seem to as suppommg— wrong thing, but it does seem to be supporting harassment for wroug— be supporting harassment for momg mag.— be supporting harassment for wrong thing. yes— be supporting harassment for wrong thing. yes so it talks about— wrong thing. yes so it talks about tbs— wrong thing. yes so it talks about the case— wrong thing. yes so it talks about the case of kathleen stock and about the case of kathleen stock amt tt— about the case of kathleen stock amt tt boos— about the case of kathleen stock and it does acknowledge that it ooutt— and it does acknowledge that it ooutt bo— and it does acknowledge that it could be described as harassment.- could be described as harassment. what occurred to her and harassment. what occurred to her amt tbs— harassment. what occurred to her amt tbs babes— harassment. what occurred to her amt tbs babsa says— harassment. what occurred to her and the paper says it doesn't support— and the paper says it doesn't support violence— and the paper says it doesn't support violence or threats of bombs— support violence or threats of violence, but— support violence or threats of violence, but it— support violence or threats of violence, but it does seem to be saymg— violence, but it does seem to be saymg tbat— violence, but it does seem to be saying that because of her, what tbsy— saying that because of her, what tbsy sabb— saying that because of her, what they call outspoken bigotry, tbat— they call outspoken bigotry, tbat tbsas — they call outspoken bigotry, that there was— they call outspoken bigotry, that there was an argument that it that there was an argument that t was— that there was an argument that it was reasonable,— that there was an argument that it was reasonable, that she was tsatsa— it was reasonable, that she was tasatst as— it was reasonable, that she was treated as she— it was reasonable, that she was treated as she was— it was reasonable, that she was treated as she was . and, you treated as she was. and, you mow,— treated as she was. and, you mow, to— treated as she was. and, you mow, to ms— treated as she was. and, you know, to me, this— treated as she was. and, you know, to me, this is astonishing. do they describe it in astonishing. do they describe it to tbsb— astonishing. do they describe it in their article— astonishing. do they describe it in their article as— astonishing. do they describe it in their article as outspoken btgotays— in their article as outspoken btgottys tbat-s— in their article as outspoken bigotry? that's their phrase, vss. — bigotry? that's their phrase, vss. amt— bigotry? that's their phrase, vss. amt tbsy— bigotry? that's their phrase, yes. and they don't they don't tusttty— yes. and they don't they don't tusttty tbs— yes. and they don't they don't tusttty tbs uss— yes. and they don't they don't justify the use of— yes. and they don't they don't justify the use of the quite outsbotsm— justify the use of the quite outspoken bigotry. so they have 37 outspoken bigotry. so they have so bagss— outspoken bigotry. so they have so bagss m— outspoken bigotry. so they have 37 pages in which— outspoken bigotry. so they have 37 pages in which to quote from tatbtssm— 37 pages in which to quote from kathleen stock. _ 37 pages in which to quote from kathleen stock. i've got, i tumb— kathleen stock. i've got, i tbmt, 7b— kathleen stock. i've got, i think, 717 references. one of tbsm — think, 717 references. one of tbsm ts— think, 717 references. one of them is from _ think, 717 references. one of them is from kathleen stock. but tbsy— them is from kathleen stock. but tbsy cam-t— them is from kathleen stock. but tbsy sam-t tmt— them is from kathleen stock. but they can't find anything to tusttty— they can't find anything to tusttty tbs— they can't find anything to justify the statement that that outsbotsm — justify the statement that that outspoken bigotry. wig outspoken bigotry. that's very interesting because, as you know, the definition of bigotry

is one who is completely intolerant of any alternative opinion. that's opinion. so surely that's a label would better label that would be better appued label that would be better applied to themselves. yeah, i think could a applied to themselves. yeah, i think-could-a case. applied to themselves. yeah, ii think-could-a case for think you could make a case for tbat.— think you could make a case for tbat-usu— think you could make a case for tbat-ustt .— think you could make a case for tbat-ustt , tt— think you could make a case for that.-well , it just- think you could make a case for that. well , it just it that. yeah, well, it just it gust— that. yeah, well, it just it just ssms— that. yeah, well, it just it just seems like- that. yeah, well, it just it just seems like mudslinging , to just seems like mudslinging, to be just seems like mudslinging, to bs-but— just seems like mudslinging, to bs-but abso- just seems like mudslinging, to be-but also they're. be honest. but also they're talking about whether is talking about whether this is free speech right wing free speech or right wing grievances. the grievances. and yet the overwhelming majority of feminists have made the case feminists who have made the case a similar case to kathleen stock are coming from the left. so this incoherent position this is an incoherent position anyway, it? yeah, anyway, isn't it? yeah, absolutely. i mean, anyway, isn't it? yeah, absolutely . i mean, the piece absolutely. i mean, the piece gust— absolutely. i mean, the piece tust tossm-t— absolutely. i mean, the piece just doesn't as— absolutely. i mean, the piece just doesn't as an— gigs i mean, the piece just doesn't as an academic btsss,— just doesn't as an academic btsss, you— just doesn't as an academic btsss, you mow,— just doesn't as an academic piece, you know, it's published in piece, you know, it's published to a— piece, you know, it's published to a journal— piece, you know, it's published to a toumat .— piece, you know, it's published in a journal. it— piece, you know, it's published in a journal. it should be taken ssmousty— in a journal. it should be taken ssmousty as— in a journal. it should be taken ssmousty as a— in a journal. it should be taken seriously as a piece of academic wattag— seriously as a piece of academic umtmg amt— seriously as a piece of academic umtmg amt tt— seriously as a piece of academic writing and it doesn't justify its writing and it doesn't justify tts statms— writing and it doesn't justify its claims. it— writing and it doesn't justify its claims. it doesn't justify tbs— its claims. it doesn't justify tbs statm — its claims. it doesn't justify the claim that— its claims. it doesn't justify the claim that kathleen stock is a btgot. — the claim that kathleen stock is a btgot. tt— the claim that kathleen stock is a bigot. it doesn't— the claim that kathleen stock is a bigot. it doesn't justify the stam— a bigot. it doesn't justify the statm tbat— a bigot. it doesn't justify the claim that this— a bigot. it doesn't justify the claim that this is a right wing vtsubomt— claim that this is a right wing vtsubomt .— claim that this is a right wing viewpoint . and— claim that this is a right wing viewpoint . and so under any viewpoint. and so under any momma— viewpoint. and so under any normal circumstances, i think a bass— normal circumstances, i think a babsa tts— normal circumstances, i think a babsa ttts tms— normal circumstances, i think a paper like this, you ask it to, i paper like this, you ask it to, . tbmt— paper like this, you ask it to, that you-t— paper like this, you ask it to, i think you'd be— paper like this, you ask it to, i think you'd be rejected flat out:— i think you'd be rejected flat out, taamtty. — i think you'd be rejected flat out, frankly. but— i think you'd be rejected flat out, frankly. but in a peer review system,— out, frankly. but in a peer review system, surely it would. vsab. — review system, surely it would. vsab. but— review system, surely it would. vsab. but at— review system, surely it would. yeah. but at the— review system, surely it would. yeah. but at the very least you-a— yeah. but at the very least you-a say,— yeah. but at the very least you'd say, well,- yeah. but at the very least you'd say, well, no, actually, you— you'd say, well, no, actually, you assa— you'd say, well, no, actually, you mssa to— you'd say, well, no, actually,

you need to clarify this paper. you— you need to clarify this paper. you saut— you need to clarify this paper. you cant you— you need to clarify this paper. you can't, you know, freedom of sbsssb— you can't, you know, freedom of sbsssb tossm-t— you can't, you know, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. say that consequences. you can't say that in consequences. you can't say that mlasatsmts— consequences. you can't say that in academic journal. need in an academic journal. you need to—yybat- to be more precise. what consequences— to be more precise. what consequences acceptable? consequences are acceptable? yybat—s- consequences are acceptable? yybat—svotsssl consequences are acceptable?- what_? voices aren't what consequence? voices aren't asssbtabts. — what consequence? voices aren't asssbtabts. you— what consequence? voices aren't acceptable. you expect a mature atssusstom— acceptable. you expect a mature discussion and— acceptable. you expect a mature discussion and the— acceptable. you expect a mature discussion and the standard of tabs— discussion and the standard of tms ts— discussion and the standard of tms ts gust— discussion and the standard of this is just atrocious. but but a bot— this is just atrocious. but but a bot ot— this is just atrocious. but but a bot ot tbs— this is just atrocious. but but a lot of the cases of this kind are relating to the notion that some people might feel offended by that kathleen by the opinions that kathleen stock has expressed. and you're saying the royal the royal society of chemistry has issued some guidelines on offence, haven't on offensive haven't they, on offensive speech? so is this is speech? yes. so this is this is why— speech? yes. so this is this is uby-sbsmtstay— f“ “tit; so this is this is why chemistry community is why the chemistry community is mow-about— why the chemistry community is now-about free- why the chemistry community is now about free speech, now talking about free speech, bsauss— now talking about free speech, bssauss—ottl now talking about free speech,l because—odd that because that may seem odd that tbsy-as— because that may seem odd that tbsm—tts- because that may seem odd that tbsy-as—tt, but- because that may seem odd that tbsmgbt—tt, but- because that may seem odd that the right that it, but because that may seem odd that the right that they it, but because that may seem odd that the right that they should jt because that may seem odd that the right that they should be it's right that they should be tattmg— it's right that they should be talking about— it's right that they should be talking about it.— it's right that they should be talking about it. and the reason for talking about it. and the reason to tms— talking about it. and the reason to tms ts— talking about it. and the reason for this is that— talking about it. and the reason for this is that royal society of for this is that royal society ot-mou— for this is that royal society ot-mou says- for this is that royal society of- now says thati for this is that royal society. of-now says that in of chemistry now says that in all of chemistry now says that in at ot— of chemistry now says that in all of-journals- of chemistry now says that in all of-journals ,- of chemistry now says that in all of journals , you have all of their journals, you have to-uom-t— all of their journals, you have to .won't publish- all of their journals, you have to won't publish certain to they won't publish certain ottsmsbs— to they won't publish certain offensive content . now, some of offensive content. now, some of tabs— offensive content. now, some of tms ts— offensive content. now, some of tms ts tabby— offensive content. now, some of this is fairly reasonable . they this is fairly reasonable. they won-t— this is fairly reasonable. they wom-t bubttsb— this is fairly reasonable. they won't publish explicit images. now:— won't publish explicit images. bow, .— won't publish explicit images. bow, . atom-t— won't publish explicit images. now, i didn't know that the sbsmtstay— now, i didn't know that the chemistry community was bubbsmmg— chemistry community was bubbsmmg a— chemistry community was publishing a lot of. \ti:t publishing a lot of. no, i ast— publishing a lot of. no, i wasn't aware— publishing a lot of. no, i wasn't aware of- publishing a lot of. \tit wasn't aware of that. but i mean, there are— e ”ti: but i

mean, there are various things you— mean, there are various things you am— mean, there are various things you to— mean, there are various things you can do with— mean, there are various things you can do with a— mean, there are various things you can do with a bunsen burner, asmt— you can do with a bunsen burner, asmt tbsy— you can do with a bunsen burner, t tbsys — you can do with a bunsen burner, aren't they ? and— you can do with a bunsen burner, aren't they ? and but- you can do with a bunsen burner, aren't they ? ' t: aren't they? and but they i think, you know, there clearly wasn't a need for this. they have a peer review- e : they have a peer review system. sttsmsbs— have a peer review system. offensive content wasn't getting out.— offensive content wasn't getting out. amt— offensive content wasn't getting out. but .— offensive content wasn't getting out. and i think— offensive content wasn't getting out. and i think the reason they uamtst— out. and i think the reason they uamtst to— out. and i think the reason they uamtst to to— out. and i think the reason they wanted to do this— out. and i think the reason they wanted to do this is there's a tstatt— wanted to do this is there's a tstatt m— wanted to do this is there's a detail in that— wanted to do this is there's a detail in that policy which says tbat— detail in that policy which says tbat amytmmg— detail in that policy which says that anything that might asasomabty— that anything that might reasonably somebody that anything that might- reasonably-somebody on reasonably offend somebody on the reasonably offend somebody on tbs-ot— reasonably offend somebody on tbs-ot tbsb— reasonably offend somebody on the of their religious or the basis of their religious or bobttsat— the basis of their religious or political-they- the basis of their religious or political they won't political beliefs, they won't bubbsb. — political beliefs, they won't publish. right.— political beliefs, they won't publish. right. and this is astonishing. _ publish. right. and this is astonishing. publish. right. and this is- astonishing. was that happening at all in the chemistry journals? well i would hope so, because if you look at the history of science us galileo was literally a heretic . yes. so was literally a heretic. yes. so he would be punished for hate speech? well, he certainly would be speech? well, he certainly would bs sss— speech? well, he certainly would bs by— speech? well, he certainly would bs by tbs— speech? well, he certainly would be seen by the pope— f“ well, he certainly would be seen by the pope at the time as bsmg— be seen by the pope at the time as being reasonably offensive. yss. — as being reasonably offensive. yss. you— as being reasonably offensive. yes. you know,— as being reasonably offensive. yes. you know, because he ottsmtst— yes. you know, because he offended he _ yes. you know, because he offended he supported copernicus's- offended he supported copernicus's view that the earth revolves around— copernicus's view that the earth revolves around the sun. and this— revolves around the sun. and this offended— revolves around the sun. and this offended the identity of the this offended the identity of tbs tbsm — this offended the identity of tbs tbsm bobs— this offended the identity of the then pope who thought that the then pope who thought that tbs — the then pope who thought that the sun revolved— the then pope who thought that the sun revolved around him. yss— the sun revolved around him. yss. amt— the sun revolved around him. yes. and that— the sun revolved around him. yes. and that now apparently the toyat— yes. and that now apparently the toyat soststy—

yes. and that now apparently the toyat soststy ot— yes. and that now apparently the royal society of chemistry would not — royal society of chemistry would not ttt— royal society of chemistry would not ttt to— royal society of chemistry would not see fit to publish , and not not see fit to publish, and not bsauss— not see fit to publish, and not bsauss tts— not see fit to publish, and not because it's about— not see fit to publish, and not because it's about physics , because it's about physics, bsauss— because it's about physics, because galileo - because it's about physics, because galileo is a physicist, bsauss— because galileo is a physicist, bsauss tbsy— because galileo is a physicist, because they clearly publish tbmgs— because they clearly publish tbmgs om— because they clearly publish things on identity politics. so tbsy-as— things on identity politics. so they're happy— things on identity politics. so they're happy not to just bubttsb— they're happy not to just publish chemistry. they won't bubbsb— publish chemistry. they won't bubbsb tt— publish chemistry. they won't publish it because it's heresy. but— publish it because it's heresy. but but— publish it because it's heresy. but but tbs— publish it because it's heresy. but isn't the whole— publish it because it's heresy. but isn't the whole point- publish it because it's heresy. but isn't the whole point of science bring us closer to science to bring us closer to the truth rather than to promote a particular ideology? yeah, absolutely. the line- f 33“ yeah, absolutely. the line that the toyat— absolutely. the line that the toyat soststy— absolutely. the line that the royal society of— absolutely. the line that the royal society of chemistry sboutt — royal society of chemistry sboutt bs — royal society of chemistry should be taking is that we will bubttsb— should be taking is that we will bubbsb tbmgs— should be taking is that we will publish things if— should be taking is that we will publish things if they offend bsobts-s— publish things if they offend people's religious or political bsttsts— people's religious or political bsbsts tt— people's religious or political beliefs, if they're scientific , beliefs, if they're scientific, accurate, and _ beliefs, if they're scientific, accurate, and that should be that— accurate, and that should be their barometer— accurate, and that should be their barometer .— accurate, and that should be their barometer. yeah. and if tbsy— their barometer. yeah. and if tbsy bubttsb— their barometer. yeah. and if they publish something that ottsmts— they publish something that ottsmts your— they publish something that offends your religious or bottttsat— offends your religious or political beliefs , you shouldn't political beliefs, you shouldn't be political beliefs, you shouldn't bs ttymg— political beliefs, you shouldn't bs trying to— political beliefs, you shouldn't be trying to silence them. you sboutt— be trying to silence them. you sboutt bs— be trying to silence them. you should be questioning your asttgtous— should be questioning your asttgtous oa— should be questioning your religious or political beliefs. amt—ubots- religious or political beliefs.i and _whole-of and this is the whole point of sstsmss—bsl and this is the whole point of. science—be open science that we should be open to bang— science that we should be open to bsmg wroug— science that we should be open to being wrong and should be to being wrong and we should be in to being wrong and we should be to a— to being wrong and we should be to a position— to being wrong and we should be in a position where— to being wrong and we should be in a position where we constantly— in a position where we constantly question our position.— constantly question our position-_t- constantly question our position. i feel constantly question our. position.-i feel this position. and so i feel this statsmsmt— position. and so i feel this statement against statement just goes against the tumaamsmtat— statement just goes against the fundamental-of- statement just goes against the fundamental of science, fundamental values of science, bsauss— fundamental values of science, bssauss-tasa— fundamental values of science, because-idea that- fundamental values of science, because idea that that there because the idea that that there are because the idea that that there as—ay— because the idea that that there as—ay bs- are two sexes, it may be ottsmstvs— are two sexes, it may be offensive to _ are two sexes, it may be offensive to a- are two sexes, it may be offensive to a lot of people who

misb— offensive to a lot of people who utsb tbat— offensive to a lot of people who wish that weren't— offensive to a lot of people who wish that weren't the case, but it ts— wish that weren't the case, but tt ts tbs— wish that weren't the case, but it is the case. _ wish that weren't the case, but it is the case. and- wish that weren't the case, but it is the case. 't: wish that weren't the case, but it is the case. ' t: it is the case. and that has to be the starting point. absolutely. and i think we all mou— absolutely. and i think we all know that — ' gigs and i think we all know that. realistically, what is know that. realistically, what tslsbsmtstty— know that. realistically, what is chemistry journal likely to is a chemistry journal likely to bubttsb— is a chemistry journal likely to bubttsb-tttsty— is a chemistry journal likely to publish-likely to- is a chemistry journal likely to publish likely to offend publish that is likely to offend some sensibilities . and it's some sensibilities. and it's stsaaty— some sensibilities. and it's stsaaty-tbat- some sensibilities. and it's clearly that there are clearly saying that there are two— clearly saying that there are two sexes, male— clearly saying that there are two sexes, male and female , and two sexes, male and female, and the two sexes, male and female, and tbs tots— two sexes, male and female, and tbs tots ot— two sexes, male and female, and the role of the— two sexes, male and female, and the role of the by— two sexes, male and female, and the role of the by publishing tbts— the role of the by publishing this particular— the role of the by publishing this particular article, i think tbsy-as— this particular article, i think they're showing— this particular article, i think they're showing their position on that — they're showing their position on that. they're— they're showing their position on that. they're saying that tbts— on that. they're saying that tbts ts— on that. they're saying that tbts ts a— on that. they're saying that this is a reasonable article . this is a reasonable article. tbat-s— this is a reasonable article. tbat-s uby— this is a reasonable article. that's why they're publishing it. that's why they're publishing tt. amt— that's why they're publishing tt. but so— that's why they're publishing it. and so they're saying that you— it. and so they're saying that you am— it. and so they're saying that you can reasonably be offended if you can reasonably be offended tt somsboty— you can reasonably be offended if somebody disagrees with your vtsus— if somebody disagrees with your views on sex and— if somebody disagrees with your views on sex and gender. and so i views on sex and gender. and so ttbtmt— views on sex and gender. and so t tbtmt tts— views on sex and gender. and so ttbtmt tt-s vsty— views on sex and gender. and so i think it's very clear what's bstmg— i think it's very clear what's being targeted— i think it's very clear what's being targeted there. okay. yystt. — being targeted there. okay. yystt. t— being targeted there. okay. well, i think— being targeted there. okay. well, i think this is an absolutely fascinating conversation, and it is surprising that it's gone into the realm of science. it's unbelievable. you would expect it to be in the realm of arts and where a bit and humanities where it's a bit more washy. when more wishy washy. but when it comes science even comes to science and even mathematics, of is this mathematics, of course, is this likely end any time soon? likely to end any time soon? yeah, well, one hope so. yeah, well, one would hope so. i mean , the what's happened, i mean, the what's happened, tbts— i mean, the what's happened, tbts-gotmg- i mean, the what's happened, tbts-gotmg om- i mean, the what's happened, this-going on in- this has been going on in amsatsa— this has been going on in america for— this has been going on in america for much longer and it

bass-t— america for much longer and it basm-t subst— america for much longer and it hasn't ended there. so that mass— hasn't ended there. so that matss you— hasn't ended there. so that matss you a— hasn't ended there. so that makes you a bit- hasn't ended there. so that makes you a bit pessimistic. but on makes you a bit pessimistic. but om-bama— makes you a bit pessimistic. but on_hg.g, you- makes you a bit pessimistic. but on-hand, you can- on the other hand, you can see tbat— on the other hand, you can see that academics— on the other hand, you can see that academics increasingly that academics are increasingly tatttmg— that academics are increasingly tatttmg-tt.— that academics are increasingly talking-it. and- that academics are increasingly talking-it. and so- that academics are increasingly talking it. and so i hope talking about it. and so i hope it talking about it. and so i hope tt wttt— talking about it. and so i hope tt wttt sma.— talking about it. and so i hope tt wttt sma. t— talking about it. and so i hope it will end. i hope— talking about it. and so i hope it will end. i hope that people bust— it will end. i hope that people push back. — it will end. i hope that people push back. t— it will end. i hope that people push back. i think this battsuta— push back. i think this particular case, there's an obytous— particular case, there's an obvious opportunity for chemists to say— obvious opportunity for chemists to say tbts— obvious opportunity for chemists to say this, this— obvious opportunity for chemists to say this, this is— obvious opportunity for chemists to say this, this is not acceptable. - to say this, this is not acceptable. you cannot say that we acceptable. you cannot say that us mom-t— acceptable. you cannot say that we won't publish— acceptable. you cannot say that we won't publish things that ottsmt— we won't publish things that offend religious— we won't publish things that offend religious beliefs. this is ridiculous— offend religious beliefs. this is ridiculous for— offend religious beliefs. this is ridiculous for science young,— is ridiculous for science journalt amt— is ridiculous for science journal, and i- is ridiculous for science journal, and i really hope that sbsmtsts— journal, and i really hope that chemists will— journal, and i really hope that chemists will stand up against tbat.— chemists will stand up against that — chemists will stand up against that yss— chemists will stand up against that. yes. but— chemists will stand up against that. yes. but of— chemists will stand up against that. flit; tttit. chemists will stand up against that. 4113 ti.tit. e that. yes. but of course, it's quite scary to do when you quite scary to do so when you see treatment that people see the treatment that people like kathleen stock well see the treatment that people like what een stock well see the treatment that people like what een journal well see the treatment that people like what een journal is well see the treatment that people like what een journal is clearly and what this journal is clearly saying that we are willing to saying is that we are willing to abandon all of our normal scientific standards. we're going to publish- scientific standards. we're going to publish a- ettf �*" i 3: we're going to publish a garbage paper . amt— going to publish a garbage paper . amt tbat— going to publish a garbage paper . and that also— going to publish a garbage paper . and that also suggests and we mtgbt— . and that also suggests and we mtgbt atso— . and that also suggests and we mtgbt atso bs— . and that also suggests and we might also be willing to not bubttsb— might also be willing to not bubttsb a— might also be willing to not publish a high— might also be willing to not publish a high quality paper if yous— publish a high quality paper if yous tbs— publish a high quality paper if you're the kind— publish a high quality paper if you're the kind of person who tbtmts— you're the kind of person who tbtmts tbs— you're the kind of person who thinks the wrong— you're the kind of person who thinks the wrong things and i tbtmt— thinks the wrong things and i think there's— thinks the wrong things and i think there's that air of menace. well,- think there's that air of menace. sam�*s think there's that air of- menace. well, thank you ever so much for joining menace. well, thank you ever so much forjoining me today. menace. well, thank you ever so much forjoining me today . that much for joining me today. that is the end of our first hour. but please do join us in a

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and there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this asst,— come on free speech nation this week, including— come on free speech nation this week, including a— come on free speech nation this week, including a tory mp gstttmg— week, including a tory mp getting slammed by his own party- _ getting slammed by his own party a— getting slammed by his own party. a terrorist- getting slammed by his own party. ' party. a terrorist plot at speaker's corner . and more speaker's corner. and more questions from my fantastic studio audience. but first, let's get a news update from ray addison . thanks, andrew. here's addison. thanks, andrew. here's the latest from the at: : here's the latest from the newsroom our top story,— the latest from the newsroom our top story, opposition leaders are top story, opposition leaders satttmg— top story, opposition leaders are calling for— top story, opposition leaders are calling for an investigation attsa— are calling for an investigation attsa tt— are calling for an investigation attsa tt was— are calling for an investigation after it was alleged that the toms— after it was alleged that the home secretary— after it was alleged that the home secretary tried to avoid tmsumtmg— home secretary tried to avoid incurring points— home secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her driving ttssmss— incurring points on her driving ttssmss toa— incurring points on her driving licence for speeding last summer. the— licence for speeding last summer. the sunday times reports that summer. the sunday times reports tbat sustta— summer. the sunday times reports that suella braverman asked a stvtt— that suella braverman asked a stvtt ssmamt— that suella braverman asked a civil servant to _ that suella braverman asked a civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 civil servant to organise a 1 to t tttvtmg— civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course tmstsat— 1 driving awareness course tmstsat amt— 1 driving awareness course instead and shadow home sssastaty— instead and shadow home secretary yvette cooper described _ secretary yvette cooper described the - secretary yvette cooper described the allegations as sbosttmg— described the allegations as shocking, saying that ms

braverman's_ shocking, saying that ms braverman's role is to uphold tbs— braverman's role is to uphold tbs tau— braverman's role is to uphold tbs tau mmsm— braverman's role is to uphold the law when asked about the statms— the law when asked about the statms tbs— the law when asked about the claims, the prime— the law when asked about the claims, the prime minister tssttmsa— claims, the prime minister declined to— claims, the prime minister declined to publicly defend her. i declined to publicly defend her. t tom-t— declined to publicly defend her. t tom-t mou— declined to publicly defend her. i don't know the— declined to publicly defend her. i don't know the full— declined to publicly defend her. i don't know the full details of what has happened, nor have i spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see first hand what i've been doing over the last day or so, but i understand that she's expressed regret for speeding the penalty speeding, accepted the penalty and paid the fine on the final day of the g7 summit in japan , day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders have set out their plans to tackle aggression from china. prime minister rishi subat— china. prime minister rishi sumat sata— til" prime minister rishi sunak said beijing poses the btggsst— sunak said beijing poses the biggest challenge to global sssuatty— biggest challenge to global sssuatty .— biggest challenge to global security , being— biggest challenge to global security , being the only country security, being the only country wttt— security, being the only country uttb bott— security, being the only country with both the _ security, being the only country with both the means and intent to assbabs— with both the means and intent to assbabs tbs— with both the means and intent to reshape the world order. us ttsstasmt— to reshape the world order. us president joe _ to reshape the world order. us president joe biden says there's sombtsts— president joe biden says there's complete resolve— president joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity uttbtm— complete resolve and unity uttbtm tbs— complete resolve and unity within the g7— complete resolve and unity within the g7 to reduce china's tst— within the g7 to reduce china's atst to— within the g7 to reduce china's risk to international security . risk to international security. bis-ts— risk to international security. yys-ts mot— risk to international security. we're not looking— risk to international security. we're not looking to- risk to international security. we're not looking to decouple from china. we're looking to de—risk and diversify our relationship with china. that means taking steps to diversify

our supply chains. and we're not so we're not dependent on any one country for necessary products. it means resisting economic coercion together and countering harmful practises that hurt our workers. it means protecting a narrow set of advanced technologies critical for our national security . arnie for our national security. arnie the president of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peaceful mula does have the potential to prevent future wars. he's thanked yysstsm— future wars. he's thanked western allies— future wars. he's thanked western allies for- iti; he's thanked western allies for their ongoing support,— western allies for their ongoing support, including receiving amsatsam— support, including receiving american made— support, including receiving american made f—16 jets and the tatmtmg— american made f—16 jets and the tatmtmg ot— american made f—16 jets and the training of ukrainian pilots. yotoaymya— training of ukrainian pilots. volodymyr zelenskyy also atsmtssst— volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims that the ttusstam— dismissed claims that the russian mercenary wagner group has russian mercenary wagner group bas sabtuast— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the city of bakhmut . bus-tt— has captured the city of bakhmut . yys-tt bast— has captured the city of bakhmut . we'll back here.— has captured the city of bakhmut . we'll back here. three people bats— . we'll back here. three people bays bssm— . we'll back here. three people have been taken— . we'll back here. three people have been taken to hospital attsa— have been taken to hospital attsa a— have been taken to hospital after a double— have been taken to hospital after a double decker bus hit a battgs— after a double decker bus hit a batags m— after a double decker bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the vehicle struct— bridge in glasgow. the vehicle stust tbs— bridge in glasgow. the vehicle struck the underside of a aattuay— struck the underside of a railway bridge - struck the underside of a railway bridge in tradeston this momtmg— railway bridge in tradeston this morning, shearing its roof off amt— morning, shearing its roof off amt bssomtmg— morning, shearing its roof off and becoming wedged stuck .

and becoming wedged stuck. tottss— and becoming wedged stuck. police temporarily closed a mumbs— police temporarily closed a mumbs ot— police temporarily closed a number of roads while passengers tsatst— number of roads while passengers were treated at— number of roads while passengers were treated at the— number of roads while passengers were treated at the scene. all trams— were treated at the scene. all tatms bss— were treated at the scene. all trains were stopped. engineers trom— trains were stopped. engineers mom mstuoat— trains were stopped. engineers from network rail scotland were brought— from network rail scotland were baougbt m— from network rail scotland were baougbt tm to— from network rail scotland were brought in to check that the battgs— brought in to check that the batags was— brought in to check that the bridge was safe— brought in to check that the bridge was safe to reopen and the bridge was safe to reopen and tbs tttmss— bridge was safe to reopen and the prince of— bridge was safe to reopen and the prince of wales has joined ttoyat— the prince of wales has joined ttoyat wavy— the prince of wales has joined royal navy submariners preparing to tats— royal navy submariners preparing to tats om— royal navy submariners preparing to tabs on a— royal navy submariners preparing to take on a transatlantic aowtmg— to take on a transatlantic rowing challenge . the duke of rowing challenge. the duke of cambattgs— rowing challenge. the duke of cambridge released a video of his cambridge released a video of bts wtstt— cambridge released a video of bts ytstt to— cambridge released a video of his visit to a— cambridge released a video of his visit to a training session oagamtssa— his visit to a training session otgamtssa by— his visit to a training session organised by the _ his visit to a training session organised by the hms audacious casw— organised by the hms audacious casw tu— organised by the hms audacious casw tm sets. — organised by the hms audacious crew in 2019. they— organised by the hms audacious crew in 2019. they began raising momsy— crew in 2019. they began raising momsy to— crew in 2019. they began raising momsy to support— crew in 2019. they began raising money to support the mental bsattb— money to support the mental bsattb ot— money to support the mental health of colleagues. so far, tbsy-ws— health of colleagues. so far, they've raised— health of colleagues. so far, they've raised .— health of colleagues. so far, they've raised . over £110,000. they've raised. over £110,000. ws-as— they've raised. over £110,000. ws-as om— they've raised. over £110,000. ws-as on tv— they've raised. over £110,000. we're on tv online on dab+ radio amt— we're on tv online on dab+ radio amt om— we're on tv online on dab+ radio amt om tubs— we're on tv online on dab+ radio amt om tums tu— we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to— we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb wsws. — and on tune in to this is gb wsws. bast— and on tune in to this is gb news. back now— and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to free speech wattom— news. back now to free speech wattom .— nation. welcome nation. - welcome back wattom- welcome back to wattom— welcome back to free wattom — welcome back to free speech wattom. — welcome back to free speech nation. with— welcome back to free speech nation. with me—

welcome back to free speech nation. ' t: welcome back to free speech nation. : t nation. with me andrew doyle. so we've got a wonderful- nation. : t so we've got a wonderful studio auttsmss— so we've got a wonderful studio audience here— so we've got a wonderful studio audience here tonight, so let's get audience here tonight, so let's gst soms— audience here tonight, so let's gst os— audience here tonight, so let's get some more questions from tbsm.— get some more questions from them-question- get some more questions from them. question comes them. our first question comes mom—ts- them. our first question comes from—is lorna?- them. our first question comes| from—is lorna? hi. from lorna, where is lorna? hi. mys— from lorna, where is lorna? hi. utya. woutt— from lorna, where is lorna? hi. utya. wouta you— from lorna, where is lorna? hi. hiya. would you buy a swimsuit tbat— hiya. would you buy a swimsuit tbat was— hiya. would you buy a swimsuit tbat tust— hiya. would you buy a swimsuit that was tuck friendly ? \ttz�*t that was tuck friendly? no. woutu— that was tuck friendly? no. woutu ms— that was tuck friendly? no. would me personally be okay? can't get cumbersome. okay, so the can't get cumbersome. okay, so tbs us— can't get cumbersome. okay, so tbs us astatt— can't get cumbersome. okay, so the us retail giant— can't get cumbersome. okay, so the us retail giant target has bssm— the us retail giant target has been criticised— the us retail giant target has been criticised for selling so—sattst— been criticised for selling so—called tuck- been criticised for selling so—called tuck friendly bathing sutts— so—called tuck friendly bathing sutts as— so—called tuck friendly bathing sutts as batt— so—called tuck friendly bathing suits as part of— so—called tuck friendly bathing suits as part of a— so—called tuck friendly bathing suits as part of a pride collection.— suits as part of a pride collection. so- suits as part of a pride collection. so these swimsuits wstb— collection. so these swimsuits were. well, they're basically bstbst— were. well, they're basically bstbst to— were. well, they're basically helped to conceal a person's batwats— helped to conceal a person's batwats bats.— helped to conceal a person's private parts. the problem with this private parts. the problem with tbts ts— private parts. the problem with tbts ts tbat— private parts. the problem with this is that some— private parts. the problem with this is that some of these items are this is that some of these items atso— this is that some of these items atso bstmg— this is that some of these items are also being sold— this is that some of these items are also being sold to children or are certainly— are also being sold to children or are certainly available all in children's— or are certainly available all in children's sizes. some are satttmg— in children's sizes. some are satttmg tbts— in children's sizes. some are calling this target's calling this the target's bud ttgbt— calling this the target's bud ttgbt mots— calling this the target's bud light mode moment. of course. nowt_ light mode moment. of course. wow, tosb— light mode moment. of course. wow, tosb .— light mode moment. of course. now, josh , you've— light mode moment. of course. now, josh , you've well, you've now, josh, you've well, you've tbougbt— now, josh, you've well, you've tbougbt a— now, josh, you've well, you've tbougbt a tot— now, josh, you've well, you've thought a lot about this issue. t-ys— thought a lot about this issue. i've swam you've— thought a lot about this issue. i've swam you've swam. “e�*t: i've swam you've swam. i've had swm— i've swam you've swam. i've had ysab— i've swam you've swam. i've had swim. yeah. yeah. what do you make of this? yeah. look, i mean, companies can make whatever they want. yeah. and sell products so there's sell the products so there's a slight concern that they're targeting some of their goods towards children . yeah, that is, towards children. yeah, that is, they were like. like

they were making like. like supposedly they come in very small i mean, there's an small sizes. i mean, there's an argument, children? argument, are they for children? are like particularly are they for like particularly small . transvestite? so well, small. transvestite? so well, look, if it's if it's for adults, it is one thing. but i think the main— adults, it is one thing. but i think the main concern- : e t; but i think the main concern is that, you— think the main concern is that, you mow,— think the main concern is that, you know, because— think the main concern is that, you know, because children sbouttm-t— you know, because children shouldn't be,— you know, because children shouldn't be, you know, sort of ssauattsst— shouldn't be, you know, sort of sexualised in— shouldn't be, you know, sort of sexualised in this— shouldn't be, you know, sort of sexualised in this way and, you know — sexualised in this way and, you know ysab— sexualised in this way and, you know. yeah. so,— sexualised in this way and, you know. yeah. so, look,- sexualised in this way and, you know. 411i?" know. yeah. so, look, they companies want to make money. if there's there there's someone out there who's going their goods, then going to buy their goods, then fair but then this is a fair enough. but then this is a sort of larger movement. of course, of you've got adidas who are like advertising their female swimming costumes using men . and you had nike with dylan men. and you had nike with dylan mulvaney as well. yeah. and you know, and then nike is pulling its funding from its actual female athletes at the same time. so there's an hypocrisy here, which is wrong, saying that if they could come up with some trunks with a larger space for my piles , let's not get too for my piles, let's not get too graphic about this. there is an issue, graphic about this. there is an tbougb— graphic about this. there is an issue, though, isn't— g i there is an issue, though, isn't there? this issue, though, isn't there? this

ts tbs— issue, though, isn't there? this is the problem— issue, though, isn't there? this is the problem with so much about— is the problem with so much about gsmtsa— is the problem with so much about gender identity. ideology is about gender identity. ideology ts tbat— about gender identity. ideology ts tbatlgsts— about gender identity. ideology is that gets targeted at is that it gets targeted at sbttttsm— is that it gets targeted at children. and— is that it gets targeted at children. and i think there's somstbtmg— children. and i think there's something mean, this something really i mean, this tbts— something really i mean, this this reminds— something really i mean, this this reminds-a— something really i mean, this this reminds-a.of- something really i mean, this this reminds a of when this reminds me a bit of when watts— this reminds me a bit of when marks-spencer's- this reminds me a bit of when marks spencer's selling marks and spencer's were selling bttabs— marks and spencer's were selling bttabs toa— marks and spencer's were selling btiabs tot gtats— marks and spencer's were selling hijabs for girls as— marks and spencer's were selling hijabs for girls as young as sixt— hijabs for girls as young as amt— hijabs for girls as young as amt you— hijabs for girls as young as six, and you kind think, but six, and you kind of think, but tbsy-as— six, and you kind of think, but they're sexualised, they're they're not sexualised, they're not they're not sexualised, they're mot-bstmgs— they're not sexualised, they're not- beings, - don'ti not sexual beings, they don't asst— not sexual beings, they don't asst-wstb— not sexual beings, they don't need-well,.one- not sexual beings, they don't need well, one needs not sexual beings, they don't- need-well,.one needs to need to be well, no one needs to be need to be well, no one needs to bs somssatst— need to be well, no one needs to be concealed anyway, that be concealed anyway, but in that way.— be concealed anyway, but in that way-you— be concealed anyway, but in that way-you mow,— be concealed anyway, but in that way. you know, what do you way. but you know, what do you mats— way. but you know, what do you mats-tbts?— way. but you know, what do you make-this?-are- way. but you know, what do you make this? are they i make of this? well are they i about— make of this? well are they i tom-t tbtmt— make of this? well are they i don't think they're targeting the don't think they're targeting. tbs—tatgsttmg the children. they're targeting the children. they're targeting the aren't yes the parents, aren't they? yes i think they're targeting parents who josh's who who differ from josh's parenting style parents who who i into this i guess have bought into this ideology now to ideology and are now going to give kids. what i'm give it to their kids. what i'm stunned is fact that they stunned by is the fact that they think is going to be think this is going to be successful after we've had successful after we've just had all mulvaney well, all the dylan mulvaney well, i mean, bud light has been completely decimated. worse than decimated. oh , that's the of decimated. oh, that's the end of that. then move on. and decimated. oh, that's the end of that.we an move on. and decimated. oh, that's the end of that.we are move on. and decimated. oh, that's the end of that.we are withmove on. and decimated. oh, that's the end of that.we are with another. and decimated. oh, that's the end of that.we are with another veryi here we are with another very similar similar. so, similar campaign, similar. so, yeah, explain that to me, i so, yeah, explain that to me, josh, bsauss— yeah, explain that to me, josh, bsauss ttms— yeah, explain that to me, josh, because time and— yeah, explain that to me, josh, because time and again i see tbsss— because time and again i see these companies,— because time and again i see these companies, they just crash amt— these companies, they just crash amt bum— these companies, they just crash amt bum wbsm— these companies, they just crash and burn when they down this and burn when they go down this wots— and burn when they go down this wots-amt— and burn when they go down this wots-amt tbsy— and burn when they go down this woke and they keep woke route and they just keep totmg— woke route and they just keep totmg-tmow- woke route and they just keep totmg-tmow tt- woke route and they just keep doing-know if it's. doing it. i don't know if it's tbs— doing it. i don't know if it's tbs subst— doing it. i don't know if it's the super senior— doing it. i don't know if it's the super senior people are so

out— the super senior people are so out ot— the super senior people are so out ot tousb— the super senior people are so out of touch that— the super senior people are so out of touch that they just amyboay— out of touch that they just anybody who's— out of touch that they just anybody who's in 30s and anybody who's in their 30s and tbsy— anybody who's in their 30s and tbsy-wat- anybody who's in their 30s and they-well, that's- anybody who's in their 30s and they well, that's the they think, oh, well, that's the youtb—tmowl they think, oh, well, that's the. youth _ know what youth market and they know what tbsy-as— youth market and they know what tbsy-as-about. — youth market and they know what they're - about. and - youth market and they know what they're about. t: they're talking about. and then tbsy— they're talking about. and then tbsy-toss— they're talking about. and then they keep on getting it they just keep on getting it fundamentally these fundamentally wrong. and these companies suffering companies are then suffering and, there to and, you know, they're there to make yes that's all they make money. yes that's all they care about. so everything else should secondary . but they should be secondary. but they seem think that's the seem to think that that's the best they keep on best route and they keep on always wrong turn. always taking the wrong turn. very anyway, we've very strange. anyway, we've got a-now from jackie. - very strange. anyway, we've got a is now from jackie. very strange. anyway, we've got a is jackie? rom jackie. very strange. anyway, we've got a is jackie? hi,i jackie. very strange. anyway, we've got a is jackie? hi, jackie.. where is jackie? hi, jackie. soot— where is jackie? hi, jackie. good evening— where is jackie? hi, jackie. good evening . - where is jackie? hi, jackie. good evening . : t; good evening. is speeding a sackable offence ? yes. the drug sackable offence? yes. the drug . i don't think jackie is talking about the drug. well, she might be. i want to speak on her behalf. very nervy . so now her behalf. very nervy. so now this is, of course, the suella braverman case. rishi sunak now is facing calls to launch an investigation because the home secretary apparently asked civil servants, servants to help her avoid a group speed awareness course . now, i want to talk to course. now, i want to talk to you about this precedent, because from my understanding. so she she admits to speeding . so she she admits to speeding. yes. and what she was saying is, you know, when when you you know, when you when you speed i have word,

speed not that i have a word, but you get offered a fine or you have to go to one of these courses. and what she was saying is, like i'll go the is, i'd like i'll go to the course. so long as i'm not with other people. and could the civil service. there wasn't really she wasn't saying she wasn't fine if wasn't going to pay the fine if that was necessary. she was saying, is this an option? right. don't exactly right. well i don't know exactly what my thoughts are, what she said. my thoughts are, why— what she said. my thoughts are, wby atom-t— what she said. my thoughts are, wby atom-t sbs— what she said. my thoughts are, why didn't she just— what she said. my thoughts are, why didn't she just pay- t: my thoughts are, why didn't she just pay the ttmss— why didn't she just pay the ttmss ysam— why didn't she just pay the fine? yeah, of— why didn't she just pay the fine? yeah, of course. wouldn't you— fine? yeah, of course. wouldn't you-tbts— fine? yeah, of course. wouldn't you-tbts-outl fine? yeah, of course. wouldn'tj you-tbts-out ot you just want this swept out of the you just want this swept out of tbs-as— you just want this swept out of tbs-as gutstty— you just want this swept out of the-as quickly as- you just want this swept out of the as quickly as possible? the way as quickly as possible? if the way as quickly as possible? tt you— the way as quickly as possible? tt you-bsu— the way as quickly as possible? tt you-bsw t— the way as quickly as possible? if you-her? i think- the way as quickly as possible? if you her? i think it's if you were her? i think it's asatty— if you were her? i think it's asatty oat— if you were her? i think it's really odd that— if you were her? i think it's really odd that she went down tbts—ttms- this route of trying to find out or maybs— this route of trying to find out or maybs tts— this route of trying to find out or maybe it's common practise wttt— or maybe it's common practise wttb bsobts— or maybe it's common practise wttb bsobts m— or maybe it's common practise with people in her— or maybe it's common practise with people in her position that tbsy—tbat— with people in her position that they that question. they would ask that question. i tom-t— they would ask that question. i don't—obviously- don't know. she obviously tbougbt—a- don't know. she obviously- thought_a legitimate thought that it was a legitimate asgusst. — thought that it was a legitimate asgusst. watt.— thought that it was a legitimate request. well, i— thought that it was a legitimate request. �*ftt�*till thought that it was a legitimate request. i e request. well, i mean, it's interesting, josh, because, you know, talking about know, look, we're talking about a talking a speeding ticket. we're talking about on about three points on the licence. if was just licence. and if she was just asking the question because she's public figure, can she's a public figure, i can imagine appearing one of imagine her appearing in one of those could be those classes could be weaponised her. it weaponised against her. it doesn't seem totally unfair question like, could question to ask, like, could i just have a one on one session? but people are saying that she's she's different rule for she's got a different rule for

her rule for other she's got a different rule for her yeah. rule for other she's got a different rule for her yeah. and ule for other she's got a different rule for her yeah. and that's' other she's got a different rule for her yeah. and that's the er people. yeah. and that's the concern. i mean, i don't know bow—mow- concern. i mean, i don't know bow—mow abouti how much people know about the way-wows— how much people know about the way-wows wbsm- how much people know about the way works when you get way that it works when you get a sbssttmg— way that it works when you get a sbssttmg-t— way that it works when you get a speeding i remember my speeding ticket. i remember my sbauttsua— speeding ticket. i remember my chauffeur when— speeding ticket. i remember my chauffeur when got and chauffeur when he got one and i mow— chauffeur when he got one and i know t— chauffeur when he got one and i know t got— chauffeur when he got one and i know t got a— chauffeur when he got one and i know i got a ticket— chauffeur when he got one and i know i got a ticket recently. i got— know i got a ticket recently. i got-tbts— know i got a ticket recently. i got-tbts tbtmg- know i got a ticket recently. i got this thing going got exactly this thing going a tsw—gol few miles over and you go on a sbsst— few miles over and you go on a sbssa awasmsss— few miles over and you go on a speed awareness course and tbsy-as—omttmsl speed awareness course and. they're—online now. they're all offered online now. oh they're all offered online now. om tbat-s— they're all offered online now. oh that's easier. _ they're all offered online now. oh that's easier. well, that's tbs—stout- oh that's easier. well, that's' the—didn't want oh that's easier. well, that's. the—didn't want to the thing. so she didn't want to abbsa—zoom- the thing. so she didn't want toi appear—zoom call. appear online on the zoom call. cam— appear online on the zoom call. cam-muts— appear online on the zoom call.| can-mute-face? appear online on the zoom call.- can-mute-face? can you just mute your the face? you— can you just mute your the face? you-to— can you just mute your the face? you-to bs— can you just mute your the face? you-to be-through- you have to be seen through the entire it's about entire time because it's about shaming. asleep with shaming. and i fall asleep with my—but— shaming. and i fall asleep with my—but tbs- shaming. and i fall asleep with my_but the point- my eyes open. but the point so sbs— my eyes open. but the point so| sbs—guaaamtss she didn't want but i guarantee no she didn't want but i guarantee mo-wouta— she didn't want but i guarantee no would recognised no one would have recognised tbsas-s—oml no one would have recognised. tbsas-s—om tbs there's about ten people on the -gst— there's about ten people on the -gst yout- there's about ten people on the course. get your little course. yes, you get your little mamsltbs— course. yes, you get your little name the beginning. no name at the beginning. no one assogmtsss— name at the beginning. no one sogtssst—s- recognises me, which is unbelievable.- unbelievable. but. but you understand— unbelievable. but. but you understand saying unbelievable. but. but you undeiwe �*id saying unbelievable. but. but you undeiwe could saying unbelievable. but. but you undeiwe could her ng think we could give her the bsmsttt— think we could give her the benefit-doubt- think we could give her thej benefit-doubt-if think we could give her the. benefit-doubt-if it benefit of the doubt here if it bust— benefit of the doubt here if it bust a— benefit of the doubt here if it was just a question rather than get was just a question rather than gst-tt— was just a question rather than gst-ttlsbs- get out of it. all she was ttytmg— get out of it. all she was ttytmg-tust- get out of it. all she was tfiling-j“t geti get out of it. all she was- trying _just get and trying to do was just get and tbsy— trying to do was just get and tbsy-sbsstat- trying to do was just get and they special speed they do do special speed awareness— they do do special speed awareness for awareness courses. yeah. for taous— awareness courses. yeah. for tamous bsobts. — awareness courses. yeah. for famous people. so is like famous people. so this is like it's famous people. so this is like tts-tbts— famous people. so this is like tts-tbts ts— famous people. so this is likei it's-this is-brand it's not like this is some brand sww—asl it's not like this is some brand. new thing. the question was how must—sswamtsl much her asking civil servants to—was— much her asking civil servants to—was tbs- much her asking civil servants. to _was the problem. to look into it was the problem. if to look into it was the problem. tt sbs-t— to look into it was the problem. tt sbs-t got— to look into it was the problem. tt sbs-t got a— to look into it was the problem. if she'd got a lawyer or someone,-else if she'd got a lawyer or- someone,-else really. someone, anybody else really. but—toa- but using civil servants for a batwats— but using civil servants for a private matter— but using civil servants for a private matter that the private matter that is the concern. well, there's an article express article in the express today saying are concerns saying that there are concerns within that are within whitehall that there are

there's move to try kind there's a move to try a kind of coup of coup to try and get rid of brexiteer tories and that and there's look , nothing is there's no look, nothing is confirmed. this might be conspiratorial thinking, but but confirmed. this might be conspisitorial thinking, but but confirmed. this might be conspis certainly�*iking, but but confirmed. this might be conspis certainly a ing, but but confirmed. this might be conspis certainly a perceptiont there is certainly a perception that going might that that is going on. might that that is going on. might that it? because this that be part of it? because this does quite minor. i mean, does seem quite minor. i mean, it's it? it it's politics, isn't it? it seems completely minor to me. it's seems completely minor to me. us just— seems completely minor to me. it's just another— seems completely minor to me. it's just another one. you know, if it's just another one. you know, tt t— it's just another one. you know, tt t was— it's just another one. you know, tt t tswts— it's just another one. you know, if i was lewis-i- if i was lewis chauffeur, i mtgbt— if i was lewis chauffeur, i mtgbt catt— if i was lewis chauffeur, i might call it— if i was lewis chauffeur, i might call it a- if i was lewis chauffeur, i might call it a non—story. i tbtmt— might call it a non—story. i tbtmt tts— might call it a non—story. i think it's no,— might call it a non—story. i think it's no, it's- might call it a non—story. i think it's no, it's not a story. satay. — think it's no, it's not a story. somy. bsauss— think it's no, it's not a story. sorry. because last- think it's no, it's not a story. sorry. because last week- think it's no, it's not a story. sorry. because last week she basically made a bare faced bid for the leadership up, assuming that that tories will most likely go. yes. that was really what she did. what? a week later, suddenly there's calls for that's politics. for her to go. that's politics. so story. is so it's not a non story. it is a thing. and also as and more thing. and also as more and more people turning against people are turning against brexit of course the tories are going it's a toxic issue for them. so you're saying that bottttstams— them. so you're saying that politicians can— them. so you're saying that politicians can use- so you're saying that politicians can use underhand mstbots— politicians can use underhand methods dispatch their methods to dispatch their smsmtss— methods to dispatch their enemies? never heard of enemies? i've never heard of tbts.— enemies? i've never heard of tbts. wow.— enemies? i've never heard of this. wow. this— enemies? i've never heard of this. wow. this is— enemies? i've never heard of this. wow. this is ridiculous. btowtmg— this. wow. this is ridiculous. blowing people's— this. wow. this is ridiculous. blowing people's minds- this. wow. this is ridiculous. blowing people's minds out there. okay, we've got a question now from dave. where is dave ? oh, hi. hello— question now from dave. where is dave ? oh, hi. hello _ question now from dave. where is dave ? oh, hi. hello would you be dave? oh, hi. hello would you be offended if i called you fat?

get out . yeah, i would . you get out. yeah, i would. you mow,— get out. yeah, i would. you know, because— get out. yeah, i would. you know, because i— get out. yeah, i would. you know, because i go up and down, t-ys— know, because i go up and down, t-ys got— know, because i go up and down, t-ys got tbat— know, because i go up and down, i've got that sort— know, because i go up and down, i've got that sort of— know, because i go up and down, i've got that sort of metabolism . but— i've got that sort of metabolism . but mo— i've got that sort of metabolism . but tbts— i've got that sort of metabolism . but no, this is— i've got that sort of metabolism . but no, this is specific bsauss— . but no, this is specific because there's now researchers are because there's now researchers saytmg— because there's now researchers saytmg tbat— because there's now researchers are saying that the— because there's now researchers are saying that the word obesity sboutt — are saying that the word obesity sboutt bs — are saying that the word obesity should be renamed , rebranded to should be renamed, rebranded to awott— should be renamed, rebranded to awott sttgma— should be renamed, rebranded to avoid stigma and— should be renamed, rebranded to avoid stigma and that it should be avoid stigma and that it should bs tmowm— avoid stigma and that it should bs known as— avoid stigma and that it should be known as chronic appetite aysasgutattom— be known as chronic appetite dysregulation ,_ be known as chronic appetite dysregulation , which is a bit of dysregulation, which is a bit of a moutbtut— dysregulation, which is a bit of a moutbtut .— dysregulation, which is a bit of a mouthful, which is quite abbaobatats— a mouthful, which is quite appropriate for— a mouthful, which is quite appropriate for obese people . appropriate for obese people. now— appropriate for obese people. now, actually,— appropriate for obese people. now, actually, i— appropriate for obese people. now, actually, i think the point of now, actually, i think the point ot tbts— now, actually, i think the point ot tbts asatty— now, actually, i think the point of this really is— now, actually, i think the point of this really is about they want— of this really is about they want t— of this really is about they want tt to— of this really is about they want it to be— of this really is about they want it to be recognised as a ttssass— want it to be recognised as a atssass .— want it to be recognised as a atssass . yss— want it to be recognised as a disease . yes. and- want it to be recognised as a disease . yes. and if you disease. yes. and if you ssogts— disease. yes. and if you recognise obesity as a disease amt— recognise obesity as a disease amt you— recognise obesity as a disease amt you gtws— recognise obesity as a disease amt you gtws tt— recognise obesity as a disease and you give it like a disease soumttmg— and you give it like a disease sounding name,— and you give it like a disease sounding name, people will then get sounding name, people will then gst-amt— sounding name, people will then gst-amt tsat— sounding name, people will then get-and deal with— sounding name, people will then get and deal with but get try and deal with it. but tbsm— get try and deal with it. but tbsm-tat— get try and deal with it. but then _fat activists. get try and deal with it. but then fat activists will then a lot of fat activists will say— then a lot of fat activists will say tbat— then a lot of fat activists will say tbat tbts— then a lot of fat activists will say that this and— then a lot of fat activists will say that this and i'm not making tbat— say that this and i'm not making tbat-mats— say that this and i'm not making that-that's what— say that this and i'm not making that that's what call that up. that's what they call tbsmsstwss. — that up. that's what they call themsecalled_ that up. that's what they call themsecalled fat— that up. that's what they call themsecalled fat atheists. they're called fat atheists. ysab. but— they're called fat atheists. yeah. but-body. they're called fat atheists. - yeah. but-body positive yeah. but they are body positive movement people. _ “43?" but they are body positive movement people. they will say tbat— movement people. they will say tbat amy— movement people. they will say that any suggestion that obesity is that any suggestion that obesity ts-to— that any suggestion that obesity ts-to boot— that any suggestion that obesity is-to poor health- that any suggestion that obesity is to poor health is is linked to poor health is a som— is linked to poor health is a sort ot— is linked to poor health is a sort ot swtt— is linked to poor health is a sort ot sytt .— is linked to poor health is a sort of evil , cis,_ is linked to poor health is a sort of evil , cis, hetero white, sort of evil, cis, hetero white, battasbat— sort of evil, cis, hetero white, patriarchal discourse . and they patriarchal discourse. and they wttt— patriarchal discourse. and they wttt bs— patriarchal discourse. and they wttt bs angry— patriarchal discourse. and they will be angry about this. 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will be angry about this. they will be. and i don't support them. i think fat, fat activists is body positivity they call themselves fat activists. i'm not i'm not just saying- i . i'm not i'm not just saying they're fat activists— not i'm not just saying they're fat activists ,_ not i'm not just saying they're fat activists , although fat activists, although coincidentally , i feel like an coincidentally, i feel like an ott— coincidentally, i feel like an out bssom— coincidentally, i feel like an old person getting tripped up on the old person getting tripped up on tbs tamguags. — old person getting tripped up on tbs tamguags. t— old person getting tripped up on the language. tit?“ e old person getting tripped up on the language. i i e : the language. i can't be allowed to say fat. no, you can say fat. fat. oh god. yeah. yeah. i just think it's one of the nastiest things because it's very often you these fat activists who you get these fat activists who are fit and healthy in are still fit and healthy in their youth, and then they keel over and die at 42. yeah, because they're not healthy. over and die at 42. yeah, becauit's hey're not healthy. over and die at 42. yeah, becauit's interesting�*iealthy. over and die at 42. yeah, becauit's interesting because well, it's interesting because cams— well, it's interesting because cams-ut- well, it's interesting because camssa-ut .- well, it's interesting because- cancer-uk ,iremember cancer research uk, i remember tbsy—abysm- cancer research uk, i remember they advert warning they put out this advert warning bsobts—ts- they put out this advert warning bsobts—ts oms- they put out this advert warning people—is one of. people that obesity is one of tbs— people that obesity is one of tbs tob— people that obesity is one of the top causes— people that obesity is one of the top causes of— people that obesity is one of the top causes of cancer. and tbsm— the top causes of cancer. and tbsmlssatatm— the top causes of cancer. and then certain comedian who then a certain comedian who i wont— then a certain comedian who i won't-tweeted- then a certain comedian who i won't tweeted megan there won't name tweeted megan there we won't name tweeted megan there ws go. — won't name tweeted megan there ws go. tosbua— won't name tweeted megan there we go. joshua namer tweeted cams— we go. joshua namer tweeted cancer research— we go. joshua namer tweeted cancer research uk and just staggst— cancer research uk and just staggsa tbsm— cancer research uk and just slagged them off and just said toot— slagged them off and just said toot bow— slagged them off and just said look how evil— slagged them off and just said look how evil they are. lg look how evil they are. truly utsgustmg— look how evil they are. truly utsgusttmg .— look how evil they are. truly disgusting . the cancer uk is disgusting. the cancer uk is trying to save people's lives. yeah she was making a cynical ploy. i believe . kyiv. he says ploy. i believe. kyiv. he says for legal reasons. yeah. to raise her own profile on the back of all of this by accusing them of being somewhat bigoted

or whatever when they they're trying to stop people getting cancer. cynical or no, the fat asttwtst— cancer. cynical or no, the fat activist position _ cancer. cynical or no, the fat activist position is— ii cynical or no, the fat activist position is precisely tbat— activist position is precisely tbat tbat— activist position is precisely that that that— activist position is precisely that that that any kind of suggssttom— that that that any kind of suggestion that there is any bsattb— suggestion that there is any bsattb tst— suggestion that there is any health risk with— suggestion that there is any health risk with obesity is swtt— health risk with obesity is swtt. but— health risk with obesity is evil. but of— health risk with obesity is evil. but of course, of course, tbsss— evil. but of course, of course, tbsas ts. — evil. but of course, of course, there is. yeah. _ evil. but of course, of course, there is. yeah. so- evil. but of course, of course, there is. yeah. so but but the changing of the name here, it's like it is getting longer. it goes from to obese to blah, goes from fat to obese to blah, blah, mean, but the blah, blah. i mean, but the meaning stays same at meaning still stays the same at some point that you call some point that if you call someone obese now, that's still offensive do you see offensive to them. do you see what mean? so if you it what i mean? so if you change it and make longer , that's going and make it longer, that's going to offensive to then become the offensive thing in end, thing to say. and in the end, let's just go back to fat . no, let's just go back to fat. no, just for just. okay let's just go back to fat. no, just forjust. okay . right. just forjust. okay. right. let's move just for just. okay. right. let's move to just forjust. okay. right. let's move to on a final question now from heather. where is heather? heather, hello. hello hi. is whiteness bad for the hello hi. is whiteness bad for tbs tbsatss— hello hi. is whiteness bad for the theatre? yeah— hello hi. is whiteness bad for the theatre? yeah _ hi. is whiteness bad for the theatre? yeah so the theatre royal stratford east has been accused of setting a rather dangerous precedent because it is. there's a new production there. it's urged white people to stay away from the play. so that the audience quote,

that the audience is, quote, free from the white gaze. and this is a show called tambo and bones. now now the theme of the play bones. now now the theme of the play is african american history. but this idea that white people can't watch and appreciate a play about african, it's very divisive , isn't it? i it's very divisive, isn't it? i think so. i mean, we've t: . e 7 i think so. i mean, we've talked about— think so. i mean, we've talked about tbts— think so. i mean, we've talked about this sort— think so. i mean, we've talked about this sort of— think so. i mean, we've talked about this sort of thing on the stow— about this sort of thing on the sbow beg...— about this sort of thing on the show before, haven't we? amytbtmg— show before, haven't we? anything leads with your anything that leads with your tmmutabts— anything that leads with your immutable characteristics rather than— immutable characteristics rather than tbs — immutable characteristics rather than the person— immutable characteristics rather than the person is— immutable characteristics rather than the person is just a bad ttsas — than the person is just a bad ttsas yss— than the person is just a bad idea? yes, but— than the person is just a bad idea? yes, but it's- than the person is just a bad idea? /tzit; e t; idea? yes, but it's interesting as well. again, we come back to this point. we mentioned earlier the actual edict says a black identifying audience. yes. so you could identify as black and buy a ticket. and they're calling it they're the calling it they're calling the evening a black out. but surely it be evening a black out. but surely tt-bs sattst— evening a black out. but surely it-be called black- evening a black out. but surely it-be called black in- it should be called black in somustmg— it should be called black in confusing this— it should be called black in confusing this whole thing. but no , t— confusing this whole thing. but no , t tbtmt— confusing this whole thing. but no , i think the— confusing this whole thing. but no , i think the sad thing is no, i think the sad thing is suttuas— no, i think the sad thing is suttuas at— no, i think the sad thing is culture at its— no, i think the sad thing is culture at its best is a way of batmgtmg— culture at its best is a way of bringing peopl�*3— culture at its best is a way of bringing people together. and even-someone- bringing people together. and even someone isn't part of even when someone isn't part of a ssatatm— even when someone isn't part of assatatm-ttts— even when someone isn't part of a certain _like there - a certain culture, like there was-tbs— a certain culture, like there was-the royal- a certain culture, like there was the royal court was a play, the royal court sausa— was a play, the royal court sattst tsws— was a play, the royal court called jews talking about six months— called jews talking about six momtbs ago— called jews talking about six months ago and— called jews talking about six months ago and it was all tatttmg— months ago and it was all talking about— months ago and it was all talking about the jewish bsasbssttws— talking about the jewish perspective the uk talking about the jewish - perspective _the uk and perspective over in the uk and tbsss— perspective over in the uk and tbsas—ot— perspective over in the uk and tbsas—ot tbs-

perspective over in the uk and there of the audience there were most of the audience mostty— there were most of the audience were mostly people to were mostly jewish people to bsa— were mostly jewish people toi asa—amt hear their lives reflected. and tbsss— hear their lives reflected. and there _ non—jews . hear their lives reflected. and- there _ non—jews there. hear their lives reflected. and therthe non—jews there. hear their lives reflected. and therthe point non—jews there. hear their lives reflected. and therthe point wasion—jews there. hear their lives reflected. and therthe point was that|ews there. hear their lives reflected. and therthe point was that peopleere. but the point was that people all but the point was that people at tbsss— but the point was that people at tbsas-tt— but the point was that people all there-it was- but the point was that people all there it was an all there was it was an enlightening- all there was it was an enlightening experience and tbat-s— enlightening experience and that's _culture - enlightening experience and that's culture can be. that's what culture can be. but no one suggested— that's what culture can be. but no one suggested that non—jewish people that. people shouldn't attend that. and but i would and of course not. but i would and i would say, that's ridiculous. iwould and i would say, that's ridiculous. i would wish and i would say, that's ridiculous. iwould wish there ridiculous. i would i wish there were more non—jews who came atomg— were more non—jews who came atomg-to— were more non—jews who came atomg-to bsa- were more non—jews who came along-to hear what- were more non—jews who came along to hear what was along to that, to hear what was sata— along to that, to hear what was satt to— along to that, to hear what was satt to tsam— along to that, to hear what was said to learn what— along to that, to hear what was said to learn what life was like for said to learn what life was like to a— said to learn what life was like for a different— said to learn what life was like for a different group of people trom— for a different group of people from - perspective - for a different group of people from perspective and from their perspective and tbat-s— from their perspective and that's that's— from their perspective and that's that's when culture is at its that's that's when culture is at tts-so— that's that's when culture is at tts-so tbs— that's that's when culture is at tts-so tbs-to- that's that's when culture is at its-so the -to makei that's that's when culture is at its so the to make it its best. so the idea to make it sxstustws— its best. so the idea to make it exclusive .there _ its best. so the idea to make it exclusive there fair, exclusive and there to be fair, tbsy-as—toa- exclusive and there to be fair, they're _for one - they're saying it's for one mtgbt—.- they're saying it's for onel mtgbt—.ltbtmt they're saying it's for one - night_.|think it's night or whatever. i think it's sat. — night or whatever. i think it's sat. t— night or whatever. i think it's sat. t msam— night or whatever. i think it's sat. t .— night or whatever. i think it's sad. i mean , it— night or whatever. i think it's sad. i mean , it makes me feel sad. i mean, it makes me feel sat.— sad. i mean, it makes me feel sat. — sad. i mean, it makes me feel sat. watt.— sad. i mean, it makes me feel sad. well, it's— sad. i mean, it makes me feel sad. well, it's again,- sad. i mean, it makes me feel sad. �*ftt�*tzicc c 39? i sad. i mean, it makes me feel sad. d i sad. well, it's again, this idea the way that identity politics has gone is that although it might be grounded really might be grounded in really good intentions, you know, let's identify racism and stamp it out, a thing . but out, which is a good thing. but actually up with is actually what you end up with is actually what you end up with is a more hyper racialized society that divides people, which is why we ended up, do you remember with the american school in london kids by skin london segregating kids by skin colour for after school activities? point activities? that's the end point of the kids are like, of this. and the kids are like, what? with what? why can't i be with my friends? on? well, friends? what's going on? well, i you're a family

i imagine if you're a family tbat-s— i imagine if you're a family that's-white- i imagine if you're a family- that's-white members that's got some white members amt—what- that's got some white members amt—what to- that's got some white members and—what do you. that's got some white membersl and—what do you do and some other, what do you do on and some other, what do you do om-swsmtmgs— and some other, what do you do on-evening?-well,. on on the evening? just well, mum— on on the evening? just well, mum-go— on on the evening? just well, mum-go tonight,- on on the evening? just well, mum go tonight, but dad on on the evening? just well, muror go tonight, but dad on on the evening? just well, muror evenjo tonight, but dad on on the evening? just well, muror even just night, but dad on on the evening? just well, muror even just saying3ut dad on on the evening? just well, muror even just saying to dad on on the evening? just well, muror even just saying to kids can or even just saying to kids bts— can or even just saying to kids ttts os— can or even just saying to kids ttts ot— can or even just saying to kids like one of your— can or even just saying to kids like one of your parents is an obbasssoa—tsl like one of your parents is anl oppressor_is the oppressor and the other is the obbasssst. — oppressor and the other is the obbassssa. -— oppressor and the other is the oppressed. -. it's.- oppressor and the other is the oppressed. c �*ftt�*i i oppressed. yeah. it's. which is often . you should oppressed. yeah. it's. which is often-. you should then. often true. you should then tsst. — often true. you should then tsst. ysab— often true. you should then tsst. ysab .— often true. you should then feel. yeah . yeah.- often true. you should then feel. yeah . yeah. but that's not feel. yeah. yeah. but that's not good. that's racist. this idea of white gaze, like there's of the white gaze, like there's some traumatising some sort of the traumatising element like , like there some sort of the traumatising el sucht like , like there some sort of the traumatising elsuch a like , like there some sort of the traumatising elsuch a thing.ike , like there some sort of the traumatising elsuch a thing ast , like there some sort of the traumatising elsuch a thing as a like there some sort of the traumatising elsuch a thing as a white �*iere some sort of the traumatising elsuch a thing as a white gaze. is such a thing as a white gaze. yeah. it's fully and number two is yeah. it's fully and number two ts tbat— yeah. it's fully and number two ts tbat tts— yeah. it's fully and number two is that it's somehow that black bsobts— is that it's somehow that black bsobts woutt— is that it's somehow that black people would perceive that to be in people would perceive that to be tm a— people would perceive that to be tm a msgattws— people would perceive that to be in a negative way— people would perceive that to be in a negative way .— people would perceive that to be in a negative way . like they're in a negative way. like they're too— in a negative way. like they're too sensitive— in a negative way. like they're too sensitive for— in a negative way. like they're too sensitive for the white. but— too sensitive for the white. but ws-ts— too sensitive for the white. but we're all— too sensitive for the white. but we're all we're- too sensitive for the white. but we're all we're all- too sensitive for the white. but we're all we're all the same. we all gaze in the same way. you don't have you certainly do anyway. what does that mean ? it was a pun on gaze that mean? it was a pun on gaze . tt— that mean? it was a pun on gaze . tt was— that mean? it was a pun on gaze . it was josh's casual homophobia. that's which we all love him for all right, next question from emma. where is emma ? where is emma? i'm here. emma? where is emma? i'm here. hello, emma. emma dropped the microphone in case anyone at home is wondering about that. awkward pause. emma . how many is

awkward pause. emma. how many is too many when it comes to classroom sizes? oh, well, i have some thoughts on this. so there is now a funding crisis in england. they're saying now this could lead to class sizes big could lead to class sizes as big as school year. now as 80 in the school year. now look, i went to a school. i went to a comprehensive way of our class sizes around and class sizes were around 40. and i was bad enough i thought that was bad enough because basically nothing i thought that was bad enough becaijust basically nothing i thought that was bad enough becaijust lthere.ly nothing i thought that was bad enough becaijust lthere and nothing i thought that was bad enough becaijust lthere and talkeding . we just sat there and talked and just had to deal and the teacher just had to deal with but when i became with it. but when i became a teacher, i was teaching at a private i was really private school and i was really shocked sudden shocked because all of a sudden it a class. i it was like 15, 20in a class. i was is easy. and it was like, this is easy. and it was like, this is easy. and it was better. kids did get was better. and the kids did get a education. think it's a better education. i think it's so key. actually. cressida to have it's the have smaller class. it's the single important thing you single most important thing you can for schools reduce can do for schools is to reduce class size numbers. 80. you may as well. i mean, that's like you may be a lion tamer may as well be a lion tamer at that point. it's lecture , that point. it's a lecture, tsm-t— that point. it's a lecture, tsm-t tts— that point. it's a lecture, isn't it? yeah,— that point. it's a lecture, isn't it? yeah, it's- it's a lecture, isn't it? yeah, it's not. it's ttts— isn't it? yeah, it's not. it's bts-a— isn't it? yeah, it's not. it's bts-a gtg- isn't it? yeah, it's not. it's like-a gig. it's. isn't it? yeah, it's not. it'si like-a gig. it's not like going to a gig. it's not say.— like going to a gig. it's not asattylmot— like going to a gig. it's not really. not lesson. ' t: really. it's not a lesson. and tbsss— really. it's not a lesson. and tbsts as— really. it's not a lesson. and there are some— really. it's not a lesson. and there are some classes that aren't listen. aren't going to listen. you know. totally. yeah. i think tts— know. totally. yeah. i think tts-t— know. totally. yeah. i think tts-t tsst- know. totally. yeah. i think it's.-i feel-fori it's. i mean, i feel sorry for tsasbsas— it's. i mean, i feel sorry fori teachers—home teachers all the time, home ssboottmg— teachers all the time, home schooling otherwise. i think schooling or otherwise. i think it-horrendous. - schooling or otherwise. i think it-horrendous. 80- schooling or otherwise. i think it horrendous. 80 mean, schooling or otherwise. i think it opportunities ous. 80 mean,

schooling or otherwise. i think it opportunities for. 80 mean, schooling or otherwise. i think it opportunities for messingaan, the opportunities for messing about— the opportunities for messing about at— the opportunities for messing about at tbs— the opportunities for messing about at the back are just through— about at the back are just through tbs— about at the back are just through the roof. �*ftt�*tzicc through the roof. well, not only that, like marking is going to people are going fall behind people are going to fall behind on not on marking. it's just not going to they're not to get done. they're not going to get done. they're not going to attention to give any individual attention to give any individual attention to particularly need to kids who particularly need it. are to it. some kids are going to be, you in which you know, the way in which some of kids who attention, of the kids who need attention, you're to be able to you're not going to be able to identify you've got identify them if you've got a class of that size. it does seem like work. no, like it just cannot work. no, it's nuanced it's a somewhat more nuanced idea. the idea they be idea. the idea is they would be tattmg— idea. the idea is they would be tattmg-tbs— idea. the idea is they would be taking-the number- : the idea is they would be taking the number of sets taking down the number of sets wbsas—ssts- where maybe like ten sets to stgbt— where maybe like ten sets to stgbt-so— where maybe like ten sets to stgbt-so tbs— where maybe like ten sets to eight-so the rest- where maybe like ten sets to eight so the rest of the eight sets. so the rest of the tassss— eight sets. so the rest of the classes would _ eight sets. so the rest of the classes would have the sort of omat— classes would have the sort of moamat—but- classes would have the sort of normal—but then. classes would have the sort of. normal—but then the normal number 30, but then the top normal number 30, but then the tob-woutt— normal number 30, but then the tob-woutt bs- normal number 30, but then the top-would be put- top two sets would be put togstbsu — top two sets would be put together. - idea - together. the idea is that tbsy-as— together. the idea is that tbsy-as-soat- together. the idea is that they're - sort of - they're the sort of the cleverest _ they're the sort of the - cleverest _ most well cleverest kids or the most well bsbawst— cleverest kids or the most well bsbayst-you- cleverest kids or the most well behaved you would behaved kids. so you would somswbat— behaved kids. so you would. somewhat—still somewhat get away with. i still tom-t— somewhat get away with. i still tom-t-tbats— somewhat get away with. i still don't-that's right.- don't think that's right. i stttt— don't think that's right. i still-penalty. still think the penalty for totmg— still think the penalty for totmg wstt. — still think the penalty for doing well. no, no, absolutely. amt— doing well. no, no, absolutely. amt t— doing well. no, no, absolutely. amt t-tt-s— doing well. no, no, absolutely. and i-it's wrong.- and i think it's wrong. and i tbtmt—ot- think that the lack of investment - think that the lack of investment and put into and investment and put into it and the government— investment and put into it and the government ,_ investment and put into it and the government , of are the government, of course, are saytmg,— the government, of course, are saytmg-ws— the government, of course, are saytmg-ws-tm- the government, of course, arei saying,-we-in these saying, oh, no, we put in these bttttoms— saying, oh, no, we put in these bttttoms oa— saying, oh, no, we put in these billions or whatever. but that's all billions or whatever. but that's att-sustst— billions or whatever. but that's att-sustsa ub— billions or whatever. but that's all-sucked up.the- all being sucked up by the increase, increases all being sucked up by the incouple increases all being sucked up by the incouple of increases all being sucked up by the incouple of years increases all being sucked up by the incouple of years ago.ases all being sucked up by the incouple of years ago. it's; a couple of years ago. it's bts,— a couple of years ago. it's like, tbat-s— a couple of years ago. it's like, that's fund- a couple of years ago. it's like, that's fund future. like, that's fund our future. tts— like, that's fund our future. tts-oua— like, that's fund our future. it's-our future- like, that's fund our future. it's our future as it's literally our future as a country.— it's literally our future as a country-meant- it's literally our future as a country. meant that we're country. it's meant that we're mot— country. it's meant that we're mot butttmg— country. it's meant that we're not putting that— country. it's meant that we're not putting that money in. tbsy-as— not putting that money in. they're totally— not putting that money in. they're totally agreed. [its/sci;

they're totally agreed. okay. so anyway.— they're totally agreed. okay. so anyway. tbat-s— they're totally agreed. okay. so anyway, that's all we got time for but the break on for now. but after the break on free danny free speech nation, danny kruger, the mp, been widely kruger, the mp, has been widely criticised for his comments this week about so—called normative families . week about so—called normative families. could this lead to a rift in the tory party? we will discuss. see you in a moment.

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absotutsty— normative family and he is absolutely a— normative family and he is absolutely a strong basis for soststy— absolutely a strong basis for soststy .— absolutely a strong basis for soststy . us— absolutely a strong basis for soststy . us t— absolutely a strong basis for society . he i mean, to make the society. he i mean, to make the agumsmt— society. he i mean, to make the agumsmt tbat— society. he i mean, to make the argument that if— society. he i mean, to make the argument that if you're in an abustws— argument that if you're in an abusive marriage , you must stick abusive marriage, you must stick togstbsa— abusive marriage, you must stick togstbsa toa— abusive marriage, you must stick together for the _ abusive marriage, you must stick together for the sake of the ttas. — together for the sake of the kids. otherwise,— together for the sake of the kids. otherwise, you're somehow umtsamtmtmg— kids. otherwise, you're somehow undermining society. kids. otherwise, you're somehow undermining society . iiuitcc undermining society. matt uamsost— undermining society. matt hancock they're- undermining society. matt hancock they're always the spokesperson for good family values . so to discuss this values. so to discuss this further, i'm joined by lois mcclatchie, who's senior officer at alliance defending freedom uk. welcome to the show, lois lisa nandy and i should say you're getting married this week. congratulations. so this is this is a good time for you to talk about this, isn't it? so what do you make. first and foremost, of danny kruger's comments saying should comments saying that we should support society is support the family in society is just about the least controversial thing that you can ever say. everybody cares about tbsta— ever say. everybody cares about tbsta tamtty. — ever say. everybody cares about their family. this— ever say. everybody cares about their family. this is— everybody cares about their family. this is something tbat— their family. this is something tbat ws— their family. this is something tbat ws mow— their family. this is something that we know and is a long term tum— that we know and is a long term tutm tbat— that we know and is a long term truth, that families— that we know and is a long term truth, that families do prosper. they— truth, that families do prosper. tbsy—amt- truth, that families do prosper. tbsy—amt forl they make up society. and for a somsswattws— they make up society. and for a conservative mp _ they make up society. and for a conservative mp to— they make up society. and for a conservative mp to say that we sboutt — conservative mp to say that we sbouttlmoas— conservative mp to say that we should i more to _ conservative mp to say that we should more to support family should do more to support family umtts— should do more to support family umtts ts— should do more to support family umtts ts agatm— should do more to support family units is again the— should do more to support family units is again the least controversial- controversial thing to say. so tts— it's bizarre. well, he's a conservative. - it's bizarre. well, he's a conservative. �*ftt�*tzicc it's bizarre. well, he's a

conservative. well, he is a conservative, so you would have thought of course, we've thought so. and of course, we've sssmm— tbs- seen some backlashes in the party,— seen some backlashes in the batty-guts- seen some backlashes in the party, quite confusing seen some backlashes in the pokay. quite confusing seen some backlashes in the pokay. tuftt;iite confusing seen some backlashes in the pokay. confusing seen some backlashes in the pokay. 33 t; . okay. but was he suggesting that there are plenty of different types of families? there are same sex couples with children there are you know, there are single parent families. all this. is he suggesting people suggesting that those people be penalised or people penalised or those people be stigmatised any way? he made stigmatised in any way? he made no suggestion stigmatised in any way? he made no suggssttom ot— stigmatised in any way? he made no suggestion of such— stigmatised in any way? he made no suggestion of such that- no suggestion of such that amyos— no suggestion of such that anyone but anyone should be penalised. but wbat—was— anyone should be penalised. but wbat—was-tt- anyone should be penalised. but what—was-it is. what he did say was that it is gasat— what he did say was that it is gasat tt— what he did say was that it is gasat tt a— what he did say was that it is great if a family— what he did say was that it is great if a family can flourish. amt— great if a family can flourish. amt ws— great if a family can flourish. amt ws to— great if a family can flourish. and we do know— great if a family can flourish. and we do know that it bears out in and we do know that it bears out tm tbs— and we do know that it bears out in the statistics— and we do know that it bears out in the statistics as— and we do know that it bears out in the statistics as well . in the statistics as well. cbttttsm— in the statistics as well. children with- in the statistics as well. children with married parents acts— children with married parents acts tsma— children with married parents acts tsmt to— children with married parents acas tend to report better msmtat— acas tend to report better mental health— acas tend to report better mental health than those without the mental health than those without tbs tamtttss— mental health than those without the families flourish for the saws— the families flourish for the sats ot— the families flourish for the sake of women— the families flourish for the sake of women and men as well. womsm— sake of women and men as well. womsm suttsa— sake of women and men as well. women suffer less— sake of women and men as well. women suffer less acts of wtotsmss— women suffer less acts of violence if— women suffer less acts of violence if they- women suffer less acts of violence if they are married and bsmstats— violence if they are married and men perpetrate less violence wbsm— men perpetrate less violence wbsm tbsy— men perpetrate less violence wbsm tbsy as— men perpetrate less violence when they are married. these stattsttss— when they are married. these statistics bear— when they are married. these statistics bear out in the tutb. — statistics bear out in the truth. however, there are, i'm sure you're aware,— truth. however, there are, i'm sure you're aware, marriages tbat—tbat- that don't work, that are abustws— that don't work, that are abustys .— that don't work, that are abusive , where you know people abusive, where you know people to stay— abusive, where you know people to stay together— abusive, where you know people to stay together is— abusive, where you know people to stay together is a genuine tst— to stay together is a genuine atst tm— to stay together is a genuine risk in those— to stay together is a genuine risk in those situations . risk in those situations. surety— risk in those situations. sutsty tt— risk in those situations. surety tt ts— risk in those situations. surely it is better- risk in those situations. surely it is better to- risk in those situations. surely it is better to part of course, there are always exceptions to the rule and

absolutely people face difficult situations and we should also say that many single parents do a fantastic at raising their a fantastic job at raising their kids. but that a fantastic job at raising their kids . but that isn't mean that kids. but that isn't mean that tbsas-s— kids. but that isn't mean that there's anything— tit; but that isn't mean that there's anything wrong or ottsmstws— there's anything wrong or offensive saying that we offensive about saying that we sbouta— offensive about saying that we sbouta subboat— offensive about saying that we should support the structure wbtsb— should support the structure which enables— should support the structure which enables people to flourish most.— which enables people to flourish most-_tamtty- which enables people to flourish most._family andl most. and that's the family and to sttsmss— most. and that's the family and to silence them— most. and that's the family and to silence them and say that he amt— to silence them and say that he and commented— to silence them and say that he and commented that that would toss— and commented that that would toss tbs— and commented that that would toss tbs batty— and commented that that would lose the party vote for a gsmsaattom— lose the party vote for a generation .— lose the party vote for a generation . i,- lose the party vote for a generation . i, i don't think generation. i, i don't think tbat-s— generation. i, i don't think was tus— generation. i, i don't think that's true. i— generation. i, i don't think that's true. i think lots of bsobts— that's true. i think lots ofi people _families that's true. i think lots of- people_families are people agree that families are gasat— people agree that families are gasat amt— people agree that families are great and-should- people agree that families are great and should more to great and we should do more to support—many- great and we should do more to support many women support them. and many women are now support them. and many women are m—owags— support them. and many women are m—owags ot— support them. and many women are m—owags ot so- now reaching the age of 30 wttbout— now reaching the age of 30 without kids.— now reaching the age of 30 without kids. and that's not by tbsta—woutt- without kids. and that's not by their—would like. without kids. and that's not byl their—would like to their choice. they would like to be their choice. they would like to bs—bawtmg- be able to invest in having a tamtty,— be able to invest in having a tamttylas— be able to invest in having a tamttylas a— be able to invest in having a family, are a society is not family, but are a society is not sst— family, but are a society is not sst ub— family, but are a society is not sst up to— family, but are a society is not sst up to support— family, but are a society is not set up to support them very wstt— set up to support them very wstt-systsm- set up to support them very well.-system is- set up to support them very well. system is not set up to support them very- well.-system is not very well. our tax system is not very tamtty— well. our tax system is not very tamtty-amt— well. our tax system is not very family-and.don't. family friendly and we don't gtws— family friendly and we don't gtys tbat— family friendly and we don't give that credit— family friendly and we don't give that credit that that support— give that credit that that subbott to— give that credit that that support to families like we shouts,— support to families like we should, because investing in the asst— should, because investing in the next generation _ should, because investing in the next generation is— should, because investing in the next generation is really ssssmttat— next generation is really essential . _ next generation is really essential. 't: next generation is really essential. : next generation is really essential . and what you make essential. and what did you make of hancock's it of matt hancock's response? it seemed quite an emotive response, it response, i'll be honest. it feels like, you know, it felt like was angry. it may have like he was angry. it may have been like he was angry. it may have bssm-ot— like he was angry. it may have bssm-ot a— like he was angry. it may have been-of a personal- c fig 3 it may have been of a personal issue been a bit of a personal issue for-understand- for him. i do understand that. but—tbat- for him. i do understand that. but—that that- for him. i do understand that.| but—that that these but to say that that that these austs — but to say that that that these values, these _ but to say that that that these values, these very— but to say that that that these

values, these very basic , values, these very basic, fundamental— values, these very basic, fundamental family values will toss— fundamental family values will toss subboat— fundamental family values will toss subbott tt— fundamental family values will lose support if the conservatives just utterly womg— conservatives just utterly womg tbs— conservatives just utterly wrong. the conservatives have bssm— wrong. the conservatives have bssm mowtmg— wrong. the conservatives have been moving away from supporting the been moving away from supporting tbs tamtttss— been moving away from supporting the families for— been moving away from supporting the families for 13— been moving away from supporting the families for 13 years. and tts— the families for 13 years. and tt-s mot— the families for 13 years. and it's not brought— the families for 13 years. and it's not brought them any success. i suppose people see tbts— success. i suppose people see this sometimes— success. i suppose people see this sometimes as— success. i suppose people see this sometimes as hypocrisy. you— this sometimes as hypocrisy. you mow.— this sometimes as hypocrisy. you mow. ws— this sometimes as hypocrisy. you know, we could- this sometimes as hypocrisy. you know, we could go- this sometimes as hypocrisy. you know, we could go back to john major's campaign with his back to basics campaign about family at the time that family values at the time that he was having an affair with edwina these kind of edwina currie and these kind of things when they happen, i think it very sceptical things when they happen, i think it the very sceptical things when they happen, i think it the validityery sceptical things when they happen, i think it the validity of sceptical about the validity of politicians who are not practising what they're preaching. that's but practising what they're preaching . that's but to preaching. that's fine. but to or to— preaching. that's fine. but to or to tbsm— preaching. that's fine. but to or to tbsm but— preaching. that's fine. but to or to then put that- i t; that's fine. but to or to then put that value on to tbs— or to then put that value on to tbs asst— or to then put that value on to tbs asst ot— or to then put that value on to the rest of society— or to then put that value on to the rest of society because it tttm-t— the rest of society because it tttm-t-out— the rest of society because it didn't-outlhis- the rest of society because it didn't out his marriage. didn't work out in his marriage. to didn't work out in his marriage. to-tbat— didn't work out in his marriage. to-tbat .— didn't work out in his marriage. to-tbat , tbat— didn't work out in his marriage. to .that , that it— didn't work out in his marriage. to that , that it was to say that, that it was offensive _ to say that, that it was offensive support others in offensive to support others in tbsta—tts- offensive to support others in their—it's utterly. their marriages. it's utterly won-g — their marriages. it's utterly wrong. marriage is and families and— wrong. marriage is and families and the— wrong. marriage is and families and the family— wrong. marriage is and families and the family unit allows the next— and the family unit allows the next generation— and the family unit allows the next generation to thrive , next generation to thrive, allows— next generation to thrive, allows kids— next generation to thrive, allows kids to _ next generation to thrive, allows kids to flourish. and that-s— allows kids to flourish. and that-s what— allows kids to flourish. and that's what we're looking forward— that's what we're looking forward ro— that's what we're looking forward to in— that's what we're looking forward to in 30 years. in 40 year-— forward to in 30 years. in 40 year. and— forward to in 30 years. in 40 year. and so— forward to in 30 years. in 40 years. and 50 years, who are our porrrrcrrrs— years. and 50 years, who are our porrrrcrrrs or— years. and 50 years, who are our politicians of the— years. and 50 years, who are our politicians of the future? let's arrow— politicians of the future? let's allow _ bedrock i allow them the best bedrock to flourish— allow them the best bedrock to flourish . — allow them the best bedrock to flourish. lyou— allow them the best bedrock to flourish . .you think- allow them the best bedrock to flourish . flourish. do you think that this shows something shows that there is something going conservative going on within the conservative

party? times i've party? so many times when i've spoken conservative voters , spoken to conservative voters, they've me are they've said to me they are disillusioned with the current conservative party because they don't it is don't see that it is a conservative party anymore. now, i'm who's ever voted i'm not someone who's ever voted conservative, but if were conservative, but if i were someone voting someone who was voting conservative, i expect conservative, i would expect them you them to be conservative. you would expect them to be conservative. and it's bizarre rrror— conservative. and it's bizarre that—beingl that these values are being orrorooo— that these values are being silenced .that- that these values are being silenced that conservatives silenced and that conservatives are silenced and that conservatives oroow—n- silenced and that conservatives oroow—n ro- silenced and that conservatives ore—now ro bel are too awkward. now to be ooroowono— are too awkward. now to be conservative. - do - are too awkward. now to be conservative. do that is conservative. but to do that is to, conservative. but to do that is rolwon-n— conservative. but to do that is to,.you'll pardon— conservative. but to do that is to, you'll pardon the french, to, if you'll pardon the french, wo-n— to, if you'll pardon the french, we'll conservatives we'll put the conservatives to nou— we'll put the conservatives to hell- hancock. _ we'll put the conservatives to hell- hancock. .we - hell in a hancock. if we are going— hell in a hancock. if we are gorrg ro— hell in a hancock. if we are going to .forward- hell in a hancock. if we are going to forward just hell in a hancock. if we are- going to .forward .just not going to go forward and just not suppor— going to go forward and just not supporr anv— going to go forward and just not supporr any or— going to go forward and just not support any of the— going to go forward and just not support any of the conservative wouoor— support any of the conservative wouoor nor— support any of the conservative values that voters— support any of the conservative values that voters are looking for-ooorow— values that voters are looking for-ooorow ro- values that voters are looking for society is looking for and the society is looking for.— for and the society is looking for. — for and the society is looking for. so— for and the society is looking for. so no— for and the society is looking for. so do you— for and the society is looking for. so do you think- for and the society is looking for. r::::r “

example, the conservative party, there are main gist or supporting families. right now is just supporting families. right now rs just gorrrrg— supporting families. right now is just getting women- g c right now is just getting women back into the workplace as soon as pooonno— the workplace as soon as possible -work. - the workplace as soon as- possible -work.-that's possible after work. and that's noo— possible after work. and that's fine—al possible after work. and that's' noe—o nor fine for some women, but a lot of fine for some women, but a lot or-wowo— fine for some women, but a lot of-would like- fine for some women, but a lot of-would like to- fine for some women, but a lot of would like to have more of women would like to have more nmo— of women would like to have more nmo ro— of women would like to have more nmo ro nwoor— of women would like to have more time to invest in— of women would like to have more time to invest in their children arro— time to invest in their children oro—rrorl time to invest in their children- oro—nror wono time to invest in their children an

britain. so to kind of segway nim— britain. so to kind of segway nm arro— britain. so to kind of segway nm and say— britain. so to kind of segway him and say that anyone who supporro— him and say that anyone who supporro noo— him and say that anyone who supports the family is ultimately— supports the family is ultimately saying something very controversial— ultimately saying something very controversial isn't— ultimately saying something very controversial isn't fair. it's a wow— controversial isn't fair. it's a vow nooro— controversial isn't fair. it's a very basic and— controversial isn't fair. it's a very basic and good view. are you— very basic and good view. are you ouggoorrrg— very basic and good view. are you suggesting that someone has rower— you suggesting that someone has rower-our— you suggesting that someone has rower-our or— you suggesting that someone has taken out of context? n taken this out of context? does nor— taken this out of context? does rnor rappor— taken this out of context? does rnor happen a— taken this out of context? does that happen a lot— taken this out of context? does that happen a lot then, when it comes it comes to comes to when it comes to politics, better than politics, maybe know better than me, but what are you me, but but what are you suggesting ? it's very it's very suggesting? it's very it's very interesting, isn't it, that this particular conference seems to have lot of lot have caused a lot of a lot of fuss also read fuss. but also it's i've read a lot of conservative voters saying at last people are expressing conservative values . expressing conservative values. so could this be a moment where the conservative party shifts where having people being where you're having people being a bit open their a bit more open about their their viewpoints? i we're their viewpoints? i think we're oorroorrrg— their viewpoints? i think we're connecting-lot- their viewpoints? i think we're connecting-lot of. their viewpoints? i think we'rei connecting-lot of the connecting to what a lot of the oorooworwo— connecting to what a lot of the conservative voters _ connecting to what a lot of the conservative voters and also nor— conservative voters and also just-people- conservative voters and also just-people that- conservative voters and also just people that are just regular people that are sowrg— saying these aren't a lot of poopro— saying these aren't a lot of poopro agree— saying these aren't a lot of people agree that free speech is a common _value,- people agree that free speech is a common-value, a- people agree that free speech is a common value, a lot of a common good value, a lot of poopro— a common good value, a lot of poopro agree— a common good value, a lot of people agree-that.- a common good value, a lot of people agree that. freedom people agree with that. freedom of nrougrrr— people agree with that. freedom of nrougrrr ro— people agree with that. freedom or nrorgrrr is o— people agree with that. freedom of thought is a common good wowe— of thought is a common good owe—noo- of thought is a common goodi value—has gone value in this country has gone roo— value in this country has gone roo-orrororrg— too far in silencing those rhinos.— too far in silencing those rhinos-_oooprol too far in silencing those things-people to things. a lot of people want to see—mi things. a lot of people want to- oer—r rrro see more support to women in the mww— see more support to women in the form-nor— family. these are not controversial things, but now-wo— controversial things, but they've been— controversial things, but they've been and controversial things, but they've been-and an they've been hushed and made an awkward—aral awkward subject to go near. and i awkward subject to go near. and r—rooroo- i think a lot of those topics were brought— i think a lot of those topics were brought different

were brought up by different speakers— were brought up by different speakers with— were brought up by different speakers with different views, arro— speakers with different views, woo—noose i and it's good to get those conversations— and it's good to get those- conversations—airing conversations started and airing and—mean, that's' and discussed. i mean, that's very interesting you very interesting that you mentioned the freedom of speech idea, because i see increasingly people certain people are saying that certain opinions beyond opinions are so far beyond the pale, often these opinions pale, but often these opinions are opinions that most people hold or that five years ago, virtually everyone held. and that's interesting. you that's quite interesting. you know, gay person, i don't know, as a gay person, i don't feel particularly threatened by people gay people who don't approve of gay marriage. i say, let's have the conversation. fine. conversation. it's fine. you know, that as a know, why can't we do that as a society absolutely. society? yeah, absolutely. aooowrow— society? yeah, absolutely. absolutely. _come i f cur? yeah, absolutely. absolutely. come to it society? yeah, absolutely.- absolutely. _come to it as absolutely. and i come to it as rm— absolutely. and i come to it as no orror— absolutely. and i come to it as i'm often talking— absolutely. and i come to it as i'm often talking about the ooorrrorr— i'm often talking about the onornorr—woul i'm often talking about the. abortion—you look abortion issue. and if you look across_actually,. across our country, actually, rero— across our country, actually, row-women — across our country, actually, 70%.women-likel across our country, actually, 70% women like to across our country, actually,- 70%.women-like to see 70% of women would like to see the 70% of women would like to see we ooorrrorr— 70% of women would like to see the abortion rate— 70% of women would like to see the abortion rate in— 70% of women would like to see the abortion rate in our oowrrrw— the abortion rate in our country, which is 200,000 noworoo. — country, which is 200,000 lowered. and _ country, which is 200,000 lowered. and the gestational nimro— lowered. and the gestational limit, which— lowered. and the gestational limit, which is— lowered. and the gestational limit, which is 24 weeks or six norris:— limit, which is 24 weeks or six norris: como— limit, which is 24 weeks or six months, come towards a more european— months, come towards a more european standard , which is european standard, which is nour— european standard, which is now noree— european standard, which is about three months or 15 weeks. so-conversations- about three months or 15 weeks. so conversations that so these are conversations that ooroog— so these are conversations that average - actually- so these are conversations that average actually have average people actually have a more-opinion- average people actually have a more opinion about more nuanced opinion about than wore—noo- we're allowed to have in the media.— we're allowed to have in the media. our— we're allowed to have in the media. but the— we're allowed to have in the media. but the media so often pororrooo— media. but the media so often polarises issues— media. but the media so often polarises issues has polarises issues and has us rowing— polarises issues and has us talking extremes that we talking at extremes that we don-r— talking at extremes that we oor-r gor— talking at extremes that we oorrr oer ro— talking at extremes that we don't get to the— talking at extremes that we don't get to the nuanced detail of don't get to the nuanced detail or-orro— don't get to the nuanced detail or-oroioor-r- don't get to the nuanced detail. of-and.don't-that of policy and we don't have that onnnw— of policy and we don't have that ability-forward- of policy and we don't have that ability-forward .- of policy and we don't have that ability forward . and. ability to move forward. and. now — ability to move forward. and. now -r— ability to move forward. and. okay. _i think- ability to move forward. and.- okay. _i think absolutely okay. well, i think absolutely discussions difficult discussions about difficult

subjects are important. hopefully that's we in hopefully that's what we do in this but mcclatchey, this show. but lois mcclatchey, thanks joining me thanks very much for joining me . and after the break, on free speech nation, we'll be discussing, discussing the dangers of exercising free speech after a 21 year old terrorist just this week pleaded guilty to plotting to kill a preacher at hyde park's speakers corner. don't go away .

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nwrooow .— conversation. join me monday to thursday . welcome— f" join me monday to thursday . welcome back to free thursday. welcome back to free speech— thursday. welcome back to free speech narrow— thursday. welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew nowe— speech nation with me andrew oowo nio— speech nation with me andrew doyle this week— speech nation with me andrew doyle this week saw an example of doyle this week saw an example or no— doyle this week saw an example of rho dangero— doyle this week saw an example of the dangers that people face when— of the dangers that people face when rhow— of the dangers that people face when they exercise their right to when they exercise their right ro hoe — when they exercise their right to free speech. _ when they exercise their right to free speech. ' i?" cc to free speech. a 21 year old terrorist admits to plotting a gun attack to kill an ex—muslim who became a christian preacher at speakers corner in london's hyde park. edward little planned to buy a gun to kill hatun tash at the public speaking area. he was on his way into london in a taxi with thousands of pounds in cash when he was stopped and arrested last september. for steve a regular at steve chilcott is a regular at speakers corner and he joins me now. steve welcome to the show. so this is a very disturbing show. — so this is a very disturbing story- can— so this is a very disturbing story- can you— so this is a very disturbing story. can you tell- so this is a very disturbing story. cr?" c»; so this is a very disturbing story. cr?" g5 c story. can you tell us a bit about hatun tash, who she is and what she does? she appears at speaker's corner quite a lot. sure. she's actually sure. so she's actually an ex—muslim from turkey. she converted .christiana- ex—muslim from turkey. she converted-christiana .- she converted christiana . she converted to christiana. she noo— converted to christiana. she nod turkey— converted to christiana. she fled turkey for— converted to christiana. she fled turkey for reasons of persecution _ fled turkey for reasons of persecution and came to britain . she-o— persecution and came to britain . she-o noon— persecution and came to britain . she-o hoon o— persecution and came to britain . she's been a regular speaker , . she's been a regular speaker, a . she's been a regular speaker, o preacher— . she's been a regular speaker, o prooohor or— . she's been a regular speaker, a preacher at speakers corner for he— a preacher at speakers corner for he hoor— a preacher at speakers corner for the last ten _ a preacher at speakers corner for the last ten years. she's a prowooorwo— for the last ten years. she's a provocative lady.— for the last ten years. she's a provocative lady. she does many rhinos— provocative lady. she does many rhrngo rhor—

provocative lady. she does many things that are— provocative lady. she does many things that are very provocative, such as wearing chorho— provocative, such as wearing charlie hebdo _ provocative, such as wearing charlie hebdo cartoons on hert shin.— charlie hebdo cartoons on hert ohrn. nos:— charlie hebdo cartoons on hert shirt. yes, arriving— charlie hebdo cartoons on hert shirt. yes, arriving with a copy of rho— shirt. yes, arriving with a copy of rho onron— shirt. yes, arriving with a copy of the quran with— shirt. yes, arriving with a copy of the quran with holes drilled inro— of the quran with holes drilled no n— of the quran with holes drilled no n .— of the quran with holes drilled no n . ano— of the quran with holes drilled into it . and her— of the quran with holes drilled into it . and her basis for doing into it. and her basis for doing rhor— into it. and her basis for doing ho ho— into it. and her basis for doing ho ho rhor— into it. and her basis for doing that is that she— into it. and her basis for doing that is that she believes that ho— that is that she believes that the narrative— that is that she believes that the narrative of— that is that she believes that the narrative of islam is full of the narrative of islam is full or horos— the narrative of islam is full or horoo :— the narrative of islam is full of holes , that— the narrative of islam is full of holes , that there is not one of holes, that there is not one shore— of holes, that there is not one single onron— of holes, that there is not one single owon — of holes, that there is not one single quran so— of holes, that there is not one single quran f single quran so but, of course, you would expect controversial people at speakers corner. the purpose of that that area is that anything can be said. of course. of course. as the legal as he— course. of course. as the legal as he inogoo— course. of course. as the legal as the judges have— course. of course. as the legal as the judges have stated , you as the judges have stated, you know:— as the judges have stated, you know, freedom _ as the judges have stated, you know, freedom of— as the judges have stated, you know, freedom of speech does not exhor— know, freedom of speech does not oxhr whhonr— know, freedom of speech does not exist without the _ know, freedom of speech does not exist without the right to be offensive— exist without the right to be offensive .and _ exist without the right to be offensive ' c cc

owow. — the neck. she pushed his knife owow. sno— the neck. she pushed his knife away- she woo— the neck. she pushed his knife away. she was cut— the neck. she pushed his knife away. she was cut badly on the whor— away. she was cut badly on the wish onw— away. she was cut badly on the wish and h— away. she was cut badly on the wrist and in the— away. she was cut badly on the wrist and in the forehead. that heron— wrist and in the forehead. that heron :— wrist and in the forehead. that peron : rhe— wrist and in the forehead. that person , the police, were present person, the police, were present for her— person, the police, were present for that - attack. - person, the police, were present for that - attack. the - for that second attack. the peron— for that second attack. the person was never caught. the pore— person was never caught. the pohee-preeenr- person was never caught. the police-present .- person was never caught. the police present . they chased police were present. they chased oner— police were present. they chased her-henn- police were present. they chased after-didn't. they- after him. they didn't. they hon-r—rhew- after him. they didn't. theyi didn't—they never didn't catch him. they never nenrhreo— didn't catch him. they never identified allegedly. they never nenrhreo— identified allegedly. they never identified _am - identified who he was. am i nonr— identified who he was. am i right h— identified who he was. am i right in thinking that she was arrested—been. arrested and she has been arrested— arrested and she has been arrested on— arrested and she has been arrested on two- arrested and she has been arrested on two occasions and one— arrested on two occasions and one oernon— arrested on two occasions and she actually sued— arrested on two occasions and she actually sued the metropolitan police force successfully— metropolitan police force successfully and was actually ewen— successfully and was actually gwen eroooo— successfully and was actually given £10,000 compensation. nehr— given £10,000 compensation. nehr. non— given £10,000 compensation. right. now eee— given £10,000 compensation. right. you see, this to me is pure— right. you see, this to me is quite shocking— right. you see, this to me is quite shocking insofar as if i go ro— quite shocking insofar as if i go to speaker's— quite shocking insofar as if i go to speaker's corner, i expect to hear— go to speaker's corner, i expect to hear rhines— go to speaker's corner, i expect to hear things that— go to speaker's corner, i expect to hear things that i vehemently disagree— to hear things that i vehemently oreogree whh— to hear things that i vehemently theatre with :— to hear things that i vehemently disagree with , but— to hear things that i vehemently disagree with , but celebrate to hear things that i vehemently disatbecause , but celebrate to hear things that i vehemently disatbecause theit celebrate to hear things that i vehemently disatbecause the whole ebrate to hear things that i vehemently disatbecause the whole pointt to hear things that i vehemently disatbecause the whole point of that because the whole point of speakers— that because the whole point of speaker's corner— that because the whole point of speaker's corner is it is . 'c speaker's corner is it is. and no— speaker's corner is it is. and it's increasingly— speaker's corner is it is. and it's increasingly in this day and free speech is and age where free speech is under this is like under threat. this is like a haven where can go and hear haven where you can go and hear shocking, , in fact, shocking, offensive, in fact, views. right? the idea that this is being criminalised, where are the police in all this? you know, you go there regularly the police in all this? you know, week. 0 there regularly the police in all this? you know, week. are ere regularly the police in all this? you know, week. are the 'egularly the police in all this? you know, week. are the police ly the police in all this? you know, week. are the police doing every week. are the police doing their job? every week. are the police doing theirjob? no ultimately, their job? no ultimately, wherew— theirjob? no ultimately, ultimately, no.- , nc ultimately, ultimately, no. how can i deny there— ultimately, no. how can i deny here view— ultimately, no. how can i deny that? well, this— ultimately, no. how can i deny that? well, this is— ultimately, no. how can i deny that? well, this is your opinion . so— that? well, this is your opinion . so there— that? well, this is your opinion . so there are—

that? well, this is your opinion . so there are some very good ohreere— . so there are some very good officers there— . so there are some very good officers there that— . so there are some very good officers there that try to do a ven— officers there that try to do a very good— officers there that try to do a very good too. — officers there that try to do a very good job. however, there are very good job. however, there other— very good job. however, there are other officers— very good job. however, there are other officers there that do are other officers there that do o wen— are other officers there that do a very appalling— are other officers there that do a very appalling job. i pereonon— a very appalling job. i personally have put in a eonprohr— personally have put in a complaint against one officer, whreh— complaint against one officer, whreh woe— complaint against one officer, which was investigated and it nw— which was investigated and it was my complaint was actually ephem— was my complaint was actually npheno .— was my complaint was actually nphero . nee:— was my complaint was actually upheld . yes, there are some upheld. yes, there are some opponrng— upheld. yes, there are some appalling examples of police operating— appalling examples of police opening or— appalling examples of police operating at speaker's corner on occasions . well,— operating at speaker's corner on occasions . well, it— operating at speaker's corner on occasions . c occasions. well, it seems quite variable. so i saw a video of a let women speak event there which was quite well policed and, you know, the sort of more aggressive activists were being kept at a distance . but i also kept at a distance. but i also saw footage posted by graham linehan where women's rights campaigners were being kettled by a group of trans rights activists and the police were walking away. well precisely so that was kelly j. keane . posey that was kelly j. keane. posey horren— that was kelly j. keane. posey rower: who— that was kelly j. keane. posey parker, who - been - keane. posey parker, who been going to parker, who has been going to speakers— parker, who has been going to speaker's corner— parker, who has been going to speaker's corner for 2 or 3 ween.— speaker's corner for 2 or 3 were peer— speaker's corner for 2 or 3 years. last sunday of the month. ano— years. last sunday of the month. one with— years. last sunday of the month. one with our— years. last sunday of the month. and with out any— years. last sunday of the month. and with out any problem whatsoever. _ and with out any problem whatsoever. but in recent rnonrhe— whatsoever. but in recent months, it's— whatsoever. but in recent months, it's got the attention of months, it's got the attention or he— months, it's got the attention or the hone— months, it's got the attention of the trans rights activists one— of the trans rights activists one he— of the trans rights activists and the second— of the trans rights activists and the second occasion that you refer— and the second occasion that you refer ro— and the second occasion that you

refer fo we— and the second occasion that you refer to was actually the one of the refer to was actually the one of he firef— refer to was actually the one of the first where _ refer to was actually the one of the first where there was frontie— the first where there was trouble and— the first where there was trouble and the police literally wowed— trouble and the police literally wofhef owow— trouble and the police literally walked away as— trouble and the police literally walked away as graham's video ehowef— walked away as graham's video ehowef rhe— walked away as graham's video showed the subsequent week, a lot showed the subsequent week, a or of— showed the subsequent week, a or of ne— showed the subsequent week, a lot of us spoke— showed the subsequent week, a lot of us spoke to— showed the subsequent week, a lot of us spoke to the police, wrofe— lot of us spoke to the police, wrofe fo— lot of us spoke to the police, wrofe fo rhe— lot of us spoke to the police, wrote to the police , wrote to wrote to the police, wrote to he— wrote to the police, wrote to he horne— wrote to the police, wrote to the home secretary, wrote to the commissioner of— the home secretary, wrote to the commissioner of the metropolitan rohee— commissioner of the metropolitan rohee fore — commissioner of the metropolitan police force. there— commissioner of the metropolitan police force. there was a lot of preeewe-fhe— police force. there was a lot of pressure _the police - police force. there was a lot of pressure the police and pressure put on the police and hen— pressure put on the police and hen rhe— pressure put on the police and then the subsequent was then the subsequent week was when— then the subsequent week was when-o— then the subsequent week was when-o werw- then the subsequent week was when-o verw goof- then the subsequent week was when a very good firm when we saw a very good firm ponee— when we saw a very good firm pohee reoeffon— when we saw a very good firm police reaction, putting a firm the— police reaction, putting a firm line between _ police reaction, putting a firm line between the— police reaction, putting a firm line between the protesters and ner— line between the protesters and ner ronee— line between the protesters and kelly jones protesters . kelly jones protesters. so what woofe— kelly jones protesters. so what wonhf won— kelly jones protesters. so what wonhf won sayr— kelly jones protesters. so what would you say, though, when people critics will say, well, look, these are really offensive views . why not just if it's views. why not just if it's going to cause this kind of trouble, if it's going to antagonise people to the extent that well, that they will attack, well, why bother? well, let's bother? why bother? well, let's foee — bother? why bother? well, let's efoee—newe- bother? why bother? well, let's close. _ news let's| close. let's close gb news let's efoee— close. let's close gb news let's close _corner. if- close. let's close gb news let's close corner. if people close speakers corner. if people eonnof— close speakers corner. if people eonnof eow— close speakers corner. if people cannot say what— close speakers corner. if people cannot say what they want to say wffhfn — cannot say what they want to say wffhfn fhe — cannot say what they want to say within the law,— cannot say what they want to say within the law, however offenewe— within the law, however offensive it— within the law, however offensive it might be to certain fnffwfnofe— offensive it might be to certain fnffwfnofe :— offensive it might be to certain individuals , we— offensive it might be to certain individuals , we may as well give individuals, we may as well give up. individuals, we may as well give np. ano— individuals, we may as well give up. and oe— individuals, we may as well give up. and oe r— individuals, we may as well give up. and as i said— individuals, we may as well give up. and as i said before, it's off— up. and as i said before, it's all-protected- up. and as i said before, it's all-protected by- up. and as i said before, it's all protected by section all legally protected by section 29 all legally protected by section oe r— all legally protected by section oo r of— all legally protected by section oo r of he— all legally protected by section 29 j of the public— all legally protected by section 29 j of the public order act eopnewa— 29 j of the public order act explicitly states— 29 j of the public order act explicitly states that you can rfffenfe: — explicitly states that you can ridicule, that— explicitly states that you can ridicule, that you . can you

ridicule, that you. can you know:— ridicule, that you. can you know: won— ridicule, that you. can you know, you can— ridicule, that you. can you know, you can say, as much as won— know, you can say, as much as won wonf— know, you can say, as much as won wonr ogofnef— know, you can say, as much as you want against anyone's rehefon— you want against anyone's rehefon or— you want against anyone's religion or their religious proeffeee.— religion or their religious practises. it's— religion or their religious practises. it's explicitly profeefef— practises. it's explicitly protected in— practises. it's explicitly protected in law . practises. it's explicitly- protected in law . but look, we protected in law. but look, we sorr— protected in law. but look, we sort of lost the battle a bit on this at the time of the fatwa against salman rushdie , in my against salman rushdie, in my view, insofar as i think people in the west didn't stand up sufficiently to the idea that a foreign power can declare that one of our citizens should be killed and people were having debates maybe he debates saying, well, maybe he shouldn't the book shouldn't have written the book and this kind of thing. but what shouldn't have written the book and quite ind of thing. but what shouldn't have written the book and quite heartening]. but what shouldn't have written the book and quite heartening is3ut what shouldn't have written the book and quite heartening is afterhat shouldn't have written the book and quite heartening is after he was quite heartening is after he was quite heartening is after he was attacked in that horrific attack and you to speakers attack and you went to speakers corner that and read attack and you went to speakers cornetheat and read attack and you went to speakers cornethe satanic and read attack and you went to speakers cornethe satanic ancfrom from the satanic verses from salman novel salman rushdie's brilliant novel . and course, that's a . and of course, that's a provocative thing to it provocative thing to do. but it shouldn't should no, shouldn't be, should it? no, absolutely not. absolutely not. and— absolutely not. absolutely not. and again— absolutely not. absolutely not. and oeofn .— absolutely not. absolutely not. one oeofn , ff— absolutely not. absolutely not. and again , it comes— ecgyr absolutely not. and again , it comes down to if and again, it comes down to if we reepeef— and again, it comes down to if we reepeef rhe— and again, it comes down to if we respect the freedom that we have — we respect the freedom that we have h— we respect the freedom that we have in whor— we respect the freedom that we have in what we— we respect the freedom that we have in what we can say in this oopnfrw— have in what we can say in this eonnfrw, we— have in what we can say in this country, we must— have in what we can say in this country, we must fight for it. for— country, we must fight for it. for know,— country, we must fight for it. you know, however , we may you know, however, we may ffeoeree— you know, however, we may disagree with— you know, however, we may disagree with with what's being efofef— disagree with with what's being efofef ow— disagree with with what's being stated now, how— disagree with with what's being stated now, how does it work if epeohere— stated now, how does it work if speakers corner— stated now, how does it work if speakers corner it's every weekend— speakers corner it's every weekend he— speakers corner it's every weekend is it— speakers corner it's every weekend is it so it's every sunday— weekend is it so it's every ennfow-on- weekend is it so it's every sundow-on o- weekend is it so it's every sunday on a sunday weekend is it so it's every- sunday-on a sunday starts

sunday always on a sunday starts around— sunday always on a sunday starts oronnf nfffow— sunday always on a sunday starts oronnf rnfffow .— sunday always on a sunday starts around midday , goes on till around midday, goes on till offer— around midday, goes on till offer rhe— around midday, goes on till after the sun— around midday, goes on till after the sun has gone down on one— after the sun has gone down on one ffe— after the sun has gone down on one he for— after the sun has gone down on and it's for 150— after the sun has gone down on and it's for 150 years it eforfef— and it's for 150 years it started because where we young peopfe— started because where we young peopfe where — started because where we young peopfe where we— started because where we young people where we young criminals and fhew— people where we young criminals and fhew wee— people where we young criminals and they were given their last opporfnnffw— and they were given their last opporfnnffw fo— and they were given their last opportunity to say what they wonfef— opportunity to say what they wonfef fo — opportunity to say what they wanted to say— opportunity to say what they wanted to say when we stopped exeenffne— wanted to say when we stopped executing people _ wanted to say when we stopped executing people ,_ wanted to say when we stopped executing people , the tradition executing people, the tradition eonffnnef. — executing people, the tradition continued. so _ executing people, the tradition continued. so it's— executing people, the tradition continued. so it's very, very frnporfonf— continued. so it's very, very frnporfonf-of- continued. so it's very, very important-of our- continued. so it's very, very important of our tapestry important part of our tapestry of our— important part of our tapestry of hfeforw— important part of our tapestry of our history been going on for 150 of our history been going on for foo-ano— of our history been going on for 150-and anyone- of our history been going on for 150 and anyone can go and 150 years. and anyone can go and epeoh— 150 years. and anyone can go and epeoh on— 150 years. and anyone can go and epeoh on onw— 150 years. and anyone can go and speak on any subject. unfortunately in recent times it has unfortunately in recent times it he been— unfortunately in recent times it he been verw— unfortunately in recent times it has been very taken over by renefon— has been very taken over by neutron. fee— has been very taken over by religion. yes which is why i ofwowe— religion. yes which is why i always encourage anyone of any viewpoint— always encourage anyone of any wewpofnf, onw— always encourage anyone of any viewpoint, any belief, any any anv— viewpoint, any belief, any any onw pohffeof— viewpoint, any belief, any any any political stance to come and fhefr— any political stance to come and use their opportunity at speaker-e— use their opportunity at speaker's corner. ' c cc: speaker's corner. and do you ever get put off by the intimations of violence and the threats and that kind of thing? is is there any is there anything is there any point just is there anything is there any poiiworth just is there anything is there any poiiworth it? just is there anything is there any poiiworth it? no just is there anything is there any poiiworth it? no ultimately, st not worth it? no ultimately, i don't. imean, not worth it? no ultimately, i don't. i mean, however , however don't. i mean, however, however rfehw— don't. i mean, however, however rfehw won— don't. i mean, however, however rfehw won rnfphf— don't. i mean, however, however risky you might think— cc::�* c i mean, however, however risky you might think it cc“ c i mean, however, however risky you might think it might be risky you might think it might he h— risky you might think it might he in ferme— risky you might think it might be in terms of— risky you might think it might be in terms of career , in terms be in terms of career, in terms of phwefeof— be in terms of career, in terms of physical safety— be in terms of career, in terms of physical safety ,_ be in terms of career, in terms of physical safety , i just think of physical safety, i just think it's of physical safety, i just think he one— of physical safety, i just think he of— of physical safety, i just think it's one of those— of physical safety, i just think it's one of those core core

henefffe— it's one of those core core benefits of _ it's one of those core core benefits of our- it's one of those core core benefits of our society that we have — benefits of our society that we have fo — benefits of our society that we have fo keep— benefits of our society that we have to keep going. i say speaker-e— have to keep going. i say speaker's corner is the jewel of our speaker's corner is the jewel of free— speaker's corner is the jewel of our free speech— speaker's corner is the jewel of our free speech situation in he— our free speech situation in fhfe eonnfrw— our free speech situation in fhfe eonnfrw .— our free speech situation in this country , and it's this country, and it's a microcosm of- this country, and it's a microcosm of the world, both in fenne— microcosm of the world, both in ferne of— microcosm of the world, both in ferne of fhe— microcosm of the world, both in terms of the pluses and the negofwee. — terms of the pluses and the negatives. you— terms of the pluses and the negatives. you know, we see the worth-e— negatives. you know, we see the world's problems— negatives. you know, we see the world's problems sometimes nferon— world's problems sometimes literally fall— world's problems sometimes literally fall out— world's problems sometimes literally fall out at speaker's corner— literally fall out at speaker's corner .— literally fall out at speaker's c , huf— literally fall out at speaker's corner , but-also - literally fall out at speaker's corner , but also see that, corner, but we also see that, you— corner, but we also see that, won know— corner, but we also see that, won hnow .— corner, but we also see that, won hnow leoof- corner, but we also see that, you know , good things the you know, the good things of the worth— you know, the good things of the worth-our— you know, the good things of the world _out there _ you know, the good things of the world-out there in- you know, the good things of the world out there in terms of world come out there in terms of peopfe— world come out there in terms of people-different— people from different backgrounds, people from different backgrour different people from different backgrourdifferent wars going societies, different wars going on around the— societies, different wars going on around the world. it is all fehofef— on around the world. it is all debated there— on around the world. it is all debated there . _ on around the world. it is all debated there . c �*vwr�*c;cc debated there. fantastic. well, steve chilcott , more power to steve chilcott, more power to your elbow. thanks very much very much . coming up in the very much. coming up in the final part of free speech nation p0p final part of free speech nation popicon final part of free speech nation pop icon simply red enters the political arena . plus, more political arena. plus, more madness from the world of recruitment. it's almost time for social sensation. see you in a moment . for social sensation. see you in a moment. closer.

welcome back to the final part of free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so it's time for social sensations. the part of the show we devote to the good , the show we devote to the good, bad and often ugly world of social media. so first up this week, there's a tweet subsequently deleted from the hitmakers simply red. let's have a look at the tweet . this is a look at the tweet. this is what they say the conservative party are now fascists, literally arnie. britain is governed by fascist scum. scum this is a fight that decent people in this country must not lose . these are the lyrics to lose. these are the lyrics to one of their b—sides. lose. these are the lyrics to one of their b—sides . but i love one of their b—sides. but i love the word literally is literally the word literally is literally the most misused word in the engush the most misused word in the english language at the moment, isn't it? you know, literally fascist. what do you make of that, josh? they are not nferon— that, josh? they are not literally fascists. - �* they are not literally fascists. they are nferon— literally fascists. they are literally rubbish . literally rubbish. but that's your— literally rubbish. but that's your opinion. john that's an opinion which i think the country will up pretty country will back up pretty soon. but but the misuse of the term fascist has is a problem,

isn't it? even when it comes from simply red. yeah. and yeah, that , yeah. from simply red. yeah. and yeah, that , weoh. fhof— from simply red. yeah. and yeah, that , yeah. that level— from simply red. yeah. and yeah, that , yeah. that level of- ”cc “cc“ and yeah, that, yeah. that level of it's tref— that, yeah. that level of it's tnef ffe— that, yeah. that level of it's just it's unnecessary. yes there are just it's unnecessary. yes there fore— just it's unnecessary. yes there fofe of— just it's unnecessary. yes there are lots of things— just it's unnecessary. yes there are lots of things to criticise fhe— are lots of things to criticise fhe forw— are lots of things to criticise the tory government for accusing fhern — the tory government for accusing hem of— the tory government for accusing them of fascism— the tory government for accusing them of fascism i— the tory government for accusing them of fascism i don't believe is them of fascism i don't believe he up— them of fascism i don't believe he up there. — them of fascism i don't believe he up there. rf— them of fascism i don't believe is up there. it has— them of fascism i don't believe is up there. it has a- them of fascism i don't believe is up there. c cg is up there. it has a very specific meaning doesn't it. chris skudder fascism is from a very particular period , the very particular period, the militaristic, crushing of opposition. the idea of a one party state putting people into gulags, all of this sort of stuff . this gulags, all of this sort of stuff. this is gulags, all of this sort of stuff . this is not what the stuff. this is not what the tories are doing at the moment because i noticed with simply red, that then because i noticed with simply red,after that then because i noticed with simply red, after they that then because i noticed with simply red,after they tweeted then because i noticed with simply red,after they tweeted aboutien just after they tweeted about their concert that's going their new concert that's going online, new album, and in a online, the new album, and in a fascist state, that probably wouldn't at fascist state, that probably woulpoint, at fascist state, that probably woulpoint, if at fascist state, that probably woulpoint, if you at fascist state, that probably woulpoint, if you criticise at fascist state, that probably woulpoint, if you criticise the at that point, if you criticise the government, they'd be like, you can't mate. can't sell any albums, mate. look, absolutely red look, absolutely simply red wowe— look, absolutely simply red. would—allowed look, absolutely simply red- would_allowed if would not have been allowed if we—efofe. - would not have been allowed if we—efofelonfi we had a fascist state. no, and ffe— we had a fascist state. no, and ff-e—ereofeef- it's one of the greatest orenrnenfe— it's one of the greatest. arguments,-for arguments, obviously, for a feeder— arguments, obviously, for a foeefef .— arguments, obviously, for a fascist . state— arguments, obviously, for a fascist . state yeah , calm down, fascist. state yeah, calm down, nfeh — fascist. state yeah, calm down, nfeh r— fascist. state yeah, calm down, nfeh r neon— fascist. state yeah, calm down, nfeh r .— fascist. state yeah, calm down, mick. i mean , they just start at mick. i mean, they just start at 11, mick. i mean, they just start at n, efon-f— mick. i mean, they just start at n, efon-f fhewf— mick. i mean, they just start at 11, don't they? and— mick. i mean, they just start at 11, don't they? and there's nowhere — 11, don't they? and there's nowhere fo — 11, don't they? and there's nowhere to go. �*vwr�*c;cc 11, don't they? and there's nowhere to go. well, no, but they're called simply red. if they're called simply red. if they were called simply blue,

then be fine. then it would be totally fine. they like this. they wouldn't feel like this. don't you think? i mean, there's also but also this. it's tiresome, but it's also quite an insult. i think, to people who've actually suffered fascist regimes, suffered under fascist regimes, isn't kind isn't it? i mean, it does kind of that little of minimise. is that a little bit? yeah yeah, absolutely. but noon— bit? yeah yeah, absolutely. but fooh foe— bit? yeah yeah, absolutely. but fooh r-we gor— bit? yeah yeah, absolutely. but look, i've got 4—4_ bit? yeah yeah, absolutely. but look, i've got 4—4 of- c?’ “cc“ yeah, absolutely. but look, i've got 4—4 of the kids, my— look, i've got 4—4 of the kids, rnw-howe— look, i've got 4—4 of the kids, rnw-hove ref— look, i've got 4—4 of the kids, my-have red hair,- look, i've got 4—4 of the kids, my have red hair, so have my kids have red hair, so i have to my kids have red hair, so i have fo freeh— my kids have red hair, so i have to tread carefully. _ my kids have red hair, so i have to tread carefully. 4c. cc? to tread carefully. you do? heonnee— to tread carefully. you do? because mick hucknall is their idol. he is the leader. yeah so yes, he, he's the / so yes, he, he's the grandfather fonowef— yes, he, he's the grandfather followed soon _ yes, he, he's the grandfather followed soon by. i just think it's so strange . although, you it's so strange. although, you know, we shouldn't be worried about when pop artists are doing all this kind remember like all this kind of i remember like little habit little mix have a habit of tweeting which tweeting about politics, which does always laugh does always make me laugh a little familiar with their little bit familiar with their account. oh, follow account. oh, you not follow fhern. — account. oh, you not follow- fhern. —when them. they tweeted about when them. they tweeted about when the bomb the government voted to bomb syria and they tweeted an apology people apology to the people of syria. and the people and of course, the people of syria have been relieved. and of course, the people of syri sure have been relieved. and of course, the people of syri sure they ve been relieved. and of course, the people of syri sure they ve be little ieved. and of course, the people of syri sure they ve belittle mix.i. i'm sure they were little mix. they that was they were were sorry. that was great. hearing the great. terrified hearing the words out of words little mix come out of your the two things words little mix come out of your doesn't the two things words little mix come out of your doesn't work,t two things words little mix come out of your doesn't work,t two it. ]s don't doesn't work, does it. yeah. level music yeah. that level of pop music enf— yeah. that level of pop music one—r— yeah. that level of pop music one—r only- yeah. that level of pop music and—i only followl yeah. that level of pop music- and_| only follow them and you. well i only follow them for politics. okay anyway, for the politics. okay anyway, so next up now got a bit so next up now we've got a bit of gb news exclusive. so this

of a gb news exclusive. so this was leaked to us a worker at of a gb news exclusive. so this wftseiked to us a worker at of a gb news exclusive. so this wftse 100 to us a worker at of a gb news exclusive. so this wftse 100 recruitment vorker at of a gb news exclusive. so this wftse 100 recruitment company. a ftse 100 recruitment company. this week. so the employee had tried to post a job advert using the words strong and dynamic. and this is what happened . so and this is what happened. so what you're seeing here is a screenshot that flashed up as the member of staff tried to list the job advert and it says the words strong and dynamic should not be used in the job description because they are male , macho western culture male, macho and western culture centred because of course they've never been any macho people from the east. genghis khan, of course, was famously camp . what do you think about camp. what do you think about this? where does that come from? where's that an error message? where— where's that an error message? wnere foee— where's that an error message? where does it.— where's that an error message? where does it. yeah, so it's an error message that— where does it. yeah, so it's an error message that comes when won— error message that comes when won frw— error message that comes when won frw enf— error message that comes when won frw one poef— error message that comes when you try and post the advert but neon— you try and post the advert but feoh huf— you try and post the advert but yeah, but that's— you try and post the advert but yeah, but that's the thing. ffe— yeah, but that's the thing. - fre—programmed yeah, but that's the thing. - it'sithe_programmed yeah, but that's the thing. it's the system programmed yeah, but that's the thing. - it'sithe system-preryommed yeah, but that's the thing. - it'sithe system .pr0ryou if ed into the system that if you if you say we're looking for someone strong and someone who's strong and dynamic, that's, dynamic, they'll say no, that's, that's can't that's offensive that you can't post. what you want somebody post. what if you want somebody errone— post. what if you want somebody efrone—wonfi strong and dynamic even to want someone and dynamic is someone strong and dynamic is part— someone strong and dynamic is. pen—pen someone strong and dynamic is. partlproblem. i-part someone strong and dynamic is. partlproblem. lam-part someone strong and dynamic is part i am. i'm of the problem. i am. i'm foohne—

of the problem. i am. i'm looking-somebody- i am. i'm looking somebody strong of the problem. i am. i'm- looking.somebody strong and looking for somebody strong and fwnornfe— looking for somebody strong and ownornfe enf— looking for somebody strong and dynamic, and that's just i dynamic, and that's just it. i eon-f— dynamic, and that's just it. i font—know- dynamic, and that's just it. i don't—know to don't know. i don't know what to don't know. i don't know what to do-information. - don't know. i don't know what to do-information. i- do with that information. i. neon—ant mean, it's so ridiculous. and foe— mean, it's so ridiculous. and foe-of— mean, it's so ridiculous. and i've of recruitment i've done lots of recruitment oeenf— i've done lots of recruitment agent battles— i've done lots of recruitment agent battles in— i've done lots of recruitment agent battles in my life. i've fearf— agent battles in my life. i've feen-fhen— agent battles in my life. i've dealt-them-i- agent battles in my life. i'vei dealt-them-i know dealt with them a lot. i know fhew-re— dealt with them a lot. i know fhew-re-for— dealt with them a lot. i know they're _for strong - they're looking for strong and fwnornfe— dynamic. that's what they always eow. — dynamic. that's what they always eow. fee. — dynamic. that's what they always eow. fee. ne— dynamic. that's what they always say. yes. it's-like- say. yes. it's almost like a cliche, isn't it? yes it means nofhfne— cliche, isn't it? yes it means homing-nne— cliche, isn't it? yes it means nothing-me. it— cliche, isn't it? yes it means nothing-me. it just- cc cc c c?’ f/c;5 it means nothing me. it just bounces nothing to me. it just bounces off—fhof-e- off me. but still, if that's whor— off me. but still, if that's whof-fo- off me. but still, if that's' what-to.for, off me. but still, if that's- what-to .for, then what they want to ask for, then weoh — what they want to ask for, then ween-whore — what they want to ask for, then ween-whore r— what they want to ask for, then yeah,-what? i don't- what they want to ask for, then yeah, what? cc c yeah, but what? i don't know what make of this either, what to make of this either, really, but idea that really, josh, but the idea that you offended or you would be offended by that or that to, is it that it would have to, how is it offensive, and dynamism? offensive, strong and dynamism? is you? well, i is it offensive to you? well, i mean, think is it offensive to you? well, i mean,ithink that— is it offensive to you? well, i. mean,ithink that-they've mean, i think that well, they've enfef— ended up going for someone a week— ended up going for someone a week one— ended up going for someone a weak and boring.— ended up going for someone a weak and boring. yeah maybe fhof-e— weak and boring. yeah maybe here-won.- weak and boring. yeah maybe. that's-want.-they that's what they want. and they got that's what they want. and they eof—fhe i that's what they want. and they. eof—fhe toh. got the wrong and i got the job. so got the wrong and i got the job. so here— got the wrong and i got the job. so there he.— got the wrong and i got the job. so that's it's, you— got the wrong and i got the job. so that's it's, you know- got the wrong and i got the job. so that's it's, you know ,- got the wrong and i got the job. so that's it's, you know, that's a silver lining to that. otherwise otherwise sad story. okay finally, just stop oil protesters have been back at it this week and it's fair to say some motorists have had enough. let's take a look . over rac

let's take a look. over rac. oh oh. now,i let's take a look. over rac. oh oh. now, i don't condone phwefeof— now, i don't condone physical violence whatsoever. i puffe— physical violence whatsoever. i quffe fhe— physical violence whatsoever. i quite the fhe— physical violence whatsoever. i quite like the bit— physical violence whatsoever. i quite like the bit when- physical violence whatsoever. i quite like the bit when they were grabbing the signs. i think pushing isn't right, but that's how suella braverman got the ticket . is that right? what do ticket. is that right? what do you make of it? i think that this does point, to this does point, though, to a very point, is very serious point, which is that people of it. you that people are sick of it. you know, just stop oil. know, when just stop oil. everyone's peaceful everyone's for peaceful protests. stop protests. but when you stop when you from you stop preventing people from going to work or sometimes getting , the various getting to hospital, the various tactics that they're using, of course people going get course people are going to get sick. yeah, people's sick. yeah, well, people's funerofe— sick. yeah, well, people's funerals-things- cc yeah, well, people's funerals things that sick. yeah, well, people's- funerals _things that they funerals or the things that they go funerals or the things that theyi eo—onf go about through their lives and ween— go about through their lives and weohlfooh— go about through their lives and yeah,.look, there's- go about through their lives and yeah, look, there's never an yeah, so look, there's never an excuse for violence. yeah except fhfe— excuse for violence. yeah except fhfe . — excuse for violence. yeah except fhfe . excepf— excuse for violence. yeah except fhfe. recepf p.— excuse for violence. yeah except this. except in this— excuse for violence. yeah except this . c :�* this. except in this moment. are you sick of them- this. except in this moment. are you sick of them as- this. c :�* are you sick of them as well? veoh. — are you sick of them as well? veoh. r— are you sick of them as well? veoh. rfhfnh— are you sick of them as well? yeah. i think it's— are you sick of them as well? yeah. i think it's ridiculous . i yeah. i think it's ridiculous. i think it's a shame he shoved somebody at the end. he ruined it, he was so close it, didn't he? he was so close to it. being a perfect louis schaefer doing his comedy gigs. it's funny. and it's like. it's so funny. and fhen—ff- it's like. it's so funny. and fhen—ff owowl it's like. it's so funny. and then—it away the then he'll chuck it away at the end.— then he'll chuck it away at the ene-lfhof-e— then he'll chuck it away at the end.ithat's-niche-

end. that's a very niche reference okay. so reference there. okay. okay. so let's move on now to the part of the talk through the show where we talk through your dilemmas. the show where we talk through your dilemmas . thanks your unfiltered dilemmas. thanks very sending in very much for sending in your problems . i very much for sending in your problems. i don't what you problems. i don't know what you do, anyway. do, but thank you anyway. our first from first dilemma has come from laura. laura says, my husband thinks diy expert. thinks he's a diy expert. recently he did a bit of garden renovation and won't stop asking me to look. look at it and praise his work. it's actually rubbish. i'd rather have paid someone to do it properly . how someone to do it properly. how do him? i think you just do i tell him? i think you just tell him, don't you? i mean. i think. think. think the key think. i think. i think the key to relationship is to a successful relationship is honesty, don't you think? well i wouldn't clue at this . wouldn't have a clue at this. this is why it's important this is why it's very important to this is why it's very important fo puf— this is why it's very important to put wow— this is why it's very important to put your children's drawings on-,_ to put your children's drawings on- fen-f— to put your children's drawings on- fen-f-fhof on the fridge, isn't it? so that refer— on the fridge, isn't it? so that refer-fhew— on the fridge, isn't it? so that later-they don't- on the fridge, isn't it? so that later they don't need later in life they don't need her— later in life they don't need fhefr—fo- later in life they don't need fhefr—fo he- their garden work to be frnpreeefne— their garden work to be impressing people ? i think she impressing people? i think she ehonff— impressing people? i think she ehonff ne.— impressing people? i think she ehonff the r— impressing people? i think she should lie. i think she should . should lie. i think she should. oh,— should lie. i think she should. on, reon— should lie. i think she should. oh, really? yeah.— should lie. i think she should. oh, really? yeah. he's lying . oh, really? yeah. he's lying. fhe— oh, really? yeah. he's lying. fhe new— oh, really? yeah. he's lying. fhe new fo— oh, really? yeah. he's lying. the new to o— oh, really? yeah. he's lying. the key to a successful- oh, really? yeah. he's lying. the key to a successful marriage ? yeah . no the key to a successful marriage ? yeah. no. what the key to a successful marriage ? yeah . no . what do you make of ? yeah. no. what do you make of he— ? yeah. no. what do you make of fhfe epeefffe— ? yeah. no. what do you make of this specific one?— ? yeah. no. what do you make of this specific one? _ ? yeah. no. what do you make of this specific one? i— ? yeah. no. what do you make of this specific one? i think- 7’ yeah. \c: what do you make of this specific one? “c this specific one? i think she should just have sex with him. show her appreciation. that's your— show her appreciation. that's your answer for—

show her appreciation. that's your answer for everything . josh your answer for everything. josh howie. no. shut up about it. do you what the you think that's what the garden's really about? is that what's me lady what's right? show me your lady garden. okay. oh josh,- what's right? ” cc 33" okay. oh josh, we've got garden. okay. oh josh, we've got frene— garden. okay. oh josh, we've got ffrne tref— garden. okay. oh josh, we've got ffrne tnef for— garden. okay. oh josh, we've got the tnef for o— garden. okay. oh josh, we've got time just for a final— garden. okay. oh josh, we've got time just for a final. - 33" okay. oh josh, we've got time just for a final . time just for a final. i'm sorry nhonf. — time just for a final. i'm sorry nhonf. fh— time just for a final. i'm sorry about. i'm sorry about this . about. i'm sorry about this. what is the matter with you ? about. i'm sorry about this. - what is the matter with you ? you what is the matter with you? you on he— what is the matter with you? you come on this show— what is the matter with you? you come on this show with these vulgar— come on this show with these wnfgor neoe. — come on this show with these vulgar ideas. sorry. just really rower— vulgar ideas. sorry. just really rower fhe— vulgar ideas. sorry. just really lower the tone— vulgar ideas. sorry. just really lower the tone of— vulgar ideas. sorry. just really lower the tone of an otherwise eophfeffe— lower the tone of an otherwise eophfeffe enf— lower the tone of an otherwise sophistic and high brow show. so gor— sophistic and high brow show. so eof fine.— sophistic and high brow show. so we've got time. just quickly for the we've got time. just quickly for he reef— we've got time. just quickly for the last dilemma— we've got time. just quickly for the last dilemma from rihanna. ano— the last dilemma from rihanna. ant-eowe— the last dilemma from rihanna. ant-eowe nw— the last dilemma from rihanna. and-says, my best- the last dilemma from rihanna. and says, my best friend is and she says, my best friend is pregnonf— and she says, my best friend is pregnonf-ehe— and she says, my best friend is pregnant-she-to- and she says, my best friend is pregnant she to call pregnant and she wants to call her ehno— pregnant and she wants to call her child, indiana.— pregnant and she wants to call her child, indiana. i want to fen— her child, indiana. i want to fen-hefne- her child, indiana. i want to. tell-being ridiculous, tell her she's being ridiculous, but tell her she's being ridiculous, her-worried— tell her she's being ridiculous, but-worried-upsetl but i'm worried i might upset her.— but i'm worried i might upset her—r— but i'm worried i might upset her-_ilit- but i'm worried i might upset her—rlff 7- but i'm worried i might upset her—rlff 7 fl her. how should i do it? i fhonehf— her. how should i do it? i thought won— her. how should i do it? i thought you had it right. first fine.— thought you had it right. first time. ridiculous— thought you had it right. first time. ridiculous f/c;5 well, time. ridiculous. yes. well, rnffono— time. ridiculous. yes. well, indiana will— time. ridiculous. yes. well, indiana will have— time. ridiculous. f/c;5 well, indiana will have to explain her fo— indiana will have to explain her ro peopfe— indiana will have to explain her name to people for the rest of her— name to people for the rest of her the.— name to people for the rest of her life. maybe— name to people for the rest of her life. maybe just call her her— her life. maybe just call her fhof on— her life. maybe just call her fhof on fhe— her life. maybe just call her that on the certificate . that on the birth certificate. huf— that on the birth certificate. nnf-eo— that on the birth certificate. nnf-go hw- that on the birth certificate. but-go by anna.- that on the birth certificate. but go by anna. yeah, but she can go by anna. yeah, huf— but she can go by anna. yeah, her-fe— but she can go by anna. yeah, her-re o— but she can go by anna. yeah, her-re o ereof- but indiana is a great name. he— but indiana is a great name. he a— but indiana is a great name. he a great— but indiana is a great name. it's a great film,— but indiana is a great name. it's a great film, isn't- but indiana is a great name. it's a great film, isn't it?- it's a great film, isn't it? nothing that. so is nothing wrong with that. so is jaws. to. jaws. but you're not going to. he— jaws. but you're not going to. it's-necessarily- jaws. but you're not going to. it's-necessarily a- jaws. but you're not going to. it's necessarily a reason it's not necessarily a reason for— it's not necessarily a reason for rawe. — it's not necessarily a reason for jaws. that's- it's not necessarily a reason for jaws. c it's not necessarily a reason for jaws. d for jaws. that's actually a good name for a kid. you go , what do name for a kid. you go, what do you that, jaws a you think of that, jaws for a

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that's all we got finne— okay. well, that's all we got ffrne for. — okay. well, that's all we got time for. thank— well, that's all we got time for. thank you so much for tofnfne— time for. thank you so much for joining for— time for. thank you so much for joining for re— time for. thank you so much for joining for us free— time for. thank you so much for joining for us free speech neffon. — joining for us free speech nation. this— joining for us free speech nation. this the joining for us free speech nation. this-the when nation. this was the week when tfl nation. this was the week when m hronehf— nation. this was the week when tfl brought back— nation. this was the week when tfl brought back racial discrimination . suella braverman tfl brought back racial discinto �*iation . suella braverman tfl brought back racial discinto hotin . suella braverman tfl brought back racial discinto hot wateriella braverman tfl brought back racial discinto hot water overbraverman tfl brought back racial discinto hot water over a averman got into hot water over a epeeefne— got into hot water over a speeding ticket and matt hancock wefehef— speeding ticket and matt hancock wefehef h— speeding ticket and matt hancock wefghef in on— speeding ticket and matt hancock weighed in on family values. fhenh— weighed in on family values. fhenh won— weighed in on family values. rhenh won fo— weighed in on family values. thank you to my— weighed in on family values. thank you to my panel. cressida weffon— thank you to my panel. cressida neffon enf— thank you to my panel. cressida wetton and josh— thank you to my panel. cressida wetton and josh howie and to all of nw— wetton and josh howie and to all of nw fenfeeffe— wetton and josh howie and to all of my fantastic guests tonight. ane— of my fantastic guests tonight. ant-wenf— of my fantastic guests tonight. ant-wenf fo— of my fantastic guests tonight. and-want to come- of my fantastic guests tonight. and want to come the and if you want to come to the ehow—fo- and if you want to come to the ehow—fo fhe- show next week, go to the ewnenee — show next week, go to the audience website and come and torn— audience website and come and torn-won— audience website and come and torn-won-ffne- audience website and come and torn-won-fhne .- join us. see you next time, hrezfer— join us. see you next time, hrezfer .— join us. see you next time, brazier . welcome to your gb news brazier. welcome to your gb news weefher— brazier. welcome to your gb news weather forecast _ brazier. welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the met office — weather forecast from the met office fh— weather forecast from the met office. i'm craig— weather forecast from the met office. g g office. i'm craig snell. looking ahead to the week ahead, most of us, to be mainly dry us, it's going to be mainly dry and settled. will be and settled. there will be a little of rain time to and settled. there will be a little across rain time to and settled. there will be a little across the time to and settled. there will be a little across the far time to and settled. there will be a little across the far north e to and settled. there will be a little across the far north and time across the far north and that's we're to that's really how we're going to end the weekend. have this end the weekend. we have this cold across cold front situated across scotland ireland, cold front situated across sclthere'll ireland, cold front situated across sclthere'll a ireland, cold front situated across sclthere'll a focus ireland, cold front situated across sclthere'll a focus of 'eland, cold front situated across sclthere'll a focus of some so there'll be a focus of some cloud tonight out to so there'll be a focus of some clotsouth tonight out to so there'll be a focus of some clotsouth of tonight out to so there'll be a focus of some clotsouth of it,tonight out to so there'll be a focus of some clotsouth of it, highht out to so there'll be a focus of some 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the week ahead. so you can see the week ahead. so you can see the cloud and rain across northern ireland scotland . northern ireland and scotland. the rain mainly focussed across eastern and central scotland as we go the course the we go through the course of the night. largely night. england and wales largely dry, clearest of the skies out towards west. so here towards the west. so here actually turning quite chilly once for the time year once again for the time of year , some low cloud will just move in across some eastern coast as we go through the course of the night. and that'll be slow night. and that'll be quite slow to clear as we go through monday night. and that'll be quite slow to clthe as we go through monday night. and that'll be quite slow to clthe besta go through monday night. and that'll be quite slow to clthe best of 0 through monday night. and that'll be quite slow to clthe best of sunshine monday . so the best of sunshine monday morning be towards the morning will be over towards the western of uk. still morning will be over towards the weste cloud of uk. still morning will be over towards the weste cloud and uk. still morning will be over towards the weste cloud and outbreaks ll morning will be over towards the weste cloud and outbreaks of rain some cloud and outbreaks of rain from that weather front across eastern scotland. but as we go through of the through the course of the afternoon, conditions improve in the so of seeing the east. so lots of us seeing some time some sunshine, but all the time , best of that be over , best of that will be over towards where see towards the west where we'll see temperatures 23, temperatures reaching around 23, possibly even 24 degrees in to the evening. there could be a risk of a few showers across the pennines, but they will quickly disappear as we go through the course night. for course of the night. and for most as start tuesday morning most as we start tuesday morning , it's going to be fairly clear out there, quite chilly out there, but quite chilly again of year. again for the time of year.

maybe odd mist and fog maybe the odd mist and fog patch, but for towns patch, but for most towns and cities, probably .

them five became the first concert lviv black mp. just because you have a- cc . . c it:“.3�* just because you have a different ehn— because you have a different enn eoowf— because you have a different skin colour, you're still a hnnen— skin colour, you're still a human being.- skin colour, you're still a human being. you still have the same needs, desires, wants, effnhnfee— same needs, desires, wants, attributes, abilities . so attributes, abilities. so i fhfnh— attributes, abilities. so i think that— attributes, abilities. so i think that was largely what trowe— think that was largely what frowe nne— think that was largely what prove he fo— think that was largely what drove me to the conservatives , drove me to the conservatives, or ef— drove me to the conservatives, or ef feeef— drove me to the conservatives, or at least they're— drove me to the conservatives, or at least they're not going to freer— or at least they're not going to freer nne— or at least they're not going to freer he fhe— or at least they're not going to treat me like some kind of fohen. — treat me like some kind of fohen. ne— treat me like some kind of token. it's mental- treat me like some kind of token. c i~ic¢xcfc token. it's mental health awareness week. labour's andrew gwynne opens up about his depression. this gwynne opens up about his depression . this cloud descends depression. this cloud descends on won— depression. this cloud descends on won enf— depression. this cloud descends on won ene won— depression. this cloud descends on you and you can't— c this cloud descends on you and you can't get your rhine— on you and you can't get your rnfnf efrefehf— on you and you can't get your mind straight about anything . mind straight about anything. saving— mind straight about anything. saying everything is as even

frfwfeh— saying everything is as even trivial. things— saying everything is as even trivial. things just seem insurmountable and you want to ewe— insurmountable and you want to ewe up.— insurmountable and you want to give up. — insurmountable and you want to give up. zofe— insurmountable and you want to give up. �*qi it:“.3�* give up. 2019 conservative mp elliot colburn . this guy came up elliot colburn. this guy came up to elliot colburn. this guy came up fo nne— elliot colburn. this guy came up fo he enf— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said i— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said i was— cc this guy came up to me and said i was going to wore— to me and said i was going to vofe for— to me and said i was going to vofe for wow— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i found out fhef— vote for you, but i found out fhef won-re— vote for you, but i found out fhef woe gay-— vote for you, but i found out that you're gay. that's efeeneffna— that you're gay. that's efeeneffng .- that you're gay. that's disgusting . i'm voting for the disgusting. i'm voting for the freeh— disgusting. i'm voting for the hrexff herfw— disgusting. i'm voting for the hrexff rerfw . — disgusting. i'm voting for the brexit party . o" brexit party. oh, that's after your news headlines . brexit party. oh, that's after your news headlines. 6:01. i'm ray your news headlines. 6:01. i'm new fofeon— your news headlines. 6:01. i'm new neefeon h— your news headlines. 6:01. i'm ray addison in the— c 6:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom our top eforw. — ray addison in the newsroom our top story. opposition leaders are top story. opposition leaders eeane— top story. opposition leaders are calling for— top story. opposition leaders are calling for an investigation effer— are calling for an investigation effer ff— are calling for an investigation after it emerged— are calling for an investigation after it emerged that the home seereferw— after it emerged that the home secretary tried— after it emerged that the home secretary tried to _ after it emerged that the home secretary tried to avoid fnewnne— secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her driving neenee— incurring points on her driving neenee for— incurring points on her driving licence for speeding last summer. sunday times reports fhef— summer. sunday times reports fhef snene— summer. sunday times reports that suella braverman asked a owh— that suella braverman asked a enn eenenf— that suella braverman asked a civil servant to _ that suella braverman asked a civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 civil servant to organise a 1 to f fnwne— civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course fnefeerf— 1 driving awareness course instead. shadow home secretary nveffe— instead. shadow home secretary nweffe cooper— instead. shadow home secretary yvette cooper described the enegeffone— yvette cooper described the allegations as— yvette cooper described the allegations as shocking, saying ms braverman— allegations as shocking, saying ms braverman whose role is to photo— ms braverman whose role is to nphoff fhe— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . _ ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . i— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . cc c

ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . cc:“ c uphold the law. i don't know the full