just seem trivial. things just seem insurmountable and you want to give— insurmountable and you want to give up.— insurmountable and you want to give up. — insurmountable and you want to give up. zoie— insurmountable and you want to give up. �*qi iii?” give up. 2019 conservative mp elliot colburn . this guy came up elliot colburn. this guy came up to elliot colburn. this guy came up ie me— elliot colburn. this guy came up ie me eni— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said i— elliot colburn. this guy came up to me and said i was— cc this guy came up to me and said i was going to veie— to me and said i was going to veie fev— to me and said i was going to veie iei veg— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i found out vigi— vote for you, but i found out that veg-ve— vote for you, but i found out iiiei you're gay-— vote for you, but i found out that you're gay. that's iiegueiing— that you're gay. that's iiegueiing .- that you're gay. that's disgusting . i'm voting for the disgusting. i'm voting for the eievii— disgusting. i'm voting for the eievii party— disgusting. i'm voting for the eievii ieviv . — disgusting. i'm voting for the brexit party . o" brexit party. oh, that's after your news headlines . brexit party. oh, that's after your news headlines. 6:01. i'm ray aiiieen— your news headlines. 6:01. i'm ray aiiieen in— your news headlines. 6:01. i'm ray addison in the— : 6:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom our top ray addison in the newsroom our ieg eievv. — ray addison in the newsroom our top story. opposition leaders are top story. opposition leaders eeiiing— top story. opposition leaders are calling for— top story. opposition leaders are calling for an investigation giver— are calling for an investigation eiiei ii— are calling for an investigation after it emerged— are calling for an investigation after it emerged that the home seeieievv— after it emerged that the home secretary tried— after it emerged that the home secretary tried to _ after it emerged that the home secretary tried to avoid incurring— secretary tried to avoid incurring points on her driving iieenee— incurring points on her driving iieenee fev— incurring points on her driving licence for speeding last summer. sunday times reports iiei— summer. sunday times reports that sueiie— summer. sunday times reports that suella braverman asked a eivii— that suella braverman asked a eivii eevveni— that suella braverman asked a civil servant to _ that suella braverman asked a civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 civil servant to organise a 1 to i driving— civil servant to organise a 1 to 1 driving awareness course ineieeei— 1 driving awareness course instead. shadow home secretary vveiie— instead. shadow home secretary vveiie cooper— instead. shadow home secretary yvette cooper described the eiiegeiiene— yvette cooper described the allegations as— yvette cooper described the allegations as shocking, saying ms braverman— allegations as shocking, saying ms braverman whose role is to ugieii— ms braverman whose role is to ugieii iiie— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . _ ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . i— ms braverman whose role is to uphold the law . cizi’ c ms braverman whose role is to

uphold the law . i213" c uphold the law. i don't know the full details of what has happened , nor have i spoken to happened, nor have i spoken to the home secretary. i think you can see firsthand what i've been doing over the last day or so, but i understand that she's expressed regret for speeding, accepted the penalty and paid the fine . prime minister there. the fine. prime minister there. vveii— the fine. prime minister there. vveii en— the fine. prime minister there. vveii on me— the fine. prime minister there. well on the final— �*" prime minister there. well on the final day of the g7 summi— well on the final day of the g7 eummii in— well on the final day of the g7 summit in japan,— well on the final day of the g7 summit in japan, world leaders have— summit in japan, world leaders have sei— summit in japan, world leaders have set evi— summit in japan, world leaders have set out their— summit in japan, world leaders have set out their plans to we — have set out their plans to tackle aggression from china. iiie— tackle aggression from china. iiie prime— tackle aggression from china. the prime minister rishi sunak eeii— the prime minister rishi sunak eeii eeiiing— the prime minister rishi sunak said beijing poses the biggest eieiienge— said beijing poses the biggest eieiienge io— said beijing poses the biggest challenge to global security, being— challenge to global security, being me— challenge to global security, ieing iiie eniv— challenge to global security, being the only country with both the being the only country with both iiie veins— being the only country with both the means and— being the only country with both the means and intent to reshape the means and intent to reshape iiie veiii— the means and intent to reshape the world order.— the means and intent to reshape the world order. us— the means and intent to reshape the world order. us president joe the world order. us president iee eigen— the world order. us president iee eiien eave— the world order. us president joe biden says there's complete eeevie— joe biden says there's complete eeevie eni— joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity— joe biden says there's complete resolve and unity within the g7 to resolve and unity within the g7 ie veeenigee— resolve and unity within the g7 to recognise china— resolve and unity within the g7 to recognise china and reduce g...— to recognise china and reduce iiie visi— to recognise china and reduce iiie viev io— to recognise china and reduce the risk to international eeeuviiv. — the risk to international security. we're not looking to deceive— security. we're not looking to decouple from _ security. we're not looking to decouple from china . �*fvi�*izi; ”it; decouple from china. we're moving— decouple from china. we're ieeiing io— decouple from china. we're looking to de—risk and diversify our relationship with china. that means taking steps to diversify our supply chains and we're not. so we're not dependent on any one country for necessary products. it means

resisting economic coercion together either and countering harmful practises that hurt our workers. it means protecting a narrow set of advanced technologies critical for our national security . well, the national security. well, the president— national security. well, the president ei— national security. well, the president of ukraine- f ” car well, the president of ukraine has addressed— president of ukraine has addressed world leaders at the g7 addressed world leaders at the ei mg,— addressed world leaders at the g7 summit, saying he's confident vigi— g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev-e— g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peace— g7 summit, saying he's confident that kiev's peace formula has the that kiev's peace formula has iiie geieniiei— that kiev's peace formula has the potential to— that kiev's peace formula has the potential to prevent future wars. he's thanked, thanked vveeiem— wars. he's thanked, thanked western allies— wars. he's thanked, thanked western allies for their ongoing support,— western allies for their ongoing support, including receiving american— support, including receiving american made— support, including receiving american made f—16 jets and the gaining— american made f—16 jets and the giving ei— american made f—16 jets and the training of ukrainian pilots. aces— training of ukrainian pilots. acas volodymyr zelenskyy also iiemieeei— acas volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims— acas volodymyr zelenskyy also dismissed claims that the ieueeien— dismissed claims that the russian mercenary wagner group has eegiuiei— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the— russian mercenary wagner group has captured the city of bakhmut . i— has captured the city of bakhmut . i enmi— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with— has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with you- has captured the city of bakhmut . i cannot share with you the tactical views of our military, of our warriors, but as of today , we can see that the country , , we can see that the country, which dozens times is bigger than we are , cannot occupy us, than we are, cannot occupy us, cannot win in this war. now, our people are accomplishing a very important mission . they are now important mission. they are now in bakhmut . i will not share

in bakhmut. i will not share where exactly , but it witnesses where exactly, but it witnesses that bakhmut is not occupied by russian federation. as of today , there are no 2 or 3 interpretations of those words . interpretations of those words. the environment secretary says scrapping— the environment secretary says scrapping in— the environment secretary says scrapping eu laws— the environment secretary says scrapping eu laws would boost the scrapping eu laws would boost ine une— scrapping eu laws would boost the uk's domestic wine industry by the uk's domestic wine industry iv neo— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million.— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. a— the uk's domestic wine industry by £180 million. a number of masses— by £180 million. a number of brussels regulations that were veiainei— brussels regulations that were retained after— brussels regulations that were retained after brexit will be avenged— retained after brexit will be dropped ae— retained after brexit will be dropped as part of the retained eu dropped as part of the retained in iavv— dropped as part of the retained in iav iii,— dropped as part of the retained eu law bill, including some that impact— eu law bill, including some that impact ine— eu law bill, including some that impact the wine— eu law bill, including some that impact the wine sector. environment- impact the wine sector. environment secretary therese ceiiev— environment secretary therese ceiiev iaii — environment secretary therese caiiev ieii ae— environment secretary therese coffey told us it— environment secretary therese coffey told us it will reduce unnecessary red— coffey told us it will reduce unnecessary red tape and allow the unnecessary red tape and allow ine iniaeinv— unnecessary red tape and allow ine iniaeinv ia— unnecessary red tape and allow the industry to thrive . well, the industry to thrive. well, invee— the industry to thrive. well, iniee veggie— the industry to thrive. well, three people have been taken to naeniiai— three people have been taken to naepiiai annea— three people have been taken to hospital after a— three people have been taken to hospital after a double decker nae— hospital after a double decker nae nin— hospital after a double decker nae nii a— hospital after a double decker bus hit a bridge— hospital after a double decker bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the venieie— bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the venieie nin— bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the vehicle hit the— bus hit a bridge in glasgow. the vehicle hit the underside of a vaiivav— vehicle hit the underside of a iaiivvav inige— vehicle hit the underside of a railway bridge in— vehicle hit the underside of a railway bridge in tradeston this manning,— railway bridge in tradeston this morning, sharing— railway bridge in tradeston this morning, sharing its roof off ani— morning, sharing its roof off and becoming— morning, sharing its roof off and becoming wedged underneath. iaiiee— and becoming wedged underneath. police temporarily— and becoming wedged underneath. police temporarily closed a nanei— police temporarily closed a nannei ai— police temporarily closed a number of roads while passengers neaiei— number of roads while passengers were treated at— number of roads while passengers were treated at the— number of roads while passengers were treated at the scene. all naine— were treated at the scene. all naine vee— were treated at the scene. all trains were stopped and

nineeneg— trains were stopped and engineers from network rail seaiiani— engineers from network rail scotland were— engineers from network rail scotland were also brought in to eneev— scotland were also brought in to eneev inan— scotland were also brought in to check that the _ scotland were also brought in to check that the bridge was safe to check that the bridge was safe ia veaenn— check that the bridge was safe ia veaenn .— check that the bridge was safe to reopen . alison— check that the bridge was safe to reopen . alison hammond and to reopen. alison hammond and denna— to reopen. alison hammond and dennai o-ieavv— to reopen. alison hammond and dermot o'leary will fill in as inievin — dermot o'leary will fill in as interim hosts— dermot o'leary will fill in as interim hosts on— dermot o'leary will fill in as interim hosts on this morning iaiiaving— interim hosts on this morning following phillip schofield's aeganaie— following phillip schofield's aeganaie .— following phillip schofield's departure . itv_ following phillip schofield's departure . itv has confirmed he departure. itv has confirmed he van-i— departure. itv has confirmed he van-i ne— departure. itv has confirmed he won't be coming— departure. itv has confirmed he won't be coming back despite two decades— won't be coming back despite two decades ai— won't be coming back despite two decades an ine— won't be coming back despite two decades at the helm with co—host naiiv— decades at the helm with co—host naiiv vviiiaagniv— decades at the helm with co—host holly willoughby taking leave nevi— holly willoughby taking leave nevi veev. — holly willoughby taking leave next week. mr— holly willoughby taking leave next week. mr schofield posted on next week. mr schofield posted an eeeiai— next week. mr schofield posted on social media— next week. mr schofield posted on social media saying he wanted to on social media saying he wanted no preteen— on social media saying he wanted ia naeieei ine— on social media saying he wanted to protect the show. _ on social media saying he wanted to protect the show. he loved . to protect the show. he loved. n-e— to protect the show. he loved. ii-e annea— to protect the show. he loved. ii-e aiiei nie— to protect the show. he loved. it's after his brother, timothy seneiieii— it's after his brother, timothy schofield was— it's after his brother, timothy schofield was jailed for 12 veave— schofield was jailed for 12 veaie annea— schofield was jailed for 12 years after being convicted of eniii— years after being convicted of eniii sev— years after being convicted of child sex offences . the prince child sex offences. the prince of vvaiee— child sex offences. the prince of vvaiee nae— child sex offences. the prince of wales has joined royal navy eannaivvinee— of wales has joined royal navy submariners preparing to take on a transatlantic— submariners preparing to take on a transatlantic rowing challenge . ine— a transatlantic rowing challenge . ine nave— a transatlantic rowing challenge . ine nave ei— a transatlantic rowing challenge . the duke of cambridge released aviiee— . the duke of cambridge released aviiea ei— . the duke of cambridge released aviiea an nie— . the duke of cambridge released a video of his visit— . the duke of cambridge released a video of his visit to a naining— a video of his visit to a training session organised by the training session organised by ine niis— training session organised by the hms audacious crew in 2019. they— the hms audacious crew in 2019. inev began— the hms audacious crew in 2019. they began raising— the hms audacious crew in 2019. they began raising money to engagin— they began raising money to evanen ine— they began raising money to support the mental health of men— support the mental health of their colleagues— support the mental health of their colleagues . so far, their colleagues. so far, inev-ve — their colleagues. so far, they've raised- their colleagues. so far, they've raised over £110,000 as

an iv— they've raised over £110,000 as we're on tv online_ they've raised over £110,000 as we're on tv online and on dab+ vaiia— we're on tv online and on dab+ vaiia ani— we're on tv online and on dab+ radio and en— we're on tv online and on dab+ radio and on tune— we're on tv online and on dab+ radio and on tune in— we're on tv online and on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb radio and on tune in to this is en neve— radio and on tune in to this is gb news. time— radio and on tune in to this is gb news. time now for gloria iieeie— gb news. time now for gloria iieeie .— meets. adam iieeie- adam afriyie. iieeie— adam afriyie. you were elected as a conservative mp in 2005. you were the first black conservative mp. how was the journey to get there? yeah , journey to get there? yeah, fascinating. so i— journey to get there? yeah, fascinating. so i was- g: , yeah, fascinating. so i was as a young lad fascinating. so i was as a young iai in— fascinating. so i was as a young iai in savin— fascinating. so i was as a young lad in south london in peckham, being— lad in south london in peckham, being dragged— lad in south london in peckham, being dragged up— lad in south london in peckham, being dragged up in social naming,— being dragged up in social housing, young, single parents, bit housing, young, single parents, iii ai— housing, young, single parents, iii of a— housing, young, single parents, bit of a chaotic— housing, young, single parents, bit of a chaotic background . i bit of a chaotic background. i venenneii i— bit of a chaotic background. i remember i used— bit of a chaotic background. i remember i used to i don't know if vea-ve— remember i used to i don't know i vae ain— remember i used to i don't know if you're old enough, actually. we if you're old enough, actually. vie aeei— if you're old enough, actually. vie aeei ia— if you're old enough, actually. we used to have— if you're old enough, actually. we used to have these red bus never— we used to have these red bus rover tickets— we used to have these red bus rover tickets where my brother ani— rover tickets where my brother and i— rover tickets where my brother and i vvaaii— rover tickets where my brother and i would get— rover tickets where my brother and i would get a— rover tickets where my brother and i would get a bus ticket. vie-i— and i would get a bus ticket. vie-i ge— and i would get a bus ticket. vie-i ga aii— and i would get a bus ticket. we'd go all the— and i would get a bus ticket. we'd go all the way around ienien— we'd go all the way around ienien aii— we'd go all the way around london, all the— we'd go all the way around london, all the way outside ienien— london, all the way outside ienien-naving- london, all the way outside london paying any london without paying any additional— london without paying any additional would up

london without paying any- additional-would.up to occasionally we would go up to manner— occasionally we would go up to naniei io— occasionally we would go up to number 10 downing street because,-that- number 10 downing street because, that where the because, oh, is that where the nine — because, oh, is that where the prime -lives?- because, oh, is that where the prime - lives? - sit l because, oh, is that where thei prime-lives?-sit on prime minister lives? we sit on the prime minister lives? we sit on gig-oggggg, — prime minister lives? we sit on the-outside, which- the steps outside, which you can vain— the steps outside, which you can walk-up— the steps outside, which you can walk up downstairs, walk straight up to downstairs, sit walk straight up to downstairs, eii an— walk straight up to downstairs, eii an ine— walk straight up to downstairs, sit on the steps— walk straight up to downstairs, sit on the steps outside. i- remember—saying, remember the policeman saying, neig—enei hello, hello lads. and then one day— hello, hello lads. and then one iav nanni— hello, hello lads. and then one day harold wilson— hello, hello lads. and then one day harold wilson came and day harold wilson came out and said,— day harold wilson came out and eaiei-iaie— day harold wilson came out and said,-lads.-oh,- said, hello lads. men. oh, neig— said, hello lads. men. oh, neiia. ani— said, hello lads. men. oh, hello. and then- said, hello lads. men. oh, hello. and then we worked out vvna— hello. and then we worked out vvne ne— hello. and then we worked out vvne ne — hello. and then we worked out vvne ne a— hello. and then we worked out who he was. a bit— hello. and then we worked out who he was. a bit later and i ininv— who he was. a bit later and i mink-nave— who he was. a bit later and i think-make that- who he was. a bit later and i think make that journey. think so to make that journey. ani— think so to make that journey. ana ineie— think so to make that journey. and there was— think so to make that journey. and there was a— think so to make that journey. and there was a lot of racism in inane— and there was a lot of racism in ineee nave— and there was a lot of racism in inaee nave ani— and there was a lot of racism in those days and challenges and the those days and challenges and ine-nie— those days and challenges and ine-nie ani- those days and challenges and the-rife and riots- those days and challenges and the rife and riots and the nf were rife and riots and viaienee—i- the nf were rife and riots and violence—i still| violence and chaos. so i still nave— violence and chaos. so i still nave-nveeii- violence and chaos. so i still have-myself to- violence and chaos. so i still have myself to this violence and chaos. so i still- have-myself to this day have to pinch myself to this day to have to pinch myself to this day ia nave— have to pinch myself to this day to make myself— have to pinch myself to this day to make myself from that way, inan— to make myself from that way, nan-vina— to make myself from that way, from-kind of— to make myself from that way, from kind of background to from that kind of background to end-ine— from that kind of background to end-ine iav— from that kind of background to end the law making end up in the law making appaiaiae— end up in the law making annaiaiae ei— end up in the law making apparatus of nation end up in the law making apparatus of-nation the apparatus of your nation in the nanianeniavv— apparatus of your nation in the parliamentary windsor, parliamentary seat of windsor, of parliamentary seat of windsor, ei—ine— parliamentary seat of windsor, ei—ine ieegai- of all places, the regal seat of windsor.— of all places, the regal seat of vviniean-i-n— of all places, the regal seat of windsor.-i'm still- windsor. just i'm still astonished,- windsor. just i'm still astonished, but i think i think i astonished, but i think i think iininv— astonished, but i think i think i ininv i— astonished, but i think i think inninv i va— astonished, but i think i think i think i was always driven to gag,— i think i was always driven to gig, inv— i think i was always driven to one side, try to— i think i was always driven to one side, try to secure myself iinaneiaiiv— one side, try to secure myself iinaneiaiiv. i— one side, try to secure myself financially. i was— one side, try to secure myself financially. i was always driven to financially. i was always driven ia gei— financially. i was always driven ia gei-naiiiiee— financially. i was always driven to get politics because we to get into politics because we aeei— to get into politics because we aeeilnave— to get into politics because we used-have-of- used to have a lot of discussions- used to have a lot of discussions around dinner discussions around the dinner iaiie— discussions around the dinner table-mother— discussions around the dinner table mother worked for the table. my mother worked for the nac— table. my mother worked for the inc-genea— table. my mother worked for the inc-neviei ae— table. my mother worked for the bbc period as well, so bbc for a period as well, so vei— bbc for a period as well, so vve-i aivvave— bbc for a period as well, so we'd always listen to radio near.— we'd always listen to radio four-li— we'd always listen to radio four..| think— we'd always listen to radio four..| think-the. we'd always listen to radio four. i think the bug four. so i think i had the bug very— four. so i think i had the bug vevv-vean.— four. so i think i had the bug venv-vean. - four. so i think i had the bug- very-yeah. -mentioned very young. yeah. you mentioned racism was racism in racism. was there a racism in politic on your journey to get

selected ? yeah, i don't to be selected? yeah, i don't to be fair— selected? yeah, i don't to be fair ,— selected? yeah, i don't to be gi, i— selected? yeah, i don't to be gi, i knew.— selected? yeah, i don't to be fair , i know. look,- ff yeah, i don't to be fair , i know. look, the general fair, i know. look, the general nape— fair, i know. look, the general inane ie— fair, i know. look, the general trope is tories— fair, i know. look, the general trope is tories are— fair, i know. look, the general trope is tories are racist. rich vaeiei. — trope is tories are racist. rich vaeiei. i— trope is tories are racist. rich racist. i wouldn't- trope is tories are racist. rich racist. i wouldn't say- trope is tories are racist. rich racist. : " l racist. i wouldn't say that politics. no, no, no, no. i get inan— politics. no, no, no, no. i get inai. nai— politics. no, no, no, no. i get inai. nan nai— politics. no, no, no, no. i get that. but but that's- it»; no, no, no, no. i get that. but but that's the kind {5 no, no, no, no. i get that. but but that's the kind of mate— that. but but that's the kind of inai-e ine— that. but but that's the kind of that's the kind— that. but but that's the kind of that's the kind of— that. but but that's the kind of that's the kind of polarisation, if that's the kind of polarisation, ii vea— that's the kind of polarisation, ii vea ine— that's the kind of polarisation, if you like, are— that's the kind of polarisation, if you like, are going to be veaiiv— if you like, are going to be really honest— if you like, are going to be really honest with you. i said to really honest with you. i said ia vea— really honest with you. i said to vaa ieieve— really honest with you. i said to you before we— really honest with you. i said to you before we started and i said,— to you before we started and i ggg, lean— to you before we started and i said, look, i'm— to you before we started and i said, look, i'm leaving parliament— said, look, i'm leaving parliament at the next election, ineieiaie— parliament at the next election, ineveieve iii— parliament at the next election, therefore i'll just— parliament at the next election, therefore i'll just talk freely. ani— therefore i'll just talk freely. anilveaii— therefore i'll just talk freely. and iwould -wasi therefore i'll just talk freely.i and iwould -was no and i would say there was no greater— and i would say there was no greater levels— and i would say there was no greater levels of— and i would say there was no greater levels of racism or nieiaiiee— prejudice within the conservative there conservative party than there inan — conservative party than there were than there— conservative party than there were than there was in rest were than there was in the rest of were than there was in the rest at eaeieiv— were than there was in the rest at eaeieivline— were than there was in the rest of society the time. and of society at the time. and i ininv— of society at the time. and i think-beauty— of society at the time. and i think-beauty-i- of society at the time. and i think beauty i do of society at the time. and i- think-beauty-i do mean think the beauty and i do mean the think the beauty and i do mean ine-ai— think the beauty and i do mean ine-ei ine— think the beauty and i do mean the of the conservative the beauty of the conservative party— the beauty of the conservative party-vou— the beauty of the conservative ianv-vaa enavv- party is that if you show aiiiiiv— party is that if you show ability and— party is that if you show ability and you're able, you iaei— ability and you're able, you iaeileaiiing— ability and you're able, you just sailing through and just go sailing through and inane— just go sailing through and inai-e in— just go sailing through and that's in effect— just go sailing through and that's in effect maybe the that's in effect after maybe the iaie— that's in effect after maybe the iaie-inai-e— that's in effect after maybe the late -that's in— that's in effect after maybe the late that's in effect what late 80s, that's in effect what nappenei.— late 80s, that's in effect what happened._that's| late 80s, that's in effect what. happened._that's why happened. and i think that's why the happened. and i think that's why ine-ai— happened. and i think that's why ine-ei ine— happened. and i think that's why the-of the mps_ happened. and i think that's why the-of the mps of- happened. and i think that's why the of the mps of non—white the most of the mps of non—white inne— the most of the mps of non—white nine vvna— the most of the mps of non—white mps who-elected— the most of the mps of non—white mps who-elected for- the most of the mps of non—white mps who elected for the mps who get elected for the conservatives _ mps who get elected for the conservatives are pretty strong enavaeieie— conservatives are pretty strong characters-we've- conservatives are pretty strong characters we've had to characters because we've had to igni— characters because we've had to iigni an— characters because we've had to iigni an a— characters because we've had to fight on a level— characters because we've had to fight on a level playing field witn— fight on a level playing field vviin—eiee. - fight on a level playing field with -else. so- fight on a level playing field with else. so yeah fight on a level playing field. with -else. so yeah , a with everybody else. so yeah, a bit with everybody else. so yeah, a iii-vaeien. — with everybody else. so yeah, a bit-racism. yeah,- bit of casual racism. yeah, navie— bit of casual racism. yeah, navie-nai- bit of casual racism. yeah, maybe.-but but- bit of casual racism. yeah, maybe. but but i think maybe. maybe but but i think inat— maybe. maybe but but i think that ultimately— maybe. maybe but but i think that ultimately the conservative party— that ultimately the conservative ianv eniaaeei— that ultimately the conservative party embraced modern britain gaiie— party embraced modern britain gaiie a— party embraced modern britain gaiie a iang— party embraced modern britain

quite a long time— party embraced modern britain quite a long time ago, so it's ainaei— quite a long time ago, so it's ainaei nai— quite a long time ago, so it's almost not an— quite a long time ago, so it's almost not an issue. and genaineiv— almost not an issue. and genaineiv-in- almost not an issue. and genuinely, in westminster genuinely, even in westminster ieiav— genuinely, even in westminster iaiav vvnen— genuinely, even in westminster iaaav vvnen in— genuinely, even in westminster today when i'm sitting there, vvnen— today when i'm sitting there, vvnen ainei— today when i'm sitting there, when other mps_ today when i'm sitting there, when other mps sitting there when other mps are sitting there iaaving— when other mps are sitting there ieeving ai— when other mps are sitting there ieaving ai ine— when other mps are sitting there looking at the past kwasi nvaneng— looking at the past kwasi vvaneng an— looking at the past kwasi kwarteng on the front bench, seeing— kwarteng on the front bench, eeeing ,— kwarteng on the front bench, eeeing , eeeing— kwarteng on the front bench, seeing, seeing james kwarteng on the front bench, seeing , seeing james cleverly kwarteng on the front bench, seeing, seeing james cleverly as iaveign— seeing, seeing james cleverly as foreign secretary,— seeing, seeing james cleverly as foreign secretary, do you know, i foreign secretary, do you know, i nan-i— foreign secretary, do you know, i nan-i ininv— foreign secretary, do you know, i don't think they— foreign secretary, do you know, i don't think they even see it. i don't think they even see it. i mean— i don't think they even see it. i i— i don't think they even see it. i mean, i know— i don't think they even see it. i mean, i know i— i don't think they even see it. i mean, i know i genuinely i iaei— i mean, i know i genuinely i iaei ion-i— i mean, i know i genuinely i iaei nan-i see— i mean, i know i genuinely i just don't see it.— i mean, i know i genuinely i just don't see it. it's like name— just don't see it. it's like neither here— just don't see it. it's like neither here nor there. so it's vean— neither here nor there. so it's vean ite— neither here nor there. so it's yeah, it's fascinating. e yeah, it's fascinating. it's remarkable.— yeah, it's fascinating. it's remarkable. it's- yeah, it's fascinating. it's remarkable. it's remarkable. so when researching this, i when i was researching this, i had to go back a long way. i found one personal interview you've ever done, which is why i'm. which is why i'm so thrilled that you're here today. it was 13 years ago that you gave this personal interview and you said this 13 years ago. i don't see myself enough as a black man . i refuse to be black man. i refuse to be defined by my colour or pigeonholed in that way. is that still your view? 100, because i ininv— still your view? 100, because i ininv ineie— still your view? 100, because i think there is— still your view? 100, because i think there is a— ll " , , 100, because i think there is a tendency, and nanieaiaiiv— think there is a tendency, and particularly for— think there is a tendency, and particularly for political gain eanneiinnee— particularly for political gain sometimes and— particularly for political gain sometimes and campaign gain to iaeieaiiv— sometimes and campaign gain to iaeieaiiv eav— sometimes and campaign gain to basically say because you have one attribute,— basically say because you have one attribute, whether it's your

skin — one attribute, whether it's your skin eaaai— one attribute, whether it's your skin colour or— one attribute, whether it's your skin colour or your culture or van— skin colour or your culture or veav sev— skin colour or your culture or van eevlveav— skin colour or your culture or your sex your gender, that your sex or your gender, that inat— your sex or your gender, that inai-iaiaiiiv- your sex or your gender, that that-totalitylyou. your sex or your gender, that that totality you and that is the totality of you and ineieieve— that is the totality of you and therefore it's— that is the totality of you and therefore it's very— that is the totality of you and therefore it's very easy to be nigeanneiei— therefore it's very easy to be pigeonholed in— therefore it's very easy to be pigeonholed in fact, i'll let you— pigeonholed in fact, i'll let vea inta— pigeonholed in fact, i'll let vaa into a— pigeonholed in fact, i'll let you into a secret. the reason i iiin-i— you into a secret. the reason i iiin-i tain— you into a secret. the reason i iiin-i iein ine— you into a secret. the reason i didn't join the labour party and i didn't join the labour party and i-aieai— didn't join the labour party and i-aieai g,— didn't join the labour party and i-about it, really- i did think about it, really ineagni— i did think about it, really thought about— i did think about it, really thought about it. yeah, i inaagni— thought about it. yeah, i thought about it. yeah, i thought about it. yeah, i thought about it in 1987 when i making— thought about it in 1987 when i was making decision about was making my decision about vvnien— was making my decision about amen-nan,— was making my decision about which-had, the- was making my decision about which had, the labour which party i had, the labour partyi— which party i had, the labour iaviv—inail party, the liberals at that time,— party, the liberals at that tine-ani- party, the liberals at that time,-and the. time, and sdp and the conservatives. and i said, well, vvnai— conservatives. and i said, well, vnai ia— conservatives. and i said, well, vnai no i— conservatives. and i said, well, what do i really— conservatives. and i said, well, what do i really honestly in my nean—vnien- what do i really honestly in my heart—which party. what do i really honestly in my heart which party do what do i really honestly in myi hgot_which party do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? which party do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? and which party do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? and there ich party do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? and there wasiarty do what do i really honestly in my hgo into? and there was abouto i go into? and there was about 60:— i go into? and there was about 60, ion— i go into? and there was about 60, 70% match— i go into? and there was about 60, 70% match with labour, to be nevieeiiv— 60, 70% match with labour, to be perfectly honest,— 60, 70% match with labour, to be perfectly honest, about an 80% nann— perfectly honest, about an 80%j naien—iine match with liberals at the time vvnen— match with liberals at the time when - believed _ match with liberals at the time when believed democracy when they believed in democracy and when they believed in democracy ant-inane.— when they believed in democracy and-trade. now— when they believed in democracy and trade. now they don't and free trade. now they don't anymore. interested. anymore. so i'm not interested. ani— anymore. so i'm not interested. ana—ine- and but then with the conservative - and but then with the conservative party is probably aiaai— conservative party is probably about-match. - conservative party is probably about-match. so- conservative party is probably about match. so it's about 85, 90% match. so it's gaiie— about 85, 90% match. so it's gate-n— about 85, 90% match. so it's gaiie-ii - about 85, 90% match. so it's quite-it was. it- about 85, 90% match. so it's quite it was. it was very quite close. it was. it was very eeeei — quite close. it was. it was very eeeei vean— quite close. it was. it was very close. yeah, it— quite close. it was. it was very close. yeah, it was— quite close. it was. it was very close. yeah, it was very close ieeaaee— close. yeah, it was very close ieeaaee i— close. yeah, it was very close because i-the- close. yeah, it was very close because i the outcomes because i think the outcomes inat— because i think the outcomes inai—in- because i think the outcomes inai—in nanv- because i think the outcomes. that—in many ways that labour want in many ways neanie— that labour want in many ways neanielie— that labour want in many ways people be wealthier, people to be wealthier, happy, taking— people to be wealthier, happy, iaving eave— people to be wealthier, happy, taking care of— people to be wealthier, happy, taking care of their difficulty. inactiv— taking care of their difficulty. ivaeaiv-eaving- taking care of their difficulty. exactly saying what exactly what saying what conservatives _ conservatives want the difference _ difference is, is we have inferent— difference is, is we have different way— difference is, is we have different way getting there. different way of getting there. we different way of getting there. tie -a— different way of getting there. we - a different— different way of getting there. we a different mechanisms we see a different mechanisms of getting— we see a different mechanisms of getting-anywavv_ we see a different mechanisms of getting-anywavv i— we see a different mechanisms of getting anyway, i digress. getting there anyway, i digress. so getting there anyway, i digress. so iaeieaiiv— getting there anyway, i digress. so basically looked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilaboury looked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilabour party, looked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilabour party, i looked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilabour party, i was ked getting there anyway, i digress. so ilabour party, i was just the labour party, i was just angvv— the labour party, i was just angvv. i— the labour party, i was just angvv. i vva— the labour party, i was just

angry. i was really angry. not aieai— angry. i was really angry. not about necessarily even the neiiev— policy areas. i was angry ieeaaee— policy areas. i was angry because-like- policy areas. i was angry because-like if- policy areas. i was angry because like if you're because it's like if you're iiaen— because it's like if you're iiaen vea— because it's like if you're black, you -to - because it's like if you're black, you to be a because it's like if you're- black, you -to be a certain black, you have to be a certain way— black, you have to be a certain vav ai— black, you have to be a certain vav an vave— black, you have to be a certain vav an vave gai— black, you have to be a certain way or you've got to be a victim in-vav. — way or you've got to be a victim in-vav. -gai- way or you've got to be a victim in-vav. -gei ia- way or you've got to be a victim| in -way. -got to have in some way. you've got to have all in some way. you've got to have aii-eaiiavai— in some way. you've got to have all cultural attributes that all the cultural attributes that i all the cultural attributes that i nen-i— all the cultural attributes that i nan-i inev— all the cultural attributes that i don't know they deemed to i don't know that they deemed to be i don't know that they deemed to ie-annnnnaie— i don't know that they deemed to be-appropriate-for- be the appropriate ones for niaci— be the appropriate ones for iiaev people- — be the appropriate ones for black people. needed special black people. you needed special neig— black people. you needed special nen—ia— black people. you needed special neig—ie ne— black people. you needed special help._to be you're- help. you've got to be you're going— help. you've got to be you're going underprivileged. going to be underprivileged. i mean—avian- going to be underprivileged. i mean, awful. and mean, it was just awful. and i ineagni,— mean, it was just awful. and i anaagni, ia— mean, it was just awful. and i anaagni, ea vea— mean, it was just awful. and i thought, do you know what? that is thought, do you know what? that ie-vievv— thought, do you know what? that ie-vievv ei— thought, do you know what? that is-view of people- is not my view of people geneiaiiv. — is not my view of people generally. and - is not my view of people generally. and it to is not my view of people- generally. and it-to me generally. and it seems to me inat— generally. and it seems to me inai iaei— generally. and it seems to me that just because— generally. and it seems to me that just because you have a inferent— that just because you have a different-colour,- that just because you have a different colour, you're different skin colour, you're eiiii—veal different skin colour, you're. still—you still still a human being, you still nave— still a human being, you still nave-sane— still a human being, you still have same needs, desires, have the same needs, desires, vani— have the same needs, desires, vane—sal have the same needs, desires, nthink—soi have the same needs, desires, vithink that—soj have the same needs, desires, vithink that was so have the same needs, desires, vithink that was largely so have the same needs, desires, vithink that was largely whati i think that was largely what inve— i think that was largely what drove conservatives. drove me to the conservatives. i inaagni,— drove me to the conservatives. i thought-at— drove me to the conservatives. i thought,-at least- drove me to the conservatives. i thought, at least they're thought, well, at least they're not thought, well, at least they're net-ia— thought, well, at least they're net-ie-ne- thought, well, at least they're not-to -me like - thought, well, at least they're. not-to-me like some not going to treat me like some vina— not going to treat me like some vine-taken— not going to treat me like some kind ltoken, you— not going to treat me like some kind token, you know? wow. kind of token, you know? wow. nai— kind of token, you know? wow. nai vae— kind of token, you know? wow. but you're trailblazer . but you're a trailblazer. i mean, whether- but you're a trailblazer. i mean, whether you - but you're a trailblazer. i mean, whether you like it or to not be the first anything means you have blazed a trail. you can lead other people who may never have been able to dream of achieving that . you can see. so achieving that. you can see. so you can be some people will think , but you don't. you don't think, but you don't. you don't like the trailblazer thing. it is.lookitis like the trailblazer thing. it is. look it is something. but i ininv— is. look it is something. but i

ininv vvnen— is. look it is something. but i think when you're— is. look it is something. but i think when you're sitting in van— think when you're sitting in var vvn— think when you're sitting in your own skin,— think when you're sitting in your own skin, you just see what vae— your own skin, you just see what vae aiming— your own skin, you just see what vae aining ia— your own skin, you just see what you're aiming to achieve, what you— you're aiming to achieve, what vea vani— you're aiming to achieve, what vaa vani ia— you're aiming to achieve, what vaa want to aa— you're aiming to achieve, what you want to do for— you're aiming to achieve, what you want to do for the country. ani— you want to do for the country. and no— you want to do for the country. and no vea— you want to do for the country. and do you know— you want to do for the country. and do you know what if people i ininv— and do you know what if people i ininv ine— and do you know what if people i think the best— and do you know what if people i think the best way— and do you know what if people i think the best way i— and do you know what if people i think the best way i can put it is think the best way i can put it ie inie— think the best way i can put it ie inie ie— think the best way i can put it ie inie ie in— think the best way i can put it is this is if people— think the best way i can put it is this is if people were encouraged— is this is if people were encouraged and are encouraged by the encouraged and are encouraged by ine eaaai— encouraged and are encouraged by ine eeeai ai— encouraged and are encouraged by the colour of my— encouraged and are encouraged by the colour of my skin. i'll tell you— the colour of my skin. i'll tell vaa wig,— the colour of my skin. i'll tell vaa gig, in— the colour of my skin. i'll tell you what, i'm delighted, gloria. i'm you what, i'm delighted, gloria. i-n—ieiigniei.- i'm absolutely delighted. but it's i'm absolutely delighted. but its—nae- i'm absolutely delighted. but. it's—was setting it's not something i was setting out it's not something i was setting eai ia— it's not something i was setting eat ta ta. — it's not something i was setting eat ta ta. nai— it's not something i was setting out to do. but i— it's not something i was setting out to do. but i have to say it is out to do. but i have to say it ie—ia— out to do. but i have to say it ie—ie ne— out to do. but i have to say it ie—ie ie ine- out to do. but i have to say it is_to be the first. is something to be the first niaci— is something to be the first black conservative mp, meaning.— black conservative mp, something. it certainly is. it eenainiv— something. it certainly is. it eenainivlsa— something. it certainly is. it certainly-so you- something. it certainly is. it certainly so you mentioned something. it certainly is. it certa upbringing. ou mentioned something. it certainly is. it certa upbringing. you nentioned something. it certainly is. it certa upbringing. you wereined something. it certainly is. it certaupbringing. you were born your upbringing. you were born in 1965. your mum's white, your dad , black, ghanaian. you said dad, black, ghanaian. you said that you grew up in social housing, race relations have changed a lot since 1965, since . the late 60s and early 70s, when you were growing up. can you think of any thing that symbolised that time in terms of race relations ? oh yeah, very race relations? oh yeah, very naen— race relations? oh yeah, very naen ea— race relations? oh yeah, very naen ea .— race relations? oh yeah, very much so . national- f , oh yeah, very much so . national front marches much so. national front marches . i much so. national front marches . i mean— much so. national front marches . i iaei— much so. national front marches . i mean, just that— much so. national front marches . i mean, just that was a iaagni. — . i mean, just that was a iaagni. i—

. i mean, just that was a draghi. i mean,- . i mean, just that was a draghi. i mean, there was one nanning— draghi. i mean, there was one running through— draghi. i mean, there was one running through south—east ienian— running through south—east ianian in— running through south—east london in lewisham in violence ani— london in lewisham in violence and nai— london in lewisham in violence and iai aiea— london in lewisham in violence and but also, i— london in lewisham in violence and but also, i mean, just einnie— and but also, i mean, just eingie naiv— and but also, i mean, just simple daily activities, you knew— simple daily activities, you knew ,— simple daily activities, you nnavv , i— simple daily activities, you know , i sometimes smile today know, i sometimes smile today vvnen— know, i sometimes smile today vvnen neagie— know, i sometimes smile today vvnen people eav— know, i sometimes smile today vvnen people eav ,— know, i sometimes smile today when people say , oh, that's when people say, oh, that's vaeiei. — when people say, oh, that's racist. when _ when people say, oh, that's racist. when somebody says eeneining— racist. when somebody says something about food or eaneining. — something about food or something. i— something about food or something. i don't know . something about food or something. i don't know. but aeiaaiiv— something. i don't know. but aeiaaiiv-in— something. i don't know. but actually,-in the- something. i don't know. but actually, in the day, no, actually, back in the day, no, nalvvae— actually, back in the day, no, no,.was-violence,| no, it was physical violence, eepeeiaiiv— no, it was physical violence, eeneeiaiiv in— no, it was physical violence, especially in south—east london. ieenie— especially in south—east london. people—peoplel people would chase you. people vaaii—iel would be knifed. there'd be igne—iaei would be knifed. there'd be igne—iae i would be knifed. there'd be- fights._bus , people fights. you get on a bus, people vvaaii— fights. you get on a bus, people vaaii epit— fights. you get on a bus, people would spit and— fights. you get on a bus, people would spit and sit— fights. you get on a bus, people would spit and sit in a different— would spit and sit in a different seat. i mean, it was it different seat. i mean, it was ii-ieaiiv.— different seat. i mean, it was ii-ieaiiv. nia— different seat. i mean, it was it-really. did that- different seat. i mean, it was it really. did that happen it was really. did that happen to it was really. did that happen tea—ai— it was really. did that happen ia—ai ineee- it was really. did that happen to of those things? to you or any of those things? vean— to you or any of those things? vean aii— to you or any of those things? yeah, all those— to you or any of those things? yeah, all those things, yeah. consistently— yeah, all those things, yeah. consistently and— yeah, all those things, yeah. consistently and continuously in the consistently and continuously in ine—veav- consistently and continuously in the _your motherj the early 70s. yeah your mother being— the early 70s. yeah your mother being even— the early 70s. yeah your mother ieing g,— the early 70s. yeah your mother being sworn at, know, race being sworn at, you know, race naiiai— being sworn at, you know, race traitor shouted _ being sworn at, you know, race traitor shouted out— being sworn at, you know, race traitor shouted out on the street. — traitor shouted out on the street. i— traitor shouted out on the street. i mean— traitor shouted out on the street. i mean it was. yeah, it paeiiv— street. i mean it was. yeah, it pieiav, nieiav— street. i mean it was. yeah, it was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. was pretty, pretty harin stuff. so was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so iive— was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so iiie i— was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so iiie i eav— was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so like i say, the— was pretty, pretty harsh stuff. so like i say, the modern day, needn— so like i say, the modern day, modern-racism - so like i say, the modern day, modern racism concerns modern day racism and concerns to modern day racism and concerns g_gg_ modern day racism and concerns ie—ne vea- modern day racism and concerns ie—ne vea inev- modern day racism and concernsi to_do you know what to me, i think. do you know what is iii— to me, i think. do you know what is iii ievgive— to me, i think. do you know what is it? forgive me,— to me, i think. do you know what is it? forgive me, but is it veaiiv— is it? forgive me, but is it veaiiv a— is it? forgive me, but is it really a thing— is it? forgive me, but is it really a thing that maybe it's iaei— really a thing that maybe it's just sensitivity?— really a thing that maybe it's just sensitivity? know, if just sensitivity? you know, if eaneieiv— just sensitivity? you know, if eaneieiv-iev- just sensitivity? you know, if- somebody-for example, somebody asks you, for example, the somebody asks you, for example, ine-iav— somebody asks you, for example, the-day somebody- somebody asks you, for example, the day somebody asked the other day somebody asked you,— the other day somebody asked vow-vou— the other day somebody asked van-vea nan - the other day somebody asked van-vea tan a. the other day somebody asked you, you from ? okay. you, where are you from? okay. is you, where are you from? okay. ie—a— you, where are you from? okay. ie—a iaeiei- you, where are you from? okay. is_a racist insult- is that really a racist insult or is that really a racist insult ev-iaei— is that really a racist insult ev-iaei a— is that really a racist insult or just a genuine inquiry or is it just a genuine inquiry or, or is it just a genuine inquiry vea— or is it just a genuine inquiry vaa inev,— or is it just a genuine inquiry or, you know, you— or is it just a genuine inquiry or, you know, you talked about a inat— or, you know, you talked about a inai veav— or, you know, you talked about a name that your mum was called

naiien — name that your mum was called race traitor. that's— name that your mum was called race traitor. that's that's extraordinary . and people you extraordinary. and people you said people spit at you. yeah. yeah. openly trip— said people spit at you. yeah. yeah. openly trip you- said people spit at you. yeah. yeah. openly trip you up- e yeah. yeah. openly trip you up on the nae— yeah. openly trip you up on the nae . — yeah. openly trip you up on the nae . ine— yeah. openly trip you up on the bus. the colour— yeah. openly trip you up on the bus. the colour of— yeah. openly trip you up on the bus. the colour of your skin. 100. yeah. you, you sit- 100. yeah. you, you sit down in a nanieaiai— 100. yeah. you, you sit down in a particular seat— 100. yeah. you, you sit down in a particular seat and you see people— a particular seat and you see aeaaie nave— a particular seat and you see people move away to another seat.— people move away to another eeai. i— people move away to another eeai. i mean— people move away to another seat. i mean, how— people move away to another seat. i mean, how does that make you— seat. i mean, how does that make vaa ieeie— seat. i mean, how does that make vaa ieeie — seat. i mean, how does that make vaa ieeie i— seat. i mean, how does that make you feel? i think— seat. i mean, how does that make you feel? i think when- seat. i mean, how does that make you feel? s "it; you feel? i think when you're young, i mean, look, to be an mp, you have to be pretty robust. you got to have pretty iniev— robust. you got to have pretty iniev evin— robust. you got to have pretty thick skin. so— robust. you got to have pretty thick skin. so i— you got to have pretty thick skin. so i think when vae— thick skin. so i think when vaa-ve-vaa- thick skin. so i think when. you're-you-really you're young, you don't really veaiiee— you're young, you don't really veaiieeiine— you're young, you don't really realise the sensitivities realise all the sensitivities aaana— realise all the sensitivities aaana ii.— realise all the sensitivities around it. now— realise all the sensitivities around it. now looking back, i ininn— around it. now looking back, i ininn-inai— around it. now looking back, i| think,-that-brutal. think, blimey, that was brutal. ine—inai- think, blimey, that was brutal. the _that brutali think, blimey, that was brutal.i the _that brutal to the idea of being that brutal to someone - a child - the idea of being that brutal to someone a child and someone who's just a child and to someone who's just a child and ia-ia— someone who's just a child and ia-ia ineii— someone who's just a child and to -to their mother. someone who's just a child and to to their mother in to them and to their mother in inani— to them and to their mother in front-children. - to them and to their mother in front-children. it's- front of the children. it's a aienv— front of the children. it's a pretty extreme— front of the children. it's a pretty extreme thing. so so vean— pretty extreme thing. so so yeah vean.— pretty extreme thing. so so yeah vean. nai— pretty extreme thing. so so yeah, yeah. but then maybe inane— yeah, yeah. but then maybe inai-e vnai— yeah, yeah. but then maybe that's what makes us who we are, you— that's what makes us who we are, vaa knavv— that's what makes us who we are, vaa knavv, vaa— that's what makes us who we are, you know, you have— that's what makes us who we are, you know, you have a background. iiavie— you know, you have a background. iiavie inane— you know, you have a background. maybe that's kind— you know, you have a background. maybe that's kind of what forges us maybe that's kind of what forges ae—ana- maybe that's kind of what forges ae—ana i- maybe that's kind of what forges ae—ana i thinkl us into who we are. and i think inat— us into who we are. and i think inai navae— us into who we are. and i think an navae nv— us into who we are. and i think that maybe my depher sense neenniene— that maybe my depher sense mechanisms go— that maybe my depher sense mechanisms go right. i need to get inta— mechanisms go right. i need to get inia a— mechanisms go right. i need to get into a position— mechanisms go right. i need to get into a position in life vvneve— get into a position in life vvneie i— get into a position in life where i have— get into a position in life where i have some degree of eannai— where i have some degree of eannai ave— where i have some degree of control over my— where i have some degree of control over my whether control over my life, whether inai-e— control over my life, whether that's financially— control over my life, whether that's financially by going to aaeineee—

that's financially by going to business initially or whether inane— business initially or whether inai-e iv— business initially or whether that's by making the of the that's by making the laws of the iana.— that's by making the laws of the iana-i— that's by making the laws of the tang. aiea— that's by making the laws of the land.-i also realise- that's by making the laws of the land. i also realise i had land. and i also realise i had to land. and i also realise i had ia-aaaiaiv— land. and i also realise i had to-doubly hard.- land. and i also realise i had to doubly hard. so i was to work doubly hard. so i was going— to work doubly hard. so i was gaing ia— to work doubly hard. so i was gaing ia-ia— to work doubly hard. so i was gaing ia-ia ine- to work doubly hard. so i was going to to the same going to i went to the same eenaai— going to i went to the same eenaai ae— going to i went to the same school as damilola taylor, aiviaaeiv— school as damilola taylor, obviously way— school as damilola taylor, obviously way before his time, vvnien— obviously way before his time, which_school,i obviously way before his time,- which_school, and which wasn't a great school, and i which wasn't a great school, and iiaei— which wasn't a great school, and i iaei i— which wasn't a great school, and ijust i remember— which wasn't a great school, and i just i remember sitting which wasn't a great school, and ijust i remember sitting on which wasn't a great school, and i just i remember sitting on the pavement,— i just i remember sitting on the pavement i— i just i remember sitting on the pavement, i was— i just i remember sitting on the pavement, i was about 8 or 9 vean— pavement, i was about 8 or 9 veaie ain— pavement, i was about 8 or 9 years old sitting— pavement, i was about 8 or 9 years old sitting down and going,— years old sitting down and gaing-neii- years old sitting down and going,-hell am. years old sitting down and going, hell am i years old sitting down and- going,-hell am i going going, how the hell am i going get going, how the hell am i going gei nveeii— going, how the hell am i going gei nveeii aaa— going, how the hell am i going get myself out this? and get myself out of this? and a aeeieian— get myself out of this? and a aeeieian i— get myself out of this? and a decision i made,— get myself out of this? and a decision i made, which i stick viin— decision i made, which i stick vviin iaaav— decision i made, which i stick with today-do— decision i made, which i stick with today do you know what? with today is do you know what? i'm with today is do you know what? in -gaing— with today is do you know what? i-n-gainglvavk- with today is do you know what? i'm going work hard. i'm i'm just going to work hard. i'm not i'm just going to work hard. i'm nai-vaa-ie— i'm just going to work hard. i'm not you're brightest. not saying you're the brightest. i'm not saying you're the brightest. in gang— not saying you're the brightest. i-n gaing-veaiiv- not saying you're the brightest. i'm going really hard, i'm going to work really hard, nage— i'm going to work really hard, nanagelgea— i'm going to work really hard, manage . get into - i'm going to work really hard, manage get into a grammar manage to get into a grammar eenaai,— manage to get into a grammar school, managed— manage to get into a grammar school, managed into school, managed to get into aniveveiiv— school, managed to get into university, worked hard in aaeineee— business, worked hard in panties.— business, worked hard in aaiiiiee—ii business, worked hard in- politics—it kind politics. and it kind of it kind of politics. and it kind of it kind at kine— politics. and it kind of it kind at kina ai— politics. and it kind of it kind of kind of comes— politics. and it kind of it kind of kind of comes through in the end. — of kind of comes through in the end. again.— of kind of comes through in the ena. again. in— of kind of comes through in the end. again, in this— of kind of comes through in the end. again, in this 13- of kind of comes through in the end. 9? " " �*1’5 of kind of comes through in the end. 9? " " �*3 end. again, in this 13 year old interview, i, i don't know if you're willing to expand on something your something you said about your mum called gwen . she you mum called gwen. she brought you up alone, as you said, and you said that she was my rock, the gel at the centre of my life . gel at the centre of my life. although her tumultuous relationship with different men made for a constant state of flux at the boundaries of our

family . can you tell me it's family. can you tell me it's quite a when i read it, it was like, oh gosh, that sounds challenging. it like, oh gosh, that sounds challenging . it . i think like, oh gosh, that sounds challenging. it. i think a like, oh gosh, that sounds challenging . it . i think a lot challenging. it. i think a lot of challenging. it. i think a lot at aeaaie— challenging. it. i think a lot of people there— challenging. it. i think a lot of people there are- fg g it. i think a lot of people there are more people in— of people there are more people in eingie— of people there are more people now in single households than ineie— now in single households than aneve aeea— now in single households than there used to— now in single households than there used to be. _ now in single households than there used to be. iii" " there used to be. even when i was younger. i think that it can be challenging. it can be challenging, but i think at the heart of it, as think i've heart of it, as i think i've said there, is that she was always the and she was the always the rock and she was the centre of our lives. and in a way she gave us our gave us our strength. so although there were challenges, and lots of challenges, liz and lots of change, actually, i think i think she was the solidity, if you like. she was the she was the rock and that made it. yeah it made it. it made it a positive, if you like. rather than a negative. it builds character. did than a negative. it builds character . did you always have character. did you always have iaaa— character. did you always have iaaa an— character. did you always have iaaa an ine— character. did you always have food on the table?— ff did you always have food on the table? enough food on food on the table? enough food an ine— food on the table? enough food on the table?— food on the table? enough food on the table? no. _ food on the table? enough food on the table? no. , \i:::i food on the table? enough food on the table? no. , \vi:::i \vi:::i on the table? no. always? no. no clothes. on the table? no. always? no. no eiaanes. naving— on the table? no. always? no. no clothes. having the— on the table? no. always? no. no clothes. having the right- clothes. having the right eiainee. — clothes. having the right eiainee. i— clothes. having the right clothes. i say— f having the right clothes. i say this because it reminds— clothes. i say this because it reminds me— clothes. i say this because it reminds me of— clothes. i say this because it reminds me of growing up when

ineve-e— reminds me of growing up when ineie-e nai— reminds me of growing up when there's not much— reminds me of growing up when there's not much money around ana— there's not much money around and i— there's not much money around and i inink— there's not much money around and i anink i— there's not much money around and i think i probably spend too naen— and i think i probably spend too naen nanev— and i think i probably spend too naen nanev an— and i think i probably spend too much money on clothes now. not not much money on clothes now. not nai posh— much money on clothes now. not nai aasn anes— much money on clothes now. not not posh ones, but— much money on clothes now. not not posh ones, but just have too nanv— not posh ones, but just have too nanv names.— not posh ones, but just have too many clothes. just— not posh ones, but just have too many clothes. just because i aneve— many clothes. just because i aneve asna— many clothes. just because i there wasn't enough money for me to there wasn't enough money for me ia nave— there wasn't enough money for me ia nave nanv— there wasn't enough money for me to have many clothes when i was gnawing— to have many clothes when i was gnawing an.— to have many clothes when i was gnaving an. ane— to have many clothes when i was growing up. are there things inat— growing up. are there things inai nave— growing up. are there things that have—like. growing up. are there things- that have—like that? that have shaped you like that? vean.— that have shaped you like that? vean. i— that have shaped you like that? vean. i think— that have shaped you like that? yeah, i think so.— that have shaped you like that? yeah, i think so. so— that have shaped you like that? yeah, i think so. so again,- yeah, i think so. so again, being. being non—white, being a bit of an outsider anyway, and then coming from a fairly , you then coming from a fairly, you know, not an affluent background , i think, but i think that that solidity side, if like my solidity side, if you like my drive make sure that anyone drive to make sure that anyone from kind of background or from that kind of background or a similar background has opportunities so if you opportunities you know so if you look at the things i do i've been doing in parliament, aside from the front bench stuff, initially, it's basically trying to people who to make sure that people who come from more challenging backgrounds opportunity backgrounds have the opportunity not of the colour not just because of the colour of or because of of their skin or because of their background, because if their background, but because if they make some effort, work hard, best, that hard, do their best, that actually open to actually the gates are open to them. i suppose a way them. and i suppose in a way becoming first black becoming the first black conservative helped to conservative mp that helped to open the gateway open the door the gateway for others coming to the end of

others to coming to the end of the interview, you made your millions so nobody can say silver spoon in your mouth, but you made your millions of pounds . self—made but in december last vean— . self—made but in december last vean vaa— . self—made but in december last vean vaa vvene— self—made but in december last year you were declared bankrupt due year you were declared bankrupt aae ia— year you were declared bankrupt aae ia aeins— year you were declared bankrupt aae ia aeins .— year you were declared bankrupt due to debts . of— year you were declared bankrupt due to debts . of £1.7 million year you were declared bankrupt due to debts. of £1.7 million . due to debts. of £1.7 million. nav— due to debts. of £1.7 million. nav aaes— due to debts. of £1.7 million. nav aaes ii— due to debts. of £1.7 million. how does it happen? and how does it ieei— how does it happen? and how does it ieei ia— how does it happen? and how does it feel to happen?— how does it happen? and how does it feel to happen? you tell me. n..— it feel to happen? you tell me. in aaa— it feel to happen? you tell me. in bat na— it feel to happen? you tell me. in bat na .— it feel to happen? you tell me. in bat na . sa— it feel to happen? you tell me. no, but no . so basically,- it feel to happen? you tell me. no, but no . so basically, i- no, but no. so basically, i think it's very hard to marry politics and business together because everything i'd ever created, i had started and there were several businesses out there. you're like a sitting duckin there. you're like a sitting duck in politics, so you can't fight back. so when people undertake commercial challenges , when people go for to try to put pressure on you because you're an mp and they know you can't answer and you can't run the businesses, it makes it pretty difficult. but but equally, you know, at the end of the if you're an the day, if you're an entrepreneur, you risks and entrepreneur, you take risks and quite frankly, you i must have

paid 20 or 30 million in tax over my lifetime through the businesses with thousand businesses with a thousand staff. for the staff. so that's good for the country. equally you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk equally you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and equally you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and thisally you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and this isy you take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and this is the ou take staff. so that's good for the cou risk and this is the points the risk and this is the point. you take the risk and therefore you take the hit. if it goes wrong, even if you can't control it. know, it's that's it. so, you know, it's that's the that's the nature of being an entrepreneur. but that's what makes that's an entrepreneur. but that's what make creates that's an entrepreneur. but that's what makecreates employment. that's what creates employment. that's what creates employment. that's what cheaper what creates cheaper goods and services so services for other people. so i'm actually looking i'm actually quite looking forward back to the forward to getting back to the world technology and business world of technology and business after and after politics to try and rebuild, rebuild our family fortunes. of course, you're not standing— fortunes. of course, you're not standing ai— fortunes. of course, you're not standing at the— of course, you're not standing at the election. standing at the next election. aaan— standing at the next election. aaan ainivie— standing at the next election. adam afriyie that was one of my iavaaniie— adam afriyie that was one of my favourite real— adam afriyie that was one of my favourite real me— adam afriyie that was one of my favourite real me interviews . favourite real me interviews. on— favourite real me interviews. on, anank— favourite real me interviews. on, inank vaa.— favourite real me interviews. oh, thank you. thank you so much . ii— oh, thank you. thank you so much . ii vaa— oh, thank you. thank you so much . ii vaa even— oh, thank you. thank you so much . ii vaa gea— oh, thank you. thank you so much . if you ever get fed— oh, thank you. thank you so much . if you ever get fed up- oh, thank you. thank you so much . if you ever get fed up with this, you can be a psychotherapy list. coming up, labour's andrew evvnne— list. coming up, labour's andrew evvvnne in. — list. coming up, labour's andrew svvvnne in. i— list. coming up, labour's andrew gwynne in. i think— list. coming up, labour's andrew gwynne in. i think it's- list. coming up, labour's andrew gwynne in. i think it's a- c coming up, labour's andrew gwynne in. jig gwynne in. i think it's a big part of why i feel good . part of why i feel good. obviously there is some kind of chemical imbalance going on in my body and the pills help to fix it. my gp's not concerned about me having been on them now for some time. coming up,

conservative mp elliot colburn. there are practises pseudo neiigiaas— there are practises pseudo religious and— there are practises pseudo religious and pseudo psychological practises that are siiii— psychological practises that are saiii naaaening— psychological practises that are still happening today. psychological practises that are still happening today . dressed still happening today. dressed up still happening today. dressed aa as— still happening today. dressed up as legitimate— still happening today. dressed up as legitimate therapy which seek— up as legitimate therapy which seek ia— up as legitimate therapy which seek to change— up as legitimate therapy which seek to change someone's iaeniiiv— seek to change someone's iaeniiiv .— seek to change someone's identity . and— seek to change someone's identity . and that's what i identity. and that's what i aan-i— identity. and that's what i don't think— identity. and that's what i don't think is— identity. and that's what i don't think is right.

now, that would be effectively the end of international gb news fan. and i was before i was . fan. and i was before i was. ananev— fan. and i was before i was. andrew gwynne,— and i was before i was. andrew gwynne, labour mp, shadow iiinisien— andrew gwynne, labour mp, shadow iiinisien nan— andrew gwynne, labour mp, shadow minister for public— andrew gwynne, labour mp, shadow minister for public health. /i:::i. minister for public health. you eieeaea— minister for public health. you were elected in— minister for public health. you were elected in 2005. - minister for public health. you were elected in 2005. this- minister for public health. you were elected in 2005. this is mental health awareness week. as you will know. so when we spoke at the end of 2021, you told me that you only felt good because you take antidepressants . yes, you take antidepressants. yes, we're nearly 18 months on from that. we're nearly 18 months on from that . how is we're nearly 18 months on from that. how is your mental health today? well, my mental health is iniiiiani.— today? well, my mental health is ianiiiiani. i— today? well, my mental health is brilliant. i wake— today? well, my mental health is brilliant. i wake up— today? well, my mental health is brilliant. i wake up ,_ 3“ well, my mental health is brilliant. i wake up , feel brilliant. i wake up, feel nannnai— brilliant. i wake up, feel normal, whatever normal is eneenv— normal, whatever normal is eneenv sein— normal, whatever normal is cheery self get— normal, whatever normal is cheery self get on with the day

. aaining— cheery self get on with the day . nothing troubles— cheery self get on with the day . nothing troubles me . well, . nothing troubles me. well, ainasi— . nothing troubles me. well, almost nothing— . nothing troubles me. well, almost nothing ._ . nothing troubles me. well, almost nothing . and it is great almost nothing. and it is great to almost nothing. and it is great ia nave— almost nothing. and it is great ia nave nv— almost nothing. and it is great to have my life— almost nothing. and it is great to have my life back . ' ”it; to have my life back. are you saiii— to have my life back. are you still taking antidepressants? i am , yeah. and do you think that am, yeah. and do you think that is why you feel good? i think it's a big is why you feel good? i think its a big aan— is why you feel good? i think it's a big part of— is why you feel good? i think it's a big part of why- is why you feel good? i think it's a big part of why i- 33“ i think it's a big part of why i feel gaaa— it's a big part of why i feel gaaa .— it's a big part of why i feel good . obviously, there is some good. obviously, there is some nna— good. obviously, there is some kind ai— good. obviously, there is some kind of chemical— good. obviously, there is some kind of chemical imbalance going on kind of chemical imbalance going an in— kind of chemical imbalance going an in nv— kind of chemical imbalance going an in nv naiv— kind of chemical imbalance going on in my body and— kind of chemical imbalance going on in my body and the pills help to on in my body and the pills help ia nix— on in my body and the pills help ia fix in— on in my body and the pills help ia fix in inv— on in my body and the pills help to fix it. my gp's— on in my body and the pills help to fix it. my gp's not concerned aiaai— to fix it. my gp's not concerned aaaaa ne— to fix it. my gp's not concerned about me having— to fix it. my gp's not concerned about me having been on them now for about me having been on them now ian sae— about me having been on them now ian gm..— about me having been on them now for some time, she— about me having been on them now for some time, she says . if it's for some time, she says. if it's wanking,— for some time, she says. if it's wanking, its— for some time, she says. if it's working, it's working and you knavv— working, it's working and you know, iii— working, it's working and you know, i'll take— working, it's working and you know, i'll take her advice on it ana— know, i'll take her advice on it and ii— know, i'll take her advice on it and ii is— know, i'll take her advice on it and it is working.— know, i'll take her advice on it and it is working. but this also iiving— and it is working. but this also iiving in— and it is working. but this also living in happier— and it is working. but this also living in happier times . things living in happier times. things are living in happier times. things gaing— living in happier times. things gaing veii— living in happier times. things gaing veii ,— living in happier times. things are going well , so all of those are going well, so all of those inings— are going well, so all of those inings give— are going well, so all of those inings give vaa— are going well, so all of those things give you a— are going well, so all of those things give you a personal boost anvvav. — things give you a personal boost anvvav. nave— things give you a personal boost anvvav. nave vaa— things give you a personal boost anyway. have you tried talking inenaav— anyway. have you tried talking inenaav e— anyway. have you tried talking inenaav a i— anyway. have you tried talking therapy ? i have— anyway. have you tried talking therapy ? i have ._ anyway. have you tried talking therapy ? i have . one of the therapy? i have. one of the inings— therapy? i have. one of the inings inat— therapy? i have. one of the things that john— therapy? i have. one of the things that john bercow introduced— things that john bercow introduced when he was speaker was introduced when he was speaker gneaien— introduced when he was speaker was greater mental health awareness amongst members of

naniianena— awareness amongst members of naniianeni ana— awareness amongst members of parliament and when i was a aanieaian— parliament and when i was a particular low— parliament and when i was a particular low point , parliament and when i was a particular low point, i was aineeiea— particular low point, i was aineeiea av— particular low point, i was directed by the _ particular low point, i was directed by the house of commons neaiin— directed by the house of commons neaiin iean — directed by the house of commons neaiin iean ia— directed by the house of commons health team to go— directed by the house of commons health team to go and try some iaiking— health team to go and try some talking therapies— health team to go and try some talking therapies ._ health team to go and try some talking therapies . and i don't talking therapies. and i don't knavv— talking therapies. and i don't know whether— talking therapies. and i don't know whether it— talking therapies. and i don't know whether it works or not. it a iii— know whether it works or not. it was a bit awkward— know whether it works or not. it was a bit awkward from time to time— was a bit awkward from time to time taking— was a bit awkward from time to time talking about i suppose aaing— time talking about i suppose we're doing it— time talking about i suppose we're doing it now, talking aaaaa— we're doing it now, talking aaaaa vaan— we're doing it now, talking about your, your circumstances , about your, your circumstances, vaan— about your, your circumstances, vaan neniai— about your, your circumstances, your mental health. it wasn't a game— your mental health. it wasn't a game enangen— your mental health. it wasn't a game changer for— your mental health. it wasn't a game changer for me in the way ng— game changer for me in the way na i— game changer for me in the way na i is— game changer for me in the way na i is fan— game changer for me in the way that it is for some— game changer for me in the way that it is for some people , but that it is for some people, but senainiv— that it is for some people, but senainiv i— that it is for some people, but certainly i think— that it is for some people, but certainly i think it's commendable that the house of commons, as a place of work , commons, as a place of work, aiiens— commons, as a place of work, aiiens a— commons, as a place of work, offers a whole— commons, as a place of work, offers a whole range of treatments, _ offers a whole range of treatments, not just to members of parliament,— treatments, not just to members of parliament, but— treatments, not just to members of parliament, but also to aeaaie— of parliament, but also to aeaaie vna— of parliament, but also to people who work there, either as inns— people who work there, either as inns stain— people who work there, either as inns siaii an— people who work there, either as mps, staff or work— people who work there, either as mps, staff or work for parliament- mps, staff or work for parliament itself . and that's parliament itself. and that's vvnai— parliament itself. and that's vnai gaaa— parliament itself. and that's what good employers should do . what good employers should do. and i— what good employers should do. and i think— what good employers should do. and i think that— what good employers should do. and i think that though- what good employers should do. and i think that though there are brave and courageous members

of parliament like yourself, i can think of jonathan gullis on the on the tory side who have spoken out about their own challenges . personally, i think challenges. personally, i think that's the tip of the iceberg and other people still don't feel able to speak out in the way that some have . when you way that some have. when you spoke out, did some people talk to you privately? obviously it's totally confidential. they don't want to know who they were. but did did it help other did they say did it help other people to open up about their own struggles? it did. i was eanaaeaea— own struggles? it did. i was eanaaeiea av— own struggles? it did. i was contacted by email,- 33“ it did. i was contacted by email, text contacted by email, by text nessaeg ana— contacted by email, by text message, and stopped in the eannaans— message, and stopped in the corridors of— message, and stopped in the corridors of power by colleagues on corridors of power by colleagues an aaan — corridors of power by colleagues an aaan siaes— corridors of power by colleagues on both sides of— corridors of power by colleagues on both sides of the house. a to say— on both sides of the house. a to sav nav— on both sides of the house. a to say how refreshing— on both sides of the house. a to say how refreshing they found me aaiking— say how refreshing they found me iaiking aiaaa— say how refreshing they found me talking about my— say how refreshing they found me talking about my own mental neaian— talking about my own mental neaian aaa— talking about my own mental health, but also— talking about my own mental health, but also to say i'm going— health, but also to say i'm gaing innaagn— health, but also to say i'm going through something similar and going through something similar ana inan— going through something similar and from time— going through something similar and from time to— going through something similar and from time to time i do see aeaaie— and from time to time i do see aeaaie vnene— and from time to time i do see aeaaie vvnene i— and from time to time i do see people where i can— and from time to time i do see people where i can see the signs ng— people where i can see the signs anaa inev-ne— people where i can see the signs that they're struggling a little bit. that they're struggling a little in. ana— that they're struggling a little

an. ant iii— that they're struggling a little bit. and i'll go— that they're struggling a little bit. and i'll go over and just put— bit. and i'll go over and just put my— bit. and i'll go over and just eat nv nana— bit. and i'll go over and just eat nv nana an— bit. and i'll go over and just put my hand on the shoulder and nave— put my hand on the shoulder and nave a— put my hand on the shoulder and nave a iinie— put my hand on the shoulder and have a little private chat with inen. — have a little private chat with them. remind— have a little private chat with them. remind me , when did you them. remind me, when did you insa— them. remind me, when did you iinsa seek— them. remind me, when did you first seek help— them. remind me, when did you first seek help for— them. remind me, when did you first seek help for your depression? - first seek help for your depression? 3 first seek help for your depression? (ting at; first seek help for your- depression? how long are we talking? oh , you're depression? (ting "g? oh , you're getting on talking? oh, you're getting on for talking? oh, you're getting on fan a— talking? oh, you're getting on fan a decade— talking? oh, you're getting on for a decade now. _ talking? oh, you're getting on for a decade now. so- "g? oh, you're getting on for a decade now. so i've struggled with my mental health for a long period of time . but for a long period of time. but where it really tipped me over the edge was in 2010 when i had a pulmonary embolism and i was in my 30s, almost died with a young family. and that does kind of hit you like a tonne of bncks. of hit you like a tonne of bricks . and it was for bricks. and it was for a probably a couple of years after that. i struggled on and it reached the stage where i felt really, really unwell. and that's where i took advice from the parliamentary health team and things rolled from there. i don't know if this is too personal. you said you felt neaiiv— personal. you said you felt really unwell. _ you said you felt really unwell. symptoms are you ate— really unwell. symptoms are you aiie aa— really unwell. symptoms are you able to disclose— really unwell. symptoms are you able to disclose any of the aanieaian— able to disclose any of the particular symptoms when you noggin,— particular symptoms when you anaagni, vaa— particular symptoms when you thought, you know, this is i

need— thought, you know, this is i need ia— thought, you know, this is i need ia gei— thought, you know, this is i need to get some help? cnaneniii— need to get some help? churchill talked- need to get some help? churchill talked about the black dog.the churchill talked about the black dog. the black dog is a thing, right? this cloud descends right? just this cloud descends on you and you can't get your mind straight about anything. everything is even trivial. things just seem insurmountable . and you want to give up now, to be fair, i've never felt suicidal idol. i've never felt that i wanted to end my life because i had three children, beautiful wife. you know, those things probably kept me in the game. but at my lowest points, i had absolutely nothing going for me . even the fact that i've got me. even the fact that i've got the best job in the world representing the town where i've always lived, grown up, gone to school, brought my own family up, real privilege to up, a real privilege to represent your hometown in parliament. you know, that in itself is a privilege. but none of it meant anything because i was right on the floor. for anyone who feels like- ” g cit" for anyone who feels like that, . g iii" for anyone who feels like that, who is vaaening — anyone who feels like that, who is watching this— anyone who feels like that, who is watching this program , what's is watching this program, what's the is watching this program, what's ine aest— is watching this program, what's ine nest piece—

is watching this program, what's the best piece of— is watching this program, what's the best piece of advice you can give— the best piece of advice you can give anem— the best piece of advice you can give anen a — the best piece of advice you can give them ? seek— the best piece of advice you can give them ? i: give them? seek help. and it's not easy. firstly, it's not easy to recognise that you are at the lowest point because you always feel that there's still another rung , that you can you can go rung, that you can you can go down and the worry is that that rung might be the rung that is the suicidal rung . so don't let the suicidal rung. so don't let it get that far. if you are feeling miserable, if you feel that cloud is there, the black dog , try and do something about dog, try and do something about it. and there is help there. there is organisation options out there and there are people that will listen that will help, that will listen that will help, that will listen that will help, that will point you in the right direction. please use them . direction. please use them. labour's andrew gwynne attended the coronation— labour's andrew gwynne attended the coronation ceremony here aiaaa— the coronation ceremony here aiaaa inat— the coronation ceremony here about that after— the coronation ceremony here about that after the break. i'm gaiae— about that after the break. i'm gaiae sae— about that after the break. i'm quite sure that— about that after the break. i'm quite sure that there will be a sizeaiie— quite sure that there will be a sizeable number— quite sure that there will be a sizeable number of people that viii— sizeable number of people that viii gaiae— sizeable number of people that will quite like— sizeable number of people that will quite like to— sizeable number of people that will quite like to see president ianage— will quite like to see president ianage an— will quite like to see president farage or president johnson . farage or president johnson. in— farage or president johnson. in naa— farage or president johnson. in not ane— farage or president johnson. i'm not one of— farage or president johnson. i'm not one of them.-

farage or president johnson. i'm not one of them. i- farage or president johnson. i'm not one of them. i wouldn't mind to see president blair, but i know there is a sizeable number of people that would say, you know, not my president , but you know, not my president, but i think a constitutional monarchy is the best fit for the united kingdom .

tv, radio and online. monday to inansaav— tv, radio and online. monday to inansaav inan— tv, radio and online. monday to thursday from 9— tv, radio and online. monday to thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. an en— thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. an en nevs— thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on gb news. the— thursday from 9 pm. to 11 pm. on gb news. the people's. cnannei— on gb news. the people's. channel what— on gb news. the people's. channel what you've just aeseniiea— channel what you've just described is— channel what you've just described is very happy because you described is very happy because vaa nave— described is very happy because you have shown— described is very happy because you have shown how to live kyiv witn— you have shown how to live kyiv with depression— you have shown how to live kyiv with depression and you don't nave— with depression and you don't have depression— with depression and you don't have depression now because vave— have depression now because vave saagna— have depression now because you've sought help and sought aneaanena. — you've sought help and sought treatment. so— you've sought help and sought treatment. “el: treatment. so we've just had the coronation on. yeah, you were one of the tiny number of labour mps who got in westminster abbey to see the drama . yeah, it was to see the drama. yeah, it was like a like a sort of raffle really, wasn't it? entering a raffle and you got a winning ticket? i raffle and you got a winning ticket ? i did. i felt like ticket? i did. i felt like cnaniie— ticket? i did. i felt like charlie bucket- f“ i did. i felt like charlie bucket in charlie and the chocolate— charlie bucket in charlie and the chocolate factory with his gaiaen— the chocolate factory with his golden ticket,— the chocolate factory with his golden ticket, you know, in iaseii— golden ticket, you know, in iaseii ane—

golden ticket, you know, in itself the invite— golden ticket, you know, in itself the invite is beautiful , itself the invite is beautiful, it's hand—painted and it's got the it's hand—painted and it's got ine gneen— it's hand—painted and it's got ane gneen nan— it's hand—painted and it's got the green man and it's got all the green man and it's got all ine iiavens— the green man and it's got all the flowers of— the green man and it's got all the flowers of the— the green man and it's got all the flowers of the united vingaan— the flowers of the united vingaan .— the flowers of the united kingdom . and it's it. i'm kingdom. and it's it. i'm getting— kingdom. and it's it. i'm getting it— kingdom. and it's it. i'm getting it framed because it's saneining— getting it framed because it's something that— getting it framed because it's something that you want to keep ianeven naa— something that you want to keep forever. but the _ something that you want to keep forever. but the event itself, i its— forever. but the event itself, i its vast— forever. but the event itself, i mean, it's just britain at its beg,— mean, it's just britain at its best, isn-a— mean, it's just britain at its best, isn't it?— mean, it's just britain at its best, isn't it? we- mean, it's just britain at its best, isn't it? we do pomp and eeav ana— best, isn't it? we do pomp and ceremony and with a wonderful eaenene— ceremony and with a wonderful eaenene as— ceremony and with a wonderful experience as you _ ceremony and with a wonderful experience as you know, in nisaanie— experience as you know, in historic westminster abbey, a cananaaian— historic westminster abbey, a coronation ceremony that dates back— coronation ceremony that dates back aa— coronation ceremony that dates back to william— coronation ceremony that dates back to william the conqueror . back to william the conqueror. just— back to william the conqueror. just magnificent— back to william the conqueror. just magnificent ._ back to william the conqueror. just magnificent . you know, some just magnificent. you know, some on just magnificent. you know, some an ine— just magnificent. you know, some an ine ieia— just magnificent. you know, some on the left would— just magnificent. you know, some on the left would say it is anaanena— on the left would say it is anathema. _ on the left would say it is anathema . the- on the left would say it is anathema. wig on the left would say it is anathema. "it ”fit on the left would say it is anathema. ”viii on the left would say it is- anathema . the very fact that we anathema. the very fact that we have a monarchy is anathema to the concept that people work their way up. nothing should be a birthright . what do you say to a birthright. what do you say to them on a logical level, i get them on a logical level, i get the arguments . but look, we are

the arguments. but look, we are a constitutional— gig. but look, we are a constitutional monarchy . this a constitutional monarchy. this is ane— a constitutional monarchy. this is ine svsaen— a constitutional monarchy. this is the system that— a constitutional monarchy. this is the system that we've got. i aan-a— is the system that we've got. i aan-a sense— is the system that we've got. i don't sense that— is the system that we've got. i don't sense that there is a gneai— don't sense that there is a gneai aaaaian— don't sense that there is a great popular push, certainly not great popular push, certainly naa in— great popular push, certainly naa in nv— great popular push, certainly not in my constituency , for a not in my constituency, for a enange— not in my constituency, for a enange ia — not in my constituency, for a change to that. _ not in my constituency, for a change to that. and on one even— change to that. and on one level, i— change to that. and on one level, i actually— change to that. and on one level, i actually quite like not naving— level, i actually quite like not naving a— level, i actually quite like not having a political— level, i actually quite like not having a political head of state.— having a political head of state. i— having a political head of state. i don't— having a political head of state. i don't know what cnanies-s— state. i don't know what charles's political views are, ana— charles's political views are, and i— charles's political views are, and i aan-a— charles's political views are, and i don't want— charles's political views are, and i don't want to know what cnanies-s— and i don't want to know what charles's political— and i don't want to know what charles's political views are . charles's political views are. he is— charles's political views are. he is anene— charles's political views are. he is there to— charles's political views are. he is there to serve the nation, ine— he is there to serve the nation, the commonwealth, the commonwealth realms , and he will commonwealth realms, and he will nave— commonwealth realms, and he will nave aa— commonwealth realms, and he will nave ia vant— commonwealth realms, and he will have to work with— commonwealth realms, and he will have to work with prime ninisaens— have to work with prime ministers in— have to work with prime ministers in the uk and across ine— ministers in the uk and across ine ainen— ministers in the uk and across the other realms— ministers in the uk and across the other realms and territories , ana— the other realms and territories , ana ng— the other realms and territories , and that will— the other realms and territories , and that will be— the other realms and territories , and that will be of differing aaiiiieai— , and that will be of differing political persuasions and do inat— political persuasions and do anaa vianin— political persuasions and do that within a _ political persuasions and do that within a constitutional inanevvank— that within a constitutional inanevvank .— that within a constitutional framework . the problem with an framework. the problem with an eieeiea— framework. the problem with an eieeaea nean— framework. the problem with an elected head of— framework. the problem with an elected head of state is that at any— elected head of state is that at anv ane— elected head of state is that at anv tine— elected head of state is that at any one time half— elected head of state is that at any one time half of the country is against— any one time half of the country is against them— any one time half of the country is against them ._ any one time half of the country is against them . you know, i'm is against them. you know, i'm gaiae— is against them. you know, i'm gaiae sae— is against them. you know, i'm quite sure that— is against them. you know, i'm quite sure that there will be a sizeaiie— quite sure that there will be a sizeable number— quite sure that there will be a sizeable number of people that vvaaia— sizeable number of people that vaaia gaiae— sizeable number of people that would quite like— sizeable number of people that would quite like to see president— would quite like to see president farage or president iannsan— president farage or president iannsan .— president farage or president iannsan . in— president farage or president johnson . i'm not— president farage or president

johnson . i'm not one of them. johnson. i'm not one of them. i vvaaian-a— johnson. i'm not one of them. i wouldn't mind— johnson. i'm not one of them. i wouldn't mind to— johnson. i'm not one of them. i wouldn't mind to see president gig..— wouldn't mind to see president gun, aaa— wouldn't mind to see president gun, aaa i— wouldn't mind to see president blair, but i know— wouldn't mind to see president blair, but i know there is a sizeaaie— blair, but i know there is a sizeable number of people that vvaaia— sizeable number of people that vaaia savv— sizeable number of people that vaaia sav, vaa— sizeable number of people that would say, you know, not my anesiaena— would say, you know, not my anesiaena .— would say, you know, not my anesiaena . n,— would say, you know, not my president . it, i— would say, you know, not my president . it, i think a president. it, i think a constitutional monarchy is the nest— constitutional monarchy is the nest tia— constitutional monarchy is the test ii an— constitutional monarchy is the best fit for the _ constitutional monarchy is the best fit for the united kingdom. ana— best fit for the united kingdom. anna in— best fit for the united kingdom. anna in naai— best fit for the united kingdom. and i'm proud to— best fit for the united kingdom. and i'm proud to have played a snaii— and i'm proud to have played a snaii ana— and i'm proud to have played a small and insignificant part in the coronation— small and insignificant part in the coronation ceremony. wow neaaiiiai— the coronation ceremony. wow neaaiiiai ,— the coronation ceremony. wow beautiful , beautiful. beautiful, beautiful. final gaesaian— beautiful, beautiful. final gaesaian .— beautiful, beautiful. final question . you— beautiful, beautiful. final question . you have a big job for question. you have a big job for the labour party. you're on the front bench as shadow for minister public health. you'd like to be the country's minister for public health. i imagine it happens. certainly not in the bag. but imagine labour wins the election. you're walking at whitehall , you're walking at whitehall, you're going and sitting behind your desk as a health minister. what's the first thing you want to do? well, i think firstly the nasa— to do? well, i think firstly the fast ng— to do? well, i think firstly the fast anaa n— to do? well, i think firstly the fact that it is— to do? well, i think firstly the fact that it is a— i:ii:i7 well, i think firstly the fact that it is a prospect, it's naa— fact that it is a prospect, it's naa in— fact that it is a prospect, it's naa in ine— fact that it is a prospect, it's not in the bag,— fact that it is a prospect, it's not in the bag, but it is a anasaeei— not in the bag, but it is a prospect shows- not in the bag, but it is a prospect shows just how far the aaaaan— prospect shows just how far the aaiaan nanv— prospect shows just how far the labour party has— prospect shows just how far the labour party has come in a short penan— labour party has come in a short aeniai ai— labour party has come in a short aeniaa at time— labour party has come in a short period of time and— labour party has come in a short period of time and i don't think we give— period of time and i don't think we give enaagn— period of time and i don't think we give enough credit to keir

stamen— we give enough credit to keir starmer.pushing- we give enough credit to keir starmer pushing through some starmer for pushing through some very starmer for pushing through some venv—ana— starmer for pushing through some venv—ana enangingl very clear reforms and changing our very clear reforms and changing aan-ana— very clear reforms and changing aan-ana getting- very clear reforms and changing our-and getting it- very clear reforms and changing our and getting it back in our party and getting it back in the our party and getting it back in ine game— our party and getting it back in ine gane .— our party and getting it back in ane gane . ana— our party and getting it back in the game . and the thing for me the game. and the thing for me is getting— the game. and the thing for me is getting prevention embedded, not is getting prevention embedded, naa tast— is getting prevention embedded, naa iasa in— is getting prevention embedded, nai iasa in ne— is getting prevention embedded, not just in the department for team— not just in the department for neaian ana— not just in the department for health and social care, but across government departments . across government departments. neaase— across government departments. neaase anni— across government departments. because until we— across government departments. because until we tackle the ingnainea— because until we tackle the ingrained health inequalities ng— ingrained health inequalities anaa ane— ingrained health inequalities anaa tan— ingrained health inequalities that are far too— ingrained health inequalities that are far too prevalent in aaa— that are far too prevalent in aaa nanv— that are far too prevalent in too many communities across ingianai— too many communities across ingiana, vve— too many communities across ingiana, ve ane— too many communities across england, we are not going to tastie— england, we are not going to taskie sae— england, we are not going to tackle some of— england, we are not going to tackle some of the key issues ng— tackle some of the key issues anaa aase— tackle some of the key issues that face communities in this eaantnv— that face communities in this countryv ana— that face communities in this country, and that— that face communities in this country, and that means having beaten— country, and that means having better housing,— country, and that means having better housing, better environment, cleaner air, better ieisane— environment, cleaner air, better leisure facilities,— environment, cleaner air, better leisure facilities, better care for leisure facilities, better care ian ine — leisure facilities, better care for the elderly,— leisure facilities, better care for the elderly, better education, _ for the elderly, better education, job opportunities, naming,— education, job opportunities, training, better— education, job opportunities, training, better transport to get— training, better transport to get nas— training, better transport to get kids from _ training, better transport to get kids from ,_ training, better transport to get kids from , um, deprived get kids from, um, deprived communities— get kids from, um, deprived communities who are trained up to communities who are trained up ia ane— communities who are trained up to access the jobs— communities who are trained up to access the jobs of tomorrow. all to access the jobs of tomorrow. aii ai— to access the jobs of tomorrow. an an anase — to access the jobs of tomorrow. all of those things— to access the jobs of tomorrow. all of those things actually inaaei— all of those things actually impact an— all of those things actually impact on somebody's health and veii—being.— impact on somebody's health and veii—being. n— impact on somebody's health and well—being. it can't— impact on somebody's health and well—being. it can't just sit in a siia— well—being. it can't just sit in a siia in— well—being. it can't just sit in a siia in ne— well—being. it can't just sit in a silo in the department for neaiin— a silo in the department for neaian ana— a silo in the department for health and social care. so we've got health and social care. so we've gaa aa— health and social care. so we've gai a get— health and social care. so we've gai a get a— health and social care. so we've

got to get a whole— health and social care. so we've got to get a whole government aaanaaen— got to get a whole government aaanaaen aa— got to get a whole government approach to tackling health inequalities— approach to tackling health inequalities in— approach to tackling health inequalities in this country. we endea— inequalities in this country. we ended an— inequalities in this country. we ended on a— inequalities in this country. we ended on a bit- inequalities in this country. we ended on a bit of- inequalities in this country. we ended on a bit of politics. there but i have to say, andrew, your description of your battle and winning that battle with your mental health is very timely, but more importantly, life affirming. thank you for coming back to talk to me about it. thank you for having me. canning— it. thank you for having me. canning an— it. thank you for having me. coming up, conservative mp elliot colburn. i had one constituent— elliot colburn. i had one constituent who- cc i had one constituent who had to go, had to constituent who had to go, had ia ga— constituent who had to go, had ia ga aa— constituent who had to go, had a ga ia anein— constituent who had to go, had to go to their place of worship aavs— to go to their place of worship aavs a— to go to their place of worship seven days a week and was saiieeaea— seven days a week and was saaieeaea aa— seven days a week and was subjected to hours and hours of gnaaas— subjected to hours and hours of gnaaas ai— subjected to hours and hours of groups of religious leaders praying— groups of religious leaders anaving ave— groups of religious leaders praying over them, literally aveanen— praying over them, literally anen ,— praying over them, literally over them , laying them down and over them, laying them down and naving— over them, laying them down and naving anem— over them, laying them down and naving anen anav— over them, laying them down and having them pray over their naiv— having them pray over their bodyv sneaking— having them pray over their body, speaking in tongues and inings— body, speaking in tongues and anings iike— body, speaking in tongues and things like that— body, speaking in tongues and things like that ,_ body, speaking in tongues and things like that , saying things things like that, saying things like things like that, saying things iike devia— things like that, saying things like devil, get— things like that, saying things like devil, get out, devil , get like devil, get out, devil, get aaa.— like devil, get out, devil, get aaa. an,— like devil, get out, devil, get aaa. an, an— like devil, get out, devil, get out. um, an and— like devil, get out, devil, get out. um, an and that is a form to out. um, an and that is a form ia ne— out. um, an and that is a form ia ne ng— out. um, an and that is a form ia ne anaa is— out. um, an and that is a form to me that is a— out. um, an and that is a form to me that is a form of emotional— to me that is a form of emotional abuse. and i even go so emotional abuse. and i even go sa tan— emotional abuse. and i even go sa fan as— emotional abuse. and i even go sa fan as aa— emotional abuse. and i even go sa fan as ia sav— emotional abuse. and i even go so far as to say it's— emotional abuse. and i even go

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channel elliot colburn, elected in 2019 as the conservative mp. you're only 30, which means- f you're only 30, which means you got eieeiea— only 30, which means you got elected when— only 30, which means you got elected when you— only 30, which means you got elected when you were 27. snaaian-a— elected when you were 27. shouldn't you— elected when you were 27. shouldn't you be out partying at ng— shouldn't you be out partying at anaa agee — shouldn't you be out partying at an agee vaa— shouldn't you be out partying at that age? you think— shouldn't you be out partying at that age? /ii:i. shouldn't you be out partying at that age? v/iiti. 7 shouldn't you be out partying at that age? v/iii. 7 c that age? you think so? but it was right place right time for me . my predecessor as the me. my predecessor as the conservative candidate had done a number of attempts at and decided that he really didn't want to put himself through it again. and carshalton and wallington has always been my home. born there. raised there , home. born there. raised there, worked there. the lot at. and i knew that i would regret it if i didn't go for it at that time and someone else had the privilege to do it. and i didn't know if i'd ever have another opportunity. for me, it was personal. i didn't want to just go to any seat around the country. when went for my country. when i went for my selections , that was the only

selections, that was the only one that was for me. so i had to do it at that time and even with everything happened everything that's happened over the years, wouldn't the past few years, i wouldn't change mind. what's been the change my mind. what's been the nanaesa— change my mind. what's been the nanaesa ining— change my mind. what's been the hardest thing over— change my mind. what's been the hardest thing over the— 73 i: what's been the hardest thing over the past few years?— hardest thing over the past few veanse on— hardest thing over the past few veanse on nav— hardest thing over the past few years? oh now you're really testing—aeenl years? oh now you're really- testing_been many. i testing me. there's been many. i think beginning of the think the beginning of the pandemic the most pandemic was probably the most difficult when we were dealing with team and i were dealing with my team and i were dealing with my team and i were dealing with just a huge volume of correspondence above what correspondence way above what mps normally get. but hearing the heart wrenching stories the most heart wrenching stories of people who were struggling to navigate this new thing that we all , but we had to try and all were, but we had to try and understand the guidance and understand the guidance and understand the guidance and understand the support that was in place very quickly and then try that on to people try and pass that on to people all. we were doing 14, 15 all. and we were doing 14, 15 hour days for about six weeks non—stop to try and get through all of the queries and even even then we were exhausted. we were absolutely exhausted . and we absolutely exhausted. and we i think that definitely was the hardest. there's been other really tough moments. acas, but i think that it sticks in my

mind as the hardest that i've ever had to deal with. okay okay. so you are an out gay man. i-ve— okay. so you are an out gay man. i've seen a lovely— okay. so you are an out gay man. i've seen a lovely pictures of you— i've seen a lovely pictures of vaa witn— i've seen a lovely pictures of vaa vviin vaan— i've seen a lovely pictures of you with your your your partner. nav— you with your your your partner. nav ain— you with your your your partner. nav aia vvene— you with your your your partner. how old were you— you with your your your partner. how old were you when you came aaan— how old were you when you came aaae — how old were you when you came aaae i— how old were you when you came aaae i vvas— how old were you when you came aaae i ii.— how old were you when you came out? i was 11, relatively- how old were you when you came out? “ g out? i was 11, relatively young. i was really, really lucky- out? “ g i was really, really lucky to nave— i was really, really lucky to nave kviv— i was really, really lucky to nave kyiv- a— i was really, really lucky to have kyiv. a massively saaaanive— have kyiv. a massively supportive family and a school, aetaaiiv— supportive family and a school, aeaaaiiv. inat— supportive family and a school, actually, that was— supportive family and a school, actually, that was quite ahead of actually, that was quite ahead ai is— actually, that was quite ahead at its time— actually, that was quite ahead of its time in— actually, that was quite ahead of its time in teaching rac but in an— of its time in teaching rac but in an anni— of its time in teaching rac but in an lgbt inclusive y way. neiane— in an lgbt inclusive y way. neiane anv— in an lgbt inclusive y way. before any of— in an lgbt inclusive y way. before any of this was mandatory and sa— before any of this was mandatory and sa i— before any of this was mandatory and sa i vvas— before any of this was mandatory and so i was very,— before any of this was mandatory and so i was very, very lucky. i naa— and so i was very, very lucky. i naa a— and so i was very, very lucky. i naa a gneaa— and so i was very, very lucky. i had a great support mechanism anaana— had a great support mechanism around me and— had a great support mechanism around me and i— had a great support mechanism around me and i think that neaiiv— around me and i think that neaiiv vas— around me and i think that neaiiv a— around me and i think that really was a bit— around me and i think that really was a bit of a shock when i really was a bit of a shock when i gat— really was a bit of a shock when i gaa aiaen— really was a bit of a shock when i gai aiaen ana— really was a bit of a shock when i got older and i— really was a bit of a shock when i got older and i experienced discrimination— i got older and i experienced discrimination for the first time— discrimination for the first time an— discrimination for the first time an sa— discrimination for the first time or saw it— discrimination for the first time or saw it directed at other aeaaie— time or saw it directed at other aeaaie aeaase— time or saw it directed at other people because to— time or saw it directed at other people because to be brutally nanesa.— people because to be brutally nanesa. tan— people because to be brutally honest, for the _ people because to be brutally honest, for the first few years of honest, for the first few years at nv— honest, for the first few years at nv aaan— honest, for the first few years of my adult life,— honest, for the first few years of my adult life, i— honest, for the first few years of my adult life, i didn't neaiiv— of my adult life, i didn't really experience it. and aennaas— really experience it. and perhaps that— really experience it. and perhaps that was naivety because of perhaps that was naivety because at nav— perhaps that was naivety because at nav vaang— perhaps that was naivety because at nav vaang i— perhaps that was naivety because of how young i was.— perhaps that was naivety because of how young i was. but i was inaneaiiiv— of how young i was. but i was incredibly lucky— of how young i was. but i was incredibly lucky and it was a bit incredibly lucky and it was a in at— incredibly lucky and it was a in at a— incredibly lucky and it was a bit of a shock— incredibly lucky and it was a bit of a shock to— incredibly lucky and it was a bit of a shock to me. later on ng— bit of a shock to me. later on ma ng— bit of a shock to me. later on that that sort— bit of a shock to me. later on that that sort of—

bit of a shock to me. later on that that sort of prejudice saiii— that that sort of prejudice still existed. _ that that sort of prejudice still existed. ' i: that that sort of prejudice still existed. a: that that sort of prejudice still existed. ' i: c�*iiii; still existed. and is there a moment that sticks in your mind about the prejudice? we're going to come onto something that happened to you as an mp in a moment, but is there something in your normal life when you first remember for gosh, this is this is this is hate? yeah, i think think— this is this is hate? yeah, i think think it— this is this is hate? yeah, i think think it was- 7 yeah, i think think it was actually aaning— think think it was actually during election campaign during the election campaign ieiane— during the election campaign before-elected- during the election campaign before elected as mp , before i was elected as an mp, i'd before i was elected as an mp, in aiviaasiv— before i was elected as an mp, i'd obviously seen— before i was elected as an mp, i'd obviously seen an experience nanaanaiia— i'd obviously seen an experience homophobia before now, but i anink— homophobia before now, but i anink n— homophobia before now, but i think it really— homophobia before now, but i think it really hit— homophobia before now, but i think it really hit for home me. inene— think it really hit for home me. inene vvas— think it really hit for home me. there was this— think it really hit for home me. there was this moment when i was on there was this moment when i was an vveiiingian— there was this moment when i was on wellington high— there was this moment when i was on wellington high street, one of on wellington high street, one at ine— on wellington high street, one at ine iangesa— on wellington high street, one of the largest high streets in of the largest hiin streets in my of the largest high streets in nv paten— of the largest high streets in nv aaaen ana— of the largest high streets in my patch, and this guy came up to my patch, and this guy came up ia ne— my patch, and this guy came up ia ne ana— my patch, and this guy came up to me and said— my patch, and this guy came up to me and said i— my patch, and this guy came up to me and said i was going to vaae— to me and said i was going to vaae tan— to me and said i was going to vaae ian vaa.— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i— to me and said i was going to vote for you, but i found out inat— vote for you, but i found out anaa vae— vote for you, but i found out an vae gav— vote for you, but i found out that you're gay. that's aisgasting— that you're gay. that's disgusting. i'm voting for the inevit— disgusting. i'm voting for the nnevia nanv— disgusting. i'm voting for the brexit party and— disgusting. i'm voting for the brexit party and i just remember aninking— brexit party and i just remember aninking aa— brexit party and i just remember thinking to myself , brexit party and i just remember thinking to myself, i don't brexit party and i just remember thinking to myself , i don't know thinking to myself, i don't know nav— thinking to myself, i don't know nav aa— thinking to myself, i don't know how to respond— thinking to myself, i don't know how to respond to— thinking to myself, i don't know how to respond to that. you're iiaenaiiv— how to respond to that. you're literally choosing _ how to respond to that. you're literally choosing who you vote for literally choosing who you vote ian an — literally choosing who you vote ian an a— literally choosing who you vote for on a personal— literally choosing who you vote for on a personal character , for on a personal character, nvstie— for on a personal character, nvsiie. ana— for on a personal character, nvsiie. and i— for on a personal character, mystic. and i just thought to nvseii— mystic. and i just thought to nvseii .— mystic. and i just thought to nvseii . vvav. — mystic. and i just thought to myself , wow, that's i don't know myself, wow, that's i don't know nav— myself, wow, that's i don't know nav aa— myself, wow, that's i don't know nav ia nesaana— myself, wow, that's i don't know how to respond ._ myself, wow, that's i don't know how to respond . i— myself, wow, that's i don't know how to respond . i don't know how how to respond. i don't know how to how to respond. i don't know how ia easi— how to respond. i don't know how ia neaei aa— how to respond. i don't know how to react to this. _ how to respond. i don't know how to react to this. and— how to respond. i don't know how to react to this. and i did just san— to react to this. and i did just sat ai— to react to this. and i did just sat at saana— to react to this. and i did just sort of stand there a bit in

snack.— sort of stand there a bit in shock, really.— sort of stand there a bit in shock, really. i— sort of stand there a bit in shock, really. i didn't say anvining— shock, really. i didn't say anything walked shock, really. i didn't say- anything-walked away anything back. he walked away and anything back. he walked away ana inat— anything back. he walked away and that stuck— anything back. he walked away and that stuck with me . and that and that stuck with me. and that stack— and that stuck with me. and that siaek vin— and that stuck with me. and that siaek vvian ne— and that stuck with me. and that stuck with me because i really aian-a— stuck with me because i really aian-a knav— stuck with me because i really didn't know how— stuck with me because i really didn't know how to react in that siaaaaian— didn't know how to react in that situation because _ didn't know how to react in that situation because i— didn't know how to react in that situation because i thought, anis— situation because i thought, this-irrational.- situation because i thought, this irrational. you know, this is so irrational. you know, you— this is so irrational. you know, vaa eaaia— this is so irrational. you know, vaa eaaia naa— this is so irrational. you know, you could not vote— this is so irrational. you know, you could not vote for a aaiiaieai— you could not vote for a political party- you could not vote for a political party or candidate political party or a candidate for political party or a candidate ianlnvniaa— political party or a candidate ianlnvniaa ai— political party or a candidate for myriad of reasons, but i'm for a myriad of reasons, but i'm naa—ine— for a myriad of reasons, but i'm naa—ine aest- not sure that's the best anganena— not sure that's the best argument to- not sure that's the best argument to make. c c not sure that's the best— argument to make. gosh , it made argument to make. gosh, it made me shiver that it's horrible . me shiver that it's horrible. now, a couple of years ago, you received a letter calling you tory scum and telling you and your boy friend to watch your backs. your boy friend to watch your backs . so did the police catch backs. so did the police catch that person ? no, no, sadly not. that person? no, no, sadly not. ana— that person? no, no, sadly not. and i— that person? no, no, sadly not. and i aa— that person? no, no, sadly not. and i aa naa— that person? no, no, sadly not. and i do not for— that person? no, no, sadly not. and i do not for one— 7 no, no, sadly not. and i do not for one minute iiane— and i do not for one minute iiane ane— and i do not for one minute blame the police about that. i anaensaana— blame the police about that. i understand how— blame the police about that. i understand how difficult it is to understand how difficult it is ia aeiaaiiv— understand how difficult it is to actually track— understand how difficult it is to actually track people down, aanieaianiv— to actually track people down, particularly when it's in letter tann— particularly when it's in letter iann .— particularly when it's in letter iann . n— particularly when it's in letter iann . n was— particularly when it's in letter form . it was before i had any form. it was before i had any cciv— form. it was before i had any cciv iaaiage. — form. it was before i had any cctv footage, so— form. it was before i had any cctv footage, so i- form. it was before i had any cctv footage, so i could not anaviae— cctv footage, so i could not provide anything _ cctv footage, so i could not provide anything . literally all provide anything. literally all i provide anything. literally all i eaaia— provide anything. literally all i could provide— provide anything. literally all i could provide was the letter , i could provide was the letter, ana— i could provide was the letter, and iaess— i could provide was the letter, and unless they— i could provide was the letter, and unless they were on the pause— and unless they were on the police database,— and unless they were on the police database, there was no way— police database, there was no vav aa— police database, there was no vav aa nast— police database, there was no way to track them. but it was entang— way to track them. but it was eniiiing. ana— way to track them. but it was chilling. and that the first

chilling. and that was the first time— chilling. and that was the first tine-neanv— chilling. and that was the first time-really fully- time that i really fully understood— time that i really fully understood effect that time that i really fully- understood -effect that being understood the effect that being an inn— understood the effect that being an iii ean— understood the effect that being an mp can have— understood the effect that being an mp can have on the people anaana— an mp can have on the people anaana vaa— an mp can have on the people around you because do make around you because we do make saeniiiees. — around you because we do make saeniiiees. nae— around you because we do make sacrifices.-we ask- around you because we do make sacrifices. we ask the sacrifices. but we ask the aeaaie— sacrifices. but we ask the aeaaie in— sacrifices. but we ask the people in-lives,- sacrifices. but we ask the people in lives, our people in our lives, our inienas— people in our lives, our friends, our— people in our lives, our friends, our family, our loved aa— friends, our family, our loved ia aaa— friends, our family, our loved a eat an— friends, our family, our loved ones to put up with a lot. my mum.— ones to put up with a lot. my tan— ones to put up with a lot. my mum, for example , has come mum, for example, has come eanaieieiv— mum, for example, has come completely-social- mum, for example, has come completely social media. completely off social media. she aaesn-a— completely off social media. she aaesn-a-neaa.— completely off social media. she doesn't read, doesn't doesn't want to read, doesn't want— doesn't want to read, doesn't nana—vaa- doesn't want to read, doesn't want-you know. i doesn't want to read, doesn't. want-you know. and want to read it, you know. and i said.— want to read it, you know. and i said. veii.— want to read it, you know. and i said. well, vaa— want to read it, you know. and i said, well, you know, do you vani— said, well, you know, do you want ia — said, well, you know, do you want ia tast— said, well, you know, do you want to just come off some of anese— want to just come off some of inese gnaaase— want to just come off some of these groups? do— want to just come off some of these groups? do you want to aniaiiavv— these groups? do you want to aniaiiav nv— these groups? do you want to unfollow my page and stuff so inat— unfollow my page and stuff so anaa vaa— unfollow my page and stuff so an vaa-stav— unfollow my page and stuff so that you stay contact that you can stay in contact witn— that you can stay in contact with -friends- that you can stay in contact with -friends but- that you can stay in contact with friends but not see with your friends but not see vvnaa— with your friends but not see vnaa-sav— with your friends but not see vnaa-sav-neel with your friends but not see. what-say-me? and what people say about me? and she what people say about me? and sne said.— what people say about me? and sne saia. na— what people say about me? and she said, no, i'd— what people say about me? and she said, no, i'd just be too aenaaea— she said, no, i'd just be too aenaaea ana— she said, no, i'd just be too tempted and it's- she said, no, i'd just be too tempted and it's too hard. but we aa— tempted and it's too hard. but we aa ask— tempted and it's too hard. but we do ask people— tempted and it's too hard. but we do ask people up with we do ask people to put up with a-ana— we do ask people to put up with a-ana ng— we do ask people to put up with a-and that was— we do ask people to put up with a-and that was the- we do ask people to put up with a and that was the first a lot. and that was the first time— a lot. and that was the first time i— a lot. and that was the first time i think— a lot. and that was the first time i think i— a lot. and that was the first time i think i fully appreciated vnai— time i think i fully appreciated vnai ve— time i think i fully appreciated vnai we ask— time i think i fully appreciated what we ask the— time i think i fully appreciated what we ask the people around us to what we ask the people around us aa—anaa- what we ask the people around us aa—anaa vas- what we ask the people around us aa—anaa inl to put up with. so that was in 2021. really. that was the 2021. hope really. that was the last horrible incident of abuse that you've been subject to, is that you've been subject to, is that right? it was great. good. yeah now let's have a look at some of the campaigns that you were involved in. of course, you're a constituency mp, as

lord dannatt is written about what you do locally, you've called for lgb plus conversion therapy to be made illegal by therapy to be made illegal by the government. say that they're going to, but they've been saying that for quite a while now. why are they dragging their feet and what are you going to do to stop the feet dragging on this? no, you're absolutely right. we have now got a right. we have now got to a aiaee— right. we have now got to a place-thankfully,- ” 3 we have now got to a place thankfully, we right. we have now got to a- place -thankfully, we have place where, thankfully, we have , i place where, thankfully, we have . i ininn — place where, thankfully, we have . i ininn gat— place where, thankfully, we have . i ininn gaa a— place where, thankfully, we have , i think, got a settled agneeneni— , i think, got a settled agreement with the government , i think, got a settled agre they it with the government , i think, got a settled agre they are th the government , i think, got a settled agre they are going government , i think, got a settled agre they are going godo nment , i think, got a settled agre they are going godo this. it that they are going to do this. as vaa— that they are going to do this. as vaa man.— that they are going to do this. as you know, there was a lot of eanasiani — as you know, there was a lot of eanasiani as— as you know, there was a lot of confusion as to _ as you know, there was a lot of confusion as to whether it would naaaen— confusion as to whether it would naaaen aa— confusion as to whether it would naaaen ai gt,— confusion as to whether it would happen at all, whether or not it vaaia— happen at all, whether or not it vaaia-ane— happen at all, whether or not it would-the entirety- happen at all, whether or not it would the entirety of would include the entirety of the-community. - would include the entirety of the community. are would include the entirety of- the -community. - are now the lgbt+ community. we are now waiting— the lgbt+ community. we are now vvaiiing tan— the lgbt+ community. we are now vvaiiing ian ane— the lgbt+ community. we are now waiting for the announcement of vvnaa— waiting for the announcement of what pre—legislative what we call pre—legislative senaiinv— what we call pre—legislative scrutiny, which _ what we call pre—legislative scrutiny, which is quite an anasaai— scrutiny, which is quite an unusual tool— scrutiny, which is quite an unusual tool for parliament to as— unusual tool for parliament to as vaa— unusual tool for parliament to use. as you know— unusual tool for parliament to use. as you know before you're aneseniing— use. as you know before you're anesenaing a— use. as you know before you're anesenaing a-aa— use. as you know before you're presenting a to parliament. presenting a bill to parliament. vinai— presenting a bill to parliament. what-concerned- presenting a bill to parliament. what concerned about at presenting a bill to parliament. whtmomentzoncerned about at presenting a bill to parliament. whtmoment isicerned about at presenting a bill to parliament. whtmoment is those! about at presenting a bill to parliament. whtmoment is those of bout at presenting a bill to parliament. whtmoment is those of usit at presenting a bill to parliament. whtmoment is those of us who the moment is those of us who are the moment is those of us who eanaaigning— the moment is those of us who are campaigning on this is that we've been waiting for that now for we've been waiting for that now ian sae— we've been waiting for that now ian tine— we've been waiting for that now for some time and— we've been waiting for that now for some time and we're about to sane-ine— for some time and we're about to eaneline ena— for some time and we're about to come-the end of— for some time and we're about to come-the end of the- come to the end of the parliamentary we parliamentary session on. we want— parliamentary session on. we nana—an- parliamentary session on. we want—an anel want to just get this off the gnaana. — want to just get this off the gnaana. n-s—

want to just get this off the ground. it's relatively straightforward authored legislation. _ straightforward authored legislation. is . all legislation. it really is. all it legislation. it really is. all ialasking— legislation. it really is. all itlasking is— legislation. it really is. all itlasking is for- legislation. it really is. all it asking is for no one to be it is asking is for no one to be saiieeiea— it is asking is for no one to be saaieeiea aa— it is asking is for no one to be subjected to abuse because of men— subjected to abuse because of their identity— subjected to abuse because of their identity ._ subjected to abuse because of their identity . and it's their identity. and it's a neiaaiveiv— their identity. and it's a relatively simple concept in my mini.— relatively simple concept in my nnina. naa— relatively simple concept in my mind. but sadly— relatively simple concept in my mind. but sadly because of the venv— mind. but sadly because of the venv iaaa— mind. but sadly because of the venv iaaa ana— mind. but sadly because of the very loud and toxic debate that nas— very loud and toxic debate that nas saanea— very loud and toxic debate that has started particularly around the has started particularly around ine anans— has started particularly around the trans community, but other pans— the trans community, but other pans ai— the trans community, but other aans ai ane— the trans community, but other parts of the lgbt— the trans community, but other parts of the lgbt community as veii— parts of the lgbt community as veii .— parts of the lgbt community as veii . i— parts of the lgbt community as veii. i anink— parts of the lgbt community as well, i think that's the reason anaa— well, i think that's the reason anaa anene-s— well, i think that's the reason that there's been— well, i think that's the reason that there's been such a delay ieaase— that there's been such a delay because as the _ that there's been such a delay because as the government i anink— because as the government i anink ane— because as the government i think are struggling, struggling to think are struggling, struggling ia navigate— think are struggling, struggling to navigate that— think are struggling, struggling to navigate that minefield . to navigate that minefield. nave— to navigate that minefield. nave vaa— to navigate that minefield. nave vaa nea— to navigate that minefield. have you met any,- to navigate that minefield. have you met any, any- to navigate that minefield. have you met any, any anyone own friends or constituents who have been subject or who've been through conversion and so—called conversion therapy? yes sadly. and a range of them as well, some from years— and a range of them as well, some from years ago, who were saiieeiea — some from years ago, who were saaieeiea aa— some from years ago, who were subjected to practises that, of course, are already illegal. just— course, are already illegal. just detailed— course, are already illegal. just detailed some- course, are already illegal. just detailed some examples. course, are already illegal. just detailed some examples . you just detailed some examples. you don't need to name any names, but just so people understand what conversion therapy entails. so some of the more recent evanaies— so some of the more recent evanaies i-ve— so some of the more recent examples i've from examples i've had from constituents— examples i've had from constituents who are being saaieeaea— constituents who are being saaieeaea aa— constituents who are being subjected to things that are siia— subjected to things that are

siia-ane— subjected to things that are still-are things- subjected to things that are still are things such as still legal are things such as deliverance, _ still legal are things such as deliverance, prayer, exorcism items— deliverance, prayer, exorcism iiens ana— deliverance, prayer, exorcism items and things like that. i naa— items and things like that. i naa ane— items and things like that. i had one constituent who who had to had one constituent who who had ia ga— had one constituent who who had ia ga naa— had one constituent who who had ia ga naa ia— had one constituent who who had a ga naa aa ga— had one constituent who who had a ga naa aa ga aa— had one constituent who who had to go had to go to their place of to go had to go to their place at vansnia— to go had to go to their place of worship seven _ to go had to go to their place of worship seven days a week and saiieeaea— of worship seven days a week and was subjected to— of worship seven days a week and was subjected to hours and hours of was subjected to hours and hours at gnaaas— was subjected to hours and hours at gnaaas ai— was subjected to hours and hours of groups of religious leaders prav— of groups of religious leaders pray ,_ of groups of religious leaders pray , praying— of groups of religious leaders pray , praying over them, pray, praying over them, iiaenaiiv— pray, praying over them, literally over— pray, praying over them, literally over them, laying them iavn— literally over them, laying them dawn and — literally over them, laying them down and having— literally over them, laying them down and having them pray over anein— down and having them pray over anein naiv— down and having them pray over their body, speaking in tongues and inings— their body, speaking in tongues and things like— their body, speaking in tongues and things like that , saying and things like that, saying anings— and things like that, saying inings aike— and things like that, saying things like devil, get out, nevi— things like devil, get out, nevii gea— things like devil, get out, devil get out. _ things like devil, get out, devil get out. and that is a tann— devil get out. and that is a tan ia— devil get out. and that is a tan ia ne— devil get out. and that is a form to me that— devil get out. and that is a form to me that is a form of enaaianai— form to me that is a form of emotional abuse— form to me that is a form of emotional abuse . and i even go emotional abuse. and i even go so emotional abuse. and i even go sa tan— emotional abuse. and i even go sa fan as— emotional abuse. and i even go sa fan as aa— emotional abuse. and i even go sa fan as ia sav— emotional abuse. and i even go so far as to say it's— emotional abuse. and i even go so far as to say it's torture. inaa-s— so far as to say it's torture. was a— so far as to say it's torture. was a iat— so far as to say it's torture. that's a lot to— so far as to say it's torture. that's a lot to subject someone to. that's a lot to subject someone a ana— that's a lot to subject someone a and anaa— that's a lot to subject someone to. and that still— that's a lot to subject someone to. and that still happening in our to. and that still happening in eaananv— to. and that still happening in our country today. of course, a lot our country today. of course, a iaa ai— our country today. of course, a iaa ai ine— our country today. of course, a lot of the stories— our country today. of course, a lot of the stories that you hear of lot of the stories that you hear ai snack— lot of the stories that you hear of shock therapy,— lot of the stories that you hear of shock therapy, of corrective nane— of shock therapy, of corrective nage ana— of shock therapy, of corrective rape and things— of shock therapy, of corrective rape and things like that, of course, they're— rape and things like that, of course, they're already illegal ana— course, they're already illegal and ne— course, they're already illegal and we absolutely accept that. naa— and we absolutely accept that. naa anene— and we absolutely accept that. naa anene ane— and we absolutely accept that. but there are practises pseudo neiigiaas— but there are practises pseudo neiigiaas ana— but there are practises pseudo religious and pseudo psychological practises that are siia— psychological practises that are saiii naaaening— psychological practises that are still happening today , dressed still happening today, dressed up still happening today, dressed aa—anenaav- still happening today, dressedi aa—anenaav vnien up as legitimate therapy which seek— up as legitimate therapy which seek ia— up as legitimate therapy which seek to change— up as legitimate therapy which

seek to change someone's iienaiiv. — seek to change someone's identity. and— seek to change someone's identity. and that's what i nan-a— identity. and that's what i don't think— identity. and that's what i don't think is— identity. and that's what i don't think is right. 'i: don't think is right. and you've aisa— don't think is right. and you've aisa sain— don't think is right. and you've also said previously that you're 100% fighting for trans rights. what in particular are you fighting for? is there anything in to particular be honest, how i view that has changed slightly over the years is originally when i first got elected, i thought it was just delivering on the 2018 action plan, but now for me, the number one priority is trying to take the heat out of the national discussion around trans issues because there is a lot of misinformation out there, but there's also a lot of anger and there are legitimate conversations to be had and there are legitimate concerns that need to be addressed. and i think actually the addressed. and i think actually ine naien— addressed. and i think actually the number one— e�*cc : and i think actually the number one priority at the nnannena— the number one priority at the nnannena is— the number one priority at the moment is finding a way to navigate— moment is finding a way to navigate-sa- moment is finding a way to navigate-so that. moment is finding a way to navigate-so that can navigate through so that we can nave— navigate through so that we can nave a— navigate through so that we can have a respectful— navigate through so that we can have a respectful conversation on have a respectful conversation anissae- anaa- have a respectful conversation on-issue that i- have a respectful conversation on issue that i wouldn't on on the issue that i wouldn't nave— on on the issue that i wouldn't nave saia— on on the issue that i wouldn't nave said a— on on the issue that i wouldn't have said a few— on on the issue that i wouldn't have said a few years ago ieaase— have said a few years ago ieaase i— have said a few years ago because i just— have said a few years ago because i just assumed that we gaing— because i just assumed that we gaing aa— because i just assumed that we gaing aa ga— because i just assumed that we were going to go ahead with what was were going to go ahead with what aineaiv— were going to go ahead with what aineaiv in— were going to go ahead with what was already in place . but there was already in place. but there nas— was already in place. but there nas teen— was already in place. but there has been this— was already in place. but there has been this massive furore and i has been this massive furore and i anink— has been this massive furore and i anink vve— has been this massive furore and i think we really— has been this massive furore and i think we really do— has been this massive furore and i think we really do need to try

ana— i think we really do need to try and take— i think we really do need to try and take ine— i think we really do need to try and take the heat— i think we really do need to try and take the heat out of it. ninai— and take the heat out of it. final question,— and take the heat out of it. final question, a bit of aaiiiies. — final question, a bit of politics. so- final question, a bit of politics. final question, a bit of- politics. so you took the seat at the last election for the first time from when you were first time from when you were first elected. you took the seat from the liberal democrats. a majority 600. so this from the liberal democrats. a m the ty 600. so this from the liberal democrats. a mthe blue 600. so this from the liberal democrats. a mthe blue wall 600. so this from the liberal democrats. a mthe blue wall thatd. so this from the liberal democrats. a m the blue wall that we're this is the blue wall that we're talking about here. yeah, lots of focus the red wall, but of focus on the red wall, but also the received wisdom is that the conservatives are going to have problem, perhaps have a problem, perhaps a bigger problem blue wall. can problem in in the blue wall. can you tell in a sentence or two you tell me in a sentence or two what need do to maintain what you need to do to maintain what you need to do to maintain what conservatives need to what the conservatives need to do that coalition do to maintain that coalition that you represent very quickly nationally demonstrate economic competence? again , locally competence? again, locally demonstrate— competence? again, locally demonstrate that- itiiii�* "it.ii;7’ again, locally demonstrate that you are a nanevvanking— demonstrate that you are a hardworking local champion there for hardworking local champion there ian ane— hardworking local champion there ian ane aeaaie— hardworking local champion there for the people that— hardworking local champion there for the people that you neaneseni— for the people that you represent and that they weren't vaang— represent and that they weren't vnang aa— represent and that they weren't vnang a pat— represent and that they weren't wrong to put their— represent and that they weren't wrong to put their trust in you in ne— wrong to put their trust in you in ine insa— wrong to put their trust in you in the first place. _ wrong to put their trust in you in the first place. and that's aneeiseiv— in the first place. and that's precisely what _ in the first place. and that's precisely what i'm trying to demonstrate— precisely what i'm trying to demonstrate to— precisely what i'm trying to demonstrate to my carshalton and vvaiiingian— demonstrate to my carshalton and wallington constituents. cc wallington constituents. elliot cabana— wallington constituents. elliot colburn, - been _ wallington constituents. elliot colburn, -been a _ wallington constituents. elliot colburn, been a pleasure. colburn, it's been a pleasure. thank you very much . thank you. thank you very much. thanks for watching. back next sunday at 6:00 for gloria meets

. hello there. welcome to your gb . hello there. welcome to your an nevs— . hello there. welcome to your gb news weather— hello there. welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the gb news weather forecast from ine nea— gb news weather forecast from the met office. _ gb news weather forecast from the met office. i'm craig snell. iaaking— the met office. i'm craig snell. looking ahead— the met office. i'm craig snell. looking ahead to— the met office. i'm craig snell. looking ahead to the week ahead, nasa— looking ahead to the week ahead, nasi ai— looking ahead to the week ahead, nasi at as— looking ahead to the week ahead, nasi ai its— looking ahead to the week ahead, most of us, it's going to be nainiv— most of us, it's going to be nainiv inv— most of us, it's going to be nainiv env ana— most of us, it's going to be mainly dry and unsettled. inene-ii— mainly dry and unsettled. there'll be— mainly dry and unsettled. there'll be little bit of rain there'll be a little bit of rain inan— there'll be a little bit of rain inan tine— there'll be a little bit of rain from time to— there'll be a little bit of rain from time to time across the far nann— from time to time across the far nann. ana— from time to time across the far north. and that's— from time to time across the far north. and that's really how gaing— north. and that's really how gaing aa— north. and that's really how we're going to end the weekend. we —siaaaaeai we have this cold front situated across and northern across scotland and northern ineianai—a- across scotland and northern ireland,_a focus| ireland, so that'll be a focus of ireland, so that'll be a focus ai—ana- ireland, so that'll be a focus ai—ana nain- ireland, so that'll be a focus. of_and rain tonight of some cloud and rain tonight to of some cloud and rain tonight ia ine— of some cloud and rain tonight ia ine saaan— of some cloud and rain tonight to the south of— of some cloud and rain tonight to the south of it.— of some cloud and rain tonight to the south of it. high pressure building in the next. signs— pressure building in the next. signslinings— pressure building in the next. signs-things to— pressure building in the next. signs things to as we go signs of things to come as we go innaagn— signs of things to come as we go annaagn ane— signs of things to come as we go through the week— signs of things to come as we go through the week ahead. so you can through the week ahead. so you aan-enaa— through the week ahead. so you can -cloud-rain- can see the cloud and rain across northern ireland and semiann— across northern ireland and scotland. mainly scotland. the rain mainly iaeassea— scotland. the rain mainly focussed eastern and focussed across eastern and eenanai— central scotland as we go annaagn— central scotland as we go innaagn ane— central scotland as we go through the course of the night. ingiana— through the course of the night. ingiana ana— through the course of the night. england and wales largely dry, eieanesa— england and wales largely dry, clearest-the— england and wales largely dry, clearest-the-out- clearest of the skies out aavanais— clearest of the skies out towards-west.- clearest of the skies out towards west. here towards the west. so here asaaaiiv— towards the west. so here actually turning chilly actually turning quite chilly anee-ian— actually turning quite chilly once -for the- actually turning quite chilly once for the time year once again for the time of year ,_wnt- once again for the time of year ,_wnt tast- once again for the time of yeari ,_wnt iasa , some low cloud will just move in across some eastern coast as we ga— in across some eastern coast as we ga annaagn— in across some eastern coast as we ga innaagn ane— in across some eastern coast as we go through the course of the nigna. —gaiie- we go through the course of the night._quite slow night. and that'll be quite slow to night. and that'll be quite slow aa-as— night. and that'll be quite slow aa-as ve— night. and that'll be quite slow aa-as ve ga— night. and that'll be quite slow to as we go through monday to clear as we go through monday lane— to clear as we go through monday lane-ai— to clear as we go through monday ..the -of sunshine - to clear as we go through monday . the of sunshine monday . so the best of sunshine monday manning—inei morning will be over towards the vvesenni— morning will be over towards the vvesenna naai— morning will be over towards the western half-the— morning will be over towards the western half the uk. still western half of the uk. still eiaaa— western half of the uk. still some cloud and— western half of the uk. still some cloud and outbreaks rain some cloud and outbreaks of rain inan— some cloud and outbreaks of rain nan—nana- some cloud and outbreaks of rain from _front across. from that weather front across easean— from that weather front across easenn-naa- from that weather front acrossi easienn-naa-ga eastern scotland. but as we go annaagn—

eastern scotland. but as we go annaagn ane— eastern scotland. but as we go through the course of the aiaennaan— through the course of the afternoon, conditions improve in the afternoon, conditions improve in ane-iaas— afternoon, conditions improve in ane-iaas ai— afternoon, conditions improve in the-lots of.seeing. the east. so lots of us seeing some sunshine,— the east. so lots of us seeing some sunshine, the time, some sunshine, but all the time, aest— some sunshine, but all the time, nest-viii— some sunshine, but all the time, nest-viii ae— some sunshine, but all the time, best-will be over- best of that will be over iavanis— best of that will be over- towards—we'll best of that will be over- towards_we'll see towards the west where we'll see aenaenaianes— towards the west where we'll see temperatures around 23, temperatures reaching around 23, aassiaiv— temperatures reaching around 23, aassiaiv even— temperatures reaching around 23, aassiaiv 2a— temperatures reaching around 23, possibly even 24 degrees into the possibly even 24 degrees into ine evening.— possibly even 24 degrees into the evening. there could be a nisk— the evening. there could be a nisk ai— the evening. there could be a nisk at a— the evening. there could be a nisk at a few— the evening. there could be a risk of a few showers across the iennies— risk of a few showers across the iennnes nai— risk of a few showers across the pennines, but they— risk of a few showers across the pennines, but they will quickly iisaaaean— pennines, but they will quickly iisaaaean as— pennines, but they will quickly disappear as we— pennines, but they will quickly disappear as we go through the course of the— disappear as we go through the course of the night. and for nasa— course of the night. and for nasalve— course of the night. and for most-we start- course of the night. and for most we start tuesday most as we start tuesday manning.— most as we start tuesday nanning. its— most as we start tuesday morning, it's going to be fairly eiean— morning, it's going to be fairly eiean aaa— morning, it's going to be fairly clear out there,— morning, it's going to be fairly clear out there, but quite eniiiv— clear out there, but quite eniiiv-ian- clear out there, but quite chilly -for-time| clear out there, but quite l chilly -for-time of chilly again for the time of vean.—aaa- chilly again for the time of year._odd misti chilly again for the time of. year._odd mist and chilly again for the time of- year._odd mist and fog year. maybe the odd mist and fog paten— year. maybe the odd mist and fog eaten—iavns- year. maybe the odd mist and fog patch,_towns and. patch, but for most towns and cities— patch, but for most towns and cities, probably— patch, but for most towns and cities, probably not falling naen—s- cities, probably not falling naen—sliol cities, probably not falling- much _8.10 degrees. much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. but much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. naa-ane— much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. but the countryside, but in the countryside, eenainiv— but in the countryside, certainly little bit lower certainly a little bit lower anan— certainly a little bit lower nan-.— certainly a little bit lower anan- naa— certainly a little bit lower than . but overall, tuesday, than this. but overall, tuesday, we than this. but overall, tuesday, ve stan— than this. but overall, tuesday, ve saan an— than this. but overall, tuesday, we start off on— than this. but overall, tuesday, we start off on another fairly inigna— we start off on another fairly anigna ana— we start off on another fairly bright and sunny note, some eiaaa— bright and sunny note, some eiaaa ana— bright and sunny note, some cloud and some— bright and sunny note, some cloud and some outbreaks of rain just cloud and some outbreaks of rain iasi naving— cloud and some outbreaks of rain iasi naving in— cloud and some outbreaks of rain just moving in across the very far just moving in across the very ian nann— just moving in across the very ian nann ai— just moving in across the very far north of scotland at times ianing— far north of scotland at times ianing ane— far north of scotland at times during the course— far north of scotland at times during the course of tuesday. nai— during the course of tuesday. naa tan— during the course of tuesday. naa ian nasa— during the course of tuesday. but for most, another lovely sannv— but for most, another lovely sannv-ana— but for most, another lovely sunny and feeling but for most, another lovely sunny-and feeling warm sunny day and feeling quite warm inan—e again- in the sunshine once again, that eannnaes— in the sunshine once again, that eannnaes an— in the sunshine once again, that continues on wednesday and inansaav. — continues on wednesday and thursday. plenty of sunshine anaana— thursday. plenty of sunshine anaana ana— thursday. plenty of sunshine around and in— thursday. plenty of sunshine around and in the sunshine , around and in the sunshine, ieeiing— 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it's coming up to 9:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan ianigna— the world. this is mark dolan ianigni .— the world. this is mark dolan ianigni . in— the world. this is mark dolan ianigna . in nv— the world. this is mark dolan tonight , in my big— : this is mark dolan tonight, in my big opinion. iangei— tonight, in my big opinion. forget about— tonight, in my big opinion. forget about the speeding fine seviiia— forget about the speeding fine sevilla braverman's. great crime is anving— sevilla braverman's. great crime is anving aa— sevilla braverman's. great crime is anving aa inning— sevilla braverman's. great crime is trying to bring down immigration- is trying to bring down immigration , backing brexit and immigration, backing brexit and taking— immigration, backing brexit and taking an— immigration, backing brexit and taking an ane— immigration, backing brexit and taking on the woke taliban . this taking on the woke taliban. this saanv— taking on the woke taliban. this non story amounts— taking on the woke taliban. this non story amounts to a coup and ieisni— non story amounts to a coup and ieisni sanak— non story amounts to a coup and rishi sunak must— non story amounts to a coup and rishi sunak must stand by his name— rishi sunak must stand by his home secretary— rishi sunak must stand by his home secretary or he has no eanene— home secretary or he has no eanene ai— home secretary or he has no chance of winning the next eieeaian— chance of winning the next eieeaian .— chance of winning the next election . hold— chance of winning the next election . hold your line rishi. election. hold your line rishi. my election. hold your line rishi. iiv mank— election. hold your line rishi. my mark meets— election. hold your line rishi. my mark meets guest is the mp vna— my mark meets guest is the mp vvna sanvivea— my mark meets guest is the mp who survived a— my mark meets guest is the mp who survived a murder attempt by an isianie— who survived a murder attempt by an islamic extremist in 2010 who anaa— an islamic extremist in 2010 who came that close— an islamic extremist in 2010 who came that close to— an islamic extremist in 2010 who came that close to being stabbed to came that close to being stabbed ia nean— came that close to being stabbed ia ieaan. ne— came that close to being stabbed to death. he spent— came that close to being stabbed to death. he spent 30 years in aaniianeni— to death. he spent 30 years in parliament and— to death. he spent 30 years in parliament and he's seen it all.

sir parliament and he's seen it all. sin saeanen— parliament and he's seen it all. sir stephen timms tells his ineneiiiie— sir stephen timms tells his incredible story— sir stephen timms tells his incredible story later this hour . it incredible story later this hour . n nigni— incredible story later this hour . it might take— incredible story later this hour . it might take at— incredible story later this hour . it might take at ten with job aivens— . it might take at ten with job aivens ana— . it might take at ten with job adverts and theatre performances eveiaiing— adverts and theatre performances eveiaiing aeaaie— adverts and theatre performances excluding people based on skin aaain— excluding people based on skin aaain .— excluding people based on skin i. as— excluding people based on skin colour. it's so—called anti—racist- colour. it's so—called anti—racist who are the worst aiieniens— anti—racist who are the worst aiieniens .— anti—racist who are the worst offenders . the— anti—racist who are the worst offenders . the wise words of offenders. the wise words of main— offenders. the wise words of martin luther— offenders. the wise words of martin luther king feel like a distant— martin luther king feel like a distant memory— martin luther king feel like a distant memory in 2023 , and this distant memory in 2023, and this sananisea— distant memory in 2023, and this sananisea ne— distant memory in 2023, and this surprised me. brexit supporters are surprised me. brexit supporters naving— surprised me. brexit supporters naving a— surprised me. brexit supporters are having a bit— surprised me. brexit supporters are having a bit of a nervous ineakiavvn— are having a bit of a nervous breakdown, saying brexit is a iisasien— breakdown, saying brexit is a iisasaen .— breakdown, saying brexit is a disaster . well,— breakdown, saying brexit is a disaster . well, let me tell you, disaster. well, let me tell you, it's disaster. well, let me tell you, its naa— disaster. well, let me tell you, it's not perfect— disaster. well, let me tell you, it's not perfect ,_ disaster. well, let me tell you, it's not perfect , but we're out it's not perfect, but we're out ana— it's not perfect, but we're out and iii— it's not perfect, but we're out and in ie— it's not perfect, but we're out and i'll be launching my staunch ieienee— and i'll be launching my staunch ieienee ai— and i'll be launching my staunch defence of our— and i'll be launching my staunch defence of our departure from the defence of our departure from ine niac— defence of our departure from the bloc after— defence of our departure from the bloc after .— the bloc after. ten vav.— the bloc after. ten now, listen, no one likes the bloc after. ten— now, listen, no one likes sunday nigni— now, listen, no one likes sunday nigni ieaase— now, listen, no one likes sunday night because you're worried anaaa— night because you're worried anaaa vant— night because you're worried about work tomorrow. you're iiving— about work tomorrow. you're anving aa— about work tomorrow. you're anving aa gei— about work tomorrow. you're trying to get the_ about work tomorrow. you're trying to get the kids to bed.