events that many of you will never forget. the horrific killing of lee rigby and the manchester arena bombing. now, today marks the anniversary of birth. and i'm wondering, in today marks the anniversary of birth. and i'm wondering , in the birth. and i'm wondering, in the uk, when it comes to extremism , uk, when it comes to extremism, are we in a better place or not.7 and when it comes to mps in this country, are we expected them to operate at the same standard to us.7 are we being a little bit deluded? what us? are we being a little bit deluded? what do you make to things like suella braverman trying to get a one on one speed awareness course ? rachel reeves

awareness course? rachel reeves flying business class? et cetera. et cetera. are they like us or should they be different and low traffic neighbourhoods? do you live in one or near one? is it time we scrap them? it seems now we can't even find evidence that they even reduce mileage. what's the point in them then? and another search for madeleine mccann, which involves british police about to commence now . i say this with commence now. i say this with a heavy heart. i am a mom to a child that's not too dissimilar to the age that madeleine was when she went missing. but many children go missing in this country. is it time now to almost draw the line when it comes to time invested and funding? should there ever be a line or not? do you just continue forever and ever? you tell me. well, i've it all to come. but before we do, let's bnng come. but before we do, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. michelle thank you. well, the top story at 6:01— michelle thank you. well, the top story at 6:01 on- michelle thank you. well, the top story at 6:01 on gb- f well, the top story at 6:01 on gb news

tonight,— top story at 6:01 on gb news tonight, as— top story at 6:01 on gb news tonight, as you've been hearing, a new major search— tonight, as you've been hearing, a new major search for madeleine mccann— a new major search for madeleine mccann wm— a new major search for madeleine mccann will begin— a new major search for madeleine mccann will begin tomorrow . so mccann will begin tomorrow. so portuguese— mccann will begin tomorrow. so portuguese police— mccann will begin tomorrow. so portuguese police will search a ete— portuguese police will search a remote reservoir— portuguese police will search a remote reservoir on the algarve, emet— remote reservoir on the algarve, wmet me— remote reservoir on the algarve, which the main— remote reservoir on the algarve, which the main suspect in the met te— which the main suspect in the case used to frequent . the area case used to frequent. the area is case used to frequent. the area te mett— case used to frequent. the area te eteut eo— case used to frequent. the area is about 30 miles— case used to frequent. the area is about 30 miles from the reset— is about 30 miles from the resort m— is about 30 miles from the resort in praia— is about 30 miles from the resort in praia da luz, where meteteme— resort in praia da luz, where madeleine went— resort in praia da luz, where madeleine went missing in two mement— madeleine went missing in two tteueemt mt— madeleine went missing in two thousand and seven. the search is thousand and seven. the search te expected— thousand and seven. the search te expected te— thousand and seven. the search is expected to last— thousand and seven. the search is expected to last two days wette— is expected to last two days we a— is expected to last two days while a news— is expected to last two days while a news here at home, the meme— while a news here at home, the meme secretary— while a news here at home, the home secretary says she's eemttemt— home secretary says she's confident there _ home secretary says she's confident there was nothing mtewmt — confident there was nothing mtewmt m— confident there was nothing untoward in the— confident there was nothing untoward in the way she handled a meme— untoward in the way she handled a speeding offence. suella braverman is— a speeding offence. suella braverman is accused of asking for braverman is accused of asking tee a— braverman is accused of asking tee a mtvete— braverman is accused of asking for a private speed awareness to te— for a private speed awareness course to be arranged after she caught— course to be arranged after she was caught speeding last year. if was caught speeding last year. tt tt-e— was caught speeding last year. tt tt-e true,— was caught speeding last year. tt tt-e tme, tt— was caught speeding last year. if it's true, it could be a team— if it's true, it could be a team et— if it's true, it could be a breach of the- if it's true, it could be a breach of the ministerial code . breach of the ministerial code. me— breach of the ministerial code. the meme— breach of the ministerial code. the prime minister has spoken to his the prime minister has spoken to me etmee— the prime minister has spoken to his ethics adviser,— the prime minister has spoken to his ethics adviser, but there's going— his ethics adviser, but there's going te— his ethics adviser, but there's gemg to te— his ethics adviser, but there's gemg to be me— his ethics adviser, but there's going to be no inquiry. earlier, the meme— going to be no inquiry. earlier, the home secretary didn't deny eetmg— the home secretary didn't deny eetmg etvtt— the home secretary didn't deny asking civil servants for teeteemete— asking civil servants for assistance last summer i was epeetme. — assistance last summer i was epeetmg. ._ assistance last summer i was speeding. i regret- assistance last summer i was speeding. ”tinge; assistance last summer i was speeding. g t: speeding. i regret that i paid the fine and i took the points. but we're focussed now on delivering for the british

people and working for them. did you ask civil servants to put— did you ask civil servants to put yet— did you ask civil servants to put you em— did you ask civil servants to put you on e— did you ask civil servants to put you on a one- did you ask civil servants to put you on a one on one speeding course in relation— put you on a one on one speeding course in relation to— put you on a one on one speeding course in relation to the pteeeeee — course in relation to the pteeeeee t-m- course in relation to the process? cit" process? i'm focussed on delivering for the british people. do my job as home secretary. what i will say is that in my view, confident that in my view, i'm confident that in my view, i'm confident that untoward has that nothing untoward has happened. well, that nothing untoward has happened . well, the shadow happened. well, the shadow putte— happened. well, the shadow public health— : well, the shadow public health minister, andrew gwynne,— public health minister, andrew ewyme, sett— public health minister, andrew gwynne, said suella braverman must— gwynne, said suella braverman met 90-— gwynne, said suella braverman met 90- me— gwynne, said suella braverman meet to. tve get— gwynne, said suella braverman must go. i've got real frustration _ must go. i've got real frustration here about this because— frustration here about this because at— frustration here about this because at a— frustration here about this because at a time of a cost of mm;— because at a time of a cost of mm mete— because at a time of a cost of living crisis that— because at a time of a cost of living crisis that people want teet— living crisis that people want real answers— living crisis that people want real answers to _ living crisis that people want real answers to at the time that our real answers to at the time that tes— real answers to at the time that tts te— real answers to at the time that tts te em— real answers to at the time that our nhs is on its— real answers to at the time that our nhs is on its knees and meets— our nhs is on its knees and meets ttxtme— our nhs is on its knees and needs fixing, we're here yet teem— needs fixing, we're here yet again tettmg— needs fixing, we're here yet again talking about another tory mmtetet— again talking about another tory mmtetet whe— again talking about another tory minister who has— again talking about another tory minister who has sought to bend the mete— minister who has sought to bend the meet may— minister who has sought to bend the rules, play the— minister who has sought to bend the rules, play the system for mett— the rules, play the system for ttett ewm— the rules, play the system for their own advantage . o” tact. their own advantage. of course, she meets— their own advantage. of course, she meets to— their own advantage. of course, she needs to face an ethics adviser. i would go further. i think rishi sunak needs to show some leadership and show her the door. well, some leadership and show her the door . well, labour has warned door. well, labour has warned tetey— door. well, labour has warned tetey met— door. well, labour has warned today that the— door. well, labour has warned today that the nhs— : well, labour has warned today that the nhs won't survive if today that the nhs won't survive tt emetmet— today that the nhs won't survive if another conservative govemmemt— if another conservative government setting out his men—

government setting out his vtetem tet— government setting out his vision for the— government setting out his vision for the national health seeme— vision for the national health semtee, str— vision for the national health service, sir keir— vision for the national health service, sir keir starmer ptemteet— service, sir keir starmer ptemteet tt— service, sir keir starmer promised it to- service, sir keir starmer promised it to get the nhs back on tte— promised it to get the nhs back on tte teet— promised it to get the nhs back on tte teet tt— promised it to get the nhs back on its feet if his— promised it to get the nhs back on its feet if his won party mett— on its feet if his won party mext ttme— on its feet if his won party next time. he— on its feet if his won party next time. he pledged to reduce tes— next time. he pledged to reduce tts wettme— next time. he pledged to reduce nhs waiting lists— next time. he pledged to reduce nhs waiting lists ._ next time. he pledged to reduce nhs waiting lists. he committed to mttme— nhs waiting lists. he committed to mttme tme— nhs waiting lists. he committed to hitting the four— nhs waiting lists. he committed to hitting the four hour a&e target,— to hitting the four hour a&e target, ee— to hitting the four hour a&e target, as well— to hitting the four hour a&e target, as well as improving emtutemee— target, as well as improving ambulance response times as the meet— ambulance response times as the next eteettem— ambulance response times as the next eteettem m— ambulance response times as the next election in the— ambulance response times as the next election in the nhs is on me— next election in the nhs is on the ttme— next election in the nhs is on the ttme, tme— next election in the nhs is on the line, the conservative party met-e— the line, the conservative party tmt-e brought— the line, the conservative party that's brought it— the line, the conservative party that's brought it to its knees wttt— that's brought it to its knees wttt put— that's brought it to its knees wttt put tt— that's brought it to its knees wttt put tt m— that's brought it to its knees will put it in the— that's brought it to its knees will put it in the ground . that's brought it to its knees will put it in the ground. but mett— will put it in the ground. but meet my— will put it in the ground. but mark my words— will put it in the ground. but mark my words ,_ will put it in the ground. but mark my words , if- will put it in the ground. but mark my words , if all- will put it in the ground. but mark my words , if all we do in mark my words, if all we do in the labour party is to place the nhs on a pedestal and leave it there, that's not good enough either . we've got to fix the either. we've got to fix the fundamentals, renew to its purpose, make it fit for the future. now purpose, make it fit for the future . now the princess of future. now the princess of mates— future. now the princess of metee me— future. now the princess of wales has been— ”c: now the princess of wales has been telling children at me— wales has been telling children at the chelsea _ wales has been telling children at the chelsea flower show that you move— at the chelsea flower show that you move to — at the chelsea flower show that you have to work— at the chelsea flower show that you have to work hard to be a toyot. — you have to work hard to be a toyot. euptte— you have to work hard to be a royal. pupils from _ you have to work hard to be a royal. pupils from ten schools tuety— royal. pupils from ten schools were lucky enough to be joining the tttmeeee— were lucky enough to be joining the princess for— were lucky enough to be joining the princess for a _ were lucky enough to be joining the princess for a picnic at the

omuot— the princess for a picnic at the annual event,— the princess for a picnic at the annual event, she— the princess for a picnic at the annual event, she was asked by emtt— annual event, she was asked by one child what— annual event, she was asked by one child what it— annual event, she was asked by one child what it meant to be in the toyot— one child what it meant to be in the royal family— one child what it meant to be in the royal family and what does the royal family and what does the toyot— the royal family and what does the royal family— the royal family and what does the royal family do? she replied -iwe— the royal family do? she replied -iwe meme— the royal family do? she replied -iwe meme me— the royal family do? she replied . we help? we support all . did we help? we support all ttmte— . did we help? we support all ttmte ot— . did we help? we support all kinds of different— . did we help? we support all kinds of different people in the country— kinds of different people in the country mt— kinds of different people in the country out we— kinds of different people in the country and we showcase their omozmg— country and we showcase their amazing-adding,- country and we showcase their amazing adding, you have amazing work, adding, you have to wort— amazing work, adding, you have to wort tott— amazing work, adding, you have to work hard being a royal. now meotty— to work hard being a royal. now meotty o— to work hard being a royal. now meotty o ttme— to work hard being a royal. now nearly a third of— to work hard being a royal. now nearly a third of young survivor at nearly a third of young survivor ot the— nearly a third of young survivor at the manchester— nearly a third of young survivor at the manchester arena bombing teeetvet— at the manchester arena bombing teeetvet mo— at the manchester arena bombing received no professional support,— received no professional support, utm— received no professional support, with a new report out ttmtmg— support, with a new report out ttmtmg mett— support, with a new report out finding their experiences ueemt— finding their experiences weren't validated by adults in ooetttom— weren't validated by adults in poetttome ot— weren't validated by adults in positions of care— weren't validated by adults in positions of care ._ weren't validated by adults in positions of care . 22 people positions of care. 22 people toot— positions of care. 22 people toet mett— positions of care. 22 people lost their lives— positions of care. 22 people lost their lives when a suicide bomber— lost their lives when a suicide bomber detonated his device at the atom— bomber detonated his device at the ariana grande— bomber detonated his device at the ariana grande concert six years— the ariana grande concert six yeote ego.— the ariana grande concert six yeote ago. me— the ariana grande concert six years ago. the report showed three— years ago. the report showed three quarters— years ago. the report showed three quarters of— years ago. the report showed three quarters of children at me— three quarters of children at the event— three quarters of children at the event were _ three quarters of children at the event were mentally affected by me— the event were mentally affected by the attack,— the event were mentally affected by the attack, but— the event were mentally affected by the attack, but professional support— by the attack, but professional support esmt— by the attack, but professional support wasn't offered to them. in support wasn't offered to them. m tout— support wasn't offered to them. m tout out— support wasn't offered to them. m tout out ot— support wasn't offered to them. in four out of ten— support wasn't offered to them. in four out of ten cases, as mete-s— in four out of ten cases, as ttete-s e— in four out of ten cases, as there's a warning out today over there's a warning out today over the mute— there's a warning out today over the umte ot— there's a warning out today over the number of new— there's a warning out today over the number of new sophisticated tome— the number of new sophisticated scams doing the— the number of new sophisticated scams doing the rounds . the scams doing the rounds. the consumer group,— scams doing the rounds. the consumer group, which says at teest— consumer group, which says at teest tout,— consumer group, which says at teest tout, ee— consumer group, which says at least four, are currently on the

go. they— least four, are currently on the go. they include— least four, are currently on the go. they include fake paypal accounts or a— go. they include fake paypal accounts or a missing person's eppeet— accounts or a missing person's eppeet eut— accounts or a missing person's appeal and fraudulent app alerts . me— appeal and fraudulent app alerts . the government— appeal and fraudulent app alerts . the government plans to work utm— . the government plans to work uttm eteom — . the government plans to work uttm eteom to— . the government plans to work with ofcom to use— . the government plans to work with ofcom to use new technology to teueet— with ofcom to use new technology to teueet me— with ofcom to use new technology to reduce the number of scams . to reduce the number of scams. amt— to reduce the number of scams. amt pust— to reduce the number of scams. me just testy— to reduce the number of scams. and just lastly, a— to reduce the number of scams. and just lastly, a bus driver mom— and just lastly, a bus driver ttom oevom— and just lastly, a bus driver from devon has— and just lastly, a bus driver from devon has cashed in on a £1 mttttom— from devon has cashed in on a £1 mttttom pttze— from devon has cashed in on a £1 million prize from _ from devon has cashed in on a £1 million prize from a— from devon has cashed in on a £1 million prize from a lottery setetet— million prize from a lottery scratch card. _ million prize from a lottery scratch card. steve goodwin ptetet— scratch card. steve goodwin ptetet up— scratch card. steve goodwin ptetet up me— scratch card. steve goodwin picked up the winning bank , the picked up the winning bank, the oest— picked up the winning bank, the eest ttetets— picked up the winning bank, the cash tickets in— picked up the winning bank, the cash tickets in south devon umtst— cash tickets in south devon umtst me— cash tickets in south devon whilst he was— cash tickets in south devon whilst he was waiting for a temp— whilst he was waiting for a tetet .— whilst he was waiting for a tetet . me— whilst he was waiting for a kebab . the lucky winner says kebab. the lucky winner says tee-s— kebab. the lucky winner says tee-s going— kebab. the lucky winner says tee-s gomg to— kebab. the lucky winner says he's going to use— kebab. the lucky winner says he's going to use the money to buy— he's going to use the money to buy e— he's going to use the money to buy e mouse— he's going to use the money to buy a house and— he's going to use the money to buy a house and he plans a few tottteys— buy a house and he plans a few tottteys. out— buy a house and he plans a few holidays. but he— buy a house and he plans a few holidays. but he also says he'll keep— holidays. but he also says he'll keep working— holidays. but he also says he'll keep working on— holidays. but he also says he'll keep working on tv online , dab+ keep working on tv online, dab+ testo— keep working on tv online, dab+ tetto eut— keep working on tv online, dab+ tetto emt me— keep working on tv online, dab+ radio and the tunein app. this is radio and the tunein app. this ts ee— radio and the tunein app. this ts ee news.— radio and the tunein app. this is gb news. back— radio and the tunein app. this is gb news. back now to . michelle thanks for michelle- thanks for that, michelle— thanks for that, polly tttetette— thanks for that, polly . i tttemette— thanks for that, polly . i loved thanks for that, polly. i loved ttet— thanks for that, polly. i loved ttet test— thanks for that, polly. i loved that last story— thanks for that, polly. i loved that last story about the winner of £1 million. i love the way he sits and goes. yes, i'm

definitely going to keep on working. would you keep on working. would you keep on working if you won £1 million? and i'm fascinated to know your answers and you might start off saying, yes, i'm definitely going start working. keep going to start working. keep working. i came working. and then if i came to meet you again, i don't know, say, years time, would you say, five years time, would you still or not? i'm still be grafting or not? i'm not if i won the lottery, not sure if i won the lottery, i would carry on working. no offence bosses offence to. my bosses are listening. i think i'd dedicate my time. don't know. perhaps my time. i don't know. perhaps full time charity work or something like that, because i do nice, isn't it, to do think it's nice, isn't it, to have a little bit of structure about your life. anyway, let me know do if you know what you would do if you scooped the jackpot. joe phillips the political phillips is the political commentator. me, commentator. she's alongside me, alan co—founder of alan miller, the co—founder of the campaign. very the together campaign. very quickly all day. quickly. i ain't got all day. i'm supposed talking quickly. i ain't got all day. i'm this,)posed talking quickly. i ain't got all day. i'm this,tposetcouldn'talking about this, but i couldn't resist. would you work if you won the lottery? i would carry on working, think. yeah. on working, i think. yeah. because you'd like to come in here sit next me. well, i here and sit next to me. well, i definitely like _ here and sit next to me. well, i definitely like to _ here and sit next to me. well, i definitely like to do _ here and sit next to me. well, i definitely like to do that,- e�*t: l well, i definitely like to do that, but i definitely like to do that, but t ttmt— definitely like to do that, but t tmmt ttet— definitely like to do that, but i think that we— definitely like to do that, but i think that we can be of semtee— i think that we can be of- service _contribution service and make a contribution to—mot— service and make a contribution to—mot ett— service and make a contribution to_not all about- to things. it's not all about money — to things. it's not all about money. you're— to things. it's not all about money. you're a- to things. it's not all about money. /t:::t. d “ft" to things. it's not all about- money. you're a good man, aren't you? would you carry on working?

yeah. keep busy. i mean, maybe etettty— yeah. keep busy. i mean, maybe emettty ot— yeah. keep busy. i mean, maybe charity or something,— / keep busy. i mean, maybe charity or something, but keep busy. —mottme. i busy. i couldn't do nothing. teem—set- busy. i couldn't do nothing. teem—set up- busy. i couldn't do nothing. yeah-set up a. yeah i think i'd set up a foundation— yeah i think i'd set up a foundation help yeah i think i'd set up a foundation-help that foundation to help people that yes-sttueetme— foundation to help people that was struggling and do was really struggling and do ttet— was really struggling and do ttet- — was really struggling and do that- because- was really struggling and do. that- becauseldo. that full time. because i do. what's that saying? the devil makes idle hands. makes work for idle hands. doesn't he? you wouldn't want any you? anyway any of that, would you? anyway get in touch with me. your thoughts on of that come thoughts on all of that to come tonight. news. tonight. gb views at gb news. .uk is the email as usual or you can tweet me at gb news. but tonight more serious matters, tonight on more serious matters, of course, been ten years of course, it's been ten years to day that fusilier lee to the day that fusilier lee rigby murdered on the rigby was murdered on the streets woolwich in east streets of woolwich in east london. many will london. in many of you will remember that horrific. well i've image i've got to say, that image will never personally leave my mind, that and also that is for sure. and also something will personally something that i will personally never and i'm sure i'm never forget. and i'm sure i'm not sixth not alone. it is the sixth anniversary man rochester anniversary of the man rochester arena today as well. and arena bombing today as well. and since of course, had since then, of course, we've had other attacks and we have with these conversations often about when comes to extremism in when it comes to extremism in this country. where are we at these days? are we in a better position than when we once were or not? me tonight is

or not? joining me tonight is major—general chip chapman , major—general chip chapman, former head of counter—terrorism at the ministry of defence. good evening to you, chip. i'll pose that question directly to you when it comes to extremism in this country, are we in a better position these days than we once were ? well, you can have were? well, you can have ettomemt— were? well, you can have abhorrent views- utztzfi’ well, you can have abhorrent views without tutttzzttzfi’ well, you can have abhorrent views without being someone who's— abhorrent views without being someone who's going to take part in someone who's going to take part m e— someone who's going to take part m e temottst— someone who's going to take part in a terrorist attack.— someone who's going to take part in a terrorist attack. so if you tete— in a terrorist attack. so if you tete tte— in a terrorist attack. so if you take the metrics— in a terrorist attack. so if you take the metrics of are we at ot— take the metrics of are we at ot e— take the metrics of are we at more of a threat— take the metrics of are we at more of a threat from terrorism, the mute— more of a threat from terrorism, the ts— more of a threat from terrorism, the answer is probably no. it's a the answer is probably no. it's e ttttetemt— the answer is probably no. it's a different question. if you say is a different question. if you say ts eommumtty— a different question. if you say is community cohesion as great as is community cohesion as great es tt— is community cohesion as great es tt wes— is community cohesion as great es tt amt— is community cohesion as great as it was? and the— is community cohesion as great as it was? and the answer to ttet— as it was? and the answer to ttet ts— as it was? and the answer to that is probably— as it was? and the answer to that is probably no as well. so tott— that is probably no as well. so totm mose— that is probably no as well. so both those things— that is probably no as well. so both those things can be true at the sme— both those things can be true at the same time.— both those things can be true at the same time. but— both those things can be true at the same time. but metrics the same time. but the metrics of the same time. but the metrics ot temottsm — the same time. but the metrics of terrorism coming out from lee rigby— of terrorism coming out from lee rigby ,— of terrorism coming out from lee ttgty , tot— of terrorism coming out from lee rigby , for example, would rigby, for example, would ptotepty— rigby, for example, would probably .vou- rigby, for example, would probably you that we're in probably tell you that we're in a probably tell you that we're in e tettet— probably tell you that we're in a better position— probably tell you that we're in a better position than we were mem— a better position than we were then, because _ a better position than we were then, because partly geopolitical events worldwide teve— geopolitical events worldwide have conspired _ geopolitical events worldwide have conspired against the temottsts— have conspired against the terrorists. that's the fall of tsts. — terrorists. that's the fall of tsts. tte— terrorists. that's the fall of isis. the decapitate of al—qaeda all isis. the decapitate of al—qaeda ett mose— isis. the decapitate of al—qaeda all those sorts— isis. the decapitate of al—qaeda all those sorts of— isis. the decapitate of al—qaeda all those sorts of things, along tutt— all those sorts of things, along uttm tt— all those sorts of things, along uttm tt you— all those sorts of things, along with if you look— all those sorts of things, along with if you look at— all those sorts of things, along with if you look at the metrics of with if you look at the metrics ot tte— with if you look at the metrics of the number— with if you look at the metrics of the number of— with if you look at the metrics of the number of arrests now, they-te— of the number of arrests now, tmey-te toum— of the number of arrests now, they're down significantly from emet— they're down significantly from utet ttey—

they're down significantly from what they were _ they're down significantly from what they were sort of five yeets— what they were sort of five yeets epo— what they were sort of five yeets ego .— what they were sort of five yeets ego , tte— what they were sort of five years ago , the length of years ago, the length of sentences— years ago, the length of sentences for- years ago, the length of sentences for those who were emestet— sentences for those who were emestet tot— sentences for those who were arrested for terrorism offences. most— arrested for terrorism offences. ttost ot— arrested for terrorism offences. ttost ot tmem — arrested for terrorism offences. most of them are— arrested for terrorism offences. most of them are for under four yees— most of them are for under four yes they-te— most of them are for under four yes tmey-te to— most of them are for under four years. they're to do with the dissemination _ years. they're to do with the dissemination of— years. they're to do with the dissemination of terrorist publications. _ dissemination of terrorist publications. but at the same ttme— publications. but at the same pme, mete— publications. but at the same time, there are— publications. but at the same time, there are worrying statistics— time, there are worrying statistics as— time, there are worrying statistics as well. so the mute— statistics as well. so the umte ot— statistics as well. so the number of investigations is remains pretty— number of investigations is remains pretty constant. somewhere— remains pretty constant. somewhere between 600 and 800 mtsesto— somewhere between 600 and 800 investors, nations.— somewhere between 600 and 800 investors, nations. that doesn't they-tt— investors, nations. that doesn't mean they'll all— investors, nations. that doesn't mean they'll all go into plots eut— mean they'll all go into plots emt tuto— mean they'll all go into plots and into terrorist— mean they'll all go into plots and into terrorist attacks. the umte— and into terrorist attacks. the umte ot— and into terrorist attacks. the number of attacks is down. the umte— number of attacks is down. the umte ot— number of attacks is down. the number of plots— number of attacks is down. the number of plots because the tememmett— number of plots because the benchmark is— number of plots because the benchmark is taken from march 17, benchmark is taken from march p, emet— benchmark is taken from march p, uttet es— benchmark is taken from march 17, which was the— benchmark is taken from march 17, which was the westminster etteet, — 17, which was the westminster etteet, ts— 17, which was the westminster etteet, ts st— 17, which was the westminster attack, is 37 plots. since then . so— attack, is 37 plots. since then . so over— attack, is 37 plots. since then . so tte— attack, is 37 plots. since then . so over the last— attack, is 37 plots. since then . so over the last six year pettoet— . so over the last six year period, that's— . so over the last six year period, that's 37- . so over the last six year period, that's 37 plots which uoutt— period, that's 37 plots which uoutt teve— period, that's 37 plots which would have gone into executive temottst— would have gone into executive terrorist action _ would have gone into executive terrorist action if— would have gone into executive terrorist action if there hadn't teem— terrorist action if there hadn't been external— terrorist action if there hadn't been external intervention by counter—terrorism police , m15 counter—terrorism police, m15 together.— counter—terrorism police, m15 togetmet. amt— counter—terrorism police, m15 together. and what do you think etout— together. and what do you think etout, tot— together. and what do you think about, for example, criticism of temps— about, for example, criticism of tunes tte— about, for example, criticism of things like prevent? �*tttttttzi; things like prevent? we see countess— things like prevent? we see countless reviews into that. a lot of criticism coming its way. where do you stand on it ?

where do you stand on it? prevent is a good thing. prevent is prevent is a good thing. prevent ts etueys— prevent is a good thing. prevent ts etueys going— prevent is a good thing. prevent is always going to— prevent is a good thing. prevent is always going to be criticised by those— is always going to be criticised by those uto— is always going to be criticised by those who oppose it, pettteutetty— by those who oppose it, particularly those who are of an tteotopteet— particularly those who are of an ideological extremist nature. most— ideological extremist nature. most particularly on the tstemtst— most particularly on the islamist side— most particularly on the islamist side ,- most particularly on the islamist side , because they see islamist side, because they see it islamist side, because they see tt being— islamist side, because they see it being against— islamist side, because they see it being against them and they'd like it being against them and they'd ttte to— it being against them and they'd ttte to see— it being against them and they'd like to see all— it being against them and they'd like to see all terrorist legislation _ like to see all terrorist legislation rescinded because ttet— legislation rescinded because ttetuoutt— legislation rescinded because that would further their sttetepte— that would further their strategic cause. so the fact of seteguettme— strategic cause. so the fact of safeguarding vulnerable people at safeguarding vulnerable people et e— safeguarding vulnerable people et e young— safeguarding vulnerable people et e yoump epe— safeguarding vulnerable people at a young age, because there is at a young age, because there is eyoume— at a young age, because there is avoung eomott— at a young age, because there is avoung eomott to— at a young age, because there is a young cohort to this is sometmmp— a young cohort to this is something that should be eppteutet— something that should be eppteutet .— something that should be applauded . you don't hear about applauded. you don't hear about the successes— applauded. you don't hear about the successes because there are setepuettme— the successes because there are safeguarding issues which are confidential— safeguarding issues which are confidential but— safeguarding issues which are confidential but prevent does a very— confidential but prevent does a very gooe— confidential but prevent does a very good job— confidential but prevent does a very good job et— confidential but prevent does a very good job at and you know, it very good job at and you know, tt meets— very good job at and you know, tt meets to— very good job at and you know, it needs to be— very good job at and you know, it needs to be supported. and we had it needs to be supported. and we ttet tte— it needs to be supported. and we had the shawcross_ it needs to be supported. and we had the shawcross review ttmemom— had the shawcross review rhiannon rightly. it's also not true— rhiannon rightly. it's also not true ttet— rhiannon rightly. it's also not true that there's— rhiannon rightly. it's also not true that there's a causal link between— true that there's a causal link between those _ true that there's a causal link between those who are referred to prevent— between those who are referred to prevent and— between those who are referred to prevent and the— between those who are referred to prevent and the channel ptoptem— to prevent and the channel ptogtem eut— to prevent and the channel ptogtem emt e— to prevent and the channel program and a linear progression touetts— program and a linear progression touetts temp— program and a linear progression towards being a— program and a linear progression towards being a terrorist . that towards being a terrorist. that stmpty— towards being a terrorist. that stmpty ts— towards being a terrorist. that stmpty ts mot— towards being a terrorist. that simply is not true. there sepetete— simply is not true. there separate processes and ptoeetutes— separate processes and procedures which happen if youe— procedures which happen if you're on various pathways. so

pust— you're on various pathways. so just teeuse— you're on various pathways. so just because you— you're on various pathways. so just because you are on prevent toes— just because you are on prevent toes mot— just because you are on prevent toes not me— just because you are on prevent does not mean you're going to teome— does not mean you're going to teome e— does not mean you're going to become a terrorist— does not mean you're going to become a terrorist in 5 or 10 yeets— become a terrorist in 5 or 10 yeets ttme— become a terrorist in 5 or 10 yeets ttme . — become a terrorist in 5 or 10 years time . g years time. interesting stuff. chip chapman, thank you very much for your insight there. joe phillips, what do you make some of this? well, i think it's interesting— of this? well, i think it's interesting what- 57 well, i think it's interesting what what he 37 well, i think it's interesting what what he just sett— interesting what what he just sett ttet— interesting what what he just sett ttet tte— interesting what what he just said that we don't about said that we don't hear about tte— said that we don't hear about the successes— said that we don't hear about the successes and, of course, you— the successes and, of course, you mow,— the successes and, of course, you mow, to— the successes and, of course, you mow, to we— the successes and, of course, you know, do we feel safer? woutt— you know, do we feel safer? wouttiteet— you know, do we feel safer? would .feel safer- you know, do we feel safer? would feel safer if we knew would we feel safer if we knew mou— would we feel safer if we knew how memy— would we feel safer if we knew how memy ptots— would we feel safer if we knew how many plots had been tmuettete— how many plots had been thwarted? i— how many plots had been thwarted? i mean , chip said 37 thwarted? i mean, chip said 37 smee— thwarted? i mean, chip said 37 zom— thwarted? i mean, chip said 37 since 2017. but— thwarted? i mean, chip said 37 since 2017. but that's probably a since 2017. but that's probably e smett— since 2017. but that's probably a small number— since 2017. but that's probably a small number compared to other tmmes— a small number compared to other tmmes uttere— a small number compared to other things where there's— a small number compared to other things where there's been more tmtememttom— things where there's been more intervention. i— things where there's been more intervention. i mean, you know , intervention. i mean, you know, if intervention. i mean, you know, tt you— intervention. i mean, you know, tt you tmmt— intervention. i mean, you know, if you think back— intervention. i mean, you know, if you think back to and many of the vteuets— if you think back to and many of the viewers and— if you think back to and many of the viewers and listeners will remember what— the viewers and listeners will remember what it was like when we on mainland— remember what it was like when we on mainland uk were mainland mttetm— we on mainland uk were mainland otttetm wee— we on mainland uk were mainland britain were living— we on mainland uk were mainland britain were living under the eomstemt— britain were living under the constant threat— britain were living under the constant threat and worry of an ira constant threat and worry of an ttet temo— constant threat and worry of an ira terror attack— constant threat and worry of an ira terror attack .— constant threat and worry of an ira terror attack . and of ira terror attack. and of course, we've- ira terror attack. and of course, we've had terrible tttmes— course, we've had terrible tmmps. vou— course, we've had terrible things. you know, you mentioned the things. you know, you mentioned tte eeue— things. you know, you mentioned the arena bombing, michel. we've had the arena bombing, michel. we've ttet tte— the arena bombing, michel. we've had the london— the arena bombing, michel. we've had the london bridge, westminster- had the london bridge, westminster bridge , borough westminster bridge, borough ttettet— westminster bridge, borough

ttettet. vou— westminster bridge, borough market. you know, liverpool womes— market. you know, liverpool women's hospital, the dover tttptemt— women's hospital, the dover migrant centre,— women's hospital, the dover migrant centre, and of course, ttet— migrant centre, and of course, ttet tte— migrant centre, and of course, we've had the murder of two mps in we've had the murder of two mps m mett— we've had the murder of two mps in their constituency as jo cox emo— in their constituency as jo cox emt oevtt— in their constituency as jo cox and david amess_ in their constituency as jo cox and david amess so it hasn't tome— and david amess so it hasn't gone euey— and david amess so it hasn't gone euey. eut— and david amess so it hasn't gone away. but i— and david amess so it hasn't gone away. but i think what is tmtetesttme— gone away. but i think what is interesting thing,— gone away. but i think what is interesting thing, interesting is interesting thing, interesting ts ptotepty— interesting thing, interesting is probably the— interesting thing, interesting is probably the wrong word, but mete— is probably the wrong word, but there seem— is probably the wrong word, but there seem to— is probably the wrong word, but there seem to be— is probably the wrong word, but there seem to be more lone wotes— there seem to be more lone wowest tt— there seem to be more lone wowest tt you— there seem to be more lone wolves, if you like. that makes mem— wolves, if you like. that makes them soumt— wolves, if you like. that makes them sound, you— wolves, if you like. that makes them sound, you know , romantic them sound, you know, romantic and,— them sound, you know, romantic emt, emo— them sound, you know, romantic emt, emt 900dt_ them sound, you know, romantic and, and good, which is not what i and, and good, which is not what t me— and, and good, which is not what t to— and, and good, which is not what t to sew— and, and good, which is not what i mean to say, but— and, and good, which is not what i mean to say, but i— and, and good, which is not what i mean to say, but i think there are i mean to say, but i think there peopte— i mean to say, but i think there are more people working alone. so are more people working alone. so eettetmty— are more people working alone. so oettetmty m— are more people working alone. so certainly in those cases, ot— so certainly in those cases, some of those— so certainly in those cases, some of those cases i've memttomet— some of those cases i've mentioned than all organised temotsm— mentioned than all organised terrorism. but— mentioned than all organised terrorism. but i— mentioned than all organised terrorism. but i think , you terrorism. but i think, you mow,— terrorism. but i think, you know tt-s— terrorism. but i think, you know, it's very— terrorism. but i think, you know, it's very difficult. how do know, it's very difficult. how to you— know, it's very difficult. how to you mete— know, it's very difficult. how do you make the— know, it's very difficult. how do you make the public feel safe wette— do you make the public feel safe wmte et— do you make the public feel safe wmte et tte— do you make the public feel safe while at the same— do you make the public feel safe while at the same time ask peopte— while at the same time ask peopte to— while at the same time ask peopte to te— while at the same time ask people to be aware and report sometmme— people to be aware and report something that's— people to be aware and report something that's untoward or susptetoms— something that's untoward or suspicions they've got? yeah. amt— suspicions they've got? yeah. amt tt— suspicions they've got? yeah. amt tt ttete — suspicions they've got? yeah. and if there was— suspicions they've got? yeah. and if there was like a mass eem— and if there was like a mass eem ute— and if there was like a mass event, like a— and if there was like a mass event, like a mass gathering or sometmme— event, like a mass gathering or sometmme .— event, like a mass gathering or sometmme , um— event, like a mass gathering or something , um, would there ever something, um, would there ever ttet— something, um, would there ever ttet cross— something, um, would there ever ttet yout— something, um, would there ever that cross your mind in terms of ettemtmp— that cross your mind in terms of ettemtmg huge-— that cross your mind in terms of attending huge. well you know, yeet— attending huge. well you know, yeem .— attending huge. well you know, yeem . t— attending huge. well you know, yeem . t me— attending huge. well you know, yeem . t .,_ attending huge. well you know, yeah . i mean i, you know, i'm yeah. i mean i, you know, i'm

we ett— yeah. i mean i, you know, i'm sure we all thought about it of the coronation— sure we all thought about it of the coronation the queen's tumetet— the coronation the queen's funeral last— the coronation the queen's funeral last year. any big eemts— funeral last year. any big events like— funeral last year. any big events like that, even the tutowtstom— events like that, even the eurovision song contest in ttwetpoot— eurovision song contest in ttwetpoot ot— eurovision song contest in liverpool or football matches, you— liverpool or football matches, you mow— liverpool or football matches, you know .— liverpool or football matches, you know , tte— liverpool or football matches, you know , the fa— liverpool or football matches, you know , the fa cup final, all you know, the fa cup final, all of you know, the fa cup final, all ot mose— you know, the fa cup final, all of those things— you know, the fa cup final, all of those things are in an tmmetemt— of those things are in an inherent risk.— of those things are in an inherent risk. but you know, as we mow— inherent risk. but you know, as we know ttom — inherent risk. but you know, as we know from those incidents, it's we know from those incidents, tt-s peopte— we know from those incidents, tt-s peopte pust— we know from those incidents, it's people just walking over westminster— it's people just walking over westminster bridge, people wettmp— westminster bridge, people wettmp owe— westminster bridge, people walking over london bridge, you mow— walking over london bridge, you know .— walking over london bridge, you know , stabbed— walking over london bridge, you know , stabbed or— walking over london bridge, you know , stabbed or mown down. know, stabbed or mown down. mete-s— know, stabbed or mown down. mete-s mo— know, stabbed or mown down. there's no rhyme— know, stabbed or mown down. there's no rhyme or reason. i t— there's no rhyme or reason. i t tmmt— there's no rhyme or reason. i mean, i think what chip chapman was mean, i think what chip chapman seytme— mean, i think what chip chapman seymp ttet— mean, i think what chip chapman was saying that the— mean, i think what chip chapman was saying that the security totees— was saying that the security forces secured _ was saying that the security forces secured services and the pope— forces secured services and the pottee mewe— forces secured services and the pottee mewe pot— forces secured services and the police have got much better toots— police have got much better toots mow— police have got much better toots .— police have got much better tools now . and— police have got much better tools now . and i- police have got much better tools now . and i think probably, tools now. and i think probably, you mow— tools now. and i think probably, you know .— tools now. and i think probably, you know , internet, social you know, internet, social mette— you know, internet, social mette ttet— you know, internet, social media, that sort of stuff is ptotetty— media, that sort of stuff is ptotepty e— media, that sort of stuff is probably a much better guidance. teem— probably a much better guidance. teem amu— probably a much better guidance. teem amt t— probably a much better guidance. teem amt t to— probably a much better guidance. yeah. and i do think— probably a much better guidance. yeah. and i do think also- probably a much better guidance. yeah. and i do think also as- yeah. and i do think also as well, there is a need for honesty . you know, when we're honesty. you know, when we're talking about prevent and things like that. and i think sometimes people are so afraid when it comes to political correctness and all the of because and all the rest of it, because the review, one of the the shawcross review, one of the things quite

things that i found quite interesting saying that interesting was it saying that the facts and i'm reading directly because don't wanna be in trouble for misquoting. of course, but the facts clearly demonstrate the most lethal threat 20 years has threat in the last 20 years has come islamism that come from islamism and that threat continues . then it goes threat continues. then it goes on to prevent must address on to say prevent must address all extremist ideologies. proportion albie according to the each represents. the threat, each represents. however, shawcross is saying his his research shows that the present boundaries around what is termed by prevent as an extremist islamist ideology, a are drawn too narrowly . why the are drawn too narrowly. why the boundanes are drawn too narrowly. why the boundaries around the ideology of the extreme right wing are too broad. it does not allow prevent to reflect accurately and deal effectively with the lethal risks that we actually face. i found that quite interesting. alan miller , your interesting. alan miller, your thoughts? ithink interesting. alan miller, your thoughts? i think that obviously it's thoughts? i think that obviously tt-s tmpottemt— thoughts? i think that obviously it's important that— 37 i think that obviously it's important that diligence eut— it's important that diligence emt tempt— it's important that diligence and behind the— it's important that diligence and behind the scenes investigations continue and ttet-s— investigations continue and that's important work . but i am that's important work. but i am concerned that— that's important work. but i am concerned that we've got a mtxtute— concerned that we've got a mtxtute ot— concerned that we've got a mixture of things that has meppemet.— mixture of things that has meppemet. so— mixture of things that has happened. so on the one hand, we

mewem-t— happened. so on the one hand, we haven't addressed— happened. so on the one hand, we haven't addressed the hearts and mtmts— haven't addressed the hearts and mtmts tte— haven't addressed the hearts and minds, the values,— haven't addressed the hearts and minds, the values, the virtues of minds, the values, the virtues ot whet-s— minds, the values, the virtues ot wmet-s so— minds, the values, the virtues of what's so great— minds, the values, the virtues of what's so great about britain mstotteetty— of what's so great about britain historically, much— of what's so great about britain historically, much of the kind of denigrating— historically, much of the kind of denigrating the hatred, this ttme— of denigrating the hatred, this ttmt ot— of denigrating the hatred, this ttmt ot sett— of denigrating the hatred, this kind of self hatred that i think eetuetty— kind of self hatred that i think was actually reflected back towetts— was actually reflected back towetts us— was actually reflected back towards us with— was actually reflected back towards us with the nihilistic temo— towards us with the nihilistic terror attacks _ towards us with the nihilistic terror attacks that that wanted to etteet— terror attacks that that wanted to attack anything that was etout— to attack anything that was etout ou— to attack anything that was about our way— to attack anything that was about our way of life, almost ute— about our way of life, almost ttte e— about our way of life, almost like a reflection— about our way of life, almost like a reflection of our own ttspust— like a reflection of our own disgust with— like a reflection of our own disgust with ourselves. we've tome— disgust with ourselves. we've tome mottmp— disgust with ourselves. we've done nothing but rape and ptttepe— done nothing but rape and pillage. there's nothing great etout— pillage. there's nothing great etout meow.— pillage. there's nothing great about history. the nation state is about history. the nation state ts ottem— about history. the nation state is often mocked— about history. the nation state is often mocked and the wtetottes— is often mocked and the victories of— is often mocked and the victories of history are often ptesemtet— victories of history are often ptesemtet m— victories of history are often presented in this whole litany of presented in this whole litany ot tempte— presented in this whole litany of terrible scourges that we've tome — of terrible scourges that we've tome .— of terrible scourges that we've tome . amt— of terrible scourges that we've tome . amt tt— of terrible scourges that we've done . and it gets— of terrible scourges that we've done . and it gets reflected. and done. and it gets reflected. and i done. and it gets reflected. and t ttmt— done. and it gets reflected. and t tmmt we— done. and it gets reflected. and i think we haven't— done. and it gets reflected. and i think we haven't addressed ttet— i think we haven't addressed ttet tssue— i think we haven't addressed that issue in— i think we haven't addressed that issue in terms of hearts eut— that issue in terms of hearts emt mmts— that issue in terms of hearts and minds and— that issue in terms of hearts and minds and ideas. and what's greet— and minds and ideas. and what's greet etout— and minds and ideas. and what's great about things. _ and minds and ideas. and what's great about things. so there's stttt— great about things. so there's stttt e— great about things. so there's still a potential— great about things. so there's still a potential for some of mose— still a potential for some of those tmmgs— still a potential for some of those things to— still a potential for some of those things to be there. in test,— those things to be there. in pm, we— those things to be there. in fact, we flatter— those things to be there. in fact, we flatter them too much. i fact, we flatter them too much. t-ttmt— fact, we flatter them too much. i-think something- fact, we flatter them too much. i think something has i also think something else has meppemet— happened that's very interesting and happened that's very interesting eet—tte- and concerning because the mmerteoott— commentator was talking about somestom— commentator was talking about cohesion-society— commentator was talking about cohesion society and what cohesion in society and what we've seen much— cohesion in society and what we've seen much more is an etremtsm— we've seen much more is an etremtsm ot— we've seen much more is an extremism of a— we've seen much more is an extremism of a refusal to allow

otwe— extremism of a refusal to allow civic engagement— extremism of a refusal to allow civic engagement .— extremism of a refusal to allow civic engagement . and you can't civic engagement. and you can't say civic engagement. and you can't sey ttet— civic engagement. and you can't sey tmet peopte— civic engagement. and you can't say that people are— civic engagement. and you can't say that people are saying that eetuetty— say that people are saying that eetuetty tt— say that people are saying that actually if come— say that people are saying that actually if come out, we can tttt— actually if come out, we can tttt teem.— actually if come out, we can kill them. and— actually if come out, we can kill them. and they're comparing peopte— kill them. and they're comparing peopte wto— kill them. and they're comparing peopte wmo tett— kill them. and they're comparing people who talk about sex based rtgtts— people who talk about sex based rtgtts .— people who talk about sex based rtgmts . tetttmg— people who talk about sex based rights , talking about gender as rights, talking about gender as tetmg— rights, talking about gender as tetmg emo— rights, talking about gender as being and fascists. so if they say— being and fascists. so if they sey ttet— being and fascists. so if they sey ttet e— being and fascists. so if they say that a woman is a woman and a man is a man, you— say that a woman is a woman and a man is a man, you can't you tewe— a man is a man, you can't you tree to— a man is a man, you can't you tree to te— a man is a man, you can't you tree to te wery— a man is a man, you can't you have to be very specific and steer— have to be very specific and steer etout— have to be very specific and clear about that— have to be very specific and clear about that and say that's a clear about that and say that's e or youre ter— clear about that and say that's a or you're far right. we've seen comments— a or you're far right. we've seen comments like that not just in seen comments like that not just tm-tut— seen comments like that not just tm-tut mere— seen comments like that not just in-but here we've- seen comments like that not just in but here we've seen in america, but here we've seen tetmg— in america, but here we've seen women being attacked at protests.— women being attacked at protests, not— women being attacked at protests, not just in new z..g...g,_ protests, not just in new zealand,-here- protests, not just in new- zealand,-here-speakers zealand, but here and speakers corner. we've seen— zealand, but here and speakers corner. we've seen a reluctance to emgege— corner. we've seen a reluctance to emgege tm— corner. we've seen a reluctance to emgege tm ttet— corner. we've seen a reluctance to engage in that type of thing. if to engage in that type of thing. tt—peopte- to engage in that type of thing. tt—peopte wttti if extremism where people will throw— if extremism where people will throw-you— if extremism where people will throw-you, they'll- if extremism where people will throw you, they'll say throw things at you, they'll say you— throw things at you, they'll say you-reve— throw things at you, they'll say you-have things- you should have things done to you.— you should have things done to you-lyou— you should have things done to youlyou sey— you should have things done to you. you say certain things you. if you say certain things eroumt— you. if you say certain things around issues— you. if you say certain things around issues and not just on tte— around issues and not just on the pus— around issues and not just on the campus but— around issues and not just on the campus but in everyday life, but the campus but in everyday life, tut eguetty— the campus but in everyday life, tut eguetty. rm— the campus but in everyday life, but equally, i'm concerned that meets— but equally, i'm concerned that meets em— but equally, i'm concerned that there's an overstretching of the stete— there's an overstretching of the stete tm— there's an overstretching of the stete tm ett— there's an overstretching of the state in all these— there's an overstretching of the state in all these things. so i tom-t— state in all these things. so i tom-t tmmt— state in all these things. so i don't think it's— state in all these things. so i don't think it's right that they ttet— don't think it's right that they ttet tte— don't think it's right that they that the state _ don't think it's right that they that the state attempts to limit wret— that the state attempts to limit wtet we— that the state attempts to limit wtet we sey. — that the state attempts to limit wtet we sey. t— that the state attempts to limit what we say. i think we have to be what we say. i think we have to te etre— what we say. i think we have to te ette to— what we say. i think we have to te ette to sey— what we say. i think we have to be able to say if— what we say. i think we have to be able to say if there's an tssue— be able to say if there's an tm— be 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a issue in a certain community or e group.— issue in a certain community or e group. ttet— issue in a certain community or e group. met we— issue in a certain community or a group, that we can have those ttseusstoms— a group, that we can have those discussions openly— a group, that we can have those discussions openly and seruttmtse— discussions openly and scrutinise them, that allow scrutinise them, that we allow peopte— scrutinise them, that we allow people-offended- scrutinise them, that we allow people offended and people to be offended and tmsuttet— people to be offended and insulted-with- people to be offended and insulted with freedom insulted actually with freedom tepemts— insulted actually with freedom tepemts upom— insulted actually with freedom depends upon it— insulted actually with freedom depends upon it and that we tom-t— depends upon it and that we tom-t stert— depends upon it and that we don't start calling people who are extreme with— don't start calling people who are extreme with their ideas potte— are extreme with their ideas politic albie— are extreme with their ideas politic albie as— are extreme with their ideas politic albie as terrorists necessarily— politic albie as terrorists necessarily .— politic albie as terrorists necessarily . dodi you might have necessarily. dodi you might have a necessarily. dodi you might have e retteet— necessarily. dodi you might have a radical idea— necessarily. dodi you might have a radical idea about reorganising the economy or etout— reorganising the economy or about providing— reorganising the economy or about providing its providing its about providing its providing tts peeeetut— about providing its providing its peaceful and its legal and tree.— its peaceful and its legal and free. because— its peaceful and its legal and free. because we've seen in tmertee— free. because we've seen in america, where _ free. because we've seen in america, where the discussion etout— america, where the discussion etout tmttte — america, where the discussion about antifa, where they're seytmg. — about antifa, where they're seytmg. wett— about antifa, where they're saying, well, perhaps we should mete— saying, well, perhaps we should mete trem— saying, well, perhaps we should mete tmem e— saying, well, perhaps we should make them a terror group because ttey-we — make them a terror group because they've attacked— make them a terror group because they've attacked people. you've got tews— they've attacked people. you've got laws already— they've attacked people. you've got laws already to exist for ttet— got laws already to exist for ttet-ttm- got laws already to exist for that-thing. so- got laws already to exist for that-thing. so i- got laws already to exist for that thing. so i think that kind of thing. so i think we meet— that kind of thing. so i think we meet e— that kind of thing. so i think we need a proportionate ttseusstom— we need a proportionate discussion but very discussion. but i am very concerned -fact| discussion. but i am very- concerned -fact that concerned about the fact that the concerned about the fact that. tree—teeomtmg the extremism that's becoming a bit the extremism that's becoming a ttt moe— the extremism that's becoming a bit more prevalent— the extremism that's becoming a bit more prevalent in society, vou— bit more prevalent in society, you-sav— bit more prevalent in society, you-sey tmmgs- bit more prevalent in society, you say things and you you can't say things and you eetuetty— you can't say things and you actually .violence- you can't say things and you actually violence to shut actually use violence to shut peopte— actually use violence to shut peopte-tout- people down you don't agree wttm —tot- people down you don't agree wttm —tot ot- people down you don't agree- with. _lot of people, with. yeah and a lot of people, by the way, when it comes to things like, you know, just stop oil and rest of it, a oil and all the rest of it, a lot of people will get in touch with me and say, these guys should qatar theorised as eco should be qatar theorised as eco terrorists a lot people

terrorists and a lot of people will definition of will use the definition of terrorism and apply to terrorism and apply it to some of their behaviours say, of their behaviours and say, well, including that well, how about including that group campaign and all the group and campaign and all the rest of it within terrorism definition? don't know. definition? so i don't know. sometimes like not sometimes it feels like not enough being enough people are perhaps being described terrorists. that described as terrorists. that should the should be. and then the boundanes should be. and then the boundaries side boundaries on the other side are getting terms of getting quite wide in terms of who are the people want to put into that bucket. you tell me your thoughts on that. well, i think alan says your thoughts on that. well, i think-alan says is- think what alan says is absolutely— think what alan says is absolutely right, that the temguege— absolutely right, that thei temguege—use absolutely right, that the- language_use from language that people use from across-political— across the political spectrumi can _offensive, can be vile, can be offensive, te— can be vile, can be offensive, can be threatening, and can be towmrtgtt—.- can be threatening, and can be downright_. but- can be threatening, and can be downright_. but ati downright frightening. but at the downright frightening. but at tree-ttme.— downright frightening. but at the _time,-agreel downright frightening. but at. the _time,-agree with the same time, and i agree with g...— the same time, and i agree with ttem. you— the same time, and i agree with ttem. you mow.— the same time, and i agree with alan, you know, you don't want to-you— alan, you know, you don't want to-you mow- alan, you know, you don't want to-you tmow .- to take up, you know, desperately- to take up, you know, desperately short resources of going— desperately short resources of gotmg to— desperately short resources of gotmg to tte— desperately short resources of going to the police or should you— going to the police or should you 90— going to the police or should you go to— going to the police or should you go to tte— going to the police or should you go to the police and say, or..— you go to the police and say, or. sometoty— you go to the police and say, oh, somebody said something mesty— oh, somebody said something mesty etout— oh, somebody said something nasty about me— oh, somebody said something nasty about me on twitter. it's etout— nasty about me on twitter. it's about striking— nasty about me on twitter. it's about striking the— nasty about me on twitter. it's about striking the balance. and about striking the balance. and a i about striking the balance. and e-t tttmt— about striking the balance. and e-t tmmt. ts- about striking the balance. and a-i think, is about- a lot of it, i think, is about mow— a lot of it, i think, is about how we— a lot of it, i think, is about how we educate- a lot of it, i think, is about how we educate and engage with young— how we educate and engage with youmg peopte— how we educate and engage with young people -_ how we educate and engage with young people - so_ how we educate and engage with young people . so alan and i were young people. so alan and i were just tetttmg— young people. so alan and i were just talking outside, michel, etout— just talking outside, michel, etout .— just talking outside, michel, etout . tm— just talking outside, michel, about, in fact,— just talking outside, michel, about , in fact, about the sort about, in fact, about the sort of about, in fact, about the sort ot stop— about, in fact, about the sort ot stop ott— about, in fact, about the sort of stop oil and— about, in fact, about the sort of stop oil and that sort of stutt. — of stop oil and that sort of stutt. amt— of stop oil and that sort of stuff. and it's— of stop oil and that sort of stuff. and it's about engaging momem— stuff. and it's about engaging

momem emt— stuff. and it's about engaging moment and what we were saying is moment and what we were saying ts ttet— moment and what we were saying ts ttet eetuetty— moment and what we were saying is that actually if— moment and what we were saying is that actually if you want peopte— is that actually if you want peopte to— is that actually if you want people to come— is that actually if you want people to come around to your way— people to come around to your wey ot— people to come around to your way of thinking,— people to come around to your way of thinking, you need to emgege—wot- way of thinking, you need toi emgege—wotlsey engage with them. not to say youre— engage with them. not to say you-re-wttm— engage with them. not to say you-re-wttm me- engage with them. not to say you're-with me or- engage with them. not to say you're with me or against you're either with me or against amt— you're either with me or against amt ttet— you're either with me or against me. and that-to- you're either with me or against me. and that-to be- you're either with me or against me. and that to be the me. and that seems to be the potertsettom— me. and that seems to be the potertsettom .— me. and that seems to be the polarisation . it's— me. and that seems to be the polarisation . it's so black or polarisation. it's so black or wttte— polarisation. it's so black or we tor— polarisation. it's so black or we tor or— polarisation. it's so black or white for or against. you're a, youre— white for or against. you're a, you mot.— white for or against. you're a, youre mot youre— white for or against. you're a, you're not, you're a terrorist. amt— you're not, you're a terrorist. amt we— you're not, you're a terrorist. amt we meet— you're not, you're a terrorist. and we need to— you're not, you're a terrorist. and we need to look at the temguege— and we need to look at the temguege. t— and we need to look at the language. i think that we and i do language. i think that we and i to get— language. i think that we and i to get wret— language. i think that we and i do get what you're saying. ' t: do get what you're saying. and i ttmt— do get what you're saying. and i think particularly in things like, you know, the gender stuff. yeah. you know, polarisation, we can bring people with us, the harsh people with us, but the harsh reality is this society, reality is in this society, there are people who literally hate our way of life. they do not like what we stand for. hate our way of life. they do not like what we stand for . they not like what we stand for. they want to do everything possible to undermine what we stand for, and they will stop at nothing. in some cases, as we very sadly experience it. you know, trying to kill people , trying to amend to kill people, trying to amend , modify, restrict our way of living because they do not like it. and unfortunately, a lot of those people , all they value those people, all they value dying in the same way as many of us value living. and i think

when you come to those people having a nice rational conversation and all the rest of it and trying to find points of agreement, i think people are way for that. but way too far gone for that. but what do you make to all get in touch? gb views gbnews.uk is how you can reach me. i'm going to have quick when i come have a quick break. when i come back, some of your responses on that but also we'll all be that one, but also we'll all be familiar by won't familiar by now, won't we? suella she's been suella braverman and she's been in and labour in trouble again and i do labour that point again because part of me cannot help but wonder do people really actually care about thing? or is about this speeding thing? or is it just latest of it just the latest example of people trying to give her the boot because don't boot because they don't like some stuff that some of the other stuff that she's i'll let you be she's saying? i'll let you be the judge of that and certainly what but anyway, when what i think. but anyway, when it mps, are we a it does come to mps, are we a little bit deluded? we're sitting here saying, at sitting here saying, look at rishi in helicopter, look at rishi in his helicopter, look at her to get one on one her trying to get a one on one course, look at her with a business class flight. so what? wouldn't doing if we

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radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. joe phillips is alongside me, the political— joe phillips is alongside me, the political commentator, as is trem— the political commentator, as is ttem totter— the political commentator, as is alan miller, the— the political commentator, as is alan miller, the co—founder of the together— alan miller, the co—founder of the together campaign. good ewemtmg— the together campaign. good ewemtmg .— the together campaign. good evening . earlier— the together campaign. good evening . earlier on at the start evening. earlier on at the start of evening. earlier on at the start ot tte— evening. earlier on at the start of the programme, i was talking etout— of the programme, i was talking etout tottery— of the programme, i was talking about lottery winning i was about lottery winning and i was esttmg— about lottery winning and i was esttmg you— about lottery winning and i was asking you would— about lottery winning and i was asking you would you carry on worttmg— working if you scooped the remote— working if you scooped the jackpot? referring to jackpot? i'm referring to that tette— jackpot? i'm referring to that tette-tust— jackpot? i'm referring to that fella-just won- jackpot? i'm referring to that fella-just won £1- jackpot? i'm referring to that fella just won £1 million fella that just won £1 million emt— fella that just won £1 million emt sett— fella that just won £1 million and said that— fella that just won £1 million and said that would. jeanette fella that just won £1 million and tlotteryit would. jeanette fella that just won £1 million and tlottery winnersuld. jeanette fella that just won £1 million and tlottery winners shouldn'ttte says lottery winners shouldn't tete— says lottery winners shouldn't tete tots— says lottery winners shouldn't tete tots ott— says lottery winners shouldn't take jobs off people that need them — take jobs off people that need them .— take jobs off people that need them . om — take jobs off people that need them . om om— take jobs off people that need them . oh. oh. jeanette jack says them. oh. oh. jeanette jack says gutt— them. oh. oh. jeanette jack says gutt wort— them. oh. oh. jeanette jack says gutt wort tt— them. oh. oh. jeanette jack says gutt wort tt you— them. oh. oh. jeanette jack says quit work if you won a million, surety— quit work if you won a million, surety tt— quit work if you won a million, surely it depends— quit work if you won a million, surely it depends what job youe— surely it depends what job youwe got— surely it depends what job you've got and— surely it depends what job you've got and whether or not you— you've got and whether or not you towe— you've got and whether or not you towe or— you've got and whether or not you love or hate.— you've got and whether or not you love or hate. it actually etts— you love or hate. it actually etts tt— you love or hate. it actually adds it depends— you love or hate. it actually adds it depends where you live, teeuse— adds it depends where you live, teeuse tt— adds it depends where you live, because if you're _ adds it depends where you live, because if you're london, for because if you're in london, for exempte— because if you're in london, for exempte. e— because if you're in london, for example, a million— because if you're in london, for example, a million quid, it'll soumt— example, a million quid, it'll soumt e— example, a million quid, it'll sound a fortune— example, a million quid, it'll sound a fortune if you're etsewtere— elsewhere, but £1 million ttet-tt— elsewhere, but £1 million that'll-don't. elsewhere, but £1 million. that'll-don't know, that'll get you, i don't know, some - little _ that'll get you, i don't know, some .little box- that'll get you, i don't know, some little box flat some tiny little box flat somewhere.— some tiny little box flat somewhere. sunak yeah. so i guess— somewhere. sunak yeah. so i guess ttts— somewhere. sunak yeah. so i guess it's. .also,- somewhere. sunak yeah. so i guess it's. also, what kind guess it's. and also, what kind of guess it's. and also, what kind ot-to— guess it's. and also, what kind ot-to you— guess it's. and also, what kind of-do you want— guess it's. and also, what kind of-do you want as- guess it's. and also, what kind of do you want as well if of life do you want as well if you— of life do you want as well if you-to— of life do you want as well if you-to tewe— of life do you want as well if you-to have-life. of life do you want as well ifi you-to have-life of you want to have the a life of an you want to have the a life of mm— you want to have the a life of mm you— you want to have the a life of an-if you want- you want to have the a life of an-if you want to- you want to have the a life of an if you want to be on your an mp, if you want to be on your tetteopteu— an mp, if you want to be on your tetteopter. tt— an mp, if you want to be on your helicopter, if you _ an mp, if you want to be on your helicopter, if you want to be on your— helicopter, if you want to be on your tustmess— helicopter, if you want to be on your business class flights and all your business class flights and ett tte— your business class flights and ett the rest— your business class flights and all the rest-it,— your business class flights and all the rest it, you're not all the rest of it, you're not going— all the rest of it, you're not goinglgo_ all the rest of it, you're not going-90 very- all the rest of it, you're not going go very far with your going to go very far with your mttttom— going to go very far with your mttttom gutt— going to go very far with your million quid-a— going to go very far with your million quid a like million quid in a place like tomtom— million quid in a place like london-brings-

million quid in a place like- london.-brings-nicely. london. which brings me nicely. do london. which brings me nicely. to you— london. which brings me nicely. to you see— london. which brings me nicely. do you see what— london. which brings me nicely. do you see what i— london. which brings me nicely. do you see what i did there? i mow— do you see what i did there? i tmow wret— do you see what i did there? i know what i'm— do you see what i did there? i know what i'm getting better at this know what i'm getting better at trots-toot— know what i'm getting better at tmts-toot me— know what i'm getting better at this-took me two- know what i'm getting better at this took me two years. i'm this dodi took me two years. i'm getttmg— this dodi took me two years. i'm getttmg tetter. — this dodi took me two years. i'm getting better. getting getting better. i'm getting better.— getting better. i'm getting better. everyone but yes, of course _suella - course i refer to suella- braverman.-trouble braverman. she's in trouble egetm. — braverman. she's in trouble egetm. .wttt— braverman. she's in trouble again. .will have- braverman. she's in trouble again. will have heard about again. you will have heard about this again. you will have heard about tms—weetemt. i this perhaps at the weekend. ceugmt— this perhaps at the weekend. caught speeding. she then reguestet— requested a one on one speeding course-tte— requested a one on one speeding course-the civil- course through the civil serwtee. — course through the civil service. everyone, course, service. everyone, of course, gotmg— service. everyone, of course, going absolutely— service. everyone, of course, going absolutely about going absolutely mental about this going absolutely mental about tms—ot- going absolutely mental about this—of calls- going absolutely mental about this—of calls fori this and all kinds of calls for investigations— this and all kinds of calls for investigations and that investigations and this and that and investigations and this and that emt—tte— investigations and this and that emt—tte tttp- investigations and this and that and—the flip side,| and the other on the flip side, youe— and the other on the flip side, youwe got— and the other on the flip side, you've got rachel— and the other on the flip side, you've got rachel reeves. she sme— you've got rachel reeves. she she .sometimes- you've got rachel reeves. she she sometimes can't get my she and sometimes i can't get my teet— she and sometimes i can't get my meet—tom-ti head around what people i don't mow— head around what people i don't mowe-re— head around what people i don't know-are a bit- head around what people i don't know are a bit thick know if people are a bit thick orltmey— know if people are a bit thick orltmey-tom-t- know if people are a bit thick or they don't think or if they just don't think tttmgs— or if they just don't think things through properly or what. she things through properly or what. ste put— things through properly or what. ste put e— things through properly or what. she put a picture— things through properly or what. she put a picture on twitter. i tmmt— she put a picture on twitter. i tmmt tt— she put a picture on twitter. i tmmt tt ws— she put a picture on twitter. i think it was of— she put a picture on twitter. i think it was of a— she put a picture on twitter. i think it was of a flight ticket emt—t— think it was of a flight ticket emt—t me- think it was of a flight ticket and—i mean, i. think it was of a flight ticket. and—i mean, i don't and a passport. i mean, i don't mow— and a passport. i mean, i don't mow-peopte— and a passport. i mean, i don't know-people-the- and a passport. i mean, i don't know people the need to know why people feel the need to do know why people feel the need to to-tut— know why people feel the need to to-tut emywey— know why people feel the need to do - but anyway, - put - do this. but anyway, she put a pteture— do this. but anyway, she put a pteture ot— do this. but anyway, she put a pteture ot e— do this. but anyway, she put a picture of a flight— do this. but anyway, she put a picture of a flight ticket and a pessport— picture of a flight ticket and a pessport seytmg— picture of a flight ticket and a passport saying was off to passport saying she was off to new— passport saying she was off to new tort— passport saying she was off to new tort-try— passport saying she was off to new york-try-sort- passport saying she was off to new york try sort out new york to try and sort out tmmgs— new york to try and sort out tmmgs tte— new york to try and sort out things like the— new york to try and sort out things like the digital economy. but things like the digital economy. tut tottowtmg— things like the digital economy. but following plan, she left but following the plan, she left a but following the plan, she left e—p.— but following the plan, she left ._p, wttet- but following the plan, she left a_it, which was a seat number on it, which was tree— a seat number on it, which was three t— a seat number on it, which was three k business— a seat number on it, which was three k business class, club wortt— three k business class, club world, whatever— three k business class, club world, whatever want to call world, whatever you want to call it. world, whatever you want to call tt. ltot— world, whatever you want to call tt. ltot ot— world, whatever you want to call tt. ltot ot peopte— world, whatever you want to call it..lot of people are- world, whatever you want to call it. lot of people are up in it. a lot of people are up in mso-m— it. a lot of people are up in arms how expensive that arms about how expensive that wes-ot— arms about how expensive that wes-ot-you-we- arms about how expensive that was. - of _you've got i was. and of course you've got tmmgs— was. and of course you've got tmmgs-ttsm — was. and of course you've got things rishi sunak. things like rishi sunak. he's teem—

things like rishi sunak. he's been .trouble_ things like rishi sunak. he's been trouble getting been in trouble for getting tetteopters— helicopters here, there and everywhere.— helicopters here, there and everywhere. he— helicopters here, there and everywhere. he got thinking, everywhere. he got me thinking, i if everywhere. he got me thinking, t—tt wette— everywhere. he got me thinking, i_if we're being- i don't know if we're being a bit i don't know if we're being a ttt tetutet— i don't know if we're being a bit deluded as— i don't know if we're being a bit deluded as members of the putte— bit deluded as members of the. puttte—emt public because you sit there and you-toot.— public because you sit there and you-toot. ste-s- public because you sit there and you look, she's doing you say, oh, look, she's doing tms— you say, oh, look, she's doing tms-te-s— you say, oh, look, she's doing this-he's doing- you say, oh, look, she's doing this he's doing that, and this and he's doing that, and all this and he's doing that, and ett ttet. — this and he's doing that, and all that. well,— this and he's doing that, and all that. well, you were all that. well, if you were suette— all that. well, if you were suella braverman, why wouldn't you-get— suella braverman, why wouldn't you-get e— suella braverman, why wouldn't you-get e ome- suella braverman, why wouldn't you-get e om- suella braverman, why wouldn't you get a one on one you try and get a one on one speettmg— you try and get a one on one speeding course?— you try and get a one on one speeding course? of course you woutt. — speeding course? of course you woutt. ton-t— speeding course? of course you would. don't do— speeding course? of course you would. ttzzt" c t:t:::t g would. don't do it through you don't it through your civil don't do it through your civil servants. that's her servants. i mean, that's her problem. the problem. it's not about the speeding. about whether problem. it's not about the spetwas]. about whether problem. it's not about the spetwas going about whether problem. it's not about the spetwas going to about whether problem. it's not about the spetwas going to do out whether problem. it's not about the spetwas going to do ait whether problem. it's not about the spetwas going to do a onetether problem. it's not about the spetwas going to do a one on er problem. it's not about the spetwas going to do a one on one she was going to do a one on one course or whether she was just going to suck it up, take the points and pay the fine. she shouldn't have the civil shouldn't have asked the civil servant up. she could servant to set it up. she could have. should have have. she should have got a lawyer to try and sort it out for then people have for her. but then people have teem— for her. but then people have teem erytmg— but then people have been crying because she then ottset— been crying because she then ottset tte— been crying because she then offset the cost— been crying because she then offset the cost of— been crying because she then offset the cost of the lawyer. amt— offset the cost of the lawyer. amt wty— offset the cost of the lawyer. and why wouldn't you just ask? why— and why wouldn't you just ask? wty oouttn-t— and why wouldn't you just ask? wty eouttmt-pey— and why wouldn't you just ask? why couldn't-pay for- why couldn't she pay for the lawyer you it's lawyer herself? you know, it's all you know. so who all actually, you know. so who would lawyer all actually, you know. so who would - lawyer have - f so who would lawyer have asked? would the lawyer have asked? tut— would the lawyer have asked? tut eppereutty— would the lawyer have asked? but apparently, according- but apparently, according to a lawyer been quite lawyer who has been quoted quite a lot over the last couple of days, it uncommon for days, it is not uncommon for people the public eye to have people in the public eye to have one one awareness one on one speed awareness coui'ses. one on one speed awareness courses. so it's not completely one on one speed awareness cou of s. so it's not completely one on one speed awareness

cou of the) it's not completely one on one speed awareness cou of the blue, �*iol completely one on one speed awareness cou of the blue, but:ompletely one on one speed awareness cou of the blue, but itnpletely one on one speed awareness cou of the blue, but it does ely out of the blue, but it does seem a bit ridiculous to ask the civil deal with civil servants to deal with something that is not to do with her home secretary at her role as home secretary or at the she was the attorney the time she was the attorney general. it's about process, michelle, all about michelle, and it's all about perception. know, the perception. you know, the perception. you know, the perception rachel reeves perception. you know, the percep'inn rachel reeves perception. you know, the percep'in businessel reeves perception. you know, the percep'in business classzves perception. you know, the percep'in business class flying sitting in business class flying to although to new york, although apparently that for by a that flight was paid for by a labour and will be labour donor and will be declared in the register. you know, but it makes people think they're hypocritical. rishi sunak using a helicopter to fly to southampton. again, it's about perception. here's a prime minister who is fabulously wealthy . why did he need to go wealthy. why did he need to go by helicopter? he could have caught the train or he could have gone if he was really pushed for time, he could have gone somewhere a bit nearer. and we've got james cleverly. i think people are just- t:t:::t i think people are just being a bit think people are just being a ttt tetutet— think people are just being a bit deluded because it's at bit deluded because it's like at the bit deluded because it's like at tree-ot— bit deluded because it's like at tme-ot-tey— bit deluded because it's like at the-of-day, this- bit deluded because it's like at the-of-day, this is- bit deluded because it's like at the of day, this is the the end of the day, this is the tette— the end of the day, this is the tette ttet-s— the end of the day, this is the fella that's in— the end of the day, this is the fella that's in charge of rummtmg— fella that's in charge of running the— fella that's in charge of running the country. he's got a lot running the country. he's got a totlto. — running the country. he's got a totlto. ves— running the country. he's got a lot-do. yes, of— running the country. he's got a lot do. yes, of course. they lot to do. yes, of course. they eoutt— lot to do. yes, of course. they could -wandered- lot to do. yes, of course. they could -wandered .to l lot to do. yes, of course. they could wandered to the could have wandered off to the ttetet— could have wandered off to the ticket office _ could have wandered off to the ticket office and— could have wandered off to the ticket office and he could have got tms— ticket office and he could have got tms trem— ticket office and he could have got this train. he— ticket office and he could have got this train. he could have stoot— got this train. he could have stoot-gueue- got this train. he could have stood-queue and- got this train. he could have stood queue and he could stood in the queue and he could mewe— stood in the queue and he could have-transfers- have got his transfers here, mere—

have got his transfers here,- there—meem. there and everywhere. i mean, some-tut— there and everywhere. i mean, come-but nobody's- there and everywhere. i mean, come lgtzzt lg there and everywhere. i mean,- come-but nobody's going to come on. but nobody's going to expect prime minister to expect the prime minister to queue get a ticket to queue up and get a ticket to southampton. he could have gone somewhere james cleverly, somewhere nearer james cleverly, the foreign secretary, who's abroad at the abroad in the caribbean at the moment, using a private jet moment, is using a private jet that costs £10,000 an hour. so your issue with suella your issue with the suella braverman thing, example, your issue with the suella bratwhatin thing, example, your issue with the suella bratwhat she'stg, example, your issue with the suella bratwhat she's done. example, your issue with the suella bratwhat she's done. it'snple, your issue with the suella bratwhat she's done. it's the 3, not what she's done. it's the test— not what she's done. it's the test sme— not what she's done. it's the test ste ts— not what she's done. it's the fact she is an— not what she's done. it's the fact she is an admin person wttmm— fact she is an admin person within-service- fact she is an admin person. within-servicellook within the civil service to look tmto— within the civil service to look into something.— within the civil service to look into something. it's their into something. it's not their job-— into something. it's not their tot-turnt— into something. it's not their job-think what- into something. it's not their job. think what we're job. alan i think what we're seetmg— job. alan i think what we're seetmg ts— job. alan i think what we're seeing is that— job. alan i think what we're seeing is that one hand seeing is that on the one hand the trivialisation_ seeing is that on the one hand the trivialisation of a really tmportemt— the trivialisation of a really important position in public tte— important position in public we were— important position in public life where rather than the content— life where rather than the eomtemt ot— life where rather than the content of their policies and meets— content of their policies and teerts emt— content of their policies and hearts and minds being won over, temg— hearts and minds being won over, we're being distracted effectively _ we're being distracted effectively by some of these tmmgs— effectively by some of these tmmgs wmem— effectively by some of these things which are— effectively by some of these things which are really quite rttteutous— things which are really quite ridiculous. _ things which are really quite ridiculous. and— things which are really quite ridiculous. and i- things which are really quite ridiculous. 't: things which are really quite ridiculous . ' t: ridiculous. and i think also that within the civil service, there's a concerted effort to upend and topple. elected represents lives and which is very disingenuous and problematic. and there is an issue in the civil service , in issue in the civil service, in my opinion. i can hear people stouttmg— my opinion. i can hear people smouttmg et— my opinion. i can hear people shouting at the— t“ i can hear people shouting at the screen going, when— shouting at the screen going, when you— shouting at the screen going, wmem you sey— shouting at the screen going, when you say elected, they'll be smouttmg — when you say elected, they'll be smouttmg et— when you say elected, they'll be smouttmg et me— when you say elected, they'll be shouting at me. rishi sunak. we tttm-t— shouting at me. rishi sunak. we tttm-t moose— shouting at me. rishi sunak. we didn't choose them. that's what

trey-re— didn't choose them. that's what ttey-re-. — didn't choose them. that's what ttey-re-. wett- they're shouting. well, you mow.— they're shouting. well, you know, she's elected a member know, she's elected as a member of parliament. point of parliament. i mean, the point is civil service are not is the civil service are not elected all. and we've seen elected at all. and we've seen a concerted political politicisation around some issues. and it's pretty in contestable that whatever anyone thinks many people thinks about it, many people disagree with her views in the civil service and around her. but many of the much of the british public agree with many of and we're seeing of her views. and we're seeing limits what people in power limits to what people in power can actually do on the basis of having had a mandate on these things. but i think there's another thing which really another thing which is really important, that important, which is that the relationship public, relationship to the public, we're a cost of living, cost we're in a cost of living, cost of lockdown, crisis inflation. so much perception. so it's not so much perception. there's many there's a reality that many people have many these people have faced. many of these people have faced. many of these people responsible people have been responsible for having implemented that having implemented things that are causing these issues. are now causing these issues. the relationship to the public is one where they're often detached and they don't understand many of the issues , understand many of the issues, and that is an issue. and the thing about the public on the last didn't finish off last thing we didn't finish off was of public actually was many of the public actually intervened those terrible intervened in those terrible terrorist and they were terrorist attacks and they were

very public very brave. and the public should at the should always be at the forefront of and i'm forefront of this. and i'm concerned that the hand, concerned that on the one hand, we've trivialisation of we've got a trivialisation of politics and needs to politics and what needs to happen. important happen. the really important issues to be addressed issues that need to be addressed . winning hearts . and rather than winning hearts and minds and convincing the majority of people, we've got attempts to change voting patterns ages and patterns and ages and everything, what we see is this this attack on this basis. and i just think you're joking, right? she she takes some points versus going on a course. are we is this what we're spending our time talking about when we've got the issues that we're facing right but but in a way right now? but but in a way that, know her lack of that, you know her lack of judgement. underlines the judgement. alan underlines the potmt— judgement. alan underlines the potmt youre— judgement. alan underlines the point you're making. _ ::g alan underlines the point you're making. you know, tms— point you're making. you know, we ts— point you're making. you know, we ts e— point you're making. you know, this is a woman— point you're making. you know, this is a woman who because she eoutt— this is a woman who because she could-braverman- could suella braverman do emytmmg— could suella braverman do anytbing right— could suella braverman do anything right in your mind. suette— anything right in your mind. suella braverman— anything right in your mind. suella braverman makes me pine for compassionate heart of for the compassionate heart of pretty patel. i mean, suella braverman , i— pretty patel. i mean, suella braverman , i think,- i mean, suella braverman , i think, has shown braverman, i think, has shown some terrible— braverman, i think, has shown some terrible errors of tutgememt— some terrible errors of judgement. was forced some terrible errors of- judgement.-was forced to judgement. she was forced to restgm— judgement. she was forced to restgm trom — judgement. she was forced to resign from liz— judgement. she was forced to resign from liz truss's brief gowemmemt— resign from liz truss's brief government just for sending out emetts. — government just for sending out emetts. t— government just for sending out emails. i mean— government just for sending out emetts. t .— government just for sending out emails. i mean , this is a woman emails. i mean, this is a woman who-s— emails. i mean, this is a woman wto-s mett— emails. i mean, this is a woman who's held the— emails. i mean, this is a woman who's held the highest legal ottse— who's held the highest legal ottteeltme— who's held the highest legal

office-the land.- who's held the highest legal office the land. this isn't office in the land. this isn't tte— office in the land. this isn't ttte emy— office in the land. this isn't ttte emylus.— office in the land. this isn't like any us. three suddenly like any of us. three suddenly temg— like any of us. three suddenly tetmg gotmg— like any of us. three suddenly being going, okay, your home secretery.— being going, okay, your home secretary, alan,— being going, okay, your home secretary, alan, and you don't mow— secretary, alan, and you don't tmow tow— secretary, alan, and you don't tmow mow tt— secretary, alan, and you don't know how it works. she was semttmg— know how it works. she was semttmg. you— know how it works. she was sending, you know, secure emails trom— sending, you know, secure emails trom e— sending, you know, secure emails trom e prtwete— sending, you know, secure emails from a private email address. so sme— from a private email address. so ste met— from a private email address. so ste ttet to— from a private email address. so she had to resign.— from a private email address. so she had to resign. now, you may guesttom— she had to resign. now, you may guesttom. es— she had to resign. now, you may guesttom. es t— she had to resign. now, you may question, as i would rishi sunak wtstom— question, as i would rishi sunak wtstom tm— question, as i would rishi sunak wisdom in reappointing her eertetmty— wisdom in reappointing her eertetmty es— wisdom in reappointing her certainly as home secretary, he eoutt— certainly as home secretary, he eoutt tewe— certainly as home secretary, he eoutt mewe got— certainly as home secretary, he could have got her— certainly as home secretary, he could have got her in the eettmet— could have got her in the cabinet on— could have got her in the cabinet on a— could have got her in the cabinet on a different job. this is cabinet on a different job. this ts etout— cabinet on a different job. this ts etout em— cabinet on a different job. this is about an error— cabinet on a different job. this is about an error of judgement emt— is about an error of judgement emt youre— is about an error of judgement and you're absolutely right. it is and you're absolutely right. it ts eomptetety— and you're absolutely right. it is completely it's— and you're absolutely right. it is completely it's i don't mean to te— is completely it's i don't mean to te tute— is completely it's i don't mean to be rude, but— is completely it's i don't mean to be rude, but like, so what i tmmt— to be rude, but like, so what i tmmt peopte— to be rude, but like, so what i think people are— to be rude, but like, so what i think people are sitting here emt— think people are sitting here and honestly,— think people are sitting here and honestly, there's got, mere-s— and honestly, there's got, ttere-s so— and honestly, there's got, there's so many things going on in there's so many things going on m tms— there's so many things going on m we wortt— there's so many things going on in this world that— there's so many things going on in this world that you might mewe— in this world that you might have seen labour today, by the way— have seen labour today, by the wey tetttmg— have seen labour today, by the way talking about— have seen labour today, by the way talking about how they're going— way talking about how they're gotmg to — way talking about how they're gotmg toltte— way talking about how they're gotmg toltte-t- way talking about how they're going to .the _i wasl going to fix the nhs. i was going— going to fix the nhs. i was gomg to— going to fix the nhs. i was gomg to tert— going to fix the nhs. i was going to talk about that and then thought, you know then i just thought, you know what, so ridiculous. what, it's so ridiculous. if you're fix the nhs, why you're going to fix the nhs, why don't go start in wales don't you go start in wales where you're already in charge of it? demonstrate how you mean to on there. and the way, to go on there. and by the way, why accept your why do you actually accept your role? alan's point, in some role? to alan's point, in some of that you actually of the damage that you actually caused the your caused to the nhs with your demands for ongoing lockdowns?

but anyway, i digress. i just but anyway, i digress. ijust think little bit think it's all a little bit ridiculous. i think it's political posturing. i think it's they don't like it's people who they don't like suella they're going suella braverman they're going out of way. braverman has out of their way. braverman has teem— been around long enough. tttetette— been around long enough. michelle-mp- been around long enough. michelle mp and a michelle as an mp and as a pottttetem— michelle as an mp and as a pottttetem-e- michelle as an mp and as a politician a cabinet politician and as a cabinet mmrete— politician and as a cabinet mmrete to— politician and as a cabinet member to know how the world worts— member to know how the world works. see something like works. if you see something like tms—got- works. if you see something like trots—got teeml this coming, you've got been eeugtt— this coming, you've got been eeugtt tor— this coming, you've got been caught for speeding. you just pay— caught for speeding. you just pay it— caught for speeding. you just pey p, you— caught for speeding. you just pay it, you know, and then it goes— pay it, you know, and then it goes-come on. . pay it, you know, and then iti goes-come on. all goes away. oh, come on. all rtgtt. — goes away. oh, come on. all rtgtt. pu— goes away. oh, come on. all rtgtt. t-tt-you— goes away. oh, come on. all right. i'll-you at- goes away. oh, come on. all right. i'll you at home right. i'll ask you at home because need to go to a break because i need to go to a break in a second. right. look, if you got done for speeding, honestly, don't be telling fibs don't be telling me any fibs now, because can tell right. now, because i can tell right. honestly, you not try to honestly, would you not try to do what could minimise honestly, would you not try to do limpact could minimise honestly, would you not try to do limpact cyour minimise honestly, would you not try to do limpact cyour future imise the impact of your future driving career legally? of course i'm saying legally i'm not. of not. i'm not condoning, of course, that's illegal, course, anything that's illegal, but i'm just asking you an honest question. was honest question. if this was you, wouldn't try to do you, wouldn't you try to do anything possible? don't know. anything possible? i don't know. you me. gb views gb news you tell me. gb views gb news .uk. when i come back, i'll have some your responses, but some of your responses, but i also talk low traffic also want to talk low traffic neighbourhoods do live near neighbourhoods. do you live near 1 in 1? do you celebrate them? want more of the things or do you pack now with

you think pack it in now with your control. you

on gb news. the people's channel ottem— on gb news. the people's channel trttem ts— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching .— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . hello britain is watching. hello mere.— britain is watching. hello there. ttm— britain is watching. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry . there. i'm michelle dewberry. ttmgstte— there. i'm michelle dewberry. ttougstte me— there. i'm michelle dewberry. alongside me, joe— there. i'm michelle dewberry. alongside me, joe phillips, the political commentator, and alan miller, the co—founder of the together campaign. dave says michelle's just said so what? and questioned the suella braverman conversation. he says this just shows how stupid jubes is. she is a pathetic . thank is. she is a pathetic. thank you, dave. that's very good. that's nice. but you don't deter me. i stand by my position. i think you know, so what? everything that's going on in the pack it in. trying to the world pack it in. trying to bnng the world pack it in. trying to bring everyone down any bring everyone down on any desperate little tiny little measure them on just measure you can get them on just because don't agree with because you don't agree with what they're saying. i do. i think it's a bit embarrassing, really. should really. and i think we should have better things to think aboutin have better things to think about in public conversation. but thought. but hey, that's my thought. and you entitled to you are very entitled to disagree. low traffic disagree. let's talk low traffic neighbourhood, shall we? they've basically accused basically been accused of greenwashing after the department said department of transport said there's that there's no evidence that the

schemes reduce the number of miles people drive in their cars. liz then i'll cut to the chase on this and i'll go straight to you. are you a fan of ltns? do you think we should have more of them? less of them or what? i'm not a fan of ltns road closures. we should call them — road closures. we should call them whet— road closures. we should call them what they— road closures. we should call them what they are,- : f ”tz;~3 we should call them what they are, which is roet— them what they are, which is road closures.— them what they are, which is road closures. they are an etteet— road closures. they are an etteetlour— road closures. they are an attack our mobility and our attack on our mobility and our treetoms— attack on our mobility and our freedoms—come. attack on our mobility and our freedoms—come ini freedoms which have come in utter— freedoms which have come in under socratically the under socratically during the emergency— under socratically during the emergency powers, primarily umter— emergency powers, primarily umter-ent— emergency powers, primarily under- and with- emergency powers, primarily under and with when there under covid and with when there tewe— under covid and with when there tewe teen— under covid and with when there have been consults— under covid and with when there have been consults , asians often have been consults, asians often tort-t— have been consults, asians often tom-t go— have been consults, asians often tom-t go to— have been consults, asians often tom-t go to tte— have been consults, asians often don't go to the majority of the peopte— don't go to the majority of the peopte-ere — don't go to the majority of the people are residents and people who are residents and when— people who are residents and when trey— people who are residents and when they to— people who are residents and when they do go— people who are residents and when they do go out and they get the resposes— when they do go out and they get the responses, the— when they do go out and they get the responses, the majority usuetty—tutl the responses, the majority. usually—but they the responses, the majority- usually_but they go usually oppose them, but they go emeet— usually oppose them, but they go emeet epywey— usually oppose them, but they go ahead anyway. seen ahead anyway. and we've seen tms—trom- ahead anyway. and we've seen this—from central| this from funding from central government— this from funding from central government and— this from funding from central government and implemented with roset— government and implemented with local authorities— government and implemented with local authorities and groups tte— local authorities and groups ttte wotwe— local authorities and groups like active travel uk. 100 have teem— like active travel uk. 100 have teem pusmmg— like active travel uk. 100 have been pushing all— like active travel uk. 100 have been pushing all of this with tms— been pushing all of this with this international group, c40 ctttes— this international group, c40 ctttes ett— this international group, c40 cities all intertwined. and testeetty— cities all intertwined. and basically when— cities all intertwined. and basically when people say, oh, you— basically when people say, oh, you tmow— basically when people say, oh, you know, local— basically when people say, oh, you know, local people should mete— you know, local people should make decisions,— you know, local people should make decisions, we're seeing these— make decisions, we're seeing these technocratic impositions ttet— these technocratic impositions ttet ee— these technocratic impositions that are nothing— these technocratic impositions that are nothing about about extentmg— that are nothing about about extending life.— that are nothing about about extending life. if you want to

extent— extending life. if you want to extent ttte.— extending life. if you want to extend life, everyone knows the way— extend life, everyone knows the wey you— extend life, everyone knows the wey you to— extend life, everyone knows the wey you to net— extend life, everyone knows the way you do that is— extend life, everyone knows the way you do that is you improve weettn— way you do that is you improve weettn tor— way you do that is you improve wealth for people,— way you do that is you improve wealth for people, you improve noustng.— wealth for people, you improve noustmg. you— wealth for people, you improve housing, you transform their retettonsntp— housing, you transform their relationship world. that relationship to the world. that way,— relationship to the world. that wey-ttmtt- way, you don't limit and restrtet— way, you don't limit and restrict and— way, you don't limit and restrict and impose this a cash gret. — restrict and impose this a cash gret. .tt-s— restrict and impose this a cash grep-tt-s etso— restrict and impose this a cash grab.-it's also no,- restrict and impose this a cash grab. it's also no, it's grab. but it's also no, it's etso— grab. but it's also no, it's also limiting— grab. but it's also no, it's also limiting people, all sorts of also limiting people, all sorts ot peopte.— also limiting people, all sorts of people, disabled people, et— of people, disabled people, women at night— of people, disabled people, women at night who want to get eets.— women at night who want to get eets-etttty— women at night who want to get cabs.-ability to— women at night who want to get cabs. ability to move freely cabs. our ability to move freely . wnem— cabs. our ability to move freely . wnen ttt— cabs. our ability to move freely . wnen ttt we— cabs. our ability to move freely . when did we agree that we woutt— . when did we agree that we woutt-up— . when did we agree that we woutt-up our- . when did we agree that we would up our ability to would give up our ability to move around— would give up our ability to move around freely? it's like would give up our ability to move back|d freely? it's like would give up our ability to move back to freely? it's like would give up our ability to move back to feudal it's like would give up our ability to move back to feudal timese would give up our ability to move back to feudal times where going back to feudal times where were— going back to feudal times where tnere ee— going back to feudal times where there are tolls— going back to feudal times where there are tolls on— going back to feudal times where there are tolls on our movement eemt— there are tolls on our movement eent ant— there are tolls on our movement aren't. and .certain _ there are tolls on our movement aren't. and certain places , aren't. and in certain places, ttte— aren't. and in certain places, ttte tn— aren't. and in certain places, like in london,— aren't. and in certain places, like in london, in— aren't. and in certain places, like in london, in hackney, tney-re— like in london, in hackney, tney-re seytng— like in london, in hackney, they're saying three of they're saying three quarters of they're saying three quarters of tne-te— they're saying three quarters of the - be closed - they're saying three quarters of the-be closed .- they're saying three quarters of the be closed . and in the roads will be closed. and in tsttngton— the roads will be closed. and in pgpngun, to. — the roads will be closed. and in islington, 70. but— the roads will be closed. and in islington, 70. but we've seen greet— islington, 70. but we've seen great pushback_ islington, 70. but we've seen great pushback and challenges to tnese— great pushback and challenges to tnese tntngs— great pushback and challenges to these things oxford, in bath these things in oxford, in bath ent— these things in oxford, in bath ent tn— these things in oxford, in bath ent tn e— these things in oxford, in bath and in a number— these things in oxford, in bath and in a number of areas. and i tntnt— and in a number of areas. and i tntnt wnet-s— and in a number of areas. and i think what's interesting, monet— think what's interesting, michel, with— think what's interesting, michel, with this is that people iordintry_ michel, with this is that people iordintry peopte- michel, with this is that people , ordinary people in britain , all ordinary people in britain are , all ordinary people in britain ere—gotmgl , all ordinary people in britaini ere—gong to are saying they're not going to putlwttn— are saying they're not going to putlwttn-see- are saying they're not going to put with see many put up with it. we see many onettenges.— put up with it. we see many challenges. and— put up with it. we see many challenges. and actually the gowemment— challenges. and actually the government just pulled government now has just pulled teet— government now has just pulled teetltumttng— government now has just pulled back-funding any— government now has just pulled back funding any more of it back on funding any more of it in back on funding any more of it tn-uwerpoot— back on funding any more of it in liverpool streets. so in the liverpool streets. so tnet-s— in the liverpool streets. so tnet-s e— in the liverpool streets. so tnet-s e goot— in the liverpool streets. so that's a good thing. but we are erso— that's a good thing. but we are etso-gutte— that's a good thing. but we are also quite disingenuously that's a good thing. but we are a|lot quite disingenuously that's a good thing. but we are allot of quite disingenuously that's a good thing. but we are allot of attacks:e disingenuously that's a good thing. but we are allot of attacks oniisingenuously that's a good thing. but we are allot of attacks on ordinaryously a lot of attacks on ordinary peopte.— a lot of attacks on ordinary peopte. eetttng— a lot of attacks on ordinary people, calling them names for

eetuetty— people, calling them names for actually asserting— people, calling them names for actually asserting their tnterests— actually asserting their interests .— actually asserting their interests . and i think that's interests. and i think that's a teet— interests. and i think that's a real concern— interests. and i think that's a real concern if— interests. and i think that's a real concern if i— interests. and i think that's a real concern if i remember oorreetty— real concern if i remember correctly, which— real concern if i remember correctly, which i think i do. tou— correctly, which i think i do. you we— correctly, which i think i do. you was on here— correctly, which i think i do. you was on here the- correctly, which i think i do. you was on here the other day, joe, saying that you wanted to pedestrianise all town centres, not all. what i think you did, ttm— not all. what i think you did, t-m sure— not all. what i think you did, t-m you— not all. what i think you did, i'm sure you know,- not all. what i think you did, i'm sure you know, i- what i think you did, i'm sure you know, i said there are some towns that are just not testgnet— are some towns that are just not testgnet tor— are some towns that are just not designed for traffic— are some towns that are just not designed for traffic and eetuetty— designed for traffic and actually it— designed for traffic and actually it was with connor tomttnson— actually it was with connor tomlinson who— actually it was with connor tomlinson who went to university in tomlinson who went to university tn—wnere- tomlinson who went to university tn—wnere t- tomlinson who went to university in _where i live,i in canterbury near where i live, ent— in canterbury near where i live, ent tnet— in canterbury near where i live, ent tnet-tne— in canterbury near where i live, and that the example i used. and that was the example i used. i and that was the example i used. | , and that was the example i used. t-. pm— and that was the example i used. .-, t-m tn— and that was the example i used. .-, t-m tn tewour— and that was the example i used. i-, i'm in favour of- and that was the example i used. i , i'm in favour of less i mean, i'm in favour of less treme— i mean, i'm in favour of less traffic because— i mean, i'm in favour of less traffic because i— i mean, i'm in favour of less traffic because i think people neet— traffic because i think people neet to— traffic because i think people need to have— traffic because i think people need to have cleaner air. i tntnt— need to have cleaner air. i tntnt tney— need to have cleaner air. i think they need- need to have cleaner air. i think they need to be able to wet— think they need to be able to wet ent— think they need to be able to walk and cycle. _ think they need to be able to walk and cycle. but please don't oyste— walk and cycle. but please don't eyete on— walk and cycle. but please don't eyete on tne— walk and cycle. but please don't cycle on the pavements and entttren— cycle on the pavements and children need— cycle on the pavements and children need to— cycle on the pavements and children need to be able to go out.— children need to be able to go out. tnt— children need to be able to go out. tnt t— children need to be able to go out. and i think— children need to be able to go out. and i think one of the tntngs— out. and i think one of the tntngs tnet— out. and i think one of the things that covid did show us tne— things that covid did show us was the desperate need for peopte— was the desperate need for peopte-get— was the desperate need for people get outside. i think people to get outside. i think tren— people to get outside. i think ttenlrtgnt— people to get outside. i think alan-right that— people to get outside. i think alan right that these have alan is right that these have teen— alan is right that these have been imposed— alan is right that these have been imposed in— alan is right that these have been imposed in areas without eteguete— been imposed in areas without adequate consultation . and adequate consultation. and senetnty— adequate consultation. and certainly that— adequate consultation. and certainly that seems to be the nut— certainly that seems to be the nut t— certainly that seems to be the case. but i would— certainly that seems to be the case. but i would certainly emtoe— case. but i would certainly welcome anything that reduces treme— welcome anything that reduces trettte tn— welcome anything that reduces traffic in town— welcome anything that reduces

traffic in town centres. but tnese— traffic in town centres. but these tntngs— traffic in town centres. but these things .— traffic in town centres. but these things . but a lot of these these things. but a lot of these are in residential areas, aren't they? well i don't you see, i ton-t— they? well i don't you see, i ton-t tnow— they? well i don't you see, i don't know that— ct�*tzgt7’ well i don't you see, i don't know that that was ever tne— don't know that that was ever tne metrtt— don't know that that was ever the matrix that— don't know that that was ever the matrix that was never going to te— the matrix that was never going to te tne— the matrix that was never going to be the definition or if it wast— to be the definition or if it tt-s— to be the definition or if it tt-s e— to be the definition or if it was, it's a silly— to be the definition or if it was, it's a silly definition teeuse— was, it's a silly definition because it's— was, it's a silly definition because it's not about cutting town— because it's not about cutting town trtwtng— because it's not about cutting down driving. it— because it's not about cutting down driving. it should be toottng— down driving. it should be toottmg et— down driving. it should be looking at is— down driving. it should be looking at is it— down driving. it should be looking at is it improving the onenees— looking at is it improving the onenees ot— looking at is it improving the chances of people going outside or teettng— chances of people going outside or feeling more— chances of people going outside or feeling more able to walk or oyste— or feeling more able to walk or eyete or— or feeling more able to walk or eyete or tet— or feeling more able to walk or cycle or let their— or feeling more able to walk or cycle or let their kids play on tne— cycle or let their kids play on me streete— cycle or let their kids play on the street? yeah,— cycle or let their kids play on the street? yeah, but i mean , the street? yeah, but i mean, nyone— the street? yeah, but i mean, momy tnet— the street? yeah, but i mean, anyone that lets— the street? yeah, but i mean, anyone that lets their kids play on e roet. t— anyone that lets their kids play on a road, i mean,— anyone that lets their kids play on a road, i mean, or near a busy— on a road, i mean, or near a busy roet— on a road, i mean, or near a tusy roet. t— on a road, i mean, or near a busy road, i mean, there's sometntng.— busy road, i mean, there's something, you- busy road, i mean, there's something, you know, you're not gutte— something, you know, you're not gutte rtgnt— something, you know, you're not quite right really,— something, you know, you're not quite right really, are you? neeuse— quite right really, are you? because that's— quite right really, are you? because that's not- quite right really, are you? because that's not where you let your kids play. you let your you take your kids to or take your kids to parks or quieter areas. you don't let them play where there cars, them play where there are cars, surely. but this is to make more guteter— surely. but this is to make more guteter erees— surely. but this is to make more quieter areas so— surely. but this is to make more quieter areas so you— ”tint but this is to make more quieter areas so you don't have to ttet— quieter areas so you don't have to ttet-tne— quieter areas so you don't have to ttet-tne wey— quieter areas so you don't have to trek .the way to - quieter areas so you don't have to trek the way to the park. to trek all the way to the park. wett. — to trek all the way to the park. wett. .see. — to trek all the way to the park. well,-see, that's— to trek all the way to the park. well,-see, that's not- to trek all the way to the park. well,-see, that's not what. well, you see, that's not what they say. what they say is that this about the environment. this is about the environment. they say that this is about reducing traffic that basis. they say that this is about red valg traffic that basis. they say that this is about red val coleman that basis. they say that this is about red val coleman inthat basis. they say that this is about red val coleman in hackneys. they say that this is about red val coleman in hackney has ms val coleman in hackney has said we're to said that we're going to make life difficult possible life as difficult as possible for people. you're in

for people. so if you're in retail, if you're on middleton road harringay, you're 100 road in harringay, you're100 year shop hospitality . year shop retail, hospitality. we are having to close similarly on the cowley road in oxford, you mentioned the you mentioned canterbury, the previous planning officer, the vice planning officer said this is as close to imposition . an is as close to imposition. an there's no need for these traffic measures , but that traffic measures, but that that was was ridiculous zonal was that was a ridiculous zonal thing they wanted to do. i thing that they wanted to do. i think the thing is that they mete— think the thing is that they make assertions that we're in tms— make assertions that we're in tnts—ot- make assertions that we're inj this—of crisis this permanent state of crisis ent— this permanent state of crisis ent emergency.— this permanent state of crisis and emergency, a bit like covid. twerytnmg-s— and emergency, a bit like covid. everything'slpermanent- and emergency, a bit like covid. everything's permanent state everything's a permanent state of quiet. we're of emergency. be quiet. we're the people . we're going the smart people. we're going to do we know what's do this to you. we know what's best. going to make these best. we're going to make these grand about grand declarations about people's health or the environment, and then we're going to just do it anyway. and it's this technocratic imposition that is to do with both money on the one hand. so hanngey both money on the one hand. so haringey council in months haringey council in three months made several million pounds from it. the residents and businesses don't want it and it's an affront to us and it reflects this contempt, i think, that people have for the public. if we people to actually live we want people to actually live

healthier, lives, then healthier, longer lives, then that helping create that is all about helping create dynamic growth. another really unfashionable thing now, which is productivity, wealth creation for everyone. for that you need roads, you need dynamism, you need building, you need more house building, you need more house building, you need to have an upbeat approach to economic wealth creation. and this is all about limits and restrictions under a dubious, flawed notion of net zero, which is a policy imposition. it's not about actual different innovative ways to deal with issues. it's we must do this by this deadline, and this is what we're seeing. we're now seeing a situation in our country where roads are being closed. we're we're threatened with power cuts , a lack of energy and spiralling prices. this is what this actually means, around net zero. and this is one of the key parts of it. well, if we just go teet— parts of it. well, if we just go test to— parts of it. well, if we just go test to tne— parts of it. well, if we just go back to the low— c well, if we just go back to the low neighbourhood treme— back to the low neighbourhood traffic zones— back to the low neighbourhood traffic zones or— back to the low neighbourhood traffic zones or whatever they set— traffic zones or whatever they set t— traffic zones or whatever they set t me— traffic zones or whatever they set t .— traffic zones or whatever they call i mean , the— traffic zones or whatever they call i mean , the thing about call i mean, the thing about consultation— call i mean, the thing about consultation is— call i mean, the thing about consultation is the thing that reetty— consultation is the thing that really bothers— consultation is the thing that really bothers me and i think tnet-s— really bothers me and i think tnet-s tne— really bothers me and i think that's the point— really bothers me and i think that's the point that alan has touenet— that's the point that alan has touenet on— that's the point that alan has touched on, that— that's the point that alan has touched on, that you know, eoutetst— touched on, that you know, councils, .they - touched on, that you know, councils, they want councils, if they want to and i t— councils, if they want to and i t tnow— councils, if they want to and i mean, i know i— councils, if they want to and i mean, i know i tried in vain,

monet— mean, i know i tried in vain, tttenet. to— mean, i know i tried in vain, tttenet. to get— mean, i know i tried in vain, michel, to get you to vote in mean, i know i tried in vain, miclocal) get you to vote in mean, i know i tried in vain, mic local elections to vote in mean, i know i tried in vain, miclocal elections and )te in mean, i know i tried in vain, miclocal elections and ie in mean, i know i tried in vain, miclocal elections and i no, no the local elections and i no, no tnterest— the local elections and i no, no tnterest. to.— the local elections and i no, no interest. no, but— the local elections and i no, no interest. no, but you see, this is interest. no, but you see, this ts tne— interest. no, but you see, this ts tne son— interest. no, but you see, this ts me sort ot— interest. no, but you see, this is the sort of thing where peopte— is the sort of thing where peopte neet— is the sort of thing where people need to- is the sort of thing where people need to be engaged . they people need to be engaged. they neet— people need to be engaged. they neet tt-s— people need to be engaged. they neet tt-s no— people need to be engaged. they need it's no good— people need to be engaged. they need it's no good saying , oh, need it's no good saying, oh, wett— need it's no good saying, oh, wett. we— need it's no good saying, oh, well, we didn't— need it's no good saying, oh, well, we didn't want it. nobody estet— well, we didn't want it. nobody estet — well, we didn't want it. nobody asked us. somehow other local asked us. somehow or other local peopte— asked us. somehow or other local peopte ee— asked us. somehow or other local peopte tne— asked us. somehow or other local people are the only— asked us. somehow or other local people are the only people that can people are the only people that stop— people are the only people that stop tnts. — people are the only people that can stop this. the— people are the only people that can stop this. the thing you menttonet— can stop this. the thing you mentioned in— can stop this. the thing you mentioned in canterbury actually that mentioned in canterbury actually met tet— mentioned in canterbury actually met tet to— mentioned in canterbury actually that led to the— mentioned in canterbury actually that led to the loss of the city counett— that led to the loss of the city coumett ent— that led to the loss of the city council and the— that led to the loss of the city council and the loss of the seat of council and the loss of the seat ot tne— council and the loss of the seat ot tne tormer— council and the loss of the seat of the former leader who had proposet— of the former leader who had proposet tnts— of the former leader who had proposed this bonkers idea of teeot— proposed this bonkers idea of even jacob rees—mogg said it was a even jacob rees—mogg said it was e tonters— even jacob rees—mogg said it was e tonters ttee— even jacob rees—mogg said it was a bonkers idea to— even jacob rees—mogg said it was a bonkers idea to bring zones tnto— a bonkers idea to bring zones into canterbury— a bonkers idea to bring zones into canterbury .— a bonkers idea to bring zones into canterbury . but i think, into canterbury. but i think, you— into canterbury. but i think, you tnow— into canterbury. but i think, you tnow. tt— into canterbury. but i think, you know, it is— into canterbury. but i think, you know, it is about we've all got— you know, it is about we've all got to— you know, it is about we've all got to te— you know, it is about we've all got to be very— you know, it is about we've all got to be very vigilant, wtgttent— got to be very vigilant, vigilant about what is being proposet.— vigilant about what is being proposet. tnt— vigilant about what is being proposed. and one of the really set— proposed. and one of the really set tntngs— proposed. and one of the really set tntngs ts— proposed. and one of the really sad things is the— proposed. and one of the really sad things is the demise of roset— sad things is the demise of toeet pepers— sad things is the demise of local papers and local information- local papers and local information on local radio where peopte— information on local radio where peopte uset— information on local radio where peopte uset to— information on local radio where people used to get— information on local radio where people used to get this knowledge. _ people used to get this knowledge. but everyone says it's knowledge. but everyone says tt-s reetty— knowledge. but everyone says it's really sad— knowledge. but everyone says it's really sad about the demise of it's really sad about the demise ot roset— it's really sad about the demise of local media. _ it's really sad about the demise of local media. so,— it's really sad about the demise of local media. tz;,tt

people, so did you use to buy a local paper, people look at local paper, then people look at me daft well , did you used to me daft well, did you used to buy your local paper? yes i did. and i used work on local and i used to work on local pepers— and i used to work on local pepers. nut.— and i used to work on local pepers. gu, you— and i used to work on local papers. but, you know, you knew wnet— papers. but, you know, you knew wnet ws— papers. but, you know, you knew wnet gotng— papers. but, you know, you knew what was going on.— papers. but, you know, you knew what was going on. and there was etso— what was going on. and there was etso-wes— what was going on. and there was etso-wes e— what was going on. and there was also-was a legal— also there was a legal requirement- also there was a legal requirement for things to put also there was a legal reithetment for things to put also there was a legal reithe local for things to put also there was a legal reithe local paper.ngs to put also there was a legal reithe local paper. now,» put also there was a legal reithe local paper. now, you put in the local paper. now, you tnow— in the local paper. now, you tnow. tnere— in the local paper. now, you know, there is— in the local paper. now, you know, there is no- in the local paper. now, you know, there is no legal requirement- know, there is no legal requirement for a new planning epptteetton— requirement for a new planning epptteetton tn— requirement for a new planning application in unless you are on the application in unless you are on me adjoining— application in unless you are on the adjoining side— application in unless you are on the adjoining side of that ptenntng— the adjoining side of that planning application. so i think you— planning application. so i think . you tnow— planning application. so i think , you know, this. _ planning application. so i think , you know, this. i— planning application. so i think , you know, this. i think what is , you know, this. i think what ts gong— , you know, this. i think what ts gotng on— , you know, this. i think what ts gotng on ts— , you know, this. i think what is going on is dodgy in terms of consultation. _ is going on is dodgy in terms of consultation. and— is going on is dodgy in terms of consultation. and i— is going on is dodgy in terms of consultation. and i would say youe— consultation. and i would say youwe got— consultation. and i would say youwe got to— consultation. and i would say you've got to take note of wnet-s— you've got to take note of wnet-s gotmg— you've got to take note of what's going on in your area. toot— what's going on in your area. toot et— what's going on in your area. look at those— what's going on in your area. look at those notices on tempposts— look at those notices on tempposts .— look at those notices on lampposts . you know, there you lampposts. you know, there you 90- — lampposts. you know, there you go. ttet— lampposts. you know, there you go. ttet ts— lampposts. you know, there you go. ttet ts tne— lampposts. you know, there you go. that is the moral- lampposts. you know, there you go. that is the moral of- lampposts. you know, there you go. that is the moral of the story. joe wants you walking around reading lampposts. if everybody if you don't get tmwotwet— everybody if you don't get involved and— everybody if you don't get involved and you don't know wnet-s— involved and you don't know wnet-s gotng— involved and you don't know what's going on,— involved and you don't know what's going on, you're not in a posttton— what's going on, you're not in a posttton your— what's going on, you're not in a position your your— what's going on, you're not in a position your your argument is so muon— position your your argument is so much weaker— position your your argument is so much weaker because you need to te— so much weaker because you need to te etre— so much weaker because you need to te ette to— so much weaker because you need to te ette to sey— so much weaker because you need to be able to say ,_ so much weaker because you need to be able to say , you know, 89% to be able to say, you know, 89% of to be able to say, you know, 89% ot tne— to be able to say, you know, 89% of the residents— to be able to say, you know, 89% of the residents in— to be able to say, you know, 89% of the residents in this said we ton-t— of the residents in this said we ton-t went. — of the residents in this said we don't want. well,— of the residents in this said we don't want. �*tttttttzigl cc; of the residents in this said we

don't want. �*tttttttzigl cc: don't want. well, lee, he's not his words. he says, i'm so sick of this. please, will you tell joe she wants to walk or cycle or get out more? she's free to do it. he puts it in capitals. so he means business. he says, i do not want to. so i should be free to choose not to do that and to get in my car if that is what i choose. what do you make of it all after the break. listen, i want to talk to you about a potentially sensitive subject many of i subject for many of you. i suspect mccann, suspect madeleine mccann, when you another search is about you know another search is about to commence involving british police. i'm wondering and pleased this will send that viewer off into the edge. you thought i was out of order with suella, so you won't like my views next one. i can views on this next one. i can tell you, but i'm asking, is it time to draw a line? should there off point in there be a cut off point in terms funds? police time, terms of funds? police time, etcetera? searching etcetera? in searching for madeleine mccann, me. madeleine mccann, you tell me. see you .

in two. hello there, michelle dewberry . hello there, michelle dewberry. alongside me, joe phillips, a political commentator , and alan political commentator, and alan miller, the co—founder of the together campaign. carl, on twitter says this whole suella braverman thing is a non—story. it's simply a civil service witch hunt. continuing their onslaught on two ministers. they don't like or who they disagree with. i think many people would agree with you on that one. carl on twitter says , i drive an on twitter says, i drive an electric car and if i want to sit in traffic, that's my right. i sit in traffic, that's my right. l pay sit in traffic, that's my right. i pay for my car all the i pay for my car and all the taxes. is why a non—driver taxes. why is why a non—driver so obsessed with what drivers are doing? don't know. you are doing? i don't know. you tell someone who calls tell me. someone who calls himself the bear on twitter says, fashioned, says, i know i'm old fashioned, michel, surely roads were michel, but surely roads were created people could travel created so people could travel on them? or are you a dinosaur? you it in. all right. let's you pack it in. all right. let's move to on sensitive story for many of you, i am sure madeleine mccann , ten, 16 years ago. mccann, ten, 16 years ago. i cannot believe it was that long. but anyway, of course we all know the story by now and another search is about to commence. this time for a

reservoir in portugal. it was about 30 odd miles from where she went missing . it's imagined she went missing. it's imagined that british police will be involved in this search. but joe phillips, this is quite a sensitive topic for some people because of course, it's a little girl. and, you know , gosh, if girl. and, you know, gosh, if that was your child, you'd want everything to continue. but when it comes to the taxpayer resources, police , time, cash, resources, police, time, cash, et cetera. should there be a limit on aukus? well who's going to set that limit? i mean, the prottem — to set that limit? i mean, the prottem ts— to set that limit? i mean, the problem is and— to set that limit? i mean, the problem is and you're- l c7’ i mean, the problem is and you're absolutely rtgnt— problem is and you're absolutely .pgpp, tt— problem is and you're absolutely .pgpp, tt ts— problem is and you're absolutely .pgu, tt ts tt— problem is and you're absolutely right, it is if it— problem is and you're absolutely right, it is if it was— problem is and you're absolutely right, it is if it was any of our children,— right, it is if it was any of our children, we would do enytntmg— our children, we would do anything possible to try and tnt— anything possible to try and ttnt out— anything possible to try and find out what— anything possible to try and find out what had happened to men. — find out what had happened to men. out.— find out what had happened to men. out. yes.— find out what had happened to them. but, yes, 16— find out what had happened to them. but, yes, 16 years on, £13 mtttton— them. but, yes, 16 years on, £13 mtttton ent— them. but, yes, 16 years on, £13 million and still— them. but, yes, 16 years on, £13 million and still no— them. but, yes, 16 years on, £13 million and still no nearer to ttnttng— million and still no nearer to ttmttng out— million and still no nearer to finding out what— million and still no nearer to finding out what happened to net— finding out what happened to we ttttte— finding out what happened to that little girl— finding out what happened to that little girl .— finding out what happened to that little girl. i— finding out what happened to that little girl . i mean, she that little girl. i mean, she woutt— that little girl. i mean, she woutt newe— that little girl. i mean, she would have been 20 this year. tne— would have been 20 this year. tne ttttte— would have been 20 this year. the little twins— would have been 20 this year. the little twins ,_ would have been 20 this year. the little twins , her brother the little twins, her brother ent— the little twins, her brother ent stster— the little twins, her brother and sister are— the little twins, her brother and sister are 18. you know , you and sister are 18. you know, you sent— and sister are 18. you know, you can't even begin— and sister are 18. you know, you can't even begin to— and sister are 18. you know, you can't even begin to imagine what the can't even begin to imagine what tne temtty— can't even begin to imagine what tne temtty nes—

can't even begin to imagine what the family has been through with tetse— the family has been through with tetse nope.— the family has been through with false hope, false— the family has been through with false hope, false leads . and of false hope, false leads. and of course, you know,— false hope, false leads. and of course, you know, i think we can all course, you know, i think we can ett egree— course, you know, i think we can ett egree tnere— course, you know, i think we can all agree there was— course, you know, i think we can all agree there was probably some bungling— all agree there was probably some bungling at the beginning wnten— some bungling at the beginning wnten rost— some bungling at the beginning which lost valuable time and tost— which lost valuable time and lost valuable— which lost valuable time and lost valuable leads. but madeleine— lost valuable leads. but madeleine mccann is not the only enttt— madeleine mccann is not the only enttt tnet-s— madeleine mccann is not the only child that's gone— madeleine mccann is not the only child that's gone missing. there are child that's gone missing. there tens— child that's gone missing. there tens ot— child that's gone missing. there are tens of thousands of entttren— are tens of thousands of children who— are tens of thousands of children who go missing every yeer— children who go missing every yeer wno— children who go missing every yeer wno ton-t— children who go missing every year who don't have the same mette— year who don't have the same media profile,— year who don't have the same media profile, who don't somehow eepture— media profile, who don't somehow oepture tne— media profile, who don't somehow capture the public's_ media profile, who don't somehow capture the public's imagination and capture the public's imagination ent tne— capture the public's imagination and the desire— capture the public's imagination and the desire for— capture the public's imagination and the desire for a happy enttng— and the desire for a happy enttng. tnt— and the desire for a happy ending. and i— and the desire for a happy ending. and i don't think we're putttng— ending. and i don't think we're putttmg tne— ending. and i don't think we're putting the same— ending. and i don't think we're putting the same resources into ttnttmg— putting the same resources into ttmttng tnem— putting the same resources into ttmttng tnem .— putting the same resources into finding them . helen. i think on finding them. helen. i think on net— finding them. helen. i think on we test— finding them. helen. i think on that last point,— finding them. helen. i think on that last point, that's the tntng. — that last point, that's the tntng. t— that last point, that's the thing. i mean- that last point, that's the thing. i mean ,- that last point, that's the thing. " that last point, that's the thing. i mean, not only are there people that have gone missing very tragically , we also missing very tragically, we also saw the story of the 13 month old who very tragically died in portugal. the same place because of sepsis and sepsis and not being able to get to things quickly enough. and the problem of a different country and what that means and the way interpol

or different european police states work together or don't all those things. our all of those things. and in our own country where people are getting burglarised or they're getting burglarised or they're getting attacked, they don't the police come. they police can't seem to come. they do sometimes when people do come sometimes when people put a post on social media to it does to me as well that , does seem to me as well that, you know, there have been many things that have not had this high profile. if look at how high profile. if we look at how mainly white working class girls, maybe the wrong girls, maybe they were the wrong type people, were not type of people, were not discussed in terms of the grooming gangs, the attacks on them in rather many other cities around the uk . where were the around the uk. where were the police resources in addressing that? there are still many people who are not being held accountable for that. so i think that in that context, yeah , it's that in that context, yeah, it's we need to the police need to address the key things that they've got to be focusing on. yeah, i mean, i'm going to be very— yeah, i mean, i'm going to be wery treet— yeah, i mean, i'm going to be wery test on— yeah, i mean, i'm going to be very direct on this— yeah, i mean, i'm going to be very direct on this as i've got a very direct on this as i've got e ttttte— very direct on this as i've got e ttttte toy— very direct on this as i've got a little boy who— very direct on this as i've got a little boy who is not too far off a little boy who is not too far ott tne— a little boy who is not too far ott tne ege— a little boy who is not too far off the age that— a little boy who is not too far off the age that madeleine necenn— off the age that madeleine necenn ws— off the age that madeleine mccann was when she went missing

--iust— mccann was when she went missing --iust tor— mccann was when she went missing --iust tor tne— mccann was when she went missing .-just for the record— mccann was when she went missing .-just for the record ,- mccann was when she went missing .-just for the record , i- . and just for the record, i wouttn-t— . and just for the record, i wouldn't choose to leave my entt— wouldn't choose to leave my child somewhere _ wouldn't choose to leave my child somewhere where while i went— child somewhere where while i went out— child somewhere where while i went out to— child somewhere where while i went out to socialise with my trtents— went out to socialise with my friends somewhere else . but i'm friends somewhere else. but i'm not seytng— friends somewhere else. but i'm not seytng enoney— friends somewhere else. but i'm not saying anyone deserved that to neppen.— not saying anyone deserved that to neppen. tut— not saying anyone deserved that to neppen. tut t— not saying anyone deserved that to happen, but i do sometimes tntnt— to happen, but i do sometimes tntnt .— to happen, but i do sometimes tntnt . you— to happen, but i do sometimes think , you know,— to happen, but i do sometimes think , you know, there are think, you know, there are moments— think, you know, there are thousands of— think, you know, there are thousands of children that go mtsstng— thousands of children that go mtsstng. t— thousands of children that go missing. i found— thousands of children that go missing. i found the name of a ttttte— missing. i found the name of a ttttte toy— missing. i found the name of a ttttte toy ttt— missing. i found the name of a little boy i'd never— missing. i found the name of a little boy i'd never really even met— little boy i'd never really even neert ot— little boy i'd never really even heard of him.— little boy i'd never really even heard of him. daniel entwistle . heard of him. daniel entwistle. he heard of him. daniel entwistle. ne—went- heard of him. daniel entwistle.| he _went missing heard of him. daniel entwistle.- he _went missing in he was seven. he went missing in treet— he was seven. he went missing in great yarmouth_ he was seven. he went missing in great yarmouth-ago.- great yarmouth 20 years ago. they— great yarmouth 20 years ago. tney tount— great yarmouth 20 years ago. tney tount e— great yarmouth 20 years ago. they found a bike and nothing etse— they found a bike and nothing etse .— they found a bike and nothing etse . twe— they found a bike and nothing else . i've never— they found a bike and nothing else . i've never even barely else. i've never even barely neert— else. i've never even barely neert tnet— else. i've never even barely heard that-boy's- else. i've never even barely heard that boy's name. heard that little boy's name. tnt— heard that little boy's name. andldo— heard that little boy's name. andido wonder— heard that little boy's name. and do wonder whether or not and i do wonder whether or not tnere-s— and i do wonder whether or not tnere-s e— and i do wonder whether or not there's a class— and i do wonder whether or not there's a class element to some of there's a class element to some ot-teeeuse— there's a class element to some ot-teeeuse es— there's a class element to some ot-teeeuse es t— there's a class element to some of-because as i was- there's a class element to some of because as i was at a of this, because as i was at a pert— of this, because as i was at a pert tn— of this, because as i was at a caravan park in skegness the one— caravan park in skegness the otner tey— caravan park in skegness the other day, someone left their entt— other day, someone left their child-caravan- other day, someone left their. child _caravan _they child in the caravan while they went— child in the caravan while they went-clubhouse,- went to the clubhouse, socialising— went to the clubhouse, socialising wood and something tempte— socialising wood and something terrible _thatl terrible happened. would that get tne— terrible happened. would that get me sme— terrible happened. would that get the same response, the same tnwestment— get the same response, the same investment and— get the same response, the same investment and all— get the same response, the same investment and all the rest of it? investment and all the rest of ttt—you- investment and all the rest of ttt—you woutti investment and all the rest of- it?_you would never it? and as a mum you would never gtwe— it? and as a mum you would never gtwe-tmt— it? and as a mum you would never gtwe-tmt-ent- give up. and i accept and understand— give up. and i accept and understand that. but perhaps wnem— understand that. but perhaps wnemleomes— understand that. but perhaps whenlcomes to— understand that. but perhaps when comes to tax payers when it comes to tax payers money— when it comes to tax payers moey meyte— when it comes to tax payers money, maybe should when it comes to tax payers money, maybe-should a money, maybe they should be a ttmtt. — money, maybe they should be a ttmtt. nut— money, maybe they should be a limit. but somebody's- money, maybe they should be a limit. but somebody's got to make decision. well, people make that decision. well, people make that decision. well, people mete tougn— make that decision. well, people make tough decisions— t:ti;ti. tit" well, people make tough decisions the make tough decisions all of the ttme. —ponterl time. i'll leave you to ponder it. time. i'll leave you to ponder tt. -woutt— time. i'll leave you to ponder tt. -woutt you-

time. i'll leave you to ponder it. would you decide? see it. what would you decide? see you— it. what would you decide? see you--_ you tomorrow. metro.- you tomorrow. hello. it's aidan you tomorrow.— hello. it's aidan mcgivern you tomorrow — hello. it's aidan mcgivern here wttn— hello. it's aidan mcgivern here wttn your— hello. it's aidan mcgivern here wttn your on— hello. it's aidan mcgivern here with your gb news forecast from the with your gb news forecast from me ttet— with your gb news forecast from the met office. _ with your gb news forecast from the met office. _ with your gb news forecast from the met office. clear spells for many of us overnight. the met office. clear spells for many of us overnight . a cool many of us overnight. a cool night to come, but more warm sunny spells are expected in many locations. this week. the weather set fair with high pressure in charge. that high pressure in charge. that high pressure extending from the west, bringing a breeze in from the atlantic. but over the top of the uk. and for some eastern coast, that means the winds will be travelling over the north sea. that's why it's stayed a bit cooler for some north sea areas and we'll continue to see that breeze overnight . but that breeze overnight. but actually for many it's light winds , a humidities inland winds, a low humidities inland and a lack of cloud will mean temperatures dipping into the single figures. even the low single figures. even the low single figures. even the low single figures in a few sheltered spots in the north. so a bit of a chill in the air. first thing tuesday. but really it won't last long because plenty will warm plenty of sunshine will warm the

air from the word go. and we air up from the word go. and we keep those sunny spells into the afternoon. think there'll be afternoon. i think there'll be a bit more cloud at times compared with monday , certainly across with monday, certainly across southern areas . that additional southern areas. that additional cloud will mean that temperatures will be a degree or two lower . 21 celsius temperatures will be a degree or two lower. 21 celsius is temperatures will be a degree or two lower . 21 celsius is the two lower. 21 celsius is the likely max elsewhere to high likely max elsewhere mid to high teens generally. but for scotland and northern ireland, the the the cloud thickens through the afternoon be afternoon and there'll be a spell patchy light rain and spell of patchy light rain and drizzle crossing northern scotland afternoon , scotland during the afternoon, pushing through shetland by evening a then in the evening. a break then in the cloud the rain. but further cloud and the rain. but further light, drizzly rain comes along into far northwest . later into the far northwest. later on, like, showers for on, if you like, showers for northern ireland, southwest scotland dawn wednesday as scotland by dawn on wednesday as well. skies further well. but clearer skies further south again under those south and again under those clear skies, light winds, temperatures dipping into the single figures . so another fresh single figures. so another fresh start for our southern and eastern parts of the uk, less so for the northwest , where we've for the northwest, where we've got thicker cloud to begin things on wednesday. and a weak weather front crossing scotland will bring an area of cloud for a time, along with some light,

drizzly showers. that clears through plenty more sunshine to come on thursday and into .

fri day fhday good friday good evening. it is the start of a momentous week in british politics. the immigration ttgures— politics. the immigration figures that— c ti.3 the immigration figures that come out on tnurstey— figures that come out on thursday will— figures that come out on thursday will be a shock to many and thursday will be a shock to many ent eoutt— thursday will be a shock to many and could perhaps— thursday will be a shock to many and could perhaps finally seal the conservatives— and could perhaps finally seal the conservatives chances of wtnntng— the conservatives chances of wtnntng tne— the conservatives chances of winning the next— the conservatives chances of winning the next general eteetton. — winning the next general election. but— winning the next general election. but stuck in the mute— election. but stuck in the mtttte ot— election. but stuck in the middle of all— election. but stuck in the middle of all of it is the one eettnet— middle of all of it is the one cabinet member— middle of all of it is the one cabinet member who really gemutmety— cabinet member who really genuinely does— cabinet member who really genuinely does believe in retuetng— genuinely does believe in reducing numbers and tightening up totter— reducing numbers and tightening up border controls. i wonder wnetner— up border controls. i wonder whether that's— up border controls. i wonder whether that's why suella is newtng— whether that's why suella is newtng suen— whether that's why suella is having such a— whether that's why suella is having such a tough time. cancer suntwe— having such a tough time. cancer suntwe ts— having such a tough time. cancer suntwe ts my— having such a tough time. cancer suntwe ts my rtg— having such a tough time. cancer survive is my big debate tonight on on— survive is my big debate tonight on on news.— survive is my big debate tonight on gb news. but— survive is my big debate tonight on gb news. but before all of met.— on gb news. but before all of tnet. tets— on gb news. but before all of tnet. tet-s get— on gb news. but before all of that, let's get the— on gb news. but before all of that, let's get the news with potty— that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst