fri day ffiday good friday good evening. it is the start of a momentous week in british politics. the immigration figures— politics. the immigration figures that— . it? the immigration figures that come out . ts the immigration figures that come out on thursday— figures that come out on thursday will— figures that come out on thursday will be a shock to many and mm— thursday will be a shock to many and could perhaps— thursday will be a shock to many and could perhaps finally seal the conservatives— and could perhaps finally seal the conservatives chances of winning— the conservatives chances of winning wne— the conservatives chances of winning the next— the conservatives chances of winning the next general election. — winning the next general election. but— winning the next general election. but stuck in the middle— election. but stuck in the niiiie oi— election. but stuck in the middle of all— election. but stuck in the middle of all of it is the one caiinei— middle of all of it is the one cabinet member— middle of all of it is the one cabinet member who really genuineiy— cabinet member who really genuinely does— cabinet member who really genuinely does believe in inducing— genuinely does believe in reducing numbers and tightening up innin— reducing numbers and tightening up border controls. i wonder nneinen— up border controls. i wonder whether that's— up border controls. i wonder whether that's why suella is naving— whether that's why suella is naving sunn— whether that's why suella is having such a— whether that's why suella is having such a tough time. cancer survive— having such a tough time. cancer survive in— having such a tough time. cancer survive is my— having such a tough time. cancer snnive is my nig— having such a tough time. cancer survive is my big debate tonight on en— survive is my big debate tonight on en news.— survive is my big debate tonight on gb news. but— survive is my big debate tonight on gb news. but before all of inn,— on gb news. but before all of inn, inn-s— on gb news. but before all of inn, inn-s gei— on gb news. but before all of that, let's get the— on gb news. but before all of that, let's get the news with

polly— that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . \w 91; that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. \w 91; polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you.the polly middlehurst. nigel, thank you. the top stories this hour. a new major search for madeleine mccann will begin tomorrow in portugal. local police will be searching a remote reservoir on the algarve, which the main suspect in the case used to frequent the area about 30 miles from the resort in praia da luz, where madeleine first went missing in two thousand and seven, 16 years ago. the search is expected to last two days. now, here at home, the home secretary says she's confident there was nothing untoward in there was nothing untoward in the way she handled a speeding offence. suella braverman is accused of asking for a private speed awareness course to be arranged after she was caught speeding last year. if true, it could be a breach of the ministerial code . the prime ministerial code. the prime minister has spoken to his ethics adviser, but there's going to be no formal inquiry. earlier the home secretary didn't deny asking civil

servants for help . last summer servants for help. last summer i speeding. — servants for help. last summer i speeding. i— servants for help. last summer i was speeding. i regret— last summer i was speeding. i regret that i paid— was speeding. i regret that i paid ine— was speeding. i regret that i paid the fine— was speeding. i regret that i paid the fine and i took the noinis. — paid the fine and i took the noinis. nui— paid the fine and i took the points. but we're focussed now on iniivenng— points. but we're focussed now on delivering for— points. but we're focussed now on delivering for the british people— on delivering for the british people ani— on delivering for the british people and working for them. did you— people and working for them. did you ask— people and working for them. did you ask civil— people and working for them. did you ask civil servants- people and working for them. did you ask civil servants to put you on a one on one speeding course in relation to the process? i'm focussed on ieiivenng— process? i'm focussed on delivering for— process? i'm focussed on delivering for the - t“ i'm focussed on delivering for the british pennin— delivering for the british peopin no— delivering for the british people. do my job as home semiann— people. do my job as home secretary. what— people. do my job as home secretary. what i will say is inni— secretary. what i will say is inni in— secretary. what i will say is inni in my— secretary. what i will say is that in my view,— secretary. what i will say is that in my view, i'm confident inni— that in my view, i'm confident inni noining— that in my view, i'm confident that nothing untoward has happened— that nothing untoward has happened . — that nothing untoward has happened . \ww:::www that nothing untoward has happened. \ww:::www that nothing untoward has happened . \ww:::www w: that nothing untoward has- happened . now nearly a third of happened. now nearly a third of young survivors of the manchester arena bombing received no professional support , with a new report finding their experience is weren't validated by adults in positions of care. 22 people lost their lives when a suicide bomber detonated his device at the ariana grande concert six years ago.the ariana grande concert six years ago. the report showed three quarters of children at the event were mentally affected, but professional support wasn't offered to 4 in 10 of them . the offered to 4 in 10 of them. the princess of wales has been telling children at the chelsea flower show today that you have

to work hard to be a royal. pupils from ten schools were lucky enough to be joined by the princess for a picnic at the annual event, she was asked by one child what the role of the royal family was, and she told them help support people them they help support people and work that's being and showcase work that's being done, added, adding rather, you have work hard at being a . have to work hard at being a. royal and a former gurkha soldier has become the first double above knee amputee to reach the top of mount everest . reach the top of mount everest. 43 year old army veteran harry udumaga reached the summit on friday after arriving on april the 17th, exactly 13 years since losing his legs whilst he was in afghanistan in 2010, having made climbing history, he says now he's looking forward to spending time at home with his family in canterbury on tv , online, dab+ canterbury on tv, online, dab+ radio and the tune—in app. this is gb news, britain's news.

channel well , it's a channel well, it's a huge week for channel well , it's a huge week for the well, it's a huge week for the conservative party for rishi sunak, and it's a really huge week for trust and faith in politics and political leaders. it's becoming ever clearer to me inni— it's becoming ever clearer to me inni ine— it's becoming ever clearer to me that the pledges— it's becoming ever clearer to me that the pledges that have been made— that the pledges that have been made ni— that the pledges that have been made at-single_ that the pledges that have been made at single general made at every single general eieciion— made at every single general eieciion on— made at every single general election on legal— made at every single general election on legal immigration by the conservatives— election on legal immigration by the conservatives party and by its the conservatives party and by in innien— the conservatives party and by its leaders have— the conservatives party and by its leaders have never been in— its leaders have never been sincere. in fact,— its leaders have never been sincere. in fact, i'm beginning to sincere. in fact, i'm beginning in can— sincere. in fact, i'm beginning in cnii ii— sincere. in fact, i'm beginning to call it the _ sincere. in fact, i'm beginning to call it the great immigration lie. to call it the great immigration iin-nnnien— to call it the great immigration lie.-punters you'll- lie. tell the punters you'll innin— lie. tell the punters you'll nude ine— lie. tell the punters you'll reduce the numbers. they'll vote for reduce the numbers. they'll vote in you. — reduce the numbers. they'll vote in you. iney-ii— reduce the numbers. they'll vote for you. they'll assume labour niii— for you. they'll assume labour niii in— for you. they'll assume labour will be worse— for you. they'll assume labour will be worse their eyes on will be worse in their eyes on inn— will be worse in their eyes on inn sun-eni— will be worse in their eyes on inn sniieci .— will be worse in their eyes on this subject . but— will be worse in their eyes on this subject . but but i think this subject. but but i think ine— this subject. but but i think inn figures— this subject. but but i think the figures going get the figures we're going to get on-niii— the figures we're going to get on -will finally- the figures we're going to get on will finally end on thursday will finally end inni— on thursday will finally end inni ii— on thursday will finally end inni in win— on thursday will finally end that it will end— on thursday will finally end that it will end the argument inni— that it will end the argument that somehow— that it will end the argument that somehow labour is worse . that somehow labour is worse. ani— that somehow labour is worse. and i— that somehow labour is worse. and i ininn— that somehow labour is worse. and i think it— that somehow labour is worse. and i think it was— that somehow labour is worse. and i think it was perfectly cinn— and i think it was perfectly cienn in— and i think it was perfectly clear in 2019— and i think it was perfectly clear in 2019 when johnson got an so— clear in 2019 when johnson got an so sen— clear in 2019 when johnson got an 80 seat majority that inducing— an 80 seat majority that reducing numbers was what people noni— reducing numbers was what people voted for— reducing numbers was what people voted for ,— reducing numbers was what people voted for, int— reducing numbers was what people voted for , but he— reducing numbers was what people voted for , but he never intended voted for, but he never intended to in— voted for, but he never intended to in in— voted for, but he never intended to in in nut— voted for, but he never intended to do it. but there— voted for, but he never intended to do it. but there is one cabinet— to do it. but there is one cabinet minister who is ninoinniy— cabinet minister who is absolutely sincere on this. yes sneiin—

absolutely sincere on this. yes suella braverman— absolutely sincere on this. yes suella braverman does believe in inducing— suella braverman does believe in reducing numbers.— suella braverman does believe in reducing numbers. she does iniieve— reducing numbers. she does iniieve in— reducing numbers. she does believe in tough— reducing numbers. she does believe in tough border connin— believe in tough border controls. she - believe in tough border controls. she does believe in pennies,— controls. she does believe in policies, albeit— controls. she does believe in policies, albeit one she inherited,— policies, albeit one she inherited, such as a rwanda is net— inherited, such as a rwanda is net viny— inherited, such as a rwanda is net in is— inherited, such as a rwanda is that why is that— inherited, such as a rwanda is that why is that the reason , that why is that the reason, winem— that why is that the reason, without being— that why is that the reason, without being too conspiratorial, that she's without being too— conspiratorial, that she's being singiei— conspiratorial, that she's being singiei ont— conspiratorial, that she's being singled out after— conspiratorial, that she's being singled out after all, being canin— singled out after all, being cnngnt ion— singled out after all, being caught for speeding? what it nannens— caught for speeding? what it happens to— caught for speeding? what it happens to iii— caught for speeding? what it happens to all of us now almost every— happens to all of us now almost every inn.— happens to all of us now almost every dav- i— happens to all of us now almost every day- i mean— happens to all of us now almost every day. i mean, goodness me, inve— every day. i mean, goodness me, inve nong— every day. i mean, goodness me, drive along embankment at drive along the embankment at noo— drive along the embankment at zoo in— drive along the embankment at zoo in i...— drive along the embankment at 2:00 in the morning and you'll fini— 2:00 in the morning and you'll find its— 2:00 in the morning and you'll find it's still— 2:00 in the morning and you'll find it's still a— 2:00 in the morning and you'll find it's still a 20— 2:00 in the morning and you'll find it's still a 20 mile per nonn— find it's still a 20 mile per noun-even- find it's still a 20 mile per hour- even the- find it's still a 20 mile per hour even the archbishop hour limit. even the archbishop of hour limit. even the archbishop oi canterbury— hour limit. even the archbishop of canterbury-got- hour limit. even the archbishop of canterbury got done, of canterbury recently got done, so-non— of canterbury recently got done, so-fon n— of canterbury recently got done, so-fonn speed- so she opted for a speed awareness course . no big deal. awareness course. no big deal. you— awareness course. no big deal. you nonin— awareness course. no big deal. you would have— awareness course. no big deal. you would have thought . but she you would have thought. but she asked,— you would have thought. but she asked, given— you would have thought. but she asked, given her— you would have thought. but she asked, given her position, when...— asked, given her position, whether she— asked, given her position, whether she could do it privately— whether she could do it pnivnteiy as— whether she could do it privately as opposed to with a group- — privately as opposed to with a group. innin— privately as opposed to with a group. nanny i— privately as opposed to with a group. frankly i can't see she's inne— group. frankly i can't see she's done anytning— group. frankly i can't see she's done anything wrong. but the knives— done anything wrong. but the knives are— done anything wrong. but the knives are out— done anything wrong. but the knives are out for suella nonetning. — knives are out for suella something. her public image is sinniy— something. her public image is sinpiy no— something. her public image is simply too harsh— something. her public image is simply too harsh in terms of point— simply too harsh in terms of poucy .— simply too harsh in terms of point . innat— simply too harsh in terms of point . wnn i— simply too harsh in terms of policy . what i think in the policy. what i think in the country— policy. what i think in the country she'd— policy. what i think in the country she'd have enormous suppon— country she'd have enormous sunnon ion— country she'd have enormous sunnon non nei— country she'd have enormous support for her ideas, but not, i support for her ideas, but not, i tninn— support for her ideas, but not, i think, under— support for her ideas, but not, i think, under rishi sunak's leadership-—

i think, under rishi sunak's leadership. goodness me, he now nonn— leadership. goodness me, he now won't even commit— leadership. goodness me, he now won't even commit to net migration— won't even commit to net migration coming down below half a niiiion— migration coming down below half a niiiion n— migration coming down below half a million a year.— migration coming down below half a million a year. so— migration coming down below half a million a year. so can suella survive— a million a year. so can suella euvvive nv— a million a year. so can suella survive my guess— a million a year. so can suella survive my guess is my real eueee— survive my guess is my real guess is— survive my guess is my real guess is she'll— survive my guess is my real guess is she'll be gone before the guess is she'll be gone before tne eni— guess is she'll be gone before tne eni ei— guess is she'll be gone before the end of the— guess is she'll be gone before the end of the week. let me know unet— the end of the week. let me know vnut vou— the end of the week. let me know vnut veu tninv. — the end of the week. let me know what you think. farage at gb neve— what you think. farage at gb news .com. that's our new website.— news .com. that's our new website. ne— news .com. that's our new website. as of— news .com. that's our new website. as of today. gb news being— website. as of today. gb news .com being our— website. as of today. gb news .com being our website. well joining— .com being our website. well joining ne— .com being our website. well joining ne .— .com being our website. well joining me , fresh from a speed joining me, fresh from a speed awareness course— joining me, fresh from a speed awareness course is nick pisani ex series editor— awareness course is nick pisani ex series editor of— awareness course is nick pisani ex series editor of bbc's question— ex series editor of bbc's question time- ex series editor of bbc's question time and former head of presentation— question time and former head of presentation for— question time and former head of presentation for david cameron . presentation for david cameron. not presentation for david cameron. net a— presentation for david cameron. net a nun— presentation for david cameron. net a nun ei— presentation for david cameron. not a fan of brexit_ presentation for david cameron. not a fan of brexit or the conservative— not a fan of brexit or the conservative party necessarily, but conservative party necessarily, in tun-e— conservative party necessarily, but that's not— conservative party necessarily, but that's not the— conservative party necessarily, but that's not the point. can you— but that's not the point. can you see— but that's not the point. can you ine— but that's not the point. can you see? the point i'm making is net— you see? the point i'm making is net ene— you see? the point i'm making is that she actually— you see? the point i'm making is that she actually really does ieiieve— that she actually really does ieiieve in— that she actually really does believe in a— that she actually really does believe in a very— that she actually really does believe in a very robust border neiiev— believe in a very robust border peiiev uni— believe in a very robust border policy and reducing numbers. is nut— policy and reducing numbers. is tnn vnv— policy and reducing numbers. is tnn vvnv ene-e— policy and reducing numbers. is that why she's been given such a nun— that why she's been given such a nun unen— that why she's been given such a hard time? no,— that why she's been given such a hard time? no, she's been given a nun— hard time? no, she's been given a nun tine,— hard time? no, she's been given ennui time, i— hard time? no, she's been given a hard time, i think, for a numeri— a hard time, i think, for a nunnevi ef— a hard time, i think, for a number of other reasons. opt; number of other reasons. one is that— number of other reasons. one is that sue-s— number of other reasons. one is that sne-s get— number of other reasons. one is that she's got form. she lost herjob in that she's got form. she lost her job in the that she's got form. she lost herjob in the very short that she's got form. she lost her job in the very short lived truss government. she was brought back, as we know, by

rishi on a sunday afternoon. let's remind people , let's let's remind people, let's remini— let's remind people, let's remind-ei- let's remind people, let's remind of what let's remind people, let's remind-of what did. remind people of what she did. veue— remind people of what she did. veu-ve—vvnn- remind people of what she did. you're—what shei you're quite right of what she iii. — you're quite right of what she iii. lune— you're quite right of what she did. .was judged— you're quite right of what she did. was judged that she'd did. it was judged that she'd ineeenei— did. it was judged that she'd breached the— did. it was judged that she'd breached the ministerial code by sending— breached the ministerial code by sending-official— breached the ministerial code by sending official document to sending an official document to a sending an official document to e ion— sending an official document to a tory backbencher from a neveenui— a tory backbencher from a personal email. - a tory backbencher from a personal email. no, no, no. she was censored and— personal email. no, no, no. she was censored and she- personal email. no, no, no. she was censored and she resigned. it was a serious. it doesn't matter. look you were telling everybody that immigration numbers would go we numbers would go down if we voted brexit. of course. what's happened? very happened? of course, the very opposite. so many other opposite. like so many other things advocated for things that were advocated for brexit, obviously a clear brexit, she's obviously a clear brexiteer. so why, given brexiteer. yes. so why, given tnie— brexiteer. yes. so why, given tnie eeneue— brexiteer. yes. so why, given this serious breach- mix “cit? so why, given this serious breach and it was a serious , no question serious breach, no question about—savl serious breach, no question- uieut—eev ene-e about that. when you say she's got about that. when you say she's get em,— about that. when you say she's get fern, ene— about that. when you say she's got form, she does— about that. when you say she's got form, she does have she gees.— got form, she does have she goes. — got form, she does have she goes. anu— got form, she does have she does. and that's- got form, she does have she does. 'w: got form, she does have she does. ' w: does. and that's why she's at risk was she brought risk now, why was she brought back? brought back back? well, she was brought back and you know this and i think you know this perfectly well, because on the weekend prior to the monday when perfectly well, because on the weetoriesirior to the monday when perfectly well, because on the weetories were 0 the monday when perfectly well, because on the weetories were going monday when perfectly well, because on the wee tories were going mo decide hen the tories were going to decide who replace truss, rishi who was to replace truss, rishi panicked and he brought her in because he thought it would bnng because he thought it would bring enough the erg bring enough of the erg headbanger is bring enough of them over so that he would win. clearly stopped boris in his

tracks. headbangers to a rennie— tracks. headbangers to a remainer, but— tracks. headbangers to a remainer, but in- t headbangers to a remainer, but in political m5— remainer, but in political terms, rishi's_ remainer, but in political terms, rishi's judgement was vignn — terms, rishi's judgement was nignn ves— terms, rishi's judgement was nignn ves .— terms, rishi's judgement was nignn ves . in— terms, rishi's judgement was right. “cit? " terms, rishi's judgement was right. /wis " w; w; right. yes, in terms of getting the job, it was right. and now he has the opportunity. if he wants to. and i suspect i don't know if there'll be an inquiry, but if there is, i suspect it will be quite equivocal and it will be quite equivocal and it will be quite equivocal and it will be a political decision on what he does and he needs to decide. one, have a home decide. one, i have a home secretary than secretary more unpopular than her predecessor . who'd have her predecessor. who'd have thought possible priti thought that possible with priti patel. unpopular thought that possible with priti patel . unpopular with whom? the patel. unpopular with whom? the eieetennee — patel. unpopular with whom? the electorate? generally.— unpopular with whom? the electorate? t g electorate? generally. the swing voters. sorts of person the voters. the sorts of person the tories to stay tories will need to stay in power. don't like word power. they don't like the word rwanda that it conjures rwanda and all that it conjures up. she's a fan of that. i up. she's a big fan of that. i own a second. i own a second. niev— own a second. i own a second. uiev unen— own a second. i own a second. uiev wnen vou— own a second. i own a second. nick when you actually look at nuiiie— nick when you actually look at guiiie opinion— nick when you actually look at public opinion on— nick when you actually look at public opinion on illegal, i mean,-illegal- public opinion on illegal, i mean, illegal for now, mean, let's illegal for now, ve-ii— mean, let's illegal for now, ve-ii nin— mean, let's illegal for now, we'll talk about— mean, let's illegal for now, we'll talk about actually a nut-enn— we'll talk about actually a majority think— we'll talk about actually a majority think the rwanda plan is majority think the rwanda plan ie-eeneiiie.— majority think the rwanda plan is-sensiblelthink- majority think the rwanda plan is sensible. think those is quite sensible. i think those veevet— is quite sensible. i think those veenet need— is quite sensible. i think those voters need tory— is quite sensible. i think those voters need tory government neede— voters need tory government needs te— voters need tory government needs to win— voters need tory government needs to win. — voters need tory government needs to win . �*fvw�*iwiw voters need tory government needs to win . ism; voters need tory government needs to win . needs to win. who think that they don't exist. they don't think rwanda's cool. they think the whole idea stinks. and it kind of does really. but her other problem is that, as i was

saying, because she's got form, she's vulnerable and he's got to decide whether or not overall she's an electoral asset or liability arnie brought her liability arnie he brought her in panicked over in because he panicked over bods in because he panicked over boris will be his boris and now will be his opportunity replace opportunity probably to replace her. but 57 on the last big opinion poll focaldata poll, 10,000 people on levels of legal immigration. imean 10,000 people on levels of legal immigration. i mean bear in min,— immigration. i mean bear in min, tneee— immigration. i mean bear in mind, these figures- g i mean bear in mind, these figures are coming tnie— mind, these figures are coming tnie inuveiuv.— mind, these figures are coming this thursday. these are this is quite— this thursday. these are this is quite-event— this thursday. these are this is quite-event for- this thursday. these are this is quite-event for the- quite a big event for the conservative— quite a big event for the conservative party. it is. but vou— conservative party. it is. but veu tun— conservative party. it is. but can you just legal 57% of the country— can you just legal 57% of the country nint— can you just legal 57% of the country think legal immigration is country think legal immigration ie running— country think legal immigration is running ut— country think legal immigration is running at too— country think legal immigration is running at too high a level they— is running at too high a level they go,— is running at too high a level they no, but— is running at too high a level they do, but they're not iietening— they do, but they're not listening business. they do, but they're not- listening. business. they're they do, but they're not- list

likely to be three times higher than it was before brexit. we eunu— than it was before brexit. we eenn just— than it was before brexit. we eunn iuu ge— than it was before brexit. we eunn iuu ge en— than it was before brexit. we can't just go on giving in to g..— can't just go on giving in to the demands— can't just go on giving in to the demands of— can't just go on giving in to the demands of business for more and neve— the demands of business for more and eneun— the demands of business for more and more cheap unskilled labour. nigel— and more cheap unskilled labour. uigei. vou— and more cheap unskilled labour. uigei. veu enu— and more cheap unskilled labour. nigel, you and your— and more cheap unskilled labour. nigel, you and your colleagues told us all that we would be able to. yes which france to get the numbers, which is why as a result of brexit, doesn't result of brexit, france doesn't have which have those obligations, which is. > that previous is. yeah > and that in previous ines— is. yeah > and that in previous tines-tinny— is. yeah > and that in previous times-tiddly number- / > and that in previous times tiddly number of times was a tiddly number of gene.— times was a tiddly number of people. frustration, i'm very people. my frustration, i'm very frustrated— people. my frustration, i'm very frustrated with— people. my frustration, i'm very frustrated with brexit as much as frustrated with brexit as much ee-ee— frustrated with brexit as much ee-ue vou— frustrated with brexit as much ee-ue veu une- frustrated with brexit as much as-as you are for- frustrated with brexit as much as as you are for very as much as you are for very gn...m_ as much as you are for very different reasons, because a conservative— different reasons, because a conservative government under eerie— conservative government under boris—johnson. boris johnson, boris johnson uetueiiv— boris johnson, boris johnson actually lowered the entry requirements— actually lowered the entry requirements into this country inner— requirements into this country inner n...— requirements into this country rather than making it, rather n...— rather than making it, rather g... mening— rather than making it, rather than making them tougher and inner— than making them tougher and inner n...— than making them tougher and rather than-them- than making them tougher and rather than them tighter. rather than making them tighter. and rather than making them tighter. uni—neve- rather than making them tighter. and—have-dol and that's why we have this. do you— and that's why we have this. do veu-ve— and that's why we have this. do veu-vve eun— and that's why we have this. do veu-vve ge— and that's why we have this. do veu-vve ge en- and that's why we have this. do you we can go on with you think we can go on with iegei— you think we can go on with iegei net— you think we can go on with legal net migration approaching a niiiien— legal net migration approaching a million people— legal net migration approaching a million people a year? well, it's a million people a year? well, its net— a million people a year? well, it's not approaching a million geenie— it's not approaching a million neegie u— it's not approaching a million people u veun — it's not approaching a million people a year. c wig people a year. it's approaching 5 at the moment. if 5 to 600,000 at the moment. if you go back 2 or 3 years, the figures were way down on that. but what i would like to ask you, these you, what are all these companies do who cannot find companies to do who cannot find the staff? what they do? the staff? what are they to do? how more ? we have an economy how pay more? we have an economy thatis how pay more? we have an economy

that is not hospitality, hospitality. we can't just train inun— hospitality. we can't just train nun pickers— can we can't just train fruit pickers overnight . pay in fruit pickers overnight. pay in neennuinv— fruit pickers overnight. pay in neennuinvlun— fruit pickers overnight. pay in hospitality up by 10% as hospitality is up by 10% as opposed— hospitality is up by 10% as eggeeei te— hospitality is up by 10% as opposed to average wage. still, 900,000— opposed to average wage. still, 900,000 vacancies. and there are 5.3 900,000 vacancies. and there are in niiiien— 900,000 vacancies. and there are 5.3 million people— 900,000 vacancies. and there are 5.3 million people of working age— 5.3 million people of working age net— 5.3 million people of working age not working.— 5.3 million people of working age not working. these are massive problems for the government— massive problems for the government to- massive problems for the government to solve, but we're net— government to solve, but we're not going— government to solve, but we're not going te— government to solve, but we're not going to solve— government to solve, but we're not going to solve them. we're not going to solve them. we're not going— not going to solve them. we're not going te— not going to solve them. we're not going to solve— not going to solve them. we're not going to solve them. we're not going to solve them by neeeiveiv— not going to solve them by massively increasing the intuition— massively increasing the neguiunen .— massively increasing the population . and here's the point population. and here's the point on population. and here's the point o._gn- population. and here's the point en—iut thisl on immigration, nick, but this is on immigration, nick, but this ie-tneee— on immigration, nick, but this is-those that- on immigration, nick, but this is-those that are- on immigration, nick, but this is those that are coming is all of those that are coming of is all of those that are coming ei—ene— is all of those that are coming ei—une eening- is all of those that are coming of_are coming thisi is all of those that are coming. of_are coming this of of those that are coming this of the of those that are coming this of tne iigunee— of those that are coming this of tne iiguvee ve— of those that are coming this of the figures we got— of those that are coming this of the figures we got on thursday, vvnien— the figures we got on thursday, vvnien-ie— the figures we got on thursday, which-be massive- the figures we got on thursday, which be massive kyiv and which would be massive kyiv and we knew— which would be massive kyiv and we inevv tnev-ve— which would be massive kyiv and we know they've inflated by we know they've been inflated by unname— we know they've been inflated by unaine, iv— we know they've been inflated by gngng, iv nong— we know they've been inflated by ukraine, by hong kong. we get nun— ukraine, by hong kong. we get tnun—nuti ukraine, by hong kong. we get. nun—nut ei that. we understand that. but of nose— that. we understand that. but of tneee-eniv— that. we understand that. but of tneee-eniv-ene- those figures, only 20% are uetuuiiv— those figures, only 20% are actually permits . the rest actually work permits. the rest are dependents— actually work permits. the rest are dependents and we've got the iuiieveue— are dependents and we've got the ludicrous situation— are dependents and we've got the ludicrous situation where students— ludicrous situation where students can _ ludicrous situation where students can now bring independence . so surely all independence. so surely all tun-e— independence. so surely all tneie get— independence. so surely all tnet-e get te— independence. so surely all that's got to end. but nigel, een-evniein— that's got to end. but nigel, can .explain to - that's got to end. but nigel, can explain to me this? can you explain to me this? ninet— can you explain to me this? what is— can you explain to me this? what is the— can you explain to me this? what is the total— can you explain to me this? what is the total number of people in legal you people coming in legal if you exclude ukraine and if you exclude ukraine and if you exclude hong kong and i think you'll find the numbers are much the as they year, the same as they were last year, if the projection if the projection thursday is projection for thursday is right, it's still going to be

approaching half a million. i mean , it is a mind bending mean, it is a mind bending nunnent — mean, it is a mind bending number. our— mean, it is a mind bending number. oi” iwwt. mean, it is a mind bending number. oi ” wt. mean, it is a mind bending- number. our public services know the way these numbers are compiled. we have freedom of movement with the european union until a year or two ago. and it was impossible even to measure the numbers back then. so it's very easy to be dramatic about this. and i don't i don't for one minute resile from the political impact that it could have. but back to the home secretary. she's actually peddung secretary. she's actually peddling policy that i think peddling a policy that i think most don't most of the government don't believe including the prime believe in, including the prime minister. agree with you. and minister. i agree with you. and it extraordinary see her it was extraordinary to see her speak a conference that speak at a conference that wasn't a conference, but wasn't a tory conference, but called conference called itself a tory conference last week. this, i think, gets to last week. this, i think, gets te tne— last week. this, i think, gets te tne neut— last week. this, i think, gets to the heart of— last week. this, i think, gets to the heart of her- this, i think, gets to the heart of her problem that the to the heart of her problem that tne—despitel the conservative party, despite zen,— the conservative party, despite eon, zen,— the conservative party, despite 2010, 2015, 2017,— the conservative party, despite 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019, going to the 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019, going to tne eeuntnv— 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019, going to the country promising to reduce nunnent— the country promising to reduce nunnenet atue— the country promising to reduce numbers akua actually the cabinet— numbers akua actually the cabinet don't— numbers akua actually the cabinet don't believe in it . she cabinet don't believe in it. she tees.— cabinet don't believe in it. she ieee. inet-e— cabinet don't believe in it. she does. that's why— cabinet don't believe in it. she does. that's why she's being eingiei— does. that's why she's being eingiee eut— does. that's why she's being singled out. and— does. that's why she's being singled out. and let's be neneet,— singled out. and let's be honest, let's— singled out. and let's be honest, let's be honest. you knew,— honest, let's be honest. you know, tne— honest, let's be honest. you know, the previous stuff was quite— know, the previous stuff was quite eeneue— know, the previous stuff was quite serious and i agree with

you— quite serious and i agree with veu en— quite serious and i agree with veu en tne.— quite serious and i agree with you on that. but— quite serious and i agree with you on that. but this particular ee—eeiiei— you on that. but this particular so—called crime— you on that. but this particular so—called crime is— you on that. but this particular so—called crime is nothing, is it? so—called crime is nothing, is it — so—called crime is nothing, is it teen.— so—called crime is nothing, is it? yeah, but— so—called crime is nothing, is it? yeah, but she— so—called crime is nothing, is it? /wi?" i it? yeah, but she represented the boris government's view on immigration and boris and his government have gone because people didn't take it seriously . now she's trying to fly the flag in the rishi government where she does not have the same degree of support around the cabinet table. they wait cabinet table. will they wait for inquiry or will be for the inquiry or will she be gone by the end of the week? i think it will depend on whether there is an investigation and how concludes. as said there is an investigation and hothe concludes. as said there is an investigation and hothe beginning, as said there is an investigation and hothe beginning, i as said there is an investigation and hothe beginning, i think said there is an investigation and hothe beginning, i think it said at the beginning, i think it likely equivocal so it will likely equivocal all. so it will be ultimately decision by be ultimately the decision by the prime both to the prime minister both to commission from his commission the report from his ethics adviser and to act on the findings . and what's done findings. and what's she done wrong. i suspect that she has eetueiiv— wrong. i suspect that she has actually breached _ ig i suspect that she has actually breached the ministerial- actually breached the ministerial a actually breached the- ministerial-a fairly ministerial code in a fairly ine— ministerial code in a fairly nev— ministerial code in a fairly vvev .— ministerial code in a fairly minor way ,-she- ministerial code in a fairly. minor way ,-she-she's ministerial code in a fairly- minor way ,-she-she's got minor way, but she has she's got tenn— minor way, but she has she's got tern eni— minor way, but she has she's got teen and veuve— minor way, but she has she's got form and you've got to take that inte— form and you've got to take that inte. — form and you've got to take that inte. viny— form and you've got to take that inte. vinv en— form and you've got to take that into. why on earth— form and you've got to take that into. why on earth why- form and you've got to take that into. �*wswwigv iii" iii" form and you've got to take that into. ivy iii" wi�* into. why on earth why on earth would a woman who has talked about an activist blob of left wing lawyers, civil servants and the labour party trust her civil servants? she sounds awful when she does that. wokeist off the

ante. wacky stuff. well, we'd agree to disagree on that, nick, as have for many years on as we have for many years on many subjects. but i have to say her many subjects. but i have to say nen tiggeet— "g t but i have to say her biggest misjudgement, her biggest— her biggest misjudgement, her tiggeet—evenl her biggest misjudgement, heri biggest—over this biggest misjudgement over this is biggest misjudgement over this ie-nen— biggest misjudgement over this ie-neneivii— biggest misjudgement over this is her civil servants . is to trust her civil servants. now: _ is to trust her civil servants. uev, etieting— is to trust her civil servants. now, sticking on— is to trust her civil servants. now, sticking on this issue and why— now, sticking on this issue and vvnv tnie— now, sticking on this issue and why this government is failing so why this government is failing ee nativ— why this government is failing ee teiiv eni— why this government is failing so badly and upsetting. 2019 inevit— so badly and upsetting. 2019 brexit voters— so badly and upsetting. 2019 brexit voters in— so badly and upsetting. 2019 brexit voters in that election, as nuen— brexit voters in that election, as much as they— brexit voters in that election, as much as they are , is as much as they are, is intense— as much as they are, is professor matt goodwin has uneven— professor matt goodwin has tneten e— professor matt goodwin has broken a story— professor matt goodwin has broken a story tonight that more nenev— broken a story tonight that more nenev nee— broken a story tonight that more nenev nee teen— broken a story tonight that more money has been spent on housing iiiegei— money has been spent on housing illegal migrants— money has been spent on housing illegal migrants than has been spent— illegal migrants than has been spent en— illegal migrants than has been spent on levelling up projects in tne— spent on levelling up projects in tne tenn— spent on levelling up projects in the north west, the north—east— in the north west, the north—east and yorkshire eentinei— north—east and yorkshire eentinei .— north—east and yorkshire combined . that is a truly combined. that is a truly stunning— combined. that is a truly stunning statistic . and when one stunning statistic. and when one tninte— stunning statistic. and when one tninte eteut— stunning statistic. and when one thinks about all— stunning statistic. and when one thinks about all those red wall sente— thinks about all those red wall eeete tnet— thinks about all those red wall seats that were— thinks about all those red wall seats that were expecting ieveiiing — seats that were expecting tevetting ug— seats that were expecting levelling up funds were expecting— levelling up funds were expecting business regulator entiene— expecting business regulator eptienetev— expecting business regulator options for the— expecting business regulator options for the self—employed to be options for the self—employed to te eeeei— options for the self—employed to te eeeei eni— options for the self—employed to be eased and immigration levels to be eased and immigration levels te eenne— be eased and immigration levels te ievn— be eased and immigration levels to come down, i— be eased and immigration levels to come down, i have to say, eeeivin— to come down, i have to say, goodwin that— to come down, i have to say, goodwin that is— to come down, i have to say, goodwin that is a- to come down, i have to say, goodwin that is a very, very nevevtui— goodwin that is a very, very powerful stat.— goodwin that is a very, very powerful stat. in— goodwin that is a very, very powerful stat. in a moment,

vett— powerful stat. in a moment, ve-ii te— powerful stat. in a moment, we'll be joined— powerful stat. in a moment, we'll be joined by former labour ninietev— we'll be joined by former labour minister shaun— we'll be joined by former labour minister shaun woodward to talk eteut— minister shaun woodward to talk eteut tne— minister shaun woodward to talk eteut tne uns— minister shaun woodward to talk about the nhs and keir starmer. can about the nhs and keir starmer. cen ne— about the nhs and keir starmer. cen ne iive— about the nhs and keir starmer. cen ne iive un— about the nhs and keir starmer. can he live up to— about the nhs and keir starmer. can he live up to his promises of can he live up to his promises et tiving— can he live up to his promises et tiving it—

you're listening to gb news newsradio . you're listening to gb news newsradio. well, you're listening to gb news newsradio . well, some of your newsradio. well, some of your eetiene— newsradio. well, some of your eetiene te— newsradio. well, some of your reactions to can— \w i well, some of your reactions to can suella survive? gett— reactions to can suella survive? gent eave— reactions to can suella survive? gent saysv vvnen— reactions to can suella survive? gent saysv then i— reactions to can suella survive? jeff says, when i was caught speeding,— jeff says, when i was caught epeeeing, i— jeff says, when i was caught speeding, i took— jeff says, when i was caught speeding, i took the opportunity of speeding, i took the opportunity et e— speeding, i took the opportunity et e eneei— speeding, i took the opportunity of a speed awareness course. as tnie— of a speed awareness course. as tnie ieeeene— of a speed awareness course. as this lessons the— of a speed awareness course. as this lessons the impact on my car insurance premium. i don't tinne— car insurance premium. i don't tiene sueiie— car insurance premium. i don't blame suella for— car insurance premium. i don't blame suella for trying the iett. — blame suella for trying the let. i— blame suella for trying the same. jeff. i did a speed awareness— same. jeff. i did a speed awareness course. i tell you unet— awareness course. i tell you what, i— awareness course. i tell you what, i tet— awareness course. i tell you what, i bet they— awareness course. i tell you what, i bet they wished i'd never walked— what, i bet they wished i'd never walked through the front teen— never walked through the front teen inte — never walked through the front door into that— never walked through the front door into that room. all this nuttien— door into that room. all this rubbish about— door into that room. all this rubbish about speed kills. no netenveve— rubbish about speed kills. no motorways actually are by far the motorways actually are by far tne—te- motorways actually are by far the—to drive.- motorways actually are by far| the—to drive. and motorways actually are by far. the—to drive. and i the safest place to drive. and i tnint— the safest place to drive. and i tnint tnene— the safest place to drive. and i think there arguments think there are many arguments for think there are many arguments ten eneei— think there are many arguments ten speed-te— think there are many arguments ten eneei-te ge- think there are many arguments for speed-to go up- think there are many arguments for speed to go up in for speed limits to go up in tnie— for speed limits to go up in tnie eeuntvv— for speed limits to go up in this country, not— for speed limits to go up in this country, not down 20mph euteiie— this country, not down 20mph outside schools— this country, not down 20mph outside schools in morning and ettenneen— outside schools in morning and afternoon makes— outside schools in morning and afternoon makes sense. not at noe— afternoon makes sense. not at we in— afternoon makes sense. not at we in tne— afternoon makes sense. not at 3:00 in the morning, adrian says . et— 3:00 in the morning, adrian says . oi eeuvee— 3:00 in the morning, adrian says . of course, she— 3:00 in the morning, adrian says . of course, she must survive . . of course, she must survive. in— . of course, she must survive. in net— . of course, she must survive. in net sue— . of course, she must survive. i'm not sure she— . of course, she must survive. i'm not sure she will, ian says

. inn-t— i'm not sure she will, ian says . ien-t it— i'm not sure she will, ian says . ien-t it e— i'm not sure she will, ian says . ien-t it e in— i'm not sure she will, ian says . isn't it a tiny bit— i'm not sure she will, ian says . isn't it a tiny bit strange tnet— . isn't it a tiny bit strange tnet ee— . isn't it a tiny bit strange that as soon— . isn't it a tiny bit strange that as soon as- . isn't it a tiny bit strange that as soon as a minister looks tite— that as soon as a minister looks iite tnev— that as soon as a minister looks tite tnev nignt— that as soon as a minister looks like they might actually deliver a like they might actually deliver e inevit— like they might actually deliver a brexit promise— like they might actually deliver a brexit promise ? they're a brexit promise? they're eeeueei— a brexit promise? they're eeeueei et— a brexit promise? they're accused of breaching the ministerial— accused of breaching the ministerial code and finally, cunei— ministerial code and finally, cevei enve— ministerial code and finally, cevei eeve ,— ministerial code and finally, cenet euve , i— ministerial code and finally, carol says , i don't even have to carol says, i don't even have to tnint— carol says, i don't even have to tnint tviee— carol says, i don't even have to think twice about— carol says, i don't even have to think twice about the smear eunpeign— think twice about the smear campaign against braverman. it's a campaign against braverman. it's e etiten— campaign against braverman. it's e etiten un— campaign against braverman. it's e etiten up te— campaign against braverman. it's e etiten up te get— campaign against braverman. it's a stitch up to get rid of anyone vvne— a stitch up to get rid of anyone vvne ieeen-t— a stitch up to get rid of anyone who doesn't agree— a stitch up to get rid of anyone who doesn't agree with sunak. wett— who doesn't agree with sunak. wen, vue— who doesn't agree with sunak. well, you're absolutely right . well, you're absolutely right. now:— well, you're absolutely right. uev, iete— well, you're absolutely right. now, let's change gears and tete— now, let's change gears and ten tuit— now, let's change gears and let's talk about— now, let's change gears and let's talk about the national neeitn— let's talk about the national health service.— let's talk about the national health service. there is absolutely— health service. there is absolutely no- health service. there is absolutely no doubt that over the absolutely no doubt that over tne eeuvee— absolutely no doubt that over the course .the _ absolutely no doubt that over the course the last few the course of the last few vee— the course of the last few years, confidence in the nhs has iininien— years, confidence in the nhs has iininien .— years, confidence in the nhs has iininien . nut— years, confidence in the nhs has diminish . but many people now diminish. but many people now eeeting— diminish. but many people now eeeting eut— diminish. but many people now eeeting eut it— diminish. but many people now seeking out if they can afford it. private— seeking out if they can afford it. private gp— seeking out if they can afford it. private gp consultations so teiev— it. private gp consultations so teiev ve— it. private gp consultations so today was quite— it. private gp consultations so today was quite a— it. private gp consultations so today was quite a big speech by sir today was quite a big speech by sin nei— today was quite a big speech by sir keir starmer,_ today was quite a big speech by sir keir starmer, leader of the teteun— sir keir starmer, leader of the teteuv nutty,— sir keir starmer, leader of the labour party, trailed yesterday by labour party, trailed yesterday iv vvee— labour party, trailed yesterday by wes streeting, who was doing the by wes streeting, who was doing tne eunei— by wes streeting, who was doing tne eunei et— by wes streeting, who was doing the rounds of studios. but the gueetien— the rounds of studios. but the gueetien neve— the rounds of studios. but the question here really is can he iive— question here really is can he iive un— question here really is can he iive up te— question here really is can he iive up te nie— question here really is can he live up to his promises? can he retentiv— live up to his promises? can he radically reduce— live up to his promises? can he radically reduce those waiting iiete— radically reduce those waiting iiete et— radically reduce those waiting lists of over— radically reduce those waiting lists of over 7— radically reduce those waiting lists of over 7 million people? net— lists of over 7 million people? get ambulances— lists of over 7 million people? get ambulances back on time and had get ambulances back on time and int n— get ambulances back on time and int u very— get ambulances back on time and net u very tig— get ambulances back on time and had a very big pledge that he nette— had a very big pledge that he nude teen— had a very big pledge that he made teiev ie— had a very big pledge that he made today is to—

had a very big pledge that he made today is to make sure that cancer sufferers,— made today is to make sure that cancer sufferers, those eiegneeei— cancer sufferers, those diagnosed ed, are dealt with in enen— diagnosed ed, are dealt with in enevt enter— diagnosed ed, are dealt with in enent enien .— diagnosed ed, are dealt with in short order . well,— diagnosed ed, are dealt with in short order . well, shaun short order. well, shaun vveeivveni— short order. well, shaun woodward was briefly a conservative— woodward was briefly a conservative mp, but then was a teteun— conservative mp, but then was a teteun iii— conservative mp, but then was a labour mp and— conservative mp, but then was a labour mp and a— conservative mp, but then was a labour mp and a labour minister and ieine— labour mp and a labour minister and ieine ne— labour mp and a labour minister and joins me down— labour mp and a labour minister and joins me down the line this evening— and joins me down the line this evening .— and joins me down the line this evening . shaun,— and joins me down the line this evening . shaun, thank you for evening. shaun, thank you for eening— evening. shaun, thank you for eening en— evening. shaun, thank you for eening en tne— evening. shaun, thank you for coming on the programme. isn't it tne— coming on the programme. isn't it tne eeee— coming on the programme. isn't it the case that— coming on the programme. isn't it the case that at— coming on the programme. isn't it the case that at every genenet— it the case that at every general election since you and i neve— general election since you and i neve teen— general election since you and i have been following this subject , tnet— have been following this subject , tnet tne— have been following this subject , that the leaders— have been following this subject , that the leaders of both nentiee— , that the leaders of both nentiee ,— , that the leaders of both parties , particularly the parties, particularly the enneeitien— parties, particularly the opposition leader, promised us to opposition leader, promised us te tin— opposition leader, promised us te tiv tne— opposition leader, promised us to fix the nhs?— opposition leader, promised us to fix the nhs? why would keir stunnen-e— to fix the nhs? why would keir starmer's offer— to fix the nhs? why would keir starmer's offer be— to fix the nhs? why would keir starmer's offer be different tnie— starmer's offer be different tnie tine— starmer's offer be different tnie time i— starmer's offer be different this time ? well, first of all, this time? well, first of all, tnent— this time? well, first of all, tnent veu— this time? well, first of all, tnent veu venv— this time? well, first of all, thank you very much for having me on your programme this evening. — me on your programme this evening. nigel. - me on your programme this evening. nigel. i- me on your programme this evening. \w wigwit me on your programme this evening. \w wigwi evening. nigel. i was also, by the way, briefly a health minister in my time under tony blair before i went into the cabinet to northern ireland and i was health minister in northern ireland and we introduced the smoking ban , introduced the smoking ban, which i'm sure you approved of at the time. but it has saved

many, many lives by doing so. and i'm really proud of what we did then. and i'm instances only because it's an example of something that somebody thought couldn't be done. we did it and we have really helped people's lives and improve people's lives . and i think and when you say people always promise coming into an election , they'll do into an election, they'll do something the i something about the nhs, i remember when was a remember when i was a conservative member of parliament in 1997 and a young labour man, tony blair, became prime minister and everybody inside the conservative party tried to discredit his ambition to overhaul the nhs and he did. and he brought nurses into the nhs that had been leaving. he brought doctors in. we had a massive training programme and by the time i became a labour member of parliament after two years as a tory and i spent the rest of my time being a labour member of parliament, we actually made huge strides in improvements in the nhs. so i think having an ambition for the nhs and a vision for the nhs is

absolutely necessary. and i think to be fair for one of the things that really distinguishes keir starmer from rishi sunak, who i actually think is quite a decent man, is that i don't think that rishi has a vision for the nhs because the conservative party, just as it doesn't have a vision for what it was going to do with brexit, it was going to do with brexit, it has no vision for what it's going to do with the nhs. and i think what keir starmer today did was present a very ambitious , comprehensive and exciting vision that wasn't only just about more money, it was actually about using technology and it was about a plan for the nhs. and that's why i think this is worth listening to. well, one of the is worth listening to. well, one et tne tninge— is worth listening to. well, one of the things that— is worth listening to. well, one of the things that he- is worth listening to. well, one of the things that he did- e 511i" wig well, one of the things that he did say tnet— of the things that he did say tnet i— of the things that he did say tnet i egnee— of the things that he did say that i agree with totally was tnet— that i agree with totally was tnet tne — that i agree with totally was that the nhs— that i agree with totally was that the nhs should be doing more preventative medicine, you knew,— more preventative medicine, you knew, netting— more preventative medicine, you know, helping people adapt iiteetviee— know, helping people adapt iiteetviee .— know, helping people adapt lifestyles . and— know, helping people adapt lifestyles . and i fully lifestyles. and i fully understand- lifestyles. and i fully understand the point you make. i neve— understand the point you make. i neve te— understand the point you make. i neve te euv— understand the point you make. i neve te euv tne— understand the point you make. i have to say the 2006 smoking ban was have to say the 2006 smoking ban nee—ninetee- have to say the 2006 smoking ban nee—neniei in- was incredibly heavy handed in tanning— was incredibly heavy handed in tenning it— was incredibly heavy handed in tenning it in— was incredibly heavy handed in banning it in private members etute— banning it in private members etute eni— banning it in private members etute and i— banning it in private members clubs and i didn't support that. but clubs and i didn't support that. nut-iv— clubs and i didn't support that. nut-iv tne— clubs and i didn't support that. nut-iv tne iv— clubs and i didn't support that. but-by the by but- clubs and i didn't support that. but by the by but wes but that's by the by but wes stneeting— but that's by the by but wes streeting yesterday talked about

tneee— streeting yesterday talked about tneee-eugen— streeting yesterday talked about tneee-eugen ,- streeting yesterday talked about these sugar , obesity, these issues of sugar, obesity, vetting,— these issues of sugar, obesity, vaping, etcetera_ these issues of sugar, obesity, vaping, etcetera and quite epeniv— vaping, etcetera and quite openly euii— vaping, etcetera and quite openly said that labour would tne— openly said that labour would tne neevv— openly said that labour would use the heavy hand of the state. is use the heavy hand of the state. ie tnet— use the heavy hand of the state. ie tnet tne— use the heavy hand of the state. is that the best— use the heavy hand of the state. is that the best way to put into place— is that the best way to put into place preventative _ is that the best way to put into place preventative medicine or neute— place preventative medicine or veute nennune— place preventative medicine or would perhaps education and encouragement— would perhaps education and encouragement be a better route 7 encouragement be a better route etien,— encouragement be a better route etien, i— encouragement be a better route etien, i ten-t— encouragement be a better route ? well, i don't think it eveiuiee— ? well, i don't think it excludes education and eneeunuging— excludes education and encouraging it, but i have to say— encouraging it, but i have to euv tne— encouraging it, but i have to euv tne ten— encouraging it, but i have to say the ban on— encouraging it, but i have to say the ban on smoking, which tieneeiv— say the ban on smoking, which was fiercely resisted by many neede— was fiercely resisted by many peoplev nee— was fiercely resisted by many people, has turned out to be nugeiv— people, has turned out to be hugely successful. ' wi people, has turned out to be hugely successful. i i hugely successful. and who today would seriously think they could go into a general election with a manifesto that said we're going remove ban on going to remove the ban on smoking? a really great smoking? this is a really great idea . i actually think idea. so i don't actually think we can go down that road. i think you do sometimes have to use these tools, as it's clear to me and my daughter is deliciously ella, who's done a huge amount of work on this area, particularly attractive to young people . we do need to young people. we do need to change the way that young people think about eating and the way

sometimes their parents are feeding them. they're not bad parent. it's the truth is they don't know and they are subject to all kinds of insidious exploitation. and it is exploitation. and it is exploitation often by those who want to sell them large amounts of sweets and food. that's bad for them. and there's no doubt that a child that's got a significant weight problem needs help. and i think that one of the things that we're talking about here is recognising that we can use the instruments of the state to help improve the health of the nation. well, if does sound heavy handed, sean, but but , you know, does sound heavy handed, sean, but but, you know, i understand the point that you're making. tony blair, you mentioned who did tony blair, you mentioned who iii nut— tony blair, you mentioned who iii nut e— tony blair, you mentioned who iii gut e tet— tony blair, you mentioned who did put a lot of— tony blair, you mentioned who did put a lot of money into the neeitn— did put a lot of money into the health service,— did put a lot of money into the health service, massively ineneeeei— health service, massively increased the _ health service, massively increased the pay of doctors, ens— increased the pay of doctors, ens in— increased the pay of doctors, gps in particular. but how is net— gps in particular. but how is keir starmer— gps in particular. but how is keir starmer going to deal with the keir starmer going to deal with tne penutetien— keir starmer going to deal with the population explosion? you knew,— the population explosion? you know, we— the population explosion? you know, we have— the population explosion? you know, we have now a population tnet— know, we have now a population tnet nee— know, we have now a population tnet nee iee— know, we have now a population that has risen by— know, we have now a population that has risen by 8— know, we have now a population that has risen by 8 million ee— that has risen by 8 million 200i.— that has risen by 8 million since 2001. we've got these

ente— since 2001. we've got these extra ordinary— since 2001. we've got these extra ordinary figures coming on inuneiev— extra ordinary figures coming on inuneiev eni— extra ordinary figures coming on thursday and we're told next veen— thursday and we're told next veen viii— thursday and we're told next veun viii te— thursday and we're told next year will be the— thursday and we're told next year will be the same and no evidence— year will be the same and no evidence that— year will be the same and no evidence that labour will reduce tnen. — evidence that labour will reduce tnen. nev— evidence that labour will reduce tnen. nev en— evidence that labour will reduce them. how on earth do you invite— them. how on earth do you provide health— them. how on earth do you provide health care with the evieting— provide health care with the evieting uns— provide health care with the existing nhs ,— provide health care with the existing nhs , given the time existing nhs, given the time teete— existing nhs, given the time ieeie et— existing nhs, given the time leads of building new gp euneigee— leads of building new gp surgeries and— leads of building new gp surgeries and hospitals , how on surgeries and hospitals, how on eunn— surgeries and hospitals, how on eenn eun— surgeries and hospitals, how on earth can ordinary— surgeries and hospitals, how on earth can ordinary folk expect neeeenetie— earth can ordinary folk expect reasonable access to a health eenviee— reasonable access to a health eenviee witn— reasonable access to a health service with a— reasonable access to a health service with a population that's going— service with a population that's geing tnneugn— service with a population that's going through the roof ? �*fvw�*wiee going through the roof? well, i think— going through the roof? well, i think tnie— going through the roof? well, i think this is— going through the roof? well, i think this is a— going through the roof? well, i think this is a really good question, and there are two, i think, answers to that. the first is, of course, that if you've got 8 million more people, you've actually potentially got 8 million more people paying tax in this country. that in turn means country. and that in turn means that we've got more money to fund our services quite apart fund our services is quite apart from any tax exemptions on things like non—doms, by which we will bring in more than 3 billion a year by removing that ridiculous anomaly in the tax system enjoyed by a very small privilege few. but the other part of this, which is something that keir talks a lot about, and i'm sure it's something, nigel, that you actually probably would agree that actually this agree on, is that actually this mustn't zero sum game. what

mustn't be a zero sum game. what the uk has got to get back to is talking about how we're actually the uk has got to get back to is talkin t01bout how we're actually the uk has got to get back to is talkin to grow how we're actually the uk has got to get back to is talkinto grow the we're actually the uk has got to get back to is talkin to grow the economy.ually the uk has got to get back to is talkin to grow the economy. where going to grow the economy. where are of growth going are the engines of growth going to the uk taking advantage to be in the uk taking advantage of brexit in the future? now these are again issues which i think if we look at the conservative party, sadly they've squandered in the last few years because what they've been trying doing is to squeeze more and more money out of the lemon . what they've not actually lemon. what they've not actually tried to do is to see how you actually grow more lemons in the garden. one of crucial garden. even one of the crucial things kyiv ambition for things about kyiv ambition for britain is that it's also fuelled by an ambition to grow the economy , not diminish the the economy, not diminish the economy. and 8 million more people can take part in that economy and pay taxes to help fund public services. sadly, so many of the increase- fund public services. sadly, so many of the increase in- i wt t sadly, so many of the increase in people eening— many of the increase in people eening te— many of the increase in people eening te in— many of the increase in people coming to in britain in the last yearn— coming to in britain in the last veen ee— coming to in britain in the last yearn ee nenv— coming to in britain in the last yearn ee nunv et— coming to in britain in the last year, so many of them actually are non—productive, which is teeny,— are non—productive, which is deeplyv deeply— are non—productive, which is deeply, deeply worrying. but i neneet— deeply, deeply worrying. but i nepeet tne— deeply, deeply worrying. but i repeat the question, how on eunn— repeat the question, how on eenn eun— repeat the question, how on eenn veu— repeat the question, how on earth can you plan for future neeitn— earth can you plan for future neeitn eune— earth can you plan for future health care if— earth can you plan for future health care if you don't have a

nunnent— health care if you don't have a number or a target, a limit on tne— number or a target, a limit on tne nunnenet— number or a target, a limit on the numbers coming into the eeuntnve — the numbers coming into the country? well,— the numbers coming into the country? well, i— the numbers coming into the country? �*fvw�*wiee the numbers coming into the country? well, i know you want to talk about migration to the cows. come home. very tempting nunnenet— cows. come home. very tempting nunnenet eni— cows. come home. very tempting numbers and health,— t very tempting numbers and health, that's all knew.— numbers and health, that's all knew. — numbers and health, that's all knew. nut— numbers and health, that's all know. but the— numbers and health, that's all know. but the answer, the answer is if people are coming into this country and they are working, they pay taxes . working, then they pay taxes. and the most important thing to realise here is that we've got to get an nhs, whether it's about those 8 million or the rest of the country, as you are defining it. this united kingdom needs a health service that's fit for purpose and a health service , for example. that service, for example. that leaves 7.5 million people waiting for treatment . a health waiting for treatment. a health service that currently has nearly half a million people waiting more than one year for a treatment that should have been a maximum of 18 weeks. i agree with 300 unnecessary deaths every week with people waiting for emergency care and suicide rates on the increase , with it rates on the increase, with it now being the biggest killer of

young people in the country . now young people in the country. now to have a prime minister, to have keir starmer, hopefully in downing street thinking that address these very important targets and problems is actually arnie the point of being. i tell you what, shaun ' “wig i tell you what, shaun woodward. i tell you what, shaun woodward. i tell veu vnet— you what, shaun woodward. i tell veu vnet i— you what, shaun woodward. i tell veu vnet i teti— you what, shaun woodward. i tell you what i tell you— you what, shaun woodward. i tell you what i tell you what if he's etie— you what i tell you what if he's etie te— you what i tell you what if he's etie te ie— you what i tell you what if he's able to do something to stop euieiie— able to do something to stop suicide, that— able to do something to stop suicide, that would itself be a gneet— suicide, that would itself be a great miracle. _ suicide, that would itself be a great miracle. thank you for ieining— great miracle. thank you for ieining ue— great miracle. thank you for joining us today— great miracle. thank you for joining us today for very eginitei— joining us today for very spirited debate. i would have spirited debate. as i would have expected— spirited debate. as i would have expected woodward. i expected from shaun woodward. i still expected from shaun woodward. i etiii ien-t— expected from shaun woodward. i still don't see— expected from shaun woodward. i still don't see the— expected from shaun woodward. i still don't see the answer to tnet— still don't see the answer to that question,— still don't see the answer to that question, though. if you ien-t— that question, though. if you ien-t it— that question, though. if you ien-t it veu— that question, though. if you don't if you don't, people are eening— don't if you don't, people are eening inte— don't if you don't, people are coming into the— don't if you don't, people are coming into the country in the next—nev- coming into the country in the next-how can- coming into the country in the next- how can you i coming into the country in the. next-how can you plan next few years. how can you plan in next few years. how can you plan inlnenent— next few years. how can you plan inlnenent nnene— next few years. how can you plan in moment more your taxes on in a moment more your taxes on veun— in a moment more your taxes on veun-inie— in a moment more your taxes on veun-inie tine— in a moment more your taxes on your this time you'll be your bills? this time you'll be tuning— your bills? this time you'll be. funding—technology funding experimental technology in nvenegen.— funding experimental technology in nvenegen. att— funding experimental technology in hydrogen. all of that in

anyway, headline is every night from 11 on gb news the people's . well in my view, you've been paying . well in my view, you've been paying far too much for your energy bills for the last 20 years. yes. you've been subsidising_ years. yes. you've been subsidising the- «twi?”s yes. you've been subsidising the onshore and ettenene— subsidising the onshore and

offshore wind— subsidising the onshore and offshore wind energy industry eni— offshore wind energy industry and new— offshore wind energy industry and et— offshore wind energy industry and now of course, there are gneet— and now of course, there are gneet demente— and now of course, there are great demands for cleaner waters and even— great demands for cleaner waters and teven eevvge— great demands for cleaner waters and fewer sewage discharge into our and fewer sewage discharge into eni— and fewer sewage discharge into our rivers and seas, all of vnien— our rivers and seas, all of vnien i— our rivers and seas, all of which i totally— our rivers and seas, all of which i totally agree with. but gueee— which i totally agree with. but gueee vvne— which i totally agree with. but gueee vvne ie— which i totally agree with. but guess who is going to be picking up tne— guess who is going to be picking up tne titte— guess who is going to be picking up the bill? well,— guess who is going to be picking up the bill? well, a report out eut— up the bill? well, a report out eut neeentiv— up the bill? well, a report out out recently suggests that eetueiiv— out recently suggests that actually there's another big ievv— actually there's another big tevv geing— actually there's another big tevv geing en— actually there's another big levy going on your bills and tnie— levy going on your bills and tnie neute— levy going on your bills and this would be— levy going on your bills and this would be to— levy going on your bills and this would be to do with nvenegen.— this would be to do with hydrogen. well jack richardson is hydrogen. well jack richardson ie neut— hydrogen. well jack richardson ie neei et— hydrogen. well jack richardson is head of energy— hydrogen. well jack richardson is head of energy and climate at the is head of energy and climate at tne-tent— is head of energy and climate at the -tank onward- is head of energy and climate at the tank onward hydrogen . the think tank onward hydrogen. jackv_ the think tank onward hydrogen. jacki ee— the think tank onward hydrogen. jacki ee i— the think tank onward hydrogen. jack, as i understand, hydrogen , it ieeen-t— jack, as i understand, hydrogen , it doesn't have— jack, as i understand, hydrogen , it doesn't have the density to be , it doesn't have the density to te ueetui— , it doesn't have the density to te ueetui in— , it doesn't have the density to be useful in applications like , be useful in applications like, for be useful in applications like, ten exempte— be useful in applications like, for example, cars— be useful in applications like, for example, cars or tractors as eni— for example, cars or tractors as and ten— for example, cars or tractors as and ten neme— for example, cars or tractors as and for home use.— for example, cars or tractors as and for home use. it's highly evnieeive— and for home use. it's highly evgteeive . — and for home use. it's highly explosive . well,- and for home use. it's highly explosive . �*fvw�*wiee �*" explosive. well, first of all, thanks very much for having me on. i'll start so last year, the government reacted to the russian invasion of ukraine by basically saying we need to produce a lot more energy in the uk. part of that was us having a new ten gigawatts of hydrogen production by 2030, and hydrogen is actually quite useful for a lot of things, including energy security. it can help get the

security. it can help us get the most of renewables. so most out of renewables. so instead of paying wind farms to switch they produce switch off, they produce hydrogen used. this switch off, they produce hythejen used. this switch off, they produce hythe idea used. this switch off, they produce hythe idea is used. this switch off, they produce hythe idea is that used. this switch off, they produce hythe idea is that theseised. this switch off, they produce hythe idea is that these vast this is the idea is that these vast arrays of offshore wind farms in the north sea send their the north sea will send their electricity in and we'll use that to convert it into hydrogen. yes , i mean, you can hydrogen. yes, i mean, you can tnet— hydrogen. yes, i mean, you can tnet ee— hydrogen. yes, i mean, you can tnet ee e— hydrogen. yes, i mean, you can use that as a as— hydrogen. yes, i mean, you can use that as a as a— hydrogen. yes, i mean, you can use that as a as a gas- wi ig yes, i mean, you can use that as a as a gas and it went— use that as a as a gas and it went nenieee— use that as a as a gas and it won't replace fossil fuel, gas in eti— won't replace fossil fuel, gas in all applications. i t?“ in all applications. but it can definitely be helpful in making our system resilient our energy system more resilient so burn that hydrogen so we can burn that hydrogen later for power. we could use it in industry to make our in our industry to make our industry a bit more competitive, especially that are especially in markets that are placing greenness placing a premium on greenness and also it can help us to displace some of the foreign imports of gas from countries like for it's part of our the government's net zero agenda it is but it's also part of our energy security agenda, a small part of both. but what we said in our report is that the government wants to pay for this, this ten gigawatts of hydrogen production by 2030 through policy levy on through a new policy levy on bills. now, what we're saying is we estimated that will cost

about £118 per year from 2030. let's just slow down. that's it, ine— let's just slow down. that's it, tne e— let's just slow down. that's it, tne e veen— let's just slow down. that's it, tne e veen en— let's just slow down. that's it, £118 a year on every one of your neueeneii— £118 a year on every one of your household bills.— £118 a year on every one of your household bills. how on jack itienenieen— household bills. how on jack richardson despite my scepticism eteut— richardson despite my scepticism eteut ee— richardson despite my scepticism eteut et— richardson despite my scepticism about some of its— richardson despite my scepticism about some of its uses, if it's got— about some of its uses, if it's get uee— about some of its uses, if it's get in— about some of its uses, if it's got uses in industry , why have got uses in industry, why have any— got uses in industry, why have any euteiiv— got uses in industry, why have any euteiev et— got uses in industry, why have any subsidy at all? so it's a iniuetnv— any subsidy at all? so it's a new industry and the government vente— new industry and the government vente te— new industry and the government vente te nunn— new industry and the government wants to ramp it— new industry and the government wants to ramp it up— new industry and the government wants to ramp it up very fast eni— wants to ramp it up very fast and it— wants to ramp it up very fast and it vente— wants to ramp it up very fast and it wants to— wants to ramp it up very fast and it wants to secure our enengv— and it wants to secure our energy supplies and have new sources of domestic energy gneeuetien. — sources of domestic energy production. i— sources of domestic energy production. ”wig“ production. i think that's right and think we definitely and i think we do definitely need but what we're need hydrogen, but what we're saying households won't be saying is households won't be using it reasons you using it for reasons like you said just not it's using it for reasons like you saicvery just not it's using it for reasons like you saicvery economical not it's using it for reasons like you saicvery economical tot it's using it for reasons like you saicvery economical to use; using it for reasons like you saicvery economical to use this not very economical to use this home heating. you can't have a like for like replacement for fossil fuel potentially fossil fuel gas is potentially quite but i it quite dangerous, but i think it can be for can definitely be used for things industrial things like industrial decarbonisation. industry decarbonisation. heavy industry do that in do really want that hydrogen in because it help them avoid because it can help them avoid carbon i think carbon pricing. now i think it is our industry pays is right that our industry pays for its pollution. i think households have been burdened too much already and this idea that ordinary struggling folk in many cases should be handing

money over to rich corporations and their shareholders is, i find, totally and utterly objectionable. but find, totally and utterly objectionable . but the objectionable. but the government - objectionable. but the government set- t but the government set on this course objectionable. but the- government set on this course is it? government set on this course is it teen. — government set on this course is it teen. anu— government set on this course is it? yeah. and again,- government set on this course is it? yeah. and again, i- government set on this course is it? yeah. “wi ?wig? “ wiwiw it? yeah. and again, i do think it's right that we have this ten gigawatts of hydrogen production target. hydrogen is very useful for of things. i don't for a lot of things. i don't think home heating is one of them. but what we said in the report is instead of charging households essentially if i actually i rewind, is the actually if i may rewind, is the government target? but government set this target? but the doesn't want to pay the treasury doesn't want to pay for it. therefore it's going to the treasury doesn't want to pay for iit therefore it's going to the treasury doesn't want to pay for iit on arefore it's going to the treasury doesn't want to pay for iit on everyone'sgoing to the treasury doesn't want to pay for iit on everyone's energy) put it on everyone's energy bills, no matter how rich or how poor you are, you all pay the same depending on much same rate depending on how much energy basically energy you consume. basically actually, to actually, poorer people tend to consume because consume more energy because they're to be they're less likely to be able to their home and make to upgrade their home and make their energy their homes more energy efficient. poor people efficient. so fuel poor people will paying a levy and then will be paying a levy and then also more energy. mean, also using more energy. i mean, recent reports suggesting that for know for the average know semi—detached house up semi—detached house to come up you in you know perhaps built in the 30s whatever it may be to 30s or whatever it may be to come up to speed with where the government wants people to be. could to £15,000 per

could cost up to £15,000 per neueeneii. — could cost up to £15,000 per household. -much- could cost up to £15,000 per household. much of this household. i mean much of this is household. i mean much of this ie teteiiv— household. i mean much of this is totally unrealistic, isn't it ? — is totally unrealistic, isn't it e -tut— is totally unrealistic, isn't it ? -but there's- is totally unrealistic, isn't it ? -but there's also i is totally unrealistic, isn't it. ? -but there's also some ? well, but there's also some households need spend households which only need spend less than grand something. less than a grand or something. i the best way to help i think the best way to help people help themselves to upgrade homes, which is a upgrade their homes, which is a good thing, it means that they'll use less energy, have lower energy warmer, lower energy bills, be warmer, is through tax breaks essentially. maybe a like essentially. so maybe a bit like there's a cycle to work scheme where you pay out of where you can pay monthly out of your or tax free and your pay packet or tax free and finance it over a certain period of do that of time. maybe we can do that for upgrades too. but i for home upgrades too. but i think the important thing why i've come on today is to say that household bills are not the place for at that place to be paying for at that point. because because the beneficiaries— point. because because the beneficiaries-be- beneficiaries won't be households- beneficiaries won't be households be households anyway. it will be neevv— households anyway. it will be neuvv ineuetnv— households anyway. it will be heavy industry .— households anyway. it will be heavy industry . they will use heavy industry. they will use it. i— heavy industry. they will use it. i get— heavy industry. they will use it. i get tne— heavy industry. they will use it. i get the logic— heavy industry. they will use it. i get the logic of that. ateeiuteiv. — it. i get the logic of that. absolutely. and completely. tinni— absolutely. and completely. final thought. _ absolutely. and completely. final thought. net zero is not eenievetie— final thought. net zero is not achievable anyway, is it? \wwiw achievable anyway, is it? no, i tieegnee— achievable anyway, is it? no, i uieegnee. i— achievable anyway, is it? no, i disagree. i think— achievable anyway, is it? no, i disagree. i think it is. and i think britain has a lot going for it. and i think we can reindustrialise the country if we do it right. but i think the hydrogen levy is a is an is an example of it doing wrong thus

far, the pursuit of net zero is de—industrialized in britain as all these manufacturers head off to india china because they to india and china because they couldn't a about net zero. couldn't give a about net zero. so not sure there isn't so i'm not sure there isn't actually. there's lots of things, why things, lots of reasons why we've industry over the we've lost our industry over the decades. think i don't decades. i don't think i don't think don't part of it. think i don't think part of it. i do think electricity prices. i do think you're right there. and we need to get our we do need to get our electricity prices down. part of that moving from that is moving away from a system that's so dominated by the price, which can't the gas price, which we can't control. what control. so i think instead what we do is cut electricity we need to do is cut electricity prices. produced our own prices. if we produced our own gas, could have much cheaper gas, we could have much cheaper energy. at america. energy. just look at america. nut— energy. just look at america. but its— energy. just look at america. but its ven— energy. just look at america. but it's very difficult, actually, to replicate shale actually, to replicate the shale revolution outside of america. china been trying to do china has also been trying to do it, but it hasn't succeeded. there countries poland there are countries like poland and also tried to and romania that also tried to do a lot of shale. it didn't succeed. think that's debate succeed. i think that's a debate that had we need to that we've had and we need to put to side. we're put it to one side. we're running out of oil and gas in the north sea well. so if we the north sea as well. so if we want to have domestic energy production, the only production, really the only way to now is through to do it now is through renewables power. renewables and nuclear power. jack richardson take point

jack richardson i take the point if jack richardson i take the point it-geing— jack richardson i take the point it-geing-ten- if we're going to go for nvenegen— if we're going to go for hydrogen, are- if we're going to go for hydrogen, are the punters at neme— hydrogen, are the punters at home shouldn't— hydrogen, are the punters at home shouldn't be forced to pay yet home shouldn't be forced to pay vet agein— home shouldn't be forced to pay vet again, in— home shouldn't be forced to pay yet again, i'm somewhat more eeentieet—tnel yet again, i'm somewhat more. sceptical—the net sceptical than you about the net zero-because my- zero agenda because my epeiene— zero agenda because my experience of— zero agenda because my experience of all of this is it iuet— experience of all of this is it iuet-eeeting- experience of all of this is it just costing people's just ends up costing people's iete. —teng- just ends up costing people's iete. —ieng tenn jobs. maybe in the long term i neute— jobs. maybe in the long term i vent-veng- jobs. maybe in the long term i would-wrong, but- jobs. maybe in the long term i would wrong, but i'm would proved wrong, but i'm not so would proved wrong, but i'm not ee tete— would proved wrong, but i'm not so sure. let's do— would proved wrong, but i'm not so sure. let's do some what the tange— so sure. let's do some what the farage moments— so sure. let's do some what the farage moments before we go to the farage moments before we go to tne teen.— farage moments before we go to the break. this— farage moments before we go to the break. this is— farage moments before we go to the break. this is pretty extraordinary,- the break. this is pretty extraordinary, it the extraordinary, is it not? the tneetne— extraordinary, is it not? the theatre stratford east and theatre royal stratford east and teet— theatre royal stratford east and tee-putting- theatre royal stratford east andi teet-nutting-ptuv east london is putting on a play on east london is putting on a play en-vutv.— east london is putting on a play en-vutv. ine- east london is putting on a play on-juli1- the play- east london is putting on a play on-juli1- the play isl on the 5th of july. the play is eeiiei— on the 5th of july. the play is called tambo— on the 5th of july. the play is called tambo and— on the 5th of july. the play is called tambo and bones and the engenieene— called tambo and bones and the organisers that— called tambo and bones and the organisers that hosting it, organisers that are hosting it, it's organisers that are hosting it, it-e e— organisers that are hosting it, it-e e ene— organisers that are hosting it, it-e e ett— organisers that are hosting it, it's a one off. want it to be a tieeteut— it's a one off. want it to be a blackout event?— it's a one off. want it to be a blackout event? that's right. a eute— blackout event? that's right. a eete nnivete— blackout event? that's right. a safe private space— blackout event? that's right. a safe private space for all black iientitiei— safe private space for all black identified audiences. i find the vvneie— identified audiences. i find the vvneie tning— identified audiences. i find the whole thing extraordinary . so whole thing extraordinary. so euving— whole thing extraordinary. so euving te— whole thing extraordinary. so we're saying to white people, iteeee— we're saying to white people, iteeee ien-t— we're saying to white people, please don't come along. this may's— please don't come along. this ptev-e eeeignei— please don't come along. this play's designed for black people eniv— play's designed for black people eniv nev— play's designed for black people entv tnev— play's designed for black people only now they won't ban white neenie— only now they won't ban white people tnen — only now they won't ban white people from going along. and given— people from going along. and given tnet— people from going along. and given that these— people from going along. and given that these days people can eeit—iientitv— given that these days people can self—identify as— given that these days people can self—identify as anything they went— self—identify as anything they went te— self—identify as anything they went te te— self—identify as anything they want to be, they— self—identify as anything they want to be, they couldn't peeeittv. — want to be, they couldn't peeeittv. nut— want to be, they couldn't possibly. but isn't it amazing vnet— possibly. but isn't it amazing vnet nuet— possibly. but isn't it amazing what must martin luther king be tninting— what must martin luther king be tninting ee—

what must martin luther king be tninting ee ne— what must martin luther king be thinking as he spins in his gnevee— thinking as he spins in his grave? where— thinking as he spins in his grave? where he said he wanted geenie— grave? where he said he wanted neegte te— grave? where he said he wanted people te te— grave? where he said he wanted people to be judged not by the eeuin— people to be judged not by the eeuin et— people to be judged not by the colour of their— people to be judged not by the colour of their skin? he netenning— colour of their skin? he referring to _ colour of their skin? he referring to his children, but witn— referring to his children, but vvitn tne— referring to his children, but with the content of their eneneeten. — with the content of their character. and - with the content of their character. and now we have unenneii— character. and now we have ugenneie tvpe— character. and now we have apartheid type policies being tneugnt— apartheid type policies being tneugnt in— apartheid type policies being tneugnt in in— apartheid type policies being brought in in east london. i uneniee— brought in in east london. i pneniee veu— brought in in east london. i promise you folks, no good will et— promise you folks, no good will et tnie. — promise you folks, no good will come of this. and— promise you folks, no good will come of this. and what the tange— come of this. and what the farage moment— come of this. and what the farage moment out now, i spoke teet— farage moment out now, i spoke ieet neen— farage moment out now, i spoke ieet vveet .— farage moment out now, i spoke ieet vveet . i— farage moment out now, i spoke last week . i was— farage moment out now, i spoke last week . i was on— farage moment out now, i spoke last week . i was on the bbc last last week. i was on the bbc last week.— last week. i was on the bbc last week. euite— last week. i was on the bbc last week. quite unusual, really, and i week. quite unusual, really, and i eeie— week. quite unusual, really, and i eeie tnet— week. quite unusual, really, and i said that because— week. quite unusual, really, and i said that because of a result of i said that because of a result et vnet— i said that because of a result et vnet tne— i said that because of a result of what the tories— i said that because of a result of what the tories had done, inevit— of what the tories had done, nnevit—eeen- of what the tories had done, brexit-seen to- of what the tories had done, brexit-seen to be| brexit was being seen to be a nine— brexit was being seen to be a teiiune iv— brexit was being seen to be a failure by millions people. failure by millions of people. wett— failure by millions of people. well, yougov_ failure by millions of people. well, yougov produced well, yougov have produced some nette— well, yougov have produced some gene-tne— well, yougov have produced some nette-tne-et- well, yougov have produced some polls -the -of what. polls today on the back of what i polls today on the back of what i eeie— polls today on the back of what i eeie eni— polls today on the back of what i eeie end it— polls today on the back of what i said and it does— polls today on the back of what i said and it does not make very nnettv— i said and it does not make very gnettv needing— i said and it does not make very pretty reading for— i said and it does not make very pretty reading for this government- pretty reading for this government . it says that leave government. it says that leave vetene— government. it says that leave vetene .— government. it says that leave vetene . etie— government. it says that leave voters . 37% think— government. it says that leave voters . 37% think it's been voters. 37% think it's been a bit voters. 37% think it's been a tit et— voters. 37% think it's been a tit et e— voters. 37% think it's been a bit of a failure— voters. 37% think it's been a bit of a failure 35% don't know. entv— bit of a failure 35% don't know. entv zone— bit of a failure 35% don't know. entv zen et— bit of a failure 35% don't know. only 20% of brexit_ bit of a failure 35% don't know. only 20% of brexit voters eunnentiv— only 20% of brexit voters currently consider it to be a success will— currently consider it to be a success will be— currently consider it to be a success will be in no doubt in teneign— success will be in no doubt in teneign petiev— success will be in no doubt in foreign policy it— success will be in no doubt in foreign policy it has been a success. it's— foreign policy it has been a success. it's constitutionally, ite— success. it's constitutionally, it-e teen— success. it's constitutionally, it-e teen e— success. it's constitutionally, it's been a success. we've left eni— it's been a success. we've left end we— it's been a success. we've left end we went— it's been a success. we've left and we won't actually be neieining—

and we won't actually be neieining .— and we won't actually be rejoining . but- and we won't actually be rejoining. but in terms of the neeiietie— rejoining. but in terms of the realistic expectations that we nei— realistic expectations that we net ten— realistic expectations that we had for business— realistic expectations that we had for business regulation and of had for business regulation and et , ten— had for business regulation and of course , for immigration into of course, for immigration into tnie— of course, for immigration into tnie eeuntnv— of course, for immigration into tnie eeuntnv ,— of course, for immigration into this country , we— of course, for immigration into this country , we have been this country, we have been eengtetetv— this country, we have been completely and— this country, we have been completely and utterly failed by the conservative _ completely and utterly failed by the conservative party and i tnint— the conservative party and i tnint tnet— the conservative party and i think that thursday's immigration figures will be the neit— immigration figures will be the neii in— immigration figures will be the neii in tne— immigration figures will be the nail in the coffin— immigration figures will be the nail in the coffin for the relationship— nail in the coffin for the relationship between brexiteers and relationship between brexiteers ene tne — relationship between brexiteers and the conservative party, genieutuniv— and the conservative party, particularly those who voted ienv— particularly those who voted ienv ten— particularly those who voted ienv ten tne — particularly those who voted tory for the first— particularly those who voted tory for the first time ever in egg.— tory for the first time ever in zone in— tory for the first time ever in zone in e— tory for the first time ever in 2019. in a moment, we'll find eut— 2019. in a moment, we'll find eut vnv— 2019. in a moment, we'll find eut vvnv .— 2019. in a moment, we'll find eut vvnv . vvnv— 2019. in a moment, we'll find out why . why drug driving is out why. why drug driving is even more of— out why. why drug driving is even more of a— out why. why drug driving is even more of a problem than tint— even more of a problem than drink driving— even more of a problem than drink driving and— even more of a problem than drink driving and what on earth can drink driving and what on earth ve ie— drink driving and what on earth can we do about—

well the arguments around drink iniving— well the arguments around drink iniving neve— well the arguments around drink driving have been— well the arguments around drink driving have been around for ieeeiee— driving have been around for decades. there— driving have been around for decades. there is absolutely no ieutt— decades. there is absolutely no ieutt tnet— decades. there is absolutely no doubt that following a substantial— doubt that following a substantial intake of alcohol, we substantial intake of alcohol, ve eti— substantial intake of alcohol, we at inve— substantial intake of alcohol, we all drive our— substantial intake of alcohol, we all drive our motor cars in a far we all drive our motor cars in a in men— we all drive our motor cars in a far more dangerous— we all drive our motor cars in a far more dangerous way. even if

we ien-t— far more dangerous way. even if we don't think— far more dangerous way. even if we don't think that ourselves . we don't think that ourselves. neving— we don't think that ourselves. neving eeie— we don't think that ourselves. having said that,— we don't think that ourselves. having said that, i think some of having said that, i think some et tne— having said that, i think some of the excess— having said that, i think some of the excess lviv_ having said that, i think some of the excess lviv drives by nunitene— of the excess lviv drives by nunitene te— of the excess lviv drives by puritans to take— of the excess lviv drives by puritans to take the level to tenn— puritans to take the level to down zero would— puritans to take the level to down zero would probably close evenv— down zero would probably close evenv teet— down zero would probably close evenv tuet put— down zero would probably close every last pub in— down zero would probably close every last pub in the country. nut— every last pub in the country. but tne— every last pub in the country. but the problem— every last pub in the country. but the problem of drink iniving— but the problem of drink driving, we're— but the problem of drink driving, we're told, is now being— driving, we're told, is now being dwarfed— driving, we're told, is now being dwarfed by the problem of inug— being dwarfed by the problem of enug eniving— being dwarfed by the problem of enug eniving .— being dwarfed by the problem of drug driving . but— being dwarfed by the problem of drug driving . but i understand drug driving. but i understand it's drug driving. but i understand it-e nuen— drug driving. but i understand it's much more— drug driving. but i understand it's much more difficult to deal witn— it's much more difficult to deal vvitn .— it's much more difficult to deal vvitn . neit— it's much more difficult to deal with . well, joining me is ian with. well, joining me is ian tevin— with. well, joining me is ian tevin ,— with. well, joining me is ian lewin , managing director of lewin, managing director of eeiee— lewin, managing director of petiee enug— lewin, managing director of police drug test— lewin, managing director of police drug test supplier dtech in vetene.— police drug test supplier dtech in national. now,— police drug test supplier dtech in national. now, ian, i understand— in national. now, ian, i understand that you produce this kit ,— understand that you produce this tit , tne— understand that you produce this kit , the breathalyser. we kit, the breathalyser. we understand— kit, the breathalyser. we understand fully. you blow into it eni— understand fully. you blow into it end tnen— understand fully. you blow into it and then if— understand fully. you blow into it and then if you— understand fully. you blow into it and then if you failed, it's teet— it and then if you failed, it's teen te— it and then if you failed, it's teen te tne— it and then if you failed, it's back to the police station for a need— back to the police station for a tieei teet— back to the police station for a blood test. if— back to the police station for a blood test. if that's confirmed , you— blood test. if that's confirmed , veu tnen— blood test. if that's confirmed , you know you're— blood test. if that's confirmed , you know you're going to get nunnee— , you know you're going to get nunnee .— , you know you're going to get banned . you're— , you know you're going to get banned . you're going to get banned. you're going to get ninet— banned. you're going to get tinei .— banned. you're going to get tinei . ani— banned. you're going to get fined . and actually these days , fined. and actually these days, a fined. and actually these days, etein— fined. and actually these days, etein iegnee— fined. and actually these days, a fair degree of— fined. and actually these days, a fair degree of social egenetniun - a fair degree of social opprobrium that comes with drink iniving. — opprobrium that comes with drink iniving. ite— opprobrium that comes with drink driving. it's not— opprobrium that comes with drink driving. it's not considered to be e— driving. it's not considered to be e ieugn— driving. it's not considered to be a laugh anymore. you're ivnetit— be a laugh anymore. you're ivnetit teete— be a laugh anymore. you're typekit tests for— be a laugh anymore. you're typekit tests for drugs at the neeieiie— typekit tests for drugs at the roadside. can— typekit tests for drugs at the roadside. can it— typekit tests for drugs at the roadside. can it test for all

tinie— roadside. can it test for all tinie et— roadside. can it test for all kinds of illegal— roadside. can it test for all kinds of illegal drug . e: kinds of illegal drug. good evening— kinds of illegal drug. good evening .— kinds of illegal drug. good evening . ine— kinds of illegal drug. good evening . the key- kinds of illegal drug. good evening . the key drugs that it evening. the key drugs that it can test for is cannabis and cocaine. and you'll find in the uk that's probably. cocaine. and you'll find in the uk that's probably . 8,590% of uk that's probably. 8,590% of the drugs that are seen . so the drugs that are seen. so let's say , you know, the “ so let's say , you know, the driver let's say, you know, the driver is let's say, you know, the driver ie teeiie— let's say, you know, the driver is beside the— let's say, you know, the driver is beside the road. he fails , he is beside the road. he fails, he or is beside the road. he fails, he en ene— is beside the road. he fails, he en ene teiie— is beside the road. he fails, he or she fails the— is beside the road. he fails, he or she fails the test. they then neve — or she fails the test. they then neve te — or she fails the test. they then neve te ge — or she fails the test. they then have to go through the same pneeeiune— have to go through the same pneeeeune, ie— have to go through the same procedure, do they not, of going teet— procedure, do they not, of going teen te— procedure, do they not, of going teen te tne— procedure, do they not, of going back to the police _ procedure, do they not, of going back to the police station and neving— back to the police station and neving e— back to the police station and having a blood— back to the police station and having a blood test, but i understand— having a blood test, but i understand that's where things eten— understand that's where things eten te— understand that's where things eten te get— understand that's where things start to get rather difficult . start to get rather difficult. teen— start to get rather difficult. teen — start to get rather difficult. teen tee.— start to get rather difficult. yeah yes, you're- start to get rather difficult. yeah “cit? ”wi tt yeah yes, you're correct. they're the same with alcohol. there is a legislation, section five that says if you're above a limit , then that's the offence limit, then that's the offence for which you will most likely get a 12 month minimum ban . get a 12 month minimum ban. yeah, but the same is in place for the last eight years. for

drugs where if you fail the test at the roadside , then you're at the roadside, then you're arrested, taken back to the station. but in this situation we needed a blood sample and that blood sample takes s takes some time to get yourself to the station where you can extract the blood. we need the health care profession . all we then care profession. all we then need to send the blood off to the laboratory . and this is the laboratory. and this is where the problems occur . and is where the problems occur. and is that because it takes— wiwtt ” and is that because it takes longer to get tneee— that because it takes longer to get those blood— that because it takes longer to get those blood tests back than it neute— get those blood tests back than it veuit ten— get those blood tests back than it would for testing for alcohol in need— it would for testing for alcohol in tieei e — it would for testing for alcohol in blood ? exactly— it would for testing for alcohol in blood ? exactly .- it would for testing for alcohol in blood ? k

the drug situation is the bloods are off to the laboratory. the laboratory is seem to take an inordinate amount of time and that can be in the region of as the report shows, 4 to 5 months, maybe in many cases longer than that. and with our other parts of our legislation, if you are not charged within six months of the offence acas, then it's dropped and you're off scot free. so in effect, if this is iuet— free. so in effect, if this is iuet tee— free. so in effect, if this is just too difficult— �*"”wiwi so in effect, if this is just too difficult for the eeiee— just too difficult for the petiee te — just too difficult for the police to do _ just too difficult for the police to do ,- just too difficult for the police to do , is this does this police to do, is this does this tneee— police to do, is this does this become an issue— police to do, is this does this become an issue to drug driving tnet— become an issue to drug driving tnet tnev— become an issue to drug driving that they effectively start tunning — that they effectively start tunning e— that they effectively start turning a blind to eye very, venv— turning a blind to eye very, venv ,— turning a blind to eye very, venv , venv— turning a blind to eye very, very , very different from that . very, very different from that. gm,— very, very different from that. um. tne— very, very different from that. um, the petite— very, very different from that. um, the police on— very, very different from that. um, the police on the- very, very different from that. um, the police on the roads are are there all the time . they're are there all the time. they're vigilant as to what's going on seeing an impaired driver or

there's an accident that they're attending sorry, a collision and with that they will assess alcohol . all they will assess if alcohol. all they will assess if drugs are part of possible contributory cause. and that's when they bring the breathalyser out or the drug wipe to do the screen. the issues are not with our excellent boys and girls. the thin blue line. they see they're there to make our roads safer. and that's their sole task when they set off on a for a job is shift what they want to do is have that person off the road or they've already shown that they their driving is not to the standard required and they've they've seen that themselves. and they want to have this person removed for 12 months. um, but what's happening is if that was alcohol,

months. um, but what's happening is if that was alcohol , they is if that was alcohol, they they see that happening in in five days, six days, seven days. um if there's a situation where it's going to take 4 or 5, six months, but they've already got them on the alcohol, months, but they've already got them on the alcohol , then they them on the alcohol, then they won't test for drugs. yeah they take them off the road there and then which is , it's not right then which is, it's not right but it's acceptable for all of us. yeah um, just to put this into perspective , um, i think into perspective, um, i think the biggest number i've heard of was from cheshire. and and they had somebody that had been arrested , tested eight times in arrested, tested eight times in the time it took to get the first test. something the first court case, something has to change here. thank you for eening— change here. thank you for eening en— change here. thank you for coming on and— tig “wi”wi thank you for coming on and talking about this nnetien— coming on and talking about this new problem legislation only in ee— new problem legislation only in eeie.— new problem legislation only in since 2015. ian— new problem legislation only in since 2015. ian lewin, thank you venv— since 2015. ian lewin, thank you venv nuen— since 2015. ian lewin, thank you very much indeed— since 2015. ian lewin, thank you very much indeed .— since 2015. ian lewin, thank you very much indeed . i've got time very much indeed. i've got time for very much indeed. i've got time ten e— very much indeed. i've got time ten e eeunie— very much indeed. i've got time ten e eeunte et— very much indeed. i've got time for a couple of quick barrages. ene— for a couple of quick barrages. one comes from _ for a couple of quick barrages. one comes from bill in hull. hi

nigel— one comes from bill in hull. hi uiget. tnn— one comes from bill in hull. hi uiget. inn nit.— one comes from bill in hull. hi nigel, i'm bill. i'd— one comes from bill in hull. hi nigel, i'm bill. i'd like- one comes from bill in hull. hi nigel, i'm bill. i'd like to explain to me what the benefits have been of leaving the eu. from my point of view , all i can from my point of view, all i can see is negative things about trade diversion as opposed to trade diversion as opposed to trade creation. and we've not really had any main new trade deals at all that made any difference to us. so i'd just like to know what the benefits were. and bill, i share that tnuetnetien— were. and bill, i share that frustration on _ and bill, i share that frustration on constitutionally, inevit— frustration on constitutionally, brexitla— frustration on constitutionally, brexit-a success.— frustration on constitutionally, brexit a success. we've left brexit is a success. we've left eni— brexit is a success. we've left uni-te— brexit is a success. we've left ene-tee neiein- brexit is a success. we've left and be rejoin earning and we won't be rejoin earning at and we won't be rejoin earning et tenet— and we won't be rejoin earning et ieeet net— and we won't be rejoin earning at least not anytime soon. in teneign— at least not anytime soon. in foreign affairs.— at least not anytime soon. in foreign affairs. it's been a success. we stand taller on the vent— success. we stand taller on the venti etege— success. we stand taller on the world stage, whether it's the nuns— world stage, whether it's the nuns teet— world stage, whether it's the aukus deal or— world stage, whether it's the aukus deal or leadership in unnene.— aukus deal or leadership in unnene-veu- aukus deal or leadership in ukraine, you believe in ukraine, whether you believe in tnet— ukraine, whether you believe in nu netiev— ukraine, whether you believe in nu petiev en— ukraine, whether you believe in that policy or not,— ukraine, whether you believe in that policy or not, as far as evenvtning— that policy or not, as far as everything else— that policy or not, as far as everything else is concerned, it teete— everything else is concerned, it ieete te— everything else is concerned, it ieete te te— everything else is concerned, it ieete te be e— everything else is concerned, it looks to be a complete and utter teiiune— looks to be a complete and utter teiiune te— looks to be a complete and utter failure to most— looks to be a complete and utter failure to most people who voted for failure to most people who voted ten it— failure to most people who voted ten it eni— failure to most people who voted for it and voted— failure to most people who voted for it and voted conservative for it and voted conservative ten tne— for it and voted conservative for the first— for it and voted conservative for the first time— for it and voted conservative for the first time in their tivee— for the first time in their tivee in— for the first time in their lives in 2019. _ for the first time in their lives in 2019. and what comes tnie— lives in 2019. and what comes tnie inuneiev— lives in 2019. and what comes this thursday is— lives in 2019. and what comes this thursday is going to be a big eneet— this thursday is going to be a big eneet te— this thursday is going to be a big shock to many. i'll discuss tnet— big shock to many. i'll discuss tnet witn— big shock to many. i'll discuss that with jacob— big shock to many. i'll discuss that with jacob in— big shock to many. i'll discuss that with jacob in just a moment . ani— that with jacob in just a moment . ant i-ve— that with jacob in just a moment . ant he get— that with jacob in just a moment . and i've got time— that with jacob in just a moment . and i've got time for chelsea tnen— . and i've got time for chelsea tnen nutt— . and i've got time for chelsea tnen nuii te— . and i've got time for chelsea from hull as well.— . and i've got time for chelsea from hull as well. i am chelsea.

ninet— from hull as well. i am chelsea. vintt veutt— from hull as well. i am chelsea. vintt veutt veu— from hull as well. i am chelsea. what would you do— from hull as well. i am chelsea. what would you do to— from hull as well. i am chelsea. what would you do to improve the child and adult mental health services in england? thank you . services in england? thank you. being chelsea, they have been the being chelsea, they have been tne teen— being chelsea, they have been the poor relation— being chelsea, they have been the poor relation of the nhs for far, the poor relation of the nhs for ten. ten— the poor relation of the nhs for ten. in tee— the poor relation of the nhs for far, far too long— the poor relation of the nhs for far, far too long and the tteeiute— far, far too long and the absolute truth, of course, of eti— absolute truth, of course, of at et— absolute truth, of course, of at et tnie— absolute truth, of course, of all of this is— absolute truth, of course, of all of this is that, you know, tuning— all of this is that, you know, tuning tne— all of this is that, you know, during the pandemic , locking during the pandemic, locking teetie— during the pandemic, locking teette up— during the pandemic, locking teette up .— during the pandemic, locking people up, having during the pandemic, locking people up , having the police put people up, having the police put up tenee— people up, having the police put up tenee te— people up, having the police put up drones to make— people up, having the police put up drones to make sure you vvenent— up drones to make sure you weren't spending too long euteite— weren't spending too long outside your— weren't spending too long outside your house or god forbid . eitting— outside your house or god forbid . eitting en— outside your house or god forbid . eitting en t— outside your house or god forbid , sitting on a park— outside your house or god forbid , sitting on a park bench in the eunenine— , sitting on a park bench in the sunshine. and— , sitting on a park bench in the sunshine. and none of this has tene— sunshine. and none of this has tene tne— sunshine. and none of this has done the mental— sunshine. and none of this has done the mental health of the nttien— done the mental health of the netien env— done the mental health of the nation any good— done the mental health of the nation any good at all as for eeiutiene— nation any good at all as for solutions, chelsea, it is not straightforward _ solutions, chelsea, it is not straightforward . it is not easy. straightforward. it is not easy. we ueet— straightforward. it is not easy. we ueet te— straightforward. it is not easy. we used to incarcerate people in giant— we used to incarcerate people in giant institutions— we used to incarcerate people in giant institutions .— we used to incarcerate people in giant institutions . we decided giant institutions. we decided tntt— giant institutions. we decided tnet vve— giant institutions. we decided tnet tne— giant institutions. we decided that was the wrong thing to do. ant— that was the wrong thing to do. ant ve— that was the wrong thing to do. ant ve nev— that was the wrong thing to do. and we now, with— that was the wrong thing to do. and we now, with those that are neeitv— and we now, with those that are nettiv in— and we now, with those that are really in trouble,— and we now, with those that are really in trouble, will go for etteetiveiv— really in trouble, will go for effectively what's known as care in tne— effectively what's known as care in the community.— effectively what's known as care in the community. that doesn't te— in the community. that doesn't te te— in the community. that doesn't seem to be working either. i ten-t— seem to be working either. i ten-t neve— seem to be working either. i don't have the— seem to be working either. i don't have the full solutions to tnie— don't have the full solutions to tnie etten— don't have the full solutions to this other than— don't have the full solutions to this other than we— don't have the full solutions to this other than we have actually underestimated— this other than we have actually underestimated how important nent— underestimated how important aren't mental— underestimated how important aren't mental health is of that. i aren't mental health is of that. i neve— aren't mental health is of that. i ntve ne— aren't mental health is of that. i have no doubt.— aren't mental health is of that. i have no doubt. i'm joined by

gueet— i have no doubt. i'm joined by vteet iteee-iiegg— i have no doubt. i'm joined by jacob rees—mogg . what a week jacob rees—mogg. what a week this jacob rees—mogg. what a week tnie ie. — jacob rees—mogg. what a week tnie ie. in— jacob rees—mogg. what a week this is. i'm going— jacob rees—mogg. what a week this is. i'm going to put it to you— this is. i'm going to put it to veu .— this is. i'm going to put it to veu . ninet— this is. i'm going to put it to veu . that e— this is. i'm going to put it to you . what a week . this is for you. what a week. this is for tnuet— you. what a week. this is for tnuet in— you. what a week. this is for trust in politics. _ you. what a week. this is for trust in politics. “cit? trust in politics. yes, i think ite— trust in politics. yes, i think it's very important. i'm worried , as you are, about the immigration figures as and i'm worried that we're taking a very treasury led approach that assumes that gdp growth is dependent on more migration . and dependent on more migration. and we saw today some very encouraging figures, people working in the hospitality industry are getting paid more . industry are getting paid more. that's a benefit of brexit. it means the least well—off citizens in this country are earning more because their jobs earning more because theirjobs aren't being taken by mass migration. and this has always been something that people who voted for brexit were expecting. what worries me with these immigration numbers and we don't know, 700,000, a million, you know, 700,000, a million, you know, i mean, just off the charts. but what is extraordinary,- t but what is extraordinary, jacob, is only zone— extraordinary, jacob, is only zone-tnn— extraordinary, jacob, is only 20% that number are work 20% of that number are work tennit— 20% of that number are work tennit . — 20% of that number are work tennit . ite— 20% of that number are work permit . it's quite- 20% of that number are work permit . i wi. t permit. it's quite peculiar. yeah. and the defence of the rest of it is seems to me

ridiculous. the dependents coming with students, the students themselves . i mean, students themselves. i mean, it's one thing to have students coming to world beating institutions , but if the whole institutions, but if the whole aim of all our universities is to fill themselves with students from overseas, you've got to be asking they're really asking what they're really trying do. and the government trying to do. and the government neve— trying to do. and the government nave-tnie.— trying to do. and the government have -this. they've - trying to do. and the government have -this. they've also,i have allowed this. they've also, of have allowed this. they've also, et-netueet— have allowed this. they've also, of reduced economic of course, reduced the economic tnneeneit— of course, reduced the economic threshold-people- of course, reduced the economic threshold people can threshold at which people can eeneline— threshold at which people can eeneline-ie- threshold at which people can come the is, boris come. the truth is, boris venneen— come. the truth is, boris johnson never- come. the truth is, boris johnson never believed in cutting— johnson never believed in cutting immigration, he ? cutting immigration, did he? i think— cutting immigration, did he? i think tene— cutting immigration, did he? i think boris did— cutting immigration, did he? i think boris did want- cutting immigration, did he? i think boris did want to- cutting immigration, did he? think boris did want to cut immigration, actually. think immigration, actually. i think that number of that you've seen a number of factors that have that. i fully support that have had an effect on this. i'm very pleased that the people from hong kong are coming. i'm very pleased that we allowed people from ukraine. but on area, we should on the other area, we should simply a limit on, should simply put a limit on, we should just on. he was the he just put a cap on. he was the he tne— just put a cap on. he was the he tne itine— just put a cap on. he was the he was the prime minister- t.?ii i“ he was the he was the prime minister we you knew.— was the prime minister we you know, basically,— was the prime minister we you know, basically, you can come inte— know, basically, you can come inte-nen — know, basically, you can come into from anywhere into britain from anywhere in the into britain from anywhere in tne-ent— into britain from anywhere in tne-ent en— into britain from anywhere in the and on minimum wage, the world and on minimum wage, vvnien— the world and on minimum wage, etien-ant— the world and on minimum wage, vvnien-ant tne- the world and on minimum wage, which-and the idea- the world and on minimum wage, which and the idea was which is crazy. and the idea was it vve— which is crazy. and the idea was it geing— which is crazy. and the idea was it geing te— which is crazy. and the idea was it was going to be— which is crazy. and the idea was it was going to be skilled vvenenet— it was going to be skilled workers-only- it was going to be skilled workers only come workers should only come into tnie— workers should only come into tnie-it— workers should only come into tnie-it veu— workers should only come into this-if you .going l workers should only come intoi this-if you-going to this country if you are going to nete— this country if you are going to make-positive— this country if you are going to make positive economic make a big positive economic contribution. _ make a big positive economic contribution. i— make a big positive economic contribution. ?wig”wiwi t contribution. i agree, because if people in on the

if you bring people in on the minimum keep constant minimum wage, you keep constant pressure, downward pressure on the for the low skilled the wages for the low skilled jobs, which are the entry level for our own unemployed. the whole thing is mad.- for our own unemployed. the whole thing is mad. are- ” i. i the whole thing is mad. are you tieeueeing— whole thing is mad. are you discussing suella tonight? i'm going— discussing suella tonight? i'm geing te— discussing suella tonight? i'm geing te te— discussing suella tonight? i'm going to be talking about sueiit. — going to be talking about sueiit. ie— going to be talking about suella. is she— going to be talking about suella. is she going to survive? i suella. is she going to survive? intuit— suella. is she going to survive? iveutt neve— suella. is she going to survive? i would have thought— suella. is she going to survive? i would have thought so.- suella. is she going to survive? i would have thought so. i- suella. is she going to survive? i would have thought so. i mean, this seems she really this is such a nonsense story , isn't it? such a nonsense story, isn't it? this is nothing. the story iteett— this is nothing. the story iteeit ie— this is nothing. the story itself is she— this is nothing. the story itself is she did make quite a big itself is she did make quite a tig niettte— itself is she did make quite a big mistake in— itself is she did make quite a big mistake in the past. and i tnint— big mistake in the past. and i tint-eti— big mistake in the past. and i think all acknowledge that think we all acknowledge that ent— think we all acknowledge that ent tnev— think we all acknowledge that and know that— think we all acknowledge that and know that-is- think we all acknowledge that and know that is a nothing and know that this is a nothing etenv—ene- story but story. but she eetutiiv— story but story. but she actually believes in reducing innignetien— actually believes in reducing immigration and having tough tenten— immigration and having tough border controls,— immigration and having tough border controls, whereas the ienv— border controls, whereas the ienv ienv— border controls, whereas the ienv ienv iuet— border controls, whereas the tory party just lie every tory party just lie at every eieetien— tory party just lie at every election to— tory party just lie at every election to the— tory party just lie at every election to the electorate. i tnev-ve— election to the electorate. i mean, they've been so dishonest. gueet— mean, they've been so dishonest. jacob i— mean, they've been so dishonest. veeet i ten-t— mean, they've been so dishonest. jacob i don't think— mean, they've been so dishonest. jacob i don't think i'm giving entv— jacob i don't think i'm giving away-secrets. - jacob i don't think i'm giving away secrets. ' wt?“ jacob i don't think i'm giving away secrets. ' w?“ away any secrets. and i can say i sat in cabinet committees with suella where she was absolutely clear that wants, which is clear that she wants, which is why has which is why why she has to go, which is why she's to stay. no, but it's she's got to stay. no, but it's why— she's got to stay. no, but it's vvnv ene-e— she's got to stay. no, but it's vvnv ene-e get— she's got to stay. no, but it's vvnv ene-e get te— she's got to stay. no, but it's why she's got to go- she's got to stay. no, but it's why she's got to go in- wigwiw no, but it's why she's got to go in this and tnie— why she's got to go in this and tnie teve— why she's got to go in this and this gove dishonest tory party iiet— this gove dishonest tory party iiet tniviti— this gove dishonest tory party lied trivial ,— this gove dishonest tory party lied trivial , lied— this gove dishonest tory party lied trivial , lied to us at lied trivial, lied to us at evenv— lied trivial, lied to us at every election.- lied trivial, lied to us at every election. marvellous since eee, — every election. marvellous since eee, tne — every election. marvellous since 2010, the greatest—

every election. marvellous since 2010, the greatest polling. tete— 2010, the greatest polling. tet-e neve— 2010, the greatest polling. let's have a— 2010, the greatest polling. let's have a look and see if the veetnen— let's have a look and see if the veetnen een— let's have a look and see if the weather can cheer— let's have a look and see if the weather can cheer me up . weather can cheer me up. hello. it's weather can cheer me up. hello. we aittn— weather can cheer me up. hello. it's aidan mcgivern here with your gb news forecast from the met office. clear spells for many of us overnight. a cool night to come, but more warm sunny spells are expected in many locations this week . the many locations this week. the weather set fair with high pressure in charge. that high pressure in charge. that high pressure extending from the west, bringing a breeze in from the atlantic. but over the top of the uk. and for some eastern coast, that means the winds will be travelling over the north sea. that's why it's stayed a bit cooler for some north sea areas and we'll continue to see that breeze overnight . but that breeze overnight. but actually for many it's light winds , low humidities inland and winds, low humidities inland and a lack of cloud will mean temperatures dipping into the single figures. even the low single figures. even the low single figures. even the low single figures in a few sheltered spots in the north. so a bit of a chill in the air. first thing tuesday. but really it won't last long because plenty of sunshine will warm the air up from word go. and we air up from the word go. and we keep sunny spells into the keep those sunny spells into the afternoon. think there'll

afternoon. i think there'll be a bit more cloud at times compared with monday , certainly across with monday, certainly across southern areas . that additional southern areas. that additional cloud will mean that temperatures will be a degree or two lower. 21 celsius is the likely max elsewhere mid to high teens generally. but for scotland and northern ireland, the thickens through the cloud thickens through the afternoon and there'll be a spell light rain and spell of patchy light rain and drizzle crossing northern scotland during the afternoon, pushing shetland by pushing through shetland by evening , a break, then in the evening, a break, then in the cloud the rain. further cloud in the rain. but further light, comes along light, drizzly rain comes along into the far northwest. later on, if you like, showers for northern ireland. southwest scotland on wednesday scotland by dawn on wednesday as well. but clearer skies further south and again under those clear skies and light winds, temperatures dipping into the single figures. so another fresh start for southern and eastern parts of the uk , less so for the parts of the uk, less so for the northwest, where we've got thicker cloud to begin things on wednesday and a weak weather front crossing scotland will bnng front crossing scotland will bring an area of cloud for a time, along with some light, drizzly showers. that clears through plenty more sunshine to

come on thursday and into .

fri day friday hello. good evening. it's me, jacob hello. good evening. it's me, vteet iteee-iiegg— hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on- e: “ “wig it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the uttien. — jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight,— jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight, the prime iiinieten— nation. tonight, the prime iiinieten ie— nation. tonight, the prime minister is deciding the home eeenetenv-e— minister is deciding the home secretary's fate— minister is deciding the home secretary's fate as we speak etten— secretary's fate as we speak etten ene— secretary's fate as we speak after she was— secretary's fate as we speak after she was accused of tneeening— after she was accused of breaching the - after she was accused of breaching the ministerial code over a speeding— breaching the ministerial code over a speeding ticket . i will over a speeding ticket. i will eveiein— over a speeding ticket. i will explain nev— over a speeding ticket. i will explain how a— over a speeding ticket. i will explain how a secretary of state-e— explain how a secretary of state's private _ explain how a secretary of state's private office works and i state's private office works and i viii— state's private office works and i viii te— state's private office works and i will be defending suella braverman from those who are neunting— braverman from those who are neunting nen.— braverman from those who are hounding her. are— braverman from those who are hounding her. are you ready for a hounding her. are you ready for e nttienei— hounding her. are you ready for a national ulez_ hounding her. are you ready for a national ulez ?— hounding her. are you ready for a national ulez ? well, a labour a national ulez? well, a labour gevennnent— a national ulez? well, a labour government could— a national ulez? well, a labour government could do just that etten— government could do just that etten e— government could do just that after a leaked— government could do just that after a leaked policy document nevetiet— after a leaked policy document revealed controversial plans inveiving— revealed controversial plans inveiving e— revealed controversial plans involving a nationwide commitment- involving a nationwide commitment to clean air zones. tnie— commitment to clean air zones. tnie ie— commitment to clean air zones. tnie ie iuet— commitment to clean air zones. this is just another— commitment to clean air zones. this is just another attack on tne— this is just another attack on the motorist,— this is just another attack on

the motorist, which we don't