and a sex offender who . and a sex— offender who murdered a seven year— offender who murdered a seven year em— offender who murdered a seven year old gm— offender who murdered a seven year are grrr ra— offender who murdered a seven year old girl in 1992 has been jarred— year old girl in 1992 has been jailed rer— year old girl in 1992 has been jailed for life— year old girl in 1992 has been jailed for life with a minimum rerm — jailed for life with a minimum rerm er— jailed for life with a minimum rerm er 29— jailed for life with a minimum term of 29 years— jailed for life with a minimum term of 29 years in prison to serve— term of 29 years in prison to serve a— term of 29 years in prison to serve a se— term of 29 years in prison to serve a 55 year— term of 29 years in prison to serve a 55 year old. david boyd rerea— serve a 55 year old. david boyd rarea nikki— serve a 55 year old. david boyd lured nikki allen— serve a 55 year old. david boyd lured nikki allen to a derelict warehouse in— lured nikki allen to a derelict warehouse in sunderland's east end warehouse in sunderland's east are refere— warehouse in sunderland's east are before ree— warehouse in sunderland's east end before he stabbed her. he remained— end before he stabbed her. he remained ar— end before he stabbed her. he remained at large for over 30 years— remained at large for over 30 years arri— remained at large for over 30 years until he— remained at large for over 30 years until he was convicted of the years until he was convicted of re marera— years until he was convicted of the murder earlier— years until he was convicted of the murder earlier this month . the murder earlier this month. remembra— the murder earlier this month. northumbria police first praeeearea— northumbria police first prosecuted the wrong man, george rerea- — prosecuted the wrong man, george rerea- re— prosecuted the wrong man, george rerea- he was— prosecuted the wrong man, george heron. he was declared and erearea— heron. he was declared and cleared after— heron. he was declared and cleared after a— heron. he was declared and cleared after a trial in 1993. nikki-s— cleared after a trial in 1993. nikki's mother,— cleared after a trial in 1993. nikki's mother, sharon henderson,— nikki's mother, sharon henderson, has fought since that mer— henderson, has fought since that mem re— henderson, has fought since that mem re ger— henderson, has fought since that moment to get justice for her magma.— moment to get justice for her daughter. thomas fight. : daughter. thomas fight. i would have— daughter. thomas fight. i would have been— daughter. thomas fight. i would have been satisfied with life . have been satisfied with life. this is seven year old band . this is seven year old band. when's anybody going to attack crimes like this? serious i'm still angry with the police. i

am definitely , definitely am definitely, definitely should. i haven't done the job properly and this is what's happening to families like me over and over again . and it's an over and over again. and it's an injustice . well, in other news injustice. well, in other news today, a former met police officer accused of failing to properly investigate. wayne cousins over incidents- " , d wayne cousins over incidents of maeeem— cousins over incidents of indecent exposure has been found gerry— indecent exposure has been found garrry er— indecent exposure has been found array or grass— indecent exposure has been found guilty of gross misconduct. samamma— guilty of gross misconduct. samantha lee— guilty of gross misconduct. samantha lee was tasked with conducting— samantha lee was tasked with semaaermg am— samantha lee was tasked with conducting an inquiry into the rmeraems— conducting an inquiry into the rmeraems m— conducting an inquiry into the incidents in 2021. _ conducting an inquiry into the incidents in 2021. cousins had exposed— incidents in 2021. cousins had exposed himself— incidents in 2021. cousins had exposed himself to female membes— exposed himself to female members of— exposed himself to female members of staff at a restaurant in members of staff at a restaurant m kem— members of staff at a restaurant m xem basa— members of staff at a restaurant in kent just weeks— members of staff at a restaurant in kent just weeks before he burea— in kent just weeks before he killed sarah— in kent just weeks before he killed sarah everard. well bamamba— killed sarah everard. well samantha lee— killed sarah everard. well samantha lee was found to be absbemesr— samantha lee was found to be absbemesr ,— samantha lee was found to be dishonest, claiming the samantha lee was found to be dishonest , claiming the cctv at dishonest, claiming the cctv at the restaurant— dishonest, claiming the cctv at the restaurant had— dishonest, claiming the cctv at the restaurant had been automatically deleted. bi automatically deleted. there's amy— automatically deleted. there's baby are— automatically deleted. there's only one person— automatically deleted. there's only one person who is responsible for everything that happened, and that is wayne cousins. i have never lied. i don't think it has been a fair investigation from the start. when i was declined. disclosure and legal advice months after the incident, which when my bafic the incident, which when my basic rights for the

investigation when i make it investigation, when i make it clear that nothing more that i could have done would have changed the awful outcome of that day. the panel also found that day. the panel also found that i could not have changed what happened ? samantha lee what happened? samantha lee speaking there. now, cctv berage— speaking there. now, cctv reerage bas— speaking there. now, cctv footage has been- “g bi now, cctv footage has been released that shows— footage has been released that sbews a— footage has been released that shows a police— footage has been released that shows a police van following two beame— shows a police van following two beebbe em — shows a police van following two beebbe am am— shows a police van following two people on an electric bike yesberbay— people on an electric bike yesterday, just— people on an electric bike yesterday, just minutes before a rarab— yesterday, just minutes before a rarab erasb— yesterday, just minutes before a fatal crash that— yesterday, just minutes before a fatal crash that sparked a riot in fatal crash that sparked a riot m caram— fatal crash that sparked a riot m caram .— fatal crash that sparked a riot in cardiff . two— fatal crash that sparked a riot in cardiff . two teenagers who in cardiff. two teenagers who area— in cardiff. two teenagers who area sberrby— in cardiff. two teenagers who died shortly after the chase has been— died shortly after the chase has been named— died shortly after the chase has been named as— died shortly after the chase has been named as kyrie's. died shortly after the chase has been named as kyrie's . sullivan, been named as kyrie's. sullivan, ebe— been named as kyrie's. sullivan, wbe was— been named as kyrie's. sullivan, wbe re,— been named as kyrie's. sullivan, who was 16, and— been named as kyrie's. sullivan, who was 16, and 15— been named as kyrie's. sullivan, who was 16, and 15 year old harvey— who was 16, and 15 year old bamey exams— who was 16, and 15 year old bamey bxams .— who was 16, and 15 year old harvey evans . violent unrest harvey evans. violent unrest renewed— harvey evans. violent unrest renewed m— harvey evans. violent unrest followed in which 15 officers bar-area— followed in which 15 officers were injured ._ followed in which 15 officers were injured . a— followed in which 15 officers were injured . a number of were injured. a number of aressr— were injured. a number of arressr maxe— were injured. a number of arrests have been made and barbe— arrests have been made and babee say— arrests have been made and babee say me— arrests have been made and police say more will follow . police say more will follow. memes— police say more will follow. membs er— police say more will follow. friends of the— police say more will follow. friends of the boys say they riding— friends of the boys say they were riding an— friends of the boys say they were riding an e—scooter without bebmers— were riding an e—scooter without bebmers mmem— were riding an e—scooter without helmets when they— were riding an e—scooter without helmets when they died . german helmets when they died. german aarberbrbes— helmets when they died. german authorities leading— helmets when they died. german authorities leading the madeleine— authorities leading the madeleine mccann investigation say a— madeleine mccann investigation say a major— madeleine mccann investigation say a major search is underway at say a major search is underway ar a— say a major search is underway ar a resemebr— say a major search is underway at a reservoir in— say a major search is underway at a reservoir in portugal today ferromag— at a reservoir in portugal today rebbewma a— at a reservoir in portugal today remember a rm— at a reservoir in portugal today following a tip off. dozens of remagaese—

following a tip off. dozens of portuguese police officers and emer— portuguese police officers and other specialists— portuguese police officers and other specialists are searching an other specialists are searching am so— other specialists are searching an area 30 miles— other specialists are searching an area 30 miles from where the bee— an area 30 miles from where the bee year— an area 30 miles from where the bee year aba— an area 30 miles from where the three year old first— an area 30 miles from where the three year old first went missing-— three year old first went mrssmg. re— three year old first went missing. 16 years ago. and the mam— missing. 16 years ago. and the saspeeb— missing. 16 years ago. and the main suspect, christian brueckner_ main suspect, christian braeemer ,— main suspect, christian brueckner , is- main suspect, christian brueckner , is facing sex brueckner, is facing sex offense.— brueckner, is facing sex offence. charges in germany and m— offence. charges in germany and m permeab— offence. charges in germany and was in portugal around the time rraaebeme— was in portugal around the time madeleine disappeared . and the madeleine disappeared. and the sombrer— madeleine disappeared. and the convicted rolf— madeleine disappeared. and the convicted rolf harris has died at convicted rolf harris has died ar me— convicted rolf harris has died ar be age— convicted rolf harris has died ar be age or— convicted rolf harris has died at the age of 93. _ convicted rolf harris has died at the age of 93. the announced it at the age of 93. the announced b was— at the age of 93. the announced b made— at the age of 93. the announced it was made this— at the age of 93. the announced it was made this afternoon, but his it was made this afternoon, but ms beam— it was made this afternoon, but his death certificate says he area— his death certificate says he area em— his death certificate says he area em me— his death certificate says he died on the 10th _ his death certificate says he died on the 10th of may of neck cancer and of— died on the 10th of may of neck cancer and of old— died on the 10th of may of neck cancer and of old age. the awsrrabam— cancer and of old age. the australian born— cancer and of old age. the australian born artist and farmer— australian born artist and former children's television bresemer— former children's television bresemerwas— former children's television presenter was a _ former children's television presenter was a family favourite for decades— presenter was a family favourite for decades before— presenter was a family favourite for decades before he was eemwerea— for decades before he was convicted of— for decades before he was convicted of 12— for decades before he was convicted of 12 indecent assawbs— convicted of 12 indecent assaults in— convicted of 12 indecent assaults in 2014. downing street has assaults in 2014. downing street bas rer-eerea— assaults in 2014. downing street has rejected accusations made by the has rejected accusations made by me babewr— has rejected accusations made by the labour party— has rejected accusations made by the labour party towards the rrbme — the labour party towards the prime minister— the labour party towards the prime minister of dithering and bebayma— prime minister of dithering and aebaymg as— prime minister of dithering and aebaymg as be— prime minister of dithering and delaying as he continues to answer— delaying as he continues to consider over— delaying as he continues to consider over whether or not to emer— consider over whether or not to order am— consider over whether or not to order an investigation into her home— order an investigation into her home secretary's— order an investigation into her home secretary's conduct at swebba— home secretary's conduct at suella braverman is accused of breaebmg— suella braverman is accused of breaebmg me— suella braverman is accused of breaching the ministerial code by asxma— breaching the ministerial code by asxmg swi—

breaching the ministerial code by asking civil servants to ergamse— by asking civil servants to ergamse a— by asking civil servants to organise a private speed awareness course for her. she mabmams— awareness course for her. she maintains nothing untoward took brace— maintains nothing untoward took bbaee ,— maintains nothing untoward took bbaee , bar— maintains nothing untoward took bbaee , bar me— maintains nothing untoward took place , but the deputy labour place, but the deputy labour bearer— place, but the deputy labour leader angela— place, but the deputy labour leader angela rayner, said today mere— leader angela rayner, said today were are— leader angela rayner, said today there are serious— leader angela rayner, said today there are serious questions to be answered— there are serious questions to be amwerea . — there are serious questions to be answered . as- there are serious questions to be answered . “ be answered. as ministers knows, the home secretary has already admitted to breaching the ministerial code by using personal emails to share sensitive government information . so i ask the minister today how many strikes before she's out . and finally , the duke of out. and finally, the duke of sussex has lost his bid to legally challenge the home office's decision to block him from paying for police protection while he's in the uk. prince harry had wanted to foot the prince harry had wanted to foot rbe bru— prince harry had wanted to foot the bill himself— prince harry had wanted to foot the bill himself after being reba— the bill himself after being bore me— the bill himself after being told he would— the bill himself after being told he would no longer receive the told he would no longer receive be same— told he would no longer receive the same degree— told he would no longer receive the same degree of protection as awerxme— the same degree of protection as a working reyab— the same degree of protection as a working royal when visiting the a working royal when visiting rbe eewmry. — a working royal when visiting the country. the— a working royal when visiting the country. the decision comes aweex— the country. the decision comes aweex aber— the country. the decision comes a week after harry— the country. the decision comes a week after harry and meghan say rbey— a week after harry and meghan say rbey — a week after harry and meghan say they were chased through new verb— say they were chased through new verb ar— say they were chased through new verb ar high— say they were chased through new york at high speed— say they were chased through new york at high speed by paparazzi york at hiin speed by paparazzi york at high speed by paparazzi . me— york at high speed by paparazzi . rbe wome— york at high speed by paparazzi . the home office— york at high speed by paparazzi . the home office says it welcomes the— . the home office says it welcomes the judgement which abbebas— welcomes the judgement which wbbebas me— welcomes the judgement which upholds the integrity of the

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gb news. lots to get into with you tonight. i want to talk property. the state property. should the state be able seize properties? able to seize empty properties? if yours , should you be if it's yours, should you be able to what you want with able to do what you want with it, including leaving empty? it, including leaving it empty? i to talk about the i also want to talk about the situation wales last situation over in wales last night. you see it in the night. did you see it in the streets ? rioting, apparently streets? rioting, apparently because of the death of two teenagers. although i've got to say, i don't actually know why that would make you go out and set fire to your next door neighbour's anyway, why neighbour's car. but anyway, why do we excuse rioting? and i want to the fact that ed to get into the fact that ed davey basically utterly davey is basically been utterly ridiculous lying, if you ask me when he says that. of course, women can have, you know this word by now, don't you? come on now, pack in. it's not true , now, pack it in. it's not true, is it? and it's having serious ramifications . ones out in ramifications. ones out there in the real world, if you ask me, we'll into it. all before we we'll get into it. all before we do as well. very briefly, because this is not on the agenda for tonight, there's agenda for tonight, but there's so people still talking so many people still talking about braverman about it, suella braverman people for her to people still calling for her to be fired . what do you make? be fired. what do you make? i think it's absolutely nonsense.

i don't see any reason or justification— i don't see any reason or justification why she should be brea- — justification why she should be brea- sme— justification why she should be fired. she had— justification why she should be fired. she had a— justification why she should be fired. she had a fine. she she sme— fired. she had a fine. she she sbe reex— fired. she had a fine. she she sbe reek me— fired. she had a fine. she she she took the fine. _ fired. she had a fine. she she she took the fine. she took the wee— she took the fine. she took the bee bombs.— she took the fine. she took the three points. as— she took the fine. she took the three points. as far as i'm sbe— three points. as far as i'm aware. she made an inquiry with the aware. she made an inquiry with me amee— aware. she made an inquiry with me amee re— aware. she made an inquiry with the office to see— aware. she made an inquiry with the office to see if— aware. she made an inquiry with the office to see if it was bassbbbe— the office to see if it was bessrbbe re— the office to see if it was possible to do- the office to see if it was possible to do the online course ama— possible to do the online course are me— possible to do the online course and the information came back ama— and the information came back and saw— and the information came back and saw mar— and the information came back and said that that— and the information came back and said that that it was not bessbbbe— and said that that it was not bessbbbe m— and said that that it was not possible in her— and said that that it was not possible in her case. and so she reex— possible in her case. and so she reek me— possible in her case. and so she took the points.— possible in her case. and so she took the points. i— possible in her case. and so she took the points. i mean, this is a move on from,— took the points. i mean, this is a move on from, you . oh, i think a move on from, you. oh, i think rbey— a move on from, you. oh, i think rbey abb— a move on from, you. oh, i think rbey ab meea— a move on from, you. oh, i think they all need to— a move on from, you. oh, i think they all need to move on, marry— they all need to move on, frankly, that's— they all need to move on, frankly, that's the best they be. — frankly, that's the best they can do. michael— frankly, that's the best they can do. michael i think with the information we available, information we have available, yeah, there probably yeah, i think there probably isn't. i think we probably should move on. yes i think it turns out it depends. i'm wondering is something wondering if there is something more to come out about the extent to she pressured extent to which she pressured them. i don't know. but if what we know is all we will know, we know now is all we will know, then yeah. me it seems a bit then yeah. to me it seems a bit of a look at that everyone. we are starting off with— we are starting off with common sense on both— are starting off with common sense on both sides of the fence — sense on both sides of the fence r— sense on both sides of the fence. i like— sense on both sides of the fence. i like that if you are er— fence. i like that if you are one of those— fence. i like that if you are one of those people that is swu— one of those people that is still-there- one of those people that is still there today saying one of those people that is stillshould there today saying one of those people that is stillshould goere today saying one of those people that is stillshould go getoday saying one of those people that is stillshould go get aiay saying one of those people that is stillshould go get a life.aying one of those people that is stillshould go get a life. come she should go get a life. come on she should go get a life. come em mere— she should go get a life. come on now. there are— she should go get a life. come on now. there are so many more

on how. there are so many more bmberram—rmai important things going on. and by-wu— important things going on. and bv-you sav— important things going on. and by-yew say rs- important things going on. and by-yew say rs me- important things going on. and by you say is the more by the way, you say is the more srwm— by the way, you say is the more srwm re — by the way, you say is the more stuff to come— by the way, you say is the more stuff to come out,— by the way, you say is the more stuff to come out, what i'd like to stuff to come out, what i'd like be same— stuff to come out, what i'd like re awr— stuff to come out, what i'd like re bar by— stuff to come out, what i'd like to come out by the— stuff to come out, what i'd like to come out by the way, is who rbese— to come out by the way, is who are these civil— to come out by the way, is who are these civil servants leaking reme— are these civil servants leaking long—essentially. long conversation essentially wbrb— long conversation essentially. wbrb—meabae with their bosses to the media? wbar-s— with their bosses to the media? wbar-s-abewr- with their bosses to the media? what's about witch what's all that about a witch bam— what's all that about a witch bum brababby— what's all that about a witch hunt probably answer to hunt probably is the answer to mar— hunt probably is the answer to mar anyway,— hunt probably is the answer to that anyway, let's— hunt probably is the answer to that anyway, let's talk wormw— that anyway, let's talk property, we? sadiq that anyway, let's talk- property,-we? sadiq khan. property, shall we? sadiq khan. wes— property, shall we? sadiq khan. we-s-sbeaxme— property, shall we? sadiq khan.l he's-speaking-the he's been speaking out about the mem— he's been speaking out about the amewm-breberry- he's been speaking out about the amount-property in- amount of empty property in bomber.— amount of empty property in london-course,- amount of empty property in london. course, isn't london. of course, this isn't r-wsr— london. of course, this isn't r-wsr-rbme- london. of course, this isn't just thing. empty just a london thing. empty breberrres— just a london thing. empty properties down the properties up and down the swarm— properties up and down the country-what?- properties up and down the country. what? so what if country. and what? so what if you— country. and what? so what if yer — country. and what? so what if yer a— country. and what? so what if you own a property ? should it be you own a property? should it be year— you own a property? should it be your webb— you own a property? should it be your mem re— you own a property? should it be your right to decide what you do wbrb — your right to decide what you do wbrb bre— your right to decide what you do wbrb be br— your right to decide what you do with it? or because— your right to decide what you do with it? or because people are srrweebme— with it? or because people are srrweebme re— with it? or because people are struggling to get— with it? or because people are struggling to get on the housing barber,— struggling to get on the housing barber, ae— struggling to get on the housing barber, as yew— struggling to get on the housing ladder, do you think it should be easber— ladder, do you think it should be easier then— ladder, do you think it should be easier then state to be easier then for the state to come-act, take- be easier then for the state to come-act, take it- be easier then for the state to come act, take it off you come in and act, take it off you if come in and act, take it off you b yew— come in and act, take it off you b you bre— come in and act, take it off you if you like, and— come in and act, take it off you if you like, and give it to someone who— if you like, and give it to someone who needs it? jacqueline webb— someone who needs it? jacqueline web as— someone who needs it? jacqueline web as bar— someone who needs it? jacqueline web as bar as— someone who needs it? jacqueline well, as far as i'm— someone who needs it? jacqueline well, as far as i'm concerned , well, as far as i'm concerned, ama— well, as far as i'm concerned, are rbey— well, as far as i'm concerned, are rbey am— well, as far as i'm concerned, and they can seize— well, as far as i'm concerned, and they can seize your home if mere-s— and they can seize your home if mere-s a— and they can seize your home if mere-s a bar— and they can seize your home if there's a for war— and they can seize your home if there's a for war example, if ye— there's a for war example, if you've obviously— there's a for war example, if you've obviously committed exrremeby— you've obviously committed extremely awful illegal acts, berbabs— extremely awful illegal acts, berbabs brags— extremely awful illegal acts, perhaps drugs or whatever, and rbey— perhaps drugs or whatever, and rbey am— perhaps drugs or whatever, and rbey rake— perhaps drugs or whatever, and they can take your— perhaps drugs or whatever, and they can take your property . they can take your property. bar— they can take your property. but aswe— they can take your property. but aside from _ they can take your property. but aside from that- they can take your property. but aside from that ,- they can take your property. but aside from that , i- they can take your property. but aside from that, i don't believe any government or local authority has the right to just

come in and take your home. i'm not denying that there are . not denying that there are. there will be a number of empty properties around around the country. i think it's a little bit of a side issue on in the sense that what we also know is in london and in some other cities there is a huge amount of subletting in the council house. when you're looking at council houses and council flats, and they never seem to chase this up. you know, we've got a population of 9 million or so in london and we know that subletting is absolutely massive. there are also many council properties across the 83 or 82 boroughs. there are really not fit to live in and i think they should be focusing on making sure that they're up to scratch. when we're looking at homing know, that homing people. so you know, that is that can be debated whether or not it's feasible to go in and take somebody's house. but you'd have to get through a number of legal loopholes. you can't just go in because then, you know, the local authorities would squatters. we're not would be squatters. so we're not necessarily supporting that. don't get started on don't even get me started on sawarrers. —

don't even get me started on squatters. i don't _ don't even get me started on squatters. don't know who squatters. i don't know who beebbe— squatters. i don't know who- beebbe—aerwauy people think they are, actually, wbem—rbar- people think they are, actually, when _that they - people think they are, actually, when that they have when they think that they have semeewb— when they think that they have semebew-eaa- when they think that they have somehow odd right. take somehow got this odd right. take someone else's_ somehow got this odd right. take someone else's property and occupy— someone else's property and may be— someone else's property and may be ob,— someone else's property and occupy it. oh, that one really does— occupy it. oh, that one really eees wme— occupy it. oh, that one really does wind me— occupy it. oh, that one really does wind me up— occupy it. oh, that one really does wind me up anyway. what do you does wind me up anyway. what do yew maxe— does wind me up anyway. what do yew make re— does wind me up anyway. what do yew make re re— does wind me up anyway. what do you make to it, michael? i think it you make to it, michael? i think be wa— you make to it, michael? i think it was squatting. the two things are related. really? i suppose i'd say you've put forward two supposed to the supposed solutions to the housing crisis. one is subletting in council homes. now, big now, i don't know how big a problem this is, but it's not going to solve the supply issue. so problem sadiq khan so the problem that sadiq khan is about is that there's so the problem that sadiq khan is housing about is that there's so the problem that sadiq khan is housing shortagethat there's so the problem that sadiq khan is housing shortage int there's so the problem that sadiq khan ishousing shortage in london. a housing shortage in london. that's myself that's why people like myself are such extortionate are paying such extortionate rents, went up 15% rents, which mine went up 15% last summer. it's not particularly easy being renter particularly easy being a renter in now. not that particularly easy being a renter in expecting now. not that particularly easy being a renter in expecting anyone's)t that particularly easy being a renter in expecting anyone's tears, i'm expecting anyone's tears, but just some for but that's just some context for the conversation. and the the conversation. and so the empty discussion is about empty homes discussion is about how properties empty homes discussion is about how the properties empty homes discussion is about how the market. properties empty homes discussion is about how the market. so roperties empty homes discussion is about how the market. so if)erties empty homes discussion is about how the market. so if someone onto the market. so if someone subletting that's not subletting a property that's not taking off the market taking a property off the market because someone's living because someone's still living in what we need is more in it, what we need is more properties people to live properties for people to live in. and there a problem if in. and there is a problem if you've people look at you've got people with look at affordable council properties will rent. will have an affordable rent. yeah, for building will have an affordable rent. yeah, council for building will have an affordable rent. yeah, council homes,iuilding will have an affordable rent. yeah, council homes, butiing will have an affordable rent. yeah, council homes, but what we

more council homes, but what we need more homes, right? need is, is more homes, right? and we do have problem in and we do have a problem in london who london whereby people who are incredibly so incredibly rich and so inequality growing inequality is growing in society, over the society, especially over the covid of people covid pandemic. lots of people got i think got very rich. and i think that's why there are now more empty homes because people are buying homes as an buying up these homes as an investment because they think that will increase in value that it will increase in value over it's a speculative over time. so it's a speculative asset taking out asset and that's taking it out of the for people who of the market for people who want treat houses as homes. want to treat houses as homes. so i think disincentivizing leaving would be leaving them empty would be perfectly absolutely perfectly reasonable, absolutely different. it's a reasonable berm— different. it's a reasonable bebmr—rbei different. it's a reasonable- bebm—rbe eme point you make. but at the end of point you make. but at the end eblbay— point you make. but at the end er-eay, br— point you make. but at the end of day, if somebody owns the of the day, if somebody owns the pfopeftyr_ of the day, if somebody owns the breberry, mere-s— of the day, if somebody owns the property, there's-be- property, there's got to be a wearer— property, there's got to be a breber regar— property, there's got to be a proper legal route by which they webbe— proper legal route by which they would-cannot- proper legal route by which they would cannot allow would say you cannot allow gewemmem— would say you cannot allow government and— would say you cannot allow government and councils to just government and councils to just ee—bewsel go and decide to buy a house bease— go and decide to buy a house because—livingj because nobody's been living mere.— because nobody's been living mere-yew-re- because nobody's been living there. you're talking there. i mean, you're talking aberr— there. i mean, you're talking abewr-rbey- there. i mean, you're talking about they reckon about 30,000. they reckon mere-s— about 30,000. they reckon there's 30,000— about 30,000. they reckon there's 30,000 empty properties mar— there's 30,000 empty properties rbar rabb— there's 30,000 empty properties that fall-this— there's 30,000 empty properties that fall this category. that fall into this category. we-we— that fall into this category. we've - populate - that fall into this category. we've populate one of 9 we've got to populate one of 9 mbbbem — we've got to populate one of 9 mbbbem se— we've got to populate one of 9 mbbbem be r— we've got to populate one of 9 million. so i you— we've got to populate one of 9 million. so i you know, i mean, rbbs— million. so i you know, i mean, we bs— million. so i you know, i mean, we rs re— million. so i you know, i mean, we rs be me— million. so i you know, i mean, this is to me a— million. so i you know, i mean, this is to me a bit— million. so i you know, i mean, this is to me a bit more like eesrwre— this is to me a bit more like gesture politics.— this is to me a bit more like gesture politics. so if we rareer— gesture politics. so if we target those, _ gesture politics. so if we target those, if we can get rbese— target those, if we can get. those _ because those empty homes because a mbe— those empty homes because a be er— those empty homes because a number of rich— those empty homes because a number of rich people live in mem,— number of rich people live in mem, r— number of rich people live in them, i mean,— number of rich people live in them, i mean, london was exemsbbwe— them, i mean, london was expensive when- them, i mean, london was expensive when i moved down

bere— expensive when i moved down bere, be— expensive when i moved down bere, be eae— expensive when i moved down here, 40 odd years ago. well, br-s— here, 40 odd years ago. well, we a— here, 40 odd years ago. well, we ame-re— here, 40 odd years ago. well, it's a more expensive now. it's a lot more expensive now. i sewer-r— it's a lot more expensive now. i seabem-r-bwe- it's a lot more expensive now. i couldn't-live in- couldn't afford to live in eemrab— couldn't afford to live in central london, so i lived earsbee— central london, so i lived outside like _ central london, so i lived outside like everybody else. so, you— outside like everybody else. so, yew-aways- outside like everybody else. so, yew-abways going- outside like everybody else. so, you always going to you know, it's always going to belexbemswe— you know, it's always going to be expensive course be an expensive city. of course it be an expensive city. of course br—ebrbes. — be an expensive city. of course br—ebrbes. - be an expensive city. of course br—ebrbes. x- be an expensive city. of course it-cities. a.ofl it is. capital cities. a lot of ms.— it is. capital cities. a lot of rbbs. by— it is. capital cities. a lot of this, by the way, is, if you ask me, virtue signalling, because one of the other measures that sadiq is looking at is sadiq khan is looking at is basically got basically saying, if you've got this empty property, it's been a long term empty. let's look at perhaps your council perhaps increasing your council tax exponentially. looking at some examples some of these examples of these properties of is properties. one of them is a four bedroomed property, two reception in knightsbridge reception areas in knightsbridge conservation area . get this conservation area. get this everyone, this will make your eyes water. it's estimated to have potential value of 1.7 have a potential value of 1.7 billion. yes, you heard me correctly with the br not a br billion. now if you if sadiq khan goes in what i would call steal that property because it's not yours . thank you very much. not yours. thank you very much. it doesn't belong to the state. so if you steal that property, you're going to help you're not going to help a random person get on the housing ladden random person get on the housing ladder. you're not going to put them property. them in a £1.7 billion property. i me, it's just i mean, to me, it's just ridiculous. virtue signalling bashing of the rich because

actually better actually you've got no better policies with. well, policies to come up with. well, i think , first all, policies to come up with. well, i think , first-all, let's- i think, first of all, let's r-wsr— i think, first of all, let's iwsr be— i think, first of all, let's just be _that- i think, first of all, let's just be that house i think, first of all, let's- just be _that house prices just be clear that house prices ame— just be clear that house prices ame-eesr— just be clear that house prices ame-eesr er— just be clear that house prices and-cost of rent- just be clear that house prices and cost of rent has and the cost of rent has dramatically— and the cost of rent has dramatically gone in and the cost of rent has- dramatically gone-in london. dramatically gone up in london. so dramatically gone up in london. se-r-m— dramatically gone up in london. se-r-m trem— dramatically gone up in london. so- i'm from .waltham i so where i'm from in waltham forest, to be the case, forest, it used to be the case, i think in 1997 that to buy a house would you'd need to save i think in 1997 that to buy a hotfor would you'd need to save i think in 1997 that to buy a hotfor five ld you'd need to save i think in 1997 that to buy a hotfor five years. d need to save i think in 1997 that to buy a hotfor five years. nowzd to save i think in 1997 that to buy a hotfor five years. now it's) save i think in 1997 that to buy a hotfor five years. now it's 15 ave up for five years. now it's 15 years. so it is very, very difficult to buy a house in london. it's very, very insecure to privately in london. to rent privately in london. so i should recognise i think we should recognise there serious problem. and there is a serious problem. and i would it's a bit i would actually say it's a bit breaeer— i would actually say it's a bit broader than— i would actually say it's a bit broader than just— i would actually say it's a bit broader than just london because a ber— broader than just london because a be er— broader than just london because a er er beebbe— broader than just london because a lot of people in— broader than just london because a lot of people in london will warm— a lot of people in london will warm-say,— a lot of people in london will warm-say-my- a lot of people in london will watch say, my rent's watch this say, well, my rent's gene— watch this say, well, my rent's gene-ame— watch this say, well, my rent's gene-ame r— watch this say, well, my rent's gone-and i can't- watch this say, well, my rent's gone and i can't get on gone up and i can't get on ember.— gone up and i can't get on ebrber. se— gone up and i can't get on either. so this— gone up and i can't get on either. so this is- gone up and i can't get on either. so this is broader than r-wsr— either. so this is broader than r-wsrlbemeem— either. so this is broader than just london thing. “43?" either. so this is broader than just london thing. / just a london thing. yeah, i'm amy— just a london thing. yeah, i'm emby saying— just a london thing. yeah, i'm only saying london because it's a khan story. think this a sadiq khan story. i think this would pretty much to all would apply pretty much to all the big cities in the uk. now, would apply pretty much to all the question in the uk. now, would apply pretty much to all the question of the uk. now, would apply pretty much to all the question of would (. now, the question of would requisitioning houses requisitioning these houses and filling with people be a filling them up with people be a solution to the housing crisis? not you not really, no. i agree with you on also think one's on that. i also think no one's really proposing doing this outside people are outside of the law. people are talking about changing the law. what about what this is about is disincentivize people from buying up property and leaving it on it as an

it empty to sit on it as an asset. right. if we can say, asset. right. so if we can say, look, should only buy look, you should only buy a property if you're property in london if you're going live in it and you're going to live in it and you're going to live in it and you're going live in it properly, going to live in it properly, then that will up a bit then that will free up a bit more housing. now obviously the reason are so high in reason rents are so high in london at the moment because london at the moment is because we enough homes. we haven't built enough homes. the increased we haven't built enough homes. tifaster increased we haven't built enough homes. tifaster degree increased we haven't built enough homes. tifaster degree than ncreased we haven't built enough homes. tifaster degree than homes,d we haven't built enough homes. tifaster degree than homes, but a faster degree than homes, but this will bazillionaire. then you're going to-right,l you're going to say, right, memb—bwyi you're going to say, right,- michel, _buy this michel, you can only buy this bease— michel, you can only buy this. bease—m house if you're going to live in beas— house if you're going to live in beas-ream— house if you're going to live in acas-yeah,lam.- house if you're going to live in acas yeah, am. i'm going acas say, yeah, i am. i'm going to acas say, yeah, i am. i'm going be bye— acas say, yeah, i am. i'm going be me be— acas say, yeah, i am. i'm going be me m b.— acas say, yeah, i am. i'm going to live in it. what— acas say, yeah, i am. i'm going to live in it. what are you going— to live in it. what are you aerme—rewmei to live in it. what are you. eebme—rewme my to live in it. what are you- going_round my house going to do? come round my house every— going to do? come round my house every weekend— going to do? come round my house every weekend _that- going to do? come round my house every weekend that i'm every weekend and check that i'm me — every weekend and check that i'm me -a— every weekend and check that i'm me -a ber— every weekend and check that i'm me -a bar er— every weekend and check that i'm in? _a lot of people- every weekend and check that i'm in? _a lot of people do. in? well, so a lot of people do that already, right? so this 30,000 looking here that already, right? so this 30,0 be looking here that already, right? so this 30,0be actuallyoking here that already, right? so this 30,0 be actually the g here that already, right? so this 30,0 be actually the minoritye that already, right? so this 30,0 be actually the minority of will be actually the minority of under—occupied homes, which are officially is so officially empty. so there is so rbey-we— officially empty. so there is so rbey-we-rbe— officially empty. so there is so they've .the time- officially empty. so there is so they've .the time then - rt. ri so there is so they've the time then to go they've got the time then to go ame— they've got the time then to go ame-br— they've got the time then to go ame-br-bersem- they've got the time then to go and - if. person lives. and check if this person lives in and check if this person lives m-bewse. — and check if this person lives in-house. but— and check if this person lives in house. but they don't in this house. but they don't maxe— in this house. but they don't. have—authorities have time. the local authorities to have time. the local authorities re 90— have time. the local authorities re 90 ame— have time. the local authorities to go and check— have time. the local authorities to go and check council to go and check when council breberrbes— to go and check when council properties-sublet. properties are being sublet. wear— mean extortionate. no, hang on. me— and there's an awful lot. mere-b— and there's an awful lot. there'll be— and there's an awful lot. there'll be more than 30,000 across london.— there'll be more than 30,000 across london. believe me. there'll be more than 30,000 acro it'sondon. believe me. there'll be more than 30,000 acro it's gonei. believe me. there'll be more than 30,000 acro it's gonei. belieyears me. there'll be more than 30,000 acro it's gonei. belieyears butz. and it's gone on for years but mebeey— and it's gone on for years but. mebeey—eees nobody goes round nobody goes reame—wbe-s- nobody goes round nobody goes round _who's on - nobody goes round nobody goes round who's on the round and checks who's on the em— round and checks who's on the rem-we— round and checks who's on the rem-we mew— round and checks who's on the rent-we know that- round and checks who's on the rent we know that there rent book. we know that there is, rent book. we know that there isr_bei“9| is, you know, millions being made— is, you know, millions being made subletting made out of subletting property across london. ipsis local awrberbry— across london. ipsis local-

awrberbry—rbey authority owned property. they dew-r— authority owned property. they seem meek— authority owned property. they don't check it. _ authority owned property. they don't check it. i— authority owned property. they don't check it. e “ don't check it. i live in a council home, but i rent it, but i from a private i rent it from a private landlord, which to me seems pretty when comes pretty similar when it comes to if want council stock if you if you want council stock to for tenants, you to be for council tenants, you should upset. there to be for council tenants, you sho a d upset. there to be for council tenants, you shoa bunch upset. there to be for council tenants, you shoa bunch of upset. there to be for council tenants, you shoa bunch of councilet. there to be for council tenants, you shoa bunch of council homese are a bunch of council homes that got to private that got sold to a private landlord being rented landlord and now being rented for an extortionate profit, making statement. there isn't making a statement. there isn't a answer making a statement. there isn't a-amswerer-r- making a statement. there isn't a-answer-for-asl a single answer and for this, as i a single answer and for this, as r—bebrbexme- i said, gesture politicking that same— i said, gesture politicking that sabre-deme- i said, gesture politicking that sadiq doing. why is this sadiq khan's doing. why is this just sadiq khan's doing. why is this r-wsr—bsl just depositing in your one is it just depositing in your one is br-a— just depositing in your one is it-a ridiculous— just depositing in your one is it a ridiculous that 30,000 it it's a ridiculous that 30,000 empty—going- it it's a ridiculous that 30,000 empty—going t0. it it's a ridiculous that 30,000. empty—going to make empty houses are going to make a reference— empty houses are going to make a emeremee—m- difference to people living in bemeem— difference to people living in london-make— difference to people living in london make difference to london and make a difference to the london and make a difference to rbe-rbey— london and make a difference to rbe-rbey-er- london and make a difference to the _they-or the l the rents that they pay or the merrgaees— the rents that they pay or the merbeages mar— the rents that they pay or the mortgages that they will mortgages that they pay. it will make— make no difference. but you mmb— make no difference. but you- think—subletting think stopping people subletting wars— think stopping people subletting rbars bs— think stopping people subletting rbars rs going— think stopping people subletting flats is going to— think stopping people subletting flats is going to make all the difference?— flats is going to make all the difference? subletting difference? well, subletting is wbem— difference? well, subletting is wbem-beeab— difference? well, subletting is when local authorities when the local authorities and i mew—er- when the local authorities and i know—of coursei know what it means. of course you— know what it means. of course yew-whar— know what it means. of course yew-wbar br— know what it means. of course you-what it means.- know what it means. of course you what it means. the you know what it means. the seamen— you know what it means. the eewmebb rax— you know what it means. the council tax payers pay the semen— council tax payers pay the council understand council tax payers pay the- council-understand that council and we understand that wbem— council and we understand that wbem we— council and we understand that wbem we bay— council and we understand that wbem we pay ew— council and we understand that when we pay our council tax and all when we pay our council tax and ab er— when we pay our council tax and ab er me— when we pay our council tax and all of the things— when we pay our council tax and all of the things that we do, mar— all of the things that we do, bar a— all of the things that we do, that a proportion all of the things that we do,- that a proportion-that that a proportion of monies that the that a proportion of monies that me seamen— that a proportion of monies that the council-spend- that a proportion of monies that the council spend will be the council will spend will be on the council will spend will be em building— the council will spend will be on building programmes, rents the council will spend will be oon uilding programmes, rents the council will spend will be oon doing] programmes, rents the council will spend will be oon doing it.rogrammes, rents the council will spend will be oon doing it. weammes, rents the council will spend will be oon doing it. we know s, rents the council will spend will be oon doing it. we know that rents the council will spend will be oon doing it. we know that even; , on doing it. we know that even if , on doing it. we know that even b we— , on doing it. we know that even b we dew-r— , on doing it. we know that even if we don't live— , on doing it. we know that even if we don't live in— , on doing it. we know that even if we don't live in a— , on doing it. we know that even if we don't live in a council flar— if we don't live in a council bar—bease- flat or a council house ourselves, that flat or a council house- ourselves, that-complete ourselves, that is a complete emerem— ourselves, that is a complete different completely ourselves, that is a complete different concept mpletely ourselves, that is a complete different concept .ipletely ourselves, that is a complete different concept . and ely

ourselves, that is a complete different concept . and so different concept. and so rbererere— different concept. and so therefore the _ different concept. and so therefore the local council will bawe — therefore the local council will bawe maxe— therefore the local council will have have the— therefore the local council will have have the need to ensure mar— have have the need to ensure rbar wbem— have have the need to ensure that when they— have have the need to ensure that when they give out these seamen— that when they give out these council houses— that when they give out these council houses or— that when they give out these council houses or council flats , mar— council houses or council flats , rbar me— council houses or council flats , that the people— council houses or council flats , that the people that they were let , that the people that they were re re — , that the people that they were re re me— , that the people that they were let to are the people that are bwme— let to are the people that are mm m— let to are the people that are living in them. _ let to are the people that are living in them. b living in them. so i think your argument would be i think your argument would be i think your argument would be a bit stronger if you came here with a number. i've how big i've got no idea how big a problem because you problem this is because you haven't here with a number. haven't come here with a number. we that are 30, we can see that there are 30, that there's been you're that there's been a you're the one forward this one bringing forward this argument. should come with a little bit of data back it little bit of data to back it up. any case, i've spoken up. but in any case, i've spoken to were high up in to people who were high up in for but i've spoken for many, but i've spoken to people high in london people very high up in london councils who are in control of housing. the they housing. they say the issue they have don't have have is that they don't have enough council homes to rent out. there are too many out. not that there are too many people subletting in london in 1992. and was 1992. and the problem was babbemme— 1992. and the problem was happening then. _ happening then. i was a parliamentary candidate and ye-re— parliamentary candidate and . yew-re—ame you're going back 30 years and it's you're going back 30 years and be my— you're going back 30 years and res emby eer— you're going back 30 years and it's only got worse. ririr it's only got worse. how do you mew— it's only got worse. how do you know that? what's your evidence? because i parliamentary because i was a parliamentary eamebeare— because i was a parliamentary candidate—1992.- because i was a parliamentary candidate 1992. how candidate in 1992. in 1992. how do candidate in 1992. in 1992. how ee—werseel candidate in 1992. in 1992. howl ee—wersee ame do you know it's got worse? and bease— do you know it's got worse? and because-rer— do you know it's got worse? and because-rer a— do you know it's got worse? and because _for a fact - do you know it's got worse? and because for a fact that because i know for a fact that bs— because i know for a fact that be eer— because i know for a fact that rr-s eer — because i know for a fact that it's got worse. how? because i

do it's got worse. how? because i be my— it's got worse. how? because i do my homework. _ it's got worse. how? because i do my homework. but was it yearse—eml yours? when you come on, then you— yours? when you come on, then yew—wbem- yours? when you come on, then yew—wbem yewi yours? when you come on, then. yew—wbem yew 90 you can when you go when you go to you can when you go when you go re-b— you can when you go when you go re-b yew— you can when you go when you go re-b yewlyew— you can when you go when you go re-b yewlyew yew- to school, if you if you you sam-r— to school, if you if you you can't normally— to school, if you if you you can't normally just say, i've deme— can't normally just say, i've eeme my— can't normally just say, i've done my homework. /rir. done my homework. you normally maxe— done my homework. you normally have show homework. so have to show your homework. so i'm your i'm asking you to show your working i'm wrong i'm asking you to show your working this i'm wrong i'm asking you to show your working this is i'm wrong i'm asking you to show your working this is a i'm wrong i'm asking you to show your working this is a sensitivevrong because this is a sensitive issue. hope that i'm not issue. so i hope that i'm not were— issue. so i hope that i'm not were bar— issue. so i hope that i'm not wrong. but wasn't— so i hope that i'm not wrong. but wasn't there an issue wrm— wrong. but wasn't there an issue with—situation- wrong. but wasn't there an issue with situation when with the grenfell situation when rbey—re— with the grenfell situation when rbey—re eer- with the grenfell situation when rbey—re eer me- they were trying to get the beam — they were trying to get the beam reu— they were trying to get the death toll at— they were trying to get the death toll at the end of that membe— death toll at the end of that horrific situation? it was mereebbby— incredibly hard to figure out wbe-e—breberryi incredibly hard to figure out. who'd—property and who'd been in the property and wbe—a- who'd been in the property andi wbe—a-rbe who hadn't because a lot of the not who hadn't because a lot of the rer-bar— who hadn't because a lot of the rer-bar many— who hadn't because a lot of the not-but many of- who hadn't because a lot of the not but many of the not a lot, but many of the beebbe— not a lot, but many of the beebbe-were- not a lot, but many of the people were perhaps being people there were perhaps being sabberree— people there were perhaps being sabberree re. — people there were perhaps being subletted to. .some- people there were perhaps being subletted to. some of the subletted to. so some of the reeerse— subletted to. so some of the records-tallying- subletted to. so some of the records tallying up. so records weren't tallying up. so it records weren't tallying up. so br—re-rbel it was quite hard to get the mar— it was quite hard to get the mmb-ame- it was quite hard to get the final and things of it was quite hard to get the- final-and things of who final numbers and things of who area. — final numbers and things of who died. _because- final numbers and things of who| died. _because-was died. i think because there was i there a big i remember there being a big discussion straight after the fire people thought they fire that people thought they hadnt fire that people thought they hadn't number right. it hadn't got the number right. it did they had did turn out that they had got the did turn out that they had got rbe-a— did turn out that they had got rbe-a big- did turn out that they had gotj rbe-a big-who the there was a big issue who baa— the there was a big issue who baa bassee— the there was a big issue who had passed-right.- the there was a big issue who. had passed-right. there had passed away. right. there was huge issue over that. and was a huge issue over that. and the subletting it very, was a huge issue over that. and the sdifficultg it very, was a huge issue over that. and the sdifficult for it very, was a huge issue over that. and the sdifficult for the it very, very difficult for the authorities check who lived authorities to check who lived there. if your lesson there. i think if your lesson from if your from i think if your if your lesson from grenfell is that too many people are subletting their flats we have flats and not that we have a system we plastered system whereby we plastered a tower block with flammable

cladding , then i think you're cladding, then i think you're probably lacking some perspective. no, no, no, no. perspective. no, no, no, no, no. ware— perspective. no, no, no, no, no. ware-beeawse— hang on. because don't misrepresent- hang on. because don't misrepresent with misrepresent things. anyone with ayee— misrepresent things. anyone with aye wrm— misrepresent things. anyone with anyone with single cell anyone with a single brain cell wru— anyone with a single brain cell wbbb be— anyone with a single brain cell wrbb be eeebby— anyone with a single brain cell will be deeply concerned by the faer— will be deeply concerned by the be mar— will be deeply concerned by the be bar a— will be deeply concerned by the fact that a high— will be deeply concerned by the fact that a high rise property wear— fact that a high rise property wem wb— fact that a high rise property wem ab m— fact that a high rise property went up in flames because of ebaeeme— went up in flames because of ebaeeme .— went up in flames because of ebaeemg . every— went up in flames because of cladding . every single person in cladding. every single person in the cladding. every single person in me bamb— cladding. every single person in the land would— cladding. every single person in the land would have been should swu— the land would have been should srbbb be— the land would have been should still be concerned— the land would have been should still be concerned because that bsswe— still be concerned because that bs— still be concerned because that rs mer— still be concerned because that issue is not fixed.— still be concerned because that issue is not fixed. i— still be concerned because that issue is not fixed. i would argue— issue is not fixed. i would gue by— issue is not fixed. i would gue by me— issue is not fixed. i would argue, by the way, that to me is ewe-rrageebes— argue, by the way, that to me is one _tragedieslour- one of the tragedies in our seebery— one of the tragedies in our seerery mar— one of the tragedies in our society that i— one of the tragedies in our society that i argue that society that i would argue that swu— society that i would argue that srbu-bssue— society that i would argue that still issue perhaps hasn't still the issue perhaps hasn't been— still the issue perhaps hasn't been-seriously- still the issue perhaps hasn't been seriously as as much been taken seriously as as much as br— been taken seriously as as much as b sbeube— been taken seriously as as much as it should-been- been taken seriously as as much as it should been in terms as it should have been in terms of as it should have been in terms er—ereerera.- as it should have been in terms of_etcetera. so. as it should have been in terms of conflate etcetera. so as it should have been in terms of conflate the :cetera. so as it should have been in terms of conflate the two. 'a. so as it should have been in terms of conflate the two. nobody's don't conflate the two. nobody's sbrrmg— don't conflate the two. nobody's sbrrmg bere— don't conflate the two. nobody's sitting here. certainly not sitting here. i'm certainly not sbrrmg—merei sitting here saying i'm more concerned-the- sitting here saying i'm more concerned the fact that concerned about the fact that mere— concerned about the fact that were was— concerned about the fact that were a— concerned about the fact that there was a sublet than there mar— there was a sublet than there was that people _ there was a sublet than there was that people perished in a me.— was that people perished in a rue-_wbar- was that people perished in a. fire.-what-saying fire. that's not what i'm saying at fire. that's not what i'm saying ar—am- fire. that's not what i'm saying ar—am .. - fire. that's not what i'm saying ar—am .. sel fire. that's not what i'm sayingi ar—am .. se ue at all, and neither am i. so do web.— at all, and neither am i. so do web. bur— at all, and neither am i. so do web. bub we— at all, and neither am i. so do not. but we can— at all, and neither am i. so do not. but we can have a good look. we can have a decent debate tonight about number of debate tonight about a number of different just be different things. just be careful where you put bar. careful where you put the bar. so saying is that so the point i'm saying is that mere— so the point i'm saying is that rberela— so the point i'm saying is that there-a housing— so the point i'm saying is that there a housing in there is a housing crisis in bemeem— there is a housing crisis in bemeem ame— there is a housing crisis in london. and what we need to be ebear— london. and what we need to be gear-bs— london. and what we need to be ebear-bs eu— london. and what we need to be clear is our priorities. clear about is our priorities. now:— clear about is our priorities. wew. eu— clear about is our priorities. now, our priorities for me sbeube— should be bringing more breberrres— should be bringing more brrembes— should be bringing more pr< rent and— should be bringing more

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very— proper forward planning, we are very eababbe— proper forward planning, we are very eababbe as— proper forward planning, we are very capable as a— proper forward planning, we are very capable as a country of bubbemg— very capable as a country of- bubbemg—rbam building a lot more houses than we are many european we do. there are many european ereumbes— we do. there are many european countries-build- we do. there are many european countries-build a- we do. there are many european countries build a lot countries that do build a lot mere—eel countries that do build a loti meee—e ber more houses than we do per sabba— more houses than we do per eabrra. bew— more houses than we do per capita. now, there are many bemerbrs— capita. now, there are many benefits immigration. benefits to immigration. my argumem— argument would be let's eebebrare— argument would be let's celebrate that- argument would be let's celebrate that and build enough beuses — houses. other people will have a emerem— houses. other people will have a differentthough,_ houses. other people will have a differentthough, if— houses. other people will have a differentthough, if-had. difficult though, if you've had a people arrive 3 or a million people arrive in 3 or 4 it's extremely 4 years, it's extremely difficult and not all difficult and they're not all focussed around focussed in london, but around the it's very hard for the country it's very hard for particularly when you look at illegal immigration for then any local authorities, whatever political party, irrelevant political party, it's irrelevant to try and plan again and get the infrastructure right. and obviously project the number of houses. you can't just say, well, these houses well, we'll build these houses next it doesn't next week because it doesn't work know that work like that. you know that you've have a lead in you've got to have a lead in time. get the time. they've got to get the planning permission. got planning permission. they've got to do a whole raft of things. so there of there is a combination of reasons why it's a big challenge, frankly. well, what do you challenge, frankly. well, what we yeu make — challenge, frankly. well, what do you make to— challenge, frankly. well, what do you make to it— challenge, frankly. well, what do you make to it all- challenge, frankly. well, what do you make to it all at- bg “ well, what do you make to it all at home? keur— do you make to it all at home? keur rbeugbrs— do you make to it all at home? your thoughts on— do you make to it all at home? your thoughts on that but your thoughts on that topic. but get your thoughts on that topic. but ger—we-u- get this, everybody, we'll be rabkmg— get this, everybody, we'll be rabkmg-rbe— get this, everybody, we'll be talking the police a fair talking about the police a fair bit talking about the police a fair bbrlrms— talking about the police a fair bit-this show.— talking about the police a fair bit this show. but boris bit in this show. but boris rebmsem — bit in this show. but boris johnson. _has. bit in this show. but boris. johnson. _has now bit in this show. but boris- johnson. _has now been johnson. right. he has now been referred— johnson. right. he has now been referred re— johnson. right. he has now been referred to the— johnson. right. he has now been referred to the police by the eabmer— referred to the police by the cabinet-over- referred to the police by the cabinet over claims, new cabinet office over claims, new ekabms— cabinet office over claims, new ebabms mar— cabinet office over claims, new claims that he— cabinet office over claims, new claims that he broke covid

beekeewm— claims that he broke covid lockdown rules.— claims that he broke covid lockdown rules. it turns out the cowb— lockdown rules. it turns out the cevrb mgurry— lockdown rules. it turns out the covid inquiry has— lockdown rules. it turns out the covid inquiry has turned up eerabks— covid inquiry has turned up eerabbs m— covid inquiry has turned up details in the— covid inquiry has turned up details in the prime minister's wary— details in the prime minister's erary mar— details in the prime minister's diary that show— details in the prime minister's diary that show visits by memes— diary that show visits by friends to— diary that show visits by friends to chequers during the bameembe— friends to chequers during the bameembe .— friends to chequers during the pandemic . yes,— friends to chequers during the pandemic . yes, you did hear me pandemic. yes, you did hear me rbgbr— pandemic. yes, you did hear me rbgbr .— pandemic. yes, you did hear me rrgm . webb— pandemic. yes, you did hear me rrgbr . we-bk be— pandemic. yes, you did hear me right . we'll be talking about right. we'll be talking about mar— right. we'll be talking about rbar amer— right. we'll be talking about that after the—

news radio . hello there. “cit? news radio. hello there. yes, mb— news radio. hello there. yes, he bs— news radio. hello there. yes, he be me— news radio. hello there. yes, this is me. michelle- news radio. hello there. yes, this is me. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. baroness jacqueline foster , the tory peer jacqueline foster, the tory peer in the house of lords and a former mep, is alongside me , as former mep, is alongside me, as is walker, is michael walker, a contributing editor at novara media . we were just talking media. we were just talking about housing and all the rest of it a second ago and then breaking news popped up. so it did. borisjohnson. michael has did. boris johnson. michael has beenin did. boris johnson. michael has been in touch saying, michelle, am i listening to a to a repeat of an old show ? boris johnson of an old show? boris johnson lockdowns ? no, you are not lockdowns? no, you are not listening to a repeat. yes, i am live. and yes , this is something live. and yes, this is something that just came out. boris johnson referred to the police by the cabinet office over new

claims apparently that he's broke covid lockdown rules. this is all linked back to the covid inquiries basically turned up details apparently the pm's details apparently in the pm's diary that show visits by friends to chequers during the pandemic . like, goodness me , pandemic. like, goodness me, baroness, your thoughts ? well, baroness, your thoughts? well, the witch hunt continues- baroness, your thoughts? well, the witch hunt continues .- 3“ well, the witch hunt continues . i the witch hunt continues. i rbbs— the witch hunt continues. i mean, this is— the witch hunt continues. i mean, this is this a story , a mean, this is this a story, a mem—srerye— mean, this is this a story, a non—story? apparently. i think if non—story? apparently. i think u yeu— non—story? apparently. i think rr yeu reab— non—story? apparently. i think if you read further into it any any— if you read further into it any amy mgurrres— if you read further into it any any inquiries they have actually abreaey— any inquiries they have actually already discussed— any inquiries they have actually already discussed it. and if it sueb— already discussed it. and if it was such a secret— already discussed it. and if it was such a secret , why would any was such a secret, why would any of was such a secret, why would any er me— was such a secret, why would any of the information _ was such a secret, why would any of the information be in the ministerial— of the information be in the ministerial diaries? if anybody rrymg— ministerial diaries? if anybody rrymg re— ministerial diaries? if anybody was trying to hide something so , nor— was trying to hide something so . r— was trying to hide something so . r rbmk— was trying to hide something so , no, i think everybody's sick to , no, i think everybody's sick re gearb— , no, i think everybody's sick re eearb er— , no, i think everybody's sick to death of this— , no, i think everybody's sick to death of this entire this embe— to death of this entire this embe rbmg— to death of this entire this entire thing now. and it just carries on. so— entire thing now. and it just carries on. so am i surprised? no.— carries on. so am i surprised? we. rm— carries on. so am i surprised? we. r-m mer. — carries on. so am i surprised? no, i'm not. ii . “bib?" no, i'm not. michael yeah, i think it's interesting as a broader story, the partygate one, because , you know, we one, because, you know, we started this conversation talking about suella braverman and rare moment of and we had a rare moment of agreement where saying agreement where we were saying this does not last long. this does like of does seem like a bit of a technicality. she asked a civil servant this or that. i think

the johnson partygate the boris johnson partygate story many story surprised many people because how the public because of how much the public cared. right. so you can look at this oh, there were some this like, oh, there were some technical breaches. it was a small here there, but small fine here or there, but i think because people went through a difficult period through such a difficult period throughout covid that throughout covid 19 that this touched and that's why touched a nerve. and that's why i don't think it is correct to call it a witch hunt, because i think there was a real think this was there was a real popular demand boris johnson think this was there was a real po be ar demand boris johnson think this was there was a real po be ar de account boris johnson think this was there was a real po be ar de account for)ris johnson think this was there was a real po be ar de account for this. ihnson to be held account for this. i don't think it was a top down conspiracy. this element of don't think it was a top down con story, i. this element of don't think it was a top down con story, i'm this element of don't think it was a top down con story, i'm not; element of don't think it was a top down con story, i'm not here.ient of don't think it was a top down con story, i'm not here. oh, of the story, i'm not here. oh, god. great. get to talk about god. great. we get to talk about bofis god. great. we get to talk about boris and rules boris johnson and covid rules again. mean, little bit again. i mean, i'm a little bit bored as a journalist, but bored of it as a journalist, but of course, the spokesman have looked they have looked into it and they have said, this and said, we've checked this and that the case. mean, if that is not the case. i mean, if you believe spokesperson you believe a spokesperson instead a spokesperson, instead of a spokesperson, a spokesperson not spokesperson said this is not case closed. is it? simon case, wbe-s— case closed. is it? simon case, wbe-s beae— case closed. is it? simon case, wbe-s beae er— case closed. is it? simon case, who's head of the— . b: is it? simon case, who's head of the who's head of g...— who's head of the who's head of me. yeu— who's head of the who's head of me. yeu knew.— who's head of the who's head of the, you know, in— who's head of the who's head of the, you know, in number i the, you know, in number 10? i meam-aeruakky— the, you know, in number 10? i mean, actually apparently mean, who actually apparently arremeee— mean, who actually apparently attended-the- mean, who actually apparently attended the then attended some of the then recuses himself- attended some of the then recuses himself from initial recuses himself from the initial bmgubry—ger- recuses himself from the initial bmgubry—ger me- inquiry. then we've got the where— inquiry. then we've got the whole-debacle. inquiry. then we've got the. whole-debacle that's whole sue gray debacle that's gene— whole sue gray debacle that's geme em— whole sue gray debacle that's gone on clearly.— whole sue gray debacle that's gone on clearly. and now all rbese— gone on clearly. and now all these months— gone on clearly. and now all these months later, i mean, i

rbey-re— these months later, i mean, i mean, they're not— these months later, i mean, i mean, they're not trying to get beus— mean, they're not trying to get berbs eur— mean, they're not trying to get berbs eur er— mean, they're not trying to get boris out of downing street, are rbeye— boris out of downing street, are rbeye because— boris out of downing street, are they? because they've already mamagee. — they? because they've already managed. imean_ they? because they've already managed. mean that's managed. i mean that's, that's babbemee— managed. i mean that's, that's happened.r_ managed. i mean that's, that's happened. yeu— managed. i mean that's, that's happened , you know, this will happened so, you know, this will be semerbmg— happened so, you know, this will be something what, what be something this what, what is it be something this what, what is br-semebeey- be something this what, what is it-somebodylnow. be something this what, what is. it-somebodylnow seen it now that somebody is now seen something— it now that somebody is now seen something-mean,- something else? i mean, someone's now seen something else,— someone's now seen something eta-divide- someone's now seen something elm-divide you- someone's now seen something else,-divide you at. else, they will divide you at home— else, they will divide you at home because _ else, they will divide you at home because there are two camsp — home because there are two camp i— home because there are two camps. ithink— home because there are two camps. creating home because there are two camps. home because there are two- camps. i think exactly the point that you're making. i think if you perhaps did lose somebody in your you're of your life, if you're one of those were not those people that you were not even go to the even allowed to go to the funeral your loved one. i'll funeral of your loved one. i'll never forget that video where there it two there was i think it was two sons tried comfort of sons tried to comfort one of their parents at the funeral of their parents at the funeral of the other. and the funeral guy got their chairs got up and moved their chairs away the of so away and all the rest of it. so if you had that kind of experience, be perhaps experience, you will be perhaps infuriated things infuriated by some of the things that this partygate that come out on this partygate stuff the other side of stuff or the other side of the fence is just move on. and is it a political you give a political witch hunt? you give me i'll tell you me your thoughts. i'll tell you the overriding sentiment i the overriding sentiment that i have.it the overriding sentiment that i have. it proves all of have. it proves to me all of this reinforces in mind this just reinforces in my mind that was never a serious that covid was never a serious as we were led to believe. terrified to within an inch of our lives in some cases because of apparently desperately

of this, apparently desperately terrifying virus . i've always terrifying virus. i've always pondered if it was so terrifying saying why did everybody then in the know, a lot of people in the know seemingly not be that afraid. why are you inviting people there and people around here there and everywhere offices country paths and rest of it. if and all the rest of it. if indeed close to the indeed you were so close to the data if indeed was as data and if indeed it was as terrifying as we were led to believe you have believe anyway, you can have the final at home. what final say on that at home. what do make it listen, do you make to it all? listen, did you hear eddie harvey? he was this morning, i was talking this morning, i think it was on lbc radio, actually. my old colleague, nick ferrari, he asked question actually. my old colleague, nick ferr'everyone asked question actually. my old colleague, nick ferr'everyone shock,i question actually. my old colleague, nick ferr'everyone shock, horror, stion and everyone shock, horror, a politician actually answered a question. i mean, goodness gracious me. but listen to it. vast majority people will have the same gender as their biological sex. but a small mummb— biological sex. but a small number won't. _ biological sex. but a small number won't. so- biological sex. but a small number won't. so a- g 1 six but a small number won't. so a woman can mave— number won't. so a woman can have a— number won't. so a woman can have a penis.— number won't. so a woman can have a penis. — number won't. so a woman can have a penis. well,- number won't. so a woman can have a penis. will 2 have a penis. well, quite clearly , no , no, add it is not clearly, no, no, add it is not clear. it is not true . in fact, clear. it is not true. in fact, mmem,— clear. it is not true. in fact, actually, that— clear. it is not true. in fact, actually, that a— f it is not true. in fact, actually, that a woman, which is an actually, that a woman, which is m mum— actually, that a woman, which is an adult human— actually, that a woman, which is an adult human female, has has a penis. — an adult human female, has has a mm. mm— an adult human female, has has a mm. mm m— an adult human female, has has a penis. and it makes— an adult human female, has has a penis. and it makes me cringe

became— penis. and it makes me cringe umeuse i— penis. and it makes me cringe because i know— penis. and it makes me cringe because i know that some of you mu— because i know that some of you mu be— because i know that some of you mu be meme— because i know that some of you will be eating tea.— because i know that some of you will be eating tea. you love yeu— will be eating tea. you love your mmem— will be eating tea. you love your family there, your kids mere.— your family there, your kids mere. mis— your family there, your kids there. this is— your family there, your kids there. this is a— your family there, your kids there. this is a bit of a weird conversation— there. this is a bit of a weird conversation to— there. this is a bit of a weird conversation to be having whilst mue— conversation to be having whilst muse-i— conversation to be having whilst you're-l deme— conversation to be having whilst you're i don't know. you you're eating. i don't know. you spag— you're eating. i don't know. you spas-whatever— you're eating. i don't know. you spag whatever you're spag bol, whatever you're meme,— spag bol, whatever you're meme-u— spag bol, whatever you're mmem-u- spag bol, whatever you'rei eating,-i-it.an eating, but i think it is an essential— essential conversation to have umuse— essential conversation to have umuuse—m- because this is not true in formation— because this is not true in formation what's happening formation and what's happening is-disseminating,- formation and what's happening is-disthrough ng,- formation and what's happening is disthrough society cascading through society and mere— cascading through society andi mere—es there are real consequences to ems.— there are real consequences to ems. mue— there are real consequences to this. you've-more- there are real consequences to this. you've more children this. you've got more children mum— this. you've got more children mum .— this. you've got more children now than i think— this. you've got more children now than i think probably rmersu— now than i think probably records begin— now than i think probably records begin began sorry that do records begin began sorry that m beueve— records begin began sorry that do believe that— records begin began sorry that do believe that there can be ems— do believe that there can be ems opposite— do believe that there can be this opposite sex— do believe that there can be this opposite sex and you know mm— this opposite sex and you know they mu— this opposite sex and you know they mu seep— this opposite sex and you know they will step forth and have mme— they will step forth and have mum is— they will step forth and have mum is quee— they will step forth and have what is quite horrific life summe— what is quite horrific life altering surgery in some cases. memes,— altering surgery in some cases. mmem rm— altering surgery in some cases. michael, i'm deeply concerned about— michael, i'm deeply concerned about mis— michael, i'm deeply concerned about this as— michael, i'm deeply concerned about this as a— michael, i'm deeply concerned about this as a topic. are you? meb— about this as a topic. are you? web .— about this as a topic. are you? web . .— about this as a topic. are you? web . . mmb— about this as a topic. are you? well, i think in— about this as a topic. are you? well, i think in a— about this as a topic. are you? well, i think in a way,- about this as a topic. are you? well, i think in a way, if- about this as a topic. are you? well, i think in a way, if you disagree with ed, david, you're kind of encouraging people to have life changing surgeries. and i'll explain why. have life changing surgeries. and i'll explain why . why i and i'll explain why. why i mean,-now-arel and i'll explain why. why i mean,-now-are of mean, that now there are lots of beebbe— mean, that now there are lots of beebbe-uere— mean, that now there are lots of people-were born- mean, that now there are lots of people were born men who people who were born men who bue— people who were born men who bveluemem— people who were born men who live .women,-many- people who were born men who live women, many of live as women, right? many of mem —mebb.- live as women, right? many of them _right. and i live as women, right? many of. them _right. and now them my friends. right. and now we umbue— them my friends. right. and now we can decide as— them my friends. right. and now we can decide as a— them my friends. right. and now we can decide as a society at ubm— we can decide as a society at ubub bomb— we can decide as a society at what point consider what point do you consider beebbe— what point do you consider beebbe u— what point do you consider people a gender which they ween-t— people a gender which they weren't born— people a gender which they weren't born into ? but if you weren't born into? but if you say— weren't born into? but if you say yeu— weren't born into? but if you say you beve— weren't born into? but if you say you have what's say you have to have what's subbed— say you have to have what's called-surgery,- say you have to have what's called surgery, so you called bottom surgery, so you beve—

called bottom surgery, so you babe-u— called bottom surgery, so you h...-. very- called bottom surgery, so you have a very serious have to have a very serious surgery— have to have a very serious surgery wbem— have to have a very serious surgery where you change your eembubu— surgery where you change your genitalia,.we're_ surgery where you change your genitalia, we're allowing genitalia, if we're not allowing. someone—gender someone to change their gender umb— someone to change their gender .nn_,_ someone to change their gender .nn_, mem- until they do that, then that's tube— until they do that, then that's tube-extreme— until they do that, then that's quite-extreme-so. quite an extreme action. so mere—beepe- quite an extreme action. sol there—people who. quite an extreme action. so. there—people who. there are lots of people who. bub— there are lots of people who. bub-emb— there are lots of people who. but-can't-believel but you can't do you believe so your and not being your friends and i'm not being derogatory your friends. derogatory to your friends. you've you've got men you've said that you've got men that sorry, you got men, that sorry, have you got men, friends that now living as friends that were now living as women the other around? friends that were now living as womeright.|e other around? friends that were now living as wome right. but her around? friends that were now living as womeright. but without around? friends that were now living as womeright. but without beingj? both, right. but without being rude friends . if your both, right. but without being rude friend friends. if your both, right. but without being rude friend wantsds . if your both, right. but without being rude friend wants to. if your both, right. but without being rude friend wants to live 'our man friend wants to live so—called as a woman , then that so—called as a woman, then that doesn't make him a woman. you can't, in my mind, change your biological sex. yes, you can put dresses on. yes, you can put wigs on. yes, you can fake wigs on. yes, you can have fake breasts, but that's breasts, whatever. but that's what you're doing. you're trying to external does not to change your external does not mean you now the mean that you are now the opposite well, talked opposite sex. well, we've talked about this show about this before on this show and i fundamentally come from this position whereby there and i fundamentally come from this some position whereby there and i fundamentally come from thissome people whereby there and i fundamentally come from thissome people iivhereby there and i fundamentally come from thissome people i don't)y there and i fundamentally come from thissome people i don't thinkre are some people i don't think it's a choice. i think there are beebbe— it's a choice. i think there are some people who— c tho it»; i think there are some people who were born with a serum— some people who were born with a certain set— some people who were born with a certain set eb— some people who were born with a certain set of genitalia who sum-t— certain set of genitalia who can't-happily- certain set of genitalia who can't happily without can't live happily without identifying— can't live happily without identifying with the other gemueu — identifying with the other gemueu -u- identifying with the other. gemueu-u-ueeb identifying with the other- eemueu-u-ueeb, gender. there's a really deep, bussbemebe— gender. there's a really deep, passionate feeling which passionate feeling inside which ism-t— passionate feeling inside which but u— passionate feeling inside which isn't a choice.— passionate feeling inside which isn't a choice. i— passionate feeling inside which isn't a choice. i think it's very— isn't a choice. i think it's very sbmbbm— isn't a choice. i think it's very similar myself very similar to myself being bem—

very similar to myself being berm-.— very similar to myself being beml .— very similar to myself being born-. i think- very similar to myself being born-. i think it's- very similar to myself being born . i think it's probably born gay. i think it's probably mbubb— born gay. i think it's probably mbubb emu— born gay. i think it's probably inbuilt and we— born gay. i think it's probably inbuilt and we as a society have to inbuilt and we as a society have be aubu— inbuilt and we as a society have to stem beebbe— inbuilt and we as a society have to allow people to— inbuilt and we as a society have to allow people to identify in a way— to allow people to identify in a but wbem— to allow people to identify in a may ubere met— to allow people to identify in a way where they can live their bues— way where they can live their bveslme — way where they can live their lives .the fullest. - way where they can live their lives the fullest. and i lives to the fullest. and i mmb— lives to the fullest. and i think-means- lives to the fullest. and i think-means in- lives to the fullest. and i think means in many think that means in many situations— think that means in many situations saying that someone wbe— situations saying that someone mbe wus— situations saying that someone mbe bem— situations saying that someone who was born with male genitalia will who was born with male genitalia mu be— who was born with male genitalia mu be abbe— who was born with male genitalia will be able to— who was born with male genitalia will be able to identify and be treated— will be able to identify and be treated us— will be able to identify and be treated us a— will be able to identify and be treated as a woman and vice bf— treated as a woman and vice versa. of course,— treated as a woman and vice versa. of course, what do you mmb— versa. of course, what do you think should— versa. of course, what do you think should take— versa. of course, what do you think should take precedent? meme-s— think should take precedent? people's feelings— think should take precedent? people's feelings and- think should take precedent? people's feelings and your desire, noble, desire, which i think is noble, by the way, to be respectful and kind caring. but don't kind and caring. but i don't think just factual think it is just factual reality. see, i don't see there as-distinction _ ”ca cab see, i don't see there as distinction between as this distinction between feebmes— as this distinction between feelings so feelings and factual reality. so is feelings and factual reality. so bs-uumme— feelings and factual reality. so bs-uummg te— feelings and factual reality. so is wanting to date men, is is my wanting to date men, is mut— is my wanting to date men, is but u— is my wanting to date men, is mm a feeling— is my wanting to date men, is that a feeling or— is my wanting to date men, is that a feeling or is that a meme— that a feeling or is that a factual-so- that a feeling or is that a factual so there factual reality? so there would buve — factual reality? so there would have—similar- have been a very similar ubseussbem— have been a very similar- discussion_homosexuality. discussion about homosexuality. you—tel discussion about homosexuality.| you—be get you might think you want to get umb— you might think you want to get wm.-— you might think you want to get mm. but— you might think you want to get with -, but reality- you might think you want to get with , but reality that with men, but reality is that get— with men, but reality is that get umb— with men, but reality is that men get with women. and i think it men get with women. and i think u bs— men get with women. and i think b is very— men get with women. and i think it is very similar. _ men get with women. and i think it is very similar. flit. ”iii: it is very similar. you're talking— it is very similar. you're talking about biological reality , about your , but it's not about your feelings. about your feelings. it's about your biological. no, but i think beebte— biological. no, but i think beebte-t— biological. no, but i think people-i think- g {.tz�* no, but i think people i think essentially people are i think essentially betme— people are i think essentially being transgender people are i think essentially- being transgender-some being transgender does have some btetegteut— biological basis. so whether met-s— biological basis. so whether mats—tb- biological basis. so whether that's-it can- biological basis. so whether that's-it can be. that's genetic or it can be semetbmg— that's genetic or it can be something which happened in the memb— something which happened in the womb. but— something which happened in the womb, but there _ something which happened in the womb, but there are many btmetem— womb, but there are many different arguments which very besttgteus— different arguments which very besttgtttes— different arguments which very btesttgtue sut— different arguments which very prestigitto say there is

forward to say that there is semetbmg— forward to say that there is something going on here similar to homosexuality,— something going on here similar to homosexuality, the to homosexuality, which, by the way,— to homosexuality, which, by the mum-stit— to homosexuality, which, by the way,.still can't— to homosexuality, which, by the way, still can't explain very way, we still can't explain very wet. — way, we still can't explain very mmb—seme- way, we still can't explain very webb—eeme te- way, we still can't explain very. well._come to accept well. but we have come to accept utm— well. but we have come to accept with homosexuality— well. but we have come to accept with homosexuality that this is beet.— with homosexuality that this is beetlextsts. — with homosexuality that this is real,.exists. and— with homosexuality that this is real, exists. and as real, it exists. and we as a smtetu— real, it exists. and we as a smtetu we— real, it exists. and we as a society, we have- real, it exists. and we as a society, we have to make sure beebte— society, we have to make sure beebte-me— society, we have to make sure beebte-me bem- society, we have to make sure people are born can society, we have to make sure. people - are born .can live people who are born gay can live mett— people who are born gay can live mem-me— people who are born gay can live their-the fullest.- their lives to the fullest. i mmb— their lives to the fullest. i mmb tt-s— their lives to the fullest. i think it's very— their lives to the fullest. i think it's very similar to the teams— think it's very similar to the trams—wet. trans activists, by the way. met-te— trans activists, by the way. thev're-in- trans activists, by the way. meme-m my- trans activists, by the way. l they're-in my mind, they're trying to, in my mind, almost erase homosexuality. but what you're saying is, you know, you're same sex attracted. you're not same sex attracted. what actually you're what it actually is, is you're completely that's completely different sex. that's what bit what it is, which i find a bit peculiar anyway . jacqueline well peculiar anyway. jacqueline well , well, i mean, homosexuality and the knowledge of homosexuality. imean, and the knowledge of homosexuality. i mean, you're going— homosexuality. i mean, you're gemg bum— homosexuality. i mean, you're going back centuries.- cat i mean, you're going back centuries. we know. amt— going back centuries. we know. me me— going back centuries. we know. and the problem— going back centuries. we know. and the problem that we have is it's and the problem that we have is us mete— and the problem that we have is it's there were _ and the problem that we have is it's there were there are people wbe— it's there were there are people mbe beve— it's there were there are people who have born— it's there were there are people who have born have been hermaphrodites . and that's hermaphrodites. and that's a very— hermaphrodites. and that's a very smatt— hermaphrodites. and that's a very small proportion . and we very small proportion. and we mew— very small proportion. and we knew me— very small proportion. and we knew me tb— very small proportion. and we know and if you— very small proportion. and we know and if you if you talk to very— know and if you if you talk to very setteus— know and if you if you talk to very serious people that may beve— very serious people that may buve beue— very serious people that may have have changed their gender, wbe— have have changed their gender, mbe me— have have changed their gender, mbe mute— have have changed their gender, who are male to— have have changed their gender, who are male to female , for who are male to female, for exempte— who are male to female, for example, they're— who are male to female, for example, they're not the ones mut— example, they're not the ones mm are— example, they're not the ones that are running— example, they're not the ones that are running around the streets— that are running around the streets screaming at lesbians. met-re— streets screaming at lesbians. they'fe mer— streets screaming at lesbians. they're not the— streets screaming at lesbians. they're not the ones when you're looking— they're not the ones when you're teebmg er— they're not the ones when you're looking at some— they're not the ones when you're looking at some of— they're not the ones when you're looking at some of these protests— looking at some of these protests that _

looking at some of these protests that are taking place . protests that are taking place. i protests that are taking place. t bere— protests that are taking place. t buve mum— protests that are taking place. i have many friends, a number of memes— i have many friends, a number of membs wbe— i have many friends, a number of membs mbe ure— i have many friends, a number of friends who are lesbians and the treatment— friends who are lesbians and the treatment that— friends who are lesbians and the treatment that they are taking from — treatment that they are taking from u— treatment that they are taking from a ter— treatment that they are taking from a bet er— treatment that they are taking from a lot of this— treatment that they are taking from a lot of this is absolutely, - from a lot of this is absolutely, totally unacceptable bmuse— absolutely, totally unacceptable because what _ absolutely, totally unacceptable because what we— absolutely, totally unacceptable because what we have is btetegteut— because what we have is biological men who then say that met— biological men who then say that met ure— biological men who then say that met trams— biological men who then say that they are trans women. i identify as a woman and— they are trans women. i identify as a woman and i— they are trans women. i identify as a woman and i am a lesbian mur— as a woman and i am a lesbian rbur ts— as a woman and i am a lesbian now that is absolutely ridiculous— now that is absolutely ridiculous because they're not tesbtums. — ridiculous because they're not lesbians. they— ridiculous because they're not lesbians. they are homosexual se— lesbians. they are homosexual be r— lesbians. they are homosexual be r agree— lesbians. they are homosexual men. so i agree with the point you— men. so i agree with the point you rotseo— men. so i agree with the point you rotseo .— men. so i agree with the point you rotseo . t— men. so i agree with the point you raised . i believe a lot of you raised. i believe a lot of ms— you raised. i believe a lot of ms trous— you raised. i believe a lot of this trans activism. i'm not ramme— this trans activism. i'm not talking about— this trans activism. i'm not talking about your individual memos— talking about your individual friends particularly, but you are friends particularly, but you ore-about- friends particularly, but you are-about my- friends particularly, but you are about my individual are talking about my individual memos. — are talking about my individual friends. _saying- friends. if you're saying that there one who is a there can be no one who is a woman who hasn't bottom woman who hasn't had bottom surgery talking about surgery, you are talking about you monopoly on you don't have the monopoly on gay or trans or we know gay or trans or we all know people all we all know people. and we into and you know, and we take into meoum— and you know, and we take into meoumts—- and you know, and we take into account is happening account what what is happening and account what what is happening mo mber-s— account what what is happening and what's happening in the uorbotme— and what's happening in the. workplace,_men workplace, you know, trans men ome— workplace, you know, trans men met—do.- workplace, you know, trans meni and _ do, actually. and trans women. i do, actually. amt— and trans women. i do, actually. amt-treet— and trans women. i do, actually. and _treat them- and trans women. i do, actually. and _treat them as- and trans women. i do, actually. and treat them as the and do you treat them as the mmber— and do you treat them as the gender-identify- and do you treat them as the gender identify or do gender they identify as or do you— gender they identify as or do you treat— gender they identify as or do you treat them— gender they identify as or do you treat them as the genitalia? they— you treat them as the genitalia? rbey-utrbe — you treat them as the genitalia? they-with? you're- you treat them as the genitalia? they _with? you're not they were born with? you're not answering-question. - they were born with? you're not answering-question. i'm- "big ”tii�*tiiliii 7 you're not answering question. i'm not answering my question. i'm not osbmg— answering my question. i'm not asking-question.- answering my question. i'm not asking question. am asking you a question. i am bumme— asking you a question. i am burrmg my— asking you a question. i am putting mil-of- asking you a question. i am putting my of view putting my point of view torture.— putting my point of view forward.-trans| forward. there are trans mrtvtsrs. — forward. there are trans activists. _wayl activists. and the way this ubote —

activists. and the way thisi whole _ situation activists. and the way this. whole _ situation is whole this whole situation is movtme— whole this whole situation is now moving forward because it's in now moving forward because it's to soboots— now moving forward because it's to soboots .— now moving forward because it's to soboots . os— now moving forward because it's to soboots . as t— now moving forward because it's in schools , as i believe it is in schools, as i believe it is umbermmme— in schools, as i believe it is undermining the- in schools, as i believe it is undermining the fight that we move— undermining the fight that we bove boo— undermining the fight that we have had over— undermining the fight that we have had over the centuries and omooes— have had over the centuries and omooes tor— have had over the centuries and decades for women's rights . we decades for women's rights. we are decades for women's rights. we being— decades for women's rights. we are being undermined as we speak . soy— are being undermined as we speak . my moms— are being undermined as we speak . soy moms-obso— are being undermined as we speak . gay rights also being . gay rights are also being undermined— . gay rights are also being undermined because it now appears— undermined because it now appears mor— undermined because it now appears that the go to, if a embo— appears that the go to, if a child starts— appears that the go to, if a child starts to— appears that the go to, if a child starts to identify by, for exempte— child starts to identify by, for eoombte. os— child starts to identify by, for eoombte. as o— child starts to identify by, for example, as a boy or a girl, tr-s— example, as a boy or a girl, is mruotty— example, as a boy or a girl, it's actually oh,— example, as a boy or a girl, it's actually oh, there probably going— it's actually oh, there probably gomg ro— it's actually oh, there probably gomg to be— it's actually oh, there probably going to be trans. _ it's actually oh, there probably going to be trans. now, that is mor— going to be trans. now, that is not me— going to be trans. now, that is not me ease— going to be trans. now, that is not the case when _ going to be trans. now, that is not the case when you've got ebttorem— not the case when you've got children who _ not the case when you've got children who are— not the case when you've got children who are teenagers or ubo— children who are teenagers or bro-very— children who are teenagers or who-very young.- children who are teenagers or who-very youngr t- children who are teenagers or who very young, i mean, they who are very young, i mean, they reentry— who are very young, i mean, they identify-rocket— who are very young, i mean, they identify-rocket-and- who are very young, i mean, they identify rocket and the identify as rocket men. and the merr— identify as rocket men. and the mem-mmbr— identify as rocket men. and the next might identify as next day they might identify as as next day they might identify as os—t— next day they might identify as os—t mem.- as a ballet dancer. i mean, ebttorem— as a ballet dancer. i mean, ebttorem .— as a ballet dancer. i mean, children , that's— as a ballet dancer. i mean, children , that's the way that's children, that's the way that's the children, that's the way that's me boy— children, that's the way that's me may be — children, that's the way that's the way the human the human body children, that's the way that's the wa ande human the human body children, that's the way that's the wa and itiuman the human body children, that's the way that's the wa and it doesi the human body children, that's the way that's the wa and it does ,the human body children, that's the way that's the wa and it does , of human body children, that's the way that's the wa and it does , of course, body works. and it does, of course, utm— works. and it does, of course, utrblrbey— works. and it does, of course, with .they evolve- works. and it does, of course, with they evolve into with as they evolve into teenagers.— with as they evolve into teenagers. so - with as they evolve into teenagers. so i just think at bovtes— teenagers. so i just think at davies comment— teenagers. so i just think at davies comment was actually sombrerety— davies comment was actually completely ridiculous. well, or— completely ridiculous. well, or you— completely ridiculous. well, some of you might have teenagers at some of you might have teenagers or bome. — some of you might have teenagers or bome. you-tb— some of you might have teenagers at home. you'll have— some of you might have teenagers at home. you'll have a- some of you might have teenagers at home. 41:1.“ . some of you might have teenagers at home. vflti. cc . rit�*t: at home. you'll have a view and i'm sure and i think michael's got final words down as well. but i'm going to i'm going to take a quick break and going take a quick break and i'm going to back it very briefly. to come back to it very briefly. but i got lot more to

but i also got a lot more to rattle through tonight because i want to talk to you about the situation did you situation in cardiff. did you see night? tragically, see that last night? tragically, two teenagers were killed, but see that last night? tragically, twthatznagers were killed, but see that last night? tragically, twthatznatexcuse re killed, but see that last night? tragically, twthatznatexcuse re killecgo ut is that an excuse then to go set your next door neighbour's car on fire trash your own on fire to trash your own neighbourhood and just stop oil as are the police as well? what are the police doing workmen that doing arresting workmen that just want to go to work ? you just want to go to work? you tell me. see you

on gb news. the people's channel bumm— on gb news. the people's channel brttotm ts— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching .— on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . britain is watching. hello mere.— britain is watching. hello there. rm— britain is watching. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry alongside me, baroness jacqueline foster, the tory peer in the house of lords, former mep and michael walker, the contributing editor at novara media. ken says what a top grade pairing on your show tonight. i ken, that's because you didn't air these carrying on in the air these two carrying on in the break conversation about break that conversation about the davey , what i would the whole ed davey, what i would call ridiculousness, quite frankly rumbled what's the frankly rumbled on what's the matter perrier ? well, matter with the perrier? well, i just thought three _ matter with the perrier? well, i just thought three things- 7 well, i just thought three things were being— just thought three things were being conflated. so i think there's an issue when a there's an issue when does a trans to become trans person start to become recognised the gender recognised as the gender they weren't think it weren't born in. now i think it would terrible we say they

would be terrible if we say they can recognised as that can only be recognised as that after because after bottom surgery because that's a serious operation that's a very serious operation to there are lots to have. there are lots of people, my friends people, lots of my friends who live other gender who live as the other gender who haven't bottom surgery. haven't had that bottom surgery. i are of i think you are sort of conflating with issues conflating that with issues about trans activism think about trans activism and i think there are legitimate debates about childcare, about that. and also childcare, sorry, for trans sorry, health care for trans children. i think those are three separate issues and three very separate issues and it be helpful if it would probably be helpful if we discussed them separately as opposed all. opposed to conflating them all. ihave opposed to conflating them all. i have nothing further to add i have nothing furthei to add at i have nothing further to add at bms— i have nothing further to add at mm mm— i have nothing further to add at this time, ladies— i have nothing further to add at this time, ladies and gents. broke— this time, ladies and gents. broke or— this time, ladies and gents. make of that. _ this time, ladies and gents. make of that. oh,— this time, ladies and gents. make of that. oh, i- this time, ladies and gents. make of that. oh, i can't say that these even that's that these days. even that's offensive, it ? people, i offensive, isn't it? people, i think can say that . no, i think you can say that. no, i can say. ladies can definitely say. ladies and gents, fashioned. me. gents, i'm old fashioned. me. anyway, make of that anyway, you can make of that what? you will get in touch. did you goings on in you follow the goings on in cardiff i've got to cardiff last night? i've got to say, actually . i was say, i did, actually. i was watching a couple of the live streams as they happened. a long story short in you're just story short, in case you're just catching with the news, two catching up with the news, two teenagers very tragically teenagers were very tragically killed in a crash. what then followed? i mean, some of the rumours were that these kids had been chased by the police. that

was initially denied by the police . subsequently, there's police. subsequently, there's been a bit of cctv tv that shows that that might indeed have been the case. some of the facts around little bit around this are a little bit sketchy, say the least, and i sketchy, to say the least, and i think there's been referral think there's been a referral for an investigation as well. but notwithstanding horrific but notwithstanding the horrific circumstances of the goings on and obviously the horrific deaths of these two teenagers, very sad . but i deaths of these two teenagers, very sad. but i fail to see deaths of these two teenagers, very sad . but i fail to see how very sad. but i fail to see how that can, you know , basically that can, you know, basically leads to us a horrific situation. so what i'm going to do is set fire to my neighbour's house, trash up my own community, and somehow i'll use their the killing or the death, should i say, of these two children as a reason for that? and excuse it, i don't mean to be rude, but it doesn't wash with me. i think it's just lawlessness. i think people are just wanting the opportunity to go create carnage. and go out and create carnage. and then oh, it's then people will say, oh, it's because social deprivation or because of social deprivation or poverty really with me doesn't really wash with me ehhen doesn't really wash with me either. yeah, well, i mean, i

mmb— either. yeah, well, i mean, i mmb bere— either. yeah, well, i mean, i think here what— ti yeah, well, i mean, i think here what makes either. yeah, well, i mean, i- think here what-makes this think here what often makes this eomversortom — think here what often makes this conversation difficult is bmuse— conversation difficult is because people say you because people say if you mmem— because people say if you erbium—you- because people say if you- explain _you thereby explain something, you thereby tummy— explain something, you thereby tummy-t— explain something, you thereby tummy-t mmb- explain something, you thereby justify-i think it's- justify it. now, i think it's very possible to explain something without justifying it. i justifies i don't think anything justifies burning your neighbour's car down, but down, for example. but i think i mean, i've listening to the mean, i've been listening to the radio lots of people radio today, lots of people speaking from that community saying, of people are saying, well, lots of people are very annoyed that their cars have down and then have been burnt down and then some we could kind have been burnt down and then so see we could kind have been burnt down and then so see this we could kind have been burnt down and then so see this coming. we could kind have been burnt down and then so see this coming. there)uld kind have been burnt down and then so see this coming. there was kind of see this coming. there was a lot of disquiet in the community. there is a lot of poverty. and one of issues poverty. and one of the issues was distrust police. and poverty. and one of the issues vithinkitrust police. and poverty. and one of the issues vithinkitrusvery, police. and poverty. and one of the issues vithinkitrusvery, p(relevanti i think it's very, very relevant that the news have been reporting that this was reporting all day that this was a rumour. the article reporting all day that this was a were umour. the article reporting all day that this was a were sentir. the article reporting all day that this was a were sent by the article reporting all day that this was a were sent by the ie article reporting all day that this was a were sent by the producers, we were sent by the producers, not the fault not their fault. it's the fault of police said was of the police said there was a false rumour. people were false rumour. these people were chased now cctv chased by the police. now cctv footage emerged. it's footage has emerged. so it's not just that they admitted they just that they admitted it. they now there is proof now know that there is proof that were following these that they were following these kids in a chase. presumably kids in a chase. so presumably there some there is there is some relationship between chase relationship between that chase and deaths. you and these two tragic deaths. you can might not can see why people might not trust the police. that's the footage.— trust the police. that's the footage by— trust the police. that's the footage, by the _ trust the police. that's the footage, by the way,- ti.ti that's the footage, by the way, in case youe— footage, by the way, in case youe-bor- footage, by the way, in case. you're-not listening. you're watching. not listening. vou— you're watching. not listening. you-mor— you're watching. not listening. you-that packed- you're watching. not listening. you that packed car you can see that packed up car mere.— you can see that packed up car there. apparently— you can see that packed up car there. apparently that bike mere.— there. apparently that bike mere—utml there, that's the one with the two— there, that's the one with the

bro—amt - there, that's the one with the two _and then - there, that's the one with the two—and then i. there, that's the one with the. two—and then i mean, two kids on it. and then i mean, i it two kids on it. and then i mean, t—tr o— two kids on it. and then i mean, t—tr o mor— two kids on it. and then i mean, t—tr e um vom- two kids on it. and then i mean, i_it a riot van. i- i would call it a riot van. i bomb— i would call it a riot van. i- don't—technical don't know what the technical rerm — don't know what the technical rerm -bur— don't know what the technical term _but that- don't know what the technical term but that police term for it is, but that police you— term for it is, but that police van, you can see— term for it is, but that police van, you can see that that is most— van, you can see that that is seconds behind— van, you can see that that is seconds behind if you're seconds behind it. if you're ttstemtmy— listening, you can't see what it is. listening, you can't see what it ts-ts— listening, you can't see what it ts-ts-rooroge- listening, you can't see what it is.-is-footage that- listening, you can't see what it is. is footage that has is. that is the footage that has emerged. — is. that is the footage that has now emerged. so— is. that is the footage that has now emerged. so the two kids obboremrty— now emerged. so the two kids apparently-bike- now emerged. so the two kids apparently bike followed now emerged. so the two kids a i parently bike followed now emerged. so the two kids ai wouldy bike followed now emerged. so the two kids ai would say bike followed now emerged. so the two kids ai would say literally;e followed now emerged. so the two kids ai would say literally a followed now emerged. so the two kids ai would say literally a couple d , i would say literally a couple of , i would say literally a couple or-torer— , i would say literally a couple or-torer by— , i would say literally a couple or-torer by e- , i would say literally a couple of later by a police of seconds later by a police anyway.— of seconds later by a police van. anyway, jacqueline ? �*tiiticc van. anyway, jacqueline? well, first— van. anyway, jacqueline? well, motor— van. anyway, jacqueline? well, ttrst ot bu.— van. anyway, jacqueline? well, first of all, it's— van. anyway, jacqueline? well, first of all, it's tragic that you've got two youngsters who've died in this incident. incident and clearly there's an inquiry that's going on. i think we need to just move it to sort of more of a general situation because it's not the only place that's had whatever the cause had riots and whatever the cause or what doesn't wash with me is it's a deprived area and everybody's poor . so let's all everybody's poor. so let's all have a riot . and really, because have a riot. and really, because there's a child when i was everybody was poor. when i was when born, not that many when i was born, not that many years after the war, people didn't go around burning things down and rioting everywhere . down and rioting everywhere. dumas and so i think it's an excuse.| dumas and so i think it's an excuse. i also think there's an issue with the age group of a lot of these children. you've got 11 year olds and 14 year

olds. they're out late at night and they should home. and and they should be at home. and that parenting that is a parenting responsibility. this, by the way,— responsibility. this, by the uoyltbmt— responsibility. this, by the way,ithink this- responsibility. this, by the way,ithink this crash- c cat this, by the way, think this crash happened way, i think this crash happened at way, i think this crash happened ot—omy— way, i think this crash happened ot—omy so- way, i think this crash happened at_okay so this- at about 6:00. okay so this most— at about 6:00. okay so this crash _one. but- at about 6:00. okay so this crash one. but what we crash in this one. but what we do crash in this one. but what we to mow— crash in this one. but what we to mow mt— crash in this one. but what we do know and we— crash in this one. but what we do know and we see quite do know and we see it quite treouemtty— do know and we see it quite frequently .the - do know and we see it quite frequently the police are frequently that the police are dealing— frequently that the police are teottme-ttts— frequently that the police are dealing kids 11:00 at dealing with kids 11:00 at mott— dealing with kids 11:00 at mom. ot— dealing with kids 11:00 at night, at 10:00 night, and night, at 10:00 at night, and night, at10:00 at night, and tater— night, at10:00 at night, and even later than— night, at 10:00 at night, and even later than that. stiiti even later than that. so there's obso— even later than that. so there's rtso tbe— even later than that. so there's also the parenting responsibility , the other side responsibility, the other side of the coin is there are not enough police who are on the beat because what we did know when we were children, a lot of us, we'd have often known that there was a local constable or a local police officer that was round and about the people could actually go when were actually go to when there were people not behaving as people clearly not behaving as well they should. and quite well as they should. and quite often nip it the often that would nip it in the bud and also the children. i think the pair, a lot of the parents were probably more disciplinarian than they are today. a it's a today. so it's a it's a combination of things. it's not just one straightforward wayward , one straightforward. i think, response to all of this , but response to all of this, but just to, you know , as you said, just to, you know, as you said, there is no excuse for them what

took place in terms of, you know, causing the damage and the mayhem which could cause further deaths and could have caused, you know, further distress to then what took place after that . well, what do you make to it at bomee— . well, what do you make to it at bomee t— well, what do you make to it at home? i remember a few years ago— at home? i remember a few years ago muo— at home? i remember a few years ago .— at home? i remember a few years ago . t— at home? i remember a few years ago . t tbmt— at home? i remember a few years ago now , i think it— at home? i remember a few years ago now , i think it was maybe ago now, i think it was maybe i wont— ago now, i think it was maybe i wont to— ago now, i think it was maybe i wont to soy— ago now, i think it was maybe i want to say about— ago now, i think it was maybe i want to say about around 11, but i want to say about around 11, but t tbmt— want to say about around 11, but t tbtmt rt— want to say about around 11, but i think it wasn't— want to say about around 11, but i think it wasn't as— want to say about around 11, but i think it wasn't as far along as me— i think it wasn't as far along as tbe mort— i think it wasn't as far along as the mark duggan. what year tbote — as the mark duggan. what year was that? that— as the mark duggan. what year was that? that was- as the mark duggan. what year was that? $200 $20“ was that? that was 2010 or 2011. one of those years, because i was saying 2011. but in my head i was saying 2011. but in my head t was— was saying 2011. but in my head tyros stobbmg— was saying 2011. but in my head i was stopping myself- t; $20“ but in my head i was stopping myself because i tbtmttmy— i was stopping myself because i tbtmtmg. t— i was stopping myself because i was thinking, i don't think it tbot— was thinking, i don't think it mot-ago.— was thinking, i don't think it was that ago, but maybe it was that long ago, but maybe it anyway.— was that long ago, but maybe it was. anyway, remember was. anyway, i remember that outut— was. anyway, i remember that tutu—ot— was. anyway, i remember that awful-of course,- awful situation, of course, with trom— awful situation, of course, with mort-but— awful situation, of course, withj mark-but-people mark duggan. but then people toot— mark duggan. but then people toot-streets— mark duggan. but then people took-streets and- mark duggan. but then people took streets and started took to the streets and started smosbtmg— took to the streets and started smashing-places- took to the streets and started smashing places like foot smashing up places like foot roster— smashing up places like foot locker-trainers.- smashing up places like foot locker trainers. mean, locker to nick trainers. i mean, you— locker to nick trainers. i mean, you-utm— locker to nick trainers. i mean, you-utthtue- locker to nick trainers. i mean, you with due respect, you know, with all due respect, yes,— you know, with all due respect, yes-beobte- you know, with all due respect, vest-people get- you know, with all due respect, yes, people get upset yes, i get that people get upset about— yes, i get that people get upset about-bobbemmg.- about things happening, but many— about things happening, but retry—om- really using that as an obbortumtty— really using that as an opportunity go nick yourself opportunity to go nick yourselfi some _whatever, some nike air max or whatever, the fashionable— some nike air max or whatever, the fashionable really the fashionable shoe was really 7 the fashionable shoe was really ? i the fashionable shoe was really e t tom-t— the fashionable shoe was really ? i don't-maybe- the fashionable shoe was really ? i don't maybe i'm being ? i don't know. maybe i'm being almost.— ? i don't know. maybe i'm being olborsm vou— ? i don't know. maybe i'm being a.harsh. you tell— ? i don't know. maybe i'm being a harsh. you tell me. i will a bit harsh. you tell me. i will eomttmue— a bit harsh. you tell me. i will continue conversation and continue this conversation and obso— continue this conversation and obso-bottee- continue this conversation and also police because also about the police because i do also about the police because i tolomt— also about the police because i tolomt stret— also about the police because i do.and stick-for- also about the police because i do and stick for the do try and stick up for the bottom— do try and stick up for the route. t— do try and stick up for the bottee. t to— do try and stick up for the police. i do try— do try and stick up for the police. i do try give them police. i do try and give them tbe—tumb-

police. i do try and give them the _think they. the respect that i think they deserve. — the respect that i think they deserve. sometimes do you deserve. but sometimes do you tbmt— deserve. but sometimes do you mmb-om— deserve. but sometimes do you tbmt-om tbe- deserve. but sometimes do you think-on the side?- deserve. but sometimes do you think on the side? the think they are on the side? the wrong— think they are on the side? the wrong sttee— think they are on the side? the wrong side? just— think they are on the side? the wrong side? just stop. oil, for exempte— wrong side? just stop. oil, for. example,_example example, being a prime example bmuse— example, being a prime example bmuse rt— example, being a prime example because it was— example, being a prime example because it was the— example, being a prime example because it was the workmen that met— because it was the workmen that trtet to— because it was the workmen that trtet to stove— because it was the workmen that tried to shove activists off tried to shove the activists off tbe— tried to shove the activists off tbe-mot— tried to shove the activists off the .that found - tried to shove the activists off the that found himself in the road that found himself in troubte— the road that found himself in troubte. mot— the road that found himself in trouble, not the— the road that found himself in trouble, not the people blocking the trouble, not the people blocking tbe-tbe— trouble, not the people blocking tbe-tbe ttrst— trouble, not the people blocking the the first place. the road in the first place. mere— the road in the first place. mere-see— the road in the first place. there .see you - the road in the first place. there-see you .-

in two. i in two. hello. i in two. i hello there. i in two. - hello there. i | to two.- hello there. i am | to two.— hello there. i am michelle beuberry— hello there. i am michelle dewberry keeping you company till dewberry keeping you company tttt troo— dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight— dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, baroness jacqueline foster, the toy— baroness jacqueline foster, the toy beer— baroness jacqueline foster, the toy beer m— baroness jacqueline foster, the toy beer is tbe— baroness jacqueline foster, the tory peer in the house of lords mt— tory peer in the house of lords out o— tory peer in the house of lords out o tormer— tory peer in the house of lords and a former mep,— tory peer in the house of lords and a former mep, and michael matter— and a former mep, and michael walker contributing editor at boom— walker contributing editor at novara media— walker contributing editor at novara media .— walker contributing editor at novara media . i— walker contributing editor at novara media . i don't think novara media. i don't think tbese— novara media. i don't think tbese two— novara media. i don't think these two will— novara media. i don't think these two will be going for a trmt— these two will be going for a dirt otter— these two will be going for a drink after the— these two will be going for a drink after the show. i think mot— drink after the show. i think tbot ts— drink after the show. i think tbot ts tor— drink after the show. i think that is for sure. _ drink after the show. i think that is for sure. anyway, tony says— that is for sure. anyway, tony says, michelle,— that is for sure. anyway, tony says, michelle, you've just been tottmg— says, michelle, you've just been tottmg about— says, michelle, you've just been talking about the _ says, michelle, you've just been talking about the trans thing. rye— talking about the trans thing. he got— talking about the trans thing. i've got breasts— talking about the trans thing. i've got breasts on, but it's bmuse— i've got breasts on, but it's bmuse t— i've got breasts on, but it's because i eat— i've got breasts on, but it's because i eat too many tougbmuts— because i eat too many doughnuts, so- because i eat too many doughnuts, so therefore now i wont— doughnuts, so therefore now i wont to— doughnuts, so therefore now i want to identify— doughnuts, so therefore now i want to identify ,— doughnuts, so therefore now i want to identify , quite frankly, want to identify, quite frankly, as a donor would— want to identify, quite frankly, as a donor would that be

ottouete— as a donor would that be allowed? no— as a donor would that be allowed? no actually, i don't tbmt— allowed? no actually, i don't tbtmt rt— allowed? no actually, i don't think it would. _ allowed? no actually, i don't think it would. and what would ttemtttymg— think it would. and what would ttemtttymg os— think it would. and what would identifying as a— think it would. and what would identifying as a donor mean omyuoye— identifying as a donor mean omyuoye t— identifying as a donor mean omyuoye t soy.— identifying as a donor mean anyway? i say, no, you can't. anyway.— anyway? i say, no, you can't. amyuoyltbts— anyway? i say, no, you can't. anyway, .this-and - anyway? i say, no, you can't. anyway, this and age, who anyway, in this day and age, who mous— anyway, in this day and age, who knows tbe— anyway, in this day and age, who knows the next— anyway, in this day and age, who knows the next reality that will be-you — knows the next reality that will be-you ost- knows the next reality that will be-you ask-willl be denied, if you ask me, will be denied, if you ask me, will be age— be denied, if you ask me, will be age ot— be denied, if you ask me, will be age at tbts— be denied, if you ask me, will be age at this rate, i do betteve— be age at this rate, i do believe that— be age at this rate, i do believe that facts matter . believe that facts matter. somme— believe that facts matter. someone just— believe that facts matter. someone just been touch with someone just been in touch with me—omtyl someone just been in touch with meletttor—omtyl someone just been in touch with me editor dave only someone just been in touch with me editor dave is only someone just been in touch with me editor dave is talkingily think editor dave is talking nonsense you're think editor dave is talking- nonsense-you're ignorant think editor dave is talking- nonsel'm _you're ignorant think editor dave is talking nonsel'm not you're ignorant think editor dave is talking nonsel'm not ignorant.re ignorant think editor dave is talking nonsel'm not ignorant. thank rant . but i'm not ignorant. thank you—rust- . but i'm not ignorant. thank. you—rust bobbemet you very much. i just happened to-tttteremt— you very much. i just happened to-different view- you very much. i just happened to different view to ed to have a different view to ed bovey— to have a different view to ed bovey mt— to have a different view to ed boyey mt t— to have a different view to ed davey and i do— to have a different view to ed davey and i do believe that reottty— davey and i do believe that reality matters— davey and i do believe that reality matters and facts motters. — reality matters and facts- matters. _ believe matters. and i don't believe in the matters. and i don't believe in tbe-beu— matters. and i don't believe ini tbe-ueu-but the emperor's new clothes, but maybe— the emperor's new clothes, but maybe-mome— the emperor's new clothes, but maybe-atone .— the emperor's new clothes, but maybe alone . anyway, we maybe i'm alone. anyway, we eomttmue— maybe i'm alone. anyway, we continue conversation with continue our conversation with the continue our conversation with tbe bottee. — continue our conversation with tbe bottee. tre— continue our conversation with the police. we were just talking about— the police. we were just talking about tbe— the police. we were just talking about the situation in over in motes— about the situation in over in motes test— about the situation in over in wales last night.— about the situation in over in wales last night. just stop oil mere.— wales last night. just stop oil there. continue— wales last night. just stop oil there. continue what i would cott— there. continue what i would eat tbetr— there. continue what i would call their ridiculousness. slow mmb— call their ridiculousness. slow mmb tum— call their ridiculousness. slow march ing, slow— call their ridiculousness. slow march ing, slow walking, stobbmg— march ing, slow walking, stopping people getting about tbetr— stopping people getting about tbetr tubby— stopping people getting about their daily business up and down their daily business up and down tbe eoumtry. — their daily business up and down tbe eoumtry. t— their daily business up and down the country. i don't— their daily business up and down the country. i don't even think tbts— the country. i don't even think tbts ts— the country. i don't even think tbts ts rust— the country. i don't even think tbts ts tust o— the country. i don't even think this is just a london thing. and it's this is just a london thing. and is eertotmty— this is just a london thing. and it's certainly not— this is just a london thing. and it's certainly not just a uk tumo— it's certainly not just a uk tbmg anyway.— it's certainly not just a uk thing anyway. a workman now he's been— thing anyway. a workman now he's been timed.— thing anyway. a workman now he's been filmed. he— thing anyway. a workman now he's been filmed. he had— thing anyway. a workman now he's been filmed. he had enough. he smotebet— been filmed. he had enough. he snatched-barrier— been filmed. he had enough. he snatched-barrier .- been filmed. he had enough. he snatched barrier. he been filmed. he had enough. he snatched barrier . he shoved been filmed. he had enough. he sna'protesters barrier. he shoved been filmed. he had enough. he sna'protesters overar . he shoved been filmed. he had enough. he sna'protesters over .' . he shoved been filmed. he had enough. he sna'protesters over . long shoved been filmed. he had enough. he sna'protesters over. long storytd the protesters over. long story smom.— the protesters over. long story sbort. be— the protesters over. long story sbort. be wes— the protesters over. long story short, he was detained on grounds— short, he was detained on grounds ot— short, he was detained on

grounds of common assault. i tbtmt— grounds of common assault. i tbtmt t— grounds of common assault. i tbtmt t mtgbt— grounds of common assault. i think i might have a video to stow— think i might have a video to sbow you— think i might have a video to sbow youltt— think i might have a video to show you-it as— think i might have a video to show you it as well while show you of it as well while we're talking.— show you of it as well while we're talking-i- show you of it as well while we're talking. i have, we we're talking. and if i have, we sbett— we're talking. and if i have, we smeb-rt.— we're talking. and if i have, we shall-it. that— we're talking. and if i have, we shall-it. that is- we're talking. and if i have, we shall it. that is what shall play it. that is what youre— shall play it. that is what you-re-you-rel you're seeing. if you're ttstemtme— you're seeing. if you're listening, watching . it's you're seeing. if you're- listening,-watching . it's as you're seeing. if you're- listejust ,-watching . it's as you're seeing. if you're listejust described,iing . it's as you're seeing. if you're listejust described, someit's as you're seeing. if you're listejust described, some is as i've just described, some i mean, i'm stereotyping. i think bes— mean, i'm stereotyping. i think he's aware because he's got his twe— he's aware because he's got his he ms— he's aware because he's got his i've his trousers— he's aware because he's got his i've his trousers on.— he's aware because he's got his i've his trousers on. anyway, he sobwm— i've his trousers on. anyway, he stoves—streets- i've his trousers on. anyway, hei shoves—streets and shoves them off the streets and the shoves them off the streets and tbe bobbe— shoves them off the streets and tbe bottee t— shoves them off the streets and the police i think— shoves them off the streets and the police i think are very beewy— the police i think are very heavy handed,— the police i think are very heavy handed, too heavy handed. i heavy handed, too heavy handed. t—wortmeml i would say with the workman guv- — i would say with the workman guy. trtebeet— i would say with the workman guy. trtebeet — i would say with the workman guy. michael �*tiitill "

future i now _the - will cost lots more lives in the future now the other future. now i think the other smert— future. now i think the other smert tbtmg— future. now i think the other smart thing about just stop oil is smart thing about just stop oil ts-meme.— smart thing about just stop oil is-name, explains- is their name, explains what tbey— is their name, explains what they brtemg. — is their name, explains what they pricing. _of- is their name, explains what they pricing. : is their name, explains what. thithat'sing. _of the food is their name, explains what. thithat's that's-of the food is their name, explains what in that's that's one of them. but there's also droughts and etee— but there's also droughts and extreme weather— but there's also droughts and extreme weather in europe which has extreme weather in europe which bes—tbe- has affected especially the wegetebte— has affected especially the vegetable things. o" vegetable side of things. oh i beer— vegetable side of things. oh i beer ebout— vegetable side of things. oh i hear about-all— vegetable side of things. oh i hear about- all the- vegetable side of things. oh i hear about all the time. hear about this all the time. oh, can't get tomatoes for oh, you can't get tomatoes for love i remember love nor money. i remember when tomato gate was going on and i do going to a do remember going to a supermarket. so do remember going to a superivariety so do remember going to a superivariety of so do remember going to a superivariety of tomatoes so do remember going to a superivariety of tomatoes in so do remember going to a superivariety of tomatoes in all many variety of tomatoes in all my life, many them way too my life, many of them way too posh me. thank you very posh for me. thank you very much. like cherry ones, much. it's like the cherry ones, but anyway. well, i think the droughts more extreme droughts might get more extreme and go up and the tomatoes might go up in price little more. but in price a little bit more. but in any think price a little bit more. but in any-think calling- any case, i think calling themselves— any case, i think calling themselves stop any case, i think calling themselves-stop was themselves just stop oil was a very— themselves just stop oil was a wemowry—e- themselves just stop oil was a. very—mowe-tt very intelligent move because iti means—even have means that they don't even have to be— means that they don't even have to be om— means that they don't even have to be or tbe— means that they don't even have to be on the tv— means that they don't even have to be on the tv themselves for us to— to be on the tv themselves for us to mow— to be on the tv themselves for us to know-they're - to be on the tv themselves for us to know they're talking us to know what they're talking ebout. — us to know what they're talking ebout—tt- us to know what they're talking ebout—tt ts- us to know what they're talking about,_it is silly. about, which is that it is silly tbet— about, which is that it is silly that-government- about, which is that it is silly that government investing that our government is investing in that our government is investing tm—wow.- that our government is investing tm—wow. tbet-sl in new oil fields. now, that's mot— in new oil fields. now, that's mot-bostttom - in new oil fields. now, that's not-position. the. not a radical position. the international— not a radical position. the international we international energy agency, we egree— international energy agency, we agree—and- agree with that as well. and i tbtmt— agree with that as well. and i tbtmt we— agree with that as well. and i tbtmt we ee— agree with that as well. and i think we are going to be seeing eme— think we are going to be seeing more and-extreme- think we are going to be seeing more and extreme weather. more and more extreme weather. ebwousty.— obviously, last year we had the bottest— obviously, last year we had the bottest tey— obviously, last year we had the bottest tey om— obviously, last year we had the hottest day on record in the uk eme— hottest day on record in the uk emt tt-s— hottest day on record in the uk and it's estimated— hottest day on record in the uk and it's estimated about and it's estimated at about zomb— and it's estimated at about. zoom—etee and it's estimated at about- 20,000_died due 20,000 people in europe died due to—emt- 20,000 people in europe died due to—emt by- to the heatwave. yeah, and by tbe— to the heatwave. yeah, and by tbe-tbts— to the heatwave. yeah, and by tbe-tbts ts— to the heatwave. yeah, and by the-this is all— to the heatwave. yeah, and by the this is all fascinating the way, this is all fascinating eme— the way, this is all fascinating and _wonderful. - the way, this is all fascinating and wonderful. iti and that's wonderful. if you're

in and that's wonderful. if you're m-oemm— and that's wonderful. if you're m-oemm gooe— and that's wonderful. if you're in camp, good for but in that camp, good for you. but that does give the right that does not give you the right to your messaging, that does not give you the right to concern your messaging, that does not give you the right to concern forir messaging, that does not give you the right to concern for tomatoesing, your concern for tomatoes and climate is, gives climate or whatever it is, gives you the right to somehow dictate to else that they to everybody else that they can't work, they can't go can't go to work, they can't go to hospital, they can't get about their business well. i about their business as well. i absolutely agree that absolutely agree with that bout.— absolutely agree with that bout-mow.- absolutely agree with that point. know, just stop oil. point. you know, just stop oil. sav— point. you know, just stop oil.j sey—gowemmemt say they want the government to stop — stop doing contracts for oil and gas— stop doing contracts for oil and ges .— stop doing contracts for oil and ges . wett— stop doing contracts for oil and ges . war, tbey— stop doing contracts for oil and gas . well, they speak for gas. well, they don't speak for me-tom-t— gas. well, they don't speak for me-don't speak- gas. well, they don't speak for. me-don't speak-most me and they don't speak for most remote— me and they don't speak for most beobte-bmeuse— me and they don't speak for most people because whatever people i know because whatever we-to— people i know because whatever we-to wttb— people i know because whatever we - do with with - people i know because whatever we do with with the we want to do with with the egemte— we want to do with with the egemte. tbe — we want to do with with the agenda, the green agenda , and agenda, the green agenda, and been very— agenda, the green agenda, and we've been very diligent over tbe— we've been very diligent over tbe yeers— we've been very diligent over the years improving things which is the years improving things which ts gutte— the years improving things which ts gutte rtgbt— the years improving things which is quite right. would like the is quite right. i would like the government— is quite right. i would like the government to— is quite right. i would like the government to carry doing government to carry on doing eomtreets— government to carry on doing contracts-and- government to carry on doing contracts-and gas- contracts for oil and gas bmuse— contracts for oil and gas because _to, - contracts for oil and gas because-to, ini contracts for oil and gas. because-to, in an because we need to, in an industrialised— because we need to, in an- industrialised—need industrialised nation, we need to-sure— industrialised nation, we need to-sure tbet— industrialised nation, we need to-sure that we- industrialised nation, we need to sure that we can keep to make sure that we can keep tbe— to make sure that we can keep tbe ttgbts— to make sure that we can keep tbe ttgbts-we— to make sure that we can keep the lights we need to the lights on and we need to mete— the lights on and we need to make sure that— the lights on and we need to make sure that we can manufacture- make sure that we can manufacture food and we need to mete— manufacture food and we need to meeet—m- manufacture food and we need to meeet—m ewtutl manufacture food and we need toi make—an awful lot make sure we can do an awful lot of make sure we can do an awful lot ot tbtmgs— make sure we can do an awful lot ot tbtmgs-you- make sure we can do an awful lot of things. _you know,- of things. so today, you know, as of things. so today, you know, es twe— of things. so today, you know, es t-we sett— of things. so today, you know, as i've said on— of things. so today, you know, as i've said on twitter, to just stoo— as i've said on twitter, to just stob ort— as i've said on twitter, to just stop oil stand— as i've said on twitter, to just stop oil stand for— as i've said on twitter, to just stop oil stand for election. if you— stop oil stand for election. if you-you-we- stop oil stand for election. ifj you-you-we-tbe you think that you've got the support— you think that you've got the support ot— you think that you've got the support or tbe— you think that you've got the support of the people, like txttmettom— support of the people, like extinction _you i support of the people, like- extinction-you stand extinction rebellion, you stand for extinction rebellion, you stand tor-eme— extinction rebellion, you stand tor-ere tbem— extinction rebellion, you stand for-and then-seel for election and then just see if for election and then just see tt tbe— for election and then just see tt tbe-ot— for election and then just see if the _of people - for election and then just see if the of people agree for election and then just see if thiyour of people agree for election and then just see if thiyour position. teople agree for election and then just see if thiyour position. but.e agree for election and then just see if thiyour position. but what ee with your position. but what tbey-we — with your position. but what tbey-we _ow-

with your position. but what they've - now and . with your position. but what they've now and i'm not they've done is now and i'm not surbrtset— they've done is now and i'm not surbrtset tbts— they've done is now and i'm not surprised this happened today and surprised this happened today emt rt— surprised this happened today emt tt wes— surprised this happened today emt tt e— surprised this happened today and it was a guy— surprised this happened today and it was a guy in a van with his and it was a guy in a van with bts mete— and it was a guy in a van with bts mete trymg— and it was a guy in a van with his mate trying to— and it was a guy in a van with his mate trying to white van, trymg— his mate trying to white van, trytmg to— his mate trying to white van, man, trying to get to work. and i man, trying to get to work. and t—ere— i just think they are narcissistic- i just think they are narcissistic group of people who just narcissistic group of people who tust tbmt— narcissistic group of people who tust tbtmt tt-s— narcissistic group of people who just think it's great to make everybody-s— just think it's great to make everybody's life— just think it's great to make everybody's life an absolute mtsery— everybody's life an absolute mtsery .— everybody's life an absolute mtsery . tbey— everybody's life an absolute misery. they don't everybody's life an absolute misery . they don't give two misery. they don't give two boots— misery. they don't give two boots wbo-s— misery. they don't give two hoots who's on _ misery. they don't give two hoots who's on the road. they tom-t— hoots who's on the road. they tom-t sere— hoots who's on the road. they don't care whether it's somebody going— don't care whether it's somebody gomg to— don't care whether it's somebody gomg to mboot— don't care whether it's somebody going to school or— don't care whether it's somebody going to school or we've talked ebout— going to school or we've talked about hospitals.— going to school or we've talked about hospitals. we've saw them on about hospitals. we've saw them or tbe— about hospitals. we've saw them or tbe ttzb. — about hospitals. we've saw them or tbe web. we— about hospitals. we've saw them on the m25. we saw all sorts of tbmgs— on the m25. we saw all sorts of tbtmgs tbet— on the m25. we saw all sorts of things that have— on the m25. we saw all sorts of things that have happened. and gutte— things that have happened. and gutte tremtty— things that have happened. and quite frankly, the— things that have happened. and quite frankly, the police have emougb— quite frankly, the police have enough legislation to have errestet— enough legislation to have arrested them— enough legislation to have arrested them within probably five minutes— arrested them within probably five minutes of— arrested them within probably five minutes of them being on. wett— five minutes of them being on. web wbet— five minutes of them being on. web wbet to— five minutes of them being on. well what do you— five minutes of them being on. well what do you make to it? toure— well what do you make to it? voure seemg— well what do you make to it? you're seeing .footage, - well what do you make to it? you're seeing-footage, byl you're seeing that footage, by the some of the the way. look at some of the european countries and the way that police deal with this that their police deal with this josh howie just oil. they josh howie just stop oil. they do not around. just do not mess around. they just rip those people off that street. them way. street. get them off the way. there you i'm showing there you go. i'm showing you some of that. i think some footage of that. i think that think if my that is germany. i think if my memory serves correctly, memory serves me correctly, maybe learn thing or maybe we could learn a thing or two them. decent people all two from them. decent people all impacted financially in so many ways. just let them get about their business, will you guys?

look, that's all i've got time for. thank you. thanks to you at home not anywhere . home too. do not go anywhere. nigel farage up next. good nigel farage is up next. good evening. my nigel farage is up next. good evening . my name is rachel evening. my name is rachel teem— evening. my name is rachel ttmm eme— t; my name is rachel reeves and welcome to your retest— reeves and welcome to your tetest eb— reeves and welcome to your latest gb news— reeves and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brougbt— latest gb news weather forecast brougbt to— latest gb news weather forecast brougbt to you— latest gb news weather forecast brougbt to you by— latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met omoe.— brought to you by the met omoe. so— brought to you by the met office. so as— brought to you by the met office. so as we go through tomtgbt— office. so as we go through tomtgbt. rt— office. so as we go through tonight, it remains pretty setttet— tonight, it remains pretty settled though we will start to seer-m— settled though we will start to seer-m tbe - settled though we will start to see-in the far- see some rain in the far mortbwest— see some rain in the far northwest. and is due to northwest. and this is due to some weather— northwest. and this is due to some weather fronts are some weather fronts that are busbtmg—mortbl some weather fronts that are- pushing—northlthis pushing around the north of this btgb—ts— pushing around the north of this btgb—ts brmgtmgl hiin pressure that is bringing us high pressure that is bringing us—setttet- high pressure that is bringing us settled period of us this pretty settled period of weetber— us this pretty settled period of weather-through. us this pretty settled period of weather through the weather we've had through the weekend— weather we've had through the weekend-into— weather we've had through the weekend-into the- weather we've had through the weekend into the start of weekend and into the start of tbts— weekend and into the start of tbts week.— weekend and into the start of this week. but— weekend and into the start of this week. but looking at the tetett— this week. but looking at the tetett tor— this week. but looking at the detail for tonight, for much of tmgtemt— detail for tonight, for much of tmgtemt eme— detail for tonight, for much of england and wales, will be england and wales, there will be the england and wales, there will be tbe-ot— england and wales, there will be tbe-or stout- england and wales, there will be the of cloud around, the odd patch of cloud around, but—spews- the odd patch of cloud around, but—sbetts tol the odd patch of cloud around,| but—spells to do but plenty of clear spells to do so..some rural— but plenty of clear spells to do so. some rural areas. so. in some rural areas. temperatures- so. in some rural areas. temperatures drop to temperatures could drop to eroum— temperatures could drop to eroumt 2— temperatures could drop to eroumt z to— temperatures could drop to around 2 to 4— temperatures could drop to around 2 to 4 degrees. further momm— around 2 to 4 degrees. further mortb. tbougb— around 2 to 4 degrees. further mortb. tbougb .— around 2 to 4 degrees. further north, though , across northern north, though, across northern retent— north, though, across northern ireland-scotland- north, though, across northern ireland scotland bit ireland and scotland with a bit m tbe— ireland and scotland with a bit more in the way— ireland and scotland with a bit more in the way of cloud and some outbreaks— more in the way of cloud and some outbreaks of rain some outbreaks of light rain across northwest. so across the far northwest. so temperatures—inl across the far northwest. so. temperatures—in the temperatures staying up in the high— temperatures staying up in the high-figures— temperatures staying up in the high-figures or- temperatures staying up in the high figures or low high single figures or low doubte— high single figures or low double-here. - high single figures or low double here. now this double figures here. now this band— double figures here. now this band of— double figures here. now this band of cloud— double figures here. now this band of cloud and rain through the day— band of cloud and rain through the day across— band of cloud and rain through the day across scotland will sink— the day across scotland will sink south— the day across scotland will sink south eastwards mostly. it wm— sink south eastwards mostly. it will be— sink south eastwards mostly. it

will be tight— sink south eastwards mostly. it will be light rain,— sink south eastwards mostly. it will be light rain, but most noticeably— will be light rain, but most noticeably there'll be quite a bit-cloud— noticeably there'll be quite a bit cloud around. so the odd bit of cloud around. so the odd sunny— bit of cloud around. so the odd sunny spen— bit of cloud around. so the odd sunny spell here,— bit of cloud around. so the odd sunny spell here, but further sonn— sunny spell here, but further south across— sunny spell here, but further south across much of england and wales,— south across much of england and wales, n— south across much of england and wales, a dry— south across much of england and wales, a dry fine— south across much of england and wales, a dry fine and bright day winn— wales, a dry fine and bright day nnn plenty— wales, a dry fine and bright day nnn ptenny on— wales, a dry fine and bright day with plenty of lengthy sunny spells,— with plenty of lengthy sunny sneus, nnongn— with plenty of lengthy sunny spells, though it might just feel— spells, though it might just feet a— spells, though it might just feel a little— spells, though it might just feel a little cool around some saassn— feel a little cool around some coasts where— feel a little cool around some coasts where we've got an ansann— coasts where we've got an onshore-still- coasts where we've got an onshore-still .- coasts where we've got an onshore still . now coasts where we've got an- onshore-still . now this onshore breeze still. now this band— onshore breeze still. now this band-nau— onshore breeze still. now this band will continue to band of cloud will continue to make— band of cloud will continue to make ns— band of cloud will continue to make its way— band of cloud will continue to make its way southwards annaanaan— make its way southwards throughout the night. on wednesday— throughout the night. on wednesday and into thursday morning— wednesday and into thursday morning .— wednesday and into thursday morning . sa— wednesday and into thursday manning . so a— wednesday and into thursday morning . so a bit of a cloudier morning. so a bit of a cloudier nann— morning. so a bit of a cloudier nagnn na— morning. so a bit of a cloudier an as sans— morning. so a bit of a cloudier night to come across eastern england— night to come across eastern england ana— night to come across eastern england and wales as well as some central— england and wales as well as some central areas, too. so not nas— some central areas, too. so not nos-na— some central areas, too. so not ass-as stan— some central areas, too. so not ass-as snan an— some central areas, too. so not too to start on thursday too cold to start on thursday nsn,— too cold to start on thursday nsn, nan— too cold to start on thursday here, but behind— too cold to start on thursday here, but behind and that across sauna,— here, but behind and that across scotland, northern— here, but behind and that across scotland, northern ireland and esenn— scotland, northern ireland and esten pans— scotland, northern ireland and western parts of— scotland, northern ireland and western parts of england and wates— western parts of england and wates wttn— western parts of england and wales with some— western parts of england and wales with some clearer skies, temperatures— wales with some clearer skies, temperatures will— wales with some clearer skies, temperatures will just drop a ttttte— temperatures will just drop a ttttte ne— temperatures will just drop a little more readily here. so tnte— little more readily here. so tnte tne— little more readily here. so into the start— little more readily here. so into the start of- little more readily here. so into the start of thursday for nwen — into the start of thursday for mast-un— into the start of thursday for much _uk there - into the start of thursday for much uk there will be much of the uk there will be ntentw— much of the uk there will be ptentw et— much of the uk there will be plenty of clear— much of the uk there will be plenty of clear and bright skies aaunt— plenty of clear and bright skies around further— plenty of clear and bright skies around further east, though, a ttttte— around further east, though, a ttttte att— around further east, though, a little bit more— around further east, though, a little bit more the way of little bit more in the way of ataut— little bit more in the way of etaut ta— little bit more in the way of cloud to start— little bit more in the way of cloud to start thursday morning. but tnts— cloud to start thursday morning. but we wtt— cloud to start thursday morning. but this will start— cloud to start thursday morning. but this will start break up but this will start to break up tnta— but this will start to break up into-afternoon— but this will start to break up into-afternoon .- but this will start to break up into afternoon . so allow for into the afternoon. so allow for sane-spews— into the afternoon. so allow for some-spells and- into the afternoon. so allow for some spells and that some sunny spells and that sunsntne— some sunny spells and that sunshine isn't— some sunny spells and that sunshine isn't going away anwttne—

sunshine isn't going away anwttne saan— sunshine isn't going away anytime soon as we go through the anytime soon as we go through tne-tne— anytime soon as we go through tne-tne-ant- anytime soon as we go through the-the-and into. the rest of the week and into tne— the rest of the week and into. the _temperatures the weekend with temperatures stantng — the weekend with temperatures stantng ta — the weekend with temperatures starting to climb,— the weekend with temperatures starting to climb, especially in the starting to climb, especially in tne sautn— starting to climb, especially in the south, with— starting to climb, especially in the south, with .—

good evening. immigration is dominating the news this week . dominating the news this week. we often talk about the economic benefits or otherwise. tonight, we culture . we ask we discuss culture. we ask a question, is multicultural britain worth buying? we'll also discuss the impact of those figures on the conservatives chances at the next general election. and we're going to reveal just how indebted the country is and what we're paying in interest. but before all of that , let's get the news with that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst. nana nigel,

thank you. good evening.-