i've been looking at that situation in downing street. you might have heard by now that a car went into the gates there. what is going on.7 and migration . have you heard the number? 606,000 people. that is how many our population grew by last year because of net migration . i because of net migration. i mean, come on now. anyone out there, anyone who thinks that this is sustainable, where are you ? you do you exist? get in you? you do you exist? get in touch. if you do. and boris johnson is in trouble again ,

johnson is in trouble again, when is he? not quite frankly. there's many calls now that his honours list should be scrapped. i'm going to ask you, do you agree with that? but also a step further, should we have the honours system at all? is it time of all of it? time to get rid of all of it? quite frankly, and artificial intelligence? you even know intelligence? do you even know what that is? if you do, are you someone that celebrates it saying, going to help saying, yes, it's going to help us? or are you on the other side that whoa, whoa, whoa, be that say, whoa, whoa, whoa, be careful for? what careful what you wish for? what on earth have we unleashed? we'll into all of that and we'll get into all of that and more. but before we do, let's make sure we're up to speed with tonight's headlines. tonight's latest headlines. michelle, thank you. well, the top story this— michelle, thank you. well, the top story this hour,— michelle, thank you. well, the top story this hour, as- m f well, the top story this hour, as you've been— top story this hour, as you've been he....g,_ top story this hour, as you've been hearing, the metropolitan ponce— been hearing, the metropolitan police says— been hearing, the metropolitan police says one— been hearing, the metropolitan police says one person has been arrested— police says one person has been arrested after— police says one person has been arrested after a— police says one person has been arrested after a car— police says one person has been arrested after a car crashed into— arrested after a car crashed into the— arrested after a car crashed into the gates— arrested after a car crashed into the gates of downing street into the gates of downing street in london. — into the gates of downing street in london. armed— into the gates of downing street in london. armed officers arrested— in london. armed officers arrested the— in london. armed officers arrested the man on suspicion of criminal— arrested the man on suspicion of criminal damage— arrested the man on suspicion of criminal damage and dangerous driving— criminal damage and dangerous driving inere— criminal damage and dangerous driving there are— criminal damage and dangerous driving there are no reports at inn— driving there are no reports at inn singe— driving there are no reports at inie siege ei— driving there are no reports at this stage of any— driving there are no reports at

this stage of any injuries and enquiries— this stage of any injuries and enquiries re— this stage of any injuries and enquiries are ongoing . so this enquiries are ongoing. so this is e— enquiries are ongoing. so this is a developing— enquiries are ongoing. so this is a developing story. more ieieiis— is a developing story. more ieieiis es— is a developing story. more details as we— is a developing story. more details as we get it right here. gb details as we get it right here. en news.— details as we get it right here. en news. new— details as we get it right here. gb news. now in— details as we get it right here. gb news. now in other news noisy,— gb news. now in other news today, number— gb news. now in other news today, number ten has refused eeiis— today, number ten has refused eeiis ner— today, number ten has refused calls for rishi _ today, number ten has refused calls for rishi sunak to epoiegise— calls for rishi sunak to apologise, despite failing to esie— apologise, despite failing to reinse nei— apologise, despite failing to reduce net migration , which has reduce net migration, which has is— reduce net migration, which has now risen to record— reduce net migration, which has now risen to record levels . as now risen to record levels. as inn— now risen to record levels. as iiii ssnsn— now risen to record levels. as data shows, migration numbers is— data shows, migration numbers rose to 660,000— data shows, migration numbers rose to 660,000 last year. even iner— rose to 660,000 last year. even niier reneiiei— rose to 660,000 last year. even after repeated government nieiges— after repeated government nieigesis— after repeated government pledges to bring overall numbers isnn— pledges to bring overall numbers isnn. ine— pledges to bring overall numbers down. the immigration minister, issien— down. the immigration minister, issien ienrisr— down. the immigration minister, robert jenrick ,_ down. the immigration minister, robert jenrick , says the robert jenrick, says the government _ robert jenrick, says the government is trying to tackle the government is trying to tackle ine — government is trying to tackle the issue well. _ government is trying to tackle the issue well. mil 3" the issue well. net migration is far too high. this is placing intolerable pressure on public services, on housing supply and our ability to integrate people into our country. the conservative party has made a promise to reduce net migration and we're absolutely determined to do that. well, we've made a very significant intervention this week, which will make a tangible difference reducing the number of student dependents that come to our universities because universities should be in education business, not in the education business, not

the immigration business. well, the immigration business. well, the shadow immigration minister, stephen kinnock says his government policy is to blame for the rise in numbers . the for the rise in numbers. the numbers are too high,- " the numbers are too high, they need to numbers are too high, they need is se— numbers are too high, they need is isnn— numbers are too high, they need to come down and— numbers are too high, they need to come down and the reason iner-re— to come down and the reason iney-re issi— to come down and the reason they've lost control is because iner— they've lost control is because iney iiiiei— they've lost control is because iney iniiei is— they've lost control is because they failed to do— they've lost control is because they failed to do enough to inves— they failed to do enough to invesi in— they failed to do enough to invest in skills— they failed to do enough to invest in skills and talent and career development. aren't here in ine— career development. aren't here in ine un— career development. aren't here in ine iii ,— career development. aren't here in ine iii , ss— career development. aren't here in the uk , so employers are in the uk, so employers are being— in the uk, so employers are ieing isrsei— in the uk, so employers are being forced to— in the uk, so employers are being forced to reach for overseas migrant labour because iner— overseas migrant labour because iney ion-i— overseas migrant labour because iney isn-i neve— overseas migrant labour because they don't have the pipeline of pesnie— they don't have the pipeline of people inni— they don't have the pipeline of people inni re— they don't have the pipeline of people that are ready to come ini— people that are ready to come nni worr— people that are ready to come and work and— people that are ready to come and work and attracted as well to and work and attracted as well is ine— and work and attracted as well to the opportunities that are nere— to the opportunities that are nere in— to the opportunities that are nere in ine— to the opportunities that are here in the uk— to the opportunities that are here in the uk ._ to the opportunities that are here in the uk . well, in other here in the uk. well, in other isiss— here in the uk. well, in other news today, rishi _ here in the uk. well, in other news today, rishi sunak has neissnei— news today, rishi sunak has welcomed the— news today, rishi sunak has welcomed the reduction in the energy— welcomed the reduction in the energy prise— welcomed the reduction in the energy srise capr— welcomed the reduction in the energy price cap, describing it as a major milestone towards his gssi— as a major milestone towards his gssi si— as a major milestone towards his gsni si nsiying— as a major milestone towards his goal of halving inflation. oigenn — goal of halving inflation. oigenn iss— goal of halving inflation. ofgem has announced the typical annual household energy bill will fall to a maximum of £2,074 a year from july. that's a drop of £426, ofgem says the first

price drop in 18 months reflect recent falls in wholesale energy pnces. recent falls in wholesale energy prices . nine recent falls in wholesale energy prices. nine people have recent falls in wholesale energy prices . nine people have been prices. nine people have been arrested over the disorder in cardiff that followed the deaths of two teenagers on monday evening . a 16 year old kyrees evening. a 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans were killed in the ely area of the city while riding an e—bike. the police watchdog is investigating after cctv footage emerged showing a police van following the teens before their deaths. 15 officers were injured and cars were set alight and windows smashed in. the violence that followed . all nine people that followed. all nine people remain in custody on suspicion of rioting . the first minister of rioting. the first minister of rioting. the first minister of scotland has welcomed the police chief constable's statement describing the force as instil nationally racist speech at a meeting of the scottish police authority , sir scottish police authority, sir ian livingstone said people from different backgrounds are not receiving the service they should . his comments come just

should. his comments come just days after the force announced plans to enlist thousands of officers to stamp out discrimination. humza yousaf says racism within police scotland is unacceptable and he'll do everything possible to dismantle it. there is no doubt that institutional racism exists in our society and i want to take a moment just to say that as a person of colour, the statement from the chief constable is monumental, historic. i remember raising issues around— " it. i remember raising issues around racism in the ssiise— issues around racism in the ssiise isrse— issues around racism in the police force. strathclyde isiise— police force. strathclyde gorge, ss— police force. strathclyde police, as it— police force. strathclyde police, as it was back then, nnen— police, as it was back then, nnen i— police, as it was back then, nnen i nes— police, as it was back then, when i was stopped and searched over a dozen times— when i was stopped and searched over a dozen times as a young isy— over a dozen times as a young isy .— over a dozen times as a young isy . isn— over a dozen times as a young isy . nsn in— over a dozen times as a young boy. now in international over a dozen times as a young boy . now in international news, boy. now in international news, the boy. now in international news, ine wigner— boy. now in international news, the wagner mercenary group have sisriei— the wagner mercenary group have started withdrawing from the ukrainian— started withdrawing from the ukrainian city— started withdrawing from the ukrainian city of bakhmut, nsniing— ukrainian city of bakhmut, handing over— ukrainian city of bakhmut, handing over its positions now to handing over its positions now is isnssisn— handing over its positions now to russian forces. f to russian forces. bachner's leader yevgeny prigozhin announced that the capture of the eastern city five days ago

after one of the longest and bloodiest battles of the war. ukraine's deputy defence minister has confirmed that regular russian troops have started replacing wagner forces on the outskirts of the devastated city. their mercenaries, however , do remain mercenaries, however, do remain inside bakhmut. mercenaries, however, do remain inside bakhmut . and police in inside bakhmut. and police in portugal have confirmed the searches near a reservoir in relation to the disappearance of madeleine mccann . they have now madeleine mccann. they have now officially concluded and portuguese, german and british officers have been investigating a remote area near the algarve coastal resort where madeleine mccann went missing in two thousand and seven. a source close to the investigation says there's nothing to report . after there's nothing to report. after three days of searches , the three days of searches, the authorities will now take any materials found to germany for testing . you're up to date on testing. you're up to date on tv, online , dab+ radio and the tv, online, dab+ radio and the tune in app . this is gb news. tune in app. this is gb news. britain's news .

britain's news. channel thanks, polly. our britain's news. channel- . thanks, polly. our michelle - thanks, polly. our michelle denierry niin— dewberry with you till 7:00 isnigni. — dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. daniel— dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. daniel moylan, peer tonight. daniel moylan, the peer in—isris— tonight. daniel moylan, the peer in—isris is- tonight. daniel moylan, the peer in_lords is with- in the house of lords is with me, as is aaron— in the house of lords is with me, as is aaron bastani, the isnnier— me, as is aaron bastani, the isnnier si— me, as is aaron bastani, the founder of novara media. and not just founder of novara media. and not insi ns— founder of novara media. and not insi iis inne— founder of novara media. and not just us three, course. just us three, of course. isnigni— just us three, of course.- tonight—what just us three, of course.- tonight_what is on tonight you at home. what is on ysnr— tonight you at home. what is on ysnr ninie— tonight you at home. what is on your mind? -touch.- tonight you at home. what is on your mind? touch. gb your mind? get in touch. gb views— your mind? get in touch. gb views si— your mind? get in touch. gb views at cbnnews.com is the ensi— views at cbnnews.com is the email address— views at cbnnews.com is the email address or— views at cbnnews.com is the email address or you can tweet ne— email address or you can tweet ne si— email address or you can tweet ne ii in— email address or you can tweet me at gb news.— email address or you can tweet me at gb news. now as you've insi— me at gb news. now as you've insi seen— me at gb news. now as you've just been hearing— me at gb news. now as you've just been hearing there, ssneining— just been hearing there, something that just happened in the something that just happened in ine insi— something that just happened in ine issi nsnr— something that just happened in the last hour or— something that just happened in the last hour or so. a man has seen— the last hour or so. a man has been arrested— the last hour or so. a man has been arrested after— the last hour or so. a man has been arrested after his car hit ine— been arrested after his car hit ine nsn— been arrested after his car hit the main gates— been arrested after his car hit the main gates of— been arrested after his car hit the main gates of downing sneer.— the main gates of downing street. armed— the main gates of downing street. armed officers there srresiei— street. armed officers there arrested him _ street. armed officers there arrested him on— street. armed officers there arrested him on suspicion of srininsi— arrested him on suspicion of criminal damage and dangerous iriving— criminal damage and dangerous iriving .— criminal damage and dangerous iriying . inere— criminal damage and dangerous driving . there were no injuries, driving. there were no injuries, nsssreniiy— driving. there were no injuries, apparently. prime— driving. there were no injuries, apparently. prime minister rishi snnsr— apparently. prime minister rishi snnar was— apparently. prime minister rishi sunak was there,— apparently. prime minister rishi sunak was there, but with all the sunak was there, but with all we iaiesi, — sunak was there, but with all the latest, darren mccaffrey. essi— the latest, darren mccaffrey. essi evening,— the latest, darren mccaffrey. good evening, darren. what more can good evening, darren. what more ysn— good evening, darren. what more ysn ieii— good evening, darren. what more ysn ieii nsn— good evening, darren. what more can you tell us? yeah, very good evening,— can you tell us? yeah, very good evening, michelle. _ can you tell us? yeah, very good evening, michelle. \ can can you tell us? yeah, very good evening, michelle. \r can evening, michelle. normality is somewhat returning here to whitehall to the centre of government after hugh soledar run 420 this afternoon. a car

collided. that's the word that the metropolitan police have used the gate of used with the main gate of downing street, a man was very quickly arrested and looking at social media. he appears to be a middle aged white man and that he has and been arrested . he's he has and been arrested. he's been questioned by the police. but no one was injured in the incident. now, if you look through the footage that has appeared on social media time and time again over the last couple of hours or so , the car couple of hours or so, the car did not ram the gates of downing street. in fact, it seemed to move effectively from this end here of whitehall. so you can see the traffic travels in each direction back and forth. but it came from the other gates. those are the gates of the ministry of defence. it drove probably about 3 or 4mph. it seems , towards the 3 or 4mph. it seems, towards the gates of number 10 downing street to the point where the police didn't seem that they were going to treat this. and we've seen this since as if it was a major incident, was a

deliberate or not. that will be clearly one of the decisions. and one of the investigations. the police will be looking into. as you say, the prime minister was in downing street at the time. from social time. footage again from social media motorcade media shows that his motorcade seemed have downing seemed to have left downing street shortly the street shortly after the incident. clearly there would have concerns about the have been concerns about the motivation of what happened today , very this feels today, but very much this feels like a isolated incident with one arrested and being one man arrested and being questioned by police. no one was injured. and even though we can't get as close as you normally could get to downing street, things as you can see with the traffic and people being to move around or with the traffic and people beingto to move around or with the traffic and people beingto relative ove around or with the traffic and people beingto relative normalityj or with the traffic and people beingto relative normality here, back to relative normality here, quite difficult to try and judge what the motivation might have been or indeed whether this was deliberate at all in the first place, given the speed at which the car was driving. but in the end, as i say , it appears to be end, as i say, it appears to be an isolated incident. police not treating it as a incident treating it as a major incident . but clearly at the time when it happened, there would have been quite a lot of concern.

thanks for that update, darren. i'll leave you to it. i have to say,— i'll leave you to it. i have to say, i— i'll leave you to it. i have to say, i was— i'll leave you to it. i have to say, i was looking- i'll leave you to it. i have to say, i was looking at this nnisiiing— say, i was looking at this unfolding on— say, i was looking at this unfolding on social media and the unfolding on social media and we ines— unfolding on social media and the likes. i've— unfolding on social media and the likes. i've seen lots of sins— the likes. i've seen lots of sins si— the likes. i've seen lots of clips of what's— the likes. i've seen lots of clips of what's occurred and, you— clips of what's occurred and, ysn insw — clips of what's occurred and, you know, descriptions such as a car rammed, a car— you know, descriptions such as a car rammed, a car smashed, all anis— car rammed, a car smashed, all we wini— car rammed, a car smashed, all we rini si— car rammed, a car smashed, all this kind of stuff.— car rammed, a car smashed, all this kind of stuff. so it was gniie— this kind of stuff. so it was quite refreshing then to hear darren— quite refreshing then to hear darren wini— quite refreshing then to hear darren kind of— quite refreshing then to hear darren kind of describe it assnraieiy— darren kind of describe it accurately as— darren kind of describe it accurately as it was, because i issrei— accurately as it was, because i issrei ai— accurately as it was, because i issrei ai ii— accurately as it was, because i looked at it and— accurately as it was, because i looked at it and i— accurately as it was, because i looked at it and i hope this is nsi— looked at it and i hope this is nsi gsing— looked at it and i hope this is nsi gsing is— looked at it and i hope this is nsi gsing is ie— looked at it and i hope this is not going to be my michael iisnnan.— not going to be my michael fishman. remember when he sreiisiei— fishman. remember when he predicted things— fishman. remember when he predicted things wrongly? but to me i— predicted things wrongly? but to me i insi— predicted things wrongly? but to me it just looked— predicted things wrongly? but to me it just looked like some ieiia— me it just looked like some ieiia nai— me it just looked like some fella had taken— me it just looked like some fella had taken a wrong turn. ani— fella had taken a wrong turn. ani-ai— fella had taken a wrong turn. ani-ai inai- fella had taken a wrong turn. and-at that and- and i looked at that and i insngni,— and i looked at that and i thought, you're- and i looked at that and i thought, you're going to be in irsniie— thought, you're going to be in trouble-missus- thought, you're going to be in trouble missus when trouble with your missus when you— trouble with your missus when ysn-nsne— trouble with your missus when you home tonight, look you get home tonight, love. look at you get home tonight, love. look ai—inai— you get home tonight, love. look ai—inai yne- at the carnage that you've sreaiei— at the carnage that you've created-among- at the carnage that you've created among the at the carnage that you've- created-among the media created in and among the media and created in and among the media ani sssiai— created in and among the media and social-and- created in and among the media and social-and the- created in and among the media and social and the like. and social media and the like. anyway— and social media and the like.. anyway—iii anyway what do you make to it? wen,— anyway what do you make to it? mg, i— anyway what do you make to it? mg, i rainer— anyway what do you make to it? well, i rather agree with you. it well, i rather agree with you. ii issis— well, i rather agree with you. ii issis nie— well, i rather agree with you. it looks like a— well, i rather agree with you. it looks like a bit— well, i rather agree with you. it looks like a bit of- well, i rather agree with you. it looks like a bit of a- well, i rather agree with you. it looks like a bit of a damp squib, doesn't it? i mean, you know, earthquake in chile. know, small earthquake in chile. not car drives very not many hurt car drives very slowly into the gates are slowly into the gates that are very those very strong. and those gates would much bigger would see off a much bigger vehicle at a at a higher vehicle going at a at a higher speed. and no great damage done.

it might be bit nobody hurt it might be a bit nobody hurt a car still left there for some reason. i don't know why. maybe mainly so that we can sit and talk about it. probably. well, that might be it. you see, aaron. well, maybe one of these many— aaron. well, maybe one of these nany resear— m" well, maybe one of these many repeat offenders we w“ well, maybe one of these many repeat offenders we have in the house— many repeat offenders we have in the house ef— many repeat offenders we have in the house of parliament, not of course, established an esteemed lore—seme- course, established an esteemed lore—some of lord moreland here, but some of the—they- lord moreland here, but some of. the—they-heve the mps, perhaps they could have a the mps, perhaps they could have eeemmuniey— the mps, perhaps they could have a community service order and have— a community service order and have ee— a community service order and have to repay— a community service order and have to repay gates. have to repay at the gates. honestly— have to repay at the gates. teneetty ._ have to repay at the gates. honestly i can— have to repay at the gates. honestly i can just imagine someone sitting at home watching the — someone sitting at home watching the tang— someone sitting at home watching the news. hang on— someone sitting at home watching the news. hang on a— someone sitting at home watching the news. mg cit" the news. hang on a minute. that's bryant. that's our brian's car. that's our brian. what's he doing? he's only supposed to be picking up his dry cleaning. and look at him. he's over telly. i can he's all over telly. i can imagine that going on. anyway, jokes glad, of jokes aside, i'm very glad, of course, nobody injured jokes aside, i'm very glad, of co that nobody injured jokes aside, i'm very glad, of co that city nobody injured jokes aside, i'm very glad, of co that city situation. injured jokes aside, i'm very glad, of co that city situation. butnjured jokes aside, i'm very glad, of co that city situation. but for'ed in that city situation. but for now, i shall leave that there. if there are any developments, you will be the first to hear about it. worry not. but shall we just move on to our top story tonight? back in 2004, when the eu expanded , the then prime eu expanded, the then prime minister, tony blair, had the not so bright idea to

immediately open up the uk labour market to our newfound friends, the prediction was top end would get about, i don't know , an additional annual net know, an additional annual net migration increase of about 13,000. what actually happened was something which changed the fabnc was something which changed the fabric of the uk. i would argue forever. predictions were eemptetety— predictions were completely catastrophic . i mean completely catastrophic. i mean they— completely catastrophic. i mean they wee— completely catastrophic. i mean they wrong— completely catastrophic. i mean they were wrong by a factor of teh— they were wrong by a factor of teh hehee. — they were wrong by a factor of ten inches. other— they were wrong by a factor of ten inches. other words, it ween-t— ten inches. other words, it wasn't 13,000. _ ten inches. other words, it wasn't 13,000. it was something the— wasn't 13,000. it was something the home— wasn't 13,000. it was something the hoeoo ,— wasn't 13,000. it was something like 130,000 , and _ wasn't 13,000. it was something like 130,000 , and towns and like 130,000, and towns and etttee— like 130,000, and towns and cities changed— like 130,000, and towns and cities changed and surprise, ewhehe— cities changed and surprise, ewhtee weeee— cities changed and surprise, surprise, wages were battered. thanke— surprise, wages were battered. ththte. et— surprise, wages were battered. thanks, of course— surprise, wages were battered. thanks, of course ,_ surprise, wages were battered. thanks, of course , to- surprise, wages were battered. thanks, of course , to the- surprise, wages were battered. thanks, of course , to the advent thanks, of course, to the advent of things like the cheap polish plumbers and the like. and if anyone dared to raise them much as an eyebrow about any of this, you got this good. and it's very nice you got this good. and it's very te— you got this good. and it's very to e— you got this good. and it's very te wee.— you got this good. and it's very nice to see you. take- gtzzt g: and it's very nice to see you. take care. ththte— nice to see you. take care. ththte .— nice to see you. take care. thanks , gordon— nice to see you. take care. " (10 t: " that nice to see you. take care. 03" that was thanks, gordon. that was a theeetet— thanks, gordon. that was a theeetet .— thanks, gordon. that was a disaster . oh— c: that was a disaster . oh everything. she disaster. oh everything. she teet— disaster. oh everything. she twet te— disaster. oh everything. she twet te ee— disaster. oh everything. she just is so bigoted . woman said just is so bigoted. woman said we— just is so bigoted. woman said ehe teet— just is so bigoted. woman said ehe weet te— just is so bigoted. woman said she used to be— just is so bigoted. woman said she used to be a— just is so bigoted. woman said she used to be a labour. just is so bigoted. woman said she used to be a labour . she used to be a labour. i mean, it's she used to be a labour. i mean, he just— she used to be a labour. i mean, it's just ridiculous . yeah.- she used to be a labour. c ” t: f yeah. that it's just ridiculous. yeah. that was our very own—

it's just ridiculous. yeah. that was our very own then- c ” t: f yeah. that was our very own then prime whtetet— was our very own then prime minister gordon— was our very own then prime minister gordon brown, calling you minister gordon brown, calling we a— minister gordon brown, calling we a wet. — minister gordon brown, calling you a bigot. remember that? when— you a bigot. remember that? gillian duffy— you a bigot. remember that? gillian duffy 7— you a bigot. remember that? gillian duffy ? oh, well, never gillian duffy? oh, well, never hhtt— gillian duffy? oh, well, never hht. the— gillian duffy? oh, well, never mind. the tories— gillian duffy? oh, well, never mind. the tories were soon on the— mind. the tories were soon on the wee— mind. the tories were soon on the wtth— mind. the tories were soon on the case with promises like the— the case with promises like thte we— the case with promises like this, we would— the case with promises like this, we would like to see net thhtwetteh— this, we would like to see net immigration in— this, we would like to see net immigration in the tens of theweehte— immigration in the tens of thousands rather than the hwhttete— thousands rather than the hundreds of— thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands. it?" c hundreds of thousands. i don't ththt— hundreds of thousands. i don't think unrealistic. that's think that's unrealistic. that's the since then we've had the well, since then we've had promises and promises and promises and promises and promises and promises and promises and we've had a brexit referendum. if you me in referendum. if you ask me in a pert,— referendum. if you ask me in a hwt, e— "tzflzrtzr�*cl. if you ask me in a massive part, a reaction to the ettewheth— massive part, a reaction to the ettewheth et— massive part, a reaction to the aftermath of 2004, can take aftermath of 2004, we can take teet— aftermath of 2004, we can take tech-we— aftermath of 2004, we can take tech-we wee- aftermath of 2004, we can take back we were promised , back control. we were promised, atte— back control. we were promised, wee—theee- back control. we were promised, alas, these promises alas, once again, these promises tweet— alas, once again, these promises twhet ewt— alas, once again, these promises turned out te— alas, once again, these promises turned out to be— alas, once again, these promises turned out to be pie in the sky. why— turned out to be pie in the sky. whw wett— turned out to be pie in the sky. why wett, et— turned out to be pie in the sky. why wett, at t— turned out to be pie in the sky. why well, at a time when, let's thee— why well, at a time when, let's teee w,— why well, at a time when, let's the w, pretty— why well, at a time when, let's face it, pretty much nothing in the th— face it, pretty much nothing in the wt wet-ehe — face it, pretty much nothing in the uk works. we— face it, pretty much nothing in the uk works. we can pick a ehete— the uk works. we can pick a single example— the uk works. we can pick a single example of the health eeet— single example of the health eeet tt-e— single example of the health sector. it's now— single example of the health sector. it's now impossible to get— sector. it's now impossible to get-appointment. sector. it's now impossible to get appointment, get a doctor's appointment, ten-t— get a doctor's appointment, tent-wette- get a doctor's appointment, isn't-you're more. get a doctor's appointment, isn't you're more likely isn't it? and you're more likely to isn't it? and you're more likely te-the— isn't it? and you're more likely te-the tech— isn't it? and you're more likely to-the loch ness- isn't it? and you're more likely to the loch ness monster to see the loch ness monster then— to see the loch ness monster then-e— to see the loch ness monster than-a dentist.- to see the loch ness monster than a dentist. but than you are a dentist. but nonetheless, _ than you are a dentist. but nonetheless, it— than you are a dentist. but nonetheless, it emerged today thet— nonetheless, it emerged today thetlthe — nonetheless, it emerged today thetlthe teet— nonetheless, it emerged today that the past year alone, our that in the past year alone, our eeewtetteh— that in the past year alone, our eeewtetteh hee— that in the past year alone, our population has swelled by a massive and— population has swelled by a massive and a— population has swelled by a massive and a record 660,000. thehte— massive and a record 660,000. thehte te— massive and a record 660,000. thehte te het— massive and a record 660,000. thanks to net migration. that's , tw— thanks to net migration. that's , by the— thanks to net migration. that's more , by the way,— thanks to net migration. that's more , by the way, than the more, by the way, than the eeewetteh— more, by the way, than the population of— more, by the way, than the population of manchester. for ewtee,— population of manchester. for context, that—

population of manchester. for context, that figure in 1997, when— context, that figure in 1997, when hteh— context, that figure in 1997, when blair came into power was wet— when blair came into power was wet eeooe— when blair came into power was just 48,000. and— when blair came into power was just 48,000. and in— when blair came into power was just 48,000. and in the understatement of the century , understatement of the century, the hweehe— understatement of the century, the numbers are— understatement of the century, the numbers are too high. . the numbers are too high. it's as white— the numbers are too high. it's as ethete ee— the numbers are too high. it's as simple as that.— the numbers are too high. it's as simple as that. and- the numbers are too high. it's as simple as that. and i- the numbers are too high. it's as simple as that. and i want to bnng as simple as that. and i want to bring them down again. yes rishi, you are indeed correct. those numbers are too high. we need— those numbers are too high. we need eh— those numbers are too high. we need an immediate cap on thhtwetteh— need an immediate cap on immigration volume. and for the wtehee— immigration volume. and for the wtehee et— immigration volume. and for the wtehee et yew— immigration volume. and for the wishes of your electorate to be teeeeetet. — wishes of your electorate to be respected. -and _ wishes of your electorate to be respected. and you will be respected. phil and you will be wetet— respected. phil and you will be wetet ewt— respected. phil and you will be voted out quicker— respected. phil and you will be voted out quicker than you were not voted out quicker than you were het teeth— voted out quicker than you were not really voted— voted out quicker than you were not really voted in— voted out quicker than you were not really voted in in the first eteee— not really voted in in the first the. ahe— not really voted in in the first the. we ee— not really voted in in the first place. and as you— not really voted in in the first place. and as you say, it's as white— place. and as you say, it's as ethete ee— place. and as you say, it's as simple as that,— place. and as you say, it's as simple as that, isn't it? do you thht— simple as that, isn't it? do you thht e— simple as that, isn't it? do you thht e ete— simple as that, isn't it? do you think a cap immigration ? think a cap immigration? ian teth— think a cap immigration? ian veeh. ._ think a cap immigration? ian veeh. . ththt— think a cap immigration? ian yeah, i think we— think a cap immigration? ian yeah, i think we need- think a cap immigration? ian yeah, i think we need to- think a cap immigration? ian yeah, i think we need to break down the figures a little bit. i think first of all, you've got some like ukraine and hong kong where we've reached out and said, you're welcome here because of the difficulties. that's a big chunk. you've that's quite a big chunk. you've got another which is got another chunk, which is students . and there we've really students. and there we've really got look at the question, you got to look at the question, you know, our university sector know, is our university sector a broken model if it's dependent so heavily on foreign students andisnt so heavily on foreign students and isn't doing enough for

people at home and the third big chunkis people at home and the third big chunk is people coming here to work and we're inviting i'm not criticising them. we're inviting them in. we're allowing them in. and we're doing it because business will not adjust to the brexit mandate from the people which was that you need to develop a different business model which is not dependent on constant supplies of cheap laboun constant supplies of cheap labour. you need to invest in skills or i'll talk about the government investing in skills. employers invest in, employers need to invest in, skills need to invest in skills they need to invest in automation and they need to invest in innovation. they need to realise that those days have gone, but instead the government has indulged them and the office for budget responsibility , which for budget responsibility, which seems to be running the show since liz truss they got rid of liz truss, they our model demands higher immigration because they're model, they're, they're wonky model a bit like neil ferguson's wonky model . the neil ferguson's wonky model. the more immigration you put into it , the richer we all look and that just isn't true. it might be true the country is a bit

fichen be true the country is a bit richer, but per head we are not richer, but per head we are not rich . that's right. yeah. and as rich. that's right. yeah. and as i rich. that's right. yeah. and as . ee— rich. that's right. yeah. and as t eehtw— rich. that's right. yeah. and as i was gently hinting— ti that's right. yeah. and as i was gently hinting at i that's right. yeah. and as i was gently hinting at there, i do i was gently hinting at there, i te t— i was gently hinting at there, i te t htehe— i was gently hinting at there, i te t htehe e— i was gently hinting at there, i do i blame a lot— i was gently hinting at there, i do i blame a lot of the origins of do i blame a lot of the origins et thte— do i blame a lot of the origins et thte. teet— do i blame a lot of the origins of this. back to— do i blame a lot of the origins of this. back to that 2004 teeteteh — of this. back to that 2004 decision under— of this. back to that 2004 decision under the blair government— decision under the blair government .- decision under the blair government . and i think that government. and i think that eetwetw— government. and i think that actually changed people's ettttwtee— actually changed people's attitudes. if— actually changed people's attitudes. if you like, because i attitudes. if you like, because tthht— attitudes. if you like, because i think these— attitudes. if you like, because i think these days, if you dare etee— i think these days, if you dare raise an objection, ah , and to raise an objection, ah, and to whether— raise an objection, ah, and to whether he— raise an objection, ah, and to whether it's mass— raise an objection, ah, and to whether it's mass migration, whether— whether it's mass migration, whether he— whether it's mass migration, whether it's asylum seeking, whether— whether it's asylum seeking, whether he— whether it's asylum seeking, whether it's trying to control yew— whether it's trying to control wew — whether it's trying to control your own borders, you are tehettet— your own borders, you are labelled racist— your own borders, you are labelled racist ,- your own borders, you are labelled racist, xenophobic, hteetet— labelled racist, xenophobic, hteetet ,— labelled racist, xenophobic, bigoted , etcetera. and it isn't bigoted, etcetera. and it isn't thet— bigoted, etcetera. and it isn't thet et— bigoted, etcetera. and it isn't thet et ett. — bigoted, etcetera. and it isn't that at all. it's— bigoted, etcetera. and it isn't that at all. it's people look at thew— that at all. it's people look at their communities , they look at their communities, they look at their communities, they look at the etteh— their communities, they look at the strain and— their communities, they look at the strain and drain on things the— the strain and drain on things the the— the strain and drain on things like the public— the strain and drain on things like the public sector's . the like the public sector's. the heetth— like the public sector's. the heetth wee— like the public sector's. the health was one— like the public sector's. the health was one that i gave an exempte— health was one that i gave an example et— health was one that i gave an example of and— health was one that i gave an example of and you know, they're not example of and you know, they're het heeew— example of and you know, they're het heeew wtth— example of and you know, they're het heeew wtth ht.— example of and you know, they're not happy with it. that's not whet— not happy with it. that's not whet thew— not happy with it. that's not what they wanted. that's not whet—tet- - what they wanted. that's not what—for. well,l what they wanted. that's not. what—for. well, i'm what they voted for. well, i'm sure some people are sure some some people are racist, i would agree that racist, but i would agree that the overwhelming majority of them course, some them won't be. of course, some some in society are some people in society are racist and bigoted, but to pick up you said moment up on what you said a moment ago, know, heard from the ago, you know, we heard from the imf the projections around ago, you know, we heard from the imf in:he projections around ago, you know, we heard from the imf in thistrojections around ago, you know, we heard from the imf in thistrojectiorareround ago, you know, we heard from the imf in thistrojectiorare going growth in this country are going

to be 0.4% this year. and jeremy hunt was going, wow, look, but it's to say 600,000 it's important to say 600,000 people. mean? it people. what does that mean? it means population means our population is increasing so per increasing by 0.9. so on a per capha increasing by 0.9. so on a per capita basis, we're getting poorer. talk about poorer. and then to talk about the just mentioned, the things you just mentioned, health absolutely. health service, absolutely. i would also add housing. you know, you're the know, you're adding the population the population of manchester to the country. build enough country. we don't build enough houses as it it clearly is a houses as it is. it clearly is a problem. and i think can't problem. and i think you can't ignore that whether you're on the it's the left or the right, it's clearly i'd want clearly a problem. um, i'd want to sort of break it down a little bit, though. so for instance, i would say even if you think should have you think we should have immigration of immigration in the tens of thousands 2023 thousands today, in 2023 or 2024, nhs will collapse. and 2024, the nhs will collapse. and as moylan hinted, our as as lord moylan hinted, our university , our higher university system, our higher education, this country would just not exist anymore . so just not exist anymore. so i think it has to be done in a sensible way. and i think politicians have to be realistic and honest. the public and they're honest, the public. they're not honest, the public. and how they're not and finally, how they're not honest. the is basically honest. the public is basically talking about small boats when there tiny fraction of there is a tiny fraction of what's big issue what's going on. the big issue here perfectly legal here is with perfectly legal economic and rather economic migration and rather than say that the tories are

talking about small boats, but realistically, 90% of that 601 more actually no, but more than it actually no, but let's 90% that 600,000 let's say 90% of that 600,000 figure here perfect legally. figure is here perfect legally. and can stop a lot of it, and they can stop a lot of it, but they choose not to because of, like i say, the growth, the growth factors. one of the these— growth factors. one of the thhee t— growth factors. one of the things i found— g i one of the things i found interesting was my things i found interesting was hw ew— things i found interesting was my own reaction— things i found interesting was my own reaction to this number of my own reaction to this number et eete— my own reaction to this number et eoo ete— my own reaction to this number of 600 odd thousand, because as i of 600 odd thousand, because as t thht— of 600 odd thousand, because as t thht thee— of 600 odd thousand, because as i think there had— of 600 odd thousand, because as i think there had been a lot of eeete— i think there had been a lot of seeds planted— i think there had been a lot of seeds planted and a lot of conversations,— seeds planted and a lot of conversations, a- seeds planted and a lot of conversations, a of dialogue conversations, a lot of dialogue ehe— conversations, a lot of dialogue ehe-et— conversations, a lot of dialogue and-of debate— conversations, a lot of dialogue and of debate around and a lot of debate around expectations— and a lot of debate around expectations being closer to a htttteh. — expectations being closer to a htttteh. se— expectations being closer to a million. so 700— expectations being closer to a million. so 700 to 1 million. i thht— million. so 700 to 1 million. i thht ee— million. so 700 to 1 million. i thht et— million. so 700 to 1 million. i think one of the— million. so 700 to 1 million. i think one of the policy think tente— think one of the policy think tehte et— think one of the policy think tanks or whatever they call themselves,— tanks or whatever they call themselves, that was the kind of there— themselves, that was the kind of ttewe thet— themselves, that was the kind of figure thet thew— themselves, that was the kind of figure that they were, that they the — figure that they were, that they the et— figure that they were, that they were kind of projecting out there.— were kind of projecting out there-t- were kind of projecting out there.-i heard- were kind of projecting out there. i heard the were kind of projecting out- there.-i heard the news there. so when i heard the news ehewt— there. so when i heard the news about 600,000,— there. so when i heard the news about 600,000, my— there. so when i heard the news about 600,000, my initial teeetteh— about 600,000, my initial reaction was,— about 600,000, my initial reaction was, oh, that's not thet— reaction was, oh, that's not thet..— reaction was, oh, that's not thetl ahe— reaction was, oh, that's not that-. and then- reaction was, oh, that's not that-. and then i- reaction was, oh, that's not that . and then i had to give that bad. and then i had to give my heet— that bad. and then i had to give my heet e— that bad. and then i had to give my head a shake.— that bad. and then i had to give my head a shake. i— that bad. and then i had to give my head a shake. i said, hang on a my head a shake. i said, hang on e eet tt— my head a shake. i said, hang on e eet tt te— my head a shake. i said, hang on a second, it is it— my head a shake. i said, hang on a second, it is it is— my head a shake. i said, hang on a second, it is it is absolutely thet— a second, it is it is absolutely thet het. — a second, it is it is absolutely that bad. and— a second, it is it is absolutely that bad. and what's happened is wehe—etewetw- that bad. and what's happened is we're cleverly being we're very clear, cleverly being ewtee—et- we're very clear, cleverly being sucked _of like i sucked into this kind of like midget— sucked into this kind of like nudge, whatever call or nudge, whatever you call it, or pr nudge, whatever you call it, or ht—thet-e- nudge, whatever you call it, or pr_that's made. nudge, whatever you call it, or. pr_that's made us. pr or something that's made us. veeh—

pr or something that's made us. veeh weeh— pr or something that's made us. veeh weeh . — pr or something that's made us. weeh, yeah . het— pr or something that's made us. yeah, yeah . g�*tzrtz; pr or something that's made us. yeah, yeah . stifti; pr or something that's made us. yeah, yeah . yeah, yeah. but there's also the fact. yeah, it is actually, these figures get revised and usually the immigration figures are upwards . so we don't are revised upwards. so we don't even the 600,000 is final. even know the 600,000 is final. i mean, they do more work later and you'll come out with another figure, but nobody will be looking and it looking at it by then. and it might be a higher figure. might well be a higher figure. so, know, we don't know so, you know, we don't know where are are entirely i where we are are entirely i think absolutely think i think you're absolutely right. it can't go on. everybody agrees it can't go on. the question is, do they whether do you think robert jenrick is unhedin you think robert jenrick is united in that sense of actually whereas difficult whereas i think very difficult to see any political figure come out and say that's true, come out and say that's true, come out and say on the telly tonight, 600,000, good, 700,000 better. let's aim for 700,000. nobody's going to be saying that. so they'll all agree that that. so they'll all agree that that figure is unsustainable. the question is whether they're willing to take the hard actions that that needed to that require that needed to bnng that require that needed to bring it down and so far, we haven't seen any evidence of that. now, we did see something from the government this week. whether that any effect. but whether that has any effect. but i think they've to go and

i think they've got to go and actually engage with the businesses. and the businesses. and it's the businesses. and it's the business the worker business problem. the worker problem, than the student problem, rather than the student problem, rather than the student problem worries me. problem that really worries me. when we've seen when you say we've seen eehethhe— when you say we've seen- something-government , something from the government, are something from the government, ere-ehewt— something from the government, ere-ehewt the— something from the government, are about the dependents are you on about the dependents of are you on about the dependents et-teeehtehee— are you on about the dependents of-dependence of— are you on about the dependents of dependence of the of the dependence of the etwtehtee— of the dependence of the students? they of the dependence of the students?-they got students? yeah, they kind of got out students? yeah, they kind of got ewt-eete— students? yeah, they kind of got ewt-eete ewet— students? yeah, they kind of got out gate quick with that out of the gate quick with that —ehete— out of the gate quick with that —ehete tw- out of the gate quick with that —ehete tw ehe- one, didn't they, to try and ew— one, didn't they, to try and eew. het— one, didn't they, to try and say. but what— one, didn't they, to try and say. but what i— one, didn't they, to try and say. but what i find interesting is say. but what i find interesting te-swette— say. but what i find interesting is suella braverman? is where is suella braverman? i t-we het— is where is suella braverman? i mean, i've not heard of her. i'm teet— mean, i've not heard of her. i'm twet teethe— mean, i've not heard of her. i'm twet looking et— mean, i've not heard of her. i'm just looking at her— mean, i've not heard of her. i'm just looking at her twitter and i'm just looking at her twitter and the —hweett.- just looking at her twitter and t-h—hweett. heei i'm just checking myself. has ehe— i'm just checking myself. has ehe eetwetw— i'm just checking myself. has she actually-in- i'm just checking myself. has she actually in touch on she actually been in touch on her— she actually been in touch on her-twtttet— she actually been in touch on her twitter commenting, her own twitter commenting, eehhehthe— her own twitter commenting,- commenting—stuff? commenting on any of this stuff? tetew— commenting on any of this stuff? tetew ehe— commenting on any of this stuff? today she hasn't.— commenting on any of this stuff? today she hasn't. i— commenting on any of this stuff? today she hasn't. i found that odde— today she hasn't. i found that ode-you? — today she hasn't. i found that. odd,-you? -because odd, don't you? well, because she can't any political she can't make any political capital it. that's why capital out of it. that's why all this grandstanding and like i sure i say, look, and i'm sure many viewers gb or people viewers on gb news or people listening on dab really care about the small boats, not about the small boats, i'm not suggesting that people shouldn't care it, there's care about it, but there's a reason braverman reason why suella braverman talks but not talks about that stuff, but not about the overwhelm majority of these you these numbers, which, like you say, coming of say, are coming because of economic migration. legally or students children students or spouses or children or what's the or dependents. so what's the reason minds she's reason in your minds that she's doing that? well, because fundamentally, the university system this country, higher

system in this country, higher education simply does not function without overseas students. there is not the money and the resources there to build all these big buildings for all the senior leadership and execs to get their big paycheques without foreign students . i without foreign students. i mean, has any mean, everybody has any relationship to higher education knows that. i'm not that worried ehewt— knows that. i'm not that worried ehewt thet— knows that. i'm not that worried about their bonuses. _ i'm not that worried about their bonuses. lattice about their bonuses. well, a lot of universities say like, for instance, few instance, i wouldn't mind a few people didn't get bonuses at universities. sure. surprise eeeete— universities. sure. surprise eeeete get— universities. sure. surprise people get bonuses- i. i sure. surprise people get bonuses at universities- people get bonuses at universities anyway. it was etwewe— universities anyway. it was etwewe e— universities anyway. it was always a labour- universities anyway. it was always a labour love. but always a labour of love. but i thht— always a labour of love. but i thht there— always a labour of love. but i think there is— always a labour of love. but i think there is a.— always a labour of love. but i think there is a. that's not true.— think there is a. that's not true. we,— think there is a. that's not true. no, there— think there is a. that's not true. no, there is an important we— true. no, there is an important wheteete— true. no, there is an important vice principals are— true. no, there is an important vice principals are on for tseoeeo. — vice principals are on for £500,000. i- vice principals are on for £500,000. vice principals are on for- £500,000. i know they are labour of the good old of love. yeah. in the good old tewe. — of love. yeah. in the good old tewe. veeh— of love. yeah. in the good old days. yeah-yeah.- of love. yeah. in the good old days. yeah-yeah. do- “43?“ in the good old days. yeah yeah. do you days. yeah sorry. yeah. do you eete-the— days. yeah sorry. yeah. do you care-the higher- care about the higher educational- care about the higher educational system? ttit care about the higher educational system? jtit care about the higher— educational system? do you think that that is almost like a small price if you like, for price to pay if you like, for these big figures? what do you think answer do think the answer is? i do believe that you need to have some form of cap and you need to be that very, very be doing that very, very quickly. but what would you cap? who cap from? who would you cap from? where would cap and what would you would you cap and what would you do the potential skills do about the potential skills shortage? a shortage? speaking of which, a lot say, well,

lot of people will say, well, you need these to come you need these people to come over the jobs because over and do the jobs because british people do them well. why not? are you one of those people that example, that sit there and for example, say, going and say, well, i'm not going out and picking fruit veg and all picking fruit and veg and all the of it? why are we lazy? the rest of it? why are we lazy? i don't know. tell me when i i don't know. you tell me when i come back. another question that's on my mind tonight is bohs that's on my mind tonight is boris bit of hot boris johnson. a bit of hot water? know, some water? as we already know, some people that it's time people are saying that it's time to his honours list or the to scrap his honours list or the people saying, you know what, scrap the whole honours system altogether. stand

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. wette— listening to gb news radio. hette there— listening to gb news radio. hello there . _ listening to gb news radio. hello there . i'm- listening to gb news radio. hello there . it: i hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 alongside me, daniel moylan and aaron bastani keeping me company . we shall come back and comment on that top story there and the immigration one in just a couple of minutes. but i shall move on if you'll indulge me, because bohs if you'll indulge me, because boris johnson. we know, don't we? he's. oh i was going to say he's he's always in he's enjoy he's always in trouble. somebody trouble. when is somebody leaving don't know.

leaving him alone? i don't know. he always seems to be doing something what something wrong anyway. now what they're perhaps they're saying is that perhaps his honours list his resignation honours list basically should be scrapped because allegation around because of the allegation around partygate, etcetera . um, i'll partygate, etcetera. um, i'll start with you because you are a lord after all. what do you think ? should his resignation think? should his resignation list be honoured? well, i want to put this in context. back in the days of the— to put this in context. back in the days of the roman- i i back in the days of the roman empire, whteh— the days of the roman empire, whteh hete— the days of the roman empire, which boris knows all about, there— which boris knows all about, there we— which boris knows all about, there was this— which boris knows all about, there was this thing called the i 90— there was this thing called the t 90 eh— there was this thing called the t ge ett eh— there was this thing called the t ge ett eh et— there was this thing called the i go off air at seven. j a i go off air at seven. don't yew— i go off air at seven. don't yew there-e— i go off air at seven. don't you? there's this- i go off air at seven. j i a 7 there's this thing i go off air at seven. j i . tit7 there's this thing called you? there's this thing called of you? there's this thing called et hehew— you? there's this thing called of memory where _ tit7 there's this thing called of memory where one emperor wewt— of memory where one emperor wewtt eehe— of memory where one emperor wewtt h— of memory where one emperor would come in and the first thhe—thew- would come in and the first thing-they take. would come in and the first. thing-they take the thing they do is they take the weeeeeeeht — thing they do is they take the predecessor. unless it was the fate. — father, they take the predecessor, they'd father, they take the - predecessor,-they'd scrap predecessor, and they'd scrap ewewthhe. — predecessor, and they'd scrap everything-were- everything. statues were emeeheet— everything. statues were smashed, the names were cut out of smashed, the names were cut out et-heehettehe— smashed, the names were cut out of-inscriptions, and- smashed, the names were cut out of inscriptions, and they of the inscriptions, and they put— of the inscriptions, and they eet-eh— of the inscriptions, and they eet-eh thte— of the inscriptions, and they put all this propaganda, put out all this propaganda, got the where— put out all this propaganda, got the writers-write— put out all this propaganda, got the writers write about what the writers to write about what a the writers to write about what ee-eeeh — the writers to write about what ee-eeeh he — the writers to write about what a - person he was - the writers to write about whati a-person he was-so a terrible person he was and so on. a terrible person he was and so ahe— a terrible person he was and so we the— a terrible person he was and so on. and this is— a terrible person he was and so on. and this is what we're eeehe— on. and this is what we'rej seeing—boris on. and this is what we're seeing—boris the seeing happening to boris at the heheht — seeing happening to boris at the moment. -entirely- moment. and it's entirely eetttteet— moment. and it's entirely political.-idea. moment. and it's entirely political. idea that moment. and it's entirely- political.-idea that you political. and the idea that you then— political. and the idea that you then-tet— political. and the idea that you thehltet the— political. and the idea that you then for the people, these then go for the people, these eeeete— then go for the people, these eeeete ee— then go for the people, these people are people who worked for the-whtetet— people are people who worked for the minister downing the prime minister in downing street.— the prime minister in downing street. heet— the prime minister in downing street. most of— the prime minister in downing street. most of them, i don't thew— street. most of them, i don't thew-thew— street. most of them, i don't know .they are. - street. most of them, i don't know-they are. i- street. most of them, i don't know they are. i mean, know who they are. i mean, i heweh-t—

know who they are. i mean, i heweh-t eee— know who they are. i mean, i haven't seen the— know who they are. i mean, i haven't seen the names, but a teetehetteh— haven't seen the names, but a resignation honours list is hermetw— resignation honours list is normally-who- resignation honours list is normally -who for normally people who worked for the— h— normally people who worked for the— tt eeee- the prime minister. it goes heht— the prime minister. it goes heht tewh— the prime minister. it goes right down to— the prime minister. it goes right down to the cleaners and you— right down to the cleaners and wee thew,— right down to the cleaners and you knew the— right down to the cleaners and you know, the security guards wtth— you know, the security guards with different— you know, the security guards with different types honours you know, the security guards withthey're nt types honours you know, the security guards withthey're goingts honours you know, the security guards withthey're goingts betonours you know, the security guards withthey're goingts be punished and they're going to be punished heeewee— because these people are so wetewe— because these people are so wetewe-hehe- because these people are so vicious boris that they'd vicious about boris that they'd the— vicious about boris that they'd the-them- vicious about boris that they'd like -them just- vicious about boris that they'd like them just because like to punish them just because thew—ht— like to punish them just because thew—ht heete- like to punish them just because they—it needs to. they hate him. and it needs to etee— they hate him. and it needs to etee .— they hate him. and it needs to etee , aeeh — they hate him. and it needs to etee , aee t— they hate him. and it needs to stop , aaron. : e�*jigjiiltiil stop, aaron. i broadly agree. i think it's a very slippery slope when we start to say that, oh, well, one prime minister's gone down, their successor should basically undo some key decisions and not, you know, give favours the people that they favoured. i mean , we can't they favoured. i mean, we can't operate like that. so each prime minister successively would treat their predecessor like that. treat their predecessor like that . we have enough dysfunction that. we have enough dysfunction in this country when it comes to politics that i think we probably adding to probably shouldn't be adding to it this when i say it at this point. when i say dysfunction, enmity , discord , dysfunction, enmity, discord, why create more of that? i mean , i have criticisms more broadly of the honours list and how it functions us. and for instance, david cameron i think gave an obe to his hairdresser, something like that. i think i

probably don't think that's quite right. well, it was a very good hairdresser. yeah, but and also it can be unfair sort of also it can be unfair to sort of criticise broader thing criticise a broader thing because example. but in because of one example. but in this i what was your this case i agree. what was your qualification for being made? a lord? know. you have lord? i don't know. you have qualifications for being made lords because sometimes people are honour. are made lords as an honour. like i came in with ian botham and obviously being and he was obviously being honoured for his cricket cricketing he hasn't cricketing skills and he hasn't participated the work of participated much in the work of the lords. and other the house of lords. and other people in working peers. people go in as working peers. and in as a working peer and i went in as a working peer to do the work i do, do the work. it's a full time job for me, for at least a few me, for at least for a few years. and i suppose it's because boris thought i was able to do and to be perfectly to do it. and to be perfectly honest, i am quite reasonably good see, i rather enjoy good at it. see, i rather enjoy it. agree with this it. i don't agree with this principle people do their principle that people do their job and they awarded job and then they get awarded this whatever level this honour of whatever level just for literally doing their job. well, they might have done more than their job. you haven't seen the list yet. and seen who's on the list yet. and i'm talking about historically were talking hairdressers. were talking about hairdressers. he hairdresser. he was very good hairdresser. htght— might deserve an honour. oh, come on. come on. i mean, i know

wee— come on. come on. i mean, i know wee eeh-t— come on. come on. i mean, i know you eeh-t thht— come on. come on. i mean, i know you went thht th— i come on. i mean, i know you don't think i'm struggling to you don't think i'm struggling te tete— you don't think i'm struggling te tete ht— you don't think i'm struggling to take it seriously because i sit to take it seriously because i ett there. — to take it seriously because i sit there. for— to take it seriously because i sit there. ties? to take it seriously because i sit there. for example, liz truss, woman that was in truss, a woman that was in office for 44 days or whatever it was, there or thereabouts, she get resignation she will get a resignation fashion . it's fashion list as well. it's a little bit silly. you need to teet— little bit silly. you need to teet et— little bit silly. you need to teet et the— little bit silly. you need to look at the whole- l e mg you need to look at the whole picture, the whete — look at the whole picture, the whole - system, - look at the whole picture, the. whole -system,-is, whole honours system, which is, whteh— whole honours system, which is, whteh te— whole honours system, which is, whteh te whet— whole honours system, which is, which is what the— whole honours system, which is, which is what the prime hhtetete— which is what the prime ministers get- which is what the prime ministers get in their resignation- ministers get in their resignation on, is a tiny part of resignation on, is a tiny part et whet-e— resignation on, is a tiny part of what's done— resignation on, is a tiny part of what's done in- resignation on, is a tiny part of what's done in the new year's hehewe— of what's done in the new year's hehewe ehe— of what's done in the new year's honours and the— of what's done in the new year's honours and the birthdays honours. than honours. when you have more than teete— honours. when you have more than tooo-eehthe— honours. when you have more than toeo-eehhe ewt— honours. when you have more than 1000-coming out ,- honours. when you have more than 1000 coming out , nearly, 1000 names coming out, nearly, you— 1000 names coming out, nearly, wee—hwhhete- 1000 names coming out, nearly, you—numbers of- 1000 names coming out, nearly, you—numbers of. i 1000 names coming out, nearly,i you—numbers of . so you know, huge numbers of. so i wette— you know, huge numbers of. so i weett eet— you know, huge numbers of. so i weett get the— you know, huge numbers of. so i would get rid of— you know, huge numbers of. so i would get rid of all— you know, huge numbers of. so i would get rid of all of— you know, huge numbers of. so i would get rid of all of it. i- would get rid of all of it. i know you would but you're would get rid of all of it. i- know you would but you're wrong. hege— know you would but you're wrong. huge hweehe— know you would but you're wrong. huge numbers of— know you would but you're wrong. huge numbers of them are people whee— huge numbers of them are people he wettet— huge numbers of them are people who've worked charity, who've who've worked in charity, who've wettet— who've worked in charity, who've worked -local_ who've worked in charity, who've worked local communities. worked in the local communities. thew-te— worked in the local communities. thev're hem — worked in the local communities. they're from .parts_ worked in the local communities. they're from parts the they're from all parts of the eewhtw. — they're from all parts of the eewhtw. tt-e— they're from all parts of the country. it's one— they're from all parts of the country. it's one of the few thhee— country. it's one of the few- thhee—eeeh things that does actually reach out-deliberately- out very deliberately through the—eewhtw. i out very deliberately throughj the—country. it's the whole of the country. it's or the whole of the country. it's et there— the whole of the country. it's et thete ee— the whole of the country. it's or there are people sometimes very— or there are people sometimes very distinguished in their hete— very distinguished in their- ttett—whe-we very distinguished in their- field nobel—who've very distinguished in their field nobel prizes who've very distinguished in their field nobel prizes and who've very distinguished in their field nobel prizes and things ve very distinguished in their field nobel prizes and things like won nobel prizes and things like thet.— won nobel prizes and things like thet-the— won nobel prizes and things like that.-the what- won nobel prizes and things like that.-the what is- won nobel prizes and things like that. the what is the that. what is the what is the hem — that. what is the what is the harm recognising and harm in recognising them and giving— harm in recognising them and giving them— harm in recognising them and giving them giving them some ewt— giving them giving them some eett et— giving them giving them some sort of honour?— giving them giving them some sort of honour? 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it. you can politely reply and say,— it. you can politely reply and eew-het— it. you can politely reply and eey-het hwe- it. you can politely reply and. say,-not have .and say, i'd rather not have it. and if say, i'd rather not have it. and tt ht— say, i'd rather not have it. and tt tt teee— say, i'd rather not have it. and tt tt teee ht— say, i'd rather not have it. and if it does, if it— say, i'd rather not have it. and if it does, if it does mean eehethhe. — if it does, if it does mean something. how it if it does, if it does mean- something. .how-it work something. so how does it work thew— something. so how does it work thehe — something. so how does it work thehe heyhe— something. so how does it work then? maybe. maybe- something. so how does it work then? iii; iii; something. so how does it work then? gtit then? maybe. maybe i've got a maybe. i'm not understanding the full if you're full picture. so if you're honoured to whatever level, can you your house you then wander into your house of lords and get your 300 odd pounds no well, if you're pounds a day? 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well, i think that's their thet— it? well, i think that's their first chamber. _ 07 well, i think that's their first chamber. it's, it's big. tt-e— first chamber. it's, it's big. tt-e e— first chamber. it's, it's big. tt-e e htt— first chamber. it's, it's big. it's a bit bigger- first chamber. it's, it's big. it's a bit bigger than the house of it's a bit bigger than the house et cehhehe— it's a bit bigger than the house of commons. it's— it's a bit bigger than the house of commons. it's seven it's hewty— of commons. it's seven it's hewty eteht— of commons. it's seven it's nearly eight times high. seven hwwtete— nearly eight times high. seven hundreds. the— nearly eight times high. seven hundreds. the house of commons is hundreds. the house of commons te ese.— hundreds. the house of commons te ese. ewt— hundreds. the house of commons te ese. hwt the— hundreds. the house of commons is 650. but the appointments are there— is 650. but the appointments are there tet— is 650. but the appointments are there tee the.— is 650. but the appointments are there for life. we— is 650. but the appointments are there for life. we might not the— there for life. we might not the thet,— there for life. we might not like that, but— there for life. we might not like that, but that's no, i tethttety— like that, but that's no, i definitely don't that. definitely don't like that. i ththt— definitely don't like that. i think they're— definitely don't like that. i think they're i— definitely don't like that. i think they're i think- definitely don't like that. i

think they're i think they're there for life. and there's ewte— there for life. and there's ewte e— there for life. and there's ewte e tet— there for life. and there's quite a lot of— stifti; l ”ti; and there's quite a lot of people who, as they—teh-tl quite a lot of people who, as. they—don't turn quite a lot of people who, as. the and—don't turn quite a lot of people who, as the and they're don't turn quite a lot of people who, as the and they're not don't turn quite a lot of people who, as the and they're not contributing. up and they're not contributing. so up and they're not contributing. se hew— up and they're not contributing. se hew hwy— up and they're not contributing. so how many do— up and they're not contributing. so how many do you need to do the job— so how many do you need to do the job-are?— so how many do you need to do the job-are? thy— so how many do you need to do the job are? my reckoning is the job you are? my reckoning is you-a— the job you are? my reckoning is yew-e hhthwe— the job you are? my reckoning is you-a minimum of- the job you are? my reckoning is you a minimum of 400 to do you need a minimum of 400 to do the job— you need a minimum of 400 to do the job wtth— you need a minimum of 400 to do the job wtth wt— you need a minimum of 400 to do the job with all the— you need a minimum of 400 to do the job with all the legislation ehe— the job with all the legislation we the— the job with all the legislation and the committees and so on. yew— and the committees and so on. vew heet— and the committees and so on. vew heet e— and the committees and so on. you need a minimum and the committees and so on.- you need a minimum -time you need a minimum 400 full time eewtwetehte— you need a minimum 400 full time eewwetehte .— you need a minimum 400 full time equivalents . and— you need a minimum 400 full time equivalents . and in— you need a minimum 400 full time equivalents . and in place like equivalents. and in a place like the hewee— equivalents. and in a place like the hewee et— equivalents. and in a place like the house of lords, you need ehewt— the house of lords, you need ehewt tse— the house of lords, you need ehewt ese te— the house of lords, you need about 750 to get— the house of lords, you need about 750 to get your 400 full the— about 750 to get your 400 full time equivalents.— about 750 to get your 400 full time equivalents. if you don't went— time equivalents. if you don't weht thet,— time equivalents. if you don't want that, have— time equivalents. if you don't want that, have full time eettttetehe— want that, have full time politicians pay them proper eetwtee— politicians pay them proper salaries and— politicians pay them proper salaries and give them staff. we eeh-t— salaries and give them staff. we eeh-t eet— salaries and give them staff. we eeh-t eet ehy— salaries and give them staff. we don't get any staff. _ salaries and give them staff. we don't get any staff. we don't get— don't get any staff. we don't get secretaries— don't get any staff. we don't get secretaries or— don't get any staff. we don't get secretaries or anything like thet.— get secretaries or anything like thet—wett- get secretaries or anything like that. _ staff, give - get secretaries or anything like that. staff, give them that. give them staff, give them wetter— that. give them staff, give them pfopef_d0| proper offices and let them do thet— proper offices and let them do thet ehe— proper offices and let them do thet ehe-hey— proper offices and let them do that and-pay for- proper offices and let them do that and pay for it. while that and then pay for it. well, hee— that and then pay for it. well, hee-the— that and then pay for it. well, he's-the case- that and then pay for it. well, he's-the case for- that and then pay for it. well, he's-the case for the. he's making the case for the continuation of the system as it stands. i don't agree. i'm afraid he didn't convince me. did he convince you at home? he reckons i'm wrong. am i? i don't know. you're wrong about people up know. you're wrong about people we-tewh— know. you're wrong about people we-tewh the. — know. you're wrong about people up-down the. you— you're wrong about people up down the. you said you up and down the. you said you wtth-t— up and down the. you said you ttth-t-et— up and down the. you said you didn't-of people- up and down the. you said you didn't of people up and didn't approve of people up and tewh— didn't approve of people up and tewh-eewhtty— didn't approve of people up and down-country who- didn't approve of people up and down country who are working down the country who are working in down the country who are working h—eehetthee- down the country who are working in people sometimes down the country who are working in people areietimes down the country who are working in people are the nes down the country who are working in people are the people lollipop people are the people the— lollipop people are the people the-thew,— lollipop people are the people like,-know, all— lollipop people are the people like, know, all sorts of like, you know, all sorts of heewe— like, you know, all sorts of eeeete ehe— like, you know, all sorts of people and professors. and i the— people and professors. and i the the— people and professors. and i the the wey— people and professors. and i

like the way he— people and professors. and i like the way he said lollipop heewe— like the way he said lollipop eeeete ehe— like the way he said lollipop people and not— like the way he said lollipop people and not lollipop lady heee— people and not lollipop lady because-have- people and not lollipop lady because have had an because i would have had an .eeh-t— because i would have had an issue. .can't say- because i would have had an issue. 'ti.m e because i would have had an. issue. .can't say what's the issue. you can't say what's the word stereotype these days? very, very, very, very, very, very,— very, very, very, very, very, very, very,— very, very, very, very, very, very, very, yew— very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very right on the wete. — very, very, very right on the wete. hwy— very, very, very right on the woke. tory lord- very, very, very right on the woke. tigt tit”t: “tit?" very, very, very right on the woke. titgt tit”t: “tit?" ti;,te

a so i want to bring you a break. so i want to bring you guys— a break. so i want to bring you ewyelettet— a break. so i want to bring you ewyelettet ht.— a break. so i want to bring you guys-after it. but— a break. so i want to bring you guys after it. but also guys in after it. but i also weht— guys in after it. but i also went te— guys in after it. but i also went te-yew- guys in after it. but i also want to .you as- guys in after it. but i also want to you as well about want to ask you as well about wttttetet— want to ask you as well about artificial intelligence. you artificial intelligence. do you even know what— artificial intelligence. do you even know what that is? you mteht— even know what that is? you might-sentence,- even know what that is? you - might-sentence,-what might hear a sentence, but what is might hear a sentence, but what te—eey- might hear a sentence, but what te—eey ht- might hear a sentence, but what te—eey tt te- is it? some people say it is tehteette— is it? some people say it is fantastic development for memttmt— fantastic development for mankind. other people say ewetwt— mankind. other people say careful what— careful what

on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . hello britain is watching. hello there. i'm michelle- i i g hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping— there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping yew— there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00. demet— keeping you company till 7:00. daniel moylan— keeping you company till 7:00. daniel moylan is— keeping you company till 7:00. daniel moylan is a peer in the hewee— daniel moylan is a peer in the hewee et— daniel moylan is a peer in the house of lords— daniel moylan is a peer in the house of lords alongside me, as is house of lords alongside me, as he twen— house of lords alongside me, as is aaron bastani,— house of lords alongside me, as is aaron bastani, the founder of wewwe— is aaron bastani, the founder of wewwe wette— is aaron bastani, the founder of novara media. we— is aaron bastani, the founder of novara media. we were just tetthe— novara media. we were just talking about— novara media. we were just talking about the honour system. i talking about the honour system. t we— talking about the honour system. t twet— talking about the honour system. twee twet eeyme— talking about the honour system. i was just saying it— talking about the honour system. i was just saying it should be eetwtee— i was just saying it should bei eweeeet.—yew scrapped. so i was asking you guys— scrapped. so i was asking you ewye whet— scrapped. so i was asking you ewye whet yew— scrapped. so i was asking you guys what you think. dave says, hteeee — guys what you think. dave says, heew—them.- please don't scrap them. my tether— please don't scrap them. my tether wee— please don't scrap them. my father was during the father was awarded during the eeweelhte— father was awarded during the course-his raf— father was awarded during the course his raf career and an course of his raf career and an arc— course of his raf career and an we ehe— course of his raf career and an we we e— course of his raf career and an we we e eet.— course of his raf career and an afc and a cbe. i— course of his raf career and an afc and a cbe. i am extremely wewt— afc and a cbe. i am extremely wewt et— afc and a cbe. i am extremely erewt et htm— afc and a cbe. i am extremely erewt et htm .— afc and a cbe. i am extremely proud of him , michel. i will proud of him, michel. i will eweee— proud of him, michel. i will confess though— proud of him, michel. i will confess though as well in the treet— confess though as well in the break, daniel— confess though as well in the break, daniel was saying that he can break, daniel was saying that he wrtte— break, daniel was saying that he wrtte e— break, daniel was saying that he can write a letter— break, daniel was saying that he can write a letter and nominate ee— can write a letter and nominate se t— can write a letter and nominate se t tete— can write a letter and nominate me. so i take it— can write a letter and nominate me. so i take it all— can write a letter and nominate me. so i take it all back. twerythme— me. so i take it all back. everything that i've just said, eeh-t— everything that i've just said, eeh-t eeree— everything that i've just said, don't scrap anything. don't eet— don't scrap anything. don't eet ehy— don't scrap anything. don't cancel any-it.- don't scrap anything. don't cancel any it. because cancel any of it. because eetwetty— cancel any of it. because actually, what— cancel any of it. because actually, what would i be? a tety, — actually, what would i be? a tety, eewe— actually, what would i be? a tety, eewe — actually, what would i be? a

lady, dear? iwill- actually, what would i be? a lady, dear? ii actually, what would i be? a- lady, dear? iwill make you dame lady, dear? i will make you dame michelle. all right. we need lots of michelle. all right. we need tete et heewe— michelle. all right. we need lots of people writing- it: ”g we need lots of people writing in dame hewherry. — lots of people writing in dame dewberry. -there- lots of people writing in dame dewberry. stifti; lots of people writing in dame dewberry. gtit dewberry. yeah, there you go, everyone. all back. everyone. i take it all back. don't scrap it. get your letters in. dewberry . yeah. in. dame dewberry. yeah. fantastic ring to it. i'll get my business cards printed up in anticipation. i'll do a rishi sunak. i'll get the domain purchased. i'll get everything ready to go. i'll have a whole. thank you speech. all ready to go as though i'd kind of planned it somehow . nigel says all it all somehow. nigel says all of these things should be limited, and. and. and most of them to be approved them should need to be approved by parties. by both major political parties. david says, michelle, if you need how wrong the need to know how wrong the system just on the system is, just focus on the fact that tony blair was knighted instead imprisoned knighted instead of imprisoned for war crimes. says the for his war crimes. he says the honours an absolute joke . honours are an absolute joke. lots of you guys getting in touch as well about the immigration thing. lots of you supporting the caps we've just been discussing. bernard saying, yes, it was labour under blair. that was the point that i was trying to make. that really kind of changed things when it comes to numbers. kevin says, i'm not

buying this whole student thing . that is just an excuse. um, surprise , surprise. who is surprise, surprise. who is surprise, surprise. who is surprise as john nobody at all. well, i was a bit surprised that there was lower than i was anticipating. but anyway, i suspect is a good thing. suspect that is a good thing. let's talk artificial intelligence, shall we? you intelligence, shall we? do you even that is? it gets even know what that is? it gets branded around that term quite a lot days, doesn't it? lot these days, doesn't it? there's lots of there's been lots of conversations. prime conversations. the prime minister, been some minister, he's been meeting some of of some of the of the bosses of some of the biggest ai groups talk about biggest ai groups to talk about safety regulation and all safety and regulation and all the rest of it . aaron, you are the rest of it. aaron, you are a man that knows a thing or two about this subject, but not least because of a that least because of a book that i know that you've written, artificial know that you've written, artyou il know that you've written, artyou stand on it? it's a big do you stand on it? it's a big deal do you stand on it? it's a big deal. and for your audience out there,— deal. and for your audience out therelweht— deal. and for your audience out therelweht te — deal. and for your audience out there,iwant to say— : and for your audience out there, want to say that there, i want to say that there-e— there, i want to say that there's two _ there, i want to say that there's two kinds of artificial intelligence— there's two kinds of artificial intelligence need to sort of intelligence we need to sort of thht—the-tel think about here. the first is whet— think about here. the first is whet heewe— think about here. the first is what people - an - think about here. the first is what people an agi, what people call an agi, erttttetet— what people call an agi, artificial general intelligence, the— artificial general intelligence, the-et— artificial general intelligence, thte-et-eh- this idea of being an existential- existential threat. so people hwe— existential threat. so people have - matrix - existential threat. so people have-matrix or- existential threat. so people have matrix or skynet have seen the matrix or skynet ehe— have seen the matrix or skynet and terminator. _ have seen the matrix or skynet and terminator. i and terminator. i've never seen any of those. okay. so the- and terminator. " my okay. so the idea any of those. okay. so the idea of any of those. okay. so the idea et eh— any of those. okay. so the idea et en et— any of those. okay. so the idea of an all powerful— my okay. so the idea of an all powerful machine eeeehte—

of an all powerful machine capable augmenting its capable of augmenting its own htettteehee— intelligence, superhuman intelligence _ intelligence, superhuman intelligence park that because it intelligence park that because tt mteht— intelligence park that because it might-happen- intelligence park that because it might happen . intelligence park that because it might happen. but intelligence park that because it might happen . but that's it might not happen. but that's the-thet— it might not happen. but that's the -that they're- it might not happen. but that's the that they're talking the thing that they're talking ehewt— the thing that they're talking. about—extension about with regards to extension rtet. — about with regards to extension rtet. _howevehl risk. something else, however, whteh— risk. something else, however, which—relevant- risk. something else, however, which—relevant to i which is far more relevant to ewerytey— which is far more relevant to everyday-what's- which is far more relevant to everyday what's called everyday lives is what's called meehme— everyday lives is what's called machine learning.— everyday lives is what's called machine learning. and that's the the— machine learning. and that's the kind-artificial— machine learning. and that's the kind artificial intelligence kind of artificial intelligence whteh— kind of artificial intelligence which-coming— kind of artificial intelligence which coming for basically which is coming for basically anv— which is coming for basically ehy-whteh— which is coming for basically ehy-whteh te— which is coming for basically any which is repetitive and any job which is repetitive and rettee— any job which is repetitive and rettee eh— any job which is repetitive and relies on lots— any job which is repetitive and relies on lots of— any job which is repetitive and relies on lots of information whteh— relies on lots of information whteh eh— relies on lots of information which can range— relies on lots of information which can range from driving wtth— which can range from driving with self—driving cars . that's with self—driving cars. that's a rehe— with self—driving cars. that's a heme-em— with self—driving cars. that's a long-offlthings- with self—driving cars. that's a long off things like long way off to things like accountancy,— long way off to things like accountancy, legal services . so accountancy, legal services. so ai, accountancy, legal services. s0 a., whether— accountancy, legal services. so ai, whether or— accountancy, legal services. so ai, whether or not— accountancy, legal services. so ai, whether or not we get the sci ai, whether or not we get the eet tt — ai, whether or not we get the eet tt etyte— ai, whether or not we get the eet tt etyte .— ai, whether or not we get the sci fi style , you— ai, whether or not we get the sci fi style , you know, killer sci fi style, you know, killer erttttetet— sci fi style, you know, killer artificial intelligence, ai is going— artificial intelligence, ai is going te— artificial intelligence, ai is going te hwe— artificial intelligence, ai is going to have massive implications- going to have massive implications for all ornery eeeete— implications for all ornery people across— implications for all ornery people across this country for teeetee— people across this country for teeetee te — people across this country for decades to come. “tit; ”tiritlgt decades to come. yes, i really think that it is. and i think a lot of people i think it's one of those topics because being honest, most people are lot of honest, most people are a lot of people. they don't really get it. don't really understand it. they don't really understand it. they don't really understand it. and why would they, by the way? when you when you kind way? so when you when you kind of a topic like this, of introduce a topic like this, i think sometimes eyes i think sometimes people's eyes glaze over. they'll who glaze over. they'll go, who cares? what is that all about? but actually arnie your but actually arnie to your

point, to me, this represents the fundamental point, to me, this represents the in fundamental point, to me, this represents the in society fundamental point, to me, this represents the in society . fundamental point, to me, this represents the in society. i'mundamental point, to me, this represents the in society . i'm actuallyital shift in society. i'm actually quite worried. i'm not a luddite, i'm not anti evolution, but i do . i sit there and but i do. i sit there and i think it was the godfather of ai, one of the creators of it. even he had said he regrets his role. he regrets what he's potentially created. i think we're all familiar with the story of frankenstein, aren't we? and i wonder if we're kind of tiptoeing into that kind of arena in in some regards. what do you make of it all? daniel well, i do you make of it all? daniel wen, t thht— do you make of it all? daniel well, i think we're— t:ti:t l ritll7 daniel well, i think we're getting a bit hysterical— well, i think we're getting a bit hysterical about it. and i tewht— bit hysterical about it. and i tewht ewt— bit hysterical about it. and i found out aaron's distinction very— found out aaron's distinction wery hetetwt. — found out aaron's distinction very helpful. there's lots of ai going— very helpful. there's lots of ai going eh— very helpful. there's lots of ai going on already.— very helpful. there's lots of ai going on already. mean, it may going on already. i mean, it may be going on already. i mean, it may he e— going on already. i mean, it may he e whtte— going on already. i mean, it may be a while off— going on already. i mean, it may be a while off driving be a while off with driving ewt— be a while off with driving cars, but your— be a while off with driving cars, but your trains on the tehteh—meeti cars, but your trains on the london—most them london underground, most of them now london underground, most of them hwreemwe—etr. - london underground, most of them now—computer. it's. now are driven by computer. it's not now are driven by computer. it's met-wher— now are driven by computer. it's not-driver. all— now are driven by computer. it's not-driver. all he- now are driven by computer. it's not driver. all he does not by the driver. all he does is not by the driver. all he does he eeeh— not by the driver. all he does he eeeh ehe— not by the driver. all he does is open and close— not by the driver. all he does is open and close the doors and the-eemewter- is open and close the doors and the computer decides the train. the computer decides hew— the train. the computer decides hew-the— the train. the computer decides how-the train— the train. the computer decides how-the train is— the train. the computer decides how the train is going and how fast the train is going and when— how fast the train is going and whehleteee— how fast the train is going and whenlstops and— how fast the train is going and when stops and things like when it stops and things like thet— when it stops and things like thet .— when it stops and things like thet , thet-e— when it stops and things like that , that's already happening. that, that's already happening. amt— that, that's already happening. amt t— that, that's already happening. amt t thht— that, that's already happening. and i think that's a good thing. on and i think that's a good thing. oh the— and i think that's a good thing. oh the whore,— and i think that's a good thing. on the whole, the— and i think that's a good thing. on the whole, the question, theweh— on the whole, the question, theweh-thew- on the whole, the question, though,-know ,- on the whole, the question, though, know , are we on the whole, the question,- though,-know , are we all though, of, you know, are we all going— though, of, you know, are we all going te— though, of, you know, are we all going telttwhe— though, of, you know, are we all going to.living in— though, of, you know, are we all going to living in the matrix though, of, you know, are we all goinwe're living in the matrix though, of, you know, are we all goinwe're sorting in the matrix though, of, you know, are we all goinwe're sort of] in the matrix though, of, you know, are we all goinwe're sort of we'ree matrix though, of, you know, are we all

goinwe're sort of we're sortitrix though, of, you know, are we all goinwe're sort of we're sort ofx and we're sort of we're sort of exeertmehtet— and we're sort of we're sort of experimental creatures in a jam jar experimental creatures in a jam jar whtte— experimental creatures in a jam jar whtte hwee— jar while huge superintelligences have j'ar whtte hwee— superintelligences have created themeetwee— superintelligences have created themselves and _ superintelligences have created themselves and persecute us or ehewte— themselves and persecute us or enslave us. they— themselves and persecute us or enslave us. they don't wash with yew.— enslave us. they don't wash with yew. rt— enslave us. they don't wash with yew. tt mteht— enslave us. they don't wash with yew. tt mteht he— enslave us. they don't wash with you. it might be well, i don't expect— you. it might be well, i don't expect te— you. it might be well, i don't expect te he— you. it might be well, i don't expect to be around for it, to be expect to be around for it, to he heheet— expect to be around for it, to he heheet er— expect to be around for it, to be honest or even- expect to be around for it, to be honest or even aaron or you, wtehee— be honest or even aaron or you, thehet whe-e— be honest or even aaron or you, michel, who's the _ be honest or even aaron or you, michel, who's the youngest of us all. michel, who's the youngest of us we wett— michel, who's the youngest of us we wen, ewt— michel, who's the youngest of us all. well, but i— michel, who's the youngest of us all. well, but i don't think wett— all. well, but i don't think we'll-around- all. well, but i don't think we'll.around.it.- all. well, but i don't think we'll around it. i'm not we'll be around for it. i'm not tee— we'll be around for it. i'm not tee werrtet— we'll be around for it. i'm not too worried about— we'll be around for it. i'm not too worried about it. people tert— too worried about it. people tehtleet— too worried about it. people tehtleet e— too worried about it. people tend-get a bit— too worried about it. people tend get a bit hysterical. tend to get a bit hysterical. i em— tend to get a bit hysterical. i em ewwteet— tend to get a bit hysterical. i am surprised ,_ tend to get a bit hysterical. i am surprised , have admit, am surprised, i have to admit, on am surprised, i have to admit, eh whet— am surprised, i have to admit, on what aaron— am surprised, i have to admit, on what aaron said , that the on what aaron said, that the rrtme— on what aaron said, that the rrtme-et— on what aaron said, that the| prime -of-united prime minister of the united thetem—ettl prime minister of the united- kingdom_all days kingdom on this day of all days has kingdom on this day of all days hee tewht— kingdom on this day of all days has found time— kingdom on this day of all days has found time to— kingdom on this day of all days has found time to go off and tteewee— has found time to go off and discuss this— has found time to go off and discuss this distant, horrendous tehteey— discuss this distant, horrendous tehteey . — discuss this distant, horrendous tehteey . wett— discuss this distant, horrendous fantasy. �*tht�*ti;ll discuss this distant, horrendous fantasy . �*tht�*ti;ll gtit?" see, fantasy. well, yeah. see, i mteht— fantasy. well, yeah. see, i mteht eet— fantasy. well, yeah. see, i might set record— fantasy. �*tht�*ti;ll gtit?" see, i might set record this and remind you might set record this and remind yew et— might set record this and remind yew et rt— might set record this and remind yew et tt h— might set record this and remind yew et tt th e— might set record this and remind you of it in a few— might set record this and remind you of it in a few years to ewt— you of it in a few years to come. but have- you of it in a few years to come. but have a look at this. tet— come. but have a look at this. tet me— come. but have a look at this. tet me eee— come. but have a look at this. tet me rt— come. but have a look at this. let me see if i— come. but have a look at this. let me see if i can— come. but have a look at this. let me see if i can get this up on let me see if i can get this up we the— let me see if i can get this up on the screen. _ let me see if i can get this up on the screen. if— let me see if i can get this up on the screen. if you're ttetemhw— on the screen. if you're listening, not- on the screen. if you're listening, not watching, i shall teeerthe— listening, not watching, i shall teeerthe rt— listening, not watching, i shall describe it to _ listening, not watching, i shall describe it to you. _ listening, not watching, i shall describe it to you. is it there? etherwtee,— describe it to you. is it there? otherwise, i'm— describe it to you. is it there? otherwise, i'm just looking wehtt— otherwise, i'm just looking rtehte se— otherwise, i'm just looking right? so i've— otherwise, i'm just looking right? so i've got these in the wtehe— right? so i've got these in the wrong weer.— right? so i've got these in the wrong order. they've ruined the heet. — wrong order. they've ruined the heet. aty— wrong order. they've ruined the best. my bubble.— wrong order. they've ruined the best. my bubble. everybody i was whether— best. my bubble. everybody i was building we— best. my bubble. everybody i was building we te— best. my bubble. everybody i was building up to this,— best. my bubble. everybody i was building up to this, i was whether— building up to this, i was building we— building up to this, i was building up to- building up to this, i was building up to it. it's probably not building up to it. it's probably met 90mg— building up to it. it's probably met going te— building up to it. it's probably not going to work because i

met— not going to work because i think-orders— not going to work because i think-orders all- not going to work because i think orders all mixed up. think my orders all mixed up. ewt— think my orders all mixed up. hwt ehywey— think my orders all mixed up. hwt ehywey-e- think my orders all mixed up. but anyway,-a ai- think my orders all mixed up. but anyway, a al to but anyway, i used a al to teetet— but anyway, i used a al to teem-tert- but anyway, i used a al to depict lord moylan. and oh depict you, lord moylan. and oh yeeh— depict you, lord moylan. and oh yeeh there— depict you, lord moylan. and oh yeeh, there yew— depict you, lord moylan. and oh yeah, there you are— depict you, lord moylan. and oh yeah, there you are . \ti:t l yeah, there you are. no, it's met— yeah, there you are. no, it's not actually me. no, i- yeah, there you are. hit l i no, i know it's not actually me. no, i know it's not actually me. no, i know it's met yew. — not actually me. no, i know it's met yew. rte— not actually me. no, i know it's not you. it's the artificial intelligence version of you. it took me a few iterations . very took me a few iterations. very good.is took me a few iterations. very good. is it? well, i mean- very good. is it? well, i mean . well, good. is it? well, i mean. well, thet-e— good. is it? well, i mean. well, thet-e e— good. is it? well, i mean. well, thet-e e t— good. is it? well, i mean. well, thet-e e t keep_ good. is it? well, i mean. well, that's a i keep these flowing. rte— that's a i keep these flowing. tt-e wt— that's a i keep these flowing. it's all messed— that's a i keep these flowing. it's all messed up— that's a i keep these flowing. it's all messed up now.- that's a i keep these flowing. it's all messed up now. my orders all messed up, but keep it flowing and you will see. so look, you go. that's look, there you go. that's pretty good. that was another iteration i think iteration of you. i think i've got one show you how it got one to show you how it started. my first one, when i tried to develop you in al, i've i got the next one. there you go. that was one. another . one go. that was one. another. one right. so what did you put in? hang on. graph core. this is if theee— hang on. graph core. this is if theee thmee— hang on. graph core. this is if these things move— hang on. graph core. this is if these things move any slower, i'll these things move any slower, t-tt etttt— these things move any slower, t-tt etttt he— these things move any slower, i'll still be here— these things move any slower, i'll still be here into nigel tweee— i'll still be here into nigel rereee ehew— i'll still be here into nigel farage show like try. lg farage show like try. let's try retttme— farage show like try. let's try rattling through them, shall we? that was you, aaron bastani. oh, look well, maybe. look at that. well, maybe. maybe ten years ago. what a handsome, dapper— iii; ltif gt??? g what a handsome, dapper man. maybe that meyhe— handsome, dapper man. maybe that meyhe tem— handsome, dapper man. maybe that meyhe teh yeere — handsome, dapper man. maybe that maybe ten years. then i tried to do maybe ten years. then i tried to

te ehether— maybe ten years. then i tried to do another-you.- maybe ten years. then i tried to do another you. look that do another one of you. look that yew. — do another one of you. look that yew. thet— do another one of you. look that was you. that now— do another one of you. look that was you. that now isn't that eeeweet — was you. that now isn't that- accurate? _late? my accurate? what am i, late? my rete— accurate? what am i, late? my tete seet— accurate? what am i, late? my late 30s? that's— accurate? what am i, late? my late 30s? that's right. - accurate? 7 my late 30s? that's right. that is accurate. and _ late 30s? that's right. that is accurate. and then. hang on. and then at this. everyone then look at this. everyone already the a song. see already the pizza is a song. see you ready ? come on, everyone . you ready? come on, everyone. that's odd. you know i give up . that's odd. you know i give up. i give up. i don't know what these guys are doing. i don't to produces produce— these guys are doing. i don't to produces produce _job. . these guys are doing. i don't to produces produce _job. l these guys are doing. i don't to produces produce-job. ii produces produce at the job. i t— produces produce at the job. i mean, i could— produces produce at the job. i mean, i could guys. i- produces produce at the job. i i: gwr i would. produces produce at the job. i: gw iwould. i mean, i could guys. i would. i could be coming— mean, i could guys. i would. i could be coming would- i: gw iwould. i could be coming would do this rteht. — could be coming would do this hem—thet- right. i forgot that final etetwe— right. i forgot that final etetwe er— right. i forgot that final picture or not, this was like the— picture or not, this was like the the— picture or not, this was like the this was— picture or not, this was like the this was like- picture or not, this was like the this was like the thing that 90mg— the this was like the thing that going te— the this was like the thing that was going to knock you all off yew— was going to knock you all off yew-yew— was going to knock you all off yew-yew wee— was going to knock you all off your you was going to go, your feet. you was going to go, wow:— your feet. you was going to go, wew-et— your feet. you was going to go, wew-et rt.— your feet. you was going to go, wew-et tt. eh— your feet. you was going to go, wow, at it. oh can't get wow, look at it. oh can't get the— wow, look at it. oh can't get the etwtt— wow, look at it. oh can't get the stuff this— wow, look at it. oh can't get the stuff this is— wow, look at it. oh can't get the stuff this is i— wow, look at it. oh can't get the stuff this is i this is where— the stuff this is i this is where yew— the stuff this is i this is where you need i everybody, heee— where you need i everybody, teeee t— where you need i everybody, because i did— where you need i everybody, because i did have something to ehew— because i did have something to ehew yew.— because i did have something to ehew yew. amt— because i did have something to ehew yew. amt t— because i did have something to show you. and i will be honest, it show you. and i will be honest, tt the— show you. and i will be honest, tt ttht et— show you. and i will be honest, it kind of knocked— show you. and i will be honest, it kind of knocked me off my ewtee— it kind of knocked me off my etrtte e— it kind of knocked me off my stride a little— it kind of knocked me off my stride a little bit. i did. i teetet— stride a little bit. i did. i teetet et— stride a little bit. i did. i looked at it.— stride a little bit. i did. i looked at it. i- stride a little bit. i did. i looked at it. i was like, absolutely. _ looked at it. i was like, absolutely. wow. i'll try and ehew— absolutely. wow. i'll try and ehew rt— absolutely. wow. i'll try and ehew ttlyew— absolutely. wow. i'll try and show itlyou a— absolutely. wow. i'll try and show it you a little bit show it to you a little bit heter— show it to you a little bit teter eh— show it to you a little bit teter try— show it to you a little bit later on, try and get it to you tetere— later on, try and get it to you tetere woo. — later on, try and get it to you before 7:00. but— later on, try and get it to you before 7:00. but anyway, let me thew— before 7:00. but anyway, let me thew yew— before 7:00. but anyway, let me know your thoughts comes know your thoughts when it comes to know your thoughts when it comes te-htettteehee— to artificial intelligence since are to artificial intelligence since ere—rte- to artificial intelligence since ere—rte te- to artificial intelligence since ere—rte te yewl are you a fan of it? do you met— are you a fan of it? do you ththt tt— are you a fan of it? do you ththt tt te— are you a fan of it? do you think it is going- are you a fan of it? do you think it is going to help eeetety— think it is going to help eeetety er— think it is going to help society or hinder it? you get in

teweh— society or hinder it? you get in teweh wtth— society or hinder it? you get in touch with me— society or hinder it? you get in touch with me and tell me i'll eee-twe— touch with me and tell me i'll eee-twe .—

in i ini hello i in- hello there. i in_ hello there. i'm in hello there. i'm michelle tewterry— hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. this- hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co with you dewberry. this is dewbs& co with yew tttt— dewberry. this is dewbs& co with yew tttt hoo— dewberry. this is dewbs& co with you till 7:00 tonight. daniel tteyteh— you till 7:00 tonight. daniel theyteh te— you till 7:00 tonight. daniel theyteh te e— you till 7:00 tonight. daniel moylan is a peer in the house of heme— moylan is a peer in the house of terte ehe— moylan is a peer in the house of lords and aaron— moylan is a peer in the house of lords and aaron bastani is the tewhter— lords and aaron bastani is the tewhter et— lords and aaron bastani is the founder of novara _ lords and aaron bastani is the founder of novara media. we've twet— founder of novara media. we've twet teem— founder of novara media. we've just been talking— founder of novara media. we've just been talking about artificial— just been talking about artificial intelligence. one of my-tee,— artificial intelligence. one of my-teeleettl my viewers, lee, has said, wtehet— my viewers, lee, has said, michel, never— my viewers, lee, has said, michel, never mind of my viewers, lee, has said,- michel, never mind _of this michel, never mind some of this etwtt—tettme- michel, never mind some of this stuff talking about, michel, never mind some of this stufreal talking about, michel, never mind some of this stufreal worry talking about, michel, never mind some of this stuf real worry thatlking about, michel, never mind some of this stuf real worry thatlkingneedit, michel, never mind some of this stuf real worry thatlkingneed to the real worry that you need to be the real worry that you need to tee-ereee he- the real worry that you need to be-across, he says, i the real worry that you need to be across, he says, is be focussed across, he says, is the— be focussed across, he says, is the whete— be focussed across, he says, is the whole digitisation of tehtme. — the whole digitisation of tehtme. .yew- the whole digitisation of banking. -you today banking. and, you know, today i got banking. and, you know, today i eetleetwet— banking. and, you know, today i got-actual letter,— banking. and, you know, today i got-actual letter, a- banking. and, you know, today i got actual letter, a letter , got an actual letter, a letter, tewee— got an actual letter, a letter, tettee ehe— got an actual letter, a letter, ladies and gentlemen, you remember those things, pen and paper— remember those things, pen and teter-ehe— remember those things, pen and teter-ehe et— remember those things, pen and teter-ehe et my- remember those things, pen and paper one of my viewers you paper from one of my viewers you mteht— paper from one of my viewers you might—tonight- might be watching tonight. aetwetty— might be watching tonight. actually saying to might be watching tonight. - actually-saying to me actually you were saying to me thet— actually you were saying to me thet yee— actually you were saying to me that you're starting to feel eaetwtet— that you're starting to feel excluded society because excluded from society because you— excluded from society because yew—eeeh. - excluded from society because yew—eeeh. tew- excluded from society because| you—cash. you and you want to pay cash. you and yew— you want to pay cash. you and yew whe— you want to pay cash. you and your wife. you're _ you want to pay cash. you and your wife. you're telling me thet—te- your wife. you're telling me thet—te the- your wife. you're telling me- that_to the theatre that you can't go to the theatre teeee— that you can't go to the theatre teeewee—te - that you can't go to the theatrei because _to book because you don't want to book ehthe. — because you don't want to book ehthe. .teh-t— because you don't want to book online. .don't want- because you don't want to book online. don't want to use online. you don't want to use yew— online. you don't want to use yew-ehe— online. you don't want to use yew-ehe yee- your cards, and you're struggling— your cards, and you're struggling to find places that wrtt— struggling to find places that wttt eeeett— struggling to find places that will accept-cold,- struggling to find places that will accept cold, hard will accept your cold, hard

eeeh— will accept your cold, hard eeeh-yew- will accept your cold, hard cash. you pointing cash. many of you pointing out where— cash. many of you pointing out things—currency- cash. many of you pointing out things currency and things like digital currency and all things like digital currency and err-et— things like digital currency and ett-et n,— things like digital currency and ett-et n, yew- all the rest of it, your smartphone,- all the rest of it, your smartphone, you are. and think smartphone, you are. and i think yee— smartphone, you are. and i think yewe—weht- smartphone, you are. and i think you're—right. and- you're absolutely right. and ahthehy— you're absolutely right. and anthony michel, you're absolutely right. and. anthony-michel,-on anthony says, michel, what on eerth— anthony says, michel, what on eerth wee— anthony says, michel, what on earth was that— anthony says, michel, what on earth was that artificial eeemeht— earth was that artificial segment intelligence segment etewte— segment intelligence segment etewte hehe— segment intelligence segment about? none-the- segment intelligence segment about? none the pictures about? none of the pictures teetet— about? none of the pictures looked anything like your guess. so looked anything like your guess. se tt-e— looked anything like your guess. se tt-e e— looked anything like your guess. so it's a little— looked anything like your guess. so it's a little bit— looked anything like your guess. so it's a little bit rubbish. wett— so it's a little bit rubbish. we-tt tete— so it's a little bit rubbish. we'll take a— so it's a little bit rubbish. we'll take a look at this. look at we'll take a look at this. look et thet.— we'll take a look at this. look at that. who's— we'll take a look at this. look at that. who's that? ladies and eehttemeh— at that. who's that? ladies and eehttemeh eh— at that. who's that? ladies and gentlemen on the— at that. who's that? ladies and gentlemen on the screen. trtttteht— gentlemen on the screen. trtttteht — gentlemen on the screen. brilliant who- gentlemen on the screen. brilliant who is- gentlemen on the screen. brilliant l7’ oh,i gentlemen on the screen. brilliant l7’ oh, i am brilliant who is it? oh, i am going— brilliant who is it? oh, i am going te— brilliant who is it? oh, i am going te eet— brilliant who is it? oh, i am going te eet ht— brilliant who is it? oh, i am going to get rid of— brilliant 7 oh, i am going to get rid of my panel as wet.— going to get rid of my panel as wet. at— going to get rid of my panel as wet. at the— going to get rid of my panel as well. at this rate,— going to get rid of my panel as well. at this rate, you're eweeeeet— well. at this rate, you're eweeeeet te— well. at this rate, you're supposed to use michel. l supposed to use michel. it's yew.— supposed to use michel. it's yew. weh— supposed to use michel. it's we even, yew— supposed to use michel. l even, you know, even the you. even, you know, even the wey— you. even, you know, even the wey. twen— you. even, you know, even the wey. ever the— you. even, you know, even the way. even the way— even, you know, even the way. even the way that you are hetthe— way. even the way that you are hetthe thet— way. even the way that you are holding that item.— way. even the way that you are holding that item. that's even hew— holding that item. that's even hew yew— holding that item. that's even hew yew hete— holding that item. that's even how you hold your phone right? so how you hold your phone right? se wee-y — how you hold your phone right? se wee-y amt— how you hold your phone right? so crazy. and gentleman- how you hold your phone right? so crazy. and gentleman crazy. let me explain something you, let me explain something to you, if let me explain something to you, tt-eet— let me explain something to you, tt-eet thet— let me explain something to you, if-get that image- let me explain something to you, if get that image again if i can get that image up again weht— if i can get that image up again rteht. thet— if i can get that image up again right. that image— if i can get that image up again right. that image was created. aht— right. that image was created. amt twe— right. that image was created. amt he get— right. that image was created. amt we get te— right. that image was created. and i've got to say, and i don't meehlte— and i've got to say, and i don't mean be egotistical in this, mean to be egotistical in this, twt— mean to be egotistical in this, twt t— mean to be egotistical in this, twt t eetwetty— mean to be egotistical in this, but i actually that is but i actually think that is very— but i actually think that is emry-e- but i actually think that is- very-me..knocked very similar to me. it knocked my-ett— very similar to me. it knocked my-ett .— very similar to me. it knocked my-ett . thet— very similar to me. it knocked my-off . that was- very similar to me. it knocked my off . that was the first my socks off. that was the first ettemtt. — my socks off. that was the first ettemet. aht— my socks off. that was the first attempt. and all— my socks off. that was the first attempt. and all i— my socks off. that was the first attempt. and all i asked for was ehew— attempt. and all i asked for was ehew me— attempt. and all i asked for was show me michelle— attempt. and all i asked for was show me michelle dewberry reethe— show me michelle dewberry reetme the— show me michelle dewberry reading the news. and that's whet— reading the news. and that's whet tt— reading the news. and that's

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t weet— way, one of the jobs that i did, t weet te— way, one of the jobs that i did, t weet te te— way, one of the jobs that i did, i used to be a— way, one of the jobs that i did, i used to be a checkout girl. thet— i used to be a checkout girl. thet ehe— i used to be a checkout girl. thet et— i used to be a checkout girl. that one, of course, no longer. teee— because you've got things like yew— because you've got things like your-checkout,— because you've got things like. your-checkout,-you? your self checkout, haven't you? ahywey. — your self checkout, haven't you? ahywey. .eewtee— your self checkout, haven't you? anyway, service, has it anyway, civil service, has it gehe— anyway, civil service, has it gene-h— anyway, civil service, has it gene-h rte- anyway, civil service, has it gone-in its war- anyway, civil service, has it gone in its war against gone too far in its war against the— gone too far in its war against the government— gone too far in its war against the government that some people are the government that some people eetthg— the government that some people eetthg rte— the government that some people are calling it? it's— the government that some people are calling it? it's all been going— are calling it? it's all been gemg-heeh-t- are calling it? it's all been going-hasn't it?- are calling it? it's all been going hasn't it? you've got going on, hasn't it? you've got teete—eht- leaks here, there and everywhere,- everywhere, which always fascinates— fascinates me. how are civil eewehte— fascinates me. how are civil eewehte-te- fascinates me. how are civil eewehte-te ge- fascinates me. how are civil servants to go running servants allowed to go running off servants allowed to go running err-ereee— servants allowed to go running err-ereee every- servants allowed to go running off press every five off to the press every five eeete— off to the press every five seconds-report- off to the press every five seconds report something seconds to report something that they— seconds to report something that they eeh-t— seconds to report something that they don't like?— seconds to report something that they don't like?-is- seconds to report something that they don't like? is that seconds to report something that they possible? is that seconds to report something that they possible ? is that seconds to report something that they possible ? �*tht�*ti;ll that seconds to report something that they possible ? �*tht�*ti;ll wit seconds to report something that they possible ? �*tht�*ti;ll even possible? well, we know how it's it's very it's possible. and it's very difficult stop. question difficult to stop. the question is, why doing it? and is, why are they doing it? and they're doing it because they've lost all sense of their own constitutional position and responsibility. very responsibility. and it is a very serious threat to how we govern the country. it means the civil service can effectively choose the government. then we have the government. and then we have people we agree people demanding and we agree that it should be done. so in the house of commons, for example, they're to example, they're going to introduce measure whereby introduce this measure whereby if complaint made, if you have a complaint made, a serious made against serious complaint made against you, from the you, you'll be banned from the house plea, you had to house previous plea, you had to wait until you were charged before were banned from the before you were banned from the house. a matter of house. now it's just a matter of having complaint made so one having a complaint made so one complainant can actually ruin

somebody's career, cut off somebody's career, cut them off from their representative from doing their representative role of their role on behalf of their constituent role on behalf of their constituthem from speaking in prevent them from speaking in the that would be they the house. that would be they haven't decided it yet, but that's what they're proposing in a you a month's time. what do you thhte— a month's time. what do you thhte te— a month's time. what do you think? is that— a month's time. what do you think? is that aaron,- l what do you think? is that aaron, it's very htereethg— think? is that aaron, it's very interesting, particularly because, as— interesting, particularly because, as somebody on the tert— because, as somebody on the tettletweye— because, as somebody on the left, always concerns left, i've always had concerns etewt— left, i've always had concerns etewtlyew— left, i've always had concerns etewtlyew wt— left, i've always had concerns about you did have a radical about if you did have a radical tert— about if you did have a radical tett-tetew— about if you did have a radical left labour government, left wing labour government, whteh—we-re- left wing labour government,i which—we're going which i don't think we're going to which i don't think we're going te-wtth— which i don't think we're going te-wtth tetr- which i don't think we're going to with keir starmer, to be seeing with keir starmer, by to be seeing with keir starmer, ty the— to be seeing with keir starmer, ty the wey— to be seeing with keir starmer, ty the wey. ehe— to be seeing with keir starmer, by the way, and i'm sure he'd be very— by the way, and i'm sure he'd be very hewty— by the way, and i'm sure he'd be very happy-me- by the way, and i'm sure he'd be very happy-me sav- by the way, and i'm sure he'd be very happy me say that. very happy to hear me say that. reassure some— very happy to hear me say that. reassure some people— very happy to hear me say that. reassure some people out there. one big challenges would one of the big challenges would be think civil service, if be i think the civil service, if you say, right, we you wanted to say, right, we want to bring x, y, z into pubuc want to bring x, y, z into public ownership, even even things people support. like things that people support. like walter, most voters want walter, most tory voters want water public water back into public ownership. know why they water back into public ownersilook know why they water back into public ownersilook at know why they water back into public ownersilook at scotland. it'sthey water back into public ownersilook at scotland. it's nol should look at scotland. it's no better in scotland. _ should look at scotland. it's no better in scotland. yeah,- : i: it's no better in scotland. yeah, but. wett— better in scotland. yeah, but. wet-eert— better in scotland. yeah, but. well,-park that. - better in scotland. yeah, but. well,-park that. all. well, we can park that. all right. yeah, we'll park- tim all right. yeah, we'll park that. thet-e— right. yeah, we'll park that. thet-e ter— right. yeah, we'll park that. that's for another— right. yeah, we'll park that. qc”; yeah, that's for another day. yeah, another show for— qc”; yeah, another show for another day. rte— another show for another day. we met— another show for another day. we met gemg— another show for another day. it's not going away. i another show for another day. it's not going away. " my it's not going away. but in any case, case, i think the case, in any case, i think the civil service would make life far more difficult than it needs to i think basically there to be. i think basically there is big overhauls. is an aversion to big overhauls. top down overhauls trying to

solve big problems. clearly, in the of last several the case of the last several years, reference to years, that's in reference to brexit, there is brexit, there was a there is a resistance trying to solve resistance to trying to solve some the problems . some of the bigger problems. now, i'm poo pooing on the now, i'm not poo pooing on the civil individuals. i civil service or individuals. i think how the civil think that's just how the civil service works. it's like big service works. it's like a big ship try and turn it ship and you try and turn it around and it takes a really long time. but i think at the same time we are seeing, i think, something a little bit new. so regards to priti new. so in regards to priti patel, mentioned here and patel, who's mentioned here and suella personally suella braverman, i personally think broken think they've both broken the ministerial code. suella braverman the live case. braverman is the live case. obviously there are very clear codified lines and principles that you should adhere to when you're to talking foreign governments, basically. and she should have disclosed her previous relationship to rwanda before was becoming before before she was becoming before she mp. she should have she was an mp. she should have disclosed that when she became an particularly when she an mp and particularly when she proposed rwanda scheme. so i think that's kind of moot. the one that interests me is not mentioned here is dominic raab, because do think there because i do think there probably was a case of, of some people particularly liking people not particularly liking him being taken out. and

him and him being taken out. and i don't think that's right. now, i don't think that's right. now, i don't think that's right. now, i don't know that might not be true. we don't know the full case. but from what i've seen, some of the complainants acas don't quite don't really seem mythically strong. do . it mythically strong. others do. it seems serious, but others seems very serious, but others don't think there don't. and i think there probably was bit of a snowball probably was a bit of a snowball with rid of him and with raab to get rid of him and i think that's a concern because whether not you like whether or not you like individual runs or individual politician runs or governments, have a governments, they have a democratic mandate. they're elected the people, they're elected by the people, they're not chosen by ngos or civil servants journalists . they're servants or journalists. they're chosen the electorate. and chosen by the electorate. and i think in a very dangerous think we're in a very dangerous place now several thousand place now where several thousand people broadly in central london get to determine who is and who isn't the government. i think that's very dangerous. very, very quickly, that's very dangerous. very, very gwtetty. rwet— that's very dangerous. very, very quickly, just yes- ttify g very, very quickly, just yes or no, ceret— very quickly, just yes or no, ceret-eeh- very quickly, just yes or no, carol-can you. very quickly, just yes or no,| carol-can you ask carol is asking, can you ask a lot carol is asking, can you ask a tet et— carol is asking, can you ask a lot of question?— carol is asking, can you ask a lot of question? do the official secrete— lot of question? do the official seerete aet— lot of question? do the official secrets act apply— lot of question? do the official secrets act apply to the civil eewtee — secrets act apply to the civil eewtee er— secrets act apply to the civil service or not?— secrets act apply to the civil service or not? yeah yeah, eemethhg— service or not? yeah yeah,l something—there service or not? yeah yeah,- something_there you something like that. there you go. ones. anyway, look, go. senior ones. anyway, look, time is appreciating time flies. mark is appreciating the-wtth— time flies. mark is appreciating the _with-before- the debate with you. before i go, the debate with you. before i ge. very— the debate with you. before i ge. wery gwtetty— the debate with you. before i go, very quickly, did you see wet— go, very quickly, did you see wet-ort— go, very quickly, did you see just-oil getting- go, very quickly, did you see just oil getting into their just stop oil getting into their ewtee—

just stop oil getting into their antics-chelsea- just stop oil getting into their antics chelsea flower antics at the chelsea flower ehew— antics at the chelsea flower ehew-hwe- antics at the chelsea flower show - have i got - antics at the chelsea flower show - have i got of show today? have i got a clip of it? show today? have i got a clip of he tt— show today? have i got a clip of he tt reetty— show today? have i got a clip of it? it really caught— show today? have i got a clip of it? it really caught eye it? it really caught my eye there.— it? it really caught my eye there-ere— it? it really caught my eye there. are choosing their there. they are choosing their eehte— there. they are choosing their events carefully— there. they are choosing their events carefully that they go to ehywey— events carefully that they go to ehywey .— events carefully that they go to ehywey. twe— events carefully that they go to anyway . i've looking at the anyway. i've been looking at the trettttehet— anyway. i've been looking at the traditional british _ anyway. i've been looking at the traditional british events eetemtw— traditional british events calendar, so— traditional british events calendar, so i— traditional british events calendar, so i have. and if eyee— calendar, so i have. and if ye trem— calendar, so i have. and if anyone from just stop oil is wetehhg— anyone from just stop oil is watching and— anyone from just stop oil is watching and they need a recommendation on in less than twe— recommendation on in less than twe weete— recommendation on in less than twe weete ttme— recommendation on in less than two weeks time, it— recommendation on in less than two weeks time, it starts on the thwetey— two weeks time, it starts on the thwretey the — two weeks time, it starts on the thursday the 8th _ two weeks time, it starts on the thursday the 8th of june. the appleby_ thursday the 8th of june. the aeetety heree— thursday the 8th of june. the appleby horse fair takes place. i'm appleby horse fair takes place. t-m ewe— appleby horse fair takes place. t-m they— appleby horse fair takes place. i'm sure they would be delighted to i'm sure they would be delighted te hew— i'm sure they would be delighted te heer yew— i'm sure they would be delighted to hear your message . spread it to hear your message. spread it as to hear your message. spread it ee tw— to hear your message. spread it ee ter ehe— to hear your message. spread it as far and wide— to hear your message. spread it as far and wide as— to hear your message. spread it as far and wide as interesting. awwey— as far and wide as interesting. ahywey. thet-e— as far and wide as interesting. anyway, that's all— as far and wide as interesting. anyway, that's all we have got ttme— anyway, that's all we have got ttme ter. — anyway, that's all we have got time for. aaron— anyway, that's all we have got time for. aaron and daniel, theht— time for. aaron and daniel, theht yew— time for. aaron and daniel, thank you for— time for. aaron and daniel, thank you for your company. theht— thank you for your company. theht yew. — thank you for your company. theht yew. at— thank you for your company. thank you. at home, like i said, they-we— thank you. at home, like i said, they've appreciated the respectful— they've appreciated the respectful debate. that's what we try— respectful debate. that's what we try ehe— respectful debate. that's what we try eht te— respectful debate. that's what we try and do on— respectful debate. that's what we try and do on dewbs& co even if we try and do on dewbs& co even tt tehtet— we try and do on dewbs& co even tt tehtet teee— we try and do on dewbs& co even if daniel does think— we try and do on dewbs& co even if daniel does think i'm eemetetety— if daniel does think i'm completely wrong on what i think ehywey— completely wrong on what i think ehywey. t-tt— completely wrong on what i think anyway, i'll leave— completely wrong on what i think anyway, i'll leave it— completely wrong on what i think anyway, i'll leave it with you. wwe— anyway, i'll leave it with you. wwe e— anyway, i'll leave it with you. have a fantastic— anyway, i'll leave it with you. have a fantastic evening. do not go have a fantastic evening. do not ge ehywhere— have a fantastic evening. do not ge ehywhere tt— have a fantastic evening. do not go anywhere if you're going out, get-retre— go anywhere if you're going out, get-radio switched- go anywhere if you're going out, get radio switched on. take get your radio switched on. take us-because nigel- us with you. because nigel twege— us with you. because nigel terege te— us with you. because nigel rerege te up— us with you. because nigel farage is up next and i suspect he mtght— farage is up next and i suspect he mtght hwe— farage is up next and i suspect he might have something to say etewt— he might have something to say etewt the— he might have something to say about the immigration figures.

eeeeoe. — about the immigration figures. 606,000. goodness me. see you tomorrow . good— 606,000. goodness me. see you tomorrow . good evening . jlri;;t< tomorrow. good evening. i'm alex teeth.— tomorrow. good evening. i'm alex teeth. the— tomorrow. good evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather forecast from the met office for gb news. tomorrow, the day after and the day after that will be dry and fine with sunny spells for most pleasantly warm by day, but chilly at night. high pressure is very slowly creeping in these weather fronts are going to change things a little bit. of course, northern scotland over the next couple of days, but for the vast majority under the influence of high stays dry and high pressure, it stays dry and fine. there's some patches of cloud the moment . cloud around at the moment. they'll break up a they'll tend to break up a little overnight, might turn a little overnight, might turn a little misty, or 2 fog patches little misty, 1 or 2 fog patches are possible through early are possible through the early hours there's the cloud hours and there's the cloud i talked about earlier, increasing across the north—west of scotland through northern across the north—west of scotlrofi through northern across the north—west of scotlrof the ough northern across the north—west of scotlrof the mainland northern across the north—west of scotlrof the mainland of)rthern parts of the mainland of scotland . could down scotland. we could get down close freezing generally down close to freezing generally down to figures, maybe 10 or to single figures, maybe 10 or 11, where we keep it a bit more cloud. some will start a bit grey then on friday, but for most it will be another fine day with bright sunny cloud with bright sunny spells cloud increasing all the while in the

western a bit western isles of scotland, a bit of here and by lunchtime of drizzle here and by lunchtime we see a few spots we could see a few spots arriving over the highlands. but for scotland and for much of scotland and certainly wales , certainly england, wales, northern ireland, dry and fine with quite warm with sunny spells, quite warm as well. getting into well. temperatures getting into the teens, 20s more the high teens, low 20s more widely, cooler on widely, always a bit cooler on some coasts with a bit of a breeze blowing and cooler with that thicker cloud across the far north of scotland, still providing the odd spot of rain over northern isles during over the northern isles during friday evening. most of friday evening. but for most of fine evening and looking fine friday evening and looking like a fine and dry saturday again, northern scotland seeing more cloud and there will be a little bit of rain trickling in here as a weather front moves in. but for most places, the sunny spells on saturday and again pleasant in the again feeling pleasant in the sunny after bit of a sunny spells after a bit of a cool start. afternoon, cool start. by the afternoon, we'll up into the low 20s we'll be up into the low 20s more widely . again, some of the more widely. again, some of the beaches will a little cooler beaches will be a little cooler and it will be cooler in northern scotland because this line rain is a weather line of patchy rain is a weather front that will introduce things turning us turning cooler for more of us dunng turning cooler for more of us during the second half of the

weekend. but still , for most of weekend. but still, for most of us, staying sunny us, staying dry with sunny spells .

it's thursday night and this is farage at large live from peterborough. please farage at large live from peterborough . please welcome peterborough. please welcome yew— peterborough. please welcome yew heet— peterborough. please welcome yew heet. wtget— 3jti;lti; ” g " please welcome your host, nigel farage. good ewehmg. — your host, nigel farage. good evening. we're— your host, nigel farage. good evening. we're in- your host, nigel farage. good evening. ”ti; .. g“ evening. we're in peterborough. we've got the local mp, paul bristow , who was kicked out of bristow, who was kicked out of the house of commons yesterday. wildly enthusiastic audience with so much to discuss population pressures in this city on housing, on health, on schools are very real. we're going to schools are very real. we're gemg te hwe— schools are very real. we're going to have a— schools are very real. we're going to have a big- i w; ttify ”tiritl we're going to have a big open debate wtth— going to have a big open debate wtth ew— going to have a big open debate with our audience. but before all with our audience. but before ett et— with our audience. but before all of that, let's get the news

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