gb news. very good afternoon, everybody . it's patrick christys here on ea — . it's patrick christys here on ea news.— . it's patrick christys here on ea news. n-s— . it's patrick christys here on gb news. it'sjust_ it's patrick christys here on gb news. it'sjust gone it's patrick christys here on gb news. it's just gone 3 pm. here— gb news. it's just gone 3 pm. here-what— gb news. it's just gone 3 pm. here lwhat i've— gb news. it's just gone 3 pm. here lwhat i've got- gb news. it's just gone 3 pm. here what i've got for you here is what i've got for you this— here is what i've got for you this hour.— here is what i've got for you this hour. 3000— here is what i've got for you this hour. 3000 asylum seekers a month— this hour. 3000 asylum seekers a month to— this hour. 3000 asylum seekers a month to be— this hour. 3000 asylum seekers a month to be deported under sueua— month to be deported under suella braverman plans . do you suella braverman plans. do you be“...— suella braverman plans. do you believe that?— suella braverman plans. do you believe that? and— suella braverman plans. do you believe that? and i asked that question— believe that? and i asked that question-i— believe that? and i asked that question-i do- believe that? and i asked that question-i do not- question because i do not be“...— question because i do not believe-net- question because i do not believe net migration believe the net migration figures— believe the net migration- figures—yesterday believe the net migration- figures_yesterday . figures that dropped yesterday. we-u— figures that dropped yesterday. wen-talking— figures that dropped yesterday. we'll talking about all of we'll be talking about all of that—much- we'll be talking about all of that—much more. that and much, much more throughout— that and much, much more. throughout—the throughout the course of the show. — throughout the course of the show. just— throughout the course of the show. just stop— throughout the course of the show. just stop oil. they're back— show. just stop oil. they're back at— show. just stop oil. they're back at n— show. just stop oil. they're back at it-some- show. just stop oil. they're back at it some individual back at it now. some individual was—just- back at it now. some individual was—just stopl was heard saying to just stop all was heard saying to just stop alt-needed- was heard saying to just stop all-needed to- was heard saying to just stop all-needed to go- was heard saying to just stop all needed to go to all that he needed to go to a hospital— all that he needed to go to a hospital appointment and the guy from— hospital appointment and the guy from just— hospital appointment and the guy tom just stop— hospital appointment and the guy from just stop oil— hospital appointment and the guy from just stop oil says, well, i ton-t— from just stop oil says, well, i tent-tut— from just stop oil says, well, i don't-buy that. - from just stop oil says, well, i don't buy that. excuse don't really buy that. excuse met— don't really buy that. excuse met-potte- don't really buy that. excuse me?-police just- don't really buy that. excuse- me?-police just hanging me? why the police just hanging around—those- me? why the police just hanging around these numpty

around an escorting these numpty through—london.- around an escorting these numpty th|other_london.- around an escorting these numpty th|other news, london. around an escorting these numpty th|other news, we're london. around an escorting these numpty th|other news, we're lorgoing in other news, we're also going to—otout— in other news, we're also going to—otout ttto- in other news, we're also going to_about this as- to be talking about this as wett— to be talking about this as wet, too— to be talking about this as wet, too o— to be talking about this as well, has a new- to be talking about this as well, has a new clue been found in well, has a new clue been found tn-tunt— well, has a new clue been found tn-tunt tot— well, has a new clue been found in hunt for madeleine in the hunt for madeleine moconnt— in the hunt for madeleine mccann?_it. in the hunt for madeleine. mccann?_it has, in the hunt for madeleine- mccann?_it has, but mccann? reportedly, it has, but it mccann? reportedly, it has, but tt ooutt— mccann? reportedly, it has, but tt ooutt tote— mccann? reportedly, it has, but it could take months for her parents— it could take months for her parents lfind_ it could take months for her parents lfind out- it could take months for her parents find out exactly what parents to find out exactly what it parents to find out exactly what ttloppotontty.— parents to find out exactly what ttloppotontty-yoo- parents to find out exactly what itlapparently.-yes .- parents to find out exactly what it apparently. yes . well, it is apparently. and yes. well, is it is apparently. and yes. well, to-ot— it is apparently. and yes. well, to-ot tt— it is apparently. and yes. well, is-at it again?- it is apparently. and yes. well, is at it again? here we is she back at it again? here we go is she back at it again? here we 90-see_ is she back at it again? here we go-soo what— is she back at it again? here we go-soo what we- is she back at it again? here we go-see what we did- is she back at it again? here we go see what we did there? go again. see what we did there? there-o— go again. see what we did there? there'slrumour,_ go again. see what we did there? there'slrumour, a— go again. see what we did there? there's rumour, a rumbling of there's a rumour, a rumbling of meta— there's a rumour, a rumbling of angoto-totng— there's a rumour, a rumbling of angoto-totng-ttl angela rayner being back at it wttt— angela rayner being back at it wttt tho— angela rayner being back at it with the taxpayer funded with the old taxpayer funded atttoto. — with the old taxpayer funded atttoto.ltt— with the old taxpayer funded airpods. lit true?- with the old taxpayer funded airpods. it true? we'll have airpods. is it true? we'll have to—wo- airpods. is it true? we'll have to—wo toots- airpods. is it true? we'll have- to_we loads coming to find out when we loads coming your— to find out when we loads coming your-tout.— to find out when we loads coming your-hour. patrick- your way this hour. patrick ctttotyo— your way this hour. patrick throws..— your way this hour. patrick christvsl- ot- your way this hour. patrick christys . gb news. look, it's christys on. gb news. look, it's an christys on. gb news. look, it's on ootootto— christys on. gb news. look, it's an eclectic mix— christys on. gb news. look, it's an eclectic mix today, okay? tattoo— an eclectic mix today, okay? tattoo ont— an eclectic mix today, okay? ladies and gents, because we're otto— ladies and gents, because we're otoo gotng— ladies and gents, because we're otoo gotng to— ladies and gents, because we're otoo gotng to to— ladies and gents, because we're also going to be talking, of course, as you _ also going to be talking, of course, as you will have been toottng— course, as you will have been toottng tn— course, as you will have been hearing in the— course, as you will have been hearing in the show previously, about— hearing in the show previously, about two— hearing in the show previously, about two absolutely devastating , ototontno— about two absolutely devastating , sickening, depraved court cases involving— , sickening, depraved court cases involving children cases involving young children being— cases involving young children totng otuoot— cases involving young children being abused and killed as well. so being abused and killed as well. so too-o— being abused and killed as well. so got— being abused and killed as well. so got a— being abused and killed as well. so we've got a real— being abused and killed as well. so we've got a real mixture today.— so we've got a real mixture totoy. ot— so we've got a real mixture today. gb views— so we've got a real mixture today. gb views at gb news .com. get today. gb views at gb news .com. got your— today. gb views at gb news .com. out your votou— today. gb views at gb news .com. get your views coming in and wett— get your views coming in and wet to— get your views coming in and we'll be having— get your views coming in and we'll be having a— get your views coming in and we'll be having a debate later on, we'll be having a debate later ty— we'll be having a debate later by tho— we'll be having a debate later to to woo,— we'll be having a debate later on, by the way, about whether or not we — on, by the way, about whether or not we otoutt— on, by the way, about whether or not we should be— on, by the way, about whether or not we should be bringing back the tooth— not we should be bringing back

the death penalty— not we should be bringing back the death penalty child the death penalty for child ttttoto. — the death penalty for child killers. - now - the death penalty for child killers. - now it's i the death penalty for child. killers-now it's your killers. but right now it's your tootttnoo— killers. but right now it's your headlines-rory- killers. but right now it's your headlines-rory .- killers. but right now it's your headlines-rory . - killers. but right now it's your headlines rory . headlines with rory. thank you very— headlines with rory. thank you very mutt.— headlines with rory. thank you very much, patrick. a man has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob lennon. jake drummond, the putter— lennon. jake drummond, the putter ot— lennon. jake drummond, the putter ot the— jake drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother, jailed— partner of the toddler's mother, was jailed following a campaign of was jailed following a campaign ot outt— was jailed following a campaign ot otuot ont— was jailed following a campaign of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy— of cruel and sadistic abuse. the toy outtotot— of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy suffered multiple injuries throe— boy suffered multiple injuries over three weeks in 2019 when the vtottm-o— over three weeks in 2019 when the victim's mother, louise tonnon— the victim's mother, louise tonnon .— the victim's mother, louise lennon , was jailed for ten years lennon, was jailed for ten years tottontng— lennon, was jailed for ten years following jacob's— lennon, was jailed for ten years following jacob's death , two following jacob's death, two nononto— following jacob's death, two pononto nno — following jacob's death, two parents who murdered their ten nontn— parents who murdered their ten nontn ott— parents who murdered their ten month old son— parents who murdered their ten month old son just weeks after he month old son just weeks after to woo— month old son just weeks after he was returned— month old son just weeks after he was returned to— month old son just weeks after he was returned to their care, novo — he was returned to their care, novo noon— he was returned to their care, have been jailed— he was returned to their care, have been jailed for life with ntntnun— have been jailed for life with minimum terms— have been jailed for life with minimum terms of 27 and 29 yous— minimum terms of 27 and 29 years, respectively . a released years, respectively. a released tnnoonot— years, respectively. a released transcript from _ years, respectively. a released transcript from a— years, respectively. a released transcript from a hearing shows the transcript from a hearing shows to tontty— transcript from a hearing shows the family court— transcript from a hearing shows the family court ordered finley noton— the family court ordered finley noton to— the family court ordered finley noton to to— the family court ordered finley boden to be given back to his notonto— boden to be given back to his parents, despite— boden to be given back to his parents, despite them appearing to to— parents, despite them appearing to tto otout— parents, despite them appearing to lie about their— parents, despite them appearing to lie about their drug use. it tottouo— to lie about their drug use. it follows social—

to lie about their drug use. it follows social services asking for follows social services asking ton o— follows social services asking to a tour— follows social services asking for a four month— follows social services asking for a four month transition due to novtng— for a four month transition due to having some— for a four month transition due to having some concerns over pononttng— to having some concerns over parenting abilities. the baby ttot— parenting abilities. the baby ttot tn— parenting abilities. the baby died in derbyshire in 2020 after outtonng— died in derbyshire in 2020 after suffering multiple bone breaks and .— suffering multiple bone breaks and . turno— suffering multiple bone breaks and . burns the— suffering multiple bone breaks and . burns the first minister of and. burns the first minister of woos— and. burns the first minister of onto to— and. burns the first minister of wales is chairing— and. burns the first minister of wales is chairing a community noottng— wales is chairing a community noottng tn— wales is chairing a community meeting in cardiff after the tootno— meeting in cardiff after the tootno ot— meeting in cardiff after the deaths of two— meeting in cardiff after the deaths of two teenagers sparked a not— deaths of two teenagers sparked a not .— deaths of two teenagers sparked a not . a— deaths of two teenagers sparked a not . a to— deaths of two teenagers sparked a riot . a 16 year— deaths of two teenagers sparked a riot . a 16 year old kyrees a riot. a 16 year old kyrees sutttvon— a riot. a 16 year old kyrees sullivan and— a riot. a 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15— a riot. a 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey tvono— sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans were killed— sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans were killed while riding an evans were killed while riding on o—ttto— evans were killed while riding on o—ttto .— evans were killed while riding an e—bike . the— evans were killed while riding an e—bike . the police watchdog an e—bike. the police watchdog is investigating— an e—bike. the police watchdog is investigating after cctv tootogo— is investigating after cctv footage emerged showing a police van footage emerged showing a police tottoutng— footage emerged showing a police van following the— footage emerged showing a police van following the teens just totono— van following the teens just before their— van following the teens just before their deaths. cars were set before their deaths. cars were oot ottgnt— before their deaths. cars were set alight and— before their deaths. cars were set alight and windows smashed in. set alight and windows smashed tn. tno— set alight and windows smashed in. the violence— set alight and windows smashed in. the violence .— set alight and windows smashed in. the violence . with nine in. the violence. with nine poopto— in. the violence. with nine people remaining arrests tottoutng— people remaining arrests following the— people remaining arrests following the disorder . police following the disorder. police in following the disorder. police tn uottnonn— following the disorder. police in northern ireland have notoooot— in northern ireland have released new— in northern ireland have released new footage of several vontotoo— released new footage of several vehicles used— released new footage of several vehicles used by— released new footage of several vehicles used by the gunmen in oonnootont— vehicles used by the gunmen in connection with— vehicles used by the gunmen in connection with the attempted munont— connection with the attempted munont ot— connection with the attempted munont ot o— connection with the attempted murder of a senior police totoottvo— murder of a senior police totoottvo .— murder of a senior police detective . detective chief detective. detective chief tnonooton— detective. detective chief inspector john— detective. detective chief inspector john caldwell was shot

oovonot— inspector john caldwell was shot t ttmoo— inspector john caldwell was shot several times whilst coaching a youtn— several times whilst coaching a youth football— several times whilst coaching a youth football team at a sports onto— youth football team at a sports ontno tn— youth football team at a sports centre in omagh_ youth football team at a sports centre in omagh last february. otttoono— centre in omagh last february. officers believe— centre in omagh last february. officers believe the black monoton— officers believe the black mercedes benz was used both totono— mercedes benz was used both totono ont— mercedes benz was used both before and after— mercedes benz was used both before and after the attack to tnononont— before and after the attack to tnonopont tno— before and after the attack to transport the gunman and others may— transport the gunman and others may nom— transport the gunman and others may tnom tno— transport the gunman and others away from the scene . nine men away from the scene. nine men ont— away from the scene. nine men and two— away from the scene. nine men and two nomon— away from the scene. nine men and two women aged between 21 and two women aged between 21 ont 72— and two women aged between 21 and n noo— and two women aged between 21 and 72 were arrested this monntng. — and 72 were arrested this morning. will— and 72 were arrested this morning. will detective chief sounonotn— morning. will detective chief souverain attendant eamonn common— souverain attendant eamonn corrigan provided an update on tnooo— corrigan provided an update on those arrested— corrigan provided an update on those arrested . _ corrigan provided an update on those arrested . "t; corrigan provided an update on those arrested. "t; those arrested. they've been taken to the serious crime suite in musgrave police station , in musgrave police station, where they are currently being questioned by detectives . the questioned by detectives. the arrests are a significant- arrests are a significant development- arrests are a significant development in the investigation totoy. — development in the investigation totoy. .— development in the investigation totoy. . om— development in the investigation today. i am also— development in the investigation today. g today. i am also releasing new cctv footage and photographs of a number of cars used by the gunmen and those involved . on gunmen and those involved. on the night of and prior to john's attempt at murder on wednesday, the 22nd of february, an 18 year old teenager has been arrested

again days after being fined for entering someone's home without permission. ms e posted a video on no— permission. ms e posted a video on to soon— permission. ms e posted a video on his social media— permission. ms e posted a video on his social media of- cit" ms e posted a video on his social media of the not— on his social media of the not tno— on his social media of the arrest this morning. well onnon— arrest this morning. well earlier this— arrest this morning. well earlier this week, he pleaded guttty— earlier this week, he pleaded guttty ont— earlier this week, he pleaded guilty and apologised after being— guilty and apologised after being handed— guilty and apologised after being handed a criminal behaviour— being handed a criminal behaviour order for filming ntmoott— behaviour order for filming himself entering private nootonoot— himself entering private residence and posting them on oootot— residence and posting them on oootot motto.— residence and posting them on social media. he— residence and posting them on social media. he appeared at tnomoo— social media. he appeared at thames magistrates court and has noon— thames magistrates court and has toon .— thames magistrates court and has toon . ttnot— thames magistrates court and has been . fined £365.— thames magistrates court and has been . fined £365. an 11 year old been. fined £365. an 11 year old boy— been. fined £365. an 11 year old toy to— been. fined £365. an 11 year old toy to tn— been. fined £365. an 11 year old toy to tn o— been. fined £365. an 11 year old boy is in a critical— been. fined £365. an 11 year old boy is in a critical condition otton— boy is in a critical condition otton being— boy is in a critical condition after being hit— boy is in a critical condition after being hit by a police car in after being hit by a police car tn tonoooton— after being hit by a police car in lancaster ,_ after being hit by a police car in lancaster , pa.— after being hit by a police car in lancaster , pa. the force says in lancaster, pa. the force says it in lancaster, pa. the force says tt oo— in lancaster, pa. the force says it was intending— in lancaster, pa. the force says it was intending an emergency cott— it was intending an emergency oott nton— it was intending an emergency call when the— it was intending an emergency call when the collision occurred toot— call when the collision occurred toot mont— call when the collision occurred toot ntont. tno— call when the collision occurred last night. the officers are nonttno— last night. the officers are nonttno to— last night. the officers are working to establish what oxootty— working to establish what exactly happened and referred the incident— exactly happened and referred the incident to _ exactly happened and referred the incident to the police notontoo. — the incident to the police watchdog. well, former met ootootno — watchdog. well, former met detective kyiv_ watchdog. well, former met detective kyiv peter blakesley tott— detective kyiv peter blakesley tott on— detective kyiv peter blakesley tott on nono— detective kyiv peter blakesley told gb news the next step of the investigation,— told gb news the next step of the investigation, the scene of no- the investigation, the scene of this collision— the investigation, the scene of this collision will— the investigation, the scene of this collision will already have noon— this collision will already have been examined— this collision will already have been examined to— this collision will already have been examined to see if the ooottton— been examined to see if the poottton ot— been examined to see if the position of the— been examined to see if the position of the vehicle or any otton— position of the vehicle or any other vehicles— position of the vehicle or any other vehicles potentially

tnnotnot— other vehicles potentially involved any— other vehicles potentially involved any debris can give any monotono— involved any debris can give any tnttootono oo— involved any debris can give any indicators as to— involved any debris can give any indicators as to exactly how the ootttoton— indicators as to exactly how the collision occurred _ indicators as to exactly how the collision occurred together with any collision occurred together with my tyno— collision occurred together with my tyno nonto— collision occurred together with any tyre marks that there might be any tyre marks that there might to on— any tyre marks that there might to on tno— any tyre marks that there might be on the road. _ any tyre marks that there might be on the road. f be on the road. because from tyre marks, traffic , tyre marks, traffic, investigators can calculate speeds and the like , braking speeds and the like, braking distances and it's surprising just how much information a tyre mark can reveal. just how much information a tyre mark can reveal . the battle of mark can reveal. the battle of the atlantic commemorations have been taking place in liverpool with the princess royal as a guest of honour. it was the tonooot— guest of honour. it was the longest military— g ” it was the longest military campaign in nonto— longest military campaign in you non— longest military campaign in world war ii.— longest military campaign in world war ii. a— longest military campaign in world war ii. a service has been noto— world war ii. a service has been too ont— world war ii. a service has been held and concluded in a fly—past by held and concluded in a fly—past ty ntotonto— held and concluded in a fly—past by historic aircraft— held and concluded in a fly—past by historic aircraft on the 80th onmnonoony— by historic aircraft on the 80th anniversary arnie— by historic aircraft on the 80th anniversary arnie her royal ntonnooo— anniversary arnie her royal highness formally unveiled the oottto— highness formally unveiled the new battle of— highness formally unveiled the new battle of the— highness formally unveiled the new battle of the atlantic nomontot— new battle of the atlantic memorial garden. one of the veterans, ken— memorial garden. one of the veterans, ken benbow , told gb veterans, ken benbow, told gb nono— veterans, ken benbow, told gb nono no— veterans, ken benbow, told gb nono no ntn— veterans, ken benbow, told gb news he will never forget what he news he will never forget what no nont— news he will never forget what he went through.— news he will never forget what he went through. _ news he will never forget what he went through. " news he will never forget what he went through. “ he went through. i went in as a toy. — he went through. i went in as a toy. .— he went through. i went in as a boy. i came out as a man. i left school . i couldn't read or write

school. i couldn't read or write . everything i did. i school. i couldn't read or write . everything i did . i learnt . everything i did. i learnt from arnie . i learned from the from arnie. i learned from the navy. from arnie. i learned from the navy . i'm from arnie. i learned from the navy. i'm proud of it and i thank the navy . pope francis has thank the navy. pope francis has skipped meetings today because of a fever . the vatican hasn't of a fever. the vatican hasn't onnooo— of a fever. the vatican hasn't pnonttot ony— of a fever. the vatican hasn't provided any further- ”tints” the vatican hasn't provided any further details on the provided any further details on too oo— provided any further details on too so yoon— provided any further details on the 86 year old's_ provided any further details on the 86 year old's health, but noo— the 86 year old's health, but too oott— the 86 year old's health, but too oott no— the 86 year old's health, but has said he didn't receive yoo— has said he didn't receive ononoy tn— has said he didn't receive anyone in audiences this morning . it anyone in audiences this morning . tt onnoo— anyone in audiences this morning . tt otton— anyone in audiences this morning . it comes after he— anyone in audiences this morning . it comes after he spent five toyo— . it comes after he spent five toyo tn— . it comes after he spent five days in hospital— . it comes after he spent five days in hospital at the end of nonn— days in hospital at the end of moon. tnot— days in hospital at the end of march. that was— days in hospital at the end of march. that was for bronchitis. nut— march. that was for bronchitis. out no— march. that was for bronchitis. out no outotty— march. that was for bronchitis. but he quickly recovered tottontno— but he quickly recovered following a _ but he quickly recovered following a course of antibiotics- following a course of antibiotics .- following a course of antibiotics . gb news. we'll antibiotics. gb news. we'll onno— antibiotics. gb news. we'll bring you— antibiotics. gb news. we'll bring you more— antibiotics. gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. non— bring you more as it happens. non tnouon— bring you more as it happens. now though, back to . now though, back to. patrick

notoomo— now though, back to. patrick welcome along,— now though, back to. patrick welcome along, everybody. mu welcome along, everybody. now, people— welcome along, everybody. now, poopto nto— welcome along, everybody. now, people who think— welcome along, everybody. now, people who think record net migration figures are a good thing need to get out more. big cities absorb huge amounts of migrants. people in leafy rural areas aren't touched by it. but right across the country, there are towns that gary lineker in the bleeding heart brigade have never been to and would rather we all ignored places like boston . in lincolnshire, where boston. in lincolnshire, where i visited yesterday. it shatters the illusion that the 1.2 million people who arrived here last year are all high skilled individuals who benefit our economy right in the middle of that sleepy market town are groups of foreign men sitting around and drinking alcohol, smoking , drugs, committing smoking, drugs, committing crime. people will say this is a lazy stereotype, but i did see it firsthand . and i spoke to the it firsthand. and i spoke to the kind of people that the bbc will just ignore, like chris is the major issue as you can see or hear. it's they're all sitting tnono— hear. it's they're all sitting there drinking _ it's they're all sitting there drinking just now outside my onon— there drinking just now outside my onop, tnono— there drinking just now outside my shop, there was five sat tnono— my shop, there was five sat there drinking _ my shop, there was five sat there drinking police car, nuttot— there drinking police car, puttot un— there drinking police car, pulled up, asked them to move ,

pulled up, asked them to move, police— pulled up, asked them to move, nottoo on— pulled up, asked them to move, police car drove— pulled up, asked them to move, police car drove away. they toottot— police car drove away. they decided not— police car drove away. they decided not to— police car drove away. they decided not to move on my phone. non— decided not to move on my phone. non tno— decided not to move on my phone. non we got— decided not to move on my phone. non we got o— decided not to move on my phone. now i've got a video— decided not to move on my phone. now i've got a video of— decided not to move on my phone. now i've got a video of one- decided not to move on my phone. now i've got a video of one of- now i've got a video of one of them just urinating up the door. and this is all in front of the count— and this is all in front of the council offices— and this is all in front of the council offices as— and this is all in front of the council offices as well. the count— council offices as well. the council office _ council offices as well. the council office has the exact same view of— council office has the exact same view of me and they don't do same view of me and they don't to onytntno— same view of me and they don't do anything about— same view of me and they don't do anything about it. \t:::t ctzt g do anything about it. not doing anything. so what? every do anything about it. no oo o g , every pro anything. so what? every pro mass migration— anything. so what? every pro mass migration politic,- g , every pro mass migration politic, asian oottttoot— mass migration politic, asian political commentator virtually ottttno— political commentator virtually sitting - should - political commentator virtually sitting - should go - political commentator virtually sitting should go and do sitting luvvie should go and do is sitting luvvie should go and do to—ttto- sitting luvvie should go and do. to—ttto oooton is move to somewhere like boston get is move to somewhere like boston got out— is move to somewhere like boston got out ot— is move to somewhere like boston got out on you— is move to somewhere like boston get out of your surrey mansion ont— get out of your surrey mansion ont go— get out of your surrey mansion ont go ont— get out of your surrey mansion and go and live— get out of your surrey mansion and go and live in— get out of your surrey mansion and go and live in boston. but tnoy— and go and live in boston. but tnoy non-t— and go and live in boston. but tnoy non-t ot— and go and live in boston. but they won't of course, because tnoy— they won't of course, because tnoy ton-t— they won't of course, because tnoy oont-to— they won't of course, because they don't -to - in - they won't of course, because they don't to in an they don't want to live in an tnot-o— they don't want to live in an area that's facing the real nonto— area that's facing the real world. repercussions of their ttootogy. — world. repercussions of their ttootogy. .price- world. repercussions of their ideology. price people in ideology. the price people in onttnony— ideology. the price people in ordinary communities pay for a tnootton— ordinary communities pay for a tnootton ot— ordinary communities pay for a tnootton ot o— ordinary communities pay for a fraction of a percentage on the oon— fraction of a percentage on the gdp spreadsheet— fraction of a percentage on the gdp spreadsheet is this more nmo— gdp spreadsheet is this more ton— gdp spreadsheet is this more crime low wages— gdp spreadsheet is this more crime low wages in many all ootono— crime low wages in many all sectors worse access to public oonnooo— sectors worse access to public oonnooo o— sectors worse access to public services, a housing crisis and tno— services, a housing crisis and too noottty— services, a housing crisis and the reality that— services, a housing crisis and the reality that they've been too— the reality that they've been ttot to — the reality that they've been ttot to ty— the reality that they've been lied to by their— the reality that they've been lied to by their politicians otout— lied to by their politicians otout ony— lied to by their politicians about any desire to get the numotno— about any desire to get the numbers down. _ about any desire to get the numbers down. all over the county— numbers down. all over the country, there _ numbers down. all over the country, there are places like oooton— country, there are places like boston, places— country, there are places like boston, places that simply do not ooo— boston, places that simply do not tno— boston, places that simply do not see the benefit of record mtonotton. — not see the benefit of record migration. now,— not see the benefit of record migration. now, if boston sounds like migration. now, if boston sounds ttto nnono— migration. now, if boston sounds ttto nnono you— migration. now, if boston sounds like where you live, i want to

nmon— like where you live, i want to know otout— like where you live, i want to know about it.— like where you live, i want to know about it. it's time that we moto— know about it. it's time that we made sure that— know about it. it's time that we made sure that the— know about it. it's time that we made sure that the reality of tno— made sure that the reality of the situation _ made sure that the reality of the situation was exposed . so the situation was exposed. so tnot-o— the situation was exposed. so tnot-o nnot— the situation was exposed. so tnot-o nnot .— the situation was exposed. so that's what i think i want to noon— that's what i think i want to noon tnom — that's what i think i want to hear from you.— hear from you. vaiews@gbnews.uk. hear from you. - vaiews@gbnews.uk. and noon tnom you. — vaiews@gbnews.uk. and also dot com. i've even got— vaiews@gbnews.uk. and also dot com. i've even got the new email nnong— com. i've even got the new email nnong .— com. i've even got the new email nnong . mono— com. i've even got the new email nnong . tnono no— com. i've even got the new email nnong . tnono no go.— com. i've even got the new email wrong . there we go. but i'd also wrong. there we go. but i'd also nont— wrong. there we go. but i'd also wont to— wrong. there we go. but i'd also want to extend— wrong. there we go. but i'd also want to extend a— wrong. there we go. but i'd also want to extend a massive thank you— want to extend a massive thank you to— want to extend a massive thank you to tno— want to extend a massive thank you to too poopto— want to extend a massive thank you to the people of boston yootontoy. — you to the people of boston yootontoy. nt— you to the people of boston yesterday. it was— you to the people of boston yesterday. it was our net mtgnotton— yesterday. it was our net migration special until we were onontoton— migration special until we were overtaken -outside. overtaken by events outside oonntno— overtaken by events outside downing street. _ overtaken by events outside downing street. of course, i iuot— downing street. of course, i not—o- downing street. of course, i just—a massivei downing street. of course, i- just_a massive thank just want to say a massive thank you.— just want to say a massive thank you. no— just want to say a massive thank you. no moot— just want to say a massive thank you. no noot to— just want to say a massive thank you. we need to do— just want to say a massive thank you. we need to do a bit more of mot.— you. we need to do a bit more of tnot.|tntnt— you. we need to do a bit more of tnot.|tntnt .— you. we need to do a bit more of that.ithink i want— you. we need to do a bit more of that. think i want do a bit that. i think i want to do a bit ot— that. i think i want to do a bit ot mot,— that. i think i want to do a bit more of that, get— that. i think i want to do a bit more of that, get out and about, but more of that, get out and about, tut-iotnot— more of that, get out and about, tut-iotnot tn— more of that, get out and about, but joined in studio now but i'm joined in the studio now by but i'm joined in the studio now toy-pontoo— but i'm joined in the studio now by political reporter by gb news political reporter onno— by gb news political reporter onno-nno— by gb news political reporter olivia and olivia, olivia utley. and olivia, tnono-o— olivia utley. and olivia, tnono-o-to- olivia utley. and olivia,- there's-to .through there's a lot to pick through totoy— there's a lot to pick through totoy-tooot— there's a lot to pick through today, least idea that today, not least the idea that suotto— today, not least the idea that suella braverman apparently is ptonntng— suella braverman apparently is planning deporting around suella braverman apparently is plann asylum ieporting around suella braverman apparently is plann asylum seekersi around suella braverman apparently is plann asylum seekersi amonth 3000 asylum seekers a month is no- 3000 asylum seekers a month is no oonnooto — 3000 asylum seekers a month is this correct? -this- 3000 asylum seekers a month is this correct? -this is- 3000 asylum seekers a month is this correct? -this is a- this correct? well, this is a briefing that has leaked briefing that has been leaked from office to the from the home office to the guardian, i don't think guardian, and i don't think these are numbers that suella braverman herself is particularly the particularly keen to push in the pubuc particularly keen to push in the public eye. sounds as though public eye. it sounds as though some servants in the home

some civil servants in the home office have believe, and office have kyiv believe, and perhaps good evidence perhaps they have good evidence to that suella to think that that is suella braverman small policy braverman small boats policy is unworkable and it unworkable in practise and it seems reading between the lines again, and don't know this again, and we don't know this but leaked this document to but have leaked this document to the guardian essentially to illustrate it is illustrate the idea that it is an unworkable policy. so what this briefing lays out is that 3000 migrants, if suella braverman was to keep to her plan. 3000 migrants would have to be deported every month. now, obviously, that comes with huge, huge costs. each those huge costs. each of those migrants would need a solicitor to sit them, sit with them through their case. those sort of immigration solicitors cost around £75 an hour and 3000 migrants. that's not just going to take one hour to get through there. cases also, of course, there. cases also, of course, the cost of the flights themselves. now suella braverman would that the point of would argue that the point of the small boats policy is apart from anything else, a deterrent. yes. if you if you say that people can't stay in the uk, that they will immediately be deported and then theoretically fewer of them should come over.

but it seems perhaps that her civil servants don't believe that. so the way i'm reading this is that perhaps there's a little bit of a disagreement going on the office. going on in the home office. shocking. people going to shocking. people are going to implement nato implement the policy. no nato making mean no way making it. no way. mean no way ooutt— making it. no way. mean no way ooutt tnot— making it. no way. mean no way could that possibly— making it. no way. mean no way could that possibly be— g c no way. mean no way could that possibly be the case? an otootot— could that possibly be the case? an elected member of our ponttomont— an elected member of our parliament and- an elected member of our parliament and our cabinet tnytng— parliament and our cabinet tnytng to— parliament and our cabinet trying to enact— parliament and our cabinet trying to enact a policy that in a roundabout— trying to enact a policy that in a roundabout way— trying to enact a policy that in a roundabout way the public have ootoo— a roundabout way the public have notot on— a roundabout way the public have voted on consistently for toootoo— voted on consistently for decades would be undermined by onn— decades would be undermined by civil servants?— decades would be undermined by civil servants? that— decades would be undermined by civil servants? that can't be tnuo— civil servants? that can't be tnuo . — civil servants? that can't be tnuo . noy— civil servants? that can't be true . may not— civil servants? that can't be true . may not be- civil servants? that can't be true . moat civil servants? that can't be true . civil servants? that can't be- true . may not be the case. maybe true. may not be the case. maybe i'm reading too much into it, but the fact that this particular briefing was leaked to the guardian in particular, i think is relatively telling. and of course , this this document, of course, this this document, briefing, document was a genuine briefing, document was a genuine briefing document created by the home office, created useful home office, created for useful purposes. and it doesn't actually, course, that actually, of course, say that the small policy is a bad the small boats policy is a bad policy, but the fact that it was leaked at this particular moment suggests to me that perhaps civil servants were are keen to highlight the idea, which they feel is represented in this briefing document, that the

policy unworkable all and at policy is unworkable all and at least unless, of course, we got more involved. is more countries involved. this is part of it, isn't it?— more countries involved. this is part of it, isn't it? because- part of it, isn't it? because noutt— part of it, isn't it? because some would argue and in light of the some would argue and in light of tno—t— some would argue and in light of tno—t oon— some would argue and in light of the—i saw with- some would argue and in light of the—i saw with my- the things that i saw with my oyoo— the things that i saw with my own eyes yesterday, own eyes in boston yesterday, poooto— own eyes in boston yesterday, poopto noutt— own eyes in boston yesterday, people would also argue that it is , people would also argue that it to-, otto— people would also argue that iti to-, onto-nugo is unworthy, able to have huge numotno— is unworthy, able to have huge numbers-who,- is unworthy, able to have huge numbers who, despite numbers of people who, despite not— numbers of people who, despite nnot—ooy- numbers of people who, despite nnot—ooy t-m- numbers of people who, despite what—say i'm sorry,| what people may say i'm sorry, are what people may say i'm sorry, ono-ootuotty— what people may say i'm sorry, are actually working every are not actually working every otngto— are not actually working every otngto-tn— are not actually working every single-in this— are not actually working every single in this country, single day in this country, are not— single day in this country, are| not—onontttng not actually actively providing a not actually actively providing o not— not actually actively providing a net benefit— not actually actively providing a net benefit to— not actually actively providing a net benefit to our economy. not— a net benefit to our economy. yuot toungtng— a net benefit to our economy. just lounging around areas where do just lounging around areas where to tnoy— just lounging around areas where to tnoy tno— just lounging around areas where to tnoy tno 7— just lounging around areas where do they live ? what do they do? do they live? what do they do? non— do they live? what do they do? how muon— do they live? what do they do? how muon to— do they live? what do they do? how much is that— do they live? what do they do? how much is that costing the onton— how much is that costing the british taxpayer? _ how much is that costing the british taxpayer? so be british taxpayer? so it might be tntonoottno— british taxpayer? so it might be tntonoottno-o- british taxpayer? so it might be interesting-a civil- interesting if we had a civil oonnoo— interesting if we had a civil oonnoo-noo— interesting if we had a civil service was focusing a bit service that was focusing a bit monoo—t- service that was focusing a bit monoo—t tntnoi service that was focusing a biti more _of thing and more on that side of thing and not.— more on that side of thing and not. non,— more on that side of thing and not. well, no— more on that side of thing and not. well, we can't— more on that side of thing and not. well, we can't possibly tooont— not. well, we can't possibly topont-mony- not. well, we can't possiblyi deport-many-all not. well, we can't possibly. deport-many-all to deport that many people all to tnomto— deport that many people all to rwanda..that's_ deport that many people all to rwanda. that's the latest in rwanda. so that's the latest in tonmo— rwanda. so that's the latest in tonmo-oottoy— rwanda. so that's the latest in tonmo-oottoy ot- rwanda. so that's the latest in terms policy at the terms of that policy at the momom — terms of that policy at the moment. .far- terms of that policy at the moment. .far as- terms of that policy at the- moment. .far as-aware, moment. as far as we're aware, tooot— moment. as far as we're aware, tooot onount— moment. as far as we're aware, based around essentially leak based around essentially a leak to tno— based around essentially a leak to the guardian,— based around essentially a leak to the guardian, is— based around essentially a leak to the guardian, is that oonnooto— to the guardian, is that correct? yes— to the guardian, is that correct? yes right. but of -tno- correct? yes right. but of course, the government is course, what the government is also talking about now and the focus of switch, given focus are sort of switch, given the yesterday legal the figures yesterday to legal migration illegal migration rather than illegal migration. sort migration. the government sort of that it's at least of feels that it's at least beginning that in hand. beginning to get that in hand. the illegal migration problem, the go through

the bill is about to go through its stage third its third stage in the third reading lords. now reading in the lords. now they're on legal they're focusing on legal migration that front it migration and on that front it seems as though there is a battle on at the very top battle going on at the very top of government, at the very top of government, at the very top of cabinet, the side of cabinet, on the one side you've got suella braverman who is to bring up the is really keen to bring up the figure at migrants who are figure at which migrants who are on work have to be earning on work visas have to be earning before allowed come before they're allowed to come here. believes it should be here. she believes it should be the median wage, £33,000 or something that . and they something around that. and they are going to they're planning to put it up to that . but there put it up to that. but there is a lot opposition from jeremy a lot of opposition from jeremy hunt, chancellor here, who hunt, the chancellor here, who wants to keep young migrants in the country because it's an easy, quick plug for holes in the economy . and from gillian the economy. and from gillian keegan, the education secretary who is worried about the influence of the impact of taking away foreign students from the finances. well, she thought it was a fantastic thing, said was great thing, she said it was great that they'd hit their target eight years early of amount eight years early of the amount of who arriving on of people who were arriving on on visas. and jeremy on student visas. and jeremy gum,— on student visas. and jeremy gum, no— on student visas. and jeremy gum, no-nttt- on student visas. and jeremy hunt, no -will be - on student visas. and jeremyi hunt, no -will be looking hunt, no doubt will be looking at hunt, no doubt will be looking ot-tnooo— hunt, no doubt will be looking at-those growth- hunt, no doubt will be looking at those growth numbers hunt, no doubt will be looking at tryingiose growth numbers hunt, no doubt will be looking at trying toe growth numbers hunt, no doubt will be looking at trying to see, wth numbers hunt, no doubt will be looking at trying to see, well, umbers hunt, no doubt will be looking at trying to see, well, look, rs and trying to see, well, look,

oon—mooo- and trying to see, well, look,| can _these numbers can i massage these numbers ottgnttyo— can i massage these numbers ottgnttyo-iuot- slightly? i would just reiterate, _ slightly? i would just reiterate, i- slightly? i would just reiterate, i would strongly urge yonomy— reiterate, i would strongly urge yonomy-ot— reiterate, i would strongly urge jeremy-of course,- reiterate, i would strongly urge jeremy of course, won't jeremy hunt, of course, he won't do jeremy hunt, of course, he won't to-to— jeremy hunt, of course, he won't to-to iuot— jeremy hunt, of course, he won't to-to iuot go— jeremy hunt, of course, he won't do-to just go and- jeremy hunt, of course, he won't do to just go and live in do this to just go and live in ptoooo— do this to just go and live in places-boston- do this to just go and live in places boston and just see places like boston and just see the places like boston and just see too noottttoo— places like boston and just see the realities of— places like boston and just see the realities of the situation mono.— the realities of the situationi mono—non there. olivia, thank you very muon. —oun- much. olivia utley, our pottttoot— much. olivia utley, our- political-throughout political reporter throughout the political reporter throughout tno—onon- political reporter throughouti the _ show today, the course of the show today, t-m — the course of the show today, m -to— the course of the show today, i'm-to.talking- the course of the show today, i'm -to .talking a - the course of the show today, i'm to talking a lot i'm going to be talking a lot onout— i'm going to be talking a lot otout tno— i'm going to be talking a lot about this, whether or not the tnonto— about this, whether or not the tnonto oton— about this, whether or not the rwanda plan-is- about this, whether or not the rwanda plan is workable rwanda plan itself is workable gnom— rwanda plan itself is workable gnon—noot- given that we would need opponontty— given that we would need apparently around given that we would need- apparently-around 3000 apparently to deport around 3000 poooto—oounto- apparently to deport around 3000 people—sounds to- apparently to deport around 3000 people sounds to me people a month. it sounds to me nto— people a month. it sounds to me ttto noo— people a month. it sounds to me ttto gotng— people a month. it sounds to me like we're going to— people a month. it sounds to me like we're going to have to get otton— like we're going to have to get other countries— like we're going to have to get other countries on— like we're going to have to get other countries on board, but t-m — other countries on board, but. t-m —tonn i'm also wanting to drill down on o oouoto— i'm also wanting to drill down on o ooupto ot— i'm also wanting to drill down on a couple of other elements as non.— on a couple of other elements as non-nmon— on a couple of other elements as well.-which.about- on a couple of other elements as well. which about the well. one of which is about the nont— well. one of which is about the nono-ot— well. one of which is about the rapid of demographic change well. one of which is about the ra|this of demographic change well. one of which is about the ra|this country. mographic change well. one of which is about the ra|this country. so graphic change well. one of which is about the ra|this country. so ifaphic change well. one of which is about the ra|this country. so if weic change well. one of which is about the ra|this country. so if we haveinge in this country. so if we have onount— in this country. so if we have around 900,000— in this country. so if we have around 900,000 people a year onnno— around 900,000 people a year onnntno tnom— around 900,000 people a year arriving from non— around 900,000 people a year arriving from non nations, arriving from non eu nations, otoonty— arriving from non eu nations, clearly-would- arriving from non eu nations, clearly would imply that clearly that would imply that tnono— clearly that would imply that mono-to— clearly that would imply that tnono-to to- clearly that would imply that there to be some kind there is going to be some kind of demographic— of demographic shift greater tnom— of demographic shift greater tnonlno— of demographic shift greater than .we-had- of demographic shift greater than we had mass eu than if we just had mass eu mtgnotton— than if we just had mass eu migration .the_ than if we just had mass eu migration the uk. than if we just had mass eu- migration .the uk.-that migration in the uk. what's that going— migration in the uk. what's that gong-nton— migration in the uk. what's that gong-nton t-m- migration in the uk. what's that going like? i'm also going to look like? i'm also going— going to look like? i'm also gotng-totttng- going to look like? i'm also. going-talking-this, going to be talking about this, nmon— going to be talking about this, nnton-toouo— going to be talking about this, which-issue that- going to be talking about this, which issue that was just which is an issue that was just ttotontty—mo- blatantly obvious to me yootontoy. — blatantly obvious to me yesterday. if— blatantly obvious to me yesterday. if people do come as part— yesterday. if people do come as oont ot— yesterday. if people do come as oont ot tno— yesterday. if people do come as oont on too tug— yesterday. if people do come as part of the big catch all policy tnot— part of the big catch all policy mot-ot— part of the big catch all policy that-of jeremy- part of the big catch all policy that of jeremy hunt that the likes of jeremy hunt oppoonot— that the likes of jeremy hunt appeared .want_ that the likes of jeremy hunt appeared want order to appeared to want in order to iuot— appeared to want in order to iuot moooogo— appeared to want in order to just massage our economy a ttttto— just massage our economy a ttttto-tnoy— just massage our economy a little-they come- little bit, if they come and tnoy—unto- little bit, if they come and they-little bit. little bit, if they come and. they-little bit and they work for a little bit and

tnoy— they work for a little bit and tnoy tuot— they work for a little bit and they just decide _ they work for a little bit and they just decide to not go home ont— they just decide to not go home ont tnoy— they just decide to not go home ont tnoy tno— they just decide to not go home and they live in— they just decide to not go home and they live in shared accommodation and hang around the accommodation and hang around tno—toy— accommodation and hang around tno—toy .— accommodation and hang around tno—toy , non- accommodation and hang around tno—toy , non on- the streets all day, how on oontn— the streets all day, how on oontnlno— the streets all day, how on earth-we keep- the streets all day, how on earth we keep of the streets all day, how on. earth .we keep-of all the streets all day, how on- earth .we keep-of all of earth do we keep track of all of tnooo— earth do we keep track of all of these-because- earth do we keep track of all of these because there these people? because there is no these people? because there is -nonyono to- these people? because there is no anyone is going to no way that anyone is going to tott— no way that anyone is going to tott-tnot. — no way that anyone is going to tell-that. quite— no way that anyone is going to tell-that. quite a- no way that anyone is going to tell that. quite a lot of the tell me that. quite a lot of the poooto— tell me that. quite a lot of the poopto tnot— tell me that. quite a lot of the poopto tnot .— tell me that. quite a lot of the people that i was— tell me that. quite a lot of the people that i was seeing in otoooo— people that i was seeing in ptoooo nto— people that i was seeing in places like boston yesterday, for places like boston yesterday, ton oxompto— places like boston yesterday, for example, actually for example, were actually noony— for example, were actually nootty—to i for example, were actually nootty—to to really still supposed to be nono.— really still supposed to be nono—tnoy- really still supposed to be. here._they doing? here. what were they doing? but joining—a— here. what were they doing? but joining—a slightly- joining me now on a slightly different— joining me now on a slightly different issue,— joining me now on a slightly different issue, related , different issue, related, though,— different issue, related, though, former chief though, is the former chief immigration— though, is the former chief immigration uk though, is the former chief- immigration-uk border immigration officer at uk border force— immigration officer at uk border fee keen— immigration officer at uk border force, kevin because force, kevin saunders. because of force, kevin saunders. because of_,_ force, kevin saunders. because of_, so— force, kevin saunders. because of_, 50 migrants. force, kevin saunders. because of_, 50 migrants ini of this reason, 50 migrants in a fleundang— of this reason, 50 migrants in a floundering dinghy have eppeeenfly— floundering dinghy have apparently said no to being eeeued— apparently said no to being eeeued by— apparently said no to being rescued by the— apparently said no to being rescued by the french navy, but they— rescued by the french navy, but they wee— rescued by the french navy, but they were happy— rescued by the french navy, but they were happy to hop aboard a uk they were happy to hop aboard a we fewer— they were happy to hop aboard a uk border force— they were happy to hop aboard a uk border force vessel and a gb newe— uk border force vessel and a gb news camera. just— uk border force vessel and a gb news camera. just before i bring weww— news camera. just before i bring eeww .p,_ news camera. just before i bring weww .p, eeww— news camera. just before i bring weww .p, eeww e— news camera. just before i bring kevin up, sorry, a gb news gee— kevin up, sorry, a gb news camera got exclusive live footage— camera got exclusive live feeeege ef— camera got exclusive live footage of the— camera got exclusive live footage of the migrants arriving on footage of the migrants arriving ewe-shores— footage of the migrants arriving on shores yesterday morning on our shores yesterday morning . i on our shores yesterday morning . . mfgw— on our shores yesterday morning . . might-able— on our shores yesterday morning . i might-able to— on our shores yesterday morning . i might able to play that . i might be able to play that for . i might be able to play that fee-fw— . i might be able to play that for-inlsecond.- . i might be able to play that for in second. let's bring for you in a second. let's bring weww— for you in a second. let's bring ewe-en.— for you in a second. let's bring kevin-on.-bring- for you in a second. let's bring. kevin-on.-bring kevin kevin back on. we'll bring kevin beek— kevin back on. we'll bring kevin week-why— kevin back on. we'll bring kevin week-why new— kevin back on. we'll bring kevin back why not? former chief back on. why not? former chief mefgeewew— immigration officer at uk border feee— immigration officer at uk border force-saunders. - force kevin saunders. kevin i ewe— force kevin saunders. kevin i mean, this just— force kevin saunders. kevin i mean, this just shows that we're a sew— mean, this just shows that we're a soft fewew— mean, this just shows that we're a soft touch, doesn't say if the feewew— a soft touch, doesn't say if the feewew-ee— a soft touch, doesn't say if the french -or they - a soft touch, doesn't say if the french -or they say- a soft touch, doesn't say if the french or they say not to french say no or they say not to we— french say no or they say not to we werew— french say no or they say not to

we feewew. why— french say no or they say not to the french. why do— french say no or they say not to the french. why do we have to say— the french. why do we have to say yes?— the french. why do we have to say yes? — the french. why do we have to say yes? vow-e— the french. why do we have to say yes? you're quite- the french. why do we have to say yes? /11”w1i; :. ”g“. say yes? you're quite right. patrick this absolute patrick this is an absolute shocker. really is. i mean, shocker. this really is. i mean, the it would appear that the migrant boat was well, in french waters . the french said that the waters. the french said that the boat was in distress . they boat was in distress. they offered to rescue them as they are required to do law of the sea, etcetera. and the migrants said, no, we want the brits to do it. i just cannot believe it's true. what astonishes me even more is that we actually sent a boat out. this is the www. — sent a boat out. this is the www. .— sent a boat out. this is the fffng. f mean— sent a boat out. this is the fffng. f .— sent a boat out. this is the thing. i mean , this- sent a boat out. this is the thing. i mean , this is- this is the thing. i mean , this is the thing. i mean, this is the twee.— thing. i mean, this is the thing, kevin. - thing. i mean, this is the thing, kevin. 1“ c thing, kevin. this is it's all it's all very well and good. kevin. it's all very well and good going. well, i wish that i was, you know, i mean, i would quite like to be in mauritius now, but i'm not. i'm here in paddington, and as much as i love my job, you mauritius love my job, you know, mauritius does lovely, does look quite lovely, especially at this time of year. so by virtue of getting in so just by virtue of getting in a setting off from a dinghy and setting off from the coast calais, if you're the coast of calais, if you're in french waters, we're paying

the french. many tens the french. however, many tens or of millions of or hundreds of millions of pounds by do that pounds it is by now to do that job. a of migrants can pounds it is by now to do that job. no, of migrants can pounds it is by now to do that job. no, i of migrants can pounds it is by now to do that job. no, i just of migrants can pounds it is by now to do that job. no, i just i of migrants can pounds it is by now to do that job. no, ijust i do.nigrants can pounds it is by now to do that job. no, ijust i do. iigrants can pounds it is by now to do that job. no, ijust i do. i really can say, no, ijust i do. i really would like to go britain, would like to go to britain, please. and then we go and get them. it's absolutely ludicrous. i them. it's absolutely ludicrous. f ween.— them. it's absolutely ludicrous. f ween-feet— them. it's absolutely ludicrous. i mean,-boat came- it's absolutely ludicrous. i mean, boat came off i mean, this boat came off just werew— i mean, this boat came off just new ef— i mean, this boat came off just north of boulogne, it's north of boulogne, so it's a wee— north of boulogne, so it's a mweff fewgee— north of boulogne, so it's a much longer crossing. it's a wee— much longer crossing. it's a much more risky— much longer crossing. it's a much more risky crossing. i understand— much more risky crossing. i understand there were currents in understand there were currents fw fw— understand there were currents fe fe way— understand there were currents in in play yesterday which which eeerf— in in play yesterday which which eeerf fewe— in in play yesterday which which could have swept— in in play yesterday which which could have swept the boat further— could have swept the boat further down _ could have swept the boat further down the channel so they were definitely— further down the channel so they were definitely in— further down the channel so they were definitely in a— further down the channel so they were definitely in a very risky ereefew— were definitely in a very risky ereefew .— were definitely in a very risky situation . and— were definitely in a very risky situation . and the french should situation. and the french should have— situation. and the french should have feeewed— situation. and the french should have rescued them. and that's the end— have rescued them. and that's the ewe ef— have rescued them. and that's the end of fe.— have rescued them. and that's the end of it. we— have rescued them. and that's the end of it. we should not have— the end of it. we should not have been— the end of it. we should not have been involved at all. and fm— have been involved at all. and f-m ee— have been involved at all. and f-m w e— have been involved at all. and f-m w e fees— have been involved at all. and i'm at a loss to— have been involved at all. and i'm at a loss to understand why we eeweuw— i'm at a loss to understand why we actually deployed one of our fewe— we actually deployed one of our fewe- f— we actually deployed one of our eeeee. f weew— we actually deployed one of our boats. i mean, it's— we actually deployed one of our boats. i mean, it's ridiculous . boats. i mean, it's ridiculous. it boats. i mean, it's ridiculous. fe fe— boats. i mean, it's ridiculous. it is absolutely— boats. i mean, it's ridiculous. it is absolutely astonishing, really, that we went above and beyond and it just come not so long after there were reports anyway that when we had those tragic deaths in the channel that people were trying to get

help and call for help and things like that. and the french were basically well, were basically saying, well, they're in british they're in they're in british waters, we're just going to waters, so we're just going to leave people and leave them. people died. and whereas the other hand, whereas we on the other hand, are to above and are willing to go above and beyond. that is the thing , beyond. and that is the thing, isn't it? it's a really i was going to say, it's a really tncky going to say, it's a really tricky one. it's not really because we can't have people dying. course we dying. of course we can't. we can't responsible for that. can't be responsible for that. but french basically but if the french are basically throwing up, as throwing the white flag up, as it and saying, we're not it were, and saying, we're not going anything about it, going to do anything about it, then has to be us, doesn't then that has to be us, doesn't it? and i don't understand why we're still bothering pay we're still bothering to pay them. well, i mean, if you if you happened in you look at what's happened in france with the france yesterday with the announcement 15 french announcement that 15 french officers are going to be charged with something along the lines of involuntary manslaughter because death of these because of the death of these migrants in 2021, that to me , i migrants in 2021, that to me, i if i was in charge of the french vessel, i would be rescuing those people. so that i didn't fewe— those people. so that i didn't wewe wee— those people. so that i didn't have that one— those people. so that i didn't have that one laid— those people. so that i didn't have that one laid at- so that i didn't have that one laid at my door. swee— have that one laid at my door. stee fee— have that one laid at my door. since it's entirely— have that one laid at my door. since it's entirely in french

were— since it's entirely in french weeee .— since it's entirely in french waters . this— since it's entirely in french waters . this is— since it's entirely in french waters . this is a very simple waters. this is a very simple fe— waters. this is a very simple fe wee— waters. this is a very simple one. it was in— waters. this is a very simple one. it was in french waters wwew— one. it was in french waters when we— one. it was in french waters when the distress was first announced. the- when the distress was first announced. the migrant said, no, no, we're fine. we'll— announced. the migrant said, no, no, we're fine. we'll we'll be eweeeee— no, we're fine. we'll we'll be eweeeee fw— no, we're fine. we'll we'll be rescued by the _ no, we're fine. we'll we'll be rescued by the brits. no efeeerw-e— rescued by the brits. no shouldn't have happened. aeeereew— shouldn't have happened. absolutely not. kevin, thank you eew— absolutely not. kevin, thank you eew wwew— absolutely not. kevin, thank you eew wwefe ee— absolutely not. kevin, thank you very much as ever. 1“ very much as ever. kevin seeweeee— very much as ever. kevin saunders there, four fs, former chief immigration officer at uk border force, a neat little roundup there. as i've said later on in the show, i'm going to be having a look at what happens when people do arrive here overstay. easy is here and overstay. how easy is it keep track of people? do it to keep track of people? do we keep track of people? we even keep track of people? because idea that because it is that idea that leads suggest that the leads me to suggest that the number others that we saw yesterday, there record yesterday, if there was record net migration figures, don't actually full truth. actually give us the full truth. i remain resolutely unconvinced that it was only and i say only that it was only and i say only that with my eyes wide open. 606,000. the net migration figure i for the life of me, refused to believe that we are keeping track of everybody or indeed pretty much anybody actually who decides that they are overstaying and melts away into the countryside. but you can get loads more that story

can get loads more on that story on website. simply on our website. simply head to gb .com where you will find gb news .com where you will find the best analysis and opinion as well as all the latest breaking news. but another day, another clash between a motorist and just stop oil fanatics trying to stop people going about their daily business. not just that one chap leans out of his car and appears i've got and appears to say, i've got a hospital appointment to go to that from oil goes that guy from just stop oil goes , believe him. excuse me , i don't believe him. excuse me , do you to play god? i'm , do you get to play god? i'm patrick christie's on gb news, britain's

you're listening to gb news feeeee— you're listening to gb news feeefe .— you're listening to gb news feeefe . — you're listening to gb news radio . welcome- you're listening to gb news radio . f f radio. welcome back. now radio. f f now just in radio. welcome back. now just in a radio. welcome back. now just in ewwew— radio. welcome back. now just in ewwew f— radio. welcome back. now just in e e f wfff— radio. welcome back. now just in a moment i will get— radio. welcome back. now just in a moment i will get the— radio. f f now just in a moment i will get the very feeeee— a moment i will get the very feeeee ew— a moment i will get the very latest on the— a moment i will get the very latest on the plans to eeeeeewew— latest on the plans to apparently stop animal rights eeeeeeeeee— apparently stop animal rights protesters from _ apparently stop animal rights protesters from disrupting one of we— protesters from disrupting one of the world's— protesters from disrupting one of the world's most famous horse awe— of the world's most famous horse races. and there— of the world's most famous horse races. and there is— of the world's most famous horse races. and there is an update eww— races. and there is an update eeew fewweee— races. and there is an update from portugal as— races. and there is an update from portugal as well on the eeeeew— from portugal as well on the eeeeefe eee— from portugal as well on the search for madeleine mccann . so search for madeleine mccann. so we-ff— search for madeleine mccann. so wen-wee— search for madeleine mccann. so we-ff-wee ee— search for madeleine mccann. so we'll-that to you. - search for madeleine mccann. so we'll that to you. but we'll bring that to you. but we— we'll bring that to you. but we ewewee— we'll bring that to you. but just another little piece of wee— just another little piece of news first just— just another little piece of news first just off, oil protesters _ news first just off, oil protesters have clashed with a weeeefee— protesters have clashed with a motorist-this-a.

protesters have clashed with a. motorist-this-a man motorist again. this time a man ewwe— motorist again. this time a man ewwe we— motorist again. this time a man ewwe we ee— motorist again. this time a man drove his car on— motorist again. this time a man drove his car on the pavement to get drove his car on the pavement to eee ewwe— drove his car on the pavement to get around these— drove his car on the pavement to get around these eco activists. a weweee— get around these eco activists. a wwweee ee— get around these eco activists. a number of people walked very ewwew— a number of people walked very eeeww along— a number of people walked very slowly along the— a number of people walked very slowly along the old kent road in slowly along the old kent road fw sewe— slowly along the old kent road in south east— slowly along the old kent road in south east london. so at feeee— in south east london. so at feeee ewe— in south east london. so at least two police _ in south east london. so at least two police officers can be seen here. one— least two police officers can be seen here. one is— least two police officers can be seen here. one is explaining wee— seen here. one is explaining we we— seen here. one is explaining that the driver— seen here. one is explaining that the driver says that he has a that the driver says that he has e feeeeeeee— that the driver says that he has a hospital appointment so that can a hospital appointment so that ee— a hospital appointment so that fee feeeee— a hospital appointment so that can be heard in— a hospital appointment so that can be heard in the video to waefe— can be heard in the video to erfefe e— can be heard in the video to which a protester says, i don't eeffewe— which a protester says, i don't eeffewe fe.— which a protester says, i don't believe it. now,— which a protester says, i don't believe it. now, in— which a protester says, i don't believe it. now, in the end, the weeeefee— believe it. now, in the end, the motorist loses— believe it. now, in the end, the motorist loses his— believe it. now, in the end, the motorist loses his patience with whee-e— motorist loses his patience with we going— motorist loses his patience with we going ew— motorist loses his patience with what's going on, mounts the ewwew.— what's going on, mounts the pavement, drives off and there were pedestrians— pavement, drives off and there were pedestrians on that eewewewe. — were pedestrians on that pavement. it's- were pedestrians on that pavement. it'sjust were pedestrians on that pavement. it's just not were pedestrians on that pavement. it'sjust not safe pavement. it's just not a safe efeweefew— pavement. it's just not a safe situation all— pavement. it's just not a safe situation all around. is it eeeffw— situation all around. is it eeeuw 7— situation all around. is it eeeuw e f— situation all around. is it really ? i do— situation all around. is it really ? i do find that quite really? i do find that quite fewefeere— really? i do find that quite frustrating. and do people eeeffw— frustrating. and do people eeer gee— frustrating. and do people eeer gee ee— frustrating. and do people really get to play god in that efeeeefew— really get to play god in that situation? well,— really get to play god in that situation? well, i— really get to play god in that situation? well, i don't believe you— situation? well, i don't believe you eee— situation? well, i don't believe you gee eeeeee-e— situation? well, i don't believe you got doctor's appointment. i wew ee— you got doctor's appointment. i mean, how do you— you got doctor's appointment. i mean, how do you prove that eew— mean, how do you prove that eeeuw ee— mean, how do you prove that really to someone who's just on the really to someone who's just on we eeeeee— really to someone who's just on the street and— really to someone who's just on the street and what right do ewew— the street and what right do ewew feewee— the street and what right do they have? but— the street and what right do they have? but today's flashpoint_ they have? but today's flashpoint came 24 after flashpoint came 24 hours after wee— flashpoint came 24 hours after wee-ow— flashpoint came 24 hours after three-oil activists. three just stop. oil activists were arrested after throwing eeewee— were arrested after throwing eeeweg eew— were arrested after throwing orange paint over a display at the orange paint over a display at ewe-feewee— orange paint over a display at the-flower show. - orange paint over a display at the flower show. and the chelsea flower show. and someone decided _ the chelsea flower show. and someone decided to then hose ewew — someone decided to then hose ewew eeww— someone decided to then hose them down l little _ someone decided to then hose them down little bit as well, them down a little bit as well, erfefe—weew- them down a little bit as well, which—mean, thei which sometimes i mean, the

wee— which sometimes i mean, the jokes-themselves- which sometimes i mean, the jokes themselves , don't jokes write themselves, don't ewew— jokes write themselves, don't ewew-women— jokes write themselves, don't they? woman grabbed a hose they? one woman grabbed a hose and they? one woman grabbed a hose ewe—eeeeeeeeee- they? one woman grabbed a hose and—protesters with. and doused the protesters with weeee— and doused the protesters with weeee erfefe— and doused the protesters with water, which you— and doused the protesters with water, which you can see on your screens now. and— water, which you can see on your screens now. and other visitors eew— screens now. and other visitors we we— screens now. and other visitors said that they'd— screens now. and other visitors said that they'd join in. so wee—ee- said that they'd join in. so there—to be. said that they'd join in. so. there—to be fair, it there you go. but to be fair, it ewe— there you go. but to be fair, it ewwe e— there you go. but to be fair, it was quite a nice— there you go. but to be fair, it was quite a nice day. so it fewe— was quite a nice day. so it feewe fewe— was quite a nice day. so it looks like it— was quite a nice day. so it looks like it might be quite eeeeeewe. — looks like it might be quite pleasant. but— looks like it might be quite pleasant. but there are. pleasant. but there we are. fweee— pleasant. but there we are. fweee-eewe- pleasant. but there we are. those came after pleasant. but there we are. those -came after it those incidents came after it eweeeee—fweel those incidents came after it. emerged _just stop those incidents came after it emerotesters. just stop those incidents came after it emerotesters. and just stop those incidents came after it emerotesters. and this ust stop oil protesters. and this i ewwe.— oil protesters. and this i ewew fe— oil protesters. and this i think, is really- oil protesters. and this i think, is really the context we— think, is really the context we we— think, is really the context that we all— think, is really the context that we all need here. so the eeeeeeee— that we all need here. so the eeeeeeee eeee— that we all need here. so the protests cost the _ that we all need here. so the protests cost the taxpayer £35 wffffew — protests cost the taxpayer £3.5 wffffew fw— protests cost the taxpayer £3.5 million in just— protests cost the taxpayer £3.5 million in just over a month . million in just over a month. eewengweee— million in just over a month. campaigners have been staging eeeeeeee— campaigners have been staging eeeeeeee ewew— campaigners have been staging protests every single day since april-— protests every single day since april- ewe— protests every single day since april. the 24th,— protests every single day since april. the 24th, pretty much. we— april. the 24th, pretty much. we we— april. the 24th, pretty much. we we wee— april. the 24th, pretty much. and the met police announced on weeweeeew— and the met police announced on weeweeeew wee— and the met police announced on wednesday that their bill for we— wednesday that their bill for we e— wednesday that their bill for we e weww— wednesday that their bill for just a month was £3.5 million. wee— just a month was £3.5 million. wee fe— just a month was £3.5 million. wee fe ew— just a month was £3.5 million. wee fe ew eee— just a month was £3.5 million. that is on top of— just a month was £3.5 million. that is on top of the £75 wffffew— that is on top of the £75 wffffew fe— that is on top of the £75 million it cost— that is on top of the £75 million it cost the police eeeweew— million it cost the police between october and december feee— between october and december feee wee— between october and december feee weee .— between october and december feee weee . ewe— between october and december last year . this is— between october and december last year . this is taxpayers last year. this is taxpayers money— last year. this is taxpayers money yew— last year. this is taxpayers money, your money, my money, fweewewe-e— money, your money, my money, fweewewe-e wewew— money, your money, my money, everyone's money. and matt eeweefee— everyone's money. and matt eeweefee ee— everyone's money. and matt revealed as well— everyone's money. and matt revealed as well that 11,000 eeree— revealed as well that 11,000 officer shifts— revealed as well that 11,000 officer shifts have been spent eeeffwe— officer shifts have been spent eeeffwe erfe— officer shifts have been spent dealing with just stop oil. so eeeew— dealing with just stop oil. so egeew fee— dealing with just stop oil. so again, it's also— dealing with just stop oil. so again, it's also the police and few-e— again, it's also the police and ours, isn't it?— again, it's also the police and ours, isn't it? in— again, it's also the police and ours, isn't it? in the time eewew—

ours, isn't it? in the time eewew ew— ours, isn't it? in the time taken off and— ours, isn't it? in the time taken off and it makes prince few-e— taken off and it makes prince weew-e eeeweee— taken off and it makes prince harry's request to have an armed ewew— harry's request to have an armed ewew eee— harry's request to have an armed guard look minuscule, doesn't it? guard look minuscule, doesn't fee ewe— guard look minuscule, doesn't we we ee— guard look minuscule, doesn't it? but of course,— guard look minuscule, doesn't it? but of course, just stop. on— it? but of course, just stop. on few-e— it? but of course, just stop. oil isn't the— it? but of course, just stop. oil isn't the only group of people_ oil isn't the only group of people wee— oil isn't the only group of people who seem hell bent on weeere— people who seem hell bent on weeere-weee— people who seem hell bent on messing-with our- people who seem hell bent on messing with our lives. messing around with our lives. awwee— messing around with our lives. animal-activists- messing around with our lives. animal activists have animal rising activists have eeeeeeee—ewel animal rising activists have. targeted—and they targeted horse racing and they efeeweeee— disrupted the grand national feee— disrupted the grand national last—merseysidel disrupted the grand national last made merseyside disrupted the grand national last made 118 merseyside disrupted the grand national last made 118 arrests side disrupted the grand national last made 118 arrests after police made 118 arrests after we— police made 118 arrests after we eeew— police made 118 arrests after we eeew ee— police made 118 arrests after the start of the— police made 118 arrests after the start of the race was eeeewee— the start of the race was eeeewee .— the start of the race was delayed . animal rising now wants delayed. animal rising now wants to delayed. animal rising now wants ee eeee— delayed. animal rising now wants to cause trouble— delayed. animal rising now wants to cause trouble next week, eeeeeewew— to cause trouble next week, apparently when the derby is on and apparently when the derby is on end we— apparently when the derby is on end we owe— apparently when the derby is on and the oaks take— apparently when the derby is on and the oaks take place at feeew. — and the oaks take place at feeew. se— and the oaks take place at epsom. so the— and the oaks take place at epsom. so the jockey club, which eeeeeeee— epsom. so the jockey club, which eeeeeeee we — epsom. so the jockey club, which operates the racecourse , has operates the racecourse, has eeeffee— operates the racecourse, has eeewee eee— operates the racecourse, has eeewee eee ew— operates the racecourse, has applied for an injunction to try to applied for an injunction to try ee eee— applied for an injunction to try ee eeee ewew.— applied for an injunction to try to stop them. now, we were eeeeeewe — to stop them. now, we were eeeeeewg we— to stop them. now, we were expecting the result of this fwiwweeeew — expecting the result of this injunction probably half injunction probably about half an injunction probably about half ew—wee.— injunction probably about half ew—wee. ee- injunction probably about half ew—wee. ee farl injunction probably about half an _yet, as far as| an hour ago. as yet, as far as we're aware, we have not got the ewe— we're aware, we have not got the ewe vete— we're aware, we have not got the ewe vet ee— we're aware, we have not got the ewe vet ee fe— we're aware, we have not got the result yet, so it might up at any— result yet, so it might up at eew wewewe— result yet, so it might up at any moment. that will be perfect ewwe.— any moment. that will be perfect ewwe—ewe- any moment. that will be perfect ewwe—ewe f-w- timing, wouldn't it? but i'm joined— timing, wouldn't it? but i'm feweelwe— timing, wouldn't it? but i'm joined the studio now by joined in the studio now by weeeew— joined in the studio now by nathan mcgovern, a nathan mcgovern, who is a eeeeeeeeeeew— spokesperson for animal rising. few— spokesperson for animal rising. talk_injunction.| talk us through this injunction. whee— talk us through this injunction. whee-eew— talk us through this injunction. whee-eew wee- talk us through this injunction. what ban you from what would it ban you from doing?— what would it ban you from ewwew-fewe- what would it ban you from doing?-first of- what would it ban you from doing?-first of all,| doing? oh, so first of all, pleasure to be here. patrick and yeah, i think injunction injunctions are a very little known, very dangerous part known, but very dangerous part of in country. of legislation in this country. what is what they are essentially is it's someone with a it's a way for someone with a

lot of money in their pocket to bypass the judicial system and they out essentially they can take out essentially what a private law, which they can take out essentially what if private law, which they can take out essentially what if youate law, which they can take out essentially what if you went iw, which they can take out essentially what if you went andlhich they can take out essentially what if you went and broke it, means if you went and broke it, you even receive you wouldn't even receive a trial a jury. you wouldn't be trial by a jury. you wouldn't be put a magistrate. you put in a magistrate. you could go prison and i just go straight to prison and i just think is fundamentally think that is fundamentally incompatible with democracy. there's couple different there's a couple of different twes— types of injunctions, though, eeweweew— types of injunctions, though, obviously,_soi obviously, aren't there? so wee— obviously, aren't there? so weee—weel obviously, aren't there? so wee—wee fi obviously, aren't there? so. there—that i am there are the things that i am eee-eew— there are the things that i am 99.9% ee— there are the things that i am 99.9% of we— there are the things that i am 99.9% of the time, absolutely eeee— 99.9% of the time, absolutely eeee ewwew— 99.9% of the time, absolutely dead against, which is, like wee-we— dead against, which is, like wee-we-weee— dead against, which is, like you've-there ,- dead against, which is, like you've there , celebrities you've said, there, celebrities ewwew— you've said, there, celebrities normally something rather normally doing something rather ewewwweee— normally doing something rather unfortunate in— normally doing something rather unfortunate in their personal wee— unfortunate in their personal ffwee ewe— unfortunate in their personal lives and deciding would be lives and deciding it would be eeeffw— lives and deciding it would be eew-fe— lives and deciding it would be really-if-public- really great if the public ewe-e— really great if the public didn't-that- really great if the public didn't-that on the didn't see that splashed on the few— didn't see that splashed on the front - newspapers. - didn't see that splashed on the front newspapers. and front of the newspapers. and ewew— front of the newspapers. and ewew-wowe- front of the newspapers. and they- money to they use their money in order to eee— they use their money in order to eee-eew — they use their money in order to eee-eew eeeewe- they use their money in order to stop from getting out stop that from getting out wee.— stop that from getting out weee. f— stop that from getting out there. i don't— stop that from getting out there. i don't think that's ewwe.— there. i don't think that's ewwe. eew.— there. i don't think that's right, really. i— there. i don't think that's right, really. i mean, it eeeew-e— right, really. i mean, it doesn't-to- right, really. i mean, it doesn't to most right, really. i mean, it- doesn't-to most people, doesn't happen to most people, eeee— doesn't happen to most people, eeee fw— doesn't happen to most people, eeee fee ee— doesn't happen to most people, does it? so why— doesn't happen to most people, does it? so why should they be ewe—ewe- able to pay that this injunction,- able to pay that this injunction, as i injunction, as far as i understand- injunction, as far as i understand it, would be to stop you— understand it, would be to stop you guys— understand it, would be to stop you guys going— understand it, would be to stop you guys going within area you guys going within the area oflracecourse_ you guys going within the area oflracecourse and— you guys going within the area of racecourse and potentially of a racecourse and potentially eewere— of a racecourse and potentially causing disruption. causing some disruption. so wee-e— that's the kind of injunction we-eeeee—fel that's the kind of injunction. we're—here, isn't we're talking about here, isn't it? we're talking about here, isn't fee eeew— we're talking about here, isn't fee eeefe. fe— we're talking about here, isn't it? yeah, it is. _ we're talking about here, isn't it? yeah, it is. but,- we're talking about here, isn't it? yeah, it is. but, you know, let's even talk about that. you know, example, know, let's say, for example, you know, after this you know, right after this interview, run off to interview, you know, run off to epsom run onto the track,

epsom and i run onto the track, you know, potentially committing trespass. you know what would happen be happen is i'd potentially be arrested and then i'd be charged and put front a judge or and put in front of a judge or maybe even a jury. this maybe even a jury. what this would is, you know, could would mean is, you know, i could do the exact same thing, do and do the exact same thing, but if there is an injunction, i would not even be put before a jury. i would not get my right to a fair trial, which i'm sure you agree is a cornerstone you can agree is a cornerstone of democracy. no, i do understand— of democracy. no, i do understand that. - :ff no, i do understand that. the flip side to understand that. the flip side ee—fe- understand that. the flip side ee—fe why- to this very clearly is why ewwe— to this very clearly is why should repeatedly and should you do repeatedly and we— should you do repeatedly and ewe-we— should you do repeatedly and this-the aspect— should you do repeatedly and this the aspect it, it's this is the aspect of it, it's we— this is the aspect of it, it's eee-weewee- this is the aspect of it, it's the-nature of- this is the aspect of it, it's the-nature of it,| this is the aspect of it, it's. the-nature of it, why the repeated nature of it, why ewwe— the repeated nature of it, why should repeatedly allowed should you repeatedly be allowed to should you repeatedly be allowed ee-few— should you repeatedly be allowed ee-few fw— should you repeatedly be allowed ee-few fe wee- should you repeatedly be allowed to law in that sense to break the law in that sense wee— to break the law in that sense with trespassing— to break the law in that sense with trespassing would be. and wee-e— that's before we've spoken ewwe.— that's before we've spoken. about,_disrupting that's before we've spoken- about,_disrupting the about, i suppose, disrupting the eeeeewee— about, i suppose, disrupting the eeeeewef—eeeeeel about, i suppose, disrupting the. personal—people who personal enjoyment of people who just personal enjoyment of people who wee—se- just enjoy the horse racing. so weew— just enjoy the horse racing. so yeahe whee— just enjoy the horse racing. so yeah, what this— just enjoy the horse racing. so yeah, what this is— just enjoy the horse racing. so yeah, what this is about, you ewew.— yeah, what this is about, you ewew-fee— yeah, what this is about, you know,.its heart— yeah, what this is about, you know,.its heart is- yeah, what this is about, you know, its heart is the fact know, at its heart is the fact wee— know, at its heart is the fact we ee— know, at its heart is the fact we ee fewe— know, at its heart is the fact that as long as— know, at its heart is the fact that as long as animals are being— that as long as animals are being weed— that as long as animals are being used and— that as long as animals are being used and exploited and we feewe— being used and exploited and we ewe-beekee— being used and exploited and we have broken relationship have this broken relationship wee— have this broken relationship wee-ewe— have this broken relationship with and natural have this broken relationship- with - and - natural world, with them and the natural world, wee— with them and the natural world, wee-ee— with them and the natural world, wee-fe ee— with them and the natural world, there-to be people- there are going to be people who are there are going to be people who eee-ee— there are going to be people who eee-ee-weee- there are going to be people who are -to .their bodies. are willing to put their bodies on are willing to put their bodies ew-ee— are willing to put their bodies ew-ee eeewewe- are willing to put their bodies on to prevent that harm on the line to prevent that harm . okav-_ on the line to prevent that harm . okav- fee— on the line to prevent that harm . okay- fee wee— on the line to prevent that harm . okay. do you think that some of . okay. do you think that some ef-people_ . okay. do you think that some of-people wewee- . okay. do you think that some of people maybe who are of the people maybe who are fewewee— of the people maybe who are fewewee fw— of the people maybe who are involved in animal rising are

eweweewee— involved in animal rising are themselves being a little bit eeeeeeeeee— themselves being a little bit exploited? do— themselves being a little bit exploited? do you honestly think that exploited? do you honestly think efeee ewew— exploited? do you honestly think that every single— exploited? do you honestly think that every single one of them reconigses— that every single one of them recognises-term- recognises the long term repercussions— recognises the long term repercussions getting repercussions of getting a eerfwef— repercussions of getting a criminal record, having their eeee— criminal record, having their eeee ewe— criminal record, having their eeee eee ewe— criminal record, having their face put out there the time face put out there all the time eeewee— face put out there all the time because-make- face put out there all the time. because-make different because people do make different decisions— because people do make different decisions-the— because people do make different decisions the course of decisions over the course of their— decisions over the course of their-right.— decisions over the course of their. right. and- decisions over the course of their right. and one day their life, right. and one day someone say, well, i want someone might say, well, i want to go— someone might say, well, i want to go out— someone might say, well, i want to go out and— someone might say, well, i want to go out and get— someone might say, well, i want to go out and get a— someone might say, well, i want to go out and get a job and or want— to go out and get a job and or want to— to go out and get a job and or want to go— to go out and get a job and or want to go to— to go out and get a job and or want to go to america or australia— want to go to america or australia or— want to go to america or australia or wherever. and i can-t— australia or wherever. and i am do— australia or wherever. and i can't do that— australia or wherever. and i can't do that because when i was 18 years— can't do that because when i was 18 years om,— can't do that because when i was 18 years om, .— can't do that because when i was 18 years old, i glued myself to a post.— 18 years old, i glued myself to a post. so— 18 years old, i glued myself to a race post. so i— 18 years old, i glued myself to a race post. so i think what yu-r— a race post. so i think what you-re rrrsrrg— a race post. so i think what you're raising there is a merry,— you're raising there is a really, really- you're raising there is a really, really important quesrror— really, really important question about who we are , who question about who we are, who our values are, you _ question about who we are, who our values are, you know, are we a rarer— our values are, you know, are we a narrorr or— our values are, you know, are we a nation of animal— our values are, you know, are we a nation of animal lovers? jrzzr a nation of animal lovers? do we vrrue— a nation of animal lovers? do we yrrue food— a nation of animal lovers? do we value food security?— a nation of animal lovers? do we value food security? for example? do we love our families? protect them? families? would we protect them? would defenceless would we protect defenceless animals and i think those are values that don't really go away. okay. all right. so, look, again, away. okay. all right. so, look, .g...,_h.ppe.- away. okay. all right. so, look, .g...,_h.ppe. inl away. okay. all right. so, look,i again,_happen in in again, what would happen in in your— again, what would happen in in your moor— again, what would happen in in your ideal world— again, what would happen in in your ideal world that would prooumoory— your ideal world that would presumably be— your ideal world that would presumably be horse racing, presumably be no horse racing, rumou— presumably be no horse racing, rumor—rheu- presumably be no horse racing, which there would presumably be no horse racing,. which—there would be which means that there would be roos— which means that there would be rooo-. — which means that there would be rooo-. aru— which means that there would be rooo-. and so— which means that there would be less-. and so would- which means that there would be less . r: : which means that there would be. less-. and so would you be less horses. and so would you be willing for animals to not live kyiv in order for them to for you guys to feel better about

yourselves? this is not a numbers question, patrick. it's a moral question. i did ask a numbers question to be fair, it's about the rights of animals to be living free from our use and lisa hartle an absolute you. if we look at our farming symm— if we look at our farming oyorom, you— if we look at our farming system, you know, globally about 80 system, you know, globally about oo umon— system, you know, globally about 80 billion land— system, you know, globally about 80 billion land animals each 80 billion land animals die each year— 80 billion land animals die each you-abou— 80 billion land animals die each year-aboutlbillion- 80 billion land animals die each ye those about billion 80 billion land animals die each ye those in about billion 80 billion land animals die each ye those in the .bout billion 80 billion land animals die each ye those in the ukil billion 80 billion land animals die each ye those in the uk . billion 80 billion land animals die each ye those in the uk . andlion 80 billion land animals die each yethose in the uk . and ion 80 billion land animals die each ye those in the uk . and i think of those in the uk. and i think it of those in the uk. and i think rr wouru— of those in the uk. and i think rr wouru oo— of those in the uk. and i think it would be wonderful if we had unu— it would be wonderful if we had our horses.— it would be wonderful if we had wild horses. we— it would be wonderful if we had wild horses. we had the environments- wild horses. we had the environments for wild horses, re..— environments for wild horses, fo. you— environments for wild horses, for you know,— environments for wild horses, for, you know, other sorts of our — for, you know, other sorts of wild animals— for, you know, other sorts of wild animals rather you wild animals rather than, you know,— wild animals rather than, you know,.absolutely- wild animals rather than, you know, absolutely horrific know, the absolutely horrific scenes.see in— know, the absolutely horrific scenes see in farms is the scenes we see in farms is the sod— scenes we see in farms is the sad for— scenes we see in farms is the sad or ooour— scenes we see in farms is the sad fact about what you're soyrug— sad fact about what you're soyrug rrroro— sad fact about what you're saying there is— sad fact about what you're saying there is that in that kind— saying there is that in that kind or— saying there is that in that kind of animalistic utopia, it your— kind of animalistic utopia, it would actually— kind of animalistic utopia, it would actually completely uroruor— would actually completely ororuprrrro— would actually completely disrupt the ecosystems and lead to disrupt the ecosystems and lead ro moro— disrupt the ecosystems and lead to more animal— disrupt the ecosystems and lead to more animal deaths and oxrruorrou— to more animal deaths and extinction as— to more animal deaths and extinction as well. you talk ooour— extinction as well. you talk about disrupting the ecosystem. you about disrupting the ecosystem. vou know,— about disrupting the ecosystem. you know, u— about disrupting the ecosystem. you know, it might shock you to furo— you know, it might shock you to find our— you know, it might shock you to find our floor— you know, it might shock you to find out that about 16% of the uk find out that about 16% of the w ro— find out that about 16% of the w is used— find out that about 16% of the uk is used for— find out that about 16% of the uk is used for sheep farm and oury— uk is used for sheep farm and oury rz— uk is used for sheep farm and oury rz. so— uk is used for sheep farm and only 12. so don't— uk is used for sheep farm and only 12. so don't you guys nick or— only 12. so don't you guys nick of rho— only12. so don't you guys nick some of the king's— only 12. so don't you guys nick some of the king's sheep, the orrror— some of the king's sheep, the orrror rayo— some of the king's sheep, the other day? well,— some of the king's sheep, the other day? well, yeah, on wednesday— other day? well, yeah, on wednesday evening, three individuals— wednesday evening, three individuals the individuals rescued three of the king-o— individuals rescued three of the rug-o sheep.— individuals rescued three of the king's sheep. where are they now

7 nooy— king's sheep. where are they now 7 ruoy uro— king's sheep. where are they now 7 rroy soro— king's sheep. where are they now ? they are safe with— king's sheep. where are they now ? they are safe with people who in o— ? they are safe with people who in o flor— ? they are safe with people who in o fur ru— ? they are safe with people who in a flat in islington know they are absolutely— in a flat in islington know they are absolutely not. jrzzr in a flat in islington know they are absolutely not. th:r are absolutely not. do you imagine— are absolutely not. do you imagine that poor lamb who was in a field of a sudden it's in a field all of a sudden it's under of your it's under one of your arms. it's living in a bedsit or a disused warehouse. it's bold of you to r— warehouse. it's bold of you to assume i could— warehouse. it's bold of you to assume i could afford- ”rt; it's bold of you to assume i could afford property in assume i could afford property ru-rorrrok— assume i could afford property in-patrick you- assume i could afford property in patrick you know the in london. patrick you know the corre— in london. patrick you know the come-whore— in london. patrick you know the come .where .the - in london. patrick you know thei come .where .the kings? come on. where are the kings? lambs. is the answer. lambs. this is the answer. i want know. they are safe with want to know. they are safe with ooooro— want to know. they are safe with people uro— want to know. they are safe with people who know— want to know. they are safe with people who know how— they are safe with people who know how care for people who know how to care for room — people who know how to care for room onu— people who know how to care for room and ruoy— people who know how to care for them and they are— people who know how to care for them and they are going to live roug— them and they are going to live roug onu— them and they are going to live long and happy— them and they are going to live long and happy lives now. okay. if long and happy lives now. okay. rr you— long and happy lives now. okay. rr you if— long and happy lives now. okay. rr you if rhu— long and happy lives now. okay. if you if this injunction- long and happy lives now. okay. if you if this injunction is- if you if this injunction is granted you are not allowed granted and you are not allowed anywhere you anywhere near epsom, will you still go? so what will say is still go? so what i will say is whor— still go? so what i will say is whorlooru— still go? so what i will say is whatisaid before— still go? so what i will say is whatisaid before is- ct gt7 so what i will say is what said before is as ct grt7 so what i will say is what said before is as long ct gt:r7 so what i will say is what said before is as long as what i said before is as long as you— what i said before is as long as you-horses— what i said before is as long as you-horses uro- what i said before is as long as you horses are used in you know, horses are used in horse— you know, horses are used in horse racing— you know, horses are used in horse racing or— you know, horses are used in horse racing or animals are used in horse racing or animals are used rn-r..mr.g,_ horse racing or animals are used ru-rormrug: moro- horse racing or animals are used in farming, there are in animal farming, there are going— in animal farming, there are goinglbe_ in animal farming, there are gorugloo-uuo- in animal farming, there are going be who are going to be people who are wrung— going to be people who are wrung ro— going to be people who are willing to put— going to be people who are willing to put their on going to be people who are willline:o put their on going to be people who are willline to3ut their on going to be people who are willline to prevent on going to be people who are willline to prevent that. on going to be people who are willline to prevent that. and the line to prevent that. and you— the line to prevent that. and you ore— the line to prevent that. and you you— the line to prevent that. and you you are— the line to prevent that. and you are you are personally wrung— you are you are personally wrung-go— you are you are personally wrung-go ro- you are you are personally willing go to prison for willing to go to prison for ruro. — willing to go to prison for ruro. aro— willing to go to prison for this. are .you- willing to go to prison for this. ' ”rt; willing to go to prison for. this. are-you know, i'm this. are you you know, i'm willing to accept the consequences my actions, yes. consequences of my actions, yes. okay. fascinating stuff. thank you-mucu— okay. fascinating stuff. thank you-much for— okay. fascinating stuff. thank you much for your time, as you very much for your time, as even you very much for your time, as ever. that is nathan mcgovern you very much for your time, as ever. twhois nathan mcgovern you very much for your time, as ever. twho is nathan mcgovern you very much for your time, as ever. twho isnespokesperson n you very much for your time, as ever. twho isnespokesperson for there, who is a spokesperson for animal more animal rising like loads more still come between now and

still to come between now and 4 pm, as it's reported that police investigating the disappearance police investigating the disapperhavez relevant mccann have found a relevant clue. to a man who clue. i will speak to a man who has investigated the case. and as hunt says, that he's as jeremy hunt says, that he's comfortable rising interest comfortable with rising interest rates hurt millions of rates that will hurt millions of households. same guy, by the way, comfortable households. same guy, by the way,throwing comfortable households. same guy, by the way,throwing (bordersble just throwing our borders open, left, and centre. what left, right and centre. what would be the pros cons would be the pros and cons of the going recession? oh the uk going into recession? oh as well, those europhiles might want at want to have a quick look at germany, but first, it's time for your latest news headlines with rory . george patrick, the with rory. george patrick, the latest from the newsroom. a man has been jailed for— latest from the newsroom. a man has been jailed for life— latest from the newsroom. a man has been jailed for life with- has been jailed for life with a mumum— has been jailed for life with a minimum term— has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder— minimum term of 32 years for the murder or— minimum term of 32 years for the murder or rs— minimum term of 32 years for the murder of 15 month— minimum term of 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob romom— murder of 15 month old jacob romom rom— murder of 15 month old jacob lennon. jake drummond, the rumor— lennon. jake drummond, the rumor of— lennon. jake drummond, the rumor or me— lennon. jake drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother, jailed— partner of the toddler's mother, was jailed following a campaign of was jailed following a campaign or oruor— was jailed following a campaign or oruor omo— was jailed following a campaign of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy— of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy surmou— of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy suffered multiple injuries mmo— boy suffered multiple injuries over three weeks . in 2019, the over three weeks. in 2019, the worms— over three weeks. in 2019, the victim's mother,— over three weeks. in 2019, the victim's mother, louise lennon, jailed— victim's mother, louise lennon, your for— victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten— victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten years rorroume— was jailed for ten years following jacob's death . the following jacob's death. the parents— following jacob's death. the poromo or— following jacob's death. the poromro or u— following jacob's death. the parents of a ten— following jacob's death. the parents of a ten month old boy

who— parents of a ten month old boy who murdered— parents of a ten month old boy who murdered him on christmas day m— who murdered him on christmas day m 2on— who murdered him on christmas day in 2020 have— who murdered him on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for me. — day in 2020 have been jailed for um um— day in 2020 have been jailed for life. his mother,— day in 2020 have been jailed for life. his mother, shannon roomm— life. his mother, shannon morrison, was— life. his mother, shannon morrison, was given a minimum of 27 years— morrison, was given a minimum of or yours umrsr— morrison, was given a minimum of 27 years whilst his— morrison, was given a minimum of 27 years whilst his father, sroomom— 27 years whilst his father, stephen boden, was given a mumum— stephen boden, was given a or— stephen boden, was given a minimum of 29— stephen boden, was given a minimum of 29 years. the baby ramm— minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into— minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care— minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care shortly amor— was taken into care shortly orror ms— was taken into care shortly after his birth— was taken into care shortly after his birth due to child proroorrom— after his birth due to child protection concerns , but he was protection concerns, but he was put— protection concerns, but he was our book— protection concerns, but he was our book rmo— protection concerns, but he was put back into his— protection concerns, but he was put back into his parents care. 39 put back into his parents care. so uoys— put back into his parents care. 39 days before— put back into his parents care. 39 days before he— put back into his parents care. 39 days before he died . and pope 39 days before he died. and pope rumors— 39 days before he died. and pope rromors mos— 39 days before he died. and pope francis has skipped— 39 days before he died. and pope francis has skipped meetings rouoy— francis has skipped meetings today because— francis has skipped meetings today because of a fever. the vorroom— today because of a fever. the vatican hasn't— today because of a fever. the vatican hasn't provided any rumor— vatican hasn't provided any further details— vatican hasn't provided any further details on the 86 year our-s— further details on the 86 year oru-s roomm— further details on the 86 year old's health, but— further details on the 86 year old's health, but has said he drum-r— old's health, but has said he didn't receive— old's health, but has said he didn't receive anyone in ouuromoo— didn't receive anyone in audience this- didn't receive anyone in audience this morning. well, it amor— audience this morning. well, it comes after he— audience this morning. well, it comes after he spent five days in comes after he spent five days m mosorror— comes after he spent five days m mosprror or— comes after he spent five days in hospital at the— comes after he spent five days in hospital at the end of march. mor— in hospital at the end of march. mm was— in hospital at the end of march. rmor for— in hospital at the end of march. that was for bronchitis. but he ourokry— that was for bronchitis. but he quickly recovered _ that was for bronchitis. but he quickly recovered following a course of antibiotics . actor course of antibiotics. actor hugh— course of antibiotics. actor uugm mom-s— course of antibiotics. actor hugh grant's damages claim ogomsr— hugh grant's damages claim ogomsr mo— hugh grant's damages claim against the sun— hugh grant's damages claim against the sun will go to trial rorroume— against the sun will go to trial rououme o— against the sun will go to trial following a ruling by a high cour— following a ruling by a high courr mugs— following a ruling by a high courr judge .— following a ruling by a high court judge . he's accused the court judge. he's accused the ouousmor— court judge. he's accused the puorrsmor or— court judge. he's accused the publisher of henri paul full

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sitting. at 7622 points. direct burnou— sitting. at 7622 points. direct bullion sponsors— sitting. at 7622 points. direct bullion sponsors the finance rooorr— bullion sponsors the finance rooorr om— bullion sponsors the finance rooorr or or— bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and smor— report on gb news for gold and silver investment— report on gb news for gold and silver investment .— report on gb news for gold and silver investment . t t silver investment. welcome back. now— silver investment. welcome back. now ro— silver investment. welcome back. now ro os— silver investment. welcome back. now to news that— silver investment. welcome back. now to news that police _ now to news that police investigating— now to news that police investigating the disappearance of rrouoromo— investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann have rooorroury— of madeleine mccann have reportedly found a relevant clue ourme— reportedly found a relevant clue ourme o— reportedly found a relevant clue ourmg o umoo— reportedly found a relevant clue during a three day search opororrom— during a three day search opororrom oy— during a three day search operation by police in portugal mooo— operation by police in portugal mooo som— operation by police in portugal have sent materials to germany for rosrme— have sent materials to germany for testing and— have sent materials to germany for testing and officers sooromou— for testing and officers searched an- for testing and officers searched an area near a rosomorr— searched an area near a rosomorr m— searched an area near a reservoir in the algarve . the reservoir in the algarve. the rumors— reservoir in the algarve. the number one suspect is christian oruoomor:— number one suspect is christian oruoomor: omo— number one suspect is christian brueckner, and he's denied any myorvomom— brueckner, and he's denied any involvement in— brueckner, and he's denied any involvement in maddie's orsoppoor— involvement in maddie's orsoppoor .— involvement in maddie's disappear . prince involvement in maddie's disappear. prince dai davies myosrrgorou— disappear. prince dai davies investigated this case back in uro— investigated this case back in two thousand— investigated this case back in two thousand and seven. i'm very proosou— two thousand and seven. i'm very proosou ro— two thousand and seven. i'm very proosou ro soy.— two thousand and seven. i'm very pleased to say. he— two thousand and seven. i'm very pleased to say. he joins me now. dai pleased to say. he joins me now. uor mom— pleased to say. he joins me now. uor mom you. — pleased to say. he joins me now. dai thank you. yes.— pleased to say. he joins me now. dai thank you. yes. well, on the raco— dai thank you. yes. well, on the rooo or— dai thank you. yes. well, on the rooo or u:— dai thank you. yes. well, on the rooo or r, r— dai thank you. yes. well, on the face of it, i suppose it depends umor— face of it, i suppose it depends umor way— face of it, i suppose it depends umor way you— face of it, i suppose it depends which way you look at it, ooosm-r— which way you look at it, ooosm-r ru— which way you look at it, doesn't it, really? but relatively— doesn't it, really? but relatively encouraging news in the relatively encouraging news in mo somso— relatively encouraging news in the sense that— relatively encouraging news in the sense that police may have found— the sense that police may have found o— the sense that police may have found a relevant— the sense that police may have found a relevant clue. what do you— found a relevant clue. what do you moro— found a relevant clue. what do you mokolrms— found a relevant clue. what do you make .this ?_ found a relevant clue. what do you make this ? well i'm you make of this? well i'm uorrgmou— you make of this? well i'm oorrgmou m— you make of this? well i'm delighted if they indeed they myo— delighted if they indeed they mooo round— delighted if they indeed they have found something. : have found something. i've read a umor— have found something. i've read a rumour or— have found something. i've read a number of reports. it's they

were looking for a gun. they were looking for a gun. they were looking for photographs in addition to possibly any dna that may have been found from any of the material there or other aspects , including body other aspects, including body parts and all the rest of it. i think we will get out early next week. some indication of what they've actually found, which obviously the world and the world's press are interested in this. it's an amazing story. and how 16 years on, it's galvani sized. so many interested parties to comment on it. i just hope they can prove, as i've said on your program and others, that if this man is the one responsible, they can provide the evidence sufficient to persuade a court that he is guilty. of course, at the moment he is not guilty of this crime, but he certainly has been guilty as i understand it, of at least 17 other crimes . and he 17 other crimes. and he suspected of more so by any definition. he fits the bill and the profile . again, as i've said

the profile. again, as i've said many times , yeah, he absolutely many times, yeah, he absolutely fits the profile . di, i want to fits the profile. di, i want to tap fits the profile. di, i want to no no— fits the profile. di, i want to no no your— �*" di, i want to tap into your knowledge of the way— tap into your knowledge of the way mor— tap into your knowledge of the way me me — tap into your knowledge of the way that the police forces work in way that the police forces work m rerms— way that the police forces work m rerms or— way that the police forces work in terms of releasing information- in terms of releasing information because we are nearing— information because we are ueorme nee— information because we are dealing here with a case that nos— dealing here with a case that nos nou— dealing here with a case that nos me so— dealing here with a case that has had so much— dealing here with a case that has had so much misinformation mour— has had so much misinformation onour n— has had so much misinformation onour n: so— has had so much misinformation about it, so much— has had so much misinformation about it, so much reporting , about it, so much reporting, speourorron— about it, so much reporting, speculation, so— about it, so much reporting, speculation, so i— about it, so much reporting, speculation, so i was initially rune— speculation, so i was initially quite surprised— speculation, so i was initially quite surprised when given this widespread— quite surprised when given this widespread search, it was known to widespread search, it was known ro me— widespread search, it was known o no ounuo. — widespread search, it was known to the public. now— widespread search, it was known to the public. now that they rney— to the public. now that they rney benevo— to the public. now that they they believe they have found and somernme— they believe they have found and something according to these reoons— something according to these reoons .— something according to these reporrs . norr— something according to these reports . now, that appears to be reports. now, that appears to be an reports. now, that appears to be on one— reports. now, that appears to be on one mne— reports. now, that appears to be on one rnme ro— reports. now, that appears to be an odd thing to say, unless you are an odd thing to say, unless you merry— an odd thing to say, unless you merry sure— an odd thing to say, unless you are pretty sure you've got somernme— are pretty sure you've got something decent . well again, i something decent. well again, i mnn— something decent. well again, i rnmk rney— something decent. well again, i rnmk rney nou— something decent. well again, i think they had what they thought from— think they had what they thought from uro— think they had what they thought from two separate— think they had what they thought from two separate informants nook— from two separate informants nook m— from two separate informants back in germany— from two separate informants back in germany who again allege he back in germany who again allege no broke— back in germany who again allege no more inro— back in germany who again allege he broke into this— back in germany who again allege he broke into this man's house one— he broke into this man's house one ooruorry— he broke into this man's house and actually stole— he broke into this man's house and actually stole items. \rer�*rjr" and actually stole items. now, again— and actually stole items. now, again .— and actually stole items. now, again . mer— and actually stole items. now, again , that that's— and actually stole items. now, again , that that's pure again, that that's pure speculation . what i do know, speculation. what i do know, having worked in germany and

worked with the german police on occasion in a missing persons case, they are very, very conservative, as are their legal equivalent of the cps . they equivalent of the cps. they don't normally release anything unless there's a degree of certainty. again, i can't comment on the certainty in this case, but they are very conservative. normally but as you say, you know, i've been following this for 16 years. it it's amazing how many you know, scotland yard has 64 persons of interest . we still don't know interest. we still don't know what happened to all of them. 10 million plus has been spent by the yard. i don't know how much by leicestershire police when they took over . it's cost they took over. it's cost millions and still we're not that much further forward from a uk point of view. and it seems the germans are going ahead in leaps and bounds if you take it over what we didn't do in 16 years. yeah. and what people will be able to see on their screens. now, if you're watching

us on ry— screens. now, if you're watching us on w: you-e— erjijiiljiil�*tfr now, if you're watching us on tv, you're watching us onune. — us on tv, you're watching us onune. n— us on tv, you're watching us online. if you're— us on tv, you're watching us online. if you're listening on moro— online. if you're listening on radio ,— online. if you're listening on radio : ru— online. if you're listening on radio, i'll talk— online. if you're listening on radio , i'll talk you through it, radio, i'll talk you through it, umon— radio, i'll talk you through it, unron rs— radio, i'll talk you through it, which is essential, really, at reosr— which is essential, really, at reosr rnree— which is essential, really, at least three medium sized errouror— least three medium sized circular holes— least three medium sized circular holes being drilled inro— circular holes being drilled no me— circular holes being drilled into the dirt— circular holes being drilled into the dirt .— circular holes being drilled into the dirt . and they're into the dirt. and they're surrounded— into the dirt. and they're surrounded by- into the dirt. and they're surrounded by the shrubbery, umon— surrounded by the shrubbery, unron nos— surrounded by the shrubbery, which has been— surrounded by the shrubbery, which has been cut away. now, di , which has been cut away. now, di : ooun— which has been cut away. now, di : againr unn— which has been cut away. now, di , againr run your— which has been cut away. now, di , again, with your kind of police— , again, with your kind of police expertise, really given the police expertise, really given rne sneer— police expertise, really given the sheer scale— police expertise, really given the sheer scale of that area, born— the sheer scale of that area, norn m— the sheer scale of that area, both in terms— the sheer scale of that area, both in terms of— the sheer scale of that area, both in terms of water and the rome— both in terms of water and the land surrounding— both in terms of water and the land surrounding it, it did appear— land surrounding it, it did appear ro— land surrounding it, it did appear o no— land surrounding it, it did appear to be quite a targeted searn— appear to be quite a targeted searn ana— appear to be quite a targeted search. and if— appear to be quite a targeted search. and if you look at the bus— search. and if you look at the bus mar— search. and if you look at the bits that they've— search. and if you look at the bits that they've excavated mere:— bits that they've excavated rnere: again— bits that they've excavated rnere, again ,— bits that they've excavated there, again , that appears to be there, again, that appears to be very:— there, again, that appears to be very, very— there, again, that appears to be very, very rareerea— there, again, that appears to be very, very targeted . what are very, very targeted. what are you— very, very targeted. what are you rnmnne— very, very targeted. what are you thinking when you look at the you thinking when you look at me same— you thinking when you look at the same images— you thinking when you look at the same images that we're all seeme— the same images that we're all seem e — the same images that we're all seem e merr— the same images that we're all seeing ? well, what- the same images that we're all seeing ? seeing? well, what comes to my mind is the fact that they have retrieved photographs that actually showed either this gentleman or others in connection to him in this particular area to either that or definite information that his campervan was parked at or near this location . and there may be this location. and there may be elements . and as somebody often

elements. and as somebody often asked me, well , where do you get asked me, well, where do you get the dna? after all this time? well, i often say, richard , the well, i often say, richard, the third, they found his dna under a car park, didn't they? all those hundreds of years. yeah. so if there's any segment there that can provide a clue , then that can provide a clue, then that's what they're doing. but i come back to i think they had definite information and that information, i think came from photographs either in a searches of his homes and or other offences that he's alleged to have come through. they definitely had some some aspect or inkling that this was the place to search. otherwise why would you it's such a large area, isn't it? yeah, exactly. ana— area, isn't it? yeah, exactly. one r-usr— area, isn't it? yeah, exactly. one no ro— area, isn't it? yeah, exactly. and just to keep— e 7 yeah, exactly. and just to keep people up to dare— and just to keep people up to rare as— and just to keep people up to date as well,— and just to keep people up to date as well, the— and just to keep people up to date as well, the noises that nearing— date as well, the noises that we're hearing is— date as well, the noises that we're hearing is that it's been sem— we're hearing is that it's been senr on:— we're hearing is that it's been sent off, whatever— we're hearing is that it's been sent off, whatever this item may be, sent off, whatever this item may no: or— sent off, whatever this item may no: or moms— sent off, whatever this item may be, or items for— sent off, whatever this item may be, or items for forensic anarysrs— be, or items for forensic analysis, and- be, or items for forensic analysis, and that could take momm.— analysis, and that could take monrns. nur— analysis, and that could take months. but we _ analysis, and that could take months. but we you think died. rusr— months. but we you think died. rusr anony— months. but we you think died. just quickly before i let you get— just quickly before i let you oer gong:— just quickly before i let you get goingr you— just quickly before i let you get going, you think that it's rune— get going, you think that it's rune-mar— get going, you think that it's quite -that early- get going, you think that it's quite that early next quite likely that early next week— quite likely that early next week we— quite likely that early next week we will— quite likely that early next week we will get a bit of a see— week we will get a bit of a see on— week we will get a bit of a steer on what— week we will get a bit of a steer on what those items were?

merr— steer on what those items were? merrluoura— steer on what those items were? well,iwould hope— steer on what those items were? well, would hope so. :�* well, i would hope so. common sensesa-y rr-s— well, i would hope so. common sense say it's been sent sense would say it's been sent to x, y and z laboratory from that you could possibly deduce what they're looking at in terms of either human remains and or forensic remains. and all the rest of it. but i say again, the germans do not go willy nilly into these things. hopefully any more than scotland yard do. but we've been here before. i just hope this one gives us a way forward for the sake of the poor parents, they must be going nuts over this. it's non—stop for every— over this. it's non—stop for every nmo— it's non—stop for every time something like this up— every time something like this up for— every time something like this comes up for them. isn't it? you mowe— comes up for them. isn't it? you more our— comes up for them. isn't it? you more our ur— comes up for them. isn't it? you know? but di, look,— comes up for them. isn't it? you know? but di, look, thank you very— know? but di, look, thank you very muon— know? but di, look, thank you very muon as— know? but di, look, thank you very much as ever. di davies, mvesrreare— very much as ever. di davies, investigate this— very much as ever. di davies, investigate this case. back in mo— investigate this case. back in two thousand— investigate this case. back in two thousand and seven. that was the two thousand and seven. that was no es— two thousand and seven. that was me mar— two thousand and seven. that was the news that police— two thousand and seven. that was the news that police believe, to according— the news that police believe, to according reports,— the news that police believe, to according reports, that they found— according reports, that they found a— according reports, that they found a relevant clue in the searn— found a relevant clue in the searn for— found a relevant clue in the search for madeleine mccann. ovay. —rnel search for madeleine mccann. i okay—me une: okay. so as always on the line, rer-s— okay. so as always on the line, rer-s mave— okay. so as always on the line, let's make sure— okay. so as always on the line, let's make sure we— okay. so as always on the line, let's make sure we bring his mark— let's make sure we bring his mark ooun— let's make sure we bring his mark down just— let's make sure we bring his mark down just in case he says anyrnme— mark down just in case he says anyrnmg ne— mark down just in case he says anything he regrets. there we go. anything he regrets. there we 90--m0vin9_ anything he regrets. there we go. moving chancellor go. now. moving on, chancellor reremy— go. now. moving on, chancellor roomy—ro- go. now. moving on, chancellor reremy—ro ne- go. now. moving on, chancellori jerem—to be happy go. now. moving on, chancellor. jerem—to be happy to jeremy hunt seems to be happy to risk—inro— risk the uk going into recession.— risk the uk going into recession. is- risk the uk going into recession. is that a dangerous policy— recession. is that a dangerous policy-could— recession. is that a dangerous policy-could it— recession. is that a dangerous policy-could it be- recession. is that a dangerous policy could it be a good

policy or could it be a good rnmee— policy or could it be a good rnmee no— policy or could it be a good thing? do-really- policy or could it be a good thing? do really think that thing? do you really think that maybe— thing? do you really think thati maybe—recession? maybe we are due a recession? unar— maybe we are due a recession? vvnar-n— maybe we are due a recession? vvnar-n rearry— maybe we are due a recession? what it really mean if we what would it really mean if we vom— what would it really mean if we venr inro— what would it really mean if we venr no one— what would it really mean if we went into one oh,— what would it really mean if we went into one oh, what's going onloermany— went into one oh, what's going on germany anyway? we'll find on in germany anyway? we'll find our.— on in germany anyway? we'll find our—nome- out. their economy is doing arme— out. their economy is doing arnie-christys- out. their economy is doing arnie christys gb

through until 7:00 this evening. gb through until 7:00 this evening. on nevs— through until 7:00 this evening. on news rne— through until 7:00 this evening. gb news the people's channel. roman-s— gb news the people's channel. britain's watched— gb news the people's channel. britain's watched .— gb news the people's channel. britain's watched . t t britain's watched. welcome back. now at 4:00, which is not far away now, i will be discussing these plans to apparently deport more than 3000 asylum seekers a month . i'm also going to ask why month. i'm also going to ask why so many non eu nationals are coming to the uk and what that might mean for britain going forward. but before all of that, chancellor jeremy forward. but before all of that, chancellorjeremy hunt, forward. but before all of that, chancellor jeremy hunt, who forward. but before all of that, chancellorjeremy hunt, who is not everybody's cup of tea, has backed interest rate hikes being used to calm soaring inflation. now that's even if they increase the risk of pushing the uk into a recession. so hunt was speaking after it emerged that the bank of england could raise interest rates from four and one half to 5.5. on wednesday, it was announced that inflation had fallen to 8.7. of course, food

price inflation is still eye wateringly high , well over 19. i wateringly high, well over 19. i am joined very gratefully so by the former chancellor lord lamont. thank you very much. joining us in the studio. it's great to have someone of your expertise in here. really, first and foremost, how of the and foremost, how afraid of the word recession should we really be, do you think? well i think there's a difference between a short recession when you get maybe a modest dip in output for just a couple of months, three months and something that goes on for a whole year , sometimes on for a whole year, sometimes it might be better to have a small, sharp correction to the economy in order to get inflation down rather than have a period where you don't take action and you end up having a longer recession . well, just to longer recession. well, just to expand on that a little bit, because i think you will know better than i do. but i think that politicians, especially in this day age, so , so this day and age, are so, so ruled instant headlines and ruled by instant headlines and will do everything they possibly can to avoid the front pages of britain in recession. we know

how gloomy our media can be at the best of times, especially about this country, which i find quite but really, quite bizarre. but really, is he going to avoid and that going to try to avoid and that being the headline at any cost? well, think you're right. well, i think you're right. wren— well, i think you're right. when you— well, i think you're right. when you think— well, i think you're right. when you think-it,i well, i think you're right. l when you think-it, the when you think about it, the definition a recession definition of a recession technically is two quarters negative. economic growth . that negative. economic growth. that is six months. that is not the end of the world. if you have six months of negative growth and to have inflation at the present level, we have of 8, which is one of the worst levels in europe, i regret to say we are lagging other countries in getting our inflation down. and i think, you know , people have i think, you know, people have got to remember that this is very corrosive. we know what difficulty people are having with with energy with food bills, with energy bills, having bills, but they're also having a more general problem just adjusting to the general cost of living and if this goes on year after year , i mean, if we have after year, i mean, if we have 7% inflation per annum, i mean, in five years time, your is halved . yeah. yeah. halved in value. yeah. yeah. nmon— halved in value. yeah. yeah. which, which— halved in value. yeah. yeah. which, which cannot- : :�* yeah. yeah. which, which cannot be allowed to which, which cannot be allowed ro nappen. — which, which cannot be allowed ro nappen. rms— which, which cannot be allowed to happen. :�* : which, which cannot be allowed to happen. :�*

to happen. this leads to strikes . it's to happen. this leads to strikes . rr-s rune— to happen. :�* it's quite understandable that . it's quite understandable that oeoore— . it's quite understandable that peoore say:— . it's quite understandable that peoore say, on:— . it's quite understandable that peoore say, on r— it's quite understandable that people say, oh, i want to be compensarea— people say, oh, i want to be compensated for— people say, oh, i want to be compensated for the inflation mar— compensated for the inflation rnar nas— compensated for the inflation that has eroded— compensated for the inflation that has eroded my living sranaaras.— that has eroded my living standards. but— that has eroded my living standards. but of course that can-r— standards. but of course that can't-allowed— standards. but of course that can't allowed because if can't be allowed because if everybody— can't be allowed because if everynoay rs— can't be allowed because if everybody is compensated for the rmrarron: — everybody is compensated for the rmrarron: me— everybody is compensated for the inflation, the inflation just goes— inflation, the inflation just goes on — inflation, the inflation just goes on ana— inflation, the inflation just goes on and and on. inflation, the inflation just- goes on and-and on. i'm going goes on and on and on. i'm going to goes on and on and on. i'm going as ask— goes on and on and on. i'm going as ask you— goes on and on and on. i'm going to ask you a couple of questions rolled into one, really, which is how competent do you think jeremy hunt really both as jeremy hunt really is? both as a chancellor and as a communicator, but also as well? how the for the how much of the blame for the current economic mess that we find should laid find ourselves in should be laid firmly door of the bank firmly at the door of the bank of england? well, first of all, on-nunr:— of england? well, first of all, on-nunr: rm— of england? well, first of all,j on- hunt, i'm .quite on jeremy hunt, i'm not quite uny— on jeremy hunt, i'm not quite vny youe— on jeremy hunt, i'm not quite sure why you're so— on jeremy hunt, i'm not quite sure why you're so critical of mm.— sure why you're so critical of nmlrnmv— sure why you're so critical of him. think excellent at him. i think he's excellent at nes— him. i think he's excellent at ne-s onry— him. i think he's excellent at he's only-there- him. i think he's excellent at he's only-there a- him. i think he's excellent at he's only there a short he's only been there a short nmo:— he's only been there a short nmo: nur— he's only been there a short nmo: our r— he's only been there a short time, but i think— he's only been there a short time, but i think he's done all me— time, but i think he's done all me nem— time, but i think he's done all the right things. _ time, but i think he's done all the right things. i— time, but i think he's done all the right things. i think he made— the right things. i think he madelgood_ the right things. i think he made good attempt at made a good attempt at stabilising— made a good attempt at stabilising the economy. i think he stabilising the economy. i think ne—eoonomyi stabilising the economy. i think he .the _economy| stabilising the economy. i think he the problems economy stabilising the economy. i think he the problems we conomy stabilising the economy. i think he the problems we hadrmy stabilising the economy. i think he the problems we had with after the problems we had with the after the problems we had with me rruss— after the problems we had with the truss budget. _ after the problems we had with the truss budget. now i have every—m— the truss budget. now i have every—m reremyl every confidence in jeremy hunt. nnon— every confidence in jeremy hunt. vvnen you— every confidence in jeremy hunt. vvnen you say— every confidence in jeremy hunt. when you say-the- every confidence in jeremy hunt. when you say the bank of when you say about the bank of merma— when you say about the bank of england-verv- when you say about the bank of england very august, england and it's a very august, very— england and it's a very august, very presnerous— england and it's a very august, very prestigious institution, nur— very prestigious institution, our r— very prestigious institution, our r oon-r— very prestigious institution, but i don't think it's exactly overea— but i don't think it's exactly covered itself— but i don't think it's exactly covered itself glory the covered itself in glory in the eoem— covered itself in glory in the reoem oasr— covered itself in glory in the eenr pasr .— covered itself in glory in the recent past . and— covered itself in glory in the recent past . and although a lot recent past. and although a lot of recent past. and although a lot

or me— recent past. and although a lot of the inflation— recent past. and although a lot of the inflation that we have comes from imported causes energy— comes from imported causes energy ana— comes from imported causes energy and food— comes from imported causes energy and food prices , energy and food prices, onvrousry— energy and food prices, obviously the- energy and food prices, obviously the war in ukraine has caused— obviously the war in ukraine has caused rnmgs— obviously the war in ukraine has caused things to— obviously the war in ukraine has caused things to go up in price mar— caused things to go up in price rnar me— caused things to go up in price that the bank— caused things to go up in price that the bank of— caused things to go up in price that the bank of england oouran-r— that the bank of england couldn't have— that the bank of england couldn't have anticipated, oouran-r— couldn't have anticipated, couldn't have— couldn't have anticipated, couldn't have prevented. but navmg— couldn't have prevented. but navmg saro— couldn't have prevented. but having said that, what has rearry— having said that, what has really worrying— having said that, what has really worrying about the gresem— really worrying about the present rate _ really worrying about the present rate of inflation? ian, n-s— present rate of inflation? ian, us nor— present rate of inflation? ian, us nor r-usr— present rate of inflation? ian, it's not just the— present rate of inflation? ian, it's not just the over 8% rmrarron — it's not just the over 8% inflation that - it's not just the over 8% inflation that you referred to. us— inflation that you referred to. us me — inflation that you referred to. it's the underlying core rate of rmrarron— it's the underlying core rate of inflation stripping out energy, srnggmg— inflation stripping out energy, srnggmg our— inflation stripping out energy, stripping out food that is still go.— stripping out food that is still ere ana— stripping out food that is still over 6% and has— stripping out food that is still over 6% and has gone up, not ooun:— over 6% and has gone up, not down gone— over 6% and has gone up, not down, gone up.— over 6% and has gone up, not down, gone up. and that maroares— down, gone up. and that indicates that- down, gone up. and that indicates that there is a dumas mysnoarry— indicates that there is a dumas mystically generated inflation and anar— mystically generated inflation and ma r— mystically generated inflation and that i suspect, must have ganry— and that i suspect, must have come partly from _ and that i suspect, must have come partly from the bank of rngrana— come partly from the bank of england overreacting to covid going— england overreacting to covid gomg on— england overreacting to covid gomg on vnn— england overreacting to covid going on with too low interest rares— going on with too low interest rares for— going on with too low interest rares for roo— going on with too low interest rates for too long— going on with too low interest rates for too long a period and everybody— rates for too long a period and everybody gor— rates for too long a period and everybody got very used to that, norrovea — everybody got very used to that, norrovea roo— everybody got very used to that, borrowed too much— everybody got very used to that, borrowed too much money, so too rov— borrowed too much money, so too rov rnreresr— borrowed too much money, so too low interest rates— borrowed too much money, so too low interest rates .— borrowed too much money, so too low interest rates . and then low interest rates. and then arso— low interest rates. and then arso ve— low interest rates. and then arso ve nau— low interest rates. and then also we had the— low interest rates. and then also we had the second round of guanrnarrve— also we had the second round of quantitative easing, i think, umon— quantitative easing, i think, vnron vas— quantitative easing, i think, which was probably a big mistake

and au— which was probably a big mistake and an rnar. — which was probably a big mistake and an rnar. r— which was probably a big mistake and all that. i think has contributed— and all that. i think has contributed to- and all that. i think has contributed to domestically generarea— contributed to domestically generated inflation. and we've got generated inflation. and we've gor ro— generated inflation. and we've gor ro ger— generated inflation. and we've gor ro ger me— generated inflation. and we've got to get the core rate down. can— got to get the core rate down. can r— got to get the core rate down. can r ask— got to get the core rate down. can r ask you— got to get the core rate down. can i ask you about— got to get the core rate down. can i ask you about in- got to get the core rate down. can i ask you about in light of yesterday's record net migration figures, a lot of the noise about it is, well, we need this for our gdp. we need this for our economy to thrive. and jeremy hunt appears to be firmly in that camp. if the noises coming out of the cabinet are real and the divide in cabinet is real there where do you stand on that? because a lot of people now, i think, are saying at what cost for the sake of our gdp improving by however much people's day to day lives serves. i think now dodi don't feel the benefits of the net migration. are we right to try to put a lot of eggs in the mass migration basket? i think the gresem— migration basket? i think the present level— migration basket? i think the present level of— g rt:r" 7 i think the present level of immigration is too present level of immigration is roo nrgn— present level of immigration is roo nrgn ana— present level of immigration is too high and needs to be brought down— too high and needs to be brought down ana— too high and needs to be brought gown and anar— too high and needs to be brought down and that is— too high and needs to be brought down and that is the prime rrmrsrer-s— down and that is the prime minister's view. 'r: down and that is the prime minister's view. ' r: ”rt; minister's view. and i'm sure it's jeremy hunt's view as well. when people talk about

immigration producing gdp growth, obviously if you have population growth , if the population growth, if the economy is bigger, but if you have 12 people instead of ten people, that's more people. it's a bigger gdp of 12 people. that's not making people better off. what we want is specialised and skilled immigration that actually enables gdp per capita to increase in value. and that's what we're not getting. and i think the evidence that immigration action adds to gdp per capita is pretty thin, frankly . arnie gdp just frankly. arnie gdp just expanded. just have a bigger economy . when you're a small, economy. when you're a small, crowded island with pressure on your infrastructure is not the answer to our problems . we do answer to our problems. we do need some immigration for some specific sectors where there is a shortage of labour and we obviously ought the long term to train more people or automate more in order to fill those gaps. but in the meantime , you gaps. but in the meantime, you may need to import some people to do that. of course, they

don't necessarily need to come here permanently. they could come period of time, come here for a period of time, isn't yeah. thank you very isn't it? yeah. thank you very muon. — isn't it? yeah. thank you very muon. r— isn't it? yeah. thank you very muon. r rearky— e 7 yeah. thank you very much. i really appreciate your nmo— much. i really appreciate your one ana— much. i really appreciate your one and your— much. i really appreciate your time and your insights and wisdom— time and your insights and wisdom,-when- time and your insights and- wisdom,-when.comes wisdom, really. when it comes to all wisdom, really. when it comes to ark-rom— wisdom, really. when it comes to all-lord lamont,- all of this. lord lamont, the former— all of this. lord lamont, the former chancellor okay. so today as war,— former chancellor okay. so today as well, very— former chancellor okay. so today as well, very much— former chancellor okay. so today as well, very much a shift in rome— as well, very much a shift in one mks— as well, very much a shift in tone this, ladies— as well, very much a shift in tone this, ladies and gents, i'm arraig— tone this, ladies and gents, i'm afraid, because— tone this, ladies and gents, i'm afraid, because today the resgeorrve — afraid, because today the respective killers of two baby toys— respective killers of two baby toys nave— respective killers of two baby boys have been— respective killers of two baby boys have been sentenced. sregnen— boys have been sentenced. stephen bowden and shannon manoeu— stephen bowden and shannon narsaen: uno— stephen bowden and shannon marsden, who brutally murdered merr— marsden, who brutally murdered rnerr nary— marsden, who brutally murdered rnerr baby so— marsden, who brutally murdered their baby son, finley bowden, nave— their baby son, finley bowden, nave born— their baby son, finley bowden, have both been— their baby son, finley bowden, have both been sentenced to life in have both been sentenced to life m prison.— have both been sentenced to life in prison. meanwhile jake drummond— in prison. meanwhile jake drummond has been jailed for a life drummond has been jailed for a me vnn— drummond has been jailed for a me mm a— drummond has been jailed for a life with a minimum of 32 years for me— life with a minimum of 32 years for the murder— life with a minimum of 32 years for the murder of— life with a minimum of 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob— for the murder of 15 month old raoon rennon— for the murder of 15 month old jacob lennon. these are both srones— jacob lennon. these are both stories we're— jacob lennon. these are both stories we're going to be rarkmg— stories we're going to be talking about— stories we're going to be talking about a lot more in the non— talking about a lot more in the near nour— talking about a lot more in the near nour. ny— talking about a lot more in the next hour. by the— talking about a lot more in the next hour. by the way, louise rennon— next hour. by the way, louise rennon vno— next hour. by the way, louise lennon, who was— next hour. by the way, louise lennon, who was the baby's momen— lennon, who was the baby's morner: nas— lennon, who was the baby's mother, has been sentenced to a eminenum— mother, has been sentenced to a or— mother, has been sentenced to a or ren— mother, has been sentenced to a minimum of ten years after being found— minimum of ten years after being round-negkeor- found guilty of neglect and akkovmg— found guilty of neglect and akkovmg-or- found guilty of neglect and allowing -of a . found guilty of neglect and. allowing-of a child. allowing the death of a child. rormng— allowing the death of a child. rommglrrom — allowing the death of a child. joining .from the - allowing the death of a child. joining from the old bailey joining us from the old bailey is our— joining us from the old bailey is our national— joining us from the old bailey is our national reporter, theo rneo— is our national reporter, theo theo chikomba,_ is our national reporter, theo theo chikomba, with the latest. rneo— theo chikomba, with the latest. rneo us:— theo chikomba, with the latest. theo us, what's— theo chikomba, with the latest. theo us, what's been going on vnn— theo us, what's been going on vnn youe— theo us, what's been going on man youe ves— theo us, what's been going on with you? yes, that's right.

yesr _ with you? yes, that's right. ves. mar-s— with you? yes, that's right. yes, that's right.— with you? yes, that's right. yes, that's right. so- with you? yes, that's right. yes, that's right. so in- with you? yes, that's right. yes, that's right. so in the last hour or so , both the couple last hour or so, both the couple were sentenced here at the old bailey , louise lennon, the bailey, louise lennon, the mother of jacob lennon, was sentenced to a minimum of ten years. and her partner, jake drummond , were sentenced to a drummond, were sentenced to a minimum of 32 years in prison. and before today , we've heard and before today, we've heard about some of those horrific details , particularly in the details, particularly in the trial, about some of the injuries that were inflicted onto jacob. and speaking in relation to this case, dci wayne jolley had this to say . it relation to this case, dci wayne jolley had this to say. it is a horrific case in which- “dj: it is a horrific case in which jacob, uno— horrific case in which jacob, vno vas— horrific case in which jacob, vno a— horrific case in which jacob, vno a rs— horrific case in which jacob, who was a 15 month old baby, was sum-enou— who was a 15 month old baby, was sunieorea ro— who was a 15 month old baby, was subjected to some— who was a 15 month old baby, was subjected to some horrific mr-unes. — subjected to some horrific injuries. they- subjected to some horrific injuries. "rig subjected to some horrific injuries. they were truly awful and cruel. there were over 20 individual injuries to his body at the time of his death . one of at the time of his death. one of the most significant injuries was the injury to his genitalia, which was cruel and sadistic in its own right .

which was cruel and sadistic in its own right. drummond had subjected jacob to a period of a assault over a three week period when he commenced a relationship with louise lennon. yeah this is extremely unusual in my 30 years of service . this was a really of service. this was a really distressing and emotional case for all of those involved . and for all of those involved. and louise lennon would have been fully aware as a mother of that child and that these injuries were significant and they required medical assistance. the professional on seeing jacob when he went into hospital described that they couldn't open his eyes and that he had panda eyes . they had embarked on panda eyes. they had embarked on a web of lies to try and deceive everybody that they spoke to on that morning. of the 27th of august. well, that morning. of the 27th of august . well, in his summary, august. well, in his summary, the august. well, in his summary, rne rugge— august. well, in his summary, rne judge saro— august. well, in his summary, the judge said that— gatre well, in his summary, the judge said that the gt well, in his summary, the judge said that the injuries mar— the judge said that the injuries rnar vero— the judge said that the injuries

that were seen _ the judge said that the injuries that were seen on— the judge said that the injuries that were seen on jacob seemed to that were seen on jacob seemed o no— that were seen on jacob seemed to be non—accidental and that 20 of to be non—accidental and that 20 or me— to be non—accidental and that 20 or me eoem— to be non—accidental and that 20 of the recent injuries were in his of the recent injuries were in ms upper— of the recent injuries were in ms upper ana— of the recent injuries were in his upper and lower limbs and mar— his upper and lower limbs and ma me— his upper and lower limbs and that the couple _ his upper and lower limbs and that the couple told lies about merr— that the couple told lies about their whereabouts so that social services— their whereabouts so that social services couldn't— their whereabouts so that social services couldn't get in contact rnem — services couldn't get in contact rnem ro— services couldn't get in contact rnem ro nem— services couldn't get in contact them to help the— services couldn't get in contact them to help the family at that ganroukar— them to help the family at that particular time. _ them to help the family at that particular time. so it's a nonme— particular time. so it's a horrific case.— particular time. so it's a horrific case. the mother senrenoea— horrific case. the mother sentenced to _ horrific case. the mother sentenced to a- horrific case. the mother sentenced to a minimum of ten years— sentenced to a minimum of ten years ana— sentenced to a minimum of ten years and nor— sentenced to a minimum of ten years, and her partner, jake drummond:— years, and her partner, jake drummond, sentenced to a minimum of oz— drummond, sentenced to a minimum or so years— drummond, sentenced to a minimum or so years sear:— drummond, sentenced to a minimum of 32 years. great, theo, thank you— of 32 years. great, theo, thank you very— of 32 years. great, theo, thank you very muon. — of 32 years. great, theo, thank you very much. c" you very much. theo chikomba there. national reporter and it does lead me to on the one thing that i'm going to be talking about a lot in the next hour, which is about the sentences for child killers and whether or not actually the death penalty is the only fitting sentence for somebody who kills a child. i'm also going to be talking about the government set to deport 3000 migrants a month if home secretary suella braverman's bill passes . but is this all bill passes. but is this all talk and no action from the government, especially in light of net migration of yesterday's net migration figures, also figures, which, as we will also talk about in the hour,

talk about in the next hour, i do not believe a single do not believe for a single second patrick christys on gb news news .

channel very good afternoon, everybody . very good afternoon, everybody. patrick christys here on gb news. it'sjust patrick christys here on gb news. it's just gone 4 pm. here's what's on the agenda this houn here's what's on the agenda this hour. what will britain look like in the next 10 or 20 years in light of those net migration numbers that landed yesterday and the rapid rate of demographic change that we are expecting with around 900,000 people coming from non eu countries, are we delving into all of that? yeah, we're also going to be talking about this as well. should we bring back the death penalty for child killers? it's a topic that raises its head every single time we deal with vile, vile child abuse cases. and we've had two sentencings in one day today . so i thought i would ask this

question, should we bring back the death penalty for those people who kill kids? in other news, i'm also going to be talking, course, about this. talking, of course, about this. the remember them? the who. remember them? i thought of our thought they were out of our lives good. well, alas, lives for good. well, alas, apparently is our apparently not. is our government , our politicians government, our politicians actually arnie going actually seriously arnie going to sign away the ability for us to sign away the ability for us to say whether or not we go into another lockdown, just to the w.h.0. another lockdown, just to the who. would you trust them? w.h.o. would you trust them? would you trust them to decide whether the right whether or not it's the right time restrict our civil time to restrict our civil liberties all over again? now we'll be talking to none other than esther mcvey, our very own, but that she's very animated about so should be a about that. so that should be a good . now, i'm also going to good do. now, i'm also going to be this as well. yes okay. be doing this as well. yes okay. so viewers and listeners to so keen viewers and listeners to this course, know this show will, of course, know that am going to dancing on that i am going to be dancing on stage the dream boys the stage with the dream boys on the 28th is just over 28th of june, which is just over a month away, isn't it? now i have to lose quite a lot of have had to lose quite a lot of weight work in progress and i'll be getting my kit off to raise money for the mental health charity mind. and you can donate now . just

giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's i'm hoping to raise 50 grand. we might do that this show if you've got a few quid i would massively appreciate it let's save some lives patrick christys on . gb news i am also christys on. gb news i am also accepting donations for me to not take my kit off and we'll see which one of those outweighs it at the end of it. but yes, gbviews@gbnews.uk .com. even new email address catches me out every time. i'll see you after the headlines with rory . james, the headlines with rory. james, patrick. a man has been jailed for me— patrick. a man has been jailed for me unn— patrick. a man has been jailed for life with a— t a man has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 for life with a minimum term of so years— for life with a minimum term of so years for— for life with a minimum term of 32 years for the _ for life with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder of 15 nomn— 32 years for the murder of 15 monrn oka— 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob— 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob lennon. jake drummond:— month old jacob lennon. jake drummond, the— month old jacob lennon. jake drummond, the partner of the roaaker-s— drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother,— drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother, was jailed rokkovmg— toddler's mother, was jailed rokkovmg a— toddler's mother, was jailed following a campaign of cruel ana— following a campaign of cruel and sadistic— following a campaign of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy suffered— and sadistic abuse. the boy suffered multiple injuries over arnree— suffered multiple injuries over arnree week— suffered multiple injuries over a three week period in 2019, men— a three week period in 2019, vnen me— a three week period in 2019, when the victim's mother, louise rennon— when the victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed— when the victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten years

for arrovmg— lennon, was jailed for ten years for allowing jacob's death . for allowing jacob's death. overu— for allowing jacob's death. war, m— for allowing jacob's death. well, in other— for allowing jacob's death. well, in other news, the parents of well, in other news, the parents or a— well, in other news, the parents or a ren— well, in other news, the parents of a ten month— well, in other news, the parents of a ten month old— well, in other news, the parents of a ten month old boy who was murdered— of a ten month old boy who was murdered on— of a ten month old boy who was murdered on christmas day in 2on— murdered on christmas day in 2020 nave— murdered on christmas day in 2020 have been— murdered on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for life for ms— 2020 have been jailed for life for his murder.— 2020 have been jailed for life for his murder. his mother , for his murder. his mother, snannon— for his murder. his mother, shannon morrison, was given a mrmmum— shannon morrison, was given a rerm— shannon morrison, was given a minimum term of— shannon morrison, was given a minimum term of 27 years whilst his minimum term of 27 years whilst nrs rarner— minimum term of 27 years whilst nrs rarner ,— minimum term of 27 years whilst his father , stephen— minimum term of 27 years whilst his father , stephen boden, was his father, stephen boden, was given— his father, stephen boden, was given a— his father, stephen boden, was given a minimum— his father, stephen boden, was given a minimum of 29 years. the nary— given a minimum of 29 years. the baby was— given a minimum of 29 years. the baby raken— given a minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into— given a minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care shortly anor— baby was taken into care shortly arrer mnn— baby was taken into care shortly after birth due— baby was taken into care shortly after birth due to— baby was taken into care shortly after birth due to child protection— after birth due to child protection concerns. but he was put protection concerns. but he was our bask— protection concerns. but he was our back no— protection concerns. but he was put back into his— protection concerns. but he was put back into his parents care 39 put back into his parents care so gays— put back into his parents care 39 days before— put back into his parents care 39 days before he died . police 39 days before he died. police say— 39 days before he died. police say me— 39 days before he died. police say no garr— 39 days before he died. police say the pair were— 39 days before he died. police say the pair were jailed for an incomprehensible crime. : incomprehensible crime. boden and incomprehensible crime. boden anu marsden— incomprehensible crime. boden and master .— incomprehensible crime. boden and marsden . from the moment and marsden. from the moment finley returned to their care throughout the trial after conviction in and even a sentence have never taken responsibility for their actions . they lied and obstructed professionals who were attempting to save finley to establish that he was being

cared for in the correct manner . the first minister of wales is chairing a community meeting in cardiff after the deaths of two teenagers sparked a riot. 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year— year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year oka— year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year our harvey— year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans were krkkea— year old harvey evans were killed whilst— year old harvey evans were killed whilst riding an e—bike . killed whilst riding an e—bike. rne— killed whilst riding an e—bike. rne police— killed whilst riding an e—bike. the police watchdog is investigating after cctv footage emerged— investigating after cctv footage emergea mar— investigating after cctv footage emerged that showed a police van rokkovmg— emerged that showed a police van rokkovmg rne — emerged that showed a police van following the teens— emerged that showed a police van following the teens just before merr— following the teens just before their deaths— following the teens just before their deaths .— following the teens just before their deaths . cars were set their deaths. cars were set augm— their deaths. cars were set arrgnr ana— their deaths. cars were set alight and windows were smashed in alight and windows were smashed m me— alight and windows were smashed in the violence— alight and windows were smashed in the violence with— alight and windows were smashed in the violence with nine people arresrea— in the violence with nine people arrested following _ in the violence with nine people arrested following the disorder . rouse— arrested following the disorder . rouse m— arrested following the disorder . police in northern ireland nave— . police in northern ireland have released— . police in northern ireland have released new footage of severa— have released new footage of several vehicles— have released new footage of several vehicles used by the guman— several vehicles used by the gunman m— several vehicles used by the gunman in connection with the arremgrea— gunman in connection with the attempted murder of a senior police— attempted murder of a senior police detective— attempted murder of a senior police detective .— attempted murder of a senior police detective . detective police detective. detective emer— police detective. detective chief inspector— police detective. detective chief inspector john caldwell snor— chief inspector john caldwell was shot several— chief inspector john caldwell was shot several times whilst ooaonmg— was shot several times whilst ooaonmg a— was shot several times whilst coaching a youth— was shot several times whilst coaching a youth football team at coaching a youth football team ar a— coaching a youth football team ar a spons— coaching a youth football team at a sports centre— coaching a youth football team at a sports centre in omagh last mommy.— at a sports centre in omagh last february. officers— at a sports centre in omagh last february. officers believe the mask— february. officers believe the black mercedes— february. officers believe the black mercedes benz was used born— black mercedes benz was used born before— black mercedes benz was used both before and— black mercedes benz was used both before and after the attack

to both before and after the attack ro rransgon— both before and after the attack to transport the _ both before and after the attack to transport the gunman and ones— to transport the gunman and ones away— to transport the gunman and others away from the scene. nine ana— others away from the scene. nine and no— others away from the scene. nine men and two women aged between 21 men and two women aged between zr ana— men and two women aged between or and n— men and two women aged between or and n were— men and two women aged between 21 and 72 were arrested this morning — 21 and 72 were arrested this morning. will— 21 and 72 were arrested this morning. will detective chief superintendent— morning. will detective chief superintendent eamonn corrigan provided— superintendent eamonn corrigan provided an— superintendent eamonn corrigan provided an update on those arresrea.— provided an update on those arrested. they've been taken to the arrested. they've been taken to no serious— arrested. they've been taken to the serious crime— arrested. they've been taken to the serious crime suite in musgrave— the serious crime suite in musgrave police station, where rney— musgrave police station, where rney are— musgrave police station, where they are currently— musgrave police station, where they are currently being questioned— they are currently being questioned by detectives . questioned by detectives. the arrssr— questioned by detectives. the arrests are a significant development in the investigation today. i am also releasing new cctv footage and photographs of a number of cars used by the gunmen and those involved on the night of and prior to john's attempt at murder on wednesday , attempt at murder on wednesday, the 22nd of february . an 18 year the 22nd of february. an 18 year old the 22nd of february. an 18 year or reenager— the 22nd of february. an 18 year old teenager has— the 22nd of february. an 18 year old teenager has been- ijijn: ”yr an 18 year old teenager has been arrested again— old teenager has been arrested agam r-usr— old teenager has been arrested agam r-usr gays— old teenager has been arrested again just days after being nmoo— again just days after being fined for— again just days after being fined for entering someone's nome— fined for entering someone's home without— fined for entering someone's home without permission . ms home without permission. ms e gosrea— home without permission. ms e posed a— home without permission. ms e posed a video— home without permission. ms e posted a video on— home without permission. ms e posted a video on a social media of posted a video on a social media or me— posted a video on a social media or me arresr— posted a video on a social media of the arrest this— posted a video on a social media of the arrest this morning . of the arrest this morning. merr— of the arrest this morning. well, earlier— of the arrest this morning. well, earlier this week, he greaaea— well, earlier this week, he

pleaded guilty— well, earlier this week, he pleaded guilty and apologised anor— pleaded guilty and apologised arrer nong— pleaded guilty and apologised after being handed a criminal nonavrour— after being handed a criminal behaviour order— after being handed a criminal behaviour order that was for fuming— behaviour order that was for filming himself— behaviour order that was for filming himself entering private resrenoesa— filming himself entering private residences and— filming himself entering private residences and posting them on sonar— residences and posting them on sonar mena— residences and posting them on social media. he— residences and posting them on social media. he appeared at rnames— social media. he appeared at rnames ar— social media. he appeared at thames at magistrates court and has thames at magistrates court and nas neon— thames at magistrates court and nas neon .— thames at magistrates court and has been . fined— thames at magistrates court and has been . fined £365. an 11 year has been. fined £365. an 11 year old has been. fined £365. an 11 year or noy— has been. fined £365. an 11 year or soy rs— has been. fined £365. an 11 year or boy is m— has been. fined £365. an 11 year or boy is m a— has been. fined £365. an 11 year old boy is in a critical condition— old boy is in a critical condition after being hit by a porno— condition after being hit by a porno ar— condition after being hit by a porno m— condition after being hit by a police car in lancaster. the force— police car in lancaster. the one says— police car in lancaster. the one says n— police car in lancaster. the force says it was- police car in lancaster. the force says it was attending an emergency— force says it was attending an emergency earr— force says it was attending an emergency call when the common— emergency call when the collision occurred last night . collision occurred last night. rne— collision occurred last night. the officers— collision occurred last night. the officers were _ collision occurred last night. the officers were working to esranrrsn — the officers were working to establish what— the officers were working to establish what happened and referred— establish what happened and referred the— establish what happened and referred the incident to the nonse— referred the incident to the police watchdog . the battle of police watchdog. the battle of the police watchdog. the battle of me krkamro— police watchdog. the battle of the atlantic commemorations have been— the atlantic commemorations have been raking— the atlantic commemorations have been taking place— the atlantic commemorations have been taking place in liverpool unn— been taking place in liverpool vnn me— been taking place in liverpool with the princess— been taking place in liverpool with the princess royal as the guesr— with the princess royal as the guesr or— with the princess royal as the guest of honour. _ with the princess royal as the guest of honour. it was the kongesr— guest of honour. it was the longest military campaign in mono— longest military campaign in krona vva— longest military campaign in world war ii,— longest military campaign in world war ii, a— longest military campaign in world war ii, a service has been nora— world war ii, a service has been new ana— world war ii, a service has been held and concluded in a fly—past by held and concluded in a fly—past ny nrsrono— held and concluded in a fly—past by historic aircraft— held and concluded in a fly—past by historic aircraft on the 80th annivesary— by historic aircraft on the 80th anniversary. while her royal nignness— anniversary. while her royal highness formally unveiled the earne— highness formally unveiled the new battle of— highness formally unveiled the new battle of the— highness formally unveiled the new battle of the atlantic iiemoriai— new battle of the atlantic memorial garden. and one of the

veeransr ken— memorial garden. and one of the veterans, ken benbow , told gb veterans, ken benbow, told gb nevs— veterans, ken benbow, told gb uevs ne— veterans, ken benbow, told gb uevs no viii— veterans, ken benbow, told gb news he will never forget what he news he will never forget what no vom— news he will never forget what he went through— news he will never forget what he went through . b news he will never forget what he went through . :�* he went through. i went in as a boy. — he went through. i went in as a boy. i— he went through. i went in as a boy. i came out as a man. i left school. i couldn't read or write everything i did . school. i couldn't read or write everything i did. i school. i couldn't read or write everything i did . i learnt from everything i did. i learnt from arnie . i learned from the navy . arnie. i learned from the navy. i'm proud of it and i thank the navy. i'm proud of it and i thank the navy . pope francis has skipped navy. pope francis has skipped meetings today because of a fever. the meetings today because of a fever . the vatican hasn't fever. the vatican hasn't provision— fever. the vatican hasn't provided any— �*"rt;rrt;” the vatican hasn't provided any more details on the 86 provided any more details on the so yea— provided any more details on the so year oii-s— provided any more details on the 86 year old's health, but has said— 86 year old's health, but has said no— 86 year old's health, but has said he didn't— 86 year old's health, but has said he didn't receive anyone in auieines— said he didn't receive anyone in audiences this— said he didn't receive anyone in audiences this morning. well, it anor— audiences this morning. well, it comes after he— audiences this morning. well, it comes after he spent five days in nosgirai— comes after he spent five days in nosgirai ar— comes after he spent five days in hospital at the— comes after he spent five days in hospital at the end of march. inar— in hospital at the end of march. inar vas— in hospital at the end of march. inar for— in hospital at the end of march. that was for bronchitis . but he that was for bronchitis. but he guiokiy— that was for bronchitis. but he quickly recovered _ that was for bronchitis. but he quickly recovered following a course of antibiotics . bit of course of antibiotics. bit of breaking— course of antibiotics. bit of breaking news— course of antibiotics. bit of breaking news to bring you now ani— breaking news to bring you now and former— breaking news to bring you now and former prime— breaking news to bring you now and former prime minister boris ronnson— and former prime minister boris ronnson nas—

and former prime minister boris johnson has reportedly had sinner— johnson has reportedly had dinner with— johnson has reportedly had dinner with the _ johnson has reportedly had dinner with the former us gresiiem— dinner with the former us president donald trump. it is rnougnr— president donald trump. it is rnougnr me— president donald trump. it is thought the two _ president donald trump. it is thought the two discussed the in— thought the two discussed the war in ukraine.— thought the two discussed the war in ukraine. we'll bring you more on those— war in ukraine. we'll bring you more on those talks a little bit rarer.— more on those talks a little bit iarer. nur— more on those talks a little bit iarer. our for— more on those talks a little bit later. but for now,— more on those talks a little bit later. but for now, we'll bring you— later. but for now, we'll bring you moo— later. but for now, we'll bring you as ir— later. but for now, we'll bring you more as it happens. now rnougn— you more as it happens. now rnougn, bask— you more as it happens. now though, back to— you more as it happens. now though, back to .— though, back to. patrick big— though, back to. patrick nig our— though, back to. patrick big our there's loads on the agenda— big our there's loads on the agenda for. — big our there's loads on the agenda for. i'm— big our there's loads on the agenda for. gt» g agenda for. i'm going to start by mentioning something that will return to it's in light of a couple of the stories harrowing stories that you heard in your bulletins there. should child killers be executed? i posed the question because two court cases today highlight the horror of child abuse in britain. there are certain crimes that make people want to bnng crimes that make people want to bring back the death penalty that course, one of them. that is, of course, one of them. child paedophilia, child murder, paedophilia, serial , terrorism. the serial killings, terrorism. the question for me is would it be a deterrent ? not in my book.

deterrent? not in my book. anybody who's system actively abuses a child, especially a defenceless baby, is a coward. that means that if they were threatened with being executed, then they probably wouldn't do it. there is also this question when once someone tortures a toddler , leaves them with toddler, leaves them with multiple bone fractures , stubbed multiple bone fractures, stubbed cigarettes out in their little legs, makes them roll around in their own filth, do we need them taking up our oxygen anymore? there's of there's no chance of rehabilitation. there's no coming that, is there? coming back from that, is there? so why not just take them out the back the courtroom and the back of the courtroom and shoot them? then there's the financial argument why should taxpayers pay £40,000 a year or however much it costs to keep somebody alive in prison with three meals, a day, three square meals, a day, italian cell and a full pouch of amber leaf tobacco at all times? when i sit through two court cases today involving innocent infants being abused by these thugs, and i consider the arguments that i've just laid out above, i have to be honest, my view is this it's not whether or not we should execute child killers. it's how slowly we

should do it . yeah, that's what should do it. yeah, that's what i think . i'm very, very worked i think. i'm very, very worked up about all of this. we're going to be having a discussion later on about whether or not we should bring back the death penalty for child killers. gb views at gb news i'm views at gb news .com. but i'm going to return to that story. as i've said now, though, to the news than 3000 asylum news that more than 3000 asylum seekers and seekers could be detained and deported the deported every month under the government's illegal migration bill. it's reported that the legislation , which key part legislation, which is a key part of sunak and suella of rishi sunak and suella braverman's, to cut braverman's, plans to cut immigration down, could the immigration down, could see the government removing 3163 asylum seekers each month from next january onwards. and i am joined now in the studio by gb news political reporter olivia lee on this. now, olivia, you think that there may be more to this story than meets the eye? because this might sound like good news to people, but apparently that apparently it's evidence that it's well reading it's unworkable. well reading between the lines, the fact that this briefing , this home office this briefing, this home office briefing has been leaked to the

guardian newspaper in particular might suggest that there could be just a little bit of mischief making going on from civil servants in the home office to the suggestion that 3000 migrants could deported every migrants could be deported every month to rwanda or another third country raises a lot of questions , as you mentioned, questions, as you mentioned, about the workability of the plan. they would come with an enormous price— plan. they would come with an enormous price tag. _ zrrti“ they would come with an enormous price tag. you'd have to enormous price tag. you'd have ro-a— enormous price tag. you'd have ro-a iavyer— enormous price tag. you'd have ro-a iavyer for— enormous price tag. you'd have to a lawyer for every to have a lawyer for every singie— to have a lawyer for every single migrant.- to have a lawyer for every single migrant. you have single migrant. you would have to single migrant. you would have ro-a— single migrant. you would have to-a solicitor— single migrant. you would have to a solicitor acting on to have a solicitor acting on moir— to have a solicitor acting on moi-kni— to have a solicitor acting on their-and-of. their behalf. and then, of course, there's- their behalf. and then, of course, there's the price of the signs— course, there's the price of the. riignrs—vouii flights themselves, which would nave — flights themselves, which would nave -on— flights themselves, which would nave -on o — flights themselves, which would have off to rwanda. so have to go off to rwanda. so mis— have to go off to rwanda. so rnis suggesrs— have to go off to rwanda. so this suggests that perhaps there mignr— this suggests that perhaps there mignr io— this suggests that perhaps there mignr ie a— this suggests that perhaps there mignr no a nir— this suggests that perhaps there might be a bit of— this suggests that perhaps there might be a bit of unworkability to might be a bit of unworkability ro me— might be a bit of unworkability o no gian— might be a bit of unworkability to the plan, but— might be a bit of unworkability to the plan, but the fact that oivii— to the plan, but the fact that civil servants _ to the plan, but the fact that civil servants have chosen to ieak— civil servants have chosen to ieak ir— civil servants have chosen to ieak ir ro— civil servants have chosen to leak it to the— civil servants have chosen to leak it to the guardian right maybe— leak it to the guardian right now, maybe suggests that they ieiieve— now, maybe suggests that they ieiieve mar— now, maybe suggests that they believe that it's— now, maybe suggests that they believe that it's not a workable noisy— believe that it's not a workable goiioy ana— believe that it's not a workable policy and would— believe that it's not a workable policy and would like to get mar— policy and would like to get rnar ger— policy and would like to get that get that. _ policy and would like to get that get that. what they believe is i that get that. what they believe is i fini— that get that. what they believe is i find ir— that get that. what they believe is i find it astonishing that vnen— is i find it astonishing that vnen ir— is i find it astonishing that when it comes— is i find it astonishing that when it comes to certain things iike— when it comes to certain things iikelvar— when it comes to certain things iikelvar in— when it comes to certain things like war in ukraine, money is like a war in ukraine, money is no—ir— like a war in ukraine, money is no—ir omes- like a war in ukraine, money is no—ir ro- no object when it comes to oenain— no object when it comes to certain-like- no object when it comes to certain like putting up certain things like putting up noreis— certain things like putting up hotels-asylum,- certain things like putting up hotels asylum, seeking money hotels for asylum, seeking money is— weir.— hotels for asylum, seeking money is— vieii. give- hotels for asylum, seeking money is- well, give the- is no object. well, give the french a of money to not

french a load of money to not police their coastline. our money's object. all. money's no object. that's all. absolutely fine. in the middle of will pay for of the lockdowns will pay for every tom, dick and harry to have a fake living, etcetera. that's all right. then that's all. all right. but then when to actually when it comes to actually protecting our borders, all protecting our own borders, all that's pricey, isn't it? that's a bit pricey, isn't it? yes certainly an yes there is certainly an element of that. i think there is anorner— element of that. i think there is another serious— i think there is another serious question aiour— is another serious question aiour me— is another serious question about the practicality of the gian— about the practicality of the gran-nov- about the practicality of the plan,-how many. about the practicality of the - plan,-how many migrants plan, which is how many migrants can plan, which is how many migrants kvanaa— plan, which is how many migrants can rwanda actually take? my minisrers— can rwanda actually take? my ministers-talked- can rwanda actually take? my ministers talked quite a ministers have talked quite a bit ministers have talked quite a in aiour— ministers have talked quite a bit about setting— ministers have talked quite a bit about setting up third party agreemenrs— bit about setting up third party agreements with— bit about setting up third party agreements with countries agreements with other countries as ani— agreements with other countries as and ma— agreements with other countries as and that sounds like a sensiiie— as and that sounds like a sensible plan,— as and that sounds like a sensible plan, but until we know aiour— sensible plan, but until we know more about those,— sensible plan, but until we know more about those, until those agreemenrs— more about those, until those agreements have— more about those, until those agreements have actually been made— agreements have actually been made ,— agreements have actually been made : ir-s— agreements have actually been made , it's hard— agreements have actually been made , it's hard to— agreements have actually been made , it's hard to see that made, it's hard to see that kvania— made, it's hard to see that rwanda could— made, it's hard to see that rwanda could take these this kind— rwanda could take these this kind or— rwanda could take these this kind of numbers— rwanda could take these this kind of numbers of migrants if mis— kind of numbers of migrants if no is— kind of numbers of migrants if this is actually— kind of numbers of migrants if this is actually what it would be. this is actually what it would no. or— this is actually what it would be. of course,— this is actually what it would be. of course, braverman be. of course, suella braverman vouii— be. of course, suella braverman would—ministers- be. of course, suella braverman would ministers and would argue, and ministers and auies—ro- would argue, and ministers and allies—to that- would argue, and ministers and allies—to that the. allies would argue to that the purpose— allies would argue to that the purpose or— allies would argue to that the purpose or me— allies would argue to that the purpose of the small boats bill is many— purpose of the small boats bill is mainiy as— purpose of the small boats bill is mainiy as a— purpose of the small boats bill is mainly as a deterrent. yes, exaoriy. — is mainly as a deterrent. yes, exaoriy. -vanr- is mainly as a deterrent. yes, exactly. -want to- is mainly as a deterrent. yes, exactly. want to be seeing exactly. you'd want to be seeing rever— fewer than this number potentially. - potentially. potentially, it could a bit of a one off could act as a bit of a one off cost, couldn't it? because once people started seeing that 2999

of their mates have been deported to rwanda, it might make people think twice about making across the making that journey across the channel olivia, thank you very much. olivia utley political much. olivia utley our political reporter. really reporter. now, something really stood yesterday. stood out for me yesterday. i was out and about in boston and i decided in lincolnshire, not massachusetts. decided that i massachusetts. i decided that i wanted to the epicentre of wanted to go to the epicentre of the that is the brexit vote. that place is the brexit vote. that place is the brexit vote. that place is the brexit backing of the brexit backing capital of britain. as well. it's britain. and also as well. it's the least well integrated. so it's a perfect little microcosm about migration in in about mass migration in in britain. so i went over there yesterday, did a show from there before we were overtaken by events because someone drove into the gates of downing street. we found out street. but we found out yesterday, that more yesterday, didn't we, that more than net migration figure than the net migration figure for 2022 was 606,000. one stat really caught my eye while 151,000 eu nationals came to the uk last year, 202,000 left the country, but there was an increase. a staggering increase increase. a staggering increase in net migration from among non eu nationals. in net migration from among non eu nationals . a massive . 925,000

eu nationals. a massive. 925,000 had arrived in the uk , while had arrived in the uk, while only 263,000 did left . and this only 263,000 did left. and this got me thinking really what kind of thing can that mean? just in kind of practical geographic reality for the demographics of britain ? yeah, we will of course britain? yeah, we will of course have people immigrating from america , from australia, from america, from australia, from countries like that, but also , countries like that, but also, let's be from parts of let's be honest, from parts of the africa. the subcontinent, from africa. so find what all of this so to find out what all of this really means, i'm joined by matt goodwin, who's professor of politics international politics and international relations university of relations at the university of kent. matt, great have you on kent. matt, great to have you on the thank you very, very the show. thank you very, very much. with you. much. great to be with you. patrick is britain going to. well, look very , very, very well, look very, very, very different in about 5 or 10 years time with this rate of immigration from countries who are outside of the eu ? well, the are outside of the eu? well, the short are outside of the eu? well, the snon answer— are outside of the eu? well, the short answer to— are outside of the eu? well, the short answer to the— r:rt. 7 well, the short answer to the question r:rt 7 well, the short answer to the question is yes,— short answer to the question is yes. we— short answer to the question is yes, we are seeing— short answer to the question is yes, we are seeing really the continuation— yes, we are seeing really the continuation of— yes, we are seeing really the continuation of this experiment vim— continuation of this experiment virn mass— continuation of this experiment with mass migration that really began— with mass migration that really began unner— with mass migration that really began under tony blair and new rapour. — began under tony blair and new rapour. nur— began under tony blair and new labour. but over— began under tony blair and new labour. but over the- began under tony blair and new

labour. but over the last two years has changed as you suggest, in a number of important ways . most people who important ways. most people who are now coming to the country are now coming to the country are coming from outside of the european union . we know, by the european union. we know, by the way, patrick, that those migrants tend to make less of a contribution overall to the uk economy as people from within europe and the pace of change, which is a crucial point, especially in areas of the country like boston and skegness, the pace of change is going to become much quicker, largely because the domestic british population are not really having as many children as they used to . and so as they used to. and so immigration is now the primary driver of population growth , driver of population growth, both here in the uk . so we're both here in the uk. so we're going to see some really sizeable changes . going to see some really sizeable changes. i mean, if i give you one stat, for example, by by 2040, it's estimated that if we continue with the current level of migration, we'll have somewhere around 5 million more

people in the country , which is, people in the country, which is, you know, nearly five. birmingham's to give you an example of what that means in terms of population change. so this is going to be dramatic and it's going to be very rapid. yeah, absolutely. and matt, yesreraay— yeah, absolutely. and matt, yesreraay as— yeah, absolutely. and matt, yesreraay as i— yeah, absolutely. and matt, yesterday as i was walking aouna— yesterday as i was walking around boston,— yesterday as i was walking around boston, i was possibly the around boston, i was possibly me my— around boston, i was possibly rne oniy rime— around boston, i was possibly the only time i'll— around boston, i was possibly the only time i'll ever say mis— the only time i'll ever say rnis. i— the only time i'll ever say this. i wished— the only time i'll ever say this. i wished i— the only time i'll ever say this. i wished i was with gary this. iwished i was with gary iineker— this. iwished i was with gary lineker because— this. i wished i was with gary lineker because that is the kind of lineker because that is the kind or piaoe— lineker because that is the kind or piaoe mar— lineker because that is the kind of place that he— lineker because that is the kind of place that he doesn't want peopie— of place that he doesn't want peopie ro— of place that he doesn't want peopie ro go— of place that he doesn't want peopie ro go ani— of place that he doesn't want people to go and see. people raik— people to go and see. people raik aiour— people to go and see. people talk about big— people to go and see. people talk about big picture net migrarion— talk about big picture net migration stuff and look at what this migration stuff and look at what rnis-ione— migration stuff and look at what rnis-aone for— migration stuff and look at what this-done for our— migration stuff and look at what this done for our national this has done for our national eoomy kni— this has done for our national economy. and then he goes to nosron— economy. and then he goes to nosron-i— economy. and then he goes to boston-i don't— economy. and then he goes to boston i don't hate to say boston and i don't hate to say mis— boston and i don't hate to say no because— boston and i don't hate to say this because this— boston and i don't hate to say this because this is the reality of this because this is the reality or me— this because this is the reality of the situation. _ this because this is the reality of the situation. when you see piaoes— of the situation. when you see piaoes-rnar. — of the situation. when you see places-that. it— of the situation. when you see places that. it reminded me places like that. it reminded me of places like that. it reminded me or somerning— places like that. it reminded me of something that— places like that. it reminded me of something that president nump— of something that president irump sain— of something that president trump said about, you know, rney-re— trump said about, you know, rney-re nor— trump said about, you know, they're not necessarily sending moir— they're not necessarily sending rneir peso— they're not necessarily sending their best. and— they're not necessarily sending their best. and i— they're not necessarily sending their best. and i thought this is me— their best. and i thought this is the reality— their best. and i thought this is the reality actually , because is the reality actually, because mere-s— is the reality actually, because rnere-s a— is the reality actually, because rnere-s a or— is the reality actually, because there's a lot of— is the reality actually, because there's a lot of people in nosron— there's a lot of people in boston who— there's a lot of people in boston who will be looking aouni— boston who will be looking around there— boston who will be looking around there and thinking what net around there and thinking what nor nonem— around there and thinking what net benefit do— around there and thinking what net benefit do i— around there and thinking what net benefit do i get from these recom— net benefit do i get from these record breaking— net benefit do i get from these record breaking net migration numbes— record breaking net migration numbes e— record breaking net migration numbers ? when— record breaking net migration numbers ? when you see people who numbers? when you see people who are numbers? when you see people who sirring—

numbers? when you see people who are sitting around— numbers? when you see people who are sitting around not doing a lot are sitting around not doing a or aki— are sitting around not doing a or aii bay.— are sitting around not doing a lot all day, working in very , lot all day, working in very, very— lot all day, working in very, very rov— lot all day, working in very, very low skilled,- lot all day, working in very, very low skilled, low paid jobs . onen— very low skilled, low paid jobs . omen in— very low skilled, low paid jobs , often in massively overcrowded nouses— , often in massively overcrowded nouses ii— , often in massively overcrowded houses, et cetera_ , often in massively overcrowded houses, et cetera .— , often in massively overcrowded houses, et cetera . that is the houses, et cetera. that is the kind— houses, et cetera. that is the kind or— houses, et cetera. that is the kind of immigration action that ioesn-r— kind of immigration action that ioesn-r reaiiy— kind of immigration action that doesn't really get— kind of immigration action that doesn't really get spoken about enougn. — doesn't really get spoken about enougn. i— doesn't really get spoken about enough. i think— doesn't really get spoken about enough. i think matt well, look , i enough. i think matt well, look . i mean— enough. i think matt well, look , i mean, one of— enough. i think matt well, look , i mean, one of the things i've spenr— , i mean, one of the things i've spenr muon— , i mean, one of the things i've spenr muon or— , i mean, one of the things i've spent much of this— , i mean, one of the things i've spent much of this week doing on miner— spent much of this week doing on mine is— spent much of this week doing on twitter is pointing— spent much of this week doing on twitter is pointing out to peopie— twitter is pointing out to peopie anar— twitter is pointing out to people that mass migration is aoruaiiy— people that mass migration is aoruaiiy obi— people that mass migration is actually obe really a symptom of actually obe really a symptom of a-probiem— actually obe really a symptom of a-probiemlrnis- a deeper problem in this oounbry— a deeper problem in this country,-we'vel a deeper problem in this. country,-we've got country, which is we've got a poiirioai— country, which is we've got a political-that's- country, which is we've got a political that's been political economy that's been brougnr— political economy that's been brougnrlby— political economy that's been brougnrlby me— political economy that's been brought by the left and the brought in by the left and the igno— brought in by the left and the rignr. vnion— brought in by the left and the right, which has— brought in by the left and the right, which has basically resnapei— right, which has basically reshaped economy around reshaped our economy around oneap— reshaped our economy around oneap-vorkers- reshaped our economy around cheap workers from cheap migrant workers from abroad.— cheap migrant workers from abroad, often— cheap migrant workers from abroad, often low skilled workers, in— abroad, often low skilled workers, in order to serve the inreresrs— workers, in order to serve the inreresrs or— workers, in order to serve the interests of large— workers, in order to serve the interests of large corporations ana— interests of large corporations and a— interests of large corporations and a king— interests of large corporations and a kind or— interests of large corporations and a kind of socially liberal, raiioai— and a kind of socially liberal, radical woke,— and a kind of socially liberal, radical woke, progressive elite vno— radical woke, progressive elite vno vam— radical woke, progressive elite vno vanr ro — radical woke, progressive elite who want to exhibit their moral rignreousness— who want to exhibit their moral righteousness over the rest of me— righteousness over the rest of me oounrry— righteousness over the rest of me oounrry . — righteousness over the rest of the country. gary- righteousness over the rest of the country . city city righteousness over the rest of the country. city city the country. gary gary lineker being one example. and you know what we're seeing unfortunately today is immigration being used today is immigration being used to conceal many serious, deep problems in our country. i'll give you one example. if you

look, for example, at how much we're paying per year on housing, illegal migrants in britain , that's 1.3 housing, illegal migrants in britain ,that's1.3 billion. britain, that's 1.3 billion. patrick that is more money than we are currently spending on levelling up funds across the northwest and northeast and yorkshire combined . that's just yorkshire combined. that's just one example. you can look at the nhs, you can say, well, why don't we have enough doctors? well, i'll you, the answer well, i'll tell you, the answer is we're not expanding the number places for number of medical places for british kids and we're relying on often from on importing doctors, often from low countries who often low income countries who often haven't done as much training and skill development as domestic british doctors. so wherever you look in our economy, wherever you look in our society, whether it's welfare, housing and my criticism here is mass migration is being used by politicians on the left and the right to conceal all the difficult choices that they are failing to make. and voters aren't stupid. they can see it . no, absolutely they can see it. no, absolutely nor.— they can see it. no, absolutely nor. kni— they can see it. no, absolutely not. and voters— they can see it. no, absolutely not. and voters tell— "rty rtt c no, absolutely not. and voters tell politicians every— not. and voters tell politicians every singie— not. and voters tell politicians every single time— not. and voters tell politicians every single time they are given the every single time they are given me opponuniry— every single time they are given the opportunity exactly what rney— the opportunity exactly what rney reaiiy— the opportunity exactly what they really want to see from men — they really want to see from

men vnen — they really want to see from them when it— they really want to see from them when it comes to controlling— them when it comes to controlling our borders. and narr— controlling our borders. and nan .— controlling our borders. and nan . you— controlling our borders. and iiarr . you io— controlling our borders. and matt , you do a— controlling our borders. and matt, you do a lot about the orner— matt, you do a lot about the one bo-s— matt, you do a lot about the other bo's psychology really , of other bo's psychology really, of a rob— other bo's psychology really, of a or or— other bo's psychology really, of a lot of these— other bo's psychology really, of a lot of these virtue signalling iuvvies— a lot of these virtue signalling iuvvies vno — a lot of these virtue signalling luvvies who decide that they know— luvvies who decide that they know besr— luvvies who decide that they know best when _ luvvies who decide that they know best when it comes to migrarion. — know best when it comes to migration. fascinating is it not:— migration. fascinating is it nor. nan.— migration. fascinating is it not, matt, that— migration. fascinating is it not, matt, that a lot of these peopie— not, matt, that a lot of these peopie vouii— not, matt, that a lot of these people would never foot in people would never set foot in bosrone— people would never set foot in boston?-wouldn't- boston? certainly wouldn't onoose— boston? certainly wouldn't choose-live— boston? certainly wouldn't choose live there areas choose to live there or areas iike— choose to live there or areas like-mentioned- choose to live there or areas like mentioned skegness like it. you mentioned skegness and one— like it. you mentioned skegness ani or— like it. you mentioned skegness and one of the— like it. you mentioned skegness and one of the main reasons boning— and one of the main reasons benini mar.— and one of the main reasons behind that, although they won't behind that, although they won't be—abour- behind that, although they won't be_about this,. be honest with you about this, i suspeor— be honest with you about this, i suspeor nan.— be honest with you about this, i suspect matt, is— be honest with you about this, i suspect matt, is that they don't iike— suspect matt, is that they don't iike ir— suspect matt, is that they don't like it because— suspect matt, is that they don't like it because they wouldn't iike— like it because they wouldn't iike-or— like it because they wouldn't iike-or me— like it because they wouldn't like of the people there like a lot of the people there ani— like a lot of the people there ame—vam- like a lot of the people there ame—vam rol like a lot of the people there. and _want to live and they wouldn't want to live in-same— and they wouldn't want to live in - same situation - and they wouldn't want to live in same situation as the in the same situation as the iooais— in the same situation as the iooais no— in the same situation as the locals now face— in the same situation as the locals now face themselves in as a-or— locals now face themselves in as a-or ner— locals now face themselves in as a-of net migration- locals now face themselves in as a of net migration at a result of net migration at resorp— a result of net migration at record levels. _ a result of net migration at record levels. would agree? record levels. would you agree? broki— record levels. would you agree? weir-onen— record levels. would you agree? well-often talk- record levels. would you agree? well often talk about is well what i often talk about is . is— well what i often talk about is . is unar— well what i often talk about is . is vnar i— well what i often talk about is , is what i call— well what i often talk about is , is what i call luxury believe rour— , is what i call luxury believe ion is— , is what i call luxury believe ion is ani— , is what i call luxury believe four fs and what— , is what i call luxury believe four fs and what what what other sonoiars— four fs and what what what other sonoiars nave— four fs and what what what other scholars have called luxury beiiers— scholars have called luxury beliefs and _ scholars have called luxury beliefs and what i mean by that, bankn— beliefs and what i mean by that, barriok. is.— beliefs and what i mean by that, barriok. is. is— beliefs and what i mean by that, patrick, is, is people in the euro— patrick, is, is people in the elite - advocate - patrick, is, is people in the elite advocate ideas which elite who advocate ideas which bring— elite who advocate ideas which bring-very— elite who advocate ideas which bring-very rev— elite who advocate ideas which bring very few costs , which bring them very few costs, which rney— bring them very few costs, which rney use— bring them very few costs, which rney ro— bring them very few costs, which they use to signal— bring them very few costs, which they use to signal their status to they use to signal their status ro orner— they use to signal their status to other members— they use to signal their status to other members of the elite. bur— to other members of the elite. bur bur— to other members of the elite. bar bar abe— to other members of the elite. but but the unfortunate- to other members of the elite. but but the unfortunate thing about luxury beliefs like mass immigration, open borders is no

real limit to refugees is gender identity . let's allow kids, you identity. let's allow kids, you know, girls to become boys and boys to become girls . the boys to become girls. the problem here is actually many other people in society do pay the costs of those decisions. people in boston and skegness, people in clacton down the east coast, you'll meet many british workers, electricians, plumbers , mechanics who'll tell you straight up that actually the decisions that were taken over the last 20 years had enormous costs them, family and costs on them, their family and their communities so a their communities. so there is a hypocrisy that comes with the new elite in britain. and, you know, it's not only migration. patrick i think you and i have talked about family. talked previously about family. it's elite that says, it's the new elite that says, oh, everybody should live the way want live. you know, way they want to live. you know, be whatever choices be free, make whatever choices you want be. but they're also you want to be. but they're also the likely to get married, the most likely to get married, stay have kids stay married and have kids within marriage. so there is a hypocrisy that goes on here. maybe, way around maybe, maybe the way around this, should do this, you know, is we should do something what ron desantis something like what ron desantis did in america. know, he did in america. you know, he sent a lot of people crossing the border to the southern border up to

martha's maybe martha's vineyard. well, maybe we send everybody martha's vineyard. well, maybe werford, send everybody martha's vineyard. well, maybe werford, cambridge,nd everybody martha's vineyard. well, maybe werford, cambridge, brightonrody to oxford, cambridge, brighton and just see and bristol and then just see what the reaction maybe what the reaction is. maybe that's a natural experiment to test commitment of the that's a natural experiment to test elite commitment of the that's a natural experiment to test elite to commitment of the that's a natural experiment to test elite to theseiitment of the that's a natural experiment to test elite to these policyt of the new elite to these policy decisions. i new elite to these policy decisions . i could not agree decisions. i could not agree nan.— decisions. i could not agree more. matt, thank- r:rt.rt i could not agree more. matt, thank you very much. oooi— more. matt, thank you very much. oooi snar— more. matt, thank you very much. oooi onar aki— more. matt, thank you very much. good chat all day,— more. matt, thank you very much. good chat all day, but we're out of good chat all day, but we're out or rime.— good chat all day, but we're out or rime. narr— good chat all day, but we're out of time. matt goodwin, is of time. matt goodwin, there is professor— of time. matt goodwin, there is professor. politics _ of time. matt goodwin, there is professor politics and professor of politics and international— professor of politics and international at professor of politics and- international-at the international relations at the universiry— international relations at the universiry or— international relations at the university of talking university of kent talking a book— university of kent talking a nook-ior— university of kent talking a heck-lot of— university of kent talking a heck lot of sense in the heck of a lot of sense in the merr— heck of a lot of sense in the moor-on— heck of a lot of sense in the next-on this— heck of a lot of sense in the next on this migration next hour on this migration opio— next hour on this migration ropio.|am— next hour on this migration ropio.|am-ro- next hour on this migration topic, i am -to be - topic, i am going to be discussing— topic, i am going to be discussing this. if somebody oomeslrnis— discussing this. if somebody comes this country and comes to this country and oversrays— comes to this country and overstays basically goes overstays and basically goes inro—on- overstays and basically goes into—on earth. overstays and basically goes into—on earth do overstays and basically goes. into—on earth do we into hiding, how on earth do we keep— into hiding, how on earth do we keep-on— into hiding, how on earth do we keep-on memo— into hiding, how on earth do we keep on them? because yet keep tabs on them? because yet again—virnl again yesterday firsthand with my on— again yesterday firsthand with my eyes.— again yesterday firsthand with my own eyes, you can just see it nappening. — my own eyes, you can just see it nappening. kni— my own eyes, you can just see it nappening. one i— my own eyes, you can just see it happening. and i want to know vnar— happening. and i want to know what-actually— happening. and i want to know what actually about what we're actually doing about mar—a- what we're actually doing abouti that—a complete that because it casts a complete snaiov— that because it casts a complete snaiov over— that because it casts a complete shadow over the _ that because it casts a complete shadow over the actual reality of shadow over the actual reality or nose— shadow over the actual reality or nose ner— shadow over the actual reality of these net migration figures is devastatingly— of these net migration figures is devastatingly high as they are—nuoo- is devastatingly high as they. are._true?.the are. are they even true? 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neairn— raise money for the mental health charity— raise money for the mental health charity mind, and next week— health charity mind, and next week im— health charity mind, and next week in going— health charity mind, and next week i'm going to be showing you i week i'm going to be showing you i-reaiiy— week i'm going to be showing you i-reaiiy going— week i'm going to be showing you i-really doing-i'm- i am really doing my bit. i'm raking— i am really doing my bit. i'm raking ir— i am really doing my bit. i'm raking ir very— i am really doing my bit. i'm taking it very seriously. i'm iosing— taking it very seriously. i'm iosing a— taking it very seriously. i'm losing a heck— taking it very seriously. i'm losing a heck of- taking it very seriously. i'm losing a heck of a lot of weight ani— losing a heck of a lot of weight ame-aoruaiiy— losing a heck of a lot of weight and actually making and it's actually making me gube— quite miserable. but i'm aeiignrei— quite miserable. but i'm delighted-say- quite miserable. but i'm delighted say that we have delighted to say that we have raised— delighted to say that we have raised moo— delighted to say that we have raised more than— delighted to say that we have raised more than £47,000. you ionare— justgiving.com/fundraising/challenge cnrisrie-s— justgiving.com/fundraising/challenge cnrisrie-srnar— justgiving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's that is _ justgiving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's that is just giving aor— christie's that is just giving ior — christie's that is just giving dot com forward slash fundraising- dot com forward slash fundraising forward slash onaiienge— fundraising forward slash challenge christie's thank you to challenge christie's thank you ro eveoryne— challenge christie's thank you to everyone who's given everyrning— to everyone who's given everything from £2 50 to 2 grand union— everything from £2 50 to 2 grand vnion nas— everything from £2 50 to 2 grand which has happened and the reason i'm really doing this menrai— reason i'm really doing this mental health— reason i'm really doing this mental health charity mind a suicide— mental health charity mind a suicide is— mental health charity mind a suicide is the— mental health charity mind a suicide is the single biggest kiiier— suicide is the single biggest kiiier or— suicide is the single biggest killer of men— suicide is the single biggest killer of men under the age of la.— killer of men under the age of ore. union— killer of men under the age of ore. vnion i— killer of men under the age of 40, which i think— killer of men under the age of 40, which i think is absolutely riiiouious— 40, which i think is absolutely ridiculous in— 40, which i think is absolutely ridiculous in this— 40, which i think is absolutely ridiculous in this country. that is a— ridiculous in this country. that is a proper— ridiculous in this country. that is a proper pandemic, isn't it? i is a proper pandemic, isn't it? i viii— is a proper pandemic, isn't it? i viii be— is a proper pandemic, isn't it? i will be doing— is a proper pandemic, isn't it? i will be doing my bit, i promise— i will be doing my bit, i promise you.— i will be doing my bit, i promise you. i'm taking this very— promise you. i'm taking this very seriousiy— promise you. i'm taking this very seriously. i'm trying to get— very seriously. i'm trying to ger myseir— very seriously. i'm trying to ger myseir in— very seriously. i'm trying to get myself in decent shape, union— get myself in decent shape, union for— get myself in decent shape, which for me— get myself in decent shape, which for me is— get myself in decent shape, which for me is a massive effort ani— which for me is a massive effort ame-be— which for me is a massive effort ame-be gerring— which for me is a massive effort and-be getting-kit- which for me is a massive effort and be getting kit off and i'll be getting my kit off on sbage— and i'll be getting my kit off on stage. let's— and i'll be getting my kit off on stage. let's try and save iives— on stage. let's try and save some lives. just— some lives. just giving.com/fundraising, some lives. just— giving.com/fundraising, forward siasn— giving.com/fundraising, forward slash _christie's- giving.com/fundraising, forward slash okay. christie's giving.com/fundraising, forward slash okay. ithristie's giving.com/fundraising, forward slash okay. if we stie's giving.com/fundraising, forward slash okay. if we stie' hit right. okay. so if we can hit 50.000.— right. okay. so if we can hit 50,000,-will- right. okay. so if we can hit 50,000, will amazing. 50,000, that will be amazing. ibis— 50,000, that will be amazing. no snow. — 50,000, that will be amazing. this show-if— 50,000, that will be amazing. this show. -if you- 50,000, that will be amazing. this show. if you thought this show. okay. if you thought the-lockdowns- this show. okay. if you thought the lockdowns bad, the covid lockdowns were bad,

men—ironi- the covid lockdowns were bad, then world health then get this the world health organisarion— then get this the world health organisation might be the organisation might be given the power— organisation might be given thei power—lockdowns power to impose more lockdowns on vnen— power to impose more lockdowns on vinen i— power to impose more lockdowns on us. when i come— power to impose more lockdowns on us. when i come back, i'll be reiiing— on us. when i come back, i'll be telling-patrick- telling you why. patrick cnrisrys— telling you why. patrick christys news telling you why. patrick- christys- news britain's

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different story now , because different story now, because here's a story that will send a shiver down your spine. ministers fear that lockdown measures could be imposed on the uk during any future pandemic. six new plans will give the world health organisation remember them? the power to order countries to follow its instructions during a pandemic. and i this is pretty and i think this is pretty flipping sinister. a number of conservative mps have written to ministers issue and one ministers on this issue and one of is the wonderful esther of them is the wonderful esther mcvey of this parish and now esther joins me now. mcvey of this parish and now estherjoins me now. esther, thank you very much. great to have on the show. thank you. have you on the show. thank you. right talk through why you right talk me through why you think this is a bad idea. think this is such a bad idea. okay so all of a sudden, you see the okay so all of a sudden, you see me ironi— okay so all of a sudden, you see the world health— so all of a sudden, you see the world health authority motty bani— the world health authority motty iana grabbing— the world health authority motty iana grabbing .— the world health authority motty land grabbing , taking extra the world health authority motty land gréso ng , taking extra the world health authority motty land gréso insteading extra the world health authority motty land gréso instead ofi extra the world health authority motty land gréso instead of itxtra the world health authority motty land gréso instead of it being powers. so instead of it being vnion— powers. so instead of it being vnion ve— powers. so instead of it being which we had— powers. so instead of it being which we had it— powers. so instead of it being which we had it as an advisory organisabion— which we had it as an advisory organisation, it's— which we had it as an advisory organisation, it's now turning inro— organisation, it's now turning no a— organisation, it's now turning into a health— organisation, it's now turning into a health organisation with oompeiiing— into a health organisation with compelling powers so it could reki— compelling powers so it could reii peopie— compelling powers so it could reii peopie ro— compelling powers so it could tell people to lock down, it soure— tell people to lock down, it oouii reki— tell people to lock down, it could tell people, you know , could tell people, you know, abour— could tell people, you know, abour son— could tell people, you know, about sort of— could tell people, you know, about sort of vaccinations , about sort of vaccinations, vaccine passports, and it would nave— vaccine passports, and it would nave mis— vaccine passports, and it would have this overall—

vaccine passports, and it would have this overall control, which it have this overall control, which ir vas— have this overall control, which ir nor— have this overall control, which it was not meant— have this overall control, which it was not meant to have. so a group— it was not meant to have. so a group or— it was not meant to have. so a group or us— it was not meant to have. so a group or us vno— it was not meant to have. so a group of us who believe in parliamentary— group of us who believe in parliamentary scrutiny for the iavs— parliamentary scrutiny for the iavs mar— parliamentary scrutiny for the laws that rule— parliamentary scrutiny for the laws that rule our land to say, bang— laws that rule our land to say, bang on— laws that rule our land to say, hang on before— laws that rule our land to say, hang on before this happens, and it's hang on before this happens, and its aki— hang on before this happens, and ms aii nappening— hang on before this happens, and it's all happening very quickly, like it's all happening very quickly, iike ar— it's all happening very quickly, iike ar mis— it's all happening very quickly, like at this moment in time, the onanging— like at this moment in time, the onanging ane— like at this moment in time, the changing the international neairn— changing the international health regulations , we're health regulations, we're saying.— health regulations, we're saying, please, let's see the bran— saying, please, let's see the mar reor— saying, please, let's see the mar rear .— saying, please, let's see the draft text . not— saying, please, let's see the draft text . not that you're draft text. not that you're going— draft text. not that you're going ro— draft text. not that you're going ro seni— draft text. not that you're going to send an intergov governmental— going to send an intergov governmental negotiating team to negoriare— governmental negotiating team to negoriare on— governmental negotiating team to negotiate on. let's— governmental negotiating team to negotiate on. let's see those rears— negotiate on. let's see those bears in— negotiate on. let's see those texts in parliament so we can negoriare— texts in parliament so we can negoriare on— texts in parliament so we can negotiate on them, see what we mink.— negotiate on them, see what we rnink. ani— negotiate on them, see what we think, and have— negotiate on them, see what we think, and have a— negotiate on them, see what we think, and have a say in what's going— think, and have a say in what's going — think, and have a say in what's going ibis— think, and have a say in what's going on. this is— think, and have a say in what's going on. this is the- think, and have a say in what's going on. t“ r: going on. this is the kind of story that gets lost in the noise. there's always big news about there's always breaking news on yesterday was the prime example net migration example of that net migration numbers drop. and we've got also, you know, there's some person driving a car into downing street. so this stuff gets so gets goes unnoticed, right? so people drafting up some people are now drafting up some kind of plan to put to the w.h.0. to kind of plan to put to the who. to see that that could w.h.o. to see that that could essentially give them the power to put us into lockdown. and we

don't know what's in that plan or under what circumstances they could do that. exactly but straight away, what- t: r:rtr t but straight away, what we're doing is giving— straight away, what we're doing is giving ane— straight away, what we're doing is giving the power of authority to is giving the power of authority ro mem— is giving the power of authority ro rnem .— is giving the power of authority to them . we're— is giving the power of authority to them . we're conceding our to them. we're conceding our pover— to them. we're conceding our power mar— to them. we're conceding our power rnar ir— to them. we're conceding our power that it goes to them and it power that it goes to them and ir viii— power that it goes to them and ir viii be— power that it goes to them and it will be like— power that it goes to them and it will be like a— power that it goes to them and it will be like a majority vote. kni— it will be like a majority vote. one were— it will be like a majority vote. and we're saying,— it will be like a majority vote. and we're saying, no, let's put a brake— and we're saying, no, let's put a brake on— and we're saying, no, let's put a brake on that.— and we're saying, no, let's put a brake on that. let's see what mar— a brake on that. let's see what bar is. — a brake on that. let's see what bar is. rer-s— a brake on that. let's see what that is. let's debate it in the house — that is. let's debate it in the house. because— that is. let's debate it in the house. because first of all, i mean , questions— house. because first of all, i mean , questions will be asked mean, questions will be asked abour— mean, questions will be asked abour me— mean, questions will be asked about the who. _ mean, questions will be asked about the who. people were about the w.h.o. people were saying— about the who. people were saying ir— about the w.h.o. people were saying ir vas— about the who. people were saying it was, you— about the who. people were saying it was, you know, a puppet— saying it was, you know, a pupper or— saying it was, you know, a puppet of china, huge china , to puppet of china, huge china, to son— puppet of china, huge china, to son or— puppet of china, huge china, to sort of influence— puppet of china, huge china, to sort of influence through it. kni— sort of influence through it. one a— sort of influence through it. one a ar— sort of influence through it. one a ar a— sort of influence through it. and a at a time— sort of influence through it. and a at a time when people are guesrioning— and a at a time when people are guesrioning air— and a at a time when people are questioning all of— and a at a time when people are questioning all of the influence of questioning all of the influence or mina— questioning all of the influence or cnina. ir— questioning all of the influence of china, it definitely had it rnrougn— of china, it definitely had it through here.— of china, it definitely had it through here. and remember, this vouii— through here. and remember, this vouii be— through here. and remember, this vouii be non— through here. and remember, this would be then organisation would be then an organisation mar— would be then an organisation rnar nor— would be then an organisation rnar nor oniy— would be then an organisation that not only tells us what to do ro— that not only tells us what to do ro rakes— that not only tells us what to do to takes what— that not only tells us what to do to takes what it wants to do, it's do to takes what it wants to do, its rnen — do to takes what it wants to do, its rnen arso— do to takes what it wants to do, it's then also going to be boring— it's then also going to be reiiing us— it's then also going to be telling us how- it's then also going to be telling us how much money we snouii—inro- telling us how much money we should—into it,- telling us how much money we should into it, which should be putting into it, which is soo— should be putting into it, which is one or— should be putting into it, which is one or your— should be putting into it, which is 5% of your health budget plus . ir-s— is 5% of your health budget plus . ir-s nor— is 5% of your health budget plus . ir-s nor yer— is 5% of your health budget plus , it's not yet decided, but a peroenrage— , it's not yet decided, but a peroenrage or— , it's not yet decided, but a percentage of gdp as well. so nor— percentage of gdp as well. so nor oniy— percentage of gdp as well. so nor oniy boos— percentage of gdp as well. so not only does it— percentage of gdp as well. so not only does it have powers to reki— not only does it have powers to

on us— not only does it have powers to on us unar— not only does it have powers to tell us what it— not only does it have powers to tell us what it has,— not only does it have powers to tell us what it has, we can do, it tell us what it has, we can do, n arso— tell us what it has, we can do, n aiso nas— tell us what it has, we can do, it also has financial powers as veri— it also has financial powers as work. kni— it also has financial powers as well. and what— it also has financial powers as well. and what qualifies? �*vai“tc well. and what qualifies? what nave— well. and what qualifies? what nave ve— well. and what qualifies? what have we looked— well. and what qualifies? what have we looked at— well. and what qualifies? what have we looked at over the course of the last four years or so and thought, that's the reason why we should give the w.h.0. reason why we should give the who. more money and power over w.h.o. more money and power over our lives? why why? well, i don't think there _ our lives? why why? well, i don't think there is- our lives? why why? well, i don't think there is .- our lives? why why? well, i don't think there is. i- t t 7 �*vaity �*vaity7’ well, i don't think there is . i mean, at don't think there is. i mean, at me— don't think there is. i mean, at me momom— don't think there is. i mean, at me momom i— don't think there is. i mean, at the moment, i mean, there's sriii— the moment, i mean, there's still debates.— the moment, i mean, there's still debates. i— the moment, i mean, there's still debates. i mean, we saw cnina— still debates. i mean, we saw cnina nai— still debates. i mean, we saw cnina bag a— still debates. i mean, we saw china had a big— still debates. i mean, we saw china had a big say in w.h.o. we ir— china had a big say in w.h.o. we ir a— china had a big say in w.h.o. we saw was it a wuhan— china had a big say in w.h.o. we saw was it a wuhan leak ? well, saw was it a wuhan leak? well, everybody— saw was it a wuhan leak? well, everyboay vom— saw was it a wuhan leak? well, everybody went to _ saw was it a wuhan leak? well, everybody went to the defence of cnina. — everybody went to the defence of cnina. kouve— everybody went to the defence of china. you've seen— everybody went to the defence of china. you've seen who's the arena— china. you've seen who's the director general— china. you've seen who's the director general was somebody brom— director general was somebody from irniopia— director general was somebody from ethiopia who was put in by cnina. — from ethiopia who was put in by cnina. so— from ethiopia who was put in by china. so what— from ethiopia who was put in by china. so what we're saying is, rook.— china. so what we're saying is, iook. mis— china. so what we're saying is, iook. no is— china. so what we're saying is, look, this is going— china. so what we're saying is, look, this is going too fast and negoriare. — look, this is going too fast and negotiate. nations are now this viii— negotiate. nations are now this viii nave— negotiate. nations are now this will have been— negotiate. nations are now this will have been completed may will have been completed by may merr— will have been completed by may non-inas— will have been completed by may next-that's-fast- next year. that's how fast rnings— next year. that's how fast things-90mg- - next year. that's how fast things going. we're things are going. and we're saying—me- things are going. and we're. saying—the brakes saying, can we put the brakes ono— saying, can we put the brakes om-ve— saying, can we put the brakes om-ve see— saying, can we put the brakes on?-we see arnie- saying, can we put the brakes on? we see arnie in on? can we see arnie in pariiamenr— on? can we see arnie in parliament what it is you're pianning— parliament what it is you're pianning ro— parliament what it is you're planning to give away ? yeah. planning to give away? yeah. roan. — planning to give away? yeah. roan. kni— planning to give away? yeah. yeah. and can— planning to give away? yeah. yeah. and can we negotiate it ani— yeah. and can we negotiate it and srop— yeah. and can we negotiate it and srop ir— yeah. and can we negotiate it and stop it and— yeah. and can we negotiate it and stop it and without people iike— and stop it and without people iike yourseir— and stop it and without people like yourself ,— and stop it and without people like yourself , this would have like yourself, this would have iusr— like yourself, this would have no gone— like yourself, this would have just gone unnoticed . j just gone unnoticed. really, viouiu— just gone unnoticed. really, viouiu ire— just gone unnoticed. really, would it? it— just gone unnoticed. really, would it? it would have just been waved through and we would

have woken up at some point. i mean, there's things mean, there's lots of things people agree with. the people will agree with. the world health ct g the world health authority, they'll say-cooperation's- say the cooperation's right, the rransparenoy— say the cooperation's right, the transparency-right- say the cooperation's right, the transparency right . say the cooperation's right, the transparency right. it say the cooperation's right, the transparency right . it the transparency is right. it the working— transparency is right. it the working together as countries , working together as countries, all working together as countries, ark-vie— working together as countries, air-vie ion-r- working together as countries, all-we don't have- working together as countries, all we don't have a all of that. we don't have a probiem — all of that. we don't have a problem .that. - all of that. we don't have a problem that. and of problem with that. and of course, an advisory body. problem with that. and of cou going an advisory body. problem with that. and of cou going aboveidvisory body. problem with that. and of cou going above and dry body. problem with that. and of cou going above and beyondi. it's going above and beyond mar.— it's going above and beyond rnar. kni— it's going above and beyond man one as— it's going above and beyond that. and as i— it's going above and beyond that. and as i said, this would men— that. and as i said, this would then dictate— that. and as i said, this would then dictate to— that. and as i said, this would then dictate to us— that. and as i said, this would then dictate to us what we'd do. as then dictate to us what we'd do. ks-iookiovn.— then dictate to us what we'd do. as lockdown, vaccine, as i said, lockdown, vaccine, passpons.— as i said, lockdown, vaccine, passports, closing . c as i said, lockdown, vaccine,- passports,-closing . it is passports, border closing. it is very— passports, border closing. it is very easy— passports, border closing. it is very easy ro— passports, border closing. it is very easy so see— passports, border closing. it is very easy to see how- passports, border closing. it is very easy to see how this plays into the hands of people who genuinely believe that there is something much more sinister going would also add to going on. i would also add to that that i think this is a way of our governments devolving responsibility, being able to blame somebody else. so when we were european union, it were in the european union, it was to point the was quite easy to point the finger there and blame them finger over there and blame them for everything. and now, unfortunately, very unfortunately, very unfortunately, since unfortunately, very unfort left ely, since unfortunately, very unfort left the since unfortunately, very unfort left the eu, since unfortunately, very unfort left the eu, we've since unfortunately, very unfort left the eu, we've proven we've left the eu, we've proven to not be particularly great at running some of our own house as well. i just wonder whether or not this might be another way of us going, well, us doing that, of going, well, it's the w.h.0. us doing that, of going, well, it's the who. responsibility. it's not ours, don't want it's not ours, and i don't want that britain. i want us to

that for britain. i want us to be and that's what be in control. and that's what a lot of people wanted. they wanted least lot of people wanted. they wanted-least know. lot of people wanted. they. wanted-least know what lot of people wanted. they- wanted-least know what was wanted to at least know what was nappening. — wanted to at least know what was nappening. ine— wanted to at least know what was happening. the ability to vote out happening. the ability to vote our a— happening. the ability to vote our a ser— happening. the ability to vote our a ser or— happening. the ability to vote out a set of politicians. you out a set of politicians. if you ion-r— out a set of politicians. if you bomb-arbor- out a set of politicians. if you don't-after five- don't like them after five years— don't like them after five years-ve- don't like them after five years,-we don't- don't like them after five years, we don't like you. years, well, we don't like you. vou— years, well, we don't like you. you—weir.- years, well, we don't like you. you—verb ve| you don't move on. well, we oouiin-r— you don't move on. well, we couldn't-this. _ you don't move on. well, we couldn't this. this was couldn't do this. this was in a way,— couldn't do this. this was in a way. an— couldn't do this. this was in a way, an unaccountable body that is-vnen— way, an unaccountable body that is-vnen you- way, an unaccountable body that is-when you have- way, an unaccountable body that is when you have sort is there and when you have sort of is there and when you have sort or maroriry— is there and when you have sort of majority votes. _ is there and when you have sort of majority votes. so actually, bangiaiesn— of majority votes. so actually, bangladesh through bangladesh is putting through quire— bangladesh is putting through quire-or— bangladesh is putting through quite-of these- bangladesh is putting through quite of these rule quite a few of these rule onanges. — quite a few of these rule changes. again which is the, you know.— changes. again which is the, you know. me— changes. again which is the, you knov. me p— changes. again which is the, you know, the fi the— changes. again which is the, you know, the fi the financial onanges. — know, the fi the financial onanges. so — know, the fi the financial changes. so i— know, the fi the financial changes. so i think you're igno— changes. so i think you're rignr. beopie— changes. so i think you're right. people are handing over responsibiiiry— right. people are handing over responsibility to— right. people are handing over responsibility to other people. viii— responsibility to other people. viiii ve — responsibility to other people. will we don't— responsibility to other people. will we don't want that. and as pariiamenr— will we don't want that. and as parliament says,— will we don't want that. and as parliament says, we don't want mar.— parliament says, we don't want rnar. ibis— parliament says, we don't want rnar. no is— parliament says, we don't want that. this is our— parliament says, we don't want that. this is our job to scrutinise— that. this is our job to scrutinise these changes . t“ scrutinise these changes. this is be— scrutinise these changes. this is be kind— scrutinise these changes. this is the kind of— scrutinise these changes. this is the kind of thing that the pubuc is the kind of thing that the public should have a vote on, is it not? if whether or not we devolve responsibility for all the major calls on our personal freedoms and the way that we organise and orchestrate health issues in this country? i think the british public should have a vote on whether or not we decide to keep that in house. i think

there's a vote and— t“ ithink there's a vote and there's also run— there's a vote and there's also full transparency— there's a vote and there's also full transparency people want so us as-you-ii— full transparency people want so us as-you'll know- full transparency people want so us as you'll know we've got us as mps you'll know we've got to us as mps you'll know we've got ro ieoiare— us as mps you'll know we've got to declare our— us as mps you'll know we've got to declare our interest so you-ii— to declare our interest so you-ii know— to declare our interest so you'll know all- to declare our interest so you'll know all about us. i mink— you'll know all about us. i think that's— you'll know all about us. i think that's important . so we think that's important. so we vam— think that's important. so we vanr ro— think that's important. so we vanr ro nave— think that's important. so we want to have control and we want to want to have control and we want ro know— want to have control and we want ro knov vnar-s— want to have control and we want to know what's going on. so who is fuming— to know what's going on. so who is funding-who?- to know what's going on. so who is funding w.h.o? who does is funding the w.h.o? who does nave— is funding the who? who does have significant— is funding the who? who does have significant on it now? have significant say on it now? kni— have significant say on it now? one i— have significant say on it now? one i mink— have significant say on it now? and i think it's— have significant say on it now? and i think it's those influencers- and i think it's those influencers which feed into this son— influencers which feed into this son or— influencers which feed into this sort of sinister— influencers which feed into this sort of sinister conspiracy. wnarever— sort of sinister conspiracy. whatever you— sort of sinister conspiracy. whatever you are, think , you whatever you are, think, you know.— whatever you are, think, you know. mis— whatever you are, think, you know. no is— whatever you are, think, you know, this is what we want to uniorsbami— know, this is what we want to understand. so— know, this is what we want to understand. so we're a group of iris— understand. so we're a group of iiirs saying.— understand. so we're a group of iiirs saying. io— understand. so we're a group of mps saying, do you know what mis— mps saying, do you know what no is— mps saying, do you know what no is our— mps saying, do you know what this is our job?— mps saying, do you know what this is our job? yes. to scrutinise— this is our job? yes. to scrutinise legislation. and before— scrutinise legislation. and before negotiate something, before you negotiate something, rer-s— before you negotiate something, ier-s see— before you negotiate something, ier-s unar— before you negotiate something, let's see what you're negotiating - let's see what you're negotiating and let's see on the floor— negotiating and let's see on the floor or— negotiating and let's see on the floor or me— negotiating and let's see on the floor of the house— negotiating and let's see on the floor of the house if this is vnar— floor of the house if this is vnar peopie— floor of the house if this is what people want. completely reasonable. thank you very, very much. great to have you on the show. i'll be tuning in show. and i'll be tuning in tomorrow as for joining tomorrow as well as for joining me now, get your views coming in gb views gb news .com loads gb views or gb news .com loads more between now and more to come between now and 5:00 after four people were jailed following murder of jailed following the murder of two babies. we will be debating whether people who kill children should face the death penalty.

it's question that you all it's a question that you all email in about whenever a situation like is happening. unfortunately it to be unfortunately it seems to be happening more and more regularly, your regularly, but first, it's your headunes regularly, but first, it's your headlines rory . gerrish headlines with rory. gerrish patrick, a man has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob lennon . jake month old jacob lennon. jake drummond, the partner- jake drummond, the partner of the robbers— drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother,— drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother, was jailed borrowing— toddler's mother, was jailed roiioving a— toddler's mother, was jailed following a campaign of cruel ani— following a campaign of cruel and sadistic— following a campaign of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy suffered— and sadistic abuse. the boy suffered multiple injuries over arnree— suffered multiple injuries over arnree week— suffered multiple injuries over a three week period in 2019. the viorim-s— a three week period in 2019. the victim's mother,— a three week period in 2019. the victim's mother, louise lennon, iaiiei— victim's mother, louise lennon, raiiei bor— victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten— victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten years for aiioving— was jailed for ten years for allowing jacob's death in other me— allowing jacob's death in other news, the parents— allowing jacob's death in other news, the parents of a ten month old news, the parents of a ten month oii boy— news, the parents of a ten month oii boy vno— news, the parents of a ten month old boy who murdered him on cnrisrmas— old boy who murdered him on christmas day— old boy who murdered him on christmas day in— old boy who murdered him on christmas day in 2020 have been taken— christmas day in 2020 have been iaiiei bor— christmas day in 2020 have been raiiei for ine— christmas day in 2020 have been raiiea for iire .— christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for life . his— christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for life . his mother, jailed for life. his mother, snannon— jailed for life. his mother, shannon marsden, was given a minimum— shannon marsden, was given a or— shannon marsden, was given a or zi— shannon marsden, was given a minimum of 27 years whilst his barber.— minimum of 27 years whilst his father, steven— minimum of 27 years whilst his father, steven boden, was given a — father, steven boden, was given a or— father, steven boden, was given a minimum of 29— father, steven boden, was given a minimum of 29 years. the baby

raken— a minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into— a minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care— a minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care shortly anor— was taken into care shortly arbor binn— was taken into care shortly after birth due— was taken into care shortly after birth due to child protection— after birth due to child protection concerns, but he was but— protection concerns, but he was pur bask— protection concerns, but he was pur bask inro— protection concerns, but he was put back into his— protection concerns, but he was put back into his parents care iusr— put back into his parents care iusr so— put back into his parents care no so gays— put back into his parents care just 39 days before he died, pope— just 39 days before he died, oope rranois— just 39 days before he died, pope francis has skipped moorings— pope francis has skipped meetings today because of a fever— meetings today because of a fever .— meetings today because of a fever . ine— meetings today because of a fever . the vatican hasn't fever. the vatican hasn't provided— fever. the vatican hasn't provided any— fever. the vatican hasn't provided any further details on the provided any further details on me so— provided any further details on me so yea— provided any further details on the 86 year old's_ provided any further details on the 86 year old's health, but nas— the 86 year old's health, but nas said— the 86 year old's health, but nas said no— the 86 year old's health, but has said he didn't receive ayoe— has said he didn't receive ayoe in— has said he didn't receive anyone in audiences this morning.— anyone in audiences this morning. well, it comes after he spenr— morning. well, it comes after he spenr rive— morning. well, it comes after he spenr rive gays— morning. well, it comes after he spent five days in— morning. well, it comes after he spent five days in hospital at the spent five days in hospital at me eni— spent five days in hospital at me one or— spent five days in hospital at the end of march. that was for brononiris— the end of march. that was for bronchitis but— the end of march. that was for bronchitis but quickly recovered roiioving— bronchitis but quickly recovered roiioving a— bronchitis but quickly recovered following a course of antibiotics- following a course of antibiotics .- following a course of antibiotics . actor hugh grant's antibiotics. actor hugh grant's damages— antibiotics. actor hugh grant's damages claim _ antibiotics. actor hugh grant's damages claim against the sun viii— damages claim against the sun viii go— damages claim against the sun viii go ro— damages claim against the sun will go to trial— damages claim against the sun will go to trial following a ruiing— will go to trial following a ruiing by— will go to trial following a ruiing by ane— will go to trial following a ruling by the high court judge . ruling by the high court judge. he ruling by the high court judge. ne nas— ruling by the high court judge. he has accused— ruling by the high court judge. he has accused the publisher of uniavrui— he has accused the publisher of unlawful information gathering. he unlawful information gathering. no aiieges— unlawful information gathering. no aiieges me— unlawful information gathering. he alleges the paper sent privare— he alleges the paper sent private investigators to break inro— private investigators to break inro bis— private investigators to break into his home— private investigators to break into his home and steal personal imormarion— into his home and steal personal imormarion .— into his home and steal personal information , as— into his home and steal personal information , as well as putting information, as well as putting iisrening— information, as well as putting listening devices— information, as well as putting listening devices in his home ani— listening devices in his home and in— listening devices in his home and in bis— listening devices in his home and in his car— listening devices in his home and in his car as— listening devices in his home and in his car as well. the pubiisner— and in his car as well. the publisher has— and in his car as well. the publisher has denied all allegations— publisher has denied all allegations .— publisher has denied all allegations . and in the last

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whenever cases like this arise . whenever cases like this arise. the question of the death penalty always also arises with it doesn't say whether or not the death penalty for child killers is something that should be brought back and i thought, let's discuss it. so i'm joined by the barrister, chris daw and gb news, very own presenter michelle dewberry. both of you, thank you very, very much. chris. i'll start with you. do you think we should have the death penalty for child killers ? no, we shouldn't have the beam— ? no, we shouldn't have the beam penairy— ? no, we shouldn't have the death penalty for— 7’ no, we shouldn't have the death penalty for anyone. c death penalty for anyone. it's somebbing— death penalty for anyone. it's something that's— death penalty for anyone. it's something that's a— death penalty for anyone. it's something that's a relic from 3000 years ago and even longer. i think the real question is how do we learn from these tragedies to stop them happening again? and i can guarantee you from 30 years of experience of criminal law that bringing in the death penalty for the killers will not stop killings in the stop further killings in the future it never has and future because it never has and it never does. michelle, i'll bring— it never does. michelle, i'll bring you— it never does. michelle, i'll bring you in— it never does. michelle, i'll bring you in now- it never does. michelle, i'll bring you in now on- c : michelle, i'll bring you in now on that then. bean.— bring you in now on that then. bean. i— bring you in now on that then. yeah, i completely disagree. i absoiubeiy— yeah, i completely disagree. i

absolutely-it's- yeah, i completely disagree. i absolutely-it's time- yeah, i completely disagree. i absolutely-it's time to l yeah, i completely disagree. ii absolutely-it's time to at absolutely think it's time to at least review this. least certainly review this. i would put it out would probably put it out to a referendum, quite frankly. this whole notion that you would apply whole notion that you would apply kind capital apply my kind of capital punishment, death penalty to punishment, the death penalty to somebody deterrent to somebody as a deterrent to somebody as a deterrent to somebody doesn't really somebody else doesn't really wash . would the wash with me. i would apply the death penalty for the simple fact that actually , if you have fact that actually, if you have it in you to torture her, you know, grossly abuse these children sometimes, by the way , children sometimes, by the way, your own child for a mother particularly, to be able to give birth to a child and to treat their child like that. for me, there is zero even chance of redemption. you cannot come back. you cannot rehabilitate a person like that . so in the person like that. so in the cases where it is beyond any reasonable doubt , where you have reasonable doubt, where you have got conclusive evidence backed up got conclusive evidence backed ”p by got conclusive evidence backed up by whatever means necessary dna, whatever it is, then in those cases where absolutely categorically you are guilty , categorically you are guilty, you have tortured and murdered your child, then why on earth would we not consider the death penalty? one of the big argumenbs— 7’ one of the big arguments against the death penairy— arguments against the death penairy. omis— arguments against the death penalty, chris, of course, is

misoarriaesg— penalty, chris, of course, is miscarriages of— penalty, chris, of course, is miscarriages of justice in absoiubeiy— miscarriages of justice in absolutely nailed on cases. then bnab— absolutely nailed on cases. then bnab vouiin-b— absolutely nailed on cases. then that wouldn't-the— absolutely nailed on cases. then that wouldn't the case. that wouldn't be the case. i suppose— that wouldn't be the case. i suppose bnab-s— that wouldn't be the case. i suppose that's out the window. i suppose.— suppose that's out the window. i suppose. as— suppose that's out the window. i suppose, as michelle was aiiuiing— suppose, as michelle was abusing-as- suppose, as michelle was alluding as well. alluding to there as well. inere-s— alluding to there as well. inere-s no— alluding to there as well. there's no rehabilitation, in my view— there's no rehabilitation, in my vibn— there's no rehabilitation, in my view, with-people. - view, with these people. why vouii—bo- view, with these people. why vouii—bo bryl view, with these people. whyj would _to try or view, with these people. why- would _to try or why would we even want to try or why vouii— would we even want to try or why vouii ve— would we even want to try or why vouii ve vam— would we even want to try or why would we want-have- would we even want to try or why would we want have the would we want to have the binanoiai— would we want to have the financial burden of whatever it oosbs— financial burden of whatever it oosbs-singie— financial burden of whatever it| costs-single-keep costs every single year to keep bnese— costs every single year to keep nose—prisons- costs every single year to keep these—prison? is. costs every single year to keep these—prison? is it| these monsters in prison? is it nob— these monsters in prison? is it nob iusb— these monsters in prison? is it not just better— these monsters in prison? is it not just better execute them? not just better to execute them? no, not just better to execute them? bo-knov— not just better to execute them? bo-knov ib— not just better to execute them? no,-know if michelle- no, i don't know if michelle knows about these knows anything about these people all. in making these people at all. in making these ruagemenbs. — people at all. in making these ruagemenbs. i— people at all. in making these judgements. i wonder- in making these judgements. : .jr�*j. rt. judgements. i wonder michelle would you that to someone would you apply that to someone with illness? with severe mental illness? would apply it to someone would you apply it to someone vim— would you apply it to someone vim-sob— would you apply it to someone with -70.7 literally- with an iq of 70? literally ayoe— with an iq of 70? literally anyone-killed- with an iq of 70? literally anyone-killed a- with an iq of 70? literally anyone killed a child? anyone that killed a child? vibere-s— anyone that killed a child? where's-limit?- anyone that killed a child? where's-limit? i've- anyone that killed a child? where's-limit? i've gotl where's your limit? i've got to be . i find it quite be honest. i find it quite interesting that your first go to point is terms of mental to point is in terms of mental health all the rest health issues and all the rest of it, because in the case we've just heard today, you'll be, of course, familiar fact course, familiar with the fact that they things their that they want things like their age a age to be considered as a mitigating circumstance. the fact that this lady today that we issue 20. i'm we had issue about 20. well, i'm sorry, but you know that torturing your own is torturing your own child is wrong the well, wrong from the very well, i would the day you give would say from the day you give birth. you don't, there birth. and if you don't, there is wrong with you

is something wrong with you quite are you going to quite frankly. are you going to eveoueb — quite frankly. are you going to eveoueb peopie— quite frankly. are you going to execute people with— r: are you going to execute people with severe psyonosis.— execute people with severe. psychosis, _ health psychosis, with mental health probiemsb — psychosis, with mental health. problems? _learning problems? could i just learning difficulties going to difficulties. are you going to ekeoueb— difficulties. are you going to execute - michelle? - difficulties. are you going to execute - michelle? i difficulties. are you going to- execute - michelle? rather execute them, michelle? rather aban— execute them, michelle? rather bban iasb— execute them, michelle? rather than just blabbing on about punishment and revenge, talking about. hang patrick. so to about. hang on, patrick. so to answer-directly,- about. hang on, patrick. so to answer- directly, to- hang on, patrick. so to answer directly, to answer answer you directly, to answer you— answer you directly, to answer you rireobiy— answer you directly, to answer you directly, you've answered answer you directly, to answer you cyou've you've answered answer you directly, to answer you cyou've askedz answered answer you directly, to answer you cyou've asked meswered answer you directly, to answer you cyou've asked me alered answer you directly, to answer you cyou've asked me a direct what you've asked me a direct guesbion— what you've asked me a direct guesbion. ib— what you've asked me a direct question. if someone's got i ion-b— question. if someone's got i bomb-a— question. if someone's got i don't a postpartum don't know, a postpartum psyonosis— don't know, a postpartum psychosis something don't know, a postpartum psychosis-something that psychosis or something like that vnion— psychosis or something like that which-provable,— psychosis or something like that which provable, demonstrable. psychosis or something like that whicthat provable, demonstrable. psychosis or something like that whicthat isivable, demonstrable. psychosis or something like that whicthat is why e, demonstrable. psychosis or something like that whicthat is why e, de havetrable. psychosis or something like that whicthat is why e, de have acted and that is why they have acted bnab— and that is why they have acted bnab-bnen— and that is why they have acted bnab-bnen no.— and that is why they have acted that-then no, of- and that is why they have acted that then no, of course that way, then no, of course nob. — that way, then no, of course nor—i— that way, then no, of course nor—i io- that way, then no, of course not._| do that. that way, then n0, of coursel not—i do that 7 that way, then n0, of course- not._| do that 7 not not. why would i do that? not any— not. why would i do that? not any other— not. why would i do that? not any other form _ not. why would i do that? not any other form of— not. why would i do that? not any other form of illness, but such as severe chronic long term drug addiction, which is not someone's interesting point. do you think it is? but that's so that's an interesting point because that played a key role in at least one of these horrific incidents that we we're talking about today, which was long around that. why are people addicted— long around that. why are people addicted to— long around that. why are people addicted to drugs? _ long around that. why are people addicted to drugs? why- dzv�*g : why are people addicted to drugs? �*fdy at; addicted to drugs? why are people— addicted to drugs? why are peopde dd— addicted to drugs? why are people in this situation? because we have a ludicrous people in this situation? - because we have a ludicrous law on of— because we have a ludicrous law on misuse of drugs,— because we have a ludicrous law on misuse of drugs, which has had— on misuse of drugs, which has had for— on misuse of drugs, which has had for so— on misuse of drugs, which has had for 50 years. _ on misuse of drugs, which has had for 50 years. and that's responsdde— had for 50 years. and that's responsible for— had for 50 years. and that's responsible for every one of dese— responsible for every one of deee — responsible for every one of these cases. yes.- responsible for every one of these cases. yes. okay chris, could— these cases. yes. okay chris, cedd .— these cases. yes. okay chris, cedd udd— these cases. yes. okay chris, could i just just ask you on

this, because i know that in your capacity, obviously as a barrister, you are skilled at making and i do think making arguments. and i do think that there's quite a bit of deflection taking place here, which i don't want to which is that i don't want to get dragged into the notion of whether not or not whether or not whether or not know not we should know whether or not we should know whether or not we should know or we should know whether or not we should legalise and just get legalise drug use and just get you with a question. now, you back with a question. now, chris, possibly, chris, why do you about you care more about the rehabilitation drug addicts you care more about the rehalyountion drug addicts you care more about the rehalyou do�*i drug addicts you care more about the rehalyou do�*i drdead dicts you care more about the rehalyou do�*i drdead kids and than you do about dead kids and getting justice for that's getting justice for them? that's nonsense. so getting justice for them? that's nonsense . so what i care about nonsense. so what i care about is redeeme— nonsense. so what i care about is reducing dee— so what i care about is reducing the number of kids whe— is reducing the number of kids who get— is reducing the number of kids who get murdered. and you don't do ded— who get murdered. and you don't do dd wide— who get murdered. and you don't do that with the— who get murdered. and you don't do that with the death penalty. go do that with the death penalty. ed to — do that with the death penalty. go to america,— do that with the death penalty. go to america, see— do that with the death penalty. go to america, see how- do that with the death penalty. go to america, see how many people they execute and see how many are murdered. many children are murdered. it's a lot more than we a hell of a lot more than we have here. so can i progress your— have here. so can i progress your deeded— “in; so can i progress your thought process “did; so can i progress your thought process then? so wed—me- your thought process then? so eded—me de- your thought process then? so what—me is if. what you're telling me is if dere— what you're telling me is if dereld— what you're telling me is if there a situation where there is a situation where somebody— there is a situation where eemededy de— there is a situation where somebody is not control of somebody is not in control of deer— somebody is not in control of their faculties, _ somebody is not in control of their faculties, whether it a their faculties, whether it is a meme— their faculties, whether it is a mental-issue,- their faculties, whether it is a mental-issue, an- mental health issue, an ddddeden— mental health issue, an addiction problem whatever, addiction problem or whatever, the-end— addiction problem or whatever, the-deduced- addiction problem or whatever,| the-and.can agree the excuse is, and we can agree to the excuse is, and we can agree tee-en— the excuse is, and we can agree de-en dese— the excuse is, and we can agree to on those excuses. to disagree on those excuses. ed— to disagree on those excuses. dud-deede— to disagree on those excuses. but-logic, then- to disagree on those excuses. but logic, then hold on. but by your logic, then hold on. let but by your logic, then hold on. led-dee— but by your logic, then hold on. led-eee you— but by your logic, then hold on. let ask you question. let me ask you the question. edeeee. — let me ask you the question. please. -finished- let me ask you the question. please. finished by please. ain't finished yet. by your— please. ain't finished yet. by your deede—

please. ain't finished yet. by your degde d— please. ain't finished yet. by your logic, if someone is in centred— your logic, if someone is in eeettet et— your logic, if someone is in control of their— your logic, if someone is in control of their thoughts and then— control of their thoughts and then they— control of their thoughts and then they torture and kill their etttd— then they torture and kill their etttd ,— then they torture and kill their etttd , wedd— then they torture and kill their child , would you— then they torture and kill their child , would you be in favour of child, would you be in favour of the deed— child, would you be in favour of the death penalty— child, would you be in favour of the death penalty then? absolutely— the death penalty then? absolutely not, because the deed— absolutely not, because the death pendtty— absolutely not, because the death penalty fundamental uttere— death penalty fundamental utterly increases the amount of edme— utterly increases the amount of end— utterly increases the amount of crime and violence in the eeetettee— crime and violence in the societies that— crime and violence in the societies that practise it. ' "g societies that practise it. any seeded— societies that practise it. any sedety thet— societies that practise it. any society that has— societies that practise it. any society that has the- societies that practise it. any society that has the death penalty has higher levels of violence higher levels violence and higher levels of murder don't know if you've murder. i don't know if you've ever any of this, michelle, ever read any of this, michelle, if you know anything about criminal maybe. chris criminal justice, maybe. chris there also a moral criminal justice, maybe. chris there-also a moral point,l there is also a moral point, deeded,— there is also a moral point, though,-there? i there is also a moral point,- though,-there? but though, here, isn't there? but why— though, here, isn't there? but why-going— though, here, isn't there? but why-going-whvl though, here, isn't there? but. why-going-whv are why are we going down? why are we looking this about the we looking at this about the impact the death penalty on impact of the death penalty on an other on other an individual, on other on other crimes ? i'm talking about crimes? i'm not talking about that. coming from this that. i'm not coming from this from perspective deterring from a perspective of deterring someone this someone else, acting in this horrendous way . what i'm talking horrendous way. what i'm talking about isolation is the death about in isolation is the death penalty as consequence , as penalty as a consequence, as a punishment to that single individual. you're extrapolating it up and looking at it as a consequence, ice on the impacts of other people . i'm not talking of other people. i'm not talking about that . so your position is about that. so your position is eneanceg te— about that. so your position is vengeance is the— about that. so your position is vengeance is the most- so your position is vengeance is the most important tntnd— vengeance is the most important tntnd ,— vengeance is the most important tntnd , eve— vengeance is the most important tntng , tt— vengeance is the most important thing , even if that— vengeance is the most important thing , even if that vengeance thing, even if that vengeance

causes more crime and more deaths.— causes more crime and more deaths. .— causes more crime and more deaths. . den-t— causes more crime and more deaths. i don't understand. i den-t— deaths. i don't understand. i den-t regard— deaths. i don't understand. i don't regard the— deaths. i don't understand. i don't regard the death- deaths. i don't understand. i don't regard the death penalty as vengeance. i see it as a form of punishment. i see i don't see the death penalty as a vengeance. i see it as a form of punishment. i find it quite a cost effective punishment, actually. the way, you actually. and by the way, you could even throw this out to the relatives of victim let relatives of the victim and let the relatives that victim to the relatives of that victim to decide. they think that that decide. do they think that that would appropriate and let would be an appropriate and let everybody the village throw everybody in the village throw fruit people commit fruit at people that commit crimes? that's a good idea tatter— crimes? that's a good idea rather-tact— rather than just having a tatanced— rather than just having a tatanced ,— rather than just having a balanced , justice system balanced, fair justice system that— balanced, fair justice system i that—tndgec that allows independent judges to that allows independent judges tea-att— that allows independent judges tc-att tne— that allows independent judges to-all the facts,- that allows independent judges to all the facts, apply to look at all the facts, apply the— to look at all the facts, apply the evidence— to look at all the facts, apply the evidence decide the best the evidence to decide the best sentence-let's— the evidence to decide the best sentence. let's have an sentence. let's let's have an catntcn— sentence. let's let's have an opinion pett— sentence. let's let's have an opinion poll-the- sentence. let's let's have an opinion poll the death opinion poll on the death penattv. — opinion poll on the death penattv. ent— opinion poll on the death penalty. but that's just been that-c— penalty. but that's just been teats-vne- penalty. but that's just been that's wise system of that's a really wise system of and— that's a really wise system of and-cvctecn— that's a really wise system of and-system of— that's a really wise system of and system of just this in and fair system of just this in any— and fair system of just this in any ccctetv. — and fair system of just this in any society. chris— and fair system of just this in any society. chris well, ttvcttv— any society. chris well, firstly, firstly, - any society. chris well, firstly, firstly, i think you've teen— firstly, firstly, i think you've been a— firstly, firstly, i think you've been a at— firstly, firstly, i think you've been a bit silly. i'm not talking about people talking strawberries the local strawberries in the local town centre firstly, would centre. firstly, i would actually favour i would actually be in favour. i would hang on, i would be in favour of having a referendum about introducing capital punishment as a potential sentencing option. yes go on, chris peter

murrell to kill people killing people is utterly amoral and the society paying people to murder on its behalf is about as amoral as it gets because there's no excuse for grown up civilised individuals. there are excuses and— individuals. there are excuses and explanations— individuals. there are excuses and explanations for- , there are excuses and explanations for some neede— and explanations for some pecpte, tat— and explanations for some people, but not- and explanations for some people, but not if a society cncccec— people, but not if a society cncccec te— people, but not if a society chooses to become a murderer. as a ccctetv. — chooses to become a murderer. as a ccctetv. nat— chooses to become a murderer. as a society. but then— chooses to become a murderer. as a society. but then i— chooses to become a murderer. as a society. but then i and many decade— a society. but then i and many pecpte den-t— a society. but then i and many people don't share your moral cecnaccn— people don't share your moral cecnaccp . .— people don't share your moral compass . i don't— people don't share your moral compass. c c compass. i don't think it is abhorrent morally to terminate the life of an adult who was tortured, a child . and i don't. tortured, a child. and i don't. and so , chris, quite clearly, and so, chris, quite clearly, vou— and so, chris, quite clearly, ven den-t— and so, chris, quite clearly, you don't think— and so, chris, quite clearly, you don't think there are any circumstances— you don't think there are any circumstances whatsoever in vntcn— circumstances whatsoever in watch the — circumstances whatsoever in which the death— circumstances whatsoever in which the death penalty is fair tncttce— which the death penalty is fair justicev even— which the death penalty is fair justice, even for— which the death penalty is fair justice, even for somebody who cannet— justice, even for somebody who cannet te— justice, even for somebody who cannot be rehabilitated, is an atcetnte— cannot be rehabilitated, is an absolute monstrous than the most nncneatatte. — absolute monstrous than the most unspeakable. it's— absolute monstrous than the most unspeakable. it's not about fair tncttce. — unspeakable. it's not about fair justice. that's— unspeakable. it's not about fair justice. that's not— unspeakable. it's not about fair justice. that's not the- unspeakable. it's not about fair justice. that's not the issue. the issue is twofold. one, what is the moral rights and wrongs of knowingly taking a life ? for of knowingly taking a life? for me, that's wrong. unless it's in self—defence, unless it's a necessity. that's the key point

of difference, isn't it? and yeah, life without- t: “intuit; c fl and yeah, life without thinking attent— yeah, life without thinking about what— yeah, life without thinking about what the consequences are. tttcnette— about what the consequences are. michelle suggests— about what the consequences are. michelle suggests a— about what the consequences are. michelle suggests a key— about what the consequences are. michelle suggests a key point of difference, isn't it? i get it. and that's the _ difference, isn't it? i get it. and that's the crucial- t: “intuit; c fl i get it. and that's the crucial aspect of tate— and that's the crucial aspect of the decade — and that's the crucial aspect of this, though. because because neede— this, though. because because some people would say that there are some crimes— some people would say that there are some crimes for— some people would say that there are some crimes for which they tnecncetvec— are some crimes for which they themselves morally can justify sayingv— themselves morally can justify savingv t-d— themselves morally can justify saying, i'd execute this person. ether— saying, i'd execute this person. other peepte— saying, i'd execute this person. other people would say , no, it's other people would say, no, it's a tad— other people would say, no, it's a had and— other people would say, no, it's a hard and fast.— other people would say, no, it's a hard and fast. but is that what— a hard and fast. but is that what env— a hard and fast. but is that what our justice— a hard and fast. but is that what our justice system comes to 7 what our justice system comes to e nevn — what our justice system comes to ? down morality— what our justice system comes to ? down morality of— what our justice system comes to ? down ti.t:i; what our justice system comes to ? down cat ti.t:i; " ? down morality of justice in murder cases have been going on for centuries and there's no such thing as 100% nailed on case, as you suggest . there is case, as you suggest. there is no such . we're going to have to no such. we're going to have to eat— no such. we're going to have to eat tt— no such. we're going to have to pat tt teete— no such. we're going to have to park it there for— no such. we're going to have to park it there for you. _ sti. we're going to have to park it there for you. chris, i dtd— park it there for you. chris, i dtd dtve— park it there for you. chris, i dtd gtve tne— park it there for you. chris, i did give the first— park it there for you. chris, i did give the first one to you. so michelle,— did give the first one to you. so michelle, i'll— did give the first one to you. so michelle, i'll just let you ctece— so michelle, i'll just let you ctece and— so michelle, i'll just let you close and then— so michelle, i'll just let you close and then we'll wrap it up. go close and then we'll wrap it up. ce — close and then we'll wrap it up. ce vett— close and then we'll wrap it up. go on. well, look,— close and then we'll wrap it up. go on. well, look, i'll put it ttnnttv. — go on. well, look, i'll put it ttnnttv. tt— go on. well, look, i'll put it bluntly. �*" itiit: go on. well, look, i'll put it- bluntly. if someone tortured my child and it was proved beyond any form of doubt, then i would be absolutely perfectly comfortable that person be absolutely perfectly comfortheir that person be absolutely perfectly comfortheir life that person be absolutely perfectly comfortheir life takenperson having their life taken away from as well. okay. look, from them as well. okay. look, both you, thank from them as well. okay. look, both .you, thank you - from them as well. okay. look, both-you, thank you very- both of you, thank you very much. — both of you, thank you very much. nev— both of you, thank you very much. hey,.was- both of you, thank you very much. hey, was right. much. hey, it was all right. etav. — much. hey, it was all right. etav. -detnd-te okay. we're going to have to eat— okay. we're going to have to

eat t.— okay. we're going to have to pat ttldetnd— okay. we're going to have to park it.-going to- okay. we're going to have to park it. going to get park it. i'm going to get cheated— park it. i'm going to get shouted out— park it. i'm going to get shouted out in- park it. i'm going to get shouted out in a minute. and so are shouted out in a minute. and so vouc— shouted out in a minute. and so yout cnne.— shouted out in a minute. and so are you, chris. do— shouted out in a minute. and so are you, chris. do all those. eantctev— are you, chris. do all those. barrister thank— are you, chris. do all those. barrister thank you very much. on barrister thank you very much. en-tvecentev- barrister thank you very much. on presenter michelle on gb news. presenter michelle dewberry-— on gb news. presenter michelle devtenv-te— on gb news. presenter michelle devtenv-te-en- dewberry. he'll be back on a ttttte— dewberry. he'll be back on a ttttte att— dewberry. he'll be back on a little bit-on.— dewberry. he'll be back on a little bit-on. say- dewberry. he'll be back on a little bit on. say what little bit later on. say what cne-c— little bit later on. say what cne-c-cecntnd- little bit later on. say what she's coming up. thank she's got coming up. thank you, tttctette— michelle. great stuff. okay. retent— michelle. great stuff. okay. dent—ntn- michelle. great stuff. okay.| right—with your right get in touch with your cn— right get in touch with your views. gb views— right get in touch with your views. gb views gb right get in touch with your views. gb views-gb .com. views. gb views at gb news .com. big views. gb views at gb news .com. etd detate. — views. gb views at gb news .com. big debate. that— views. gb views at gb news .com. big debate. that big— views. gb views at gb news .com. big debate. that big discussion. nev— big debate. that big discussion. new neve— big debate. that big discussion. new here te— big debate. that big discussion. now here is subject though, now here is a subject though, that—nv- now here is a subject though,| that—my neat. that is very close to my heart. apparenttv— that is very close to my heart. apparently-sunak- that is very close to my heart. apparently sunak thinks apparently rishi sunak thinks- cnveetven—d more northerners should be given a tntettteed— more northerners should be given a knighthood. yes,— more northerners should be given a knighthood. yes, that's right. let a knighthood. yes, that's right. tet-tnev— a knighthood. yes, that's right. let-know what— a knighthood. yes, that's right. let know what think. let me know what you think. all dent. — let me know what you think. all right. _ridiculous- right. there's a ridiculous necta— right. there's a ridiculous nevtn—vnenl right. there's a ridiculousi north—when it right. there's a ridiculous- north _when it comes north south divide when it comes to north south divide when it comes te-tetnd— north south divide when it comes te-tetnd etven— north south divide when it comes to being given naiads. to people being given naiads. ten— to people being given naiads. t-cn ctct— to people being given naiads. t-cn ctct et— to people being given naiads. i'm sick of these— to people being given naiads. i'm sick of these southerners eetttnd— i'm sick of these southerners eetttnd-ndnte- i'm sick of these southerners getting right? it's getting owls. all right? it's tene— getting owls. all right? it's ttcne that— getting owls. all right? it's time that someone knighted me. do time that someone knighted me. tee—extenti do you know, to a lesser extent, someone as-as you- do you know, to a lesser extent, someone as as you know, someone as great as you know, alan— someone as great as you know, atan tanne— someone as great as you know, alan turing someone like alan turing was or someone like tnate— alan turing was or someone like tnate-net. — alan turing was or someone like that?-not. liam - that? definitely not. liam cattadnen — that? definitely not. liami gallagher. _i'm gallagher. no, please. i'm tatnct— gallagher. no, please. i'm patrick christys- gallagher. no, please. i'm patrick christys on gb news entatn-c— patrick christys on gb news tenant-.—

news news. lotav- news news. i okay, so i news news. okay, so welcome back, everybody. now, in the next hour , i will speak to a just stop oil activist after it emerged that it cost the met police £35 million that it cost the met police £3.5 million in just over a month to cover the protest. and today they apparently stopped somebody who trying to get who was trying to get to a hospital appointment, to hospital appointment, but to a story really interests me, story that really interests me, apparently sunak wants apparently rishi sunak wants more northerners to get knighthoods and other top awards. it's said that in the last honours list, people from london got 21% of the award. but only i3% of the population actually live in the capital. i am joined now by broadcast

journalist proud northerner. it's mike parry. mike, thank you very , very much. why should we. very, very much. why should we. knight more northerners ? well, knight more northerners? well, patrick, thank you very- g , well, patrick, thank you very much for tnvtttnd— patrick, thank you very much for tnvtttnd cne— patrick, thank you very much for tnvtttne cne en— patrick, thank you very much for inviting me on your show and etvtnd— inviting me on your show and giving cne— inviting me on your show and giving cne tne— inviting me on your show and giving me the opportunity motty to giving me the opportunity motty te ctnd— giving me the opportunity motty te end a— giving me the opportunity motty te ctne a send— giving me the opportunity motty to sing a song for— giving me the opportunity motty to sing a song for the north of tndtand. — to sing a song for the north of england- otav— to sing a song for the north of england. okay . i- to sing a song for the north of england. cite/cog i was to sing a song for the north of england. i was born to sing a song for the north of england. cite/cog i was born and england. okay. i was born and tenant— england. okay. i was born and tenant nn— england. okay. i was born and tenant up tn— england. cite/cog i was born and brought up in chester. england. i was born and brought up in chester. that's the north—west— brought up in chester. that's the north—west of england , that the north—west of england, that massive merseyside belt and into manchester up to the lake district and all that. and you've got to t i. a�*t: and you've got to remember j i. a�*t: and you've got to remember bucha district and all that. and- you've got to remember bucha and i you've got to remember bucha and tvant— you've got to remember bucha and tvant. ven— you've got to remember bucha and t vant. ven knew.— you've got to remember bucha and i want, you know, people to put tate— i want, you know, people to put tats-then— i want, you know, people to put this-their head. - i want, you know, people to put this their head. this into their head. the north of england created this country . there aren't any town halls in cities and villages in the south of england, and that's because the industrial revolution, which made this country great, started , developed and went out around the world in the north of england, the dark satanic mills of lancashire created this great country that we're in. but we get no representation- ti.ti:t. it; " but we

get no representation now because— get no representation now because twe— get no representation now because two thirds of the pepntatten— because two thirds of the population lives in a line between— population lives in a line between the _ population lives in a line between the wash and portsmouth like between the wash and portsmouth ttte tnat. — between the wash and portsmouth ttte that. day— between the wash and portsmouth like that. okay government is devn— like that. okay government is devn tn— like that. okay government is devn tn the— like that. okay government is down in the south—east and you knew.— down in the south—east and you knew. ven-ve— down in the south—east and you knew. ven-ve entv— down in the south—east and you know, you've only got to be a ctvtt— know, you've only got to be a ctvtt servant— know, you've only got to be a civil servant for— know, you've only got to be a civil servant for about 20 years in whitehall. _ civil servant for about 20 years in whitehall. and— civil servant for about 20 years in whitehall. ' t: g , in whitehall. and guess what? you get a gong, you get an obe or an mba or you get a knighthood. now let me focus on enen— knighthood. now let me focus on cnevt and— knighthood. now let me focus on cpevt and chev— knighthood. now let me focus on sport and show you— knighthood. now let me focus on sport and show you how- sport and show you how unbalanced— sport and show you how unbalanced it- sport and show you how unbalanced it is. okay there has never been a sportsman from the vend— never been a sportsman from the need et— never been a sportsman from the world of football— never been a sportsman from the world of football who's been etven— world of football who's been etven a— world of football who's been given a baronetcy now lord seb cec— given a baronetcy now lord seb cee nett— given a baronetcy now lord seb cee dent .— given a baronetcy now lord seb cee neat . teed— given a baronetcy now lord seb coe right . lord colin cowdrey coe right. lord colin cowdrey tente— coe right. lord colin cowdrey avnte teed— coe right. lord colin cowdrey arnie lord botham, who of course made— arnie lord botham, who of course made tate— arnie lord botham, who of course made his career— arnie lord botham, who of course made his career in— arnie lord botham, who of course made his career in a— arnie lord botham, who of course made his career in a southern cenntv— made his career in a southern county. somerset. _ made his career in a southern county. somerset. but why isn't eettv— county. somerset. but why isn't bobby charlton— county. somerset. but why isn't bobby charlton a— county. somerset. but why isn't bobby charlton a lord? bobby cnanten— bobby charlton a lord? bobby cnavtten te— bobby charlton a lord? bobby charlton is the— bobby charlton a lord? bobby charlton is the most famous caevtccnan— charlton is the most famous sportsman we've— charlton is the most famous sportsman we've got in this cennttv— sportsman we've got in this cennttv .— sportsman we've got in this cenntcv . ae— sportsman we've got in this cenntcv . ae t— sportsman we've got in this country . he i was sportsman we've got in this country. he i was in sportsman we've got in this country . he i was in the atacama country. he i was in the atacama decen— country. he i was in the atacama necevt tn— country. he i was in the atacama desert in chile— country. he i was in the atacama desert in chile once, okay? it's aven— desert in chile once, okay? it's avenv ete— desert in chile once, okay? it's a very remote part— desert in chile once, okay? it's a very remote part of the world. i a very remote part of the world. t tanned— a very remote part of the world. t bumped tnte— a very remote part of the world. i bumped into a— a very remote part of the world. i bumped into a man who was cetttnd— i bumped into a man who was selling lemonade— i bumped into a man who was selling lemonade on the neadctde— selling lemonade on the roadside. he—

selling lemonade on the roadside. he said, where you trend— roadside. he said, where you come from? and— roadside. he said, where you come from? and i said , i'm from come from? and i said, i'm from tnetand— come from? and i said, i'm from tnetand. ne— come from? and i said, i'm from england. he said,— come from? and i said, i'm from england. he said, bobby chatea— england. he said, bobby charlton. now, why is bobby cnantten— charlton. now, why is bobby charlton not— charlton. now, why is bobby charlton not the— charlton. now, why is bobby charlton not the first football tend — charlton not the first football tend tnat— charlton not the first football tend that we — charlton not the first football lord that we should ever have? why— lord that we should ever have? vvnv vc— lord that we should ever have? no sn— lord that we should ever have? why was sir stanley matthews never made a lord? do you know why?— never made a lord? do you know vnve necce— never made a lord? do you know why? because they— never made a lord? do you know why? because they come from the need— why? because they come from the need et— why? because they come from the north of england.— why? because they come from the north of england. stanley ttattnevc— north of england. stanley ttattnevc .— north of england. stanley matthews , blackpool, bobby matthews, blackpool, bobby cnantten— matthews, blackpool, bobby cnantten .— matthews, blackpool, bobby charlton , manchester. it's an charlton, manchester. it's an atcetnte— charlton, manchester. it's an absolute disgrace . there's a absolute disgrace. there's a discrimination— absolute disgrace. there's a discrimination against northern people— discrimination against northern people en— discrimination against northern people on the— discrimination against northern people on the previous feature , people on the previous feature, ven-ve— people on the previous feature, ven-ve tact— people on the previous feature, ven-ve tact nad— people on the previous feature, you've just had you on your chew.— you've just had you on your cnev. ven— you've just had you on your show. you had— you've just had you on your show. you had michelle dewberry, avendennt— show. you had michelle dewberry, a wonderful lady— show. you had michelle dewberry, a wonderful lady from hull, and she a wonderful lady from hull, and cne nac— a wonderful lady from hull, and cne nac an— a wonderful lady from hull, and she has an accent— a wonderful lady from hull, and she has an accent from hull. i tet— she has an accent from hull. i bet ven— she has an accent from hull. i bet ven cne— she has an accent from hull. i bet you she never— she has an accent from hull. i bet you she never is made a dame.— bet you she never is made a dame. and— bet you she never is made a dame. and one— bet you she never is made a dame. and one of- bet you she never is made a dame. and one of the reasons ventd— dame. and one of the reasons ventd te— dame. and one of the reasons would be because— dame. and one of the reasons would be because she's got that vendentnt— would be because she's got that wonderful yorkshire accent. tnene-c— wonderful yorkshire accent. there's terrible— wonderful yorkshire accent. there's terrible discrimination in there's terrible discrimination tn adatnct— there's terrible discrimination in against people in this cenntnv— in against people in this country from _ in against people in this country from the north and i want— country from the north and i want te— country from the north and i want te cee— country from the north and i want to see it— country from the north and i want to see it rebala ernst and tttcnt— want to see it rebala ernst and tttcnt senat— want to see it rebala ernst and rishi sunak is— want to see it rebala ernst and rishi sunak is giving it lip centce— rishi sunak is giving it lip service, but— rishi sunak is giving it lip service, but i— rishi sunak is giving it lip service, but i want to see the people— service, but i want to see the people tn— service, but i want to see the people tn the— service, but i want to see the people in the north of england vne-ve— people in the north of england vne-ve dene— people in the north of england who've done things like built and— who've done things like built and ctanted— who've done things like built and started the— who've done things like built and started the metro system in nevcactte— and started the metro system in newcastle upon _ and started the metro system in newcastle upon tyne, who've tned— newcastle upon tyne, who've tned te— newcastle upon tyne, who've

tried to make— newcastle upon tyne, who've tried to make the links from tancacnne— tried to make the links from lancashire to— tried to make the links from lancashire to yorkshire across tne— lancashire to yorkshire across tne nee — lancashire to yorkshire across the m56 better— lancashire to yorkshire across the m56 better .— lancashire to yorkshire across the m56 better . why aren't they the m56 better. why aren't they nevandede— the m56 better. why aren't they rewarded? they— the m56 better. why aren't they rewarded? they don't just sit on net— rewarded? they don't just sit on their backsides_ rewarded? they don't just sit on their backsides in— rewarded? they don't just sit on their backsides in whitehall for 20 veac — their backsides in whitehall for ac vec tnev— their backsides in whitehall for 20 years. they get out there and tnev— 20 years. they get out there and tnev de— 20 years. they get out there and tnev de tt— 20 years. they get out there and tnev de tt ten— 20 years. they get out there and they do it for the _ 20 years. they get out there and they do it for the people of tennenn— they do it for the people of northern england. some of them sit northern england. some of them ctt en— northern england. some of them sit on their backsides and talk rubbish every day on national television. like me. where's my knighthood? come on, i need this. i need this. might look. thank much. great thank you very much. it's great to it's to hear to hear. it's great to hear somebody so passionately. somebody talk so passionately. think years to think you've got a few years to go prove yourself. i go yet to prove yourself. i don't doubt you at all, but it ntdnt— don't doubt you at all, but it ntent tate— don't doubt you at all, but it ntent take a— don't doubt you at all, but it might take a bit— don't doubt you at all, but it might take a bit of convincing anendct— might take a bit of convincing anengct tne— might take a bit of convincing amongst the greater population. if amongst the greater population. tt-decenvec— amongst the greater population. if-deserves an- amongst the greater population. if deserves an award for if anybody deserves an award for then— if anybody deserves an award for their services— if anybody deserves an award for their services to— if anybody deserves an award for their services to journalism and tend— their services to journalism and tend a— their services to journalism and being a communicator , it's being a communicator, it's etvtenctv— being a communicator, it's etvtenctv ne— being a communicator, it's obviously me. it's you. right? vett— obviously me. it's you. right? well, there— obviously me. it's you. right? well, there you— obviously me. it's you. right? well, there you go. /t:::t. well, there you go. you know vnate— well, there you go. you know what? t— well, there you go. you know what? i hope that we get a little bit of if we get enough, if we get the kind of northern tokenism that you and i are trying to champion here right. then we can both have it right, because i love it. it's not tokenism. well,i because i love it. it's not tokenism. well, i mean, yeah, i'll tokenism. well, i mean, yeah, t-ttltact— tokenism. well, i mean, yeah, t-ttltact te— " well, i mean, yeah, i'll back to manchester. sir i'll go back to manchester. sir al...— i'll go back to manchester. sir alex ferguson,— i'll go back to manchester. sir alex ferguson, the most

successful— alex ferguson, the most successful football manager in ntctenv— successful football manager in ntctenv and— successful football manager in ntctenv and tn— successful football manager in history and in this country. why is history and in this country. why tc ne— history and in this country. why tc ne net— history and in this country. why is he not being— history and in this country. why is he not being made a lord and evenvtedv— is he not being made a lord and evenvtedv etce — is he not being made a lord and everybody else gets made a lord for everybody else gets made a lord ten dend— everybody else gets made a lord for doing nothing?— everybody else gets made a lord for doing nothing? but a lot of tnece— for doing nothing? but a lot of these politicians— for doing nothing? but a lot of these politicians are just made tendc— these politicians are just made tendc te— these politicians are just made tendc te det— these politicians are just made lords to get them— these politicians are just made lords to get them out of the way for lords to get them out of the way ten dend— lords to get them out of the way for doing anything— lords to get them out of the way for doing anything else. that's not—reason, is- for doing anything else. that's not—reason, is it?| not a very good reason, is it? to not a very good reason, is it? te te— not a very good reason, is it? te be made— not a very good reason, is it? to be made? one— not a very good reason, is it? to be made? one of the aristos teac— to be made? one of the aristos tacltntc— to be made? one of the aristos raclthis country,— to be made? one of the aristos rac this country, are rac in this country, bishops are made— rac in this country, bishops are made tendc— rac in this country, bishops are made lords what— rac in this country, bishops are made lords what the bishops do and contribute— made lords what the bishops do and contribute to— made lords what the bishops do and contribute to our society . and contribute to our society. tnat— and contribute to our society. that the— and contribute to our society. that the vicar— and contribute to our society. that the vicar from my local panca— that the vicar from my local pancn tn— that the vicar from my local parish in colchester doesn't do, vne— parish in colchester doesn't do, vne wenc— parish in colchester doesn't do, vne ventc ven— parish in colchester doesn't do, who works very hard on council ectatec— who works very hard on council ectatec tn— who works very hard on council estates in chester— who works very hard on council estates in chester ,— who works very hard on council estates in chester , he should be estates in chester, he should be rewarded. — estates in chester, he should be rewarded. i've— estates in chester, he should be rewarded. i've got— estates in chester, he should be rewarded. i've got to - estates in chester, he should be rewarded. git git rewarded. i've got to go, mike. i've got to go. thank you very much. mike parry there, proud northerner, in case you couldn't tell. now. yes, i've got loads more coming your way the next more coming your way in the next houn more coming your way in the next hour, including i am drilling down or and down onto whether or not and indeed how we keep on indeed how we keep tabs on people their visas. people who overstay their visas. i'm

a good . good evening. is patrick a good. good evening. is patrick christys here on gb news? it's just gone 5 pm. and it's a busy final friday hour. here's what i'm going in with. is there a big net migration con going on? i've got a really sinking feeling. those numbers from yesterday are an underestimation of the reality. why? i do not see how on earth we're keeping tabs on people who overstay their visa in this country. i'll be getting to grips with that. now just stop oil at it again. the old slow walk orange brigade, aren't they? well, some chapin brigade, aren't they? well, some chap in his car today shouted at them. i've a hospital

them. i've got a hospital appointment just bill them. i've got a hospital appoiweient just bill them. i've got a hospital appoiwe don't just bill them. i've got a hospital appoiwe don't believe bill them. i've got a hospital appoiwe don't believe you. and said, we don't believe you. and he go on the pavement. so he had to go on the pavement. so i find this bonkers. are they playing god now? it does appear i find this bonkers. are they playin heartlessv? it does appear i find this bonkers. are they playin heartless ,’ it does appear i find this bonkers. are they playin heartless , ift does appear i find this bonkers. are they playin heartless , if youzs appear i find this bonkers. are they playin heartless , if you ask)pear i find this bonkers. are they playin heartless , if you ask me.r pretty heartless, if you ask me. i'll be talking to someone from just and we're just stop oil. and also we're spirit. quietly. i might have a very special for you on very special guest for you on this topic. viewers from earlier on in the week will know who i mean. right. and also, i'm going to talking about of this to be talking about all of this trans have banned trans cyclists have been banned from competing elite level from competing in elite level events, common sense at last, i think people so now women who train their entire lives to operate at elite level of an operate at the elite level of an incredibly tough sport will not be beaten by someone who was born the name gary. i think born with the name gary. i think we agree a great we can all agree that's a great move finally, i'm also move forward. finally, i'm also going be talking about this . going to be talking about this. yes, i am, of course, dancing on stage the dream boys, stage with the dream boys, getting kit off, not for fun, getting my kit off, not for fun, because it will be something that no doubt haunts what remains out remains of my hollowed out career. donate career. but please donate because i'm it to raise because i'm doing it to raise money for the mental health charity giving.com/fundraising/challenge christie's we're hoping to get

to £50,000 we are nearly there and i'll be getting my kit off on stage with the dream boys on the 28th of june. let's save some lives. people . the e—mail some lives. people. the e—mail address is gb views and gb news .com . keep your emails coming in .com. keep your emails coming in thick and fast. look, i'm going to rumble on as well with a big debate that we had in the last houn debate that we had in the last hour. i want to know from you on this. do you think that people who kill their children should be executed? should we bring back penalty for child back the death penalty for child killers? devastating killers? we had two devastating cases, you're cases, which i suspect you're going to hear a bit more about in the bulletins very shortly. gb gb news .com. gb views at gb news .com. now, though, headlines . though, it is your headlines. thank you very much, patrick. a nac— thank you very much, patrick. a nac teen— thank you very much, patrick. a man has been jailed for life vttn— man has been jailed for life vttn a— man has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 years for with a minimum term of 32 years ten the— with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder— with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder of— with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder of 15— with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob— for the murder of 15 month old tacet tennen— for the murder of 15 month old jacob lennon. jake drummond, the partner— jacob lennon. jake drummond, the partner et—

jacob lennon. jake drummond, the cannet et de— jacob lennon. jake drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother, jailed— partner of the toddler's mother, was jailed following a campaign of was jailed following a campaign et cnnet— was jailed following a campaign et cnnet and— was jailed following a campaign of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy— of cruel and sadistic abuse. the tev centered— of cruel and sadistic abuse. the boy suffered multiple injuries tnee— boy suffered multiple injuries over three weeks . in 2019, the over three weeks. in 2019, the vtcttn-c— over three weeks. in 2019, the victim's mother— over three weeks. in 2019, the victim's mother ,— over three weeks. in 2019, the victim's mother , louise lennon, victim's mother, louise lennon, jailed— victim's mother, louise lennon, iatted ten— victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten— victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten years for attevtnd— was jailed for ten years for allowing jacob's death . well, in allowing jacob's death. well, in etnen— allowing jacob's death. well, in etnen ec— allowing jacob's death. well, in other news, the— allowing jacob's death. well, in other news, the parents of a ten nentn — other news, the parents of a ten nentn etd — other news, the parents of a ten nentn etd nev— other news, the parents of a ten month old boy who— other news, the parents of a ten month old boy who murdered him on month old boy who murdered him en cnnctnac— month old boy who murdered him on christmas day— month old boy who murdered him on christmas day in— month old boy who murdered him on christmas day in 2020 have teen— on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed— on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for— on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for life— on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for life . finley, been jailed for life. finley, tendenc— been jailed for life. finley, bowden's mother, shannon ttancden— bowden's mother, shannon ttancdenvvac— bowden's mother, shannon marsden, was given a minimum tenn— marsden, was given a minimum tenn et— marsden, was given a minimum tenn et 27— marsden, was given a minimum tenn et at veanc— marsden, was given a minimum term of 27 years whilst his tatter— term of 27 years whilst his tatnen .— term of 27 years whilst his father , steven— term of 27 years whilst his father , steven bowden, was given father, steven bowden, was given a — father, steven bowden, was given a et— father, steven bowden, was given a minimum of 29— father, steven bowden, was given a minimum of 29 years. the baby taken— a minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into— a minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care— a minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care shortly atten— was taken into care shortly atten ntntn— was taken into care shortly after birth due— was taken into care shortly after birth due to child protection— after birth due to child protection concerns, but he was put— protection concerns, but he was put tact— protection concerns, but he was put tact tnte— protection concerns, but he was put back into his— protection concerns, but he was put back into his parents care tact— put back into his parents care tact ect— put back into his parents care tact ea davc— put back into his parents care just 39 days before he died . just 39 days before he died. pence— just 39 days before he died. tettce cav— just 39 days before he died. police say the— just 39 days before he died. police say the pair were jailed for police say the pair were jailed ten an— police say the pair were jailed for an incomprehensible crime . for an incomprehensible crime. tenden— for an incomprehensible crime. nevden and— for an incomprehensible crime. bowden and marsden- for an incomprehensible crime. bowden and marsden from- for an incomprehensible crime. bowden and marsden from the moment finley returned to their care throughout the trial after conviction in and even a sentence have never taken

responsibility for their actions as they lied and obstructive professionals who were attempting to see finley to establish that he was being cared for in the correct manner by the first minister of wales, is chairing a community meeting in cardiff after the deaths of two teenagers sparked a riot. 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 16 year old kyrees sullivan and ts vea— 16 year old kyrees sullivan and ts vean etd— 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey— 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans were cited— 15 year old harvey evans were killed while— 15 year old harvey evans were killed while riding an e—bike . killed while riding an e—bike. tne— killed while riding an e—bike. tne pence— killed while riding an e—bike. the police watchdog is investigating after cctv footage enended— investigating after cctv footage emerged that— investigating after cctv footage emerged that showed a police van tettevtnd— emerged that showed a police van tettevtnd tne — emerged that showed a police van following the teens— emerged that showed a police van following the teens just before then— following the teens just before their deaths— following the teens just before their deaths .— following the teens just before their deaths . two— following the teens just before their deaths . two cars were set their deaths. two cars were set attent— their deaths. two cars were set attdnt .— their deaths. two cars were set alight , windows— their deaths. two cars were set alight, windows were smashed in the alight, windows were smashed in tne vtetence— alight, windows were smashed in the violence with— alight, windows were smashed in the violence with nine people anected— the violence with nine people arrested following the disorder . pence— arrested following the disorder . tettce tn— arrested following the disorder . police in northern ireland nave— . police in northern ireland have released— . police in northern ireland have released new footage of cevet— have released new footage of several vehicles— have released new footage of several vehicles used by the gunman— several vehicles used by the gunman tn— several vehicles used by the gunman in connection with the attempted— gunman in connection with the attempted murder of a senior pence— attempted murder of a senior police detective.— attempted murder of a senior police detective. detective cntet— police detective. detective chief inspector— police detective. detective chief inspector john caldwell

cnet— chief inspector john caldwell was shot several— chief inspector john caldwell was shot several times whilst ceacntnd— was shot several times whilst ceacntnd a— was shot several times whilst coaching a youth— was shot several times whilst coaching a youth football team at a— coaching a youth football team at a ceentc— coaching a youth football team at a sports centre— coaching a youth football team at a sports centre in omagh last tetnnanv— at a sports centre in omagh last tetnnanv .— at a sports centre in omagh last february . officers— at a sports centre in omagh last february . officers believe the february. officers believe the ttact— february. officers believe the black mercedes— february. officers believe the black mercedes benz was used teta— black mercedes benz was used tetn tetene— black mercedes benz was used both before and— black mercedes benz was used both before and after the attack to both before and after the attack te tnanceent— both before and after the attack to transport the _ both before and after the attack to transport the gunman and etnenc— to transport the gunman and etnenc avav— to transport the gunman and others away from the scene. nine and— others away from the scene. nine and twe— others away from the scene. nine men and two women aged between 21 men and two women aged between at and— men and two women aged between at and 72.— men and two women aged between at and 72. vee— men and two women aged between 21 and 72, were arrested this nenntnd. — 21 and 72, were arrested this morning- vvttt— 21 and 72, were arrested this morning. will detective chief superintendent— morning. will detective chief superintendent eamonn corrigan nnevtded— superintendent eamonn corrigan enevtded an— superintendent eamonn corrigan provided an update on those anected— provided an update on those anected . — provided an update on those arrested . and— provided an update on those arrested. t: provided an update on those arrested. " " arrested. and they've been taken to the serious crime suite in musgrave police station , where musgrave police station, where they are currently being questioned by detectives . the questioned by detectives. the arrests are a significant development in the investigation today. i am also releasing new cctv footage and photographs of a number of cars used by the gunmen and those involved on the night of and prior to john's attempt at murder on wednesday , attempt at murder on wednesday, the 22nd of february . an 18 year the 22nd of february. an 18 year old the 22nd of february. an 18 year etd teenager— the 22nd of february. an 18 year old teenager has— the 22nd of february. an 18 year

old teenager has been- wm: 3 an 18 year old teenager has been arrested aden— old teenager has been arrested again tact— old teenager has been arrested again tact davc— old teenager has been arrested again just days after being ttned— again just days after being ttned ten— again just days after being fined for entering someone's tene— fined for entering someone's home without— fined for entering someone's home without permission . mizzi home without permission. mizzi nected— home without permission. mizzi nected a— home without permission. mizzi pected a vtdee— home without permission. mizzi posted a video on— home without permission. mizzi posted a video on a social media of posted a video on a social media et de— posted a video on a social media et tne anect— posted a video on a social media of the arrest this— posted a video on a social media of the arrest this morning . of the arrest this morning. nett— of the arrest this morning. well, earlier— of the arrest this morning. well, earlier this week, he pteaded— well, earlier this week, he pleaded guilty— well, earlier this week, he pleaded guilty and apologised atten— pleaded guilty and apologised atten tend— pleaded guilty and apologised after being handed a criminal tenavtenn— after being handed a criminal behaviour order— after being handed a criminal behaviour order for filming ntncett— behaviour order for filming himself entering private ectenced— himself entering private residence and posting them on cectat— residence and posting them on cectat nedta— residence and posting them on social media. he— residence and posting them on social media. he appeared at tnanec— social media. he appeared at thames magistrates court and has teen— thames magistrates court and has been ttned— thames magistrates court and has been ttned .— thames magistrates court and has been fined . £365— thames magistrates court and has been fined . £365 an 11 year old been fined. £365 an 11 year old boy— been fined. £365 an 11 year old tev dc— been fined. £365 an 11 year old tev tc tn— been fined. £365 an 11 year old tev tc tn a— been fined. £365 an 11 year old boy is in a critical— been fined. £365 an 11 year old boy is in a critical condition atten— boy is in a critical condition atten tend— boy is in a critical condition after being hit— boy is in a critical condition after being hit by a police car in lancaster.— after being hit by a police car in lancaster. the— after being hit by a police car in lancaster. the force says it attendtnd— in lancaster. the force says it was attending an— in lancaster. the force says it was attending an emergency call vnen— was attending an emergency call when tne— was attending an emergency call when the collision— was attending an emergency call when the collision occurred late tact— when the collision occurred late tact neat.— when the collision occurred late tact ntent. tne— when the collision occurred late last night. the officers are venttnd— last night. the officers are venttnd te— last night. the officers are working to establish what evacttv— working to establish what exactly happened and referred the incident— exactly happened and referred the incident to _ exactly happened and referred the incident to the police vatcnded— the incident to the police vatcnded .— the incident to the police watchdog . the battle of the watchdog. the battle of the attanttc— watchdog. the battle of the atlantic commemorations have teen— atlantic commemorations have been tanne— atlantic commemorations have been taking place in liverpool vttn— been taking place in liverpool vttn tne— been taking place in liverpool with the princess— been taking place in liverpool with the princess royal as the anect— with the princess royal as the anect et— with the princess royal as the guest of honour. _ with the princess royal as the guest of honour. it was the tendect— guest of honour. it was the longest military campaign in vend— longest military campaign in vventd vva— longest military campaign in world war ii.— longest military campaign in world war ii. the service has

teen— world war ii. the service has been netd— world war ii. the service has been held and— world war ii. the service has been held and concluded in a ttv-pact— been held and concluded in a ttv—pact nv— been held and concluded in a fly—past by historic aircraft at on fly—past by historic aircraft at en de— fly—past by historic aircraft at en tne ectn— fly—past by historic aircraft at on the 80th anniversary. her royal— on the 80th anniversary. her royal highness— on the 80th anniversary. her royal highness formally unveiled the royal highness formally unveiled tne ne— royal highness formally unveiled the new battle— royal highness formally unveiled the new battle of— royal highness formally unveiled the new battle of the atlantic ttenenat— the new battle of the atlantic memorial garden , and one of the memorial garden, and one of the veteanc ten— memorial garden, and one of the veterans, ken benbow , told gb veterans, ken benbow, told gb tenc— veterans, ken benbow, told gb nevc ne— veterans, ken benbow, told gb nevc ne vttt— veterans, ken benbow, told gb news he will never forget what he vent— news he will never forget what he went through— news he will never forget what he went through .— news he will never forget what he went through . i went in as he went through. i went in as a tev. — he went through. i went in as a tev. t— he went through. i went in as a tev. t cane— he went through. i went in as a boy. i came out— he went through. i went in as a boy. i came out as— he went through. i went in as a boy. i came out as a- he went through. i went in as a boy. at“ he went through. i went in as a boy. it?“ he went through. i went in as a boy. i it?“ boy. i came out as a man. i left school. i couldn't read or write everything like i did . school. i couldn't read or write everything like i did. i school. i couldn't read or write everything like i did . i learned everything like i did. i learned from arnie . i learned from the from arnie. i learned from the navy. from arnie. i learned from the navy . i'm from arnie. i learned from the navy. i'm proud of and i thank the navy . bless them. pope the navy. bless them. pope francis has skipped meetings today because of a fever . the today because of a fever. the vatican hasn't provided- : i the vatican hasn't provided any tanner— vatican hasn't provided any further details— vatican hasn't provided any further details on the 86 year etd-c— further details on the 86 year etd-c neattn— further details on the 86 year old's health, but— further details on the 86 year old's health, but has said he dtdn-t— old's health, but has said he didn't receive— old's health, but has said he didn't receive anyone in andtence— didn't receive anyone in audience this- didn't receive anyone in audience this morning. it's atten— audience this morning. it's atten ne— audience this morning. it's after he spent— audience this morning. it's after he spent five days in necnttat— after he spent five days in necpttat at— after he spent five days in hospital at the— after he spent five days in hospital at the end of march.

tnat— hospital at the end of march. that vac— hospital at the end of march. that ten— hospital at the end of march. that was for bronchitis but antcttv— that was for bronchitis but quickly recovered following a course of antibiotics . ipsis. gb course of antibiotics. ipsis. gb tenc— course of antibiotics. ipsis. gb nevc. vte-tt— course of antibiotics. ipsis. gb news. we'll bring— course of antibiotics. ipsis. gb news. we'll bring you more as it nappenc— news. we'll bring you more as it nappenc. nev— news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now though, back to . patrick okay . patrick- okay . i have natnct— okay . i have got patrick okay . i have got some patrick okay. i have got some big breaking for news you. we were trying to track this chap down, not chap hero. okay. this is the individual who put out just stop oil out of the way on blackfriars bridge on tuesday. you know that white van, man that stood up and the police went after him and they didn't go after. just stop oil. we've tracked him down and we are set to talk to louis greaves live here on this show at at or just after half past five. so in about 20 minutes time, we will have britain's hero , the have britain's hero, the national treasure. louis greaves .thank national treasure. louis greaves . thank you very much, everybody. we were trying to

track this guy down. i promise to buy him a pint. so i will be doing my best to meet up with this guy, get him a pint. and you never know as well. we might have award for so have a little award for him. so keep and ears peeled, keep your eyes and ears peeled, because will be. we will be because we will be. we will be greeting throwing our channel's arms around this national treasure a bit in the treasure a bit later on in the show. man, louis. now, show. good man, louis. now, moving start with moving on, though, we start with the than 3000 the news that more than 3000 asylum could be detained asylum seekers could be detained and deported up to every single month in the government's illegal it is illegal migration bill. it is reported the legislation, reported that the legislation, which is a key part rishi which is a key part of rishi sunak suella braverman's, sunak and suella braverman's, plans could plans to cut immigration, could see remove very see the government remove very specific this 3163 asylum seekers each month from from january onwards. now a little bit later on, i'm going to be talking about giving my experiences in boston yesterday. by experiences in boston yesterday. by the way, if somebody does just this under just enter this country under the having some kind the pretence of having some kind of visa then not to of visa and then decide not to leave, how on earth do we keep tabs on these people and that for me, makes me think our for me, makes me think that our actual migration are actual net migration figures are potentially a little bit skew

whiff. just talk about whiff. but just to talk about the side things the deportation side of things first, political first, gb news political reporter forsterjoins first, gb news political replinar forsterjoins first, gb news political replinar studio. forsterjoins first, gb news political replinar studio. so rsterjoins first, gb news political replinar studio. so 30000ins first, gb news political replinar studio. so 3000 people me in the studio. so 3000 people a month or so , i think a lot of a month or so, i think a lot of people might be thinking that's great. other people say it's unworkable. well i suspect this is a worst case scenario. and i think it's important— is a worst case scenario. and i think it's important to- i i and i think it's important to say this is think it's important to say this tc a— think it's important to say this tc a cten— think it's important to say this tc a ctenv tnat— think it's important to say this is a story that the— think it's important to say this is a story that the guardian teete— is a story that the guardian tnete tntc— is a story that the guardian broke this morning. it's leaked decnnentc— broke this morning. it's leaked documents that— broke this morning. it's leaked documents that have been given to documents that have been given te tnen— documents that have been given te tnen cneeect— documents that have been given to them suggest jesting that tntc— to them suggest jesting that tntc ntdnt— to them suggest jesting that this might be— to them suggest jesting that this might be the number 3000 a nentn— this might be the number 3000 a nentn nen — this might be the number 3000 a month from january, which would etvtenctv— month from january, which would etvtenctv te— month from january, which would etvtenctv be a— month from january, which would obviously be a hugely difficult and ne— obviously be a hugely difficult and be massively, massively enenctve— and be massively, massively expensive. and _ and be massively, massively expensive. and they're saying, vett— expensive. and they're saying, vett .— expensive. and they're saying, vett . tne— expensive. and they're saying, well , the lawyers would have to well, the lawyers would have to be well, the lawyers would have to te natd — well, the lawyers would have to be paid considerably more money. and dc— be paid considerably more money. and tc tntc— be paid considerably more money. and is this really— be paid considerably more money. and is this really worth double? but and is this really worth double? ant et— and is this really worth double? but of course,— and is this really worth double? but of course, the— and is this really worth double? but of course, the whole point of but of course, the whole point et tne — but of course, the whole point et tne tttedat— but of course, the whole point of the illegal migration bill that— of the illegal migration bill that the— of the illegal migration bill that the government are pushing tnendn— that the government are pushing through parliament is currently in through parliament is currently tn tne— through parliament is currently tn tne tendc— through parliament is currently in the lords where it's going to cnnedte. — in the lords where it's going to cnneete. and— in the lords where it's going to struggle. and is— in the lords where it's going to struggle. and is that once they ctant— struggle. and is that once they ctant cendtnd— struggle. and is that once they start sending people on a one way— start sending people on a one vav ttctet— start sending people on a one vav ttctet te — start sending people on a one way ticket to rwanda , people way ticket to rwanda, people vit— way ticket to rwanda, people vttt tnen — way ticket to rwanda, people will then think,— way ticket to rwanda, people will then think, hang on a

ntnnte— will then think, hang on a ntnnte .— will then think, hang on a ntnnte . tn— will then think, hang on a minute , i'm not going to cross minute, i'm not going to cross tren— minute, i'm not going to cross nen tance— minute, i'm not going to cross from france and— minute, i'm not going to cross from france and risk my life tecce— from france and risk my life tecce tn— from france and risk my life because i'm not— from france and risk my life because i'm not going to be atteved— because i'm not going to be atteved te— because i'm not going to be allowed to stay— because i'm not going to be allowed to stay and therefore, for allowed to stay and therefore, ten tn— allowed to stay and therefore, ten t-n net— allowed to stay and therefore, for i'm not going— allowed to stay and therefore, for i'm not going to go. i mean, tt-c— for i'm not going to go. i mean, tt-c att— for i'm not going to go. i mean, tt-c att attent— for i'm not going to go. i mean, it's all about reducing the pull tactenc— it's all about reducing the pull tactenc .— it's all about reducing the pull tactenc . se— it's all about reducing the pull factors . so .whole- it's all about reducing the pull factors . so whole point of factors. so the whole point of it factors. so the whole point of ttltne — factors. so the whole point of itlthe thinking _ factors. so the whole point of it the thinking goes , once it is the thinking goes, once people— it is the thinking goes, once people ae— it is the thinking goes, once people are going to rwanda on a vegetat— people are going to rwanda on a neentan tactc— people are going to rwanda on a regular basis, the— people are going to rwanda on a regular basis, the numbers cnecctnd— regular basis, the numbers cnecctne tne — regular basis, the numbers crossing the channel will start to crossing the channel will start te tatt— crossing the channel will start te tatt very— crossing the channel will start to fall very dramatically. atcetntetv— to fall very dramatically. absolutely so, - to fall very dramatically. absolutely so, yeah, sure, it's eeccttte— absolutely so, yeah, sure, it's peccttte .— absolutely so, yeah, sure, it's possible , paul,— absolutely so, yeah, sure, it's possible , paul, but i would have possible, paul, but i would have decent— possible, paul, but i would have tnendnt tt— possible, paul, but i would have tnenent tt vac— possible, paul, but i would have thought it was very unlikely. vventd— thought it was very unlikely. vventd ven— thought it was very unlikely. would you cross— thought it was very unlikely. would you cross the channel if ven-ne— would you cross the channel if you're gend— would you cross the channel if you're going te— would you cross the channel if you're going to be— would you cross the channel if you're going to be sent to rwanda— you're going to be sent to ttvanda e — you're going to be sent to rwanda ? ' etilg you're going to be sent to- rwanda ? absolutely not. i used rwanda? absolutely not. i used to a thing on a show here to do a thing on a show here called friday night feast and i used to challenge christie's every single was it every single week. and i was it was hard no when i floated the was a hard no when i floated the idea quite literally, that maybe i should try to cross the channel i should try to cross the channel, thought it would channel, they thought it would be , so i wouldn't do be too risky, so i wouldn't do it best of times, it at the best of times, although think probably although i do think i probably would successful. would have been successful. a lot people seem to be, but lot of people seem to be, but but i think this is in light of us not being able to turn the boats back or being unwilling to turn back, this turn the boats back, this presumably best presumably is the next best

thing, the thing, i suppose the government's argument would be it's deterrent, the it's the deterrent, it's the deterrent and whilst deterrent really. and whilst there initial outlay there might be an initial outlay of in legal fees, of money in legal fees, if it stops coming, then we stops the boats coming, then we stops the boats coming, then we stop paying i suppose. stop paying for it. i suppose. the big question for though, the big question for me though, catherine this story catherine, is how did this story get again, it's in get out there? again, it's in the guardian, isn't it? is this is this more leaking? is it? well guardian knows. well only the guardian knows. and course, they will always and of course, they will always nnetect— and of course, they will always pnetect tnetn— and of course, they will always protect their sources. of protect their sources. but of etvtenctv— protect their sources. but of obviously it's— protect their sources. but of obviously it's a— protect their sources. but of obviously it's a bad news story for obviously it's a bad news story ten tnc— obviously it's a bad news story for the government. so my cncntcten— for the government. so my suspicion would be that it's come from somebody who is not in taven— come from somebody who is not in taven et— come from somebody who is not in taven et tnc— come from somebody who is not in favour of this bill,— come from somebody who is not in favour of this bill, who is effectively _ favour of this bill, who is effectively trying to make tnentte— effectively trying to make trouble for— effectively trying to make trouble for the _ effectively trying to make trouble for the government . \t:::t trouble for the government. no, atcetatetv. — trouble for the government. no, absolutely. well,— trouble for the government. no, absolutely. well, look,- trouble for the government. no, absolutely. well, look, kwasi , absolutely. well, look, kwasi, thank you very, very much, catherine forster our political reporter, just filling you in on the latest these are the the latest because these are the kind noises coming which kind of noises coming out, which is guardian, which is it's in the guardian, which is it's in the guardian, which is suella braverman plans is the suella braverman plans could around 3163 people could see around 3163 people deported every single month under the rwanda scheme. and people are saying that this is a terrible thing. i can't help but wonder whether or not quite a few people watching this show

let me know. get in touch. gb views gb news .com. would you think that wouldn't think that that wouldn't necessarily case necessarily be a worst case scenario? that's the kind of numbers it would equate to numbers that it would equate to being a deterrent, actually. and i whether or not you guys i wonder whether or not you guys think touch on the think that. get in touch on the inbox. going delve into inbox. i'm going to delve into the very, very shortly. the inbox very, very shortly. but yesterday and but yesterday i was out and about a called boston about in a place called boston in lincolnshire. and boston is very, special place. it is very, very special place. it is the brexit backing capital of britain people britain more than 75% of people there brexit. clearly there voted for brexit. clearly a big part of brexit was to take back control our borders. back control of our borders. then yesterday what happened? back control of our borders. then the erday what happened? back control of our borders. then the netiy what happened? back control of our borders. then the net migrationtappened? back control of our borders. then the net migration numbers’ well, the net migration numbers were and they're at were revealed and they're at record levels . and so we had record levels. and so we had 606,000 people arriving. well, in fact, we had 1.2 million people arriving, but net that 606,000. now, i was very, very keen to drill down on whether or not if people overstay their visas , they are actually checked visas, they are actually checked up on and indeed deported . it's up on and indeed deported. it's all very well and good talking about people who we can spot a mile off quite literally coming

across the channel in the boats arriving in dover, being put in hotels or processing centres and then deported from there . but then deported from there. but what about the people who arrive on whatever kind of visa and just decide to overstay ? and the just decide to overstay? and the reason why i decided that i thought i wanted to talk about this was because i could see it with my own eyes. yesterday in boston, was absolutely no boston, there was absolutely no way that the vast majority of the people lounging around all day in the town square drinking alcohol, smoking drugs , clearly alcohol, smoking drugs, clearly not working, were really here on i would suggest anyway , work i would suggest anyway, work visas. and i would suggest that because they can't speak english to try to talk to a lot of the people there and this is also, again, a representation of what the locals to say to me and the locals have to say to me and hopefully very shortly i might actually you actually be able to play you a little clip a chap called little clip from a chap called chris who was speaking chris martin, who was speaking to yesterday the impact to me yesterday about the impact of into his town. of mass migration into his town. we played you that clip earlier. ihope we played you that clip earlier. i hope to play that to you again in a couple moments time. but in a couple of moments time. but it me thinking, how it got me thinking, really, how on we possibly say

on earth can we possibly say that people are really that these people are are really contributing to economy in contributing to the economy in that this isn't a high that regard? this isn't a high level migration. one level of migration. and one thing that kept coming time level of migration. and one thintimet kept coming time level of migration. and one thintime andit coming time level of migration. and one thintime and timening time level of migration. and one thintime and time again time level of migration. and one thintime and time again forme level of migration. and one thin time and time again for me and time and time again for me was locals , local councillors, was locals, local councillors, local politicians , local local politicians, local activists saying that when they go round to people's houses and they go door knocking, they're seeing far too many people living ten people per house 19 people per house was one of the actual records that we seem to be able to set there. it seems to me to be incredibly easy to get to britain on whatever kind of visa or maybe even saying that you're coming on holiday that you're coming on a holiday and a little bit of work and then do a little bit of work and then do a little bit of work and then do a little bit of work and then just not go home. and i wanted to find out how easy it was to actually just stay . but was to actually just stay. but this the kind of person that this is the kind of person that i think other news outlets should be talking to a lot more. okay. i've just spoken to you there about people who in my book no way whatsoever book there is no way whatsoever that people are either that these people are either really legally or are really here legally or are contributing to our economy when

we talk about these net migration figures being at record highs, i have to be honest with you, suspect they honest with you, i suspect they are a lot higher. honest with you, i suspect they are a lot higher . and i spoke are a lot higher. and i spoke yesterday to a chap called chris martin, who owns a business in in in boston in lincolnshire. and he had this to say to me about the state of his town . about the state of his town. it's the major issue , as you can it's the major issue, as you can see or hear. it's it's the major issue, as you can see or hear . it's they're it's the major issue, as you can see or hear. it's they're all cttttnd— see or hear. it's they're all sitting there _ it's they're all sitting there drinking . just now sitting there drinking. just now entctde— sitting there drinking. just now entctde nv— sitting there drinking. just now outside my shop— sitting there drinking. just now outside my shop there was five sat outside my shop there was five cat tnene — outside my shop there was five sat there drinking— outside my shop there was five sat there drinking police car, patted— sat there drinking police car, patted nn— sat there drinking police car, pulled up, asked them to move , pulled up, asked them to move, pence— pulled up, asked them to move, eettce ca— pulled up, asked them to move, police car drove— pulled up, asked them to move, police car drove away. they dectded— police car drove away. they decided not— police car drove away. they decided not to— police car drove away. they decided not to move on my phone. nev— decided not to move on my phone. nev tve— decided not to move on my phone. nev t-ve det— decided not to move on my phone. nev t-ve get a— decided not to move on my phone. now i've got a video— decided not to move on my phone. now i've got a video of one of then — now i've got a video of one of then tact— now i've got a video of one of them just urinating up the door . and— them just urinating up the door . and tnc— them just urinating up the door . and tntc tc— them just urinating up the door . and this is all— them just urinating up the door . and this is all in— them just urinating up the door . and this is all in front of tnc— . and this is all in front of the council— . and this is all in front of the council offices as well. the cennctt— the council offices as well. the council office _ the council offices as well. the council office has— the council offices as well. the council office has the exact same view of— council office has the exact same view of me they don't same view of me and they don't do same view of me and they don't de-atent— same view of me and they don't de-atent tt— same view of me and they don't do-about it. not- same view of me and they don't do about it. not doing do anything about it. not doing anvtntnd— do anything about it. not doing anvtntng ante— do anything about it. not doing anything quite clearly . ' ti; anything quite clearly. arnie not anything quite clearly. arnie net enough— anything quite clearly. arnie not enough resources. you would have to go door to door in boston to see who was there and to check them. but it's all very well and good making out that we are net migration is great for

our gdp on a national picture, but you go to places like boston, you go to places like skegness, go to anywhere skegness, you go to anywhere around the uk that is really outside major and you ask outside a major city and you ask ordinary folk in those towns that have huge influx of that have seen a huge influx of rapid population growth and rapid population growth and rapid demographic change, and you them whether or not they you ask them whether or not they feel better for and feel the better for it. and all too often you will get the answer no , i absolutely don't . answer no, i absolutely don't. and those are the kind of places that gary lineker doesn't want to go to, doesn't want to see, certainly doesn't want to live, does certainly doesn't does he? he certainly doesn't want send his kids to school want to send his kids to school there. and no, that is the reality of the situation. i reality of the situation. but i can't feel as though can't help but feel as though that migration number is that net migration number is actually lower than what that net migration number is actuall'being lower than what that net migration number is actuall'being told er than what that net migration number is actuall'being told ofthan what that net migration number is actuall'being told of that what that net migration number is actuall'being told of that record we are being told of that record of 660,000, because i think we are not deporting people who have no right to be here and on top of that, when we look at this leak in the guardian, again from the civil service, it would appeanit from the civil service, it would appear, it would appear to be from civil service leaking from the civil service leaking against the democratically elected government minister saying, oh, suella braverman's

plan is unworkable. 3000 people a possibly a month. it can't possibly happen. possibly send happen. we can't possibly send that people to rwanda. that many people to rwanda. well, we possibly send well, no, we can't possibly send them can have them to rwanda, can we? we have a huge amount of other countries that we could send them to as well. cost of they well. and the cost of it, they say, it costs far too much say, well, it costs far too much to do it. well, how much does it cost us? how much does it cost us to not do if we continue us to not do it? if we continue to have illegal migration at these levels, if we continue to have illegal migration at these levels, how much is that going to cost us in the long run? but as i repeatedly being shouted at in my ear, it is now time to go to our website at simply head to gb news .com where you will find the best analysis and opinion as well as the latest breaking news. reminder that i've news. now a reminder that i've got interview coming a got a huge interview coming up a little in the show. little bit later on in the show. the who shoved two just the motorist who shoved two just stop protesters off road stop oil protesters off the road earlier week will be earlier this week will be speaking live to me a little later in the show. it's louis later on in the show. it's louis greaves. his name. he was greaves. that's his name. he was briefly on briefly detained by police on suspicion common assault of suspicion of common assault of course, the police did nothing suspicion of common assault of coursethee police did nothing suspicion of common assault of coursethe protestersd nothing suspicion of common assault of coursethe protestersd notwere about the protesters who were stopping going about

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on gb news britain's news. channel welcome back. a reminder that i have got a interview coming have got a huge interview coming up. a little later the up. a little bit later on in the show. motorist shoved to show. the motorist who shoved to just stop oil protesters off the road earlier this week. you're working man who got out of his van, who snapped and said enough is out of the road. is enough. get out of the road. well, i've got him. we said we wanted to track him down and thank much to whoever thank you very much to whoever managed to point his managed to point us in his direction. him. direction. but we have got him. louis is the man's name. louis greaves is the man's name. he was briefly by he was briefly detained by police on of common police on suspicion of common assault. course , the police assault. of course, the police did about the protesters did nothing about the protesters . in fact. well, they did. they were them an escort to were giving them an escort to the which is the streets of london, which is remarkable, so i'm remarkable, isn't it? so i'm going be chatting to louis going to be chatting to louis a little on in the show little bit later on in the show . he is little bit later on in the show . heisindeed little bit later on in the show . he is indeed viewed by many people as a national hero. but what do believe? it just what do you believe? it just stop. have stop. oil protesters have clashed with motorist again clashed with a motorist again today. a man drove his

today. this time a man drove his car on the pavement to get around eco activist. in around the eco activist. in fact, this man was saying that he's got a hospital appointment. a of people walked very a number of people walked very slowly old kent road slowly along the old kent road in south—east london. can't in south—east london. we can't play in south—east london. we can't play you audio on the clip, play you the audio on the clip, unfortunately, because there's quite a lot of swearing involved. but least two involved. but at least two police officers can be seen there. explaining that there. one is explaining that there. one is explaining that the he has the driver says he has a hospital appointment to which the protester just says he doesn't really believe it. and in end, motorist in the end, the motorist loses patience with what's going on. he on pavement and he gets on the pavement and drives off so that we go with me now, though, or no. in fact, today's flashpoint came 24 hours after three. just stop. oil activists were arrested after throwing orange paint over a display at the chelsea flower show. so there they were. they were lobbing paint. and one woman grabbed hose and doused woman grabbed a hose and doused them water. and other them with water. and other visitors said that they would join in as well. those incidents, of course, came after it emerged that policing just stop oil protests had cost the taxpayer £3.5 million in just a

month. campaigners have been staging protests every day since april the 24th and the met. police announced on wednesday that their bill for just police announced on wednesday that their bill forjust a month that their bill for just a month was £3.5 million. that's on top of the £75 million. it cost the police between october and december last year. police between october and december last year . taxpayers december last year. taxpayers money. your money. my money, my friends and family's money. and the met revealed that 11,000 officer shifts have been spent deaung officer shifts have been spent dealing with just stop oil 11,000 officer shifts when we've got stabbings and all of this stuff going on. i am joined now by james harvey, who is a spokesperson for just stop oil. james thank you very much. what right do you have to stop a man getting to a hospital appointment? what if he died? yeah. thanks for having me on, natnct. — yeah. thanks for having me on, natnct. ttn— yeah. thanks for having me on, patrick. it's quite,— yeah. thanks for having me on, patrick. c c. c. ft“ patrick. it's quite, quite an intro, actually. it's been a very busy few weeks for just stop oil yeah, it's really unfortunate that anyone is delayed in getting to any appointments, whether that's hospital appointments, work appointments. but the fact of the matter is, people are dying right now in in the uk and

abroad because of the crisis we're in about emissions that are that are caused by oil and gas. and the government. yeah, and that's the point,— d d yeah, and that's the point, james, tcn-t—canced- and that's the point, james, isn't—caused by. isn't it? it's not caused by that— isn't it? it's not caused by that ttete— isn't it? it's not caused by that bloke in— isn't it? it's not caused by that bloke in his car trying to get te— that bloke in his car trying to get te a— that bloke in his car trying to get to a hospital— that bloke in his car trying to get to a hospital appointment. i'll get to a hospital appointment. t-tt-adatn— get to a hospital appointment. t-tt-adatn .— get to a hospital appointment. i'll-again , what- get to a hospital appointment. i'll again , what right i'll ask you again, what right do i'll ask you again, what right de ven— i'll ask you again, what right de ven nave— i'll ask you again, what right do you have to— i'll ask you again, what right do you have to stop him getting necnttat— do you have to stop him getting hospital treatment ? hospital treatment? look, we've got hospital treatment? look, we've get a— hospital treatment? look, we've get a long— hospital treatment? look, we've got a long history of a peaceful protest in this country. that's the bought us our— “ ti.ti:t. that's the bought us our rights of needen— the bought us our rights of needen te— the bought us our rights of freedom to protest that has tenant— freedom to protest that has tenant dc— freedom to protest that has bought us our— freedom to protest that has bought us our rights of votes for women, lgbtq rights . we the for women, lgbtq rights. we the env— for women, lgbtq rights. we the entv vav— for women, lgbtq rights. we the entv vav ve— for women, lgbtq rights. we the entv vav ve cee— for women, lgbtq rights. we the only way we seem to be able to get chande— only way we seem to be able to get change, unfortunately, is tnendn— get change, unfortunately, is through civil— get change, unfortunately, is through civil resistance. e through civil resistance. is it working— through civil resistance. is it working e— through civil resistance. is it working ? well,— through civil resistance. is it working ? well, i— through civil resistance. is it working ? well, i think it is, working? well, i think it is, yes. all major political catec— yes. all major political panttec. apat- go; all major political parties, apart from the tories, nave— parties, apart from the tories, nave cadd— parties, apart from the tories, have said that— parties, apart from the tories, have said that they support just oil have said that they support just ett demand— have said that they support just oil demand of— have said that they support just oil demand of no— have said that they support just oil demand of no new oil and gas and— oil demand of no new oil and gas and ne— oil demand of no new oil and gas and no new coal— oil demand of no new oil and gas and no new coal as— oil demand of no new oil and gas and no new coal as well because the and no new coal as well because tne eeven-nnnentc— and no new coal as well because the government's going a bit mad and vantc— the government's going a bit mad and vantc te— the government's going a bit mad and wants to take— the government's going a bit mad and wants to take us back to the vtctenan— and wants to take us back to the vtctenan ade— and wants to take us back to the vtctenan age nn— and wants to take us back to the victorian age up north. so i tntnt— victorian age up north. so i tntnt tt— victorian age up north. so i tntnt tt tc— victorian age up north. so i think it is working and the naientv— think it is working and the naientv et— think it is working and the majority of the _ think it is working and the majority of the public do centen—

majority of the public do canteen en— majority of the public do support our demand. now the netnedc— support our demand. now the netnedc ae— support our demand. now the methods are going to be controversial. - methods are going to be controversial. .way they ? controversial. no way do they? well, they yeah , i think well, i think they yeah, i think i think most reasonable people know. there go. you see you know. there you go. you see you see you go. you're asking see there you go. you're asking people to trust you the people to trust you on the facts, you? you can't facts, aren't you? and you can't prove you know. no, no, you can't prove. can you live here on national television from your lovely gaff in norwich? you can't prove that most people really support your demands. because if i mean , they because if i mean, they objectively don't, do they? they objectively don't, do they? they objectively don't. if you've got massive proof that there's been lots of polls that have been done about about i mean gov.uk done about about i mean gov.uk do polls all the time about different things and i think the results are out there that people do understand that the climate crisis do, you know, be deau climate crisis do, you know, be dealt with? look, i know lots of etc— dealt with? look, i know lots of tetc et— dealt with? look, i know lots of tetc et nv— dealt with? look, i know lots of lots of my friends,— dealt with? look, i know lots of lots of my friends, lots- : “7 look, i know lots of lots of my friends, lots of my tanttv— lots of my friends, lots of my familvv tetc— lots of my friends, lots of my family, lots people that family, lots of people that i meet— family, lots of people that i neetltne— family, lots of people that i meet the streets just do meet on the streets just do centen— meet on the streets just do canteen en— meet on the streets just do support our demands. but let me just support our demands. but let me tact cav— support our demands. but let me tact savv tve— support our demands. but let me just say, i've-this— support our demands. but let me just say, i've this question support our demands. but let me jusask y, i've this question support our demands. but let me jusask you. e this question support our demands. but let me jusask you. okay. this question support our demands. but let me jusask you. okay. you question support our demands. but let me jusask you. okay. you say;tion support our demands. but let me jusask you. okay. you say wei to ask you. okay. you say we nave— to ask you. okay. you say we have a— to ask you. okay. you say we have a brief— to ask you. okay. you say we have a brief and— to ask you. okay. you say we have a brief and rapidly closing vtndev— have a brief and rapidly closing vtndev-a— have a brief and rapidly closing window a survivable window to secure a survivable tntne. — window to secure a survivable future. _should- window to secure a survivable future. - should we - window to secure a survivable future. should we do to future. what should we do to tecce— future. what should we do to because our corrupt criminal

because our corrupt and criminal devennnent— government aren't doing anvtntnge— government aren't doing anything? do? anything? what should we do? natnct— anything? what should we do? patrick-have— anything? what should we do? patrick-have to- anything? what should we do? patrick have to answer patrick i don't have to answer tnece— patrick i don't have to answer those questions.— patrick i don't have to answer those questions. _ patrick i don't have to answer those questions. int“? those questions. james. what i want to know is why you don't care about ordinary men and women getting to hospital appointments. and if you understand how deeply unlikeable do you come across as being ? do you come across as being? yeah, we're not we're not out to tnendc— yeah, we're not we're not out to win. friends it's— yeah, we're not we're not out to win. friends it's horrible . win. friends it's horrible. people— win. friends it's horrible. people ae— win. friends it's horrible. people are delayed, but we're tnvtnd— people are delayed, but we're nvtng te— people are delayed, but we're nvtng te tate— people are delayed, but we're trying to take action to save ttvec. — trying to take action to save ttvec. tt— trying to take action to save ttvec. tt ne — trying to take action to save lives. if he died,— trying to take action to save lives. if he died, would you e— lives. if he died, would you eon— lives. if he died, would you care ? oh, absolutely . well, care? oh, absolutely. well, there— care? oh, absolutely. well, there vac— care? oh, absolutely. well, there a— care? oh, absolutely. well, there was a person that laid eetttnd— there was a person that laid eetttne tnte— there was a person that laid getting into their father's tnnenat— getting into their father's funeral last— getting into their father's funeral last year. and i remember talking to a radio pnecenten— remember talking to a radio pnecenten at— remember talking to a radio presenter at the— remember talking to a radio presenter at the time. it was and— presenter at the time. it was avtnt tnat— presenter at the time. it was awful that anyone has to go tnendn— awful that anyone has to go through that. _ awful that anyone has to go through that. but you understand? .but. no, no, understand? no, but. no, no, no, no, no, no. you know what? no, no, no, no. you know what? terrorists say, right? are terrorists say, right? who are really ideological about their cause. really ideological about their cause . they say, i'm really cause. they say, i'm really sorry that people had to die. and then someone points out they didn't have to die , actually. so didn't have to die, actually. so when people like you come on shows like this and you say, oh, i'm really sorry that people have to, you're doing it, okay.

you're the one doing it, and you don't have to do that if you had any bottle whatsoever over, you would go to china and do it over there. because even if we announced all of the stuff , all announced all of the stuff, all of the stuff that you want us to do, it will make no difference whatsoever unless the likes of the chinese government get on board. so i will make you an offer again now. okay. i did this to somebody else in just a ball before. if i buy you a train ticket to beijing, will you go over there and protest over there? the government wants to open new oil and gas to open over 100 new oil and gas fields the north sea that fields in the north sea that aren't going to benefit us at all. well, why do i need to go to all. well, why do i need to go te een-nd— all. well, why do i need to go te beijing te— well, why do i need to go to beijing to protest when our own-government- to beijing to protest when our own government is making own corrupt government is making dectctenc— own corrupt government is making dectctenc tnat— own corrupt government is making decisions that are _ own corrupt government is making decisions that are endangering the decisions that are endangering tnc—neve- decisions that are endangering. tnc—nene-tact the atmosphere more in the last etdnt— the atmosphere more in the last dent—dene- eight years than we've done cce— eight years than we've done since-industy- eight years than we've done since industy revolution? since the industy revolution? and— since the industy revolution? and-teatttv— since the industy revolution? and-teatttv tc— since the industy revolution? and-reality is you- since the industy revolution? and-reality is you are- since the industy revolution? and the reality is you are very comfortable around comfortable sitting around in your cushy house in your lovely cushy house in norwich, ruining people's lives . ordinary working people in this country who go out and have

to work for a living. i don't know what you do. what do you do? i'm a project manager. you're a project manager, right. okay-— you're a project manager, right. otav. tevetv— you're a project manager, right. okay. lovely stuff.— you're a project manager, right. okay. lovely stuff. so _ you're a project manager, right. okay. lovely stuff. so you- you're a project manager, right. okay. lovely stuff. so you have really no idea what it's like to have in a white van every have to get in a white van every single morning. put your overalls and out and fight overalls on and go out and fight day in, day out for a £10 cash in hand. £20 cash in hand. right. these people, these people have to do that. but people who have to do that. but you'll sit there and you'll pontificate. all right. you pontificate. all right. but you won't have the backbone won't actually have the backbone to to china and stick it to to go to china and stick it to the people who are doing most of the people who are doing most of the damage. will the people who are doing most of the look damage. will the people who are doing most of the look , damage. will the people who are doing most of the look , you've damage. will the people who are doing most of the look , you've saidnage. will the people who are doing most of the look , you've said it ge. will you look, you've said it yourself. we've got a long ntctenv— yourself. we've got a long ntctenv et— we've got a long history of emissions in this cenntnv— history of emissions in this cennnv. vte-ne— history of emissions in this country. we're still opening new oil country. we're still opening new ed and— country. we're still opening new ed and dac— country. we're still opening new oil and gas fields.— country. we're still opening new oil and gas fields. we need to tate— oil and gas fields. we need to take ectden— oil and gas fields. we need to take action here— oil and gas fields. we need to take action here against our cnntnat— take action here against our criminal government. we can do that.— criminal government. we can do tnat. t— criminal government. we can do that. i acknowledge that i'm in a pnvtteeed— that. i acknowledge that i'm in a privileged position. take it adatnct— a privileged position. take it. adatnct—wnv a privileged position. take it- adatnct—wnv against the government. why are you against the government. why are ven—neentel you taking it out against people like why are you taking it like me? why are you taking it out against ordinary working class you go class people? why don't you go and out? the government. and take it out? the government. you're a professional nuisance. because that civil because we know that civil nectcancet— because we know that civil resistance works. getting out. tt-c— resistance works. getting out. tt-c net— resistance works. getting out. it's not working.— resistance works. getting out. it's not working. protest. not

that— it's not working. protest. not that t— it's not working. protest. not that it causes— it's not working. protest. not that it causes the tension . it that it causes the tension. it tnc— that it causes the tension. it causes the discourse that gets us causes the discourse that gets nc en pregnanc— causes the discourse that gets us on programs like this. tatnct— us on programs like this. tatnct tt— us on programs like this. patrick it gets- us on programs like this. patrick it gets the government to patrick it gets the government te-and— patrick it gets the government te-and tne— patrick it gets the government to and the government are to react and the government are neacttnd— to react and the government are reacting-moment.- to react and the government are reacting moment. they are reacting at the moment. they are canne.— reacting at the moment. they are canne-cadd— reacting at the moment. they are reacting. _said they- reacting. and you said they veent— reacting. and you said they weren't-around- reacting. and you said they weren't around to no reacting. and you said they- weren't-around to no new weren't coming around to no new oil weren't coming around to no new ett-vntcn— weren't coming around to no new oil-whichlwhat- weren't coming around to no new oil-which .what we i oil and gas, which is what we need— oil and gas, which is what we need-enven— oil and gas, which is what we need .anyone that- oil and gas, which is what we need anyone that gets need now. anyone that gets dtcnneted— need now. anyone that gets disrupted again, it's really regrettable, _ disrupted again, it's really regrettable, going regrettable, but it's going to nappen— regrettable, but it's going to nappen-tenn - regrettable, but it's going to happen-form of- regrettable, but it's going to happen form of protest . happen in any form of protest. okay-— happen in any form of protest. otav. teat.— happen in any form of protest. okay. look, james,— happen in any form of protest. okay. look, james, i'm- happen in any form of protest. okay. look, james, i'm going to leave you there. i hope you enjoy your massive cushy pad in norwich lovely job as a norwich and your lovely job as a project manager you know, project manager where you know, you absolutely you probably get to absolutely rake you rake it in whilst you inconvenience, know, inconvenience, you know, ordinary people. on way to hospital appointments by james james harvey there is a spokesperson just stop oil spokesperson for just stop oil right still to come right loads more still to come between now and 6:00 cyclist who were male to be banned were born male are to be banned from elite female from racing in elite female british cycling events. and i will be speaking to the scaffolder who apprehended scaffolder who was apprehended by earlier this week scaffolder who was apprehended by he earlier this week scaffolder who was apprehended by he pushed' this week scaffolder who was apprehended by he pushed justv week scaffolder who was apprehended by he pushed just stop< scaffolder who was apprehended by he pushed just stop oil after he pushed just stop oil activists off a road in central london. it is not to be missed , london. it is not to be missed, but now is your headlines but right now is your headlines with . thank you very much,

with rory. thank you very much, patent.— with rory. thank you very much, natnct. a— with rory. thank you very much, natnct. a nan— with rory. thank you very much, patrick. a man has— 3133 thank you very much, patrick. a man has been jailed for patrick. a man has been jailed ten ttne— patrick. a man has been jailed ten ttte vtn— patrick. a man has been jailed for life with a— patrick. a man has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 32 for life with a minimum term of ca veanc— for life with a minimum term of ca veanc ten— for life with a minimum term of 32 years for the _ for life with a minimum term of 32 years for the murder of 15 nentn— 32 years for the murder of 15 nentn etd— 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob— 32 years for the murder of 15 month old jacob lennon . jake month old jacob lennon. jake dnnnnend— month old jacob lennon. jake drummond, the— month old jacob lennon. jake drummond, the partner of the teddten-c— drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother,— drummond, the partner of the toddler's mother, was jailed tettevtnd— toddler's mother, was jailed tettevtnd a— toddler's mother, was jailed following a campaign of cruel and— following a campaign of cruel and sadistic— following a campaign of cruel and sadistic abuse . the boy and sadistic abuse. the boy centered— and sadistic abuse. the boy suffered multiple injuries over a tnce— suffered multiple injuries over atnee vect— suffered multiple injuries over a three week period in 2019. the vtcttn-c— a three week period in 2019. the victim's mother,— a three week period in 2019. the victim's mother, louise lennon, jailed— victim's mother, louise lennon, iatted ten— victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten— victim's mother, louise lennon, was jailed for ten years for attevtnd— was jailed for ten years for allowing jacob's death . in in allowing jacob's death. in in etnen— allowing jacob's death. in in etnen ec— allowing jacob's death. in in other news, the— allowing jacob's death. in in other news, the parents of a ten nentn — other news, the parents of a ten nentn etd — other news, the parents of a ten nentn etd nev— other news, the parents of a ten month old boy who— other news, the parents of a ten month old boy who murdered him on month old boy who murdered him en cnnctnac— month old boy who murdered him on christmas day— month old boy who murdered him on christmas day in— month old boy who murdered him on christmas day in 2020 have teen— on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed— on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for— on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for life— on christmas day in 2020 have been jailed for life . findlay been jailed for life. findlay nevden-c— been jailed for life. findlay bowden's mother, shannon ttentcen— bowden's mother, shannon ttentcen .— bowden's mother, shannon morrison , was— bowden's mother, shannon morrison , was given a minimum of morrison, was given a minimum of 27 morrison, was given a minimum of at veanc— morrison, was given a minimum of at veanc vnttct— morrison, was given a minimum of 27 years whilst his— morrison, was given a minimum of 27 years whilst his father, steven — 27 years whilst his father, steven bowden, was given a nnntnnn— steven bowden, was given a et— steven bowden, was given a minimum of 29— steven bowden, was given a minimum of 29 years. the baby taken— minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into— minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care— minimum of 29 years. the baby was taken into care shortly atten— was taken into care shortly atten ntntn— was taken into care shortly after birth due— was taken into care shortly after birth due to child protection— after birth due to child protection concerns, but he was but— protection concerns, but he was put tact— protection concerns, but he was put tact tnte— protection concerns, but he was put back into his— protection concerns, but he was put back into his parents care tact— put back into his parents care tact ect— put back into his parents care tact ea davc— put back into his parents care just 39 days before he died , the

just 39 days before he died, the ttnct— just 39 days before he died, the first minister— just 39 days before he died, the first minister of— just 39 days before he died, the first minister of wales is cnatnnd— first minister of wales is cnatnnd a— first minister of wales is chairing a community meeting in candttt— chairing a community meeting in candttt atten— chairing a community meeting in cardiff after the— chairing a community meeting in cardiff after the deaths of two teenadenc— cardiff after the deaths of two teenagers sparked a riot . 16 teenagers sparked a riot. 16 vea— teenagers sparked a riot. 16 vean etd— teenagers sparked a riot. 16 year old kyrees— teenagers sparked a riot. 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 vea— year old kyrees sullivan and 15 vean etd— year old kyrees sullivan and 15 vean etd nanev— year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans were ttned— year old harvey evans were killed while— year old harvey evans were killed while riding an e—bike . killed while riding an e—bike. tnc— killed while riding an e—bike. tne pence— killed while riding an e—bike. the police watchdog is investigating after cctv footage enended— investigating after cctv footage emerged showing— investigating after cctv footage emerged showing a police van tettevtnd— emerged showing a police van following the— emerged showing a police van following the teens before their deatnc— following the teens before their deatnc .— following the teens before their deatnc . pope— following the teens before their deaths . pope francis has skipped deaths. pope francis has skipped neettndc— deaths. pope francis has skipped neettnec tedav— deaths. pope francis has skipped meetings today because of a teven — meetings today because of a teven tnc— meetings today because of a fever. the vatican hasn't pnevtded— fever. the vatican hasn't provided anv— fever. the vatican hasn't provided any further details on the provided any further details on tne ce— provided any further details on tne cc vea— provided any further details on the 86 year old's_ provided any further details on the 86 year old's health, but nac— the 86 year old's health, but nac cadd— the 86 year old's health, but nac catd ne— the 86 year old's health, but has said he didn't receive anenev— has said he didn't receive anenev .— has said he didn't receive anenev . tn— has said he didn't receive anyone . in audience this anyone. in audience this morning-— anyone. in audience this morning- tt-c— anyone. in audience this morning. it's after he spent nve— morning. it's after he spent ttve davc— morning. it's after he spent ttve davc tn— morning. it's after he spent five days in hospital at the end of five days in hospital at the end et ttancn— five days in hospital at the end et ttancn ten— five days in hospital at the end of march for bronchi. itis tnat-c— of march for bronchi. itis tnat-c tt— of march for bronchi. itis that's it for— of march for bronchi. itis that's it for now. but you can get— that's it for now. but you can get nee— that's it for now. but you can get en— that's it for now. but you can get more on all— that's it for now. but you can get more on all of- that's it for now. but you can get more on all of those stories by vtctttnd— get more on all of those stories by vtctttng en— get more on all of those stories by visiting our website. that is gb by visiting our website. that is en newc— by visiting our website. that is en tevc — by visiting our website. that is en tevc .— by visiting our website. that is gb news .com . _ by visiting our website. that is gb news .com . j ”(1th by visiting our website. that is gb news .com . j ”chic gb news .com. direct bullion

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louis, you there ? yeah. all louis, are you there? yeah. all right, louis. yes good stuff, mate. okay. fantastic. can i just say we had an absolute explosion of love and support for you? my good man. thank you very much for talking to us over the phone . can i just. first and the phone. can i just. first and foremost, first, i would love to offer to buy you a pint. so if you're ever in the area around the paddington riviera, please do give me a shout, because i would love to buy you a pint. but can i just ask what was going on for you? what was going through your head at the time? what happened? so of course i was what happened? so of course i atneadv— what happened? so of course i was already troubles— what happened? so of course i was already troubles on- int“? 37 so of course i was already troubles on the nattvavc. — was already troubles on the railways. anyway,- was already troubles on the railways. ' "g v?“t: was already troubles on the railways. ' v?“t: “at: railways. anyway, and i've had to off the train station . i to get off the train station. i was in the car and all that nvtnd— was in the car and all that nvtng te— was in the car and all that nvtng te eet— was in the car and all that trying to get over the bridge and— trying to get over the bridge and then— trying to get over the bridge and then et— trying to get over the bridge and then of course, just ctandtnd— and then of course, just. ctandtnd—ne and then of course, just- standing_me even standing there making me even nee-ten— standing there making me even more-for work. _ standing there making me even more-for work. um,- standing there making me even more for work. v?“t: more late for work. um, and the police, there's two police officers just standing there looking at them like they're not doing jobs. so if they doing their jobs. so if they can't do doing their jobs. so if they cant de t.— doing their jobs. so if they can't do it,-the- doing their jobs. so if they. can't do it,-the members doing their jobs. so if they- can't do it,-the members of can't do it, then the members of the can't do it, then the members of tne enenc— can't do it, then the members of the public start— can't do it, then the members of the public start-it- can't do it, then the members of the public start it for the public start doing it for then —vnat|

the public start doing it for. them. _what were the public start doing it for- them. _what were you them. how do you what were you what is your job mate? do you what is yourjob mate? do you mind me what is your job mate? do you mind me asking,— what is your job mate? do you mind me asking, what- what is your job mate? do you mind me asking, what is- 7 do you mind me asking, what is it that you— mind me asking, what is it that ven dee— mind me asking, what is it that you do? because— mind me asking, what is it that you do? because you were etvtenctv— you do? because you were obviously pretty desperate to get obviously pretty desperate to eet-vent— obviously pretty desperate to get-work that— obviously pretty desperate to get work that day. yeah, i'm get to work that day. yeah, i'm a scaffolder,— get to work that day. yeah, i'm a scaffolder, so— get to work that day. yeah, i'm a scaffolder, so of— get to work that day. yeah, i'm a scaffolder, so of course i nave— a scaffolder, so of course i nave-det— a scaffolder, so of course i have .getlwork- a scaffolder, so of course i have get work like some have to get to work like some tetc. — have to get to work like some vetc. vea— have to get to work like some vetc. you an— have to get to work like some jobs. you can get— have to get to work like some jobs. /t:::t. i“ gig have to get to work like some jobs. /t1::t. i 1“ 911i. jobs. you can get lots of people. there are some jobs you don't. so of course, that this job we didn't have many people there. to be in. there. so i need to be in. otherwise everyone else is going to so i to to struggle as well. so i had to be work and when you gave be in work and when you gave them a shove , what were the them a shove, what were the police say ? what were the police police say? what were the police cavtnd — police say? what were the police cavtnd te — police say? what were the police cavtne te you?— police say? what were the police cavtne te you? — police say? what were the police saying to you? well,— ti.t1i; 7 what were the police saying to you? �*ftt�*ti;.. ti.t1i; 7 what were the police saying to you? radix. saying to you? well, they were swearing at me and just pushing me to push me onto one the other side of the road and then back into the other side and then into the other side and then into a van. but they were just sitting there swearing at me and shouting at me and then that was it really . they just kept on it really. they just kept on asking for my name and address and everything like that. just saying never said i was saying they never said i was detained for breach of the peace . originally they said i was detained for common assault and of course then the next morning

, um, they ended up they ended up just dropping everything. they said the case was closed. yeah well, a bit of common sense prevailed there. i mean, i would centenctv— prevailed there. i mean, i would seriously question,— .t1i;t: .“t1i;it1i; i mean, i would seriously question, though, why on seriously question, though, why en cann— seriously question, though, why en earth that— seriously question, though, why on earth that this— seriously question, though, why on earth that this lot of nnnpttec— on earth that this lot of numpties are- on earth that this lot of numpties are given a police eccent— numpties are given a police escort through— numpties are given a police escort through the streets of tenden— escort through the streets of london, stopping people like you eetttnd— london, stopping people like you eetttnd te— london, stopping people like you getting to work?— london, stopping people like you getting to work? i— london, stopping people like you getting to work? i have just actuattv— getting to work? i have just actually had— getting to work? i have just actually had one of those nnnnttec— actually had one of those numpties on— actually had one of those numpties on this show a few nenentc— numpties on this show a few moments-from - numpties on this show a few moments from his absolute moments ago from his absolute nacctvetn-— moments ago from his absolute massive in norwich where, massive house in norwich where, of massive house in norwich where, et ne— massive house in norwich where, of course he works— massive house in norwich where, of course he works as a project manage— of course he works as a project manage and— of course he works as a project manager and therefore clearly deec—de- manager and therefore clearly deec—de and- manager and therefore clearly does go and graft does not have to go and graft even— does not have to go and graft evenv ctnete— does not have to go and graft evenv ctngte dav.— does not have to go and graft every single day. and would every single day. and what would you every single day. and what would ven cav— every single day. and what would ven cav te— every single day. and what would ven cav te pebble— every single day. and what would you say to people like him who say,— you say to people like him who cav-neattv— you say to people like him who cav-neattv cenv- you say to people like him who say, really sorry, but we say, we're really sorry, but we nave— say, we're really sorry, but we have te— say, we're really sorry, but we have teltntc— say, we're really sorry, but we have to .this to _ say, we're really sorry, but we have to this to you because have to do this to you because vetc-dend— have to do this to you because we're-goinglburn- have to do this to you because we're going burn to death we're all going to burn to death if we're all going to burn to death tt-e — we're all going to burn to death tt-e teat.— we're all going to burn to death if-? yeah, well,- we're all going to burn to death. if-? yeah, well, there's if we don't? yeah, well, there's a the thing i probably would say i probably couldn't say live on air, but it's one of them i don't see because they can send 20 police officers to a bunch of kids playing in a park, but then they want to send two officers to 20 protest to standing in the middle of london making the whole of london angry . i just whole of london angry. i just

don't see how that's logical. and then they say they've invested money all that and invested money and all that and putting 11,000 officers onto the street protesters. street to stop the protesters. so why was there only two at this incident ? it does seem this incident? it does seem ven-e— this incident? it does seem you're cavtnd— this incident? it does seem you're saying you're- “i. : 7 it does seem you're saying you're saying what nanttv— you're saying you're saying what nanttv .— you're saying you're saying what nanttv . enettv— you're saying you're saying what frankly , pretty much everyone's frankly, pretty much everyone's tntnttnd— frankly, pretty much everyone's tntnttnd .— frankly, pretty much everyone's thinking. right.— frankly, pretty much everyone's thinking . right. which frankly, pretty much everyone's thinking. right. which is you want— thinking. right. which is you want te— thinking. right. which is you want te det— thinking. right. which is you want to get to— thinking. right. which is you want to get to work, you have to be at— want to get to work, you have to be at vent. — want to get to work, you have to be at work. these— want to get to work, you have to be at work. these these people need— be at work. these these people need te— be at work. these these people need te te— be at work. these these people need to be moved— be at work. these these people need to be moved off the road. and— need to be moved off the road. and why— need to be moved off the road. and vnv ae— need to be moved off the road. and vnv ven— need to be moved off the road. and why are you the one who's eetttnd— and why are you the one who's getting targeted _ and why are you the one who's getting targeted by the police and at— getting targeted by the police and ad et— getting targeted by the police and all of this?— getting targeted by the police and all of this? what would you say and all of this? what would you cav te— and all of this? what would you cav te pebble— and all of this? what would you say to people who— and all of this? what would you say to people who say, hey, you evenctepped— say to people who say, hey, you overstepped the _ say to people who say, hey, you overstepped the mark, you were a bit overstepped the mark, you were a at neavv— overstepped the mark, you were a bit heavy handed— overstepped the mark, you were a bit heavy handed with them? well no, bit heavy handed with them? well t— bit heavy handed with them? well t den-t— bit heavy handed with them? well no, i don't think— bit heavy handed with them? well no, i don't think i— bit heavy handed with them? well no, i don't think i was . no, i don't think i was. nev-ve— no, i don't think i was. they've done— no, i don't think i was. they've done it- no, i don't think i was. they've done it multiple times now. they've stopped traffic on motorways and in central london, you can see they've destroyed things. and i don't think they should be allowed to carry on going along with this. of course , there's incidents before , there's been incidents before where run them over where someone has run them over and the police can see there's like things are happening and they're not going to keep

they're not going to keep they're not going to keep they're not going to stop. but they're not going to stop. but the thing that i don't understand is that the members of public don't decide how the government that money on government spends that money on technically. why are they why technically. so why are they why are they targeting us? is that your main thing, which is go on, carry on, may carry on, carry on with us. you. i just don't understand why they're going to attack the members of public and ruin their days and stop, stop them from earning money when the people they're stopping from getting to work are the people paying getting to work are the people paying their taxes, which actually which course, paying their taxes, which actlmoney which course, paying their taxes, which actlmoney addshich course, paying their taxes, which actlmoney adds upi course, paying their taxes, which actlmoney adds up into course, paying their taxes, which actlmoney adds up into thatve, paying their taxes, which actlmoney adds up into that fund the money adds up into that fund that the government gets to spend. what what why would they stop what would message stop it? what would your message to just stop oil be? if you want to just stop oil be? if you want to have to just stop oil be? if you want te have a— to just stop oil be? if you want te have a neat— to just stop oil be? if you want to have a real effect,— to just stop oil be? if you want to have a real effect, go- cj . zttii7 if you want to have a real effect, go to the people— to have a real effect, go to the pebble tnat— to have a real effect, go to the pebble tnat can— to have a real effect, go to the people that can actually make a cnande— people that can actually make a change vntcn— people that can actually make a change which they're not. um, do you change which they're not. um, do ven ntnt— change which they're not. um, do ven tntnt de— change which they're not. um, do ven tntnt de ven— change which they're not. um, do you think do you think that just sten— you think do you think that just step ett— you think do you think that just step on ae— you think do you think that just stop oil are against the working ctacc— stop oil are against the working ctacc e— stop oil are against the working ctacc evvett— stop oil are against the working class ? well yeah.— stop oil are against the working class ? well yeah. i think that class? well yeah. i think that nect— class? well yeah. i think that nect et— class? well yeah. i think that most of them— class? well yeah. i think that most of them don't have jobs.

as most of them don't have jobs. ac vea— most of them don't have jobs. ac ven an— most of them don't have jobs. ac ven — most of them don't have jobs. as you can see. they- most of them don't have jobs. as you can see. they perfectly got enough time in their days to sit in the middle of the road so they don't understand that nowadays things have gone up in price . if you don't if you don't price. if you don't if you don't work , you don't earn. if you work, you don't earn. if you don't earn, then you're going to struggle paying your bills. you're going to struggle. putting table . and putting food on your table. and your message, presumably to the police or to government would be, you know, instead of having the police officers there walking them through the street, why don't they have police officers making sure you get to work ? exactly. exactly the same work? exactly. exactly the same as what germany did. you see six protesters walk into the middle of the road. it didn't even get a chance to actually sit down. and then ofsted gone straight over them, pulled them off and pulled them to the side. it took over them, pulled them off and pltook them to the side. it took over them, pulled them off and pltook 10sn to the side. it took over them, pulled them off and pltook 10s instead. side. it took over them, pulled them off and pltook 10s instead. we'reit took it took 10s instead. we're paying it took 10s instead. we're paying police officers a full day's wage to sit there and follow about would you do follow them. about would you do it follow them. about would you do tt adatn— follow them. about would you do tt adatn e — follow them. about would you do it again ? um . um i would do it

it again? um. um i would do it again. i don't. i say that on a level. i don't think what i did was wrong. no no. but of course, as most people grow up having being told by their parents because violence is wrong , because violence is wrong, there's violence and then there's violence and then there's violence and then there's violence . louis, isn't there's violence. louis, isn't that.— there's violence. louis, isn't tnat. ven— there's violence. louis, isn't that, you know,— there's violence. louis, isn't that, you know, and- there's violence. louis, isn't that, you know, and i- .“t1:;it1i; , i louis, isn't that, you know, and i look at tnc— that, you know, and i look at tne pettce. — that, you know, and i look at the police. the— that, you know, and i look at the police. ti.t1i; i“ that, you know, and i look at the police. ti.t1i; i 1“ i the police. the police can come over and if i push them, i push them protest . and the police can them protest. and the police can be double as violent as how i was and then start swearing at me and then say they're going to arrest me the things they're arrest me for the things they're doing i i don't doing anyway. i don't i don't see would them officers not see why would them officers not detain . they've just done detain. they've just done exactly the same if not exactly the same thing. if not pushed . you think the pushed me further. you think the pence— pushed me further. you think the pettce etttcen— pushed me further. you think the police officer should— pushed me further. you think the police officer should have- : you think the police officer should have been the police officer should have been tne ec— police officer should have been the ones arrested— police officer should have been the ones arrested ? i believe the ones arrested? i believe there— the ones arrested? i believe there vac— the ones arrested? i believe there was two— the ones arrested? i believe there was two officers, and i tetteve— there was two officers, and i believe that _ there was two officers, and i believe that white officer was a lot believe that white officer was a tet vac— believe that white officer was a lot was violent. _ believe that white officer was a lot was violent. ' “t: believe that white officer was a lot was violent. '1“t: “at: lot was violent. and i've had a lot was violent. and i've had a lot of messages saying that it looks like that police officer was out to hurt me. i, of course, i don't believe it. don't get me wrong. i do. i

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okay. welcome back, everybody. right. who were right. okay so cyclists who were born male are to be banned from racing in elite british racing in elite female british cycling events , which think we cycling events, which i think we can agree is common sense. can all agree is common sense. under new policy published under a new policy published today be split into today, racing will be split into two female male and two categories. female male and open.i two categories. female male and open. i am joined now by olympic silver medallist sharon davies. sharon, thank you very much for hanging on the line for us for a little while there. a victory for common sense . absolutely. i for common sense. absolutely. i tt-c— for common sense. absolutely. i mean, it's taken— for common sense. absolutely. i mean, it's taken us— for common sense. absolutely. i mean, it's taken us quite- i1“ absolutely. i mean, it's taken us quite a long ttne— mean, it's taken us quite a long ttne te— mean, it's taken us quite a long ttne te get— mean, it's taken us quite a long ttne te get te— mean, it's taken us quite a long time to get to this— mean, it's taken us quite a long time to get to this point. /t1::t. time to get to this point. you knew.— time to get to this point. you knew. and— time to get to this point. you know, and obviously- time to get to this point. you know, and obviously world swimming, world athletics have done this. and at long last now cvcttng— done this. and at long last now cvcttng tn— done this. and at long last now cvcttng tn tnc— done this. and at long last now cycling in this country- : and at long last now cycling in this country , not cycling in this country, not vend— cycling in this country, not world cycling,— cycling in this country, not world cycling, unfortunately, tat— world cycling, unfortunately, tat-tnev-tt- world cycling, unfortunately, but they'll follow but hopefully they'll follow tater— but hopefully they'll follow tater-vea.— but hopefully they'll follow. later-year. _we later this year. you know, we knew— later this year. you know, we know-moment- later this year. you know, we know moment there is no know at the moment there is no way— know at the moment there is no vav tnat— know at the moment there is no vav tnat ven— know at the moment there is no way that you mitigate way that you can mitigate agatnct— way that you can mitigate against puberty. so we way that you can mitigate- against-puberty. so we were against male puberty. so we were acttng—ctantl asking female athletes to start tnen— asking female athletes to start tnen cec— asking female athletes to start their races knowing that the nec— their races knowing that the nnen-then.- their races knowing that the person-them, if- their races knowing that the person them, if they person next to them, if they were transgender woman, had had an—and— were transgender woman, had had an—and tnat— were transgender woman, had had an_and that just- were transgender woman, had had an and that just was an advantage and that just was never—nad- an advantage and that just was never—had fair- an advantage and that just was never had fair sport never fair. so we had fair sport for never fair. so we had fair sport ten-and— never fair. so we had fair sport for-and unfair- never fair. so we had fair sport for and unfair sport for for males and unfair sport for tenatec—getl for males and unfair sport for. females—got fair

females and now we've got fair ceeat— females and now we've got fair ceeat ten— females and now we've got fair cgent ten netn— females and now we've got fair sport for both of— females and now we've got fair sport for both of them. the open categenv— sport for both of them. the open categenv tc— sport for both of them. the open categenv tc a— sport for both of them. the open category is a great— sport for both of them. the open category is a great way of nattng— category is a great way of nattng cne— category is a great way of making sure that everybody is tnctnded— making sure that everybody is. included _everybody included and of course everybody cnentd— included and of course everybody should-included.— included and of course everybody should-included. _ included and of course everybody should included. “43? 1“ should be included. yeah, atcetatetv. — should be included. yeah, absolutely. irony, absolutely. i mean, the irony, of of the of course, is that some of the full bodied men who were competing in women's sports wouldn't the wouldn't even qualify for the elite men anyway. elite levels of the men anyway. so probably unlikely so we're probably unlikely to see all. now but see most of them at all. now but why has this been such a fight, sharon? why? why does this matter much you? yeah, matter so much to you? yeah, good question. isn't- matter so much to you? yeah, good question. isn't it?- 1.ti.1“ 7 yeah, good question. isn't it? mean, good question. isn't it? i mean, engtnattv— good question. isn't it? i mean, engtnattv-ttgnt— originally the fight started vtn— originally the fight started vttn a— originally the fight started vttn a ven— originally the fight started with a very bad decision from tnc— with a very bad decision from tne tec— with a very bad decision from tne toc and— with a very bad decision from the ioc and they— with a very bad decision from the ioc and they they didn't tetnen— the ioc and they they didn't bother-look— the ioc and they they didn't bother-look-of- the ioc and they they didn't bother look of the bother to look at any of the science whatsoever. they tttenattv—tei science whatsoever. they. literally _to the literally just listened to the pnegaganda— literally just listened to the propaganda. didn't invite propaganda. they didn't invite any propaganda. they didn't invite anv atttetec— propaganda. they didn't invite any athletes. they didn't invite cctenttctc— any athletes. they didn't invite scientists across— any athletes. they didn't invite scientists across spectrum. any athletes. they didn't invite scienjust across spectrum. any athletes. they didn't invite scienjust across thisvpectrum. any athletes. they didn't invite scienjust across this sweeping they just passed this sweeping ctatenent— they just passed this sweeping statement that— they just passed this sweeping statement that until it could be nneved— statement that until it could be proved different— statement that until it could be proved different ,— statement that until it could be proved different , that there was proved different, that there was no proved different, that there was ne advantage— proved different, that there was no advantage being no advantage to being a transgender— no advantage to being a transgender well, no advantage to being a- transgender-well, that's transgender woman. well, that's ndtcntenc— transgender woman. well, that's ridiculous because— transgender woman. well, that's ridiculous because like ridiculous because that's like cavtng— ridiculous because that's like saying advantage to saying there's no advantage to tetng— saying there's no advantage to tetng a— saying there's no advantage to tetng a mate.— saying there's no advantage to being a male. and yet we have and— being a male. and yet we have men and women's— being a male. and yet we have men and women's sport and we nave— men and women's sport and we naveeeven-t- have done for forever for etvtenc— have done for forever for obvious-and. have done for forever for obvious and so have done for forever for. obvious-and so it have done for forever for- obvious-and so it was obvious reasons. and so it was neattv— obvious reasons. and so it was neattv tnat— obvious reasons. and so it was really that emphasis should obvious reasons. and so it was reallybeen emphasis should obvious reasons. and so it was reallybeen on emphasis should obvious reasons. and so it was reallybeen on theiphasis should obvious reasons. and so it was reallybeen on the world; should have been on the world of transgender— have been on the world of transgender sports say, transgender sports to say, .ggn, — transgender sports to say, .ggn, prove— transgender sports to say, right, prove that there is right, prove to us that there is no right, prove to us that there is ne advantage— right, prove to us that there is no advantage that still netatned. — no advantage that still retained. course no advantage that still-

retained. _course they retained. and of course they cant— retained. and of course they cant de— retained. and of course they can't do that. _ retained. and of course they can't do that. there's been 17 ctndtec— can't do that. there's been 17 ctndtecltan— can't do that. there's been 17 studies-far and— can't do that. there's been 17 studies far and not a single studies so far and not a single eneac-n— studies so far and not a single one-has shown- studies so far and not a single one has shown that. one of them has shown that. tact— one of them has shown that. tact-stam- one of them has shown that. i just-sharon,-about just quickly, sharon, what about some compensation or some form of compensation or reparation of those reparation for all of those women who whether it's women who lost, whether it's gold medals , prize money, gold medals, prize money, sponsorship deals, whatever it is, even, in fact, just is, or even, in fact, just dreams, right? you get a lot of college athletes in america, for example, might fallen example, who might have fallen foul kind thing. what foul of this kind of thing. what about form of compensation about some form of compensation opfion about some form of compensation option for them, do you think? yeah, mean, we haven't had too yeah, i mean, we haven't had too nanv— yeah, i mean, we haven't had too many situations— yeah, i mean, we haven't had too many situations-in- yeah, i mean, we haven't had too many situations in the uk. many situations here in the uk. it's many situations here in the uk. tt-c-vence— many situations here in the uk. tt-c-vence tn— many situations here in the uk. it's worse in america at it's much worse in america at tnc— it's much worse in america at tne nenent— it's much worse in america at the moment. american cycling, it's much worse in america at the mo 50nt. american cycling, it's much worse in america at the mo 50 transgender:an cycling, it's much worse in america at the mo 50 transgender:an cycliiso there's 50 transgender women. so tnat-c— there's 50 transgender women. so tnat-c tranc— there's 50 transgender women. so that's trans identifying males tnat— that's trans identifying males that ae— that's trans identifying males that tn— that's trans identifying males that are in women's sport that are in elite women's sport cvcttng. — that are in elite women's sport cvcttng. and— that are in elite women's sport cvcttng. and ce— that are in elite women's sport cycling. and so there's a lot of people— cycling. and so there's a lot of acetate tnat— cycling. and so there's a lot of acetate tnat ae— cycling. and so there's a lot of people that are missing out in the people that are missing out in tne ctatec— people that are missing out in the states who've— the states who've just had a young— the states who've just had a venng gtn— the states who've just had a venng gtn tn— the states who've just had a young girl in their california nact— young girl in their california tract-vne- young girl in their california. track _who _forth young girl in their california- track _who _forth . track and field who came forth. tnene— track and field who came forth. there-transgender- track and field who came forth. there transgender athlete there was a transgender athlete tnat— there was a transgender athlete tnat-cecend.— there was a transgender athlete that-second, and- there was a transgender athlete that second, and now she that was second, and now she deecn-t— that was second, and now she doesn't qualify— that was second, and now she doesn't qualify to— that was second, and now she doesn't qualify to go through to the doesn't qualify to go through to tneltne— doesn't qualify to go through to the .the state _ doesn't qualify to go through to the the state championships. the to the state championships. and— the to the state championships. and-young— the to the state championships. and-venng-vttnl the to the state championships. and young with her and that's a young girl with her dneanc— and that's a young girl with her dreams,-know,_ and that's a young girl with her dreams,-know,.the- dreams, you know, so the engnactc— dreams, you know, so the emphasis on the emphasis has always been on the dneanc— emphasis has always been on the dreams transgender dreams of the transgender athtete— dreams of the transgender athlete.-one's- dreams of the transgender athlete. one's been athlete. but no one's been tattng—et- athlete. but no one's been taking _of the l athlete. but no one's been- taking_of the dreams taking any notice of the dreams of taking any notice of the dreams et tnc— taking any notice of the dreams et tne venng— taking any notice of the dreams of the young females in their evn—ceeat.-

of the young females in their evn—ceeat. andl of the young females in their. own—sport. and this own category of sport. and this deem-t— own category of sport. and this doesn't-males,- own category of sport. and this doesn't-males, of- own category of sport. and this doesn't males, of course doesn't affect males, of course , because including transgender men-men's-makes- , because including transgender men men's makes no men in men's sport makes no difference— men in men's sport makes no difference whatsoever . men in men's sport makes no difference whatsoever. so, yeah, took.— difference whatsoever. so, yeah, took. sham.— difference whatsoever. so, yeah, look, sharon, can just say look, sharon, can i just say thank you.7 and look, sharon, can i just say thank you? and also as well, you are one of the people, very few people who i interview, who i think are on the right side think you are on the right side of history , really. and it's of history, really. and it's going have incredible going to have an incredible legacy beyond, obviously, your own . patrick i just own career. patrick i just wanted— own career. patrick i just wanted to— own career. patrick i just wanted to .on - own career. patrick i just wanted to .on the - £3”ch patrick i just wanted to on the right side wanted to be on the right side forecause-b- wanted to be on the right side for-because, you- wanted to be on the right side for because, you know, for the girls because, you know, all for the girls because, you know, alt-years— for the girls because, you know, alt-years ago,— for the girls because, you know, all years ago, nobody all those years ago, nobody really— all those years ago, nobodyi .e.uy_d....g really stood up for us during that— really stood up for us during that-german— really stood up for us during that-german era,- really stood up for us during that german era, and that east german era, and i could— that east german era, and i could not— that east german era, and i could not stand— that east german era, and i could not stand by and let it happen— could not stand by and let it happen again.— could not stand by and let it happen again. so that's the reason. brilliant.- happen again. so that's the reason. cc reason. brilliant. look, sharon, thank thank you for thank you. and thank you for being with us as being so patient with us as well. whilst rattled through well. whilst we rattled through a few of the stories there. sharon davies there. you're welcome. silver welcome. the olympic silver medallist and just legend really. many you really. well, as many of you know, i am counting down to wednesday, will wednesday, june the 28th. i will be on stage with the be dancing on stage with the dream say they're dream boys who say that they're the most group of male the most famous group of male strippers the uk. viewers on strippers in the uk. viewers on gb see what well, kind gb news can see what well, kind of going to be doing, of what i'm going to be doing, although i look very different when do these are the when i do it. these are the dream boys doing their

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deaden— area of high pressure dominates weadaea-a- area of high pressure dominates our weather,-a lot- area of high pressure dominates our weather, a lot of our weather, meaning a lot of day— our weather, meaning a lot of dry eapdddane— our weather, meaning a lot of dry conditions out there. some dead— dry conditions out there. some dead evea— dry conditions out there. some cloud over northern england dreaded— cloud over northern england peaking ap— cloud over northern england peaking up a— cloud over northern england breaking up a little bit this evening.— breaking up a little bit this evening-cloud- breaking up a little bit this evening. cloud is thickening evening. the cloud is thickening anead— evening. the cloud is thickening ahead-weather- evening. the cloud is thickening ahead weather front ahead of that weather front across-most- ahead of that weather front across most parts of across northern most parts of seedand.— across northern most parts of scotland-bit- across northern most parts of scotland.-bit of- across northern most parts of scotland. bit of light across northern most parts of scot and. bit of light across northern most parts of scot and drizzle bit of light across northern most parts of scot and drizzle is)it of light across northern most parts of scot and drizzle is possible|t rain and drizzle is possible nee— rain and drizzle is possible nee-dawn— rain and drizzle is possible here-dawn, but- rain and drizzle is possible here dawn, but most here by dawn, but for most pdaeee— here by dawn, but for most pdaeee, day— here by dawn, but for most places, dry and— here by dawn, but for most places, dry and clear and quite endp— places, dry and clear and quite chilly, temperatures chilly, actually. temperatures eenadndy—z- chilly, actually. temperatures certainly—2 or- chilly, actually. temperatures certainly—2 or 3. certainly rural spots 2 or 3 degrees.— certainly rural spots 2 or 3 degrees. se— certainly rural spots 2 or 3 degrees. so not- certainly rural spots 2 or 3 degrees. so not too far off needng. — degrees. so not too far off needng. se— degrees. so not too far off freezing. so a— degrees. so not too far off freezing. so a fresh start to ane— freezing. so a fresh start to the weekend, _ freezing. so a fresh start to the weekend, but sun's up early and— the weekend, but sun's up early and ne— the weekend, but sun's up early and ane enn— the weekend, but sun's up early and the sun is— the weekend, but sun's up early and the sun is strong , so it'll and the sun is strong, so it'll dan— and the sun is strong, so it'll eaan ae— and the sun is strong, so it'll soon start to lift— and the sun is strong, so it'll soon start to lift those temperatures- soon start to lift those temperatures . it will stay temperatures. it will stay predominantly cloudy through the meaning— predominantly cloudy through the nanndng even— predominantly cloudy through the morning over the— predominantly cloudy through the morning over the highlands and the morning over the highlands and ane—d— morning over the highlands and ane—d pn- morning over the highlands and ape—d pd en- morning over the highlands and ape—d pd an a- the western isles. a bit of a damp— the western isles. a bit of a damp-ae- the western isles. a bit of a damp-as well. i the western isles. a bit of al damp-as well. but damp start here as well. but anat— damp start here as well. but and-edging— damp start here as well. but that-edging into- damp start here as well. but that edging into the that rain edging into the napndand— that rain edging into the mainland of— that rain edging into the mainland of scotland kind of needing— mainland of scotland kind of needing-n— mainland of scotland kind of fizzling-it does- mainland of scotland kind of fizzling it does so. so fizzling out as it does so. so pngnnenpng— brightening up in the far nannneep.— brightening up in the far northwest. sunny spells for the nap-endp— northwest. sunny spells for the mgpo.ppy,-pgg- northwest. sunny spells for the majority,-feel in- northwest. sunny spells for the majority, feel in the majority, a cooler feel in the far majority, a cooler feel in the fan nann. — majority, a cooler feel in the far north. but— majority, a cooler feel in the far north. but elsewhere, temperatures— far north. but elsewhere, temperatures a little bit higher p...— temperatures a little bit higher pnan today-e— temperatures a little bit higher than today's more widely than today's values. more widely inpa— than today's values. more widely pnpe pne— than today's values. more widely pnpe pne zep— than today's values. more widely into the 20s cooler— than today's values. more widely into the 20s cooler again on some coasts for— into the 20s cooler again on some coasts for sure , but inland some coasts for sure, but inland we some coasts for sure, but inland nne-gea— some coasts for sure, but inland ne-gep 23,— some coasts for sure, but inland ne-gep 2p, nappe- some coasts for sure, but inland we get 23, maybe 24 we could get 23, maybe 24 degrees— we could get 23, maybe 24 degrees and— we could get 23, maybe 24 degrees and quite a pleasant sappnday— degrees and quite a pleasant saturday evening. we will see a bit saturday evening. we will see a pn nee— saturday evening. we will see a bit more cloud— saturday evening. we will see a bit more cloud spilling down pnpdauy— bit more cloud spilling down initially over— bit more cloud spilling down initially over northern england ,—pngdandl initially over northern england ,_p.gp..g pe|

, then into eastern england to span— , then into eastern england to span sundav-_ , then into eastern england to start sunday. but— , then into eastern england to start sunday. but again, genenady— start sunday. but again, generally it's- start sunday. but again, generally it's going to be anapnen— generally it's going to be another fine— generally it's going to be another fine day just a bit more dead— another fine day just a bit more dead en— another fine day just a bit more cloud on sunday— another fine day just a bit more cloud on sunday over these eaeennp— cloud on sunday over these eastern counties— cloud on sunday over these eastern counties of england. but even here we _see - eastern counties of england. but even here we see still even here we should see still some sunny spells . a brighter some sunny spells. a brighter dav— some sunny spells. a brighter daylnannenn— some sunny spells. a brighter day northern scotland. plenty day in northern scotland. plenty of day in northern scotland. plenty gp_mgg_ day in northern scotland. plenty of_most places,- day in northern scotland. plentyj of_most places, not of sunshine for most places, not dappe— of sunshine for most places, not dune ae— of sunshine for most places, not gene as wann— of sunshine for most places, not quite as warm temperatures, just a degree— quite as warm temperatures, just a degree en— quite as warm temperatures, just a degree an ea— quite as warm temperatures, just a degree or so down. so high peen— a degree or so down. so high peene nappe— a degree or so down. so high teens, maybe low— a degree or so down. so high teens, maybe low 20s still in pne— teens, maybe low 20s still in pne eenn— teens, maybe low 20s still in the south. but— teens, maybe low 20s still in the south. but these coasts in pne— the south. but these coasts in pne eaep— the south. but these coasts in pne eaep pn— the south. but these coasts in the east in particular, with a bit the east in particular, with a ppp ep— the east in particular, with a ppp of a— the east in particular, with a bit of a breeze— the east in particular, with a bit of a breeze that will feel papa— bit of a breeze that will feel papa, peen — bit of a breeze that will feel fair, fresh and— bit of a breeze that will feel fair, fresh and a— bit of a breeze that will feel fair, fresh and a cooler feel pen— fair, fresh and a cooler feel pen-agap— fair, fresh and a cooler feel pan-agapn en- fair, fresh and a cooler feel for again on monday. but for most again on monday. but agapn— for most again on monday. but agapn ,— for most again on monday. but agapn , pan— for most again on monday. but again , for majority, it's again, for the majority, it's day— again, for the majority, it's day-nne— again, for the majority, it's dry .fine with- again, for the majority, it's dry fine with sunny spells. dry and fine with sunny spells. pne— dry and fine with sunny spells. pne enn— dry and fine with sunny spells. the sun, though,— dry and fine with sunny spells. the sun, though, is pretty sprang— the sun, though, is pretty sprang-ap- the sun, though, is pretty strong-of year. the sun, though, is pretty strong-of year .|

country is sky high. how? i'm asking you tonight, do we get dolly britain back to work and the world health organisation, they are planning a new treaty , they are planning a new treaty, a plan for future pandemics, which would potentially mean that they have the power to dictate to us, the uk, that we have to go into lockdown, dictate things like vaccine passports, quarantine and all the rest of it. i say no, thank you very much. what says you and the whole trans movement? where