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before get started , let's get before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. nana. thank you very much and good— nana. thank you very much and good afternoon.— nana. thank you very much and good afternoon. it's— new? thank you very much and good afternoon. it's 3:00. this is the— good afternoon. it's 3:00. this is the latest— good afternoon. it's 3:00. this is the latest from _ good afternoon. it's 3:00. this is the latest from the gb news room.— is the latest from the gb news room. fiv— is the latest from the gb news room. nv says— is the latest from the gb news room. itv says it— is the latest from the gb news room. itv says it found no evidence— room. itv says it found no evidence of— room. itv says it found no evidence of a— room. itv says it found no evidence of a relationship between— evidence of a relationship between philip schofield and another— between philip schofield and another employee during an investigation— another employee during an investigation in— another employee during an investigation in 2020. the broadcaster— investigation in 2020. the broadcaster says they were quesiienei — broadcaster says they were questioned after hearing rumours, but— questioned after hearing rumours, but both men denied iiey— rumours, but both men denied iiiew wee— rumours, but both men denied they were seeing— rumours, but both men denied they were seeing each other. the tv they were seeing each other. the iv wesewiei— they were seeing each other. the tv presenter resigned yesterday eiiei— tv presenter resigned yesterday after admitting— tv presenter resigned yesterday after admitting he had an affair wiiii— after admitting he had an affair wiiii e— after admitting he had an affair wiiis a young— after admitting he had an affair with a young male colleague , with a young male colleague, wiieii— with a young male colleague, which we— with a young male colleague, which he described as unwise but not which he described as unwise but wei iiieeei— which he described as unwise but wei iiieeei. we— which he described as unwise but not illegal. he told— which he described as unwise but not illegal. he told the daily wei— not illegal. he told the daily iieii we— not illegal. he told the daily mail he lied— not illegal. he told the daily mail he lied about the relationship- mail he lied about the relationship to his wife, colleagues,— relationship to his wife, colleagues, friends and agents. wei— colleagues, friends and agents. iieii ew— colleagues, friends and agents. mail on sunday,— colleagues, friends and agents. mail on sunday, journalist cieiieiie— mail on sunday, journalist charlotte griffith says people in charlotte griffith says people iw wie— charlotte griffith says people in the industry— charlotte griffith says people in the industry must have known it in the industry must have known ii ws— in the industry must have known ii e— in the industry must have known ii a video— in the industry must have known it was a video of— in the industry must have known it was a video of him having iwwei— it was a video of him having iwweii in— it was a video of him having iwweii in e— it was a video of him having lunch in a cafe— it was a video of him having lunch in a cafe with this young man . although— lunch in a cafe with this young man . although ithink- lunch in a cafe with this young man . d lunch in a cafe with this young man . g 8 man. although i think he was 18 at the time. so no, it was the worst kept secret. you have to take him at his word. you know, holly must have asked him about

this. people around him must have asked him about this, and he must have lied. that's what he must have lied. that's what he that's all know, he said. and that's all we know, right now. gb news presenter and former— right now. gb news presenter and former-mowing— right now. gb news presenter and former-morning host- ” g gb news presenter and former morning host eamonn former this morning host eamonn weimes— former this morning host eamonn weimeslewi— former this morning host eamonn weimeslewi ei— former this morning host eamonn holmes-out at his— holmes hit out at his ex—colleagues, saying he's iiweiiw—ewil ex—colleagues, saying he's finally—out on| finally been caught out on seeiei— finally been caught out on social media.— finally been caught out on social media. he said four high memeis— social media. he said four high memeis ei— social media. he said four high members of itv— social media. he said four high members of itv management knew wim— members of itv management knew we sem— members of itv management knew we sem ei— members of itv management knew what sort of man— members of itv management knew what sort of man was and what sort of man he was and never once took— what sort of man he was and never once took action to seem— never once took action to prevent controlling prevent him controlling or imme— prevent him controlling or taking advantage of his position young— taking advantage of his position over young people . a showbiz over young people. a showbiz repemew— over young people. a showbiz reporter, ellie— over young people. a showbiz reporter, ellie phillips , told reporter, ellie phillips, told us. reporter, ellie phillips, told imiiiip— reporter, ellie phillips, told us. phillip schofield actions were more than— us. phillip schofield actions were more than inappropriate. wes— were more than inappropriate. we-s saving— were more than inappropriate. we-s saying its— were more than inappropriate. he's saying it's not— were more than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal, but it's also about abuse of but it's also about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is was the face of this is the was the face of this morning a massive position of power. and you've got a runner who, in the scheme of things within the scene, you know, within the scene, you know, within it works behind the within how it works behind the scenes is much lower down the rung terms of power. so rung in terms of the power. so it's about power imbalance. it's about that power imbalance. i think air passengers have been voicing their frustrations following a nationwide border control system failure. thousands of people trying control system failure. - thousands of people trying to get thousands of people trying to gei ewew— thousands of people trying to gei away fei— thousands of people trying to get away for the— thousands of people trying to get away for the bank holiday

are get away for the bank holiday meme— get away for the bank holiday are facing delays— get away for the bank holiday are facing delays following a ieeimieei— are facing delays following a technical fault— are facing delays following a technical fault affecting e—geies— technical fault affecting e—gates. the- technical fault affecting e—gates. the home office says it's e—gates. the home office says is working— e—gates. the home office says is working is— e—gates. the home office says it's working to resolve the weiiem — it's working to resolve the problem with— it's working to resolve the problem with electronic problem with the electronic swsiem — problem with the electronic system which _ problem with the electronic system which operated by system which is operated by isomer— system which is operated by isomer-me— system which is operated by border-the uk's- system which is operated by border the uk's biggest border force. the uk's biggest eimem— border force. the uk's biggest airport, heathrow, says it's trying— airport, heathrow, says it's iwimg is— airport, heathrow, says it's trying to manage queues and is working— trying to manage queues and is working wim— trying to manage queues and is working with authorities to fix the working with authorities to fix wee-es— working with authorities to fix me-es-es- working with authorities to fix. the-as-as possible the issue as quickly as possible . iieemwiiie— the issue as quickly as possible . meanwhile, passenger is at the pew— . meanwhile, passenger is at the pew ei— . meanwhile, passenger is at the mm of dewe— . meanwhile, passenger is at the port of dover, are— . meanwhile, passenger is at the port of dover, are also experiencing- port of dover, are also experiencing delays following emiiei— experiencing delays following emiiei ii— experiencing delays following earlier it issues— experiencing delays following earlier it issues at border eemwei. — earlier it issues at border control. apologising for the iismpiiem— control. apologising for the disruption, the— control. apologising for the disruption, the port authority sews— disruption, the port authority says we — disruption, the port authority says the problem has been fixed and says the problem has been fixed mi me— says the problem has been fixed mi me qwewes— says the problem has been fixed and the queues are improving wim— and the queues are improving wim weii— and the queues are improving with wait times— and the queues are improving with wait times for cars under 30 with wait times for cars under so mimwies— with wait times for cars under 30 minutes now— with wait times for cars under 30 minutes now and coaches meme— 30 minutes now and coaches around an hour.— 30 minutes now and coaches around an hour. now a man who emesiei— around an hour. now a man who was arrested after— around an hour. now a man who was arrested after a— around an hour. now a man who was arrested after a car crashed mie— was arrested after a car crashed imie me— was arrested after a car crashed into the downing— was arrested after a car crashed into the downing street gates mes— into the downing street gates has been— into the downing street gates has been charged with making imieeemi— has been charged with making indecent images— has been charged with making indecent images of children. the 43 indecent images of children. the is wew— indecent images of children. the is wew sie— indecent images of children. the is wew eii ws— indecent images of children. the 43 year old was initially ieieimei— 43 year old was initially detained on— 43 year old was initially detained on suspicion of imgeiews— detained on suspicion of dangerous driving . following dangerous driving. following imwisiew-s— dangerous driving. following thursday's incident , officers thursday's incident, officers ieiei— thursday's incident, officers were later seen— thursday's incident, officers were later seen searching the seei— were later seen searching the ieei ei— were later seen searching the ieei of me— were later seen searching the boot of the car— were later seen searching the boot of the car before it was iewei — boot of the car before it was iewei ewew. — boot of the car before it was towed away. he's- boot of the car before it was towed away. he's been remanded in ewsieiw— towed away. he's been remanded in custody after— towed away. he's been remanded in custody after appearing in sewi— in custody after appearing in eewm em— in custody after appearing in eewm on me— in custody after appearing in court on the unrelated offence emi— court on the unrelated offence mi wiii— court on the unrelated offence and will reappear— court on the unrelated offence

and will reappear next month. imme— and will reappear next month. imme misi— and will reappear next month. former first minister of nowhere— former first minister of northern ireland, arlene foster, ieiiewes— northern ireland, arlene foster, ieiiewes me— northern ireland, arlene foster, believes the dup— northern ireland, arlene foster, believes the dup could do a deal wim— believes the dup could do a deal wim immi— believes the dup could do a deal with labour as— believes the dup could do a deal with labour as it— believes the dup could do a deal with labour as it works to esmie — with labour as it works to restore a power- with labour as it works to restore a power sharing iewemmi- restore a power sharing government. speaking to gloria de government. speaking to gloria i>e mere— government. speaking to gloria i>e iieie ,— government. speaking to gloria i>e iieie , me— government. speaking to gloria de piero , the gb— government. speaking to gloria de piero , the gb news presenter de piero, the gb news presenter sews— de piero, the gb news presenter says i— de piero, the gb news presenter says a coalition— de piero, the gb news presenter says a coalition could be formed if says a coalition could be formed ii me— says a coalition could be formed i we mem— says a coalition could be formed if the next general— says a coalition could be formed if the next general election ieiiweis— if the next general election ieiiweis i— if the next general election delivers a hung— if the next general election delivers a hung . parliament. delivers a hung. parliament. wewii— delivers a hung. parliament. wewii ii— delivers a hung. parliament. wewii ii we— delivers a hung. parliament. would it be fanciful- delivers a hung. parliament. would it be fanciful to- delivers a hung. parliament. would it be fanciful to even think that there could ever be any sort of agreement with the labour party in the dup.7 no, i don't think so. i don't think so at don't think so. i don't think so ii iii. — don't think so. i don't think so ii iii. imi— don't think so. i don't think so ii iii. ami i— don't think so. i don't think so at all. and i think there is quite good relationships with the secretary of state for northern shadow northern ireland. the shadow secretary for northern secretary of state for northern ireland, cahill , and ireland, peter cahill, and indeed keir as well. so indeed with sir keir as well. so no, not at all. you can watch mm— no, not at all. you can watch mm mm— no, not at all. you can watch that full interview— you can watch that full interview with arlene iesiei— that full interview with arlene foster-gloria— that full interview with arlene foster gloria meets tomorrow foster on gloria meets tomorrow at foster on gloria meets tomorrow ai-now,_ foster on gloria meets tomorrow m-wew i— foster on gloria meets tomorrow m-wew a six— foster on gloria meets tomorrow at- now, a six year- foster on gloria meets tomorrow at now, a six year old at 6 pm. now, a six year old boy— at 6 pm. now, a six year old iew wmese— at 6 pm. now, a six year old boy whose climbing 12 mountains to boy whose climbing 12 mountains is wise— boy whose climbing 12 mountains ii im— boy whose climbing 12 mountains to raise for money— boy whose climbing 12 mountains to raise for money charity is preparing— to raise for money charity is preparing rer— to raise for money charity is preparing for his— to raise for money charity is preparing for his final hike. esem— preparing for his final hike. oscar burro— preparing for his final hike. oscar burro from lancaster, who imspirei— oscar burro from lancaster, who imspirei iw— oscar burro from lancaster, who was inspired by sir— oscar burro from lancaster, who was inspired by sir edmund wiiimw— was inspired by sir edmund wiiimw smi— was inspired by sir edmund hillary, said he— was inspired by sir edmund hillary, said he wanted to be me— hillary, said he wanted to be me wewmgesi— hillary, said he wanted to be the youngest person to climb

iveresi— the youngest person to climb iweresi. ii— the youngest person to climb everest. to help— the youngest person to climb everest. to help him achieve his goali— everest. to help him achieve his gem iris— everest. to help him achieve his gem, iris iii— everest. to help him achieve his goal, his dad tallied up the peers— goal, his dad tallied up the peers whim— goal, his dad tallied up the peaks, which include snowdon and semen— peaks, which include snowdon and semeii pike,— peaks, which include snowdon and scafell pike, so— peaks, which include snowdon and scafell pike, so that— peaks, which include snowdon and scafell pike, so that they'd be a scafell pike, so that they'd be i simiim— scafell pike, so that they'd be a similar height— scafell pike, so that they'd be a similar height to everest. wes— a similar height to everest. we-s iwe— a similar height to everest. we-s iwe re— a similar height to everest. he's due to climb ben nevis on iimim— he's due to climb ben nevis on iimim mi— he's due to climb ben nevis on monday and has— he's due to climb ben nevis on monday and has already raised mm— monday and has already raised more than £30,000 for darien wewse— more than £30,000 for darien house children's— more than £30,000 for darien house children's hospice in cmeriew— house children's hospice in emeriew .— house children's hospice in chorley . this— house children's hospice in chorley . this is— house children's hospice in chorley . this is gb news. we'll chorley. this is gb news. we'll mimi— chorley. this is gb news. we'll irimg wew— chorley. this is gb news. we'll irimg you me— chorley. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it impers— bring you more news as it happens. wew— bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to nana . happens. now it's back to nana. i emi— happens. now it's back to nana. . good afternoon. _ happens. now it's back to nana. i good afternoon. thank- happens. now it's back to nana. good afternoon. thank you. tatiana it's six tatiana it's coming up to six minutes 3:00. this is gb minutes after 3:00. this is gb news online and on news on tv, online and on digital radio . i'm nana. digital radio. i'm nana. o'quinn. time to mock the o'quinn. it's time to mock the week. what a week it's week. well what a week it's been. let's kick off with phillip schofield. where do we start with man.7 there phillip schofield. where do we start with man? there was start with this man? there was his admission of his sexuality live on air. fair enough. then there was a gate now an there was a gate and now an affair with a young man. one which he described as an unwise , wise thing, but not illegal,

which he had initially denied to his bosses at itv. and more is coming to light every few hours , it seems it's like rats leaving the sinking ship. he's been ditched by his employers , been ditched by his employers, his agent, he owns a share his agent, which he owns a share in friends. i think even his in his friends. i think even his lawyers have scarpered. he's pretty lied everybody . pretty much lied to everybody. awful, man. i mean, time, methinks to ditch the toxic this morning brand and just get rid of the show altogether but we move on to some more trans nonsense. and as a trans woman, so a biologic man breaks the female park run record. i mean, what a surprise that a biological man has eclipsed the record of a female athlete . not record of a female athlete. not only it isn't a surprise , is it, only it isn't a surprise, is it, that a mediocre male athlete can beat the women? i mean, that's the whole reason why we separate the whole reason why we separate the in this way. it's the categories in this way. it's all it's about fairness. and politicians still can't help themselves. i mean, you had ed davey saying that definitely a woman can have a penis, which was nonsense. there is no way i will vote for a politician who cannot say what a woman is. he

obviously knows what one is really, but what part of his brain says that a woman can have a woman does not have a a penis? a woman does not have a penis. it's ridiculous. there was, light at the end was, however, a light at the end of the tunnel in the world of female british cycling, where it declared will declared that trans women will not competing against women. not be competing against women. and , in the world of and finally, in the world of music, one my absolute music, one of my absolute favourite of all time artists, the only woman i can sing alongside has died. the incredible tina turner. now i attribute my dance off of motty you want . you want attribute my dance off of motty you want. you want me to give ? you want. you want me to give? wew— you want. you want me to give? wew wew— you want. you want me to give? wew wew see— you want. you want me to give? now you see tina— /r:::r. you want me to give? now you see tina turner? that's my imewriie— now you see tina turner? that's my favourite song. i can do that. yeah. private dancer doesn't sound the same when i do it. she does it. if i do it it. when she does it. if i do it alongside her, it doesn't sound right. but if i did it without her actually doing then her actually doing it, then you'd was good. but you'd think it was good. but yes. turner. i attribute my yes. tina turner. i attribute my first ever job in yes. tina turner. i attribute my first everjob in radio to her because when i was asked who would have for would you have to take for a meal dead or alive and why? i said, and it turns said, tina turner. and it turns out boss at the time ,

out that my boss at the time, that was favourite artist. that was his favourite artist. so got the interview in so i got the interview and in the got the job. so thank the end i got the job. so thank you, tina. it's been a mucky all week . right? so you, tina. it's been a mucky all week. right? so this is what's coming up in the next hour. stay tuned. comedian louis schaffer will be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week. and then at 320, it's climate controlled . just stop climate controlled. just stop oil threw orange oil protesters threw orange paint over a garden exhibition at chelsea flower show. at the chelsea flower show. it makes demonstrate makes no sense to demonstrate against climate change, but are you getting fed up with their antics? i mean, why would you do that place that's all about that at a place that's all about sustainability ? makes sense. sustainability? makes no sense. then 335, i'll be delving then at 335, i'll be delving into the ai technology, into the world of ai technology, a pioneering ai system has helped a paralysed man to walk again after being confined to a wheelchair for the past 12 years. i mean, could this change the neuroscience ? stay the face of neuroscience? stay tuned. at 345, it's this week's political now, who political spotlight. now, who remembers as it's only the remembers this as it's only the chairman who can remove people from meeting . you have no

from a meeting. you have no iwmeriw— from a meeting. you have no authority here,— from a meeting. you have no authority here, jackie- q you have no authority here, jackie weaver. no authority here, jackie weaver. we iwmeriw— authority here, jackie weaver. no authority at— authority here, jackie weaver. no authority at all. v/rzzr. no authority at all. you just wiciei— no authority at all. you just kicked him out . no no. just kicked him out. no no. just kicked him out. no no. just kicked him out. no, don't. just kicked him out. no, don't. just kicked him out . oh, that was kicked him out. oh, that was iwmw— kicked him out. oh, that was funny- war,— kicked him out. oh, that was funny. well, listen,- f: " oh, that was funny. well, listen, jackie weaver— funny. well, listen, jackie weaver shot— funny. well, listen, jackie weaver shot to - funny. well, listen, jackie weaver shot to fame after the jew— weaver shot to fame after the im ireppimg— weaver shot to fame after the jaw dropping council meeting wemi— jaw dropping council meeting wemi wrai— jaw dropping council meeting went viral online. and she'll be ieimimi— went viral online. and she'll be joining me— went viral online. and she'll be joining me iwe— went viral online. and she'll be joining me live to— went viral online. and she'll be joining me live to tell me why sire— joining me live to tell me why sire iees— joining me live to tell me why she does indeed— joining me live to tell me why she does indeed have all the mireriiw— she does indeed have all the authority. that's— she does indeed have all the authority. that's coming up in the authority. that's coming up in me meri— authority. that's coming up in the next hour.— authority. that's coming up in the next hour. as— authority. that's coming up in the next hour. as ever, tell me wim— the next hour. as ever, tell me wirm wew— the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think— the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think on— the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think on everything we're discussing.— we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.uk. or tweet me at . gbviews@gbnews.uk. or tweet me m . ei— gbviews@gbnews.uk. or tweet me m . ii news.— gbviews@gbnews.uk. or tweet me at . gb news. and— gbviews@gbnews.uk. or tweet me at. gb news. and of gbviews@gbnews.uk. or tweet me at . gb news. and of course, it's at. gb news. and of course, it's gb at. gb news. and of course, it's ii wews— at. gb news. and of course, it's ii wews sem— at. gb news. and of course, it's gb news .com. how— at. gb news. and of course, it's gb news .com. how could i forget 7 gb news .com. how could i forget e rs— gb news .com. how could i forget e rs grem— gb news .com. how could i forget e rs irem, ism-i— gb news .com. how could i forget ? it's great, isn't it?— gb news .com. how could i forget ? it's great, isn't it? right. wal— ? it's great, isn't it? right. war, j0ini“9_ ? it's great, isn't it? right. well, joining me now is stand eemeiim— well, joining me now is stand comedian louis— well, joining me now is stand comedian louis schaffer. louis immi— comedian louis schaffer. louis mmw wew— comedian louis schaffer. louis mmw you wew— comedian louis schaffer. louis thank you very much for joining immi— thank you very much for joining immw wew— thank you very much for joining me. thank you, nana god nana wmi— me. thank you, nana god nana wmi iii— me. thank you, nana god nana wmi iii wew— me. thank you, nana god nana nana did you call— me. thank you, nana god nana nana did you call me nana? i emi— nana did you call me nana? i saw wew— nana did you call me nana? i saw you were— nana did you call me nana? i call you nana nana and i'm. scwwrriie— call you nana nana and i'm. schaffer okay.— call you nana nana and i'm. schaffer okay. schaffer . so, schaffer okay. schaffer. so, iewis— schaffer okay. schaffer. so, iewis, imi— schaffer okay. schaffer. so, iewis, riiw re— schaffer okay. schaffer. so, louis, talk to me.— schaffer okay. schaffer. so, louis, talk to me. it's been mweww— louis, talk to me. it's been mucky .— louis, talk to me. it's been mucky. phillip— louis, talk to me. it's been mucky . phillip schofield i mean, mucky. phillip schofield i mean, this mucky. phillip schofield i mean, iris is—

mucky. phillip schofield i mean, iris is i— mucky. phillip schofield i mean, iris is a mem— mucky. phillip schofield i mean, this is a right mess, isn't it? ism,— this is a right mess, isn't it? ieew i— this is a right mess, isn't it? ieew i im-i— this is a right mess, isn't it? look, i don't know. philip simmeri— look, i don't know. philip schofield. i— look, i don't know. philip schofield. i never met the man ieiere— schofield. i never met the man before. i— schofield. i never met the man before. i don't— schofield. i never met the man before. i don't wish any ill to him— before. i don't wish any ill to rim-mes— before. i don't wish any ill to rim-mes i— before. i don't wish any ill to him,-he's a liar,- before. i don't wish any ill to him, he's a liar, isn't he? him, but he's a liar, isn't he? wes— him, but he's a liar, isn't he? we-s ieem— him, but he's a liar, isn't he? we-s ieem wiri— him, but he's a liar, isn't he? he's been lying about everybody. you know what? i don't understand? - you know what? i don't understand? v/rzzr. to you know what? i don't- understand? you people. to me, mis— understand? you people. to me, iris is— understand? you people. to me, iris is i— understand? you people. to me, this is a nothing. _ understand? you people. to me, this is a nothing. this- understand? you people. to me, this is a nothing. this is- understand? v/rzzr. to me, this is a nothing. " this is a nothing. this is a non swim— this is a nothing. this is a non story. because basically, of course, he had a thing. a man had a thing with another person, a married man had thing a man, a married man had a thing with another person in the office. and lies about it. office. and then lies about it. is office. and then lies about it. is—im-i- office. and then lies about it. is—im-i wew- office. and then lies about it.i is_don't you know, is that news? i don't you know, is that news? i don't you know, i-wew-re— is that news? i don't you know, i-wew-re mmimi- is that news? i don't you know, i you're making big deal i think you're making a big deal mowi— i think you're making a big deal mewi ii.— i think you're making a big deal mom is we— i think you're making a big deal about it. do you— i think you're making a big deal about it. do you have something miimsi— about it. do you have something meimsi i— about it. do you have something miimsi i im— about it. do you have something against a lot people? must against a lot of people? must rime—mime- against a lot of people? must have against phillip have something against phillip swimmi— schofield, because a lot of people— schofield, because a lot of people actually, schofield, because a lot of people-actually, way people do actually, for the way ire-s— people do actually, for the way ire-s iremei— people do actually, for the way he's treated a— people do actually, for the way he's treated a lot— people do actually, for the way he's treated a lot of them, miwiiiw. — he's treated a lot of them, actually. yeah.- he's treated a lot of them, actually. / viii“ he's treated a lot of them, actually. v425?" viii“ actually. yeah. well, that's what i've heard. so in the end of me— what i've heard. so in the end m me im— what i've heard. so in the end of the day, you've— what i've heard. so in the end of the day, you've got- : so in the end of the day, you've got to be : so in the end of thtoiay, you've got to be : so in the end of thto people, ve got to be : so in the end of thto people, otherwise be nice to people, otherwise semeimimi— nice to people, otherwise something like this comes out mi— something like this comes out mi-ieew— something like this comes out and look anything. jzitr and they look for anything. do you— and they look for anything. do wew-mis— and they look for anything. do wew-iris is— and they look for anything. do you-this islsomething?| and they look for anything. dol you-this islsomething? you think this is a something? i actually, because, of i do, actually, because, of course, .person - i do, actually, because, of course, person question course, the person in question wome— course, the person in question isms-ii— course, the person in question was young, it wasn't was young, but it wasn't iiieiii. — was young, but it wasn't illegal. that's- was young, but it wasn't illegal. that's enough. but illegal. that's fair enough. but it illegal. that's fair enough. but i iwsi— illegal. that's fair enough. but i iwsi eems— illegal. that's fair enough. but it just seems there's it just seems that there's i mimi— it just seems that there's i- think—information think there's more information simme— think there's more information eemimi—mel think there's more information. eemimi—me imi coming out tonight. and the fact mm— coming out tonight. and the fact mm ire— coming out tonight. and the fact mm ire iiei— coming out tonight. and the fact that he lied to— coming out tonight. and the fact that he lied to employers, that he lied to his employers, mew— that he lied to his employers, mew-mm- that he lied to his employers, they-that there- that he lied to his employers, they that there was they both said that there was mommi— they both said that there was memimg going— they both said that there was nothing going on and there was. imi—

nothing going on and there was. ami mem— nothing going on and there was. and then, look,— nothing going on and there was. and then, look, this it's not in iseimim. — and then, look, this it's not in isolation. -not_ and then, look, this it's not in isolation. not forget isolation. let's not forget eme— isolation. let's not forget gate, holly, gate, where that him and holly, mew— gate, where that him and holly, mew-mesm— gate, where that him and holly, mew-memi re- gate, where that him and holly, they-meant to be- gate, where that him and holly, they meant to be there, gate, where that him and holly, theythey meant to be there, gate, where that him and holly, theythey wereieant to be there, gate, where that him and holly, theythey were they to be there, gate, where that him and holly, theythey were they went; there, gate, where that him and holly, theythey were they went to iere, gate, where that him and holly, theythey were they went to view but they were they went to view the but they were they went to view ire-wew — but they were they went to view ire-wew emi— but they were they went to view ire-wew cm i— but they were they went to view the you call a fallacious the what you call a fallacious mgwmemi. — the what you call a fallacious mgwmemi. lit— the what you call a fallacious argument. lit what- the what you call a fallacious argument. . u the what you call a fallacious argument. e e 57 e argument. is it what it is? it means that you're bringing up something that's not related to to the issue. no, no, it is. to the the issue. no, no, it is. rim-s— to the the issue. no, no, it is. rim-s iii— to the the issue. no, no, it is. rim-s iii pm— to the the issue. no, no, it is. that's all part of— to the the issue. no, no, it is. that's all part of it.- no, no, it is. that's all part of it. this is a emiieiwe— that's all part of it. this is a emiiegwe m— that's all part of it. this is a catalogue of-that- that's all part of it. this is a catalogue of that have catalogue of things that have led catalogue of things that have iei—vew- catalogue of things that havei led—you don't. led to his demise. you don't. mem— led to his demise. you don't. right i apologise. so i've been doing a little research on fallacious arguments. and that's why got fallacious arguments. and that's wiry-em mm— fallacious arguments. and that's wiry-em maili— fallacious arguments. and that's why-got that-i like. - fallacious arguments. and that's why-got that-i like. i. why you got that in. i like. i wmiei— why you got that in. i like. i wmiei ii— why you got that in. i like. i wanted to get— why you got that in. i like. i wanted to get it— why you got that in. i like. i wanted to get it in.- why you got that in. i like. i wanted to get it in. apologise yeah. okay. well, people must not him. think not like him. i don't think there anything wrong with there was anything wrong with there was anything wrong with the person. why the q. he's a famous person. why shouldn't to the head of shouldn't he go to the head of the the line? and he was the head of the line? and he was probably invited to the head of line. they would have definitely stopped him if he didn't. shouldn't there. they said shouldn't go there. if they said to and a pretty girl, to you and you're a pretty girl, you've you always you've always had, you always say this, louis, what do you want? what from me? want? what do you want from me? you want? what do you want from me? wew-wim— want? what do you want from me? wew-wiser i— want? what do you want from me? wew-wiser i wmi— want? what do you want from me? you-what i want is- want? what do you want from me? you-what i want is only- you know, what i want is only mimi- — you know, what i want is only one thing. and— you know, what i want is only one thing. and it— you know, what i want is only one thing. r: erg you know, what i want is only one thing. 'r: erg one thing. and it gives with an s and know what it's s and no, you know what it's like. a pretty girl. you like. you're a pretty girl. you go the head the line or go to the head of the line or you're a nice person. you go to the head of the line. that's

you're a nice person. you go to the hebeckham'sine. that's you're a nice person. you go to the hebeckham's aa. that's you're a nice person. you go to the hebeckham's a prettyt's you're a nice person. you go to the hebeckham's a pretty man. he david beckham's a pretty man. he min-i.— david beckham's a pretty man. he iiim-iliwewei— david beckham's a pretty man. he didn't. queued eight didn't. he queued for eight mewrs —we-s- didn't. he queued for eight. hours._he's not. hours. he's evil. he's not. wes— hours. he's evil. he's not. we-s i— hours. he's evil. he's not. we-s ilmm- hours. he's evil. he's not. he's a-man.-evil.| hours. he's evil. he's not. - he's a-man.-evil. how he's a good man. he's evil. how is-we-s— he's a good man. he's evil. how is-we-s ewii— he's a good man. he's evil. how is-he's evil because- is he evil? he's evil because ire-s. — is he evil? he's evil because ire-s. iecewse— is he evil? he's evil because he's. because he- is he evil? he's evil because he's. because he did- is he evil? he's evil because he's. f r: r: e he's. because he did it deliberately to a great guy. deliberately to be a great guy. you wait for eight you wouldn't wait for eight mews—re- you wouldn't wait for eight mews—re ie| hours like that just to be a gem— hours like that just to be a eem-imi— hours like that just to be a great and talked great guy. and he talked to ewewieiw— great guy. and he talked to ewewieiwlme- great guy. and he talked to everybody the queue. s everybody in the queue. yes > imi— everybody in the queue. yes > amilwm— everybody in the queue. yes > and .was-massive- and it was like massive pubuchy and it was like massive publicity for brand. i mean, he's good, he's not. that's good, though, isn't that isn't it? i mean, can i say that i kidding you? i know you i was kidding you? i know you were a i was kidding you? i know you. were—a comedian. were because you're a comedian. dem-i— were because you're a comedian. dime-omi— were because you're a comedian. wm-i-wm-iume- don't say that. don't let the audience decide eventually. but i decided. i think we've already decided. i think we've already decided. i—iime.— i think we've already decided. i—iime. ism-i- i know. next time, don't introduce me as a comedian. it's too pressure. now move introduce me as a comedian. it's tooto pressure. now move introduce me as a comedian. it's tooto whole re. now move introduce me as a comedian. it's tooto whole thisiow move introduce me as a comedian. it's tooto whole this this move introduce me as a comedian. it's tooto whole this this this nove on to this whole this this this big on to this whole this this this iii—mowi- on to this whole this this thisi iii—mom big trans argument about men in women's sports because they're rims—mew- trans women in. but they are wiiimmeiw— trans women in. but they are ultimately men.— trans women in. but they are ultimately men. now, there was a pm— ultimately men. now, there was a mm mm— ultimately men. now, there was a pm rwm-me— ultimately men. now, there was a park run-the record- ultimately men. now, there was a park run the record for the park run and the record for the im— park run and the record for the perk-meri— park run and the record for the pew-meii iw- park run and the record for the park held by woman. park run was held by a woman. imi— and then suddenly years later, it's and then suddenly years later, its-i— and then suddenly years later, ii-s-i-wemmi it's beaten by a trans woman, whim— it's beaten by a trans woman, wirim ws— it's beaten by a trans woman, which was obviously a biological man. and then you have politicians— man. and then you have politicians like this saying immis— politicians like this saying minis-mis— politicians like this saying things this vast majority things like this vast majority people— things like this vast majority peepie wiri— things like this vast majority people will have the same gender as people will have the same gender is mei— people will have the same gender as their biological— people will have the same gender as their biological sex, but a smiii— as their biological sex, but a small number— as their biological sex, but a small number won't. so a woman can small number won't. so a woman mire— small number won't. so a woman can have a penis. well,- small number won't. it?" dc" well, quite can have a penis. well, quite eiemiw— can have a penis. well, quite eiemw — can have a penis. well, quite clearly so. so— can have a penis. well, quite clearly so. so can a woman have a penis as she can have mine? i

think . was that j t j j:7 i think . was that appropriate at think. was that appropriate at moo— think. was that appropriate at moo im— think. was that appropriate at see in me— think. was that appropriate at 3:00 in the afternoon ? the 3:00 in the afternoon? the answer is, you— 3:00 in the afternoon? the answer is, you know what it is? its— answer is, you know what it is? its mowi— answer is, you know what it is? it's about being— answer is, you know what it is? it's about being i— answer is, you know what it is? it's about being i personally, mis— it's about being i personally, iris is— it's about being i personally, iris is twsi— it's about being i personally, this is just between it's just ieiweem— this is just between it's just ieiweem me— this is just between it's just between me and you. i agree with you between me and you. i agree with v0u100-_ between me and you. i agree with wew row. i— between me and you. i agree with you 100. i thought— between me and you. i agree with you 100. i thought so . 100. you 100. i thought so. 100. can a man have a vagina- you 100. i thought so. 100. can a man have a vagina ? i- you 100. i thought so. 100. evrg 7 i agree a man have a vagina? i agree with you 100. but— a man have a vagina? i agree with you 100. but there- evrg jev7 i agree with you 100. but there are people— with you 100. but there are peepie swi— with you 100. but there are people out there who believe mm— people out there who believe mm ii— people out there who believe mm ii is— people out there who believe that it is possible they believe memsewes— that it is possible they believe themselves that— that it is possible they believe themselves that it's possible . themselves that it's possible. they— themselves that it's possible. new wise— themselves that it's possible. they also believe that they want to they also believe that they want is ie — they also believe that they want is ie mie— they also believe that they want is ie re — they also believe that they want to be nice to other— they also believe that they want to be nice to other people who wmi— to be nice to other people who wmi ie— to be nice to other people who wmi relmiee— to be nice to other people who want to.nice.other- to be nice to other people who want to nice other people want to be nice to other people to want to be nice to other people ie-wim— want to be nice to other people ie-wim ii.— want to be nice to other people to-with it. does- want to be nice to other people to-with it. does it- to go along with it. does it wiri— to go along with it. does it iii-ie— to go along with it. does it kill-to.nice?- kill people to be nice? that's wim— kill people to be nice? that's wiser-sawmi- kill people to be nice? that's what saying. well but what they're saying. well but it's what they're saying. well but its-is— what they're saying. well but ii-s-is i,— what they're saying. well but it's is it, though? it's not true, is it, though? so it's not true, is it, though? so i— it's not true, is it, though? so it depends— it's not true, is it, though? so it depends whether- so it depends whether you're happy keep somebody happy to lie, to keep somebody to or whether to pacify somebody or whether you're and never have you're not. and i never have been. not the kind of person been. i'm not the kind of person that would somebody to been. i'm not the kind of person that i/ould somebody to been. i'm not the kind of person that i remembernebody to been. i'm not the kind of person thati remembernebody i to been. i'm not the kind of person thati remembernebody i was me, i remember one time i was working a shoe shop in working in a shoe shop in debenhams, when i was debenhams, actually when i was young. end young. they fired me. in the end it was saturday job, it was only a saturday job, but i busy on the friday i was too busy on the friday night and on saturday. i never showed up. but they were really nice about it. welcome to my world. really world. they said, oh, we really like point like you, but there's no point having job you having a saturday job if you

never but yeah, never show up. but anyway, yeah, what i what it was was this woman i worked the store and worked on the shoe store and this woman these shoes on. this woman put these shoes on. they were like bands the they were like two bands at the front. goes, how they were like two bands at the filook goes, how they were like two bands at the filook in goes, how they were like two bands at the filook in these?ioes, how they were like two bands at the filook in these? and how they were like two bands at the filook in these? and i how they were like two bands at the filook in these? and i looked i look in these? and i looked her looks like her and i said, it looks like you've got two bandages on your feet. the truth. feet. and that was the truth. they did look like bandages, they did look like two bandages, but wasn't right but it probably wasn't the right thing but it probably wasn't the right thinlwould probably say what i who would probably say what i think, right? but remember, most peepie— think, right? but remember, most people-°f_ think, right? but remember, most peepie-m people- think, right? but remember, most people-of people this- people or a lot of people this werii—mew- people or a lot of people this world _they go world don't. and they want to go aimi— world don't. and they want to go iiemi—wmwl along to get along. that's why we-re—preiieml we're having this problem, ieeiwse— we're having this problem,| because _these because there are all these women in the— because there are all these women in the who women in the park who are sayingr— women in the park who are swine-immi- women in the park who arei smimd-ieimilrwm saying, i'm not going to run wim— saying, i'm not going to run wire—misl saying, i'm not going to run- wim—mis with this woman, with this man, wirmewer— with this woman, with this man, wherever—i-ml whatever you want to say, i'm mei— whatever you want to say, i'm moi-re — whatever you want to say, i'm moi-re .wim- whatever you want to say, i'm not-to-with this- not going to run with this persm— not going to run with this person-they're- not going to run with this person. they're not saying person. and they're not saying it person. and they're not saying i ieeiwse— person. and they're not saying it because they— person. and they're not saying it because they want to nice. person. and they're not saying it [you use they want to nice. person. and they're not saying it [you haveiey want to nice. person. and they're not saying it [you have to want to nice. person. and they're not saying it [you have to yomt to nice. person. and they're not saying it [you have to you have nice. person. and they're not saying it [you have to you have to nice. person. and they're not saying it [you have to you have to maybe so you have to you have to maybe i'm so you have to you have to maybe im _the— so you have to you have to maybe i-m -me wrong- so you have to you have to maybe i'm the wrong channel, i'm saying on the wrong channel, but i'm saying on the wrong channel, iwi wew— i'm saying on the wrong channel, iwi wew rime— i'm saying on the wrong channel, but you have-have- i'm saying on the wrong channel, but you have have to but you have to be you have to wmiersimi— understand what's what the minimi— understand what's what the mimwimilim— understand what's what the thinking-in the- understand what's what the thinking in the today thinking is in the world today is thinking is in the world todayi is—iwimg is that these people are trying to is that these people are trying ie-iwi— is that these people are trying ie-iwi mimi- is that these people are trying to but think we're no. to be nice. but think we're no. one.— to be nice. but think we're no. one. its— to be nice. but think we're no. one. its mei— to be nice. but think we're no. one. it's not nice,— to be nice. but think we're no. one. it's not nice, is— to be nice. but think we're no. one. it's not nice, is it?- to be nice. but think we're no. one. it's not nice, is it? it's- one. it's not nice, is it? it's not women who have not nice to the women who have trained all their lives to do these like sport, these things, like in sport, thank goodness cycling thank goodness women's cycling in decided that in the uk have now decided that no, woman can not no, a trans woman can not compete against woman compete against a woman because sport comparing bodies. sport is about comparing bodies. yes, matter whether yes, it doesn't matter whether you're female, it's you're male or female, it's usually your weight usually it could be your weight . they have like

. so they might have like boxing. about weight boxing. it's about weight in other could be about other things. it could be about height, it could be about this. but that's we are comparing things that are similar. and if you start saying, okay, you then start saying, okay, well, can compete against well, a man can compete against a specific event and a woman in a specific event and call him a woman, then then muddies the waters. and why would a woman want to compete in any sport that would up to any sport that would open up to trans women? well, take. trans women? well, you take. but you trans women? well, you take. but wew-immi— trans women? well, you take. but you-pointltraining.- you take a point of training. ixmiiw— you take a point of training. exactly .there- you take a point of training. exactly there women you take a point of training. - exactly .there .women who exactly but there are women who are exactly but there are women who ire-smir— exactly but there are women who ire-smiii wire— exactly but there are women who are-small who can't- are very small who can't compete.— are very small who can't compete-how- are very small who can't compete. how tall compete. look how tall and ieiwiiiwi— compete. look how tall and beautiful you— compete. look how tall and beautiful you are. you've got iiwmimes— beautiful you are. you've got advantages over— beautiful you are. you've got advantages over someone who's sierr- — advantages over someone who's sierr- -wm— advantages over someone who's sierr- -wm .— advantages over someone who's short. way , though? in short. in what way, though? in wim— short. in what way, though? in wirm wew— short. in what way, though? in what way? your— short. in what way, though? in what way? your legs . my mother what way? your legs. my mother wewii— what way? your legs. my mother wewii-ieis— what way? your legs. my mother wewii-ieis-se- would say, your legs are so imi— would say, your legs are so rime-imm— would say, your legs are so long,-touch the- would say, your legs are so long, touch the ground. long, they touch the ground. rim-s— long, they touch the ground. rims-rime— long, they touch the ground. that's have advantage. that's you have an advantage. im— that's you have an advantage. iwiliepemis— that's you have an advantage. iwiliepemis .— that's you have an advantage. butldepends . if— that's you have an advantage. butldepends . iflwas- that's you have an advantage. but depends . if was playing but it depends. if i was playing sport was , you know, sport and there was, you know, you had to have a leg, whatever, whatever size or length, your legs something, legs were or something, that would enough . it's would be fair enough. it's not fair to have to fair for women to have to compete against men even because the man he's woman. the man thinks he's a woman. he's not. i agree with you . but he's not. i agree with you. but risi— he's not. i agree with you. but first m— he's not. i agree with you. but first it at,— he's not. i agree with you. but first of all, let— he's not. i agree with you. but first of all, let me— r: i agree with you. but first of all, let me just say iris.— first of all, let me just say its rei— first of all, let me just say this. let me— first of all, let me just say this. let me get- first of all, let me just say this. let me get this out, ieeiwse— this. let me get this out, because this— this. let me get this out, because this the most because this is the most imperimi— because this is the most important should important thing is women should not important thing is women should moi—.— important thing is women should mei—. ii— important thing is women should mei—. ii is— not be running. it is so wmiremiw— not be running. it is so unhealthy for-

not be running. it is so unhealthy for women to run these timi— unhealthy for women to run these wimi m— unhealthy for women to run these kind of distances. _ unhealthy for women to run these kind of distances. 3.5 miles or fire— kind of distances. 3.5 miles or five kilometres,— kind of distances. 3.5 miles or five kilometres, and they smewiim-i— five kilometres, and they shouldn't be _ five kilometres, and they shouldn't be running. it's it prevents— shouldn't be running. it's it prewemis rer— shouldn't be running. it's it prevents for it— shouldn't be running. it's it prevents for it lowers ieriiiiw. — prevents for it lowers fertility. it- prevents for it lowers fertility. it lowers all this mem— fertility. it lowers all this from mew— fertility. it lowers all this from how do— fertility. it lowers all this from how do you know that i'm making— from how do you know that i'm making ii— from how do you know that i'm making it we.— from how do you know that i'm making it up. but— from how do you know that i'm making it up. but i knew you. swi— making it up. but i knew you. iwilsewmis— making it up. but i knew you. but sounds reasonable. you but it sounds reasonable. you seede— but it sounds reasonable. you seeiie ii— but it sounds reasonable. you can google it right now. it's mei— can google it right now. it's moi-rer— can google it right now. it's not-for-exercise.l can google it right now. it's not-for-exercise. i| not good for you exercise. i mimi— not good for you exercise. i mink—im- not good for you exercise. i. think—i'm saying think it's good. i'm i'm saying it's think it's good. i'm i'm saying ri-sem—wme- think it's good. i'm i'm saying it's—women in- think it's good. i'm i'm sayingi it's—women in nana it's not just for women in nana . wmw— it's not just for women in nana . nana, nana, nana— it's not just for women in nana . nana, nana, nana , nana. nana . nana, nana, nana, nana. nana reminis— . nana, nana, nana, nana. nana remimis me— . nana, nana, nana, nana. nana remimis im— . nana, nana, nana, nana. nana reminds me. i'm talking to my ermimemer. — reminds me. i'm talking to my grandmother. nana it's. it's all people— grandmother. nana it's. it's all peepie smewii— grandmother. nana it's. it's all people should not exercise. they smewii— people should not exercise. they sirewii mike— people should not exercise. they should make running illegal. i imi— should make running illegal. i im-i iwe— should make running illegal. i don't like running. ll don't like running. i'll be immi— don't like running. i'll be honest with— don't like running. i'll be honest with you. it's bad for the knees. but any form of exercise for the cardiovascular system, it's very good. so you've rough you've got to take the rough with and finally , with the smooth. and finally, she's simply best. taking she's simply the best. taking a turn my she's a turn out. oh, my god. she's a legend. she turn out. oh, my god. she's a legend . she was a legend. she is legend. she was a legend. she is a legend. she was a legend. she is i ieeemi— legend. she was a legend. she is a legend. especially— 3: she was a legend. she is a legend. especially for you women—love. a legend. especially for you. women._love this women. you women love this wemmeweli— women. you women love this woman.ilove her- women. you women love this woman. love her because she woman. i love her because she represents—mm- represents everything that you wewii— represents everything that you wewii-ie— represents everything that you wewii-ie i— represents everything that you would-be a boss- represents everything that you would be a boss lady who would like to be a boss lady who wire— would like to be a boss lady who wire is— would like to be a boss lady who wire is i— would like to be a boss lady who wire is a rim— would like to be a boss lady who who is a tiny little— would like to be a boss lady who who is a tiny little girl and a iisieiiw— who is a tiny little girl and a basically abused— who is a tiny little girl and a basically abused by man. and basically abused by a man. and sire— basically abused by a man. and sire-ii— basically abused by a man. and sire-ii iii— basically abused by a man. and she-it all herself.- basically abused by a man. and she it all herself. and then she did it all herself. and then mi— she did it all herself. and then mi mem— she did it all herself. and then and then late— she did it all herself. and then and then late-life,- she did it all herself. and then and then late life, she and then late in life, when she at,— and then late in life, when she at, sire—

and then late in life, when she was old, she met— and then late in life, when she was old, she met some other guy ieweiw— was old, she met some other guy now lovely woman— was old, she met some other guy now lovely woman .— was old, she met some other guy now lovely woman . yeah. and this now lovely woman. yeah. and this emer— now lovely woman. yeah. and this ether—mer- now lovely woman. yeah. and this other—her. gave- now lovely woman. yeah. and this other—her. gave heri other guy gave her her. gave her his other guy gave her her. gave her iris wiimew— other guy gave her her. gave her iris kidnev- — other guy gave her her. gave her iris kidnev- i— other guy gave her her. gave her his kidney. i know.— other guy gave her her. gave her his kidney. other guy gave her her. gave her his kidney . his kidney. i know. that was lovely, wasn't. no, it wasn't iewew. — lovely, wasn't. no, it wasn't iewew. ris— lovely, wasn't. no, it wasn't lovely. it's evil.— c no, it wasn't lovely. it's evil. imagine. reverse, reverse that. that's reverse. imagine— reverse, reverse that. that's reverse. imagine life for ringer.— reverse. imagine life for longer. imagine if you say, immine— longer. imagine if you say, immime ii— longer. imagine if you say, imagine if philip schofield got got imagine if philip schofield got iii iris— imagine if philip schofield got get this guy— imagine if philip schofield got got this guy that he was seeing wire— got this guy that he was seeing wire ws— got this guy that he was seeing who was much— got this guy that he was seeing who was much younger than him . who was much younger than him. no, me— who was much younger than him. no, ie— who was much younger than him. no, no, no. to give.— who was much younger than him. no, no, no. to give. to give. to give— no, no, no. to give. to give. to give i— no, no, no. to give. to give. to give i kidnev-_ no, no, no. to give. to give. to give a kidney. no,— no, no, no. to give. to give. to give a kidney. no, no. you emai— give a kidney. no, no. you em-i rew— give a kidney. no, no. you can't. you don't- give a kidney. no, no. you can't. you don't think that rim-s— can't. you don't think that that's evil?— can't. you don't think that that's evil? no— can't. you don't think that that's evil? no it's not. iisiem— that's evil? no it's not. listen,lthink- that's evil? no it's not. listen,lthink it's- that's evil? no it's not. listen, think it's generous listen, i think it's a generous thing away one of your thing to give away one of your organs to somebody who you love. like know, like that. especially, you know, giving 77 giving away to a to a 77 year old who's about die . old woman who's about to die. wife, wife. you know, he wife, his wife. you know, he siiii— wife, his wife. you know, he siiii iris— wife, his wife. you know, he siiii iris i— wife, his wife. you know, he still has a long— wife, his wife. you know, he still has a long life ahead of mm.— still has a long life ahead of rim-stir- still has a long life ahead of him-still much. still has a long life ahead of. him-still much still him. well, he's still much still iwe—i- him. well, he's still much still iwe—i mewl live on one kidney. i know reorie— live on one kidney. i know testis-me- live on one kidney. i know people one kidney. you people who have one kidney. you want something as a want to know something as a persm— want to know something as a person-wim— want to know something as a persm-wim i— want to know something as a person with a stage three, want to know something as a prkidney with a stage three, want to know something as a prkidney with isstage three, want to know something as a prkidney with isstage tisae, a kidney disease is which is iewis— a kidney disease is which is louis schaffer— a kidney disease is which is louis schaffer .— a kidney disease is which is louis schaffer . have a kidney disease is which is louis schaffer. have you? louis schaffer. oh, have you? rem,— louis schaffer. oh, have you? yeah-realty?- louis schaffer. oh, have you? yeah,-really? i- louis schaffer. oh, have you? yeah, really? i do. yeah, i do. really? i do. i ii— yeah, i do. really? i do. i mean, it sounds- yeah, i do. really? i do. i mean, it sounds worse than it is, mean, it sounds worse than it isr-l_ mean, it sounds worse than it is-i siiii— mean, it sounds worse than it is,-i still have— mean, it sounds worse than it is,-i still have it.-i. is, but i still have it. and i 90— is, but i still have it. and i is ie— is, but i still have it. and i is is me— is, but i still have it. and i go to the doctor.- is, but i still have it. and i go to the doctor. the nhs has been— go to the doctor. the nhs has- teem—rims been amazing to me. maybe that's a been amazing to me. maybe that's elim— been amazing to me. maybe that's iliee persimm— been amazing to me. maybe that's iliee persmii. i— been amazing to me. maybe that's a too personal. i don't know a bit too personal. i don't know whether— a bit too personal. i don't know whether i— a bit too personal. i don't know whether i ii— a bit too personal. i don't know whether i go on— a bit too personal. i don't know whether i go on right is that you— whether i go on right is that wew meei— whether i go on right is that you need each— whether i go on right is that you need each each kidney

ieeiwse— you need each each kidney because maybe _ you need each each kidney because maybe you have two wiimews.— because maybe you have two wiimews. ii— because maybe you have two kidneys. if two— because maybe you have two kidneys. if two kidneys are working—me- kidneys. if two kidneys are working—one at working well. but if one is at 50,— working well. but if one is at sew-emer— working well. but if one is at 50,-other one— working well. but if one is at 50,-other one is- working well. but if one is at 50, other one is 50, then 50, the other one is 50, then you— 50, the other one is 50, then you eliminate— 50, the other one is 50, then you eliminate it. - 50, the other one is 50, then you eliminate it. vic: 50, the other one is 50, then you eliminate it. eric: c you eliminate it. well, it depends. it depends. listen i don't know about that. you don't know that . i know somebody know about that. i know somebody who has one. kidneys perfectly know about that. i know somebody who hasa ne. kidneys perfectly know about that. i know somebody who hasa young neys perfectly know about that. i know somebody who hasa young lad, perfectly know about that. i know somebody who hasa young lad, andfectly know about that. i know somebody who hasa young lad, and he's' fine. so a young lad, and he's living healthily. living perfectly healthily. you only think only actually, i think specifically really one. specifically really need one. the back up. and if the second is back up. and if you somebody that you can give it to somebody that you can give it to somebody that you them alive, you love to keep them alive, i would. that's initially that's imiiiiiw— would. that's initially that's imiriiiiw you— would. that's initially that's initially you - do - : that's initially that's initially you do that initially you would do that mwwm. — initially you would do that mwwm. imi— initially you would do that anyway. h , initially you would do that anyway. e. d anyway. tina turner. legend or not, legend. she's a legend. i wewii— not, legend. she's a legend. i wewii sm— not, legend. she's a legend. i would say tina— not, legend. she's a legend. i would say tina turner- 3: she's a legend. i would say tina turner is amazing . seme— would say tina turner is amazing . some m— would say tina turner is amazing . some of those— would say tina turner is amazing . some of those songs, river weep— . some of those songs, river deep mountain— . some of those songs, river deep mountain high is one of the top deep mountain high is one of the rep rem— deep mountain high is one of the rep rem semis— deep mountain high is one of the top ten songs ever— deep mountain high is one of the top ten songs ever made . and but top ten songs ever made. and but at top ten songs ever made. and but m-sime— top ten songs ever made. and but m-sime rime— top ten songs ever made. and but m-sime rime .— top ten songs ever made. and but at-same time , at— top ten songs ever made. and but at same time , at the same at the same time, at the same rm...— at the same time, at the same time i— at the same time, at the same time i i— at the same time, at the same time, if i think— at the same time, at the same time, if i think what she did wim— time, if i think what she did with mer— time, if i think what she did with her husband is so were you expecfi“9_ with her husband is so were you expeerime imme— with her husband is so were you expecting that? no— with her husband is so were you expecting that? no are you emeerimee — expecting that? no are you expecting? so _ expecting that? no are you expecting? so anyway. so when are you back? you're on headline. i'm on headline is meri— headline. i'm on headline is mexi week.— headline. i'm on headline is mexi week. i— headline. i'm on headline is next week. i-know.- : i'm on headline is next week. i know. it's next week. i don't know. it's ewr-imimi- next week. i don't know. it's. our-tonight.-not next week. i don't know. it's omtonight. tonight. not next week. i don't know. it's omtonight. butjnight. not next week. i don't know. it's omtonight. but thank not next week. i don't know. it's omtonight. but thank you not next week. i don't know. it's omtonight. but thank you for: on tonight. but thank you for mime.— on tonight. but thank you for mimi- i— on tonight. but thank you for asking. i should— on tonight. but thank you for asking. i should have checked my eiiemim— asking. i should have checked my eiiemimlii— asking. i should have checked my calendariit could— asking. i should have checked my calendar it could tomorrow calendar. it could be tomorrow mimi. —wmeie- calendar. it could be tomorrow| night._whole show calendar. it could be tomorrow. night._whole show is night. anyway, the whole show is so imi— night. anyway, the whole show is so moi-mew—

night. anyway, the whole show is so good-they have- so good where they have comedians— so good where they have. comedians—i'm so good where they have- comedians_|'m like comedians not like me. i'm like . im— comedians not like me. i'm like . i-m-i-m— comedians not like me. i'm like .i-m-i-mliii— .i'm like. i'm a bit disorganised, but, like, real proper— disorganised, but, like, real proper comedians. j: proper comedians. lewis, you're fantastic. thank— proper comedians. lewis, you're fantastic . thank you- proper comedians. j: rt. thank you very much. fantastic. thank you very much. eem-i— fantastic. thank you very much. wm-i ism— fantastic. thank you very much. wm-i ism m— fantastic. thank you very much. don't look at me— fantastic. thank you very much. don't look at me that- rt. thank you very much. don't look at me that way. thank you don't look at me that way. thank wew rer— don't look at me that way. thank you for coming. — don't look at me that way. thank you for coming. tina turner is immine— you for coming. tina turner is amazing .— you for coming. tina turner is amazing . sire— you for coming. tina turner is amazing . she is— you for coming. tina turner is amazing . she is great. amazing. she is great. what a legend-— amazing. she is great. what a iegemi. iewis— amazing. she is great. what a legend. lewis schaffer, thank you he's a gb news you very much. he's a gb news presenter. a comedian as you very much. he's a gb news prese this a comedian as you very much. he's a gb news prese this is a comedian as you very much. he's a gb news prese this is gba comedian as you very much. he's a gb news prese this is gb news.vdian as you very much. he's a gb news prese this is gb news. we'reis well. this is gb news. we're live on online , on and on live on tv online, on and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. still to come, be delving still to come, we'll be delving into the world ai. this, into the world of ai. this, i think, phenomenal, think, is phenomenal, a pioneering has pioneering ai system that has enabled a paralysed man to walk again after 12 years. now, apparently, as i read reports, it said that he was walked around for about 30 minutes. is that not incredible? it is. could this change the face of neuroscience? but up next, it's climate control . i'll be asking, climate control. i'll be asking, are you fed up with just stop oil's after their latest oil's antics after their latest stunt where threw stunt where they threw paint over exhibit at the chelsea over the exhibit at the chelsea flower have just stop flower show? i'll have just stop oil lois perry in the studio oil and lois perry in the studio after

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am joined in the studio by lewis perry , the ceo of car 26 and perry, the ceo of car 26 and francis davis from just stop oil. she's a spokesperson for francis . i've got start with francis. i've got to start with you. what was point of francis. i've got to start with you. that what was point of francis. i've got to start with you. that at at was point of francis. i've got to start with you. that at a was point of francis. i've got to start with you. that at a flower point of francis. i've got to start with you. that at a flower shownt of francis. i've got to start with you. that at a flower show like doing that at a flower show like the chelsea flower show, which does pride itself on sustainability ? well, there's sustainability? well, there's two reasons, really- sustainability? well, there's two reasons, really . - l ”7 well, there's two reasons, really . cjjr: sustainability? well, there's- two reasons, really . one of them two reasons, really. one of them was that that particular garden was that that particular garden was owned by the royal bank of canada, which is now one of the leading investors in fossil fuels . and meanwhile, in canada, fuels. and meanwhile, in canada, they are seeing an area the size of wales is on fire. there are wildfires the size of wales and thousands of people are being displaced. the other reason is mm.— displaced. the other reason is mm. irmwiw— displaced. the other reason is that, frankly, this— r: t: the other reason is that, frankly, this issue is mm— that, frankly, this issue is more than an— that, frankly, this issue is more than an issue. j rtj more than an issue. this crisis . mis— more than an issue. this crisis . iris is— more than an issue. this crisis . this is not getting the airtime that it deserves. it is not the people are not being told what they need to know about crisis. and about this crisis. and unfortunately, takes causing unfortunately, it takes causing disruption and disrupting cultural , you know, cultural cultural, you know, cultural things to get us on here to be able to talk about it and to be able to talk about it and to be able to talk about it and to be able to tell your viewers what they what they need to know . they what they need to know. well, francis, i thought well, francis, «i thought that well, francis, i thought that rwsi—i-

well, francis, i thought that just—a founder| well, francis, i thought that- just_a founder who just stop oil had a founder who was a billionaire— just stop oil had a founder who was a billionaire and was in oil mi— was a billionaire and was in oil mi-iei-s— was a billionaire and was in oil mi-iei-s ie- was a billionaire and was in oil mi-iei-s is ie- was a billionaire and was in oil and let's go to lewis and gas. but let's go to lewis reweii. — and gas. but let's go to lewis powell. of powell. well, yeah, quite one of your funders , i don't your main funders, i don't know if aware, getty if you're aware, is the getty family. and they want to family. and so they want to stop, not oil gas, but stop, not oil and gas, but actually all new oil and gas exploration contracts. who will that benefit ? people that have that benefit? people that have existing oil and gas contracts. my existing oil and gas contracts. my understand that that garden was actually represented kyiv of a sustainable garden . so the a sustainable garden. so the fact that you guys actually targeted that shows your extra ordinary ignorance. so these these extreme weather events , my these extreme weather events, my understanding is there's no more extreme weather events than they've ever been. and actually that's indicated in the ipcc report. so can you elaborate on that? francis report. so can you elaborate on that ? francis yeah, that's not that? francis yeah, that's not wmm— that? francis yeah, that's not wirm ire— that? francis yeah, that's not what the ipcc— gae7 francis yeah, that's not what the ipcc report is saying. war.— what the ipcc report is saying. weii. ii— what the ipcc report is saying. weii. ii is.— what the ipcc report is saying. well, it is, yeah.— what the ipcc report is saying. well, it is, yeah. have- what the ipcc report is saying. well, it is, yeah. have you- what the ipcc report is saying. well, it is, yeah. have you read it? we need to make a rapid transition away from fossil fuels we are going to stop fuels if we are going to stop seeing extreme weather seeing these extreme weather events. , yeah, last events. i mean, yeah, last week, but true , is it? their but it's not true, is it? their projected rainfall in 36 hours, half of their projected rainfall

for the year in 36 hours and 15 people have died and 30 you know, people die all the time from extreme weather events. but actually, the amount of people— but actually, the amount of peepie mm— but actually, the amount of people that have died from eieme— people that have died from extreme weather events over the imi— extreme weather events over the rest-wears— extreme weather events over the last _years i actually i last hundred years is actually iswm— last hundred years is actually iewm-ami— last hundred years is actually down-and since- last hundred years is actually down and since the down by 99. and since the imiwsiriii— down by 99. and since the industrial revolution, life expeermew— industrial revolution, life expectancy has doubled. so iessii— expectancy has doubled. so fossil fuels,— expectancy has doubled. so fossil fuels, you— expectancy has doubled. so fossil fuels, you know, they're mei— fossil fuels, you know, they're mei going — fossil fuels, you know, they're not going anywhere, don't you? wew— not going anywhere, don't you? wew mew.— not going anywhere, don't you? you know, that's— not going anywhere, don't you? you know, that's why the fossil iwei— you know, that's why the fossil fuel companies— you know, that's why the fossil fuel companies are actually in on fuel companies are actually in m-wmeie— fuel companies are actually in on .whole scam- fuel companies are actually in on whole scam because on this whole scam because mew-re— on this whole scam because they're anywhere. on this whole scam because- they're - anywhere. and they're not going anywhere. and miwiiiw—ieimi- they're not going anywhere. and actually,_doing is. actually, what you're doing is pwsmimi—mel pushing the prices and the profitability— pushing the prices and the profitability for the oil companies— profitability for the oil companies and the gas companies up. companies and the gas companies we. .ie— companies and the gas companies we. .ie wew— companies and the gas companies we. .ie wew ieei— companies and the gas companies up. do you feel about that, up. how do you feel about that, rrmeis— up. how do you feel about that, rrmeis ever— up. how do you feel about that, francis over a— up. how do you feel about that, francis over a thousand people rime— francis over a thousand people were iiei— francis over a thousand people were iiei im— francis over a thousand people have died in pakistan in you mew.— have died in pakistan in you knew we— have died in pakistan in you knew we keep— have died in pakistan in you know, we keep seeing these emsi — know, we keep seeing these events. what— know, we keep seeing these events. �*vfrvjev j: know, we keep seeing these events. jrg events. what you're saying is simply not true. what i'm saying is backed by the united nations world's top scientists . you world's top scientists. you know, they're very : 9rt you know, they're very trustworthy. we know, they're very trustworthy. we meei— know, they're very trustworthy. we meei re — know, they're very trustworthy. we need to make— know, they're very trustworthy. we need to make a transition mm— we need to make a transition mm mem— we need to make a transition away from _fuels- we need to make a transition away from fuels if we are away from fossil fuels if we are going— away from fossil fuels if we are going ie— away from fossil fuels if we are going is simi— away from fossil fuels if we are going to stand a— away from fossil fuels if we are going to stand a chance of swwiwimi— going to stand a chance of swwiwimi . — going to stand a chance of surviving . now,- going to stand a chance of surviving. \rvziv�*ij" rtevj going to stand a chance of surviving . \rvif.v�*ivj" tevj t j going to stand a chance of- surviving . now, canlcan i just surviving. now, can i can ijust interject, francis? you interject, francis? i mean, you are aware that half these things that need to create, we need are aware that half these things thruse need to create, we need are aware that half these things thruse fossili to create, we need are aware that half these things thruse fossil fuels'eate, we need are aware that half these things thruse fossil fuels fore, we need are aware that half these things thruse fossil fuels for thingsieed

to use fossil fuels for things like make like concrete. you can't make concrete fuels . i concrete without fossil fuels. i mean, just about, you mean, it's not just about, you know given know, the emissions given from oil and gas. there are other elements that required , even elements that are required, even fertiliser. lots and lots of fertiliser. so lots and lots of things require fossil fuels. fertiliser. so lots and lots of things require fossil fuels . and things require fossil fuels. and actually it could be argued that the revolution the industrial revolution in saved it not been saved more lives had it not been for a lot of people would be dead. would you dead. i mean, how would you respond francis well, respond to that? francis well, it's simply true . do you it's simply not true. do you really that it's simply not true. do you really _that thousandsi it's simply not true. do you. really _that thousands of really think that thousands of people— really think that thousands of peepie .— really think that thousands of people , millions of people people, millions of people in the people, millions of people in ire—iesewe- people, millions of people in. the—deserveldie the global south deserve to die ieeiwse— the global south deserve to die ieeiwse-iei- the global south deserve to die because-get our- the global south deserve to die because get our no, no, because we can't get our no, no, no because we can't get our no, no, me emer— because we can't get our no, no, me other ways— because we can't get our no, no, me other ways ie— because we can't get our no, no, no other ways to build things. im— no other ways to build things. iwi-ii— no other ways to build things. iwi-ii mei— no other ways to build things. but-it not true?- no other ways to build things. but-it not true? you - no other ways to build things. | but-it not true? you said but why is it not true? you said it's simply not true. it is true like fuels . you we like fossil fuels. you know, we use medicines, use concrete medicines, medicine, everything, everything . i'm wondering you . i'm just wondering why you keep telling me how many people are dying. just are dying. but i'm just wondering, you not see that wondering, do you not see that there is a benefit because we keep fuels into keep putting fossil fuels into the . we're not saying the atmosphere. we're not saying that the atmosphere. we're not saying rim-meei— the atmosphere. we're not saying that-need-back- the atmosphere. we're not saying that. need - back to - the atmosphere. we're not saying that-need-back to the. that we need to go back to the im— that we need to go back to the ism-were— that we need to go back to the dark-we're not- that we need to go back to the dark we're not saying dark ages. we're not saying mm. — dark ages. we're not saying mm. _yew— dark ages. we're not saying that. _you are- dark ages. we're not saying- that. _you are immediately that. well, you are immediately on fuels. we are saying on fossil fuels. we are saying mm— on fossil fuels. we are saying rim-emir— on fossil fuels. we are saying that-eight years- on fossil fuels. we are sayingi that-eight years worth that we have eight years worth of that we have eight years worth m—reserwes- that we have eight years worth of_reserves andi of oil and gas in reserves and mm— of oil and gas in reserves and mm is— of oil and gas in reserves and mm is se— of oil and gas in reserves and that is so untrue. - of oil and gas in reserves and that is so untrue. e l. j r: . lois, that is so untrue. e l. j lois, can that is so untrue. it's- unbelievable. lois, can you let her unbelievable. lois, can you let irer iimism—

unbelievable. lois, can you let irer iimism e— unbelievable. lois, can you let her finish ? sorry,— l. jj: lois, can you let her finish ? sorry, francis. i her finish? sorry, francis. i iiim-i— her finish? sorry, francis. i iiim-i mem— her finish? sorry, francis. i didn't hear the— her finish? sorry, francis. i didn't hear the end . didn't hear the end. i mean, remewmies— didn't hear the end. i mean, renewables are nine times cheaper according to their own scientists. insulation if we insulated people's homes, that would save as much energy as up to six nuclear power plants in a yeah to six nuclear power plants in a year. the government is investing— year. the government is investing £236 - the government is investing £236 million a week in iessii— investing £236 million a week in iessii iweis— investing £236 million a week in fossil fuels. this— investing £236 million a week in fossil fuels. this is— investing £236 million a week in fossil fuels. this is such a rip mi. — fossil fuels. this is such a rip mi. rewr— fossil fuels. this is such a rip off. your viewers— fossil fuels. this is such a rip off. your viewers are being rippei— off. your viewers are being rippei mi.— off. your viewers are being ripped off. all— off. your viewers are being ripped off. all right. okay. mess— ripped off. all right. okay. time your— ripped off. all right. okay. right. ripped off. all right. okay. j right. okay. bless your heart. right. okay. so bless your heart. right. okay. so iessii— bless your heart. right. okay. so iessii se— bless your heart. right. okay. so fossil so renewables- j right. okay. so fossil so renewables are not in my— so fossil so renewables are not in my wm— so fossil so renewables are not in any way cheaper. they are in extraordinarily— in any way cheaper. they are in extraordinarily subsidised and in extraordinarily subsidised and im mimi— extraordinarily subsidised and in actual fact,— extraordinarily subsidised and in actual fact, what they do by the in actual fact, what they do by me im— in actual fact, what they do by the fact that— in actual fact, what they do by the fact that we _ in actual fact, what they do by the fact that we have a legal reiwirememi— the fact that we have a legal requirement to— the fact that we have a legal requirement to put this cemetery— completely and utterly ridiculous— completely and utterly ridiculous energy, that it's eempiereiw— ridiculous energy, that it's completely intermittent onto our gridi— completely intermittent onto our gridr mikes— completely intermittent onto our gridr makes me— completely intermittent onto our grid, makes the price of oil and gas— grid, makes the price of oil and gas 90— grid, makes the price of oil and gas 90 up,— grid, makes the price of oil and ms is we. wmm— grid, makes the price of oil and gas go up, which we always need by gas go up, which we always need iw me— gas go up, which we always need iw me wew. — gas go up, which we always need iw me wew. rew— gas go up, which we always need by the way. you know, it's mseiwieiw— by the way. you know, it's absolutely and - by the way. you know, it's absolutely and complete nonsense. well, what would you say nonsense. well, what would you saw is— nonsense. well, what would you saw to times— nonsense. well, what would you say to francis point, though, mm— say to francis point, though, mm reorie— say to francis point, though, mm peepie you— say to francis point, though, that people you know, the environment,— that people you know, the environment, you know , we need environment, you know, we need to environment, you know, we need ie-emsiierimi— environment, you know, we need to-considering the- to start considering the environment- to start considering the environment and mean, just environment and i mean, just sim—tire- environment and i mean, just step—mire i- environment and i mean, justi stop—have a point environment and i mean, just- stop_have a point in stop oil. do you have a point in some respects? well, why would

you targeting. let you be targeting. sorry, let me finish. have finish. sorry but they have a point in some respects that that actually we need to start looking alternatives because actually we need to start loo can't alternatives because actually we need to start loo can't carrytrnatives because actually we need to start loo can't carry onitives because actually we need to start loo can't carry on itivthisecause actually we need to start loo can't carry onitivthis way. ;e we can't carry on in this way. i mean, a point that mean, is there a point to that at all? because all at all? no because actually all of alternatives are of the alternatives that are proposed green actually, proposed by this green actually, let's neo—marxist movement let's say neo—marxist movement are actually much less green. so for example, electric cars were— so for example, electric cars wirere wew-we— so for example, electric cars where you've got— so for example, electric cars where you've got little kids, iiiiie— where you've got little kids, iiiiie wis— where you've got little kids, little kids in— where you've got little kids, little kids in africa actually minimi— little kids in africa actually mining cobalt— little kids in africa actually mining cobalt and other minerals to mining cobalt and other minerals is mere— mining cobalt and other minerals is make these— mining cobalt and other minerals to make these supposedly green wmm— to make these supposedly green cars which are— to make these supposedly green cars which are charged using iessii— cars which are charged using iessii iwei— cars which are charged using fossil fuel generated electricity. - fossil fuel generated electricity. no they are not more green at— electricity. no they are not more green at all. well francis, wmm— more green at all. well francis, wirm ie— more green at all. well francis, wirm ie wew— more green at all. well francis, what do you what— more green at all. well francis, what do you what do you think of the what do you what do you think of me iiei— what do you what do you think of me iiei m— what do you what do you think of the idea of the— what do you what do you think of the idea of the electric car reweiwiim— the idea of the electric car revolution supposed to revolution that's supposed to sim — revolution that's supposed to step—gis- revolution that's supposed to. step—ees mime stop using oil and gas point? were— stop using oil and gas point? wire-immi— stop using oil and gas point? have-talked about- stop using oil and gas point? havethat talked about electric stop using oil and gas point? havethat hasad about electric stop using oil and gas point? cars that has never once come into oil's campaign? into just stop oil's campaign? all are asking that the all we are asking is that the government investing in new government stop investing in new oil and gas. do you know what? it had to come uninvested oil and gas. do you know what? it ha investjme uninvested oil and gas. do you know what? it hainvest ins uninvested oil and gas. do you know what? it hainvest in public ested oil and gas. do you know what? it ha invest in public transport. they invest in public transport. well what would you but but rim-s— well what would you but but mm-s mew-re — well what would you but but that's they're trying to make mm— that's they're trying to make mm is— that's they're trying to make mm is m— that's they're trying to make that as an alternative so that as an alternative though so the that as an alternative though so me remem— that as an alternative though so me wiry— that as an alternative though so the reason why we're talking mowi— the reason why we're talking about electric— the reason why we're talking about electric because about electric cars is because if in if we stop using oil and gas in terms—

if we stop using oil and gas in rermslwsimi— if we stop using oil and gas in terms-using motor- if we stop using oil and gas in terms using motor vehicles terms of using motor vehicles mi— terms of using motor vehicles mi immis— terms of using motor vehicles and things like— terms of using motor vehicles and things like that would and things like that, that would be - alternative. _ be the alternative. so what's wew—mm- be the alternative. so what's wew—mm e i be the alternative. so what's. your—that ? eight your response to that? eight years— your response to that? eight years transition? look, we years to transition? look, we have to start doing this. we have to start doing this. we have to start making a transition. i'm trying to transition. i'm here trying to represent know represent this science. you know , backed the world's , this is backed by the world's top . this is not an top scientists. this is not an opinion. so top scientists. this is not an opinion . so i appreciate that. opinion. so i appreciate that. i appreciate— opinion. so i appreciate that. i appreciate that. _ opinion. so i appreciate that. i appreciate that. but- j so i appreciate that. i appreciate that. evjr: appreciate that. but and yeah, maybe electric vehicles will be part of that, but that is really not main issue at not the main issue at the moment. main that moment. the main issue is that the house on fire, but what the house is on fire, but what is going the house is on fire. yeah. yeah. the house is on fire.— yeah. yeah. the house is on fire. swi— yeah. yeah. the house is on fire. but i've— yeah. yeah. the house is on fire. but i've just- yeah. yeah. the house is on fire. but i've just given you an iterative.— fire. but i've just given you an alternative-lois- fire. but i've just given you an alternative. lois has alternative. and lois has expiiimei— alternative. and lois has explained there is alternative. and lois has explained .there is issue explained that there is an issue wim— explained that there is an issue with - alternative, - explained that there is an issue with alternative, that with this alternative, that it eewii— with this alternative, that it eewii-im- with this alternative, that it could-in terms. with this alternative, that it could in terms of with this alternative, that it. could-in terms of the could be worse in terms of the emwiremmmi— could be worse in terms of the environment. saying, environment. and i'm saying, mm— environment. and i'm saying, mew—wew.- environment. and i'm saying, mew—wew. wei okay, so we go with you. we get rid okay, so we go with you. we get rii m— okay, so we go with you. we get iii of me— okay, so we go with you. we get iii of me iii— okay, so we go with you. we get rid of the oil and— okay, so we go with you. we get rid of the oil and gas, we start wsimi— rid of the oil and gas, we start using-vehicles.- rid of the oil and gas, we start using vehicles. but using electric vehicles. but wmm— using electric vehicles. but wirm mowi— using electric vehicles. but what about issues what about the issues with miser— what about the issues with . those?_relevant what about the issues with - those?_relevant ? those? or is that not relevant? it those? or is that not relevant? iilwe— those? or is that not relevant? iilwe imi— those? or is that not relevant? itiwe just have— those? or is that not relevant? itiwe just have to - those? or is that not relevant? itiwe just have to start- it is. we just have to start making a transition. mean, all making a transition. i mean, all of well and good and of this is well and good and definitely part of the debate. but actually ultimately, the government is doing nothing. they going the government is they are going the government is doing much. it's unbelievable doing so much. it's unbelievable mei— doing so much. it's unbelievable meir mswer— doing so much. it's unbelievable their answer, because— r:r:ij jrg .rt.j it's unbelievable their answer, because i'm asking their answer, because i'm asking me iwesiims— their answer, because i'm asking the questions and— their answer, because i'm asking the questions and i'm not

detrime— the questions and i'm not getting is— the questions and i'm not getting to hear- the questions and i'm not getting to hear the full answer. i'll getting to hear the full answer. it give— getting to hear the full answer. it give wew— getting to hear the full answer. i'll give you .final_ getting to hear the full answer. i'll give you .final 205- getting to hear the full answer. i'll give you .final 205 less. i'll give you the final 20s less the you're in. is it the house that you're in. is it powered by a heat pump- j: j is it powered by a heat pump ? do you powered by a heat pump? do you mwe— powered by a heat pump? do you were im— powered by a heat pump? do you were ees e— powered by a heat pump? do you have gas ? because— powered by a heat pump? do you have gas ? because i can see that have gas? because i can see that wewre— have gas? because i can see that wewre im— have gas? because i can see that wewre im wew— have gas? because i can see that wewre im wewr. — have gas? because i can see that wewre in your- im— have gas? because i can see that you're in your . j: have gas? because i can see that you're in your. j: you're in your. i'm sure that's what you're going to say. but you that's because you know what? that's because the living the system that we are living in is because in an is broken because we're in an economy that is built on oil and gas. and government has gas. and this government has made this economy run on made this whole economy run on oil . don't oil and gas. don't have a choice. i can't afford not choice. have i can't afford not to and nobody can afford not to. and that's the point . nobody can and that's the point. nobody can meri— and that's the point. nobody can mieri ii.— and that's the point. nobody can afford it. frances. that is the point. all right, frances, thank you very much to come from the government right. well, okay, we are government. pay from government right. well, okay, we are taxes. vernment. pay from government right. well, okay, we are taxes. frances.t. pay from government right. well, okay, we are taxes. frances. frances,y from our taxes. frances. frances, thank you very much. frances davis oil davis from just stop oil spokesperson from car spokesperson lois parry from car 26 do you think? 26 acas. what do you think? crikey, did we talk about the garden at all? let's have a quick look what you've been quick look at what you've been saying says, saying then. sue says, just stop. the stop. oil should be on the pavement banners pavement with their banners shouting their protest. no one has with what we has a problem with that. what we do problem with the do have a problem with is the criminal damage and the road blocking. says. police blocking. allen says. police inaction on the protest is causing normal law abiding

people to take the law into their and criminalise their own hands and criminalise themselves. says, just themselves. jacqui says, just stop. all idiots are not heroes . vandals and . they are common vandals and should . is there should be jailed. is there anybody support of if anybody in support of them? if you in you are, let us know. i'm in support of in a sense, some of the things want, but the things that they want, but i'm not in support of their actions. actually, i don't actions. and actually, i don't know of know whether i'm in support of any you're with me. i'm any of it. you're with me. i'm nana gb on any of it. you're with me. i'm naronline gb on any of it. you're with me. i'm naronline and gb on any of it. you're with me. i'm naronline and on gb on any of it. you're with me. i'm naronline and on digital on any of it. you're with me. i'm naronline and on digital radio.n tv, online and on digital radio. i was just being uncharacteristically kind. after i was just being unc break,tristically kind. after i was just being unc break, i'llically kind. after i was just being unc break, i'll be ly kind. after i was just being unc break, i'll be ly kind. intor the break, i'll be delving into the break, i'll be delving into the technology, the world of ai technology, a pioneering system enabled pioneering ai system has enabled a man to walk again a paralysed man to walk again after 12 years. could this change the of neuroscience? change the face of neuroscience? but first, let's get your latest news headlines . thank you but first, let's get your latest news headlines. thank you very mwem — news headlines. thank you very mwem wmi— news headlines. thank you very mwem wmi — news headlines. thank you very much. nana i'm— news headlines. thank you very much. nana i'm rory- news headlines. thank you very much. nana i'm rory smith in the newsroom itv says it found no evidence of a relationship between philip schofield and another employee during an investigation in 2020. the broadcaster says there were questioned after hearing rumours, but both men deny said they were seeing each other. the

tv presenter resigned yesterday after admitting he had an affair with a young male colleague , with a young male colleague, which he described as unwise but not illegal. he told the daily mail he lied about the relationship to his wife, to his colleagues, to his friends and to his agents. air passenger have been voicing their frustrations following a nationwide border control system failure. thousands of people trying to get away for the bank houday trying to get away for the bank holiday are facing delays following a technical fault affecting e—gates . the home affecting e—gates. the home office says it is working to resolve the problem which is operated by border force. the uk's biggest airport. heathrow, says it's trying to manage queues and is working with authorities to fix the issue as quickly as possible . all stand quickly as possible. all stand with travel news now. and passengers at the port of dover are also experiencing delays following earlier. it issues at border control. apollo organising for the disruption. the port authority says the problem has been fixed, but there are still queues with cars

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—misel week's political spotlight righti now._this? it's now. who remembers this? it's mw— now. who remembers this? it's emw me— now. who remembers this? it's only the chairman— now. who remembers this? it's only the chairman who can remove eeeeie— only the chairman who can remove eeeeie-meeiimi— only the chairman who can remove eeeeie-meeiime. - only the chairman who can remove people meeting . v/rzitr: people from a meeting. you have no people from a meeting. you have me ewmeriw— people from a meeting. you have no authority here, jackie weaver. no authority at all. she just kicked him out . no, she just kicked him out. no, she-s— she just kicked him out. no, sie-s iieiei— she just kicked him out. no, she's kicked him _ she just kicked him out. no, she's kicked him out.- she just kicked him out. no, she's kicked him out. no, don't . she's kicked him out . yes. . she's kicked him out. yes. jackie weaver . she t: j yes. jackie weaver . she shot to fame jackie weaver. she shot to fame mer— jackie weaver. she shot to fame site we — jackie weaver. she shot to fame site we jew— jackie weaver. she shot to fame after the jaw dropping council meeting— after the jaw dropping council meeiimimm— after the jaw dropping council meeting that went viral online . meeting that went viral online. sire-ii— meeting that went viral online. swe-ii ie— meeting that went viral online. she'll be joining— meeting that went viral online. she'll be joining me to tell us mem— she'll be joining me to tell us eiewi mew— she'll be joining me to tell us about how she— she'll be joining me to tell us about how she does indeed have all about how she does indeed have eii ire— about how she does indeed have all the authority.— about how she does indeed have all the authority. but next, all the authority. but up next, are all the authority. but up next, ere-iewime— all the authority. but up next, are-delving-the- all the authority. but up next, are delving the world of are we delving into the world of ai are we delving into the world of ar reeimeiegwe— are we delving into the world of ai technology? you _ are we delving into the world of ai technology? you will not want are we delving into the world of ai techrthis|y? you will not want

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difference. whilst the other countries normal, he countries carry on as normal, he says someone should ask these hypocritical protesters what cars drive and how they cars they drive and how they warm their houses . do cars they drive and how they warm their houses. do you cars they drive and how they warm their houses . do you not warm their houses. do you not realise they don't realise that oil used oil derivatives are used in virtually everything they wear, along most of things along with most of the things they use? he says. they don't know. them, know. and when you do ask them, they can't to they go, well, i can't afford to . yeah, neither can we. ryan says, just stop oil. are protesting about a worthy cause. no one else will admit we are in a crisis and actually do a climate crisis and actually do anything about it. so they have no choice. but to try and get the government's attention . the government's attention. yeah, would fair. but yeah, that would be fair. but that but the government that is fair. but the government are trying to do something with it. broke, it. that's why we're all broke, right says that it right. well, itv says that it found no evidence of a relationship between phillip schofield and another employee dunng schofield and another employee during investigation 2020. schofield and another employee dine're investigation 2020. schofield and another employee dine're moving gation 2020. schofield and another employee dine're moving to tion 2020. schofield and another employee dine're moving to oni 2020. schofield and another employee dine're moving to on phillip0. so we're moving to on phillip schofield. and this comes as philip's schofield admitted to an much younger an affair with a much younger man, this morning man, the former this morning presenter described his relationship employee relationship with itv employee as unwise not illegal and as unwise but not illegal and admitted to lying to his friends . the management and pretty much

everybody about the affair. right. to gb news right. let's go to gb news national reporter theo chikomba and get an update with that story . theo, what have got story. theo, what have we got now ? well, any more things now? well, any more things emerging . yes. well, this emerging. yes. well, this miemeem— emerging. yes. well, this afternoon, itv— r::j:jrg jrg yes. well, this afternoon, itv released a statement— afternoon, itv released a statement highlighting some of the statement highlighting some of me iwesiiems— statement highlighting some of the questions that people had me— the questions that people had over the last— the questions that people had over the last few— the questions that people had over the last few weeks. and in a over the last few weeks. and in e sieiememi— over the last few weeks. and in a statement, they— over the last few weeks. and in a statement, they said further to a statement, they said further re ewr— a statement, they said further to our statement— a statement, they said further to our statement last night, itv eemiirm — to our statement last night, itv can confirm that— to our statement last night, itv can confirm that when rumours mi— can confirm that when rumours mi ei— can confirm that when rumours mi ei e— can confirm that when rumours and of a relationship between imiiiie— and of a relationship between phillip schofield and an emeiewee— phillip schofield and an emeiewee ei— phillip schofield and an employee of itv first began to eirewime— employee of itv first began to eirewime im— employee of itv first began to circulate in early— employee of itv first began to circulate in early 2020, itv investigated.— circulate in early 2020, itv investigated. they went on to say— investigated. they went on to sew ieim — investigated. they went on to say both parties— investigated. they went on to say both parties were questioned and say both parties were questioned mi eem— say both parties were questioned and both categorically and reeemeiiw— and both categorically and repeatedly denied the rumours, as repeatedly denied the rumours, es iii— repeatedly denied the rumours, as did philip's— repeatedly denied the rumours, as did philip's then agency. why rwm— as did philip's then agency. why iiiwe mew— as did philip's then agency. why emu? they went— as did philip's then agency. why emu? they went on to say this in eiiiiiem— emu? they went on to say this in eiiiiiem riv— emu? they went on to say this in addition, itv spoke— emu? they went on to say this in addition, itv spoke to a number of addition, itv spoke to a number er eeeeie— addition, itv spoke to a number er eeeeie wire— addition, itv spoke to a number of people who worked on this memimi— of people who worked on this morning mi— of people who worked on this morning and were not provided wim— morning and were not provided with mw— morning and were not provided with my mi— morning and were not provided with any and did— morning and were not provided with any and did not find any ewiiemee— with any and did not find any ewiiemee ei— with any and did not find any evidence of a— with any and did not find any evidence of a relationship iewemi— evidence of a relationship beyond hearsay and a rumour. but

wmm— beyond hearsay and a rumour. but wirm we— beyond hearsay and a rumour. but wirm we ie— beyond hearsay and a rumour. but what we do know— beyond hearsay and a rumour. but what we do know now is that imiiiie— what we do know now is that phillip schofield _ what we do know now is that phillip schofield has addressed ei— phillip schofield has addressed some of these— phillip schofield has addressed some of these things in the statement— some of these things in the statement that— some of these things in the statement that he addressed to weiw— statement that he addressed to weiw iiei— statement that he addressed to daily iieii rer— statement that he addressed to daily mail for people to read wesreriew— daily mail for people to read wesreriew mi— daily mail for people to read yesterday and today we've been getting— yesterday and today we've been getting e— yesterday and today we've been getting a glimpse— yesterday and today we've been getting a glimpse of what some of getting a glimpse of what some ei ire— getting a glimpse of what some er me eeeeie— getting a glimpse of what some of the people here think, emiewimw— of the people here think, particularly those who've wmmei— particularly those who've watched the _ particularly those who've watched the programme over the wears— watched the programme over the wears-swipese- watched the programme over the wears-swipeselis- years. yeah, i suppose it is iwe— years. yeah, i suppose it is iiie ii-s— years. yeah, i suppose it is iiie is e— years. yeah, i suppose it is like it's a shame he's like someone that— like it's a shame he's like someone that people i really iwe— someone that people i really iiie mi— someone that people i really like and like— someone that people i really like and like looked up to. so rem.— like and like looked up to. so wem. ii— like and like looked up to. so yeah, it definitely— like and like looked up to. so yeah, it definitely is- like and like looked up to. so yeah, it definitely is a- like and like looked up to. so yeah, it definitely is a shame. i a big part of itv i think it was a big part of itv him and holly were very close together , but it is what it is together, but it is what it is sometimes. this is a blessing in iisewise— sometimes. this is a blessing in iisiwise. — sometimes. this is a blessing in iisgwise. ii— sometimes. this is a blessing in disguise. it could— sometimes. this is a blessing in disguise. it could-that- sometimes. this is a blessing in disguise. it could-that he. disguise. it could be that he might on and do might need to move on and do something a something different. now. it's a real that happened real shame that it's happened like to things like this due to close things behind , but you behind closed doors, but you never might in never know what might happen in the future. hopefully they can all rekindle , but wish them all rekindle, but i wish them all rekindle, but i wish them all the best. and having spoken to all the best. and having spoken re eeeeie— all the best. and having spoken re eeeeie mere— and having spoken to people here throughout the day .— to people here throughout the iew . e— to people here throughout the iew . e rei— to people here throughout the iew . e iei ei— to people here throughout the day , a lot of people have been day, a lot of people have been reieremeimi— day, a lot of people have been referencing the _ day, a lot of people have been referencing the relationship wmm— referencing the relationship wirim mes— referencing the relationship which has been spoken about over rime— which has been spoken about over rime mew— which has been spoken about over some time now. but— which has been spoken about over some time now. but in his statement— some time now. but in his statement he— some time now. but in his statement he said he was so, so wew— statement he said he was so, so wew serw— statement he said he was so, so wew serw rer— statement he said he was so, so very sorry for being— statement he said he was so, so very sorry for being unsafe, ewiwi— very sorry for being unsafe, ewiwi ie— very sorry for being unsafe, awful to his— very sorry for being unsafe, awful to his wife and for lying to

awful to his wife and for lying re iris— awful to his wife and for lying to his colleagues,— awful to his wife and for lying to his colleagues, agents, emeiewees— to his colleagues, agents, employees, friends and for those in employees, friends and for those im-eress— employees, friends and for those im-eress .— employees, friends and for those impress. me— employees, friends and for those in press. he continued by in the press. he continued by sayingr— in the press. he continued by sewing. eemrrmw— in the press. he continued by saying, contrary to speculation, wiriisi— saying, contrary to speculation, wmiisi i— saying, contrary to speculation, wmiisi i mei— saying, contrary to speculation, whilst i met the— saying, contrary to speculation, whilst i met the man when he was a whilst i met the man when he was eieemeier— whilst i met the man when he was ereemmer mi— whilst i met the man when he was a teenager and asked to help a teenager and was asked to help mim— a teenager and was asked to help rim-mie— a teenager and was asked to help rim-imie ire— a teenager and was asked to help him into the television him to get into the television imiwsirw— him to get into the television imiwsirw ii— him to get into the television industry, it was— him to get into the television industry, it was only after he simei— industry, it was only after he simei wew— industry, it was only after he started work on— industry, it was only after he started work on show that it started work on the show that it eem— started work on the show that it became more than— started work on the show that it became more than just a termite— became more than just a iriemismie .— became more than just a friendship , that that friendship friendship, that that friendship was unwise but— friendship, that that friendship was unwise but not illegal. it is mew— was unwise but not illegal. it is now over moving on from that, mere— is now over moving on from that, were me— is now over moving on from that, there are questions— is now over moving on from that, there are questions now about mew— there are questions now about mew iris— there are questions now about how this morning— there are questions now about how this morning is going to meme.— how this morning is going to operate. we've— how this morning is going to operate. we've seen cover presenters— operate. we've seen cover presemrers er— operate. we've seen cover presenters or those who normally go presenters or those who normally 90 em— presenters or those who normally go on periodically— presenters or those who normally go on periodically ,_ presenters or those who normally go on periodically , at times go on periodically, at times eemimi— go on periodically, at times eemimg eme— go on periodically, at times coming onto the— go on periodically, at times coming onto the show such as wermei— coming onto the show such as i>ermei o-iem— coming onto the show such as dermot o'leary and alison wemmemi— dermot o'leary and alison wemmemi .— dermot o'leary and alison hammond. but- dermot o'leary and alison hammond. but holly dermot o'leary and alison hammond . but holly willoughby hammond. but holly willoughby ewrremiw— hammond. but holly willoughby ewrremiiw ism-i— hammond. but holly willoughby currently isn't on— hammond. but holly willoughby currently isn't on there because of currently isn't on there because ei ire— currently isn't on there because ei me im— currently isn't on there because of the half term— currently isn't on there because of the half term break. but once sire— of the half term break. but once sire rewmsi— of the half term break. but once sire rewmsi .— of the half term break. but once she returns , what's— of the half term break. but once she returns , what's going to she returns, what's going to happen?— she returns, what's going to happen? mem— she returns, what's going to happen? then there are questions mem— happen? then there are questions eiewi wiremer— happen? then there are questions about whether the— happen? then there are questions about whether the show should be rewemeei. — about whether the show should be revamped. others— about whether the show should be revamped. others maybe revamped. others saying maybe a iermm— revamped. others saying maybe a iermm is— revamped. others saying maybe a new format is needed, particularly- new format is needed, particularly as phillip schofield— particularly as phillip schofield was a big part of that sme— schofield was a big part of that zoos.— schofield was a big part of that since 2002. and— schofield was a big part of that since 2002. and it's a show rim-s— since 2002. and it's a show that's watched— since 2002. and it's a show that's watched by hundreds of mewsmis— that's watched by hundreds of thousands of— that's watched by hundreds of thousands of people across the eewmiw— thousands of people across the eewmiw mi— thousands of people across the country and fewer— thousands of people across the

country and fewer by the day. immi— country and fewer by the day. immi wew.— country and fewer by the day. thank you, theo. _ country and fewer by the day. thank you, theo. very- country and fewer by the day. thank you, theo. very good to talk to you. that's chakumba. he's our national gb news reporter. let's move reporter. right. let's move on to , a pioneering to another story, a pioneering ai has enabled ai system has enabled a paralysed man to walk again after being confined to a for wheelchair 12 years following a motorcycle accident . now, 40 motorcycle accident. now, 40 year gert—jan oskam broke year old gert—jan oskam broke his spinal cord in his neck and was told by doctors that he would never walk again. after taking part in a groundbreaking study, oskam was able to walk around for half an hour, around for about half an hour, climb stairs and even stand independently at a bar to drink with his friends. the technology works with decoding his brain activity and then sending a message wirelessly to the nerves that his muscles so that that control his muscles so that he's to walk. wow so i'm he's able to walk. wow so i'm delighted to say consultant, neurosurgeon and complex spine surgeon al marufu. i surgeon dr. rafid al marufu. i don't know to how say that. is it ama mahfouda or have i got it right? it's wrong. that's correct. is it right- gj.7j 3 that's correct. is it right ? igj.7 3 that's correct. is it right ? correct. is it right? wow. criiew— correct. is it right? wow. crikey reim— correct. is it right? wow. crikey joins me now. wow wow. dr. raffi, this sounds is incredible. are you behind this or is this part are you part of

the study group or what's your involvement? are you involved in this in any way? i'm not directly involved in it, no, but as a neurosurgeon and spine surgeon, we come across patients who do present with paralysis following most commonly following most commonly following an injury where as you as you've just mentioned in your story , this gentleman was story, this gentleman was unfortunate enough to sustain a fracture in his neck. i think following fracture in his neck. i think ieiiewimi e— fracture in his neck. i think following a biking- t j: j j t ithink following a biking accident and as following a biking accident and es e reswii— following a biking accident and as a result sustained a cord int-ww— as a result sustained a cord imtww .— as a result sustained a cord injury . se— as a result sustained a cord injury . so these- as a result sustained a cord injury . so these are the kind of injury. so these are the kind of remimis— injury. so these are the kind of patients mm— injury. so these are the kind of patients that we _ injury. so these are the kind of patients that we primarily patients that we see primarily mi— patients that we see primarily mi ie— patients that we see primarily mi re mem— patients that we see primarily and to treat them initially , for and to treat them initially, for exempie— and to treat them initially, for example, stabilising their spine and example, stabilising their spine mi remewimi— example, stabilising their spine and removing compression from the and removing compression from me eeri. — and removing compression from me eeri. rewi— and removing compression from me eeri. mm is— and removing compression from the cord. but as with this gemriemm— the cord. but as with this gentleman, often they left with a gentleman, often they left with e meter— gentleman, often they left with a motor deficit— gentleman, often they left with a motor deficit or— gentleman, often they left with a motor deficit or difficulty iwmeiiemime— a motor deficit or difficulty functioning because of disruption— functioning because of disruption of- functioning because of disruption of the cords . and disruption of the cords. and mes— disruption of the cords. and science has been looking into wews— science has been looking into wews ei— science has been looking into wews er mime— science has been looking into wews er mime re— science has been looking into ways of trying to restore that iwmeiiem — ways of trying to restore that function over— ways of trying to restore that function over the _ ways of trying to restore that function over the years with some limited— function over the years with some limited success. i would sew.— some limited success. i would sew. se— some limited success. i would sew. se me— some limited success. i would say. so the exciting possible

news here is— say. so the exciting possible news here is that there may be a sim— news here is that there may be a sim ei— news here is that there may be a sim ei e— news here is that there may be a start of a process— news here is that there may be a start of a process where these remimis— start of a process where these patients em— start of a process where these patients can be— start of a process where these patients can be helped and rewmiw— patients can be helped and roughly we— patients can be helped and roughly we have around 1000 to 2500— roughly we have around 1000 to zsee remimis— roughly we have around 1000 to 2500 patients a— roughly we have around 1000 to 2500 patients a year presenting in iris— 2500 patients a year presenting in iris wew. — 2500 patients a year presenting in iris wew. se— 2500 patients a year presenting in this way. so obviously it wewii— in this way. so obviously it wewii ie— in this way. so obviously it wewii be e— in this way. so obviously it would be a great help . and the would be a great help. and the iewiee— would be a great help. and the device itself— would be a great help. and the device itself depend on picking up device itself depend on picking we simeis— device itself depend on picking we sigmeis mem— device itself depend on picking up signals from electrical activity— up signals from electrical activity im— up signals from electrical activity in the— up signals from electrical activity in the brain and that's mew— activity in the brain and that's mew meter— activity in the brain and that's how motor function starts, by eieeirieei— how motor function starts, by electrical activity— how motor function starts, by electrical activity from the mem— electrical activity from the brain, which _ electrical activity from the brain, which are then kind imiweiei— brain, which are then kind inducted down— brain, which are then kind inducted down tracks in the semi— inducted down tracks in the seimei eeri— inducted down tracks in the spinal cord and— inducted down tracks in the spinal cord and to the to the reis— spinal cord and to the to the reds ie— spinal cord and to the to the iees re me— spinal cord and to the to the legs to the lower— spinal cord and to the to the legs to the lower limbs. and the aim — legs to the lower limbs. and the aim ei— legs to the lower limbs. and the aim ei ire— legs to the lower limbs. and the aim of the device— legs to the lower limbs. and the aim of the device is to, as wewe— aim of the device is to, as you've mentioned , briefly you've mentioned, briefly ieeeies— you've mentioned, briefly decodes the _ you've mentioned, briefly decodes the signals that they risk— decodes the signals that they risk we— decodes the signals that they pick we irem — decodes the signals that they pick up from the— decodes the signals that they pick up from the brain. so it ieeemis— pick up from the brain. so it ieeemis em— pick up from the brain. so it depends on electrodes in the semi.— depends on electrodes in the skwii. mem— depends on electrodes in the skull, then decoded and then siimwime— skull, then decoded and then stimulate fitted _ skull, then decoded and then stimulate fitted to the cord ieeemis— stimulate fitted to the cord beneath the _ stimulate fitted to the cord beneath the area of injury . beneath the area of injury. how is mis— beneath the area of injury. how is this connected _ beneath the area of injury. how is this connected to— beneath the area of injury. how is this connected to him then ? is this connected to him then? is it because he was wearing something on his head? is it do they have to do some surgery to get it to connect to the

neurones or the neuro fibres or whatever they are in the brain . whatever they are in the brain. so basically there's two electrodes— so basically there's two electrodes which in in the ieserieiiem— electrodes which in in the description of— electrodes which in in the description of the of the case wmm— description of the of the case wirim mere— description of the of the case which have been— description of the of the case which have been implanted in the semi.— which have been implanted in the skwii. wmm— which have been implanted in the skull, which can— which have been implanted in the skull, which can oh,— which have been implanted in the skull, which can oh, we're iesime— skull, which can oh, we're iesime vou— skull, which can oh, we're iesime you . — skull, which can oh, we're losing you . oh- skull, which can oh, we're losing you . cjj j: skull, which can oh, we're- losing you . oh no we're losing losing you. oh no we're losing you, we've lost you . oh i wanted you, we've lost you. oh i wanted to know how that works . i mean, to know how that works. i mean, thatis to know how that works. i mean, that is quite incredible, isn't it? i mean, if this the start it? i mean, if this is the start of. i it? i mean, if this is the start ot iand it? i mean, if this is the start of. i and this is where we are at the beginning, from what we know, could be quite know, then this could be quite incredible. we're going to try and because have incredible. we're going to try and of because have incredible. we're going to try and of questions because have incredible. we're going to try and of questions becauseand ve lots of questions about it. and i'm wondering, you know, who would use this? would would be able to use this? would it anybody paralysed? it be anybody who's paralysed? are kind of are there any kind of limitations how and pretty limitations as to how and pretty much how soon this could be something that that could be we could have in normal life? let's get dr. rashid back in. dr. rashid , so just ask you again . rashid, so just ask you again. so. so it's connected to some sort of electrodes or something. and then you were just saying how it worked, and then we lost you. sorry. so basically,

you. yeah sorry. so basically, ire— you. yeah sorry. so basically, the electrodes— you. yeah sorry. so basically, the electrodes are— / sorry. so basically, the electrodes are implanted wimim— the electrodes are implanted within me— the electrodes are implanted within the skull— the electrodes are implanted within the skull to pick up the eieeirie— within the skull to pick up the electric signal.— within the skull to pick up the electric signal. when we think mem— electric signal. when we think eiewi e— electric signal. when we think about a movement, electric signal. when we think about a movement , the neurones about a movement, the neurones are about a movement, the neurones eeiiwmei— about a movement, the neurones are activated through neurotransmitters, i.e. eiremieeis— neurotransmitters, i.e. chemicals, and then electric siemeis— chemicals, and then electric signals, which— chemicals, and then electric signals, which are action eeremiieis— signals, which are action eeremrieis .— signals, which are action potentials . so- signals, which are action potentials . so we can pick up potentials. so we can pick up these— potentials. so we can pick up those signals— potentials. so we can pick up those signals .— potentials. so we can pick up those signals . and that's those signals. and that's a ieeimeieew— those signals. and that's a technology which has been eresemi— technology which has been eresemr eer— technology which has been present per se— technology which has been present per se .— technology which has been present per se . the difference present per se. the difference mere— present per se. the difference here is— present per se. the difference here is me— present per se. the difference here is the decoding of it and wmiersimi— here is the decoding of it and understand in— here is the decoding of it and understand in the different emeiiiwies— understand in the different amplitudes of— understand in the different amplitudes of these signals and wrist— amplitudes of these signals and which muscles— amplitudes of these signals and which muscles they're aiming to activate— which muscles they're aiming to activate mi— which muscles they're aiming to activate and the— which muscles they're aiming to activate and the ai— which muscles they're aiming to activate and the ai aspect of it is ie— activate and the ai aspect of it is ie is— activate and the ai aspect of it is ie is ie— activate and the ai aspect of it is ie is re mere— activate and the ai aspect of it is to is to help modify and fine eme— is to is to help modify and fine iwme. se— is to is to help modify and fine tune. so that's— is to is to help modify and fine tune. so that's the— is to is to help modify and fine tune. so that's the newer part ieeewse— tune. so that's the newer part because then— tune. so that's the newer part because then the— tune. so that's the newer part because then the other aspect of it because then the other aspect of ii is— because then the other aspect of ii is re — because then the other aspect of ii is re re— because then the other aspect of ii is re re imewi— because then the other aspect of it is to re input that— because then the other aspect of it is to re input that signal as a, as a stimulus— it is to re input that signal as a, as a stimulus along the spine iireweir— a, as a stimulus along the spine through something— a, as a stimulus along the spine through something called a semi— through something called a seimei eeri— through something called a spinal cord stimulator, which mem— spinal cord stimulator, which main is— spinal cord stimulator, which again is iris— spinal cord stimulator, which again is this technology which is eireeiw— again is this technology which is already being— again is this technology which is already being present. and were-rer— is already being present. and we-we-ier e— is already being present. and we've .for a while - is already being present. and we've for a while , i think we've had for a while, i think its— we've had for a while, i think its me— we've had for a while, i think it's the summary— we've had for a while, i think it's the summary from from my eerseeeiiwe— it's the summary from from my eerseeeriwe .— it's the summary from from my perspective , it's— it's the summary from from my perspective , it's exciting news perspective, it's exciting news mi— perspective, it's exciting news mi eiwiewsw— perspective, it's exciting news and obviously some hope. but emiemis—

and obviously some hope. but emiems ewe— and obviously some hope. but patients out there who have been emeiwsei — patients out there who have been emeiwsei iwe— patients out there who have been paralysed but also— patients out there who have been paralysed but also as often is me— paralysed but also as often is me eme— paralysed but also as often is the case with— paralysed but also as often is the case with the— paralysed but also as often is the case with the situations , a the case with the situations, a mem— the case with the situations, a ieeree ei— the case with the situations, a degree of caution— the case with the situations, a degree of caution and what it ie— degree of caution and what it can be can be— degree of caution and what it can be can be achieved. and it's at me— can be can be achieved. and it's at me sim— can be can be achieved. and it's at the start and— can be can be achieved. and it's at the start and it's— can be can be achieved. and it's at the start and it's one case mw— at the start and it's one case emiw. mere-s— at the start and it's one case emiw. mere-s e— at the start and it's one case only. there's a trial which is going— only. there's a trial which is eeme ie— only. there's a trial which is eeme re ie— only. there's a trial which is going to be conducted with more eeiiemis— going to be conducted with more patients—that's- patients. and i think that's wiser— patients. and i think that's tee-w- patients. and i think that's when _we-relyl patients. and i think that's| when _we-rely a patients. and i think that's. when-we-rely a bit when we can we can rely a bit em-ime— when we can we can rely a bit more on .data and - when we can we can rely a bit more on data and just to more on the data and just to were— more on the data and just to were mis— more on the data and just to note this patient, for example , note this patient, for example, did note this patient, for example, iii rime— note this patient, for example, did have some— note this patient, for example, did have some power in his legs. it did have some power in his legs. ii wise-i— did have some power in his legs. ii wesm-i e— did have some power in his legs. it wasn't a complete paralysis . it wasn't a complete paralysis. if it wasn't a complete paralysis. ii eeeeie— it wasn't a complete paralysis. ii eeeeie were— it wasn't a complete paralysis. if people were listening- it wasn't a complete paralysis. if people were listening and they have somebody who they'd like to put forward for this sort of trial, is that happening like to put forward for this so this trial, is that happening like to put forward for this so this country that happening like to put forward for this so this country orat happening like to put forward for this so this country or is happening like to put forward for this so this country or is itippening in this country or is it somewhere else? and is there anywhere, of that? anywhere, do you know of that? people out more about people can find out more about it. the study group it. i mean, the study group itself the itself is based in the netherlands. and itself is based in the netherlands . and i think this is netherlands. and i think this is at netherlands. and i think this is it me— netherlands. and i think this is it me simi— netherlands. and i think this is at the start. so— netherlands. and i think this is at the start. so i— v: and i think this is at the start. so i wouldn't ereimiw— at the start. so i wouldn't probably advise patients to go eemieeiime— probably advise patients to go contacting directly, but for m— contacting directly, but for sure at some— contacting directly, but for sure at some stage and usually mese— sure at some stage and usually mese irieis— sure at some stage and usually these trials happen in more than siege. — these trials happen in more than siege. imi— these trials happen in more than one stage. and if— these trials happen in more than one stage. and if proved successful— one stage. and if proved successful with good, with good outcomes, then _ successful with good, with good outcomes, then it— successful with good, with good outcomes, then it will be it wiri— outcomes, then it will be it wiii ie— outcomes, then it will be it will be brought— outcomes, then it will be it will be brought to more patients

rhopefully- — will be brought to more patients , hopefully. wow. _ will be brought to more patients , hopefully. j: j: , hopefully. wow. so there are good things with al that could come out of things like this . come out of things like this. dr. rashid al—mufid , thank you dr. rashid al—mufid, thank you very much . thank you so much. very much. thank you so much. i think i got it right. i think i got it right the first time. and then i got it wrong the second time. but never mind. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and radio . it'sjust and on digital radio. it's just coming up to ten minutes to 4:00. it's now time for political spotlight . now, political spotlight. now, remember, jackie, we've and i have no authority , jackie weaver have no authority, jackie weaver and that clip that went viral to show even local council meetings can actually be feisty . jackie can actually be feisty. jackie weaver shot to fame after the jaw dropping meeting went viral where councillors claimed that she had no authority to remove certain individuals from the call. but she did it anyway. after the incident, she said that she wasn't confident as that she wasn't as confident as she during the meeting she looked during the meeting and she's had guest and since then she's had guest appearances awards appearances at the brit awards and has even set to appear on celebrity . and in her celebrity mastermind. and in her day day life, she's a chief day to day life, she's a chief officer cheshire officer at the cheshire association of local councils. officer at the cheshire asshowtion of local councils. officer at the cheshire asshow isn of local councils. officer at the cheshire asshow is the local councils. officer at the cheshire asshow is the fame councils. officer at the cheshire

asshow is the fame affected. officer at the cheshire asshow is the fame affected her so how is the fame affected her career? let's pleased to say that. joining me now is woman with authority is jackie with all the authority is jackie weaver. weaver . oh, weaver. jackie weaver. oh, jackie. jackie it was so funny , jackie. jackie it was so funny, jackie. jackie it was so funny, jackie. i mean, did you when you were doing that, did you not find it funny at the time as well? or you deadly serious well? or were you deadly serious because quite deadpan because you were quite deadpan with that? yeah. i mean , there with that? yeah. i mean, there was we were still— .jev.7 yeah. i mean, there was we were still getting to grips— was we were still getting to eries wim— was we were still getting to grips with zoom _ was we were still getting to grips with zoom and teams and semi. — grips with zoom and teams and semi. ii— grips with zoom and teams and semi. ii ws— grips with zoom and teams and stuff. it was the— grips with zoom and teams and stuff. it was the early days of mm— stuff. it was the early days of mm .— stuff. it was the early days of mm . wew— stuff. it was the early days of that , you know,— stuff. it was the early days of that , you know, so it was really that, you know, so it was really the that, you know, so it was really me remmeieew. — that, you know, so it was really the technology. arnie was scarier than— the technology. arnie was scarier than anything else . scarier than anything else. so i memw— scarier than anything else. so i was mainly worried— scarier than anything else. so i was mainly worried about pressing the wrong buttons. that was what was focussed so was what was focussed on. so kind of no , i didn't really have kind of no, i didn't really have time to kind of sit back and think, what's going on. and then when it sort think, what's going on. and then when i seri ei— think, what's going on. and then when it sort of went— think, what's going on. and then when it sort of went viral- think, what's going on. and then when it sort of went viral ,- gr: jrg and then when it sort of went viral , so when it sort of went viral, so everyone's looking at it and immine— everyone's looking at it and iewemime .— everyone's looking at it and laughing . when you watched it, laughing. when you watched it, did laughing. when you watched it, iii wew— laughing. when you watched it, iii wew imi— laughing. when you watched it, iii you iimi ii— laughing. when you watched it, did you find it amusing as well ? did you find it amusing as well e or.— did you find it amusing as well i om i— did you find it amusing as well i om i mem— did you find it amusing as well ? oh, i mean, there's- did you find it amusing as well ? cj j j j: did you find it amusing as well ? oh, i mean, there's no doubt about it. there are things in it that are , you know, the kind of that are, you know, the kind of things that you expect to see in sitcoms and sketches and things, you like julie's ipad , for

you know, like julie's ipad, for example, way that you example, and the way that you have conversation where you have that conversation where you don't realise that people are listening to you. course, listening to you. and of course, that happened. think that's funny because we know we do it and we happen to other funny because we know we do it and we as happen to other funny because we know we do it and we as welliappen to other funny because we know we do it and we as well . iten to other funny because we know we do it and we as well . it was, other funny because we know we do it and we as well . it was, it her funny because we know we do it and we as well . it was, it was people as well. it was, it was twsi— people as well. it was, it was twsi memesiiw— people as well. it was, it was just honestly, it— people as well. it was, it was just honestly, it was- it was, it was just honestly, it was incredibly iwmw— just honestly, it was incredibly iwmw mi— just honestly, it was incredibly funny mi vou— just honestly, it was incredibly funny and you don't often get to see funny and you don't often get to mm— funny and you don't often get to mm siie— funny and you don't often get to see that side of— funny and you don't often get to see that side of it— funny and you don't often get to see that side of it because every— see that side of it because every rime— see that side of it because every time you— see that side of it because every time you see this stuff, is— every time you see this stuff, is eiwews— every time you see this stuff, is eiwews se— every time you see this stuff, it's always so perfected and so iwe— it's always so perfected and so iwe-sew— it's always so perfected and so iwe-sew eeeeie- it's always so perfected and so but saw people who were but you just saw people who were just but you just saw people who were twsi—twsi— just like you and i just iwmiiime— just like you and i just fumbling through was i fumbling through what was i remember which fumbling through what was i. remember-which was remember lockdown, which was a bit remember lockdown, which was a iii ei— remember lockdown, which was a iii ei e— remember lockdown, which was a bit of a nightmare.— remember lockdown, which was a bit of a nightmare. but that was a bit of a nightmare. but that was e-ei— bit of a nightmare. but that was e-ei imi— bit of a nightmare. but that was e-ei iiem im— bit of a nightmare. but that was a-of light in all- bit of a nightmare. but that was a-of light in all of- a real bit of light in all of mm— a real bit of light in all of rim-ei— a real bit of light in all of that-of gloom - a real bit of light in all of that-of gloom .- a real bit of light in all of that of gloom . and so this that sort of gloom. and so this wmi— that sort of gloom. and so this kimilewi— that sort of gloom. and so this kimilewi-ewi— that sort of gloom. and so this kind-put-out there- that sort of gloom. and so this kind put out there and kind of put you out there and mew— kind of put you out there and mew mes— kind of put you out there and mew mes ii— kind of put you out there and how has it affected your life? wmm— how has it affected your life? wirm ws— how has it affected your life? wirm ii— how has it affected your life? what was it like?— how has it affected your life? what was it like? i mean, after mm.— what was it like? i mean, after mm. wew— what was it like? i mean, after mm. you mwsi— what was it like? i mean, after that, you must have been imwmimei— inundated with people wanting to talk inundated with people wanting to ieik-. — inundated with people wanting to ieik-. i— inundated with people wanting to ieik-. i mem— inundated with people wanting to talk-. i mean, that- inundated with people wanting to talk-. i mean, that for. inundated with people wanting toi talk-. i mean, that for me talk to you. i mean, that for me was thing that just so was the thing that was just so unbelievable . i mean, the actual unbelievable. i mean, the actual meeting itself took place two months before . so, you know, it months before. so, you know, it wasn't kind of the meeting wasn't kind of the meeting wasn't new to me. i mean , it had wasn't new to me. i mean, it had had happened. there was nothing nothing had fallen out of it. and then suddenly only it went viral . i even know what viral

viral. i even know what viral means now . you know, back in means now. you know, back in that february, i had no idea what it means. and i could not understand . and the media understand. and the media interest . so i guess my husband interest. so i guess my husband and i kind of, you know, pragmatic, very laid back. i was thinking , pragmatic, very laid back. i was thinking, you pragmatic, very laid back. i was thinking , you know, when all thinking, you know, when all those reporters and tv and everything were kind of parked outside on the morning long, it'll last a day . then we it'll last a day. then we thought, well, okay, it might last weekend. and it was last the weekend. and it was kind like least a whole kind of like at least a whole year of readjusting that, you know, i mean , tomorrow there know, i mean, tomorrow there won't and the won't be interested and the number of opportunities for, for addressing groups for for, kind of a lot of interesting stuff like tv and stuff like that which is very exciting. but also the opportunity to get into organisations that in my day job i would have loved to have been able to access over the last 20 years. suddenly they were inviting me to things and that for me was really arnie the really positive thing that came out of it, that those doors were

opened just because of the name and what what really surprises me is that, you know, you go to a really serious kind of meeting and you're all kind of anxious about it. you're briefed and everything, and you fear that you're going to be grilled on the technical details . and the technical details. and everybody says things like, and what was it like to be turned on to bec? and that's, you know, and everybody else is , you know, and everybody else is, you know, kind of like you say, they're just like they're ordinary just like us. they're ordinary andifs just like us. they're ordinary and it's the human story they want hear about, rather than want to hear about, rather than your expertise is in your field . well, let's have a look. basically well, let's have a reek— basically well, let's have a ieek m— basically well, let's have a look at that— basically well, let's have a look at that clip— rt.ev.. well, let's have a look at that clip again, because i look at that clip again, because i rere— look at that clip again, because i iewe ii.— look at that clip again, because i love it. jackie,— look at that clip again, because i love it. jackie, we— look at that clip again, because i love it. jackie, we watch this eiie. — i love it. jackie, we watch this eiie. iris— i love it. jackie, we watch this eiie. its is— i love it. jackie, we watch this clip. this is you— i love it. jackie, we watch this clip. this is you and authority or clip. this is you and authority er me— clip. this is you and authority or the authority— clip. this is you and authority or the authority that you have . or the authority that you have. it's or the authority that you have. its mw— or the authority that you have. its me me— or the authority that you have. it's only the chairman- or the authority that you have. it's only the chairman who- or the authority that you have. it's only the chairman who can remove people from a meeting . remove people from a meeting. you have no authority here, jackie weaver. no authority at all. she just kicked him out . all. she just kicked him out. no.— all. she just kicked him out. we. swe-s— all. she just kicked him out. no, she's kicked— all. she just kicked him out. no, she's kicked him- all. she just kicked him out. no, she's kicked him out. don't. don't just kicked him out. don't

this is a meeting called by two eewmeiiiers— this is a meeting called by two councillors illegally . they now councillors illegally. they now eieei— councillors illegally. they now eieei e— councillors illegally. they now elect a chairman.— councillors illegally. they now elect a chairman. no, they can't ieeewse— elect a chairman. no, they can't ieeewse me— elect a chairman. no, they can't because the vice— elect a chairman. no, they can't because the vice chair is here. i because the vice chair is here. i eme— because the vice chair is here. i were merge.— because the vice chair is here. i take charge, read— because the vice chair is here. i take charge, read the- because the vice chair is here. i take charge, read the standing orders. read them and understand them . so funny. oh, orders. read them and understand them . so funny . oh, jackie is them. so funny. oh, jackie is funny. mean was shocked. i mean , i'd known. i'd known— jjj .vrir::er j i mean , i'd known. i'd known about item— , i'd known. i'd known about item rer— , i'd known. i'd known about them for some— , i'd known. i'd known about them for some time. and clearly eeeeie— them for some time. and clearly eeeeie iem-i— them for some time. and clearly eeeeie iem-i eer— them for some time. and clearly people don't get that angry in we— people don't get that angry in iwe mimwies— people don't get that angry in two minutes. this is something mm— two minutes. this is something mm iiei— two minutes. this is something that had been— two minutes. this is something that had been brewing for over we— that had been brewing for over iwe wee — that had been brewing for over iwe wees im— that had been brewing for over two years. in fact— that had been brewing for over two years. in fact .— that had been brewing for over two years. in fact . and i guess two years. in fact. and i guess mem— two years. in fact. and i guess mem i— two years. in fact. and i guess even then i was— two years. in fact. and i guess even then i was still shocked by mew— even then i was still shocked by mew mew— even then i was still shocked by mew mew mew— even then i was still shocked by how angry they were . i have how angry they were. i have never since and— how angry they were. i have never since and never before come across anybody that angry as come across anybody that angry es iwmw. — come across anybody that angry es iwmw. ris— come across anybody that angry as funny. it's funny— come across anybody that angry as funny. it's funny .- come across anybody that angry as funny. . jjgr come across anybody that angry as funny. . jjg as funny. it's funny. so now, obviously, this is this is great. you can access lots of different things that you wouldn't have had the access to because recognise because people recognise you. you said that there's been lots of positive but has

of positive things, but has there that was there been anything that was quite it? no, i quite negative about it? no, i mean, that's the thing- r:.. g .7 no, i mean, that's the thing that i reeiiw— mean, that's the thing that i reeiiw i— mean, that's the thing that i really i really— mean, that's the thing that i really i really have found amazing-— really i really have found emezime. i— really i really have found amazing. i mean, i think that, you— amazing. i mean, i think that, wew mew.— amazing. i mean, i think that, you know, when— amazing. i mean, i think that, you know, when we talk about the meme— you know, when we talk about the meiie mi— you know, when we talk about the meiie emi ire— you know, when we talk about the media and the press, you often were— media and the press, you often were reeiiw— media and the press, you often have really bad,— media and the press, you often have really bad, bad cards. you mew.— have really bad, bad cards. you knew we— have really bad, bad cards. you knew we eii— have really bad, bad cards. you know, we all think, you know, wewre— know, we all think, you know, wewre eiwews— know, we all think, you know, you're always looking for the, you— you're always looking for the, wew mew.— you're always looking for the, wew knew me— you're always looking for the, you know, the downside of the stow-— you know, the downside of the stem wewe— you know, the downside of the story. you're always looking to sem— story. you're always looking to seim ii— story. you're always looking to seim ii es— story. you're always looking to spin it as badly— story. you're always looking to spin it as badly as you possibly —mesm-i- spin it as badly as you possibly can. _hasn't been can. my experience hasn't been mei— can. my experience hasn't been iiei ieese— can. my experience hasn't been that because my— can. my experience hasn't been that because my fear was that eeeeie— that because my fear was that eeeeie wewii— that because my fear was that people would look at that video mi— people would look at that video emi save— people would look at that video emi save i— people would look at that video emi sew. i met— people would look at that video and say, i don't want to get imwewei— and say, i don't want to get imwewei im— and say, i don't want to get involved in local- and say, i don't want to get involved in local politics, ieeei— involved in local politics, local democracy, because if it reeks— local democracy, because if it ieews iwe— local democracy, because if it looks like that,— local democracy, because if it looks like that, i— local democracy, because if it looks like that, i don't want to do looks like that, i don't want to ie ii— looks like that, i don't want to ie ii .— looks like that, i don't want to ie ii . ewe— looks like that, i don't want to do it. but when— looks like that, i don't want to do it . but when people have do it. but when people have imiewiewei— do it. but when people have interviewed me,— do it. but when people have interviewed me, although it's acknowledged _ interviewed me, although it's acknowledged that that behaviour meeeemei— acknowledged that that behaviour meeeemei mi— acknowledged that that behaviour happened and that behaviour is eemeieieiw— happened and that behaviour is completely unacceptable , they've completely unacceptable, they've mem— completely unacceptable, they've mem mewei— completely unacceptable, they've then moved quickly on to all iiei.— then moved quickly on to all mei- iie— then moved quickly on to all that. the positive and the fun siwii. — that. the positive and the fun siwii. se— that. the positive and the fun stuff. so what— that. the positive and the fun stuff. so what you're left with is ei— stuff. so what you're left with is ei e— stuff. so what you're left with is more of a positive message mm— is more of a positive message mm e— is more of a positive message mm e meeeiiwe— is more of a positive message than a negative one and it is wwe— than a negative one and it is irwe mei— than a negative one and it is true that kind— than a negative one and it is true that kind of— than a negative one and it is true that kind of behaviour does meeeem— true that kind of behaviour does meeeem .— true that kind of behaviour does meeeem . iwe— true that kind of behaviour does meeeem . me we— true that kind of behaviour does happen , but we work very hard to

happen, but we work very hard to mere— happen, but we work very hard to make sure that— happen, but we work very hard to make sure that it— happen, but we work very hard to make sure that it doesn't and ei— make sure that it doesn't and ei me— make sure that it doesn't and one of the ways— make sure that it doesn't and one of the ways everybody can mere— one of the ways everybody can ireie wim— one of the ways everybody can help with that— one of the ways everybody can help with that is— one of the ways everybody can help with that is by showing an interest— help with that is by showing an imieresi im— help with that is by showing an interest in their— help with that is by showing an interest in their local council , interest in their local council . ieese ii-s— interest in their local council , because it's far— interest in their local council , because it's far less likely to , because it's far less likely re meeeem— , because it's far less likely re meeeem im— , because it's far less likely to happen in when you have wimesses— to happen in when you have wimsses .— to happen in when you have witnesses . but— to happen in when you have witnesses . but often what witnesses. but often what meeeems— witnesses. but often what meeeems is— witnesses. but often what happens is that people have these— happens is that people have these fabulous— happens is that people have these fabulous town and parish eewmeiis— these fabulous town and parish councils that— these fabulous town and parish councils that do— these fabulous town and parish councils that do a— these fabulous town and parish councils that do a lot in their communities— councils that do a lot in their communities and— councils that do a lot in their communities and people just sit ieee— communities and people just sit ieew mi— communities and people just sit ieew emi iee— communities and people just sit back and let them— communities and people just sit back and let them get on with it, back and let them get on with it 90— back and let them get on with it 90 mi— back and let them get on with it 90 emi see— back and let them get on with it, go and see it— back and let them get on with it, go and see it in action. you never know. you— it, go and see it in action. you never know. you might on the never know. you might be on the mere— never know. you might be on the meei wirei— never know. you might be on the next viral video. _ never know. you might be on the next viral video. so— never know. you might be on the next viral video. so now you're a next viral video. so now you're e emer— next viral video. so now you're a chief officer— next viral video. so now you're a chief officer at— next viral video. so now you're a chief officer at the cheshire asseeieiiem— a chief officer at the cheshire association of _ a chief officer at the cheshire association of local councils, mi— association of local councils, emi i— association of local councils, emi i sweeese— association of local councils, and i suppose you get a lot to ie. — and i suppose you get a lot to ie. were— and i suppose you get a lot to do. we're running— and i suppose you get a lot to do. we're running out- and i suppose you get a lot to do. �*invr: j: jj jr: . do. we're running out of time, but just briefly talk to me about you know, just tell us how it's affected you in a positive way. i didn't catch what way. sorry, i didn't catch what you said. oh, we're running out of you said. oh, we're running out ei rime. — you said. oh, we're running out ei rime. se— you said. oh, we're running out ei rime. se i— you said. oh, we're running out of time. so ijust— you said. oh, we're running out of time. so i just wanted- r: oh, we're running out of time. : of time. so i just wanted to find out what your day to day is. but we're running out so much ain't got time much time. i ain't even got time to that, jackie. to ask you that, jackie. but jackie have all the jackie weaver, you have all the authority the world. it's authority in the world. it's such a pleasure talk you. such a pleasure to talk to you. i'm speak to my i'm honoured to speak to you. my pleasure. thank you for providing us with so much entertainment during the

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hello. good afternoon and welcome. this is gb news on tv, onune welcome. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this is all about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course yours . we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at course it's yours. we'll be debatiwe discussing, and at course it's yours. we'll be debatiwe willussing, and at course it's yours. we'll be debatiwe will disagree,id at course it's yours. we'll be debatiwe will disagree, butt course it's yours. we'll be debatiwe will disagree, but no times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . before

commentator nigel nelson. before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . thank you latest news headlines. thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in me— very much, nana. i'm rory smith in me ee— very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom.— rr::j«r ..rt: veje i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. we're rr::j«r ..rt: vevjev i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. we're going to in the gb newsroom. we're going re sierr— in the gb newsroom. we're going re sieri wim— in the gb newsroom. we're going to start with some— in the gb newsroom. we're going to start with some breaking news in me— to start with some breaking news in me resi— to start with some breaking news in the last few— to start with some breaking news in the last few moments. and the ieiw— in the last few moments. and the ieiw-ieemeee— in the last few moments. and the ieiw-ieemeee eew— in the last few moments. and the body teenage boy has been body of a teenage boy has been remi— body of a teenage boy has been iewmi im— body of a teenage boy has been iewmi in me— body of a teenage boy has been found in the river— body of a teenage boy has been found in the river eden in ceriisie— found in the river eden in ceriisie .— found in the river eden in carlisle , cumbria. police were carlisle, cumbria. police were seereirime— carlisle, cumbria. police were seermime rer— carlisle, cumbria. police were searching for the— carlisle, cumbria. police were searching for the 15 year old wire— searching for the 15 year old who disappeared yesterday after a who disappeared yesterday after e erewe— who disappeared yesterday after e erewe eer— who disappeared yesterday after e erewe get me— who disappeared yesterday after a group got into difficulty. merrier— a group got into difficulty. merrier eew— a group got into difficulty. another boy from the group was eiriiiiei — another boy from the group was eiriiiiei ie— another boy from the group was airlifted to hospital and remains in— airlifted to hospital and remains in a— airlifted to hospital and remains in a critical condition. we-ii— remains in a critical condition. we-ii imme— remains in a critical condition. we-ii erme wew— remains in a critical condition. we'll bring you more on this ieweieeime— we'll bring you more on this developing story— we'll bring you more on this developing story as we get it. weir— developing story as we get it. weii im— developing story as we get it. well in other— developing story as we get it. well in other news, itv says it remi— well in other news, itv says it iewmi me— well in other news, itv says it found no evidence— well in other news, itv says it found no evidence of a relationship— found no evidence of a relationship between phillip semeiieii— relationship between phillip schofield and _ relationship between phillip schofield and another employee iwrime— schofield and another employee iwrime m— schofield and another employee during an investigation in 2020. me— during an investigation in 2020. the broadcaster— during an investigation in 2020. the broadcaster says they were iwesiiemei — the broadcaster says they were questioned after— the broadcaster says they were questioned after hearing rumours, but— questioned after hearing rumours, but both men denied mei— rumours, but both men denied iiei mew— rumours, but both men denied mei mew — rumours, but both men denied that they were seeing each emer. — that they were seeing each emer. irre— that they were seeing each other. the tv— that they were seeing each other. the tv presenter resigned wesreriew— other. the tv presenter resigned wesreriew mer— other. the tv presenter resigned yesterday after admitting he had an

yesterday after admitting he had m meii— yesterday after admitting he had an affair with— yesterday after admitting he had an affair with a— yesterday after admitting he had an affair with a young male eeiieeewe— an affair with a young male colleague, which he described as iwe— colleague, which he described as unwise but not— colleague, which he described as unwise but not illegal. he told the unwise but not illegal. he told me weiiw— unwise but not illegal. he told the daily mail— unwise but not illegal. he told the daily mail he— unwise but not illegal. he told the daily mail he lied about the reieiiemsmie— the daily mail he lied about the relationship to— the daily mail he lied about the relationship to his— the daily mail he lied about the relationship to his wife, to his eeiieeewes— relationship to his wife, to his colleagues, to— relationship to his wife, to his colleagues, to his— relationship to his wife, to his colleagues, to his friends and to colleagues, to his friends and re iris— colleagues, to his friends and re iris mems— colleagues, to his friends and re iris eeems .— colleagues, to his friends and to his agents. mail on colleagues, to his friends and to his agents . mail on sunday, to his agents. mail on sunday, tewmeiisi— to his agents. mail on sunday, journalist charlotte griffiths sews— journalist charlotte griffiths sews eeeeie— journalist charlotte griffiths sews eeeeie im— journalist charlotte griffiths says people in the industry must mere— says people in the industry must mere mewm— says people in the industry must have known there— says people in the industry must have known there was a video of mim— have known there was a video of irim terme— have known there was a video of him having lunch— have known there was a video of him having lunch in a cafe with mis— him having lunch in a cafe with its wewme— him having lunch in a cafe with miswewme — him having lunch in a cafe with this young man. 'jr: 3 this young man. and although i think he was 18 at the time, so it was the worst kept secret. you have to take him at his word. you know, holly must have asked him about this. people around must have asked him around him must have asked him about and have about this, and he must have lied. that's said. and lied. that's what he said. and that's right now . that's all we know right now. well, presenter and well, gb news presenter and iermer— well, gb news presenter and iermer mis— well, gb news presenter and former this morning host eamonn weimes— former this morning host eamonn weimes mes— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit out— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit out at his ex eeiieeewe— holmes has hit out at his ex eeiieeewe .— holmes has hit out at his ex colleague , saying he's finally colleague, saying he's finally ieee— colleague, saying he's finally been eewem— colleague, saying he's finally been caught out— colleague, saying he's finally been caught out on social media. he been caught out on social media. we seii— been caught out on social media. we seii rer— been caught out on social media. he said for high— been caught out on social media. he said for high members of itv mmeeime— he said for high members of itv mmeeime reim— he said for high members of itv managing point knew what sort of ire— managing point knew what sort of ire mi— managing point knew what sort of man he was and never once took estim— man he was and never once took eeiiem ie— man he was and never once took action to prevent— man he was and never once took action to prevent him controlling- action to prevent him controlling or taking advantage of controlling or taking advantage ei iris— controlling or taking advantage of his position— controlling or taking advantage of his position over young eeeeie— of his position over young eeeeie. weir.— of his position over young people. well, showbiz reporter iiiie— people. well, showbiz reporter iiiie imiiiies— people. well, showbiz reporter ellie phillips told us that

schofield's_ ellie phillips told us that schofield's actions were more mm— schofield's actions were more than inappropriate. he's saying it's than inappropriate. he's saying its mei— than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal,— than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal, but it's also eiewi— it's not illegal, but it's also eiewi m— it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse— it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse of power because imiiiie— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is the was the ieee — phillip schofield is the was the ieee ei— phillip schofield is the was the ieee ei mis— phillip schofield is the was the face of this morning in a massive position of power. ' jr: massive position of power. and wewwe— massive position of power. and wmwe eer— massive position of power. and wmwe eee e— massive position of power. and you've got a runner— massive position of power. and you've got a runner who , in the you've got a runner who, in the scheme of things within the scene, you know, within how it works behind the scenes is much lower down the rung in terms of power. it's about that power power. so it's about that power imbalance. think . well, imbalance. ithink. well, another news this- t j

ieiiewime— are also experiencing delays ieiiewime m— are also experiencing delays following an earlier it issue at term— following an earlier it issue at border control.— following an earlier it issue at border control. apologised for the disruption.— border control. apologised for the disruption. the port awmeriiw— the disruption. the port authority says the problem has ieee— authority says the problem has now been fixed— authority says the problem has now been fixed but there are siiii— now been fixed but there are sriii iwewes— now been fixed but there are still queues with— now been fixed but there are still queues with cars and eeeeesir— still queues with cars and coaches waiting at the moment for coaches waiting at the moment ier eei— coaches waiting at the moment ier eei es— coaches waiting at the moment for around 45 minutes. as a man wire— for around 45 minutes. as a man wire m— for around 45 minutes. as a man who was arrested— for around 45 minutes. as a man who was arrested after a car eresmei— who was arrested after a car eresmei mie— who was arrested after a car crashed into the— who was arrested after a car crashed into the downing street emes— crashed into the downing street emes mes— crashed into the downing street emes mes ieeem— crashed into the downing street gates has been charged with making— gates has been charged with making indecent images of eiriiirem— making indecent images of children. the— making indecent images of children. the 43 year old was imiiieiiw— children. the 43 year old was initially detained— children. the 43 year old was initially detained on suspicion of initially detained on suspicion er imeerews— initially detained on suspicion of dangerous driving following imwrsiew-s— of dangerous driving following thursday's incident at will. omieers— thursday's incident at will. officers were _ thursday's incident at will. officers were later seen seereirime— officers were later seen searching the - officers were later seen searching the boot of the car ieiere— searching the boot of the car ieiere ii— searching the boot of the car before it was— searching the boot of the car before it was towed away. he's ieee— before it was towed away. he's been remanded— before it was towed away. he's been remanded in— before it was towed away. he's been remanded in custody after eeeeerime— been remanded in custody after eeeeerime im— been remanded in custody after appearing in court— been remanded in custody after appearing in court on the wmeieiei— appearing in court on the unrelated offence and will reeeeeer— unrelated offence and will reappear next— unrelated offence and will reappear next month . former reappear next month. former risi— reappear next month. former first minister— reappear next month. former first minister of— reappear next month. former first minister of northern ireimi— first minister of northern ireland, arlene foster, believes the ireland, arlene foster, believes me our— ireland, arlene foster, believes the dup could— ireland, arlene foster, believes the dup could do— ireland, arlene foster, believes the dup could do a deal with ieiewr— the dup could do a deal with ieiewr es— the dup could do a deal with ieiewr es ii— the dup could do a deal with labour as it works to restore a eewer— labour as it works to restore a eewer simme— labour as it works to restore a power sharing government while seeming— power sharing government while seeewime ie— power sharing government while speaking to gloria— power sharing government while speaking to gloria de piero, the gb speaking to gloria de piero, the ere wews— speaking to gloria de piero, the ere wews wews— speaking to gloria de piero, the gb news news presenter says a

ceeiiiiem— gb news news presenter says a coalition could— gb news news presenter says a coalition could be— gb news news presenter says a coalition could be formed if the mere— coalition could be formed if the meei eemerei— coalition could be formed if the next general election delivers a hung— next general election delivers a hung parliament. : . hung parliament. but would it be fanciful to even think that there could ever be a any sort of agreement with the labour party in the dup? no, i don't think so. i don't think so at .rt.— think so. i don't think so at eii. imi— think so. i don't think so at eii. ami i— think so. i don't think so at all. and i think— i don't think so at all. and i think there is quite eeei— all. and i think there is quite good relationships with the seereierw— good relationships with the seereierw ei— good relationships with the secretary of state for northern ireimi. — secretary of state for northern ireland. _secretary| ireland. the shadow secretary of seme— ireland. the shadow secretary of state _ ireland,- ireland. the shadow secretary of state cahill ireland, ireland. the shadow secretary of state cahill , ireland, ireland. the shadow secretary of state cahill , and ireland, ireland. the shadow secretary of state cahill , and indeedi, ireland. the shadow secretary of state cahill , and indeed with peter cahill, and indeed with sir peter cahill, and indeed with sir-es— peter cahill, and indeed with sir-es weii. — peter cahill, and indeed with sir-as well. so- peter cahill, and indeed with sir as well. so no, not at sir keir as well. so no, not at eii. — sir keir as well. so no, not at eii. ami— sir keir as well. so no, not at eii. ami wew— sir keir as well. so no, not at all. and you can— sir keir as well. so no, not at all. jr: rtevj t sir keir as well. so no, not at all. jr: rte t all. and you can watch the full interview with arlene foster. that's on gloria mates. and you can catch that tomorrow at 6:00 as well . finally, a six year old as well. finally, a six year old boy who's climbing 12 mountains to raise money for charity is preparing for his final hike. oscar barrow from lancaster, who was inspired by sir edmund hillary, said he wanted to be the youngest person to climb everest. well to help him achieve his goal, his dad tallied up the peaks, which includes snowdon and scafell pike, so that there'd be a similar height to everest . he's similar height to everest. he's due to climb ben nevis on monday and has already raised more than

£30,000 for derian house children's hospice in chorley . children's hospice in chorley. good luck to him. this is gb news we'll bring you more as it happens. now though, back to nana. thank you . rory, you're with were.— thank you . rory, you're with me. thank you. rory, you're with me. i'm thank you. rory, you're with me. m were— thank you. rory, you're with me. m were mwe.— thank you. rory, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this— thank you. rory, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is- je

when ire ee— somewhat questionable. remember when he came out— somewhat questionable. remember when he came out as gay, he eeeeerei— when he came out as gay, he eeeeerei ie— when he came out as gay, he appeared to woo— when he came out as gay, he appeared to woo the sympathy of all appeared to woo the sympathy of eii iirese — appeared to woo the sympathy of all those around— appeared to woo the sympathy of all those around who called him irreve— all those around who called him irewe reek— all those around who called him irewe ieew i— all those around who called him brave. look i don't— all those around who called him brave. look i don't care what someone's sexuality is. it's er— someone's sexuality is. it's none of business. but my none of my business. but my swmeemw— none of my business. but my swmeemw es— none of my business. but my sympathy was with his wife, who, if sympathy was with his wife, who, ii-es— sympathy was with his wife, who, ii-es ii— sympathy was with his wife, who, if-as it seems, _ sympathy was with his wife, who, if as it seems, wasn't if she is as it seems, wasn't mmeee-im— if she is as it seems, wasn't aware, been living a lie aware, had been living a lie wim— aware, had been living a lie wiiir mim— aware, had been living a lie with him for— aware, had been living a lie with him for years. poor woman simiime— with him for years. poor woman simiime iw— with him for years. poor woman simiime iw mim— with him for years. poor woman standing by him throughout all iris.— standing by him throughout all its ewi— standing by him throughout all this. but philip— standing by him throughout all this. but philip is good at lying,— this. but philip is good at lyingr wmm— this. but philip is good at lying, which by his own admission,— lying, which by his own admission, been admission, is what he's been ieime— admission, is what he's been ieime .— admission, is what he's been ieime . mem— admission, is what he's been doing . then there was qg8 a when doing. then there was qg8 a when he doing. then there was qg8 a when ire mi— doing. then there was qg8 a when ire emi ee—iresi— doing. then there was qg8 a when he and co—host holly willoughby twmeei— he and co—host holly willoughby twmeei ire— he and co—host holly willoughby twmeei me iwewe— he and co—host holly willoughby jumped the queue to see the semen— jumped the queue to see the eweem im— jumped the queue to see the queen in state— jumped the queue to see the queen in state whilst global sems— queen in state whilst global siers iwe— queen in state whilst global stars like david— queen in state whilst global stars like david beckham queued for stars like david beckham queued ier eieiri— stars like david beckham queued for eight hours— stars like david beckham queued for eight hours or— stars like david beckham queued for eight hours or so. schofe mi— for eight hours or so. schofe emi weiiw— for eight hours or so. schofe and holly breezed by with smug reeks— and holly breezed by with smug ieews em— and holly breezed by with smug looks on their— and holly breezed by with smug looks on their faces. the goal of looks on their faces. the goal ei mem.— looks on their faces. the goal ei mem. mew— looks on their faces. the goal of them. they tried to get out of them. they tried to get out ei ii— of them. they tried to get out ei ii iw— of them. they tried to get out er ii iw sewime— of them. they tried to get out of it by saying they would never jump— of it by saying they would never jump ire— of it by saying they would never jump me iwewe— of it by saying they would never jump me iwewe .— of it by saying they would never jump the queue . holly's voice jump the queue. holly's voice simme— jump the queue. holly's voice over stating like— jump the queue. holly's voice over stating like hundreds of eeereiiiei— over stating like hundreds of accredited broadcasters and tewmeiisis— accredited broadcasters and tewmeiisis .— accredited broadcasters and journalists , we— accredited broadcasters and journalists , we were given journalists, we were given eiiieiei— journalists, we were given official permission to access irre— official permission to access me meii— official permission to access the hall right— official permission to access the hall right 7— official permission to access the hall right? yeah. it was sirieiiw— the hall right? yeah. it was sirieiiw rer— the hall right? yeah. it was strictly for the— the hall right? yeah. it was strictly for the purpose of reeeriime— strictly for the purpose of reeeriime em— strictly for the purpose of reporting on the event for miiiiems— reporting on the event for millions of— reporting on the event for millions of people in the uk who were— millions of people in the uk who irewe mei— millions of people in the uk who irewe mei ieee— millions of people in the uk who have not been able— millions of people in the uk who have not been able to visit westminster— have not been able to visit westminster in— have not been able to visit westminster in person. oh, eieese—

westminster in person. oh, eieese .— westminster in person. oh, eieese . i— westminster in person. oh, eieese . i m— westminster in person. oh, please . i was surprised that please. i was surprised that eem— please. i was surprised that both managed— please. i was surprised that both managed to hang on after iiei.— both managed to hang on after mei- ewi— both managed to hang on after that. but this— both managed to hang on after that. but this latest scandal i— that. but this latest scandal i iem-i— that. but this latest scandal now i don't work— that. but this latest scandal now i don't work at itv and even i now i don't work at itv and even i mew— now i don't work at itv and even i mew mew— now i don't work at itv and even i knew about this— now i don't work at itv and even i knew about this affair itv eeeeremriw— i knew about this affair itv apparently investigated the rumours, but— apparently investigated the rumours, but both involve denied it rumours, but both involve denied ii em— rumours, but both involve denied ii err iwiiier— rumours, but both involve denied ii err iwiiier .— rumours, but both involve denied it on twitter, gb— rumours, but both involve denied it on twitter , gb news presenter it on twitter, gb news presenter imem— it on twitter, gb news presenter eamonn holmes,— it on twitter, gb news presenter eamonn holmes, who used to host rriiews— eamonn holmes, who used to host rriiews em— eamonn holmes, who used to host iriiews err iris— eamonn holmes, who used to host fridays on this morning with his wifer_ fridays on this morning with his wife. rewm— fridays on this morning with his wife, ruth, shared— fridays on this morning with his wife, ruth, shared this tweet. he wife, ruth, shared this tweet. we were— wife, ruth, shared this tweet. he wrote schofield has finally ieee— he wrote schofield has finally been eewmi— he wrote schofield has finally been caught out— he wrote schofield has finally been caught out ,_ he wrote schofield has finally been caught out , but he's not been caught out, but he's not me— been caught out, but he's not me emiw— been caught out, but he's not me emiw ewiirw— been caught out, but he's not the only guilty party for high memeirs— the only guilty party for high memeirs er— the only guilty party for high members of itv. _ the only guilty party for high members of itv. management knew wiret— members of itv. management knew wirei seri— members of itv. management knew wirei seri ei— members of itv. management knew wirei seri ei e— members of itv. management knew what sort of a man— members of itv. management knew what sort of a man he was and never once took— what sort of a man he was and never once took action to erewmi— never once took action to erewemi irim — never once took action to prevent him controlling or rewire— prevent him controlling or taking advantage of his position wewme— taking advantage of his position over young people . i mean , even over young people. i mean, even i over young people. i mean, even i mew— over young people. i mean, even i mew mew— over young people. i mean, even i knew about philip's entitled ieirewiewr— i knew about philip's entitled behaviour to— i knew about philip's entitled behaviour to many members of his simi— behaviour to many members of his semi ieese— behaviour to many members of his staff because people i've worked wim— staff because people i've worked wiiir mere— staff because people i've worked with have complained about him. i with have complained about him. i mem— with have complained about him. i imiiie— with have complained about him. i mean, philip wasn't particularly- i mean, philip wasn't particularly pleasant to gb news reewier— particularly pleasant to gb news regular panellist— particularly pleasant to gb news regular panellist lizzie cundy, particularly pleasant to gb news regleamonnvllist lizzie cundy, particularly pleasant to gb news regleamonn did: lizzie cundy, particularly pleasant to gb news regleamonn did notzie cundy, particularly pleasant to gb news regleamonn did not holdindy, particularly pleasant to gb news regleamonn did not hold back . but eamonn did not hold back. rimimess— but eamonn did not hold back. kindness wasn't— but eamonn did not hold back. kindness wasn't much- but eamonn did not hold back. kindness wasn't much in- but eamonn did not hold back. kindness wasn't much in evidence when he really rudely interrupted ruth when she was trying to do a link to loose women. listen, i could give you.

i could give you a list of the reek— i could give you a list of the ieew ei— i could give you a list of the lack of kindness— i could give you a list of the lack of kindness and the lack of awareness from _ lack of kindness and the lack of awareness from both of them eiewi— awareness from both of them eiewi mew— awareness from both of them about how they— awareness from both of them about how they socialise or know eeeeie— about how they socialise or know eeeeie eei— about how they socialise or know people around them. you just get you people around them. you just get wew twsi— people around them. you just get wew twsi mere— people around them. you just get wew twsi irewe ie— people around them. you just get you just have to look at my eireme— you just have to look at my eireme iwii— you just have to look at my phone full of— you just have to look at my phone full of people who are iiei— phone full of people who are iiei ie— phone full of people who are eiei re see— phone full of people who are glad to see the— phone full of people who are glad to see the back of the two of glad to see the back of the two ei iirem — glad to see the back of the two ei iirem . — glad to see the back of the two ei iirem . m— glad to see the back of the two ei iirem . im e— glad to see the back of the two of them . j . of them. in a statement, philip said, i'm painfully conscious that i've lied to my employers at itv, to my colleagues and friends, to my agents, to the media, and therefore the public. and most importantly of all, to my family. i am so very, very sorry as i am for having been unfaithful to my wife . is there unfaithful to my wife. is there anyone left ? i think it's safe anyone left? i think it's safe to say phillip schofield is a big fat liar . to say phillip schofield is a big fat liar. it's over. philip. you've had a good run, but you cannot beat the laws of karma . cannot beat the laws of karma. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking do you blame rishi sunak for immigration the

for the immigration crisis? the prime is facing a big prime minister is facing a big backlash as the uk's net migration a record migration is at a record calendar high of 606,000. soon, acas vowed to cut dependency on foreign workers, but is he to blame for the crisis in the first place? then stay tuned. at 450, it's royal roundup time. and who better to delve into the lives angela lives of the royals and angela levin. live giving us levin. she'll be live giving us the latest from the palace walls on the menu. william on the menu. prince william has paid tina paid tribute to the late tina turner opening about how turner by opening up about how her back memories her music brings back memories of his mother. we'll bring you all details of that and much all the details of that and much more. then at 5:00, it's this week's difficult conversation. just to get others be in just to get others will be in the studio . now be the studio. lviv. now she can be described as a metamorphosis persona fied. the brazilian tv personality born rodrigo had her first nose job at 19 and spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on plastic surgery. ever since the public have followed her transformation on social media. shall we live in the studio to talk that ? that's talk about all of that? that's on the way in the next hour. as even on the way in the next hour. as ever. think on ever. tell me what you think on everything discussing

everything we're discussing. email gb views gb news. .uk .com. even remember it or tweet me at . gb news. right. let's get me at. gb news. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and ofsted news, senior political ofsted gb news, senior political commentator nelson . right. commentator nigel nelson. right. i'm going to start with you, lizzie because you've i'm going to start with you, lizzieon because you've i'm going to start with you, lizzieon the because you've i'm going to start with you, lizzieon the sofa ause you've i'm going to start with you, lizzieon the sofa this you've i'm going to start with you, lizzieon the sofa this morning. been on the sofa this morning. you've met them both. you've met holly phil and all that. holly and phil and all that. yeah, i've actually worked there. i back, it was 20 there. i look back, it was 20 weers— there. i look back, it was 20 weers mi— there. i look back, it was 20 weers emi i— there. i look back, it was 20 years and i did— there. i look back, it was 20 years and i did a— j: i look back, it was 20 years and i did a great fashion simi— years and i did a great fashion sirmi wim— years and i did a great fashion strand with philip back in two iirewsmi— strand with philip back in two thousand and— strand with philip back in two thousand and seven, and he was the thousand and seven, and he was me eeiiem— thousand and seven, and he was me eeiiem eew— thousand and seven, and he was me eeiiem iew. i— thousand and seven, and he was the golden boy. i mean, he he got— the golden boy. i mean, he he eei mie— the golden boy. i mean, he he eei imie iris— the golden boy. i mean, he he got into this morning because of john— got into this morning because of rem iesiew-s— got into this morning because of john lesley's misfortune, if you rememeri i— john lesley's misfortune, if you remember. j: j john lesley's misfortune, if you remember. v/r:9 remember. i remember that. yes and remember. i remember that. yes ami-mim— remember. i remember that. yes ami-rim wee- remember. i remember that. yes and-him were the- and holly and him were the eeiiem— and holly and him were the eeiiem-iirew- and holly and him were the golden they won the nta golden couple. they won the nta ewmi— golden couple. they won the nta ewmi-remim— golden couple. they won the nta eweri-eirrwrs .- golden couple. they won the nta award _baftas . and - award for best baftas. and eeeeie— award for best baftas. and eeeeie iewei— award for best baftas. and people loved them for their openness, their— people loved them for their openness, their warmth and, you mew— openness, their warmth and, you knew .— openness, their warmth and, you knew . eeme— openness, their warmth and, you know , being doing— openness, their warmth and, you know , being doing truth, being know, being doing truth, being mie— know, being doing truth, being eiie ie— know, being doing truth, being eiie re rew— know, being doing truth, being able to talk to— know, being doing truth, being able to talk to them about their ereiiems— able to talk to them about their own problems. and it's a great meeezime— own problems. and it's a great magazine show. _ own problems. and it's a great magazine show. i've one love

werwime— magazine show. i've one love wewime em— magazine show. i've one love working err ii.— magazine show. i've one love working on it. and loved the teem.— working on it. and loved the ieem. iwe— working on it. and loved the team, but sadly,— working on it. and loved the team, but sadly, what's happened is mew— team, but sadly, what's happened is mei— team, but sadly, what's happened is now that philip's— team, but sadly, what's happened is now that philip's gone from eeiiem— is now that philip's gone from eeiiem eew— is now that philip's gone from eeiiem iew ie— is now that philip's gone from golden boy to like the prince amirew— golden boy to like the prince amirew ei— golden boy to like the prince andrew of the— golden boy to like the prince andrew of the tv— golden boy to like the prince andrew of the tv world, it reeiiw— andrew of the tv world, it reeiiw is— andrew of the tv world, it really is quite— andrew of the tv world, it really is quite shocking . and he really is quite shocking. and he may— really is quite shocking. and he mew ire— really is quite shocking. and he mew ire mew— really is quite shocking. and he mew ire mew sew— really is quite shocking. and he may he may say that it was consensual. he— may he may say that it was consensual. he may say it wasn't iiieeei. — consensual. he may say it wasn't iiieeei. ewi— consensual. he may say it wasn't illegal. but this— consensual. he may say it wasn't illegal. but this is— consensual. he may say it wasn't illegal. but this is about a meter— illegal. but this is about a meiier ei— illegal. but this is about a matter of power. and there are mere— matter of power. and there are iirere ee— matter of power. and there are there are rules— matter of power. and there are there are rules in— matter of power. and there are there are rules in the workplace to there are rules in the workplace re stee— there are rules in the workplace re siee mis— there are rules in the workplace to stop this happening. and i reei— to stop this happening. and i ieei verve— to stop this happening. and i reei werw. werw— to stop this happening. and i feel very, very sorry for his wife— feel very, very sorry for his wife .— feel very, very sorry for his wife . steere— feel very, very sorry for his wife , steph, for- feel very, very sorry for his wife , steph, for his daughters. wife, steph, for his daughters. wes— wife, steph, for his daughters. we-s iiei— wife, steph, for his daughters. we-s iiei ie— wife, steph, for his daughters. he's lied to them. he's lied to ww— he's lied to them. he's lied to iiv. we— he's lied to them. he's lied to iiv. we iiei— he's lied to them. he's lied to itv. he lied to— he's lied to them. he's lied to itv. he lied to his— he's lied to them. he's lied to itv. he lied to his lawyers and he itv. he lied to his lawyers and ire iiei— itv. he lied to his lawyers and ire iiei ie— itv. he lied to his lawyers and he lied to the— itv. he lied to his lawyers and he lied to the viewers. and you mew.— he lied to the viewers. and you knew wire — he lied to the viewers. and you know, who had— he lied to the viewers. and you know, who had trust in him. and it's know, who had trust in him. and is e— know, who had trust in him. and is e verve— know, who had trust in him. and is e werw. wew— know, who had trust in him. and it's a very, very sad— know, who had trust in him. and it's a very, very sad day. and i emiewieriw— it's a very, very sad day. and i particularly feel— it's a very, very sad day. and i particularly feel sad for the wew— particularly feel sad for the wew wewme— particularly feel sad for the work young colleague who's imwewei— work young colleague who's involved with— work young colleague who's involved with this, who's all me — involved with this, who's all over the internet now and whose life over the internet now and whose iire wiri— over the internet now and whose life will probably— over the internet now and whose life will probably never be the . wieei— life will probably never be the same . nigel yeah,- life will probably never be the same . nigel yeah, i- life will probably never be the same . v g: / life will probably never be the same. v g: / same. nigel yeah, i mean, and i think the key words lizzie used there were openness and warmth . there were openness and warmth. this was this was philip schofield's image all the way along the line . and that has

along the line. and that has ieee— along the line. and that has been completely— g . and that has been completely shattered. quite eieeriw— been completely shattered. quite eieeriw .— been completely shattered. quite eieeriw . amie— been completely shattered. quite clearly . arnie so— been completely shattered. quite clearly . arnie so if— been completely shattered. quite clearly . arnie so if you are clearly. arnie so if you are a ewiiie— clearly. arnie so if you are a ewiiie iiewre— clearly. arnie so if you are a public figure, you've chosen a career in the— public figure, you've chosen a career in the public eye. why eme— career in the public eye. why eme ei— career in the public eye. why eme ei ire— career in the public eye. why one of the golden rules is don't lie one of the golden rules is don't iie ie— one of the golden rules is don't iie re ire— one of the golden rules is don't lie to the public— one of the golden rules is don't lie to the public who make you rim— lie to the public who make you rieir ieese— lie to the public who make you rich because they're never going to rich because they're never going re irwsi— rich because they're never going re irwsi wew— rich because they're never going to trust you again— rich because they're never going to trust you again .— rich because they're never going to trust you again . and that's to trust you again. and that's why— to trust you again. and that's wirw iris— to trust you again. and that's wirw iris iv— to trust you again. and that's why his tv career— to trust you again. and that's why his tv career is over. the iwesiiem— why his tv career is over. the iwesiiem .— why his tv career is over. the question , obviously, now is how question, obviously, now is how mmw— question, obviously, now is how memw emer— question, obviously, now is how many other people at this memime— many other people at this morning and— many other people at this morning and at itv could find iiremsewes— morning and at itv could find themselves losing their jobs, iee— themselves losing their jobs, ieee — themselves losing their jobs, iee e ire— themselves losing their jobs, iee e ire wew— themselves losing their jobs, too ? do you think- themselves losing their jobs, too ? jr::j . gr: jrg too? do you think it's going to be a bit of a domino effect then? there'll be others? well, i mean, question then? there'll be others? well, i mean,-question comes. then? there'll be others? well,. i mean,-question comes down i mean, the question comes down to i mean, the question comes down ie-iiris— i mean, the question comes down ie-iiris imwesier— i mean, the question comes down to this investor nation was to what this investor nation was all to what this investor nation wasi eii—ieewei all about, that they they looked irre— all about, that they they looked mee—sewing- all about, that they they looked into—saying today. all about, that they they looked into saying today is all about, that they they looked into they saying today is all about, that they they looked into they mount saying today is all about, that they they looked into they mount an ing today is all about, that they they looked into they mount an investigation that they mount an investigation in 2020,— that they mount an investigation in 2020, both— that they mount an investigation in 2020, both philip and the young— in 2020, both philip and the young mn— in 2020, both philip and the young man involved denied any kind— young man involved denied any kind on— young man involved denied any kind of sexual— young man involved denied any kind of sexual relationship snip.— kind of sexual relationship snip. wen,— kind of sexual relationship ship. well, how far do they go.7 do ship. well, how far do they go? on men— ship. well, how far do they go? no nney just— ship. well, how far do they go? no nney just go— ship. well, how far do they go? no nney just go up— ship. well, how far do they go? do they just go up and ask them? do they just go up and ask them? no nney— do they just go up and ask them? no nney ask— do they just go up and ask them? do they ask other— do they just go up and ask them? do they ask other people? all of us nad— do they ask other people? all of us nan nennd— do they ask other people? all of us had heard the— do they ask other people? all of us had heard the rumours about nnn— us had heard the rumours about nnn tong— us had heard the rumours about this long before— us had heard the rumours about this long before that. so the next— this long before that. so the next question— this long before that. so the next question is,— this long before that. so the next question is, how did the investigation— next question is, how did the investigation go? should they nave— investigation go? should they now have a look— investigation go? should they now have a look at who what now have a look at who knew what and n— now have a look at who knew what and if somebody— now have a look at who knew what and if somebody else was

covering— and if somebody else was covering up— and if somebody else was covering up .— and if somebody else was covering up , they should go to. covering up, they should go to. wen.— covering up, they should go to. wen. nun— covering up, they should go to. well, but lizzie,— covering up, they should go to. well, but lizzie, you've- covering up, they should go to. well, but lizzie, you've worked on with them. what are they like? are they nice ? look, i like? are they nice? look, i have worked with- c , ' ”c; " cc? look, i have worked with them and i know philip— have worked with them and i know philip and— have worked with them and i know philip and i— have worked with them and i know philip and i know— have worked with them and i know philip and i know holly philip. but philip and i know holly philip. nun ne— philip and i know holly philip. nun ne wa— philip and i know holly philip. but he was kind— philip and i know holly philip. but he was kind of temperamental. you never but he was kind of— temperamental. you never knew quite— temperamental. you never knew nnne nnnn— temperamental. you never knew nnne nnnn yon— temperamental. you never knew quite what you were going to gen— quite what you were going to gen. holly— quite what you were going to gen. holly wa— quite what you were going to get. holly was always very, very pleasant— get. holly was always very, very pleasant-me,— get. holly was always very, very pleasantlme, and— get. holly was always very, very pleasant-me, and i- get. holly was always very, very pleasant me, and i have pleasant to me, and i have no premens— pleasant to me, and i have no problemsiand_ pleasant to me, and i have no problems and love pleasant to me, and i have no problemsiandilove on problems. and i love working on the problems. and i love working on tne-nnn— problems. and i love working on the-but there— problems. and i love working on the-but there are - problems. and i love working on the but there are many the show. but there are many nnnn— the show. but there are many man—oun- the show. but there are many man—out and- the show. but there are many that—out and gb. the show. but there are many- that_out and gb news that are coming out and gb news nonn— that are coming out and gb news noon eamonn— that are coming out and gb news host eamonn holmes, who's a dear nnona— host eamonn holmes, who's a dear friend on— host eamonn holmes, who's a dear friend on nine— host eamonn holmes, who's a dear friend on .— host eamonn holmes, who's a dear friend of mine , knows only too friend of mine, knows only too nou— friend of mine, knows only too nou nnaa— friend of mine, knows only too nou nnaa n— friend of mine, knows only too well what it was— friend of mine, knows only too well what it was like and feels anat— well what it was like and feels anaalnao— well what it was like and feels that-was head— well what it was like and feels that was head over when that he was head over when philip—gav- that he was head over when anon—gay anal philip came out as gay and philip— philip came out as gay and philip .— philip came out as gay and nnnn , yon— philip came out as gay and philip , you know, it was there , philip, you know, it was there, you— philip, you know, it was there, you know, — philip, you know, it was there, you know, wanting support from eamonn— you know, wanting support from nanonn ana— you know, wanting support from eamonn and his— you know, wanting support from eamonn and his wife, ruth and, you— eamonn and his wife, ruth and, you know,— eamonn and his wife, ruth and, you know, no— eamonn and his wife, ruth and, you know, no a— eamonn and his wife, ruth and, you know, it's a sorry mess. n-o— you know, it's a sorry mess. no a— you know, it's a sorry mess. no a tona— you know, it's a sorry mess. it's a toxic mess.- you know, it's a sorry mess. it's a toxic mess. i'm you know, ana— it's a toxic mess. i'm you know, and .— it's a toxic mess. i'm you know, and . anno— it's a toxic mess. i'm you know, and . an n— it's a toxic mess. i'm you know, and i think it has— it's a toxic mess. i'm you know, and i think it has to— it's a toxic mess. i'm you know, and i think it has to be looked into— and i think it has to be looked into on— and i think it has to be looked into for sure. _ and i think it has to be looked into for sure. but— and i think it has to be looked into for sure. but look, you know,— into for sure. but look, you know, as— into for sure. but look, you know, as you've— into for sure. but look, you know, as you've said , nigel, know, as you've said, nigel, yon-o— know, as you've said, nigel, yon-o goa— know, as you've said, nigel, yon-o goa ano— know, as you've said, nigel, you've got two people, you know, saying— you've got two people, you know, saying .— you've got two people, you know, saying , yon— you've got two people, you know, saying , you know,— you've got two people, you know, saying , you know, nothing was saying, you know, nothing was going— saying, you know, nothing was going — saying, you know, nothing was going deny,— saying, you know, nothing was going on. deny, deny, deny. but i going on. deny, deny, deny. but iinink— going on. deny, deny, deny. but iinink ino— going on. deny, deny, deny. but | think the truth— going on. deny, deny, deny. but | think the truth is— going on. deny, deny, deny. but i think the truth is going to iso— i think the truth is going to ao— i think the truth is going to to tie— i think the truth is going to rise to the top. - i think the truth is going to rise to the top. will . :

rise to the top. well, it should rise to the top. well, it should rise to the top. well, it should rise to the top. it always does. cream always rises to the top. so we'll find out more about that. but if you are i mean, look, just imagine if you're an agent and looking after somebody like that, i mean, that must be very difficult in terms of an agent. very difficult in terms of an agent . so let's have a chat with agent. so let's have a chat with sky andrew, a talent agent who, you know, looks sky. it's good to talk to you, sky. look, this is like one of those very difficult situations . as an difficult situations. as an agent, how do you what do you do? i mean, his agents have dropped even he's got dropped him even though he's got a the business. it's a share in the business. it's very isn't it? what very difficult, isn't it? what is do you think? there's any future left for phillip schofield in tv? look, one of the schofield in tv? look, one of in most— schofield in tv? look, one of the most important- f iii: " a? look, one of the most important things, f c12 " a? look, one of the most important things, an agent— the most important things, an agent snoaii— the most important things, an agent should do— the most important things, an agent should do is be able to agai— agent should do is be able to ioai witn— agent should do is be able to deal with critical— agent should do is be able to deal with critical management, onioai— deal with critical management, critical management is where gets— critical management is where someone gets in— critical management is where someone gets in trouble and you responsi— someone gets in trouble and you respond very— someone gets in trouble and you respond very quickly protect respond very quickly to protect anoin— respond very quickly to protect tnoin inani— respond very quickly to protect their brand. and— respond very quickly to protect their brand. and in the uk, the most— their brand. and in the uk, the most important— their brand. and in the uk, the most important brand is, is like noiaionsnig— most important brand is, is like relationship or— most important brand is, is like relationship or family. most important brand is, is like relationship or family . and all relationship or family. and all of relationship or family. and all oi g..— relationship or family. and all of the mothers— relationship or family. and all of the mothers sitting at home

naaoning— of the mothers sitting at home natoning tnis— of the mothers sitting at home watching this morning, they're iooking— watching this morning, they're iooking at— watching this morning, they're looking at phillip and holly and saying— looking at phillip and holly and saying .— looking at phillip and holly and saying , on— looking at phillip and holly and saying , on, no— looking at phillip and holly and saying , oh, we trust in you. we saying, oh, we trust in you. we noiiovo— saying, oh, we trust in you. we isiiovo in— saying, oh, we trust in you. we isiiovo in you. — saying, oh, we trust in you. we believe in you. you're you've got— believe in you. you're you've got integrity,— believe in you. you're you've got integrity, sincerity. and anis— got integrity, sincerity. and tnis is— got integrity, sincerity. and tnis is any— got integrity, sincerity. and this is why both of them make niiiions— this is why both of them make millions from _ this is why both of them make millions from endorsing products and being— millions from endorsing products and being ambassadors. but women are and being ambassadors. but women g..— and being ambassadors. but women in power— and being ambassadors. but women are the power brokers in this nona— are the power brokers in this nonia. vou— are the power brokers in this world. you know,— are the power brokers in this world. you know, some men might iisagnoo— world. you know, some men might iisagnoo witn— world. you know, some men might disagree with me,— world. you know, some men might disagree with me, but once a woman decides— disagree with me, but once a woman decides that you have lied or woman decides that you have lied on you— woman decides that you have lied on you nays— woman decides that you have lied or you have treated— woman decides that you have lied or you have treated your woman iaiiy— or you have treated your woman iaiiy .— or you have treated your woman iaiiy , sno— or you have treated your woman badly , she you're— or you have treated your woman badly , she you're on the road to badly, she you're on the road to nnoee— badly, she you're on the road to nowhere . you— badly, she you're on the road to nowhere . you sound- badly, she you're on the road to nowhere . /:::. c badly, she you're on the road to nowhere . v4:::. c nowhere. you sound like you say that with experience . he does . that with experience. he does. i mean, look , 2008, i created i mean, look, 2008, i created ane— i mean, look, 2008, i created the inspirational— i mean, look, 2008, i created the inspirational woman. so i'm i'm the inspirational woman. so i'm in around— the inspirational woman. so i'm i'm around this,— the inspirational woman. so i'm i'm around this, um, with an inspirational— i'm around this, um, with an inspirational women and i speak to a— inspirational women and i speak to a iot— inspirational women and i speak to a iot oi— inspirational women and i speak to a lot of women.— inspirational women and i speak to a lot of women. and the fact is .— to a lot of women. and the fact is , is— to a lot of women. and the fact is , is tnat— to a lot of women. and the fact is , is that the— to a lot of women. and the fact is , is that the people that is, is that the people that nann— is, is that the people that watch daytime _ is, is that the people that watch daytime television speeieieaiiy— watch daytime television specifically are women and if you— specifically are women and if you iie— specifically are women and if you iie to— specifically are women and if you lie to women— specifically are women and if you lie to women or you iisnonoan— you lie to women or you dishonour it— you lie to women or you dishonour it or- you lie to women or you dishonour it or they look at you ani— dishonour it or they look at you and mini— dishonour it or they look at you and tnink .— dishonour it or they look at you and think , hang— dishonour it or they look at you and think , hang on a minute, and think, hang on a minute, yoe— and think, hang on a minute, yoe not— and think, hang on a minute, yoe not nno— and think, hang on a minute, you're not who you say you are,

its— you're not who you say you are, its very— you're not who you say you are, it's very difficult— you're not who you say you are, it's very difficult to _ you're not who you say you are, it's very difficult to come back from— it's very difficult to come back from anaa. — it's very difficult to come back from that. someone like jeremy ciankson— from that. someone like jeremy ciannson .— from that. someone like jeremy ciannson , ne— from that. someone like jeremy clarkson , he got— from that. someone like jeremy clarkson , he got into trouble. clarkson, he got into trouble. he clarkson, he got into trouble. neso-neone .- clarkson, he got into trouble. he someone . and six he punched someone. and six nontns— he punched someone. and six months later,— he punched someone. and six months later, he's— he punched someone. and six months later, he's back on tv . months later, he's back on tv. in months later, he's back on tv. in tnis— months later, he's back on tv. in tnis ase— months later, he's back on tv. in this case, this— months later, he's back on tv. in this case, this is— months later, he's back on tv. in this case, this is the public ieeiing— in this case, this is the public feeiing tnat— in this case, this is the public feeling that they've been fooled for a— feeling that they've been fooled for a iong, — feeling that they've been fooled for a iong, iong— feeling that they've been fooled for a long, long time. people niii— for a long, long time. people niii say— for a long, long time. people niii say .— for a long, long time. people will say , well,— for a long, long time. people will say , well, how comes itv will say, well, how comes itv sign-t— will say, well, how comes itv iiini io— will say, well, how comes itv didn't do something earlier? ioon— didn't do something earlier? iook ane— didn't do something earlier? look the agents, their job is to protest— look the agents, their job is to protest nis— look the agents, their job is to protect his brand— look the agents, their job is to protect his brand and to develop nin— protect his brand and to develop nin ani— protect his brand and to develop nin and you— protect his brand and to develop him and you will— protect his brand and to develop him and you will find over the years— him and you will find over the years tnat— him and you will find over the years that this— him and you will find over the years that this wouldn't be the oniy— years that this wouldn't be the oniy issue— years that this wouldn't be the only issue that's— years that this wouldn't be the only issue that's gone on. inene-s— only issue that's gone on. there's been— only issue that's gone on. there's been other issues know tnene-s— there's been other issues know tnene-s g...— there's been other issues know there's the agents— there's been other issues know there's the agents and the agents— there's the agents and the agents would— there's the agents and the agents would have done something to protest— agents would have done something to protest nin. — agents would have done something to protect him. but— agents would have done something to protect him. but on this occasion , it's— to protect him. but on this occasion , it's very interesting occasion, it's very interesting for occasion, it's very interesting ton tne— occasion, it's very interesting ton tne agent— occasion, it's very interesting for the agent has— occasion, it's very interesting for the agent has dropped him. so for the agent has dropped him. so tney-ne— for the agent has dropped him. so tney-ne saying— for the agent has dropped him. so they're saying we can't protest— so they're saying we can't protest yoa. — so they're saying we can't protect you. and even if we lose the protect you. and even if we lose tne nony— protect you. and even if we lose tne rnony ne— protect you. and even if we lose the money, we can't— protect you. and even if we lose the money, we can't work with you,— the money, we can't work with you, nnisn — the money, we can't work with you, nnisn is— the money, we can't work with you, which is in— the money, we can't work with you, which is in the agent's wont.— you, which is in the agent's noria. tet— you, which is in the agent's world. let me— you, which is in the agent's world. let me tell you, that's very— world. let me tell you, that's very rare. well— world. let me tell you, that's very rare. well apparently he's got sanes— very rare. well apparently he's got sane in— very rare. well apparently he's got shares in the— very rare. well apparently he's got shares in the agency as neit— got shares in the agency as neitlne-s— got shares in the agency as well,.he's got- got shares in the agency as well, he's got interest in it well, so he's got interest in it ninseit.— well, so he's got interest in it ninseit. — well, so he's got interest in it ninseit. so— well, so he's got interest in it himself. so for— well, so he's got interest in it himself. so for that- well, so he's got interest in it himself. so for that to be the case, his brand must be even more than than we already

more toxic than than we already know. i suspect there may well be more revelations coming out. there because i think there must be, because i think the lawyers have dropped him as well, your well, which is big, right? your lawyers work with lawyers don't want to work with you know , you're you either. and you know, you're he's pretty lied to he's pretty much lied to everybody what holly, everybody. what about holly, though? because you said the women power do women are the power brokers. do you in trouble you think that she is in trouble now? have absolutely you think that she is in trouble notknowledge have absolutely you think that she is in trouble notknowledge of ave absolutely you think that she is in trouble notknowledge of any absolutely you think that she is in trouble notknowledge of any this olutely you think that she is in trouble notknowledge of any this .lutely no knowledge of any of this. there's no suggestion that there's no no suggestion that she point is that she does. but the point is that she's she's associated with him . yeah she's she's associated with him .yeah listen, she's she's associated with him . yeah listen, holly is the power— . yeah listen, holly is the power broker— . yeah listen, holly is the power broker in- v425?" listen, holly is the power broker in that relationship. holly holly's the power— relationship. holly holly's the power troter— relationship. holly holly's the power broker of— relationship. holly holly's the power broker of the show . um, power broker of the show. um, sne-s— power broker of the show. um, sne-s a— power broker of the show. um, she's a mother.— power broker of the show. um, she's a mother. she's married. sne-s— she's a mother. she's married. sne-s ioveiy— she's a mother. she's married. sne-s ioveiy .— she's a mother. she's married. she's lovely . everybody likes she's lovely. everybody likes ner. — she's lovely. everybody likes ner. ani— she's lovely. everybody likes ner. and as— she's lovely. everybody likes her. and as long— she's lovely. everybody likes her. and as long as the public teiieve— her. and as long as the public believe that— her. and as long as the public believe that she's— her. and as long as the public believe that she's honest, she witt— believe that she's honest, she will continue _ believe that she's honest, she will continue to— believe that she's honest, she will continue to be an amazing sornrnersiai— will continue to be an amazing commercial brand.— will continue to be an amazing commercial brand. but now she's got tnis— commercial brand. but now she's got this association _ commercial brand. but now she's got this association with schofield _ got this association with schofield where the public are iooting— schofield where the public are iooting at— schofield where the public are looking at her— schofield where the public are looking at her and thinking , did looking at her and thinking, did you know— looking at her and thinking, did you know at— looking at her and thinking, did you know all along what was going— you know all along what was going one— you know all along what was going one nave— you know all along what was going on? have you hoodwinked us? going on? have you hoodwinked ase ani— going on? have you hoodwinked use and put— going on? have you hoodwinked us? and but the _ going on? have you hoodwinked us? and but the debate is out ani— us? and but the debate is out now and some— us? and but the debate is out now and some people will be sitting— now and some people will be sitting on— now and some people will be sitting on the— now and some people will be sitting on the fence because sne-s— sitting on the fence because sne-s got— sitting on the fence because she's got such— sitting on the fence because she's got such a— sitting on the fence because she's got such a huge following,

nage— she's got such a huge following, nnge transis— she's got such a huge following, huge brands have— she's got such a huge following, huge brands have invested niiiions— huge brands have invested millions into— huge brands have invested millions into her. they have antit— millions into her. they have antii qatar— millions into her. they have until qatar rhetorically proves tnat— until qatar rhetorically proves tnat sne— until qatar rhetorically proves that she knew— until qatar rhetorically proves that she knew what was going on and sne— that she knew what was going on and sne was— that she knew what was going on and sne part— that she knew what was going on and she was part of— that she knew what was going on and she was part of the facade tnen— and she was part of the facade tnen sne-s— and she was part of the facade then she's okay. _ and she was part of the facade then she's okay. kittie: then she's okay. well, obviously, there's no suggestion that she knew anything. so, you know , i don't know how i feel know, i don't know how i feel about holly . i mean, you know, about holly. i mean, you know, i don't know. i think they need to scrap this morning. do you think it will go? we're running out of time. you think it will go? we're running out of timethey'll you think it will go? we're running out of timethey'll get you think it will go? we're running out of timethey'll get rid you think it will go? we're running out of timethey'll get rid ythishink that they'll get rid of this morning? thing is, is morning? well, the thing is, is tnat—nwsn- morning? well, the thing is, is that—much about. that kyiv is very much about patiis— that kyiv is very much about public opinion— that kyiv is very much about public opinion and credibility . public opinion and credibility. you saw— public opinion and credibility. vow yon— public opinion and credibility. you saw you saw— public opinion and credibility. you saw you saw with the jeremy tyie— you saw you saw with the jeremy tyie snow— you saw you saw with the jeremy tyie snow as— you saw you saw with the jeremy kyle show as soon— you saw you saw with the jeremy kyle show as soon as it lost sresiitiiity— kyle show as soon as it lost credibility, it— kyle show as soon as it lost credibility, it was- kyle show as soon as it lost credibility, it was gone very gwistiy. — credibility, it was gone very gwistiy. ani— credibility, it was gone very gwistiy. one i— credibility, it was gone very quickly. and i think that this morning— quickly. and i think that this morning are— quickly. and i think that this morning are going to struggle now because because their integrity— now because because their integrity is— now because because their integrity is taking a massive tasning.— integrity is taking a massive tasning. so— integrity is taking a massive bashing. so the— integrity is taking a massive bashing. so the public are going to toot— bashing. so the public are going to toot at— bashing. so the public are going to look at this— bashing. so the public are going to look at this and— bashing. so the public are going to look at this and say , well, to look at this and say, well, astwaiiy— to look at this and say, well, actually, this— to look at this and say, well, actually, this show is incredible. - actually, this show is incredible. we don't believe wnat— incredible. we don't believe wnat yoe— incredible. we don't believe what you're saying . and this is what you're saying. and this is a tasaie. — what you're saying. and this is a facade. we're— what you're saying. and this is a facade. we're going to stop watsning.— a facade. we're going to stop watsning. ani— a facade. we're going to stop watching. and the key going watching. and the key is going to-wiewing— watching. and the key is going to viewing figures to be if the viewing figures trop— to be if the viewing figures imp, tne—

to be if the viewing figures drop, the people can say wnatewer— drop, the people can say whatever they - drop, the people can say whatever they want, but it's a sornrnersiai— whatever they want, but it's a commercial business. and if the viewing— commercial business. and if the viewing tigwres— commercial business. and if the viewing figures stay high, then itv viewing figures stay high, then iiv witt— viewing figures stay high, then itv will find— viewing figures stay high, then itv will find it— viewing figures stay high, then itv will find it difficult to stop— itv will find it difficult to stop-snow. — itv will find it difficult to drop-show. but- itv will find it difficult to drop show. but if the drop the show. but if the tigares— drop the show. but if the figures start— drop the show. but if the figures start dropping and the pains— figures start dropping and the pwtiis start— figures start dropping and the public start questioning the individuals— public start questioning the individuals on— public start questioning the individuals on the show, then tney-re— individuals on the show, then tney-re in— individuals on the show, then tney-re in pig— individuals on the show, then they're in big trouble. sky andrews— they're in big trouble. sky anirews .— they're in big trouble. sky andrews , thank you very much. andrews, thank you very much. sne-s— andrews, thank you very much. shes a— andrews, thank you very much. shes a taisnt— andrews, thank you very much. she's a talent agent.— andrews, thank you very much. she's a talent agent. really good talk to you're with good to talk to you. you're with me. this is a gb me. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. stay tuned at five. in week's five. in this week's conversation, alves will conversation, jessica alves will be live in the studio . she can be live in the studio. she can be live in the studio. she can be described as a metamorphosis personified . and the brazilian personified. and the brazilian personality rodrigo. so she personality born rodrigo. so she was a man, had her first nose job at the age of 19 and has spent hundreds of thousands on plastic surgery ever since . the plastic surgery ever since. the pubuc plastic surgery ever since. the public have followed her transformation on social media. we'll find out more from her later. but first, it's time for the great british debate. i'm asking, do you blame rishi sunak for the immigration crisis? send me thoughts. email gb views me your thoughts. email gb views at news .com. tell me what at gb news .com. tell me what you everything we're you think on everything we're discussing. me at

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schofield saga. let's have a look at what you've been saying. andrew says, please make it stop. i don't care about whatever's schofield did or did not do. i've never liked the smiley fakery on yawn. kenneth says, yeah , but it's good fun, says, yeah, but it's good fun, isn't it? fed up to the back teeth with hearing about in richard says, of course you're not going to like our last hour fake tv presented by to queue jumping fakes. i hope the programme goes down the plughole . we might as well have some fun with it. do you know what i mean? listen, it's time now, though. let's get serious for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. you blame hour. i'm asking do you blame rishi the immigration rishi sunak for the immigration crisis? people seem to think it's fault , but do you? it's all his fault, but do you? the prime minister a the prime minister is facing a big uk's net big backlash as the uk's net migration has hit a record calendar high of 606 000. i don't know why that's written like that. it comes despite a 2019 tory manifesto commitment to bring overall numbers down and more than a decade of conservative led governments promising to reduce net

migration. the figure is the 20 2020 2022 is almost double pre brexit levels and accounts for cross—channel migrants. students nhs workers, the ukrainian refugees . and don't forget as refugees. and don't forget as well, we've had all the thing with hong kong and all the stuff, so we've had a lot going on. net on. sunak says that net migration but as migration is too high, but as the foreign teachers the manager at foreign teachers are offered £10,000 to are being offered £10,000 to work in english schools to fill classroom vacancies, is that the way we want to go? so if the way we want it to go? so if the great british debate this are i'm me? she i'm asking, do you blame me? she sunak immigration sunak for the immigration crisis. joining me now is denis macshane. the former labour macshane. he's the former labour minister europe. got minister for europe. we've got neil hamilton , leader of ukip neil hamilton, leader of ukip and david kirton, leader of the heritage party , and david hague, heritage party, and david hague, international rights human rights lawyer . all right. international rights human rights lawyer. all right. i'm going to start with i'm going to start with denis macshane, former minister for europe. what do you think, denis? do you blame ? i'm rishi's blame him? i'm sorry, rishi's teen— blame him? i'm sorry, rishi's teen itine— blame him? i'm sorry, rishi's been prime minister,- " 7 i'm sorry, rishi's been prime minister, but more inportantiy— been prime minister, but more inportantiy .— been prime minister, but more inportantiy , ne— been prime minister, but more importantly , he was chancellor importantly, he was chancellor of importantly, he was chancellor ot tne — importantly, he was chancellor of the exchequer. that's number two in the government over the

last years, since the 29 last three years, since the 29 2019 it is on his 2019 election, it is on his watch as chancellor. you've got every rignt— watch as chancellor. you've got every rignt to— watch as chancellor. you've got every right to bust— watch as chancellor. you've got every right to bust in- watch as chancellor. you've got every right to bust in to- f" cf you've got every right to bust in to see tne— every right to bust in to see tne itine— every right to bust in to see the prime minister talk to the satinet— the prime minister talk to the satinet ana— the prime minister talk to the cabinet and say— the prime minister talk to the cabinet and say we've got to get on top— cabinet and say we've got to get on top ot— cabinet and say we've got to get on top ot tne.— cabinet and say we've got to get on top of this. he— cabinet and say we've got to get on top of this. he has been asieep— on top of this. he has been asieep at— on top of this. he has been asleep at the— on top of this. he has been asleep at the wheel. he appointee— asleep at the wheel. he appointed suella braverman, wnose— appointed suella braverman, wnose oniy— appointed suella braverman, whose only obsession is promoting— whose only obsession is promoting herself as the next ieaaer— promoting herself as the next ieaier .— promoting herself as the next leader , which _ promoting herself as the next leader , which she's literally leader, which she's literally ot— leader, which she's literally ot tne— leader, which she's literally one of the worst— leader, which she's literally one of the worst home secretaries _ one of the worst home secretaries we've got. just look at tnis— secretaries we've got. just look at this disaster— secretaries we've got. just look at this disaster over the past roar— at this disaster over the past toarlt—gates— at this disaster over the past four e—gates well, could that four fs e—gates well, could that not te— four fs e—gates well, could that not be accredited— four fs e—gates well, could that not be accredited to the civil serwantse — not be accredited to the civil serwantse i— not be accredited to the civil servants? i mean,- not be accredited to the civil servants? " g servants? i mean, what's taking them is it taking them so long? why is it taking them so long? why is it taking them long process them so long to process it? these guys been these these guys have been against the government from the start. is . i was start. i'm sorry. it is. iwas tnere— start. i'm sorry. it is. iwas tnere nyseit— start. i'm sorry. it is. iwas there myself as— start. i'm sorry. it is. iwas there myself as an- i'm sorry. it is. iwas there myself as an mp. i faced tnose— there myself as an mp. i faced tnose-i— there myself as an mp. i faced those-i attack- those problems. i attack ministers.— those problems. i attack ministers. ministers are responsitie— ministers. ministers are responsible. stop lifting responsible— responsible. stop lifting responsible .— responsible. stop lifting responsible . i'm not shifting responsible. i'm not shifting responsibility. _ responsible. i'm not shifting responsibility. g responsibility. but i'm thinking that the civil servants, they're the ones doing actual the ones doing the actual lifting . why is it taking them lifting. why is it taking them so ionge — lifting. why is it taking them so ionge insy— lifting. why is it taking them so long? they will- e q why is it taking them so long? "can a i?” so long? they will work 24 over seven if the prime minister or the chancellor . no, they the chancellor. no, they won't even _won't even i the chancellor. no, they won't. even _won't even work the chancellor. no, they won't. even from. _won't even work f no, they won't even from. they're'on't even work f no, they won't even from. they're'on't workingrk from from. they're still working tron— from from. they're still working tron none.— from from. they're still working from home. david— from from. they're still working from home. david cotton they won-t— from home. david cotton they won't even come— from home. david cotton they won't even come to the office.

it won't even come to the office. itlgoot— won't even come to the office. itlgood . hello. _ won't even come to the office. itlgood . hello. good- won't even come to the office. e 3: hello. e: " g it is good. hello. good evening. it is good. hello. good evening. it is good. hello. good evening. it is rishi sunak sport an it is rishi sunak sport to an extent , but it's also the fault extent, but it's also the fault of every single prime minister since blair through brown. cameron may johnson truss and now sunak, who have blair started rapid mass immigration andifs started rapid mass immigration and it's just got worse and worse and worse until now. we've got net immigration of 600,000 and gross immigration an of 1.2 million coming into the country . arnie it could be stopped very , very quickly by getting a control of the boats that are coming across illegally. but that's only a very iii?” g f 3 but that's only a very small part of the that's only a very small part of tne protien— that's only a very small part of the problem. the— that's only a very small part of the problem. the biggest problem are the problem. the biggest problem student— the problem. the biggest problem are student visas— the problem. the biggest problem are student visas and work visas ana— are student visas and work visas and tne— are student visas and work visas and the ukraine— are student visas and work visas and the ukraine settlement ssnee— and the ukraine settlement scheme, which— and the ukraine settlement scheme, which together account . scheme, which together account. for scheme, which together account. tor i— scheme, which together account. tori niiiion— scheme, which together account. for1 million of— scheme, which together account. for 1 million of those 1.2 for1 million of those 1.2 niiiion— for1 million of those 1.2 million coming in. i've said tron— million coming in. i've said tron tne— million coming in. i've said from the beginning of the ukraine— from the beginning of the ukraine conflict we shouldn't get inwoiwea. — ukraine conflict we shouldn't get involved. we're giving out 200.000— get involved. we're giving out 200,000 visas— get involved. we're giving out 200,000 visas a— get involved. we're giving out 200,000 visas a year to people to resettie— 200,000 visas a year to people to resettle from _ 200,000 visas a year to people to resettle from ukraine. tnere-s—

to resettle from ukraine. tnere-s a— to resettle from ukraine. there's a 600,000 a year we're giving— there's a 600,000 a year we're giving out— there's a 600,000 a year we're giving out to— there's a 600,000 a year we're giving out to students and their aepenients. — giving out to students and their dependents. there should be a strist— dependents. there should be a strist sap— dependents. there should be a strist sap on— dependents. there should be a strict cap on that— dependents. there should be a strict cap on that of 100,000, ana— strict cap on that of 100,000, and tnat— strict cap on that of 100,000, and that would— strict cap on that of 100,000, and that would get down to net zero immigration— and that would get down to net zero immigration immediately at a stroke.— zero immigration immediately at a store. i— zero immigration immediately at a stroke. i would— zero immigration immediately at a stroke. i would do that if . a stroke. i would do that if. out.— a stroke. i would do that if. out. davie— a stroke. i would do that if. but. david motty rishi sunak sowi— but. david motty rishi sunak sowii io— but. david motty rishi sunak could do that— but. david motty rishi sunak could do that as— but. david motty rishi sunak could do that as well. kittie: could do that as well. well, daria.— could do that as well. well, david, though, yeah, it's easy to say that talk is cheap though, because you're not in the at time. i mean, the role at the time. i mean, what do? mean, what would we do? i mean, i'm going bring david going to bring it to david hague, international hague, who's an international human lawyer. surely we human rights lawyer. surely we have people from war have to take in people from war torn countries. this can't purely be really brought to purely be really brought down to rishi sunak i take your point, david that it could david kirton, that it could potentially not just his potentially it's not just his fault and it's a succession of leaders, hague we had leaders, but. david hague we had to take these people, we, to take these people, didn't we, from places surely? from war torn places surely? well, . ithink from war torn places surely? well, . i think a good well, absolutely. i think a good atternoon— well, absolutely. i think a good afternoon, nana.— well, absolutely. i think a good afternoon, nana. i— kittie: gigs i think a good afternoon, nana. i mean, atsoiateiy— afternoon, nana. i mean, absolutely. we- afternoon, nana. i mean, absolutely. we do need to take we to— absolutely. we do need to take we to need— absolutely. we do need to take we do need to— absolutely. we do need to take we do need to genuine we do need to take genuine migrants.— we do need to take genuine nigrants. we— we do need to take genuine migrants. we always need to genuine— migrants. we always need to genuine asylum _ migrants. we always need to genuine asylum seekers. there needs— genuine asylum seekers. there needs to— genuine asylum seekers. there neeis to te— genuine asylum seekers. there neeis to be a— genuine asylum seekers. there needs to be a fair— genuine asylum seekers. there needs to be a fair and effective asyian— needs to be a fair and effective asyiwn poes— needs to be a fair and effective asylum process. and i mean fair ani— asylum process. and i mean fair and effective. _ asylum process. and i mean fair and effective. we— asylum process. and i mean fair and effective. we don't have tnat— and effective. we don't have tnatltne— and effective. we don't have that the moment. and you that at the moment. and you know,— that at the moment. and you tnowlit— that at the moment. and you know,.it rishi _ that at the moment. and you know, it rishi sunak's fault

know, is it rishi sunak's fault not inst— know, is it rishi sunak's fault not inst nis— know, is it rishi sunak's fault not just his fault, it's successive - not just his fault, it's successive governments . it's successive governments. it's not inst—it— successive governments. it's not inst—it-go- successive governments. it's not inst—it-go tastl just the tories. if you go back to zeio— just the tories. if you go back to zeio ani— just the tories. if you go back to 2010 and you— just the tories. if you go back to 2010 and you look at the tignres— to 2010 and you look at the tignres, tnen— to 2010 and you look at the figures, then it— to 2010 and you look at the figures, then it was highest migration— figures, then it was highest migration figures, migration tignres— migration figures, migration tignres in— migration figures, migration figures in 2010— migration figures, migration figures in 2010 when, when, wnen— figures in 2010 when, when, when,-cameron- figures in 2010 when, when, when, cameron took over, figures in 2010 when, when, whegoing cameron took over, figures in 2010 when, when, whegoing upzameron took over, figures in 2010 when, when, whegoing up andzron took over, figures in 2010 when, when, whegoing up and upi took over, figures in 2010 when, when, whegoing up and up andk over, figures in 2010 when, when, whegoing up and up and up. er, figures in 2010 when, when, whegoing up and up and up. ir, it's going up and up and up. i wnat— it's going up and up and up. i mean, what you— it's going up and up and up. i mean, what you can blame i think itisni— mean, what you can blame i think itisni snnat— mean, what you can blame i think rishi sunak fairly— mean, what you can blame i think rishi sunak fairly is— mean, what you can blame i think rishi sunak fairly is in in snort— rishi sunak fairly is in in snort-as— rishi sunak fairly is in in snort-as as- rishi sunak fairly is in in short-as as pm- rishi sunak fairly is in in short as as pm is presiding short term as as pm is presiding i— short term as as pm is presiding i wont— short term as as pm is presiding over. i would say— short term as as pm is presiding over. i would say a— short term as as pm is presiding over. i would say a never seen tetore— over. i would say a never seen tetore iewei— over. i would say a never seen before level of— over. i would say a never seen before level of complete incompetence - before level of complete incompetence in immigration poiisies— incompetence in immigration policies, putting— incompetence in immigration policies, putting through poiisies— policies, putting through policies that— policies, putting through policies that are effectively going— policies that are effectively never going to— policies that are effectively never going to get anywhere , never going to get anywhere, partisniariy— never going to get anywhere, particularly with _ never going to get anywhere, particularly with the amount of time— particularly with the amount of time .— particularly with the amount of time , aonnt— particularly with the amount of time , amount of— particularly with the amount of time , amount of left and time, amount of time left and i wont— time, amount of time left and i wont say— time, amount of time left and i wont say as— time, amount of time left and i wont say as a— time, amount of time left and i would say as a human rights iawyer— would say as a human rights lawyer designed— would say as a human rights lawyer designed to weaponize xenopnotia— lawyer designed to weaponize xenophobia and— lawyer designed to weaponize xenophobia and immigration, to win votes— xenophobia and immigration, to win wotes .— xenophobia and immigration, to win wotes , i— xenophobia and immigration, to win votes , i mean, that's the win votes, i mean, that's the way— win votes, i mean, that's the way tnat— win votes, i mean, that's the way tnat i— win votes, i mean, that's the way that i would— win votes, i mean, that's the way that i would look at it, soieiy— way that i would look at it, solely responsible. no solely solely responsible. no int— solely solely responsible. no but definitely,— solely solely responsible. no but definitely, definitely part of but definitely, definitely part ot tne— but definitely, definitely part of the problem.— but definitely, definitely part of the problem. do you think ne-s— of the problem. do you think he's weaponized_ of the problem. do you think he's weaponized that then to win wotese— he's weaponized that then to win woteselwnat— he's weaponized that then to win votes?iwhat do— he's weaponized that then to win votes?iwhat do you— he's weaponized that then to win votes? :i:::i he's weaponized that then to win votes? vii“? :i:::i or: c7 votes? what do you think, neil? neil hamilton well, that's exactly labour did, of exactly what labour did, of course. that's why blair opened the floodgates— course. that's why blair opened the floodgates to— r:r:zi. that's why blair opened the floodgates to immigration atter— the floodgates to immigration atter i997,— the floodgates to immigration after 1997, because as we know after1997, because as we know tron— after1997, because as we know tron potting— after1997, because as we know from polling data— after 1997, because as we know from polling data ,_ after 1997, because as we know from polling data , first

from polling data, first generation— from polling data, first generation migrants overwhelmingly have supported the overwhelmingly have supported tne iatonr— overwhelmingly have supported the labour party— overwhelmingly have supported the labour party and it was a ieiiterate— the labour party and it was a deliberate policy— the labour party and it was a deliberate policy of the labour government— deliberate policy of the labour government of— deliberate policy of the labour government of blair and brown to rnairnise— government of blair and brown to tne— government of blair and brown to maximise the number of people soning— maximise the number of people soning nee.— maximise the number of people coming here. and— maximise the number of people coming here. and things have got worse and worse— coming here. and things have got worse and worse since all the goernrnenst— worse and worse since all the governments, as— worse and worse since all the governments, as david kirton sait— governments, as david kirton saia .— governments, as david kirton saia , inse— governments, as david kirton said , since 1997,— governments, as david kirton said , since 1997, are said, since 1997, are collectively- said, since 1997, are collectively responsible for the protiens— collectively responsible for the problems that— collectively responsible for the problems that we _ collectively responsible for the problems that we now have. but you problems that we now have. but yon know,— problems that we now have. but yon tnow tnis— problems that we now have. but you know, this conservative government— you know, this conservative government is— you know, this conservative government is worse than the iatonr— government is worse than the labour government because at ieast— labour government because at ieast iatonr— labour government because at least labour were _ labour government because at least labour were pretty expiisit— least labour were pretty expiisit in— least labour were pretty explicit in their intentions . explicit in their intentions. inis— explicit in their intentions. this government has lied about it . this government has lied about it -tney— this government has lied about it -tney-tney- this government has lied about it .-they-they want- this government has lied about it . they they want to it. now they say they want to sontroi— it. now they say they want to control migration— it. now they say they want to control migration it down control migration, bring it down to-tnonsanis— control migration, bring it down to _thousands ,- control migration, bring it down to-thousands , as- control migration, bring it down to thousands , as cameron control migration, bring it down to and thousands , as cameron control migration, bring it down to and yet usands , as cameron control migration, bring it down to and yet thisids , as cameron control migration, bring it down to and yet this year,is cameron control migration, bring it down to and yet this year, aszameron said, and yet this year, as inst— said, and yet this year, as we've just seen- said, and yet this year, as we've just seen 606,000 people attest— we've just seen 606,000 people attest to— we've just seen 606,000 people attest to or— we've just seen 606,000 people added to our population through innigration— added to our population through innigration 7— added to our population through immigration, 7 million in the tast— immigration, 7 million in the iast zo— immigration, 7 million in the iast zo yeas — immigration, 7 million in the last 20 years. but the current rate— last 20 years. but the current rate .— last 20 years. but the current rate , wett— last 20 years. but the current rate , we'll add— last 20 years. but the current rate , we'll add another rate, we'll add another 7 niiiion— rate, we'll add another 7 million in— rate, we'll add another 7 million in the- rate, we'll add another 7 million in the next 12 years. nat— million in the next 12 years. nnt we— million in the next 12 years. nnt we nest— million in the next 12 years. but we need but— million in the next 12 years. but we need but we- million in the next 12 years. but we need but we apparently but then a lot of people came from war torn . so as you you from war torn. so as you you know, as you alluded to, the large number, that's not true. that isn't true. the overwhelming bulk of the migration— overwhelming bulk of the migration from ukraine. i

migration is not from ukraine. i nave— migration is not from ukraine. i nave no— migration is not from ukraine. i have no problem— migration is not from ukraine. i have no problem with the migration— have no problem with the migration from ukraine. of course, we have- migration from ukraine. of course, we have an obligation to tate— course, we have an obligation to take in— course, we have an obligation to take in peopie— course, we have an obligation to take in people from ukraine, war torn— take in people from ukraine, war torn sonntry— take in people from ukraine, war torn sonntry on— take in people from ukraine, war torn country on the— take in people from ukraine, war torn country on the edge of tnrope— torn country on the edge of inrope ani— torn country on the edge of europe and because the men folk are europe and because the men folk stit— europe and because the men folk stiii iett— europe and because the men folk are still left in— europe and because the men folk are still left in ukraine and tney— are still left in ukraine and tney are— are still left in ukraine and they are fighting the expectation is that most of tnese— expectation is that most of these families— expectation is that most of these families will when peace is restored,— these families will when peace is restored, if— these families will when peace is restored, if ever,— these families will when peace is restored, if ever, if it ever is restored, if ever, if it ever is retnrnei— is restored, if ever, if it ever is returned to— is restored, if ever, if it ever is returned to ukraine, as we've witn— is returned to ukraine, as we've witn tne — is returned to ukraine, as we've seen with the eu— is returned to ukraine, as we've seen with the eu migration since brexit— seen with the eu migration since erexit tnat— seen with the eu migration since erexit tnat is— seen with the eu migration since brexit that is collapsed and most— brexit that is collapsed and most ot— brexit that is collapsed and most of those— brexit that is collapsed and most of those who came here tetore— most of those who came here tetore nave— most of those who came here before have gone— most of those who came here before have gone back to the eu. ine— before have gone back to the eu. tne protien— before have gone back to the eu. ine protien is— before have gone back to the eu. the problem is not— before have gone back to the eu. the problem is not david. david migration— the problem is not david. david migration within— the problem is not david. david migration within europe? well davie— migration within europe? well davie tnrten— migration within europe? well david kurten, you came up with tnose— david kurten, you came up with those statistics. _ david kurten, you came up with those statistics. 4:3. : david kurten, you came up with those statistics. 45. : ” those statistics. you said your party wipe out you party could wipe it out if you just stopped a load of stuff. didn't up with the didn't you come up with the figures? where get those figures? where did you get those numbers from? from the gonents— numbers from? from the governm because - 7 from the governm because i've just looked gov.uk, because i've just looked at tnen— gov.uk, because i've just looked at them before _ gov.uk, because i've just looked at them before the _ gov.uk, because i've just looked at them before the program. iwerytoay— at them before the program. - twerytoay—iney-re at them before the program. - everytthey_they're at them before the program. everytthey break they're at them before the program. everytthey break down they're there. they break down immigration— there. they break down immigration into different sategories— immigration into different sategories .— immigration into different categories . there's the ukraine categories. there's the ukraine visa— categories. there's the ukraine ssnee— categories. there's the ukraine visa scheme, there is the stnient— visa scheme, there is the student scheme , there's the student scheme, there's the stnient— student scheme, there's the student dependent scheme. there are student dependent scheme. there wort—

student dependent scheme. there ort isas— student dependent scheme. there are work visas .— student dependent scheme. there are work visas . and— student dependent scheme. there are work visas . and within that are work visas. and within that tnere-s— are work visas. and within that there's temporary— are work visas. and within that there's temporary work visas as wet.— there's temporary work visas as weii. so— there's temporary work visas as weii. so it— there's temporary work visas as well. so it basically breaks town— well. so it basically breaks town it— well. so it basically breaks town it yon— well. so it basically breaks down if you look at it, six to 2 to 600.000— down if you look at it, six to 2 to 600,000 students and student dependents— to 600,000 students and student aepenients to— to 600,000 students and student dependents to hundred thousand wort— dependents to hundred thousand wort isas— dependents to hundred thousand wort on— dependents to hundred thousand work visas on the— dependents to hundred thousand work visas on the points based system. — work visas on the points based system. 200,000 _ work visas on the points based system. 200,000 resettlement tron— system. 200,000 resettlement tron iitraine— system. 200,000 resettlement from ukraine and— system. 200,000 resettlement from ukraine and 200,000 for otner— from ukraine and 200,000 for other reasons.— from ukraine and 200,000 for other reasons. so— from ukraine and 200,000 for other reasons. so temporary workers, asylum _ other reasons. so temporary workers, asylum seekers, etsetera— workers, asylum seekers, etsetera .— workers, asylum seekers, etcetera . so— workers, asylum seekers, etcetera . so down. okay, so etcetera. so down. okay, so tnose— etcetera. so down. okay, so those figures— etcetera. so down. okay, so those figures very, very so tnose— those figures very, very so those figures— those figures very, very so those figures exist. 35” those figures exist. dennis mark steyn, you've got 10s. what are you going to say? 10s so dennis, i'm simply, got i'm saying very simply, we got rid of half a million european workers and now we're recruiting in and nigeria in pakistan, india and nigeria to replace them . david cairns to replace them. david cairns onite— to replace them. david cairns onite rignt.— to replace them. david cairns quite right. we— to replace them. david cairns quite right. we could- f david cairns quite right. we could stop every stnient— quite right. we could stop every stnient. oe— quite right. we could stop every student, come in— quite right. we could stop every student, come in and close down atont— student, come in and close down atont natt— student, come in and close down about half-all— student, come in and close down about half-all our— student, come in and close down about half all our universe about half of all our universe sities— about half of all our universe sities ana— about half of all our universe cities and put— about half of all our universe cities and put all— about half of all our universe cities and put all those nniwersity— cities and put all those university professors out of wort— university professors out of wort-nignt- university professors out of work might quite university professors out of- work-might.quite popular work that might be quite popular in—wo.— work that might be quite popular iii—nor nor- work that might be quite popular in—wo. no- work that might be quite popular in—wo. no .- in some circles. no, no, no, tnat-s— in some circles. no, no, no, was not— in some circles. no, no, no, was not going— in some circles. no, no, no, that's not going to happen. wetn— that's not going to happen. well, listen,— that's not going to happen. well, listen,-y0u- that's not going to happen. well, listen,-y0u veryl that's not going to happen. well, to ten,-y0u veryl that's not going to happen. - well, to ten,.mcshane, former much to dennis mcshane, former labour europe neil labour minister for europe, neil hamilton, ukip , david hamilton, leader for ukip, david kirton, leader for the heritage party, david hague. party, and also david hague. he's international human he's an international human rights thank for rights lawyer. thank you for

your thoughts. well, what rights lawyer. thank you for yotyou oughts. well, what rights lawyer. thank you for yotyou think? well, what rights lawyer. thank you for yotyou think? i well, what rights lawyer. thank you for yotyou think? i don't well, what rights lawyer. thank you for yotyou think? i don't know what rights lawyer. thank you for yotyou think? i don't know .ihat rights lawyer. thank you for yotyou think? i don't know. do do you think? i don't know. do you blame me you think would you blame me for all it's not entirely all of this? it's not entirely his fault, but got to his fault, but you've got to blame akua. blame someone. i'm nana akua. this is gb we the this is gb news. we are the people's channel. live on people's channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio . the we will . now, after the break, we will continue with the great british debate i'm asking debate this hour. and i'm asking , do you blame rishi sunak for the the the immigration crisis? ulez the thoughts my panel broadcast thoughts of my panel broadcast from cundy , from columnist lizzie cundy, also senior political also gb news senior political commentator nigel but commentator nigel nelson. but first, get your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines . thank you first, let's get your latest news headlines. thank you very nnsn. — news headlines. thank you very nnsn. wow— news headlines. thank you very nnsn. wow im— news headlines. thank you very much. now i'm rory— : thank you very much. now i'm rory smith and the gb much. now i'm rory smith and the on newsroorn— much. now i'm rory smith and the gb newsroom. we're— much. now i'm rory smith and the gb newsroom. we're going to start— gb newsroom. we're going to start witn— gb newsroom. we're going to start with some— gb newsroom. we're going to start with some breaking news tesase— start with some breaking news tease two— start with some breaking news because two just— start with some breaking news because two just stop oil protesters— because two just stop oil protesters have been arrested for protesters have been arrested tor aisrnpting— protesters have been arrested for disrupting the gallagher preniersnip— for disrupting the gallagher premiership rugby final at twickenham_ premiership rugby final at twickenham .— premiership rugby final at twickenham . 37 year old doctor twickenham. 37 year old doctor iatrist— twickenham. 37 year old doctor iatrist wart— twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick hart from _ twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick hart from bristol and 40 year— patrick hart from bristol and 40 year ott— patrick hart from bristol and 40 year oii san— patrick hart from bristol and 40 year old sam johnson from essex ran year old sam johnson from essex onto— year old sam johnson from essex onto tne— year old sam johnson from essex ran onto the pitch— year old sam johnson from essex ran onto the pitch midway tnrongn— ran onto the pitch midway tnrongn tne— ran onto the pitch midway through the first half of the natsn— through the first half of the match before _ through the first half of the match before a— through the first half of the match before a throwing orange paint— match before a throwing orange paint powder—

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digital radio. i'm nana akua and we return to our great british debate this hour. i'm asking do you blame rishi sunak for the immigration crisis? now the prime facing a big prime minister is facing a big backlash as the uk's net migration has hit. oh, sorry. let me throw as a record calendar year high of 6000 and it comes despite a 2019 tory manifesto commitment to bring overall numbers down. now, the figure for 2022 accounts for cross—channel migrants , cross—channel migrants, students, nhs workers and ukrainian refugees and sunak says that net migration is too high for then. he denies that he's lost control . so for the he's lost control. so for the great british debate, this asking i'm asking do you blame him for the crisis ? yes. let's him for the crisis? yes. let's see what my panel make of that. joining me, broadcaster and columnist also columnist lizzie cundy, and also political commentator nigel nelson . nigel, political commentator nigel nelson. nigel, i'll political commentator nigel nelson . nigel, i'll start with nelson. nigel, i'll start with you. what do you think? well i mean, responsible for mean, he's not responsible for the because they've been the figures because they've been caused by a perfect storm. so it's ukraine, it's afghans- it's ukraine, it's afghans soning— it's ukraine, it's afghans coming here.— it's ukraine, it's afghans coming here. it's hong kong is soning—

coming here. it's hong kong is soning nee.— coming here. it's hong kong is coming here. yeah. and also sowin— coming here. yeah. and also covid, because— coming here. yeah. and also covid, because students couldn't get nere— covid, because students couldn't get nere tnring— covid, because students couldn't get here during covid. so we nave— get here during covid. so we nave a— get here during covid. so we nawe a tigger— get here during covid. so we have a bigger number now. so wnat-s— have a bigger number now. so was going— have a bigger number now. so was going to— have a bigger number now. so what's going to happen is that it witt— what's going to happen is that it wiii tatt— what's going to happen is that it will fall. the— what's going to happen is that it will fall. the numbers astnaiiy— it will fall. the numbers actually will— it will fall. the numbers actually will fall where rishi snnat— actually will fall where rishi snnat gets— actually will fall where rishi snnat gets it— actually will fall where rishi sunak gets it wrong is this kind of sunak gets it wrong is this kind ot tnee— sunak gets it wrong is this kind ot tnee jerk— sunak gets it wrong is this kind ot tnee iert .— sunak gets it wrong is this kind of knee jerk , cack_ sunak gets it wrong is this kind of knee jerk , cack handed of knee jerk, cack handed approasn— of knee jerk, cack handed approasn to— of knee jerk, cack handed approach to doing something and just approach to doing something and inst nessing— approach to doing something and just messing things up. so take the just messing things up. so take tne gnns— just messing things up. so take tne gnns nave— just messing things up. so take the guns have turned towards the stntents. — the guns have turned towards the stntents. wow— the guns have turned towards the students. now let's— the guns have turned towards the students. now let's try and stop stntents— students. now let's try and stop students coming— students. now let's try and stop students coming in. we had an international— students coming in. we had an international education strategy tron— international education strategy tron zeit— international education strategy from 2019 where— international education strategy from 2019 where we wanted . from 2019 where we wanted. 600,000— from 2019 where we wanted. 600,000 students here to support our universities— 600,000 students here to support our universities by— 600,000 students here to support our universities by 2030. now we're discouraging them. so at the we're discouraging them. so at tne nornent— we're discouraging them. so at the moment you've got contradictory- the moment you've got contradictory policies going tastwarts— contradictory policies going backwards and— contradictory policies going backwards and forwards. a it wont— backwards and forwards. a it wont mate— backwards and forwards. a it wont make a— backwards and forwards. a it won't make a huge difference to the won't make a huge difference to tne nnters— won't make a huge difference to the numbers as— won't make a huge difference to the numbers as only 1 in 4 stntents— the numbers as only 1 in 4 students bring— the numbers as only 1 in 4 students bring dependents in. ant— students bring dependents in. ant tnat-s— students bring dependents in. ant was a— students bring dependents in. and that's a partner and their sniitren— and that's a partner and their sniitren .— and that's a partner and their sniitren . it— and that's a partner and their children , if they're not allowed children, if they're not allowed to to— children, if they're not allowed to to gig,— children, if they're not allowed to do that, they— children, if they're not allowed to do that, they won't come here ant— to do that, they won't come here ant or— to do that, they won't come here and our universities— to do that, they won't come here and our universities will suffer . iizzis— and our universities will suffer . lizzie well— and our universities will suffer . lizzie well ,_ and our universities will suffer . lizzie well , i— and our universities will suffer . lizzie well, i think- and our universities will suffer . lizzie well, i think it's down to successive governments and the blob and the civil servants,

i'm afraid to say , and i'm afraid to say, and businesses. they want cheap iatonn— businesses. they want cheap iatonr. i-n — businesses. they want cheap labour, i'm afraid— businesses. they want cheap labour, i'm afraid to- they want cheap labour, i'm afraid to say. they want cheap labour, i'm afraid to say . and i labour, i'm afraid to say. and i tiane— labour, i'm afraid to say. and i tiane sone— labour, i'm afraid to say. and i blame some of— labour, i'm afraid to say. and i blame some of the uk population wno— blame some of the uk population wno won-t— blame some of the uk population wno wont get— blame some of the uk population who won't get off— blame some of the uk population who won't get off their sofas ant— who won't get off their sofas ant to— who won't get off their sofas and do simple— who won't get off their sofas and do simple manual jobs , i'm and do simple manual jobs, i'm atrait— and do simple manual jobs, i'm atrait to— and do simple manual jobs, i'm atrait to say. — and do simple manual jobs, i'm afraid to say. and— and do simple manual jobs, i'm afraid to say. and governments aiways— afraid to say. and governments aiways promise— afraid to say. and governments always promise more than they teiiwer— always promise more than they teiiwer .— always promise more than they ever deliver , don't they? ever deliver, don't they? the stsap— ever deliver, don't they? the stsap iatonr— ever deliver, don't they? the cheap labour thing. at least labour's got something to say. what is labour's labour would what is labour's laboui would do what is labour's labour would do is mate— what is labour's labour would do is make se— what is labour's labour would do is make sure that— what is labour's labour would do is make sure that at the moment tnat— is make sure that at the moment tnat enpioyers— is make sure that at the moment that employers can— is make sure that at the moment that employers can bring in sneap— that employers can bring in cheap labour— that employers can bring in cheap labour 20% below the going rate . — cheap labour 20% below the going rate . iatonr— cheap labour 20% below the going rate . labour would— cheap labour 20% below the going rate . " : f cheap labour 20% below the going rate . ” rate. labour would close that loophole so they would have to pay loophole so they would have to pay the same wages that a brit would get that would stop them bringing in cheap labour and that would cut the numbers a bit. but we're ending up in this ritisnions— bit. but we're ending up in this ridiculous position— . but we're ending up in this ridiculous position where we're gaining— ridiculous position where we're gaining a— ridiculous position where we're gaining a population of a small city gaining a population of a small sity-we— gaining a population of a small sity-we not— gaining a population of a small city-we not able— gaining a population of a small city-we not able to- gaining a population of a small city we not able to have the city and we not able to have the resources required,— city and we not able to have the resources required, the infrastructure, that is the infrastructure, and that is the protien — infrastructure, and that is the protien .we— infrastructure, and that is the problem .we can't- infrastructure, and that is the problem we can't get problem and we can't get anytning— problem and we can't get anything done— problem and we can't get anything done because we've got the anything done because we've got tne-intges— anything done because we've got tne-intges .— anything done because we've got tne-intges . as- anything done because we've got the-judges , as you- the european judges, as you know.— the european judges, as you tno-we— the european judges, as you know,-we've got- the european judges, as you know, we've got the lefty know, and we've got the lefty iawyers— know, and we've got the lefty iawyers wno— know, and we've got the lefty lawyers who are _ know, and we've got the lefty lawyers who are stopping ewerytting— lawyers who are stopping everything. so-

lawyers who are stopping everything. so you know, braverman and rishi. 4 0545 braverman and rishi. yeah, there are braverman and rishi. yeah, there two— braverman and rishi. yeah, there are two things there. there is obviously, the people are crossing by boat, which i think all of us want to find a way of stopping. then you've got these legal routes, legal migration, say the students , and bear in say the students, and bear in mind that they don't cost the pubuc mind that they don't cost the public purse anything that these it's really expensive to come here as a student and that you need £1,500 to pay your surcharge so you don't cost the health service anything you need to show you've got about £900 a month coming in. so you support yourself. same goes for your wife and children and what universities get at least £10,000 in study fees is going up to about £40,000. so you've cities benefit hugely. we all benefit from these people studying here, doing research or possibly staying a bit longer. so it's a question of fact. we're full. it's a burden on our wit.— we're full. it's a burden on our wws. on— we're full. it's a burden on our wws. on or— we're full. it's a burden on our nhs, on our education, on, on nonsing.— nhs, on our education, on, on our housing. but— nhs, on our education, on, on our housing. but are we are we tanit— our housing. but are we are we tanit. tnongn— our housing. but are we are we tanit. tnongn .— our housing. but are we are we fault, though , because you said

fault, though, because you said otwionsiy— fault, though, because you said otwionsiy its— fault, though, because you said obviously it's a— fault, though, because you said obviously it's a catalogue of titterent— obviously it's a catalogue of different politicians coming in. ann— different politicians coming in. ant oen— different politicians coming in. ant ot— different politicians coming in. and one of the— different politicians coming in. and one of the things- different politicians coming in. and one of the things he- different politicians coming in. and one of the things he said is that they're going to stop students from being able to bnng bring their family and dependents and people like that along, any along, which i don't think any other does anyway. no, other country does anyway. no, but making but i mean, the point i'm making tnere—knee— there is that's a knee jerk reastion— there is that's a knee jerk. reaction.-numbers there is that's a knee jerk- reaction.-numbers a reaction. it will cut numbers a tittie— reaction. it will cut numbers a iittie tit— reaction. it will cut numbers a iittie tit .— reaction. it will cut numbers a little bit ,-there- reaction. it will cut numbers a little bit , there aren't little bit, but there aren't tnat— little bit, but there aren't tnat nany— little bit, but there aren't that many dependents coming in. it that many dependents coming in. it-ewer— that many dependents coming in. it-ewer get— that many dependents coming in. it-ewer get to— that many dependents coming in. it-ewer get to %_ that many dependents coming in. it-ever get to % of- that many dependents coming in. it ever get to % of the it doesn't ever get to% of the totai— it doesn't ever get to% of the total student— it doesn't ever get to% of the total student population from toreign— total student population from foreign foreign— total student population from foreign foreign students . and foreign foreign students. and the foreign foreign students. and tne ason— foreign foreign students. and the reason for— foreign foreign students. and the reason for that is that nniwersity— the reason for that is that university does- the reason for that is that university does rely on the income that— university does rely on the income that those foreign stntents— income that those foreign students bring— income that those foreign students bring in. so we protatiy— students bring in. so we probably shouldn't be talking atont— probably shouldn't be talking about figures— probably shouldn't be talking about figures ,_ probably shouldn't be talking about figures , but actually about figures, but actually sategories. — about figures, but actually categories. .the- about figures, but actually categories. the shortage categories. so the shortage ossnpation— categories. so the shortage occupation list— categories. so the shortage occupation list where a lot of peopie— occupation list where a lot of peopie oe— occupation list where a lot of peopie in— occupation list where a lot of people come in on a no one would otiest— people come in on a no one would otiest to— people come in on a no one would otiest to nnrses— people come in on a no one would object to nurses care— people come in on a no one would object to nurses care workers soning— object to nurses care workers soning ters.— object to nurses care workers coming here. but— object to nurses care workers coming here. but ballet dancers are coming here. but ballet dancers on tnat— coming here. but ballet dancers on tnat .— coming here. but ballet dancers on tnat . i— coming here. but ballet dancers are on that . i think are on that. i think archaeologists are on. i think tnat— archaeologists are on. i think tnat sone— archaeologists are on. i think that some people would slightly otiest— that some people would slightly otiest to— that some people would slightly object to nurses— that some people would slightly object to nurses and care worerst— object to nurses and care workers-here- object to nurses and care- workers-here because it's workers coming here because it's not-we— workers coming here because it's not-we nawen-t— workers coming here because it's not-we haven't got- workers coming here because it's not we haven't got enough not that we haven't got enough peopie—itsl not that we haven't got enough. peopie— its tts people who do the jobs. it's the tast— people who do the jobs. it's the tact-tne— people who do the jobs. it's the fact-the wages— people who do the jobs. it's the fact the wages are so low fact that the wages are so low that with half a brain that no one with half a brain would well, would want to do it. well, then the is raise the raise the answer is to raise the raise the answer is to raise the raise the it? that the wages, isn't it? that would be instead bringing be right. instead of bringing in more immigration, mass

more mass immigration, mass migration, not migration, it doesn't. it's not adding is why people adding up, which is why people voted. a of people voted voted. a lot of people voted for brexit that brexit because we could see that the influx of people meant that the influx of people meant that the were sort of kept low the wages were sort of kept low and which meant that the indigenous or people who indigenous or the people who actually live in this country and live the rules of and have to live by the rules of this in terms of paying this country in terms of paying their and this and their mortgages and this and that, couldn't take that, couldn't afford to take those on. but from that those jobs on. but from that point— those jobs on. but from that point-trest- those jobs on. but from that point-brexit didn't. point of view, brexit didn't wort. — point of view, brexit didn't. wort. _ttat work. no, no, no. from that point view, brexit has point of view, brexit has worked. the truck worked. if you look at the truck drivers, a result, had worked. if you look at the truck dripay, a result, had worked. if you look at the truck dripay the a result, had worked. if you look at the truck dripay the lorry ult, had worked. if you look at the truck dripay the lorry ult, more.i to pay the lorry drivers more. so thing is the government so my thing is the government needs get finger needs to get their finger out and money to needs to get their finger out and people money to needs to get their finger out and people who money to needs to get their finger out and people who deserveioney to needs to get their finger out and people who deserve more to the people who deserve more money. aren't we invest in our own british workforce to get people? absolutely, own british workforce to get people? absolinaly, own british workforce to get people? absolin more. let's we're bringing in more. let's do — we're bringing in more. let's do wn— we're bringing in more. let's do. no, absolutely.- we're bringing in more. let's do. vi5i 055i let's do do. no, absolutely. let's do that. let's you know, work is good. that. let's you know, work is good . work is good for your good. work is good for your mental health. gives you mental health. it gives you a focus. we need to actually skill the workforce. _ focus. we need to actually skill the workforce. and— f we need to actually skill the workforce. and there should f we need to actually skill the vthererce. and there should f we need to actually skill the vthere shouldi there should f we need to actually skill the vthere shouldi th programsi f we need to actually skill the vthere shouldi th programs in be a there should be programs in piase—to— be a there should be programs in piase—toitnesei place to do that, to fill these tots—tringing- place to do that, to fill these jobs-bringing in. jobs that we're bringing in toreign— jobs that we're bringing ini foreign _that's foreign labour to do. that's atsointeiy— foreign labour to do. that's absolutely-this. absolutely right. and this government— absolutely right. and this government done nothing. government has done nothing. i ton-t— government has done nothing. i aont-san— government has done nothing. i don't-can-blamel don't think we can just blame isisni. — don't think we can just blame isisni. _ws-ws- don't think we can just blame rishi. _we've got- rishi. nigel, we've got successive government. look what rishi. nigel, we've got succeblair government. look what rishi. nigel, we've got succe blair did ernment. look what rishi. nigel, we've got succeblair did . i�*nent. look what rishi. nigel, we've got succeblair did . i think look what rishi. nigel, we've got succeblair did . i think tony what tony blair did. i think tony tiair— tony blair did. i think tony tiair was— tony blair did. i think tony blair was the _ tony blair did. i think tony blair was the start- ” : : i think tony blair was the start all he

blair was the start of all he tne— blair was the start of all he tne tony— blair was the start of all he was the tony blair was the start of was the tony blair was the start ot-iatonr— was the tony blair was the start of-labourlthink- was the tony blair was the start of-labourlthink you- of it. labour i think you actually blame successive actually blame blame successive governments actually blame blame successive gov moment. so it's not rishi's the moment. so it's not rishi's tanit— the moment. so it's not rishi's tanit tnat— the moment. so it's not rishi's tanit tnat-got— the moment. so it's not rishi's fault that-got-highl fault that we've got this high migration— fault that we've got this high migration figure— fault that we've got this high migration figure at the moment. and migration figure at the moment. ant-say.— migration figure at the moment. ant-say. it— migration figure at the moment. and-say, if we're _ migration figure at the moment. and say, if we're worried and as i say, if we're worried atont— and as i say, if we're worried atont tne— and as i say, if we're worried about the figures, they will come will come down, the ukrainians will go none. — come down, the ukrainians will go none. ape.— come down, the ukrainians will go home. after the the hong go home. after the war, the hong tongers— go home. after the war, the hong tongers witt— go home. after the war, the hong kongers will obviously settle nere— kongers will obviously settle nere ant— kongers will obviously settle here and those— kongers will obviously settle here and those students, but it is spinning— here and those students, but it is spiralling out— here and those students, but it is spiralling out of control. its— is spiralling out of control. it's spiralling— is spiralling out of control. it's spiralling out- is spiralling out of control. it's spiralling out of- is spiralling out of control. it's spiralling out of control. it's spiralling out of control. i don't know whether the target is rignt— i don't know whether the target is rignt to— i don't know whether the target is rignt to stop— i don't know whether the target is right to stop the students, tnt— is right to stop the students, tnt i— is right to stop the students, tnt i to— is right to stop the students, but i do agree— is right to stop the students, but i do agree that not having tneir— but i do agree that not having their dependent— but i do agree that not having. their dependent—like their dependent and people like that their dependent and people like tnat—some- their dependent and people like tnat—sons as- their dependent and people likei that—come as well, that being able to come as well, i that being able to come as well, i tnint— that being able to come as well, i tnint tnat-s— that being able to come as well, i think that's a— that being able to come as well, i think that's a bit. but then tney— i think that's a bit. but then they won't come either. but we've also learned they won't come either. buti we've also learned-lot we've also learned that a lot of peopie— people stay after the university ant— people stay after the university ant-tney— people stay after the university ant-tney to— people stay after the university and-they do some- people stay after the university and they do some of the and then they do some of the neniai— and then they do some of the neniai tots— and then they do some of the menial jobs that— and then they do some of the menial jobs that don't really and then they do some of the menmuchis that don't really and then they do some of the men muchis that economy. and then they do some of the menmuchis that economy. v5 add much to the economy. n0, tnere-s— add much to the economy. n0, worst—tnere- add much to the economy. n0, there's _there that. there's a loophole there that could think they could be closed. i think they snonit— could be closed. i think they snonit snnt— could be closed. i think they should shut-but- could be closed. i think they should shut-but but- could be closed. i think they should shut-but but i. f: f: i think they should shut but but i do should shut that. but but i do tnint—ant- should shut that. but but i do think—and truly- should shut that. but but i do think and truly the think that really and truly the reat— think that really and truly the reai—tnat- think that really and truly the reai—tnat tigl real crux of this is that big tsinesses— real crux of this is that big businesses .the- real crux of this is that big businesses the ones businesses are the only ones tnat— businesses are the only ones that—advantage. businesses are the only onesi that—advantage of that get to take advantage of the that get to take advantage of tne-iatonr— that get to take advantage of the-labour force - that get to take advantage of. the-labour force _we the cheap labour force when we keep— the cheap labour force when we keep-peopie- the cheap labour force when we keep - people from - keep bringing people from other sonntnes — keep bringing people from other countries. _them countries. so don't allow them to cheap, labour. but to get cheap, cheap labour. but we've to governments we've just got to governments nave—inst- we've just got to governments nave—inst goti we've just got to governments. nave—inst got to have to stop. we've just got to stop. behaving stop. we've got to stop behaving like right now we like this. and we right now we are like this. and we right now we going— like this. and we right now we going to— like this. and we right now we are going to take— like this. and we right now we

are going to take the- e and we right now we are going to take the hit tesse— are going to take the hit because there'll be a lull in wnisn— because there'll be a lull in wnisn-we— because there'll be a lull in which-we have- because there'll be a lull in which we have try which where we have to try and pay— which where we have to try andi pay—get pay our own people more to get tnen — pay our own people more to get them _standard,- them up to standard, up to ssratsn— them up to standard, up to scratch-right,- them up to standard, up to scratch right, you scratch with the right, you know.— scratch with the right, you know-wages- scratch with the right, you know,-wages .- scratch with the right, you know, wages . i'm sorry. unai know, the wages. i'm sorry. unai i know, the wages. i'm sorry. unai i mean— know, the wages. i'm sorry. unai i tnt— know, the wages. i'm sorry. unai i mean, but governments tend to the i mean, but governments tend to tne ott— i mean, but governments tend to tne oit tis— i mean, but governments tend to tne oit tix ot— i mean, but governments tend to the old fix of taxation without spending — the old fix of taxation without spending on— the old fix of taxation without spending on the— the old fix of taxation without spending on the real matters. teat. — spending on the real matters. teat. i— spending on the real matters. teat. i nan— spending on the real matters. teat. i .— spending on the real matters. yeah. i mean , no— spending on the real matters. yeah. i mean , no one- spending on the real matters. yeah. i mean , no one is- spending on the real matters. yeah. i mean, no one is against the idea of british jobs for british workers. i think that's atsointeiy— british workers. i think that's absolutely right.— british workers. i think that's absolutely right. but- e i think that's absolutely right. but you must nave— absolutely right. but you must nave tne— absolutely right. but you must have the skill— absolutely right. but you must have the skill labour to do it . have the skill labour to do it. ant— have the skill labour to do it. ant at— have the skill labour to do it. ant at tne— have the skill labour to do it. and at the moment we have snortages— and at the moment we have snortages in— and at the moment we have shortages in various areas . shortages in various areas. wett— shortages in various areas. weii. wny— shortages in various areas. well, why have— shortages in various areas. well, why have we got those snortages— well, why have we got those snortages e— well, why have we got those shortages ? the— well, why have we got those shortages ? the most recent ones shortages? the most recent ones put shortages? the most recent ones pnt on— shortages? the most recent ones pnt on tne— shortages? the most recent ones put on the occupation shortage list-carpenters _ put on the occupation shortage list carpenters and roofers list are carpenters and roofers ioins— list are carpenters and roofers ioins a— list are carpenters and roofers ioins a iot— list are carpenters and roofers ioins a iot ot— list are carpenters and roofers joins a lot of sadly the uk popniation— joins a lot of sadly the uk population don't want to do sinpie— population don't want to do simple simple— population don't want to do simple simple but those are tnose— simple simple but those are tnose are— simple simple but those are those are skilled jobs. i mean taiting— those are skilled jobs. i mean we're talking about skilled jobs tnere.— we're talking about skilled jobs tnere. so— we're talking about skilled jobs tnere. so wny— we're talking about skilled jobs there. so why haven't we been training— there. so why haven't we been training peopie— there. so why haven't we been training people to— there. so why haven't we been training people to do such jobs? ant— training people to do such jobs? ant sertainiy— training people to do such jobs? and certainly if— training people to do such jobs? and certainly if we— training people to do such jobs? and certainly if we do that, we wonitn-t— and certainly if we do that, we wouldn't need— and certainly if we do that, we wouldn't need to— and certainly if we do that, we wouldn't need to bring in bring inworers-t— wouldn't need to bring in bring in _workers.-at- in foreign workers. but at the moment— in foreign workers. but at the moment-to— in foreign workers. but at the moment,.do-we- in foreign workers. but at the moment, do we need in foreign workers. but at the- moment,.do-we need to moment, we do what we need to invest— moment, we do what we need to invest in— moment, we do what we need to invest in tne— moment, we do what we need to invest in the infrastructure. wett— invest in the infrastructure. wett-notting- invest in the infrastructure. j well,-n0thing without well, this is nothing without you views. let's you and your views. let's welcome britain voices welcome our great britain voices on to on their opportunity to be on the and tell they the show and tell us what they

think the topics we're think about the topics we're discussing going think about the topics we're disthoing going think about the topics we're disthoing let's going think about the topics we're disthoing let's have|oing over to bristol. let's have a chat leigh harris. leigh chat with leigh harris. leigh harris, do we blame rishi sunak for this particular disaster that we're in when it comes to immigration ? i blame rishi for immigration? i blame rishi for a lot immigration? i blame rishi for a iot ot— immigration? i blame rishi for a iot ot tnings— immigration? i blame rishi for a lot of things nana— immigration? i blame rishi for a lot of things nana but- 37 i blame rishi for a lot of things nana but don't tiane— lot of things nana but don't tiane nin — lot of things nana but don't blame him specifically for this innigration— blame him specifically for this immigration crisis. i blame successive governments and parties for decades of incompetence and not having the will or intelligence to control it. all the talk of target markets— it. all the talk of target markets and _ c all the talk of target markets and bringing down the nnters— markets and bringing down the numbers over the— markets and bringing down the numbers over the years has been sonpiete— numbers over the years has been complete nonsense. "t; complete nonsense. they've been telling massive fibs years. telling massive fibs for years. i the blair's labour i blame the blair's labour government , which you've already government, which you've already been discussing, gave it been discussing, so it gave it to it, you know, started essentially an open border policy. influence of policy. i blame the influence of the eu immigration numbers exploded and think it was exploded and i think it was about 2004 when the eastern bloc countries joined us. and i blame the conservatives for doing absolutely nothing about it. well, they've been in power and there seems to be sign of there seems to be no sign of this changing. you know there seems to be no sign of this cilizzie g. you know there seems to be no sign of this cilizzie was you know there seems to be no sign of this cilizzie was saying

recruit abroad before they can advertise , before they must advertise, before they must advertise, before they must advertise the uk and advertise in the uk and a dysfunctional welfare system that sees 5 million people on out of work benefits while there's jobs that need filling. but the end of the day, i am personally a pro controlled immigration brexiteer. overall, i believe that immigration can be beneficial when there's an economic need and we have the infrastructure and public services to support it. but it has to be controlled or we end up in the utterly unsustainable situation we find ourselves in now. well, situation we find ourselves in now . well, we are in the now. well, we are in the sitnation— now. well, we are in the sitnation .— now. well, we are in the situation . we— well, we are in the situation . we need to get out of situation. we need to get out of it. i— situation. we need to get out of it. i ton-t— situation. we need to get out of it. i don't know— situation. we need to get out of it. i don't know how, but thank you— it. i don't know how, but thank yon very— it. i don't know how, but thank yon wery nnsn— it. i don't know how, but thank you very much, lee harris , you very much, lee harris, aiways— you very much, lee harris, aiways tne— you very much, lee harris, always the voice - you very much, lee harris, always the voice reason and always the voice of reason and pertest— always the voice of reason and pertest sense— always the voice of reason and perfect sense. right. a perfect sense. right. he's a treat— perfect sense. right. he's a great british— perfect sense. right. he's a great british voice. right. toe— great british voice. right. toe witn— great british voice. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. inis— you're with me. i'm nana akua. its is— you're with me. i'm nana akua. its is tne— you're with me. i'm nana akua. its is tne st— you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is the gb news on tv, oniine— this is the gb news on tv, oniine ant— this is the gb news on tv, online and on— this is the gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. stit— online and on digital radio. still—tuned. still to come, stay tuned at 5:00— still to come, stay tuned at 5:00lthis_ still to come, stay tuned at 5:00 .this week's- still to come, stay tuned at 5:00 this week's difficult 5:00 as this week's difficult conversation— 5:00 as this week's difficult conversation and jessica 5:00 as this week's difficult conve willon and jessica 5:00 as this week's difficult conve will be and jessica 5:00 as this week's difficult conve will be live and jessica 5:00 as this week's difficult conve will be live inid jessica 5:00 as this week's difficult conve will be live in theissica alves will be live in the stntio. — alves will be live in the studio. now,— alves will be live in the studio. now, she can be described— studio. now, she can be described as— studio. now, she can be described as metamorphosis described as a metamorphosis personitiet— described as a metamorphosis personitiet .— described as a metamorphosis personified . a— described as a metamorphosis personified . a brazilian tv personified. a brazilian tv personaiity— personified. a brazilian tv personality born rodrigo had her

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i hello.- from 9.30. hello. good afternoon. this is gb news. we the people's gb news. we are the people's channel. nana akua. channel. i'm nana akua. welcome on you've joined on board. if you've just joined me, stream the me, remember you can stream the show youtube well. show live on youtube as well. but now there's always something going on in the royal household and has no and this week has been no different tina passing different. tina turner passing has led to prince william to open up about how the pop legend's music had an impact on his childhood. and the duchess of edinburgh has become the first royal to visit baghdad. meanwhile, according to the reports, prince harry has a room set aside in luxury hotel set aside in a luxury hotel where he can stay without his wife , meghan interesting wife, meghan markle. interesting so each saturday i'd like to give you a rundown. and who better to do that the better to do that than the royal biographer herself, angela levin. angela welcome and thank you so much forjoining me. right. start. angela you right. let's start. angela you look fabulous today. let's start with we start with harry with should we start with harry and meghan? go with with should we start with harry and firstian? go with with should we start with harry and firstiar harry go with with should we start with harry and firstiar harry and go with with should we start with harry and firstiar harry and meghanth with should we start with harry and firstiar harry and meghan ,| that first or harry and meghan, if you like. i know you'd like toltnat— if you like. i know you'd like to.that first. _ if you like. i know you'd like to .that first. well,- �*7 e i know you'd like to that first. kittie: to do that first. well, what's interesting is they have to pay

100 and almost £170,000. council tax, the equivalent of sonnsii— council tax, the equivalent of sonnsii tax. — council tax, the equivalent of council tax, and— council tax, the equivalent of council tax, and it's from their iosai— council tax, and it's from their iosai area— council tax, and it's from their local area. and— council tax, and it's from their local area. and in— council tax, and it's from their local area. and in it it tells you— local area. and in it it tells yon wnat— local area. and in it it tells you what they've got library, gym.— you what they've got library, cinema, gym, spa , pool, tennis cinema, gym, spa, pool, tennis sont— cinema, gym, spa, pool, tennis court, seven bedrooms, 16 tatnroons— court, seven bedrooms, 16 bathrooms reduced to 13. i don't know— bathrooms reduced to 13. i don't know wnat-s— bathrooms reduced to 13. i don't know what's going— bathrooms reduced to 13. i don't know what's going on in there. tnt— know what's going on in there. tnt anyway.— know what's going on in there. tnt anyway. so— know what's going on in there. but anyway, so why would sonetoty— but anyway, so why would somebody want to go and stay in a note— somebody want to go and stay in a notei e— somebody want to go and stay in a hotel ? well,— somebody want to go and stay in a hotel ? well, to— somebody want to go and stay in a hotel ? well, to get away. i a hotel? well, to get away. i it— a hotel? well, to get away. i mean, it seems— a hotel? well, to get away. i mean, it seems very odd. one of tne— mean, it seems very odd. one of tne noteis— mean, it seems very odd. one of tne noteis is— mean, it seems very odd. one of the hotels is permanently booked for the hotels is permanently booked tor tin.— the hotels is permanently booked tor tin. wnisn— the hotels is permanently booked for him, which sounds to me that it's for him, which sounds to me that its sonetning— for him, which sounds to me that it's something where he could rnsn— it's something where he could rnsn to— it's something where he could rnsn to it— it's something where he could rush to if things— it's something where he could rush to if things are bad is she snonting— rush to if things are bad is she snonting at— rush to if things are bad is she shouting at him?— rush to if things are bad is she shouting at him? is he feeling tepresset— shouting at him? is he feeling depressed that— shouting at him? is he feeling depressed that he's obviously going— depressed that he's obviously going onte— depressed that he's obviously going out? there's another hotel witn— going out? there's another hotel wit a— going out? there's another hotel wit a gym.— going out? there's another hotel with a gym, which— going out? there's another hotel with a gym, which he also reserves— with a gym, which he also reserves places- with a gym, which he also reserves places to. i think it's a reat— reserves places to. i think it's a reai tragis— reserves places to. i think it's a real tragic situation because it eans— a real tragic situation because it ne— a real tragic situation because it means he can't— a real tragic situation because it means he can't get up for the tits— it means he can't get up for the tits it— it means he can't get up for the tits it tney— it means he can't get up for the kids if they need— it means he can't get up for the kids if they need him. he won't be kids if they need him. he won't te tnere— kids if they need him. he won't be there first— kids if they need him. he won't be there first thing in the morning. — be there first thing in the morning. i— be there first thing in the morning. i mean, it's a tistanse— morning. i mean, it's a distance, isn't- morning. i mean, it's a distance, isn't it? and the

tistanse— distance, isn't it? and the distance between them seems to get ionger— distance between them seems to get ionger ant— distance between them seems to get longer and wider. it's all very— get longer and wider. it's all very ott— get longer and wider. it's all very oat. isn-t— get longer and wider. it's all very odd, isn't it?— get longer and wider. it's all very odd, isn't it? �*vavvfv very odd, isn't it? what about the duchess of edinburgh, then, in baghdad? what's story in baghdad? what's the story there? it's wonderful there? it's absolutely wonderful . its— there? it's absolutely wonderful . its tns— there? it's absolutely wonderful . it's the first— there? it's absolutely wonderful . it's the first royal— there? it's absolutely wonderful . it's the first royal who's been to baghdad. and she was talking about women who are violently treated there. now, what's interesting is she didn't go with a scarf. she just had a normal hairdo. she was met by the president and by the prime minister and she was there in secret for the three days the foreign office had asked her to go. and she went there. and if you hear some of her speeches and you look at her, she's so calm. she's so sophisticated and so caring about women being , you so caring about women being, you know, properly treated that i thought it was a wonderful decision by the foreign office and actually , she she seemed to and actually, she she seemed to do it in the small bits that they let us see very well. i mean, i think she needs to be much more respected in this country , motty, because there's

country, motty, because there's so much going on that she just quietly gets on with her work. but think we should but i think we should acknowledge that she's travelling , very loyal and travelling a lot, very loyal and doing a terrific job. what about snaries— doing a terrific job. what about snaries ant— doing a terrific job. what about charles and camilla— :5 g it. what about charles and camilla then? iney-re— charles and camilla then? iney-re in— charles and camilla then? they're in ireland , aren't they? they're in ireland, aren't they? yest— they're in ireland, aren't they? vss. ttsy-rs— they're in ireland, aren't they? vss. ttsy-rs in— they're in ireland, aren't they? yes, they're in ireland.- they're in ireland, aren't they? yes, they're in ireland. and- yes, they're in ireland. and they had a wonderful reception there. they went to open a new garden specially for the coronation. and you could see the difference between them on that amazing day of the coronation. and now when they were relaxed, there's one shot taken of camilla putting her hand round her husband's back and smiling and laughing and talking to the and they met two. one was called camilla. one was called charles. they were there with sort of phoney crowns and camilla made a lot of jokes about that. and she's just very natural with children. and you could see, you know, we've done it , mate, and they can now relax it, mate, and they can now relax and get on tremendously well and do the job. and what about irinse—

do the job. and what about prince william— do the job. and what about prince william and- :5 and what about prince william and tina turner ? prince william and tina turner? itin— prince william and tina turner? itis is— prince william and tina turner? itis is very— prince william and tina turner? itis is very .— prince william and tina turner? itis is very . very— prince william and tina turner? this is very , very touching- this is very, very touching because he says as he listened, they listened to it in the car and he says it felt like a real family moment. and he says it felt like a real family moment . and you think, family moment. and you think, you know how. and my mother should be driving along singing on the top of her voice . we'd on the top of her voice. we'd even get the policeman in the car . he'd be occasionally car. he'd be occasionally singing along as well. so that shows. that's before they split. diana charles split because diana and charles split because then she didn't have a protection officer on her insistence. but i think that he says it brings back lots of memories of my mother. and you see his memories are positive . see his memories are positive. they're nice, they're warm and very, very moving . he was very, very moving. he was lovely, very, very moving. he was ioveiy. isn-t— very, very moving. he was lovely, isn't it— very, very moving. he was lovely, isn't it ?_ orig 53 3 he was lovely, isn't it ? listen, angela lovely, isn't it? listen, angela ievin— lovely, isn't it? listen, angela ievin aiways— lovely, isn't it? listen, angela levin, always a— lovely, isn't it? listen, angela levin, always a pleasure . thank levin, always a pleasure. thank you— levin, always a pleasure. thank yon so— levin, always a pleasure. thank yon so nnsn— levin, always a pleasure. thank you so much for— levin, always a pleasure. thank you so much forjoining me. that is tne— you so much forjoining me. that is the fabulous— you so much forjoining me. that is the fabulous royal biographer,- is the fabulous royal biographer, angela levin . this biographer, angela levin. this is a— biographer, angela levin. this is a st— biographer, angela levin. this is a on wews— biographer, angela levin. this is a gb news on— biographer, angela levin. this is a gb news on tv, online and on tigitai— is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio.— is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. if— is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. if you've just tnnet— on digital radio. if you've just tnnet in— on digital radio. if you've just tuned in, welcome on board. i'm vana— tuned in, welcome on board. i'm wana ttna— tuned in, welcome on board. i'm nana akua. there's— tuned in, welcome on board. i'm nana akua. there's still loads to— nana akua. there's still loads more to come in— nana akua. there's still loads more to come in the next hour.

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after admitting he had an affair with a young male colleague, which he described as unwise but not illegal. he told the daily mail he lied about the relation ship to his wife, to his colleagues , to his friends and colleagues, to his friends and to his agents . the mail on to his agents. the mail on sunday, journalist charlotte griffiths says people in the industry must have known it was a video of him having lunch in a cafe with this young man. and although i think cafe with this young man. and although i think he— cafe with this young man. and although i think he was- f g and although i think he was 18 at the although i think he was 18 at tne tine— although i think he was 18 at tne tirne .— although i think he was 18 at tne tirne . so— although i think he was 18 at the time , so it— although i think he was 18 at the time , so it was the worst the time, so it was the worst kept— the time, so it was the worst tept seret — the time, so it was the worst kept secret. you— the time, so it was the worst kept secret. you have to take nin— kept secret. you have to take nin at— kept secret. you have to take nin at nis— kept secret. you have to take him at his word— kept secret. you have to take him at his word .— kept secret. you have to take him at his word . you know, holly him at his word. you know, holly nnst— him at his word. you know, holly nnst nave— him at his word. you know, holly must have asked— him at his word. you know, holly must have asked him about this . must have asked him about this. ieopie— must have asked him about this. ieopie aront— must have asked him about this. people around him— must have asked him about this. people around him must have asked— people around him must have asked-atont— people around him must have asked-about-and. people around him must have asked about and he asked him about this. and he nnst— asked him about this. and he nnst-inats- must have lied. that's what he said. —aii— must have lied. that's what he said. —aii we- said. and that's all we know rignt— said. and that's all we know rignt-wett— said. and that's all we know right-well gb- said. and that's all we know right well gb news, right now. well gb news, presenter— right now. well gb news, presenter and— right now. well gb news, presenter and former this morning— presenter and former this morning host— presenter and former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit morning host eamonn holmes has nit ont— morning host eamonn holmes has nit ont at— morning host eamonn holmes has nit ont at nis— morning host eamonn holmes has hit out at his ex— morning host eamonn holmes has hit out at his ex colleague saying— hit out at his ex colleague saying ne-s— hit out at his ex colleague saying he's finally been caught out saying he's finally been caught ont on— saying he's finally been caught out on social— saying he's finally been caught out on social media. 5; : out on social media. he said for my members of itv management knew what sort of man he was too, and never once took action too, and never once took action to prevent him controlling or taking advantage of his position

over young people. well, showbiz reporter ellie phillips told us that schofield's actions were more than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is the was the face of this morning in a massive position of power. and you've got a runner wno— power. and you've got a runner who v— power. and you've got a runner wno . in— power. and you've got a runner wno . in tne— power. and you've got a runner who , in the scheme— and you've got a runner who , in the scheme of things who, in the scheme of things witnin— who, in the scheme of things witnin tne— who, in the scheme of things within the scene,— who, in the scheme of things within the scene, you know, witnin— within the scene, you know, witnin now— within the scene, you know, within how it— within the scene, you know, within how it works behind the scenes is much— within how it works behind the scenes is much lower down the rnng— scenes is much lower down the rnnglterns— scenes is much lower down the rung-terms-power. - scenes is much lower down the rung terms power. so rung in terms of a power. so its— rung in terms of a power. so its-tnat— rung in terms of a power. so. it's-that-imbalance it's about that power imbalance .|tnint— it's about that power imbalance .|tnint . — it's about that power imbalance .|think. well,— it's about that power imbalance .|think. well, in— it's about that power imbalance . think . �*vavvi5;:: " . i think. well, in other news this afternoon , air passengers this afternoon, air passengers have been voicing their frustrations following a nationwide border control system failure . thousands of people failure. thousands of people travelling for the bank holiday are facing delays following a technical fault affecting e—gates. while the home office says it is working to resolve the problem with the electronic system , which is operated by system, which is operated by border force , the uk's biggest border force, the uk's biggest airport , heathrow, says it's airport, heathrow, says it's trying to manage queues and is working with authorities to fix the issue as quickly as possible . well, meanwhile, passengers at

the port of dover are also experiencing delays. that's following an earlier it issue at border control. apologising for the disruption, the port authority says the problem has now been fixed, but there are still queues with cars and coaches waiting around 45 minutes . a man who was arrested minutes. a man who was arrested after a car crashed into the downing street gates has been charged with making indecent images of children. the 43 year old was initially detained on suspicion of dangerous driving . suspicion of dangerous driving. that was following thursday's incident , but officers were incident, but officers were later seen searching the boot of the car before it was towed away. he's been remanded in custody after appearing in court on the unrelated offence and will reappear next month . to will reappear next month. to just stop oil protesters have been arrested for disrupting the gallagher premiership rugby final at twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick hart from bristol

and 40 year old sam johnson from essex ran onto the pitch . that essex ran onto the pitch. that was midway through the first half of the game before throwing orange paint powder onto the field where play was suspend as the men were escorted from the stadium by stewards . for their stadium by stewards. for their first minister of northern ireland, arlene foster believes the dup could do a deal with labour as it works to restore a power sharing government. while speaking to gloria de piero, the gb news presenter says a coalition could be formed if the next general election delivers a hung parliament. would it be tansitni— hung parliament. would it be tansitni to— hung parliament. would it be fanciful to even— hung parliament. would it be fanciful to even think- g would it be fanciful to even think that tnere— fanciful to even think that there could— fanciful to even think that there could ever be any sort of agreement— there could ever be any sort of agreement with— there could ever be any sort of agreement with the labour party in tne— agreement with the labour party in tne twit— agreement with the labour party in the dup? no,— agreement with the labour party in the dup? no, i— agreement with the labour party in the dup? no, i don't think loan-t— in the dup? no, i don't think so. idon't think— in the dup? no, i don't think so. idon't think so.- in the dup? no, i don't think so. idon't think so. at- in the dup? no, i don't think so. . v. so. i don't think so. at all. and i think there is quite good relationships with the secretary of state for northern ireland. relationships with the secretary of sshadownorthern ireland. relationships with the secretary of sshadow secretary reland. relationships with the secretary of sshadow secretary ofand. relationships with the secretary of sshadow secretary of state the shadow secretary of state for peter kyle for northern ireland, peter kyle , sir keir as , and indeed with sir keir as well. so no, not at all. and you can watch the full interview

with arlene foster. that's on gloria meets— with arlene foster. that's on gloria meets you— with arlene foster. that's on gloria meets you can- . that's on gloria meets you can catch that tornono at— gloria meets you can catch that tomorrow at 6:00. _ gloria meets you can catch that tomorrow at 6:00. but finally , tomorrow at 6:00. but finally, for tomorrow at 6:00. but finally, tor now— tomorrow at 6:00. but finally, tor a six— tomorrow at 6:00. but finally, for now, a six year— tomorrow at 6:00. but finally, for now, a six year old boy wno-s— for now, a six year old boy who's climbing— for now, a six year old boy who's climbing 12 mountains to raise— who's climbing 12 mountains to tor— who's climbing 12 mountains to raise for money— who's climbing 12 mountains to raise for money charity is preparing— raise for money charity is preparing tor— raise for money charity is preparing for his final hike. tssar— preparing for his final hike. oscar burro— preparing for his final hike. oscar burro from lancaster, who inspired— oscar burro from lancaster, who inspiret ty— oscar burro from lancaster, who was inspired by sir— oscar burro from lancaster, who was inspired by sir edmund titan.— was inspired by sir edmund wiiiary. sait— was inspired by sir edmund hillary, said he— was inspired by sir edmund hillary, said he wanted to be tne— hillary, said he wanted to be tne yonngest— hillary, said he wanted to be the youngest person ever to stint— the youngest person ever to climb everest.— the youngest person ever to climb everest. well, to help him asnieve— climb everest. well, to help him asnieve nis— climb everest. well, to help him achieve his goal,— climb everest. well, to help him achieve his goal, his dad taiiiet— achieve his goal, his dad taiiiet np— achieve his goal, his dad tallied up the- achieve his goal, his dad tallied up the peaks, which insintes— tallied up the peaks, which includes snowdon and scafell rite.— includes snowdon and scafell tite- to— includes snowdon and scafell tite- so tnat— includes snowdon and scafell pike. so that they'd be similar neignt— pike. so that they'd be similar neignt to— pike. so that they'd be similar height to everest— pike. so that they'd be similar height to everest . he's due to height to everest. he's due to stint— height to everest. he's due to stint ten— height to everest. he's due to climb ben nevis— height to everest. he's due to climb ben nevis on monday and has climb ben nevis on monday and nas aireaty— climb ben nevis on monday and has already raised— climb ben nevis on monday and has already raised more than esoeoe— has already raised more than esoeoe tor— has already raised more than £30,000 for darien house sniitren-s— £30,000 for darien house children's hospice in chorley . children's hospice in chorley. very— children's hospice in chorley. very test— children's hospice in chorley. very test ot— children's hospice in chorley. very best of luck— children's hospice in chorley. very best of luck to him. this is st— very best of luck to him. this is on wews— very best of luck to him. this is gb news we'll— very best of luck to him. this is gb news we'll bring you more as it— is gb news we'll bring you more as it nappens.— is gb news we'll bring you more as it happens. now,— is gb news we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, back to wana— as it happens. now, though, back to wana .— to nana. i good. to nana. good afternoon. it's coming up

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altogether? and have a fresh start? me gb views at gb start? email me gb views at gb news. com or tweet me at . news. com or tweet me at. gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. so welcome back. let's turn to a couple of stories about transgender women in sport. i mentioned them earlier in the week, but it's been decided by british cycling that cyclists born male cyclists will who were born male are banned from racing in are to be banned from racing in elite female british cycling events. to me, that is pretty obvious. under a new policy , obvious. under a new policy, raised racing will be split into two categories. female and opened and a biological woman has been deprived of a parkrun second record after a trans athlete beat her. deb roberts, who held the record since 20 2018, was robbed . let's see what 2018, was robbed. let's see what my panel think of that. i'm asking you, lizzie cundy, what do you think that ? think do you think of that? i think it's i can't it's about time. i can't understand an understand why it was even an issue. great decision issue. well, it's great decision tesse— issue. well, it's great decisioni because-competition. because it's unfair competition. iets— because it's unfair competition. iet-s te— because it's unfair competition. let's be honest.— because it's unfair competition. let's be honest. you know, it isn-t— let's be honest. you know, it isnt tair— let's be honest. you know, it isnt tair .— let's be honest. you know, it isn't fair . and— let's be honest. you know, it isn't fair . and you know , i'm isn't fair. and you know, i'm sorry— isn't fair. and you know, i'm sorry to— isn't fair. and you know, i'm sorry to say.— isn't fair. and you know, i'm sorry to say, when they dig you

up sorry to say, when they dig you np in— sorry to say, when they dig you np in too— sorry to say, when they dig you np in too years— sorry to say, when they dig you up in 300 years time, you your tones— up in 300 years time, you your tones witt— up in 300 years time, you your tones wiii say— up in 300 years time, you your bones will say you're a man and the bones will say you're a man and tne twa— bones will say you're a man and tne two is— bones will say you're a man and the dna is different. and it's very— the dna is different. and it's very nntair. — the dna is different. and it's very unfair. nigel- the dna is different. and it's very unfair. v 95. v455" a; 455; very unfair. nigel yeah, i agree with that totally. i'm in favour of making it as easy as possible for people to change their genden for people to change their gender. why? really? yes yeah. i mean, it affects very it affects very few people . it shouldn't it very few people. it shouldn't it shouldn't be a matter for government apart from to remove barriers . government apart from to remove barriers. but government apart from to remove barriers . but once you've done barriers. but once you've done that, you have to work out where things might go wrong and correct them . and sport is the correct them. and sport is the obvious example . well, so the obvious example. well, so the idea of saying too, that you must be a biological female to do a women's event, especially if it's actually a strenuous one, obviously not snooker or darts or something, but if it's cycling, seems to be the right kind of way forward, can i just. you said that you'd make it easier, though. _ you said that you'd make it easier, though. i— you said that you'd make it easier, though. i don't think. why— easier, though. i don't think. wny wonit— easier, though. i don't think. wny wonit yon— easier, though. i don't think. why would you do that? mean, easier, though. i don't think. whysawrld you do that? mean, easier, though. i don't think. why saw what u do that? mean, easier, though. i don't think. whysaw what happened mean, easier, though. i don't think. whysaw what happened inmean, you saw what happened in ssotiant— you saw what happened in. scotland—decided you saw what happened in- scotland_decided to scotland when they decided to try—easy. - scotland when they decided to try—easy. ine- try and make it easy. the unfortunate— try and make it easy. the. unfortunate—it's unfortunate as you said, it's oniy—otl only a small proportion of peopie.— only a small proportion of people. it people. therefore, by making it tnen— people. therefore, by making it easier, then will— people. therefore, by making it easier, then will affect a

iarger— easier, then will affect a larger proportion when people tate— larger proportion when peoplej take—we-ve take advantage of it, as we've seen immediately— take advantage of it, as we've seen immediately , as as seen immediately, as soon as tnere— seen immediately, as soon as tnere-tne— seen immediately, as soon as there the opportunity, well there was the opportunity, well |rnean— there was the opportunity, well |rnean tn— there was the opportunity, well , mean, i'm broadly favour , i mean, i'm broadly in favour of , i mean, i'm broadly in favour ot—retorns- , i mean, i'm broadly in favour ot—retorns in- of the gender reforms in ssotiant— of the gender reforms in scotland and— of the gender reforms in scotland and the point is that it was— scotland and the point is that it aiways— scotland and the point is that it was always going to throw up various anomalies. ': it was always going to throw up various anomalies. ' : various anomalies. and one of the things was going to be sport. another is the scots found happened when you found what happened when you sent a biologically male rapist into a woman's prison. so they had to sort that one out. so the whole whole load of things that have to be dealt with along the way. but the i think that government should stay as much out of it as possible because it's a personal decision . well, it's a personal decision. well, they're not. the trans- . :55. 5“ well, they're not. the trans community neet— they're not. the trans community need to— they're not. the trans community need to te— they're not. the trans community need to be treated— they're not. the trans community need to be treated kindness need to be treated with kindness and _absolutely. and understanding. absolutely tasty.— and understanding. absolutely tasty-tite— and understanding. absolutely sadly, like nicola sadly, people like nicola stnrgeon.— sadly, people like nicola sturgeon, who we've seen use tnen — sturgeon, who we've seen use them .political_ sturgeon, who we've seen use them political footballs to them as political footballs to points— them as political footballs to points .— them as political footballs to score points . and it is very score points. and it is very oat.— score points. and it is very oat. tnt— score points. and it is very odd. but she— score points. and it is very odd. but she was trying to remove-trying- odd. but she was trying to remove trying to odd. but she was trying to- remove _trying to remove remove she was trying to remove tarriers—teing- remove she was trying to remove barriers—being able. barriers to actually being able to teing— barriers to actually being able to teing atte— barriers to actually being able to being able to— barriers to actually being able to being able to change gender ant— to being able to change gender ant tnat-s— to being able to change gender and that's all— to being able to change gender and that's all government should to. — and that's all government should do. government— and that's all government should do. . " . do. government shouldn't be there to try and dictate it. it is personal decision. it is a personal decision. it affects very few people and most

of them just to live of them just want to live quietly and as they to quietly and as they want to live. i'm sorry, i disagree with you, nigel. i think it's i think it's you, nigel. i think it's i think itsworn-en- you, nigel. i think it's i think itsworn-en i- you, nigel. i think it's i think it's-women. i reallyi it's a war on women. i really to. — it's a war on women. i really to. its— it's a war on women. i really do. it's interesting,- it's a war on women. i really do. . g 3 do. it's interesting, though, and not against you, nigel, do. it's interesting, though, and it's not against you, nigel, do. it's interesting, though, and it's alwaysainst you, nigel, do. it's interesting, though, and it's always men you, nigel, do. it's interesting, though, and it's always men you, seem. do. it's interesting, though, and it's always men you, seem to but it's always men who seem to be that. like, if be saying that. but, like, if you to most women, you listen to most women, most women you know, women will tell, you know, that's acceptable because that's not acceptable because we know the we will know that we will be the we will be who get affected by be the ones who get affected by that. might small that. whilst it might be a small thing someone oh no, thing where someone says, oh no, it's you get it's fine, then you get a mediocre man that a mediocre man saying that he's a woman competing in a woman and then competing in a woman's and taking a woman's sport and taking a record . or as happened record away. or as has happened in from a woman in the parkrun from a woman who's the record. and it's who's held the record. and it's not so therefore, on that not even so therefore, on that scale you've it nice scale that you've made it nice and somebody to say and easy for somebody to say they're you said. they're a woman, as you said. do they're a woman, as you said. do they they end they do that? and then they end up that can't be. no, up in sport that can't be. no, that can't right. up in sport that can't be. no, that can't-right. and- .. “ 55“ . no, that can't right. and that's that can't be right. and that's why— that can't be right. and that's wny tnat— that can't be right. and that's why that should— that can't be right. and that's why that should be sorted out. it's why that should be sorted out. its—tennis- why that should be sorted out. it's—tennis as- why that should be sorted out. it'sii-tennis as- why that should be sorted out. it's i mean, tennis as why that should be sorted out. it's i mean, martinais as well. i mean, martina navratilova - well. i mean, martina- navratilova _forward navratilova has put forward a very— navratilova has put forward a very-proposa- navratilova has put forward a very-proposal for- very similar proposal for tennis.— very similar proposal for tennis. _think- very similar proposal for tennis. think that's tennis. and i think that's rignt.— tennis. and i think that's .pgn, tnat— tennis. and i think that's right, that if— tennis. and i think that's right, that if you've got pnysisai— right, that if you've got physical advantages , you should physical advantages, you should not te— physical advantages, you should not be competing— physical advantages, you should not be competing over a woman . not be competing over a woman. itsy-rs— not be competing over a woman. itsy-rs nore— not be competing over a woman. they're more powerful,— not be competing over a woman. they're more powerful, of- they're more powerful, of course. exactly. they're more powerful, of course. exactly . so if you have course. exactly. so if you have got— course. exactly. so if you have got tnat.— course. exactly. so if you have got pig, yon— 5.5- exactly. so if you have got that, you shouldn't be

sonpeting— got that, you shouldn't be sonpeting in— got that, you shouldn't be competing in women's sport. i do tate— competing in women's sport. i do take-point.— competing in women's sport. i do take-point. i— competing in women's sport. i do take-point. iinst— competing in women's sport. i do take point. i just feel take that point. i just feel i an — take that point. i just feel i am silenced— take that point. i just feel i am silenced and feel intimidated if i am silenced and feel intimidated it i speak— am silenced and feel intimidated it i speat ont— am silenced and feel intimidated if i speak out about this. '“: if i speak out about this. and i think— if i speak out about this. and i ttint it— if i speak out about this. and i ttint it is— if i speak out about this. and i think it is really— if i speak out about this. and i think it is really unfair on women and, you know , we've got women and, you know, we've got them sulking because they're against you know, they want to be in this. and it's not fair because we're weaker. but that's why the anonymous have to be sorted it's actually sorted out. so it's actually sate— sorted out. so it's actually sate spase— sorted out. so it's actually safe space for— : so it's actually safe space for women. so when it town to— safe space for women. so when it comes down to changing areas, toiiets— comes down to changing areas, toiiets ant— comes down to changing areas, toilets and things— comes down to changing areas, toilets and things like that , i toilets and things like that, i nnterstant— toilets and things like that, i understand all— toilets and things like that, i understand all that . it's just understand all that. it's just tnat— understand all that. it's just tnat i— understand all that. it's just tnat i tnint— understand all that. it's just that i think that— understand all that. it's just that i think that it's not the tiggest— that i think that it's not the tiggest issne— that i think that it's not the biggest issue with the public. ant— biggest issue with the public. ant i— biggest issue with the public. ant i tnint— biggest issue with the public. and i think i— biggest issue with the public. and i think i think it really is. — and i think i think it really is. again— and i think i think it really is. again .— and i think i think it really is. again , it's— and i think i think it really- is. again , it's always often the is. again, it's always often the men that say it's not the biggest issue. it's i do take your point about men, women, women not us. what if women may not us. what if somebody said to you, can a man have a vagina? does now have a vagina? does that now sound to you? sound a bit ridiculous to you? no, think that's no, i think that's that's a possitiiity— no, i think that's that's a possitiiity .— no, i think that's that's a possibility , because it will be possibility, because it will be it witt— possibility, because it will be it wiii te— possibility, because it will be it will be the _ possibility, because it will be it will be the downfall of the iatonr— it will be the downfall of the iatonr party— it will be the downfall of the labour party with the woman, tnen.— labour party with the woman, tnen. — labour party with the woman, tnen. vsat— labour party with the woman, then. yeah . well,- labour party with the woman, then. v455“ well, what is a then. yeah. well, what is a woman, nigel? _ then. yeah. well, what is a woman, nigel? a- then. v455“ well, what is a woman, nigel? v 5.5“ woman, nigel? a woman can self—identify. so therefore , a self—identify. so therefore, a woman can have a penis.

self—identify. so therefore, a woman can have a penis . and in woman can have a penis. and in the same way . so how can a woman can have a penis. and in the same way. so how can a woman nave— the same way. so how can a woman nave a— the same way. so how can a woman nave a penise— the same way. so how can a woman nave a penise wo — the same way. so how can a woman have a penis? no you— the same way. so how can a woman have a penis? no you can- so how can a woman have a penis? no v45- 55“ . have a penis? no you can be your biological sex and your gender are two different things. so you're saying a woman is a gender and you're saying woman is a gender rather than. yes, you have a biological sex and then you have a gender. so when did that happen? when did that tetasnnent— detachment happen? who agreed to it? detachment happen? who agreed to its—witn— detachment happen? who agreed to its—witn tnat. - it? i didn't agree with that. i-ve— it? i didn't agree with that.| i-ve—its i've never agreed. well, it's protatiy— i've never agreed. well, it's- protatiy—tnrongn probably happened right through nistory. — wigetl history. in fact, the. nigel, come on, this— history. in fact, the. nigel, come on, this will- history. “55. nigel, come on, this will the come on, this will be the towntaii— come on, this will be the downfall of _ come on, this will be the downfall of labour party downfall of the labour party tesse— downfall of the labour party because—can't. downfall of the labour party. because _can't say because keir starmer can't say wnat— because keir starmer can't say wnat a— because keir starmer can't say wnat a woan— because keir starmer can't say what a woman is.— because keir starmer can't say what a woman is. _ because keir starmer can't say what a woman is. v“: -- what a woman is. and this will be the downfall of them . be the downfall of them. neither can ed davey, by the way.— neither can ed davey, by the way-tnat— neither can ed davey, by the way-tnat was— neither can ed davey, by the way. that was embarrassing. way. yes that was embarrassing. iaiting— way. yes that was embarrassing. iaiting atont— way. yes that was embarrassing. talking about the— way. yes that was embarrassing. talking about the two _ way. yes that was embarrassing. talking about the two of- way. yes that was embarrassing. talking about the two of them are out kyiv. not me either. andrew. nigel. _ are out kyiv. not me either. andrew. nigel. all right, well, thank you so much to my panellists. now, i'm very excited to say that my next guest is metamorphosis personified right now. she is a brazilian tv personality. her name is jessica alves. she was born rodrigo had her first nose job at 19 and has spent hundreds

and thousands of pounds on plastic surgery ever since. now, jessica grew up in brazil and moved to london when she was 19 to study at the london school of economics before working as an air steward. happy in her career but unhappy with her looks, she made tweaks to her body and to try and reach what she called male perfection a fascination to the public who followed her transformation on social media. she came out as transgender in january 2020 and changed her name jessica later that year. name to jessica later that year. but bannau? well, the aim at but why bannau? well, the aim at first was to look like a ken doll . but after that, well, doll. but after that, well, let's ask her because she's joining me live in the studio. so huge. welcome to jessica alves, jessica. thank you very much for joining alves, jessica. thank you very much forjoining me. hello lovely to meet you. thanks lovely to “meet you. thanks for lovely to meet you. thanks for naving— lovely to meet you. thanks for naving — lovely to meet you. thanks for having me. lovely— lovely to meet you. thanks for having me. lovely to meet you. crikey so, jessica, talk to me at 19 when you decided to start all this transformation. yeah. so at the age of 19, i started my— so at the age of 19, i started my transformation with the help of my transformation with the help ot a— my transformation with the help ot a piastis— my transformation with the help of a plastic surgery in the best tostors— of a plastic surgery in the best tostors in— of a plastic surgery in the best doctors in the—

of a plastic surgery in the best doctors in the world. and now at the doctors in the world. and now at tne age— doctors in the world. and now at tne age ot— doctors in the world. and now at tne age ot st.— doctors in the world. and now at the age of 39, soon— doctors in the world. and now at the age of 39, soon to be 43. i an— the age of 39, soon to be 43. i am a woman. yeah.- the age of 39, soon to be 43. i am a woman. yeah. so so. so you tattooi— am a woman. yeah. so so. so you taitst to— am a woman. yeah. so so. so you talked to me about this? so you did the nose job initially. talked to me about this? so you did the nose job initially . and did the nose job initially. and so what was the order of surgery 7 so what was the order of surgery ? and, you know, sometimes because i think a lot a lot of people don't understand why people don't understand why people to people feel that they need to change something different change into something different in terms their so in terms of their gender. so what you that felt what was it about you that felt that do? think that you needed to do? i think that you needed to do? i think that people , most of us, that most of people, most of us, we are unhappy with our appearance basis. we appearance as daily basis. we try to change our we try to change our appearances witn— try to change our appearances witn natenp— try to change our appearances with makeup and— try to change our appearances with makeup and inject botox and titers— with makeup and inject botox and tiiiers ant— with makeup and inject botox and fillers and different hairdos. tnt— fillers and different hairdos. tnt its— fillers and different hairdos. but it's never— fillers and different hairdos. but it's never good enough. so tnen— but it's never good enough. so tnen .— but it's never good enough. so then , thankfully— but it's never good enough. so then , thankfully with technology then, thankfully with technology nowatays— then, thankfully with technology nowatays ant— then, thankfully with technology nowadays and the— then, thankfully with technology nowadays and the good doctors out nowadays and the good doctors ont nag,— nowadays and the good doctors out there, they— nowadays and the good doctors out there, they are _ nowadays and the good doctors out there, they are there to neip— out there, they are there to neip to — out there, they are there to neip to ns— out there, they are there to help to us achieve the image tnat— help to us achieve the image tnat we— help to us achieve the image that we have— help to us achieve the image that we have in— help to us achieve the image that we have in our mind and be atte— that we have in our mind and be atie to— that we have in our mind and be atie to protest— that we have in our mind and be able to project that— that we have in our mind and be able to project that a daily tasis— able to project that a daily tasis into— able to project that a daily basis into society. everything started— basis into society. everything startet tron — basis into society. everything started from nose job. i wasn't happy— started from nose job. i wasn't nappy witn— started from nose job. i wasn't nappy wit it— started from nose job. i wasn't happy with it and— started from nose job. i wasn't happy with it and i wasn't happy witn— happy with it and i wasn't happy wit my— happy with it and i wasn't happy with my appearance nor even my gender.— with my appearance nor even my genter. tnt— with my appearance nor even my genter. tnt i— with my appearance nor even my

gender. but i didn't— with my appearance nor even my gender. but i didn't i didn't nave— gender. but i didn't i didn't nave a— gender. but i didn't i didn't have a knowledge back in time atont— have a knowledge back in time atont now— have a knowledge back in time atont now to— have a knowledge back in time about how to transition. and if tnere— about how to transition. and if tnere was— about how to transition. and if there was actually possible . i there was actually possible. i knew— there was actually possible. i knew tnat— there was actually possible. i knew tnat i— there was actually possible. i knew that i was— there was actually possible. i knew that i was a woman from a very— knew that i was a woman from a very yonng— knew that i was a woman from a very yonng age.— knew that i was a woman from a very yonng age. tnt— knew that i was a woman from a very young age, but throughout the very young age, but throughout tne years— very young age, but throughout tne years i— very young age, but throughout the years i tried— very young age, but throughout the years i tried my to best be a i— the years i tried my to best be arnan i tried— the years i tried my to best be a man. i tried my— the years i tried my to best be a man. i tried my best to live as a tnt— a man. i tried my best to live as a man, but i— a man. i tried my best to live as a man, but i failed badly tesse— as a man, but i failed badly tesse i— as a man, but i failed badly because i was— as a man, but i failed badly because i was so- as a man, but i failed badly because i was so unhappy and tnen— because i was so unhappy and tnen i— because i was so unhappy and tnen i kept— because i was so unhappy and then i kept having surgeries to notity— then i kept having surgeries to notity ny— then i kept having surgeries to modify my appearance to actually make— modify my appearance to actually make me— modify my appearance to actually make me toot— modify my appearance to actually make me look like— modify my appearance to actually make me look like a man because i make me look like a man because i — make me look like a man because iwas torn.— make me look like a man because iwas torn. tn— make me look like a man because i was born. i'm genetically speaking— i was born. i'm genetically speating .— i was born. i'm genetically speating . i— i was born. i'm genetically speaking , i am- i was born. i'm genetically speaking, i am a i was born. i'm genetically speaking , i am a biological male speaking, i am a biological male .tnt— speaking, i am a biological male one i— speaking, i am a biological male one i was— speaking, i am a biological male . and i was nicknamed as the nnnan— . and i was nicknamed as the nnnan tite— . and i was nicknamed as the human life. kendall was never my aim— human life. kendall was never my aim to— human life. kendall was never my aim to toot— human life. kendall was never my aim to look like— human life. kendall was never my aim to look like a— human life. kendall was never my aim to look like a doll or have tnat— aim to look like a doll or have that nickname. _ aim to look like a doll or have that nickname. but i took that as a compliment— that nickname. but i took that as a compliment because, you know.— as a compliment because, you know. we— as a compliment because, you know. we at— as a compliment because, you know, we all know— as a compliment because, you know, we all know that the tartie — know, we all know that the barbie doll— know, we all know that the barbie doll and— know, we all know that the barbie doll and kendall portrayed— barbie doll and kendall portrayed the perfection of tenaie— portrayed the perfection of tenaie ant— portrayed the perfection of female and male body form. so i gnite— female and male body form. so i was quite flattered— female and male body form. so i was quite flattered with that. so was quite flattered with that. so i— was quite flattered with that. so i iivet — was quite flattered with that. so i lived with _ was quite flattered with that. so i lived with that nickname for so i lived with that nickname tor yeas— so i lived with that nickname for years, which _ so i lived with that nickname for years, which each developed into— for years, which each developed into a— for years, which each developed into a very— for years, which each developed

into a very successful career in teievision — into a very successful career in teievision .— into a very successful career in teievision . so— into a very successful career in television . so far,— into a very successful career in television . so far, more than television. so far, more than too— television. so far, more than 700 television— television. so far, more than 700 television shows in 24 sonntnes — 700 television shows in 24 countries. really? yeah as i speak.— countries. really? yeah as i speak. six— countries. really? yeah as i speak. six languages fluently . speak. six languages fluently. ant— speak. six languages fluently. ant i— speak. six languages fluently. ant i aiso— speak. six languages fluently. ant i aiso got— speak. six languages fluently. and i also got a— speak. six languages fluently. and i also got a good degree in tnis— and i also got a good degree in we sonntry.— and i also got a good degree in this country. so— and i also got a good degree in this country. so clever. you nave— this country. so clever. you have enlisted.— this country. so clever. you have enlisted. i— this country. so clever. you have enlisted. i have invested in my— have enlisted. i have invested in my appearance— have enlisted. i have invested in my appearance throughout the yeas— in my appearance throughout the yeas tnt— in my appearance throughout the yeas tnt aiso— in my appearance throughout the years, but also have invested aiso— years, but also have invested aiso in— years, but also have invested aiso in my— years, but also have invested also in my education. and i wanted— also in my education. and i wanted to— also in my education. and i wanted to be— also in my education. and i wanted to be the best person tnat— wanted to be the best person tnat i— wanted to be the best person tnat i sonit— wanted to be the best person that i could possibly be, just not— that i could possibly be, just not as— that i could possibly be, just not as aesthetically, visually, tnt— not as aesthetically, visually, tnt aiso— not as aesthetically, visually, but also intellect , fully and but also intellect, fully and snitnraiiy— but also intellect, fully and culturally speaking , because culturally speaking, because yoe— culturally speaking, because you're intelligent. “ culturally speaking, because you're intelligent. i mean, you went— you're intelligent. i mean, you went to— you're intelligent. i mean, you went to the lsc, london school of economics. went to ltc of economics. i went to ltc london college of communication arts, actually. i studied pr and communications.— arts, actually. i studied pr and communications. yeah- v 5 i studied pr and communications. yeah yeah. v45- communications. yeah yeah. you tave— communications. yeah yeah. you have to— communications. yeah yeah. you have to te— communications. yeah yeah. you tavs to ts pretty— communications. yeah yeah. you have to be pretty intelligent to go to those . yeah. i would like go to those. yeah. i would like to teiieve— go to those. yeah. i would like to believe that— go to those. yeah. i would like to believe that i'm— 35 v455“ i would like to believe that i'm intelligent pson— to believe that i'm intelligent peson ant— to believe that i'm intelligent peson ant i— to believe that i'm intelligent person and i would like to . and person and i would like to. and in— person and i would like to. and in se— person and i would like to. and in tnat— person and i would like to. and i'm sure that my— person and i would like to. and i'm sure that my choices tnrongnont— i'm sure that my choices throughout the years to modify my throughout the years to modify rny appearanse— throughout the years to modify my appearance in— throughout the years to modify my appearance in my body has teen— my appearance in my body has teen wise— my appearance in my body has been wise. because today i can sontirn— been wise. because today i can sontirn tnat— been wise. because today i can confirm that i— been wise. because today i can confirm that i am— been wise. because today i can confirm that i am a very happy

ant i— confirm that i am a very happy woman and i just— confirm that i am a very happy woman and i just wish that i transitioned— woman and i just wish that i transitioned much earlier in my tits — transitioned much earlier in my its so— transitioned much earlier in my its so wnen— transitioned much earlier in my life. so when you— transitioned much earlier in my life. so when you say- transitioned much earlier in my life. so when you say transition , everybody thinks, do you go through the whole thing is through the whole thing or is it just appearance ? i'm just visually appearance? i'm not being nosy, but not i'm not being nosy, but i think a of people ask me and think a lot of people ask me and tell if you had it all tell me if you had it all snipped off. yeah you've had it all yeah i am. i am .just all done. yeah i am. i am. just like any woman— all done. yeah i am. i am. just like any woman .— all done. yeah i am. i am. just like any woman . so.- : 4 iam. just like any woman . so. and i have like any woman. so. and i have nat— like any woman. so. and i have tat otter— like any woman. so. and i have had older surgeries to be a . i— had older surgeries to be a woman . i have— had older surgeries to be a woman . i have changed all my woman. i have changed all my tosnnents— woman. i have changed all my tosnnents .— woman. i have changed all my documents , including my birth documents, including my birth sertitisate— documents, including my birth sertitisate .— documents, including my birth certificate . i— documents, including my birth certificate . i can— documents, including my birth certificate . i can get married certificate. i can get married ant— certificate. i can get married ant tn.— certificate. i can get married ant in. in— certificate. i can get married and i'm. i'm christian—catholic. so and i'm. i'm christian—catholic. so i— and i'm. i'm christian—catholic. so i san— and i'm. i'm christian—catholic. so i get— and i'm. i'm christian—catholic. so i can get even— and i'm. i'm christian—catholic. so i can get even married at the stnrst— so i can get even married at the snnrsn. iiy— so i can get even married at the snnrsn. iiy tinn— so i can get even married at the church. my birth certificate has teen— church. my birth certificate has teen stanget— church. my birth certificate has been changed. all my passports, my identity— been changed. all my passports, my identity .— been changed. all my passports, my identity . also— been changed. all my passports, my identity . also have had a my identity. also have had a gender— my identity. also have had a gender reassignment surgery . i gender reassignment surgery. i nave— gender reassignment surgery. i nave a— gender reassignment surgery. i have a functional— gender reassignment surgery. i have a functional female organ . have a functional female organ. vean. — have a functional female organ. vean. ant— have a functional female organ. vean. ant i— have a functional female organ. vean. ant i an— have a functional female organ. yeah. and i am a— have a functional female organ. yeah. and i am a woman. i look tite— yeah. and i am a woman. i look iite one— yeah. and i am a woman. i look iite i— yeah. and i am a woman. i look like one. i sound— yeah. and i am a woman. i look like one. i sound like one. and yean— like one. i sound like one. and yean tn— like one. i sound like one. and yean. i-n inst— like one. i sound like one. and yeah, i'm just feeling so what?

tnere— yeah, i'm just feeling so what? tnere nnst— yeah, i'm just feeling so what? there must be— yeah, i'm just feeling so what? there must be some— yeah, i'm just feeling so what? there must be some downsides, though, because, like, i spoke to scott nugent, who went from female to male , and he really female to male, and he really deeply regrets it. but also there's nothing he can do about it now. he's gone through all of it. so because, you know, a lot of young people will some people it. so because, you know, a lot of y4 look people will some people it. so because, you know, a lot of y4 look atople will some people it. so because, you know, a lot of yllook at you will some people it. so because, you know, a lot of y4 look at you will aspire people it. so because, you know, a lot of y4 look at you will aspire to ople will look at you and aspire to be exactly you. but in the be exactly like you. but in the real in reality, in terms of do you have to take medicine all the time? do you have you have to medicine all the time? to take medicine all the time? yeah. it's now a days the day yeah. it's now a days at the day ant— yeah. it's now a days at the day ant-tnat— yeah. it's now a days at the day ant-tnat we— yeah. it's now a days at the day and-that we are— yeah. it's now a days at the day and that we are living, we and age that we are living, we are and age that we are living, we seeing— and age that we are living, we seeing a— and age that we are living, we are seeing a.of_ and age that we are living, we are seeing a of like are seeing a lot of people like nyseit. — are seeing a lot of people like nyseit. .not— are seeing a lot of people like myself. - not the - are seeing a lot of people like myself. not the only one. so myself. i'm not the only one. so yoe— myself. i'm not the only one. so yonre-iot— myself. i'm not the only one. so yonre-tot ot- myself. i'm not the only one. so you're-lot of people. you're seeing a lot of people astnaiiy— you're seeing a lot of people actually changing their genders. it actually changing their genders. it is— actually changing their genders. it is something— actually changing their genders. it is something which is very common around— it is something which is very common around the world, not oniy— common around the world, not oniy in— common around the world, not oniy in tnis— common around the world, not only in this country. it is a very— only in this country. it is a very tig— only in this country. it is a very big decision . it's not very big decision. it's not easy.— very big decision. it's not easy. its— very big decision. it's not easy. its very— very big decision. it's not easy. it's very expensive . kyiv easy. it's very expensive. kyiv it easy. it's very expensive. kyiv it is— easy. it's very expensive. kyiv it is unhealthy— easy. it's very expensive. kyiv it is unhealthy because otvionsiy— it is unhealthy because obviously we- it is unhealthy because obviously we are going through so many— obviously we are going through so many surgeries. one has to be very— so many surgeries. one has to be very nentaiiy— so many surgeries. one has to be very mentally strong, not only pnysisaiiy— very mentally strong, not only physically strong _ very mentally strong, not only physically strong , having the physically strong, having the snpport— physically strong, having the snpport ot— physically strong, having the snpport ot tne— physically strong, having the support of the family and a good tostors. — support of the family and a good tostors. its— support of the family and a good doctors. it's really— support of the family and a good doctors. it's really important . doctors. it's really important.

my doctors. it's really important. iiy transition— doctors. it's really important. my transition in— doctors. it's really important. my transition in the beginning very— my transition in the beginning very .— my transition in the beginning very . very— my transition in the beginning was very , very difficult. i lost was very, very difficult. i lost a iot. — was very, very difficult. i lost a iot. i— was very, very difficult. i lost a iot. i iost— was very, very difficult. i lost a lot. i lost so— was very, very difficult. i lost a lot. i lost so many jobs that i a lot. i lost so many jobs that i nat— a lot. i lost so many jobs that i tat so— a lot. i lost so many jobs that i tat so many— a lot. i lost so many jobs that i had so many brands collaborate tesse— i had so many brands collaborate tesse tney— i had so many brands collaborate because they didn't— i had so many brands collaborate because they didn't want to have notning— because they didn't want to have notning to— because they didn't want to have notning to to— because they didn't want to have nothing to do with— because they didn't want to have nothing to do with me anymore. iiany— nothing to do with me anymore. iiany toors— nothing to do with me anymore. iiany toors is— nothing to do with me anymore. many doors is closed, but now, atter— many doors is closed, but now, atter neariy— many doors is closed, but now, after nearly four— many doors is closed, but now, after nearly four years living as iessisa— after nearly four years living as jessica alves— after nearly four years living as jessica alves ,_ after nearly four years living as jessica alves , doors are as jessica alves, doors are opening— as jessica alves, doors are opening again— as jessica alves, doors are opening again to me and people are opening again to me and people starting— opening again to me and people starting to— opening again to me and people are starting to respect me and see me for different eyes. it is tnis— see me for different eyes. it is we is— see me for different eyes. it is we is not— see me for different eyes. it is this is not vanity. _ see me for different eyes. it is this is not vanity. this is not tasnion. — this is not vanity. this is not fashion. this— this is not vanity. this is not fashion. this is— this is not vanity. this is not fashion. this is not beauty. inis— fashion. this is not beauty. its is— fashion. this is not beauty. its is inst— fashion. this is not beauty. this is just someone , one who this is just someone, one who wanted— this is just someone, one who wanted to— this is just someone, one who wanted to te— this is just someone, one who wanted to be happy. and then i nat— wanted to be happy. and then i tat two— wanted to be happy. and then i had two choices— wanted to be happy. and then i had two choices leave or die. i reasnet— had two choices leave or die. i reasnet a— had two choices leave or die. i reached a wall— had two choices leave or die. i reached a wall that i was so depressed— reached a wall that i was so depressed and— reached a wall that i was so depressed and living as a man tnat— depressed and living as a man tnat i— depressed and living as a man tnat i nat— depressed and living as a man that i had two— depressed and living as a man that i had two choices, which to— that i had two choices, which was to transition— that i had two choices, which was to transition in and leave my— was to transition in and leave my tite— was to transition in and leave my iite .— was to transition in and leave my iite . or— was to transition in and leave my life , or basically to end my life, or basically to end everytning— my life, or basically to end everytning .— my life, or basically to end everything . so— my life, or basically to end everything . so i've chosen to everything. so i've chosen to iive— everything. so i've chosen to iive ant— everything. so i've chosen to live and life— everything. so i've chosen to live and life is— everything. so i've chosen to live and life is beautiful and sad:— live and life is beautiful and sat. tnt— live and life is beautiful and sat. tnt it— live and life is beautiful and sad, but it is— live and life is beautiful and sad, but it is a— live and life is beautiful and sad, but it is a difficult ionrney— sad, but it is a difficult ionrney. its— sad, but it is a difficult journey. it's not easy. i i inspire— journey. it's not easy. i i inspire a— journey. it's not easy. i i inspire a lot— journey. it's not easy. i i inspire a lot of- journey. it's not easy. i i inspire a lot of people around the inspire a lot of people around tne wont.— inspire a lot of people around the world. i'm— inspire a lot of people around the world. i'm on— inspire a lot of people around the world. i'm on television pretty— the world. i'm on television pretty nnsn— the world. i'm on television pretty much every day in

titterent— pretty much every day in different countries and nowadays i different countries and nowadays i ton-t— different countries and nowadays i ton-t tatt— different countries and nowadays i ton-t tait so— different countries and nowadays i don't talk so much about about nyseit— i don't talk so much about about myself because— i don't talk so much about about myself because there is so much atont— myself because there is so much atont ne— myself because there is so much about me online.— myself because there is so much about me online. if— myself because there is so much about me online. if people read know— about me online. if people read tnow ant— about me online. if people read tnow ant i— about me online. if people read know and i inspire— about me online. if people read know and i inspire a lot of peopie— know and i inspire a lot of peopie ont— know and i inspire a lot of people out there to follow their dreams— people out there to follow their trearns to— people out there to follow their trearns to te— people out there to follow their dreams, to be the— people out there to follow their dreams, to be the best version tnat— dreams, to be the best version tnat tney— dreams, to be the best version tnat tney san— dreams, to be the best version that they can possibly be daily tasis.— that they can possibly be daily tasis. ant— that they can possibly be daily tasis. ant it— that they can possibly be daily basis. and if cosmetic surgery, piastis— basis. and if cosmetic surgery, piastis snrgery— basis. and if cosmetic surgery, plastic surgery is— basis. and if cosmetic surgery, plastic surgery is right for your— plastic surgery is right for yon. yon— plastic surgery is right for yon. yon nake— plastic surgery is right for you, you make you make you nappies— you, you make you make you happier, definitely go for it. tnt— happier, definitely go for it. tnt wnat— happier, definitely go for it. tnt wnat to— happier, definitely go for it. but what do you— happier, definitely go for it. but what do you think- happier, definitely go for it. but what do you think of the conversation with regard to because there's trans people in women's sports to trans women in women's sports to trans women in women's sports to trans women in women's sports . how do you feel women's sports. how do you feel about that, that particular conversation? what's your thoughts on that? yeah, i think that thoughts on that? yeah, i think tnat peopie— thoughts on that? yeah, i think tnat peopie in— thoughts on that? yeah, i think that people in society- thoughts on that? yeah, i think that people in society ,- g .“5.7 yeah, i think that people in society , they that people in society, they overcomplicate_ that people in society, they overcomplicate . we are all overcomplicate. we are all nnans— overcomplicate. we are all nnans .— overcomplicate. we are all nnans . we— overcomplicate. we are all humans . we are always keen in humans. we are always keen in tones— humans. we are always keen in tonts ant— humans. we are always keen in tonts ant we— humans. we are always keen in bonds and we all— humans. we are always keen in bonds and we all need equal opportnnity— bonds and we all need equal opportnnity ont— bonds and we all need equal opportunity out there . there are opportunity out there. there are a iot— opportunity out there. there are a iot ot— opportunity out there. there are a iot ot nigniy— opportunity out there. there are a lot of highly skilled athletes out a lot of highly skilled athletes ont tnere— a lot of highly skilled athletes out there that— a lot of highly skilled athletes out there that that are transgender- out there that that are transgender and they should be respestet. — transgender and they should be respestet. tney— transgender and they should be respected. they should be given opportnnities— respected. they should be given opportunities which they do. but tnen— opportunities which they do. but tnen tnere— opportunities which they do. but tnen tnere is— opportunities which they do. but then there is a— opportunities which they do. but then there is a conversation tnat— then there is a conversation tnat says— then there is a conversation that says that— then there is a conversation

that says that a— then there is a conversation that says that a biological male is stronger— that says that a biological male is stronger than— that says that a biological male is stronger than a— that says that a biological male is stronger than a biological tenaie— is stronger than a biological female competing at a sport. i agree— female competing at a sport. i agree witn— female competing at a sport. i agree with that— female competing at a sport. i agree with that .— female competing at a sport. i agree with that . but then one agree with that. but then one nests— agree with that. but then one needs to— agree with that. but then one needs to go— agree with that. but then one needs to go through a hormone tterapy— needs to go through a hormone tnerapy. ine— needs to go through a hormone therapy. the hormone therapy . therapy. the hormone therapy. it's therapy. the hormone therapy. its a— therapy. the hormone therapy. its a iong— therapy. the hormone therapy. it's a long process. and one witt— it's a long process. and one wiii see— it's a long process. and one will see the— it's a long process. and one will see the effect of the noon — will see the effect of the hormone just— will see the effect of the hormone just after two years. so taiting— hormone just after two years. so we're talking about— hormone just after two years. so we're talking about the fairness and we're talking about the fairness ant aiso— we're talking about the fairness ant aiso tow— we're talking about the fairness and also low skills and the atiiity— and also low skills and the atiiity to— and also low skills and the ability to do— and also low skills and the ability to do something . and ability to do something. and otvionsiy— ability to do something. and otvionsiy .— ability to do something. and obviously , someone who is obviously, someone who is a tioiogisai— obviously, someone who is a biological male— obviously, someone who is a biological male will be stronger and biological male will be stronger ant witt— biological male will be stronger and will have— biological male will be stronger and will have more advantage tnan— and will have more advantage tan a— and will have more advantage than a biological— and will have more advantage than a biological female. i agree— than a biological female. i agree witn— than a biological female. i agree with that. but then one nas— agree with that. but then one nas to— agree with that. but then one has to understand and that needs to go— has to understand and that needs to go tnrongn— has to understand and that needs to go tnrongn a— has to understand and that needs to go through a medical treatment— to go through a medical treatment first. “55 : to go through a medical- treatment first. there needs to be a proper category. i see. i see a lot of people out there ant— see a lot of people out there ant tnen— see a lot of people out there ant tnen i— see a lot of people out there and then i get— see a lot of people out there and then i get very criticised. i and then i get very criticised. i get— and then i get very criticised. i get very— and then i get very criticised. i get very nnsn— and then i get very criticised. i get very much criticised when i get very much criticised when i say— i get very much criticised when i say tnis— i get very much criticised when i say tnis tnt— i get very much criticised when i say this, but this— i get very much criticised when i say this, but this is my opinion. — i say this, but this is my opinion. but— i say this, but this is my opinion. but that's the reality as—ot— opinion. but that's the reality as—ot peopie- opinion. but that's the reality as_of people out. as well. a lot of people out tnere— as well. a lot of people out tnere .— as well. a lot of people out tnere . tney— as well. a lot of people out there , they do— as well. a lot of people out there , they do and speak on there, they do and i speak on tenait— there, they do and i speak on tenait ot— there, they do and i speak on behalf of the— there, they do and i speak on behalf of the transgender sonnnnity— behalf of the transgender community. are a lot of community. there are a lot of peopie— community. there are a lot of peopie-tnere—

community. there are a lot of people-there that- community. there are a lot of people there that are people out there that are transgender— people out there that are transgender and are born male ant— transgender and are born male and self—identify— transgender and are born male and self—identify as a female. tnt— and self—identify as a female. tnt tney— and self—identify as a female. tnt tney inst— and self—identify as a female. but they just put— and self—identify as a female. but they just put some women's siotnes— but they just put some women's siotnes on— but they just put some women's siotnes on a— but they just put some women's clothes on a dress— but they just put some women's clothes on a dress and some natenp— clothes on a dress and some natenp ant— clothes on a dress and some makeup and say,— clothes on a dress and some makeup and say, i'm a woman and it's makeup and say, i'm a woman and its not.— makeup and say, i'm a woman and its not. von— makeup and say, i'm a woman and it's not. you have— makeup and say, i'm a woman and it's not. you have to— makeup and say, i'm a woman and it's not. you have to go through atreatnent— it's not. you have to go through a treatment .— it's not. you have to go through a treatment , go— it's not. you have to go through a treatment , go and see a treatment, go and see a psysnoiogist— a treatment, go and see a psysnoiogist .— a treatment, go and see a psychologist, psychological treatment.— psychologist, psychological treatment, go— psychologist, psychological treatment, go through your noone— treatment, go through your hormone therapy to make sure tnat— hormone therapy to make sure tnat yoe— hormone therapy to make sure that you're doing— hormone therapy to make sure that you're doing the right tning. — that you're doing the right tning. inat— that you're doing the right thing. that is— that you're doing the right thing. that is right for you. can— thing. that is right for you. can i— thing. that is right for you. can i ask.— thing. that is right for you. can i ask, are— thing. that is right for you. can i ask, are you- thing. that is right for you. can i ask, are you offended if people say woman says that people say if a woman says that a is not woman, a trans woman is not a woman, a trans a woman is a trans woman is a woman is a trans woman is a woman is a trans woman is a woman is a trans woman and a woman is a woman, that offensive to you? woman, is that offensive to you? it's very offensive. it very it's very offensive. it is very ottensive— it's very offensive. it is very offensive because i was just tite— offensive because i was just tite-otner. — offensive because i was just like-other. i— offensive because i was just like-other. ijust- offensive because i was just like other. i just can't get like any other. i just can't get pregnant— like any other. i just can't get pregnant .— like any other. i just can't get pregnant . rather— like any other. i just can't get pregnant . rather than that it like any other. i just can't get pregnant. rather than that it is all pregnant. rather than that it is at pretty— pregnant. rather than that it is at pretty nnsn— pregnant. rather than that it is all pretty much it's the same itentisai— all pretty much it's the same identical thing. _ all pretty much it's the same identical thing. i— all pretty much it's the same identical thing. i go to gynaecologist like most female toes.— gynaecologist like most female toes. ant— gynaecologist like most female does, and even— gynaecologist like most female does, and even the doctors, they san-t— does, and even the doctors, they san-t teii— does, and even the doctors, they san-t teii any— does, and even the doctors, they can't tell any difference . but can't tell any difference. but it is— can't tell any difference. but it is now— can't tell any difference. but it is now i— can't tell any difference. but it is how i feel— can't tell any difference. but it is how i feel .— can't tell any difference. but it is how i feel . it is my soul, it is how i feel. it is my soul, my— it is how i feel. it is my soul, rny train— it is how i feel. it is my soul, rny train. ny— it is how i feel. it is my soul, my brain, my mind , my skin, my my brain, my mind, my skin, my sneit— my brain, my mind, my skin, my sneii. i— my brain, my mind, my skin, my sneii. i an— my brain, my mind, my skin, my sneii. i an a— my brain, my mind, my skin, my smell. i am a woman from head to toe.— smell. i am a woman from head to toe. wot— smell. i am a woman from head to toe. wot oniy— smell. i am a woman from head to toe. not only because— smell. i am a woman from head to toe. not only because i look

teninine— toe. not only because i look feminine and— toe. not only because i look feminine and i— toe. not only because i look feminine and i did all the snregries— feminine and i did all the surgeries to— feminine and i did all the surgeries to have a female appearanse— surgeries to have a female appearance and- surgeries to have a female appearance and voluptuous , appearance and voluptuous, teantitni— appearance and voluptuous, beautiful female body. but that it is— beautiful female body. but that it is now— beautiful female body. but that it is now my— beautiful female body. but that it is how my brain— beautiful female body. but that it is how my brain processes it ant— it is how my brain processes it ant i— it is how my brain processes it and i wouldn't— it is how my brain processes it and i wouldn't say— it is how my brain processes it and i wouldn't say on my face ont— and i wouldn't say on my face ont ant— and i wouldn't say on my face out and about.— and i wouldn't say on my face out and about. and people they see out and about. and people they tney— out and about. and people they tney get— out and about. and people they see me, they get overwhelmed and tate— see me, they get overwhelmed and take pistnres— see me, they get overwhelmed and take pictures and— see me, they get overwhelmed and take pictures and give me lots of take pictures and give me lots ot iove— take pictures and give me lots ot iove. tnt— take pictures and give me lots ot iove. tnt i— take pictures and give me lots of love. but i get— take pictures and give me lots of love. but i get a lot of twins— of love. but i get a lot of bullies on— of love. but i get a lot of bullies on my— of love. but i get a lot of bullies on my social network. we bullies on my social network. we ati— bullies on my social network. we at get— bullies on my social network. we all get those. they- bullies on my social network. 35. they come bullies on my social network. �*vavi5 95. they come from we all get those. they come from me as wet. — we all get those. they come from me as well. most— we all get those. they come from me as well. most of— we all get those. they come from me as well. most of the- �*vavi5 95. they come from me as well. most of the bullies are me as well. most of the bullies astnaiiy— me as well. most of the bullies are actually biological, female . wett— are actually biological, female . well, listen,— are actually biological, female . well, listen, jessica,- are actually biological, female . well, listen, jessica, listen, i could talk to you forever, but people can follow you on your socials. jessica people can socials. jessica yes, people can toiiow— socials. jessica yes, people can toiiowlny— socials. jessica yes, people can follow-my instagram.- 5 jessica yes, people can follow my instagram. it is follow on my instagram. it is iessisa— follow on my instagram. it is jessica-thank- follow on my instagram. it is jessica thank you follow on my instagram. it isi jessica _thank you , jessica alves, uk. thank you, iessisa— jessica alves, uk. thank you, iessisa tor— jessica alves, uk. thank you, jessica, for coming in. 455-5 jessica, for coming in. i really appreciate— jessica, for coming in. i really appreciate that. good to talk to you. she you. that is jessica alves. she was conversation. was my difficult conversation. so think ? i mean, so what do you think? i mean, you know, we'd love all you know, we'd love to hear all your stay your thoughts as ever. stay tuned, on the tuned, though, because on the way, great way, it's time for the great british i'm british debate this hour. i'm asking, axe asking, should itv axe this morning ? itv said found no morning? itv said it found no evidence of the relationship between schofield and between phillip schofield and another during an another employee during an investigation in in 2020. now this comes as the tv presenter admitted to having a relationship with younger

relationship with a younger colleague. time to get colleague. so is it time to get rid of the show? all together and all over again

hello, good afternoon. welcome on board gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . it's just coming up to 28 akua. it's just coming up to 28 minutes after 5:00 and it's time now for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should itv axed this morning ?

should itv axed this morning? now it says that it's deeply disappointed by philip schofield's deceit after he admitted to an affair with a young man. this morning, colleague, now the veteran presenter has left the channel with a grovelling apology for the affair lying to itv . his the affair lying to itv. his agents who dropped him , the agents who dropped him, the media and therefore the public and his family pretty much everyone. philip stepped down from the show last week amid reports of a fallout with his co—star, holly willoughby . so is co—star, holly willoughby. so is this morning a sinking ship with one part of the presenting helm gone and one merely hanging on? can the showbiz steered back on course, or will schofield take the rest of the crew down with him ? i'm joined now by reem him? i'm joined now by reem ibrahim . she's a political ibrahim. she's a political commentator. sam dowler, journalist and broadcaster sarah lewis robertson , showbiz lewis robertson, showbiz journalist, and katie banks, showbiz journalist. as well. i'm going to start with you, katie banks.is going to start with you, katie banks. is this a sinking ship? the rats scuttering away now really fast, disassociating

themselves with him ? i think themselves with him? i think definitely not— themselves with him? i think definitely not nana.- themselves with him? i think definitely not nana. i- v“ 7 i think definitely not nana. i mean v“ v7 i think definitely not nana. i mean , definitely not nana. i mean, tnis— definitely not nana. i mean, we norning— definitely not nana. i mean, this morning is— definitely not nana. i mean, this morning is the longest rnnning— this morning is the longest running show— this morning is the longest running show on british tv in taytine— running show on british tv in taytine tine.— running show on british tv in daytime time. and they're not going— daytime time. and they're not going to— daytime time. and they're not going to want— daytime time. and they're not going to want to— daytime time. and they're not going to want to lose a brand tite— going to want to lose a brand iite tnat. — going to want to lose a brand like that. it's— going to want to lose a brand like that. it's hugely popular nee.— like that. it's hugely popular nere. tney— like that. it's hugely popular here. they did— like that. it's hugely popular here. they did a— like that. it's hugely popular here. they did a relaunch back in zoos.— here. they did a relaunch back in zoos. so— here. they did a relaunch back in zoos. so i— here. they did a relaunch back in 2009. so i think maybe the test— in 2009. so i think maybe the test way— in 2009. so i think maybe the test way ot— in 2009. so i think maybe the best way of getting over this sitnation— best way of getting over this sitnation is— best way of getting over this situation is maybe coming up witn— situation is maybe coming up wit a— situation is maybe coming up with a relaunch,— situation is maybe coming up with a relaunch, rebranding it a bitt— with a relaunch, rebranding it a up, ant— with a relaunch, rebranding it a up, ant tnen— with a relaunch, rebranding it a bit, and then people won't assosiate— bit, and then people won't associate it,— bit, and then people won't associate it, maybe with the twins— associate it, maybe with the philips schofield scandal. i think— philips schofield scandal. i ttint tney— philips schofield scandal. i think they need— philips schofield scandal. i think they need to - philips schofield scandal. i think they need to think very carefully what they're doing when holly comes back from houday when holly comes back from holiday well, we've got holiday rhiannon well, we've got to remember philip's been around and is the brand for the past 30 years. and we've seen over the past— years. and we've seen over the past-sinse— years. and we've seen over the past - since _the - past week since he left the nnters— past week since he left the nnters ot— past week since he left the numbers of the— past week since he left the numbers of the viewing numbers nave— numbers of the viewing numbers nave-stopped- numbers of the viewing numbers nave-dropped ty- have actually dropped by 170,000. — have actually dropped by 170,000. unfortunate , i 170,000. so unfortunate, i ttint— 170,000. so unfortunate, i app, as— 170,000. so unfortunate, i think, as phillip schofield has left think, as phillip schofield has iett tnis— think, as phillip schofield has left this morning, we'll have to go-nin. — left this morning, we'll have to go-nin. wett— left this morning, we'll have to go him. well, what go with him. well, what itv reaiiy— go with him. well, what itv reaiiy neet— go with him. well, what itv really need to— go with him. well, what itv really need to do is totally retrant— really need to do is totally rebrand their— really need to do is totally rebrand their breakfast show and astnaiiy— rebrand their breakfast show and astnaiiy-nave— rebrand their breakfast show and actually-have a- actually instead have a sonpieteiy— actually instead have a completely new show where they actually instead have a com hopefully w show where they actually instead have a com hopefully rebrand where they actually instead have a comhopefully rebrand and'e they can hopefully rebrand and totaiiy— can hopefully rebrand and totally - stuff - can hopefully rebrand and totally stuff behind totally put this stuff behind tnen — totally put this stuff behind tnen -peopie. - totally put this stuff behind tnen-peopie. i totally put this stuff behind. them _people. sarah them with new people. sarah ionisa— them with new people. sarah ioniss. wnat— them with new people. sarah louise, what do— them with new people. sarah louise, what do you think ? hi

louise, what do you think? hi there. i agree with your soiieagne— there. i agree with your colleague buster and yes , the colleague buster and yes, the wnoie— colleague buster and yes, the wnoie tning— colleague buster and yes, the whole thing is— colleague buster and yes, the whole thing is toxic. now, i've teen— whole thing is toxic. now, i've teen tott— whole thing is toxic. now, i've teen toit ty— whole thing is toxic. now, i've been told by my— whole thing is toxic. now, i've been told by my itv insider that tnere-s— been told by my itv insider that tnere-s a— been told by my itv insider that tnere-s a iot— been told by my itv insider that there's a lot of— been told by my itv insider that there's a lot of angry people at itv internally— there's a lot of angry people at itv internally ,_ there's a lot of angry people at itv internally , there's a lot of itv internally, there's a lot of gnestions— itv internally, there's a lot of questions being— itv internally, there's a lot of questions being asked . it's questions being asked. it's a toxis— questions being asked. it's a toxic environment and there's a lot toxic environment and there's a iot ot— toxic environment and there's a lot of distress— toxic environment and there's a lot of distress going on among the lot of distress going on among tne teats— lot of distress going on among tne teats ot— lot of distress going on among the heads of the— lot of distress going on among the heads of the channel i'll nave— the heads of the channel i'll nave known— the heads of the channel i'll have known about this and the tineiine— have known about this and the tineiine not— have known about this and the timeline not adding up as well. iney-ve— timeline not adding up as well. iney-ve aiso— timeline not adding up as well. they've also said— timeline not adding up as well. they've also said to me that tney— they've also said to me that tney want— they've also said to me that tney want to— they've also said to me that they want to see _ they've also said to me that they want to see an investigation go on into the snannei— investigation go on into the snannei as— investigation go on into the channel as to— investigation go on into the channel as to what has taken piase— channel as to what has taken piase ant— channel as to what has taken piase ant wny— channel as to what has taken place and why things have been overest— place and why things have been overet np— place and why things have been covered up there. _ place and why things have been covered up there. and they tnints— covered up there. and they tnints tney— covered up there. and they thinks they need to be a boycott of thinks they need to be a boycott ot tne— thinks they need to be a boycott ot tne snow. — thinks they need to be a boycott of the show. and— thinks they need to be a boycott of the show. and then the show witt— of the show. and then the show wiii te— of the show. and then the show will be rebranded_ of the show. and then the show will be rebranded with an entire tean — will be rebranded with an entire tean ot— will be rebranded with an entire new team of talent, maybe even you— new team of talent, maybe even yon on— new team of talent, maybe even yon on tneir— new team of talent, maybe even you on their nana— new team of talent, maybe even you on their nana the sofa. you on their nana on the sofa. so you on their nana on the sofa. so tney— you on their nana on the sofa. so they couldn't— you on their nana on the sofa. so they couldn't afford me, tariing. — so they couldn't afford me, darling. .couldn't- so they couldn't afford me,- darling. .couldn't afford darling. they couldn't afford me. want to go with me. i don't want to go down with that toxic. sam that ship. it's toxic. sam dowler you must be in oz. sam dowler you must be in oz. sam dowler from australia . i'm dowler from australia. i'm actually in los angeles now . actually in los angeles now. vana— actually in los angeles now. wana tn— actually in los angeles now. nana i'm fishing around. i'm on my way— nana i'm fishing around. i'm on my way .— nana i'm fishing around. i'm on my way . tn— nana i'm fishing around. i'm on my way . in on— nana i'm fishing around. i'm on my way . in on my— nana i'm fishing around. i'm on my way. i'm on my way back to yon. — my way. i'm on my way back to yon. on.— my way. i'm on my way back to yon. on. tnat-s— my way. i'm on my way back to you. oh, that's nice.- my way. i'm on my way back to you. oh, that's nice. so- my way. i'm on my way back to you. o“ v“ 5.5 my way. i'm on my way back to you. v“ 55 :5 you. oh, that's nice. so what do you. oh, that's nice. so what do

you if you've heard you think then, if you've heard the gossip, then you've heard what's on. has lied the gossip, then you've heard wipretty on. has lied the gossip, then you've heard wipretty oneverybodys lied the gossip, then you've heard wipretty oneverybody .lied the gossip, then you've heard wipretty oneverybody . what to pretty much everybody. what do well , i to pretty much everybody. what do well, i mean, do you think? well, i mean, iwe.— do you think? well, i mean, i-ve. — do you think? well, i mean, i've. i've met the guy in question. i've met him, like, three years ago. i've known about this story for a long time. and the thing is, um , time. and the thing is, um, phil's done nothing but deny . phil's done nothing but deny. deny it. so. so the people, the top brass at itv can can claim and say that they they didn't know. and it was just rumour and it was just this and, and the buck stops with phil and if he's the one saying no, look, nothing happened, then he's put, he's put them in jeopardy. he's put the big bosses at jeopardy. he's put the whole whole cast and put the whole the whole cast and crew of this morning in jeopardy. have jeopardy. and like i have friends it. i'm friends that work on it. i'm sure this panel has sure everybody on this panel has people this people that work on this morning. obviously want, morning. and we obviously want, you you know, our you know, our you know, our friends colleagues keep friends and colleagues to keep their whether it means their jobs, whether it means the pubuc their jobs, whether it means the public lost faith in this public have lost faith in this morning, like in a way, sort of like they did with x factor, when you suddenly when you start to feel like you're getting hoodwinked by the show, that you're want hoodwinked by the show, that yo watch want hoodwinked by the show, that yo watch it want hoodwinked by the show, that

yo watch it anymore. want hoodwinked by the show, that yo watch it anymore. so want hoodwinked by the show, that yo watch it anymore. so and ant to watch it anymore. so and that's the thing with this that's the whole thing with this morning. don't morning. i don't think i don't think sarah think i mean, i get what sarah louise about louise is saying about boycotting, boycotts don't boycotting, but boycotts don't really i mean, people really work. i mean, like people want sort of comfort want to see that sort of comfort viewing. but got of viewing. but they got rid of jeremy— viewing. but they got rid ofi jeremy—toot viewing. but they got rid ofi jeremy kyle _took . v“; but they got rid of jeremy kyle show took . v“; but they got rid of jeremy kyle show straight ok . v“; but they got rid of jeremy kyle show straight off. iney-re— jeremy kyle show straight off. iney-re gone.— jeremy kyle show straight off. they're gone. that's true. like tnt— they're gone. that's true. like tnt at— they're gone. that's true. like tnt at tte— they're gone. that's true. like but at the end— they're gone. that's true. like but at the end of— they're gone. that's true. like but at the end of the day like if people it rises and falls on the viewership and the advertisers and the advertisers and if and if people jump ship, then they will change it. well, katie seems think then they will change it. well, katie seems-think that- katie seems to think that tney-ii— katie seems to think that they'll-katie- katie seems to think that they'll katie you katie seems to think that- they'll-katie you said they'll be fine. katie you said i they'll be fine. katie you said i tnint— they'll be fine. katie you said i tnint tnis— they'll be fine. katie you said i think this morning is a bigger snow— i think this morning is a bigger snow tnan— i think this morning is a bigger show than phil— i think this morning is a bigger show than phil schofield , and show than phil schofield, and aitnongn— show than phil schofield, and aitnongn ne-s— show than phil schofield, and although he's been the latest presenter— although he's been the latest presenterialison_ although he's been the latest presenter alison dermot presenter, alison and dermot stit— presenter, alison and dermot stiii are— presenter, alison and dermot still are pulling— presenter, alison and dermot still are pulling in massive viewings— still are pulling in massive viewings only— still are pulling in massive viewings only last year they getting— viewings only last year they were getting their largest viewing— were getting their largest viewing ever— were getting their largest viewing ever at 1.4 million. viewing ever at1.4 million. ant— viewing ever at1.4 million. ant-tset— viewing ever at1.4 million. and-feel like- viewing ever at 1.4 million. and _feel like they're. and i just feel like they're still successful. they're still getting massive advertisers at the moment. they've got a ten week deal with them to that's because they've got nothing else to watch. they may have to watch. they may not have neart— to watch. they may not have neart atont— to watch. they may not have heard about gb— 5 v“ they may not have heard about gb news what about tney— heard about gb news what about tney-switsn— heard about gb news what about they-switch over- heard about gb news what about they switch over and they need to switch over and watsn— they need to switch over and watsn-ant— they need to switch over and watch and andrew or even watch bev and andrew or even tanonn— watch bev and andrew or even eamonn eamonn— watch bev and andrew or even eamonn eamonn is pretty good. i never see. what— eamonn eamonn is pretty good. i never see. what about what about

you never see. what about what about yon-tanonn— never see. what about what about you eamonn eamonn you then, eamonn eamonn is great.— you then, eamonn eamonn is great-tite- you then, eamonn eamonn is great. like, you've great. i mean, like, if you've seen—sips- great. i mean, like, if you've seen—clips of. great. i mean, like, if you'vei seen—clips of the seen some of the clips of the wings— seen some of the clips of the wings-saying.- seen some of the clips of the things saying, reem, things he's been saying, reem, wnat— things he's been saying, reem, wnat to— things he's been saying, reem, wnat to yon— things he's been saying, reem, what do you think? finally, i ttint— what do you think? finally, i think eamonn's fantastic. and what do you think? finally, i think look,nn's fantastic. and what do you think? finally, i think look,nn's f.whenic. and what do you think? finally, i think look,nn's f.when we'rei yeah, look, look, when we're looking comparisons yeah, look, look, when we're looking viewing mparisons yeah, look, look, when we're looking viewing numbers,i between viewing numbers, that 4 million was just a blip. it really it really does not really was. it really does not characterise the show characterise the entire show this phil and holly this morning. is phil and holly and without them unfortunately i think we're going to have to see the be scrapped. well, the show be scrapped. well, i don't know whether- 5: well, i don't know whether that's unfortunate _ don't know whether that's unfortunate or— don't know whether that's unfortunate or not. rhiannon itratin— ibrahim, thank you very much. toiitisai— ibrahim, thank you very much. ioitsai— ibrahim, thank you very much. iota ai— ibrahim, thank you very much. po la , journalist— ibrahim, thank you very much. po la , journalist and in la, journalist and broadcaster. back next broadcaster. he'll be back next week.— broadcaster. he'll be back next week. saran— broadcaster. he'll be back next week. sarah louise robertson. sne-s— week. sarah louise robertson. she'slshowbiz_ week. sarah louise robertson. she's showbiz journalist. she's a showbiz journalist. and tatie— she's a showbiz journalist. and katie _journalist katie banks, showbiz journalist as wet. — katie banks, showbiz journalist as well. thank— katie banks, showbiz journalist as well. thank you so for as well. thank you so much for ioining— as well. thank you so much for joining-afternoon.- joining me this afternoon. so tnat-s— joining me this afternoon. so that's-thoughts.- joining me this afternoon. so that's thoughts. what are that's their thoughts. what are yonrs— that's their thoughts. what are yours spokesperson for yours now? a spokesperson for iiv—wasl itv said the broadcaster was teepiy— itv said the broadcaster was deeply disappointed by the admissions— deeply disappointed by the admissions deceit made by admissions of deceit made by tniiiip— admissions of deceit made by phillip-phillip- admissions of deceit made by phillip phillip has phillip schofield. phillip has admitted— phillip schofield. phillip has admitted-an- phillip schofield. phillip has. admitted-an-with admitted having an affair with a nnsn— admitted having an affair with a rnnsrnann-— admitted having an affair with a rnnsrnann- . so- admitted having an affair with a much man , 30 years much younger man, 30 years yonnges— much younger man, 30 years younger,-worked- much younger man, 30 years younger, worked with him on younger, who worked with him on this younger, who worked with him on we morning— younger, who worked with him on this morning and— younger, who worked with him on this morning and who he first met— this morning and who he first net as— this morning and who he first net as a— this morning and who he first met as a teenager. he said he's teepiy— met as a teenager. he said he's teepiy sorry— met as a teenager. he said he's teepiy sorry tor— met as a teenager. he said he's deeply sorry for having lied to his deeply sorry for having lied to nis-ant— deeply sorry for having lied to nis-ant iiv— deeply sorry for having lied to his-and itv about- his wife and itv about his relationship— his wife and itv about his relationship calling unwise his wife and itv about his relanotship calling unwise his wife and itv about his relanotillegalalling unwise his wife and itv about his rela not illegal ..ling unwise his wife and itv about his rela not illegal. he's unwise his wife and itv about his rela not illegal. he's resigned but not illegal. he's resigned tron— but not illegal. he's resigned tron iiv— but not illegal. he's resigned from itv over— but not illegal. he's resigned from itv over the— but not illegal. he's resigned from itv over the lies . et from itv over the lies. et setera— from itv over the lies. et setera ti— from itv over the lies. et cetera. et cetera. right so if you— cetera. et cetera. right so if

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about the affair. lying to itv, iying to— about the affair. lying to itv, iying to nis— about the affair. lying to itv, lying to his agents. i think he iiet— lying to his agents. i think he tied to— lying to his agents. i think he tied to nis— lying to his agents. i think he lied to his lawyers . he's lied to his lawyers. he's tasisaiiy— lied to his lawyers. he's basically lied- lied to his lawyers. he's basically lied to everyone . basically lied to everyone. otvionsiy— basically lied to everyone. obviously, the _ basically lied to everyone. obviously, the agent has dropped tin.— obviously, the agent has dropped nin. ine— obviously, the agent has dropped him. the media— obviously, the agent has dropped him. the media and therefore the pntiis— him. the media and therefore the pntiis arent— him. the media and therefore the public aren't happy because he's lied public aren't happy because he's tied to— public aren't happy because he's iiet toitnt— public aren't happy because he's lied to .and .course, - public aren't happy because he's lied to and course, he's lied to us. and of course, he's iiet— lied to us. and of course, he's iiet-taniiy— lied to us. and of course, he's iiet-taniiy .— lied to us. and of course, he's lied-family. he- lied to us. and of course, he's lied family. he described lied to his family. he described the lied to his family. he described tne—nnwisel lied to his family. he described the—unwise, but| the relationship as unwise, but not-saying— the relationship as unwise, but not-saying-whilstl not illegal, saying that whilst he not illegal, saying that whilst ne net— not illegal, saying that whilst ne net tne— not illegal, saying that whilst he met the man— not illegal, saying that whilst he met the man when he was a teenager.— he met the man when he was a teenager-onw— he met the man when he was a teenager,-only-hel teenager, it was only after he started— teenager, it was only after he started to— teenager, it was only after he started to work— teenager, it was only after he started to work on the show that it tea — started to work on the show that it became more— started to work on the show that it became more than just a trientsnip. — it became more than just a friendship. philip stepped down tron— friendship. philip stepped down tron-snow— friendship. philip stepped down from-show last— friendship. philip stepped down from show last week, stepped from the show last week, stepped town— from the show last week, stepped townlspeesn— from the show last week, stepped down-speech marks— from the show last week, stepped down speech marks because down in speech marks because i ton-t— down in speech marks because i ton-t tnint— down in speech marks because i ton-t tnint ne— down in speech marks because i don't think he would have stepped— don't think he would havej stepped—hadn't don't think he would have- stepped_hadn't been stepped down if he hadn't been pnsnet— stepped down if he hadn't been pnsnet anit— stepped down if he hadn't been pushed amid reports of the taiiont— fallout with his co—star holly wiiiongnty.— willoughby, the pair's reputation— willoughby, the pair's. reputation _to willoughby, the pair's- reputation _to get reputation has failed to get tast— reputation has failed to get task to— reputation has failed to get task to tne— reputation has failed to get back to the peak of its pedestal inse— back to the peak of its pedestal teing— back to the peak of its pedestal since being wrapped up wrapped up since being wrapped up wrapped np in— since being wrapped up wrapped np in yon— since being wrapped up wrapped up in you remember that last year— up in you remember that last year wnen— up in you remember that last year wnen tney— up in you remember that last year when they were accused of jumping— year when they were accused of innping tne— year when they were accused of jumping the queue? well, i think tney—gnene.- jumping the queue? well, i think tney—gnene. tntl they did jump the queue. but even—tneyl they did jump the queue. but. even _they didn't even though they say they didn't tnring— even though they say they didn't owing—tying- even though they say they didn't tnring—iying in- during the queen's lying in state.— during the queen's lying in state. so— during the queen's lying in state, so .this_ state, so is this morning a sinking— state, so is this morning a sinting snip— state, so is this morning a sinking ship with one part of the presenting— sinking ship with one part of the presenting team gone and one nereiy— the presenting team gone and one nereiy sinpiy— the presenting team gone and one merely simply hanging on? can the merely simply hanging on? can tne snow— merely simply hanging on? can tne snow te— merely simply hanging on? can the show be steered back on course or will— the show be steered back on course or will schofield take tne— course or will schofield take tne rest— course or will schofield take tne rest ot— course or will schofield take the rest of the— course or will schofield take the rest of the crew down with nine— the rest of the crew down with nine-tite— the rest of the crew down with nine-iwe ny- the rest of the crew down with

him? like my little puns him? do you like my little puns on on toats— him? do you like my little puns on on toats e— him? do you like my little puns on on boats ? no,— him? do you like my little puns on on boats ? no, i— him? do you like my little puns on on boats ? no, i haven't got on on boats? no, i haven't got to-sinting— on on boats? no, i haven't got to-sinting snip— on on boats? no, i haven't got to sinking ship yet, but to the sinking ship yet, but i witt— to the sinking ship yet, but i wiii to.— to the sinking ship yet, but i will do. let's— to the sinking ship yet, but i will do. let's see— to the sinking ship yet, but i will do. let's see what my panel aert— will do. let's see what my panel makers—ty- makers said. i'm joined by troatsast— broadcast from columnist lizzie snnty— broadcast from columnist lizzie snnty-st— broadcast from columnist lizzie snnty-st wews— broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy gb news senior cundy and gb news senior poiitisai— cundy and gb news senior political commentator nigel weison.— political commentator nigel weison. tn— political commentator nigel nelson. i'm going to start with you,— nelson. i'm going to start with yon-ts— nelson. i'm going to start with yon-as yon— nelson. i'm going to start with you,-as you know,- nelson. i'm going to start with you, as you know, you've you, lizzie. as you know, you've teen— you, lizzie. as you know, you've teen on— you, lizzie. as you know, you've teen on tnere— you, lizzie. as you know, you've been on there this— you, lizzie. as you know, you've been on there this you been on there this morning. you know—to- been on there this morning. you know—to .- been on there this morning. youj know—to . ant been on there this morning. you. know—to . ant i know them all. yes, i do. and i and love the show. and and i love the show. and i really hope can continue really hope it can continue going. i think they need to reboot it and they can get this back. but obviously , they just back. but obviously, they just need to maybe have new presenters. i mean, i love alison hammond . she's a friend alison hammond. she's a friend of mine and i think they can make it work . they just need to make it work. they just need to just reboot the show and hopefully it won't be tarnished with all what's going on with philip. i'll take the first two ietters— philip. i'll take the first two ietters ont— philip. i'll take the first two letters out there. _ - i'll take the first two letters out there. boot the show ont. — letters out there. boot the show ont. wan.— letters out there. boot the show ont. vsat. inn— letters out there. boot the show out. yeah, i'm on— letters out there. boot the show out. yeah, i'm on that- letters out there. boot the show out. 4 v“ v5“ :5 out. yeah, i'm on that side. yeah, i mean, i would i would scrap it, but keep the formula. i think that the formula works really well . the idea of doing really well. the idea of doing some serious interviews is some human interest stories, some celebrities, some trivia, all

that kind of work. so the formula i mean, when i was when iused formula i mean, when i was when i used to do the show myself, i used to be really impressed with the although often the mixture, although often i get celebrities confused get the celebrities confused with the human interest people. it bit embarrassing in the it was a bit embarrassing in the green but i think that green room, but i think that formula that of the formula for that part of the morning. keep it. but no, morning. yes, keep it. but no, the show has to go call it something different. something else. yeah. find some different people way. it's such people do it that way. it's such a known people do it that way. it's such a-tnown narne— people do it that way. it's such a-known name. it's- people do it that way. it's such a-known name. it'sithinkj a well known name. it's i think tnat-s— a well known name. it's i think that's-problem. - a well known name. it's i think that's problem. v5: that's the problem. the dodi tting. tnt— that's the problem. the dodi thing. but-can- that's the problem. the dodi. thing. but-can-it. thing. but they can rebrand it. t hey— thing. but they can rebrand it. they—presenters. they can get new presenters tesse— they can get new presenters tesanselyon— they can get new presenters because you said, the crux of because as you said, the crux of tne— because as you said, the crux of tne aw,— because as you said, the crux of tne aw, tne— because as you said, the crux of the show, the concept of the snow—ant - the show, the concept of the show _and it's . show is fabulous. and it's wortet— show is fabulous. and it's worked-years- show is fabulous. and it's worked years and years. and worked for years and years. and yeas.— worked for years and years. and yea. its— worked for years and years. and yeas. it-s won— worked for years and years. and years. it's won awards, nta awarst— years. it's won awards, nta awardsibaftas. - years. it's won awards, nta awards baftas. got it. awards, baftas. it has got it. tnt— awards, baftas. it has got it. tnt ton-t— awards, baftas. it has got it. tnt ton-t tney— awards, baftas. it has got it. but don't they do it just snangee — but don't they do it just change? but- but don't they do it just change? 55v“ . :5 change? but can't they do something else? i mean, like, you know, i would think that, you know, i would think that, you know, i would think that, you know, with all that this is a chance for them to come up with some ideas. does with some other ideas. why does it be the same old, same it have to be the same old, same old thing other the main old thing and the other the main criticism of itv is criticism i'd have of itv is that they they do keep regurgitating the exact same people the time . so like people all the time. so like you've dancing ice, you've got dancing on ice, the

same people, you've got same two people, then you've got ant fine. they're ant and dec. fine. they're great. dancing on ice won't be the same— great. dancing on ice won't be the .— great. dancing on ice won't be the , hut— great. dancing on ice won't be the same , but it's— ghz;5. dancing on ice won't be the same , but it's all the the same, but it's all about the tethee. — the same, but it's all about the tethee. _tut— the same, but it's all about the ratings. _butlliterallyl ratings. but it but it literally waits bad to waits for something bad to happen they ever give happen before they ever give anybody an opportunity. and i think was, you know, anybody an opportunity. and i thirthe was, you know, anybody an opportunity. and i thirthe years was, you know, anybody an opportunity. and i thirthe years i'm as, you know, anybody an opportunity. and i thirthe years i'm not'ou know, anybody an opportunity. and i thirthe years i'm not bitterow, anybody an opportunity. and i thirthe years i'm not bitter but all the years i'm not bitter but all the years i'm not bitter but all the years i'm not bitter but all the years i knocked on that flaming door and they weren't they weren't prepared to open it because they do allow for because they do not allow for any. i think it's too much of a big they've got all big risk because they've got all these only these advertisers. they only want already want people who are already known. think they have known. and i think they have changed presenters before. look, john look, they've changed john teetey— look, they've changed john lesley - britain. - look, they've changed john lesley britain. kathi“ lesley from britain. well, teeth— lesley from britain. well, teeth. you-te— lesley from britain. well, again, you're listening to people. was through again, you're listening to ptscandal was through again, you're listening to ptscandal that was through again, you're listening to ptscandal that he was through again, you're listening to ptscandal that he had|s through again, you're listening to ptscandal that he had to :hrough again, you're listening to ptscandal that he had to go,jgh a scandal that he had to go, which is why enfield , by the which is why enfield, by the way. but which is why way. yeah, but which is why phillip was there. way. yeah, but which is why philliwouldn't was there. way. yeah, but which is why philliwouldn't have s there. way. yeah, but which is why philliwouldn't have s therit they wouldn't have done it otherwise. i think otherwise. yeah but i do think it's winning and it's a win winning formula and i think still has legs. i think think it still has legs. i think it can go on. they— think it still has legs. i think it can go on. they just- c cc g i think it can go on. they just need to revamp— it can go on. they just need to revamp tt— it can go on. they just need to revamp tt tht— it can go on. they just need to revamp it and i— it can go on. they just need to revamp it and i think it can wett- — revamp it and i think it can wett- tte— revamp it and i think it can work. it's all— revamp it and i think it can work. it's all about the tethee— work. it's all about the tethge, ety— work. it's all about the ratings, guy andrews said eettteh — ratings, guy andrews said earlier. it's— ratings, guy andrews said earlier. it's about the ratings. that-e— earlier. it's about the ratings. thet-e—tel earlier. it's about the ratings.. that-e—te they earlier. it's about the ratings.. the the—to they earlier. it's about the ratings.. tha rid of?_do they earlier. it's about the ratings. tha ” t: 5:07 : 55» earlier. it's about the ratings. tha ” t: 5:07 : get rid of? everybody that's there start getting there now and start getting completely fresh? because that's whet—tee - completely fresh? because that's whet—tee forl what that's what i would go for , eelett— what that's what i would go for eelettlthem— what that's what i would go for , aslalllthem. - what that's what i would go for , aslalllthem. so- , as in all of them. so like, i .— , as in all of them. so like, i

mean, i them they all mean, i like them all. they all seem get rid of seem nice. but get rid of dermot. rid of alison, get dermot. get rid of alison, get rid of those names and just rid of all those names and just give people give new give new people a chance who works. i chance and see who works. i mean, soon by the mean, you'll soon see by the eetteheee— mean, you'll soon see by the audiences,_|sn't| mean, you'll soon see by the. audiences,_|sn't it audiences, won't you? isn't it the— audiences, won't you? isn't it the-tt— audiences, won't you? isn't it time it literally refreshed time that it literally refreshed itself can see when itself and you can see when phillip stopped presenting and when alison went on, the ratings went up. she she's a winner. and heehte— went up. she she's a winner. and peepte the— went up. she she's a winner. and people like watching— c. she she's a winner. and people like watching her. st~tu5yt people like watching her. maybe they-the— people like watching her. maybe they-the hm.— people like watching her. maybe they like him, though . they didn't like him, though. possibly. but it will all be eheet— possibly. but it will all be eheet the— possibly. but it will all be about the ratings that will be the crux— about the ratings that will be the et— about the ratings that will be the crux of this— about the ratings that will be the crux of this show, whether it the crux of this show, whether tt—tt— the crux of this show, whether it _ if somebody l the crux of this show, whether. it_if somebody else it lasts, maybe if somebody else eemetetety— it lasts, maybe if somebody else eemetetety-ee- completely different as well gees— completely different as well eeeelwtth— completely different as well goes with alison, they'll goes on with alison, they'll ptehehty— probably the ratings might go —eehyee- probably the ratings might go even _you know,| probably the ratings might go. even _you know, like even higher. but you know, like it's well with it's all very well staying with the as if it ain't the same thing as if it ain't broke, it. but this is broke, don't fix it. but this is broken. so i would start broken. so i would say start again. find again. see if you can find something way interesting, something way more interesting, engaging new engaging and start with new people. esther people. yeah i think esther mcvey gb mcvey this morning on gb news was that it's a bit like was saying that it's a bit like the news of world that what the news of the world that what happened there was that the product broken product itself was broken because hacking scandal. because of the hacking scandal. it reinvented itself as the sun on sehtey— it reinvented itself as the sun on sunday, which— it reinvented itself as the sun on sunday, which worked. txeetty. — on sunday, which worked. txeetty. tte— on sunday, which worked. exactly. it's all— on sunday, which worked. exactly. it's all going- on sunday, which worked. exactly. it's all going to be about the ratings. who's watching show is the ratings

watching the show is the ratings plummet get turned plummet and people get turned off. they'll have to change the show another format. i show and do another format. i think people are probably- think people are probably sick of think people are probably sick et tt— think people are probably sick et tt ehywey— think people are probably sick of it anyway, and— think people are probably sick of it anyway, and i think i was etch— of it anyway, and i think i was etch-eeme— of it anyway, and i think i was sick-same people- of it anyway, and i think i was sick same people the sick of the same people all the the.— sick of the same people all the the-teet— sick of the same people all the the-test yoe— sick of the same people all the time. just you know, time. it's just you know, i thht— time. it's just you know, i thht thet— time. it's just you know, i think that-nice- time. it's just you know, i think that nice have think that it's nice to have a vehety. — think that it's nice to have a vehety. tte— think that it's nice to have a variety. it's always important. het— variety. it's always important. hut-the— variety. it's always important. but-this show- variety. it's always important. but-this show is- but as ever, this show is hethhe— but as ever, this show is hethhe-yee- but as ever, this show is nothing you and but as ever, this show is- nothing-you and your but as ever, this show is nothintlet's you and your but as ever, this show is nothintlet's welcomeind your but as ever, this show is nothintlet's welcome ouryour but as ever, this show is nothintlet's welcome our great views. let's welcome our great hhtteh— british voices, their opportunity be on british voices, their opportunity-be on show british voices, their opp

thee teet— dermot, alison, all that and then just rename it something eteee— then just rename it something else? because— then just rename it something else? because i'm saying exit eet—ttzzte- else? because i'm saying exit and—lizzie says,l and start again. lizzie says, k99p_ and start again. lizzie says, keep ht.— and start again. lizzie says, keep tt. she-e— and start again. lizzie says, keep it. she's saying it's a greet— keep it. she's saying it's a greet trend.— keep it. she's saying it's a great brand. do— keep it. she's saying it's a great brand. do you agree with all great brand. do you agree with ett-se— great brand. do you agree with ett-se whet— great brand. do you agree with all-so what do- great brand. do you agree with all so what do you mean all of us? so what do you mean get— all of us? so what do you mean eet-axe— all of us? so what do you mean eet-axe tte— all of us? so what do you mean eet-axe he he- all of us? so what do you mean get-axe it? no no,- get rid of it? axe it? no no, keep— get rid of it? axe it? no no, keep tt. — get rid of it? axe it? no no, keep tt. ks— get rid of it? axe it? no no, keep it. as lizzie- get rid of it? axe it? no no, keep it. t: get rid of it? axe it? no no, keep it. 5; 5 keep keep it. as lizzie said. keep it. keep it. as lizzie said. keep tt. keep— keep it. as lizzie said. keep tt. keep ht.— keep it. as lizzie said. keep tt. keep tt. att— keep it. as lizzie said. keep it. keep it. all right,- keep it. 5; 5 keep it. keep it. all right, let's move on. let's- it. keep it. all right, let's move on. let's go to jacqui sehpeeh— move on. let's go to jacqui sehpeeh .— move on. let's go to jacqui sampson . she's- move on. let's go to jacqui sampson . she's there in saint sampson. she's there in saint athens.— sampson. she's there in saint albans. jacqui _ sampson. she's there in saint albans. jacqui \55 albans. jacqui hello, nana. i think that whilst it's not past its use by date, it's definitely getting past its sell by date. it's best before, i think, the magazine format has got tired . i magazine format has got tired. i think it's something we all want to watch in the mornings, but i think it's gone on too long. it needs to start all over again and i certainly feel that the stench of scandal brings down people in business world. we've seen it with people mentioned john lesley. so whether they're guilty or innocent, i think it just corrodes everybody around them. and i think the only way is to basically spring clean and start again, have new people , start again, have new people, have you have me would you would you call it something else or would you maybe instead of this

morning, it'd be that morning, morning. morning morning, it'd be that morning, morning . morning . me let's go to morning. morning. me let's go to lee. lee webb. he's there in bedford lee, what do you think ? bedford lee, what do you think? i think the formula can work. hveve— i think the formula can work. however we've— i think the formula can work. however we've seen alison hehheht— however we've seen alison hehheht .— however we've seen alison hammond . we've seen dermot hammond. we've seen dermot o-teety— hammond. we've seen dermot o'leary malaria.— hammond. we've seen dermot o'leary malaria. they probably it o'leary malaria. they probably tt sett— o'leary malaria. they probably tt eevt et— o'leary malaria. they probably it sort of like— o'leary malaria. they probably it sort of like last— o'leary malaria. they probably it sort of like last week and how— it sort of like last week and how the— it sort of like last week and how the news— it sort of like last week and how the news has changed within a how the news has changed within e tee— how the news has changed within e tev eeye— how the news has changed within e tev teye .— how the news has changed within e tev eeye . uh,— how the news has changed within e tev eeye . uh, .— how the news has changed within a few days. um, i think the peevehhe-ee— a few days. um, i think the programme's tainted it. i think a programme's tainted it. i think e tet— programme's tainted it. i think e tet et— programme's tainted it. i think a lot of staff— programme's tainted it. i think a lot of staff are— programme's tainted it. i think a lot of staff are going to ptehehty— a lot of staff are going to probably need— a lot of staff are going to probably need changing. um eevtehty— probably need changing. um eevtehty the— probably need changing. um certainly the presenters are heeeeee— certainly the presenters are because there's— certainly the presenters are because there's presenters that supported— because there's presenters that eeppevtet thtttp— because there's presenters that supported philip last week. um mav— supported philip last week. um hey het— supported philip last week. um hey het vvteh— supported philip last week. um may not wish they had had eeppevt— may not wish they had had eeppevt tet— may not wish they had had support for last— may not wish they had had support for last week . next week support for last week. next week it's support for last week. next week he heppehhe— support for last week. next week it's happening and— support for last week. next week it's happening and even some of the neve— it's happening and even some of the news channels— it's happening and even some of the news channels now they're the news channels now they're the story— the news channels now they're the story he— the news channels now they're the story is changing pretty teet— the story is changing pretty teet eht— the story is changing pretty teet eht .— the story is changing pretty fast and i think— the story is changing pretty fast and i think they're drip teethe— fast and i think they're drip teethe ee— fast and i think they're drip feeding us for— fast and i think they're drip feeding us for more news tomorrow. so— feeding us for more news tomorrow. so it- feeding us for more news tomorrow. so it could even ehehee— tomorrow. so it could even change tomorrow. so i think the vvhete— change tomorrow. so i think the whole formula— change tomorrow. so i think the whole formula yet— change tomorrow. so i think the whole formula yet keep it. but i tth— whole formula yet keep it. but i tth they-ve— whole formula yet keep it. but i think they're going to have to ehehee— think they're going to have to ehehee the— think they're going to have to change the staff— think they're going to have to change the staff and the whole

the vhete— change the staff and the whole the whole programme. they've got to get— the whole programme. they've got to get ht— the whole programme. they've got to get ht et— the whole programme. they've got to get ht et ht.— the whole programme. they've got to get rid of it. probably get rid to get rid of it. probably get ht et— to get rid of it. probably get ht et tt. — to get rid of it. probably get rid of it. get— to get rid of it. probably get rid of it. get rid- to get rid of it. probably get rid of it. get rid of- to get rid of it. probably get rid of it. (it; v: e rid of it. get rid of it. i'm looking forward to the daily bell tomorrow. i'm just going to be bell tomorrow. i'm just going to he-evey— bell tomorrow. i'm just going to he-evey heh — bell tomorrow. i'm just going to be-away from the- bell tomorrow. i'm just going to be-away from the show.| be coming away from the show. keeh— be coming away from the show. keeh keeh. — be coming away from the show. yeah yeah. t: cc yeah yeah. advertisers will be pulling away. i mean, seriously. thank you very much. my brilliant voices, especially in milton saint milton keynes, jackie in saint albans bedford. thank albans and lee in bedford. thank you to talk to you you so much. good to talk to you guys. right. let's move to another eye another story that caught my eye today. on today. instances of violence on aeroplanes to drunk aeroplanes linked to drunk passengers the passengers have increased in the past according to past few years. according to reports airlines, there reports from uk airlines, there are there were nearly triple the amount disruptive behaviour amount of disruptive behaviour cases in 2022 when compared to 2019. so should airlines ban booze? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by lizzie cundy and also nigel nelson . nigel, so should it be nelson. nigel, so should it be banned , lizzie, at that point banned, lizzie, at that point asking you point asking her question. i asking you point asking her question . i don't drink, but question. i don't drink, but i veetth-t— question. i don't drink, but i wouldn't ban— question. i don't drink, but i wouldn't ban it— : i don't drink, but i wouldn't ban it either. no, it eheetth-t— wouldn't ban it either. no, it shouldn't be— wouldn't ban it either. no, it shouldn't be banned. you don't tthe— shouldn't be banned. you don't tthe n0,— shouldn't be banned. you don't tthe n0, .— shouldn't be banned. you don't drink? no, i don't— shouldn't be banned. you don't drink? no, i don't know. no, i heveh-t— drink? no, i don't know. no, i haven't-nearly- haven't drunk for nearly 20 yeeh— haven't drunk for nearly 20 yeeh-vvhy— haven't drunk for nearly 20 yeeh-vvhy te- haven't drunk for nearly 20 years why is there some years now. why is there some tt— years now. why is there some tt ve— years now. why is there some reason it was a— years now. why is there some reason it was a health thing? keeh— reason it was a health thing? keeh .— reason it was a health thing? yeah i drank— reason it was a health thing? yeah i drank too— reason it was a health thing? yeah i drank too much. see yeah i drank too much. i see one of yeah i drank too much. i see one et-keeh— yeah i drank too much. i see one et-keeh thet-e— yeah i drank too much. i see one of-yeah, that's-so. of them. yeah, that's right. so i of them. yeah, that's right. so t ten-t— of them. yeah, that's right. so t teh-t tth— of them. yeah, that's right. so i don't drink at— of them. yeah, that's right. so i don't drink at all now. i'd

teet— i don't drink at all now. i'd teet greet. — i don't drink at all now. i'd feel great. you're very eehethte— feel great. you're very sensible,-. . feel great. you're very sensible,-. ii feel great. you're very- sensible,-. i think feel great. you're very— sensible,-. i think that's sensible, though. i think that's very sensible. butistill- sensible, though. i think that's very sensible. butistill .- very sensible. but i still. peeptte— very sensible. but i still. despite that,— very sensible. but i still. despite that, i- 53 but i still. despite that, i don't think that you— despite that, i don't think that you eheett— despite that, i don't think that you should ban— despite that, i don't think that you should ban it— despite that, i don't think that you should ban it aeroplanes you should ban it on aeroplanes is you should ban it on aeroplanes te-yee— you should ban it on aeroplanes te-yee eheett— you should ban it on aeroplanes is-you should do- you should ban it on aeroplanes is-you should do is- you should ban it on aeroplanes is you should do is police is what you should do is police it is what you should do is police tt—heheht- it better. at the moment tttteveht— different airlines have different— different airlines have - different-answer different rules. the answer is they— different rules. the answer is they eheett— different rules. the answer is they should get— different rules. the answer is they should get together, have a kht— they should get together, have a khtlyettevv— they should get together, have a kind .yellow card _ they should get together, have a kind yellow card system if kind of yellow card system if you— kind of yellow card system if yep-tt— kind of yellow card system if you if passengers you like. so if passengers misbehave_ you like. so if passengers misbehave once it's three ethkee— misbehave once it's three strikes, every— misbehave once it's three strikes, every airline says you eeh-t— strikes, every airline says you eeh-t tty— strikes, every airline says you eeh-t tty ter— strikes, every airline says you eeh-t tty tee e— strikes, every airline says you can't fly for a year. that's heht. — can't fly for a year. that's heht. veh— can't fly for a year. that's right. yeah. let's- can't fly for a year. that's right. “55" �*fvt�*55. can't fly for a year. that's- right. yeah. let's see. what do you think, bannau at the airport ? i'm like, where's the bar? tte— ? i'm like, where's the bar? he the— ? i'm like, where's the bar? it's the whole— ? i'm like, where's the bar? it's the whole joy- 7’ i'm like, where's the bar? it's the whole joy of going evey. — it's the whole joy of going evey. veeh— it's the whole joy of going away. yeah and- it's the whole joy of going away. yeah and i remember once tethe— away. yeah and i remember once hehe eet— away. yeah and i remember once hehe eet et— away. yeah and i remember once being out at the— away. yeah and i remember once being out at the bar at heathrow and being out at the bar at heathrow end they— being out at the bar at heathrow end they vee— being out at the bar at heathrow and they were like,— being out at the bar at heathrow and they were like, mrs. gandhi, we and they were like, mrs. gandhi, ve eth— and they were like, mrs. gandhi, ve ett ttteht— and they were like, mrs. gandhi, we all flight is— and they were like, mrs. gandhi, we all flight is about to take eh. — we all flight is about to take eh. .— we all flight is about to take eh. t vve— we all flight is about to take off. i was ordering another they— off. i was ordering another they, put— off. i was ordering another they, put th— off. i was ordering another mary, but i'm scared of flying, so mary, but i'm scared of flying, ee .— mary, but i'm scared of flying, ee t teet— mary, but i'm scared of flying, ee t teet e— mary, but i'm scared of flying, so i feel a drink— mary, but i'm scared of flying, so i feel a drink helps calm my heetv— so i feel a drink helps calm my heetv te— so i feel a drink helps calm my heetv to he— so i feel a drink helps calm my nerves, to be honest. and i tth— nerves, to be honest. and i tth tte— nerves, to be honest. and i think it's very— nerves, to be honest. and i think it's very sad. i don't the— think it's very sad. i don't like banning— think it's very sad. i don't like banning anything . i'm like banning anything. i'm eeehet— like banning anything. i'm against banning things . yeah. against banning things. yeah. no, against banning things. yeah. n0, .— against banning things. yeah. n0, t ten-t— against banning things. yeah. no, i don't think— against banning things. yeah. no, i don't think you're responsible— no, i don't think you're responsible for yourself . “55" responsible for yourself. yeah, ent— responsible for yourself. yeah, ent .— responsible for yourself. yeah, ent t putte— responsible for yourself. yeah, and i quite-just- responsible for yourself. yeah, and i quite just drink and i quite like just one drink before plane or i before you get on the plane or i or 2 get on. but there are some people who, when they start drinking mr pierce, you

people who, when they start drinkiwant mr pierce, you people who, when they start drinkiwant them mr pierce, you people who, when they start drinkiwant them mr pie flight.i don't want them on the flight. so they're the so there is. and they're the thee-teet- so there is. and they're the ones-deal with. i ones you must deal with. they-te— ones you must deal with. they-te-ehes- ones you must deal with. they're-ones you- ones you must deal with. - they're-ones you .thrown they're the ones you get thrown off. enjoy own. off. yeah. don't enjoy our own. why should we all be punished for the people can't for the people who can't help themselves? right, for the people who can't help then me.es? right, for the people who can't help thenme. it's right, for the people who can't help thenme. it's timet, for the people who can't help then me. it's time for our quick with me. it's time for our quick eute— with me. it's time for our quick truth—shew- quiz. that's part of the show where— quiz. that's part of the show vhevelteet— quiz. that's part of the show whereitest-panel- quiz. that's part of the show where test panel on quiz. that's part of the show whereitest-panel on of where i test my panel on some of the-etehee— where i test my panel on some of the-stories hitting- where i test my panel on some of the stories hitting the the other stories hitting the heetthee— headlines right now. please play etehe—tehet- headlines right now. please play etehe—tehet hyl along at home. i'm joined by theteeete— broadcasts from columnist lizzie cehty. — broadcasts from columnist lizzie cehty. _yeev— broadcasts from columnist lizzie cundy. your buzzer, cundy. lizzie your buzzer, pteeee— cundy. lizzie your buzzer, pteeee .— cundy. lizzie your buzzer, pteeee . ahe— cundy. lizzie your buzzer, please . and also gb news senior please. and also gb news senior petttteet— please. and also gb news senior political commentator nigel teeth.— political commentator nigel nelson—puzzle. nelson. nigel, your puzzle pezzte. — nelson. nigel, your puzzle pezzte. tty— nelson. nigel, your puzzle puzzle. t~t3 that's my puzzle. my puzzle. that's my punte— puzzle. my puzzle. that's my pezzte. — puzzle. my puzzle. that's my pezzte. att— puzzle. my puzzle. that's my puzzle . all right,— puzzle. my puzzle. that's my puzzle . all right, you- puzzle. my puzzle. that's my puzzle . all right, you ready? puzzle. all right, you ready? right. question one this week there was a large gathering of men sharing the same name, but what was that? what was the name? was it kyle, daniel or peter ? lizzie. i'm going to say peter? lizzie. i'm going to say kyte— peter? lizzie. i'm going to say kyte. — peter? lizzie. i'm going to say kyte. vere-e— peter? lizzie. i'm going to say kyle . you're going- peter? lizzie. i'm going to say kyle . you're going to- 3h5;.5;”7’ lizzie. i'm going to say kyle . 45:5. 35 g peter? lizzie. i'm going to say kyle . you're going to say kyle. kyle. you're going to say kyle. peter no, you go first. buzzer peter, let's see if you're right. the answer is. kyle yes. five, 500 people. kyle travelled to texas to, to a city called kyle. kyle right, like jeremy. kyle. kyle right, like jeremy. kyle yes, right. question two an article in the daily mail has revealed how many kilograms of chips the average uk resident

consumes annually , but how many consumes annually, but how many kilos was it the closest kilos was was it the closest answer wins. press your buzzers , like you know , please. sounds like you know the. —okey- , please. sounds like you know this. _okay lizzie,i this. eight kilos. okay lizzie, you better. ten. ten kilos at heme.— you better. ten. ten kilos at home. they.— you better. ten. ten kilos at home. okay, let's— ten. ten kilos at home. okay, let's see. the answer is , is— home. okay, let's see. the answer is , is 30.- home. okay, let's see. the answer is , is 30. wow lizzie answer is, is 30. wow lizzie cehty— answer is, is 30. wow lizzie cehty ve— answer is, is 30. wow lizzie cehty eh— answer is, is 30. wow lizzie cehty on e— answer is, is 30. wow lizzie cundy was on a winning streak . cundy was on a winning streak. ethe— cundy was on a winning streak. 30k9- she-e— cundy was on a winning streak. eoke. she-e het— cundy was on a winning streak. 30kg. she's not usually on a vhhhe— 30kg. she's not usually on a winning streak,— 30kg. she's not usually on a winning streak, so it is quite ehr-eyhe— winning streak, so it is quite ehr-eyhe ht.— winning streak, so it is quite ehr-eyhe t. the— winning streak, so it is quite enjoying it. the average uk ttyeteh— enjoying it. the average uk fryston consumes about 30kg of ehtpe— fryston consumes about 30kg of ehtpe e— fryston consumes about 30kg of ehtpe e yeet— fryston consumes about 30kg of chips a year. that— fryston consumes about 30kg of chips a year. that is quite a tht— chips a year. that is quite a htt et— chips a year. that is quite a htt et ehtpe.— chips a year. that is quite a bit of chips, right? question three— bit of chips, right? question three the— bit of chips, right? question three the cornish town of tetheeth— three the cornish town of falmouth was— three the cornish town of falmouth was host to which there— falmouth was host to which bizarre competition this week. hee— bizarre competition this week. the tt— bizarre competition this week. the tt e— bizarre competition this week. the tt e peetty— bizarre competition this week. was it a pastry eating bee worm? chevhhe— was it a pastry eating bee worm? chevhhe ev— was it a pastry eating bee worm? chevhhe or c— was it a pastry eating bee worm? charming or c sofa— was it a pastry eating bee worm? charming or c sofa surfing ? charming or c sofa surfing? ttzzte— charming or c sofa surfing? ttzzte th— charming or c sofa surfing? lizzie i'm going— charming or c sofa surfing? lizzie i'm going to go c c sofa eehhe. — lizzie i'm going to go c c sofa eehhe. veeh. — lizzie i'm going to go c c sofa surfing. yeah. g surfing. yeah. worm charming worm charming, says nigel nelson . the answer is worm charming. kee— . the answer is worm charming. vee tteht— . the answer is worm charming. vee tteht. he— the answer is worm charming. yes right. he should know . the answer is worm charming. yes right. he should know. no. yes right. he should know. no. yes r— yes right. he should know. no. yes . tt— yes right. he should know. no. yes . tt vve— yes right. he should know. no. yes , it was yes. worm. - yes right. he should know. no. t/5;~5r . “5:5 worm. charming. yes, it was yes. worm. charming. the— yes, it was yes. worm. charming. the the— yes, it was yes. worm. charming. the third annual— yes, it was yes. worm. charming. the third annual worm - 45:5 . “5:5 worm. charming. the third annual worm charming eehpetttteh— the third annual worm charming eehpetttteh h— the third annual worm charming competition in falmouth saw hehtvete— competition in falmouth saw hehtvete et— competition in falmouth saw hundreds of worms being lured out hundreds of worms being lured eet et— hundreds of worms being lured eet oh the— hundreds of worms being lured out of the ground— hundreds of worms being lured out of the ground by vibrations in out of the ground by vibrations th the— out of the ground by vibrations th the eetth— out of the ground by vibrations in the earth. would these have you—

in the earth. would these have you tekhe— in the earth. would these have you tekhe pett— in the earth. would these have you taking part in— in the earth. would these have you taking part in that? \5 you taking part in that? no. vvtth— you taking part in that? no. vvtth tee— you taking part in that? no. vvtth tee hehy— you taking part in that? \5 with too many worms? you taking part in that? \5 with too many worms.7 \5 with too many worms.7 no, with loads— with too many worms.7 no, with loads of— with too many worms.7 n0, with loads of them. they with too many worms.7 no, with loads of them. they just keep following me. true or false .7 following me. true or false? there have been reports of a killer whales deliberately. i read this the other day, hitting boats off the coast of spain. i gave that away . you just got gave that away. you just got there.— gave that away. you just got there. sorry,— gave that away. you just got there. sorry, i— gave that away. you just got there. sorry, i know. - g you just got there. sorry, i know. \5 there. sorry, i know. no, this is true.— there. sorry, i know. no, this is true. yeah i know. it's true, too. yeah, terrible,— is true. yeah i know. it's true, too. yeah, terrible, isn't- “55" it's true, too. yeah, terrible, isn't it? terrible— too. yeah, terrible, isn't it? terrible story— too. yeah, terrible, isn't it? terrible story .— too. yeah, terrible, isn't it? terrible story . it— too. yeah, terrible, isn't it? terrible story . it is- too. yeah, terrible, isn't it? terrible story . it is true. it's terrible story. it is true. it's believed that they might be imitating the behaviour of a regular trauma. singular traumatised. traumatised. traumatised orca. poor thing . traumatised orca. poor thing. right. question five pop sensation tina turner unfortunately passed away this week . what was the most streamed week. what was the most streamed songin week. what was the most streamed song in the uk? was it a the best? b acid queen? or c what's love got to do with sps? as i was speaking, sir nigel the best simply the best. dumas better than— simply the best. dumas better than hau— simply the best. dumas better than half . — simply the best. dumas better than half . yes,— simply the best. dumas better than half . yes, it— simply the best. dumas better than half . yes, it was. of than half. yes, it was. of course it was simply the best. because she was. she was well ,

because she was. she was well, she not only love you, tina . she not only love you, tina. well, listen, on today's show , well, listen, on today's show, i've been asking you, do you blame rishi sunak for the immigration crisis? according to our twitter poll, 60% say our twitter poll, 60% of you say yes. yes, 40% say no . yes. yes, 40% of you say no. thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie, thank you so much. you. and also to much. love to you. and also to senior commentator senior political commentator nigel nigel thank you so nigel nelson. nigel thank you so much. thank you to much. and a huge thank you to you your company as you at home for your company as well. a pleasure. i'll well. it's been a pleasure. i'll be tomorrow . joining me be back tomorrow. joining me live be danny kelly and live will be danny kelly and the fabulous christine hamilton will be . so thank so much be back. so thank you so much again. forward to seeing be back. so thank you so much agaitomorrowforward to seeing be back. so thank you so much agaitomorrow atrvard to seeing be back. so thank you so much agaitomorrow at three.» seeing be back. so thank you so much agaitomorrow at three. make|g be back. so thank you so much agaitomorrow at three. make sure be back. so thank you so much agaijoinorrow at three. make sure be back. so thank you so much agaijoin me.v at three. make sure be back. so thank you so much agaijoin me. we've'ee. make sure be back. so thank you so much agaijoin me. we've'ee. loads sure you join me. we've got loads still to come as well. don't forget, to head forget, we go head to head between leave between 3 and 4. i'll leave you with fabulous weather between 3 and 4. i'll leave you with enjoy>us weather between 3 and 4. i'll leave you with enjoy hello |ther between 3 and 4. i'll leave you with enjoy hello there. i'm forecast. enjoy hello there. i'm jonathan— forecast. enjoy hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey_ forecast. enjoy hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here- f hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your evening— jonathan vautrey here with your evening weather— jonathan vautrey here with your evening weather update from the met otttte — evening weather update from the met otttte tt— evening weather update from the met office as we _ evening weather update from the met office as we look forward to the-tty— met office as we look forward to the-tty tt— met office as we look forward to the-tty tt-ttng- the second day of the long weekend— the second day of the long weekend .— the second day of the long weekend . it— the second day of the long weekend . it is— the second day of the long weekend . it is looking stay weekend. it is looking to stay tne— weekend. it is looking to stay fine-many— weekend. it is looking to stay fine-many et— weekend. it is looking to stay fine-many of us- weekend. it is looking to stay fine many of us all thanks fine for many of us all thanks to high— fine for many of us all thanks to high pressure— fine for many of us all thanks to high pressure is very to high pressure that is very nnen—te- to high pressure that is very much—to muchi to high pressure that is veryi much _to much of to high pressure that is very- much _to much of the much clinging on to much of the uk, much clinging on to much of the un—ntee- much clinging on to much of the un—ntee ent- uk, keeping things nice and eetttet— uk, keeping things nice and settled even— uk, keeping things nice and settled even this cold front tnat-e— settled even this cold front tnat-e teen— settled even this cold front that's been pushing into the nent—nett— that's been pushing into the north—west is— that's been pushing into the north—west is continuing to fade

away— north—west is continuing to fade away ent— north—west is continuing to fade away ent any— north—west is continuing to fade away ant any at— north—west is continuing to fade away and any of the rain we away and any of the rain that we nave— away and any of the rain that we nave-en— away and any of the rain that we have -on .through- away and any of the rain that we have on through saturday have seen on it through saturday is have seen on it through saturday te-eat. — have seen on it through saturday te-eat. se— have seen on it through saturday is-out. so it'll- is fizzling out. so it'll be more .cloudy- is fizzling out. so it'll be. more .cloudy-as is fizzling out. so it'll be- more .cloudy-as it more of a cloudy feature as it moves across northern ireland tnte—aneae- moves across northern ireland nteae—a etl into central eastern areas of tngtant. — into central eastern areas of tngtant. a— into central eastern areas of england. a few— into central eastern areas of england. a few mist and fog patenee— england. a few mist and fog patches perhaps forming across tast— patches perhaps forming across east—southeastern east anglia, south southeasterni areas—elsewhere areas of england, but elsewhere tnere-tt— areas of england, but elsewhere tnere-tt te— areas of england, but elsewhere tnere-tt be a— areas of england, but elsewhere there'll be a good— areas of england, but elsewhere there'll be a good number of neat— there'll be a good number of clear intervals— there'll be a good number of clear intervals ,_ there'll be a good number of clear intervals , perhaps a mild clear intervals, perhaps a mild nent— clear intervals, perhaps a mild night underneath— clear intervals, perhaps a mild night underneath the cloud tteett— night underneath the cloud tteett. nat— night underneath the cloud itself. but where you do have night underneath the cloud itself. clearvhere you do have night underneath the cloud itself. clear intervals, do have those clear intervals, temperatures dropping in temperatures dropping down in some areas, particularly temperatures dropping down in sonhigher areas, particularly temperatures dropping down in son higher ground particularly temperatures dropping down in son higher ground areas ularly temperatures dropping down in sonhigher ground areas of|rly for higher ground areas of semant— for higher ground areas of scotland. so— for higher ground areas of scotland. so where you have tnese— scotland. so where you have tneee attent— scotland. so where you have those bright intervals , first those bright intervals, first tttna— those bright intervals, first tntne, tt— those bright intervals, first thing, it should be a lovely stan— thing, it should be a lovely etan te— thing, it should be a lovely start to sunday,— thing, it should be a lovely start to sunday, this cloud just canne— start to sunday, this cloud just eentne ant— start to sunday, this cloud just coming and going again across eentnat— coming and going again across eentnat antea— coming and going again across central areas might provide some tenet— central areas might provide some tenet stutt— central areas might provide some lower stuff across— central areas might provide some lower stuff across some coastal tat— lower stuff across some coastal areas, but generally it will treat— areas, but generally it will treat an— areas, but generally it will break up into— areas, but generally it will break up into the afternoon. the att— break up into the afternoon. the eat tenet— break up into the afternoon. the odd shower possible, but you'll be antaety— odd shower possible, but you'll be antaety te— odd shower possible, but you'll be unlucky to see— odd shower possible, but you'll be unlucky to see one of those eteennene— be unlucky to see one of those eteennene .— be unlucky to see one of those elsewhere . some— be unlucky to see one of those elsewhere . some nice sunny elsewhere. some nice sunny tntenate— elsewhere. some nice sunny intervals—highsl elsewhere. some nice sunnyi intervals—highs of intervals climbing to highs of 22 intervals climbing to highs of zz-tn— intervals climbing to highs of zz-tn tne— intervals climbing to highs of 22-in the south- intervals climbing to highs of 22 in the south as we 22 celsius in the south as we neat— 22 celsius in the south as we neat tnte— 22 celsius in the south as we head into the— 22 celsius in the south as we head into the evening. the cloud across england— head into the evening. the cloud across england will— head into the evening. the cloud across england will continue to tate— across england will continue to tate away. — across england will continue to fade away. some— across england will continue to fade away. some hazy , wispy fade away. some hazy, wispy stutt— fade away. some hazy, wispy stuff across— fade away. some hazy, wispy stuff across scotland still , but stuff across scotland still, but generate— stuff across scotland still, but genetatty a— stuff across scotland still, but generally a pleasant end to the day underneath— generally a pleasant end to the day underneath all the clear enette— day underneath all the cleari

spells—overnight spells that develop overnight nent,— spells that develop overnight ntgnt, tnongn— spells that develop overnight night, though, that will allow tnese— night, though, that will allow tneee—tnenl night, though, that will allowi those—drop off those temperatures to drop off naen— those temperatures to drop off naen-nttety— those temperatures to drop off much _widely and - those temperatures to drop off much widely and so many much more widely and so many areas-getttne— much more widely and so many areas getting down into areas will be getting down into tnese— areas will be getting down into tntae-tente— areas will be getting down into those figure marks, those single figure marks, perhaps— those single figure marks, pennane a— those single figure marks, perhaps a touch frost across perhaps a touch of frost across nennenn— perhaps a touch of frost across northern england,— perhaps a touch of frost across northern england, scotland and tennenn— northern england, scotland and morten—.- northern england, scotland and tennenn—. natl northern ireland as well. but tnte— northern ireland as well. but tnte tant— northern ireland as well. but into bank holiday monday itself, tnere-tt— into bank holiday monday itself, there'll—of- there'll be a good number of sunny— there'll be a good number of sunny intervals— there'll be a good number of sunny intervals .— there'll be a good number of sunny intervals . do remember sunny intervals. do remember tnat— sunny intervals. do remember tnat-nut— sunny intervals. do remember tnat-nnt te- sunny intervals. do remember that-will be high. that uv levels will be high tnrongnont— that uv levels will be high throughout the— that uv levels will be high throughout the day, with throughout the day, even with any—anotne- throughout the day, even with any—around we. throughout the day, even withi any—around we do any wispy cloud around we do tnongn— any wispy cloud around we do tneagn nave— any wispy cloud around we do though, have a— any wispy cloud around we do though, have a bit of a breeze teteteatng— though, have a bit of a breeze developing across— though, have a bit of a breeze developing across the south coast— developing across the south coast et— developing across the south coast of england monday , coast of england come monday, ant— coast of england come monday, ant-nnt— coast of england come monday, and .will continue- coast of england come monday, and will continue as we and that will continue as we neat— and that will continue as we- neat—week. head into the forthcoming week. tnte— head into the forthcoming week. tne—tast- this easterly breeze just tnngtng— this easterly breeze just bringing cooler air off this easterly breeze just- bringing-cooler air off the bringing some cooler air off the natt— bringing some cooler air off the north-generally- bringing some cooler air off the north generally western north sea. so generally western nttt— north sea. so generally western nttt te— north sea. so generally western areas will be faring best for our temperatures, but they'll etttt— our temperatures, but they'll ettttla— our temperatures, but they'll still. a - amount - still be a fair amount of eanentne— still be a fair amount of sunshine thanks to sunshine around thanks to that high—by-

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