by ibvl hello i by- hello and i by— hello and welcome. by hello and welcome. this is calm-s— hello and welcome. this is calvin's common sense crusade. with calvin's common sense crusade. with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless . now, today, we on your wireless. now, today, we will be discussing the dismal the dismissal rather, of a christian teacher for apparently misgendering a pupil as well as the demonstration by a group of british muslims outside the screening of a new film they dub islamophobic. screening of a new film they dub islamophobic . and in the duel, islamophobic. and in the duel, my panellists will be discussing a new study that shows residents in the united kingdom are among the least religious in the

world. how have we got here and what does it mean for our country? emma i think this is extremely— twin. “47 emma i think this is extremely concerning wtwiw. “07 emma i think this is extremely concerning because wtwiw. 237 emma i think this is extremely concerning because the very— extremely concerning because the very foundations— extremely concerning because the very foundations ,_ extremely concerning because the very foundations , the fibres of very foundations, the fibres of our very foundations, the fibres of country— very foundations, the fibres of country .— very foundations, the fibres of our country , our— very foundations, the fibres of our country , our society, our our country, our society, our laws— our country, our society, our laws .— our country, our society, our laws , our culture- our country, our society, our laws , our culture are found laws, our culture are found grounded— laws, our culture are found grounded in— laws, our culture are found grounded in christianity. and if we lose— grounded in christianity. and if we lose whee.— grounded in christianity. and if we lose that, i— grounded in christianity. and if we lose that, i think that in new— we lose that, i think that in new very— we lose that, i think that in new very much— we lose that, i think that in not very much time we'll end up wee— not very much time we'll end up we a— not very much time we'll end up we a society— not very much time we'll end up with a society that— not very much time we'll end up with a society that looks very different— with a society that looks very different from _ with a society that looks very different from the one that we currently— different from the one that we currently know— different from the one that we currently know today. ' w: fwflitw“ currently know today. and aaron, i think— currently know today. and aaron, i think this data is fascinating. it shows that whee-e— fascinating. it shows that there's falling— t w; it shows that there's falling religious faith emeneew— there's falling religious faith amongst younger people , gen z amongst younger people, gen z and— amongst younger people, gen z and millennials_ amongst younger people, gen z and millennials compared to baby boomers. however— boomers. however counter—intuitively , younger counter—intuitively, younger people— counter—intuitively, younger people ee— counter—intuitively, younger people are more— counter—intuitively, younger people are more likely to be“...— people are more likely to believe in— people are more likely to believe in life— people are more likely to believe in life after death and hen.— believe in life after death and hen. ._ believe in life after death and hen. i think— believe in life after death and hell, i think that— believe in life after death and hell, i think that says something— hell, i think that says something quite interesting about— something quite interesting about whe— something quite interesting about the cultural moment we're in. -of— about the cultural moment we're in. -of whoo— about the cultural moment we're in. -of that wo— about the cultural moment we're in. -of that to come- about the cultural moment we're in. of that to come in the in. more of that to come in the due. — in. more of that to come in the due. out— in. more of that to come in the duel. but before— in. more of that to come in the duel. but before that,- in. more of that to come in the duel. but before that, here's the news with rory smith . thank the news with rory smith. thank you, calvin. the latest— the news with rory smith. thank you, calvin. the latest from - ?wiw3 thank you, calvin. the latest from the gb newe— you, calvin. the latest from the ow news room.— you, calvin. the latest from the gb news room. we're going to swore— gb news room. we're going to were www— gb news room. we're going to start with some— gb news room. we're going to start with some breaking news. awe—

start with some breaking news. one how— start with some breaking news. and holly willoughby has broken her and holly willoughby has broken wew ewewee— and holly willoughby has broken her silence on— and holly willoughby has broken her silence on phillip schofield's- her silence on phillip schofield's affair with the young— schofield's affair with the young wwv— schofield's affair with the young itv employee saying she is ewe— young itv employee saying she is wow ow— young itv employee saying she is how two we— young itv employee saying she is hurt by his deceit.— young itv employee saying she is hurt by his deceit. holly weweoeeo— hurt by his deceit. holly released a— hurt by his deceit. holly released a statement on social meow— released a statement on social meowo sowe— released a statement on social media saying, when reports of the relationship— media saying, when reports of the relationship first surfaced, ewe— the relationship first surfaced, she asked— the relationship first surfaced, she asked phillip directly if owe— she asked phillip directly if we woe— she asked phillip directly if this was true _ she asked phillip directly if this was true and she was told by this was true and she was told too were — this was true and she was told by we wow— this was true and she was told by wwm we we— this was true and she was told by him that it was— this was true and she was told by him that it was not. she added— by him that it was not. she added we— by him that it was not. she added it's been— by him that it was not. she added it's been very hurtful to wee— added it's been very hurtful to wee owe— added it's been very hurtful to now find out that— added it's been very hurtful to now find out that this was a we.— now find out that this was a we. phillip— now find out that this was a lie. phillip resigned yesterday owwew— lie. phillip resigned yesterday after admitting— lie. phillip resigned yesterday after admitting the affair, oeeewowwe— after admitting the affair, describing it— after admitting the affair, describing it as unwise. but not megaw— describing it as unwise. but not new mow.— describing it as unwise. but not illegal mail. on— describing it as unwise. but not illegal mail. on sunday. journalist— illegal mail. on sunday. journalist charlotte griffiths sowe— journalist charlotte griffiths eowe oeoowe— journalist charlotte griffiths eowe people we— journalist charlotte griffiths says people in the industry must wowe— says people in the industry must have known— says people in the industry must have know we— says people in the industry must have known it was— says people in the industry must have known it was a video of him home— have known it was a video of him wowwe wwwew— have known it was a video of him having lunch in— have known it was a video of him having lunch in a— have known it was a video of him having lunch in a cafe with this young— having lunch in a cafe with this young men— having lunch in a cafe with this young owe— having lunch in a cafe with this young man and although i think he young man and although i think we woe— young man and although i think we we— young man and although i think we we ow— young man and although i think he was 18 at the— young man and although i think he was 18 at the time, i'm so it we— he was 18 at the time, i'm so it we wowe— he was 18 at the time, i'm so it was the worst kept— he was 18 at the time, i'm so it was the worst kept secret . /wiw. was the worst kept secret. you have— was the worst kept secret. you have we— was the worst kept secret. you have we owe— was the worst kept secret. you have to take him _ was the worst kept secret. you have to take him at— was the worst kept secret. you have to take him at his word. you know, holly must have asked him about this. people around him about this. people around him must have asked him about this and have lied. this and he must have lied. that's he said. and that's that's what he said. and that's all know now. well, gb all we know right now. well, gb news all we know right now. well, gb wewe presenter— all we know right now. well, gb news presenter and— . 32 well, gb news presenter and former this

mowwwwe— news presenter and former this morning—holmesl news presenter and former this. morning _ holmes has morning host eamonn holmes has hit morning host eamonn holmes has wow-we— morning host eamonn holmes has wow-we ex— morning host eamonn holmes has hit his ex colleague, hit out at his ex colleague, eowwwe— hit out at his ex colleague, eowwwe wee-e— hit out at his ex colleague, saying he's finally been caught out saying he's finally been caught owe-meow. — saying he's finally been caught out-media. .said. saying he's finally been caughti out-media. .said for out on social media. he said for high— out on social media. he said for high ebe— out on social media. he said for high members of— out on social media. he said for high members of itv , management high members of itv, management mew— high members of itv, management mew wbor— high members of itv, management knew we sorr— high members of itv, management knew what sort of— high members of itv, management knew what sort of man he was and boob— knew what sort of man he was and never once took action to brewem— never once took action to brewem mm — never once took action to prevent him controlling or ramme— prevent him controlling or taking advantage of his position young— taking advantage of his position over young people. itv says it bro— over young people. itv says it did investigate— over young people. itv says it did investigate the rumours of a relationship— did investigate the rumours of a relationship between schofield and relationship between schofield me me — relationship between schofield and the employee in 2020, but bomb— and the employee in 2020, but rowmo mo— and the employee in 2020, but found no evidence— and the employee in 2020, but found no evidence to support the creme— found no evidence to support the claims .— found no evidence to support the claims . oe— found no evidence to support the claims , as both— found no evidence to support the claims , as both parties denied claims, as both parties denied it . claims, as both parties denied b . webb— claims, as both parties denied it . well, showbiz reporter ellie it. well, showbiz reporter ellie rbrbbe— it. well, showbiz reporter ellie rbrbbe robb— it. well, showbiz reporter ellie philips told us— it. well, showbiz reporter ellie philips told us that schofield's oewome— philips told us that schofield's actions were— philips told us that schofield's actions were more than mobbrobrrore- actions were more than inappropriate . wi; w; actions were more than- inappropriate . he's saying it's inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse of power because phillip's schofield is the was the face of this morning a massive position of power. and you've got a runner who, in the scheme of things within the scene, you know, within how it works behind the scenes is much lower down the rung in terms of power. so it's about that power imbalance. i think . well, imbalance. ithink. well, another news this- t well, another news this evening, the wome— another news this evening, the home offbe— another news this evening, the home office says— another news this evening, the home office says the nationwide border— home office says the nationwide border control— home office says the nationwide border control system failure bee— border control system failure bee ow— border control system failure has now been— border control system failure

has now been fixed early after rboweemoe— has now been fixed early after thousands of— has now been fixed early after thousands of people travelling for me— thousands of people travelling for me berk— thousands of people travelling for the bank holiday faced bewewe— for the bank holiday faced delays following a technical rewr— delays following a technical rewb mer— delays following a technical fault that affected e—gates. weerbrow— fault that affected e—gates. heathrow airport says it's now roeweeeo— heathrow airport says it's now roeweeeb om— heathrow airport says it's now focussed on helping passengers on merr— focussed on helping passengers on mew wow— focussed on helping passengers on their way as— focussed on helping passengers on their way as quickly as boeerbwe— on their way as quickly as boeerbbe .— on their way as quickly as possible . staying with travel possible. staying with travel emb — possible. staying with travel news and passengers at the port of bower— news and passengers at the port of bower ee— news and passengers at the port of dover are still— news and passengers at the port of dover are still experiencing wome— of dover are still experiencing long bewewe— of dover are still experiencing long delays following earlier, it long delays following earlier, b beewee— long delays following earlier, it issues also— long delays following earlier, it issues also at— long delays following earlier, it issues also at border control . ebowoereme— it issues also at border control . ebowoereme bor— it issues also at border control , apologising for the disruption. - , apologising for the disruption. the port authority eewe— disruption. the port authority eewe me— disruption. the port authority says the problem has been fixed, but says the problem has been fixed, bur mere— says the problem has been fixed, bur mere ee— says the problem has been fixed, but there are still— says the problem has been fixed, but there are still queues with emo— but there are still queues with cars and coaches— but there are still queues with cars and coaches waiting at the momem— cars and coaches waiting at the moment erowmo— cars and coaches waiting at the moment around .— cars and coaches waiting at the moment around . 45 minutes to moment around. 45 minutes to just— moment around. 45 minutes to just ebb.— moment around. 45 minutes to just erob. ow— moment around. 45 minutes to just stop. oil protesters have been— just stop. oil protesters have been arrested— just stop. oil protesters have been arrested for— just stop. oil protesters have been arrested for disrupting the eewweeber— been arrested for disrupting the gallagher premiership rugby brew— gallagher premiership rugby rmeb er— gallagher premiership rugby final at twickenham. 37 year old boeror— final at twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick— final at twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick hart— final at twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick hart from bristol emb— doctor patrick hart from bristol end we— doctor patrick hart from bristol end we weer— doctor patrick hart from bristol and 40 year old— doctor patrick hart from bristol and 40 year old sam johnson from beeex— and 40 year old sam johnson from beeex omo— and 40 year old sam johnson from essex ran onto the— and 40 year old sam johnson from essex ran onto the pitch midway rbroweb— essex ran onto the pitch midway rbroweb me— essex ran onto the pitch midway through the first— essex ran onto the pitch midway through the first half of the mem— through the first half of the match before _ through the first half of the match before throwing orange berm— match before throwing orange berm bowoer— match before throwing orange paint powder onto the field brewer— paint powder onto the field brewer wee— paint powder onto the field player was suspended as the men eeeorreo— player was suspended as the men were escorted from _ player was suspended as the men were escorted from the stadium

by were escorted from the stadium bw ereweroe— were escorted from the stadium bw ereweroe ee— were escorted from the stadium by stewards as this is gb news. webb— by stewards as this is gb news. we-bw brme— by stewards as this is gb news. we-ww bring wow— by stewards as this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it bebbeme— we'll bring you more as it bebbeme. wow.— we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, back to webm— happens. now, though, back to wewwm .— kelvin. this week kelvin. - this week we bewwm — this week we saw the release of a this week we saw the release of e reborr— this week we saw the release of e reborr wbreb— this week we saw the release of a report which highlighted that the a report which highlighted that me be— a report which highlighted that me be re— a report which highlighted that the uk is among— a report which highlighted that the uk is among the least reberowe— the uk is among the least religious places in the world. i religious places in the world. r rome— religious places in the world. r bomb br— religious places in the world. i found it sad— religious places in the world. i found it sad but— religious places in the world. i found it sad but unsurprising. my i found it sad but unsurprising. my bridge rates are plummeting to their lowest on record at just over 200,000 per year. at the same time, abortion rates are rising to overtake them at just over 200,000 per year. so instead of starting families, we are ending them prenatal. coincidentally arnie 3.3 million people in the uk report to be clinically lonely up 1 million since the pandemic. families are out promiscuous motty is in and

the result is loneliness . us as the result is loneliness. us as a nation, it seems we have lost our foundation . that foundation our foundation. that foundation was christianity , faith, hope was christianity, faith, hope and charity are the core christian values which inspired the british empire's values of freedom, fraternity and federation. at some point we lost track of that and in recent years we have scrambled to define our national values . define our national values. michael gove came up with democracy, rule of law and tolerance of people of different faiths and none not exactly inspired . faiths and none not exactly inspired. king faiths and none not exactly inspired . king without inspired. king without a faithful bedrock , we're just faithful bedrock, we're just plucking ideas out of thin air. we're not a democracy , not we're not a democracy, not really. we're a constitutional monarchy . we don't seem to have monarchy. we don't seem to have much of a rule of law these days ehhen much of a rule of law these days either. you only have to look at numerous videos by the infamous tiktok to see who gets away tiktok fool to see who gets away with invading people's private property. that and as property. to notice that and as for tolerance of other faiths and none, well, that's a large part of the problem we face. actually. we've gone from three quarters of people believing in god to under half. generation z

have the lowest levels of belief at 37. and this is at the same time that the bbc is publishing articles promoting the satanic temple with a headline. this week reading the satanic temple. think you know about satanists ? think you know about satanists? maybe you don't has this tolerance of different faiths and none gone too far. it comes from the liberal school of thought that all ideas are equal and all cultures are equal. that is demonstrably untrue. satan ism. the worship of the devil is quite literally evil. if god is love and christianity is the worship of an ever loving god , worship of an ever loving god, satanism is the worship of the absence of love. how can that possibly be a good thing for society? to make matters worse, the uk birth rate is in peril. half of adults are ruling out having children. our birth rate is around 1.5. we haven't been at the standard 2.4 children since the 70s and our birth rates have been declining since the sexual revolution of the 60s. no coincides there. we're not replacing ourselves.

instead, we continue to immorally import cheap foreign labour net migration is looking to top 1 million. this year. are we prioritising christian refugees from northern nigeria where 200 priests have been killed in the past six weeks, or from south sudan where they're also being persecuted ? of also being persecuted? of course, not much limbs remain. the second largest religious group among the migrant population of great britain, more than double that of hindus, sikhs and buddhists. so long as we continue to import masses of immigrants with values that are not necessarily aligned with our own christian values. at the same to get same time as refusing to get married have children married or have children ourselves allowing ourselves and allowing mainstream media outlets to promote evil , of course we're promote evil, of course we're going become a godless going to become a godless society . society. the report by the world values survey and king's college. london's policy institute,

compares data from the uk with 23 other countries surveying 3000 adults from within the united kingdom . but what has led united kingdom. but what has led to this decline and what does it mean for the future of our nafion? mean for the future of our nation? that brings to us today's dual . and to debate this today's dual. and to debate this topic, i'm joined by my brilliant journalist , my brilliant journalist, my sidekick emma webb, and my nemesis, aaron bastani . why is nemesis, aaron bastani. why is britain losing touch with god ? britain losing touch with god? aaron bastani, let's start with you. this week . this data is you. this week. this data is ewber— you. this week. this data is super interesting— you. this week. this data is super interesting and- " this data is super interesting and some of it's super interesting and some of be very— super interesting and some of it's very counterintuitive. so to it's very counterintuitive. so ro ererr— it's very counterintuitive. so ro ererr .— it's very counterintuitive. so ro ererr . bew— it's very counterintuitive. so to start, 53% of— it's very counterintuitive. so to start , 53% of millennials, to start, 53% of millennials, mere— to start, 53% of millennials, were me— to start, 53% of millennials, that's the birth— to start, 53% of millennials, that's the birth cohort i'm from bebewe— that's the birth cohort i'm from bebewe m— that's the birth cohort i'm from believe in life— that's the birth cohort i'm from believe in life after death. mere— believe in life after death. rber-e rero— believe in life after death. that's18% higher than baby boomee— that's18% higher than baby boomers . so— that's18% higher than baby boomers . so my parents boomers. so my parents eemerewom— boomers. so my parents generation, only 35% of baby boomee— generation, only 35% of baby boomers believe— generation, only 35% of baby boomers believe in life after deem. — boomers believe in life after deem. rr-e— boomers believe in life after death. it's much— boomers believe in life after death. it's much higher for millennials.— death. it's much higher for millennials. similarly 51% of bee— millennials. similarly 51% of bee z— millennials. similarly 51% of gen z believe— millennials. similarly 51% of gen z believe in— millennials. similarly 51% of gen z believe in life after deem.— gen z believe in life after deem. ber— gen z believe in life after death, but only- gen z believe in life after death, but only 37% believe in boo.— death, but only 37% believe in boo. so— death, but only 37% believe in ooo. so wow-re— death, but only 37% believe in god. so you're actually seeing in god. so you're actually seeing m e— god. so you're actually seeing m e erremee— god. so you're actually seeing in a strange way,— god. so you're actually seeing in a strange way, this is just a

bwbomeere— in a strange way, this is just a hypothesis here— in a strange way, this is just a hypothesis here going off this were. — hypothesis here going off this were. wow— hypothesis here going off this data. you seeing— hypothesis here going off this data. you seeing arguably a growth— data. you seeing arguably a growth m— data. you seeing arguably a growth m r— data. you seeing arguably a growth in i don't like the word embr— growth in i don't like the word spirit spiritualism quite loose. mere-e— spirit spiritualism quite loose. there's clearly— spirit spiritualism quite loose. there's clearly a— spirit spiritualism quite loose. there's clearly a belief in a meber— there's clearly a belief in a higher being— there's clearly a belief in a higher being and a higher power. but higher being and a higher power. bur bre— higher being and a higher power. bur rr-e mor— higher being and a higher power. but it's not really— higher being and a higher power. but it's not really being reflected— but it's not really being reflected in— but it's not really being reflected in a- but it's not really being reflected in a belief in oreemeeo— reflected in a belief in organised religion and organised berm.— organised religion and organised berm. amb— organised religion and organised berm. ame r— organised religion and organised faith. and i think— organised religion and organised faith. and i think that probably rerweere— faith. and i think that probably rerweere e— faith. and i think that probably reflects a fundamental human meeo— reflects a fundamental human meet for— reflects a fundamental human need for these— reflects a fundamental human need for these things, eebeerewww— need for these things, especially in- need for these things, especially in times of crisis emb— especially in times of crisis and instability.— especially in times of crisis and instability. what we see wim— and instability. what we see wrm reeeroe— and instability. what we see with regards to,— and instability. what we see with regards to, for instance, oreeoweee— with regards to, for instance, discourses around climate change and.— discourses around climate change emo. emb— discourses around climate change and, and pandemics, it makes sense for a young— and, and pandemics, it makes sense for a young person to all of sense for a young person to all or e— sense for a young person to all or e ewooem— sense for a young person to all of a sudden find— sense for a young person to all of a sudden find these ideas very— of a sudden find these ideas very appealing- _ of a sudden find these ideas very appealing. but like you say,— very appealing. but like you eew-ooeem-r— very appealing. but like you say,-doesn't-likel very appealing. but like you say, doesn't like the say, that doesn't look like the term— say, that doesn't look like the term or— say, that doesn't look like the term or me— say, that doesn't look like the faith of the 19th,— say, that doesn't look like the faith of the 19th, 20th centuries. _ faith of the 19th, 20th centuries. - faith of the 19th, 20th centuries. i- faith of the 19th, 20th centuries. : centuries. i would say it's because it's innate. i would say it's imprinted on our dna in our conscience is conscience that we know there is something know something bigger. we know there's we know there's an afterlife. we know there's an afterlife. we know there's god. however, would there's a god. however, i would say people being say it's actually people being biblically illiterate . and this biblically illiterate. and this is the reason everyone's spiritual these days and don't necessarily know how to define it. because we have it. is it because we have a state church that has failed in its educate people? i its duty to educate people? i think that's certainly part of me— think that's certainly part of rte-ber— think that's certainly part of rbe-bwr bre- think that's certainly part of the-but it'slbitl the problem. but it's a bit ebrewem—

the problem. but it's a bit chicken-when- the problem. but it's a bit chicken when it comes the problem. but it's a bit- chicken -when it comes to chicken or egg when it comes to the chicken or egg when it comes to me amebeem— chicken or egg when it comes to the anglican church, because i mmb— the anglican church, because i mmb we— the anglican church, because i think we have— the anglican church, because i think we have seen, you know, emce— think we have seen, you know, emee-emee— think we have seen, you know, since-since-40s- since the since the 40s 50s, even earlier— since the since the 40s 50s, even earlier earlier than the mebe— even earlier earlier than the boee-eom— even earlier earlier than the 1960s,-sort of- even earlier earlier than the 1960s, sort of gradual 1960s, this sort of gradual wbowe— 1960s, this sort of gradual whole wave— 1960s, this sort of gradual whole wave of— 1960s, this sort of gradual whole wave of atheism and eerwebw— whole wave of atheism and actually orwell— whole wave of atheism and actually orwell , when he writes actually orwell, when he writes ebowr— actually orwell, when he writes ebowr m— actually orwell, when he writes ebowr be me — actually orwell, when he writes about in the 30s— actually orwell, when he writes about in the 30s and he's wrrrme— about in the 30s and he's writing about— about in the 30s and he's writing about the anglican cbwem— writing about the anglican cbwrem bre— writing about the anglican church, his description is chime eombwereww— church, his description is chime completely with— church, his description is chime completely with the situation mer— completely with the situation we we — completely with the situation we we beve— completely with the situation that we have today . so i think that we have today. so i think it's that we have today. so i think we berr— that we have today. so i think be bore of— that we have today. so i think be bore of me— that we have today. so i think it's part of the problem. i mmb— it's part of the problem. i think you're— it's part of the problem. i think you're right that there is a think you're right that there is e mmb— think you're right that there is e mmb or— think you're right that there is a kind of theological, theological- a kind of theological, theological illiteracy and i mmb— theological illiteracy and i mmb we— theological illiteracy and i think we don't— theological illiteracy and i think we don't really understand it think we don't really understand b ee— think we don't really understand b ee e— think we don't really understand b ee e rebor— think we don't really understand it as a nation and— think we don't really understand it as a nation and we're failing to it as a nation and we're failing ro beee— it as a nation and we're failing ro tree or— it as a nation and we're failing ro pee on ro— it as a nation and we're failing to pass on to our— it as a nation and we're failing to pass on to our children a knowledge— to pass on to our children a knowledge and— to pass on to our children a knowledge and understanding of the knowledge and understanding of me cobweb— knowledge and understanding of the cultural, the— knowledge and understanding of the cultural, the christian cobweb— the cultural, the christian cultural foundations of the eoererw— cultural foundations of the eoererw mer— cultural foundations of the society that we _ cultural foundations of the society that we live in. and obwowew— society that we live in. and obviously that's— society that we live in. and obviously that's a problem beee— obviously that's a problem because -to- obviously that's a problem because-to a- obviously that's a problem- because-to a distortion because it leads to a distortion in because it leads to a distortion m-e— because it leads to a distortion m-e beek— because it leads to a distortion m-e week or— because it leads to a distortion in a lack of understanding in and a lack of understanding ebowr— in and a lack of understanding ebowr-eorr— in and a lack of understanding ebowr-eorr or— in and a lack of understanding about-sort of like- in and a lack of understanding about sort of like basic about the sort of like basic eeoewerem— about the sort of like basic ecosystem of— about the sort of like basic ecosystem of things like our constitutional— ecosystem of things like our constitutional framework and wbemor.— constitutional framework and whatnot. .it's_ constitutional framework and whatnot. it's actually very whatnot. but it's actually very bmbereebme— whatnot. but it's actually veryj interesting,_back interesting, i think going back to interesting, i think going back ro-aerom— interesting, i think going back ro-aerom wee— interesting, i think going back to aaron was saying, you interesting, i think going back to anecdotally, saying, you interesting, i think going back to anecdotally, calmer you interesting, i think going back to anecdotally, calmer seems know, anecdotally, calmer seems to know, anecdotally, calmer seems ro be— know, anecdotally, calmer seems to be something— know, anecdotally, calmer seems to be something that is very bobwwer— to be something that is very popular amongst people younger mem— popular amongst people younger men eorr— popular amongst people younger men eorr or— popular amongst people younger than sort of the— popular amongst people younger than sort of the generation

bewow— than sort of the generation bewow mme— than sort of the generation below mine .— than sort of the generation below mine . and i think that below mine. and i think that mere— below mine. and i think that were re— below mine. and i think that were be e— below mine. and i think that there is a need— below mine. and i think that there is a need there . and it's there is a need there. and it's been— there is a need there. and it's been bombed— there is a need there. and it's been pointed out— there is a need there. and it's been pointed out many times in rewewom— been pointed out many times in rewewom ro— been pointed out many times in relation to social— been pointed out many times in relation to social justice eewwem— relation to social justice eewwem .— relation to social justice activism , in— relation to social justice activism , in relation to climate activism, in relation to climate eereerrobbe— activism, in relation to climate catastrophe ism,— activism, in relation to climate catastrophe ism, that there is me— catastrophe ism, that there is me mmb— catastrophe ism, that there is me bro or— catastrophe ism, that there is this kind of religious fervour , this kind of religious fervour, ewmoer— this kind of religious fervour, almost puritan— this kind of religious fervour, almost puritan fervour as andrew bowe— almost puritan fervour as andrew bowwe bee— almost puritan fervour as andrew doyle has written _ almost puritan fervour as andrew doyle has written about so brwbemw— doyle has written about so brilliantly in,— doyle has written about so brilliantly in, in his book the new— brilliantly in, in his book the new puritans,— brilliantly in, in his book the new puritans, there's this kind of new puritans, there's this kind or fervour— new puritans, there's this kind of fervour amongst young people that of fervour amongst young people we re— of fervour amongst young people that is lacking— of fervour amongst young people that is lacking a— of fervour amongst young people that is lacking a kind of cbrrewem— that is lacking a kind of christian reception pull. and so it's christian reception pull. and so we tome— christian reception pull. and so we tome om— christian reception pull. and so we tome or m— christian reception pull. and so it's going off in all sorts of emerge— it's going off in all sorts of erremee emo— it's going off in all sorts of strange and unusual ways. so i mmb— strange and unusual ways. so i mmb were— strange and unusual ways. so i think we're not— strange and unusual ways. so i think we're not actually really eeeme— think we're not actually really eeeme me— think we're not actually really seeing the decline of religion as seeing the decline of religion ee emb— seeing the decline of religion ee eweb. b— seeing the decline of religion as such. it may— seeing the decline of religion as such. it may be that we're eeeme— as such. it may be that we're eeeme me— as such. it may be that we're seeing the decline of religion as we know it.— seeing the decline of religion as we know it. and part of that is, as we know it. and part of that be r— as we know it. and part of that be r mmb.— as we know it. and part of that be r mmb e— as we know it. and part of that is, i think, a result— as we know it. and part of that is, i think, a result of theological- is, i think, a result of theological illiteracy , because theological illiteracy, because i theological illiteracy, because b mmb— theological illiteracy, because b bbbmb many— theological illiteracy, because i think many people who are ewbbwebbw— i think many people who are culturally christian, who are, you— culturally christian, who are, you know — culturally christian, who are, you know, brits— culturally christian, who are, you know, brits born and bred, emb— you know, brits born and bred, emb meb— you know, brits born and bred, emb me be— you know, brits born and bred, and that is absolutely their cobweb— and that is absolutely their cultural inheritance. there's a lot misunderstanding there. lot of misunderstanding there. amb— lot of misunderstanding there. one b— lot of misunderstanding there. one b corm— lot of misunderstanding there. and i count myself amongst that. wbem— and i count myself amongst that. when r— and i count myself amongst that. when r wee— and i count myself amongst that. when i was younger. i think that the when i was younger. i think that bbe-ob— when i was younger. i think that rte-ob bmebemb- when i was younger. i think that the of england even the church of england even was beeebbme— the church of england even was

beeebbme me— the church of england even was teaching melfalse_ the church of england even was teaching me false and slightly teaching me a false and slightly obeborbeb— teaching me a false and slightly distorted understanding of our cbrbebbem— distorted understanding of our christian foundations . 'w: christian foundations. and is mbe— christian foundations. and is mbe mor— christian foundations. and is mbe nor e— christian foundations. and is this not a wider— christian foundations. and is this not a wider problem ? ms this not a wider problem? ms talked about a lack of understanding in our infrastructure and our environment around us, but surely this is a lack of understanding in the very way that we live such as marriage rates dropping birth rates, dropping abortion rates rising? is this not all a knock on effect of our lack of understanding of the faith? it's an interesting one because if you look at poland and malta and of faith has declined in of course, faith has declined in these countries, too. but i think malta— these countries, too. but i think malta didn't- t but i think malta didn't legalise obworee— think malta didn't legalise divorce until— think malta didn't legalise divorce until recently. and divorce until very recently. and bboee— divorce until very recently. and those countries— divorce until very recently. and those countries have the lowest bbrbb— those countries have the lowest bbrbb rebee— those countries have the lowest birth rates-europe.- those countries have the lowest birth rates europe. famously, birth rates in europe. famously, cebbobbe— birth rates in europe. famously, catholic—lower. catholic countries have lower bbrbb— catholic countries have lower bbrbb-emb— catholic countries have lower birth-and they- catholic countries have lower birth and they have higher birth rates and they have higher rebee— birth rates and they have higher rebee ob— birth rates and they have higher rates of church— birth rates and they have higher rates of church than rates of church attendance than morbberm — rates of church attendance than northern -ones. - rates of church attendance than| northern -ones. .so northern european ones. and so it's northern european ones. and so bb-e—bb-e- northern european ones. and so bb-e—bb-e em- it's an interesting it's an interesting— it's an interesting it's an interesting question. i i think i interesting question. i i think bbbbmb— interesting question. i i think i think there's— interesting question. i i think i think there's something deeper going— i think there's something deeper tome — i think there's something deeper tome amb— i think there's something deeper tome ame b— i think there's something deeper going on. and i think it really for instance,— going on. and i think it really for instance, you— going on. and i think it really for instance, you talked about bbrbb— for instance, you talked about bbrbb reeeb— for instance, you talked about birth rates, divorce and so on. i birth rates, divorce and so on. bbbbmb— birth rates, divorce and so on. bbbbmb bore— birth rates, divorce and so on. i think lots of— birth rates, divorce and so on. i think lots of that really is meb— i think lots of that really is me eer— i think lots of that really is me be— i think lots of that really is that can be seen across many eoebebbee— that can be seen across many societies, across— that can be seen across many societies, across multiple eombmeme— societies, across multiple continents over time. and i mmb— continents over time. and i bbbmb bre— continents over time. and i

think it's to— continents over time. and i think it's to do— continents over time. and i think it's to do with urbanisation , capitalist urbanisation, capitalist development, and i'm using that in development, and i'm using that bm—berme.— development, and i'm using that bm—berme rm- development, and i'm using that in_terms. i'm not. in very neutral terms. i'm not erbbbebebme— in very neutral terms. i'm not criticising observation. so i bow-b— criticising observation. so i oom-b mmb— criticising observation. so i don't think necessarily the beebbme— don't think necessarily the beebbme ob— don't think necessarily the decline of faith. i mean it's bmbereebbme— decline of faith. i mean it's interesting, if— decline of faith. i mean it's interesting, if you look at somewhere like israel, which is the counterargument you have, i mmb— the counterargument you have, i bbbmb bor— the counterargument you have, i think for regular— the counterargument you have, i think for regular liberal bereebb— think for regular liberal israeli jews,— think for regular liberal israeli jews, birth rates are wbe— israeli jews, birth rates are bbbe be— israeli jews, birth rates are bbbe be emb— israeli jews, birth rates are like 1.5 and then obviously for ultra—orthodox— like 1.5 and then obviously for ultra—orthodox jews, 6 or 7. so you— ultra—orthodox jews, 6 or 7. so you beve— ultra—orthodox jews, 6 or 7. so you bewe e— ultra—orthodox jews, 6 or 7. so you have a living— ultra—orthodox jews, 6 or 7. so you have a living experiment were— you have a living experiment were wbere— you have a living experiment there where actually more rebbebowe— there where actually more religious people than a country more _children. . more likely to have children. be— more likely to have children. it's-interesting- more likely to have children. it's interesting one. so i it's an interesting one. so i mmb— it's an interesting one. so i mmb-bemo- it's an interesting one. so i think partly true too. i think that's partly true too. i bomb— think that's partly true too. i oom-b mmb— think that's partly true too. i don't think it's— think that's partly true too. i don't think it's the whole eborw— don't think it's the whole eborw-berme- don't think it's the whole story.-terms of,- story. and in terms of, for meembee— story. and in terms of, for instance, mental health, you mow.— instance, mental health, you know me— instance, mental health, you know, the mental health, know, the crisis, mental health, we—eowmw- know, the crisis, mental health, we—eowmw emb- we have in this country and across-west,— we have in this country and across .west,-it. across the west, i find it reebbw— across the west, i find it really remarkable, actually, wbem— really remarkable, actually, when you — really remarkable, actually, when you think— really remarkable, actually, when you think about it, when you— when you think about it, when you rebbeeb— when you think about it, when you reflect-that- you reflect on it, that rebbebowe— religious leaders have offered so religious leaders have offered eo-.— religious leaders have offered eo-. beem— religious leaders have offered eo-. weeb. eo— religious leaders have offered so . yeah, so little. you so little. yeah, so little. you mow.— so little. yeah, so little. you know br— so little. yeah, so little. you know, if-think- so little. yeah, so little. you know, if think about the know, if you think about the meeeeee— know, if you think about the meeeeeelbbe— know, if you think about the message the church, don't message of the church, you don't beve— message of the church, you don't bewe-wbm— message of the church, you don't bewe-wbm be— message of the church, you don't have -with it.-can. have to agree with it. you can belebbebeb. — have to agree with it. you can be.atheist. .the- have to agree with it. you can be atheist. the idea of be an atheist. but the idea of rorebwemeee— be an atheist. but the idea of forgiveness, if— be an atheist. but the idea of forgiveness, if you repent and bowe— forgiveness, if you repent and bowe be— forgiveness, if you repent and bowe belwew— forgiveness, if you repent and love is very powerful and love is a very powerful and beobbe— love is a very powerful and beobwe meee— love is a very powerful and beobwe need—bl love is a very powerful and- people need—i think people need those. and i think wow-re— people need those. and i think were-meb— people need those. and i think you're-that that- people need those. and i think you're that that reflects you're right that that reflects a you're right that that reflects e bwmem— you're right that that reflects a human urge. _ you're right that that reflects a human urge. but even more than that, we should be telling people christ is with them

people that christ is with them in suffering. well, in their suffering. well, actually, i think- " . w; well, actually, i think part in their suffering. well,- actually, i think part-the actually, i think part of the brobbem — actually, i think part of the problem anglican actually, i think part of the- problem -anglican church problem with the anglican church is problem with the anglican church be-ebmoeb— problem with the anglican church is-almost become- problem with the anglican church is-almost become a- is that it's almost become a mmb— is that it's almost become a mmb-ebb— is that it's almost become a kind-cult of— is that it's almost become a kind cult of well—being kind of cult of well—being robber— rather than actually solidly, theologically— rather than actually solidly,l theologically _ so theologically christian and so in theologically christian and so be eome-bb— theologically christian and so in some-it may- theologically christian and so in some it may be they do in some ways it may be they do bebbewe— in some ways it may be they do bebbewe-bbew— in some ways it may be they do believe they catering believe that they are catering to believe that they are catering bo-beebbb- believe that they are catering to - health crisis. - believe that they are catering to health crisis. but to a mental health crisis. but on to a mental health crisis. but om-obber— to a mental health crisis. but on-other hand,- to a mental health crisis. but on other hand, they're not on the other hand, they're not bome— on the other hand, they're not doing-a— on the other hand, they're not doing-a christian- on the other hand, they're not doing a christian way. doing so in a christian way. mew-re— doing so in a christian way. bbew-re-eo— doing so in a christian way. they're-so.kind. doing so in a christian way. they're so kind of they're doing so by kind of trying— they're doing so by kind of. trying—themselves they're doing so by kind of- trying_themselves to trying to conform themselves to mbe— trying to conform themselves to mbe-meb— trying to conform themselves to this-that what- this sort of that what they mmb— this sort of that what they bbbmble— this sort of that what they bbbmble-ob- this sort of that what they think a of popular think is a kind of popular webbmeee— think is a kind of popular wellness motif or something . so wellness motif or something. so it's interesting.— wellness motif or something. so it's interesting. and i think meb— it's interesting. and i think me wow— it's interesting. and i think that you mentioned the birth rebee— that you mentioned the birth rebee meb— that you mentioned the birth rates that mary— that you mentioned the birth rates that mary harrington has beem— rates that mary harrington has been very— rates that mary harrington has been very forthright in pointing out been very forthright in pointing oer meb— been very forthright in pointing out that actually— been very forthright in pointing out that actually that women and bembbbee— out that actually that women and bembbbee m— out that actually that women and families in general— out that actually that women and families in general want to have bbebr— families in general want to have their statistics— families in general want to have their statistics show that we womb— their statistics show that we wem bo — their statistics show that we want to have— their statistics show that we want to have more children than bewbme— want to have more children than bewbme .— want to have more children than we're having . we— want to have more children than we're having . we are we're having. we are a disappointed- we're having. we are a disappointed society in the bewebobbme— disappointed society in the developing world. we are disappointed— developing world. we are disappointed societies because we webb— disappointed societies because we wem bo— disappointed societies because we want to have— disappointed societies because we want to have more children mem— we want to have more children men were— we want to have more children than we're having.— we want to have more children than we're having. and this bo— than we're having. and this bo be— than we're having. and this seems to be something fundamentally broken about the eoebeb— fundamentally broken about the social fabric— fundamentally broken about the social fabric .— fundamentally broken about the social fabric . and— fundamentally broken about the social fabric . and i think that social fabric. and i think that pari— social fabric. and i think that bore ob— social fabric. and i think that bore of meb— social fabric. and i think that part of that is— social fabric. and i think that part of that is and again, it's a part of that is and again, it's e bbb— part of that is and again, it's a bit chicken— part of that is and again, it's a bit chicken or— part of that is and again, it's a bit chicken or egg is to do

wbbb— a bit chicken or egg is to do wbbb me— a bit chicken or egg is to do with the decline— a bit chicken or egg is to do with the decline of religion because, as you _ with the decline of religion because, as you say, religious eommwmbbbee— because, as you say, religious communities do— because, as you say, religious communities do tend to have more ebbborem— communities do tend to have more ebbborem beb— communities do tend to have more ebbborem bub b— communities do tend to have more children. but i think— communities do tend to have more children. but i think that mere-e— children. but i think that there's something more there's something much more fundamental— there's something much more. fundamental—and fundamental going on here and meb— fundamental going on here and bbeb-ebeo— fundamental going on here and bbeb-ebeo-ob- fundamental going on here and that-also-of what. fundamental going on here and that also of what is that that's also part of what is eroobme— that that's also part of what is eroding religion— that that's also part of what is eroding religion as well as rebbebom— eroding religion as well as. religion,-contribute religion, failing to contribute to religion, failing to contribute bo—brobbem. l religion, failing to contribute. to_problem. very to mending the problem. very good.— to mending the problem. very good-be— to mending the problem. very good-bomee- good. that is all very reasonable. between emma reasonable. duel between emma and aaron. thank you both so much now, plenty more much for that. now, plenty more to this afternoon on my to come this afternoon on my common next, common sense crusade. next, we'll the teacher we'll be joined by the teacher who headlines week who hit headlines this week after banned from the after being banned from the profession after addressing a student the incorrect student with the incorrect pronouns . or were they the pronouns. or were they the incorrect pronouns? around pronouns. or were they the iimore ct pronouns? around pronouns. or were they the iimore ct pthis uns? around

the space live across the uk mbe— the space live across the uk bbbe be— the space live across the uk bbbe be ob— the space live across the uk this is gb news— the space live across the uk this is gb news radio. the space live across the uk this is gb news radio . t this is gb news radio. welcome beek— this is gb news radio. welcome beck ro— this is gb news radio. welcome beck be me— this is gb news radio. welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless . my next guest on your wireless. my next guest hit on your wireless. my next guest bbb me— on your wireless. my next guest hit the headlines— on your wireless. my next guest hit the headlines this- bib" . my next guest hit the headlines this week ebber— hit the headlines this week ebber be— hit the headlines this week after he was— hit the headlines this week after he was banned from beeebbme— after he was banned from teaching following an incident bmwobwbme— teaching following an incident involving so—called misgendering of a involving so—called misgendering of e bwbbb— involving so—called misgendering or e bwbbb leading— involving so—called misgendering of a pupil leading authorities to of a pupil leading authorities bo bbeeem— of a pupil leading authorities to discern that— of a pupil leading authorities to discern that he had failed to

weer— to discern that he had failed to breeb e— to discern that he had failed to rreer e bwbbb— to discern that he had failed to treat a pupil with— to discern that he had failed to treat a pupil with dignity and reeoeeb— treat a pupil with dignity and respect. joshua— treat a pupil with dignity and respect. joshua sutcliffe has erbreeeeo— respect. joshua sutcliffe has expressed many— respect. joshua sutcliffe has expressed many views motivated by mbe— expressed many views motivated by his christian— expressed many views motivated by his christian faith throughout- by his christian faith throughout his career in the eoweebbom— throughout his career in the education sector, including wobebme— education sector, including voicing opposition to gay merrbeee— voicing opposition to gay merrbeee .— voicing opposition to gay marriage , which also contributed marriage, which also contributed to marriage, which also contributed bo bbe— marriage, which also contributed to his misconduct— marriage, which also contributed to his misconduct conviction. he bee— to his misconduct conviction. he has continued— to his misconduct conviction. he has continued to— to his misconduct conviction. he has continued to cause a stir mbe— has continued to cause a stir bbbe week— has continued to cause a stir this week after— has continued to cause a stir this week after conducting an bmberwbew— this week after conducting an interview where— this week after conducting an interview where he stated, boobe— interview where he stated, quoter abb— interview where he stated, quote, all sin— interview where he stated, quote, all sin is punishable by beem— quote, all sin is punishable by beebb .— quote, all sin is punishable by beebb . bo— quote, all sin is punishable by beebb . bo ewe— quote, all sin is punishable by death . to give his side of the death. to give his side of the ebon— death. to give his side of the eborw be— death. to give his side of the erorw be me— death. to give his side of the story is the man— death. to give his side of the story is the man himself, joshua sombre.— story is the man himself, joshua swbebbme. we— story is the man himself, joshua sutcliffe. he joins— story is the man himself, joshua sutcliffe. he joins me here in me— sutcliffe. he joins me here in me ebwbbo— sutcliffe. he joins me here in the studio. joshua, first of alb— the studio. joshua, first of ebb. very— the studio. joshua, first of all, very welcome and thank you for being— all, very welcome and thank you for bebme e— all, very welcome and thank you for being a bold— all, very welcome and thank you for being a bold christian and ebembbme— for being a bold christian and eremobme wb— for being a bold christian and standing up for— for being a bold christian and standing up for your beliefs. i oer-b— standing up for your beliefs. i eem-b bmeebme— standing up for your beliefs. i can't imagine it's— standing up for your beliefs. i can't imagine it's been easy can't imagine it's been an easy towmew— can't imagine it's been an easy journey-you— can't imagine it's been an easy towmewlwow over— can't imagine it's been an easy journey you over the last journey for you over the last bew— journey for you over the last few-wo— journey for you over the last few-wo mob- journey for you over the last few-no not at- journey for you over the last few no not at all. journey for you over the last. few-no not at all. but few weeks. no not at all. but memb— few weeks. no not at all. but mmb woe— few weeks. no not at all. but were you eo— few weeks. no not at all. but thank you so much, calvin, for having me on the show. it's a pleasure to join you this evening. i'd like to start by treb— evening. i'd like to start by web giving— evening. i'd like to start by web giving you— evening. i'd like to start by just giving you the- w; i'd like to start by just giving you the air, just giving— just giving you the air, just giving you— just giving you the air, just giving you time, because i understand— giving you time, because i understand you- giving you time, because i understand you had interview understand you had an interview on understand you had an interview om—ebemmeb- understand you had an interview on_channel with. on a competing channel with a memo— on a competing channel with a brbemb ob— on a competing channel with a friend of mine— on a competing channel with a friend of mine who dropped you in friend of mine who dropped you be br— friend of mine who dropped you be bb emb— friend of mine who dropped you in it and tried— friend of mine who dropped you in it and tried to— friend of mine who dropped you in it and tried to get a capture omeb— in it and tried to get a capture omeb oer— in it and tried to get a capture moment out of— in it and tried to get a capture moment out of and kept moment out of you and kept ewbbbme— moment out of you and kept ewrrbme wow— moment out of you and kept cutting you off— moment out of you and kept cutting you off and didn't let you— cutting you off and didn't let wow-bo— cutting you off and didn't let wow-be wbe- cutting you off and didn't let you-i'd like to- cutting you off and didn't let you i'd like to start you speak. so i'd like to start our—

you speak. so i'd like to start owbltweb— you speak. so i'd like to start oer-twee eewbme— you speak. so i'd like to start out just saying your out by just saying it's your bem— out by just saying it's your mmlebeeb— out by just saying it's your bemlebeeb. — out by just saying it's your turn speak. labile out by just saying it's your- turnlspeak. well, thank you, turn to speak. well, thank you, calvin. trying to calvin. i was just trying to explain god is righteous explain that god is righteous and and law is such and holy, and his law is such and holy, and his law is such and one day he judge and that one day he will judge the earth and all of us will will be accountable by god's law. and hope, you know, law. and there's hope, you know, before in the lord jesus before god in the lord jesus christ, sacrificed his christ, who sacrificed his himself for the sake of us so difficult to share all of that. the other evening, as you say. but you know, there is i was trying to just do a broad brush of, you know, everyone has sinned me most of all. and you know, i've taken solace in the lord jesus, who is taken the place for me, taking the punishment for me. so that's what i was trying to explain. and i think thank you so much for giving me the time. not at all. i was sat on the edge of my sofa shouting, christ died on the cross for our sins so we don't have to die because there's that you there's the next bit that you wanted say, but i could hear wanted to say, but i could hear someone else talking you, someone else talking over you, as they do now tell us as they often do now tell us a bit about your story. so you've

been bemmeb— bit about your story. so you've been banned. you've- . . 3 so you've been banned. you've been eweoembeb— been banned. you've been. suspended. - definite suspended. is this in definite ewebemebome— suspended. is this in definite suspension?-a- suspended. is this in definite suspension? a chance to suspension? is there a chance to ebbeebe — suspension? is there a chance to ebbeewe beem— suspension? is there a chance to appeal? yeah-very- suspension? is there a chance to appeal? “bib?" 3 : appeal? yeah. so very sadly, the teaching regulation agency brought against in brought a case against me in recent months, and one of the principal things they found was that i refused to use the pronouns of a student who wanted to socially transition and that was something that i spoke about a lot this week. but there were other things that they found against me, one of which, as you mentioned in your your introduction there, that it within the context of a bible club in the school, i shared the christian position on marriage . christian position on marriage. and that's obviously what you and your panel have been discussing today, that marriage is bedrock of society and is a bedrock of society and important for us to all to flourish and to have that family unit. and that's something we believe as christians , that, you believe as christians, that, you know, i've recently had a son and i can tell you , it's and i can tell you, it's a wonderful thing to be a family. so the christian belief is that marriage is between one man and one woman. it's monogamous, it's

beberoeexweb. — one woman. it's monogamous, it's heterosexual. there's— " it's monogamous, it's heterosexual. there's nothing controversial— heterosexual. there's nothing controversial about that. we've mowe— controversial about that. we've brown-bor— controversial about that. we've known .for 2000 - controversial about that. we've known for 2000 years. well, known that for 2000 years. well, mem — known that for 2000 years. well, more than that,— known that for 2000 years. well, more than that, actually. beeebbw. — more than that, actually. exactly. .what - more than that, actually. exactly. what the more than that, actually.- exactly. .what .the what exactly. so what was the what was_ issue with l was the school's issue with were — was the school's issue with were -bbe- was the school's issue with that? -the school. was the school's issue withi that? -the school the that? well, the school the person within the school who made the decision to shut down the bible club was actually part of a group that opposes that view. and they made the decision to shut down the bible club. and that really was the beginning of a whole process of discussing reinstating the bible club with the school. and then it led to this issue that a lot of people, a lot of your listeners might know about with the so—called misgendering situation . so you misgendering situation. so you didn't misgender you used the child's proper. didn't misgender you used the child's proper . well, yes. if child's proper. well, yes. if you if you believe in truth, if you if you believe in truth, if you believe in biological reality , then you would say that reality, then you would say that i was on one occasion to use the child's proper pronouns, but i thought it was an appropriate compromise to use the student's name because i realised that , name because i realised that, you know, it's a sensitive issue

. but i have said in interviews this week that actually my position would be to not affirm students in school who wish to socially transition , but that's socially transition, but that's just my view on that. but but it seems like not all views are equal , seems like not all views are equal, particularly in the school that you worked in. but i find that more broader- school that you worked in. but i find that more broader in- find that more broader in ebweebbom— find that more broader in education in— find that more broader in education in general. are you a rwbbeeb— education in general. are you a typical teacher? _ education in general. are you a typical teacher? i'm just a simple teacher, a simple maths teacher, but i have got, you know, a faith in the lord jesus and i'm a christian and i'm happy to speak about christian things outside of the classroom. in fact, i enjoy those things and that side of life very much. but but is it possible to be a christian and a teacher? well, this is the crux of the case, i think. calvin, is it possible to be a christian in the public sphere and that's why we'll be appealing to the high court, hoping that christians , you hoping that christians, you know, aren't at the bottom of the chain and that we kind of are able to voice our christian views , you know, in appropriate

views, you know, in appropriate context . you know, i do context. you know, i do recognise that i was employed to teach maths and it came out in the hearing that i did teach maths and i had good reviews and the students who were giving evidence against me said i taught maths well , evidence against me said i taught maths well, but is there is there a place for christians in our society? and as you said, we're a bit, you know, we're a theocracy in theory. we've just ordained the king who said he'd serve god and you know, so in theory , we're a christian theory, we're a christian country and i'm hoping that justice is seen in in my case. thank you, joshua. i'm going to brbme— thank you, joshua. i'm going to bring my— thank you, joshua. i'm going to bring my dualists_ thank you, joshua. i'm going to bring my dualists into this. bmme— bring my dualists into this. bmme. br— bring my dualists into this. emma, it seems- bring my dualists into this. emma, it seems to me that the cbrbebbem— emma, it seems to me that the christian with— emma, it seems to me that the christian with christian views , christian with christian views, wbebber— christian with christian views, whether they're _ christian with christian views, whether they're in a christian eeboob— whether they're in a christian eeboob or— whether they're in a christian school or not,— whether they're in a christian school or not, is— whether they're in a christian school or not, is not allowed to beeee— school or not, is not allowed to ebeee bboee — school or not, is not allowed to express those-or- school or not, is not allowed to express those or live express those views or live bboee—vowi express those views or live- bboee—wow bewe those views anymore. you have to bemo— those views anymore. you have to beee—ob— those views anymore. you have to beee—ob me— bend to the will of the metorbrw — bend to the will of the majority, which is the new woke beberoooxw. — majority, which is the new woke beberoooxw. -eo- heterodoxy. what's so interesting - heterodoxy. what's so interesting to me about this is meb— interesting to me about this is me bbrebbw— interesting to me about this is that firstly to _ interesting to me about this is that firstly to me— interesting to me about this is that firstly to me it seems to be straightforward person . be straightforward person. beem— be straightforward person. beebem mbe— be straightforward person. lucian this is— be straightforward person. lucian this is a— be straightforward person. lucian this is a violation of youn lucian this is a violation of your, your religious freedom,

your, your religious freedom, your freedom of conscience choice, as well as your freedom of expression . so fundamentally of expression. so fundamentally it seems to be a violation of those very, very fundamental principles in a free society . principles in a free society. second to that, i think, is interesting here is that the issue seems to be the claim that you are preaching in school, that you are teaching ideas that are not suitable for the classroom . um, yet at the same classroom. um, yet at the same time, we know that our classrooms are absolutely full of contested ideologies. in fact , this very ideology, this idea of affirmation, is itself contested . and, and so that contested. and, and so that seems to me to come down to this issue that we discussed in a previous week's, that there is a safeguarding concern around the very issue of affirmation , very issue of affirmation, whether or not it is safe to have a policy of affirmation that might lead children towards medical transition without a proper consideration of the of the truth, the facts of the case. is this a safeguarding

concern? aaron— case. is this a safeguarding concern? aaron i— t is this a safeguarding concern? aaron i shared a tweet booew— concern? aaron i shared a tweet bobew om— concern? aaron i shared a tweet today on twitter— concern? aaron i shared a tweet today on twitter that showed to bobby— today on twitter that showed to bebbw webb— today on twitter that showed to daily mail headlines. one was roebwe-e— daily mail headlines. one was roebwe-e ee— daily mail headlines. one was joshua's case where he's been ewebembeo— joshua's case where he's been suspended indefinitely. one was a suspended indefinitely. one was eeomwbebeo— suspended indefinitely. one was a convicted groomer, a teacher wbo— a convicted groomer, a teacher who beb— a convicted groomer, a teacher who had groomed— a convicted groomer, a teacher who had groomed a 17 year old ebb.— who had groomed a 17 year old girlr gob— who had groomed a 17 year old girlr gob rwo— who had groomed a 17 year old girl, got two year— who had groomed a 17 year old girl, got two year suspension. it girl, got two year suspension. bb eeeme— girl, got two year suspension. bb bo— girl, got two year suspension. it seems to me— girl, got two year suspension. it seems to me that there's a obbberemee— it seems to me that there's a difference in— it seems to me that there's a difference in our— it seems to me that there's a difference in our values in the ebweebbom— difference in our values in the education sphere— difference in our values in the education sphere at the moment, meb— education sphere at the moment, the grooming— education sphere at the moment, that grooming gets— education sphere at the moment, that grooming gets two years bemmeo— that grooming gets two years bemmeb emb— that grooming gets two years banned and being a christian eebe— banned and being a christian eere wow— banned and being a christian gets you banned— banned and being a christian gets you banned life. is gets you banned for life. is mere— gets you banned for life. is there something going on here? gets you banned for life. is thwthisromething going on here? gets you banned for life. is thwthis an ething going on here? gets you banned for life. is thwthis an antiig going on here? gets you banned for life. is thwthis an anti christianyn here? gets you banned for life. is thwthis an anti christian orhere? is this an anti christian or cbrbebobber— is this an anti christian or christopher phobic situation? me— christopher phobic situation?- bbe—ewmb. the grooming thing sounds awful. i'm the grooming thing sounds awful. b-m-rembbber— the grooming thing sounds awful. i'm-familiar with— the grooming thing sounds awful. i'm .familiar with the- i'm not familiar with the details that, but that sounds details of that, but that sounds an what an unacceptable outcome. what i'd to circle here for i'd want to circle back here for the people who are the audience, people who are listening, watching, they're not quite sure what they what quite sure what they think. what we is a civil we have here is a civil liberties issue and you've got competing regards to competing claims with regards to freedoms liberties . my freedoms and civil liberties. my view maybe some people view is, and maybe some people here is that here disagree with it, is that somebody has the right to the pronoun they want to be called by. as i understand it, by. and as i understand it, initially when you were suspend id, was an agreement you id, there was an agreement you would back that the would come back and that the child move into a child would move into a different class. and i thought, that sounds sensible

that sounds like a sensible agreement, because there's agreement, but because there's competing sort of civil liberties there, you have a right to freedom of expression. but has but obviously the child has a right labelled as they see right to be labelled as they see fit. and, you know, there's a competing sort of class clash of interests there. and so i thought that was a good move. but they've claimed is but then what they've claimed is that then divulge the that you then divulge the details of that child to a third party, which a breach data party, which is a breach of data privacy etcetera . and privacy and gdpr, etcetera. and that's you were subsequently that's why you were subsequently given the boot. now, again, i don't know this. i'm reading this through the mail on sunday of course, but i think it is important to say that there are competing civil liberties interests here. i would even eomeeeo— interests here. i would even concede that— interests here. i would even concede that ground.- “wiii; i would even concede that ground. darren. i wowbom-b— concede that ground. darren. i wowbbm-b eew— concede that ground. darren. i wouldn't say no. _ concede that ground. darren. i wouldn't say no. i know you wouldn't, but that's what i preferred pronouns or no, sure. but that's what i think because mbe— but that's what i think because bbbe be— but that's what i think because bbbe be e— but that's what i think because this is a child— but that's what i think because this is a child to— but that's what i think because this is a child to an extent, wee. — this is a child to an extent, wee. beb— this is a child to an extent, yes. but then _ this is a child to an extent, yes. but then we- this is a child to an extent, yes. but then we have, for instance, in this country, what would be? well, you say would that be? well, you say it's a child, but we treat criminal criminal responsibility. for instance, in criminal criminal respcountryy. for instance, in criminal criminal respcountryy. at' instance, in criminal criminal respcountryy. at ten. ance, in criminal criminal respcountryy. at ten. so e, in criminal criminal respcountryy. at ten. so we're this country is at ten. so we're quite flexible on you want quite flexible on what you want to as a child. i mean,

to refer to as a child. i mean, if you want to say that they can choose their pronouns ten, choose their pronouns at ten, then fine, we have then fine, we can have that debate. clearly, i think debate. but but clearly, i think we that individuals can. i we say that individuals can. i think anyway, can determine what pronouns wish use. now, pronouns they wish to use. now, people watching people might disagree watching this, going this, but other people i'm going to joshua to finish to come to joshua to finish because a teacher and because i also was a teacher and i've bratty children that i've had bratty children that would wanted me to call would have wanted me to call them a potato just to wind up them a potato just to wind me up and bend those rules. and just to bend those rules. is it appropriate for a child is ituiappropriate for a child to is it appropriate for a child to obebebe— is it appropriate for a child to dictate what— is it appropriate for a child to dictate what-call- is it appropriate for a child to dictate what call them? well, dictate what we call them? well, mere— dictate what we call them? well, mere wbeb— dictate what we call them? well, mere wbeb b— dictate what we call them? well, that's what i thought you that's what i thought when you membbomeo— that's what i thought when you mentioned _you mentioned that aaron was, you mow.— mentioned that aaron was, you mow-wow— mentioned that aaron was, you bmow-wow brew- mentioned that aaron was, you know, you draw then? know, where do you draw then? brew— know, where do you draw then? brew obe— know, where do you draw then? draw the line?— know, where do you draw then? draw the line? .they - know, where do you draw then? draw the line?.they come- know, where do you draw then? draw the line? do they come in as tigers and potatoes and you know, i think within the school you to try and upheld the you need to try and upheld the truth. and i recognised, you know, you know, transgender people, you know, transgender people, you know a gender know, attain a gender recognition certificate once they've lived in that gender for two years as an adult. but as you know , children, i feel like you know, children, i feel like , you know, your other panellists mentioned it. kelvin i'm sorry , i'm going to have to i'm sorry, i'm going to have to wind that up there. thank you very moem— wind that up there. thank you very much. that— wind that up there. thank you very much. that was- r: .. ."biil”biil thank you very much. that was joshua seeme— very much. that was joshua sutcliffe. emma— very much. that was joshua sutcliffe. emma webb and aaron beebemb— sutcliffe. emma webb and aaron beebemb-more— sutcliffe. emma webb and aaron bastani.-more to- sutcliffe. emma webb and aaron bastani. more to come bastani. plenty more to come

mbe— bastani. plenty more to come bbbe ewembme— bastani. plenty more to come this evening on— bastani. plenty more to come this evening on common sense this evening on my common sense emeeeb webb— this evening on my common sense emeeeb we-bb be— this evening on my common sense crusade. we'll be joined by the brbbbeb—beol british muslim man who led a demonstration— british muslim man who led a demonstration-a- demonstration outside a birmingham— demonstration outside a birmingham week over birmingham cinema this week over a birmingham cinema this week over e-be— birmingham cinema this week over e-be beemeo— a film that he deemed islamophobic. are their concerns webbmeee— islamophobic. are their concerns justified? .we'll_ islamophobic. are their concerns justified? .we'll be- islamophobic. are their concerns justified? we'll be delving justified? plus we'll be delving beek— justified? plus we'll be delving beeb bebo— justified? plus we'll be delving back into the— justified? plus we'll be delving back into the shocking new reborb— back into the shocking new report-shows- back into the shocking new report shows the stark report that shows the stark beebbme— report that shows the stark decline .faith _ report that shows the stark decline .faith in - report that shows the stark decline faith in britain. decline of faith in britain. beek— decline of faith in britain. beeb wbbb— decline of faith in britain. back with - a - decline of faith in britain. back with a minute

britain's news. channel iwebeome— britain's news. channel iwelcome back- britain's news. channel l welcome back to - britain's news. channel welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend robinson on your reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. a of british muslims a group of british muslims caused a stir this week after holding a demonstration outside a screening of a bollywood film in . the kerala in birmingham. the kerala story has been slammed by some muslims. critics for its portrayal of islamic culture in the epinomis southern indian state , which in itself has state, which in itself has triggered backlash from defenders of freedom of speech and expression. so where should the lines between free speech and islamophobia be drawn and

are protesters justified ? are protesters justified? joining me now is my sidekick, emma webb , and my other emma webb, and my other sidekick, aaron bastani . aaron i sidekick, aaron bastani. aaron i would say that this is entirely a free speech issue . there is no a free speech issue. there is no such thing as islamophobia . and such thing as islamophobia. and if there is, this isn't it right? well, there's a lot of ebebme— right? well, there's a lot of ebebme .— right? well, there's a lot of ebebme . b— right? well, there's a lot of claims . i mean,— right? well, there's a lot of claims . i mean, we- ” 927 well, there's a lot of claims . i mean, we don't have a claims. i mean, we don't have a ebow— claims. i mean, we don't have a ebow. beb— claims. i mean, we don't have a ebow. bub be— claims. i mean, we don't have a show, but is there— claims. i mean, we don't have a show, but is there an islamophobia? i don't think this is islamophobia.— islamophobia? i don't think this is islamophobia. i— islamophobia? i don't think this is islamophobia. i do think the bbbm— is islamophobia. i do think the bbbm ebowbb— is islamophobia. i do think the film should be— is islamophobia. i do think the film should be allowed to screen. i don't— film should be allowed to screen. i don't think that for a omeb — screen. i don't think that for a moment. obviously, these people beve— moment. obviously, these people bewe e— moment. obviously, these people bewe e webb— moment. obviously, these people bewe e rbebb bo— moment. obviously, these people have a right to protest. it's bmbereebbmo— have a right to protest. it's interesting, article. interesting, the article. this oer-b— interesting, the article. this. eem-b—eeberebe interesting, the article. this. can't|to_separate interesting, the article. this can't to protest separate interesting, the article. this can't to protest to separate interesting, the article. this can't to protest to and eparate interesting, the article. this can't to protest to and say'ate interesting, the article. this can't to protest to and say ite thing to protest to and say it can-t— thing to protest to and say it can-t go— thing to protest to and say it can't go ahead.— thing to protest to and say it can't go ahead. but the film itself— can't go ahead. but the film itself has— can't go ahead. but the film itself has actually and i would implore— itself has actually and i would implore your— itself has actually and i would implore your audience sort of implore your audience to sort of read—about- implore your audience to sort of read—about this. - implore your audience to sort of read—about this. it. read a little bit about this. it is ciaiming— read a little bit about this. it is claiming to— read a little bit about this. it is claiming to be— read a little bit about this. it is claiming to be based upon iiue— is claiming to be based upon iiue-iui— is claiming to be based upon true-but it's- is claiming to be based upon true-but it's not- true events, but it's not remoieiy— true events, but it's not remotely accurate . so, for remotely accurate. so, for ineeneei— remotely accurate. so, for instance, like _ remotely accurate. so, for instance, like every other film, weii—iiei- instance, like every other film, well, _that 32,000 l well, it's saying that 32,000 peepie— well, it's saying that 32,000 peepie in— well, it's saying that 32,000 people in kerala— well, it's saying that 32,000 people in kerala joined isis when— people in kerala joined isis when actually— people in kerala joined isis when actually in reality it was eieui— when actually in reality it was eieui i— when actually in reality it was eieui i io— when actually in reality it was about 1 to 200— when actually in reality it was about i to 200 indians joined isis— about i to 200 indians joined isis eni— about i to 200 indians joined isis eee ii-e— about i to 200 indians joined isis and it's been condemned by the isis and it's been condemned by iiie iniien— isis and it's been condemned by the indian congress party in iniie. — the indian congress party in iniie. liai— the indian congress party in india..had to— the indian congress party in india. had to remove some of india. it had to remove some of its promotional—

india. it had to remove some of its promotional materials because— its promotional materials because-was- its promotional materials - because -was i inaccurate. its promotional materials- becél se-wainnaccurate. its promotional materials becél think was inaccurate. its promotional materials becél think the /as inaccurate. its promotional materials becél think the issue inaccurate. its promotional materials becél think the issue is accurate. its promotional materials becél think the issue is peoplez. and i think the issue is people wii— and i think the issue is people wiii ge— and i think the issue is people wiii ge io— and i think the issue is people will go to watch— and i think the issue is people will go to watch this film. i'm iiie— will go to watch this film. i'm iike, you-ve— will go to watch this film. i'm like, you've sort— will go to watch this film. i'm like, you've sort of hinted at mere,— like, you've sort of hinted at iiieie, ii-e— like, you've sort of hinted at iiieie, ii-e e— like, you've sort of hinted at there, it's a dramatisation and it's there, it's a dramatisation and ii-e being— there, it's a dramatisation and it's being presented as fact. so how— it's being presented as fact. so how is— it's being presented as fact. so how is iiie— it's being presented as fact. so how is this any— it's being presented as fact. so how is this any different to the crowne— how is this any different to the crown? that's _ how is this any different to the crown? that's a— how is this any different to the crown? that's a good point. but i crown? that's a good point. but i suppose— crown? that's a good point. but i euppeee ii— crown? that's a good point. but i euppeee ii you— crown? that's a good point. but i suppose if you were if you had eemeiiine— i suppose if you were if you had something like— i suppose if you were if you had something like the— i suppose if you were if you had something like the crown, which was something like the crown, which peieniieiiy— something like the crown, which was potentially stirring sectarian— was potentially stirring sectarian and was potentially stirring- sectarian-and enmity, sectarian dislike and enmity, iien— sectarian dislike and enmity, iiien i— sectarian dislike and enmity, iiien i iiink— sectarian dislike and enmity, then i think it'd— sectarian dislike and enmity, then i think it'd be interesting conversation. _ then i think it'd be interesting conversation. i— then i think it'd be interesting conversation. i think that conversation. i don't think that means-dent— conversation. i don't think that means-don't-it.- means you don't screen it. i tink— means you don't screen it. i iiink you— means you don't screen it. i think you broadcast means you don't screen it. i. think you -broadcast it think you probably broadcast it wiii— think you probably broadcast it wiii-iiie— think you probably broadcast it wiii-iiie ie- think you probably broadcast it with -this is a- with a caveat. this is a dramatisation.- with a caveat. this is a dramatisation. this is not a ieei— dramatisation. this is not a ieei iiie— dramatisation. this is not a real life story,— dramatisation. this is not a real life story, okay? it's like eating,— real life story, okay? it's like eating-knew,— real life story, okay? it's like saying, know, contextualise saying, you know, contextualise it. saying, you know, contextualise ii. i— saying, you know, contextualise ii. i-ee.— saying, you know, contextualise ii. i-ee. ii-e— saying, you know, contextualise it. i-so. it's like- saying, you know, contextualise it. i-so. it's like it's- it. i think so. it's like it's iike— it. i think so. it's like it's like watching— it. i think so. it's like it's like watching rambo and tinting,— like watching rambo and thinking, actually there's one guy—the- thinking, actually there's one guy—ite eniiiel guy who took on the entire ieueeien— guy who took on the entire russian army— guy who took on the entire russian army in- guy who took on the entire russian army in afghanistan in the—nonsense.- russian army in afghanistan in the—nonsense. but. the 1980s. it's nonsense. but its— the 1980s. it's nonsense. but ii-e—iiei- the 1980s. it's nonsense. but it's-that and- the 1980s. it's nonsense. but. it's-that and saying, it's like doing that and saying, weii—ieeeil it's like doing that and saying, well,_based onj well, actually this is based on a well, actually this is based on e-eieiy. — well, actually this is based on e-eieiy. euiie— well, actually this is based on a story. quite dangerous as a true story. quite dangerous as wet,— a true story. quite dangerous as wet, given— a true story. quite dangerous as wet, given me— a true story. quite dangerous as well, given the broader peiiiiee— well, given the broader politics. emma, well, given the broader. politics-emma, to well, given the broader- politics.-emma, to add politics. i think, emma, to add eeeee-i— politics. i think, emma, to add eemee-i wiei- politics. i think, emma, to add some -to what i- politics. i think, emma, to add some to what i said some clarity to what i said eeiiiei— some clarity to what i said earlier, islamophobia is earlier, i think islamophobia is a earlier, i think islamophobia is e—eiien— earlier, i think islamophobia is e—eiien ueei- earlier, i think islamophobia is a_often used to- earlier, i think islamophobia isi a_often used to shut a word that's often used to shut down— a word that's often used to shut down ieieie— a word that's often used to shut down debate, to— a word that's often used to shut down debate, to shut down free speech. —tiis- down debate, to shut down free speech. _this is. speech. and i think this is a prime example of that. absolutely. it's a euphemism prime example of that. - absolutely. it's a euphemism for iieepiemy— absolutely. it's a euphemism for blasphemy requirements, isn't it? 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blasphemy requirements, isn't iii—iiiime it? i mean, we've seen it time eni— it? i mean, we've seen it time eee-again.— it? i mean, we've seen it time eee-agein- vie- it? i mean, we've seen it time and-again. we saw- it? i mean, we've seen it time and again. we saw it with and time again. we saw it with cieiiie— and time again. we saw it with charlie hebdo._ and time again. we saw it with charlie hebdo. those cartoons eppereniiy— charlie hebdo. those cartoons were apparently blasphemous. so some—they! some people thought that they were—murder.- some people thought that they were_murder..al were entitled to murder. as a resin— were entitled to murder. as a reset-mei— were entitled to murder. as a result.that,.saw- were entitled to murder. as a result that, saw the result of that, we saw the same itine— result of that, we saw the same mine-ite— result of that, we saw the same iiine-iie-ei- result of that, we saw the same thing the of heaven, thing with the lady of heaven, wiiei— thing with the lady of heaven, wiiei wee— thing with the lady of heaven, which was another film that was eiui— which was another film that was eiui iewn. — which was another film that was eiui down. i— which was another film that was shut down. i believe also the. same _were behind shut down. i believe also the- same _were behind this same people who were behind this pieieei— protest were also leading that pieieei—we- protest were also leading that protest—we have. protest as well. so we have groupe— protest as well. so we have groups-eeeme- protest as well. so we have groups people at home and groups of people at home and eiee— groups of people at home and also-because- groups of people at home and also because we've seen also abroad because we've seen iiie— also abroad because we've seen tie-eases,— also abroad because we've seen this-cases, danish- this in many cases, danish eeeenii— this in many cases, danish cartoon as salman cartoon affairs, as salman rushdie.— cartoon affairs, as salman. rushdie—wee rushdie. obviously, that was a pieiiem — rushdie. obviously, that was a pieiiem iiei— rushdie. obviously, that was a problem that never went away because— problem that never went away because - recently - because he was recently eiieekeei— because he was recently. attacked, _the because he was recently- attacked,_the fatwa attacked, even though the fatwa was attacked, even though the fatwa pui— attacked, even though the fatwa puiliie— attacked, even though the fatwa was put-his head.— attacked, even though the fatwa was put his head. many was put on his head. many many years—is— was put on his head. many many years—is e- was put on his head. many many years—is a problem. years ago. so this is a problem iiei— years ago. so this is a problem iiei-nei— years ago. so this is a problem iiei-nei gene— years ago. so this is a problem that not gone away. and that has not gone away. and islamophobia— that has not gone away. and islamophobia is— that has not gone away. and islamophobia is a is has essentially— islamophobia is a is has essentially become a term used to essentially become a term used ie preveni— essentially become a term used to prevent criticisms of muslims to prevent criticisms of muslims ie preveni— to prevent criticisms of muslims ie preveni peepie— to prevent criticisms of muslims to prevent people from even eiiieiie— to prevent people from even artistic expression that some peepie— artistic expression that some peepie ini— artistic expression that some people find offensive. and so it's people find offensive. and so its ieeeme— people find offensive. and so it's become a— people find offensive. and so it's become a kind of shield were— it's become a kind of shield were when— it's become a kind of shield word when actually what they ie iiie— word when actually what they mean is this cartoon is blasphemous. they say it's offensive.— blasphemous. they say it's offensive. they— blasphemous. they say it's offensive. they say it's islamophobic. what they mean is it's blasphemous.— islamophobic. what they mean is it's blasphemous. if you if you say— it's blasphemous. if you if you eat something,— it's blasphemous. if you if you say something, miss , portray say something, miss, portray eemeiiine— say something, miss, portray eemeiiine in— say something, miss, portray something in relation to the iiepiei— something in relation to the prophet muhammad or something

eieui— prophet muhammad or something eieui-iiueiim— prophet muhammad or somethingi about-muslim_that about the muslim community that eeriein—iike. - about the muslim community that certain—like. it's- certain people don't like. it's iieepiemeue— certain people don't like. it's blasphemousiit's- certain people don't like. it's blasphemous it's islamophobic. blasphemous. it's islamophobic. okay. — blasphemous. it's islamophobic. okay. -ge— blasphemous. it's islamophobic. okay. -ge ee— blasphemous. it's islamophobic. okay. -ge to tie— blasphemous. it's islamophobic. okay. .go to the man- okay. let's go to the man himself. now by the himself. i'm now joined by the man led the protest, shakeel man who led the protest, shakeel afzal. for afzal. shakeel, thank you for joining appreciate you joining us. i appreciate you giving time. could giving us your time. could you please tell us why you're protesting the film? well, we are protesting the film? well, we pieieeiine— protesting the film? well, we are protesting the— protesting the film? well, we are protesting the film - g �*" 7 well, we are protesting the film on the ieeiuei— are protesting the film on the factual basis— are protesting the film on the factual basis that it's a film to factual basis that it's a film ie ineiie— factual basis that it's a film to incite violence against iiueiime— to incite violence against muslims and— to incite violence against muslims and kashmiris. to incite violence against muslims and kashmiris . we are muslims and kashmiris. we are pieieeiine— muslims and kashmiris. we are protesting because we feel strongly— protesting because we feel eiiengiy ieei— protesting because we feel strongly feel that this film is propaganda— strongly feel that this film is propaganda .— strongly feel that this film is propaganda . and i'm sure my dear propaganda. and i'm sure my dear friends— propaganda. and i'm sure my dear friends ani— propaganda. and i'm sure my dear friends and other— propaganda. and i'm sure my dear friends and other people on the panei— friends and other people on the panei iiai— friends and other people on the paaei iiiai yea— friends and other people on the panel that you all— friends and other people on the panel that you all will agree wiii. — panel that you all will agree wiii. weai-e— panel that you all will agree with. what's taking place today in iniia— with. what's taking place today in iniia wiiii— with. what's taking place today in india with 300— with. what's taking place today in india with 300 christian eiaieiiee— in india with 300 christian churches being— in india with 300 christian churches being burnt down by hindu— churches being burnt down by hindu extremists— churches being burnt down by hindu extremists , i think it hindu extremists, i think it iaei— hindu extremists, i think it just reinforces— hindu extremists, i think it just reinforces the fact of why crying. — just reinforces the fact of why crying. vie— just reinforces the fact of why we're crying. we are crying ieeaaee— we're crying. we are crying because we feel- we're crying. we are crying because we feel that this film premeiee— because we feel that this film premeiee iie— because we feel that this film promotes the lynching of people and tie— promotes the lynching of people and the lynching— promotes the lynching of people and the lynching of innocent peepie— and the lynching of innocent peepie .— and the lynching of innocent peepie . iieei— and the lynching of innocent people . most recently, there was people. most recently, there was a ie— people. most recently, there was a ie yea— people. most recently, there was a ie yea eii— people. most recently, there was a 16 year old boy— people. most recently, there was a 16 year old boy who just happened— a 16 year old boy who just nappenei ia— a 16 year old boy who just happened to fall in love with a hindu— happened to fall in love with a hindu pini— happened to fall in love with a hindu girl, and— happened to fall in love with a hindu girl, and he was killed ani— hindu girl, and he was killed and pinea— hindu girl, and he was killed and buried in— hindu girl, and he was killed and buried in their front yard ieeanee— and buried in their front yard ieeanee ne— and buried in their front yard because he loved her. we are not

apainei— because he loved her. we are not against freedom _ because he loved her. we are not against freedom of— because he loved her. we are not against freedom of speech, but nnen— against freedom of speech, but nnen a— against freedom of speech, but nnen a fin— against freedom of speech, but when a film is— against freedom of speech, but when a film is inciting violence apainei— when a film is inciting violence apainei a— when a film is inciting violence against a community, how could we saw— against a community, how could we eiaw eiieni— against a community, how could we stay silent to _ against a community, how could we stay silent to that? we will not we stay silent to that? we will nei eiaw— we stay silent to that? we will not stay silent— we stay silent to that? we will not stay silent to _ we stay silent to that? we will not stay silent to any other ineiieneni— not stay silent to any other incitement of— not stay silent to any other incitement of any other eennwniw— incitement of any other community like i've just mentioned,— community like i've just mentioned, our christian peeinen— mentioned, our christian brothers who— mentioned, our christian brothers who are being persecuted _ brothers who are being persecuted at the hands of the bjp — persecuted at the hands of the bjp ae— persecuted at the hands of the bjp as we— persecuted at the hands of the bjp as we speak.— persecuted at the hands of the bjp as we speak. this is happening-— bjp as we speak. this is happening- so- bjp as we speak. this is happening. so this is a film inai— happening. so this is a film inai wen— happening. so this is a film that you don't— happening. so this is a film that you don't like. what ente— that you don't like. what outcome are— that you don't like. what outcome are you trying to protest? and you're not really protesting, are you? you're disrupting is what you're doing. you're cinema shouting so you're in the cinema shouting so people longer watch the people can no longer watch the film. what is your end goal? do you people should be you think people should not be allowed watch this film allowed to watch this film because don't the because you don't like the stance? every film, stance? and every film, every piece of production has a political has some kind of stance to it. you don't like this therefore, do this stance. so therefore, do you people in the uk you think people in the uk should able pay money should not be able to pay money to go and watch it? i'm quite perplexed, actually. my stance on the situation— perplexed, actually. my stance on the situation is— perplexed, actually. my stance on the situation is the- : f my stance on the situation is the same etae— on the situation is the same etae tnat— on the situation is the same stance that news when stance that gb news had when we had stance that gb news had when we nan—atten— stance that gb news had when we nan—etnen pine. - had the issue of other girls. in — had the issue of other girls. in -peipiexet- had the issue of other girls. i'm perplexed how i'm actually perplexed how wenneit— i'm actually perplexed how yourself-panel- i'm actually perplexed how yourself panel is yourself and the panel is wiiiine— yourself and the panel is willing-agree- yourself and the panel is willing agree with me. sorry

willing to agree with me. sorry i willing to agree with me. sorry i nave— willing to agree with me. sorry i nave ta,— willing to agree with me. sorry i have to, with— willing to agree with me. sorry i have to, with all— willing to agree with me. sorry i have to, with all due respect, sav— i have to, with all due respect, eaw tne— i have to, with all due respect, eaw tne panei— i have to, with all due respect, say the panel is— i have to, with all due respect, say the panel is willing to agree— say the panel is willing to agree tnat— say the panel is willing to agree that hindu adults who join isis agree that hindu adults who join isis enenit— agree that hindu adults who join isis should be— agree that hindu adults who join isis should be given more pnwitepe,— isis should be given more privilege, but— isis should be given more privilege, but children from uk, naneiw— privilege, but children from uk, namely shamima_ privilege, but children from uk, namely shamima begum , who were namely shamima begum, who were teamed,— namely shamima begum, who were greenet, wne— namely shamima begum, who were pteenet, wne wee— namely shamima begum, who were groomed, who were groomed as entitien— groomed, who were groomed as eniitnen ae— groomed, who were groomed as children, are not— groomed, who were groomed as children, are not given that same privilege.— children, are not given that same privilege. i'm so i'm sure it wa— same privilege. i'm so i'm sure it an— same privilege. i'm so i'm sure it en new— same privilege. i'm so i'm sure it was gb news who spoke up against— it was gb news who spoke up against itana— it was gb news who spoke up against rana tikka against bbc news,— against rana tikka against bbc wewe wne— against rana tikka against bbc news, who made— against rana tikka against bbc news, who made a podcast. i ten-t— news, who made a podcast. i don't understand— news, who made a podcast. i don't understand the narrative wne— don't understand the narrative yue witiine— don't understand the narrative you're willing to— don't understand the narrative you're willing to support. vane— you're willing to support. you're willing— you're willing to support. you're willing to. you're wiiiine— you're willing to. you're witiinp ta— you're willing to. you're willing to support adult hindus wne— willing to support adult hindus wna want— willing to support adult hindus wna want ta— willing to support adult hindus who want to join— willing to support adult hindus who want to join isis and who are criminals,— who want to join isis and who are criminals, but— who want to join isis and who are criminals, but you do not want— are criminals, but you do not want ta— are criminals, but you do not want ta epeat— are criminals, but you do not want to speak for— are criminals, but you do not want to speak for shamima begum, who want to speak for shamima begum, wna we— want to speak for shamima begum, wna piaanet— want to speak for shamima begum, who was groomed as— want to speak for shamima begum, who was groomed as a child. stap— who was groomed as a child. step, etap. — who was groomed as a child. step, etap. inn— who was groomed as a child. stop, stop. g stop, stop. i'm happy to give you air time to answer the questions. but then you need to answer questions. answer the questions. what you're doing right now is whataboutery. gb news does not have personally have a stance. i personally have a i'm to give you a stance. i'm happy to give you that if you want it, but that stance if you want it, but i'm get your stance and i'm here to get your stance and what asking is, are you what i'm asking is, are you saying no one the uk in saying that? no one in the uk in a capitalist country should be able to pay to go see a film

able to pay to go to see a film that you like? i think that you don't like? i think what i feel is we should unearth the fact of the double standard that exists. the fact that you wanti— that exists. the fact that you wanit never— that exists. the fact that you would never have— that exists. the fact that you would never have a- nix the fact that you would never have a anti—hindu tin,— would never have a anti—hindu tin—nave- would never have a anti—hindu film,_have the. film, you will never have the anti — film, you will never have the anti-tin. — film, you will never have the anti-film. but-isl film, you will never have thei anti-film. but-is it anti jewish film. but why is it away— anti jewish film. but why is it ataw ta— anti jewish film. but why is it okay ta nave— anti jewish film. but why is it okay to have an— anti jewish film. but why is it okay to have an anti—muslim film again?— okay to have an anti—muslim film again? whataboutery. again? it's whataboutery. but it's again? it's whataboutery. but it-e—teaanee- again? it's whataboutery. but it's—because whyl again? it's whataboutery. butl it's—because why is it's also untrue because why is it's also untrue because why is it it's whataboutery it sorry, it's whataboutery again, untrue. again, but it's also untrue. i'm again, but it's also untrue. i'm a neil kinnock. it's a big fan of neil kinnock. it's not. it's not untrue. gb views. gb news. not. it's not untrue. gb views. an wewe. witn— not. it's not untrue. gb views. gb news. with all— not. it's not untrue. gb views. gb news. with all due- c c. gb views. gb news. with all due respect, canva— gb news. with all due respect, conva sensations— gb news. with all due respect, conva sensations usually work by going— conva sensations usually work by paint-att— conva sensations usually work by paint-an tne— conva sensations usually work by going all due respect, going to. with all due respect, witn— going to. with all due respect, win-tne— going to. with all due respect, witnitne-wan- going to. with all due respect, with-due-you sayi with all due respect, you say witn— with all due respect, you say with - respect. - with all due respect, you say with-respect. - with all due respect, you say. with-respect. .then with all due respect. but then anew— with all due respect. but then anew-na— with all due respect. but then show no because show me no respect because you're talking from it. gb news sorry. the sounds— you're talking from it. gb news sorry. the sounds of— you're talking from it. gb news sorry. the sounds of it- ”it; g 0 gb news sorry. the sounds of it delayed. sorry. the sounds of it delayed. sa-ie— sorry. the sounds of it delayed. sa-ie ataw— sorry. the sounds of it delayed. sa-ie ataw ta- sorry. the sounds of it delayed. so is okay to support so gb news is okay to support atnit— so gb news is okay to support atnit winin— so gb news is okay to support adult hindu women who the adult hindu women who in the conscious .their_ adult hindu women who in the conscious their mind, want to conscious of their mind, want to join— conscious of their mind, want to iain isis— conscious of their mind, want to iain tats-ane— conscious of their mind, want to join isis-are not— conscious of their mind, want to join isis are not willing to join isis but are not willing to enppan— join isis but are not willing to support shamima was support shamima begum, who was a entit— support shamima begum, who was a eniit-wae— support shamima begum, who was a child-was groomed?— support shamima begum, who was a child was groomed? no. come child who was groomed? no. come on child who was groomed? no. come an-wat— child who was groomed? no. come an-wat at— child who was groomed? no. come an-wat at an. — child who was groomed? no. come on-not at all. come- child who was groomed? no. come on not at all. iii" on guys. not at all. come on, guys— on guys. not at all. come on, guys . inte— on guys. not at all. come on, guys . inie ie— on guys. not at all. come on, guys. this is what- on guys. not at all. iii" 95 this is what christianity guys. this is what christianity pianatee. — guys. this is what christianity promotes. shamima- 95 this is what christianity promotes. g promotes. shamima begum has always been right? porsha talking for a minute, please. my personal stance on shamima begum has always been that she is our responsibility and should be tried kingdom. i'm tried in the united kingdom. i'm talking regards news

talking in regards to gb news kelvin. so look, we have many peapie— kelvin. so look, we have many peapte an— kelvin. so look, we have many peapte an an— kelvin. so look, we have many people on gb news— " so look, we have many people on gb news with many titteient— people on gb news with many different perspectives. i have twe— different perspectives. i have awe—penet- different perspectives. i havel two—panel right two people on my panel right now, completely different perspectives. there is no gb news so not argue news stance, so let's not argue against here to ask against gb news i'm here to ask you, shakeel afsar why you're disrupting cinemas. because it seems to impose seems like you want to impose shana seems like you want to impose sharia because you're saying seems like you want to impose shaiis because you're saying seems like you want to impose shaiis blasphemousyou're saying seems like you want to impose shaiis blasphemous againstaying seems like you want to impose shaiis blasphemous against you. this is blasphemous against you. you like that's what you don't like it. that's what i'm asking. no, kelvin, absolutely— i'm asking. no, kelvin, absolutely not. - g no, kelvin, absolutely not. the i'm asking. no, kelvin, absolutely not. the you went absolutely not. the way you went tataw— absolutely not. the way you went tatawltne — absolutely not. the way you went today,.the morning— absolutely not. the way you went today, the morning to a pub today, in the morning to a pub today, in the morning to a pub ta piateet— today, in the morning to a pub to protest against— today, in the morning to a pub to protest against the trans the tiane— to protest against the trans the trans community— to protest against the trans the trans community is indoctrinating our children, wnian— indoctrinating our children, wnian iw— indoctrinating our children, wnian by tne— indoctrinating our children, which by the way, i support. we teet— which by the way, i support. we teei tnat— which by the way, i support. we teei we we— which by the way, i support. we feel that we are— which by the way, i support. we feel that we are doing the same ttine— feel that we are doing the same tnine. ent— feel that we are doing the same tninp. nnt tne— feel that we are doing the same thing. but the only— feel that we are doing the same thing. but the only difference is thing. but the only difference ie an— thing. but the only difference ie peapte— thing. but the only difference is our people are— thing. but the only difference is our people are dying because of is our people are dying because at tnie— is our people are dying because of this movie. _ is our people are dying because of this movie. our— is our people are dying because of this movie. our children and young— of this movie. our children and wanna iineiin— of this movie. our children and young muslim children , even young muslim children, even cnnetian— young muslim children, even christian, young— young muslim children, even christian, young christian entitien— christian, young christian children are— christian, young christian children are being persecuted. vani— children are being persecuted. your brothers,— children are being persecuted. your brothers, our— children are being persecuted. your brothers, our brothers are being— your brothers, our brothers are being tenant.— your brothers, our brothers are being burnt. the— your brothers, our brothers are being burnt. the 300 churches in the being burnt. the 300 churches in tne iaet— being burnt. the 300 churches in tne iaet twa— being burnt. the 300 churches in the last two weeks— being burnt. the 300 churches in the last two weeks have been tenant— the last two weeks have been tenant aven— the last two weeks have been burnt over 70 _ the last two weeks have been burnt over 70 people have been titted— burnt over 70 people have been tittet at— burnt over 70 people have been tittet at tne— burnt over 70 people have been killed at the hands of these winin— killed at the hands of these same hindu extremists who are pnenina— same hindu extremists who are pneninp tnie— same hindu extremists who are pushing this agenda that muslims are pushing this agenda that muslims ant— pushing this agenda that muslims ant ta. — pushing this agenda that muslims ant ta. van— pushing this agenda that muslims are out to. you know, love trap. twen— are out to. you know, love trap. twenw winin— are out to. you know, love trap. iwenw ninan pint.—

are out to. you know, love trap. every hindu girl. it's absolutely- every hindu girl. it's absolutely absurd. kelvin okay. wait.— absolutely absurd. kelvin okay. well, shaquille_ absolutely absurd. kelvin okay. well, shaquille my— absolutely absurd. kelvin okay. well, shaquille my protest- absolutely absurd. kelvin okay. well, shaquille my protest at the honour oak pub would not i would never stop people going into the pub. i would never stop people purchasing drinks. i would never from going would never stop them from going to pay to see these drinks. i agree. i agree with the democratic protest. my question to why you're disrupting democratic protest. my question to preventingou're disrupting democratic protest. my question to preventing people srupting democratic protest. my question to preventing people srupti doing and preventing people from doing what a right to do. what they have a right to do. but thank sharing your but thank you for sharing your views. appreciate it. i didn't views. i appreciate it. i didn't prevent anybody. _ views. i appreciate it. i didn't prevent anybody. kelvin- f c ididn't prevent anybody. kelvin i , f c i didn't prevent anybody. kelvin i felt i felt prevent anybody. kelvin i felt i teit i— prevent anybody. kelvin i felt i teit i-ta— prevent anybody. kelvin i felt i teit i-taitne— prevent anybody. kelvin i felt i felt i to the barbaric felt i had to let the barbaric ptapapanaa— felt i had to let the barbaric propaganda batus. thank you, shaquille. now i'm going to bnng shaquille. now i'm going to bring my emma webb shaquille. now i'm going to briilove my emma webb shaquille. now i'm going to briilove toy emma webb shaquille. now i'm going to briilove to get emma webb shaquille. now i'm going to briilove to get your emma webb shaquille. now i'm going to briilove to get your emron webb i'd love to get your take on what you've just heard. if you could hear any of that. what a conflation-issues.— could hear any of that. what a conflation-issues. i- could hear any of that. what a conflation-issues. i mean,- conflation of issues. i mean, peapte— conflation of issues. i mean, peapte-ante— conflation of issues. i mean, people quite capable of people are quite capable of going— people are quite capable of painpleee— people are quite capable of painpleee a— people are quite capable of going see a film and making going to see a film and making up going to see a film and making np tneii— going to see a film and making np tneii awn— going to see a film and making up their own mind— going to see a film and making up their own mind . going to see a film and making up their own mind. i going to see a film and making up their own mind . i watched the up their own mind. i watched the tawn— up their own mind. i watched the newn-tnat— up their own mind. i watched the newn-tnat a— up their own mind. i watched the crown.-that a lot- up their own mind. i watched the crown.-that a lot of- up their own mind. i watched the crown. that a lot of it crown. i know that a lot of it ten-t— crown. i know that a lot of it ien-t tine. — crown. i know that a lot of it isn't true. you _ crown. i know that a lot of it isn't true. you could say it's etinine— isn't true. you could say it's etininp np— isn't true. you could say it's stirring up republican sentiments— stirring up republican sentiments if you want to. it's inet— sentiments if you want to. it's inet — sentiments if you want to. it's just nonsense. argument just nonsense. and the argument tneie— just nonsense. and the argument tneie-wae— just nonsense. and the argument tnene-wae twine- just nonsense. and the argument there _was trying to- just nonsense. and the argument there was trying to make there that he was trying to make aeainet— there that he was trying to make aeainet-ant— there that he was trying to make aeainet-ant i- there that he was trying to make against-and i know- there that he was trying to make against and i know you against gb news and i know you and against gb news and i know you antlnawe— against gb news and i know you andihaveldifferent_ against gb news and i know you and have different stance on and i have a different stance on stamina— and i have a different stance on stamina-ite— and i have a different stance on shamima-it's just- and i have a different stance on shamima it's just a shamima begum it's just a eantiatian— shamima begum it's just a conflation issues. it is conflation of issues. it is whataboutery— conflation of issues. it is whataboutery very whataboutery it's very clear. inte— whataboutery it's very clear. tne—at-

whataboutery it's very clear. this-of people. whataboutery it's very clear.i this-of people who this is a group of people who tnint— this is a group of people who tnint tnew— this is a group of people who think they are _ this is a group of people who think they are entitled make think they are entitled to make teaieiane— think they are entitled to make teeieiane an— think they are entitled to make decisions on behalf of other peapte— decisions on behalf of other peapte attent— decisions on behalf of other people about what they and people about what they can and annat— people about what they can and eannat—tnew- people about what they can and cannot—they can- people about what they can andi cannot—they can and cannot watch, what they can and annat— cannot watch, what they can and aannat—tnew- cannot watch, what they can and cannot—they can. cannot watch, what they can and. cannot—they can and cannot see and what they can and annat— cannot see and what they can and aannat-it— cannot see and what they can and aannat-it ie— cannot see and what they can and cannot it is imposing cannot consume. it is imposing the cannot consume. it is imposing tne-at— cannot consume. it is imposing tne-at a— cannot consume. it is imposing the-of a particular- cannot consume. it is imposing the of a particular group the will of a particular group of the will of a particular group at—tne— the will of a particular group at—tne teet- the will of a particular group of-the rest of- the will of a particular group of-the rest of us.| of people on the rest of us. ite— of people on the rest of us. it's completely— of people on the rest of us. it's completely inappropriate. in it's completely inappropriate. inlfiee— it's completely inappropriate. inlfree society— it's completely inappropriate. inlfree society .— it's completely inappropriate. in free society . and like in a free society. and like i eat— in a free society. and like i eat, tnie— in a free society. and like i said, this is— in a free society. and like i said, this is part- in a free society. and like i said, this is part and parcel of a pnenanenan— said, this is part and parcel of a phenomenon we have been seeing for a phenomenon we have been seeing tan—peapte— a phenomenon we have been seeing tat—peapte wna— a phenomenon we have been seeing for—people who think- for decades of people who think tnat— for decades of people who think we tnew— for decades of people who think we tnew an— for decades of people who think that they can impose their own neiieiane— that they can impose their own religious blasphemy laws on the rest religious blasphemy laws on the neetlne— religious blasphemy laws on the rest.us,_should- religious blasphemy laws on the rest us, should just rest of us, and we should just nat— rest of us, and we should just natlnawine— rest of us, and we should just not-having any— rest of us, and we should just not-having any of- rest of us, and we should just not having any of ' t: not be having any of it. and this— not be having any of it. and this is— not be having any of it. and this is wtw— not be having any of it. and this is why emma webb is my son. i must arnie yeah, i don't think you gave good account of you gave a good account of himself. i mean, i'm sympathetic to himself. i mean, i'm sympathetic ta—tnat,— himself. i mean, i'm sympathetic to_that, broadly- to the argument that, broadly epeatina— to the argument that, broadly epeatina-ie- to the argument that, broadly speaking, is based upon speaking, the film is based upon a nintntwa— speaking, the film is based upon a hindutva conspiracy theory. ine— a hindutva conspiracy theory. tne—tient the people running india right now, _extremists. i now, the bjp, are extremists. yes:— now, the bjp, are extremists. wee-witn— now, the bjp, are extremists. yes,-with all- now, the bjp, are extremists. yes,-with all of- now, the bjp, are extremists. yes, with all of that . yes, i agree with all of that. nnt— yes, i agree with all of that. nnt-te— yes, i agree with all of that. nnt-ie ant- yes, i agree with all of that. but-is, and it- yes, i agree with all of that. but-is, and it was| yes, i agree with all of that. i but-is, and it was the but the point is, and it was the key— but the point is, and it was the tew aneetian— but the point is, and it was the tew aneetian ne— but the point is, and it was the key question he couldn't answer is, key question he couldn't answer ie taee— key question he couldn't answer ie taee tnat— key question he couldn't answer is, does that mean— key question he couldn't answer is, does that mean that people in tnie— is, does that mean that people in we aanntw— is, does that mean that people in this country should not be permitted— in this country should not be permitted ta — in this country should not be permitted to see— in this country should not be permitted to see the film? no, i tan-t— permitted to see the film? no, i tent-witn— permitted to see the film? no, i don't-with that. - permitted to see the film? no, i don't-with that. i- permitted to see the film? no, i don't with that. i mean, don't agree with that. i mean, you— don't agree with that. i mean, you guys— don't agree with that. i mean, wan pnwe tan-t— don't agree with that. i mean, you guys don't agree with that. ant— you guys don't agree with that. ant-pennape— you guys don't agree with that. and-perhaps even- and i think perhaps even the eneet— and i think perhaps even the eneet-aenee- and i think perhaps even the guest agree with that guest doesn't agree with that teeanee— guest doesn't agree with that teeanee ne— guest doesn't agree with that because he couldn't give a aanpeiiine— because he couldn't give a compelling counter argument. so

eat. — compelling counter argument. so eat. -wen— compelling counter argument. so nan-wen teeth.- compelling counter argument. so sad-you both, bob- compelling counter argument. so sad-you both, bob and| sad. but thank you both, bob and aaron both of my aaron bastani my both of my sidekicks this week for the dual sidekicks this week for the dual. coming in the final dual. and coming up in the final part my common sense crusade, part of my common sense crusade, we'll be delving into the we'll be delving back into the shocking report that shows shocking new report that shows the stark decline of faith in britain priest the britain with a priest from the diocese back with diocese of leicester back with you minute .

welcome back to the show. it's now time for calvin's concern . now time for calvin's concern. earlier on this week. a recent study finds people living in the uk are among the least religious in the world. so i took to twitter and asked, have we lost our faith or is there a godless agenda being pushed by sinister forces society ? dodi. and the forces in society? dodi. and the result was 42.8% think we have

lost our faith 45.9% think we have a godless agenda in our society. and ii.3% said other thank you all for sending in your views. that's the closest poll we've ever had. now, earlier in the show, my panel and i discussed the outcome of a new which shows that the new study which shows that the uk is among the least religious countries the world a countries in the world with a record of population record number of the population declaring god, declaring no belief in god, along with religious identity and record and practise, hitting record lows . with these shocking facts lows. with these shocking facts still in mind, let's delve into the reason and repercussion of such decline in our nation's such a decline in our nation's relationship with god . with the relationship with god. with the reverend murphy of the reverend brett murphy of the diocese of leicester, reverend murphy will be with us shortly , murphy will be with us shortly, having he's fixing his shoddy mcdonald's wi—fi. but until then, i want to have a quick look at those results again. so i what was it, 46% of i think, what was it, 46% of you? yep we'll get that up on the screen for you. there we go. 42.8% think we've lost our faith. how have we lost our faith. how have we lost our faith or are we clinging onto other faiths? is wokeness becoming a religion in itself

with its own of sacraments, with its own kind of sacraments, its own religious cult and environment ism is becoming a faith too? oh i think the reverend brett murphy has fixed his shoddy mcdonald's wi—fi. he joins now. hey, you joins us now. hey, there you are, the man. i recognise joins us now. hey, there you are, from man. i recognise joins us now. hey, there you are, from youtube. i recognise joins us now. hey, there you are, from youtube. how:ognise joins us now. hey, there you are, from youtube. how are ise joins us now. hey, there you are, from youtube. how are you you from youtube. how are you doing? very well, thank you. thank you for joining doing? very well, thank you. thank you forjoining us. what thank you for joining us. what is want— thank you for joining us. what is want tate— thank you for joining us. what is your take on— thank you for joining us. what is your take on this?- thank you for joining us. what is your take on this? are we becoming less faithful or is our faith shifting onto other things ? so i think it's a symptomatic ieene— ? so i think it's a symptomatic at— ? so i think it's a symptomatic at a— ? so i think it's a symptomatic issue of a godless— 7’ so i think it's a symptomatic issue of a godless society. so pm,— issue of a godless society. so over time, britain _ issue of a godless society. so over time, britain has become inteet— over time, britain has become inteet witn— over time, britain has become inteet wit a— over time, britain has become infest with a sort— over time, britain has become infest with a sort of woke intelligentsia _ infest with a sort of woke intelligentsia to that rule at the intelligentsia to that rule at tne nppei— intelligentsia to that rule at the upper echelons of power. and tnew-we— the upper echelons of power. and tnew-we pnenet— the upper echelons of power. and they've pushed that even within, say,— they've pushed that even within, save tne — they've pushed that even within, say, the established church . and say, the established church. and nntannnateiw,— say, the established church. and unfortunately, that leads to peapte— unfortunately, that leads to people becoming very confused in wnat— people becoming very confused in wnat tnew— people becoming very confused in what they understand as atieatiwe— what they understand as objective truth . so we objective truth. so we christians _ objective truth. so we christians would say the etantaite— christians would say the standards of— christians would say the standards of objective truth are derived — standards of objective truth are derived nan — standards of objective truth are derived from the— standards of objective truth are derived from the bible, and that need— derived from the bible, and that neet ta— derived from the bible, and that neet ta te— derived from the bible, and that used to be pretty— derived from the bible, and that used to be pretty much universally— used to be pretty much universally taught in the uk up wit— universally taught in the uk up nntii atant— universally taught in the uk up until about the _ universally taught in the uk up until about the mid 20th aentnnw— until about the mid 20th century-then- until about the mid 20th century. then you see century. and then you see this ean— century. and then you see this ean-eet— century. and then you see this ean-eet in.— century. and then you see this sort-set in. so- century. and then you see this sort-set in. so this- century. and then you see this sort set in. so this is sort of rot set in. so this is tne— sort of rot set in. so this is tne ent— sort of rot set in. so this is the end result— sort of rot set in. so this is the end result now of that, that

paeee ite— the end result now of that, that process. it's sort— the end result now of that, that process. it's sort of— the end result now of that, that process. it's sort of reaping a naweet— process. it's sort of reaping a naweet ant— process. it's sort of reaping a harvest and we've- process. it's sort of reaping a harvest and we've come to this paint— harvest and we've come to this paint new— harvest and we've come to this point now where— harvest and we've come to this point now where although , you point now where although, you tnew— point now where although, you knew wan— point now where although, you know, you could— point now where although, you know, you could be frightened by this know, you could be frightened by tnie ae— know, you could be frightened by this as christians,— know, you could be frightened by this as christians, we could say,— this as christians, we could save-my— this as christians, we could say, my goodness, this as christians, we could- say,.my goodness,-know, say, oh my goodness, you know, it eeeme— say, oh my goodness, you know, it tite— say, oh my goodness, you know, it seems like religious adherence— it seems like religious adherence is- it seems like religious adherence is dropping off a eiitt. — adherence is dropping off a cliff. iwould_ adherence is dropping off a cliff. would argue cliff. i would actually argue ite— cliff. i would actually argue it's-positives- cliff. i would actually argue it's- positives to l it's there are positives to tnie— it's there are positives to tnie-tnaee- it's there are positives to this, those churches that this, that those churches that are this, that those churches that pnenine— this, that those churches that pneninp a— this, that those churches that are pushing a woke liberal ized are pushing a woke liberalized aeenta— are pushing a woke liberalized apenta tnew-ie— are pushing a woke liberalized agenda, they're the ones that are declining— agenda, they're the ones that are declining ing. but the ennianee— are declining ing. but the churches that— are declining ing. but the churches that are staying true to churches that are staying true ta eat-e— churches that are staying true ta eat-e wait— churches that are staying true to god's word are— churches that are staying true to god's word are the ones that eee-inat-e— to god's word are the ones that eee-inat-e a— to god's word are the ones that see-that's a very- to god's word are the ones that see that's a very good see growth. that's a very good paint. — see growth. that's a very good point. therefore,— see growth. that's a very good point. therefore, how- see growth. that's a very good point. cit» point. therefore, how do we fix this? how do we tell the established church of established church and all of the woke churches that are shaping themselves around the norms society rather than the norms of society rather than the scriptures? do we say, look, scriptures? how do we say, look, look evidence, you're look at this evidence, you're doing wrong thing ? good doing the wrong thing? good point. well, not that- cit» g g q7 good point. well, not that anybody witt— point. well, not that anybody wiii iieten— point. well, not that anybody will listen to— point. well, not that anybody will listen to this from the upper— will listen to this from the upper echelons— will listen to this from the upper echelons of power and the eetatiienet— upper echelons of power and the established church. but if tnew-ne— established church. but if tnew-te att— established church. but if they're all watching the mission etatietiae— they're all watching the mission statistics, it's— they're all watching the mission statistics, it's almost always . statistics, it's almost always. amen.— statistics, it's almost always. anen. nette— statistics, it's almost always. amen. hello to— statistics, it's almost always. amen. hello to you all. it's ainaet— amen. hello to you all. it's almost always— amen. hello to you all. it's almost always the churches that etiat— almost always the churches that etiet ta — almost always the churches that etiet ta tne — almost always the churches that stick to the bible _ almost always the churches that stick to the bible that see eaneietent— stick to the bible that see consistent and— stick to the bible that see consistent and sustained growth may— consistent and sustained growth

naw nat— consistent and sustained growth naw nat te— consistent and sustained growth may not be skyrocketing. growth but may not be skyrocketing. growth tent tnat— may not be skyrocketing. growth but that faithful,— may not be skyrocketing. growth but that faithful, plodding atane— but that faithful, plodding atane at— but that faithful, plodding along of preaching the good news and along of preaching the good news ant teaenine— along of preaching the good news and teaching the— along of preaching the good news and teaching the gospel and etawina— and teaching the gospel and etawinp tine— and teaching the gospel and staying true to— and teaching the gospel and staying true to the bible that twinne— staying true to the bible that twinge peapte— staying true to the bible that brings people to— staying true to the bible that brings people to christ because it's countercultural. it's a naaitwe— it's countercultural. it's a narrative that— it's countercultural. it's a narrative that is counter to the weaning— narrative that is counter to the prevailing zeitgeist. so if tnene— prevailing zeitgeist. so if tnene ae— prevailing zeitgeist. so if there are pastors , if there are there are pastors, if there are pneete— there are pastors, if there are pneete ant— there are pastors, if there are priests out there— there are pastors, if there are priests out there watching , i priests out there watching, i enanaep wan— priests out there watching, i encourage you have the guts put wani— encourage you have the guts put want neat— encourage you have the guts put your head above— encourage you have the guts put your head above the parapet, etaw— your head above the parapet, etaw-tiin — your head above the parapet, stay-firm .the- your head above the parapet, stay firm the gospel of stay stand firm on the gospel of ieene— stay stand firm on the gospel of ieene-ant— stay stand firm on the gospel of jesus-and preach- stay stand firm on the gospel of jesus and preach the jesus christ and preach the tintn— jesus christ and preach the tintn at— jesus christ and preach the truth of-word- jesus christ and preach the truth of-word .- jesus christ and preach the truth of word . no matter truth of the word. no matter wat— truth of the word. no matter what-hierarchy- truth of the word. no matter what hierarchy in your what the hierarchy in your denomination— what the hierarchy in your denomination say, no matter what the denomination say, no matter what tne-aannt— denomination say, no matter what tne-aannt wan— denomination say, no matter what the-around you says- denomination say, no matter what the around you says , you the society around you says, you are the society around you says, you ate—ta— the society around you says, you ae—ta ieene- the society around you says, you are_to jesus and- the society around you says, youi are _to jesus and your are answerable to jesus and your annnen— are answerable to jesus and your annien witt— are answerable to jesus and your church will grow. _ are answerable to jesus and your church will grow. it— are answerable to jesus and your church will grow. it doesn't matter— church will grow. it doesn't matter-these - church will grow. it doesn't matter these statistics matter what these statistics say,— matter what these statistics eawlwiii— matter what these statistics eawlwiii aaw— matter what these statistics say, will grow because god say, it will grow because god witt— say, it will grow because god wiii-tnat— say, it will grow because god will-that and- say, it will grow because god will-that and do- say, it will grow because god will that and do you see will bless that and do you see a anneetian— will bless that and do you see a connection here— will bless that and do you see a connection here between what's going— connection here between what's paint an— connection here between what's painp an in— connection here between what's painp an in tne— connection here between what's going on in the faith in the united— going on in the faith in the united kingdom and the marriage iatee— united kingdom and the marriage iatee-aappet,- united kingdom and the marriage rates-dropped, the- rates that have dropped, the atanian— rates that have dropped, the abortion rates— rates that have dropped, the abortion rates that have risen to abortion rates that have risen ta-iewei— abortion rates that have risen ta-iewei ae- abortion rates that have risen to-level as well- abortion rates that have risen to level as well as abortion rates that have risen. to-level as well as the to the same level as well as the trap— to the same level as well as the trap-iatee— to the same level as well as the trap-iatee e— to the same level as well as the drop rates ? absolutely. drop in birth rates? absolutely. so drop in birth rates? absolutely. sa saint— drop in birth rates? absolutely. so saint paul— drop in birth rates? absolutely. so saint paul says in romans tnat— so saint paul says in romans tnat wnen— so saint paul says in romans that when people abandon god, he nanae— that when people abandon god, he nanae tnen— that when people abandon god, he hands them over— that when people abandon god, he hands them over to— that when people abandon god, he hands them over to a reprobate nine.— hands them over to a reprobate nine. sa— hands them over to a reprobate nine. sa were— hands them over to a reprobate mind. so we're seeing a in a peapte— mind. so we're seeing a in a

sense, people abandoning all tnat— sense, people abandoning all tnat ie— sense, people abandoning all tnat ie eaae— sense, people abandoning all that is good and— sense, people abandoning all that is good and wholesome and nett— that is good and wholesome and npnt, wnien— that is good and wholesome and npnt, wnian ie— that is good and wholesome and right, which is defined by god ant— right, which is defined by god ant nie— right, which is defined by god and his objective— right, which is defined by god and his objective word. and the peapte— and his objective word. and the more people walk— and his objective word. and the more people walk away from that, the more people walk away from that, tne waee— more people walk away from that, the worse society— more people walk away from that, the worse society gets. things etat— the worse society gets. things etan ta— the worse society gets. things start to unravel— the worse society gets. things start to unravel people's lives teaane— start to unravel people's lives teaane wew— start to unravel people's lives become very difficult if they inet— become very difficult if they inet tnnnet— become very difficult if they just turned back to the good old wawe— just turned back to the good old wawe .— just turned back to the good old wawe , tnew— just turned back to the good old ways , they would— just turned back to the good old ways , they would find peace and ways, they would find peace and joy ways, they would find peace and iaw ant— ways, they would find peace and joy and flourishing— ways, they would find peace and joy and flourishing and salvation— joy and flourishing and salvation in— joy and flourishing and salvation in christ. and the ttaaetw— salvation in christ. and the ttaaetw ie— salvation in christ. and the tragedy is the— salvation in christ. and the tragedy is the church should be a ptapnetie— tragedy is the church should be a prophetic voice _ tragedy is the church should be a prophetic voice .— tragedy is the church should be a prophetic voice . it should be a prophetic voice. it should be eawina— a prophetic voice. it should be eawina, hexa— a prophetic voice. it should be eawina, new, tan— a prophetic voice. it should be saying, hey, turn around, turn iaet— saying, hey, turn around, turn iaet ta— saying, hey, turn around, turn iaet ta-eaat— saying, hey, turn around, turn back to good ways . do back to the good ways. do not wait— back to the good ways. do not wait-nan — back to the good ways. do not walk-from these - back to the good ways. do not walk from these because walk away from these because it's—detriment. i walk away from these becausei it's—detriment. and it's to your own detriment. and nntaitnnateiw— it's to your own detriment. and nntaitnnateiw .— it's to your own detriment. and unfortunately , it's— it's to your own detriment. and unfortunately , it's just unfortunately, it's just going atane— unfortunately, it's just going atane witn— unfortunately, it's just going along with the— unfortunately, it's just going along with the prevailing anitniai— along with the prevailing cultural narrative . venice along with the prevailing cultural narrative. vitae “at: cultural narrative. well, we had joshua sutcliffe on earlier today, who's the christian school teacher who's been suspended indefinite for sticking to his christian values in school. now he stuck his head above the parapet and it got chopped off. but do you think more people need this? so more people need to do this? so it becomes norm again so it becomes a norm again so people aren't surprised when someone yes, is someone says yes, marriage is between one woman. between one man and one woman. and what we've always and that's what we've always taught absolutely. and taught. well, absolutely. and tnant— taught. well, absolutely. and tnant-ta— taught. well, absolutely. and tnant-ta wan— taught. well, absolutely. and thank-to you, father- easing well, absolutely. and thank to you, father calvin, thank you to you, father calvin, for thank you to you, father calvin, tat nawine— thank you to you, father calvin, tat nawina tne— thank you to you, father calvin, for having the -to - thank you to you, father calvin, for having the to be one of for having the guts to be one of tnaee— for having the guts to be one of

tnaee waiaee— for having the guts to be one of those voices-stands- for having the guts to be one of those voices stands up. those voices that stands up. i tnint— those voices that stands up. i tnint tnew— those voices that stands up. i think they-chop- those voices that stands up. i think they chop all our think they can't chop all our neate— think they can't chop all our neatel— think they can't chop all our neatel sa— think they can't chop all our heads.. so stand- think they can't chop all our heads . so stand tall and heads off. so stand tall and etant— heads off. so stand tall and etant-epeat- heads off. so stand tall and stand speak loud. heads off. so stand tall and- stand-speak loud. and stand firm and speak loud. and if stand firm and speak loud. and it-ae— stand firm and speak loud. and it-aela— stand firm and speak loud. and if-arela church- stand firm and speak loud. and if are a church where you if you are in a church where you teeite— if you are in a church where you teeite-wan-ie— if you are in a church where you decide .you're _to- decide that you're going to etant— decide that you're going to stand against— decide that you're going to stand against terrible stand against these terrible wateiet— stand against these terrible wokeist their— stand against these terrible wokeist their lies, their lies tran— wokeist their lies, their lies nan tne— wokeist their lies, their lies from the evil— wokeist their lies, their lies from the evil one, then actually , vou— from the evil one, then actually , wan tnew— from the evil one, then actually , you know, maybe— from the evil one, then actually , you know, maybe you need time to , you know, maybe you need time ta enanae— , you know, maybe you need time to change churches— , you know, maybe you need time to change churches if you're going— to change churches if you're going persecuted for that. going to be persecuted for that. but going to be persecuted for that. nnt-tin — going to be persecuted for that. nnt-tin ant— going to be persecuted for that. but-firm and god- going to be persecuted for that. but firm and god will look but stand firm and god will look atten— but stand firm and god will look ate-witt— but stand firm and god will look after-will provide- but stand firm and god will look after will provide for after you. god will provide for you— after you. god will provide for wan ant— after you. god will provide for wan ant ne— after you. god will provide for you and he-bring- after you. god will provide for you and he bring more and you and he will bring more and peapte— you and he will bring more and more people into— you and he will bring more and more people into the fold of annetan— more people into the fold of christian faith.— more people into the fold of christian faith. if there are net— christian faith. if there are inet-wna— christian faith. if there are- just-who-enough just those who are bold enough to just those who are bold enough ta epeat— just those who are bold enough ta epeat nie— just those who are bold enough to speak his truth.— just those who are bold enough to speak his truth. you know so nanw—tneee- to speak his truth. you know so many—these days. to speak his truth. you know sol many—these days i'm many people say these days i'm epintnai— many people say these days i'm epintnai .— many people say these days i'm epintnai , ant— many people say these days i'm spiritual, but-not- spiritual, but i'm not tetiaiane.— spiritual, but i'm not religious. there a spiritual, but i'm not religious-there ahunger religious. so there is a hunger ant— religious. so there is a hunger ant-in— religious. so there is a hunger ant-in tne— religious. so there is a hunger out-in the british- out there in the british papniaae— out there in the british papntaae at— out there in the british populace of people who want to nea— populace of people who want to tea tne — populace of people who want to hear the truth.— populace of people who want to hear the truth. but— populace of people who want to hear the truth. but the church, panianiaiw— hear the truth. but the church, particularly the _ hear the truth. but the church, particularly the church of antenna— particularly the church of| inatant—ta particularly the church of- england,_to give particularly the church of- erto and,_to give particularly the church of- erto them _to give particularly the church of- erto them . _to give particularly the church of erto them . to give particularly the church of erto them . piz;|ive particularly the church of erto them . gist particularly the church of- erto them . father, we've got to it to them. father, we've got to wrap up now. but if you can in 10s, where can people find you? i got a fantastic i know you've got a fantastic youtube out there. if youtube channel out there. if they my name, rev brett they search my name, rev brett murphy youtube, twitter and murphy on youtube, twitter and facebook, me facebook, they'll find me father, thank you for everything you're bless you're doing. god bless you. that the brett that was the reverend brett murphy the of murphy of the diocese of leicester. time leicester. thanks for your time today. each week the

today. now, each week on the show, we like to end with our closing prayer. week, closing prayer. this week, reading whit reading the collect for whit sunday, ten year old sunday, we have ten year old andrew from saint anthony's school for boys . god, who was at school for boys. god, who was at this time didst reach the hearts of thy faithful people by the sending to them the light of thy holy spirit. grant us by the by the holy spirit. grant us by the by tne ee— holy spirit. grant us by the by the same spirit— holy spirit. grant us by the by the same spirit to— ” e grant us by the by the same spirit to have right intaenent— the same spirit to have right intaenent in— the same spirit to have right judgement in all things and evermore, to— judgement in all things and evermore, to rejoice in his holy cantat— evermore, to rejoice in his holy comfort through— evermore, to rejoice in his holy comfort through the merits of annet— comfort through the merits of cnnet, ieene— comfort through the merits of christ, jesus, our— comfort through the merits of christ, jesus, our saviour , who christ, jesus, our saviour, who iiwetn— christ, jesus, our saviour, who iiwetn ant— christ, jesus, our saviour, who liveth and reigneth with thee in the liveth and reigneth with thee in tne nnitw— liveth and reigneth with thee in tne nnitw at— liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the— liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the same spirit , the unity of the same spirit, aat— the unity of the same spirit, one god world— the unity of the same spirit, one god world without end. amen wnen— one god world without end. amen anen . — one god world without end. amen anen . inteet. — one god world without end. amen amen. indeed. i— one god world without end. amen amen . indeed. i love- one god world without end. amen amen . 3: one god world without end. amen amen . amen. indeed. i love that you've been watching calvin's common sense crusade with me , the sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson. i will be back with you next. no, i won't be back next saturday. emma webb stepping in emma webb will be stepping in for me next saturday. so you've got a special treat there. next up, brilliant up, though, it's the brilliant darren and very darren grimes and his very liberal before darren grimes and his very liberehere before darren grimes and his very liberehere is before darren grimes and his very liberehere is the before darren grimes and his very liberehere is the weathers that, here is the weather forecast. blessed forecast. have a blessed pentecost asphalt. hello pentecost day asphalt. hello there. i'm jonathan- 567 its; hello

there. i'm jonathan vautrey here witn— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here witn wani— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your evening— there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your evening weather update tran— with your evening weather update nan _tttiee — with your evening weather update from-office as— with your evening weather update from _office as we - with your evening weather update from office as we look from the met office as we look tanwat— from the met office as we look tanwat ta— from the met office as we look forward to the— from the met office as we look forward to the second day of the tang— forward to the second day of the tang weetent. — forward to the second day of the long weekend. it— forward to the second day of the long weekend. it looking to long weekend. it is looking to etaw— long weekend. it is looking to etaw tine— long weekend. it is looking to etaw tine tai— long weekend. it is looking to stay fine for many of us all tnante— stay fine for many of us all take ta— stay fine for many of us all thanks to pressure that is thanks to high pressure that is ten— thanks to high pressure that is een nntn— thanks to high pressure that is very much clinging onto much of the very much clinging onto much of tne-keeping— very much clinging onto much of the-keeping-nice- very much clinging onto much of the keeping nice and the uk, keeping things nice and eettiet— the uk, keeping things nice and eettiet-tnie— the uk, keeping things nice and settled.-this cold- the uk, keeping things nice and settled. this cold front settled. even this cold front tnat-e— settled. even this cold front man teen— settled. even this cold front that's been pushing into the nann—weet— that's been pushing into the north—west is— that's been pushing into the north—west is continuing to fade awaw— north—west is continuing to fade awaw ant— north—west is continuing to fade awaw ant anw— north—west is continuing to fade awaw ant anw at— north—west is continuing to fade away and any of the rain that we nawe— away and any of the rain that we nawe eeenlit— away and any of the rain that we have seen it through saturday away and any of the rain that we héfizzling it through saturday away and any of the rain that we héfizzling it thit'llih saturday away and any of the rain that we héfizzling it thit'll be naturday is fizzling out. so it'll be at— is fizzling out. so it'll be at a— is fizzling out. so it'll be more of a cloudy feature as it moves across northern ireland inta— moves across northern ireland inta tentat— moves across northern ireland into central eastern areas of instant — into central eastern areas ofi tneiant. _tae england. a few mist and fog patenee— england. a few mist and fog patches _forming. patches perhaps forming across iaet— patches perhaps forming across p.a_,_ patches perhaps forming across east-,-eastern- patches perhaps forming acrossi east-,-eastern areas east anglia, south eastern areas of east anglia, south eastern areas at-nnt— east anglia, south eastern areas of-but elsewhere- of england. but elsewhere tnene-ii— of england. but elsewhere tneie-ii te— of england. but elsewhere there'll be a— of england. but elsewhere there'll be a good number of tea— there'll be a good number of. tea—nit clear intervals, perhaps a mild niant— clear intervals, perhaps a mild night underneath— clear intervals, perhaps a mild night underneath the cloud iteeit— night underneath the cloud iteeit. nnt— night underneath the cloud itself. but where you do have tnaee— itself. but where you do have tnaee tea— itself. but where you do have those clear intervals, temperatures dropping down in some particularly some rural areas, particularly for some rural areas, particularly tat-anannt— some rural areas, particularly for-ground areas- some rural areas, particularly for ground areas of for higher ground areas of seatiant— for higher ground areas of seatiant .— for higher ground areas of scotland . where have scotland. so where you have tnaee— scotland. so where you have tnaee tenant— scotland. so where you have those bright intervals, first ttina— those bright intervals, first thinge it— those bright intervals, first thing, it should be a lovely etat— thing, it should be a lovely etan ta— thing, it should be a lovely start to sunday,— thing, it should be a lovely start to sunday, this cloud just canine— start to sunday, this cloud just coming-going— start to sunday, this cloud just coming going again across coming and going again across tentat— coming and going again across eentnai aeae— coming and going again across central areas might provide some iawei— central areas might provide some tawen etntt— central areas might provide some lower stuff across— central areas might provide some lower stuff across some coastal ant— lower stuff across some coastal areas, but generally it will beat— areas, but generally it will treat np— areas, but generally it will break up into— areas, but generally it will break up into the afternoon. the att— break up into the afternoon. the att eawen—

break up into the afternoon. the odd shower possible, but you'll be odd shower possible, but you'll tee nninetw— odd shower possible, but you'll tee nninatw ta— odd shower possible, but you'll be unlucky to see— odd shower possible, but you'll be unlucky to see one of those eieewneie. — be unlucky to see one of those elsewhere. some _ be unlucky to see one of those elsewhere. some nice sunny intewaie— elsewhere. some nice sunny intervals climbing to highs of 22 ceieine— intervals climbing to highs of 22 celsius in— intervals climbing to highs of 22 celsius in the— intervals climbing to highs of 22 celsius in the south. now, as we neat— 22 celsius in the south. now, as we neat inta— 22 celsius in the south. now, as we head into the— 22 celsius in the south. now, as we head into the evening, 22 celsius in the south. now, as we head into the evening , the we head into the evening, the tent— we head into the evening, the tent aaaee— we head into the evening, the cloud across england will eantinne— cloud across england will continue to— cloud across england will continue to fade away. some halve— continue to fade away. some naaw-etat— continue to fade away. some hazy,-stuff across- hazy, wispy stuff across seatiant— hazy, wispy stuff across scotland-but- hazy, wispy stuff across scotland but generally scotland still, but generally a pieaeant— scotland still, but generally a pieaeant-tne- scotland still, but generally a pleasant-the day- pleasant end to the day underneath— pleasant end to the day underneath all clear spells underneath all the clear spells tnat— underneath all the clear spells tnat teweiap— underneath all the clear spells that develop overnight, though tnat— that develop overnight, though tnat-aiiaw— that develop overnight, though that-allow those- that will allow those temperatures much that will allow those temptwidely; much that will allow those temptwidely and much that will allow those temptwidely and so much that will allow those temptwidely and so manynuch that will allow those temptwidely and so many areas more widely and so many areas witt— more widely and so many areas wiii te— more widely and so many areas witi be getting— more widely and so many areas will be getting down into those einaie— will be getting down into those einaie figure— will be getting down into those single figure marks, perhaps a tenan— single figure marks, perhaps a tent at— single figure marks, perhaps a touch of frost— single figure marks, perhaps a touch of frost across northern tnaiant— touch of frost across northern england, scotland and northern netant— england, scotland and northern ireland-well— england, scotland and northern ireland-well .— england, scotland and northern ireland .well .-into- england, scotland and northern ireland well . into bank ireland as well. but into bank naiitaw— ireland as well. but into banki holiday—there'll holiday monday itself, there'll be holiday monday itself, there'll te-nnntei— holiday monday itself, there'll be-number of- holiday monday itself, there'll be number of sunny be a good number of sunny intenaie— be a good number of sunny intervals. remember uv intervals. do remember that uv ieweie— intervals. do remember that uv ieweie witt— intervals. do remember that uv levels will be _ intervals. do remember that uv levels will be high throughout levels will be hiin throughout the levels will be high throughout tne-witn— levels will be high throughout tne-witn anw- levels will be high throughout the with any wispy the day, even with any wispy tant— the day, even with any wispy cloud around— the day, even with any wispy cloud around we— the day, even with any wispy cloud around we do though, have a pit— cloud around we do though, have a pit at— cloud around we do though, have a pit at a— cloud around we do though, have a bit of a breeze— cloud around we do though, have a bit of a breeze developing tne— a bit of a breeze developing across the south— a bit of a breeze developing across the south coast of instant — across the south coast of england. come- across the south coast of england. come monday, and that will continue— england. come monday, and that will continue-we— england. come monday, and that will continue we head into will continue as we head into tne—iniel the forthcoming week. this eaetetiw— the forthcoming week. this. easterly—bringing the forthcoming week. this easteicooler bringing the forthcoming week. this easteicooler air bringing the forthcoming week. this easteicooler air off bringing the forthcoming week. this easteicooler air off briinorth some cooler air off the north sea. — some cooler air off the north sea. sa— some cooler air off the north sea. so generally— some cooler air off the north sea. so generally western areas witt— sea. so generally western areas wiii te— sea. so generally western areas wiii tee taint— sea. so generally western areas will be faring best— sea. so generally western areas will be faring best for our temperatures, _ will be faring best for our temperatures, they'll still temperatures, but they'll still be temperatures, but they'll still tee—at- temperatures, but they'll still be_of sunshinei be a fair amount of sunshine aannt—nianl around thanks to that high pressure system by .

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