by | bvl way. i by- way. it's i by— way. it's saturday by way. it's saturday night and this— way. it's saturday night and this is— way. it's saturday night and iiis is iss— way. it's saturday night and this is the saturday five. i'm darren— this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes— this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes along- this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes along with albie amankona emily carver, reem ibrahim and benjamin loughnane. tonight on the show, phillip seneiieii— tonight on the show, phillip schofield lied— tonight on the show, phillip schofield lied and his itv career has died. why religious fundamentalists— career has died. why religious fundamentalists should not be aire— fundamentalists should not be adie re— fundamentalists should not be adie is de— fundamentalists should not be able to be teachers just top oil snorin— able to be teachers just top oil snenii ani— able to be teachers just top oil should put down— able to be teachers just top oil should put down the orange denier— should put down the orange denier ani— should put down the orange powder and check their privilege . viny— powder and check their privilege . why sir— powder and check their privilege . wny sir keir— powder and check their privilege . why sir keir starmer- powder and check their privilege . why sir keir starmer does not have the guts to save britain's health care problems. and should we bring health care problems. and should we dring desk— health care problems. and should we bring back the— health care problems. and should we bring back the death- f and should we bring back the death penalty for we bring back the death penalty ier snid— we bring back the death penalty for child killers?— we bring back the death penalty for child killers? it's 8:00, ani— for child killers? it's 8:00, and iris— for child killers? it's 8:00, and ran is— for child killers? it's 8:00, and this is the— for child killers? it's 8:00, and this is the .-

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so it was the worst kept secret. you have to take him at his wani— you have to take him at his were. wew— you have to take him at his word. you know,— you have to take him at his word. you know, holly must have asked— word. you know, holly must have asked nirn — word. you know, holly must have asked him about— word. you know, holly must have asked him about this. people arseni— asked him about this. people arewni nin— asked him about this. people around him must have asked him aneur— around him must have asked him adewi anis— around him must have asked him about this and— around him must have asked him about this and he— around him must have asked him about this and he must have iieri— about this and he must have desi-wini— about this and he must have lied.-what he- about this and he must have lied. what he said. lied. that's what he said. and war-s— lied. that's what he said. and inar-s ari— lied. that's what he said. and inar-s aii we— lied. that's what he said. and that's all we know, right now. we that's all we know, right now. we wew,— that's all we know, right now. we wgg, en— that's all we know, right now. we well, gb news presenter and inner— we well, gb news presenter andi former—eamonn former this morning host eamonn newnes— former this morning host eamonn weines nas— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit out— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit out at his seiieagwes— holmes has hit out at his colleagues, saying finally colleagues, saying he's finally deen—en— colleagues, saying he's finally been _on social- colleagues, saying he's finally- been _on social media. been caught out on social media. he been caught out on social media. we said— been caught out on social media. we said rear— been caught out on social media. he said four high— been caught out on social media. he said four high members- been caught out on social media. he said four high members of- been caught out on social media. he said four high members of itv management knew what sort of man he was and never once took action to prevent him controlling or taking advantage of his position over young people. well, itv says it did investigate the rumours of a relationship between schofield and the employee in 2020, but found no evidence to support the claims , as both parties denied claims, as both parties denied it . well, showbiz reporter ellie it. well, showbiz reporter ellie phillips told us that schofield's actions were more than inappropriate . he's saying than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal,— than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal, but— than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal, but it's- he's saying it's not illegal, but it's also adewi— it's not illegal, but it's also adewi an— it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse— it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse of power because riiiiin— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is the was the face — phillip schofield is the was the face or— phillip schofield is the was the face or anis— phillip schofield is the was the face of this morning in a

massive position of power and wew-we— massive position of power and wew-we gei— massive position of power and wew-we gar a— massive position of power and you've got a runner who, in the snee— you've got a runner who, in the snee er— you've got a runner who, in the scheme of things— you've got a runner who, in the scheme of things within the scene, you know— scheme of things within the scene, you know within how it works— scene, you know within how it works behind _ scene, you know within how it works behind the— scene, you know within how it works behind the scenes much works behind the scenes is much rower— works behind the scenes is much rower-rung— works behind the scenes is much rower-rung in- works behind the scenes is much lower-rung in terms. works behind the scenes is much lower rung in terms of lower down the rung in terms of newer—nai- lower down the rung in terms of newer—inn poweri power. so it's about that power irndaianse— power. so it's about that power imbalance.ithink_ power. so it's about that power imbalance.ithink .— power. so it's about that power imbalance. think . well in imbalance. i think. well in ener— imbalance. i think. well in one news— imbalance. i think. well in other news this— imbalance. i think. well in other news this evening, the wane— other news this evening, the home office— other news this evening, the home office says the border connoi— home office says the border control system _ home office says the border control system failure at rnwiiinie— control system failure at multiple uk— control system failure at multiple uk airports has now deen— multiple uk airports has now deen iixei. — multiple uk airports has now been fixed. 31 : been fixed. earlier thousand of people travelling for the bank houday people travelling for the bank holiday faced delays after a technical fault on the e—gates passport for those arriving into the uk had to be checked by hand rather than the automated machines . well, the home office machines. well, the home office has thanked those impacted for their patience as to just stop oil protesters have been arrested for disrupting the gallagher premiership rugby final at twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick hart from bristol and 40 year old sam johnson from essex ran onto the pitch midway through the first half of the match before throwing orange paint powder onto the field. play was suspended as the men

were escorted from the stadium by stewards . tv online dab+ by stewards. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news nato. back to the . news nato. back to the. saturday five. yes, five. - i yes, it's five. yes, it's saturday night. you're - yes, it's saturday night. wew-re wiri— . yes, it's saturday night. you're with the— yes, it's saturday night. you're with the saturday five. in — you're with the saturday five. in nniiw— you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver— you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and don't i'm emily carver and we don't nine— i'm emily carver and we don't nine-non — i'm emily carver and we don't hide .from .fellow- hide stuff from our fellow areseniers— hide stuff from our fellow presenters here. quite presenters here. we're quite open— presenters here. we're quite open adowr— presenters here. we're quite open about the _ presenters here. we're quite open about the contempt we hold easi— open about the contempt we hold each oner— open about the contempt we hold each one in.— open about the contempt we hold each other in. so— open about the contempt we hold each other in. so let's crack on wiri— each other in. so let's crack on was ionigni-s— each other in. so let's crack on with tonight's first— each other in. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. you may— with tonight's first debate. you may nave— with tonight's first debate. you may have noticed— with tonight's first debate. you may have noticed that phil schofield's— may have noticed that phil schofield's departure from itv nas— schofield's departure from itv was-oin— schofield's departure from itv has-odd headline. schofield's departure from itv has odd headline this has made the odd headline this week.— has made the odd headline this week. so— has made the odd headline this week. so wiry— has made the odd headline this week. so why don't we see what darren— week. so why don't we see what darren grimes— week. so why don't we see what darren grimes makes of it all? rake— darren grimes makes of it all? rake ii— darren grimes makes of it all? rake ii away,— darren grimes makes of it all? take it away, darren. viii“ «wilt? take it away, darren. well, yes, iniiiio— take it away, darren. well, yes, phillip schofield lied on his itv has died. i mean, how itv career has died. i mean, how outrageous that the itv, the itv a channel that preaches and screeches much in the way of

wokery and wokery that they can get rid of the likes of piers morgan and jeremy clarkson for saying mean words about duchess of montecito , meghan markle, or of montecito, meghan markle, or jeremy kyle. but they can keep someone like schofield on their flagship morning show for such a long time. dan wootton of this parish, of course, dropped bombshell shell revelations on twitter last night of how he went to itv management with the story that's now been confirmed . and whilst he was at the sun newspaper in 2019. itv has said today that it did conduct an investigation into phillip schofield's affair with a much younger male employee. but both parties denied the claims. now, schofield has disclosed his relationship with said younger male colleague while still being married to his wife of 30 years, stephanie lowe to the daily mail. do you remember the fanfare about how stunning and brave phillip was to come out as

gay? well, now it looks like now more than a convenor , innocent more than a convenor, innocent walk screen , precious little in walk screen, precious little in the way of compassion was offered to his wife by a fallen press and the twittersphere , a press and the twittersphere, a wife who was lied to and for so long and cheated on how dare frankly , if you ask me, philip, frankly, if you ask me, philip, make fools of so many as he had his youthful cake and eat it. how different do we now look at those tearful scenes on the infamous this morning sofa as holly willoughby and schofield announced he was gay. schofield was seen as the jewel in itv's presenting crown, presenting other shows like the british soap awards, the cube and five gold rings. no i haven't heard of them either. but look , in my of them either. but look, in my view , this whole this morning view, this whole this morning edifice ought to come tumbling down. it is clearly built on a bed of lies. there are already

calls for itv ceo carolyn mccall's head to actually roll as a result of the fallout. now, my colleague eamonn holmes, i think it's safe to say, hasn't held back. perhaps put it only how he indeed could as a former presenter on this morning for 15 years, he tweeted , schofield has years, he tweeted, schofield has finally been caught out. but he's not the only guilty party for high members of itv. management knew what sort of man he was and never once took action to prevent him control, lying or taking advantage of his position over young people . and position over young people. and regarding holly willoughby's reaction, eamonn said this on this very channel. she said says, oh, the coach will not feel the same without him being there. well, feel the same without him being there . well, she wanted him not there. well, she wanted him not were.— there. well, she wanted him not were. so— there. well, she wanted him not there. so what's— there. well, she wanted him not there. so what's she— sii�*fli well, she wanted him not there. so what's she moaning adowi— there. so what's she moaning adowi i— there. so what's she moaning adowi i ine— there. so what's she moaning about ? the coach not feeling the about? the coach not feeling the for— about? the coach not feeling the for nor.— about? the coach not feeling the for her. i— about? the coach not feeling the same for her. i mean, they deserve— same for her. i mean, they oesewe easi— same for her. i mean, they deserve each other, i suppose . deserve each other, i suppose. weir— deserve each other, i suppose. weii said.—

deserve each other, i suppose. well said, eamonn— deserve each other, i suppose. well said, eamonn .— deserve each other, i suppose. well said, eamonn . she's- deserve each other, i suppose. well said, eamonn . she's more well said, eamonn. she's more fake than me. grandad's teeth , fake than me. grandad's teeth, i'll tell you that much, eamonn went on to say that schofield lied to both him and wife ruth langsford, adding that ruth and i were deceived and lied to. one day i will tell the story . she day i will tell the story. she had no issue with him being gay , only support what transpired and took us for fools. the man told us complete lies and we unfortunately believed him . now, unfortunately believed him. now, folks, it's all compounded , of folks, it's all compounded, of course, by months of bad press on the rift with this long time co—host holly willoughby. of course, his brothers sex abuse trial and the public outcry over his vip boston visit to our late and great queen's lying in state tonight , and great queen's lying in state tonight, willoughby issued a blistering statement . and blistering statement. and without a trademark use of pretty emojis by saying this it's taken time to process yesterday's news when reports of this relationship surfaced , i this relationship surfaced, i asked phil directly if this was true and was told it was not. it's been very hurtful to now

find out that this was a lie, which i'll tell you what is pretty interested , given dan pretty interested, given dan wootton reports for mailonline tonight, that itv cars ferried this young man from the tv studios to schofield's apartment inside , leaders are asking inside, leaders are asking questions about just how much was known of the unwise but not illegal . schofield's words, not illegal. schofield's words, not mine, by the way , relationship. mine, by the way, relationship. now i dare say this story is going to run on for the rest of the weekend. perhaps schofield is former puppet colleague gordon the golfer has a thing or two to say, but whatever more there is to come out, two to say, but whatever more there is to come out , the there is to come out, the muppeteer is clearly schofield. this is all enough to damage not just schofield but also itv and its defenders . now all i can see its defenders. now all i can see you're champing at the bit. they're ready to go for my jugular. so what do you make of all that? you don't agree with a word , do you? i think you're word, do you? i think you're owning— word, do you? i think you're owning worris— word, do you? i think you're putting words into- : cc» 7 i think you're putting words into my mouth.

darren— putting words into my mouth. darren-there- putting words into my mouth. darren.-there is- putting words into my mouth. darren. there is no doubt darren. look, there is no doubt in nw— darren. look, there is no doubt in no mino— darren. look, there is no doubt in my mind ai— darren. look, there is no doubt in my mind at all— darren. look, there is no doubt in my mind at all that phillip donorieio— in my mind at all that phillip schofield has— in my mind at all that phillip schofield has behaved , schofield has behaved, absolutely— schofield has behaved, absolutely reprehensibly . and i absolutely reprehensibly. and i wrink— absolutely reprehensibly. and i inink anis— absolutely reprehensibly. and i think this whole— absolutely reprehensibly. and i think this whole episode of what has happened— think this whole episode of what has happened ai— think this whole episode of what has happened at this morning has iainieo— has happened at this morning has rainreo wrai— has happened at this morning has tainted what is— has happened at this morning has tainted what is a— has happened at this morning has tainted what is a loved and oriented— tainted what is a loved and cherished television show by rniiiions— cherished television show by niiiions oi— cherished television show by millions of people across the connin— millions of people across the country who— millions of people across the country who tune— millions of people across the country who tune in every morning— country who tune in every morning ro— country who tune in every morning to watch this morning, anis— morning to watch this morning, even this week— morning to watch this morning, even this week ,_ morning to watch this morning, even this week , the prime even this week, the prime minister— even this week, the prime minister rishi _ even this week, the prime minister rishi sunak was found giriing— minister rishi sunak was found giriing-rneeiing- minister rishi sunak was found girling meeting alison girling over meeting alison hammond.— girling over meeting alison wannono. i— girling over meeting alison hammond. i have to say i would be hammond. i have to say i would do as— hammond. i have to say i would do as weir— hammond. i have to say i would do as weii ii— hammond. i have to say i would be as well if i— hammond. i have to say i would be as well if i had— hammond. i have to say i would be as well if i had the pleasure of be as well if i had the pleasure or meeting— be as well if i had the pleasure or neeiing a— be as well if i had the pleasure of meeting a cringe. i'm not going— of meeting a cringe. i'm not going ro— of meeting a cringe. i'm not going to ie— of meeting a cringe. i'm not going to lie. i loved it. as you could see from my twitter. but i think what i would— could see from my twitter. but i think what i would say- f: but i think what i would say about anis— think what i would say about this issue— think what i would say about this issue is— think what i would say about this issue is that— think what i would say about this issue is that we've got to remember-there- this issue is that we've got to remember there are real remember that there are real people— remember that there are real oeooie-nean- remember that there are real oeooie-nean or- remember that there are real people heart of this, people at the heart of this, stories— people at the heart of this, stories-stories.- stories of these stories. inere-s— stories of these stories. there's phillip of there's phillip schofield, ofj course - a - man there's phillip schofield, of. course -a -man in course there's a young man in question.— course there's a young man in question. there's— course there's a young man in question. there's philip's iarniiw— question. there's philip's raniiw iris— question. there's philip's family, his daughters, his wife, who— family, his daughters, his wife, woo-nes— family, his daughters, his wife, who-he's still- family, his daughters, his wife, who he's still married family, his daughters, his wife, whrand he's still married family, his daughters, his wife, whrand hewe'rel married family, his daughters, his wife, whrand hewe're talking d to. and so when we're talking adowi— to. and so when we're talking about-stories,- to. and so when we're talking about-stories, i- to. and so when we're talking about stories, i think about these stories, i think goi— about these stories, i think we've got remember that . and about these stories, i think w

by media. and i think my concern is we might be seeing something sirniiar— is we might be seeing something siniiar were.— is we might be seeing something similar here. and— is we might be seeing something similar here. and i— is we might be seeing something similar here. and i would really dare— similar here. and i would really hate-something— similar here. and i would really hate something like to hate for something like that to happen— hate for something like that to happen-even- hate for something like that to happen-even ii- happen to philip, even if i oornoiereiw— happen to philip, even if i completely what he's completely despise what he's iono— completely despise what he's tone-woo— completely despise what he's done-you know- completely despise what he's done -you know what?l done. do you know what? i actually don't agree with that at all. i mean, caroline was hounded. caroline flack is, hounded. caroline flack that is, was being hounded? did was he not being hounded? did you hound? he was you not just hound? he was hounded. i just hound. hounded. yes, i did. just hound. yes. rightly so. because yes. and rightly so. because he's liar and a charlatan. but he's a liar and a charlatan. but caroline hounded caroline flack was hounded because an argument, an because she had an argument, an altercation boyfriend . altercation with her boyfriend. and isn't the same as and this isn't the same as telling a complete litany of lies for years on end. well, she was accused of being an abuser. i mean, that was the accusation ano— i mean, that was the accusation ano inat— i mean, that was the accusation and war was— i mean, that was the accusation and that was what— i mean, that was the accusation and that was what was going around— and that was what was going around-media. - and that was what was going around media. and and that was what was going arounof media. and and that was what was going arounof course, media. and and that was what was going arounof course, beinina. and and that was what was going arounof course, being accused then, of course, being accused of then, of course, being accused or-rneani— then, of course, being accused of-meant that- then, of course, being accused of meant that then she of a crime meant that then she nai— of a crime meant that then she nan-nia— of a crime meant that then she nae-iriai by— of a crime meant that then she had trial by media. so had that trial by media. so i wrink— had that trial by media. so i think ine— had that trial by media. so i think the comparison is actually goite— think the comparison is actually gone-simian— think the comparison is actually quite,-similar.-you. quite, quite similar. and you know,— quite, quite similar. and youi know—tar know, philip schofield, as far as we are aware,— know, philip schofield, as far as we are aware, has done noting— as we are aware, has done nothing illegal.- as we are aware, has done nothing illegal. and i think nothing illegal. and so i think inor— nothing illegal. and so i think roar—use— nothing illegal. and so i think roar—use rise- nothing illegal. and so i think that use the media in that we cannot use the media in anis— that we cannot use the media in iris-donny— that we cannot use the media in iris-donny inn- that we cannot use the media in this-portray him in- that we cannot use the media in this portray him in this this way to portray him in this way.— this way to portray him in this way- _ this way to portray him in this way- dent-amin- this way to portray him in this. way.- benjamin,-do way. right. benjamin, what do you with that? well, no, i you agree with that? well, no, i think, you know,— you agree with that? well, no, i think, you know, philip,- agflzrz m7 well, no, i think, you know, philip, at the eno— think, you know, philip, at the end or— think, you know, philip, at the end of ne— think, you know, philip, at the end of the day,— think, you know, philip, at the end of the day, you don't have a rigor— end of the day, you don't have a right ro— end of the day, you don't have a right to de— end of the day, you don't have a right to do a— end of the day, you don't have a right to be a media— end of the day, you don't have a right to be a media personality or—ir— right to be a media personality

or—ir-a- or a tv star. if you're a horrible person, you tell lies to your colleagues, you tell lies to your superiors, and you behave certain where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse certain where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse acertain where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse a position where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse a position of where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse a position of power you abuse a position of power and the people below you potentially, you know, allegedly. i think there's allegedly. i don't think there's any-ne— allegedly. i don't think there's any-ire snowin— allegedly. i don't think there's any-he should ever- g: i don't think there's any he should ever work any reason he should ever work in ne— any reason he should ever work in no media— any reason he should ever work in the media again and certainly not ai— in the media again and certainly not at w.— in the media again and certainly not at iiv. so— in the media again and certainly not at itv. so think, you not at itv. so i think, you know,— not at itv. so i think, you know, its— not at itv. so i think, you know, it's one— not at itv. so i think, you know, it's one thing to say -we-reinn - know, it's one thing to say- we're-him. .another we're hounding him. it's another rising— we're hounding him. it's another rising-inat— we're hounding him. it's another rising-inn ire-s— we're hounding him. it's another thing that he's been thing to say that he's been rignriw— thing to say that he's been. rightly—behaving rightly chastised for behaving andr— rightly chastised for behaving and,-misusing- and, you know, misusing his position—neani and, you know, misusing his. position—mean, i'll position for years. i mean, i'll insa— position for years. i mean, i'll just that it's doubt it's just say that it's doubt it's only phil schofield who's in the wrong. of course. i mean, wrong. now, of course. i mean, i don't know how much we can say, but quite clear but i think it's quite clear that been a number of that there's been a number of people who knew about this bad behaviour to behaviour when it came to management. of protecting management. a lot of protecting him face of itv. and him as this big face of itv. and i this tells us something i think this tells us something about media and showbiz in about the media and showbiz in general. there's a lot of protecting people, a lot protecting of people, a lot of protecting of people, a lot of protecting of people, a lot of protecting of reputations. there's people there's a lot of throwing people under if they don't suit under the bus if they don't suit your narrative. and i think this is it's captured is why it's captured the imagination many people imagination of so many people across country, because it across the country, because it seems for them, seems one rule for them, one rule another. and think rule for another. and i think that's why gets to people. that's why it gets to people. and he was protected for so

long. i to say it brings me long. i have to say it brings me no treasure— long. i have to say it brings me no oieaswre in— long. i have to say it brings me no pleasure in saying- wig i have to say it brings me no pleasure in saying but no pleasure in saying this, but i no pleasure in saying this, but i—was— i think if this was a relationship between a senior rnaie— relationship between a senior naie presenter— relationship between a senior male presenter and a younger woman, runner , i— male presenter and a younger woman, runner , i don't actually woman, runner, i don't actually wrink— woman, runner, i don't actually think no— woman, runner, i don't actually think he would— woman, runner, i don't actually think he would have got away wiri— think he would have got away with i— think he would have got away with ii for— think he would have got away with it for so— think he would have got away with it for so long. and i think it with it for so long. and i think i is— with it for so long. and i think it is disappointing that in twing— it is disappointing that in trying noi— it is disappointing that in trying not io— it is disappointing that in trying not to be homophobic, oernaos— trying not to be homophobic, perhaps pimple— trying not to be homophobic, perhaps people did not call out anis— perhaps people did not call out this behaviour— perhaps people did not call out this behaviour sooner , but i this behaviour sooner, but i guess— this behaviour sooner, but i goesseoawse-d- this behaviour sooner, but i guess because it would guess that's because it would nave— guess that's because it would have orien— guess that's because it would have outed him— guess that's because it would have outed him and i think that ine— have outed him and i think that no extra— have outed him and i think that was the extra the _ have outed him and i think that was the extra the level because wow-re— was the extra the level because you're-someone as- was the extra the level because you're someone as being you're outing someone as being gay,— you're outing someone as being gay, arena— you're outing someone as being gay, aren-r you? — you're outing someone as being gay, aren't you? vii" it gay, aren't you? which is another which is even more difficult thing do than difficult thing to do than outing having outing someone for having an extramarital do you extramarital affair. do you think morning should be think this morning should be taken off air? would you know? i don't i don't think it should be taken off air. i think alison and dermot will do a great job on show. love alison on the show. i love alison hammond. she's one of my favourite personalities ever. favourite tv personalities ever. and if can save this and i think if she can save this morning, then that's a good thing. quite jolly and thing. she's quite jolly and jolly. she a personality. i jolly. she has a personality. i saw-standing— jolly. she has a personality. i saw-standing-to- she has a personality. i saw standing to holly saw her standing next to holly when— saw her standing next to holly when new— saw her standing next to holly when they co—hosted and when they co—hosted together and arnie— when they co—hosted together and arnie-ine— when they co—hosted together and arnie-rite a— when they co—hosted together and arnie-like a piece- when they co—hosted together and arnie-like a piece of- arnie looked like a piece of diese— arnie looked like a piece of piece-compared. arnie looked like a piece of. piece-comparedlher arnie looked like a piece of- piece-comparedlher on piece of wood compared to her on non — piece of wood compared to her on non -aiison— piece of wood compared to her on

her. -alison-outshone. her. alison alison did outshone owisnine— her. alison alison did outshone outshine her. _ her. alison alison did outshone outshine her. she— her. alison alison did outshone outshine her. r: r: ' r: outshine her. she did. and i think what we're looking at the viewing figures with this morning, dropped by morning, they've dropped by about had about 170,000 since philip had resigned so i actually think at resigned. so i actually think at the of day, this morning the end of the day, this morning is philip and and whilst is philip and holly. and whilst they are gone, maybe they dropped scandal. dropped because of the scandal. maybe. absolutely. maybe. yeah. well, absolutely. do think maybe. yeah. well, absolutely. do-ininw neopre— maybe. yeah. well, absolutely. do-think people will- maybe. yeah. well, absolutely. do-think people will go- maybe. “in?“ 39°c“ glint do think people will go back do you think people will go back to do you think people will go back ro anis— do you think people will go back to this morning— do you think people will go back to this morning this, to this morning after this, this were— to this morning after this, this whore-wet,- to this morning after this, this. whole-well,-because whole fiasco? well, no, because on-rnere— whole fiasco? well, no, because on-inere is— whole fiasco? well, no, because on-inere is an- on gb news there is an alternative. - on gb news there is an alternative. on gb news there is an- alternative. so also the whole thing about show, if you've thing about the show, if you've bothered it ever, bothered watching it ever, i mean, it might not be top of your list, but it's all about talking about people's dilemma. mas they've treated mas and the way they've treated people— mas and the way they've treated oeooie-iiwes. — mas and the way they've treated people lives. affairs, people in their lives. affairs, ironw— people in their lives. affairs, ironylbullyin9_ people in their lives. affairs, irony bullying of this. irony, bullying and all of this. ano— irony, bullying and all of this. ana-ii— irony, bullying and all of this. and-it would— irony, bullying and all of this. and-it would be- irony, bullying and all of this. and it would be impossible and it's it would be impossible for and it's it would be impossible tor—a— and it's it would be impossible tor—a siraigni- and it's it would be impossible for—a straight face| for phil to keep a straight face i for phil to keep a straight face iininw— for phil to keep a straight face iinink now— for phil to keep a straight face i think now anyway. holly, i think now anyway. and holly, ioo. — i think now anyway. and holly, ioo. -iiwe— i think now anyway. and holly, too-like she'll- i think now anyway. and holly, too. -like she'll be. too. well, it's like she'll be risen— too. well, it's like she'll be then ini— too. well, it's like she'll be then phil handed david cameron a list then phil handed david cameron a is or— then phil handed david cameron a is or iris— then phil handed david cameron a list of mps accused— then phil handed david cameron a list of mps accused of certain airings— list of mps accused of certain things by— list of mps accused of certain things dy rise— list of mps accused of certain things by the way, unsubstantiated on air and rnings dy one way,— unsubstantiated on air and said, are you— unsubstantiated on air and said, are you going— unsubstantiated on air and said, are you going ro— unsubstantiated on air and said, are you going to deal this? are you going to deal with this? ano— are you going to deal with this? andlthink— are you going to deal with this? andlthink its— are you going to deal with this? and ithink it's terrible.- are you going to deal with this? andlthink it's terrible. it's- and i think it's terrible. it's the moralising this the moralising nature of this morning totally morning has been totally undermined but mean, morning has been totally untyounned but mean, morning has been totally untyou think but mean, morning has been totally untyou think holly but mean, morning has been totally untyou think holly willt mean, morning has been totally untyou think holly will be mean, do you think holly will be impacted by this, emily? i think she will. i mean, that statement

that you just read out, it's a little bit i guess pathetic is the word for it. i mean, the right word for it. i mean, she's obviously trying to cover her back. she's saying i was lied i'm the here. lied to. i'm the victim here. that true. it may not be that may be true. it may not be true . so i don't know exactly true. so i don't know exactly what's on in her head. but what's going on in her head. but of course, she weak and of course, s she looks weak and i don't think she was that this is a bit harsh, but i don't think she was all that. anyway so whether it was her phil so whether it was her and phil that the magic or her in that made the magic or her in someone we'll out, someone else, we'll find out, won't we? well, absolutely. and someone else, we'll find out, vimean'e? well, absolutely. and someone else, we'll find out, vimean ,? well, absolutely. and �*rmean , itviell, absolutely. and �*rmean , itv haveibsolutely. and �*rmean , itv have gotlutely. and �*rmean , itv have got realy. and someone else, we'll find out, vimean , itv have got real well, i mean, itv have got real well, trey-we— i mean, itv have got real well, rney-we goi— i mean, itv have got real well, one, they've got questions to dwi— one, they've got questions to answer, but also— one, they've got questions to answer, but also they're going to dave— answer, but also they're going to dave ro— answer, but also they're going to have to find— answer, but also they're going to have to find replacements in awnoie— to have to find replacements in awnoie nosi— to have to find replacements in a whole host of— to have to find replacements in a whole host of shows because iniiiio— a whole host of shows because phillip—of. phillip schofield was all of nose— phillip schofield was all of those shows. _ phillip schofield was all of those shows. no : those shows. no one's heard of. absolutely. absolutely. i haven-i— absolutely. absolutely. i haven't actually- ' glint absolutely. i haven't actually heard of the two— haven't actually heard of the iwo oi— haven't actually heard of the iwo oi-ine— haven't actually heard of the two of-the cube- haven't actually heard of the two of-the cube ,- haven't actually heard of the two of the cube , and i two of cube. the cube, and i can-i— two of cube. the cube, and i can't even remember. i have neari— can't even remember. i have heart or— can't even remember. i have heart of ne— can't even remember. i have heard of the other one. i oowion-r— heard of the other one. i couldn't-you- heard of the other one. i couldn't-you what. heard of the other one. i couldn't you what happened couldn't tell you what happened in but i have heard not the in it, but i have heard not the one where they get the kit off. no, that's on channel 4 one. wean. anyway,— no, that's on channel 4 one. wean. anyway, wo— no, that's on channel 4 one. “iii?" anyway, up next, i just yeah. anyway, up next, i just wanted— yeah. anyway, up next, i just wanted ro— yeah. anyway, up next, i just wanted to say— yeah. anyway, up next, i just wanted to say that- “iii?" anyway, up next, i just wanted to say that up next, it's going— wanted to say that up next, it's going io— wanted to say that up next, it's going to de— wanted to say that up next, it's going to de-ano-

wanted to say that up next, it's going to be and albie is going to be albie and albie is going— going to be albie and albie is going io— going to be albie and albie is going to preach— going to be albie and albie is going to preach to us why he reons— going to preach to us why he reckons religious— going to preach to us why he reckons religious fundamentalist us reckons religious fundamentalist us snowion-i— reckons religious fundamentalist us shouldn't be— reckons religious fundamentalist us shouldn't be teachers . o” us shouldn't be teachers. off you— us shouldn't be teachers. off you gon— us shouldn't be teachers. off you go, arnie.— us shouldn't be teachers. off you go, albie. get— us shouldn't be teachers. off you go, albie. get ready for a preaching. so teachers should not preaching. so teachers should noi eoress— preaching. so teachers should not express opposing- f q so teachers should not express opposing political views— not express opposing political wnen — not express opposing political views when they're teaching students— views when they're teaching students and _ views when they're teaching students and if— views when they're teaching students and if they do arise, rney— students and if they do arise, rney snowin— students and if they do arise, they should present those views in a— they should present those views in a way— they should present those views in a way wineri— they should present those views in a way which does not prey-noise— in a way which does not prejudice the- in a way which does not prejudice the opinions of the young— prejudice the opinions of the young pimple— prejudice the opinions of the young people that they are roasting.— young people that they are reaoning. so— young people that they are teaching. so why is it that aiiegeoiy— teaching. so why is it that aiiegeoiy a— teaching. so why is it that allegedly a maths teacher was sporting— allegedly a maths teacher was soowring ori— allegedly a maths teacher was spouting off about homosexuality and iris— spouting off about homosexuality and his opposition— spouting off about homosexuality and his opposition to same sex marriage— and his opposition to same sex marriage in— and his opposition to same sex marriage in a— and his opposition to same sex marriage in a maths class? now now our very own calvin robinson interviewing— now our very own calvin robinson was interviewing mr— now our very own calvin robinson was interviewing mr joshua snowme— was interviewing mr joshua sutcliffe earlier on today and mr sutcliffe _ sutcliffe earlier on today and mr sutcliffe claims that he was snook— mr sutcliffe claims that he was struck on— mr sutcliffe claims that he was struck off because— mr sutcliffe claims that he was struck off because he simply misgenoereo— struck off because he simply misgendered a— struck off because he simply misgendered a student by accident,— misgendered a student by accident, which would be outrageous— accident, which would be outrageous if— accident, which would be outrageous if it was true . but outrageous if it was true. but its— outrageous if it was true. but its not — outrageous if it was true. but its not irr— outrageous if it was true. but it's not. mrjoshua outrageous if it was true. but it's not. mr joshua sutcliffe snook— it's not. mr joshua sutcliffe was struck off— it's not. mr joshua sutcliffe was struck off rightly, in my wew— was struck off rightly, in my .— was struck off rightly, in my view , because— was struck off rightly, in my view , because he was unable to view, because he was unable to separate— view, because he was unable to separate iris— view, because he was unable to separate his strongly held reiigiows— separate his strongly held religious views with his duty to

treat— religious views with his duty to treat att— religious views with his duty to treat all students— religious views with his duty to treat all students with respect ant— treat all students with respect ant tignity— treat all students with respect ant tignity .— treat all students with respect and dignity . arnie now you tell and dignity. arnie now you tell now— and dignity. arnie now you tell now is— and dignity. arnie now you tell now is it— and dignity. arnie now you tell me, how is it that— and dignity. arnie now you tell me, how is it that someone could treat— me, how is it that someone could treat a— me, how is it that someone could treat a gay— me, how is it that someone could treat a gay student— me, how is it that someone could treat a gay student or a muslim statem— treat a gay student or a muslim stwtent witn— treat a gay student or a muslim student with respect and dignity if student with respect and dignity it trey— student with respect and dignity it they nave— student with respect and dignity if they have openly said that trey— if they have openly said that they mint— if they have openly said that they think islam and homosexuality is an abomination? or homosexuality is an abomination? dr inteet— homosexuality is an abomination? dr inteet mat— homosexuality is an abomination? or indeed that all— homosexuality is an abomination? or indeed that all sin deserves the or indeed that all sin deserves tne teati— or indeed that all sin deserves the death penalty? that's right . if the death penalty? that's right . it you— the death penalty? that's right . it you nave— the death penalty? that's right . it you have a— the death penalty? that's right . if you have a couple too many strips— . if you have a couple too many onips town— . if you have a couple too many chips down the— . if you have a couple too many chips down the pub, you're off for chips down the pub, you're off tor tire— chips down the pub, you're off tor tire stop.— chips down the pub, you're off for the chop. sounds a bit over tire— for the chop. sounds a bit over tire top— for the chop. sounds a bit over tire top to— for the chop. sounds a bit over me top to me— for the chop. sounds a bit over the top to me. now you're perteotiy— the top to me. now you're perfectly entitled to have these points— perfectly entitled to have these points ot— perfectly entitled to have these points ot view— perfectly entitled to have these points of view, but i would argue— points of view, but i would argue yon— points of view, but i would argue you should be nowhere near argue you should be nowhere near at tiere— argue you should be nowhere near a classroom here at— argue you should be nowhere near a classroom here at gb news. we otten— a classroom here at gb news. we otten tatt— a classroom here at gb news. we often talk about— a classroom here at gb news. we often talk about the _ a classroom here at gb news. we often talk about the woke indoctrination _ often talk about the woke indoctrination of our schools ant— indoctrination of our schools ant otten— indoctrination of our schools and often it's— indoctrination of our schools and often it's justified. but if going— and often it's justified. but if going to— and often it's justified. but if we're going to take that line, got— we're going to take that line, got to— we're going to take that line, we've got to call— we're going to take that line, we've got to call out crankery wherever we find— we've got to call out crankery wherever we find it. and the crankery— wherever we find it. and the crankery ot— wherever we find it. and the crankery of religious fundamentalism has no place in our classroom . so— fundamentalism has no place in our classroom . so go. darren. our classroom. so go. darren. i-ve— our classroom. so go. darren. i-ve got— our classroom. so go. darren. i-ve got a— our classroom. so go. darren. i've got a feeling— our classroom. so go. darren. i've got a feeling that you might— i've got a feeling that you might disagree with me on this,

but might disagree with me on this, dot i— might disagree with me on this, dot i migrat— might disagree with me on this, dot i migiot de— might disagree with me on this, but i might be wrong. yeah is mis— but i might be wrong. yeah is this giving— but i might be wrong. yeah is this giving more— but i might be wrong. yeah is this giving more more fire to tire— this giving more more fire to tire wooty— this giving more more fire to the woody argument, which is mat— the woody argument, which is that go— the woody argument, which is that it? won— the woody argument, which is that it? you cannot be a christian— that it? you cannot be a christian in— that it? you cannot be a christian in public society and mat— christian in public society and that tits— christian in public society and that this is— christian in public society and that this is an— christian in public society and that this is an attack on retigiows— that this is an attack on religious freedom or is it a tegitimate— religious freedom or is it a legitimate concern that i have initiaiiy— legitimate concern that i have initiaiiy .— legitimate concern that i have initiatiy , my— legitimate concern that i have initially , my response to this initially, my response to this to— initially, my response to this to say— initially, my response to this to say it— initially, my response to this was to say it is— initially, my response to this was to say it is absolutely outrageous— was to say it is absolutely outrageous that that a teacher is unatte— outrageous that that a teacher is wnadie to— outrageous that that a teacher is unable to work— outrageous that that a teacher is unable to work again. �*7 is unable to work again. if they misgender— is unable to work again. if they misgenoer a— is unable to work again. if they misgender a pupil right. i thought that that was totally obscene . and then when i read obscene. and then when i read that, he actually on television spoke about this particular child. now i don't happen to believe it's appropriate to speak about a child on television when you're still a teacher, which he was at the time. but what i would say, though, is i really wish that the same outcry and the outpouring of , if the same outcry and the outpouring of, if i can use a biblical term at this particular

teacher, was directed at the nutjobs that were surrounding threatening the life of the batley grammar school teacher or the autistic kid who scuffed a copy of the quran and was had life threats to his life, actually made . it strikes me actually made. it strikes me that it's all right to attack a christian for their views when it comes to education. but we are unable completely to actually address to talk about what the significant issues that exist when it comes to islam in britain's schools . so i would britain's schools. so i would just like a bit of a balanced playing plainfield, to be honest. but benjamin lock nine, we often on this channel we talk about issues pertaining to what happened with the autistic child and the quran being scuffed there was a lot, in fact, of outrage at what happened at the batley grammar school, but also the anti lgbt protest outside schools in nottingham and birmingham. so that does happen . dot— birmingham. so that does happen . dot dot— birmingham. so that does happen

. dot dot toes— birmingham. so that does happen . but but does this— birmingham. so that does happen . but but does this prove- gr?“ so that does happen . but but does this prove this insistent— . but but does this prove this incident that— . but but does this prove this incident that you— . but but does this prove this incident that you can't be a devout— incident that you can't be a devout religious— incident that you can't be a devout religious person in the pawn— devout religious person in the public sphere? _ devout religious person in the public sphere? gist public sphere? i've got no problem with people complaining about this if you disagree with him. but i think you should also condemn the left wing teachers, as wing teachers who as many left wing teachers who use position as a teacher use their position as a teacher in children to spread in charge of children to spread their beliefs and their sort of ideas because they've got impressionable young minds and they fill them with things that they fill them with things that they believe. and there's absolutely no outrage. there's no condemnation— absolutely no outrage. there's no condemnation of- 3 there's no condemnation of those people. but no condemnation of those people. dot wnen— no condemnation of those people. dot wnen ne— no condemnation of those people. but when he happens— no condemnation of those people. but when he happens to- no condemnation of those people. but when he happens to be- but when he happens to be a christian, suddenly it's a big problem . i think there is problem. i think there is a double standard there. but emily, i went to r:r:::r. 3: but emily, i went to christian emily, i went to a christian sonooi. — emily, i went to a christian school. iwent_ emily, i went to a christian school. iwent to - emily, i went to a christian school. iwent to a- emily, i went to a christian school. f emily, i went to a christian- school. iwent to a school that school. i went to a school that was literally called imani school, never came across was literally called imani schoo that never came across was literally called imani schoo that were ever came across was literally called imani schoo that were spoutede across was literally called imani schoo that were spouted by:ross was literally called imani schoo that were spouted by this views that were spouted by this man. and what i read in this report into why he was struck off from profession, was he off from the profession, was he saying this in class? so is there is there a problem with someone having these really quite fundamentalist christian beliefs and teaching in schools? is it compatible? well, if you if you spout in the classroom

your beliefs. yes. you probably snowitn-t— your beliefs. yes. you probably moment to— your beliefs. yes. you probably shouldn't be in— your beliefs. yes. you probably shouldn't be in that— ” yes. you probably shouldn't be in that profession . dot— shouldn't be in that profession . dot i— shouldn't be in that profession . dot i mint— shouldn't be in that profession . but i think on— shouldn't be in that profession . but i think on benjamin's point— . but i think on benjamin's point adoot— . but i think on benjamin's point about the _ . but i think on benjamin's point about the left wing indoctrination— point about the left wing indoctrination in schools, you know,— indoctrination in schools, you know a— indoctrination in schools, you know a iot— indoctrination in schools, you know, a lot of— indoctrination in schools, you know, a lot of people think, oh, mat-s— know, a lot of people think, oh, tnat-s rost— know, a lot of people think, oh, that's just daily— know, a lot of people think, oh, that's just daily mail nonsense . voo— that's just daily mail nonsense . too now,— that's just daily mail nonsense . you know, that's— that's just daily mail nonsense . you know, that's just what yoo-ii— . you know, that's just what yoo-ii tint— . you know, that's just what you'll find in— . you know, that's just what you'll find in the tabloid passp— you'll find in the tabloid newspapers, the right wing newspaper— newspapers, the right wing newspaper-but- newspapers, the right wing newspaper but it's newspaper is. but it's oompietety- newspaper is. but it's completely it is completely true. it is completely- completely true. it is- completely-campbell completely alastair campbell itiastair— completely alastair campbell alastair campbell, course, alastair campbell, of course, dian-s— alastair campbell, of course, blair's spinner,— alastair campbell, of course, blair's spinner, he saying blair's spinner, he was saying now— blair's spinner, he was saying now no— blair's spinner, he was saying how he thinks— blair's spinner, he was saying how he thinks children aged five and how he thinks children aged five ant opwarts— how he thinks children aged five and upwards should have poiitioai— and upwards should have political education in schools. amm— political education in schools. mmm doesn-t— political education in schools. hmm doesn't take it doesn't take a genios— hmm doesn't take it doesn't take a genios to— hmm doesn't take it doesn't take a genius to work— hmm doesn't take it doesn't take a genius to work out. a, a genius to work out. but emily, emily, if we can actually just stick to the topic. no, no, no. what stick to the topic. no, no, no. what was— stick to the topic. no, no, no. what was interesting- it. no, no, no. what was interesting at one what was interesting atone pong,— what was interesting atone point, very— what was interesting at one point, very quickly, one of the attegations— point, very quickly, one of the allegations which— point, very quickly, one of the allegations which was upheld in this report— allegations which was upheld in this report was— allegations which was upheld in this report was that he spoke adoot— this report was that he spoke adoot iris— this report was that he spoke about his opposition to same sex marriage— about his opposition to same sex marriage in— about his opposition to same sex marriage in a— about his opposition to same sex marriage in a maths lesson . if marriage in a maths lesson. if yoo— marriage in a maths lesson. if yoo san— marriage in a maths lesson. if you can condemn— marriage in a maths lesson. if you can condemn woke indoctrination, can you condemn misa— indoctrination, can you condemn this? i— indoctrination, can you condemn this? i i— indoctrination, can you condemn this? i i literally— indoctrination, can you condemn this? i i literally just said i ton-t— this? i i literally just said i ton-t mint— this? i i literally just said i don't think he's— this? i i literally just said i don't think he's in the right protession— don't think he's in the right profession, but— don't think he's in the right profession, but i— don't think he's in the right profession, but i think the more interesting— profession, but i think the more interesting question is the fact mat— interesting question is the fact that indoctrination in that we have indoctrination in our that we have indoctrination in oorenera—gi- that we have indoctrination in oorenera—gt - that we have indoctrination in our-general. andl our schools in general. and i

mint— our schools in general. and i tnint it— our schools in general. and i think it needs— our schools in general. and i think it needs to be a balance across the board. so no, i wouldn't want a muslim teacher doing that and i wouldn't want a christian that. christian teacher doing that. if you send your children you choose to send your children to school , then to a religious school, then perhaps we have some leniency. their freedom perhaps we have some leniency. theirfreedom conscience perhaps we have some leniency. their freedom conscience , their freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of expression and so on. but in a state run school, i can't see there's any justification in and it's quite remarkable, actually, that he has gone on the media and said all these things in this day and age. well, yeah, what i— this day and age. well, yeah, what i would— this day and age. well, yeah, what i would say— this day and age. well, yeah, what i would say to- by? pr: 3 well, yeah, what i would say to that, cc; pr: 3 well, yeah, what i would say to that, sorry, dot— what i would say to that, sorry, dot wrat— what i would say to that, sorry, dot what i— what i would say to that, sorry, but what i would— what i would say to that, sorry, but what i would just to aotoaity— but what i would just to actually speak for this man , actually speak up for this man, gm,— actually speak up for this man, om, ne— actually speak up for this man, om, ire tit— actually speak up for this man, um, he did just.— actually speak up for this man, um, he did just. come on, calvin itodinson-s— um, he did just. come on, calvin robinson's show— um, he did just. come on, calvin robinson's show just before we on air ant— robinson's show just before we were on air and say that astoaiiy— were on air and say that actually what- were on air and say that actually what he was saying was mat— actually what he was saying was that sinist— actually what he was saying was that christ died— actually what he was saying was that christ died for— actually what he was saying was that christ died for our sins. he that christ died for our sins. me wsnt— that christ died for our sins. he wasn't saying all sinners most— he wasn't saying all sinners most to— he wasn't saying all sinners must be murdered in an act of, i ton-t— must be murdered in an act of, i ton-t know,— must be murdered in an act of, i ton-t tnow sm— must be murdered in an act of, i don't know, some theologian venioie— don't know, some theologian vehicle genocide— don't know, some theologian vehicle genocide . he was saying vehicle genocide. he was saying mat— vehicle genocide. he was saying that aotoaiiy— vehicle genocide. he was saying that actually christ died for our sins. we're— that actually christ died for our sins. we're all forgiven for giving— our sins. we're all forgiven for giving sinners— our sins. we're all forgiven for giving sinners, which is a fundamental— giving sinners, which is a fundamental of christian belief.

if i fundamental of christian belief. it i wonder— fundamental of christian belief. if i wonder what— fundamental of christian belief. if i wonder what people at home mint,— if i wonder what people at home gin, its— if i wonder what people at home gin, its a— if i wonder what people at home think, it's a tricky— if i wonder what people at home think, it's a tricky one. c think, it's a tricky one. it's a tricky— think, it's a tricky one. it's a tricky one— think, it's a tricky one. it's a tricky to— think, it's a tricky one. it's a tricky one to balance because obviously we've got freedom of speech, but it works both ways and we can't have indoctrination in schools, particularly if you're teacher. mean, you're a maths teacher. i mean, what marriage got to do what is gay marriage got to do with with maths, perhaps? perhaps link. who perhaps there is a link. who knows? to come knows? anyway, still to come tonight, the latest tonight, i will have the latest from lovable rogues. just from those lovable rogues. just stop my carver pallava stop oil in my carver pallava ream ask whether keir keir ream will ask whether keir keir starmer has the guts to fix britain's care problems britain's health care problems or terminal? but up or are they terminal? but up next, benjamin asks if child killers deserve the death penalty. you're the saturday five live on

afford not to. you're : you're listening afford not to. you're listening to on— afford not to. you're listening to on wews— afford not to. you're listening to gb news radio— afford not to. you're listening to gb news radio .- : you're listening to gb news radio . well come back to gb news radio. well come back to gb news radio. well come back to tire— to gb news radio. well come back to tire satortay— to gb news radio. well come back to the saturday five. as always . yove— to the saturday five. as always , you've been sending in your emails. thank you very much. on phil schofield. jean says this guy is a muppet and a liar to the point but that was then . the point but that was then. this is now. move on. stop hounding before something bad happens. don't you dare start on

holly. oh, happens. don't you dare start on holly . oh, that's us. told. oh, holly. oh, that's us. told. oh, mat— holly. oh, that's us. told. oh, mat is— holly. oh, that's us. told. oh, that is us. told i thought she was an agreement till then. and maggie said the teacher was not saying we should be killed if we sin, but that we all die eventually because we are sinners . yeah, this not sinners. yeah, this is not fundamentalism . it is ordinary fundamentalism. it is ordinary christianity . yeah. are we christianity. yeah. are we getting all het up about bog standard christian teaching us debate that again . but first, debate that again. but first, let's debate our next debate which is ben loughnane . he's not which is ben loughnane. he's not holding back on his saturday five debut. he thinks it's time to bring back capital punishment . yes, it's time for big ben to chime in. well all capital punishment, you know, very contentious issue. you know, we used contentious issue. you know, we oset to— contentious issue. you know, we oset to dave— contentious issue. you know, we oset to have it— contentious issue. you know, we used to have it for— contentious issue. you know, we used to have it for a— contentious issue. you know, we used to have it for a very- you know, we used to have it for a very long time— used to have it for a very long time ant— used to have it for a very long time ant we— used to have it for a very long time and we abolished it some years— time and we abolished it some years ago— time and we abolished it some years ago wow— time and we abolished it some years ago now .— time and we abolished it some years ago now . well, many years ago now. well, many teams— years ago now. well, many teoates ago,— years ago now. well, many decades ago, in— years ago now. well, many decades ago, in fact. but should it do— decades ago, in fact. but should it do gagg— decades ago, in fact. but should it to time? is— decades ago, in fact. but should it be time? is it— decades ago, in fact. but should it be time? is it time really? shooto— it be time? is it time really? shoot it— it be time? is it time really? should it be— it be time? is it time really? should it be brought back? deoaose— should it be brought back? because we've— should it be brought back? because we've seen a recent spate— because we've seen a recent spatelnorritio— because we've seen a recent spate horrific crimes where spate of horrific crimes where peopie— spate of horrific crimes where peopte are— spate of horrific crimes where peopte dang— spate of horrific crimes where people are bang to rights . we people are bang to rights. we dave, in— people are bang to rights. we now have, in fact,— people are bang to rights. we now have, in fact, more methods titan— now have, in fact, more methods man ever— now have, in fact, more methods tnan to— now have, in fact, more methods than ever to establish guilt to a—tnan- than ever to establish guilt to a—tnanititl a higher degree than we did previoosiy. — a higher degree than we did previoosty. we— a higher degree than we did previously. we have video

evitence— previously. we have video evidence, forensic evidence. we have — evidence, forensic evidence. we have -ot— evidence, forensic evidence. we have of establishing for have methods of establishing for certain— have methods of establishing for certain mat— have methods of establishing for certain that people are guilty. wove— certain that people are guilty. we've-cases like- certain that people are guilty. we've cases like the we've seen in cases like the recent— we've seen in cases like the recent child _ we've seen in cases like the recent child ,_ we've seen in cases like the recent child , findlay, who was recent child, findlay, who was mugged,— recent child, findlay, who was murdered, should— recent child, findlay, who was murdered, should people like critt— murdered, should people like child killers— murdered, should people like child killers be— murdered, should people like child killers be given the death penaity— child killers be given the death penatty it— child killers be given the death penatty it it— child killers be given the death penatty it it is— child killers be given the death penalty if it is beyond complete toth— penalty if it is beyond complete toth mat— penalty if it is beyond complete doubt that they— penalty if it is beyond complete doubt that they are guilty? wove— doubt that they are guilty? we-ve aiso — doubt that they are guilty? we've also seen other cases , not we've also seen other cases, not post— we've also seen other cases, not post critt— we've also seen other cases, not just child killers,— we've also seen other cases, not just child killers, people like wayne— just child killers, people like wayne cousins,— just child killers, people like wayne cousins, who was adsoioteiy— wayne cousins, who was absolutely bang to rights and did something— absolutely bang to rights and did something completely horrendous— did something completely horrendous and beyond reproach . horrendous and beyond reproach. snooit— horrendous and beyond reproach. shoot to— horrendous and beyond reproach. should he have— horrendous and beyond reproach. should he have received the team— should he have received the death penalty?— should he have received the death penalty? interestingly when— death penalty? interestingly wnen yoo— death penalty? interestingly wnen yoo to— death penalty? interestingly when you do poll people on the team— when you do poll people on the team penaity— when you do poll people on the death penalty, they tend to be against— death penalty, they tend to be against it.— death penalty, they tend to be against it. but— death penalty, they tend to be against it. but when you give it against it. but when you give it avery— against it. but when you give it a very specitic— against it. but when you give it a very specific case where you say,— a very specific case where you say, tor— a very specific case where you say, tor evampie, — a very specific case where you say, for example, drummer lee itigdy-s— say, for example, drummer lee rigby's murderers— say, for example, drummer lee rigby's murderers stood in rigby's murderers who stood in nont— rigby's murderers who stood in tent-camera— rigby's murderers who stood in front camera holding front of a camera holding a diootiet— front of a camera holding a bloodied-and- front of a camera holding a. bloodied-and-that bloodied knife and saying that they— bloodied knife and saying that they-sorry— bloodied knife and saying that trey-sorry tor- bloodied knife and saying that they sorry for what they were not sorry for what they— they were not sorry for what gray-rag, — they were not sorry for what they-fact, they - they were not sorry for what they fact, they believed they did, in fact, they believed it-tneir— they did, in fact, they believed it-their moral— it was their moral responsibility in responsibility to do so. in mose— responsibility to do so. in those cases,— responsibility to do so. in those cases, people say, well, in-mayte— those cases, people say, well, in .maybe .that- those cases, people say, well,| in .maybe .that-we in fact, maybe in that case we shooto— in fact, maybe in that case we snooit nave— in fact, maybe in that case we should have the— in fact, maybe in that case we should have the death penalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat'sie the death penalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat's all�*ie death penalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat's all i'm eath penalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat's all i'm askingtnalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat's all i'm asking for. y. and that's all i'm asking for. in and that's all i'm asking for. in—evtreme- and that's all i'm asking for.| in_extreme cases in the absolute extreme cases where— in the absolute extreme cases where-absolutely- in the absolute extreme cases where absolutely no where there's absolutely no toth.— where there's absolutely no toott—navel where there's absolutely no. doubt._have that doubt. why can't we have that option— doubt. why can't we have that option in— doubt. why can't we have that option in tave— doubt. why can't we have that option in law? i'm— doubt. why can't we have that option in law? i'm sure, albie, yoo-ii— option in law? i'm sure, albie, yoo-ii disagree— option in law? i'm sure, albie, you'll disagree . _ option in law? i'm sure, albie,

you'll disagree . i- option in law? i'm sure, albie, you'll disagree . r:r:::r c you'll disagree. i don't know what gave you that impression, but you're absolutely right . i but you're absolutely right. i do disagree with you , uh, do disagree with you, uh, benjamin loughnane, because i often argue that the state does too much and i don't think it is for the state to decide who lives and who dies. i think i'm sure we can have more a more strenuous criminal justice system with longer sentence cases, harsher punishments . but cases, harsher punishments. but i would feel very uncomfortable all with the state sanctioning the death of a criminal, even if the death of a criminal, even if the crime that they did was heinous. well, i'm the crime that they did was heinous . well, i'm sympathetic heinous. well, i'm sympathetic to mat.— heinous. well, i'm sympathetic to that. i— heinous. well, i'm sympathetic to that. i tire— heinous. well, i'm sympathetic to that. i the one— well, i'm sympathetic to that. i the one caveat to wrap— to that. i the one caveat to what tit— to that. i the one caveat to what to say— to that. i the one caveat to what i'll say is— to that. i the one caveat to what i'll say is that i don't carry— what i'll say is that i don't reatty trost— what i'll say is that i don't really trust this— what i'll say is that i don't really trust this government or mis— really trust this government or this state— really trust this government or this state to— really trust this government or this state to have— really trust this government or this state to have that sort of power— this state to have that sort of power dot— this state to have that sort of power. but then _ this state to have that sort of power. but then when you extend mat— power. but then when you extend that togic— power. but then when you extend that togic, wiry— power. but then when you extend that logic, why should they have the that logic, why should they have tire power— that logic, why should they have me power to— that logic, why should they have the power to sentence people to life the power to sentence people to tire-prisone— the power to sentence people to life . prison? why— the power to sentence people to life prison? why they life in prison? why should they nave— life in prison? why should they nave-to— life in prison? why should they nave-to pot- life in prison? why should they have to put people in have the power to put people in prison—know,- have the power to put people in prison—know, if- have the power to put people in prison—know, if youi prison at all? you know, if you say— prison at all? you know, if you say yoo— prison at all? you know, if you say yoo ton-t— prison at all? you know, if you say you don't trust the state to dave — say you don't trust the state to dave mat— say you don't trust the state to have that moral— say you don't trust the state to have that moral orbiting role, trien— have that moral orbiting role, men—nost- have that moral orbiting role,- then _trust them? then why would you trust them? ant— then why would you trust them? ant-in— then why would you trust them? and-in wartime,- then why would you trust them? and-in wartime, of- then why would you trust them?. and-in wartime, of course and we do. in wartime, of course we did it before. i said i didn't trust— we did it before. i said i didn't trust the- r: r: c i said i didn't trust the state to decide who— didn't trust the state to decide who iivet — didn't trust the state to decide who lived and— didn't trust the state to decide who lived and who died, not whether— who lived and who died, not whether or— who lived and who died, not whether or not—

who lived and who died, not whether or not people can to whether or not people can go to prison. — whether or not people can go to prison. -to— whether or not people can go to prison. -to yoo- whether or not people can go to prison. -do you trust- whether or not people can go to prison. do you trust them prison. so why do you trust them with — prison. so why do you trust them with-i— prison. so why do you trust them witn-i mint— prison. so why do you trust them with-i think-a- prison. so why do you trust them with-i think-a very- with that? i think it's a very titterent— with that? i think it's a very different proposition be different proposition to be saying— different proposition to be saying tire— different proposition to be saying the state decides based on tire— saying the state decides based on the evidence— saying the state decides based on the evidence this on the evidence that this criminai— on the evidence that this- criminal—therefore criminal is guilty and therefore shooto— criminal is guilty and therefore smote-rest- criminal is guilty and therefore should-rest of- criminal is guilty and therefore should rest of their should spend the rest of their iite — should spend the rest of their life-compared- should spend the rest of their life compared the life in prison compared to the state— life in prison compared to the state-tire— life in prison compared to the state-the same.- life in prison compared to the state the same. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe the same. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't he same. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't justame. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't just put. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't just put yout no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't just put you ino, but we won't just put you in prison,— but we won't just put you in prison, wett— but we won't just put you in prison, we'll actually kill you. i prison, we'll actually kill you. iiost— prison, we'll actually kill you. irost mint— prison, we'll actually kill you. ijust think it's— prison, we'll actually kill you. i just think it's a— prison, we'll actually kill you. i just think it's a bit of an overreach of— i just think it's a bit of an overreach of power for me. it's something— overreach of power for me. it's something i— overreach of power for me. it's something i personally something i would personally teet— something i would personally feel uncomfortable because feel very uncomfortable because it's feel very uncomfortable because it-s— — feel very uncomfortable because it-s— its— feel very uncomfortable because it-s— its aiwaysl it's not the state. it's always a tory. — it's not the state. it's always a jury. you a jury of your a jury. you have a jury of your peers. so it's not entirely the state, i've state, is it? and listen, i've nat— state, is it? and listen, i've not my— state, is it? and listen, i've not my ron— state, is it? and listen, i've had my run ins— state, is it? and listen, i've had my run ins with- 7 and listen, i've had my run ins with the law on ot— had my run ins with the law on issues of free— had my run ins with the law on issues of free speech. not anything— issues of free speech. not anything as— issues of free speech. not anything as hideous as what taiting— anything as hideous as what we're talking about today, decaose— we're talking about today,| because _worth because i think it is worth nigntignting— because i think it is worth highlighting that incident highlighting that the incident that—becausei that you mentioned, because it was-month— was a ten month old baby morteret— was a ten month old baby murdered christmas day in murdered on christmas day in 2020,— murdered on christmas day in 2020, ant— murdered on christmas day in 2020, and the— murdered on christmas day in 2020, and the parents were heard mentioning—onl mentioning selling the pram on may— mentioning selling the pram on eday-iaogning— mentioning selling the pram on ebay laughing the back of ebay and laughing in the back of ataxi— ebay and laughing in the back of atavi. wow— ebay and laughing in the back of a taxi. now for— ebay and laughing in the back of a taxi. now for people like that , i a taxi. now for people like that , i nave— a taxi. now for people like that , i have to— a taxi. now for people like that , i have to say,— a taxi. now for people like that , i have to say, yeah, i think its— , i have to say, yeah, i think its a— , i have to say, yeah, i think its a waste— , i have to say, yeah, i think it's a waste of— , i have to say, yeah, i think it's a waste of taxpayer resources to _ it's a waste of taxpayer resources to keep them in prison. — resources to keep them in prison. i— resources to keep them in prison. i think— resources to keep them in prison. i think they are heartless,— prison. i think they are heartless, horrible. i was about to swear— heartless, horrible. i was about to swear there.— heartless, horrible. i was about to swear there. i— heartless, horrible. i was about to swear there. i won't . but i

to swear there. iwon't. but i mint— to swear there. iwon't. but i think mat— to swear there. iwon't. but i think that people— to swear there. i won't. but i think that people like that oognt— think that people like that oognt to— think that people like that oognt to de— think that people like that ought to be off. is it about ponisnment— ought to be off. is it about punishment or— ought to be off. is it about punishment or revenge? g punishment or revenge? i guess i mat— punishment or revenge? i guess i sense that benjamin is just a bit hungry for blood. no, it's about, like, a bit of revenge. if someone's not remorseful and is not— if someone's not remorseful and is not sorry— if someone's not remorseful and is not sorry tor— if someone's not remorseful and is not sorry for what they've tone — is not sorry for what they've tone .are — is not sorry for what they've done - are willing - is not sorry for what they've done are willing to do it done and are willing to do it again— done and are willing to do it agar. wiry— done and are willing to do it agar. wiry-we- done and are willing to do it again, why we even again, why should we even entertain— again, why should we even entertain opportunity that entertain the opportunity that they— entertain the opportunity that trey-dne— entertain the opportunity that they one benjamin let's they might? one benjamin let's toot— they might? one benjamin let's toot-ootpots— they might? one benjamin let's look-outputs-so. they might? one benjamin let's look-outputs-so ifj look at the outputs here. so if the look at the outputs here. so if tie-is— look at the outputs here. so if tne-is-prison- look at the outputs here. so if the-is-prison or. the outputs is from prison or punishment want less punishment that we want less crime to happen, is there evidence countries where evidence that in countries where there penalty that there is a death penalty that people less likely commit people are less likely to commit the most heinous crimes? there's a lot evidence there's a lot of evidence to soggest— there's a lot of evidence to suggest deterrent, there's a lot of evidence to- suggest- deterrent, the suggest that as a deterrent, the teati— suggest that as a deterrent, the team penaity— suggest that as a deterrent, the death penalty is— suggest that as a deterrent, the death penalty is very effective. doct— death penalty is very effective. docn asa— death penalty is very effective. such as? well— death penalty is very effective. such as? well you _ death penalty is very effective. such as? well you if you such as? well you know, if you toot— such as? well you know, if you look historically,— such as? well you know, if you look historically, the rate of wint— what about present day murder stit— what about present day murder still—countries- what about present day murder still countries like still happens in countries like saoti— still happens in countries like saudi—example,- still happens in countries like saudi example, and saudi arabia, for example, and rape— saudi arabia, for example, and rape stit— saudi arabia, for example, and rape still happens there as weii. — rape still happens there as weii. dot— rape still happens there as well. butlbelieve- rape still happens there as well. p well. but i believe in the state, right? well, a big state anyway. — state, right? well, a big state anyway. |oon-t— state, right? well, a big state anyway. don't believe this is anyway. i don't believe this is quite interesting. do you think that, quite interesting. do you think mat—yoo— quite interesting. do you think| mat—yoo-nave that, you know, you could have an eye— that, you know, you could have an eye tor— that, you know, you could have an eye tor an— that, you know, you could have an eye for an eye— that, you know, you could have an eye for an eye if— that, you know, you could have an eye for an eye if it wasn't tire— an eye for an eye if it wasn't tire state— an eye for an eye if it wasn't the state killing— an eye for an eye if it wasn't the state killing someone, the teati— the state killing someone, the team penaity— the state killing someone, the death penalty. you know, death penalty. but, you know, the-somebody- death penalty. but, you know, the somebody else death penalty. but, you know,- the-somebody else does the family of somebody else does the family of somebody else does the—murdered,- the child that was murdered, snooit— the child that was murdered, should-allowed- the child that was murdered, should allowed to enact should you be allowed to enact yoor— should you be allowed to enact yon-revenge—

should you be allowed to enact yon-revenge? - should you be allowed to enact your revenge ? f " your own revenge? back in anglo—saxon times ? that's how anglo—saxon times? that's how the law worked, right? if somebody killed your family member, you one of theirs. member, you kill one of theirs. look, i don't think that's practical modern day. practical in in the modern day. i indicating that either. but i think fundamentally, this is a problem with institutions and problem with uk institutions and ourjustice system. we don't put people away. we don't put them away enough. we see away for long enough. we see people child predators people that are child predators actually released actually end up being released after few so actually, after a few years. so actually, i the problem isn't that i think the problem isn't that we more harsh with we need to be more harsh with our actually, we our system. actually, what we need actually implement need to do is actually implement the legislation we already have. ben, that's an interesting goestion— ben, that's an interesting. question._reem question. actually that reem raises-i— question. actually that reem raises-i think,- question. actually that reem raises i think, because raises there, i think, because toes— raises there, i think, because toes-in— raises there, i think, because toes-in tire— raises there, i think, because does-in the case- raises there, i think, because does in the case of findlay does this in the case of findlay , wno— does this in the case of findlay , wioo got— does this in the case of findlay , who we've got a— does this in the case of findlay , who we've got a photograph of on screen now for— , who we've got a photograph of on screen now for our radio iisteners. — on screen now for our radio listeners. absolutely beautiful. benv _ listeners. absolutely beautiful. den an— listeners. absolutely beautiful. den, an ant— listeners. absolutely beautiful. den, an ant i— listeners. absolutely beautiful. ben, an and i is— listeners. absolutely beautiful. ben, an and i is there an argoment— ben, an and i is there an argument, ben, that actually what— argument, ben, that actually what it— argument, ben, that actually what it would _ argument, ben, that actually what it would do is take the scrotiny— what it would do is take the scrotiny ott— what it would do is take the scrutiny off of— what it would do is take the scrutiny off of these sick, twistet — scrutiny off of these sick, twistet .— scrutiny off of these sick, twisted . and— scrutiny off of these sick, twisted . and again i keep twisted. and again i keep wanting— twisted. and again i keep wanting to— twisted. and again i keep wanting to use- twisted. and again i keep wanting to use a particular wag,— wanting to use a particular wort, dot— wanting to use a particular word, but these— wanting to use a particular word, but these people from the sociai— word, but these people from the social services— word, but these people from the social services actually and perhaps— social services actually and perhaps potential failures of

the perhaps potential failures of tire state— perhaps potential failures of tire state in— perhaps potential failures of the state in actually allowing mis— the state in actually allowing this critt— the state in actually allowing this child to _ the state in actually allowing this child to be— the state in actually allowing this child to be placed back witn— this child to be placed back with tireso— this child to be placed back with these people . yeah, with these people. yeah, potentially. _ with these people. yeah, potentially. iii" potentially. but on the other hand, if we did have the death penalty, if we had sort of the extreme in law, it would also give us more scrutiny in our justice because you'd justice system because you'd have degree of evidence have a higher degree of evidence required. you'd have more required. you'd have much more in juries considering in terms of juries considering it. had that. so i think it. if you had that. so i think it. if you had that. so i think it balance out, you know, it would balance out, you know, on is that of that in on is that proof of that in countries where a death countries where there's a death penalty mean, look, penalty currently? i mean, look, there's of countries there's the kind of countries which the death which still have the death penalty. us well, they don't. the us is example, but they, the us is one example, but they, they course have very long they of course have a very long death so the of death row. so the amount of people actually and people who actually get and actually taxpayer actually costs more taxpayer money somebody death money to put somebody on death row us it does to row in the us than it does to just send. well, yes, but on triat— just send. well, yes, but on that age,— just send. well, yes, but on that note, though,- just send. well, yes, but on that note, though, it- : well, yes, but on that note, though, it does cost a neit— that note, though, it does cost a new ot— that note, though, it does cost a new ot a— that note, though, it does cost a hell of a lot— that note, though, it does cost a hell of a lot of— that note, though, it does cost a hell of a lot of money, a dang,— a hell of a lot of money, a bang, someone— a hell of a lot of money, a bang, someone up for life as wet.— bang, someone up for life as weii. dot— bang, someone up for life as well. but we're— bang, someone up for life as well. but we're going to have to ieave— well. but we're going to have to ieave-i— well. but we're going to have to leave-i heard.- well. but we're going to have to leave-i heard. yeah.- leave it there. i heard. yeah. ititicoioos— leave it there. i heard. yeah. ridiculous sums. _ leave it there. i heard. yeah. ridiculous sums. still ahead, tnoogn— ridiculous sums. still ahead, tnoogn, imity-s— ridiculous sums. still ahead, though, emily's going to update us though, emily's going to update os—tne- though, emily's going to update os—tne rost- us on the antics of the just spoiit— us on the antics of the just spoiit drats. — us on the antics of the just spoilt brats. sorry the just stop— spoilt brats. sorry the just stop-crew— spoilt brats. sorry the just stop .crew . her- spoilt brats. sorry the just stop crew her carver stop oil crew in her carver paiaven— stop oil crew in her carver palaver,-next,- stop oil crew in her carver palaver, next, we're going

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the report says. you can read it on tire— the report says. you can read it on the secretary— the report says. you can read it on the secretary of— ”rzijozzrt you can read it on the secretary of state for ttocation — on the secretary of state for education website. cite/45; education website. okay, well, it's education website. okay, well, its time. — education website. okay, well, it-stime. att— education website. okay, well, it'stime. all right. - education website. cite/45; c c all right. in; ”it; it's time. all right. we're going to go to reem now for our next debate. reem is going to be discussing whether or not sir keir starmer has what it takes to overhaul all our health system. so buckle up, everyone. it's time we lived the dream . i it's time we lived the dream. i love that introduction. so c c c rzzr: r: i love that introduction. so we're tott— love that introduction. so we're toit mat— love that introduction. so we're toit tnat oor— love that introduction. so we're told that our national health service— told that our national health service is— told that our national health service is the— told that our national health service is the envy of the vote. — service is the envy of the world. we're— service is the envy of the world. we're told that when tott— world. we're told that when we're left waiting for gp appointments- we're left waiting for gp appointments or left on waiting iists— appointments or left on waiting iists tor— appointments or left on waiting lists for life— appointments or left on waiting lists for life saving treatment , mat— lists for life saving treatment , tnat att— lists for life saving treatment , tnat ati we — lists for life saving treatment , that all we need to do is trow— , that all we need to do is tmow more— , that all we need to do is throw more of— , that all we need to do is throw more of our hard earned taxpayer— throw more of our hard earned taxpayer castr— throw more of our hard earned taxpayer cash at— throw more of our hard earned taxpayer cash at the broken system — taxpayer cash at the broken system .— taxpayer cash at the broken system . so — taxpayer cash at the broken system . so this— taxpayer cash at the broken system . so this week labour system. so this week labour teater— system. so this week labour teater sir— system. so this week labour leader sir keir— system. so this week labour leader sir keir starmer argued mat— leader sir keir starmer argued that effectively— leader sir keir starmer argued that effectively we need to retorm — that effectively we need to reform our nhs_ that effectively we need to reform our nhs and is super raticai— reform our nhs and is super radical changes— reform our nhs and is super radical changes .— reform our nhs and is super radical changes . let's take radical changes. let's take a toot— radical changes. let's take a toot wrat— radical changes. let's take a look what do _ radical changes. let's take a look what do we— radical changes. let's take a look what do we value? both r:r:::r look what do we value? what do we conserves— look what do we value? what do we conserve? love, cherish and protect ? the answer a public and protect? the answer a public and universal health system free at the point of use paid for by

general taxation. the nhs is . general taxation. the nhs is. we've heard it all before. our nhs supposedly that- we've heard it all before. our nhs supposedly that we- c our nhs supposedly that we clap every— nhs supposedly that we clap every inorstay— nhs supposedly that we clap every thursday for during the pandemic— every thursday for during the pantemic is— every thursday for during the pandemic is absolutely broken. we pandemic is absolutely broken. we spent— pandemic is absolutely broken. we spend currently just below tzoo— we spend currently just below £200 billion _ we spend currently just below £200 billion on— we spend currently just below £200 billion on our national team— £200 billion on our national health service— £200 billion on our national health service and currently we nave— health service and currently we have a— health service and currently we have a recort— health service and currently we have a record high— health service and currently we have a record high level of 7.3 miiiion— have a record high level of 7.3 mittion peopte— have a record high level of 7.3 million people on— have a record high level of 7.3 million people on waiting lists. i million people on waiting lists. i ton-t— million people on waiting lists. i ton-t mint— million people on waiting lists. i don't think sir— million people on waiting lists. i don't think sir keir starmer nas— i don't think sir keir starmer nas tire— i don't think sir keir starmer nas tire gots— i don't think sir keir starmer has the guts to— i don't think sir keir starmer has the guts to do what it reaiiy— has the guts to do what it really takes— has the guts to do what it really takes to— has the guts to do what it really takes to fix britain's treatm— really takes to fix britain's health care— really takes to fix britain's health care problems and that is ettectiveiy— health care problems and that is ettectiveiy to — health care problems and that is effectively to get— health care problems and that is effectively to get rid of the system — effectively to get rid of the system .— effectively to get rid of the system . what— effectively to get rid of the system . what we need instead is system. what we need instead is a sociai— system. what we need instead is a social social— system. what we need instead is a social social insurance health system— a social social insurance health system .— a social social insurance health care system . when we look across care system. when we look across the care system. when we look across tire wont,— care system. when we look across the world, look— care system. when we look across the world, look at— care system. when we look across the world, look at australia to cermany, — the world, look at australia to germany, sweden, denmark , the germany, sweden, denmark, the wetneriants— germany, sweden, denmark, the netherlands, when we look at singapore— netherlands, when we look at singapore tor— netherlands, when we look at singapore for all— netherlands, when we look at singapore for all of these contris— singapore for all of these countries that— singapore for all of these countries that have fantastic podiic— countries that have fantastic podiic ant— countries that have fantastic public and private partnership strips— public and private partnership strips, were— public and private partnership ships, where effectively you as an individual— ships, where effectively you as an individual get— ships, where effectively you as an individual get to choose where— an individual get to choose where yoo— an individual get to choose where yoo get— an individual get to choose where you get your health care trom— where you get your health care pom, not— where you get your health care from, not bureaucrats in the state.— from, not bureaucrats in the state. wow— from, not bureaucrats in the state. wow i— from, not bureaucrats in the state. now i think that effectively _ state. now i think that effectively when we're looking at sir— effectively when we're looking at sir tetr— effectively when we're looking at sir keir starmer's actual

answers for the— at sir keir starmer's actual answers for the nhs, what he wants— answers for the nhs, what he wants to— answers for the nhs, what he wants to to— answers for the nhs, what he wants to do is— answers for the nhs, what he wants to do is spend more of our tart— wants to do is spend more of our tart cameo— wants to do is spend more of our hard earned-money. hard earned tax payer money throwing— hard earned tax payer money throwing it— hard earned tax payer money throwing it into— hard earned tax payer money throwing it into a bureaucratic tract— throwing it into a bureaucratic diact note.— throwing it into a bureaucratic black hole. so— throwing it into a bureaucratic black hole. so we— throwing it into a bureaucratic black hole. so we do you think mat— black hole. so we do you think that sir— black hole. so we do you think that on ten— black hole. so we do you think that sir keir starmer has what it totes— that sir keir starmer has what it takes to— that sir keir starmer has what it takes to fix— that sir keir starmer has what it takes to fix health care prodiems— it takes to fix health care problems in— it takes to fix health care problems in the uk? well, it toesn-t— problems in the uk? well, it doesn't really— problems in the uk? well, it doesn't really matter what i mint. — doesn't really matter what i mint. it— doesn't really matter what i think. it matters- doesn't really matter what i think. c think. it matters what the electorate thinks. and keir starmer has been 1020 points aheadin starmer has been 1020 points ahead in the polls now since liz truss cluster shambles budget, which you supported at the time, i believe. reem so it doesn't really matter what i think about it. it matters what the public think about it and clearly the pubuc think about it and clearly the public think keir starmer has got the answers that rishi got the answers and that rishi doesn't. yeah, we're here to give— doesn't. yeah, we're here to give oor— doesn't. yeah, we're here to give own— : c yeah, we're here to give our own opinion. abby i ton-t— give our own opinion. abby i ton-t mint— give our own opinion. abby i don't think he— give our own opinion. abby i don't think he has. 4:3. cc» c don't think he has. you don't mint— don't think he has. you don't mint-i— don't think he has. you don't think ithink. i don't think he has. you don't think-i think. i don't think he has? i think. i don't think he has? i think. i don't think he has? i think. i don't think he has. but— think he has? i think. i don't think he has. but wes- 7 i don't think he has. but wes streeting, the think he has. but wes streeting, tire snatow— think he has. but wes streeting, the shadow health secretary, has deen— the shadow health secretary, has deen att— the shadow health secretary, has deen oti-tire— the shadow health secretary, has been all-the news- the shadow health secretary, has been all the news recently. been all over the news recently. oes— been all over the news recently. oe-s-toing— been all over the news recently. he's-doing media- been all over the news recently. he's doing media interview he's been doing media interview otter—says- after media interview. he says ire-s— after media interview. he says ne-s going— after media interview. he says ne-s going-it.- after media interview. he says he's going-it. but. he's going to reform it. but again— he's going to reform it. but again-tire— he's going to reform it. but again,-the same- he's going to reform it. but again, the same kind of again, it's the same kind of phrases— again, it's the same kind of phrases-are,— again, it's the same kind of phrases are, know, again, it's the same kind of- phrases-are,-know, been phrases that are, you know, been spoken— phrases that are, you know, been spoken-more— phrases that are, you know, been spoken more patient spoken about more patient connot— spoken about more patient control, more— spoken about more patient control, more whatever it is. i cant— control, more whatever it is. i can-t—topl control, more whatever it is. ii cant—top ot control, more whatever it is. i- can-t—top or my can't remember off the top of my neat—

can't remember off the top of my neat trey-re— can't remember off the top of my head they're-about- head they're talking about big retonn— head they're talking about big reform-that- head they're talking about big reform.-that is- head they're talking about big reform. that is actually reform. but but that is actually totter— reform. but but that is actually potter-what— reform. but but that is actually better-what the - better than what the conservatives about. conservatives are talking about. me— conservatives are talking about. tire—wove— conservatives are talking about. the _we've .from the big reform we've seen from the conservative _isj the conservative government is adoot— the conservative government is about-pharmacists- the conservative government is about pharmacists bit about giving pharmacists a bit power to— about giving pharmacists a bit more power to prescribe things tite— more power to prescribe things like antibiotics.— more power to prescribe things like antibiotics. it's not carry— like antibiotics. it's not reatty tire— like antibiotics. it's not really the groundbreaking stuff we nect— really the groundbreaking stuff we neet, is— really the groundbreaking stuff we neet, is it— really the groundbreaking stuff we need, is it really? do you that? — we need, is it really? do you that? me— we need, is it really? do you think? the problem- we need, is it really? do you think? "iii”iii; we need, is it really? do you think? the problem here is that we the nhs as this sort of we see the nhs as this sort of sacred cow that we cannot possibly life of possibly touch for the life of us? think the fundamentally us? i think the fundamentally what need is a shift in what we need is a shift in pubuc what we need is a shift in public opinion now. alby's absolutely mean, the absolutely right. i mean, the public, generally are public, generally speaking, are very of the we very supportive of the nhs. we saw everybody with saw everybody clapping with their every their pots and pans every thursday. i did, i, i never did it. i thursday. i did, i, i never did it . i never thursday. i did, i, i never did it. i never did it. but thursday. i did, i, i never did it . i never did it. but gosh, it. i never did it. but gosh, miiiions— it. i never did it. but gosh, millions of— c i never did it. but gosh, millions of people across the coontry— millions of people across the coontry tit. — millions of people across the country did. and— millions of people across the country did. ' r: c. country did. and unfortunately, i think that when we're looking at the way that the nhs is being reformed the future, what we reformed in the future, what we needis reformed in the future, what we need is fundamental reform and sir starmer not have sir keir starmer does not have it. a sir keir starmer does not have it . a lot of the countries that it. a lot of the countries that you— it. a lot of the countries that yoo rost— c a lot of the countries that you just mentioned, especially some of the european ones, are actoaiiy—tne- some of the european ones, arei actually _the same actually facing exactly the same prodiems— actually facing exactly the same prthems witn— actually facing exactly the same problems with their health service— problems with their health service that— problems with their health service that national health service that the national health service— service that the national health service-so— service that the national health service-so is- service that the national health service-so is this- service is facing. so is this sociai— service is facing. so is this social insurance- service is facing. so is this social insurance system really the

social insurance system really tne gotten— social insurance system really tne gotten egg— social insurance system really the golden egg that you describe it as— the golden egg that you describe it or— the golden egg that you describe it or is— the golden egg that you describe it or is it— the golden egg that you describe it as, or is it just— the golden egg that you describe it as, or is it just another system — it as, or is it just another system which— it as, or is it just another system which doesn't work very wett— system which doesn't work very well either? _ system which doesn't work very well either? you're— system which doesn't work very well either? v/rzzr. ”it; grit; well either? you're absolutely right. every country in the world multitude of world will face multitude of health problems. health care problems. but actually difference is under actually the difference is under actually the difference is under a insurance you as a social insurance model, you as an individual can choose where you your health care from. you get your health care from. so like one doctor, so if you don't like one doctor, you choose to go to another. you can choose to go to another. the nhs is effectively a state monopoly. you have choice. monopoly. you have no choice. the government choosing the government is choosing your health you. think health care for you. and i think that's fundamentally immoral. and that why so many and that explains why so many doctors— and that explains why so many doctors .fleeing_ and that explains why so many doctors .fleeing to- doctors are fleeing to australia. _ doctors are fleeing to australia-in- doctors are fleeing to australia. in our taxpayer australia. us in our taxpayer castr— australia. us in our taxpayer cash-educated- australia. us in our taxpayer cash-educated ,- australia. us in our taxpayer cash educated , the cheeky cash to get educated, the cheeky deggars— cash to get educated, the cheeky deggars-sotten— cash to get educated, the cheeky beggars sudden off to beggars and sudden off to aostraiia— beggars and sudden off to aostraiia .— beggars and sudden off to australia . yeah, i think we australia. yeah, i think we snooit— australia. yeah, i think we should change— australia. yeah, i think we should change the rules on that actoaiiy— should change the rules on that actoaiiy. dot— should change the rules on that actually. but i'm— should change the rules on that actually. but i'm wondering is it is— actually. but i'm wondering is it is it— actually. but i'm wondering is it is it tire— actually. but i'm wondering is it is it the case— actually. but i'm wondering is it is it the case that actually yoo-ii— it is it the case that actually yoo-ii no— it is it the case that actually you'll no doubt— it is it the case that actually you'll no doubt will be inundated— you'll no doubt will be inundated with tweets saying mat— inundated with tweets saying that yoo — inundated with tweets saying that yoo wort— inundated with tweets saying that you work for the institute of that you work for the institute ot economic— that you work for the institute of economic affairs? there'll be goestions— of economic affairs? there'll be goestions ot— of economic affairs? there'll be questions of who— of economic affairs? there'll be questions of who funds you and a whore— questions of who funds you and a whore nost— questions of who funds you and a whore nost ot— questions of who funds you and a whole host of accusations, i taresay— whole host of accusations, i taresay .— whole host of accusations, i taresay , dot— whole host of accusations, i daresay , but i— whole host of accusations, i daresay , but i don't reckon that daresay, but i don't reckon that the daresay, but i don't reckon that tie it— daresay, but i don't reckon that

tie it tire— daresay, but i don't reckon that the if the labour— daresay, but i don't reckon that the if the labour party cannot retorm — the if the labour party cannot retorm tire — the if the labour party cannot reform the nhs,— the if the labour party cannot reform the nhs, nobody can decaose— reform the nhs, nobody can decaose tire— reform the nhs, nobody can because the tories certainly can-t— because the tories certainly cent to— because the tories certainly cent to it— because the tories certainly can't do it because they would receive exactly— can't do it because they would receive exactly the same accusations— receive exactly the same accusations that you will have receivet— accusations that you will have received online._ accusations that you will have received online. no doubt. \r:::r received online. no doubt. no, yore— received online. no doubt. no, you're absolutely— received online. no doubt. no, you're absolutely right. i think when it comes to the moral panic behind the private ization of the nhs, that is a huge, huge issue.i the nhs, that is a huge, huge issue. i think we've got we've got remember is that this got to remember is that this accusation around accusation has been going around since was established. since the nhs was established. i think that my colleague kristian niemietz actually looked through the it the entire paperwork when it comes reports on the comes to news reports on the nhs. have panicking nhs. people have been panicking about being privatised about the nhs being privatised since the beginning of when it was established after you were born, since before, certainly since before were all born. since before we were all born. emily go. there emily well, there we go. there we go. that is all-got. we go. that is all we've got time— we go. that is all we've got time tor— we go. that is all we've got time tor on— we go. that is all we've got time for on that— we go. that is all we've got time for on that one. but good stom— time for on that one. but good stott .— time for on that one. but good stott . coot— time for on that one. but good stuff . good stuff.— time for on that one. but good stuff . good stuff. don't. stuff. good stuff. i don't. i ton-t— stuff. good stuff. i don't. i ton-t-teir— stuff. good stuff. i don't. i don't keir starmer to don't trust keir starmer to change— don't trust keir starmer to change anything. anyway. still meat,— change anything. anyway. still aneat, we— change anything. anyway. still ahead, we are— change anything. anyway. still ahead, we are saving best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e are saving best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e ire saving best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e i do iaving best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e i do sayig best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e i do say so best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e i do say so myself. for last. if i do say so myself. my— for last. if i do say so myself. iiy carver— for last. if i do say so myself. my carver palava._ for last. if i do say so myself. my carver palava. i say it's time. — my carver palava. i say it's time. rost— my carver palava. i say it's time. just stop.— my carver palava. i say it's time. just stop. oil packed it in ant— time. just stop. oil packed it in and checked— time. just stop. oil packed it in and checked privilege. in and checked their privilege. voore— in and checked their privilege. you're-saturday- in and checked their privilege. you're saturday five live on you're the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five as always. cheers. very much for all your emails much for all of your emails about tonight's topics. i wish i could read them all out, judith says. believe we don't says. i can't believe we don't already have the death penalty for these horrendous crimes which seem to be on the increase. but then bridget says, i'm old enough to remember capital punishment and my dad was a met senior officer. if you get it wrong , you can't bring get it wrong, you can't bring that person back from the dead. i do believe that life should be life as it used to be. well, that's it then. i think that's a pretty interesting comparison of. yeah well, there we are. ben, you've had your look now , ben, you've had your look now, up next, though, it's going to be emily, and emily is going to tell us what the just stop oil crew have been getting up to now. time for the carver palava . iquite now. time for the carver palava . i quite like that. just stop

pit— . i quite like that. just stop pit crew— . i quite like that. just stop oil crew. well— i quite like that. just stop oil crew. well they've been mating— oil crew. well they've been making rather— oil crew. well they've been making rather a— oil crew. well they've been making rather a spectacle of tnemseives— making rather a spectacle of themselves in— making rather a spectacle of themselves in recent days, raven-t— themselves in recent days, invent-cw- themselves in recent days, haven't or least haven't they? or at least trey-re— haven't they? or at least they're -their- haven't they? or at least they're their to. best they're trying their to. best i sospect— they're trying their to. best i sospect mat— they're trying their to. best i suspect that by— they're trying their to. best i suspect that by now, most of us mem— suspect that by now, most of us tnem tor— suspect that by now, most of us see them for what— suspect that by now, most of us see them for what they are a sett— see them for what they are a self righteous— see them for what they are a self righteous bunch of cultists wno— self righteous bunch of cultists woo—to- self righteous bunch of cultists woo—to toi who have nothing better to do titan— who have nothing better to do tnan-aroont— who have nothing better to do. than-around-orange than run around throwing orange powter—it- than run around throwing orange powter—it tornsi powder everywhere. but it turns out powder everywhere. but it turns oot mat— powder everywhere. but it turns oot tnat yoo — powder everywhere. but it turns out that you can— powder everywhere. but it turns out that you can only take the mick— out that you can only take the mictltne— out that you can only take the mick-the british— out that you can only take the mick the british public for mick of the british public for sowe— start- mick of the british public for so _we start to l mick of the british public fori so _we start to get so long before we start to get oor-dact.— so long before we start to get our-back. let's- so long before we start to get our back. let's have a look our own back. let's have a look at—antics— our own back. let's have a look at_antics-i'll. at their latest antics and i'll let at their latest antics and i'll tot-teete— at their latest antics and i'll let-decide who- at their latest antics and i'll let decide who the goodies let you decide who the goodies ant— let you decide who the goodies ant tire— let you decide who the goodies and the baddies_ let you decide who the goodies and the baddies are. here so you rost— and the baddies are. here so you post-drats. — and the baddies are. here so you post-drats. oops- just spoilt brats. oops, just stop. — just spoilt brats. oops, just stop. .eco— just spoilt brats. oops, just stop. .eco-at- just spoilt brats. oops, justj stop. -eco-at the stop. oils, eco stunt at the cneisea— stop. oils, eco stunt at the chelsea flower— stop. oils, eco stunt at the chelsea flower show , we are part chelsea flower show, we are part of chelsea flower show, we are part or rost— chelsea flower show, we are part or post stop— chelsea flower show, we are part or post stop ott— chelsea flower show, we are part or post stop at — chelsea flower show, we are part of just stop oil . boot; ”it; g of just stop oil. we're asking the government to stop licencing fossil fuels, which are a death sentence to us all. the secretary general of united nafions secretary general of united nations has says the true criminal radicals are the governments that are still licencing fossil fuels . thus, licencing fossil fuels. thus, our government , our government our government, our government is causing the death of humanity . just stop oil. join us on a slow marching . that's enough of

slow marching. that's enough of mat— slow marching. that's enough of that .— slow marching. that's enough of that . i— slow marching. that's enough of that. i ton-t— slow marching. that's enough of that . i don't know— “311" g that's enough of that . i don't know about you, that. i don't know about you, dot— that. i don't know about you, dot i— that. i don't know about you, dot i goite— that. i don't know about you, but i quite like— that. i don't know about you, but i quite like the cut of her j'ib- — but i quite like the cut of her j'ib- actoatiy,— but i quite like the cut of her jib. actually, darren just momdiet— jib. actually, darren just mumbled that we should get her a metat— mumbled that we should get her a metai. anyway— mumbled that we should get her a medal. anyway moving on, scaffolder_ medal. anyway moving on, scaffolder lewis greaves decided to tate— scaffolder lewis greaves decided to take matters— scaffolder lewis greaves decided to take matters into own to take matters into his own nants. — to take matters into his own nants. _wnat- to take matters into his own hands. _whatitoldi to take matters into his own. hands.-what.told gb hands. here's what he told gb wews. — hands. here's what he told gb wews. i— hands. here's what he told gb wews. i got— hands. here's what he told gb news. i got off— hands. here's what he told gb news. i got off the- hands. here's what he told gb news. gist " news. i got off the train station. i was in the car and att— station. i was in the car and ati mat— station. i was in the car and at that trying— station. i was in the car and all that trying to— iii" i was in the car and all that trying to get over the dritge— all that trying to get over the dritge. ant— all that trying to get over the bridge. and then, of course, rost— bridge. and then, of course, post-tiere- bridge. and then, of course,- post-tiere-me just standing there making me evenor-t— just standing there making me even _for work.- just standing there making me even for work. um and even more late for work. um and the even more late for work. um and tire pica— even more late for work. um and the plea, there's— even more late for work. um and the plea, there's two police otticers— the plea, there's two police officers standing there officers just standing there tooting— officers just standing there looking-like- officers just standing there looking like they're officers just standing there- looking-like they're not looking at them like they're not toing— looking at them like they're not toing metr— looking at them like they're not doing their jobs.— looking at them like they're not doing their jobs. so if they cant— doing their jobs. so if they cent to— doing their jobs. so if they cent to n,— doing their jobs. so if they can't do it, then the members of the can't do it, then the members of tire podiic— can't do it, then the members of the public start— can't do it, then the members of the public start doing it for them —yool the public start doing it fori tnem —yoo go. the public start doing it for- them _you go. taking them. well, there you go. taking it into his own hands. all i've learned that about just learned from that about just stop oil that they, unlike stop oil is that they, unlike the they can afford the scaffolder, they can afford to day's work. perhaps to miss a day's work. perhaps they check their they should check their privilege. then have the privilege. and then we have the dramatic today's rugby dramatic finale. today's rugby premiership final. the piece de resistance storming the barricades the pitch, barricades onto the pitch, streaming orange, glowing powder, put to an powder, all to be put to an abrupt halt by 17 stone. england player tom curry, who promptly dragged the pitch , dragged them off the pitch, kicking and screaming. he rather

showed police how deal showed the police how to deal with reckon. but with these people. i reckon. but you what? i'm rather you know what? i'm rather pleased live in pleased that we still live in a country there are people country where there are people with a bit basic common with a bit of basic common sense. tell me, who do you reckon goodies reckon the goodies and the baddies are here? the self—righteous, doom mongering, time just stop oilers time wasting. just stop oilers 0r time wasting. just stop oilers or ordinary women or the ordinary men and women trying peace trying to earn a living in peace . us benjamin now , when people . us benjamin now, when people talk about just stop oil and the other animal rising and things, they say direct action. this is a great what would you say? it's something we've been doing for years. it's british people showing what they think about things. we should celebrate it. benjamin's going to them to benjamin's going to put them to teati— benjamin's going to put them to team . — benjamin's going to put them to team . i— benjamin's going to put them to death . i wouldn't— benjamin's going to put them to death . i wouldn't go- benjamin's going to put them to death . : " c gist death. i wouldn't go that far. i'll let i'll let the scaffolders and rugby players do it for me. no, i think it's great— it for me. no, i think it's great to— it for me. no, i think it's great to see— it for me. no, i think it's great to see them- c no, i think it's great to see them getting tactiet— great to see them getting tackled and,— great to see them getting tackled and, you know, sprayed witn— tackled and, you know, sprayed with water— tackled and, you know, sprayed with water in— tackled and, you know, sprayed with water in cans. it's about time— with water in cans. it's about time peopte— with water in cans. it's about time people rise— with water in cans. it's about time people rise up against tireso— time people rise up against these losers— time people rise up against these losers because they're not sottragettes. — these losers because they're not sottragettes. -a- these losers because they're not suffragettes. a bunch of suffragettes. they're a bunch of attention— suffragettes. they're a bunch of attention seeking,— suffragettes. they're a bunch of attention seeking, privileged , attention seeking, privileged, upper— attention seeking, privileged, oppermittie— attention seeking, privileged, upper middle class losers. i mint— upper middle class losers. i think its— upper middle class losers. i think it's about— upper middle class losers. i think it's about time that we teait— think it's about time that we teait witn— think it's about time that we dealt with them. v/rzzr. c; dealt with them. you know, emily debate whilst we whilst we don't

condone violence , obviously for condone violence, obviously for a second, i do think there is something to be said here about the fact that apparently one of the fact that apparently one of the blokes that ran onto the rugby pitch was actually a gp. now if you ask me a gp that wants to bring an end to fossil fuels that wants the british economy to basically grind to a halt because obviously we can't have intermittent renewables power , the british economy, power, the british economy, that's a breach of the hippocratic oath. this is why it's such a thing you're talking about why it's such a cold. you think that we could live on wind and solar. what planet are you living on? get from what living on? we get from what planet we from just stop planet did we get from just stop oil a doctor that's oil to a doctor that's protesting against scampton just stop are you listening ? is stop oils. are you listening? is not-opport— stop oils. are you listening? is not-uphold the- not able to uphold the hippocratic— not able to uphold the hippocratic oath and saying that we cant— hippocratic oath and saying that we can't we can't— hippocratic oath and saying that we can't we can't live from from ciean— we can't we can't live from from ciean energy— we can't we can't live from from clean energy sources . listen, clean energy sources. listen, osten— clean energy sources. listen, listen, there _ clean energy sources. listen, listen, there is— clean energy sources. listen, listen, there is a— clean energy sources. listen, listen, there is a logic to what snaron— listen, there is a logic to what snaron sait— listen, there is a logic to what sharon said . _ listen, there is a logic to what sharon said . " c17iii”ig; sharon said. clean energy sources , just nuclear. hang on. sources, just nuclear. hang on. if we did renewables, oil as

they ask we how you would power someone's gas boiler. i'll be with nuclear energy.- someone's gas boiler. i'll be with nuclear energy. i- gab i'll be with nuclear energy. i think doris— with nuclear energy. i think doris in— with nuclear energy. i think doris in manchin you're going to keep— doris in manchin you're going to keep oorsevesi— doris in manchin you're going to keep ourselves we _ doris in manchin you're going to keep ourselves we transition. we keep ourselves we transition. we transition— keep ourselves we transition. we transition from _ keep ourselves we transition. we transition from dirty- keep ourselves we transition. we transition from dirty energy sources is to clean energy sources. rubbish while completing by 2050, net zero by 2050. it's something which this conservative government supports. yes and i support them in mat— supports. yes and i support them in that mission.— supports. yes and i support them in that mission. and— v423; and i support them in that mission. and people are going— in that mission. and people are going to— in that mission. and people are going to tie.— in that mission. and people are going to tie. dot— in that mission. and people are going to die. but stay on sodr-ect. — going to die. but stay on subject. this- going to die. but stay on subject. " it; ”it; subject. this this entire conversation is based on the idea that we need to increase the supply of energy. right. so let richard speak to anybody, whoever across the whoever they are across the country, needs to be able to afford bills, afford their energy bills, obviously. problem the obviously. now, the problem the reason bills are so reason why energy bills are so high because we've been able reason why energy bills are so hilrestrict cause we've been able reason why energy bills are so hilrestrict the ;e we've been able reason why energy bills are so hilrestrict the energy; been able reason why energy bills are so hilrestrict the energy supplyable to restrict the energy supply usage. obviously, with russia, ukraine, reduced ukraine, that's reduced the supply energy supply of the cheapest energy source the cheapest . well, source room, the cheapest. well, i think we should i actually think we should go nuclear. is nuclear. now. the problem is a lot these just are poor lot of these just are poor protesters are against nuclear energy. wind is energy. they're onshore wind is the they are. the cheapest energy they are. they renewable they are against renewable energies will they are against renewable energiesus will they are against renewable energiesus in will they are against renewable energiesus in the will they are against renewable energiesus in the future,ll support us in the future, support us in the future, support energy supply. so support our energy supply. so i think fundamentally, darren is

right. i we're looking at right. i mean, we're looking at a of these protests as they a lot of these protests as they don't energy supply don't support energy supply increase don't support energy supply increaenergy, energy bills make energy, energy bills cheaper for those that are most vulnerable. there's lots of complexities— vulnerable. there's lots of complexities-you i vulnerable. there's lots of. complexities-you said vulnerable. there's lots of. comjwelities-you said vulnerable. there's lots of. comjwe can't-you said there's lots of comjwe can't get you said there's lots of comjwe can't get into,ou said there's lots of comjwe can't get into, butraid that we can't get into, but onsorne— that we can't get into, but onshore wind— that we can't get into, but onshore wind wouldn't be able to dave— onshore wind wouldn't be able to dave tire— onshore wind wouldn't be able to have the capacity— onshore wind wouldn't be able to have the capacity that other torns— have the capacity that other tormslenergy— have the capacity that other forms energy have, whether forms of energy have, whether mat-s— forms of energy have, whether mats-.— forms of energy have, whether mat-s- gt,— forms of energy have, whether that's-, oil, gas.- forms of energy have, whether that's , oil, gas. et that's coal, oil, gas. et ceerat— that's coal, oil, gas. et ceerat ti— that's coal, oil, gas. et cetera. et cetera . so to say cetera. et cetera. so to say onsorne— cetera. et cetera. so to say onshore wind— cetera. et cetera. so to say onshore wind is— cetera. et cetera. so to say onshore wind is the cheapest . it onshore wind is the cheapest. it is-cneapest. — onshore wind is the cheapest. it is cheapest. disingenuous. is the cheapest. disingenuous. is is the cheapest. disingenuous. is-wrong— is the cheapest. disingenuous. is-wrong d— is the cheapest. disingenuous. is-wrong a it— is the cheapest. disingenuous. is-wrong ? it is- is the cheapest. disingenuous. is wrong ? it is wrong. it is that wrong? it is wrong. it is wrong— is that wrong? it is wrong. it is wrong because _ is that wrong? it is wrong. it is wrong because it would not do. —isn-t- is wrong because it would not do. —isn-ttnel be. onshore wind isn't the cheapest you'd have to cheapest energy you'd have to you'd have storage, you'd have to have storage, which don't have, don't have which we don't have, don't have capacity amount capacity for the amount of storage. i i'm storage. i just i just i'm afraid we're at the end. but i was just afraid we're at the end. but i rost getting— afraid we're at the end. but i was just getting on- afraid we're at the end. but i was just getting on a- t: ti“t: but i was just getting on a roll. wett— was just getting on a roll. next week.— was just getting on a roll. next week. we'll- was just getting on a roll. next week. we'll do - was just getting on a roll. next week. we'll do it- was just getting on a roll. next week. we'll do it next week we'll do it next week, get a quick line because we didn't quick line in because we didn't actually you in. i do want actually bring you in. i do want to say to you, abby,— actually bring you in. i do want to say to you, abby, i'm- to say to you, abby, i'm sorpriset— to say to you, abby, i'm surprised you- to say to you, abby, i'm surprised you accused me of going— surprised you accused me of going tact— surprised you accused me of going pact to— surprised you accused me of going back to the middle ages. but going back to the middle ages. dot-want— going back to the middle ages. dot-want to— going back to the middle ages. but-want to be— going back to the middle ages. but-want to be industrial. going back to the middle ages. but you want to be industrial as well. well, well, leave it well. well, well, we'll leave it there. thanks to our guests tonight,— tonight, reem ibrahim and dent-amin— tonight, reem ibrahim and benjamin their tonight, reem ibrahim and. benjamin _their the benjamin lockney in their the viewers-as well. i benjamin lockney in their the viewers as well. ken viewers love them as well. ken says— viewers love them as well. ken says-everyone.—

viewers love them as well. ken says,.everyone. the- viewers love them as well. ken says, everyone. the new says, hi, everyone. the new dent-amin— says, hi, everyone. the new denramin is— says, hi, everyone. the new benjamin is better. well i won't tell benjamin is better. well i won't rat—up,- benjamin is better. well i won't rat—up, tnoogn, benjamin is better. well i won't tellthe up, though, benjamin is better. well i won't tellthe brilliant up, though, benjamin is better. well i won't tellthe brilliant mark), though, benjamin is better. well i won't tellthe brilliant mark dolan gh, it's the brilliant mark dolan sne— it's the brilliant mark dolan sire—tor- it's the brilliant mark dolan- she _for watching. she has very much for watching. see— she has very much for watching. see-neat— she has very much for watching. see-next week— she has very much for watching. see-next week . - she has very much for watching. see next week . “ti"ti see you next week. hello there. in — see you next week. hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your evening weather update from the met office as we look forward to the second day of the long weekend . it is looking to long weekend. it is looking to stay fine for many of us all thanks pressure that is thanks to high pressure that is very clinging onto of very much clinging onto much of the keeping things and the uk, keeping things nice and settled this cold front settled even this cold front that's been pushing into the north—west continuing to fade north—west is continuing to fade away any the rain that away. and any of the rain that we have it through we have seen on it through saturday fizzling out . so saturday is fizzling out. so it'll of cloudy it'll be more of a cloudy feature as it moves across northern ireland into central eastern few eastern areas of england. a few mist and fog patches perhaps forming across east anglia, south areas england. south eastern areas of england. but elsewhere there'll be a good number intervals, number of clear intervals, perhaps night underneath perhaps a mild night underneath the cloud itself. but where you do have those clear intervals, temperatures dropping down in some rural areas, particularly for ground of for higher ground areas of scotland . so where we have those scotland. so where we have those bright intervals, first thing, it should be a lovely start to sunday. cloud just coming sunday. this cloud just coming and going again across central

areas might provide some lowestoffe across some coastal areas , but generally it will areas, but generally it will break up into the afternoon. the odd shower possible, but you'll be unlucky to see one of those elsewhere. some nice sunny intervals climbing to of intervals climbing to highs of 20 celsius in the south as we 20 to celsius in the south as we head into the evening. the cloud across england will continue to fade away. some hazy, wispy stuff across scotland still, but generally a pleasant end to the day underneath the clear day underneath all the clear spells develop overnight, spells that develop overnight, though that will allow those temperatures much temperatures to drop off much more . and so many areas more widely. and so many areas will down into those will be getting down into those single figure marks, perhaps a touch of frost across northern england, northern england, scotland and northern ireland well . but bank ireland as well. but into bank houday ireland as well. but into bank holiday itself , there'll holiday monday itself, there'll be number of sunny be a good number of sunny intervals. uv intervals. do remember that uv levels will be high throughout the with any wispy the day, even with any wispy cloud around . we do though, have cloud around. we do though, have a a breeze developing a bit of a breeze developing across the south coast of england. and that england. come monday, and that will as we head into will continue as we head into the forthcoming week. this easterly just bringing easterly breeze just bringing some the north some cooler air off the north sea. generally western areas sea. so generally western areas will be faring best for our

temperatures, still will be faring best for our teraieratures, still will be faring best for our tera fair ures, still will be faring best for our tera fair amount still will be faring best for our tera fair amount of still will be faring best for our tera fair amount of sunshine be a fair amount of sunshine around to that high around thanks to that high pressure by .

by it's 9:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight big torts.— this is mark dolan tonight big news, folks. holly willoughby has news, folks. holly willoughby nas proton— news, folks. holly willoughby has broken her— news, folks. holly willoughby has broken her silence. we will ming— has broken her silence. we will dring yoo— has broken her silence. we will dring yoo toti— has broken her silence. we will bring you full reaction to the tepartore— bring you full reaction to the tepartore ot— bring you full reaction to the departure of phillip schofield trom— departure of phillip schofield trom iiv— departure of phillip schofield from itv and— departure of phillip schofield from itv and the pack of lies. he from itv and the pack of lies. to tott— from itv and the pack of lies. to toit iris— from itv and the pack of lies. he told his employer, his family and he told his employer, his family ant tire— he told his employer, his family and the british— he told his employer, his family and the british people how much did and the british people how much tit iiv— and the british people how much tit to know— and the british people how much did itv know and— and the british people how much did itv know and for how long ant— did itv know and for how long ant now— did itv know and for how long ant now many— did itv know and for how long and how many well paid stars, incioting— and how many well paid stars, including willoughby, sat by and watcnet— including willoughby, sat by and watcnet tits— including willoughby, sat by and watched this happen as yet another— watched this happen as yet another powerful tv presenter

seemingiy— another powerful tv presenter seemingly untouchable , conducts