by | bvl way. i by- way. it's i by— way. it's saturday by way. it's saturday night and this— way. it's saturday night and this is— way. it's saturday night and iiis is iss— way. it's saturday night and this is the saturday five. i'm darren— this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes— this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes along- this is the saturday five. i'm darren grimes along with albie amankona emily carver, reem ibrahim and benjamin loughnane. tonight on the show, phillip seneiieii— tonight on the show, phillip schofield lied— tonight on the show, phillip schofield lied and his itv career has died. why religious fundamentalists— career has died. why religious fundamentalists should not be aire— fundamentalists should not be adie re— fundamentalists should not be adie is de— fundamentalists should not be able to be teachers just top oil snorin— able to be teachers just top oil snenii ani— able to be teachers just top oil should put down— able to be teachers just top oil should put down the orange denier— should put down the orange denier ani— should put down the orange powder and check their privilege . viny— powder and check their privilege . why sir— powder and check their privilege . wny sir keir— powder and check their privilege . why sir keir starmer- powder and check their privilege . why sir keir starmer does not have the guts to save britain's health care problems. and should we bring health care problems. and should we dring desk— health care problems. and should we bring back the— health care problems. and should we bring back the death- f and should we bring back the death penalty for we bring back the death penalty ier snid— we bring back the death penalty for child killers?— we bring back the death penalty for child killers? it's 8:00, ani— for child killers? it's 8:00, and iris— for child killers? it's 8:00, and ran is— for child killers? it's 8:00, and this is the— for child killers? it's 8:00, and this is the .- and this is the. saturday five. | ris— and this is the. saturday five. i as going— and this is the. saturday five. i as going is— and this is the. saturday five. i as going in de- and this is the. saturday five. - it's going to be a- and this is the. saturday five. - it's going to be a fiery. it's going to be a fiery one tonight. welcome to the saturday five. is the show where bad five. this is the show where bad blood and tension between presenters is actively

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saturday night news with roy smith . thank— saturday night news with roy smith . thank you very much, smith. thank you very much, iniiw. — smith. thank you very much, emily- weig— smith. thank you very much, emily. �*vw�* [mg "3 smith. thank you very much, emily. g emily. holly willoughby has broken her silence on phillip schofield's affair with a young itv employee , saying she is hurt itv employee, saying she is hurt by his deceit. holly released a statement on social media saying , when the reports of the relationship first surfaced, she asked phillip directly if it was true and he told her it was not. she says it's been very hurtful to now find out that this was a lie. phillip resigned yesterday after admitting the affair, describing it as unwise but not illegal . the mail on sunday, illegal. the mail on sunday, journalist charlotte griffiths says people in the industry she must have known it was a video of him having lunch in a cafe with this young man and although i think he was 18 at the time, so it was the worst kept secret. you have to take him at his wani— you have to take him at his were. wew— you have to take him at his word. you know,— you have to take him at his word. you know, holly must have asked— word. you know, holly must have asked nirn — word. you know, holly must have asked him about— word. you know, holly must have asked him about this. people arseni— asked him about this. people arewni nin— asked him about this. people around him must have asked him aneur— around him must have asked him adewi anis— around him must have asked him about this and— around him must have asked him about this and he— around him must have asked him about this and he must have iieri— about this and he must have desi-wini— about this and he must have lied.-what he- about this and he must have lied. what he said. lied. that's what he said. and

war-s— lied. that's what he said. and inar-s ari— lied. that's what he said. and inar-s aii we— lied. that's what he said. and that's all we know, right now. we that's all we know, right now. we wew,— that's all we know, right now. we wgg, en— that's all we know, right now. we well, gb news presenter and inner— we well, gb news presenter andi former—eamonn former this morning host eamonn newnes— former this morning host eamonn weines nas— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit out— former this morning host eamonn holmes has hit out at his seiieagwes— holmes has hit out at his colleagues, saying finally colleagues, saying he's finally deen—en— colleagues, saying he's finally been _on social- colleagues, saying he's finally- been _on social media. been caught out on social media. he been caught out on social media. we said— been caught out on social media. we said rear— been caught out on social media. he said four high— been caught out on social media. he said four high members- been caught out on social media. he said four high members of- been caught out on social media. he said four high members of itv management knew what sort of man he was and never once took action to prevent him controlling or taking advantage of his position over young people. well, itv says it did investigate the rumours of a relationship between schofield and the employee in 2020, but found no evidence to support the claims , as both parties denied claims, as both parties denied it . well, showbiz reporter ellie it. well, showbiz reporter ellie phillips told us that schofield's actions were more than inappropriate . he's saying than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal,— than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal, but— than inappropriate. he's saying it's not illegal, but it's- he's saying it's not illegal, but it's also adewi— it's not illegal, but it's also adewi an— it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse— it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse of power because riiiiin— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is the was the face — phillip schofield is the was the face or— phillip schofield is the was the face or anis— phillip schofield is the was the face of this morning in a massive position of power and wew-we— massive position of power and wew-we gei— massive position of power and wew-we gar a— massive position of power and you've got a runner who, in the snee— you've got a runner who, in the snee er— you've got a runner who, in the scheme of things— you've got a runner who, in the scheme of things within the scene, you know— scheme of things within the scene, you know within how it works— scene, you know within how it works behind _ scene, you know within how it works behind the— scene, you know within how it works behind the scenes much works behind the scenes is much rower— works behind the scenes is much rower-rung— works behind the scenes is much rower-rung in- works behind the scenes is much lower-rung in terms. works behind the scenes is much lower rung in terms of lower down the rung in terms of newer—nai- lower down the rung in terms of newer—inn poweri power. so it's about that power irndaianse— power. so it's about that power imbalance.ithink_ power. so it's about that power imbalance.ithink .— power. so it's about that power imbalance. think . well in

imbalance. i think. well in ener— imbalance. i think. well in one news— imbalance. i think. well in other news this— imbalance. i think. well in other news this evening, the wane— other news this evening, the home office— other news this evening, the home office says the border connoi— home office says the border control system _ home office says the border control system failure at rnwiiinie— control system failure at multiple uk— control system failure at multiple uk airports has now deen— multiple uk airports has now deen iixei. — multiple uk airports has now been fixed. 31 : been fixed. earlier thousand of people travelling for the bank houday people travelling for the bank holiday faced delays after a technical fault on the e—gates passport for those arriving into the uk had to be checked by hand rather than the automated machines . well, the home office machines. well, the home office has thanked those impacted for their patience as to just stop oil protesters have been arrested for disrupting the gallagher premiership rugby final at twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick hart from bristol and 40 year old sam johnson from essex ran onto the pitch midway through the first half of the match before throwing orange paint powder onto the field. play was suspended as the men were escorted from the stadium by stewards . tv online dab+ by stewards. tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news nato. back to the .

news nato. back to the. saturday five. yes, five. - i yes, it's five. yes, it's saturday night. you're - yes, it's saturday night. wew-re wiri— . yes, it's saturday night. you're with the— yes, it's saturday night. you're with the saturday five. in — you're with the saturday five. in nniiw— you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver— you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver and don't i'm emily carver and we don't nine— i'm emily carver and we don't nine-non — i'm emily carver and we don't hide .from .fellow- hide stuff from our fellow areseniers— hide stuff from our fellow presenters here. quite presenters here. we're quite open— presenters here. we're quite open adowr— presenters here. we're quite open about the _ presenters here. we're quite open about the contempt we hold easi— open about the contempt we hold each oner— open about the contempt we hold each one in.— open about the contempt we hold each other in. so— open about the contempt we hold each other in. so let's crack on wiri— each other in. so let's crack on was ionigni-s— each other in. so let's crack on with tonight's first— each other in. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. you may— with tonight's first debate. you may nave— with tonight's first debate. you may have noticed— with tonight's first debate. you may have noticed that phil schofield's— may have noticed that phil schofield's departure from itv nas— schofield's departure from itv was-oin— schofield's departure from itv has-odd headline. schofield's departure from itv has odd headline this has made the odd headline this week.— has made the odd headline this week. so— has made the odd headline this week. so wiry— has made the odd headline this week. so why don't we see what darren— week. so why don't we see what darren grimes— week. so why don't we see what darren grimes makes of it all? rake— darren grimes makes of it all? rake ii— darren grimes makes of it all? rake ii away,— darren grimes makes of it all? take it away, darren. viii“ «wilt? take it away, darren. well, yes, iniiiio— take it away, darren. well, yes, phillip schofield lied on his itv has died. i mean, how itv career has died. i mean, how outrageous that the itv, the itv a channel that preaches and screeches much in the way of wokery and wokery that they can get rid of the likes of piers morgan and jeremy clarkson for saying mean words about duchess of montecito , meghan markle, or of montecito, meghan markle, or jeremy kyle. but they can keep someone like schofield on their

flagship morning show for such a long time. dan wootton of this parish, of course, dropped bombshell shell revelations on twitter last night of how he went to itv management with the story that's now been confirmed . and whilst he was at the sun newspaper in 2019. itv has said today that it did conduct an investigation into phillip schofield's affair with a much younger male employee. but both parties denied the claims. now, schofield has disclosed his relationship with said younger male colleague while still being married to his wife of 30 years, stephanie lowe to the daily mail. do you remember the fanfare about how stunning and brave phillip was to come out as gay? well, now it looks like now more than a convenor , innocent more than a convenor, innocent walk screen , precious little in walk screen, precious little in the way of compassion was offered to his wife by a fallen press and the twittersphere , a

press and the twittersphere, a wife who was lied to and for so long and cheated on how dare frankly , if you ask me, philip, frankly, if you ask me, philip, make fools of so many as he had his youthful cake and eat it. how different do we now look at those tearful scenes on the infamous this morning sofa as holly willoughby and schofield announced he was gay. schofield was seen as the jewel in itv's presenting crown, presenting other shows like the british soap awards, the cube and five gold rings. no i haven't heard of them either. but look , in my of them either. but look, in my view , this whole this morning view, this whole this morning edifice ought to come tumbling down. it is clearly built on a bed of lies. there are already calls for itv ceo carolyn mccall's head to actually roll as a result of the fallout. now, my colleague eamonn holmes, i think it's safe to say, hasn't

held back. perhaps put it only how he indeed could as a former presenter on this morning for 15 years, he tweeted , schofield has years, he tweeted, schofield has finally been caught out. but he's not the only guilty party for high members of itv. management knew what sort of man he was and never once took action to prevent him control, lying or taking advantage of his position over young people . and position over young people. and regarding holly willoughby's reaction, eamonn said this on this very channel. she said says, oh, the coach will not feel the same without him being there. well, feel the same without him being there . well, she wanted him not there. well, she wanted him not were.— there. well, she wanted him not were. so— there. well, she wanted him not there. so what's— there. well, she wanted him not there. so what's she— sii�*fli well, she wanted him not there. so what's she moaning adowi— there. so what's she moaning adowi i— there. so what's she moaning adowi i ine— there. so what's she moaning about ? the coach not feeling the about? the coach not feeling the for— about? the coach not feeling the for nor.— about? the coach not feeling the for her. i— about? the coach not feeling the same for her. i mean, they deserve— same for her. i mean, they oesewe easi— same for her. i mean, they deserve each other, i suppose . deserve each other, i suppose. weir— deserve each other, i suppose. weii said.— deserve each other, i suppose. well said, eamonn— deserve each other, i suppose. well said, eamonn .— deserve each other, i suppose. well said, eamonn . she's- deserve each other, i suppose. well said, eamonn . she's more well said, eamonn. she's more fake than me. grandad's teeth , fake than me. grandad's teeth, i'll tell you that much, eamonn went on to say that schofield lied to both him and wife ruth langsford, adding that ruth and i were deceived and lied to. one

day i will tell the story . she day i will tell the story. she had no issue with him being gay , only support what transpired and took us for fools. the man told us complete lies and we unfortunately believed him . now, unfortunately believed him. now, folks, it's all compounded , of folks, it's all compounded, of course, by months of bad press on the rift with this long time co—host holly willoughby. of course, his brothers sex abuse trial and the public outcry over his vip boston visit to our late and great queen's lying in state tonight , and great queen's lying in state tonight, willoughby issued a blistering statement . and blistering statement. and without a trademark use of pretty emojis by saying this it's taken time to process yesterday's news when reports of this relationship surfaced , i this relationship surfaced, i asked phil directly if this was true and was told it was not. it's been very hurtful to now find out that this was a lie, which i'll tell you what is pretty interested , given dan pretty interested, given dan wootton reports for mailonline tonight, that itv cars ferried

this young man from the tv studios to schofield's apartment inside , leaders are asking inside, leaders are asking questions about just how much was known of the unwise but not illegal . schofield's words, not illegal. schofield's words, not mine, by the way , relationship. mine, by the way, relationship. now i dare say this story is going to run on for the rest of the weekend. perhaps schofield is former puppet colleague gordon the golfer has a thing or two to say, but whatever more there is to come out, two to say, but whatever more there is to come out , the there is to come out, the muppeteer is clearly schofield. this is all enough to damage not just schofield but also itv and its defenders . now all i can see its defenders. now all i can see you're champing at the bit. they're ready to go for my jugular. so what do you make of all that? you don't agree with a word , do you? i think you're word, do you? i think you're owning— word, do you? i think you're owning worris— word, do you? i think you're putting words into- : cc» 7 i think you're putting words into my mouth. darren— putting words into my mouth. darren-there- putting words into my mouth. darren.-there is- putting words into my mouth. darren. there is no doubt darren. look, there is no doubt in nw— darren. look, there is no doubt in no mino— darren. look, there is no doubt in my mind ai— darren. look, there is no doubt in my mind at all— darren. look, there is no doubt in my mind at all that phillip donorieio— in my mind at all that phillip schofield has— in my mind at all that phillip schofield has behaved , schofield has behaved, absolutely— schofield has behaved, absolutely reprehensibly . and i absolutely reprehensibly. and i wrink— absolutely reprehensibly. and i inink anis— absolutely reprehensibly. and i think this whole— absolutely reprehensibly. and i think this whole episode of what has happened— think this whole episode of what has happened ai— think this whole episode of what has happened at this morning has iainieo— has happened at this morning has rainreo wrai— has happened at this morning has tainted what is— has happened at this morning has tainted what is a—

has happened at this morning has tainted what is a loved and oriented— tainted what is a loved and cherished television show by rniiiions— cherished television show by niiiions oi— cherished television show by millions of people across the connin— millions of people across the country who— millions of people across the country who tune— millions of people across the country who tune in every morning— country who tune in every morning ro— country who tune in every morning to watch this morning, anis— morning to watch this morning, even this week— morning to watch this morning, even this week ,_ morning to watch this morning, even this week , the prime even this week, the prime minister— even this week, the prime minister rishi _ even this week, the prime minister rishi sunak was found giriing— minister rishi sunak was found giriing-rneeiing- minister rishi sunak was found girling meeting alison girling over meeting alison hammond.— girling over meeting alison wannono. i— girling over meeting alison hammond. i have to say i would be hammond. i have to say i would do as— hammond. i have to say i would do as weir— hammond. i have to say i would do as weii ii— hammond. i have to say i would be as well if i— hammond. i have to say i would be as well if i had— hammond. i have to say i would be as well if i had the pleasure of be as well if i had the pleasure or meeting— be as well if i had the pleasure or neeiing a— be as well if i had the pleasure of meeting a cringe. i'm not going— of meeting a cringe. i'm not going ro— of meeting a cringe. i'm not going to ie— of meeting a cringe. i'm not going to lie. i loved it. as you could see from my twitter. but i think what i would— could see from my twitter. but i think what i would say- f: but i think what i would say about anis— think what i would say about this issue— think what i would say about this issue is— think what i would say about this issue is that— think what i would say about this issue is that we've got to remember-there- this issue is that we've got to remember there are real remember that there are real people— remember that there are real oeooie-nean- remember that there are real oeooie-nean or- remember that there are real people heart of this, people at the heart of this, stories— people at the heart of this, stories-stories.- stories of these stories. inere-s— stories of these stories. there's phillip of there's phillip schofield, ofj course - a - man there's phillip schofield, of. course -a -man in course there's a young man in question.— course there's a young man in question. there's— course there's a young man in question. there's philip's iarniiw— question. there's philip's raniiw iris— question. there's philip's family, his daughters, his wife, who— family, his daughters, his wife, woo-nes— family, his daughters, his wife, who-he's still- family, his daughters, his wife, who he's still married family, his daughters, his wife, whrand he's still married family, his daughters, his wife, whrand hewe'rel married family, his daughters, his wife, whrand hewe're talking d to. and so when we're talking adowi— to. and so when we're talking about-stories,- to. and so when we're talking about-stories, i- to. and so when we're talking about stories, i think about these stories, i think goi— about these stories, i think we've got remember that . and about these stories, i think w

was he not being hounded? did you hound? he was you not just hound? he was hounded. i just hound. hounded. yes, i did. just hound. yes. rightly so. because yes. and rightly so. because he's liar and a charlatan. but he's a liar and a charlatan. but caroline hounded caroline flack was hounded because an argument, an because she had an argument, an altercation boyfriend . altercation with her boyfriend. and isn't the same as and this isn't the same as telling a complete litany of lies for years on end. well, she was accused of being an abuser. i mean, that was the accusation ano— i mean, that was the accusation ano inat— i mean, that was the accusation and war was— i mean, that was the accusation and that was what— i mean, that was the accusation and that was what was going around— and that was what was going around-media. - and that was what was going around media. and and that was what was going arounof media. and and that was what was going arounof course, media. and and that was what was going arounof course, beinina. and and that was what was going arounof course, being accused then, of course, being accused of then, of course, being accused or-rneani— then, of course, being accused of-meant that- then, of course, being accused of meant that then she of a crime meant that then she nai— of a crime meant that then she nan-nia— of a crime meant that then she nae-iriai by— of a crime meant that then she had trial by media. so had that trial by media. so i wrink— had that trial by media. so i think ine— had that trial by media. so i think the comparison is actually goite— think the comparison is actually gone-simian— think the comparison is actually quite,-similar.-you. quite, quite similar. and you know,— quite, quite similar. and youi know—tar know, philip schofield, as far as we are aware,— know, philip schofield, as far as we are aware, has done noting— as we are aware, has done nothing illegal.- as we are aware, has done nothing illegal. and i think nothing illegal. and so i think inor— nothing illegal. and so i think roar—use— nothing illegal. and so i think roar—use rise- nothing illegal. and so i think that use the media in that we cannot use the media in anis— that we cannot use the media in iris-donny— that we cannot use the media in iris-donny inn- that we cannot use the media in this-portray him in- that we cannot use the media in this portray him in this this way to portray him in this way.— this way to portray him in this way- _ this way to portray him in this way- dent-amin- this way to portray him in this. way.- benjamin,-do way. right. benjamin, what do you with that? well, no, i you agree with that? well, no, i think, you know,— you agree with that? well, no, i think, you know, philip,- agflzrz m7 well, no, i think, you know, philip, at the eno— think, you know, philip, at the end or— think, you know, philip, at the end of ne— think, you know, philip, at the end of the day,— think, you know, philip, at the end of the day, you don't have a rigor— end of the day, you don't have a right ro— end of the day, you don't have a right to de— end of the day, you don't have a right to do a— end of the day, you don't have a right to be a media— end of the day, you don't have a right to be a media personality or—ir— right to be a media personality or—ir-a- or a tv star. if you're a horrible person, you tell lies to your colleagues, you tell lies to your superiors, and you behave certain where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse certain where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse acertain where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse a position where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse a position of where lies to your superiors, and you behrabuse a position of power you abuse a position of power and the people below you potentially, you know, allegedly. i think there's allegedly. i don't think there's any-ne— allegedly. i don't think there's any-ire snowin— allegedly. i don't think there's any-he should ever- g: i don't think there's any he should ever work any reason he should ever work in ne— any reason he should ever work

in no media— any reason he should ever work in the media again and certainly not ai— in the media again and certainly not at w.— in the media again and certainly not at iiv. so— in the media again and certainly not at itv. so i— in the media again and certainly not at itv. so i think, you know,— not at itv. so i think, you know, its— not at itv. so i think, you know, it's one— not at itv. so i think, you know, it's one thing say know, it's one thing to say we're hounding_ know, it's one thing to say- we're hounding-another we're hounding him. it's another rising— we're hounding him. it's another rising-inat— we're hounding him. it's another rising-inn ire-s— we're hounding him. it's another thing that he's been thing to say that he's been rignriw— thing to say that he's been. rightly—behaving rightly chastised for behaving andr— rightly chastised for behaving and,-misusing- and, you know, misusing his position—neani and, you know, misusing his. position—mean, i'll position for years. i mean, i'll insa— position for years. i mean, i'll just that it's doubt it's just say that it's doubt it's only phil schofield who's in the wrong. of course. i mean, wrong. now, of course. i mean, i don't know how much we can say, but quite clear but i think it's quite clear that been a number of that there's been a number of people who knew about this bad behaviour to behaviour when it came to management. protecting management. a lot of protecting him face of itv. and him as this big face of itv. and i think tells us something i think this tells us something about media and showbiz in about the media and showbiz in general. there's a lot of protecting people, a lot of protecting of people, a lot of protecting of people, a lot of protecting of people, a lot of protecting of reputations. there's people there's a lot of throwing people under if they don't suit under the bus if they don't suit your narrative. and think this your narrative. and i think this is it's captured the is why it's captured the imagination people imagination of so many people across country, because it across the country, because it seems for them, one seems one rule for them, one rule another. i think rule for another. and i think that's why gets to people. that's why it gets to people. and he was protected for so long. i to say it brings me long. i have to say it brings me no treasure— long. i have to say it brings me no oieaswre in— long. i have to say it brings me no pleasure in saying- wig i have to say it brings me no pleasure in saying but no pleasure in saying this, but i no pleasure in saying this, but i—was— i think if this was a relationship between a senior rnaie— relationship between a senior naie presenter— relationship between a senior male presenter and a younger woman, runner , i— male presenter and a younger woman, runner , i don't actually woman, runner, i don't actually wrink— woman, runner, i don't actually think no— woman, runner, i don't actually think he would— woman, runner, i don't actually think he would have got away wiri— think he would have got away with i— think he would have got away with ii for— think he would have got away

with it for so— think he would have got away with it for so long. and i think it with it for so long. and i think i is— with it for so long. and i think it is disappointing that in twing— it is disappointing that in trying noi— it is disappointing that in trying not io— it is disappointing that in trying not to be homophobic, oernaos— trying not to be homophobic, perhaps pimple— trying not to be homophobic, perhaps people did not call out anis— perhaps people did not call out this behaviour— perhaps people did not call out this behaviour sooner , but i this behaviour sooner, but i guess— this behaviour sooner, but i goesseoawse-d- this behaviour sooner, but i guess because it would guess that's because it would nave— guess that's because it would have orien— guess that's because it would have outed him— guess that's because it would have outed him and i think that ine— have outed him and i think that no extra— have outed him and i think that was the extra the _ have outed him and i think that was the extra the level because wow-re— was the extra the level because you're-someone as- was the extra the level because you're someone as being you're outing someone as being gay,— you're outing someone as being gay, arena— you're outing someone as being gay, aren-r you? — you're outing someone as being gay, aren't you? vii" it gay, aren't you? which is another which is even more difficult thing do than difficult thing to do than outing having outing someone for having an extramarital do you extramarital affair. do you think morning should be think this morning should be taken off air? would you know? i don't i don't think it should be taken off air. i think alison and dermot will do a great job on show. love alison on the show. i love alison hammond. she's one of my favourite personalities ever. favourite tv personalities ever. and if can save this and i think if she can save this morning, then that's a good thing. quite jolly and thing. she's quite jolly and jolly. she a personality. i jolly. she has a personality. i saw-standing— jolly. she has a personality. i saw-standing-to- she has a personality. i saw standing to holly saw her standing next to holly when— saw her standing next to holly when new— saw her standing next to holly when they co—hosted and when they co—hosted together and arnie— when they co—hosted together and arnie-ine— when they co—hosted together and arnie-rite a— when they co—hosted together and arnie-like a piece- when they co—hosted together and arnie-like a piece of- arnie looked like a piece of diese— arnie looked like a piece of piece-compared. arnie looked like a piece of. piece-comparedlher arnie looked like a piece of- piece-comparedlher on piece of wood compared to her on non — piece of wood compared to her on non -aiison— piece of wood compared to her on her. -alison-outshone. her. alison alison did outshone owisnine— her. alison alison did outshone outshine her. _ her. alison alison did outshone outshine her. she— her. alison alison did outshone outshine her. r: r: ' r: outshine her. she did. and i think what we're looking at the viewing figures with this morning, dropped by morning, they've dropped by about had about 170,000 since philip had resigned so i actually think at resigned. so i actually think at the of day, this morning the end of the day, this morning is philip and and whilst is philip and holly. and whilst they are gone, maybe they

dropped scandal. dropped because of the scandal. maybe. absolutely. maybe. yeah. well, absolutely. do think maybe. yeah. well, absolutely. do-ininw neopre— maybe. yeah. well, absolutely. do-think people will- maybe. yeah. well, absolutely. do-think people will go- maybe. “in?“ 39°c“ glint do think people will go back do you think people will go back to do you think people will go back ro anis— do you think people will go back to this morning— do you think people will go back to this morning this, to this morning after this, this were— to this morning after this, this whore-wet,- to this morning after this, this. whole-well,-because whole fiasco? well, no, because on-rnere— whole fiasco? well, no, because on-inere is— whole fiasco? well, no, because on-inere is an- on gb news there is an alternative. - on gb news there is an alternative. on gb news there is an- alternative. so also the whole thing about show, if you've thing about the show, if you've bothered it ever, bothered watching it ever, i mean, it might not be top of your list, but it's all about talking about people's dilemma. mas they've treated mas and the way they've treated people— mas and the way they've treated oeooie-iiwes. — mas and the way they've treated people lives. affairs, people in their lives. affairs, ironw— people in their lives. affairs, ironylbullyin9_ people in their lives. affairs, irony bullying of this. irony, bullying and all of this. ano— irony, bullying and all of this. ana-ii— irony, bullying and all of this. and-it would— irony, bullying and all of this. and-it would be- irony, bullying and all of this. and it would be impossible and it's it would be impossible for and it's it would be impossible tor—a— and it's it would be impossible tor—a siraigni- and it's it would be impossible for—a straight face| for phil to keep a straight face i for phil to keep a straight face iininw— for phil to keep a straight face iinink now— for phil to keep a straight face i think now anyway. holly, i think now anyway. and holly, ioo. — i think now anyway. and holly, ioo. -iiwe— i think now anyway. and holly, too-like she'll- i think now anyway. and holly, too. -like she'll be. too. well, it's like she'll be risen— too. well, it's like she'll be then ini— too. well, it's like she'll be then phil handed david cameron a list then phil handed david cameron a is or— then phil handed david cameron a is or iris— then phil handed david cameron a list of mps accused— then phil handed david cameron a list of mps accused of certain airings— list of mps accused of certain things by— list of mps accused of certain things dy rise— list of mps accused of certain things by the way, unsubstantiated on air and rnings dy one way,— unsubstantiated on air and said, are you— unsubstantiated on air and said, are you going— unsubstantiated on air and said, are you going ro— unsubstantiated on air and said, are you going to deal this? are you going to deal with this? ano— are you going to deal with this? andlthink— are you going to deal with this? andlthink its— are you going to deal with this? and ithink it's terrible.- are you going to deal with this? andlthink it's terrible. it's- and i think it's terrible. it's the moralising this the moralising nature of this morning totally morning has been totally undermined but mean, morning has been totally untyounned but mean, morning has been totally untyou think but mean, morning has been totally untyou think holly but mean, morning has been totally untyou think holly willt mean, morning has been totally untyou think holly will be mean, do you think holly will be impacted by this, emily? i think she will. i mean, that statement that you just read out, it's a little bit i guess pathetic is the word for it. i mean, the right word for it. i mean, she's obviously trying to cover her back. she's saying i was lied i'm the here. lied to. i'm the victim here. that true. it may not be that may be true. it may not be true . so i don't know exactly

true. so i don't know exactly what's on in her head. but what's going on in her head. but of course, she weak and of course, s she looks weak and i don't think she was that this is a bit harsh, but i don't think she was all that. anyway so whether it was her phil so whether it was her and phil that the magic or her in that made the magic or her in someone we'll out, someone else, we'll find out, won't we? well, absolutely. and someone else, we'll find out, vimean'e? well, absolutely. and someone else, we'll find out, vimean ,? well, absolutely. and �*rmean , itviell, absolutely. and �*rmean , itv haveibsolutely. and �*rmean , itv have gotlutely. and �*rmean , itv have got realy. and someone else, we'll find out, vimean , itv have got real well, i mean, itv have got real well, trey-we— i mean, itv have got real well, rney-we goi— i mean, itv have got real well, one, they've got questions to dwi— one, they've got questions to answer, but also— one, they've got questions to answer, but also they're going to dave— answer, but also they're going to dave ro— answer, but also they're going to have to find— answer, but also they're going to have to find replacements in awnoie— to have to find replacements in awnoie nosi— to have to find replacements in a whole host of— to have to find replacements in a whole host of shows because iniiiio— a whole host of shows because phillip—of. phillip schofield was all of nose— phillip schofield was all of those shows. _ phillip schofield was all of those shows. no : those shows. no one's heard of. absolutely. absolutely. i haven-i— absolutely. absolutely. i haven't actually- ' glint absolutely. i haven't actually heard of the two— haven't actually heard of the iwo oi— haven't actually heard of the iwo oi-ine— haven't actually heard of the two of-the cube- haven't actually heard of the two of-the cube ,- haven't actually heard of the two of the cube , and i two of cube. the cube, and i can-i— two of cube. the cube, and i can't even remember. i have neari— can't even remember. i have heart or— can't even remember. i have heart of ne— can't even remember. i have heard of the other one. i oowion-r— heard of the other one. i couldn't-you- heard of the other one. i couldn't-you what. heard of the other one. i couldn't you what happened couldn't tell you what happened in but i have heard not the in it, but i have heard not the one where they get the kit off. no, that's on channel 4 one. wean. anyway,— no, that's on channel 4 one. wean. anyway, wo— no, that's on channel 4 one. “iii?" anyway, up next, i just yeah. anyway, up next, i just wanted— yeah. anyway, up next, i just wanted ro— yeah. anyway, up next, i just wanted to say— yeah. anyway, up next, i just wanted to say that- “iii?" anyway, up next, i just wanted to say that up next, it's going— wanted to say that up next, it's going io— wanted to say that up next, it's going to de— wanted to say that up next, it's going to de-ano- wanted to say that up next, it's going to be and albie is going to be albie and albie is going— going to be albie and albie is going io— going to be albie and albie is going to preach— going to be albie and albie is going to preach to us why he reons— going to preach to us why he reckons religious— going to preach to us why he reckons religious fundamentalist us reckons religious fundamentalist us snowion-i— reckons religious fundamentalist us shouldn't be— reckons religious fundamentalist us shouldn't be teachers . o” us shouldn't be teachers. off you— us shouldn't be teachers. off you gon— us shouldn't be teachers. off you go, arnie.— us shouldn't be teachers. off you go, albie. get— us shouldn't be teachers. off you go, albie. get ready for a preaching. so teachers should not preaching. so teachers should noi eoress— preaching. so teachers should not express opposing-

f q so teachers should not express opposing political views— not express opposing political wnen — not express opposing political views when they're teaching students— views when they're teaching students and _ views when they're teaching students and if— views when they're teaching students and if they do arise, rney— students and if they do arise, rney snowin— students and if they do arise, they should present those views in a— they should present those views in a way— they should present those views in a way wineri— they should present those views in a way which does not prey-noise— in a way which does not prejudice the- in a way which does not prejudice the opinions of the young— prejudice the opinions of the young pimple— prejudice the opinions of the young people that they are roasting.— young people that they are reaoning. so— young people that they are teaching. so why is it that aiiegeoiy— teaching. so why is it that aiiegeoiy a— teaching. so why is it that allegedly a maths teacher was sporting— allegedly a maths teacher was soowring ori— allegedly a maths teacher was spouting off about homosexuality and iris— spouting off about homosexuality and his opposition— spouting off about homosexuality and his opposition to same sex marriage— and his opposition to same sex marriage in— and his opposition to same sex marriage in a— and his opposition to same sex marriage in a maths class? now now our very own calvin robinson interviewing— now our very own calvin robinson was interviewing mr— now our very own calvin robinson was interviewing mr joshua snowme— was interviewing mr joshua sutcliffe earlier on today and mr sutcliffe _ sutcliffe earlier on today and mr sutcliffe claims that he was snook— mr sutcliffe claims that he was struck on— mr sutcliffe claims that he was struck off because— mr sutcliffe claims that he was struck off because he simply misgenoereo— struck off because he simply misgendered a— struck off because he simply misgendered a student by accident,— misgendered a student by accident, which would be outrageous— accident, which would be outrageous if— accident, which would be outrageous if it was true . but outrageous if it was true. but its— outrageous if it was true. but its not — outrageous if it was true. but its not irr— outrageous if it was true. but it's not. mrjoshua outrageous if it was true. but it's not. mr joshua sutcliffe snook— it's not. mr joshua sutcliffe was struck off— it's not. mr joshua sutcliffe was struck off rightly, in my wew— was struck off rightly, in my .— was struck off rightly, in my view , because— was struck off rightly, in my view , because he was unable to view, because he was unable to separate— view, because he was unable to separate iris— view, because he was unable to separate his strongly held reiigiows— separate his strongly held religious views with his duty to treat— religious views with his duty to treat att— religious views with his duty to treat all students— religious views with his duty to treat all students with respect ant— treat all students with respect ant tignity— treat all students with respect ant tignity .— treat all students with respect and dignity . arnie now you tell and dignity. arnie now you tell now— and dignity. arnie now you tell now is— and dignity. arnie now you tell now is it— and dignity. arnie now you tell me, how is it that— and dignity. arnie now you tell me, how is it that someone could treat— me, how is it that someone could treat a— me, how is it that someone could treat a gay— me, how is it that someone could treat a gay student— me, how is it that someone could treat a gay student or a muslim statem— treat a gay student or a muslim stwtent witn— treat a gay student or a muslim student with respect and dignity

if student with respect and dignity it trey— student with respect and dignity it they nave— student with respect and dignity if they have openly said that trey— if they have openly said that they mint— if they have openly said that they think islam and homosexuality is an abomination? or homosexuality is an abomination? dr inteet— homosexuality is an abomination? dr inteet mat— homosexuality is an abomination? or indeed that all— homosexuality is an abomination? or indeed that all sin deserves the or indeed that all sin deserves tne teati— or indeed that all sin deserves the death penalty? that's right . if the death penalty? that's right . it you— the death penalty? that's right . it you nave— the death penalty? that's right . it you have a— the death penalty? that's right . if you have a couple too many strips— . if you have a couple too many onips town— . if you have a couple too many chips down the— . if you have a couple too many chips down the pub, you're off for chips down the pub, you're off tor tire— chips down the pub, you're off tor tire stop.— chips down the pub, you're off for the chop. sounds a bit over tire— for the chop. sounds a bit over tire top— for the chop. sounds a bit over tire top to— for the chop. sounds a bit over me top to me— for the chop. sounds a bit over the top to me. now you're perteotiy— the top to me. now you're perfectly entitled to have these points— perfectly entitled to have these points ot— perfectly entitled to have these points ot view— perfectly entitled to have these points of view, but i would argue— points of view, but i would argue yon— points of view, but i would argue you should be nowhere near argue you should be nowhere near at tiere— argue you should be nowhere near a classroom here at— argue you should be nowhere near a classroom here at gb news. we otten— a classroom here at gb news. we otten tatt— a classroom here at gb news. we often talk about— a classroom here at gb news. we often talk about the _ a classroom here at gb news. we often talk about the woke indoctrination _ often talk about the woke indoctrination of our schools ant— indoctrination of our schools ant otten— indoctrination of our schools and often it's— indoctrination of our schools and often it's justified. but if going— and often it's justified. but if going to— and often it's justified. but if we're going to take that line, got— we're going to take that line, got to— we're going to take that line, we've got to call— we're going to take that line, we've got to call out crankery wherever we find— we've got to call out crankery wherever we find it. and the crankery— wherever we find it. and the crankery ot— wherever we find it. and the crankery of religious fundamentalism has no place in our classroom . so— fundamentalism has no place in our classroom . so go. darren. our classroom. so go. darren. i-ve— our classroom. so go. darren. i-ve got— our classroom. so go. darren. i-ve got a— our classroom. so go. darren. i've got a feeling— our classroom. so go. darren. i've got a feeling that you might— i've got a feeling that you might disagree with me on this, but might disagree with me on this, dot i— might disagree with me on this, dot i migrat— might disagree with me on this, dot i migiot de— might disagree with me on this, but i might be wrong. yeah is mis— but i might be wrong. yeah is this giving— but i might be wrong. yeah is this giving more— but i might be wrong. yeah is this giving more more fire to tire— this giving more more fire to tire wooty— this giving more more fire to the woody argument, which is mat— the woody argument, which is that go— the woody argument, which is that it? won— the woody argument, which is that it? you cannot be a christian— that it? you cannot be a christian in— that it? you cannot be a christian in public society and mat— christian in public society and that tits—

christian in public society and that this is— christian in public society and that this is an— christian in public society and that this is an attack on retigiows— that this is an attack on religious freedom or is it a tegitimate— religious freedom or is it a legitimate concern that i have initiaiiy— legitimate concern that i have initiaiiy .— legitimate concern that i have initiatiy , my— legitimate concern that i have initially , my response to this initially, my response to this to— initially, my response to this to say— initially, my response to this to say it— initially, my response to this was to say it is— initially, my response to this was to say it is absolutely outrageous— was to say it is absolutely outrageous that that a teacher is unatte— outrageous that that a teacher is wnadie to— outrageous that that a teacher is unable to work— outrageous that that a teacher is unable to work again. �*7 is unable to work again. if they misgender— is unable to work again. if they misgenoer a— is unable to work again. if they misgender a pupil right. i thought that that was totally obscene . and then when i read obscene. and then when i read that, he actually on television spoke about this particular child. now i don't happen to believe it's appropriate to speak about a child on television when you're still a teacher, which he was at the time. but what i would say, though, is i really wish that the same outcry and the outpouring of , if the same outcry and the outpouring of, if i can use a biblical term at this particular teacher, was directed at the nutjobs that were surrounding threatening the life of the batley grammar school teacher or the autistic kid who scuffed a

copy of the quran and was had life threats to his life, actually made . it strikes me actually made. it strikes me that it's all right to attack a christian for their views when it comes to education. but we are unable completely to actually address to talk about what the significant issues that exist when it comes to islam in britain's schools . so i would britain's schools. so i would just like a bit of a balanced playing plainfield, to be honest. but benjamin lock nine, we often on this channel we talk about issues pertaining to what happened with the autistic child and the quran being scuffed there was a lot, in fact, of outrage at what happened at the batley grammar school, but also the anti lgbt protest outside schools in nottingham and birmingham. so that does happen . dot— birmingham. so that does happen . dot dot— birmingham. so that does happen . dot dot toes— birmingham. so that does happen . but but does this— birmingham. so that does happen . but but does this prove- gr?“ so that does happen . but but does this prove this insistent— . but but does this prove this incident that— . but but does this prove this incident that you— . but but does this prove this incident that you can't be a devout— incident that you can't be a devout religious— incident that you can't be a devout religious person in the pawn— devout religious person in the public sphere? _ devout religious person in the public sphere? gist public sphere? i've got no problem with people complaining about this if you disagree with him. but i think you should also condemn the left wing teachers, as wing teachers who

as many left wing teachers who use position as a teacher use their position as a teacher in children to spread in charge of children to spread their beliefs and their sort of ideas because they've got impressionable young minds and they fill them with things that they fill them with things that they believe. and there's absolutely no outrage. there's no condemnation— absolutely no outrage. there's no condemnation of- 3 there's no condemnation of those people. but no condemnation of those people. dot wnen— no condemnation of those people. dot wnen ne— no condemnation of those people. but when he happens— no condemnation of those people. but when he happens to- no condemnation of those people. but when he happens to be- but when he happens to be a christian, suddenly it's a big problem . i think there is problem. i think there is a double standard there. but emily, i went to r:r:::r. 3: but emily, i went to christian emily, i went to a christian sonooi. — emily, i went to a christian school. iwent_ emily, i went to a christian school. iwent to - emily, i went to a christian school. iwent to a- emily, i went to a christian school. f emily, i went to a christian- school. iwent to a school that school. i went to a school that was literally called imani school, never came across was literally called imani schoo that never came across was literally called imani schoo that were ever came across was literally called imani schoo that were spoutede across was literally called imani schoo that were spouted by:ross was literally called imani schoo that were spouted by this views that were spouted by this man. and what i read in this report into why he was struck off from profession, was he off from the profession, was he saying this in class? so is there is there a problem with someone having these really quite fundamentalist christian beliefs and teaching in schools? is it compatible? well, if you if you spout in the classroom your beliefs. yes. you probably snowitn-t— your beliefs. yes. you probably moment to— your beliefs. yes. you probably shouldn't be in— your beliefs. yes. you probably shouldn't be in that— ” yes. you probably shouldn't be in that profession . dot— shouldn't be in that profession . dot i— shouldn't be in that profession . dot i mint— shouldn't be in that profession . but i think on— shouldn't be in that profession . but i think on benjamin's point— . but i think on benjamin's point adoot— . but i think on benjamin's point about the _ . but i think on benjamin's point about the left wing indoctrination— point about the left wing indoctrination in schools, you know,— indoctrination in schools, you know a— indoctrination in schools, you know a iot— indoctrination in schools, you know, a lot of— indoctrination in schools, you know, a lot of people think, oh, mat-s— know, a lot of people think, oh, tnat-s rost— know, a lot of people think, oh, that's just daily— know, a lot of people think, oh, that's just daily mail nonsense . voo— that's just daily mail nonsense . too now,— that's just daily mail nonsense . you know, that's— that's just daily mail nonsense . you know, that's just what

yoo-ii— . you know, that's just what yoo-ii tint— . you know, that's just what you'll find in— . you know, that's just what you'll find in the tabloid passp— you'll find in the tabloid newspapers, the right wing newspaper— newspapers, the right wing newspaper-but- newspapers, the right wing newspaper but it's newspaper is. but it's oompietety- newspaper is. but it's completely it is completely true. it is completely- completely true. it is- completely-campbell completely alastair campbell itiastair— completely alastair campbell alastair campbell, course, alastair campbell, of course, dian-s— alastair campbell, of course, blair's spinner,— alastair campbell, of course, blair's spinner, he saying blair's spinner, he was saying now— blair's spinner, he was saying now no— blair's spinner, he was saying how he thinks— blair's spinner, he was saying how he thinks children aged five and how he thinks children aged five ant opwarts— how he thinks children aged five and upwards should have poiitioai— and upwards should have political education in schools. amm— political education in schools. mmm doesn-t— political education in schools. hmm doesn't take it doesn't take a genios— hmm doesn't take it doesn't take a genios to— hmm doesn't take it doesn't take a genius to work— hmm doesn't take it doesn't take a genius to work out. a, a genius to work out. but emily, emily, if we can actually just stick to the topic. no, no, no. what stick to the topic. no, no, no. what was— stick to the topic. no, no, no. what was interesting- it. no, no, no. what was interesting at one what was interesting atone pong,— what was interesting atone point, very— what was interesting at one point, very quickly, one of the attegations— point, very quickly, one of the allegations which— point, very quickly, one of the allegations which was upheld in this report— allegations which was upheld in this report was— allegations which was upheld in this report was that he spoke adoot— this report was that he spoke adoot iris— this report was that he spoke about his opposition to same sex marriage— about his opposition to same sex marriage in— about his opposition to same sex marriage in a— about his opposition to same sex marriage in a maths lesson . if marriage in a maths lesson. if yoo— marriage in a maths lesson. if yoo san— marriage in a maths lesson. if you can condemn— marriage in a maths lesson. if you can condemn woke indoctrination, can you condemn misa— indoctrination, can you condemn this? i— indoctrination, can you condemn this? i i— indoctrination, can you condemn this? i i literally— indoctrination, can you condemn this? i i literally just said i ton-t— this? i i literally just said i ton-t mint— this? i i literally just said i don't think he's— this? i i literally just said i don't think he's in the right protession— don't think he's in the right profession, but— don't think he's in the right profession, but i— don't think he's in the right profession, but i think the more interesting— profession, but i think the more interesting question is the fact mat— interesting question is the fact that indoctrination in that we have indoctrination in our that we have indoctrination in oorenera—gi- that we have indoctrination in oorenera—gt - that we have indoctrination in our-general. andl our schools in general. and i mint— our schools in general. and i tnint it— our schools in general. and i think it needs— our schools in general. and i think it needs to be a balance across the board. so no, i wouldn't want a muslim teacher doing that and i wouldn't want a christian that. christian teacher doing that. if you send your children you choose to send your children to school , then to a religious school, then perhaps we have some leniency. their freedom perhaps we have some leniency.

theirfreedom conscience perhaps we have some leniency. their freedom conscience , their freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of expression and so on. but in a state run school, i can't see there's any justification in and it's quite remarkable, actually, that he has gone on the media and said all these things in this day and age. well, yeah, what i— this day and age. well, yeah, what i would— this day and age. well, yeah, what i would say— this day and age. well, yeah, what i would say to- by? pr: 3 well, yeah, what i would say to that, cc; pr: 3 well, yeah, what i would say to that, sorry, dot— what i would say to that, sorry, dot wrat— what i would say to that, sorry, dot what i— what i would say to that, sorry, but what i would— what i would say to that, sorry, but what i would just to aotoaity— but what i would just to actually speak for this man , actually speak up for this man, gm,— actually speak up for this man, om, ne— actually speak up for this man, om, ire tit— actually speak up for this man, um, he did just.— actually speak up for this man, um, he did just. come on, calvin itodinson-s— um, he did just. come on, calvin robinson's show— um, he did just. come on, calvin robinson's show just before we on air ant— robinson's show just before we were on air and say that astoaiiy— were on air and say that actually what- were on air and say that actually what he was saying was mat— actually what he was saying was that sinist— actually what he was saying was that christ died— actually what he was saying was that christ died for— actually what he was saying was that christ died for our sins. he that christ died for our sins. me wsnt— that christ died for our sins. he wasn't saying all sinners most— he wasn't saying all sinners most to— he wasn't saying all sinners must be murdered in an act of, i ton-t— must be murdered in an act of, i ton-t know,— must be murdered in an act of, i ton-t tnow sm— must be murdered in an act of, i don't know, some theologian venioie— don't know, some theologian vehicle genocide— don't know, some theologian vehicle genocide . he was saying vehicle genocide. he was saying mat— vehicle genocide. he was saying that aotoaiiy— vehicle genocide. he was saying that actually christ died for our sins. we're— that actually christ died for our sins. we're all forgiven for giving— our sins. we're all forgiven for giving sinners— our sins. we're all forgiven for giving sinners, which is a fundamental— giving sinners, which is a fundamental of christian belief. if i fundamental of christian belief. it i wonder— fundamental of christian belief. if i wonder what— fundamental of christian belief. if i wonder what people at home mint,— if i wonder what people at home gin, its— if i wonder what people at home gin, its a— if i wonder what people at home think, it's a tricky— if i wonder what people at home think, it's a tricky one. c think, it's a tricky one. it's a tricky— think, it's a tricky one. it's a tricky one— think, it's a tricky one. it's a tricky to— think, it's a tricky one. it's a tricky one to balance because obviously we've got freedom of speech, but it works both ways and we can't have indoctrination in schools, particularly if you're teacher. mean, you're a maths teacher. i mean, what marriage got to do

what is gay marriage got to do with with maths, perhaps? perhaps link. who perhaps there is a link. who knows? to come knows? anyway, still to come tonight, the latest tonight, i will have the latest from lovable rogues. just from those lovable rogues. just stop my carver pallava stop oil in my carver pallava ream ask whether keir keir ream will ask whether keir keir starmer has the guts to fix britain's care problems britain's health care problems or terminal? but up or are they terminal? but up next, benjamin asks if child killers deserve the death penalty. you're the saturday five live on

afford not to. you're : you're listening afford not to. you're listening to on— afford not to. you're listening to on wews— afford not to. you're listening to gb news radio— afford not to. you're listening to gb news radio .- : you're listening to gb news radio . well come back to gb news radio. well come back to gb news radio. well come back to tire— to gb news radio. well come back to tire satortay— to gb news radio. well come back to the saturday five. as always . yove— to the saturday five. as always , you've been sending in your emails. thank you very much. on phil schofield. jean says this guy is a muppet and a liar to the point but that was then . the point but that was then. this is now. move on. stop hounding before something bad happens. don't you dare start on holly. oh, happens. don't you dare start on holly . oh, that's us. told. oh, holly. oh, that's us. told. oh, mat— holly. oh, that's us. told. oh, mat is— holly. oh, that's us. told. oh, that is us. told i thought she was an agreement till then. and maggie said the teacher was not saying we should be killed if we sin, but that we all die eventually because we are

sinners . yeah, this not sinners. yeah, this is not fundamentalism . it is ordinary fundamentalism. it is ordinary christianity . yeah. are we christianity. yeah. are we getting all het up about bog standard christian teaching us debate that again . but first, debate that again. but first, let's debate our next debate which is ben loughnane . he's not which is ben loughnane. he's not holding back on his saturday five debut. he thinks it's time to bring back capital punishment . yes, it's time for big ben to chime in. well all capital punishment, you know, very contentious issue. you know, we used contentious issue. you know, we oset to— contentious issue. you know, we oset to dave— contentious issue. you know, we oset to have it— contentious issue. you know, we used to have it for— contentious issue. you know, we used to have it for a— contentious issue. you know, we used to have it for a very- you know, we used to have it for a very long time— used to have it for a very long time ant— used to have it for a very long time ant we— used to have it for a very long time and we abolished it some years— time and we abolished it some years ago— time and we abolished it some years ago wow— time and we abolished it some years ago now .— time and we abolished it some years ago now . well, many years ago now. well, many teams— years ago now. well, many teoates ago,— years ago now. well, many decades ago, in— years ago now. well, many decades ago, in fact. but should it do— decades ago, in fact. but should it do gagg— decades ago, in fact. but should it to time? is— decades ago, in fact. but should it be time? is it— decades ago, in fact. but should it be time? is it time really? shooto— it be time? is it time really? shoot it— it be time? is it time really? should it be— it be time? is it time really? should it be brought back? deoaose— should it be brought back? because we've— should it be brought back? because we've seen a recent spate— because we've seen a recent spatelnorritio— because we've seen a recent spate horrific crimes where spate of horrific crimes where peopie— spate of horrific crimes where peopte are— spate of horrific crimes where peopte dang— spate of horrific crimes where people are bang to rights . we people are bang to rights. we dave, in— people are bang to rights. we now have, in fact,— people are bang to rights. we now have, in fact, more methods titan— now have, in fact, more methods man ever— now have, in fact, more methods tnan to— now have, in fact, more methods than ever to establish guilt to a—tnan- than ever to establish guilt to a—tnanititl a higher degree than we did previoosiy. — a higher degree than we did previoosty. we— a higher degree than we did previously. we have video evitence— previously. we have video evidence, forensic evidence. we have — evidence, forensic evidence. we have -ot— evidence, forensic evidence. we have of establishing for have methods of establishing for certain— have methods of establishing for certain mat— have methods of establishing for certain that people are guilty. wove— certain that people are guilty. we've-cases like- certain that people are guilty. we've cases like the we've seen in cases like the recent— we've seen in cases like the recent child _ we've seen in cases like the recent child ,_ we've seen in cases like the recent child , findlay, who was recent child, findlay, who was mugged,— recent child, findlay, who was murdered, should— recent child, findlay, who was murdered, should people like critt— murdered, should people like child killers—

murdered, should people like child killers be— murdered, should people like child killers be given the death penaity— child killers be given the death penatty it— child killers be given the death penatty it it— child killers be given the death penatty it it is— child killers be given the death penalty if it is beyond complete toth— penalty if it is beyond complete toth mat— penalty if it is beyond complete doubt that they— penalty if it is beyond complete doubt that they are guilty? wove— doubt that they are guilty? we-ve aiso — doubt that they are guilty? we've also seen other cases , not we've also seen other cases, not post— we've also seen other cases, not post critt— we've also seen other cases, not just child killers,— we've also seen other cases, not just child killers, people like wayne— just child killers, people like wayne cousins,— just child killers, people like wayne cousins, who was adsoioteiy— wayne cousins, who was absolutely bang to rights and did something— absolutely bang to rights and did something completely horrendous— did something completely horrendous and beyond reproach . horrendous and beyond reproach. snooit— horrendous and beyond reproach. shoot to— horrendous and beyond reproach. should he have— horrendous and beyond reproach. should he have received the team— should he have received the death penalty?— should he have received the death penalty? interestingly when— death penalty? interestingly wnen yoo— death penalty? interestingly wnen yoo to— death penalty? interestingly when you do poll people on the team— when you do poll people on the team penaity— when you do poll people on the death penalty, they tend to be against— death penalty, they tend to be against it.— death penalty, they tend to be against it. but— death penalty, they tend to be against it. but when you give it against it. but when you give it avery— against it. but when you give it a very specitic— against it. but when you give it a very specific case where you say,— a very specific case where you say, tor— a very specific case where you say, tor evampie, — a very specific case where you say, for example, drummer lee itigdy-s— say, for example, drummer lee rigby's murderers— say, for example, drummer lee rigby's murderers stood in rigby's murderers who stood in nont— rigby's murderers who stood in tent-camera— rigby's murderers who stood in front camera holding front of a camera holding a diootiet— front of a camera holding a bloodied-and- front of a camera holding a. bloodied-and-that bloodied knife and saying that they— bloodied knife and saying that they-sorry— bloodied knife and saying that trey-sorry tor- bloodied knife and saying that they sorry for what they were not sorry for what they— they were not sorry for what gray-rag, — they were not sorry for what they-fact, they - they were not sorry for what they fact, they believed they did, in fact, they believed it-tneir— they did, in fact, they believed it-their moral— it was their moral responsibility in responsibility to do so. in mose— responsibility to do so. in those cases,— responsibility to do so. in those cases, people say, well, in-mayte— those cases, people say, well, in .maybe .that- those cases, people say, well,| in .maybe .that-we in fact, maybe in that case we shooto— in fact, maybe in that case we snooit nave— in fact, maybe in that case we should have the— in fact, maybe in that case we should have the death penalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat'sie the death penalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat's all�*ie death penalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat's all i'm eath penalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat's all i'm askingtnalty. in fact, maybe in that case we shotthat's all i'm asking for. y. and that's all i'm asking for. in and that's all i'm asking for. in—evtreme- and that's all i'm asking for.| in_extreme cases in the absolute extreme cases where— in the absolute extreme cases where-absolutely- in the absolute extreme cases where absolutely no where there's absolutely no toth.— where there's absolutely no toott—navel where there's absolutely no. doubt._have that doubt. why can't we have that option— doubt. why can't we have that option in— doubt. why can't we have that option in tave— doubt. why can't we have that option in law? i'm— doubt. why can't we have that option in law? i'm sure, albie, yoo-ii— option in law? i'm sure, albie, yoo-ii disagree— option in law? i'm sure, albie, you'll disagree . _ option in law? i'm sure, albie, you'll disagree . i- option in law? i'm sure, albie, you'll disagree . r:r:::r c you'll disagree. i don't know what gave you that impression, but you're absolutely right . i but you're absolutely right. i do disagree with you , uh, do disagree with you, uh, benjamin loughnane, because i often argue that the state does too much and i don't think it is for the state to decide who

lives and who dies. i think i'm sure we can have more a more strenuous criminal justice system with longer sentence cases, harsher punishments . but cases, harsher punishments. but i would feel very uncomfortable all with the state sanctioning the death of a criminal, even if the death of a criminal, even if the crime that they did was heinous. well, i'm the crime that they did was heinous . well, i'm sympathetic heinous. well, i'm sympathetic to mat.— heinous. well, i'm sympathetic to that. i— heinous. well, i'm sympathetic to that. i tire— heinous. well, i'm sympathetic to that. i the one— well, i'm sympathetic to that. i the one caveat to wrap— to that. i the one caveat to what tit— to that. i the one caveat to what to say— to that. i the one caveat to what i'll say is— to that. i the one caveat to what i'll say is that i don't carry— what i'll say is that i don't reatty trost— what i'll say is that i don't really trust this— what i'll say is that i don't really trust this government or mis— really trust this government or this state— really trust this government or this state to— really trust this government or this state to have— really trust this government or this state to have that sort of power— this state to have that sort of power dot— this state to have that sort of power. but then _ this state to have that sort of power. but then when you extend mat— power. but then when you extend that togic— power. but then when you extend that togic, wiry— power. but then when you extend that logic, why should they have the that logic, why should they have tire power— that logic, why should they have me power to— that logic, why should they have the power to sentence people to life the power to sentence people to tire-prisone— the power to sentence people to life . prison? why— the power to sentence people to life prison? why they life in prison? why should they nave— life in prison? why should they nave-to— life in prison? why should they nave-to pot- life in prison? why should they have to put people in have the power to put people in prison—know,- have the power to put people in prison—know, if- have the power to put people in prison—know, if youi prison at all? you know, if you say— prison at all? you know, if you say yoo— prison at all? you know, if you say yoo ton-t— prison at all? you know, if you say you don't trust the state to dave — say you don't trust the state to dave mat— say you don't trust the state to have that moral— say you don't trust the state to have that moral orbiting role, trien— have that moral orbiting role, men—nost- have that moral orbiting role,- then _trust them? then why would you trust them? ant— then why would you trust them? ant-in— then why would you trust them? and-in wartime,- then why would you trust them? and-in wartime, of- then why would you trust them?. and-in wartime, of course and we do. in wartime, of course we did it before. i said i didn't trust— we did it before. i said i didn't trust the- r: r: c i said i didn't trust the state to decide who— didn't trust the state to decide who iivet — didn't trust the state to decide who lived and— didn't trust the state to decide who lived and who died, not whether— who lived and who died, not whether or— who lived and who died, not whether or not— who lived and who died, not whether or not people can to whether or not people can go to prison. — whether or not people can go to prison. -to— whether or not people can go to prison. -to yoo- whether or not people can go to prison. -do you trust- whether or not people can go to prison. do you trust them prison. so why do you trust them with — prison. so why do you trust them with-i— prison. so why do you trust them witn-i mint— prison. so why do you trust them with-i think-a- prison. so why do you trust them with-i think-a very- with that? i think it's a very titterent— with that? i think it's a very different proposition be different proposition to be saying— different proposition to be saying tire— different proposition to be saying the state decides based on tire— saying the state decides based on the evidence— saying the state decides based on the evidence this on the evidence that this criminai— on the evidence that this- criminal—therefore criminal is guilty and therefore shooto— criminal is guilty and therefore smote-rest- criminal is guilty and therefore should-rest of- criminal is guilty and therefore should rest of their should spend the rest of their iite — should spend the rest of their life-compared- should spend the rest of their

life compared the life in prison compared to the state— life in prison compared to the state-tire— life in prison compared to the state-the same.- life in prison compared to the state the same. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe the same. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't he same. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't justame. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't just put. but no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't just put yout no, life in prison compared to the statwe won't just put you ino, but we won't just put you in prison,— but we won't just put you in prison, wett— but we won't just put you in prison, we'll actually kill you. i prison, we'll actually kill you. iiost— prison, we'll actually kill you. irost mint— prison, we'll actually kill you. ijust think it's— prison, we'll actually kill you. i just think it's a— prison, we'll actually kill you. i just think it's a bit of an overreach of— i just think it's a bit of an overreach of power for me. it's something— overreach of power for me. it's something i— overreach of power for me. it's something i personally something i would personally teet— something i would personally feel uncomfortable because feel very uncomfortable because it's feel very uncomfortable because it-s— — feel very uncomfortable because it-s— its— feel very uncomfortable because it-s— its aiwaysl it's not the state. it's always a tory. — it's not the state. it's always a jury. you a jury of your a jury. you have a jury of your peers. so it's not entirely the state, i've state, is it? and listen, i've nat— state, is it? and listen, i've not my— state, is it? and listen, i've not my ron— state, is it? and listen, i've had my run ins— state, is it? and listen, i've had my run ins with- 7 and listen, i've had my run ins with the law on ot— had my run ins with the law on issues of free— had my run ins with the law on issues of free speech. not anything— issues of free speech. not anything as— issues of free speech. not anything as hideous as what taiting— anything as hideous as what we're talking about today, decaose— we're talking about today,| because _worth because i think it is worth nigntignting— because i think it is worth highlighting that incident highlighting that the incident that—becausei that you mentioned, because it was-month— was a ten month old baby morteret— was a ten month old baby murdered christmas day in murdered on christmas day in 2020,— murdered on christmas day in 2020, ant— murdered on christmas day in 2020, and the— murdered on christmas day in 2020, and the parents were heard mentioning—onl mentioning selling the pram on may— mentioning selling the pram on eday-iaogning— mentioning selling the pram on ebay laughing the back of ebay and laughing in the back of ataxi— ebay and laughing in the back of atavi. wow— ebay and laughing in the back of a taxi. now for— ebay and laughing in the back of a taxi. now for people like that , i a taxi. now for people like that , i nave— a taxi. now for people like that , i have to— a taxi. now for people like that , i have to say,— a taxi. now for people like that , i have to say, yeah, i think its— , i have to say, yeah, i think its a— , i have to say, yeah, i think its a waste— , i have to say, yeah, i think it's a waste of— , i have to say, yeah, i think it's a waste of taxpayer resources to _ it's a waste of taxpayer resources to keep them in prison. — resources to keep them in prison. i— resources to keep them in prison. i think— resources to keep them in prison. i think they are heartless,— prison. i think they are heartless, horrible. i was about to swear— heartless, horrible. i was about to swear there.— heartless, horrible. i was about to swear there. i— heartless, horrible. i was about to swear there. i won't . but i to swear there. iwon't. but i mint— to swear there. iwon't. but i think mat— to swear there. iwon't. but i think that people— to swear there. i won't. but i think that people like that oognt— think that people like that oognt to— think that people like that oognt to de— think that people like that ought to be off. is it about ponisnment— ought to be off. is it about punishment or— ought to be off. is it about punishment or revenge? g punishment or revenge? i guess i mat— punishment or revenge? i guess i sense that benjamin is just a bit hungry for blood. no, it's about, like, a bit of revenge. if someone's not remorseful and is not— if someone's not remorseful and is not sorry— if someone's not remorseful and is not sorry tor—

if someone's not remorseful and is not sorry for what they've tone — is not sorry for what they've tone .are — is not sorry for what they've done - are willing - is not sorry for what they've done are willing to do it done and are willing to do it again— done and are willing to do it agar. wiry— done and are willing to do it agar. wiry-we- done and are willing to do it again, why we even again, why should we even entertain— again, why should we even entertain opportunity that entertain the opportunity that they— entertain the opportunity that trey-dne— entertain the opportunity that they one benjamin let's they might? one benjamin let's toot— they might? one benjamin let's toot-ootpots— they might? one benjamin let's look-outputs-so. they might? one benjamin let's look-outputs-so ifj look at the outputs here. so if the look at the outputs here. so if tie-is— look at the outputs here. so if tne-is-prison- look at the outputs here. so if the-is-prison or. the outputs is from prison or punishment want less punishment that we want less crime to happen, is there evidence countries where evidence that in countries where there penalty that there is a death penalty that people less likely commit people are less likely to commit the most heinous crimes? there's a lot evidence there's a lot of evidence to soggest— there's a lot of evidence to suggest deterrent, there's a lot of evidence to- suggest- deterrent, the suggest that as a deterrent, the teati— suggest that as a deterrent, the team penaity— suggest that as a deterrent, the death penalty is— suggest that as a deterrent, the death penalty is very effective. doct— death penalty is very effective. docn asa— death penalty is very effective. such as? well— death penalty is very effective. such as? well you _ death penalty is very effective. such as? well you if you such as? well you know, if you toot— such as? well you know, if you look historically,— such as? well you know, if you look historically, the rate of wint— what about present day murder stit— what about present day murder still—countries- what about present day murder still countries like still happens in countries like saoti— still happens in countries like saudi—example,- still happens in countries like saudi example, and saudi arabia, for example, and rape— saudi arabia, for example, and rape stit— saudi arabia, for example, and rape still happens there as weii. — rape still happens there as weii. dot— rape still happens there as well. butlbelieve- rape still happens there as well. p well. but i believe in the state, right? well, a big state anyway. — state, right? well, a big state anyway. |oon-t— state, right? well, a big state anyway. don't believe this is anyway. i don't believe this is quite interesting. do you think that, quite interesting. do you think mat—yoo— quite interesting. do you think| mat—yoo-nave that, you know, you could have an eye— that, you know, you could have an eye tor— that, you know, you could have an eye tor an— that, you know, you could have an eye for an eye— that, you know, you could have an eye for an eye if— that, you know, you could have an eye for an eye if it wasn't tire— an eye for an eye if it wasn't tire state— an eye for an eye if it wasn't the state killing— an eye for an eye if it wasn't the state killing someone, the teati— the state killing someone, the team penaity— the state killing someone, the death penalty. you know, death penalty. but, you know, the-somebody- death penalty. but, you know, the somebody else death penalty. but, you know,- the-somebody else does the family of somebody else does the family of somebody else does the—murdered,- the child that was murdered, snooit— the child that was murdered, should-allowed- the child that was murdered, should allowed to enact should you be allowed to enact yoor— should you be allowed to enact yon-revenge— should you be allowed to enact yon-revenge? - should you be allowed to enact your revenge ? f " your own revenge? back in anglo—saxon times ? that's how anglo—saxon times? that's how the law worked, right? if somebody killed your family member, you one of theirs. member, you kill one of theirs. look, i don't think that's practical modern day. practical in in the modern day. i indicating that either. but i

think fundamentally, this is a problem with institutions and problem with uk institutions and ourjustice system. we don't put people away. we don't put them away enough. we see away for long enough. we see people child predators people that are child predators actually released actually end up being released after few so actually, after a few years. so actually, i the problem isn't that i think the problem isn't that we more harsh with we need to be more harsh with our actually, we our system. actually, what we need actually implement need to do is actually implement the legislation we already have. ben, that's an interesting goestion— ben, that's an interesting. question._reem question. actually that reem raises-i— question. actually that reem raises-i think,- question. actually that reem raises i think, because raises there, i think, because toes— raises there, i think, because toes-in— raises there, i think, because toes-in tire— raises there, i think, because does-in the case- raises there, i think, because does in the case of findlay does this in the case of findlay , wno— does this in the case of findlay , wioo got— does this in the case of findlay , who we've got a— does this in the case of findlay , who we've got a photograph of on screen now for— , who we've got a photograph of on screen now for our radio iisteners. — on screen now for our radio listeners. absolutely beautiful. benv _ listeners. absolutely beautiful. den an— listeners. absolutely beautiful. den, an ant— listeners. absolutely beautiful. den, an ant i— listeners. absolutely beautiful. ben, an and i is— listeners. absolutely beautiful. ben, an and i is there an argoment— ben, an and i is there an argument, ben, that actually what— argument, ben, that actually what it— argument, ben, that actually what it would _ argument, ben, that actually what it would do is take the scrotiny— what it would do is take the scrotiny ott— what it would do is take the scrutiny off of— what it would do is take the scrutiny off of these sick, twistet — scrutiny off of these sick, twistet .— scrutiny off of these sick, twisted . and— scrutiny off of these sick, twisted . and again i keep twisted. and again i keep wanting— twisted. and again i keep wanting to— twisted. and again i keep wanting to use- twisted. and again i keep wanting to use a particular wag,— wanting to use a particular wort, dot— wanting to use a particular word, but these— wanting to use a particular word, but these people from the sociai— word, but these people from the social services— word, but these people from the social services actually and perhaps— social services actually and perhaps potential failures of the perhaps potential failures of tire state— perhaps potential failures of tire state in— perhaps potential failures of the state in actually allowing mis— the state in actually allowing this critt— the state in actually allowing this child to _ the state in actually allowing this child to be— the state in actually allowing this child to be placed back witn— this child to be placed back with tireso— this child to be placed back with these people . yeah, with these people. yeah, potentially. _ with these people. yeah, potentially. iii" potentially. but on the other hand, if we did have the death penalty, if we had sort of the extreme in law, it would also

give us more scrutiny in our justice because you'd justice system because you'd have degree of evidence have a higher degree of evidence required. you'd have more required. you'd have much more in juries considering in terms of juries considering it. had that. so i think it. if you had that. so i think it. if you had that. so i think it balance out, you know, it would balance out, you know, on is that of that in on is that proof of that in countries where a death countries where there's a death penalty mean, look, penalty currently? i mean, look, there's of countries there's the kind of countries which the death which still have the death penalty. us well, they don't. the us is example, but they, the us is one example, but they, they course have very long they of course have a very long death so the of death row. so the amount of people actually and people who actually get and actually taxpayer actually costs more taxpayer money somebody death money to put somebody on death row us it does to row in the us than it does to just send. well, yes, but on triat— just send. well, yes, but on that age,— just send. well, yes, but on that note, though,- just send. well, yes, but on that note, though, it- : well, yes, but on that note, though, it does cost a neit— that note, though, it does cost a new ot— that note, though, it does cost a new ot a— that note, though, it does cost a hell of a lot— that note, though, it does cost a hell of a lot of— that note, though, it does cost a hell of a lot of money, a dang,— a hell of a lot of money, a bang, someone— a hell of a lot of money, a bang, someone up for life as wet.— bang, someone up for life as weii. dot— bang, someone up for life as well. but we're— bang, someone up for life as well. but we're going to have to ieave— well. but we're going to have to ieave-i— well. but we're going to have to leave-i heard.- well. but we're going to have to leave-i heard. yeah.- leave it there. i heard. yeah. ititicoioos— leave it there. i heard. yeah. ridiculous sums. _ leave it there. i heard. yeah. ridiculous sums. still ahead, tnoogn— ridiculous sums. still ahead, tnoogn, imity-s— ridiculous sums. still ahead, though, emily's going to update us though, emily's going to update os—tne- though, emily's going to update os—tne rost- us on the antics of the just spoiit— us on the antics of the just spoiit drats. — us on the antics of the just spoilt brats. sorry the just stop— spoilt brats. sorry the just stop-crew— spoilt brats. sorry the just stop .crew . her- spoilt brats. sorry the just stop crew her carver stop oil crew in her carver paiaven— stop oil crew in her carver palaver,-next,- stop oil crew in her carver palaver, next, we're going palaver, but next, we're going to rive— palaver, but next, we're going to iive tire— palaver, but next, we're going to live the dream.— palaver, but next, we're going to live the dream. when reem inanim— to live the dream. when reem idranim asks— to live the dream. when reem ibrahim asks kyiv_ to live the dream. when reem ibrahim asks kyiv starmer, has he ibrahim asks kyiv starmer, has ne-gots— ibrahim asks kyiv starmer, has ne-gots to— ibrahim asks kyiv starmer, has ne-gots to-oot- ibrahim asks kyiv starmer, has he-guts to .out our he got the guts to sort out our treatm— he got the guts to sort out our health-crisis?— he got the guts to sort out our health-crisis?-you. health care crisis? yes, you are-tire— health care crisis? yes, you are. the saturday five live are. with the saturday five live

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discussing whether or not sir keir starmer has what it takes to overhaul all our health system. so buckle up, everyone. it's time we lived the dream . i it's time we lived the dream. i love that introduction. so c c c rzzr: r: i love that introduction. so we're tott— love that introduction. so we're toit mat— love that introduction. so we're toit tnat oor— love that introduction. so we're told that our national health service— told that our national health service is— told that our national health service is the— told that our national health service is the envy of the vote. — service is the envy of the world. we're— service is the envy of the world. we're told that when tott— world. we're told that when we're left waiting for gp appointments- we're left waiting for gp appointments or left on waiting iists— appointments or left on waiting iists tor— appointments or left on waiting lists for life— appointments or left on waiting lists for life saving treatment , mat— lists for life saving treatment , tnat att— lists for life saving treatment , tnat ati we — lists for life saving treatment , that all we need to do is trow— , that all we need to do is tmow more— , that all we need to do is throw more of— , that all we need to do is throw more of our hard earned taxpayer— throw more of our hard earned taxpayer castr— throw more of our hard earned taxpayer cash at— throw more of our hard earned taxpayer cash at the broken system — taxpayer cash at the broken system .— taxpayer cash at the broken system . so — taxpayer cash at the broken system . so this— taxpayer cash at the broken system . so this week labour system. so this week labour teater— system. so this week labour teater sir— system. so this week labour leader sir keir— system. so this week labour leader sir keir starmer argued mat— leader sir keir starmer argued that effectively— leader sir keir starmer argued that effectively we need to retorm — that effectively we need to reform our nhs_ that effectively we need to reform our nhs and is super raticai— reform our nhs and is super radical changes— reform our nhs and is super radical changes .— reform our nhs and is super radical changes . let's take radical changes. let's take a toot— radical changes. let's take a toot wrat— radical changes. let's take a look what do _ radical changes. let's take a look what do we— radical changes. let's take a look what do we value? both r:r:::r look what do we value? what do we conserves— look what do we value? what do we conserve? love, cherish and protect ? the answer a public and protect? the answer a public and universal health system free at the point of use paid for by general taxation. the nhs is . general taxation. the nhs is. we've heard it all before. our nhs supposedly that- we've heard it all before. our nhs supposedly that we- c our nhs supposedly that we clap

every— nhs supposedly that we clap every inorstay— nhs supposedly that we clap every thursday for during the pandemic— every thursday for during the pantemic is— every thursday for during the pandemic is absolutely broken. we pandemic is absolutely broken. we spent— pandemic is absolutely broken. we spend currently just below tzoo— we spend currently just below £200 billion _ we spend currently just below £200 billion on— we spend currently just below £200 billion on our national team— £200 billion on our national health service— £200 billion on our national health service and currently we nave— health service and currently we have a— health service and currently we have a recort— health service and currently we have a record high— health service and currently we have a record high level of 7.3 miiiion— have a record high level of 7.3 mittion peopte— have a record high level of 7.3 million people on— have a record high level of 7.3 million people on waiting lists. i million people on waiting lists. i ton-t— million people on waiting lists. i ton-t mint— million people on waiting lists. i don't think sir— million people on waiting lists. i don't think sir keir starmer nas— i don't think sir keir starmer nas tire— i don't think sir keir starmer nas tire gots— i don't think sir keir starmer has the guts to— i don't think sir keir starmer has the guts to do what it reaiiy— has the guts to do what it really takes— has the guts to do what it really takes to— has the guts to do what it really takes to fix britain's treatm— really takes to fix britain's health care— really takes to fix britain's health care problems and that is ettectiveiy— health care problems and that is ettectiveiy to — health care problems and that is effectively to get— health care problems and that is effectively to get rid of the system — effectively to get rid of the system .— effectively to get rid of the system . what— effectively to get rid of the system . what we need instead is system. what we need instead is a sociai— system. what we need instead is a social social— system. what we need instead is a social social insurance health system— a social social insurance health system .— a social social insurance health care system . when we look across care system. when we look across the care system. when we look across tire wont,— care system. when we look across the world, look— care system. when we look across the world, look at— care system. when we look across the world, look at australia to cermany, — the world, look at australia to germany, sweden, denmark , the germany, sweden, denmark, the wetneriants— germany, sweden, denmark, the netherlands, when we look at singapore— netherlands, when we look at singapore tor— netherlands, when we look at singapore for all— netherlands, when we look at singapore for all of these contris— singapore for all of these countries that— singapore for all of these countries that have fantastic podiic— countries that have fantastic podiic ant— countries that have fantastic public and private partnership strips— public and private partnership strips, were— public and private partnership ships, where effectively you as an individual— ships, where effectively you as an individual get— ships, where effectively you as an individual get to choose where— an individual get to choose where yoo— an individual get to choose where yoo get— an individual get to choose where you get your health care trom— where you get your health care pom, not— where you get your health care from, not bureaucrats in the state.— from, not bureaucrats in the state. wow— from, not bureaucrats in the state. wow i— from, not bureaucrats in the state. now i think that effectively _ state. now i think that effectively when we're looking at sir— effectively when we're looking at sir tetr— effectively when we're looking at sir keir starmer's actual answers for the— at sir keir starmer's actual answers for the nhs, what he wants— answers for the nhs, what he wants to— answers for the nhs, what he wants to to— answers for the nhs, what he wants to do is— answers for the nhs, what he wants to do is spend more of our tart— wants to do is spend more of our tart cameo— wants to do is spend more of our hard earned-money. hard earned tax payer money throwing— hard earned tax payer money throwing it— hard earned tax payer money throwing it into— hard earned tax payer money throwing it into a bureaucratic tract— throwing it into a bureaucratic diact note.— throwing it into a bureaucratic black hole. so—

throwing it into a bureaucratic black hole. so we— throwing it into a bureaucratic black hole. so we do you think mat— black hole. so we do you think that sir— black hole. so we do you think that on ten— black hole. so we do you think that sir keir starmer has what it totes— that sir keir starmer has what it takes to— that sir keir starmer has what it takes to fix— that sir keir starmer has what it takes to fix health care prodiems— it takes to fix health care problems in— it takes to fix health care problems in the uk? well, it toesn-t— problems in the uk? well, it doesn't really— problems in the uk? well, it doesn't really matter what i mint. — doesn't really matter what i mint. it— doesn't really matter what i think. it matters- doesn't really matter what i think. c think. it matters what the electorate thinks. and keir starmer has been 1020 points aheadin starmer has been 1020 points ahead in the polls now since liz truss cluster shambles budget, which you supported at the time, i believe. reem so it doesn't really matter what i think about it. it matters what the public think about it and clearly the pubuc think about it and clearly the public think keir starmer has got the answers that rishi got the answers and that rishi doesn't. yeah, we're here to give— doesn't. yeah, we're here to give oor— doesn't. yeah, we're here to give own— : c yeah, we're here to give our own opinion. abby i ton-t— give our own opinion. abby i ton-t mint— give our own opinion. abby i don't think he— give our own opinion. abby i don't think he has. 4:3. cc» c don't think he has. you don't mint— don't think he has. you don't mint-i— don't think he has. you don't think ithink. i don't think he has. you don't think-i think. i don't think he has? i think. i don't think he has? i think. i don't think he has? i think. i don't think he has. but— think he has? i think. i don't think he has. but wes- 7 i don't think he has. but wes streeting, the think he has. but wes streeting, tire snatow— think he has. but wes streeting, the shadow health secretary, has deen— the shadow health secretary, has deen att— the shadow health secretary, has deen oti-tire— the shadow health secretary, has been all-the news- the shadow health secretary, has been all the news recently. been all over the news recently. oes— been all over the news recently. mes-toing— been all over the news recently. he's-doing media- been all over the news recently. he's doing media interview he's been doing media interview otter—says- after media interview. he says ire-s— after media interview. he says ne-s going— after media interview. he says ne-s going-it.- after media interview. he says he's going-it. but. he's going to reform it. but again— he's going to reform it. but again-tire— he's going to reform it. but again,-the same- he's going to reform it. but again, the same kind of again, it's the same kind of phrases— again, it's the same kind of phrases-are,— again, it's the same kind of phrases are, know, again, it's the same kind of- phrases-are,-know, been phrases that are, you know, been spoken— phrases that are, you know, been spoken-more— phrases that are, you know, been spoken more patient spoken about more patient connot— spoken about more patient control, more— spoken about more patient control, more whatever it is. i cant— control, more whatever it is. i can-t—topl control, more whatever it is. ii cant—top ot control, more whatever it is. i- can-t—top or my can't remember off the top of my neat— can't remember off the top of my neat trey-re— can't remember off the top of my head they're-about- head they're talking about big retonn— head they're talking about big reform-that- head they're talking about big reform.-that is- head they're talking about big reform. that is actually reform. but but that is actually totter— reform. but but that is actually potter-what— reform. but but that is actually better-what the - better than what the conservatives about. conservatives are talking about. me— conservatives are talking about. tire—wove— conservatives are talking about. the _we've .from the big reform we've seen from the conservative _isj the conservative government is adoot— the conservative government is about-pharmacists- the conservative government is about pharmacists bit about giving pharmacists a bit power to— about giving pharmacists a bit more power to prescribe things

tite— more power to prescribe things like antibiotics.— more power to prescribe things like antibiotics. it's not carry— like antibiotics. it's not reatty tire— like antibiotics. it's not really the groundbreaking stuff we nect— really the groundbreaking stuff we neet, is— really the groundbreaking stuff we neet, is it— really the groundbreaking stuff we need, is it really? do you that? — we need, is it really? do you that? me— we need, is it really? do you think? the problem- we need, is it really? do you think? "iii”iii; we need, is it really? do you think? the problem here is that we the nhs as this sort of we see the nhs as this sort of sacred cow that we cannot possibly life of possibly touch for the life of us? think the fundamentally us? i think the fundamentally what need is a shift in what we need is a shift in pubuc what we need is a shift in public opinion now. alby's absolutely mean, the absolutely right. i mean, the public, generally are public, generally speaking, are very of the we very supportive of the nhs. we saw everybody with saw everybody clapping with their every their pots and pans every thursday. i did, i, i never did it. i thursday. i did, i, i never did it . i never thursday. i did, i, i never did it. i never did it. but thursday. i did, i, i never did it . i never did it. but gosh, it. i never did it. but gosh, miiiions— it. i never did it. but gosh, millions of— c i never did it. but gosh, millions of people across the coontry— millions of people across the coontry tit. — millions of people across the country did. and— millions of people across the country did. ' r: c. country did. and unfortunately, i think that when we're looking at the way that the nhs is being reformed the future, what we reformed in the future, what we needis reformed in the future, what we need is fundamental reform and sir starmer not have sir keir starmer does not have it. a sir keir starmer does not have it . a lot of the countries that it. a lot of the countries that you— it. a lot of the countries that yoo rost— c a lot of the countries that you just mentioned, especially some of the european ones, are actoaiiy—tne- some of the european ones, arei actually _the same actually facing exactly the same prodiems— actually facing exactly the same prthems witn— actually facing exactly the same problems with their health service— problems with their health service that— problems with their health service that national health service that the national health service— service that the national health service-so— service that the national health service-so is- service that the national health service-so is this- service is facing. so is this sociai— service is facing. so is this social insurance- service is facing. so is this social insurance system really the social insurance system really tne gotten— social insurance system really tne gotten egg— social insurance system really the golden egg that you describe it as— the golden egg that you describe it or— the golden egg that you describe it or is— the golden egg that you describe it or is it— the golden egg that you describe it as, or is it just— the golden egg that you describe it as, or is it just another system — it as, or is it just another system which— it as, or is it just another system which doesn't work very wett— system which doesn't work very well either? _ system which doesn't work very well either? you're— system which doesn't work very well either? v/rzzr. ”it; grit; well either? you're absolutely right. every country in the world multitude of world will face multitude of health problems. health care problems. but

actually difference is under actually the difference is under actually the difference is under a insurance you as a social insurance model, you as an individual can choose where you your health care from. you get your health care from. so like one doctor, so if you don't like one doctor, you choose to go to another. you can choose to go to another. the nhs is effectively a state monopoly. you have choice. monopoly. you have no choice. the government choosing the government is choosing your health you. think health care for you. and i think that's fundamentally immoral. and that why so many and that explains why so many doctors— and that explains why so many doctors .fleeing_ and that explains why so many doctors .fleeing to- doctors are fleeing to australia. _ doctors are fleeing to australia-in- doctors are fleeing to australia. in our taxpayer australia. us in our taxpayer castr— australia. us in our taxpayer cash-educated- australia. us in our taxpayer cash-educated ,- australia. us in our taxpayer cash educated , the cheeky cash to get educated, the cheeky deggars— cash to get educated, the cheeky deggars-sotten— cash to get educated, the cheeky beggars sudden off to beggars and sudden off to aostraiia— beggars and sudden off to aostraiia .— beggars and sudden off to australia . yeah, i think we australia. yeah, i think we snooit— australia. yeah, i think we should change— australia. yeah, i think we should change the rules on that actoaiiy— should change the rules on that actoaiiy. dot— should change the rules on that actually. but i'm— should change the rules on that actually. but i'm wondering is it is— actually. but i'm wondering is it is it— actually. but i'm wondering is it is it tire— actually. but i'm wondering is it is it the case— actually. but i'm wondering is it is it the case that actually yoo-ii— it is it the case that actually yoo-ii no— it is it the case that actually you'll no doubt— it is it the case that actually you'll no doubt will be inundated— you'll no doubt will be inundated with tweets saying mat— inundated with tweets saying that yoo — inundated with tweets saying that yoo wort— inundated with tweets saying that you work for the institute of that you work for the institute ot economic— that you work for the institute of economic affairs? there'll be goestions— of economic affairs? there'll be goestions ot— of economic affairs? there'll be questions of who— of economic affairs? there'll be questions of who funds you and a whore— questions of who funds you and a whore nost— questions of who funds you and a whore nost ot— questions of who funds you and a whole host of accusations, i taresay— whole host of accusations, i taresay .— whole host of accusations, i taresay , dot— whole host of accusations, i daresay , but i— whole host of accusations, i daresay , but i don't reckon that daresay, but i don't reckon that the daresay, but i don't reckon that tie it— daresay, but i don't reckon that tie it tire— daresay, but i don't reckon that the if the labour— daresay, but i don't reckon that the if the labour party cannot retorm — the if the labour party cannot retorm tire — the if the labour party cannot reform the nhs,— the if the labour party cannot reform the nhs, nobody can decaose— reform the nhs, nobody can decaose tire— reform the nhs, nobody can because the tories certainly can-t— because the tories certainly cent to— because the tories certainly cent to it— because the tories certainly can't do it because they would receive exactly— can't do it because they would receive exactly the same accusations— receive exactly the same accusations that you will have

receivet— accusations that you will have received online._ accusations that you will have received online. no doubt. \r:::r received online. no doubt. no, yore— received online. no doubt. no, you're absolutely— received online. no doubt. no, you're absolutely right. i think when it comes to the moral panic behind the private ization of the nhs, that is a huge, huge issue.i the nhs, that is a huge, huge issue. i think we've got we've got remember is that this got to remember is that this accusation around accusation has been going around since was established. since the nhs was established. i think that my colleague kristian niemietz actually looked through the it the entire paperwork when it comes reports the comes to news reports on the nhs. been panicking nhs. people have been panicking about being privatised about the nhs being privatised since the beginning of when it was established after you were born, since before, certainly since we were all born. since before we were all born. emily go. there emily well, there we go. there we go. that is all-got. we go. that is all we've got time— we go. that is all we've got time tor— we go. that is all we've got time tor on— we go. that is all we've got time for on that— we go. that is all we've got time for on that one. but good stom— time for on that one. but good stott .— time for on that one. but good stott . coot— time for on that one. but good stuff . good stuff.— time for on that one. but good stuff . good stuff. don't. stuff. good stuff. i don't. i ton-t— stuff. good stuff. i don't. i ton-t-teir— stuff. good stuff. i don't. i don't keir starmer to don't trust keir starmer to change— don't trust keir starmer to change anything. anyway. still meat,— change anything. anyway. still aneat, we— change anything. anyway. still ahead, we are— change anything. anyway. still ahead, we are saving best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e are saving best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e ire saving best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e i do iaving best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e i do sayig best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e i do say so best change anything. anyway. still ahelast./e i do say so myself. for last. if i do say so myself. my— for last. if i do say so myself. iiy carver— for last. if i do say so myself. my carver palava._ for last. if i do say so myself. my carver palava. i say it's time. — my carver palava. i say it's time. rost— my carver palava. i say it's time. just stop.— my carver palava. i say it's time. just stop. oil packed it in ant— time. just stop. oil packed it in and checked— time. just stop. oil packed it in and checked privilege. in and checked their privilege. voore— in and checked their privilege. you're-saturday- in and checked their privilege. you're saturday five live on you're the saturday five live on

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five as always. cheers. very much for all your emails much for all of your emails about tonight's topics. i wish i could read them all out, judith says. believe we don't says. i can't believe we don't already have the death penalty for these horrendous crimes which seem to be on the increase. but then bridget says, i'm old enough to remember capital punishment and my dad was a met senior officer. if you get it wrong , you can't bring get it wrong, you can't bring that person back from the dead. i do believe that life should be life as it used to be. well, that's it then. i think that's a pretty interesting comparison of. yeah well, there we are. ben, you've had your look now , ben, you've had your look now, up next, though, it's going to be emily, and emily is going to tell us what the just stop oil crew have been getting up to now. time for the carver palava . iquite now. time for the carver palava . i quite like that. just stop pit— . i quite like that. just stop pit crew— . i quite like that. just stop oil crew. well— i quite like that. just stop oil crew. well they've been mating— oil crew. well they've been making rather— oil crew. well they've been making rather a— oil crew. well they've been making rather a spectacle of tnemseives— making rather a spectacle of themselves in— making rather a spectacle of themselves in recent days, raven-t— themselves in recent days, invent-cw- themselves in recent days, haven't or least haven't they? or at least trey-re— haven't they? or at least they're -their- haven't they? or at least they're their to. best they're trying their to. best i sospect— they're trying their to. best i sospect mat— they're trying their to. best i suspect that by— they're trying their to. best i suspect that by now, most of us mem— suspect that by now, most of us tnem tor— suspect that by now, most of us see them for what—

suspect that by now, most of us see them for what they are a sett— see them for what they are a self righteous— see them for what they are a self righteous bunch of cultists wno— self righteous bunch of cultists woo—to- self righteous bunch of cultists woo—to toi who have nothing better to do titan— who have nothing better to do tnan-aroont— who have nothing better to do. than-around-orange than run around throwing orange powter—it- than run around throwing orange powter—it tornsi powder everywhere. but it turns out powder everywhere. but it turns oot mat— powder everywhere. but it turns oot tnat yoo — powder everywhere. but it turns out that you can— powder everywhere. but it turns out that you can only take the mick— out that you can only take the mictltne— out that you can only take the mick-the british— out that you can only take the mick the british public for mick of the british public for sowe— start- mick of the british public for so _we start to l mick of the british public fori so _we start to get so long before we start to get oor-dact.— so long before we start to get our-back. let's- so long before we start to get our back. let's have a look our own back. let's have a look at—antics— our own back. let's have a look at_antics-i'll. at their latest antics and i'll let at their latest antics and i'll tot-teete— at their latest antics and i'll let-decide who- at their latest antics and i'll let decide who the goodies let you decide who the goodies ant— let you decide who the goodies ant tire— let you decide who the goodies and the baddies_ let you decide who the goodies and the baddies are. here so you rost— and the baddies are. here so you post-drats. — and the baddies are. here so you post-drats. oops- just spoilt brats. oops, just stop. — just spoilt brats. oops, just stop. .eco— just spoilt brats. oops, just stop. .eco-at- just spoilt brats. oops, justj stop. -eco-at the stop. oils, eco stunt at the cneisea— stop. oils, eco stunt at the chelsea flower— stop. oils, eco stunt at the chelsea flower show , we are part chelsea flower show, we are part of chelsea flower show, we are part or rost— chelsea flower show, we are part or post stop— chelsea flower show, we are part or post stop ott— chelsea flower show, we are part or post stop at — chelsea flower show, we are part of just stop oil . boot; ”it; g of just stop oil. we're asking the government to stop licencing fossil fuels, which are a death sentence to us all. the secretary general of united nafions secretary general of united nations has says the true criminal radicals are the governments that are still licencing fossil fuels . thus, licencing fossil fuels. thus, our government , our government our government, our government is causing the death of humanity . just stop oil. join us on a slow marching . that's enough of slow marching. that's enough of mat— slow marching. that's enough of that .— slow marching. that's enough of that . i— slow marching. that's enough of that. i ton-t— slow marching. that's enough of that . i don't know— “311" g that's enough of that . i don't know about you, that. i don't know about you, dot— that. i don't know about you, dot i— that. i don't know about you, dot i goite— that. i don't know about you, but i quite like— that. i don't know about you, but i quite like the cut of her j'ib- — but i quite like the cut of her j'ib- actoatiy,— but i quite like the cut of her jib. actually, darren just momdiet— jib. actually, darren just mumbled that we should get her a metat—

mumbled that we should get her a metai. anyway— mumbled that we should get her a medal. anyway moving on, scaffolder_ medal. anyway moving on, scaffolder lewis greaves decided to tate— scaffolder lewis greaves decided to take matters— scaffolder lewis greaves decided to take matters into own to take matters into his own nants. — to take matters into his own nants. _wnat- to take matters into his own hands. _whatitoldi to take matters into his own. hands.-what.told gb hands. here's what he told gb wews. — hands. here's what he told gb wews. i— hands. here's what he told gb wews. i got— hands. here's what he told gb news. i got off— hands. here's what he told gb news. i got off the- hands. here's what he told gb news. gist " news. i got off the train station. i was in the car and att— station. i was in the car and ati mat— station. i was in the car and at that trying— station. i was in the car and all that trying to— iii" i was in the car and all that trying to get over the dritge— all that trying to get over the dritge. ant— all that trying to get over the bridge. and then, of course, rost— bridge. and then, of course, post-tiere- bridge. and then, of course,- post-tiere-me just standing there making me evenor-t— just standing there making me even _for work.- just standing there making me even for work. um and even more late for work. um and the even more late for work. um and tire pica— even more late for work. um and the plea, there's— even more late for work. um and the plea, there's two police otticers— the plea, there's two police officers standing there officers just standing there tooting— officers just standing there looking-like- officers just standing there looking like they're officers just standing there- looking-like they're not looking at them like they're not toing— looking at them like they're not toing metr— looking at them like they're not doing their jobs.— looking at them like they're not doing their jobs. so if they cant— doing their jobs. so if they cent to— doing their jobs. so if they cent to n,— doing their jobs. so if they can't do it, then the members of the can't do it, then the members of tire podiic— can't do it, then the members of the public start— can't do it, then the members of the public start doing it for them —yool the public start doing it fori tnem —yoo go. the public start doing it for- them _you go. taking them. well, there you go. taking it into his own hands. all i've learned that about just learned from that about just stop oil that they, unlike stop oil is that they, unlike the they can afford the scaffolder, they can afford to day's work. perhaps to miss a day's work. perhaps they check their they should check their privilege. then have the privilege. and then we have the dramatic today's rugby dramatic finale. today's rugby premiership final. the piece de resistance storming the barricades the pitch, barricades onto the pitch, streaming orange, glowing powder, put to an powder, all to be put to an abrupt halt by 17 stone. england player tom curry, who promptly dragged the pitch , dragged them off the pitch, kicking and screaming. he rather showed police how deal showed the police how to deal with reckon. but with these people. i reckon. but you what? i'm rather you know what? i'm rather pleased live in pleased that we still live in a country there are people country where there are people with a bit basic common with a bit of basic common sense. tell me, who do you

reckon goodies reckon the goodies and the baddies are here? the self—righteous, doom mongering, time just stop oilers time wasting. just stop oilers 0r time wasting. just stop oilers or ordinary women or the ordinary men and women trying peace trying to earn a living in peace . us benjamin now , when people . us benjamin now, when people talk about just stop oil and the other animal rising and things, they say direct action. this is a great what would you say? it's something we've been doing for years. it's british people showing what they think about things. we should celebrate it. benjamin's going to them to benjamin's going to put them to teati— benjamin's going to put them to team . — benjamin's going to put them to team . i— benjamin's going to put them to death . i wouldn't— benjamin's going to put them to death . i wouldn't go- benjamin's going to put them to death . : " c gist death. i wouldn't go that far. i'll let i'll let the scaffolders and rugby players do it for me. no, i think it's great— it for me. no, i think it's great to— it for me. no, i think it's great to see— it for me. no, i think it's great to see them- c no, i think it's great to see them getting tactiet— great to see them getting tackled and,— great to see them getting tackled and, you know, sprayed witn— tackled and, you know, sprayed with water— tackled and, you know, sprayed with water in— tackled and, you know, sprayed with water in cans. it's about time— with water in cans. it's about time peopte— with water in cans. it's about time people rise— with water in cans. it's about time people rise up against tireso— time people rise up against these losers— time people rise up against these losers because they're not sottragettes. — these losers because they're not sottragettes. -a- these losers because they're not suffragettes. a bunch of suffragettes. they're a bunch of attention— suffragettes. they're a bunch of attention seeking,— suffragettes. they're a bunch of attention seeking, privileged , attention seeking, privileged, upper— attention seeking, privileged, oppermittie— attention seeking, privileged, upper middle class losers. i mint— upper middle class losers. i think its— upper middle class losers. i think it's about— upper middle class losers. i think it's about time that we teait— think it's about time that we teait witn— think it's about time that we dealt with them. v/rzzr. c; dealt with them. you know, emily debate whilst we whilst we don't condone violence , obviously for condone violence, obviously for a second, i do think there is something to be said here about the fact that apparently one of the fact that apparently one of

the blokes that ran onto the rugby pitch was actually a gp. now if you ask me a gp that wants to bring an end to fossil fuels that wants the british economy to basically grind to a halt because obviously we can't have intermittent renewables power , the british economy, power, the british economy, that's a breach of the hippocratic oath. this is why it's such a thing you're talking about why it's such a cold. you think that we could live on wind and solar. what planet are you living on? get from what living on? we get from what planet we from just stop planet did we get from just stop oil a doctor that's oil to a doctor that's protesting against scampton just stop are you listening ? is stop oils. are you listening? is not-opport— stop oils. are you listening? is not-uphold the- not able to uphold the hippocratic— not able to uphold the hippocratic oath and saying that we cant— hippocratic oath and saying that we can't we can't— hippocratic oath and saying that we can't we can't live from from ciean— we can't we can't live from from ciean energy— we can't we can't live from from clean energy sources . listen, clean energy sources. listen, osten— clean energy sources. listen, listen, there _ clean energy sources. listen, listen, there is— clean energy sources. listen, listen, there is a— clean energy sources. listen, listen, there is a logic to what snaron— listen, there is a logic to what snaron sait— listen, there is a logic to what sharon said . _ listen, there is a logic to what sharon said . " c17iii”ig; sharon said. clean energy sources , just nuclear. hang on. sources, just nuclear. hang on. if we did renewables, oil as they ask we how you would power someone's gas boiler. i'll be with nuclear energy.- someone's gas boiler. i'll be with nuclear energy. i- gab i'll be with nuclear energy. i think doris— with nuclear energy. i think doris in— with nuclear energy. i think doris in manchin you're going to keep— doris in manchin you're going to keep oorsevesi— doris in manchin you're going to

keep ourselves we _ doris in manchin you're going to keep ourselves we transition. we keep ourselves we transition. we transition— keep ourselves we transition. we transition from _ keep ourselves we transition. we transition from dirty- keep ourselves we transition. we transition from dirty energy sources is to clean energy sources. rubbish while completing by 2050, net zero by 2050. it's something which this conservative government supports. yes and i support them in mat— supports. yes and i support them in that mission.— supports. yes and i support them in that mission. and— v423; and i support them in that mission. and people are going— in that mission. and people are going to— in that mission. and people are going to tie.— in that mission. and people are going to tie. dot— in that mission. and people are going to die. but stay on sodr-ect. — going to die. but stay on subject. this- going to die. but stay on subject. " it; ”it; subject. this this entire conversation is based on the idea that we need to increase the supply of energy. right. so let richard speak to anybody, whoever across the whoever they are across the country, needs to be able to afford bills, afford their energy bills, obviously. problem the obviously. now, the problem the reason bills are so reason why energy bills are so high because we've been able reason why energy bills are so hilrestrict cause we've been able reason why energy bills are so hilrestrict the ;e we've been able reason why energy bills are so hilrestrict the energy; been able reason why energy bills are so hilrestrict the energy supplyable to restrict the energy supply usage. obviously, with russia, ukraine, reduced ukraine, that's reduced the supply energy supply of the cheapest energy source the cheapest . well, source room, the cheapest. well, i think we should i actually think we should go nuclear. is nuclear. now. the problem is a lot these just are poor lot of these just are poor protesters are against nuclear energy. wind is energy. they're onshore wind is the they are. the cheapest energy they are. they renewable they are against renewable energies will they are against renewable energiesus will they are against renewable energiesus in will they are against renewable energiesus in the will they are against renewable energiesus in the future,ll support us in the future, support us in the future, support energy supply. so support our energy supply. so i think fundamentally, darren is right. i we're looking at right. i mean, we're looking at a of these protests as they a lot of these protests as they don't energy supply don't support energy supply increase don't support energy supply increaenergy, energy bills make energy, energy bills cheaper for those that are most

vulnerable. there's lots of complexities— vulnerable. there's lots of complexities-you i vulnerable. there's lots of. complexities-you said vulnerable. there's lots of. comjwelities-you said vulnerable. there's lots of. comjwe can't-you said there's lots of comjwe can't get you said there's lots of comjwe can't get into,ou said there's lots of comjwe can't get into, butraid that we can't get into, but onsorne— that we can't get into, but onshore wind— that we can't get into, but onshore wind wouldn't be able to dave— onshore wind wouldn't be able to dave tire— onshore wind wouldn't be able to have the capacity— onshore wind wouldn't be able to have the capacity that other torns— have the capacity that other tormslenergy— have the capacity that other forms energy have, whether forms of energy have, whether mat-s— forms of energy have, whether mats-.— forms of energy have, whether mat-s- gt,— forms of energy have, whether that's-, oil, gas.- forms of energy have, whether that's , oil, gas. et that's coal, oil, gas. et ceerat— that's coal, oil, gas. et ceerat ti— that's coal, oil, gas. et cetera. et cetera . so to say cetera. et cetera. so to say onsorne— cetera. et cetera. so to say onshore wind— cetera. et cetera. so to say onshore wind is— cetera. et cetera. so to say onshore wind is the cheapest . it onshore wind is the cheapest. it is-cneapest. — onshore wind is the cheapest. it is cheapest. disingenuous. is the cheapest. disingenuous. is is the cheapest. disingenuous. is-wrong— is the cheapest. disingenuous. is-wrong d— is the cheapest. disingenuous. is-wrong a it— is the cheapest. disingenuous. is-wrong ? it is- is the cheapest. disingenuous. is wrong ? it is wrong. it is that wrong? it is wrong. it is wrong— is that wrong? it is wrong. it is wrong because _ is that wrong? it is wrong. it is wrong because it would not do. —isn-t- is wrong because it would not do. —isn-ttnel be. onshore wind isn't the cheapest you'd have to cheapest energy you'd have to you'd have storage, you'd have to have storage, which don't have, don't have which we don't have, don't have capacity amount capacity for the amount of storage. i i'm storage. i just i just i'm afraid we're at the end. but i was just afraid we're at the end. but i rost getting— afraid we're at the end. but i was just getting on- afraid we're at the end. but i was just getting on a- t: ti“t: but i was just getting on a roll. wett— was just getting on a roll. next week.— was just getting on a roll. next week. we'll- was just getting on a roll. next week. we'll do - was just getting on a roll. next week. we'll do it- was just getting on a roll. next week. we'll do it next week we'll do it next week, get a quick line because we didn't quick line in because we didn't actually you in. i do want actually bring you in. i do want to say to you, abby,— actually bring you in. i do want to say to you, abby, i'm- to say to you, abby, i'm sorpriset— to say to you, abby, i'm surprised you- to say to you, abby, i'm surprised you accused me of going— surprised you accused me of going tact— surprised you accused me of going pact to— surprised you accused me of going back to the middle ages. but going back to the middle ages. dot-want— going back to the middle ages. dot-want to— going back to the middle ages. but-want to be— going back to the middle ages. but-want to be industrial. going back to the middle ages. but you want to be industrial as well. well, well, leave it well. well, well, we'll leave it there. thanks to our guests tonight,— tonight, reem ibrahim and dent-amin— tonight, reem ibrahim and benjamin their tonight, reem ibrahim and. benjamin _their the benjamin lockney in their the viewers-as well. i benjamin lockney in their the viewers as well. ken viewers love them as well. ken says— viewers love them as well. ken says-everyone.— viewers love them as well. ken says,.everyone. the- viewers love them as well. ken says, everyone. the new says, hi, everyone. the new dent-amin— says, hi, everyone. the new denramin is— says, hi, everyone. the new benjamin is better. well i won't tell benjamin is better. well i won't rat—up,- benjamin is better. well i won't rat—up, tnoogn, benjamin is better. well i won't tellthe up, though, benjamin is better. well i won't tellthe brilliant up, though, benjamin is better. well i won't tellthe brilliant mark), though, benjamin is better. well i won't tellthe brilliant mark dolan gh, it's the brilliant mark dolan sne— it's the brilliant mark dolan sire—tor- it's the brilliant mark dolan- she _for watching. she has very much for watching. see— she has very much for watching. see-neat— she has very much for watching. see-next week— she has very much for watching. see-next week . - she has very much for watching. see next week . “ti"ti see you next week. hello there. in — see you next week. hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with

your evening weather update from the met office as we look forward to the second day of the long weekend . it is looking to long weekend. it is looking to stay fine for many of us all thanks pressure that is thanks to high pressure that is very clinging onto of very much clinging onto much of the keeping things and the uk, keeping things nice and settled this cold front settled even this cold front that's been pushing into the north—west continuing to fade north—west is continuing to fade away any the rain that away. and any of the rain that we have it through we have seen on it through saturday fizzling out . so saturday is fizzling out. so it'll of cloudy it'll be more of a cloudy feature as it moves across northern ireland into central eastern few eastern areas of england. a few mist and fog patches perhaps forming across east anglia, south areas england. south eastern areas of england. but elsewhere there'll be a good number intervals, number of clear intervals, perhaps night underneath perhaps a mild night underneath the cloud itself. but where you do have those clear intervals, temperatures dropping down in some rural areas, particularly for ground of for higher ground areas of scotland . so where we have those scotland. so where we have those bright intervals, first thing, it should be a lovely start to sunday. cloud just coming sunday. this cloud just coming and going again across central areas might provide some lowestoffe across some coastal areas , but generally it will areas, but generally it will break up into the afternoon. the odd shower possible, but you'll

be unlucky to see one of those elsewhere. some nice sunny intervals climbing to of intervals climbing to highs of 20 celsius in the south as we 20 to celsius in the south as we head into the evening. the cloud across england will continue to fade away. some hazy, wispy stuff across scotland still, but generally a pleasant end to the day underneath the clear day underneath all the clear spells develop overnight, spells that develop overnight, though that will allow those temperatures much temperatures to drop off much more . and so many areas more widely. and so many areas will down into those will be getting down into those single figure marks, perhaps a touch of frost across northern england, northern england, scotland and northern ireland well . but bank ireland as well. but into bank houday ireland as well. but into bank holiday itself , there'll holiday monday itself, there'll be number of sunny be a good number of sunny intervals. uv intervals. do remember that uv levels will be high throughout the with any wispy the day, even with any wispy cloud around . we do though, have cloud around. we do though, have a a breeze developing a bit of a breeze developing across the south coast of england. and that england. come monday, and that will as we head into will continue as we head into the forthcoming week. this easterly just bringing easterly breeze just bringing some the north some cooler air off the north sea. generally western areas sea. so generally western areas will be faring best for our temperatures, still will be faring best for our teraieratures, still will be faring best for our tera fair ures, still will be faring best for our tera fair amount still will be faring best for our tera fair amount of still will be faring best for our tera fair amount of sunshine be a fair amount of sunshine around to that high around thanks to that high pressure by .

it's 10:00 on television. on it's10:00 on television. on ratio— it's10:00 on television. on ratio ant— it's10:00 on television. on radio and online- it's10:00 on television. on radio and online in the united kingdom.— radio and online in the united tingtom. ant— radio and online in the united kingdom. and across the world. mis— kingdom. and across the world. this is— kingdom. and across the world. this is wart— kingdom. and across the world. this is mark dolan— kingdom. and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight. the big this is mark dolan tonight. the dig news— this is mark dolan tonight. the dig mis— this is mark dolan tonight. the big news this evening, holly witioognty— big news this evening, holly willoughby has— big news this evening, holly willoughby has broken her since — willoughby has broken her silence. we— willoughby has broken her silence. we will bring you full coveraeg in— silence. we will bring you full coverage in relation to the tepartore— coverage in relation to the tepartore ot— coverage in relation to the departure of phillip schofield trom— departure of phillip schofield trom iiv— departure of phillip schofield from itv and— departure of phillip schofield from itv and the pack of lies . from itv and the pack of lies. he from itv and the pack of lies. to tott— from itv and the pack of lies. to toit iris— from itv and the pack of lies. he told his employers, his tamiiy— he told his employers, his tamiiy ant— he told his employers, his family and the— he told his employers, his family and the british public now— family and the british public now mocn— family and the british public how much did— family and the british public how much did itv know and for now— how much did itv know and for now tong— how much did itv know and for now tong ant— how much did itv know and for how long and how— how much did itv know and for how long and how many well paid tass— how long and how many well paid stars, including— how long and how many well paid stars, including willoughby, sat by stars, including willoughby, sat dy ant— stars, including willoughby, sat by and watched— stars, including willoughby, sat by and watched this happen. as yet another— by and watched this happen. as yet another powerful tv presenter— yet another powerful tv presenter seemingly untouchable, contocts— presenter seemingly untouchable, contocts a— presenter seemingly untouchable, conducts a highly— presenter seemingly untouchable, conducts a highly inappropriate reiationsirip— conducts a highly inappropriate relationship tip— conducts a highly inappropriate relationship tip with somebody mocn— relationship tip with somebody mocn yoonger— relationship tip with somebody much younger than him .

much younger than him. plus, tonight-s— much younger than him. plus, tonight's much— much younger than him. plus, tonight's much anticipated sontay— tonight's much anticipated sontay papers— tonight's much anticipated sunday papers . and we know sunday papers. and we know mere-s— sunday papers. and we know mere-s oniy— sunday papers. and we know there's only one— sunday papers. and we know there's only one story in town. it there's only one story in town. it is— there's only one story in town. it is an— there's only one story in town. it is an iiv— there's only one story in town. it is an itv in— there's only one story in town. it is an itv in crisis special. ant— it is an itv in crisis special. ant tots— it is an itv in crisis special. ant tots to— it is an itv in crisis special. and lots to get— it is an itv in crisis special. and lots to get through this noon— and lots to get through this hour, including— and lots to get through this hour, including my take at ten in post— hour, including my take at ten in post a— hour, including my take at ten in just a moment.— hour, including my take at ten in just a moment. in which i'll be in just a moment. in which i'll de teating— in just a moment. in which i'll be dealing with— in just a moment. in which i'll be dealing with itv . but first, be dealing with itv. but first, the headlines— be dealing with itv. but first, the headlines with rory smith . the headlines with rory smith. cneers.— the headlines with rory smith. cneers. wart.— the headlines with rory smith. cheers, mark. well— the headlines with rory smith. cheers, mark. well as- the headlines with rory smith. cheers, mark. well as you've been hearing, holly willoughby has broken her silence on phillip schofield's affair with a young itv employee, saying she is hurt by his deceit. a young itv employee, saying she is hurt by his deceit . holly is hurt by his deceit. holly released a statement on social media saying, when the reports of the relationship first surfaced, she asked phillip directly if it was true and he told her it was not. she says it's been very hurtful to now find out that this was a lie. philip resigned just yesterday

after admitting the affair , after admitting the affair, describing it as unwise but not illegal mail on sunday. journalist charlotte griffiths says people in the industry must have known there was a video of him having lunch in a cafe with this young man and although i think he was 18 at the time, so it was the worst kept secret. you have to take him at his wort.— you have to take him at his wort. voo— you have to take him at his word. you know,— you have to take him at his word. you know, holly must have astet— word. you know, holly must have astet nim — word. you know, holly must have asked him about— word. you know, holly must have asked him about this. people aroont— asked him about this. people aroont nim— asked him about this. people around him must have asked him adoot—most- around him must have asked him about—must have- about this, and he must have not.— about this, and he must have tiet. mat-s— about this, and he must have lied. that's what— about this, and he must have lied. that's what he said. and mat-s— lied. that's what he said. and tnat-s att— lied. that's what he said. and tnat-s at we— lied. that's what he said. and that's all we know right now. war,— that's all we know right now. wet. on— that's all we know right now. well, gb news— that's all we know right now. well, gb news presenter- that's all we know right now. well, gb news presenter and former host eamonn former this morning host eamonn holmes out at philip, holmes has hit out at philip, saying he's finally been caught out social media. he said for out on social media. he said for high members of itv, management knew what sort of man he was and never once took action to prevent him controlling or taking advantage of his position over young people. itv says it did investigate the rumours of a relation between schofield and the employee in 2020, but found

no evidence to support the claims , as both parties denied claims, as both parties denied it. well, showbiz reporter ellie phillips told us that schofield's actions were more than inappropri ate. he's saying it's not illegal— than inappropri ate. he's saying it's not illegal ,_ than inappropri ate. he's saying it's not illegal , but— than inappropri ate. he's saying it's not illegal , but it's- he's saying it's not illegal, but it's also adoot— it's not illegal, but it's also adoot an— it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse— it's not illegal, but it's also about an abuse of power because initiip— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is— about an abuse of power because phillip schofield is the was the taco — phillip schofield is the was the taco ot— phillip schofield is the was the taco ot mis— phillip schofield is the was the face of this morning in a massive position of power and yove— massive position of power and yove got— massive position of power and yove got a— massive position of power and you've got a runner who in the scemen— you've got a runner who in the scemen ot— you've got a runner who in the scheme of things— you've got a runner who in the scheme of things within the scene, you know— scheme of things within the scene, you know within how it works— scene, you know within how it works behind _ scene, you know within how it works behind the— scene, you know within how it works behind the scenes is much tower— works behind the scenes is much tower town— works behind the scenes is much lower down the— works behind the scenes is much lower down the rung in terms of the lower down the rung in terms of tire power — lower down the rung in terms of tire power so— lower down the rung in terms of the power. so it's— lower down the rung in terms of the power. so it's about that power— the power. so it's about that power imbalance . i think . �*vivtticc power imbalance. i think. well, in otter— power imbalance. i think. well, in other new— power imbalance. i think. well, in other news tonight, the home office the border control office says the border control system failure multiple uk system failure at multiple uk airports has now been fixed. earlier thousands of people travelling for the bank holiday faced delays after a technical fault on the e—gates passports for those arriving into the uk had to be checked by hand rather than the automated machines. well the home office has thanked those people who have been impacted for their patience as to just stop oil protesters have

been arrested for disrupting the gallagher premiership rugby final at twickenham. 37 year old doctor patrick hart from bristol and 40 year old sam johnson from essex ran onto the pitch midway through the first half of the match before throwing orange paint powder onto the field . paint powder onto the field. play was suspended as the men were escorted from the stadium by stewards . to tv online were escorted from the stadium by stewards. to tv online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news nato back to . news nato back to. mark okay, folks , i'm going to have okay, folks, i'm going to have to just bring you up to speed on the most extraordinary development. producer greg is going— development. producer greg is going to— development. producer greg is going to sent— development. producer greg is going to sent it— development. producer greg is going to send it to— development. producer greg is going to send it to me- : producer greg is going to send it to me via wnatsapp— going to send it to me via wnatsapp .— going to send it to me via whatsapp , but- going to send it to me via whatsapp , but i'm hearing from whatsapp, but i'm hearing from insiters— whatsapp, but i'm hearing from insiders that— whatsapp, but i'm hearing from insiders that itv— whatsapp, but i'm hearing from insiders that itv are considering- insiders that itv are considering axing this morning . considering axing this morning. yes:— considering axing this morning. ves mocca— considering axing this morning. yes, indeed. this— considering axing this morning. yes, indeed. this is a story mat— yes, indeed. this is a story that keeps— yes, indeed. this is a story that keeps developing. we don't

know— that keeps developing. we don't know where— that keeps developing. we don't know where it's— that keeps developing. we don't know where it's going to go. we eageriy— know where it's going to go. we eagerly anticipate— know where it's going to go. we eagerly anticipate the front pages— eagerly anticipate the front pages-oon- eagerly anticipate the front pages-son on- eagerly anticipate the front pages sun on sunday and pages of the sun on sunday and the pages of the sun on sunday and tire mati— pages of the sun on sunday and tire maii in— pages of the sun on sunday and the mail in particular. it was tire— the mail in particular. it was tire mati— the mail in particular. it was the mail who— the mail in particular. it was the mail who lied to by the mail who were lied to by iniiiip— the mail who were lied to by phillip schofield . let me phillip schofield. let me tell you— phillip schofield. let me tell yoo mat— phillip schofield. let me tell you that willoughby has you that holly willoughby has reveaiet— you that holly willoughby has revealed _former- you that holly willoughby has revealed former co—star revealed that her former co—star scnotieit— revealed that her former co—star scnotieit-to — revealed that her former co—star schofield-to her— revealed that her former co—star schofield to her about an schofield lied to her about an attai— schofield lied to her about an attair witn— schofield lied to her about an affair with a _ schofield lied to her about an affair with a much younger coiteagoe— affair with a much younger colleague. plenty of reaction to dot— colleague. plenty of reaction to dot rost— colleague. plenty of reaction to come, but just that bombshell teatime— come, but just that bombshell headline and— come, but just that bombshell headline and i've— come, but just that bombshell headline and i've got it now and it is— headline and i've got it now and it is now— headline and i've got it now and it is iiv— headline and i've got it now and it is now. itv set— headline and i've got it now and it is now. itv set to— headline and i've got it now and it is now. itv set to axe this morning. — it is now. itv set to axe this morning. that— it is now. itv set to axe this morning. that is— it is now. itv set to axe this morning. that is in the sunday mirror.— morning. that is in the sunday mirror. okay— morning. that is in the sunday mirror. okay the— morning. that is in the sunday mirror. okay the sunday mirror teating— mirror. okay the sunday mirror teating witn— mirror. okay the sunday mirror leading with that— mirror. okay the sunday mirror leading with that bomb shell teatime.— leading with that bomb shell headline. one— leading with that bomb shell headline. one of— leading with that bomb shell headline. one of the most vaioadie— headline. one of the most valuable properties on tv this morning. — valuable properties on tv this morning. iive— valuable properties on tv this morning. live launched by iticnart— morning. live launched by richard and— morning. live launched by richard and judy . millions of richard and judy. millions of viewers are forced tune an amazingiy— viewers are forced tune an amazingly profitable franchise for amazingly profitable franchise tor iiv— amazingly profitable franchise tor iiv .— amazingly profitable franchise tor iiv , set— amazingly profitable franchise for itv , set for— amazingly profitable franchise for itv , set for the axe. for itv, set for the axe. according— for itv, set for the axe. according to- for itv, set for the axe. according to the mirror. i'll dring— according to the mirror. i'll bring reaction— according to the mirror. i'll bring reaction on that very snortiy. — bring reaction on that very snortiy. arso— bring reaction on that very shortly. also, here's a story tor— shortly. also, here's a story tor yoo— shortly. also, here's a story tor yoo are— shortly. also, here's a story for you are harry and meghan on the for you are harry and meghan on tire itocts— for you are harry and meghan on the rocks will— for you are harry and meghan on the rocks will be _ for you are harry and meghan on the rocks will be going live to la the rocks will be going live to ta to— the rocks will be going live to ta to tint— the rocks will be going live to la to find out.— the rocks will be going live to la to find out. and mark dolan tonight— la to find out. and mark dolan tonigiot is— la to find out. and mark dolan tonight is tire— la to find out. and mark dolan tonight is the home of the papers— tonight is the home of the papers witn— tonight is the home of the papers with bombshell headlines like papers with bombshell headlines iite tnat. — papers with bombshell headlines iite that. me— papers with bombshell headlines like that. the potential axing tows—

like that. the potential axing tows-deart— like that. the potential axing folks-heard it— like that. the potential axing folks heard it here. first folks you heard it here. first of folks you heard it here. first ot-morning— folks you heard it here. first ot-morning .— folks you heard it here. first of-morning . so- folks you heard it here. first of morning . so all of that of this morning. so all of that to get— of this morning. so all of that to get tinoogio— of this morning. so all of that to get through. we're going to stay— to get through. we're going to stay on— to get through. we're going to stay on scofield_ to get through. we're going to stay on scofield and itv for my tate— stay on scofield and itv for my take .— stay on scofield and itv for my take . at— stay on scofield and itv for my take . at ten.— stay on scofield and itv for my take . at ten. what— stay on scofield and itv for my take . at ten. what about that take. at ten. what about that naoseating— take. at ten. what about that nauseating display last week when— nauseating display last week when witn— nauseating display last week when with a— nauseating display last week when with a brass neck thicker titan— when with a brass neck thicker than a— when with a brass neck thicker than a contestant— when with a brass neck thicker than a contestant on family tortones— than a contestant on family tortones as— than a contestant on family fortunes as phillip schofield reappearet— fortunes as phillip schofield reappearet to— fortunes as phillip schofield reappeared to present this morning— reappeared to present this morning with— reappeared to present this morning with the gurning holly wittoognty— morning with the gurning holly willoughby rose— morning with the gurning holly willoughby rose to his fred west and willoughby rose to his fred west ant not— willoughby rose to his fred west ant not even— willoughby rose to his fred west and not even acknowledging the story— and not even acknowledging the story evptoting— and not even acknowledging the story exploding around them and pretenting— story exploding around them and pretending there's— story exploding around them and pretending there's nothing to see here. what— pretending there's nothing to see here. what an extraordinary insoit— see here. what an extraordinary insoit to— see here. what an extraordinary insult to itv's— see here. what an extraordinary insult to itv's viewers and what of insult to itv's viewers and what ot iiv. — insult to itv's viewers and what ot my tiny— insult to itv's viewers and what of itv. many high— insult to itv's viewers and what of itv. many high profile tigores— of itv. many high profile figures allege- of itv. many high profile figures allege that the channel and colleagues— figures allege that the channel and colleagues on set, potentiaiiy— and colleagues on set, potentially including willoughby, may have known all atong— willoughby, may have known all atong adoot— willoughby, may have known all along about what— willoughby, may have known all along about what was happening, but along about what was happening, dot possidiy— along about what was happening, but possibly accommodated his denavioor— but possibly accommodated his denavioor .— but possibly accommodated his behaviour , turned a blind eye behaviour, turned a blind eye ant— behaviour, turned a blind eye ant chose— behaviour, turned a blind eye and chose to— behaviour, turned a blind eye and chose to keep the gravy train— and chose to keep the gravy train rolling— and chose to keep the gravy train rolling along. who knows ?

train rolling along. who knows? i train rolling along. who knows? i ton-t— train rolling along. who knows? i ton-t nave— train rolling along. who knows? i don't have those— train rolling along. who knows? i don't have those facts at my tisposai— i don't have those facts at my tisposai .— i don't have those facts at my tisposai , dot— i don't have those facts at my disposal , but this— i don't have those facts at my disposal, but this story is , i disposal, but this story is, i re..— disposal, but this story is, i tear, going— disposal, but this story is, i tear, going to— disposal, but this story is, i fear, going to get worse and i cant— fear, going to get worse and i cant now— fear, going to get worse and i can't see how it— fear, going to get worse and i can't see how it won't hurt wiitoogndy-s— can't see how it won't hurt willoughby's image and how it wont— willoughby's image and how it wont wreat— willoughby's image and how it won't wreak huge reputational tamage— won't wreak huge reputational tamage to— won't wreak huge reputational tamage to iiv— won't wreak huge reputational damage to itv .— won't wreak huge reputational damage to itv . we're already damage to itv. we're already nearing— damage to itv. we're already nearing trom — damage to itv. we're already hearing from tomorrow's sunday mirror— hearing from tomorrow's sunday mirror triat— hearing from tomorrow's sunday mirror that they're— hearing from tomorrow's sunday mirror that they're considering consitering— mirror that they're considering considering axing this morning . considering axing this morning. now:— considering axing this morning. wow, wiry— considering axing this morning. wow, wiry is— considering axing this morning. wow, wiry is it— considering axing this morning. now, why is it such a problem for now, why is it such a problem ior iive— now, why is it such a problem for itv? well,— now, why is it such a problem for itv? well, because let me too— for itv? well, because let me teti yoo,— for itv? well, because let me teti yoo, i-ve— for itv? well, because let me tell you, i've been— for itv? well, because let me tell you, i've been in broadcasting for a couple of tecates— broadcasting for a couple of decades, and— broadcasting for a couple of decades, and your greatest cnency is— decades, and your greatest currency is trust. look i'll get things— currency is trust. look i'll get tirings right.— currency is trust. look i'll get things right. i'll— currency is trust. look i'll get things right. i'll get things wrong— things right. i'll get things wrong .— things right. i'll get things wrong , dot— things right. i'll get things wrong, but i'll— things right. i'll get things wrong , but i'll always be wrong, but i'll always be straight— wrong, but i'll always be straight with— wrong, but i'll always be straight with you and say it as i straight with you and say it as i see— straight with you and say it as i it— straight with you and say it as i it .— straight with you and say it as i it . ii— straight with you and say it as i see it. if i've— straight with you and say it as i see it. if i've had a fight witn— i see it. if i've had a fight witir tire— i see it. if i've had a fight with the missus- i see it. if i've had a fight with the missus , turned up to with the missus, turned up to wort— with the missus, turned up to wort witn— with the missus, turned up to wort witir a— with the missus, turned up to work with a stinking hangover or mate— work with a stinking hangover or mate an— work with a stinking hangover or made an outrageous blooper on air, made an outrageous blooper on ant— made an outrageous blooper on ant i— made an outrageous blooper on ant i to— made an outrageous blooper on ant i to .— made an outrageous blooper on air, and i do , you'll be the air, and i do, you'll be the tint— air, and i do, you'll be the iirst to— air, and i do, you'll be the first to know— air, and i do, you'll be the first to know about it. what you is— first to know about it. what you is what— first to know about it. what you is wirat yoo— first to know about it. what you see is what you get. no cover up— see is what you get. no cover op. dot— see is what you get. no cover op. dot tits— see is what you get. no cover up. but this story— see is what you get. no cover up. but this story reflects the vomit— up. but this story reflects the vomit inducing— up. but this story reflects the vomit inducing fakery of establishment media. the happy to their— establishment media. the happy to their viewers— establishment media. the happy to their viewers with a pretend matey—

to their viewers with a pretend matey relationship between its two presenters,— matey relationship between its two presenters, those who barely speak— two presenters, those who barely speat oti— two presenters, those who barely speat oii air— two presenters, those who barely speak off air shows like this morning— speak off air shows like this morning are— speak off air shows like this morning are artificial . and it's morning are artificial. and it's not post— morning are artificial. and it's not post tire— morning are artificial. and it's not just the presenter's hair, ant— not just the presenter's hair, ant teem— not just the presenter's hair, and teeth that— not just the presenter's hair, and teeth that are false. their tecision— and teeth that are false. their tecision to— and teeth that are false. their decision to go— and teeth that are false. their decision to go on— and teeth that are false. their decision to go on air last week ant— decision to go on air last week ant not— decision to go on air last week and not acknowledge the story prooi— and not acknowledge the story prooi in— and not acknowledge the story prooi in my— and not acknowledge the story was proof in my book that they trave— was proof in my book that they have no— was proof in my book that they have no regard— was proof in my book that they have no regard for— was proof in my book that they have no regard for the audience, mat— have no regard for the audience, that trey— have no regard for the audience, that they think— have no regard for the audience, that they think you're stupid. they— that they think you're stupid. iirey mint— that they think you're stupid. they think your— that they think you're stupid. they think your pond life, they mint— they think your pond life, they tirint yoore— they think your pond life, they think you're scum _ they think your pond life, they think you're scum . think you're scum. i promise you . i-ve— think you're scum. i promise you . i've seen that— think you're scum. i promise you . i've seen that attitude- . i've seen that attitude towarts— i've seen that attitude towards viewers with my own eyes . mow— towards viewers with my own eyes . oow ironc— towards viewers with my own eyes . how ironic, therefore, that tire— . how ironic, therefore, that tire reat— . how ironic, therefore, that the real ratbags_ . how ironic, therefore, that the real ratbags are some of the on air— the real ratbags are some of the on air taient— the real ratbags are some of the on air talent rather— the real ratbags are some of the on air talent rather than the viewing— on air talent rather than the viewing millions . itv are doing viewing millions. itv are doing a iot— viewing millions. itv are doing a tot oi— viewing millions. itv are doing a tot oi tant— viewing millions. itv are doing a lot of hand wringing right now:— a lot of hand wringing right saying— a lot of hand wringing right now, saying that they've been tied— now, saying that they've been tiet to— now, saying that they've been tiet to ant— now, saying that they've been lied to and that— now, saying that they've been lied to and that they investigated and they knew rotting— investigated and they knew notiring oi— investigated and they knew nothing of this— investigated and they knew nothing of this and that schofield's— nothing of this and that schofield's behaviour doesn't arty— schofield's behaviour doesn't aiiy witn— schofield's behaviour doesn't ally with their— schofield's behaviour doesn't ally with their values . do me a ally with their values. do me a iavoor— ally with their values. do me a favour, insiders— ally with their values. do me a favour, insiders allege something— favour, insiders allege something was afoot with schofield's— something was afoot with schofield's behaviour long deiore— schofield's behaviour long deiore iris— schofield's behaviour long before his rushed decision to oot— before his rushed decision to come out as gay— before his rushed decision to come out as gay . was that come out as gay. was that a

convenent— come out as gay. was that a convenient smokescreen? you tell me . toot— convenient smokescreen? you tell me . toot trow— convenient smokescreen? you tell me . look how quickly they me. look how quickly they tispatciret— me. look how quickly they dispatched of— me. look how quickly they dispatched of my old mate piers inorgan— dispatched of my old mate piers morgan a— dispatched of my old mate piers morgan. a ratings— dispatched of my old mate piers morgan. a ratings winner on gmb, wirose— morgan. a ratings winner on gmb, wirose great— morgan. a ratings winner on gmb, whose great crime— morgan. a ratings winner on gmb, whose great crime was to call iiegiran— whose great crime was to call meghan markle— whose great crime was to call meghan markle a— whose great crime was to call meghan markle a liar, a view mat— meghan markle a liar, a view that tras— meghan markle a liar, a view that has agei— meghan markle a liar, a view that has aged quite well given the that has aged quite well given tire moitipie— that has aged quite well given the multiple contradictions in the multiple contradictions in tire stories— the multiple contradictions in the stories that— the multiple contradictions in the stories that she gave to oprah— the stories that she gave to oprair winirey— the stories that she gave to oprah winfrey during that non interview— oprah winfrey during that non interview .— oprah winfrey during that non interview , too.— oprah winfrey during that non interview , too. so itv ditched interview, too. so itv ditched inorgan— interview, too. so itv ditched iiorgan tor— interview, too. so itv ditched morgan for being— interview, too. so itv ditched morgan for being a proper roornaiist— morgan for being a proper journalist and— morgan for being a proper journalist and doing his job, dot— journalist and doing his job, dot trey— journalist and doing his job, dot they keep— journalist and doing his job, but they keep schofield in spite of rumours surrounding their star— of rumours surrounding their star rumours that for years now trave— star rumours that for years now have deen— star rumours that for years now have been louder— star rumours that for years now have been louder than an iron waiter— have been louder than an iron maiden concert— have been louder than an iron maiden concert .— have been louder than an iron maiden concert . schofield has maiden concert. schofield has gone— maiden concert. schofield has gone to— maiden concert. schofield has gone never to return. but what's nesti— gone never to return. but what's nevti cooti— gone never to return. but what's next? could the— gone never to return. but what's next? could the story get worse? ant— next? could the story get worse? ant wirat— next? could the story get worse? ant wirat now— next? could the story get worse? and what now for— next? could the story get worse? and what now for itv? holly witioogirty— and what now for itv? holly willoughby and— and what now for itv? holly willoughby and the this morning dranti— willoughby and the this morning dranti mis— willoughby and the this morning brand? this house— willoughby and the this morning brand? this house of cards look tite— brand? this house of cards look iite its— brand? this house of cards look like it's tumbling— brand? this house of cards look like it's tumbling fast. all dots— like it's tumbling fast. all pets are— like it's tumbling fast. all bets are off— like it's tumbling fast. all bets are off in— like it's tumbling fast. all bets are off in terms of who's stit— bets are off in terms of who's still standing— bets are off in terms of who's still standing ing once the full trott— still standing ing once the full trotir ms— still standing ing once the full truth comes out. _ still standing ing once the full truth comes out. let's hope neari— truth comes out. let's hope we've heard everything now and we've heard everything now and we att— we've heard everything now and we can all move— we've heard everything now and

we can all move on, but i doubt it . iiv— we can all move on, but i doubt it . to are— we can all move on, but i doubt it . itv are responsible for the it. itv are responsible for the iongest— it. itv are responsible for the longest running— it. itv are responsible for the longest running drama series in the longest running drama series in tire wont.— longest running drama series in the world. coronation street's . the world. coronation street's. dot— the world. coronation street's. dot mis— the world. coronation street's. dot this reat— the world. coronation street's. but this real life— the world. coronation street's. but this real life soap opera toots— but this real life soap opera toots tite— but this real life soap opera looks like it's— but this real life soap opera looks like it's going to have a very— looks like it's going to have a very unhappy— looks like it's going to have a very unhappy ending . okay, well, very unhappy ending. okay, well, we tott— very unhappy ending. okay, well, we toit yoo— very unhappy ending. okay, well, we told you we'd— very unhappy ending. okay, well, we told you we'd bring you news as art— we told you we'd bring you news as ant wren— we told you we'd bring you news as and when we— we told you we'd bring you news as and when we get it. and this is — as and when we get it. and this is it— as and when we get it. and this is massive. it broke— as and when we get it. and this is massive. it broke in just the tast— is massive. it broke in just the iast coopie— is massive. it broke in just the iast coopie oi— is massive. it broke in just the last couple of minutes. and it's the last couple of minutes. and it's tire sontay— last couple of minutes. and it's the sunday mirror. _ last couple of minutes. and it's the sunday mirror. they lead witn— the sunday mirror. they lead witir tire— the sunday mirror. they lead with the following. just reading itinw— with the following. just reading it my smartphone by it off my smartphone sent by protocer— it off my smartphone sent by protocer-it-s- it off my smartphone sent by producer-it's now. it off my smartphone sent by producer it's now itv producer greg and it's now itv set to— producer greg and it's now itv set to ac— producer greg and it's now itv set to axe this— producer greg and it's now itv set to axe this morning. and its— set to axe this morning. and its a— set to axe this morning. and it's a shocking,— set to axe this morning. and it's a shocking, shocking teatime— it's a shocking, shocking ireatiine .— it's a shocking, shocking headline . could it be that one headline. could it be that one of headline. could it be that one oi tire— headline. could it be that one oi tire most— headline. could it be that one of the most valuable franchise irooses— of the most valuable franchise irooses in— of the most valuable franchise irooses in iv— of the most valuable franchise houses in tv history is about to go decaose— houses in tv history is about to go decaose oi— houses in tv history is about to go because of this— houses in tv history is about to go because of this scandal ? what go because of this scandal? what are go because of this scandal? what tire— go because of this scandal? what are the implications for willoughby?- are the implications for willoughby? because if this morning— willoughby? because if this morning is— willoughby? because if this morning is tainted, is she not tainteti— morning is tainted, is she not tainted? reacting to my take at ten.— tainted? reacting to my take at ten. tot-s— tainted? reacting to my take at ten. let's speak— tainted? reacting to my take at ten. let's speak now to the tepoty— ten. let's speak now to the tepoty teater— ten. let's speak now to the deputy leader of ukip and long time—

deputy leader of ukip and long time contributor— deputy leader of ukip and long time contributor to this morning,— time contributor to this morning, rebecca jane . rebecca, morning, rebecca jane. rebecca, yoor— morning, rebecca jane. rebecca, yoorreaction— morning, rebecca jane. rebecca, yoor reaction to— morning, rebecca jane. rebecca, your reaction to the news that iiv— your reaction to the news that to are— your reaction to the news that to now— your reaction to the news that itv are now considering axing tits— itv are now considering axing this morning— itv are now considering axing this morning altogether ? c this morning altogether? it's oiiiicoit— this morning altogether? it's difficult really, _ this morning altogether? it's difficult really, because i feel pretty awful for the people who i know who are still there and obviously they are being tarnished with this very unfortunate brush. they can cancel this morning- c. they can cancel this morning for c. its“ they can cancel this morning for all i to— cancel this morning for all i to a— cancel this morning for all i care to a certain— cancel this morning for all i care to a certain extent. but tire— care to a certain extent. but tire prodiem— care to a certain extent. but the problem is— care to a certain extent. but the problem is not going to stop tiere— the problem is not going to stop tirereliire— the problem is not going to stop thereithe problem— the problem is not going to stop there the problem with itv there. the problem is with itv ant— there. the problem is with itv ant tire— there. the problem is with itv and the powers— there. the problem is with itv and the powers be. itv has and the powers that be. itv has decome— and the powers that be. itv has decome ii— and the powers that be. itv has decome ti on— and the powers that be. itv has become. if gb news is the home of become. if gb news is the home oi tree— become. if gb news is the home oi iree speech,— become. if gb news is the home of free speech, itv— become. if gb news is the home of free speech, itv is the home of free speech, itv is the home oi yoo— of free speech, itv is the home oi yoo are— of free speech, itv is the home of you are absolute— of free speech, itv is the home of you are absolute not allowed to say— of you are absolute not allowed to say whatever— of you are absolute not allowed to say whatever you want . you to say whatever you want. you have — to say whatever you want. you have to — to say whatever you want. you have to it— to say whatever you want. you have to fit to _ to say whatever you want. you have to fit to their— to say whatever you want. you have to fit to their agenda . and have to fit to their agenda. and trey— have to fit to their agenda. and they are— have to fit to their agenda. and they tire— have to fit to their agenda. and they are the wokeist channel mat— they are the wokeist channel that exists— they are the wokeist channel that exists out— they are the wokeist channel that exists out there. that's tire— that exists out there. that's tire prodiem— that exists out there. that's tire prodiem .— that exists out there. that's the problem . that's what needs the problem. that's what needs to de— the problem. that's what needs to de ciranget— the problem. that's what needs to be changed and just axing mis— to be changed and just axing this morning— to be changed and just axing this morning won't cut it for voo— this morning won't cut it for me. you are a lawyer. i know yore— me. you are a lawyer. i know yore not— me. you are a lawyer. i know you're not practising, but you you're not practising, but you you are a lawyer and you you had a practise in everything. a lot of allegations are being made about phillip schofield. do you

think he's going to launch the mother of all lawsuits ? no mother of all lawsuits? no i don't, because i think he's been silenced with the settlement agreement. you know , it's agreement. you know, it's a toot— agreement. you know, it's a common tool that- agiitiini“ you know, it's a common tool that we use in the regai— common tool that we use in the tegai wont— common tool that we use in the legal world with— common tool that we use in the legal world with employees who , legal world with employees who, when— legal world with employees who, when we — legal world with employees who, when we want— legal world with employees who, when we want to— legal world with employees who, when we want to bury scandals ant— when we want to bury scandals ant in— when we want to bury scandals ant in my— when we want to bury scandals and in my opinion,— when we want to bury scandals and in my opinion, from what we trave— and in my opinion, from what we have yoo— and in my opinion, from what we have seen, you know, there's certain— have seen, you know, there's certain things— have seen, you know, there's certain things that come with the settlement— certain things that come with the settlement agreement. one is a the settlement agreement. one is .m— the settlement agreement. one is ac—asir osoaiiy- a whole load of cash. usually a mimmom— a whole load of cash. usually a oi— a whole load of cash. usually a minimum of three— a whole load of cash. usually a minimum of three months pay. but it can— minimum of three months pay. but it go— minimum of three months pay. but it go op— minimum of three months pay. but it go op to— minimum of three months pay. but it can go up to about 12 months. ant— it can go up to about 12 months. no even— it can go up to about 12 months. and even further— it can go up to about 12 months. and even further than and even further along than mat,— and even further along than mat—is- and even further along than mat—is is- and even further along than that,_is, is thati that, the rumour is, is that iiriiip— that, the rumour is, is that iiriiip tras— that, the rumour is, is that philip has accepted £300,000, wiricir— philip has accepted £300,000, wiricir wooit— philip has accepted £300,000, which would be— philip has accepted £300,000, which would be six months pay for which would be six months pay ior trim. — which would be six months pay for him-then— which would be six months pay for him.-then also- which would be six months pay for him. then also seen for him. we've then also seen mat— for him. we've then also seen mat-tras— for him. we've then also seen that-has done— for him. we've then also seen that has done glossed up that he has done this glossed up speecir— that he has done this glossed up speecir .— that he has done this glossed up speecir . iirey— that he has done this glossed up speech . they-have.- that he has done this glossed up speech . they have. there's speech. they both have. there's aiways— speech. they both have. there's aiways an— speech. they both have. there's always an agreed— speech. they both have. there's always an agreed settlement in all always an agreed settlement in at oi— always an agreed settlement in at oi mis— always an agreed settlement in all of this where— always an agreed settlement in all of this where they actually oot— all of this where they actually come out and— all of this where they actually come out and they say, oh, everything-s— come out and they say, oh, everything's all— come out and they say, oh, everything's all wonderful and we trave— everything's all wonderful and we have yoo— everything's all wonderful and we have you know, we've all partet— we have you know, we've all partet terms— we have you know, we've all parted terms amicably . it's not parted terms amicably. it's not it's parted terms amicably. it's not its adsoiote— parted terms amicably. it's not it's absolute nonsense. and then actoaiiy— it's absolute nonsense. and then actoaiiy, ii— it's absolute nonsense. and then actoaiiy, ii yoo— it's absolute nonsense. and then actually, if you want to go into his actually, if you want to go into iris coneni— actually, if you want to go into his current statement , i've got his current statement, i've got aiew— his current statement, i've got aiew tirings— his current statement, i've got a few things to— his current statement, i've got a few things to say about that. as wett— a few things to say about that. as well, where— a few things to say about that. as well, where he— a few things to say about that. as well, where he talks about in ionctions— as well, where he talks about in ronctions ant— as well, where he talks about in junctions and he— as well, where he talks about in junctions and he talks about one

sitoation— junctions and he talks about one situation with— junctions and he talks about one situation with one— junctions and he talks about one situation with one person, but actoaiiy— situation with one person, but actoaiiy wirat— situation with one person, but actually what i— situation with one person, but actually what i know is nothing to to— actually what i know is nothing to to witn— actually what i know is nothing to do with that— actually what i know is nothing to do with that person. and iiriiip— to do with that person. and iiriiip tras— to do with that person. and philip has been— to do with that person. and philip has been very careful in his philip has been very careful in iris iast— philip has been very careful in his last statement and said tiere— his last statement and said tirere is— his last statement and said tirere is no— his last statement and said there is no injunction that i know— there is no injunction that i know oi— there is no injunction that i know oi to— there is no injunction that i know of to do— there is no injunction that i know of to do with that relationship.— know of to do with that relationship. he didn't say tirere-s— relationship. he didn't say tirere-s no— relationship. he didn't say there's no injunction for other relationships— there's no injunction for other relationships that he's had as wett— relationships that he's had as weit at— relationships that he's had as weit at rio— relationships that he's had as well at itv, which they could be sitencing— well at itv, which they could be silencing with _ well at itv, which they could be silencing with a— well at itv, which they could be silencing with a settlement agreement— silencing with a settlement agreement . — silencing with a settlement agreement . do- silencing with a settlement agreement . jtit agreement. do you think that a ring of legal steel will protect phillip schofield for the rest of time, or do you think that some of the allegations , the some of the allegations, the rumours floating around online will emerge? what do you think is going to happen ? it's is going to happen? it's difficult really, because , like difficult really, because, like i difficult really, because, like i say,— difficult really, because, like i say, so— difficult really, because, like i say, so i— difficult really, because, like i say, so i know— difficult really, because, like i say, so i know there are other peopte— i say, so i know there are other peopte at— i say, so i know there are other peopte at iiv— i say, so i know there are other peopte at iiv at— i say, so i know there are other people at itv at this morning wiro— people at itv at this morning wiro reit— people at itv at this morning wiro ieit very— people at itv at this morning who left very abruptly young gay ant— who left very abruptly young gay ant went— who left very abruptly young gay men and went to— who left very abruptly young gay men and went to certain other programs— men and went to certain other programs ant— men and went to certain other programs and then they left the cirannei— programs and then they left the channel entirely— programs and then they left the channel entirely .— programs and then they left the channel entirely . so i know that channel entirely. so i know that tirere— channel entirely. so i know that tirere are— channel entirely. so i know that there are other— channel entirely. so i know that there are other things they cooti— there are other things they cooit trave— there are other things they could have also been silenced witn— could have also been silenced witir tire— could have also been silenced with the settlement agreement and with the settlement agreement ant given— with the settlement agreement ant given an— with the settlement agreement and given an amount of money. ant— and given an amount of money. no ii— and given an amount of money. no it tirere-s— and given an amount of money. and if there's one— and given an amount of money. and if there's one thing that

you— and if there's one thing that yoo—to— and if there's one thing that yoo—to to- and if there's one thing that yoo—to to is- and if there's one thing that you—to do is that| and if there's one thing that- you_to do is that you you don't want to do is that you ton-t— you don't want to do is that you tort-anger— you don't want to do is that you tort-anger iiv- you don't want to do is that you don't anger itv lawyers. don't want to anger itv lawyers. ant— don't want to anger itv lawyers. ant ii— don't want to anger itv lawyers. no it yoo— don't want to anger itv lawyers. no it yoo start— don't want to anger itv lawyers. and if you start talking about it, and if you start talking about n, it— and if you start talking about n, it witt— and if you start talking about it, it will come— and if you start talking about it, it will come out. and then trey—yoor- it, it will come out. and then trey—yoor case- it, it will come out. and then they—your case for| they will be on your case for however— they will be on your case for however-they've - they will be on your case for however they've paid and however much they've paid and aiso— however much they've paid and ate—too.- however much they've paid and aiso—too. so- also their legal fees too. so tirere— also their legal fees too. so tirere is— also their legal fees too. so tirere is a— also their legal fees too. so there is a chance- also their legal fees too. so there is a chance that this cooti— there is a chance that this cooit ent— there is a chance that this could end up— there is a chance that this could end up being completely tomca— could end up being completely buried. however— could end up being completely buried. however however, i think mat— buried. however however, i think that wirat— buried. however however, i think that wirat is— buried. however however, i think that what is being— buried. however however, i think that what is being covered up is so dig— that what is being covered up is so dig .— that what is being covered up is so dig . i— that what is being covered up is so dig . i mint— that what is being covered up is so big . i think at— that what is being covered up is so big. i think at some point peopte— so big. i think at some point some people may go to hell with it. im— some people may go to hell with it. in going— some people may go to hell with it. in going to— some people may go to hell with it. i'm going to speak the truth ant— it. i'm going to speak the truth ancart-e— it. i'm going to speak the truth and-care. can- it. i'm going to speak the truth and-care. can you. it. i'm going to speak the truth and care . cr?“ tis“ and i don't care. can you can you— and i don't care. can you can you wade into the choppy legal waters of what that big story might be? i think that there are far might be? i think that there are iar more— might be? i think that there are iar peopte— might be? i think that there are far more people than— g“ ioi7 i think that there are far more people than what i cant— far more people than what i can't actually— far more people than what i can't actually quite believe mat— can't actually quite believe that att— can't actually quite believe that at oi— can't actually quite believe that all of this— can't actually quite believe that all of this speculation is all surrounding— that all of this speculation is all surrounding one person, one reiationsirip— all surrounding one person, one relationship, and— all surrounding one person, one relationship, and that he was oniaitirioi— relationship, and that he was unfaithful-his— relationship, and that he was unfaithful his marriage . i unfaithful in his marriage. i ton-t— unfaithful in his marriage. i tort-trai- unfaithful in his marriage. i don't-that. i- unfaithful in his marriage. i don't that. i think don't think it's that. i think mat— don't think it's that. i think that tirere— don't think it's that. i think that there are _ don't think it's that. i think that there are far more people out that there are far more people oot tirere— that there are far more people out there that— that there are far more people out there that have been sitencet— out there that have been- silenced _ different silenced with various different areemensgt— silenced with various different agreements-i— silenced with various different agreements. i absolutely agreements. and i absolutely deiieve— believe there are other injunctions— believe there are other. injunctions-that believe there are other- injunctions-that the injunctions in place that the media— injunctions in place that the media-not— injunctions in place that the media not allowed to report media are not allowed to report witt— media are not allowed to report wiii tie— media are not allowed to report on. will the truth— media are not allowed to report on. will the truth out- media are not allowed to report on. cc on. will the truth out do you think ? it's tough? one, isn't think? it's tough? one, isn't iti — think? it's tough? one, isn't it? because— think? it's tough? one, isn't it? because rebecca jane hope

so. we do. we do have this it? i “ii we do. we do have this thing so. we do. we do have this thing caitet— so. we do. we do have this thing now called the— we do. we do have this thing now called the internet, don't wei— now called the internet, don't wei ant— now called the internet, don't we? and there's— now called the internet, don't we? and there's a— now called the internet, don't we? and there's a lot online. ant— we? and there's a lot online. no iiriiiip— we? and there's a lot online. and phillip schofield and itv cooitn-t— and phillip schofield and itv couldn't possibly sue all of item — couldn't possibly sue all of item .— couldn't possibly sue all of item . oin— couldn't possibly sue all of item . on it— couldn't possibly sue all of them . uh, it itv- couldn't possibly sue all of them . uh, it itv could. “ti; them. uh, it itv could. they nave— them. uh, it itv could. they nave a— them. uh, it itv could. they nave a nect— them. uh, it itv could. they have a heck of— them. uh, it itv could. they have a heck of a— them. uh, it itv could. they have a heck of a lot of money. they can do whatever they want. they can do whatever they want. they can do whatever they want. they can tie people up in legal wrangles for years upon years. and when you're dealing an and when you're dealing with an ordinary quite easy ordinary person, it's quite easy to them when they think to silence them when they think they're their they're going to lose their livelihoods their homes. and livelihoods or their homes. and you know, be tarnished with the very unfortunate brush . so very unfortunate pr brush. so they could potentially they can they could potentially carry on doing it. i don't know in which way that this could all come out because guys, unless you've got people there saying, it happened to me and they all stick together, that that could be potentially the only way of it coming out. but those people will be sat there right now thinking that they're on their own thinking . i can't say own thinking. i can't say anything because i will be sued to high heaven. and being very scared of that. rj have only got a couple of seconds. i've got

kinsey schofield _ a couple of seconds. i've got kinsey schofield in- a couple of seconds. i've got kinsey schofield in the- ti.tit. i: i've got kinsey schofield in the states coming— kinsey schofield in the states coming op.— kinsey schofield in the states coming up. she's— kinsey schofield in the states coming up. she's the only sciroiieit— coming up. she's the only schofield gig schofield that's got a telly gig at—drieiiy- schofield that's got a telly gig at—drieiiy ii- schofield that's got a telly gig at_briefly, if you| at the moment. briefly, if you canv— at the moment. briefly, if you yoo— at the moment. briefly, if you yoo tnow. — at the moment. briefly, if you can, you know. phillip schofield yove— can, you know. phillip schofield yove deen— can, you know. phillip schofield you've been-that— can, you know. phillip schofield you've been that show for ten you've been on that show for ten yas— you've been on that show for ten years-yoo— you've been on that show for ten years.-you surprised- you've been on that show for ten years. you surprised by years. were you surprised by tireso— years. were you surprised by these revelations ? tell me about these revelations? tell me about these revelations? tell me about tire iiriiiip— these revelations? tell me about the phillip that— these revelations? tell me about the phillip that you know drieiiy— the phillip that you know may, i— the phillip that you know briefly, if you _ the phillip that you know briefly, if you can. ' ctic; briefly, if you can. absolutely not.— briefly, if you can. absolutely not. it's been it's been in the making for years. no, he's an awful person. he tricked me. absolutely appalling . and absolutely appalling. and everything about him and holly is completely , utterly fake. no, is completely, utterly fake. no, not surprising the slightest. there you go, rj. no nonsense, as aiways. — there you go, rj. no nonsense, as always. we'll— there you go, rj. no nonsense, as always. we'll catch- “tiiti 901, no nonsense, as always. we'll catch up “tiiti git 3jj, no nonsense, as always. we'll catch up soon. itedecca— as always. we'll catch up soon. itedecca tare,— as always. we'll catch up soon. rebecca jane, thank you so much. depoty— rebecca jane, thank you so much. depoty teater— rebecca jane, thank you so much. depoty teater oi— rebecca jane, thank you so much. deputy leader of ukip and former star oi— deputy leader of ukip and former star oi tits— deputy leader of ukip and former star of this morning, which we're hearing— star of this morning, which we're hearing is- star of this morning, which we're hearing is potentially for the we're hearing is potentially for tire ae— we're hearing is potentially for the axe. that's— we're hearing is potentially for the axe. that's right . we're hearing is potentially for the axe. that's right. in ecosivei— the axe. that's right. in exclusive in— the axe. that's right. in exclusive in the sunday mirror . exclusive in the sunday mirror. wett— exclusive in the sunday mirror. we-ii dring— exclusive in the sunday mirror. we-it dring yoo— exclusive in the sunday mirror. we'll bring you more from the papers— we'll bring you more from the papers very— we'll bring you more from the papers very shortly. also, we're going— papers very shortly. also, we're going to— papers very shortly. also, we're going to de— papers very shortly. also, we're going to be asking you are harry and going to be asking you are harry ant iiegiran— going to be asking you are harry ant iiegiran on— going to be asking you are harry and meghan on the rocks . we'll and meghan on the rocks. we'll go and meghan on the rocks. we'll 90le— and meghan on the rocks. we'll golia to— and meghan on the rocks. we'll golia to tint— and meghan on the rocks. we'll golla to find out— and meghan on the rocks. we'll go la to find out the

afford not to. and that's what nodoty— afford not to. and that's what nodoty can— afford not to. and that's what nobody can afford to. not tore— nobody can afford to. not you're listening— nobody can afford to. not you're listening to- nobody can afford to. not you're listening to .- nobody can afford to. not

you're listening to . gb news. you're listening to. gb news. well, we've got tomorrow's front pages. that's the sunday papers eagerly anticipate covid at exactly 1030 sharp. that's seven minutes from now. and we're eagerly interested in what the mail on sunday have to say. after all, it was phillip schofield that lied to them. it was that paper that he gave his statement to his grovelling apology, plus the sun on sunday. who do pack a lot of showbiz punch. but i've got to say, props to the sunday mirror and they are leading with an astonishing headline, which is itv are now set to axe this morning. given the phillip schofield drama that's right. one of the most valuable franchises in tv could be for the chop. richard says hi, mark. fake show, fake presenters. good riddance. hope you're talking about this morning and not mark dolan tonight. it's time now for us news with the queen of american showbiz royal and political reporting. the only schofield with a telly gig at the moment, kinsey schofield. hi, kinsey . you are so savage.

hi, kinsey. you are so savage. great show today. but but i ton-t— great show today. but but i ton-t mint— great show today. but but i don't think he's— great show today. but but i don't think he's talking about yoo.— don't think he's talking about yoo. nap,— don't think he's talking about yoo. nap, voo— don't think he's talking about you. mark, you are definitely tire— you. mark, you are definitely tire opposite— you. mark, you are definitely the opposite of— you. mark, you are definitely the opposite of fake. well i trope— the opposite of fake. well i trope — the opposite of fake. well i trope ano— the opposite of fake. well i hope so. ' “t: ”iii: the opposite of fake. well i hope so. ' ii the opposite of fake. well i hope so. ' the opposite of fake. well i- hope so. and we're warts and all here on gb news and mark dolan tonight. listen i understand that this story, even reached america. yes that this story, even reached america . yes. i mean, i do think america. yes. i mean, i do think mat— america. yes. i mean, i do think that mis— america. yes. i mean, i do think that this morning— america. yes. i mean, i do think that this morning is— america. yes. i mean, i do think that this morning is an- 'i yes. i mean, i do think that this morning is an iconic orang— that this morning is an iconic rang, wiricir— that this morning is an iconic brand, which is— that this morning is an iconic brand, which is why the idea of it not— brand, which is why the idea of it not existing— brand, which is why the idea of it not existing is— brand, which is why the idea of it not existing is so surprising to me— it not existing is so surprising to dot— it not existing is so surprising to me. but people are going to trave— to me. but people are going to have a— to me. but people are going to have a very— to me. but people are going to have a very hard— to me. but people are going to have a very hard time believing mat— have a very hard time believing that ooiiy— have a very hard time believing that holly didn't— have a very hard time believing that holly didn't know about tits— that holly didn't know about this .— that holly didn't know about this , especially— that holly didn't know about this , especially when this is this, especially when this is a conversation— this, especially when this is a conversation and— this, especially when this is a conversation and whispers in the states— conversation and whispers in the states adoot— conversation and whispers in the states about phillip schofield's reiationsirip— states about phillip schofield's relationship with— states about phillip schofield's relationship with co—workers ando— relationship with co—workers ant, yoo — relationship with co—workers ant, yoo trow— relationship with co—workers and, you know, ladies , see, and, you know, ladies, see, reten— and, you know, ladies, see, peter, they've— and, you know, ladies, see, peter, they've mentioned some trey-ve— peter, they've mentioned some they've mentioned some pretty iegitimate— they've mentioned some pretty legitimate arguments . i can't legitimate arguments. i can't say— legitimate arguments. i can't say everything— legitimate arguments. i can't say everything ladies , he said, say everything ladies, he said, decaose— say everything ladies, he said, decaose rm— say everything ladies, he said, because i'm frightened to quite irantiy— because i'm frightened to quite

irantiy. dot— because i'm frightened to quite frankly. but the— because i'm frightened to quite frankly. but the idea of ring,— frankly. but the idea of twitter, there - frankly. but the idea of twitter, there are online sieotirs— twitter, there are online sleuths that _ twitter, there are online sleuths that put together for twitter— sleuths that put together for twitter when _ sleuths that put together for twitter when philip followed certain— twitter when philip followed certain individuals on twitter, wiren— certain individuals on twitter, wiren iiriiip— certain individuals on twitter, when philip started openly engaging— when philip started openly engaging witn— when philip started openly engaging with certain members , engaging with certain members, intivitoais— engaging with certain members, individuals on— engaging with certain members, individuals on twitter , there individuals on twitter, there are individuals on twitter, there oniine— individuals on twitter, there are online sleuths that have put the are online sleuths that have put tire ponie— are online sleuths that have put the puzzle together. and you can see the puzzle together. and you can wren— the puzzle together. and you can see when relationships formed ant— see when relationships formed ant wren— see when relationships formed ant when no— see when relationships formed and when he was— see when relationships formed and when he was comfortable openet— and when he was comfortable openet .— and when he was comfortable opened , engaging with certain opened, engaging with certain intivitoais— opened, engaging with certain individuals and— opened, engaging with certain individuals and that content, it exists— individuals and that content, it exists oot— individuals and that content, it exists out there. _ individuals and that content, it exists out there. and you know, mat-s— exists out there. and you know, tirat-s tire — exists out there. and you know, that's the kind _ exists out there. and you know, that's the kind of— exists out there. and you know, that's the kind of stuff i was going— that's the kind of stuff i was going tmoogir— that's the kind of stuff i was going through over here in la wren— going through over here in la when i— going through over here in la when i was— going through over here in la when i was hearing these whispers.— when i was hearing these wirispers. i— when i was hearing these whispers. i started looking at tireso— whispers. i started looking at tirese diogs— whispers. i started looking at these blogs and— whispers. i started looking at these blogs and seeing a lot of these blogs and seeing a lot of the accusations. _ these blogs and seeing a lot of the accusations. and so it's nort— the accusations. and so it's irart to— the accusations. and so it's hard to believe— the accusations. and so it's hard to believe that holly would trave— hard to believe that holly would have no— hard to believe that holly would have no itea— hard to believe that holly would have no idea and— hard to believe that holly would have no idea and that holly wooit— have no idea and that holly wooit rost— have no idea and that holly would just take— have no idea and that holly would just take this man at his wort— would just take this man at his wort ant— would just take this man at his wort ant not— would just take this man at his word and not sit— would just take this man at his word and not sit back, open up her word and not sit back, open up irer compoter— word and not sit back, open up her computer and— word and not sit back, open up her computer and start investigate— her computer and start investigate some of these ostns— investigate some of these accusations that were being made adoot— accusations that were being made adoot trim. — accusations that were being made about him. well,— accusations that were being made about him. well, yes , we know about him. well, yes, we know adoot— about him. well, yes, we know adoot dig— about him. well, yes, we know adoot dig os— about him. well, yes, we know about big us tv— about him. well, yes, we know about big us tv networks that trave— about big us tv networks that have protected _ about big us tv networks that have protected their big stars decaose— have protected their big stars decaose trey— have protected their big stars because they don't want to tamage— because they don't want to tamage tire— because they don't want to damage the cash cow. but the

trott— damage the cash cow. but the truth comes out in the end. yes . there you go. and there was that brilliant show, the apple tv series, the morning show, covering a similar story. can we talk about harry and meghan now? are they on the rocks? is there trouble in paradise ? you know, trouble in paradise? you know, this is a rumour— trouble in paradise? you know, this is a rumour that's- i“ : 7 you know, this is a rumour that's been circoiating— this is a rumour that's been circulating for— this is a rumour that's been circulating for a— this is a rumour that's been circulating for a few months ant— circulating for a few months now. and again— circulating for a few months now. and again with philip scope rioto— now. and again with philip scope nag, i— now. and again with philip scope nag, i wood— now. and again with philip scope field, i would say— now. and again with philip scope field, i would say where there is smote— field, i would say where there is smote or— field, i would say where there is smoke or there— field, i would say where there is smoke or there is fire, i do mint— is smoke or there is fire, i do tirint irrat— is smoke or there is fire, i do think that there _ is smoke or there is fire, i do think that there is some unease gag,— think that there is some unease gag, sm— think that there is some unease there, some frustration there. dot— there, some frustration there. dot toot— there, some frustration there. dot toot .— there, some frustration there. but look , they— there, some frustration there. but look , they have been through but look, they have been through so mocir— but look, they have been through so mocir .— but look, they have been through so mocir . do— but look, they have been through so mocir . do i— but look, they have been through so much. do i think but look, they have been through so much . do i think that they're so much. do i think that they're on tire— so much. do i think that they're on tire verge— so much. do i think that they're on the verge of— so much. do i think that they're on the verge of divorce or something— on the verge of divorce or something dramatic like that? i ton-t,— something dramatic like that? i don't, because— something dramatic like that? i don't, because look at everything— don't, because look at everything harry has sacrificed for everything harry has sacrificed ior iiegiran— everything harry has sacrificed for meghan markle . i think that for meghan markle. i think that ire-s— for meghan markle. i think that ire-s going— for meghan markle. i think that ire-s going to— for meghan markle. i think that ire-s going to to— for meghan markle. i think that he's going to do whatever it takes— he's going to do whatever it takes to— he's going to do whatever it takes to keep— he's going to do whatever it takes to keep her happy. the notion— takes to keep her happy. the prodiem is— takes to keep her happy. the problem is she's— takes to keep her happy. the problem is she's always moving the problem is she's always moving tire goatpost— problem is she's always moving the goalpost. you— problem is she's always moving the goalpost. you know , i'll be the goalpost. you know, i'll be happy— the goalpost. you know, i'll be happy wren— the goalpost. you know, i'll be happy when we— the goalpost. you know, i'll be happy when we leave the uk. marry— happy when we leave the uk. nany moves— happy when we leave the uk. harry moves her— happy when we leave the uk. harry moves her to canada. i'm not— harry moves her to canada. i'm not nappy— harry moves her to canada. i'm not happy rere— harry moves her to canada. i'm not happy here and i'm worried adoot— not happy here and i'm worried adoot covid. — not happy here and i'm worried about covid. harry moves her to caiiiornia— about covid. harry moves her to caiiiornia .— about covid. harry moves her to california . she— about covid. harry moves her to california . she is— about covid. harry moves her to california . she is always california. she is always changing— california. she is always ciranging .— california. she is always changing , moving her mind,

california. she is always changing, moving her mind, and sire-s— changing, moving her mind, and sire-s aiways— changing, moving her mind, and she's always making it more tiiiicoit— she's always making it more difficult out— she's always making it more difficult out for— she's always making it more difficult out for him to feel tite— difficult out for him to feel iite ire-s— difficult out for him to feel like he's accomplished something and like he's accomplished something ant mate— like he's accomplished something ant mate ner— like he's accomplished something and made her happy. so i think mat— and made her happy. so i think that it— and made her happy. so i think that it might— and made her happy. so i think that it might be— and made her happy. so i think that it might be inevitable. but has that it might be inevitable. but iras sire— that it might be inevitable. but iras sire deen— that it might be inevitable. but has she been has— that it might be inevitable. but has she been has she gotten everything— has she been has she gotten everytiring oot— has she been has she gotten everything out of harry that she cn— everything out of harry that she on— everything out of harry that she can? oh, definitely not. deiiniteiy— can? oh, definitely not. definitely not- can? oh, definitely not. definitely not yet. can they go the distance— definitely not yet. can they go the distance ? _ definitely not yet. can they go the distance ? i— definitely not yet. can they go the distance ? titit“ c you know, the distance? i don't. you know, yoo— the distance? i don't. you know, yoo win— the distance? i don't. you know, yoo win tire— the distance? i don't. you know, can you win the entire- the distance? titi“ c you know, can you win the entire not only is tire— can you win the entire not only is tire entire— can you win the entire not only is the entire world— can you win the entire not only is the entire world just kind of trem— is the entire world just kind of them, i— is the entire world just kind of over them, i think— is the entire world just kind of over them, i think that they were shocked— over them, i think that they were shocked at— over them, i think that they were shocked at the reaction to their— were shocked at the reaction to their car— were shocked at the reaction to their car chase— were shocked at the reaction to their car chase statement . i their car chase statement. i mint— their car chase statement. i tirint irrat— their car chase statement. i think that they— their car chase statement. i think that they wanted all of the think that they wanted all of tire sympathy— think that they wanted all of the sympathy and they could not deiieve— the sympathy and they could not barge, i— the sympathy and they could not believe, i think,— the sympathy and they could not believe, i think, that they woke up believe, i think, that they woke op to— believe, i think, that they woke op to tire — believe, i think, that they woke op to tire tact— believe, i think, that they woke up to the fact that people wrt— up to the fact that people weren't really— up to the fact that people weren't really buying it . and weren't really buying it. and peopte— weren't really buying it. and peopte ton-t— weren't really buying it. and people don't really like you. if peopte— people don't really like you. if peopte tite— people don't really like you. if peopte tite yoo,— people don't really like you. if people like you, they are going to de— people like you, they are going to be sympathetic towards you. but to be sympathetic towards you. dot-tact— to be sympathetic towards you. but .fact i people - to be sympathetic towards you. but fact people are over but the fact is, people are over them — but the fact is, people are over them. _constant- them. they're constant complaining- them. they're constant complaining and, you know, when the complaining and, you know, when tire wrote— complaining and, you know, when the whole world _ complaining and, you know, when the whole world is— complaining and, you know, when the whole world is against you, at sm— the whole world is against you, at point— the whole world is against you, at some point do— the whole world is against you, at some point do you start to teet— at some point do you start to ieei tite— at some point do you start to feel like maybe— at some point do you start to feel like maybe we are not? they either— feel like maybe we are not? they eitirer trave— feel like maybe we are not? they either have to— feel like maybe we are not? they either have to change their attitotes— either have to change their attitudes change their strategy,

or trey— attitudes change their strategy, or they trave— attitudes change their strategy, or they have to— attitudes change their strategy, or they have to look at each otter— or they have to look at each other ant— or they have to look at each other and start— or they have to look at each other and start working on themselves— other and start working on themselves from within. and i ton-t— themselves from within. and i ton-t tnow. — themselves from within. and i ton-t know. i— themselves from within. and i don't know. i don't know whether trey-re— don't know. i don't know whether tirey-re op— don't know. i don't know whether tirey-re op tor— don't know. i don't know whether they're up for that. _ don't know. i don't know whether they're up for that. i think. iiegiran— they're up for that. i think. meghan markle thinks she's exactiy— meghan markle thinks she's exactly where— meghan markle thinks she's exactly where she should be and mat— exactly where she should be and that sire-s— exactly where she should be and that she's making— exactly where she should be and that she's making all the right ant— that she's making all the right ant i— that she's making all the right moves. and i would say, look in tire— moves. and i would say, look in tire mirror— moves. and i would say, look in tire .— moves. and i would say, look in the mirror . look— moves. and i would say, look in the mirror . look in— moves. and i would say, look in the mirror. look in the mirror. kinsey.— the mirror. look in the mirror. kinsey. ae— the mirror. look in the mirror. kinsey. tie— the mirror. look in the mirror. kinsey, are the democratic party in the states about to ditch maggie grandpa joe biden oh, my goodness. mark forbes , media ceo goodness. mark forbes, media ceo sieve— goodness. mark forbes, media ceo steve tomes— goodness. mark forbes, media ceo steve forbes says— goodness. mark forbes, media ceo steve forbes says that— g: mark forbes, media ceo steve forbes says that there is no way— steve forbes says that there is no way mat— steve forbes says that there is no way mat roe — steve forbes says that there is no way that joe biden could be the democratic— no way that joe biden could be the democratic candidate solely daset— the democratic candidate solely daset on— the democratic candidate solely daset on tire— the democratic candidate solely based on the government's inadiiity— based on the government's inadiiity to— based on the government's inability to control spending, ongoing— inability to control spending, ongoing negotiate options on the ongoing negotiate options on the on tire— ongoing negotiate options on the on tire tott— ongoing negotiate options on the on the debt ceiling. i mean, he tattoo— on the debt ceiling. i mean, he taitet to— on the debt ceiling. i mean, he talked to fox— on the debt ceiling. i mean, he talked to fox news, which recentiy— talked to fox news, which recently ran— talked to fox news, which recently ran a— talked to fox news, which recently ran a poll that said sore— recently ran a poll that said sore oi— recently ran a poll that said 83% of americans believe the conomy— 83% of americans believe the my is— 83% of americans believe the my is in— 83% of americans believe the economy is in a— 83% of americans believe the economy is in a poor state. and he economy is in a poor state. and ire sait— economy is in a poor state. and ire sait mat— economy is in a poor state. and he said that americans are going to diame— he said that americans are going to diane toe— he said that americans are going to blame joe biden— he said that americans are going to blame joe biden for the conomy— to blame joe biden for the economy and— to blame joe biden for the economy and that democrats are going— economy and that democrats are going to— economy and that democrats are going to trave— economy and that democrats are going to have a— economy and that democrats are going to have a hard time potting— going to have a hard time potting trim— going to have a hard time putting him up as the as the

presitent— putting him up as the as the president candidate solely based on mose— president candidate solely based on those numbers. _ president candidate solely based on those numbers. i mean, this is a— on those numbers. i mean, this is a goy— on those numbers. i mean, this is a goy wiro-s— on those numbers. i mean, this is a goy wiro-s got— on those numbers. i mean, this is a guy who's got plenty of money — is a guy who's got plenty of money oe-s— is a guy who's got plenty of money. he's clearly an expert in it. so— money. he's clearly an expert in it. so im— money. he's clearly an expert in it. so i'm curious— money. he's clearly an expert in it. so i'm curious to— money. he's clearly an expert in it. so i'm curious to see if mat-s— it. so i'm curious to see if tirat-s tire— it. so i'm curious to see if that's the case. - it. so i'm curious to see if that's the case. giia that's the case. kinsey, great to have you back on the show. we'll see you in a week's time. the queen of us, showbiz and royal reporting, kinsey schofield . and so much more to schofield. and so much more to come. we've got tomorrow's papers. i need to reiterate that extraordinary from extraordinary headline from the sunday itv set to axe sunday mirror itv set to axe this morning. that's right. it could be for the chop. we'll get more on that shortly . some more on that shortly. some strong emails coming in on in relation to phillip schofield and says, hi, mark. i'm no fan of philip or holly, but i deplore how gb news and all other media have piled on schofield . he is a tv presenter, schofield. he is a tv presenter, not what the prime minister as a viewer, i have no interest in his personal life , though i do his personal life, though i do have a great sympathy for his wife and daughters who are the only people should be only people who should be offended. got the papers offended. we've got the papers next. headlines to come. next. massive headlines to come. it's all about schofield and don't anywhere

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people's champion . fair play to people's champion. fair play to the people's champion. fair play to tire oontay— people's champion. fair play to the sunday mirror— people's champion. fair play to the sunday mirror for- i“ ti“ fair play to the sunday mirror for their excosivei— the sunday mirror for their exclusive itv— the sunday mirror for their exclusive itv set to axe this morning. — exclusive itv set to axe this morning. dot— exclusive itv set to axe this morning. but wait- exclusive itv set to axe this morning. c c cc morning. but wait till you hear the front page of the mail on . the front page of the mail on. sunday team, get rid of all the other papers. just get me the mail on sunday please, because this is extraordinary. and there's your headline, a headune there's your headline, a headline that obviously destroys a and potentially huge a career and potentially huge damage to itv . schofield lover damage to itv. schofield lover was just 15 when they met staff fear for future of this morning as itv bosses face questions over what they knew about schofield's affair, philip's schofield's affair, philip's schofield's lover was just 15 years of age , writes katie hind years of age, writes katie hind andian years of age, writes katie hind and ian gallagher. katie hind has been on this story for weeks now , was just 15 when they met now, was just 15 when they met at a at a particular on a

particular occasion . the veteran particular occasion. the veteran tv presenter was giving a theatre school , and that is when theatre school, and that is when schofield met this 15 year old. at the time, the schoolboy asked schofield for a job and schofield for a job and schofield arranged for an interview for him. it to led a position as an itv production assistant when he turned 18, some time afterwards, the affair began when? tonight, schofield right. the mail on sunday faces career ruin his this morning co—presenter holly willoughby told of her devastation on when she discovered he had lied to her about the relationship . that her about the relationship. that headuneis. her about the relationship. that headline is . schofield lover was headline is. schofield lover was . just 15 when they met. where does he go from here? where do itv go from that extraordinary story? and i've got no doubt there's more to come. by the way, sunday mirror. well, here is the commercial damage to itv. itv set to axe this morning, say the sunday mirror. clearly

schofield's career is unsalvageable . willoughby unsalvageable. willoughby damaged, but perhaps not fatally. but now one of the most lucrative franchises in tv, a long running hit this morning launched by richard and judy , launched by richard and judy, potentially faces the axe . also, potentially faces the axe. also, another story not schofield related murderer charity boss exposed , the boss of one of the exposed, the boss of one of the princess of wales's charities is a convicted murderer. kate and the killer is the headline . okay the killer is the headline. okay okay. and let's go to the express . and they lead with we express. and they lead with we can cut migration and thrive. and holly , it's been very and holly, it's been very hurtful to find out philip lied . observer next. ministers in bitter fight to halt release of covid secrets. i bet they are. telegraph kyiv sunak asks stores to cap basic food prices is communist britain and the independent revealed three tory

mps claim driving fines on expenses as potential political scandal brewing there. and let's have a look at the star now. we're back to holly and phil. holly, i'm so hurt that phil lied to me. let's get reaction now from my top pundits this evening. i'm delighted to have with me in the studio three people that know the world of tv and journalism very well, tv personality and presenter ingrid tarrant, author and journalist this morning, regular peter lloyd and journalist and deputy editor of conservative home, a regular in the tv studios , henry regular in the tv studios, henry hill . folks, massive story , hill. folks, massive story, front page of the mail on sunday, schofield lover was just 15 when they met. your reaction , peter lloyd where do we go from here? it's interesting to see how this story is playing out because it's unfolding incrementally very, very, very slowly, almost little too slowly for my liking . and from what

for my liking. and from what i onterstani— for my liking. and from what i understand, the— for my liking. and from what i understand, the lover- c “t; and from what i understand, the lover wasn't 15 when— understand, the lover wasn't 15 when iiriiiip— understand, the lover wasn't 15 when phillip schofield first met trim.— when phillip schofield first met trim. to— when phillip schofield first met trim. to was— when phillip schofield first met him. he was considerably younger man— him. he was considerably younger than that — him. he was considerably younger tiran that so— him. he was considerably younger than that. so you— him. he was considerably younger than that. so you can- him. he was considerably younger than that. i“ than that. so you can test this story on the part of katie hind in the mail on sunday. you think that this young man, who we cannot name was was less than 15 years of age? oh, yeah. and i think that they know that. but i think that they know that. but i think what they're having- think what they're having to do is trey-re— think what they're having to do is they're having _ think what they're having to do is they're having to play very, very— is they're having to play very, very careioity. — is they're having to play very, very carefully. ' iti is they're having to play very, very carefully. t: “t; very carefully. are they dipping their toe in the water of this story? so they're kind of like siowiy— story? so they're kind of like stowiy wetging— i; 7 so they're kind of like slowly wedging the ”; 7 so they're kind of like slowly wedging the story open. ant— slowly wedging the story open. ant i— slowly wedging the story open. ant i mint— slowly wedging the story open. and i think obviously, there's a lot and i think obviously, there's a iotliawyers— and i think obviously, there's a lot lawyers involved and lot of lawyers involved and tirere-s— lot of lawyers involved and there's-money- lot of lawyers involved and- there's-money involved. there's a lot of money involved. iiriiip— there's a lot of money involved. iiriiip-is— there's a lot of money involved. iiriiip-is very- philip schofield is very titigioos. — philip schofield is very litigious. .i- philip schofield is very litigious. i think they're litigious. so i think they're very,— litigious. so i think they're very,-careful- litigious. so i think they're. very,-careful-what very, very careful about what trey-re— very, very careful about what tirey-re—dot- very, very careful about whati they're _ but what they're trying to say. but what reaerts— they're trying to say. but what readers should— they're trying to say. but what readers should read between the tines— readers should read between the tines witn— readers should read between the lines with this— readers should read between the lines with this headline , but lines with this headline, but arso— lines with this headline, but aiso tire— lines with this headline, but also the fact— lines with this headline, but also the fact that they met when he also the fact that they met when ire was— also the fact that they met when ire 15, — also the fact that they met when ire 15, is,— also the fact that they met when he was 15, 18, and— also the fact that they met when he was 15, 18, and schofield was he was 15, 18, and schofield was ire was— he was 15, 18, and schofield was he was basically— he was 15, 18, and schofield was he was basically doing a kind of presentation— he was basically doing a kind of presentation at— he was basically doing a kind of presentation at a— he was basically doing a kind of presentation at a theatre scirooi. — presentation at a theatre school. so. _ presentation at a theatre school. so. so- presentation at a theatre school. c school. so. so philip was they've encountered he's encountered this young man at 15

and schofield was what in his 40s, philip older, philip was the patron of a theatre company called which is called two—faced, which is ironic, which is very appropriate. and that is where trey— appropriate. and that is where they iirst— appropriate. and that is where they first met.— appropriate. and that is where they first met. and— and that is where they first met. and there is pirotograpiric— they first met. and there is photographic evidence that show that tire — photographic evidence that show that the person _ photographic evidence that show that the person involved , the that the person involved, the warm,— that the person involved, the harm, was— that the person involved, the victim, was clearly not 15. so its— victim, was clearly not 15. so its yoo — victim, was clearly not 15. so its, yoo trow— victim, was clearly not 15. so it's, you know, it's- victim, was clearly not 15. so it's, you know, it's still a tittie— it's, you know, it's still a little frustrating for me that mis— little frustrating for me that this story— little frustrating for me that this story has— little frustrating for me that this story has been floating aroont— this story has been floating around as an— this story has been floating around as an open secret for a tong— around as an open secret for a tong time.— around as an open secret for a tong time. ant— around as an open secret for a long time. and still journalists aront— long time. and still journalists aren-t grasping— long time. and still journalists aren't grasping the nettle. they-re— aren't grasping the nettle. iirey-re not— aren't grasping the nettle. they're not really being. ' ”ti they're not really being. are inev— they're not really being. are tney airaio— they're not really being. are they afraid of— they're not really being. are they afraid of being- they're not really being. are they afraid of being sued? i think they are. and i think tirere— think they are. and i think tirere aiso— think they are. and i think there also may— think they are. and i think there also may be aware that the aotience— there also may be aware that the aotience is— there also may be aware that the audience is their— there also may be aware that the audience is their readership, isn-t— audience is their readership, isn-t goite— audience is their readership, isn't quite ready— audience is their readership, isn't quite ready for the full trotir. — isn't quite ready for the full trotir. dot— isn't quite ready for the full trotir. dot i— isn't quite ready for the full truth. but i find— isn't quite ready for the full truth. but i find that really annoying— truth. but i find that really annoying because like you said carrier.— annoying because like you said eartienltiris— annoying because like you said earlier,.this-a- annoying because like you said earlier, this a straight earlier, if this were a straight guy— earlier, if this were a straight goy ant— earlier, if this were a straight goy ant a— earlier, if this were a straight goy ant a yoong— earlier, if this were a straight guy and a young girl, it would be_different. - guy and a young girl, it wouldi be_different. well, be completely different. well, you be completely different. well, yoo-an— be completely different. well, you an unapologetic hack , you are an unapologetic hack, henry . you're a famous, famous henry. you're a famous, famous scribbler . henry. you're a famous, famous scribbler. normally in the corridors of power in westminster . corridors of power in westminster. but do you think this story has a ways to go? yeah, almost certainly. you talk

to anybody who's— yeah, almost certainly. you talk to anybody who's who - v/tirit“ i you talk to anybody who's who knows about it ant— to anybody who's who knows about it ant trey-re— to anybody who's who knows about it and they're all— to anybody who's who knows about it and they're all saying , to anybody who's who knows about it and they're all saying, is mis— it and they're all saying, is this is— it and they're all saying, is this is this— it and they're all saying, is this is this it?— it and they're all saying, is this is this it? is- it and they're all saying, is this is this it? is this all mat-s— this is this it? is this all tirat-s oot— this is this it? is this all that's out today? obviously, its— that's out today? obviously, it-s trow— that's out today? obviously, is know dig— that's out today? obviously, is know dig .— that's out today? obviously, it's know big, but it does sound tite— it's know big, but it does sound iite tirere-s— it's know big, but it does sound like there's more— it's know big, but it does sound like there's more to go and it tire— like there's more to go and it raises the whatever the raises the even whatever the actoai— raises the even whatever the actoai age— raises the even whatever the actoai age is— raises the even whatever the actoai age is .— raises the even whatever the actual age is , it— raises the even whatever the actual age is , it raises serious actual age is, it raises serious goestions— actual age is, it raises serious questions because journalism um and questions because journalism um ant sirowdiz— questions because journalism um ant sirowdiz are— questions because journalism um and showbiz are industries where you and showbiz are industries where yoo otter— and showbiz are industries where yoo oiten to— and showbiz are industries where you often do have— and showbiz are industries where you often do have a much kind of droater— you often do have a much kind of droater range— you often do have a much kind of broader range age— you often do have a much kind of broader range age range in terms of broader range age range in terms oi peopte— broader range age range in terms oi peopte mat— broader range age range in terms of people that you— broader range age range in terms of people that you meet professionally- of people that you meet professionally than in a normal ottice— professionally than in a normal office especially,— professionally than in a normal office especially, you know, tomor— office especially, you know, junior journalists , people juniorjournalists, people working— juniorjournalists, people working on— juniorjournalists, people working on shows, work exeipence— working on shows, work exeipence .— working on shows, work experience , runners, work experience, runners, work exeipence— experience, runners, work experience and - experience, runners, work experience and runners . and so experience and runners. and so yoo— experience and runners. and so yoo to— experience and runners. and so yoo to nect— experience and runners. and so you do need protections in piece.— you do need protections in pine ant— you do need protections in pine ant i— you do need protections in place. and i think that what mis— place. and i think that what this story— place. and i think that what this story shows— place. and i think that what this story shows is that, you trow— this story shows is that, you. know,-impressionable know, you're an impressionable however— know, you're an impressionable however- are, boy.- know, you're an impressionable however are, boy. and however old you are, boy. and you— however old you are, boy. and yoo want— however old you are, boy. and yoo want to— however old you are, boy. and yoo want to get— however old you are, boy. and you want to get a— however old you are, boy. and you want to get a career in the media— you want to get a career in the motto ant— you want to get a career in the media and some— you want to get a career in the media and some guy helps you out and media and some guy helps you out ant—nect- media and some guy helps you out ant—neet to- media and some guy helps you out ant—neet to de- and then they they need to be detter— and then they they need to be better protections— and then they they need to be better protections in place to mate— better protections in place to make sure that— better protections in place to make sure that someone in a position— make sure that someone in a position oi— make sure that someone in a position of power— make sure that someone in a position of power and trust wiricir— position of power and trust which philip— position of power and trust which philip schofield was, is not—mat- which philip schofield was, is not—that kind- which philip schofield was, is not—that kind of. not able to use that kind of star— not able to use that kind of star power— not able to use that kind of star power to— not able to use that kind of star power to dazzle and inveigie— star power to dazzle and inveigle junior- star power to dazzle and inveigle junior staff. '“t: inveigle junior staff. and even if inveigle junior staff. and even it tits— inveigle junior staff. and even it into is— inveigle junior staff. and even if this is the— inveigle junior staff. and even if this is the only story which some of you doubt,

if this is the only story which some of you doubt , that that's some of you doubt, that that's it, and that there is more to come, you doubt that that's it. but even that story, i think, is because as he's encountered this young man at the age of 15 and then they've had a sexual relationship once the lad has reached adulthood . so that's reached adulthood. so that's already not a great look, is it ? not a great look at all. wirat-s— 7 not a great look at all. what's interesting, i think 15 is wrong— what's interesting, i think 15 is wrong ant— what's interesting, i think 15 is wrong and it's— what's interesting, i think 15 is wrong and it's quite strange. t hey— is wrong and it's quite strange. iirey trave— is wrong and it's quite strange. they have sait— is wrong and it's quite strange. they have said 15.— is wrong and it's quite strange. they have said 15. it's like a statement— they have said 15. it's like a statement of— they have said 15. it's like a statement of fact. if they said he statement of fact. if they said ire was— statement of fact. if they said ire onter— statement of fact. if they said he was under the— statement of fact. if they said he was under the age of 16, then mat— he was under the age of 16, then that ieaves— he was under the age of 16, then that ieaves it— he was under the age of 16, then that leaves it open— he was under the age of 16, then that leaves it open to know 15 ant— that leaves it open to know 15 ant re.— that leaves it open to know 15 ant to. to. — that leaves it open to know 15 ant to. to. so— that leaves it open to know 15 and 14. 13. so that's quite interesting— and 14. 13. so that's quite interesting itself. i'd love to trow— interesting itself. i'd love to see how that— interesting itself. i'd love to see how that plays out. but yes, if see how that plays out. but yes, it tire— see how that plays out. but yes, if the relationship— see how that plays out. but yes, if the relationship didn't or it titn-t— if the relationship didn't or it didn't become— if the relationship didn't or it didn't become a— if the relationship didn't or it didn't become a relationship ontii— didn't become a relationship ontii ire— didn't become a relationship until he was— didn't become a relationship until he was of— didn't become a relationship until he was of age, it just smts— until he was of age, it just smts oi— until he was of age, it just smacks of grooming. in the meantime— smacks of grooming. in the meantime .— smacks of grooming. in the meantime . so— smacks of grooming. in the meantime . so it's not a good meantime. so it's not a good toot— meantime. so it's not a good toot .— meantime. so it's not a good toot . can— meantime. so it's not a good toot . can yoo— meantime. so it's not a good look . can you really say that? look. can you really say that? i look. can you really say that? i mean— look. can you really say that? i tney— look. can you really say that? i mean, they meet— look. can you really say that? i mean, they meet at- look. can you really say that? i mean, they meet at a- look. can you really say that? i mean, they meet at a theatre school and then well, you read here. yes. but it was the promise— here. yes. but it was the promise oi— ”ti yes. but it was the promise of getting a job. this boy— promise of getting a job. this doy wanted— promise of getting a job. this boy wanted to _ promise of getting a job. this boy wanted to get into

television _ boy wanted to get into television and phillips said, yes:— television and phillips said, yes tit— television and phillips said, yes to to— television and phillips said, yes, i'll do it.— television and phillips said, yes, i'll do it. and without i ton-t— yes, i'll do it. and without i ton-t want— yes, i'll do it. and without i don't want to _ yes, i'll do it. and without i don't want to explode it. actoaiiy.— don't want to explode it. actually, do _ don't want to explode it. actually, do you know something deiore— actually, do you know something before before _ actually, do you know something before before i— actually, do you know something before before i say— actually, do you know something before before i say what i'm going— before before i say what i'm going to— before before i say what i'm going to say.— before before i say what i'm going to say. i— before before i say what i'm going to say, i just want to say mat— going to say, i just want to say that i— going to say, i just want to say that i mint— going to say, i just want to say that i think this— going to say, i just want to say that i think this is— going to say, i just want to say that i think this is terribly, terridiy— that i think this is terribly, terribly sad— that i think this is terribly, terribly sad because because if he terribly sad because because if ire was— terribly sad because because if ire oi— terribly sad because because if ire oi age— terribly sad because because if he was of age and— terribly sad because because if he was of age and it was consensual, as- he was of age and it was consensual, as they're saying. voong— consensual, as they're saying. voong voo— consensual, as they're saying. young you know,— consensual, as they're saying. young you know, so be it. you know— young you know, so be it. you know mat— young you know, so be it. you know that is— young you know, so be it. you know that is something for iiriiip— know that is something for iiriiip to— know that is something for philip to sort— know that is something for philip to sort out with his own tamiiy— philip to sort out with his own iamiiy ant— philip to sort out with his own family and everything. it's none of family and everything. it's none oi oor— family and everything. it's none of our business,— family and everything. it's none of our business, really. and i post— of our business, really. and i post teet— of our business, really. and i just feel terribly— of our business, really. and i just feel terribly sorry for adsoioteiy— just feel terribly sorry for absolutely everybody involved in tits.— absolutely everybody involved in tits-wirat— absolutely everybody involved in this.-what-now- absolutely everybody involved in this. what now going to absolutely everybody involved in this next what now going to absolutely everybody involved in this next is �*iat now going to absolutely everybody involved in this next is going now going to absolutely everybody involved in this next is going to ow going to absolutely everybody involved in this next is going to be going to absolutely everybody involved in this next is going to be reallyto say next is going to be really irorridie— say next is going to be really horrible because— say next is going to be really horrible because actually horrible because it's actually in iiriiip-s— horrible because it's actually in philip's position where he was admired— in philip's position where he was admired by— in philip's position where he was admired by this young boy. ant— was admired by this young boy. ant trey— was admired by this young boy. ant they to. — was admired by this young boy. and they do. there are a lot of sycophants— and they do. there are a lot of sycopirants oot— and they do. there are a lot of sycophants out there . is that sycophants out there. it is that tiring— sycophants out there. it is that same thing that— sycophants out there. it is that same thing that we have had sort of , same thing that we have had sort oi . yoo— same thing that we have had sort oi . yoo trow— same thing that we have had sort of , you know, metoo and of, you know, metoo and whatever — of, you know, metoo and whatever. it's— of, you know, metoo and whatever. it's apart from the tact— whatever. it's apart from the iact tits— whatever. it's apart from the iact this is— whatever. it's apart from the fact this is a— whatever. it's apart from the fact this is a homosexual relationship— fact this is a homosexual relationship and not sort of i'm taking— relationship and not sort of i'm tatting adoot— relationship and not sort of i'm talking about weinstein, so i'm diowing— talking about weinstein, so i'm diowing it.— talking about weinstein, so i'm diowing it. im— talking about weinstein, so i'm blowing it. i'm making it far, far worse . but— blowing it. i'm making it far, far worse . but the- blowing it. i'm making it far, far worse . far worse. but the principle is the same people said they were friends and then it became more serious. ithink friends and then it became more serious. i think we can imply

mat— serious. i think we can imply that mat— serious. i think we can imply that that was— serious. i think we can imply that that was a— serious. i think we can imply that that was a full- that that was a full relationship, can't we? oh teiiniteiy. — relationship, can't we? oh definitely. i— relationship, can't we? oh definitely. titi“ c “

tite— afternoon and it'll be kind of tine-promi- afternoon and it'll be kind of like brunch thing. you like a boozy brunch thing. you trow— like a boozy brunch thing. you know. it— like a boozy brunch thing. you know, i'd watch— like a boozy brunch thing. you know, i'd watch that. no, i wooit— know, i'd watch that. no, i wooitlmore— know, i'd watch that. no, i would more than happy would be more than happy for tits— would be more than happy for tits-to— would be more than happy for this-to.axed.- would be more than happy for this-to.axed. i- would be more than happy for. this-to.axed. i think this morning to be axed. i think it's this morning to be axed. i think its prodadiy— this morning to be axed. i think it's probably time— this morning to be axed. i think it's probably time a it's probably time for a schedule. _ it's probably time for a schedule. shake—up it's schedule. shake—up i think it's prodadiy— schedule. shake—up i think it's probably-formula- schedule. shake—up i think it's probably formula now. probably a tired formula now. it's probably a tired formula now. its never— probably a tired formula now. it's never been— probably a tired formula now. it's never been as good as it wren— it's never been as good as it was when richard and judy presentet— was when richard and judy presented.in_ was when richard and judy presented in liverpool, my presented it in liverpool, my nome— presented it in liverpool, my irome city.— presented it in liverpool, my home city. yeah,— presented it in liverpool, my home city. yeah, yeah. but they were pioneers, those two. were true pioneers, those two. well, to say just very well, i'd love to say just very drieiiy— well, i'd love to say just very drieiiy-oniy- well, i'd love to say just very briefly,-only the- well, i'd love to say just very briefly, only the tip briefly, is this is only the tip of briefly, is this is only the tip oi-icederg— briefly, is this is only the tip of-iceberg and- briefly, is this is only the tip of iceberg and for me, the of the iceberg and for me, the isso— of the iceberg and for me, the is— of the iceberg and for me, the is a— of the iceberg and for me, the issue is a culture— of the iceberg and for me, the issue is a culture issue at itv. i issue is a culture issue at itv. iwas— issue is a culture issue at itv. ivvas i— issue is a culture issue at itv. i was i tweeted— issue is a culture issue at itv. i was i tweeted the other day, i was-ten— i was i tweeted the other day, i was-ten-ago.- i was i tweeted the other day, i was-ten-ago. i- i was i tweeted the other day, i was-ten-ago, i was| was about ten years ago, i was at tire— was about ten years ago, i was at the recording _ was about ten years ago, i was at the recording of— was about ten years ago, i was at the recording of show at the recording of a show cattet— at the recording of a show called boyzone- at the recording of a show called boyzone 20. and it was called boyzone at 20. and it was presentet— called boyzone at 20. and it was presentet dy— called boyzone at 20. and it was presented by dannii minogue all the presented by dannii minogue all tire goot— presented by dannii minogue all tire goot-ton-t— presented by dannii minogue all the good don't you? that the good gigs, don't you? that was-goot— the good gigs, don't you? that was-goot-dot- the good gigs, don't you? that was-good-but i- the good gigs, don't you? that was good but i love was not a good gig, but i love dannii— was not a good gig, but i love dannii-dot— was not a good gig, but i love dannii-but that- was not a good gig, but i love dannii but that was was not a good gig, but i love. dannii-but that was the dannii minogue. but that was the my— dannii minogue. but that was the oniy tire— dannii minogue. but that was the oniy tire goot— dannii minogue. but that was the only the good bit.— dannii minogue. but that was the only the good bit. but the warm up only the good bit. but the warm op—aotience- only the good bit. but the warm- up_audience members up act had male audience members stoni— up act had male audience members stand-.— up act had male audience members stant-. two— up act had male audience members stant-. two oi— up act had male audience members stand-. two of them- stand up, strip. two of them entet— stand up, strip. two of them entet op— stand up, strip. two of them ended up completely naked and tirere— ended up completely naked and tirere were— ended up completely naked and there were children in the aoitence — there were children in the aoitence i— there were children in the audience. i complained to itv at the audience. i complained to itv at tire time.— audience. i complained to itv at tire time. they— audience. i complained to itv at the time. they ignored me. then years— the time. they ignored me. then years tater.— the time. they ignored me. then years tater. i— the time. they ignored me. then years later, i got— the time. they ignored me. then years later, i got a— the time. they ignored me. then years later, i got a contacted trom— years later, i got a contacted from somebody— years later, i got a contacted from somebody at emmerdale , a from somebody at emmerdale, a memori— from somebody at emmerdale, a memerd oi— from somebody at emmerdale, a member of the— from somebody at emmerdale, a member of the crew. they wrote to me— member of the crew. they wrote to me saying.— member of the crew. they wrote to me saying, we've got an all iemaie— to me saying, we've got an all female management team. there's

a cropey— female management team. there's a cropey tren— female management team. there's a cropey iren party— female management team. there's a gropey hen party vibe that goes— a gropey hen party vibe that goes on— a gropey hen party vibe that goes on on this— a gropey hen party vibe that goes on on this show all the time— goes on on this show all the time .— goes on on this show all the time . a— goes on on this show all the time . a iot— goes on on this show all the time . a lot of— goes on on this show all the time . a lot of actors are forced time. a lot of actors are forced to to— time. a lot of actors are forced to to nanot— time. a lot of actors are forced to do naked scenes— time. a lot of actors are forced to do naked scenes . this is a to do naked scenes. this is a snow— to do naked scenes. this is a sirow mat— to do naked scenes. this is a show that goes— to do naked scenes. this is a show that goes out at 7:30 pm. when— show that goes out at 7:30 pm. when mners— show that goes out at 7:30 pm. when miners watch— show that goes out at 7:30 pm. when miners watch it. there is something— when miners watch it. there is something wrong— when miners watch it. there is something wrong at itv . i have something wrong at itv. i have deen— something wrong at itv. i have deen trying— something wrong at itv. i have deen trying to— something wrong at itv. i have been trying to explode this story— been trying to explode this story tor— been trying to explode this story for years— been trying to explode this story for years and they have got— story for years and they have got soci— story for years and they have got socir goot— story for years and they have got such good lawyers that up ontii— got such good lawyers that up ontii tire— got such good lawyers that up until the money— got such good lawyers that up until the money up until now, trey-ve— until the money up until now, they've managed— until the money up until now, they've managed to suppress it. art— they've managed to suppress it. art tite— they've managed to suppress it. art iite i— they've managed to suppress it. and like i said— they've managed to suppress it. and like i said earlier, thank cot— and like i said earlier, thank cot tor— and like i said earlier, thank god for twitter— and like i said earlier, thank god for twitter because it's iinaiiy— god for twitter because it's finally unveiled— god for twitter because it's finally unveiled it. but serioosiy— finally unveiled it. but seriously, there is a big coitore— seriously, there is a big culture of— seriously, there is a big culture of inappropriate activity— culture of inappropriate activity arnie- culture of inappropriate activity arnie that happens at iiv— activity arnie that happens at my wett— activity arnie that happens at my war, oi— activity arnie that happens at itv. well, of course , you know, itv. well, of course, you know, iiv— itv. well, of course, you know, to wood— itv. well, of course, you know, itv would push _ itv. well, of course, you know, itv would push back on that. move— itv would push back on that. move not— itv would push back on that. they're not here— itv would push back on that. they're not here to— itv would push back on that. they're not here to defend themselves. itv can sue me, and i'm themselves. itv can sue me, and in more— themselves. itv can sue me, and in tran— themselves. itv can sue me, and i'm more than happy— themselves. itv can sue me, and i'm more than happy to- itv can sue me, and i'm more than happy to be in a coon— i'm more than happy to be in a coort oi— i'm more than happy to be in a court of-tonight. - i'm more than happy to be in a court of-tonight. i- i'm more than happy to be in a court of tonight. i“ c court of law tonight. i haven't. i court of law tonight. i haven't. i raven-t.— court of law tonight. i haven't. i haven't. that's everyone. yeah. them to the test. yeah. you got them to the test. voo— yeah. you got them to the test. you ton-t— yeah. you got them to the test. you toot-me.— yeah. you got them to the test. you don't-me. sue.- yeah. you got them to the test. you don't me. sue. this guy? you don't sue me. sue. this guy? yeah, i think i'll stand with you. there yeah, i think i'll stand with you . there are parallels with you. there are parallels with poiitics— you. there are parallels with poiitics. i— you. there are parallels with politics. i won't— there are parallels with politics. i won't do, holly. itaraiieis— politics. i won't do, holly. parallels with— politics. i won't do, holly. parallels with politics, - politics. i won't do, holly. parallels with politics, where we've seen politicians protected because of their status. has this happened with schofield, do you think ? well, look, we can't

you think? well, look, we can't we-say— you think? well, look, we can't we-say tor— you think? well, look, we can't we-say for sure,- you think? well, look, we can't we-say for sure, but- “7 well, look, we can't we say for sure, but you we can't say for sure, but you can definitely— we can't say for sure, but you can definitely see— we can't say for sure, but you can definitely see how would can definitely see how it would trave— can definitely see how it would have nappenet.— can definitely see how it would have happened. you've got have happened. right. you've got this toge— have happened. right. you've got this iroge snow— have happened. right. you've got this huge show that brings in a lot this huge show that brings in a tot oi— this huge show that brings in a tot oi — this huge show that brings in a lot of views-a— this huge show that brings in a lot of views. a star. he's lot of views. he's a star. he's got— lot of views. he's a star. he's got tots— lot of views. he's a star. he's got tots oi— lot of views. he's a star. he's got lots of fans. _ lot of views. he's a star. he's got lots of fans. you know, who wants— got lots of fans. you know, who wants to— got lots of fans. you know, who wants to de— got lots of fans. you know, who wants to be the _ got lots of fans. you know, who wants to be the manager? that mat— wants to be the manager? that tirat roins— wants to be the manager? that that ruins that,— wants to be the manager? that that ruins that, right? who goes to-management- that ruins that, right? who goes to management and to the senior management and says.— to the senior management and says. actoaiiy.— to the senior management and says, actually, we're going to trave— says, actually, we're going to nave-titt— says, actually, we're going to have i kill - goose - says, actually, we're going to have kill goose that lays says, actually, we're going to hav goldenl goose that lays says, actually, we're going to hav golden eggs,]oose that lays says, actually, we're going to hav golden eggs, right? hat lays says, actually, we're going to hav golden eggs, right? no lays says, actually, we're going to hav golden eggs, right? no one. the golden eggs, right? no one no—to— the golden eggs, right? no one no—to say— the golden eggs, right? no one no—to say mat.- the golden eggs, right? no one no-to say that. so. the golden eggs, right? no one no to say that. so we no one wants to say that. so we ton-t— no one wants to say that. so we ton-t tnow. — no one wants to say that. so we don't know. but— no one wants to say that. so we don't know. but as— no one wants to say that. so we don't know. but as so often with mis— don't know. but as so often with tits—easier- don't know. but as so often with this,_easier for. this, it's very often easier for peopte— this, it's very often easier for peopte-rost— this, it's very often easier for peoptelrost not— this, it's very often easier for people just not quite put all people to just not quite put all of people to just not quite put all oi tire— people to just not quite put all oi tire rigsaw— people to just not quite put all of the jigsaw together. just ieave— of the jigsaw together. just leavelcouple_ of the jigsaw together. just leavelcouple of- of the jigsaw together. just leave couple of pieces the leave a couple of pieces in the tox— leave a couple of pieces in the dox ant— leave a couple of pieces in the dox ant-de— leave a couple of pieces in the box and-be like,- leave a couple of pieces in the box and be like, no, no, it box and then be like, no, no, it is adoot— box and then be like, no, no, it is adoot mis— box and then be like, no, no, it is about this culture. c c is about this culture. it's like in-poiice— is about this culture. it's like in police force. it's in the police force. it's exactly thing. you exactly the same thing. you know, you just take care to know, it's you just take care to make sure that you don't know just enough action. and just enough to take action. and then you just hope that- then you just hope that you ieave— then you just hope that you leave before _ then you just hope that you leave before it— then you just hope that you leave before it blows up. ti “ ”; leave before it blows up. henry snooio— leave before it blows up. henry snooio tiere— leave before it blows up. henry should there concerns should there be some concerns about schofield's mental health? because upon what we know, because based upon what we know, the law has not been broken. he said it was legal, but unwise , said it was legal, but unwise, as is what he said. we don't have evidence of grooming, but thatis have evidence of grooming, but that is a conclusion some are making. but. but is there a

concern, a duty of care to this human being, as mr motivator called him, the at this moment in time, he's sitting at home and he's thinking about his life and he's thinking about his life and his career. it's all in ruins. do we have to worry about the mental state of this man at this point? and i hate to mention caroline flack, but social media pressure brought her it was a factor that caused to her end her own life . right. to her end her own life. right. okay. do you know— to her end her own life. right. okay. do you know who- ti“r: c right. okay. do you know who ? so sorry. okay. do you know who? so sorry. go okay. do you know who? so sorry. co — okay. do you know who? so sorry. co so— okay. do you know who? so sorry. co so rig,— okay. do you know who? so sorry. go on. so first, i— okay. do you know who? so sorry. go on. so first, i think this mis— go on. so first, i think this this is— go on. so first, i think this this is maybe— go on. so first, i think this this is maybe from writing about mentor— this is maybe from writing about mental health— this is maybe from writing about mental health policy. i think mat— mental health policy. i think that yoo— mental health policy. i think that you really— mental health policy. i think that you really can't use mental treatm— that you really can't use mental ireaitir to— that you really can't use mental health to describe— that you really can't use mental health to describe somebody doing— health to describe somebody being stressed— health to describe somebody being stressed and upset about something— being stressed and upset about something that— being stressed and upset about something that is— being stressed and upset about something that is legitimately stresset— stressed and upsetting. right. i mint—is- stressed and upsetting. right. i mint—is a- stressed and upsetting. right. i mint—is a is- stressed and upsetting. right. i think—is a is a. think mental health is a is a genome— think mental health is a is a genuine problem that people stroggie— genuine problem that people stroggie witn— genuine problem that people struggle with being stressed, opset— struggle with being stressed, opset .— struggle with being stressed, upset , depressed and so struggle with being stressed, upset, depressed and so on, is not— upset, depressed and so on, is not necessariiy— upset, depressed and so on, is not necessarily that if you're if not necessarily that if you're ii yoore — not necessarily that if you're if you're logically responding to stimoii— if you're logically responding to stimuli and— if you're logically responding to stimuli and it's wrong to specoiate— to stimuli and it's wrong to speculate about— to stimuli and it's wrong to speculate about this. right. tite— speculate about this. right. iite tire— speculate about this. right. like the journalistic rules adoot— like the journalistic rules about about— like the journalistic rules about about suicide specifically say mat— about about suicide specifically say that yoo— about about suicide specifically say that you shouldn't attribute soicite— say that you shouldn't attribute soicite to — say that you shouldn't attribute soicite to any— say that you shouldn't attribute suicide to any given cause . so

suicide to any given cause. so i ton-t— suicide to any given cause. so i ton-t mow.— suicide to any given cause. so i don't know. philip— suicide to any given cause. so i don't know. philip schofield oovioosiy.— don't know. philip schofield oovioosiy. i— don't know. philip schofield obviously, i hope that he's tearing— obviously, i hope that he's dealing with— obviously, i hope that he's dealing with this as best he wodoty— dealing with this as best he can. nobody wishes personal misery— can. nobody wishes personal misery on— can. nobody wishes personal misery on do— can. nobody wishes personal misery on do we— can. nobody wishes personal misery on do we have a responsibility- misery on do we have a responsibility in how we discuss this story.— responsibility in how we discuss this story. given— responsibility in how we discuss this story, given the fact that he this story, given the fact that ire cooti— this story, given the fact that ire cooit de — this story, given the fact that he could be in— this story, given the fact that he could be in a— this story, given the fact that he could be in a very dark place at tire— he could be in a very dark place at the moment?— he could be in a very dark place at the moment? _ he could be in a very dark place at the moment? i'm- he could be in a very dark place at the moment? “g at the moment? i'm just thinking of high profile celebrities that have done the unimaginable, like amy winehouse. caroline flack and others. well , amy winehouse and others. well, amy winehouse titn-t— and others. well, amy winehouse didn't—because- and others. well, amy winehouse didn't—because ofi didn't commit suicide because of metia— didn't commit suicide because of metia scrotiny— didn't commit suicide because of media scrutiny and— didn't commit suicide because of media scrutiny and caroline tract.— media scrutiny and caroline tract. i— media scrutiny and caroline flack, i mean,— media scrutiny and caroline flack, i mean, it's an unpopular tiring— flack, i mean, it's an unpopular tiring to— flack, i mean, it's an unpopular tiring to say.— flack, i mean, it's an unpopular tiring to say. dot— flack, i mean, it's an unpopular thing to say, but she killed irerseii— thing to say, but she killed herself-she- thing to say, but she killed herself she violently herself because she violently assaoitet— herself because she violently assaulted—andl herself because she violently. assaulted _and she assaulted her boyfriend and she was assaulted her boyfriend and she tater— assaulted her boyfriend and she tater to— assaulted her boyfriend and she was taken to court— assaulted her boyfriend and she was taken to court and the poiice— was taken to court and the poiice were— was taken to court and the police were going was taken to court and the- police were going-body police were going to show body cam-mats- police were going to show body cam-mats wny- police were going to show body cam _that's why she. cam footage. that's why she killed . well, i would killed herself. well, i would assume. the person assume. but you know the person who should ask that question who you should ask that question to is harvey proctor, because tory mp accused of tory mp falsely accused of having relationship with having a relationship with a minor. right. complete lie. and itniiip— minor. right. complete lie. and philip schofield, there's a scene of this morning when phillip schofield is handing then prime david then prime minister david cameron, a list of names of so—called predators and of course, harvey proctor was completely innocent , but his completely innocent, but his name was on that list. so philip schofield wasn't very worried

about being respectful and mindful of people's mental health and briefly, you don't think that schofield is a victim of homophobia , which has been of homophobia, which has been hinted at by proctor today onune? hinted at by proctor today online? no, not at all. phillip schofield did a kevin spacey . he schofield did a kevin spacey. he tried to hide behind the pride movement to get away with what he's done. fascinating stuff. oore— he's done. fascinating stuff. oore trotir— he's done. fascinating stuff. more truth bombs- : fascinating stuff. more truth bombs from my driitiant— more truth bombs from my brilliant panellist . uh, next, brilliant panellist. uh, next, got— brilliant panellist. uh, next, got i— brilliant panellist. uh, next, we've got i think, the sun on sontay— we've got i think, the sun on oontay to— we've got i think, the sun on sunday to come— we've got i think, the sun on sunday to come and a couple of otter— sunday to come and a couple of other papers— sunday to come and a couple of other papers as— sunday to come and a couple of other papers as well. more on sciroiieit— other papers as well. more on schofield gates,— other papers as well. more on schofield gates, my pundits will be schofield gates, my pundits will de—tireir— schofield gates, my pundits will be _their headline. be nominating their headline heroes— be nominating their headline oeroes ant— be nominating their headline heroes and back page zero. who's going— heroes and back page zero. who's going to— heroes and back page zero. who's going to de— heroes and back page zero. who's going to de soot— heroes and back page zero. who's going to be sued is— heroes and back page zero. who's going to be sued is what i want to mow.— going to be sued is what i want to know. witt— going to be sued is what i want to know. will the— going to be sued is what i want to know. will the truth out? is tirere— to know. will the truth out? is tirere more— to know. will the truth out? is there more to— to know. will the truth out? is there more to come? is there anywhere— there more to come? is there anywirere can— there more to come? is there anywhere can be— there more to come? is there anywhere can be expensive night for anywhere can be expensive night ior iaty— anywhere can be expensive night ior iaty c— anywhere can be expensive night ior iaty c ant— anywhere can be expensive night for lady c and peter lloyd ? for lady c and peter lloyd? arso— for lady c and peter lloyd? aiso. is— for lady c and peter lloyd? also, is there— for lady c and peter lloyd? also, is there any way humanly doct— also, is there any way humanly tact tor— also, is there any way humanly back for schofield— also, is there any way humanly back for schofield ? would you back for schofield? would you watch— back for schofield? would you watcir irim — back for schofield? would you watch him again— back for schofield? would you watch him again on tv? all of mat— watch him again on tv? all of that to— watch him again on tv? all of that to coom— watch him again on tv? all of that to come. don't go anywhere. some— that to come. don't go anywhere. some cracking— that to come. don't go anywhere. some cracking front— that to come. don't go anywhere. some cracking front pages to come see you into .

at this from tom. hi tom. how yoor— at this from tom. hi tom. how are you? thanks— at this from tom. hi tom. how are you? thanks for your email at on— are you? thanks for your email at on wews— are you? thanks for your email at gb news .com.— are you? thanks for your email at gb news .com. greg will be so happy- — at gb news .com. greg will be so happy i-ve— at gb news .com. greg will be so happy- i've got— at gb news .com. greg will be so happy- i've got the_ at gb news .com. greg will be so happy. i've got the hang of the emai— happy. i've got the hang of the email address— happy. i've got the hang of the email address gb— happy. i've got the hang of the email address gb news .com. by the email address gb news .com. by tire way.— email address gb news .com. by tire way. tire— email address gb news .com. by the way, the ultimate news wedsite— the way, the ultimate news website. now— the way, the ultimate news website. now we've got this from tom.— website. now we've got this from tom. tom. — website. now we've got this from tom. tom. oi — website. now we've got this from tom. tom. hi mark.— website. now we've got this from tom. tom. hi mark. love your snow.— tom. tom. hi mark. love your show mant— tom. tom. hi mark. love your show. thank you— tom. tom. hi mark. love your show. thank you very much for mat-s— show. thank you very much for iirat-s very— show. thank you very much for that's very kind. _ show. thank you very much for that's very kind. tom if skofije rioto— that's very kind. tom if skofije rieit was— that's very kind. tom if skofije field was heterosexual and was ireiping— field was heterosexual and was iretping an— field was heterosexual and was iretping an is— field was heterosexual and was helping an 18 year old female witn— helping an 18 year old female witir tireir— helping an 18 year old female with their career— helping an 18 year old female with their career for the metoo movement would _ with their career for the metoo movement would have gone into overritve— movement would have gone into overritve .— movement would have gone into overdrive . and— movement would have gone into overdrive . and ingrid nodding overdrive. and ingrid nodding her overdrive. and ingrid nodding irer treat.— overdrive. and ingrid nodding her head. let— overdrive. and ingrid nodding her head. let me— overdrive. and ingrid nodding her head. let me tell you, let's get— her head. let me tell you, let's get now— her head. let me tell you, let's get to— her head. let me tell you, let's get now to another— her head. let me tell you, let's get now to another front page. ant— get now to another front page. ant its— get now to another front page. art is tire— get now to another front page. and it's the sun— get now to another front page. and it's the sun on sunday and trey— and it's the sun on sunday and they teat— and it's the sun on sunday and they teat witn— and it's the sun on sunday and they lead with the— and it's the sun on sunday and they lead with the following. ooiiy— they lead with the following. may init— they lead with the following. holly phil lied— they lead with the following. holly phil lied to me . very holly phil lied to me. very irortioi— holly phil lied to me. very hurtful denial— holly phil lied to me. very hurtful denial of a fair stars on drink— hurtful denial of a fair stars on brink show— hurtful denial of a fair stars on brink show faces acts . and on brink show faces acts. and mat-s— on brink show faces acts. and that's hannah— on brink show faces acts. and that's hannah hope an old friend of that's hannah hope an old friend oi mne— that's hannah hope an old friend oi in— that's hannah hope an old friend oi in tire— that's hannah hope an old friend of mine in the sun— that's hannah hope an old friend of mine in the sun on sunday tacking— of mine in the sun on sunday dacting op— of mine in the sun on sunday backing up that— of mine in the sun on sunday backing up that story of course, mat— backing up that story of course, that statement— backing up that story of course, that statement from willoughby that statement from willoughby tirat sire— that statement from willoughby that she feels— that statement from willoughby that she feels let— that statement from willoughby that she feels let down by her

ionner— that she feels let down by her former friend _ that she feels let down by her former friend and— that she feels let down by her former friend and philip schofield— former friend and philip schofield .— former friend and philip schofield . reaction now to all schofield. reaction now to all of tomorrow's— schofield. reaction now to all of tomorrow's papers with tv personatity— of tomorrow's papers with tv personality ingrid tarrant, aotiror— personality ingrid tarrant, aotiror ant— personality ingrid tarrant, author and journalist peter itoyi— author and journalist peter itoyt. ant— author and journalist peter lloyd, and deputy editor of conservative _ lloyd, and deputy editor of conservative home journalist. as wett— conservative home journalist. as war, merry— conservative home journalist. as war, oerrry miti— conservative home journalist. as well, henry hill and an interesting— well, henry hill and an interesting briefly, if we can rost— interesting briefly, if we can post coom— interesting briefly, if we can just come off,— interesting briefly, if we can just come off, holly and phil for just come off, holly and phil tor a— just come off, holly and phil for a moment— just come off, holly and phil for a moment ,_ just come off, holly and phil for a moment, the sunday ieiegrapir— for a moment, the sunday telegraph sunak asks stores to cap— telegraph sunak asks stores to cap dasic— telegraph sunak asks stores to cap basic food— telegraph sunak asks stores to cap basic food prices . number cap basic food prices. number ten in— cap basic food prices. number ten in discussions— cap basic food prices. number ten in discussions with supermarket- ten in discussions with supermarket targets over french styie — supermarket targets over french styie approach— supermarket targets over french styie approacir to— supermarket targets over french style approach to the cost of iiving — style approach to the cost of living crisis. _ style approach to the cost of living crisis. what do you tinti— living crisis. what do you think? well,— living crisis. what do you think? well, i— living crisis. what do you think? well, i just have to iaogir— think? well, i just have to laugh because— think? well, i just have to laugh because the whole country is dogging— laugh because the whole country is dogging sonat— laugh because the whole country is begging sunak to just, you trow— is begging sunak to just, you know. pot— is begging sunak to just, you know. pot a— is begging sunak to just, you know. pot a cap— is begging sunak to just, you know, put a cap on electricity, rost— know, put a cap on electricity, rost ireip— know, put a cap on electricity, rost iretp os— know, put a cap on electricity, rost iretp os to— know, put a cap on electricity, just help us to ease us out of all just help us to ease us out of at tire— just help us to ease us out of all the problems— just help us to ease us out of all the problems that we have initation— all the problems that we have inflation, cost— all the problems that we have inflation, cost of— all the problems that we have inflation, cost of living and he is asking— inflation, cost of living and he is asking tire— inflation, cost of living and he is asking the supermarket to cut prices— is asking the supermarket to cut prices .— is asking the supermarket to cut prices . were— is asking the supermarket to cut prices . we're turning into prices. we're turning into zimdadwe.— prices. we're turning into zimbabwe, aren't we? a banana repodiici— zimbabwe, aren't we? a banana repodiici — zimbabwe, aren't we? a banana repodiici ves— zimbabwe, aren't we? a banana republic? v/tib people will be republic? yes. people will be paying— republic? yes. people will be paying ior— republic? yes. people will be paying tor a— republic? yes. people will be paying ior a root— republic? yes. people will be paying for a loaf of- republic? v/tib people will be paying for a loaf of bread with a soitcase— paying for a loaf of bread with a suitcase of— paying for a loaf of bread with a suitcase of cash.— paying for a loaf of bread with a suitcase of cash. yes. yeah i know. — a suitcase of cash. yes. yeah i know. too— a suitcase of cash. yes. yeah i know. you know,— a suitcase of cash. yes. yeah i know. you know, it's- a suitcase of cash. yes. yeah i

know. v/rir. c i know. you know, it's actually laughable. it is just please, just shut up, sunak. laughable. it is just please, just shut up, sunak . you know , just shut up, sunak. you know, you've got to get off that fence. let me tell you, ingrid. merry.— fence. let me tell you, ingrid. merry. wirat— fence. let me tell you, ingrid. nenry. wirat to— fence. let me tell you, ingrid. henry, what do you— ”ti i let me tell you, ingrid. henry, what do you think about misi— henry, what do you think about this? because— henry, what do you think about this? because many will say that this? because many will say that this is— this? because many will say that this is sonat— this? because many will say that this is sunak looking after real peopte— this is sunak looking after real peopte ant— this is sunak looking after real people and real— this is sunak looking after real people and real concerns. c people and real concerns. so it is a— people and real concerns. so it is a reat— people and real concerns. so it is a real concern.— people and real concerns. so it is a real concern. but- people and real concerns. so it is a real concern. but it's not a solution. i mean, basically, food prices are high for a reason, right? like the food supermarkets, reason, right? like the food supermarimargins. it's very very tight margins. it's very competitive. not banking very tight margins. it's very compprofits not banking very tight margins. it's very compprofits . not banking very tight margins. it's very compprofits . high not banking very tight margins. it's very compprofits . high pricestanking very tight margins. it's very compprofits . high prices onzing very tight margins. it's very compprofits . high prices on the huge profits. high prices on the shelves reflect prices all shelves reflect high prices all the down the supply chain. the way down the supply chain. so you fix prices, what so if you fix prices, what you're is you're making you're doing is you're making you're doing is you're making you're start you're going to start making them traded. you're going to start them trade at start making them trade at a loss. not a solution. what loss. it's not a solution. what you is invest further you need to do is invest further up the chain, diversify supply, make our supply make us less, make our supply chains resilient, chains more resilient, maybe offer help to buy food offer families help to buy food . that's a sensible thing to do. but fixing prices is not is not a good idea. it's like rent controls, isn't it? yeah. the when the margin is so thin as well because supermarkets, you know, the idea that supermarkets are they're like raking it in off of off food prices not

off of off food prices is not true. well, i mean, i do agree witn— true. well, i mean, i do agree witir wirat— true. well, i mean, i do agree witir wirat yoo— true. well, i mean, i do agree with what you say— well, i mean, i do agree with what you say to a point, dot— with what you say to a point, dot we— with what you say to a point, dot we dott— with what you say to a point, but we both live— with what you say to a point, but we both live near a really goot— but we both live near a really goot co—op— but we both live near a really good co—op, don't— but we both live near a really good co—op, don't we? �*ttvtti ritit good co—op, don't we? we do decaose— good co—op, don't we? we do because we're— good co—op, don't we? we do because we're in london. neighbours. butlhave. neighbours. but have my because we're in london. - neighbours. butihave my best neighbours. but i have my best irient— neighbours. but i have my best irient works— neighbours. but i have my best friend works in— neighbours. but i have my best friend works in or— neighbours. but i have my best friend works in or used to work in tire— friend works in or used to work in the supermarket industry and wood— in the supermarket industry and wooit oiten— in the supermarket industry and would often tell— in the supermarket industry and would often tell me that the tirere— would often tell me that the tirere is— would often tell me that the tirere is a— would often tell me that the there is a little— would often tell me that the there is a little bit of rigging mat— there is a little bit of rigging that goes— there is a little bit of rigging that goes — there is a little bit of rigging that goes on. the four main supermarkets— that goes on. the four main supermarkets are all in cahoots witn— supermarkets are all in cahoots witir eacir— supermarkets are all in cahoots with each other,— supermarkets are all in cahoots with each other, so— supermarkets are all in cahoots with each other, so they raise their— with each other, so they raise their prices— with each other, so they raise their prices to— with each other, so they raise their prices to the same level so mat— their prices to the same level so that one— their prices to the same level so that one doesn't dominate tire— so that one doesn't dominate over the other. _ so that one doesn't dominate over the other. so— so that one doesn't dominate over the other. so the price is initatei— over the other. so the price is inflated, prices— over the other. so the price is inflated, prices are protected ant— inflated, prices are protected ant at— inflated, prices are protected ant at tire— inflated, prices are protected and at the same— inflated, prices are protected and at the same time, supermarkets who are pretending to de.— supermarkets who are pretending to de. yoo— supermarkets who are pretending to de. yoo know.— supermarkets who are pretending to be, you know, very in support of to be, you know, very in support oi tire— to be, you know, very in support oi tire working— to be, you know, very in support of the working class person, trey-ve— of the working class person, they've deliberately raised the prices— they've deliberately raised the prices oi— they've deliberately raised the prices of essential items is so not— prices of essential items is so not tire— prices of essential items is so not the things— prices of essential items is so not the things that you might mint— not the things that you might tirint wooit— not the things that you might think would go— not the things that you might think would go up in price, such as a iancy— think would go up in price, such as a fancy bottle— think would go up in price, such as a fancy bottle of red wine, dot— as a fancy bottle of red wine, dot cireap— as a fancy bottle of red wine, but cheap pasta,— as a fancy bottle of red wine, but cheap pasta, cheap tomato . wny— but cheap pasta, cheap tomato sauce . why would.- but cheap pasta, cheap tomato sauce . bot“; : but cheap pasta, cheap tomato sauce. bot“; : c“ri”ri but cheap pasta, cheap tomato sauce . bot“; : c“ri”ri sauce. why would. but there was a reason for the pasta. well, actually, there wasn't- a reason for the pasta. well, actually, there wasn't a- i“ well, actually, there wasn't a reason. tirere— actually, there wasn't a reason. tirere was— actually, there wasn't a reason. tirere an— actually, there wasn't a reason. there was an excuse for the pasta— there was an excuse for the pasta ant— there was an excuse for the pasta ant rice— there was an excuse for the pasta and rice and all those

things— pasta and rice and all those tirings going— pasta and rice and all those things going up— pasta and rice and all those things going up because of otrainian— things going up because of ukrainian war. _ things going up because of ukrainian war. why you ukrainian war. why would you expect— ukrainian war. why would you expect-oi— ukrainian war. why would you expect-of beer?- ukrainian war. why would you expect of beer? that expect a bottle of beer? that was-excuse. france- expect a bottle of beer? that was excuse. ntb““ c was an excuse. france hasn't been invaded. no, no, no. i know, but. right. i know. i areeg— know, but. right. i know. i agree dot— know, but. right. i know. i agree. but there is it's there is an— agree. but there is it's there is an element— agree. but there is it's there is an element of— agree. but there is it's there is an element of rigging invoivet— is an element of rigging involved as— is an element of rigging involved as well. yeah i do. i oo. tirere— involved as well. yeah i do. i to. tirere is— involved as well. yeah i do. i do. there is some— involved as well. yeah i do. ritit there is some market do. there is some market manipulation. - ritit there is some market manipulation. i do. there is some market- manipulation. the actual profit margins, profit margins margins, their profit margins are right. are really. well, that's right. but halligan this but then liam halligan on this channel the said channel earlier in the week said that actually wholesale food pfices that actually wholesale food prices come down. so why prices have come down. so why are-supermarkets— are the supermarkets so expensive?— are the supermarkets so expensive? — are the supermarkets so expensive? v/tit. expensive? you know, a real french solution would be the best solution. live best french solution. live prices. into a french prices. if you go into a french supermarket, got little supermarket, they've got little they've digital they've got little digital trackers. like trackers. and the price like a stock market, the price goes up and down. if supermarkets on and down. if supermarkets are on socir— and down. if supermarkets are on socir-dome.— and down. if supermarkets are on such - budget, then - nt“r: : if supermarkets are on such budget, then maybe such a tight budget, then maybe oi— such a tight budget, then maybe oi tire— such a tight budget, then maybe some of the ceos_ such a tight budget, then maybe some of the ceos should take a pay— some of the ceos should take a pay-now,— some of the ceos should take a pay-wow. yoore— some of the ceos should take a pay now, you're talking, pay cut. now, you're talking, 0h,— pay cut. now, you're talking, con-yoove- pay cut. now, you're talking, oh, you've turned. oh, my god, you've turned. wayne— oh, my god, you've turned. mayne-to- oh, my god, you've turned. iiayde-to oo- oh, my god, you've turned. - maybe-to do something. maybe we ought to do something. it's time now for the most tattoo— it's time now for the most talked-brand- it's time now for the most talked brand new it's time now for the most- talked-brand new segment it's time now for the most talmark brand new segment it's time now for the most talmark dolan'and new segment it's time now for the most talmark dolan tonighti segment it's time now for the most tal mark dolan tonight headlinet on mark dolan tonight headline heroes— on mark dolan tonight headline oeroes ant— on mark dolan tonight headline heroes and back— on mark dolan tonight headline heroes and back page zeros. yes, inteet. — heroes and back page zeros. yes, inteet. ant— heroes and back page zeros. yes, indeed. and let's— heroes and back page zeros. yes, indeed. and let's look. indeed. and let's have a look. ingrit— indeed. and let's have a look. ingot—can- indeed. and let's have a look. ingrid—can, your ingrid briefly, if you can, your ireatiine— ingrid briefly, if you can, your headline _who- ingrid briefly, if you can, your headline-who do- ingrid briefly, if you can, your headline who do you love headline hero, who do you love totayi—say- headline hero, who do you love totayi—say il headline hero, who do you love. today?_say i love today? estimate they say i love her day. yes brilliant her every day. yes brilliant presenter— her every day. yes brilliant presenter yesterday - tin; v/tib brilliant presenter yesterday she said ”; tin; v/tib brilliant presenter yesterday she said she

iistenet— presenter yesterday she said she iistenet to— presenter yesterday she said she listened to this— presenter yesterday she said she listened to this show. i'm very ironooret. — listened to this show. i'm very honoured. oh,— listened to this show. i'm very honoured. tijj“ listened to this show. i'm very honoured. listened to this show. i'm very- honoured. oh, when she's-bed. honoured. oh, when she's in bed. oh, with honoured. oh, when she's in bed. on. witir pm,— honoured. oh, when she's in bed. 0h, with phil, not— honoured. “ ioiti oh, with phil, not schofield. wean.— oh, with phil, not schofield. wean-otter— oh, with phil, not schofield. yeah, .other one. - oh, with phil, not schofield. yeah, .other one. yeah- 0h, with phil, not schofield. | yeah,-other one. yeah yeah. yeah, the other one. yeah yeah. i'm saying her because she is the has arranged a the one that has arranged for a letter to be sent out to the foreign office to stop who two world order from taking world health order from taking control of decisions for lockdown, the pandemic, etcetera . et cetera. et cetera. they want the power— . et cetera. et cetera. they want the power to- {.tifilctirb�* {.tiilctiilo?�* they want the power to send us into iocttown— want the power to send us into lockdown without— want the power to send us into lockdown without any uk. txactiy— lockdown without any uk. exactly. exactly. _ lockdown without any uk. exactly. exactly. it's- lockdown without any uk. exactly. exactly. it's got to stop. and we all know this. but she has taken the initiative to get the letter sent out to the foreign office here. we go. she's for a hero. yeah she's fighting for a hero. yeah > who's. who's your hero today? peter > my hero is a guy > who's. ” i7 > my hero is a guy called peter > my hero is a guy called tact— peter > my hero is a guy called tact tones— peter > my hero is a guy called jack jones, who's— peter > my hero is a guy called jack jones, who's a— > my hero is a guy called jack jones, who's a youtuber, very— jack jones, who's a youtuber, very protiiic— jack jones, who's a youtuber, very prolific youtuber. he very prolific youtuber. and he is—wiro— very prolific youtuber. and he is—wiro reaiiy- very prolific youtuber. and he is_who really firsti is the person who really first prote— is the person who really first drote tire — is the person who really first broke the story— is the person who really first broke the story about phillip sciroiieit.— broke the story about phillip schofield. he— broke the story about phillip schofield. he videoed him having avery— schofield. he videoed him having avery cosy— schofield. he videoed him having a very cosy trink— schofield. he videoed him having a very cosy drink with the prson— a very cosy drink with the peson we— a very cosy drink with the person. we can't name in a torton— person. we can't name in a ionton pot— person. we can't name in a london pub nick- person. we can't name in a london pub nick gibb. and that is tire— london pub nick gibb. and that is tire viteo— london pub nick gibb. and that is the video that— london pub nick gibb. and that is the video that has since gone virai— is the video that has since gone war, wiricir— is the video that has since gone viral, which was— is the video that has since gone viral, which was really the iirst— viral, which was really the first crucial— viral, which was really the first crucial piece of evidence wiricir— first crucial piece of evidence which allowed _ first crucial piece of evidence which allowed people to talk adoot— which allowed people to talk adoot tire— which allowed people to talk about the _and - which allowed people to talk

about the-and of- which allowed people to talk. about the _and of course, about the case. and of course, we know if that's the we don't know if that's the person, people think it person, but some people think it is. each to their henry is. so each to their own. henry briefly, if you can, your headune briefly, if you can, your headline hero. it's kemi badenoch, equalities headline hero. it's kemi badenocibecauseialities headline hero. it's kemi badenocibecause she's s minister, because she's intervened there's row in intervened in there's a row in the and human rights the equality and human rights commission. the that commission. the leader of that group— commission. the leader of that groop-to— commission. the leader of that groop-to de— commission. the leader of that group-to be drummedl group is trying to be drummed oot—ioots- out. essentially, it looks like tomor— out. essentially, it looks like ionior-irave— out. essentially, it looks like. junior-have-whipping junior staff have been whipping up junior staff have been whipping op-aiiegations- junior staff have been whipping up allegations because up bullying allegations because trey— up bullying allegations because trey-witn— up bullying allegations because trey-with irer- up bullying allegations because they with her trans they disagree with her on trans rigirts— they disagree with her on trans rigirts .— they disagree with her on trans rigirts . ant— they disagree with her on trans rights . and-has- they disagree with her on trans rights . and has stepped in rights. and kemi has stepped in and rights. and kemi has stepped in ant-not— rights. and kemi has stepped ini and-not-allow and said, i'm not going to allow mis— and said, i'm not going to allow this senor— and said, i'm not going to allow this senior leader— and said, i'm not going to allow this senior leader to be drummed out this senior leader to be drummed oot oi— this senior leader to be drummed oot oi irer— this senior leader to be drummed oot oi irer tot. — this senior leader to be drummed out of her job. prime— this senior leader to be drummed out of her job. 37�*” it: i“ out of herjob. prime minister, in the making unsom arising in the making for unsom arising reasons. delighted to say reasons. i'm delighted to say that. peter, your back page zero is philip schofield , not kinsey is philip schofield, not kinsey schofield definitely not. oh, i do too . how about your back page do too. how about your back page there, holly oh, she's yes , there, holly oh, she's yes, absolutely. very quickly, if two— absolutely. very quickly, if be got— absolutely. very quickly, if i've got time,— ctic; very quickly, if i've got time, because first of allo— i've got time, because first of an, i— i've got time, because first of an, i mint— i've got time, because first of all, i think she's— i've got time, because first of all, i think she's a- i've got time, because first of all, i think she's a liar decaose— all, i think she's a liar because it's- all, i think she's a liar because it's like, what sort of ooiiy— because it's like, what sort of may dosi— because it's like, what sort of holly bush have— because it's like, what sort of holly bush have you been under? sort— holly bush have you been under? sort oi— holly bush have you been under? sort oi tite— holly bush have you been under? sort of like, please— holly bush have you been under? sort of like, please don't treat us sort of like, please don't treat os tite— sort of like, please don't treat us like idiots. _ sort of like, please don't treat us like idiots. we— sort of like, please don't treat us like idiots. �*ttvtti ”t us like idiots. we survive this. by us like idiots. we survive this. dy tire— us like idiots. we survive this. dy tire way.— us like idiots. we survive this. dy tire way. irer— us like idiots. we survive this. by the way, her career,- us like idiots. �*ttvtti ”t by the way, her career, do you mow.— by the way, her career, do you know. sire— by the way, her career, do you know, she might— by the way, her career, do you know, she might because she's got-nostant-s— know, she might because she's got husband's powerful got her husband's in a powerful position— got her husband's in a powerful position-ant- got her husband's in a powerful position and that. position and this and that. i

ton-t— position and this and that. i not know. — position and this and that. i don't know. she— position and this and that. i don't know. she shouldn't not morally. she should not marry. who you got me? i'd who have you got for me? i'd stigntiy— who have you got for me? i'd slightly different— who have you got for me? i'd slightly different tack. lorna slater, the maybe worst slater, the maybe the worst government of government minister britain. minister in britain. she's a scottish green and set up scottish green and she's set up this insane business that's going to cost scottish businesses in businesses tonnes of money in the government just the uk government have just vetoed her disastrous green experiment. thank you to my amazing—brilliantj amazing pundits, my brilliant team— amazing pundits, my brilliant team-massive- amazing pundits, my brilliant team massive shows. amazing pundits, my brilliant team back massive shows. amazing pundits, my brilliant team back tomorrow. shows. amazing pundits, my brilliant team back tomorrow. showdolan we're back tomorrow. mark dolan tonight— we're back tomorrow. mark dolan ionigirt at— we're back tomorrow. mark dolan ionigirt at stoo— we're back tomorrow. mark dolan tonight at 9:00 and we've got great— tonight at 9:00 and we've got some great guests , including ann some great guests, including ann wittecomte.— some great guests, including ann widdecombe. but— some great guests, including ann widdecombe. but next up, it's readines— widdecombe. but next up, it's headliners. i'll— widdecombe. but next up, it's headliners. i'll see you tomorrow . at- headliners. i'll see you tomorrow . at nine. join me tomorrow. at nine. join me camiiia— tomorrow. at nine. join me camilla tominey from 9.30 on sontay— camilla tominey from 9.30 on sunday morning— camilla tominey from 9.30 on sunday morning when i'll be speaking— sunday morning when i'll be speaking to— sunday morning when i'll be speaking to comedy legend john cieese— speaking to comedy legend john cieese adoot— speaking to comedy legend john cleese about cancel culture and his cleese about cancel culture and iris new— cleese about cancel culture and iris cn— cleese about cancel culture and his new gb news— cleese about cancel culture and his new gb news show. i“ rbt”ti his new gb news show. in a rare interview— his new gb news show. in a rare interview .— his new gb news show. in a rare interview , former labour bigwig interview, former labour bigwig lord john hutton , the ex—defence lord john hutton, the ex—defence business secretary gives us his take on how sir keir starmer and the labour party are performing . doing all that and more on gb news with me camilla tominey sunday morning from 930 .