good evening. i'm rory smith in the gb - good evening. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom.— - good evening. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. itv_ . good evening. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. itv has— good evening. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. itv has denied that— the gb newsroom. itv has denied that this— the gb newsroom. itv has denied that this morning— the gb newsroom. itv has denied that this morning is— the gb newsroom. itv has denied that this morning is under review following reports the show— review following reports the show could— review following reports the show could be— review following reports the show could be axed. source sources have told gb news that hossos— sources have told gb news that hossos hove— sources have told gb news that bosses have just— sources have told gb news that bosses have just seven days to tho— bosses have just seven days to save the programme following the hhhhh— save the programme following the phillip schofield _ save the programme following the phillip schofield affair . the phillip schofield affair. the shah— phillip schofield affair. the staff members— phillip schofield affair. the staff members who raised concerns about- staff members who raised concerns about the tv presenters oshohs— concerns about the tv presenters oshohs soy— concerns about the tv presenters actions say executives need to prove— actions say executives need to prove oheyhe — actions say executives need to prove they're properly addressing _ prove they're properly addressing the issue. the broadcaster— addressing the issue. the broadcaster has confirmed the show— broadcaster has confirmed the show whh— broadcaster has confirmed the show will air— broadcaster has confirmed the show will air tomorrow , but show will air tomorrow, but viewer opinions— show will air tomorrow, but viewer opinions vary over the fohouo—

viewer opinions vary over the fohouo .— viewer opinions vary over the fohouo. hs— viewer opinions vary over the fallout . it's not— viewer opinions vary over the fallout . it's not really for us fallout. it's not really for us to fallout. it's not really for us ho judge— fallout. it's not really for us to judge someone. " to judge someone. i mean, what he did and what if it's true that this young chap was 18.7 there's nothing to do with that. i think he should speak to his family. i will say that i think perhaps the show need is fresh. people on. i think that the show really— people on. i think that the show reouy rehea— people on. i think that the show really relied on— people on. i think that the show really relied on the chemistry theo— really relied on the chemistry that holly— really relied on the chemistry that holly and— really relied on the chemistry that holly and phil had for me. less— that holly and phil had for me. less .— that holly and phil had for me. less . hm— that holly and phil had for me. less . l-h less— that holly and phil had for me. less . i'm less keen— that holly and phil had for me. less . i'm less keen to- that holly and phil had for me. less. i'm less keen to watching the programmes with them as they split , am i the programmes with them as they split, am i right.7 and i think are only going to get the career even bigger now. you know, i like i like phil and holly, so i'm very sad to see them go because i love i love them both. so it's a pity really. and i was shocked— so it's a pity really. and i was shocked oo— so it's a pity really. and i was shocked to hear— so it's a pity really. and i was shocked to hear about phil heeouse— shocked to hear about phil heeouse l— shocked to hear about phil because i didn't think he'd do anything— because i didn't think he'd do ohyohhg the— because i didn't think he'd do anything like that. be so oeeelhul— anything like that. be so deceitful. _ anything like that. be so deceitful . a- anything like that. be so deceitful. ' �*" anything like that. be so deceitful . ' �*" li: anything like that. be so deceitful. ' �*" : lg 1 deceitful. a five year old girl has died following a house fire in pembrokeshire. despite the efforts of emergency services.

alicia salsbury passed away at the scene of the blaze in the ponty glacier area last night. her family, who described her as a beautiful daughter and sister , are being supported by specialist officers . the force specialist officers. the force says it's working to establish the cause . the government is the cause. the government is launching an ad campaign to stop people from crossing the channel. the advert said to be circulated in albania next week, will warn people the face being detained and removed if they make the journey. critics have already branded it as pointless , saying it won't deter them. while a record number of people made the crossing in small boats last year and more than 6000 have been intercepted so far this year . so have been intercepted so far this year. so supermarkets could be asked to introduce a price cap on basic food to help struggling households. the government is reportedly drawing up plans, suggests the move. but a treasury source told the sunday telegraph it would be

voluntary. the scheme would see retailers charging the lowest possible amount for products like bread and milk. while food pnces like bread and milk. while food prices , which are expected to prices, which are expected to keep rising , have increased by keep rising, have increased by 19.1% in the year to march . tv 19.1% in the year to march. tv tv online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news nato. it's back to free speech nation a -- a new scandal erupts regarding the trans charity mermaids . the trans charity mermaids. baroness falkner is subjected to a baroness falkner is subjected to owheh— baroness falkner is subjected to owheh hono— baroness falkner is subjected to owheh huho hy— baroness falkner is subjected to a witch hunt by activists and huowehser— a witch hunt by activists and budweiser tries— a witch hunt by activists and budweiser tries to win back its customer base— budweiser tries to win back its customer base by— budweiser tries to win back its customer base by teaming up with hohey— customer base by teaming up with harley davidson— customer base by teaming up with harley davidson ._ customer base by teaming up with harley davidson . this is free harley davidson. this is free speech— harley davidson. this is free speech nation— harley davidson. this is free speech nation ._ harley davidson. this is free speech nation . who welcome to speech nation. who welcome to hee— speech nation. who welcome to lee speech— speech nation. who welcome to free speech nation. with me andrew— free speech nation. with me andrew howe— free speech nation. with me andrew doyle. so this is the show— andrew doyle. so this is the

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kearse. hello both. you've been to amsterdam,— kearse. hello both. you've been to amsterdam, i— kearse. hello both. you've been to amsterdam, i believe , this to amsterdam, i believe, this week.— to amsterdam, i believe, this weeh how— to amsterdam, i believe, this week. how was— to amsterdam, i believe, this week. how was it.7 it was ohsolwoew— week. how was it.7 it was absolutely magical. g»it» absolutely magical. i even got to absolutely magical. i even got oo ow— absolutely magical. i even got ho how some— absolutely magical. i even got to try some of my dutch . oh, to try some of my dutch. oh, really? you know dutch. oh yeah. it will. craig and svarta kwasi double, which means i will have a black coffee, please. and that's all you need,- f f and that's all you need, really, is oh.— that's all you need, really, is oh — that's all you need, really, is oh wen.— that's all you need, really, is all. well, that— that's all you need, really, is all. well, that and- that's all you need, really, is all. well, that and i- that's all you need, really, is all. e�*»: »: all. well, that and i was trying to work out how to say my husband will pay. yeah i didn't quite get that one. that's quite an important thing. how are you, leo? yeah i went— an important thing. how are you, leo? yeah i went to— w?“ g how are you, leo? yeah i went to putney. /»it». leo? yeah i went to putney. you know— leo? yeah i went to putney. you know whats— leo? yeah i went to putney. you know what? it's— leo? yeah i went to putney. you know what? it's just— leo? yeah i went to putney. you know what? it's just as- leo? yeah i went to putney. you know what? it's just as good in its own way. i think. i think all its own way. i think. i think at these— its own way. i think. i think all these canals— i think. i think all these canals and beautiful museums are overrated. yeah in homew— museums are overrated. yeah in putney.—thes- museums are overrated. yeah in putney. that's right. putney. in putney. that's right. okay.— putney. in putney. that's right. ohow well— putney. in putney. that's right. okay, well, look,— putney. in putney. that's right. okay, well, look, we've got this great— okay, well, look, we've got this great shooto— okay, well, look, we've got this great studio audience. let's not weste— great studio audience. let's not. waste—oweshoh waste them. we'll get a question in waste them. we'll get a question him — waste them. we'll get a question him swsoh— waste them. we'll get a question in -from susan in.- waste them. we'll get a question in from susan in. hi, in first from susan in. hi, swsoh— in first from susan in. hi, swsoh ht— in first from susan in. hi, swsoh hh — in first from susan in. hi, susan. hi : in first from susan in. hi,- susan. hi should a trans lobby group help plan nhs treatment for children ? yeah, this is just for children? yeah, this is just broken. this is big news. the lelegrohh— broken. this is big news. the telegraph broke— this is big news. the telegraph broke this one. they reweoleo— telegraph broke this one. they revealed that— telegraph broke this one. they revealed that the— telegraph broke this one. they revealed that the trans lobby group— revealed that the trans lobby group mermaids— revealed that the trans lobby group mermaids was actually helping— group mermaids was actually helping-nhs- group mermaids was actually helping nhs plans for helping to draft nhs plans for heathe— helping to draft nhs plans for treating children— helping to draft nhs plans for treating children who were oweshohhg— treating children who were questioning their gender. this is, questioning their gender. this

ls. oh— questioning their gender. this ls. of sowe— questioning their gender. this is, of course, at— questioning their gender. this is, of course, at the tavistock chhhet— is, of course, at the tavistock clinic, which,— is, of course, at the tavistock clinic, which, as— is, of course, at the tavistock clinic, which, as we know, since the— clinic, which, as we know, since the-report— clinic, which, as we know, since the-report ws- clinic, which, as we know, since the report was deemed to the interim report was deemed to be the interim report was deemed to he whsoef— the interim report was deemed to he whsoeh for— the interim report was deemed to be unsafe for children. but these— be unsafe for children. but these ths— be unsafe for children. but these this is— be unsafe for children. but these this is very interesting. l-h — these this is very interesting. l-h .wow-we— these this is very interesting. i'm .you've both - these this is very interesting. i'm you've both read about i'm sure you've both read about ths— i'm sure you've both read about thslwhot— i'm sure you've both read about this,-what had— i'm sure you've both read about this, what had happened here this, but what had happened here is this, but what had happened here ls—reowesteo- this, but what had happened here ls—eowesheo .- this, but what had happened here is_requested , you- is that it was requested, you know.— is that it was requested, you know. he— is that it was requested, you know, in other— is that it was requested, you know, in other words, they were sowhg — know, in other words, they were sowhg to — know, in other words, they were sowhg to the— know, in other words, they were saying to the tavistock, well, he — saying to the tavistock, well, he .howe— saying to the tavistock, well, she-hove onw— saying to the tavistock, well, did have any direct did you have any direct connection— did you have any direct connection mermaids ? did you have any direct- connection-mermaids ? did connection with mermaids? did you connection with mermaids? did wow—eohheehoht you have any direct connection whh—wos- you have any direct connection whh—wos thei with susie green, who was the shaman— with susie green, who was the ehohhoh ot— with susie green, who was the chairman at the— with susie green, who was the chairman at the time? they said no, chairman at the time? they said we ooh-l— chairman at the time? they said no, we don't have— chairman at the time? they said no, we don't have any documents the— no, we don't have any documents he that. — no, we don't have any documents he that. who— no, we don't have any documents like that. and then— no, we don't have any documents like that. and then got like that. and then they got hushed— pushed on it. freedom of information— pushed on it. freedom of information and information request and all that.— information request and all that. sums— information request and all that. turns there's 300 that. turns out there's 300 pages— that. turns out there's 300 pages documents linking the pages of documents linking the two.— pages of documents linking the two-sawho— pages of documents linking the two-sowhe the- pages of documents linking the two. saying the mermaid two. i'm not saying the mermaid thet— two. i'm not saying the mermaid that-were— two. i'm not saying the mermaid that-were whe— two. i'm not saying the mermaid that-were lying or- two. i'm not saying the mermaid that were lying or the that they were lying or the lowstoeh— that they were lying or the tavistock - lying. - that they were lying or the tavistock lying. i'm just tavistock was lying. i'm just saying— tavistock was lying. i'm just. saying—an saying that they they forgot an owfw— saying that they they forgot an owlwl lot— saying that they they forgot an awful lot there,— saying that they they forgot an awful lot there, didn't they? i mean, are generous in mean, you are very generous in sawho— mean, you are very generous in sowhg hot— mean, you are very generous in sowhg not lying— mean, you are very generous in saying not lying because they onw— saying not lying because they thw—whh- saying not lying because they only _with these| saying not lying because they- only _with these 322 only came forward with these 322 pages— only came forward with these 322 pages-thew— only came forward with these 322 pages-thew wee— only came forward with these 322 pages they were threatened pages after they were threatened whh — pages after they were threatened whh hehe— pages after they were threatened with being taken— pages after they were threatened with being taken to the high court — with being taken to the high court leah— with being taken to the high court. yeah, that'll do it. yeah it court. yeah, that'll do it. yeah h wll — court. yeah, that'll do it. yeah it with just— court. yeah, that'll do it. yeah it with just a— court. yeah, that'll do it. yeah it will. just a little- court. yeah, that'll do it. yeah it will. l it will. just a little poke. yeah. look look— it will. l yeah. look look behind the sofa. wowhe. — yeah. look look behind the sofa. howhe. there.— yeah. look look behind the sofa. maybe. there, there. that kind of thg. — maybe. there, there. that kind of thg. h-s— maybe. there, there. that kind of thing. it's a— maybe. there, there. that kind of thing. it's a bit— maybe. there, there. that kind of thing. . l l of thing. it's a bit like when your mom says right, i'll leave your mom says right, i'll leave you to do your day. oh by the way, you heard about way, have you heard about

phillips goldfield? and you think, to be here think, no, i'm going to be here now for another 300, 300 pages. the problem with this is that it's the problem with this is that. it's—dangerous. it's been very, very dangerous. i it's been very, very dangerous. l-tohe— it's been very, very dangerous. l-tohe ohow- it's been very, very dangerous. i-joke about it,- it's been very, very dangerous. i joke about it, but i mean, we joke about it, but oetwohw— i mean, we joke about it, but actually,-these- actually, some of these documents,— actually, some of these documents, know, susie documents, you know, susie sheen-s— documents, you know, susie green's influence on the lowstoeh— green's influence on the| tavistock - quite green's influence on the- tavistock - quite extreme tavistock has been quite extreme and hes— tavistock has been quite extreme one has been.— tavistock has been quite extreme and has been, you— tavistock has been quite extreme and has been, you know, pushing hos— and has been, you know, pushing hos-outerw— and has been, you know, pushing kids puberty blockers, and has been, you know, pushing kids almostberty blockers, and has been, you know, pushing kids almost inevitablyzers, and has been, you know, pushing kids almost inevitably go , and has been, you know, pushing kids almost inevitably go on to which almost inevitably go on to eross—sex—lhe- which almost inevitably go on to cross—sex_the end| cross—sex hormones. at the end of cross—sex hormones. at the end ol—ereeh— cross—sex hormones. at the end ol—ereeh oh- cross—sex hormones. at the end of_green, of course,| of this, susie green, of course, hos— of this, susie green, of course, has—investment- of this, susie green, of course, has—investment in. has a personal investment in ths— has a personal investment in ths-she— has a personal investment in this-she took- has a personal investment in this-she took her. has a personal investment in this she took her 16 this because she took her 16 year— this because she took her 16 year oth— this because she took her 16 year old child— this because she took her 16 year old child to— this because she took her 16 year old child to thailand on his year old child to thailand on th leth— year old child to thailand on his 16th birthday— year old child to thailand on his 16th birthday to sex his 16th birthday to have sex change— his 16th birthday to have sex change operation, which of course, - sterility. change operation, which of. course,-sterility and course, results in sterility and all—not- all that kind of thing. not good.— all that kind of thing. not good. ls— all that kind of thing. not good, ls he — all that kind of thing. not good, is it? ' »: »i; all that kind of thing. not- good, is it? .and susie green good, is it? no. and susie green doesn't have any medical training, as far i'm aware. training, as far as i'm aware. right. so to be advising right. so for her to be advising an trust how to to how an nhs trust about how to to how treat this complex condition that you that really needs, you know, you need to have doctors dealing with psychiatrists, people with it, psychiatrists, people like . you to have the like that. you need to have the hostes— like that. you need to have the hashes ooh-l— like that. you need to have the basics, don't-not- like that. you need to have the basics, don't-not just. basics, don't you? not just a special interest group that's obviously agenda and obviously got its own agenda and its bias. and we're seeing, its own bias. and we're seeing, you across the public you know, across the public sector across government, sector and across government, special interest groups are sort of gripping government of gripping, gripping government in scotland is a classic example. the snp, for some reason have been, know,

reason have been, you know, pushed by same sort of pushed by the same sort of special groups then special interest groups and then they don't realise they don't they don't realise that the population doesn't agree with this. so why do they have — agree with this. so why do they have so— agree with this. so why do they have so hush— agree with this. so why do they have so much clout?— agree with this. so why do they have so much clout? i- tragic»; so why do they have so much clout? i mean, wow-e— have so much clout? i mean, wow-re talking— have so much clout? i mean, you're talking about things like slohewoll-s— you're talking about things like stonewall's influence on the snp rherrhoros— stonewall's influence on the snp rherrhoros.-ol— stonewall's influence on the snp mermaids.-of this- stonewall's influence on the snp mermaids. of this happens mermaids. a lot of this happens hehho— mermaids. a lot of this happens behind-doors,— mermaids. a lot of this happens behind-doors,-soi behind closed doors, right? so suste— behind closed doors, right? so swsle—swsre- behind closed doors, right? so. susie _susie green susie grey and had susie green hoo— susie grey and had susie green hoolorreel— susie grey and had susie green hadldirect line— susie grey and had susie green hadldirect line to— susie grey and had susie green had direct line to dr. polly had a direct line to dr. polly corrhrehoel— had a direct line to dr. polly carmichael tavistock, carmichael at the tavistock, a street— carmichael at the tavistock, a street the— carmichael at the tavistock, a direct line and— carmichael at the tavistock, a direct line and as— carmichael at the tavistock, a direct line and as leo says, suste— direct line and as leo says, susie green— direct line and as leo says, susie green has— direct line and as leo says, susie green has no medical lrohhg— susie green has no medical training whatsoever. this is very.— training whatsoever. this is werw —stll. i training whatsoever. this is. very,_stuff. this very, very difficult stuff. this lowsloeh— very, very difficult stuff. this tavistock, - now - very, very difficult stuff. this tavistock, now know, tavistock, as we now know, lhohhs— tavistock, as we now know, thanks-hannah- tavistock, as we now know, thanks hannah barnes's thanks to hannah barnes's research, between 80 and of research, between 80 and 90% of all research, between 80 and 90% of oll-ol— research, between 80 and 90% of all-of children,- research, between 80 and 90% of all-of children, were- all referrals of children, were same - attracted - all referrals of children, were same - attracted ?- all referrals of children, were same attracted ? in other same sex attracted? in other ores— same sex attracted? in other ores whet— same sex attracted? in other words, what was— same sex attracted? in other words, what was happening here very— words, what was happening here weowrw—e— words, what was happening here weowrw—e sow- words, what was happening here very over 50% were very much. and over 50% were outsho— very much. and over 50% were autistic. what's— very much. and over 50% were autistic. what's happening here is autistic. what's happening here ls outsho— autistic. what's happening here is autistic kids,— autistic. what's happening here is autistic kids, kids who are thew—lo- is autistic kids, kids who are llhelw—lo he- is autistic kids, kids who are likely—to be gavl is autistic kids, kids who are. likely—to be gay are likely to grow up to be gay are elleelwelw— likely to grow up to be gay are effectively being _ likely to grow up to be gay are effectively being medicalized for effectively being medicalized lor-oorh— effectively being medicalized lor-oorh .— effectively being medicalized for-dark . you- effectively being medicalized for dark . you know, for it. this is dark. you know, there— for it. this is dark. you know, here ws— for it. this is dark. you know, here o— for it. this is dark. you know, there was a joke— for it. this is dark. you know, there was a joke at the tavistock _ there was a joke at the tavistock where the staff were savingr — tavistock where the staff were sowhg. soo— tavistock where the staff were saying, soon there'll be no gay oethe— saying, soon there'll be no gay heoole lell. — saying, soon there'll be no gay people left. that's how dark lhrs— people left. that's how dark hrs-aho- people left. that's how dark this-and-we'vej people left. that's how dark thisthis and we've people left. that's how dark thisthis happening. we've people left. that's how dark thisthis happening. why? a people left. that's how dark thisthis happening. why? . got this happening. why? it's ohsolwlelw— got this happening. why? it's absolutely well, _ got this happening. why? it's absolutely well, imean, - got this happening. why? it's absolutely well, mean, like absolutely well, i mean, like leo you have some people leo said, you have some people and i think i'm fair in saying, in my opinion, she's a zealot. of course , and she pushes her

of course, and she pushes her way into this position where she has got a direct line to the director of an nhs trust. yes. and as we already said with her ideology, she had already put her son on puberty blockers and that she got illegally from well, not illegally. she got them from the us. sorry but also she was pushing forward for children to be referred when their own gp had said no. so you have a doctor who's put in place to safeguard children, but this, this as i said, zealot has an activist has put themselves in such a position that they're able to bypass gps and train doctors to put children forward for essentially sterilising nation. it is shocking. this is a major scandal,— nation. it is shocking. this is a major scandal, isn't- l f g this is a major scandal, isn't it? the rheo— a major scandal, isn't it? the the that— a major scandal, isn't it? the idea that she— a major scandal, isn't it? the idea that she that susie green, an idea that she that susie green, on oelstl— idea that she that susie green, an activist, should— idea that she that susie green, an activist, should override a owolllleo— an activist, should override a qualified gp?— an activist, should override a qualified gp? yeah. unbelievable. and you're not olloweo— unbelievable. and you're not olloweo lo— unbelievable. and you're not allowed to question what the specter— allowed to question what the special interest— allowed to question what the special interest groups were. aellstls— special interest groups were. activists like— special interest groups were. activists like susie— special interest groups were. activists like susie green say, because they say, you know, if

you question it, that's you question it, then that's that's transphobic. that's that's transphobic. nick that's literal genocide . how about literal genocide. how about homophohre— literal genocide. how about homophobic to _ literal genocide. how about homophobic to try- l g»i;t�*litwt. »:»i how about homophobic to try and, you l g»i;t�*litwt. »:li. how about homophobic to try and, you know, go homophobic to try and, you know, to oller— homophobic to try and, you know, to oller hos— homophobic to try and, you know, go after kids who— homophobic to try and, you know, go after kids who are likely to grow— go after kids who are likely to grow-gav— go after kids who are likely to grow-gay yeah— go after kids who are likely to grow gay yeah, yeah, exactly. grow up gay yeah, yeah, exactly. who— grow up gay yeah, yeah, exactly. who-l— grow up gay yeah, yeah, exactly. who-l meow— grow up gay yeah, yeah, exactly. and-i mean, it's— grow up gay yeah, yeah, exactly. and-i mean, it's become- and also, i mean, it's become a social contagion amongst young teenage a way of sort teenage girls as a way of sort of desexualised ing their bodies, which to be done, bodies, which used to be done, you bulimia bodies, which used to be done, you to bulimia bodies, which used to be done, you to be bulimia bodies, which used to be done, you to be the bulimia bodies, which used to be done, you to be the way bulimia bodies, which used to be done, you to be the way thatbulimia bodies, which used to be done, you to be the way that young, used to be the way that young, young going through young women going through puberty control over puberty would take control over their the of their body and the rates of anorexia and bulimia have plummeted rates of plummeted just as the rates of transitioning have skyrocketed. so it's obviously replacing it, but it's interesting that mermaids quite mermaids used to be quite sensible about ten, 12 years ago. they used give advice to ago. they used to give advice to parents— ago. they used to give advice to parents sawho— ago. they used to give advice to parents saying, look,— g they used to give advice to parents saying, look, feelings of parents saying, look, feelings ol gehoer— parents saying, look, feelings of gender dysphoria in youth are wswollw— usually corrected through outerw— usually corrected through hwherw—lel-sl usually corrected through- puberty-let's block puberty itself. not let's block the-hw— puberty itself. not let's block the-by putting- puberty itself. not let's block the by putting them on the cure by putting them on owes.— the cure by putting them on owes—he- the cure by putting them oni drugs—he owhe drugs. they used to be quite sehslhle— drugs. they used to be quite sensible-susie- drugs. they used to be quite sensible susie green got sensible until susie green got hwolwerl— sensible until susie green got involved,-activist- involved, until the activist ethhgehl— contingent got involved. and it's contingent got involved. and ll-s-werw— contingent got involved. and. it's -very _ stuff. it's very, very dangerous stuff. hs— it's very, very dangerous stuff. h-s very— it's very, very dangerous stuff. it's very dangerous stuff. ' »: it's very dangerous stuff. and it's interesting— it's very dangerous stuff. and it's interesting that whistleblowing started at the tavistock clinic in 2004, like and that was when members of staff started saying, wait a minute, there's something really, wrong really, really wrong here. and it all that time really

it took all of that time really , i think it took about, oh, gosh, about 14 years before anything was seriously done there. yeah. and so maybe there needs to be a good look at whistleblowing. i mean, because we're talking about children. well the key thing. it's well that's the key thing. it's kids, you know, adults »: it's kids, you know, adults can do what— kids, you know, adults can do what they— kids, you know, adults can do what they -with - kids, you know, adults can do. what they -with-bodies what they want with their bodies in what they want with their bodies h -soerew. — what they want with their bodies h-soerew. they- what they want with their bodies in society, they make in a liberal society, they make her— in a liberal society, they make their-choices. _ in a liberal society, they make their-choices. a- in a liberal society, they make their choices. a child, i their own choices. a child, i mean, adults— their own choices. a child, i mean, adults can- their own choices. a child, i mean, adults can do absolutely ohwrhhe— mean, adults can do absolutely anything—within. anything they want as within the low. — anything they want as within the low. whhh— anything they want as within the law. within - there - anything they want as within the law. within there which law. within the law. there which is law. within the law. there which leshorhe— law. within the law. there which leshorhe lor— law. within the law. there which islshame for you. _ law. within the law. there which islshame for you. i— law. within the law. there which is shame for you. i know. but is a shame for you. i know. but there— is a shame for you. i know. but there-go.— is a shame for you. i know. but there-go. lh— is a shame for you. i know. but there-go. i'm going- is a shame for you. i know. but there go. i'm going to move there we go. i'm going to move on there we go. i'm going to move ohhow— lrorh- on to a question now from whome— on to a question now from antonia, where— on to a question now from antonia, where is antonia? hello do the— antonia, where is antonia? hello do the new— antonia, where is antonia? hello do the new harley— antonia, where is antonia? hello do the new harley davidson- antonia, where is antonia? hello do the new harley davidson ads make you fancy a budweiser ? i'm make you fancy a budweiser? i'm not so sure about that . did- not so sure about that . did you not so sure about that. did you home— not so sure about that. did you note w-wee— not so sure about that. did you notice we've got— not so sure about that. did you notice we've got bud light out in notice we've got bud light out he the— notice we've got bud light out h the h— notice we've got bud light out h the h the— notice we've got bud light out in the in the lobby there? i thh— in the in the lobby there? i think that's— in the in the lobby there? i think that's just— in the in the lobby there? i think that's just a joke by the producer.— think that's just a joke by the producer. lo— think that's just a joke by the producer, to be— think that's just a joke by the producer, to be honest, because, of producer, to be honest, because, ol-hwo— producer, to be honest, because, ol-hwo llehl— of course, bud light was eohplelelw— of course, bud light was completely tanked result of completely tanked as a result of the completely tanked as a result of lheleorhhorgh— completely tanked as a result of the-campaign with- completely tanked as a result of the campaign with dylan the ad campaign with dylan wwwohew— the ad campaign with dylan. wwlwohew—owt mulvaney, because it turns out that— mulvaney, because it turns out that the— mulvaney, because it turns out that the hho— mulvaney, because it turns out that the kind of— mulvaney, because it turns out that the kind of people who orhh— that the kind of people who orhh-hwo— that the kind of people who drink-bud light- that the kind of people who drink bud light lads, drink beer, bud light the lads, thew— drink beer, bud light the lads, lhew ooh-l— drink beer, bud light the lads, they don't like— drink beer, bud light the lads, they don't like being lectured to they don't like being lectured lolsorheohe— they don't like being lectured to someone prancing around to by someone prancing around ohh— to by someone prancing around one thhhe— to by someone prancing around and thinking that— to by someone prancing around and thinking that makes him a woman, right? _ and thinking that makes him a woman, right? �*lthitll g woman, right? well, i thought that unfair because, i

that was very unfair because, i mean, pretty much only mean, pretty much the only realistic part of dylan mulvaney's is the mulvaney's transition is the fact that she drinks bud light. so it's a very weak. i love that you call him her when quite clearly, obviously a woman. look at the pronouns. have you not seen— look at the pronouns. have you not the— look at the pronouns. have you not seen the twitter account? oh, you're right. and dylan thoh-s— oh, you're right. and dylan dylan's really— oh, you're right. and dylan dylan's really into prancing orowho— dylan's really into prancing orowho ohh— dylan's really into prancing around and knitting shopping around and knitting and shopping just around and knitting and shopping test—the- just like a woman. just like women. that's— just like a woman. just like women. that's all. that's all that— women. that's all. that's all lhol—rrehw- women. that's all. that's all lhol—rrehw l- women. that's all. that's all. that—right? i mean, that women are, right? i mean, they— that women are, right? i mean, thew—rhe- that women are, right? i mean, they—me lo- that women are, right? i mean, they—me lo lhel that women are, right? i mean,. they—me to the seat they have to glue me to the seat to they have to glue me to the seat lo stoo— they have to glue me to the seat lo stop he— they have to glue me to the seat to stop he lrorh— they have to glue me to the seat to stop me from prancing. / to stop me from prancing. yeah, hho— to stop me from prancing. yeah, the eu— to stop me from prancing. yeah, the at the— to stop me from prancing. yeah, like all the other— to stop me from prancing. yeah, like all the other women in this crowd. we're all wearing weights on feet to stop ourselves on our feet to stop ourselves from yeah, the from flailing around. yeah, the most thing. i mean, most insulting thing. i mean, there are so many things about that campaign that are that bud light campaign that are insulting. i think what i liked was the reaction from other women on the top of the women because on the top of the can, they put celebrating 365 days womanhood . it's like, days of womanhood. it's like, all right, literally hold my been all right, literally hold my beer, sit down. let's work out how many days i've got. do you know what i mean? yeah. you'd win that one, diana. - know what i mean? yeah. you'd win that one, diana. there were so how— win that one, diana. there were so many infuriating things about this. they have lost billions. lt-s— this. they have lost billions. h-s leen— this. they have lost billions.

it's been kind— this. they have lost billions. it's been kind of— this. they have lost billions. it's been kind of incredible. they've lost all this money, and thew-re— they've lost all this money, and thew-re lust— they've lost all this money, and now they're just trying to butch up by- _ now they're just trying to butch up by- by— now they're just trying to butch ”p by- by going— now they're just trying to butch ”p by- by going to_ now they're just trying to butch up by. two git» g el”.»i;«r up by. by going to harley davidson an i mean, they've sort of overcompensated. they have gone to the— of overcompensated. they have gone to the taliban— of overcompensated. they have gone to the taliban or- f : they have gone to the taliban or they've done. — gone to the taliban or they've gohe. leah— gone to the taliban or they've gohe. leah .— gone to the taliban or they've gone. yeah , it's— gone to the taliban or they've gone. l/»i;relt�* . ilit»”»i; gone. yeah, it's almost more like sort of village people level, sort of bucha huw thomas sexual guy, you know what i mean? so harley davidson is oute— mean? so harley davidson is quite homoerotic,— , so harley davidson is quite homoerotic, actually. leah.— quite homoerotic, actually. yeah. yeah— quite homoerotic, actually. yeah, yeah, totally. - quite homoerotic, actually. / and also yeah, yeah, totally. and also harley davidson _ yeah, yeah, totally. and also harley davidson ,_ l/»i;relt�* gli»?" and also harley davidson , that's harley davidson, that's a rholothhe— harley davidson, that's a motorbike drive on the road. motorbike you drive on the road. low— motorbike you drive on the road. you shothh-l— motorbike you drive on the road. you shouldn't be— motorbike you drive on the road. you shouldn't be pairing beer whh— you shouldn't be pairing beer wllh—o— you shouldn't be pairing beer wllh—o very- you shouldn't be pairing beerj with—a very loose with that. that's a very loose that— with that. that's a very loose that ls— with that. that's a very loose that ls o— with that. that's a very loose that ls o very— with that. that's a very loose that is a very good point. i tron-t— that is a very good point. i didn't think— that is a very good point. i didn't think of— that is a very good point. i didn't think of that. - that is a very good point. i didn't think of that. okay we're going get a question from going to get a question now from kim. is kim? yeah, hello, kim. where is kim? yeah, hello, kim. where is kim? yeah, hello, kim. hi. do you agree with chris loehhorh— kim. hi. do you agree with chris packham about— do you agree with chris packham about tougher sentencing for packham about tougher sentencing lor-errrhes— packham about tougher sentencing lor-errrhese — packham about tougher sentencing for-crimes ? so— packham about tougher sentencing for-crimes ? so this- packham about tougher sentencing for-crimes ? so this is- packham about tougher sentencing for crimes ? for hate crimes? so this is an interesting one. so chris packham, as you know, is the packham, who as you know, is the environmental campaigner, he thinks found guilty thinks that people found guilty of online abuse and what he calls hate crimes should be given punishments. given harsher punishments. and this he won this libel this is after he won this libel trial this he sued these trial this week, he sued these three men over articles which implied that he had manipulated the public into donating to a

wildlife charity. he's won £90,000. now, that's one thing. and i think, you know, if he was wronged, which he was and then he won the libel trial , fair he won the libel trial, fair enough. off the back of enough. but off the back of that, he's now saying, let's clamp down on online abuse. it strikes me actually strikes me as actually a completely thing . completely separate thing. wrong. worry about that wrong. and i worry about that because think get to because i think when you get to that you're starting that point, what you're starting to is actually kerb freedom to do is actually kerb freedom of speech opposed to just of speech as opposed to just going people who defame going after people who defame you. so, okay, so where in your hho— you. so, okay, so where in your rhht ls— you. so, okay, so where in your rhht ls chrrs— so, okay, so where in your mind is chris packham overreaching- mind is chris packham overreaching ? mind is chris packham. overreaching ? _no, mind is chris packham- overreaching ? _no, i don't overreaching? well, no, i don't know if he is. what i'm saying is when he starts talking about harsher punishments for online abuse, could be anything harsher punishments for online abuse, that'sild be anything harsher punishments for online abuse, that's very,t anything harsher punishments for online abuse, that's very, verything because that's very, very subjective. online abuse subjective. i get online abuse every i don't we're every day. i don't i don't we're being successful. right. right. but we don't go the police but we don't go to the police about because recognise but we don't go to the police abotin because recognise but we don't go to the police abotin a3ecause recognise but we don't go to the police abotin a free ise recognise but we don't go to the police abotin a free societyrecognise but we don't go to the police abotin a free society people ;e that in a free society people are to free behave terribly. right. because right. in that way because they're breaching law. they're not breaching the law. libel is different because libel is defaming someone, is you're defaming someone, you're livelihood you're damaging their livelihood and financial and there are financial repercussions that . yeah, and there are financial repercussions that. yeah, he repercussions to that. yeah, he felt he was ideologically- felt he was ideologically owrswet. — felt he was ideologically owrswet. he— felt he was ideologically pursued. he that the editor

pursued. he felt that the editor of pursued. he felt that the editor ol country— pursued. he felt that the editor of country esquire— pursued. he felt that the editor of country esquire magazine or country— of country esquire magazine or country soure— of country esquire magazine or country squire and the writer leh— country squire and the writer lell thet— country squire and the writer let the he— country squire and the writer felt that he was— country squire and the writer felt that he was part of some lell— felt that he was part of some lell cohor— felt that he was part of some left cabal or— felt that he was part of some left cabal or something. and they— left cabal or something. and they started— left cabal or something. and they started and— left cabal or something. and they started and sort of saying that— they started and sort of saying that he— they started and sort of saying that he hot— they started and sort of saying that he had committed fraud when he hath-l. — that he had committed fraud when he hath-l. aho— that he had committed fraud when he hadn't. and they— that he had committed fraud when he hadn't. and they had no ewtehee— he hadn't. and they had no evidence for— he hadn't. and they had no evidence for all— he hadn't. and they had no evidence for all of this. now that— evidence for all of this. now that to— evidence for all of this. now that to he— evidence for all of this. now that to me is— evidence for all of this. now that to me is very clearly sorhethg— that to me is very clearly something that should be clamped towh. — something that should be clamped towh. that-s— something that should be clamped down. that's not— something that should be clamped down. that's not the— something that should be clamped down. that's not the same as. that's my point. yeah that's the libel aspect of this. but then to go step further and say all to go a step further and say all onune to go a step further and say all online we to toughen online abuse, we need to toughen that. so you think that he's the— that. so you think that he's the hes— that. so you think that he's like he's-taking- so you think that he's like he's taking his like he's he's taking his exempte— like he's he's taking his example-he's- like he's he's taking his example he's trying to example and he's trying to sweet— example and he's trying to sweet the— example and he's trying to spread the net— example and he's trying to spread the net people being spread the net of people being a rthsler— spread the net of people being a wee ls— spread the net of people being a minister is that. _ spread the net of people being a minister is that. but i think there is an implication that. there is an implication of that. yeah. he's part of this yeah. because he's part of this lefty wants to stifle lefty cabal that wants to stifle free speech. do you think do you think i'm overreacting or do you think i'm overreacting or do you think he does want to stifle free speech? no, absolutely. hs— free speech? no, absolutely. h-s the— free speech? no, absolutely. h-s hhe ll-s— free speech? no, absolutely. it's like it's like _ free speech? no, absolutely. it's like it's like me- �*"”»i;»i; f“ no, absolutely. it's like it's like me saying i tron-l— it's like it's like me saying i oroh-l enjoy— it's like it's like me saying i didn't enjoy that— it's like it's like me saying i didn't enjoy that pina colada. we-we— didn't enjoy that pina colada. we-we got— didn't enjoy that pina colada. we've now got to— didn't enjoy that pina colada. we've now got to abolish all all oleoholle— we've now got to abolish all all alcoholic-under- we've now got to abolish all all alcoholic-under a- we've now got to abolish all all alcoholic under a sharia alcoholic drinks under a sharia low— alcoholic drinks under a sharia law-something— alcoholic drinks under a sharia law something like it's law or something like that. it's eorhhteretw— law or something like that. it's completely unrelated the pina completely unrelated to the pina sototo— completely unrelated to the pina cohorts-hho— completely unrelated to the pina colada-kind of— completely unrelated to the pina colada kind of gross. "cg colada is a kind of gross. they toasty.— colada is a kind of gross. they

are. exactly. but— colada is a kind of gross. they are. exactly. but other, other other drinks aren't bad. so, you know, we shouldn't— other drinks aren't bad. so, you know, we shouldn't-all- know, we shouldn't ban all trhhs— know, we shouldn't ban all trhhs. lust— know, we shouldn't ban all drinks. just because you had one hot— drinks. just because you had one hot hho— drinks. just because you had one bad pina colada.— drinks. just because you had one bad pina colada. yeah. so, i. mean,_case where mean, this specific case where they— mean, this specific case where they sort.— mean, this specific case where they sort. .— mean, this specific case where they said, i think— mean, this specific case where they said, i think it hinged on he es— they said, i think it hinged on he he— they said, i think it hinged on he was he was— they said, i think it hinged on he was he was trying to raise money— he was he was trying to raise money lor— he was he was trying to raise money for these— he was he was trying to raise money for these five tigers and they— money for these five tigers and thew—ho. - money for these five tigers and thew—ho. these- money for these five tigers andi they—no, these five they were saying, no, these five lleers— they were saying, no, these five lleers-hehe— they were saying, no, these five tigers being looked tigers are being well looked eller— tigers are being well looked eller .— tigers are being well looked eller . so— tigers are being well looked after . so he's— tigers are being well looked after. so he's just trying to i rheehlhhow— after. so he's just trying to i mean, know that's how charity mean, we know that's how charity worst — mean, we know that's how charity worsweh— hhow- mean, we know that's how charity works. _we know that. mean, we know that's how charity wor donkeys we know that mean, we know that's how charity wor donkeys just we know that mean, we know that's how charity wor donkeys just dressed w that mean, we know that's how charity wor donkeys just dressed w tito the donkeys just dressed up to look— the donkeys just dressed up to look the— the donkeys just dressed up to look like it's— the donkeys just dressed up to look like it's being kicked. but ent— look like it's being kicked. but eht het— look like it's being kicked. but eht hut-hes— look like it's being kicked. but and but-has got- look like it's being kicked. but and but-has got a- look like it's being kicked. but and but has got a point. and but leo has got a point. all— and but leo has got a point. all cherrtw— and but leo has got a point. all charity involves- and but leo has got a point. all charity involves a- and but leo has got a point. all charity involves a certain amount emotional manipulation amount of emotional manipulation option. yes, but . okay. but we option. yes, but. okay. but we hewe— option. yes, but. okay. but we hewe het— option. yes, but. okay. but we hewe het e— option. yes, but. okay. but we have had a libel— option. yes, but. okay. but we have had a libel trial- t�* l/»i;~er okay. but we have had a libel trial and he so— have had a libel trial and he so let-s— have had a libel trial and he won. so let's assume that he's rlehl. — won. so let's assume that he's rlehl. aho— won. so let's assume that he's rlehl. who he— won. so let's assume that he's right. and he was.— won. so let's assume that he's right. and he was. he was not, in right. and he was. he was not, he lest.— right. and he was. he was not, he lest. lethe— right. and he was. he was not, in fact, being manipulative. but the hth— in fact, being manipulative. but the pth thet— in fact, being manipulative. but the point that i'm— in fact, being manipulative. but the point that i'm making is het— the point that i'm making is that. stretch. _ the point that i'm making is that stretch. and i worry that is a stretch. and i worry ehowt— that is a stretch. and i worry ehowl-wow— that is a stretch. and i worry ehowl-wow get- that is a stretch. and i worry about you get instances about when you get instances the— about when you get instances llhe-ol— about when you get instances like-of genuine- about when you get instances like of genuine injustice like this of genuine injustice ent— like this of genuine injustice eht—e- like this of genuine injustice eht—e step- like this of genuine injustice. and—a step further and then you go a step further ent— and then you go a step further end—heed- and then you go a step further eht—heet lo- and then you go a step furtheri and—need to clamp and say, now we need to clamp town— and say, now we need to clamp town-speech..— and say, now we need to clamp down-speechr- .— and say, now we need to clamp down speech,. i worry about down on speech,. i worry about the— down on speech,. i worry about the the— down on speech,. i worry about the the ol— down on speech,. i worry about that kind of thing. but i want to leth— that kind of thing. but i want to talk about these tigers. no, no. enough of the tigers. i thh— no. enough of the tigers. i hot you— no. enough of the tigers. i think you should- no. enough of the tigers. i think you should write a book about speech. you're about free speech. you're very on i think legislating on it. i think legislating

eeehst— on it. i think legislating against against- . ithink legislating against against politeness in a soelel— against against politeness in a social social— against against politeness in a social social place like on lwlller— social social place like on lther or— social social place like on twitter or wherever isn't going to work. — twitter or wherever isn't going to work. l— twitter or wherever isn't going to work. i mean,— twitter or wherever isn't going to work. i mean, it's going to hs— to work. i mean, it's going to ll-s going— to work. i mean, it's going to ll-s going to— to work. i mean, it's going to ll-s going to he— to work. i mean, it's going to it's going to be it— to work. i mean, it's going to it's going to be it isn't an over overburdening workload for whoeer— over overburdening workload for hoever ls— over overburdening workload for hoever ls lo — over overburdening workload for whoever is to has— over overburdening workload for whoever is to has to police it. hey,— whoever is to has to police it. lew-eeree— whoever is to has to police it. lew-eeree whh- whoever is to has to police it. hey, agree with it. hey, look, i agree with it. i sth— hey, look, i agree with it. i wish everyone— hey, look, i agree with it. i wish everyone were- hey, look, i agree with it. i wish everyone were polite online. know you don't agree online. i know you don't agree with that, but do wish with me on that, but i do wish everyone polite online. everyone were polite online. but they're no, because they're not. no, no. because human beings aren't very nice. sometimes you can't legislate eeehst— sometimes you can't legislate eeehstwtt— sometimes you can't legislate against.all right.— sometimes you can't legislate against. ”g“ g»it». exactly. all right. we've got another question now from paul. where paul? oh, hi, andrew. where is paul? oh, hi, andrew. do where is paul? oh, hi, andrew. loo-e— where is paul? oh, hi, andrew. loo-e hwhhe— where is paul? oh, hi, andrew. do-a public inquiry. where is paul? oh, hi, andrew.i do-a public inquiry into do we need a public inquiry into oheretoh— do we need a public inquiry into oherelloh—lhrsl operation midland? yeah, this is a operation midland? yeah, this is every— operation midland? yeah, this is a very interesting— operation midland? yeah, this is a very interesting one. so lrer— a very interesting one. so former senior— a very interesting one. so former senior scotland yard officer under officer is now under investigation for gross misconduct act after leading the much criticised vip child abuse inquiry. this inquiry. you remember this operation midland and this is this guy, rodhouse and this guy, steve rodhouse and he's of breaching he's accused of breaching professional and professional standards and making statements making dishonest statements when he met's operation he ran the met's operation midland inquiry. now you remember this one because all these very sort of high profile people caught into this. people got caught into this. there was a fantasist called what beech it was what was it, carl beech it was clearly making he clearly just making stuff up. he was talking sort of murder was talking about sort of murder and at westminster. and rape at westminster. ted heath involved. dragged

heath was involved. he dragged in brittan and in people like lord brittan and harvey . in lord harvey proctor. in fact, lord brittan, died before he brittan, i think, died before he knew his name had knew that his name had been cleared. innocent cleared. all these innocent people dragged through the mud. and then you got the head of scotland coming on tv scotland yard coming out on tv saying accusations are saying these accusations are credible . in other credible and true. in other words, forget about process, words, forget about due process, forget about investigation. words, forget about due process, forget just it investigation. words, forget about due process, forget just decided gation. words, forget about due process, forget just decided to tion. words, forget about due process, forget just decided to believe we've just decided to believe this though when i this guy, even though when i heard speak, i he was heard him speak, i knew he was lying. was anyone with half a lying. it was anyone with half a brain that he's brain would know that he's lying. was so ridiculous lying. it was so ridiculous and fantastical daft . really. fantastical and daft. really. it pretty believable to it sounded pretty believable to .— it sounded pretty believable to me. i mean , that's because you me. i mean, that's because you heve— me. i mean, that's because you heve e— me. i mean, that's because you heve e low— me. i mean, that's because you have a low opinion— me. i mean, that's because you have a low opinion of politicians. - have a low opinion of politicians. have a low opinion of- politicians. but we just had. and you think they're in and you think they're all in satanic cults. we just had operetoh— satanic cults. we just had operation yewtree - t“ {. c....~er we just had operation yewtree and the jemmy sevle — operation yewtree and the jemmy sevle _who i savile scandal. right? so who wowe— savile scandal. right? so who would-thought?- savile scandal. right? so who would thought? mean, would have thought? i mean, eheh— would have thought? i mean, eherl lrorh— would have thought? i mean, eheh lrorh test— would have thought? i mean, apart from just looking at him ent— apart from just looking at him| eht—wowtt and being obvious, who would heve— and being obvious, who would have—jemmy- and being obvious, who would. have _jemmy savile have thought that jemmy savile was have thought that jemmy savile wes-lhet— have thought that jemmy savile was-that-you. was doing all that stuff? you hhow.— was doing all that stuff? you know het— was doing all that stuff? you know, but that's— was doing all that stuff? you know, but that's what this was reellv— know, but that's what this was reellv ehowt— know, but that's what this was really about, wasn't it? heewse— really about, wasn't it? because-the- really about, wasn't it? i because-the jemmy really about, wasn't it? because the jemmy savile because when the jemmy savile thing happened, said, thing happened, people said, well, the police ignored well, look, the police ignored all all of this all of these all of this evidence, of these evidence, all of these testimonies. just testimonies. so let's just overcompensate. the overcompensate. let's get the crownevery overcompensate. let's get the crown every thing overcompensate. let's get the crownevery thing court, even bring every thing to court, even when the person is obviously

innocent. even have police innocent. you even have police withholding information, which would of rape. it was it was accused of rape. it was it was the— accused of rape. it was it was the see— accused of rape. it was it was the sele the— accused of rape. it was it was the safe thing at— accused of rape. it was it was the safe thing at the- ff: it was it was the safe thing at the time. it seemed— the safe thing at the time. it seemed the— the safe thing at the time. it seemed the safe— the safe thing at the time. it seemed the safe thing for him to do seemed the safe thing for him to to to— seemed the safe thing for him to to to lee— seemed the safe thing for him to do to take that— seemed the safe thing for him to do to take that tack, to say, yes, _ do to take that tack, to say, yes. we — do to take that tack, to say, yes, we believe— do to take that tack, to say, yes, we believe everyone, but lhel-s— yes, we believe everyone, but lhel-s-lor— yes, we believe everyone, but that's-for the - yes, we believe everyone, but that's for the people that's not safe for the people who— that's not safe for the people who-wrohetv— that's not safe for the people who wrongly accused, it? who are wrongly accused, is it? leeh—twst- who are wrongly accused, is it? yeah,_just showsi yeah, no, but that just shows how:— yeah, no, but that just shows how. vow— yeah, no, but that just shows how. vow hhow.— yeah, no, but that just shows how, you know, incentives can work. — how, you know, incentives can work. whet— how, you know, incentives can work. what-think- how, you know, incentives can. work. what-think about work. what do you think about this, i don't know what this, diane? i don't know what leo but i'm leo is saying there, but i'm just going to tactfully ignore him one. what do him on that one. what what do you think? and also to the question, i'd say yes, there does have to be a public inquiry into because into operation midland because it ruined people's lives. it did it ruined people's lives. yes. based on this fantasy list. who—thew- and if you know, they interviewed - and if you know, they interviewed why was and if you know, they- interviewed -why was there interviewed him, why was there not e— interviewed him, why was there not e hege— interviewed him, why was there not a huge evidence not a huge amount of evidence s uncovered-these- not a huge amount of evidence s uncovered these people's uncovered before these people's names became public? t“»i;”»i; names became public? there was i mean, he's talking about these murders. there were no bodies there. there was no record of people it was people's people dying. it was people's lives, reputations, jobs. and that's fair. and lives, reputations, jobs. and that's-fair. and he- that's fair. and he should that's not fair. and he should be that's not fair. and he should he-lo— that's not fair. and he should be-to account.- that's not fair. and he should be to account. and he's got that's not fair. and he should btcushy to account. and he's got that's not fair. and he should btcushy little count. and he's got that's not fair. and he should btcushy little jobit. and he's got that's not fair. and he should btcushy little job rightd he's got that's not fair. and he should btcushy little job right now�*s got that's not fair. and he should btcushy little job right now atjot a cushy little job right now at the-three— a cushy little job right now at the crime agency, where the national crime agency, where he—ereht- the national crime agency, where he—ereht e- the national crime agency, where he—ereht e veer.| he gets about 200 grand a year. wett— he gets about 200 grand a year. well ho— he gets about 200 grand a year. well l— he gets about 200 grand a year. well no, i think— he gets about 200 grand a year. well no, i think he— he gets about 200 grand a year. well no, i think he should be hvesteetet— well no, i think he should be investigated . _ well no, i think he should be investigated . �*lvalel.

investigated. what if he's really good at the national crime agency doesn't crime agency and that doesn't use evidence. that's no , use evidence. but that's no, i've got evidence. i should imagine he does using evidence. he's seen how not using evidence works. like, well, he's seen how not using evidence vtbetter like, well, he's seen how not using evidence vtbetter use like, well, he's seen how not using evidence vtbetter use the like, well, he's seen how not using evidence vtbetter use the evidence well, he's seen how not using evidence vtbetter use the evidence in ell, he's seen how not using evidence vtbetter use the evidence in the i better use the evidence in the next ones, you know what i mean? so the best person so he's probably the best person either should job either maybe should get a job that circumstantial. if you that is circumstantial. if you get job in that is circumstantial. if you getljob in another- if you get job in another field, get a job in another field, sorhethhe— get a job in another field, something where you don't have to something where you don't have lo-lor— something where you don't have to _for evidence.- something where you don't have to for evidence. right to search for evidence. right hlehl. — to search for evidence. righti right. _something. right. waitrose or something. rest. — right. waitrose or something. lost. lost— right. waitrose or something. just. just something else. something-— just. just something else. something. something different. but something. something different. hut—we- something. something different. hut—we shoetti but i think we should, we should look public movements look at how public movements such hashtag such as the hashtag metoo movement influence movement can can influence people he people because at the time he clearly that it was the clearly thought that it was the it was the right thing to do. so what are we doing now? i mean, net zero, for example, are we are taking the right right are we taking the right right tack with net yeah. well, tack with net zero? yeah. well, we he thought. we don't know what he thought. lhrs— we don't know what he thought. lth—we— we don't know what he thought. lth—we heve- this is the point. we have ehsolwlelv— this is the point. we have absolutely no— this is the point. we have absolutely no idea. but do absolutely no idea. but i do hhow— absolutely no idea. but i do know thet— absolutely no idea. but i do know the e— absolutely no idea. but i do know that a lot— absolutely no idea. but i do know that a lot of police at the the— know that a lot of police at the the were— know that a lot of police at the time were pressured to get eothellohs— time were pressured to get convictions irrespective of whether— convictions irrespective of. whether_ believed convictions irrespective of- whether_believed it whether or not they believed it to whether or not they believed it lo-leeh. — whether or not they believed it lo-leeh. aho— whether or not they believed it to _yeah. and there - whether or not they believed it to yeah. and there are to be true. yeah. and there are lots— to be true. yeah. and there are lots ol— to be true. yeah. and there are lots ol eeses— to be true. yeah. and there are lots of cases where the police thew— lots of cases where the police thew thet— lots of cases where the police knew that _these - lots of cases where the police knew that these cases knew that some of these cases were-et— knew that some of these cases were and withheld were not true and withheld ethehee — were not true and withheld ethehee il— were not true and withheld evidence. i said, that has

evidence. as i said, that has been— evidence. as i said, that has been recorded.— evidence. as i said, that has been recorded. that a matter evidence. as i said, that has befact.corded. that a matter evidence. as i said, that has befact. it's ed. that a matter evidence. as i said, that has befact. it's like that a matter evidence. as i said, that has befact. it's like the a matter evidence. as i said, that has befact. it's like the opposite ter of fact. it's like the opposite of fact. it's like the opposite ol the— of fact. it's like the opposite of the grooming— of fact. it's like the opposite of the grooming gangs. how's thew— of the grooming gangs. how's thew wett— of the grooming gangs. how's that? well, because they had lots oh, they lots of evidence. oh, and they ignored didn't do ignored it. they didn't do anything but they again, anything right, but they again, in were in that situation, they were told because they might told not to because they might be racism rather than be accused of racism rather than just, you know, applying the law equally everyone the equally to everyone in the country. cultural country. that's another cultural and incentive to and social incentive to act a certain way. absolutely. certain way. yeah, absolutely. okay. look, got okay. well, look, we've got to test— okay. well, look, we've got to test heve— okay. well, look, we've got to test heve e— okay. well, look, we've got to just have a quick— okay. well, look, we've got to just have a quick break now. but stu— just have a quick break now. but sllllleorhe.— just have a quick break now. but still-come, i'm— just have a quick break now. but still come, i'm going to be still to come, i'm going to be rheethe— still to come, i'm going to be meeting-thomas,- still to come, i'm going to be. meeting-thomas,-was meeting anna thomas, who was tree— meeting anna thomas, who was tree-her— meeting anna thomas, who was fired-her-service- meeting anna thomas, who was fired her service job fired from her civil service job for whistleblowing the for whistleblowing on the hohteet— political ization of the department- department for work and lehsrohs — department for work and pensions. she's now been awarded department for work and ptsix ons. she's now been awarded department for work and ptsix figurehe's now been awarded department for work and ptsix figure payout.l been awarded department for work and ptsix figure payout.l been therded

listening to gb news radio . the listening to gb news radio. the dup , aslef, everything's. dup, aslef, everything's. welcome back to free speech wetoh— welcome back to free speech wetoh whh— welcome back to free speech nation with me— welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. it's nation with me andrew doyle. h-s leen— nation with me andrew doyle. it's been announced— nation with me andrew doyle. it's been announced today- nation with me andrew doyle. it's been announced today that the free speech union has managed to secure a six figure settlement for a civil servant who was fired for gross misconduct after blowing the whistle on the politicisation of the for department work and

pensions and huw thomas was the name of the sacked civil servant. i'm delighted to say that now. anna, that she joins me now. anna, hello. so talk us through what happened. you were at the department for work and pensions and you started to notice some kind a creeping ideological kind of a creeping ideological element training, element to the staff training, is right? that's right. so is that right? that's right. so when i came back from ”»:“.7” so when i came back from maternity reeve— when i came back from maternity leeve theh— when i came back from maternity leave, which was— when i came back from maternity leave, which was august 2020, i sett— leave, which was august 2020, i set lth— leave, which was august 2020, i set lth the— leave, which was august 2020, i call this the george post—george hove— call this the george post—george rlovt ere— call this the george post—george floyd era, where,— call this the george post—george floyd era, where, you know, there— floyd era, where, you know, there es— floyd era, where, you know, there e— floyd era, where, you know, there was a lot— floyd era, where, you know, there was a lot of, you know, sehsetohet— there was a lot of, you know, sensational media around his teeth— sensational media around his teeth .— sensational media around his teeth . the— sensational media around his death . the department for work death. the department for work and death. the department for work eht tehstohs— death. the department for work and pensions had— death. the department for work and pensions had set up what's oettet— and pensions had set up what's eettet eh— and pensions had set up what's called an anti— and pensions had set up what's called an anti race— and pensions had set up what's called an anti race hub , and it called an anti race hub, and it heset— called an anti race hub, and it was based basically full of htoes— was based basically full of htoes .— was based basically full of htoos . hosts.— was based basically full of blogs , posts, comments, blogs, posts, comments, literature— blogs, posts, comments, literature ,_ blogs, posts, comments, literature , teacher, and a lot literature, teacher, and a lot of literature, teacher, and a lot ol lt— literature, teacher, and a lot ol tt es— literature, teacher, and a lot of it was based— literature, teacher, and a lot of it was based in critical race theory.— of it was based in critical race theorv. lt— of it was based in critical race theorv. lt es— of it was based in critical race theory. it was very— of it was based in critical race theory. it was very one sided to thet— theory. it was very one sided to thet. aho— theory. it was very one sided to that. and that's— theory. it was very one sided to that. and that's where i grew verv— that. and that's where i grew very concerned— that. and that's where i grew very concerned .— that. and that's where i grew very concerned . yeah. well, very concerned. yeah. well, there— very concerned. yeah. well, there were— very concerned. yeah. well, there were things like saying thet— there were things like saying thet vow— there were things like saying thet vow het— there were things like saying that you had to— there were things like saying that you had to acknowledge that you that you had to acknowledge that vow — that you had to acknowledge that vow reest— that you had to acknowledge that you were racist and— that you had to acknowledge that you were racist and there was a job you were racist and there was a lot seeetrs— you were racist and there was a job seekers event— you were racist and there was a job seekers event where white men were excluded from attending these— men were excluded from attending these the— men were excluded from attending these the ot— men were excluded from attending these kind of like—

men were excluded from attending these kind of like the tenets of erttteet— these kind of like the tenets of critical race— these kind of like the tenets of critical race theory. t“ : critical race theory. this idea thet— critical race theory. this idea that racism is omnipresent, it is there. and you know, the question shouldn't be, is this scenario racist? but how is it racist? yeah and you were being taught that as a civil servant. yeah, essentially. basically, six yeah, essentially. basically, stv rhohths— yeah, essentially. basically, six months after— yeah, essentially. basically, six months after i- l/»i;rel t“ basically, six months after i kind of whtstte— six months after i kind of whistle blew— six months after i kind of whistle blew for the official oheneets— whistle blew for the official ehehhets. .— whistle blew for the official channels, i put— whistle blew for the official channels, i put several comments on the— channels, i put several comments on the internet— channels, i put several comments on the internet about the politicisation _ on the internet about the politicisation ocean, some comments were, you know, in eoreerheht. — comments were, you know, in agreement. others weren't. and the ones— agreement. others weren't. and the thet— agreement. others weren't. and the ones that weren't were aimed at the ones that weren't were aimed et rhe— the ones that weren't were aimed et vow— the ones that weren't were aimed et vow hhow.— the ones that weren't were aimed at me, you know, getting eorhhtehts— at me, you know, getting complaints right now, six months elter— complaints right now, six months elter thts— complaints right now, six months elter thts. ts— complaints right now, six months after this, is when— complaints right now, six months after this, is when this event wtth— after this, is when this event wtth lor— after this, is when this event wtth tor the— after this, is when this event with for the police came up and it with for the police came up and lt sett— with for the police came up and lt sett. vow— with for the police came up and it said, you know,— with for the police came up and it said, you know, it's for lgb t lor— it said, you know, it's for lgb t lor worheh— it said, you know, it's for lgb t for women and _ it said, you know, it's for lgb t for women and for bame and then— t for women and for bame and then l— t for women and for bame and then l es— t for women and for bame and then i was just— t for women and for bame and then i was just like, okay, wett— then i was just like, okay, well l-ve— then i was just like, okay, well, i've got— then i was just like, okay, well, i've got to promote this to rhv— well, i've got to promote this to my customers— well, i've got to promote this to my customers and this is very tteotoeteet— to my customers and this is very ideological and— to my customers and this is very ideological and i— to my customers and this is very ideological and i raised it with my ideological and i raised it with rhv teem— ideological and i raised it with rhv teerh eht— ideological and i raised it with my team and bame, black, asian rhhorttv.— my team and bame, black, asian minority, ethnic. _ my team and bame, black, asian minority, ethnic. ”g“. minority, ethnic. that's right. so of course what they were doing is dividing people into group which is, of group identity, which is, of course, of new course, the nature of this new ideology. yeah. which of course

does heighten does actually heighten racial division anyway. oh, division in my view anyway. oh, yeah, absolutely . you blew yeah, absolutely. so you blew the whistle this because it the whistle on this because it is isn't it, that the is important, isn't it, that the civil service impartial? yes civil service is impartial? yes 100. it's kind of key to the job, isn't it? well, it must be. low— job, isn't it? well, it must be. vow hhow.— job, isn't it? well, it must be. vow hhow. tt-s— job, isn't it? well, it must be. you know, it's you— . .7’ well, it must be. you know, it's you know, evervohe— you know, it's you know, eveorvhe hes— you know, it's you know, everyone has politics and things like everyone has politics and things the thet— everyone has politics and things the thet .— everyone has politics and things like that . but— everyone has politics and things like that . but when you enter as like that. but when you enter as a like that. but when you enter as e etvtt— like that. but when you enter as a civil servant— like that. but when you enter as a civil servant ,_ like that. but when you enter as a civil servant, you— like that. but when you enter as a civil servant, you are there to to— a civil servant, you are there to to the— a civil servant, you are there to do the government work. yes now:— to do the government work. yes wow. whether— to do the government work. yes now, whether you _ to do the government work. yes now, whether you like that party or—s— now, whether you like that party or—s to— now, whether you like that party or—s to to- now, whether you like that party or_is to do the- or not, your job is to do the wort— or not, your job is to do the wort .— or not, your job is to do the wort . wht— or not, your job is to do the work . and if— or not, your job is to do the work . and if you- or not, your job is to do the work . and if you start bringing work. and if you start bringing hottes— work. and if you start bringing oottttes hto— work. and if you start bringing politics into it,— work. and if you start bringing politics into it, that can obfuscate _ politics into it, that can obfuscate the - politics into it, that can obfuscate the good work that own— obfuscate the good work that civil servants _ obfuscate the good work that civil servants should be doing. tec— civil servants should be doing. two wtt— civil servants should be doing. two we vow— civil servants should be doing. rac did you feel,— civil servants should be doing. rac did you feel, though,- civil servants should be doing. rac did you feel, though, that the would have your the government would have your back because as you back on this because as you know, we'd badenoch know, we'd seen kemi badenoch talk parliament about how talk in parliament about how teaching at teaching critical race theory at schools against law schools is against the law because it is a sort of partial approach. but do you did you think that that was going to be the that they would the case, that they would support i think they support you? i didn't think they would go heavy handed as they would go as heavy handed as they did. ithought would go as heavy handed as they did. i thought they would eetwettv— did. i thought they would actually listen— »: »: i thought they would actually listen to me because i did actually listen to me because i ttt et— actually listen to me because i ttt et one— actually listen to me because i did at one point— actually listen to me because i did at one point bring up this eowtt— did at one point bring up this sowtt he— did at one point bring up this sowtt he e— did at one point bring up this could be a media story. we want

to worst— could be a media story. we want to evott thts. — could be a media story. we want to avoid this. you— could be a media story. we want to avoid this. you know, we're to avoid this. you know, we're to here— to avoid this. you know, we're to here serve— to avoid this. you know, we're to here serve the— to avoid this. you know, we're to here serve the public and it reettv— to here serve the public and it reetlv es— to here serve the public and it really was quite,— to here serve the public and it really was quite, you know, eeeth— really was quite, you know, eoeh. heevv— really was quite, you know, again, heavy handed. they they just again, heavy handed. they they twst wehtet— again, heavy handed. they they just wanted me— again, heavy handed. they they just wanted me to— again, heavy handed. they they just wanted me to shut down. yes i just wanted me to shut down. yes l ween— just wanted me to shut down. yes i mean, was there— just wanted me to shut down. yes i mean, was there any— i mean, was there any insinuation that if you're if you are objecting to these kind of training courses, you are yourself exhibiting racism , not yourself exhibiting racism, not just racism , but all sorts of just racism, but all sorts of other things ? i think, you know, other things? i think, you know, the wev— other things? i think, you know, the wev l— other things? i think, you know, the wev l loot— other things? i think, you know, the way i look at— other things? i think, you know, the way i look at it— other things? i think, you know, the way i look at it is- “ge7 i think, you know, the way i look at it is very intersectional_ the way i look at it is very intersectional .— the way i look at it is very intersectional . so, you know, it intersectional. so, you know, it wsht— intersectional. so, you know, it wsht stt— intersectional. so, you know, it wsht stt the— intersectional. so, you know, it wasn't just the anti race hub, it wasn't just the anti race hub, lt es— wasn't just the anti race hub, lt the— wasn't just the anti race hub, it was the lgbt_ wasn't just the anti race hub, it was the lgbt hub. you know, lowr— it was the lgbt hub. you know, how es— it was the lgbt hub. you know, dwp was actually— it was the lgbt hub. you know, dwp was actually part of the stohewett— dwp was actually part of the stonewall championship. yes. i sent— stonewall championship. yes. i can't remember— stonewall championship. yes. i can't remember the official name of can't remember the official name ol lt.— can't remember the official name ol lt. aho— can't remember the official name ol lt. aht lt— can't remember the official name of it. and it was— can't remember the official name of it. and it was used a very lteotoeleet— of it. and it was used a very ideological resources to go by. who— ideological resources to go by. who lt-s— ideological resources to go by. let lth stt— ideological resources to go by. and it's just like,— ideological resources to go by. and it's just like, you know, there— and it's just like, you know, there es— and it's just like, you know, there was insinuation if you're eeehst— there was insinuation if you're eoehst tth— there was insinuation if you're against this, then, you know, whet— against this, then, you know, whet ere— against this, then, you know, whet vow— against this, then, you know, what are you hiding ing, you hhow.— what are you hiding ing, you know whet— what are you hiding ing, you know, what is— what are you hiding ing, you know, what is your deepest, tertest— know, what is your deepest, darkest thoughts kind of thing . darkest thoughts kind of thing. it darkest thoughts kind of thing. lt es— darkest thoughts kind of thing. lt ethe— darkest thoughts kind of thing. it was quite religious , i would it was quite religious, i would say,— it was quite religious, i would sev. lh— it was quite religious, i would sev. tn the— it was quite religious, i would sev. tn the wev— it was quite religious, i would say, in the way that they eoproeehet — say, in the way that they approached it,- say, in the way that they approached it, very much like, you— approached it, very much like, vow hhow— approached it, very much like, vow hhow .— approached it, very much like, you know , you're— approached it, very much like, you know , you're trying to see you know, you're trying to see whet— you know, you're trying to see whet vow-re—

you know, you're trying to see what you're trying to think. whet— what you're trying to think. whet th— what you're trying to think. what i'm thinking, clairvoyance. so what i'm thinking, clairvoyance. so vow— what i'm thinking, clairvoyance. so vow eeh-t— what i'm thinking, clairvoyance. so you can't think— what i'm thinking, clairvoyance. so you can't think that way. but a so you can't think that way. but e lot— so you can't think that way. but e lot ol— so you can't think that way. but e tot ol oeohte— so you can't think that way. but e tot ol heoote l— so you can't think that way. but a lot of people i speak to have evoerleheet— a lot of people i speak to have experienced _thingl experienced this kind of thing say experienced this kind of thing sev thet— experienced this kind of thing sev thet lt— experienced this kind of thing say that it feels— experienced this kind of thing say that it feels like a retlolows— say that it feels like a religious experience. l/»it». say that it feels like a- religious experience. you know, thet— religious experience. you know, thet thev— religious experience. you know, that they say there are these invisible structures that invisible power structures that are along the lines of are that are along the lines of group if you deny group identity. and if you deny them that, that's just them that, just that's just proof complicit in proof that you are complicit in part problem in other part of the problem in other words, if you deny that you're a witch, that's proof that you're words, if you deny that you're a wwitch. iat's proof that you're words, if you deny that you're a wwitch. yeah. so.that you're words, if you deny that you're a wwitch. yeah. so. at you're words, if you deny that you're a wwitch. yeah. so. so you're words, if you deny that you're a wwitch. yeah. so. so this'e words, if you deny that you're a wwitch. yeah. so. so this is so a witch. yeah. so. so this is so this. you blew the whistle. this. so you blew the whistle. what happened then? so there's kind of a parallel— what happened then? so there's kind of a parallel because- : .“»it“7 so there's kind of a parallel because some peohte— kind of a parallel because some leone-lowr— kind of a parallel because some people-dwp took- kind of a parallel because some people dwp took offence people in the dwp took offence to whet— people in the dwp took offence to whet l-t — people in the dwp took offence to what i'd said— people in the dwp took offence to what i'd said .— people in the dwp took offence to what i'd said . and one of the to what i'd said. and one of the eorhrhehst l— to what i'd said. and one of the comments i made— to what i'd said. and one of the comments i made is , is after comments i made is, is after sorhehotv— comments i made is, is after somebody said— comments i made is, is after somebody said about female ltehtllvho— somebody said about female identifying, and— somebody said about female identifying, and i said, well, vore— identifying, and i said, well, vowe elther— identifying, and i said, well, you're either female or you're not:— you're either female or you're not thet-s— you're either female or you're not, that's quite— you're either female or you're not, that's quite a middle of the— not, that's quite a middle of the roet— not, that's quite a middle of the roet .— not, that's quite a middle of the road . well,— not, that's quite a middle of the road . well, mean that used the road. well, i mean that used to he— the road. well, i mean that used to he eh— the road. well, i mean that used to be an uncontroversial othow— to be an uncontroversial opinion, right? not so much now, but opinion, right? not so much now, hwt lt-s— opinion, right? not so much now, hwt lth stt— opinion, right? not so much now, but it's just like— opinion, right? not so much now, but it's just like you either erelvow-re— but it's just like you either are-you're not.- but it's just like you either are you're not. and you know are or you're not. and you know , are or you're not. and you know . vou— are or you're not. and you know . vow hhow.— are or you're not. and you know , you know, things— are or you're not. and you know , you know, things like that. who— , you know, things like that. who so— , you know, things like that. who so peoote— , you know, things like that. and so people took offence to thet. — and so people took offence to thet. l— and so people took offence to thet. l het— and so people took offence to that. i had complaints made eeetht— that. i had complaints made eoehst rhe— that. i had complaints made eoehst rhe .— that. i had complaints made against me . um,— that. i had complaints made against me . um, but then

against me. um, but then oerettet— against me. um, but then perettet to— against me. um, but then parallel to that and the disclosure— parallel to that and the disclosure documents, it eetwettv— disclosure documents, it actually went- disclosure documents, it actually went to a behavioural selehtht— actually went to a behavioural scientist and— actually went to a behavioural scientist and said, anna isn't wrong— scientist and said, anna isn't wrohe .— scientist and said, anna isn't wrong . rtohte— scientist and said, anna isn't wrong , right? the the permanent wrong, right? the the permanent seereterv— wrong, right? the the permanent secretary should— wrong, right? the the permanent secretary should not have etohtet— secretary should not have adopted anti— secretary should not have adopted anti race into this. so you— adopted anti race into this. so vow were— adopted anti race into this. so you were vindicated- adopted anti race into this. so you were vindicated .- adopted anti race into this. so you were vindicated . i- adopted anti race into this. you were vindicated. i was vindicated, yeah. but but when were you but you were fired at one point. yeah. and was that before the vindication. no no. so you know i went . \»it» no. so you know i went through two thestleetloh— so you know i went through two investigation runs.— so you know i went through two investigation runs. they found me investigation runs. they found he owtttv— investigation runs. they found he owtttv ol— investigation runs. they found me guilty of all— investigation runs. they found me guilty of all charges, etthoweh— me guilty of all charges, although they- me guilty of all charges, although they cannot. and they stlll— although they cannot. and they stlll to — although they cannot. and they stlll to hot— although they cannot. and they still do not to— although they cannot. and they still do not to this— although they cannot. and they still do not to this day. tell me— still do not to this day. tell me eveettv— still do not to this day. tell me exactly what- still do not to this day. tell me exactly what i said. that was therlthhetorv— me exactly what i said. that was discriminatory because it didn't hehheh — discriminatory because it didn't hehheh l— discriminatory because it didn't hehheh l sett— discriminatory because it didn't happen. i said nothing that was discriminatory. _ happen. i said nothing that was discriminatory. �*lval»i;.. discriminatory. well, that sounds a bit kafkaesque, doesn't it? so you've committed a crime. they're not going to tell you what crime is, but they're what the crime is, but they're going you anyway. yeah going to fire you anyway. yeah this is the civil service. yeah okay. taken you've okay. so you've taken you've blown the whistle. yeah. and there have quite there must have been quite a reaction you did this. reaction when you did this. well, wasn't very happy. no well, i wasn't very happy. no you— well, i wasn't very happy. no you-course. of- well, i wasn't very happy. no- you-course. of course. you know. of course. of course. het— you know. of course. of course. hwt vow— you know. of course. of course.

hwt vow ott— you know. of course. of course. but you did decide— you know. of course. of course. but you did decide to— you know. of course. of course. but you did decide to seek help from the free speech union on this. free speech union, this. and the free speech union, i done wonderful i think, has done a wonderful job people who are job of defending people who are in a similar position. exactly yeah. and they do? what yeah. and what did they do? what how did they help? so when i got in how did they help? so when i got lh contest— how did they help? so when i got in contact with— how did they help? so when i got in contact with them,— how did they help? so when i got in contact with them, it- : »: 7 so when i got in contact with them, it was teteh — in contact with them, it was teteh-l- in contact with them, it was taken-i thought. in contact with them, it was. taken-i thought like taken seriously. i thought like i taken seriously. i thought like l — taken seriously. i thought like les stt— taken seriously. i thought like les stt l— taken seriously. i thought like i was just i don't— taken seriously. i thought like i was just i don't know whether any— i was just i don't know whether ehv thoh-s— i was just i don't know whether ehv thoh-so-t- i was just i don't know whether any union's-to take- i was just i don't know whether any union's to take me any union's going to take me serlowva— any union's going to take me seriously, but— any union's going to take me seriously, but the _ any union's going to take me seriously, but the free speech thoh— seriously, but the free speech ent— seriously, but the free speech union and from— seriously, but the free speech union and from day one, it's teen— union and from day one, it's been totettv— union and from day one, it's been totally taken care of, not stt— been totally taken care of, not stt the— been totally taken care of, not stt the lh— been totally taken care of, not stt the ll e— been totally taken care of, not just like in a legal sense, but etso— just like in a legal sense, but elso the— just like in a legal sense, but also the personal, you know, hersohet— also the personal, you know, personal support, you know, at thes— personal support, you know, at the l-ve— personal support, you know, at times i've been— personal support, you know, at times i've been in— personal support, you know, at times i've been in contact with the.— times i've been in contact with the. vow— times i've been in contact with the. vow hhow.— times i've been in contact with like, you know, careers , like, you know, careers, owttenee— like, you know, careers, guidance, things like that. and it's guidance, things like that. and lt-s emezhe— guidance, things like that. and it's amazing. yeah. you know, lt-s— it's amazing. yeah. you know, it's absolutely— it's amazing. yeah. you know, it's absolutely incredible heese— it's absolutely incredible because you— it's absolutely incredible because you do need that swooort— because you do need that swhoort. ooh-t— because you do need that support, don't you, when these sort— support, don't you, when these sort ol— support, don't you, when these sort ol tthes— support, don't you, when these sort of things happen? f sort of things happen? because, i sort of things happen? because, l meet— sort of things happen? because, l meet-wtt— sort of things happen? because, l heew-ttt lt— sort of things happen? because, i mean, did it feel from i mean, how did it feel from your perspective, know, your your perspective, you know, your career is suddenly destabilised. it's suddenly falling away beneath mean, how beneath your feet. i mean, how did you feel it? well, i'm did you feel about it? well, i'm now a single mum— did you feel about it? well, i'm now a single mum ,_ did you feel about it? well, i'm now a single mum , you- »: »: .7 well, i'm now a single mum , you know, took now a single mum, you know, took ethe— now a single mum, you know, took ethe e— now a single mum, you know, took ethe e tott— now a single mum, you know, took owtte e on oh— now a single mum, you know, took owtte e on on e— now a single mum, you know, took quite a toll on a relationship. so quite a toll on a relationship.

so thet— quite a toll on a relationship. so thet ee— quite a toll on a relationship. so that came to— quite a toll on a relationship. so that came to an end. i went lrorh— so that came to an end. i went lrorh tethe— so that came to an end. i went lrorh lethe e— so that came to an end. i went from being a home— so that came to an end. i went from being a home owner to rehthe— from being a home owner to rehtho eoeth— from being a home owner to renting again, which in this etlrhete— renting again, which in this etlrhete ls— renting again, which in this climate is devastating . yes. and climate is devastating. yes. and you— climate is devastating. yes. and vow hhow.— climate is devastating. yes. and vow hhow. l— climate is devastating. yes. and you know, i went— climate is devastating. yes. and you know, i went from being i was a work coach.— you know, i went from being i was a work coach. i helped oeoote— was a work coach. i helped heoote hto— was a work coach. i helped people into work to go from that to heetlhe— people into work to go from that to heetlhe to— people into work to go from that to needing to 90— people into work to go from that to needing to go on universal crettt— to needing to go on universal cretlt ent— to needing to go on universal credit and having— to needing to go on universal credit and having a work coach . credit and having a work coach. yes:— credit and having a work coach. les. lt-s— credit and having a work coach. yes, it's surreal— credit and having a work coach. yes, it's surreal because when oeohte— yes, it's surreal because when heoote sev.— yes, it's surreal because when heoote sev. oh.— yes, it's surreal because when people say, oh, cancel culture toesh-t— people say, oh, cancel culture doesn't exist, _ people say, oh, cancel culture doesn't exist, it's— people say, oh, cancel culture doesn't exist, it's just holding peohte— doesn't exist, it's just holding heoote to— doesn't exist, it's just holding people to account, you know? i . eht vow— people to account, you know? i mean , and you think- people to account, you know? i mean , and you think about your mean, and you think about your experience, that's not someone being held account. no that's being held to account. no that's punishment. that is , you know, punishment. that is, you know, vore— punishment. that is, you know, vowre-to— punishment. that is, you know, vowre-to hwrh— punishment. that is, you know, you're-to burn the- punishment. that is, you know, you're-to burn the witch. you're going to burn the witch at you're going to burn the witch et the— you're going to burn the witch et the stete— you're going to burn the witch at the stake. yeah, that's essentially _ at the stake. yeah, that's essentially the - at the stake. yeah, that's essentially the thing. it's essentially the same thing. it's stt— essentially the same thing. it's sttlverv— essentially the same thing. it's sttlverv .— essentially the same thing. it's sttlverv . wett— essentially the same thing. it's just very . well, it's not just a very. well, it's not lre.— just a very. well, it's not the. tow— just a very. well, it's not fire, but you _ just a very. well, it's not fire, but you are being fired . fire, but you are being fired. veeh— fire, but you are being fired. veeh. eveettv— fire, but you are being fired. yeah, exactly. the— fire, but you are being fired. l/»i;rel t“ »iterlrt...» fire, but you are being fired. / t“ yeah, exactly. the stakes are still pretty high. and, you know, but it's really important that you've done this because it has exposed problem in the has exposed this problem in the civil read civil service. i've read articles busvine who articles by nick busvine who talked there is a real talked about how there is a real systemic problem in the civil service wokeness or whatever service of wokeness or whatever you to call it, this you want to call it, this ideological capture. far do ideological capture. how far do you has gone? it

you think has it gone? is it something that can be rescued or do you think the civil service is completely at this is completely captured at this point? need uphold point? they need to uphold their own and be honest with own code and be honest with themselves because that is one of tenants being a civil of the tenants of being a civil servant and a civil service and they need to be honest and have servant and a civil service and tithorough:o be honest and have servant and a civil service and tithorough investigation. nd have servant and a civil service and tithorough investigation. and ave servant and a civil service and tithorough investigation. and do a thorough investigation. and do you going to you think that's going to happen? well although my case is closed, for closed, i will advocate for that. yeah. yeah, absolutely. well, your case now well, you've won your case now and been remunerated. and and you've been remunerated. and i that's fantastic i think that's a fantastic result for you. so arnie thomas, thank so much joining thank you so much for joining me. thank you very much . so me. thank you very much. so after the break, on free speech nation, philosopher and author peter bogosian will be here to discuss his work and whether wokeness is on the way out. let's hope so .

on gb news. the people's chehhel— on gb news. the people's channel. britain is watching . channel. britain is watching. weteorhe— channel. britain is watching. welcome back— channel. britain is watching. welcome back to free speech wetloh— welcome back to free speech wetloh wtth— welcome back to free speech nation with me— welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. as polltlelehs— nation with me andrew doyle. as politicians increasingly— politicians increasingly position themselves as anti—woke

, is the tide finally turning against wokeness? so my next guest would certainly hope so. it's peter boghosian . everyone it's peter boghosian. everyone now . thank it's peter boghosian. everyone now. thank you. thank you. great to he— now. thank you. thank you. great to he here.— now. thank you. thank you. great to be here. thanks— now. thank you. thank you. great to be here. thanks for— thank you. great to be here. thanks for coming . to be here. thanks for coming. vowre— to be here. thanks for coming. vowre e— to be here. thanks for coming. you're a philosopher.— to be here. thanks for coming. you're a philosopher. you're an author. you are formerly a professor at portland state. correct why did you resign from that post? i resigned because they they were interested in it became an ideology mill. so they wanted people to believe- g .. so they wanted people to believe certain theses.— wanted people to believe certain tthes. wht— wanted people to believe certain thhos. who thev— wanted people to believe certain things. and they they wanted thev— things. and they they wanted they brokered _ things. and they they wanted they brokered no dissent whatsoever— they brokered no dissent whatsoever. - they brokered no dissent whatsoever . they brokered no dissent whatsoever. .. t“ .y» whatsoever. so the university was actually effectively trying to produce indoctrinated drones rather than teaching them how to think. and the unfortunate thing reettv— think. and the unfortunate thing reetlv ls— think. and the unfortunate thing reetlv ls thet— think. and the unfortunate thing really is that the— and the unfortunate thing really is that the students thlrhetetv— really is that the students ultimately suffer for that right . aho— ultimately suffer for that right . who so— ultimately suffer for that right . and so-really- ultimately suffer for that right . and so really weren't . and so they really weren't hethe— . and so they really weren't having anybody— . and so they really weren't having anybody advocate for her— having anybody advocate for their intellectual lives. �*lvalt“litt“ their intellectual lives. when we teth— their intellectual lives. when we talk about— their intellectual lives. when we talk about wokeness and people often get confused about what we mean by that. do you want to give us like a 32nd definition? sure. actually your book had the best depher of all the new puritans , so it's the new puritans, so it's basically the idea that the and

again, there's a kernel of truth in all of this. it's basically the— in all of this. it's basically the wee— in all of this. it's basically the idea that— in all of this. it's basically the idea that there- t“ it's basically the idea that there have been lhtlthwels— the idea that there have been individuals who— the idea that there have been individuals who are systemically discriminated— individuals who are systemically discriminated against and that discrimination— discriminated against and that discrimination is— discriminated against and that discrimination is carried on to the— discrimination is carried on to the present— discrimination is carried on to the present tev— discrimination is carried on to the present day and the way to loot— the present day and the way to loot et— the present day and the way to loot et thet— the present day and the way to look at that discrimination is thet— look at that discrimination is thet lt— look at that discrimination is that it comes— look at that discrimination is that it comes from systems. so any— that it comes from systems. so ehv ttsherttv— that it comes from systems. so ehv ttsherttv ol— that it comes from systems. so any disparity of outcomes, so any— any disparity of outcomes, so any differences— any disparity of outcomes, so any differences racially, for exempte— any differences racially, for evehhte .— any differences racially, for example , couldn't be due to example, couldn't be due to ewttwre— example, couldn't be due to ewttwre .— example, couldn't be due to culture , couldn't— example, couldn't be due to culture , couldn't be due to culture, couldn't be due to oehetles— culture, couldn't be due to genetics has— culture, couldn't be due to genetics has to _ culture, couldn't be due to genetics has to be due to the leot— genetics has to be due to the lest thet— genetics has to be due to the fact that the _ genetics has to be due to the fact that the system is intentionally- fact that the system is intentionally discriminating eeehst— intentionally discriminating eoehst. so— intentionally discriminating against. so you have a people you— against. so you have a people vow heve— against. so you have a people vow heve e— against. so you have a people you have a system , maybe there you have a system, maybe there are you have a system, maybe there lewer oev— you have a system, maybe there are fewer gay people as ceos in are fewer gay people as ceos in e hwslhess— are fewer gay people as ceos in a business than— are fewer gay people as ceos in a business than straight people. the a business than straight people. the env— a business than straight people. the only explanation— a business than straight people. the only explanation for- a business than straight people. the only explanation for that is there's systemic homophobia at there's a systemic homophobia at there's a systemic homophobia at the these. yeah, and the heart of these. yeah, and you also, the heart of these. yeah, and vow-elso. es— the heart of these. yeah, and you-also, as helen- the heart of these. yeah, and i you-also, as helen pluckrose you can also, as helen pluckrose sevs— you can also, as helen pluckrose ses-sen— you can also, as helen pluckrose sevsleeh elso— you can also, as helen pluckrose says,-can also have- says, you can also have a eohshtreev— says, you can also have a conspiracy without any conspirators. - conspiracy without any conspirators. right? so even if llterettv— conspirators. right? so even if llterellv-the- conspirators. right? so even if literally the entire literally nobody in the entire svsterh — literally nobody in the entire svsterh wehts— literally nobody in the entire system wants that the system wants that to be the the — system wants that to be the case, the system— system wants that to be the case, the system itself rehtteetes— case, the system itself replicates the values in in outcomes. but— replicates the values in in outcomes. but the other thing ehowt— outcomes. but the other thing ehowt tth— outcomes. but the other thing about this is— outcomes. but the other thing about this is the— outcomes. but the other thing about this is the people who we

olteh— about this is the people who we often describe— about this is the people who we often describe as— about this is the people who we often describe as the woke seem verv— often describe as the woke seem verv lhtotereht— often describe as the woke seem very intolerant to _ often describe as the woke seem very intolerant to having a conversation _ very intolerant to having a conversation . _ very intolerant to having a conversation . t“»i;«r very intolerant to having a conversation . "lil; »:lit»t“ . very intolerant to having a conversation . "lil; r:lit»t“ . very intolerant to having a- conversation . they don't want to conversation. they don't want to have the discussion correct. why is that? because they believe that the two paraphrase audre lorde, the master's tools cannot disassemble or disable the master's house. the master's howse— master's house. the master's howse ls— master's house. the master's howse ls the— master's house. the master's house is the master's- the master's house is the master's tools are reason science is— house is the master's tools are reason science is what's called ethtethe— reason science is what's called epistemic adequacy , which is epistemic adequacy, which is hesleeltv— epistemic adequacy, which is basically having— epistemic adequacy, which is basically having a good reason for basically having a good reason lor hetlethe— basically having a good reason for believing what you believe. so enlightenment values really the enlightenment values. and so thev— the enlightenment values. and so thev hetleve— the enlightenment values. and so they believe that— the enlightenment values. and so they believe that master's they believe that the master's howse— they believe that the master's howse ls— they believe that the master's house is racism,— they believe that the master's house is racism, misogyny , house is racism, misogyny, homophotte— house is racism, misogyny, homophobia, sexism and the way thet— homophobia, sexism and the way thet vow— homophobia, sexism and the way that you construct— homophobia, sexism and the way that you construct that house is throweh— that you construct that house is throweh the— that you construct that house is through the tools— that you construct that house is through the tools of science is throweh— through the tools of science is throweh the— through the tools of science is through the method that we've wset— through the method that we've wset to— through the method that we've used to solve— through the method that we've used to solve problems for llterettv— used to solve problems for llterettv e— used to solve problems for literally a thousand years, theh— literally a thousand years, theh ls— literally a thousand years, which is why— literally a thousand years, which is why so many of these eetlvlsts— which is why so many of these activists seem _ which is why so many of these activists seem so— which is why so many of these activists seem so unreasonable heese— activists seem so unreasonable heese thev— activists seem so unreasonable because they don't believe in reason. and because they don't believe in reason. ff and they reason. well, correct. and they elso— reason. well, correct. and they elso ooh-t— reason. well, correct. and they also don't want— reason. well, correct. and they also don't want to— reason. well, correct. and they also don't want to have- reason. �*lval»i;.. ff and they also don't want to have a conversation _ also don't want to have a conversation because they hetleve— conversation because they- believe—platforming conversation because they- bso ave _ platforming conversation because they bsozve believe platforming conversation because they bsozve believe thattforming conversation because they bsozve believe that the ning . so they believe that the speech — . so they believe that the speech _there's- . so they believe that the- speech _there's something . so they believe that the speech in there's something . so they believe that the speech in the here's something . so they believe that the speech in the speech omething . so they believe that the speech in the speech itself|ing intrinsic in the speech itself thet— intrinsic in the speech itself thet ewses— intrinsic in the speech itself that causes the— intrinsic in the speech itself that causes the problem and etevetes— that causes the problem and elevates the— that causes the problem and elevates the problem. ' “»: «lc.

elevates the problem. and yet you elevates the problem. and yet vow pet— elevates the problem. and yet you put yourself in the firing line, you go out there trying to talk to the woke. you've set up this thing called street epistemology, correct? where you set up these sort of exercises and ask passers by to volunteer, but you often go to university campuses, the kind of places that going to welcome that aren't going to welcome discussion. right right. and the reswtts— discussion. right right. and the reswtts heve— discussion. right right. and the results have-rather- results have been rather rerhertet— results have been rather remarked label people are. remarked label how people are. so remarked label how people are. so otev— remarked label how people are. so otev. so— remarked label how people are. so otev. so vow— remarked label how people are. so okay. so you need to understand— so okay. so you need to understand why you go to the thversltv. — understand why you go to the university. you _ understand why you go to the university. you go , we go to the university. you go, we go to the thversltv— university. you go, we go to the university because _ university. you go, we go to the university because people pick up university because people pick wh-vetwes— university because people pick up _values from - university because people pick up values from the up these values from the thversltv. — up these values from the university. - a - up these values from the university. a very university. this is a very intentional— university. this is a very intentional thing. it's is intentional thing. it's it is tth— intentional thing. it's it is this actually— intentional thing. it's it is this actually is- intentional thing. it's it is this actually is a system. it's a this actually is a system. it's e svsterh— this actually is a system. it's a system that's— this actually is a system. it's a system that's designed to sweet— a system that's designed to sweet eh— a system that's designed to spread an ideology through the ther— spread an ideology through the wider culture,— spread an ideology through the wider culture, the _ spread an ideology through the wider culture, the woke ideology . tutt— wider culture, the woke ideology . ttoht. het— wider culture, the woke ideology . right. but that's— wider culture, the woke ideology . right. but that's not- wider culture, the woke ideology . right. but that's not what universities meant to be universities are meant to be for. they're to about universities are meant to be for. pursuit to about universities are meant to be for. pursuit of to about universities are meant to be for. pursuit of truth,) about universities are meant to be for. pursuit of truth, truthibout the pursuit of truth, truth seeking. yeah, they should be trwth— seeking. yeah, they should be truth seeking.— seeking. yeah, they should be truth seeking. and— “g yeah, they should be truth seeking. and that's the other— truth seeking. and that's the other reason _ truth seeking. and that's the other reason why have other reason why you have a shoe. — other reason why you have a shoe. vow— other reason why you have a choice. you can— other reason why you have a choice. you can either have free speech— choice. you can either have free speech-sen— choice. you can either have free speech-sen heve- choice. you can either have free speech can have offices speech or you can have offices of speech or you can have offices ol—lhetwstohl of diversity, equity, inclusion. vow— of diversity, equity, inclusion. you—theyl of diversity, equity, inclusion.l vow—thev you cannot have both. they are fundamentally— you cannot have both. they are fundamentally incompatible. wett— fundamentally incompatible. wetl—ewtet- fundamentally incompatible. well, _ quick look. fundamentally incompatible. i well,_quick look at well, let's have a quick look at something done here. something that you've done here. so this your street so this is your street epistemology. i think got so this is your street e|shortiology. i think got so this is your street

e|short clipjy. i think got so this is your street e|short clipjy. i thin you're got a short clip of what you're anyone who does not have the same opinion as you is a bigoted woman should not able woman should not be able to compete has compete in women's sports, has transphobic beliefs point blank penod transphobic beliefs point blank period trans women are women , period trans women are women, therefore they compete in women's sports. like that's reeltv— women's sports. like that's reetlv stt— women's sports. like that's really just like— women's sports. like that's really just like the- t“ like that's really just like the end of conversation. _ really just like the end of conversation. like there's reeltv— conversation. like there's reetlv ho— conversation. like there's really no like,— conversation. like there's really no like, oh, like, you hhow.— really no like, oh, like, you know lwe— really no like, oh, like, you know, like the— really no like, oh, like, you know, like the boys and then the sorts— know, like the boys and then the elrls ent— know, like the boys and then the olrls end the— know, like the boys and then the girls and the testosterone. no, lwe— girls and the testosterone. no, we lt-s— girls and the testosterone. no, we lt-s elt— girls and the testosterone. no, like it's all based— girls and the testosterone. no, like it's all based in transphobia. so it's not about, the.— transphobia. so it's not about, like,-believing_ transphobia. so it's not about, like,-believing in- transphobia. so it's not about, like, believing in facts. like, me believing in facts. lt-s— like, me believing in facts. lt-s hot— like, me believing in facts. it's not about— like, me believing in facts. it's not about me listening to the— it's not about me listening to the research.— it's not about me listening to the research. literally the research. it's literally stt— the research. it's literally stt-llte- the research. it's literally just-like i'm- the research. it's literally just like i'm saying the research. it's literally- just-like i'm saying this just called like i'm saying this the— just called like i'm saying this line because— just called like i'm saying this line because i've— just called like i'm saying this line because i've refused to be trensohthe— line because i've refused to be transphobic. so,— line because i've refused to be transphobic. so, peter, if you stt— transphobic. so, peter, if you stt-thet— transphobic. so, peter, if you just-that you've- transphobic. so, peter, if you just that you've got just explain that you've got these— just explain that you've got these-oh— just explain that you've got these-on the- just explain that you've got these on the floor and these lines on the floor and vore— these lines on the floor and vow-re-heohte- these lines on the floor and. you're-peoplelstand these lines on the floor and ylcertain people stand these lines on the floor and ylcertain point,3ople stand these lines on the floor and ylcertain point, right? stand these lines on the floor and ylcertain point, right? “and these lines on the floor and ylcertain point, right? t“ a certain point, right? in that lt— a certain point, right? in that lt we— a certain point, right? in that case, it was about whether women should women should whether trans women should whether trans women should in women's should compete in women's sports. correct. go sports. correct. so i go all erowt— sports. correct. so i go all around-world.- sports. correct. so i go all around-world. i- correct. so i go all around world. i just came around the world. i just came teet— around the world. i just came test lrorh — around the world. i just came back from australia. i'm evervwhere— back from australia. i'm everywhere in- back from australia. i'm everywhere in the world, hwnoerv— everywhere in the world, hungary, romania in the hungary, romania and in the thttle— hungary, romania and in thei middle—line. middle there's a neutral line. lht— middle there's a neutral line. ant—there-s- middle there's a neutral line. and there's strongly and to the left there's strongly theereel— and to the left there's strongly disagreed, slightly disagreed, disagree, slightly theeree— disagreed, disagree, slightly theeree .— disagreed, disagree, slightly disagree . and— disagreed, disagree, slightly disagree . and then the right disagree. and then to the right there-s— disagree. and then to the right there's slightly— disagree. and then to the right there's slightly agree. et ete— there's slightly agree. et cetera. yes.— there's slightly agree. et cetera. yes. and then either l-lt— cetera. yes. and then either l-ll est— cetera. yes. and then either i'll ask them— cetera. yes. and then either i'll ask them a— cetera. yes. and then either i'll ask them a question or

thev-ll— i'll ask them a question or thev-ll est— i'll ask them a question or thev-lt est e— i'll ask them a question or they'll ask a question about wswettv— they'll ask a question about usually some— they'll ask a question about usually some hot button issue teeter.— usually some hot button issue gender, sexuality,— usually some hot button issue gender, sexuality, trans status . ent— gender, sexuality, trans status . eht thev-ll— gender, sexuality, trans status , and they'll move to a line. ves— , and they'll move to a line. les lht— , and they'll move to a line. yes and then— , and they'll move to a line. yes and then i'll— , and they'll move to a line. yes and then i'll try to facilitate _ yes and then i'll try to facilitate a _ yes and then i'll try to facilitate a conversation between— facilitate a conversation between people on different thes— between people on different llhes or— between people on different lines or among— between people on different lines or among people. and then i'll lines or among people. and then l-ll est— lines or among people. and then i'll ask targeted— lines or among people. and then i'll ask targeted socratic ewestlohs— i'll ask targeted socratic questions to _ i'll ask targeted socratic questions to see if the evidence ent— questions to see if the evidence end the— questions to see if the evidence and the reason— questions to see if the evidence and the reason they have for stehtlhe— and the reason they have for stehtlhe oh— and the reason they have for standing on the— and the reason they have for standing on the line is sttlllet. — standing on the line is justified, wig... standing on the line is justified. l/»i;relt“ .“li;”»i; justified. yeah, there's a really i mean, i've watched a number of these videos on your youtube channel. there's a really fascinating thing you do where you say, what would it take for you move a take for you to move to a different line? what would you have now, woman we have to hear now, that woman we just saying trans just heard, they're saying trans women that's the end women are women. that's the end of the debate, right? she said she nothing that of the debate, right? she said she make nothing that of the debate, right? she said she make herlothing that of the debate, right? she said she make her move. that of the debate, right? she said she make her move. so,t of the debate, right? she said she make her move. so, in would make her move. so, in other words, she's admitting even if the evidence came out that better sports, that men are better at sports, she would ignore that. right. so is really, really so this is really, really lrhporteht.— so this is really, really important. if- so this is really, really important. if you're not willing to—ehowt- to change your mind about somethho— to change your mind about something, then belief isn't to change your mind about someon ng, then belief isn't to change your mind about someon ng, ibasis belief isn't to change your mind about someon ng, ibasis evidence.�*t held on the basis of evidence. ltleht— held on the basis of evidence. right because— held on the basis of evidence. right because by— held on the basis of evidence. right because by definition, whet— right because by definition, whet lt— right because by definition, what it means— right because by definition, what it means to hold a belief in what it means to hold a belief tn the— what it means to hold a belief tn the tests— what it means to hold a belief in the basis of— what it means to hold a belief in the basis of evidence is there— in the basis of evidence is there could—

in the basis of evidence is there could be— in the basis of evidence is there could be some other piece of there could be some other piece ol ethehee— there could be some other piece of evidence that— there could be some other piece of evidence that-in- there could be some other piece of evidence that in that of evidence that comes in that eewses-to— of evidence that comes in that causes-to change- of evidence that comes in that causes to change mind. causes you to change your mind. les. — causes you to change your mind. les. _sev.— causes you to change your mind. les. _sev. otev- causes you to change your mind. les. _sev. okavr sol yes. so then i'll say, okay, so you— yes. so then i'll say, okay, so vow ooh-t— yes. so then i'll say, okay, so you don't hold— yes. so then i'll say, okay, so you don't hold the belief isn't hete— you don't hold the belief isn't helt-leee— you don't hold the belief isn't held-face of— you don't hold the belief isn't held face of evidence. held in the face of evidence. whet— held in the face of evidence. whetloh— held in the face of evidence. what-on what— held in the face of evidence. what on what basis do you what is on what basis do you hotte— what is on what basis do you hotte how— what is on what basis do you hold? how do— what is on what basis do you hold? how do you justify that confidence?— confidence? and invariably vow-ll— confidence? and invariably you'll particularly you'll see, particularly with reeert— you'll see, particularly with regard-trans— you'll see, particularly with regard trans people will regard to trans is people will helleve— regard to trans is people will believe trans— regard to trans is people will believe trans issues not because thev— believe trans issues not because thev heve— believe trans issues not because they have evidence— believe trans issues not because they have evidence for it, but heese— they have evidence for it, but heese lt-s— they have evidence for it, but because it's a— they have evidence for it, but because it's a moral belief. les. — because it's a moral belief. les. ahe— because it's a moral belief. les. ant lh— because it's a moral belief. yes. and in that- because it's a moral belief. yes. '“»: t“ c. because it's a moral belief. yes. ' “r: t“ rt yes. and in that clip, as well, there was the accusation of transphobia. right. hatred that seems you know, seems to be. but you know, you're very you remain very calm when these people literally everybody says that to me. yeah. because it's incredible. heewse— yeah. because it's incredible. because they're— yeah. because it's incredible. because they're shouting- yeah. because it's incredible. because they're shouting at you. yeah and mean , you yeah and but you i mean, you wrote book with james lindsay wrote a book with james lindsay called how to have impossible conversations, is a conversations, which is a fantastic book. i would recommend it to everyone watching view watching because your view is that allow them to that we should allow them to sort of have their tantrums 100. yeah. so first of all, i'm i slheeretv— yeah. so first of all, i'm i sincerely am— yeah. so first of all, i'm i sincerely am curious. i never est— sincerely am curious. i never est e— sincerely am curious. i never est e ewestloh.— sincerely am curious. i never ask a question. my golden rule of ask a question. my golden rule ol tth— ask a question. my golden rule ol tth ls— ask a question. my golden rule ol tth ls l— ask a question. my golden rule of this is i do— ask a question. my golden rule of this is i do not— ask a question. my golden rule of this is i do not ask people ewestlohs— of this is i do not ask people ewesttohs ho— of this is i do not ask people questions no matter if it's i get— questions no matter if it's i get eh— questions no matter if it's i get eh wher— questions no matter if it's i get an uber or— questions no matter if it's i get an uber or on the street if i get an uber or on the street if l oehwhetv— get an uber or on the street if i genuinely don't— get an uber or on the street if i genuinely don't want to know

the eswer— i genuinely don't want to know the answer. right.— i genuinely don't want to know the answer. right. so only ask the answer. right. so i only ask a the answer. right. so i only ask e ewestloh— the answer. right. so i only ask e ewestloh ll— the answer. right. so i only ask e ewestloh ll l— the answer. right. so i only ask a question if i genuinely want to thow— a question if i genuinely want to know-answer.- a question if i genuinely want to know answer. the other to know the answer. the other tthe— to know the answer. the other tthell— to know the answer. the other tthell ttht— to know the answer. the other thing-i think so— to know the answer. the other thing i think so when thing is i think so when sorhehotv— thing is i think so when somebody is— thing is i think so when somebody is shouting you , somebody is shouting at you, thev-re— somebody is shouting at you, thev-re ll— somebody is shouting at you, thev-re ll vow— somebody is shouting at you, they're if you want someone to be they're if you want someone to he elvll — they're if you want someone to he elvll the— they're if you want someone to be civil, the response i know i sent— be civil, the response i know i can't swear on your show, but lt-s— can't swear on your show, but lt-s hot— can't swear on your show, but lt-s hot to— can't swear on your show, but it's not to give— can't swear on your show, but it's not to give them the middle leger.— it's not to give them the middle fingerr rtohte— it's not to give them the middle finger, right? yes,— it's not to give them the middle finger, right? yes, of course. vow— finger, right? yes, of course. vow heet— finger, right? yes, of course. vow heed to— finger, right? yes, of course. you need to be— finger, right? yes, of course. you need to be civil to them. so you— you need to be civil to them. so vow heet— you need to be civil to them. so vow heed to— you need to be civil to them. so you need to model— you need to be civil to them. so you need to model the behaviour thet— you need to model the behaviour thet-went— you need to model the behaviour thet-went to— you need to model the behaviour that-want to see— you need to model the behaviour that-want to see in- you need to model the behaviour that want to see in them. that you want to see in them. het— that you want to see in them. let tth— that you want to see in them. let the big— that you want to see in them. but this big question- that you want to see in them. but this big question i've- but this big question i've wrestled with it myself that wrestled with it myself is that when you get into a conflict with the woke. yeah, they, they generally throw insults, they lie they, lie about you, they, they, they , they bully people , they scream, they bully people . right. and instinct is, . right. and my instinct is, okay, just work around okay, let's just work around them because can't dealing them because i can't be dealing with that. but you a with that. but you you take a different approach. am i wrong to no no,i different approach. am i wrong to no no, i would never to do that? no no, i would never say to do that? no no, i would never sev-whet— to do that? no no, i would never sev-whet the— to do that? no no, i would never sev-whet the wev- to do that? no no, i would never say-what the way that- say that. what the way that sorhehotv— say that. what the way that somebody wants to deal with somebody else wants to deal with it somebody else wants to deal with lt-showtth-t— somebody else wants to deal with it-shouldn't-never. - somebody else wants to deal with it shouldn't never. so it or i shouldn't say never. so thev-re—owt- they're like pulling out a ehethew— they're like pulling out a chainsaw of— they're like pulling out a chainsaw of violence or sorhethhe— chainsaw of violence or something is- chainsaw of violence or something is always a bad idea. i something is always a bad idea. l-sev.— something is always a bad idea. l-sev.-so- something is always a bad idea. l-sev.-so hwt- something is always a bad idea. i-say.-so but but. i would say. okay, so but but herthe— i would say. okay, so but but herrho thet.— i would say. okay, so but but barring that, it— i would say. okay, so but but barring that, it there is sorhetthe— barring that, it there is something fundamental about tethe— something fundamental about being treetet— something fundamental about being treated humanely. and we

thow— being treated humanely. and we thow. lor— being treated humanely. and we know, for example, that people ehehee— know, for example, that people ehehee thelr— know, for example, that people change their mind from a view of osvehotooteet— change their mind from a view of psychological safety. there's a reettv— psychological safety. there's a really interesting— psychological safety. there's a really interesting study, very ewtettv. — really interesting study, very quickly. there's— really interesting study, very quickly. there's really quickly. there's a really interesting— quickly. there's a really- interesting—american interesting study about american sottlers— interesting study about american sottlers who— interesting study about american soldiers who defected . to the soldiers who defected. to the worth— soldiers who defected. to the worth toree— soldiers who defected. to the north korea and— soldiers who defected. to the north korea and they found out thversettv— north korea and they found out universally that— north korea and they found out universally that the soldiers who— universally that the soldiers who defected _ universally that the soldiers who defected came from a single herreets— who defected came from a single herreets eht— who defected came from a single barracks and the— who defected came from a single barracks and the barracks. they teweht— barracks and the barracks. they were taught that— barracks and the barracks. they were taught that the enemy was savages, monkeys— were taught that the enemy was savages, monkeys , primitives. savages, monkeys, primitives. hwt— savages, monkeys, primitives. hwt wheh — savages, monkeys, primitives. hwt wheh thev— savages, monkeys, primitives. but when they got to there, they treetet— but when they got to there, they were treated with— but when they got to there, they were treated with kindness and teeenev— were treated with kindness and decency. there's— were treated with kindness and decency. there's something fundamental— decency. there's something fundamental about treating oeohte— fundamental about treating heoote wtth— fundamental about treating people with kindness and dignity that people with kindness and dignity thet ewses— people with kindness and dignity that causes them— people with kindness and dignity that causes them at some point to see— that causes them at some point to vow— that causes them at some point to vow es— that causes them at some point to vow es e— that causes them at some point to see you as a human. well i hope— to see you as a human. well i hope vowe— to see you as a human. well i hope you're right. '“r: to see you as a human. well i hope you're right. ' “r: to see you as a human. well i hope you're right. “r: hope you're right. and i hope by treating those who identify as woke with that kind of civility, we can bring them win them back to reason, possibly. do you think it to reason, possibly. do you ttht lt eh— to reason, possibly. do you think it can happen?- t“ do you think it can happen? i've never lost— think it can happen? i've never lost hope— think it can happen? i've never lost hope oh— think it can happen? i've never lost hope on anybody. no. l/ritrel t“ lost hope on anybody. no. yeah. tehtestte— lost hope on anybody. no. yeah. fantastic where— lost hope on anybody. no. yeah. fantastic where can people find these videos? because they really worth seeing. thank really are worth seeing. thank you. peter on really are worth seeing. thanki you. peter-on youtube really are worth seeing. thanki you. see r-on youtube really are worth seeing. thanki you. see sin.-on youtube “g thank you. see sin. and on youtube “g thank you. see sin. and wen youtube “g thank you. see sin. and we postitube “g thank you. see sin. and we post clips bog. see sin. and we post clips on tthter— bog. see sin. and we post clips on twitter that— bog. see sin. and we post clips on twitter that people can can

wetsh— on twitter that people can can weteh. lht— on twitter that people can can watch. and we're— on twitter that people can can watch. and we're going to do some in london— watch. and we're going to do some in london here. so we're eohe— some in london here. so we're oohe to— some in london here. so we're going to 90— some in london here. so we're going to go lh— some in london here. so we're going to go in the— some in london here. so we're going to go in the and going to go in the streets and est— going to go in the streets and est oeoote— going to go in the streets and ask people about— going to go in the streets and ask people about a wide range of ewestlohs. — ask people about a wide range of questions. please— ask people about a wide range of questions. .. questions. please do check that out it does give me hope out because it does give me hope that sort of come out that we might sort of come out of this madness, the madness of this culture bring this culture war and bring civility bogosian, civility back. peter bogosian, thanks much. hey thank you. thanks so much. hey thank you. and after the break on free speech.— and after the break on free speech, nation— and after the break on free speech, nation immigration hwrhersh— speech, nation immigration numbers are— speech, nation immigration numbers are on— speech, nation immigration numbers are on the rise. i'm going— numbers are on the rise. i'm going to— numbers are on the rise. i'm going to te— numbers are on the rise. i'm going to be asking politics professor matthew goodwin if that means likely election defeat you defeat for the tories. see you in moment .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle new migration figures were released this week and they could spell electoral disaster for prime minister rishi sunak and the conservative party. net migration reached record migration has reached a record high and overall migration into the for 2022 stood at

the uk for 2022 stood at 606,000, up 24% on last year. sorry, 600 and 600,000. could this be an issue that seals a labour landslide in the election next year ? so here to discuss next year? so here to discuss these figures and what they could mean for the government, i'm delighted to be joined by the professor of politics at the university of kent, matthew goodwin. so matthew , now 606,000 goodwin. so matthew, now 606,000 100,000. it sounds like a lot. it is a lot. and i think a lot of people, particularly conservative supporters, are saying that actually immigration is the where the is the area where the conservatives have failed them the that a the most. would that be a fair assessment that's assessment? i think that's a let— assessment? i think that's a fair assessment.— 7 i think that's a fair assessment. these are the hottest— fair assessment. these are the biggest numbers— fair assessment. these are the biggest numbers that we've reeltv— biggest numbers that we've reellv-.— biggest numbers that we've really-. they're- biggest numbers that we've really . they're about three really had. they're about three thes— really had. they're about three tlrhes-es— really had. they're about three times-as when- really had. they're about three times as when david times as large as when david cerreroh— times as large as when david cameron came into office in zero.— cameron came into office in zero. there— cameron came into office in 2010. there considerably larger theh— 2010. there considerably larger then-the— 2010. there considerably larger than-the covm- 2010. there considerably larger than the covid pandemic. than before the covid pandemic. and than before the covid pandemic. the tth— than before the covid pandemic. and this really— than before the covid pandemic. and this really blows apart the cohservetlve— and this really blows apart the conservative party's claim. you theht— conservative party's claim. you might remember— conservative party's claim. you might remember boris johnson making— might remember boris johnson rhethe tth— might remember boris johnson making this claim in 2019 to lower— making this claim in 2019 to lower the— making this claim in 2019 to lower the overall— making this claim in 2019 to lower the overall numbers. but ther— lower the overall numbers. but more than that,— lower the overall numbers. but more than that, it— lower the overall numbers. but more than that, it also blows ehert— more than that, it also blows ehert evervthhe— more than that, it also blows apart everything that brexit was reettv— apart everything that brexit was reellv—wes- apart everything that brexit was really _was takingi really about, which was taking teet— really about, which was taking back control.— really about, which was taking back control. and— really about, which was taking

back control. and for 2019, conservative _ back control. and for 2019, conservative voters , you know, conservative voters, you know, thts— conservative voters, you know, tth lsh-t— conservative voters, you know, tth lsh-t e— conservative voters, you know, this isn't a fringe— conservative voters, you know, this isn't a fringe issue. this is this isn't a fringe issue. this ls e— this isn't a fringe issue. this ls e seoht— this isn't a fringe issue. this is a second top— this isn't a fringe issue. this is a second top issue. and for all is a second top issue. and for ell voters— is a second top issue. and for ell voters lh— is a second top issue. and for all voters in the— is a second top issue. and for all voters in the country, immigration— all voters in the country, immigration is- all voters in the country, immigration is now their third most— immigration is now their third most important— immigration is now their third most important issue behind tthes— most important issue behind tthes llte— most important issue behind things like .cost- most important issue behind things like cost of living things like the cost of living erlsls— things like the cost of living erlsls eht— things like the cost of living crisis and the— things like the cost of living crisis and the national health servlee.— crisis and the national health servlee. so— crisis and the national health service. so this— crisis and the national health service. so this is— crisis and the national health service. so this is going to be enormous-we— service. so this is going to be enormous-we go- service. so this is going to be enormous we go the enormous as we go into the eleetloh— enormous as we go into the eleetloh-veer. - enormous as we go into the election year. t t“ enormous as we go into the. election .year. how can it election next year. how can it be election next year. how can it he the— election next year. how can it be the case that the conservative of all people have dropped this one dropped the ball on this one because have because they must have known that was priority in that this was their priority in terms their their electoral terms of their their electoral base? yeah. so think what's base? yeah. so i think what's hesleeltv— base? yeah. so i think what's basically happened- 7 l/ritrel t“ so i think what's basically happened is the conservative— basically happened is the conservative party essentially basically happened is the conselonger party essentially basically happened is the conse longer really essentially is no longer really conservative. is no longer really. conservative. -the is no longer really- conservative.-the hands conservative. is in the hands of a conservative. is in the hands of e-tlheret— conservative. is in the hands of a liberal parliamentary a socially liberal parliamentary party— a socially liberal parliamentary hertv—etess- a socially liberal parliamentary party—class that. party and a donor class that lsh-t— party and a donor class that isn't-interested- party and a donor class that isn't interested in isn't really interested in tellvethe— isn't really interested in delivering reform of migration. so delivering reform of migration. so—ls- delivering reform of migration. so—ls tth- so what we've got is this potltleel— so what we've got is this political economy now that is beset— political economy now that is based around— political economy now that is based around import importing low based around import importing low-worters— based around import importing low-workers from - based around import importing low workers from overseas, low skill workers from overseas, lrorh— low skill workers from overseas, lrorh owtslte— low skill workers from overseas, from outside of— low skill workers from overseas, from outside of europe , and from outside of europe, and plugging— from outside of europe, and plugging the_ from outside of europe, and plugging the holes in our eohov— plugging the holes in our economy . arnie for example, the economy. arnie for example, the 5 economy. arnie for example, the s thllloh— economy. arnie for example, the 5 million people— economy. arnie for example, the 5 million people now are on wetlere— 5 million people now are on welfare, the— 5 million people now are on welfare, the broken higher etweetloh— welfare, the broken higher education system , low education system, low productivity- education system, low productivity ,- education system, low productivity , and we're using productivity, and we're using mass migration— productivity, and we're using mass migration to essentially elt— mass migration to essentially ell ol— mass migration to essentially

cover all of those— mass migration to essentially cover all of those problems thth— cover all of those problems thth or— cover all of those problems within our economy. so the conservatives _ within our economy. so the conservatives now, i think, are going— conservatives now, i think, are oohe to— conservatives now, i think, are going to lee— conservatives now, i think, are going to leee e— conservatives now, i think, are going to face a reckoning next veer.— going to face a reckoning next vearr ent— going to face a reckoning next veer. eht thet— going to face a reckoning next year, and that reckoning is going— year, and that reckoning is going to— year, and that reckoning is going to ome— year, and that reckoning is going to come from the more worthe— going to come from the more working class,— going to come from the more working class, culturally conservative— working class, culturally conservative of older voters in oteees— conservative of older voters in pteees llte— conservative of older voters in places like the— conservative of older voters in places like the red wall, who rettlet— places like the red wall, who rallied around— places like the red wall, who rallied around boris johnson heese— rallied around boris johnson heese thev— rallied around boris johnson because they thought they were going— because they thought they were oohe to — because they thought they were going to get— because they thought they were going to get different kind of going to get a different kind of eohov thev— going to get a different kind of economy. they thought they were going— economy. they thought they were oohe to — economy. they thought they were going to get— economy. they thought they were gohg to get e— economy. they thought they were going to get a different kind of setttement— going to get a different kind of settlement. and— going to get a different kind of settlement. and the end, settlement. and in the end, therew— settlement. and in the end, andrew—got- settlement. and in the end, andrew,_got is settlement. and in the end,- andrew,_got is not andrew, what they've got is not stt— andrew, what they've got is not stt-the— andrew, what they've got is not stt-the see- andrew, what they've got is not just-the same, but- just more of the same, but eetwettv— just more of the same, but actually what— just more of the same, but actually what we have before, hwt— actually what we have before, hwt-oh — actually what we have before, but-on steroids. - actually what we have before, but on steroids. but put on steroids. so a lot of people— but put on steroids. so a lot of people will say that part of the problem those who problem is that those people who are raising those concerns were basically racists, basically dismissed as racists, when course, were when of course, they were concerned things as concerned about things such as wage the impact wage depression and the impact on communities. is that on their communities. is that is that a view of that? yeah, that a fair view of that? yeah, i mean, i always get- that a fair view of that? yeah, i mean, i always get in- ” . .“el.7 yeah, i mean, i always get in trouble on tthter— i mean, i always get in trouble on twitter because— i mean, i always get in trouble on twitter because i point this out on twitter because i point this owt-ll— on twitter because i point this owt-ll-loot- on twitter because i point this out-if-lookleveryl out that if you look at every. serlows—thts serious survey we have in this oowntrv— serious survey we have in this eowhtrv. th— serious survey we have in this eowhtrv. th e— serious survey we have in this country, i'm a social scientist. i country, i'm a social scientist. l loot— country, i'm a social scientist. l loot et— country, i'm a social scientist. i look at data— country, i'm a social scientist. i look at data britain has has het— i look at data britain has has never had levels— i look at data britain has has never had levels of racism as low— never had levels of racism as low es— never had levels of racism as low es thev— never had levels of racism as low as they .today. - never had levels of racism as low as they today. we are low as they are today. we are a rerhertehtv— low as they are today. we are a remarkably tolerant , welcoming remarkably tolerant, welcoming eowhtrv— remarkably tolerant, welcoming country _ studies i country and multiple studies heve— country and multiple studies heve l— country and multiple studies heve l rheeh— country and multiple studies have i mean, this is beyond

thhwte— have i mean, this is beyond thhwte .— have i mean, this is beyond ttspwte . l— have i mean, this is beyond dispute . i mean,- have i mean, this is beyond dispute . i mean, prejudice has dispute. i mean, prejudice has never been lower— dispute. i mean, prejudice has never been lower . and so dispute. i mean, prejudice has never been lower. and so this reettv— never been lower. and so this reettv. vow— never been lower. and so this really, you know,— never been lower. and so this really, you know, runs into the the— really, you know, runs into the the ot— really, you know, runs into the the ot ore— really, you know, runs into the kind of core woke— really, you know, runs into the kind of core woke claim that you stt— kind of core woke claim that you stt heert— kind of core woke claim that you just heard peter— kind of core woke claim that you just heard peter talking about, theh— just heard peter talking about, theh ls— just heard peter talking about, which is that— just heard peter talking about, which is that ultimately all western— which is that ultimately all western nations are institutionally racist and are eohswrhet by— institutionally racist and are consumed by prejudice, but eetwetlv— consumed by prejudice, but actually, britain isn't like thet.— actually, britain isn't like that, where _ actually, britain isn't like that, where people have become concerned. and— that, where people have become concerned. and i— that, where people have become concerned. and i think they've got good— concerned. and i think they've got good reason— concerned. and i think they've got good reason to feel concerned.— got good reason to feel concerned-a- got good reason to feel concerned. a is the political concerned. is a is the political eholees— concerned. is a is the political eholees thet— concerned. is a is the political choices that-being- concerned. is a is the political choices that being made in choices that are being made in westthhster.— choices that are being made in westminster. and— choices that are being made in westminster. and i give one westminster. and i give you one exempte— westminster. and i give you one exehhte so— westminster. and i give you one example. so we're— westminster. and i give you one example. so we're now spending the— example. so we're now spending the hlllloh— example. so we're now spending £1.8 billion every— example. so we're now spending £1.8 billion every year dealing wtth— £1.8 billion every year dealing thh the— £1.8 billion every year dealing with the effects— £1.8 billion every year dealing with the effects of the crisis in with the effects of the crisis lh .chehhet— with the effects of the crisis in channel housing in the channel housing asylum seeters— in the channel housing asylum seeters eht— in the channel housing asylum seekers and illegal migrants in hotets— seekers and illegal migrants in hotets .— seekers and illegal migrants in hotets . thet— seekers and illegal migrants in hotels . that is— seekers and illegal migrants in hotels . that is more money than hotels. that is more money than we soehthg— hotels. that is more money than we are spending levelling up the north—west— we are spending levelling up the north—west and— we are spending levelling up the north—west and north—east and vortsere— north—west and north—east and yorkshire combined. so these holltleet— yorkshire combined. so these political choices— yorkshire combined. so these political choices are having enormous effects. mass migration is enormous effects. mass migration ls heth— enormous effects. mass migration ls heth wset— enormous effects. mass migration ls hehg wset to— enormous effects. mass migration is being used to prop up the thher— is being used to prop up the higher education sector. it's hehg— higher education sector. it's hehg wset— higher education sector. it's being used to— higher education sector. it's being used to hide the fact got— being used to hide the fact got 5— being used to hide the fact we've got 5 million people on wellere— we've got 5 million people on wetlere eht— we've got 5 million people on welfare and it's— we've got 5 million people on welfare and it's being used, by the wev.— welfare and it's being used, by the wev. to— welfare and it's being used, by the way, to bring— welfare and it's being used, by the way, to bring in low skilled wortes— the way, to bring in low skilled workers on salary— the way, to bring in low skilled workers on salary thresholds thet— workers on salary thresholds thet ere— workers on salary thresholds thet es— workers on salary thresholds that are as low—

workers on salary thresholds that are as low as 21,000, which is that are as low as 21,000, which ls llte— that are as low as 21,000, which ls the ter— that are as low as 21,000, which is like ten grand— that are as low as 21,000, which is like ten grand below the hetlohet— is like ten grand below the national average wage. so when sorts— national average wage. so when horls lohhsoh— national average wage. so when boris johnson said— national average wage. so when boris johnson said to everybody or the— boris johnson said to everybody or the conservatives today, say to evervhotv— or the conservatives today, say to everybody, we're reshaping the eowhtrv— to everybody, we're reshaping the country-high- to everybody, we're reshaping the country high school the country around high school thgretloh.— the country around high school migration,-true.- migration, that's not true. thev-re — migration, that's not true. thev-re-tohg- migration, that's not true. they're doing that at all. they're not doing that at all. the— they're not doing that at all. ant-reettv— they're not doing that at all. and-really where - they're not doing that at all. and really where i have and this is really where i have a and this is really where i have e rrohterh— and this is really where i have a problem .the _ and this is really where i have a problem the conservatives a problem with the conservatives is a problem with the conservatives ls heese— a problem with the conservatives is because they're— a problem with the conservatives is because they're not really relorthhg— is because they're not really- relorthhg—wev reforming the economy in a way thet— reforming the economy in a way thet we— reforming the economy in a way thet we need— reforming the economy in a way that we need them— reforming the economy in a way that we need them to reform the eohov— that we need them to reform the economy—deliver- that we need them to reform the economy_ deliver on i economy in order to deliver on the—whet- economy in order to deliver on the—whet the- economy in order to deliver on the _what the last. economy in order to deliver on. the _what the last ten the promise of what the last ten veers— the promise of what the last ten years was really— the promise of what the last ten years was really all— the promise of what the last ten years was really all about. but is years was really all about. but ls lt— years was really all about. but ls lt hot— years was really all about. but ls lt hot the— years was really all about. but is it not the case— years was really all about. but is it not the case that there are some elements of society that do depend upon migration? i mean, is a very good mean, the nhs is a very good example. it would pretty much collapse, well, collapse, wouldn't it? well, i'll example. with i'll give you one example. with the absolutely i'll give you one example. with the-absolutely true. - i'll give you one example. with the-absolutely true. we. i'll give you one example. with�* the-absolutely true. we do the nhs, absolutely true. we do need— the nhs, absolutely true. we do need-migration,- the nhs, absolutely true. we do need migration, but we need some migration, but we probably— need some migration, but we probably don-t— need some migration, but we probably don't 606,000 net probably don't need 606,000 net migration. — probably don't need 606,000 net migration. _we- migration. take the nhs. the part— migration. take the nhs. the part-reason— migration. take the nhs. the part-reason the- migration. take the nhs. the part reason the nhs is in part of the reason the nhs is in crisis— part of the reason the nhs is in crisis-because— part of the reason the nhs is in crisis.because.the- part of the reason the nhs is in crisis because the last crisis is because for the last ten— crisis is because for the last ten-we-ve— crisis is because for the last ten we've imported doctors ten years we've imported doctors from— ten years we've imported doctors from-mome- from typically low income oounntoo— from typically low income countries while failing to expand— countries while failing to expand the— countries while failing to expand the number of medical school— school places in britain. so we tum— school places in britain. so we turn-somewhere- school places in britain. so we turn somewhere around 20 turn away somewhere around 20 30,000— turn away somewhere around 20| 30,000 _ british 30,000 applications from british kios— 30,000 applications from british kids who— 30,000 applications from british kids who wooi— 30,000 applications from british kids who want become d0ct0rs. kids who want to become d0ct0rs. sosiooiiy— kids who want to become d0ct0rs. basically because _ kids who want to become d0ct0rs. basically because we say it's ioo— basically because we say it's too expensive _ basically because we say it's too expensive to— basically because we say it's too expensive to create the moiiooi— too expensive to create the moiiooi-io- too expensive to create thei medical-to .them too expensive to create the- medical-to-them into medical places to get them into iioining. — medical places to get them into iioining. iiioi— medical places to get them into training. that is—

medical places to get them into training. that is a— medical places to get them into training. that is a political choice.— training. that is a political ch0ice. andrew— training. that is a political ch0ice. andrew that the government,- ch0ice. andrew that the government, b0th ch0ice. andrew that the government, both and ch0ice. andrew that the- government, both-and right, government, b0th left and right, hove— government, both left and right, hove-order— government, both left and right, hove-order io- government, both left and right, have order to again rely have made in order to again rely on imooiiing— have made in order to again rely on importing mass— have made in order to again rely on importing mass migration to 0n importing mass migration to oonoooi— 0n importing mass migration to oonoooi iso— on importing mass migration to conceal the obvious problems in our economy . why— conceal the obvious problems in our economy . my our economy. why does the conservative party under rishi sunak that this is a sunak recognise that this is a problem? will have to fix if problem? it will have to fix if it wants to stand any chance whatsoever in the election? whatsoever in the next election? so to people in and so if you talk to people in and around they accept around number 10, they accept migration is a big problem. what i think worries of what i think worries us some of ions — what i think worries us some of ions liisoi— what i think worries us some of them .that cabinet— what i think worries us some of them that cabinet ministers them is that cabinet ministers hove— them is that cabinet ministers have decided,— them is that cabinet ministers have decided, i— them is that cabinet ministers have decided, i think in my view oni— have decided, i think in my view and convo— have decided, i think in my view and conva sensations and so on, im— and conva sensations and so on, no iso— and conva sensations and so on, no is iooi— and conva sensations and so on, that the real issue— and conva sensations and so on, that the real issue is the small ioois— that the real issue is the small ioois iigiiii— that the real issue is the small boats, right? that— that the real issue is the small boats, right? that it's not iogoi— boats, right? that it's not legal migration. if they fix the smoii— legal migration. if they fix the smoii booi— legal migration. if they fix the small boat problem, if they fix the small boat problem, if they fix is iiiogoi— small boat problem, if they fix the illegal migration problem, this the illegal migration problem, nos—away.- the illegal migration problem, this—away. that's this issue will go away. that's simply— this issue will go away. that's simply noi— this issue will go away. that's simply noi iso— this issue will go away. that's simply not the case. what we are going— simply not the case. what we are going io— simply not the case. what we are going io so— simply not the case. what we are going io ovoi— simply not the case. what we are going to see over the next ten yos— going to see over the next ten yos ii— going to see over the next ten yoons i no— going to see over the next ten years, if we maintain numbers iiio— years, if we maintain numbers iiio inis— years, if we maintain numbers iiio inis is— years, if we maintain numbers like this, is unprecedented pressure on national health pressure on the national health sonioo— pressure on the national health sonioo .— pressure on the national health service , schools,— pressure on the national health service , schools, environment, service, schools, environment, nonsing.— service, schools, environment, nonsing. i— service, schools, environment, nousing. i noon— service, schools, environment, housing. i mean, we built 204 000— housing. i mean, we built 204 000 nonos— housing. i mean, we built 204 000 homes last— housing. i mean, we built 204 000 homes last year on these nignoiion— 000 homes last year on these migration numbers. andrew we're going— migration numbers. andrew we're going io— migration numbers. andrew we're going io nood— migration numbers. andrew we're going io nooi io— migration numbers. andrew we're going to need to build 616,000 nonos— going to need to build 616,000 nonos ovon— going to need to build 616,000

homes every year— going to need to build 616,000 homes every year just to deal niin— homes every year just to deal niin ino— homes every year just to deal with the extra— homes every year just to deal with the extra demand for nigniion— with the extra demand for migration, not— with the extra demand for migration, not homes for british ooooio,— migration, not homes for british ooooio, insi— migration, not homes for british ooooio, iusi io— migration, not homes for british people, just to deal with the oxno — people, just to deal with the extra demand— people, just to deal with the extra demand for migration. ian so extra demand for migration. ian so con— extra demand for migration. ian so no— extra demand for migration. ian so no insi— extra demand for migration. ian so can we just get— extra demand for migration. ian so can we just get real first in inis— so can we just get real first in this conversation— so can we just get real first in this conversation about about wnoi— this conversation about about no inis— this conversation about about no no is— this conversation about about what this is doing to, to our sooioiyo— what this is doing to, to our sooioiyo ani — what this is doing to, to our society? and voters aren't sinoioi— society? and voters aren't stupid, right?— society? and voters aren't stupid, right? they can see innongn—sool through this. they can see nnoi-s— through this. they can see what's happening. through this. they can see- what's-happening. and through this. they can see- whthe _happening. and through this. they can see whthe conservatives ening. and through this. they can see whthe conservatives i1ing. and through this. they can see whthe conservatives i think, .nd so the conservatives i think, going— so the conservatives i think, going io— so the conservatives i think, going io io— so the conservatives i think, are going to be left in this on— are going to be left in this very difficult— are going to be left in this very difficult situation next yon— very difficult situation nextl yoon—givon very difficult situation next- yoon—givon you year and saying we've given you oonnoi. — year and saying we've given you oonnoi. _wovo — year and saying we've given you control. we've we've control. right. we've we've iognn— control. right. we've we've iognn io— control. right. we've we've begun to reduce- control. right. we've we've begun to reduce the number of ioois— begun to reduce the number of ioois in— begun to reduce the number of ioois in ino— begun to reduce the number of boats in the channel. but i inini— boats in the channel. but i inini-oi— boats in the channel. but i think-of voters- boats in the channel. but i think of voters are going think lots of voters are going to think lots of voters are going io io— think lots of voters are going io no iooiing— think lots of voters are going to be looking at— think lots of voters are going to be looking at britain and saying,— to be looking at britain and saying-gigg- to be looking at britain and. saying,-feel-have saying, i don't feel like i have connoi— saying, i don't feel like i have oonnoi. ii— saying, i don't feel like i have control. if anything, the pace of control. if anything, the pace oi-is— control. if anything, the pace oi-is goiiing- control. if anything, the pace of is getting faster. if of change is getting faster. if anything— of change is getting faster. if anythinglthe_ of change is getting faster. if anythinglthe-is. of change is getting faster. if anything the is not anything, the economy is not ioing— anything, the economy is not ioing iixooi— anything, the economy is not being fixed. if— anything, the economy is not being fixed. if anything, both the being fixed. if anything, both ino—ioionn the conservatives and labour novo—ionl have gone back to this low growin— have gone back to this low growth, productivity, high growth, low productivity, high nignoiion— growth, low productivity, high migration economy which is oxooiiy— migration economy which is oxooiiy nnoi— migration economy which is exactly what they thought they woo-ni— exactly what they thought they woo-iii oi— exactly what they thought they were-rid of when - exactly what they thought they were rid of when they were getting rid of when they voioi— were getting rid of when they voioi ion— were getting rid of when they voted for brexit— were getting rid of when they voted for brexit 2016. voted for brexit in 2016. iioiinon— voted for brexit in 2016. matthew goodwin , thanks so much matthew goodwin, thanks so much for matthew goodwin, thanks so much ion ioining— matthew goodwin, thanks so much ionioining — matthew goodwin, thanks so much for joining me. thank— matthew goodwin, thanks so much for joining me. forjoining me. thank you so that's it for the first hour of the show, but plenty more to come in the second hour, including more questions from my

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sutcliffe, who's been banned from _professionj sutcliffe, who's been banned. from _ profession in from the teaching profession in onion— from the teaching profession in onion ooiiing— from the teaching profession in after calling a— from the teaching profession in after calling a transgender pupi— after calling a transgender mm“ o— after calling a transgender mm“ o gin.— after calling a transgender pupil a girl. he's formerly a mains— pupil a girl. he's formerly a maths teacher— pupil a girl. he's formerly a maths teacher in oxford. snioiiiio— maths teacher in oxford. sutcliffe admits not using a ouoii-s— sutcliffe admits not using a pupil's preferred pronouns and to pupil's preferred pronouns and io novo— pupil's preferred pronouns and io novo noi— pupil's preferred pronouns and to have not treated them with iigniiy— to have not treated them with iigniiy oni— to have not treated them with dignity and respect and he's oionning— dignity and respect and he's oionning io— dignity and respect and he's planning to appeal the decision . so— planning to appeal the decision . so inis— planning to appeal the decision . so no is— planning to appeal the decision .so this is an— planning to appeal the decision . so this is an interesting one, ion-i— . so this is an interesting one, isn-i ii?— . so this is an interesting one, isn't it? because— . so this is an interesting one, isn't it? because i'm a free spooon— isn't it? because i'm a free speech absolutist. i think iooonons— speech absolutist. i think teachers should be able to oxnosso— teachers should be able to express their— teachers should be able to express their views however they teachers should be able to exproutside r views however they teachers should be able to exproutside ofiews however they teachers should be able to exproutside of the however they teachers should be able to exproutside of the schooler they teachers should be able to exproutside of the school .r they teachers should be able to exproutside of the school . does like outside of the school. does it like outside of the school. does ii mongo— like outside of the school. does ii onongo, ioo,— like outside of the school. does it change, leo, when the views are it change, leo, when the views gniio — it change, leo, when the views are quite extreme— it change, leo, when the views are quite extreme ? let's put it are quite extreme? let's put it inn— are quite extreme? let's put it no wav- — are quite extreme? let's put it no wav- no— are quite extreme? let's put it that way. he wasn't- are quite extreme? let's put it that way. it; " e of» g are quite extreme? let's put it that way. it; e of» g e are quite extreme? let's put it that way. it; " e of» g e that way. he wasn't doing it to attack her or him or whatever it is. i think he said, well done, girls. yeah, a of girls. girls. yeah, to a room of girls. then he immediately, immediately apologised. and so wasn't apologised. and so he wasn't doing to attack damage as doing it to attack or damage as far as as far as we know. and i think it's very telling where we are in society. the same week a teacher was suspended for just two years for a sexually messaging a pupil and that seems to be more acceptable than misgendering. why is misgendering. why is misgendering even even an issue? if somebody misgendered me, i wouldn't care. oh, what's she like anyway ? there is . there is

like anyway? there is. there is an issue, though,— like anyway? there is. there is an issue, though, isn't- c , there is. there is an issue, though, isn't there, nonoo— an issue, though, isn't there, here? because— an issue, though, isn't there, here? because you know, when it io— here? because you know, when it io ino— here? because you know, when it comes to the social— comes to the social transitioning of children at sonoois— transitioning of children at schools, there's— transitioning of children at schools, there's actually a big ioioio— schools, there's actually a big debate about— schools, there's actually a big debate about whether that's a good— debate about whether that's a good iioo— debate about whether that's a good iioo on— debate about whether that's a good no on o— debate about whether that's a good idea or a bad idea. and inn— good idea or a bad idea. and no ioioio— good idea or a bad idea. and that debate has— good idea or a bad idea. and that debate has not been settled by any— that debate has not been settled by any nons— that debate has not been settled by any is— that debate has not been settled by any means. is it— that debate has not been settled by any means. is it right that a iooonon— by any means. is it right that a teacher should— by any means. is it right that a teacher should be— by any means. is it right that a teacher should be thrown out of the profession _ teacher should be thrown out of the profession for— teacher should be thrown out of the profession for that? i i personally— the profession for that? i i personally don't think it's igni— personally don't think it's nigni-ani- personally don't think it's right-and i'm- personally don't think it's right-and i'm a. personally don't think it's- right-and i'm a little right at all. and i'm a little bit worried that the teaching regulation authority have actually banned this teacher from it becomes from teaching. when it becomes your life . he literally your whole life. he literally said his statement, just said in his statement, i just feel i'm putting children feel like i'm putting children in danger for if i teach them this kind of ideology about different genders that i personally think is dangerous . personally think is dangerous. so where do you stand, though, on remarks he's— so where do you stand, though, on remarks he's made outside of the on remarks he's made outside of no oossioonn— on remarks he's made outside of the classroom? because this io— the classroom? because this io io— the classroom? because this seems to be the— the classroom? because this seems to be the key thing, ioosn-i— seems to be the key thing, ioosn-i ii?— seems to be the key thing, doesn't it? so,— seems to be the key thing, doesn't it? so, for instance, inis— doesn't it? so, for instance, ins-biog- doesn't it? so, for instance, this-blog,.said| doesn't it? so, for instance,- this-blog,.said the this from his blog, he said the nonosoxnoi— this from his blog, he said the homosexual—an. homosexual act itself is an abomination— homosexual act itself is anl abomination—not homosexual act itself is an- abomination_not be abomination and should not be oonionoi— abomination and should not be condoned-our— abomination and should not be condoned our society. people condoned by our society. people inno— condoned by our society. people nno—oois- condoned by our society. people who _ acts should . condoned by our society. people. who _ acts should face who commit such acts should face a who commit such acts should face oovon- prison— who commit such acts should face oovon- prison. - who commit such acts should face a-even prison . well,- who commit such acts should face a-even prison . well, i. a fine or even prison. well, i iiin-i— a fine or even prison. well, i didn't know about that . but he didn't know about that. but he made those remarks—

didn't know about that. but he made those remarks on- i: i: " e but he made those remarks on his own oniooio— made those remarks on his own onivoio. nui— made those remarks on his own onvoio. iii no— made those remarks on his own private. but he didn't say that in ino— private. but he didn't say that in the classroom.— private. but he didn't say that in the classroom. not a private iiog. — in the classroom. not a private iiog. i— in the classroom. not a private iiog. i noon.— in the classroom. not a private blog. i mean, the— in the classroom. not a private blog. " blog. i mean, the whole point of a blog is like anybody, anybody can look at it. so that's then oongiiooios— can look at it. so that's then complicates the— it?" e so that's then complicates the question, ioosn-i— complicates the question, ioosn-ilso— complicates the question, doesn't-so he- complicates the question, doesn't so he didn't it doesn't it? so he didn't say it in ino— doesn't it? so he didn't say it in no oiss— doesn't it? so he didn't say it in the class. he— doesn't it? so he didn't say it in the class. he didn't say it in the class. he didn't say it in ino— in the class. he didn't say it in the lesson.— in the class. he didn't say it in the lesson. yeah, but if they if in the lesson. yeah, but if they ii inoy-i— in the lesson. yeah, but if they ii inoy-i soii— in the lesson. yeah, but if they if they'd said we're suspending you iooouso— if they'd said we're suspending you because _you- if they'd said we're suspending you because _you in you because of what you wrote in inis— you because of what you wrote in ins—oi- this blog, then that's part of ii. — this blog, then that's part of ii. inn-s— this blog, then that's part of it. that's that's— this blog, then that's part of it. that's that's part- this blog, then that's part of it. that's that's part of it. all right. but no, also, apparently— all right. but no, also, apparently he- g but no, also, apparently he discussed a poniouion— apparently he discussed a particular case— apparently he discussed a particular case with a child on tv particular case with a child on iv oni— particular case with a child on tv and - broke _ particular case with a child on tv and .broke the - particular case with a child on tv and broke the data tv and that broke the data onoiooiion— tv and that broke the data protection or— tv and that broke the data protection or some kind of gnoiooiion— protection or some kind of protection issue, right? yeah noon.— protection issue, right? yeah yeah-—isl protection issue, right? yeah. noon—is ii-s yeah. so what i'm saying is it's amoiel— yeah. so what i'm saying is it's a more complicated than just a bit more complicated than just the misgendering,— a bit more complicated than just the misgendering, right? but ovon—i- the misgendering, right? but ovon—i iooi- the misgendering, right? buti even—i took that even so, i believe i took that daily— even so, i believe i took that daily-headline- even so, i believe i took that daily-headline at- even so, i believe i took that daily headline at face daily mail headline at face iuo — daily mail headline at face value. _more- daily mail headline at face. value. _more nuance daily mail headline at face- value. _more nuance and value. there's more nuance and detail to this case, detail to this, to this case, but i'm interested. there must be of but i'm interested. there must be-of teachers— but i'm interested. there must be-of teachers in- but i'm interested. there must be-of teachers in the- be lots of teachers in the oounin— be lots of teachers in the country-think- be lots of teachers in the- country .think-being be lots of teachers in the- country-think-being gay country who think that being gay ougni— country who think that being gay ougni-ogoinsi— country who think that being gay ought-against the- country who think that being gay ought against the law, ought to be against the law, poniouioniy— ought to be against the law, particularly religious teachers. i particularly religious teachers. i—ooiuoiiy- i think there are actually. igni— i think there are actually. run-know,- i think there are actually. right. know, and in that right. you know, and in that woo—mindl case, i don't actually mind that as case, i don't actually mind that os-inoy— case, i don't actually mind that os-inoy ion-i- case, i don't actually mind that as-they don't say- case, i don't actually mind that as-they don't say it- case, i don't actually mind that as they don't say it in as long as they don't say it in as long as they don't say it in a classroom. right. what do you gig,— a classroom. right. what do you gig, nionoo— a classroom. right. what do you gig, nionoo — a classroom. right. what do you think, diane? well,— a classroom. right. what do you think, diane? viii“ think, diane? well, i think what he blog was an he wrote on his blog was an abomination. and it

abomination. and i find it absolutely repellent that that's the he thinks. and but the way that he thinks. and but in society, the way that he thinks. and but in - society, people - the way that he thinks. and but in _society, people are - in a free society, people are oiiouoi— in a free society, people are allowed-have— in a free society, people are allowed have repellent views. allowed to have repellent views. you no— allowed to have repellent views. you are allowed— allowed to have repellent views. you are allowed to— allowed to have repellent views. you are allowed to have noooiioni— you are allowed to have repellent-and- you are allowed to have repellent and yeah. repellent views and yeah. and inon— repellent views and yeah. and inonlnoniiy— repellent views and yeah. and then . really does _ repellent views and yeah. and then really does muddy the then it really does muddy the waters because you can't help as then it really does muddy the wteachercause you can't help as then it really does muddy the wteacher totse you can't help as then it really does muddy the wteacher to let you can't help as then it really does muddy the wteacher to let even an't help as then it really does muddy the wteacher to let even yourielp as then it really does muddy the wteacher to let even your tone as a teacher to let even your tone of communicate you of voice communicate how you feel a certain topic. feel about a certain topic. yeah. so when if he was going yeah. so when he if he was going to stick to the curriculum where he taught like personal social health education and he taught about same sex relationships, how do you know that he's going to deliver that in a way that is fair and just? it's actually guiio— fair and just? it's actually quite complicated,- ” e�*i: _.~;fi7’ it's actually quite complicated, isn't ” e�*i: _.~;fi7 it's actually quite complicated, isn't it? nui— quite complicated, isn't it? nui on— quite complicated, isn't it? nui on ino— quite complicated, isn't it? but on the other— quite complicated, isn't it? but on the other hand,- quite complicated, isn't it? but on the other hand, i mean, having a few people like that might balance out all the drag queen story hours. so interesting point. leo, let's move on now to— interesting point. leo, let's move on now to a- g leo, let's move on now to a question from anno— move on now to a question from ann. wnono-s— move on now to a question from anita. where's anita? hiya e anita. where's anita? hiya is it gonooiuo— anita. where's anita? hiya is it genocide is— anita. where's anita? hiya is it genocide to not— anita. where's anita? hiya is it genocide to not let— anita. where's anita? hiya is it genocide to not let transgender cyclists race against females? no . the answer to that is no. no. the answer to that is no. nui— no. the answer to that is no. nui ions— no. the answer to that is no. but let's let's— no. the answer to that is no. but let's let's answer it anyway , iooouso ii— but let's let's answer it anyway , because it sounds— but let's let's answer it anyway , because it sounds as crazy. nui— , because it sounds as crazy. nui on— , because it sounds as crazy. nui oi ouos—

, because it sounds as crazy. nui oi .— , because it sounds as crazy. but of course , there's been this but of course, there's been this ion— but of course, there's been this ion inis— but of course, there's been this ban this week— but of course, there's been this ban this week by— but of course, there's been this ban this week by british cycling saying— ban this week by british cycling soying inn,— ban this week by british cycling soying gig, you— ban this week by british cycling saying that, you know , people saying that, you know, people iuo-voi— saying that, you know, people who've transitioned to female nui— who've transitioned to female iui no— who've transitioned to female but are biologically male and noni— but are biologically male and noni innougn— but are biologically male and went through male puberty can't oonooio— went through male puberty can't oongoio ogoinsi— went through male puberty can't compete against women in cycling . ino— compete against women in cycling . ino inns— compete against women in cycling . the trans cyclist— compete against women in cycling . the trans cyclist emily iniigos— . the trans cyclist emily bridges has— . the trans cyclist emily bridges has lashed out and said inn— bridges has lashed out and said no inis— bridges has lashed out and said no no is— bridges has lashed out and said that this is genocide. the word nos— that this is genocide. the word nos oo— that this is genocide. the word has come from _ that this is genocide. the word has come from emily bridges. inis— has come from emily bridges. no is— has come from emily bridges. this is actual— has come from emily bridges. this is actual genocide . it's this is actual genocide. it's noi— this is actual genocide. it's not genocide,— this is actual genocide. it's not genocide, is— this is actual genocide. it's not genocide, is it? no, it is. i not genocide, is it? no, it is. i noon— not genocide, is it? no, it is. i ii— not genocide, is it? no, it is. i ii you— not genocide, is it? no, it is. i mean, if you look at the annonion— i mean, if you look at the armenian genocide, that was ooiuoiiy— armenian genocide, that was ooiuoiiy iusi— armenian genocide, that was actually just the— armenian genocide, that was actually just the turkish iuniisn— actually just the turkish turkish government stopping men oonooiing— turkish government stopping men oonooiing in— turkish government stopping men competing in women's cycling. nonn— competing in women's cycling. noon .— competing in women's cycling. noon . so— competing in women's cycling. yeah . so there— competing in women's cycling. yeah . so there is— competing in women's cycling. / f: competing in women's cycling. fin?" f: yeah. so there is precedent for this. yeah, it's interesting. ino— this. yeah, it's interesting. ino nogos— yeah, it's interesting. the wages they've had all their iiios— the wages they've had all their iiios ioion— the wages they've had all their bikes taken away. "i; ”it; bikes taken away. they're not allowed cycle at all. yeah, allowed to cycle at all. yeah, that's the genocide. bridges says a that's the genocide. bridges says-a violent- that's the genocide. bridges says-a violent act.- that's the genocide. bridgesl says-a violent act. this says this is a violent act. this is histrionic_ says this is a violent act. this is histrionic nonsense, isn't it? is histrionic nonsense, isn't iii inis— is histrionic nonsense, isn't iii no is— is histrionic nonsense, isn't it? this is absolute rubbish. i inni— it? this is absolute rubbish. i saw that statement- it? this is absolute rubbish. i saw that statement by- it? this is absolute rubbish. i saw that statement by emily bridges . and what is interesting bridges. and what is interesting is it is pure deflection, like pulling in as many hyperbolic over the top keywords as possible and to say, oh yes, but the government does this and this happens over here and genocide and i'm being persecuted . and it's like, wait,

persecuted. and it's like, wait, stop at no point do you actually address the issue of why , why? address the issue of why, why? yes, they're going to have an open category for men because you're not being banned. you just can't compete against women. yeah. because obviously, unon— women. yeah. because obviously, unon you— women. yeah. because obviously, nnon you-innougn— women. yeah. because obviously, when you .through male - when you go through male onion,— puberty, you have advantages inn— puberty, you have advantages inoi—iusil that cannot be undone just sinoiy— that cannot be undone just simply—your. simply by reducing your testosterone— simply by reducing your testosterone being testosterone levels, being ioiion—nnul testosterone levels, beingl better—and it's better at cycling. and it's interesting that it's interesting that it's interesting that it's interesting that diane said hyperbolic because that is one of the injuries you can get as a transgender cyclist. goodness me, leo won some award for puns years ago and he's never let it go. right. we've got a question inon— go. right. we've got a question inon noo.— git» right. we've got a question now from aidy. where's aidy ? now from aidy. where's aidy? coon— now from aidy. where's aidy? ovon nono. — now from aidy. where's aidy? over here. hello. sizriz; over here. hello. hello there. why are the bbc being criticised for trying to verify their facts? okay, so bbc news this wooi— facts? okay, so bbc news this noon inoy-vo— f7 okay, so bbc news this week they've launched bbc verify , union — week they've launched bbc verify , union is— week they've launched bbc verify , union is o— week they've launched bbc verify , which is a new— week they've launched bbc verify , which is a new brand. it's going— , which is a new brand. it's going io— , which is a new brand. it's going to address- , which is a new brand. it's going to address what they call the going to address what they call no going— going to address what they call the growing threat of disinformation. want disinformation. they want to iuiii— disinformation. they want to iuiii inusi— disinformation. they want to build trust with— disinformation. they want to build trust with the audience . build trust with the audience. do build trust with the audience. i>o you— build trust with the audience. do you inusi— build trust with the audience. do you trust them? the bbc . do you trust them? the bbc. but this do you trust them? the bbc. but inis inis— do you trust them? the bbc. but inis inis is— do you trust them? the bbc. but this this is the— do you trust them? the bbc. but this this is the bbc— do you trust them? the bbc. but this this is the bbc launching their own fact checking service, which going to check facts

which is going to check facts and bbc report says you can't mark your homework like mark your own homework like this. who fact checks the fact checkers ridiculous. we've checkers is ridiculous. we've already you know already seen with you know onune already seen with you know online on fact checkers such as snopes that they can be very politically biased. yes. and, you know, leave out contextual information and, you know, to the to the point that nobody now trusts the fact checkers. and we've this week we've seen just just this week the reporting on the cardiff the bbc reporting on the cardiff riots . so they showed the police riots. so they showed the police van apparently allegedly pursuing the kids that were on an e—bike and they cut they cut the footage. so the van just appeared out of mid—air instead of, you know, it's hit the pause between the cyclist going past and then the i saw that i saw that clip. it did actually noiiooiiy— that clip. it did actually radically change- cc it did actually radically change the implication of radically change the implication oi ino— radically change the implication oi ino iooiogo— radically change the implication of the footage that you were sooing. — of the footage that you were sooing. ani— of the footage that you were seeing. and you— of the footage that you were seeing. and you know, that kind of seeing. and you know, that kind oi iiing— seeing. and you know, that kind oi ining. con— seeing. and you know, that kind of thing. can the— seeing. and you know, that kind of thing. can the bbc be trusted to of thing. can the bbc be trusted io iooi— of thing. can the bbc be trusted io iooi snook— of thing. can the bbc be trusted to fact check themselves? do you inno— to fact check themselves? do you gig, givon— to fact check themselves? do you think, given that?— to fact check themselves? do you think, given that? i— to fact check themselves? do you think, given that? i think we were—knowl think, given that? i think we- were_know there were all aware that i know there are were all aware that i know there ioioios— were all aware that i know there are debates-bbc- were all aware that i know there are debates bbc impartial are debates about bbc impartial iioiiy— are debates about bbc impartial iioiiy, nui— are debates about bbc impartial iioiiy, iui i— are debates about bbc impartial motty, but i think— are debates about bbc impartial motty, but i think comes motty, but i think when it comes to motty, but i think when it comes io-oi— motty, but i think when it comes io-oi ino— motty, but i think when it comes io-oi ino nono- to the issue of the woke iiooiogy, — to the issue of the woke ideology, they - to the issue of the woke ideology, they are captured, on-oni— ideology, they are captured, onon-i-ioi-s- ideology, they are captured, aren't-let's be - ideology, they are captured, aren't let's be honest, aren't they? let's be honest,

inoy— aren't they? let's be honest,| inoy—niso they are captured. but also i remember many years ago, during the height of the syrian war, there was a news report about buses taking refugees and civilians out of aleppo . and it civilians out of aleppo. and it was great news because they were going to take the civilians out. i flicked over to rmt, who had exactly the same story, and they included a key piece of information the bbc left out those buses . buses were sent in those buses. buses were sent in by the russian army and as i flicked between the two channels on one channel, you got the impression from the bbc that it was actually our forces his that had sent in these buses . and it had sent in these buses. and it wasn't. it was the russian who had sent them in. and i checked it online soon. and as soon as i saw that, i thought that that is terrible. you're missing out a key piece of information. you don't think that could- f iii" you don't think that could have been just don't think that could have been iusi o— don't think that could have been rusi o nisioio,— don't think that could have been just a mistake, just— don't think that could have been just a mistake, just an oyonsigni,— just a mistake, just an oversight, not the way they were ioiivoning — oversight, not the way they were ooiivoning _nos— oversight, not the way they were delivering but delivering it. it was not. but inis— delivering it. it was not. but no is— delivering it. it was not. but this is interesting— delivering it. e but this is interesting because nonoooys— this is interesting because nowadays, whenever i read a news siony—onooi— nowadays, whenever i read a news siony—onooi ii- nowadays, whenever i read a news siony—onooi ii in- story, i normally check it in more-one source- story, i normally check it in more one source because more than one source because i iusi— more than one source because i iusi-inou— more than one source because i

just-know whether- more than one source because i just know whether i'm more than one source because i just to know whether i'm more than one source because i just to get ow whether i'm more than one source because i just to get the ivhether i'm more than one source because i just to get the fullher i'm more than one source because i just to get the full story. 1 more than one source because i just to get the full story. and going to get the full story. and you— going to get the full story. and you son— going to get the full story. and you son oi— going to get the full story. and you sort of know— going to get the full story. and you sort of know to if you sort of know to filter if youo— you sort of know to filter if you're reading— you sort of know to filter if you're reading something in the ouonoion— you're reading something in the ouonoion ii-s— you're reading something in the guardian, it's got— you're reading something in the guardian, it's got its own bias inn,— guardian, it's got its own bias inn-know,— guardian, it's got its own bias that,-know,.filter- guardian, it's got its own bias that, know, filter the that, you know, to filter the ions— that, you know, to filter the facts through— that, you know, to filter the facts through through your head. like facts through through your head. iiio-soy— facts through through your head. iiio-soy o— facts through through your head. like-say a comedian- facts through through your head. like-say a comedian is- like if you say a comedian is good, they're going be good, they're going to be terrible. and you're going terrible. yeah and you're going to when they give to see comedians when they give them reviews. yeah, i know. them bad reviews. yeah, i know. i'll them bad reviews. yeah, i know. i-iilin— them bad reviews. yeah, i know. i-iilin soio— them bad reviews. yeah, i know. i'll-in safe hands. - them bad reviews. yeah, i know. i'll-in safe hands. yeah,- i'll be in safe hands. yeah, ooh.— i'll be in safe hands. yeah, yeah, absolutely. and it's the same read the sun. so same when you read the sun. so the having one of these the idea of having one of these biased institutions or news outlets thing, biased institutions or news outlet apparently thing, biased institutions or news outlet apparently providingg, biased institutions or news outlet apparently providing some biased institutions or news outlioftpparently providing some biased institutions or news outliof objective' providing some biased institutions or news outliof objective truthiding some biased institutions or news outliof objective truth is ng some biased institutions or news outliof objective truth is just)me biased institutions or news outliof objec it'struth is just)me biased institutions or news outliof objec it's reallys just)me biased institutions or news outliof objec it's really funnynme a nonsense. it's really funny iooouso— a nonsense. it's really funny iooouso ino— it's really funny because the guardian sent sonoono-ny- because the guardian sent someone my club because the guardian sent- someone-my club comedy someone to review my club comedy unioosnoo— someone to review my club comedy unioosnoo in— someone to review my club comedy unleashed in london,— someone to review my club comedy unleashed in london, and the ion— unleashed in london, and the iooi inoi— unleashed in london, and the fact that they— unleashed in london, and the fact that they-lie - unleashed in london, and the fact that they lie about fact that they didn't lie about the fact that they didn't lie about ino-ovonyono— fact that they didn't lie about the-everyone was- the night everyone was congratulating them, saying, inis— congratulating them, saying,| inis—inoy-vo this is amazing. like they've inoy-vo,— this is amazing. like they've they've, - know, - this is amazing. like they've they've, know, they they've, you know, they they nnoio— they've, you know, they they wrote l balanced _ they've, you know, they they wrote balanced thing it wrote a balanced thing about it oni— wrote a balanced thing about it ono-oion-i— wrote a balanced thing about it and didn't misrepresent the and they didn't misrepresent the kind— and they didn't misrepresent the iino—inonol kind of people who were there iooouso— kind of people who were there because normally— kind of people who were there because normally they do nonnoiiy— because normally they do normally-just- because normally they do normally just lie. but it normally they just lie. but it snouion-i— normally they just lie. but iti shouldn't—should shouldn't be the case, should it, shouldn't be the case, should its-newspaper- shouldn't be the case, should it, newspaper gets it, that a newspaper gets congratulated _ it, that a newspaper gets congratulated for not lying? 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magazine came along to comedyl unleashed—had four unleashed. one night we had four left unleashed. one night we had four ioii-oonios— unleashed. one night we had four left-comics and— unleashed. one night we had four left-comics and one- unleashed. one night we had four left comics and one right left wing comics and one right wing— left wing comics and one right wing sonic— left wing comics and one right wing comic,-they- left wing comics and one right wing comic, they said there wing comic, and they said there ioion— wing comic, and they said there was one token left— wing comic, and they said there was one token left wing comic , was one token left wing comic, so—invonool so they completely inverted inoi. — so they completely inverted iioi-iusi— so they completely inverted iioi-iusi o— so they completely inverted that-just a-it. so they completely invertedl that-just a-it was that. it was just a lie. it was iusi— that. it was just a lie. it was iusi o— that. it was just a lie. it was iusi o-oui— that. it was just a lie. it was just a-out lie.- that. it was just a lie. it was just a out lie. very funny. just a flat out lie. very funny. oioy. — just a flat out lie. very funny. oioy. so— just a flat out lie. very funny. oioy. so oun— just a flat out lie. very funny. okay. so our next— just a flat out lie. very funny. okay. so our next question now is inon — okay. so our next question now is inon join.— okay. so our next question now is from john. where's john? hi, john- — is from john. where's john? hi, ion. is— is from john. where's john? hi, ronn. islio— is from john. where's john? hi, john. islto okay— is from john. where's john? hi, john. is to okay whiter john. is it to okay say whiter inon— john. is it to okay say whiter than white?— john. is it to okay say whiter than white? is— john. is it to okay say whiter than white? is it— john. is it to okay say whiter than white? is it okay to say nniion— than white? is it okay to say nniion inon— than white? is it okay to say whiter than racist? get out . i whiter than racist? get out. i ion-i— whiter than racist? get out. i ion-i know— whiter than racist? get out. i don't know about— whiter than racist? get out. i don't know about that, john. so no— don't know about that, john. so no is— don't know about that, john. so no is o— don't know about that, john. so this is a manager— don't know about that, john. so this is a manager at hs2 who suoo— this is a manager at hs2 who suoo ion— this is a manager at hs2 who sued for discrimination after oioining— sued for discrimination after oioining non— sued for discrimination after claiming her boss was being nooisi— claiming her boss was being nooisi nnon— claiming her boss was being racist when using the phrase nniion— racist when using the phrase nniion inon— racist when using the phrase whiter than white. did you read oioui— whiter than white. did you read oioui inis— whiter than white. did you read about this one,— whiter than white. did you read about this one, leo? because it is iusi— about this one, leo? because it is iusi o— about this one, leo? because it is us o onnoso,— about this one, leo? because it is just a phrase, isn't it? yeah sno— is just a phrase, isn't it? yeah sno noon-i— is just a phrase, isn't it? yeah she wasn't being— is just a phrase, isn't it? yeah she wasn't being racist. she noon-i— she wasn't being racist. she wosn-i ioing— she wasn't being racist. she wasn't being racist. but i've inis— wasn't being racist. but i've seen this coming up in other workplaces because every , every workplaces because every, every company has been captured by company now has been captured by equality, diversity and inclusion. that's, you know, that's just suffused through the hr department. and people know that get people into that they can get people into into also into trouble and also everybody's on everybody's walking on eggshells. everybody's walking on egglike, s. everybody's walking on egglike, you know , that's it's like, you know, that's really offensive to me as a vegan. it's like it's like being in ino— vegan. it's like it's like being in no iino— vegan. it's like it's like being in the time of— 3 it's like it's like being in the time of witches and, you know,— in the time of witches and, you know, ioing—

in the time of witches and, you know, being really— in the time of witches and, you know, being really worried that sonoiooy-s— know, being really worried that somebody's accuse somebody's going to accuse you of somebody's going to accuse you oi ioing— somebody's going to accuse you of beinglwitch. _ somebody's going to accuse you of being lwitch. so - somebody's going to accuse you of being witch. of being a witch. so you want to jump of being a witch. so you want to jump in and accuse someone else first because that shows that you're that you you're you're so pure that you can the finger. so, can point the finger. so, i mean, somebody a friend's work workplace, boss said, you workplace, their boss said, you know, somebody biscuits know, somebody had some biscuits or boss came or whatever and the boss came along and said, oh, these are these are very moreish . and these are very moreish. and obviously, know , means obviously, you know, that means more. some more or are more. you want some more or are you making this up? no, i swear to god, i you making this up? no, i swear io soo, i swoo— you making this up? no, i swear to god, i swear to— you making this up? no, i swear to god, i swear to god- you making this up? no, i swear to god, i swear to god i'm- g c. :i7 no, i swear to god, i swear to god i'm not noiing— to god, i swear to god i'm not noiing inis— to god, i swear to god i'm not noiing inis up. — to god, i swear to god i'm not making this up. ' 2 making this up. and he was accused of racism. he was accused of racism. he was accused of racism because that's. and even if they were moorish, if they did have some sort spicy north african tang sort of spicy north african tang , racist. , that wouldn't be racist. that's just a description of the biscuits should we be policing idioms like this ? no. whiter idioms like this? no. whiter than idioms like this? no. whiter inon wniio. — idioms like this? no. whiter than white. i— idioms like this? no. whiter than white. i mean- idioms like this? no. whiter than white. i mean ,- 2 c 57 no. whiter than white. i mean , to actually than white. i mean, to actually oooioo— than white. i mean, to actually oooioo-inoi-s— than white. i mean, to actually decide that's racist means decide that that's racist means youo— decide that that's racist means you nooiiy— decide that that's racist means you're really leaping, aren't you?— you're really leaping, aren't you? wouno— you're really leaping, aren't you? you're making some kind of inoginoiiwo— you? you're making some kind of imaginative-there.- you? you're making some kind of imaginative -there. - you? you're making some kind of imaginative there. you-7 you're making some kind of imaginative there. 2 imaginative leap there. i mean, it imaginative leap there. i mean, ii-guosiion— imaginative leap there. i mean, it question sensitive it does question how sensitive was person and what has she was this person and what has she been exposed to in her life? like, she that she took like, who is she that she took that out of that context because it was not applied to a person .

it was not applied to a person. it was applied to hs2's like work record or something like that. they said, well, we're not we're not white than white. you know. and that used to that used to be a slogan for a parcel of washing up powder , racist washing up powder, racist phrases . you get your whites phrases. you get your whites whiter than white. and the reason why she was this case was . not she was dismissed or something was that they said, well, she never brought up black. she never compared black because the woman said yes, but it's implies that white is good and black is bad. obviously. wosn-i— and black is bad. obviously. wosn-i ooing— and black is bad. obviously. wasn't doing that. - a“: f je�*z obviously. wasn't doing that. yeah p“: f :ipi2 obviously. wasn't doing that. yeah she wosni— wasn't doing that. yeah she wosni ooing— wasn't doing that. yeah she wasn't doing that and she was ioiiing— wasn't doing that and she was ioiiing oioui— wasn't doing that and she was talking about the _ wasn't doing that and she was talking about the work and but it talking about the work and but ii nonos— talking about the work and but ii nonos you— talking about the work and but it makes you think about the nonson— it makes you think about the oonson wno— it makes you think about the person who .this- it makes you think about the person who this kind of person who has this kind of iniggon— person who has this kind of iniggon iiio— person who has this kind of trigger like this. 1.3?an trigger like this. i'm ready to be triggered. maybe. trigger like this. 1.3?an jggzflic maybe. diane be triggered. maybe. diane inoiis— be triggered. maybe. diane inoi-s o— be triggered. maybe. diane that's a product— be triggered. maybe. diane that's a product of- jggzflic maybe. diane that's a product of this culture vou— that's a product of this culture you know,— that's a product of this culture war. you know, the— that's a product of this culture war. you know, the fact that now son oi— war. you know, the fact that now we've sort of become hyper hypersensitive— we've sort of become hyper hypersensitive ,_ we've sort of become hyper hypersensitive , hypersensitive hypersensitive, hypersensitive to hypersensitive, hypersensitive io—on— hypersensitive, hypersensitive io—oninoi- hypersensitive, hypersensitivel to_or that people to racial issues or that people sooing— to racial issues or that people are seeing racism— to racial issues or that people are seeing racism where it ooosn-i— are seeing racism where it doesn't exist. _ are seeing racism where it doesn't exist. yeah, absolutely.

i doesn't exist. yeah, absolutely. i-inono-s— doesn't exist. yeah, absolutely. i-inono-s onu— doesn't exist. yeah, absolutely. i-there's and it's- doesn't exist. yeah, absolutely. i-there's and it's funny. i mean, there's and it's funny that it's happening just as societies getting racist societies getting less racist than been. so the than it's ever been. so the supply racism isn't catching supply of racism isn't catching up with the demand for things to point at and say that's racist. so people are having to see it where it's not there. speaking of where it's not there. speaking oi wnion— where it's not there. speaking of which, this— where it's not there. speaking of which, this got— where it's not there. speaking of which, this got a- speaking of which, this got a question inon— of which, this got a question inon noui. — of which, this got a question inon noui. i— of which, this got a question from paul. i wasn't suggesting youo— from paul. i wasn't suggesting you o— from paul. i wasn't suggesting you o noisi— from paul. i wasn't suggesting you're a racist, paul. /:::. from paul. i wasn't suggesting you're a racist, paul. 4:3. you're a racist, paul. you know , you're a racist, paul. you know . noos— you're a racist, paul. you know . uoos ino— you're a racist, paul. you know , does the royal mail need to stamp out racism? well it's a good pun that sort of thing. leo would come up with. but this is inis— leo would come up with. but this is no is— leo would come up with. but this is no is o— leo would come up with. but this is this is a bizarre— leo would come up with. but this is this is a bizarre one. so posi— is this is a bizarre one. so ooso oiiioo— is this is a bizarre one. so post office prosecutors investigating sub postmasters in the investigating sub postmasters in no nonizon— investigating sub postmasters in the horizon scandal used a nooioi— the horizon scandal used a nooioi siun— the horizon scandal used a racial slur to— the horizon scandal used a racial slur to classify black wononsi so— racial slur to classify black workers. so this— racial slur to classify black workers. so this is a document inoi— workers. so this is a document inoi os— workers. so this is a document that was obtained _ workers. so this is a document that was obtained in a freedom of information— that was obtained in a freedom of information request. and i'm sonny,— of information request. and i'm sonny, nui— of information request. and i'm sonny, iui inis— of information request. and i'm sorry, but this strikes me as ooiuoiiy— sorry, but this strikes me as actually racist— sorry, but this strikes me as actually racist .— sorry, but this strikes me as actually racist . right? so the actually racist. right? so the onnoso— actually racist. right? so the onnoso wo— actually racist. right? so the phrase we can't— actually racist. right? so the phrase we can't use it on air, nui— phrase we can't use it on air, iui ii— phrase we can't use it on air, iui ii os— phrase we can't use it on air, iui ii on— phrase we can't use it on air, but it was an old— phrase we can't use it on air, but it was an old 18. no, sorry ioin— but it was an old 18. no, sorry ioin ooniuny— but it was an old 18. no, sorry 19th century racist— but it was an old 18. no, sorry 19th century racist term. and inoy— 19th century racist term. and inoy soio— 19th century racist term. and they said their— 19th century racist term. and they said their documents hadn't noon— they said their documents hadn't noon uoooioo—

they said their documents hadn't noon uoooioo .— they said their documents hadn't been updated . i'm— they said their documents hadn't been updated . i'm sorry. i'm been updated. i'm sorry. i'm nooiiy— been updated. i'm sorry. i'm really struggling with this one. now— really struggling with this one. now inis— really struggling with this one. how this could— really struggling with this one. how this could have possibly happened? — how this could have possibly happened? well,- how this could have possibly happened? �*piiizigc 2“ e how this could have possibly happened? �*piiizigc 20“ e happened? well, i don't remember how, you know, during the court case when they came with all case when they came in with all the parchment. yeah, exactly. like all the quills. it was absolutely appalling to read these terms and why are you categorising workers based on their race? why are you doing so? this is come on. because you ioii— so? this is come on. because you ioii oioui— so? this is come on. because you talk about when _ so? this is come on. because you talk about when they— 7 this is come on. because you talk about when they detect racism where _ talk about when they detect racism where it— talk about when they detect racism where it doesn't exist. inis— racism where it doesn't exist. inis soos— racism where it doesn't exist. this seems pretty— racism where it doesn't exist. this seems pretty racist to me. noon. — this seems pretty racist to me. yeah. .ridiculous- this seems pretty racist to me. yeah-ridiculous as- this seems pretty racist to me. yeah. ridiculous as well . yeah. and ridiculous as well. unioss— yeah. and ridiculous as well. unioss i— yeah. and ridiculous as well. unless i mean,— yeah. and ridiculous as well. unless i mean, the— yeah. and ridiculous as well. unless i mean, the computer systems could have been installed 1700s. they installed in the 1700s. they might been . yes. we've might have been. yes. so we've got amstrad . yeah. yeah but i got an amstrad. yeah. yeah but i don't understand this— got an amstrad. yeah. yeah but i don't understand this story. - don't understand this story. i oon-i— don't understand this story. i don't understand this story. i don't understand how they didn't , now— don't understand how they didn't , now ii— don't understand how they didn't , now ii os— don't understand how they didn't , how it was even— don't understand how they didn't , how it was even there to begin wiin. — , how it was even there to begin wiin. noon— , how it was even there to begin with. yeah and— , how it was even there to begin with. yeah and if— , how it was even there to begin with. yeah and if they didn't sooi— with. yeah and if they didn't sooi g,— with. yeah and if they didn't sooi g, i— with. yeah and if they didn't spot it, if somebody was working inono. — spot it, if somebody was working inono. wooi— spot it, if somebody was working there. yeah. right.— spot it, if somebody was working there. yeah. right. if- spot it, if somebody was working there. “43?" ?g“ �*7 "0; there. yeah. right. if you're working there you know. see you get weeks there and get two weeks temping there and you go to click category you go to click on the category of worker and those pop up, wouldn't you be like, excuse me , it just goes to show, , i think it just goes to show, you know, with all these activists sort of screaming racism where it's not there.

yeah. we have to remember, it ooos— yeah. we have to remember, it ooos siiii— yeah. we have to remember, it does still happen.— yeah. we have to remember, it does still happen. yeah. and the notion — does still happen. yeah. and the notion _wnon— does still happen. yeah. and the problem _when the - problem is that when the onions— problem is that when the activists .that, - problem is that when the activists .that, of activists do that, they sort of ooinooi— activists do that, they sort of ooinooi-ino — activists do that, they sort of detract the actual detract from the actual instances— detract from the actual instances of- detract from the actual instances of racism, which we oouio— instances of racism, which we could actually— instances of racism, which we could actually you could actually address. you know,— could actually address. you know,-problem.l know, that's the problem. anywoy, — know, that's the problem. anywoy, -io - know, that's the problem. i anyway,-to move know, that's the problem. anyway,-to move to anyway, i'm going to move on to onoinon—is- anyway, i'm going to move on to another—is from i another question. this is from iniiio. — another question. this is from iniiio. _nniiin.- another question. this is from philip-philip. hi- another question. this is from philip. philip. hi philip. hello, philip. hi ron nosoniis— philip. hello, philip. hi ron desantis-launch- philip. hello, philip. hi ron desantis launch anti—climax desantis camp launch anti—climax . well, ron desantis, of . well, us ron desantis, of well, us ron desantis, of course, has launched his oonooign— course, has launched his oonooign .— course, has launched his campaign . now he wants to be the campaign. now he wants to be the noouiiioon— campaign. now he wants to be the republican nominee . he wants to republican nominee. he wants to nooi— republican nominee. he wants to iooi nonoio— republican nominee. he wants to beat donald trump— republican nominee. he wants to beat donald trump in the preliminaries. _ beat donald trump in the preliminaries. and he wants preliminaries. and then he wants to preliminaries. and then he wants io-io— preliminaries. and then he wants io-io nooi— preliminaries. and then he wants to-to beat-biden- preliminaries. and then he wants to-to beat-biden in. to go on to beat joe biden in ino— to go on to beat joe biden in the election.— to go on to beat joe biden in the election-had- the election. but he had this ouoio—iossi audio chat with twitter boss iion— audio chat with twitter boss iion-nionii- audio chat with twitter boss elon didn't work, did it? elon musk. didn't work, did it? did you— elon musk. didn't work, did it? on you noon— elon musk. didn't work, did it? did you hear any— elon musk. didn't work, did it? did you hear any of it? \0 did you hear any of it? no, i uiunii. — did you hear any of it? no, i uiunii. i— did you hear any of it? no, i didn't. i don't— did you hear any of it? no, i didn't. i don't think many people did. so it crashed the servers, because servers, apparently because so many wanted to spin from many people wanted to spin from the desantis campaign. it wasn't that many people. that it wasn't that many people. it was like 700,000 people. so you'd think twitter could could handle maybe he handle that. and also, maybe he should with with should have done it with with jeff bill gates, jeff bezos or bill gates, because do scalable because they do scalable web hosting, can with hosting, which can deal with sudden but you're such sudden surges. but you're such a nerd. is it this i mean, this is a nerd. is it this i mean, this is o noo— nerd. is it this i mean, this is o noo onnon— nerd. is it this i mean, this is a bad omen, isn't— nerd. is it this i mean, this is a bad omen, isn't it,- “02 is it this i mean, this is a bad omen, isn't it, for ron nosoniisi— a bad omen, isn't it, for ron nosoniisi i— a bad omen, isn't it, for ron desantis? i mean, trump was

nowing— desantis? i mean, trump was nowing o— desantis? i mean, trump was having a field— desantis? i mean, trump was having a field day on truth sooioi— having a field day on truth social about— having a field day on truth social about this. yeah. mean social about this. yeah. i mean i social about this. yeah. i mean i—inuin— social about this. yeah. i mean i_truth social- social about this. yeah. i meani i_truth social who i think yeah. truth social who reads that? i mean truth social could through could never crash through overuse trump overuse like donald donald trump is person on it. is the only person on it. i don't know. i think ron desantis, i think he could come from behind and because from behind and win this because donald because donald donald not not because donald trump will be in or trump will be in jail or anything. i think donald trump could from behind could still win from behind bars, but but trump is bars, but it but donald trump is really the left really tacked to the left on a lot of issues. and this is where ron has been has been ron desantis has been has been targeting that. to me, because desantis him. imean, desantis attacked him. i mean, desantis attacked him. i mean, desantis has been— desantis attacked him. i mean, desantis has been-quiet. desantis has been really quiet whenever—has. desantis has been really quiet. whenever_ has been whenever donald trump has been oiiooiing— whenever donald trump has been oiiooiing nin— whenever donald trump has been attacking him over— whenever donald trump has been attacking him over past attacking him over the past few nonins—oil months, he's been he sort of noinioinoo— months, he's been he sort of maintained a— months, he's been he sort of maintained a noble silence. but for maintained a noble silence. but ion ino— maintained a noble silence. but ion ino insi— maintained a noble silence. but for the first time— maintained a noble silence. but for the first time this week, he iosnoo— for the first time this week, he iosnoo-ono— for the first time this week, he lashed and donald lashed back and said donald trump— lashed back and said donald inuno-nowoo— lashed back and said donald trump-moved to- lashed back and said donald trump moved to the left, trump has moved to the left, wnion— trump has moved to the left, wnion-youiwo- trump has moved to the left, which-you've just- trump has moved to the left, which you've just said. trump has moved to the left, whithas you've just said. trump has moved to the left, whithas he you've just said. trump has moved to the left, whithas he moved e just said. trump has moved to the left, whithas he moved to ust said. trump has moved to the left, whithas he moved to the said. trump has moved to the left, whithas he moved to the left? how has he moved to the left? i oon-i— how has he moved to the left? i oon-i inoi. — how has he moved to the left? i can't see that. so— how has he moved to the left? i can't see that. so donald trump nos— can't see that. so donald trump nos noon— can't see that. so donald trump has been fairly— can't see that. so donald trump has been fairly pro— can't see that. so donald trump has been fairly pro immigration oonoonoo— has been fairly pro immigration compared desantis and compared to ron desantis and suooon— compared to ron desantis and suooon o— compared to ron desantis and suooon o-inoi— compared to ron desantis and support a that allowed that support a bill that allowed that gowo— support a bill that allowed that gowo-ion— support a bill that allowed that gave _forl million- gave amnesty for 2 million to 2 niiiion— gave amnesty for 2 million to 2 million—didn't- gave amnesty for 2 million to 2. million—didn't finish million people. he didn't finish that wall, did he? i mean, they left gaps. if you've got left gaps. yeah. if you've got gaps a wall, it's not a wall. gaps in a wall, it's not a wall. that's just some bits of ornamental it's

ornamental walery. it's nonsense. so what do you think, non— nonsense. so what do you think, non-i— nonsense. so what do you think, non-i noon— nonsense. so what do you think, ron-i mean, i've,- nonsense. so what do you think, ron-i mean, i've, i've. ron desantis i mean, i've, i've noo— ron desantis i mean, i've, i've had-conversation- ron desantis i mean, i've, i've had conversation lot, but had this conversation a lot, but i had this conversation a lot, but ilinini— had this conversation a lot, but ilinini non— had this conversation a lot, but i think ron desantis, the i do think ron desantis, if the iioouiiioons— i do think ron desantis, if the republicans serious about republicans are serious about winning,— republicans are serious about winning-inor— republicans are serious about winning, their best winning, he's their best shot. in — winning, he's their best shot. in .inoi— winning, he's their best shot. iin-inoi nois— winning, he's their best shot. i'm .that he's splitting. winning, he's their best shot. i i'm .that he's splitting the i'm glad that he's splitting the vote because don't want him to vote because i don't want him to win because. want win because. cause you want trump win . i don't want trump to win. i don't want either of them to win . i mean, either of them to win. i mean, the thing why i don't like ron desantis is his stance on abortion and how he has made it so that now women cannot choose to have an abortion after six weeks and i am a woman . i have weeks and i am a woman. i have known many women and do you know what some of them that would have massive life changing consequences for them. and i just i understand land that he's fighting against but he's he's overcorrecting which is a word that we've used a lot this evening. yeah he is massively overcorrecting or fighting against the woke ideology taking out books to do with transgender and multiple genders in

children's libraries. i understand . and some of it, but understand. and some of it, but i worry about the liberties of women that he's also curtailed in that . yeah, but do you see in that. yeah, but do you see why— in that. yeah, but do you see wny soo— in that. yeah, but do you see wny ooooio— “ yeah, but do you see why some people are nervous oioui— why some people are nervous oioui roo— why some people are nervous about joe biden— why some people are nervous about joe biden having a second on— about joe biden having a second ionn wnon— about joe biden having a second ionn wnon you— about joe biden having a second term when you know he can barely spooni— term when you know he can barely snooii i— term when you know he can barely snooii i no— term when you know he can barely soooii i no .— term when you know he can barely speak? i no , in— term when you know he can barely speak? i no , i'm totally with speak? i no, i'm totally with no— speak? i no, i'm totally with no os— speak? i no, i'm totally with that as well— speak? i no, i'm totally with that as well . _ speak? i no, i'm totally with that as well . i— speak? i no, i'm totally with that as well . 2 that as well. i am surprised he's still moving about. it's great. yeah. i don't think he should be in charge either. they're a bit stuck. no, i mean, i've got they're a bit stuck. no, i mean, two goi io— they're a bit stuck. no, i mean, two goi io iono— they're a bit stuck. no, i mean, i've got to take some- “0g ”0 e 2 no, i mean, i've got to take some issue with inn.— i've got to take some issue with inoi. non— i've got to take some issue with that. ron desantis— i've got to take some issue with that. ron desantis hasn't made it that. ron desantis hasn't made ii nonoon.— that. ron desantis hasn't made ii nonoon. i— that. ron desantis hasn't made it harder. i mean,— that. ron desantis hasn't made it harder. i mean, he's made it a it harder. i mean, he's made it o iii— it harder. i mean, he's made it o iii nonoon— it harder. i mean, he's made it a bit harder for— it harder. i mean, he's made it a bit harder for women to get ononions— a bit harder for women to get abortions, but— a bit harder for women to get abortions, but it— a bit harder for women to get abortions, but it just means inoy— abortions, but it just means inoy nono— abortions, but it just means inoy nowo io— abortions, but it just means they have to get on a bus and go to they have to get on a bus and go io soo— they have to get on a bus and go to some liberal— they have to get on a bus and go to some liberal state where they they have to get on a bus and go to sonyou beral state where they they have to get on a bus and go to sonyou beikick ate where they they have to get on a bus and go to sonyou beikick yourihere they they have to get on a bus and go to sonyou beikick your babythey they have to get on a bus and go to sonyou beikick your baby into allow you to kick your baby into allow you to kick your baby into o nin— allow you to kick your baby into o iin. iiis— allow you to kick your baby into oiin. iiis noi— allow you to kick your baby into a bin. it's not it's— allow you to kick your baby into a bin. it's not it's not made it iiiogoi. — a bin. it's not it's not made it iiiogoi. ii-s— a bin. it's not it's not made it illegal. it's quite— a bin. it's not it's not made it illegal. e 2 p00 illegal. it's quite accurate. leo but i mean, it's not really fair, is it, that citizens should be treated differently fair, is it, that citizens shottolde treated differently fair, is it, that citizens shottold e tgo ted differently fair, is it, that citizens shottolde tgo to differently fair, is it, that citizens shottolde tgo to a ifferently fair, is it, that citizens shottolde tgo to a different and told to go to a different state? trouble with state? well, the trouble with roe was liberals pushed roe v wade was liberals pushed too i think it was. it was too far. i think it was. it was at too far. i think it was. it was oi you— too far. i think it was. it was oi you know,— too far. i think it was. it was oi you know i— too far. i think it was. it was at you know, i think- i think it was. it was at you know, i think i think inoy— at you know, i think i think inoy wono— at you know, i think i think they were they— at you know, i think i think they were they were trying to mono— they were they were trying to mono-is— they were they were trying to make-15 weeks. - they were they were trying to make 15 weeks. and make it like 15 weeks. and iiionois— make it like 15 weeks. and liberals were— make it like 15 weeks. and liberals were like, no, we've

got— liberals were like, no, we've goi io— liberals were like, no, we've goi io you— liberals were like, no, we've got to you know,— liberals were like, no, we've got to you know, you can have an ononion— got to you know, you can have an oionion oi— got to you know, you can have an oionion oi ony— got to you know, you can have an abortion at any, you— got to you know, you can have an abortion at any, you know, three yoons— abortion at any, you know, three yoons-inow— abortion at any, you know, three yoons-inow 22- abortion at any, you know, three years know, 22 years years old. you know, 22 years owi— years old. you know, 22 years org-no,— years old. you know, 22 years oioi-no no- years old. you know, 22 years oioi-no you- old. it's like no, no, you oon-.i — old. it's like no, no, you oon-.i nui— old. it's like no, no, you can't. but-aboutl old. it's like no, no, you- can't. but-about what old. it's like no, no, you— can't. but- about what about can't. but what about what about the issue that diane the library issue that diane mentioned? there have mentioned? because there have been when there been look, i get it. when there are that are sexually are books that are sexually explicit that shouldn't be in children's absolutely children's libraries. absolutely but of books aren't children's libraries. absolutely buthat of books aren't children's libraries. absolutely buthat category books aren't children's libraries. absolutely buthat category at books aren't children's libraries. absolutely buthat category at all. butzn't children's libraries. absolutely buthat category at all. but ii't in that category at all. but i mean, this the in that category at all. but i mean, this-the thing.- “ 22d but i mean, this the thing. when mean, this is the thing. when you— mean, this is the thing. when you nono— mean, this is the thing. when you nowo io— mean, this is the thing. when you have to bring— mean, this is the thing. when you have to bring through legislation— you have to bring throughi legislation—an legislation to deal with an issuo— legislation to deal with an issue-such- legislation to deal with an issue-such as. legislation to deal with an- issue-such as material issue such as? such as material in-iiiwonios- issue such as? such as material in-iiiwonios i- issue such as? such as material in-libraries, i mean,i in children's libraries, i mean, if in children's libraries, i mean, ii-iiionois— in children's libraries, i mean, if-liberals-pushedl if the liberals hadn't pushed the material— if the liberals hadn't pushed the material into libraries, we wouionii— wouldn't have needed that iogisioiion. — wouldn't have needed that legislation. _ wouldn't have needed that legislation. \ni0ni0” e legislation. never. let it be said, we hear sides said, we don't hear both sides of the argument on this show. but up on speech but coming up on free speech nation, will be explaining

you're listening to gb news nooio— you're listening to gb news iioiio .— you're listening to gb news iioiio . 0n— you're listening to gb news radio . on mark— you're listening to gb news radio . on mark dolan tonight, radio. on mark dolan tonight, i'll radio. on mark dolan tonight, iii no— radio. on mark dolan tonight, i'll be dealing— radio. on mark dolan tonight, i'll be dealing with sir keir sionnon— i'll be dealing with sir keir starmer, who— i'll be dealing with sir keir starmer, who wants to get rid of gas— starmer, who wants to get rid of gos iioonoos— starmer, who wants to get rid of gos iioonoos in— starmer, who wants to get rid of gas licences in the— starmer, who wants to get rid of gas licences in the north sea. iiwo— gas licences in the north sea. iiwo yoons— gas licences in the north sea. iiwo yoons oi— gas licences in the north sea. five years of labour— gas licences in the north sea. five years of labour would leave us poorer, colder and reliant on foreign imports. in my take, ten itv may have to axe this morning. they've only got themselves to blame, reacting to

themselves to blame, reacting to the schofield drama gb news star and former daytime tv presenter esther mcvey, my mark meets guest is top tory mp andrea jenkyns. plus politics legend ann widdecombe and the king of tv news john sergeant, we're live from . live from. nine welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. i disapprove of what you say, but i disapprove of what you say, but i wiii— disapprove of what you say, but i wiii io— disapprove of what you say, but i will to defend— disapprove of what you say, but i will to defend the death your nigni— i will to defend the death your nigni io— i will to defend the death your nigni io soy— i will to defend the death your nigni io soy ii.— i will to defend the death your right to say it. those words are oiion— right to say it. those words are often attributed— right to say it. those words are often attributed to _ right to say it. those words are often attributed to voltaire, wnion— often attributed to voltaire, wnion ion-i— often attributed to voltaire, which isn't quite right. they're ooiuoiiy— which isn't quite right. they're ooiuoiiy ino — which isn't quite right. they're actually the words of the nisionion— actually the words of the historian evelyn beatrice hall, wno— historian evelyn beatrice hall, wno os— historian evelyn beatrice hall, who was attempting to summarise voiioinois— who was attempting to summarise voltaire's-matter,- voltaire's views. no matter, is— voltaire's views. no matter, is siiii— voltaire's views. no matter, it's still elegantly phrased it's still an elegantly phrased ioooi— it's still an elegantly phrased ioooi .— it's still an elegantly phrased ioooi , ono— it's still an elegantly phrased ideal , one that— it's still an elegantly phrased ideal , one that encapsulates ideal, one that encapsulates wnoi— ideal, one that encapsulates wnoi ii— ideal, one that encapsulates what it means— ideal, one that encapsulates what it means to— ideal, one that encapsulates what it means to live in a free sony— what it means to live in a free sooioiy. so— what it means to live in a free sooioiy. so wny— what it means to live in a free society. so why is— what it means to live in a free society. so why is it that the iwo— society. so why is it that the iwo oioosi— society. so why is it that the two oldest and— society. so why is it that the two oldest and most prestigious uniwonsiiy— two oldest and most prestigious uniwonsiiy in— two oldest and most prestigious university in the— two oldest and most prestigious university in the uk are onoouoing— university in the uk are producing students who so fundamentally— producing students who so fundamentally oppose this principle?— fundamentally oppose this principle? isn't the whole point

of principle? isn't the whole point oi uniwonsiiy— principle? isn't the whole point of university to _ principle? isn't the whole point of university to open your mind 7 ins— of university to open your mind i no iuosooy— of university to open your mind ? this tuesday, kathleen stock is scheduled— ? this tuesday, kathleen stock is scheduled to— ? this tuesday, kathleen stock is scheduled to speak at the onion— is scheduled to speak at the oxford union.— is scheduled to speak at the oxford union. professor stock is the philosopher— oxford union. professor stock is the philosopher who wrote the iniiiioni— the philosopher who wrote the brilliant book— the philosopher who wrote the brilliant book material girls, wnion— brilliant book material girls, wnion guo— brilliant book material girls, which argues that the recognition- which argues that the recognition of biological sex is key recognition of biological sex is ioy io— recognition of biological sex is ioy io ino— recognition of biological sex is key to the preservation of women's rights, which up until ooonoxinoioiy— women's rights, which up until approximately ago was approximately ten years ago was approximately ten years ago was a unconscious herschel a wholly unconscious herschel oonooni. — a wholly unconscious herschel concept. _enough- a wholly unconscious herschel concept. enough to have concept. now it's enough to have you snnnoooo— concept. now it's enough to have you snnnoooo os— concept. now it's enough to have you smeared as an— you smeared as an unreconstructed bigot and a iowioinon— unreconstructed bigot and a leviathan from _ unreconstructed bigot and a leviathan from the deep. but soon— leviathan from the deep. but siooi ion-i— leviathan from the deep. but stock isn't being— leviathan from the deep. but stock isn't being monstered for her stock isn't being monstered for non wows— stock isn't being monstered for her views. not— stock isn't being monstered for her views. not really . she's her views. not really. she's ioing— her views. not really. she's being attacked— her views. not really. she's being attacked because she has the being attacked because she has no ounoog— being attacked because she has no ounoog io— being attacked because she has the courage to say— being attacked because she has the courage to say them out loud . because let's— the courage to say them out loud . because let's be— the courage to say them out loud . because let's be honest, winuoiiy— . because let's be honest, virtually everyone agrees with non. — virtually everyone agrees with non. ioii— virtually everyone agrees with her. .all know— virtually everyone agrees with her. all know that no human her. we all know that no human ioing— her. we all know that no human ioing nos— her. we all know that no human ioing nos oon— her. we all know that no human being has ever changed sex. we all being has ever changed sex. we oii-inoi— being has ever changed sex. we all-that opportune- being has ever changed sex. we all that opportune lists all know that opportune lists nono— all know that opportune lists have exploited— all know that opportune lists have exploited new policies of gonoon— have exploited new policies of gender self—identification. wonio— gender self—identification. wonro inoi— gender self—identification. nortje that in— gender self—identification. nortje that in the realm of women's sports- nortje that in the realm of women's sports and women's nnisons— women's sports and women's onisons wo— women's sports and women's onisons, wo oii— women's sports and women's prisons, we all know that there are prisons, we all know that there ono—wny- prisons, we all know that there ono—wny sooioiyl are good reasons why society ionos— are good reasons why society takes-account- are good reasons why society takes account biological takes into account biological so—ono- takes into account biological so—ono wny- takes into account biological sex—and why it'si sex differences and why it's nonossigwo— sex differences and why it's regressive to _ sex differences and why it's regressive to ignore this nooiiiy. — regressive to ignore this reality. and— regressive to ignore this reality. and yet stock is being inooioo— reality. and yet stock is being inooioo os— reality. and yet stock is being treated as though she was spooning— treated as though she was spooning ino— treated as though she was speaking the most outrageous and inoxniiooiio— speaking the most outrageous and inexplicable heresies. and this is sonoining—

inexplicable heresies. and this is something we've all seen a gnooi— is something we've all seen a gnooi oooi— is something we've all seen a gnooi oooi oi— is something we've all seen a great deal of in— is something we've all seen a great deal of in recent years. angny— great deal of in recent years. angny ooiiwisis— great deal of in recent years. angry activists working themselves— angry activists working themselves up into a frenzy over wnoi— themselves up into a frenzy over wnoi inoy— themselves up into a frenzy over what they imagine— themselves up into a frenzy over what they imagine certain people ioiiowo— what they imagine certain people ioiiowo nyiw— what they imagine certain people ioiiowo nyiw in— what they imagine certain people believe kyiv in this case, they inini— believe kyiv in this case, they inini inoi— believe kyiv in this case, they think that asserting biological ioois— think that asserting biological ioois is— think that asserting biological facts is akin— think that asserting biological facts is akin to— think that asserting biological facts is akin to hate speech . facts is akin to hate speech. ioi-s— facts is akin to hate speech. ioi-s iono— facts is akin to hate speech. let's take the _ facts is akin to hate speech. let's take the open letter that signoo— let's take the open letter that signoo ny— let's take the open letter that was signed by many oxford oooonnioos— was signed by many oxford academics, which argues that the oniono — academics, which argues that the oniono union— academics, which argues that the oxford union should disinvite . oxford union should disinvite. nigni.— oxford union should disinvite. right. kathleen— oxford union should disinvite. right. kathleen stock. here's wnoi— right. kathleen stock. here's wnoi inoy— right. kathleen stock. here's what they had— right. kathleen stock. here's what they had to say. we believe inoi— what they had to say. we believe inoi nons— what they had to say. we believe that trans students— what they had to say. we believe that trans students should not be that trans students should not no nooo— that trans students should not no nooo io— that trans students should not be made to debate their owsionoo— be made to debate their existence is— be made to debate their existence is right, just as woii— existence is right, just as well. nobody— existence is right, just as well. nobody is suggesting that inoy— well. nobody is suggesting that inoy snouio— well. nobody is suggesting that they should debate their existence. _ they should debate their existence. this is a fantasy and it's existence. this is a fantasy and is o— existence. this is a fantasy and is o ioniosy— existence. this is a fantasy and it's a fantasy that's been oxonossoo— it's a fantasy that's been expressed here, not by raging iunoiios— expressed here, not by raging lunatics online— expressed here, not by raging lunatics online ,_ expressed here, not by raging lunatics online , but by oxford lunatics online, but by oxford oooonnioos— lunatics online, but by oxford oooonnioos .— lunatics online, but by oxford academics . you— lunatics online, but by oxford academics . you would think academics. you would think oooonnioos— academics. you would think academics of— academics. you would think academics of all— academics. you would think academics of all people would unionsiono— academics of all people would understand the— academics of all people would understand the concept of having to understand the concept of having io suppon— understand the concept of having io suooon onoin— understand the concept of having to support their assertions with owioonoo— to support their assertions with owioonoo .— to support their assertions with evidence . but— to support their assertions with evidence . but ideology doesn't evidence. but ideology doesn't wonk— evidence. but ideology doesn't woni-inoi— evidence. but ideology doesn't woni-inoi .— evidence. but ideology doesn't work-that , and- evidence. but ideology doesn't work that , and even the work like that, and even the nosi— work like that, and even the most intelligent— work like that, and even the most intelligent of us can be ooniunoo— most intelligent of us can be oooiunoolii.— most intelligent of us can be captured-it. the- most intelligent of us can be captured it. the fact that so captured by it. the fact that so nony— captured by it. the fact that so many academics— captured by it. the fact that so many academics at a top uniwonsiiy— many academics at a top university surrendered university have surrendered inoin— university have surrendered inoin-inini- their ability to think critically— their ability to think critically might explain so critically might explain why so nony— critically might explain why so many students— critically might explain why so many students are following suin— many students are following suii. so— many students are following suit. so here's— many students are following suit. so here's an excerpt from

a suit. so here's an excerpt from o sioiononi— suit. so here's an excerpt from a statement by— suit. so here's an excerpt from a statement by the oxford lgbt q pius— a statement by the oxford lgbt q nius sooioiy. — a statement by the oxford lgbt q plus society. they— a statement by the oxford lgbt q plus society. they say the oiiono— plus society. they say the oxford university lgbtq+ society is oisnoyoo— oxford university lgbtq+ society is dismayed and— oxford university lgbtq+ society is dismayed and appalled that the is dismayed and appalled that no oiiono— is dismayed and appalled that the oxford union— is dismayed and appalled that the oxford union decided to oioiionn — the oxford union decided to oioiionn ino— the oxford union decided to platform the transphobic and ions— platform the transphobic and trans exclusionary speaker. noinioon— trans exclusionary speaker. kathleen stock. stock has been oonooigning— kathleen stock. stock has been campaigning against trans rights , ioioiiing— campaigning against trans rights , labelling them— campaigning against trans rights , labelling them as dangerous to women, called— , labelling them as dangerous to women, called for— , labelling them as dangerous to women, called for the exclusion of women, called for the exclusion oi nons— women, called for the exclusion oi inons ooogio— women, called for the exclusion of trans people from the lgbtq+ movement supporting conversion inonony— movement supporting conversion inonooy ono— movement supporting conversion therapy and supporting hate gnouns— therapy and supporting hate gnouos suon— therapy and supporting hate groups such as— therapy and supporting hate groups such as the lgb alliance ono— groups such as the lgb alliance on iosiion— groups such as the lgb alliance and lesbian project . it. except and lesbian project. it. except oi— and lesbian project. it. except oi inis— and lesbian project. it. except none of this is— and lesbian project. it. except none of this is true. it's not even close to— none of this is true. it's not even close to being true. they nigni— even close to being true. they nigni os— even close to being true. they nigni os woii— even close to being true. they might as well say— even close to being true. they might as well say that kathleen siooi— might as well say that kathleen siooi oninis— might as well say that kathleen stock drinks the _ might as well say that kathleen stock drinks the blood of nowion— stock drinks the blood of newborn babies and sleeps on a noo— newborn babies and sleeps on a noo oi— newborn babies and sleeps on a noo oi ioogon— newborn babies and sleeps on a bed of badger skulls as lgb aiiionoo— bed of badger skulls as lgb alliance and— bed of badger skulls as lgb alliance and the lesbian project are alliance and the lesbian project noi— alliance and the lesbian project noi noio— alliance and the lesbian project are not hate groups and stock is not transphobic. _ are not hate groups and stock is not transphobic. she's not trans oxoiusionony— not transphobic. she's not trans oxoiusionony .— not transphobic. she's not trans exclusionary . she— not transphobic. she's not trans exclusionary . she she has not exclusionary. she she has not oonooignoo— exclusionary. she she has not campaigned against trans rights. in campaigned against trans rights. in ion,— campaigned against trans rights. in rag, sno— campaigned against trans rights. in fact, she has— campaigned against trans rights. in fact, she has asserted openly ono— in fact, she has asserted openly ono nogooiooiy— in fact, she has asserted openly and repeatedly that trans people oosonwo— and repeatedly that trans people oosowo oguoi— and repeatedly that trans people deserve equal rights and full onoiooiions— deserve equal rights and full protections under the law. she nos— protections under the law. she nos noi— protections under the law. she nos noi soio— protections under the law. she has not said that— protections under the law. she has not said that trans rights are dangerous— has not said that trans rights are dangerous to— has not said that trans rights are dangerous to women. she has

soio— are dangerous to women. she has soio inoi— are dangerous to women. she has said that gender— said that gender self—identification can be oxgioiioo— self—identification can be exploited ny— self—identification can be exploited by individuals who won— exploited by individuals who wisn io— exploited by individuals who wisn io nui— exploited by individuals who wish to put women in danger , wish to put women in danger, suon— wish to put women in danger, suon os— wish to put women in danger, suon os ino— wish to put women in danger, such as the double rapist adam onnon,— such as the double rapist adam gangm, wno— such as the double rapist adam graham, who changed his name to isla graham, who changed his name to isio nnyson— graham, who changed his name to isio nnyson ono— graham, who changed his name to isla bryson and was— graham, who changed his name to isla bryson and was housed in an all isla bryson and was housed in an oii ionoio— isla bryson and was housed in an all female prison— isla bryson and was housed in an all female prison in— isla bryson and was housed in an all female prison in scotland , all female prison in scotland, soying— all female prison in scotland, soying onoi— all female prison in scotland, saying that men— all female prison in scotland, saying that men shouldn't be in women's prisons— saying that men shouldn't be in women's prisons has nothing to do women's prisons has nothing to oo-inons— women's prisons has nothing to do-trans rights.— women's prisons has nothing to do trans rights. about do with trans rights. it's about soioguonoing— do with trans rights. it's about safeguarding vulnerable women. now:— safeguarding vulnerable women. wow, you— safeguarding vulnerable women. wow, you wouio— safeguarding vulnerable women. now, you would think that a siuooni— now, you would think that a student-posting- now, you would think that a student posting such student society posting such oiwiousiy— student society posting such obviously defamatory statements wouio— obviously defamatory statements wouio-in— obviously defamatory statements wouio-in soo— obviously defamatory statements would in some kind of would result in some kind of oiiioioi— would result in some kind of official sanction— would result in some kind of official sanction from the uniwonsiiy— official sanction from the university. but- official sanction from the university. but of course, we iwo— university. but of course, we iiwoliizonno— university. but of course, we live . bizarre _when l university. but of course, we live bizarre when libel live in bizarre times when libel ooosn-i— live in bizarre times when libel ooosnii soon— live in bizarre times when libel doesn't seem to— live in bizarre times when libel doesn't seem to matter anymore . doesn't seem to matter anymore. aoiiwisis— doesn't seem to matter anymore. aoiiwisis oon— doesn't seem to matter anymore. activists can just— doesn't seem to matter anymore. activists can just say what they no — activists can just say what they no inoy— activists can just say what they no inoy oon— activists can just say what they like. they can lie— activists can just say what they like. they can lie and smear and buy— like. they can lie and smear and iuiiy inoin— like. they can lie and smear and bully their-with- bully their targets with inouniiy— bully their targets with inouniiy .— bully their targets with impunity . an article by hadley impunity. an article by hadley innnooon— impunity. an article by hadley innnooon in— impunity. an article by hadley freeman in today's times quotes coniniogo— freeman in today's times quotes one cambridge student in the upcoming— one cambridge student in the upcoming documentary gender wars , wno— upcoming documentary gender wars ,wno oooosos— upcoming documentary gender wars , who opposes kathleen stock's ooooononoo— , who opposes kathleen stock's oogoononoo on— , who opposes kathleen stock's appearance on campus this is wnoi— appearance on campus this is wnoi ino— appearance on campus this is what the student— appearance on campus this is what the student says being in the what the student says being in no soo— what the student says being in the same room— what the student says being in the same room as— what the student says being in the same room as dr. stock and nooning— the same room as dr. stock and nooning non— the same room as dr. stock and nooning non soy— the same room as dr. stock and hearing her say the— the same room as dr. stock and hearing her say the things she soys— hearing her say the things she soys. wnon— hearing her say the things she soys. wnon i— hearing her say the things she says. when i know the meaning sno— says. when i know the meaning sno nos— says. when i know the meaning she has behind— says. when i know the meaning she has behind them just feels oggnossiwo—

she has behind them just feels aggressive against me. and inoiis— aggressive against me. and inoiis ino— aggressive against me. and that's the problem in a nuisioii— that's the problem in a nutshell. it's- that's the problem in a nutshell. it's not what stock nos— nutshell. it's not what stock nos soio— nutshell. it's not what stock has said, it's— nutshell. it's not what stock has said, it's the— nutshell. it's not what stock has said, it's the meaning ionino— has said, it's the meaning behind and— has said, it's the meaning behind and the words that the onions— behind and the words that the activists who _ behind and the words that the activists who also apparently ionoio— activists who also apparently ooiiio in— activists who also apparently dabble in amateur telepathy are uniguoiy— dabble in amateur telepathy are uniquely qualified to detect . uniquely qualified to detect. ano— uniquely qualified to detect. ano wo— uniquely qualified to detect. ano wo noon— uniquely qualified to detect. and we hear this again and ogoin— and we hear this again and gggn, oon-i— and we hear this again and again, don't we,— and we hear this again and again, don't we, j.k. rowling, wno— again, don't we, j.k. rowling, wno nos— again, don't we, j.k. rowling, who has never— again, don't we, j.k. rowling, who has never said anything inonsgnoiio— who has never said anything transphobic, and yet somehow oi— transphobic, and yet somehow armies of activists and media oonnnnonoonsii— armies of activists and media commentators simply know that she commentators simply know that sno soonoiiy— commentators simply know that she secretly hates— commentators simply know that she secretly hates trans people. t hey— she secretly hates trans people. inoy iusi— she secretly hates trans people. inoy us know— she secretly hates trans people. they just know it— she secretly hates trans people. they just know it to hell with iogio— they just know it to hell with reason, logic or— they just know it to hell with reason, logic or evidence . reason, logic or evidence. inoy-wo— reason, logic or evidence. inoy-wo goi— reason, logic or evidence. inoy-wo goi o— reason, logic or evidence. they've got a hunch and that's all they've got a hunch and that's oii inoi— they've got a hunch and that's all that matters— they've got a hunch and that's all that matters is. so here's a suggosiion— all that matters is. so here's a suggosiion ion— all that matters is. so here's a suggestion for those who are inying— suggestion for those who are inying io— suggestion for those who are inying io goi— suggestion for those who are trying to get professor stock nonnou— trying to get professor stock bannau from _ trying to get professor stock bannau from speaking at the oiiono— bannau from speaking at the oxford union— bannau from speaking at the oxford union rather than guossing— oxford union rather than guossing non— oxford union rather than guessing her private motives noinon— guessing her private motives noinon inon— guessing her private motives rather than internal editing her ios— rather than internal editing her in— rather than internal editing her in ino— rather than internal editing her views in the least— rather than internal editing her views in the least charitable way,— views in the least charitable woy, noinon— views in the least charitable way, rather than _ views in the least charitable way, rather than threatening to oisnuni— way, rather than threatening to oisnuni ino— way, rather than threatening to disrupt the event— way, rather than threatening to disrupt the event and stigmatising anyone who attends, why stigmatising anyone who attends, wny noi— stigmatising anyone who attends, wny noi go— stigmatising anyone who attends, wny noi go oiong— stigmatising anyone who attends, why not go along and hear her oun— why not go along and hear her ouii wouno— why not go along and hear her out? you're allowed to disagree noiusiiy— out? you're allowed to disagree even robustly. that's the whole noini— even robustly. that's the whole noini oi— even robustly. that's the whole ooini oi ino— even robustly. that's the whole point of the oxford union. you nigni— point of the oxford union. you nigni onon— point of the oxford union. you might even learn— point of the oxford union. you might even learn something. you nigni— might even learn something. you

nigni nooiiso— might even learn something. you might realise that— might even learn something. you might realise that your fears oioui— might realise that your fears oioui o— might realise that your fears about a genocidal maniac who wonis— about a genocidal maniac who wonis io— about a genocidal maniac who wants to eliminate trans people inon— wants to eliminate trans people inon nuiiio— wants to eliminate trans people from public life— wants to eliminate trans people from public life are all the own— from public life are all the siuii oi— from public life are all the stuff of fiction.— from public life are all the stuff of fiction. or you could iusi— stuff of fiction. or you could rusi sioy— stuff of fiction. or you could just stay outside,— stuff of fiction. or you could just stay outside, bang your onuns— just stay outside, bang your onuns .— just stay outside, bang your drums , scream— just stay outside, bang your drums , scream mindless slogans, drums, scream mindless slogans, and drums, scream mindless slogans, ono noiuso— drums, scream mindless slogans, ono noiuso io— drums, scream mindless slogans, and refuse to open— drums, scream mindless slogans, and refuse to open your mind to the and refuse to open your mind to no oossiioiiiiy— and refuse to open your mind to the possibility that you could be the possibility that you could io wong— the possibility that you could no wong nui— the possibility that you could be wrong. but to— the possibility that you could be wrong. but to do so is to surrender to _ be wrong. but to do so is to surrender to a— be wrong. but to do so is to surrender to a life of infantilism - surrender to a life of infantilism .- surrender to a life of infantilism . and like all infantilism. and like all ioooions— infantilism. and like all toddlers who- infantilism. and like all toddlers who resort to tantrums, you-ii— toddlers who resort to tantrums, you-ii soon— toddlers who resort to tantrums, you'll soon realise— toddlers who resort to tantrums, you'll soon realise that you won-i— you'll soon realise that you wont oiwoys— you'll soon realise that you won't always get your own way. at won't always get your own way. ai soo— won't always get your own way. ai noini— won't always get your own way. at some point you've got to grow up at some point you've got to grow up -_ at some point you've got to grow up . niono— at some point you've got to grow up . oiono wnoi— at some point you've got to grow up . diana what do— at some point you've got to grow up . diana what do you make of up. diana what do you make of inoso— up. diana what do you make of these protests— up. diana what do you make of these protests against kathleen siooio— these protests against kathleen siooio nono— these protests against kathleen stock? have you— these protests against kathleen stock? have you any thoughts oioui— stock? have you any thoughts oioui inoni— stock? have you any thoughts about them? _ stock? have you any thoughts about them? i— stock? have you any thoughts about them? i have a lot of thoughts about them, especially after what you just said . it is after what you just said. it is absolutely shocking that like you said, they won't hear her out and they're reducing it to just statements and just blank statements. and it's interesting because, you know, we were talking earlier about the teacher who misgendered a pupil . yes. and i said, oh , well, you

. yes. and i said, oh, well, you know, when he talks , he could know, when he talks, he could have a certain tone that implies is how he's feeling. the reason why we said that is because we had a blog that showed very clearly what he was saying. right. and you and your speech, you where you highlighted that quote where the said, i know the students said, i know the meaning behind words . yes, meaning behind the words. yes, but she's never said those wings.— but she's never said those inings. — but she's never said those things. exactly. - but she's never said those things. yoopntcly but she's never said those things. nee“; but she's never said those things. 0 things. exactly. she has never said the things that she is being of, whereas being accused of, whereas this teacher talking teacher that we were talking about written the about earlier has written in the blog, things, these blog, these things, these horrible homophobic things. but kathleen, is not like kathleen, stock is not like that. she's written a book. you can read views. i don't can read her views. i don't think they have read the book. and that is such a shame because inoy— and that is such a shame because inoy snouio. — and that is such a shame because they should. and— and that is such a shame because they should. and i'm— and that is such a shame because they should. ' “2 ”0 they should. and i'm sure that there students that show off there are students that show off about reading all sorts of horrible books like mein kampf and like that, because and things like that, because they it just so they go, yeah, i read it just so i could like, debunk well, i could like, debunk it. well, why don't you do that? why don't you you're not you read a book you're not interested so you can debunk interested in? so you can debunk it? why don't they do that? leah nooouso— it? why don't they do that? leah because we've seen— 07 why don't they do that? leah because we've seen some inionwiows— because we've seen some interviews protesters on interviews with protesters on the interviews with protesters on i ino—noinioon the street angry about kathleen siooi—inonl the street angry about kathleen. stock—them, what stock and people ask them, what

has stock and people ask them, what nos-soio— stock and people ask them, what nos-soio inoi— stock and people ask them, what has said that upsets you so has she said that upsets you so muon— has she said that upsets you so nuon ono— has she said that upsets you so nuon ono inoy— has she said that upsets you so much and they have much and they never have an inoy— much and they never have an answer. they just— much and they never have an answer. they just say, oh, but much and they never have an ans\hatesiey just say, oh, but much and they never have an ans\hates transst say, oh, but much and they never have an ans\hates trans people. . but much and they never have an ans\hates trans people. 4 she hates trans people. yeah, sonno-in— she hates trans people. yeah, same jk rowling. you same as with jk rowling. you know, people on twitter who say, oh, transphobic, she's oh, she's so transphobic, she's so like, what did she so evil. it's like, what did she specifically they're specifically say? they're like, well, what she said. well, it's not what she said. it's so why are living it's yeah. so why are we living in this age of fantasists? i don't understand it. yeah. and ospooioiiy— don't understand it. yeah. and especially university, which especially at university, which is be divine, you is supposed to be divine, you know, objective facts and truth. it's disgusting. imagine if galileo were trying to prove that the sort of helios centric view of the universe was was wrong. all the cardinals had wrong. if all the cardinals had just gone down to his laboratory or whatever, and just banged drums and screamed and spat at him. well, i mean, they did put nin— him. well, i mean, they did put nin union— him. well, i mean, they did put him under house— “ well, i mean, they did put him under house arrest, so they nony— him under house arrest, so they came pretty close. _ him under house arrest, so they came pretty close. j0“ e g came pretty close. don't give them ideas, it not down to them ideas, is it not down to this overriding of emotion over logic ? and it's also down to logic? and it's also down to son— logic? and it's also down to self protection. _ 03 07 and it's also down to self protection. these people oon-i— self protection. these people oon-i woni— self protection. these people don't want to _ self protection. these people don't want to engage with the inuin. — don't want to engage with the inuin. inoy-o— don't want to engage with the truth. they'd rather deflect and oion— truth. they'd rather deflect and sion innowing— truth. they'd rather deflect and start throwing insults out there insiooo— start throwing insults out there insiooo oi— start throwing insults out there instead of actually sort of have a instead of actually sort of have o iooi— instead of actually sort of have o iooi oi— instead of actually sort of have o iooi oi ino— instead of actually sort of have a look at the evidence. because

if a look at the evidence. because ii ii— a look at the evidence. because ii ii oono— a look at the evidence. because if it dare crack— a look at the evidence. because if it dare crack their worldview , inon— if it dare crack their worldview , inon inoi— if it dare crack their worldview , then that would— if it dare crack their worldview , then that would make them oossiiiy— , then that would make them possibly question themselves. possibly question them selves. it's possibly question themselves. iiis nony— possibly question themselves. iiis wony .— possibly question themselves. ii-swonywony— possibly question themselves. it's very , very sad. it's very, very sad. that's all it's very, very sad. that's all i on— it's very, very sad. that's all i can say about that. well look, still to come on free speech nation, helen joyce be here nation, helen joyce will be here to a campaign of to discuss a campaign of bullying intimidation bullying and intimidation launched against the government's equalities boss, baroness that's .

completely derailed the conversation. “ completely derailed the- conversation. join me monday to thursday at 8 pm. on gb news britain . thursday at 8 pm. on gb news britain. welcome thursday at 8 pm. on gb news britain . welcome back to free britain. welcome back to free snooon— britain. welcome back to free soooon woiion— britain. welcome back to free speech nation with- “ welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew noyio— speech nation with me andrew i>oyio wonnonis— speech nation with me andrew doyle women's rights groups have oononooo— doyle women's rights groups have oononooo on— doyle women's rights groups have demanded an end— doyle women's rights groups have demanded an end to the witch nuni— demanded an end to the witch nuni ogoinsi— demanded an end to the witch hunt against the— demanded an end to the witch hunt against the head of onions— hunt against the head of britain's equality watchdog by nons— britain's equality watchdog by trans activists— britain's equality watchdog by trans activists .— britain's equality watchdog by trans activists . campaigners trans activists. campaigners oioin— trans activists. campaigners claim baroness— trans activists. campaigners claim baroness kishwer falkner has claim baroness kishwer falkner nos noon— claim baroness kishwer falkner has been persecuted by around 40 nnonnons— has been persecuted by around 40 nnonnonis oi— has been persecuted by around 40 members of staff— has been persecuted by around 40 members of staff within the iguoiiiy— members of staff within the iguoiiiy ono— members of staff within the equality and human rights commission— equality and human rights commission for backing reforms inoi— commission for backing reforms inoi wouio— commission for backing reforms that would safeguard female only sonoos— that would safeguard female only snooos-os— that would safeguard female only spaces-as toilets— that would safeguard female only spaces as toilets and spaces such as toilets and nosniioi— spaces such as toilets and hospital wards. _ spaces such as toilets and hospital wards. allegations of buying— hospital wards. allegations of bullying, harassment and transphobia— bullying, harassment and transphobia are currently being inwosiigoioo. — transphobia are currently being investigated. so— transphobia are currently being investigated. so to discuss this iunnon— investigated. so to discuss this iunnon, in— investigated. soto discuss this further, i'm joined by the oinooion— further, i'm joined by the

director of— further, i'm joined by the director of advocacy for oongoign— director of advocacy for campaign sex director of advocacy for- campaign _sex matters, campaign group sex matters, noion— campaign group sex matters, noion ioyoo— campaign group sex matters, helen joyce. helen welcome to the helen joyce. helen welcome to no snow— helen joyce. helen welcome to no snow .— helen joyce. helen welcome to the show . tell— helen joyce. helen welcome to the show . tell us— helen joyce. helen welcome to the show . tell us what happened the show. tell us what happened in ino— the show. tell us what happened in no ooso— the show. tell us what happened in no oi— the show. tell us what happened in the case of baroness falkner. it in the case of baroness falkner. ii iooioo— in the case of baroness falkner. it looked like,— in the case of baroness falkner. it looked like, well, it's been oosoniioo— it looked like, well, it's been described as— it looked like, well, it's been described as a— it looked like, well, it's been described as a witch hunt and it oonoiniy— described as a witch hunt and it certainly looks— described as a witch hunt and it certainly looks that way to me. so certainly looks that way to me. so nisnwon— certainly looks that way to me. so kishwer falkner has been inying— so kishwer falkner has been inying io— so kishwer falkner has been inying io oo— so kishwer falkner has been trying to do her— so kishwer falkner has been trying to do her job properly. trying to do herjob properly. inoiis— trying to do herjob properly. inoi-s non— trying to do herjob properly. that's her crime. _ trying to do herjob properly. that's her crime. she- trying to do herjob properly. that's her crime. she oversees the equality and human rights commission, the job of which is to uphold anti—discrimination and equality law across the uk . and equality law across the uk. and there are nine protected characteristics that are the planks of this law . and they are planks of this law. and they are things like age, sex, race, religion or belief. things like age, sex, race, religion or belief . and whether religion or belief. and whether you have whether you're trans, which is gender reassignment and there's this what sounds like a technical question in which is whether or not sex really means male or female or whether it means male or female as modified by having a gender recognition certificate. and sorting this out is something that sex matters. and other campaign groups have asked for. the has been against sorting it out. it's been on the side of muddle andifs

it's been on the side of muddle and it's become institutionally attached to that muddle . but attached to that muddle. but kishwer falkner was kind of a new broom when she came in a few years ago and she listened to our arguments and she said that they had merit and wrote to kemi badenoch, oversees the women badenoch, who oversees the women and equalities portfolio and government said should government, and said we should look this, that was her look at this, that was her crime. that was when they started trying to after her. started trying to get after her. so in all these so they put in all these complaints. and from we've complaints. and from what we've seen , these seen in the paper, these complaints like that. seen in the paper, these com rolled. like that. seen in the paper, these com rolled her like that. seen in the paper, these com rolled her eyes like that. seen in the paper, these com rolled her eyes that :e that. seen in the paper, these com rolled her eyes that she at. seen in the paper, these com rolled her eyes that she was she rolled her eyes that she was a bit brusque in a meeting. she's a really lovely person who has been in many, many senior jobs ever jobs and nobody has ever complained about bullying or anything it really anything like that. so it really sounds up to me. and they sounds cooked up to me. and they were to suspend were trying to get her suspend dunng were trying to get her suspend during investigation, which during this investigation, which would meant that she would would have meant that she would be off case be taken off the case of considering law considering whether this law would be fixed so that it was clear, not muddled. so they failed in that. i think that failed in that. and i think that it's been a big it's actually been a big disaster for them. think it's disaster for them. i think it's blown up in their faces because it's shown what bullies they are. so helen, it seems that some allegations well some of the allegations as well have very spurious. have been very, very spurious. i there was one suggestion

i mean, there was one suggestion inoi— i mean, there was one suggestion inoi snoo— i mean, there was one suggestion inoi onoo-o— i mean, there was one suggestion that she'd-a trans- that she'd insulted a trans individual— that she'd insulted a trans individual describing them individual by describing them as a individual by describing them as o-wiin— individual by describing them as a-with lipstick— individual by describing them as a-with lipstick ,- individual by describing them as a with lipstick , but a bloke with lipstick, but ooiuoiiy— a bloke with lipstick, but actually actually actually she was actually guoiing— actually she was actually quoting someone online who had soio— quoting someone online who had soio, gino— quoting someone online who had soio, giwo on— quoting someone online who had said, give an example of the ini— said, give an example of the kind oi— said, give an example of the kind of abuse— said, give an example of the kind of abuse that trans people . nui— kind of abuse that trans people receive . but then— kind of abuse that trans people receive . but then that was receive. but then that was nononoo— receive. but then that was reported uncritically on channel 4. reported uncritically on channel on. is— reported uncritically on channel on. is inoi— reported uncritically on channel 4. is that correct— reported uncritically on channel 4. is that correct ? i40pi“ 4. is that correct? yeah. so, i mean, all of this should should not have been leaked. she you know, this was leaked by people within the hrc to channel 4 and basically has made the investigation impossible. so a case was called in and kishwer falkner wasn't given any support in getting her own legal represented . she's been paying represented. she's been paying for her own legal representative. and of this representative. and all of this the stuff was leaked. it does sound spurious from what's come out, should have out, but nothing should have come out. this should all have stayed behind closed doors. and now whole now they've suspended the whole investigation action. but honestly, best honestly, if this is the best that they can give when they're cooking up allegations against a woman, this does not sound good. i of people did i mean, loads of people did leave the hrc because of kishwer saying that, you know, trans doesn't trump all other

characteristics and that women have rights too. but you know, good riddance to bad rubbish is the i'd put it. if you're the way i'd put it. if you're not willing stand up for not willing to stand up for everybody's rights, what job do you at hrc? but there's you have at the hrc? but there's a you have at the hrc? but there's o-nnoiion— you have at the hrc? but there's o-nnoiion nono- you have at the hrc? but there's a-problem here, isn't- a broader problem here, isn't inonoi—inoi there? because this isn't the oniy— there? because this isn't thei only—activists only example where activists nowo — only example where activists have-underhandl only example where activists- have - underhand tactics have have used underhand tactics to have have used underhand tactics iolono— have have used underhand tactics iolono onno— have have used underhand tactics to.and drive women- have have used underhand tactics to and drive women of to try and drive women out of non— to try and drive women out of inoin nosis— to try and drive women out of inoin gosis ii— to try and drive women out of their posts if they— to try and drive women out of their posts if they dare to noosson— their posts if they dare to reassert the _ their posts if they dare to reassert the importance of women's-based- reassert the importance of women's-based this women's sex based rights. this is-nnoiion- women's sex based rights. this is-nnoiion .- women's sex based rights. this is-problem , isn't- women's sex based rights. this is problem , isn't it? is a broader problem, isn't it? it is a broader problem, isn't it? ii oisoiuioiy— is a broader problem, isn't it? it absolutely is. _ is a broader problem, isn't it? it absolutely is. and,- is a broader problem, isn't it? it absolutely is. and, you- is a broader problem, isn't it? it absolutely is. and, you know, it absolutely is. and, you know, i was listening to what you were saying kathleen stock and saying about kathleen stock and you know, at you were saying, you know, at some going have some point they're going to have to grow up. but it seems to me that aren't. they're that they aren't. they're getting places like the getting jobs in places like the hrc and ruining the world of work matches petit work so that it matches petit campus politics with little, you know, witchfinder generals being trained by people in gender studies transphobia, by studies to spot transphobia, by telepathy, it . so, telepathy, as you put it. so, yeah, people are ending up yeah, those people are ending up in and not so junior in junior and not so junior positions all over government, the civil service, the regulators, ones regulators, especially the ones that equality, that have an function equality, diversity and inclusion. and they're really wrecking the world of work. so yes , we hear world of work. so yes, we hear all the time in sex matters, we

get people saying, get emails from people saying, i'm under investigation because i'm under investigation because i girls and boys in school i said girls and boys in school or , you know, and we've been or, you know, and we've been told we have to change the told that we have to change the pronouns. school i pronouns. and the school where i work for four year olds, when the parents ask to us and these people no turn to, people have no one to turn to, the meant to be where the hrc is meant to be where they can turn. actually and yeah, all over the country there's this sort of concocting of evidence going of evidence and going after people use, know, people use, you know, weaponizing the that were weaponizing the tools that were meant to support workers and stop bosses from destroying stop bad bosses from destroying their these are their lives. these things are just being weaponized cry just being weaponized by cry bullies underlings. i bullies and toxic underlings. i think cry bullies is a really good— think cry bullies is a really good onnoso— think cry bullies is a really good phrase because these good phrase here because these ooonio— good phrase here because these ooooio-nioying- good phrase here because these people playing the people who are playing the wioiin — people who are playing the victim .order_ people who are playing the victim .order to- people who are playing the victim order to attack . but victim in order to attack. but you— victim in order to attack. but you-i— victim in order to attack. but you-i noon— victim in order to attack. but you-i oi- victim in order to attack. but- you-i mean, at-matters you must i mean, at sex matters . i you must i mean, at sex matters . i noon— you must i mean, at sex matters . i noon-oiuo— you must i mean, at sex matters . i noon-oiuo is— you must i mean, at sex matters . i mean,-clue is in- you must i mean, at sex matters . i mean, clue is in the . i mean, the clue is in the inoy-no— . i mean, the clue is in the name. they're sex matters. inoi-s— name. they're sex matters. inoi-s-youino- name. they're sex matters. that's you're advocating that's what you're advocating for. that's what you're advocating ion. inis— that's what you're advocating ion. no is— that's what you're advocating for. this is not— that's what you're advocating for. this is not a— that's what you're advocating for. this is not a controversial noini— for. this is not a controversial noini oi— for. this is not a controversial ooini oi wow— for. this is not a controversial point of view, surely. you point of view, surely. don't you ooon-inn— point of view, surely. don't you ever-that this- point of view, surely. don't you ever-that this is- ever feel a bit that this is a iii— ever feel a bit that this is a iii oononging— ever feel a bit that this is a bit deranging fact that bit deranging the fact that youo— bit deranging the fact that you nowing— bit deranging the fact that you're having promote you're having to promote a view inoi— you're having to promote a view inn-oii— you're having to promote a view inoiioii-is— you're having to promote a view that-all-is the- you're having to promote a view that-all-is the case. you're having to promote a view that all is the case and that we all know is the case and yet that we all know is the case and yoi sonnoinnos— that we all know is the case and yet sometimes you're hitting a union— yet sometimes you're hitting a union woiii— yet sometimes you're hitting a brick wall? i'm— yet sometimes you're hitting a brick wall? i'm constantly it ioois— brick wall? i'm constantly it feels deranging. e feels deranging. it honestly ioois— feels deranging. it honestly feels like we in the upside feels like we live in the upside down. mean, of sex

down. i mean, of course sex matters mammals and we matters where mammals and we evolved mammals come in two evolved and mammals come in two types, and female, and types, male and female, and sometimes that doesn't matter. but when it matters, it's sex that not people that matters, not what people say they are like, this is obvious and we can put our manifesto on one a4 page manifesto on half of one a4 page and everybody and and everybody knows it and nobody pretended not to know it until approximately five years ago. treated like ago. and now it's treated like it's . basically, it's very it's. basically, it's very deranging. that's exactly right . so we hear from people who who really feel they're being driven mad by all of this. like you feel like the whole world is playing some weird prank on you. yes. and you've experienced the ire yes. and you've experienced the ino-nnoiosions- ire of these protesters oonsonoiiy— ire of these protesters personally when gave a ire of these protesters- personally when .gave a talk personally when you gave a talk at personally when you gave a talk oi-ono— personally when you gave a talk oi-ono coius— personally when you gave a talk at and caius college at gonville and caius college ono— at gonville and caius college ono-wono— at gonville and caius college and were screaming outside and they were screaming outside and they were screaming outside ono-ino— and they were screaming outside and-the drums- and they were screaming outside and-the drums and- and they were screaming outside and the drums and they and banging the drums and they wono—oinon- and banging the drums and they were other students were intimidating other students who were intimidating other students wno-io— were intimidating other students wno-io oiiono— were intimidating other students who _to attend the - were intimidating other students who to attend the talk, were intimidating other students whothey to attend the talk, were intimidating other students whothey couldn't,and the talk, were intimidating other students whothey couldn't, isd the talk, were intimidating other students whothey couldn't, is thee talk, but they couldn't, is the soiuiion— but they couldn't, is the solution .to- but they couldn't, is the solution to persist in the solution just to persist in the way— solution just to persist in the woy inoi— solution just to persist in the woy inoi-oo— solution just to persist in the way that-do is- solution just to persist in the way that do is just go to way that you do is just go to inoso— way that you do is just go to these talks. _ way that you do is just go to these talks. kathleen stock this wooi— these talks. kathleen stock this wooilcwiono— these talks. kathleen stock this week-oxford i'm— these talks. kathleen stock this week oxford i'm that's week in oxford i'm sure that's going— week in oxford i'm sure that's going-ouno— week in oxford i'm sure that's going-guiio o- week in oxford i'm sure that's going quite a lively and going to be quite a lively and oossiiiy— going to be quite a lively and possibly unpleasant turnout from nnoiosions. — possibly unpleasant turnout from gnoiosions. nui— possibly unpleasant turnout from protesters. but what choice is inono— protesters. but what choice is inono oiion— protesters. but what choice is there other than _ protesters. but what choice is there other than to stay strong 7 aisoiuioiy—

there other than to stay strong inisoiuioiy — there other than to stay strong ? absolutely and— there other than to stay strong ? absolutely ' “2 there other than to stay strong ? absolutely “2 there other than to stay strong ? absolutely ' “2 7 ? absolutely and you know what? like it's not like kathleen and i and the other people who do this are being paid for any of it. you know, i turn up free to places like king's college to be shouted at and insulted by a bunch of students who don't know they're i do it they're born. and i do it because that because i think that universities important universities are important places is places and academia is important, and free speech is important. know, i hope important. and you know, i hope that look back that one day they'll look back and at what they did. and be ashamed at what they did. i doubt somehow it's got i doubt it. somehow it's got worse then. least worse since then. at least anyone in as some some anyone who came in as some some trans rights activists did come in draped trans flags for my in draped in trans flags for my talk. asked questions talk. but they asked questions and they listened to the answers. the only people who were were outside answers. the only people who were at were outside answers. the only people who were at times were outside answers. the only people who were at times that were outside answers. the only people who were at times that was re outside answers. the only people who were at times that was too utside answers. the only people who were at times that was too loud; and at times that was too loud for anyone inside the room to heat for anyone inside the room to hear. but i heard that at kathleen's recent talks, they come they block book come in and they block book seats, it starts, seats, and then when it starts, get up and walk out, which means that who did want to that people who did want to listen deprived the listen are deprived of the opportunity. guess we opportunity. motty so i guess we just have to push through because otherwise they win again. yes. hannah joyce, on inoi—you- again. yes. hannah joyce, on inoi—you so- again. yes. hannah joyce, on that—you so much again. yes. hannah joyce, on. that—you so much for that note, thank you so much for roining— that note, thank you so much for roining nno— that note, thank you so much for joining me. appreciate it that note, thank you so much for jithank�*ne. appreciate it that note, thank you so much for jithank you appreciate it that note, thank you so much for

jithank you so appreciate it that note, thank you so much for jithank you so coming'eciate it that note, thank you so much for jithank you so coming upate it that note, thank you so much for jithank you so coming up in it that note, thank you so much for jithank you so coming up in the . thank you so coming up in the iinoi— . thank you so coming up in the iinoi non— . thank you so coming up in the iinoi non oi— . thank you so coming up in the final part of free— . thank you so coming up in the final part of free speech woiion— final part of free speech woiion io— final part of free speech nation, ed davey enters the gonoon— nation, ed davey enters the gonoon now— nation, ed davey enters the gender row and— nation, ed davey enters the gender row and a pink floyd nnonnoni— gender row and a pink floyd member dresses— gender row and a pink floyd member dresses up as a fascist oioioion. — member dresses up as a fascist oioioion. nis— member dresses up as a fascist dictator. it's almost time for sooioi— dictator. it's almost time for social sensations— dictator. it's almost time for social sensations .

welcome back to free speech woiion— welcome back to free speech woiion .— welcome back to free speech woiion . so— welcome back to free speech nation . so it's— welcome back to free speech nation . so it's time for social nation. so it's time for social sonsoioni— nation. so it's time for social sonsoioni os— nation. so it's time for social sensation as we _ nation. so it's time for social sensation as we take our weekly iooi— sensation as we take our weekly iooi oi— sensation as we take our weekly iooi oi ino— sensation as we take our weekly look at the wild— sensation as we take our weekly look at the wild and wacky world of look at the wild and wacky world oi sooioi— look at the wild and wacky world of social media. _ look at the wild and wacky world of social media. so— look at the wild and wacky world of social media. so first up, inis— of social media. so first up, no wiooo— of social media. so first up, this video went— of social media. so first up, this video went a- of social media. so first up, this video went a bit viral this wooi— this video went a bit viral this wooi. inis— this video went a bit viral this week. this was— this video went a bit viral this week. this was lib dem leader ed nowoy— week. this was lib dem leader ed i>owoy ono— week. this was lib dem leader ed oowoy ono nois— week. this was lib dem leader ed davey and he's showing that ioooons— davey and he's showing that ioooons oi— davey and he's showing that leaders of political parties, inoy— leaders of political parties, inoy siiii— leaders of political parties, they still can't— leaders of political parties, they still can't answer this nony— they still can't answer this wony sinoio— they still can't answer this very simple question. let's have a very simple question. let's have o iooi— very simple question. let's have o iooi. woii— very simple question. let's have a look. well i've— very simple question. let's have a look. well i've just answered inoi— a look. well i've just answered that question. _ a look. well i've just answered that question. “0g 0pi“ 3:00“ that question. they can. well, listen, made it really listen, i've made it really clear that if people the vast majority of people will have the same gender as their biological sex, but a small number won't . sex, but a small number won't. so a woman can have a penis.

wow.— so a woman can have a penis. woii. guiio— so a woman can have a penis. well, quite clearly,— so a woman can have a penis. well, quite clearly, i— so a woman can have a penis. well, quite clearly, i really like that. quite clearly, a woman can have- like that. quite clearly, a woman can have a- c quite clearly, a woman can have a penis. c quite clearly, a woman can have a penis . you're woman can have a penis. you're a wiin— woman can have a penis. you're a wiin o— woman can have a penis. you're a woman with a penis.— woman can have a penis. you're a woman with a penis. what do you inni— woman with a penis. what do you inini oioui— woman with a penis. what do you think about that?— woman with a penis. what do you think about that? exactly. it's good— think about that? exactly. it's good io— think about that? exactly. it's good io soo— think about that? exactly. it's good to see ed— think about that? exactly. it's good to see ed davey standing up for women like— good to see ed davey standing up for women like me.— good to see ed davey standing up for women like me. yeah, good for women like me. yeah, good ion nin— for women like me. yeah, good ion nin .— for women like me. yeah, good ion nin . ii— for women like me. yeah, good ion nin . ii is.— for women like me. yeah, good for him . it is. it— for women like me. yeah, good for him . it is. it is.— for women like me. yeah, good for him . it is. it is. so for him. it is. it is. so maddening- for him. it is. it is. so maddening now because we know for him. it is. it is. so— maddening now because we know he knows— maddening now because we know he knows-inns— maddening now because we know he knows-that's-true. - maddening now because we know he knows-that's-true. so- knows that that's not true. so it knows that that's not true. so ii is— knows that that's not true. so it is absolutely— knows that that's not true. so it is absolutely maddening iooouso— it is absolutely maddening because it's— it is absolutely maddening because it's like , i swear, it because it's like, i swear, it ooouois— because it's like, i swear, it deducts from _ because it's like, i swear, it deducts from the real trans gonoon— deducts from the real trans gender argument. "i0pic gender argument. the real people who genuinely have this gender dysphoria and they and it just plays into the hands of bad faith actors. it really does genuine transgender people can a genuine transgender people can a genuine transgender people can a genuine transgender woman can have a penis. yes. yes. yeah. but you're still a trans woman . but you're still a trans woman. do you know what i mean? like. well, it's not. sit there and say,— well, it's not. sit there and soy, woii— well, it's not. sit there and say, well, quite— 3:00“ e sit there and say, well, quite clearly women nono— say, well, quite clearly women nowo ponisos— say, well, quite clearly women have penises because we don't. i have penises because we don't. i noon— have penises because we don't. i unioss— have penises because we don't. i unioss i— have penises because we don't. i mean, unless i got— have penises because we don't. i mean, unless i got the- have penises because we don't. i mean, unless i got the bum end of the queue i did. i miss out. it's just of the queue i did. i miss out. iiis iusi o— of the queue i did. i miss out. it's just a weird— of the queue i did. i miss out. it's just a weird one- 2 2 2 i miss out. it's just a weird one because its— it's just a weird one because is iino— it's just a weird one because it's like this— it's just a weird one because it's like this question . it's like this question. people say— it's like this question. people soy iiis— it's like this question. people soy is o— it's like this question. people say it's a gotcha.— it's like this question. people

say it's a gotcha. but i think it's just a way to test the honesty of people in power. yeah, because we all know. they know the answer to this clothes, right? is the emperor naked or oioinooi— right? is the emperor naked or oioinooi — right? is the emperor naked or clothed? okay.— right? is the emperor naked or clothed? okay. right.- " 3“7 is the emperor naked or clothed? 3 3“ clothed? okay. right. we got this. video that this. now, this was a video that went bit mad this week. so went a bit mad this week. so this is pink floyd band member roger waters in roger waters performing in berlin. he made this rather berlin. and he made this rather surprising costume choice as . surprising costume choice as. okay we're going to need some context. so those weren't real bullets. okay , fine, fine. no, bullets. okay, fine, fine. no, inoy— bullets. okay, fine, fine. no, they basically— bullets. okay, fine, fine. no, they basically i— okay, fine, fine. no, they basically i think in the wow— they basically i think in the wall there's— they basically i think in the wall there's a— they basically i think in the wall there's a character played by wall there's a character played iy noi— wall there's a character played iy noi ooiooi— wall there's a character played by bob geldof in— wall there's a character played by bob geldof in the film. yeah, noon. — by bob geldof in the film. yeah, noon. so— by bob geldof in the film. yeah, yeah. so that's— by bob geldof in the film. yeah, yeah. so that's that's who it is. ano— yeah. so that's that's who it is. and ioiis— yeah. so that's that's who it is. and let's not— yeah. so that's that's who it is. and let's not let this oisinooi— is. and let's not let this distract from - is. and let's not let this distract from the fact that pink iioyois— distract from the fact that pink iioyo-s nnusio— distract from the fact that pink floyd's music is— distract from the fact that pink floyd's music is incredibly boning— floyd's music is incredibly ioning .— floyd's music is incredibly ioning . no— floyd's music is incredibly boring . he managed to get floyd's music is incredibly boring. he managed to get in floyd's music is incredibly boring . he managed to get in the boring. he managed to get in the poisons— boring. he managed to get in the oonons .— boring. he managed to get in the oooons , nui— boring. he managed to get in the oooons , iui nogon— boring. he managed to get in the papers , but roger waters is papers, but roger waters is a nisiony— papers, but roger waters is a nisiony oi— papers, but roger waters is a history of anti—semitism. he's nonooi—

history of anti—semitism. he's repeat heatedly_ history of anti—semitism. he's repeat heatedly compared israel to repeat heatedly compared israel io oonnony— repeat heatedly compared israel to germany, and— repeat heatedly compared israel to germany, and he's doing this in nonin— to germany, and he's doing this in berlin, where— to germany, and he's doing this in berlin, where more and i inini— in berlin, where more and i inini ooss— in berlin, where more and i think across the— in berlin, where more and i think across the eu it's illegal to think across the eu it's illegal io gioniiy— think across the eu it's illegal io gioniiy onoi— think across the eu it's illegal to glorify that he— think across the eu it's illegal to glorify that he has said explicifly_ to glorify that he has said explicitly he _ to glorify that he has said explicitly he is— to glorify that he has said explicitly he is not an anti—semite. 0 explicitly he is not an- anti—semite. he's completely denied those allegations. that's what all anti—semites see. yeah i'm saying that because that is his you know, we have to be very careful about that. he has denied but this denied that. but also this performance he does performance he says he does every and he's been doing every year and he's been doing this that came out . this since that film came out. is accurate? well, i don't is that accurate? well, i don't know— is that accurate? well, i don't know .— is that accurate? well, i don't know .|nowonii— is that accurate? well, i don't know . i haven't - been i is that accurate? well, i don't. know .ihaven't-been going know. i haven't been been going to know. i haven't been been going iolnoniin.— know. i haven't been been going iolnoniin. nui— know. i haven't been been going tolberlin. but but— know. i haven't been been going to berlin. but but yeah, to in berlin. but but yeah, i nogon— to in berlin. but but yeah, i mean, roger waters, he nogooiooiy— mean, roger waters, he repeatedly criticised his israel he repeatedly criticised his israel no singios— repeatedly criticised his israel he singles out— repeatedly criticised his israel he singles out for criticism and he singles out for criticism and no noon— he singles out for criticism and he never seems to— he singles out for criticism and he never seems to appreciate the onion— he never seems to appreciate the context around _ he never seems to appreciate the context around israel which is inoi— context around israel which is no ino— context around israel which is that the countries around it innougnoui— throughout its history have inioo— throughout its history have inioolwino— throughout its history have tried .wipe lout- throughout its history have tried-wipelout .- throughout its history have tried wipe out . it's tried to wipe it out. it's nooooiooiy— tried to wipe it out. it's repeatedly attacked with suicide ionions— repeatedly attacked with suicide bombers - stuff. _ repeatedly attacked with suicide bombers - stuff. so - repeatedly attacked with suicide bombers stuff. so there are bombers and stuff. so there are reasons-there's— bombers and stuff. so there are. reasons-there's-rights reasons and there's human rights ousois— reasons and there's human rights oiusos-ino— reasons and there's human rights abuses the countries abuses in all the countries onoun— abuses in all the countries around about— abuses in all the countries around about israel. but he ooosn-i—sol around about israel. but he. doesn't—so diane, doesn't attack them. so diane, giwon— doesn't attack them. so diane, goon—ino- doesn't attack them. so diane, given—the fact- doesn't attack them. so diane, given the fact that given that given the fact that he given that given the fact that nolso— given that given the fact that he i so - subject - given that given the fact that he i so - subject to - he is so often subject to allegations— he is so often subject to allegations anti—semitism, is allegations of anti—semitism, is it allegations of anti—semitism, is ii wis— allegations of anti—semitism, is ii ion— allegations of anti—semitism, is it wise for him _ allegations of anti—semitism, is it wise for him to— allegations of anti—semitism, is it wise for him to continue to do inis— it wise for him to continue to do this particular— it wise for him to continue to do this particular performance if do this particular performance ii-suiiooioo— do this particular performance if-subjected to- do this particular performance

if subjected to these if he is subjected to these allegations,— if he is subjected to these allegations, then i would say probably— allegations, then i would say onoioniy noi,— allegations, then i would say probably not, right. i mean, i nnusi— probably not, right. i mean, i nnusi ounii— probably not, right. i mean, i nnusi ounii .— probably not, right. i mean, i must admit, when he first came on, my vision is not that good. and i thought, is he come as madonna because she has this character called madame and character called madame x and i thought was bit that. thought it was a bit like that. and then i realised what it and then when i realised what it was, thought, god, you was, i thought, oh god, you thought was a? yeah. okay. thought he was a? yeah. okay. well, thought he was a? yeah. okay. woii inoi— thought he was a? yeah. okay. well, that would— thought he was a? yeah. okay. well, that would have- 3 p7 yeah. okay. well, that would have been ionoi— well, that would have been better,-yeah.- well, that would have been better, yeah. okay better, actually. yeah. okay now:— better, actually. yeah. okay wow, inis— better, actually. yeah. okay wow, no is— better, actually. yeah. okay now, this is the— better, actually. yeah. okay now, this is the of the now, this is the part of the snow— now, this is the part of the snow wnono— now, this is the part of the show where we're going to talk innougn— show where we're going to talk innougn youn— show where we're going to talk through your unfiltered dilemmas.— dilemmas. so thanks very much for dilemmas. so thanks very much ionowon— so- dilemmas. so thanks very much for—ever. so thisi for emailing in as ever. so this is-noui— for emailing in as ever. so this is-noui in— for emailing in as ever. so this is-paul in essex.- for emailing in as ever. so this is paul in essex. paul says is from paul in essex. paul says i_go_ is from paul in essex. paul says ._90 io- is from paul in essex. paul says ,_90 io iosoo-sl , every sunday i go to tesco's ono— , every sunday i go to tesco's ono noun— , every sunday i go to tesco's and hour before— , every sunday i go to tesco's and hour before it— , every sunday i go to tesco's and hour before it closes and nono— and hour before it closes and noio o— and hour before it closes and make a beeline_ and hour before it closes and make a beeline for the reduced iions— make a beeline for the reduced iions os— make a beeline for the reduced items as there's— make a beeline for the reduced items as there's one guy who sionos— items as there's one guy who stands there— items as there's one guy who stands there waiting for the iinoi— stands there waiting for the final knockdowns and then blocks oinons— final knockdowns and then blocks oinons inon — final knockdowns and then blocks others from getting look in. others from getting a look in. win— others from getting a look in. wnoi wouio— others from getting a look in. what would you _ others from getting a look in. what would you say to him ? okay, what would you say to him? okay, mono,— what would you say to him? okay, mane, inougnis— what would you say to him? okay, diane, thoughts on— what would you say to him? okay, diane, thoughts on this one? wou— diane, thoughts on this one? woii. inoi— diane, thoughts on this one? woii. no is— diane, thoughts on this one? well, that is clearly- diane, thoughts on this one? well, that is clearly very- diane, thoughts on this one? well, that is clearly very rude. so first of all, i would start by passively, aggressively , like by passively, aggressively, like like like physically getting into his space and eyeball him. like i'd make eye contact . and like i'd make eye contact. and then after that , if he's if he

then after that, if he's if he gets into my because i've seen fights break out. yeah. people get really upset about this. i do i've seen fights break out. so you've got to be ready if you're going to bring it, bring it. don't ever pick up something that you don't want used on you. so to start so if you're going to start a fight the food aisle, pick up fight in the food aisle, pick up the coleslaw, don't pick up a sandwich. you've got direct oooniono— sandwich. you've got direct experience-diane,. sandwich. you've got direct. experience-diane, what experience of this. diane, what do you— experience of this. diane, what do you inini— experience of this. diane, what do you think of— experience of this. diane, what do you think of that? this one? ioo—inoy- do you think of that? this one? ioo—inoy do. i do you think of that? this one? leo _they do. it'sj leo waitrose oh, they do. it's oonon— leo waitrose oh, they do. it's nooon-onu— leo waitrose oh, they do. it's better- and - do - leo waitrose oh, they do. it's better and do better better food and they do better yellow reductions, yellow sticker reductions, right? well, on that " 3“7 well, on that advertisement for 2 3“7 well, on that advertisement for waitrose snowing— advertisement for waitrose showing how middle class you are iiono— showing how middle class you are mono-noi— showing how middle class you are there.-not what- showing how middle class you are there.-not what they- there. leo it's not what they oxnooioo,— there. leo it's not what they expected, - but- there. leo it's not what they expected, but look, thanks expected, okay, but look, thanks nony— expected, okay, but look, thanks wow-ion— expected, okay, but look, thanks wony-ion ioining— expected, okay, but look, thanks very-forjoining us- expected, okay, but look, thanks very forjoining us for very much for joining us for inoo—inis- very much for joining us for. free _this week. free speech nation this week. inis— free speech nation this week. ins-wooi— free speech nation this week. this _week when - free speech nation this week. this week when baroness this was the week when baroness ioiinon— this was the week when baroness ioiinon os— this was the week when baroness falkner was smeared by active iosoisis— falkner was smeared by activej fascists _from fascists with a little help from cnonnoi— fascists with a little help from channel-desantis- fascists with a little help from channel desantis had channel 4. ron desantis had a nooiy— channel 4. ron desantis had a nooiy iounon— channel 4. ron desantis had a rocky launch to— channel 4. ron desantis had a rocky launch to his campaign to be rocky launch to his campaign to no ino— rocky launch to his campaign to no no noxi— rocky launch to his campaign to be the next republican nominee, and be the next republican nominee, ono siuoonis— be the next republican nominee, and students at— be the next republican nominee, and students at oxford tried to noon— and students at oxford tried to nnowoni—inon - prevent an academic from spooning— prevent an academic from. spooning—you speaking because, well, you know,— speaking because, well, you know,-disagree - speaking because, well, you know, disagree with her. so know, they disagree with her. so inonis— know, they disagree with her. so inonis-nonoi— know, they disagree with her. so thanks panel, diane thanks to my panel, diane snonoon— thanks to my panel, diane soonoon ono— thanks to my panel, diane spencer and leo kearse and all of spencer and leo kearse and all oi-guosis— spencer and leo kearse and all oi-guosis-ano- spencer and leo kearse and all of-guests-and if. spencer and leo kearse and alll of-guests-and if you of my guests tonight. and if you won— of my guests tonight. and if you woni io— of my guests tonight. and if you woni io ioin— of my guests tonight. and if you woni io on us— of my guests tonight. and if you want to join us live— of my guests tonight. and if you want to join us live in the siuoio— want to join us live in the siuoio-non- want to join us live in the studio-part of- want to join us live in the studio part of our studio and be part of our ouionooo— studio and be part of our audience,-can- studio and be part of our audience, can that. audience, you can do that. niooso— audience, you can do that. niooso go— audience, you can do that. please go .ww- audience, you can do that. please go ww dot sro

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