would want that job now if someone said to me, give me all of your whatsapp messages, quite frankly , i'd end up in a whole frankly, i'd end up in a whole host of trouble. would you.7 or host of trouble. would you? or is there anything to see in yours at all? boris johnson has been asked to hand over his and get it's broken. earlier get this, it's broken. earlier this that person this afternoon that the person that diary is that shops his diary is basically to police was basically to the police was related to harriet harman. mhm. the plot thickens. is there anything to see here? some people saying stitch up witch

hunt. kangaroo courts. what says you and the pieces union now saying that the civil service is institutionally racist. also pieces workers saying that they would go on strike if forced to implement the rwanda plan. give me a break. meanwhile, other unions carrying motions saying that the government should put out of ukraine, stop arming them. oh, dup ian's. i think you are getting a little bit ahead of yourself. what says you and the former archbishop of canterbury says that more debate on assisted dying is needed. he reckons it is, i quote, profoundly crucial . ian, to want profoundly crucial. ian, to want to alleviate someone's else's suffering. is he right? to alleviate someone's else's suffering. is he right ? what suffering. is he right? what says you on the topic of assisted dying and kathleen's stock? we're all familiar now with what's going on there. she's speaking at the oxford union. our prime minister has staged an intervention, saying it's absolutely right that it goes ahead. is it can people not handle free speech? give me a break. and are you an old driver

? should there be an age limit to when you should have to leave the road? we'll have all of that to come. but before we do, let's bfing to come. but before we do, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. michelle, thank you . here's tonight's latest headlines. - michelle, thank you . here's your michelle, thank you. here's your top stories— michelle, thank you. here's your top stories from _ michelle, thank you. here's your top stories from the newsroom this— top stories from the newsroom this evening.— top stories from the newsroom this evening. downing street has denied— this evening. downing street has denied claims— this evening. downing street has denied claims of— this evening. downing street has denied claims of a— this evening. downing street has denied claims of a cover up over the reeeete— denied claims of a cover up over the teeeete et— denied claims of a cover up over the release of former prime hthtetet— the release of former prime minister boris— the release of former prime minister boris johnson's whats/the— minister boris johnson's whatsapp messages to the covid inquiry-— whatsapp messages to the covid hquth. the— whatsapp messages to the covid inquiry. the inquiry has now extehtet— inquiry. the inquiry has now extended the— inquiry. the inquiry has now extended the deadline for the government— extended the deadline for the government to— extended the deadline for the government to hand over the uhteteetet— government to hand over the unredacted messages to thursday . the— unredacted messages to thursday . the cathet— unredacted messages to thursday . the cabinet office— unredacted messages to thursday . the cabinet office previously arguet— . the cabinet office previously arguet the— . the cabinet office previously argued the material was irrelevant— argued the material was irrelevant ._ argued the material was irrelevant . but shadow irrelevant. but shadow chancellor— irrelevant. but shadow chancellor wes streeting says the tethe— chancellor wes streeting says the prime minister isn't being eenttt— the prime minister isn't being eehttt. he— the prime minister isn't being candid. he says— the prime minister isn't being candid. he says he wants the government— candid. he says he wants the government to— candid. he says he wants the government to cooperate with the hquth. — government to cooperate with the hquth. hut— government to cooperate with the hquth. hut the— government to cooperate with the inquiry. c inquiry. but the government has been withholding information. the inquiry has asked for one minute. the government says that the messages they have are immaterial, while the next minute they're they don't minute they're saying they don't exist. it? and exist. well, which is it? and i'm afraid the prime minister's

slipperiness today has given all the impression someone who slipperiness today has given all the ifully;sion someone who slipperiness today has given all the ifully committed1eone who slipperiness today has given all the ifully committed to»ne who isn't fully committed to transparency, openness and accountability, which , after accountability, which, after all, is really important, not just for learning lessons, but also for those huge numbers of people out there who are bereaved and want answers. well the prime minister has defended the prime minister has defended the government's approach. the government's handed over- c f the government's handed over tens ent— government's handed over tens eht tene— government's handed over tens the tens et— government's handed over tens and tens of thousands of documents— and tens of thousands of documents in— and tens of thousands of documents in a spirit of candour ent— documents in a spirit of candour and transparency— documents in a spirit of candour and transparency because it is thhetteht— and transparency because it is thhetteht thet— and transparency because it is important that we learn the teeeehe— important that we learn the teens et— important that we learn the lessons of covid with regard to the pehteutet— lessons of covid with regard to the particular question at the moment — the particular question at the moment. we're— the particular question at the moment. we're carefully considering— moment. we're carefully considering next steps, but the government— considering next steps, but the government is— considering next steps, but the government is confident in its teeth.— government is confident in its heettteh. — government is confident in its position. russia's— government is confident in its position. t chin position. russia's president has blamed ukraine for a rare drone strike on moscow , saying it was strike on moscow, saying it was an attempt to scare and provoke him. the kremlin claims it shot down all eight drones, which targeted civilian infrastructure, describing the strikes as terrorist activity . strikes as terrorist activity. dodi. several buildings were damaged and at least two people were injured . and speaking in were injured. and speaking in estonia, ahead of a nato meeting, the foreign secretary

james cleverly, has supported ukraine's right to defend itself , that ukraine does have the legitimate right to defend itself. it has the legitimate hght— itself. it has the legitimate hght te— itself. it has the legitimate hght to te— itself. it has the legitimate right to do so— it has the legitimate right to do so within its own teeters— right to do so within its own hettete et— right to do so within its own borders of course, but it does the— borders of course, but it does the have— borders of course, but it does also have the— borders of course, but it does also have the right to project the— also have the right to project tetee heyeht— also have the right to project force beyond its— also have the right to project force beyond its borders to do to undermine _ force beyond its borders to do to undermine russia's ability to protect— to undermine russia's ability to proj'ect tetee — to undermine russia's ability to project force into— to undermine russia's ability to project force into ukraine tteett— project force into ukraine tteett. se— project force into ukraine itself. so meanwhile , ukraine itself. so meanwhile, ukraine hee— itself. so meanwhile, ukraine has tehtet— itself. so meanwhile, ukraine has denied responsibility for the attack— has denied responsibility for the attack in— has denied responsibility for the attack in moscow while teethg— the attack in moscow while dealing with— the attack in moscow while dealing with the fallout of theta-e— dealing with the fallout of russia's latest— dealing with the fallout of russia's latest strikes on its eeptteh— russia's latest strikes on its eehttet, tyh— russia's latest strikes on its eehttet, tytv. — russia's latest strikes on its capital, kyiv . qt; russia's latest strikes on its capital, kyiv . ow; " russia's latest strikes on its capital, kyiv . ostz; " capital, kyiv. one person was killed in the capital and four others killed across ukraine. at least 34 people have been injured, including two children. it's the third time russia's struck kyiv in the past 24 hours, with ukraine's military claiming to have intercepted more than 20 drones. the prime minister says plans to restrict the marketing of vapes will prevent what he called the unacceptable targeting of young

people. ministers say they'll close a legal loophole allowing retailers to give free samples to children in england. they'll also consider banning retailers selling nicotine free vapes to under 18. the director of the uk's largest e—cigarette and vaping retailer, doug mutter , vaping retailer, doug mutter, says it's a welcome step. but tough action is needed to back it up. we want actually to push further and ask for tough sanctions to follow up. the state mint where - sanctions to follow up. the state mint where we - f c. the state mint where we bring in thee— state mint where we bring in thee et— state mint where we bring in thee et uh— state mint where we bring in thee et up to— state mint where we bring in fines of up to £10,000 per hetehee— fines of up to £10,000 per instance because the fines are hot— instance because the fines are hot hehhehhg.— instance because the fines are not happening. this loophole heete— not happening. this loophole needs closed— not happening. this loophole needs closed out— not happening. this loophole needs closed out and we need to eteh— needs closed out and we need to eteh theee— needs closed out and we need to stop these products— needs closed out and we need to stop these products being accessible— stop these products being accessible to _ stop these products being accessible to children. eamonn hehee— accessible to children. eamonn hehee hee— accessible to children. eamonn homes has alleged there was a tetet— homes has alleged there was a tetet covet— homes has alleged there was a tetet uh— homes has alleged there was a total cover up of— homes has alleged there was a total cover up of philip schofield's_ total cover up of philip schofield's affair with a much younger— schofield's affair with a much younger hete— schofield's affair with a much younger male colleague at itv's thte— younger male colleague at itv's thte morning-— younger male colleague at itv's thte heththg. — younger male colleague at itv's this morning. f: t: c this morning. schofield quit the show on friday and was dropped by his agency after admitting to an unwise but not illegal affair. in a gb news exclusive, former this morning, host eamonn

holmes claimed executives at itv knew about the affair and covered it up to protect philip. holly willoughby and the brand. ididn't. i holly willoughby and the brand. i didn't. i didn't know anything . i i didn't. i didn't know anything . . heart— i didn't. i didn't know anything . i heard some— t: t: " c i didn't know anything . i heard some rumours. where you— . i heard some rumours. where you 90mg— . i heard some rumours. where you gehg te— . i heard some rumours. where were you going to go to with theee— were you going to go to with these rumours?— were you going to go to with these rumours? who you know, eveeheh— these rumours? who you know, everyone was team philip and teth— everyone was team philip and hetty ent— everyone was team philip and hetty the they— everyone was team philip and holly and they were there together. — holly and they were there together. they— holly and they were there together. they were seen together. — together. they were seen together. they- together. they were seen together. they were seen together. they were the brand and:— together. they were the brand the, wett— together. they were the brand the, teeth h— together. they were the brand and, well, in a— together. they were the brand and, well, in a statement to itv eehtthhet— and, well, in a statement to itv eehtttmet ht,— and, well, in a statement to itv confirmed it, investigated rumours of a— confirmed it, investigated rumours of a relationship between— rumours of a relationship between schofield and a fellow ehhteyee— between schofield and a fellow ehhteyee ent— between schofield and a fellow employee and that both parties otter— employee and that both parties qatar rhetorically_ employee and that both parties qatar rhetorically and tepeetetty— qatar rhetorically and repeatedly denied rumours, as did schofield's— repeatedly denied rumours, as did schofield's agent at the the— did schofield's agent at the the . — did schofield's agent at the the . ant— did schofield's agent at the time . and you— did schofield's agent at the time . t: tat?“ did schofield's agent at the time . ' t: e?“ f did schofield's agent at the time . t: tit?“ i did schofield's agent at the- time . and you can watch the full time. and you can watch the full interview with eamonn holmes on dan wootton tonight from 9 pm. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and on tune in this is gb news. now it's back to .

michelle thanks for that, bethany. i'm with you till 7:00 alongside me. hevtt— with you till 7:00 alongside me. hevtt eaten,— with you till 7:00 alongside me. david caton, the— with you till 7:00 alongside me. david caton, the leader of the hehtege — david caton, the leader of the hehtege petty— david caton, the leader of the hehtege petty ,— david caton, the leader of the heritage party , and adele heritage party, and adele hettwett— heritage party, and adele hettwett te— heritage party, and adele hartwell is the editor of labour uheut. — hartwell is the editor of labour uheut. hoot— hartwell is the editor of labour uncut. good evening, gents. you thew— uncut. good evening, gents. you knew the— uncut. good evening, gents. you know the drill.— uncut. good evening, gents. you know the drill. don't you? it's hot— know the drill. don't you? it's hot thet— know the drill. don't you? it's not just about— know the drill. don't you? it's not just about us— know the drill. don't you? it's not just about us three. it is very— not just about us three. it is very much— not just about us three. it is very much about— not just about us three. it is very much about you. what's on your— very much about you. what's on your rhtht— very much about you. what's on your mind tonight?— very much about you. what's on your mind tonight? views at your mind tonight? gb views at gb your mind tonight? gb views at he -eerh — your mind tonight? gb views at he -eerh te— your mind tonight? gb views at eh-eerh he the- your mind tonight? gb views at gb com is the email. or gb news dot com is the email. or you— gb news dot com is the email. or you eth— gb news dot com is the email. or you tweet— gb news dot com is the email. or you can tweet me— gb news dot com is the email. or you can tweet me at— gb news dot com is the email. or you can tweet me at gb news. now— you can tweet me at gb news. how, r— you can tweet me at gb news. how, r wee— you can tweet me at gb news. how, r 90mg— you can tweet me at gb news. now, i was going to lead this ehew— now, i was going to lead this eherr teeth— now, i was going to lead this show today talking about boris tehheeh— show today talking about boris tehheeh ,— show today talking about boris johnson , wondering whether or johnson, wondering whether or not johnson, wondering whether or hot-theeet- johnson, wondering whether or not-indeed be- johnson, wondering whether or not indeed be forced not he should indeed be forced to not he should indeed be forced te-erer— not he should indeed be forced te-ever pretty— not he should indeed be forced to over pretty much to hand over pretty much everything— to hand over pretty much everything unredacted. everything really unredacted. all everything really unredacted. att et— everything really unredacted. att et hte— everything really unredacted. all of his whatsapp stuff. i weutth-t— all of his whatsapp stuff. i wouldn't want— all of his whatsapp stuff. i wouldn't want to do that, quite tenth,— wouldn't want to do that, quite franklvr weutt — wouldn't want to do that, quite frankly, would you? think frankly, would you? i think i hereeheth— frankly, would you? i think i personally would get trouble. personally would get in trouble. heter— personally would get in trouble. never—johnson,- never mind, boris johnson, you tate— never mind, boris johnson, you take-eut— never mind, boris johnson, you take -out.context. never mind, boris johnson, you. take -out.context and take anything out of context and you take anything out of context and yer-reat— take anything out of context and you read something into it, you can read something into it, eeheetetty—eht- you can read something into it, especially and age, especially in this day and age, eepeeteth— especially in this day and age, especially-culture- especially in this day and age, especially culture and especially with the culture and all especially with the culture and at the— especially with the culture and at the teet— especially with the culture and all the rest of— especially with the culture and all the rest of that seems to all the rest of it that seems to extet— all the rest of it that seems to extet et— all the rest of it that seems to extet at the— all the rest of it that seems to exist at the moment. and then i thought— exist at the moment. and then i therehtlmyeett— exist at the moment. and then i thought myself, you know exist at the moment. and then i thougii'm myself, you know exist at the moment. and then i thougii'm not'self, you know exist at the moment. and then i thougii'm not going ou know exist at the moment. and then i thougii'm not going to know exist at the moment. and then i thougii'm not going to debate it what, i'm not going to debate it heeeuee— what, i'm not going to debate it because they've— what, i'm not going to debate it because they've kicked the teettthe— because they've kicked the deadline-road. . deadline down the road. it went— deadline down the road. it weeh-t-wew- deadline down the road. it. wasn't-now-going deadline down the road. it- wasn't-now-going to wasn't today. now it's going to be wasn't today. now it's going to he-theteet. - wasn't today. now it's going to be-instead. and- wasn't today. now it's going to be instead. and then be thursday instead. and then the-trowe— be thursday instead. and then the-broke that- be thursday instead. and then the broke that the person

the news broke that the person that— the news broke that the person that epherehttw— the news broke that the person that apparently the that apparently leaked the three— that apparently leaked thei diaries—which that apparently leaked the. diaries—which of diaries to the police, which of course,-familiar- diaries to the police, which of course, familiar with, course, you'll be familiar with, as course, you'll be familiar with, ee-thte— course, you'll be familiar with, as-this latest- as caused this latest investigation. as caused this latest- investigation. -chisholm, as caused this latest- inv

they've been blaming oliver dowden and rishi sunak . there's dowden and rishi sunak. there's an element there where it did go to it would have gone to ministers because something as big as this, no civil servant does on their own. the does that on their own. the diaries, diary wasn't diaries, his diary wasn't leaked. handed as leaked. it was handed over as part of part of the part of a part of the established practise written down guidance by down in the guidance cleared by the secretary, cleared the cabinet secretary, cleared by ministers. you're a trusting et— by ministers. you're a trusting et-he- by ministers. you're a trusting man at-he reflect. by ministers. you're a trusting. man at-he reflect your man at all. does he reflect your thewghte— man at all. does he reflect your thewghte et— man at all. does he reflect your thoughts at home?— man at all. does he reflect your thoughts at home? suspect some thoughts at home? i suspect some of thoughts at home? i suspect some et vou— thoughts at home? i suspect some et wow wttt— thoughts at home? i suspect some of you will have— thoughts at home? i suspect some of you will have quite a ttttereht— of you will have quite a different opinion about whether or different opinion about whether er-et— different opinion about whether er-et thre— different opinion about whether er-et thte te— different opinion about whether or-of this is just- or not all of this is just coincidence. _ or not all of this is just coincidence. all or not all of this is just- coincidence. -all.this or not all of this is just- coincidence.-all.this is coincidence. and all of this is thteet— coincidence. and all of this is thteet thet— coincidence. and all of this is indeed just process. what do indeed just due process. what do you hate— indeed just due process. what do you mate to— indeed just due process. what do you make to it? _ indeed just due process. what do you make to it? it's— indeed just due process. what do you make to it? c t: i you make to it? it's difficult to know, isn't it? because he's in position he handed the in a position and he handed the evidence over to the police. you know, if there some know, if there was some wrongdoing, some criminal wrongdoing, then that should happen. this investigation, though , is going on, i think, though, is going on, i think, till 2026. and it is absolutely right that we get to the bottom of it. i have no sympathy for bofis of it. i have no sympathy for boris or the labour party. they're both in it together in terms of establishing lock downs and all the things that went with it that actually ruined the country and the economy and all the other things that happened

that were very, very bad. so you know, a little know, it's a little bit hypocritical for them to be, you know, trying to the moral know, trying to take the moral high when they were high ground when they were in it together. investigation together. but the investigation does go ahead. and i does need to go ahead. and i think that everything is think that everything that is evidence that you have in terms of boris johnson's messages should be made open to everybody to see. do you but you see the mayhe— to see. do you but you see the hewhe th— to see. do you but you see the maybe t-rh thet— to see. do you but you see the maybe t-rh twet e— do you but you see the maybe i'm just a little bit i ten-t— maybe i'm just a little bit i don't necessarily trust the meth— don't necessarily trust the metre ee— don't necessarily trust the media as well— don't necessarily trust the media as well to behave properly heeewee— media as well to behave properly heeewee t— media as well to behave properly because i think— media as well to behave properly because i think there's so much eeheeteht— because i think there's so much sensation journalism at the rhrheht— sensation journalism at the moment. there's many agendas moment. there's so many agendas at why.— moment. there's so many agendas at why. ant— moment. there's so many agendas at way. the h— moment. there's so many agendas at play. and if actually things eewtt— at play. and if actually things eewtt he— at play. and if actually things could be trusted.— at play. and if actually things could be trusted. there you go. here— could be trusted. there you go. here-et— could be trusted. there you go. here-rt thet— could be trusted. there you go. have-at that pick- could be trusted. there you go. have at that pick what's have a look at that pick what's reteweht—tt- have a look at that pick what's relevant—it in- have a look at that pick what's relevant—it in a. relevant and deal with it in a preteeetehet— relevant and deal with it in a professional manner. then fair enough.— professional manner. then fair enough-thht— professional manner. then fair enough. think we're enough. but i think what we're going— enough. but i think what we're gehg te— enough. but i think what we're gehg te eee— enough. but i think what we're gehg te te— enough. but i think what we're going to see is this ridiculousness of escalation of oh ridiculousness of escalation of eh—whet- ridiculousness of escalation of oh_whatlsaidi ridiculousness of escalation of. oh _what.said to oh my god, look what he said to hemhte— oh my god, look what he said to dominic cummings. oh, my god, teet— dominic cummings. oh, my god, toot-whet— dominic cummings. oh, my god, teetlwhet he— dominic cummings. oh, my god, look what he called these look at what he called these peepte— look at what he called these peepte-heet- look at what he called these peepte-heet ht- look at what he called these peepte-heet ttlt| people. i mean, pack it in. i wewtt— people. i mean, pack it in. i wewtt tetw— people. i mean, pack it in. i would defy-get. people. i mean, pack it in. i. would defy-get your would defy anyone to get your rrhetewhh— would defy anyone to get your rrhetewpp ewt. — would defy anyone to get your whatsapp out. let me scrutinise would defy anyone to get your whatssinglert. let me scrutinise would defy anyone to get your whatssingle incht me scrutinise would defy anyone to get your whatssingle inch of1e scrutinise would defy anyone to get your whatssingle inch of it scrutinise would defy anyone to get your whatssingle inch of it and tinise every single inch of it and honey— every single inch of it and anoney wttt— every single inch of it and anyone will find something wrong wtth— anyone will find something wrong wtth whet— anyone will find something wrong with what anyone's_ anyone will find something wrong with what anyone's saying or doing-— with what anyone's saying or tethg. thet— with what anyone's saying or doing. final word. go. i think there— doing. final word. go. i think there re—

doing. final word. go. i think there are two— doing. final word. go. i think there are two separate points here.— there are two separate points here. — there are two separate points here. one— there are two separate points here. one te— there are two separate points here. one is when- there are two separate points here. qt; s here. one is when those whatsapps are handed over to the inquiry inevitably are inquiry as inevitably they are going there needs to not going to be there needs to not be leak. chair of the be a leak. the chair of the inquiry, lady hallett, made a very specific going very specific definitely going to though she made a to be a leak, though she made a very specific point today about the terms reference what the terms of reference and what she do. one of the she is tasked to do. one of the things is tasked to things she is tasked to understand is were ministers, did have ministers did they have that? ministers have ball about have their eye on the ball about the were they the pandemic or were they preoccupied other issues ? preoccupied with other issues? if whatsapps if boris johnson's whatsapps are full my god, there's full of, oh my god, there's a it's about the wallpaper. it's all about the wallpaper. oh, god, i need to arrange £1 oh, my god, i need to arrange £1 million loan from five other people. i haven't got any money. christ, bail me out and christ, someone bail me out and there's whatsapp thousand there's one whatsapp thousand about pandemic that is about the pandemic that is legitimate . as evidenced in legitimate. as evidenced in inquiry to say he didn't have his eye on the ball. that's what she's trying to understand. and, well, you're a trusting t— and, well, you're a trusting t thet— and, well, you're a trusting man. i just don't wash with me. i man. i just don't wash with me. t ththt— man. i just don't wash with me. tththt there— man. i just don't wash with me. i think there are— man. i just don't wash with me. i think there are way too many teete. — i think there are way too many teete. t— i think there are way too many leaks. i think— i think there are way too many leaks. i think there's a huge agenda— leaks. i think there's a huge egehtelhtew— leaks. i think there's a huge egehtelhtew. t— leaks. i think there's a huge agenda play. i think agenda at play. i think are a lot agenda at play. i think are a tetlheehte— agenda at play. i think are a lot.people.not- agenda at play. i think are a lot people not want to see lot of people do not want to see here— lot of people do not want to see herte tehheeh— lot of people do not want to see boris johnson return to rottwe— boris johnson return to politics. they're probably a ttttte— politics. they're probably a little threatened him, little bit threatened by him,

earthy.— little bit threatened by him, actually-_hei actually. they think that he eewtt — actually. they think that he could galvanise— actually. they think that he could galvanise rally support orowht— could galvanise rally support orowht-ot- could galvanise rally supportj around-at-next around the tories at the next generat— around the tories at the next general election.— around the tories at the next general election. maybe i'm just being— general election. maybe i'm just hetholhtt— general election. maybe i'm just beinglbit-cvnic-- general election. maybe i'm just being bit cynic. tell being a bit of a cynic. you tell t-tt— being a bit of a cynic. you tell t-tthow— being a bit of a cynic. you tell me. i'll-you with- being a bit of a cynic. you tell me. i'll-you with a- being a bit of a cynic. you tell me. i'll you with a judge at me. i'll let you with a judge at home.— me. i'll let you with a judge at home. wet-e— me. i'll let you with a judge at home. let's talk,— me. i'll let you with a judge at home. let's talk, though, shall wee—rt- home. let's talk, though, shall wee—ht vou- home. let's talk, though, shall. wee—ht you-mew we? union because if you ask me, i we? union because if you ask me, t-tot— we? union because if you ask me, t-tot ot— we? union because if you ask me, t-tot ot theee— we? union because if you ask me, i-lot of these people- i think a lot of these people getttho— i think a lot of these people are getting-bit- i think a lot of these people are getting bit too big are getting a little bit too big for are getting a little bit too big tor thetr— are getting a little bit too big for their boots,— are getting a little bit too big for their boots, too far ahead of themselves. _ for their boots, too far ahead of themselves. they seem to be together— of themselves. they seem to be torgettthg-hrtrhow- of themselves. they seem to be forgetting primary job forgetting their primary job in tote— forgetting their primary job in toteleoeee. — forgetting their primary job in lots lcases. -will- forgetting their primary job in lots cases. will you will lots of cases. you will you will have — lots of cases. you will you will have seen the— lots of cases. you will you will have seen the peaks union. that-e— have seen the peaks union. that's—basicallyl that's the one. it basically hoote— that's the one. it basically looks-servants. that's the one. it basically looks-servants ,| that's the one. it basically. looks-servants , as looks after civil servants, as they— looks after civil servants, as thew-eowhg— looks after civil servants, as thew-eowho ,- looks after civil servants, as they saying , pretty much they were saying, pretty much they were saying, pretty much the whore— they were saying, pretty much the whole civil— they were saying, pretty much the whole civil service is effectively _ the whole civil service is effectively institution , highly effectively institution, highly heret— effectively institution, highly roetet. t— effectively institution, highly roetet. t got— effectively institution, highly racist. i got to— effectively institution, highly racist. i got to say , when racist. i got to say, when i hear— racist. i got to say, when i hear that— racist. i got to say, when i hear that sentence, i do confess. it— hear that sentence, i do confess. it does just kind of mote— confess. it does just kind of mote rhy— confess. it does just kind of mote my eye— confess. it does just kind of make my eyes roll. not that i'm whtermththg— make my eyes roll. not that i'm undermining racism, not that i ththt— undermining racism, not that i ththt thet— undermining racism, not that i think that racism _ undermining racism, not that i think that racism is okay heeowee— think that racism is okay heeowee t— think that racism is okay because i don't. but this whole hhroee— because i don't. but this whole hhroee ot— because i don't. but this whole phroee ot th— because i don't. but this whole phrase of in institutionally roetet— phrase of in institutionally roetet ,— phrase of in institutionally roetet , t— phrase of in institutionally roetet , t eow— phrase of in institutionally racist , i say, oh, come on now. racist, i say, oh, come on now. rte— racist, i say, oh, come on now. he thet— racist, i say, oh, come on now. we wet the— racist, i say, oh, come on now. it's just like the— racist, i say, oh, come on now. it's just like the latest ohroee. — it's just like the latest ohroee. rt— it's just like the latest phrase. if you ask me to get oeohte— phrase. if you ask me to get people going— phrase. if you ask me to get people going anyway, not only howe— people going anyway, not only have they— people going anyway, not only have they been— people going anyway, not only have they been saying that there-e— have they been saying that there-e how— have they been saying that there's now conversations that oeohte— there's now conversations that oeohte-home- there's now conversations that people home office could people in the home office could go oh— people in the home office could go oh etrtte— people in the home office could goon etrtte rt— people in the home office could go on strike if they're asked to thoterheht— go on strike if they're asked to implement government's implement the government's twohto— rwanda scheme. pretty

disgraceful. _ disgraceful. again, if you ask rheltoeeh-t— disgraceful. again, if you ask me, ldoesn't just- disgraceful. again, if you ask me, doesn't just stop there. me, it doesn't just stop there. vow-we— me, it doesn't just stop there. vow-we-other— me, it doesn't just stop there. you've other unions floating you've had other unions floating theee— you've had other unions floating these—basically. these motions now. basically twthg—hrtttehl trying to influence british toreteh— trying to influence british foreign policy.— trying to influence british foreign policy. for example, earthe— foreign policy. for example, eottthe oh— foreign policy. for example, calling on the— foreign policy. for example, calling on the government to etoh— calling on the government to etoo arming— calling on the government to stop arming ukraine. i laugh heeowee— stop arming ukraine. i laugh heeowee t— stop arming ukraine. i laugh because i just— stop arming ukraine. i laugh because i just think that people are because i just think that people thet— because i just think that people twet gettthg— because i just think that people are just getting a— because i just think that people are just getting a little bit oheot— are just getting a little bit oheot ot— are just getting a little bit ahead of themselves, represent your— ahead of themselves, represent your herhereh— ahead of themselves, represent your members best interests, get them —eet- your members best interests, get them —oet them- your members best interests, get them _get them thej them the best pay, get them the teet— them the best pay, get them the beet—ort— them the best pay, get them the heet—oht-thel best conditions and that's the end— best conditions and that's the ehtltt. — best conditions and that's the end-it. that's— best conditions and that's the end-it. that's what- best conditions and that's the end it. c." end of it. that's what unions are supposed to do. they're supposed to represent their workers. then going into politics having politics and actually having this sixth form this kind of sixth form political society type debate is like, well, it's very entertaining for them in their conferences and they suppose they can feel like, oh, they're more intelligent than they are. but actually is not what but actually this is not what the union should doing. so the union should be doing. so i mean, this motion to say the civil service is institute racist, it's absolute nonsense . racist, it's absolute nonsense. i mean, i would say it's more institutional woke than institutionally racist . i mean, institutionally racist. i mean, they're bending over to support black lives matter and lgbt pride month and all of these kind of things. so, you know,

you've got another union actually saying we're going to try to go on strike and not out implement the government's rwanda policy. now, i don't agree with that policy, but the civil service is supposed to be apolitical and to do what they're told. so you've got unions here actually going way, way beyond their remit, and they need to just get back in their box and do what they're supposed to do. that's fair enough. there— to do. that's fair enough. there are— to do. that's fair enough. there are three different examples here for the pccs. they are representing their members. examples here for the pccs. they are idatasenting their members. examples here for the pccs. they are idata that1g their members. examples here for the pccs. they are idata that the 1eir members. examples here for the pccs. they are idata that the pccsnembers. examples here for the pccs. they are idata that the pccs jemsek;. the data that the pccs jemsek has been general secretary has been talking about says that if you are black you are half as likely to be promoted. now, i haven't seen anyone quibble with that data and either there is some aspect of racism and it's not that there's racists in every nook and cranny, but there is. that has to be one of the avenues of inquiry. so if you're black, why aren't you being promoted? is because the alternative is that one would say minority say that people of minority communities enough. communities aren't good enough. so there the pccs is so i think there the pccs is representing members the

representing its members in the home office . actually agree home office. i actually agree with don't think that with david. i don't think that civil should go on civil servants should go on strike just because they disagree with the policy as long as it's legal under british law. and i don't i despise and it is. and i don't i despise that policy. but as long as it's legal under british law, they should fulfil they should fulfil their jobs. and should fulfil they should fulfil theirjobs. and as should fulfil they should fulfil their jobs. and as far as the that's not what literally that's not what they literally saying the opposite. what they're is yeah, saying the opposite. what. they're-is yeah,ithink they're saying is yeah, i think they-re— they're saying is yeah, i think there-heat.- they're saying is yeah, i think they're-yeah. i- they're saying is yeah, i think they're-yeah. i thinkl they're wrong. yeah. i think they're wrong. yeah. i think they're wrong. yeah. i think they're wrong do they're totally wrong to do that. i would fire that. but you see i would fire them.— that. but you see i would fire therh. t— that. but you see i would fire them. i would— that. but you see i would fire them. i would sit— but you see i would fire them. i would sit there and say, rteht— them. i would sit there and say, rtght, otoy— them. i would sit there and say, rtght, otoy, your— them. i would sit there and say, right, okay, your job is this is pottey. — right, okay, your job is this is our policy. your— right, okay, your job is this is our policy. your job is to enact thet— our policy. your job is to enact that-tre— our policy. your job is to enact that-tre-yeoh- our policy. your job is to enact that-we-yeah, buti that policy. we oh, yeah, but thtee— that policy. we oh, yeah, but t— that policy. we oh, yeah, but t ooh-t— that policy. we oh, yeah, but miss, i don't want to do that. vou— miss, i don't want to do that. you tor-t— miss, i don't want to do that. you don't want— miss, i don't want to do that. you don't want to— miss, i don't want to do that. you don't want to do job. you don't want to do your job. no powerh— you don't want to do your job. no problem-90- you don't want to do your job. no problem. go and i'll no problem. out you go and i'll get eorheohe— no problem. out you go and i'll get someone else— no problem. out you go and i'll get someone else in that does. i get someone else in that does. t ththt— get someone else in that does. t ththt th— get someone else in that does. i think i'm not.— get someone else in that does. i think i'm not. i'm— get someone else in that does. i think i'm not. i'm not- i think i'm not. i'm not familiar with what sort of familiar with what the sort of disciplinary are, but familiar with what the sort of dcertainlyy are, but familiar with what the sort of dcertainly don't are, but familiar with what the sort of dcertainly don't think are, but familiar with what the sort of dcertainly don't think going jt familiar with what the sort of dcertainly don't think going on i certainly don't think going on strike because you disagree with a the right approach strike because you disagree with a long the right approach strike because you disagree with a long as the right approach strike because you disagree with a long as the that: approach strike because you disagree with a long as the that policyach strike because you disagree with a long as the that policy is1 as long as it's that policy is legal. the last example is legal. and the last example is with the university lecturers union that shouldn't with the university lecturers unisupporting hat shouldn't with the university lecturers unisupporting hat war;houldn't with the university lecturers unisupporting hat war intuldn't be supporting the war in ukraine, which is completely bananas. they're in middle bananas. they're in the middle of very big strike, huge

of a very big strike, huge amounts disruption amounts of disruption to students, of students, huge amounts of disruption across universities. students, huge amounts of dhavetion across universities. students, huge amounts of dhave no across universities. students, huge amounts of dhave no idea ss universities. students, huge amounts of dhave no idea whativersities. students, huge amounts of dhave no idea what they're s. i have no idea what they're doing, talking about ukraine in that way. and the general secretary of that union hasn't done herself any favours by saying she broadly she supports all of the motions she issued some equivocal statement. so of those three cases, the pccs is representing its members because some of its members are being discriminated against and aren't being paid. and no one said that thatis being paid. and no one said that that is in the data is incorrect. the other two cases, they-re— incorrect. the other two cases, they-re hot— incorrect. the other two cases, they're not getting— ii the other two cases, they're not getting paid well, wett— they're not getting paid well, wett-they-re- they're not getting paid well, well,-they're not- they're not getting paid well, well, they're not getting well, sorry, they're not getting hrorhotet— well, sorry, they're not getting oromotet—hot- well, sorry, they're not getting- promoted-not advancing. promoted. they're not advancing. why you. well, not you, but why are you. well, not you, but why— why are you. well, not you, but why-conclusion- why are you. well, not you, but why-conclusion then- why is the conclusion then reoehet— why is the conclusion then reached that. _ why is the conclusion then reached that. look, why is the conclusion then reached that. _look, i reached that. right. look, so i ooh-t— reached that. right. look, so i toh-t-t-we— reached that. right. look, so i toh-t-t-we got- reached that. right. look, so i don't-i've got five. don't know. so i've got five herhereh— don't know. so i've got five members-staff,- don't know. so i've got five members staff, two black, two members of staff, two black, two whtte— members of staff, two black, two wggg, the — members of staff, two black, two white, the white— members of staff, two black, two white, the white ones have been promoted.— white, the white ones have been promoted. therefore promoted. so therefore i eohetute— promoted. so therefore i conclude that- promoted. so therefore i conclude that this is institutionally , it's the institutionally, it's the conclusion _ institutionally, it's the conclusion that i disagree with. it's conclusion that i disagree with. we not— conclusion that i disagree with. we not rte— conclusion that i disagree with. it's not it's not— conclusion that i disagree with. it's not it's not just— conclusion that i disagree with. it's not it's not just ones- conclusion that i disagree with. it's not it's not just ones and twos. it's across. it's a survey, a across the civil service. so it's not anecdotal ulez. but why the conclusion ? ulez. but why the conclusion? heeouee vee— ulez. but why the conclusion? because. yes. okay.— ulez. but why the conclusion? because. yes. okay. i- but why the conclusion? because. yes. okay. i would ehore— because. yes. okay. i would ehore ht—

because. yes. okay. i would share if someone- because. yes. okay. i would share if someone said to me, thght— share if someone said to me, rttght, otoy— share if someone said to me, rttght, otoy, ott— share if someone said to me, right, okay, all the black oeoote— right, okay, all the black people th— right, okay, all the black people in this— right, okay, all the black people in this company, they're not people in this company, they're hot gettthg— people in this company, they're not getting promoted and all the whtte— not getting promoted and all the whtte oeopte— not getting promoted and all the white people are,— not getting promoted and all the white people are, would go, white people are, i would go, otoy— white people are, i would go, okay-hert— white people are, i would go, okay,-bell ring.- white people are, i would go, okay, bell ring. that is okay, alarm bell ring. that is eoheerhthg— okay, alarm bell ring. that is concerning._it.| concerning. let's dig into it. so concerning. let's dig into it. so—syrhhtorhl concerning. let's dig into it.| so—syrhotorh ot concerning. let's dig into it.. so—syrhotorh or e so for me, fine. symptom of a hrohterh— so for me, fine. symptom of a orohterh tet-e— so for me, fine. symptom of a problem, let's dig— so for me, fine. symptom of a problem, let's dig into it is the— problem, let's dig into it is the conclusion— problem, let's dig into it is the conclusion then people problem, let's dig into it is the goinngion then people problem, let's dig into it is the going definitely people problem, let's dig into it is the going definitely racist?3ople are going definitely racist? voue— are going definitely racist? you're definitely definite racism - that's - you're definitely definite racism that's the bit that racism here. that's the bit that twe— racism here. that's the bit that t-we-hrohterh. - racism here. that's the bit that i've-problem. i- racism here. that's the bit that i've problem. i've got a problem. i think you would on the term would pick it up on the term institutional racism. i am picking on that i am picking on that term. institutional racism. i am- picking.on that term. but picking up on that term. but what— picking up on that term. but what you— picking up on that term. but what you just— picking up on that term. but what you just said- picking up on that term. but what you just said was that if that data is right, then there's probably then that the potential presence of racism needs be presence of racism needs to be investigated. i think that's the substantive one can call substantive point. one can call it racism. one can it institutional racism. one can call i didn't say call it whatever. i didn't say racism needs to be investigated. no, what needs to be investigated- no, what needs to be investigated is what is going on. investigated is what is goingi on._situation on. so if that is the situation hottoh— on. so if that is the situation hottoh ont— on. so if that is the situation nation and this— on. so if that is the situation nation and this is— on. so if that is the situation nation and this is one of the ththge— nation and this is one of the ththge thet— nation and this is one of the ththge that t— nation and this is one of the things that i get— nation and this is one of the things that i get angry about when— things that i get angry about when oeoote— things that i get angry about when people say about gender pay gap,— when people say about gender pay goo—they-tt- gap, what they'll do is they'll toot— gap, what they'll do is they'll look organisation, they'll look at an organisation, they'll say,— look at an organisation, they'll eoy, thght— look at an organisation, they'll say, right vom— look at an organisation, they'll say, right, you've got guys, say, right, you've got ten guys, ten-the— say, right, you've got ten guys, teh-the guy- say, right, you've got ten guys, teh-the guy gete- say, right, you've got ten guys, ten the guy gets paid ten girls, and the guy gets paid more-gru— ten girls, and the guy gets paid more-gtrt. eo- ten girls, and the guy gets paid more girl. so therefore more then the girl. so therefore there-e— more then the girl. so therefore there-e-huge— more then the girl. so therefore there's huge gender pay there's this huge gender pay gap-— there's this huge gender pay gap-prioritised- there's this huge gender pay gap. prioritised more gap. men are prioritised more then— gap. men are prioritised more then-hut— gap. men are prioritised more. than-but-ridiculous than women, but it's ridiculous heeouee—ohyl because you're not taking any note— because you're not taking any hotteelrtght,— because you're not taking any notice right, who's doing

notice of right, who's doing whteh— notice of right, who's doing whteh job?— notice of right, who's doing which job? these which job? who are these individuals?— which job? who are these individuals? they individuals? yeah what are they tothge— individuals? yeah what are they tothge-theye- individuals? yeah what are they doing? they? what doing? who are they? what is going— doing? who are they? what is gothg-t-rh— doing? who are they? what is gothg-t-m-t- doing? who are they? what is. going-i'm-i disagree going on.7 so i'm not i disagree with— going on.7 so i'm not i disagree with you,— going on.7 so i'm not i disagree with you, but— going on.7 so i'm not i disagree with you, but but— going on.7 so i'm not i disagree with you, but but i— going on.7 so i'm not i disagree with you, but but i think the data— with you, but but i think the tttt tttt— with you, but but i think the data that the— with you, but but i think the data that the pieces is talking about— data that the pieces is talking about normalised. about is normalised. it's not comptttng— about is normalised. it's not comparing admin assistant to about is normalised. it's not c(permanent admin assistant to about is normalised. it's not c(permanent secretary. ;sistant to about is normalised. it's not c(permanent secretary. it's ant to about is normalised. it's not c(permanent secretary. it's like 10 a permanent secretary. it's like for and survey for like and it's a survey across the civil service. now, i haven't got that data to hand, but no one has quibbled with this that's this essential data that's driving this driving the point. this this story out today. i story has come out today. i can't actually find the- can't actually find the data, so i can't actually find the data, so t-tntw— can't actually find the data, so t-tnow the— can't actually find the data, so i know the sample size of i don't know the sample size of the tatt— i don't know the sample size of the tatt-tt-s- i don't know the sample size of the data,-it's large- the data, whether it's large enough— the data, whether it's large enough-viable- the data, whether it's large enough viable or whether enough to be viable or whether it's enough to be viable or whether tt-s tutt— enough to be viable or whether tt-s just a— enough to be viable or whether tt-s just a very— enough to be viable or whether it's just a very small sample sue.— it's just a very small sample ._ it's just a very small sample . mean— it's just a very small sample size. i mean, the— it's just a very small sample size. i mean, the only thing i saw-ts— size. i mean, the only thing i saw-tt-s over— size. i mean, the only thing i saw-it's over a- size. i mean, the only thing i saw-it's over a 14- size. i mean, the only thing i saw it's over a 14 month saw that it's over a 14 month tenet,— saw that it's over a 14 month pettttltt— saw that it's over a 14 month period,-it doesn't- saw that it's over a 14 month period, it doesn't you period, but it doesn't tell you what— period, but it doesn't tell you what positions— period, but it doesn't tell you what positions going what positions they're going for, what positions they're going tor, wtttt— what positions they're going for, which levels of promotion. what positions they're going for, there levels of promotion. what positions they're going for, there might of promotion. what positions they're going for, there might of prom(very but there might be other very tetstnttte— but there might be other very reasonable reasons for this. i tt— reasonable reasons for this. i mean, it might— reasonable reasons for this. i mean, it might be that they're toottng— mean, it might be that they're toottng at— mean, it might be that they're looking at the— mean, it might be that they're looking at the highest levels of ptemtttttt— looking at the highest levels of promotion, and— looking at the highest levels of promotion, and it— looking at the highest levels of promotion, and it might be that there— promotion, and it might be that there-more— promotion, and it might be that there more people from one there are more people from one ettntt— there are more people from one ettntc group— there are more people from one ethnic group coming out of untvetstty— ethnic group coming out of university 80s— ethnic group coming out of university 80s and are more tutttttet— university 80s and are more qualified-into- university 80s and are more qualified into the very qualified to go into the very ttgtest— qualified to go into the very highest positions of the civil serm— highest positions of the civil service,-another. highest positions of the civil service, another issue. service, which is another issue. it service, which is another issue. tt-tust— service, which is another issue. tt-tust stmpty- service, which is another issue. it-just simply due. service, which is another issue. it just simply due to it might be just simply due to the educational— it might be just simply due to the educational background of peoptt— the educational background of peopte, ._ the educational background of peopte, t ton-t— the educational background of

people, i don't know. but this is people, i don't know. but this ts stmstttng— people, i don't know. but this is something that needs to be tostet— is something that needs to be looked-perhaps- is something that needs to be looked perhaps more in more looked into perhaps more in more tstttt— looked into perhaps more in more detail because— looked into perhaps more in more detail because we've just got the— detail because we've just got the headline _ detail because we've just got the headline and we need to dig tnts— the headline and we need to dig tnts ttts— the headline and we need to dig into this-actually— the headline and we need to dig into this actually see what's into this to actually see what's going— into this to actually see what's going-h...- into this to actually see what's gttng-tstt att- into this to actually see what's going-hear all the. going on. i just hear all the true,— going on. i just hear all the ttmslyou— going on. i just hear all the time,.you know,- going on. i just hear all the time, you know, people you time, or you know, people you test— time, or you know, people you nest-chest— time, or you know, people you need check unconscious need to check your unconscious ttts— need to check your unconscious tttslwtttsvst— need to check your unconscious bias lwhatever the- need to check your unconscious bias whatever the latest bias or whatever the latest tstmtnstsgy— bias or whatever the latest terminology but everyone terminology is, but yet everyone seems-absolutely- terminology is, but yet everyone seems absolutely fine with seems to be absolutely fine with pstpts— seems to be absolutely fine with pstpts-t— seems to be absolutely fine with psspts-t tatt— seems to be absolutely fine with people-a data set- seems to be absolutely fine with people a data set and people taking a data set and apptststtng— people taking a data set and approaching that data set with unconscious bias— approaching that data set with unconscious bias or a predetermined outcome . ' t: predetermined outcome. and tnststt— predetermined outcome. and tnststt st— predetermined outcome. and instead of looking— predetermined outcome. and instead of looking at it going genuinely, what is going on here, they will look at that and go, i think it's racist i go, i think it's racist and i need try and prove now that need to try and prove now that this racist. again, that's this is racist. again, that's that-s— this is racist. again, that's tttt-s patt— this is racist. again, that's that-s part st— this is racist. again, that's that's part of the- ”ec. again, that's that's part of the point ”e�*tf again, that's that's part of the point here, wttst— that's part of the point here, wttst ts— that's part of the point here, wttst ts my— that's part of the point here, which is my understanding is it's which is my understanding is tt-s—sstsl it's a normalised data sets somptttng— it's a normalised data sets comparing like— it's a normalised data sets comparing like with like it's not— comparing like with like it's not-threes— comparing like with like it's not-threes and- comparing like with like it's not threes and fours it's a not just threes and fours it's a survey—att- not just threes and fours it's a survey civil service survey across the civil service ant— survey across the civil service ant-potentttt- survey across the civil service. and-potential-why and of the potential reasons why someone from a— and of the potential reasons why someone from a minority sommuntty— someone from a minority sommuntty ts— someone from a minority community is half as likely to be community is half as likely to ts-.— community is half as likely to ts-. when- community is half as likely to ts-. when you- community is half as likely to be . when you control be promoted. when you control for be promoted. when you control tst att— be promoted. when you control tor at the— be promoted. when you control for all the other— be promoted. when you control for all the other variables racism has— for all the other variables racism has to _ for all the other variables racism has to be. yeah, we live in racism has to be. yeah, we live tn t— racism has to be. yeah, we live tn a stststy— racism has to be. yeah, we live in a society where— racism has to be. yeah, we live in a society where there is tt— in a society where there is racism. it would- in a society where there is racism. it would be mad to not tttnt— racism. it would be mad to not tttnt ts— racism. it would be mad to not tttnt to just— racism. it would be mad to not think to just completely ttsstunt— think to just completely discount it.— think to just completely discount it. just this week we tat— discount it. just this week we tat-post,— discount it. just this week we

had-post,-know,- discount it. just this week we had post, know, evidence had the post, you know, evidence trom— had the post, you know, evidence tttm-ttttss— had the post, you know, evidence from _office within- had the post, you know, evidence from office within the from the post office within the sows— from the post office within the sows when — from the post office within the 2010s when they— from the post office within the 2010s when they were investigating the terrible tortstn— investigating the terrible horizon scandal. were horizon scandal. they were tstttng— horizon scandal. they were telling investigators to telling their investigators to sttsstty— telling their investigators to classify people,— telling their investigators to classify people, according to attest— classify people, according to attest st— classify people, according to chinese or japanese or chinese or japanese type or tawe-— chinese or japanese type or type. t— chinese or japanese type or type. t ton-t— chinese or japanese type or type. i don't think the board of the post— type. i don't think the board of the post office— type. i don't think the board of the post office were ever tttnsmsn— the post office were ever klansmen or— the post office were ever klansmen or members of the tattsntt— klansmen or members of the national front,— klansmen or members of the national front, but that stmstttng— national front, but that something like that could happen in-institution,_ something like that could happen in-institution, says- something like that could happen in institution, says to me in that institution, says to me it in that institution, says to me tt san— in that institution, says to me tt happen— in that institution, says to me it can happen in— in that institution, says to me it can happen in lots of different— it can happen in lots of different places. is different places. racism is a pstsntttt— different places. racism is a potential reason _ different places. racism is a potential reason . ”ti: potential reason. so what you're saying they were saying was when they were collecting the data and saying, is that japanese or is that person japanese or whatever, saying that whatever, you're saying that that was wrong? no, they weren't stytng. — that was wrong? no, they weren't stytng. ate — that was wrong? no, they weren't stytng. are they— mfg? no, they weren't saying. are they japanese? they tn the— saying. are they japanese? they were in the-in— saying. are they japanese? they were in the-in the- saying. are they japanese? they were in the in the forms were in the in the in the forms ,-instructions_ were in the in the in the forms ,-instructions to- were in the in the in the forms , instructions to the , in the instructions to the investigators— , in the instructions to the investigators ._ , in the instructions to the investigators . they had the investigators. they had the terms— investigators. they had the terms-slash - investigators. they had the terms slash japanese terms chinese slash japanese ttwe— terms chinese slash japanese type ant— terms chinese slash japanese type and type-_ terms chinese slash japanese type and type. it's just unbelievable- type and type. it's just unbelievable what they should do is unbelievable what they should do ts just— unbelievable what they should do ts just promote— unbelievable what they should do is just promote the— unbelievable what they should do is just promote the best person for is just promote the best person tst tus— is just promote the best person tor the jet — is just promote the best person for the job. and— is just promote the best person for the job. and i'm- is just promote the best person for the job. ' t: ”ti: is just promote the best person for the job. ' t: ”t5.2; for the job. and i'm sure that that's what they're doing. according to above active criteria. and it might just so happen you get certain happen that you get certain racial groups getting promoted more than others. but i'm sure that they look at people on an individual basis. acas and

they're not actually racist. i mean , this is a union. unions mean, this is a union. unions are well known for actually coming throwing these coming and throwing up these accusations of institutional racism, sexism and homophobia, transphobia and everything. so anyway , you can be the judge of anyway, you can be the judge of it in case you want in case you're sitting there thinking, how relevant is this? how many people how relevant is this? how many psspts us— how relevant is this? how many psspts tu— how relevant is this? how many people are in unions— 57 how many people are in unions these days? apparenttu— people are in unions these days? apparently, get— people are in unions these days? apparently, get this, 22.3% of uk apparently, get this, 22.3% of ut smutsysss— apparently, get this, 22.3% of uk employees are members of tute— uk employees are members of ttuts unjus— uk employees are members of trade unions ._ uk employees are members of trade unions. that number does to— trade unions. that number does to te— trade unions. that number does to be tu— trade unions. that number does seem to be in decline at the mmemt— seem to be in decline at the mmemt ate— seem to be in decline at the moment. are you- seem to be in decline at the moment. are you a union member mmem— moment. are you a union member when you— moment. are you a union member when you meet— moment. are you a union member when you hear about— moment. are you a union member when you hear about the way that they-te— when you hear about the way that tmey-te spemtme— when you hear about the way that they're spending their time? i tom-t— they're spending their time? i tem-t mew.— they're spending their time? i don't know, canvas motions about utmme— don't know, canvas motions about utmme support— don't know, canvas motions about ukraine support and all the rest of ukraine support and all the rest et tt— ukraine support and all the rest et tt. oe— ukraine support and all the rest et t. to you— ukraine support and all the rest of it. do you sit— ukraine support and all the rest of it. do you sit there and go, yest— of it. do you sit there and go, yes-mmet— of it. do you sit there and go, yes-tutu t— of it. do you sit there and go, yes-tutu t pey- of it. do you sit there and go,i yes,-what i pay-subs yes, this is what i pay my subs for yes, this is what i pay my subs tee et— yes, this is what i pay my subs tee et te— yes, this is what i pay my subs tee or to you— yes, this is what i pay my subs for or do you sit— yes, this is what i pay my subs for or do you sit there going, mmet— for or do you sit there going, meet me— for or do you sit there going, what you— for or do you sit there going, what are you doing? i don't pay you— what are you doing? i don't pay youlamount— what are you doing? i don't pay youlamount-month- what are you doing? i don't pay you amount month for you you x amount per month for you to you x amount per month for you te-ttte— you x amount per month for you te-ttte met.- you x amount per month for you to-like that. let- you x amount per month for you to-like that. let me. to do things like that. let me mew— to do things like that. let me know your— to do things like that. let me know your-you- to do things like that. let me know your you guys to do things like that. let me. know your-you guys at know your thoughts. you guys at meme— know your thoughts. you guys at meme-mue— know your thoughts. you guys at home-have the— know your thoughts. you guys at home have the final say on home can have the final say on it home can have the final say on tt-tte— home can have the final say on tt-tte meet.— home can have the final say on it the break. assisted it after the break. assisted dying- — it after the break. assisted tymg. mou— it after the break. assisted tune-you m- it after the break. assisted dying. you in favour of this dying. are you in favour of this or dying. are you in favour of this et-apputemtty— dying. are you in favour of this or-apparently it's- or not? apparently it's unchristian.- or not? apparently it's unchristian. now says a former utetttsmep— unchristian. now says a former utetttstep te— unchristian. now says a former archbishop to let— unchristian. now says a former archbishop to let people suffer. he archbishop to let people suffer. ue mums— archbishop to let people suffer. he wants a— archbishop to let people suffer. he wants a bigger conversation

on me— he wants a bigger conversation on the matter— he wants a bigger conversation on the matter ._ he wants a bigger conversation on the matter . would you support on the matter. would you support it on the matter. would you support tt et— on the matter. would you support tt et .—

wet tyres at the right time, reallv- — wet tyres at the right time, reallv- se — wet tyres at the right time, really. so earlier on gb news tatte— really. so earlier on gb news mete .— really. so earlier on gb news mete . — really. so earlier on gb news radio . hello— really. so earlier on gb news radio . hello all.— really. so earlier on gb news radio . hello all. i'm- really. so earlier on gb news radio . radio. hello all. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, david caton is the leader of the heritage party and athol hatwell is the editor of labour uncut. if you've just tuned in, you've missed out everyone. we've just been getting into harriet harman, boris and also unions as well. you'll have to watch it on catch up if you missed us, but i'll have some of your responses to before the of the to that before the end of the programme. the former programme. now the former archbishop canterbury, programme. now the former archbimore canterbury, programme. now the former archbi more conversation, programme. now the former archbi more conversation and wants more conversation and debate on assisted dying, saying it is profoundly christian to want to alleviate somebody, suffer suffering. the church of england officially opposes assisted dying, which of course we will all know remains illegal under uk law . i have to say, under uk law. i have to say, just confession time . i

just confession time. i absolutely support assisted dying. i think it is beyond cruel that we allow people to suffer against their wishes. you wouldn't do that to an animal. you wouldn't do it to a dog. but yet we do it to people against their will. and i think it's wrong. wrong. i agree. i think puttteututty— wrong. wrong. i agree. i think puttteututty us— wrong. wrong. i agree. i think particularly as a— g g i agree. ithink particularly as a function of me— particularly as a function of the advances— particularly as a function of the advances in— particularly as a function of the advances in medicine, where metteme— the advances in medicine, where metteme sum— the advances in medicine, where medicine can prolong life but not necessary— medicine can prolong life but not necessary quality of life mt— not necessary quality of life mt uttere— not necessary quality of life and where people have chronic eemttttems— and where people have chronic conditions, terminal illnesses . conditions, terminal illnesses. tms— conditions, terminal illnesses. tms ts— conditions, terminal illnesses. tms ts um— conditions, terminal illnesses. this is an increasingly a choice mum— this is an increasingly a choice mum peepte— this is an increasingly a choice many people will— this is an increasingly a choice many people will face. i've got memes— many people will face. i've got tttemts ute— many people will face. i've got friends who helped a friend go to switzerland— friends who helped a friend go to switzerland and pass in the mut— to switzerland and pass in the manner that she— to switzerland and pass in the manner that she chose. she was utsetutety— manner that she chose. she was absolutely crystal— manner that she chose. she was absolutely crystal clear of when mt— absolutely crystal clear of when mt mew— absolutely crystal clear of when mt mew sme— absolutely crystal clear of when and how she wanted to do it. it ttteeut— and how she wanted to do it. it was illegal and. _ and how she wanted to do it. it was illegal and. and they met — was illegal and. and they risked. they— was illegal and. and they risked. they risked breaking the law risked. they risked breaking the tuu te— risked. they risked breaking the tum to support— risked. they risked breaking the law to support her wishes. but tms— law to support her wishes. but tms ts— law to support her wishes. but this is something— law to support her wishes. but this is something these are these— this is something these are these ute— this is something these are these are choices that lots of us going— these are choices that lots of us gemg te— these are choices that lots of us are going to face more and more as medicine— us are going to face more and more as medicine enables longer ttte. — more as medicine enables longer ttte. eut— more as medicine enables longer life. but doesn't— more as medicine enables longer life. but doesn't necessarily support— life. but doesn't necessarily suppott puuttty— life. but doesn't necessarily support quality of life. �*ft�*t2;cc support quality of life. well, peat.— support quality of life. well, peat. mete-s— support quality of life. well, yeah, there's a— support quality of life. well, yeah, there's a difference between very simply between

living existing thing. yes, living an existing thing. yes, you might be able exist for you might be able to exist for decades if, you decades longer, but if, you know, if you're incapacitated , know, if you're incapacitated, you've got someone, you know, wiping your bits and pieces, your dignity is gone . you don't your dignity is gone. you don't have a quality life and you have a quality of life and you choose not to be here anymore. i firmly believe it should be your choice. i firmly believe it should be your choice . i completely disagree choice. i completely disagree utm— choice. i completely disagree uttm mot— it2t ti.t2; i completely disagree with that argument about osststet— with that argument about assisted dying. i wouldn't call it assisted dying. i wouldn't call tt osststet— assisted dying. i wouldn't call it assisted dying.— assisted dying. i wouldn't call it assisted dying. it's actually ttttme— it assisted dying. it's actually ttttmp peopte— it assisted dying. it's actually ttttmp peopte .— it assisted dying. it's actually killing people . it's euthanasia. killing people. it's euthanasia. amt— killing people. it's euthanasia. amt t-m— killing people. it's euthanasia. amt t-m verv— killing people. it's euthanasia. and i'm very surprised that george— and i'm very surprised that oeotge carey— and i'm very surprised that oeotge cutey ,— and i'm very surprised that george carey , the former george carey, the former otetttstop— george carey, the former archbishop, is- george carey, the former archbishop, is coming at this out— archbishop, is coming at this mt saying— archbishop, is coming at this and saying from _ archbishop, is coming at this and saying from a christian petspeettve— and saying from a christian perspective that he supports osststet— perspective that he supports assisted dying— perspective that he supports assisted dying or mercy killing assisted dying or mercy killing as t— assisted dying or mercy killing os tt ts— assisted dying or mercy killing os tt ts mow.— assisted dying or mercy killing os tt ts t— assisted dying or mercy killing as it is now. i totally agree mot— as it is now. i totally agree that tt-s— as it is now. i totally agree that it's christian to want to eut— that it's christian to want to end suffering— that it's christian to want to end suffering or— that it's christian to want to end suffering or alleviate suffering-— end suffering or alleviate suffering. you— end suffering or alleviate suffering. you don't want to mote— suffering. you don't want to mote peopte— suffering. you don't want to make people suffer. absolutely. but make people suffer. absolutely. out what— make people suffer. absolutely. out what me— make people suffer. absolutely. but what he doesn't mention in mere— but what he doesn't mention in there ts— but what he doesn't mention in there is anything— but what he doesn't mention in there is anything about god, umytmmp— there is anything about god, anything about— there is anything about god, anything about the bible, omytmmp— anything about the bible, anything about the bible, anything about christian otttotoxy— anything about christian orthodoxy and tradition and teoemme— orthodoxy and tradition and teoemmp ,— orthodoxy and tradition and teaching , which completely is teaching, which completely is opomst— teaching, which completely is against killing—

teaching, which completely is against killing murder, which is mmet— against killing murder, which is what tt— against killing murder, which is what tt ts.— against killing murder, which is what it is. and— against killing murder, which is what it is. and you know, that mtptt— what it is. and you know, that meet te— what it is. and you know, that might be hard,— what it is. and you know, that might be hard, harder. c might be hard, harder. is it mutetu— might be hard, harder. is it murder or you're— might be hard, harder. is it murder or you're taking someone's life against you? are you this is talking about- c 2g? 7 are you this is talking about people uto— you this is talking about people who ate— you this is talking about people who mot— you this is talking about people who are not able— you this is talking about people who are not able to end their ute— who are not able to end their own life. they're— who are not able to end their own life. they're not able to mote— own life. they're not able to mute the— own life. they're not able to make the choice— own life. they're not able to make the choice to commit sutette— make the choice to commit sutette. tt— make the choice to commit suicide, if you _ make the choice to commit suicide, if you like. they do mot— suicide, if you like. they do not move— suicide, if you like. they do not have control— suicide, if you like. they do not have control of their body, tut— not have control of their body, tut mett— not have control of their body, but their mental. _ not have control of their body, but their mental. so you're ttttme— but their mental. so you're killing them.— but their mental. so you're killing them. you're you're ttttmp— killing them. you're you're killing someone. so, for exempte— killing someone. so, for example, people go off to switzerland,— example, people go off to switzerland, to - example, people go off to switzerland, to dignitas , switzerland, to dignitas, whatever.— switzerland, to dignitas, whatever. they're given a poison mt— whatever. they're given a poison out they— whatever. they're given a poison mt they emo— whatever. they're given a poison and they end their— whatever. they're given a poison and they end their life. now, thts— and they end their life. now, thts ts— and they end their life. now, this is against— and they end their life. now, this is against all kinds of chhsttom— this is against all kinds of christian orthodoxy, completely . seet— christian orthodoxy, completely . seee so— christian orthodoxy, completely . seee so tt-s— christian orthodoxy, completely . see? so it's very— christian orthodoxy, completely . see? so it's very surprising that— . see? so it's very surprising that george— . see? so it's very surprising that george carey has said that. but that george carey has said that. hut there-s— that george carey has said that. hut there-s o— that george carey has said that. but there's a point— that george carey has said that. but there's a point here about eotehhe— but there's a point here about eutehmg up— but there's a point here about catching up with— but there's a point here about catching up with the modern hott— catching up with the modern world medicine— catching up with the modern world medicine has sort of, you thou.— world medicine has sort of, you thou. uhem— world medicine has sort of, you know, when this— world medicine has sort of, you know, when this teaching and thts— know, when this teaching and thts mt— know, when this teaching and thts mt tt-s— know, when this teaching and this and it's not— know, when this teaching and this and it's not just christianity,- this and it's not just christianity, it's across all the— christianity, it's across all the motto— christianity, it's across all the world religions. " the world religions. this is a hut— the world religions. this is a hut ot— the world religions. this is a kind of common theme . um, but kind of common theme. um, but these, this teaching and these were sort of formulated in, in a time when we didn't have modern medicine in the way it is. and we don't have the nature of choices where, as michel says,

we got , you can exist, but it's we got, you can exist, but it's not living. and your existence can be prolonged for years and years and years at a and despite your explicit wishes, now there need to be safeguards. you can't just. yeah, definitely. and you need to be clear on on someone's wish and they need to be of sound mind and sound reason and all the rest of it. but i think the balance tipped from a few the balance is tipped from a few years from , you know, from years ago from, you know, from the 80s or whenever 90s to now when medicine is so advanced and so many more people are in that situation. and we have means of ascertaining people's will. but i would want to be able to choose when to end my life. so who are you to tell me " t2; c �*"t2; so who are you to tell me that because— who are you to tell me that heeouse ot— who are you to tell me that because of your— who are you to tell me that because of your religious belief system.— because of your religious belief system. t— because of your religious belief system. t ooh-t— because of your religious belief system, i can't do— because of your religious belief system, i can't do that? �*ft�*t2;cc system, i can't do that? well, the— system, i can't do that? well, the tow— system, i can't do that? well, the tow says— system, i can't do that? well, the law says that as well. yes, but i would campaign- the law says that as well. yes, but i would campaign for- yes, but i would campaign for the law to change— but i would campaign for the law to change os— but i would campaign for the law to change as well. _ but i would campaign for the law to change as well. : to change as well. i would campaign for it to stay the same because i mean, who are you to tell me? so if i'm in pain, ttsttess— tell me? so if i'm in pain, distress, i've— tell me? so if i'm in pain, distress, i've made- it2;7 so if i'm in pain, distress, i've made that teetstom— distress, i've made that decision with- distress, i've made that decision with a sound mind, but my potty— decision with a sound mind, but my potty-mot— decision with a sound mind, but my hoty-mot-me- decision with a sound mind, but my body-not-me to. my body will not allow me to emet— my body will not allow me to enact my— my body will not allow me to enact my choice.— my body will not allow me to enact my choice. who are you? if

we enact my choice. who are you? if toe-ht— enact my choice. who are you? if ue-tt ehompet— enact my choice. who are you? if we-it changed in- enact my choice. who are you? if we it changed in the we can get it changed in the law:— we can get it changed in the too. who— we can get it changed in the tow. who ate— we can get it changed in the law, who are you? because of your— law, who are you? because of your-beliefs?- law, who are you? because ofi your-beliefs?-me your religious beliefs? tell me that— your religious beliefs? tell me that-pot— your religious beliefs? tell me that-pot-m- your religious beliefs? tell me that-got-in pain. that i've got to exist in pain wtth— that i've got to exist in pain wtth o— that i've got to exist in pain wtth o toss— that i've got to exist in pain with a loss of— that i've got to exist in pain with a loss of dignity. . with a loss of dignity. it was. someone— with a loss of dignity. it was. someone ts— with a loss of dignity. it was. someone is going to have to do the if you like. someone the deed, if you like. someone is going to have to give you the thing kills you or kill you thing that kills you or kill you themselves. so you're actually de someone else, de legalising someone else, killing you or killing whoever wants to be killed in the end of their life. and there are no safeguards on this. if you bring this in and allow this to happen, who is to say that there will not be any kind of coercion to do this ? how do you know if to do this? how do you know if someone has not been killed without without their consent? and wherever it is brought in, it's been brought in in belgium , in the netherlands, in canada , immediate , there is an immediate escalation and widening of the remit from mercy killing from people who are terminally ill in lots of pain, which is what you're saying. but that's the edge condition. and then it expands to people who are just

terminally ill, maybe not in pain . then people who are pain. then people who are seriously ill or people who are mentally ill, then people who are perhaps just depressed or in poverty in canada. who are you? this is what this is what i, i, i'm a person with an opinion. yeah, but if you don't want someone to end your life, that's your choice. but who are you them— your choice. but who are you theme to— your choice. but who are you then? to dictate— your choice. but who are you then? to dictate to- i ti. ti.t2; but who are you then? to dictate to somebody etse— then? to dictate to somebody etse-they— then? to dictate to somebody else-they can't- then? to dictate to somebody else they can't have that else that they can't have that optom— else that they can't have that opttoh tot— else that they can't have that option for them?— else that they can't have that option for them? that's what i ooh-t— option for them? that's what i sent—mount- option for them? that's what i can't—around in. can't get my head around in thts.— can't get my head around in thts-t— can't get my head around in mm. meth- can't get my head around in this.-i mean, i've- can't get my head around in this. i mean, i've given this. well i mean, i've given two— this. well i mean, i've given two very— this. well i mean, i've given two very good— this. well i mean, i've given two very good reasons why we shouttm-t— two very good reasons why we shouttm-t- — two very good reasons why we shouldn't- and- two very good reasons why we shouldn't ' t: ctit2; shouldn't do it. and those are secular reasons. christian secular reasons. the christian reason going back reason also, again, going back to carey, is that is to george carey, is that this is against everything that we've had in as you said, as well, in all faiths through all of time. and i think that that stands in the modern world as well. well yeah, i mean, i profoundly disagree that people can tell somebody else that they have to live in pain and suffering. i profoundly disagree. but where i do profoundly disagree. but where i to shore— profoundly disagree. but where i to shore yout— profoundly disagree. but where i do share your concern, take a toot— do share your concern, take a toot ot— do share your concern, take a toot ot thts.— do share your concern, take a look at this, everyone. you ottutet— look at this, everyone. you ottutet to— look at this, everyone. you alluded to it— look at this, everyone. you alluded to it yourself a second ago— alluded to it yourself a second ego m— alluded to it yourself a second ago he cemete— alluded to it yourself a second ago in canada ,— alluded to it yourself a second ago in canada , because even ago in canada, because even i confess, as much— ago in canada, because even i confess, as much as i do support

osststet— confess, as much as i do support usststet tymp— confess, as much as i do support usststet tymp. t— confess, as much as i do support assisted dying, i do— confess, as much as i do support assisted dying, i do get concerned— assisted dying, i do get concerned about slippage, which is concerned about slippage, which ts yout— concerned about slippage, which ts yout pomt— concerned about slippage, which ts yout potmt m— concerned about slippage, which is your point in canada to look at thts. — is your point in canada to look at thts. the— is your point in canada to look at this. the percentage of peopte— at this. the percentage of peopte that— at this. the percentage of people that would support osststet— people that would support assisted dying— people that would support assisted dying on the following ptoumts— assisted dying on the following proumts so— assisted dying on the following grounds so people would support it. grounds so people would support tt. poverty.— grounds so people would support tt. poverty. otto— grounds so people would support it. poverty, 27% of— grounds so people would support it. poverty, 27% of canadians woutt— it. poverty, 27% of canadians woutt support— it. poverty, 27% of canadians would support that homeless 28%_ would support that homeless onus, 28% mental illness , 43. onus, 28% mental illness, 43. htsohtttty— onus, 28% mental illness, 43. htsohtttty to.— onus, 28% mental illness, 43. disability, 50. inability to receive medical treatment 51. so as mush— receive medical treatment 51. so as mush as t— receive medical treatment 51. so as much as i disagree with david on the— as much as i disagree with david on the concept— as much as i disagree with david on the concept of— as much as i disagree with david on the concept of it, i do tetmttety— on the concept of it, i do definitely share concerns. you mow.— definitely share concerns. you know you— definitely share concerns. you know you ooh-t— definitely share concerns. you know, you can't kill someone heeouse— know, you can't kill someone because they're _ know, you can't kill someone because they're poor . \tt2.t know, you can't kill someone because they're poor. \tt2.t know, you can't kill someone because they're poor. \t2.t because they're poor. no, no, of course not. and it's ridiculous to think that this is just a free for all and suddenly there's going to be mass murder. there will be there'll be safeguards put in place. we live in open democratic society, in an open democratic society, and there needs to and there will be there needs to be put in place and be safeguards put in place and accountability that those safeguards and at safeguards are adhered to and at the we do have assisted the moment, we do have assisted dying. it'sjust the moment, we do have assisted dying. it's just doctors who choose as well. they shouldn't be choose as well. they shouldn't he there— choose as well. they shouldn't be there breaking— choose as well. they shouldn't be there breaking the- i they shouldn't be there breaking the law if

they-te— be there breaking the law if they're actually— be there breaking the law if they're actually doing and they're actually doing it. and if, they're actually doing it. and unknow— they're actually doing it. and h-thow h— they're actually doing it. and if, know, if someone is if, you know, if someone is tome— if, you know, if someone is tomplyou— if, you know, if someone is doing you should report them doing it, you should report them to the— doing it, you should report them to the pottee— doing it, you should report them to the police because that's wrong— to the police because that's wrong-illegal.- to the police because that's wrong illegal. but wrong and it's illegal. but there— wrong and it's illegal. but there wherever— wrong and it's illegal. but there wherever it has been thought— there wherever it has been htoupht m— there wherever it has been brought in and— there wherever it has been brought in and this the brought in and this is the tmpottomt— brought in and this is the important point that i made eottteu— important point that i made earlier, that— important point that i made earlier, that it— important point that i made earlier, that it does expand there— earlier, that it does expand there-always— earlier, that it does expand there always slippage. there is always this slippage. there— there is always this slippage. there ts— there is always this slippage. there is always— there is always this slippage. there is always this expansion of there is always this expansion ot-wety— there is always this expansion ot-vety ,— there is always this expansion ot-vety . very- there is always this expansion of very , very quickly, of the remit very, very quickly, tesptte— of the remit very, very quickly, despite whatever— of the remit very, very quickly, despite whatever safeguards have been — despite whatever safeguards have been thought— despite whatever safeguards have been brought in.— despite whatever safeguards have been brought in. we've seen that every— been brought in. we've seen that every single— been brought in. we've seen that every single case— been brought in. we've seen that every single case that's been thought.— every single case that's been thought—thtsl brought, something like this tsm-t— brought, something like this tsh-mot—e- brought, something like this isn't—more and. brought, something like this. isn't—more and more isn't brought in more and more peopte— isn't brought in more and more peopte me— isn't brought in more and more peopte pomp— isn't brought in more and more people are going to take matters mto— people are going to take matters thto thet— people are going to take matters into their-hands. - people are going to take matters into their hands. 't: people are going to take matters into their hands. t: into their own hands. and that into their own hands. and that m ttsett— into their own hands. and that in itself brings danger. it bnngs in itself brings danger. it brings the people, the brings threat to the people, the loved support someone loved ones who support someone in making that final journey. and as i said, we have this already . you know, when, when already. you know, when, when there's a when doctors are given advice to do not resuscitate dnr and stuff like that, you're quite right. i mean, there was a lot quite right. i mean, there was a tot ot— quite right. i mean, there was a tot ot outt— quite right. i mean, there was a lot of dnr given— quite right. i mean, there was a lot of dnr given out— t:. g i mean, there was a lot of dnr given out over the hometown— lot of dnr given out over the lockdown period— lot of dnr given out over the lockdown period and was so lockdown period and that was so wron-g — lockdown period and that was so wron-g hue— lockdown period and that was so womp ttue .— lockdown period and that was so wrong. true . yeah.— lockdown period and that was so wrong. true . yeah. the- lockdown period and that was so wrong. “43?" ”0 000 wrong. true. yeah. the 40,000 or so people who were in injected with midazolam and morphine who could have survived that was so wrong. well, what do you think? it's justifies that? what do you

ththt— it's justifies that? what do you thtmt to— it's justifies that? what do you thtmt to he— it's justifies that? what do you thtmt to to t— it's justifies that? what do you think to it? i think— it's justifies that? what do you think to it? i think very- think to it? i think very emotional— think to it? i think very emotional topic that will divide peopte.— emotional topic that will divide peopte. t— emotional topic that will divide peopte. t wtsh— emotional topic that will divide people. i wish if— emotional topic that will divide people. i wish if i— emotional topic that will divide people. i wish if i could wave a wont.— people. i wish if i could wave a want. t— people. i wish if i could wave a want. t woutt— people. i wish if i could wave a wand, i would legalise it tomorrow so— wand, i would legalise it tomorrow so that if you choose to, tomorrow so that if you choose to. thts— tomorrow so that if you choose to. thts ts— tomorrow so that if you choose to. thts ts yout— tomorrow so that if you choose to, this is your choice . it's to, this is your choice. it's your— to, this is your choice. it's your the.— to, this is your choice. it's your the. tt— to, this is your choice. it's your life. if you- to, this is your choice. it's your life. if you chose that for you,— your life. if you chose that for you. you— your life. if you chose that for you. you shoute— your life. if you chose that for you, you should be able to do that.— you, you should be able to do that. t— you, you should be able to do that. tjust— you, you should be able to do that. t just to— you, you should be able to do that. i just do not— you, you should be able to do that. i just do not know and i howem-t— that. i just do not know and i howem-t teem— that. i just do not know and i haven't been convinced why somehoty— haven't been convinced why somebody else— haven't been convinced why somebody else can tell you that that— somebody else can tell you that that oomot— somebody else can tell you that that cannot be— somebody else can tell you that that cannot be your ending . you that cannot be your ending. you oomot— that cannot be your ending. you sumt the— that cannot be your ending. you cannot die with— that cannot be your ending. you cannot die with dignity. i'll throw— cannot die with dignity. i'll thtow tt— cannot die with dignity. i'll throw it open— cannot die with dignity. i'll throw it open to— cannot die with dignity. i'll throw it open to you. i'll be tusshuthp— throw it open to you. i'll be fascinating to— throw it open to you. i'll be fascinating to see what side of the tense— fascinating to see what side of the tense you— fascinating to see what side of the fence you come down on as you-e— the fence you come down on as you-e utt— the fence you come down on as you-e utt uwue— the fence you come down on as you're all aware as— the fence you come down on as you're all aware as well. tuthteem— you're all aware as well. kathleen stock speaking at the omott— kathleen stock speaking at the oxford union— kathleen stock speaking at the oxford union called . blimey, oxford union called. blimey, it's oxford union called. blimey, tt-s trout— oxford union called. blimey, tt-s momt pups— oxford union called. blimey, it's front page news. this one, eeotyhe— it's front page news. this one, everyone on the— it's front page news. this one, everyone on the telegraph today ttsht— everyone on the telegraph today ttsht sumt— everyone on the telegraph today rishi sunak staging an interview and rishi sunak staging an interview umt suytme— rishi sunak staging an interview and saying absolutely this shoute— and saying absolutely this should have— and saying absolutely this should have been allowed to go uheut— should have been allowed to go ahead. there's— should have been allowed to go ahead. there's carnage among protesters— ahead. there's carnage among protesters there— ahead. there's carnage among protesters there that are outtupet — protesters there that are outraged that- protesters there that are outraged that she dares suggest a man is a man and a woman is a why— a man is a man and a woman is a woman. why cannot— a man is a man and a woman is a woman. why cannot people bear to heur— woman. why cannot people bear to heut optmtoms— woman. why cannot people bear to hear opinions that— woman. why cannot people bear to hear opinions that they disagree wtthe— hear opinions that they disagree wtthe vou— hear opinions that they disagree with? you tell— hear opinions that they disagree with? you tell me— hear opinions that they disagree

with? you tell me .

from 11 on gb news britain's news . channel _ from 11 on gb news britain's news . channel it22; from 11 on gb news britain's news . channel g�*t2;it2; news. channel hello there, i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside me. david curtain , the leader of the curtain, the leader of the heritage party and ethel hatwell is the editor of labour uncut. we've just been talking about assisted dying and whether or not it should be legalised in this country or not. fair to say . quite a bit of strong disagreement in topic, disagreement in this topic, arlene . i watched my lovely arlene says. i watched my lovely dad suffer for the last four years of his life. i would have gladly helped him end his life. he lost all of his dignity, and she it terrifies her that she says it terrifies her that she says it terrifies her that she will end up that she will end up in that situation. nigel says there'll be people that think, be plenty of people that think, let's bump off granny because she's and says it is she's minted. and he says it is absolutely bizarre that anybody in this society would advocate for assisted dying. it really is divided . janice is saying you

divided. janice is saying you wouldn't trust people to be able to make this decision. you think it'd be manipulated because of things like waiting lists. it'd be manipulated because of things like waiting lists . and things like waiting lists. and matt says he would worry about suppage matt says he would worry about slippage of boundaries. sally says , yes, it definitely would says, yes, it definitely would need regulation . jane says you need regulation. jane says you don't let animals suffer like that. so why would you let humans suffer? we went off piste in the break as well, david and l, in the break as well, david and i, because then we got on to abortion and i was saying, well, you know, people's bodies and people's and you were people's lives. and you were saying with saying that you disagreed with that yeah, i'm that as well. yeah, i'm pro—the.— that as well. yeah, i'm pto-ttte. t— that as well. yeah, i'm pro—life. i totally- yeah, i'm pro—life. i totally agree with the— pro—life. i totally agree with the-thte— pro—life. i totally agree with the-the ot- pro—life. i totally agree with the-life of an- pro—life. i totally agree with the life of an unborn the right to life of an unborn shit.— the right to life of an unborn shttt. amt— the right to life of an unborn child. and when— the right to life of an unborn child. and when it was brought in, child. and when it was brought thltom-t— child. and when it was brought thltom-t uetee— child. and when it was brought in, don't agree with the in, i don't agree with the uhotttom— in, i don't agree with the abortion-but. in, i don't agree with the. abortion-but when in, i don't agree with the- abortion-but when it abortion act 1967, but when it thought— abortion act 1967, but when it was brought in,— abortion act 1967, but when it was brought in, it— abortion act 1967, but when it was brought in, it was promoter did was brought in, it was promoter ttt om— was brought in, it was promoter ttt om-husts— was brought in, it was promoter did on-basis that- was brought in, it was promoter did on basis that would did on the basis that it would my— did on the basis that it would omty-huhttet- did on the basis that it would only hundred people only be a few hundred people a yeut— only be a few hundred people a yeut-he— only be a few hundred people a year-be aborted- only be a few hundred people a year-be aborted .- only be a few hundred people a year be aborted . and but year would be aborted. and but tt-s— year would be aborted. and but now it's 230,000. _ year would be aborted. and but now it's 230,000. it's gone heyomt— now it's 230,000. it's gone heyomt utt— now it's 230,000. it's gone beyond all the— now it's 230,000. it's gone beyond all the scope that it was ohumutty— beyond all the scope that it was ohsjmutty sutu— beyond all the scope that it was originally said that it would he. — originally said that it would he. so.— originally said that it would he. so. you— originally said that it would be. so, you know,- originally said that it would be. originally said that it would- be. so, you know, maybe this is a debate for another day because i just cannot comprehend . yes, i just cannot comprehend. yes, i respect people's right and choice and all the rest of your

anti—abortion, you know, good for you. i respect your religious beliefs and all the rest of it. i just draw the line when you then start telling me what to and what i what i've got to do and what i can with my own body to can do with my own body to appease religion. but appease your religion. but anyway, time it flies. i anyway, look at time it flies. i could get into this one. that would get fiery for sure, but i'll one. i think i'll leave that one. i think for another or i can do it another day or so. i can do it properly. gender critical feminist. do you even know what that found that ridiculous that is? i found that ridiculous because think actually because i just think actually it's that speaks it's just someone that speaks the is quite sensible. the truth and is quite sensible. but anyway, kathleen stock speaking the union speaking at the oxford union happening actually. happening as we speak actually. and long story short, we know it by created lot of by now. it's created a lot of controversy. sunak sunak controversy. rishi sunak sunak has out. that is front has spoken out. that is front page news today. saying page news today. he's saying that free speech should be permitted, but it's all getting a bit nasty. whole a bit nasty. this whole conversation about biological sex, trans rights and all the rest of it. what say you, kathleen? stock needs to speak. teopte— kathleen? stock needs to speak. teopte sum— kathleen? stock needs to speak. people can protest— 7 stock needs to speak. people can protest outside, but they— people can protest outside, but they sum— people can protest outside, but they can protest.— people can protest outside, but they can protest. and that's part— they can protest. and that's putt ot— they can protest. and that's putt ot the— they can protest. and that's part of the right— they can protest. and that's part of the right part of the stems— part of the right part of the hphts th— part of the right part of the rights in our— part of the right part of the rights in our country. you can protest.— rights in our country. you can protest. hut— rights in our country. you can protest, but you _ rights in our country. you can protest, but you can't stop her

speuthe. — protest, but you can't stop her speutmg. she-s— protest, but you can't stop her speaking. she's the you her wews— speaking. she's the you her views are actually reasonably motetute— views are actually reasonably motetute .— views are actually reasonably moderate . she's— views are actually reasonably moderate . she's not saying moderate. she's not saying uhythmp— moderate. she's not saying anything terribly extreme . um, anything terribly extreme. um, umt— anything terribly extreme. um, umt ustuutty— anything terribly extreme. um, and actually, this— anything terribly extreme. um, and actually, this is within the eumst— and actually, this is within the eumst ot— and actually, this is within the realms of debate. _ and actually, this is within the realms of debate. it's not kind of realms of debate. it's not kind ot om— realms of debate. it's not kind ot oh the— realms of debate. it's not kind of on the fringe. _ realms of debate. it's not kind of on the fringe. but i'll make poht. — of on the fringe. but i'll make one point. free— of on the fringe. but i'll make one point. free speech is very tmpottumt— one point. free speech is very tmpottumt umt— one point. free speech is very important and it's— one point. free speech is very important and it's good that ttsht— important and it's good that rishi sunak— important and it's good that rishi sunak said he backs it here.— rishi sunak said he backs it here. put— rishi sunak said he backs it here, but i'll— rishi sunak said he backs it here, but i'll note just last week— here, but i'll note just last week there— here, but i'll note just last week there was— here, but i'll note just last week there was an international weupos— week there was an international weupos expert.— week there was an international weapons expert, dan calzetta , weapons expert, dan calzetta, who— weapons expert, dan calzetta, who wus— weapons expert, dan calzetta, who was no platformed and sumsettet— who was no platformed and cancelled from _ who was no platformed and cancelled from speaking about his cancelled from speaking about hts spestuttty— cancelled from speaking about hts spestuttty ,— cancelled from speaking about his speciality , which is around his speciality, which is around heme— his speciality, which is around mewe upemts— his speciality, which is around nerve agents. it's— his speciality, which is around nerve agents. it's a ministry of hetemse— nerve agents. it's a ministry of defence conference because he huppemet— defence conference because he huppemet to— defence conference because he huppemet to suy— defence conference because he happened to say a— defence conference because he happened to say a few mean ththps— happened to say a few mean thtmus uhout— happened to say a few mean things about i— happened to say a few mean things about i don't know, mesh— things about i don't know, brexitlhe's_ things about i don't know, brexitlhe's a- things about i don't know, brexit he's a lib dem now. brexit or he's a lib dem now. mee— brexit or he's a lib dem now. tree speesh— brexit or he's a lib dem now. free speech cuts— brexit or he's a lib dem now. free speech cuts both ways . the free speech cuts both ways. the test— free speech cuts both ways. the test-mee— free speech cuts both ways. the test-free speech— free speech cuts both ways. the test-free speech is- free speech cuts both ways. the test free speech is will you test of free speech is will you support— test of free speech is will you support pimple— test of free speech is will you support people you don't support people that you don't uptee— support people that you don't uptee-e— support people that you don't uptee-e amt— support people that you don't uptee-e amt t— support people that you don't agree ? and i think that is agree with? and i think that is ottem— agree with? and i think that is otteh sputte— agree with? and i think that is often quite interesting. i think huthteem— often quite interesting. i think kathleen stokes— often quite interesting. i think kathleen stokes should have the mom— kathleen stokes should have the hpht—utso- kathleen stokes should have the right—also argue. right to speak. i'd also argue thut— right to speak. i'd also argue thut the— right to speak. i'd also argue that the other— right to speak. i'd also argue that the other side, people who are that the other side, people who muthe— that the other side, people who are making the— that the other side, people who are making the opposite case huwe— are making the opposite case huwe the— are making the opposite case have the right— are making the opposite case have the right to— are making the opposite case have the right to speak and the peopte— have the right to speak and the peopte-ute— have the right to speak and the people are protesting have people who are protesting have the-protest.— people who are protesting have the - protest, - not. people who are protesting have the - protest, - not to i the right to protest, but not to stop— the right to protest, but not to stop her. — the right to protest, but not to stop her. yeah,— the right to protest, but not to stop her. yeah, i— the right to protest, but not to

stop her. “43?" "

insane . but this is been regarded as absolutely insane. but this is where we are now . we've got snowflake now. we've got snowflake activists going and screaming at her and saying, oh, we need a safe space in case we're distressed just because of her views . even if they don't go in views. even if they don't go in and see her. you know, i think a lot of this is just attention seeking and it's just trying to i don't know what it is. it's inverting just normality and trying to bring in something thatis trying to bring in something that is like out of orwell's 1984 that you have to deny the evidence of your own eyes and your own brain. the emperor's new— your own brain. the emperor's new stothes. — your own brain. the emperor's new clothes. that's— " the emperor's new clothes. that's what it smsst— new clothes. that's what it smsst ot— new clothes. that's what it smacks of to _ new clothes. that's what it smacks of to me- new clothes. that's what it smacks of to me . a lot of this smacks of to me. a lot of this topts— smacks of to me. a lot of this topts. hut— smacks of to me. a lot of this topts. put us— smacks of to me. a lot of this topic, but it's so— smacks of to me. a lot of this topic, but it's so nasty and us— topic, but it's so nasty and us so— topic, but it's so nasty and it's so aggressive and in many tt— it's so aggressive and in many tt gets— it's so aggressive and in many cases it gets quite— it's so aggressive and in many cases it gets quite vile . int cases it gets quite vile. int amt— cases it gets quite vile. int amt ottem— cases it gets quite vile. int and often it's— cases it gets quite vile. int and often it's often you know, the— and often it's often you know, the young— and often it's often you know, the young people. and then i thtmt— the young people. and then i thtmt to— the young people. and then i think to myself,— the young people. and then i think to myself, well, what are the putemts— think to myself, well, what are the parents doing— think to myself, well, what are the parents doing with these young— the parents doing with these young pimple?— the parents doing with these young people? because if that my— young people? because if that my shit— young people? because if that was my child who couldn't tttetutty— was my child who couldn't literally couldn't handle heuhme— literally couldn't handle heuhhp um— literally couldn't handle hearing an alternate view and

heetet— hearing an alternate view and meetet to— hearing an alternate view and meetet to 90— hearing an alternate view and needed to go and— hearing an alternate view and needed to go and have therapy hesuse— needed to go and have therapy because someone— needed to go and have therapy because someone said something needed to go and have therapy be hime someone said something needed to go and have therapy be him thatneone said something needed to go and have therapy be him that he he said something needed to go and have therapy be him that he didn'td something needed to go and have therapy be him that he didn't like nething needed to go and have therapy be him that he didn't like anding to him that he didn't like and i'd to him that he didn't like and t-tlhuwhp— to him that he didn't like and i'd having serious words and i'd be having serious words and i'd be having serious words and to he— i'd be having serious words and to he toothe— i'd be having serious words and i'd be looking-the- i'd be having serious words and i'd be looking the mirror i'd be looking in the mirror as wet.— i'd be looking in the mirror as wett-suyhe— i'd be looking in the mirror as well. saying myself, what well. and saying to myself, what huwe— well. and saying to myself, what huwe-t-we— well. and saying to myself, what have - i've created - well. and saying to myself, what have i've created this have i done? i've created this shit.— have i done? i've created this. shit—ts child, this young person who is the— child, this young person who is the. thts— child, this young person who is the. thts .— child, this young person who is like, this . but— child, this young person who is like, this . but they're like, this. but they're indoctrinated. "t2yt it2; indoctrinated. they're indoctrinated. they're indoctrinated in schools, they're indoctrinated in university . and you've got this university. and you've got this new subject , relationships and new subject, relationships and sex education that the government has brought in in england. labour's it in england. labour's brought it in in the snp has brought it in wales, the snp has brought it in wales, the snp has brought it in in scotland and they're teaching all of this trans teaching kids all of this trans ideology. you've got children's picture books where we used to have like ladybird books and you know, nice old stories like, you know, nice old stories like, you know, you , enid blyton and so know, you, enid blyton and so on. now people are we had a we had a good debate about that one time. but you've got these picture books now that are just proper aggrandising this trans ideology and they're getting kids very, very young and kyrees appropriate to be able to say to have at the right age for education, to say some people are same sex attracted, some

people have different gender identity. that's entirely upptophute— 02“. qt that's entirely appropriate because where t:t2;“. .«t that's entirely appropriate because where it goes— appropriate because where it goes ts— appropriate because where it goes ts where— appropriate because where it goes is where if— appropriate because where it goes is where if one goes too far goes is where if one goes too tut towm— goes is where if one goes too tut town the— goes is where if one goes too far down the other way, you end up th— far down the other way, you end up h u— far down the other way, you end up in a situation— far down the other way, you end up in a situation like in mouth— up in a situation like in florida where- up in a situation like in florida where books are banned. wett— florida where books are banned. wett. t— florida where books are banned. well, i disagree— florida where books are banned. well, i disagree because- florida where books are banned. well, i disagree because there is no such thing as gender depher that is different to sex. this was all made up, starting with john money in the 1950s who did lots of very unethical experiments on children and the ones one of them sadly committed suicide after he'd done the experiment on them. it was then promoted by judith butler, and now it's mainstreamed and it's going into schools and it's confusing kids. and that shouldn't happen . well, do you shouldn't happen. well, do you have shouldn't happen. well, do you huwe hts.— shouldn't happen. well, do you have kids, relatives— shouldn't happen. well, do you have kids, relatives ,— : “ . “ well, do you have kids, relatives , your own have kids, relatives, your own thts.— have kids, relatives, your own hts. yout— have kids, relatives, your own kids, your grandkids? i don't mow.— kids, your grandkids? i don't mow-_get— kids, your grandkids? i don't know. get concerned about know. do you get concerned about these— know. do you get concerned about these matters?— know. do you get concerned about these matters? and _ know. do you get concerned about these matters? and are you one of these matters? and are you one ot the— these matters? and are you one ot the putemts— these matters? and are you one of the parents of— these matters? and are you one of the parents of one of these shtttteme— of the parents of one of these shtttteme-t- of the parents of one of these children?-i-you of the parents of one of these. children?-i-you do children? because i think you do me— children? because i think you do huweltoot— children? because i think you do havellook inward— children? because i think you do have look inward your have to look inward if your shit— have to look inward if your child-intolerant- have to look inward if your child intolerant and cannot child is intolerant and cannot huhtte— child is intolerant and cannot humtte u— child is intolerant and cannot handle a different opinion , i'm handle a different opinion, i'm you-tt— handle a different opinion, i'm sure you'll tell— handle a different opinion, i'm sure you'll tell me your thoughts— sure you'll tell me your thoughts .that- sure you'll tell me your thoughts that one. in all the thoughts on that one. in all the usuut— thoughts on that one. in all the usuut-huve— thoughts on that one. in all the usuut-huve u- thoughts on that one. in all the usual-have a quick. usual ways, i'll have a quick hteuh— usual ways, i'll have a quick hteut. tuhem— usual ways, i'll have a quick break. when come back, i'll break. when i come back, i'll tstoe—thee- break. when i come back, i'll drive—there be- break. when i come back, i'll drive—there be a. break. when i come back, i'll. drive _there be a cut drive us. should there be a cut otte—

drive us. should there be a cut otte-somes— drive us. should there be a cut off?-comes to- drive us. should there be a cut off?-comes to age- drive us. should there be a cut off? comes to age before off? when it comes to age before you meet— off? when it comes to age before you meet to— off? when it comes to age before you meet to get— off? when it comes to age before you need to get booted off the out— you need to get booted off the out or— you need to get booted off the out or .—

not | not| hello | hot- hello there . lust— hello there . i'm michelle hello there. i'm michelle hewhemy— hello there. i'm michelle dewberry david katz and the teutet— dewberry david katz and the teutet ot— dewberry david katz and the leader of the _ dewberry david katz and the leader of the heritage parties utohpstte— leader of the heritage parties utompstte me— leader of the heritage parties utompstte me ,— leader of the heritage parties alongside me , as is athol alongside me, as is athol hutwett— alongside me, as is athol hatwell, the— alongside me, as is athol hatwell, the editor of labour uhsut— hatwell, the editor of labour umsut .— hatwell, the editor of labour umsut . were— hatwell, the editor of labour uncut . we're still going on uncut. we're still going on uhout— uncut. we're still going on uhout the— uncut. we're still going on about the assisted dying conversation. _ about the assisted dying conversation. we are in the hteut— conversation. we are in the hteut umywuy— conversation. we are in the break anyway. elderly drivers. are break anyway. elderly drivers. hte you— break anyway. elderly drivers. the you ome— break anyway. elderly drivers. are you one of— break anyway. elderly drivers. are you one of them? they upputemtty— are you one of them? they upputemtty ue— are you one of them? they apparently are dominating the outs — apparently are dominating the roads. 200,000— apparently are dominating the roads. 200,000 people increased by. roads. 200,000 people increased by thut— roads. 200,000 people increased by thut ts— roads. 200,000 people increased by thut ts the— roads. 200,000 people increased by. that is the number of people the— by. that is the number of people the upe— by. that is the number of people the use ot— by. that is the number of people over the age of 70— by. that is the number of people over the age of 70 who hold a theme.— over the age of 70 who hold a theme giving— over the age of 70 who hold a licence, giving us— over the age of 70 who hold a licence, giving us a total of ettetty— licence, giving us a total of elderly drivers.— licence, giving us a total of elderly drivers. almost 6 mttttom— elderly drivers. almost 6 million apparently drivers over the use— million apparently drivers over the use ot— million apparently drivers over the ups ot to— million apparently drivers over the age of 70 caused the most so—suttet— the age of 70 caused the most so—called failing— the age of 70 caused the most so—called failing to look ussttemt— so—called failing to look accident as— so—called failing to look accident as they've got to have them— accident as they've got to have their licence—

accident as they've got to have their licence renewed every three— their licence renewed every thee yes — their licence renewed every thee yes t— their licence renewed every three years. i don't even think thut-s— three years. i don't even think thut-s enough.— three years. i don't even think that's enough. i— three years. i don't even think that's enough. i think that when you to— that's enough. i think that when you to pet— that's enough. i think that when you to get to— that's enough. i think that when you to get to u— that's enough. i think that when you do get to a certain age, i thtmt— you do get to a certain age, i thtmt you— you do get to a certain age, i think you should— you do get to a certain age, i think you should perhaps have to do think you should perhaps have to to umut— think you should perhaps have to do annual licence— think you should perhaps have to do annual licence checks. well the theme— do annual licence checks. well the licence just— do annual licence checks. well the licence just comes through automatically— the licence just comes through automatically from dvla. “ automatically from dvla. i mean you hows— automatically from dvla. i mean you toys to— automatically from dvla. i mean you toys to uppty— automatically from dvla. i mean you have to apply for it and then they give you a new one. i think there's a different issue there retesting someone there about retesting someone needing driving test needing to do a new driving test every three years. i mean, i, i don't think that they should have to do that. i certainly don't think that they should have do driving test every have to do a driving test every yeah have to do a driving test every year. if someone is found year. look, if someone is found to be, you know, driving dangerously or causing an accident, get them on an individual basis and make them do a driving test. but i don't think you should have a blanket requirement for someone when they get to 70 to have to do that every year. the flaw in my utgumemt— that every year. the flaw in my utgumemt. hy— that every year. the flaw in my argument, by the _ that every year. the flaw in my argument, by the way,- tittig the flaw in my argument, by the way, is good hust— argument, by the way, is good tust ttymg— argument, by the way, is good tust ttymg to— argument, by the way, is good luck trying to get— argument, by the way, is good luck trying to get your licence assessed with _ luck trying to get your licence assessed with a— luck trying to get your licence assessed with a backlogs and all the-tt— assessed with a backlogs and all the-ht us— assessed with a backlogs and all the-ht us tt— assessed with a backlogs and all the-it as it stands- the rest of it as it stands totuy— the rest of it as it stands totuy. umywuy- the rest of it as it stands today. anyway, you today. anyway, i think you shoute— today. anyway, i think you should have— today. anyway, i think you should have have you should should have to have you should be should have to have you should he tetestet. — should have to have you should be retested. but— should have to have you should be retested. but i— should have to have you should be retested. : “ . be retested. but i wouldn't just confine it to people are 70. confine it to people who are 70. i you know, you know,

i think, you know, you know, people pass their tests in people who pass their tests in the 80s and the 70s who aren't in their 70s now, you know, you pass 17, pass your test when you're 17, you go decades driving and you can go decades driving and the completely changes . the world completely changes. you loads more you know, there's loads more cars, completely cars, there's completely different think there's different rules. i think there's probably around. the probably something around. the metric gap. since last test, metric is gap. since last test, you know, you can't go more than a decade since your last test and maybe it gets more frequent as you get as you get as you get older. but it will keep people more attentive to the changes. iused more attentive to the changes. i used to live next door to a very— i used to live next door to a very ettetty— i used to live next door to a very elderly couple when i was a kid very elderly couple when i was a ht umu— very elderly couple when i was a ht umt they— very elderly couple when i was a kid and they used— very elderly couple when i was a kid and they used to drive this three— kid and they used to drive this three wheeled— kid and they used to drive this three wheeled what they three wheeled car, what they sutt— three wheeled car, what they sutt-tohh — three wheeled car, what they call robin reliance or call that robin reliance or somethhg. — call that robin reliance or something. and only something. yeah and only fools and something. yeah and only fools umu—usst- something. yeah and only fools umu—uset to- something. yeah and only fools umu—uset to goi and horses. yeah. it used to go so-tt— and horses. yeah. it used to go so-tt soutt— and horses. yeah. it used to go so-it could like- and horses. yeah. it used to go so it could like struggle so slowly it could like struggle to, so slowly it could like struggle to. to— so slowly it could like struggle to. to wuth— so slowly it could like struggle to, to walk, struggled with mohtttty— to, to walk, struggled with mobility -then - to, to walk, struggled with mobility then he used to, to walk, struggled with mobility-then he used get mobility and then he used to get thto— mobility and then he used to get thto thts— mobility and then he used to get thto thts-umu— mobility and then he used to get into this-and i— mobility and then he used to get into this-and i said,- mobility and then he used to get into this and i said, what into this car and i said, what woutt— into this car and i said, what woutt-u— into this car and i said, what woutt-u ht- into this car and i said, what would-a kid ran. into this car and i said, what would a kid ran out into this car and i said, what. would-a kid ran out in would you do if a kid ran out in trout— would you do if a kid ran out in ttomt ot— would you do if a kid ran out in ttomt ot you— would you do if a kid ran out in front of you and— would you do if a kid ran out in front of you and you needed like a front of you and you needed like u-teutty— front of you and you needed like u-teutty outst— front of you and you needed like a really quick response a really, really quick response to he— a really, really quick response to he amt— a really, really quick response to he amt t— a really, really quick response to it? and i think— a really, really quick response to it? and i think that is the exumpte— to it? and i think that is the example that's— to it? and i think that is the example that's always stuck in to it? and i think that is the exa mindthat's always stuck in to it? and i think that is the exa mind .iat's always stuck in to it? and i think that is the exa mind . and always stuck in to it? and i think that is the exa mind . and jenny; stuck in to it? and i think that is the exa mind . and jenny on uck in to it? and i think that is the exa mind . and jenny on the in my mind. and jenny on the usststet— my mind. and jenny on the assisted dying— my mind. and jenny on the assisted dying thing says, i've got tetmhut—

assisted dying thing says, i've got terminal cancer and also a strong— got terminal cancer and also a strong christian— got terminal cancer and also a strong christian faith. i hettewe— strong christian faith. i believe that- strong christian faith. i believe that with the right suteguutts— believe that with the right safeguards in— believe that with the right safeguards in place , assisted safeguards in place, assisted dying— safeguards in place, assisted tytmg shoute— safeguards in place, assisted dying should be— safeguards in place, assisted dying should be allowed, she suys— dying should be allowed, she suys .— dying should be allowed, she suys . uue— dying should be allowed, she suys . we ptuy— dying should be allowed, she says . we play god with modern says. we play god with modern mettstme. — says. we play god with modern medicine. all— says. we play god with modern medicine. all-time- says. we play god with modern medicine. all time it's medicine. all the time and it's huthuhs— medicine. all the time and it's huthuhs to— medicine. all the time and it's barbaric to refuse— medicine. all the time and it's barbaric to refuse people who are barbaric to refuse people who tymg— barbaric to refuse people who tytmg th— barbaric to refuse people who are dying in-pain.- barbaric to refuse people who are dying in pain. they are dying in great pain. they shoute— are dying in great pain. they shoutt—to- are dying in great pain. they should _to makei are dying in great pain. they. should _to make that should be allowed to make that choice.— should be allowed to make that choice. that— should be allowed to make that choice. that one— should be allowed to make that choice. that one really has divided— choice. that one really has ddvdded you— choice. that one really has divided you massively. i would say down— divided you massively. i would say down de— divided you massively. i would say down the middle, as many of you,— say down the middle, as many of yo. dd— say down the middle, as many of yo. for d— say down the middle, as many of you, for d as— say down the middle, as many of you, for d as you— say down the middle, as many of you, for it as you are— say down the middle, as many of you, for it as you are against it .— you, for it as you are against it . ._ you, for it as you are against it . . don-d— you, for it as you are against it . i don't know— you, for it as you are against it . i don't know if- you, for it as you are against it . i don't know it it'll change it. i don't know it it'll change any— it. i don't know it it'll change any time— it. i don't know it it'll change any time soon. _ it. i don't know it it'll change any time soon. do— it. i don't know it it'll change any time soon. do i hope that it wouddd— any time soon. do i hope that it wouddd dy— any time soon. do i hope that it wouddd dy de— any time soon. do i hope that it would? by the way,— any time soon. do i hope that it would? by the way, did you see the pictures?— would? by the way, did you see the pictures? i— would? by the way, did you see the pictures? i have to descend. all the pictures? i have to descend. add dds— the pictures? i have to descend. all this made— the pictures? i have to descend. all this made me— the pictures? i have to descend. all this made me laugh. the pictures— all this made me laugh. the picidies di— all this made me laugh. the pictures of cooper's hill cheese idiiind— pictures of cooper's hill cheese idiiing racing,— pictures of cooper's hill cheese rolling racing, gloucestershire. i rolling racing, gloucestershire. ilidve— rolling racing, gloucestershire. ilidve iiese — rolling racing, gloucestershire. i.love these kind- rolling racing, gloucestershire. i love these kind of british i do love these kind of british evensi— i do love these kind of british eveis .— i do love these kind of british i. ii— i do love these kind of british i. ii is— i do love these kind of british events . it is mostly often it events. it is mostly often it does— events. it is mostly often it does seem like— events. it is mostly often it does seem like kind of grown men deiiind— does seem like kind of grown men getting involved— does seem like kind of grown men getting involved in— does seem like kind of grown men getting involved in this kind of sinii. — getting involved in this kind of sinii. and— getting involved in this kind of sinii. and i— getting involved in this kind of stuff. and i just— getting involved in this kind of stuff. and i just think it's so i stuff. and i just think it's so i found— stuff. and i just think it's so i found ii— stuff. and i just think it's so i found it funny— stuff. and i just think it's so i found it funny ._ stuff. and i just think it's so i found it funny. i don't know vindi— i found it funny. i don't know vvndi is— i found it funny. i don't know vvndi is wrong— i found it funny. i don't know what is wrong with me, but i find— what is wrong with me, but i iind neede— what is wrong with me, but i find people falling over , you find people falling over, you knew,— find people falling over, you knew, i— find people falling over, you knew, i de. — find people falling over, you know, i do. it— find people falling over, you know, i do. it just makes me inden— know, i do. it just makes me idngn. anyway,— know, i do. it just makes me laugh. anyway, when you have sidin— laugh. anyway, when you have sinii dive— laugh. anyway, when you have stuff like this,— laugh. anyway, when you have stuff like this, people getting in even— stuff like this, people getting in touch saying— stuff like this, people getting in touch saying that these ininds— in touch saying that these ininds-ie- in touch saying that these things be banned. in touch saying that these- things-be banned. there's things should be banned. there's deeds— things should be banned. there's iedds ei— things should be banned. there's iedds ei-ii-s— things should be banned. there's

loads of-it's not- things should be banned. there's loads of it's not just loads of them. it's not just neese— loads of them. it's not just cheese rolling.— loads of them. it's not just cheese rolling. there's ones vvnene— cheese rolling. there's ones vvneie ven— cheese rolling. there's ones where you have— cheese rolling. there's ones where you have the balls or you midni— where you have the balls or you nidni-seen— where you have the balls or you nidni-seen ii— where you have the balls or you nidni-seen ii .— where you have the balls or you might-seen it . this- where you have the balls or you might seen it . this is might have seen it. this is vedn— might have seen it. this is vedn ids— might have seen it. this is yeahv is en— might have seen it. this is yeah, it's on the- might have seen it. this is yeah, it's on the screen now . i yeah, it's on the screen now. i iden— yeah, it's on the screen now. i ieen di— yeah, it's on the screen now. i mean, look at this.- yeah, it's on the screen now. i mean, look at this. one of these eveis— mean, look at this. one of these eveis ii— mean, look at this. one of these eveis ii dei— mean, look at this. one of these events, it got towards the end. is— events, it got towards the end. ii-s-idsiediiv— events, it got towards the end. it's - basically if- events, it got towards the end. it's basically if you're it's just basically if you're iisienind— it's just basically if you're listening it's listening and not watching, it's idsiediiv— listening and not watching, it's basically—each. basically men battering each diner.— basically men battering each other._beating. basically men battering each. other._beating each other. they're just beating each diner— other. they're just beating each diner-inev-ve— other. they're just beating each other-they've had - other. they're just beating each other they've had to board other up. they've had to board up di— other up. they've had to board up add ine— other up. they've had to board up add ine-inev- other up. they've had to board up all the they don't up all the shops. they don't sane-nipping- up all the shops. they don't. sane-nippind-iens care. they're ripping their tops . inev-ne— care. they're ripping their tops . inev-ne-di- care. they're ripping their tops . they're-at each- care. they're ripping their tops . they're at each other . they're gouging at each other all . they're gouging at each other dii idi— . they're gouging at each other did for ine— . they're gouging at each other all for the glory— . they're gouging at each other all for the glory of the ball . all for the glory of the ball. do all for the glory of the ball. in ven— all for the glory of the ball. in ven ininv— all for the glory of the ball. do you think these kind of eveis— do you think these kind of events should— do you think these kind of events should be banned or not? no, events should be banned or not? do. i— events should be banned or not? do. i-dneie-s— events should be banned or not? do. i-ineie-s n— events should be banned or not? no, i-there's a point- events should be banned or not? no, i-there's a point of- no, i think there's a point of common personal common sense and personal responsibility. want to responsibility. if you want to basically get into a big ruck and you're not going to complain when you get a black eye or a bit of a or a broken arm or whatever. as a result, that's fine. the only i would fine. the only point i would make that if we get basically make is that if we get basically 80 people rocking up to a&e , 80 people rocking up to a&e, blocking legitimate people who have been in a road accident, i think that's more problematic. but if you've got sort of it's a one off event, it's individuals , it's fine as long as you're banning for you. do you think we

snenid— banning for you. do you think we snenid inn— banning for you. do you think we should ban them?— banning for you. do you think we should ban them? no. - in?” g do you think we should ban them? no. edi; should ban them? no. these are deni— should ban them? no. these are greed inn— should ban them? no. these are great fun and they've been around for years and years. there's certainly shouldn't ban these things are who go these things are people who go into do it at their into them. they do it at their own risk. let's carry on with them. every time i watch one of inese— them. every time i watch one of inese videos— them. every time i watch one of these videos, i— them. every time i watch one of these videos, i like— them. every time i watch one of these videos, i like to- every time i watch one of these videos, i like to focus on a these videos, i like to focus on d diiieneni— these videos, i like to focus on a different individual. each ine— a different individual. each. time._actually a different individual. each- time. _actually look time. and when you actually look at time. and when you actually look esenni—e— time. and when you actually look dsenni—e ei- time. and when you actually look at_some of these- at the state of some of these people— at the state of some of these peepie end— at the state of some of these peepie end ine— at the state of some of these people and the mess that they get themselves— people and the mess that they get themselves into, i know it's a get themselves into, i know it's e di— get themselves into, i know it's d iii needn— get themselves into, i know it's a bit mean, but— get themselves into, i know it's a bit mean, but i— get themselves into, i know it's a bit mean, but i do find it dissinieiv— a bit mean, but i do find it absolutely-and. a bit mean, but i do find it absolutely-and ii a bit mean, but i do find it. absolutely-and i like absolutely hilarious and i like indi— absolutely hilarious and i like ind—idi- absolutely hilarious and i like ind—id ei- that we've had a lot of disagreement- that we've had a lot of disagreement on this panel iedev—iil disagreement on this paneli isdev—ii en today, but we've ended it on a common ground.— today, but we've ended it on a common ground. we all collectively— common ground. we all collectively say ban collectively say do not ban inese— collectively say do not ban these events. _ collectively say do not ban these events. have you got one of these events. have you got one ei-vvneie— these events. have you got one ei-vvneie ven— these events. have you got one of-where you live?- these events. have you got one of where you live? do you of them where you live? do you dine— of them where you live? do you think-absolute— of them where you live? do youj think-absolute-do think it is absolute carnage? do you— think it is absolute carnage? do ven—snenid- think it is absolute carnage? do ven—snenid ne- think it is absolute carnage? do you should be banned you think they should be banned or you think they should be banned en de— you think they should be banned en de ven— you think they should be banned en de ven ininv— you think they should be banned or do you think they should eeniinnee— continue? one of you just geiiind— continue? one of you just geiiind-en- continue? one of you just getting-on that. getting in touch on that dssisied— getting in touch on that assisted dying topic saying it is ine— assisted dying topic saying it is the ultimate— assisted dying topic saying it is the ultimate arrogance from the is the ultimate arrogance from ine—indi- is the ultimate arrogance from ine—indi inevl the state to think that they snenid — the state to think that they snenid -ie - the state to think that they should to ultimately should be able to ultimately decide— should be able to ultimately decide-ven— should be able to ultimately decide-you die- should be able to ultimately decide you die and with how decide when you die and with how men— decide when you die and with how nnen digniiv— decide when you die and with how nnen digniiv en— decide when you die and with how much dignity or not— decide when you die and with how much dignity or not go to, say, a much dignity or not go to, say, d—niin- much dignity or not go to, say, d—vviin venl much dignity or not go to, say,. d—vviin ven ind a completely agree with you that deede— a completely agree with you that debate-rumble— a completely agree with you that debate rumble and on. debate will rumble on and on. nui— debate will rumble on and on. in ion— debate will rumble on and on. in den nevv— debate will rumble on and on. but for now, gents, that is all i-ve— but for now, gents, that is all i-ve dei— but for now, gents, that is all i-ve gei iine— but for now, gents, that is all i've got time for. _ but for now, gents, that is all i've got time for. thank you very— i've got time for. thank you very mien.— i've got time for. thank you very much. we'll- i've got time for. thank you very much. we'll pick up on that eienien—

very much. we'll pick up on that dienien ene— very much. we'll pick up on that abortion one another day. young . very— abortion one another day. young . very serend— abortion one another day. young man . very strong disagreements man. very strong disagreements inde— man. very strong disagreements neee—neve- man. very strong disagreements neee—nave e- man. very strong disagreements there._have a great| there. but for now, have a great men.— there. but for now, have a great dens—nevi] there. but for now, have a greati mend—nese de night. nigel farage. up next, do not night. nigel farage. up next, do neildnvvvnene— night. nigel farage. up next, do not-anywhere. _ night. nigel farage. up next, do not-anywhere . oh,- night. nigel farage. up next, do not anywhere . o" not go anywhere. oh, hello inde— not go anywhere. oh, hello there. i'm greg jewhurst and welcome to our latest weather forecast for news high forecast for gb news high pressure keeps it settled largely dry over the next few days. sunny skies across the across the west and then across eastern areas. we just have a bit of a key northeasterly breeze , which means it'll be breeze, which means it'll be a little bit chillier at times over the next few days , but over the next few days, but really settled and dry going forward for tuesday evening. best of the late sunshine across east western parts of the uk. further east it will generally be quite cloudy. the cloud thick enough perhaps for a few spots of light rain or drizzle. and just notice how that cloud pushes its way westwards as we move through night. move through the night. temperatures cold as temperatures not as cold as recent nights to more cloud recent nights due to more cloud around. temperatures holding around. so temperatures holding up double figures, but up close to double figures, but it does mean a bit of a grey start to wednesday morning. best of the sunshine. first thing, northern western northern ireland, western scotland. as we go scotland. and then as we go

through day, cloud through the day, this cloud should lift and should slowly start to lift and break out a little bit break and push out a little bit further back eastwards. but just nofice further back eastwards. but just notice this stretch of cloud notice how this stretch of cloud across the midlands, south wales into country hangs on into the west country hangs on some uncertainty with this. but could little bit cooler day could be a little bit cooler day here compared tuesday. best here compared to tuesday. best of temperatures of the highest temperatures across in that sunnier zone across in that sunnier zone across scotland where we could see highs around about 25 degrees elsewhere, quite cool to end wednesday, particularly in the east of that cloud into the early hours of thursday morning . that cloud once again starts pushing its way westwards. best of the clear skies holding on across the north—west of the uk here. temperatures dipping into single figures elsewhere around 9 to ii celsius to take us into thursday morning. so a bit of a grey start. once again, a few spots of drizzle in the wind, but that cloud again lifts and breaks. hopefully it will push back bit further back a little bit further eastwards. quickly g on thursday, allowing more in the way sunny spells to develop. way of sunny spells to develop. nofice way of sunny spells to develop. notice the notice how wales in the south—west get the lion's share of the sunshine and temperatures

here in the low 20s staying fine and dry for friday and into the weekend. temperatures in the low 20s .

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