good evening. 12,000. no, i'm . good evening. 12,000. no, i'm not making— . good evening. 12,000. no, i'm not making it— . good evening. 12,000. no, i'm no. making it up— . good evening. 12,000. no, i'm not making it up 12,000- not making it up 12,000 albanians— not making it up 12,000 albanians that cross the english channel— albanians that cross the english channel have— albanians that cross the english channel have jumped their bail terms— channel have jumped their bail terms .— channel have jumped their bail terms . they-re— channel have jumped their bail terms . they're missing channel have jumped their bail terms. they're missing out channel have jumped their bail terms . they're missing out there terms. they're missing out there eemeweme m— terms. they're missing out there somewhere in the— terms. they're missing out there somewhere in the country as more and me— somewhere in the country as more and ef— somewhere in the country as more and of mem— somewhere in the country as more and more of them get found and get arrested— and more of them get found and get arrested for— and more of them get found and get arrested for serious crimes. wmm— get arrested for serious crimes. wmm meme— get arrested for serious crimes. what should be— get arrested for serious crimes. what should be done.7 plus dan memen— what should be done.7 plus dan weeeeem jeme— what should be done.7 plus dan wootton joins me— what should be done.7 plus dan wootton joins me again this evening— wootton joins me again this evening ee— wootton joins me again this evening to talk— wootton joins me again this evening to talk about the second part— evening to talk about the second pem ef— evening to talk about the second pm of me— evening to talk about the second part of the exclusive interview mm— part of the exclusive interview mm eememm— part of the exclusive interview with eamonn holmes, where he rerear— with eamonn holmes, where he reveaer wm— with eamonn holmes, where he reveals why phillip schofield ear— reveals why phillip schofield came out as gay. that and much m mer— came out as gay. that and much m r-aer a— came out as gay. that and much more in just a moment. but mer— more in just a moment. but rrrer, rere— more in just a moment. but first, let's get— more in just a moment. but first, let's get the news with remarr— first, let's get the news with

mermam emer— first, let's get the news with bethany elsey ._ first, let's get the news with bethany elsey . _ first, let's get the news with bethany elsey . \r 92; bethany elsey. nigel, thank you. good evening. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom. downing street has denied claims of a cover up over the release of former prime minister boris johnson's whatsapp messages to the covid inquiry. the inquiry has now extended the deadline for the government to hand over the unredacted messages to thursday . the cabinet office previously argued the material was irrelevant . the prime minister irrelevant. the prime minister has defended the government's approach, insisting that they are cooperating, but shadow chancellor wes streeting says he's withholding information . he's withholding information. he says he wants the government to he says he wants the government re eeeperare— he says he wants the government to cooperate with— he says he wants the government to cooperate with the inquiry, aar— to cooperate with the inquiry, bar me— to cooperate with the inquiry, but the government has been wrrmmerame— but the government has been withholding information . the withholding information. the mamm— withholding information. the inquiry mae— withholding information. the inquiry has asked for one mmare. — inquiry has asked for one minute. the— inquiry has asked for one minute. the government says that the minute. the government says that me meeeaeee— minute. the government says that the messages they— minute. the government says that the messages they have are rmmarerrar.— the messages they have are immaterial. the— the messages they have are immaterial. the next minute rmer-re— immaterial. the next minute mere-mer- immaterial. the next minute. they're -they - exist they're saying they don't exist . wear,— they're saying they don't exist . were-ire— they're saying they don't exist . well,-it.7 and - they're saying they don't exist . well, it.7 and i'm . well, which is it.7 and i'm afraid— . well, which is it.7 and i'm afraid me— . well, which is it.7 and i'm afraid the prime- . well, which is it.7 and i'm afraid the prime minister's errpaerrmeee— afraid the prime minister's slipperiness today has given all the impression— slipperiness today has given all the impression of— slipperiness today has given all the impression of someone who rem-r— the impression of someone who rem-r fully— the impression of someone who

isn't fully committed to transparent— isn't fully committed to transparent rac openness , transparent rac openness, accountability— transparent rac openness, accountability . c ”c: accountability. it's reported itv bosses are to be grilled by mps in parliament next week over their handling of phillip schofield's affair with a younger male colleague. schofield quit itv and was dropped by his agency after admitting to the affair. the scandal has brought accusations of a cover up, but the broadcaster insists it did investigate at the time . former investigate at the time. former this morning staff, including presenter eamonn holmes, has also alleged there was a toxic culture on the programme . a culture on the programme. a feminist professor has had her talk at oxford university interrupted by trans rights protesters earlier. the prime minister defended kathleen stock's right to give the speech , saying that debate is a hallmark of a tolerant society . hallmark of a tolerant society. but the university's lgbt q society says there standing up for trans rights protesters waved rainbow flags and one who wore a t shirt saying no more

dead trans kids glued herself to the floor outside the hall , the floor outside the hall, activist chrissy told gb news says trans people are treated differently. we says trans people are treated differently . we you listen to differently. we you listen to rear— differently. we you listen to mar phrase— differently. we you listen to that phrase itself,- differently. we you listen to that phrase itself, a- r: tijiflcg we you listen to that phrase itself, a debate aberr— that phrase itself, a debate about trans— that phrase itself, a debate about trans existence, trans meme. — about trans existence, trans meme. r— about trans existence, trans meme. r we— about trans existence, trans rights. if we were to talk about mack— rights. if we were to talk about mack reame— rights. if we were to talk about black people and— rights. if we were to talk about black people and debate your ereemeer— black people and debate your existence, how— black people and debate your existence, how would you feel if , you — existence, how would you feel if , you knew, — existence, how would you feel if ryou mew, reame— existence, how would you feel if , you know, people frame it as me— , you know, people frame it as the transgender— , you know, people frame it as the transgender issue, the rramegemaer— the transgender issue, the transgender debate, the trans queerrem— transgender debate, the trans queerrem .— transgender debate, the trans queerrem . r— transgender debate, the trans queerrem . r ae— transgender debate, the trans question . i as i— transgender debate, the trans question . i as i say, if we were question. i as i say, if we were to question. i as i say, if we were re aer— question. i as i say, if we were re aek mar— question. i as i say, if we were to ask that of— question. i as i say, if we were to ask that of black people or remem— to ask that of black people or jewish reame— to ask that of black people or jewish people, there would be earrage— jewish people, there would be earrage .— jewish people, there would be outrage . russia's— jewish people, there would be outrage . russia's president has outrage. russia's president has mamea— outrage. russia's president has blamed ukraine— outrage. russia's president has blamed ukraine for a rare drone armre— blamed ukraine for a rare drone errrke em— blamed ukraine for a rare drone strike on moscow,— blamed ukraine for a rare drone strike on moscow, labelling it as a terrorist— strike on moscow, labelling it as a terrorist activity . as a terrorist activity. the kremrm— as a terrorist activity. the kremlin claims it shot down all eight drones, which targeted civilian infrastructure. several buildings were damaged and at least two people were injured . least two people were injured. and meanwhile, ukraine has denied responsibility for the attack in moscow and its military claims to have intercepted more than 20 russian drones in the latest wave of

strikes on its capital, kyiv. it's the third time russia has struck kyiv in the past 24 hours. one person was killed in the capital and four others killed across ukraine. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's back to . now it's back to. nigel good evening . well, don't say good evening. well, don't say mar.— good evening. well, don't say mar. r— good evening. well, don't say mar. r dram-r— good evening. well, don't say that. i didn't warn— good evening. well, don't say that. i didn't warn you- c: " g well, don't say that. i didn't warn you because it that. i didn't warn you because rr began— that. i didn't warn you because n negan m— that. i didn't warn you because rr negan rn mne— that. i didn't warn you because it began in june and july last year— it began in june and july last year ae— it began in june and july last year as me— it began in june and july last year as the number of small neare— year as the number of small boats crossing— year as the number of small boats crossing the english cnanner— boats crossing the english channel increased, we noticed eemernrng— channel increased, we noticed something different about those in something different about those rn ane— something different about those in me neare- — something different about those in the boats. yes,— something different about those in the boats. yes, they were eranrng — in the boats. yes, they were eranrng re — in the boats. yes, they were starting to come— in the boats. yes, they were starting to come in ever increasing— starting to come in ever increasing numbers from albania . us,— increasing numbers from albania . us, emana— increasing numbers from albania . us, albania. albania to a corner— . us, albania. albania to a country which— . us, albania. albania to a country which is- . us, albania. albania to a country which is a holiday destination— country which is a holiday destination for— country which is a holiday destination for many, many nnrren— destination for many, many british people— destination for many, many british people .— destination for many, many british people . a country that british people. a country that is british people. a country that re an— british people. a country that is an applicant— british people. a country that is an applicant member, even of the is an applicant member, even of me european— is an applicant member, even of the european union, and from

men— the european union, and from which absolutely— the european union, and from which absolutely nobody should ne— which absolutely nobody should ne ame— which absolutely nobody should ever be able to— which absolutely nobody should ever be able to claim refugee earne— ever be able to claim refugee erarae. ana— ever be able to claim refugee status. and yet— ever be able to claim refugee status. and yet the numbers came and men— status. and yet the numbers came and men negr— status. and yet the numbers came and men near an— status. and yet the numbers came and they kept on coming and the governmenr— and they kept on coming and the government did— and they kept on coming and the government did precious little ana— government did precious little and n— government did precious little and n nae— government did precious little and n ee— government did precious little and it was so obvious from all me— and it was so obvious from all me adrena— and it was so obvious from all the adverts on— and it was so obvious from all the adverts on tiktok that these young— the adverts on tiktok that these young men— the adverts on tiktok that these young wee— the adverts on tiktok that these young men were coming. not every erngre— young men were coming. not every erngre ne— young men were coming. not every erngre nar— young men were coming. not every single one, but most— young men were coming. not every single one, but most of these young— single one, but most of these young men— single one, but most of these young wee— single one, but most of these young men were coming for one very— young men were coming for one very empre— young men were coming for one very simple reason— young men were coming for one very simple reason to work in me— very simple reason to work in me ruegar— very simple reason to work in the illegal crime— very simple reason to work in the illegal crime economy in mm— the illegal crime economy in mm eeanrrv. — the illegal crime economy in this country. well we learn reaav— this country. well we learn reaav rnar— this country. well we learn today that in— this country. well we learn today that in the first four mamm— today that in the first four menrne er— today that in the first four months of this— today that in the first four months of this year , 80 months of this year, 80 albanians— months of this year, 80 albanians that have come via rnar— albanians that have come via rnar reare— albanians that have come via that route have— albanians that have come via that route have been convicted in earn— that route have been convicted in earn an— that route have been convicted in court of crimes.— that route have been convicted in court of crimes. some of them verv— in court of crimes. some of them very serene.— in court of crimes. some of them very rm— in court of crimes. some of them very serious. i'm talking murder , rm— very serious. i'm talking murder , r-m rawrng— very serious. i'm talking murder , i'm talking rape,— very serious. i'm talking murder , i'm talking rape, i'm talking argumen— , i'm talking rape, i'm talking abduction. and— , i'm talking rape, i'm talking abduction. and of course , in the abduction. and of course, in the van— abduction. and of course, in the vaer mar-onw— abduction. and of course, in the vaer mar-enrv er— abduction. and of course, in the vast majority of cases running megaw— vast majority of cases running illegal cannabis— vast majority of cases running illegal cannabis farms as what if illegal cannabis farms as what n ma— illegal cannabis farms as what if that wasn't— illegal cannabis farms as what if that wasn't bad— illegal cannabis farms as what if that wasn't bad enough? just nave— if that wasn't bad enough? just nave a— if that wasn't bad enough? just nave a mine— if that wasn't bad enough? just have a think about this. you knew,— have a think about this. you knew, rear— have a think about this. you know, four years— have a think about this. you know, four years ago , albanians know, four years ago, albanians rne— know, four years ago, albanians rne rean— know, four years ago, albanians were the 16th highest category of were the 16th highest category or foreign— were the 16th highest category of foreign prisoner in british

greene— of foreign prisoner in british nneene .— of foreign prisoner in british prisons . they're— of foreign prisoner in british prisons . they're now the number prisons. they're now the number ana— prisons. they're now the number ana vea— prisons. they're now the number one. and you know,— prisons. they're now the number one. and you know, perhaps mar-e— one. and you know, perhaps rnar-e ne— one. and you know, perhaps that's no surprise to you , but that's no surprise to you, but me— that's no surprise to you, but me meer— that's no surprise to you, but the most biggest— that's no surprise to you, but the most biggest shock of all is war— the most biggest shock of all is rnar rzooo— the most biggest shock of all is that 12,000 albanians who crossed — that 12,000 albanians who crossed the _ that 12,000 albanians who crossed the english channel have maven— crossed the english channel have now broken their— crossed the english channel have now broken their bail terms. rnev-ve— now broken their bail terms. rnev-ve ear— now broken their bail terms. they've cut off— now broken their bail terms. they've cut off their tags or wnarever— they've cut off their tags or wnarever n— they've cut off their tags or whatever it may— they've cut off their tags or whatever it may be, and simply arsaggearea— whatever it may be, and simply disappeared and— whatever it may be, and simply disappeared and gone off in many,— disappeared and gone off in manyv manv— disappeared and gone off in many, many cases into criminal aerrvrrres— many, many cases into criminal aerrvrrres .— many, many cases into criminal activities . now,— many, many cases into criminal activities . now, look what i was activities. now, look what i was warning— activities. now, look what i was warnrng aneur— activities. now, look what i was warning about. this last summer. i warning about. this last summer. r — warning about. this last summer. rwas sauer— warning about. this last summer. i was called all— warning about. this last summer. i was called all the— warning about. this last summer. i was called all the names under the i was called all the names under me — i was called all the names under me new— i was called all the names under the sun. how dare— i was called all the names under the sun. how dare i— i was called all the names under the sun. how dare i pick out a specime— the sun. how dare i pick out a sneerne grann— the sun. how dare i pick out a specific group of— the sun. how dare i pick out a specific group of people and apply— specific group of people and apply by— specific group of people and apply by a_ specific group of people and 6my by a tag— specific group of people and apply by a tag like criminal to meme— apply by a tag like criminal to rneme nar— apply by a tag like criminal to rneme mm m— apply by a tag like criminal to them? but it was— apply by a tag like criminal to them? but it was obvious to me we srmgw— them? but it was obvious to me we were simply allowing enmrnars— we were simply allowing criminals to— we were simply allowing criminals to cross the channel. wnar— criminals to cross the channel. wnar annevea— criminals to cross the channel. what annoyed me— criminals to cross the channel. what annoyed me about it was not onw— what annoyed me about it was not any are— what annoyed me about it was not only are new— what annoyed me about it was not only are new ner— what annoyed me about it was not only did they not qualify for refugee— only did they not qualify for refugee status,— only did they not qualify for refugee status, but that the nrsr— refugee status, but that the we nerv— refugee status, but that the we aarv er— refugee status, but that the first duty of government is to defend— first duty of government is to defend rne— first duty of government is to defend the country and to make rrs— defend the country and to make rrs neopre— defend the country and to make sure its people are— defend the country and to make sure its people are safe, which clearly— sure its people are safe, which erearw rsn-r— sure its people are safe, which clearly isn't happening with rnese— clearly isn't happening with these albanian— clearly isn't happening with these albanian gangs. the gevernmenr— these albanian gangs. the

government in— these albanian gangs. the government in the end did take aeron— government in the end did take some action and— government in the end did take some action and a— government in the end did take some action and a thousand or so nrnanrans— some action and a thousand or so nrnanrans nave— some action and a thousand or so albanians have been deported bask— albanians have been deported naek re— albanians have been deported naek re rne— albanians have been deported back to the country. but what aneur— back to the country. but what anear rne — back to the country. but what about the 12,000 _ back to the country. but what about the 12,000 that have srmnkv— about the 12,000 that have srmgkv gene— about the 12,000 that have simply gone missing? and what aneur— simply gone missing? and what anear n— simply gone missing? and what about if more— simply gone missing? and what about if more starts to come in ne— about if more starts to come in me nem— about if more starts to come in me nekr rew— about if more starts to come in the next few months when the wearner— the next few months when the weather improves? i think the wneke— weather improves? i think the whole situation— weather improves? i think the whole situation is frankly appalling-— whole situation is frankly appalling- it_ whole situation is frankly appalling. it shows total gutlessness _ appalling. it shows total gutlessness from our government . ana— gutlessness from our government . and my— gutlessness from our government . and my question— gutlessness from our government . and my question to you is , . and my question to you is, wnar— . and my question to you is, what should— . and my question to you is, what should be— . and my question to you is, what should be done ? give me what should be done? give me wear— what should be done? give me your rneagnrs.— what should be done? give me your thoughts. give me your vews— your thoughts. give me your views . farage_ your thoughts. give me your views . farage at— your thoughts. give me your views . farage at gb news .com as views. farage at gb news .com as far as— views. farage at gb news .com as far as rm— views. farage at gb news .com as far as i'm concerned— views. farage at gb news .com as far as i'm concerned , anyone far as i'm concerned, anyone rnar— far as i'm concerned, anyone rnar semes— far as i'm concerned, anyone that comes across- far as i'm concerned, anyone that comes across the channel or in ne— that comes across the channel or in me bask— that comes across the channel or in me back an— that comes across the channel or in the back of a— that comes across the channel or in the back of a lorry from aknanra— in the back of a lorry from albania should— in the back of a lorry from albania should be deported back to albania should be deported back re mana— albania should be deported back to tirana within— albania should be deported back to tirana within 24— albania should be deported back to tirana within 24 hours. and if vea— to tirana within 24 hours. and if van ae— to tirana within 24 hours. and rr war as mg,— to tirana within 24 hours. and if you do that, you know something?— if you do that, you know something? they will stop . stop something? they will stop. stop coming.— something? they will stop. stop eemrng. wern— something? they will stop. stop coming. well, joining me to discuss— coming. well, joining me to discuss r— coming. well, joining me to discuss, i think— coming. well, joining me to discuss, i think this very deeply— discuss, i think this very deeply concerning situation is cnns— deeply concerning situation is chris phillips— deeply concerning situation is chris phillips ,_ deeply concerning situation is chris phillips , former head of chris phillips, former head of magma— chris phillips, former head of national counter—terror ism seearrrv— national counter—terror ism security office _ national counter—terror ism security office and detective emer— security office and detective chief inspector— security office and detective chief inspector of course, of me— chief inspector of course, of me ner— chief inspector of course, of me me n— chief inspector of course, of the met in those— chief inspector of course, of the met in those days . and, you

the met in those days. and, you knew— the met in those days. and, you knew .— the met in those days. and, you knew , cnns— the met in those days. and, you know , chris, you're— the met in those days. and, you know , chris, you're now in the know, chris, you're now in the mere— know, chris, you're now in the new er— know, chris, you're now in the field of international consultancy- field of international consultancy , but speaking with a consultancy, but speaking with a sen— consultancy, but speaking with a sen er— consultancy, but speaking with a sen er eeeeers— consultancy, but speaking with a sort of coppers hat— consultancy, but speaking with a sort of coppers hat on for a memem— sort of coppers hat on for a moment wasn't— sort of coppers hat on for a moment wasn't it obvious what naeeenrng— moment wasn't it obvious what was happening last year? / was happening last year? yeah, it was happening last year? yeah, re verv— was happening last year? yeah, re verv mnem— was happening last year? yeah, it very much was. _ was happening last year? yeah, it very much was. nigel- was happening last year? / c wig rt nigel and the it very much was. nigel and the ammun— it very much was. nigel and the difficult loyalty— it very much was. nigel and the difficult loyalty with _ l wig t nigel and the difficult loyalty with this sang-eer— difficult loyalty with this subject er— difficult loyalty with this subject, of course, is you eeeene— subject, of course, is you eeeeme vea— subject, of course, is you become you get called all sorts of become you get called all sorts er names— become you get called all sorts of names as you— become you get called all sorts of names as you as— become you get called all sorts of names as you as you have been for, of names as you as you have been g. rer— of names as you as you have been g. rer simply— of names as you as you have been for, for simply speaking the eevreas— for, for simply speaking the obvious truth.— for, for simply speaking the obvious truth. now, now many of rnese— obvious truth. now, now many of rnese eeeeke— obvious truth. now, now many of rnese eeeeke are— obvious truth. now, now many of these people are coming over not enkv— these people are coming over not enkv re— these people are coming over not enkv re mne— these people are coming over not enkv re fine a— these people are coming over not only to find a life— these people are coming over not only to find a life in— these people are coming over not only to find a life in the uk, ear— only to find a life in the uk, but specifically— only to find a life in the uk, but specifically to commit ana— but specifically to commit crime. and they're being brought by— crime. and they're being brought by me— crime. and they're being brought over by the crime— crime. and they're being brought over by the crime crime gangs in emer— over by the crime crime gangs in eraer re— over by the crime crime gangs in eraer re ae— over by the crime crime gangs in order to do that.— over by the crime crime gangs in order to do that. and in grammar,— order to do that. and in particular, drug dealing and arug— particular, drug dealing and drag arug— particular, drug dealing and drug drug manufacture etcetera. in drug drug manufacture etcetera. in me— drug drug manufacture etcetera. in me wk— drug drug manufacture etcetera. in me rrk .— drug drug manufacture etcetera. in me rrk . nar— drug drug manufacture etcetera. in the uk . but this is a this is in the uk. but this is a this is a r— in the uk. but this is a this is a major problem.— in the uk. but this is a this is a major problem. and i think wnar— a major problem. and i think wnar rne— a major problem. and i think what the people _ a major problem. and i think what the people of the uk don't rearw— what the people of the uk don't really understand— what the people of the uk don't really understand is that this enmrnakrrv— really understand is that this criminality is— really understand is that this criminality is ,_ really understand is that this criminality is , is, is such big criminality is, is, is such big esrness— criminality is, is, is such big business. it's— criminality is, is, is such big business. it's a— criminality is, is, is such big business. it's a corporate amen.— business. it's a corporate action. some— business. it's a corporate action. some of these businesses rnar— action. some of these businesses rnar rne— action. some of these businesses that the mafia— action. some of these businesses that the mafia networks that are seeing— that the mafia networks that are aerng rnrs— that the mafia networks that are aerng mm are— that the mafia networks that are doing this are huge and all encompassing—

doing this are huge and all encompassing and will deal with any rerm — encompassing and will deal with any rerm er— encompassing and will deal with any form of crime— encompassing and will deal with any form of crime that they can rnrnk— any form of crime that they can rnrnk rnev— any form of crime that they can rnrnk rnev san— any form of crime that they can think they can make some money out think they can make some money ear en— think they can make some money ear en — think they can make some money ear en ves.— think they can make some money ear en ves. r— think they can make some money out of. yes. i mean,— think they can make some money out of. yes. i mean, the- think they can make some money out of. y/rzis " g out of. yes. i mean, the illegal drugs trade is, you know, we're talking you know, a dark economy of billions and billions of pounds year some pounds a year. now, some say, ah, but be careful. a lot of these young men are being trafficked. so they can claim the modern slavery act to stop them deported . but, them being deported. but, i mean, it's difficult to see evidence of isn't it? evidence of that, isn't it? yeah, don't think they're yeah, i don't think they're being— yeah, i don't think they're being trafficked as much as they seme—eav- being trafficked as much as they seme—eav a- being trafficked as much as they seme—eav a keanl some of them will pay a loan, rake— some of them will pay a loan, rake a— some of them will pay a loan, rake a rean— some of them will pay a loan, take a loan out— some of them will pay a loan, take a loan out effectively from rnese— take a loan out effectively from these organisations, which will rnen— these organisations, which will rnenlneke— these organisations, which will then-held over— these organisations, which will then-held over-if- these organisations, which will then held over if they then be held over them. if they gen-r— then be held over them. if they aen-r-rer— then be held over them. if they don't-for them _ then be held over them. if they don't-for them ,- then be held over them. if they don't-for them , for- then be held over them. if they don't for them , for these don't work for them, for these organisations— don't work for them, for these organisations within the uk, rnar—rnree- organisations within the uk,| that—three and that would be the three and a narr— that would be the three and a nakr-aeress— that would be the three and a half-across the- that would be the three and a half across the channel half grand across the channel wean— half grand across the channel vean evasiv— half grand across the channel yeah, exactly. so— half grand across the channel yeah, exactly. so they'll be given— yeah, exactly. so they'll be given me— yeah, exactly. so they'll be given the three— yeah, exactly. so they'll be given the three and a half to gang— given the three and a half to grand-acress— given the three and a half to grand - across the - given the three and a half to grand across the channel. grand get across the channel. men— grand get across the channel. rnen—werk- grand get across the channel. then _work fori then they've got to work for rnese,— then they've got to work for nee-greases- then they've got to work for- these,-groups-they're then they've got to work for- th

eenemv— people working in the grey economy- know. people working in the grey economy know in the people working in the grey- economy-know in the in economy and you know in the in the economy and you know in the in me ear— economy and you know in the in the car washes— economy and you know in the in the car washes that— economy and you know in the in the car washes that we've seen rne — the car washes that we've seen across the country. _ the car washes that we've seen across the country. but some across the country. but but some of across the country. but but some er-reakkv— across the country. but but some er-reakkv nam— across the country. but but some of-really hard core,- of this is really hard core, vrekenr— of this is really hard core, violent crime. - of this is really hard core, violent crime. iv“ ” violent crime. mark white, our home affairs and security edhon home affairs and security editor, was up in east anglia the other day and the east anglian police were saying to him, we've seen a complete change in the last 3 to 4 years. suddenly the albania ins are running all the criminal activities they've edged out. perhaps other gangs that were there previously and there were a lot more violent and a lot more dangerous. chris what i'm told is that the albanian crime wave is being felt right across the country. yeah and to be fair, the country. yeah and to be ram is— the country. yeah and to be fair, it's also— the country. yeah and to be fair, it's also across- rtwir. “43?" and to be fair, it's also across the vena— fair, it's also across the world. this— fair, it's also across the world. this is- fair, it's also across the world. this is not just the uk's ear— world. this is not just the uk's issue, but it's— world. this is not just the uk's issue, but it's a— world. this is not just the uk's issue, but it's a big issue for nar— issue, but it's a big issue for ear ves— issue, but it's a big issue for us. but yes, it's— issue, but it's a big issue for us. but yes, it's not been named— us. but yes, it's not been easnea rnre— us. but yes, it's not been pushed into the into london. rnrs— pushed into the into london. rnrs rs— pushed into the into london. this is something that's been named— this is something that's been easnea ear— this is something that's been pushed out and— this is something that's been pushed out and i— this is something that's been pushed out and i believe sort of kenr— pushed out and i believe sort of kenr area— pushed out and i believe sort of kenr rs— pushed out and i believe sort of kent area is one— pushed out and i believe sort of kent area is one of— pushed out and i believe sort of kent area is one of the one of me— kent area is one of the one of me man— kent area is one of the one of the main areas— kent area is one of the one of the main areas for— kent area is one of the one of the main areas for them to get rnev-ve— the main areas for them to get rnev-ve ger— the main areas for them to get rnev-ve ger a— the main areas for them to get they've got a foothold. it's extraordinary— they've got a foothold. it's extraordinary on a broader vea— extraordinary on a broader issue, you know, we know that mere-s— issue, you know, we know that there's atrocities— issue, you know, we know that there's atrocities that were eemmrrrea— there's atrocities that were committed in—

there's atrocities that were committed in paris those 7 or 8 years— committed in paris those 7 or 8 years age. — committed in paris those 7 or 8 years age. or— committed in paris those 7 or 8 years ago. of the— committed in paris those 7 or 8 years ago. o” rzi g committed in paris those 7 or 8 years ago. o” vi 3 “iii“ committed in paris those 7 or 8 years ago. 0” vi 9 years ago. of the eight men that did it, five of the eight had crossed the mediterranean. we know that huge numbers that crossed the english channel. the majority throw away their passports , throw away their passports, throw away their iphones , is from iphones, is from a counterterrorism perspective of we do, of course, fingerprint people that cross. so we are able to weed out some potential terrorists. yes well, when we say— terrorists. yes well, when we saw ween— terrorists. yes well, when we saw weee rnem— terrorists. yes well, when we say weed them out,- t/vis well, when we say weed them out, what are we aerng— say weed them out, what are we aerng wrrn— say weed them out, what are we doing with them?— say weed them out, what are we doing with them? we're not we're not doing with them? we're not we're ner sensing— doing with them? we're not we're not sending them— doing with them? we're not we're not sending them back. we're keeping— not sending them back. we're keeerng enem— not sending them back. we're keeping them in— not sending them back. we're keeping them in the uk and rrvrng— keeping them in the uk and rrvrng re— keeping them in the uk and trying to trying— keeping them in the uk and trying to trying to turn them, if vea— trying to trying to turn them, if yer krke. — trying to trying to turn them, if you like. in— trying to trying to turn them, if you like. in reality, they're being— if you like. in reality, they're being released— if you like. in reality, they're being released into the communities- being released into the communities some being released into the- communities-some stage being released into the— communities-some stage in communities and at some stage in the communities and at some stage in rne—ge— communities and at some stage in rne—ge-ne- the future they'll go bad, no gener— the future they'll go bad, no eenm seme— the future they'll go bad, no doubt some them. and with doubt some of them. and with regard— doubt some of them. and with regard .terrorism _ doubt some of them. and with regard .terrorism ,- doubt some of them. and with regard terrorism , um, you regard to terrorism, um, you knew,— regard to terrorism, um, you knew, rr-s— regard to terrorism, um, you know, it's such— regard to terrorism, um, you know, it's such a— regard to terrorism, um, you know, it's such a heinous crime rnar— know, it's such a heinous crime rnar ene— know, it's such a heinous crime that one incident,— know, it's such a heinous crime that one incident, as we saw in rranenesrer,— that one incident, as we saw in rranenesrer, rs— that one incident, as we saw in manchester, is so— that one incident, as we saw in manchester, is so all consuming ana— manchester, is so all consuming and ner— manchester, is so all consuming and we're not talking about, you knew,— and we're not talking about, you know, someone being robbed here. wea— know, someone being robbed here. wee ee— know, someone being robbed here. wee ee rakkrng— know, someone being robbed here. we'd be talking about people being— we'd be talking about people being murdered— we'd be talking about people being murdered on a on a very large— being murdered on a on a very karge seake— being murdered on a on a very large scale. so— being murdered on a on a very large scale. so you know, we are

reakkv— large scale. so you know, we are reakkv ekavrng— large scale. so you know, we are really playing russian roulette wrrn— really playing russian roulette wrrn ear— really playing russian roulette with our with— really playing russian roulette with our with our— really playing russian roulette with our with our people and nkes— with our with our people and nkes rne— with our with our people and unless the government of wnarever— unless the government of whatever form _ unless the government of whatever form it is, does semernrng— whatever form it is, does something about this to deal wrrn— something about this to deal wrrn kne— something about this to deal with the nature— something about this to deal with the nature of this different _ with the nature of this different sort of crime than we're actually— different sort of crime than we're actually used to, then gerng— we're actually used to, then gerng re— we're actually used to, then we're going to have we're going to we're going to have we're going re nave— we're going to have we're going to have problems— we're going to have we're going to have problems in the future. so to have problems in the future. se ker-s— to have problems in the future. se ker-s ke— to have problems in the future. so let's be clear.— to have problems in the future. so let's be clear. _ to have problems in the future. so let's be clear. vi�*s to have problems in the future. so let's be clear. vi“~;fv so let's be clear. tens of thousands of young unidentified young males coming across the channel via traffickers every year into our country is a potential threat to national security. oh, most definitely it is, security. oh, most definitely it is ves.— security. oh, most definitely it is yes ana— security. oh, most definitely it is yes ana is— security. oh, most definitely it is, yes. and it's from - is, yes. and it's from a terrorism— is, yes. and it's from a terrorism perspective, but also nem— terrorism perspective, but also men a— terrorism perspective, but also men a enme— terrorism perspective, but also from a crime, because these crimes actually— from a crime, because these crimes actually has such an immen— crimes actually has such an rmeaer. vea— crimes actually has such an impact. you know, the horrendous nerern— impact. you know, the horrendous heroin addictions— impact. you know, the horrendous heroin addictions that we see in our heroin addictions that we see in errres— heroin addictions that we see in our cities, the _ heroin addictions that we see in our cities, the cocaine addictions,— our cities, the cocaine addictions, even the cannabis farms— addictions, even the cannabis rarms rnar— addictions, even the cannabis farms that are— addictions, even the cannabis farms that are popping up all rne— farms that are popping up all over the country,— farms that are popping up all over the country, big issues for keeak— over the country, big issues for local communities— over the country, big issues for local communities and of course, eemmanrrres— local communities and of course, communities aren't— local communities and of course, communities aren't set up to weak— communities aren't set up to weak wrrn— communities aren't set up to deal with it. _ communities aren't set up to deal with it. “43?“ t deal with it. yeah, because crime is not just a statistic. crime is innocent folk suffering neighbourhoods being devalued. people you know, being victims

of all sorts of whether it's mugging or break ins or whatever it is, crime affects real people, affects people's lives . people, affects people's lives. is how worried do you think the police forces around the country are about this? i think the eekree— are about this? i think the police forces— are about this? i think the police forces would - 57 i think the police forces would be very, very— police forces would be very, very concerned— police forces would be very, very concerned if you speak to rnem — very concerned if you speak to men quietly— very concerned if you speak to them quietly, they won't announce that. they won't announce that— announce that. they won't announce that to the public keease— announce that to the public keease rnev— announce that to the public because they know the issues rnar— because they know the issues rnar are— because they know the issues that are happening on their rank — that are happening on their turf. generally,— that are happening on their turf. generally, they don't reakkv— turf. generally, they don't reakkv-even- turf. generally, they don't really -even the - turf. generally, they don't really even the resources really have even the resources at really have even the resources ar-memenr— really have even the resources ar-memenr re— really have even the resources at moment to deal with what at the moment to deal with what rnev-ve —eerse- at the moment to deal with what they've _course, the l they've got. and of course, the kevek— they've got. and of course, the level-violence— they've got. and of course, the level-violence that- they've got. and of course, the level violence that we see, level of violence that we see, eanreakarkv— level of violence that we see, particularly .the - level of violence that we see, particularly the albanian particularly with the albanian mana— particularly with the albanian mana wee— particularly with the albanian mafia type crimes , is so high mafia type crimes, is so high rnar— mafia type crimes, is so high rnar rnev— mafia type crimes, is so high that they won't— mafia type crimes, is so high that they won't have the resources whatsoever to deal wrrn— resources whatsoever to deal wrrn mem.— resources whatsoever to deal with them. and— resources whatsoever to deal with them. and this is this is saun— with them. and this is this is sran rnar— with them. and this is this is stuff that not— with them. and this is this is stuff that not only permeates kne— stuff that not only permeates across the - but- stuff that not only permeates across the but these same across the uk, but these same genes— across the uk, but these same greaes wrkk— across the uk, but these same greaes wrkk ke— across the uk, but these same groups will be linked with eekemkra— groups will be linked with eekemkra .— groups will be linked with colombia . they'll be linked, colombia. they'll be linked, even linked— colombia. they'll be linked, even linked china. and all even linked in china. and all sens— even linked in china. and all sens er— even linked in china. and all sorts of places,— even linked in china. and all sorts of places, bringing in all sens— sorts of places, bringing in all senslerner— sorts of places, bringing in all sorts other crimes. and of sorts of other crimes. and of course, - prostitute - sorts of other crimes. and of course, prostitute is an course, the prostitute is an issue— course, the prostitute is an rssaelwekk— course, the prostitute is an issue-well, is- course, the prostitute is an issue-well, is a- course, the prostitute is an issue well, is a huge issue as well, is a huge erekkem— issue as well, is a huge problem. and- issue as well, is a huge problem. and that's again, krnkea— problem. and that's again, inked—re- problem. and that's again, linked _to the. problem. and that's again,- linked _to the albanian linked very much to the albanian mana— linked very much to the albanian mana gangs. — linked very much to the albanian mafia gangs. and— linked very much to the albanian mafia gangs. “v: linked very much to the albanian mafia gangs. ' “v: t: linked very much to the albanian mafia gangs. “v: t: mafia gangs. and we noticed last summer first time, young

summer for the first time, young single teenage girls crossing in some of the boats. we'd never seen this before, not since this really began in 2019. and it didn't take much working out to think where some these young think where some of these young women well end up. well, women may well end up. well, chris, you i'm sure you're chris, you know, i'm sure you're right. sure the police right. i'm sure the police are quietly concerned, we'll quietly concerned, but we'll never word in public. our never say a word in public. our politicians talk endlessly around this subject, don't seem to find any solutions. around this subject, don't seem to find any solutions . eyes around this subject, don't seem to find any solutions. eyes on the situation just seems to get worse. if you were in charge, chris phillips, what would you do ? well, first things first. do? well, first things first. rr-s— do? well, first things first. rr-s rne — do? well, first things first. it's the people— v:viv7 well, first things first. it's the people that really samen— it's the people that really suffer from _ it's the people that really suffer from this are the people anar— suffer from this are the people rnar krve— suffer from this are the people rnar krve kn— suffer from this are the people that live in our— suffer from this are the people that live in our inner cities ana— that live in our inner cities and n— that live in our inner cities and in me— that live in our inner cities and in the communities. you knew,— and in the communities. you knew, me— and in the communities. you know, the people that live in rskrngren— know, the people that live in islington and _ know, the people that live in islington and other locations gen-r— islington and other locations aen-r-aen-r- islington and other locations don't-don't have. islington and other locations don't don't have the don't have the don't have the readers— don't have the don't have the leaders live.— don't have the don't have the leaders live. they— don't have the don't have the leaders live. they don't they gen-r— leaders live. they don't they aen-r surfer— leaders live. they don't they don't suffer the _ leaders live. they don't they don't suffer the problems that eeeeke— don't suffer the problems that eeeeke vea— don't suffer the problems that people you know, i've worked in ekaenam— people you know, i've worked in ekaenam-akk- people you know, i've worked in clapham - all these - clapham, brixton, all these ekaees— clapham, brixton, all these ekaees-are— clapham, brixton, all these places,-are the- clapham, brixton, all these places, are the ones that places, they are the ones that suffering— places, they are the ones that are suffering-this- places, they are the ones that are suffering this this are suffering from this this rnrs— are suffering from this this rnrs group— are suffering from this this rnrs greae er— are suffering from this this this group of people that are eemrng— this group of people that are coming-you— this group of people that are coming-you-over. this group of people that are coming you over the coming in. you know, over the kasr— coming in. you know, over the kasr ren— coming in. you know, over the kasr ren wears— coming in. you know, over the last ten years, probably. but we do last ten years, probably. but we we nave— last ten years, probably. but we

we nave re— last ten years, probably. but we do have to have— last ten years, probably. but we do have to have a— last ten years, probably. but we do have to have a more national keea— do have to have a more national rzea eekree— do have to have a more national ized police force.— do have to have a more national ized police force. i— do have to have a more national ized police force. i think the new— ized police force. i think the new rs— ized police force. i think the nca is there. _ ized police force. i think the nca is there. it— ized police force. i think the nca is there. it you know, it weks— nca is there. it you know, it wk kar— nca is there. it you know, it works, but it— nca is there. it you know, it works, but it needs to be keesrea— works, but it needs to be keesrea ae— works, but it needs to be boosted up because the type of enme— boosted up because the type of rnar— boosted up because the type of crime that we're— boosted up because the type of crime that we're going to be aeakrng— crime that we're going to be aeakrng wrrn— crime that we're going to be dealing with does need a more fbi dealing with does need a more rnr wee— dealing with does need a more rnr rvee eekrerng— dealing with does need a more fbi type policing system to deal wran— fbi type policing system to deal wrrn rnar. — fbi type policing system to deal with that. and— fbi type policing system to deal with that. and local police rees— with that. and local police forces aren't— with that. and local police forces aren't really aren't set up forces aren't really aren't set we re— forces aren't really aren't set we re re— forces aren't really aren't set we re re akke— forces aren't really aren't set up to be able to— forces aren't really aren't set up to be able to deal with rnese.— up to be able to deal with rnese. ekav— up to be able to deal with rnese. okav — up to be able to deal with those. okay ll those. okay chris phillips, as even those. okay chris phillips, as ever, thank you for coming in and joining me here on gb news. and i'm sorry if that story is a bit depressing and i'm sorry if you think i'm saying i told you so, but i jolly well did. and i think this is serious and this is impacting the lives tens is impacting the lives of tens of thousands of innocent people around our country. it is a complete and absolute disgrace and makes me very, very angry, though i do try to hide it. in a moment i'll be joined by dan wootton. he will tonight show the second part of his exclusive interview with eamonn holmes in which eamonn tells us why. interview with eamonn holmes in which eamonn tells us why . and which eamonn tells us why. and he was part of it, which eamonn tells us why. and he was part of it , tells us why. he was part of it, tells us why. phillip schofield came out as

93v- phillip schofield came out as gay. it was, of course, because the story was about to break in the story was about to break in the national press. this reveals the national press. this reveals the sheer cynicism of itv , the the sheer cynicism of itv, the national press, schofield himself, and why eamonn holmes feels he was taken for a complete fool. all of that in a couple of

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two their career graft way, two and their career graft way, knowing her faults. they are. i'm sure they've rehearsed it for so this has been for days. so this has been ekannea— for days. so this has been ekannea rer— for days. so this has been planned for some- : so this has been planned for some it's been ekannea— planned for some it's been planned-some- planned for some it's been planned some time and it planned for some time and it rnen— planned for some time and it then materialises as obviously planned for some time and it theis�*naterialises as obviously planned for some time and it theis notarialises as obviously planned for some time and it theis notarialisit as obviously planned for some time and it theis notarialisit seems iously planned for some time and it theis notarialisit seems because all is not what it seems because he all is not what it seems because ne nas— all is not what it seems because he has obviously— all is not what it seems because he has obviously done a deal wrrn— he has obviously done a deal wrrn rne— he has obviously done a deal with the newspaper to give a er— with the newspaper to give a version of what— with the newspaper to give a version of what the newspaper knew— version of what the newspaper knew .— version of what the newspaper knew . ana — version of what the newspaper knew . ana kr— version of what the newspaper knew . and it was— version of what the newspaper knew . and it was all a bit weird knew. and it was all a bit weird . g..— knew. and it was all a bit weird . dan wootton— knew. and it was all a bit weird . dan wootton joins- knew. and it was all a bit weird . dan wootton joins me- knew. and it was all a bit weird . dan wootton joins me again. dan, that was eamonn dan, that was euamonn holmes dan, that was eamonn holmes ekeesrng— dan, that was eamonn holmes eveesrng rne— dan, that was eamonn holmes exposing the cynicism , um, with exposing the cynicism, um, with wnren— exposing the cynicism, um, with wnren rnrs— exposing the cynicism, um, with which this morning as a program aeakr— which this morning as a program aeakr wrrn— which this morning as a program dealt with this— which this morning as a program dealt with this with which itv akkewea— dealt with this with which itv allowed them _ dealt with this with which itv allowed them to— dealt with this with which itv allowed them to behave that way . rne— allowed them to behave that way . rne wav— allowed them to behave that way . rne wav rn— allowed them to behave that way . the way in which— allowed them to behave that way . the way in which the sun newspaper— . the way in which the sun newspaper worked with the eregramme— newspaper worked with the programme. and again , it's one programme. and again, it's one of programme. and again, it's one er rnese— programme. and again, it's one of those things— programme. and again, it's one of those things you know, i knew ekaerkv— of those things you know, i knew ekaerkv wnv— of those things you know, i knew ekaerkv why nea— of those things you know, i knew exactly why he'd come out as gay,— exactly why he'd come out as gay. kar— exactly why he'd come out as gay. ear ems— exactly why he'd come out as gay, but this will— exactly why he'd come out as gay, but this will be a shock to the gay, but this will be a shock to me eeeeke. — gay, but this will be a shock to me eeeeke. rs— gay, but this will be a shock to the people. is it?— gay, but this will be a shock to the people. is it? just explain ekaerkv— the people. is it? just explain ekaerkv wnar— the people. is it? just explain exactly what happened here. knees.— exactly what happened here. indeed, because— exactly what happened here. indeed, because this- exactly what happened here. indeed, because this is- exactly what happened here. indeed, because this is a key part of the story, isn't it? so there is this event, the national television awards, where there is some sort of incident. this is january

incident. this is in january 2020, where this young runner can fronts. phillip confronts holly, confronts a number of itv executives in front of all the media, front of all of the media, front of all of the media, including me, saw it with my own eyes that that night, nigel and so clearly itv bosses knew there was a big problem . knew there was a big problem. there needed to be some serious damage control. and within just a week you've got schofield on the sofa coming out. now what? eamonn reveals tonight is his absolute fury at being part of this sham . he says he was lied this sham. he says he was lied to by him and ruth were not told about what was going on until just a couple of hours beforehand and what was going on was the sun was about to run a massive expose about the relationship with this young boy. exactly . see, what had boy. not exactly. see, what had happenedis boy. not exactly. see, what had happened is that i, by that point had moved into a different role at the sun, and a decision had been made for the newspaper to have a closer relationship with itv. and as part of that closer relationship, they were

offered ringside seats and an exclusive interview for this coming up announcement as a result of hinckley, they wouldn't run a story about the young runner, but it was actually something that was prompted by philip. he's a crafty guy. you know, he thought ineed crafty guy. you know, he thought i need to get the biggest tabloid newspaper in the country on my side they're going to on my side if they're going to swallow story. but what was swallow this story. but what was particularly shocking, i think, for eamonn in all of this is that he was used us and he feels used. and he says now because he's been hit all the time, him and ruth have been hit all the time with these pictures of him hugging phillip and supporting phillip . and he says he feels phillip. and he says he feels embarrassed and ashamed when he sees because it was pre—planned , it was cynical and it was done for a reason, of course. and there's an amazing part of the interview , nigel, which we will interview, nigel, which we will show later on my show tonight, where that philip was where he says that philip was acting that whole day and he says he walks into his dressing room first in the morning, room first thing in the morning, throws himself onto knees in

throws himself onto his knees in front of eamonn and starts sobbing , saying, front of eamonn and starts sobbing, saying, i'm front of eamonn and starts sobbing , saying, i'm gay front of eamonn and starts sobbing, saying, i'm gay. front of eamonn and starts sobbing, saying, i'm gay . and sobbing, saying, i'm gay. and eamonn says, who cares? move on, mate. but look, it's it just shows. i think that what we often see on that sofa where increasingly learning is not the reality and that's what's going to shock the public so much. lots of breaking developments on this story tonight, aren't there aren't there just so we're now seeing a story that says scott field's lover was paid off by itv after shane star's affair rear ended. what do we know aneur— rear ended. what do we know akear mare— rear ended. what do we know about that? well,— ”cir?” vi :: what do we know about that? well, indeed, an itv are about that? well, indeed, an itv earrenrkv— about that? well, indeed, an itv are currently stonewalling the naiv— are currently stonewalling the narkv nak— are currently stonewalling the raw rrark en— are currently stonewalling the daily mail on that. “vig viii daily mail on that. they are inse— daily mail on that. they are just hiding behind the statement that they sent on saturday. that's not going to hold because remember, there's an itv executive going have to executive who's going to have to go of select go in front of the select committee tuesday face committee on tuesday and face mps. so you can't just say we're not answering this question. so there's a big scandal brewing about who knew about this

payoff, how much did he receive? was any money coming directly from philip or did it all come from philip or did it all come from itv? and then you've got this very woke chief executive , this very woke chief executive, carolyn mccall, who is holier than thou. you know, if you're piers morgan questioning meghan or you're carol mcgiffin questioning the covid vaccines, you're booted off that channel immediately. now today i've actually obtained an email which was sent to carolyn mccall by a former this morning staff member in march sorry, in february 2020, revealing all of the details about what this relationship with the young runner, including a link to a whole load of pictures showing philip and this young man together are itv today refused together are itv today refused to tell me if it was that email that prompted their so—called old failed investigation . we old failed investigation. we know it failed because they swallowed these lies from phillip schofield. so i wonder, i wonder who will appear next

tuesday morning before the dcms committee. well, carolyn mccall, you know, is the chief you know, she is the chief executive a publicly executive of a publicly listed company. she'll go? company. do you think she'll go? i don't she i absolutely don't think she will. will but she will. she will go. but she should go. she should go. i mean, this is a woman who has held so many others to account , held so many others to account, hasn't given anyone a second chance. and she believes she chance. and now she believes she can sit in her ivory tower and hide behind a pathetic statement which has been proven to be untrue. i mean, you know, we haven't heard anything from itv, nigel, since saturday. kay, this is the biggest scandal that this broadcaster has faced in a generation. and broadcaster has faced in a generation . and as you say, generation. and as you say, srerv— generation. and as you say, srerv arrer— generation. and as you say, story after story— q“ and as you say, story after story breaking akmesr— story after story breaking almost still— story after story breaking almost still hour by hour. a rneagnr— almost still hour by hour. a rneagnr en— almost still hour by hour. a thought on holly willoughby. you knew.— thought on holly willoughby. you knew. ramenn— thought on holly willoughby. you know, eamonn was— thought on holly willoughby. you know, eamonn was pretty clear rnar— know, eamonn was pretty clear rnar ne— know, eamonn was pretty clear that he didn't— know, eamonn was pretty clear that he didn't believe her. i n— that he didn't believe her. i n r— that he didn't believe her. i mean, if i knew— that he didn't believe her. i mean, if i knew that this relationship— mean, if i knew that this relationship was going on and the relationship was going on and me eemrng— relationship was going on and the coming out— relationship was going on and the coming out as gay thing was a mem— the coming out as gay thing was arrenr ana— the coming out as gay thing was a mem and a— the coming out as gay thing was a front and a cover,— the coming out as gay thing was a front and a cover, frankly, rer— a front and a cover, frankly, rer kr— a front and a cover, frankly, rer n akk— a front and a cover, frankly, for it all, if— a front and a cover, frankly, for it all, if i— a front and a cover, frankly, for it all, if i knew it, holly wrkkeagnev— for it all, if i knew it, holly willoughby must have known it. and ems— willoughby must have known it. and we rs— willoughby must have known it. and this is the— willoughby must have known it. and this is the difficulty. - willoughby must have known it. and this is the difficulty. she is due to return to that sofa on monday. and now whole load of

monday. and now a whole load of pictures have emerged with holly and man. now, in and this young man. now, in fairness holly, she was the fairness to holly, she was the person who the ball person who started the ball rolling this wasn't itv who person who started the ball roll rid this wasn't itv who person who started the ball roll rid of this wasn't itv who person who started the ball roll rid of phillip/asn't itv who person who started the ball roll rid of phillip schofield who got rid of phillip schofield from sofa. was only from that sofa. it was only holly willoughby because she made the bosses that made it clear to the bosses that she was not going to work with the anymore . but did she the man anymore. but did she swallow lie? was swallow and accept his lie? was she genuine holly misled, or was there a case of wilful blindness? because i think this is very clear now is becoming a very clear now that there was wilful blindness from itv. now, they were going to blame it on on incompetence. aren't they? but eamonn said last night that it is a cover up when you work as closely with a colleague as she did with phillip schofield. it is impossible. prior- ll t i: it is impossible. prior to i t vi: it is impossible. prior to that phillip schofield. it is- impossible. prior to that coming out impossible. prior to that coming ear enaraae— impossible. prior to that coming out charade that— impossible. prior to that coming out charade that she that she eeaka— out charade that she that she eeaka ner— out charade that she that she could not have— out charade that she that she could not have known what the 16 year— could not have known what the 16 year eke— could not have known what the 16 year eke kev— could not have known what the 16 year eke key was— could not have known what the 16 year old boy was on— could not have known what the 16 year old boy was on the sofa making— year old boy was on the sofa making videos— year old boy was on the sofa making videos with holly and rnrk — making videos with holly and rnrk se— making videos with holly and rnrk so are— making videos with holly and phil. so did he— making videos with holly and phil. so did he spin- making videos with holly and phil. v: v: “ making videos with holly and phil. so did he spin her some sort of web of lies about who he was? it is difficult for holly. i feel for her in some ways,

though, nigel, because this was her worst nightmare. this is exactly what she feared. and she's a very popular- vikoirtlg fiatviv: and she's a very popular figure. vean. — she's a very popular figure. vean. kna— she's a very popular figure. yeah. and that's- she's a very popular figure. yeah. '“v: she's a very popular figure. yeah. ' “v: she's a very popular figure. yeah. '“v: ”vi: yeah. and that's why she tried to break free from him and lots of breaking free from of people breaking free from phillip the phillip schofield tonight, the prince's king has now prince's trust, the king has now cut all relationships with phillip schofield in the past houn phillip schofield in the past hour. this is quite significant . it you'll remember phillip schofield was the chosen one. he actually got to interview the late duke of edinburgh for a big tv special. so he's always been very close to royalty and obviously his brad now. so tainted that charles has tainted that king charles has decided it's simply impossible for him to continue. well, you know , you for him to continue. well, you knew . vea mav— for him to continue. well, you know , you may well- “ vt.viv“ well, you know , you may well think there know, you may well think there are know, you may well think there erner— know, you may well think there erner erg— know, you may well think there are other big political issues rnar— are other big political issues rnar marker.— are other big political issues that matter, but— are other big political issues that matter, but this really is the that matter, but this really is me srerv— that matter, but this really is me srerv rnar— that matter, but this really is the story that is— that matter, but this really is the story that is dominating evervrnrng. — the story that is dominating everything. didn't even everything. and i didn't even knew— everything. and i didn't even knew r— everything. and i didn't even know i didn't— everything. and i didn't even know i didn't even know what dan just know i didn't even know what dan iasr rere— know i didn't even know what dan iasr reka me— know i didn't even know what dan just told me, that— know i didn't even know what dan just told me, that the prince's nasa— just told me, that the prince's rrasr nae— just told me, that the prince's trust had now— just told me, that the prince's trust had now broken away as wekk— trust had now broken away as wekk se— trust had now broken away as wekk se kers— trust had now broken away as well. so lots more— trust had now broken away as well. so lots more to come on rnrs— well. so lots more to come on we .— well. so lots more to come on we . nar— well. so lots more to come on we . en en— well. so lots more to come on this. but gb news— well. so lots more to come on this. but gb news completely keaarng— this. but gb news completely keaarng rne— this. but gb news completely leading the way— this. but gb news completely leading the way on this story in in, leading the way on this story in in r— leading the way on this story in in r rnrnk— leading the way on this story in

in, i think the— leading the way on this story in in, i think the most astonishing wav— in, i think the most astonishing wav. srav— in, i think the most astonishing wav. srav wrrn— in, i think the most astonishing way. stay with us— in, i think the most astonishing way. stay with us this evening . way. stay with us this evening. srav— way. stay with us this evening. srav wrrn— way. stay with us this evening. stay with jacob. _ way. stay with us this evening. stay with jacob. more to come nem— stay with jacob. more to come rrem nan— stay with jacob. more to come from dan wootton— stay with jacob. more to come from dan wootton later and no gener— from dan wootton later and no eenm rr-kk— from dan wootton later and no doubt it'll dominate the newspapers— doubt it'll dominate the newspapers tomorrow. now, you knew.— newspapers tomorrow. now, you knew. r— newspapers tomorrow. now, you knew. r enem— newspapers tomorrow. now, you know, i often talk— newspapers tomorrow. now, you know, i often talk on this show aneur— know, i often talk on this show akear rew— know, i often talk on this show about tory incom _ know, i often talk on this show about tory incom competence, the way— about tory incom competence, the way knew-re— about tory incom competence, the way they're mismanaging the eeenemv nar— way they're mismanaging the economy. but i— way they're mismanaging the economy. but i think the evraenee— economy. but i think the evidence is— economy. but i think the evidence is mounting that labour weake— evidence is mounting that labour weake ke— evidence is mounting that labour weake be even— evidence is mounting that labour would be even worse. in a moment we arseass— would be even worse. in a moment we arseass rnerr— would be even worse. in a moment we discuss their completely by karmv— we discuss their completely by karmv keea— we discuss their completely by barmy idea for— we discuss their completely by barmy idea for what our pension runes— barmy idea for what our pension funds sneake— barmy idea for what our pension funds should do— barmy idea for what our pension funds should do with your

it. i'm not afraid to ask the questions that you really want answered. three till 6 pm. monday to friday on . gb news. monday to friday on. gb news. so as i say, i've often been enneak— so as i say, i've often been enneak r— so as i say, i've often been critical. i haven't- so as i say, i've often been critical. i haven't been very, very— critical. i haven't been very, very enneak— critical. i haven't been very, very critical of— critical. i haven't been very, very critical of the government on very critical of the government en eensrens— very critical of the government on pensions and— very critical of the government on pensions and at the moment rm— on pensions and at the moment rm gerng— on pensions and at the moment rm gerng re— on pensions and at the moment rm gerng re rekk— on pensions and at the moment i'm going to tell you just how mae— i'm going to tell you just how maa rne— i'm going to tell you just how mad the whole— i'm going to tell you just how mad the whole thing is. but this reakkv— mad the whole thing is. but this one's really interesting. sir rarrrek— one's really interesting. sir patrick remember one's really interesting. sir- patrick-remember him? patrick vallance, remember him? he_screens almost. patrick vallance, remember him? he day. screens almost patrick vallance, remember him? he day. there:reens almost patrick vallance, remember him? he day. there heens almost patrick vallance, remember him? he day. there he waslmost patrick vallance, remember him? he day. there he was witht every day. there he was with envis— every day. there he was with ems-ane— every day. there he was with chris-and of- every day. there he was with chris and of course with chris whitty and of course with the chris whitty and of course with me enme— chris whitty and of course with the prime minister or indeed wran— the prime minister or indeed wrrn rne— the prime minister or indeed with the man— the prime minister or indeed with the man that ran health, narr— with the man that ran health, matt hancock,— with the man that ran health, matt hancock, in— with the man that ran health, matt hancock, in those days. and he matt hancock, in those days. and ne was— matt hancock, in those days. and ne rne—

matt hancock, in those days. and he was the government's chief serenrrne— he was the government's chief scientific officer— he was the government's chief scientific officer .— he was the government's chief scientific officer . so a guy, scientific officer. so a guy, you— scientific officer. so a guy, ven knew.— scientific officer. so a guy, ven knew. a— scientific officer. so a guy, you know, a really had a really, reakkv— you know, a really had a really, really important— you know, a really had a really, really important role throughout the really important role throughout rne eandemke— really important role throughout the pandemic. but what is really rnreresrrng— the pandemic. but what is really rnreresrrng rs— the pandemic. but what is really interesting is that— the pandemic. but what is really interesting is that he and erners— interesting is that he and erners ana— interesting is that he and others and others, in fact, dame nrngnam— others and others, in fact, dame nrngnam. rne— others and others, in fact, dame bingham, the woman responsible for bingham, the woman responsible rer wnar— bingham, the woman responsible rer wnar was— bingham, the woman responsible for what was seen— bingham, the woman responsible for what was seen to be a very saeeessrak— for what was seen to be a very successful vaccine _ for what was seen to be a very successful vaccine rollout, eenarnkv— successful vaccine rollout, certainly compared had to nemekrs— certainly compared had to members of— certainly compared had to members of the european union . members of the european union. kern— members of the european union. nern er— members of the european union. nern er rnem— members of the european union. both of them are— members of the european union. both of them are now saying mavke— both of them are now saying maybe we— both of them are now saying maybe we need— both of them are now saying maybe we need to rethink drugs new. — maybe we need to rethink drugs new. rr-s— maybe we need to rethink drugs new. rr-s nanny.— maybe we need to rethink drugs now. it's funny, isn't it, keease— now. it's funny, isn't it, because our— now. it's funny, isn't it, because our first item tonight aneur— because our first item tonight was about albanian criminal gangs,— was about albanian criminal gangs. aneur— was about albanian criminal gangs, about cannabis farms. and if vea— gangs, about cannabis farms. and if ven rnrnk— gangs, about cannabis farms. and if you think about— gangs, about cannabis farms. and if you think about it, drugs play— if you think about it, drugs play a_ if you think about it, drugs play a massive— if you think about it, drugs play a massive role in our krves— play a massive role in our lives, whether— play a massive role in our lives, whether it's illegal drugs— lives, whether it's illegal drugs ana— lives, whether it's illegal drugs and the- lives, whether it's illegal drugs and the crime that goes wrrn— drugs and the crime that goes wrrn rnem— drugs and the crime that goes wrrn rnem er— drugs and the crime that goes with them or whether it's legal drags— with them or whether it's legal arags .— with them or whether it's legal arags . ana— with them or whether it's legal drugs . and what— with them or whether it's legal drugs . and what we take and what drugs. and what we take and what and wnar— drugs. and what we take and what and wnar gers— drugs. and what we take and what and what gets given to us on on ereserkekken— and what gets given to us on on prescription. now,— and what gets given to us on on prescription. now, there's been a aksekarekv— prescription. now, there's been a absolutely huge increase in ms— a absolutely huge increase in we eeanrrv— a absolutely huge increase in we eeanrrv .— a absolutely huge increase in this country , the— a absolutely huge increase in this country , the number of this country, the number of eeeeke— this country, the number of eeeeke eerng— this country, the number of people being given antidepressants , something like antidepressants, something like 6.5 antidepressants, something like es mrkkren— antidepressants, something like 6.5 million people are

prescribed— 6.5 million people are prescribed with antidepressants. and prescribed with antidepressants. ana rm— prescribed with antidepressants. and in very— prescribed with antidepressants. and i'm very struck that many of rnese— and i'm very struck that many of rnese eeeeke— and i'm very struck that many of those people that— and i'm very struck that many of those people that get these prescriptions— those people that get these prescriptions and repeat prescription— prescriptions and repeat prescription ones that go on year— prescription ones that go on year arrer— prescription ones that go on year after year— prescription ones that go on year after year never actually get— year after year never actually ger anv— year after year never actually ger any server— year after year never actually ger anv eerrer .— year after year never actually get any better . it's as if the get any better. it's as if the pharmaceutical— get any better. it's as if the pharmaceutical industry makes krkkrens— pharmaceutical industry makes billions giving— pharmaceutical industry makes billions giving us drugs that may— billions giving us drugs that may rn— billions giving us drugs that may in rne— billions giving us drugs that may in the short term make us reek— may in the short term make us reek skrgnrkv— may in the short term make us feel slightly better. but don't make— feel slightly better. but don't make as— feel slightly better. but don't make us better.— feel slightly better. but don't make us better. so this absolutely— make us better. so this absolutely revolutionary idea nem— absolutely revolutionary idea rrem sk— absolutely revolutionary idea from sir patrick— absolutely revolutionary idea from sir patrick vallance and erners— from sir patrick vallance and erners rnar— from sir patrick vallance and others that may— from sir patrick vallance and others that may be lsd should be given— others that may be lsd should be given re— others that may be lsd should be given re as— others that may be lsd should be grven re as en— others that may be lsd should be given to us on the— others that may be lsd should be given to us on the national neakrn— given to us on the national health service— given to us on the national health service .— given to us on the national health service . now, i know that health service. now, i know that senes— health service. now, i know that sounds absolutely— health service. now, i know that sounds absolutely crazy and eemekerekv— sounds absolutely crazy and completely and— sounds absolutely crazy and completely and utterly bonkers , completely and utterly bonkers, but completely and utterly bonkers, ear er— completely and utterly bonkers, ear er eese— completely and utterly bonkers, but of course there are many, many— but of course there are many, many drugs— but of course there are many, many drugs that— but of course there are many, many drugs that are illegal but use many drugs that are illegal but meareakkv— many drugs that are illegal but use medically in— many drugs that are illegal but use medically in the right doses mrgnr— use medically in the right doses mrgnr mrgnr— use medically in the right doses mrgnr mrgnr iasr— use medically in the right doses might might just have some eesrnve— might might just have some positive effects. _ might might just have some positive effects. well joining me re— positive effects. well joining me now to discuss this subject is akev— me now to discuss this subject is akev nkes.— me now to discuss this subject is alex piot, director of

research at— is alex piot, director of research at the conservative drag— research at the conservative drag renew— research at the conservative drug policy reform group. now, akev— drug policy reform group. now, akev. rm— drug policy reform group. now, area. in ner— drug policy reform group. now, alex, i'm not going to talk aneur— alex, i'm not going to talk about decriminalisation or ernerwrse— about decriminalisation or otherwise of— about decriminalisation or otherwise of cannabis or anvrnrng— otherwise of cannabis or anything else,- otherwise of cannabis or anything else, but what i really am interested— anything else, but what i really am interested in— anything else, but what i really am interested in is the perenrrak— am interested in is the potential medical positive eneers— potential medical positive eneers er— potential medical positive effects of lsd _ potential medical positive effects of lsd or indeed of magre— effects of lsd or indeed of magic mushrooms. i'm beginning to magic mushrooms. i'm beginning re enge— magic mushrooms. i'm beginning re enae .— magic mushrooms. i'm beginning re enae . vea— magic mushrooms. i'm beginning to wonder , you know, did prince to wonder, you know, did prince harry— to wonder, you know, did prince harry nave— to wonder, you know, did prince harry nave a— to wonder, you know, did prince harry have a point— to wonder, you know, did prince harry have a point ? well perhaps harry have a point? well perhaps he harry have a point? well perhaps ne akk — harry have a point? well perhaps ne akk vea— harry have a point? well perhaps he did. you know,— harry have a point? well perhaps he did. you know, the- harry have a point? well perhaps he did. /viv :t he did. you know, the evidence is really pointing to these drugs being highly effective kyiv in difficult to treat mental health conditions, such as depression and anxiety . and as depression and anxiety. and we can see these drugs starting to be rolled out in other 67 countries such as australia, which has rescheduled psilocybin . the active component in magic mushrooms and mdma or in canada with their special access program . i'm okay. so i mean, we program. i'm okay. so i mean, we rnrnk— program. i'm okay. so i mean, we rnrnk er— program. i'm okay. so i mean, we rnrnk er kw.— program. i'm okay. so i mean, we think of lsd, we—

program. i'm okay. so i mean, we think of lsd, we think— program. i'm okay. so i mean, we think of lsd, we think of- d so i mean, we think of lsd, we think of magic mushrooms as— think of lsd, we think of magic mushrooms as people taking this skun— mushrooms as people taking this sran ana— mushrooms as people taking this sran and re— mushrooms as people taking this stuff and i'd absolutely eemekerekv— stuff and i'd absolutely completely losing control of men— completely losing control of their senses— completely losing control of their senses is— completely losing control of their senses is not knowing what knew-re— their senses is not knowing what rnev-re aerng— their senses is not knowing what they're doing potentially not being— they're doing potentially not being responsible for their aerrens— being responsible for their aerrens .— being responsible for their actions . and— being responsible for their actions . and yet you're saying actions. and yet you're saying rnar— actions. and yet you're saying rnar rnere— actions. and yet you're saying that there are _ actions. and yet you're saying that there are potential medical aeekrearrens— that there are potential medical applications that— that there are potential medical applications that could genarnekv— applications that could genuinely help people with eeeressren. — genuinely help people with depression. but is the answer to war— depression. but is the answer to ma ner— depression. but is the answer to ma ner nke— depression. but is the answer to that not like all— depression. but is the answer to that not like all the other drugs— that not like all the other drugs anar— that not like all the other drugs that are _ that not like all the other drugs that are on the market for eeeressrene— drugs that are on the market for depression? they— drugs that are on the market for depression? they might make eeeeke— depression? they might make eeeeke reek— depression? they might make people feel better for a little bit people feel better for a little err rn— people feel better for a little err in rne— people feel better for a little bit in the short— people feel better for a little bit in the short term , but does bit in the short term, but does it bit in the short term, but does is aeraakkv— bit in the short term, but does it actually deal— bit in the short term, but does it actually deal with the condition— it actually deal with the condition in.— it actually deal with the condition in. well that's an rnreresrrng— condition in. well that's an interesting point. “ condition in. well that's an interesting point. i mean, the evidence seems to indicate that with the use of these specific substances, you can really target the root of the problem. and with the help of a therapist and quite intense work, it is possible, it seems , from possible, it seems, from clinical trials to really have long term benefits without repeated dosing . now on clinical

repeated dosing. now on clinical trials , it takes only two doses trials, it takes only two doses and patients feel better for months afterwards . yeah, and the months afterwards. yeah, and the germ— months afterwards. yeah, and the germ anar— months afterwards. yeah, and the germ rnar sk— months afterwards. yeah, and the point that sir patrick— : yeah, and the point that sir patrick vallance is making— point that sir patrick vallance is making here— point that sir patrick vallance is making here is that we naven-r— is making here is that we haven't actually undertaken ekrnreak— haven't actually undertaken clinical trials— haven't actually undertaken clinical trials on anything like a erg— clinical trials on anything like a big eneagn— clinical trials on anything like a big enough scale to draw a eenekasren— a big enough scale to draw a conclusion. so— a big enough scale to draw a conclusion. so what he's really saying— conclusion. so what he's really saying rs— conclusion. so what he's really saving is we— conclusion. so what he's really saying is we need— conclusion. so what he's really saying is we need to actually do rnrs— saying is we need to actually do rnrs ereeerkv— saying is we need to actually do rnrs ereeerkv re— saying is we need to actually do this properly to get a better assessment. _ this properly to get a better assessment . t/vis dig this properly to get a better- assessment . yes, absolutely . the assessment. yes, absolutely. the majority of trials that have been conducted so far have been on very small number of parts assistants. what we need is large scale trials with long term follow ups and more solid science in order to truly establish the efficacy of these medications. but for now, they seem extremely promising . i seem extremely promising. i mean, look, as i say , what i “v; i mean, look, as i say , what i saw mean, look, as i say, what i saw rarrrek— mean, look, as i say, what i saw patrick vallance, _ mean, look, as i say, what i saw patrick vallance, his name arraenea— patrick vallance, his name attached to _ patrick vallance, his name attached to this, i thought, wekk— attached to this, i thought, wekk rnrs— attached to this, i thought, well, this is— attached to this, i thought, well, this is potentially very, very— well, this is potentially very, very interesting.— well, this is potentially very, very interesting. one final rneagnr.— very interesting. one final thought, alex,— very interesting. one final thought, alex, on all of this. vea— thought, alex, on all of this. ven knew.— thought, alex, on all of this. ven knew. kr— thought, alex, on all of this. you know, if we— thought, alex, on all of this. you know, if we finish up effectively _ you know, if we finish up effectively with lsd being given out

effectively with lsd being given ear en— effectively with lsd being given ear en rne— effectively with lsd being given out on the nhs_ effectively with lsd being given out on the nhs and the argument that out on the nhs and the argument rnar kr— out on the nhs and the argument rnar r em— out on the nhs and the argument rnar n ke— out on the nhs and the argument that it can be enormously nekerak— that it can be enormously helpful isn't— that it can be enormously helpful isn't there a danger rnar— helpful isn't there a danger rnar a— helpful isn't there a danger rnar a ker— helpful isn't there a danger that a lot more— helpful isn't there a danger that a lot more people seek to buy— that a lot more people seek to key kr— that a lot more people seek to buy rr rkkegak— that a lot more people seek to buy it illegal early and use it in ways— buy it illegal early and use it in ways snar— buy it illegal early and use it in ways that could be damaging? eeme— in ways that could be damaging? eeaka rnrs— in ways that could be damaging? could this not— in ways that could be damaging? could this not potentially be be the legitimisation _ could this not potentially be be the legitimisation of some of rnese— the legitimisation of some of rnese mina— the legitimisation of some of these mind altering drugs as wekk— these mind altering drugs as wekke — these mind altering drugs as wekke r— these mind altering drugs as well ? i feel— these mind altering drugs as well ? i feel as— these mind altering drugs as well ? i feel as if- these mind altering drugs as well? i feel as if it- these mind altering drugs as well? ”vivit �*7 e : these mind altering drugs as well ? ”vivit �*7 e : well? i feel as if it would be really important for the nhs to give access to these medications so that they can be used legitimately. now there's no evidence of diversion of schedule two drugs into the black market for now, and the key point in these therapies is , is the therapeutic process that goes along with the administration of the drug . administration of the drug. okay, alex, thank you very okay, alex, thank you ver much okay, alex, thank you very much rnaeea— okay, alex, thank you very much rnaeea rer— okay, alex, thank you very much indeed for joining— okay, alex, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this indeed for joining us this evening. — indeed for joining us this evening. well,- indeed for joining us this evening. well, potentially, rekks— evening. well, potentially, rekks .— evening. well, potentially, rekks . very.— evening. well, potentially, folks , very, very interesting to folks, very, very interesting to see where that— folks, very, very interesting to see where that clinical research gees. — see where that clinical research gees. r— see where that clinical research gees. r ema— see where that clinical research goes. i remain deeply sceptical, aeraakkv— goes. i remain deeply sceptical, aeraakkv .— goes. i remain deeply sceptical, aeraakkv . r— goes. i remain deeply sceptical, actually . i remain— goes. i remain deeply sceptical, actually . i remain sceptical of actually. i remain sceptical of vrnaakkv— actually. i remain sceptical of vrnaakkv akk— actually. i remain sceptical of virtually all drugs. i don't rake— virtually all drugs. i don't rake anv— virtually all drugs. i don't rake anv ar— virtually all drugs. i don't take any at all.- virtually all drugs. i don't take any at all. thank goodness

. rm— take any at all. thank goodness . r-m insa— take any at all. thank goodness . i'm just convinced that we nave— . i'm just convinced that we nave a— . i'm just convinced that we have a medical— . i'm just convinced that we have a medical profession and a pharmaceutical— have a medical profession and a pharmaceutical industry who are easy— pharmaceutical industry who are easy grvrng— pharmaceutical industry who are easy giving us— pharmaceutical industry who are busy giving us stuff that eeesn-r— busy giving us stuff that doesn't actually really make us never.— doesn't actually really make us been new.— doesn't actually really make us better. hey, maybe i'm eemekerekv— better. hey, maybe i'm completely and utterly wrong . completely and utterly wrong. it's completely and utterly wrong. rr-s iasr— completely and utterly wrong. rr-s use my— completely and utterly wrong. it's just my view— completely and utterly wrong. it's just my view now you hear maen— it's just my view now you hear maen rakk— it's just my view now you hear much talk about— it's just my view now you hear much talk about the blob , the much talk about the blob, the avi— much talk about the blob, the civil service, _ much talk about the blob, the civil service, the— much talk about the blob, the civil service, the enemy within, as some would— civil service, the enemy within, as some would call them. but the eveeee— as some would call them. but the evaeee rne— as some would call them. but the evidence, the evidence continues to evidence, the evidence continues re mean-r— evidence, the evidence continues re meanr vea— evidence, the evidence continues to mount. you know, it turns out rnar— to mount. you know, it turns out rnar rne— to mount. you know, it turns out rnar rne ervrk— to mount. you know, it turns out that the civil servant , you that the civil servant, you knew.— that the civil servant, you know, inside— that the civil servant, you know, inside number 10, that rneagnr— know, inside number 10, that rneagnr kr— know, inside number 10, that thought it was— know, inside number 10, that thought it was right, that more of thought it was right, that more er nens— thought it was right, that more of boris johnson's— thought it was right, that more of boris johnson's documents nanaea— of boris johnson's documents were handed over to the covid inquiry— were handed over to the covid inquiry wnerner— were handed over to the covid inquiry, whether they be eersenak— inquiry, whether they be personal or— inquiry, whether they be personal or not. but it turns ear— personal or not. but it turns ear snar— personal or not. but it turns ear rnar rar— personal or not. but it turns out that mr chisholm is actually a rekarren— out that mr chisholm is actually a rekarren er— out that mr chisholm is actually a relation of harriet harman of the a relation of harriet harman of me kakear— a relation of harriet harman of the labour party— a relation of harriet harman of the labour party and hadn't erevreaskv— the labour party and hadn't previously declared it, and that of previously declared it, and that er rrsekr— previously declared it, and that er rrsekr mav— previously declared it, and that of itself may not— previously declared it, and that of itself may not be a crime in any— of itself may not be a crime in any wav— of itself may not be a crime in any way ar— of itself may not be a crime in any way ar akk— of itself may not be a crime in any way at all, but— of itself may not be a crime in any way at all, but it does show new— any way at all, but it does show new rnrngs— any way at all, but it does show how things work.— any way at all, but it does show how things work. and a story reeav— how things work. and a story reeav rnar— how things work. and a story today that home— how things work. and a story today that home office civil servanrs— today that home office civil servanrs are— today that home office civil servants are threatening perenrrak— servants are threatening potential strike action over the eevemmenr-s— potential strike action over the government's rwanda deportation

eekrev— government's rwanda deportation eekrev ana— government's rwanda deportation renew and smakk— government's rwanda deportation policy and small boats. legislation— policy and small boats. legislation ian so let's be ekear— legislation ian so let's be ekear .— legislation ian so let's be ekear. n— legislation ian so let's be ekear. n a— legislation ian so let's be clear. if a government legislation ian so let's be clear . if a government with legislation ian so let's be clear. if a government with an ekeerea— clear. if a government with an elected majority— clear. if a government with an elected majority actually at kasr— elected majority actually at kasr iasr— elected majority actually at last just tries— elected majority actually at last just tries to _ elected majority actually at last just tries to do something arrear— last just tries to do something akear rkkegak— last just tries to do something about illegal immigration , even about illegal immigration, even rne— about illegal immigration, even across the english channel and gers— across the english channel and gers rnar— across the english channel and gets that through— across the english channel and gets that through parliament, it is ner— gets that through parliament, it is ner iasr— gets that through parliament, it is ner iasr rer— gets that through parliament, it is not just for the— gets that through parliament, it is not just for the civil servree— is not just for the civil service to— is not just for the civil service to obstruct it. their job— service to obstruct it. their iek rs— service to obstruct it. their iek is re— service to obstruct it. their job is re earrv— service to obstruct it. their job is to carry out the will of rne— job is to carry out the will of the democratically elected gevernmenr— the democratically elected government of— the democratically elected government of this country and nanny.— government of this country and frankly ner— government of this country and frankly ner re— government of this country and frankly, not to do— government of this country and frankly, not to do so , i think frankly, not to do so, i think is a— frankly, not to do so, i think is a complete— frankly, not to do so, i think is a complete and utter arsgraee.— is a complete and utter disgrace. and- is a complete and utter disgrace. and this needs is the saekrng— disgrace. and this needs is the mass sacking of— disgrace. and this needs is the mass sacking of civil servants. if mass sacking of civil servants. n rnev— mass sacking of civil servants. rr rnev wen-r— mass sacking of civil servants. if they won't do _ mass sacking of civil servants. if they won't do what they're reki— if they won't do what they're reka. n— if they won't do what they're reka. if new— if they won't do what they're told, if they think they're in enarge. — told, if they think they're in enarge. rnen— told, if they think they're in charge, then we're way beyond kaagnrng— charge, then we're way beyond kaagnrng ana— charge, then we're way beyond laughing and joking . and, you laughing and joking. and, you knew.— laughing and joking. and, you knew. ves.— laughing and joking. and, you know, yes, minister, which was akwavs— know, yes, minister, which was always brilliantly— know, yes, minister, which was always brilliantly written and very.— always brilliantly written and very. very— always brilliantly written and very. very nanny.— always brilliantly written and very, very funny, but slightly werrvrng— very, very funny, but slightly werrvrng .— very, very funny, but slightly werrvrng . rnrs— very, very funny, but slightly worrying . this is open revolt worrying. this is open revolt nem— worrying. this is open revolt rrem rne— worrying. this is open revolt from the blob— worrying. this is open revolt from the blob against the ekeerea— from the blob against the elected government of our

eeanrrv— elected government of our eeanrrv .— elected government of our country . mass— elected government of our country . mass sackings must country. mass sackings must begin— country. mass sackings must begin ane— country. mass sackings must begin and begin— country. mass sackings must begin and begin soon. in a memenr— begin and begin soon. in a memenr .— begin and begin soon. in a moment , i'll— begin and begin soon. in a moment, i'll come back to that srerv— moment, i'll come back to that srerv arrear— moment, i'll come back to that story about labour,— moment, i'll come back to that story about labour, your eensrens— story about labour, your eensrens .— story about labour, your pensions , what they want to do pensions, what they want to do ane— pensions, what they want to do and why- — pensions, what they want to do and why- r— pensions, what they want to do and why. i think— pensions, what they want to do and why. i think it— pensions, what they want to do and why. i think it would be a eemekere— and why. i think it would be a eemekere ana— and why. i think it would be a complete and utter

i remember when in the mid 1990s we used to pride ourselves that we had the best private sector pension provision of any country in the western world. it was , you know, one of the it was, you know, one of the gear— it was, you know, one of the gear eeasrs— it was, you know, one of the great boasts of— it was, you know, one of the great boasts of the country. and rnen— great boasts of the country. and rnen renv— great boasts of the country. and then tony blair— great boasts of the country. and then tony blair got elected. eereen— then tony blair got elected. gordon brown— then tony blair got elected. gordon brown became the chancellor— gordon brown became the chancellor and— gordon brown became the chancellor and they decided they weake— chancellor and they decided they weake savaeg— chancellor and they decided they would savage the— chancellor and they decided they would savage the private sector eensren— would savage the private sector pension industry— would savage the private sector pension industry by putting a tax pension industry by putting a ran en— pension industry by putting a tax on dividends— pension industry by putting a tax on dividends earned . and of tax on dividends earned. and of wnar— tax on dividends earned. and of course, what gordon brown didn't re— course, what gordon brown didn't seem to understand, that it was aeraakkv— seem to understand, that it was aeraakkv rne — seem to understand, that it was actually the reinvestment of dividends— actually the reinvestment of dividends into _ actually the reinvestment of dividends into long term pension savings— dividends into long term pension savrngs ekans— dividends into long term pension savings plans. that was where

the savings plans. that was where am reak— savings plans. that was where the real growth— savings plans. that was where the real growth in— savings plans. that was where the real growth in money over the real growth in money over me years— the real growth in money over the years came.— the real growth in money over the years came. and he absolutely— the years came. and he absolutely savaged it. since anar— absolutely savaged it. since rnar rime.— absolutely savaged it. since that time, the _ absolutely savaged it. since that time, the pensions industry . wnren— that time, the pensions industry . wnren rs— that time, the pensions industry . wnren is a— that time, the pensions industry , which is a multi— that time, the pensions industry , which is a multi trillion pound— , which is a multi trillion pound industry since that time, it's pound industry since that time, rr-s keeene— pound industry since that time, it's become hidebound by a namekr— it's become hidebound by a namekr er— it's become hidebound by a number of eu— it's become hidebound by a number of eu rules and many in the number of eu rules and many in me rneasrrv— number of eu rules and many in the industry have— number of eu rules and many in the industry have been saying , the industry have been saying, rev-s— the industry have been saying, come on, let's open this sector up- — come on, let's open this sector are ker-s— come on, let's open this sector an. ker-s akkew— come on, let's open this sector up. let's allow pension funds to inves— up. let's allow pension funds to rnvesr rn— up. let's allow pension funds to invest in infrastructure and maen— invest in infrastructure and maen ekse— invest in infrastructure and much else but— invest in infrastructure and much else but into all of this wanes— much else but into all of this waaes rne— much else but into all of this wades the shadow chancellor, kaenek— wades the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves.— wades the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves. this week . and rachel reeves. this week. and sne— rachel reeves. this week. and sne rs— rachel reeves. this week. and sne is saying— rachel reeves. this week. and she is saying that— rachel reeves. this week. and she is saying that all of the semen— she is saying that all of the pension providers should put 5% of pension providers should put 5% er rne— pension providers should put 5% er rne assesr— pension providers should put 5% of the assets they— pension providers should put 5% of the assets they have under rnerr— of the assets they have under their control— of the assets they have under their control and _ of the assets they have under their control and put it into a grewrn— their control and put it into a grewrn rang.— their control and put it into a growth fund. now, quite what weake— growth fund. now, quite what weake ke— growth fund. now, quite what weake ke rn— growth fund. now, quite what would be in this— growth fund. now, quite what would be in this growth fund, i rnese— would be in this growth fund, i mean, these clearly would be kaenek— mean, these clearly would be rachel reeves— mean, these clearly would be rachel reeves as— mean, these clearly would be rachel reeves as tips for the top— rachel reeves as tips for the reg easrness— rachel reeves as tips for the top business bosses that she rnrnk— top business bosses that she rnrnk we— top business bosses that she think we should— top business bosses that she think we should invest in. well, the think we should invest in. well, me kessen— think we should invest in. well, me kessen er— think we should invest in. well, the lesson of this,— think we should invest in. well, the lesson of this, of course , the lesson of this, of course, is ekear— the lesson of this, of course, is ekear kea— the lesson of this, of course, is clear. you can— the lesson of this, of course, is clear. you can look at seerkana— is clear. you can look at scotland in— is clear. you can look at scotland in particular where, you— scotland in particular where, vea knew.— scotland in particular where, you know, whatever it is, wnerner— you know, whatever it is, whether it's— you know, whatever it is, whether it's a- you know, whatever it is, whether it's a tram scheme , whether it's a tram scheme, wnerner— whether it's a tram scheme, wnerner rr-s— whether it's a tram scheme, whether it's ferry across to

whether it's a ferry across to rne— whether it's a ferry across to me rskanas— whether it's a ferry across to the islands, they— whether it's a ferry across to the islands, they turn into eemekere— the islands, they turn into complete and— the islands, they turn into complete and utter disasters and wnerner— complete and utter disasters and wnerner rnrs— complete and utter disasters and whether this would be on a vekanrarv— whether this would be on a voluntary basis— whether this would be on a voluntary basis or whether mere-a— voluntary basis or whether there'd compulsion. ijust there'd be compulsion. i just gen-r— there'd be compulsion. i just aen-r knew.— there'd be compulsion. i just don't know. but— there'd be compulsion. i just don't know. but it looks to me krke— don't know. but it looks to me krke rarner— don't know. but it looks to me like rather than _ don't know. but it looks to me like rather than opening up the rakes— like rather than opening up the rakes .— like rather than opening up the rakes . as— like rather than opening up the rakes . as rer— like rather than opening up the rules . as for the— like rather than opening up the rules . as for the pension funds rules. as for the pension funds ana— rules. as for the pension funds and new— rules. as for the pension funds and new new— rules. as for the pension funds and how they can— rules. as for the pension funds and how they can invest their menev— and how they can invest their menev rr-s— and how they can invest their money, it's rather— and how they can invest their money, it's rather like a perenrrak— money, it's rather like a potential government diktat. one of potential government diktat. one er rne— potential government diktat. one er rne mess— potential government diktat. one of the most outspoken voices on rnrs— of the most outspoken voices on we nas— of the most outspoken voices on we nas keen— of the most outspoken voices on this has been pensionbee ceo kamr — this has been pensionbee ceo kamr saveva— this has been pensionbee ceo rami savova, who said it looks nke— rami savova, who said it looks krke rne— rami savova, who said it looks krke rne parry— rami savova, who said it looks like the party wants to tap menev— like the party wants to tap money intended for retirements to money intended for retirements re saeeen— money intended for retirements re saeeen rne— money intended for retirements to support the economy . well, to support the economy. well, joining— to support the economy. well, joining me— to support the economy. well, joining me rs— to support the economy. well, joining me is rebecca o'connor, wne— joining me is rebecca o'connor, wne rs— joining me is rebecca o'connor, who is director— joining me is rebecca o'connor, who is director of— joining me is rebecca o'connor, who is director of public affairs— who is director of public affairs at— who is director of public affairs at pensionbee . rebecca, affairs at pensionbee. rebecca, wear— affairs at pensionbee. rebecca, vear kess— affairs at pensionbee. rebecca, vear eess verv— affairs at pensionbee. rebecca, your boss very out— affairs at pensionbee. rebecca, your boss very out spoken on rnrs— your boss very out spoken on we .— your boss very out spoken on we . nees— your boss very out spoken on we . nees kr— your boss very out spoken on this . does it feel— your boss very out spoken on this. does it feel to you your boss very out spoken on this . does it feel to you that this. does it feel to you that eerenrrakkv— this. does it feel to you that perennakkv a— this. does it feel to you that potentially a labour government , it potentially a labour government . n mrgnr— potentially a labour government . n mrgnr ke— potentially a labour government , it might be telling you what you— , it might be telling you what vea nave— , it might be telling you what vea nave re— , it might be telling you what you have to do— , it might be telling you what you have to do with other eeeeke-s— you have to do with other people's money? i think you've hit people's money? i think you've nrr rne— people's money? i think you've nrr rne nak— people's money? i think you've hit the nail on— people's money? i think you've hit the nail on the— people's money? i think you've hit the nail on the head. . hit the nail on the head. it is emer— hit the nail on the head. it is eener people's_ hit the nail on the head. it is other people's money and because of that we treat it very, very

carefully and we know that, you know, we want the uk to thrive. we want to invest in british businesses . all of that is great businesses. all of that is great in theory for our pension funds, which are long term investments and so in theory, you know, they should provide the patient capital for these kind of projects. but of course, in practise it's what happens with this kind of growth fund. you know, some of the investments go wrong and the risk as things stand the kind pension stand with the kind of pension that we falls on you as that we have, falls on you as the individual. and of course, you know, your retirement income is not something you is not something that you particularly want play with. particularly want to play with. and valuable . and, you and it's valuable. and, you know, it's our money ultimately. so i think very good that we're looking at how pensions can help , but mandating that's another thing entirely. , but mandating that's another thing entirely . and rachel thing entirely. and rachel reeves apparently didn't actually rule out mandating because she's relying on the goodwill of the pensions industry to do this . but of industry to do this. but of course, it all has to be in the interests of us savers at the

end of the day. and at the moment it's not very clear how that will pan out . no, i mean, that will pan out. no, i mean, the that will pan out. no, i mean, rne argamenr— that will pan out. no, i mean, the argument will— that will pan out. no, i mean, the argument will be- i no, i mean, the argument will be from kakean— the argument will be from labour, look,— the argument will be from labour, look, you know, we're iasr— labour, look, you know, we're iasr earring— labour, look, you know, we're just putting forward policy reeas— just putting forward policy reeas ar— just putting forward policy ideas at this— just putting forward policy ideas at this moment in time, kar— ideas at this moment in time, bar r— ideas at this moment in time, bar r weake— ideas at this moment in time, but i would guess that the nrsrene— but i would guess that the historic relationship between the historic relationship between me kakear— historic relationship between the labour party and the private eensren— the labour party and the private pension industry— the labour party and the private pension industry what pension industry after what nrewn— pension industry after what nrewn ara— pension industry after what nrewn are by— pension industry after what brown did by taxing the dividends— brown did by taxing the dividends back in 97, must be eae— dividends back in 97, must be bad .— dividends back in 97, must be bad . ana— dividends back in 97, must be bad . and when— dividends back in 97, must be bad . and when she talked about bad. and when she talked about this .— bad. and when she talked about we . rnrs— bad. and when she talked about this , this was— bad. and when she talked about this , this was this— bad. and when she talked about this , this was this the first this, this was this the first rime— this, this was this the first rrme vea— this, this was this the first time you were— this, this was this the first time you were in the industry? we nae— time you were in the industry? we had heard— time you were in the industry? we had heard of— time you were in the industry? we had heard of this idea ? no, we had heard of this idea? no, it's we had heard of this idea? no, is keen— we had heard of this idea? no, it's been doing— we had heard of this idea? no, it's been doing the rounds for rime— it's been doing the rounds for rrme . — it's been doing the rounds for some time. and— it's been doing the rounds for some time . '“v: it's been doing the rounds for some time. and indeed, the conservative party has looked at it as an idea and there has been talk of things like lifting the cap on investment charges to enable more investment in the kind of assets that would, you know, produce this kind of growth. so it has been talked about for a while and labour sort of pinning themselves to the mast, if you like, with this kind of you know, pushing it a little further forward and saying we push it further saying we would push it further forward. yes, i mean, it is

forward. but yes, i mean, it is it's flagging policy ideas at this yes we do need to this stage. yes we do need to see the detail on it and some transparency of where that money would actually go, at would actually go, because at the just very the moment, it's just very broad, isn't it? it's the whole of uk economy. but what are of the uk economy. but what are the of projects and the type of projects and what kind returns we expect kind of returns could we expect from because that's what from them? because that's what we as pension savers. we we want as pension savers. we want that we're want to know that we're generating good returns for ourselves. it must be very anneakr— ourselves. it must be veryi difficult—mean, difficult for people. i mean, ekearkv— difficult for people. i mean, ekearkv rne— difficult for people. i mean, clearly the pensions, apartheid rnar— clearly the pensions, apartheid rnar evrsrs— clearly the pensions, apartheid that exists between the public seeerr— that exists between the public seeerr ane— that exists between the public sector and the— that exists between the public sector and the private sector is enormous. there— sector and the private sector is enormous. there must be i'm rnrnkrng— enormous. there must be i'm rnrnkrng .— enormous. there must be i'm thinking , rebecca, a lot of thinking, rebecca, a lot of eeeeke— thinking, rebecca, a lot of eeeeke renne— thinking, rebecca, a lot of people retire about to retire. wne— people retire about to retire. wne ae— people retire about to retire. who do think— people retire about to retire. who do think they've made aaegaare— who do think they've made adequate provision for their eensrens— adequate provision for their pensions, but— adequate provision for their pensions, but fine with the cost of pensions, but fine with the cost er krvrng— pensions, but fine with the cost of living crisis. _ pensions, but fine with the cost of living crisis. they're really srraggkrng— of living crisis. they're really srraggkrng .— of living crisis. they're really struggling . yeah. so clearly struggling. yeah. so clearly rmkarren— struggling. yeah. so clearly inflation has— struggling. yeah. so clearly inflation has pushed up the cost of inflation has pushed up the cost er krvrng— inflation has pushed up the cost er krvrng rer— inflation has pushed up the cost of living for everybody. �*7 of living for everybody. but if youre— of living for everybody. but if were facing— of living for everybody. but if you're facing living on a on a limited income as pensioners are, it's an awful lot harder. and of course, if you're at retirement and you've seen the value pension fund value of your pension fund decline 1,015% some of them decline 1,015% as some of them

have in over 2022, then that's very scary too, because you've got less acas to play with and so you've got , you know, you've so you've got, you know, you've got to make that money last. you don't know how long you're going to live for. that's very, very stressful. so, you know, returns are hugely important to retirement what we retirement outcomes. what we invest although might invest in, although we might not feel much control feel like we have much control overit feel like we have much control over it because it's all done for us by workplace pension providers is really important to our retirement outcomes. so, you know, this policy hopefully will lift the lid a little bit on what our pensions are actually invested in already because it's actually mostly global equities, although you some of that although, you know, some of that is the portion of that is reduced people approach reduced as people approach retirement to reduce the risk of people's values and people's values rising and falling but need to know falling. but we do need to know a little bit more about what we're investing in because it does mean so much to us ultimately. you know, people ultimately. and you know, people don't currently don't retire on enough currently , the pensions and lifetime savings association gives us guidelines on what we need for retirement, and most people are

coming with something coming out with something that gives a basic gives them just above a basic living standard in retirement. at moment, want that to at the moment, we want that to be at least for most be a moderate, at least for most people, we're very, very far people, and we're very, very far away the moment. away from that at the moment. rebecca o'connor from pensionbee,— rebecca o'connor from pensionbee, thank you very much kneeea— pensionbee, thank you very much indeed—me— pensionbee, thank you very much rneeea—me .- pensionbee, thank you very much indeed—me . i've- pensionbee, thank you very much indeed—me . i've got. indeed forjoining me. i've got rime.— indeed forjoining me. i've got rrme. r-ve— indeed forjoining me. i've got rrme. r-ve ger— indeed forjoining me. i've got time. i've got one— indeed forjoining me. i've got time. i've got one quick barrage.— time. i've got one quick barrage. the— time. i've got one quick barrage. the farage, and it's nem— barrage. the farage, and it's from tristan— barrage. the farage, and it's from tristan in— barrage. the farage, and it's from tristan in pudsey , near from tristan in pudsey, near keeas— from tristan in pudsey, near leeds, tristan— from tristan in pudsey, near leeds, tristan far away . leeds, tristan far away. hi, nrgek— leeds, tristan far away. hi, wrgek rm— leeds, tristan far away. hi, nigel. i'm tristan. i'd like to ask you how you thought brexit went for. for me, it didn't go so well . at and yeah, i was just so well. at and yeah, i was just wondering how you thought it went because it looked like it was a bit of a mess, to be honest. so i'd love to hear your answer on that. nige cheers. well, tristan, obviously well well, tristan, obviously a well knewn— well, tristan, obviously a well known character— well, tristan, obviously a well known character in pudsey as eeeeke— known character in pudsey as eeeeke are— known character in pudsey as eeeeke gerng— known character in pudsey as people are going the people are going past the keeping.— people are going past the keeping—.- people are going past the. beeping,_. look, people are going past the- beeping,_. look, you beeping, their horns. look, you knew— beeping, their horns. look, you knew wnare— beeping, their horns. look, you know what? when— beeping, their horns. look, you know what? when we look in the nrsrerv— know what? when we look in the nrsrerv eeeks— know what? when we look in the history books and— know what? when we look in the history books and 100 years rime.— history books and 100 years rime. we— history books and 100 years rime. we-sav- history books and 100 years time, we-say it- history books and 100 years time, we say it was one of time, we will say it was one of rne— time, we will say it was one of me mesr— time, we will say it was one of the most significant constitute narrenak— the most significant constitute national—had- national changes that had naeeenea— national changes that had- naeeenea—vears happened for hundreds of years in

happened for hundreds of years rn-eeanrrv. — happened for hundreds of years rn-eeanrrv. new— happened for hundreds of years in country. how it's been in our country. how it's been aekrverea— in our country. how it's been eekrverea .— in our country. how it's been delivered . and— in our country. how it's been delivered . and tristan is a very delivered. and tristan is a very green— delivered. and tristan is a very different matter.— delivered. and tristan is a very different matter. i've discussed rnar— different matter. i've discussed rnar many— different matter. i've discussed rnar manv .— different matter. i've discussed rnar manv . many— different matter. i've discussed that many , many times. i'm that many, many times. i'm afraid.— that many, many times. i'm afraid. r— that many, many times. i'm afraid. riasr— that many, many times. i'm afraid. i just don't believe the raking— afraid. i just don't believe the ruling conservative party aeraakkv— ruling conservative party actually believed in it. and rnere— actually believed in it. and rnere are— actually believed in it. and there are so— actually believed in it. and there are so many areas , so many there are so many areas, so many kasrnesses— there are so many areas, so many businesses where— there are so many areas, so many businesses where things need to be eene— businesses where things need to be done, including— businesses where things need to be done, including , by the way, be done, including, by the way, the be done, including, by the way, rne kasr— be done, including, by the way, the last subject— be done, including, by the way, the last subject that i talked areas— the last subject that i talked about, pensions— the last subject that i talked about, pensions , the pensions about, pensions, the pensions rnaasrrv— about, pensions, the pensions rnaasrrv gees— about, pensions, the pensions industry does not— about, pensions, the pensions industry does not need the state to industry does not need the state re rnrervene— industry does not need the state to intervene more.— industry does not need the state to intervene more. it actually needs— to intervene more. it actually neeas rne— to intervene more. it actually needs the state _ to intervene more. it actually needs the state to get rid of a wneke— needs the state to get rid of a wneke ran— needs the state to get rid of a whole raft of— needs the state to get rid of a whole raft of eu— needs the state to get rid of a whole raft of eu directives twrig— whole raft of eu directives rvrng enem— whole raft of eu directives rvrng men an.— whole raft of eu directives tying them up. let's free our kasrnesses— tying them up. let's free our businesses as— tying them up. let's free our businesses as be— tying them up. let's free our businesses as be they pensions or businesses as be they pensions er nsnrng— businesses as be they pensions er nsnrng ane— businesses as be they pensions or fishing and not— businesses as be they pensions or fishing and not tie them up. new— or fishing and not tie them up. new rm— or fishing and not tie them up. new rm remed— or fishing and not tie them up. now i'm joined by— or fishing and not tie them up. now i'm joined by jacob kees—rregg.— now i'm joined by jacob rees—mogg. jacob, really interesting— rees—mogg. jacob, really interesting looking at what kakear— interesting looking at what kakear are— interesting looking at what labour are doing here. i mean, ekearkv— labour are doing here. i mean, ekearkv rne— labour are doing here. i mean, clearly the idea— labour are doing here. i mean, clearly the idea that pension names— clearly the idea that pension funds should— clearly the idea that pension funds should put 5% into some semnee— funds should put 5% into some semnee snar— funds should put 5% into some scheme that rachel reeves thinks is a scheme that rachel reeves thinks s a geek— scheme that rachel reeves thinks is a geek keea— scheme that rachel reeves thinks is a good idea is— scheme that rachel reeves thinks is a good idea is unlikely to reamr— is a good idea is unlikely to reamr geek— is a good idea is unlikely to return good value for investors. rveremekv— return good value for investors. ekeremekv key-— return good value for investors. extremely key. and— return good value for investors. extremely key. and the- return good value for investors. extremely key. and the point you're making about regulation is very important that look at the issue with the this in september. this caused the crisis when it caused the crisis

and was because the regulator was telling pension funds they ought to buy gilts because they thought gilts were low risk when gilts were at their highest valuation in history, regulators , governments, bureaucrats do not make good investment decisions. you want to leave it? this is my own profession, so i suppose i would say this to people who actually understand markets us and whenever governments interfere in pensions, make the returns pensions, they make the returns worse. so people who are coming up to retirement or who have already retired will get lower returns. now, i agree with you, but isn't it interesting that what we're seeing with labour and these are not firm manifesto pledges, but they're rolling out policy. they've pledges, but they're rolling out policy . they've done this on policy. they've done this on eensrens— policy. they've done this on eensrens .— policy. they've done this on pensions . they've- vtg they've done this on pensions . they've stuck to the pensions. they've stuck to the keea— pensions. they've stuck to the mea rnar— pensions. they've stuck to the idea that private— pensions. they've stuck to the idea that private school fees weake— idea that private school fees weake mean— idea that private school fees would incur a— idea that private school fees would incur a 20% vat charge . would incur a 20% vat charge. ravage— would incur a 20% vat charge. rarage ana— would incur a 20% vat charge. rarage ana r— would incur a 20% vat charge. farage and i wonder why they're aerng— farage and i wonder why they're aerng akk— farage and i wonder why they're aerng akk rnrs. — farage and i wonder why they're doing all this. and— farage and i wonder why they're doing all this. and liam nakkrgan— doing all this. and liam halligan earlier , our rather halligan earlier, our rather eveekkenr— halligan earlier, our rather excellent economics editor here at excellent economics editor here ar en— excellent economics editor here ar an news.— excellent economics editor here ar an news. ne— excellent economics editor here at gb news, he says, oh , i tell at gb news, he says, oh, i tell you— at gb news, he says, oh, i tell vea wnar— at gb news, he says, oh, i tell you what they're— at gb news, he says, oh, i tell

you what they're doing, nigel, they're— you what they're doing, nigel, they're shutting _ you what they're doing, nigel, they're shutting up the left . they're shutting up the left. they're— they're shutting up the left. they're throwing red to meat the left they're throwing red to meat the rev er— they're throwing red to meat the rev er rnerr— they're throwing red to meat the left of their own— they're throwing red to meat the left of their own party so they eresenr— left of their own party so they presenr a— left of their own party so they can present a united front at rne— can present a united front at the election.— can present a united front at the election. makes sense. yes. ves. — the election. makes sense. yes. ves. nar— the election. makes sense. yes. ves. nae rr-s— the election. makes sense. yes. yes. but it's also— the election. makes sense. yes. yes. but it's also how- the election. makes sense. yes. yes. but it's also how they- yes. but it's also how they govern. the labour party realised tony blair realised that nationalisation didn't work and affordable, so and wasn't affordable, so nationalise, and if you nationalise, regulate and if you use regulations, you have the same effects as nationalisation, but you don't actually have to pay but you don't actually have to pay for. yes, i think that's wnar— pay for. yes, i think that's wnar rnev— pay for. yes, i think that's what they did— pay for. yes, i think that's what they did in- yes, i think that's what they did in 97 to 2010. kear.— what they did in 97 to 2010. year. we— what they did in 97 to 2010. yeah, we haven't— what they did in 97 to 2010. “43?" “ . ”virvi yeah, we haven't reversed anything it. no. anything like enough of it. no. and will it again if and they will do it again if they back into power. and so they get back into power. and so they get back into power. and so they control your pension fund by and will by regulation and they will control by control private schools by regulation and just make it harder people to get with harder for people to get on with their lives. in a sentence their own lives. in a sentence renrgnr— their own lives. in a sentence renrgnr snew.— their own lives. in a sentencei tonight show,-tonight tonight show, jacob go tonight snew.— tonight show, jacob go tonight mew-gang— tonight show, jacob go tonight snew.-gerng re- tonight show, jacob go tonight show, going to talking show, we're going to be talking arrear— show, we're going to be talking akear—ervrk- about this outrageous civil servree—re- about this outrageous civil. service—to rwanda about this outrageous civil- service_to rwanda . service obstruction to rwanda. mar-s— service obstruction to rwanda. rnar-s ner— service obstruction to rwanda. that's not what— service obstruction to rwanda. that's not what civil— service obstruction to rwanda. that's not what civil servants are there for. no, we need to san— are there for. no, we need to sran saekrng— are there for. no, we need to start sacking them- are there for. no, we need to start sacking them en- ”vi ”vi no, we need to start sacking them en masse if new— start sacking them en masse if new gen-r— start sacking them en masse if they don't deliver— start sacking them en masse if they don't deliver government eekkev— they don't deliver government policy anew-ve— they don't deliver government policy, they've got to go. “ policy, they've got to go. in my view— policy, they've got to go. in my inev— policy, they've got to go. in my view, they resign— policy, they've got to go. in my view, they resign or they're fired or they're they're not going on strike. we need jacob

kaek— going on strike. we need jacob kaek sening— going on strike. we need jacob back sorting out— going on strike. we need jacob back sorting out the— giv “v; viv“ we need jacob back sorting out the civil serviee— back sorting out the civil service—all. back sorting out the civil. service—all these service rather than all these weakiings— service rather than all these . weakiings—nai weaklings at the moment. but refere— weaklings at the moment. but serene-inas— weaklings at the moment. but before-that, let's- before all of that, let's get rne— before all of that, let's get the-important- before all of that, let's get the important weather . the all important weather. neiie— the all important weather. hello there. _ the all important weather. hello there. i'm— the all important weather. hello there. i'm greg- the all important weather. hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to our latest weather forecast for gb news. high keeps it settled high pressure keeps it settled largely dry over the next few days. sunnier skies across the across the west and then across eastern areas. we just have a bit of a keen north easterly breeze, which means it'll be a little bit chillier at times over the next few days, but really settled and dry going forward for tuesday evening. best of the late sunshine across east western parts of the uk. further east it will generally be quite cloudy . the cloud thick be quite cloudy. the cloud thick enough perhaps for a few spots of light rain or drizzle . and of light rain or drizzle. and just notice how that cloud pushes its way westwards as we move the night . move through the night. temperatures as temperatures not as cold as recent due to more cloud recent nights due to more cloud around. so temperatures holding up double figures, but up close to double figures, but it does mean a bit of a grey start to wednesday morning. best to sunshine. first thing, to the sunshine. first thing, northern ireland, western scotland. then as go scotland. and then as we go through the this cloud

through the day, this cloud should start to lift and should slowly start to lift and break push a little bit break and push a little bit further eastwards but further back eastwards. but just nofice further back eastwards. but just notice this stretch cloud notice how this stretch of cloud across midlands, south across the midlands, south wales, country wales, into the west country hangs uncertainty with hangs on some uncertainty with this, but could be a little bit cooler day here compared to tuesday . best of the highest tuesday. best of the highest temperatures across in that sunnier zone across scotland where see highs around where we could see highs around about degrees. elsewhere about 25 degrees. elsewhere a quite cool to end wednesday , quite cool to end wednesday, particularly in the east of that cloud into the early hours of thursday morning. that cloud once again starts pushing its way westwards , best of the clear way westwards, best of the clear skies holding on across the north—west of the uk here. temperatures dipping into single figures elsewhere around 9 to 11 celsius to take us into thursday morning. so a bit of a grey start once again, a few spots of drizzle in the wind, but that cloud again lifts and breaks. hopefully it will push back a little bit further eastwards quickly on thursday, allowing more in the way of sunny spells to develop notice how wales in the get the lion's the south—west get the lion's share of the sunshine and temperatures here in low 20s

temperatures here in the low 20s staying dry for friday staying fine and dry for friday and into the weekend. temperatures the low 20s as .

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