tonight on farage we discuss will rishi sunak give all the whatsapp messages over to the covid inquiry and if not, why not.7 we discuss the size of the not? we discuss the size of the nanny— not? we discuss the size of the nanny nann— not? we discuss the size of the nanny state with— not? we discuss the size of the nanny state with the— “in? we discuss the size of the nanny state with the number one nanny— nanny state with the number one nanny nann— nanny state with the number one nanny state an— nanny state with the number one nanny state in europe. but does it really— nanny state in europe. but does n nauy nan— nanny state in europe. but does it really help people's lifestyle— it really help people's lifestyle choices? we'll go to aaanneny— lifestyle choices? we'll go to turnberry again— lifestyle choices? we'll go to turnberry again to ask why won't the turnberry again to ask why won't ane nnann— turnberry again to ask why won't the british open— turnberry again to ask why won't the british open golf championship go back there, given— championship go back there, given na— championship go back there, given an ane— championship go back there, given it's the number one rated in europe— given it's the number one rated course in europe and britain and win— course in europe and britain and win anenne— course in europe and britain and win anenna ae— course in europe and britain and will attempt to have a civilised debate— will attempt to have a civilised debate between _ will attempt to have a civilised debate between animal rising and nenaaa— debate between animal rising and richard pitman_ debate between animal rising and richard pitman on— debate between animal rising and richard pitman on why it's eanageeae— richard pitman on why it's outrageous to— richard pitman on why it's outrageous to attempt to disrupt the outrageous to attempt to disrupt ane epsom— outrageous to attempt to disrupt ane naeen denny— outrageous to attempt to disrupt the epsom derby this saturday. anae— the epsom derby this saturday. anaa ana— the epsom derby this saturday. that and much— the epsom derby this saturday. that and much more all at the moment— that and much more all at the moment nae— that and much more all at the moment. but first— that and much more all at the moment. but first let's get the

enn— moment. but first let's get the news with polly— moment. but first let's get the news with polly middlehurst . news with polly middlehurst. nigel— news with polly middlehurst. nagea thank— news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. _ news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. well,- news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you. well, the top story tonight is the breaking news that itv has ordered an external review following television presenter phillip schofield's statement and departure from the daytime tv show this morning. chief executive dame carolyn mccall wrote in a letter to the culture secretary and the ofcom chief executive that phillip had made assurances which he now acknowledges were untrue . and we acknowledges were untrue. and we at itv feel badly let down. we consider our approach reasonable and proportionate fit. at the time, the letter continued well, it was also sent to the chair of the culture media and sport committee in parliament and itv bosses are due to appear in front of mps on tuesday to answer questions about the presenter's affair with a younger male colleague . of younger male colleague. of course we'll have full coverage of that for you as it happens

next week. well, also breaking news today , boris johnson's news today, boris johnson's notebooks and whatsapp messages have handed to the cabinet have been handed to the cabinet office this afternoon. a spokesman for the prime minister saying is the one that has saying he is the one that has asked for the full and unredacted details to be disclosed urgently to the covid inquiry . see, that's after the inquiry. see, that's after the cabinet office previously argued the material may irrelevant . the material may be irrelevant. but downing has denied but downing street has denied that it's a cover up. the government has until tomorrow afternoon to hand over the evidence completely . but the evidence completely. but the main news today is that a former russian president has warned that public who that uk public officials who support ukraine are legitimate military targets. dmitry medvedev , who is now deputy medvedev, who is now deputy chairman of the kremlin's security council, says any uk military aid to kyiv represents what he called an undeclared war against russia. he called british officials goofy and britain and eternal enemy medvedev also says that under the hague and geneva conventions, the uk is considered to be a country at

war. well, the former british army colonel hamish de bretton—gordon told gb news earlier the comments aren't something to be concerned about . no, they're threats of nuclear anaen— . no, they're threats of nuclear anaen nea— . no, they're threats of nuclear attack for the _ . no, they're threats of nuclear attack for the last— no, they're threats of nuclear attack for the last 14 months nave— attack for the last 14 months nave been— attack for the last 14 months nave been ,— attack for the last 14 months have been , you— attack for the last 14 months have been , you know, a have been, you know, a completely— have been, you know, a completely vanished hinckley ann— completely vanished hinckley an en— completely vanished hinckley thin red line.— completely vanished hinckley thin red line. so— completely vanished hinckley thin red line. so i think aney-ne— thin red line. so i think they're getting pretty desperate. - they're getting pretty desperate. they know that the counter—offensive is coming and aney— counter—offensive is coming and eney knew— counter—offensive is coming and aney knew anat— counter—offensive is coming and they know that ourselves . the they know that ourselves. the enn— they know that ourselves. the enee ae— they know that ourselves. the brits are providing a lot of name,— brits are providing a lot of h..dw..e, a— brits are providing a lot of hardware, a lot— brits are providing a lot of hardware, a lot of intelligence, ana— hardware, a lot of intelligence, and aney— hardware, a lot of intelligence, and they think— hardware, a lot of intelligence, and they think by— hardware, a lot of intelligence, and they think by threatening renne— and they think by threatening nnne aneyne — and they think by threatening rmps they're going to change anen— rmps they're going to change anen nine. — rmps they're going to change their mind. might work in reena— their mind. might work in russia. n— their mind. might work in russia. it won't work in this country — russia. it won't work in this country. well,— russia. it won't work in this country. wm "cry; russia. it won't work in this country. ynez“ "yfizz; " russia. it won't work in this country. ynez“ ”afizz; " russia. it won't work in this country. ynez“ ”afizz; z country. well, here in the uk, rail passengers across the country have been facing travel disruption today due to strike action by the aslef . union action by the aslef. union members walked out today and are set to do so again on saturday. meanwhile rmt union members will walk out on friday. that will cause major problems for football fans travelling to london for the fa cup final at wembley. the aslef general secretary, mick whelan , accuses secretary, mick whelan, accuses the government of not wanting a

resolution, but the government says it has facilitated a fair and reasonable pay offer. lastly, all tariffs have now been removed on goods exported from the uk to australia and new zealand . it's the first trade zealand. it's the first trade deal with the countries to come into effect in a post—brexit negotiation on shipments of british goods such as signed beano.com links are among the first to be sent under the new arrangements. it also means that red tape will be slashed for digital trade and work visas . as digital trade and work visas. as you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news . channel it was . channel- . it was seen to be . channel— . it was seen to be the . channel it was seen to be the biggest health - it was seen to be the biggest neann-ne-a— . it was seen to be the biggest health-we'd faced- . it was seen to be the biggest health-we'd faced since- health threat we'd faced since the health threat we'd faced since ane-snannn- health threat we'd faced since the-spanish flu- health threat we'd faced since the spanish flu of the so—called spanish flu of ene— the so—called spanish flu of en us— the so—called spanish flu of en us ae— the so—called spanish flu of 1919 us as covid 19 hove into

new— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into .— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into . ae— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into . as we— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into view . as we saw,— 1919 us as covid 19 hove into view . as we saw, the distressing view. as we saw, the distressing scenes from milano in northern nay,— scenes from milano in northern nay, ane— scenes from milano in northern italy, the government decided , italy, the government decided, along— italy, the government decided, along enn— italy, the government decided, along with many— italy, the government decided, along with many other governments, that we had to lock down— governments, that we had to lock down ane — governments, that we had to lock down the country— governments, that we had to lock down the country and effectively teen— down the country and effectively teen nann— down the country and effectively lock down the— down the country and effectively lock down the economy . i can't lock down the economy. i can't say— lock down the economy. i can't say say— lock down the economy. i can't say eay anat— lock down the economy. i can't say eay anaa ._ lock down the economy. i can't say say that i blame them for none— say say that i blame them for none in— say say that i blame them for none in once— say say that i blame them for doing it. once but i really do name— doing it. once but i really do naane anem— doing it. once but i really do blame them for— doing it. once but i really do blame them for doing it over and . ._ blame them for doing it over and . aeauy— blame them for doing it over and over. i really do— blame them for doing it over and over. i really do blame blame them for doing it over and over . i really do blame them for over. i really do blame them for creating— over. i really do blame them for creating a— over. i really do blame them for creating a culture— over. i really do blame them for creating a culture of fear, anne— creating a culture of fear, using advertising campaigns, manne— using advertising campaigns, making ene— using advertising campaigns, making sure any debate that queenenea— making sure any debate that questioned the— making sure any debate that questioned the actions was effectively— questioned the actions was effectively suppressed , where effectively suppressed, where newspapers— effectively suppressed, where newspapers would expose people as newspapers would expose people ae cayenne— newspapers would expose people as covidiots if— newspapers would expose people as covidiots if they— newspapers would expose people as covidiots if they dared enauenee— as covidiots if they dared challenge the— as covidiots if they dared challenge the established line and ne— challenge the established line and we learnt— challenge the established line and we learnt and i mean, eeeaneee— and we learnt and i mean, geeaneee ne— and we learnt and i mean, goodness me, we had we had nonessen— goodness me, we had we had professor karol— goodness me, we had we had professor karol sikora on the anew— professor karol sikora on the snow ene— professor karol sikora on the show this week, _ professor karol sikora on the show this week, one of the men anae— show this week, one of the men anaa wanea — show this week, one of the men that warned actually the health impacte— that warned actually the health impacts ef— that warned actually the health impacts of lockdown would be greater— impacts of lockdown would be greaaen anan— impacts of lockdown would be greater than if— impacts of lockdown would be greater than if covid was allowed— greater than if covid was allowed ae— greater than if covid was allowed to let— greater than if covid was allowed to let rip. and we know long— allowed to let rip. and we know long term— allowed to let rip. and we know long team we— allowed to let rip. and we know long term it has— allowed to let rip. and we know long term it has been an economic disaster for the

county— economic disaster for the country .— economic disaster for the eewnwy . n— economic disaster for the country . it has- economic disaster for the country . it has been a health of country. it has been a health of physical— country. it has been a health of physical health— country. it has been a health of physical health disaster for the country.— physical health disaster for the country we— physical health disaster for the country. it's been— physical health disaster for the country. it's been a psychological disaster for the country.— psychological disaster for the eewnwy. wow,— psychological disaster for the eewnwy. wow, i— psychological disaster for the country. now, i don't entirely wane— country. now, i don't entirely wane ew— country. now, i don't entirely blame our government alone for ane— blame our government alone for ane- anew— blame our government alone for this. after all,— blame our government alone for this. after all, many other european— this. after all, many other european governments, many other seawee— european governments, many other states in— european governments, many other states in america— european governments, many other states in america took the same sweaen— states in america took the same view. sweden and— states in america took the same view. sweden and florida perhaps being— view. sweden and florida perhaps being ane— view. sweden and florida perhaps being the exceptions to the rule . nae— being the exceptions to the rule . nae en— being the exceptions to the rule . but of course— being the exceptions to the rule . but of course the— being the exceptions to the rule . but of course the time has fea— . but of course the time has come for a full— . but of course the time has come for a full and thorough nanny— come for a full and thorough nanny anae— come for a full and thorough inquiry into what happened , why inquiry into what happened, why it inquiry into what happened, why we nannenea,— inquiry into what happened, why it happened, and— inquiry into what happened, why it happened, and what we can wean— it happened, and what we can learn in— it happened, and what we can learn in case— it happened, and what we can learn in case there are future pandemics-_ learn in case there are future pandemics. and— learn in case there are future pandemics. and i'm talking about this pandemics. and i'm talking about ann assuming— pandemics. and i'm talking about this assuming we— pandemics. and i'm talking about this assuming we will not sign up this assuming we will not sign an we— this assuming we will not sign an we ane— this assuming we will not sign an we ane w.n.o.— this assuming we will not sign up to the who. whose pandemic weaay— up to the who. whose pandemic weaay ,— up to the who. whose pandemic weaay , wnen— up to the who. whose pandemic treaty , which if— up to the who. whose pandemic treaty , which if we— up to the who. whose pandemic treaty , which if we do, of treaty, which if we do, of course, all— treaty, which if we do, of course, all bets are off because ane— course, all bets are off because we nnnen— course, all bets are off because the british government wouldn't nave— the british government wouldn't nave a— the british government wouldn't nave a say. — the british government wouldn't nave a say. nae— the british government wouldn't have a say. but isn't it interesting— have a say. but isn't it interesting that the swedes anene— interesting that the swedes anene nanny— interesting that the swedes there inquiry into covid done aaeaea— there inquiry into covid done aweaea ewe— there inquiry into covid done dusted over as— there inquiry into covid done dusted over as we've appointed baroness hallett_ dusted over as we've appointed baroness hallett to run it. aney-we— baroness hallett to run it. aney-we spent— baroness hallett to run it. they've spent tens of millions of they've spent tens of millions on newnes— they've spent tens of millions of pounds already. they haven't as ye— of pounds already. they haven't as yet interviewed— of pounds already. they haven't as yet interviewed a single ninetee— as yet interviewed a single minister outer. _ as yet interviewed a single minister outer. but despite

eneee— minister outer. but despite those criticisms , is it right those criticisms, is it right anae— those criticisms, is it right anaa anae— those criticisms, is it right that that inquiry should see none— that that inquiry should see boris johnson's— that that inquiry should see boris johnson's diaries an enawe— boris johnson's diaries an emails from — boris johnson's diaries an emails from that period? well wnaa— emails from that period? well wnaa awa— emails from that period? well wnaa we we— emails from that period? well what did we learn from the leak of what did we learn from the leak an au— what did we learn from the leak an au ane— what did we learn from the leak of all the emails— what did we learn from the leak of all the emails that came from nan— of all the emails that came from wan naneeew— of all the emails that came from matt hancock, we— of all the emails that came from matt hancock, we learnt there was an attitude— matt hancock, we learnt there was an attitude towards government— was an attitude towards government ,- was an attitude towards government , a contempt for government, a contempt for ordinary— government, a contempt for ordinary people— government, a contempt for ordinary people , a desire to ordinary people, a desire to make— ordinary people, a desire to make sure there— ordinary people, a desire to make sure there were political outcomes, even— make sure there were political outcomes, even if— make sure there were political outcomes, even if there were no neann— outcomes, even if there were no health benefits— outcomes, even if there were no health benefits to— outcomes, even if there were no health benefits to them. i aneaena— health benefits to them. i thought some— health benefits to them. i thought some of the sheer eynenn — thought some of the sheer cynicism ism— thought some of the sheer cynicism ism that hancock aaewayea— cynicism ism that hancock displayed was— cynicism ism that hancock displayed was disgusting. so i believed— displayed was disgusting. so i believed in— displayed was disgusting. so i believed in this— displayed was disgusting. so i believed in this situation . even believed in this situation. even if believed in this situation. even n were— believed in this situation. even if anene n— believed in this situation. even if there is private— believed in this situation. even if there is private and personal naaenaw— if there is private and personal material, even— if there is private and personal material, even if— if there is private and personal material, even if there is naaena— material, even if there is material here— material, even if there is material here that would be of a national— material here that would be of a national security— material here that would be of a national security interest, i believe— national security interest, i believe we— national security interest, i believe it's right that that ann— believe it's right that that ann n— believe it's right that that ann e au— believe it's right that that this is all handed over. now, ane— this is all handed over. now, ane weeewe— this is all handed over. now, the pressure on— this is all handed over. now, the pressure on boris johnson nae— the pressure on boris johnson nae been— the pressure on boris johnson has been enormous. the deadline for an— has been enormous. the deadline for an en— has been enormous. the deadline for an an ann— has been enormous. the deadline for all of this is— has been enormous. the deadline for all of this is 4:00 tomorrow. _ for all of this is 4:00 tomorrow. borisjohnson for all of this is 4:00 tomorrow. boris johnson has now give“— tomorrow. boris johnson has now given ane— tomorrow. boris johnson has now given the cabinet— tomorrow. boris johnson has now given the cabinet office access to an— given the cabinet office access to an at— given the cabinet office access to an of ne— given the cabinet office access to all of his whatsapp messages and au—

to all of his whatsapp messages and an at— to all of his whatsapp messages and an of ne— to all of his whatsapp messages and all of his diaries. to all of his whatsapp messages and all of his diaries . so now and all of his diaries. so now ane— and all of his diaries. so now we nau— and all of his diaries. so now we ban is— and all of his diaries. so now the ball is very— and all of his diaries. so now the ball is very firmly in the coun— the ball is very firmly in the am at— the ball is very firmly in the court of rishi— the ball is very firmly in the court of rishi sunak and he appeare— court of rishi sunak and he appears ae— court of rishi sunak and he appears to te— court of rishi sunak and he appears to be very reluctant not to nann— appears to be very reluctant not to nana ante— appears to be very reluctant not to hand this data— appears to be very reluctant not to hand this data over. i ask you— to hand this data over. i ask you ,_ to hand this data over. i ask you , ae— to hand this data over. i ask you , ea yew— to hand this data over. i ask you , do you think there is you, do you think there is a an— you, do you think there is a up going— you, do you think there is a cover up going on here? let me knew— cover up going on here? let me knew wnaa— cover up going on here? let me knew wnaa yew— cover up going on here? let me know what you think. farage at gb know what you think. farage at an newe— know what you think. farage at en new eenn— know what you think. farage at gb news .com. well calvi arranger, former adviser to tens— arranger, former adviser to boris johnson— arranger, former adviser to boris johnson while he was mayor of boris johnson while he was mayor et lenten— boris johnson while he was mayor et keneen ane— boris johnson while he was mayor of london and now— boris johnson while he was mayor of london and now political commentator— of london and now political commentator calvi you know if knee— commentator calvi you know if aneae ae— commentator calvi you know if aneae .— commentator calvi you know if there are i want— commentator calvi you know if there are i want to— commentator calvi you know if there are i want to say this to begin— there are i want to say this to begin witn— there are i want to say this to begin win if— there are i want to say this to begin with, if in— there are i want to say this to begin with, if in boris's etanee— begin with, if in boris's diaries and— begin with, if in boris's diaries and whatsapps, there are very— diaries and whatsapps, there are very eeaeenak— diaries and whatsapps, there are very personal things of no relevance . s— very personal things of no relevance . s if— very personal things of no relevance . s if there are issues relevance. s if there are issues of relevance. s if there are issues ea eeaennak— relevance. s if there are issues of potential national security , of potential national security, he of potential national security, ne anen— of potential national security, ne anen et— of potential national security, he then of course, baroness taken— he then of course, baroness hallett must— he then of course, baroness hallett must make sure they are not hallett must make sure they are net teatty— hallett must make sure they are net teatty eat— hallett must make sure they are not really out to— hallett must make sure they are not really out to the public. ant— not really out to the public. ant .— not really out to the public. ant . want— not really out to the public. and i want to— not really out to the public. and i want to make that clear tren— and i want to make that clear teen tt-e— and i want to make that clear teen we we— and i want to make that clear from it's the first— and i want to make that clear from it's the first concern, ten-t— from it's the first concern, ten-t tte — from it's the first concern, isn't it? ' azly from it's the first concern,- isn't it? absolutely , especially isn't it? absolutely, especially when we see things leaking like the proverbial sieve from government. that's a that's government. so that's a that's a concern because as soon as it goes to other people, yes. i

mean, look, you know, matt naneeek— mean, look, you know, matt hancock trusted— mean, look, you know, matt hancock trusted isabel oakeshott wttn — hancock trusted isabel oakeshott wttn att— hancock trusted isabel oakeshott wttn att nie— hancock trusted isabel oakeshott with all his emails— hancock trusted isabel oakeshott with all his emails and the wnete— with all his emails and the wnete tet— with all his emails and the whole lot of— with all his emails and the whole lot of people. i mean, yee— whole lot of people. i mean, ye nett— whole lot of people. i mean, you're right, there are elements of you're right, there are elements et tne— you're right, there are elements et tne ctwt— you're right, there are elements of the civil service _ you're right, there are elements of the civil service that appear to of the civil service that appear te te— of the civil service that appear te be at— of the civil service that appear te be at wa— of the civil service that appear to be at war with— of the civil service that appear to be at war with the conservative - to be at war with the conservative get conservative party. and i get tnat— conservative party. and i get tnat pent.— conservative party. and i get that point. but— conservative party. and i get that point. but but back to the beginning— that point. but but back to the beginning et— that point. but but back to the beginning of what i was saying at-etan,— beginning of what i was saying at-start,-know,- beginning of what i was saying at-start,-know, i,- beginning of what i was saying at-start,-know, i, i,- at the start, you know, i, i, i tettewe— at the start, you know, i, i, i believe that— at the start, you know, i, i, i believe that those subsequent successive lockdowns , as the successive lockdowns, as the entnane— successive lockdowns, as the continuance of— successive lockdowns, as the continuance of furlough policy, the continuance of furlough policy, tne eteetne— continuance of furlough policy, tne eteetne et— continuance of furlough policy, the closing of the— continuance of furlough policy, the closing of the economy, and i the closing of the economy, and . teeane— the closing of the economy, and i became more— the closing of the economy, and i became more and— the closing of the economy, and i became more and more sceptical and i became more and more sceptical ant eynteat— i became more and more sceptical ant eynteat ae— i became more and more sceptical and cynical as this— i became more and more sceptical and cynical as this whole eeeeee. we— and cynical as this whole process. and cynical as this whole- process. we heard you, nigel, we heard no, but i really did. and a lot of people quite fitzt and a lot of people quite rightly, wean.— a lot of people quite rightly, wean. ant— a lot of people quite rightly, yeah. and there— a lot of people quite rightly, yeah. and there were voices out were.— yeah. and there were voices out tnete. we— yeah. and there were voices out there. we found— yeah. and there were voices out there. we found ourselves etteettwety— there. we found ourselves effectively - off. - there. we found ourselves effectively off. kyiv on effectively closed off. kyiv on that...— effectively closed off. kyiv on twttten en— effectively closed off. kyiv on twitter, on facebook, mercifully not twitter, on facebook, mercifully net en— twitter, on facebook, mercifully net en en— twitter, on facebook, mercifully not on gb news,— twitter, on facebook, mercifully not on gb news, which is a genuine— not on gb news, which is a genwtne tree— not on gb news, which is a genuine free speech. broadcaster tnank— genuine free speech. broadcaster thank goodness— genuine free speech. broadcaster thank goodness .— genuine free speech. broadcaster thank goodness . but it was very, thank goodness. but it was very, very— thank goodness. but it was very, very tttttewtt— thank goodness. but it was very, very difficult to _ thank goodness. but it was very, very difficult to make any counterarguments to the prevailing— counterarguments to the prevailing orthodoxy . so big prevailing orthodoxy. so big eweetten— prevailing orthodoxy. so big eweetten tet— prevailing orthodoxy. so big question for you to begin with. is question for you to begin with. n it— question for you to begin with. n it nett— question for you to begin with. is it right that— question for you to begin with. is it right that baroness nattett— is it right that baroness hallett is—

is it right that baroness hallett is able to access as mean— hallett is able to access as much information mission as is neeetttee— much information mission as is neeetttee .— much information mission as is possible? i think— much information mission as is possible? i think on the basis, as we were saying and you were saying— as we were saying and you were eaytne tnat— as we were saying and you were eaytne tnat ence— as we were saying and you were saying that once this information- saying that once this information does go to the twenty— information does go to the tnewtty .— information does go to the tnewtty , tt— information does go to the inquiry , it stays with the inquiry, it stays with the twenty— inquiry, it stays with the inquiry unless relevant to be taken— inquiry unless relevant to be taken further— inquiry unless relevant to be taken further into the public tenatn. — taken further into the public domain. that— taken further into the public domain. that is— taken further into the public domain. : domain. that is the fundamental question. i think that's where the challenge is for the cabinet office for and the government, because it does set a precedent that the incumbent prime that anybody the incumbent prime minister, a former prime minister, a former prime minister, and let's be honest, there's a question here about this platform, whatsapp, because it as a private chat . it was seen as a private chat. it it wasn't seen as a mechanism to do formal government conversation. now if conversations bled into whatsapp, which all of our lives is proliferated , hasn't it, is proliferated, hasn't it, this, this this thing that suddenly emerged we used to do sms does anybody do that old fashioned text message anymore? we do whatsapp. we do direct messaging. do actually , messaging. so do i actually, i've signal. we've got all i've got signal. we've got all tneee— i've got signal. we've got all tneee-tneee— i've got signal. we've got all these-these things- gtzt gfiz we've got all these these things that these all of these things that ewttenty— these all of these things that suddenly appear— these all of these things that suddenly appear and become entwtnet— suddenly appear and become entwined into— suddenly appear and become entwined into the fabric of not teet— entwined into the fabric of not twat-twee,— entwined into the fabric of not just-lives, but— entwined into the fabric of not just lives, but daily just our lives, but our daily weak. —

just our lives, but our daily weak. i— just our lives, but our daily work. .i think- just our lives, but our daily work. just our lives, but our dailyi work. .i think there's a just our lives, but our daily- work. .i think there's a grey work. and i think there's a grey area which is coming area there which is now coming to about whatsapp, to the fore about whatsapp, personal, government personal, private government information, relevant ? information, what's relevant? and secondly, those conversations tend to be two way they aren't just somebody on broadcast . there's another broadcast. there's another conversation, someone else is having. so by seeing a person's conversation, you are seeing the other side of the conversation , other side of the conversation, context, context. of course. exactly. but then coming to your point , exactly. but then coming to your point, nigel, which is, you know what was how was government policy being made? i think we need to drag ourselves back to that time where we saw a rather reluctant boris johnson taking the country into lockdown, especially that first time and, you know, onwards ever more. so concerned about what was happening. but also, i just want to say this. there was a conversation that was was had hearing. i'm sorry just for a eent— hearing. i'm sorry just for a moment here.— hearing. i'm sorry just for a moment here. i'm- g i'm sorry just for a moment here. i'm sorry. i keep nearing— moment here. i'm sorry. i keep neanne nette— moment here. i'm sorry. i keep hearing boris johnson believes in hearing boris johnson believes tn tew— hearing boris johnson believes tn tew tax,— hearing boris johnson believes in low tax, but— hearing boris johnson believes in low tax, but he— hearing boris johnson believes in low tax, but he puts taxes ”p— in low tax, but he puts taxes an. .— in low tax, but he puts taxes at. t keen— in low tax, but he puts taxes up. i keep hearing boris tenneen-e— up. i keep hearing boris johnson's a— up. i keep hearing boris johnson's a libertarian . and johnson's a libertarian. and yet,— johnson's a libertarian. and yet, even— johnson's a libertarian. and yet, even against his better twteenent— yet, even against his better twteenent .— yet, even against his better twteenent , ne— yet, even against his better judgement, he kept approving teektewne—

judgement, he kept approving lockdowns and— judgement, he kept approving lockdowns and the harshest restrictions— lockdowns and the harshest restrictions ever— lockdowns and the harshest restrictions ever imposed on the entnn— restrictions ever imposed on the entten peepte— restrictions ever imposed on the british people. you— restrictions ever imposed on the british people. you know, not even in wartime.— british people. you know, not even in wartime. yes. did we take— even in wartime. yes. did we take away— even in wartime. yes. did we take away people's liberties? vea— take away people's liberties? ven weak— take away people's liberties? you work with— take away people's liberties? you work with him when he was mayer— you work with him when he was mayer et— you work with him when he was mayor of london— you work with him when he was mayor of london on these clearly are mayor of london on these clearly ntt— mayor of london on these clearly are his character— mayor of london on these clearly are his character weaknesses. he are his character weaknesses. ne nta— are his character weaknesses. ne tn ntan— are his character weaknesses. he his main challenge- are his character weaknesses. he his main challenge and even when i worked with him and everyone who's ever worked with him will tell you this, is that he take everybody's opinion he will take everybody's opinion on to everyone on board. he listens to everyone in the room, rightly wrongly in the room, rightly or wrongly , become quite , and that can become quite challenging and he was getting a lot of information. we all saw the scientific officer and the chief scientific officer and the chief scientific officer and the medical officer the chief medical officer standing either side of the prime minister every time they were having those press conferences and the conferences agreeing. and the protecting the nhs line . now protecting the nhs line. now this is the pressure. the prime minister was under from these experts , from from the experts, from from the government to say this is what you've got to do. now, if he was going to stand aside and make a separate political decision, i think he would have had an even further difficulty with just with the with government, with the experts, nhs, about how experts, with the nhs, about how we way through. and as we made our way through. and as you pretty much you said, nigel, pretty much every in the world

every other country in the world was following this . doesn't mean was following this. doesn't mean they were right. it doesn't mean was following this. doesn't mean theythey right. it doesn't mean was following this. doesn't mean theythey rightright.tesn't mean was following this. doesn't mean theythey rightright. but, mean was following this. doesn't mean theythey rightright. but, but an that they were right. but, but they . given that he's been they did. given that he's been veeenet— they did. given that he's been repenet again— they did. given that he's been reported again by— t: t: given that he's been reported again by the cabinet etttee— reported again by the cabinet office-potential- reported again by the cabinet office potential breaches of office for potential breaches of teektewn— office for potential breaches of teektewn te— office for potential breaches of lockdown, do you— office for potential breaches of lockdown, do you feel there's an etenent— lockdown, do you feel there's an etenent et— lockdown, do you feel there's an element of witch— lockdown, do you feel there's an element of witch hunt against yew— element of witch hunt against yew ett— element of witch hunt against your old friend? _ element of witch hunt against your old friend? �*vvt�*tzll your old friend? well, you say. reporter cabinet reporter i think the cabinet office yet say office has has yet to say whether made decision or whether it made a decision or what he's done. it's just information which he hasn't been allowed clarify. they allowed to clarify. if they provided it without asking him, context wasn't right. he's again provided said provided the information he said it's been cleared by his lawyers that this was legal. what that this was all legal. what was happening. so i think, you know, there's still seems to be a steady drip feed of information that seems to damage bofis information that seems to damage boris johnson. and i think we've got to understand why that's happening, why is it that there is so much information that flows through the cabinet office sometimes without ministers oversight, even it needs to tighten up . government needs to tighten up. government needs to do things in a way that people can understand the process. we don't want to do it by the civil service punishing boris johnson for service punishing boris johnson

tea event— service punishing boris johnson for brexit that— service punishing boris johnson for brexit that i— {.tz; punishing boris johnson for brexit that i couldn't eeeettty— for brexit that i couldn't eeeettty eay. - for brexit that i couldn't possibly say. for brexit that i couldn't- possibly say. i think, you know , the two things seem to be separate there because you've got brexit is something that has happened. boris johnson has been prime minister and ran the country and has done some wonderful things for the country, but also in times of need. covid was a time of need. the war in ukraine was a time of need led through those need and he led through those areas. i don't think people would hold some those things would hold some of those things against i think the civil against him. i think the civil service can't persecute or shouldn't former shouldn't persecute a former prime minister. it may feel that way. i know people use the word witch hunt. i think we have to ask ourselves , why do you do ask ourselves, why do you do these pieces of information? keep getting drip fed out . keep getting drip fed out. there's due process. there's a covid pas is a problem. covid faux pas is a problem. let's go through it. i think we all have a problem and i hope baroness hallett keeps this stuff tight to her chest. stuff very tight to her chest. i hope so too. the ball is now ttvnty— hope so too. the ball is now ttvnty tn— hope so too. the ball is now tttnty tn tne— hope so too. the ball is now firmly in the prime- the ball is now firmly in the prime minister's eewt— firmly in the prime minister'sl eewn—tt-e court and some are saying it's etteeevy— court and some are saying it's etteeevy. retent— court and some are saying it's slippery. rishi he— court and some are saying it's slippery. rishi he won't answer wnetnev— slippery. rishi he won't answer wnetnev ty— slippery. rishi he won't answer whether by 4:00— slippery. rishi he won't answer whether by 4:00 tomorrow he's whether by 4:00 pm tomorrow he's going— whether by 4:00 pm tomorrow he's goinglhand_ whether by 4:00 pm tomorrow he's goinglhand att— whether by 4:00 pm tomorrow he's going hand all these going to hand all these documents— going to hand all these documents do going to hand all these documents-do think he

documents over. do you think he wttte— documents over. do you think he wttte .— documents over. do you think he wttte . tntnk— documents over. do you think he will? i think there— documents over. do you think he will? i think there is a pressure on- will? i think there is a pressure on the government to tant— pressure on the government to nant tnte— pressure on the government to hand this information over. mm hand this information over. now tnat— hand this information over. now that news— hand this information over. now that boris johnson— hand this information over. now that boris johnson has- hand this information over. now that boris johnson has handed it to them . so, you know, if we're to them. so, you know, if we're going to have transparency, if we're going kick ball we're going to kick that ball away that there's away that says there's a so—called cover up, then we're going to have to go forward with information. then i think that opens up to everybody else's opens it up to everybody else's messages as well. that's a messages as well. and that's a challenge government. the challenge for government. the issue is the government and issue here is the government and the inquiry must put context around how this information comes forward so that the public understand and absolutely get that. covid thank you for joining— that. covid thank you for joining ne— that. covid thank you for joining ne .— that. covid thank you for joining me . and- covid thank you for joining me . and a piece of joining me. and a piece of advice— joining me. and a piece of atvtee tet— joining me. and a piece of advice for me— joining me. and a piece of advice for me ,_ joining me. and a piece of advice for me , for you, for all advice for me, for you, for all of advice for me, for you, for all et yea— advice for me, for you, for all et yew .— advice for me, for you, for all et yew . n— advice for me, for you, for all of you . if you're— advice for me, for you, for all of you . if you're on whatsapp, of you. if you're on whatsapp, use disappearing— of you. if you're on whatsapp, use disappearing messages teeaaee— use disappearing messages teaaetnen— use disappearing messages because then they disappear and netety— because then they disappear and netety tan— because then they disappear and nobody can ever— because then they disappear and nobody can ever catch up with you— nobody can ever catch up with yew again.— nobody can ever catch up with yew agatn. ant— nobody can ever catch up with you again. and that's certainly wnat— you again. and that's certainly wnat .— you again. and that's certainly wnat . tntnk— you again. and that's certainly what i think everyone ought to do. what i think everyone ought to te. nat— what i think everyone ought to te. tat tn— what i think everyone ought to do. but in this— what i think everyone ought to do. but in this case, let's get it eat— do. but in this case, let's get it eat tneve. — do. but in this case, let's get it out there. let's— do. but in this case, let's get it out there. let's try and eetattten— it out there. let's try and establish the— it out there. let's try and establish the truth. now now, the institute _ establish the truth. now now, the institute of— establish the truth. now now, the institute of economic attain— the institute of economic affairs have— the institute of economic affairs have just done a big ewvey— affairs have just done a big ewvey ant— affairs have just done a big survey and guess what? the uk is

the survey and guess what? the uk is tne nwnnet— survey and guess what? the uk is the number one— survey and guess what? the uk is the number one nanny state in the number one nanny state in tne twenean— the number one nanny state in the european time zone. we are tntevtennt— the european time zone. we are tntenennt tn— the european time zone. we are interfering in terms of people , interfering in terms of people, neveenat— interfering in terms of people, personal choices— interfering in terms of people, personal choices and habits, tnan— personal choices and habits, more than any— personal choices and habits, more than any other country with tans— more than any other country with tane ant— more than any other country with bans and taxes— more than any other country with bans and taxes .— more than any other country with bans and taxes. is— more than any other country with bans and taxes. is it making the entry— bans and taxes. is it making the entry any— bans and taxes. is it making the country any healthier ? no. is country any healthier? no. is tneve— country any healthier? no. is tneve a— country any healthier? no. is there a better— country any healthier? no. is there a better way? well wilfred emmanuel—jones,_ there a better way? well wilfred emmanuel—jones, in a moment, wit— emmanuel—jones, in a moment, wttt tetn— emmanuel—jones, in a moment, wttt tetn ne— emmanuel—jones, in a moment, wttt tetn me te— emmanuel—jones, in a moment, will join me to perhaps give us a better— will join me to perhaps give us a tettev way— will join me to perhaps give us a better way forward . a better way forward. centnt— a better way forward. coming we- a better way forward. coming up on dan wootton tonight , attev— coming up on dan wootton tonight , attev tanenn— coming up on dan wootton tonight , after eamonn holmes exposed the , after eamonn holmes exposed tne ttetwttnt— , after eamonn holmes exposed the disturbing truth about his tee— the disturbing truth about his former colleague, phillip senettett— former colleague, phillip schofield . _ former colleague, phillip schofield . ' t: g former colleague, phillip- schofield . and this morning now, schofield. and this morning now, phillips, female arch nemesis speaks out against the toxic culture at itv after she was dnven culture at itv after she was driven to feeling suicidal by this shocking on air confrontation. ian this shocking on air confrontation . ian i'm honest confrontation. ian i'm honest vea— confrontation. ian i'm honest now. you don't— confrontation. ian i'm honest now. you don't seem- f ian i'm honest now. you don't seem right to me. sitting,— now. you don't seem right to me. sttttnt, ettttnt— now. you don't seem right to me. sitting, sitting here— now. you don't seem right to me. sitting, sitting here now. i mean, your speech is a bit etanet— mean, your speech is a bit etwnet. .— mean, your speech is a bit slurred. i mean,- mean, your speech is a bit slurred. i mean, how do you how are slurred. i mean, how do you how yew— slurred. i mean, how do you how yew teettnt— slurred. i mean, how do you how are you feeling now? it is a bit

tren— are you feeling now? it is a bit teen ttv— are you feeling now? it is a bit from itv daytime— are you feeling now? it is a bit from itv daytime star kerry katena— from itv daytime star kerry katena ntte— from itv daytime star kerry katona hits out— from itv daytime star kerry katona hits out at the woke broadcaster— katona hits out at the woke broadcaster in— katona hits out at the woke broadcaster in another bombshell eewettve — broadcaster in another bombshell eewettve 9 — broadcaster in another bombshell eewettve 9 te— broadcaster in another bombshell exclusive 9 to 11— broadcaster in another bombshell exclusive 9 to 11 pm. only on an — exclusive 9 to 11 pm. only on an newe— exclusive 9 to 11 pm. only on gb news, britain's news .

so many shows. it's happened again. you're listening to gb wewe— again. you're listening to gb wewe tatte— again. you're listening to gb wewe katte .— again. you're listening to gb news radio . yes— g " you're listening to gb news radio . yes we all pgp " you're listening to gb news radio . yes we all know. news radio. yes we all know. yest— news radio. yes we all know. vet. we— news radio. yes we all know. vet. we natty— news radio. yes we all know. yes, we really do. _ news radio. yes we all know. yes, we really do. all- news radio. yes we all know. yes, we really do. all know excess alcohol isn't good for you. smoking isn't good for you. huge consumption of sugary dnnks huge consumption of sugary drinks and bad food isn't good for you . i think we all actually for you. i think we all actually know that. and yet the reaction from our government has been to clamp down with alcohol taxes. astonishing tobacco taxes and bans on smoking in fact, everywhere you look , the everywhere you look, the government is telling us what we can't do, attempting to ban us and taxing us to the hilt. the only exception being vapes, where we appear to have taken very little action. and really

interesting that the institute of economic affairs, they have said to us that with a number one nanny state in europe and yet is our health getting any better? no, actually, as a country, it's declining . is country, it's declining. is there a better way of doing this? well, i'm joined by wilfred emmanuel jones, mba farmer , food entrepreneur. and farmer, food entrepreneur. and of course, you have your your black farmer range of products and you've had a chance of trying some brilliant. i've been all of it. i like the vodka particularly, but oh gosh hey i'll be in trouble here as well. but listen, everything that- but listen, everything that yeve— but listen, everything that yeve taet— but listen, everything that you've just said. yes. about eeente— you've just said. yes. about eeeete knew— you've just said. yes. about people know what's right for tnen. — people know what's right for tnen. .we— people know what's right for them. we should leave it them. yes, we should leave it tewn— them. yes, we should leave it tewnlneente— them. yes, we should leave it- down-people-decisions down to people to make decisions ateat—ant— down to people to make decisions about—and what- down to people to make decisions about and what food about what drink and what food tnat— about what drink and what food tnat tney— about what drink and what food that they consume. but what has teen— that they consume. but what has teen naeeentnt— that they consume. but what has been happening the last been happening over the last ten:— been happening over the last ten—tnat- ten, 15 years is that governments have been going ten, 15 years is that— governments have been going to the supermarkets— governments have been going to the supermarkets ,_ governments have been going to the supermarkets , it's been the supermarkets, it's been going— the supermarkets, it's been tetnt te— the supermarkets, it's been tetnt te tne— the supermarkets, it's been going to the manufacturers and saying— going to the manufacturers and eaytnt te— going to the manufacturers and eaytne te wen,— going to the manufacturers and saying to them, okay, someone nae— saying to them, okay, someone nae tene— saying to them, okay, someone nae eat— saying to them, okay, someone has come out with— saying to them, okay, someone has come out with some report tnat-e— has come out with some report was eaytnt— has come out with some report that's saying the— has come out with some report that's saying the reason for eteetty— that's saying the reason for eteetty te— that's saying the reason for obesity is your— that's saying the reason for obesity is your fault. mr

supermarket— obesity is your fault. mr supermarket ,- obesity is your fault. mr supermarket , your fault supermarket, your fault manufacturer- supermarket, your fault manufacturer and therefore we want— manufacturer and therefore we want yew— manufacturer and therefore we want yew te— manufacturer and therefore we want yew te eat— manufacturer and therefore we want you to put less salt in tees— want you to put less salt in test enta— want you to put less salt in less sugar and— want you to put less salt in less sugar and less fat in and at tne— less sugar and less fat in and at the bottom _ less sugar and less fat in and at the bottom line is this the twee— at the bottom line is this the tnvee tntnte— at the bottom line is this the three things that— at the bottom line is this the three things that make food taste— three things that make food taste teet— three things that make food taste good is— three things that make food taste good is fat salt and seat— taste good is fat salt and seat tew— taste good is fat salt and sugar. now all- taste good is fat salt and sugar. now all you've got to do is nave— sugar. now all you've got to do is nave tne— sugar. now all you've got to do is have the self—discipline of knewtnt— is have the self—discipline of knewtnt new— is have the self—discipline of knowing how much you have . knowing how much you have. ven-te— knowing how much you have. ven-re net— knowing how much you have. you're not preaching- knowing how much you have. /tz. f g i'm you're not preaching. i'm telling you what- /tz. f g i'm telling you what you're v/tz. f g i'm telling you what you're not. vene— telling you what you're not. vewve veatty— telling you what you're not. you're really saying this is a we enewtt— you're really saying this is a we should have— you're really saying this is a we should have personal responsibility— we should have personal responsibility . oh, man. we should have personal responsibility. oh, man. i'm tetttnt— responsibility. oh, man. i'm tetttnt yew.— responsibility. oh, man. i'm telling you, it's— responsibility. oh, man. i'm telling you, it's we're getting inte— telling you, it's we're getting tnte a— telling you, it's we're getting into a society— telling you, it's we're getting into a society where it's always someone else's fault, rather tnan— someone else's fault, rather than actually— someone else's fault, rather than actually people saying or knewtnt— than actually people saying or knewtnt tt-e— than actually people saying or knowing it's down to them . and knowing it's down to them. and our knowing it's down to them. and teet— knowing it's down to them. and our food industry— knowing it's down to them. and our food industry are really etavttnt— our food industry are really etavttnt te— our food industry are really starting to dictate to people wnat— starting to dictate to people wnat tney— starting to dictate to people what they can— starting to dictate to people what they can and cannot consume. and— what they can and cannot consume. and so one of the reasons i've got— consume. and so one of the reasons i've got i- consume. and so one of the reasons i've got i launched my want.— reasons i've got i launched my tvant. tet— reasons i've got i launched my brand, for example, is that a lot brand, for example, is that a tet et— brand, for example, is that a tet et tne— brand, for example, is that a lot of the products, when tney-ve— lot of the products, when tney-ve eat— lot of the products, when they're out there and they're tatte— they're out there and they're tatte want.— they're out there and they're quite bland, they're bland teeaaee— quite bland, they're bland because the— quite bland, they're bland because the things that make it taste— because the things that make it taste-nave— because the things that make it taste-have been- because the things that make it taste have been taken out. taste good have been taken out. ant— taste good have been taken out. ant ee— taste good have been taken out. ant ee tt— taste good have been taken out. ant ee tt-neente- taste good have been taken out. and so it people like me an and so it gave people like me an eeeenwntty— and so it gave people like me an eeeenwntty te— and so it gave people like me an eeeenwntty te te— and so it gave people like me an opportunity to do something atewt— opportunity to do something atewt-we— opportunity to do something ateat-we a— opportunity to do something

about us a great taste. about giving us a great taste. now:— about giving us a great taste. wew. tt— about giving us a great taste. wew. it yet— about giving us a great taste. wew. tt yew ate— about giving us a great taste. now, if you ate my sausages all day— now, if you ate my sausages all tay tent.— now, if you ate my sausages all tay tent. yee— now, if you ate my sausages all day long, you're going to have a serious problem,— day long, you're going to have a serious problem, not only with eteetty— serious problem, not only with eteetty. tt-e— serious problem, not only with obesity, it's not— serious problem, not only with obesity, it's not going to be teet— obesity, it's not going to be teet-se— obesity, it's not going to be teet-se-netl good for you. so i'm not atveeattnt— good for you. so i'm not advocating that. what i'm atveeattnt— advocating that. what i'm advocating to _ advocating that. what i'm advocating to is that advocating to people is that tney— advocating to people is that tney take— advocating to people is that they take some— advocating to people is that they take some responsibility ant— they take some responsibility ant-tenan- they take some responsibility and certain things and there's certain things the eweevnavkete— and there's certain things the supermarkets started and there's certain things the- supermarkets-started to and there's certain things the- su;becausets-started to and there's certain things the su;because it's started to and there's certain things the su;because it's been started to and there's certain things the su;because it's been dictated d to and there's certain things the su;because it's been dictated to :o do because it's been dictated to tnen — do because it's been dictated to tnen ty— do because it's been dictated to them by government. do you remember when— them by government. do you remember when used to be remember when you used to be atte— remember when you used to be ante-inte— remember when you used to be able into supermarkets able to go into the supermarkets and able to go into the supermarkets ant-atte— able to go into the supermarkets ant-ante te— able to go into the supermarkets and-able to have- and you'd be able to have your eweeet— and you'd be able to have your sweets-at— and you'd be able to have your sweets-at-till- and you'd be able to have your sweets-at-till and- and you'd be able to have your sweets at till and all sweets right at the till and all tnate— sweets right at the till and all tnate-new— sweets right at the till and all that?-now gone.- sweets right at the till and all that? now gone. it's had that? that's now gone. it's had to that? that's now gone. it's had te te— that? that's now gone. it's had te be put— that? that's now gone. it's had te be put went— that? that's now gone. it's had to be put right at— that? that's now gone. it's had to be put right at the back of tne— to be put right at the back of tne eteve— to be put right at the back of the store because— to be put right at the back of the store because they don't tntnk— the store because they don't tntnkiean— the store because they don't think-can be— the store because they don't think can be responsible, think we can be responsible, natt— think we can be responsible,. meet—yew must be remote. we can't, you knew.— must be remote. we can't, you knew-tant— must be remote. we can't, you know,.can't allow- must be remote. we can't, you know, can't allow people to know, we can't allow people to make— know, we can't allow people to make-evn— know, we can't allow people to make-own choices.- know, we can't allow people to make own choices. we have make their own choices. we have to make their own choices. we have te-tnte— make their own choices. we have te-tnte tne— make their own choices. we have to-into the back- make their own choices. we have to-into the back of- make their own choices. we have to into the back of the to put it into the back of the etee — to put it into the back of the etee se— to put it into the back of the store. so that's— to put it into the back of the store. so that's what they've etavtet— store. so that's what they've etanet te — store. so that's what they've started to do,— store. so that's what they've started to do, is— store. so that's what they've started to do, is the things tnat— started to do, is the things tnat we— started to do, is the things that we like _ started to do, is the things that we like when we want to ttve— that we like when we want to give ourselves— that we like when we want to give ourselves a— that we like when we want to give ourselves a treat, we've tet— give ourselves a treat, we've tet te— give ourselves a treat, we've tet te 90— give ourselves a treat, we've now got to go wandering for it ant— now got to go wandering for it ant .— now got to go wandering for it ant . taet— now got to go wandering for it and i just don't— now got to go wandering for it and i just don't think that is een—ant- sort of acceptable. and it's tneee— sort of acceptable. and it's tneee-tnat- sort of acceptable. and it'si these -that-going sort of acceptable. and it's- these-that-going out these groups that are going out tetnt— these groups that are going out tetnt tnte— these groups that are going out doing this research and say this is tne— doing this research and say this is tne veeaen— doing this research and say this is the reason people are is the reason why people are navtnt— is the reason why people are navtnt tneee— is the reason why people are having these health conditions. so-government,- having these health conditions. so government, you do so therefore, government, you do eenetntnt—wel something about it. you if we go tack—yew— something about it. you if we go tack—yew knew.- something about it. you if we go back—you know, youj back a few years, you know, you were a conservative—

back a few years, you know, you were a conservative party aettvtet— were a conservative party aettvtet. — were a conservative party activist . you- were a conservative party activist. v/vz. activist. you were a parliamentary candy idiot. you are a libertarian. you believe and you've expounded it very fully and very passionately that actually we take responsibility for our lives. you know, we don't want to live in a nanny state. it doesn't work anyway . state. it doesn't work anyway. how is it this policy that you were so much a part of has has gone down this route? it's as though you are talking to a socialist government. the type of things socialist government. the type et tntnte tnat— socialist government. the type of things that have— socialist government. the type of things that have now- f g the type of things that have now been taken— of things that have now been taken ae— of things that have now been taken as natt— of things that have now been taken as part of— of things that have now been taken as part of the mainstream . tt-e— taken as part of the mainstream . tt-e veatty— taken as part of the mainstream . it's really shocking and then tene— . it's really shocking and then tene ave— . it's really shocking and then gene tne— . it's really shocking and then gone are the days— . it's really shocking and then gone are the days when we had et— gone are the days when we had et ny— gone are the days when we had et ny gveat— gone are the days when we had one of my great favourites was tnatenenen — one of my great favourites was thatcherism that— one of my great favourites was thatcherism that actually agreed and recognised— thatcherism that actually agreed and recognised that people are mean— and recognised that people are mean tettev— and recognised that people are much better if— and recognised that people are much better if they're giving some response— much better if they're giving some response ability to look attev— some response ability to look after themselves— some response ability to look after themselves . and it seems after themselves. and it seems tnat— after themselves. and it seems tnat tne— after themselves. and it seems that the woke— after themselves. and it seems that the woke brigade are the wne— that the woke brigade are the ones who are now trying to ttetate— ones who are now trying to ttetate te— ones who are now trying to dictate to us— ones who are now trying to dictate to us what we should and enewttn-t— dictate to us what we should and enewttn-t te— dictate to us what we should and shouldn't do with— dictate to us what we should and shouldn't do with our lives. and i shouldn't do with our lives. and kinet— shouldn't do with our lives. and ttwet-eenee— shouldn't do with our lives. and ttaet-eenee at- shouldn't do with our lives. and ijust-comes at a- shouldn't do with our lives. and i just comes at a time i just think it comes at a time wnen— i just think it comes at a time when somebody— i just think it comes at a time when somebody has to stand up ant— when somebody has to stand up ant-te— when somebody has to stand up ant-ts enewgn.— when somebody has to stand up and is enough. and and say it is enough. and this is tnewgn—

and say it is enough. and this is though actually this is what the is though actually this is what tne eeantvy— is though actually this is what tne eewntvy te— is though actually this is what the country is crying out for someone-brave- the country is crying out for someone brave enough to someone who's brave enough to say.— someone who's brave enough to say—te- someone who's brave enough to say—te take- someone who's brave enough to say,_to take thisi say, we don't want to take this nonsense anymore. to be nonsense anymore. we want to be atte— nonsense anymore. we want to be attelte— nonsense anymore. we want to be attelte-tne— nonsense anymore. we want to be able . be -the freedom - nonsense anymore. we want to be able be the freedom to able to be given the freedom to do able to be given the freedom to te—oav- do things ourselves. our pvettens— do things ourselves. our problems-not- do things ourselves. our problems not all because problems are not all because somebody has it. somebody else has done it. exactly right. done it to exactly right. we've done it to ourselves. ulez exactly right. it's ourselves. ulez exactly right. we vevy— ourselves. ulez exactly right. it's very interesting,- ulez exactly right. it's very interesting, wilfred, navtng— it's very interesting, wilfred, navtng-en. - it's very interesting, wilfred, navtng-en. tn- it's very interesting, wilfred, having on. i'm sorry. having you back on. i'm sorry. tn— having you back on. i'm sorry. tn net— having you back on. i'm sorry. tn net eave— having you back on. i'm sorry. tn net .— having you back on. i'm sorry. i'm not sure , but— having you back on. i'm sorry. i'm not sure , but i- having you back on. i'm sorry. i'm not sure , but i could be i'm not sure, but i could be yakktng— i'm not sure, but i could be yakktnglagee- i'm not sure, but i could be yakking ages. no, no, no. yakking for ages. no, no, no. necause— yakking for ages. no, no, no. because actually,— yakking for ages. no, no, no. because actually, what- yakking for ages. no, no, no. because actually, what you've just what you've just preached, what you've spoken , would now be seen spoken about, would now be seen by many other broadcasters to be on caring that you have literally, literally abdicated the role of government in making our lives better. you're saying we've got to stand up as grown ups on our own two feet, look after ourselves and make our own decisions. and could i just say etnev— decisions. and could i just say one other thing— decisions. and could i just say one other thing that- v:z;vt. and could i just say one other thing that really tvvttatee— one other thing that really irritates me?— one other thing that really irritates me? there's a lot of eeente— irritates me? there's a lot of eeeete wne— irritates me? there's a lot of people who make a lot of money by tetttng— people who make a lot of money by tetttng-veet— people who make a lot of money by telling-rest of— people who make a lot of money by telling rest of us what by telling the rest of us what we-te— by telling the rest of us what we-te wttn— by telling the rest of us what we - do with - lives. i we should do with our lives. we— we should do with our lives. tt-e-eeente— we should do with our lives. tt-e-neeete we- we should do with our lives. it's people we should be it's those people we should be getttng— it's those people we should be getttnglet.— it's those people we should be getttnglet. tt-e— it's those people we should be getting of. it's amazing. getting rid of. it's amazing. tneve-e— getting rid of. it's amazing. tneve-e a— getting rid of. it's amazing. there's a massive industry out tteve— there's a massive industry out tteve-ee— there's a massive industry out there,-so called- there's a massive industry out there, so called people there, these so called people tetttng— there, these so called people

tetttng we— there, these so called people telling us, those— there, these so called people telling us, those of us down tneve— telling us, those of us down there actually— telling us, those of us down there actually do what we say vatnev— there actually do what we say vatnev tnan— there actually do what we say rather than do _ there actually do what we say rather than do what you want. ttayte— rather than do what you want. ttayte tneve-e— rather than do what you want. maybe there's a— rather than do what you want. maybe there's a role- rather than do what you want. maybe there's a role here- rather than do what you want. maybe there's a role here for the church and the schools to teach concepts of personal teach these concepts of personal responsibility, too. well, i just think in— responsibility, too. well, i just think in all- l eat well, i just think in all families, we nave— just think in all families, we nave te— just think in all families, we have to recognise that you come tnte— have to recognise that you come tnte tnte— have to recognise that you come into this world— have to recognise that you come into this world on— have to recognise that you come into this world on your own. wnat— into this world on your own. wnat we— into this world on your own. wnat welae— into this world on your own. what we as parents is that we what we do as parents is that we gtve— what we do as parents is that we gtve-entttven— what we do as parents is that we give-children the— what we do as parents is that we give children the skills give our children the skills tney— give our children the skills tney-te— give our children the skills they-to.able- give our children the skills they-to i able to i give our children the skills they to able to go give our children the skills- they-to.able to go out they need to be able to go out tneve— they need to be able to go out tneve tn— they need to be able to go out tneve tn the— they need to be able to go out there in this world— they need to be able to go out there in this world make there in this world and make eenetntng— there in this world and make something-own- there in this world and make something own rather something of their own rather tnan— something of their own rather tnan tntnk— something of their own rather than think it's— something of their own rather than think it's going be than think it's going to be nantet— than think it's going to be handed -them- than think it's going to be handed -them .- than think it's going to be- handed -them . we've got handed down to them. we've got tnte— handed down to them. we've got tnte a— handed down to them. we've got tnte a ewttwve— handed down to them. we've got into a culture where people eeeenw— into a culture where people somehow feel— into a culture where people somehow feel they're owed it. we— somehow feel they're owed it. we nantet— somehow feel they're owed it. it's handed down— somehow feel they're owed it. it's handed down to them. i agvee— it's handed down to them. i agvee-net— it's handed down to them. i agree not acceptable. great agree it's not acceptable. great to agree it's not acceptable. great te — agree it's not acceptable. great te tt-e— agree it's not acceptable. great to see. it's nice— agree it's not acceptable. great to see. it's nice to— agree it's not acceptable. great to see. it's nice to be on a gwn. — to see. it's nice to be on a gwn. t— to see. it's nice to be on a gwn. t tntnk— to see. it's nice to be on a gun. i think we- to see. it's nice to be on a gun. to see. it's nice to be on a- gun. i think we may have to do a regular feature. common sense will alfred's common sense and that's what it is. and actually what wilfred said, if anybody had said this a few decades ago would have been considered. well, of course, obviously . and well, of course, obviously. and yet now, as the state gets bigger and bigger and bigger , we bigger and bigger and bigger, we all think that actually we're not responsible for anything. and the state will bail us out. and the state will bail us out. and you know what? it doesn't

work. in moment, return to work. in a moment, we return to the turnberry on the the magnificent turnberry on the day the royal and ancient saint andrews golf club have decided that the british open will not go to the number one golf course in britain and europe . why? in britain and europe. why? because a certain american friend of called donald friend of mine called donald owns it all of that in just a moment .

bombshell exclusive, 9 to 11 pm. only on gb news, britain's p.m. only on gb news, britain's news . channel few weeks ago, we news. channel few weeks ago, we at— news. channel few weeks ago, we were at turnberry— news. channel few weeks ago, we were at turnberry up— news. channel few weeks ago, we were at turnberry up on- " few weeks ago, we were at turnberry up on the west ceaet— were at turnberry up on the west ceaet et— were at turnberry up on the west coast of scotland— were at turnberry up on the west coast of scotland in ayrshire, ant— coast of scotland in ayrshire, ant we— coast of scotland in ayrshire, and we were there with donald tvwnn— and we were there with donald trumpv wne— and we were there with donald trump, who owns— and we were there with donald trump, who owns the course and is trump, who owns the course and te tnneneety— trump, who owns the course and is immensely proud— trump, who owns the course and is immensely proud of it. here he is immensely proud of it. here ne wae— is immensely proud of it. here he was talking— is immensely proud of it. here he was talking about the course ant— he was talking about the course antlnveeneete— he was talking about the course and-prospects of— he was talking about the course and prospects of hosting the and its prospects of hosting the nvttten— and its prospects of hosting the nvttten eten— and its prospects of hosting the british open golf— and its prospects of hosting the british open golf championship . british open golf championship. they— british open golf championship. they want— british open golf championship. they want te— british open golf championship. they want to te— british open golf championship. they want to be back— british open golf championship. they want to be back here- british open golf championship. they want to be back here very badly. they think i'm a controversial figure, but they want to be, you know , it's in want to be, you know, it's in the rota and everybody says it's the rota and everybody says it's the best course in the world.

but, you know, sometimes controversy is good. but yeah, i think so . controversy is good. but yeah, i think so. think controversy is good. but yeah, i think so . think think controversy is good. but yeah, i think so. think think i'm think so. i think they think i'm a bit of a controversial a little bit of a controversial figure even as president. but they're hurting. they're hurting golf because everybody wants to be a turnberry . everybody. the be a turnberry. everybody. the pros want to be here and the people want it to be here. this place would be packed. and actually, not controversial. actually, i'm not controversial. i done. actually, i'm not controversial. i done . well i just get things done. well that was donald trump on turnberry and he is, i have to say inordinately proud of it. he's changed 13 of the 18 holes wnen— he's changed 13 of the 18 holes wnen t— he's changed 13 of the 18 holes wnen t wae— he's changed 13 of the 18 holes when i was there— he's changed 13 of the 18 holes when i was there with him at tnat— when i was there with him at tnat tne— when i was there with him at that time, the _ when i was there with him at that time, the sixth and eeventn— that time, the sixth and seventh, he _ that time, the sixth and seventh, he thought could be tettev. — seventh, he thought could be even better. but— seventh, he thought could be even better. but despite being on even better. but despite being en tne— even better. but despite being en tne teta— even better. but despite being on the rota for— even better. but despite being on the rota for the open golf cnanetenentn— on the rota for the open golf championship, the royal and anetent— championship, the royal and ancient saint— championship, the royal and ancient saint andrews have announced today they not be announced today they will not be vetwvntng— announced today they will not be vetwvntng tn— announced today they will not be returning in the— announced today they will not be returning in the short term to twvntevvy— returning in the short term to turnberry because they're wevvtet— turnberry because they're worried about— turnberry because they're worried about possible distract tweetane— worried about possible distract russians. well,— worried about possible distract russians. well, me now russians. well, joining me now tewn— russians. well, joining me now tewn-te— russians. well, joining me now tewn-te katen- russians. well, joining me now down is ralph pojani , down the line is ralph pojani, the down the line is ralph pojani, tne genevat— down the line is ralph pojani, the general manager of trump twvntevvy— the general manager of trump twvntevvy. se— the general manager of trump turnberry. so ralph, they're not going— turnberry. so ralph, they're not getng te— turnberry. so ralph, they're not getng te eene— turnberry. so ralph, they're not going to come to— turnberry. so ralph, they're not going to come to you . the going to come to you. the entnn— going to come to you. the british open— going to come to you. the british open is— going to come to you. the british open is not going to come. clearly— british open is not going to come. clearly the hotel is not geet— come. clearly the hotel is not geet enewgn.— come. clearly the hotel is not good enough. and the golf course ten-t— good enough. and the golf course

ten-t geet— good enough. and the golf course isn't good enough— good enough. and the golf course isn't good enough . e: g isn't good enough. good evening, nigel. well, actually, i think the real thing we need to talk aboutis the real thing we need to talk about is probably three things. the history , the golfers with the history, the golfers with the course and also the family. they're the important things here. i mean, the history at turnberry, nigel goes back to 1892 when five guys from girvan decided to build to create the course, and then the ailsa was born in 1902. it then survived , born in 1902. it then survived, as you know, because we saw the history when you were there, two world wars , it was rebuilt again world wars, it was rebuilt again and went on to host four open championships and the most magnificent open championship of all . the 1977 duel magnificent open championship of all. the 1977 duel in magnificent open championship of all . the 1977 duel in the sun. all. the 1977 duel in the sun. you know, so there's no question whether the open should return to turnberry. it's a i think it's a fact. nigel yeah, i mean, clearly this this word that the rna used, they're worried about distracts russians. they're worried about— v: f t they're worried about donald trump being

a ttggev— worried about donald trump being attggev ttnge— worried about donald trump being a bigger figure here than the gen. — a bigger figure here than the gen. tt— a bigger figure here than the gen. tt tne— a bigger figure here than the golf. if the event came to twvntevvy— golf. if the event came to turnberry, do _ golf. if the event came to turnberry, do you think that's a fair decision— turnberry, do you think that's a fair decision from _ turnberry, do you think that's a fair decision from them ? m fair decision from them? no. teveenatty— fair decision from them? no. teveenatty. t— fair decision from them? no. personally, i don't- fair decision from them? no. personally, i don't believe so, because i think i think what's important here is the is the golfers, you know, i mean, i think , you know, too often now think, you know, too often now people don't put the you know , people don't put the you know, the day time, the work job stuff to one side. what we need to focus on is golf the ailsa course is a magnificent course. it's number one as you said, uk ireland and europe just now you know the question i get asked every single day by hundreds of golfers that come through turnberry is when. and i can't answer that the question i hate to get asked all the time is they ask me why not? you know, because i can't think of a valid reason not to bring it to, you know , back to the ailsa course know, back to the ailsa course next. i mean, the family, the investment and the commitment of the trump family have at turnberry is second to none. you know , 19 years i've been at

know, 19 years i've been at turnberry, three owners from , turnberry, three owners from, you know, great hotel companies through to sheikh maktoum when we were owned by dubai world. and nobody's shown the commitment to turnberry , to commitment to turnberry, to scotland and to the uk with the investment over . $200 scotland and to the uk with the investment over. $200 million committed to turnberry . but the committed to turnberry. but the most important thing, you know there is that every single penny we take goes back into the course , goes back into the hotel course, goes back into the hotel and goes back into the local community. so the commitment to scotland and golf is second to none. you know what, ralph , with none. you know what, ralph, with or without the british open , i or without the british open, i know that turnberry is going to go on being a massive success. the trumps are enormously- the trumps are enormously proud of the trumps are enormously proud et tt— the trumps are enormously proud et tt ant— the trumps are enormously proud et tt ant t— the trumps are enormously proud of it and i stayed— the trumps are enormously proud of it and i stayed there and yee— of it and i stayed there and ye tetng— of it and i stayed there and ye tetng a— of it and i stayed there and you're doing a great job and tt-e— you're doing a great job and we a— you're doing a great job and it's a fantastic— you're doing a great job and it's a fantastic place. so don't let it's a fantastic place. so don't tet tne— it's a fantastic place. so don't tet tne kwa— it's a fantastic place. so don't let the rna worry— it's a fantastic place. so don't let the rna worry you carry on tetng— let the rna worry you carry on tetng wnat— let the rna worry you carry on doing what you're— let the rna worry you carry on doing what you're doing. and tnank— doing what you're doing. and tnank yew— doing what you're doing. and tnank yew tet— doing what you're doing. and thank you for joining doing what you're doing. and thank you forjoining me thank you for joining me tentgtt— thank you for joining me tonight. here— thank you for joining me tonight. here we will do on gb wewe. — tonight. here we will do on gb wewe. tnank— tonight. here we will do on gb news. thank you— tonight. here we will do on gb news. thank you .— tonight. here we will do on gb news. thank you . the what? the news. thank you. the what? the tavage— news. thank you. the what? the tavage vnvneent— news. thank you. the what? the farage moment. i— news. thank you. the what? the farage moment. i bet you haven't neat— farage moment. i bet you haven't neavt tnte— farage moment. i bet you haven't neavt tnte twt— farage moment. i bet you haven't heard this, but i've— farage moment. i bet you haven't heard this, but i've warned you

teteve— heard this, but i've warned you teteve tnat— heard this, but i've warned you before that in— heard this, but i've warned you before that in the— heard this, but i've warned you before that in the pursuit of net— before that in the pursuit of net zero, governments will take away— net zero, governments will take away yewv— net zero, governments will take away your freedoms, your choices ant— away your freedoms, your choices ant yewv— away your freedoms, your choices and your liberties,— away your freedoms, your choices and your liberties, and they wtt— and your liberties, and they will diminish— and your liberties, and they will diminish your quality of ttve— will diminish your quality of we tn— will diminish your quality of life in france— will diminish your quality of life in france .— will diminish your quality of life in france . they are banning life in france. they are banning teneette— life in france. they are banning domestic flights. _ life in france. they are banning domestic flights. now, i'm not tektng— domestic flights. now, i'm not tektng. tney-ve— domestic flights. now, i'm not joking. they're banning domestic tttgnte— joking. they're banning domestic tttgnte en— joking. they're banning domestic flights on charter— joking. they're banning domestic flights on charter flights from vnvate— flights on charter flights from vnvate atveene— flights on charter flights from vnvate atveene .— flights on charter flights from major airports . they're also major airports. they're also tanntng— major airports. they're also banning private— major airports. they're also banning private jet charter tttgnte— banning private jet charter flights unless— banning private jet charter flights unless there's a very eneettte— flights unless there's a very specific business reason . now, specific business reason. now, tneve-e— specific business reason. now, tneve-e a— specific business reason. now, tneve-e a way— specific business reason. now, there's a way around this, of tne— there's a way around this, of course, the way— there's a way around this, of course, the way round it is if you— course, the way round it is if yew tan— course, the way round it is if yew get— course, the way round it is if yew get ty— course, the way round it is if you can get by train within 2.5 newe— you can get by train within 2.5 newve te— you can get by train within 2.5 newve te tne— you can get by train within 2.5 hours to the destination , all hours to the destination, all tne— hours to the destination, all tne tttgnte— hours to the destination, all the flights will— hours to the destination, all the flights will be banned . the flights will be banned. tvewtte— the flights will be banned. tvewtte te— the flights will be banned. trouble is, in— the flights will be banned. trouble is, in france, you go ant— trouble is, in france, you go ant tvy— trouble is, in france, you go ant tvy ant— trouble is, in france, you go ant tvy ant get— trouble is, in france, you go and try and get a train from vane. — and try and get a train from paris. you'll— and try and get a train from paris. you'll find— and try and get a train from paris. you'll find they're neavty— paris. you'll find they're nearly always- paris. you'll find they're nearly always full. probably tney-tt— nearly always full. probably tney-tt tene— nearly always full. probably they'll force more people away— they'll force more people actually back— they'll force more people actually back out onto the roads . tnte— actually back out onto the roads . the tan— actually back out onto the roads . the tan en— actually back out onto the roads . this ban on short— actually back out onto the roads . this ban on short haul flights ten-t— . this ban on short haul flights ten-t tntnk— . this ban on short haul flights don't think this— . this ban on short haul flights don't think this is— . this ban on short haul flights don't think this is confined to tvane— don't think this is confined to tvane tt-e— don't think this is confined to france. it's coming here soon in tne— france. it's coming here soon in tne nwvewtt— france. it's coming here soon in tne ewvewtt et— france. it's coming here soon in the pursuit of net— france. it's coming here soon in the pursuit of net zero. they wtt— the pursuit of net zero. they wttt take— the pursuit of net zero. they will take away— the pursuit of net zero. they will take away many of our eneteee— will take away many of our choices and— will take away many of our choices and many of our freedoms . ant— choices and many of our freedoms . ant att— choices and many of our freedoms . ant att tne— choices and many of our freedoms . and all the while,— choices and many of our freedoms . and all the while, the rest of

tne— . and all the while, the rest of tne went— . and all the while, the rest of the world will— . and all the while, the rest of the world will burn 8 billion tennee— the world will burn 8 billion tennee et— the world will burn 8 billion tonnes of coal— the world will burn 8 billion tonnes of coal in— the world will burn 8 billion tonnes of coal in 2023. well tatktng— tonnes of coal in 2023. well tatktng et— tonnes of coal in 2023. well talking of ridiculous ironies , talking of ridiculous ironies, it talking of ridiculous ironies, tt te— talking of ridiculous ironies, tt te gwtte— talking of ridiculous ironies, it is quite extraordinary to see new— it is quite extraordinary to see new a— it is quite extraordinary to see how a government that says it wante— how a government that says it wante te— how a government that says it wante te eten— how a government that says it wants to stop the _ how a government that says it wants to stop the boats and eentvet— wants to stop the boats and eentvet ew— wants to stop the boats and control our borders actually for yeave— control our borders actually for yeave ant— control our borders actually for years and still— control our borders actually for years and still goes on funding organisations— years and still goes on funding organisations who— years and still goes on funding organisations who are completely eeeeeet— organisations who are completely eeeeeet te— organisations who are completely opposed to virtually any form of tevtev— opposed to virtually any form of border control.— opposed to virtually any form of border control. it— opposed to virtually any form of border control. it makes you wentev— border control. it makes you wentev wne— border control. it makes you wonder who the _ border control. it makes you wonder who the real conservative party— wonder who the real conservative tavty — wonder who the real conservative tavty .— wonder who the real conservative tany . wett— wonder who the real conservative party are . well, of— wonder who the real conservative party are . well, of course, party are. well, of course, cnavtte— party are. well, of course, charlie peters— party are. well, of course, charlie peters is. the gb news tnveettgatee— charlie peters is. the gb news tnveettgatee .— charlie peters is. the gb news investigates . reporter charlie, investigates. reporter charlie, tett— investigates. reporter charlie, tett we— investigates. reporter charlie, tell us about— investigates. reporter charlie, tell us about this ludicrous etate— tell us about this ludicrous etate et— tell us about this ludicrous state of affairs— tell us about this ludicrous state of affairs . �*pt�*vz; state of affairs. we have a new update to this story now. so the telegraph broke yesterday that the government was funding to the government was funding to the tune of £1.36 million. the paul hamlyn foundation.- sty ll vzv" the paul hamlyn foundation. a 3ty ll vzv" the paul hamlyn foundation. a left wtng— paul hamlyn foundation. a left wtng eveeewve— paul hamlyn foundation. a left wing pressure group that was twentng— wing pressure group that was twentng-vtewe— wing pressure group that was pushing views that the pushing out views that the government's— pushing out views that the government's migration system was government's migration system wae—vaetet.- government's migration system waevaete—t ttl was systematically racist. it atee— was systematically racist. it atee-ttnke— was systematically racist. it also-links and- was systematically racist. it also-links and it- was systematically racist. it also links and it had funded also had links and it had funded one also had links and it had funded et— also had links and it had funded et tne— also had links and it had funded one of the members of the tttgvatten— one of the members of the migration advisory committee, a taty— migration advisory committee, a taty eattet— migration advisory committee, a lady called madeline sumption. it's lady called madeline sumption. tt-e-neveen— lady called madeline sumption. it's-person team - lady called madeline sumption. it's-person team .- lady called madeline sumption. it's person team . gb news

it's a five person team. gb news tteeteee— it's a five person team. gb news can disclose today— it's a five person team. gb news can disclose today that another vnevnetv— can disclose today that another member committee, member of the committee, tveteeeev— member of the committee, professor joe _ member of the committee, professor joe swaffield from the wntvevetty— professor joe swaffield from the university southampton, professor joe swaffield from the university southampton , is university of southampton, is atee— university of southampton, is wee—ty- university of southampton, is atee—ty a- university of southampton, is atee—ty a tett| university of southampton, is. also—by a left wing also being funded by a left wing eveeewve gvewn— also being funded by a left wing pressure group that is the joseph— pressure group that is the joseph rowntree foundation . it's joseph rowntree foundation. it's veeetvet— joseph rowntree foundation. it's veeetvet az— joseph rowntree foundation. it's received £2 million in government- received £2 million in government grants since 2020. sne— government grants since 2020. sne ette— government grants since 2020. sne ette at— government grants since 2020. she sits at the— government grants since 2020. she sits at the foundation as a tvwetee— she sits at the foundation as a tvwetee ant— she sits at the foundation as a trustee and it— she sits at the foundation as a trustee and it has— she sits at the foundation as a trustee and it has made a rather set trustee and it has made a rather eet et— trustee and it has made a rather set of controversial— trustee and it has made a rather set of controversial claims. it is set of controversial claims. it te tt— set of controversial claims. it te tt te— set of controversial claims. it is it is claim— set of controversial claims. it is it is claim that— set of controversial claims. it is it is claim that the ntgvatten— is it is claim that the migration policies in this eewntvy— migration policies in this eewntvy ave— migration policies in this country are institutionally vaetet— country are institutionally vaetet. tt— country are institutionally racist. it has— country are institutionally racist. it has slammed hostile ntgvatten— racist. it has slammed hostile migration policies and it's also its migration policies and it's also tte ete— migration policies and it's also tte cto nae— migration policies and it's also its ceo has said— migration policies and it's also its ceo has said that we've all gvewn— its ceo has said that we've all gvewn wn— its ceo has said that we've all gvewn we tn— its ceo has said that we've all grown up in institutions that teetev— grown up in institutions that foster racism _ grown up in institutions that foster racism and also it also twnte— foster racism and also it also funds detention— foster racism and also it also funds detention action, a pressure group linked to very tttevat— pressure group linked to very liberal approaches to migration, wnen— liberal approaches to migration, wnten nae— liberal approaches to migration, which has also— liberal approaches to migration, which has also slammed our tevtev— which has also slammed our border policies— which has also slammed our border policies as racist. so tne— border policies as racist. so the government— border policies as racist. so the government uses our money, taveayev— the government uses our money, taveayev neney— the government uses our money, taveayev neney te— the government uses our money, taxpayer money to fund organisations- taxpayer money to fund organisations who say basically tneve— organisations who say basically tneve enewtt— organisations who say basically there should be— organisations who say basically there should be no border eentvete— there should be no border controls whatsoever over whilst gevevnnent— controls whatsoever over whilst government policy is to stop the teate— government policy is to stop the teate ant— government policy is to stop the boats and reduce— government policy is to stop the boats and reduce immigration. tnteet— boats and reduce immigration. tnteet. ant— boats and reduce immigration. indeed, and the— boats and reduce immigration. indeed, and the remarkable thing is that this professor has registered her interests with

the government. it's publicly avattatte— the government. it's publicly available information - g it's publicly available information , so the available information, so the gevevnnent— available information, so the government must be aware that it is government must be aware that it te veeetvtng— government must be aware that it is receiving migration advice nen— is receiving migration advice tven a— is receiving migration advice tven a vevy— is receiving migration advice from a very small elite group tnat— from a very small elite group tnat te— from a very small elite group tnat te a— from a very small elite group that is a new— from a very small elite group that is a new labour founded ewange— that is a new labour founded ewange twtt— that is a new labour founded quango full of— that is a new labour founded quango full of people who are ttnket— quango full of people who are ttnket te— quango full of people who are linked to left— quango full of people who are linked to left wing pressure gvewne— linked to left wing pressure gvewee ee— linked to left wing pressure gvewee ee tney— linked to left wing pressure groups so they can say one thing on groups so they can say one thing en tnetv— groups so they can say one thing on their migration— groups so they can say one thing on their migration policy, but the on their migration policy, but tne atvtee— on their migration policy, but the advice they— on their migration policy, but the advice they choose to receive and _ the advice they choose to receive and the- the advice they choose to receive and the people they eneeee— receive and the people they eneeee te— receive and the people they choose to - say- receive and the people they- choose to - say completely choose to support say completely the choose to support say completely tne—wentev— the opposite. i wonder whether cnavtte— the opposite. i wonder whether cnavtte .— the opposite. i wonder whether charlie ,iwonder_ the opposite. i wonder whether charlie , wonder the charlie, i wonder whether the ntnteteve— charlie, i wonder whether the ministers ever— charlie, i wonder whether the ministers ever get told this etwtt. — ministers ever get told this etwtt. vee. — ministers ever get told this stuff. yes. well— ministers ever get told this stuff. yes. well it's all online if stuff. yes. well it's all online tt tney— stuff. yes. well it's all online tt tneyltney— stuff. yes. well it's all online if theylthey want- stuff. yes. well it's all online if they they want to. look, if they if they want to. look, i tntnk— if they if they want to. look, i tntnk eevnaee— if they if they want to. look, ii think perhaps—say think perhaps some might say tneve-e— think perhaps some might say tneve-e a— think perhaps some might say there's a dereliction of duty tven— there's a dereliction of duty tven tne— there's a dereliction of duty from the number of migration ntnteteve— from the number of migration ministers-had- from the number of migration ministers had who from the number of migration ministers-had who be ministers we've had who must be veeetvtng— ministers we've had who must be veeetvtng att— ministers we've had who must be receiving all this— ministers we've had who must be receiving all this information ministers we've had who must be rece ask] all this information ministers we've had who must be rece ask] all isis information ministers we've had who must be rece ask] all is actually ation and ask who is actually tntevntng— and ask who is actually informing me- and ask who is actually informing me and why aren't eeente— informing me and why aren't eeeete taktng— informing me and why aren't eeeete taktng a— informing me and why aren't people taking a look where people taking a look at where tnte— people taking a look at where this information— people taking a look at where this information coming from this information is coming from 7 this information is coming from e-etvtewety.— this information is coming from ?-obviously, the- this information is coming from ? obviously, the word ? i mean, obviously, the word vaetet— ? i mean, obviously, the word racist-bandied— ? i mean, obviously, the word racist bandied about the racist is bandied about all the tne— racist is bandied about all the tne-att— racist is bandied about all the time.all sorts— racist is bandied about all the time-all sorts of- racist is bandied about all the time all sorts of reasons, time for all sorts of reasons, twt— time for all sorts of reasons, twtlyewv— time for all sorts of reasons, twtlyewv ewn— time for all sorts of reasons, but your own policies, your but if your own policies, your own sensible— but if your own policies, your own sensible policies to reduce tene—neeetel tens of thousands of people eentng— tens of thousands of people coming illegally are coming over illegally are teeevttet— coming over illegally are described racist, surely described as racist, surely yew-t— described as racist, surely yew-t want— described as racist, surely you'd want to— described as racist, surely you'd want to check where that tntevnatten— you'd want to check where that information coming and you'd want to check where that inforisation coming and you'd want to check where that inforis pushing oming and you'd want to check where that inforis pushing thatig and you'd want to check where that inforis pushing that line and nd who is pushing that line and wnetnev— who is pushing that line and wnetnev ev— who is pushing that line and whether or not— who is pushing that line and whether or not the taxpayer is paying— whether or not the taxpayer is gaytng tet— whether or not the taxpayer is gaytng tev wen.— whether or not the taxpayer is paying for them. so what do we

do paying for them. so what do we te-ae— paying for them. so what do we te-ae a— paying for them. so what do we do-as a channel? - paying for them. so what do we do as a channel? v/vz. do now as a channel? you've been digging on this and digging deep on this others and for telegraph as for mark steyn telegraph as well, up what they well, for digging up what they have. what do we do now? do we write to suella braverman, the home secretary, rishi sunak home secretary, and rishi sunak , real , and demand that the real conservative party stands up? which are they? do they support these or they support these groups or do they support stopping boats? do stopping the boats? what do we do next? well, it's a question neveltne— do next? well, it's a question more-the politicians,- v:vzv zfiz;,k

gveat tet— charlie peters, you're doing a gveat tet neve— charlie peters, you're doing a great job here at— charlie peters, you're doing a great job here at gb news. we-ve— great job here at gb news. we-ve getng— great job here at gb news. we-ve getng te— great job here at gb news. we're going to write- great job here at gb news. we're going to write this program is going to write to suella ask her, suella braverman to ask her, does support these does she support these organisations that are funded by taxpayers money or does she support government policy ? in support government policy? in a moment we will discuss the upcoming epsom derby sponsored by betfred. this year. it takes place on epsom downs this saturday afternoon. animal rising, the group who caused mayhem at the grand national and in my view are the death and injury of horses unnecessarily are promising further action. we will have an open debate between animal rising and a representative of the racing industry. all of that in two minutes .

well, now, going back to early

april, it - well, now, going back to early aprib tt wae— . well, now, going back to early apn, tt tne— . well, now, going back to early april, it was the grand— april, it was the grand national. _ april, it was the grand national. i- april, it was the grand national. gvzv g april, it was the grand- national. i was going to the national. i was going to the national. for national. i hadn't been for blooming i a fabulous blooming years. i had a fabulous day. but i have to say it was all a bit disconcerting because the start was delayed by at least 15 minutes. and then when the got the start the horses got to the start line, there was a false start. they start again. this they had to start again. this was because of protests by was all because of protests by animal rising and what we saw in the first two fences we saw as many animals fall ill or dismount as we had in the previous nine years as on those two fences. and having actually seen some of those horses sweating up in the paddock before with all the delays , i'm before with all the delays, i'm not surprised. i was blooming angry. i felt animal rising had actually achieved the opposite result of their stated intentions . the following few intentions. the following few days, charlie brooks , racing man days, charlie brooks, racing man writes for the telegraph, wrote a piece which said , we live in a piece which said, we live in a democracy . we and everyone democracy. we and everyone should have the right to express

their opinion, assuming it is within the bounds of our democratic laws. and that rider is , i think, very, very is, i think, very, very important. and we're having these debates , of course, about these debates, of course, about just stop oil and what is legal and what is not. but what charlie brooks urged in the article is there's no point in the racing industry motty and its supporters like me , just its supporters like me, just saying these people are lunatics . us they're absolutely out of touch with the real world. what charlie argued is you have to have open and genuine debate, and that is exactly what we are about to do for the next few minutes, i'm joined by richard pitman for our british jockey and commentator on racing for 3737 years. so racing very much in richard's blood . and nathan in richard's blood. and nathan mcgovern, who is a spokesperson for animal rising . and i will for animal rising. and i will attempt i mean, you all know my point of view, but we want to have a civilised conversation

for the next 6 or 7 minutes. nathan your mob and i'm got to call them that you want to screw up the epsom derby this saturday. apparently a thousand of you are going to storm the track. so it isn't just jump racing. you're against you're against flat racing too. yeah so what's at the heart of this, agei— so what's at the heart of this, wtget te— so what's at the heart of this, wtget. te tne— so what's at the heart of this, nigel, is the fact— so what's at the heart of this, nigel, is the fact that we have a tveken— nigel, is the fact that we have a broken relationship with other antnate— a broken relationship with other antnate ant— a broken relationship with other animals and the— a broken relationship with other animals and the natural world. tew— animals and the natural world. vew knew.— animals and the natural world. vew knew. we— animals and the natural world. you know, we see— animals and the natural world. you know, we see it in our food eyeten— you know, we see it in our food eyeten. we— you know, we see it in our food eyeten. we eee— you know, we see it in our food system. we see it— you know, we see it in our food system. we see it when we use neveee— system. we see it when we use neveeelvaetng.— system. we see it when we use horses-racing. we- system. we see it when we use horses racing. we see, you horses for racing. we see, you knew.— horses for racing. we see, you knew. zo — horses for racing. we see, you know, 20 - have - horses for racing. we see, youj know, 20-have-on know, 20 horses have died on tvaeke— know, 20 horses have died on tvaeke tn— know, 20 horses have died on tvaeke tn tn— know, 20 horses have died on tracks in in the— know, 20 horses have died on tracks in in the uk this month atene— tracks in in the uk this month atene-tntnk— tracks in in the uk this month alone -think we- tracks in in the uk this month alone think we really alone. and i think we really neet— alone. and i think we really neetlnave— alone. and i think we really need-have a— alone. and i think we really need have a look ourselves need to have a look at ourselves ant—a— need to have a look at ourselves ant—a natten- need to have a look at ourselves and—a nation of- and think we're a nation of antnat— and think we're a nation of animal lovers. _ and think we're a nation of animal lovers. we need to make our animal lovers. we need to make aettene— animal lovers. we need to make our actions align— animal lovers. we need to make our actions align with that vatwe — our actions align with that vatwe ave— our actions align with that value. are you- our actions align with that value. ' ”vz; gg g value. are you suggesting that richard is not a lover of richard pitman is not a lover of horses? absolutely not. and horses? no, absolutely not. and as horses? no, absolutely not. and ae—ant— horses? no, absolutely not. and ae—ant weve- as i've just said, and we've had some fantastic— as i've just said, and we've had some fantastic discussions in tne— some fantastic discussions in tne eveen— some fantastic discussions in the green room,— some fantastic discussions in the green room, bet, you know, the green room, i bet, you know, i the green room, i bet, you know, t-ktenavt— the green room, i bet, you know, i-richard-does- the green room, i bet, you know, i-richard-does love. i think richard does does love neveee — i think richard does does love neveee .yew— i think richard does does love horses-you know,- i think richard does does love horses. you know, from where i think richard does does love horsstanding,)u know, from where i think richard does does love hors standing, we ;now, from where i think richard does does love hors standing, we need from where i think richard does does love hors standing, we need to m where i think richard does does love hors standing, we need to find �*iere i'm standing, we need to find a way— i'm standing, we need to find a way et— i'm standing, we need to find a way et tevtng— i'm standing, we need to find a way of loving these animals wttnewt— way of loving these animals without hurting— way of loving these animals without hurting them. ritz“ without hurting them. well, you knew.— without hurting them. well, you know, richard,— without hurting them. well, you know, richard, presume you know, richard, i presume you would we've seen some would argue that we've seen some photographs going put

photographs we're going to put on of your horses on the screen of your horses this afternoon. you love your neveee —vee.- this afternoon. you love your horses. yes. and horses. don't you? yes. and aten— horses. don't you? yes. and atee. att— horses. don't you? yes. and also, all trainers jockeys also, all trainers and jockeys do, it's a there's danger do, too. it's a there's danger in everything. but what i would like to say to nathan is i sympathise because you are a really good man and you you thought your your path out, but you're using us, you know , the you're using us, you know, the grand national derby because we're a big stage and it, it is a far bigger thing that you're against rather than horse racing. okay the point that ktenavt-e— racing. okay the point that richard's making- racing. okay the point that richard's making is- pvt g cite/p the point that richard's making is you're pvt. g cite/p the point that richard's making is you're using tneee— richard's making is you're using tneee ttg— richard's making is you're using these big spectaculars and of course, they're _ these big spectaculars and of course, they're global events , course, they're global events, twt— course, they're global events, twt aetwatty— course, they're global events, but actually akua really the wt — but actually akua really the wt te— but actually akua really the truth is nathan— but actually akua really the truth is nathan mcgovern , you truth is nathan mcgovern, you want— truth is nathan mcgovern, you want te— truth is nathan mcgovern, you want te eten— truth is nathan mcgovern, you want to stop us— truth is nathan mcgovern, you want to stop us riding horses eenetetetye— want to stop us riding horses completely? you— want to stop us riding horses completely? you want to stop us ewntng— completely? you want to stop us even owning horses as domestic antnatee— even owning horses as domestic antnatee vee— even owning horses as domestic antnatee vee — even owning horses as domestic animals? yes so— even owning horses as domestic animals? yes v: animals? yes so what i'd say is, you know, that's out in the open that i'd love us to have the conversation we're having here about, you know , our connection about, you know, our connection to animals and fact to these animals and the fact that if we do love them, as i

absolutely believe richard does, then we need to find ways where they die on tracks . okay. they don't die on tracks. okay. i understand you don't- v:vzv" . vz; vzv" okay. i understand you don't want jump vaetng— i understand you don't want jump vaetng. t— i understand you don't want jump vaetng. t tttn-t— i understand you don't want jump racing. i didn't know you also wantet— racing. i didn't know you also wantet te— racing. i didn't know you also wanted to stop— racing. i didn't know you also wanted to stop flat racing, but tneve— wanted to stop flat racing, but tneve we— wanted to stop flat racing, but tneve we — wanted to stop flat racing, but there we are. but— wanted to stop flat racing, but there we are. but i'm getting tne— there we are. but i'm getting tne teettng— there we are. but i'm getting the feeling you— there we are. but i'm getting the feeling you don't think we enewtt— the feeling you don't think we should-horses- the feeling you don't think we should horses and ride should even own horses and ride tnen — should even own horses and ride tnen tet— should even own horses and ride them for pleasure— should even own horses and ride them for pleasure at home. no no,-absolutely_ them for pleasure at home. no. no,-absolutely-i'd no, no. absolutely not. what i'd say is, you know, it extends far beyond on horses. it's, you know, when animals as, know, when we take animals as, you know, ours to and even you know, ours to use and even exploit, you i think we exploit, you know, i think we have look and really think, have to look and really think, you know, these the people you know, are these the people that we to be? we breed that we want to be? we breed these animals.— that we want to be? we breed these animals. they- :vv1z7 we breed these animals. they wouldn't :vv1z7 we breed theseif nimals. they wouldn't :vv1z7 we breed theseif we ials. they wouldn't :vv1z7 we breed theseif we didn'tiey wouldn't :vv1z7 we breed theseif we didn't breed uldn't :vv1z7 we breed theseif we didn't breed them. exist if we didn't breed them. t hey— exist if we didn't breed them. tney wewttn-t— exist if we didn't breed them. they wouldn't even exist. yeah, tnat-e— they wouldn't even exist. yeah, mate—gent.- they wouldn't even exist. yeah, that's point, nigel, that's a very good point, nigel, twt— that's a very good point, nigel, twt-nwnteve- that's a very good point, nigel, but numbers question. but it's not a numbers question. it's but it's not a numbers question. tte a— but it's not a numbers question. tte a want— but it's not a numbers question. it's a moral question,— but it's not a numbers question. it's a moral question,.it?- it's a moral question, is it? right to breed animals into existence purely nathan existence purely for nathan mcgovern's the mcgovern's world? what would the vetattenentn— mcgovern's world? what would the relationship-man- mcgovern's world? what would the relationship-man and- relationship between man and nevee— relationship between man and nevee tee— relationship between man and horse be? well,— relationship between man and horse be? well, you know, at horse be? well, so, you know, at tne— horse be? well, so, you know, at tne vnvneent— horse be? well, so, you know, at the moment there's— horse be? well, so, you know, at the moment there's about 12% of the moment there's about 12% of tne wk— the moment there's about 12% of tne wk te— the moment there's about 12% of the uk is forest— the moment there's about 12% of the uk is forest and we'd like to the uk is forest and we'd like te eee— the uk is forest and we'd like te a— the uk is forest and we'd like to see a much— the uk is forest and we'd like to see a much higher amount of tnat— to see a much higher amount of tnat ee— to see a much higher amount of tnat ee we— to see a much higher amount of tnat ee we can— to see a much higher amount of that so we can have— to see a much higher amount of that so we can have a real eetwtten— that so we can have a real eetwtten te— that so we can have a real solution to our— that so we can have a real solution to our biodiversity we— solution to our biodiversity crisis. we can— solution to our biodiversity crisis. we can see- solution to our biodiversity crisis. ev?“ v: crisis. we can see wild horses that only you know, on

that we only see, you know, on the scottish islands, we only see dartmoor. know, we'd see on dartmoor. you know, we'd love a world where i can love to see a world where i can walk, you know, 15 minutes out into the countryside and i can see dozens are you hang on, hang on. let me just pin you down. ave— on. let me just pin you down. ave yew— on. let me just pin you down. ave yew eaytng— on. let me just pin you down. are you saying that— let me just pin you down. are you saying that all horses in are you saying that all horses tn ew— are you saying that all horses tn eewntvy— are you saying that all horses in our country should be wild neveee— in our country should be wild neveee e — in our country should be wild neveee t we.— in our country should be wild horses ? no, i'm— in our country should be wild horses ? m g horses? no, i'm saying that all horses? no, i'm saying that all horses in this country should not exist purely for our use for them . well, richard, you've them. well, richard, you've neat— them. well, richard, you've neavt tne— them. well, richard, you've heard the case. _ them. well, richard, you've heard the case. he- well, richard, you've heard the case. vz; e v:. heard the case. he hasn't quite answered my question. but but do you get the feeling that you're being told you shouldn't own horses, you shouldn't breed horses, you shouldn't breed horses ? i mean, yeah, but it's horses? i mean, yeah, but it's far horses? i mean, yeah, but it's tav teenev— horses? i mean, yeah, but it's far deeper than— 7 i mean, yeah, but it's far deeper than that, isn't it, watnane— far deeper than that, isn't it, watnane t— far deeper than that, isn't it, nathan? i don't— far deeper than that, isn't it, nathan? i don't think that antnat— nathan? i don't think that animal rising— nathan? i don't think that animal rising wants any pets anywneve. — animal rising wants any pets anywneve. ant— animal rising wants any pets anywhere. and i— animal rising wants any pets anywhere. and i think you're ttkety— anywhere. and i think you're more likely to _ anywhere. and i think you're more likely to upset the nttttene— more likely to upset the millions of— more likely to upset the millions of dog owners and cat owners and goldfish owners by yew— owners and goldfish owners by yewv aetten. — owners and goldfish owners by your action. you— owners and goldfish owners by your action. you know, you're a tnevewgnty— your action. you know, you're a thoroughly committed man , but i thoroughly committed man, but i ten-t— thoroughly committed man, but i ten-t eee— thoroughly committed man, but i ten-t new— thoroughly committed man, but i don't see how it— thoroughly committed man, but i don't see how it happened . don't see how it happened. thoroughbreds— don't see how it happened. thoroughbreds are there like wean— thoroughbreds are there like weatn nett— thoroughbreds are there like usain bolt and— thoroughbreds are there like usain bolt and people like that. you usain bolt and people like that. vew knew.— usain bolt and people like that. vew knew. yew— usain bolt and people like that. you know, you put— usain bolt and people like that. you know, you put them in a

teveet— you know, you put them in a teveet .— you know, you put them in a teveet . tney— you know, you put them in a forest , they would not survive forest, they would not survive tne— forest, they would not survive tne teet— forest, they would not survive the breed would— forest, they would not survive the breed would die out . v:vzv the breed would die out. how do you the breed would die out. how do yew t— the breed would die out. how do yew t mean— the breed would die out. how do you i mean, richard , when you you i mean, richard, when you look at nathan and you've said he's sincere and we don't doubt that he is sincere and he wants to have a debate and thank goodness for that. you know, we saw ludicrous scenes at oxford university last night of people attempting shut down debate attempting to shut down debate and to have debate. but and we want to have debate. but you look animal rising, what you look at animal rising, what it stands for, how would you describe them? well, i'm fairly to describe them? well, i'm fairly te ne— describe them? well, i'm fairly te tt— describe them? well, i'm fairly te tt. ant— describe them? well, i'm fairly to new it. and coming- :t 7 well, i'm fairly to new it. and coming through . to new it. and coming through. vean— to new it. and coming through. wean tne— to new it. and coming through. yeah, the grand— to new it. and coming through. yeah, the grand national. and i tntnk— yeah, the grand national. and i tntnk we— yeah, the grand national. and i tntnk we at— yeah, the grand national. and i think we all have— yeah, the grand national. and i think we all have a right to enveee— think we all have a right to express our our— think we all have a right to express our our opinions . but express our our opinions. but wnen— express our our opinions. but wnen tt— express our our opinions. but wnen tt eevnee— express our our opinions. but when it comes to— express our our opinions. but when it comes to stopping a big tntng— when it comes to stopping a big tntng ttke— when it comes to stopping a big tntng ttke tne— when it comes to stopping a big thing like the derby and i don't knew— thing like the derby and i don't knew new— thing like the derby and i don't know how you're— thing like the derby and i don't know how you're going to do it. watnan— know how you're going to do it. watnan tte— know how you're going to do it. nathan it's about— know how you're going to do it. nathan it's about 800 acres, but i'm nathan it's about 800 acres, but tn ewe— nathan it's about 800 acres, but tn yee— nathan it's about 800 acres, but i'm sure you're not— nathan it's about 800 acres, but i'm sure you're not going to tett— i'm sure you're not going to tett ne— i'm sure you're not going to tett me new— i'm sure you're not going to tell me how you're going to do it, tell me how you're going to do tt. twt— tell me how you're going to do tt. twt ten-t— tell me how you're going to do tt. twt ten-t ge— tell me how you're going to do it, but don't go in— tell me how you're going to do it, but don't go in through the tvavetteve— it, but don't go in through the travellers camp— it, but don't go in through the travellers camp because you may not travellers camp because you may net-tne— travellers camp because you may net-tne etnev— travellers camp because you may not-the other end,- travellers camp because you may not the other end, but not get out the other end, but you— not get out the other end, but yew-tneee— not get out the other end, but you-these horses- not get out the other end, but you-these horses .- not get out the other end, but you these horses . nigel, you know, these horses. nigel, as you know, these horses. nigel, ae-wewtt— you know, these horses. nigel, as-would know,- you know, these horses. nigel, as would know, they as you would know, they thoroughbred— as you would know, they thoroughbred aids originated tven— thoroughbred aids originated from - horses— thoroughbred aids originated from horses and have gone

from arab horses and have gone tnvewgn— from arab horses and have gone tnvewgn tne— from arab horses and have gone through the mill— from arab horses and have gone through the mill over the years. we through the mill over the years. we nave— through the mill over the years. we have these— through the mill over the years. we have these beautiful animals . if we have these beautiful animals . tt yew— we have these beautiful animals . tt yew eeneete— we have these beautiful animals . if you compete in— we have these beautiful animals . if you compete in an arab tevee— . if you compete in an arab horse against— . if you compete in an arab horse against a— . if you compete in an arab horse against a thoroughbred, the thoroughbred would win by 50 tengtne. — the thoroughbred would win by 50 tengtne. .knew— the thoroughbred would win by 50 tengtne. .knew .— the thoroughbred would win by 50 lengths. .know , it's- the thoroughbred would win by 50 lengths. know , it's a breed lengths. you know, it's a breed tnat— lengths. you know, it's a breed tnat nae— lengths. you know, it's a breed that has been— lengths. you know, it's a breed that has been fine— lengths. you know, it's a breed that has been fine tuned and it is that has been fine tuned and it te a— that has been fine tuned and it te a vevy— that has been fine tuned and it is a very particular breed . is a very particular breed. veat— is a very particular breed. vean. t— is a very particular breed. yeah, i mean,— is a very particular breed. yeah, i mean, is- is a very particular breed. yeah, i mean, is richard pitman right? do you ultimately want to stop us not just having domesticated horses, but having cats and dogs ? yeah, but the cats and dogs? yeah, but the reason for that , let me just reason for that, let me just clarify that answer. so you don't think we should even have pet cats and dogs ? no, not not pet cats and dogs? no, not not for our use. you— pet cats and dogs? no, not not for our use. you know,- vt.p;f pv: :g7 no, not not for our use. you know, but vt.p: pv: :g7 no, not not for our use. you know, but what i for our use. you know, but what t tntnk— for our use. you know, but what t tntnk te— for our use. you know, but what t tntnk te tt— for our use. you know, but what i think is if you— for our use. you know, but what i think is if you let— for our use. you know, but what i think is if you let me evetatn— i think is if you let me explain, nigel, it's a very etvee— explain, nigel, it's a very extreme position, is that we're a-neente— extreme position, is that we're a-neente tnat- a nation of people that love antnate. — a nation of people that love animals. it's— a nation of people that love animals. it's-lot- a nation of people that love animals. it's lot of us animals. it's why a lot of us nave— animals. it's why a lot of us nave eate— animals. it's why a lot of us have cats and— animals. it's why a lot of us have cats and dogs in our homes. veat— have cats and dogs in our homes. vean twt— have cats and dogs in our homes. vean twt we— have cats and dogs in our homes. yeah but we also— have cats and dogs in our homes. yeah but we also live in a eewntvy— yeah but we also live in a eewntvy tnat— yeah but we also live in a country that has a barren tanteeane— country that has a barren landscape, devoid of biodiversity, of landscape, devoid of- biodiversity,-of animals biodiversity, devoid of animals . is biodiversity, devoid of animals . te tnat.— biodiversity, devoid of animals . te tnat. yew— biodiversity, devoid of animals . is that, you know, i would teve— . is that, you know, i would teveleee— . is that, you know, i would love-see-i'm- . is that, you know, i would love-see-i'm sure love to see return. i'm sure a tet— love to see return. i'm sure a tetlneente— love to see return. i'm sure a lot-people would- love to see return. i'm sure a lot people would love to see lot of people would love to see etwn — lot of people would love to see return. there's— lot of people would love to see return. there's cross—party eweeevt— support for things like vewttttng— support for things like- rewilding-would see rewilding where we would see antnate— rewilding where we would see

animals abundance in nature animals in abundance in nature ant— animals in abundance in nature ant we— animals in abundance in nature ant we knew— animals in abundance in nature ant we knew we— animals in abundance in nature and we know we wouldn't have to go and we know we wouldn't have to ge te— and we know we wouldn't have to ge te a— and we know we wouldn't have to ge te a teae— and we know we wouldn't have to go to a race track— and we know we wouldn't have to go to a race track to— and we know we wouldn't have to go to a race track to see horses aewnt— go to a race track to see horses aewnt we— go to a race track to see horses around. we wouldn't have to go to around. we wouldn't have to go te-eee— around. we wouldn't have to go te-eee tenne.- around. we wouldn't have to go to-see depher. you- to a zoo to see depher. you knew.— to a zoo to see depher. you knew. t— to a zoo to see depher. you knew. t teek— to a zoo to see depher. you know, i look, i— to a zoo to see depher. you know, i look, i am very much an ett— know, i look, i am very much an ett eeneet— know, i look, i am very much an old school environmentalist , you old school environmentalist, you knew.— old school environmentalist, you knew-teve— old school environmentalist, you knewlteve te. — old school environmentalist, you know,.love to. and- old school environmentalist, you know, love to. ' v: know, i'd love to. and one of tte— know, i'd love to. and one of the reasons i support shooting and fishing hunting that and fishing and hunting is that actually those actually it's through those activities that we see great husbandry of the countryside . husbandry of the countryside. but saying that these but you are saying that these protests we're going to see on saturday, ultimately are about totally changing man's relations with animals. so we don't even have pet dogs and cats. it's not about that. it's about- :g pfi: vt.p~pv it's not about that. it's about asking eeente— about that. it's about asking eeeete te— about that. it's about asking people to think— about that. it's about asking people to think about it. nigel ant— people to think about it. nigel ant te— people to think about it. nigel ant te eeeete— people to think about it. nigel and to people think about if tnetv— and to people think about if their actions— and to people think about if their actions align with their vaweet — their actions align with their vaweet t— their actions align with their values. i don't— their actions align with their values. i don't have the power to values. i don't have the power te enange— values. i don't have the power to change what— values. i don't have the power to change what people think, and nettnev— to change what people think, and nettnev-want— to change what people think, and neither-want to— to change what people think, and neither want to know. but i neither do i want to know. but i wewtt— neither do i want to know. but i wewtt-nave— neither do i want to know. but i would-have people- neither do i want to know. but i would have people in the would love to have people in the watnan— would love to have people in the nathan mcgovern _ would love to have people in the nathan mcgovern world. ”vfizz; v: nathan mcgovern world. there'd be nathan mcgovern world. there'd te ne— nathan mcgovern world. there'd be no pets.— nathan mcgovern world. there'd be no pets. ne— nathan mcgovern world. there'd be no pets, no, what be no pets, no, but what there would there would be would be is there would be animals for us to see in animals us for us to see in nature. richard animals. richard tnat-e— nature. richard animals. richard tnat-e-neettten— nature. richard animals. richard that's-position choice- that's the position choice eeetng. — that's the position choice eeetng. t— that's the position choice seeing. i just- that's the position choice seeing. i just want to put to you nathan , a couple your

you nathan, a couple of your colleagues, peers got into the onto the course at aintree and were trying to glue themselves to the fence. the jockeys reaction to that was they wanted to get on, well, leave them be there. we'll jump over them, you see. so it was a it would have been fun, but it couldn't happen. but the thing about the derby, go back to the suffragettes when they were emily pankhurst , 1911 on emily pankhurst, 1911 on tattenham corner. emily jumped out and yeah, she was killed. they go so much faster. the flat horses especially coming down tattenham corner, they're heavy, 700 kilos, steel shod hooves going very fast, packed together . i just hope that whatever you're going to do is not during the race. it could end badly for people and for horses. thank you, both of you.— people and for horses. thank you, both of you. you- pfi: thank you, both of you. you see, tneve-e— you, both of you. you see, tneve-e ew— you, both of you. you see, there's our attempt to have a etvttteet— there's our attempt to have a civilised debate.— there's our attempt to have a civilised debate. actually, do you— civilised debate. actually, do yew knew— civilised debate. actually, do you know what?— civilised debate. actually, do you know what? to some extent i do you know what? to some extent i te tntnk— you know what? to some extent i te tntnk we— you know what? to some extent i do think we succeeded. and it's vatnev— do think we succeeded. and it's rather important— do think we succeeded. and it's rather important that we do weet— rather important that we do succeed with _ rather important that we do succeed with these things . i i succeed with these things. i i tntnk—

succeed with these things. i i tntnk tnat— succeed with these things. i i think that the— succeed with these things. i i think that the position on that antnat— think that the position on that antnat tetng— think that the position on that animal rising take and just stop oil animal rising take and just stop on take— animal rising take and just stop oil take when— animal rising take and just stop oil take when you— animal rising take and just stop oil take when you actually tegteatty— oil take when you actually tegteatty get— oil take when you actually logically get it— oil take when you actually logically get it towards the end is logically get it towards the end te a— logically get it towards the end te a neettten— logically get it towards the end is a position that— logically get it towards the end is a position that is in such a ntnenty— is a position that is in such a ntnevtty tn— is a position that is in such a minority in the— is a position that is in such a minority in the country that the we tatk— minority in the country that the more we talk about it, i think tne— more we talk about it, i think tne teee— more we talk about it, i think the less support— more we talk about it, i think the less support they'll have. even— the less support they'll have. tven tnewgn— the less support they'll have. even though i— the less support they'll have. even though i don't doubt watnan-e— even though i don't doubt nathan's sincerity and i know i knew— nathan's sincerity and i know i knew tnat— nathan's sincerity and i know i know that richard— nathan's sincerity and i know i know that richard pitman genwtnety— know that richard pitman genuinely loves his horses . genuinely loves his horses. taeet— genuinely loves his horses. jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob wnat-e— jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob wnat-e eentng— jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob wnat-e eentng we— jacob rees—mogg joins me. jacob what's coming up today? well, getng— what's coming up today? well, getng te— what's coming up today? well, we're going to be— what's coming up today? well, we're going to be talking about the we're going to be talking about tne tee— we're going to be talking about the free trade— we're going to be talking about the free trade deals that we've get— the free trade deals that we've get tn— the free trade deals that we've now got in australia, new zeatant.— now got in australia, new zealand, new zealand and why we enewtt— zealand, new zealand and why we enewtt-nt— zealand, new zealand and why we enewtt-nt et— zealand, new zealand and why we should-rid of tariffs— zealand, new zealand and why we should rid of tariffs now, should get rid of tariffs now, teaee— should get rid of tariffs now, because we've— should get rid of tariffs now, because we've got a cost of ttvtng— because we've got a cost of ttvtng enete— because we've got a cost of living crisis, an— because we've got a cost of living crisis, an easy way to wtng— living crisis, an easy way to tvtng tewn— living crisis, an easy way to bring down prices is to stop ewtttng— bring down prices is to stop ewtttng-wn— bring down prices is to stop ewtttng-wn ty- bring down prices is to stop putting up by taxation. putting them up by taxation. tney-ve— putting them up by taxation. tney-ve att— putting them up by taxation. they're all saying that brexit is they're all saying that brexit te mate— they're all saying that brexit is made-more- they're all saying that brexit is made more expensive, but is made food more expensive, but of is made food more expensive, but et-we— is made food more expensive, but et-we tan— is made food more expensive, but et-we tnnevt— is made food more expensive, but of we can import food of course we can import food tven— of course we can import food tven-avewnt— of course we can import food from . around the - of course we can import food from around the world from all around the world far nevea-t— from all around the world far. more -far-cheaply, more cheaply, far more cheaply, ant—tt— more cheaply, far more cheaply, ant—kt wgent- more cheaply, far more cheaply,. and—it urgent plea. and we should do it urgent plea. ant— and we should do it urgent plea. ant tnat— and we should do it urgent plea. and that actually— and we should do it urgent plea. and that actually when - and we should do it urgent plea. and that actually when prices are that's the time to do are high, that's the time to do it because it's least painful for who are getting for farmers who are getting higher moment. and higher prices at the moment. and it's consumers. we're it's best for consumers. we're also be talking about also going to be talking about the national trust, which i

don't think trust don't think you can trust anymore have anymore because people have given things and it's going given it things and it's going to get rid them now. well, to get rid of them now. well, we've just talked— to get rid of them now. well, we've just talked about- gz ” v: well, we've just talked about farmers. tet-e— we've just talked about farmers. tet-e-tne— we've just talked about farmers. let's-the weather- let's see what the weather teveeaet— let's see what the weather forecast-our- let's see what the weather forecast our farmers and forecast is for our farmers and etteve— forecast is for our farmers and etneve. nette— forecast is for our farmers and others. hello there. to others. hello there. welcome to your— others. hello there. welcome to your latest news weather your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. your latest gb news weather fore craigrom the met office. your latest gb news weather fore craig snell. e met office. your latest gb news weather fore craig snell. e met of'we. i'm craig snell. well, as we head into summer for most us head into summer for most of us it be and settled. it should be dry and settled. best of the sunshine out towards the west and it's all to down this area of high pressure, keeping things settled keeping things firmly settled across across far north will fronts across the far north will just give the odd spot of rain here and there. but for most, as i mentioned, and settled. i mentioned, dry and settled. and how we will end and that's how we will end wednesday clear wednesday with lots of clear skies towards the west. skies out towards the west. however, the east we will see however, in the east we will see cloud will just cloud and that will just gradually way. gradually spread its way. a little further westwards little bit further westwards as the goes on. so under the the night goes on. so under the cloud, temperatures not falling much than 10 degrees. much lower than 8 to 10 degrees. but the clearer skies, but in the clearer skies, especially northern especially across northern ireland and scotland, could just turn chilly for the first turn a bit chilly for the first day of summer here. but the good news here that there'll be news here is that there'll be plenty from word plenty of sunshine from the word go. and as we go through the course cloud course of thursday, that cloud will nibbled backwards

will be nibbled backwards towards so an towards the east coast. so an increasing sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimostg sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of us. sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of us. so sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of us. so a sunshine towards the east coast. so an incimost of us. so a fairlyshine for most of us. so a fairly pleasant afternoon for a lot of the uk, fortunately for the uk, but fortunately for eastern england, eastern coast of england, especially, the cloud may well be and linger all day be stubborn and linger all day and onshore and combined with an onshore breeze feeling cool for breeze feeling fairly cool for early june. but towards the early june. but out towards the west, another pleasantly warm day reaching 23 or 24 day with highs reaching 23 or 24 degrees as a fine end to the day in the west. as we go into the small hours of friday. but the cloud across the east will return westwards as the night goes on. so really a repeat performance of previous nights. so under the cloud, temperatures not falling lower than to so under the cloud, temperatures no degrees. lower than to so under the cloud, temperatures no degrees. could.ower than to so under the cloud, temperatures no degrees. could even than to so under the cloud, temperatures no degrees. could even seei to 10 degrees. could even see a touch of frost. however, in scotland, under the skies scotland, under the clear skies as we start friday morning. but for many, friday will be a very similar day to thursday once any morning cloud burns back towards the east coast. most of us seeing plenty of sunshine. risk of the odd spot of rain for shetland and again some eastern coast remain stubbornly cloudy as we go through the course of the but the sunshine, the day. but in the sunshine, temperatures reaching around 23 or 24 once again and very

similar conditions as we go into the weekend. lots of dry and bright weather. best of it will be in the west .

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