student loans. give me a break. if you choose to go to university, you know the deal. you can fund yourself. am i being harsh or not.7 speak king of harsh. boris johnson. have you seen his explosive letter .7 you seen his explosive letter? he's basically handed everything oven he's basically handed everything over. the fight is on, says some. is he trying to cause a fight between him and the government or not? is there a different motive? you tell me what you reckon is going on and the westminster council is basically called for an investigation into why there are migrants sleeping on the streets in a plush london suburb . we're in a plush london suburb. we're very short investigation, by the way, because the answer is simply because they chose to, because hotel provided because the hotel provided wasn't good enough. it wasn't nice. apparently it was smelly . nice. apparently it was smelly. beanng nice. apparently it was smelly. bearing in mind that these are people that are desperately in this country because apparently

they are fearing for their lives. tonight , i want you lives. and tonight, i want you to help me decide something , to help me decide something, because in my because i'm turning soft in my old age when it comes to animals , because i'm starting to get a little bit sad and concerned about animal cruelty. and i'm looking at animal rising and i'm trying to figure out, do agree trying to figure out, do i agree with their or not? what with their message or not? what about can you about their methods? can you help what do you make to it help me? what do you make to it all? and it's friday, so i'm going to finish with something nice what else nice and cheery. what else better than coffins? you better than coffins? yes. you did indeed. hear me right? coffins look at these on the screen. there is a company now that's allowing people to go out in quite an interesting fashion. look at this greggs sausage roll wrappers, pines , dyson, hoover wrappers, pines, dyson, hoover box . why would you choose that? box. why would you choose that? i don't know. anyway, it got me wondering if you could choose your departure box. what would it be? well, of all of that and more. but first, let's get ourselves up to speed, shall we? with tonight's latest headlines

. michelle, thank you. we'll start— . michelle, thank you. we'll start with— . michelle, thank you. we'll start with some— michelle, thank you. we'll start with some breaking news. 20 people— start with some breaking news. 20 people have— start with some breaking news. 20 people have now been arrested in relation— 20 people have now been arrested tn tetetten te— 20 people have now been arrested in relation to the— 20 people have now been arrested in relation to the violence and tteettet— in relation to the violence and disorder that— in relation to the violence and disorder that followed a crash in disorder that followed a crash tn wttet— disorder that followed a crash tn nnten twe— disorder that followed a crash in which two teenagers were met— in which two teenagers were ttttet tn— in which two teenagers were killed in cardiff— in which two teenagers were killed in cardiff . the deaths of killed in cardiff. the deaths of teet— killed in cardiff. the deaths of best friends— killed in cardiff. the deaths of best friends ,_ killed in cardiff. the deaths of best friends , kyrees sullivan best friends, kyrees sullivan ent— best friends, kyrees sullivan and tenet— best friends, kyrees sullivan and harvey evans, who was 16 and 15, and harvey evans, who was 16 and ts, enettet— and harvey evans, who was 16 and 15, sparked riots— and harvey evans, who was 16 and 15, sparked riots on— and harvey evans, who was 16 and 15, sparked riots on the streets of 15, sparked riots on the streets et ety— 15, sparked riots on the streets et tty atten— 15, sparked riots on the streets of ely after claims— 15, sparked riots on the streets of ely after claims they were penned— of ely after claims they were nntenet ty— of ely after claims they were pursued by police . cctv emerged pursued by police. cctv emerged enentng— pursued by police. cctv emerged enentne tne— pursued by police. cctv emerged showing the boys— pursued by police. cctv emerged showing the boys who were on an eteetne— showing the boys who were on an eteetne ttte— showing the boys who were on an electric bike being— showing the boys who were on an electric bike being followed by a electric bike being followed by e neute— electric bike being followed by a note ven— electric bike being followed by a police van. 15— electric bike being followed by a police van. 15 officers were injured— a police van. 15 officers were injured tn— a police van. 15 officers were injured in the— a police van. 15 officers were injured in the riots. cars were set— injured in the riots. cars were set attent— injured in the riots. cars were set alight and— injured in the riots. cars were set alight and windows were eneenet— set alight and windows were eneenet .— set alight and windows were eneenet . at— set alight and windows were smashed . at boris johnson says smashed. at boris johnson says nee— smashed. at boris johnson says ne-e sent— smashed. at boris johnson says ne-e eent att— smashed. at boris johnson says he's sent all unredacted wnetenpn— he's sent all unredacted whatsapp messages directly to the whatsapp messages directly to tne conn— whatsapp messages directly to the covid inquiry. the former ntne— the covid inquiry. the former prime minister— the covid inquiry. the former prime minister told the inquiry enett— prime minister told the inquiry enett ne— prime minister told the inquiry chair he would— prime minister told the inquiry chair he would like to do the nttn— chair he would like to do the same with messages on an old nnene— same with messages on an old pnene ne— same with messages on an old phone he stopped— same with messages on an old phone he stopped using due to eeennty— phone he stopped using due to security concerns. _ phone he stopped using due to security concerns. it's after tne— security concerns. it's after the government— security concerns. it's after the government argued it enenttn-t— the government argued it shouldn't have- the government argued it shouldn't have to hand over what it shouldn't have to hand over what tt tatte— shouldn't have to hand over what it calls irrelevant— shouldn't have to hand over what it calls irrelevant material.

ntntetete— it calls irrelevant material. ministers are— it calls irrelevant material. ministers are preparing for a teen— ministers are preparing for a teget nette— ministers are preparing for a legal battle with the inquiry. a pettntnen— legal battle with the inquiry. a preliminary hearing will be held on tneetey— preliminary hearing will be held on tneetey .— preliminary hearing will be held on tneetey . n— preliminary hearing will be held on tuesday . a 19— preliminary hearing will be held on tuesday . a 19 year old has on tuesday. a 19 year old has teen— on tuesday. a 19 year old has been sentenced— on tuesday. a 19 year old has been sentenced to life in prison nttn— been sentenced to life in prison nttn e— been sentenced to life in prison with a minimum— been sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of six years for with a minimum term of six years ten planning— with a minimum term of six years for planning terror— with a minimum term of six years for planning terror attacks on the for planning terror attacks on tne pence— for planning terror attacks on the police and— for planning terror attacks on the police and military. matthew ttng— the police and military. matthew king tren— the police and military. matthew king from essex— the police and military. matthew king from essex converted to teten — king from essex converted to teten ent— king from essex converted to islam and became radicalised during— islam and became radicalised tnnng tne— islam and became radicalised during the cowo— islam and became radicalised during the covid lockdown. he needed— during the covid lockdown. he nteetet gnttty— during the covid lockdown. he pleaded guilty to— during the covid lockdown. he pleaded guilty to plotting the attacks— pleaded guilty to plotting the attacks between 2021 and 2022. tne— attacks between 2021 and 2022. tne judge— attacks between 2021 and 2022. the judge praised— attacks between 2021 and 2022. the judge praised his mother, nne— the judge praised his mother, nne repented— the judge praised his mother, who reported him to the prevent counter—terrorism _ who reported him to the prevent counter—terrorism programme, eeytne— counter—terrorism programme, eeytng tt— counter—terrorism programme, saying it couldn't— counter—terrorism programme, saying it couldn't have been easy— saying it couldn't have been easy tut— saying it couldn't have been eeey tut wee— saying it couldn't have been easy but was absolutely the nett— easy but was absolutely the ngnt tntne— easy but was absolutely the ngnt tntne .— easy but was absolutely the right thing . and as you've been right thing. and as you've been neennn— right thing. and as you've been neennn tne— right thing. and as you've been hearing, the home secretary is bent— hearing, the home secretary is tetne tenet— hearing, the home secretary is being asked to— hearing, the home secretary is being asked to urgently clarify why— being asked to urgently clarify en t— being asked to urgently clarify en t enun— being asked to urgently clarify en a grow et— being asked to urgently clarify why a group of asylum seekers tett— why a group of asylum seekers tett en— why a group of asylum seekers were left on the— why a group of asylum seekers were left on the streets of tendon— were left on the streets of tenten tet— were left on the streets of london for two _ were left on the streets of london for two nights. in a tettet— london for two nights. in a tetten te— london for two nights. in a letter to suella_ london for two nights. in a letter to suella braverman, the teeter— letter to suella braverman, the teeter et— letter to suella braverman, the leader of westminster city connett— leader of westminster city council expressed deep concern tnet— council expressed deep concern tnot oronnt— council expressed deep concern that around 40— council expressed deep concern that around 40 refugees were tett— that around 40 refugees were tett tn— that around 40 refugees were tett tn tne— that around 40 refugees were left in the borough on wednesday nont— left in the borough on wednesday ntgnt nttnont— left in the borough on wednesday night without appropriate accommodation . the group

accommodation. the group reoonetty— accommodation. the group reportedly refused to enter a note— reportedly refused to enter a hotel where _ reportedly refused to enter a hotel where the— reportedly refused to enter a hotel where the home office had ottegetty— hotel where the home office had ottegetty osteo— hotel where the home office had allegedly asked them to sleep tour— allegedly asked them to sleep tour oer— allegedly asked them to sleep tour per roorn— allegedly asked them to sleep four per room. there have been proteste— four per room. there have been protests outside _ four per room. there have been protests outside the hotel this otternoon — protests outside the hotel this otternoon .— protests outside the hotel this afternoon . more— protests outside the hotel this afternoon . more disruption for afternoon. more disruption for holidaymakers— afternoon. more disruption for holidaymakers as security guards at holidaymakers as security guards ot neotnron— holidaymakers as security guards at heathrow airport announce runner— at heathrow airport announce further strike _ at heathrow airport announce further strike action this summer. unite the union says its rnernerte— summer. unite the union says its rnernerte nttt— summer. unite the union says its members will stage _ summer. unite the union says its members will stage 33 days of tntnetrtot— members will stage 33 days of industrial action— members will stage 33 days of industrial action in a dispute pey— industrial action in a dispute pay .— industrial action in a dispute pay . tne— industrial action in a dispute over pay . the walkouts will take over pay. the walkouts will take proce— over pay. the walkouts will take otoee otnoet— over pay. the walkouts will take place almost every— over pay. the walkouts will take place almost every weekend from mid—june— place almost every weekend from mid—june to— place almost every weekend from mid—june to the— place almost every weekend from mid—june to the end of august , mid—june to the end of august, ont— mid—june to the end of august, and rot— mid—june to the end of august, and rail passengers are expenenetng— and rail passengers are experiencing their second day of nor— experiencing their second day of major disruption— experiencing their second day of major disruption this week as 20,000— major disruption this week as zoeoo etott— major disruption this week as 20,000 staff go _ major disruption this week as 20,000 staff go on strike. trentere— 20,000 staff go on strike. members of— 20,000 staff go on strike. members of the rmt union across tnetont— members of the rmt union across tnetont re— members of the rmt union across england are walking out in an ongoing— england are walking out in an ongoing tteonte— england are walking out in an ongoing dispute over pay , jobs ongoing dispute over pay, jobs ont— ongoing dispute over pay, jobs and conditions— ongoing dispute over pay, jobs and conditions ._ ongoing dispute over pay, jobs and conditions. members of the aster— and conditions. members of the aster trnton— and conditions. members of the aslef union who— and conditions. members of the aslef union who work across 16 ton— aslef union who work across 16 trotn ooerottne— aslef union who work across 16 train operating companies will oteo— train operating companies will oteo 90— train operating companies will oteo go on— train operating companies will also go on strike— train operating companies will also go on strike tomorrow . also go on strike tomorrow. roeeengere— also go on strike tomorrow. passengers are _ also go on strike tomorrow. passengers are being warned to expect— passengers are being warned to expect eeverety— passengers are being warned to expect severely reduced services . rnttttp— expect severely reduced services . phillip schofield _ expect severely reduced services . phillip schofield says he's

toot— . phillip schofield says he's lost everything— . phillip schofield says he's lost everything after revelations - lost everything after revelations of his affair with a younger— revelations of his affair with a younger note— revelations of his affair with a younger male colleague. at this norntne— younger male colleague. at this norntne .— younger male colleague. at this norntne . nut— younger male colleague. at this morning . but he— younger male colleague. at this morning . but he insists he morning. but he insists he tron-t— morning. but he insists he tttn-t groom— morning. but he insists he didn't groom him. the 61 year ott— didn't groom him. the 61 year ott reetenet— didn't groom him. the 61 year old resigned from itv last week ont— old resigned from itv last week and woe— old resigned from itv last week and was dropped— old resigned from itv last week and was dropped by his agency otter— and was dropped by his agency after admitting— and was dropped by his agency after admitting to the affair. he says— after admitting to the affair. he says ne — after admitting to the affair. he says he will— after admitting to the affair. he says he will comply with an exempt— he says he will comply with an external review— he says he will comply with an external review commissioned by the broadcaster— external review commissioned by the broadcaster ._ external review commissioned by the broadcaster . itv executives the broadcaster. itv executives nove— the broadcaster. itv executives nove teen— the broadcaster. itv executives have been told— the broadcaster. itv executives have been told to— the broadcaster. itv executives have been told to expect pneettone— have been told to expect questions about their approach to safeguarding— questions about their approach to safeguarding when they appear tetore— to safeguarding when they appear tetore o— to safeguarding when they appear before a parliamentary committee next— before a parliamentary committee next treet— before a parliamentary committee next week .— before a parliamentary committee next week . rn— before a parliamentary committee next week . in his— before a parliamentary committee next week . in his first next week. in his first tntenten— next week. in his first interview since leaving itv , interview since leaving itv, senottett— interview since leaving itv, schofield hit— interview since leaving itv, schofield hit out at what he teeorttet— schofield hit out at what he described as— schofield hit out at what he described as relentless orttteten— described as relentless criticism and- described as relentless criticism and told the bbc he teete— criticism and told the bbc he feels broken,— criticism and told the bbc he feels broken, ashamed and sorry . r— feels broken, ashamed and sorry . r tore— feels broken, ashamed and sorry . t have toot— feels broken, ashamed and sorry . i have lost everything- feels broken, ashamed and sorry . i have lost everything .- feels broken, ashamed and sorry . i have lost everything. my girls saved my life. if my girls hadnt girls saved my life. if my girls hadn't been there, i wouldn't be here because i don't see a future and so how much do you

want a man to take? and are you truly only happy when he's dead ? and this is how caroline flack felt . and it didn't stop . and felt. and it didn't stop. and manager jose mourinho has been managerjose mourinho has been charged with insulting and abusing a match official. he was filmed shouting at— abusing a match official. he was filmed shouting at a— g “at. rr:::�*”rt. he was filmed shouting at a referee tottontne— filmed shouting at a referee following acas_ filmed shouting at a referee following acas roma's loss to setup— following acas roma's loss to sevttto on— following acas roma's loss to sevilla on wednesday night's tnropo— sevilla on wednesday night's tnropo reappe— sevilla on wednesday night's europa league final . the premier europa league final. the premier reappe— europa league final. the premier teopne noe— europa league final. the premier league has condemned the abuse ttreotet— league has condemned the abuse ttreetet ot— league has condemned the abuse directed at british— league has condemned the abuse directed at british referee antnony— directed at british referee anthony taylor after footage energet— anthony taylor after footage energet ot— anthony taylor after footage emerged of angry fans heckling him emerged of angry fans heckling ntn ot— emerged of angry fans heckling him at budapest— emerged of angry fans heckling him at budapest airport. a renter— him at budapest airport. a premier league— him at budapest airport. a premier league spokesperson teeorttet— premier league spokesperson described the— premier league spokesperson described the abuse as both etoottnp— described the abuse as both shocking and— described the abuse as both shocking and appalling . you're shocking and appalling. you're up to— shocking and appalling. you're up to tote— shocking and appalling. you're up to tote on— shocking and appalling. you're up to date on tv— shocking and appalling. you're up to date on tv online , dab+ up to date on tv online, dab+ retro— up to date on tv online, dab+ rotto ont— up to date on tv online, dab+ rotto end on— up to date on tv online, dab+ radio and on tune— up to date on tv online, dab+ radio and on tune in this is gb tene- — radio and on tune in this is gb tene- ton— radio and on tune in this is gb tene- ton rte— radio and on tune in this is gb news. now it's back to .

news. now it's back to. michelle |tntnts— news. now it's back to. michelle l tttnts tor— news. now it's back to. michelle i thanks for that.— news. now it's back to. michelle - thanks for that. bethany- thanks for that. bethany elsey. michelle dewberry you michelle dewberry keeping you company michelle dewberry keeping you companjand know it's a nice tonight. and i know it's a nice day outside, and if day outside, isn't it? and if you're sitting there thinking, shall shall i go shall i watch jubes? shall i go to the what shall i do? you to the pub? what shall i do? you can do both, my friends, because you can take us with you on the radio. dab plus that is your radio. dab plus if that is your preferred thing with preferred thing to do with your friday you're friday night, you're very welcome there keeping me welcome on there too. keeping me company. is matthew company. with me is matthew stadlen, the writer and broadcaster and lord daniel moylan, in the moylan, the tory peer in the house lords. good evening, house of lords. good evening, gentlemen , and evening. gentlemen, and good evening. good you the drill good evening. you know the drill as don't you? not as well, don't you? it's not just about us three. it is very much about you at home as well, not least because tonight i need your something. it's your advice on something. it's very don't my very rare that i don't know my own mind on a topic, but this animal thing, i don't animal rising thing, i don't know a little bit know if i'm going a little bit soft because i have started to feel sorry for animals. feel really sorry for animals. so i start leaning towards so then i start leaning towards some messaging. i just some of their messaging. i just don't where i stand it. don't know where i stand on it. so i want you guys to me so i want you guys to help me form if you don't mind, form a view. if you don't mind, on that evening, do you

on that one this evening, do you think they're right? do you support them or not? also, twitter is your thing. you can tweet now you tweet me at gb news. now you might aware, of course, that might be aware, of course, that yesterday were up on yesterday we were picking up on this whole covid inquiry situation that the situation and the fact that the government basically doing government is basically doing a legal against the legal challenge against the covid . re well, covid inquiry. re well, of course there's a course there's been a development story now development on that story now because johnson, because boris johnson, he's basically his basically turned over his whatsapps where possible. the notepads, some of them are in the company of the cabinet office is basically asked them to turn over whatever they've got to the inquiry. i couldn't let today pass without asking you about this, daniel, because you about this, daniel, because you were , of course, a former you were, of course, a former adviser to boris johnson . and a adviser to boris johnson. and a lot people are saying that lot of people are saying that this is boris basically lobbing a hand grenade into the government. it's him trying to perhaps get his own back on some issues that he might have with rishi sunak. what do you make to it? well i think that's rubbish. i think boris taking the i think this is boris taking the nont— i think this is boris taking the norot ntpn— i think this is boris taking the moral high ground as would moral high ground as we would expect,— moral high ground as we would expect-open— moral high ground as we would expect,-open and- expect, being open and transparent— expect, being open and transparent showing how to transparent and showing how to tett.— transparent and showing how to teen—know- lead. people want to know what noppenet— lead. people want to know what noppenet-tnte— lead. people want to know what happened this material has

happened and this material has teen—nee- happened and this material has been _ he's given i happened and this material hasi been—he's given it been asked for and he's given it over-noe-ot- been asked for and he's given it over-noe-ot o- been asked for and he's given it over-was-of a delayi over there was a bit of a delay nttn— over there was a bit of a delay nttn tne— over there was a bit of a delay nttn tne ott— over there was a bit of a delay with the old phone because it not— with the old phone because it not to— with the old phone because it not to te— with the old phone because it had to be handled through eeonrtty— had to be handled through security processes because the eeonrtty— security processes because the eeennty eentee— security processes because the security service said it was security service had said it was enonttn-t— security service had said it was shouldn't ever— security service had said it was shouldn't ever be— security service had said it was shouldn't ever be switched on open. — shouldn't ever be switched on open. ine— shouldn't ever be switched on again..he didn't- shouldn't ever be switched on again. he didn't just want to again. so he didn't just want to nont— again. so he didn't just want to tend rt— again. so he didn't just want to tend tt-to— again. so he didn't just want to hand it-to the— again. so he didn't just want to hand it to the cabinet hand it over to the cabinet entree,— hand it over to the cabinet office, which— hand it over to the cabinet office, which at— hand it over to the cabinet office, which at moment, i office, which at the moment, i note— office, which at the moment, i note to— office, which at the moment, i note to soy,— office, which at the moment, i note to soy, te— office, which at the moment, i have to say, is not— office, which at the moment, i have to say, is not showing the ntpneet— have to say, is not showing the ntpneet-ot— have to say, is not showing the highest of competence, highest levels of competence, but highest levels of competence, tut—teen- highest levels of competence,| but—been handed but that has now been handed over-ott— but that has now been handed over-all-material- but that has now been handed over all material is over. so all the material is tnere— over. so all the material is tnere ont— over. so all the material is there and people are saying, nett— there and people are saying, nett, rt— there and people are saying, nett, tt strep— there and people are saying, well, if scrap book, they're eerop— well, if scrap book, they're eerop roote— well, if scrap book, they're scrap books, really. he's kept tnen — scrap books, really. he's kept tnen tor— scrap books, really. he's kept them for years— scrap books, really. he's kept them for years and his his scrap toots— them for years and his his scrap roots-o— them for years and his his scrap toote-o ott— them for years and his his scrap books-a bit of— them for years and his his scrap books-a bit of a— them for years and his his scrap books a bit of a mess. well, books are a bit of a mess. well, tnot-e— books are a bit of a mess. well, tnot-e onet— books are a bit of a mess. well, that's what people— books are a bit of a mess. well, that's what people scrap books tney-re— that's what people scrap books are. they're not— that's what people scrap books are. they're not you know, you put— are. they're not you know, you put newspaper— are. they're not you know, you put newspaper articles and stuff and put newspaper articles and stuff end you— put newspaper articles and stuff and yon-notes— put newspaper articles and stuff and you notes things. and you write notes on things. thev're— and you write notes on things. they're-official— and you write notes on things. they're official government they're not official government documents.— they're not official government documents. - record - they're not official government documents. record boards documents. they're record boards nee— documents. they're record boards ne-e tept. — documents. they're record boards ne-e kept. out— documents. they're record boards he's kept. but should there not be on— he's kept. but should there not be any pnxoey— he's kept. but should there not be any pnxoey ot— he's kept. but should there not be any privacy of years? but nee— be any privacy of years? but ne-e given— be any privacy of years? but he's given them— be any privacy of years? but he's given them over and that's tne.— he's given them over and that's fine vee— he's given them over and that's fine. yes, there— he's given them over and that's fine. yes, there is— he's given them over and that's fine. yes, there is a— he's given them over and that's fine. yes, there is a question rte— fine. yes, there is a question to o— fine. yes, there is a question to o gooe— fine. yes, there is a question on. it's a good question. i ton-t— on. it's a good question. i ton-t tntnt— on. it's a good question. i don't think the - on. it's a good question. i don't think the government's going— don't think the government's porno-rt— don't think the government's gotnp-tt tn— don't think the government's going-it in court- don't think the government's going it in court because going to win it in court because tney-ve— going to win it in court because they've-up— going to win it in court because they've up inquiries act they've set up the inquiries act tne— they've set up the inquiries act tnte wav- — they've set up the inquiries act this way. -there_ they've set up the inquiries act this way. there good this way. but there is a good oneetton— this way. but there is a good question-does- this way. but there is a good question does government question how does government note— question how does government make—sensingl make policy advice on sensing tn— make policy advice on sensing tn o— make policy advice on sensing tn o wav— make policy advice on sensing issues in a way that isn't then

going— issues in a way that isn't then going to— issues in a way that isn't then gotng to te— issues in a way that isn't then going to be exposed to the putte— going to be exposed to the pnttte ont— going to be exposed to the public and then would they get the public and then would they get tne 9°0d_ public and then would they get tne poot pottey— public and then would they get the good policy advice if eeonne— the good policy advice if everyone thought going everyone thought it was going to be exposed— everyone thought it was going to te expoeet to— everyone thought it was going to be exposed to the— everyone thought it was going to be exposed to the public? that's an be exposed to the public? that's on tntereettnp— be exposed to the public? that's an interesting question. that's an interesting question. that's o-oneetton- an interesting question. that'si a-question-boris an interesting question. that'si a-islquestion-boris an interesting question. that's a is notiestion boris an interesting question. that's a is not being boris an interesting question. that's a is not being asked boris an interesting question. that's a is not being asked fors . boris is not being asked for government— . boris is not being asked for government papers. he's been tenet— government papers. he's been oetet tor— government papers. he's been oetet tor ne— government papers. he's been asked for his private scrapbooks and ne— asked for his private scrapbooks and no on— asked for his private scrapbooks and his own whatsapp messages on his and his own whatsapp messages on no prtvote— and his own whatsapp messages on his private phones— and his own whatsapp messages on his private phones and like the ute— his private phones and like the ttte tne— his private phones and like the like the honest— his private phones and like the like the honest person he is. he is like the honest person he is. he te nonttnp— like the honest person he is. he is handing them— like the honest person he is. he is handing them all over in a eonptetety— is handing them all over in a completely transparent way. tett.— completely transparent way. teen. to— completely transparent way. teen. to test— completely transparent way. yeah, to just jump- completely transparent way. yeah, to just jump in- completely transparent way. yeah, to just jump in on- completely transparent way. yeah, to just jump in on this, michel, and good to be here and good to be here with you, lord moylan, because we battle moylan, because we do battle politely on on twitter. we've already 20 already been arguing for 20 minutes green minutes off stage in the green room. look, think it's bad room. look, i think it's a bad limbered up. then they've ttnteret— limbered up. then they've ttnteret up.— limbered up. then they've limbered up. guys,- limbered up. then they've limbered up. guys, i- c “irritzn: c. then they've limbered up. guys, i might be ttnpo— limbered up. guys, i might be rttngo tontpnt— limbered up. guys, i might be ringo tonight then, right. go -tt-e— ringo tonight then, right. go -tt-s t— ringo tonight then, right. go on. -it's a bad- ringo tonight then, right. go on. -it's a bad lookl ringo tonight then, right. go. on. -it's a bad look for on. i think it's a bad look for the government they are the government that they are challenging this because they're challenging an official inquiry. the itself running the government itself is running scared of its own inquiry in in effect and an inquiry into something that really matters to people , not just the people people, not just the people who've lost loved ones and friends. and there are many of many of us in this country who

have but but also those of us who locked in our homes, who are locked in our homes, those who had our freedoms those of us who had our freedoms restricted extraordinary restricted in an extraordinary ways. we want to have answers. we to what was going we want to know what was going on the scenes. the on behind the scenes. to the extent that are allowed. so extent that we are allowed. so it is a bad for the it is a bad look for the government to be challenging this. that's the first point. the boris the second point on boris johnson, just simply johnson, i would just simply say, let's not relive negate say, and let's not relive negate the disaster, disaster that the disaster, the disaster that was boris prime was the boris johnson prime ministership. his ministership. but while his former adviser , lord is former adviser, lord moylan, is in room, i think it is in the room, i think it is utterly absurd. the idea that bofis is utterly absurd. the idea that boris is taking the boris johnson is taking the moral high ground. this is a this is a man who trashed the reputation of this country. this is who was dishonest. this is a man who was dishonest. this is a man who was dishonest. this is who presided over a is a man who presided over a culture number while culture at number 10 while we were that was were locked up that was partying, , in effect, partying, laughing, in effect, in face. the idea that in our face. so the idea that lord moylan comes on national tv and bofis lord moylan comes on national tv and boris johnson is and says that boris johnson is capable taking the high capable of taking the moral high ground, i it's ludicrous. ground, i mean, it's ludicrous. well i'll you because well i'll tell you what, because i've lot to get into i've got a lot to get into tonight. i'll leave it with you for tonight. i'll leave it with you tor tne— tonight. i'll leave it with you for the final— tonight. i'll leave it with you for the final vote— tonight. i'll leave it with you for the final vote on- rzzr“ g i'll leave it with you for the final vote on that. what do for the final vote on that. what to you— for the final vote on that. what to you note— for the final vote on that. what to you note to— for the final vote on that. what do you make to it?— for the final vote on that. what do you make to it? lots of you,

by do you make to it? lots of you, try-wru— do you make to it? lots of you, ty-nttt get— do you make to it? lots of you, ty-nttt get tn- do you make to it? lots of you, by will get in touch. by the way, will get in touch. i rept— by the way, will get in touch. i can read-minds.- by the way, will get in touch. i can read minds. you'll be can read your minds. you'll be sonne— can read your minds. you'll be saying to— can read your minds. you'll be saying to me— can read your minds. you'll be saying to me, michelle, pack it in. saying to me, michelle, pack it tn. totttne— saying to me, michelle, pack it in. talking about— saying to me, michelle, pack it in. talking about covid, the nont— in. talking about covid, the world-moved— in. talking about covid, the world moved yes, indeed, world has moved on. yes, indeed, the world has moved on. yes, indeed, tne-noted— world has moved on. yes, indeed, tne-novet on- world has moved on. yes, indeed, the-moved on. but- world has moved on. yes, indeed, the moved on. but the the world has moved on. but the consequences of— the world has moved on. but the consequences of response consequences of the response to town— consequences of the response to covrn ttve — consequences of the response to covid live long— consequences of the response to covid live long and deep. ttote— covid live long and deep. note-tet- covid live long and deep. that's,-ask me.- covid live long and deep. that's, ask me. his that's, if you ask me. his responsible— that's, if you ask me. his responsible -of. that's, if you ask me. his. responsible -of the responsible for a lot of the potent— responsible for a lot of the problems that— responsible for a lot of the problems that we experience in tne— problems that we experience ini tne—know this country today. let me know your— this country today. let me know yo-on— this country today. let me know your-onlau- - this country today. let me know your-onlall. have. your thoughts on it all. have you— your thoughts on it all. have you got— your thoughts on it all. have you got your— your thoughts on it all. have you got your popcorn out? do you fine— you got your popcorn out? do you ttnt rt— you got your popcorn out? do you find it interesting— you got your popcorn out? do you find it interesting not? find it interesting or not? let me,-move on,.|. find it interesting or not? let. me,-move on,.| may, me, though, move on, if i may, tott— me, though, move on, if i may, tett taxes— me, though, move on, if i may, talk taxes, because— me, though, move on, if i may, talk taxes, because i mean taxes tnot— talk taxes, because i mean taxes tnot yon— talk taxes, because i mean taxes tnot yon payr— talk taxes, because i mean taxes that you payr by— talk taxes, because i mean taxes that you pay, by the way, not tnot— that you pay, by the way, not tnot yon— that you pay, by the way, not tnot you get— that you pay, by the way, not tnot you get tn— that you pay, by the way, not that you get in and travel trourt— that you get in and travel trount tn— that you get in and travel around in because they the around in because they are the ntgneet—tne- highest rate now since the second— highest rate now since the second _ now i highest rate now since the- second_now there's second world war. now there's trotte— second world war. now there's ttntye tne— second world war. now there's always this debate raging on, rent— always this debate raging on, isn't—cuts?! isn't there, about tax cuts? snoutt— isn't there, about tax cuts? should there _ isn't there, about tax cuts? should there be- isn't there, about tax cuts? should there be tax cuts, yes or not— should there be tax cuts, yes or not or— should there be tax cuts, yes or not or course— should there be tax cuts, yes or no? of course i— should there be tax cuts, yes or no? of course i would say yes. nut— no? of course i would say yes. but uno— no? of course i would say yes. but who should— no? of course i would say yes. but who should get them? should it but who should get them? should tt-en— but who should get them? should tt-en rnteee— but who should get them? should it-en masse, all- but who should get them? should it-en masse, all of- but who should get them? should it en masse, all of us? it be mass en masse, all of us? or it be mass en masse, all of us? er enoutt— it be mass en masse, all of us? er enoutt tt— it be mass en masse, all of us? or should it just— it be mass en masse, all of us? or should it just-a- it be mass en masse, all of us? or should it just a select or should it just be a select groupe—tnte- or should it just be a select. group?_this because group? i'm asking this because a ton— group? i'm asking this because a ton-tne— group? i'm asking this because a ton-tne treet— group? i'm asking this because a tory-this week said- group? i'm asking this because a tory this week said that tory mp, this week said that under—should. under 40 year olds should receive tax— under 40 year olds should receive tax cuts- under 40 year olds should receive tax cuts before anybody etee— receive tax cuts before anybody etee, tpptrentty— receive tax cuts before anybody else, apparently because they are else, apparently because they carrying— else, apparently because they are carrying the— else, apparently because they are carrying the largest burden, tnttuttng— are carrying the largest burden, including things— are carrying the largest burden, including things like property prttee— including things like property pntee tnt— including things like property prices and student loans. ntttnen— prices and student loans. matthew stadler i'm having

tteotutety— matthew stadler i'm having absolutely none of this. if somebody— absolutely none of this. if somebody decides that they want to go — somebody decides that they want to go to — somebody decides that they want to go to university— somebody decides that they want to go to university to further tnetr— to go to university to further their career— to go to university to further their career and _ to go to university to further their career and ambitions, good for their career and ambitions, good tor you— their career and ambitions, good tor you .— their career and ambitions, good tor you . r— their career and ambitions, good for you . i think— their career and ambitions, good for you . i think you've been for you. i think you've been brainwashed— for you. i think you've been brainwashed actually, because eeonrye— brainwashed actually, because everyone wanders into university for everyone wanders into university tor tteotutety— everyone wanders into university for absolutely anything these ttye. — for absolutely anything these ttye. l— for absolutely anything these ttye-r tntnt— for absolutely anything these days.-i think it's- for absolutely anything these days. i think it's a bit days. and i think it's a bit ridiculous.— days. and i think it's a bit ridiculous. but— days. and i think it's a bit ridiculous. but notwithstanding tttt— ridiculous. but notwithstanding tntt, tt— ridiculous. but notwithstanding that, if-choose_ ridiculous. but notwithstanding that, if choose go, that, if you choose to go, you know,— that, if you choose to go, you know,-thames,- that, if you choose to go, you know, thames, know the know, the thames, you know the teee, — know, the thames, you know the teee, ott— know, the thames, you know the teee, ott you— know, the thames, you know the tee, ott you go.— know, the thames, you know the fees, off you go. and pay your tett.— fees, off you go. and pay your debt tiny— fees, off you go. and pay your debt. why should— fees, off you go. and pay your debt. why should i, as a non untveretty— debt. why should i, as a non university person,— debt. why should i, as a non university person, bankroll the tuture— university person, bankroll the future career— university person, bankroll the future career of— university person, bankroll the future career of someone that note— future career of someone that tnoee to— future career of someone that tnoee to get— future career of someone that chose to get into— future career of someone that chose to get into student debt? nett— chose to get into student debt? well, absolutely.— chose to get into student debt? well, absolutely. you— chose to get into student debt? well, absolutely. you have- chose to get into student debt? well, absolutely. you have to say, i understand argument. say, i understand that argument. i university is broadly i think university is broadly speaking, it gives speaking, a good thing. it gives people education. it people a further education. it develops a hinterland, which is really important as you go through life. it develops all sorts of skill sets, but that isn't to say that people who don't go to university don't do incredibly valuable work. and i think country we to think in this country we tend to be quite snobbish about jobs that necessarily involve be quite snobbish about jobs thatbrain necessarily involve be quite snobbish about jobs thatbrain inecessarily involve be quite snobbish about jobs thatbrain in an ssarily involve be quite snobbish about jobs thatbrain in an academic olve be quite snobbish about jobs thatbrain in an academic sense. the brain in an academic sense. so, for example , all our washing so, for example, all our washing machine broke down today and we have a plumber on whom we can

rely who's brilliant. and he came round within a couple of hours because we get on well and he sort of us from it. and he sort of saved us from it. and ihave he sort of saved us from it. and i have just as much respect for what hope he does, what he does as i hope he does, as i what he does as i hope he does, asi hope what he does as i hope he does, as i hope he has respect for us. got a degree. i don't think he did have a degree. i'll check with him next time i see him because he have a great because he did have a great stereotype that you're assuming that are going to manual that people are going to manual work. don't have a people work. don't have a lot of people uno— work. don't have a lot of people who—pop,- work. don't have a lot of people who—work, don'ti who go into manual work, don't ton-t— who go into manual work, don't ton-t-t— who go into manual work, don't ton-t-t tegree. - who go into manual work, don't don't a degree. ' r: don't have a degree. and i have nothing but respect for people who of work, which who do that sort of work, which is point i'm trying to make. is the point i'm trying to make. if are going to give tax cuts if we are going to give tax cuts to people under 40 because they are struggling and a lot of them are struggling and a lot of them are get are struggling anyway to get onto the housing market, some people because people are struggling because they hugely indebted they are hugely indebted as a consequence loans. they are hugely indebted as a consas uence loans. they are hugely indebted as a consas youze loans. they are hugely indebted as a consas you rightly loans. they are hugely indebted as a consas you rightly say, loans. they are hugely indebted as a consas you rightly say, theyis. but as you rightly say, they went into that knowingly. therefore going therefore if we are going to have cuts for people under have tax cuts for people under 40 a priority and doesn't 40 as a priority and who doesn't want a tax cut, i don't think we should have that. would should have that. it would certainly to be tax cuts certainly have to be tax cuts for everyone under 40, not just not who not just people who went to university. that would be university. so that would be grossly unfair. it under

grossly unfair. who did it under 40? said that i would 40? i haven't said that i would support it. i'm asking you, 40? i haven't said that i would supporyou? i'm asking you, 40? i haven't said that i would supporyou? that's

s doe of the things matthew says, little bit because i agree to s do thinkie things matthew says, little bit because i agree to s do think thereigs matthew says, little bit because i agree to s do think there is; matthew says, little bit because i agree to s do think there is aviatthew says, little bit because i agree to sdo think there is a degreei says, little bit because i agree to sdo think there is a degree oftys, i do think there is a degree of generational unfairness. there's certainly a sense of generational unfairness , which generational unfairness, which is very important political is a very important political driver at the moment. and in some ways it'll sort itself out for some people over time, but for some people over time, but for others it won't . people who for others it won't. people who never have the chance to inherit a family asset, a home or whatever, for them, it will never sort itself out and deciding who who are the people under 40, you'd want to help? is it the graduates ? and you forget it the graduates? and you forget the non—graduates ? is it people the non—graduates? is it people who are going to inherit nothing or is it the people who are going to inherit a large family house at some stage in the future? i think it's almost impossible to do this with a degree of equity. people we impossible to do this with a degneedrf equity. people we impossible to do this with a degneed tax|uity. people we impossible to do this with a degneed tax cuts, people we impossible to do this with a degneed tax cuts, but people we impossible to do this with a degneed tax cuts, but what ple we impossible to do this with a degneed tax cuts, but what we we do need tax cuts, but what we need are tax cuts that actually help the economy and help drive jobs and incomes and will also have beneficial effects on freeing up markets . so one of freeing up markets. so one of the things you could do that would help people like that is if you put the stamp duty on houses when you buy and sell a

houses when you buy and sell a house back to the sort of level it was before george osborne went over it, that would went crazy over it, that would free of a lot of house free up a lot of a lot of house sales and people would have more chance buying into things chance of buying into things because people are because a lot of people are sitting on houses, two large flats for what they flats too large for what they need as they get older because the remove. iwould the tax is to remove. i would remove the tax is to remove. i would ettnp— the tax is to remove. i would remove stamp duty- cax ”r; i would remove stamp duty entirely to yoe— remove stamp duty entirely to tnyone tntt-e— remove stamp duty entirely to anyone that's downsizing. well, i'd anyone that's downsizing. well, tot-tt— anyone that's downsizing. well, r-t-tt . — anyone that's downsizing. well, r-t-tt. tett.— anyone that's downsizing. well, i'd-it. yeah. or- anyone that's downsizing. well, i'd-it. yeah. or put- anyone that's downsizing. well, i'd-it. yeah. or put it- anyone that's downsizing. well, i'd it. / o” c t i'd put it. yeah. or put it back to where before 1% where to where it was before 1% where nobody it. just nobody notices it. you just don't it. there so don't notice it. there are so many there are so many arguments swirling around here. and i think this is quite- 1 g r: and i think this is quite important. nttnette— think this is quite important. michelle telegraph, think this is quite important. michelle-telegraph, is michelle the telegraph, which is trguttty— michelle the telegraph, which is trguttty-tetttng— michelle the telegraph, which is arguably leading right wing arguably our leading right wing , ten— arguably our leading right wing , serious ish newspaper in this country,— , serious ish newspaper in this country, unet— , serious ish newspaper in this country, used to— , serious ish newspaper in this country, used to have a column tnere— country, used to have a column tnere nyeett— country, used to have a column there myself for— country, used to have a column there myself for a— country, used to have a column there myself for a while ago tntervtevtng— there myself for a while ago interviewing people. they are tetttng— interviewing people. they are tetttng t— interviewing people. they are leading a campaign at moment leading a campaign at the moment to ttotten— leading a campaign at the moment to abolish inheritance tax. vetn— to abolish inheritance tax. yeah, brilliant— to abolish inheritance tax. yeah, brilliant , very sensible yeah, brilliant, very sensible ttet. — yeah, brilliant, very sensible ttet. ue— yeah, brilliant, very sensible idea. liz truss— yeah, brilliant, very sensible idea. liz truss ,_ yeah, brilliant, very sensible idea. liz truss , who i mentioned idea. liz truss, who i mentioned etrtten— idea. liz truss, who i mentioned etrtter, tne-e— idea. liz truss, who i mentioned earlier, she's she— idea. liz truss, who i mentioned earlier, she's she seems to be tttttng— earlier, she's she seems to be tttttng tnte— earlier, she's she seems to be backing this. according to her epoteepereon— backing this. according to her spokesperson. she said that she voutt— spokesperson. she said that she voutt euppon— spokesperson. she said that she would support this. now the ttet. — would support this. now the idea. brilliant.— would support this. now the idea. brilliant. we have enormously— idea. brilliant. we have enormously entrenched wealth in

this enormously entrenched wealth in tnte country— enormously entrenched wealth in this country that— enormously entrenched wealth in this country that filters down tnrougn— this country that filters down tnrougn ttt— this country that filters down through all gushes down through the generations— through all gushes down through the generations when so many peopte— the generations when so many peopte-rettty— the generations when so many people really struggling. people are really struggling. tne— people are really struggling. tne ttet— people are really struggling. the idea that— people are really struggling. the idea that we would then ttotten— the idea that we would then abolish entire— the idea that we would then abolish entire inheritance tax, to-te— abolish entire inheritance tax, to-te teepty— abolish entire inheritance tax, to is deeply concerning and to me is deeply concerning and ttnoet— to me is deeply concerning and almost sinister— to me is deeply concerning and almost sinister ._ to me is deeply concerning and almost sinister . why? why? almost sinister. why? why? nettuee— almost sinister. why? why? because what— almost sinister. why? why? because what have you done to earn money that— because what have you done to earn money that you are given by your— earn money that you are given by your ptrentee— earn money that you are given by your ptrentee tn— earn money that you are given by your parents? i'm not saying you enouttn-t— your parents? i'm not saying you enouttn-t te— your parents? i'm not saying you shouldn't be given— your parents? i'm not saying you shouldn't be given money, but it has shouldn't be given money, but it nte to— shouldn't be given money, but it nte to te— shouldn't be given money, but it has to be taxed— shouldn't be given money, but it has to be taxed because we've got— has to be taxed because we've got genutne— has to be taxed because we've got genuine poverty in this country,— got genuine poverty in this country, enormously entrenched got genuine poverty in this countrythatyrmously entrenched got genuine poverty in this countrythat trickles' entrenched got genuine poverty in this countrythat trickles down nched wealth that trickles down tnrougn — wealth that trickles down through generations wealth that trickles down through -generations not through the generations does not pay through the generations does not pty tnnenttnte— through the generations does not pay inheritance tax. �*" pay inheritance tax. if you own a pay inheritance tax. if you own t huge— pay inheritance tax. if you own a huge estate, if you have a large farm, if you're the duke of whatever, and you've got some huge house, you've long ago sorted out that you'll never your family necessarily . daniel your family necessarily. daniel not never have to pay inheritance tax inheritance tax is paid by people who have worked and saved and had a family home and that family home has value has gone up and they are the ones having it taken away from them because they're the ones who can't escape it. that's most people . and it's that's most people. and it's a time in crisis in public

services. you would cut the tax ytett— services. you would cut the tax ytett to — services. you would cut the tax ytett to tne — services. you would cut the tax yield to the treasury,- t you would cut the tax yield to the treasury, would you,— yield to the treasury, would you-tne— yield to the treasury, would you,-time when- yield to the treasury, would you, time when we've got you, at a time when we've got ur— you, at a time when we've got tn ntttton— you, at a time when we've got 7.4 million people— you, at a time when we've got 7.4 million people waiting on our 7.4 million people waiting on uns— 7.4 million people waiting on our nhs waiting— 7.4 million people waiting on our nhs waiting lists, would our nhs waiting lists, you would ttte—ot— our nhs waiting lists, you would ttte—ot tne- our nhs waiting lists, you would take of the treasury? take money out of the treasury? i take money out of the treasury? r voutt— take money out of the treasury? i would believe— take money out of the treasury? i would believe that— take money out of the treasury? i would believe that the- take money out of the treasury? i would believe that the right response when michelle says, i think we all agree. michelle is right in saying the tax burden is the highest it's ever been. i think the right response is to say it should be lower. the tax burden may be higher than it's ever public services ever been, but public services are being stretched more than they have ever been. better services by public services can't wait by continuing to pour money into them because we have tried that and tried it. let me finish it. let me let me finish. is the tax burden we've typical, which is unsustainable . this is which is unsustainable. this is a typical old school— which is unsustainable. this is a typical old school right- rt“ c. this is a typical old school right wing ntrrtttve — a typical old school right wing narrative. the— a typical old school right wing narrative. the idea that because putte— narrative. the idea that because puttte eervteee— narrative. the idea that because public services aren't working as public services aren't working to vett— public services aren't working to vett te— public services aren't working as well as they— public services aren't working as well as they should be, that tntt— as well as they should be, that tntt te— as well as they should be, that that is somehow— as well as they should be, that that is somehow because we've pouret— that is somehow because we've pouret too— that is somehow because we've pouret too muon— that is somehow because we've poured too much money into it, tteotute— poured too much money into it, absolute nonsense. we aren't pourtng— absolute nonsense. we aren't pourtng-noney- absolute nonsense. we aren't pouring money into it. pouring enough money into it. tntt— pouring enough money into it. tntt-netn— pouring enough money into it. tntt-netn-youl pouring enough money into it.- that-mean-you can't that doesn't mean that you can't tnprove. — that doesn't mean that you can't tnprove. tet— that doesn't mean that you can't tnprove. tet ne— that doesn't mean that you can't improve. let me finish. let me ttnten— improve. let me finish. let me ttnten tne— improve. let me finish. let me finish the argument. that toeen-t— finish the argument. that. doesn't—can't doesn't mean that you can't

tnprove— doesn't mean that you can't improve management along the doesn't mean that you can't imprrbutmanagement along the doesn't mean that you can't imprr but theiagement along the doesn't mean that you can't imprr but the population ong the doesn't mean that you can't imprr but the population has the way. but the population has grown— way. but the population has grown eo— way. but the population has grown so even— way. but the population has grown so even if— way. but the population has grown so even if are grown so even if we are ntrgtnttty— grown so even if we are marginally increasing the tunttng— marginally increasing the funding-the- marginally increasing the funding the nhs, we marginally increasing the funding-the nhs, we many funding of the nhs, we have many peopte— funding of the nhs, we have many peopte to— funding of the nhs, we have many more people to treat, more than nettttne— more people to treat, more than medicine expensive. you medicine is expensive. you tnnot— medicine is expensive. you tnnot uten— medicine is expensive. you cannot wish away problems to the putte— cannot wish away problems to the puttte eervttee. — cannot wish away problems to the public services. you— cannot wish away problems to the public services. you simply ttn-t— public services. you simply cut .— public services. you simply etn-t . ant— public services. you simply can't . and on— public services. you simply can't . and on ideological can't. and on ideological grounde— can't. and on ideological grounds, none- can't. and on ideological grounds, none of us want to pay ttx. rn— grounds, none of us want to pay ttx. rn tn— grounds, none of us want to pay more tax. in an ideal world. but we to.— more tax. in an ideal world. but we to. rue— more tax. in an ideal world. but we to. we ntve— more tax. in an ideal world. but we do. we have we— more tax. in an ideal world. but we do. we have we have. /r:::r. we do. we have we have. you ttvtyt— we do. we have we have. you ttvtyt tttnt— we do. we have we have. you always stand here and tell me that you're happy. he thinks the tax that you're happy. he thinks the ttx turten— that you're happy. he thinks the tax burden isn't— that you're happy. he thinks the tax burden isn't high— ”rt; he thinks the tax burden isn't high enough. i tntnt— tax burden isn't high enough. i tntnt tntt-e— tax burden isn't high enough. i think that's that's— tax burden isn't high enough. i think that's that's a fair poettton. — think that's that's a fair position. what- think that's that's a fair position. �*fvt’fletc think that's that's a fair position. �*fvt’fletc ’“ think that's that's a fair position. ’“ think that's that's a fair- position. what i mean is, in an ideal course, we want ideal world, of course, we want to keep as much money as we can, but we live in world where we but we live in a world where we have responsibility to our fellow citizens ans we want to live world where we don't live in a world where we don't have stepfathers or fathers or mothers or whoever have stepfathers or fathers or m is iers or whoever have stepfathers or fathers or m is languishing or whoever have stepfathers or fathers or mis languishing on,or whoever have stepfathers or fathers or mis languishing on, waitingver it is languishing on, waiting lists, getting sicker sicker lists, getting sicker and sicker and because lord moylan, and sicker because lord moylan, for ideological reasons, wants the cut. european the tax levy to be cut. european countries, they have a higher the tax levy to be cut. european cou burden:hey have a higher the tax levy to be cut. european cou burden thaniave a higher the tax levy to be cut. european cou burden than wet a higher the tax levy to be cut. european cou burden than we do higher the tax levy to be cut. european cou burden than we do . daniel, tax burden than we do. daniel, you know that i've— tax burden than we do. daniel, you know that i've got- tax burden than we do. daniel, you know that i've got a- r:rt“ ctr“ r:rtr daniel, you know that i've got a very etnpte— you know that i've got a very simple solution— you know that i've got a very simple solution to this. yes, i voutt— simple solution to this. yes, i would reduce— simple solution to this. yes, i would reduce tax— simple solution to this. yes, i would reduce tax income to the torren— would reduce tax income to the tottereltne — would reduce tax income to the coffers the government coffers of the government teetuee— coffers of the government because lthey - coffers of the government because they actually because if they actually retetvet— because if they actually

received money, my because if they actually- received-money, my argument received less money, my argument voutt— received less money, my argument vouttltney— received less money, my argument vouttltney-ntve- received less money, my argument would.they-have to- would be they might have to engtge— would be they might have to engtge-trttn- would be they might have to engage-brain-onl would be they might have to. engage-brain-on how engage their brain cells on how to-tt— engage their brain cells on how to-tt t— engage their brain cells on how to-it a little— engage their brain cells on how to-it a little bit- engage their brain cells on how to it a little bit more to spend it a little bit more ettetttvety— to spend it a little bit more effectively rather than wasting it. effectively rather than wasting tt. tne— effectively rather than wasting tt. tne vty— effectively rather than wasting tt. tne vty tney— effectively rather than wasting it. the way they do now, because tney— it. the way they do now, because tney-extnptee- it. the way they do now, because they-exampleslthe - they give us examples of the way troun— they give us examples of the way around._example. - around. give us an example. war,— around. give us an example. prep, r— around. give us an example. prep, r vttt— around. give us an example. well, i will rac— around. give us an example. well, i will rac in the nhs. i vttt— well, i will rac in the nhs. i vttt gtve— well, i will rac in the nhs. i vttt gtve you— well, i will rac in the nhs. i will give you many examples. and by will give you many examples. and tut-wave— will give you many examples. and try-vty, vnen— will give you many examples. and try-vty, vnen you— will give you many examples. and by way, when you talk about by the way, when you talk about nus,— by the way, when you talk about nus-tttttng— by the way, when you talk about nhs, talking about nhs, you was talking about poputttton— nhs, you was talking about population-and- nhs, you was talking about- population-and-being nhs, you was talking about- popiof tion-and-being nhs, you was talking about- popiof the -and -being nhs, you was talking about popiof the challenges being nhs, you was talking about popiof the challenges on being nhs, you was talking about popiof the challenges on the aing one of the challenges on the nus,— one of the challenges on the nus, t— one of the challenges on the nus, t etnpte— one of the challenges on the nhs, a simple response to that voutt— nhs, a simple response to that would-migration- would be to cap migration tettuee— would be to cap migration because one— would be to cap migration because one biggest because one of the biggest grovtne— because one of the biggest grovtne to— because one of the biggest growths to population in in this country— growths to population in in this country contribution from country is the contribution from net—etrttgnt- net migration. so straight away i_cap_ net migration. so straight away r—ttp tntt- net migration. so straight away r—ttp tntt tnel i would look to cap that the protten — i would look to cap that the problem _firstl i would look to cap that thei problem _first of problem with that is, first of pr.— problem with that is, first of tttlvoutt— problem with that is, first of all, would involve sending all, it would involve sending tntt— all, it would involve sending tntt voutt— all, it would involve sending that would involve sending utrttnttn— ukrainian refugees back to being met.— ukrainian refugees back to being killed.iukrainian_ ukrainian refugees back to being killed. ’“ rtr“ ’“ ukrainian refugees back to being killed. ’“ rt“ ’“ rt“r: killed. ukrainian women and children being killed by killed. ukrainian women and chilrussians. being killed by killed. ukrainian women and chilrussians. would killed by killed. ukrainian women and chilrussians. would matthew' the russians. it would matthew and have a labour gap in and also we have a labour gap in our in our market, michel. we have a million jobs are not have a million jobs that are not being done. so it's a difficult balancing act, sentimental balancing act, this sentimental touch when to touch when it comes to immigration, migration. no immigration, net migration. no one to send ukrainians one wants to send ukrainians ttet— one wants to send ukrainians ttet to— one wants to send ukrainians ttet to get— one wants to send ukrainians back to get killed. so how do we reute— back to get killed. so how do we reduce immigration? that reduce immigration? well, that t tny— reduce immigration? well, that was a tiny fragment of the eoeooo — was a tiny fragment of the 606,000 migration, you 606,000 net migration, as you know.— 606,000 net migration, as you know-ty— 606,000 net migration, as you tnov-ty tne— 606,000 net migration, as you know. -by the way, - 606,000 net migration, as you know. by the way, you led me know. and by the way, you led me

you—tnto— know. and by the way, you led me you—tnto tettng- you led me nicely into asking for you led me nicely into asking tor extnptee— you led me nicely into asking for examples of— you led me nicely into asking for examples of where we waste noey — for examples of where we waste noey war,— for examples of where we waste money. well, you've just nicely teet— money. well, you've just nicely teet up— money. well, you've just nicely teet up my— money. well, you've just nicely teet up my next— money. well, you've just nicely teed up my next topic, everyone. nettuee— teed up my next topic, everyone. nettueetorn—el because where i want to come ttet— because where i want to come ttet to— because where i want to come ttet tolt— because where i want to come ttet tolt-to- because where i want to come back to a to answer back to in a second to answer no— back to in a second to answer nte-ttrettty— back to in a second to answer his-directly into- back to in a second to answer his directly into where we his point directly into where we vtete— his point directly into where we vtete-te— his point directly into where we vtete-te tne— his point directly into where we waste is the absolute waste money is the absolute tonunee— waste money is the absolute tortunee ve— waste money is the absolute fortunes we spend every single day fortunes we spend every single tty nouetng— fortunes we spend every single day housing illegal asylum seekers, migrants, refugees, economic people, whatever you ntnt— economic people, whatever you vtnt to — economic people, whatever you vtnt to out— economic people, whatever you want to call them— economic people, whatever you want to call them , in very want to call them, in very expenve— want to call them, in very expensive hotels. there's a row trevtng— expensive hotels. there's a row brewing because _ expensive hotels. there's a row brewing because right now tnere-e— brewing because right now tnere-e t— brewing because right now there's a group— brewing because right now there's a group of them that are etnptng— there's a group of them that are etnptng out— there's a group of them that are etnptng out on— there's a group of them that are camping out on the streets teetuee— camping out on the streets because they _ camping out on the streets because they reckon the hotel is not good— because they reckon the hotel is not good enough.— because they reckon the hotel is not good enough. let's get into tntt— not good enough. let's get into tntt. arter— not good enough. let's get into that. after the—

worse. it it was a young female worse. it was a young female tntt— worse. it was a young female tntt youe— it was a young female that you're listening to, gb neve— that you're listening to, gb ueve tttto— that you're listening to, gb news radio ._ that you're listening to, gb news radio . _ that you're listening to, gb news radio . ”r“rtt; that you're listening to, gb news radio . c’“rt;”rt; news radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through until 7:00 tonight. matthew stadlen, the writer and broadcaster, is with me, as is lord daniel moylan, the tory peer in the house of lords. someone called carla has just been touch with lord just been in touch with lord moylan. in a word, moylan. i've, in a word, apparently scruffy so—and—so apparently the scruffy so—and—so . tie off centre .

. you had your tie off centre. well, to be fair, carla blamed vtrtrote— well, to be fair, carla blamed vtrtrote . — well, to be fair, carla blamed wardrobe . oh,— well, to be fair, carla blamed wardrobe . o“ , g well, to be fair, carla blamed wardrobe . o“ . g q“ wardrobe. oh, right. oh, wardrobe. oh, right. oh, wardrobe . this is not the bbc. wardrobe. this is not the bbc. carla wardrobe . tell us would be carla wardrobe. tell us would be a fine thing. didn't carla wardrobe. tell us would be a fine thing . didn't someone a fine thing. didn't someone etee— a fine thing. didn't someone etee get— a fine thing. didn't someone etee get tn— a fine thing. didn't someone else get in touch— �*" “3 didn't someone else get in touch with you, tuner,— else get in touch with you, paper, to— else get in touch with you, daniel, to say— else get in touch with you, daniel, to say that when i'm epetttng— daniel, to say that when i'm epetttng, tney— daniel, to say that when i'm speaking, they. they mute the. vett— speaking, they. they mute the. vett-grott— speaking, they. they mute the. yeah - great line _ speaking, they. they mute the. yeah-great line up.- speaking, they. they mute the. yeah-great line up. as- speaking, they. they mute the. yeah is a great line up. as long as you were on mute. well however, mute whether however, if you do mute whether you are mute when matthew speaking, you're missing out because that because one of the things that i really enjoy on this is really enjoy on this program is robust is everyone robust opinion on it is everyone has different views. there's no right, has different views. there's no ngnt, tnere-e— has different views. there's no right, there's no— has different views. there's no right, there's no wrong- r: ”rtrrt; . there's no right, there's no wrong unless youre— right, there's no wrong unless you're me, obviously, then i'm ttvtye— you're me, obviously, then i'm ttvtye ngnt.— you're me, obviously, then i'm always right-all- you're me, obviously, then i'm always right. all have always right. but we all have tttterent— always right. but we all have different views— always right. but we all have different views that's different views and that's what tnte— different views and that's what tne—trout.- different views and that's what this—about. airing. this program is about. airing tten— this program is about. airing them, debating— this program is about. airing them, debating them and moving onlte— them, debating them and moving onlte trtente— them, debating them and moving onlbe friends at— them, debating them and moving on be friends at the end of on to be friends at the end of it, on to be friends at the end of t, nopetutty.— on to be friends at the end of it, hopefully. anyway you were tettng— it, hopefully. anyway you were asking-matthew- it, hopefully. anyway you were asking matthew was asking me asking me, matthew was asking me at asking me, matthew was asking me tt-ot— asking me, matthew was asking me tt-ot tntt— asking me, matthew was asking me tt-ot tntt ttet— asking me, matthew was asking me at-of that last topic.- at the end of that last topic. i vntngetng— at the end of that last topic. i was whingeing about waste. you stung,— was whingeing about waste. you were saying, well,— was whingeing about waste. you were saying, well, give me some extnptee— were saying, well, give me some examples.iwould_ were saying, well, give me some examples. would say huge examples. i would say a huge extnpte— examples. i would say a huge extnpteltn— examples. i would say a huge example an awful, horrendous example of an awful, horrendous epenttng— example of an awful, horrendous epenttng tnt— example of an awful, horrendous spending and negligent spending. attuttty— spending and negligent spending. attutttyltntnt— spending and negligent spending. actually,ithink it— spending and negligent spending. actually, think it is actually, i think it is negttgent— actually, i think it is negligent from our government to be negligent from our government to txe-tnte— negligent from our government to te-tnte netrty— negligent from our government to be-this nearly £6- negligent from our government to be this nearly £6 million be doing this nearly £6 million a be doing this nearly £6 million t-tottt— be doing this nearly £6 million t-tottt ,— be doing this nearly £6 million t-tottt , tt— be doing this nearly £6 million a-total , if not- be doing this nearly £6 million a total , if not more, a day in total, if not more, tepenttng— a day in total, if not more, tepenttng on— a day in total, if not more, depending on how you cut it is

spent— depending on how you cut it is epent per— depending on how you cut it is epent per tty— depending on how you cut it is epent per tty on— depending on how you cut it is spent per day on hotels , meals. spent per day on hotels, meals. tnere-e— spent per day on hotels, meals. tnere-e tn— spent per day on hotels, meals. there's an example that's in the pest— there's an example that's in the press t— there's an example that's in the press t tot— there's an example that's in the press a lot today— there's an example that's in the press a lot today around is trevtng— press a lot today around is brewing because in london, tentrtt— brewing because in london, central london,— brewing because in london, central london, i have to say, you-ve— central london, i have to say, youve got— central london, i have to say, youve got t— central london, i have to say, you've got a group of these peopte,— you've got a group of these peopler illegal— you've got a group of these people, illegal migrants , people, illegal migrants, retugeee— people, illegal migrants, refugees, whatever you want to out— refugees, whatever you want to tttt tnen. — refugees, whatever you want to tttt tnen. rue— refugees, whatever you want to call them. we can— refugees, whatever you want to call them. we can argue about terntnotogy— call them. we can argue about terminology. they— call them. we can argue about terminology. they are busy etnptng— terminology. they are busy camping outside the hotel . terminology. they are busy camping outside the hotel. this is camping outside the hotel. this te t— camping outside the hotel. this is a scene that— camping outside the hotel. this is a scene that you're seeing on your— is a scene that you're seeing on your screens now.— is a scene that you're seeing on your screens now. basically they were moved from _ your screens now. basically they were moved from a— your screens now. basically they were moved from a hotel in essex tnt— were moved from a hotel in essex tnt no— were moved from a hotel in essex tnt vnere— were moved from a hotel in essex and now where they've been presented— and now where they've been preeentet tn— and now where they've been presented in this new hotel, rte— presented in this new hotel, to tour— presented in this new hotel, to tour to— presented in this new hotel, it's four to a— presented in this new hotel, it's four to a room. so two sets of it's four to a room. so two sets ot punt— it's four to a room. so two sets ot punt pete— it's four to a room. so two sets of bunk beds basically. they're not ntppy.— of bunk beds basically. they're not happy- they— of bunk beds basically. they're not happy. they don't like the ttttttttee— not happy. they don't like the facilities. they're— not happy. they don't like the facilities. they're saying it's enetty— facilities. they're saying it's enettylrte— facilities. they're saying it's smelly as understand it. smelly. as i understand it. tpptrentty— smelly. as i understand it. apparently the— smelly. as i understand it. apparently the food's all right. so-not— apparently the food's all right. so-not ttt. — apparently the food's all right. so-not bad. wi—fi- apparently the food's all right. so not bad. wi—fi is a so that's not bad. wi—fi is a tort— so that's not bad. wi—fi is a ttt etov. — so that's not bad. wi—fi is a bit slow. and— so that's not bad. wi—fi is a bit slow. and out— so that's not bad. wi—fi is a bit slow. and out on the street tney—utntet,- bit slow. and out on the street they—daniel, what| they are staying. daniel, what do they are staying. daniel, what to-ntte— they are staying. daniel, what to-ntte to— they are staying. daniel, what do make to this? c do you make to this? it's a rettty— do you make to this? it's a really interesting flashpoint, isn't it, now? because if they hold out the home office has to face up to about three choices. really one is to find better accommodation for them at no doubt higher cost . i just don't

doubt higher cost. i just don't think the public is going to wear that . i just don't think wear that. i just don't think they are at a time when we have homeless people living in bed and breakfast and to say you're entitled to a private hotel room of your own with an en suite bathroom. and so i just don't think the public are aware that. the second is could try and the second is they could try and cajole go back into the cajole them to go back into the place and try and persuade them. i don't think they're going to. maybe they'll be successful in doing that. and the third is just their back them just to turn their back on them and you can live on the and say you can live on the streets. in that case, which is not necessarily ideal either. i can't not necessarily ideal either. i cant any not necessarily ideal either. i can't any other way out of can't see any other way out of this. now, for the home office, what megxit matthew? is what do you megxit matthew? is this emotional topic for me? this an emotional topic for me? nettuee— this an emotional topic for me? because on one side of my family we_.epugee,_ because on one side of my family we_.epugee, ny- we come from refugee, my grtntptrente,— we come from refugee, my grandparents, my grandparentsi were refugees from hitler, from gem...— were refugees from hitler, from gem... tnt— were refugees from hitler, from gem... tnt ny— were refugees from hitler, from vienna, and my great great uncle and vienna, and my great great uncle tnt ny— vienna, and my great great uncle tnt rny ttt-e— vienna, and my great great uncle and my dad's side— vienna, and my great great uncle and my dad's side was killed by the and my dad's side was killed by tne eeettpo.— and my dad's side was killed by the gestapo. the— and my dad's side was killed by the gestapo. the first person to die the gestapo. the first person to tte on— the gestapo. the first person to tte on tne— the gestapo. the first person to die on the gestapo— the gestapo. the first person to die on the gestapo in austria. ene— die on the gestapo in austria. one ot— die on the gestapo in austria. one ot tne— die on the gestapo in austria. one of the people who is doing tnte— one of the people who is doing this protesting.— one of the people who is doing this protesting. i— one of the people who is doing this protesting. i read up in tne— this protesting. i read up in tne tnttte— this protesting. i read up in the article comes from iran. and

he the article comes from iran. and ne voutt— the article comes from iran. and ne voutt ntve— the article comes from iran. and he would have been hanged had he ettyet— he would have been hanged had he ettyet tn— he would have been hanged had he ettyet tn ntn— he would have been hanged had he ettyet tn rtn .— he would have been hanged had he stayed in iran . so— he would have been hanged had he stayed in iran . so i— he would have been hanged had he stayed in iran . so i think stayed in iran. so i think eonetntng— stayed in iran. so i think something like 60, it may be as ntgn— something like 60, it may be as ntgn te— something like 60, it may be as ntgn te coy.— something like 60, it may be as ntgn te eon ot— something like 60, it may be as high as 80% of people who have teen— high as 80% of people who have been tontng— high as 80% of people who have been coming over— high as 80% of people who have been coming over the channel on totte— been coming over the channel on boats eventually— been coming over the channel on boats eventually get refugee etttue— boats eventually get refugee status. their— boats eventually get refugee status. their asylum claims are tteeptet.— status. their asylum claims are teeeptet. so— status. their asylum claims are accepted. so the— status. their asylum claims are accepted. so the majority of tneee— accepted. so the majority of tneee peopte,— accepted. so the majority of these people, whether it's a eon— these people, whether it's a tort ot— these people, whether it's a sort of smaller— these people, whether it's a sort of smaller majority or an overvnetntng— sort of smaller majority or an overwhelming majority, are genutne— overwhelming majority, are genuine refugees. for fleeing the genuine refugees. for fleeing tne eon— genuine refugees. for fleeing tne eort ot— genuine refugees. for fleeing the sort of horrors that my grtntptrente— the sort of horrors that my grandparents fled . you don't grandparents fled. you don't ntve— grandparents fled. you don't ntve to— grandparents fled. you don't have to compare the holocaust to tnytntng— have to compare the holocaust to tnytntng etee— have to compare the holocaust to tnytntng etee to— have to compare the holocaust to anything else to realise that dying— anything else to realise that tytng tt— anything else to realise that tytng tt tne— anything else to realise that dying at the hands of the eeettpo— dying at the hands of the gestapo isn't— dying at the hands of the gestapo isn't much different to dying— gestapo isn't much different to tytng tt— gestapo isn't much different to tytng tt tne— gestapo isn't much different to dying at the hands of the ayttotttne— dying at the hands of the ayatollahs in— dying at the hands of the ayatollahs in iran or the horror in ayatollahs in iran or the horror tn synt— ayatollahs in iran or the horror tn synt unter— ayatollahs in iran or the horror in syria under the— ayatollahs in iran or the horror in syria under the evil of ntentr— in syria under the evil of bashar al—assad's regime. so i ntve— bashar al—assad's regime. so i ntve t— bashar al—assad's regime. so i ntve t tot— bashar al—assad's regime. so i ntve t tot ot— bashar al—assad's regime. so i have a lot of sympathy and enpttny— have a lot of sympathy and enpttny tor— have a lot of sympathy and empathy for the— have a lot of sympathy and empathy for the people involved in empathy for the people involved tn tneee— empathy for the people involved in these struggles. you said etrtter— in these struggles. you said earlier before— in these struggles. you said earlier before the break, nutter,— earlier before the break, michel, that— earlier before the break, michel, that it was a tiny trtetton— michel, that it was a tiny fraction of— michel, that it was a tiny fraction of the- michel, that it was a tiny fraction of the immigration ttguree— fraction of the immigration ttguree, tne— fraction of the immigration figures, the number of ukrainians— figures, the number of ukrainians that we took in. i was absolutely— ukrainians that we took in. i was absolutely full square

tentnt— was absolutely full square behind taking— was absolutely full square behind taking in ukrainians as a country.— behind taking in ukrainians as a country. ant— behind taking in ukrainians as a country. ant eo— behind taking in ukrainians as a country. and so many people trount— country. and so many people trount tne— country. and so many people around the country are incredibly— around the country are incredibly generous in doing so. it incredibly generous in doing so. rt vtnt— incredibly generous in doing so. it wasn't actually— incredibly generous in doing so. it wasn't actually that small a figure — it wasn't actually that small a figure rt— it wasn't actually that small a figure rt vt— it wasn't actually that small a figure. it was something like the figure. it was something like tne tntrt— figure. it was something like the third highest proportion of the immigration figures were retugeee— the immigration figures were refugees coming from ukraine. wntt— refugees coming from ukraine. wnttlt— refugees coming from ukraine. what-a relatively— refugees coming from ukraine. what a relatively tiny what is a relatively tiny trtttton— what is a relatively tiny fraction of— what is a relatively tiny fraction of the immigration ttguree— fraction of the immigration ttguree te— fraction of the immigration figures are the— fraction of the immigration figures are the numbers of peopte— figures are the numbers of peopte eontng— figures are the numbers of people coming here seeking teytun— people coming here seeking teytun. rt— people coming here seeking asylum. it was— people coming here seeking asylum. it was something like 8. tnte— asylum. it was something like 8. tnte te— asylum. it was something like 8. tnte te vntppet— asylum. it was something like 8. this is whipped up— asylum. it was something like 8. this is whipped up on an ongoing ptero— this is whipped up on an ongoing ttete ty— this is whipped up on an ongoing ttete ty ty— this is whipped up on an ongoing ttete try try tv— this is whipped up on an ongoing basis by by tv shows, by neveptper— basis by by tv shows, by newspaper papers and so forth, tettuee— newspaper papers and so forth, tettuee tt— newspaper papers and so forth, because it gets— newspaper papers and so forth, because it gets clicks, because it because it gets clicks, because tt generttee— because it gets clicks, because it generates more— because it gets clicks, because it generates more viewers, tettuee— it generates more viewers, tettuee tt— it generates more viewers, because it generates outrage . because it generates outrage. ant— because it generates outrage. ant tron — because it generates outrage. ant tron tne— because it generates outrage. and from the government's point of and from the government's point ot vtevv— and from the government's point of view, because _ and from the government's point of view, because it— and from the government's point of view, because it destroys tttte— of view, because it destroys ttete tron — of view, because it destroys facts from the— of view, because it destroys facts from the facts, as i keep stung,— facts from the facts, as i keep etytng, tntt— facts from the facts, as i keep saying, that nearly 11 million of saying, that nearly 11 million ot ue— saying, that nearly 11 million ot ue te— saying, that nearly 11 million of us are struggling pay our of us are struggling to pay our true— of us are struggling to pay our tttte on— of us are struggling to pay our tttte on tne— of us are struggling to pay our bills on the specifics of this protest— bills on the specifics of this potent ,— bills on the specifics of this protest ,ithink_ bills on the specifics of this protest , think we can bills on the specifics of this protest, think we can all protest, i think we can all tgree— protest, i think we can all tgree tntt— protest, i think we can all agree that human beings should live agree that human beings should ttve tn— agree that human beings should live in humane— agree that human beings should live in humane conditions. agree that human beings should live in humane conditions . and live in humane conditions. and utntet— live in humane conditions. and utntet te— live in humane conditions. and daniel is absolutely right to tttt— daniel is absolutely right to tttt ttout— daniel is absolutely right to talk about british homelessness. we talk about british homelessness. vventeetv-e— talk about british homelessness. we massive problem of we have a massive problem of noneeeeneeet— we have a massive problem of homelessness in— we have a massive problem of homelessness in this country and tntt— homelessness in this country and tntt toeen-t— homelessness in this country and that doesn't just— homelessness in this country and that doesn't just involve people eteeptng— that doesn't just involve people eteeptngltne— that doesn't just involve people sleeping the streets. it's sleeping on the streets. it's peopte— sleeping on the streets. it's peopte 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people who don't have a permanent home. is a national permanent home. it is a national eetnttt— permanent home. it is a national eetnttt-ve— permanent home. it is a national scandal-we haven't- permanent home. it is a national scandal we haven't dealt scandal that we haven't dealt vttn— scandal that we haven't dealt vttn-ton-t— scandal that we haven't dealt with-don't want- scandal that we haven't dealt with don't want to with that we don't want to compound— with that we don't want to compound scandal with that we don't want to compound-scandal making with that we don't want to compotwho.scandal making with that we don't want to compotwho are scandal making with that we don't want to compotwho are trulyial making with that we don't want to compotwho are truly vulnerable,|g people who are truly vulnerable, tontng— people who are truly vulnerable, coming-overseas,- people who are truly vulnerable, coming overseas, fleeing coming from overseas, fleeing teepote, — coming from overseas, fleeing teepote, steep— coming from overseas, fleeing despots, sleep in— coming from overseas, fleeing despots, sleep in rooms 4 to 2 nette— despots, sleep in rooms 4 to 2 metre rooms. so— despots, sleep in rooms 4 to 2 metre rooms. grtr metre rooms. so i've got i've almost got steam coming out my ears, right? so first things first. if you are genuinely at risk of being persecuted in iran or wherever, and i don't doubt that there's horrific scenes occurring, i've never been convinced about why here you would leave all your family if you're if you're what you're describing to me is this horrendous scenario. i don't know your family circumstances, but i can i can tell you if there was something horrific going on in this country, i would leaving loved would not be leaving my loved ones behind. scarpering , ones behind. and scarpering, that's point. so i'm ones behind. and scarpering, that's convinced oint. so i'm ones behind. and scarpering, that's convinced whenso i'm ones behind. and scarpering, that's convinced when they1 ones behind. and scarpering, that's convinced when they just never convinced when they just learn men doing this. the second never convinced when they just learn again,oing this. the second never convinced when they just learn again, ifng this. the second never convinced when they just learn again, if i] this. the second never convinced when they just learn again, if i genuinely second point again, if i genuinely thought i was about to be hanged in the country of origin, that i was in my primary concern, my only concern anyway would be get to safety as soon as i'm safe, i'd be breathing, i'd be

relaxed. i'd be like, right, thank goodness for me. i'm safe. what i wouldn't imagine myself doing under any scenario is sitting there thinking, right, i'm going to be hanged. so where do i want to go in the world? start and choosing. start picking and choosing. looking google looking looking on google maps, looking at hotels and getting at nice hotels and getting myself when friends myself chuffed when my friends are telling me, look all are telling me, look at all these that might these facilities that you might have up hotel have rocking up to said hotel and then refusing the facility because it doesn't meet my expectations. you turn around and know, these and say, you know, these horrific inhumane conditions, and say, you know, these horrime inhumane conditions, and say, you know, these horrime aihumane conditions, and say, you know, these horrime a break. ie conditions, and say, you know, these horrime a break. this nditions, and say, you know, these horrime a break. this is itions, and say, you know, these horrime a break. this is a ons, give me a break. this is a central london hotel . and what central london hotel. and what the proposal is, is to bunk beds in a room. now, i don't know if you've ever been backpacking and you've ever been backpacking and you have these backpacker dorms all country and they'll all over the country and they'll exist sorry, all over the exist in sorry, all over the world. exist this world. they'll exist in this country as where people world. they'll exist in this countover where people world. they'll exist in this countover money vhere people world. they'll exist in this countover money vhere jin)ple world. they'll exist in this countover moneyvhere jin rooms hand over money to be in rooms where there's way more than four people into bunk beds. the dorms are absolutely ginormous . i've are absolutely ginormous. i've never heard anyone say backpacker resorts and dorms are inhumane. they're like animals. i find it ridiculous. in 1999, i think it i find it ridiculous. in 1999, i tntnt tt vte— i find it ridiculous. in 1999, i think it was, i— i find it ridiculous. in 1999, i think it was, i travelled-

�*" “r: c , r: t in 1999, i think it was, i travelled for two— think it was, i travelled for two nontne— think it was, i travelled for two months in— think it was, i travelled for two months in latin america and soutn— two months in latin america and south america,— two months in latin america and south america, and— two months in latin america and south america, and i spent £800 in south america, and i spent £800 tn etgnt— south america, and i spent £800 in eight countries.— south america, and i spent £800 in eight countries. right over a nne— in eight countries. right over a weet— in eight countries. right over a nine week period.— in eight countries. right over a nine week period. so i know what it's nine week period. so i know what tt-e ute— nine week period. so i know what tt-e ttte to— nine week period. so i know what it's like to rough— nine week period. so i know what it's like to rough it.— nine week period. so i know what it's like to rough it. i was paying— it's like to rough it. i was paying about_ it's like to rough it. i was paying about the equivalent of a pound— paying about the equivalent of a pound t— paying about the equivalent of a pount t ntgnt— paying about the equivalent of a pount t ntgnt eo— paying about the equivalent of a pound a night so that i could ntve— pound a night so that i could ntveltrtnt— pound a night so that i could haveldrink on— pound a night so that i could haveldrink on a— pound a night so that i could have drink on a friday night have a drink on a friday night tnt— have a drink on a friday night tnt go— have a drink on a friday night tnt go ettet— have a drink on a friday night and go salsa dancing. so i know wntt— and go salsa dancing. so i know wntt tt-e— and go salsa dancing. so i know wntt rte-to— and go salsa dancing. so i know what it's-to rough- and go salsa dancing. so i know what it's to rough it. i what it's like to rough it. do i do what it's like to rough it. do i to r— what it's like to rough it. do i to r toe—ntn— what it's like to rough it. do i do i de—man-you- what it's like to rough it. do i do i de—man you went to do i de—man when you went to tneee— do i de—man when you went to tneee torne— do i de—man when you went to these dorms for— do i de—man when you went to these dorms for your pound ntgnt,— these dorms for your pound npgn, rtt— these dorms for your pound npgn, ttt you— these dorms for your pound night, did you sit there going to tne— night, did you sit there going to the hostel— night, did you sit there going to the hostel owners? ’“ to the hostel owners? this is tnuntnne— to the hostel owners? this is inhumane. when you've got four bunk this is bunk beds in this room, this is inhumane. wouldn't be treated inhumane. i wouldn't be treated like i an animal. like this if i was an animal. so i was. by the way, we should trett— so i was. by the way, we should trett tnt— so i was. by the way, we should treat and we'll— so i was. by the way, we should treat and we'll come on to tntntte— treat and we'll come on to animals later.— treat and we'll come on to animals later. should. we animals later. we should. we enoutt— animals later. we should. we should _well,l should treat animals. well, i wte-yetr— should treat animals. well, i wte-yetr ott- should treat animals. well, i was year old learning my was in 19 year old learning my way— was in 19 year old learning my wty tn— was in 19 year old learning my wty tn tne— was in 19 year old learning my way in the world. _ was in 19 year old learning my way in the world. and and way in the world. and i and i tnt— way in the world. and i and i tnt r— way in the world. and i and i tnt r toot— way in the world. and i and i and i took value— way in the world. and i and i and i took value from that expenene — and i took value from that experience. it's— and i took value from that experience. it's entirely tttterent— experience. it's entirely different from someone who is, as-described,_ different from someone who is, as described, being as i've described, being threatened— as i've described, being threatened being hanged threatened with being hanged in tner— threatened with being hanged in tnetr—tnen- their home country and then ntvtng— their home country and then ntvtng to— their home country and then having to -three - their home country and then having to three with three having to live three with three otter—otter- having to live three with three. other—other human other men or three other human tetnge— beings inside a tiny room. tntt-e— beings inside a tiny room. that's-that's- beings inside a tiny room. that's that's not that's it's not that's not nuntn— that's it's not that's not human,-were- that's it's not that's not human, were saying. human, they were saying. so tet-e— human, they were saying. so tet-e tett— human, they were saying. so let's deal-that- human, they were saying. so let's deal that second let's deal with that second potnt. — let's deal with that second potnt. mung- let's deal with that second point. -hung in- let's deal with that second point. “g t“ t let's deal with that second. point. -hung in france. point. get hung in france. okay? none of— point. get hung in france. okay? none of us- point. get hung in france. okay? none of us and- point. cirtic “g t“ t okay? none of us and you tnttutert— okay? none of us and you included,-want- okay? none of us and you included, want to be put included, would want to be put

up included, would want to be put up-a— included, would want to be put up-t roon— included, would want to be put up _a room where - included, would want to be put up a room where there's up for to a room where there's a two— up for to a room where there's a two nette— up for to a room where there's a two netre geue— up for to a room where there's a two metre square room. none of us. two metre square room. none of vou— two metre square room. none of us. you wouldn't. _ two metre square room. none of us. you wouldn't. i— two metre square room. none of us. you wouldn't. i wouldn't. if gong— us. you wouldn't. i wouldn't. if gotng to— us. you wouldn't. i wouldn't. if we're going to .and - us. you wouldn't. i wouldn't. if we're going to and imagine we're going to try and imagine ourselves into— we're going to try and imagine ourselves into these circumstances. secondly, it's rettty—torl really, i think, difficult for any— really, i think, difficult for any-including- really, i think, difficult for any including me, really, i think, difficult for any-including me, the any of us, including me, as the grtnteon— any of us, including me, as the. grandson—imagine grandson of refugees, to imagine wntt— grandson of refugees, to imagine wntt tt-e— grandson of refugees, to imagine wntt tt-e ttve— grandson of refugees, to imagine what it's like to— grandson of refugees, to imagine what it's like to be— grandson of refugees, to imagine what it's like to be kicked out of what it's like to be kicked out ot your— what it's like to be kicked out ot your to— what it's like to be kicked out of your to house _ what it's like to be kicked out of your to house be kicked out of your to house be kicked out ot your— of your to house be kicked out or your country,— of your to house be kicked out of your country,.so- of your to house be kicked out of your country, so to blame of your country, to so to blame tneee— of your country, to so to blame these—leaving.- these people for leaving. we ton-t— these people for leaving. we ton-t-tney-re- these people for leaving. we don't they're individual don't know they're individual circumstances.— don't know they're individual circumstances. their wife may ntve—rtni circumstances. their wife may. ntve—utn. we have been saved safe in iran. we etnpty— have been saved safe in iran. we etnpty ton-t— have been saved safe in iran. we simply don't know. _ have been saved safe in iran. we simply don't know. it's really ttttteutt— simply don't know. it's really difficult to _ simply don't know. it's really difficult to judge. that's about enpttny. — empathy. and then finally, i iuet— empathy. and then finally, i net—tntt- empathy. and then finally, ii iuet—tntt tney just think this idea that they enoutt— just think this idea that they should-france,- just think this idea that they should france, it is should stick in france, it is under— should stick in france, it is under international law. it is it under international law. it is ttlnot— under international law. it is ttlnot t— under international law. it is ttlnot t tegtt— under international law. it is it not a legal requirement to it is not a legal requirement to eeet— it is not a legal requirement to eeet retuge— it is not a legal requirement to seek refuge .the _ it is not a legal requirement to seek refuge the first safe seek refuge in the first safe country— seek refuge in the first safe. country—tne. country reached by your life. tner— country reached by your life. then you— country reached by your life. then you get— country reached by your life. then you get to— country reached by your life. then you get to where- country reached by your life. then you get to where you're safe. and support safe. yes. and i would support you safe. then when you you being safe. then when you sit then going , sit there and then start going, oh, actually, no, that's better. actually no, i prefer that one. then where you lose me. then that's where you lose me. do think not think do you think do you not think tntt— do you think do you not think tntt we— do you think do you not think that we we're _ do you think do you not think that we we're a— do you think do you not think that we we're a bit further away tron— that we we're a bit further away tron ntn— that we we're a bit further away from iran than— that we we're a bit further away from iran than france? we're a bit from iran than france? we're a ttt-twty— from iran than france? we're a ttt-twty tron- from iran than france? we're a. bit-away from _than bit further away from syria than ntne— bit further away from syria than trtnte-oo — bit further away from syria than trtnte-oo you- bit further away from syria than france do you think france and italy. do you think tntt— france and italy. do you think tntt onty— france and italy. do you think tntt onty-onty- france and italy. do you think that only only france? that only italy? only france? ony— that only italy? only france? onty eerntny— that only italy? only france? only germany, or perhaps only ereeeet— greece? because they're really very—tntt- greece? because they're really very—tntt tnoeei very close to syria, that those ounttee— very close to syria, that those countries - should - very close to syria, that those countries should take

countries should should take all of countries should should take all ot—wo— countries should should take all ot—wo, we- countries should should take all of_no, we have. countries should should take all of_no, we have to of the refugees? no, we have to eprett— of the refugees? no, we have to eprettlout. — of the refugees? no, we have to eprettlout. rte— of the refugees? no, we have to spread out. it's about our spread it out. it's about our international— spread it out. it's about our international response abilities,— international response abilities, michel. r:rtr“ c abilities, michel. i don't rettty— abilities, michel. i don't really about the responses really care about the responses of places like italy. i care about responses of the uk. about the responses of the uk. i suspect guys will have suspect that you guys will have an on that topic. an opinion on that topic. i might too, but and daniel might as i know i on to a as well. i know i got on to a rant. sorry, daniel. when i come back, you respond. i back, i'll let you respond. i don't think i'm blaming you, ntenet. — don't think i'm blaming you, ntenet. vou— don't think i'm blaming you, michel. you -very,- don't think i'm blaming you, michel. you very, very michel. you were very, very tner— michel. you were very, very trtet tn— michel. you were very, very brief in what— michel. you were very, very brief in what said. rt; brief in what you said. he's pttytng— brief in what you said. he's playing- sayr— brief in what you said. he's playing- sayr i11— brief in what you said. he's playing. say, i'll let him have a comeback one, a little comeback on that one, shall i? when i get back. but also, i want to ask you about animal rising. do support animal rising. do you support them? their cause them? their methods, their cause or because i'm on or not? help me because i'm on the fence with it. i don't know where i

news. channel on mark dolan tonight in mitake. at ten, i'll be tetttng— tonight in mitake. at ten, i'll be dealing with— tonight in mitake. at ten, i'll be dealing with phillip- be dealing with phillip schofield,— be dealing with phillip schofield, who is today playing the schofield, who is today playing tne wetn— schofield, who is today playing the victim in— schofield, who is today playing the victim in a— schofield, who is today playing the victim in a tell all tntervtev— the victim in a tell all interview with the sun newspaper . vou— interview with the sun newspaper . you wont— interview with the sun newspaper . you won't want— interview with the sun newspaper . you won't want to— interview with the sun newspaper . you won't want to miss my retetton— . you won't want to miss my retttton .— . you won't want to miss my reaction . plus,— . you won't want to miss my reaction . plus, i'll be joined reaction. plus, i'll be joined ttve— reaction. plus, i'll be joined ttve ty— reaction. plus, i'll be joined ttve try rv— reaction. plus, i'll be joined live by tv star— reaction. plus, i'll be joined live by tv star kim woodburn on live by tv star kiln woodburn on the live by tv star kim woodburn on the schofield—

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get a chance to your get a chance to get your response migrant response on that migrant hotel, mainly , i mainly because, as i was ranting, you were ranting , it's ranting, you were ranting, it's your go. i'll just be very your turn. go. i'll just be very quick. what you're describing is rtgtt— quick. what you're describing is ngnt. wnen— quick. what you're describing is right. when the— r: t.

it's going back to their own country. we t— going back to their own country. we t vtevv— going back to their own country. it's a view with— going back to their own country. it's a view with a— going back to their own country. it's a view with a view to perntnent— it's a view with a view to permanent settlement in their teettnttton— permanent settlement in their destination country. this is so far destination country. this is so ttr twty— destination country. this is so ttr twty tron — destination country. this is so far away from the— destination country. this is so far away from the refugee convention _ far away from the refugee convention we're perfectly convention that we're perfectly enttttet — convention that we're perfectly entitled _about- convention that we're perfectly entitled about what our entitled to think about what our otttgtttone— entitled to think about what our obligations are.— entitled to think about what our obligations are. international otttgtttone— obligations are. international obligations are.— obligations are. international obligations are. and there the answer is. matthew yeah, geography— answer is. matthew yeah, geography does matter here. the fact geography does matter here. the ttet tntt— geography does matter here. the ttet tntt we— geography does matter here. the fact that we are _ geography does matter here. the fact that we are an— geography does matter here. the fact that we are an island does mean we a different mean we have a different etptetty— mean we have a different etptetty tor— mean we have a different capacity for a— mean we have a different capacity for a different response . we can share and response. we can share and euppon— response. we can share and support pewte— response. we can share and support people in other ways by euppontng— support people in other ways by summing-camps- support people in other ways by supporting camps , but we supporting them in camps, but we do supporting them in camps, but we to not— supporting them in camps, but we to not ntve— supporting them in camps, but we to not ntve to— supporting them in camps, but we do not have to take— supporting them in camps, but we do not have to take people to tree— do not have to take people to greece-twe- do not have to take people to greece-take all- do not have to take people to greece take all the time. greece should take all the time. were— greece should take all the time. we-re-wnote— greece should take all the time. we're-whole all- greece should take all the time. we're whole all the we're told the whole all the retugeee— we're told the whole all the retugeee on — we're told the whole all the refugees on let— we're told the whole all the refugees on let have his refugees on let him have his remainers. we're— refugees on let him have his remainers. we're told the whole refugees on let him have his remawe're we're told the whole refugees on let him have his remawe're remainers. the whole refugees on let him have his remawe're remainers. you whole refugees on let him have his remawe're remainers. you can.e time we're remainers. you can onty— time we're remainers. you can onty trtte— time we're remainers. you can onty trtte wttn— time we're remainers. you can only trade with europe because of geography- _is- only trade with europe because of geography. is the of geography. geography is the trtp. — of geography. geography is the trtp. _te— of geography. geography is the trtp. _te you- of geography. geography is the trap. is, you know, trap. geography is, you know, tney-re— trap. geography is, you know, tney-re-toor— trap. geography is, you know, they're-door and- trap. geography is, you know, they're door and you've got they're next door and you've got to trtte— they're next door and you've got to trtte wttn— they're next door and you've got to trade with them.— they're next door and you've got to trade with them. the to trade with them. but the moment— to trade with them. but the moment-yeah,- to trade with them. but the- moment-yeah, geography moment you say, yeah, geography tteo— moment you say, yeah, geography gto—,_ moment you say, yeah, geography tteo—, trte— moment you say, yeah, geography also_, likelhas- also has benefits, like it has tenettte— also has benefits, like it has benefits—being. also has benefits, like it has. benefits—being they benefits for poland being they ntve — benefits for poland being they ntve ptue— benefits for poland being they ntve ptue tnt— benefits for poland being they have plus and minus of geography in have plus and minus of geography tn rottnt— have plus and minus of geography in poland would— have plus and minus of geography in poland would you be happy if nee— in poland would you be happy if he's different?— in poland would you be happy if he's different? are— in poland would you be happy if he's different? are you happy if tneee— he's different? are you happy if tneee teytun — he's different? are you happy if these asylum seekers ended up eteeptng— sleeping rough on your street? i sleeping rough on your street? r—prottttyl i would imagine you probably wouldn't be. we have a there's a gueetton— wouldn't be. we have a there's a gueetton ttout— wouldn't be. we have a there's a question about whether- : t“ c we have a there's a question about whether anybody enoutt — question about whether anybody enoutt te — question about whether anybody enoutt txe-to— question about whether anybody should be to sleep rough should be allowed to sleep rough on—tnte—

on the streets. this is an optton— on the streets. this is an optton tor— on the streets. this is an option for them. on the streets. this is an. option for them.-why option for them. this is why rte—tne- option for them. this is why it's—the home. it's difficult for the home onree.— it's difficult for the home office-choose. it's difficult for the homei office.-choose to it's difficult for the home- office.-choose to sleep office. they can choose to sleep trout— office. they can choose to sleep ttout tetttng— office. they can choose to sleep about letting them— office. they can choose to sleep about letting them work. ureter.— about letting them work. wttnet. tt— about letting them work. michel, at what- about letting them work. michel, at what point- about letting them work. michel, at what point nobody can afford it. it needs to be very, michel, at what point nobody can afforquickt needs to be very, michel, at what point nobody can afforquick question. be very, michel, at what point nobody can afforquick question. howery, michel, at what point nobody can afforquick question. how about, very quick question. how about, as some other countries have very quick question. how about, as so after:her countries have very quick question. how about, as so after:hermonthsts have very quick question. how about, as so after:her months because done after six months because there's backlog , let them there's such a backlog, let them work. find their work. then they'll find their own accommodation, let them work, fill the work, help the economy, fill the jobs where they will concede a point of agreement with you actually, is that i do think actually, is that i do think actually this whole thing, if you shameful. from you ask me, is shameful. from top to bottom. yes we're- from top to bottom. yes we're seeing from top spillrttom. yes we're seeing from top spill outn. yes we're seeing from top spill out onto; we're seeing from top spill out onto the 're seeing from top spill out onto the streets ng the spill out onto the streets tnt— the spill out onto the streets tnt peopte — the spill out onto the streets tnt peopte etn— the spill out onto the streets and people can get upset and all the and people can get upset and all tne-ot— and people can get upset and all tne-or tt— and people can get upset and all tne-or tt ty— and people can get upset and all the-of it by that.— and people can get upset and all the of it by that. but the rest of it by that. but tttuttty— the rest of it by that. but actually,-very- the rest of it by that. but actually, very fact that one actually, the very fact that one of actually, the very fact that one ot—te— actually, the very fact that one ot—telwte- of these fellas, as he was etytng, — of these fellas, as he was etytng, ne-e— of these fellas, as he was saying, he's been for here two yetre— saying, he's been for here two yetre-gete— saying, he's been for here two years-getslthink- saying, he's been for here two years gets think he's years and he gets i think he's at years and he gets i think he's tt—wnttever- years and he gets i think he's at_whatever it. years and he gets i think he's. at_whatever it was at £8 a week or whatever it was tnt— at £8 a week or whatever it was tntlte— at £8 a week or whatever it was andlis ludicrous.— at £8 a week or whatever it was andlis ludicrous. i— at £8 a week or whatever it was and is ludicrous. i mean, and it is ludicrous. i mean, wntt— and it is ludicrous. i mean, wntt te— and it is ludicrous. i mean, wntt te gong— and it is ludicrous. i mean, what is going on? why are we ttttng— what is going on? why are we ttttnglto— what is going on? why are we ttttnglto tong— what is going on? why are we taking to long make these taking so to long make these teetetone— taking so to long make these decisions-point,- decisions to matt's point, if tney-re— decisions to matt's point, if tney-re-get- decisions to matt's point, if they're-get this. decisions to matt's point, if. they're-get this claim they're going to get this claim tnt— they're going to get this claim tnt we— they're going to get this claim and we can debate whether or not tney— and we can debate whether or not they—contribute - and we can debate whether or not they—contribute to . they should then contribute to they should then contribute to tne—tot the economy, i'll leave you to tettte— the economy, i'll leave you to tettte tntt— the economy, i'll leave you to debate that-your- the economy, i'll leave you to debate that your minds. debate that in your own minds. wow— debate that in your own minds. wow-tntntte- debate that in your own minds. now animals, shall now let's talk animals, shall wet— now let's talk animals, shall wet-to— now let's talk animals, shall wet-to tne— now let's talk animals, shall we?-to the chase,- now let's talk animals, shall we? to the chase, your we? cut to the chase, your antntt— we? cut to the chase, your animal rising— we? cut to the chase, your animal rising you who animal rising you know who these guys— animal rising you know who these guye—tttt— animal rising you know who these guye—tttt tntt- guys are. there's talk that tner— guys are. there's talk that their potentially going to tterupt—

their potentially going to disrupt epsom derby. disrupt the epsom derby. uh, ntntte,— disrupt the epsom derby. uh, danielle,-to- disrupt the epsom derby. uh, danielle,-to the- disrupt the epsom derby. uh, danielle, to the chase danielle, i'll cut to the chase wttn— danielle, i'll cut to the chase wttn-on— danielle, i'll cut to the chase with .on this. _ danielle, i'll cut to the chase with .on this. .a - danielle, i'll cut to the chase with on this. a little with you on this. i'm a little bit with you on this. i'm a little trt-tente— with you on this. i'm a little bit-fence. since- with you on this. i'm a little bit fence. since i've bit on the fence. since i've teoe— bit on the fence. since i've teeone-r-ve- bit on the fence. since i've. become-i've become bit on the fence. since i've- become-i've become a bit become a mum, i've become a bit eott— become a mum, i've become a bit eott-tonee— become a mum, i've become a bit eott-tonee to— become a mum, i've become a bit eott-tonee to t- become a mum, i've become a bit soft-comes to a lot- become a mum, i've become a bit soft-comes to a lot of- soft when it comes to a lot of tttnge— soft when it comes to a lot of tttnge. r-ve— soft when it comes to a lot of things. i've noticed that tntntte— things. i've noticed thati animals-there's animals are have there's eonetntng— animals are have there's eonetntng r— animals are have there's something i you know, i am a nett— something i you know, i am a nett ete— something i you know, i am a nett ete r— something i you know, i am a meat eater. i was— something i you know, i am a meat eater. i was always never i trtn-t— meat eater. i was always never i trtn-t ntnt— meat eater. i was always never i trtn-t ntnt. r— meat eater. i was always never i didn't mind. i would eat meat. snee— didn't mind. i would eat meat. since becoming— didn't mind. i would eat meat. since becoming a— didn't mind. i would eat meat. since becoming a mum i do start tntnttng— since becoming a mum i do start tntnttng ttout— since becoming a mum i do start thinking about cruelty this thinking about cruelty and this and thinking about cruelty and this tnt—ton-t- thinking about cruelty and this and—don't know- thinking about cruelty and this. and—don't know where thinking about cruelty and this. a sit—don't know where thinking about cruelty and this a sit with don't know where thinking about cruelty and this asit with this. don't know where thinking about cruelty and this asit with this. where know where thinking about cruelty and this asit with this. where are tw where thinking about cruelty and this asit with this. where are you here i sit with this. where are you on-noreee— i sit with this. where are you on-horses are- i sit with this. where are you on-horses are athletes.�* on it? horses are athletes. these horses athletes. these horses are athletes. i used to. i used to believe it or not. i used to ride horses. not never horses . and this is never race horses. and this is what horse is like doing. and these. these particular horses, race horses, they're trained for this. it's what they insofar as they can express desire, it's what they're trained to do . now, what they're trained to do. now, sometimes, like any athlete , you sometimes, like any athlete, you find that physically it is too punishing . find that physically it is too punishing. but the find that physically it is too punishing . but the fact is, if punishing. but the fact is, if you didn't have these horses racing, they would all be in pickles. but racing, they would all be in pickles . but what they're saying pickles. but what they're saying is pickles. but what they're saying te trotter— pickles. but what they're saying is broader than— pickles. but what they're saying is broader than this,— t but what they're saying is broader than this, they're not— is broader than this, they're not tner— is broader than this, they're not their issue _ is broader than this, they're not their issue isn't just with racehorses. broader. what racehorses. it is broader. what

tney-re— racehorses. it is broader. what tney-re-te— racehorses. it is broader. what tney-re-te tne- they're saying is the relationship that we've got tetween— relationship that we've got. between—animal, between human and animal, tney-re— between human and animal, tney-re etytng— between human and animal, they're saying that the balance has they're saying that the balance nte gone— they're saying that the balance nte gone too— they're saying that the balance has gone too far— they're saying that the balance has gone too far .— they're saying that the balance has gone too far . wages kind of has gone too far. wages kind of tetttng— has gone too far. wages kind of tretttng tnen— has gone too far. wages kind of treating them as— has gone too far. wages kind of treating them as this kind of, you— treating them as this kind of, you know,— treating them as this kind of, you know, food— treating them as this kind of, you know, food supplier. we're not tttng— you know, food supplier. we're not caring about— you know, food supplier. we're not caring about them. we're not reepetttng— not caring about them. we're not respecting animals.— not caring about them. we're not respecting animals. and that's vnere— respecting animals. and that's wnen-nnt— respecting animals. and that's where kind they're where the kind of they're tapping— where the kind of they're tapping into— where the kind of they're tapping into me a little bit. i ton-t— tapping into me a little bit. i ton-t know— tapping into me a little bit. i don't know what's happening to —eott. - don't know what's happening to —eott. our| me. i'm going a bit soft. our response-tte— me. i'm going a bit soft. our response the response of response or the response of a lot of us to animals is very peculiar and hugely contradictory. not, of course, if but if you're if you're a vegan, but if you're like and you dogs. i like me and you have dogs. i have wife have dogs because my wife had dogs i met her. and so i dogs when i met her. and so i wasn't a dog lover. now i'm a dog lover. you love your dogs, right? absolutely adore you do a huge them and you huge amount for them and you do. your you have your life changes when you have dogs. but then i eat meat, right? find it quite hard right? and i find it quite hard to justify that i eat to justify the fact that i eat meat. and in fact, i went vegetarian life for vegetarian twice in my life for two once two nine month periods. once because in the back yard, my parents had a little place in wales, was wales, the backyard. there was a slaughter in the old days slaughter house in the old days and i saw a pig being slaughtered. and i think you and i saw a pig being slalahtered. and i think you and i saw a pig being slala pigad. and i think you and i saw a pig being slala pig beingd i think you and i saw a pig being slala pig being slaughtered ou and i saw a pig being slala pig being slaughtered ,u see a pig being slaughtered, most of the people watching

today would probably turn vegetarian while. i vegetarian for a while. i remember going to morocco vegetarian for a while. i- remember going to morocco and tong— remember going to morocco and totngleootery— remember going to morocco and doing cookery class and i was doing a cookery class and i was toottng— doing a cookery class and i was toottng-ttgtne- doing a cookery class and i was cooking tagine and cooking a chicken tagine and tney— cooking a chicken tagine and tney-to— cooking a chicken tagine and tney-to tne- cooking a chicken tagine and they to the market, took they took me to the market, took me to— they took me to the market, took me to tnte— they took me to the market, took me to tie pen— they took me to the market, took me to this pen with— they took me to the market, took me to this pen with in they took me to the market, took mand this pen with in they took me to the market, took mand said,)en with in they took me to the market, took mand said,)en witwhich in they took me to the market, took m and said,)en witwhich do it and said, right, which one do you— it and said, right, which one do you-te— it and said, right, which one do you was absolutely you want? i was absolutely nonmet— you want? i was absolutely mortified-they- you want? i was absolutely mortified. they pick one and mortified. and they pick one and tney— mortified. and they pick one and tney trote— mortified. and they pick one and tney trote tte— mortified. and they pick one and they broke its _front- mortified. and they pick one and they broke its front of they broke its neck in front of r— they broke its neck in front of r ton-t— they broke its neck in front of me. i don't think— they broke its neck in front of me. i don't think i've ever got over-tett— me. i don't think i've ever got over-tett you- over it. i could tell you tnywty. — over it. i could tell you tnywty. _to- over it. i could tell you anyway. do you make over it. i could tell you- anyway. _do you make to it? anyway. what do you make to it? all anyway. what do you make to it? art—rl anyway. what do you make to it?i art—r tn all help me decide. because i am on-tente— all help me decide. because i am on-tente wttn— all help me decide. because i am on-fence with a— all help me decide. because i am on fence with a little bit. on the fence with a little bit. an — on the fence with a little bit. an r— on the fence with a little bit. an r gong— on the fence with a little bit. am i going soft— on the fence with a little bit. am i going soft or sensible or wntt?— am i going soft or sensible or wntt—vou- am i going soft or sensible or. what?_you-me. what? i don't know. you tell me. ount— what? i don't know. you tell me. aunt—r— what? i don't know. you tell me. outtt—r tone- what? i don't know. you tell me. quick—i come backi quick break. when i come back tron— quick break. when i come back tron tne— quick break. when i come back from the break,— quick break. when i come back from the break, i— quick break. when i come back from the break, i want to touch upon— from the break, i want to touch uponltopte— from the break, i want to touch uponltopte tntt— from the break, i want to touch uponltopic that i— from the break, i want to touch upon topic that i haven't upon a topic that i haven't yet rettty— upon a topic that i haven't yet retry-.— upon a topic that i haven't yet rettty- tnttttp- upon a topic that i haven't yet really . phillip schofield. really done. phillip schofield. i'm really done. phillip schofield. r-n _tor— really done. phillip schofield. i'm _for witch - really done. phillip schofield. i'm for witch hunts. i i'm not one for witch hunts. i nuet—tnere- i'm not one for witch hunts. i- must—there-been must confess, but there has been a must confess, but there has been t tevetopnent— must confess, but there has been a development story , so a development in this story, so it's a development in this story, so tt-e nnt— a development in this story, so tt-e ttnt ot— a development in this story, so tt-e ttnt ot ny— a development in this story, so it's kind of my job— a development in this story, so it's kind of my job to pick up on-to— it's kind of my job to pick up on-to you- it's kind of my job to pick up on-do you make- it's kind of my job to pick upi on-do you make-it on it. what do you make to it ttn— on it. what do you make to it ttn wett— on it. what do you make to it all? we'll-into— on it. what do you make to it all? we'll into that and all? we'll get into that and

break hello i break- hello there. ltrett— hello there. welcome back leew— hello there. welcome back to tewteo— hello there. welcome back to tewteo co.— hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. with— hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me , michelle dewbs& co. with me, michelle tewterry— dewbs& co. with me, michelle tewterry trew— dewbs& co. with me, michelle dewberry drew brees. heaven is open— dewberry drew brees. heaven is open .— dewberry drew brees. heaven is open , so— dewberry drew brees. heaven is

open , so teete— dewberry drew brees. heaven is open , so cheers, gents, because open, so cheers, gents, because wnttet— open, so cheers, gents, because wnttet we— open, so cheers, gents, because wnttet we to— open, so cheers, gents, because whilst we do robustly debate, we tteo— whilst we do robustly debate, we tteo to— whilst we do robustly debate, we tteo to tt— whilst we do robustly debate, we also do it respectfully . i would also do it respectfully. i would nope,— also do it respectfully. i would nope, even— also do it respectfully. i would hope, even though lord moylan in the hope, even though lord moylan in tne trett— hope, even though lord moylan in the break spends— hope, even though lord moylan in the break spends his time tetttng— the break spends his time retttng out— the break spends his time reading out messages that people are reading out messages that people eenttng— reading out messages that people are sending matthew saying are sending about matthew saying that are sending about matthew saying tntt—ton-t— are sending about matthew saying that—don't like- that they basically don't like him:— that they basically don't like ttn—goee- that they basically don't like. ttn—goee-tne him, that's what goes on in the trett— him, that's what goes on in the tett-you— him, that's what goes on in the break,-you know.- him, that's what goes on in the break, you know. anyway break, just so you know. anyway am break, just so you know. anyway an r— break, just so you know. anyway am i bothered?— break, just so you know. anyway am i bothered? yeah,— break, just so you know. anyway am i bothered? yeah, i'm- am i bothered? yeah, i'm a bothered. vicky what's the name? vttty— bothered. vicky what's the name? vicky pollard. linda says i have a beautiful greyhound who i rescued from the racing industry. nerves, industry. she's a bag of nerves, scared she says scared of humans, but she says she's improving every day with love racing. any animals is wrong. daphne says everyone should be ashamed at the way humans treat animals. we are a cruel race, but lots of you kind of having that view, jim says. i do eat meat and as long as i think they are treated reasonably , i'm happy to eat reasonably, i'm happy to eat them . you said it slightly them. you said it slightly differently, but you get the gist right? phillip schofield a regular viewers will know i don't really get into this topic. it's dominated the headlines, doesn't it? but not really because i don't really for me because as i don't really for me because as i don't really like of , you know, really like kind of, you know, when things into witch when things turn into witch hunts. i do have hunts. but, you know, i do have to discuss what is going on and

you will have seen the development in this story because last night phillip schofield came out two schofield came out and did two interviews, one for the and interviews, one for the sun and one the bbc . i was listening one for the bbc. i was listening to the one morning and to the bbc one this morning and he was basically in a mess. let's have a listen. and so how much do you want a man to take? and are you truly only happy wnen— and are you truly only happy wnen ne-e— and are you truly only happy when he's dead— and are you truly only happy when he's dead ? grtr when he's dead? i say, that got me. when he's dead? i say, that got ttt— when he's dead? i say, that got trt ttt— when he's dead? i say, that got me. did it? got— when he's dead? i say, that got me. did it? got me.- when he's dead? i say, that got me. did it? got me. it- when he's dead? grtr did it? got me. it hit me. me. did it? got me. it hit me. tnere— me. did it? got me. it hit me. tnere ant— me. did it? got me. it hit me. tnere ant r— me. did it? got me. it hit me. there and i was— me. did it? got me. it hit me. there and i was i— did it? got me. it hit me. there and i was i was really teettng— there and i was i was really teettng rt.— there and i was i was really feeling it. and— there and i was i was really feeling it. and then i carried on ttetentng— feeling it. and then i carried on listening to— feeling it. and then i carried on listening to the interview. ant— on listening to the interview. ant tnen— on listening to the interview. and then this— on listening to the interview. and then this bit happened. if it and then this bit happened. if tt wte— and then this bit happened. if tt t— and then this bit happened. if it was a heterosexual relationship- it was a heterosexual relationship , then, you know, it relationship, then, you know, it woutt— relationship, then, you know, it woutt ntve— relationship, then, you know, it would have been— relationship, then, you know, it would have been a bit of nudge, nudge,— would have been a bit of nudge, nutge, inn,— would have been a bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. _ would have been a bit of nudge, nudge, wink, wink. �*" c gay nudge, wink, wink. if it's a gay relationship , then suddenly it relationship, then suddenly it raises eyebrows . it's wrong is raises eyebrows. it's wrong is predominantly kwasi homophobia . predominantly kwasi homophobia. no, no, no, no, no. you're lost vou— no, no, no, no, no. you're lost vou ttt— no, no, no, no, no. you're lost vou ntt ne— no, no, no, no, no. you're lost me. you had me, philip. you lost ny— me. you had me, philip. you lost tty reeue— me. you had me, philip. you lost me. my issue with— me. you had me, philip. you lost me. my issue with this because wntt— me. my issue with this because wntt tnttttp— me. my issue with this because what phillip schofield is ttettttty— what phillip schofield is basically saying that there's

teen— basically saying that there's teen t— basically saying that there's teen t nuge— basically saying that there's been a huge pile on. no one can deny— been a huge pile on. no one can deny tntt— been a huge pile on. no one can deny tntt. rte— been a huge pile on. no one can deny that. it's not— been a huge pile on. no one can deny that. it's not waste our tne— deny that. it's not waste our time debating— deny that. it's not waste our time debating whether or not tnere-e— time debating whether or not tnere-e-on— time debating whether or not there's on because you there's a pile on because you know,— there's a pile on because you know—tut- there's a pile on because you know,_but he's. there's a pile on because you. know,_but he's now know, it's evident. but he's now etytng— know, it's evident. but he's now etytng-reeponee- know, it's evident. but he's now saying - response to - know, it's evident. but he's now saying response to this saying that the response to this te— saying that the response to this scenario is homophobic. and i rettty— scenario is homophobic. and i rettty-teeue— scenario is homophobic. and i really-issue with- scenario is homophobic. and i really issue with that. the really take issue with that. the ottenee— really take issue with that. the ottente, tne — really take issue with that. the offence, the response to a lot offence, the response to a lot ot tnte— offence, the response to a lot ot we re— offence, the response to a lot of this is because— offence, the response to a lot of this is because you've got a prontnent— of this is because you've got a prominent man— of this is because you've got a prominent man who for a living preeente— prominent man who for a living preeente tn— prominent man who for a living presents an image— prominent man who for a living presents an image of himself and tnterrogttee— presents an image of himself and interrogates other— presents an image of himself and interrogates other people and gete— interrogates other people and gete tnen — interrogates other people and gete ten to — interrogates other people and gets them to act— interrogates other people and gets them to act with truth and tntegrtty— gets them to act with truth and tntegrtty tnt— gets them to act with truth and integrity and decency simultaneously as a grown man, he simultaneously as a grown man, ne nte— simultaneously as a grown man, ne nte teoe— simultaneously as a grown man, he has become exposed to what tnen— he has become exposed to what tnen t— he has become exposed to what was then a young— he has become exposed to what was then a young teenage child rtgnt— was then a young teenage child rtgnt .— was then a young teenage child rtgnt . ant— was then a young teenage child ngnt . ant tney— was then a young teenage child right . and they have then right. and they have then tnere-e— right. and they have then tnere-e t— right. and they have then there's a huge— right. and they have then there's a huge power imbalance. life there's a huge power imbalance. trte nte— there's a huge power imbalance. trte nte nnt— there's a huge power imbalance. life has kind of— there's a huge power imbalance. life has kind of ticked on to tne— life has kind of ticked on to tne nont— life has kind of ticked on to the point where— life has kind of ticked on to the point where you've got neeetgtng— the point where you've got messaging connections , messaging connections, nentortng— messaging connections, mentoring, job offers and all the mentoring, job offers and all tne teet— mentoring, job offers and all tne reet ot— mentoring, job offers and all the rest of it,— mentoring, job offers and all the rest of it, and then sexual ttttvtty— the rest of it, and then sexual tettvtty te— the rest of it, and then sexual activity is occurred. yes, tney-re— activity is occurred. yes, they're both _ activity is occurred. yes, they're both adults . yes, it was they're both adults. yes, it was consensual. so _ they're both adults. yes, it was consensual. so what that for me is consensual. so what that for me te not— consensual. so what that for me te not tne— consensual. so what that for me is not the issue. _ consensual. so what that for me is not the issue. it's— consensual. so what that for me is not the issue. it's what i woutt— is not the issue. it's what i would perceive _ is not the issue. it's what i would perceive of to be grooming ttttvtty— would perceive of to be grooming tettvtty tntt— would perceive of to be grooming tettvtty tntt r— would perceive of to be grooming activity that i take— would perceive of to be grooming activity that i take issue with. ant— activity that i take issue with. ant tte— activity that i take issue with. ant tt-e not— activity that i take issue with. and it's not man— activity that i take issue with. and it's not man on man. it's powertut— and it's not man on man. it's powengp, ntn— and it's not man on man. it's powerful, man on— and it's not man on man. it's powerful, man on much younger tntt— powerful, man on much younger tntt r— powerful, man on much younger man that i have— powerful, man on much younger man that i have a— powerful, man on much younger man that i have a problem with.

trrtt— man that i have a problem with. nut-ttt— man that i have a problem with. ttretlttt. r— man that i have a problem with. first-all, i think— man that i have a problem with. first-all, i think good- man that i have a problem with. first-all, i think good for- first of all, i think good for you, michelle, for not going in for the witch hunt. secondly, i think we either care about this man's welfare was clearly man's welfare and he was clearly deeply distressed in this interview. mental health is interview. his mental health is obviously very, very, very, very low. but we either care about him or we don't. and if we care about him, it doesn't really matter whether you think he's right or wrong. the aggression towards him is tinged with homophobia. daniel towards him is tinged with homophobia . daniel i don't think homophobia. daniel i don't think we ntve— homophobia. daniel i don't think we ntve enougn— daniel i don't think we have enough evidence to be ttte— we have enough evidence to be ttte to— we have enough evidence to be ttte to ttte— we have enough evidence to be able to take a— we have enough evidence to be able to take a view on phillip tenottett— able to take a view on phillip schofield be— able to take a view on phillip schofield be perfectly frank , it schofield be perfectly frank, it has schofield be perfectly frank, it nte to— schofield be perfectly frank, it nte to te— schofield be perfectly frank, it has to be possible for somebody to know— has to be possible for somebody to know t— has to be possible for somebody to know a teenager— has to be possible for somebody to know a teenager and help them wttnout— to know a teenager and help them wttnout tntt— to know a teenager and help them without that constituting groontng— without that constituting grooming thing. that has to be possible. that's his story. that's what he said happened. and a sexual relationship developed later. now everyone has jumped to the conclusion that it was all grooming, but we've only heard rumours about all of this. we haven't heard the other side the story. we the other side of the story. we haven't other people haven't heard what other people involved actually say. so

involved in it actually say. so i think you've got to listen to the presumption of the man. the presumption of innocence. i think the pylon innocence. and i think the pylon has disgraceful. has been pretty disgraceful. yeah, know, i've got a son, yeah, you know, i've got a son, tnougn— yeah, you know, i've got a son, tnougn tnt— yeah, you know, i've got a son, though, and assumption of guilt is though, and assumption of guilt te ny— though, and assumption of guilt te ny eone— though, and assumption of guilt te ny very— though, and assumption of guilt is my son's very young. but when he is my son's very young. but when ne teonee— is my son's very young. but when he becomeslbit_ is my son's very young. but when he becomeslbit of— is my son's very young. but when he becomeslbit of a— is my son's very young. but when he becomes bit of a teenager he becomes a bit of a teenager age,— he becomes a bit of a teenager tge, tt— he becomes a bit of a teenager tge, tt tnere— he becomes a bit of a teenager tge, tr tnere te— he becomes a bit of a teenager age, if there is a— he becomes a bit of a teenager age, if there is a grown man tonnetttng— age, if there is a grown man connecting with— age, if there is a grown man connecting with him on social netrt— connecting with him on social nettt tnt— connecting with him on social media and all— connecting with him on social media and all the rest of it, tnere— media and all the rest of it, there would— media and all the rest of it, there would be— media and all the rest of it, there would be hell. but his ptrente— there would be hell. but his parents didn't. _ there would be hell. but his parents didn't. "cl”tiil there would be hell. but his parents didn't. tr“rtt; : there would be hell. but his parents didn't. "cl”tiil : parents didn't. there would be. maybe his parents had a different view. i don't even know. could i just. could i just know. could ijust. could ijust say know. could ijust. could ijust ety tuet— know. could ijust. could ijust ety tuet euper— know. could ijust. could ijust say just super quick?- : could ijust say just super quick? because i very— say just super quick? because i very .— say just super quick? because i very , very— say just super quick? because i very , very-got- say just super quick? because i very , very-got t- say just super quick? because i very , very got a real very, very in i've got a real gutt— very, very in i've got a real quick question,— very, very in i've got a real. quick question,_to quick question, very quick to ten — quick question, very quick to ten _te- quick question, very quick to ask. _be super- quick question, very quick to. ask. _be super quick. ask. it has to be super quick. i think it's gone far— ask. it has to be super quick. i think it's gone far-far.- i think it's gone far too far. i tntnt— i think it's gone far too far. i tntnt tt— i think it's gone far too far. i tntnt tt te— i think it's gone far too far. i tntnt tt te t— i think it's gone far too far. i think it is a witch- i think it's gone far too far. i think it is a witch hunt. but i woutt— think it is a witch hunt. but i woutt treeg— think it is a witch hunt. but i would agree. but— think it is a witch hunt. but i would agree. but i would agree, ureter.— would agree. but i would agree, tttetet. r— would agree. but i would agree, michel. i would— would agree. but i would agree, michel. i would agree that he enoutt— michel. i would agree that he should-followed- michel. i would agree that he should followed this should not have followed this peon— should not have followed this pereon—tel person on twitter when he was a tntt— person on twitter when he was a ttttt- — person on twitter when he was a ttttt- toot.— person on twitter when he was a child.- good-got- person on twitter when he was aj child.- good-got there child. right good. we got there now very quickly at the beginning program, i beginning of this program, i showed you some images of coffins. like latest coffins. this is like a latest craze. can customise craze. now you can customise your i showed you your own coffin. i showed you i might back dyson might bring them back up. dyson hoover there is cigarette hoover boxes. there is cigarette cases , greggs sausage roll cases, greggs sausage roll wrappers. if you could choose a coffin quickly, what would you

choose? iwould. coffin quickly, what would you choose? i would. beautiful choose? i would. a beautiful type— choose? i would. a beautiful type ot— choose? i would. a beautiful type ot t— choose? i would. a beautiful type of a beautiful- t“ i would. a beautiful type of a beautiful wood and elm:— type of a beautiful wood and etrntn-— type of a beautiful wood and etrntn- etn. - type of a beautiful wood and elm, an elm. jr?“ type of a beautiful wood and. elm,-an elm. daniel. i elm, maybe an elm. daniel. i tntnt— elm, maybe an elm. daniel. i tntnt tte— elm, maybe an elm. daniel. i tntnt tt-e tuet— elm, maybe an elm. j?“ i think it's just another way of trtvttttetng— think it's just another way of trivialising and— think it's just another way of trivialising and failing to eontront— trivialising and failing to confront death. i think this is eertouety— confront death. i think this is seriously obviously, bad seriously sick. obviously, bad r— seriously sick. obviously, bad news. i shouldn't— seriously sick. obviously, bad news. i shouldn't be indulging. ttut— news. i shouldn't be indulging. rtut. rtut— news. i shouldn't be indulging. paul. paul says,— news. i shouldn't be indulging. paul. paul says, what's wrong? why— paul. paul says, what's wrong? wny tre— paul. paul says, what's wrong? wny you— paul. paul says, what's wrong? why are you mocking- paul. paul says, what's wrong? why are you mocking the- paul. paul says, what's wrong? why are you mocking the dyson coffin? michelle what's so strange about that? perhaps their vacuum. strange about that? perhaps theiiit. vacuum. strange about that? perhaps theiiit. i vacuum. strange about that? perhaps theiiit. i like vacuum. strange about that? perhaps theiiit. i like what vacuum. strange about that? perhaps theiiit. i like what you'acuum. strange about that? perhaps theiiit. i like what you didum. like it. i like what you did there. quite frankly, you can just bury me in a bottle of just bear bury me in a bottle of prosecco. need to prosecco. you don't even need to worry making it box that worry about making it a box that looks like one. shove me in looks like one. just shove me in a bottle of prosecco. i will be absolutely fine with it. i'm on a bottle of prosecco. i will be airoll.itely fine with it. i'm on a bottle of prosecco. i will be airoll. tardis? with it. i'm on a bottle of prosecco. i will be airoll. tardis coffin. t. i'm on a bottle of prosecco. i will be airoll. tardis coffin. then on a roll. tardis coffin. the health doctor health care was under doctor who. i'll leave you at that who. paul i'll leave you at that . i think you need to work on your jokes, . i think you need to work on yourjokes, my . i think you need to work on your jokes, my friend. . i think you need to work on yourjokes, my friend. look, that's all i've got time for. great show. thank you. have a great see you on great weekend. i'll see you on monday. hello and welcome to your— monday. hello and welcome to your-torettet— monday. hello and welcome to your-forecastll'm- your latest forecast. i'm marc wtteon. — your latest forecast. i'm marc wilson. _another- your latest forecast. i'm marc wilson. another dry week wilson. after another dry week tne — wilson. after another dry week across the country, that dry rtne— across the country, that dry fine weather— across the country, that dry fine weather looks to fine weather looks set to eonttnue— fine weather looks set to continue throughout this weekend.— continue throughout this weekend. sunshine continue throughout this weekend.-sunshine come, weekend. more sunshine to come, tttnougn—ttoutl although a little bit more cloud across some-areas- although a little bit more cloud across some areas at across some eastern areas at tnee— across some eastern areas at ttnee-tt— across some eastern areas at ttnee-tt tne- across some eastern areas at times at the pressure times we look at the pressure ptttern. — times we look at the pressure ptttern. tnen— times we look at the pressure pattern. then-see. times we look at the pressure pattern. then see why times we look at the pressure pattepressure see why times we look at the pressure

pattepressure centred see why high pressure centred just towtrte— high pressure centred just. towtrte—ut high pressure centred just- towards_uk and towards the north of the uk and tntt-e— towards the north of the uk and tntt-e-wnere— towards the north of the uk and that's-where it— towards the north of the uk and that's-where it has- towards the north of the uk and that's where it has been that's been where it has been for that's been where it has been tor nutn— that's been where it has been tor nutn ot— that's been where it has been for much of the— that's been where it has been for much of the working week. ant— for much of the working week. ant-tntt— for much of the working week. ant-tntt ntgn- for much of the working week.- and-that high-going and around that hiin we're going to and around that high we're going to—ttnee- and around that high we're going to—ttnee pueni to see some cloud at times push in to see some cloud at times push tn tron— to see some cloud at times push tn tron tne— to see some cloud at times push in from the-sea.- to see some cloud at times push in from the sea. that's in from the north sea. so that's why— in from the north sea. so that's vty—we- in from the north sea. so that's vty—we toutti why towards the east we could oetee— why towards the east we could sometimes-cloud- why towards the east we could sometimes cloud back why towards the east we could - sometimes-cloud back to sometimes see more cloud back to trttty—overntgnt- friday evening and overnight. tnen— friday evening and overnight. tnen-etn— friday evening and overnight. then-can see— friday evening and overnight. then-can see a- friday evening and overnight. then can see a generally dry then you can see a generally dry pteture— then you can see a generally dry prone—.- then you can see a generally dry ppg..e_, totel picture across the board, lots of picture across the board, lots. ot—etout of clear skies, a bit more cloud ttroee-eentrtt— of clear skies, a bit more cloud across central eastern across some central and eastern ptne— across some central and eastern ptne-z— across some central and eastern ptrte-z ntet- across some central and eastern ptrte-z ntet tnt- across some central and eastern parts 2 mist and fog parts with 1 or 2 mist and fog pttenee— parts with 1 or 2 mist and fog ptttnee te— parts with 1 or 2 mist and fog patches as well. _ parts with 1 or 2 mist and fog patches as well. but under those ttetr— patches as well. but under those etetr ettee— patches as well. but under those clear skies-again,- patches as well. but under those clear skies-again, it- patches as well. but under those clear skies again, it will clear skies once again, it will turn— clear skies once again, it will turn tttrty— clear skies once again, it will turn fairly temperatures turn fairly chilly. temperatures wttety— widely falling into single ttguree— widely falling into single figures spots figures and in some rural spots we figures and in some rural spots ee-ee— figures and in some rural spots we see temperatures we could see temperatures tttttng—to- we could see temperatures. falling _to freezing we could see temperatures frparticularly to freezing we could see temperatures frparticularly acrosso freezing we could see temperatures frparticularly across more zing , particularly across more nonnern— , particularly across more northern england. , particularly across more- northern-england. so northern parts of england. so were—try- northern parts of england. so were—try ettrt| northern parts of england. sol we're—dry start on we're going after a dry start on stturtty— we're going after a dry start on saturday morning,— we're going after a dry start on saturday morning, fine start saturday morning, a fine start to—sone- saturday morning, a fine start to_some cloud,| saturday morning, a fine start. to_some cloud, but to the weekend. some cloud, but tntt—tntnt- that will burn off, i think ettr— that will burn off, i think still some— that will burn off, i think still some cloud across the eoutnetet— still some cloud across the southeast throughout the day. but southeast throughout the day. i tut—eunentne southeast throughout the day. i bucome._sunshine southeast throughout the day. bucome. really sunshine southeast throughout the day. bucome. really fine sunshine southeast throughout the day. bucome. really fine afternoon to come. a really fine afternoon to come. a really fine afternoon to-ruet— to come. a really fine afternoon to _just-exceptions,| to come. just a few exceptions, tnougn— to come. just a few exceptions, tnougn-nonn- to come. just a few exceptions, though,-north of- though, the far north of stotttnt,— though, the far north of scotland, there'll bit though, the far north of- scotland, there'll-bit more scotland, there'll be a bit more ttout— scotland, there'll be a bit more ttout tnt— scotland, there'll be a bit more cloud and-times— scotland, there'll be a bit more. cloud and .times-just cloud and at times we could just see—more cloud- cloud and at times we could just see more cloud down see a little bit more cloud down tntt— see a little bit more cloud down tntt wont— see a little bit more cloud down that north sea— see a little bit more cloud down that north sea coast. but for ntet— that north sea coast. but for most areas-dry- that north sea coast. but for most areas dry and most areas it's fine. dry and warm-anything. most areas it's fine. dry and- warm-anything warmer warm as well, if anything warmer tttn— warm as well, if anything warmer tntnlwte— warm as well, if anything warmer than .wasifriday. _ warm as well, if anything warmer than was friday. highs than it was on friday. highs tnere— than it was on friday. highs tnere ot— than it was on friday. highs tnere ot 2t— than it was on friday. highs there of 21.23— than it was on friday. highs there of 21 23 degrees. still than it was on friday. highs tibit of 21 23 degrees. still than it was on friday. highs tibit more 23 degrees. still than it was on friday. highs tibit more of 23 degrees. still than it was on friday. highs tibit more of a3 degrees. still than it was on friday. highs tibit more of a breeze es. still than it was on friday. highs tibit more of a breeze towards a bit more of a breeze towards tne—te— a bit more of a breeze towards tne—te we- a bit more of a breeze towards the—as we head. the south. now as we head tnrougn— the south. now as we head tnrougn tne— the south. now as we head through the rest of saturday tntt— through the rest of saturday tnto-eventng—

through the rest of saturday into evening and overnight. into the evening and overnight. agttn—tnel again, it stays dry across the toner.— again, it stays dry across the board—skies.- again, it stays dry across the board._skies. 1. again, it stays dry across thei board._skies. 1 or board. lots of clear skies. 1 or 2 ntet— board. lots of clear skies. 1 or 2 ntet tnt— board. lots of clear skies. 1 or 2 ntet tnt tog— board. lots of clear skies. 1 or 2 mist and fog patches. once tgttn. — 2 mist and fog patches. once tgttn. tut— 2 mist and fog patches. once again. but then— 2 mist and fog patches. once again. but then through the ntgnt,— again. but then through the ntgnt-to- again. but then through the night,-to-more| night, we start to see more low ttout—tnel cloud spreading in from the wont— cloud spreading in from the tort set— cloud spreading in from the tort set to— cloud spreading in from the north sea to affect many central and north sea to affect many central tnt—tngttnti and eastern parts of england and into and eastern parts of england and tnto—ae- and eastern parts of england and tnto—ae wet. i into eastern scotland. as well. nae,— into eastern scotland. as well. here, temperatures be here, temperatures won't be gutte— quite so low, but further towtrte— quite so low, but further towards-west,- quite so low, but further- towards-west,-again, towards the west, once again, a tnttty— towards the west, once again, a onty-tone.— chilly night to come. temperatures widely falling into etngte—sunttyl single figures. as for sunday, tnen— single figures. as for sunday, tnen we— single figures. as for sunday, tnen we get— single figures. as for sunday, then we get off— single figures. as for sunday, then we get off to a cloudier ettrt— then we get off to a cloudier ettn toee— then we get off to a cloudier start across more— then we get off to a cloudier start across more central and etete— start across more central and eastern—thing- start across more central and eastern _thing on i eastern parts. first thing on sunny.— eastern parts. first thing on sunny-tron- eastern parts. first thing on sunday. from the eastern parts. first thing on- sunday. _from the word sunday. sunshine from the word go runner— sunday. sunshine from the word go further towards— sunday. sunshine from the word go further towards west. go further towards the west. but nutn — go further towards the west. but nutn-tntt— go further towards the west. but nutnltntt-tn- go further towards the west. but much .that-in-eastl much of that cloud in the east wtt— much of that cloud in the east wttt-tnt— much of that cloud in the east will-and break- much of that cloud in the east will and break away as will burn up and break away as we nett— will burn up and break away as we head through— will burn up and break away as we head through the day, leaving tnotner— we head through the day, leaving tnottptteee— we head through the day, leaving tnottptteee .— we head through the day, leaving anothplaces . still— we head through the day, leaving anothplaces . still a bit more most places. still a bit more ttout— most places. still a bit more cloud, though,— most places. still a bit more cloud, though, down that north set—teepl sea coast. and that will keep it ooetr— sea coast. and that will keep it tooter-te— sea coast. and that will keep it cooler-as-into- sea coast. and that will keep it| cooler-as-into the cooler here as we head into the etrty— cooler here as we head into the etrty-ot— cooler here as we head into the etrty-ot next— cooler here as we head into the early-of next week. - cooler here as we head into the early of next week. staying early part of next week. staying rtne— early part of next week. staying rtne-tote— early part of next week. staying fine-lots more- early part of next week. staying fine lots more sunshine fine and dry. lots more sunshine to-tgttn— fine and dry. lots more sunshine to-again, feeling- to come and again, feeling ptetetntty— to come and again, feeling pleasantly warm you're in pleasantly warm if you're in tntt— pleasantly warm if you're in tntt-.—

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