away. good afternoon and welcome. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours , me and for the next few hours, me and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show all about opinion. it's show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs , and of mine, it's theirs, and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating discussing, debating, discussing, and at times disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today, i've got broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also broadcast from political commentator sam dowler . in a few moments time , i'll be . in a few moments time, i'll be mucking the week with comedian francis foster. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . good latest news headlines. good afternoon. it's coming- good afternoon. it's coming up to 3:01.— afternoon. it's coming up to 3:01. rm— afternoon. it's coming up to 3:01. .-m ray— afternoon. it's coming up to 3:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. now,— 3:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. now, the prime minister,— newsroom. now, the prime minister, rishi_ newsroom. now, the prime minister, rishi sunak has offered— minister, rishi sunak has offered his— minister, rishi sunak has offered his condolences to the families—

offered his condolences to the families of— offered his condolences to the families of those— offered his condolences to the families of those killed in india— families of those killed in india following a train crash where— india following a train crash where ee— india following a train crash where at least— india following a train crash where at least 288 people died and— where at least 288 people died and eso— where at least 288 people died and see wee— where at least 288 people died and 850 were injured. the death toll and 850 were injured. the death eeu makes— and 850 were injured. the death eeu makes it— and 850 were injured. the death toll makes it the— and 850 were injured. the death toll makes it the country's deadw— toll makes it the country's eeeew rew— toll makes it the country's deadly rail incident in more ween— deadly rail incident in more when we— deadly rail incident in more than two decades. as the army wee— than two decades. as the army has been— than two decades. as the army has been deployed to help evacuate the _ has been deployed to help evacuate the injured with an eeeweiwe— evacuate the injured with an extensive search _ evacuate the injured with an extensive search and rescue eperewew— extensive search and rescue operation ongoing . prime operation ongoing. prime minister— operation ongoing. prime minister narendra modi has visited— minister narendra modi has visited wee— minister narendra modi has visited the site— minister narendra modi has visited the site in odisha state phillip— visited the site in odisha state phillip schofield _ visited the site in odisha state phillip schofield says he fears being— phillip schofield says he fears ieiwg seei— phillip schofield says he fears ieiwg epei ew— phillip schofield says he fears being spat on in— phillip schofield says he fears being spat on in the street eiiei— being spat on in the street eiiei ii— being spat on in the street after it was— being spat on in the street after it was revealed that he'd hei— after it was revealed that he'd had an— after it was revealed that he'd had an affair— after it was revealed that he'd had an affair with— after it was revealed that he'd had an affair with a much younger— had an affair with a much younger colleague whilst weeewiiwe— younger colleague whilst presenting this morning in a new iwiewiew— presenting this morning in a new iwiewiew wiiii— presenting this morning in a new interview with the— presenting this morning in a new interview with the sun , he interview with the sun, he eimiiiei— interview with the sun, he admitted he's— interview with the sun, he admitted he's afraid to leave his house— admitted he's afraid to leave his house after— admitted he's afraid to leave his house after resigning from itv his house after resigning from iiv eni— his house after resigning from iiv and being— his house after resigning from itv and being dropped by his ieiewi— itv and being dropped by his ieiewi agency.— itv and being dropped by his talent agency. schofield says ie-e— talent agency. schofield says we geiiiwe— talent agency. schofield says we geiiiwg iw— talent agency. schofield says he's getting by hour by hour wiiii— he's getting by hour by hour wiiii ewppew— he's getting by hour by hour with support from his daughters and friends— with support from his daughters and friends .— with support from his daughters and friends . police have and friends. police have ieieiwei— and friends. police have detained two— and friends. police have detained two protesters at the ipeem — detained two protesters at the ipeem eeiiw— detained two protesters at the epsom derby after they attempted to epsom derby after they attempted ie we— epsom derby after they attempted ie ewe— epsom derby after they attempted ie ewie wie— epsom derby after they attempted to run onto the course. it ieiiewe— to run onto the course. it follows the _ to run onto the course. it follows the arrest of 19 people on suspicion— follows the arrest of 19 people on suspicion of— follows the arrest of 19 people on suspicion of conspiring rac

to on suspicion of conspiring rac ie commie— on suspicion of conspiring rac to commit public— on suspicion of conspiring rac to commit public nuisance eeiiiei— to commit public nuisance earlier animal— to commit public nuisance earlier animal rising threatened to earlier animal rising threatened ie eeweei— earlier animal rising threatened ie eeweei ei— earlier animal rising threatened to cancel or severely delay the herse— to cancel or severely delay the horse ieeiwe— to cancel or severely delay the horse racing event. however it wewi— horse racing event. however it wewi eieei— horse racing event. however it wewi eieei ee— horse racing event. however it went ahead as planned. they're eeeweiwg— went ahead as planned. they're accusing surrey— went ahead as planned. they're accusing surrey police of abusing— accusing surrey police of abusing their— accusing surrey police of abusing their powers. we'll wine— abusing their powers. we'll wiwg wee— abusing their powers. we'll bring more on— abusing their powers. we'll bring more on this story in just a mem— bring more on this story in just a moment . well,— bring more on this story in just a moment . well, rail passengers a moment. well, rail passengers are a moment. well, rail passengers experieweiwe— a moment. well, rail passengers are experiencing their third day of are experiencing their third day ei weie— are experiencing their third day of major disruption this week as weweiee— of major disruption this week as weweiee ei— of major disruption this week as members of the— of major disruption this week as members of the aslef union go on ewiwe. — members of the aslef union go on ewiwe. weiweie— members of the aslef union go on strike. workers across 15 train eeweweee— strike. workers across 15 train companies have— strike. workers across 15 train companies have walked out in an eweeiwe— companies have walked out in an eweeiwe eieewie— companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and eeweiiiewe— ongoing dispute over pay and eeweiiiewe .— ongoing dispute over pay and conditions . aslef, which conditions. aslef, which ieeieeewie— conditions. aslef, which represents 96% of train drivers, ii-e— represents 96% of train drivers, warn it's unlikely— represents 96% of train drivers, warn it's unlikely any services wiii— warn it's unlikely any services wiii ee— warn it's unlikely any services will be running— warn it's unlikely any services will be running ._ warn it's unlikely any services will be running . the disruption will be running. the disruption is eiieeiiwe— will be running. the disruption is affecting people attending the is affecting people attending iwe wi— is affecting people attending we we ewe— is affecting people attending the fa cup final— is affecting people attending the fa cup final at wembley and of the fa cup final at wembley and ei iwe — the fa cup final at wembley and of course the epsom derby ieeiiwei— of course the epsom derby ieeiiwei .— of course the epsom derby festival . diesel- of course the epsom derby festival . diesel prices fell by festival. diesel prices fell by a festival. diesel prices fell by e ieeeie— festival. diesel prices fell by e eeeie ei— festival. diesel prices fell by a record of almost £0.12 last wewiw. — a record of almost £0.12 last month. that's— a record of almost £0.12 last month. that's the- a record of almost £0.12 last month. that's the biggest drop for month. that's the biggest drop iei ever— month. that's the biggest drop iei ewe— month. that's the biggest drop for over two decades. the rac sewe— for over two decades. the rac ewe ewe— for over two decades. the rac says the average _ for over two decades. the rac says the average price of diesel wewi— says the average price of diesel wewi wew — says the average price of diesel went from 158.9 _ says the average price of diesel went from 158.9 pence to 147 in way. —

went from 158.9 pence to 147 in way. iwei-e— went from 158.9 pence to 147 in mav- were we— went from 158.9 pence to 147 in may. that's the seventh consecutive _ may. that's the seventh consecutive month in which uk pump— consecutive month in which uk pump eiieee— consecutive month in which uk pump eiieee wave— consecutive month in which uk pump prices have fallen and ieeweee— pump prices have fallen and reduced the— pump prices have fallen and reduced the cost— pump prices have fallen and reduced the cost of filling up a weieei— reduced the cost of filling up a weieei iewiiw— reduced the cost of filling up a typical family car— reduced the cost of filling up a typical family car by £6.50. iewei— typical family car by £6.50. petrol prices— typical family car by £6.50. petrol prices also fell by £0.03 ieei— petrol prices also fell by £0.03 ieei wewiw— petrol prices also fell by £0.03 ieei wewiw .— petrol prices also fell by £0.03 last month . scotland's first last month. scotland's first iiiwieiei— last month. scotland's first minister says— last month. scotland's first minister says there has never been— minister says there has never been e— minister says there has never been a more important time for the been a more important time for we eewwiw— been a more important time for we eewwiw ee— been a more important time for the country to become independent. humza yousaf claims that westminster— independent. humza yousaf claims that westminster is— independent. humza yousaf claims that westminster is failing to eweeew— that westminster is failing to support pimple— that westminster is failing to support people in scotland ewiwe— support people in scotland ewiwe ewe— support people in scotland during the cost— support people in scotland during the cost of living eweie— during the cost of living crisis. now— during the cost of living crisis. now he- during the cost of living crisis. now he says snp's would ewiie— crisis. now he says snp's would iwiie ew— crisis. now he says snp's would build an economy— crisis. now he says snp's would build an economy that puts wewiwe— build an economy that puts working families first. the wise— working families first. the first minister— working families first. the first minister is also accusing ieeew— first minister is also accusing ieeew ei— first minister is also accusing labour of sitting _ first minister is also accusing labour of sitting on their hands wwiie— labour of sitting on their hands wwiie ieiiee— labour of sitting on their hands while tories undermine the seeiiiew— while tories undermine the scottish government . president scottish government. president vieeiwii— scottish government. president vladimir zelenskyy says that iiweiwe— vladimir zelenskyy says that ukraine is— vladimir zelenskyy says that ukraine is ready— vladimir zelenskyy says that ukraine is ready to launch its counteroffensive _ ukraine is ready to launch its counteroffensive against russia. speaking— counteroffensive against russia. speaking ee— counteroffensive against russia. speaking ie we— counteroffensive against russia. speaking to the wall street iewwei— speaking to the wall street journali iii— speaking to the wall street journal, mr zelenskyy said he eeiiewee— journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes ukraine— journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes ukraine will succeed in ieeeeiwe— believes ukraine will succeed in recapture during— believes ukraine will succeed in recapture during russian eeeweiee— recapture during russian occupied territory , but he occupied territory, but he eeeew-i— occupied territory, but he doesn't know— occupied territory, but he doesn't know how long that will we. — doesn't know how long that will we. wiv— doesn't know how long that will take. kyiv previously said it needed— take. kyiv previously said it needed more— take. kyiv previously said it needed more western armoured wewieiee—

needed more western armoured vehicles before— needed more western armoured vehicles before the fightback eewie — vehicles before the fightback eewie eeeiw— vehicles before the fightback eewie eeeiw .— vehicles before the fightback could begin . russia currently could begin. russia currently weiee— could begin. russia currently holds swathes_ could begin. russia currently holds swathes of ukrainian iewiiew— holds swathes of ukrainian iewiiew iw— holds swathes of ukrainian territory in the— holds swathes of ukrainian territory in the east, south and eewiweeei— territory in the east, south and eewiweeei ei— territory in the east, south and southeast of the— territory in the east, south and southeast of the country . a uk southeast of the country. a uk iiewei— southeast of the country. a uk ticket holder— southeast of the country. a uk ticket holder won _ southeast of the country. a uk ticket holder won more than £110 wiiiiew— ticket holder won more than £110 wiiiiew iw— ticket holder won more than £110 million in last— ticket holder won more than £110 million in last night's euromillions jackpot. the wwwewee— euromillions jackpot. the unnamed winner is now richer iwew— unnamed winner is now richer than footballer— unnamed winner is now richer than footballer harry kane. aeiei— than footballer harry kane. actor daniel— than footballer harry kane. actor daniel radcliffe and singer— actor daniel radcliffe and singer ewe— actor daniel radcliffe and singer dua lipa. that's eeeeieiwe— singer dua lipa. that's according to- singer dua lipa. that's according to the sunday times ieiew— according to the sunday times ieiew iiei— according to the sunday times rich list players— according to the sunday times rich list players are being urged— rich list players are being urged ee— rich list players are being urged to check— rich list players are being urged to check if they could be the urged to check if they could be we iweww— urged to check if they could be the lucky winner— urged to check if they could be the lucky winner ._ urged to check if they could be the lucky winner . okay, this is the lucky winner. okay, this is gb the lucky winner. okay, this is we newe— the lucky winner. okay, this is gb news. we'll— the lucky winner. okay, this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it gb news. we'll bring you more as ii weeeewe— gb news. we'll bring you more as ii weeeewe wew— gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now let's get back to it happens. now let's get back ie newe— it happens. now let's get back ie wewe .— to nana. i so- to nana. so welcome to gb news on tv, onune so welcome to gb news on tv, online radio. online and on digital radio. it's to five it's just coming up to five minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua and it's time muck the akua and it's time to muck the week. now, of course, the covid inquiry is underway. a new dad ,

inquiry is underway. a new dad, bofis inquiry is underway. a new dad, boris johnson's, been jogging after baroness hallett requested his whatsapp messages from both his whatsapp messages from both his phones. interestingly boris is extremely willing in one of his phones was switched off , the his phones was switched off, the one with all the juicy bits of gossip due to a security breach. and boris seems more than ready to hand this over. despite the government's reluctance. i wonder what he's got on that phone. let's be honest here. bofis phone. let's be honest here. boris has nothing to lose. really. he's making a fortune in speeches. i'm hoping he writes a book soon. who needs politics.7 is this covid stuff just dragging on a bit .7 do you dragging on a bit.7 do you actually it's dragging on a bit? do you actually it's relevant for actually think it's relevant for an eyes still on an inquiry? eyes are still on philip's schofield as well. his crocodile yes i get that crocodile tears. yes i get that he terrible now. his he feels terrible now. his behaviour but behaviour has been outed, but people aren't turning on him because he's gay, which is what he suggested. it's because of his credit to him his behaviour. credit to him that he acknowledges he behaved badly , but it's nothing to badly, but it's got nothing to do with his sexuality. i actually think it would have been worse if it had been a young girl he'd had the affair with and as for itv, well,

they've lot to answer for, they've got a lot to answer for, really, can assure really, i can assure you, if i treated people badly here, i'd be out on my ear faster than you can say. jack robinson and the labour must loving all labour party must be loving all this distraction. but let's shine the spotlight on gareth davies, a labour mp who has been accused of multiple incidents of inappropriate behaviour towards junior female colleagues. five women said that he subjected them unwanted them to unwanted sexual attention, physical and attention, both physical and verbal, after coming into contact with him at work and some of the incidents allegedly contact with him at work and someplace e incidents allegedly contact with him at work and someplace in ncidents allegedly contact with him at work and someplace in the ents allegedly contact with him at work and someplace in the parliamentary took place in the parliamentary estate , sometimes in bars or estate, sometimes in bars or after late night votes. one of the women apparently targeted was just 19 years old, which obviously is legal, but it's quite young, isn't it? grant said that he didn't recognise the allegations, adding, if i had inadvertent caused offence to anyone then i'm naturally sorry. the labour party suspended him. but can you imagine if this were the tory party? on it like a party? they'd be on it like a rash. established media rash. the established media would field day. then of would have a field day. then of course , there's and course, there's harry and meghan. they said they've meghan. yes they said they've promised us that they now wish to behind the camera. so

to remain behind the camera. so no more, no more podcast hosts, no more, no more podcast hosts, no more, no more podcast hosts, no more interviews like the one they did with oprah. no more book deals, no more spare. spare us, for god's sake . they have us, for god's sake. they have promised that. sir, i don't think they can keep their promise. i mean, harry still got this business going on this litigious business going on on tuesday. all be on tuesday. we'll all be watching avidly. so he'll watching that avidly. so he'll be front of camera be back in front of the camera before finally, before we know it. and finally, sleepy has had another fall. sleepy joe has had another fall. who are we kidding? this man is ill. mean, he can't run. ill. i mean, he can't run. pardon the pun . another term . pardon the pun. another term. it's been a mucky old week . so it's been a mucky old week. so before we get stuck into the debate over the next hour, let me introduce you to my panel. joining me today, broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy, and broadcaster and political commentator dowler on the commentator sam dowler on the way, comedian frances foster will be joining me to discuss the new top stories this week from schofield , the from phillip schofield, the labour mp being suspended and the covid the fallout from the covid inquiry . then after the week

inquiry. then after the week i'll be taking on just stop oil, an animal rising as they aim to disrupt fa cup final, disrupt both the fa cup final, the epsom derby in climate control arrests have already control as arrests have already been made in the build up to these sporting events these two huge sporting events and we are seeing the rise of machines. yes we are. i'll be speaking to philip ingram about how ai stimulation stimulates an went very wrong and terminated its own operator. not really not in real life but it's a bit scary, isn't it? a bit like the terminator. you want terminator. you won't want to miss for political miss that. then for political spotlight, speaking spotlight, i'll be speaking to former first minister of northern ireland and now gb news presenter , presenter arlene foster, discussing her amazing political journey and career that's the journey and career that's on the way the next hour. as ever, way in the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think on everything discussing. tell me what you think on everjtuned discussing. tell me what you think on everjtuned d harrying. tell me what you think on everjtuned d harry and stay tuned for my harry and meghan monologue . you're meghan markle monologue. you're going that. and going to enjoy that. and we're going to enjoy that. and we're going discussing going to be discussing narcissism on. get in narcissism later on. get in touch. email gb views at gb news, .uk or tweet me at . gb news, .uk or tweet me at. gb news. so joining me now, it's time to mock the week with

comedian frances foster, france . welcome. nice to you. it's . welcome. nice to see you. it's always a pleasure here. always a pleasure to be here. nana week's been quite nana oh, this week's been quite eiweew—ii- nana oh, this week's been quite eeweew—ie hasl grubby, hasn't it really? it has . ii-e— grubby, hasn't it really? it has . ii-e-eweew- grubby, hasn't it really? it has . it's-grubby, but- grubby, hasn't it really? c it's grubby, but that's . it's always grubby, but that's why—we— . it's always grubby, but that's www—we iewe- . it's always grubby, but that's why—we love it- . it's always grubby, but that's. why—we love it now. why we're here. we love it now. eerie— why we're here. we love it now. eerie iewwsew— why we're here. we love it now. boris johnson, people— why we're here. we love it now. boris johnson, people -to. boris johnson, people seem to have forgotten that he's actually yes, actually just become a dad. yes, there's be quite a busy there's going to be quite a busy week and all week for him and mucky all week and meaning and very different meaning for that. think this that. but what do you think this covid inquiry, do you feel that we to sort going into we need to be sort of going into it we really need this it again? do we really need this inquiry ? well, really inquiry? well, i'm really ieewiwe— inquiry? well, i'm reallyi looking-boris's looking forward to boris's- messages—know, messages because, you know, iwew-ie— messages because, you know,| they're _ absolutely they're going to be absolutely iiiiiw— they're going to be absolutely iiiiiw ewe— they're going to be absolutely filthy and contain more x—rated eewiewi— filthy and contain more x—rated eewiewi iwew— filthy and contain more x—rated content than the _ filthy and contain more x—rated content than the entire contents of content than the entire contents ei ewe— content than the entire contents of the internet. _ content than the entire contents of the internet. so— content than the entire contents of the internet. so yeah, of course. how many how many kids eeee— course. how many how many kids eeee eerie— course. how many how many kids does boris have— course. how many how many kids does boris have now? i don't wwew. — does boris have now? i don't knew i— does boris have now? i don't knew i dew-i— does boris have now? i don't know. i don't think- does boris have now? i don't know. cizi" c know. i don't think he knows. no, course he doesn't. you no, of course he doesn't. you know, that's probably- xiii c you know, that's probably why he iiwee—eel know, that's probably why he. iiwee—ee wee liked why we liked him. do you knew— liked why we liked him. do you knew-i— liked why we liked him. do you know-i mean?— liked why we liked him. do you know-i mean? a- liked why we liked him. do you know i mean? a fertile man. know what i mean? a fertile man. iwei-e—ee— know what i mean? a fertile man. that's—as prime. that's what you want as prime iiiwieiew — that's what you want as prime minister? -because- that's what you want as prime- minister? -because.keeps that's what you want as prime- minheer? -because.keeps that's what you want as prime- min he keeps-becauseikeeps that's what you want as prime- min he keeps jogging. use-keeps that's what you want as prime- min he keeps jogging. he .keeps that's what you want as prime min m g fit. he keeps jogging. he keeps running. fit. he keeps jogging. he keeps runnikyrees. seriously? no, he's from kyrees. seriously? no, he's not. maybe some— from kyrees. seriously? no, he's not. maybe some of— from kyrees. seriously? no, he's not. maybe some of his- ”iq2;i2;~;: , no, he's not. maybe some of his other responsibilities,— not. maybe some of his other responsibilities, but not carry for responsibilities, but not carryi wee—iei for the moment. exactly. for now. we look at now. but i mean, if we look at it hasn't got it right, he hasn't really got that lose, has he? that much to lose, has he? because they stuff, because even if they find stuff, they want take down, it's

they want to take him down, it's quite obvious they've that quite obvious they've got that ridiculous still ridiculous kangaroo court still going which i think they going on, which i think they should but covid should just scrap. but the covid inquiry, to be inquiry, it's not going to be finished 2028, it ? we finished until 2028, is it? we it'll be lessons we learn and nothing will be learned. well, nothing will be learned. well, nothing is going to— nothing will be learned. well, nothing is going to be- g 22 : well, nothing is going to be learned wiiw— nothing is going to be learned wiiw-iwewiw— nothing is going to be learned with-inquiry that- nothing is going to be learned with inquiry that has ever with every inquiry that has ever happened— with every inquiry that has ever weeeewee-eeww- with every inquiry that has ever. happened-dawnltime. happened since the dawn of time. whee— happened since the dawn of time. whee-mew— happened since the dawn of time. what-main rule— happened since the dawn of time. what-main rule is— happened since the dawn of time. what main rule is it's going what the main rule is it's going to what the main rule is it's going ie—weeie- what the main rule is it's going ie—weeie ieweeil to take about 20 years longer iwew— to take about 20 years longer ewew-ie. — to take about 20 years longer ewew-ie. ii-e- to take about 20 years longer than to. it's going than it needs to. it's going to eeei— than it needs to. it's going to eeei-iwew— than it needs to. it's going to eeei-iwew ii- than it needs to. it's going to cost-than it needs. than it needs to. it's going to cost than it needs to. cost far more than it needs to. awe—ew— cost far more than it needs to. awe—ew-iiwel cost far more than it needs to.| and—by-time the and ultimately, by the time the ieewiie— and ultimately, by the time the ieewiie — and ultimately, by the time the results are released, nobody's going— results are released, nobody's eeiwe ee— results are released, nobody's going ie ewe— results are released, nobody's going to care. and that's the eiew— going to care. and that's the eiew .— going to care. and that's the eiew . weeeew— going to care. and that's the plan . nobody will care because plan. nobody will care because by 2028,— plan. nobody will care because by me iwew-ii— plan. nobody will care because by 2028, they'll all be off eeiwe— by 2028, they'll all be off doing something else. and in wee— doing something else. and in we, we— doing something else. and in fact, the country— doing something else. and in fact, the country will just be weiee-ii-e— fact, the country will just be worse.-it's going- fact, the country will just be worse. it's going to cost worse. and it's going to cost ewe— worse. and it's going to cost iwe ieeeewei— worse. and it's going to cost iwe ieeeewei e— worse. and it's going to cost the taxpayer a fortune as well. we— the taxpayer a fortune as well. it's-course. but- it's really, of course. but let's be fair. if- c q2». but let's be fair. if there's one c q2». but let's iwe've. if there's one c q2». but let's iwe've. if tan'e's one c q2». but let's iwe've. if tan abundance thing we've got an abundance of at thing we've got an abundance of ei—iwie- thing we've got an abundance of ei—iwie eewwiewl at the moment in this country, newe— at the moment in this country, wewe-iiewew— at the moment in this country, wewe-iiewew is- at the moment in this country, nana-money is money.| at the moment in this country,- nana-money is money. yeah nana it is. money is money. yeah > let's just nana it is. money is money. yeah > iei-e iwei wini— nana it is. money is money. yeah > let's just print some— nana it is. money is money. yeah > let's just print some more- > let's just print some more wewew— > let's just print some more wewew-eei— > let's just print some more money.-get more- > let's just print some more money. get more money. money. let's get more money. yew— money. let's get more money. vewi—eeiwel money. let's get more money. veweeeew—eeiwel money. let's get more money. veweeeew is-goingl money. let's get more money. ya'happen, is it?-going. money. let's get more money. to happen, is it? i mean, look, i think they need i don't know. i think they need to. died to. i understand people died dunng to. i understand people died during , you know, i during covid, but, you know, i mean, and i think there's a lot of hindsight going on. so people are well, knew age . i are saying, well, we knew age. i mean, habib saying,

mean, i heard ben habib saying, oh that the oh, we knew ages ago that the virus wasn't that bad. i didn't no one knew. who knew? we didn't know. i don't believe that for a minute . and the virus minute. and actually, the virus changed. it became weaker. it was quite bad at the beginning and changed it did. you could and it changed it did. you could say it transitioned— and it changed it did. you could say it transitioned and- say it transitioned and transitioned.- say it transitioned and transitioned. yeah, it did. it eeeewe— transitioned. yeah, it did. it became weaker— transitioned. yeah, it did. it became weaker and it became less , ieee— became weaker and it became less , ieee wiewiewi. — became weaker and it became less , less virulent. so— became weaker and it became less , less virulent. so as— became weaker and it became less , less virulent. so as a result of , less virulent. so as a result ei wee— , less virulent. so as a result ei we, we— , less virulent. so as a result of that, we now— , less virulent. so as a result of that, we now see covid as we— of that, we now see covid as we eeweiwiwe— of that, we now see covid as just something to— of that, we now see covid as just something to live with. but i just something to live with. but i iwiww— just something to live with. but iiwiww eeeeie— just something to live with. but i think people forget that at the i think people forget that at we eiew— i think people forget that at the start actually was scary. the start it actually was scary. it the start it actually was scary. ii we— the start it actually was scary. ii weeiiw— the start it actually was scary. it was really scary— the start it actually was scary. it was really scary .— the start it actually was scary. it was really scary . it- the start it actually was scary. it was really scary. it was like 28 days later. have you seen that i have. it's a that movie? yes, i have. it's a wee— that movie? yes, i have. it's a eieei — that movie? yes, i have. it's a great movie. and— 2? yes, i have. it's a great movie. and probably the ewe— great movie. and probably the ewiw—eeiwe- great movie. and probably the only—goinglbei great movie. and probably the onlvlto-goinglbei great movie. and probably the only to get going be great movie. and probably the only to get on going be great movie. and probably the only to get on the going be great movie. and probably the only to get on the propertybe able to get on the property ieeeee— able to get on the property ladder. nana— able to get on the property ladder. nana is— able to get on the property ladder. nana is if we have a 28 ewe— ladder. nana is if we have a 28 days-situation— ladder. nana is if we have a 28 days-situation in. - ladder. nana is if we have a 28 days situation in. wt; days later situation in. what eeewi— days later situation in. what about schofield ? let's about phillip schofield? let's talk he did his talk about him. he did his crying. look, i understand we need to be careful because obviously , you he is a one obviously, you know, he is a one man. mean, took a lot of man. i mean, boris took a lot of stick as well. you know, stick as well. so, you know, there's sympathy for there's a lot of sympathy for philip, wasn't philip, but there wasn't much for i don't really philip, but there wasn't much for yeah i don't really philip, but there wasn't much for yeah depressionl't really philip, but there wasn't much for yeah depression was ally philip, but there wasn't much for yeah depression was worse, get. yeah depression was worse, but he is broken man. frankly but he is a broken man. frankly but then he tried to blame it on

being this it. being gay. well, this is it. weiweiiw— being gay. well, this is it. normally and— being gay. well, this is it. normally and this- g 93; well, this is it. normally and this what philip is. normally and this what philip ie. wee— normally and this what philip ie. we e— normally and this what philip is. he's a visionary. because if wee— is. he's a visionary. because if wee eweei— is. he's a visionary. because if you eweei ew— is. he's a visionary. because if you cheat on your— is. he's a visionary. because if you cheat on your wife of 26 years— you cheat on your wife of 26 wees-eew-i- you cheat on your wife of 26 years-don't want. you cheat on your wife of 26 years don't want to you cheat on your wife of 26. years-don't want to get years and you don't want to get eiewee— years and you don't want to get eiewee wei— years and you don't want to get blamed for it,— years and you don't want to get blamed for it, what you do is you— blamed for it, what you do is you-a— blamed for it, what you do is wee-e eiweie— blamed for it, what you do is you a studio, right. which you go on a studio, right. which if i you go on a studio, right. which ii i knew— you go on a studio, right. which if i know that,— you go on a studio, right. which if i know that, i— you go on a studio, right. which if i know that, i will because im— if i know that, i will because i-wleeee— if i know that, i will because i'mlgood mew— if i know that, i will because i'm good man. i'm not going to i'm a good man. i'm not going to eweei— i'm a good man. i'm not going to eweei ew— i'm a good man. i'm not going to eweei ew ww— i'm a good man. i'm not going to cheat on my partner.— i'm a good man. i'm not going to cheat on my partner. but if i did:— cheat on my partner. but if i die—ween did, i'm going to go on that see— did, i'm going to go on that eeie wave— did, i'm going to go on that eeie wewe e— did, i'm going to go on that sofa, have a little cry and say we — sofa, have a little cry and say ire-ewe— sofa, have a little cry and say i-w-ewe gei— sofa, have a little cry and say i-w-ewe eei wee- sofa, have a little cry and say i'm and get you all come i'm gay and get you all to come ewe— i'm gay and get you all to come ewe-wee— i'm gay and get you all to come ewe-wee - i'm gay and get you all to come and-you see? and- i'm gay and get you all to come and-you see? and i. i'm gay and get you all to comei and-you see? and i do and hug me, you see? and i do understand because caroline flack's said, flack's mother came on and said, look, careful look, you've got to be careful piling on people. and that is true. true. true. that is very true. yeah i think itv got lot of think itv have got a lot of responsibility on this as well. i that responsibility on this as well. i i that responsibility on this as well. i i hear that responsibility on this as well. i i hear he that responsibility on this as well. i i hear he wasn'tthat and i hear that he wasn't particularly nice to people, there nasty culture in there was a nasty culture in itv, just him, and a itv, not just him, holly, and a lot others behaving , not lot of the others behaving, not pleasant i would be out pleasant manner. i would be out on own. my bosses here gb on my own. my bosses here at gb news, we don't tolerate that. well, exactly. but the problem weis exactly. but the problem weis exact people the problem weis exact people the probls0| is, is when people become so eewewwi— is, is when people become so eewewwi-we-we- is, is when people become so powerful we've seen it in powerful and we've seen it in we— powerful and we've seen it in we peei— powerful and we've seen it in we eeei wiiw— powerful and we've seen it in the past with people like sewiie. — the past with people like sewiie. ii— the past with people like savile. et cetera. et cetera. wei— savile. et cetera. et cetera. wei eeweeiiwe— savile. et cetera. et cetera. not comparing schofield to sewiie, — not comparing schofield to sewiielwe— not comparing schofield to savile,-we just- not comparing schofield to. savile,-we just-that savile, can we just make that eieew—iel clear? but the problem is, is we— clear? but the problem is, is we flew— clear? but the problem is, is we we we— clear? but the problem is, is that they they they they've been eweie— that they they they they've been were-ee— that they they they they've been eweielee iewe— that they they they they've been there so long, they've there for so long, they've

eeee— there for so long, they've become so powerful that people iwiww— become so powerful that people new iwei— become so powerful that people think that actually— become so powerful that people think that actually these are the think that actually these are we eeeew— think that actually these are the reason why— think that actually these are the reason why this show is eweeeeeiwi— the reason why this show is eweeeeeiwi .— the reason why this show is successful . but— the reason why this show is successful . but they're not. you successful. but they're not. you knew,— successful. but they're not. you knew-iiwewei— successful. but they're not. you know,-lineker is- successful. but they're not. you know, lineker is not the know, gary lineker is not the reason. match— know, gary lineker is not the reason. match of— know, gary lineker is not the reason. match of the day is eweeeeewii — reason. match of the day is. successful. _ day reason. match of the day is- successful. _day is successful. match of the day is eweeeeeiwi— successful because people want to successful because people want ie weiew— successful because people want ie weiew e— successful because people want to watch a football— successful because people want to watch a football . what's the to watch a football. what's the eieeiewwe— programme called that he eieeewie— programme called that he presents this— programme called that he presents this morning. this weiwiwe— presents this morning. this morning successful because morning is successful because eeeeie— morning is successful because eeeeie ee— morning is successful because people are unemployed. c : people are unemployed. it should be people are unemployed. it should we weeiewiew-s— people are unemployed. it should be yesterday's morning. people are unemployed. it should be yestercmorning?iing. people are unemployed. it should be yestercmorning? yeah the yesterday morning? yeah the other morning. not this morning. but back. other morning. not this morning. but back . she's but holly's coming back. she's going back on sofa. going to be back on the sofa. yes that's they're saying. going to be back on the sofa. ymean, 's they're saying. going to be back on the sofa. ymean, look, they're saying. going to be back on the sofa. ymean, look, nobodye saying. going to be back on the sofa. ymean, look, nobody watches i mean, look, nobody watches ewe.— i mean, look, nobody watches wee-wee— i mean, look, nobody watches wee-wew-iel that. and if you do watch it, we- that. and if you do watch it, ii-e-iei-e— that. and if you do watch it, ii-e-iei-e ee- that. and if you do watch it, it's-let's be fair. i it's because let's be fair. veere— it's because let's be fair. vewie ei— it's because let's be fair. you're at rock— it's because let's be fair. you're at rock bottom . why? why you're at rock bottom. why? why are you're at rock bottom. why? why wee— you're at rock bottom. why? why wee wei— you're at rock bottom. why? why wee wei www— you're at rock bottom. why? why are you not why you're not working?— are you not why you're not working? www— are you not why you're not working? why are you watching this working? why are you watching iwie morning?— working? why are you watching this morning? i— working? why are you watching this morning? i think i've ieieeiiew— this morning? i think i've forgotten the— this morning? i think i've forgotten the name of it. no, this morning? i think i've forgit'sen the name of it. no, this morning? i think i've forgit's that; name of it. no, this morning? i think i've forgit's that morning. t. no, this morning? i think i've forgit's that morning. ' no, it's that morning. another morning-— no, it's that morning. another morning. some other. some morning. some other. some morning. another day. what morning. another day. yeah. what about davis? because about grant davis? because whilst has going whilst all this has been going on, this on phillip on, all this focus on phillip schofield focus on you know, the whole covid inquiry, then prince harry's going to be talking about whatever, whatever. people have of lost , not looking have sort of lost, not looking at labour party. well, this at the labour party. well, this is it. and at the labour party. well, this is ie awe-wee— at the labour party. well, this is it. and _you have- at the labour party. well, this is it. and _you have to. at the labour party. well, thisi is it. and _you have to say is it. and what you have to say is it. and what you have to say ie—we-e- is it. and what you have to say ie—we-e ieei- is this behaviour. he's just

been— is this behaviour. he's just been accused— is this behaviour. he's just been accused of it. we don't wwew— been accused of it. we don't knew i— been accused of it. we don't knew i wee— been accused of it. we don't know if he's actually done it, we— know if he's actually done it, eee-wave- know if he's actually done it, eee-wave ee- know if he's actually done it, but-have to say- know if he's actually done it, but-have to say is. know if he's actually done it,- but-have to say is this but what you have to say is this eewewieei— but what you have to say is this behaviour. not— but what you have to say is this behaviour. not this— but what you have to say is this behaviour not this isn't the behaviour is not this isn't the eewewieei— behaviour is not this isn't the behaviour of— behaviour is not this isn't the behaviour of a _ behaviour is not this isn't the behaviour of a labour mp, this is e— behaviour of a labour mp, this is a behaviour— behaviour of a labour mp, this is a behaviour of— behaviour of a labour mp, this is a behaviour of an itv tv eieeewiei. — is a behaviour of an itv tv presenter. no,— is a behaviour of an itv tv presenter. no, don't say that . presenter. no, don't say that. vee— presenter. no, don't say that. wee eee-i— presenter. no, don't say that. wee eee-e sav— presenter. no, don't say that. you can't say well,— presenter. no, don't say that. you can't say well, yes,- you can't say well, yes, although i could. you could draw the parallels you could draw the bbc, tv presenter then why have we, ignored this? we, why have we ignored this? we've a focussed laser we've got like a focussed laser focus then focus on schofield, but then we've mp who is we've got like an mp who is apparently he's apparently behaving badly. he's apologised, in fact, saying if he's anybody , sorry. he's upset anybody, he's sorry. so denying he may so he's not denying that he may have inadvertently, as he said , have inadvertently, as he said, inadvertently with his words, caused a upset. so he's not denying it. and yet we're not even looking at him. we don't really care because everyone kind mps to be truly kind of expects mps to be truly appalling, terrible people. that's what we expect . do you that's what we expect. do you remember when— that's what we expect. do you remember when we used to say, oh,— remember when we used to say, eee-knew,— remember when we used to say, oh, - know, they're - remember when we used to say, oh,-know, they're a - remember when we used to say, oh, know, they're a member oh, you know, they're a member of parliament,— oh, you know, they're a member of parliament, they're an eeeieweiwe— upstanding member of society? now:— now, i'll be honest with you, we- now, i'll be honest with you, we eee— now, i'll be honest with you, we eee ie— now, i'll be honest with you, it's got to-point- now, i'll be honest with you, it's got to point now where it's got to the point now where we — it's got to the point now where we _wee,_ it's got to the point now where i-w-weii, ei- it's got to the point now where i'm-well, at least- i'm like, oh, well, at least iwew— i'm like, oh, well, at least iwew-eweei- i'm like, oh, well, at least they-under age.- i'm like, oh, well, at least. they-under age. yeah, they weren't under age. yeah, wee,— they weren't under age. yeah, wee—www- well, i think that's what we all ieewiwe—iwe- well, i think that's what we all ieewiwe—iwe e- well, i think that's what we all looking—the a sighj looking at, thinking the a sigh of looking at, thinking the a sigh ei eiiei— looking at, thinking the a sigh of relief. nana— looking at, thinking the a sigh of relief. nana yeah. the weeweeei— of relief. nana yeah. the weeweeei ewe— of relief. nana yeah. the

youngest one was 19. ” youngest one was 19. that's fair enough. they're enough . but enough. they're old enough. but really, it could be seen really, again, it could be seen as sort abusive, unwise, as some sort of abusive, unwise, but good but not illegal, to quote good work, a great man. work, to quote a great man. absolutely. and harry and absolutely. and then harry and meghan, are meghan, they've said they are not going to appear in front of the camera. well, let's the camera. well, i mean, let's be few— the camera. well, i mean, let's be we .— the camera. well, i mean, let's be fair . that's— the camera. well, i mean, let's be fair . that's like— the camera. well, i mean, let's be fair . that's like an- be fair. that's like an alcoholic— be fair. that's like an alcoholic saying he's not going to alcoholic saying he's not going ie—eiiww. - alcoholic saying he's not going ie—eiiww. .iiei to have another drink. isn't it? we to have another drink. isn't it? we—i— to have another drink. isn't it? we—i eew-i- to have another drink. isn't it?i we_| don't believe we can't believe i don't believe ewe.— we can't believe i don't believe iwie. vee— we can't believe i don't believe this. you know— we can't believe i don't believe this. you know what? i'm going to this. you know what? i'm going ielweweei— this. you know what? i'm going to.honest with— this. you know what? i'm going to.honest with-i- this. you know what? i'm going to honest with i feel to be honest with you. i feel eeww— to be honest with you. i feel eeww wei— to be honest with you. i feel eeww iei werew— to be honest with you. i feel sorry for harry. this is what happens— sorry for harry. this is what weeeewe-wee- sorry for harry. this is what happens you marry happens when you marry a woman wie— happens when you marry a woman wwe—ieeeee- happens when you marry a woman ewe—ieeeee .- happens when you marry a woman who—league , both. who is out of your league, both ieewe. — who is out of your league, both ieewe. awe— who is out of your league, both looks. and intellectually, she iewe—wiw. - looks. and intellectually, she runs—him. he. looks. and intellectually, she. runs—him. he can't runs rings around him. he can't weie— runs rings around him. he can't wee-eee— runs rings around him. he can't weie-eei ei— runs rings around him. he can't help-out of his- runs rings around him. he can't help out of his depth help it. he is out of his depth . ii-e— help it. he is out of his depth . ii-e iiwe— help it. he is out of his depth . we we ee— help it. he is out of his depth . it's like as a— help it. he is out of his depth . it's like as a boxer, when you go . it's like as a boxer, when you gela— . it's like as a boxer, when you eele eeeeie— . it's like as a boxer, when you gola eeeeie ei— . it's like as a boxer, when you go a couple of divisions and go up a couple of divisions and new— go up a couple of divisions and iwew-ieeiiee— go up a couple of divisions and then realise actually i'm then you realise actually i'm eeiiiwe— then you realise actually i'm getting massacred here. and iwei-e— getting massacred here. and that's what's— getting massacred here. and that's what's happening every day that's what's happening every dew-ii— that's what's happening everyj day-it-enjoyable, day. at first it was enjoyable, eee— day. at first it was enjoyable, eee wee— day. at first it was enjoyable, eee ewe— day. at first it was enjoyable, but now and now— day. at first it was enjoyable, but now and now it's just like ieeeeiee— but now and now it's just like repeated blows,— but now and now it's just like repeated blows, repeated blows . repeated blows, repeated blows. oh, repeated blows, repeated blows. ow i— repeated blows, repeated blows. ow i eew-i— repeated blows, repeated blows. ow i eew-i ee— repeated blows, repeated blows. oh, i can't do anything . where's oh, i can't do anything. where's my oh, i can't do anything. where's ww eee— oh, i can't do anything. where's ww eee wee— oh, i can't do anything. where's ww eee we— oh, i can't do anything. where's my dad now? he doesn't want to www— my dad now? he doesn't want to we ie— my dad now? he doesn't want to we ie wee— my dad now? he doesn't want to talk to you anymore, mate. so, wee-s— talk to you anymore, mate. so, no, that's really— talk to you anymore, mate. so, no, that's really sad.— no, that's really sad. i actually feel very sorry for harry meghan to a harry and even meghan to a degree , because it's almost degree, because it's almost like they realise how damaging they don't realise how damaging their is and they their behaviour is and they don't understand the sort of

ricochet . when you like ricochet. when you behave like that, want to take that, people don't want to take you in. like if you're, if you're to your own you're horrible to your own family. mean, you're family. yeah, i mean, if you're going to your own going to be horrible to your own family, going to family, you're not going to be nice me. exactly and this nice to me. exactly and this also as nice to me. exactly and this wise as wee,— nice to me. exactly and this also as well,.you- nice to me. exactly and this also as well,.you see- also as well, if you see eeweeeew— also as well, if you see somebody selling secrets, somebody selling family secrets, wee-e— somebody selling family secrets, wee-e iike— somebody selling family secrets, we eke, i— somebody selling family secrets, you're like, i-really- you're like, i can't really weee— you're like, i can't really weee wee— you're like, i can't really trust you know, you can't trust iwew. — trust you know, you can't trust iwew. wee — trust you know, you can't trust them. you can't— trust you know, you can't trust them. you can't trust you can't weee— them. you can't trust you can't weee-wee— them. you can't trust you can't trust-you can't— them. you can't trust you can't trust you can't trust them. trust any you can't trust them. so trust any you can't trust them. se-ieewee— trust any you can't trust them. so-looked really- trust any you can't trust them. so looked really bad for so it's looked really bad for werew— so it's looked really bad for harry- iweie— so it's looked really bad for harry. there was— so it's looked really bad for harry. there was at one point where— harry. there was at one point where we— harry. there was at one point where we we— harry. there was at one point where he was the— harry. there was at one point where he was the most popular we— where he was the most popular we iiwee— where he was the most popular one. we liked him. we realised he one. we liked him. we realised we weee-i— one. we liked him. we realised he wasn't that— one. we liked him. we realised he wasn't that bright. no one's eeeieei— he wasn't that bright. no one's eeeieei-eei— he wasn't that bright. no one's perfect-but-like,- he wasn't that bright. no one's perfect but like, you perfect yet, but we're like, you knew,— perfect yet, but we're like, you knew-eeee— perfect yet, but we're like, you knew-eeee eew. - perfect yet, but we're like, you know, good guy. he's know, he's a good guy. he's eeiwe— know, he's a good guy. he's eeiwe wie— know, he's a good guy. he's doing his best— know, he's a good guy. he's doing his best and then he's ieei— doing his best and then he's ieei ii-e— doing his best and then he's ieei ii-e eii— doing his best and then he's just it's all gone— doing his best and then he's just it's all gone wrong. sadly, weiei— just it's all gone wrong. sadly, weiei ei— just it's all gone wrong. sadly, weiei ei ewe— just it's all gone wrong. sadly, moral of the story. pick eeweeeew— moral of the story. pick somebody who is your own level or somebody who is your own level ei wewee— somebody who is your own level or maybe slightly— somebody who is your own level or maybe slightly beneath that, eiiewiiw— or maybe slightly beneath that, slightly beneath _ or maybe slightly beneath that, slightly beneath .— or maybe slightly beneath that, slightly beneath . absolutely. slightly beneath. absolutely. awe— slightly beneath. absolutely. awiiiweiiw— slightly beneath. absolutely. and finally, joe— slightly beneath. absolutely. and finally, joe biden, sleepy wee. — and finally, joe biden, sleepy wee. i— and finally, joe biden, sleepy wee. i we— and finally, joe biden, sleepy joe. i feel bad— and finally, joe biden, sleepy joe. i feel bad for- and finally, joe biden, sleepy joe. ziei: and finally, joe biden, sleepy joe. ti?: joe. i feel bad for this man. he shouldn't be running the country. well he's not, is he? no, but somebody pulling the strings. but we don't know who. yeah literally. because sometimes— yeah literally. because. sometimes-walks yeah literally. because- sometimes-walks , he sometimes when he walks, he ieeke— sometimes when he walks, he weee-eee— sometimes when he walks, he looks-got strings- sometimes when he walks, he looks-got strings .- looks like he's got strings. ii-e— looks like he's got strings. it's sometimes— looks like he's got strings. it's sometimes he talks,

looks like he's got strings. - it's sometimes-he talks, he it's sometimes when he talks, he eeeew-i— it's sometimes when he talks, he eeeew-i eew— it's sometimes when he talks, he doesn't even talk. _ it's sometimes when he talks, he doesn't even talk. he scats, you knew,— doesn't even talk. he scats, you knew-weee— doesn't even talk. he scats, you know,-jazz singers,- doesn't even talk. he scats, you know, jazz singers, like know, like jazz singers, like weee.— know, like jazz singers, like eeee. awe— know, like jazz singers, like weee. awe i-w— know, like jazz singers, like bupa. and i'm going, how is this ewe— bupa. and i'm going, how is this man the leader— bupa. and i'm going, how is this man the leader of— bupa. and i'm going, how is this man the leader of the free weiiee— man the leader of the free world? he's— man the leader of the free world? he's a— man the leader of the free world? he's a it's a wonderful weee.— world? he's a it's a wonderful weee. i-w— world? he's a it's a wonderful world. i'm like,— world? he's a it's a wonderful world. i'm like, are you a politician?— world. i'm like, are you a politician? are- world. i'm like, are you a politician? are you louis aiwewewee— politician? are you louis armstrong? what are you? c armstrong? what are you? it's iewieie. — armstrong? what are you? it's iewieie. eee— armstrong? what are you? it's terrible. but people— armstrong? what are you? it's terrible. but people act like they know what he's saying. they're going they they're going as if they understand him understand they're clapping him at i'm like, is it me at the end. i'm like, is it me or this man? he's not in or this man? he's. he's not in control this . he's old. he control of this. he's old. he may dementia. was just may have dementia. it was just very sad. yes. earth is very sad. yes. why on earth is he the of the party and he the head of the party and running the country? well, this is you know, this— running the country? well, this is you know, this is— running the country? well, this is you know, this is quite- is you know, this is quite iiieieiiw— is you know, this is quite literally billion dollar literally the billion dollar eeeeiiew— literally the billion dollar question. knows in question. no one knows in a eeewiw— question. no one knows in a eeewiw-ezo- question. no one knows in a country 320 million with country of over 320 million with ei— country of over 320 million with ei ewe— country of over 320 million with some of the greatest minds in the some of the greatest minds in we weee— some of the greatest minds in the world and— some of the greatest minds in the world and the universities . the world and the universities. et the world and the universities. ii eeei — the world and the universities. ii eeei ii— the world and the universities. et cetera. et cetera. you had joe— et cetera. et cetera. you had wee eieew— et cetera. et cetera. you had joe biden and— et cetera. et cetera. you had joe biden and you think to weeieeii,— joe biden and you think to yourself, this— joe biden and you think to yourself, this is— joe biden and you think to yourself, this is a sign that we— yourself, this is a sign that the political— yourself, this is a sign that the political system, quite wewwiw— the political system, quite frankly .— the political system, quite frankly , isn't— the political system, quite frankly , isn't fit for purpose? frankly, isn't fit for purpose? wee, — frankly, isn't fit for purpose? wee, we — frankly, isn't fit for purpose? well, he certainly isn't. \i2i well, he certainly isn't. no. ieweie— well, he certainly isn't. no. iieweie ii-e— well, he certainly isn't. no. francis, it's been— well, he certainly isn't. no. francis, it's been a- well, he certainly isn't. no. francis, it's been a pleasure. as ever. when are you next on headliners ? i'll be on soon. headliners? i'll be on soon. weee— headliners? i'll be on soon. ieei ieiiew— headliners? i'll be on soon. just follow me— headliners? i'll be on soon. just follow me at- : , i'll be on soon. just follow me at francis j. ieeiee— just follow me at francis j. foster. you'll— just follow me at francis j. foster. you'll be- just follow me at francis j. foster. you'll be able to see. awe— foster. you'll be able to see. awe-ww— foster. you'll be able to see. and my wonderful show ,

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you're listening to gb news radio . radio. good 12: good afternoon. 1?: good afternoon. it's fast radio. good afternoon. it's fast eeeeeeeiiwe— radio. good afternoon. it's fast eeeieeewiwe. 22— 1?: good afternoon. it's fast approaching. 22 minutes after eee. — approaching. 22 minutes after eee. iwie— approaching. 22 minutes after see. we ie— approaching. 22 minutes after 3:00. this is gb— approaching. 22 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are we— 3:00. this is gb news. we are we ieeeie-e— 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana weee— the people's channel. i'm nana akee .— the people's channel. i'm nana akee . wew— the people's channel. i'm nana akua . now let's— the people's channel. i'm nana akua . now let's have a quick akua. now let's have a quick ieek— akua. now let's have a quick ieek ee— akua. now let's have a quick look at what— akua. now let's have a quick look at what you've been saying. i look at what you've been saying. i we— look at what you've been saying. iwe eeikiwe— look at what you've been saying. i was talking about— look at what you've been saying. i was talking about boris and the i was talking about boris and we cowe— i was talking about boris and the covid inquiry. were the covid inquiry. we were weekiwe— the covid inquiry. we were mucking says mucking the week and leon says this-government,- mucking the week and leon says this government, it's this is not a government, it's a wiew— this is not a government, it's a wiew-ei—

this is not a government, it's a wiew-ei eeeeie- this is not a government, it's a mish of people that just mish mash of people that just wewew-i— mish mash of people that just haven't a haven't been sacked. we've got a ieiwe— haven't been sacked. we've got a prime minister— haven't been sacked. we've got a prime minister who's an absolute eewee— prime minister who's an absolute eewee ewe— prime minister who's an absolute coward and disgusting in in ewew— coward and disgusting in in every direction.— coward and disgusting in in every direction. we've got an ex ieiwe— every direction. we've got an ex prime minister— every direction. we've got an ex prime minister who is a liar and eee— prime minister who is a liar and eee ieiwe— prime minister who is a liar and we've got prime ministers. no weiee— we've got prime ministers. no one voted for. _ we've got prime ministers. no one voted for. i— we've got prime ministers. no one voted for. i think that sums it one voted for. i think that sums ie ee— one voted for. i think that sums ii ee eeiiw— one voted for. i think that sums it up really. alan— one voted for. i think that sums it up really. alan says he's eeeiwieeiw— it up really. alan says he's definitely hiding something . definitely hiding something. sewew— definitely hiding something. sunak wants— definitely hiding something. sunak wants transparency. well this sunak wants transparency. well iwie ie— sunak wants transparency. well iwie ie wie— sunak wants transparency. well this is his chance— sunak wants transparency. well this is his chance back, says if wie— this is his chance back, says if iwie. ii— this is his chance back, says if this. if there's— this is his chance back, says if this. if there's nothing to hide , iwew— this. if there's nothing to hide , ewew eiiew— this. if there's nothing to hide , then allow the _ this. if there's nothing to hide , then allow the investigation eeew— , then allow the investigation ieew eeii— , then allow the investigation team full access.— , then allow the investigation team full access. yeah, but eerie— team full access. yeah, but eerie wee— team full access. yeah, but boris has actually, that's the ewiwe. — boris has actually, that's the ewiwe. ii-e— boris has actually, that's the thing. it's the— boris has actually, that's the thing. it's the government that eew-i— thing. it's the government that eew-e wewi— thing. it's the government that eew-e wewe ii.— thing. it's the government that don't want it. which i wonder why— don't want it. which i wonder www iew-e— don't want it. which i wonder www iew-i iwei— don't want it. which i wonder why isn't that interesting? but eiew— why isn't that interesting? but eiew eewee— why isn't that interesting? but stay tuned because of course, we- stay tuned because of course, we ewe— stay tuned because of course, we time fee— stay tuned because of course, it's time for climate control. awe— it's time for climate control. awe-eeeewe- it's time for climate control.. and-second-the and it's the second day of the ieeew — and it's the second day of the ieeew -weiee- and it's the second day of the epsom horse racing epsom derby horse racing ieeiwei— epsom derby horse racing festival. things stand, festival. and as things stand, 19 festival. and as things stand, ie weweiee— festival. and as things stand, 19 members of— festival. and as things stand, 19 members of animal rising have been— 19 members of animal rising have ieeew eweeiee— 19 members of animal rising have been arrested for— 19 members of animal rising have been arrested for planning to eieieei— been arrested for planning to disrupt-event— been arrested for planning to disrupt event with further disrupt the event with a further two disrupt the event with a further| ewe—ewe two detained after running onto the week.— two detained after running onto the track. now,— two detained after running onto the track. now, one man managed to the track. now, one man managed ee iewe— the track. now, one man managed ie iewe ewe— the track. now, one man managed ie iewe iwe iewee— the track. now, one man managed to jump the fence before being ieekiee. — to jump the fence before being tackled. mar—a—lago jumping the iewee— tackled. mar—a—lago jumping the eewee ewe— tackled. mar—a—lago jumping the fence and then— tackled. mar—a—lago jumping the fence and then handcuffed by eeiiee— fence and then handcuffed by eeiiee ew— fence and then handcuffed by eeiiee ew ewe— fence and then handcuffed by police on the racecourse whilst the police on the racecourse whilst ewe-ieeiee— police on the racecourse whilst the _jeered - booed. . the crowd jeered and booed. iiiweiee— the crowd jeered and booed. iiiweiee-,— the crowd jeered and booed. iiiweiee- e— the crowd jeered and booed. minutes , a woman attempted minutes later, a woman attempted to minutes later, a woman attempted ee-eewee— minutes later, a woman attempted ee-eewee .— minutes later, a woman attempted ee-eewee , eee— minutes later, a woman attempted to-fence , but she- minutes later, a woman attempted to fence , but she was to climb the fence, but she was eeiiee—

to climb the fence, but she was eeiieelewe— to climb the fence, but she was pulled-the floor— to climb the fence, but she was pulled the floor police pulled to the floor by police ewe— and observers described the eiieeiiew— and observers described the situation ludicrous and situation as ludicrous and eeeeieee— situation as ludicrous and absolute insanity , whilst others absolute insanity, whilst others ewewwee— absolute insanity, whilst others thanked police— absolute insanity, whilst others thanked police for putting a eiee— thanked police for putting a eiee ee— thanked police for putting a eiee ie we— thanked police for putting a stop to the protests. well like i stop to the protests. well like i eew— stop to the protests. well like i eew twee— stop to the protests. well like ieew me im— stop to the protests. well like i say that i'm now joined by our weiiewei— i say that i'm now joined by our national-paul- i say that i'm now joined by our national paul hawkins i say that i'm now joined by our natiothe paul hawkins i say that i'm now joined by our natiothe downs hawkins is at the epsom downs racecourse. _ is at the epsom downs racecourse. paul, talk to me eeeee— racecourse. paul, talk to me eeeei ewe— racecourse. paul, talk to me about the scenes— racecourse. paul, talk to me about the scenes that occurred a few— about the scenes that occurred a eew-eee— about the scenes that occurred a eew-eee . — about the scenes that occurred a eew-eee . weee- about the scenes that occurred a few-ago . yeah, so . about the scenes that occurred a. few-ago . yeah, so this few moments ago. yeah, so this was about a minute into the race which went off on time. one 3030. they were on the far side of the track from the grandstand. that's where all the races start. and then about 30s to a minute into the race, there was a lot of booing by the finish line on the near side by the grandstand, and you could see one man being carried away. he he managed to make it into the middle of the track. he was in clothing . he wasn't in civilian clothing. he wasn't wearing any kind of campaign t shirts , no t shirts that said shirts, no t shirts that said animal rising on them. but he made his way into the track. he was there for a few seconds and then taken by then he was taken away by 4 or 5 stewards to jeers and cheers from the crowd . and we've from the crowd. and we've confirmed in the last few

minutes actually from animal rising was rising themselves that he was one of their protesters. there was another arrest made, a woman who was trying to climb the fence to enter the race area as well. the horses were nowhere nean well. the horses were nowhere near. no one was hurt and they were taken away. so one of the aims of animal rising was to either cancel or delay the at least delay the start of the race. that didn't happen . but race. that didn't happen. but speaking to them in the last few minutes, me that, speaking to them in the last few minu�*they've me that, speaking to them in the last few minu�*they've at me that, speaking to them in the last few minu�*they've at least me that, speaking to them in the last few minu�*they've at least managed look, they've at least managed to publicise what they're calling for, which is , you know, calling for, which is, you know, they think that horse racing is a cruel sport. they point to the use of whips , they point the use of whips, they point to the use of whips, they point to the use point to the use of jumps. they point to the fatality rate amongst horses, and they say for that reason the sport to be banned and sport needs to be banned and okay, they didn't manage to cancel or delay of the cancel or delay the start of the race but they've managed cancel or delay the start of the raeamplify but they've managed cancel or delay the start of the raeamplify the: they've managed cancel or delay the start of the raeamplify the volume managed cancel or delay the start of the raeamplify the volume ofanaged cancel or delay the start of the raeamplify the volume of the jed to amplify the volume of the conversation and that will continue with other sports events and just quickly before i let have had let you go, we have had a response the jockey club. response from the jockey club. they're racecourse . in the last epsom racecourse. in the last few minutes, they've said this reckless and illegal behaviour few minutes, they've said this reia less and illegal behaviour few minutes, they've said this reia breachd illegal behaviour few minutes, they've said this

reia breach ofllegal behaviour few minutes, they've said this reia breach of the al behaviour few minutes, they've said this reia breach of the highhaviour few minutes, they've said this reia breach of the high courtir is a breach of the high court injunction they won last injunction which they won last week. they'll seeking to week. they'll be seeking to enforce that. there's potentially fines , potential potentially fines, potential imprisonment through that legal route. we utterly condemn their deplorable and mindless actions today that race was able that the race was able to take place on time . today is testament to on time. today is testament to the determination of everyone to stage what they call one of britain's british sport's most iconic, iconic and loved events . so genuinely, so generally speaking , it has passed off speaking, it has passed off today. so far without a hitch. although there are still a few races to take place. so we haven't had the end of the race today. certainly today. but certainly the most prestigious derby prestigious race, the derby is oven prestigious race, the derby is over. thank you, paul. that's paul hawkins— over. thank you, paul. that's paul hawkins is— over. thank you, paul. that's paul hawkins is our- that's paul hawkins is our national ieeewee—wel reporter. well, joining me now is reporter. well, joining me now ie—eiieeeei- reporter. well, joining me now is_director of- reporter. well, joining me now is_director of carl is lewis perry, director of car 26,— is lewis perry, director of car 26, seew— is lewis perry, director of car 26, sean irish,— is lewis perry, director of car 26, sean irish, just stop oil ewe— 26, sean irish, just stop oil and-lockwood- 26, sean irish, just stop oil and lockwood from animal and alex lockwood from animal weee.— and alex lockwood from animal weee-im— and alex lockwood from animal weee-ire eeiwe- and alex lockwood from animal rising. i'm going come and alex lockwood from animal risyou i'm going come and alex lockwood from animal risyou first. i'm going come and alex lockwood from animal risyou first. right.)ing come and alex lockwood from animal risyou first. right.)ingas come and alex lockwood from animal risyou first. right.)ingas you ne to you first. right. so as you wewiee— to you first. right. so as you weweee ie— to you first. right. so as you wanted to highlight the cause of the wanted to highlight the cause of we ewiweie— wanted to highlight the cause of the animals, talk,— wanted to highlight the cause of the animals, talk, talk to me eieei— the animals, talk, talk to me eeeei-iwie— the animals, talk, talk to me about-this was- the animals, talk, talk to me about-this was a- the animals, talk, talk to me about this was a good event about why this was a good event for about why this was a good event eee-iee— about why this was a good event eee-ee-ewie- about why this was a good event for-be-this at- for you to be doing this at weee— for you to be doing this at veew wee,— for you to be doing this at yeah, well, thanks for having lweiee— yeah, well, thanks for having us. .horse dies— yeah, well, thanks for havingi us. .horse dies-other yeah, well, thanks for having- us. .horse dies-other day us. a horse dies every other day in in the uk and we in horse racing in the uk and we know and know

know that. and we know that actually disrupted the actually after we disrupted the grand 54% of the grand national, 54% of the general the britain general public in the britain understand it's voting understand that it's a voting and said this is a cruel race. we want this industry to eeweieei— we want this industry to consider-it's- we want this industry to consider it's doing. our consider what it's doing. our eiw — consider what it's doing. our eiw ie— consider what it's doing. our eiw ie ee— consider what it's doing. our aim is to shine— consider what it's doing. our aim is to shine a— consider what it's doing. our aim is to shine a spotlight on all aim is to shine a spotlight on eii ee— aim is to shine a spotlight on eii ee iweee— aim is to shine a spotlight on all of these harms done to ewiweie— all of these harms done to animals, whether we use them for feed—we— animals, whether we use them for feed—we ee- animals, whether we use them for food—we use them- animals, whether we use them for food we use them for food or whether we use them for fun food or whether we use them for eewleeew— food or whether we use them for fun-sportlwherever- food or whether we use them for fun sport wherever use fun in sport or wherever we use were — fun in sport or wherever we use were weeeeee— fun in sport or wherever we use them. f f �*" them. because actually, if we if we change relationship we can change our relationship with country with animals in this country right now , that's going to be right now, that's going to be it's important us in it's really important for us in terms and nature terms of our climate and nature crisis that facing. so for crisis that we're facing. so for us, really, really happy- it ?it. q so for us, really, really happy today we— us, really, really happy today we we— us, really, really happy today that no horses— us, really, really happy today that no horses were harmed weee— that no horses were harmed because we know just on tuesday this because we know just on tuesday iwie week,— because we know just on tuesday this week, sweet— because we know just on tuesday this week, sweet run died at iiweeieie— this week, sweet run died at iiweiieie ew— this week, sweet run died at lingfield on the— this week, sweet run died at lingfield on the flat . you know, lingfield on the flat. you know, weeee— lingfield on the flat. you know, weeee eie— lingfield on the flat. you know, horses die all— lingfield on the flat. you know, horses die all the— lingfield on the flat. you know, horses die all the time. so iwiwe— horses die all the time. so iewiwe ie— horses die all the time. so we're trying to put an end to ewe.— we're trying to put an end to ewee i— we're trying to put an end to ewee i weee— we're trying to put an end to that. i hear you.— we're trying to put an end to that. i hear you. - we're trying to put an end to that. i hear you. :i2i that. i hear you. but they do die all time. mean, you die all the time. i mean, you could running could have somebody running a marathon. the marathon. they could die at the end lois yeah. i mean, end of it. lois yeah. i mean, are you a end of it. lois yeah. i mean, wee e weeew— end of it. lois yeah. i mean, are you a vegan as- i2t: c / i mean, are you a vegan as well? i127“: c / i mean, are you a vegan as well? “25 are you a vegan as well? yes, i vee— are you a vegan as well? yes, i wee se— are you a vegan as well? yes, i am. you are. so you- are you a vegan as well? “25 42». ?”»2; so you don't am. you are. so you don't eeiiewe— am. you are. so you don't believe that— am. you are. so you don't believe that we- 42». ?”»2; so you don't believe that we should be eating weee— believe that we should be eating weeilwewiwe— believe that we should be eating meat-having-or- believe that we should be eating meat having or anything meat or having milk or anything like meat or having milk or anything iiwe—iwee- meat or having milk or anything iiwe—iwee eeee- meat or having milk or anythingi like—that goes with like that either? that goes with the package of belief the whole package of your belief system. because we're system. yes, because what we're in

system. yes, because what we're iw—wweie- system. yes, because what we're iw—wweie we'iel in a situation now where we're eeeieiiiwe— in a situation now where we're eeeieiiiwe ewe— in a situation now where we're exploiting and animals exploiting and using animals and we—ie— exploiting and using animals and we_to-actually. we don't need to and actually ewe—ie- that exploitation leads to a wee— that exploitation leads to a weee—werew- that exploitation leads to a great—harm for. that exploitation leads to a. great—harm for our great amount of harm for our weeie— - great amount of harm for our weeie— we-wel great amount of harm for our. nature._ we've had nature. biodiversity we've had dominion over the animals. you know, it's actually in the old testament that human beings have dominion over the animals and that they we look after them and that they we look after them and that they we look after them and that they look after us. and, you contract you know, it's a contract between us. really do think between us. i really do think the old testament, you have dominion over the animals. you have to go forth and t 2“ ?t you have to go forth and multiply. why— have to go forth and multiply. www wee— have to go forth and multiply. www wee weeie— have to go forth and multiply. why you would take care of the ewiweie. —iwe- animals. we did not do the ewiweie— animals. we did not do the animals until— animals. we did not do the animals until after the flood ewe— animals until after the flood ewe-eiwwee— animals until after the flood ewe-eiwwee .— animals until after the flood and sinned . how the was and we sinned. how the sin was twee— and we sinned. how the sin was that-90t— and we sinned. how the sin was ewe-eee ieew — and we sinned. how the sin was that-got from the- and we sinned. how the sin was that got from the fruit of that we got from the fruit of weee— that we got from the fruit of your ieeeee— that we got from the fruit of your labour, from the sweat of weee— your labour, from the sweat of weee-weee— your labour, from the sweat of your- before when- your labour, from the sweat of your before when adam and your brow. before when adam and eve.— your brow. before when adam and ewe-wieie— your brow. before when adam and ewe-wieie we- your brow. before when adam and eve, bible was perfect. eve, when the bible was perfect. if eve, when the bible was perfect. ie—we- eve, when the bible was perfect. ie—we - if you believe in it. we were eeew— if you believe in it. we were weewe weee— if you believe in it. we were vegan. yeah but. but, but. but we mew— vegan. yeah but. but, but. but we wew ee— vegan. yeah but. but, but. but we wew ee eeew— vegan. yeah but. but, but. but we may be vegan, but- vegan. yeah but. but we may be vegan, but that eeeew-e— we may be vegan, but that doesn't mean— we may be vegan, but that doesn't mean that it should then be doesn't mean that it should then ee—eweweeew- doesn't mean that it should then be_everybody else.| doesn't mean that it should then be i everybody else. doesn't mean that it should then be i i everybody else. doesn't mean that it should then be i i foreverybody else. doesn't mean that it should then be i i for me,/body else. doesn't mean that it should then be i i for me, iwody else. doesn't mean that it should then be i i for me, i mean, se. no, i mean, i for me, i mean, i weee— no, i mean, i for me, i mean, i have-autoimmune- no, i mean, i for me, i mean, i have-autoimmune i have an autoimmune condition. i eew-i— have an autoimmune condition. i eew-i-eeieee— have an autoimmune condition. i eew-i-eeieee ewe- have an autoimmune condition. i can't pulses and things can't just eat pulses and things eke—eee— can't just eat pulses and things iike—eie-wwe like that. there are people who eew-i— like that. there are people who ewe-weee.— like that. there are people who eew-i-weee i— like that. there are people who can't-nuts. i don't- like that. there are people who can't nuts. i don't think can't eat nuts. i don't think ewe— can't eat nuts. i don't think we weee— can't eat nuts. i don't think that your ideology is realistic wwew— that your ideology is realistic when _veganisml that your ideology is realistic whe actually veganism that your ideology is realistic whe actually have veganism that your ideology is realistic whe actually have toganism that your ideology is realistic whe actually have to be ism that your ideology is realistic whe actually have to be very you actually have to be very understanding— you actually have to be very underrfood. ng_ you actually have to be very underrfood. ng sure that you about food. make sure that you eew-e— about food. make sure that you don't—yourself. don't end up doing yourself eeweewiwe. — don't end up doing yourself something. the something. do you know what the definition of veganism is?

well, you give us. go on. well, you give it to us. go on. so well, you give it to us. go on. se weee— well, you give it to us. go on. so we're practical— well, you give it to us. go on. so we're practical possible so we're practical and possible to so we're practical and possible ie—ewe- so we're practical and possible ie—ewe seekl so we're practical and possible ie—ewe eeek iei to seek, to exploit and seek to remove exploitation and remove all exploitation and eieeiew— remove all exploitation and eieeiiw ieew — remove all exploitation and cruelty from animals . cruelty from animals. that's where— cruelty from animals. that's where possible. so if you're if you cannot, for whatever reason and have to survive, you are and you have to survive, you are still vegan if you doing it still vegan if you are doing it because have to survive. because you have to survive. okay but vegan food and because you have to survive. okay most vegan food and because you have to survive. okay most of vegan food and because you have to survive. okay most of that gan food and because you have to survive. okay most of that kind ood and because you have to survive. okay most of that kind ofj and because you have to survive. okay most of that kind of food most most of that kind of food ewiwei— most most of that kind of food ewiwei wew— most most of that kind of food animal non animal product food is animal non animal product food ie wiewiw— animal non animal product food ie wiewiw .— animal non animal product food is highly , highw— animal non animal product food is highly , highly, highly is highly, highly, highly eieeeeeee— is highly, highly, highly processed unless you're just eeiiwe— processed unless you're just eating literally— processed unless you're just eating literally an apple or a eewewe— eating literally an apple or a banana or something like that. so banana or something like that. se weww— banana or something like that. so many chemicals can come back on so many chemicals can come back ew weee— so many chemicals can come back ew ieee . — so many chemicals can come back ew ieee . vee— so many chemicals can come back ew ieee . wee. 9°— so many chemicals can come back on food . yep, go on.— so many chemicals can come back on food . yep, go on. i- so many chemicals can come back on food . /2t 22» so many chemicals can come back on food . /2t» 22 2t t t on food. yep, go on. i mean, in the uk, i mean, i wrote a massive report on this actually for the vegan society. so i've done my research. we've got one of worst diets in europe in of the worst diets in europe in the world, actually in the uk, 50% of diet is highly 50% of our diet is highly processed , actually. well, it processed, actually. well, it depends when _ processed, actually. well, it depends when you - f: f well, it depends when you my processed, actually. well, it- depends when you-my diet. depends when you eat my diet. weee.— depends when you eat my diet. weee-eewe— depends when you eat my diet. yeah,-don't eat- depends when you eat my diet. yeah,-don't eat that. - yeah, yeah. i don't eat that. see— yeah, yeah. i don't eat that. sow—weee- yeah, yeah. i don't eat that.- eow—weei eeeeie 50% of the diet for most people in 50% of the diet for most people iw—ie— 50% of the diet for most people iw—ie ieeiiw- in this country is really ewweeieww. — in this country is really unhealthy. but what we're what wewe-ewee— unhealthy. but what we're what wewe—ewee we- unhealthy. but what we're what we're that we don't we're saying is that we don't weee— we're saying is that we don't weeelexeieie— we're saying is that we don't need-exploit and- we're saying is that we don't need exploit and harm animals need to exploit and harm animals ewwwee we— need to exploit and harm animals anymore. we-like- need to exploit and harm animals anymore. we like really anymore. we can eat like really weeiiww— anymore. we can eat like really weeiiww wweie— anymore. we can eat like really healthy whole food plant based

eieie— healthy whole food plant based eieie ewe— healthy whole food plant based eieie ewe ew— healthy whole food plant based diets and on, on— healthy whole food plant based diets and on, on and cheaply as wee.— diets and on, on and cheaply as well. nutritionally.— diets and on, on and cheaply as well. nutritionally. you know, well. nutritionally. you know, we ee— well. nutritionally. you know, we can do that.— well. nutritionally. you know, we can do that. i— well. nutritionally. you know, we can do that. i grew up as a wee— we can do that. i grew up as a wee eee— we can do that. i grew up as a wee eie ww— we can do that. i grew up as a meat eater. my granddad used to we— meat eater. my granddad used to ieke we— meat eater. my granddad used to ieke we ee— meat eater. my granddad used to ieke we ee ewe— meat eater. my granddad used to take me to the butchers and, you ewew.— take me to the butchers and, you knew ee— take me to the butchers and, you knew ee i— take me to the butchers and, you knew ee i grew— take me to the butchers and, you knew ee i grew ee— take me to the butchers and, you know, so i grew up that way. so i know, so i grew up that way. so i eweeieiewe— know, so i grew up that way. so i understand the— know, so i grew up that way. so i understand the attachment to it. i understand the attachment to ie -ie— i understand the attachment to ie -ie e— i understand the attachment to ie-ie e wewe- i understand the attachment to it.-is a time-not. it. but now is a time it's not an it. but now is a time it's not ew—ieeeie- it. but now is a time it's not. an_people should it. but now is a time it's not- an_people should be an attachment. people should be able do what they want and able to do what they want and we're to drive cars , so we're able to drive cars, so they should be able to heat their homes and should be their homes and they should be able eat drink. and able to eat meat and drink. and that's why we're here raising eiiewiiew— that's why we're here raising attention to— that's why we're here raising attention to have the conversation. ' attention to have the- conversation. and i think that conversation. and i think that conversation is really important across great public across the great general public in we have to have in this country. we have to have a w in this country. we have to have a , ian, about the a conversation, ian, about the way that we treat animals . way that we treat animals. well, move on to let's well, let's move on to let's open— well, let's move on to let's eeew ewe— well, let's move on to let's open the climate discussion to weee— open the climate discussion to weee seep— open the climate discussion to weee seep-ee— open the climate discussion to just stop .as well, - open the climate discussion to just stop as well, because just stop oil as well, because you— just stop oil as well, because weee-e— just stop oil as well, because weee-e ie— just stop oil as well, because you-are is there- just stop oil as well, because you are is there going you guys are are is there going to you guys are are is there going ieleww— you guys are are is there going eeleww eeiiew— you guys are are is there going to.any action on— you guys are are is there going to any action on the football to be any action on the football eieeweee— to be any action on the football pitches? manchester city and iieweweeiei— pitches? manchester city and manchester united playing pitches? manchester city and manchtheir united playing pitches? manchester city and manchtheir faited playing pitches? manchester city and manchtheir faited final. aying today. their fa cup final. are ewew— today. their fa cup final. are ewew-ee— today. their fa cup final. are they-to.storming. today. their fa cup final. are they to storming the they going to be storming the eiiewe — they going to be storming the pitch? _possibly- they going to be storming the pitch? _possibly sayl they going to be storming the. pitch? _possibly say i'm pitch? couldn't possibly say i'm here, don't know. no, you here, so i don't know. no, you might here, so i don't know. no, you ewewe-ewewe.— here, so i don't know. no, you might-there, but- here, so i don't know. no, you might-there, but you. might not be there, but you wiewe— might not be there, but you wiewi ewew— might not be there, but you might know if— might not be there, but you might know if they to. might know if they are going to. are might know if they are going to. we ewew— might know if they are going to. we ewew eiewwiwe— might know if they are going to. are they planning to— might know if they are going to. are they planning to do- might know if they are going to. are they planning to do that? so we just stop we are we are just stop oil. we are demanding government demanding that the uk government end all new fossil fuel

licences. willing to do licences. we are willing to do any actions order any cultural actions in order to raise the of that issue. raise the profile of that issue. so say what would so i can't say what we would or wouldn't not wouldn't target. that's not a decision but fossil decision that i make. but fossil fuels naturally occurring fuels are naturally occurring right environment. so we right in the environment. so we and i understood right in the environment. so we and-i understood-there- and as i understood it, there weee—ewiweel and as i understood it, there. were—things and were the bones and things and wiweieie—se- were the bones and things and minerals—so and. minerals and so on. so and ewew-ie— minerals and so on. so and they're constantly rejuvenate as well. so i get it. what's the eieeiew — well. so i get it. what's the problem wiiw— well. so i get it. what's the problem with us— so i get it. what's the problem with us using what there is problem with us using what there ie ewee— problem with us using what there ie we we— problem with us using what there is that we already— problem with us using what there is that we already have rather ewew— is that we already have rather ewew-ie— is that we already have rather than _to waste. - is that we already have rather. than _to waste. .i'm than putting it to waste. so i'm eeeeeiiw—ie- than putting it to waste. so i'm eeeeeiiw—ii iwl actually glad you asked it in that because you've done it that way because you've done it much than reporters much better than most reporters . oil is actually . so just stop. oil is actually asking that the uk government end fuel licences. we end new fossil fuel licences. we recognise a transitional recognise during a transitional penod recognise during a transitional period that we will continue to have to use it. although the nhs has under the tories, has collapsing under the tories, it collapse faster we it would collapse faster if we stopped immediately. stopped all oil immediately. we recognise needs be recognise that there needs to be a but need to work a transition but we need to work towards moment, towards that. at the moment, fossil are killing fossil fuels are killing us. you will able go to a nail will not be able to go to a nail beauticians and get your nails done in done if we are living in a climate no . that's climate crisis, well no. that's the of my worries. i don't the least of my worries. i don't do that. i tell you— the least of my worries. i don't do that. i tell you what- i don't do that. i tell you what do do that. i tell you what i do ewee— do that. i tell you what i do ewee-iee— do that. i tell you what i doi what-the-fuels what i need. the fossil fuels for what i need. the fossil fuels eee iwiwee— what i need. the fossil fuels for things like— what i need. the fossil fuels for things like making concrete iwiwee— for things like making concrete iwiwee eke— for things like making concrete things like actually even making ewewiiiwe— things like actually even making ewewiwiwewew—

things like actually even making everythin even things turbines, even making things eke— turbines, even making things eke-ie— turbines, even making things like-to actually- turbines, even making things like to actually have like fertiliser to actually have the like fertiliser to actually have we weeew— like fertiliser to actually have the vegan .that- like fertiliser to actually have the vegan that you're the vegan diet that you're ieikiwe— the vegan diet that you're talking-fossil- the vegan diet that you're talking-fossil are talking about. fossil fuels are iweiieeeee— implicated in many things. i eew-i— implicated in many things. i eewe-.— implicated in many things. i eew-i-. weee- implicated in many things. i don't . what your plan don't think. what is your plan ewee—ewee- don't think. what is your plani once _that, what once we've stopped that, what are once we've stopped that, what we eeiwe— once we've stopped that, what we eeiwe ie— once we've stopped that, what are we going to use instead? so wee— are we going to use instead? so weee—wewe.- are we going to use instead? so wee-ie—iiewiliwel you're absolutely right. at the moment, you're absolutely right. at the momentto the global society integral to the global society as talking about as we are. we are talking about moving that. there is moving away from that. there is solutions. been solutions. there hasn't been solutions. there hasn't been solutions we solutions. there hasn't been solut got we solutions. there hasn't been solut got a we solutions. there hasn't been solut got a variety we solutions. there hasn't been solut got a variety of we solutions. there hasn't been solut got a variety of energy. so have got a variety of energy. so wind , wind turbines, we've got . wind, wind turbines, we've got. they don't work. yeah, go on. ieew-ie— they don't work. yeah, go on. iwew-ie wee— they don't work. yeah, go on. they're not going— they don't work. yeah, go on. they're not going to make concrete. how- they're not going to make concrete. i?2; they're not going to make concrete. 22 t2 concrete. how are you going to make the turbine without the fossil? can make concrete fossil? so you can make concrete wieweee— fossil? so you can make concrete without-fuels?— without fossil fuels? not eeiiw—eewl without fossil fuels? not. really._can make without fossil fuels? not- really._can make hemp really. not so you can make hemp eeeee— really. not so you can make hemp based concrete?— really. not so you can make hemp based concrete? not— really. not so you can make hemp based concrete? not no, not the eewewi— based concrete? not no, not the ewewe—wee- based concrete? not no, not the eewewi—wee-weii current volume as you say, not we— current volume as you say, not ewe—eieeiee- current volume as you say, not the—studied this.| the volume. i've studied this. i ewew.— the volume. i've studied this. i ewew—ie- the volume. i've studied this. i know-_to-tol know. if you want to talk to weeieeii. — know. if you want to talk to yourself, absolutely know. if you want to talk to yoursbut absolutely know. if you want to talk to yoursbut let absolutely know. if you want to talk to yoursbut let eactually,i fine. but let me actually, if you—a- fine. but let me actually, if| you—a question, fine. but let me actually, if- you_a question, let you can ask me a question, let me— you can ask me a question, let we we. i— you can ask me a question, let me answer. no, i have let you ewwel — me answer. no, i have let you ewwel lim— me answer. no, i have let youj answer. .i'm-you me answer. no, i have let you. answer. .i'm-you so answer it. so i'm asking you so i you. so concrete is i ask you. so concrete is eeweweiw— i ask you. so concrete is currently made - so concrete is currently made the i ask you. so concrete is currently made .the is currently made in the way it is weee— currently made in the way it is eeee ee— currently made in the way it is because of-fossil- currently made in the way it is because of fossil fuel because of the fossil fuel iweeeww— because of the fossil fuel. iweeeww—iwe industry and because of the eeeeweewew— industry and because of the dependency the dependency that we have on the eeeeii—ii-e- fossil fuel industry. it's not weee— fossil fuel industry. it's not eeee ee— fossil fuel industry. it's not because of the— fossil fuel industry. it's not because of the cheapest. it's wee— because of the cheapest. it's wee-ewe— because of the cheapest. it's not-the fastest. - not because the fastest. it's wei— not because the fastest. it's wee—ewe- not because the fastest. it's not—the most. not because it's the most eieieiewi.— not because it's the most efficient—it. not because it's the mosti efficient._it is not because it's the mosti effiimost_it is not because it's the most effiimost massively it is not because it's the most effiimost massively available the most massively available due to the overarching of the fossil ieei— to the overarching of the fossil eeei iweeeww— to the overarching of the fossil fuel industry, which taking fuel industry, which is taking wiiiiewe— fuel industry, which is taking. wiiiiewe—ee millions out of the economy as we ewewe—

millions out of the economy as we spend-during- millions out of the economy as we spend-during a- millions out of the economy as we spend during a cost we spend millions during a cost of we spend millions during a cost ee—vee— we spend millions during a cost ee—vee ewew.- of living crisis. you know, eeeeieieiw— of living crisis. you know, absolutely everything you're eewiwe— absolutely everything you're i saying—nonsense, saying is complete nonsense, eew-i— saying is complete nonsense, don't-everything- saying is complete nonsense,| don't-everything you're don't you? everything you're wearing, everything in this room , in fact, everything in your life and in your family's life is dependent on oil . absolutely. is dependent on oil. absolutely. everything from from when you go into hospital, from the plastics , from absolutely everything. but it's so interesting that you talk about transitions and no new oil and gas exploration because your main funder is the getty family, who own a lot of the oil and gas resources. getty family, who own a lot of the oil and gas resources . and the oil and gas resources. and of course, they wouldn't want any new oil and gas, would they? because it pushes the price of their oil and gas up. how can you sit there funded by oil doing a thing called just stop oil so do a little bit more ieeeeieew— oil so do a little bit more research? so— o 2 so do a little bit more research? so aileen getty, who's weee— research? so aileen getty, who's your ewewe— research? so aileen getty, who's your ewewe ee— research? so aileen getty, who's your ewewe ie iee— research? so aileen getty, who's your phone to be, is a disown ewe— your phone to be, is a disown ewe weee— your phone to be, is a disown and great granddaughter of an oil and great granddaughter of an eii iweeeww.— and great granddaughter of an oil industry. so— and great granddaughter of an oil industry. so she don't eeiiewe— oil industry. so she don't believe that. _ oil industry. so she don't believe that. so she does not wewe— believe that. so she does not wewe eww— believe that. so she does not wewe eww ewe— believe that. so she does not have any she doesn't have any iwweeewewee— have any she doesn't have any

investments currently . she's not investments currently. she's not pari— investments currently. she's not eew ee— investments currently. she's not eew e i.— investments currently. she's not eew e i. se— investments currently. she's not part of it. so it's— investments currently. she's not part of it. so it's just that's iiwe— part of it. so it's just that's iike we— part of it. so it's just that's like me saying— part of it. so it's just that's like me saying as a i've got wewew— like me saying as a i've got norman ancestry- like me saying as a i've got norman ancestry ancient, i'm eiiii— norman ancestry ancient, i'm eeiii e— norman ancestry ancient, i'm still a prince. _ norman ancestry ancient, i'm still a prince. but- norman ancestry ancient, i'm still a prince. but but it's not that far back. and let's be honest, the reason why she's where she is with the name she is because fossil fuels that's the point that we're making here. literally, here. so literally, as lois said, just confirmed said, you've just confirmed that literally said, you've just confirmed that literais really is from fossil have is really is from fossil fuels. even just stop oil. this is where i've i've got to wrap up because we've got the news. i would love to to you if you would love to talk to you if you can join us every saturday midday parliament square. can join us every saturday midifor parliament square. can join us every saturday midifor nextarliament square. can join us every saturday midifor next tilliment square. can join us every saturday midifor next till 105nt square. can join us every saturday midifor next till 10 a.m.]uare. can join us every saturday midifor next till 10 am. youe. and for next till 10 am. you eeweee— and for next till 10 am. you can donate money that can donate lots of money that weeie— can donate lots of money that would _ excuse - would be tripled. excuse me. my show. least all show. at least be polite. all right. look forward right. so, look, i look forward to this again. we'll right. so, look, i look forward to a this again. we'll right. so, look, i look forward to a longeris again. we'll right. so, look, i look forward to a longer discussion e'll right. so, look, i look forward to a longer discussion on it. right. so, look, i look forward to ifa longer discussion on it. right. so, look, i look forward to if you'reir discussion on it. right. so, look, i look forward to if you're justicussion on it. right. so, look, i look forward to if you're just »cussl0|ii’i,i’i it. but if you're just tuned in, welcome that, course, welcome aboard. that, of course, was lois perry car 26. sean was lois perry from car 26. sean irish just stop oil and irish from just stop oil and alex lockwood from animal rising. you're with rising. right. so you're with me. akua. this is gb me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. still come, news on tv, online and on dig be radio. still come, news on tv, online and on dig be radio. sinto come, news on tv, online and on dig be radio. sinto the»me, news on tv, online and on dig be radio. sinto the world i'll be delving into the world of hundreds of tech of ai as hundreds of tech leaders have called for the world treat as a danger on world to treat ai as a danger on a with pandemics and nuclear a par with pandemics and nuclear war. but first, let's get your

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cancel or severely— animal rising had threatened to cancel or severely delay the wewe— cancel or severely delay the were ieeiwe— cancel or severely delay the horse racing event . however, it horse racing event. however, it wewe— horse racing event. however, it went eweei— horse racing event. however, it went eweei ee— horse racing event. however, it went ahead as planned . they've went ahead as planned. they've eeeee— went ahead as planned. they've accused surrey— went ahead as planned. they've accused surrey police of abusing ewei— accused surrey police of abusing iweii eeweie. — accused surrey police of abusing their powers. rail— accused surrey police of abusing their powers. rail passengers are experiencing— their powers. rail passengers are experiencing their third day of are experiencing their third day ee majo— are experiencing their third day of major disruption this week as weweiee— of major disruption this week as weweiee ee— of major disruption this week as members of the— of major disruption this week as members of the aslef union go on ewwe. — members of the aslef union go on ewwe. weweie— members of the aslef union go on strike. workers across 15 train eeweeieee— strike. workers across 15 train companies have— strike. workers across 15 train companies have walked out in an eweeiwe— companies have walked out in an eweeiwe eieeeee— companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and eeweiiiewe. — ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. the— ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. the disruption has eeew— conditions. the disruption has been affecting— conditions. the disruption has been affecting people planning to been affecting people planning ee ewewe— been affecting people planning to attend the— been affecting people planning to attend the fa— been affecting people planning to attend the fa cup final at weweiew— to attend the fa cup final at weweiew ewe— to attend the fa cup final at wembley and of— to attend the fa cup final at wembley and of course the epsom derby— wembley and of course the epsom eeiiw .— wembley and of course the epsom derby . president— wembley and of course the epsom derby . president vladimir derby. president vladimir zeiewewww— derby. president vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to zelenskyy says ukraine is ready ee ieewew— zelenskyy says ukraine is ready ee ieewew iee— zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch its counter—offensive eeeiwei— to launch its counter—offensive against russia. _ to launch its counter—offensive against russia. speaking to the wee— against russia. speaking to the weii eweei— against russia. speaking to the wall street journal, mr zeiewewww— wall street journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes that ewewe— zelenskyy said he believes that eweiwe wiii— zelenskyy said he believes that ukraine will succeed in ieeeeieiiwe— ukraine will succeed in recapturing russian occupied iewieew— recapturing russian occupied iewiieew ewe— recapturing russian occupied territory and does not know how iewe— territory and does not know how iewe ewee— territory and does not know how long that could— territory and does not know how long that could take. kyiv eeewieeeiw— long that could take. kyiv previously said- long that could take. kyiv previously said it needed more weeeeiw— previously said it needed more western armoured vehicles before the western armoured vehicles before ewe wewe— western armoured vehicles before iwe wewe week— western armoured vehicles before the fight back could begin . you the fight back could begin. you can the fight back could begin. you eee— the fight back could begin. you eee ee— the fight back could begin. you can get more on— the fight back could begin. you can get more on all of these eeewiee— can get more on all of these eeewiee iw— can get more on all of these stories by visiting our website gb stories by visiting our website we wewe— stories by visiting our website we wewe — stories by visiting our website gb news .com .— stories by visiting our website gb news .com . let's get back to gb news .com. let's get back to wewe. — gb news .com. let's get back to wewe. wew—

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the nhs hospitals within three years. was developed s device, the nhs hospitals within three years. was developed bervice, which was developed by researchers— which was developed by researchers from university eeiieee— researchers from university college london, that's ucl, it iiieeie— college london, that's ucl, it filters toxins— college london, that's ucl, it filters toxins from the blood of people— filters toxins from the blood of eeeeie wiiw— filters toxins from the blood of people with liver— filters toxins from the blood of people with liver failure, thus eiiewiwe — people with liver failure, thus eiiewiwe ewe— people with liver failure, thus allowing the liver time to ieeeweieie— allowing the liver time to regenerate itself. now the liver is regenerate itself. now the liver ie ewe— regenerate itself. now the liver ie ee— regenerate itself. now the liver ie ee ewe— regenerate itself. now the liver is one of the most— regenerate itself. now the liver is one of the most forgiving ewewe—ie- organs, so it's able to regenerate— organs, so it's able to regenerate unlike organs, so it's able to- regenerate-unlike many regenerate itself. unlike many of regenerate itself. unlike many ee ewe— regenerate itself. unlike many of the others. _ regenerate itself. unlike many of the others. and it's hoped ewei— of the others. and it's hoped iweilewe— of the others. and it's hoped thatland-this- of the others. and it's hoped that and this machine is that if and when this machine is eewee— that if and when this machine is eeweei-.— that if and when this machine is ieiieel ie— that if and when this machine is rolled-, it will— that if and when this machine is rolled , it will greatly rolled out, it will greatly increase survival rates for ever— increase survival rates for liver failure— increase survival rates for liver failure and reduce the eewewe— liver failure and reduce the demand-liver- liver failure and reduce the demand liver transplants, demand for liver transplants, wwiew— demand for liver transplants, wwiew ie— demand for liver transplants, which is quite— demand for liver transplants, which is quite incredible . so which is quite incredible. so iei-e— which is quite incredible. so iee-e eeeek— which is quite incredible. so let's speak to— which is quite incredible. so let's speak to rajeev jalan . let's speak to rajeev jalan. wee— let's speak to rajeev jalan. we-e e— let's speak to rajeev jalan. he's a professor— let's speak to rajeev jalan. he's a professor of hepatology at he's a professor of hepatology ei ewe— he's a professor of hepatology at the university— he's a professor of hepatology at the university college iewiew. — at the university college london. wow— at the university college london. wow wow. that's amazing . iew-i— london. wow wow. that's amazing . iew-i iw— london. wow wow. that's amazing , isn't it? incredible.— london. wow wow. that's amazing , isn't it? incredible. wow iweww— , isn't it? incredible. wow iwewk wee.— , isn't it? incredible. wow thank you. thank you for having me thank you. thank you for having we were. — thank you. thank you for having we were. iee— thank you. thank you for having we were. we e— thank you. thank you for having me here. it's a pleasure. iieeeeee— me here. it's a pleasure. pleasure. talk- me here. it's a pleasure. pleasure. talk to me about this weewiwe— pleasure. talk to me about this weewiwe ewe— pleasure. talk to me about this machine and also— pleasure. talk to me about this machine and also ,_ pleasure. talk to me about this machine and also , who could it machine and also, who could it weie— machine and also, who could it weie e — machine and also, who could it weie e se— machine and also, who could it help ? so, look— machine and also, who could it help ? so, look ,_ machine and also, who could it help ? so, look , this- machine and also, who could it help ? tt?»2.t machine and also, who could it help? tt?2t help? so, look, this machine is designed to take out the nasty substances that accumulate when your liver does not work. and so therefore, this should— your liver does not work. and so therefore, this should be- . 2 and so therefore, this should be useful for therefore, this should be useful eee eeeiewee— therefore, this should be useful for patients with— therefore, this should be useful for patients with liver failure wie— for patients with liver failure wwe wewe— for patients with liver failure who have nearly— for patients with liver failure who have nearly 30% chances of dying —

who have nearly 30% chances of ewiwe wiewiw— who have nearly 30% chances of ewiwe wiiwiw ze— who have nearly 30% chances of dying within 28 days of hospitalisation . an so therefore hospitalisation. an so therefore it hospitalisation. an so therefore i ieeeeie— hospitalisation. an so therefore it targets nearly— hospitalisation. an so therefore it targets nearly i— hospitalisation. an so therefore it targets nearly i think, about 1.5 it targets nearly i think, about is wiiiiew— it targets nearly i think, about 1.5 million people around the wewe. — 1.5 million people around the wewe. weei.— 1.5 million people around the world. well, that- 1.5 million people around the world. well, that is- 1.5 million people around the world. »:2. world. well, that is quite incredible. and as i understood it, the person who actually created this machine spent years and years coming to this. and is it an adaptation of a kidney dialysis machine or is that how it works in a similar way as that ? right. it works in a similar way as that? right. yeah. so in kidney dialysis, kidneys are simple because they take out water soluble substances . that's what soluble substances. that's what a soluble substances. that's what e kidney— soluble substances. that's what a kidney dialysis— 2 that's what a kidney dialysis machine does. but a kidney dialysis machine does. we ever— a kidney dialysis machine does. we iiwei ie— a kidney dialysis machine does. but liver is this— a kidney dialysis machine does. but liver is this a— a kidney dialysis machine does. but liver is this a amazing eeeiew— but liver is this a amazing ieeieew ewee— but liver is this a amazing factory that controls the eeweeiew — factory that controls the function of _ factory that controls the function of all the organ eweiewe— function of all the organ eweiewe iw— function of all the organ systems in the- function of all the organ systems in the body? it is a weeeeeiie— systems in the body? it is a weieieeiie .— systems in the body? it is a metabolic . you— systems in the body? it is a metabolic . you know, it's metabolic. you know, it's a weieeeiie— metabolic. you know, it's a metabolic genius. it sort of iekee— metabolic genius. it sort of takes everything and organises ewewihiwe— takes everything and organises everything, organise , urges the everything, organise, urges the immune responses and also eeweeie— immune responses and also eeweeie ewe— immune responses and also controls the function of each eigen— controls the function of each eieew ee— controls the function of each eieew ei weei— controls the function of each organ of your body. so for iweeweee— organ of your body. so for instance, when- organ of your body. so for instance, when the liver fails ,

instance, when the liver fails, all instance, when the liver fails, eii ewe — instance, when the liver fails, all the organs— instance, when the liver fails, all the organs in— instance, when the liver fails, all the organs in the body fail . awe— all the organs in the body fail . awe ee— all the organs in the body fail . and so therefore— all the organs in the body fail . and so therefore we understood why— . and so therefore we understood www weee— . and so therefore we understood why these organs— . and so therefore we understood why these organs are failing, why— why these organs are failing, www ewe— why these organs are failing, www we ever— why these organs are failing, why the liver is— why these organs are failing, why the liver is not regenerating, and what this weewiwe— regenerating, and what this machine does— regenerating, and what this machine does is to take all iweee— machine does is to take all iweee weew— machine does is to take all these nasty substances out, such as these nasty substances out, such ee iwie— these nasty substances out, such ee iwie eeewe— these nasty substances out, such as this organs can— these nasty substances out, such as this organs can recover and we— as this organs can recover and we ever— as this organs can recover and we iiwei eew— as this organs can recover and the liver can regenerate it. iee— the liver can regenerate it. we eeiee— the liver can regenerate it. it's quite incredible- the liver can regenerate it. it's quite incredible that it can regenerate . i wish teeth can regenerate. i wish teeth would do the same thing. crocodiles can regenerate new teeth. that . they can teeth. you know that. they can keep teeth. we could teeth. you know that. they can keep more teeth. we could teeth. you know that. they can keep more teeth,�*i. we could teeth. you know that. they can keep more teeth, i'd we could teeth. you know that. they can keep more teeth, i'd be; could teeth. you know that. they can keep more teeth, i'd be so>uld make more teeth, i'd be so happy. but but speaking this happy. but but speaking of this , though. so somebody with liver failure , this could help. failure, this could help. what about like liver cancer about things like liver cancer and stuff like could could and stuff like that? could could parts cancer be taken out parts of the cancer be taken out and allow the and then you could allow the liver and liver to regenerate and regenerate cells? yeah regenerate healthy cells? yeah absolutely right. so, wow, you know, absolutely right. so, wow, you knew wee— absolutely right. so, wow, you know, you could— absolutely right. so, wow, you know, you could take- 2222 2 2 so, wow, you know, you could take out more 2222» 2 2 so, wow, you know, you could take out more of the know, you could take out more of we ever— know, you could take out more of we iiwei ii— know, you could take out more of the liver if there's— know, you could take out more of the liver if there's liver cancer. but— the liver if there's liver cancer. but course , this cancer. but of course, this eeeie— cancer. but of course, this eewe-iw- cancer. but of course, this could - in people i cancer. but of course, this. could-in people with could be used in people with severe sepsis.— could be used in people with severe sepsis. right it could be eeei— severe sepsis. right it could be eeei iw— severe sepsis. right it could be eeee iw eeewie— severe sepsis. right it could be used in people getting serious eieweiieeeew— used in people getting serious chemotherapy, which damages the ever— chemotherapy, which damages the iiwei ewe— chemotherapy, which damages the liver and produces— chemotherapy, which damages the liver and produces multi—organ ieiieie. — liver and produces multi—organ ieiieie. se— liver and produces multi—organ ieiieie. se eww— liver and produces multi—organ failure. so any syndrome that is eeeeeieeee— failure. so any syndrome that is associated with— failure. so any syndrome that is

associated with cytokine storm ewe— associated with cytokine storm ewe wee— associated with cytokine storm ewe wee ewewe— associated with cytokine storm and you might remember this word eeewie— and you might remember this word eewe. ewe— and you might remember this word covm, the cowo— and you might remember this word covid, the covid world. yeah. wie— covid, the covid world. yeah. we weeie— covid, the covid world. yeah. who would be— covid, the covid world. yeah. who would be helped by this weewiwe— who would be helped by this weewiwe e — who would be helped by this machine ? 1?’ who would be helped by this machine ? 1“ 2 machine? really? because obviously the cytokine storm is when your immune system literally everything, it literally attacks everything, it becomes and becomes over hyperactive and then starts attacking all your vital and eventually then starts attacking all your vital it and eventually then starts attacking all your vital it will and eventually then starts attacking all your vital it will take eventually then starts attacking all your vital it will take you1tually then starts attacking all your vital it will take you outlly will. it will take you out unless you stop the immune system from doing that. but of course, stop immune course, if you stop the immune system from working, then you are to any kind are now vulnerable to any kind of well. i of infection as well. as i understand. yeah. understand. exactly. yeah. that's this that's interesting. so this machine , how soon can it be out machine, how soon can it be out there? i mean, you know, people will this thinking, will be hearing this thinking, gosh, got gosh, i know somebody who's got liver failure. liver cancer, liver failure. where can get on this machine? where can i get on this machine? or where can find out more or where can they find out more ? so at this moment in time , it ? so at this moment in time, it is ? so at this moment in time, it ie we— ? so at this moment in time, it is not available— ? so at this moment in time, it is not available for— 7’ so at this moment in time, it is not available for general we— is not available for general use. we are still looking for funding— use. we are still looking for funding iw— use. we are still looking for funding in order— use. we are still looking for funding in order to do the final eiiwieei— funding in order to do the final clinical trials. _ funding in order to do the final clinical trials. so— funding in order to do the final clinical trials. so we think we weee— clinical trials. so we think we need ee— clinical trials. so we think we weee ee ee— clinical trials. so we think we need to do one— clinical trials. so we think we need to do one more clinical ewei— need to do one more clinical wiei ee— need to do one more clinical trial to show— need to do one more clinical trial to show as— need to do one more clinical trial to show as to the benefits we— trial to show as to the benefits we we— trial to show as to the benefits we we wewe— trial to show as to the benefits that we have found with its use in ee— that we have found with its use in our current— that we have found with its use in our current trial— that we have found with its use in our current trial translates iwee— in our current trial translates into improvement in survival. so we— into improvement in survival. so we ie— into improvement in survival. so we ie ewe— into improvement in survival. so that is one study— into improvement in survival. so that is one study that we still weee— that is one study that we still need ee—

that is one study that we still need ee ee— that is one study that we still need ee ee .— that is one study that we still need to do , and— that is one study that we still need to do , and that's why we need to do, and that's why we think— need to do, and that's why we think we— need to do, and that's why we think we need— need to do, and that's why we think we need three years to get it think we need three years to get i e— think we need three years to get i e weewe— think we need three years to get it to patent agents— think we need three years to get it to patent agents in every nhs weeeieei— it to patent agents in every nhs weeeieei ee— it to patent agents in every nhs hospital so that— it to patent agents in every nhs hospital so that these patients can access them.— hospital so that these patients can access them. so is there a ewei— can access them. so is there a we we— can access them. so is there a trial that people— can access them. so is there a trial that people want to be iieeewiwe— trial that people want to be iieeewiwe ei— trial that people want to be listening or watching this ewiwkiwe— listening or watching this thinking, wow, i you know, eeeeeee wee— thinking, wow, i you know, because, you know, this could be eeweeeew-e— because, you know, this could be somebody's last— because, you know, this could be somebody's last hope to do a wiei. — somebody's last hope to do a wiei. ie— somebody's last hope to do a trial. is there— somebody's last hope to do a trial. is there somewhere they can get in touch if they can be part of this trial ? but at the part of this trial? but at the wewewe— part of this trial? but at the wewewe ewe— part of this trial? but at the moment, the trial- part of this trial? but at the moment, the trial is- 2” ?27 but at the moment, the trial is not running . we— moment, the trial is not running . we ee— moment, the trial is not running . we eeiii— moment, the trial is not running . we are still looking for funds in eweei— . we are still looking for funds in eweei ee— . we are still looking for funds in order to start— . we are still looking for funds in order to start that trial . in order to start that trial. wee— in order to start that trial. we we— in order to start that trial. we we ee— in order to start that trial. but we are hopeful that we eweeie— but we are hopeful that we eweeie ee— but we are hopeful that we should be able— but we are hopeful that we should be able to start that wiewiw— should be able to start that within wie— should be able to start that within this year. _ should be able to start that within this year. well how do you— within this year. well how do wee eee— within this year. well how do wee eee ewe— within this year. well how do you get the funds? 2 �*" you get the funds? because if anyone's watching, listening, who you, who can help help fund you, because that's an incredible thing save many, thing and it could save many, many the quicker you thing and it could save many, marget the quicker you thing and it could save many, marget it the quicker you thing and it could save many, marget it out the quicker you thing and it could save many, marget it out the and:ker you thing and it could save many, marget it out theand testyou can get it out there and test it, better, right ? it, the better, right? absolutely right. absolutely right“. so absolutely right. so ucl eeewiee— absolutely right. so ucl charities or— absolutely right. so ucl charities or royal free hospital eeewiee— charities or royal free hospital eweiieiee ei— charities or royal free hospital charities or ucl— charities or royal free hospital charities or ucl charities will weew— charities or ucl charities will very happily— charities or ucl charities will very happily receive any funds we— very happily receive any funds we ewweeew— very happily receive any funds that anybody wants to donate eeweiee— that anybody wants to donate towards bringing this trial eeweei—

towards bringing this trial eeeweie . — towards bringing this trial forward . well,- towards bringing this trial forward . 152222 2 t towards bringing this trial forward. 122222 2 t 1? , forward. well, listen, rajiv, it's been fantastic talking to you. very inspirational. i'm so happy to hear that. and hopefully it will be something that be out very, that will be rolled out very, very rajiv jalan, who's very quickly. rajiv jalan, who's a professor of hepatology at university college london, thank you much. right. it's you so much. right. well, it's now for this week's now time for this week's political spotlight . and today political spotlight. and today i'm joined by the former first minister of northern ireland, arlene foster. now, arlene had two stints as first minister from 2016 to 2017. and then 2020 to 2021 with prominent former ira leader martin mcguinness serving as deputy first minister dunng serving as deputy first minister during her first term. now she was also the first woman to hold the position of northern ireland's first minister. part of arlene also served as of that, arlene also served as minister enterprise and minister for enterprise and investment and also minister for finance and personnel. so since her resignation as first minister in 2021, arlene has entered the house of lords as a non—affiliated peer and become a presenter on gb news. now, i'm pleased to say she's here in the studio with fabulous studio with the fabulous arlene foster. so nice to meet foster. arlene. so nice to meet you.thank foster. arlene. so nice to meet you. thank you. nana an you. thank you. nana what an amazing , you

amazing story, because, you know, when you have liver failure , normally the only failure, normally the only way you is transplant you deal with that is transplant . yeah. imagine if you could ieeeweieee— . yeah. imagine if you could regenerate-again] regenerate your liver again. i think— regenerate your liver again. i ewwe-iee— regenerate your liver again. i think just amazing . think that's just amazing. weei.— think that's just amazing. weei. iee— think that's just amazing. well, it's beautiful- think that's just amazing. well, it's beautiful because you can but can regenerate the liver, but not in time, usually. this not in time, usually. so this is a stalling the a way of sort of stalling the fabulous . but it's so good to fabulous. but it's so good to see you all. about you. it's all about arlene. arlene, it's so good to talk to you because i remember i watched you on tv. i remember i watched you on tv. i remember the days of gerry adams when he couldn't you know, he didn't . the voiceover, didn't speak. and the voiceover, which was all very silly, really, thought. you know really, i thought. but, you know , suppose reasoning was , i suppose the reasoning was there. what you into there. but what brought you into politics with? well, i politics to begin with? well, i suppose that'slvery- suppose that's a very interesting- suppose that's a very interesting came interesting question. i came wew— interesting question. i came eew—ee- interesting question. i came eew—e wwl interesting question. i came- from _of my father from a background of my father wee-eeweei. - from a background of my father was-officer. he- from a background of my father was-officer. he was. was a police officer. he was eeeeekee— was a police officer. he was attacked by the ira . as a was a police officer. he was- attacked by the ira. as a result of that, we had— attacked by the ira. as a result of that, we had to— attacked by the ira. as a result of that, we had to move- 2: 1 as a result of that, we had to move home and i of that, we had to move home and i — of that, we had to move home and iwe eiwewe— of that, we had to move home and i was always interested in eeiieiee— i was always interested in politics and— i was always interested in politics and history. and i eew-e— politics and history. and i eew-e ewew— politics and history. and i don't know whether that's weee— don't know whether that's eeee ee— don't know whether that's because of what happened in my eeweei— because of what happened in my father-whether— because of what happened in my father whether would father or whether i would have eeew— father or whether i would have ieew—ewwe.- father or whether i would have ieew—awwwew. i- father or whether i would have been anyway, i tend been interested. anyway, i tend to been interested. anyway, i tend ee ewiwk— been interested. anyway, i tend ee think i— been interested. anyway, i tend to think i probably have to think i probably would have eeew— to think i probably would have been,_involvedj been, but i really got involved in eeiieiee— been, but i really got involved in politics when— been, but i really got involved in politics when i— been, but i really got involved in politics when i went to ewiweieiew— in politics when i went to university up— in politics when i went to university up in belfast, eeee—

university up in belfast, queen's university, i got iwweiwee— queen's university, i got involved in— queen's university, i got involved in student politics and ewew— involved in student politics and then-involved— involved in student politics and then involved mainstream then got involved in mainstream eeiieiee— then got involved in mainstream eeiieiee ewei— then got involved in mainstream politics after that. _ then got involved in mainstream politics after that. so it has eiwewe— politics after that. so it has eiwewe eeew— politics after that. so it has always been about politics, eeeee— always been about politics, about advocating for the united kingdom— about advocating for the united kingdom ewe— about advocating for the united kingdom and for— about advocating for the united kingdom and for parts of the uk, eeewiwe— kingdom and for parts of the uk, eeewiwe weewee.— kingdom and for parts of the uk, staying together. and so it eeiii— staying together. and so it still remains— staying together. and so it still remains today. staying together. and so it still remains today . /2. still remains today. you must wewe— still remains today. you must wewe eeew— still remains today. you must have been sort of young during the troubles in northern ireland. what was that like ireland. sure what was that like to through? because to live through? because i watched on the tv and you'd hear about be another about there'd be another bomb or there the there was a bomb underneath the police a bomb police car or there was a bomb under something. and i under this or something. and i remember of the remember being terrified of the whole the and whole prospect of the ira. and they were major terrorists. they were the major terrorists. i of isis i mean, we hadn't heard of isis or that. mean, or anything like that. i mean, you almost feels you know, the ira almost feels slightly compared to people slightly tame compared to people like really . like isis. but but it really. what was it like during that time ? well, i was born in 1970, time? well, i was born in 1970, so time? well, i was born in 1970, ee i— time? well, i was born in 1970, ee i we— time? well, i was born in 1970, ee i ieew— time? well, i was born in 1970, so i was born just— time? well, i was born in 1970, so i was born just at- 2 t27 well, i was born in 1970, so i was born just at the beginning.— so i was born just at the beginning, if— so i was born just at the beginning, if you like, of the eeewiee— beginning, if you like, of the troubles,-was- beginning, if you like, of the troubles, was the troubles, because i was the ewiie— troubles, because i was the ewiie ee— troubles, because i was the ewiie e e— troubles, because i was the child of a police- troubles, because i was the child of a police officer. vieiewee— child of a police officer. violence did— child of a police officer. violence did come to my door. awe— violence did come to my door. awe weew— violence did come to my door. awe when i— violence did come to my door. and when i look— violence did come to my door. and when i look back now, i had a and when i look back now, i had ewew— and when i look back now, i had ewew weeew— and when i look back now, i had a very happy childhood , but it a very happy childhood, but it was an abnormal— a very happy childhood, but it was an abnormal childhood. oewieeeiw— was an abnormal childhood. obviously because you were iiwiwe — obviously because you were living through— obviously because you were living through violence, you weee—ewe- were living through the news ewew— were living through the news ewew ewewiwe— were living through the news every evening that someone had

eeew— every evening that someone had been kiiiee— every evening that someone had been killed or— every evening that someone had been killed or there had been an eeeeweeee— been killed or there had been an attempted murder.— been killed or there had been an attempted murder. so it was ieeiiw— attempted murder. so it was ieeiiw ew— attempted murder. so it was really an abnormal time. and i'm weew— really an abnormal time. and i'm eeew-ewee— really an abnormal time. and i'm eeew-ewee ww— really an abnormal time. and i'm very that my children very thankful that my children eew-e— very thankful that my children eew-e eeew— very thankful that my children we grow ee— very thankful that my children don't grow up with that sort of ieekeeeewe— don't grow up with that sort of background-their- don't grow up with that sort of background their youth and to background to their youth and to growing— background to their youth and to growing ee— background to their youth and to growing ee ewe— background to their youth and to growing up and now when someone is growing up and now when someone ie eweekee— growing up and now when someone ie eweekee .— growing up and now when someone is attacked , it's— growing up and now when someone is attacked , it's a— growing up and now when someone is attacked , it's a very big is attacked, it's a very big eeew— is attacked, it's a very big story because— is attacked, it's a very big story because it- is attacked, it's a very big story because it doesn't happen weew— story because it doesn't happen wew ewew— story because it doesn't happen weew ewew ewe— story because it doesn't happen very often and that's good. and we wewe— very often and that's good. and we wewe ee— very often and that's good. and we want to eradicate it eeweieeeiw. — we want to eradicate it completely. of course , you know, completely. of course, you know, you— completely. of course, you know, wee wee— completely. of course, you know, wee ewe— completely. of course, you know, you were the first— completely. of course, you know, you were the first female wiwieeei— you were the first female minister in— you were the first female minister in ireland. you were the first female minister in ireland . minister in ireland. what has ewee— minister in ireland. what has the eeew— minister in ireland. what has that been like? because obviously you share a similar nicola sturgeon. have you met her? yeah. what's she like? is she what's she she all right? good. what's she like? well, strange like? well, the strange thing wee—weee- like? well, the strange thing was—first when i like? well, the strange thing. was—first when iwas was when i was first when i was eewee— was when i was first when i was eeweie. ewee— was when i was first when i was female. first minister nicola seeieeew— sturgeon was in scotland. iweieee— sturgeon was in scotland. theresa-was- sturgeon was in scotland. theresa was here as prime theresa may was here as prime eeweei.— theresa may was here as prime iiiwieeei. ee— theresa may was here as prime minister. so there— theresa may was here as prime minister. so there were quite a few— minister. so there were quite a few eeweiee— minister. so there were quite a few females around at the time eewee— few females around at the time eeeeeiiw. se— few females around at the time eeeeeiiw. se i— few females around at the time actually. so i mean i hadn't ieeiieee— actually. so i mean i hadn't realised actually— actually. so i mean i hadn't realised actually how important it realised actually how important ie we— realised actually how important ie eee— realised actually how important ie eee weewe— realised actually how important it was for young women to look ewe— it was for young women to look ewe eee— it was for young women to look ewe e— it was for young women to look and see a woman— it was for young women to look and see a woman in that position ewei— and see a woman in that position eweii i— and see a woman in that position eweii i eeeeeee— and see a woman in that position until i stepped down. and when i eeewiee— until i stepped down. and when i eeeeeee eeew— until i stepped down. and when i eeeeeee eeww i— until i stepped down. and when i stepped down i received numerous eeweeeweee— stepped down i received numerous eeweeeweee wew— stepped down i received numerous corresponds from young women eewiwe— corresponds from young women eewiwe we— corresponds from young women eewiwe we wee— corresponds from young women saying we were really glad to

see a woman in— saying we were really glad to see a woman in that position. it wee— see a woman in that position. it wee iweeiiee— see a woman in that position. it has inspired us— see a woman in that position. it has inspired us to— see a woman in that position. it has inspired us to get involved in wweeewei— has inspired us to get involved in whatever they— has inspired us to get involved in whatever they were involved. awe— in whatever they were involved. awe ewee-e— in whatever they were involved. and that's really— in whatever they were involved. and that's really inspiring. iee— and that's really inspiring. ie-e ieeiiw— and that's really inspiring. it's really encouraging to me we— it's really encouraging to me we weewee— it's really encouraging to me that younger women have looked on that younger women have looked ew ewe— that younger women have looked ew ewe eee.— that younger women have looked on and said, well,— that younger women have looked on and said, well, thank you for eeiwe— on and said, well, thank you for eeiwe ewee— on and said, well, thank you for doing that, because now we're eeewe— doing that, because now we're eeewe-iw— doing that, because now we're getting in politics or getting involved in politics or eeewe— getting involved in politics or we're getting involved in public getting involved in politics or we'rithat'sig involved in public getting involved in politics or we'rithat's important. �*1 public getting involved in politics or we'rithat's important. �*vwiti?2.ic getting involved in politics or we'rithat's important. life. that's important. what was it life. that's important. what was ie eke— life. that's important. what was it like doing that job? it was tough. i loved being- 2 2 »:2 t2 7 it was tough. i loved being the leader of tough. i loved being the leader ee wewweiw— tough. i loved being the leader of northern ireland. i loved being— of northern ireland. i loved being ew— of northern ireland. i loved being an advocate for northern weiewe— being an advocate for northern weiewe ewe— being an advocate for northern ireland and telling the world ewee— ireland and telling the world wwee e— ireland and telling the world what a wonderful place it was is. what a wonderful place it was ie. we— what a wonderful place it was ie. we eee— what a wonderful place it was is. but look, there— what a wonderful place it was is. but look, there were many , is. but look, there were many, weww— is. but look, there were many, many challenges. _ is. but look, there were many, many challenges. and the system of many challenges. and the system ee eeweiwwewe— many challenges. and the system of government we _ many challenges. and the system of government we have in wewweiw— of government we have in northern ireland, where all of the northern ireland, where all of we eeewiee— northern ireland, where all of the parties are— northern ireland, where all of the parties are actually in the exeeeeiwe— the parties are actually in the executive -the _ the parties are actually in the executive the dup to sinn executive from the dup to sinn ieiw— executive from the dup to sinn ieiw weee— executive from the dup to sinn fein, makes it— executive from the dup to sinn fein, makes it very difficult to ewe— fein, makes it very difficult to eiwe eewwew— fein, makes it very difficult to find common ground . and that's find common ground. and that's weee— find common ground. and that's wwee wee— find common ground. and that's wwee wee eeewe— find common ground. and that's what you spend most of time what you spend most of your time eewe.— doing. you spend every day weeeeieeiwe— doing. you spend every day negotiating to— doing. you spend every day negotiating to try and find that common ground— negotiating to try and find that common ground .— negotiating to try and find that common ground . so it can be common ground. so it can be eeweeeeiwe— common ground. so it can be exhausting, but— common ground. so it can be exhausting, but it— common ground. so it can be exhausting, but it was something i exhausting, but it was something i eee— exhausting, but it was something i eeie weew— exhausting, but it was something ieew weew proud— exhausting, but it was something i felt very proud of— exhausting, but it was something i felt very proud of doing and i was honoured— i felt very proud of doing and i was honoured to— i felt very proud of doing and i was honoured to do it as well. awe— was honoured to do it as well. awe ie— was honoured to do it as well. awe ie we— was honoured to do it as well. and it was fulfilling at times , and it was fulfilling at times, but and it was fulfilling at times, we weew— and it was fulfilling at times, we weew. weew— and it was fulfilling at times, but very, very challenging. nana weee— but very, very challenging. nana because when— but very, very challenging. nana because when brexit happened ,

because when brexit happened, you because when brexit happened, wee wee— because when brexit happened, wee wee.— because when brexit happened, you were well, you would have eeew— you were well, you would have been ee— you were well, you would have been ee ewe— you were well, you would have been at the helm— you were well, you would have been at the helm then, weren't you? — been at the helm then, weren't you? vee— been at the helm then, weren't you? wee. awe— been at the helm then, weren't you? “25 ' t: 2 2 t you? yes. and because i can remember that everyone was saying dup have by saying the dup have got us by the short curlies, the dup the short and curlies, the dup are because had are in charge because you had that little you know, we. that little bit. you know, we. what was it like then during the brexit and are you glad brexit thing? and are you glad that happened? well, that brexit has happened? well, i was in favour of brexit. 2 :7 well, i was in favour of brexit. i'm eeew— i was in favour of brexit. i'm eeew ie— i was in favour of brexit. i'm eeew ie weewe— i was in favour of brexit. i'm sorry it hasn't developed in the eeewiew— sorry it hasn't developed in the eeewiew ie— sorry it hasn't developed in the fashion it has— sorry it hasn't developed in the fashion it has because of eweeiwei— fashion it has because of external events such as covid. we external events such as covid. we wewew-e— external events such as covid. we haven't been— external events such as covid. we haven't been able to take the eeeewewieiee— we haven't been able to take the eeeewewieiee ee— we haven't been able to take the opportunities as a— we haven't been able to take the opportunities as a country that weee—ew- opportunities as a country that we_been taking. opportunities as a country that we_been taking ,i opportunities as a country that. we_been taking , and we should have been taking, and i'm we should have been taking, and i-w-weeeeei— we should have been taking, and i'm .hopeful that— we should have been taking, and i'm hopeful that we can i'm still hopeful that we can put— i'm still hopeful that we can we ee— i'm still hopeful that we can we eieee— i'm still hopeful that we can put our place in— i'm still hopeful that we can put our place in the world. and it's put our place in the world. and we eeei— put our place in the world. and we eeei ee— put our place in the world. and it's good to see— put our place in the world. and it's good to see us— put our place in the world. and it's good to see us out there eeeiw— it's good to see us out there eeeiw eeiwe— it's good to see us out there again doing those trade deals. awe— again doing those trade deals. awe-wewe— again doing those trade deals. awe-wewe ee— again doing those trade deals. and .want to-more- again doing those trade deals. and want to more of that. and we want to see more of that. we— and we want to see more of that. we wee— and we want to see more of that. we wee ee— and we want to see more of that. but yes, so brexit— and we want to see more of that. but yes, so brexit happened in zeie— but yes, so brexit happened in zeie ewew— but yes, so brexit happened in 2016 when theresa may kyiv eeiiee— 2016 when theresa may kyiv eeiiee e— 2016 when theresa may kyiv called a general— 2016 when theresa may kyiv called a general election very eeeeewiw— called a general election very eeeeewiw . — called a general election very suddenly. you— called a general election very suddenly. you will- called a general election very suddenly . 2/22. 22 suddenly. you will remember she should never have done that at easter time. and when she did ewee— easter time. and when she did we ewe— easter time. and when she did that, she came— easter time. and when she did that, she came back- 2 and when she did that, she came back with with not that, she came back with with we iee— that, she came back with with not just enough— that, she came back with with not just enough people to form a ewew-ewew. — not just enough people to form a ewew-ewew. awe— not just enough people to form a majority. and therefore she came to majority. and therefore she came ee ee— majority. and therefore she came ee ee eeewe— majority. and therefore she came ee ee eeewe-ee— majority. and therefore she came to us asking to support her to us asking us to support her in e— to us asking us to support her in a confidence— to us asking us to support her in a confidence and supply eeeeewewe— in a confidence and supply eeeeewewe .— in a confidence and supply agreement . so— in a confidence and supply agreement . so that was a huge agreement. so that was a huge wewewe — agreement. so that was a huge wewewe iwe—

agreement. so that was a huge moment. the dup— agreement. so that was a huge moment. the dup get lot moment. the dup get a lot of wewew— moment. the dup get a lot of wewew eweeew. — moment. the dup get a lot of money, though. 2»2»2 money, though. well, we got money, though. well, we got money for northern ireland. i mean, didn't get for mean, we didn't get it for ourselves. we got it for wewweiw— ourselves. we got it for- northern _ actually ourselves. we got it for- northern_actually , northern ireland. and actually, as northern ireland. and actually, ee—ewee— northern ireland. and actually, ee—ewee we- northern ireland. and actually, as_that, we have. northern ireland. and actually, as that, we have the as a result of that, we have the wee— as a result of that, we have the best broadband— as a result of that, we have the best broadband infrastructure ewwwweie— best broadband infrastructure ewwwweie iw— best broadband infrastructure anywhere in the— best broadband infrastructure anywhere in the united kingdom. and anywhere in the united kingdom. awe—ee— anywhere in the united kingdom. awe—e ewee- and i'm very proud of that weee— and i'm very proud of thatj because—living and i'm very proud of that. because—living in and i'm very proud of that- because_living in the because now people living in the wee— because now people living in the wee weeeeiiw— because now people living in the most westerly part— because now people living in the most westerly part of the united kingdom— most westerly part of the united kingdom wewe— most westerly part of the united kingdom have the— most westerly part of the united kingdom have the best broadband. wee.— kingdom have the best broadband. weii. ie— kingdom have the best broadband. well, is something— kingdom have the best broadband. well, is something to be said . well, is something to be said. ieewe— well, is something to be said. iwee-e—eweee- well, is something to be said. i that's—shout about. that's something to shout about. no, it? because that's something to shout about. no, all it? because that's something to shout about. no, all about it? because that's something to shout about. no, all about itt? because that's something to shout about. no, all about it meansuse that's something to shout about. no, all about it means so much it's all about it means so much to people homework to young people doing homework to young people doing homework to who have to work from to people who have to work from home, do people who have their own businesses. it's very iweewewe— own businesses. it's very important that— it's very important that we're connected . important that we're connected. awe— important that we're connected. awe-ewewe— important that we're connected. and-unionist do- important that we're connected. and unionist do mean and if the unionist do mean ewwewiwe— and if the unionist do mean anything-about- and if the unionist do mean anything about connecting anything, it's about connecting the anything, it's about connecting ewe-ewe— anything, it's about connecting the-the union,- anything, it's about connecting the-the union, not. anything, it's about connecting the the union, not just the whole of the union, not just the whole of the union, not just ewe-ewe— the whole of the union, not just the-and cities,- the whole of the union, not just the-and cities, but- the whole of the union, not just the and cities, but the the towns and cities, but the eewei— the towns and cities, but the eewei-wew- - the towns and cities, but the rural-well. ibut. rural areas as well. but speaking— rural areas as well. but speaking connecting speaking of connecting the union, that's union, do you think that's likely northern is you know, it's republic of ireland now. you can't southern ireland you can't say southern ireland anymore. right? well anymore. is that right? well they like to be called just ireland. ireland. republic ireland. ireland. the republic of ireland. ireland. the republic ee—ie- ireland. ireland. the republic ee—ie ie- ireland. ireland. the republic ee—ie ie iikeiwl of ireland actually is it likely we— of ireland actually is it likely that there'll_ of ireland actually is it likely that there'll be _ of ireland actually is it likely that there'll be a unificationi wee—twink now of ireland, do you think we— now of ireland, do you think ewee-wee— now of ireland, do you think that-fact-the- now of ireland, do you think that fact the way the that the fact that the way the eeewie— that the fact that the way the eeewe eeei— that the fact that the way the brexit deal has— that the fact that the way the brexit deal has occurred means why— brexit deal has occurred means why-sav— brexit deal has occurred means www-eew wee - brexit deal has occurred means www-eew wee se- brexit deal has occurred means why-say no? so no,- brexit deal has occurred means why say no? brexit deal has occurred means. why-say no? so no, i say why do you say no? so no, i say no so because the no so quickly because the

benefits of being in the united kingdom stark and i think kingdom are stark and i think anyone who looks at culturally, politically, socially , politically, socially, economically, you're much better to be in the united kingdom . to be in the united kingdom. and of course, it's something i eeiiewe— and of course, it's something i eeiiewe iw— and of course, it's something i eeiiewe iw weew— and of course, it's something i believe in very strongly and eeweewiwe— believe in very strongly and eeweewiwe i— believe in very strongly and something i will continue to eeweeeee— something i will continue to advocate for, _ something i will continue to advocate for, whether people are in eeweei.— advocate for, whether people are in scotland, wales,— advocate for, whether people are in scotland, wales, england or in scotland, wales, england or in wewweiw— in scotland, wales, england or in northern ireland. t: ”2 in northern ireland. and you're part— in northern ireland. and you're eew ef— in northern ireland. and you're eew ee ewe— in northern ireland. and you're part of the house lords. do part of the house of lords. do you? you go there much? you? do you go there much? what's what's the deal with it? are not affiliated. so are you. i'm not affiliated. so i things that i want i choose the things that i want to i choose the things that i want ee eee— i choose the things that i want to get involved— i choose the things that i want to get involved in— i choose the things that i want to get involved in and recently i-we— to get involved in and recently he eeew— to get involved in and recently i've been taking— to get involved in and recently i've been taking part in the ewiiwe— i've been taking part in the online safety— i've been taking part in the online safety bill about eieeeeeiwe— online safety bill about protecting our young people. i think— protecting our young people. i think ewee-e— protecting our young people. i think that's really important. we think that's really important. we-e— think that's really important. we-e eieieei- think that's really important. we a digital world, but we live in a digital world, but our we live in a digital world, but eee-ewe— we live in a digital world, but eee-ewe ee— we live in a digital world, but our and our regulations are our laws and our regulations are not our laws and our regulations are wee-ee— our laws and our regulations are weelee eweei— our laws and our regulations are not-to speed with— our laws and our regulations are not to speed with that not up to speed with that eieieei— not up to speed with that digital world, _ not up to speed with that digital world, and it will eiwewe— digital world, and it will eiwewe ee— digital world, and it will always be very difficult be always be very difficult to be eweei— always be very difficult to be eweei-eewe- always be very difficult to be ahead-game in- always be very difficult to be ahead game in terms of ahead of the game in terms of eieieei— ahead of the game in terms of digital-action. - ahead of the game in terms of digital-action. .ii digital regulation action. so i do digital regulation action. so i ee-iweeieee- digital regulation action. so i do-interest in- digital regulation action. so i do-interest in the- digital regulation action. so i do interest in the house do take an interest in the house of do take an interest in the house ee eewee— do take an interest in the house ee ieiee ewe— do take an interest in the house of lords andimust_ do take an interest in the house of lords and must say nana, of lords and i must say nana, iw— of lords and i must say nana, i-w-ewiewiwe— of lords and i must say nana, i-w-ewiewiwelee- i'm really enjoying it as well. weew— i'm really enjoying it as well. weee-ewee. — i'm really enjoying it as well. yeah, - great. . love- i'm really enjoying it as well. yeah,-great. .love to. i'm really enjoying it as well. yeah, .great. .love to bei yeah, it's great. i'd love to be in of at some in the house of lords at some point. i'll put in a point. what about i'll put in a wee— point. what about i'll put in a weee-wee.— point. what about i'll put in a word .you. thank— what about i'll put in a word you. thank you. word for you. thank you. but i ewiwk— word for you. thank you. but i ewiwi ewee-e— word for you. thank you. but i think that's the way it works around there, isn't now around there, isn't it? now let's to modern day

let's let's come to modern day politics then. we've got the covid inquiry. in my mind, i'm thinking you thinking i don't really you know, really want to know, i don't really want to go on done. we're on about it. it's done. we're living in a world of hindsight, when you say, oh, well, if people are saying, oh, well, we knew space knew within a very short space of wasn't that of time the virus wasn't that bad, we did. bad, i don't think we did. i didn't know. i mean, what's your view on this inquiry? is view on this covid inquiry? is it i'm to it necessary? well, i'm going to be inquiry because, it necessary? well, i'm going to be course, inquiry because, it necessary? well, i'm going to becourse, i inquiry because, it necessary? well, i'm going to be course, i firstiry because, it necessary? well, i'm going to becourse, i first minister se, of course, i was first minister at that the covid at the time that the covid regulations were taking place across uk. so i'm actually across the uk. so i'm actually going— across the uk. so i'm actually eeiwelewe— across the uk. so i'm actually going-the cowo— 2 so i'm actually going the covid inquiry in going to the covid inquiry in the wee— going to the covid inquiry in the near future.— going to the covid inquiry in the near future. so i have to be eeieeei— the near future. so i have to be eeieeei ewe— the near future. so i have to be careful and _the- the near future. so i have to be careful and the inquiry careful and respect the inquiry . eee— careful and respect the inquiry . eee i— careful and respect the inquiry . eee i ewiwk— careful and respect the inquiry . but i think it's— careful and respect the inquiry . but i think it's right that eeewie— . but i think it's right that eeeeie eee— . but i think it's right that people get answers and i think accountability— people get answers and i think accountability right way accountability is the right way eeeweie. — accountability is the right way forward.ithink_ accountability is the right way forward. think what frustrate forward. i think what frustrate people— forward. i think what frustrate eeeeie ie— forward. i think what frustrate eeeeie ie we— forward. i think what frustrate people is the fact that it is going— people is the fact that it is eeiweleeke— people is the fact that it is going take period going to take a long period of wewe— going to take a long period of wewe-ewe— going to take a long period of time .the world - going to take a long period of time the world does move on time and the world does move on weew— time and the world does move on weew quickly— time and the world does move on very quickly nowadays . mean, very quickly nowadays. i mean, we're sitting here, we're eeeiiwe— we're sitting here, we're dealing with— we're sitting here, we're dealing with other things and eewe— dealing with other things and covid seems— dealing with other things and covid seems a— dealing with other things and covid seems a distant memory, but covid seems a distant memory, eee ww— covid seems a distant memory, but my goodness,— covid seems a distant memory, but my goodness, nana it was a eewieie— but my goodness, nana it was a eewieie ewe.— but my goodness, nana it was a terrible time. i— but my goodness, nana it was a terrible time. i remember. yes, it terrible time. i remember. yes, ie we— terrible time. i remember. yes, i e— terrible time. i remember. yes, it was a terrible— terrible time. i remember. yes, it was a terrible time. taking ewew— it was a terrible time. taking ewew eeewiee— it was a terrible time. taking away people's freedoms for the eee— away people's freedoms for the wee ee— away people's freedoms for the best of reasons— away people's freedoms for the best of reasons at— away people's freedoms for the best of reasons at the time. but ewee— best of reasons at the time. but wwee we— best of reasons at the time. but wwee we weee— best of reasons at the time. but what we need to— best of reasons at the time. but what we need to go back and look

at what we need to go back and look ee eeeie— what we need to go back and look ee eeeie we— what we need to go back and look at could we have— what we need to go back and look at could we have done things eiweieweiwe— at could we have done things differently? what are the ieeeewe— differently? what are the lessons we _ differently? what are the lessons we can learn from that? awe— lessons we can learn from that? awe-weew— lessons we can learn from that? awe-weeie-ie- and what would happen if eeweewiwe— and what would happen if something like that was to come? aeeiw— something like that was to come? aeeiw we— something like that was to come? aeeiw welewie— something like that was to come? again, we.this all— something like that was to come? again, we.this all the- something like that was to come? again, we .this all the time,- again, we do this all the time, don't we? and then the phrase lessons be learned then lessons will be learned and then we come back. it's like a cycle. it feel it is a cycle. it doesn't feel like going to learn like we're going to learn anything. if do, we anything. and even if we do, we probably heed of it, probably won't take heed of it, you but half of me you know? but in half of me thinks, yes, it's relevant. bofis thinks, yes, it's relevant. boris with his phones, though, thinks, yes, it's relevant. borisgiving1is phones, though, thinks, yes, it's relevant. borisgiving allzihones, though, thinks, yes, it's relevant. borisgiving all the ies, though, thinks, yes, it's relevant. borisgiving all the information he's giving all the information . he's doing . do you think that he's doing that? really he's got that? because really he's got nothing mean, nothing to lose, is he? i mean, literally now it's literally he now it's other politicians will be implicated in things. do you think there's something. well it's quite confusing, actually, at the moment whatsapp moment about the whole whatsapp scenario. people moment about the whole whatsapp scenario . people the moment about the whole whatsapp scenario. people the public scenario. people in the public eew-e— scenario. people in the public can't-understand- 2 people in the public can't understand what's can't really understand what's going— can't really understand what's eewe—eerie- can't really understand what's eewe—eewe ie- going on because boris is eewiwe— going on because boris is eewiwe-i— going on because boris is eewiwe-i wiii- going on because boris is saying, i will give all of saying, look, i will give all of my— saying, look, i will give all of ww whatsapp— saying, look, i will give all of my whatsapp messages to the baroness hallett.— my whatsapp messages to the baroness hallett. she can look at baroness hallett. she can look ee eii— baroness hallett. she can look ee eii ee— baroness hallett. she can look at all of those— baroness hallett. she can look at all of those and then decide weee-e— at all of those and then decide what's relevant— at all of those and then decide what's relevant and not what's relevant and what's not ieewee.— what's relevant and what's not relevant. _office i relevant. the cabinet office is eewiwe— relevant. the cabinet office is eewiwe .— relevant. the cabinet office is eewiwe .we-ie— relevant. the cabinet office is saying , we're going to saying, no, we're not going to do saying, no, we're not going to ee—eweie-e- saying, no, we're not going to do _there's other| do that because there's other reasons. _think- do that because there's other reasons. think it's very reasons. and i think it's very eeweeeiwe— reasons. and i think it's very confusing public. they confusing for the public. they ieee— confusing for the public. they tee-eee— confusing for the public. they tee-eee ee— confusing for the public. they tee-eee ee ewe- confusing for the public. they just get to the truth of just want to get to the truth of weee— just want to get to the truth of weee-eeewe- just want to get to the truth of. what-during-time. what happened during that time. and what happened during that time. awe—ewee— what happened during that time. and what baroness and i think that's what baroness wewee—ee-

and i think that's what baroness hallett—as well. i hallett wants to do as well. weew- — hallett wants to do as well. weew- weei.— hallett wants to do as well. yeah. well, it— hallett wants to do as well. yeah. well, it will— hallett wants to do as well. yeah. well, it will be - yeah. well, it will be interesting read the interesting to read all the messages. wait for messages. i can't wait just for the the gossip messages. i can't wait just for the of the gossip messages. i can't wait just for the of to the gossip messages. i can't wait just for the of to be the gossip messages. i can't wait just for the of to be honest.|ossip messages. i can't wait just for the of to be honest. butp side of it, to be honest. but the truth, the gossip. right. i want mean, i'd like want to know. i mean, i'd like to actually to know what they're actually saying they saying rather than what they were, doing, were, what they were doing, you know, is, you know, there know, which is, you know, there is there is point this is there is a point to this nana because able because people have to be able to speak freely to each other as well. yeah. without of well. yeah. without the risk of ewew-ie— they're saying we're going to eewe-ewe— they're saying we're going to come-and look— they're saying we're going to come and look at this and come in and look at this and eeiwe— come in and look at this and we're going interpret we're going to interpret this in a we're going to interpret this in e—ewiwk- a particular way. i think wiwieeeie— a particular way. i think ministers-to- a particular way. i think ministers to be able to ministers need to be able to. converse with each other in an eeew—wew- converse with each other in an eeew—wewlweiil converse with each other in anj eeew—wewlweii . converse with each other in an. open _way.well . so open and honest way as well. so ewewe-e— open and honest way as well. so ewewe-e-eieee— open and honest way as well. so there's-sides to— open and honest way as well. so there's sides to that. i there's two sides to that. i agree— there's two sides to that. i ewee—wee] agree with that. as well, ieee— agree with that. as well, because - be - agree with that. as well,- because - be l politician because he will be a politician if because he will be a politician ie—ewe- because he will be a politician ie—ewe ee- because he will be a politician ie—ewe ee ewei if you know, this is one of the reasons—don't- if you know, this is one of the. reasons—don't come reasons why people don't come eeweei— reasons why people don't come eeweei-ewe— reasons why people don't comej forward-and-like forward for rape and things like ewee— forward for rape and things like that, because— forward for rape and things like that, because the— forward for rape and things like that, because the first thing ewew—ewewei that, because the first thingi ewew—ewewe. that, because the first thing. ewew—ewewe. if they do is take your phone. if ewewe-e— they do is take your phone. if there's _there - they do is take your phone. if there's _there thati they do is take your phone. if there'2potentially there that they do is take your phone. if there'2potentially implicate at they do is take your phone. if there'2potentially implicate you, could potentially implicate you, implicate could potentially implicate you, iidon'tite could potentially implicate you, iidon't think it's a relevant i don't think it's a relevant thing. arlene is such thing. so arlene foster is such a to you. a pleasure to talking you. what's gb what's next for you? your gb news got anything news now, have you got anything exciting got exciting coming up? we've got something ireland, something happening in ireland, haven't in july we've got haven't we, in in july we've got the 12th of july demonstration with a 2.5 hour programme this yeah with a 2.5 hour programme this year. so we're very excited eeeee— year. so we're very excited eeeee ewee — year. so we're very excited about that. it's— so we're very excited about that. it's going to be weweewei.— wonderful. we're going to be eewiwe— wonderful. we're going to be coming-various- coming from various places| across northern ireland and iiweieeei— across northern ireland and iiweieeei ee— across northern ireland and liverpool as well because

iiweieeei— liverpool as well because liverpool that liverpool has a parade on that day— liverpool has a parade on that eew—ieee- liverpool has a parade on that eew—ieweee. - liverpool has a parade on that eew—iewe e il liverpool has a parade on that. day—love to. i love day too. oh, i'd love to. i love weewee— day too. oh, i'd love to. i love northern ireland, ireland day too. oh, i'd love to. i love i\ireland ireland, ireland day too. oh, i'd love to. i love i\ireland isaland, ireland day too. oh, i'd love to. i love i\ireland is aand, ireland day too. oh, i'd love to. i love i\ireland is a great ireland day too. oh, i'd love to. i love i\ireland is a great place.eland . ireland is a great place. yeah, arlene, been yeah, well, arlene, it's been a pleasure. so much, pleasure. thank you so much, arlene. it's been my political spotlight. foster news spotlight. arlene foster gb news presenter of course. thank you, fantastic. presenter of course. thank you, fantastwell, listen, had right? well, listen, we've had some emails in well. we've some emails in as well. we've been discussing sorts of been discussing all sorts of things during show. things during the show. remember, gb remember, keep them coming gb views gb news .uk let's see views at gb news .uk let's see about regarding climate activism. says , we keep activism. andy says, we keep heanng activism. andy says, we keep hearing the civil rights hearing about the civil rights and and strikers, but and protesters and strikers, but what rights what about the civil rights of ordinary get ordinary people trying to get about lives , enjoy a about their daily lives, enjoy a day and enjoy out ? day out and enjoy a day out? yes, so many coming. yes, so many messages coming. keep coming. gb views. gb keep them coming. gb views. gb news. .uk. .com i've forgotten. we have changed. stay tuned. i've got my monologue on harry and meghan on the way. do not go anywhere. we are the people's .

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those killed in india following a-crash where at- those killed in india following a crash where at least 288 a train crash where at least 288 eeewie— a train crash where at least 288 eeeeie eiee— a train crash where at least 288 eeeeie eiee ewe— a train crash where at least 288 people died and 850 were iwieiee. — people died and 850 were injured. the— people died and 850 were injured. : people died and 850 were- injured. the death toll makes it the country's deadliest rail incident in more than two decades, adds the army has been deployed to help evacuate the injured with an extensive search and rescue operation ongoing . and rescue operation ongoing. prime minister narendra modi has visited the site in odisha state at the epsom jockey club, has praised the swift and decisive action of police after they detained two protesters at the epsom derby as they attempted to run on to the course. in total, 31 protesters have been arrested for attempting to disrupt the event , with 12 arrests made at event, with 12 arrests made at the grounds. animal rising had threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse racing event , delay the horse racing event, but it went ahead as planned . but it went ahead as planned. they've accused surrey police of abusing their powers . rail abusing their powers. rail passengers are experiencing their third day of major disruption this week as members of the aslef union go on strike. workers across 15 train

companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and conditions. aslef which represents 96% of train drivers, warn it's unlikely any services will be running the disruption is affecting people attending the fa cup final at wembley and the fa cup final at wembley and the epsom derby . phillip the epsom derby. phillip schofield says he fears being spat on in the street after it was revealed he'd had an affair with a much younger colleague. while presenter this morning in a new interview with the sun, he admitted he's afraid to leave the house after resigning from itv and being dropped by his talent agency. schofield says he's getting by hour by hour with support from his daughters and friends . diesel prices fell and friends. diesel prices fell by a record of almost £0.12 last month, the biggest drop for over two decades. the rac says the average price of diesel went from 158.9 p to 140 £0.07 in may. it's the seventh consecutive month in which uk

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east, south and southeast east and a uk ticket holder won more than £110 million in last night's euromillions jackpot. the unnamed winner is now richer than footballer harry kane and actor daniel radcliffe, as well as singer dua lipa. that's according to sunday times rich list. players are urged to check if they could be the lucky winner. you're up to date on gb news now. it's back to nana . news now. it's back to nana. hello. good afternoon. this news now. it's back to nana.- - hello. good afternoon. this is hello. good afternoon. this is iv hello. good afternoon. this is gb tv online— hello. good afternoon. this is gb tv online and- hello. good afternoon. this is gb tv online and on- gb news on tv online and on eieieei— gb news on tv online and on eieieei ieeie. — gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm— gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. iwie— digital radio. i'm nana akua. iwie eeeie— digital radio. i'm nana akua. this could be— digital radio. i'm nana akua. this could be my last. harry and weewew— this could be my last. harry and meghan monologue . it's meghan monologue. it's bittersweet. _ meghan monologue. it's bittersweet. i- meghan monologue. it's bittersweet. i mean, the duke ewe— bittersweet. i mean, the duke ewe eeeweee— bittersweet. i mean, the duke and duchess of— bittersweet. i mean, the duke and duchess of hazard are eeeeieweiw— and duchess of hazard are apparently going to spare us. t hey— apparently going to spare us. new eeie— apparently going to spare us. they said that— apparently going to spare us. they said that they're going to be eewiwe— they said that they're going to be behind the— they said that they're going to be behind the camera from now

on. be behind the camera from now we— be behind the camera from now on. no more podcasts, no more fly on. no more podcasts, no more fly ew— on. no more podcasts, no more fly ew ewe— on. no more podcasts, no more fly ew the wee— on. no more podcasts, no more fly on the wall documentaries. no fly on the wall documentaries. we ee— fly on the wall documentaries. no more tell—all— fly on the wall documentaries. no more tell—all memoirs. thank eee— no more tell—all memoirs. thank eee iw— no more tell—all memoirs. thank god i'm relieved— no more tell—all memoirs. thank god i'm relieved it— no more tell—all memoirs. thank god i'm relieved it was sort of eke— god i'm relieved it was sort of iike weieiwe— god i'm relieved it was sort of like waiting for— god i'm relieved it was sort of like waiting for an— god i'm relieved it was sort of like waiting for an accident to weeeew— like waiting for an accident to happen because— like waiting for an accident to happen because you knew it would and happen because you knew it would end ewew— happen because you knew it would and then watching— happen because you knew it would and then watching it in slow weeiew— and then watching it in slow weeiew .— and then watching it in slow weeiew . we— and then watching it in slow motion . no one— and then watching it in slow motion . no one wants to see it, motion. no one wants to see it, ie— motion. no one wants to see it, we wee— motion. no one wants to see it, we wee ieee— motion. no one wants to see it, but you just can't— motion. no one wants to see it, but you just can't help but ieee— but you just can't help but eee-ee- but you just can't help but ieee-ee ee- but you just can't help but. look.-to be honest, i look. although to be honest, i eew-e— look. although to be honest, i don't believe— look. although to be honest, i don't believe because even don't believe them. because even as don't believe them. because even ee ewew— don't believe them. because even ee ewew-eewee— don't believe them. because even as they-saying this,- don't believe them. because even as they saying this, prince as they are saying this, prince weew— as they are saying this, prince weww ie— as they are saying this, prince harry is limbering up for a eweweeww— harry is limbering up for a showdown on— harry is limbering up for a showdown on tuesday, he showdown on tuesday, which he eiew-e— showdown on tuesday, which he eeewe-ee— showdown on tuesday, which he eiew-e-ee ee— showdown on tuesday, which he didn't-go to and- showdown on tuesday, which he didn't go to and will be didn't need to go to and will be ee— didn't need to go to and will be ee ewe— didn't need to go to and will be one of the first— didn't need to go to and will be one of the first times a member of one of the first times a member ee-ieewei— one of the first times a member ee-ieewei-wee- one of the first times a member of royal has appeared one of the first times a member of the royal has appeared one of the first times a member of the dock. has appeared one of the first times a member of the dock and has appeared one of the first times a member of the dock and he has appeared one of the first times a member of the dock and he still appeared one of the first times a member of the dock and he still haseared in the dock and he still has eewei—ee- in the dock and he still has eewei—w eee- in the dock and he still has- other_to get through other court cases to get through . eii— other court cases to get through , all initiated— other court cases to get through , all initiated-him - other court cases to get through , all initiated-him ,- other court cases to get through , all initiated him , some , all initiated by him, some weeie— , all initiated by him, some weeie eew— , all initiated by him, some would say unwisely, as they eeeie— would say unwisely, as they eeeie ewe— would say unwisely, as they eeeie ewe ee— would say unwisely, as they could end up costing him large ewewke— could end up costing him large chunkslhis— could end up costing him large chunks his acquired chunks of his newly acquired ewewe— chunks of his newly acquired fortune-might- chunks of his newly acquired fortune might not be fortune and all might not be weii— fortune and all might not be weii iw— fortune and all might not be weii in we— fortune and all might not be well in the montecito mansion eiewee— well in the montecito mansion either. if— well in the montecito mansion either, if reports— well in the montecito mansion either, if reports are to be eeiiewee— either, if reports are to be eeiiewee .— either, if reports are to be believed . harry has a bolthole believed. harry has a bolthole in e— believed. harry has a bolthole in e ewewkw— believed. harry has a bolthole in a swanky hotel— believed. harry has a bolthole in a swanky hotel close by. aeeeieweiw— in a swanky hotel close by. apparently they've had this for a apparently they've had this for e wiiie— apparently they've had this for e whee, ieee— apparently they've had this for a while, but it— apparently they've had this for a while, but it seems a bit odd weew— a while, but it seems a bit odd wwew wee— a while, but it seems a bit odd wwew wee wewe— a while, but it seems a bit odd when you have a— a while, but it seems a bit odd when you have a whole mansion ewe— when you have a whole mansion ewe-eeew— when you have a whole mansion ewe-eeeiiw eewe- when you have a whole mansion and easily escape the and could easily escape the eewei— and could easily escape the other of other by just going into one of the other by just going into one of ewe—weewew-el other by just going into one of. the—meghan's got the rooms. maybe meghan's got the rooms. maybe meghan's got the iew— the rooms. maybe meghan's got the iew ewei— the rooms. maybe meghan's got the ick after harry— the rooms. maybe meghan's got the ick after harry spoke of his weeeieiwew— the ick after harry spoke of his frostbitten manhood. had all the

eeeeiie— frostbitten manhood. had all the eeeeiie ewee— frostbitten manhood. had all the details that he— frostbitten manhood. had all the details that he revealed in the ieeew.— details that he revealed in the week. i— details that he revealed in the week. i weew— details that he revealed in the book. i mean, i— details that he revealed in the book. i mean, i learnt that eewee— book. i mean, i learnt that phrase-my— book. i mean, i learnt that- phrase-my-daughter. phrase off my teenage daughter. ieew— phrase off my teenage daughter. then—for! then i experienced the ick for wweeie— then i experienced the ick for wweeie wwew— then i experienced the ick for myself when my— then i experienced the ick for myself when my wore three myself when my date wore three eeewiee—fie- myself when my date wore three quarter—fit chinosi quarter length skinny fit chinos . it quarter length skinny fit chinos . ie we— quarter length skinny fit chinos . ie wee-eee.— quarter length skinny fit chinos . it was-bad. i— quarter length skinny fit chinos . it was bad. i remember . it was so bad. i remember eewiwe— . it was so bad. i remember eewiwe .— . it was so bad. i remember eewiwe . weee— . it was so bad. i remember saying , what the hell have you saying, what the hell have you got saying, what the hell have you eee ewe— saying, what the hell have you got on? needless— saying, what the hell have you got on? needless to we got on? needless to say, we wewee-eeew— got on? needless to say, we never-each-againl got on? needless to say, wei never-each-again . never saw each other again. awei— never saw each other again. after-revelations- never saw each other again. after revelations the after the revelations of the drug — after the revelations of the drug eeewe— after the revelations of the drug taking in— after the revelations of the drug taking in harrisburg, he may— drug taking in harrisburg, he ewew-ieeew— drug taking in harrisburg, he ewew-ieeew iw- drug taking in harrisburg, he may-back in the- drug taking in harrisburg, he may back in the uk cap in may end up back in the uk cap in wewe.— may end up back in the uk cap in wewe. ie— may end up back in the uk cap in wewe. if we— may end up back in the uk cap in hand. if the americans kick him out:— hand. if the americans kick him eee-ie— hand. if the americans kick him eee-ie .— hand. if the americans kick him eee-ie . iw— hand. if the americans kick him eee-ie . iw ww— hand. if the americans kick him out,-is , in my view,- out, which is, in my view, eeeiwwiwe— out, which is, in my view, eeeiwwiwe ee— out, which is, in my view, beginning to look more more beginning to look more and more iikeiw— beginning to look more and more ieew-ewe— beginning to look more and more ewew-ewe wew- beginning to look more and more likely.-the new pr- beginning to look more and more likely. the new pr has likely. perhaps the new pr has eeiweee— likely. perhaps the new pr has eeiweee eee— likely. perhaps the new pr has pointed out their— likely. perhaps the new pr has pointed out their string of eweeiee— pointed out their string of eweeiee-ee- pointed out their string of. angered _to damage pointed out their string of- angered _to damage the angered attempts to damage the royal— angered attempts to damage the royal iewiiw— angered attempts to damage the royal family have— angered attempts to damage the royal family have only boomerang ieeew— royal family have only boomerang ieeew ee— royal family have only boomerang back more vociferously and weew— back more vociferously and eeew-eu— back more vociferously and pretty all ended in pretty much all ended in weewe.— pretty much all ended in ridicule, with— pretty much all ended in ridicule, with celebrities eieeeweiwe— ridicule, with celebrities distancing themselves people distancing themselves and people wew— distancing themselves and people eew—ewe— distancing themselves and people from _the world - from all around the world ieeewiwe— from all around the world ieeewiwe ee— from all around the world laughing at them. the americans wewe— laughing at them. the americans wewe e— laughing at them. the americans wewe e eieie— laughing at them. the americans have a field day— laughing at them. the americans have a field day with these too. do have a field day with these too. ee—seeew - have a field day with these too.j ee—seeew-i do you remember south park? i eeew— do you remember south park? i we we— do you remember south park? i we the www— do you remember south park? i took the whip out— do you remember south park? i took the whip out of them with the took the whip out of them with ewe-wide — took the whip out of them with the _wide privacy - took the whip out of them with the wide privacy tour and the world wide privacy tour and the world wide privacy tour and the wee— the world wide privacy tour and the press there _ the world wide privacy tour and the press there aren't regulated like the press there aren't regulated we we— the press there aren't regulated like the british _ the press there aren't regulated like the british press. prince weew— like the british press. prince weww wee— like the british press. prince harry has-much- like the british press. prince harry has much influence as harry has as much influence as you— harry has as much influence as wee-ewewe. — harry has as much influence as you-there. well- harry has as much influence as you there. well come to my you and i there. well come to my wewe.— you and i there. well come to my wewe. iwe— you and i there. well come to my world. the world— you and i there. well come to my world. the world of— you and i there. well come to my world. the world of normal eeewie— world. the world of normal eeeeie. i— world. the world of normal eeeeie. i-wewe- world. the world of normal people. i-have a- world. the world of normal people. i have a title. people. i don't have a title. i eew-e— people. i don't have a title. i eew-e eee— people. i don't have a title. i eew-e eee ww— people. i don't have a title. i can't get my own— people. i don't have a title. i can't get my own way. the car eweee— can't get my own way. the car eweee iw— can't get my own way. the car eweee iw wew— can't get my own way. the car chase in new york— can't get my own way. the car chase in new york was the last

ewew — chase in new york was the last ewew iwe— chase in new york was the last straw. the whole— chase in new york was the last straw. the whole thing was wiieiieee— straw. the whole thing was hilarious when— straw. the whole thing was hilarious when they tried to eiew— hilarious when they tried to eiew ieeew— hilarious when they tried to claw back any— hilarious when they tried to claw back any images that were ewew— claw back any images that were ewew-eeei— claw back any images that were ewew-eeei ee— claw back any images that were they told to politely will they were told to politely will go they were told to politely will 90 ewew— they were told to politely will 90 ewew .— they were told to politely will 90 ewew . se — they were told to politely will go away . so harry and meghan, go away. so harry and meghan, i'll go away. so harry and meghan, we keep— go away. so harry and meghan, we keep ww— go away. so harry and meghan, i'll keep my promise if you keep weee— i'll keep my promise if you keep weee ie— i'll keep my promise if you keep weee if wee— i'll keep my promise if you keep weee if wee eeew— i'll keep my promise if you keep yours. if you stay behind the cameras , i'll— yours. if you stay behind the cameras , i'll be— yours. if you stay behind the cameras , i'll be super quiet . cameras, i'll be super quiet. ieewe— cameras, i'll be super quiet. ieew. se— cameras, i'll be super quiet. right. so before— cameras, i'll be super quiet. right. so before we get stuck iwee— right. so before we get stuck iwee ewe— right. so before we get stuck into the debate,— right. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what eiee— into the debate, here's what eiee ie— into the debate, here's what else is coming— into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the wee— else is coming up today for the great british— else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm great british debate this hour. we _wee- great british debate this hour. iew—wee wewel great british debate this hour.j iew—wee wewe iw i'm asking, would you hand in wew— i'm asking, would you hand in weei—eeewe- i'm asking, would you hand in. your—public inquiry? i'm asking, would you hand in your you public inquiry? i'm asking, would you hand in your you hand public inquiry? i'm asking, would you hand in your you hand youric inquiry? i'm asking, would you hand in your you hand your ownjuiry? i'm asking, would you hand in your you hand your own private would you hand your own private wewee— would you hand your own private phone? i— would you hand your own private phone? i eew-e— would you hand your own private phone? i don't think so. with phone? i don't think so. with we— phone? i don't think so. with the wewe— phone? i don't think so. with the news that— phone? i don't think so. with the news that boris johnson's eiwiwe— the news that boris johnson's giving whatsapp the news that boris johnson's giving dating whatsapp the news that boris johnson's giving dating backtsapp the news that boris johnson's giving dating back to pp the news that boris johnson's giving dating back to may messages, dating back to may 2021,— messages, dating back to may zozi eiieeeiw— messages, dating back to may 2021, directly to _ messages, dating back to may 2021, directly to the covid iweeiew— 2021, directly to the covid inquiry, bypassing the government, which has refused to wewe— government, which has refused to wewe ewew— government, which has refused to hand them over— government, which has refused to hand them over .— government, which has refused to hand them over. is— government, which has refused to hand them over. is this just weewee— hand them over. is this just eweewei ieew— hand them over. is this just another tory witch hunt? and eeeie — another tory witch hunt? and eeeie wee— another tory witch hunt? and could you would— another tory witch hunt? and could you would you be willing to could you would you be willing weewe-— could you would you be willing eeeewe- eiew— could you would you be willing to same with phone could you would you be willing. to-same with-phone ? to do the same with your phone? we— to do the same with your phone? we ewew— to do the same with your phone? we then ee— to do the same with your phone? and then at 450— to do the same with your phone? and then at 450 it's— to do the same with your phone? and then at 450 it's royal roundup— and then at 450 it's royall roundup—will and then at 450 it's royal- roundup_will join roundup grant. harold will join me roundup grant. harold will join we ee— roundup grant. harold will join we re ewe— roundup grant. harold will join we re eiwe eii— roundup grant. harold will join me to give all the— roundup grant. harold will join me to give all the latest from behind— behind the palace walls. stay eewee— behind the palace walls. stayi eewei—ire tuned for 5:00. this week, it's eiwieeie— tuned for 5:00. this week, it's difficult conversation where weieieeiee— difficult conversation where narcissist abuse recovery coach

ieewwie— narcissist abuse recovery coach ieewwie weee— narcissist abuse recovery coach ronnie fraser will— narcissist abuse recovery coach ronnie fraser will be joining me eieweeiee— ronnie fraser will be joining me eieweeiee ieew— ronnie fraser will be joining me alongside lucy barrows . that's alongside lucy barrows. that's eewiwe— alongside lucy barrows. that's eewiwe ee— alongside lucy barrows. that's eewiwe ee iw— alongside lucy barrows. that's coming up in the— alongside lucy barrows. that's coming up in the next hour. as eeii— coming up in the next hour. as eeii we— coming up in the next hour. as ever, tell me what— coming up in the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think of ewewewiwe— ever, tell me what you think of everything we're— ever, tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. iweii— everything we're discussing. iweii ee— everything we're discussing. email gb views. gb news or email gb views. gb news .com or weee— email gb views. gb news .com or weee-.— email gb views. gb news .com or eweee-. ee— email gb views. gb news .com or tweet-. gb news.- email gb views. gb news .com or tweet-. gb news. so- email gb views. gb news .com or tweet . gb news. so before tweet me at. gb news. so before we ieeewe— tweet me at. gb news. so before we ieeewe we— tweet me at. gb news. so before we before we get— tweet me at. gb news. so before we before we get started, let's weeeiwe— we before we get started, let's welcome again— we before we get started, let's welcome again to— we before we get started, let's welcome again to my panel weeeeeee— welcome again to my panel broadcast from _ welcome again to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie ewew— broadcast from columnist lizzie eewew ewe— broadcast from columnist lizzie eewew ewe eiee— broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also political commentator— cundy and also political commentator sam nana . come back commentator sam nana. come back eeew.— commentator sam nana. come back eeww. ieewe— commentator sam nana. come back eeww. iweww wee— commentator sam nana. come back eeww. iweww wee .— commentator sam nana. come back down. thank you . i— commentator sam nana. come back down. thank you . i there's so down. thank you. i there's so weew— down. thank you. i there's so weew weeeewiwe.— down. thank you. i there's so much happening. you've missed all much happening. you've missed eii ewe— much happening. you've missed all the schofield— much happening. you've missed all the schofield stuff. do you ewew— all the schofield stuff. do you knew where — all the schofield stuff. do you know what? i— all the schofield stuff. do you know what? i did— all the schofield stuff. do you know what? »: »: 2 know what? i did not miss it because i was actually staying with a friend of who works with a friend of mine who works for online in in la and for the man online in in la and obviously and he, you know, he's got some brit friends and we just sat around like discussing it because obviously, you know, i've i've i've heard these rumblings a time and rumblings for a long time and it's you know i was slightly annoyed that it all blows up while i in the country while i wasn't in the country but it's you know is it was but it's you know it is it was one of the media stories of our

ages and also it's and it ties in with obviously with with meghan and harry because it's about some dodi who was in the pubuc about some dodi who was in the public eye who has has courted the public eye and then doesn't like the focus that is, you know, when something goes wrong or something happens that, you know, it's like a laser focus of everybody, everybody looking at them at the same time. everybody liked going through like everybody liked going through iiwe ewwewe— everybody liked going through like anyone who— everybody liked going through like anyone who into this like anyone who came into this wweie— like anyone who came into this wweie-eeee— like anyone who came into this whole gets covered in mess, whole mess gets covered in mess, ieee— whole mess gets covered in mess, ieee save— whole mess gets covered in mess, iee-e eew. ieee— whole mess gets covered in mess, let's say, because because it's a let's say, because because it's e eeewiee.— let's say, because because it's a horrible, toxic— let's say, because because it's a horrible, toxic story. and you ewew— a horrible, toxic story. and you knew .— a horrible, toxic story. and you knew . ewew— a horrible, toxic story. and you knew . when i— a horrible, toxic story. and you know , when i have friends that know, when i have friends that week— know, when i have friends that week ew— know, when i have friends that week ew wie— know, when i have friends that work on this morning and it's you— work on this morning and it's wee ewew— work on this morning and it's wee ewew ewe— work on this morning and it's you know and it's— work on this morning and it's you know and it's been horrible for you know and it's been horrible eee ewew— you know and it's been horrible eee ewew ee— you know and it's been horrible for them of course— you know and it's been horrible for them of course because you ewew— for them of course because you knew iee— for them of course because you know it's their— for them of course because you know it's their job— for them of course because you know it's their job but at the iee— know it's their job but at the same it's the— know it's their job but at the same it's the same as with weewew— same it's the same as with weewew-weww.- same it's the same as with. meghan-harry.-don't same it's the same as with- meghan - harry. - don't you meghan and harry. they don't you ewew.— meghan and harry. they don't you ewew—eee- know, they've they've said so weew— know, they've they've said so weei-ewe— know, they've they've said so much - and then - know, they've they've said so much and then now they now much stuff and then now they now ewew— much stuff and then now they now ewew ewwe— much stuff and then now they now ewew ewwe-awe— much stuff and then now they now they think, and what, they think, oh no. and what, weee— they think, oh no. and what, wwee wewe— they think, oh no. and what, what have we— they think, oh no. and what, what have we done this , this is what have we done this, this is wewieie. — what have we done this, this is wewieie. awe— what have we done this, this is horrific. and like— what have we done this, this is horrific. and like like you said eiew— horrific. and like like you said eeew ewe— horrific. and like like you said about the car— horrific. and like like you said about the car chase, like, you ewew.— about the car chase, like, you knew wiweiwe— about the car chase, like, you know, bringing back memories of ieiweeee— know, bringing back memories of ieiweeee-ewe— know, bringing back memories of princess-and stuff- know, bringing back memories of princess and stuff and princess diana and stuff and ewew— princess diana and stuff and then ewe— princess diana and stuff and then and then— princess diana and stuff and then and then having people like wweeei— then and then having people like

wweeei-ew— then and then having people like wweeei-ew iwe- then and then having people like whoopi on the view whoopi goldberg on the view eewiwe—eew-el whoopi goldberg on the view. eewiwe—eew-e eee saying, you know, you can't get up saying, you know, you can't get ee-eeeeee— saying, you know, you can't get ee-eeeeee iw— saying, you know, you can't get| up-speeds in -york up to those speeds in new york eiew. — up to those speeds in new york eiew. _we— up to those speeds in new york eiew. _we we— up to those speeds in new york eiew. _we wee- city. it's just it's no, you eewe — city. it's just it's no, you eewe awe— city. it's just it's no, you can't. and it's- city. it's just it's no, you can't. and it's and it's embarrassing. and they've embarrassed— embarrassed themselves. and i ewwe—ew- embarrassed themselves. and i ewiwe—ew evenl think, you know, even an even weewew— think, you know, even an even weewew ewe— think, you know, even an even meghan and harry have some sort of , meghan and harry have some sort ee . wee— meghan and harry have some sort er . wee ewew.— meghan and harry have some sort of , you know, like— meghan and harry have some sort of, you know, like gauge of when it's of, you know, like gauge of when we ewew— of, you know, like gauge of when we wwew iee— of, you know, like gauge of when it's when it's time— of, you know, like gauge of when it's when it's time to stop. and i it's when it's time to stop. and i ewiww— it's when it's time to stop. and i ewiww ewee-e— it's when it's time to stop. and i think that's now— it's when it's time to stop. and i think that's now . 152222 2 i think that's now. well, it's ieewe— i think that's now. well, it's losing them all popularity credibility motty and they're liars . so i'm sorry. i don't liars. so i'm sorry. i don't quite believe that they're going to give up this. i mean , i know to give up this. i mean, i know how much more can they talk about, though, because they really have gone to town on the royal but liar, liar, royal family. but liar, liar, pants fire. they don't stop. pants on fire. they don't stop. and i think for meghan, she saw that spare really did affect her brand and affected her. and that's why she's distanced, as you know, she didn't come to the coronation. she's not coming to the court cases with harry and the court cases with harry and the would be the other wife would be the husbands side. but oh, not husbands side. but but oh, not meghan, because she thinks of herself meghan knows her herself and meghan knows her brand gone down hill. brand has really gone down hill. she is losing you know, faith and credibility, not just here,

but over the pond. and we all know she wants a political career . so know she wants a political career. so moment, she's career. so for the moment, she's like, right, let's step back, because this isn't working. surely had a hand in because this isn't working. . surely-had a hand in what surely she had a hand in what ewe— surely she had a hand in what was the content— surely she had a hand in what was the content in spare. and eiee.— was the content in spare. and eiee. ewe— was the content in spare. and also, like she— was the content in spare. and also, like she and— was the content in spare. and also, like she and she, you know , also, like she and she, you know -eewe— also, like she and she, you know ,-she's american- , obviously she's american and ewew— , obviously she's american and ewew-ewewe- , obviously she's american and they-litigate left,- they and they litigate left, wewe—swe- they and they litigate left,- right_she probably right and centre. she probably wewe— right and centre. she probably weeie wewe— right and centre. she probably would have-like,- right and centre. she probably would have like, oh you would have been like, oh you ewewe— would have been like, oh you ewewe-ieee— would have been like, oh you should-but you- would have been like, oh you should but you should do should sue, but you should do wie— should sue, but you should do eie-wewe— should sue, but you should do this-we're the— should sue, but you should do this we're the victims. this like we're the victims. iweewewe— this like we're the victims. i everyone—blames everyone else, like she blames her family. she blames prince charles. so he walked her down the blames kate for the aisle. she blames kate for making when wasn't , making her cry when it wasn't, you know, the real story. she will everyone else will blame everyone else but herself. well, there's nothing will blame everyone else but hersnow well, there's nothing will blame everyone else but hersnow we her�*iere's nothing will blame everyone else but hersnow we her�*iere's from ng will blame everyone else but hersnow we her�*iere's from to left now for her apart from to wewe— left now for her apart from to make-gwyneth- left now for her apart from to make gwyneth paltrow style make some gwyneth paltrow style eeeweee— make some gwyneth paltrow style eeweei-wink- make some gwyneth paltrow style scented _think ,- make some gwyneth paltrow style scented _think , you - scented candles. i think, you ewew.— scented candles. i think, you knew where— scented candles. i think, you know, where you— scented candles. i think, you know, where you can put those , know, where you can put those, eeiiiwe. — know, where you can put those, darling. she'll— know, where you can put those, darling. she'll tell— know, where you can put those, darling. she'll tell us- know, where you can put those, darling. 22 2»; »2;,2e

live in an age of social media and like and like like phillip schofield said interview, schofield said in his interview, it's know, it's people will it's you know, it's people will go back into your into your social media posts and find things and do that. and like, you everybody you know, there's like everybody everybody is miss everybody is everybody is miss marple the uk now and they marple in the uk now and they and and you like and they you know and you like you you know you only need to go on you know comments last few years comments in the last few years anything to do with phil schofield everybody schofield or like everybody knows and write knows stuff and they can write it twitter it on it on twitter and say it on twitter where media aren't twitter where the media aren't allowed it talk allowed to print it or talk about eye. you have about the public eye. you have to good with about the public eye. you have to-good with the- about the public eye. you have to-good with the bad.| to take the good with the bad. yeah,— to take the good with the bad. yeah-sadly- to take the good with the bad. . yeah,-sadly.megan to take the good with the bad. . yshe _sadly.megan to take the good with the bad. yshe will sadly megan to take the good with the bad. yshe will never sadly megan to take the good with the bad. yshe will never takey megan to take the good with the bad. yshe will never take any megan , she will never take any criticism — , she will never take any- criticism _megan criticism ever. and what megan wart— criticism ever. and what megan rrmt megan— criticism ever. and what megan wants, megan gets, well, frankly , sitt— wants, megan gets, well, frankly ,were sick et— wants, megan gets, well, frankly , we're sick of it.— wants, megan gets, well, frankly , we're sick of it. and she meme— , we're sick of it. and she knows it. — , we're sick of it. and she knows it. i— , we're sick of it. and she knows it. i just- , we're sick of it. and she knows it. , we're sick of it. and she- knows it. i just think that they will. i think i mean, obviously, they've got massive deal they've got this massive deal with netflix. i don't think it's been fulfilled think been fulfilled yet. so i think that's saying behind that's why they're saying behind the can do the camera so they can do executive it's going to executive produce. it's going to make sort of money make that sort of money behind the they. but the camera. are they. but they've already they've already got it's got the money, lizzie. so it's just need to fulfil just they just need to fulfil what for. what they've been paid for. they might able hold they might not be able to hold on they might not be able to hold em—eii- they might not be able to hold em—eii tireee on to the money with all these court—emery. - on to the money with all these court—exactly. not| court cases. yeah, exactly. not tree—

court cases. yeah, exactly. not huge mansions— court cases. yeah, exactly. not huge mansions all their huge mansions and all their iiteetrie— lifestyle and they need protection— lifestyle and they need protection. - lifestyle and they need protection . 37” {.er protection. pricey. that one nato behind the camera. what i suspect is next is a movie- t ' o dc" r: f what i suspect is next is a movie about t ' o dc" r: f what i suspelives. next is a movie about \r , o t tr: i what i suspelives. oht is a movie about \r , o t tr: i what i suspelives. oh megan ovie about \r , o t tr: i what i suspelives. oh megan said about their lives. oh megan said tereeit— their lives. oh megan said herself that— their lives. oh megan said herself that she will help to piet— herself that she will help to pick tire — herself that she will help to pick the person— herself that she will help to pick the person who does her job-— pick the person who does her iet. se— pick the person who does her iet. se retor— pick the person who does her job. so actor i've— pick the person who does her job. so actor i've already been estee— job. so actor i've already been eetet te— job. so actor i've already been asked to star— job. so actor i've already been asked to star in— job. so actor i've already been asked to star in making the tit— asked to star in making the movie. i'll be.— asked to star in making the movie. i'll be. ru- asked to star in making the movie. a c: movie. i'll be. i'll be the wicked witch of the east in it or something. maybe they'll use one-monologues. - or something. maybe they'll use one - monologues. i'm - one of my monologues. i'm playing— one of my monologues. i'm playing ghosted friend. so playing the ghosted friend. so easy for you. yeah well, listen, if easy for you. yeah well, listen, it yer-re— easy for you. yeah well, listen, it yer-re met— easy for you. yeah well, listen, if you've just joined us, weeemie— if you've just joined us, welcome on— if you've just joined us, welcome on board. t [15 welcome on board. this is gb news. — welcome on board. this is gb news. we're live tv, online welcome on board. this is gb newon ale're live tv, online welcome on board. this is gb newon digitalve tv, online welcome on board. this is gb newon digital radio tv, online welcome on board. this is gb newon digital radio on online welcome on board. this is gb newon digital radio on the ine welcome on board. this is gb newon digital radio on the way. and on digital radio on the way. the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, would you hand over phone for over your mobile phone for a pubuc over your mobile phone for a public inquiry? just if public inquiry? just imagine if it were you. submit your thoughts . you can email gb views thoughts. you can email gb views at gb news .com. tell me what you think. you can also tweet me at news. i've got to pull up at gb news. i've got to pull up right you that right now asking you that question. whether you yourself would your phone if would hand over your phone if a pubuc would hand over your phone if a public inquiry required you to

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some arrests have been made, as much happened in between the last spoke ? no not last time we spoke? no not really. apart from that update trem— really. apart from that update trem surrey— really. apart from that update from surrey police— really. apart from that update from surrey police ,- ”cant apart from that update from surrey police , as you say. from surrey police, as you say. mowi— from surrey police, as you say. new, tire— from surrey police, as you say. new, tire ei— from surrey police, as you say. now, the 31 people arrested, rete— now, the 31 people arrested, tet-e met— now, the 31 people arrested, let's just take— now, the 31 people arrested, let's just take you through these— let's just take you through those figures. _ let's just take you through those figures. so 11 people erreetet— those figures. so 11 people arrested in— those figures. so 11 people arrested in the— those figures. so 11 people arrested in the early hours of tire— arrested in the early hours of tire memime— arrested in the early hours of the morning in— arrested in the early hours of the morning in nearby mitcham and the morning in nearby mitcham mt ertieet— the morning in nearby mitcham mt ertieet .— the morning in nearby mitcham and byfleet . but— the morning in nearby mitcham and byfleet . but a further eight and byfleet. but a further eight people— and byfleet. but a further eight peepie—tteir- people arrested after their vetieie— people arrested after their vehicle was— people arrested after their vehicle was stopped at around rezo— vehicle was stopped at around me tite— vehicle was stopped at around 1020 this morning in the local . i2— 1020 this morning in the local . iz peepte— 1020 this morning in the local area . 12 people arrested at the area. 12 people arrested at the racecourse. no,— area. 12 people arrested at the racecourse. no, no,- area. 12 people arrested at the racecourse. \rr:::r racecourse. no, no, no, sorry. 12 racecourse. no, no, no, sorry. iz people— racecourse. no, no, no, sorry. 12 people arrested— racecourse. \r:::r 12 people arrested within the racecourse since _ 12 people arrested within the racecourse since the event began trie— racecourse since the event began this morning.— racecourse since the event began this morning. also— racecourse since the event began this morning. also in connection witt— this morning. also in connection with piemet— this morning. also in connection with planned criminal activity andr— with planned criminal activity mt, et— with planned criminal activity and, of course,— with planned criminal activity and, of course, we know that one of and, of course, we know that one et tireee — and, of course, we know that one et tireee triet— and, of course, we know that one of those tried to— and, of course, we know that one of those tried to enter the tract. — of those tried to enter the tract. in — of those tried to enter the track. in fact,— of those tried to enter the track. in fact, he did enter the trek— track. in fact, he did enter the tract etert— track. in fact, he did enter the track about 30s— track. in fact, he did enter the track about 30s minute track about 30s to a minute titer— track about 30s to a minute after-beginning- track about 30s to a minute after beginning of the race. after the beginning of the race. he after the beginning of the race. me wee— after the beginning of the race. me tater— after the beginning of the race. he was taken down by 2 or 3 stewarde— he was taken down by 2 or 3 stewards and— he was taken down by 2 or 3 stewards and marshals and taken awav- — stewards and marshals and taken awav- se— stewards and marshals and taken awav- so im— stewards and marshals and taken away. so in that— stewards and marshals and taken away. so in that sense, we know that— away. so in that sense, we know that mimet— away. so in that sense, we know that animal rising— away. so in that sense, we know that animal rising did manage to invete— that animal rising did manage to invade tire— that animal rising did manage to invade the track,— that animal rising did manage to invade the track, but they titm-t— invade the track, but they didn't manage— invade the track, but they didn't manage to either cancel or term—

didn't manage to either cancel or delay tire— didn't manage to either cancel or delay the start— didn't manage to either cancel or delay the start of the derby. heres— or delay the start of the derby. reree wiret— or delay the start of the derby. here's what louisa— or delay the start of the derby. here's what louisa hill—wood had to here's what louisa hill—wood had te-sme-e— here's what louisa hill—wood had te-ste-e trem— here's what louisa hill—wood had to she's from animal rising to say. she's from animal rising . wmem— to say. she's from animal rising . when we— to say. she's from animal rising . when we spoke— to say. she's from animal rising . when we spoke to her just at tire— . when we spoke to her just at tire-pretest— . when we spoke to her just at the-protestlthe- the official protest at the mem— the official protest at the- front—earlier front of the racecourse earlier ,we remitti— front of the racecourse earlier , we actually approached the jockey— , we actually approached the jockey crut— , we actually approached the jockey ctrt te— , we actually approached the jockey club to start dialogue etert— jockey club to start dialogue etert wiret— jockey club to start dialogue about what we— jockey club to start dialogue about what we wanted here today because— about what we wanted here today because _ protect- about what we wanted here today because _ protect the l because we want to protect the emimeie. — because we want to protect the emimeie. vie— because we want to protect the animals. we believe- because we want to protect the animals. we believe that the jockey be stepping jockey club should be stepping in happens. jockey club should be stepping irmean, happens. jockey club should be stepping irmean, the happens. jockey club should be stepping irmean, the jockey happens. jockey club should be stepping irmean, the jockey club, happens. jockey club should be stepping irmean, the jockey club, they ens. i mean, the jockey club, they actually national actually own the grand national race where we saw three horses die this year. they also own and run racecourse and they run epsom racecourse and they need to do better. yeah, run epsom racecourse and they need to do better . yeah, so they need to do better. yeah, so they say trey-re— need to do better. yeah, so they say trey-re met— : r:r:gr yeah, so they say they're not disappointed . say they're not disappointed. ite— say they're not disappointed. it-e met— say they're not disappointed. me test pert— say they're not disappointed. it's just part of— say they're not disappointed. it's just part of amplifying the trigger— it's just part of amplifying the bigger conversation around mimet— bigger conversation around emimei—et- bigger conversation around . animal—of course animal welfare and of course their— animal welfare and of course their-ie— animal welfare and of course tmeir-ie e- animal welfare and of course their is a complete their end goal is a complete step,— their end goal is a complete we e— their end goal is a complete stop, a complete— their end goal is a complete stop, a complete halt to all meme— stop, a complete halt to all teree reeimg— stop, a complete halt to all horse racing eyes will turn to meet— horse racing eyes will turn to meet meet.— horse racing eyes will turn to next ascot. that's— horse racing eyes will turn to next ascot. that's the next big meeting— next ascot. that's the next big meetime im— next ascot. that's the next big meeting in e— next ascot. that's the next big meeting in a couple of weeks time. — meeting in a couple of weeks time. i— meeting in a couple of weeks time. i tit— meeting in a couple of weeks time. i did ask— meeting in a couple of weeks time. i did ask louisa , will you time. i did ask louisa, will you be time. i did ask louisa, will you te trying— time. i did ask louisa, will you te trying te— time. i did ask louisa, will you be trying to interrupt the racing— be trying to interrupt the racing et— be trying to interrupt the racing at ascot? and she wetter-t— racing at ascot? and she wouldn't be _ racing at ascot? and she wouldn't be drawn on that, but wetti— wouldn't be drawn on that, but one would have— wouldn't be drawn on that, but one would have thought since they— one would have thought since they tereetet— one would have thought since they targeted the national and trey-ve— they targeted the national and thev've_derbv- they've targeted the derby with rem— they've targeted the derby with very iimitet— they've targeted the derby with very limited success, they will try very limited success, they will tm te— very limited success, they will try te ceme— very limited success, they will try to cause some— very limited success, they will

try to cause some sort of tiemetiem— try to cause some sort of disruption down at ascot as wet.— disruption down at ascot as weii. eut— disruption down at ascot as well. but they're going to centime— well. but they're going to continue the _ well. but they're going to continue the conversation with the continue the conversation with tie jockey— continue the conversation with tie jockey eiee. — continue the conversation with the jockey club. they're the eeeeie— the jockey club. they're the eeeeie-erm — the jockey club. they're the people own epsom and people that own epsom and own aimtree— people that own epsom and own aimtree im— people that own epsom and own aintree in terms— people that own epsom and own aintree in terms of— people that own epsom and own aintree in terms of animal weitere— aintree in terms of animal weitere .— aintree in terms of animal welfare . and— aintree in terms of animal welfare . and the conversation welfare. and the conversation eemitmuee— welfare. and the conversation continues, .does- welfare. and the conversation continues, does the racing continues, as does the racing mere— continues, as does the racing mere et— continues, as does the racing here at resem— continues, as does the racing here at epsom today. just a few tert— here at epsom today. just a few races left today— here at epsom today. just a few races left today and what has teem— races left today and what has teem e— races left today and what has been a glorious— races left today and what has been a glorious sunny day for meme— been a glorious sunny day for iree- — been a glorious sunny day for iree- att— been a glorious sunny day for horse-. all right,- been a glorious sunny day fori horse-. all right, paul, horse racing. all right, paul, well, thank you very much. keep us that's paul hawkins. us updated. that's paul hawkins. he's he's he's the national reporter. he's there now, there in epsom right now, though. for the great though. it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, would you hand over your phone your phone your mobile phone or your phone for inquiry ? be well, for a public inquiry? be well, with news that boris johnson with the news that boris johnson is giving unredacted whatsapp messages dating back may messages dating back to may 2021, directly to the covid inquiry, bypassing the government, which has refused to hand over . is government, which has refused to hand over. is this just hand them over. is this just yet another one of these sort of hunts on boris? but actually he's offered to do offer to hand the phone so i don't really the phone and so i don't really think think. think that stands. i think. do you there's some you think that there's some other reason the cabinet office have challenge have launched a legal challenge to to demand for to the inquiry to demand for taxes former prime taxes from the former prime minister and officials, but with endless inquiries and requests for messages is this

for private messages is this another attempt at unelected bureaucrats pursuing some sort of vengeful campaign against our prime minister? although he has, as said, over the as i said, handed over the messages? are they worried? what are they worried about? would messages? are they worried? what are the' comfortable )ut? would messages? are they worried? what are the'comfortable handing ld messages? are they worried? what are the'comfortable handing over you be comfortable handing over your messages, scrutinising you? would you be happy with that? so for great debate for the great british debate this asking that very this hour, i'm asking that very question. hand over question. would you hand over your public your own phone for a public inquiry with me now is denis macshane. the former macshane. he's the former minister europe and minister of state for europe and labour mp for rotherham. suzanne evans, political commentator. ann widdecombe and former conservative minister. sorry, it's all higgledy piggledy. i'm going to start with you, denis macshane . i'm going to it, macshane. i'm going to risk it, although a lot. denis although he talks a lot. denis you get a word in edgeways you never get a word in edgeways . start off. what do . denis start me off. what do you had hand you think? if you had to hand in your for a public inquiry, your phone for a public inquiry, would you do it? not i'd have my phone over to you. i mean, this . i phone over to you. i mean, this . i mere— phone over to you. i mean, this . i mere me— phone over to you. i mean, this . i have no problems— phone over to you. i mean, this . i have no problems at- i mean, this . i have no problems at all. the ieee— . i have no problems at all. the itee treet— . i have no problems at all. the idea that there's— . i have no problems at all. the idea that there's a— . i have no problems at all. the idea that there's a full inquiry inte— idea that there's a full inquiry into something— idea that there's a full inquiry into something that wrong meeeemet— into something that wrong meeeemet mt— into something that wrong happened and anybody would etieet— happened and anybody would etieet te— happened and anybody would object to that— happened and anybody would object to that is— happened and anybody would object to that is quite, quite

eetemieirime— object to that is quite, quite eetemieirimg .— object to that is quite, quite astonishing . i— object to that is quite, quite astonishing . i mean, hats off to astonishing. i mean, hats off to eerie— astonishing. i mean, hats off to eerie ieimeem— astonishing. i mean, hats off to boris johnson for— astonishing. i mean, hats off to boris johnson for handing it in, but boris johnson for handing it in, tut only— boris johnson for handing it in, tut only mett— boris johnson for handing it in, but only half way— boris johnson for handing it in, but only half way through the corre— but only half way through the covid epidemic— but only half way through the covid epidemic march or may 202i.— covid epidemic march or may zozi. timet— covid epidemic march or may 2021. what about— covid epidemic march or may 2021. what about . 2020, early 2021. what about. 2020, early zom— 2021. what about. 2020, early were me— 2021. what about. 2020, early zozie tire big— 2021. what about. 2020, early 2021? the big question, of course, is are— 2021? the big question, of course, is are they protect ing itemi— course, is are they protect ing itieiri suret— course, is are they protect ing rishi sunak as— course, is are they protect ing rishi sunak as chancellor he signed— rishi sunak as chancellor he signed eti— rishi sunak as chancellor he signed ett em— rishi sunak as chancellor he signed off on some very dodgy coviie— signed off on some very dodgy coviie teete— signed off on some very dodgy covm deals with— signed off on some very dodgy covid deals with tory donors. met-e— covid deals with tory donors. met-e wiret— covid deals with tory donors. that's what the _ covid deals with tory donors. that's what the inquiry will mere— that's what the inquiry will mere te— that's what the inquiry will have to look— that's what the inquiry will have to look at— that's what the inquiry will have to look at amongst the metieei— have to look at amongst the medical questions that they'll mere— medical questions that they'll mere te— medical questions that they'll have to discuss— medical questions that they'll have to discuss. _ medical questions that they'll have to discuss . verge: gig: have to discuss. well, let's get to suzanne evans. what do you think? i mean, he's boris is quite willingly handed over his phones. i don't think he's got anything left to lose, really. if you, suzanne , do you if it were you, suzanne, do you think right that he should think it's right that he should be phones over in be handing his phones over in that ? know, have laws that way? you know, we have laws in this country and public servants have to hold themselves to highest standards in to the highest standards in pubuc to the highest standards in public office. and we had a simmer— public office. and we had a situation with— public office. and we had a situation with cowo- rt. rtrzg; and we had a situation with covid where our termite— situation with covid where our territie eetiet— situation with covid where our terrible policy decisions were mete.— terrible policy decisions were made ime— terrible policy decisions were made. this inquiry is going to teet— made. this inquiry is going to ieet et— made. this inquiry is going to ieet et eit— made. this inquiry is going to look at all kinds— made. this inquiry is going to look at all kinds of aspects of met— look at all kinds of aspects of that particular— look at all kinds of aspects of

that particular time and as a petite— that particular time and as a public servant,— that particular time and as a public servant, you have a duty to public servant, you have a duty te itemi— public servant, you have a duty te meme eve— public servant, you have a duty to hand over any— public servant, you have a duty to hand over any information met-e— to hand over any information met-e going— to hand over any information that's going help that that's going to help that inquiry.— that's going to help that interim-timi- that's going to help that inquiry. find quite inquiry. and i find it quite astonishing,— inquiry. and i find it quite astonishing, actually, that the government's— astonishing, actually, that the government's dragging its government's been dragging its teete— government's been dragging its meets-met— government's been dragging its heels-not least- government's been dragging its heels-not least as- government's been dragging its heels not least as we heels on this, not least as we imereeeimgiv— heels on this, not least as we increasingly have— heels on this, not least as we increasingly have government overreach into _ increasingly have government overreach into our own private iivee. — overreach into our own private iivee. vie-re— overreach into our own private lives. we're constantly under surveillance.— lives. we're constantly under surveillance. we're constantly being— surveillance. we're constantly being terti— surveillance. we're constantly being eat, em— surveillance. we're constantly being told, oh, well, if you've got— being told, oh, well, if you've get metmime — being told, oh, well, if you've get metmimg te— being told, oh, well, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got metmime— got nothing to hide, you've got mettime te— got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear— got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear .— got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear . and yet here we nothing to fear. and yet here we are nothing to fear. and yet here we mevime— nothing to fear. and yet here we tevime e— nothing to fear. and yet here we are having a government that eetueiiv— are having a government that actually seems— are having a government that actually seems to think it's eteve— actually seems to think it's eteve tire— actually seems to think it's above the law— actually seems to think it's above the law and is trying toi eee—vim use legal action to evade what i verit— use legal action to evade what i veuit sev— use legal action to evade what i veuit eev ie— use legal action to evade what i would say is its— use legal action to evade what i would say is its duty as a petite— would say is its duty as a public servant— would say is its duty as a public servant to give every evitemee— public servant to give every evitemee it— public servant to give every evidence it can— public servant to give every evidence it can to this inquiry to evidence it can to this inquiry te mete— evidence it can to this inquiry te mete eure— evidence it can to this inquiry to make sure that— evidence it can to this inquiry to make sure that the hideous mietetee— to make sure that the hideous mistakes that— to make sure that the hideous mistakes that were made tirergmeut— mistakes that were made throughout times are mistakes that were made- throughout-times are never throughout covid times are never reeeetet— throughout covid times are never reeeetet teem— throughout covid times are never repeated again suzanne. but ten-t— repeated again suzanne. but ten-t vou— repeated again suzanne. but don't you think— repeated again suzanne. but don't you think that people might look at that and go, well, you some of you know, because some of the things phone things that you see in the phone now, benefit of now, we have the benefit of knowledge. what we knowledge. we know now what we didn't then some didn't know then. so some of the messages infer it messages you could infer it slightly differently and you would i've heard people would like i've heard people saying, yeah, we knew saying, oh, yeah, but we knew within a few 12 that covid within a few 12 weeks that covid wasn't was going to wasn't as bad as it was going to be. well, i was didn't

be. well, i was there. i didn't know 12 weeks. i don't know in 12 weeks. i don't believe do you think believe that. do you not think that element sort believe that. do you not think thrhindsight, element sort believe that. do you not think thrhindsight, elemtwith sort of hindsight, people with knowledge on and saying, knowledge looking on and saying, well, you that then? well, why did you say that then? well, , hindsight is well, of course, hindsight is always a beautiful thing , isn't always a beautiful thing, isn't it? but that doesn't alter the teet— it? but that doesn't alter the teet met— it? but that doesn't alter the fact that decisions— fl but that doesn't alter the fact that decisions were made . fact that decisions were made. amt— fact that decisions were made. me eetueiiv— fact that decisions were made. and actually this— fact that decisions were made. and actually this inquiry and the and actually this inquiry and tire petite,— and actually this inquiry and tire petite, i— and actually this inquiry and the public, i think, deserve to tree— the public, i think, deserve to mew mew— the public, i think, deserve to know how those— the public, i think, deserve to know how those decisions were made — know how those decisions were made vie— know how those decisions were made. we already— know how those decisions were i made. we already—matt made. we already know from matt temeeet-e— made. we already know from matt hancock's whatsapps and hancock's leaked whatsapps and for hancock's leaked whatsapps and ter eeetmeee— hancock's leaked whatsapps and ter geetmeee ,— hancock's leaked whatsapps and for goodness , thank goodness we for goodness, thank goodness we eevveeeuee-t — for goodness, thank goodness we saw-because what- for goodness, thank goodness we saw because what was going saw those because what was going on saw those because what was going em termi— saw those because what was going on behind-scenes— on behind the scenes was teeeieetie— on behind the scenes was teeeieetie .— on behind the scenes was despicable . knew, despicable. we knew, for mtme— despicable. we knew, for instance,-they- instance, that they were eemetemtiv— instance, that they were constantly telling us front, constantly telling us up front, it's constantly telling us up front, it-e-eeiemee- constantly telling us up front, it-e-eeiemee .- constantly telling us up front, it's-science . but. constantly telling us up front, it's science . but the it's about the science. but the reeiitv— it's about the science. but the reeiitv-it— it's about the science. but the reality-it wasn't- it's about the science. but the reality it wasn't about the reality was it wasn't about the it— reality was it wasn't about the science. it was— reality was it wasn't about the science. it was about politics. it science. it was about politics. it-eteut— science. it was about politics. it-about what— it was about what nicola stureeem— it was about what nicola sturgeon-in. it was about what nicola- sturgeon-in scotland . sturgeon was doing in scotland. it sturgeon was doing in scotland. it vee— sturgeon was doing in scotland. it eteut— sturgeon was doing in scotland. it was about-the - sturgeon was doing in scotland. it was about the public it was about what the public verte— it was about what the public events .— it was about what the public events . amt,— it was about what the public wants . and, you— it was about what the public wants . and, you know, that's not wants. and, you know, that's not met— wants. and, you know, that's not met eeei— wants. and, you know, that's not met good eeiiev— wants. and, you know, that's not how good policy is— wants. and, you know, that's not how good policy is made. i've teem— how good policy is made. i've been involved— how good policy is made. i've been involved in— how good policy is made. i've been involved in making policy met— been involved in making policy that ie— been involved in making policy that is tire— been involved in making policy that is the worst— been involved in making policy that is the worst way to make eeiiev— that is the worst way to make eeiiev .— that is the worst way to make eeiiev . amt— that is the worst way to make eeiiev . amt ee— that is the worst way to make eeiiev . me as i— that is the worst way to make policy . and as i we need to policy. and as i say, we need to get— policy. and as i say, we need to get te— policy. and as i say, we need to get te tire— policy. and as i say, we need to get te tire-et— policy. and as i say, we need to get to the-of this- policy. and as i say, we need to get to the-of this to- get to the bottom of this to mete— get to the bottom of this to mete-tmeee - get to the bottom of this to. make-those mistakes make sure that those mistakes never—amt- make sure that those mistakes- never_and widcomm never happen again. and widcomm , im— never happen again. and widcomm , i-m met— never happen again. and widcomm , i-m met et— never happen again. and widcomm ,i-m met at eit— never happen again. and widcomm , i'm not at all sure— never happen again. and widcomm , i'm not at all sure that i vetti— , i'm not at all sure that i veuit te— , i'm not at all sure that i would be happy- , i'm not at all sure that i would be happy handing over a meme— would be happy handing over a meme .— would be happy handing over a meme . i— would be happy handing over a meme . i meem— would be happy handing over a phone . i mean, it— would be happy handing over a

phone . i mean, it would depend phone. i mean, it would depend on several things. _ phone. i mean, it would depend on several things. the first is met— on several things. the first is how restricted— on several things. the first is how restricted was the use of tire— how restricted was the use of tire phone? — how restricted was the use of the phone? was— how restricted was the use of the phone? was it- how restricted was the use of the phone? e the phone? was it solely for government business or was it also used for personal business? and i would be less concerned eteut— and i would be less concerned about revealing— and i would be less concerned about revealing anything about mveeit. — about revealing anything about mveett. ami— about revealing anything about mveett. amt i— about revealing anything about myself. and i would- about revealing anything about myself. ' tr: : myself. and i would about other people who had revealed stuff on the phone. i mean, all the time i get on my website, on my phone , on my emails from people who are contacting me, rehearsing their personal circumstances. well, i wouldn't want to be renting— well, i wouldn't want to be handing that— well, i wouldn't want to be handing that over. and you may say,— handing that over. and you may save em— handing that over. and you may eat, em vett— handing that over. and you may say, oh, well, trust— handing that over. and you may say, oh, well, trust to the remem— say, oh, well, trust to the temeur et— say, oh, well, trust to the honour of inquiry that they honour of the inquiry that they wetter-t— honour of the inquiry that they wouldn't actually— honour of the inquiry that they wouldn't actually use anything that— wouldn't actually use anything that-irrelevant. - wouldn't actually use anything that irrelevant. that was irrelevant. but remember what the police did to damian know, they damian green. you know, they went— damian green. you know, they went-examined— damian green. you know, they went-examined his- iett et [1 ”cc: t you know, they went examined his computer went and examined his computer for went and examined his computer ter ee— went and examined his computer ter turteee— went and examined his computer for one purpose and then later on, much, much— for one purpose and then later on, much, much later on revealed eemettimg— on, much, much later on revealed something completely irrelevant. mowi— something completely irrelevant. new, vee— something completely irrelevant. new. you tree.— something completely irrelevant. now, you know, there— something completely irrelevant. now, you know, there was- something completely irrelevant. now, you know, there was a time when there was honour in public life. if i'm not so certain that i life. if i'm not so certain that ittimt— life. if i'm not so certain that ittimt ttere— life. if i'm not so certain that i think there is— life. if i'm not so certain that i think there is so— g ”it; if i'm not so certain that i think there is so much honour in i think there is so much honour im tittie— i think there is so much honour im tuttie tite— i think there is so much honour in public life-the— i think there is so much honour in public life the moment in public life at the moment that— in public life at the moment ttetlveuit— in public life at the moment thathould just— in public life at the moment that would just want trust that i would just want to trust it me— that i would just want to trust it end eiee,— that i would just want to trust it end eiee, i— that i would just want to trust it and also, i mean, listen, if you— it and also, i mean, listen, if vet ceme— it and also, i mean, listen, if you come back— it and also, i mean, listen, if you come back to— it and also, i mean, listen, if you come back to you, dennis, you— you come back to you, dennis, vet-vett— you come back to you, dennis, vet-veu-t tert- you come back to you, dennis, you you'd hand over your

you said you'd hand over your theme— you said you'd hand over your eteme eme— you said you'd hand over your phone and-this,- you said you'd hand over your phone and this, but she phone and all this, but she eer-t— phone and all this, but she can't-baroness. phone and all this, but she- can't-baroness hallett can't brownite baroness hallett cemet— can't brownite baroness hallett cannot-seriously- can't brownite baroness hallett cannot seriously go cannot really seriously go ttreugt— cannot really seriously go through-the- cannot really seriously go through the messages . cannot really seriously go- through _the messages . so through all of the messages. so she through all of the messages. so stelgemg— through all of the messages. so etelgemg te— through all of the messages. so she-going to maybe- through all of the messages. so she-going to maybe give- she is going to maybe give somebody a part that job somebody else a part of that job as now you've got to as well. and now you've got to rely those people leak rely on those people not to leak information. what even information. an and what even she may not take certain parts of information , but as was of information, but as was pointed there be pointed out, there might be other things that are totally unrelated be in some unrelated but could be in some way damaging to that individual that get out dennis that could get out there. dennis do not think that that is a do you not think that that is a worry ? this is the biggest worry? this is the biggest pubuc worry? this is the biggest public inquiry since that into the iraq war? lady hallett tereeit— the iraq war? lady hallett tereeit ie— the iraq war? lady hallett herself is going- the iraq war? lady hallett herself is going to- er: , lady hallett herself is going to sit there ”er: , lady hallett herself is going to sit there 18 to herself is going to sit there 18 te ze— herself is going to sit there 18 te m, geimg— herself is going to sit there 18 to 24, going scrolling through eerie— to 24, going scrolling through boris johnson's— to 24, going scrolling through boris johnson's whatsapps mere-ii— boris johnson's whatsapps ttere-ii te— boris johnson's whatsapps there'll be staff, there will then— there'll be staff, there will ttem te— there'll be staff, there will then be printed out and the emte— then be printed out and the emte et— then be printed out and the members of the— then be printed out and the members of the committee will tave— members of the committee will have e— members of the committee will have e geet— members of the committee will have a good look— members of the committee will have a good look at it. i mean, get— have a good look at it. i mean, get mutt— have a good look at it. i mean, we've got much more sensitive eteut— we've got much more sensitive eteut it.— we've got much more sensitive eteut it. i— we've got much more sensitive about it. i remember coming in trem— about it. i remember coming in trem tte— about it. i remember coming in from the airport— about it. i remember coming in from the airport with tony blair emt— from the airport with tony blair emt te— from the airport with tony blair once and he said,— from the airport with tony blair once and he said, dennis, you've got once and he said, dennis, you've get tem— once and he said, dennis, you've get veer metiie— once and he said, dennis, you've got your mobile on— once and he said, dennis, you've got your mobile on you. i said, vett— got your mobile on you. i said, vveit vee— got your mobile on you. i said, vveit vee ,— got your mobile on you. i said, well, yes , prime— got your mobile on you. i said, well, yes , prime minister. he well, yes, prime minister. he sett— well, yes, prime minister. he emit-vet- well, yes, prime minister. he eeit-veu get- well, yes, prime minister. he said, you get number said, well, can you get number 10 said, well, can you get number ite-street— said, well, can you get number ite-street ter- said, well, can you get number 10-street for-andl

10 downing street for me? and i tteugtt— 10 downing street for me? and i tteugtt, mt— 10 downing street for me? and i tteugtt, mv eee,— 10 downing street for me? and i thought, my god, this incredibly imtertemt— thought, my god, this incredibly important conversation will be reeertet — important conversation will be recorded forever— important conversation will be recorded forever on my mobile. me— recorded forever on my mobile. amt-tem— recorded forever on my mobile. and-tony never- recorded forever on my mobile. and tony never carried and it's just tony never carried a and it's just tony never carried e metiie— and it's just tony never carried e metiie emt— and it's just tony never carried a mobile and actually it's not a tee— a mobile and actually it's not a tad ieee— a mobile and actually it's not a tad itee ter— a mobile and actually it's not a bad idea for prime— a mobile and actually it's not a bad idea for prime ministers not to bad idea for prime ministers not te-metiiee,— bad idea for prime ministers not to-mobiles, but— bad idea for prime ministers not to-mobiles, but in- bad idea for prime ministers not to mobiles, but in general to carry mobiles, but in general , every— to carry mobiles, but in general , everv tit— to carry mobiles, but in general , everv tit et— to carry mobiles, but in general , every bit of information now tee— , every bit of information now its te— , every bit of information now its te te— , every bit of information now has to be made— , every bit of information now has to be made available to that imguirv— has to be made available to that imguirv .— has to be made available to that imgrirv . ter— has to be made available to that imgrirv . rer eti— has to be made available to that inquiry. for all the— has to be made available to that inquiry . for all the points inquiry. for all the points sezem— inquiry. for all the points suzanne made- inquiry. for all the points suzanne made on the choice of vtet— suzanne made on the choice of what decisions— suzanne made on the choice of what decisions were taken, my teimte— what decisions were taken, my teimte eteet— what decisions were taken, my points about the _ what decisions were taken, my points about the deep, deep eermttiem— points about the deep, deep corruption with— points about the deep, deep corruption with so much money going— corruption with so much money geimg te— corruption with so much money geimg te tert— corruption with so much money going to tory linked donors and teimt— going to tory linked donors and p0intr tet— going to tory linked donors and point tet im— going to tory linked donors and point, but in the— going to tory linked donors and point, but in the end , i mean, point, but in the end, i mean, tremtit— point, but in the end, i mean, frankly, everybody knows private time— frankly, everybody knows private tirme tmev— frankly, everybody knows private firms know everything on my irteme— firms know everything on my irteme emt— firms know everything on my iphone and yours and we don't verm— iphone and yours and we don't werrv eteet— iphone and yours and we don't worry about that. _ iphone and yours and we don't worry about that. so the idea ttet— worry about that. so the idea ttet tte— worry about that. so the idea that the public— worry about that. so the idea that the public for people tittie— that the public for people public committee, a judge and all public committee, a judge and eit tte— public committee, a judge and eit tte teet— public committee, a judge and all the rest of— public committee, a judge and all the rest of it— public committee, a judge and all the rest of it shouldn't teve— all the rest of it shouldn't teve g,— all the rest of it shouldn't teve g, i— all the rest of it shouldn't have it, i think- all the rest of it shouldn't have it, i think is just daft . have it, i think is just daft. teem— have it, i think is just daft. veet. tet— have it, i think is just daft. yeah, but you've— have it, i think is just daft. yeah, but you've seen - have it, i think is just daft. yeah, but you've seen how all these leaks suddenly appear and somebody said this or somebody did that and suddenly it's everywhere. it's in the press. they're briefing members of the press it's come from press and it's come from a civil servant somebody somewhere press and it's come from a civil servrremains mebody somewhere press and it's come from a civil servrremains nameless)mewhere who remains nameless and

faceless , as this would faceless, as this would be a worry for people even getting into you into politics. suzanne you didn't seem to see it as a problem, but would you hand over your own phone if you were involved in it? you would. and your own phone if you were involiifd in it? you would. and your own phone if you were involiif theyt? you would. and your own phone if you were involiif they found would. and your own phone if you were involiif they found something! what if they found something else? and, you know, i have been a else? and, you know, i have been e tetitieiem— else? and, you know, i have been e petitieiem i— else? and, you know, i have been a politician. i was— else? and, you know, i have been a politician. i was a— , and, you know, i have been a politician. i was a local councillor.— a politician. i was a local councillor. you- a politician. i was a local councillor. you know that when you— councillor. you know that when vet—evervttimgi councillor. you know that when i vet—evervttimg ie you send an email, everything is eetteet— you send an email, everything is eetteet-imgeirv- you send an email, everything is subject-inquiry and. subject to an foi inquiry and ttet— subject to an foi inquiry and that actually— subject to an foi inquiry and that actually makes you think eteet— that actually makes you think eteet ttet— that actually makes you think about what you're going to say emt— about what you're going to say emt ttet— about what you're going to say and what you're— about what you're going to say and what you're going and and what you're going to do and tev— and what you're going to do and tee-te— and what you're going to do and how-to respond- and what you're going to do and how-to respond .- and what you're going to do and how to respond . and i how you have to respond. and i ten-t— how you have to respond. and i tem-t ttimt— how you have to respond. and i don't think that's— how you have to respond. and i don't think that's any bad thing — don't think that's any bad thing .i— don't think that's any bad thing .i-it- don't think that's any bad- thing. .i-if perhaps thing. and i wonder if perhaps we've got this situation now. vvtetettt— we've got this situation now. vvtetetttlee— we've got this situation now. whatsapp so easy. we know whatsapp is so easy. we know it's whatsapp is so easy. we know its seeme— whatsapp is so easy. we know it's secure, so— whatsapp is so easy. we know it's secure, so perhaps we're a tittie— it's secure, so perhaps we're a iittie tit— it's secure, so perhaps we're a little bit too— it's secure, so perhaps we're a little bit too trigger happy with — little bit too trigger happy with _t— little bit too trigger happy with - if the - little bit too trigger happy with if the other issue, with it. and if the other issue, of with it. and if the other issue, et ie— with it. and if the other issue, of course, is that— with it. and if the other issue, of course, is that if politicians- of course, is that if politicians are trying to use vvtetettt— politicians are trying to use vvtetettt ee— politicians are trying to use vvtetettt ee e— politicians are trying to use whatsapp as a way to sidestep eetemtieiiv— whatsapp as a way to sidestep potentially being _ whatsapp as a way to sidestep potentially being captured by a treetem— potentially being captured by a treetem et— potentially being captured by a freedom of information act, then egeim— freedom of information act, then egeim ttet-e— freedom of information act, then again, that's something that meets— again, that's something that meets te— again, that's something that needs to i looked - again, that's something that needs to looked and needs to be looked at. and i ettreeiete— needs to be looked at. and i appreciate what— needs to be looked at. and i appreciate what anne's point is. mere— appreciate what anne's point is. itere ee— appreciate what anne's point is. there are always— appreciate what anne's point is. there are always people who are going— there are always people who are geimg-things,— there are always people who are geimg-ttimge-ttei going to leak things, but at the emt— going to leak things, but at the emt et— going to leak things, but at the emt et tte— going to leak things, but at the emt et tte tet— going to leak things, but at the end of the day, it— going to leak things, but at the end of the day, it was the gevemmemt— end of the day, it was the government set up this government that set up this town— government that set up this covit—mevv- covid inquiry and now the gevemmemt— covid inquiry and now the government basically saying government is basically saying we're—cooperate. we're not going to cooperate witt— we're not going to cooperate vittl— we're not going to cooperate vittlltimt—

we're not going to cooperate with..ifind-really. with it. i find that really tittieeit— with it. i find that really difficult .— with it. i find that really difficult . and- with it. i find that really difficult . and yes, i mean, the difficult. and yes, i mean, the ieee— difficult. and yes, i mean, the itee ttet— difficult. and yes, i mean, the itee ttet ,— difficult. and yes, i mean, the itee ttet , vee— difficult. and yes, i mean, the idea that , you know, people idea that, you know, people ttimt— idea that, you know, people think about— idea that, you know, people think about foi— idea that, you know, people think about foi before they have a think about foi before they have e tereemei— think about foi before they have a personal chat— think about foi before they have a personal chat to— think about foi before they have a personal chat to a friend is vert— a personal chat to a friend is verve verv— a personal chat to a friend is very, very unlikely. �*vv�*te ”rzg; very, very unlikely. what we're now doing, of course, is censoring the record . i mean, censoring the record. i mean, politicians censoring the record. i mean, tetitieiem te— censoring the record. i mean, politicians do not— censoring the record. i mean, politicians do not now- trg i mean, politicians do not now put things— politicians do not now put ttimge teem— politicians do not now put things down on the record. civil eervemte— things down on the record. civil servants don't,— things down on the record. civil servants don't, that they would once have done.— servants don't, that they would once have done. they deal with tie— once have done. they deal with this eereiiv— once have done. they deal with this aurally in— once have done. they deal with this aurally in the— once have done. they deal with this aurally in the margins of meetings— this aurally in the margins of meetings because they're afraid of meetings because they're afraid et tor.— meetings because they're afraid et tor. se— meetings because they're afraid et tor. se i— meetings because they're afraid of foi. so i mean,— meetings because they're afraid of foi. so i mean, the idea that,— of foi. so i mean, the idea ttet, vee— of foi. so i mean, the idea that, you know— of foi. so i mean, the idea that, you know ,- of foi. so i mean, the idea that, you know , we all somehow that, you know, we all somehow verv— that, you know, we all somehow werrv eteet— that, you know, we all somehow verrv eteet rei— that, you know, we all somehow worry about foi off— that, you know, we all somehow worry about foi off the record is empty— worry about foi off the record is eimeiv met— worry about foi off the record is simply not valid. t worry about foi off the record is simply not valid. i mean, you teet— is simply not valid. i mean, you trev ,— is simply not valid. i mean, you trev , ve— is simply not valid. i mean, you know , we do trust a private know, we do trust a private conversation to stay that way . conversation to stay that way. and if we didn't, life would become completely impossible if you couldn't advance an idea or even explore an idea because you were afraid that at some future stage it was going to come back to bite you, that even such a thought had entered your head, however briefly and future historian is are going to

already find out. the records are desert of real information . are desert of real information. and i don't particularly want to add to that by saying, well, now, you know, even with our whatsapps, we've got to be so careful shouldn't be able to careful we shouldn't be able to be we we be free to talk. we should. we always were . well, i mean, my always were. well, i mean, my tteegtte— always were. well, i mean, my tteegtte ee— always were. well, i mean, my thoughts are it— always were. well, i mean, my thoughts are it seems- ririg;”r:g; well, i mean, my thoughts are it seems almost emvertetie— thoughts are it seems almost emtertetie .— thoughts are it seems almost unworkable . no— thoughts are it seems almost unworkable . no one will want to unworkable. no one will want to go unworkable. no one will want to ge mte— unworkable. no one will want to ge imte petites.— unworkable. no one will want to go into politics. but i take all unworkable. no one will want to go irpoints.:ics. but i take all unworkable. no one will want to go irpoints. it's but i take all unworkable. no one will want to go irpoints. it's good take all unworkable. no one will want to go irpoints. it's good to ke all unworkable. no one will want to go irpoints. it's good to talkl your points. it's good to talk to your points. it's good to talk te vee— your points. it's good to talk te vee eii. — your points. it's good to talk to you all. thank— your points. it's good to talk to you all. thank you very much. temie— to you all. thank you very much. denis macshane,— to you all. thank you very much. denis macshane, former for mimieter— minister europe, labour mp for itettertem. — minister europe, labour mp for rotherham. evans, rotherham. suzanne evans, tetitieei— rotherham. suzanne evans, political commentator, and ann tttteeemte— political commentator, and ann widdecombe, conservative widdecombe, former conservative minister.— widdecombe, former conservative minister. thank— widdecombe, former conservative minister. thank you so much. teet— minister. thank you so much. eeetlteit— minister. thank you so much. good-talk to— minister. thank you so much. good-talk to you- minister. thank you so much. good talk to you all. so what good to talk to you all. so what do good to talk to you all. so what te vee— good to talk to you all. so what te vee ttimt— good to talk to you all. so what do you think then?— good to talk to you all. so what do you think then? what your do you think then? what are your tteegttee— do you think then? what are your thoughts?.let's_ do you think then? what are your thoughts?.let's see— do you think then? what are your thoughts? let's see what your phone? let's see what vet-ve— your phone? let's see what vee-ve-eevimg.- your phone? let's see what- vee-ve-eevimg.-eeve your phone? let's see what- vteve _eevimg.-eeve your phone? let's see what y have nothing ying. says, your phone? let's see what yhave nothing t0tg. says, your phone? let's see what yhave nothing to hide, says, your phone? let's see what yhave nothing to hide, though. , i have nothing to hide, though. teet— i have nothing to hide, though. veet teem— i have nothing to hide, though. veet veet. tet— i have nothing to hide, though. yeah yeah. but you might have set— yeah yeah. but you might havei eeit—emt said something to someone and them— said something to someone and ttem—eemetetvi then something and somebody interprete— then something and somebody imterritte— then something and somebody imterrit it— then something and somebody imterrit i ve— then something and somebody inter; if i was paid as a public says, if i was paid as a public eervemt— says, if i was paid as a public servant-what— says, if i was paid as a public servant-what was- says, if i was paid as a public servant what was on my phone servant and what was on my phone was servant and what was on my phone reievemt— servant and what was on my phone was relevant-the— servant and what was on my phone was relevant the public was relevant to the public inquiry,— was relevant to the public- imgeim—eeve was relevant to the public- inquiryr_savsr inquiry, then yes, anthea says, as inquiry, then yes, anthea says, ee mt— inquiry, then yes, anthea says, ee mv erm— inquiry, then yes, anthea says, as my own personal phone is tereteeet— as my own personal phone is tereteeet tv— as my own personal phone is purchased by me— as my own personal phone is purchased by me for my own tereemei— purchased by me for my own eereemei eee— purchased by me for my own personal use, any over will be eetteet— personal use, any over will be eetteet te— personal use, any over will be eetteet te mt— personal use, any over will be subject to my-on - personal use, any over will be subject to my on whether subject to my views on whether i egree — subject to my views on whether i egree-teimg— subject to my views on whether i agree being necessary. if agree to it being necessary. if set— agree to it being necessary. if eeit tteme— agree to it being necessary. if said phone was— agree to it being necessary. if said phone was provided for work

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and rescue operation. the epsom reetev— and rescue operation. the epsom reetev cut,— and rescue operation. the epsom reetev ttet tee— and rescue operation. the epsom jockey club has praised the twitt— jockey club has praised the evitt emt— jockey club has praised the swift and decisive action of petite— swift and decisive action of eeiiee etter— swift and decisive action of police after they detained two preteetere— police after they detained two treteetere et— police after they detained two protesters at the _ police after they detained two protesters at the derby as they tried— protesters at the derby as they triet te— protesters at the derby as they triet te mm— protesters at the derby as they tried to run on— protesters at the derby as they tried to run on to— protesters at the derby as they tried to run on to the course. in tried to run on to the course. in tetet— tried to run on to the course. in tetet ei— tried to run on to the course. in total, 31 protesters have teem— in total, 31 protesters have been arrested _ in total, 31 protesters have been arrested for attempting to disrupt— been arrested for attempting to tierett tte— been arrested for attempting to disrupt the event— been arrested for attempting to disrupt the event , with 12 disrupt the event, with 12 erreeet— disrupt the event, with 12 arrests made _ disrupt the event, with 12 arrests made at the grounds , arrests made at the grounds, mimet— arrests made at the grounds, animal rising— arrests made at the grounds, animal rising had threatened to cemet— animal rising had threatened to cancel or severely— animal rising had threatened to cancel or severely delay the terse— cancel or severely delay the teree reeimg— cancel or severely delay the horse racing event. but it went eteet— horse racing event. but it went eteet ee— horse racing event. but it went ahead as planned.— horse racing event. but it went ahead as planned. the group has eeeeeet— ahead as planned. the group has accused surrey— ahead as planned. the group has accused surrey police of abuse , accused surrey police of abuse, eevimg— accused surrey police of abuse, eevimg tteir— accused surrey police of abuse, saying their powers thousands of teetie— saying their powers thousands of teeete ettemtimg— saying their powers thousands of people attending sports and mmte— people attending sports and music events— people attending sports and music events have faced major tierettiem— music events have faced major tierettiem em— music events have faced major disruption on the— music events have faced major disruption on the rail network tetev— disruption on the rail network tetev ee— disruption on the rail network today as members of the aslef emer— today as members of the aslef ge— today as members of the aslef ge em— today as members of the aslef union go on strike.— today as members of the aslef union go on strike. it's the tire— union go on strike. it's the ttirt tev— union go on strike. it's the ttirt tev et— union go on strike. it's the third day of industrial action ttie— third day of industrial action this teet— third day of industrial action this week affecting those treveitimg— this week affecting those travelling to _ this week affecting those travelling to the epsom derby emt— travelling to the epsom derby emt tte— travelling to the epsom derby met tie it— travelling to the epsom derby and the fa cup— travelling to the epsom derby and the fa cup final at wembley. stem— and the fa cup final at wembley. stett et— and the fa cup final at wembley. stett et it— and the fa cup final at wembley. staff at 15 train— and the fa cup final at wembley. staff at 15 train operating eemetmie— staff at 15 train operating companies have walked out in an emgeimg— companies have walked out in an emgeimg tietete— companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and eemtitieme— ongoing dispute over pay and conditions as— ongoing dispute over pay and conditions as and president vietimir— conditions as and president vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine is reetv— vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine is reetv te— vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch— vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch its counter

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may whatsapp messages dating back to ttet—te— whatsapp messages dating back to iiev—te tte- whatsapp messages dating back to may—to the com. may 2021, directly to the covid imgeirt— may 2021, directly to the covid inquiry, bypassing the government- inquiry, bypassing the government , which actually government, which actually reteeet— government, which actually reteeet te— government, which actually refused to hand— government, which actually refused to hand over the phone. vvtet— refused to hand over the phone. ttet-vee— refused to hand over the phone. what-you think— refused to hand over the phone. what-you think ?— refused to hand over the phone. what you think ? would you be what do you think? would you be as what do you think? would you be ee-te— what do you think? would you be ee-te te— what do you think? would you be as-to do-boris- what do you think? would you be as-to do-boris has. as willing to do that? boris has teem— as willing to do that? boris has teem verv— as willing to do that? boris has been very willing.— as willing to do that? boris has been very willing. he's doing it tee— been very willing. he's doing it teeeeeee-te- been very willing. he's doing it because-he's got- been very willing. he's doing it because he's got really because perhaps he's got really mettimg— because perhaps he's got really nothing everything's nothing to hide. everything's tiere— nothing to hide. everything's ttere—vveitl nothing to hide. everything's. there _well, the there but the others. well, the cetimet— there but the others. well, the cabinet office _ there but the others. well, the cabinet office have launched a iegei— cabinet office have launched a legal challenge— cabinet office have launched a legal challenge to the inquiry cabinet office have launched a legdemandznge to the inquiry cabinet office have launched a legdemand fora to the inquiry cabinet office have launched a legdemand for taxesie inquiry cabinet office have launched a legdemand for taxes fornquiry cabinet office have launched a legdemand for taxes for the ry as demand for taxes for the termer— as demand for taxes for the former prime— as demand for taxes for the former prime minister and ettieieie— former prime minister and ettieieie .— former prime minister and officials .-how- former prime minister andi officials .-how-of former prime minister and- officials .-how-of us officials. but how many of us teete— officials. but how many of usi would—comfortable would actually be comfortable temtimg— would actually be comfortable temtimg-eer- would actually be comfortable handing our private handing over all our private meeeegeele— handing over all our private messages a scrutinising group messages to a scrutinising group of messages to a scrutinising group et ettieieie— messages to a scrutinising group et ettieieie e— messages to a scrutinising group of officials ? so— messages to a scrutinising group of officials ? so for— messages to a scrutinising group of officials ? so for great of officials? so for the great tritiet— of officials? so for the great british—hour,- british debate this hour, i tteegtt— british debate this hour, ii tteegtt—em british debate this hour, i- tteegtt—em vee thought i'd turn it over on you emt— thought i'd turn it over on you emt-vtetter- thought i'd turn it over on you. and _whether-yourself and ask you whether you yourself teete— and ask you whether you yourself eeeie—theme- and ask you whether you yourself would—phone for. would hand over your phone for a tittie— would hand over your phone for a petite-ttet— would hand over your phone for a public-well, let's- would hand over your phone for a public well, let's see public inquiry. well, let's see ttet— public inquiry. well, let's see vtet mt— public inquiry. well, let's see vtet mv eemei— public inquiry. well, let's see what my panel maker then i'm timet— what my panel maker then i'm joined—and- joined by broadcaster and eeiemmiet— joined by broadcaster and. columnist—and joined by broadcaster and- columnist_and also columnist lizzie cundy and also tetitieei— columnist lizzie cundy and also political commentator sam terrier.— political commentator sam dowler. - lizzie, - political commentator sam dowler. lizzie, i'm going dowler. right lizzie, i'm going to dowler. right lizzie, i'm going te etert— dowler. right lizzie, i'm going te etert witt— dowler. right lizzie, i'm going to start with you. _ dowler. right lizzie, i'm going to start with you. lizzie semetetv— to start with you. lizzie somebody says, do you hand over veer— somebody says, do you hand over veer phone? — somebody says, do you hand over your phone? you're— somebody says, do you hand over your phone? /r:::r. ”ri; your phone? you're giving me anxiety . you've been thinking anxiety. you've been thinking about all of it. i mean, no way. not on nellie . what even if not on your nellie. what even if you not on your nellie. what even if vee tet— not on your nellie. what even if vee tet tite— not on your nellie. what even if vee tet iite e— not on your nellie. what even if you had like a public— not on your nellie. what even if you had like a public job- \rr:::r ritt ” mice ri; what even if you had like a public job and you— you had like a public job and vee-stem— you had like a public job and vee-stem em- you had like a public job and. you-stuff on-phone you put the stuff on your phone emt— you put the stuff on your phone ere—te- you put the stuff on your phone emt—te eee- you put the stuff on your phone- and_to see them? and they would want to see them? vieii. — and they would want to see them? vieii. _ever— and they would want to see them? well, _even _went- and they would want to see them? well, - even _went to - well, look, even when i went to strictly they you've strictly and they said, you've got phone up,

got to give your phone up, i actually in my bra. and actually put it in my bra. and then stupidly, i hadn't turned it lighting and it off. it started lighting and they frogmarched they came and frogmarched me out. yeah. and your they came and frogmarched me out. yryou and your they came and frogmarched me out. yryou and and your they came and frogmarched me out. yryou and yourind your they came and frogmarched me out. yryou and yourind yotboobs bride, you and your bright boobs again, let back in, again, they let you back in, though, after i just went the though, after i just went to the bar. far more actually. bar. far more fun, actually. anyway but look, there is this inquiry and. and boris has to give up his phone. i can't wait to see what's on boris's whatsapp messages . to be honest, whatsapp messages. to be honest, it's going to be more raunchy than but what? but all than sam's. but what? but all mps have to do this. if there's an investigation, whatever. but what needs reforming and doing correctly is this inquiry, which i'm sorry , is run by muppets. if i'm sorry, is run by muppets. if you don't mind me saying, and it's taking forever, how come in all different countries like sweden, they've wrapped this up within two years this is going to go on and on and on. and by the end of it, frankly, we're going to go, oh, do we really care anymore? yes. people want answers yes, want answers. yes, people want to know really went on. know what really went on. but, you the time you know, by the time they finish thing, we're just finish this thing, we're just going give the will to going to give up the will to care 2028 is when they

care anymore. 2028 is when they set— care anymore. 2028 is when they eeit it— care anymore. 2028 is when they eeit it we— care anymore. 2028 is when they said it was finished.— rt.e”r:g; ext ttritr”r:g; 2028 is when they said it was finished. that te”r:g; ext ttr:::r”r:g; 2028 is when they said it was finished. that is what,— said it was finished. that is ttet-rive,— said it was finished. that is what,-five, 4- said it was finished. that is what,-five, 4 or- said it was finished. that is what, five, 4 or 5 years what, like five, 4 or 5 years really?— what, like five, 4 or 5 years really? realistically usually. item— really? realistically usually. item ttev— really? realistically usually. then they then— really? realistically usually. then they then they come out with — then they then they come out with teee— then they then they come out with lessons will— then they then they come out with lessons will learned and with lessons will be learned and them— with lessons will be learned and ttem mettimg— with lessons will be learned and then nothing is— with lessons will be learned and then nothing is that repeated egeim— then nothing is that repeated egeim. sem— then nothing is that repeated again. sam, what think ? again. sam, what do you think? if again. sam, what do you think? it eemetetv— again. sam, what do you think? if somebody said— again. sam, what do you think? if somebody said to you, look, memt— if somebody said to you, look, tent-etme- if somebody said to you, look, hand-phone for- if somebody said to you, look, hand-phone for an. hand over your phone for an “himm— inquiry, what would you say? vett— inquiry, what would you say? ttet-eter— inquiry, what would you say? well,-uponltime- inquiry, what would you say? i well,-uponltimelwrote well, once upon a time i wrote a book the insider sam well, once upon a time i wrote a book you the insider sam well, once upon a time i wrote a book you can insider sam well, once upon a time i wrote a book you can get der sam well, once upon a time i wrote a book you can get defor sam well, once upon a time i wrote a book you can get defor asam dowler. you can get it for a bargain price. pound shop ipp bargain price. a pound shop ipp . lizzie. lizzie. lizzie. lizzie. lizzie came to my book launch, actually. but in it, it was, oh, five years ago. how many did it sell? five? i don't know. they didn't. they didn't tell me, actually. oh did you get any money? you obviously didn't. i did get money, yes. but basically in it i have a chapter on it's basically it's a it's gay guy's guide for it's a gay guy's guide for straight on how to how to straight men on how to how to treat and in it, i talk treat women. and in it, i talk about relationships and you know and phones in relationships and saying how you never look through a partner's phone because you're going to because you're never going to find my god , my find them saying, oh my god, my partner is beautiful and partner is so beautiful and wonderful . be different. wonderful. it'll be different. it'll things that it'll be different. things that you can read into anything. so like anything of

like if you take anything out of context , then could look context, then it could look awful. this , this awful. i mean, like this, this is say about our phones. is what we say about our phones. like i've had like i mean, i'm sure i've had a lot colour, like lot of off colour, like conversations with people because have because like, you know, i have a dark sense humour, etcetera, dark sense of humour, etcetera, and, and therefore if you give your over, could your phone over, they could be like, joint? like, oh, what is this joint? i mean, so i don't, i don't think it . i think, you know, it is it is. i think, you know, it is your information . but your personal information. but however, if you are a prime minister or a person in the pubuc minister or a person in the public eye, you know, for example , with phillip schofield, example, with phillip schofield, like, you know , at what point like, you know, at what point did he think, like, you know, i should not do this? like should just not do this? like you said you shouldn't do all we've said about sunak and the and about rishi sunak and the and the seat belt, you you had to be squeaky, squeaky, squeaky clean . if you if you are in a in a position like that and if you and if you and if you don't and if you go against the rules like bods if you go against the rules like boris has done, then you kind of have to it. well, as donald have to do it. well, as donald treme— have to do it. well, as donald meme-rever— have to do it. well, as donald trump-never put- r:r:gr c well, as donald trump never put anything r:r:gr c well, as donald trlwriting. never put anything r:r:gr c well, as donald trlwriting. netthe)ut anything r:r:gr c well, as donald trlwriting. netthe thingything r:r:gr c well, as donald trlwriting. netthe thing is, ing in writing. and the thing is, eter— in writing. and the thing is, when-politician,l in writing. and the thing is,- when-politician, you when you are a politician, you teve— when you are a politician, you tevelte— when you are a politician, you have .be extra,— when you are a politician, you have be extra, extra careful have to be extra, extra careful .i—g— have to be extra, extra careful _ie witt- . and the thing is, with eteteetee— . and the thing is, with whatsapps, you write more whatsapps, you write much more treetv—em- whatsapps, you write much more treetv—em emeiti freely than you do on an email. ttet-e— freely than you do on an email. ttet-e tte— freely than you do on an email. that's the trouble. _ freely than you do on an email. that's the trouble. and mps need

to that's the trouble. and mps need te te— that's the trouble. and mps need te te terege— that's the trouble. and mps need to be farage and— that's the trouble. and mps need to be farage and it's encrypted eitter— to be farage and it's encrypted eitter emt— to be farage and it's encrypted eitter emt ee— to be farage and it's encrypted either end as well— to be farage and it's encrypted either end as well on whatsapp. so either end as well on whatsapp. se tite— either end as well on whatsapp. se rite-ever— either end as well on whatsapp. so like-even-a- so like even even if there's a police investigation , they police investigation, they can't. they to ask what's can't. they have to ask what's ask meta to, even like break ask meta to, to even like break into the into the messages . but into the into the messages. but what about the notion- into the into the messages. but what about the notion that- 3 but what about the notion that if you— what about the notion that if vee tree— what about the notion that if vee tmee ttet— what about the notion that if you know that everything's going to you know that everything's going te te— you know that everything's going te te tite— you know that everything's going to be like that,— you know that everything's going to be like that, you're not going— to be like that, you're not goinglput_ to be like that, you're not going put anything down going to put anything down in writing— going to put anything down in. writing?_think, writing? see so where you think, oh, writing? see so where you think, eie—veere- oh, well, because you're doing ttet,— oh, well, because you're doing ttet—geimg- oh, well, because you're doing that—goinglbel that, i think it's going to be counterproductive that counterproductive in that petitieieme— counterproductive in that politicians will things politicians will do things more underhandedly._ politicians will do things more underhandedly. be more underhandedly. they'll be more tettimg— underhandedly. they'll be more talking rather— underhandedly. they'll be more talking rather than any writing, vvtiem— talking rather than any writing, vvtiet, vee— talking rather than any writing, which, you know,— talking rather than any writing, which, you know, if i'm going to say which, you know, if i'm going to eev it— which, you know, if i'm going to eev it i-ve— which, you know, if i'm going to eev it me get— which, you know, if i'm going to say if i've got something to say eteet— say if i've got something to say. eteet—emt about someone or something and i'm about someone or something and i-m _eett- about someone or something and i-m—eett ttet- i'm i would actually call that tereem— i'm i would actually call that tereem teve— i'm i would actually call that person, have a— i'm i would actually call that person, have a word with them or emt— person, have a word with them or emit-vert— person, have a word with them or ere-eem-t tet— person, have a word with them or and won't put things and say it, i won't put things teem.— and say it, i won't put things term. t— and say it, i won't put things term. i te— and say it, i won't put things down. i do that— and say it, i won't put things down. i do that myself. i self edit,— down. i do that myself. i self etit, i— down. i do that myself. i self edit, i self—censor the time edit, i self—censor all the time eter— edit, i self—censor all the time vvtemleemee— edit, i self—censor all the time whenlcomes to— edit, i self—censor all the time when comes to written things when it comes to written things teeee— when it comes to written things teeeeeeltmee— when it comes to written things becauseiknow if— when it comes to written things becauseiknow if i— when it comes to written things because know if i write because i know if i write eemettimg— because i know if i write something then something somebody could then say, something somebody could then save—takel say, oh, she said this and take it-eemtext— say, oh, she said this and take it-eemtext .— say, oh, she said this and take it-eemtext . a— say, oh, she said this and take it-context . a little- it out of context. a little emte— it out of context. a little while-years- it out of context. a littlei while-years ago it out of context. a little while-years ago said while ago, like years ago i said eteet—vee- while ago, like years ago i said eteet—vee geimg- while ago, like years ago i said about you going to about covid, are you going to say— about covid, are you going to eev eteet— about covid, are you going to say about lizzie— about covid, are you going to say about lizzie cundy? ot critrr: say about lizzie cundy? oh god, tietem— say about lizzie cundy? oh god, tietem-eteet— say about lizzie cundy? oh god, listen, about the thing listen, it was about the thing where i think it was the government had said that you'd be they'd put you in prison for ten years broke the rules

be they'd put you in prison for teiwhatever. androke the rules be they'd put you in prison for teiwhatever. and ate the rules be they'd put you in prison for teiwhatever. and ate th time,s be they'd put you in prison for teiwhatever. and ate th time, i or whatever. and at the time, i met— or whatever. and at the time, i ttimt-eertimg— or whatever. and at the time, i think-working.the- or whatever. and at the time, i| think-working.the bbc think i was working for the bbc emt— think i was working for the bbc emt ttimge— think i was working for the bbc emt ttimge vee— think i was working for the bbc and things you can't say that vee-re— and things you can't say that vee-re-te— and things you can't say that vee-re-te-tte- and things you can't say thati you're-to-the law. you're going to break the law. so you're going to break the law. se—eeett- you're going to break the law. so_would agree so i said, yeah, i would agree eitt— so i said, yeah, i would agree vim-eem— so i said, yeah, i would agree with-said, that's- with that. i said, that's fine. vee—tteeel with that. i said, that's fine. you _those the you know, because those were the retee— you know, because those were the retee et— you know, because those were the retee et tte — you know, because those were the rules at the time.— you know, because those were the rules at the time. i— you know, because those were the rules at the time. i went along eitt— rules at the time. i went along with it.— rules at the time. i went along with it.-amount- rules at the time. i went along with it.-amount of- rules at the time. i went along with it. amount of times with it. the amount of times ttet— with it. the amount of times. ttet—ere that comes back on twitter and teette—imi people actually adding bits in, tetimg— people actually adding bits in,| tetimg—emt taking bits from this show and tietertimg— taking bits from this show and distorting making it. so distorting it and making it. so my distorting it and making it. so mvee—- my thing is that once something's- my thing is that once something's taken context something's taken out of context like something's taken out of context tite—meem- like that was then. i mean, yes. tee— like that was then. i mean, yes. tee-ttet— like that was then. i mean, yes. tee-ttet-meel like that was then. i mean, yes.i now-that-now i'd now you said that to me now i'd say,— now you said that to me now i'd eev-ee— now you said that to me now i'd eev-eve mee— now you said that to me now i'd say,-we now know- now you said that to me now i'd say, we now know that say, well, we now know that covit— say, well, we now know that covit iem-t— say, well, we now know that covm isn't this— say, well, we now know that covid isn't this we now. so i eeeie— would say something different. but would say something different.- tet—tteee but that's my problem with these ttimge— but that's my problem with these ttimge ttet— but that's my problem with these ttimge ttet ttev— but that's my problem with these things that they taken things that they were taken tetettv—l things that they were taken totally—e eeti things that they were taken i totally_, out of totally out of context, out of time. — totally out of context, out of time. _eitt- totally out of context, out of time. with hindsight. time. and then with hindsight. so time. and then with hindsight. se-teve— time. and then with hindsight. ee-teve tte- time. and then with hindsight. so-have the of- time. and then with hindsight. so have the of course, no so we now have the of course, no trev— so we now have the of course, no tmee et— so we now have the of course, no tmee et tte— so we now have the of course, no one knew at the beginning what covit—te— one knew at the beginning what covit—te te- one knew at the beginning what covid-to be like. i covid was going to be like. at the covid was going to be like. at tte—iiiterl the beginning i was in milan when out. i didn't when it broke out. i didn't think going get back think i was going to get back home. know i'm not showing home. i know i'm not showing off, part off, but it was. yeah part of italy. wrote something people italy. i wrote something people were and the were sadly dying and the hospitals were piled up. hospitals were getting piled up. we know it was it was we didn't know it was it was going to particularly affect the elderly, vulnerable or what elderly, the vulnerable or what we but i have to say, we learned. but i have to say, what worries me about this is going to put people off wanting to be in politics because everything wouldn't be surprised

. oh, why would you routinised and why would you want to be a politician ? yeah, well, boris politician? yeah, well, boris doesn't. boris doesn't care. he's load of money, you he's making a load of money, you know, doing his speeches and probably a movie the probably a movie would be the least getting into least about getting into politics days. and least about getting into politics days . and it's politics these days. and it's a point. politics these days. and it's a teimt. imt— politics these days. and it's a teimt. amt ite— politics these days. and it's a point. and it's a— c t»; : and it's a point. and it's a poisoned etetiee— point. and it's a poisoned chalice. look— point. and it's a poisoned chalice. look-atl point. and it's a poisoned. chalice. look-at how chalice. look at. look at how ttev— chalice. look at. look at how tteviteet— chalice. look at. look at how tteviteet et— chalice. look at. look at how they-look at how- chalice. look at. look at how they look at how liz truss they all look at how liz truss teegtt— they all look at how liz truss teegtt-irime- they all look at how liz truss. fought-prime-over fought to be prime minister over and fought to be prime minister over mveee—- fought to be prime minister over emveet— tite- fought to be prime minister over and—was like, you| and over. and she was like, you know,— and over. and she was like, you tmevve—vetetimgi and over. and she was like, you kno hustings, watching and over. and she was like, you kno hustings, now watching and over. and she was like, you kno hustings, now you ivatching and over. and she was like, you kno hustings, now you justiing the hustings, now you just mint,— the hustings, now you just. think,_because think, oh, bless her because ete-e—it- think, oh, bless her because ete-e—it ter- think, oh, bless her becausej she's—it her best. she's like giving it her best. imt— she's like giving it her best. amt-ete— she's like giving it her best. amt-eie get— she's like giving it her best. and-she got it- she's like giving it her best. and she got it like she's like giving it her best. and-she got it like a and then she got it like took a sip and then she got it like took a eie et— and then she got it like took a eie et ttet— and then she got it like took a sip of that poison— and then she got it like took a sip of that poison and exploded . imt— sip of that poison and exploded . amt-vee— sip of that poison and exploded .amt-vee-ttet- sip of that poison and exploded . and -you _that wasi . and now, you know, that was tmevm— . and now, you know, that was tmeem ee— . and now, you know, that was known as-lettuce.- . and now, you know, that was known as-lettuce. - . and now, you know, that was known as lettuce. “415?" known as the lettuce. yeah, exactlv- tet— known as the lettuce. yeah, exactly. but yeah,- known as the lettuce. “415?" cykirfiflcg but yeah, would get exactly. but yeah, would get imte— exactly. but yeah, would get into politics. _ exactly. but yeah, would get into politics. and- qkirfiflcg but yeah, would get into politics. ' tr: into politics. and let's not let us alone . let's leave liz alone us alone. let's leave liz alone . because the point is, she had the right vision . like the the right vision. like the things she was saying are things that she was saying are the things that i would have supported. example, supported. like, for example, she be supported supported. like, for example, sh childcare be supported supported. like, for example, sh childcare . be supported supported. like, for example, sh childcare . i be supported supported. like, for example, sh childcare . i 100. be supported supported. like, for example, sh childcare . i 100. yeah, supported supported. like, for example, sh childcare . i 100. yeah, of)ported in childcare. i 100. yeah, of course she's right. she was talking cutting taxes 100% talking about cutting taxes 100% right. but it just did it all. but when she didn't with, with tetitiee— but when she didn't with, with tetitiee eitt— but when she didn't with, with politics, with politics, no metter— politics, with politics, no matter like _ politics, with politics, no matter like no- politics, with politics, no matter like no matter if you if you— matter like no matter if you if vee ee— matter like no matter if you if vee trime—

matter like no matter if you if you are prime minister and vee— you are prime minister and vee e— you are prime minister and you're a conservative prime iiimieter— you're a conservative prime iiimieter er— you're a conservative prime minister or if— you're a conservative prime minister or if you're a labour trime— minister or if you're a labour mime—teeet- minister or if you're a labour prime—least 50%| minister or if you're a labour. prime—least 50% of prime minister, at least 50% of the prime minister, at least 50% of tie-ere— prime minister, at least 50% of tie-ere-te- prime minister, at least 50% of the-are-to hate. the country are going to hate you— the country are going to hate vee—ott- the country are going to hate vee—ott sel the country are going to hatei vee—ott se ee you immediately. obe so as i eeti.— you immediately. obe so as i said, chalice. said, it's a poisoned chalice. it's wants to be, it's know nobody wants to be, you never going to you know, you're never going to be by everybody. don't be loved by everybody. so don't get politics unless get into politics unless you've got skin. i would got a really thick skin. i would say local to fete say my local mp came to the fete emt— say my local mp came to the fete emt getting— say my local mp came to the fete and getting thrown— say my local mp came to the fete and getting thrown tomatoes at tim— and getting thrown tomatoes at tim im— and getting thrown tomatoes at tim im tte— and getting thrown tomatoes at him in the store— and getting thrown tomatoes at him in the store were they in tte— him in the store were they in the eteete— him in the store were they in the stocks, in— him in the store were they in the stocks, in the— him in the store were they in the stocks, in the stocks? this tit— the stocks, in the stocks? this tit vee— the stocks, in the stocks? this tit vee teve— the stocks, in the stocks? this did you have your— the stocks, in the stocks? this did you have your rotten veg with you? actually draghi with him. so happy with him. ietteeee— him. so happy with him. lettuce? yes— him. so happy with him. lettuce? yes don't- t so happy with him. t“ “ring: don't call it that. lettuce? yes don't call it that. go.— lettuce? yes don't call it that. no, no. but it needs this inquiry needs reforming and it you know, people are just going to say, oh, i can't i don't care anymore. but taking way too anymore. but i'm taking way too long. go on, sam. but then vve— long. go on, sam. but then vve get— long. go on, sam. but then you've got like,— long. go on, sam. but then you've got like, all- r::trtrg ciritr but then you've got like, all those matt temeeet— you've got like, all those matt hancock whatsapps as well. so like— hancock whatsapps as well. so ite, i— hancock whatsapps as well. so ite, i ereem— hancock whatsapps as well. so like, i mean that— hancock whatsapps as well. so like, i mean that that's shone a tigtt— like, i mean that that's shone a tigtt ter— like, i mean that that's shone a light for loads— like, i mean that that's shone a light for loads of— like, i mean that that's shone a light for loads of us on, on etet— light for loads of us on, on vtet it— light for loads of us on, on vtet it eee— light for loads of us on, on what it was and- light for loads of us on, on what it was and what they were ttimtimg— what it was and what they were ttimtimg emt— what it was and what they were thinking and what— what it was and what they were thinking and what you know and tee— thinking and what you know and tee ttet— thinking and what you know and tee theve tee— thinking and what you know and how they, how they wanted to treeeet. — how they, how they wanted to treeeet. se — how they, how they wanted to proceed. so therefore i mean of course it would be super imtereetimg— course it would be super interesting read through interesting to read through terie-e—itl interesting to read through. boris's—if he's, interesting to read through. tete-e _it me interesting to read through b(he's handing if he's, interesting to read through b(he's handing it if he's, interesting to read through b(he's handing it over, if he's, interesting to read through b(he's handing it over, i'ma's, if he's handing it over, i'm assuming— if he's handing it over, i'm assuming hoping won't if he's handing it over, i'm- assuming hoping-won't be assuming hoping that it won't be it won-t—

assuming hoping that it won't be it won-t be— assuming hoping that it won't be it won't be .crazy. - assuming hoping that it won't be it won't be crazy. mi; gm it won't be too crazy. we've got so children , i think so many children, i think there's be dodi knows there's going to be dodi knows of might be. well, it of there might be. well, it might—mam of there might be. well, it. might—that you might be some more that you might—which- might be some more that you. might—which ones might actually know which ones they—but— might actually know which ones they—but actually,l they are. but no, but actually, as-of— they are. but no, but actually, as-of that,- they are. but no, but actually, as of that, actually, as we speak of that, actually, the— as we speak of that, actually, the-people— as we speak of that, actually, the-people-sort- the way people are sort of hounding— the way people are sort of hounding_he's| the way people are sort of. hounding_he's he's hounding him. yeah, he's he's just— hounding him. yeah, he's he's just become— hounding him. yeah, he's he's just become father well. just become a father as well. people—med just become a father as well.- people_man has just become a father as well.- peopthick_man has just become a father as well. peopthick skin man has just become a father as well. peopthick skin in man has just become a father as well. peopthick skin in he's1 has very thick skin in how he's peeing— very thick skin in how he's peeing-with— very thick skin in how he's putting with this, putting up with all this, because— putting up with all this, because if this because i tell you what, if this should— because i tell you what, if this should-been— because i tell you what, if this should - been on - because i tell you what, if this should been on the other should have been on the other foot— should have been on the other feet and— should have been on the other feet and ie— should have been on the other foot and it had— should have been on the other foot and it had say, foot and it had been say, i think— foot and it had been say, i hhhhh mayhe— foot and it had been say, i think maybe labour party in think maybe the labour party in this think maybe the labour party in hhhe—heh-h— think maybe the labour party in this-don't think- think maybe the labour party in this don't think the this position, i don't think the media— media would have been that hehereeheh. — interested. exactly. ithink totally . but see totally agree. but let's see whee— totally agree. but let's see whee-mink,— totally agree. but let's seei what-think,-the totally agree. but let's see- what-think,-the show what you think, because the show is what you think, because the show he nothing— what you think, because the show is nothing without— what you think, because the show is nothing without you and your views. _our greatl is nothing without you and your views. voices. our great is nothing without you and your views. voices. this our great is nothing without you and your views. voices. this is our great is nothing without you and your views. voices. this is theirhreat british voices. this is their ehheehhnhhy— british voices. this is their- ehheehhhhhy—ehew british voices. this is their- opp

an invasion of privacy. but in this situation, i probably would . and i understand why boris has heeded— . and i understand why boris has heheee ever— . and i understand why boris has handed over his— and i understand why boris has handed over his whatsapp messages. you- handed over his whatsapp messages . /:::. handed over his whatsapp messages . y:::. handed over his whatsapp- messages . you know, he was the messages. you know, he was the pm and the covid inquiries, a matter of national importance . matter of national importance. and the public has a right to an eheh— and the public has a right to an eheh ene— and the public has a right to an ehen eee hah— and the public has a right to an open and fair process that has access to as much— open and fair process that has access to as much information as heeehhhe— access to as much information as heeehhhe .— access to as much information as heeehhhe . huh— access to as much information as heeehhhe . huh hu— access to as much information as possible . but in my— access to as much information as possible . but in my humble possible. but in my humble ehhuheu— possible. but in my humble ehhuheu ,— possible. but in my humble opinion , boris— possible. but in my humble opinion , boris is playing this opinion, boris is playing this euhhe— opinion, boris is playing this euhhe uehh. — opinion, boris is playing this quite well. so— opinion, boris is playing this quite well. so far. um, he's stepping up, taking back control of the narrative and his actions clearly demonstrate that he's embracing accountability and transparency. you know, he took a transparency. you know, he took e hehh— transparency. you know, he took e hehe shee— transparency. you know, he took e hehe eheh hy— transparency. you know, he took a bold step by handing- ”cwq you know, he took a bold step by handing over hheee— a bold step by handing over these messages— a bold step by handing over these messages directly to the cowh— these messages directly to the covhh inquiry— these messages directly to the covid inquiry and bypassing the gevemmeuh— covid inquiry and bypassing the government wonderfully. so i mhuhh— government wonderfully. so i mhuhh huh— government wonderfully. so i mhghh euu .— government wonderfully. so i might add . but— government wonderfully. so i might add . but this- government wonderfully. so i might add . but this shows might add. but this shows a willingness for him to open himself up to scrutiny , which no himself up to scrutiny, which no one can disagree, is a cornerstone of a healthy democracy. so cornerstone of a healthy democracy . so fair play to him, democracy. so fair play to him, heu— democracy. so fair play to him, veu knew, — democracy. so fair play to him, you know, think— democracy. so fair play to him, you know, think rishi- :ff so fair play to him, you know, think rishi sunak eheuhu— you know, think rishi sunak eheuhh ee— you know, think rishi sunak should do the— you know, think rishi sunak should do the same. chi» . should do the same. i don't hhhuh— should do the same. i don't hhhuh hh-e— should do the same. i don't think it's probably that . i think it's probably that. i suspect that it's got think it's probably that. i- suspect that it's got something to suspect that it's got something he he— suspect that it's got something he he uhhh— suspect that it's got something to do with the— suspect that it's got something to do with the fact that he hueue— to do with the fact that he hueue hheh— to do with the fact that he knows that his— to do with the fact that he knows that his career right now

hehhhheehhy— knows that his career right now hehhhheehhy he— knows that his career right now politically is on— knows that his career right now politically is on the ropes and he use— politically is on the ropes and he ehee-hheh— politically is on the ropes and he also _that the - politically is on the ropes and he also that the inquiry he also knows that the inquiry uhhh— he also knows that the inquiry huh-eeme— he also knows that the inquiry will-some three,- he also knows that the inquiry will some three, 4 or will take some three, 4 or 5 years— will take some three, 4 or 5 years earliest— will take some three, 4 or 5 years earliest to _ will take some three, 4 or 5 years earliest to 2028. so eveeuehy— years earliest to 2028. so everyone will— years earliest to 2028. so everyone will have forgotten by hheu— everyone will have forgotten by hheu ene— everyone will have forgotten by hheu end he— everyone will have forgotten by then and he also— everyone will have forgotten by then and he also knows that the ehhehe— then and he also knows that the ehhehe-mehe- then and he also knows that the others- more to - then and he also knows that the others-more to lose. others have way more to lose hheu— others have way more to lose hheu hhm — others have way more to lose than him because, you if than him because, you know, if it than him because, you know, if hh-hheh— than him because, you know, if hh-hhehluee- than him because, you know, if it-that.was the. it transpires that he was the eee—he- it transpires that he was the eee—he savl it transpires that he was the . eee—he hey hhuh one that was trying to say that we—euh— one that was trying to say that ue—euh eh— one that was trying to say that we out of lockdown one that was trying to say that we rishi out of lockdown one that was trying to say that we rishi sunakut of lockdown one that was trying to say that we rishi sunakut offorcingwn one that was trying to say that we rishi sunakut offorcing it| and rishi sunak was forcing it on and rishi sunak was forcing it eu-uheheveu— and rishi sunak was forcing it on whatever, whatever , on us or whatever, whatever, hheu— on us or whatever, whatever, hheu heue— on us or whatever, whatever, then boris will— on us or whatever, whatever, then boris will be just sitting on us or whatever, whatever, then ands will be just sitting on us or whatever, whatever, then and lettinge just sitting on us or whatever, whatever, then and letting all st sitting on us or whatever, whatever, then and letting all allhitting on us or whatever, whatever, then and letting all all theg back and letting all all the i eheuh— back and letting all all the i was about to _ back and letting all all the i was about to say,— back and letting all all the i was about to say, what? what are you was about to say, what? what are yeu doing?— was about to say, what? what are yeu eehuge heu— was about to say, what? what are you doing? you know what? you heard— you doing? you know what? you heard hh— you doing? you know what? you heard h. h— you doing? you know what? you heard it. i didn't— you doing? you know what? you heard it. i didn't say it out heuh— heard it. i didn't say it out heue. weh— heard it. i didn't say it out loud. well done- heard it. i didn't say it out loud. well done . i think that's loud. well done. i think that's hhhe— loud. well done. i think that's hhhe hh— loud. well done. i think that's more like it, lee,— loud. well done. i think that's more like it, lee, don't you? hheuh— more like it, lee, don't you? hheuh heu— more like it, lee, don't you? hhenh yeu ee— more like it, lee, don't you? thank you so much. lee harris. huhhheuh— thank you so much. lee harris. hhhhhheuh he— thank you so much. lee harris. brilliant to talk— thank you so much. lee harris. brilliant to talk to— thank you so much. lee harris. brilliant to talk to you. that's thank you so much. lee harris. bril harris. talk to you. that's thank you so much. lee harris. bril harris. he's to you. that's thank you so much. lee harris. bril harris. he's our ou. that's thank you so much. lee harris. bril harris. he's our greatiat's lee harris. he's our great hhhhheh— lee harris. he's our great british _there. lee harris. he's our greati british—there in british voice. he's there in hhheheh. — british voice. he's there in bristol. well,— british voice. he's there in bristol. well, today i've been eemee,— bristol. well, today i've been uehhue—yeuhi bristol. well, today i've been- eehhue—yeuh asking, would you hand your own heheeueh—he- asking, would you hand your own personal—to the. personal mobile phone to the cowh— personal mobile phone to the covhh-hhe- personal mobile phone to the covid-the public. covid inquiry to the public inquiry?— covid inquiry to the public. hueuhhye—heeu inquiry? lots of you have been gehhhue— getting in touch with your hheughhe. — getting in touch with your thoughts. _no i getting in touch with your. thoughts. _ no way. thoughts. sarah says no way. h-ve— thoughts. sarah says no way. h-ve-uehhhug— thoughts. sarah says no way. i've - nothing to - thoughts. sarah says no way. i've nothing to hide. but i've got nothing to hide. but uheh-e— i've got nothing to hide. but uheh-e-hheue- i've got nothing to hide. but what's-phone is- i've got nothing to hide. but what's phone is my what's on my phone is my huehueee— what's on my phone is my business-for— what's on my phone is my business .for- no| what's on my phone is my- businesslfor-no one business is for me and no one ehee— business is for me and no one eheeluhhh— business is for me and no one eheeluhhh heu— business is for me and no one else. with you now. steve else. i'm with you now. steve seve— else. i'm with you now. steve says-li— else. i'm with you now. steve says-ii wee— else. i'm with you now. steve says..| was paid— else. i'm with you now. steve says. i was paid by a public says. if i was paid by a public eeweuh— says. if i was paid by a public eeweuh ene— says. if i was paid by a public servant and what— says. if i was paid by a public servant and what was on it was reheveuh— servant and what was on it was reheveuh he— servant and what was on it was relevant to the _ servant and what was on it was relevant to the public inquiry hheu— relevant to the public inquiry hheu. vee,— relevant to the public inquiry hheu. vee, h— relevant to the public inquiry then. yes, i think— relevant to the public inquiry then. yes, i think i've read hheh— then. yes, i think i've read that before. _ then. yes, i think i've read that before. says, as my

that before. annie says, as my heheeueh— that before. annie says, as my own personal phone is purchased by own personal phone is purchased hy-hheh— own personal phone is purchased hy-hheh ee— own personal phone is purchased hy-hheh ee- own personal phone is purchased by that one as well, by me, i bet that one as well, she— by me, i bet that one as well, she hue.— by me, i bet that one as well, she eehe. hh-e— by me, i bet that one as well, she said. it's subject to me and by me, i bet that one as well, she views. t's subject to me and by me, i bet that one as well, she views. t'will)ject to me and by me, i bet that one as well, she views. t' will)ject to whether my views. i will decide whether it's my views. i will decide whether hh-e-hh— my views. i will decide whether hh-e-hh hhe— my views. i will decide whether it's-if the phone- my views. i will decide whether it's if the phone was it's necessary if the phone was used,— it's necessary if the phone was ueeh—heh- it's necessary if the phone was ueeh—heh workl used, stroke provided for work huhheeee—he- purposes, this would be ehhheheuh— purposes, this would be different scenario as it removes the different scenario as it removes hhe-ehemeuh.- different scenario as it removesi the-element.-says the personal element. tim says if i the personal element. tim says h h wee— the personal element. tim says if i was running— the personal element. tim says if i was running the country, wee. — if i was running the country, wee. _eheuhu- if i was running the country,- yes. _should-would if i was running the country, yes. know should would if i was running the country, yes. know whathuld would if i was running the country, yes. know what boris would if i was running the country, yes. know what boris has would if i was running the country, yes. know what boris has done d you know what boris has done we.— you know what boris has done hheh. ahe— you know what boris has done hheh. hue h— you know what boris has done that. and i think— you know what boris has done that. and i think the others have— that. and i think the others have more to— that. and i think the others have more to worry about than huh.— have more to worry about than huh—huh- have more to worry about than huh—huh uh- have more to worry about than him._pull up right. him. i've got to pull up right now-twitter— him. i've got to pull up right now-twitter.well- now on twitter as well throughout— now on twitter as well- throughout-asking , throughout the show asking, weuhe—ewul throughout the show asking,- would_own personal would you hand your own personal there,— would you hand your own personal there—her— would you hand your own personal hheue,—hehlhuhhhe- phone, your phone for a public inquiry?— phone, your phone for a public inquiry? currently, you inquiry? currently, 30% of you say— inquiry? currently, 30% of you say--_ inquiry? currently, 30% of you eat. howe— inquiry? currently, 30% of you eat. how eh— inquiry? currently, 30% of you eat. how eh weu- inquiry? currently, 30% of you say . 70% of you say no. i'm say yes. 70% of you say no. i'm whhh— say yes. 70% of you say no. i'm whhh hhe— say yes. 70% of you say no. i'm whhh hhe how— say yes. 70% of you say no. i'm with the 70% right— say yes. 70% of you say no. i'm with the 70% right now. absolutely— with the 70% right now. absolutely but you're with me. we— absolutely but you're with me. hhhe he— absolutely but you're with me. hhhe he eh— absolutely but you're with me. this is gb news.— absolutely but you're with me. this is gb news. we are the heehhe-e— this is gb news. we are the people's channel. we're live on tv, people's channel. we're live on w, euhue— people's channel. we're live on tv, online and— people's channel. we're live on tv, online and on— people's channel. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio on tv, online and on digital radio eu hhe— tv, online and on digital radio eu hhe wew. — tv, online and on digital radio on the way. we'll— tv, online and on digital radio on the way. we'll be getting our heweh— on the way. we'll be getting our royal heuueuh— on the way. we'll be getting our royal roundup after the king's huwehe— royal roundup after the king's huwehe wehh— royal roundup after the king's private visit to _ royal roundup after the king's private visit to romania this week— private visit to romania this week .— private visit to romania this week . hheh-e— private visit to romania this week. that's on— private visit to romania this week . that's on the way. we'll week. that's on the way. we'll be week. that's on the way. we'll he eheeueehue— week. that's on the way. we'll be discussing all— week. that's on the way. we'll be discussing all things royal whhh—

conversation. " conversation. join me monday to thursday at 8 pm. on gb news news . thursday at 8 pm. on gb news news. good thursday at 8 pm. on gb news news . good afternoon. this is gb news. good afternoon. this is gb wewe— news. good afternoon. this is gb wewe he— news. good afternoon. this is gb wewe he tueh— news. good afternoon. this is gb news is just coming— \ good afternoon. this is gb news is just coming up to 54 mhuuhee— news is just coming up to 54 minutes after— news is just coming up to 54 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua— minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akue hhghh— minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua right now.— minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua right now. there's always eemehhhug— akua right now. there's always eemehhhug gehug— akua right now. there's always something going on in the royal heueehehe— something going on in the royal household and— something going on in the royal household and this week has been no household and this week has been ue—hhe— household and this week has been ue—hhe-hhe- no different on the menu. the huke—sueeekl no different on the menu. the. duke—sussex are duke and duchess of sussex are rehehheehw— duke and duchess of sussex are reportedly going— duke and duchess of sussex are reportedly going to take a step heck— reportedly going to take a step heek hem — reportedly going to take a step back from .public- reportedly going to take a step back from public and back from the public eye and eheh— back from the public eye and eheh whhhhue— back from the public eye and stop writing books, making documentaries— stop writing books, making documentaries and having huhewhewe— documentaries and having huhewhewe. h— documentaries and having interviews. i don't believe hheeu— interviews. i don't believe hhem. wew— interviews. i don't believe them. now, king charles has hekeu— them. now, king charles has hekeu e— them. now, king charles has hekeu e huh— them. now, king charles has taken a trip to— them. now, king charles has taken a trip to his holiday home in taken a trip to his holiday home he kemeuhe— taken a trip to his holiday home in romania. so— taken a trip to his holiday home in romania. so every saturday, i teve— in romania. so every saturday, i hewe he— in romania. so every saturday, i hewe he the— in romania. so every saturday, i hewe he give weu— in romania. so every saturday, i love to give you a— in romania. so every saturday, i love to give you a rundown. who hehheh— love to give you a rundown. who hehheh he— love to give you a rundown. who hehheh he he— love to give you a rundown. who better to do so— love to give you a rundown. who better to do so today? it's eheuh. — better to do so today? it's grant. harold— better to do so today? it's grant. harold ex royal butler. wewe—

grant. harold ex royal butler. uehhe eeew.— grant. harold ex royal butler. hello grant. it's— grant. harold ex royal butler. hello grant. it's good to see weu— hello grant. it's good to see weu. eeew— hello grant. it's good to see you. good afternoon , nana. how you. good afternoon, nana. how are you. good afternoon, nana. how weu— you. good afternoon, nana. how weu ene— you. good afternoon, nana. how you eue hm— you. good afternoon, nana. how are you on? i'm good, thank you. are are you on? i'm good, thank you. we weu— are you on? i'm good, thank you. we weu eu— are you on? i'm good, thank you. are you we ee— are you on? i'm good, thank you. are you on some cruise ship eemeweheeh— are you on some cruise ship somewhere? you're somewhere wee— somewhere? you're somewhere whee-hw— somewhere? you're somewhere nice-ii'm heck— somewhere? you're somewhere nice. i'm back home. nice. no i'm back home. i've heew— nice. no i'm back home. i've heew twe— nice. no i'm back home. i've been five weeks— nice. no i'm back home. i've been five weeks on- nice. no i'm back home. i've been five weeks on cruise ships. i've now some at home, i've now got some time at home, so enjoying some peace and so i'm enjoying some peace and quiet. right. so speaking of so i'm enjoying some peace and quiet. and ht. so speaking of so i'm enjoying some peace and quiet. and quiet,speaking of so i'm enjoying some peace and quiet. and quiet, princeig of so i'm enjoying some peace and quiet. and quiet, prince harry peace and quiet, prince harry ewe— peace and quiet, prince harry and weehew— peace and quiet, prince harry and meghan markle, they say hhewhe— and meghan markle, they sayi hhewhe—euheh, they're going to be very quiet, ehhheueh— they're going to be very quiet, although let's— they're going to be very quiet, although let's not forget, www-e— although let's not forget, www-e geh— although let's not forget, harry's got some sort of court case _on tuesday. i harry's got some sort of court. case _on tuesday. that case going on on tuesday. that uuhhe— case going on on tuesday. that uuhhe-huh— case going on on tuesday. that uuhhe-huh whhh— case going on on tuesday. that quite but what do you quite loud. but what do you think? do believe them? do think? do you believe them? do you read that there's think? do you believe them? do youicommentsj that there's. think? do you believe them? do youicomments made there's. think? do you believe them? do youicomments made thate's. think? do you believe them? do. youicomments made thate's.of been comments made that a lot of heehhe—hehwel people are getting nervous being euw— people are getting nervous being around-because— people are getting nervous being around because there is around them because there is we— around them because there is hhhe-ewh— around them because there is hhhe-ewe h— around them because there is this-and i said- around them because there is this and i said this this thing and i said this even euhhwg— this thing and i said this even during coronation during the coronation that whenever speak to anyone whenever you speak to anyone eheukhwe— whenever you speak to anyone eeeukhwglhhew— whenever you speak to anyone speaking them, they're going whenever you speak to anyone sp be ing them, they're going whenever you speak to anyone sp be worried �*iem, they're going whenever you speak to anyone sp be worried that they're going to be worried that they're going to be worried that they're going he-eh— to be worried that they're going he-ehlhuhuhe- to be part of a future documentary article documentary or a future article or documentary or a future article eh-ehew. — documentary or a future article eh-ehew. .h-w- documentary or a future article or-story.-i'm sure- documentary or a future article or story. i'm sure the or news story. and i'm sure the khwg— or news story. and i'm sure the king he— or news story. and i'm sure the khwg he hhehehhw— or news story. and i'm sure the king is probably over the moon whhh— king is probably over the moon whhh hhhe— king is probably over the moon with this news.— king is probably over the moon with this news. _ king is probably over the moon with this news. l with this news. hopefully it is true that they are going to stop , stop they're and , stop what they're doing and become private. i use that at home. that's what they mean by we— home. that's what they mean by hhhe hheh— home. that's what they mean by this, that they're— that's what they mean by this, that they're going to heee— this, that they're going to become private and they're going to become private and they're going he—huh— become private and they're going he—huh whe- to stop all these. but who kwewee— to stop all these. but who knows?-it's- to stop all these. but who- knows?-it's difficult knows? you know, it's difficult to knows? you know, it's difficult he eew. — knows? you know, it's difficult he euw. they're— knows? you know, it's difficult to say. 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but all again but it could all change again within two. so within another month or two. so i there's always going to i think there's always going to be i think there's always going to he—hei i think there's always going to he—he hw be people always going to say in her— be people always going to say in hheh—whhh- be people always going to say in their—with the . their side of caution with the we— their side of caution with the hwe—whe - their side of caution with the| two _who knows, two of them, but who knows, wewhe— two of them, but who knows, wewe-her— two of them, but who knows, maybe,-for some- two of them, but who knows, maybe, for some reason two of them, but who knows, maybe, decided or some reason two of them, but who knows, maybe, decided it'some reason two of them, but who knows, maybe, decided it's time'eason two of them, but who knows, maybe, decided it's time to son they've decided it's time to eheh— they've decided it's time to eheh ewe— they've decided it's time to stop and start— they've decided it's time to- stop and start-support stop and start trying to support the stop and start trying to support hhe keyw— stop and start trying to support the royal family. chit" e stop and start trying to support the royal family. co" e the royal family. i don't think they understand the word of privacy. that's the privacy. perhaps that's what the problem they don't it. problem is. they don't get it. they that they don't understand what that means. so that's they're means. so that's why they're struggling about struggling with it. what about king charles? he's visiting romania a home in romania. has he got a home in romania? that is that correct romania? is that is that correct or is that my understanding? well, the thing well, do you know the thing eheuh— well, do you know the thing eheuh-hhhwe— well, do you know the thing about-thing-the. well, do you know the thing about thing the king about the thing about the king in about the thing about the king hw—weww- about the thing about the king- hw—weww-kwew in romania? not many people know he's in romania? not many people know hee—hemme- in romania? not many people know he's—romania. he's. he's got a home in romania. he's hee—ewee- had it. iwouldn't say since eheuh— had it. i wouldn't say since eheuh—whew had it. i wouldn't say since about—when was about 2016. but even when i was here— about 2016. but even when i was hhere—whehhe- about 2016. but even when i was there, _visits to i there, he used to have visits to kewewhe— there, he used to have visits to kewewhe ewe— there, he used to have visits to romania and he's— there, he used to have visits to romania and he's he's got wewee— romania and he's he's got friends out— romania and he's he's got friends out there. it's not too far friends out there. it's not too few heew — friends out there. it's not too far from serbia,— friends out there. it's not too far from serbia, which again, is where— far from serbia, which again, is where-whe— far from serbia, which again, is where-his-father's- where his his late father's wehheh— where his his late father's wehheh we— where his his late father's mother was obviously a grandparents- mother was obviously a grandparents were from serbia . grandparents were from serbia. hhehe-e— grandparents were from serbia. hhehe-e e— grandparents were from serbia. hhehe-e e heh— grandparents were from serbia. there's a lot of— grandparents were from serbia. there's a lot of historical connections— there's a lot of historical connections with that, that part of connections with that, that part eh hwe— connections with that, that part ehhhe wewe. — connections with that, that part of the world. so _ connections with that, that part of the world. so it— connections with that, that part of the world. e : e of the world. so it doesn't surprise me that the king actually has got a home there. and nana, as i'm sure that many of and nana, as i'm sure that many eh-hhehewehe— and nana, as i'm sure that many of-listeners and— and nana, as i'm sure that many of listeners and viewers are of the listeners and viewers are ewehelhe-e— of the listeners and viewers are aware he's somebody enjoys aware, he's somebody that enjoys hhhweew— aware, he's somebody that enjoys hhhweew-we— aware, he's somebody that enjoys hhhweew-we hewee- aware, he's somebody that enjoys privacy he loves the

privacy time out. he loves the eeuwhwehee— privacy time out. he loves the countryside and— privacy time out. he loves the countryside and romania, so he ewewe— countryside and romania, so he ewewe being— countryside and romania, so he ewewe being hw— countryside and romania, so he enjoys being in the. i should ehee— enjoys being in the. i should also mention— enjoys being in the. i should also mention that highgrove , also mention that highgrove, hhew— also mention that highgrove, hhew eehuehhw— also mention that highgrove, they actually seeds. there's they actually got seeds. there's a they actually got seeds. there's e—eeewu- they actually got seeds. there's e—eeewe hw- they actually got seeds. there's a_meadow in some. they actually got seeds. there's a meadow in some of a wildflower meadow in some of the a wildflower meadow in some of hhe—hhew — a wildflower meadow in some of the—from romania. a wildflower meadow in some of the from romania as the seeds came from romania as wet.— the seeds came from romania as wehh-heew— the seeds came from romania as well.-been this- the seeds came from romania as well. been this long well. so there's been this long hehehhewehhh— well. so there's been this long relationship with— well. so there's been this long relationship with romania and it eeeew-h— relationship with romania and it doesn't surprise— relationship with romania and it doesn't surprise me when he goes here— doesn't surprise me when he goes hhehe-eeeehe— doesn't surprise me when he goes there-escape from - there to maybe escape from ewewhhhwe— there to maybe escape from ewewhhhwe her— there to maybe escape from everything for little bit. everything for a little bit. i hhewe— everything for a little bit. i hhewe-h-u— everything for a little bit. i blame-i'd-to- everything for a little bit. i blame-i'd-to to blame him. i'd love to escape to a romania. i can't a home in romania. i can't afford what about a home in romania. i can't afforand what about a home in romania. i can't afforand kate? what about a home in romania. i can't afforand kate? they'revhat about a home in romania. i can't afforand kate? they're headingut will and kate? they're heading to wedding in to they went to the wedding in jordan, ? which i jordan, didn't they? which i thought really nice . thought was really quite nice. it apparently it was it was nice. apparently it was etee— it was nice. apparently it was ehee e— it was nice. apparently it was ehee e hhh— it was nice. apparently it was ehee e hhh eh— it was nice. apparently it was also a bit of a— it was nice. apparently it was also a bit of a surprise. i understand— also a bit of a surprise. i understand that beatrice, whweeee— understand that beatrice,- princess—husband understand that beatrice,- prinhalso_husband understand that beatrice, prinhalso there husband understand that beatrice, prinhalso there , husband understand that beatrice, prinhalso there , part husband understand that beatrice, prinhalso there , part i40;band understand that beatrice, prinhalso there , part 140 guests. was also there, part 140 guests. huh— was also there, part 140 guests. huh h— was also there, part 140 guests. huh h hheuehh— was also there, part 140 guests. but i thought it— was also there, part 140 guests. but i thought it was quite nice. awe—e— but i thought it was quite nice. awe—e weee- and they've got a close relationship— and they've got a close- relationship-jordanian relationship with the jordanian keweh—eeehw- relationship with the jordanian keweh—eeehw ,- relationship with the jordanian keweh—eeehw , h- relationship with the jordanian royal again , i wasn't royal family. so again, i wasn't euhhhheeu— royal family. so again, i wasn't surprised-this.— royal family. so again, i wasn't surprised this. noticed royal family. so again, i wasn't surpriwas this. noticed royal family. so again, i wasn't surpriwas other;. noticed royal family. so again, i wasn't surpriwas other members! there was other members of ehhhehewh— there was other members of different royal— there was other members of different royal families there as different royal families there ee-.— different royal families there ee- awe— different royal families there as-. and again,- different royal families there as . and again, it shows as well. and again, it shows he— as well. and again, it shows he euhhe— as well. and again, it shows it's quite nice— as well. and again, it shows it's quite nice to— as well. and again, it shows it's quite nice to see the whwee— it's quite nice to see the prince and— it's quite nice to see the prince and princess of wales carrying— prince and princess of wales carrying euh— prince and princess of wales carrying out these official engagements. _ carrying out these official engagements. now know, kind carrying out these official en goingients. now know, kind carrying out these official en going forward )w know, kind carrying out these official en going forward and know, kind carrying out these official en going forward and sometw, kind carrying out these official en going forward and some people of going forward and some people whehh— of going forward and some people whehh hhhwk— of going forward and some people might think, well,— of going forward and some people might think, well, why was it not might think, well, why was it weh hwe— might think, well, why was it weh hhe king?— might think, well, why was it not the king? 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ewe—ee- even though they're saying it ewe—ee weui and then you've got, as you wewhheweeh— and then you've got, as you mentioned, the— and then you've got, as you mentioned, the taxi driver eewhwe — mentioned, the taxi driver eewhwe hheh-e— mentioned, the taxi driver saying that's not what happened. wett— well, it's embarrassing. and i'm wewhe— well, it's embarrassing. and i'm wewhe h— well, it's embarrassing. and i'm sure maybe i don't— well, it's embarrassing. and i'm sure maybe i don't know why. i uew-h— sure maybe i don't know why. i uew-h knew— sure maybe i don't know why. i don't know whether— sure maybe i don't know why. i don't know whether somebody is there her advice , whether there giving her advice, whether it's advice, know it's their advice, don't know where coming from. where all this is coming from. and just doesn't sense. where all this is coming from. and which doesn't sense. where all this is coming from. and which istesn't sense. where all this is coming from. and which is whyt sense. where all this is coming from. and which is why i'm sense. where all this is coming from. l and which is why i'm-se going and which is why i'm glad. going heek— and which is why i'm glad. going heck—eew— and which is why i'm glad. going back—said earlier- and which is why i'm glad. going back said earlier on, back to what we said earlier on, we— back to what we said earlier on, hheh-ehe— back to what we said earlier on, hheh-ehe eehwe- back to what we said earlier on, that-are going to- back to what we said earlier on, that are going to stop that if they are going to stop all that if they are going to stop ehh hheee— that if they are going to stop all these kind— that if they are going to stop all these kind documentaries all these kind of documentaries ewe— all these kind of documentaries ewe khwe— all these kind of documentaries ewe khwh eh— all these kind of documentaries and kind of stories and things, if and kind of stories and things, hh-eehwe— and kind of stories and things, hh-eehwe he— and kind of stories and things, hh-eehwe he eheh- and kind of stories and things, if-going to stop, i- if they are going to stop, i hhhwk— if they are going to stop, i hhhwk-hwe— if they are going to stop, i think the wisest thing think it's the wisest thing hhew-we — think it's the wisest thing they've - since - think it's the wisest thing they've - since they they've done since the day they got they've done since the day they eeh wewhee. — they've done since the day they got married. _it's- they've done since the day they got married. it's the got married. i think it's the heeh— got married. i think it's the heeh hhhwe— got married. i think it's the best thing they're going to do is best thing they're going to do he-ehh— best thing they're going to do he-ehhlhhhe- best thing they're going to do is-alllthis-justl is to stop all of this and just heeue— is to stop all of this and just heeue-hehw - is to stop all of this and just focus _farm and- is to stop all of this and just focus farm and what focus on their farm and what hhew— focus on their farm and what hhew-ee. — focus on their farm and what hhew-ee. -hhewi they want to do. and if they wew— they want to do. and if they want-continue _ they want to do. and if they want continue part of want to continue being part of the want to continue being part of hhe—hheh-el the royal family then that's a eheeueehew— the royal family then that's a discussion-be— the royal family then that's a discussion be had with the discussion to be had with the king— discussion to be had with the khwe-heheh— discussion to be had with the king-later date.- discussion to be had with the king later date. but at the king at a later date. but at the weewh— king at a later date. but at the wewewh-wu- king at a later date. but at the moment, you focus on king at a later date. but at the m0iprivate you focus on king at a later date. but at the m0iprivate lives you focus on king at a later date. but at the m0iprivate lives ,you focus on king at a later date. but at the m0iprivate lives , ifu focus on king at a later date. but at the m0iprivate lives , if you'll; on the private lives, if you'll wewe— the private lives, if you'll have background, have them background, but i heuhh— have them background, but i heuhh hh. — have them background, but i doubt it. listen.— have them background, but i doubt it. their“ �*wa�*hzgl doubt it. listen. well, he's a nice man . he doubt it. listen. well, he's a nice man. he will doubt it. listen. well, he's a nice man . he will actually nice man. he will actually listen. always listen. grant, it's always a pleasure. thank you so much. this news. that is grant. this is gb news. that is grant. harold. we're live on tv online and radio. more to and on digital radio. more to come next hour .

come in the next hour. it is 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . and for the next nana akua. and for the next houn nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines right now hitting the headlines right now . on way, be joined by . on the way, i'll be joined by a narcissistic abuse recovery coach to find out how to spot a narcissistic, abusive relationship . if maybe you're in relationship. if maybe you're in one, stay listening is fascinating. all of that stuff. then on the way, the great british debate this hour and i'm asking, should rishi sunak scrap inheritance tax ? but first, inheritance tax? but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines elson . headlines with bethany elson. nana. thank you. hello there. hw— nana. thank you. hello there. h-w hehheww— nana. thank you. hello there. i'm bethany elsey_ here? thank you. hello there. i'm bethany elsey with your top ehehhee— i'm bethany elsey with your top ehehhee heew — i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the— i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom. at heeh,— stories from the gb newsroom. at heeh, hwe— stories from the gb newsroom. at 5:01, the prime— stories from the gb newsroom. at 5:01, the prime minister, rishi suwek,— 5:01, the prime minister, rishi suwek, hee— 5:01, the prime minister, rishi sunak, has offered his condolences- sunak, has offered his condolences to the families of hheee— condolences to the families of those killed— condolences to the families of those killed in— condolences to the families of those killed in a— condolences to the families of those killed in a train crash in whe.— those killed in a train crash in hwehe. kh— those killed in a train crash in india. at least— those killed in a train crash in india. at least 288 people have whee.— india. at least 288 people have eheu. awh— india. at least 288 people have died. and around— india. at least 288 people have died. and around 850 injured, wekhwe— died. and around 850 injured, wekhwe hh— died. and around 850 injured, wekhwg hh hwe— died. and around 850 injured, making it the country's deadliest— making it the country's deadliest rail incident in more

hhew— deadliest rail incident in more hhew hwe— deadliest rail incident in more than two decades. the army has heew— than two decades. the army has heew eehheweu— than two decades. the army has been deployed to— than two decades. the army has been deployed to help with the eeewh— been deployed to help with the eeeheh ewe — been deployed to help with the search and rescue— been deployed to help with the search and rescue operations . as search and rescue operations. as hwehe-e— search and rescue operations. as hwehe-e ewwe— search and rescue operations. as india's prime minister narendra weuh — india's prime minister narendra weuh hee— india's prime minister narendra modi has visited— india's prime minister narendra modi has visited the site in oehehe— modi has visited the site in odisha state.— modi has visited the site in odisha state. i— modi has visited the site in odisha state. i sajid javid nana i odisha state. i sajid javid nana h ew— odisha state. i sajid javid nana h ew eeehw— odisha state. i sajid javid nana i am deeply pained. tidy i am deeply pained. many heeeewgehe— i am deeply pained. many passengers from different states have lost something during this journey . we, the people who have journey. we, the people who have lost their lives. it's beyond sad and very disturbing . the sad and very disturbing. the government will leave- g the government will leave no stone uwhuhwee— government will leave no stone uwhuhweu ewe— government will leave no stone unturned and will— government will leave no stone unturned and will provide the heeh— unturned and will provide the best treatment _ unturned and will provide the best treatment to the people he — best treatment to the people he heew— best treatment to the people who've been injured. the hehehhwee— who've been injured. the relatives who _ who've been injured. the relatives who we've lost can't come back. but the government is with their families in this hour of grief , the epsom jockey club of grief, the epsom jockey club has praised the swift and decisive action of police after they detained two protesters at they detained two protesters at the epsom derby as they tried to run on to the course . in total, run on to the course. in total, 31 run on to the course. in total, eh hheheehehe— run on to the course. in total, 31 protesters have— run on to the course. in total, 31 protesters have been- " hit" chi]. in total, 31 protesters have been arrested for 31 protesters have been arrested her ehhewhhhwe— 31 protesters have been arrested for attempting to— 31 protesters have been arrested for attempting to disrupt the ewewh— for attempting to disrupt the ewewh ,— for attempting to disrupt the ewewh , whhh— for attempting to disrupt the event , with 12— for attempting to disrupt the event , with 12 arrests made at event, with 12 arrests made at hhe— event, with 12 arrests made at hhe eheuwe— event, with 12 arrests made at hhe ground ee— event, with 12 arrests made at the ground as animal rising has

hweeheweu— the ground as animal rising has threatened to— the ground as animal rising has threatened to cancel or severely hehew— threatened to cancel or severely eehew hhe — threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse— threatened to cancel or severely delay the horse racing event . delay the horse racing event. huh— delay the horse racing event. huh hh— delay the horse racing event. huh hh hhe— delay the horse racing event. huh hh he 90— delay the horse racing event. but it did go ahead as planned . but it did go ahead as planned. hhe— but it did go ahead as planned. the eheuh— but it did go ahead as planned. the eheuh hee— but it did go ahead as planned. the group has accused surrey hehhee— the group has accused surrey hehhee eh— the group has accused surrey police of abusing— the group has accused surrey police of abusing their powers ewh— police of abusing their powers ewe heuhee— police of abusing their powers and louise hazelwood from animal khehwe— and louise hazelwood from animal khehwe eewe— and louise hazelwood from animal khehwe eewe hhew-he— and louise hazelwood from animal rising says they're happy with heew-e— rising says they're happy with today's outcome. that was one of our goals, but the second goal, and probably an extremely important one, is that we wanted to start a national conversation. we wanted people to be talking about what happened today, what happens to the horse racing , but the horses in horse racing, but you know, also to animals in other industries. you know, in sport, entertainment and in our food system . thousands of people food system. thousands of people ehhewehwe— food system. thousands of people ehhewehwe eeewe— food system. thousands of people attending sports and— : tag thousands of people attending sports and music eewhe— attending sports and music events have— attending sports and music events have faced major ehehuhhhew— events have faced major disruption on— events have faced major disruption on the rail network hehew— disruption on the rail network heeew ee— disruption on the rail network today, as members of the aslef uwhew— today, as members of the aslef uwhew 90— today, as members of the aslef uwhew 90 ew— today, as members of the aslef union go on strike.— today, as members of the aslef union go on strike. it's the hhhw— union go on strike. it's the hhhe eew— union go on strike. it's the hhhe eew eh— union go on strike. it's the third day of industrial action hhhe— third day of industrial action hhhe week— third day of industrial action this week affecting those hhewehhhwe— this week affecting those travelling to _ this week affecting those travelling to the epsom derby ewe— travelling to the epsom derby ewe hhe— travelling to the epsom derby ewe hhe hh— travelling to the epsom derby and the fa cup— travelling to the epsom derby and the fa cup final at wembley sher— and the fa cup final at wembley shew chef— and the fa cup final at wembley shew chef eh— and the fa cup final at wembley star chef at 15— and the fa cup final at wembley star chef at 15 train operating eewewhee— star chef at 15 train operating companies have— star chef at 15 train operating companies have walked out in an eweehwe— companies have walked out in an ongoing ehehuhe— companies have walked out in an ongoing dispute over pay and eewehhhewe— ongoing dispute over pay and conditions as— ongoing dispute over pay and conditions as phillip schofield

eewe— conditions as phillip schofield eewe hee— conditions as phillip schofield says, he's afraid— conditions as phillip schofield says, he's afraid to leave his wewe— says, he's afraid to leave his hewe ether— says, he's afraid to leave his home after admitting to an eweh— home after admitting to an eweh whhh— home after admitting to an affair with a _ home after admitting to an affair with a much younger male eehheeeue— affair with a much younger male eehheeeue eh— affair with a much younger male colleague at this— affair with a much younger male colleague at this morning. the 61 colleague at this morning. the eh year— colleague at this morning. the eh year ehe— colleague at this morning. the 61 year old resigned from itv ewe— 61 year old resigned from itv ewe wee— 61 year old resigned from itv and was dropped— 61 year old resigned from itv and was dropped by his talent eeewew— and was dropped by his talent eeewew eweh— and was dropped by his talent agency over the— and was dropped by his talent agency over the scandal in a new hwhewhew— agency over the scandal in a new hwhewhew whhh— agency over the scandal in a new interview with the— agency over the scandal in a new interview with the sun, schofield _ interview with the sun, schofield said he fears being eheh— schofield said he fears being eheh ew— schofield said he fears being eheh ew hw— schofield said he fears being spat on in the— schofield said he fears being spat on in the street and that hee— spat on in the street and that we eehhhwe— spat on in the street and that we eehhhwe hw— spat on in the street and that he's getting by hour by hour whhh— he's getting by hour by hour whhh euhhehh— he's getting by hour by hour with support from his daughters and with support from his daughters ewe hwhewhe— with support from his daughters and friends. depher oil prices heu— and friends. depher oil prices hehh hw— and friends. depher oil prices hehh hw e— and friends. depher oil prices fell by a record— and friends. depher oil prices fell by a record of almost £0.12 heeh— fell by a record of almost £0.12 heeh weww— fell by a record of almost £0.12 last month, the— fell by a record of almost £0.12 last month, the biggest drop for hwe— last month, the biggest drop for over two decades.— last month, the biggest drop for over two decades. the rac says the over two decades. the rac says hhe wewee— over two decades. the rac says the average price— over two decades. the rac says the average price of diesel went hhew— the average price of diesel went hhew hee— the average price of diesel went from 158.9 pence— the average price of diesel went from 158.9 pence to 140 £0.07 in hhew. — from 158.9 pence to 140 £0.07 in hhew. hhe— from 158.9 pence to 140 £0.07 in mav- hh-e hhe— from 158.9 pence to 140 £0.07 in may. it's the seventh consecutive - may. it's the seventh consecutive month in which uk pump— consecutive month in which uk huwh eweee— consecutive month in which uk huwh eweee wewe— consecutive month in which uk pump prices have fallen, heuuehwe— pump prices have fallen, reducing the— pump prices have fallen, reducing the cost of filling up a reducing the cost of filling up e hwhheeh— reducing the cost of filling up ehwhheeh hewhhw— reducing the cost of filling up a typical family car by £6.50. hehheh— a typical family car by £6.50. petrol prices— a typical family car by £6.50. petrol prices also— a typical family car by £6.50. petrol prices also fell by £0.03 heeh— petrol prices also fell by £0.03 heeh weww— petrol prices also fell by £0.03 last month, with— petrol prices also fell by £0.03 last month, with scotland's weh— last month, with scotland's first minister— last month, with scotland's first minister says there's never been a— first minister says there's never been a more important time for never been a more important time her hhe— never been a more important time her hhe eeuwhw— never been a more important time for the country to— never been a more important time for the country to become independent.— for the country to become independent. humza yousaf claims weehwhweheh— independent. humza yousaf claims weehwhweheh he— independent. humza yousaf claims westminster is failing to

euhhehh— westminster is failing to support people in scotland huhhwe— support people in scotland uuhhwe hhe— support people in scotland during the cost— support people in scotland during the cost of living ewehe— during the cost of living crisis. he's— during the cost of living crisis. he's also accused labour of crisis. he's also accused labour eh ehhhhwe— crisis. he's also accused labour eh ehhhhwe ew— crisis. he's also accused labour of sitting on their— crisis. he's also accused labour of sitting on their hands while the of sitting on their hands while hhe hehhee— of sitting on their hands while the tories undermine the seehhheh— the tories undermine the scottish government. the first whwheheh— scottish government. the first whwheheh hee— scottish government. the first minister has promised the snp whhh— minister has promised the snp whhh huhhu— minister has promised the snp will build an— minister has promised the snp will build an economy that works for will build an economy that works her wehkhwe— will build an economy that works for working families . president for working families. president vheehwh— for working families. president vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine is vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine he eeew— vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine he eeew he— vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch— vladimir zelenskyy says ukraine is ready to launch its counter—offensive against kueehe— counter—offensive against russia. speaking to the wall shheeh— russia. speaking to the wall street journal, _ russia. speaking to the wall street journal, mr zelenskyy eehe— street journal, mr zelenskyy eehe he— street journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes— street journal, mr zelenskyy said he believes ukraine will eueeeee— said he believes ukraine will eueeeee hw— said he believes ukraine will succeed in recapturing russian eeeuhhee— succeed in recapturing russian occupied territory. but doesn't knew— occupied territory. but doesn't kwew wew— occupied territory. but doesn't kwew hew hewe— occupied territory. but doesn't know how long it— occupied territory. but doesn't know how long it will take. kyiv hhewheuehw— know how long it will take. kyiv hhewheuehw eehe— know how long it will take. kyiv previously said it— know how long it will take. kyiv previously said it needed more weehehw— previously said it needed more western armoured vehicles before the western armoured vehicles before hhe hhehhheek— western armoured vehicles before the fightback could begin . the fightback could begin. kueehe— the fightback could begin. russia currently holds swathes of russia currently holds swathes eh ukhehwhew— russia currently holds swathes of ukrainian territory in the eeeh— of ukrainian territory in the eeeh eeuhh— of ukrainian territory in the east south and— of ukrainian territory in the east south and southeast , and of ukrainian territory in the east south and southeast, and a uk east south and southeast, and a uk hhekeh— east south and southeast, and a uk ticket holder— east south and southeast, and a uk ticket holder won more than hhhe— uk ticket holder won more than hhhe whhhhew— uk ticket holder won more than £110 million in— uk ticket holder won more than £110 million in last night's euromillions— £110 million in last night's euromillions jackpot . the euromillions jackpot. the uwwewee— euromillions jackpot. the unnamed winner is now richer hhew— unnamed winner is now richer than footballer— unnamed winner is now richer than footballer harry kane , than footballer harry kane, eeheh— than footballer harry kane, actor daniel— than footballer harry kane, actor daniel radcliffe and ehweeh— actor daniel radcliffe and ehweeh hue— actor daniel radcliffe and singer dua lipa. that's eeeewhwe— singer dua lipa. that's according to- singer dua lipa. that's according to the sunday times

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levy has been abandoned by much of the western world. today levy has been abandoned by much of tiasking,ern world. today levy has been abandoned by much of tiasking, shouldld. today levy has been abandoned by much of tiasking, should rishi today levy has been abandoned by much of tiasking, should rishi sunak i'm asking, should rishi sunak scrap inheritance tax and my difficult conversation for today is a survivor of narcissistic abuse , turning her harrowing abuse, turning her harrowing experience into becoming the uk's leading specialist for narcissist abuse recovery and also joining me will be psychotherapist and also ex itv's agony, aunt lucy beresford . email me, aslef. gb views gb news .com or tweet me at . gb news .com or tweet me at. gb news. so it's time now for difficult conversations . despite difficult conversations. despite being little known and often misunderstood, narcissistic abuse is frighteningly common and can occur in any type of relationship. a romantic one, a familiar one in friends and in the workplace. and ronnie fraser is a survivor of narcissistic abuse. is a survivor of narcissistic abuse . now she turned her abuse. now she turned her harrowing experience into becoming the uk's leading specialist narcissistic specialist for narcissistic abuse recovery. would you know if you were in a narcissistic, abusive relationship, what would

be signs ? so to discuss be the signs? so to discuss this, joined narcissistic this, i'm joined by narcissistic abuse recovery coach ronnie fraser and also broadcaster and ex itv. this morning, agony aunt lucy beresford . she's a lucy beresford. she's a psychotherapist as well. well, listen , i'm going to start with listen, i'm going to start with your story first. ronnie, talk to this a because ithink to me. this is a because i think ionce to me. this is a because i think i once went out with somebody who was slightly narcissistic. if i dare say learned lessons if i dare say i learned lessons there that i haven't talked to me about. your story. ronnie, there that i haven't talked to me awas. your story. ronnie, there that i haven't talked to me awas yourr story. ronnie, there that i haven't talked to me awas your story]. ronnie, there that i haven't talked to me awas your story within ie, there that i haven't talked to me awas your story within it, there that i haven't talked to me awas your story within it? what was your story within it? well, in in a nutshell, i was at a well, in in a nutshell, i was at e hehwh— well, in in a nutshell, i was at e hehwh hw— well, in in a nutshell, i was at e hehwh hw ww— well, in in a nutshell, i was at a point in my life— well, in in a nutshell, i was at a point in my life where i hheuehh— a point in my life where i hheuehh h— a point in my life where i thought i was— a point in my life where i thought i was living my best hhhe— thought i was living my best hhhe ewe— thought i was living my best life and then— thought i was living my best life and then i— thought i was living my best life and then i got involved whhh— life and then i got involved whhh hhe— life and then i got involved with the wrong— life and then i got involved with the wrong person and hhhehehhw— with the wrong person and literally overnight, my whole life literally overnight, my whole hhhe ee— literally overnight, my whole life came crashing down. and i uwwe— life came crashing down. and i hhwhwe hw— life came crashing down. and i was living in la— life came crashing down. and i was living in la at— life came crashing down. and i was living in la at the time and i was living in la at the time and h hee— was living in la at the time and h we e— was living in la at the time and h we e heew— was living in la at the time and i had a really successful career hhwewee— i had a really successful career finance career and— i had a really successful career finance career and music hweuehw. — finance career and music hweuehw. h— finance career and music industry. i had- finance career and music industry. i had a house in the wehhwweee— industry. i had a house in the hollywood hills,— industry. i had a house in the hollywood hills, so i was living my cehhhehwhe— hollywood hills, so i was living my california dream at and next hwhe— my california dream at and next hhhwe h— my california dream at and next hhhwe h kwew— my california dream at and next hhhwe h kwew, h— my california dream at and next thing i knew, i went from this weww— thing i knew, i went from this highly functioning woman that i've highly functioning woman that the ehwewe— highly functioning woman that i've always been— highly functioning woman that i've always been to, not being

huwehhewhwe— i've always been to, not being functioning at— i've always been to, not being functioning at all. and at that hehwh— functioning at all. and at that hehwh h,— functioning at all. and at that hehwh ., eh— functioning at all. and at that point i, of course,— functioning at all. and at that point i, of course, didn't know wheh— point i, of course, didn't know wheh hee— point i, of course, didn't know what had happened to me at all. i what had happened to me at all. h-hewe— what had happened to me at all. h-hewe hhe— what had happened to me at all. h-hewe hue-h- i didn't have the words. i hhew-h— i didn't have the words. i didn't have— i didn't have the words. i didn't have understanding . i didn't have the understanding. i just didn't have the understanding. i tueh-eewehhhwe- didn't have the understanding. i just something was just knew that something was hewhhhw— just knew that something was hewhhhw-ewe— just knew that something was terribly-and i- just knew that something was terribly and i basically terribly wrong and i basically hee— terribly wrong and i basically hee he— terribly wrong and i basically hee he heeh— terribly wrong and i basically had to drop everything i had huhhh— had to drop everything i had huhhh her— had to drop everything i had built for myself— had to drop everything i had built for myself in the us and heek— built for myself in the us and came back to— built for myself in the us and came back to the— built for myself in the us and came back to the uk because i hhhehehhw— came back to the uk because i hhhehehhw hee— came back to the uk because i literally had to— came back to the uk because i literally had to run for my the — literally had to run for my the awe— literally had to run for my life. and as— literally had to run for my life. and as a— literally had to run for my life. and as a consequence of hue,— life. and as a consequence of ha, h— life. and as a consequence of ha, h wee— life. and as a consequence of that, i was really— life. and as a consequence of that, i was really struggling whhh— that, i was really struggling whhh ww— that, i was really struggling with my mental health in the ehhehwehh— with my mental health in the aftermath of— with my mental health in the aftermath of the _ with my mental health in the aftermath of the abuse and i tueh— aftermath of the abuse and i tueh hheuehh— aftermath of the abuse and i just thought there had to be eewehhhwe— just thought there had to be something thing that could reverse the— something thing that could reverse the damage sps it was eeueee— reverse the damage sps it was caused because— reverse the damage sps it was caused because i— reverse the damage sps it was caused because i knew i hadn't ehwewe— caused because i knew i hadn't ehwewe heew— caused because i knew i hadn't always been like— caused because i knew i hadn't always been like that . but all always been like that. but all of always been like that. but all eh e— always been like that. but all eh e euehew— always been like that. but all of a sudden, you— always been like that. but all of a sudden, you know, i didn't even recognise— of a sudden, you know, i didn't even recognise myself anymore ewh— even recognise myself anymore ewe ww— even recognise myself anymore end my hhhe— even recognise myself anymore end my hhhe eh— even recognise myself anymore and my life at that point wasn't wewh— and my life at that point wasn't wewh uwwe— and my life at that point wasn't worth living. so— and my life at that point wasn't worth living. so i— and my life at that point wasn't worth living. so i kind of went on worth living. so i kind of went ew hhhe— worth living. so i kind of went on this mission— worth living. so i kind of went on this mission to— worth living. so i kind of went on this mission to find eewehhhwe— on this mission to find something that could reverse the eeweee— something that could reverse the eeweee ewe— something that could reverse the damage and which— something that could reverse the damage and which is what brings me damage and which is what brings we he— damage and which is what brings we he wheh— damage and which is what brings we he wheh h— damage and which is what brings me to what i do— damage and which is what brings me to what i do today. damage and which is what brings me to what i do today . me to what i do today. so, so hush— me to what i do today. so, so tueh whhh— me to what i do today. so, so tueh whhh hhe— me to what i do today. so, so just with the abuse that you suffered. so this was with the partner, right? how did it manifest itself then? because

you talk about it and you sort of missed the bit that people really understand what really want to understand what exactly it how it transpired in your life . well, it creeped in your life. well, it creeped in heew— your life. well, it creeped in really ehewhw— your life. well, it creeped in really slowly and— your life. well, it creeped in really slowly and i- ” l ”hi; well, it creeped in really slowly and i didn't eeeweee— really slowly and i didn't recognise it— really slowly and i didn't recognise it at- really slowly and i didn't recognise it at all because i hheuehh— recognise it at all because i hheuehh h— recognise it at all because i thought i had— recognise it at all because i thought i had met my soulmate heuee— thought i had met my soulmate because obviously— thought i had met my soulmate because obviously that's the hhhuehew— because obviously that's the illusion that— because obviously that's the illusion that a— because obviously that's the illusion that a narcissist eheehee— illusion that a narcissist creates for— illusion that a narcissist creates for the first time in my life, _ creates for the first time in my the, h— creates for the first time in my the, h hehh— creates for the first time in my life, i felt seen.— creates for the first time in my life, i felt seen. i— creates for the first time in my life, i felt seen. i felt heard. i life, i felt seen. i felt heard. h hehh— life, i felt seen. i felt heard. i felt understood. and somebody just i felt understood. and somebody tueh hewhwe— i felt understood. and somebody tueh loving me— i felt understood. and somebody just loving me just— i felt understood. and somebody just loving me just the way i awe— just loving me just the way i was. and then— just loving me just the way i was. and then very gradually wheh— was. and then very gradually wheh hehheweh— was. and then very gradually what happened was that all of a eueeew— what happened was that all of a sudden everything— what happened was that all of a sudden everything i used to love eheuh— sudden everything i used to love eheuh we— sudden everything i used to love eheuh he— sudden everything i used to love about me, he all— sudden everything i used to love about me, he all of— sudden everything i used to love about me, he all of a sudden eeehheee— about me, he all of a sudden eeehheee ewe— about me, he all of a sudden despised and the— about me, he all of a sudden despised and the whole love hewhhwe— despised and the whole love bombing that— despised and the whole love bombing that he did to draw me in bombing that he did to draw me hw huhwee— bombing that he did to draw me in turned really— bombing that he did to draw me in turned really into really de hwhewee— in turned really into really de intense deevak_ in turned really into really de intense deevak situation. the eeehhehhhwe— intense deevak situation. the gaslighting came in. i mean, it's gaslighting came in. i mean, he heee— gaslighting came in. i mean, it's become a— gaslighting came in. i mean, it's become a common term at hhhe— it's become a common term at hhhe eheee— it's become a common term at this stage where— it's become a common term at this stage where he would start ehehehhhwe— this stage where he would start ehehewhwe hhe— this stage where he would start distorting the reality to such an distorting the reality to such ew ewewh— distorting the reality to such an extent that— distorting the reality to such an extent that i— distorting the reality to such an extent that i literally hheuehh— an extent that i literally hheuehh h— an extent that i literally thought i was- an extent that i literally thought i was losing my mind and i thought i was losing my mind and h — thought i was losing my mind and hwee eehwe— thought i was losing my mind and hwee going crazy— thought i was losing my mind and hwee going crazy .— thought i was losing my mind and i was going crazy . identity i was going crazy. identity

erosion and— i was going crazy. identity erosion and really taking out ewew— erosion and really taking out ewew khwe— erosion and really taking out ewew khwh eh— erosion and really taking out every kind of building block hheh— every kind of building block hheh weee— every kind of building block hheh weee uh— every kind of building block that made up who i was. and here— that made up who i was. and here wee— that made up who i was. and there were things— that made up who i was. and there were things like intention and there were things like intention ewe eheeh— there were things like intention and sleep deprivation. there hhhwee— and sleep deprivation. there were things like— and sleep deprivation. there were things like triangular ehhew. — were things like triangular ation. there— were things like triangular ation. there were always other heewe— ation. there were always other people involved _ ation. there were always other people involved to make sure hheh— people involved to make sure hheh h— people involved to make sure hheh h weuhu— people involved to make sure that i would know that i would he— that i would know that i would he eeeh— that i would know that i would never be good enough. the eheehhwe— never be good enough. the cheating, the— never be good enough. the cheating, the lying there were ewee— cheating, the lying there were drugs involved. _ cheating, the lying there were drugs involved. i— cheating, the lying there were drugs involved. i got spiked over an extended period of time, but over an extended period of time, huh h— over an extended period of time, huh h hhew-h— over an extended period of time, but i didn't know— over an extended period of time, but i didn't know because you ehwheuehw— but i didn't know because you obviously don't— but i didn't know because you obviously don't really think hheh— obviously don't really think hheh hhe— obviously don't really think that the person _ obviously don't really think that the person who's closest to you— that the person who's closest to weu weuhh— that the person who's closest to you weuhe ee— that the person who's closest to you would do something like that to you would do something like that he weu— you would do something like that he weu wwew— you would do something like that to you, which and— you would do something like that to you, which and obviously weuhe— to you, which and obviously wewe-hhe— to you, which and obviously would his mission easier. would make his mission easier. awe— would make his mission easier. awe hhehe— would make his mission easier. awe hhehe wee— would make his mission easier. and there was so— would make his mission easier. and there was so much happening . huh— and there was so much happening . huh wwew— and there was so much happening . but when you're— and there was so much happening . but when you're in— and there was so much happening . but when you're in it, you eew-h— . but when you're in it, you don't realise— . but when you're in it, you don't realise what's happening. you don't realise what's happening. heu tueh— don't realise what's happening. keu tueh kwew— don't realise what's happening. you just know that all of a eueeew— you just know that all of a sudden nothing— you just know that all of a sudden nothing makes sense ewwewe— sudden nothing makes sense anmorev ewe— sudden nothing makes sense anymore and you feel like a drug which— anymore and you feel like a drug addict because— anymore and you feel like a drug addict because you— anymore and you feel like a drug addict because you just can't he— addict because you just can't seem to leave.— addict because you just can't seem to leave. you feel like weue— seem to leave. you feel like y0'rue heehwe— seem to leave. you feel like you're losing your mind. so it's a you're losing your mind. so it's e heew— you're losing your mind. so it's e heehhw ,— you're losing your mind. so it's e really , heew— you're losing your mind. so it's a really , really horrible place a really, really horrible place to a really, really horrible place he he. — a really, really horrible place he he. weh.— a really, really horrible place to be. �*wa�*hzgl :" e a really, really horrible place to be. �*wa�*hzgl : " e a really, really horrible place to be. ruiz“ : " e to be. well, wouldn't you say that? because i'm going to i'm going to bring in lucy harrison,

psychotherapist i've only psychotherapist and i've only talked triangle nation. talked about triangle nation. what exactly ? what was? what is that exactly? what was? well, in this context , it's well, in this context, it's eheuh— well, in this context, it's about having— well, in this context, it's about having other people who are reinforcing— about having other people who are reinforcing the narcissists heheheehhwe— are reinforcing the narcissists heheheehhwe ,— are reinforcing the narcissists perspective , which undermines perspective, which undermines wew— perspective, which undermines weuheewee eh— perspective, which undermines your sense of self— perspective, which undermines your sense of self and your eh— your sense of self and your sense of reality,— your sense of self and your sense of reality, because there is sense of reality, because there he hhhe— sense of reality, because there he hhhe ehheh— sense of reality, because there is this other gang, whether it's hheh— is this other gang, whether it's hheh hewhhw— is this other gang, whether it's their family members, maybe some eehheeeuee— their family members, maybe some colleagues they've— their family members, maybe some colleagues they've brought on ehhe, — colleagues they've brought on ehhe, ewe— colleagues they've brought on ehhe, ewe hhew— colleagues they've brought on site, and they will often say , site, and they will often say, oh,— site, and they will often say, on huh— site, and they will often say, oh, but so—and—so says this eheuh— oh, but so—and—so says this eheuh weu— oh, but so—and—so says this eheuh weu. se— oh, but so—and—so says this about you. so there's this apart ewewh— about you. so there's this apart errant sense of— about you. so there's this apart errant sense of corroboration hheh— errant sense of corroboration hheh weue— errant sense of corroboration that you're the _ errant sense of corroboration that you're the bad person, weuhe— that you're the bad person, weuhe hhe— that you're the bad person, you're the failure , you're or you're the failure, you're or weuhe— you're the failure, you're or weuhe hhe— you're the failure, you're or you're the inadequate one, while the narcissist— you're the inadequate one, while the narcissist who _ you're the inadequate one, while the narcissist who i— you're the inadequate one, while the narcissist who i mean, there h— the narcissist who i mean, there h hhhwk— the narcissist who i mean, there are, i think people— the narcissist who i mean, there are, i think people really need to understand— are, i think people really need to understand there are four wueh— to understand there are four hhhhehe— to understand there are four main pillars of— to understand there are four main pillars of narcissism. khhheueh— main pillars of narcissism. although ronnie has identified a eeuhhe— although ronnie has identified a eeuhhe eh— although ronnie has identified a couple of other— although ronnie has identified a couple of other ones which i'll ewlhw— couple of other ones which i'll ewlhw e— couple of other ones which i'll come on in a minute. but the come on to in a minute. but the wueh— come on to in a minute. but the heur— come on to in a minute. but the main four depher— come on to in a minute. but the main four depher are a sense of ewhhhhewewh— main four depher are a sense of ewhhhhewewh eh— main four depher are a sense of entitlement or grandiosity that hheh— entitlement or grandiosity that that somehow— entitlement or grandiosity that that somehow they're in control ewh— that somehow they're in control ewe hhew-he— that somehow they're in control ewe hhewhe wew— that somehow they're in control and they're very important. a lot and they're very important. a heh eh— and they're very important. a lot of cruelty— and they're very important. a lot of cruelty or— and they're very important. a lot of cruelty or callous behaviour,— lot of cruelty or callous behaviour, which can either be hhweheeh— behaviour, which can either be hhweheeh eh— behaviour, which can either be hhweheeh eh hh— behaviour, which can either be physical or it could be verbal

ehhe— physical or it could be verbal .ue, hh— physical or it could be verbal able, it could— physical or it could be verbal able, it could be— physical or it could be verbal able, it could be emotional, heweheheeheeh— able, it could be emotional, psychological feel, a sense of anger— psychological feel, a sense of anger eh— psychological feel, a sense of anger eh e heh— psychological feel, a sense of anger or a lot of— psychological feel, a sense of anger or a lot of impulsive hehewheuh— anger or a lot of impulsive behaviour that— anger or a lot of impulsive behaviour that comes across as wew— behaviour that comes across as wew eeeheeehwe— behaviour that comes across as very aggressive and also manipulation.- very aggressive and also manipulation. but ronnie also wewhheweh— manipulation. but ronnie also mentioned things like love hewhhwe— mentioned things like love bombing this— mentioned things like love bombing this idea that the very heehwwhwe— bombing this idea that the very heehwwhwe, hhhe— bombing this idea that the very beginning, this person makes you feel beginning, this person makes you heeh ee— beginning, this person makes you feel so incredibly— beginning, this person makes you feel so incredibly seen and heew— feel so incredibly seen and heew ewe— feel so incredibly seen and heard and validated , which is heard and validated, which is fundamentally— heard and validated, which is fundamentally what we're all ether— fundamentally what we're all ehheh hw— fundamentally what we're all ehheh hw eu— fundamentally what we're all after in our intimate relationships. but you get it wewh— relationships. but you get it wewh eh— relationships. but you get it new eh hhe— relationships. but you get it right at the beginning then right at the beginning and then eheeuehhw— right at the beginning and then gradually something chips away and gradually something chips away ewe huh— gradually something chips away ewe huh weuhe— gradually something chips away and but you're already hooked in, and but you're already hooked hw weuhe— and but you're already hooked in, you're sucked— and but you're already hooked in, you're sucked in. and the ewe— in, you're sucked in. and the ehheh hwhe— in, you're sucked in. and the other thing that— in, you're sucked in. and the other thing that ronnie talked eheuh— other thing that ronnie talked eheuh wee— other thing that ronnie talked about was drug— other thing that ronnie talked about was drug use . you often about was drug use. you often hhhe— about was drug use. you often hhwh hhehe-e— about was drug use. you often find there's either— about was drug use. you often find there's either drug use, wwew— find there's either drug use, whheh eeehw— find there's either drug use, which again is— find there's either drug use, which again is quite entitled hehewheuh— which again is quite entitled behaviour or— which again is quite entitled behaviour or quite a lot of eeueh— behaviour or quite a lot of sexual use . so— behaviour or quite a lot of sexual use . so that could be sexual use. so that could be going— sexual use. so that could be going he— sexual use. so that could be going to spanking parties, using hheehhhuhee— going to spanking parties, using hheehhhuhee .— going to spanking parties, using prostitutes . so— going to spanking parties, using prostitutes . so that whole prostitutes. so that whole constellation _ prostitutes. so that whole constellation of behaviour often eww— constellation of behaviour often only materialises_ constellation of behaviour often only materialises further down the only materialises further down hhe hhwe. — only materialises further down hhe hhwe. huh— only materialises further down the line. but you're already in hheh— the line. but you're already in that relationship— the line. but you're already in that relationship and when heewe— that relationship and when heehhe eew— that relationship and when heehhe eew ,— that relationship and when people say , why don't you leave? people say, why don't you leave? hhhe— people say, why don't you leave? hhhe wueh— people say, why don't you leave? hhhe wueh he— people say, why don't you leave? this must be just— people say, why don't you leave? this must be just so obvious as to this must be just so obvious as he www— this must be just so obvious as he www hhe— this must be just so obvious as to why it's such— this must be just so obvious as to why it's such a— this must be just so obvious as to why it's such a toxic, uwheehhhw— to why it's such a toxic, unhealthy relationship. you're

eheeew— unhealthy relationship. you're already-you're— unhealthy relationship. you're already you're already already in. you're already euekeh— already in. you're already euekeh hw— already in. you're already sucked in and— already in. you're already sucked in and there's a lot of khwe— sucked in and there's a lot of khweleewe— sucked in and there's a lot of kind-come and— sucked in and there's a lot of kind-come and go- sucked in and there's a lot of kind come and go behaviour. kind of come and go behaviour. i'll kind of come and go behaviour. in teve— kind of come and go behaviour. in hewe weu— kind of come and go behaviour. in hewe weu .— kind of come and go behaviour. i'll love you . and— kind of come and go behaviour. i'll love you . and now i'm going i'll love you. and now i'm going to i'll love you. and now i'm going he hhwhwheh— i'll love you. and now i'm going to diminish you,— i'll love you. and now i'm going to diminish you, ronnie used hheh—hh-ei that word diminishment. it's heew— that word diminishment. it's really key— that word diminishment. it's really key because up really key because you're up were— really key because you're up there-pedestal- really key because you're up there pedestal and then there on the pedestal and then hhew— there on the pedestal and then hhew-wu— there on the pedestal and then hhew-weu weww— there on the pedestal and then they you down, put you back, they cut you down, put you back, cut they cut you down, put you back, euh weu— they cut you down, put you back, euh you eewh.— they cut you down, put you back, cut you down. it's— they cut you down, put you back, cut you down. it's absolutely ekheuehhwe— cut you down. it's absolutely exhausting-ronnie,| exhausting. yeah. ronnie, how did out of that, though? did you get out of that, though? i mean, because that sounds like, you said, you left . like, as you said, you left. got just got to a got to. yeah, just got to a hehwh— got to. yeah, just got to a hehwh where— got to. yeah, just got to a point where i— got to. yeah, just got to a point where i realised that if i ehewee— point where i realised that if i stayed another— point where i realised that if i stayed another four weeks, i weuhew-h— stayed another four weeks, i weuhew-h he— stayed another four weeks, i wouldn't be alive. and it was hhhehehhw— wouldn't be alive. and it was hhhehehhw e— wouldn't be alive. and it was literally a survival instinct hheh— literally a survival instinct that kicked _ literally a survival instinct that kicked in— literally a survival instinct that kicked in and it was that heeh— that kicked in and it was that heeh energy— that kicked in and it was that last energy erg— that kicked in and it was that last energy erg that got me onto hheh— last energy erg that got me onto hheh wewe— last energy erg that got me onto hheh hhewe ewe— last energy erg that got me onto that plane and i— last energy erg that got me onto that plane and i lost everything heek— that plane and i lost everything heek hhew.— that plane and i lost everything heek hhew. ww— that plane and i lost everything back then. my job— that plane and i lost everything back then. my job and my house, my hwhewhe— back then. my job and my house, my hhewee ww— back then. my job and my house, my friends, my health, my self ewe— my friends, my health, my self ewe hh— my friends, my health, my self ewe hh wee— my friends, my health, my self and it was really— my friends, my health, my self and it was really starting from eeheheh— and it was really starting from eeheheh .— and it was really starting from eeheheh . awe— and it was really starting from scratch . and um _ and it was really starting from scratch . and um ,— and it was really starting from scratch . and um , yeah, so scratch. and um, yeah, so hheh-e— scratch. and um, yeah, so that's, that's— scratch. and um, yeah, so that's, that's how i got out. i tueh— that's, that's how i got out. i tueh kwew— that's, that's how i got out. i tueh kwew h— that's, that's how i got out. i just knew i had— that's, that's how i got out. i just knew i had to and, and i tueh— just knew i had to and, and i tueh wewee— just knew i had to and, and i just wanted to— just knew i had to and, and i just wanted to mention , add just wanted to mention, add eewehhhwe— just wanted to mention, add eewehhhwe he— just wanted to mention, add something to the, to the back ewe— something to the, to the back end hhhw— something to the, to the back and forth. what— something to the, to the back and forth. what we also need to keep— and forth. what we also need to keep hw— and forth. what we also need to keep hw whhh— and forth. what we also need to keep in mind is— and forth. what we also need to keep in mind is when we keep hehhhwe— keep in mind is when we keep hehhhwe heewe— keep in mind is when we keep telling people why don't you

tueh—e- telling people why don't you tueh—e hehl telling people why don't youj tueh—e heh eh just get out? there's a lot of ehewheeh— just get out? there's a lot of chemical reactions happening in the chemical reactions happening in hhe hhehw— chemical reactions happening in the brain-actually- chemical reactions happening in the brain actually run in the brain that actually run in the brain that actually run in the background,— the brain that actually run in the background, which also make it the background, which also make hh hwheeehhhe— the background, which also make it impossible to— the background, which also make it impossible to just walk out heuee— it impossible to just walk out because you're— it impossible to just walk out because you're so hooked in that ehhuehhew— because you're so hooked in that ehhuehhew .— because you're so hooked in that situation . right. _ because you're so hooked in that situation . right. : g situation. right. i'm wondering , lucy was it says there are people are narcissists born or are they made like you know, because you can be born with that kind of mindset, i presume, or. well, the jury yeah, the jury or. well, the jury yeah, the jury is still out as to whether we are the product of nurture or nature. imean, we are the product of nurture or nature. i mean, i think there's so nature. i mean, i think there's ee wueh— nature. i mean, i think there's so much research— ”hi: i mean, i think there's so much research either and so much research either way. and here— so much research either way. and here he— so much research either way. and here he ew— so much research either way. and there is an argument that says hheh— there is an argument that says that narcissists— there is an argument that says that narcissists develop in that in that narcissists develop in that hw hheee— that narcissists develop in that hw hheee eeew— that narcissists develop in that in those early kind of six wewhhe— in those early kind of six wewhhe hw— in those early kind of six months in terms of how other heewe— months in terms of how other heehhe eewweeh— months in terms of how other people connect with them and hehehe— people connect with them and hehehe he— people connect with them and relate to them— people connect with them and relate to them and what we do knew— relate to them and what we do knew he— relate to them and what we do knew he hheh— relate to them and what we do know is that quite— relate to them and what we do know is that quite a lot of narcissistic— know is that quite a lot of narcissistic behaviour is eehuehhw— narcissistic behaviour is actually just— narcissistic behaviour is actually just a more florid eh— actually just a more florid version of what- actually just a more florid version of what very many of us wewe— version of what very many of us hewe hw— version of what very many of us hewe hw heewe— version of what very many of us have in terms of— version of what very many of us have in terms of perhaps feeling wew— have in terms of perhaps feeling wew hweeeue— have in terms of perhaps feeling very insecure and— have in terms of perhaps feeling very insecure and compensating for very insecure and compensating her hheh— very insecure and compensating her hheh hw— very insecure and compensating for that by being— very insecure and compensating for that by being cruel to other heewe.— for that by being cruel to other heehhe. weww— for that by being cruel to other heehhe. hhew eh— for that by being cruel to other people. many of us will maybe

weww— people. many of us will maybe weww eh— people. many of us will maybe many eh wew— people. many of us will maybe many of your viewers will be wehehhwe— many of your viewers will be wehehhwe ewe— many of your viewers will be watching and thinking , no, no, watching and thinking, no, no, hheh-e— watching and thinking, no, no, hheh-e weweh— watching and thinking, no, no, that's never me.— watching and thinking, no, no, that's never me. but actually, ehh— that's never me. but actually, we're all prone— that's never me. but actually, we're all prone to— that's never me. but actually, we're all prone to maybe more ewhwehhehhe— we're all prone to maybe more animalistic behaviour , but a animalistic behaviour, but a weheheeheh— animalistic behaviour, but a narcissist just— animalistic behaviour, but a narcissist just has this in much wewh— narcissist just has this in much more florid abundance because heewe— more florid abundance because heehhe hwhew— more florid abundance because people throw out— more florid abundance because people throw out that term as if our people throw out that term as if ehew— people throw out that term as if ehew eewe— people throw out that term as if ehew eewe e— people throw out that term as if our sign says a narcissist and eewe— our sign says a narcissist and eewe e— our sign says a narcissist and says a narcissist. - our sign says a narcissist and says a narcissist. 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' 2 says a narcissist. and i think if ever been in if you've ever been in a situation with somebody who is narcissistic, then you fully understand really know narcissistic, then you fully undhcanind really know narcissistic, then you fully undhcan really really know narcissistic, then you fully undhcan really appreciatey know narcissistic, then you fully undhcan really appreciate whativ narcissistic, then you fully uris. :an really appreciate whativ narcissistic, then you fully uris. andeally appreciate whativ narcissistic, then you fully uris. and iflly appreciate whativ narcissistic, then you fully uris. and if somebodyite whativ it is. and if somebody so if somebody to me, somebody ever says that to me, i think, i'm not a narcissist somebody ever says that to me, i tii've i'm not a narcissist somebody ever says that to me, i tii've seen 'm not a narcissist somebody ever says that to me, i tii've seen it. not a narcissist somebody ever says that to me, i tii've seen it. lot a narcissist somebody ever says that to me, i tii've seen it. i knowrarcissist somebody ever says that to me, i tii've seen it. i knowrarcissitt . i've seen it. i know what it is quite unpleasant. is and it's quite unpleasant. and why say it's all of and that's why i say it's all of those pillars, because we can often be in a relationship with someone very angry. they someone who's very angry. they have issues or have unresolved anger issues or we whehh— have unresolved anger issues or we whehhlhw— have unresolved anger issues or we whehhlhw e— have unresolved anger issues or we might in a relationship we might be in a relationship whhh— we might be in a relationship whhh-ewh— we might be in a relationship whhh-ewh hw- we might be in a relationship with-and i'm so- we might be in a relationship with and i'm so glad we might be in a relationship- with-and i'm so glad you with someone and i'm so glad you eehe— with someone and i'm so glad you eehe eeeew-h— with someone and i'm so glad you said doesn't—an- said doesn't have to be an hwhhwehe— said doesn't have to be an intimate relationship. could intimate relationship. it could be intimate relationship. it could he—eeuhei intimate relationship. it could. he—eeuhe he intimate relationship. it could. blcolleague,_could be intimate relationship. it could blcolleague, it could be intimate relationship. it could blcolleague, it could could be intimate relationship. it could blcolleague, it could be could be intimate relationship. it could blcolleague, it could be justi be a colleague, it could be just eh— a colleague, it could be just eh wew— a colleague, it could be just one of your friendship group. seweewe— one of your friendship group. someone _friendl one of your friendship group. i someone—friend in one of your friendship group. - someone—friend in the someone may have a friend in the group— someone may have a friend in the eheuh-he— someone may have a friend in the group-is incredibly— group who is incredibly manipulative or they be very manipulative or they may be very insecure .they're_ manipulative or they may be very insecure they're they're manipulative or they may be very insec int they're they're manipulative or they may be very insec int way hey're they're manipulative or they may be very insecint way quite they're manipulative or they may be very insecint way quite bullying . very, in a way quite bullying. hhew-he— very, in a way quite bullying. they're condescending they're very condescending heuee— they're very condescending because covering up because they're covering up hheh— because they're covering up their inadequacies. but what their own inadequacies. but what you heew— their own inadequacies. but what you really weee— their own inadequacies. but what you really need is— their own inadequacies. but what you really need is the whole

hhehuhe— you really need is the whole hhehuhe ehh— you really need is the whole picture all of— you really need is the whole picture all of that brought to heeh— picture all of that brought to heeh hw— picture all of that brought to heeh hw ee— picture all of that brought to bear in one individual the bear in one individual and the way— bear in one individual and the wew—ehhwe— bear in one individual and the wew—ehhwh ewh- bear in one individual and the way grind and the way they just grind and the ewe— way they just grind and the other person— way they just grind and the other person down for their own ,-own gratification.- , for their own gratification. hhe— , for their own gratification. hhh-,— , for their own gratification. hh-e-, hew-h- , for their own gratification. hh-e-, hew-h hh- , for their own gratification. it's , isn't it really it's terrible, isn't it really hehhhhhe— it's terrible, isn't it really terrible .to- it's terrible, isn't it really terrible to talks of her terrible now to talks of her ehew— terrible now to talks of her ehew ewh— terrible now to talks of her story and rodney, are you out of hheh— story and rodney, are you out of hheh ehew— story and rodney, are you out of that story became— story and rodney, are you out of that story became an abuse heeewew— that story became an abuse recovery coach. _ that story became an abuse recovery coach. yin; recovery coach. yes. what would you what would you say is the one thing that you learned about yourself through your experience ? well when we experience a situation like that, it basically comes down to what? what was it that appealed to me hheh— what was it that appealed to me hheh h— what was it that appealed to me hheh h wehkee— what was it that appealed to me that i walked into— what was it that appealed to me that i walked into that trap and hheh— that i walked into that trap and hheh ee— that i walked into that trap and hheh we— that i walked into that trap and that once we started exploring hheh— that once we started exploring hheh heuee— that once we started exploring that because clearly the narcissist _ that because clearly the narcissist had - that because clearly the narcissist had a carrot right dangling— narcissist had a carrot right dangling hw— narcissist had a carrot right dangling in front of my nose and i dangling in front of my nose and h wee— dangling in front of my nose and h ee— dangling in front of my nose and i was so desperate— dangling in front of my nose and i was so desperate to have it . i was so desperate to have it. awh— i was so desperate to have it. and consciously— i was so desperate to have it. and consciously i— i was so desperate to have it. and consciously i didn't even knew— and consciously i didn't even knew h— and consciously i didn't even knew h wee— and consciously i didn't even know i was because i was eewhheewh— know i was because i was confident and— know i was because i was confident and successful and all of confident and successful and all eh hheh.— confident and successful and all eh hheh. huh— confident and successful and all of that. but clearly— confident and successful and all of that. but clearly he had eewehhhwe— of that. but clearly he had eewehhhwe .— of that. but clearly he had something . and that's the most something. and that's the most hwehehhhuh— something. and that's the most hwehehhhuh ehh—

something. and that's the most insightful gift, really , that we insightful gift, really, that we get insightful gift, really, that we eeh euh— insightful gift, really, that we eeh euh eh— insightful gift, really, that we eeh euh eh e— insightful gift, really, that we get out of a situation like ha,— get out of a situation like that, because _ get out of a situation like that, because it really brings us that, because it really brings ue he— that, because it really brings ue he eu— that, because it really brings us to our knees— that, because it really brings us to our knees and it forces us to us to our knees and it forces us he heek— us to our knees and it forces us he heek heew— us to our knees and it forces us to look really deep— us to our knees and it forces us to look really deep and we need to look really deep and we need he eew— to look really deep and we need he eeeh hh— to look really deep and we need he eeeh hh euh— to look really deep and we need to sort it out if— to look really deep and we need to sort it out if we— to look really deep and we need to sort it out if we want to get on to sort it out if we want to get ew hhe— to sort it out if we want to get ew hhe ehheh— to sort it out if we want to get on the other side.— to sort it out if we want to get on the other side. but once we do on the other side. but once we he ewe— on the other side. but once we he end we— on the other side. but once we he end we ee— on the other side. but once we do and we do our— on the other side. but once we do and we do our healing work, it's do and we do our healing work, he hhe— do and we do our healing work, he hhe weeh— do and we do our healing work, it's the most liberating thing hheh— it's the most liberating thing hheh ewwheew— it's the most liberating thing that anybody could ever do. so it that anybody could ever do. so hh wee— that anybody could ever do. so it was basically— that anybody could ever do. so it was basically ,— that anybody could ever do. so it was basically , um, well, very it was basically, um, well, very hwehehhhuh— it was basically, um, well, very hwehehhhuh. hh— it was basically, um, well, very insightful. it was— it was basically, um, well, very insightful. it was very liberating.— insightful. it was very liberating. i- insightful. it was very liberating. i learned a lot eheuh— liberating. i learned a lot about myself.— liberating. i learned a lot about myself. faulty and euheeheu— about myself. faulty and outdated programs that i had huwwhwe— outdated programs that i had huwwhwe hw— outdated programs that i had running in the— outdated programs that i had running in the background that hheh— running in the background that hheh weee— running in the background that hheh weee we— running in the background that that made me susceptible to ehhuehhewe— that made me susceptible to situations like— that made me susceptible to situations like that. and what we ehh— situations like that. and what we ehh wewh— situations like that. and what we all want is— situations like that. and what we all want is if— situations like that. and what we all want is if we've been in a we all want is if we've been in e ehhuehhew— we all want is if we've been in a situation like— we all want is if we've been in a situation like that, whether it's a situation like that, whether he hw— a situation like that, whether he hw hhe— a situation like that, whether it's in the workplace or in a relationship— it's in the workplace or in a relationship ,— it's in the workplace or in a relationship , you don't get relationship, you don't get heek— relationship, you don't get heek. heu— relationship, you don't get back. you don't- relationship, you don't get back. you don't want to repeat it back. you don't want to repeat hh eeehw— back. you don't want to repeat hh eeehw. wewh.— back. you don't want to repeat it again. right. and that's why it's it again. right. and that's why he hwhewhew— it again. right. and that's why it's important to— it again. right. and that's why it's important to actually look at ourselves.— it's important to actually look at ourselves. and— it's important to actually look at ourselves. and then take the lessons, learn— at ourselves. and then take the lessons, learn the— at ourselves. and then take the lessons, learn the tools, get hhe— lessons, learn the tools, get hhe euheewee— lessons, learn the tools, get the guidance ,— lessons, learn the tools, get the guidance , ask for help, the guidance, ask for help, heuee— the guidance, ask for help, because that's— the guidance, ask for help,

because that's okay. ca“ because that's okay. can i just say— because that's okay. can i just eew ewe— because that's okay. can i just say one thing, which i found very interesting when ronnie said that she lost everything she had to get on that plane, lost her house, lost her job. but actually and it's going to sound super cheesy when i say it like but you got yourself like this, but you got yourself back. and that's the biggest gift. anybody is in the gift. and if anybody is in the same right now, the same position right now, the chance of getting your life back is the most phenomenal motivator ever. well, listen, guys, we're huwwhwe— ever. well, listen, guys, we're huwwhwe euh— ever. well, listen, guys, we're running euh eh— ever. well, listen, guys, we're running out of time- well, listen, guys, we're running out of time of you heuee— running out of time of you because you're— running out of time of you because you're not going back . because you're not going back. wehe— because you're not going back. wehe huwwhwe— because you're not going back. we're running out— because you're not going back. we're running out of time. heu-he— we're running out of time. keuhe hhke— we're running out of time. you're like, we're running out of you're like, we're running out eh hwe— you're like, we're running out eh hhwe. ee— you're like, we're running out of time. so we're— you're like, we're running out of time. so we're going to have to of time. so we're going to have he wheh— of time. so we're going to have he were hh— of time. so we're going to have he were hh uh— of time. so we're going to have to wrap it up there. _ of time. so we're going to have to wrap it up there. but i'm going— to wrap it up there. but i'm going he— to wrap it up there. but i'm going he ewe— to wrap it up there. but i'm going to give the final word to we— going to give the final word to lucy berrisford. _ going to give the final word to lucy berrisford. lucy a word to eeweheew— somebody who may find themselves weww— drawn because people think you get drawn because people think you eeh-heek— drawn because people think you eeh-heek he— drawn because people think you get-back to the- drawn because people think you get back to the narcissist get drawn back to the narcissist ewew— get drawn back to the narcissist every-once you've- every time or once you've ekhehheweeh — every time or once you've experienced up experienced it, you might end up going— experienced it, you might end up eehe—eewe- experienced it, you might end up eehwe—eewe hhhwei going and doing the same thing. wewe— going and doing the same thing.| we-we—weuhe going and doing the same thing.| weheew—weuhe going and doing the same thing.| we'jsay to _would going and doing the same thing. we'jsay to people? would going and doing the same thing. we'jsay to people? 2 would going and doing the same thing. we'jsay to people? 2 iould going and doing the same thing. we'jsay to people? 2 you say to people? i'd say that if into one relationship if you get into one relationship first, will done first, then you will have done it unconsciously. but as ronnie said, start do the said, if you start to do the work yourself, you'll much said, if you start to do the work conscious.f, you'll much said, if you start to do the work conscious about ll much said, if you start to do the work conscious about your much said, if you start to do the work conscious about your own h more conscious about your own motives action the things, motives, action and the things, the pitfalls that you're drawn to you'll be less likely to

to and you'll be less likely to go into a narcissistic relationship in future. i is relationship in the future. i is wide open. that's what it is . wide open. that's what it is. huew— wide open. that's what it is. huew hwehew— wide open. that's what it is. lucy fryston, thank- 2: “ that's what it is. lucy fryston, thank you very wueh. — lucy fryston, thank you very wueh. awe— lucy fryston, thank you very much. and also— lucy fryston, thank you very much. and also ,— lucy fryston, thank you very much. and also , ronnie, a phrase much. and also, ronnie, a phrase heew— much. and also, ronnie, a phrase really—vou- much. and also, ronnie, a phrase heehhw—weu .- really good to talk to you. hhewk— really good to talk to you. thank-much- really good to talk to you. thank-much for. really good to talk to you. thank much for your thank you so much for your hheuehhe. — thank you so much for your hheuehhe. _e- thank you so much for your thoughts. is narcissism. thoughts. so that is narcissism. if thoughts. so that is narcissism. hh-ehe— thoughts. so that is narcissism. if-are confused,— thoughts. so that is narcissism. if are confused, are if you are confused, are you whhh— if you are confused, are you withlnarcissist?- if you are confused, are you with narcissist? well, with a narcissist? well, hehehuhhw— with a narcissist? well, hehehew— with a narcissist? well, hopef on the - with a narcissist? well, hopefon the way. the great know on the way. the great hhhhheh— know on the way. the great- british—asking, british debate side. i'm asking, eheuhe— should rishi sunak scrap inheritance— should rishi sunak scrap inheritance let's get an inheritance tax? let's get an uheehe— inheritance tax? let's get an uheehe ,— inheritance tax? let's get an update , though,— inheritance tax? let's get an update , though, with update, though, with your weehheh. — update, though, with your weather. there. update, though, with your- weather.-there. i'm greg weather. hello there. i'm greg hewhuheh— weather. hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome your dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . we've got a fine evening to come turn quite chilly come. it does turn quite chilly overnight, but for it overnight, but then for most it will another sunny day on will be another sunny day on sunday. so looking at the bigger picture and high pressure sits firmly in place just to the north of the uk, keeping it dry and settled, though the positioning still means we've got a north easterly breeze for some northern and eastern coasts continuing to stay chilly and quite cloudy at times over the next few days . fine end to the next few days. fine end to the day. some sunshine before dusk and then overnight will generally stay dry with clear spells, though. notice the cloud thickening across northeast

scotland , down eastern parts of scotland, down eastern parts of england, pushing into central england, pushing into central england later on in the night. temperatures generally dipping into single figures. 1 or 2 spots could be on the chilly side to start sunday morning. plenty of sunshine, particularly in the west, further east, we do have that low cloud. first thing, but it should lift and break and push back towards the coast , eastern coast coast, eastern coast of scotland, scotland and scotland, northern scotland and eastern england will see cloudier skies through sunday at times, but i'm hopeful there'll be some brighter breaks. chilly here, temperatures 13, 14 degrees. inland in that degrees. but inland in that sunshine, temperatures rising low to possibly mid 20s in the best of the sunshine, uv levels remain high to very high into the evening time and overnight we see that low cloud start to return off the north sea once more. this time thicker and possibly expanding further south and westwards as we move through the night, clearer skies in the west. but even under the cloud, temperatures dipping into single figures. so it means a bit of a

westie split to start the new working week. sunshine across western parts of the uk . cloudy western parts of the uk. cloudy in the east and then just like we saw last week , this cloud we saw last week, this cloud will take its time to burn back through the day. but eventually it will do, allowing some sunny spells over the next few days. it remains very similar. further sunshine temperatures in the

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britain's news. channel good afternoon. it's— britain's news. channel good afternoon. it'sjust_ britain's news. channel good afternoon. it's just coming up to 26 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. remember, you can stream the show live on youtube and catch up with everything on our gb app. nana akua . our gb news app. i'm nana akua. now it's time for our great british debate. and this hour i'm asking, should rishi sunak scrap tax ? a group scrap inheritance tax? a group of conservative mps are demanding that government demanding that the government aboush abolish inheritance tax in the autumn this year autumn statement later this year , the conservative growth group led by allies of prime minister liz truss , will this month liz truss, will this month pubush liz truss, will this month publish a paperjustifying why parents should have the freedom to pass their wealth onto their children sacrificing the children without sacrificing the savings to the state. now 55 tories behind the campaign believe a move like this could prove much needed boost in prove a much needed boost in support conservatives support for the conservatives who still lagging behind who are still lagging behind labourin who are still lagging behind labour in the polls double labour in the polls by double digits. would rishi sunak getting of inheritance getting rid of an inheritance tax be just the tories need tax be just what the tories need to win vote the next to win your vote for the next general election ? so for the general election? so for the great british debate hour, great british debate this hour, i'm asking should rishi sunak scrap tax ? so to scrap inheritance tax? so to debate i'm joined by reem debate this, i'm joined by reem ibrahim, media officer at the iea e ryan shorthouse, the

founder of ceo of bright blue . founder of ceo of bright blue. right. so let's see. welcome are they there? right. here we go. we've got just one of you. hheee— we've got just one of you. hheee we— we've got just one of you. there was reem. - we've got just one of you. there was reem. was- we've got just one of you. there was reem. was reem as well. we'll start with you then , ryan. oh, there we go. well, i can't see them both. i can usually see them both. i can usually see them both. i can usually right, usually see them both. right, let's let's start with you, then. you're up there now, reem talk to me. would your parents leave you anything? do you think ? not really. have much to leave me,— ? not really. have much to leave huh— ? not really. have much to leave huh heh-e— ? not really. have much to leave me, but let's talk— 7’ not really. have much to leave me, but let's talk about what hwhehhhewee— me, but let's talk about what inheritance tax _ me, but let's talk about what inheritance tax actually is. fundamentally,— inheritance tax actually is. fundamentally, it's- inheritance tax actually is. fundamentally, it's a- inheritance tax actually is. fundamentally, it's a death tax. and, you know, across our lives, we are always told that we have to pay huge amount of tax at the moment, we have the highest tax burden 70 we've got burden in 70 years. we've got income tax, corporation tax, vat, all of this amalgamates to your less money in your pocket that's being taken by the state. and as soon as you're on your deathbed, we now have now slapped other the slapped with this other tax, the inheritance tax. and that inheritance tax. and what that means it's effectively means is that it's effectively a tax death . now, i think tax on your death. now, i think what we've got remember is what we've got to remember is that there is nothing wrong inherently, inherently with

individuals themselves being able to pass on their wealth to their children. i mean, i think that we should be able to pass on our wealth to our children. my on our wealth to our children. my grandparents came to this country africa and country from north africa and they better life for they wanted a better life for their and think their children. and so i think that incentive that we should be incentive rising people to do what's best for , not taking for their children, not taking it what do you it away. ryan, what do you think? talk to me about what is the think? talk to me about what is hhe-whhh— think? talk to me about what is hhe-whhh hhe — “

house prices have risen, but most people on average do not own properties above £1 million. so i just think considering the weight of taxation is on working age, people and work, if the treasury is going to cut taxes, it should cut them on people who are striving to have a good life rather than people who have already got it. and therefore the priority should be cutting income tax for particularly the lowest earners . and the other lowest earners. and the other thing i would say the other thing i would say the other thing i'd say about it's wrongly called a death tax. it you know , somebody can't be taxed if they're dead. the tax is on the transaction to the person who's inheriting it, who's transaction to the person who's inheriting it , who's lucky inheriting it, who's lucky enough to have inherited such money. they haven't earned that. it's an unearned thing. and there is taxation on most transactions . so we have to tax transactions. so we have to tax some things. that's the choice of government to do public services to fund public services

. so i think it's completely disproportionately targeted to now think about cutting inheritance tax. it would it would benefit it very, very wealthy people and very old people. no no, that's not i don't think that's quite true, actually. i mean, because you're eewhe— actually. i mean, because you're eewhee wew— actually. i mean, because you're saying very wealthy— 2 i mean, because you're saying very wealthy people. but if i saying very wealthy people. but h h heee— saying very wealthy people. but if i read here— saying very wealthy people. but if i read here that— saying very wealthy people. but if i read here that your estate is if i read here that your estate he wewh— if i read here that your estate is worth £500,000 and your tax ewe— is worth £500,000 and your tax ewe wew— is worth £500,000 and your tax ewe weuh hex— is worth £500,000 and your tax and your tax free— is worth £500,000 and your tax and your tax free threshold is heehooo. — and your tax free threshold is £325,000. and _ and your tax free threshold is £325,000. and what's happened is that £325,000. and what's happened is hheh hex— £325,000. and what's happened is that tax threshold— £325,000. and what's happened is that tax threshold hasn't moved for that tax threshold hasn't moved her euhhe— that tax threshold hasn't moved her euhhe ee— that tax threshold hasn't moved for quite some time. so it's eweewheeehwe— for quite some time. so it's encompassing a— for quite some time. so it's encompassing a lot of people who eewh—weewe- aren't actually that wealthy. i hhhwk— aren't actually that wealthy. i think-problem- aren't actually that wealthy. i think problem with think that's the problem with it. think that's the problem with h. lweuhe— think that's the problem with it. you're talking about it. so you're talking about £1 whhhhew— it. so you're talking about £1 million,-that's- it. so you're talking about £1 million, that's not million, but that's that's not wheh— million, but that's that's not wheh-heuee— million, but that's that's not what-figures say- million, but that's that's not what figures say here. i'm what the figures say here. i'm heeehwe— what the figures say here. i'm reading inheritance tax reading the inheritance tax eehee— reading the inheritance tax eehee hew — reading the inheritance tax rates from government's rates from the government's wehehhe— rates from the government's website .that's- rates from the government's website that's what they're website and that's what they're eewhwe. — website and that's what they're eewhee. se — website and that's what they're eewhee. se hheh— website and that's what they're saying. so that would be sorry, hheh— saying. so that would be sorry, hheh weuhe— saying. so that would be sorry, that would .would - saying. so that would be sorry, that would would be £1 that would that would be £1 whhhhew— that would that would be £1 million that- that would that would be £1 million that you're allowed to heee— million that you're allowed to pee ew— million that you're allowed to pass on _children,- million that you're allowed to pass on children, your pass on to your children, your eheeh— pass on to your children, your direct children— pass on to your children, your direct children .— pass on to your children, your direct children . well, let's direct children. well, let's hwhe— direct children. well, let's hhhwe hw— direct children. well, let's bring hw ee— direct children. well, let's bring in are we've got next heeheh— bring in are we've got next doctor daniel— bring in are we've got next doctor daniel pitt. let's bring in doctor daniel pitt. let's bring hw he. — doctor daniel pitt. let's bring hw he. hewheh— doctor daniel pitt. let's bring in dr. daniel pitt.— doctor daniel pitt. let's bring in dr. daniel pitt. he's a heeeheh— in dr. daniel pitt. he's a teacher associate at the uwhwehehhw—

teacher associate at the university of _ teacher associate at the university of sheffield . daniel, university of sheffield. daniel, is university of sheffield. daniel, he hheh— university of sheffield. daniel, he hheh wewh— university of sheffield. daniel, he hheh wewh e— university of sheffield. daniel, is that right 7 i'd— university of sheffield. daniel, is that right ? i'd need to have is that right? i'd need to have a is that right? i'd need to have e whhhhew— is that right? i'd need to have a million before— is that right? i'd need to have a million before i'm then taxed by he.— a million before i'm then taxed by he. h— a million before i'm then taxed by he. h hhew-h— a million before i'm then taxed by 40. i didn't think that was wewh. — by 40. i didn't think that was wewh. h— by 40. i didn't think that was right. i thought— by 40. i didn't think that was right. i thought that 325,000. kwwhhhwe— right. i thought that 325,000. wewhhe-hh— right. i thought that 325,000. anything-it, then- right. i thought that 325,000. anything it, then i start anything over it, then i start eehhhwe— anything over it, then i start eehhhwe hekeh — anything over it, then i start getting taxed on— anything over it, then i start getting taxed on that. i thought hheh— getting taxed on that. i thought hheh-hh— getting taxed on that. i thought hheh-hh. he-e— getting taxed on that. i thought that it. he's saying that was it. he's saying a whhhhew. — that was it. he's saying a million. yeah— that was it. he's saying a million. yeah - that was it. he's saying a million. yeah 4:3“ whiz; �*7 million. yeah yeah. well, first of all, i, i would, i would be in favour of scrapping inheritance tax . i think the, inheritance tax. i think the, the principle itself is actually against conservative society . against conservative society. what conservatives should aim for that the whole point of a conservative is to be able to take your cultural, your spiritual. and of course your property— spiritual. and of course your hhehehhw ewh— spiritual. and of course your property and hand- spiritual. and of course your property and hand it- 2 and of course your property and hand it down to the wewh— property and hand it down to the next generation— property and hand it down to the next generation and continue to do next generation and continue to he ee— next generation and continue to he we— next generation and continue to he we wee— next generation and continue to do so. we were taught that from huwuwe— do so. we were taught that from hewuwh huke— do so. we were taught that from edmund burke ,— do so. we were taught that from edmund burke , um, in 1790. it's edmund burke, um, in 1790. it's a core conservative— edmund burke, um, in 1790. it's a core conservative value , but a core conservative value, but my— a core conservative value, but my understanding is that you wewe— my understanding is that you have 325,000— my understanding is that you have 325,000 and then you have an have 325,000 and then you have ew ehhewewee— have 325,000 and then you have an allowance of— have 325,000 and then you have an allowance of 175,000. on top of an allowance of 175,000. on top eh hheh— an allowance of 175,000. on top eh hheh ,— an allowance of 175,000. on top eh hheh , uew— an allowance of 175,000. on top of that , um, which— an allowance of 175,000. on top

of that , um, which a personal of that, um, which a personal ehhewewee— of that, um, which a personal allowance, which— of that, um, which a personal allowance, which is what the conservatives _ allowance, which is what the conservatives have introduced. hheee— conservatives have introduced. hheee hhh.— conservatives have introduced. 175,000 bit. but— conservatives have introduced. 175,000 bit. but of course in hhe— 175,000 bit. but of course in the manifesto,— 175,000 bit. but of course in the manifesto, i— 175,000 bit. but of course in the manifesto, i think it's that hheee-e— the manifesto, i think it's that hheee-e e— the manifesto, i think it's that there's a practical and a sort of there's a practical and a sort eh eeewhee— there's a practical and a sort of promise keeping aspect to hhhe— of promise keeping aspect to hhhe he— of promise keeping aspect to hhhe he hheh— of promise keeping aspect to this is that in— of promise keeping aspect to this is that in the 2010 manifesto— this is that in the 2010 manifesto and the 2015 manifesto,— manifesto and the 2015 manifesto, the conservatives hheeeeu— manifesto, the conservatives hheeeee hheh— manifesto, the conservatives pledged that they would raise it up he— pledged that they would raise it up he e— pledged that they would raise it up to a million,— pledged that they would raise it up to a million, and they wewewh— up to a million, and they haven't done— up to a million, and they haven't done that. it's stayed ekeehhw— haven't done that. it's stayed ekeehhw hhe— haven't done that. it's stayed exactly the same— haven't done that. it's stayed exactly the same since they've heew— exactly the same since they've been government— exactly the same since they've been government since 2010. so hheee-e— been government since 2010. so hheee-e e— been government since 2010. so there's a promise— been government since 2010. so there's a promise keeping ehewewh— there's a promise keeping element. the— there's a promise keeping element. the conservative should at element. the conservative should eh wew— element. the conservative should eh wew heeeh— element. the conservative should eh wew heeeh hhe— element. the conservative should at very least fix the— element. the conservative should at very least fix the thresholds . hw— at very least fix the thresholds . hhh weh.— at very least fix the thresholds . hm well, that's— at very least fix the thresholds . hm well, that's the- at very least fix the thresholds . hm well, that's the thing, isn't it? so i'm going to come back to ryan then. ryan, you're wrong. it's not a million. it is it i was quite right it is 325,000. i was quite right about that. you said it's taxing really wealthy they're really wealthy people. they're not people the not really wealthy people. the average the uk , i average house price in the uk, i think a bit more than that think is a bit more than that actually. on average, when actually. so so on average, when people die and they to people die and they they have to if they've not, think if they've not, i think it's what it, seven you what is it, seven years. you have to only if you give away more than 325,000 before seven years before you die . are you years before you die. are you not on it? do you not

not taxed on it? do you not think bit of a rip think that it's a bit of a rip off? well, think that it's a bit of a rip off ? well, i think that it's a bit of a rip off? well, i think we think that it's a bit of a rip off ? well, i think we have off? well, i think we have a misunderstanding- hz:h�*”7 well, i think we have a misunderstanding between what the allowance— misunderstanding between what the allowance is,— misunderstanding between what the allowance is, which i'm sure is the allowance is, which i'm sure he eheuh— the allowance is, which i'm sure he eheuh e— the allowance is, which i'm sure is about a million.— the allowance is, which i'm sure is about a million. but i may be weewe— is about a million. but i may be weewe eheuh— is about a million. but i may be wrong about that,— is about a million. but i may be wrong about that, but, you know, i'm wrong about that, but, you know, h-w happy-— wrong about that, but, you know, h-w hehhw. hw— wrong about that, but, you know, h-w hehhw. h-w tueh— wrong about that, but, you know, i'm happy. i'm just reading on eeuhhe— i'm happy. i'm just reading on couple website. _ i'm happy. i'm just reading on couple website. okay. okay. wen,— couple website. okay. okay. wehhlhhhwk— couple website. okay. okay. well, think there is an well, i think there is an allowance— well, i think there is an allowance people who are allowance for people who are ehhhehew— allowance for people who are children and— allowance for people who are children and what your parents heee— children and what your parents heee ew he— children and what your parents can pass on to you . but i may be can pass on to you. but i may be weewe— can pass on to you. but i may be weewe eheuh— can pass on to you. but i may be wrong about that— can pass on to you. but i may be wrong about that .— can pass on to you. but i may be wrong about that . but what no wrong about that. but what no hehkhwe— wrong about that. but what no one's talking about banning inheritance— one's talking about banning inheritance tax. _ one's talking about banning inheritance tax. sorry. no one's hehkhwe— inheritance tax. sorry. no one's hehkhwe eheuh— inheritance tax. sorry. no one's talking about banning inheritance- talking about banning inheritance . we're just saying inheritance. we're just saying hheh— inheritance. we're just saying hhehhhe— inheritance. we're just saying that the transaction to the huekw— that the transaction to the lucky recipient— that the transaction to the lucky recipient should be taxed and lucky recipient should be taxed ewe weeh— lucky recipient should be taxed and most transactions. c and most transactions. but it's weh.— and most transactions. but it's weh. hhe— and most transactions. but it's weh. hh-e weh— and most transactions. but it's weh. hh-e weh e— and most transactions. but it's not. it's not a it's not a transaction, is it? i mean it's ehheehhwehw— transaction, is it? i mean it's effectively money— transaction, is it? i mean it's effectively money that- 2 c7’ imean it's effectively money that has eheeew— effectively money that has already been— effectively money that has already been earned by those individuals,— already been earned by those individuals, by— already been earned by those individuals, by those parents hehewhheh— individuals, by those parents potential through income tax. hhew-we— potential through income tax. they've already— potential through income tax. they've already paid that tax. so inheritance— they've already paid that tax. so inheritance tax is a double tax so inheritance tax is a double hex . — so inheritance tax is a double hex. eeew.— so inheritance tax is a double hex. sorry- heh— so inheritance tax is a double tax. 2 “g �*7 “ tax. sorry. let reading finish. you said it's a double tax and you you said it's a double tax and you pay you said it's a double tax and you pay vat on it. so double

hekehhew— you pay vat on it. so double taxation happens— e' c so double taxation happens every day. \h::h taxation happens every day. no, no, taxation happens every day. no, we . huh— taxation happens every day. no, no, no , no. but yeah,- taxation happens every day. no, no, no , no. but yeah, it- taxation happens every day. no, no, no , no. but yeah, it might no, no, no. but yeah, it might happen every day, but you're dead and the thing is, you've already thing you've already the thing you've acquired, you've already paid tax on. should you then tax on. so why should you then pay tax on. so why should you then pay tax when die? it's the pay a tax when you die? it's the point. carry on. yeah. point. sorry. carry on. yeah. no, was just say let no, i was just going to say let ww— no, i was just going to say let hhw—hh- no, i was just going to say let hhw—hh he- no, i was just going to say let hhw—hh he eel him finish, because it is so tueh— him finish, because it is so tueh tueh— him finish, because it is so just just because it is a double tax just just because it is a double hex heeew-h— just just because it is a double tax doesn't mean— just just because it is a double tax doesn't mean it's right. i mean, you're right. have mean, you're right. we have hweheehhhw— incredibly complicated tax ewehew— incredibly complicated tax ewehew ewe— incredibly complicated tax system and i— incredibly complicated tax system and i would like to see it-significantly- system and i would like to see it-significantly .- it simplified significantly. wewe— it simplified significantly. i we've—remember it simplified significantly. - we've—remember that we've also got to remember that hhhe— we've also got to remember that hhhe hew-h— we've also got to remember that hhhe hew-h-ew— we've also got to remember that this isn't-on the- we've also got to remember that this isn't on the super this isn't a tax on the super weehhhw. — this isn't a tax on the super weehhhy. hhe— this isn't a tax on the super wealthy. the super wealthy don't pay wealthy. the super wealthy don't hey hheee— wealthy. the super wealthy don't pay these inheritance taxes. wewe— pay these inheritance taxes. wewe-ehee- pay these inheritance taxes. we've clear about we've got to be clear about hheh.— we've got to be clear about hheh. hheh-e— we've got to be clear about that. that's right. this tax heue— that. that's right. this tax hehhe ew— that. that's right. this tax falls on the— that. that's right. this tax falls on the middle classes. hheee— falls on the middle classes. hheee hheh— falls on the middle classes. those that have— falls on the middle classes. those that have eventually weekee— those that have eventually worked incredibly hard. and this is worked incredibly hard. and this he where— worked incredibly hard. and this he where hhe— worked incredibly hard. and this is where the tax— worked incredibly hard. and this is where the tax burden really heee— is where the tax burden really heee heu— is where the tax burden really heee hehh . — is where the tax burden really does fall . now,— is where the tax burden really does fall. whhh“ is where the tax burden really does fall . kcu ”h:“ c does fall. now, those aren't going to be those going have does fall. now, those aren't gointerrupt those going have does fall. now, those aren't gointerrupt thosbecause have does fall. now, those aren't gointerrupt thosbecause we're e to interrupt you because we're running time. buti running out of time. but i respect your point- g c but i respect your point and i think weue— respect your point and i think ye-wue weee— respect your point and i think you've made it.— respect your point and i think you've made it. well, thank you wew— you've made it. well, thank you very—ibrahim] you've made it. well, thank you very officer ibrahim, you've made it. well, thank you very officer iea.ihim, you've made it. well, thank you very officer iea. ryan media officer at the iea. ryan shewheuee,— media officer at the iea. ryan shorthouse,-and- media officer at the iea. ryan shorthouse, and ceo of shorthouse, founder and ceo of hwhewh— shorthouse, founder and ceo of hhhehh hhue— shorthouse, founder and ceo of bright blue, and— shorthouse, founder and ceo of bright blue, and dr. daniel whhh.— bright blue, and dr. daniel hhhh. hee— bright blue, and dr. daniel hhhh. he-e e— bright blue, and dr. daniel pitt. he's a teaching associate at pitt. he's a teaching associate eh-uwhwehehhw— pitt. he's a teaching associate at-university of- pitt. he's a teaching associate at university of sheffield. at the university of sheffield. wen, — at the university of sheffield. i wen, — wewe well, you're with me. i'm nana eewh.— well, you're with me. i'm nana eovhh. hhhe— well, you're with me. i'm nana covm. this is— well, you're with me. i'm nana covm. this is gb— well, you're with me. i'm nana covid. this is gb news on tv

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watching britain's. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua and it's time now for our great british debate this out. and i'm asking, should sunak scrap should rishi sunak scrap inheritance tax ? a group of inheritance tax? a group of conservative mps are demanding that the government abolish inheritance in the autumn inheritance tax in the autumn statement this year , the statement later this year, the conservative group led by conservative growth group led by allies of the former prime minister liz truss, will this allies of the former prime ministepublishiss, will this allies of the former prime ministepublish a;, will this allies of the former prime ministepublish a paperthis allies of the former prime ministepublish a paperjustifying month publish a paperjustifying why parents should the why parents should have the freedom pass their wealth freedom to pass their wealth onto their children. seems perfectly without perfectly reasonable without having sacrifice their having to sacrifice their savings the state. why on savings to the state. why on earth do you have to do that? you've paid tax once on it. why should tax again? now? should you pay tax again? now? the tories behind the the 55 tories behind the campaign move like campaign believe a move like this could provide much needed support the conservatives. support for the conservatives. they generate they don't actually generate that in revenue from that much money in revenue from inheritance tax. in any case, obviously the conservatives are falling behind the party falling behind the labour party and digits in the polls. and double digits in the polls. so what do you should so what do you think? should rishi of the tax rishi sunak get rid of the tax just to help the tories win the next general election? seems to make sense me. what about make sense to me. but what about you? my panel you? let's see what my panel make i'm by make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster columnist lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, also political

commentator sam dolan . oh, lord, commentator sam dolan. oh, lord, i'm going to start with you, sam suella inheritance tax . i think suella inheritance tax. i think it's suella inheritance tax. i think he ehhehhhwe— suella inheritance tax. i think he ehhehhhwe .— suella inheritance tax. i think it's appalling . look,- suella inheritance tax. i think it's appalling . look, my- ““: 2 fix i think it's appalling . look, my dad it's appalling. look, my dad came from nothing . he came he came from nothing. he came he came from a tiny— came from nothing. he came he came from a tiny little house in ewew.— came from a tiny little house in eehhew. he— came from a tiny little house in catford. he worked— came from a tiny little house in catford. he worked his way up hhuehewhheh— catford. he worked his way up prudential insurance. he made his prudential insurance. he made hhe money— prudential insurance. he made hhe wewew he— prudential insurance. he made his money. he was a cockney geezer.— his money. he was a cockney geee he— his money. he was a cockney geezer. he spoke— his money. he was a cockney geezer. he spoke like this. all hhghhe— geezer. he spoke like this. all hhghhe awh— geezer. he spoke like this. all hhghhe awe h— geezer. he spoke like this. all right? and i can.— geezer. he spoke like this. all right? and i can. i sent me. sew— right? and i can. i sent me. sewh we— right? and i can. i sent me. sewh we he— right? and i can. i sent me. sent me to private school, even eewh— sent me to private school, even eewh we— sent me to private school, even eewh we he— sent me to private school, even sent me to elocution lessons. so sent me to elocution lessons. se-wehk— sent me to elocution lessons. se-wehk .— sent me to elocution lessons. se-wehk . ehhu- sent me to elocution lessons. so_work , did it?- sent me to elocution lessons. so _work , did it? whatj so it didn't work, did it? what on were you talking about, on earth were you talking about, ladies, anyway ? like, so ladies, anyway? like, so hheeeheee— ladies, anyway? like, so therefore, he's- £2 7 like, so therefore, he's paid his 02 7 like, so therefore, he's paid his taxes big,— therefore, he's paid his taxes hhg, hhke— therefore, he's paid his taxes hhg, hhke, hege— therefore, he's paid his taxes big, like, large tax. he was hhke— big, like, large tax. he was hhke he— big, like, large tax. he was hhke he wee— big, like, large tax. he was like he was in— big, like, large tax. he was like he was in the highest hheekeh. — like he was in the highest bracket. and— like he was in the highest bracket. and when he passed last year.— bracket. and when he passed last weee hhke— bracket. and when he passed last year, like, obviously— bracket. and when he passed last year, like, obviously everything wewh— year, like, obviously everything wewh he— year, like, obviously everything wewh he my— year, like, obviously everything went to my mum— year, like, obviously everything went to my mum and stuff. and so hhke— went to my mum and stuff. and so hhke weu— went to my mum and stuff. and so now, like you know,— went to my mum and stuff. and so now, like you know, you have hhhe— now, like you know, you have hhhe-eh— now, like you know, you have hhhe-ehiewe- now, like you know, you have this of and mouse game this sort of cat and mouse game where— this sort of cat and mouse game where weuhe— this sort of cat and mouse game where you're,-know,- this sort of cat and mouse game where you're, know, where where you're, you know, where ehe-e—ghwe - she's like, you can give a eewehw— she's like, you can give a certain amount- she's like, you can give a certain amount your kids. certain amount to your kids. hhke— certain amount to your kids. hhke-hheh- certain amount to your kids. hhke-hheh he- certain amount to your kids. like _that is ,. certain amount to your kids. like _that is , youi like each year that is, you knew— like each year that is, you knew, he— like each year that is, you know, it's like,— like each year that is, you know, it's like, it's like yeu-e— know, it's like, it's like you're, there - know, it's like, it's like you're, there are people, accountants— you're, there are people, accountants that make that their ewhe— accountants that make that their ewhhe teh— accountants that make that their ewhhe teh he— accountants that make that their ewhhe teh he he— accountants that make that their entire job is to shift money eeuwe— entire job is to shift money eeuwh ewe— entire job is to shift money around and to— entire job is to shift money around and to stop the government- around and to stop the government from taking so much wewew— government from taking so much wewew hew— government from taking so much money from from _

government from taking so much money from from you , from from, money from from you, from from, weu— money from from you, from from, weu knew,— money from from you, from from, yeu kwew, wew— money from from you, from from, you know, your folks who have whe— you know, your folks who have whe wewe— you know, your folks who have who have earned— you know, your folks who have who have earned it fair and geue — who have earned it fair and geue ee— who have earned it fair and geue se h— who have earned it fair and square. so i think, you know, ehwheuehw— square. so i think, you know, obviously, this— square. so i think, you know, obviously, this is— square. so i think, you know, obviously, this is you know, hhhe—heel obviously, this is you know,- hhhe—heh hhe this is a winning tactic for the for this is a winning tactic for the her hhe— this is a winning tactic for the for the tories.— this is a winning tactic for the for the tories. i— this is a winning tactic for the for the tories. i mean, i would i for the tories. i mean, i would hweuhe— for the tories. i mean, i would i would whether— for the tories. i mean, i would i would whether they are doing it i would whether they are doing hh he— i would whether they are doing hh he_heweh— i would whether they are doing hh he_heweh eh- i would whether they are doing it to power or whether it to stay in power or whether hhew— it to stay in power or whether hhew-hhe— it to stay in power or whether hhew-hh-e e— it to stay in power or whether hhew-hh-e e geee- it to stay in power or whether they-it's a good-ii they think it's a good idea, i say— they think it's a good idea, i eew—whwweh- they think it's a good idea, i say _winner for. say that's it's a winner for ewewheey. — say that's it's a winner for everybody. h: c: “2 “ everybody. lizzie cundy in inheritance tax let me tell you. it's an attack on the graveyard . and it is it's a double tax. you get taxed when you're, you know, living , but not when know, living, but not when you're dead. and we work hard for our families. you know, i work hard and i want it to go to my boys. and i think many people feel this. it's not fair. my boys. and i think many people feel this. it's not fair . and i feel this. it's not fair. and i think the government have to do this, you know, out of a sense of fairness and justice. but i've been listening- of fairness and justice. but i've been listening to- 0“2 2: but i've been listening to some huwehhe— i've been listening to some lunatic broadcasting corporations and some others and hwe— corporations and some others and the heew— corporations and some others and i've been listening— corporations and some others and i've been listening and i hear heewe— i've been listening and i hear people 5aying— i've been listening and i hear people saying, but it's only hhghh— people saying, but it's only hhghh. hhe— people saying, but it's only right. it's not— people saying, but it's only right. it's not fair that people eheuh— right. it's not fair that people eheuhh he— right. it's not fair that people should be able— right. it's not fair that people should be able to have that. and hhew— should be able to have that. and hhew-hh— should be able to have that. and hhew-hh-hhhwk- then almost as if they think hheh,— then almost as if they think gar, wen,— then almost as if they think that, well, you've really that, well, you've worked really hew,— that, well, you've worked really hew, huh— that, well, you've worked really hew, huh you— that, well, you've worked really hard, but you should really that, well, you've worked really hard, itit you should really that, well, you've worked really hard, itit y0lto hould really that, well, you've worked really

hard, itit y0lto everybodyy that, well, you've worked really hard, itit y0lto everybody and share it now to everybody and it's share it now to everybody and hh-e-h— share it now to everybody and hh-e-h hhhwk— share it now to everybody and it's-i think that's. it's fine. and i think that's hehehhw— it's fine. and i think that's totally-we're- it's fine. and i think that'sj totally-we're-in totally wrong. we're not in a eeuwheh— totally wrong. we're not in a communist country. paid communist country. you've paid taxe— communist country. you've paid hew—knew- communist country. you've paid. tax,_know-makes tax, but do you know what makes this tax, but do you know what makes hhhe—hhehehe- this worse? is the probate ehhuehhew— this worse? is the probate situation as— this worse? is the probate situation as well. because what hehhewe— situation as well. because what hehhewe-ehk— situation as well. because what happens six months of happens is after six months of hheh— happens is after six months of that-whatever,- happens is after six months of that whatever, that that probate, whatever, that inheritance _ that probate, whatever, that inheritance - be, - that probate, whatever, that. inheritance - be, .then inheritance would be, you then hewe — inheritance would be, you then wewe-hew— inheritance would be, you then wewe-hew hhe— inheritance would be, you then have . pay the tax. - inheritance would be, you then have pay the tax. if you have to pay the tax. and if you eew-h— have to pay the tax. and if you eewh hew— have to pay the tax. and if you eewh hey hhe— have to pay the tax. and if you don't pay the tax— have to pay the tax. and if you don't pay the tax on the money or don't pay the tax on the money eh hhe — don't pay the tax on the money or the inheritance,— don't pay the tax on the money or the inheritance, that you weuhe— would get, then they start ehehghwg— would get, then they start. ehehghwg—wew charging interest on the non wewew— charging interest on the non wewew hheh— charging interest on the non money that you _ charging interest on the non money that you and then money that you have. and then wwew— money that you have. and then when-eventually- when you do eventually get that eew— money, which could take up to a wee— money, which could take up to a wee eh— money, which could take up to a year eh hh— money, which could take up to a year or more, it used to be guhekeu— year or more, it used to be quicken-house- year or more, it used to be quicker. house price may quicker. your house price may wewe—hwhew- quicker. your house price mayi have _further. your have sunk a little further. your tax have sunk a little further. your hex—ehhu— have sunk a little further. your tax_ still .the . tax burden will still be the eeuwh— tax burden will still be the. eweuwh—whhh amount you've paid in tax will be amount you've paid in tax will he-hwheheeh— amount you've paid in tax will be-interest and— amount you've paid in tax will be interest and you have to be the interest and you have to pay— be the interest and you have to hey hheh. — be the interest and you have to hey hheh. awe— be the interest and you have to pay that. and can't even pay that. and you can't even say,— pay that. and you can't even eew—hheh-ei say, well, look, hmrc, that's weh— say, well, look, hmrc, that's weh-heeeuee— say, well, look, hmrc, that's not- because i'm - say, well, look, hmrc, that's not because i'm waiting not right because i'm waiting for not right because i'm waiting hee-wwew— not right because i'm waiting for-whichla- for probate, which is a government- for probate, which is a government should government thing. why should i pay-they— government thing. why should i hew-hhew wewh- government thing. why should i pay they won't wait for pay the tax? they won't wait for it. pay the tax? they won't wait for h. ie— pay the tax? they won't wait for h. ielew— pay the tax? they won't wait for h. ielehh hhe— pay the tax? they won't wait for it. - a .off the whole - it. it's a rip off the whole hhhwg. — it. it's a rip off the whole hhhwg. owe— it. it's a rip off the whole thing. one of- it. it's a rip off the whole thing. cj“: it. it's a rip off the whole. thing. one of-best pals it. it's a rip off the whole- thing. one of-best pals last thing. one of my best pals last yean thing. one of my best pals last year, so my dad died and then her was very ill and her her mum was very ill and she's an only child. and her grandad , he came over from . from grandad, he came over from. from africa like many, many years ago and bought his house and stuff. and then he died. and then six months later her mum died and so she's got two properties and,

and she's trying to manage it and she's trying to manage it and she's trying to manage it and she's got she had probate and she's got she had probate and then probate from, from her grandfather . and like grandfather. and it's like a complete utter nightmare . complete and utter nightmare. and like, why it should be and it's like, why it should be surely it's simple. it takes surely it's simple. why it takes so yeah exactly. you work so long. yeah exactly. you work so long. yeah exactly. you work so invest in so long. yeah exactly. you work so-invest in your- so hard to invest in your family-— so hard to invest in your hewhhy. hhe— so hard to invest in your family. it's morally right. weh.— family. it's morally right. wehh. hhe— family. it's morally right. wehh. hh-e e— family. it's morally right. well, it's a money- family. it's morally right. well, it's a money grab, isn't it? really the inland revenue ehehweu— it? really the inland revenue ehehwee eh— it? really the inland revenue claimed 6.1 billion- c7’ j the inland revenue claimed 6.1 billion from inherited— claimed 6.1 billion from inherited tax_ claimed 6.1 billion from inherited tax and it isn't a gheeh— inherited tax and it isn't a gheeh eheh— inherited tax and it isn't a gheeh eheh hw— inherited tax and it isn't a great drop in the ocean. so you knew,— great drop in the ocean. so you knew, eeuw— great drop in the ocean. so you know, really do— great drop in the ocean. so you know, really do i— great drop in the ocean. so you know, really do i really feel eheewghw— know, really do i really feel strongly about— know, really do i really feel strongly about this? but to tax you— strongly about this? but to tax weu wwew— strongly about this? but to tax yeu whew yeuhe— strongly about this? but to tax you when you're dead and you eew-h— you when you're dead and you eew-h ee— you when you're dead and you can't do anything— you when you're dead and you can't do anything about it heuee— can't do anything about it because you're— can't do anything about it because you're dead daisies, you eew-h— because you're dead daisies, you can't even appeal— because you're dead daisies, you can't even appeal it. yeah it's tueh— can't even appeal it. yeah it's tueh h— can't even appeal it. yeah it's tueh h tueh— can't even appeal it. yeah it's tueh h tueh eew-h— can't even appeal it. yeah it's just i just don't understand. in just i just don't understand. hw hhhe— just i just don't understand. in this country,— just i just don't understand. in this country, we- just i just don't understand. in this country, we seem to have a situation where there is civil servants again, that everything takes so long. and in that there is always collateral damage and that collateral damage is not they don't cater for the collateral damage . so what of collateral damage. so what of the outcome will be? they don't say, oh, well, look, because of this and which is our fault and this and which is our fault and this system , it's no, no, no, this system, it's no, no, no, you're going the interest

you're going to pay the interest for there is no there's no for that. there is no there's no way and there's no way you can complain you complain about it because as you said, you're dead. said, you're dead. you're dead. but it's the whole thing with the as well. it's the elderly care as well. it's like, you you you like, you know, you have you hewe — like, you know, you have you have-amount- like, you know, you have you- have-amountlmoney, have a certain amount of money, but have a certain amount of money, huh—ge— have a certain amount of money, huh—ge hwhe- but if you have to go into eweew— but if you have to go into eweew-hhew- but if you have to go into elderly they suck that elderly care, they suck that wewew— elderly care, they suck that wewey ew. — elderly care, they suck that money dry. that's so wrong. hwhh— money dry. that's so wrong. hwhhh—hewel until you until you have wehhhwg— until you until you have . wehhhwg—eew until you until you have- nothing._can use until you until you have- notistate's_can use until you until you have notistate's money. can use until you until you have notistate's money. can after the state's money. i mean, after you— the state's money. i mean, after weu—whehe- the state's money. i mean, after weu—whehe hhhel you pay taxes your whole life, here— you pay taxes your whole life, here ewh— you pay taxes your whole life, there and you've— you pay taxes your whole life, there and you've been paying for ehheh— there and you've been paying for eweh-ee— there and you've been paying for other-as-through. other people as well through your— other people as well through yew—huh- other people as well through yew—huh hhei your taxes as well. but the wealthy not necessarily the wealth, to live in this country. wanting to live in this country. that's right. we are being taxed to death. basically. are to death. basically. we are being taxed and taxed you being taxed and taxed since, you know, worst tax since, you know, the worst tax since, you know, the worst tax since, you know, second world war. too know, second world war. it's too much . and this really needs to much. and this really needs to go well places like new go well in places like new zealand, example. they zealand, for example. they don't have that. zealand, for example. they don't hewe hheh. hhew— zealand, for example. they don't have that. they got— zealand, for example. they don't have that. they got rid- zealand, for example. they don't have that. they got rid of- 2 they don't have that. they got rid of it. i hhhwk—wehhi have that. they got rid of it. i thinklit's_well.j have that. they got rid of it. i thinint'slno-well.j have that. they got rid of it. i think it's no brainer. well. have that. they got rid of it. i think it's no brainer. vtthe to me it's a no brainer. if the eeweewehhwe— to me it's a no brainer. if the conservative party— to me it's a no brainer. if the conservative party did that, heuee— conservative party did that, because not— conservative party did that, because not only but because not only that, but hhew-we— they've kept the threshold at wwew— they've kept the threshold ati whheh—hw which inheritance tax kicks in at which inheritance tax kicks in eh hhe— which inheritance tax kicks in eh hhe ee— which inheritance tax kicks in at the same-for- which inheritance tax kicks in at the same for many, many at the same place for many, many wee— at the same place for many, many weewe—hheh- years. so that means that more heewe— years. so that means that more heewe-hhe— years. so that means that more people _the bracket- years. so that means that more people the bracket as people fall into the bracket as heuee—uh- people fall into the bracket as heuee—uh eh- people fall into the bracket as. house—up of course. people fall into the bracket as. housof_up of course. people fall into the bracket as housof course, up of course. people fall into the bracket as housof course, as up of course. people fall into the bracket as housof course, as house course. people fall into the bracket as housof course, as house pricese. and of course, as house prices hee— and of course, as house prices ehee—heehhel rise, obviously more people fall hwhe— rise, obviously more people fall hhhe-hheekeh— rise, obviously more people fall into-bracket and— rise, obviously more people fall into bracket and it's the into the bracket and it's the whethe— into the bracket and it's the middle england. it's not middle england. so it's not hhghh— middle england. so it's not hhghh. awe— middle england. so it's not right. and middle united kingdom eehuehhw—ee—

right. and middle united kingdom actually._as was- actually. so it's not, as was eehe— actually. so it's not, as was eehe ,— actually. so it's not, as was eehe , hh— actually. so it's not, as was said , £1 million,- actually. so it's not, as was said , £1 million, which wrong said, £1 million, which is wrong . hhe— said, £1 million, which is wrong . hh-e weh— said, £1 million, which is wrong . hh-e weh hhe— said, £1 million, which is wrong . it's not the wealthy people, hhe— . it's not the wealthy people, hhe-heehhe— . it's not the wealthy people, hhe-heehhe ehe- . it's not the wealthy people, the people are know the the wealthy people are know the whee— the wealthy people are know the huhee ewe— the wealthy people are know the huhee ewe hhew— the wealthy people are know the rules and they and— the wealthy people are know the rules and they and it's not a hex— rules and they and it's not a hex ew— rules and they and it's not a hex ew eeeh— rules and they and it's not a hex ew eeeh .— rules and they and it's not a tax on cash . actually, it's tax on cash. actually, it's a hex— tax on cash. actually, it's a hex ew— tax on cash. actually, it's a tax on wealth. _ tax on cash. actually, it's a tax on wealth. and as i as i uweeheheee— tax on wealth. and as i as i understood-the- tax on wealth. and as i as i understood the creation , the understood it, the creation, the ewe— understood it, the creation, the teve-he— understood it, the creation, the teve-he hhe- understood it, the creation, the love - is the root - understood it, the creation, the love-is the root of. understood it, the creation, the love is the root of all love of money is the root of all ewh— love of money is the root of all ewh .— love of money is the root of all ewh . huh— love of money is the root of all ewh . huh hhe— love of money is the root of all evil . but the creation of wealth evil. but the creation of wealth is evil. but the creation of wealth he_hewe— evil. but the creation of wealth he_hewe hheh. - evil. but the creation of wealth is-love that. i- evil. but the creation of wealth is-love that. i love. is good. i love that. i love that hard. all our lives that we work hard. all our lives we paying with we were paying mortgages with high . but come high interest rates. but come on, it's just absurd. it's unfair and unjust. like you said, it's absurd.- unfair and unjust. like you said, it's absurd. you- l. 2 0“2 l. like you said, it's absurd. you know, weue— said, it's absurd. you know, you've accrued— said, it's absurd. you know, you've accrued a- said, it's absurd. you know, you've accrued a certain amount of you've accrued a certain amount eh weehhh— you've accrued a certain amount eh weehhh ewe— you've accrued a certain amount of wealth and paid— you've accrued a certain amount of wealth and paid high taxes to of wealth and paid hiin taxes to get of wealth and paid high taxes to geh he— of wealth and paid high taxes to geh he geh— of wealth and paid high taxes to geh he geh he— of wealth and paid high taxes to get to get to that— of wealth and paid high taxes to get to get to that amount , of wealth and paid high taxes to get to get to that amount, and hhew— get to get to that amount, and hhew you— get to get to that amount, and hhew yeu eew-h— get to get to that amount, and then you can't even pass that weww— then you can't even pass that eeww he— then you can't even pass that eeww he your— then you can't even pass that down to your children without hewhwg— down to your children without hewhwg he— down to your children without hewhwg he hey— down to your children without having to pay another 40. having to pay another like 40. wee— having to pay another like 40.| was—something? was it like 40% or something? heeh. — was it like 40% or something? heeh. .hh-e— was it like 40% or something? yeah. it's ridiculous. ' 2 yeah. and it's ridiculous. and you— yeah. and it's ridiculous. and you-wehh— yeah. and it's ridiculous. and yeu-hehh wew— yeah. and it's ridiculous. and you help your children. so you can help your children. so people but what point people say. but what his point about the about old people, well, it's the old it's not because old people. it's not because that i've accrued that thing that i've accrued will be for my children who will be you're keeping the be young. but you're keeping the money and i'm money in the system and i'm keeping yeah. so keeping the money. yeah. so they have and so they can give it have it. and so they can give it to kids. and so actually, have it. and so they can give it tois kids. and so actually, have it. and so they can give it tois a kids. and so actually, have it. and so they can give it tois a kikon and so actually, have it. and so they can give it tois a kikon and people,ally, have it. and so they can give it tois a kikon and people, you it is a tax on the people, you know. money that i'm know. but the money that i'm going to my kids be going to give to my kids will be

for be young for them and they'll be young and their kids. and they can pass to their kids. and wrong and there's nothing wrong with that. tired. that. and i'm sick and tired. why they saying, oh, they why are they saying, oh, they wewewh— why are they saying, oh, they haven't worked— why are they saying, oh, they haven't worked for it? why? you knew,— haven't worked for it? why? you knew—h. i know, they're just getting it. wehe— know, they're just getting it. wewh—week hold on. this is what i work for is hold on. this is what i work for he-huh— hold on. this is what i work for he-huh-hhew- hold on. this is what i work for is-but-they will. is for my. but also they will eeewe— is for my. but also they will eeewe hh— is for my. but also they will eeewe hh ewh— is for my. but also they will spend it and they will spend it ewe— spend it and they will spend it ewe-hhe— spend it and they will spend it and-the economy- spend it and they will spend it and the economy it spend it and they will spend it. and _the economy-it is. and add to the economy as it is. so and add to the economy as it is. se-hh-e— and add to the economy as it is. se-hh-e hhke— and add to the economy as it is. so-it's like rather- so it's like it's like rather than disappearing than it disappearing into the into coffers, into the government's coffers, it the people. and it stays within the people. and then they they spend it stays within the people. and thon they they spend it stays within the people. and thon like, they they spend it stays within the people. and thon like, you they they spend it stays within the people. and thon like, you they tiand;pend it stays within the people. and thon like, you they tiand like,i it on like, you know, and like, you local you know, local, local businesses etcetera. so it's just paid. the just they've already paid. the other already other thing is they've already eehe—eewh- other thing is they've already paid—don't see- other thing is they've already paid don't see why paid tax. now i don't see why you— paid tax. now i don't see why yeu eheuhe— paid tax. now i don't see why yeu eheuhe hew— paid tax. now i don't see why you should pay tax twice. it wekee— you should pay tax twice. it. wekee—hh-e you should pay tax twice. it- wekee—hh-e e makes me quite cross and it's a guhek— makes me quite cross and it's a quick—conservative. quick win for the conservative party— quick win for the conservative heew ee— quick win for the conservative eeew ee wehh. — quick win for the conservative party as well. .as- quick win for the conservative party as well. as ever, this party as well. but as ever, this ewew— party as well. but as ever, this ewew-wehhhwg— party as well. but as ever, this show nothing without show is nothing without you and wew— show is nothing without you and weuh—weheewe- show is nothing without you and your welcome some your views. let's welcome some of your views. let's welcome some eh-eheeh— your views. let's welcome some of-great-voices.- of our great british voices. hheh— of our great british voices. . hheh—hhe their opportunity to be on the ewew.— their opportunity to be on the ewew—hhhwki show. tell us what they think eheuh— show. tell us what they think eheuh-wehe- about the topics we're discussing— discussing today. unfortunately eww— discussing today. unfortunately. eww—weee. only two of you. i wanted more. heu— only two of you. i wanted more. heu-ehh— only two of you. i wanted more. you-all watching- you probably all watching something hello. i've something else. oh, hello. i've got something else. oh, hello. i've geh-shephewhe.— something else. oh, hello. i've got-stephanie.-also. got two, stephanie. and also hewehhew— got two, stephanie. and also jonathan _with.| jonathan jones to start with. hewehhew— jonathan jones and sir jonathan twee— jonathan jones and sir jonathan eewee _eee weu- jones. good to see you, sir. hewehhew— jones. good to see you, sir. jonathan what— jones. good to see you, sir. jonathan what do you think? oh, no, jonathan what do you think? oh, we . wheh— jonathan what do you think? oh, no, no . what are— jonathan what do you think? oh, no, no . what are your thoughts no, no. what are your thoughts on no, no. what are your thoughts ew ma— no, no. what are your thoughts ew hhhee ow— no, no. what are your thoughts on this? oh definitely bring weww— on this? oh definitely bring eewhe-— on this? oh definitely bring down-or-rid- on this? oh definitely bring down-or-rid of. on this? oh definitely bring. down-or-rid of it. down the tax or get rid of it. i down the tax or get rid of it. h hhhwk— down the tax or get rid of it. h hhhwk hhe— down the tax or get rid of it. i think it's great— down the tax or get rid of it. i think it's great news.- down the tax or get rid of it. i think it's great news. i- down the tax or get rid of it. i think it's great news. i mean, this has an hit on this tax has been an easy hit on people being creative . and, you

people being creative. and, you know, the history— people being creative. and, you know, the history of— people being creative. and, you know, the history of this- know, the history of this eeuwhw— know, the history of this eeuwhw hee— know, the history of this country has always been because heewe— country has always been because heehhe eheehee— country has always been because people created wealth and they did people created wealth and they ehe—whhh— people created wealth and they ehe—whhh hh. - people created wealth and they did _with it. you. did good things with it. you uew-h— did good things with it. you uew-h weee— did good things with it. you don't need government to don't need the government to tell do. the tell them what to do. the government spends way too much of already. i'm of our money already. so i'm all in of think it in favour of it. i think it would be really good thing. and us there us tea drinkers out there all saying let's saying get rid of it and let's all have cup of tea. a all have a good cup of tea. a good cup of tea. yeah thank you ewh— good cup of tea. yeah thank you end geee— good cup of tea. yeah thank you end geee hee.— good cup of tea. yeah thank you and good tea. it— good cup of tea. yeah thank you and good tea. it is— good cup of tea. yeah thank you and good tea. it is ,— good cup of tea. yeah thank you and good tea. it is , by the way. and good tea. it is, by the way. hew-h— and good tea. it is, by the way. hew-h heegeh— and good tea. it is, by the way. don't forget, you're supposed to be don't forget, you're supposed to he wekhwg— don't forget, you're supposed to be making this— don't forget, you're supposed to be making this rac tea for me. h-w — be making this rac tea for me. h-w ehhu— be making this rac tea for me. h-w whhh-hee— i'm still waiting for it, hewehhew. — i'm still waiting for it, jonathan. i'm going to hold jonathan. so i'm going to hold you— jonathan. so i'm going to hold weulhheh— jonathan. so i'm going to hold weulhheh hee— jonathan. so i'm going to hold you .that for you. _ jonathan. so i'm going to hold you that for you. hey that's you to that for you. hey that's geeh— you to that for you. hey that's gheeh. — you to that for you. hey that's great. chelsea— you to that for you. hey that's great. you to that for you. hey that's. great. chelsea flower-it's great. chelsea flower show. it's going great cup of tea. going to be a great cup of tea. nana forward nana worth. i'm looking forward to long as my to that. but as long as my wewee- hw- but as long as my name's , i'm happy. to that. but as long as my- name's-, i'm happy. right. but as long as my nameask , i'm happy. right. but as long as my nameask ashleyn happy. right. but as long as my nameask ashleyn happy. iwhat let's ask ashley szczesny. what do let's ask ashley szczesny. what ehe-e— let's ask ashley szczesny. what ehe-e heehh— let's ask ashley szczesny. what do - ? death tax? - let's ask ashley szczesny. what do ? death tax? does it do you think? death tax? does it weee—hh— do you think? death tax? does it need _it actually- need to go or is it actually eewehhhwg— need to go or is it actually something that— need to go or is it actually something that is should stay? eeeh— something that is should stay? good afternoon— something that is should stay? good afternoon and feel left out whhheuh— good afternoon and feel left out whhheuh my— good afternoon and feel left out now without my tea . 24:5 4:h. now without my tea. yes. you knew.— now without my tea. yes. you knew. hw— now without my tea. yes. you know, in answering your question , yes, i agree with what most most of everyone has said . we most of everyone has said. we should abolish the inheritance tax . it does seem like a double

tax. it does seem like a double tax, which is unnecessary . and tax, which is unnecessary. and as everyone was explaining , it's as everyone was explaining, it's about 40% of the inheritance . about 40% of the inheritance. and i think the figures that were given were, as you said, 375,000 and tax free. then again , 125,000, which is 500. so it's the majority , 125,000, which is 500. so it's hhe weteehhy eh— , 125,000, which is 500. so it's the majority of the— �*iz’l'; jdjdjd 2“ l300 so it's the majority of the population. so the majority of the population. se e— the majority of the population. se e hee— the majority of the population. se e heh eh— the majority of the population. so a lot of people,— the majority of the population. so a lot of people, a— the majority of the population. so a lot of people, a lot- the majority of the population. so a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people. listen, stephanie, always a pleasure. and jonathan jones, always a pleasure as well. thank you so much. are my british much. those are my great british voices what voices right. so that's what they do you think? they think. what do you think? yes. a of people think yes. well a lot of people think it's crazy craziness. why it's a crazy craziness. why should we have to that ? should we have to pay that? right. let's move on to right. well, let's move on to another story. caught another story. this one caught my week. prime my eye this week. former prime minister boris johnson has agreed to hand over of his agreed to hand over all of his covid. what's up? messages to the inquiry. despite the covid 19 inquiry. despite the covid 19 inquiry. despite the announcement the government's announcement that judicial that it would seek judicial review into the demand the review into the demand by the inquiry. chair to full access to the messages from the messages sent from the ministers phones. this time, however , should we even be however, should we even be bothering this inquiry ? bothering with this inquiry? see, that's what i'm asking. legal experts it's

legal experts say that it's going last or at least going to at last or at least 2027. some say 2028. let me ask my panel. what do you think? i mean, look, we mentioned it earlier, people , you earlier, but i think people, you know, asking questions and know, are asking questions and they should answered. i do they should be answered. i do think should they should be answered. i do thinklshould happen.- think it should happen. but it's the think it should happen. but it's hhe—hwguhw- think it should happen. but it's hhe—hwguhw he- the fact is, this inquiry is hekhwg— the fact is, this inquiry is hekhwg ee— the fact is, this inquiry is taking so long- the fact is, this inquiry is taking so long and they should it taking so long and they should hh eheuhh— taking so long and they should hh eheuhh he— taking so long and they should it should be totally reformed. so it should be totally reformed. he he— it should be totally reformed. he he eewe— it should be totally reformed. so it's done quickly . and so it's done quickly. and whhheuh— so it's done quickly. and without biased people, you know, but without biased people, you know, huh ee— without biased people, you know, huh ee h— without biased people, you know, huh ee h eehe— without biased people, you know, but as i said earlier, if it hekee— but as i said earlier, if it hekee ee— but as i said earlier, if it takes so long,- but as i said earlier, if it takes so long, we're going to be ewehheh— takes so long, we're going to be ewehheh hew— takes so long, we're going to be another ten years— takes so long, we're going to be another ten years down the road. no another ten years down the road. we ee— another ten years down the road. we gehwg— another ten years down the road. we gehwg he— another ten years down the road. no one's going to really care. hhew-hh— no one's going to really care. wewh-uh— no one's going to really care. they'll up caring. 2 they'll give up caring. should we hehheh— they'll give up caring. should we bother sam? i— they'll give up caring. should we bother sam? i again,- they'll give up caring. 2 7 i again, it's we bother sam? i again, it's hhke— we bother sam? i again, it's hhke ehh— we bother sam? i again, it's hhke ehh ee— we bother sam? i again, it's like all so much— we bother sam? i again, it's like all so much red- 7 i again, it's like all so much red tape , so like all so much red tape, so weww— like all so much red tape, so weww hhke— like all so much red tape, so new hhke, yeu— like all so much red tape, so many like, you know, like these hhhwge— many like, you know, like these things backwards— many like, you know, like these things backwards and forwards. ewh— things backwards and forwards. civil servants,— things backwards and forwards. civil servants, as— things backwards and forwards. civil servants, as you say, hhke— civil servants, as you say, hhke, you— civil servants, as you say, like, you know,- civil servants, as you say, like, you know, so many so many eke— like, you know, so many so many eke ee weww— like, you know, so many so many cooks, so many, so much spoilt hhehh. — cooks, so many, so much spoilt hhehh. h— cooks, so many, so much spoilt hhehh. h weew— cooks, so many, so much spoilt broth. i mean, it's— cooks, so many, so much spoilt broth. i mean, it's just like wheh— broth. i mean, it's just like wheh-eewhe- broth. i mean, it's just like what point? and, you what is the point? and, you knew— what is the point? and, you knew-ewh— what is the point? and, you know,-and.don't- know, and i and i don't think he— know, and i and i don't think hh-elwhheh— know, and i and i don't think it'slwitch hunt— know, and i and i don't think it's witch hunt against boris. it's a witch limit against boris. i it's a witch hunt against boris. h eew-h— it's a witch hunt against boris. h uew-h hhhwk— it's a witch hunt against boris. i don't think it— it's a witch hunt against boris. i don't think it is- it's a witch hunt against boris. i don't think it is at all. it's tueh— i don't think it is at all. it's tueh-tueh— i don't think it is at all. it's tueh-tueh-tuehl just but it's just it's just hhke— just but it's just it's justi hhke—kwew just but it's just it's just- like_know, things like you know, you know, things eheuhh — like you know, you know, things should investigated . but should be investigated. but the fact should be investigated. but the heeh-wewe— should be investigated. but the fact _would - such - fact that it would take such a hewg—tueh- fact that it would take such a hewg—tueh hhkel long time and it's just like, or..— long time and it's just like, ew-hh— long time and it's just like, ew-hh hekhwg- long time and it's just like, oh,-it taking so- oh, why is it taking so long weheh— oh, why is it taking so long

here?.other_ oh, why is it taking so long here? os: 2 2.0. oh, why is it taking so long here? 2.h::h. 22h oh, why is it taking so long here? cjc“hz:2 2 20 c oh, why is it taking so long here? 2.h::h. 20 c here? other countries do it so quickly. at it. was that if quickly. look at it. was that if it was quickly. look at it. was that if hh hheh— quickly. look at it. was that if it was that it— quickly. look at it. was that if it was that it was— quickly. look at it. was that if it was that it was that- it was that it was that hwhewhew— it was that it was that important, get it done. important, like get it done. hhe— important, like get it done. we hhke— important, like get it done. it's like it's— important, like get it done. it's like it's like- important, like get it done. it's like it's like we were eethg— it's like it's like we were saying before _ it's like it's like we were saying before about, you know, the saying before about, you know, hhe-whhh— saying before about, you know, the with immigration the problem with immigration and like and, and getting, you know, likew— like and, and getting, you know, hhkelkwew— like and, and getting, you know, like,-know, going- like and, and getting, you know, like, know, going through like, you know, going through hhke—ehi like maybe 5% every week or wheheweh— like maybe 5% every week or wheheweh eh— like maybe 5% every week or whatever or like _ like maybe 5% every week or whatever or like 5% in year. whatever or like 5% in a year. i hhhwk— whatever or like 5% in a year. i hhhwk hh— whatever or like 5% in a year. i hhhwk hh wee— whatever or like 5% in a year. i think it was.like- whatever or like 5% in a year. i think it was.like ,- whatever or like 5% in a year. i think it was like , this is think it was it's like, this is so think it was it's like, this is ee—hwhhew- think it was it's like, this isj so _ employ more so important. employ more heewe,— so important. employ more heehhe, geh— so important. employ more heehhe, geh hh— so important. employ more people, get it done, you know, get people, get it done, you know, gehleewe— people, get it done, you know, getldone because - people, get it done, you know, get done because it's so get it done because it's so hwhewhew.— get it done because it's so important. you— get it done because it's so important. you banging important. you keep banging on eheuh—he.- important. you keep banging on eheuh—he. huhl about how important it is. put. eewe—eheh. some money into like more staff. t hey— some money into like more staff. they tueh— some money into like more staff. they tueh geh— some money into like more staff. they tueh geh eo— some money into like more staff. they just get 30 staff members ewh— they just get 30 staff members ewelhweugh— they just get 30 staff members and through those wes and go through those wes shheehhwg— and go through those wes streeting because but they can't do streeting because but they can't he hheh— streeting because but they can't do that because— streeting because but they can't do that because baroness hallett has do that because baroness hallett hee-hweugh— do that because baroness hallett hee-hweugh hh— do that because baroness hallett has through it because has to look through it because i hew-h— has to look through it because i uew-h wewh— has to look through it because i uew-h wewh eo— has to look through it because i don't want 30 unknown people heekhwg— don't want 30 unknown people| looking _there'll looking through that. there'll be looking through that. there'll he—hhehe-hhl looking through that. there'llj be_there'll be looking through that. there'll. be_there'll be a be a leak and then there'll be a big it will be big thing and it will be everywhere. look, i'm sick of it. right. listen, it. like right. well, listen, it's fire it's time for the quick fire quiz. have fun. now, quiz. let's have some fun. now, this is the part of the show where panellists test their where my panellists test their knowledge of knowledge and yours on some of the stories hit the big stories that hit the headlines. joining me, broadcaster lizzie cundy. lizzie buzzer and sam darling, your buzzer. please play buzzer. please, please play along at home as well. right let's see. question one a man in hampshire been arrested hampshire has been arrested after suspected have after he was suspected to have stolen , what it, a baby

stolen, what is it, a, a baby donkey? b a crate of traffic cones or c, two police cars. boom i think that was lizzie cundy, a baby donkey. baby donkey. sam. it was a baby donkey. sam. it was a baby donkey because baby donkey is a baby it baby donkey. you're right. it was baby donkey. and the name was a baby donkey. and the name of the donkey was moon. moon . of the donkey was moon. moon. floppy is. that's of the donkey was moon. moon. them he. hheh-e e— of the donkey was moon. moon. floppy is. that's a good- “ “ moon. floppy is. that's a good name. kehuehhw— floppy is. that's a good name. kehuehhw. hh— floppy is. that's a good name. kehuehhw. h h— floppy is. that's a good name. actually. if i have— floppy is. that's a good name. actually. if i have another- actually. if i have another child, i'll call it moon. yeah, that's not going to happen with the menopause you saw. i did it on camera . right. question two on camera. right. question two jane mcdonald has replaced phillip presenter phillip schofield as a presenter of annual soap of the annual british soap awards . for how british awards. for how many british soap phillip soap awards does phillip schofield previously presented closest some dumas 15. closest to win some dumas 15. lizzie cundy 1212. let's see the answer is 15. absolutely sam, darling, you get that at home. too many, too many. that was the away as well. that would have also worked. too many. too many would have been a good answer as well, question well, right? question three air new has with the new zealand has come up with the new improve fuel new scheme to improve fuel efficiency, is is efficiency, but what is it? is it allowing pets on it a allowing more pets on flights, weighing passengers, flights, b, weighing passengers, or faster? sam dowler

or c, flying faster? sam dowler weighing passengers. i'll go for a then pets. pets. it's weighing passengers . absolutely. with passengers. absolutely. with either of you, be happy to be weighed on a flight. yeah. no, i'd be quite happy— weighed on a flight. yeah. no, i'd be quite happy to- weighed on a flight. yeah. no, i'd be quite happy to be- i'd be quite happy to be wehgheeh— i'd be quite happy to be wehghee. — i'd be quite happy to be weighed. whiz; “ c weighed. well, i mean, it's ridiculous. like when they when they argue about you've gone one kilogram over, but you don't like paying. no, but but then , like paying. no, but but then, but then you're sat next to somebody who's i think somebody who's 200kg. i think they they should add it they should they should add it all it should be all in. yes. it should be factored in. question four true or factored in. question four true eh-ukhehwhew- factored in. question four true or-ukrainian brewery. or false? a ukrainian brewery hee— or false? a ukrainian brewery hee eewe— or false? a ukrainian brewery has come .with- or false? a ukrainian brewery has come-with a- or false? a ukrainian brewery has come with a new boris has come out with a new boris gehweew— has come out with a new boris johnson theme— has come out with a new boris johnson theme named johnson johnson theme beer named johnson ukiljzzje— johnson theme beer named johnson ukiljzzje cundy— johnson theme beer named johnson ukilizzie cundy.-said- johnson theme beer named johnson uk lizzie cundy. said it's uk. lizzie cundy. she said it's heue.— uk. lizzie cundy. she said it's heue. heh-e— uk. lizzie cundy. she said it's true. let's see— uk. lizzie cundy. she said it's true. let's see if— uk. lizzie cundy. she said it's true. let's see if she's right. i true. let's see if she's right. h hhhwk— true. let's see if she's right. h hhhwk hhe— true. let's see if she's right. i think it's true,— true. let's see if she's right. i think it's true, isn't it? yes if i think it's true, isn't it? yes hh you— i think it's true, isn't it? yes w yeu hee— i think it's true, isn't it? yes w yeu hee e— i think it's true, isn't it? yes if you had a beer- i think it's true, isn't it? yes if you had a beer named after you,— if you had a beer named after yeu wheh— if you had a beer named after you, what would— if you had a beer named after you, what would what be you, what would what would it be eewehh— you, what would what would it be eeheh-hhew— you, what would what would it be called?-fizzy lizzie. - called? oh, fizzy lizzie. fizzy, lizzie.— called? oh, fizzy lizzie. fizzy, lizzie. i— called? oh, fizzy lizzie. fizzy, lizzie. i like- called? cj“ w'w'h: fizzy, lizzie. i like that. hewheee— fizzy, lizzie. i like that. dowless drips. - fizzy, lizzie. i like that. dowless drips. dowless drips . dowless drips. dowless drips. mine would just be called mine weuhe— mine would just be called mine weuhe tueh— mine would just be called mine weuhe tueh he— mine would just be called mine would just be called draft. i weewh— would just be called draft. i meant no, it'd— would just be called draft. i meant no, it'd be— would just be called draft. i meant no, it'd be called- would just be called draft. i meant no, it'd be called boss. right . question five this week right. question five this week saw an announcement that this 83 weeh— saw an announcement that this 83 weee ehh— saw an announcement that this 83 year old celebrity— saw an announcement that this 83 year old celebrity was expecting a year old celebrity was expecting e ewhe— year old celebrity was expecting e ewhe .— year old celebrity was expecting e ewhe . huh— year old celebrity was expecting a child . but which- year old celebrity was expecting a child . but which celebrity is a child. but which celebrity is it? a child. but which celebrity is he he— a child. but which celebrity is he he hh— a child. but which celebrity is

he he hh e— a child. but which celebrity is it? is it a robert— a child. but which celebrity is it? is it a robert de niro? b, gee— it? is it a robert de niro? b, joe heeeh — it? is it a robert de niro? b, joe heeeh eh— it? is it a robert de niro? b, joe pesci or c,— it? is it a robert de niro? b, joe pesci or c, al- it? is it a robert de niro? b, joe pesci or c, al pacino ? oh joe pesci or c, al pacino? oh ow.— joe pesci or c, al pacino? oh oh hhzzhe— joe pesci or c, al pacino? oh oh. lizzie cundy— joe pesci or c, al pacino? oh oh. lizzie cundy . ' j j: oh. lizzie cundy. a, robert de niro is it robert de niro? al pacino . it's al pacino. it's h c j j: h 207 al pacino . it's al pacino. it's al pacino. it's al pacino. it's al heehwe— pacino. it's al pacino. it's al heehwe . — pacino. it's al pacino. it's al heehwe . we.— pacino. it's al pacino. it's al pacino . no, it— pacino. it's al pacino. it's al pacino . \hh::h c it pacino. it's al pacino. it's al pacino . with c it was. pacino. it's al pacino. it's al pacino . \w: c it was. it pacino. no, it was. it was. it wehehh— pacino. no, it was. it was. it was robert de— pacino. no, it was. it was. it was robert de niro.- pacino. no, it was. it was. it was robert de niro. a- pacino. \ww: c it was. it was robert de niro. a few maybe a was robert de niro. a few maybe e eeuwe— was robert de niro. a few maybe e eeuhhe eh— was robert de niro. a few maybe a couple of months— was robert de niro. a few maybe a couple of months ago. 2w:“ c a couple of months ago. i don't hehhewe— a couple of months ago. i don't hehhewe he.— a couple of months ago. i don't hehhewe h. we.— a couple of months ago. i don't believe it. no, it— a couple of months ago. i don't believe it. no, it was actually my friend. did you know that is your friend? of course. you know everybody— your friend? of course. you know ewewheey eh— your friend? of course. you know ewewheey eh ew— your friend? of course. you know everybody or an ex— 2 w:“27 of course. you know everybody or an ex friend. jw:2 everybody or an ex friend. dodi gheeh. — everybody or an ex friend. dodi gheeh. _weeh— everybody or an ex friend. dodi ghost-yeah good. on| everybody or an ex friend. jw:2 2g show, 24:0“ 22 on everybody or an ex friend. jw:2 g show, i've;0“ 22 on everybody or an ex friend. jw:2 g show, i've beenxu:w2 on everybody or an ex friend. jw:2 g show, i've been asking, today's show, i've been asking, weuhe— today's show, i've been asking, weuhe you— today's show, i've been asking, would you hand— today's show, i've been asking, would you hand over your phone for would you hand over your phone hee e— would you hand over your phone hee e huhhhe— would you hand over your phone for a public inquiry? and eeeewhwg— for a public inquiry? and according to— for a public inquiry? 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wind still coming in from the northeast. so eastern coast a little bit chilly, but further west , temperatures remaining west, temperatures remaining above average for the time of year. above average for the time of year . so fine above average for the time of year. so fine end to the day we will see some low cloud across northeast scotland and also eastern england feeding slowly back making its way back inland, making its way towards the midlands during the early hours. but there will be lots of dry weather clear lots of dry weather around clear skies in the west and we could see a few shallow and fog see a few shallow mist and fog patches temperatures dipping patches and temperatures dipping into figures. so yes, a into single figures. so yes, a chilly start to sunday morning, but for many a sunny start. we do cloud, and do have low cloud, central and eastern parts. this slowly burns back towards the coast, i think eastern parts of scotland, the towards the east coast of england could see some low cloud at times. and with that northeasterly breeze, it be northeasterly breeze, it will be quite chilly. temperatures struggling there, 30 struggling grimsby there, 30 degrees. but come further west, temperatures rising into the low 20s locally, 25 degrees is possible , say for parts of west possible, say for parts of west wales into the evening time . wales into the evening time. plenty of dry weather to come.

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