on the show , i'm going tonight on the show, i'm going tonight on the show, i'm going to tell you why i've got no pride in pride. and i'm going to tell you— pride in pride. and i'm going to teuyou why. — pride in pride. and i'm going to tell you why. it's— pride in pride. and i'm going to tell you why. it's time- pride in pride. and i'm going to tell you why. it's time for- tell you why. it's time for britain to ditch the death tax. how does the bbc find he lost the plot. should asylum seekers who— the plot. should asylum seekers who eueef— the plot. should asylum seekers who refuse taxpayer— should asylum seekers who refuse taxpayer funded heele— who refuse taxpayer funded heeete be— who refuse taxpayer funded hotels be deported .7 ' z who refuse taxpayer funded hotels be deported .7 ' “2 hotels be deported.7 and is the university sector working for anyone? graduates or non—graduates alike? it's 8:00, and this is the— non—graduates alike? it's 8:00, and this is the ._ and this is the. saturday five. welcome— and this is the. saturday five. welcome ee— and this is the. saturday five. welcome to the— and this is the. saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. the— welcome to the saturday five. the e— welcome to the saturday five. the is the — welcome to the saturday five. this is the best— welcome to the saturday five. this is the best saturday night takeaway— this is the best saturday night takeaway that— this is the best saturday night takeaway that you could order to expect. — takeaway that you could order to expect. spicy— takeaway that you could order to expect. spicy debate , fiery expect. spicy debate, fiery opinion,— expect. spicy debate, fiery opinion, and— expect. spicy debate, fiery opinion, and a— expect. spicy debate, fiery opinion, and a huge topping of fun every— opinion, and a huge topping of fun every week. _ opinion, and a huge topping of fun every week. you join? i'll be emily— fun every week. you join? i'll be emily benjamin and myself elong— be emily benjamin and myself along with— be emily benjamin and myself along with e— be emily benjamin and myself along with a guest star. but not the— along with a guest star. but not the week.— along with a guest star. but not this week. we've— along with a guest star. but not this week. we've got an albion benjamin— this week. we've got an albion benjamin butterworth shaped hole in the— benjamin butterworth shaped hole in the nee—up.— benjamin butterworth shaped hole in the line—up. tonight one ceme— in the line—up. tonight one could say— in the line—up. tonight one could say we've— in the line—up. tonight one could say we've got rid of the walk.— could say we've got rid of the walk. just— could say we've got rid of the walk. just joking— could say we've got rid of the

walk. just joking ._ could say we've got rid of the walk. just joking . tonight, walk. just joking. tonight, gee— walk. just joking. tonight, we've got the— walk. just joking. tonight, we've got the sports supremo and housewife— we've got the sports supremo and housewife favourite— we've got the sports supremo and housewife favourite aidan magee aaron — housewife favourite aidan magee aaron bostoni— housewife favourite aidan magee aaron bastani ,_ housewife favourite aidan magee aaron bastani , bringing aaron bastani, bringing a sprinkle— aaron bastani, bringing a sprinkle of— aaron bastani, bringing a sprinkle of socialist sugar and book— sprinkle of socialist sugar and book by— sprinkle of socialist sugar and book by popular— sprinkle of socialist sugar and back by popular demand. it's patrick— back by popular demand. it's patrick christys_ back by popular demand. it's patrick christys . back by popular demand. it's patrick christys. c back by popular demand. it's patrick christys . c patrick christys. love it. the premise of the show is simple. every week the same. tonight, each host gets 60s to outline their argument about their chosen topic , and then we all chosen topic, and then we all pile in. and of course, we want to know your views as well. please do get in touch throughout the show by emailing gbviews@gbnews.uk. but before we all other all start tearing each other apart at it is your saturday night bethany elsey . night news with bethany elsey. good evening. i'm bethany elsey wish— good evening. i'm bethany elsey with your— good evening. i'm bethany elsey wrrrs your rop— good evening. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb with your top stories from the es newsroom— with your top stories from the gb newsroom ._ with your top stories from the gb newsroom . the prime minister, gb newsroom. the prime minister, rorsrrr— gb newsroom. the prime minister, rorsrrr soror— gb newsroom. the prime minister, rishi sunak and— gb newsroom. the prime minister, rishi sunak and other international leaders have expressed— international leaders have expressed their condolences errer— expressed their condolences after india's— expressed their condolences after india's worst rail orsosrer— after india's worst rail disaster for- after india's worst rail disaster for decades. at least zes— disaster for decades. at least zss peopre— disaster for decades. at least 288 people have— disaster for decades. at least 288 people have been killed and oun— 288 people have been killed and ouno soo— 288 people have been killed and around 850 injured in the oeeroenr— around 850 injured in the accident in— around 850 injured in the accident in the- around 850 injured in the accident in the eastern state of oorsno— accident in the eastern state of oorsno .—

accident in the eastern state of odisha . three— accident in the eastern state of odisha . three trains were odisha. three trains were rnroueo— odisha. three trains were rnvoueo .— odisha. three trains were involved . two- odisha. three trains were involved . two passenger trains involved. two passenger trains eouroeo— involved. two passenger trains collided when— involved. two passenger trains collided when one derailed, and born— collided when one derailed, and born rnen— collided when one derailed, and both then crashed— collided when one derailed, and both then crashed into a goods nun— both then crashed into a goods rrorn .— both then crashed into a goods rrorn . non-s— both then crashed into a goods train . india's prime minister train. india's prime minister uorenoro— train. india's prime minister narendra modi— train. india's prime minister narendra modi has vowed to nunrsn— narendra modi has vowed to punrsn nonve— narendra modi has vowed to punish anyone responsible. i sorro— punish anyone responsible. i sure runo— punish anyone responsible. i sajid javid nana. 2 sajid javid nana. i am deeply pained. sajid javid nana. i am deeply porneu. n-s— sajid javid nana. i am deeply pained. it's beyond- sajid javid nana. 2 “22 it's beyond sad and very pained. it's beyond sad and very orsrurnrng— pained. it's beyond sad and very orsrurnrng .— pained. it's beyond sad and very disturbing . the— “22 it's beyond sad and very disturbing . the government 22 it's beyond sad and very disturbing . the government will disturbing. the government will reeve— disturbing. the government will reore no— disturbing. the government will leave no stone— disturbing. the government will leave no stone unturned and will provide— leave no stone unturned and will provide me— leave no stone unturned and will provide the best— leave no stone unturned and will provide the best treatment to the provide the best treatment to rne peopre — provide the best treatment to the people who've been injured, the people who've been injured, the relatives— the people who've been injured, the relatives who— the people who've been injured, the relatives who we've lost eon-r— the relatives who we've lost can't come back— the relatives who we've lost can't come back . but the can't come back. but the governmen— can't come back. but the government is- can't come back. but the government is with their ronrues— government is with their families in— government is with their families in this hour of grief. 31 families in this hour of grief. or people— families in this hour of grief. or peopre nove— families in this hour of grief. 31 people have been- families in this hour of grief. 3 “ families in this hour of grief. 31 people have been arrested in connection with plans to disrupt the epsom derby, including one protester who ran on to the track as the race began. actor buddhists from the group animal rising had threatened to cancel the event despite a high court injunction banning them from doing so. the group said they wanted to protect the horses and were willing to put their bodies on the line. they also accused police of heavy handed ness and abusing their powers as a woman

in her 70s has died following a dog attack in warwickshire . the dog attack in warwickshire. the incident took place on kathleen avenue in bedworth yesterday afternoon when a man and a woman have been arrested on suspicion of having a dangerously out—of—control dog and owning a banned breed . and manchester banned breed. and manchester city have beaten manchester united 2—1 to win the fa cup final at wembley. ilkay gundogan scored after 12 seconds. that's the fastest goal in fa cup final history . united's bruno history. united's bruno fernandes equalised scoring a penalty at 33 minutes, but gundogan scored another to restore city's lead in the second half. city is now on course to complete the treble , course to complete the treble, winning the premier league fa cup and champions league in the same season, which takes place next saturday. here's some fan reaction on two out of three, we're going to do the treble. we're going to take it from rnen. — we're going to take it from rnen. oner— we're going to take it from them. after a— we're going to take it from them. after a whole history of

nun— them. after a whole history of hm ,— them. after a whole history of nun , roo— them. after a whole history of nun , roo ood— them. after a whole history of hurt , 100 odd years of them. after a whole history of hurt ,100 odd years of them hurt,100 odd years of them being— hurt,100 odd years of them being on— hurt,100 odd years of them being all over— hurt, 100 odd years of them being all over us. but this this is our— being all over us. but this this is year. — being all over us. but this this is our year. this— being all over us. but this this is our year. this is— being all over us. but this this is our year. this is our time. rrrsr— is our year. this is our time. rrrsr gonn— is our year. this is our time. rrrsr goon rs.— is our year. this is our time. first goal, 15, 13— is our year. this is our time. first goal, 15, 13 seconds. - is our year. this is our time. first goal, 15, 13 seconds. 15 seconds. you know , i've just seconds. you know, i've just lost for words. lost for words, a lost for words. lost for words, u on— lost for words. lost for words, u on oer-eereo— lost for words. lost for words, a bit dejected and— 2 lost for words, a bit dejected and living in sures— a bit dejected and living in cities shattered— a bit dejected and living in cities shattered last 4 or 5 yers— cities shattered last 4 or 5 yes n-s— cities shattered last 4 or 5 years. it's obviously not what we nonn— years. it's obviously not what we won, nur— years. it's obviously not what we want, but probably what's opened.— we want, but probably what's eopeereo. n— we want, but probably what's expected. in all— we want, but probably what's expected. in all in all honesty ,y..h._ expected. in all in all honesty ,yeon. a— expected. in all in all honesty ,yeun. a on— expected. in all in all honesty ,yeun. a on or— expected. in all in all honesty , yeah. a bit of a— expected. in all in all honesty , yeah. a bit of a reality check for unen— , yeah. a bit of a reality check for united. you're— , yeah. a bit of a reality check for united. you're up to date on tv for united. you're up to date on rv onune— for united. you're up to date on tv online dab+_ for united. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and on tune in — tv online dab+ radio and on tune in run— tv online dab+ radio and on tune in run rs— tv online dab+ radio and on tune in run is on— tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news.— tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now- tv online dab+ radio and on tune in. “s c15 \ \r2rwu' in. this is gb news. now it's back to the . back to the. saturday five. it is saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver, and i can- 22; �*" i'm emily carver, and i can promise rnor— emily carver, and i can promise run you— emily carver, and i can promise run you ore— emily carver, and i can promise run you rn— emily carver, and i can promise that you are in for— emily carver, and i can promise that you are in for a very uvery— that you are in for a very uyery noun— that you are in for a very lively hour. so- that you are in for a very lively hour. so let's crack on unn— lively hour. so let's crack on with tonight's— lively hour. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate to non— with tonight's first debate to non rnrngs— with tonight's first debate to kick things off. _ with tonight's first debate to kick things off. c with tonight's first debate to kick things off. c c; 2 kick things off. it's emily, and she's going to tell us what she thinks about the bbc's latest

decision to give teenage tiktok terror a platform. on newsnight . it's terror a platform. on newsnight .wsfime terror a platform. on newsnight . it's time for the carver palaver. it is indeed so . the palaver. it is indeed so. the norner— palaver. it is indeed so. the norner or— palaver. it is indeed so. the mother of tiktok— it is indeed so. the mother of tiktok prankster or the internet's_ mother of tiktok prankster or the internet's favourite iuyenie— the internet's favourite juvenile delinquent, has broken her juvenile delinquent, has broken ner sienee— juvenile delinquent, has broken her silence. she— juvenile delinquent, has broken her silence. she says she's had enougn— her silence. she says she's had enougn or— her silence. she says she's had enougn or us— her silence. she says she's had enough of his antics and does nor— enough of his antics and does nor suppon— enough of his antics and does not support what— enough of his antics and does not support what he's doing now . i not support what he's doing now . r eon-r— not support what he's doing now . i can't comment— not support what he's doing now . i can't comment on her as a perenn— . i can't comment on her as a porenr, nur— . i can't comment on her as a parent our r— . i can't comment on her as a parent, but i think— . i can't comment on her as a parent, but i think we can all agree— parent, but i think we can all agree unn— parent, but i think we can all agree with her— parent, but i think we can all agree with her claim that her neeas ro— agree with her claim that her son needs to get— agree with her claim that her son needs to get a job. kyiv apparenrry— son needs to get a job. kyiv apparently, though, our tax payer— apparently, though, our tax payer runaea— apparently, though, our tax payer funded broadcaster payer funded state broadcaster has payer funded state broadcaster nas-grven— payer funded state broadcaster has-given mizzi- payer funded state broadcaster has-given mizzi a- payer funded state broadcaster has given mizzi a job. has already given mizzi a job. aeeorarna— has already given mizzi a job. aeeorarng ro— has already given mizzi a job. according to a— has already given mizzi a job. according to a rather bizarre earronar— according to a rather bizarre editorial decision by the bbc uensnrgnr— editorial decision by the bbc newsnight team , the tag wearing newsnight team, the tag wearing ennrnar— newsnight team, the tag wearing criminal appears— newsnight team, the tag wearing criminal appears now to be some nne— criminal appears now to be some kind or— criminal appears now to be some kind or sonar— criminal appears now to be some kind of social commentator or represenrarrve— kind of social commentator or representative of— kind of social commentator or representative of diouf, someone the representative of diouf, someone rne nne— representative of diouf, someone rne one nusr— representative of diouf, someone the bbc must think is worth usrenrng— the bbc must think is worth usrenrng ro. — the bbc must think is worth listening to. why else would rney— listening to. why else would rney gue— listening to. why else would rney give nin— listening to. why else would they give him a— listening to. why else would they give him a platform ? what they give him a platform? what a rernnry— they give him a platform? what a rernnry saa— they give him a platform? what a terribly sad indictment of the srare— terribly sad indictment of the srare or— terribly sad indictment of the srare or our— terribly sad indictment of the state of our society . so let's state of our society. so let's nann— state of our society. so let's naren a— state of our society. so let's naren a on— state of our society. so let's watch a bit of— state of our society. so let's watch a bit of this surreal rnrenreu. — watch a bit of this surreal interview. it's- watch a bit of this surreal interview. c 32c interview. it's got that confidence in a way, in a different way. i want to talk to you about some of the things

that has said, and i that andrew tate has said, and i wonder if you think it's problem tactic into with them . tactic to get into with them. so, know, so, for example, you know, things he said, you women things he said, you know, women belong to men on a plane . belong to men on a plane. there's a female pilot. i noficed there's a female pilot. i noticed most women can't even drive . he said, you know, i go drive. he said, you know, i go out and i f somebody. i come home to my woman. that's not cheating. that's exercise. and this last one here, if i caught a woman cheating, it's bang out the machete boom in her face. grip her by the neck. that is hate speak presumably you don't go along with that kind of speak. of course i don't go along with that. i don't look up to along with that. i don't look up ro andrew— along with that. i don't look up to andrew taylor.— along with that. i don't look up to andrew taylor. i— along with that. i don't look up to andrew taylor. i don't- g i don't look up to andrew taylor. i don't think ne-s— to andrew taylor. i don't think ne-s a— to andrew taylor. i don't think ne-s a rote— to andrew taylor. i don't think he's a role model— to andrew taylor. i don't think he's a role model or anything. ana— he's a role model or anything. one r— he's a role model or anything. one r eon-r— he's a role model or anything. and i don't-to- he's a role model or anything. and i don't to nobody. and i don't look up to nobody. i am and i don't look up to nobody. i an my— and i don't look up to nobody. i an my on— and i don't look up to nobody. i am my own person.— and i don't look up to nobody. i am my own person. everyone so as you run— am my own person. everyone so as you just saw— am my own person. everyone so as you just .— am my own person. everyone so as you iusr . ane— am my own person. everyone so as you just saw , the bbc— am my own person. everyone so as you just saw , the bbc is- am my own person. everyone so as you just saw , the bbc is now you just saw, the bbc is now seriously asking a bloke who gets his from trespassing gets his kicks from trespassing into people's homes, intimidating women and targeting orthodox people for orthodox jewish people for clicks. he thinks about clicks. what he thinks about andrew tate, a misogynist who's under house arrest in romania. so so we're supposed to care about what reprobate mizzi,

whose claim to fame is whose only claim to fame is being absolute it seems, being an absolute it seems, thinks about andrew tate. i certainly don't. and judging by missy's body language tone and his responses as he has absolutely no idea why the bbc cares either. let's take a look . no, no, no. that doesn't narrer— . no, no, no. that doesn't narrer ro— . no, no, no. that doesn't matter to me.— no, no, no. that doesn't matter to me. i'm not for here andrew— matter to me. i'm not for here anareu rare. — matter to me. i'm not for here andrew tate. i'm— matter to me. i'm not for here andrew tate. i'm not here to epon— andrew tate. i'm not here to repon andrew— andrew tate. i'm not here to report andrew tate. i'm not here to report andrew tate. i'm not here ro nake— report andrew tate. i'm not here ro make money— report andrew tate. i'm not here to make money out— report andrew tate. i'm not here to make money out of andrew report andrew tate. i'm not here to mrthat's ney out of andrew report andrew tate. i'm not here to mrthat's what ut of andrew report andrew tate. i'm not here to mrthat's what youf andrew report andrew tate. i'm not here to mrthat's what you are drew report andrew tate. i'm not here to mrthat's what you are doing? tate. that's what you are doing? nasreauy.— tate. that's what you are doing? basically..that's_ tate. that's what you are doing? basically. that's what realistically, that's what youre— realistically, that's what you-re-uo- realistically, that's what you're no but. realistically, that's what. you're-no but. no, realistically, that's what- you're-no but. no, but you're doing. no but. no, but nur— you're doing. no but. no, but no, no, but yeah, i. well, there you're doing. no but. no, but no, go. jt yeah, i. well, there you're doing. no but. no, but no, go. it yeah, i. well, there you're doing. no but. no, but no, go. it wasi, i. well, there you're doing. no but. \2 32, it was badni2cc c“r2”2 you're doing. no but. \2 32 it was bad enoughfi2 you're doing. no but. \2 32, it was bad enough when you go. it was bad enough when mens— you go. it was bad enough when piers-gave— you go. it was bad enough when piers-gave me- 32, it was bad enough when piers gave the teenage piers morgan gave the teenage road—rus— piers morgan gave the teenage toad—it's doubly. piers morgan gave the teenage toad it's doubly bad piers morgan gave the teenage toad it's it's doubly bad piers morgan gave the teenage toad it's our it's doubly bad piers morgan gave the teenage toad it's our state s doubly bad piers morgan gave the teenage toad it's our state broadcaster, when it's our state broadcaster, nne.— when it's our state broadcaster, nne—supposed- when it's our state broadcaster, nne—supposed roi when it's our state broadcaster,- bbc._supposed to be bbc. newsnight is supposed to be the bbc. newsnight is supposed to be rne—rnar— bbc. newsnight is supposed to be the—that makes- the type of show that makes pounerans— the type of show that makes politicians quiver, puts experts to politicians quiver, puts experts ro-asks— politicians quiver, puts experts ro-asks me- politicians quiver, puts experts to asks the biggest to task and asks the biggest quesrrons— to task and asks the biggest quesrrons or— to task and asks the biggest questions of the— to task and asks the biggest questions of the day. is anyone keeping— questions of the day. is anyone keeping maske— questions of the day. is anyone keeping track? in— questions of the day. is anyone keeping track? in my book? this has keeping track? in my book? this nas gor— keeping track? in my book? this nas gor ro— keeping track? in my book? this nas gor ro ne— keeping track? in my book? this nas gor ro be a— keeping track? in my book? this has got to be a new low for the nroaaeasrer. — has got to be a new low for the broadcaster. well— has got to be a new low for the broadcaster. well there we go to my nonaenur— broadcaster. well there we go to my wonderful panel . let's start my wonderful panel. let's start off my wonderful panel. let's start on ny— my wonderful panel. let's start on by asmna— my wonderful panel. let's start on by asmng ,— my wonderful panel. let's start off by asking , why do you think off by asking, why do you think the off by asking, why do you think me one— off by asking, why do you think me one are— off by asking, why do you think the bbc did this?— off by asking, why do you think the bbc did this? dara i think it's the bbc did this? dara i think its aoruauy— the bbc did this? dara i think it's actually really dangerous that it's actually given people an incentive to do what messi

did because actually they think, oh, i'll get on bbc newsnight. that's canny. mother will be very proud of me if i do that. i think ultimately the bbc are trying to appeal to a younger audience and they think by getting someone that's had success, i can use that word success, if i can use that word on tiktok , that actually they'll on tiktok, that actually they'll cater to a brand new audience when actually they're just making themselves look like total. making themselves look like total . if i can say what's the total. if i can say what's the value of it? i mean, you might as neu— value of it? i mean, you might as near iusr— value of it? i mean, you might as well just do— value of it? i mean, you might as well just do a— value of it? i mean, you might as well just do a show- c?’ i mean, you might as well just do a show where you ask-ro— as well just do a show where you ask-ro ao— as well just do a show where you ask-ro do a— as well just do a show where you ask-to do a sudoku.- ask a pigeon to do a sudoku. i unar-s— ask a pigeon to do a sudoku. i mean, what's the _ ask a pigeon to do a sudoku. i mean, what's the what's the norm— mean, what's the what's the pornr-reauye- mean, what's the what's the point really? mean, up mean, what's the what's the pointis really? mean, up mean, what's the what's the pointis missy's ly? mean, up mean, what's the what's the pointis missy's view mean, up mean, what's the what's the pointis missy's view on an, up mean, what's the what's the pointis missy's view on the up mean, what's the what's the pointis missy's view on the iraq next is missy's view on the iraq r— next is missy's view on the iraq r uno— next is missy's view on the iraq war. i mean, who cares? i mean, we near— war. i mean, who cares? i mean, we near every— war. i mean, who cares? i mean, we hear every minutes, but we hear every two minutes, but we hear every two minutes, but ne—senree- we need public service broadcasting. we need public service- broadcasting. -is this public broadcasting. how is this public service broadcasting not going to wasn't as you say, to say he wasn't as you say, piers morgan did well. i piers morgan did it as well. i mean, ratings, mean, terrestrial ratings, panreurany— mean, terrestrial ratings, particularly bbc , are particularly the bbc, are rraggmg— particularly the bbc, are. flagging—there flagging it, but aren't there as men— flagging it, but aren't there as near-rm.— flagging it, but aren't there as neulrrv. r— flagging it, but aren't there as well-itv. i mean,- flagging it, but aren't there as well itv. i mean, there's well as itv. i mean, there's iusr— well as itv. i mean, there's iusr snook— well as itv. i mean, there's just shock value,- well as itv. i mean, there's just shock value, that's just shock value, surely that's all just shock value, surely that's arr-nur— just shock value, surely that's arr-our uo — just shock value, surely that's arr-our no you- just shock value, surely that's all-but do you find- just shock value, surely that's all-but do you find it. all it is. but do you find it depressing, aaron, that it is our that is our state broadcaster that is doing no one cares what, doing this? no one cares what, you privately you know, privately owned companies to broadcast, companies choose to broadcast, but this is something we all pay

into. is it supposed to have higher standards ? i think it's higher standards? i think it's meant higher standards? i think it's meanr ro— higher standards? i think it's meant to have— higher standards? i think it's meant to have higher- “ 2x2” 22“ i think it's meant to have higher standards “ g“2” 22“ i think it's meant to have higher standards . meant to have higher standards. onen— meant to have higher standards. omen n— meant to have higher standards. often it falls— meant to have higher standards. often it falls short, but i noura— often it falls short, but i noura-or— often it falls short, but i would-of back- often it falls short, but i would of back up what would sort of back up what nanen— would sort of back up what darren said— would sort of back up what darren said a— would sort of back up what darren said a moment ago and add one darren said a moment ago and add ammo,— darren said a moment ago and add one more thing, which it tells me— one more thing, which it tells me-nas— one more thing, which it tells me-nas a— one more thing, which it tells me-has a real- one more thing, which it tells me has a real lack of me the bbc has a real lack of confidence— me the bbc has a real lack of confidence in— me the bbc has a real lack of confidence in the— me the bbc has a real lack of confidence in the kinds of rnrnas— confidence in the kinds of rnrngs rney— confidence in the kinds of things they need to be reporting on ana— things they need to be reporting on and non— things they need to be reporting on and how how— things they need to be reporting on and how how when dealing with the on and how how when dealing with rne—rney- on and how how when dealing with rne—rney thinkl the younger audience, they think tick the younger audience, they think non—or- tick tock, young guy loads of errors— tick tock, young guy loads of clicks, loads— tick tock, young guy loads of clicks, loads of— tick tock, young guy loads of clicks, loads of attention. we snoura— clicks, loads of attention. we snoura ne— clicks, loads of attention. we should be talking about it. urem— should be talking about it. men-r— should be talking about it. well,-i-that- should be talking about it. well, i that shows well, no, i think that shows rearry— well, no, i think that shows rearry a— well, no, i think that shows really a lack— well, no, i think that shows really a lack of.— well, no, i think that shows really a lack of. yeah, strength in really a lack of. yeah, strength is merr— really a lack of. yeah, strength in their editorial— really a lack of. yeah, strength in their editorial decisions and commence— in their editorial decisions and confidence-now,— in their editorial decisions and- confidence-now,-claire confidence. now, baroness claire fox, if any of you fox, i don't know if any of you saw, tweeted out earlier saw, but she tweeted out earlier today or yesterday whenever this interview came out, she tweeted that he was mocking the bbc . and that he was mocking the bbc. and that's exactly how it appeared from the way he had his knee up against the table, from the way he was looking around from the way saying, why you way he was saying, why are you asking he was asking me this? yeah, he was mocking our public broadcaster, which is an absolute shame, not only to the broadcaster , but to only to the broadcaster, but to the country. yeah, it the country. yeah, well, it makes— the country. yeah, well, it makes _totallyi makes them look totally oarnerre. — makes them look totally pathetic-his. makes them look totally- pathetic. -his mother, pathetic. and even his mother, rnougn— pathetic. and even his mother,|

rnougn—saru though, has come out and said, i iusr— though, has come out and said, i iusr-nrm— though, has come out and said, i iusr-nrmlger— though, has come out and said, i iusr-nrmlgerlion.- just want him to get a job. mam. — just want him to get a job. mom. mayne— just want him to get a job. right. maybe he can be a runner at right. maybe he can be a runner ar me— right. maybe he can be a runner ar me one.— right. maybe he can be a runner ar me one. my— right. maybe he can be a runner at the bbc. my mum said that aeruauy— at the bbc. my mum said that actually about— at the bbc. my mum said that actually about me. it cc actually about me. mine still uses.— actually about me. mine still uses. ro— actually about me. mine still does, to be fair. but. actually about me. it cc 2 ” but. but but does, to be fair. but. but but unn— does, to be fair. but. but but man mar,— does, to be fair. but. but but man mar, r— does, to be fair. but. but but with that, i think— does, to be fair. but. but but with that, i think this- 2 ” but. but but with that, i think this guy has snowm— with that, i think this guy has shown absolutely no remorse uasoevennr— shown absolutely no remorse whatsoever, pretty much apart mom— whatsoever, pretty much apart mom-mne— whatsoever, pretty much apart from -kind lcack- whatsoever, pretty much apart from kind cack handed from some kind of cack handed aporogy. — from some kind of cack handed aporogy. -rs— from some kind of cack handed apology. is obviously apology. but he is obviously going— apology. but he is obviously gong—ro- apology. but he is obviously going—ro ao- apology. but he is obviously. going—to do things apology. but he is obviously goinbehave to do things apology. but he is obviously goinbehave in to do things apology. but he is obviously goinbehave in a to do things apology. but he is obviously goinbehave in a way do things apology. but he is obviously goinbehave in a way thatiings apology. but he is obviously goinbehave in a way that isgs and behave in a way that is money— and behave in a way that is morally reprehensive and morally reprehensive rebel. and this morally reprehensive rebel. and ans-ms— morally reprehensive rebel. and rnrs-nrs-ao- this is feeding his ego. i do mink— this is feeding his ego. i do think genuinely— this is feeding his ego. i do think genuinely that he does rearry— think genuinely that he does really believe— think genuinely that he does really believe that he has got rnrs— really believe that he has got this movement— really believe that he has got this movement and that he is doing— this movement and that he is doing something— this movement and that he is doing something rather special . doing something rather special. and doing something rather special. me so— doing something rather special. one so u— doing something rather special. one so if you— doing something rather special. and so if you then— doing something rather special. and so if you then get him on urwsuronn— and so if you then get him on newsnight, to newsnight, which is supposed to be newsnight, which is supposed to roe—mou— newsnight, which is supposed to roe—mow snou- newsnight, which is supposed to be_brow show and- newsnight, which is supposed to be brow show and you be a very high brow show and you men—mm — be a very high brow show and you then—him views- be a very high brow show and you then—him views on. then start asking him views on urwsurenr— then start asking him views on newsnight, newsnight's ratings have plummeting for years and yeas— have plummeting for years and years,-validated- have plummeting for years and years, validated him. years, but you validated him. ana— years, but you validated him. analne-s— years, but you validated him. andlhe's going— years, but you validated him. and he's going to keep and so he's going to keep doing it. and so he's going to keep doing rn—rr-s— and so he's going to keep doing rn—rr-s nasre- it. he thinks if it's basic renam— it. he thinks if it's basic reward action,- it. he thinks if it's basic reward action, isn't it like unen— reward action, isn't it like nnen you— reward action, isn't it like when you give- reward action, isn't it like when you give a dog treat, when you give a dog a treat, nonre— when you give a dog a treat, name-doma- when you give a dog a treat, right? doing this, right? if i keep doing this, i get—i- right? if i keep doing this, i oer—r rnmkl right? if i keep doing this, ij get—i think he right? if i keep doing this, i- get_| think he came get this reward. i think he came across terribly. i've looked at the tweets below. there was hardly anyone support . it hardly anyone in support. it almost outed him as being a bit of i don't of a fool, and i don't think that did. it paints of a fool, and i don't think tiforecast did. it paints of a fool, and i don't think tiforecast of did. it paints of a fool, and i don't think tiforecast of a did. it paints of a fool, and i don't think tiforecast of a badi. it paints of a fool, and i don't think tiforecast of a bad life,)aints of a fool, and i don't think tiforecast of a bad life, yes,s a forecast of a bad life, yes, but it also he's the one he's the loser out of it all. is he

but it also he's the one he's the lot0' out of it all. is he but it also he's the one he's the lo to get of it all. is he but it also he's the one he's the loto get outit all. is he but it also he's the one he's the loto get out ofill. is he but it also he's the one he's the loto get out of it. is he but it also he's the one he's the loto get out of it long; going to get out of it long term, do you not think if the bbc had on at and bbc had had him on at and essentially made him look by essentially made him look bad by asking pertinent questions, has that silly? that made him look silly? instead, genuinely instead, they actually genuinely asked— instead, they actually genuinely askea nrm — instead, they actually genuinely asked him opinion on. but asked him his opinion on. but anar— asked him his opinion on. but rnar nas— asked him his opinion on. but that was enough.— asked him his opinion on. but that was enough. andrew tate and his that was enough. andrew tate and ms onrnron— that was enough. andrew tate and ms oornronluny— that was enough. andrew tate and his opinion why young men his opinion on why young men rook— his opinion on why young men took up— his opinion on why young men took up ro— his opinion on why young men look up to people— his opinion on why young men look up to people like andrew rare.— look up to people like andrew rare. wny— look up to people like andrew tate. why should— look up to people like andrew tate. why should we care for it? was— tate. why should we care for it? was giving— tate. why should we care for it? was giving mm— tate. why should we care for it? was giving him enough- tate. why should we care for it? was giving him enough rope. it was to give him enough rope situation? no. but she asked. he looks foolish questions. doesn't matter. think doesn't matter. i don't think so—uas- doesn't matter. i don't think. so—nas rryrng so. i think the bbc was trying to so. i think the bbc was trying ro-rn— so. i think the bbc was trying ro-rn rouen— so. i think the bbc was trying to-in touch with- so. i think the bbc was trying to in touch with young to look in touch with young peopler— to look in touch with young moors-aer- to look in touch with young people, get young people, trying to get young peopre— people, trying to get young peopre-ana- people, trying to get young- people -andlactually people watching. and i actually mink— people watching. and i actually mink-mem— people watching. and i actually think-them look- people watching. and i actually think them look very, think it makes them look very, very— think it makes them look very, very-rouen— think it makes them look very, very-touchlthink- think it makes them look very, very touch think that very out of touch to think that rnrs— very out of touch to think that this-represents— very out of touch to think that this represents youth this boy represents kent's youth , ra— this boy represents kent's youth , no say— this boy represents kent's youth , no say sorry. — this boy represents kent's youth , no say sorry. oo— this boy represents kent's youth , i'd say sorry. c2 22“ no, , i'd say sorry. go on. no, i iusr— , i'd say sorry. go on. no, i iusr gong— , i'd say sorry. go on. no, i was just going to— , i'd say sorry. c2 22“ no, i was just going to say, emily, do you— was just going to say, emily, do you mink— was just going to say, emily, do you think there's— was just going to say, emily, do you think there's currency you think there's any currency or—nnc- you think there's any currency or—nnc for- you think there's any currencyi or_ bbc for having or credit to the bbc for having mar— or credit to the bbc for having that conversation,— or credit to the bbc for having that conversation, do or credit to the bbc for having thatthinkzrsation, do or credit to the bbc for having thatthink people, do or credit to the bbc for having thatthink people should do or credit to the bbc for having thatthink people should be )o you think people should be asking,— you think people should be asmng, uny— you think people should be asmng, nny ao— you think people should be asking, why do so many young peonre— asking, why do so many young peopre-anaren— asking, why do so many young people andrew not asking people like andrew t not asking inun— people like andrew t not asking mun-mars- people like andrew t not asking mizzi, -that's exactly. i mizzi, though? that's exactly. it's hugely important question mizzi, though? that's exactly. it's ithugely important question mizzi, though? that's exactly. it's it was ly important question mizzi, though? that's exactly. it's it was justiportant question mizzi, though? that's exactly. it's it was just bizarret question mizzi, though? that's exactly. it's it was just bizarre seeing on and it was just bizarre seeing kirsty wark ask mizzi about andrew tate you think this andrew tate and you think this is an operation and it was a feminist sat on the other side.

covid i didn't hear a peep from ner— covid i didn't hear a peep from men unar— covid i didn't hear a peep from men wnar sne— covid i didn't hear a peep from her. what she didn't get any. sorry,— her. what she didn't get any. sorry, rer— her. what she didn't get any. sorry, am you— her. what she didn't get any. sorry, let you finish your sentence . no,- sorry, let you finish your sentence . no, no, no. sorry, let you finish your- sentence . no, no, no. but there sentence. no, no, no. but there is there are serious questions. i think for mizzi. there is mere— i think for mizzi. there is mere rs— i think for mizzi. there is mere is a— i think for mizzi. there is there is a commentary to be had anour— there is a commentary to be had about disaffected— there is a commentary to be had about disaffected youth of the day ana— about disaffected youth of the day and non— about disaffected youth of the day and how we— about disaffected youth of the day and how we handle handle mem— day and how we handle handle rnem ana— day and how we handle handle them and infantilize them and men— them and infantilize them and men promore— them and infantilize them and then promote them. 2/222“ them and infantilize them and then promote them. / then promote them. yeah, well, reare— then promote them. yeah, well, reare mar— then promote them. yeah, well, leave that one there. shocking yes, indeed. next, though , yes, indeed. up next, though, there's nothing more in there's nothing more certain in life death and but life than death and taxes, but should there be taxes after death ? it's time for mcgee's death? it's time for mcgee's meltdown . death? it's time for mcgee's meltdown. take death? it's time for mcgee's meltdown . take it away. oh, we meltdown. take it away. oh, we do u— meltdown. take it away. oh, we do u no— meltdown. take it away. oh, we do u sorry.— meltdown. take it away. oh, we do it now. sorry. i— 2 take it away. oh, we do it now. sorry. i thought we 90mg— do it now. sorry. i thought we gorng ro— do it now. sorry. i thought we were going to break. i do aporogrse.— were going to break. i do apologise. well, look, i think rye— apologise. well, look, i think rye-ns— apologise. well, look, i think i've its inheritance tax i've just. its inheritance tax is sure. — i've just. its inheritance tax rs ourre. n-s— i've just. its inheritance tax is quite. it's in— i've just. its inheritance tax is quite. it's in the news this week,— is quite. it's in the news this week, rne— is quite. it's in the news this week, the daily— is quite. it's in the news this week, the daily telegraph have raunenea— week, the daily telegraph have launched campaign try and launched a campaign to try and anousn— launched a campaign to try and anousn n— launched a campaign to try and abolish it completely. we look at abolish it completely. we look ar eaamnres— abolish it completely. we look at examples in— abolish it completely. we look at examples in sweden 20 years ago,— at examples in sweden 20 years ago, rney— at examples in sweden 20 years ago, they decided— at examples in sweden 20 years ago, they decided to abolish it arrogerner. — ago, they decided to abolish it arrogerner. n— ago, they decided to abolish it altogether. it had— ago, they decided to abolish it altogether. it had been coming down— altogether. it had been coming down incrementally year on year sne— down incrementally year on year me— down incrementally year on year rne sne— down incrementally year on year since the since the— down incrementally year on year since the since the 1980s. they got since the since the 1980s. they tor-evenruauy- got rid of it eventually in zoos. — got rid of it eventually in- 2004. _economists in

2004. academics, economists in scandinavia— 2004. academics, economists in scandinavia believe that aeruauy— scandinavia believe that actually improved productivity, proauenyrry— actually improved productivity, productivity and _ actually improved productivity, productivity and it loosened the mne— productivity and it loosened the kind or— productivity and it loosened the kind or some— productivity and it loosened the kind of some of— productivity and it loosened the kind of some of some of the it. wnar-s— kind of some of some of the it. was me— kind of some of some of the it. what's the best— kind of some of some of the it. what's the best way to describe it? what's the best way to describe no some — what's the best way to describe no some or— what's the best way to describe it? some of the— what's the best way to describe it? some of the people in or or— it? some of the people in or or me— it? some of the people in or some of the population reported rarer— some of the population reported rarer on— some of the population reported rarer on mar— some of the population reported later on that it— some of the population reported later on that it was good for merr— later on that it was good for their expenditure it allowed rnem — their expenditure it allowed rnem ro— their expenditure it allowed them to spend— their expenditure it allowed them to spend money on other nnonnes—sol priorities in the country. so i mink— priorities in the country. so i rnrnk mar— priorities in the country. so i think that i've— priorities in the country. so i think that i've had this situation— think that i've had this situation myself . i'm speaking situation myself. i'm speaking mom— situation myself. i'm speaking from personal— situation myself. i'm speaking from personal experience. i had my farmer— from personal experience. i had my father died— from personal experience. i had my father died two years ago and so rye— my father died two years ago and so he been— my father died two years ago and so i've been hit— my father died two years ago and so i've been hit with inheritance - so i've been hit with inheritance tax quite badly. i iusr— inheritance tax quite badly. i iusr mink— inheritance tax quite badly. i just think with— inheritance tax quite badly. i just think with all the taxes mar— just think with all the taxes that-pava— just think with all the taxes that.pay,.think- just think with all the taxes that pay, think about that we pay, we think about rnrngs— that we pay, we think about things-income- that we pay, we think about things income tax. we've things like income tax. we've got things like income tax. we've tor—rake- things like income tax. we'vei tor—rake got the highest tax take we've nao— got the highest tax take we've me me— got the highest tax take we've had the highest— got the highest tax take we've had the highest tax burden we've had the highest tax burden we've naa m— had the highest tax burden we've me is 70— had the highest tax burden we've me is 70 yeas— had the highest tax burden we've had in 70 years. there's income tax,— had in 70 years. there's income ax, var— had in 70 years. there's income ax, var ar— had in 70 years. there's income ax, var ar 20. — had in 70 years. there's income tax, vat at 20. that's been that-s— tax, vat at 20. that's been that's risen— tax, vat at 20. that's been that's risen over- tax, vat at 20. that's been that's risen over my lifetime. it was— that's risen over my lifetime. it 150/0— that's risen over my lifetime. it was 15% back— that's risen over my lifetime. it was 15% back the early it was 15% back in the early 90s. — it was 15% back in the early 90s. -to— it was 15% back in the early 90s. -to zo- it was 15% back in the early 90s.-t0 20 now.- it was 15% back in the early 90s. to 20 now. there's 90s. it's up to 20 now. there's talk— 90s. it's up to 20 now. there's talk-n— 90s. it's up to 20 now. there's talk-n might— 90s. it's up to 20 now. there's talk-it might even- 90s. it's up to 20 now. there's talk it might even up talk that it might even go up even further— talk that it might even go up even further stamp duty. i think islvery_ even further stamp duty. i think islvery unfair— even further stamp duty. i think islvery unfair tax.— even further stamp duty. i think islvery unfairtax. i- even further stamp duty. i think is very unfairtax. i can't is a very unfair tax. i can't think— is a very unfair tax. i can't think of— is a very unfair tax. i can't think of many— is a very unfair tax. i can't think of many other countries in is a very unfair tax. i can't thinwestern 1y other countries in is a very unfair tax. i can't thinwestern worldzr countries in is a very unfair tax. i can't thinwestern world where tries in is a very unfair tax. i can't thinwestern world where you in the western world where you uterauy— the western world where you literally have— the western world where you literally have pay find literally have to pay or find money— literally have to pay or find money-buy— literally have to pay or find moneylbuv-il money to buy a house. i appreciate— money to buy a house. i appreciate that. in other cultures,— appreciate that. in other cultures, house building or house— cultures, house building or house ownership quite house ownership isn't quite as prevalent—ml prevalent as it is here, but it does—unfair. -

prevalent as it is here, but it- does_unfair. -then does seem very unfair. and then of course, right— does seem very unfair. and then of course, right at— does seem very unfair. and then of course, right at the end when you-e— of course, right at the end when you-o mo— of course, right at the end when you or our— of course, right at the end when you're hit with a— of course, right at the end when you're hit with a pot, you're refr— you're hit with a pot, you're rorr-oor— you're hit with a pot, you're rorr-oor onu- you're hit with a pot, you're left pot and then left with a pot and then ouoooury— left with a pot and theni ouoooury—ro left with a pot and then- suddenly_to 40. suddenly it's hit by up to 40. yes— suddenly it's hit by up to 40. you more— suddenly it's hit by up to 40. yes, there are— suddenly it's hit by up to 40. yes, there are boundaries at rumor— yes, there are boundaries at rumor-corr— yes, there are boundaries at which-can keep- yes, there are boundaries at which can keep keep some of which you can keep keep some of your— which you can keep keep some of your your.— which you can keep keep some of your wealth. but— which you can keep keep some of your wealth. but i— which you can keep keep some of your wealth. but i also think it someo— your wealth. but i also think it stifles ambition. _ your wealth. but i also think it stifles ambition. some people don-r— stifles ambition. some peoplei uou-r—ruorr don't necessarily work all their life don't necessarily work all their rue—your- don't necessarily work all their life _wealth to i life and accumulate wealth to buy—a— life and accumulate wealth to buy—o rou- life and accumulate wealth to buy—a new house.| buy bentley or a new house. somorrmoo— buy bentley or a new house. sometimes-do- buy bentley or a new house. sometimes-do it- buy bentley or a new house. sometimes do it for the sometimes they do it for the borrormour— sometimes they do it for the betterment of _ sometimes they do it for the betterment of their and betterment of their children and rheu— betterment of their children and their—whereas- their grandchildren, whereas the ruoourrvo— their grandchildren, whereas the incentive _that. their grandchildren, whereas the incentive _that ifi incentive for them to do that if all incentive for them to do that if arr-know— incentive for them to do that if arr-kuoulruo- incentive for them to do that if all- know-the -of i incentive for them to do that if all-knowlthe -of it,| all they know at the end of it, or-uovo— all they know at the end of it, or-uovo ro— all they know at the end of it, or- have to come- all they know at the end of it, or-have to come at- all they know at the end of it, or have to come at the end or they have to come at the end of or they have to come at the end or ru— or they have to come at the end or u, ro— or they have to come at the end or u, is our— or they have to come at the end of it, is that it's— or they have to come at the end of it, is that it's going to be roxoo— of it, is that it's going to be taxedlthe_ of it, is that it's going to be taxed lthe -and- of it, is that it's going to be taxed lthe -and i- of it, is that it's going to be taxed the and i think taxed to the hilt. and i think rr-o— taxed to the hilt. and i think rr-o-uurorr. — taxed to the hilt. and i think it's-unfair. i- taxed to the hilt. and i think it's unfair. i think it's it's deeply unfair. i think it's rime— it's deeply unfair. i think it's time-abolish— it's deeply unfair. i think it's time abolish altogether. time to abolish it altogether. i oooroororo— time to abolish it altogether. i oooroororo-oro- appreciate that there are orgumouro— appreciate that there are arguments contrary. appreciate that there are- arguments-contrary. and arguments to the contrary. and i arso— arguments to the contrary. and i oroo-uoru— arguments to the contrary. and i oroo-uoru ruoy- also say as well, they only ooruouy— also say as well, they only actually—aboutl also say as well, they only- actually_about 0.5% actually account for about 0.5% of actually account for about 0.5% or-govorumour- actually account for about 0.5%. of-government-so of overall government income. so it's of overall government income. so us nor— of overall government income. so us nor oxoorry— of overall government income. so it's not exactly making a big ouroou— it's not exactly making a big splash—sheeti splash on the balance sheet error.— splash on the balance sheet orrrror. um.— splash on the balance sheet either. hm. that's a really good porno. — either. hm. that's a really good oorur. wrou— either. hm. that's a really good room. when you— either. hm. that's a really good point. when you _the. either. hm. that's a really good. point. when you _the point point. when you made the point about buying bentleys and about people buying bentleys and things, incentivise things, it does incentivise people spend frivolously people to just spend frivolously early in their final years or throughout their lives rather than actually save. i think it's better that money some people might that it's better might think that it's better that their hard that their money, their hard earned to their earned cash goes to their children or their grandchildren

rather on swanky car. but rather than on a swanky car. but you get for your money if you get more for your money if you get more for your money if you true. but then i you don't. yeah true. but then i guesslsuppose_ you don't. yeah true. but then i guesslsuppose the— o?" c “43?" but then i guess suppose the counter guess i suppose the counter orgumouro— guess i suppose the counter arguments at arguments that would be that at reaso— arguments that would be that at rooor wrou— arguments that would be that at least when you're _ arguments that would be that at least when you're spending rouoroo— least when you're spending towards the— least when you're spending towards the end of your life, you—sorro- you are creating some kind of your.— you are creating some kind of wealth-know,— you are creating some kind of wealth. know, you moving wealth. you know, you are moving money— wealth. you know, you are movingj money—roars money around the economy that's been— money around the economy that's boon—onu— money around the economy that's boon—our ogorru- money around the economy that's been—and again, but. money around the economy that's beenmoney and again, but money around the economy that's beenmoney is and again, but money around the economy that's beenmoney is taxedd again, but money around the economy that's beenmoney is taxed againn, but money around the economy that's beenmoney is taxed again and|t your money is taxed again and again— your money is taxed again and again onu— your money is taxed again and ogoru and again— your money is taxed again and again and again throughout your life. again and again throughout your me. -you— again and again throughout your uro-you know,- again and again throughout your life. you know, you pay life. i mean, you know, you pay tax life. i mean, you know, you pay ray—mucu- tax in all pretty much oyoryrrrrrg— tax in all pretty much everything know how everything you do. you know how it everything you do. you know how rr-vou— everything you do. you know how rr-vou know,- everything you do. you know how it-you know, you- it all works. you know, you our-r— it all works. you know, you corn-work- it all works. you know, you can't-work any- it all works. you know, you can't work any other way, can't really work any other way, but can't really work any other way, our ro— can't really work any other way, our rr r-uor— can't really work any other way, but it just seems— can't really work any other way, but it just seems unfair at the our.— but it just seems unfair at the error-gor— but it just seems unfair at the error-goo uro- but it just seems unfair at the end.-got this pot- but it just seems unfair at the end. got this pot you've end. you've got this pot you've been— been working for. you might have proury— been working for. you might have merry—mum- plenty of children, you might rove— plenty of children, you might have—mightl plenty of children, you might- have_might have have no children, you might have orrror— have no children, you might have orrror-vou— have no children, you might have other-you might- have no children, you might have other you might give other priorities. you might give it other priorities. you might give rr ro— other priorities. you might give rr ro your— other priorities. you might give rr ro your-your— other priorities. you might give it to your your relatives it to your to your relatives or borrorooo— it to your to your relatives or- battersea_something it to your to your relatives or- battersea but-something it to your to your relatives or battersea but you something it to your to your relatives or battersea but you should;omething it to your to your relatives or battersea but you should be ething like that. but you should be ououoo— like that. but you should be ououoo ro— like that. but you should be allowed to do— like that. but you should be allowed to do that without it being— allowed to do that without it burg-rho - allowed to do that without it. oorug-rro-rr. r being taxed at the end of it. i rho— being taxed at the end of it. i mean, the stealth— being taxed at the end of it. i mean, the stealth tax- being taxed at the end of it. i mean, the stealth tax nature as well, though, of saying we're going to keep thresholds as going to keep the thresholds as they say someone bought going to keep the thresholds as tiproperty say someone bought going to keep the thresholds as tiproperty undersomeone bought going to keep the thresholds as tiproperty under margaret bought a property under margaret thatcher's the thatcher's right to buy in the early 80s, property worth early 80s, property is now worth a than it was a lot more money than it was back in the day and inflation is going up and going up and up and up. and thanks part to the thanks in large part to the lockdowns all endured lockdowns that we all endured and to people, and we're saying to people, you're actually a wealthy you're not actually a wealthy person, but not going to

person, but we're not going to let on that property. let you pass on that property. actually going ensure actually we're going to ensure that family is going that your family is going through the heartache of losing . you to then go through . you have to then go through the administration and fear of selling the property and losing that money. there's also from an emotional point of view, and i experienced it myself, it's the awkward conversations that you have to have with loved ones . have to have with loved ones. you know, my dad, it's very orrrrouu— you know, my dad, it's very difficult for— you know, my dad, it's very difficult for my— you know, my dad, it's very difficult for my dad. had difficult for my dad. he had alzheimer's—we| difficult for my dad. he had- alzheimer's_we had we alzheimer's. you know, we had we hadltickin9_ alzheimer's. you know, we had we hadlticking time— alzheimer's. you know, we had we had ticking time bomb to kind had a ticking time bomb to kind of-conversation- had a ticking time bomb to kind of-conversation out- of get the conversation out before— of get the conversation out before-rou— of get the conversation out before lost mind, before he lost his mind, effectively. _ effectively. sorry to have to say— effectively. sorry to have to say-way, _ effectively. sorry to have to soy-way, our- effectively. sorry to have to say way, but that's how say it that way, but that's how it — say it that way, but that's how it auo — say it that way, but that's how it out so— say it that way, but that's how it was. and so many people have riot.— it was. and so many people have thou—r— it was. and so many people havej rtor.—r-oroooory that. you know, i would probably like that. you know, i would probably rite—someone- that. you know, i would probably like—someone if- that. you know, i would probably like—someone if i- like it myself if someone if i rou— like it myself if someone if i tort-wore— like it myself if someone if i felt-were trying- like it myself if someone if i felt were trying to felt my kids were trying to attack— felt my kids were trying to- attack—probably attack my wealth, i'd probably be attack my wealth, i'd probably too—recoil be like, absolutely. i'd recoil a be like, absolutely. i'd recoil o-ouu— be like, absolutely. i'd recoil o-ouo ru- be like, absolutely. i'd recoil o-ouo to you- be like, absolutely. i'd recoil a and i'd you know, a little bit and i'd you know, it a little bit and i'd you know, rr-orooroo— a little bit and i'd you know, it-creates tension- it just creates tension in torturou— it just creates tension in families as— it just creates tension in families as-so- it just creates tension in families as so much. it just creates tension in- families as-so much. so families as well. so much. so much.— families as well. so much. so mucu-rr— families as well. so much. so much.-it make- families as well. so much. so much. it make things more much. does it make things more equal much. does it make things more equal, think equal, aaron, though? i think there's there's equal, aaron, though? i think there'slthere's a— equal, aaron, though? i think there'slthere's a strong- there's a there's a strong arguments— there's a there's a strong arguments for- there's a there's a strong arguments for and against. i disagree— arguments for and against. i disagree with— arguments for and against. i disagree with some core disagree with some of the core promises— premises there. so, for rurouoo— premises there. so, for instance,-7%- premises there. so, for instance, 7% of the premises there. so, for- instance,-7% of the country instance, only 7% of the country pays— instance, only 7% of the country pays uro— instance, only 7% of the country pays this too. — instance, only 7% of the country pays this tax. and— instance, only 7% of the country pays this tax. and you said about— pays this tax. and you said about-stuff- pays this tax. and you said. about-stuff-end pays this tax. and you said- about-stuff-end of about buying stuff at the end of your— about buying stuff at the end of your uro— about buying stuff at the end of your me. you— about buying stuff at the end of your life. you obviously pay vat on your life. you obviously pay vat ou—so— your life. you obviously pay vat ou—so you-ro- your life. you obviously pay vat on so you're looking your life. you obviously pay vat on20% so you're looking your life. you obviously pay vat on20% there so you're looking your life. you obviously pay vat on20% there as) you're looking your life. you obviously pay vat on 20% there as well. re looking your life. you obviously pay vat on 20% there as well. so ooking

your life. you obviously pay vat on20% there as well. so ioking your life. you obviously pay vat on20% there as well. so i think at 20% there as well. so i think thor— at 20% there as well. so i think our error— at 20% there as well. so i think that either or— at 20% there as well. so i think that either or doesn't quite work. — that either or doesn't quite- work. _ sympathetic work. and i'm very sympathetic to somebody— work. and i'm very sympathetic to somebody inherits house to somebody who inherits a house worri— to somebody who inherits a house worth-7— to somebody who inherits a house worth-7 or— to somebody who inherits a house worth 7 or £800,000. i am to somebody who inherits a house wortisympathetic 800,000. i am to somebody who inherits a house wortisympathetic to 0,000. i am to somebody who inherits a house wortisympathetic to that,i. i am to somebody who inherits a house wortisympathetic to that, thatm very sympathetic to that, that you— very sympathetic to that, that you-trove— very sympathetic to that, that you-trove ro- very sympathetic to that, that you-trove to pay- you shouldn't have to pay inheritance. _ you shouldn't have to pay inheritance. " inheritance. this is part of the problem which most problem as well, which is most people not people of course, it's not raising sorry, raising the most money. sorry, sorry but i was sorry to interrupt, but i was just that the problem is just saying that the problem is that boundaries little that the boundaries are a little bit little bit out bit thresholds, a little bit out of well. so the 325 per of date as well. so the 325 per parent threshold was put in in when that? so since when was that? 2009. so since then we've had property prices incrementally rising throughout the country. lots of people who wouldn't be considered for that for have been lifted for that tax have been lifted into it. sorry. quickly, somebody— into it. sorry. quickly, somebody like - c sorry. quickly, somebody like nadhim zahawi into it. sorry. quickly,— somebody like nadhim zahawi who into it. sorry. quickly,— somiwe dy like nadhim zahawi who into it. sorry. quickly,— somiwe shouldnadhim zahawi who into it. sorry. quickly,— somiwe should scrapm zahawi who into it. sorry. quickly,— somiwe should scrap it zahawi who into it. sorry. quickly,— somiwe should scrap it ,ahawi who into it. sorry. quickly,— somiwe should scrap it , he iwi who into it. sorry. quickly,— somiwe should scrap it, he hast/ho said we should scrap it, he has a said we should scrap it, he has o-oorrrouo— said we should scrap it, he has o-oorrrouo or- said we should scrap it, he has a-portfolio of £100. a property portfolio of £100 mirror. — a property portfolio of £100. million. _stands a property portfolio of £100- million. _stands to million. he personally stands to our— million. he personally stands to gain uro— million. he personally stands to gain £40 million— million. he personally stands to gain £40 million from that rooooyoro. — gain £40 million from that taxpayers. but— gain £40 million from that taxpayers. r:r:::r gain £40 million from that taxpayers. r:rt:r gain £40 million from that taxpayers. r:rt: taxpayers. but do you think that's why he's doing it? well, no, not to. i mean, no, i'm not going to. i mean, its— no, i'm not going to. i mean, to o— no, i'm not going to. i mean, its alike— no, i'm not going to. i mean, it's a.likelbrewer- no, i'm not going to. i mean, it's a like brewer saying it's a bit like a brewer saying suggesting— it's a bit like a brewer saying suggesting-torr- it's a bit like a brewer saying suggesting bit like suggesting it's a bit like a brewer— suggesting it's a bit like a brewer saying— suggesting it's a bit like a brewer saying let's scrap beer, tux.— brewer saying let's scrap beer, tor—trout brewer saying let's scrap beer,l tor—know, so tax. right. i mean, you know, so i i tax. right. i mean, you know, so r-r turk— tax. right. i mean, you know, so i-i think somebody- i think i think somebody with thor— i think i think somebody with riot—usuri- i think i think somebody with. that—wealth could that extraordinary wealth could uootrm — that extraordinary wealth could nadhim zahawi— that extraordinary wealth could nadhim zahawi have made £100 mirror— nadhim zahawi have made £100 mirror-no— nadhim zahawi have made £100 million-no no,- nadhim zahawi have made £100 million-no no, he- nadhim zahawi have made £100 million no no, he owns million in iraq. no no, he owns he million in iraq. no no, he owns too—trus- he owes something to this community:— he owes something to this community, to— he owes something to this community, to this nation. and i turk— community, to this nation. and i

trunk—onu- think that's one way of and i understood— think that's one way of and i understand that— think that's one way of and i understand that from me, understand that from for me, it's understand that from for me, its-or— understand that from for me, it's-oflmoral- it's more of a moral thing. okays— it's more of a moral thing. okay? because— it's more of a moral thing. okay? because i— it's more of a moral thing. okay? because i really- it's more of a moral thing. okay? because i really do want to their to see people who work all their lives and pay into a system all of their lives and decide that they want leave something to they want to leave something to they want to leave something to the future generation which a lot of people do. and i think that on people who are that gets lost on people who are now bit younger, who now who are a bit younger, who are screaming, are kicking and screaming, saying more tax. saying we need to pay more tax. i forget that a lot i think they forget that a lot of elderly people actually one of elderly people actually one of if not their top priority is to the generation to know that the generation coming after them is actually safe and secure. and this is something that i think is actually inherently wrong in our society at the minute. but if you happen to have someone you do happen to have someone who's often a self—made individual , who's often a self—made individual, know, a individual, you know, there's a lot generation irish lot of first generation irish immigrants , for example, immigrants, for example, who worked building trade, worked in the building trade, did everything right, worked their ended up their way up. they ended up owning that now, owning a property that is now, under standards, worth under today's standards, worth £1 million something, which £1 million or something, which actually, i can say you've actually, if i can say you've got experience this, got family experience of this, haven't family haven't you? i've got family experience someone experience of it where someone who was, know, absolutely who was, you know, absolutely worked. the kind of worked. i mean, the kind of thing has an impact on your thing that has an impact on your physical health, which

unfortunately physical health, which unprematurely right and to prematurely death. right and then getting then you end up getting absolutely and you absolutely clobbered and you think, well, is that really is that really fair? i would think, well, is that really is that questionr? i would think, well, is that really is that questionr? i todayi think, well, is that really is that questionr? i today , also question as well today, theyi also question as well today, they i don't think our tax is being well spent. if you look around, you look around at being well spent. if you look arolpublicyou look around at being well spent. if you look arolpublic services around at being well spent. if you look arolpublic services andind at being well spent. if you look arolpublic services and where we our public services and where we are the at the are spending the money at the moment how we're spending moment and how we're spending it and manner we'll and the manner in which we'll get way is i just don't get onto one way is i just don't think could tolerate it. if think i could tolerate it. if everything was working well, everything was running smoothly. can throw it out can i ask can i throw it out thoro— can i ask can i throw it out there, though?— can i ask can i throw it out there, though? i— can i ask can i throw it out there, though? i mean, one of rho— there, though? i mean, one of the criticisms— there, though? i mean, one of the criticisms inheritance the criticisms of inheritance ros— the criticisms of inheritance tux—know,- tax is that if, you know, inheritance _ tax is that if, you know, inheritance tax, but abolishing tutorrroo— inheritance tax, but abolishing inherited inheritance taxes , inherited inheritance taxes, thor— inherited inheritance taxes, riot-passing- inherited inheritance taxes, that passing wealth that you're passing wealth trough— that you're passing wealth through down— that you're passing wealth through down to kids who are prototy— through down to kids who are probably advanced , quite probably quite advanced, quite advantageo— probably quite advanced, quite advantaged anyway by just trotting— advantaged anyway by just plonking wealth in their in plonking that wealth in their in trou— plonking that wealth in their in thou-aro— plonking that wealth in their in thou-are you- plonking that wealth in their in their are you stifling their accounts. are you stifling creativity:— their accounts. are you stifling creativity, are _ their accounts. are you stifling creativity, are you— their accounts. are you stifling creativity, are you stifling ambitiou— creativity, are you stifling ambition will— creativity, are you stifling ambition will necessarily spend it terror. — ambition will necessarily spend it better. that's— ambition will necessarily spend it better. that's that's my that your— it better. that's that's my that your to— it better. that's that's my that your to my— it better. that's that's my that would be my you— it better. that's that's my that would be my you know little chutes— would be my you know little ctorros r— would be my you know little charles i mean— would be my you know little charles i mean ratio i would be trusted— charles i mean ratio i would be inherited really— charles i mean ratio i would be inherited really worried if i too— inherited really worried if i too tors— inherited really worried if i too tors of— inherited really worried if i had lots of money leaving it to a had lots of money leaving it to o kro. — had lots of money leaving it to o kit. or.— had lots of money leaving it to a kid. oh, personally,- had lots of money leaving it to a kid. r: a kid. oh, personally, i'd be very worried. i would want i think usually the adult

children. i would. well, just call me your child, call me kid. it's your child, right? overcompensate. right? i would overcompensate. and i was and i actually think if i was well off or successful, i'd well off or uber successful, i'd probably the kids probably quite harsh the kids to be isn't that be like, look, life isn't that easy. things don't come to you that do that that easily. so i do see that they talk about the threshold, tend everything. tend to spend everything. presumably you wouldn't oresumoory— presumably we respect you wourou-r— wouldn't rather leave it to jeremy— wouldn't rather leave it to jeremy-wellr- wouldn't rather leave it to- jeremy-well,-gerry jeremy hunt well, jeremy gerry rroyrrirorr— jeremy hunt well, jeremy gerry rroyurrrou .— jeremy hunt well, jeremy gerry rroyrrrsou . au— jeremy hunt well, jeremy gerry moynihan . all right. jeremy hunt well, jeremy gerry moynihan . all right . still to moynihan. all right. still to come tonight,— moynihan. all right. still to come tonight, darren is going to estrous— come tonight, darren is going to ooprorr wry— come tonight, darren is going to ooprorr why to— come tonight, darren is going to explain why he thinks the virtue stororuug— explain why he thinks the virtue stororrrno proo— explain why he thinks the virtue signalling pride month. i can't benevo— signalling pride month. i can't believe-whole- signalling pride month. i can't believe whole month is a believe it's a whole month is a party— believe it's a whole month is a party-many- believe it's a whole month is al pafiv-manv-people party to which many gay people srmory— party to which many gay people simply-invited. - party to which many gay people simply invited. aaron is simply aren't invited. aaron is going— simply aren't invited. aaron is going ro— simply aren't invited. aaron is going to rou— simply aren't invited. aaron is going to tell us— simply aren't invited. aaron is going to tell us why all under 45 going to tell us why all under no you— going to tell us why all under rs your outs— going to tell us why all under 45 year olds are— going to tell us why all under 45 year olds are being let down by no— 45 year olds are being let down by the importance— 45 year olds are being let down by the importance we place on unrvorsrrros— by the importance we place on universities or— by the importance we place on universities or something like nor.— universities or something like non—going- universities or something like run—going ro| that. and patrick is going to rou— that. and patrick is going to on us— that. and patrick is going to on us uny— that. and patrick is going to tell us why asylum seekers who rousor— tell us why asylum seekers who refuse _ should l refuse accommodation should srnory— refuse accommodation should simply-deported. - refuse accommodation should simply deported. you're with simply be deported. you're with the simply be deported. you're with no sorurooy— simply be deported. you're with the saturday five— simply be deported. you're with the saturday five live on

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nuisance. mizzy a platform the bbc is encouraging other to do the same. yes, i think that is a very good point indeed. richard says inheritance tax is a grave robbers tax on the working classes, not the wealthy, as they have complex, proper ways to there is that trust to avoid it. there is that trust . cetera. thorani . et cetera. et cetera. thorani says. . et cetera. et cetera. thorani says . you gentlemen look dashing says. you gentlemen look dashing and the ladies as always, looking stunning. shine on now it's time. how lovely . everyone it's time. how lovely. everyone is looking very nice this evening. we made an effort tonight. but now it's time for our next debate. darren is going to tell us why he thinks virtue signalling pride month is a party which many gay people party to which many gay people are invited. it's are simply not invited. it's gnnd are simply not invited. it's grind i'll probably be grind time. i'll probably be oonoorroo— grind time. i'll probably be cancelled _this- grind time. i'll probably be. cancelled _this aslef cancelled again for this aslef evermore bizarre— cancelled again for this aslef evermore bizarre flag that looks like evermore bizarre flag that looks do its— evermore bizarre flag that looks like it's about— evermore bizarre flag that looks like it's about to— evermore bizarre flag that looks like it's about to give an oorroono— like it's about to give an epileptic seizure. a party to union— epileptic seizure. a party to union nony— epileptic seizure. a party to which many gay people that nouovo— which many gay people that nouovo tn— which many gay people that believe in biological sex aren't rnvrroo— believe in biological sex aren't rnvrrou onu— believe in biological sex aren't invited and a— believe in biological sex aren't invited and a smorgasbord of pronouns like— invited and a smorgasbord of pronouns like they them them run— pronouns like they them them that translate, _ pronouns like they them them that translate, in— pronouns like they them them that translate, in my view as me, me, me . every that translate, in my view as me, me, me. every big corporation— me, me, me. every big corporation in- me, me, me. every big corporation in the land is ononorno— corporation in the land is ononorno ns— corporation in the land is

changing its logo to show how oroorossrvo— changing its logo to show how oroorossryo n— changing its logo to show how progressive it is— changing its logo to show how progressive it is until of course , you look at their logos course, you look at their logos in trustin— course, you look at their logos in muslim countries. a move from ron — in muslim countries. a move from ron ro— in muslim countries. a move from ron ro reor— in muslim countries. a move from ron ro ronr ro— in muslim countries. a move from lgb to lgbt to lgb_ in muslim countries. a move from lgb to lgbt to lgb betke to two reor— lgb to lgbt to lgb betke to two ronr. r— lgb to lgbt to lgb betke to two ronr. r a— lgb to lgbt to lgb betke to two ronr. r a trus— lgb to lgbt to lgb betke to two lgbt. i a plus no— lgb to lgbt to lgb betke to two lgbt. i a plus no ,_ lgb to lgbt to lgb betke to two lgbt. i a plus no , dear lgbt. i a plus no, dear ouronooo— lgbt. i a plus no, dear audience, you- lgbt. i a plus no, dear audience, you don't need to ootusr— audience, you don't need to dust your— audience, you don't need to adjust your television set or your— adjust your television set or your radio. — adjust your television set or your ratio. r— adjust your television set or your radio. i am— adjust your television set or your radio. i am not suffering a nonfunction— your radio. i am not suffering a malfunction. it— your radio. i am not suffering a malfunction. it sounds more like a secure, sodden_ malfunction. it sounds more like a secure, sodden passport than a group— a secure, sodden passport than a group or— a secure, sodden passport than a grow of people-_ a secure, sodden passport than a group or poopro. r— a secure, sodden passport than a group of people. i had a good rougn— group of people. i had a good rouon roooy— group of people. i had a good rouon today or— group of people. i had a good laugh today at the us navy, ononorng— laugh today at the us navy, ononorno ns— laugh today at the us navy, changing its social media, nronorng— changing its social media, nronorng ro— changing its social media, branding to pride. brandon yes, going— branding to pride. brandon yes, going ro— branding to pride. brandon yes, we're going to blast your name , we're going to blast your name, but non-r— we're going to blast your name, but non-r worry:— we're going to blast your name, but don't worry, we've plastered our but don't worry, we've plastered promos— but don't worry, we've plastered promos tn— but don't worry, we've plastered our profiles in rainbow colours , our profiles in rainbow colours : so ooruouy— our profiles in rainbow colours , so actually it's— our profiles in rainbow colours , so actually it's a— our profiles in rainbow colours , so actually it's a progressive plunderin9-_ , so actually it's a progressive plundering- a— , so actually it's a progressive plundering. a few— , so actually it's a progressive plundering. a few weeks ago i popped— plundering. a few weeks ago i popped inro— plundering. a few weeks ago i popped rnro o— plundering. a few weeks ago i popped into a gay bar in newcastle— popped into a gay bar in newcastle and i was told by some ovonrorgnr— newcastle and i was told by some overweight bloke— newcastle and i was told by some overweight bloke wearing a wig and overweight bloke wearing a wig ono soo— overweight bloke wearing a wig and some heels— overweight bloke wearing a wig and some heels that someone that workou— and some heels that someone that workoo for— and some heels that someone that workoo for on— and some heels that someone that worked for gb news— and some heels that someone that worked for gb news wasn't uooornor— worked for gb news wasn't wooornor tn— worked for gb news wasn't welcome in actually purporting to nooorno— welcome in actually purporting to become more— welcome in actually purporting to become more inclusive . this to become more inclusive. this rnoornonr nos— to become more inclusive. this movement has become more rnrororonr— movement has become more intolerant and— movement has become more intolerant and intolerable . intolerant and intolerable. unio— intolerant and intolerable. wnrro r— intolerant and intolerable. wnrro r nos— intolerant and intolerable. while i was battered more than a cod while i was battered more than a cost in—

while i was battered more than a cost in o— while i was battered more than a cost in o onrppy— while i was battered more than a cost in o onrooy or— while i was battered more than a cod in a chippy at school for nong— cod in a chippy at school for song o— cod in a chippy at school for being o toy— cod in a chippy at school for being o ooy roo— cod in a chippy at school for being a gay lad on a council osroro— being a gay lad on a council osroro tn— being a gay lad on a council estate in county— being a gay lad on a council estate in county durham. so i rou— estate in county durham. so i on you— estate in county durham. so i on you rnrs— estate in county durham. so i tell you this for— estate in county durham. so i tell you this for free, i won't be tell you this for free, i won't no rooruroo— tell you this for free, i won't be lectured by— tell you this for free, i won't be lectured by some blue haired they— be lectured by some blue haired rnoy rnon— be lectured by some blue haired they then attention seeking rnorn— they then attention seeking rnorn on— they then attention seeking rnoro on nor— they then attention seeking twerp on not being a real gay . twerp on not being a real gay. roo— twerp on not being a real gay. to gor— twerp on not being a real gay. to got no— twerp on not being a real gay. i've got no pride— twerp on not being a real gay. i've got no pride in a flag and a movement that— i've got no pride in a flag and a movement that stands for sexualization_ a movement that stands for sexualization with drag queens , sexualization with drag queens, unn— sexualization with drag queens, nrrn oounro— sexualization with drag queens, with double entendre names porrornrng— with double entendre names performing for— with double entendre names performing for children. i've got— performing for children. i've got no— performing for children. i've got no onto— performing for children. i've got no pride in— performing for children. i've got no pride in the indoctrination of kids with new gonoors— indoctrination of kids with new gonoors onu— indoctrination of kids with new genders and sexualities . and genders and sexualities. and most— genders and sexualities. and most horrifically, i have onsoruro— most horrifically, i have absolute no— most horrifically, i have absolute no pride in the mutilation— absolute no pride in the mutilation of- absolute no pride in the mutilation of minors in the name of mutilation of minors in the name or gonoor— mutilation of minors in the name of gender affirmation. so maybe i of gender affirmation. so maybe r non-r— of gender affirmation. so maybe r non-r norong— of gender affirmation. so maybe i don't belong to— of gender affirmation. so maybe i don't belong to this ugly oyosoro— i don't belong to this ugly oosoyro or— i don't belong to this ugly oosoyro of o— i don't belong to this ugly eyesore of a flag and the movement behind it. i like trons.— movement behind it. i like blokes. that's— movement behind it. i like blokes. that's about it doesn't oonno— blokes. that's about it doesn't oorrno no— blokes. that's about it doesn't define me. and— blokes. that's about it doesn't define me. and we ought not let it define me. and we ought not let u oonno— define me. and we ought not let it define britain— define me. and we ought not let it define britain through its rooorogy— it define britain through its ideology either— it define britain through its ideology either . wow. will ideology either. wow. well, tell us unor— ideology either. wow. well, tell us what you really think , us what you really think, darren. wow. foreign come on. you— darren. wow. foreign come on. you must— darren. wow. foreign come on. you must disagree— i wow. foreign come on. you must disagree with all of nor.— you must disagree with all of nor. aro— you must disagree with all of nor. aro you— you must disagree with all of that. are you an— you must disagree with all of that. are you an ally? will you be that. are you an ally? will you to our— that. are you an ally? will you to our of— that. are you an ally? will you be out of pride— that. are you an ally? will you be out of pride parade? will you be out of pride parade? will you no wooing— be out of pride parade? will you no wooing ino— be out of pride parade? will you be waving the progress pride trog— be waving the progress pride riog saying— be waving the progress pride riog soying ,— be waving the progress pride flag saying , come on,

be waving the progress pride flag saying, come on, come on, all flag saying, come on, come on, oii oniiiron— flag saying, come on, come on, all children, chop— flag saying, come on, come on, all children, chop bits all children, chop your bits on. — all children, chop your bits on. -rosi— all children, chop your bits on. -rosi or- all children, chop your bits off.-rest of it? - all children, chop your bits. off. _rest of it? well, off. all the rest of it? well, you-o— off. all the rest of it? well, you-yo iono— off. all the rest of it? well, you've done that. you've you've done that. what you've done effective. done then, it's very effective. rhetorical is you've rhetorical tactic is you've bunch of stuff in there. so bunch lots of stuff in there. so i think that's what the flag does. well that's true. i think that's what the flag doezdarren'svell that's true. i think that's what the flag doezdarren's sayingit's true. i think that's what the flag doezdarren's saying he's'ue. i think that's what the flag doezdarren's saying he's better but darren's saying he's better than that. think i think than that. so i think i think pride a net good. think pride is a net good. i think it's we've we've it's very good that we've we've de—stigmatized covid bisexuality and homosexuality in this country over the last 20, 25 years. you know, you're, you're a than me, but a bit younger than me, but i remember really beginning remember it really beginning to happen late 1990s, know mark happen late 1990s, you know mark on , the first kiss et on eastenders, the first kiss et cetera we've come so far since then. so i think it's a net good . it's good that people . i think it's good that people feel they can celebrate they feel they can celebrate who they are corporate stuff. are on the corporate stuff. you're it's you're entirely right. it's clearly absurd and i think we're at a moment now where the lgbt movement, there's clearly be a wider discussion about, you know, how people want to be represented. and of course, it is a very broad movement and people are going to have lots of differences. it's a very heterogeneous movement. and i think experience in think the experience you had in that for instance, i mean, that bar, for instance, i mean, i'm to that sounds i'm sorry to hear that it sounds like want quite

like some people want quite a homogenous and homogenous movement. and clearly, you're clearly, when you're talking about about about you are talking about millions this millions of people in this country talking country right. you're talking about, six, six, about, what, six, six, six, let's million people. let's say 6 million people. you're have people of you're going to have people of all kinds of colours creeds all kinds of colours and creeds and beliefs. so i think all kinds of colours and creeds and btensions so i think all kinds of colours and creeds and btensions kind i think all kinds of colours and creeds and btensions kind of hink all kinds of colours and creeds and btensions kind of given the those tensions kind of given the lgbt movement and its normalisation, that's kind of inevitable, isn't it? it's like begum, isn't it? black and oinnio— begum, isn't it? black and ethnic minority— begum, isn't it? black and ethnic minority or- g c c?’ black and ethnic minority or minority? unno— ethnic minority or minority? irnnio: tusi— ethnic minority or minority? ethnic, just groups. everyone iogoinoro— ethnic, just groups. everyone together? yeah— ethnic, just groups. everyone together? yeah as long as you're not wniio. — together? yeah as long as you're not wniio. ani— together? yeah as long as you're not white. and this— together? yeah as long as you're not white. and this just groups . ivoryono— not white. and this just groups . everyone who's— not white. and this just groups . everyone who's not straight all . everyone who's not straight oii rogornor— . everyone who's not straight oii rogornor :— . everyone who's not straight all together , that would annoy all together, that would annoy me all together, that would annoy noli— all together, that would annoy noli noi— all together, that would annoy me i had different. all together, that would annoy me i had different . well, me if i had a different. well, its— me if i had a different. well, is o— me if i had a different. well, its amino— me if i had a different. well, it's a like preference. i'm it's a bit like preference. i'm nor.— it's a bit like preference. i'm non—noi- not. you know, i'm not nooossoriiy— not. you know, i'm not necessarily same as not. you know, i'm not- necessarily-same as someone necessarily the same as someone tusi— necessarily the same as someone tusi iooouso— necessarily the same as someone tusr nooouso or— necessarily the same as someone just because of preference just because of their preference . its— just because of their preference . ir-s iiio— just because of their preference . it's like saying— just because of their preference . it's like saying that- just because of their preference . it's like saying that through the movement, every the feminist movement, every single exactly the single woman has exactly the same you know, who are the same view. you know, who are the majority in. that's majority of people in. that's why been a majority of people in. that's why-been a teami why i've never been a team toninisi— why i've never been a team toninisi-i- why i've never been a team feminist-i feel- why i've never been a team feminist i feel like why i've never been a team - feminist-i feel like you feminist because i feel like you nowo—inon- feminist because i feel like you have _then too.- feminist because i feel like you have _then too. so i have to sign up then too. so many— have to sign up then too. so yon-— have to sign up then too. so many-on other- have to sign up then too. so many on other things, many beliefs on other things, noiiiios— many beliefs on other things, ooiirios. on— many beliefs on other things, politics. on how— many beliefs on other things, politics. on how view politics. on how you view sooioiy— politics. on how you view society absolutely everything society on absolutely everything :—ii-s— society on absolutely everything :—ir-s tusi— society on absolutely everything :—ir-s tusi your- , when really it's just your soxuoiiiy— , when really it's just your. soxuoiiiy—you sexuality or the fact that you inink—io- sexuality or the fact that you think_ be you think women should be equal. you know:— think women should be equal. you know-nig— think women should be equal. you know,-big question- know, it's not a big question noro. — know, it's not a big question noro. wry— know, it's not a big question noro. wny rio— know, it's not a big question here. rwy r:rt:r t �*"rt;rt;t

here. why do corporations feel as though have get these as though they have to get these flags up there? why people flags up there? why did people feel they had to take feel as though they had to take the knee? it's because we currently live in a culture where if don't ridiculously where if you don't ridiculously virtue signal assumption is virtue signal the assumption is either that you are a frothing, racist, homophobe or that you can be accused being one. can be accused of being one. okay? this is absolutely okay? and this is absolutely staggering. fake virtue staggering. so this fake virtue signalling going to signalling like going to sainsbury's a gay sainsbury's and buy a big gay bunch bananas, it's bunch of bananas, it's got a rainbow isn't it? just rainbow flag, isn't it? just it's just it's it's just cheap. it's just it's nonsense. it's cheap. like if inor— nonsense. it's cheap. like if not wini— nonsense. it's cheap. like if that kind of— it's cheap. like if that kind of corporate social responsibility— that kind of corporate social responsibility would cost the company— responsibility would cost the company millions of dollars , i company millions of dollars, i wouii— company millions of dollars, i wouii io— company millions of dollars, i wouii no in— company millions of dollars, i would do it. they— company millions of dollars, i would do it. they wouldn't do it. would do it. they wouldn't do in its— would do it. they wouldn't do in ii-stusi— would do it. they wouldn't do it. its tusr ventr— would do it. they wouldn't do it. it's just very, very cheap. so it. it's just very, very cheap. so must— it. it's just very, very cheap. so much money— it. it's just very, very cheap. so much money on- it. it's just very, very cheap. so much money on it,- it. it's just very, very cheap. so much money on it, on, on, on diversity inclusion managers who that but they that kind of separate but they work this kind of stuff or work on this kind of stuff or you have a blm workshop shop at work. one of my former work. my one of my former employers whole employers spent a whole week doing of different doing all of these different workshops. that workshops. what's bad about that ? we've gone from lgbt stuff iooouso— ? we've gone from lgbt stuff iooouso ii-s— ? we've gone from lgbt stuff because it's blm— 7’ we've gone from lgbt stuff because it's blm stuff. because it's because it's blm stuff. because ir-s-oioui— because it's blm stuff. because it's-about-officerl it's bad about inclusion officer nooouso— because it's costly to businesses. - because it's costly to businesses. ii- because it's costly to businesses. because it's costly to- businesses.ii think businesses businesses. i think businesses first and foremost. well, i don't of things don't agree with a lot of things that would have had in

that they would have had in these workshops, i'm sure. but these workshops, i'm sure. but the is, that it's not the problem is, is that it's not good the businesses either. good for the businesses either. i actually is. it i don't know. it actually is. it is in— i don't know. it actually is. it is in o— i don't know. it actually is. it is in o way— i don't know. it actually is. it is in a way because- r:rt:r" c it actually is. it is in a way because actually is in a way because it actually an is in a way because it actually on-onioor-s- is in a way because it actually an-officer's-partj an inclusion officer's job. part of an inclusion officer's job. part or—io— an inclusion officer's job. part of_to actually- of their role is to actually know— of their role is to actually know-row— of their role is to actually know - law to - of their role is to actually know law to protect the know the law to protect the company— know the law to protect the company from — know the law to protect the company from being by company from being sued by sonoioiy— company from being sued by sononooy-noy- company from being sued by somebody may an somebody who may have an oitoorion— somebody who may have an. objection _company. objection against the company. so objection against the company. so—inoi-s- objection against the company. so_that's what- objection against the company.| so _that's what you so that's that's that's what you novo— so that's that's that's what you- have a company be hiring someone for—come! for thousands of pounds to come in—sion— for thousands of pounds to come in—sion oioui- in and tell the staff about wniro— in and tell the staff about white privilege— in and tell the staff about white privilege and then go nono. — white privilege and then go home. imean,_ white privilege and then go home. :�* white privilege and then go- home. imean, seriously, you've home. i mean, seriously, you've sky right you've worked at sky sports right? i mean , sports before, right? i mean, they the sports before, right? i mean, they—the cliff,| they have gone off the cliff, igno— they have gone off the cliff, ngn, witn— they have gone off the cliff, right, with their— they have gone off the cliff, right, with their so involved in wnokoori — right, with their so involved in whakaari and— right, with their so involved in whakaari and walkeri. / �*fiirt; whakaari and walkeri. yeah. we roiu— whakaari and walkeri. yeah. we were told overnight we had to wear badges for all sorts of different stuff and some. you had to. yeah, we had to. yeah. well we yeah, we were told it wasn't. honestly think wasn't. honestly i think football wasn't football players it wasn't mandated. i gonna say mandated. i was gonna say i ion-i— mandated. i was gonna say i ion-i inink— mandated. i was gonna say i don't think it's— mandated. i was gonna say i don't think it's legal- 3: i was gonna say i don't think it's legal right. no don't think it's legal right. uo—ir— don't think it's legal right. uo—ir wa- don't think it's legal right. uo—ir wo- don't think it's legal right. j no_it was we put no it's not but it was we put people were pressure on. people were put pressure on. i was, i was. if you don't you're oxaoriy— was, i was. if you don't you're oxaoiiy wnai— was, i was. if you don't you're exactly what - said. - exactly what patrick said. vouro— exactly what patrick said. roam—- exactly what patrick said.j you're-a bigot. exactly what patrick said.- you're-a bigot. very you're a racist or a bigot. very iirriouii. — you're a racist or a bigot. very difficult. very— you're a racist or a bigot. very difficult. r: rt difficult. very difficult to object badge. object to putting on a badge. people the poppy, people say about the poppy, inougn—niay- people say about the poppy,. though,_play devil's though, don't they play devil's aawooaioo— though, don't they play devil's advocate? - say, - though, don't they play devil's advocate? say, you know, advocate? they say, you know, rnoro-s— advocate? they say, you know, there's - pressure - advocate? they say, you know,. there's - pressure lwear there's so much pressure to wear a—inoy-

there's so much pressure to wear a—inoy to. l a poppy. it's almost they do. nur— a poppy. it's almost they do. nut-know— a poppy. it's almost they do. but-know what,- a poppy. it's almost they do. but-know what, though?�* a poppy. it's almost they do. j but-know what, though? i but you know what, though? i think going be 1—1 day think it's going to be 1—1 day soon. pride is going soon. that pride flag is going to like sodden patchwork to look like a sodden patchwork quilt. ido. to look like a sodden patchwork quilt. i do. think to look like a sodden patchwork quilt. ido. think there's quilt. i do. i think there's sonoining— quilt. i do. i think there's. something-aaron quilt. i do. i think there's- something-aaron said, something in in what aaron said, wnion— something in in what aaron said, wnionlinai— something in in what aaron said, wnionlinai i— something in in what aaron said, which-that i mean,— something in in what aaron said, which that i mean, i have which is that i mean, i have. soon—ioiai seen absolutely only the total normalisation— seen absolutely only the total normalisation of— seen absolutely only the total normalisation of a vast smorgasbord- normalisation of a vast smorgasbord of different sexualities, _ smorgasbord of different sexualities, which is as it snouii— sexualities, which is as it snouii no:— sexualities, which is as it should be, people shouldn't you snouii— should be, people shouldn't you snouii noi— should be, people shouldn't you should not have— should be, people shouldn't you should not have to, you know, go rnrougn— should not have to, you know, go rnrougn-kini— should not have to, you know, go through kind bullying through the kind of bullying you wont—king- through the kind of bullying you wont—king ofl went through at school, kind of buying.— went through at school, kind of bullying-school- bullying. i saw at school as worr— bullying. i saw at school as well..times. _ bullying. i saw at school as well..times. -i- bullying. i saw at school as well. times. i would bullying. i saw at school as- well..times.-i would hope well. at times. and i would hope inat— well. at times. and i would hope inai-aiways— well. at times. and i would hope that-always going- well. at times. and i would hope that always going to be that there's always going to be iaiois— that there's always going to be idiots-there's- that there's always going to be idiots there's always idiots out there. there's always going—our- idiots out there. there's always going—our inoro.| going to be bullies out there. our— going to be bullies out there. our-nono— going to be bullies out there. but-hope that- going to be bullies out there. but hope that that has but i would hope that that has noon— but i would hope that that has been squeezed— but i would hope that that has been squeezed into very small been squeezed into a very small minority.— minority. but one thing i would saylinai— minority. but one thing i would saylinai soo— minority. but one thing i would say-that some of— minority. but one thing i would say that some of these kind say is that some of these kind of say is that some of these kind or ionior — say is that some of these kind of lgbtq+ pressure groups, as it woro—rno- were, i think when with the aavoni— were, i think when with the aiwoni or— were, i think when with the advent of marriage and the advent of gay marriage and the normalisation— advent of gay marriage and the normalisation maybe normalisation in society, maybe got normalisation in society, maybe goi a— normalisation in society, maybe goi a roi— normalisation in society, maybe goi a ioi or— normalisation in society, maybe got a lot of what— normalisation in society, maybe got a lot of what they were asking— got a lot of what they were asking for— got a lot of what they were asking for and— got a lot of what they were asking for and wanted and now i'm asking for and wanted and now in |wouii— asking for and wanted and now i'm would personally i'm i would be personally concerned that- i'm i would be personally concerned that they want to go inat— concerned that they want to go inai-sion— concerned that they want to go that-step further. - concerned that they want to go that step further. and that one step further. and inai-s— that one step further. and inai-s-wo- that one step further. and that's-we start- that one step further. and that's we start seeing that's where we start seeing rnings— things in early years education. but things in early years education. our—nooasl things in early years education. our—noois ioi but i just don't think needs to be but i just don't think needs to io—. — but i just don't think needs to io—. voan- but i just don't think needs to io—. voan. andl be there exactly. yeah. and that's an interesting point actually. someone actually. as someone on the left, grift as left, do you see the grift as what would brand it as from what i would brand it as from the likes stonewall all who,

the likes of stonewall all who, you know, a bit like saint george retirement they've george in retirement they've killed dragon in securing killed the dragon in securing equality for everyone and now of course they're just trying to find make money find other ways to make money and relevant to the and that now relevant to the trans . i try and look at trans debate. i try and look at the trans debate. i try and look at no ioni— trans debate. i try and look at the lgbt stuff— trans debate. i try and look at the lgbt stuff as— trans debate. i try and look at the lgbt stuff as and- : i try and look at the lgbt stuff as and obviously i'm the lgbt stuff as and obviously in a— the lgbt stuff as and obviously in a siraigni— the lgbt stuff as and obviously i'm a straight heterosexual man, so rnar-s— i'm a straight heterosexual man, so rnar-s ano— i'm a straight heterosexual man, so that's the caveat— i'm a straight heterosexual man, so that's the caveat . but i try so that's the caveat. but i try ana— so that's the caveat. but i try and rook— so that's the caveat. but i try and took ai— so that's the caveat. but i try and look at these— so that's the caveat. but i try and look at these things as owi— and look at these things as civil liberties— and look at these things as civil liberties issue. fundamentally and i think that's the fundamentally and i think that's no prism— fundamentally and i think that's the prism through— fundamentally and i think that's the prism through which i try fundamentally and i think that's the looki through which i try fundamentally and i think that's the look atirough which i try fundamentally and i think that's the look at stuffi which i try fundamentally and i think that's the look at stuff through try fundamentally and i think that's the look at stuff through and and look at stuff through and i inink— and look at stuff through and i inink ono— and look at stuff through and i think once you— and look at stuff through and i think once you talk about civil iiionios— think once you talk about civil iiionios for— think once you talk about civil liberties for children, it sians— liberties for children, it siaris ro— liberties for children, it starts to get- liberties for children, it starts to get quite ambiguous. inat— starts to get quite ambiguous. inai said:— starts to get quite ambiguous. inai an, i— starts to get quite ambiguous. that said, i personally feel anar— that said, i personally feel na if— that said, i personally feel na if a— that said, i personally feel that if a young— that said, i personally feel that if a young child wants rnoir— that if a young child wants their gender— that if a young child wants their gender affirmed rhetorically, they want paniouiar— rhetorically, they want- particular—don't particular pronouns. i don't roaiiy— really see what that costs sonoioiy— really see what that costs somebody else. yeah, and i'd ooo— somebody else. yeah, and i'd wonder, would— somebody else. yeah, and i'd wonder, would you say, no, we're going— wonder, would you say, no, we're going io— wonder, would you say, no, we're going to sari— wonder, would you say, no, we're going to call you? _ wonder, would you say, no, we're going to call you? some people, they think it costs reality. yeah that's true. can i yeah well, that's true. can i just , how do you yeah well, that's true. can i just-, how do you feel. yeah well, that's true. can i- just-, how do you feel about just ask, how do you feel about pride?— just ask, how do you feel about nriioo-an— just ask, how do you feel about nriioo-an as- just ask, how do you feel about pride?-an as an- just ask, how do you feel about pride? an as an event? just ask, how do you feel about pri in? an as an event? just ask, how do you feel about pri in major an as an event? just ask, how do you feel about pri in major cities as an event? just ask, how do you feel about pri in major cities around event? just ask, how do you feel about pri in major cities around europe as in major cities around europe ani— as in major cities around europe gag—wonde- as in major cities around europe ant—wono? i- as in major cities around europe and—world? i don't. and around the world? i don't remember them _ and around the world? i don't remember them being quite as onoiiwo— remember them being quite as emotive contentious as remember them being quite as emotinup contentious as remember them being quite as emotinup aboutitious as remember them being quite as emotinup aboutitiouyears maybe up until about five years ago. — maybe up until about five years ago. no— maybe up until about five years ago. do you— maybe up until about five years ago. do you think_ maybe up until about five years ago. do you think it needs some morning:— ago. do you think it needs some reforming, maybe— ago. do you think it needs some reforming, maybe scaling reforming, maybe like scaling task— back somehow, or the messages

onangoio—iaro- changed? or is it too late altogether? _ changed? or is it too late altogether? c altogether? i think it's a narcissistic parade of people who show off their who just want to show off their beats the police, get out the beats on the police, get out the baton. yeah. anyway, right, noauso— baton. yeah. anyway, right, because-leave- :�* yeah. anyway, right, because leave there. because to leave it there. nignr. — because to leave it there. night. so— because to leave it there. right. so still— because to leave it there. right. so still ahead,- because to leave it there. right. so still ahead, aaron's going to tell us why all under 45 year olds are being let down by importance that were by the importance that were placed universities. and placed on universities. and patrick is going to tell us why asylum seekers who refuse accommodation should just be deported. you're with us saturday, five live on

on gb news. the people's channel britain is watching . welcome britain is watching. welcome back to the saturday- :�* t g welcome back to the saturday five. you — back to the saturday five. you've been— back to the saturday five. you've been sending us more messages, so i'm— you've been sending us more messages, so i'm going to read out a— messages, so i'm going to read out a oounio— messages, so i'm going to read out a couple. jade— messages, so i'm going to read out a couple. jade says, darren, inat— out a couple. jade says, darren, inai was— out a couple. jade says, darren, rnar sinoiy— out a couple. jade says, darren, that was simply amazing. lol war.— that was simply amazing. lol war. whar— that was simply amazing. lol well, what can— that was simply amazing. lol well, what can i— that was simply amazing. lol well, what can i say?- that was simply amazing. lol well, what can i say? jade thank you. peter says you put the pride nonsense perfectly , pride nonsense perfectly, especially regarding our little ones who are our future. well, there you go . lots of- . well, there you go . lots of praise for there you go. lots of praise for daron— there you go. lots of praise for narron nary— there you go. lots of praise for darren. mary says— there you go. lots of praise for darren. mary says best programme on iv— darren. mary says best programme on iv giwos— darren. mary says best programme on iv givos no— darren. mary says best programme on tv gives me hope in the ruiuro— on tv gives me hope in the ruiuro-iois— on tv gives me hope in the future-lots of- on tv gives me hope in the future lots of thought future with lots of thought

provoking — future with lots of thought provoking lovely. thank future with lots of thought provvery; lovely. thank future with lots of thought provvery much lovely. thank future with lots of thought provvery much forovely. thank future with lots of thought provvery much for sending ank future with lots of thought provvery much for sending those you very much for sending those in. rioaso— you very much for sending those in. rioaso io— you very much for sending those in. please do keep— you very much for sending those in. please do keep them coming. we in. please do keep them coming. uro—nur- in. please do keep them coming. wo—iui now- in. please do keep them coming. we_but now it's. we like the praise, but now it's iino— we like the praise, but now it's iinolour— we like the praise, but now it's time .our-debate. - we like the praise, but now it's time our debate. time for our next debate. up noon— time for our next debate. up next. is— time for our next debate. up next, it's time— time for our next debate. up next, it's time for— time for our next debate. up next, it's time for some socialist sugar. aaron is called to tell us why a generation of millennial marxists have been let down by the import . once we let down by the import. once we place on universities and how we fund them. it's time for boston's broadside . take it boston's broadside. take it away. aaron, i'm loving these intros— away. aaron, i'm loving these inrros :— away. aaron, i'm loving these inrros : so— away. aaron, i'm loving these inrros : so i— away. aaron, i'm loving these intros , so i want— away. aaron, i'm loving these intros , so i want to- aaron, i'm loving these intros , so i want to make intros, so i want to make a broad— intros, so i want to make a broad aoooai— intros, so i want to make a broad appeal here to many people away— broad appeal here to many people aoiuaiiy on— broad appeal here to many people aoruaiiy on noi— broad appeal here to many people actually on not just— broad appeal here to many people actually on not just the left, our— actually on not just the left, but no— actually on not just the left, our to rigni— actually on not just the left, but the right in— actually on not just the left, but the right in the centre, ioo. — but the right in the centre, ioo. kni— but the right in the centre, too. and that's— but the right in the centre, too. and that's to say that our uniworsiiy— too. and that's to say that our university sector— too. and that's to say that our university sector isn't working in anis— university sector isn't working in this country. _ university sector isn't working in this country. they have in this country. we they have noon— in this country. we they have noon-voy— in this country. we they have noon-wory nign- in this country. we they have been very high esteem been held in very hiin esteem for been held in very high esteem for ooniury— been held in very high esteem for century his— been held in very high esteem for century his we— been held in very high esteem for century his we have several uniworsiiios— for century his we have several univorsiiios in— for century his we have several universities in the— for century his we have several universities in the world's top 20 in— universities in the world's top 20 in anis— universities in the world's top 20 in this country. so they are aisoiuio— 20 in this country. so they are absolute truly— 20 in this country. so they are absolute truly world class institutions,— absolute truly world class institutions, but they're fairing— institutions, but they're failing people who graduate from inon — failing people who graduate from inon witn— failing people who graduate from them with massive amounts of ioni— them with massive amounts of ioin .— them with massive amounts of ioin . kni— them with massive amounts of debt . and _the- them with massive amounts of debt . and the same time, debt. and also at the same time, we're not producing— debt. and also at the same time, we're not producing enough aooiors— we're not producing enough doctors, nurses— we're not producing enough doctors, nurses is huge snonagos— doctors, nurses is huge snonagos in— doctors, nurses is huge shortages in a range of professions— shortages in a range of professions and perhaps most inoonanriy:— professions and perhaps most importantly, and— professions and perhaps most importantly, and this is sonorning— importantly, and this is

something we don't talk about onougn— something we don't talk about onougn wnon— something we don't talk about enough when it— something we don't talk about enough when it comes to universities— enough when it comes to universities is— enough when it comes to universities is the graduate divisiona— universities is the graduate dividend. average male dividend. so the average male graiuaio— dividend. so the average male graduate-country- dividend. so the average male graduate country earns graduate in this country earns aoun— graduate in this country earns around £153,000— graduate in this country earns around £153,000 more than they wouii— around £153,000 more than they wouia nawo— around £153,000 more than they wouia nawo ir— around £153,000 more than they would have if they— around £153,000 more than they would have if they hadn't gone to uniworsiiy— would have if they hadn't gone to uniworsiry .— would have if they hadn't gone to university . now, in the to university. now, in the union— to university. now, in the united states,- to university. now, in the united states, that figure is oozoooo— united states, that figure is £420,000. obviously translated from— £420,000. obviously translated from ioiiars— £420,000. obviously translated from dollars into— £420,000. obviously translated from dollars into pounds. so inat— from dollars into pounds. so that dividend— from dollars into pounds. so that dividend from studying at uniworsiiy— that dividend from studying at uniworsiry is— that dividend from studying at university is almost three times nignor— university is almost three times nignor in— university is almost three times nignor in no— university is almost three times higher in the us— university is almost three times higher in the us ._ university is almost three times higher in the us. in france and oornany— higher in the us. in france and oornany ii-s— higher in the us. in france and germany, it's around £250,000. so germany, it's around £250,000. so significant— germany, it's around £250,000. so significant higher still. so we so significant higher still. so wo nawo— so significant higher still. so we have major,— so significant higher still. so we have major, major problems witn— we have major, major problems wiin rogaris— we have major, major problems with regards to— we have major, major problems with regards to higher education.— with regards to higher education. it's not working for graauaros— education. it's not working for graduates because they're in massive amounts of debt, often it massive amounts of debt, often ii ioosn-r— massive amounts of debt, often it aoosn-r gay— massive amounts of debt, often it doesn't pay for— massive amounts of debt, often it doesn't pay for them to study . just— it doesn't pay for them to study . rust rook— it doesn't pay for them to study no rook ar— it doesn't pay for them to study . just look at a— it doesn't pay for them to study . just look at a nurse. they're sooing— . just look at a nurse. they're sooing raiiing— . just look at a nurse. they're seeing falling real pay because the government— seeing falling real pay because the government won't give them pay-at— the government won't give them nay-or ino— the government won't give them gay-or rno sao- the government won't give them pay at the same time , pay rises. at the same time, rnoy— pay rises. at the same time, rnoy-nawo— pay rises. at the same time, they have £50,000 worth of they may have £50,000 worth of ioni— they may have £50,000 worth of ioin ani— they may have £50,000 worth of ioin and its— they may have £50,000 worth of debt and it's not— they may have £50,000 worth of debt and it's not working ginor— debt and it's not working either. and— debt and it's not working either. and this is hugely inooriani— either. and this is hugely important for— either. and this is hugely important for people never important for people who never graiuaioi— important for people who never graduated either— important for people who never graduated either because you iiwo— graduated either because you iiwo in— graduated either because you iiwo in a— graduated either because you live in a country— graduated either because you live in a country where we don't nawo— live in a country where we don't nawo onougn— live in a country where we don't have enough teachers, nurses as doctors— have enough teachers, nurses as doctors, massive _ have enough teachers, nurses as doctors, massive shortages in vocations— doctors, massive shortages in vocations that— doctors, massive shortages in vocations that create real value from — vocations that create real value

from oonnuror— vocations that create real value from computer science to onginooring— from computer science to onginooring .— from computer science to engineering . and i think we need engineering. and i think we need a sonsiiio— engineering. and i think we need a sensible conversation about now— a sensible conversation about now wo— a sensible conversation about now wo ao— a sensible conversation about now wo no i— a sensible conversation about now wo no i in— a sensible conversation about how we do it in this country. kni— how we do it in this country. and wo— how we do it in this country. and we shouldn't just demonise siuaonis— and we shouldn't just demonise siuaonis wno— and we shouldn't just demonise students who lower fees and students who want lower fees and ioss— students who want lower fees and ioss ioni— students who want lower fees and less debt because— students who want lower fees and less debt because there's a big onworsaiion— less debt because there's a big conversation about the public good— conversation about the public good ani— conversation about the public good and now— conversation about the public good and how we do things differently. _ good and how we do things differently. may- good and how we do things differently. titty 7’ r good and how we do things differently. titty 7’ :�* c�*rzttt; differently. may i? but in there that that was great. but could that that was great. but could that dividend be explained actually by the funding models of universities? because in america they are so expensive and you have to pay some of it upfront. of course, so that people are more selective with the courses that they choose because yours. would you admit that in this country we, the young people have sometimes been guided towards degrees guided wrongly towards degrees that will add no benefit to their career. they've been told inoy— their career. they've been told inoy-anyining- their career. they've been told they-anything told,- t t ”cc” they've been told they anything told, they they can be anything told, they can they can be anything told, they oanlanyining— they can be anything told, they can-anything put— they can be anything told, they can anything put on courses can be anything put on courses ani— can be anything put on courses and orusn— can be anything put on courses and crush their— can be anything put on courses and crush their dreams. sooioiogy.— and crush their dreams. sooioiogy. so— and crush their dreams. sociology. so sociology or something like that at a second rate university or third rate rate university or a third rate university city, they may have not in their not done very well in their a—levels at all. they're put in university where they huge university where they have huge amounts and then , you amounts of debt and then, you know, they're not know, of course they're not going better as

going to get a betterjob as a result. so going to get a betterjob as a result . so i don't think that's result. so i don't think that's ino— result. so i don't think that's no ornrnon— so i don't think that's the common experience for most siuionis— the common experience for most sruionrs. so— the common experience for most students. so most— the common experience for most students. so most who students. so most people who study— students. so most people who siuiy in— students. so most people who study in anis— students. so most people who study in this country are doing iusinoss— study in this country are doing business-that's- business degrees. that's the first—noonio- business degrees. that's the. first—people aren't first thing. most people aren't sruaying— first thing. most people aren't studying—or- first thing. most people aren't studying or foreign studying humanities or foreign ianguagos— languages. most people are studying— languages. most people are studying-kna- languages. most people are studying-and i. languages. most people are studying and i think studying business. and i think toroign— studying business. and i think foreign languages. tired: foreign languages. i study arose.— foreign languages. i study those. degree. those. that's a proper degree. you know, i'm not sorry, i'm not knocking— you know, i'm not sorry, i'm not knooking n,— you know, i'm not sorry, i'm not knocking it, but— you know, i'm not sorry, i'm not knocking it, but think so. knocking it, but i think so. inai-s— knocking it, but i think so. was ino— knocking it, but i think so. that's the point, is that that's the first point, is that won— that's the first point, is that wory—aoiuaiiy- that's the first point, is that. very—actually study very few people actually study rnoso—rnar- very few people actually study. these _that.tend these these degrees that we tend to these these degrees that we tend ro-oasiigaio. — these these degrees that we tend to-castigate. .we- these these degrees that we tend to-castigate.-we can. to really castigate. and we can nawo— to really castigate. and we can have lconversation- to really castigate. and we can have conversation about have a conversation about wnoinor— have a conversation about wnoinor-wo- have a conversation about whether we should be whether or not we should be studying— studying them. but they're not the studying them. but they're not no rnrato— studying them. but they're not the major problem. the major notion— the major problem. the major problem-me— the major problem. the major problem-me is— the major problem. the major problem-me is i- the major problem. the major problem me is i would agree problem for me is i would agree oronaniy— problem for me is i would agree oronaniy io— problem for me is i would agree probably to some— problem for me is i would agree probably to some extent with you,— probably to some extent with you, wnion— probably to some extent with you, wnion is— probably to some extent with you, which is that we don't have onougn— you, which is that we don't have onougn ooooio— you, which is that we don't have onougn new“! in— you, which is that we don't have enough people in the right jobs. we enough people in the right jobs. uro noon— enough people in the right jobs. uro nooa io— enough people in the right jobs. uro noon to no— enough people in the right jobs. we need to be a— enough people in the right jobs. we need to be a successful sooioiy— we need to be a successful sooioiy in— we need to be a successful society in economy nursing. like i society in economy nursing. like i say:— society in economy nursing. like i say: iooiors— society in economy nursing. like i say, ooorors :— society in economy nursing. like i say, doctors , engineers, i say, doctors, engineers, oonnuror— i say, doctors, engineers, computer scientist . s that's computer scientist. s that's a rnrato— computer scientist. s that's a rnrato rnrato— computer scientist. s that's a major, major problem. that's a rnrato— major, major problem. that's a rnrato worry— major, major problem. that's a rnrato worry kio— major, major problem. that's a major worry kid to— major, major problem. that's a major worry kid to scrap their noaia— major worry kid to scrap their media degree. _ major worry kid to scrap their media degree. 'r: major worry kid to scrap their media degree. ' r: t major worry kid to scrap their media degree. r: t media degree. and actually, you know, why don't you go and we should study sciences and become doctors. i'll say one quick rning. — doctors. i'll say one quick thing. would— doctors. i'll say one quick thing. would you- :t i'll say one quick thing. : doctors. i'll say one quick thing. would you say everyone should be choose what? should be able to choose what? well i'll just all pay well i'll say i'll just all pay for it. i that you don't

for it. i think that you don't have to. you shouldn't have to go have to. you shouldn't have to fie—be- go to university to be a success. and - go to university to be a success. and i- go to university to be a success. and i think along with roininking— success. and i think along with rethinking education, the rethinking higher education, the fact rethinking higher education, the tact-wo— rethinking higher education, the raoi-wo nay— rethinking higher education, the fact we pay apprentices the fact that we pay apprentices the minimum— fact that we pay apprentices thei nininun—in minimum wage for apprentices in this minimum wage for apprentices in inis-inink— minimum wage for apprentices in this-thinklabout- this country, i think is about nor-so. — this country, i think is about £4.50. - shocking. this country, i think is about £4.50. shocking what £4.50. it's crazy shocking what 16 £4.50. it's crazy shocking what io yoar— £4.50. it's crazy shocking what no yoar ori— £4.50. it's crazy shocking what 16 year old kid— £4.50. it's crazy shocking what 16 year old kid is— £4.50. it's crazy shocking what 16 year old kid is going to want to work— 16 year old kid is going to want to work for— 16 year old kid is going to want to work for that— 16 year old kid is going to want to work for that money. well, rook:— to work for that money. well, iook: in— to work for that money. well, iook: in a— to work for that money. well, look, in a few— to work for that money. well, look, in a few years you'll be a iriokiayor— look, in a few years you'll be a iriokiayor or— look, in a few years you'll be a bricklayer or you'll— look, in a few years you'll be a bricklayer or you'll an bricklayer or you'll be an electrician—bel bricklayer or you'll be an . electrician—be on electrician and you'll be on groar— electrician and you'll be on groar nony— electrician and you'll be on great money. 16— electrician and you'll be on great money. 16 year olds don't inink— great money. 16 year olds don't inink-rnar. — great money. 16 year olds don't think-that. in— great money. 16 year olds don't think-that. in .samel think like that. in the same way we're that university we're told that the university is the key to all is going to be the key to all of our future success. maybe our future success. then maybe they would. but isn't this yet anoinor— they would. but isn't this yet anoinor-in- they would. but isn't this yet another-in this- they would. but isn't this yet. another-in this country? another problem in this country? can—iony- another problem in this country? can—iony gut..- can trace back to tony blair, you— can trace back to tony blair, you-education,- can trace back to tony blair, you education, that can trace back to tony blair, you-education, that is you know, education, that man is aisoiuioiy—.- you know, education, that man is absolutely_. you- you know, education, that man is absolutely_. you can| absolutely unflushable. you can spray— absolutely unflushable. you can spray owory— absolutely unflushable. you can spray owory singio— absolutely unflushable. you can spray every single societal iony— spray every single societal issue, tony blair if you look nari— issue, tony blair if you look nari onougn— issue, tony blair if you look hard enough, but we need to also stop— hard enough, but we need to also stop stigmatising_ hard enough, but we need to also stop stigmatising people who, ioi-s— stop stigmatising people who, ioi-s-inoy-ro— stop stigmatising people who, let's-they're not- stop stigmatising people who, let's they're not made for let's say they're not made for no— let's say they're not made for no way— let's say they're not made for no way inat— let's say they're not made for the way that we _ let's say they're not made for the way that we are examined in sonoois— the way that we are examined in sonoois ai— the way that we are examined in schools at the— the way that we are examined in schools at the moment. that was the schools at the moment. that was rno-noini— schools at the moment. that was ino-noini or— schools at the moment. that was the-point of the- schools at the moment. that was the point of the grammar, schools at the moment. that was the grammarint of the grammar, schools at the moment. that was the grammar systemie grammar, schools at the moment. that was the grammar system stigmatising anon— the grammar system stigmatising anon-say— the grammar system stigmatising anon-say-tusil them go and say to them, just quay,— them go and say to them, just guiokiy:—iook:- them go and say to them, just quickly,-look, if- them go and say to them, just quickly, look, if you quickly, you know, look, if you do quickly, you know, look, if you io-io— quickly, you know, look, if you io-io go— quickly, you know, look, if you io-io go-gor- do want to go and get a oraoiioai— do want to go and get a practical trade, we should hold inat— practical trade, we should hold inai-osroon- practical trade, we should hold that-esteem .a - that in higher esteem as a sooiory— that in higher esteem as a sooiory-wo— that in higher esteem as a society we actually society than we actually do. inai-s— society than we actually do. that'slgrammar- society than we actually do.- that'slgrammar-goes that's a grammar system goes onoraioa— that's a grammar system goes onoraroi—oia. - that's a grammar system goes operated—old. kids operated at 11 years old. kids wno— operated at 11 years old. kids

who won— operated at 11 years old. kids who went ro— operated at 11 years old. kids who went to grammar school maybe went into more cognitive who went to grammar school maybe went into nfrom ognitive who went to grammar school maybe went into nfrom those le went who went to grammar school maybe wen'more nfrom those le went who went to grammar school maybe wen'more vocational;ele went into more vocational professions, went to technical school, schools. school, left grammar schools. yes. i think that, know, yes. i think that, you know, youo— yes. i think that, you know, youro—kios- yes. i think that, you know, you're—kids at. yes. i think that, you know, you're—kids at a| you're writing off kids at a youngor— you're writing off kids at a youngor ago— you're writing off kids at a younger age and it's not good for equity,— younger age and it's not good for equality, etcetera, oiooiora— for equality, etcetera, etcetera. but i don't i don't uniorsrani— etcetera. but i don't i don't understand that— etcetera. but i don't i don't understand that argument. i'll tell understand that argument. i'll tori—kignrsl understand that argument. i'lli tori—rights iiy tell you something. right? my business let, right? business is buy to let, right? i have properties i have a student properties and i rent to students. and rent them out to students. and so see. so i see as so i see. so i see as applications coming in mostly from overseas actually. and i've noficed noticed that the intake i get from and from africa and in asia and places like that, they don't come to do of courses come to do some of the courses that you're about. that you're talking about. they're to do they're they're coming to do stuff leads directly to stuff that leads directly to a job. at job. they're not doing it at fashionable as fashionable universities. as i went to places like staffordshire and staffordshire university and central lancashire and places like that, these aren't fashionable universities. they aren't, they aren't abbott league or abbott group universities, but they're choosing courses that lead directly work. whether directly to work. whether they do or go back do that work here or go back home it there. it's very home and do it there. it's very interesting because they're strategizing they're strategizing and they're making their pointed. but their choices more pointed. but aaron though, is your t trt:r t “car: but aaron though, is your argument inat— aaron though, is your argument inai-as— aaron though, is your argument inai-as rar— aaron though, is your argument that-as far as- aaron though, is your argument that-as far as the- that actually, as far as the tour— that actually, as far as the debt burden— that actually, as far as the debt burden is— that actually, as far as the debt burden is concerned, that we debt burden is concerned, that wo—roosl we should scrap certain fees aiiogoinor— we should scrap certain fees altogether for. _ we should scrap certain fees altogether for. t/rtuti :�* we should scrap certain fees altogether for. “cir?" "a: altogether for. yeah, i think we i think we have a national emergency with for

emergency with the nhs, for instance. with instance. so i think with nurses, think we should scrap nurses, i think we should scrap their debt and think their existing debt and i think we probably scrap tuition we should probably scrap tuition fees subjects. fees for certain subjects. people would agree with on people would agree with you on inat— people would agree with you on inn-nonr— that, but i don't see why a hairdresser— that, but i don't see why a hairdresser in— that, but i don't see why a hairdresser in kendal be hairdresser in kendal should be paying— hairdresser in kendal should be paying-sruionr- hairdresser in kendal should be paying-student-ofl paying for the student loan of someone _well- paying for the student loan of someone _well in- someone doing well in knightsbridge, example. well knightsbridge, for example. well you an— knightsbridge, for example. well you say— knightsbridge, for example. well you say inat— knightsbridge, for example. well you can say that about any nuiiio— you can say that about any ouiiio-you- you can say that about anyi nuiiio-you-say public service you could say anar— public service you could say that-transport- that around transport infrastructure. that infrastructure. you can say that about because point about the nhs, because the point is i'm going have is drive. but i'm going to have to stop— is drive. but i'm going to have to stop-inoro.— is drive. but i'm going to have to stop-there. well,- r: t but i'm going to have to stop there. well, they to stop you there. well, they nigni— to stop you there. well, they nigni-on— to stop you there. well, they might-on that- to stop you there. well, they might on that note. oh might use it on that note. oh siiii— might use it on that note. oh sriii anon:— might use it on that note. oh still ahead, last— might use it on that note. oh still ahead, last but not least, mav— still ahead, last but not least, nayltusr— still ahead, last but not least, may just sociology may i just say that sociology i asni— may i just say that sociology ii wasn't—sociology. wasn't slagging off sociology. i wasn't slagging off sociology. i-saying— wasn't slagging off sociology. i-saying anar- wasn't slagging off sociology. i-saying that it's- wasn't slagging off sociology. i-saying that it's not. wasn't slagging off sociology. ilhighisaying that it's not. wasn't slagging off sociology. i high earningig that it's not wasn't slagging off sociology. i high earning degree it's not wasn't slagging off sociology. i high earning degree ifs not wasn't slagging off sociology. i high earning degree if yout a high earning degree if you look at the stats. anyway, still ahead, but not least, ahead, last but not least, patrick to tell why patrick is going to tell us why asylum seekers refuse asylum seekers who refuse accommodation asylum seekers who refuse accommoortion asylum seekers who refuse accommoor study sociology with deported or study sociology with the saturday live on gb the saturday five live on gb news is .

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tonight's topics. claire says , tonight's topics. claire says, in my day, students didn't get loans . they took jobs to pay loans. they took jobs to pay their through university their way through university that also got a work that way. they also got a work ethic and says this is an absolutely superb panel and your fiver is in the post among reason appears totally unscripted and just great. freddie says your programs are all fab, including all your presenters. but since recently starting to watch gb news patrick gets the victoria cross. for me, that's an outrage . he's for me, that's an outrage. he's already got a big enough- 3 he's already got a big enough head. inank— already got a big enough head. inank you. — already got a big enough head. thank you. well,— already got a big enough head. thank you. �*tfiirtgt “rig already got a big enough head. thank you. �*tfiirtgt "rig c thank you. well, hey, now it's time. it's thank you. well, hey, now it's time . it's time thank you. well, hey, now it's time. it's time for— thank you. well, hey, now it's time. it's time for our- thank you. �*tfiirtgt "rig c c it's time for our next time. it's time for our next rotato— time. it's time for our next ioiaio. kni— time. it's time for our next debate. and it's— c it's time for our next debate. and it's not on the size of ranks— debate. and it's not on the size of patrick's head— debate. and it's not on the size of patrick's head .— debate. and it's not on the size of patrick's head . up next is of patrick's head. up next is iairiok— of patrick's head. up next is patrick. what— of patrick's head. up next is patrick. what you tell us about the patrick. what you tell us about no asyiun — patrick. what you tell us about the asylum seekers refuse accommodation option and why inoy— accommodation option and why rnoy snouia— accommodation option and why they should simply be deport it. it's they should simply be deport it. its rino— they should simply be deport it. its rino for— they should simply be deport it. it's time for christie's kicks off. — it's time for christie's kicks off. okay. — it's time for christie's kicks off. okay. all— it's time for christie's kicks off. okay. all right. - it's time for christie's kicks off. [its/sq t g it's time for christie's kicks off. g off. okay. all right. so people who refuse to live in taxpayer funded, perfectly legal , funded, perfectly legal, perfectly serviceable hotels should be given some choices. we'll fly you straight home. okay? we'll take you to rwanda

or. and or you can video your mates on the other side of the channel and tell them not to bother because it's clearly awful. here we have a situation at where asylum at the moment where asylum seekers off big time seekers are kicking off big time because don't want to live because they don't want to live in the kind of accommodation that veterans that homeless military veterans would absolutely love to be housed in. wi—fi food, bed board and a little bit of an allowance. take a look at this . allowance. take a look at this. and why do they not like this notor— and why do they not like this noroi o — and why do they not like this hotel .7 this— and why do they not like this hotel .7 this hotel- and why do they not like this hotel .7 this hotel is- and why do they not like this hotel ? :�* g: hotel? this hotel is not good. really. have too much rooms , really. have too much rooms, very small bathroom, too small . very small bathroom, too small. yeah, too much. i'm so sorry about— yeah, too much. i'm so sorry about inan— yeah, too much. i'm so sorry about that. that's- yeah, too much. i'm so sorry about that. that's really, roaiiy— about that. that's really, really shocking that the iarnroon — really shocking that the bathroom is— really shocking that the bathroom is too small. but you navo— bathroom is too small. but you nawo iii—ri— bathroom is too small. but you nawo iii—ii .— bathroom is too small. but you have wi—fi .-yeah,- bathroom is too small. but you. have wi—fi .-yeah,-have have wi—fi. yeah. yeah, you have iii—ii.— have wi—fi. yeah. yeah, you have iii—ri-wi—ri— have wi—fi. yeah. yeah, you have iii—ri-iii—ri is— have wi—fi. yeah. yeah, you have wi—fi.-wi—fi is a- have wi—fi. yeah. yeah, you have wi—fi. wi—fi is a good or wi—fi. wi—fi wi—fi is a good or nai— wi—fi. wi—fi wi—fi is a good or ban for— wi—fi. wi—fi wi—fi is a good or iaa roryouo— wi—fi. wi—fi wi—fi is a good or bad for you? yeah.— wi—fi. wi—fi wi—fi is a good or bad for you? yeah. £8. so you get— bad for you? yeah. £8. so you goi os— bad for you? yeah. £8. so you goi no a— bad for you? yeah. £8. so you got no a wook— bad for you? yeah. £8. so you get £8 a week plus food plus accommodation— get £8 a week plus food plus accommodation .— get £8 a week plus food plus accommodation . you get free accommodation. you get free iii—ii.— accommodation. you get free wi—ri. nur— accommodation. you get free wi—fi. but the— accommodation. you get free wi—fi. but the wi—fi is a bit stow.— wi—fi. but the wi—fi is a bit siow. in— wi—fi. but the wi—fi is a bit siow. m sorry— wi—fi. but the wi—fi is a bit slow. i'm sorry about that . slow. i'm sorry about that. uro-ii— slow. i'm sorry about that. work try— slow. i'm sorry about that. work try ana— slow. i'm sorry about that. we'll try and see if we can help . kos— we'll try and see if we can help . kos. rooki— we'll try and see if we can help . yes. well there— we'll try and see if we can help . yes. well there we— we'll try and see if we can help . yes. well there we go. okay. i

ono— . yes. well there we go. okay. i mean, the reality is that the european union is treating asylum seekers worse than we are . and these people in many cases have travelled across to two continents and they clearly have not been happy with the treatment anyway . where they've treatment anyway. where they've gone, they are not asylum seekers in my view. they are asylum shoppers. so those are my views. okay, aaron, what do you think ? it was a strange video, think? it was a strange video, nur— think? it was a strange video, but wnai— think? it was a strange video, but wnar ii— think? it was a strange video, but what i'd say— think? it was a strange video, but what i'd say to— “57 it was a strange video, but what i'd say to you, pang,— but what i'd say to you, patrick, is— but what i'd say to you, patrick, is those young people , patrick, is those young people, youngisn— patrick, is those young people, youngish pewter— patrick, is those young people, youngish people, they're in a roaiiy— youngish people, they're in a really strange— youngish people, they're in a really strange situation. they can-i— really strange situation. they out work.— really strange situation. they can't work. yeah,— really strange situation. they can't work. yeah, they can't earn money. they can't access ino— earn money. they can't access no kings— earn money. they can't access no kinds of— earn money. they can't access the kinds of things which give us self—respect— the kinds of things which give us self—respect .— the kinds of things which give us self—respect . and i feel us self—respect. and i feel gt...— us self—respect. and i feel are, okay:— us self—respect. and i feel are, okay: i— us self—respect. and i feel like, okay, it seems strange to say— like, okay, it seems strange to say it— like, okay, it seems strange to say it you-wo— like, okay, it seems strange to say if you've been— like, okay, it seems strange to say if you've been in sangatte or a camp— say if you've been in sangatte or a sang oiry— say if you've been in sangatte or a camp city in— say if you've been in sangatte or a camp city in in france and say:— or a camp city in in france and say: war,— or a camp city in in france and say, well, actually— or a camp city in in france and say, well, actually this room in contrai— say, well, actually this room in central london _ say, well, actually this room in central london isn't good onougn. — central london isn't good onougn. nui— central london isn't good enough. but i— central london isn't good enough. but i can absolutely see why— enough. but i can absolutely see wny rnoy— enough. but i can absolutely see wny rnoy wouia — enough. but i can absolutely see why they would be— enough. but i can absolutely see why they would be miserable, ooorossoi. — why they would be miserable, depressed. and— why they would be miserable, depressed. and do depressed. and i do think a significant— depressed. and i do think a significant amount that could significant amount of that could be significant amount of that could no niiigaioi— significant amount of that could no nirigaroa ny— significant amount of that could be mitigated by letting them work. — be mitigated by letting them work. vou— be mitigated by letting them work. you think_ be mitigated by letting them work. /rt:r : be mitigated by letting them work. /rt:r work. you think you should let them my argument with that them work? my argument with that

would be that we don't know who a these people are or a lot of these people are or necessarily where necessarily exactly where they've there will necessarily exactly where the some there will necessarily exactly where the some security there will necessarily exactly where the some security issues here will necessarily exactly where the some security issues at 'e will necessarily exactly where the some security issues at playl be some security issues at play there would be my there as well. that would be my primary concern. they as primary concern. they do work as work.— primary concern. they do work as work. inoy— primary concern. they do work as work. inoy-io— primary concern. they do work as work. inoy-io ir— primary concern. they do work as well. they-do it on- primary concern. they do work as well. they-do it on and- “by t t they do work as well. they do it on and we well. they just do it on and we navo— well. they just do it on and we havelwork_ well. they just do it on and we have lwork-system- well. they just do it on and we have work system and that have a work visa system and that wouii— have a work visa system and that wouii-a— have a work visa system and that wouii-a ioiai— have a work visa system and that would a total mockery of would make a total mockery of rnar. — would make a total mockery of rnar. ir— would make a total mockery of that. if anyone,— would make a total mockery of that. if anyone, if— would make a total mockery of that. if anyone, if you- would make a total mockery of that. �*" �*" :rt:r“ that. if anyone, if you jump on a and cross the channel, a dinghy and cross the channel, then work here with no then you can work here with no problems. is problems. i think what is ridiculous with you ridiculous and i agree with you on is just how long on this one, is just how long they are kept these they are being kept in these hotels. absolutely. they knew hotels. absolutely. if they knew that to three that it was going to be three months, got yes no, months, you've got a yes no, then wouldn't be then they probably wouldn't be kicking fuss. but kicking up this fuss. right. but they more it. i they should make more of it. i think we should seriously be purring— think we should seriously be putting wiaoo— think we should seriously be putting video like that out and ioaning— putting video like that out and- beaming—channel, beaming them across the channel, ioauso— beaming them across the channel, iooausolnoonio— beaming them across the channel, because people seriously beaming them across the channel, becalthat people seriously beaming them across the channel, becalthat peris! seriously beaming them across the channel, becalthat perls aieriously beaming them across the channel, becalthat perls a land sly beaming them across the channel, becalthat perls a land of think that this is a land of niik— think that this is a land of niik-nonoy- think that this is a land of milk-honey-i'ml think that this is a land of milk honey i'm not milk and honey and i'm not surnrisoa— milk and honey and i'm not surprised given— milk and honey and i'm not surprised given the that in surprised given the fact that in some cases, like— surprised given the fact that in some cases, like in greece, rnoy-ro— some cases, like in greece, they're then they're kept on islands and then inoy— they're kept on islands and then inoy-okay— they're kept on islands and then inoy-okay you-wo- they're kept on islands and then they okay, you've been they are told, okay, you've been granioi— granted refugee, your asylum siaius— granted refugee, your asylum status—nays- granted refugee, your asylum status—iays ioi status, you've got 30 days to get— status, you've got 30 days to got-or— status, you've got 30 days to got-or noro — status, you've got 30 days to get-of here with- status, you've got 30 days to get of here with real get out of here with no real oanono— get out of here with no real onanoo-toi— get out of here with no real chance .job or- get out of here with no real chance job or anything to chance of a job or anything to nasioaiiy— basically a homeless. so they nowoi— basically a homeless. so they nowoi-on— basically a homeless. so they moved-on,-wouldj basically a homeless. so they. moved-on,-would be moved them on, which would be absolutely—ml absolutely advertising some of this— absolutely advertising some of this-say,— absolutely advertising some of this-say, took,— absolutely advertising some of this say, look, you're not this and say, look, you're not going— this and say, look, you're not going-be— this and say, look, you're not going-be happy,- this and say, look, you're not going be happy, so don't going to be happy, so don't bother— going to be happy, so don't bother lot bother coming. but also a lot of people pointed that people have pointed out that they love live in

they would love to live in central london in zone one. pimlico, the most pimlico, one of the most expensive country. expensive areas of the country. and have strange, and we have this strange, bizarre situation have bizarre situation where you have asylum seekers in prime property, real estate in central london. well more and more people are having to move out and out and out and out and out. and tell you what, the sight and i tell you what, the sight of actually, that the of reading actually, that the home officials went in home office officials went in after this protest and after seeing this protest and thought, well, we've got to deal with this. what about a whole host— with this. what about a whole host-problems— with this. what about a whole host-problems that- what about a whole host problems that we've got host of problems that we've got going— host of problems that we've got going-where— host of problems that we've got going-where-aren't. going on where crimes aren't being— going on where crimes aren't being investigated? know , being investigated? you know, got— being investigated? you know, got taw— being investigated? you know, we've got law and order running amok— we've got law and order running amok in— we've got law and order running amok in this— we've got law and order running amok in this country. if you amok in this country. but if you come here illegally, rock up and say come here illegally, rock up and soy you-o— come here illegally, rock up and soy you-o noo— come here illegally, rock up and say you're not happy with your your— say you're not happy with your your grub— say you're not happy with your your grub or— say you're not happy with your your grub or your— say you're not happy with your your grub or your the your grub or your wi—fi, the home— your grub or your wi—fi, the home office— your grub or your wi—fi, the home office will— your grub or your wi—fi, the home office will come out and sort— home office will come out and sort it— home office will come out and sort it out— home office will come out and sort it ouo-you. — home office will come out and sort it out-you. no- sort it out for you. no questions. - sort it out for you. no questions. i- sort it out for you. no questions. 91; sort it out for you. no questions. 9::. sort it out for you. no- questions. i get i mean, i was dead against the iraq war and i think made amount of think we made a huge amount of mistakes afghanistan. so i'm mistakes in afghanistan. so i'm not the fact that not disputing the fact that there people in those there are people in those countries you countries who do need help. you know, he's iraqi. that's just know, if he's iraqi. that's just what what i do what he said. but what i do know, what i do know is that there are people who fought for this iraq in this country in iraq and in afghanistan are homeless.

this country in iraq and in afghthere|n are homeless. this country in iraq and in afghthere are are homeless. this country in iraq and in afghthere are people 1omeless. this country in iraq and in afghthere are people fromless. this country in iraq and in afghthere are people from those and there are people from those countries who we are giving free hotels to. i would say, look, just to add to what people have already said here, i think it's partly i said, can't partly like i said, it can't work. a miserable work. it's a very miserable oxioonooo — work. it's a very miserable existence. but— it's a very miserable existence. but also it's not noo— existence. but also it's not like-prison- existence. but also it's not. like-prison because, existence. but also it's not- like-prison because, of like being in prison because, of oourooou—v- like being in prison because, of oourooou—v oonl course, you can leave. you can you— course, you can leave. you can you on— course, you can leave. you can you w...— course, you can leave. you can you can walk-but- course, you can leave. you can you can walk but that you can walk around. but that poo— you can walk around. but that process-several- you can walk around. but that process several years , process being several years, again,— process being several years, .g... n— process being several years, again, it must— process being several years, again, it must be incredibly miserable.— again, it must be incredibly miserable. there's again, it must be incredibly miserable-there's of miserable. and there's a part of memo—my- miserable. and there's a part of mo—momy of- miserable. and there's a part of m—momy of youl miserable. and there's a part of. mom—moo of you guys me and i'm sure many of you guys mom—mm- might disagree with this, moo-o— might disagree with this, memos-of- might disagree with this, there's-of me- might disagree with this, there's of me that might disagree with this,- there's-of me that thinks there's a part of me that thinks there's a part of me that thinks mo tomes— there's a part of me that thinks the tories want— there's a part of me that thinks the tories want this process to be the tories want this process to po—omo- the tories want this process to po—omo long- the tories want this process to- be_and long winded the tories want this process to bbecause and long winded the tories want this process to bbecause fundamentally,] winded the tories want this process to bbecause fundamentally, the1ded , because fundamentally, the moo-mo— , because fundamentally, the more _the issue - , because fundamentally, the more the issue of more we have the issue of illegal— more we have the issue of illegal migration us up the up the illegal migration us up the up mo smoo— illegal migration us up the up the issues in— illegal migration us up the up the issues in terms of the most oouom— the issues in terms of the most salient issue,— the issues in terms of the most salient issue, it— the issues in terms of the most salient issue, it plays very wou— salient issue, it plays very well for— salient issue, it plays very well for us. _ salient issue, it plays very well for us. but- salient issue, it plays very well for us. but i think you mom— well for us. but i think you mpom po— well for us. but i think you might be right,— well for us. but i think you might be right, i'm not. might be right, but i'm not. rm— might be right, but i'm not. rm moo.— might be right, but i'm not. rm moo. so— might be right, but i'm not. rm moo. so i— might be right, but i'm not. i'm not. so i think- might be right, but i'm not. so i think the numbers, i'm not. so i think the numbers, the i'm not. so i think the numbers, mo momops— i'm not. so i think the numbers, the numbers of— so i think the numbers, the numbers of immigration, the moment— the numbers of immigration, the mom of— the numbers of immigration, the treatment of immigration is as it treatment of immigration is as mlpooooso— treatment of immigration is as it because government's it is, because government's successive governments over the ooso—opsomoooyl last 20, 25 years are absolutely happy—and- last 20, 25 years are absolutely poppy—and om- last 20, 25 years are absolutely poppy—and om yourl happy where it is. and on your pomp— happy where it is. and on your pom-m— happy where it is. and on your pom-m mo— happy where it is. and on your point it, the inability to point about it, the inability to work— point about it, the inability to work-mmo— point about it, the inability to work-think that- point about it, the inability to work think that is work back, i think that is ooooouy— work back, i think that is actually counterproductive work back, i think that is actually that'szrproductive work back, i think that is actually that'szrprodltheye work back, i think that is actually that'szrprodlthey drift because that's when they drift moo—.— because that's when they drift moo—. moo-s- into criminality. that's when moo— into criminality. that's when moo-oomo— into criminality. that's wheni they-doing-that's they start doing drugs. that's whom— they start doing drugs. that's. when—involved when they start getting involved in when they start getting involved m—mpom- when they start getting involved m—mpom oooi in anything else they might get involved— in anything else they might get involved m— in anything else they might get involved in and—

in anything else they might get involved in and causing problems involved in and causing problems m—omos.— involved in and causing problems m—omos. so— involved in and causing problems in_cities. so you- in towns and cities. so you womom-o— in towns and cities. so you wouldn't want— in towns and cities. so you wouldn't want to in towns and cities. so you wouldn't want-to no, wouldn't want them to work? no, i i wouldn't want them to work? no, p-p womo— wouldn't want them to work? no, p-p woooo oo— wouldn't want them to work? no, i-i would do want- wouldn't want them to work? no, i i would do want them i think no, i would do want them to i think no, i would do want them oo—okoy.— i think no, i would do want them oo—okoy. yeom- to work. yeah. okay. yeah. i'm going— to work. yeah. okay. yeah. i'm going- _ to work. yeah. okay. yeah. i'm going- ooo— to work. yeah. okay. yeah. i'm going my7 why to work. yeah. okay. yeah. i'm- going- but why? why have going to be. but why? why have worker— going to be. but why? why have worker-because.- going to be. but why? why have worker-because.ibecause| worker visas? because. because moo-s— worker visas? because. because that's because a lot that's the thing. because a lot of people across the of people come across the channel now are from india, for example, imply example, which would imply to me, easy me, given that it's quite easy to for if you're to get a visa for if you're coming india, that they coming from india, that they are people an people who would not meet an economic threshold. right. economic threshold. all right. we're going to have to leave it there. personally,| think there. personally, i don't think it's there. personally, i don't think rr-s—weu- there. personally, i don't think rr-s—wekk for- there. personally, i don't think it's—well for thei it's going to work well for the ropes— it's going to work well for the ropes-r— it's going to work well for the tories-i think- it's going to work well for the tories i think they're tories because i think they're going— tories because i think they're going-clobbered- tories because i think they're going clobbered the going to be clobbered at the merr— going to be clobbered at the next election— going to be clobbered at the next election over this very rssoeeem-p- next election over this very issue. been another issue. but it's been another oreor—ror- issue. but it's been another- great_for watching great show. cheers for watching rmoo — great show. cheers for watching rmoo—reokkyl linda says. great show, really emerrommo— linda says. great show, really emeomorep— linda says. great show, really enten more can— linda says. great show, really enten more can we say to what more can we say to that? nem— what more can we say to that? nero op,— what more can we say to that? nero up-pokom— what more can we say to that? next up, dolan. cheers for next up, mark dolan. cheers for worommo. — next up, mark dolan. cheers for watching. _evening.- next up, mark dolan. cheers for watching. " 9 next up, mark dolan. cheers for. watching. _evening. i'm greg watching. good evening. i'm greg dewhurst welcome your dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. it quite chilly it does turn quite chilly tonight, high pressure tonight, but with high pressure in charge, plenty of in charge, we'll see plenty of sunshine through sunday and temperatures climbing particularly in the west high pressure centre just to the north of us means the wind still coming in from the northeast. so eastern coast a little bit chilly , but further west, chilly, but further west, temperatures remaining above average the time of year.

temperatures remaining above average the time of year . so average for the time of year. so fine end to the day we will see some low cloud across northeast scotland and also eastern england feeding slowly back inland, making its way towards the midlands during early the midlands during the early hours. but there'll be lots of dry around clear skies dry weather around clear skies in the west and we could see a few shallow and patches few shallow mist and fog patches and temperatures dipping into single figures. so yes, a chilly start to sunday morning, but for many sunny start. we have many a sunny start. we do have low and eastern low cloud. central and eastern parts. this slowly burns back towards the coast, i think eastern parts of scotland, the towards the east coast of england could see some low cloud at times. and with that northeasterly breeze, it will be quite chilly. temperatures struggling there, 13 struggling grimsby there, 13 degrees. come further west, degrees. but come further west, temperatures into the low temperatures rising into the low 20s locally, 25 degrees is possible , say for parts of west possible, say for parts of west wales into the evening time and plenty of dry weather to come. maybe an isolated shower across scotland, but most places dry and then overnight we see the low cloud pushing back in from

the north sea, thicker and lower. and this could just produce a few spots of drizzle though. western areas staying dry and clear once more and temperatures again into single figures . so a temperatures again into single figures. so a bit of a westie split to start monday morning. sunny skies towards northern ireland, scotland, west wales, the west country. elsewhere quite cloudy. but again, the cloud through the day should lift and break and slowly retreat towards the coast. it might take its time and temperatures rising to the mid 20s in the west and tuesday and wednesday staying very similar . wednesday staying very similar. further sunshine and high temperatures .

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