nana akua. for the next few hours , me and my panel will be hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines now. taking on some of the big topics hittirshowz headlines now. taking on some of the big topics hittirshowz h all lines now. taking on some of the big topics hittirshowz h all about now. taking on some of the big topics hittirshowz h all about opinionl. taking on some of the big topics hittirshowz h all about opinion . this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course yours . we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating discussing, debating and discussing, and at times but no times we will disagree, but no one be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me the next hour joining me in the next hour going head is gb news going head to head is gb news senior political commentator nigel and also former nigel nelson. and also former brexit party mep ben habib. and then from between 4 and 6, nigel will stay here and i'll be joined by broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but before we get started , let's get before we get started, let's get your latest headlines . your latest news headlines. good afternoon. it's 3:00. here-s— good afternoon. it's 3:00. here-s the— good afternoon. it's 3:00. here's the latest from the newsroom. a _ here's the latest from the newsroom. a man has been charged after— newsroom. a man has been charged after allegedly— newsroom. a man has been charged after allegedly wearing a shirt to the— after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa— after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa cup— after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa cup final which appeared— to the fa cup final which appeared ee— to the fa cup final which appeared to have an offensive reererreer re — appeared to have an offensive reference to the— appeared to have an offensive reference to the hillsborough ereeerer. — reference to the hillsborough ereeerer. ee— reference to the hillsborough disaster. 33 year— reference to the hillsborough disaster. 33 year old james were— disaster. 33 year old james were from — disaster. 33 year old james white from warwickshire has been charged— white from warwickshire has been charged with— white from warwickshire has been charged with displaying, threatening— charged with displaying, threatening or abusive writing. hee— threatening or abusive writing. re-e expected— threatening or abusive writing. he's expected to— threatening or abusive writing. he's expected to appear at

wrueeeerr— he's expected to appear at willesden magistrates court next week.— willesden magistrates court next week. 97— willesden magistrates court next week. 97 liverpool— willesden magistrates court next week. 97 liverpool fans died in rese— week. 97 liverpool fans died in me er— week. 97 liverpool fans died in 1989 at hillsborough stadium in seemed— 1989 at hillsborough stadium in sherrrere .— 1989 at hillsborough stadium in sheffield . indian— 1989 at hillsborough stadium in sheffield . indian authorities sheffield. indian authorities say— sheffield. indian authorities say a— sheffield. indian authorities eey e egret— sheffield. indian authorities say a signal problem was likely reeperrerbre— say a signal problem was likely responsible for— say a signal problem was likely responsible for the country's were— responsible for the country's were trem— responsible for the country's worst train crash— responsible for the country's worst train crash in decades . worst train crash in decades. rear-e— worst train crash in decades. rear-e ee— worst train crash in decades. that's as the _ worst train crash in decades. that's as the death toll has now been— that's as the death toll has now been revised— that's as the death toll has now been revised down— that's as the death toll has now been revised down to 275 people. another— been revised down to 275 people. arrerrrer noo— been revised down to 275 people. another 1200 were _ been revised down to 275 people. another 1200 were injured when a passenger— another 1200 were injured when a peeeerrger rrerrr— another1200 were injured when a passenger train hit— another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary freem— passenger train hit a stationary tretght treh— passenger train hit a stationary freight train before derailing ent— freight train before derailing eht etrtthe— freight train before derailing and striking a— freight train before derailing and striking a second passing the— and striking a second passing treh .— and striking a second passing treh . hrtrhe— and striking a second passing train . prime minister narendra train. prime minister narendra mett— train. prime minister narendra rhett ,— train. prime minister narendra rhett whe— train. prime minister narendra modi , who faces— train. prime minister narendra modi , who faces re—election next modi, who faces re—election next year— modi, who faces re—election next year, erre— modi, who faces re—election next vearr eeye these— modi, who faces re—election next year, says those found guilty wttt— year, says those found guilty wttt he— year, says those found guilty will be punished . the will be punished. the immigration minister has told gb newe— immigration minister has told gb news rte— immigration minister has told gb news tt-e wrong— immigration minister has told gb news it's wrong for migrants to demand— news it's wrong for migrants to demand better— news it's wrong for migrants to demand better hotel accommodation while waiting for her— accommodation while waiting for thetr eeyturh — accommodation while waiting for their asylum claims to be processed— their asylum claims to be processed .— their asylum claims to be processed . it's- their asylum claims to be processed . it's after a protest processed. it's after a protest ehertet— processed. it's after a protest was sparked in— processed. it's after a protest was sparked in london by rhterehte— was sparked in london by migrants being asked to sleep terr— migrants being asked to sleep tour te— migrants being asked to sleep tour to e— migrants being asked to sleep four to a room.— migrants being asked to sleep four to a room. speaking to cerhttte— four to a room. speaking to camilla tominey, robert jenrick sett— camilla tominey, robert jenrick eett the— camilla tominey, robert jenrick said the government will never put her— said the government will never put their interests— said the government will never put their interests above the hrttteh—

put their interests above the british public.— put their interests above the british public. he also said that— british public. he also said that sharing— british public. he also said that sharing hotel rooms is necessary te— that sharing hotel rooms is necessary to get value for taxpayers— necessary to get value for taxpayers money. member these are taxpayers money. member these rhterehte— taxpayers money. member these are migrants who _ taxpayers money. member these are migrants who have said they are migrants who have said they are destitute. _ are migrants who have said they are destitute. "er r: are migrants who have said they are destitute. r: are destitute. they've said that they have absolutely nowhere to stay. no friends, no family, no money, and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation and board and lodgings. and so those i think those migrants are wrong to protest and say that they deserve to have single bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common sense seems to have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told gb news that victims are too scared to complain about sexual predators in parliament. charlotte nichols tott— in parliament. charlotte nichols tett cerhttte— in parliament. charlotte nichols told camilla tominey— " charlotte nichols told camilla tominey that harass hereeerheht— told camilla tominey that harass hereeerheht te— told camilla tominey that harass harassment is baked into every three— harassment is baked into every ehgte hert— harassment is baked into every ehgte pert et— harassment is baked into every single part of how westminster eheretee. — single part of how westminster eperetee. she— single part of how westminster operates. she also accused the ether— operates. she also accused the teheur partr— operates. she also accused the labour party of— operates. she also accused the labour party of choosing not to act eh— labour party of choosing not to act on concerns— labour party of choosing not to act on concerns raised about a hurherh— act on concerns raised about a hurherh et— act on concerns raised about a number of colleagues over a very tene— number of colleagues over a very tehg heret— number of colleagues over a very tehg hertet. her— number of colleagues over a very long period. her comments come the— long period. her comments come etter she— long period. her comments come after she revealed— long period. her comments come after she revealed being handed

after she revealed being handed a het— after she revealed being handed a ttet et— after she revealed being handed a ttet oh so— after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps_ after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps that she should trott— a list of 30 mps that she should avert when— a list of 30 mps that she should avoid when she— a list of 30 mps that she should avoid when she first became an mp avoid when she first became an ht . — avoid when she first became an ht . rte— avoid when she first became an mp . it's happened— avoid when she first became an mp . it's happened to- avoid when she first became an mp. it's happened to me in meetings during the middle of the working day. i've had eetteeguee— the working day. i've had colleagues who- the working day. i've had colleagues who do- g at? i've had colleagues who do things like heppreprtete— colleagues who do things like inappropriate touching , you inappropriate touching, you thew,— inappropriate touching, you thew, ther— inappropriate touching, you know, their hand on your leg or on your— know, their hand on your leg or on your teet— know, their hand on your leg or on your back or— know, their hand on your leg or on your back or making comments tewerte— on your back or making comments tewerte yer— on your back or making comments terrerte yer ent— on your back or making comments towards you and on— on your back or making comments towards you and on someone that as towards you and on someone that he ._ towards you and on someone that he . tart,— towards you and on someone that as i said, within— towards you and on someone that as i said, within the— towards you and on someone that as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster— as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster is— as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster is relatively protected— of westminster is relatively preteetet hy— of westminster is relatively protected by virtue of being an mp protected by virtue of being an ht .— protected by virtue of being an ht . se— protected by virtue of being an ht . so herr— protected by virtue of being an mp . so how much worse it must be mp. so how much worse it must be if mp. so how much worse it must be h yer-e— mp. so how much worse it must be if you're someone— mp. so how much worse it must be if you're someone who has less power— if you're someone who has less power h— if you're someone who has less power he the— if you're someone who has less power in the institution , where power in the institution, where youe— power in the institution, where you're more likely— power in the institution, where you're more likely to experience it you're more likely to experience tt ont— you're more likely to experience tt oht eeh— you're more likely to experience it and even less— you're more likely to experience it and even less able to speak out— it and even less able to speak out when— it and even less able to speak out when ht— it and even less able to speak out when it happens . 37” out when it happens. the prime hthhter— out when it happens. the prime minister is stressing the importance of a close and candid relationship with the us president ahead of his visit to the white house next week . rishi the white house next week. rishi sunakis the white house next week. rishi sunak is expected to attend a baseball game in washington, dc pnor baseball game in washington, dc prior to talks with joe biden . prior to talks with joe biden. he'll also be meeting business executives in an attempt to build closer economic ties between the two countries. more

than 2600 nhs staff in scotland have taken time off work due to long covid, with some off sick for more than two years. that's according to freedom of information requests by the scottish liberal democrats . the scottish liberal democrats. the scottish liberal democrats. the scottish government says it's investing £10 million into the long covid support fund . the long covid support fund. the duke of sussex will appear at the high court tomorrow to give evidence against the publisher of the daily mirror over alleged unlawful information gathering. harry claims that around 140 published articles contained information gathered using unlawful methods, including phone hacking. mirror group newspapers is contesting the claims . royal correspondent claims. royal correspondent michael cole says it will be very unusual to see a royal on the witness stand . a royal the witness stand. a royal prince the witness stand. a royal hrhee gothg— the witness stand. a royal prince going into- the witness stand. a royal prince going into the- a royal prince going into the witness hoo— prince going into the witness to to— prince going into the witness to to the— prince going into the witness box to give evidence in a very eohtehttoue— box to give evidence in a very contentious case— box to give evidence in a very contentious case against mirror troup— contentious case against mirror group newspapers . that hasn't

group newspapers. that hasn't happened— group newspapers. that hasn't happened eer— group newspapers. that hasn't happened ever since the 19th century.— happened ever since the 19th century. rt— happened ever since the 19th century. t he— happened ever since the 19th century. it is unprecedented. i there-e— century. it is unprecedented. i mean, there's nothing in the hrttteh— mean, there's nothing in the british constitution that says a royot— british constitution that says a royot prhee— british constitution that says a royal prince cannot give evttehee— royal prince cannot give evttehee or— royal prince cannot give evidence or cannot be called to the— evidence or cannot be called to the o— evidence or cannot be called to the o uttheee— evidence or cannot be called to give a witness, to— evidence or cannot be called to give a witness, to be a witness . aru— give a witness, to be a witness . art tour— give a witness, to be a witness . and four children- give a witness, to be a witness . and four children have- give a witness, to be a witness . and four children have died. and a man is missing in canada after they were swept into a river in quebec. police say the group were fishing when the incident happened. the children , who were all over the age of ten were found unresponsive on the shore. six other people have been rescued . this is gb news. been rescued. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. let's get straight back to nana . to nana. hello welcome. this to hone.— hello welcome. this is gb news. we hello welcome. this is gb news. re re— hello welcome. this is gb news. we the— hello welcome. this is gb news. we are the people's— welcome. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm horo— we are the people's channel. i'm the akua.— we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now— we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now before we get stuck— nana akua. now before we get stuck hto— nana akua. now before we get stuck into the— nana akua. now before we get stuck into the debates in the hert— stuck into the debates in the next hour— stuck into the debates in the next hour ,— stuck into the debates in the next hour , let— stuck into the debates in the next hour , let me introduce you next hour, let me introduce you to-hohet.— next hour, let me introduce you to-panel. they're- next hour, let me introduce you to panel. they're going head to my panel. they're going head to my panel. they're going head to-iohhg—

to my panel. they're going head to-iohhg rhe— to my panel. they're going head to joining me, senior to head joining me, senior potttteot— to head joining me, senior political commentator nigel heteoh— political commentator nigel nelson allison,— political commentator nigel nelson allison, member reform nelson allison, member of reform and nelson allison, member of reform the torrher— nelson allison, member of reform and former mep— nelson allison, member of reform and former mep ben habib. they-ht— and former mep ben habib. they-tt he— and former mep ben habib. they'll be going head to head in a they'll be going head to head in tooth— they'll be going head to head in a clash-minds— they'll be going head to head in a clash-minds-up- a clash of minds coming up today— a clash of minds coming up today,-seekers- a clash of minds coming up today, seekers were a clash of minds coming up- today,-seekers were seen today, asylum seekers were seen proteethe— today, asylum seekers were seen proteethg oh— today, asylum seekers were seen protesting on the— today, asylum seekers were seen protesting on the street because they— protesting on the street because they hot— protesting on the street because they hot to— protesting on the street because they had to share— protesting on the street because they had to share rooms at the htrhtteo— they had to share rooms at the htrhtteo oomp— they had to share rooms at the pimlico camp and— they had to share rooms at the pimlico camp and i actually want to tough.— pimlico camp and i actually want to tough. ._ pimlico camp and i actually want to tough. . ooh-t— pimlico camp and i actually want to laugh. i can't quite believe the.— to laugh. i can't quite believe the. the— to laugh. i can't quite believe the. the ot— to laugh. i can't quite believe this. one of-i- to laugh. i can't quite believe this. one of i couldn't this. one of them, i couldn't stand— this. one of them, i couldn't stone-they— this. one of them, i couldn't stand -they-beingl stand that they were being treated—h- stand that they were being - treated—in pimlico treated like animals in pimlico ont— treated like animals in pimlico the the— treated like animals in pimlico and the hotel— treated like animals in pimlico and the hotel has— treated like animals in pimlico and the hotel has since agreed to o— and the hotel has since agreed to o rhtrhurh— and the hotel has since agreed to a maximum of— and the hotel has since agreed to a maximum of only two htgrohte— to a maximum of only two migrants sharing a room, rather then— migrants sharing a room, rather than tour.— migrants sharing a room, rather than four. then— migrants sharing a room, rather than four. then we're moving on to one— than four. then we're moving on to ot— than four. then we're moving on to one of labour— than four. then we're moving on to one of labour and just stop otte. — to one of labour and just stop otte. htggeet— to one of labour and just stopi oils. biggest—vince oils. biggest donors, del vince oetuotty— oils. biggest donors, del vince oetuotty-to— oils. biggest donors, del vince actually-to speak- oils. biggest donors, del vince actually to speak to him actually got to speak to him yeetertoy. — actually got to speak to him yesterday. plotting the yesterday. he's plotting the rottout— yesterday. he's plotting the rottoutloh— yesterday. he's plotting the rolloutlan eco- yesterday. he's plotting the rollout an eco curriculum in rollout of an eco curriculum in eehoote—he- rollout of an eco curriculum ini schools._be allowed rollout of an eco curriculum in. schools._be allowed to schools. should we be allowed to ettrhote— schools. should we be allowed to climate activism _ schools. should we be allowed to climate activism and really that sort— climate activism and really that sort ot— climate activism and really that sort ot three— climate activism and really that sort of thing dictating what gets— sort of thing dictating what gete taught— sort of thing dictating what gets taught to— sort of thing dictating what gets taught to our children? is it gets taught to our children? is tt-rtght— gets taught to our children? is tt-rteht troy— gets taught to our children? is it right way forward? and it the right way forward? and then— it the right way forward? and then he— it the right way forward? and then he the— it the right way forward? and then is the doing it the right way forward? and then is the-doing to then is the uk doing enough to support— then is the uk doing enough to support zelenskyy ? the ukrainian support zelenskyy? the ukrainian preetteht—hte- president stated that his country— president stated that his country-to- president stated that his- country-to launch president stated that his- country -to launch its country was ready to launch its much— country was ready to launch its much vaunted— country was ready to launch its much vaunted counter offensive , much vaunted counter offensive, but much vaunted counter offensive, hut one— much vaunted counter offensive, hut ot— much vaunted counter offensive, hut ot hte— much vaunted counter offensive, but one of his top— much vaunted counter offensive, but one of his top advisers contradicted— but one of his top advisers contradicted him only days tater,— contradicted him only days toter, he— contradicted him only days later, he stated— contradicted him only days later, he stated that kyiv still toots— later, he stated that kyiv still lacks sufficient— later, he stated that kyiv still lacks sufficient weapons and orhrhuhtttoh— lacks sufficient weapons and ammunition to— lacks sufficient weapons and ammunition to push out the

tueetohe— ammunition to push out the russians and— ammunition to push out the russians and take back the country.— russians and take back the country. comments have many country. the comments have many tethe— country. the comments have many asking-is— country. the comments have many asking-is totho- asking if britain is doing enough— asking if britain is doing enough support asking if britain is doing enough-support that's enough to support them. that's all enough to support them. that's ott eorhhg— enough to support them. that's ott eorhhg uh— enough to support them. that's all coming up in— enough to support them. that's all coming up in the next hour. teth— all coming up in the next hour. tett rhe— all coming up in the next hour. tett rte-you— all coming up in the next hour. tell me-you think- tell me what you think on everythhe— everything we're discussing. as ever in the usual way. vaiews@gbnews.uk com or tweet me vaiews@gbnews.uk com or tweet rhe ot— vaiews@gbnews.uk com or tweet he at .— vaiews@gbnews.uk com or tweet he at . eh— vaiews@gbnews.uk com or tweet he at . eh newe— vaiews@gbnews.uk com or tweet me at . gb news. so— vaiews@gbnews.uk com or tweet me at . gb news. so let's go head me at. gb news. so let's go head to heat— me at. gb news. so let's go head to heat rtght— me at. gb news. so let's go head to heat rteht .— me at. gb news. so let's go head to head right. so— me at. gb news. so let's go head to head right. so let's me at. gb news. so let's go head to head right . so let's start to head right. so let's start ruth— to head right. so let's start utth our— to head right. so let's start with our first— to head right. so let's start with our first topic of conversation. and this week we rhterohte— conversation. and this week we saw migrants barricade their hotet— saw migrants barricade their hotel accommodation in central tohtoh— hotel accommodation in central london because— hotel accommodation in central london because they said the rooms were unsafe. asylum eeeeret— rooms were unsafe. asylum seekers were seen protesting on the street— seekers were seen protesting on the street because— seekers were seen protesting on the street because they had to shore— the street because they had to share rooms at— the street because they had to share rooms at the pimlico corhtort— share rooms at the pimlico cohtort hh— share rooms at the pimlico comfort inn in.— share rooms at the pimlico comfort inn in. one of the htgrohte— comfort inn in. one of the migrants said— comfort inn in. one of the migrants said that they were comfort inn in. one of the migraitreated that they were comfort inn in. one of the migraitreated like they were comfort inn in. one of the migraitreated like animals. 'e comfort inn in. one of the migraitreated like animals. the being treated like animals. the hotet— being treated like animals. the hotet hoe— being treated like animals. the hotel has agreed— being treated like animals. the hotel has agreed to reduce the eopoetty— hotel has agreed to reduce the eopootty to— hotel has agreed to reduce the eopootty to rust— hotel has agreed to reduce the capacity to just two rather than tour. — capacity to just two rather than hour so — capacity to just two rather than hour so tet-e— capacity to just two rather than four. so let's welcome again to my heat— four. so let's welcome again to my heotlheot— four. so let's welcome again to my head-head is— four. so let's welcome again to my head head is senior my head to head is senior potttteot— my head to head is senior political commentator nigel heteoh— political commentator nigel heteoh ont— political commentator nigel nelson and also a member of tetorrh— nelson and also a member of tetorrh ont— nelson and also a member of reform and former mep ben habib. wett— reform and former mep ben habib. hett, th— reform and former mep ben habib. trett, r-rh 90mg— reform and former mep ben habib. trett, r-rh gothg to— reform and former mep ben habib. well, i'm going to start with what— well, i'm going to start with what-outrage— well, i'm going to start with what outrage will be. on the what the outrage will be. on the rtght. — what the outrage will be. on the rtght. teth— what the outrage will be. on the rtght. tet-e 90— what the outrage will be. on the rtght. tet-e go to— what the outrage will be. on the right. let's go to the left.

htget— right. let's go to the left. nigel nelson.— right. let's go to the left. nigel nelson. okay, i'm not outreget. — nigel nelson. okay, i'm not outraged. it's— nigel nelson. okay, i'm not outraged. it's all- nigel nelson. okay, i'm not outraged. c 311i: nigel nelson. okay, i'm not outraged. c outraged. it's all are you the thing about this one is that even robert jenner at the immigration minister seems to have no idea what's really going on. so that's not a first. nigel? probably not- nigel? probably not the first the,— nigel? probably not the first time, but — nigel? probably not the first time, but. but— nigel? probably not the first time, but. but ,_ nigel? probably not the first time, but. cit" nigel? probably not the first time, but. but, but on the basis of that, that according to reports , these people were asked reports, these people were asked to sleep in a two metre room for of them were there were only two bunk beds. that is not acceptable. _ bunk beds. that is not acceptable. - bunk beds. that is not acceptable. the- bunk beds. that is not acceptable. the hotel has obviously since changed that. and so only two people will sleep in the room . um but, but sleep in the room. um but, but we. asylum seekers, whoever they are, obviously it's a lot better than, than a calais camp. wherever they end up, they should be treated with dignity and humanely. should be treated with dignity and humanely . we and quite and humanely. we and quite clearly in this situation , that clearly in this situation, that wasn't happening. well, what about refugee— wasn't happening. well, what about refugee camps- c " g well, what about refugee camps then? heeouee— about refugee camps then? because refugee camps are all over-hott— because refugee camps are all over-world-some- because refugee camps are all over world some of them over the world and some of them are over the world and some of them ore—thet- are in tents and all that kind of are in tents and all that kind ot-thot— are in tents and all that kind of-that seems- are in tents and all that kind of that seems acceptable. of thing, that seems acceptable. these— of thing, that seems acceptable. theee guys— of thing, that seems acceptable. theee guye re— of thing, that seems acceptable. these guys are in— of thing, that seems acceptable. these guys are in a hotel in one of these guys are in a hotel in one ot—otl of the most expensive parts of tohtoh— of the most expensive parts of london, pimlico,— of the most expensive parts of london, pimlico, and the conditions.— london, pimlico, and the conditions. they said that the

ohty— conditions. they said that the ohty eoeoh— conditions. they said that the only reason they— conditions. they said that the only reason they went back in woe—tottl only reason they went back in. woe—tote thot was because they were told that if was because they were told that tt-ttth-t,— was because they were told that tt-ttth-t-they- if they didn't, then they stopped— if they didn't, then they- stooped—honey if they didn't, then they- stopped |frankly, - money if they didn't, then they stopped frankly, it's money if they didn't, then they stopped frankly, it's very oney because frankly, it's very generous for— because frankly, it's very generous for them even. generous for them to even. wett— generous for them to even. teeth—to- generous for them to even. well, _ do that, | well, you couldn't do that, really. i mean, but they were tott— really. i mean, but they were tote—tottl told that no, they were told that. — told that no, they were toldi that. —the told that no, they were told- thot. —the her that. yeah. but i mean, the idea of leaving them on the streets, i worse i mean, that's even worse themselves out. they didn't want to—uhotel to go in. well i mean, the whole three— to go in. well i mean, the whole three-were— to go in. well i mean, the whole three-were-ol thing was they were making a protest— thing was they were making a protest-the — thing was they were making a protest the protest protest that the protest seems to have solved the immediate rrohterh—tryhel to have solved the immediate problem, trying to to have solved the immediate. problem,_trying to put problem, which was trying to put for problem, which was trying to put torroo—rh— problem, which was trying to put for—room . now,- for them into a room. now, they-re— for them into a room. now, they've agreed that two them they've agreed that two of them can which seems to be not can share, which seems to be not unreasonable . also, westminster unreasonable. also, westminster city didn't know city council didn't know anything about it. so all this was whereas they may was happening, whereas they may have been able to help but couldn't because actually couldn't because no one actually told well, you say, told them. ben well, you say, you— told them. ben well, you say, you ety— told them. ben well, you say, you say hteet— told them. ben well, you say, you say nigel quite- you say nigel quite emphatically, if i may challenge you-thet— emphatically, if i may challenge you-that, you— emphatically, if i may challenge you that, you know, it's you on it, that, you know, it's eteorty— you on it, that, you know, it's clearly unacceptable that four peohte— clearly unacceptable that four peohte-o— clearly unacceptable that four peohte-o roo- clearly unacceptable that four people a room, but people sleep in a room, but there— people sleep in a room, but there re— people sleep in a room, but there are lots— people sleep in a room, but there are lots of— people sleep in a room, but there are lots of people eteehhe— there are lots of people sleeping rough in london. you see-the— sleeping rough in london. you see-the time. - sleeping rough in london. you see-the time. why. sleeping rough in london. youi see-the time. why is sleeping rough in london. you. see-the time. why is it see them all the time. why is it that this see them all the time. why is it that the group— see them all the time. why is it that this group of— see them all the time. why is it that this group of people- e why is it that this group of people get better— that this group of people get better attention? stihz; better attention? is there something in the european convention that convention of human rights that requires more two requires no more than two to a room? is there something in hunting— , is there something in building regulations or in heotth— building regulations or in health and— building regulations or in health and safety regulations

that— health and safety regulations that-there— health and safety regulations that-there can't- health and safety regulations that there can't be more that says there can't be more then— that says there can't be more then-roorhe - that says there can't be more than-room? and. that says there can't be more. than-room? and why that says there can't be more- than-room? and why are than two to a room? and why are they— than two to a room? and why are they housing first they given housing in the first place? france , place? you know, in france, where they from , where the where they were from, where the majority of these people came from, you know, they're just in camps. they're like camps. they're in tents like hono— camps. they're in tents like hone-so— camps. they're in tents like hone-so hou- camps. they're in tents like nana -so how come. camps. they're in tents like- nana -so how come that's nana said. so how come that's you know, how that's you know, how come that's acceptable ? well, but they acceptable? well, but once they tome-rte— acceptable? well, but once they come-rte hot— acct; , well, but once they come it's not acceptable. come to the it's not acceptable. the— come to the it's not acceptable. the trance-e— come to the it's not acceptable. the france's there's— come to the it's not acceptable. the france's there's no outrage. there-s— the france's there's no outrage. mores-outrage- the france's there's no outrage. there's-outrage when - there's no real outrage when they come here. there seems to be outrage , it's be some big outrage, but it's not of human not a breach of their human rights anything rights or anything to be required room with required to share a room with three people in pimlico . three other people in pimlico. but yeah , yes, i know. i mean, but yeah, yes, i know. i mean, i cannot— but yeah, yes, i know. i mean, i cannot afford— but yeah, yes, i know. i mean, i cannot afford even— but yeah, yes, i know. i mean, i cannot afford even a small ttttte— cannot afford even a small little studio— cannot afford even a small little studio flat or even a room in pimlico- little studio flat or even a room in pimlico . it's very room in pimlico. it's very exettho— room in pimlico. it's very exetthe. ._ room in pimlico. it's very exciting. i think we should take htrhtteo— exciting. i think we should take htrhtteo out— exciting. i think we should take pimlico out of— exciting. i think we should take pimlico out of the— exciting. i think we should take pimlico out of the equation. they— pimlico out of the equation. they were— pimlico out of the equation. they were there— pimlico out of the equation. they were there because that was where— they were there because that was where that-e— they were there because that was where that's-why- they were there because that was where that's why they where that's probably why they were _ because l were four to a room, because he— were four to a room, because he the— were four to a room, because he the o— were four to a room, because it's £150 a-to- were four to a room, because it's £150 a-to be- were four to a room, because it's £150 a to be in it's £150 a night to be in eehtrot— it's £150 a night to be in central london. i mean, i'm sure they-t— central london. i mean, i'm sure they-t he— central london. i mean, i'm sure they-t he oute— central london. i mean, i'm sure they'd be quite happy to be in sotht— they'd be quite happy to be in sotht-or— they'd be quite happy to be in saint-or bradford- saint albans or bradford or somewhere mean, somewhere else. i mean,- somewhere _they could somewhere else. i mean,- some beent_they could somewhere else. i mean,- some been taken.-they could somewhere else. i mean, somebeen taken. so they could somewhere else. i mean, somebeen taken. so pimlico:ould have been taken. so pimlico hoppehet— have been taken. so pimlico hoppehetlhe— have been taken. so pimlico happened be where they came happened to be where they came trorh— happened to be where they came from, somewhere— happened to be where they came from, somewhere else in the thet— from, somewhere else in the hot otoee. — from, somewhere else in the first place. ilford- from, somewhere else in the first place. sift: "cat first place. ilford they've been accommodated and given food and shelter, which is ultimately

what they wanted. yeah, but we're what they wanted. yeah, but etttt— what they wanted. yeah, but we're still talking— : yeah, but we're still talking about treotthe— we're still talking about treating people reasonably , and treating people reasonably, and i treating people reasonably, and t—thot— treating people reasonably, and i_that squashing. treating people reasonably, and i of that squashing treating people reasonably, and i of them,that squashing treating people reasonably, and i of them, ifat squashing treating people reasonably, and i of them, if this uashing treating people reasonably, and i of them, if this is shing treating people reasonably, and i of them, if this is true, four of them, if this is true, reoeohohte— four of them, if this is true, reasonable into— four of them, if this is true, reasonable into a two metre room wtth— reasonable into a two metre room wtth two— reasonable into a two metre room wtth two hunt— reasonable into a two metre room with two bunk beds— reasonable into a two metre room with two bunk beds that four peohte— with two bunk beds that four peopte howe— with two bunk beds that four peopte have to— with two bunk beds that four people have to share , that is people have to share, that is hot— people have to share, that is hot treotthe— people have to share, that is not treating people reasonably . not treating people reasonably. but not treating people reasonably. hut t— not treating people reasonably. hut t ththt— not treating people reasonably. hut t ththt t— not treating people reasonably. but i think i think— not treating people reasonably. but i think i think this- not treating people reasonably. but i think i think this goes to the heart of the problem because if look quality of if you look at the quality of life these people are afforded in france, they are tents. in france, they are in tents. they're after . they they're not looked after. they don't the national don't get access to the national health or whatever the health service or whatever the french don't french equivalent is. they don't get you know, get given cash. and, you know, they know that the minute they make to entering british make it to entering british territorial , they will territorial waters, they will have warm blanket put round them. they'll be put onto a border force boat brought back to uk shores, put in a three star hotel in prime central london, then given food, free food , given money, given free food, given money, given free dental care , given access to the dental care, given access to the nhs , the economic pull towards nhs, the economic pull towards the uk must be irresistible and, you know, the point is and

nigel, you're going to jump up and down. no doubt in horror about what i'm about to say. but the they are economic the point is they are economic migrants. minute they're in migrants. the minute they're in france, their france, they're safe. their human assured when human rights are assured when they're coming here to better themselves. and the complaints that they're making about pimlico , evidence that it's all pimlico, evidence that it's all about increasing the quality of their own lives in coming across their own lives in coming across the we don't know, the economic migrants. what the we don't know, the economic migrants . what they are is migrants. what they are is oeyturh— migrants. what they are is asylum seekers.— 3 what they are is asylum seekers. and until there. but asylum seekers. and until there. hut they— asylum seekers. and until there. hut they re— asylum seekers. and until there. but they are they're— asylum seekers. and until there. but they are they're coming- asylum seekers. and until there. but they are they're coming from france. yeah, but they are they're coming from france . yeah, i know, but france. yeah, i know, but there-e— france. yeah, i know, but there-e ho— f yeah, i know, but there's no suggestion they're hot— there's no suggestion they're hot-th— there's no suggestion they're not-in france,- there's no suggestion they're not-in france, is- there's no suggestion they're not in france, is there? not safe in france, is there? no,— not safe in france, is there? wo-hrohterh- not safe in france, is there?- no,-problem-france no, but the problem with france is no, but the problem with france te—eot— no, but the problem with france te—eot o— no, but the problem with france is_got a returns- is we haven't got a returns agreement—soi is we haven't got a returns. agreement—so an agreement with france. so an owtut— agreement with france. so an owtut tot— agreement with france. so an awful lot-these _ agreement with france. so an awful lot these people are awful lot of these people are eorhthe—theyl coming here because they speak thgttth— coming here because they speak thrush-why— coming here because they speak english. -why this- coming here because they speak english. why this is our english. that's why this is our destination. _ english. that's why this is our destination. be— english. that's why this is our destination. be because they rhteht— destination. be because they rhteht howe— destination. be because they might have relatives or friends here— might have relatives or friends here tor. — might have relatives or friends here tor. so— might have relatives or friends here for. so they— might have relatives or friends here for. so they end up in catato— here for. so they end up in calais with— here for. so they end up in calais with the— here for. so they end up in calais with the express intention _ calais with the express intention of— calais with the express intention of crossing the theme— intention of crossing the channel britain intention of crossing the. channel-britain . intention of crossing the- channel-britain . so at channel to get to britain. so at the— channel to get to britain. so at the stage— channel to get to britain. so at this stage they're— channel to get to britain. so at this stage they're still asylum eeeeret— this stage they're still asylum eeeeret ont— this stage they're still asylum seekers and have— this stage they're still asylum seekers and have every legal rteht— seekers and have every legal rteht to— seekers and have every legal right to cross— seekers and have every legal right to cross the— seekers and have every legal right to cross the channel. but that-s— right to cross the channel. but that-s tttr— right to cross the channel. but that's fair enough.— right to cross the channel. but that's fair enough. they don't have a legal right to cross the

channel. yes, they do. they channel. yes, they do. no, they don't. can your don't. and can i ask your producer a screenshot up producer to put a screenshot up for me? don't whether for me? i don't know whether i want want to debug that want to. i want to debug that myth. so this is everyone myth. okay so this is everyone says under international law, they're entitled to come here. so i just want all viewers to read carefully. this read this very carefully. this is article 33 from the un convention of laws of the convention of the laws of the sea. this is international sea. so this is international law about who is and isn't allowed to come into our territorial waters. and it says quite clearly, in a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as a contiguous contiguous zone , the coastal contiguous zone, the coastal states, that's the united kingdom , may exercise the kingdom, may exercise the control necessary to prevent infringement of its customs. fiscal immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory , territory or territory, territory or territorial waters . we have territorial waters. we have international law firmly on our side in order to intercept these boats as they enter our territorial water and turn them around to france . and we don't around to france. and we don't do it. you're absolutely right

that— do it. you're absolutely right that the— do it. you're absolutely right that the that— do it. you're absolutely right that the that what— t:tit e you're absolutely right that the that what is illegal is to tent— that the that what is illegal is to tone th— that the that what is illegal is to land in britain— that the that what is illegal is to land in britain without any true— to land in britain without any travel documents that is trumped teeth— travel documents that is trumped teeth uhter— travel documents that is trumped again under the— travel documents that is trumped again under the same convention by again under the same convention hy tethe— again under the same convention hy tethe oh— again under the same convention by being an asylum seeker and oeyturh— by being an asylum seeker and oeyturh eeert— by being an asylum seeker and asylum seeker ._ by being an asylum seeker and asylum seeker. you can, but you ohty— asylum seeker. you can, but you ohty he— asylum seeker. you can, but you ohty he oh— asylum seeker. you can, but you can only be an asylum seeker once you're on british soil and that-e— once you're on british soil and thot-e whet— once you're on british soil and that's what we— once you're on british soil and that's what we have to change. aho— that's what we have to change. and eo— that's what we have to change. who to w-wee— that's what we have to change. and so we've got— that's what we have to change. and so we've got to stop them in the theme— and so we've got to stop them in the chohhet — and so we've got to stop them in the channel we've— and so we've got to stop them in the channel �*ft�*ti git and so we've got to stop them in the channel git the channel we've got to we've got move away from the our got to move away from the our illegal migration policy being based on one of detention rights, which is what suella braverman and jenrick go on about. braverman and jenrick go on about . clearly, it's not about about. clearly, it's not about deterrence because they get put up in three star hotels in pimlico we've move away pimlico. we've got to move away from and understand we have pimlico. we've got to move away frotthe and understand we have pimlico. we've got to move away frotthe internationalstand we have pimlico. we've got to move away frotthe international lawj we have pimlico. we've got to move away frotthe international law one have pimlico. we've got to move away frotthe international law on ourive all the international law on our side to stop them in the channel side to stop them in the channel, to use border force as the name suggests, as a force to protect the border, to use a navy. if necessary. how do you stop them— navy. if necessary. how do you etoo therh th— navy. if necessary. how do you stop them in the— �*" cg how do you stop them in the channel �*ft�*tiee stop them in the channel well, you you— stop them in the channel well, you you produce— stop them in the channel well, you you produce a— stop them in the channel well, you you produce a dedicated force that's capable of intercell putting these dinghies. right. and you make you do not allow them to cross into our water. then what do you

do with them? do you just leave them — do with them? do you just leave them th— do with them? do you just leave them he the — do with them? do you just leave them in the middle— do with them? do you just leave them in the middle lthe- them in the middle of the chohhete— them in the middle of the channel?-force. them in the middle of the channel?-force to? channel? will you force them to? here— channel? will you force them to? here we— channel? will you force them to? here we 90— channel? will you force them to? here we go again-— channel? will you force them to? here we go again. this— channel? will you force them to? here we go again. this is- channel? will you force them to? here we go again. this is that ridiculous where, you ridiculous thing where, you know, what know, because normally what would your would happen is they board your boats, boat would happen is they board your boatthen boat boat would happen is they board your boatthen boat turns boat would happen is they board your boatthen boat turns around at and then the boat turns around and then the boat turns around and back to uk. and takes them back to the uk. what do. sorry, and takes them back to the uk. what do . sorry, go on, let what you do. sorry, go on, let me— what you do. sorry, go on, let me tthteh— what you do. sorry, go on, let me tthteh . — what you do. sorry, go on, let me finish. so— what you do. sorry, go on, let me finish . so this- what you do. sorry, go on, let me finish . so this is- what you do. sorry, go on, let me finish. so this is not because it'll be like you're trying. to die trying. you want people to die at actually, i'd at sea? no, no, actually, i'd rather on the rather people didn't get on the boat the first place and boat in the first place and then they no risk of they would have no risk of death. they're your death. but once they're on your boat, tow death. but once they're on your bcto, tow death. but once they're on your bcto, boat, tow death. but once they're on your bcto, boat, you tow death. but once they're on your bcto, boat, you taker death. but once they're on your bcto, boat, you take it it to your boat, and you take it back everybody's back to france. everybody's safe. it easily . safe. everybody does it easily. that's done, right? okay. it's not that's done, right? okay. it's hot-prophe- that's done, right? okay. it's not-problem. it- that's done, right? okay. it's not-problem. it is. not france's problem. it is france's. no,— not france's problem. it is france's. no, it's not. they pose— france's. no, it's not. they poee through— france's. no, it's not. they pass through france in the same way.— pass through france in the same way. they-we— pass through france in the same way. they've passed through a hurherh— way. they've passed through a number-other— way. they've passed through a number other countries safe number of other countries safe in number of other countries safe th -they-we— number of other countries safei th -they-we-rteht in france. they've got no right to enter our territorial waters. yes, they have every right because asylum seekers. because they're asylum seekers. but just read but we just read we just read the— but we just read we just read the wt — but we just read we just read the un convention, which is trumpet— the un convention, which is trumped-fact- the un convention, which is trumped fact they're an trumped by the fact they're an oeyturh —ho i trumped by the fact they're anj oeyturh—ho, tt-e asylum seeker. no, no, no, it's hot.— asylum seeker. no, no, no, it's hot. h— asylum seeker. no, no, no, it's hot. tt you-re— asylum seeker. no, no, no, it's not. if you're just— asylum seeker. no, no, no, it's not. if you're just simply an trhrhteroht— not. if you're just simply an immigrant and— not. if you're just simply an immigrant and come here, not. if you're just simply an imrnotant and come here, not. if you're just simply an imrnot likeind come here, not. if you're just simply an imrnot like you come here, not. if you're just simply an imrnot like you are come here, not. if you're just simply an imrnot like you are breakinga, it's not like you are breaking the— it's not like you are breaking the-you— it's not like you are breaking the-you arrive- it's not like you are breaking the-you arrive on- the law. if you arrive on hrttteh— the law. if you arrive on british soil— the law. if you arrive on british soil without travel documents. _ british soil without travel documents. that's the illegal

port. — documents. that's the illegal port. vou— documents. that's the illegal part you ooh-t— documents. that's the illegal part. you can't you- documents. that's the illegal part. /tit tii e tit?“ e documents. that's the illegal part. /tit i i e i i e part. you can't you can't seek asylum until you have a right to seek it. you don't have that right until you until you're part of the european convention of human rights on our territory. that's when you get that benefit. every refugee starte— that benefit. every refugee starts out— that benefit. every refugee starts out as— that benefit. every refugee starts out as an— e every refugee starts out as an asylum seeker , starts out as an asylum seeker, otthough— starts out as an asylum seeker, otthoueh t— starts out as an asylum seeker, although i appreciate not every oeyturh— although i appreciate not every asylum seeker— although i appreciate not every asylum seeker is— although i appreciate not every asylum seeker is a refugee. so uhter— asylum seeker is a refugee. so under the— asylum seeker is a refugee. so under the wt— asylum seeker is a refugee. so under the un convention, the retueee— under the un convention, the retueee hoe— under the un convention, the refugee hoe o— under the un convention, the refugee has a right to try and teet— refugee has a right to try and seek eotety— refugee has a right to try and seek safety wherever they can. they— seek safety wherever they can. they tor-t— seek safety wherever they can. they don't have— seek safety wherever they can. they don't have a— seek safety wherever they can. they don't have a right- seek safety wherever they can. they don't have a right to- they don't have a right to illegally enter our waters, but it's not illegal. it is illegal. not if you're an asylum seeker, no, not if you're an asylum seeker, hut— not if you're an asylum seeker, hut they-re— not if you're an asylum seeker, no, but they're not— not if you're an asylum seeker, no, but they're not an asylum ereeet — no, but they're not an asylum ereeet hut— no, but they're not an asylum seeker. but the— no, but they're not an asylum seeker. but the asylum seeker. they haven't been— seeker. but the asylum seeker. they haven't been granted- seeker. they haven't been granted asylum . understood?— they haven't been granted asylum . understood? no,— they haven't been granted asylum . understood? no, no,— they haven't been granted asylum . understood? no, no, no,- . understood? no, no, no, they're not at the point that they're not at the point that they're seeking our they're seeking to enter our territory. it's a but territory. it's a fine but very trhportoht— territory. it's a fine but very important point— territory. it's a fine but very important point ._ aitg it's a fine but very important point . they are not important point. they are not oeyturh— important point. they are not asylum-because- important point. they are not asylum because they asylum seekers because they hover-t— asylum seekers because they howeh-t-oh— asylum seekers because they haven't an application for haven't made an application for oeyturh— haven't made an application for oeyturh-they-re- asylum because they're not on hrttteh— asylum because they're not on hrttteh-yet— asylum because they're not on hrttteh-yet. — asylum because they're not on british-yet . well,- asylum because they're not on british yet . �*ft�*tiee asylum because they're not on british yet . �*ft�*tiei i british soil yet. well, at which point refugee and point they're a refugee and a refugee. in this case, no, they're not refugee asylum, refugee. in this case, no, they're migrants ee asylum, refugee. in this case, no, they're migrants seeking m, refugee. in this case, no, they're migrants seeking to illegally enter the united kingdom because they've come from france from they're coming from france . but haven't got . yeah, but we haven't got a

returns agreement france, returns agreement with france, so actually them so we can actually send them back, we lost back, which is what we lost through brexit. no, didn't. through brexit. no, we didn't. no, no , no, no, no. i'm not no, no, no, no, no. i'm not going— no, no, no, no, no. i'm not going-that- no, no, no, no, no. i'm not. gore-thet-oe going to have that. nigel as much— going to have that. nigel as much-you,- going to have that. nigel as much-you th- going to have that. nigel as much you, i'm not. going to have that. nigel as- much-you, i'm not. i'm going to have that. nigel as mu

exactly. which we don't have returns—with,- exactly. which we don't have returns—with, but. returns agreement with, but thot-e— returns agreement with, but that's - because i returns agreement with, but that's-because did that's irrelevant because we did ttterotty— that's irrelevant because we did ttterotty ee— that's irrelevant because we did literally 36 people. �*" literally 36 people. but if they-re— literally 36 people. but if they-re th— literally 36 people. but if they're in their wisdom direction, we would if they were leaving our shores to go to france and france adopted what both of you are suggesting, we wouldn't take them back here. that's very high. so, nigel, the-o.— that's very high. so, nigel, that's. yeah. okay nobody that's very high. \r gill / cissy nobody is that's. yeah. okay nobody is teowhe— that's. yeah. okay nobody is teowhe thte— that's. yeah. okay nobody is leaving this country- “tits" cissy nobody is leaving this country to go / cissy nobody is leaving this country to go back to home — leaving this country to go back to france. and— leaving this country to go back to france. and why ? my? leaving this country to go back to france. and why ? �*tit�*iyt?’ titty ”tsi; to france. and why? why? why are they. they get a hotel, they can complain and then they get what they want. absolutely but relevant . well, well, that's relevant. well, well, that's that. listen, stay with us. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv , online this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. after the break, we'll discussing just break, we'll be discussing just stop oil's biggest donor, dale vincent. it's dale. vince, isn't it? with gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and member of reform and former mep ben habib. be former mep ben habib. they'll be going to head. keep your going head to head. keep your thoughts gb views at gb thoughts coming. gb views at gb news .com or tweet at

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complained because there were four— pimlico. they complained because there were four in— pimlico. they complained because there were four in a— pimlico. they complained because there were four in a room rather thor— there were four in a room rather thoh-so— there were four in a room rather thoh-so hete— there were four in a room rather than-so let's see- there were four in a room rather than so let's see what than two. so let's see what youe— than two. so let's see what you-e teen— than two. so let's see what you've been saying about that, chrtetthe— christine says, our veterans are eteepthe— christine says, our veterans are eteepthelthe— christine says, our veterans are sleeping the streets. sleeping in the streets. wendy eoye— sleeping in the streets. wendy eoye tt— sleeping in the streets. wendy eoye tt they— sleeping in the streets. wendy says if they don't— sleeping in the streets. wendy says if they don't like it, retur— says if they don't like it, etur to— says if they don't like it, return to france . wendy, as we return to france. wendy, as we ooh.— return to france. wendy, as we eottlohe-e— return to france. wendy, as we eothlohe-e going- return to france. wendy, as we said, one's going back to said, no one's going back to trope— said, no one's going back to. france _wouldn't said, no one's going back to- france _wouldn't get said, no one's going back to- francthey-wouldn't get said, no one's going back to francthey have wouldn't get said, no one's going back to francthey have here.ivouldn't get said, no one's going back to francthey have here. and dn't get what they have here. and he eoye— what they have here. and he eoye. teor— what they have here. and he says, dear nana,— what they have here. and he says, dear nana, the pimlico trhrhteroht— says, dear nana, the pimlico immigrant strike— says, dear nana, the pimlico immigrant strike is indefensible . wett— immigrant strike is indefensible . we-tt keep— immigrant strike is indefensible . we'll keep those— immigrant strike is indefensible . we'll keep those thoughts eomhe— . we'll keep those thoughts oorhthe. wet— . we'll keep those thoughts coming. we'd love to hear them. ttteht— coming. we'd love to hear them. ttteht. hete— coming. we'd love to hear them. right. let's move— coming. we'd love to hear them. right. let's move on to this art— right. let's move on to this one. and actually, yesterday i got o— one. and actually, yesterday i got o eoheeh— one. and actually, yesterday i got a chance to— one. and actually, yesterday i got a chance to speak to del whee— got a chance to speak to del vthee .— got a chance to speak to del vthee . hee— got a chance to speak to del vince . he's labour and vince. he's one of labour and rust— vince. he's one of labour and tuet stop— vince. he's one of labour and tuet stop otte— vince. he's one of labour and just stop oil's biggest donors. hee— just stop oil's biggest donors. he-e ptottthe— just stop oil's biggest donors. he's plotting to— just stop oil's biggest donors. he's plotting to roll out an eco eurrteuurht— he's plotting to roll out an eco curriculum across— he's plotting to roll out an eco curriculum across 12,000 uk eehoote— curriculum across 12,000 uk schools after—

curriculum across 12,000 uk schools after successful trials the — schools after successful trials across the country. now, dale is the touhter— across the country. now, dale is the founder of— across the country. now, dale is the founder of green energy eorhpohy— the founder of green energy company ecotricity and it's wotuet— company ecotricity and it's valued about— company ecotricity and it's valued about around about £100 mutton.— valued about around about £100 rhttttoh. art— valued about around about £100 million. and he's— valued about around about £100 million. and he's been given hee— million. and he's been given he-e oetuotty— million. and he's been given he's actually given about 1.5 minor— he's actually given about 1.5 rhttttoh to— he's actually given about 1.5 million to the— he's actually given about 1.5 million to the labour party over the poet— million to the labour party over the poet ter— million to the labour party over the past ten years— million to the labour party over the past ten years as well as reeehtty— the past ten years as well as recently donating— the past ten years as well as recently donating 170,000 to just— recently donating 170,000 to rust stop— recently donating 170,000 to rust stop ott. — recently donating 170,000 to just stop oil. now what do you ththte— just stop oil. now what do you think? should— just stop oil. now what do you think? should children be taught ohout—ehereyl about focusing on the energy thot— about focusing on the energy thot we— about focusing on the energy thot we use— about focusing on the energy that we use and— about focusing on the energy that we use and way that we that we use and the way that we trowete— that we use and the way that we trowete whot— that we use and the way that we travel? what we _ that we use and the way that we travel? what we eat, and the trhportohee— travel? what we eat, and the. trhportohee—tor importance of making room for hoturee— importance of making room for hoturee art— importance of making room for nature? and that's according to the-set— nature? and that's according to the-set out— nature? and that's according to the-set out-the- nature? and that's according to the set out the annual the plan set out in the annual report.— report. and mr vince is charitable— report. and mr vince is charitable donations. is charitable donations. so is it rteht— charitable donations. so is it rteht tor— charitable donations. so is it rteht torruet— charitable donations. so is it right for just stop oil donors to—oh- right for just stop oil donors to—oh eco- to be releasing an eco curriculum— to be releasing an eco curriculum our to be releasing an eco- curriculum .our schools, curriculum into our schools, otthoueh— curriculum into our schools, although-fair- curriculum into our schools, although fair him, he although to be fair to him, he toes— although to be fair to him, he toe the— although to be fair to him, he toe the hy— although to be fair to him, he does live by what— although to be fair to him, he does live by what he says. but hete— does live by what he says. but tet-e hete— does live by what he says. but let's let's see— does live by what he says. but let's let's see what my panel hote— let's let's see what my panel mote ot— let's let's see what my panel make of that. _ let's let's see what my panel make of that. they're going head to—eehtor- to head. joining me, senior potttteot— to head. joining me, senior political commentator nigel weteoh— political commentator nigel nelson, member of nelson, and also member of reortrh— nelson, and also member of retort—ttte- nelson, and also member of reform—mep ben| nelson, and also member of- reform_mep ben habib. reform and former mep ben habib. who— reform and former mep ben habib. who to— reform and former mep ben habib. who to we— reform and former mep ben habib. who to we etort— reform and former mep ben habib. who do we start with? i start wtth— who do we start with? i start wtth you— who do we start with? i start wtth you. her.— who do we start with? i start with you, ben. start. cissy with you, ben. start. okay, so i mean, dale, vince isn't here to defend himself, but he's i spoke to yesterday. yeah. to him yesterday. yeah. with all respect— to him yesterday. yeah. with alli respect—he respect to him. and it would be good you me right on good if you put me right on anything say that's, anything i might say that's, you know, . right. so i

know, not accurate. right. so i had a look at eco tricity this morning just to try and understand what it is he does. one of the things he produces ecotricity produces is vegan gas. ever heard of gas. have you ever heard of vegan gas? does it make it out of vegan gas? does it make it out ot-they— vegan gas? does it make it out ot-they-tt- vegan gas? does it make it out ot-they-tt outl vegan gas? does it make it out of-they-it out ofi of grass so they make it out of eroeee — of grass so they make it out of eroeee .the— of grass so they make it out of grass? .the theory- of grass so they make it out of grass? dc" of grass so they make it out of. grass? .the theory behind it grass? and the theory behind it is decompose grass, you is that you decompose grass, you create methane. exactly the same kind of methane you would get create methane. exactly the same kin(off methane you would get create methane. exactly the same kin(of the ethane you would get create methane. exactly the same kin(of the groundiou would get create methane. exactly the same kin(of the ground and vould get create methane. exactly the same kin(of the ground and youj get create methane. exactly the same kin(of the ground and you then out of the ground and you then burn it and you put the same amount of carbon in the air. but of because it came from of course, because it came from grass is renewable. so long grass is renewable. so as long as plant same as you can plant the same amount of you back the of grass, you come back to the same, come. but that's the same, you come. but that's the same, you come. but that's the same of burning trees. same principle of burning trees. it may take slightly longer to burn trees, but if you're planting forest as fast as you're cutting them, you have the same net outcome and i think but takes longer to release but it takes longer to release it. it takes longer. of course it. it takes longer. of course it takes longer, which is a problem. takes problem. of course it takes longer, but you are still burning methane. it may be vegan and it may come in all the trappings of something that is approved by the islington intellectual elite . but the net intellectual elite. but the net result is the same and you're

not seeking to transition people off the use of methane . when off the use of methane. when you're producing methane, you're inculcate the same habits, the same usage patterns that you would have. what i don't understand about the whole eco drive is why we're not using fossil fuels produced at home more for, you know, to a greater extent. so for example, keir starmer no doubt influenced by dale, vince wants to cease issuing any new licences for nonh issuing any new licences for north sea oil and gas extraction . but to be fair, both parties sort— . but to be fair, both parties eort ot— . but to be fair, both parties are sort of going— but to be fair, both parties are sort of going along and that one— are sort of going along and that one ot— are sort of going along and that one ot the— are sort of going along and that one ot the ot— are sort of going along and that and at the at the— are sort of going along and that and at the at the moment we there-e— and at the at the moment we there-e ho— and at the at the moment we there's no breaking off using gas— there's no breaking off using too . — there's no breaking off using too . oop— there's no breaking off using too . hop to— there's no breaking off using too . go to o— there's no breaking off using gas . a gas. gas is a fundamental component of how we heat our homes in this country and how industry is powered and we've got the idiotic situation of not using our own gas and importing liquid liquefied natural gas from the us at vast cost , vast

from the us at vast cost, vast additional carbon footprint to the uk . it's additional carbon footprint to the uk. it's an additional carbon footprint to the uk . it's an absolute the uk. it's an absolute absurdity. well, the uk. it's an absolute absurdity . well, dan's the uk. it's an absolute absurdity. well, dan's point woutt— absurdity. well, dan's point woutt he.— absurdity. well, dan's point would be, and— absurdity. well, dan's point would be, and he's- ”t: eat well, dan's point would be, and he's not here to there— would be, and he's not here to defend himself,— would be, and he's not here to defend himself, but i suspect he woutt— defend himself, but i suspect he woutt soy— defend himself, but i suspect he woutt eoy thot— defend himself, but i suspect he would say that what it is renewable. _ would say that what it is renewable. so- would say that what it is renewable. so we wouldn't have hot— renewable. so we wouldn't have that situation— renewable. so we wouldn't have that situation if— renewable. so we wouldn't have that situation if we _ renewable. so we wouldn't have that situation if we were making our—sorry- that situation if we were making our—sorry . i that situation if we were makingi our—sorry. hut our own. but no, no, sorry. but not— our own. but no, no, sorry. but hot—o— our own. but no, no, sorry. but not—a renewable] not everything is a renewable. yeah but everything is renewable. i hear you. but. but the tootprtht. — renewable. i hear you. but. but the footprint, .carbon - the footprint, the carbon tootprtht— the footprint, the carbon footprint that you would have by the—the - the other extraction. so the toeett— the other extraction. so the toeett-oht— the other extraction. so the fossil and getting them fossil fuels and getting them trom— fossil fuels and getting them troe—phoeee- from other other places and ttpuettet— from other other places and liquefied-is- from other other places and liquefied-is far- from other other places and liquefied is far greater liquefied gas gas is far greater rother— liquefied gas gas is far greater rother thor— liquefied gas gas is far greater rather than if— liquefied gas gas is far greater rather than if you _ liquefied gas gas is far greater rather than if you could oetuotty— rather than if you could actually regenerate your own ushe— actually regenerate your own using-vou- actually regenerate your own using-you could. actually regenerate your own. using-you could grow using grass that you could grow youreett— using grass that you could grow youreett-oteo— using grass that you could grow yourself-also-thel yourself. and also there's the eohtrottthe— yourself. and also there's the controlling-price- yourself. and also there's the controlling price as controlling of the price as wet.— controlling of the price as well..there's- controlling of the price as well. there's that side of well. so there's that side of it. well. so there's that side of t. .t— well. so there's that side of t. .tt you— well. so there's that side of it. .if you shut- well. so there's that side of it. if you shut down north it. but if you shut down north seo— it. but if you shut down north seo goe— it. but if you shut down north seo eoe ort— it. but if you shut down north sea gas and shunned america sea gas and you shunned america and sea gas and you shunned america one ttpuettet— sea gas and you shunned america and liquefied natural gas, there-e— and liquefied natural gas, there-e ho— and liquefied natural gas, there's no amount of vegan gas hot— there's no amount of vegan gas thot woutt— there's no amount of vegan gas that would power— there's no amount of vegan gas that would power the you just ooh-t— that would power the you just ooh-t protuee— that would power the you just can't produce it.— that would power the you just can't produce it. well, no, i'm wtth— can't produce it. well, no, i'm wtth you— can't produce it. well, no, i'm wtth you oh— can't produce it. well, no, i'm with you on that.— can't produce it. well, no, i'm with you on that. and i somebody who— with you on that. and i somebody who toeeh-t— with you on that. and i somebody who doesn't believe— with you on that. and i somebody who doesn't believe that you shoute— who doesn't believe that you should production of should stop the production of host— should stop the production of toeett-ohywoy— should stop the production of fossil-anyway ,- should stop the production of fossil anyway , just to fossil fuel anyway, but just to present—hut- present the other side. but nigelr— present the other side. but woet-you- present the other side. but nigel, you think present the other side. but- nigel,-you think about nigel, what do you think about the— nigel, what do you think about thee-your— nigel, what do you think about this?-your where's- this? where's your where's your heot—ththt- this? where's your where's your head _think that. this? where's your where's your. head _think that ben head on? well, i think that ben perhaps first perhaps should take the first lesson about eco

lesson at the school about eco education on the basis. oh that's patronising . well, i that's patronising. well, i mean, the whole thing is that that what we're talking about is whether or not it's right for him going into schools and him to be going into schools and launching his own curriculum there. now, i don't know how much how much the curriculum is actually his. it seems to me that yes, very much so, that children ought to learn about saving energy, about climate change, about global warming, about the risks that they are facing. they're the next generation, after all, who are going to be affected more by it than, say , we are. and as far as than, say, we are. and as far as if a charitable charitable organisation which he runs, wants to fund this great that is fantastic . as long as he doesn't fantastic. as long as he doesn't have any veto over what is being taught and the teachers looked through the material themselves and they're quite happy teaching that to the children. but, but to be honest i respect teachers, but with regard to that, what would know in terms of would they know in terms of that? my if we say that the only

worry— that? my if we say that the only worry t— that? my if we say that the only worry t howe— that? my if we say that the only worry t hove te— a�*rsa7 my if we say that the only worry i have is something that i the— worry i have is something that i ththt te— worry i have is something that i ththt te putte— worry i have is something that i think is quite important, that he toes— think is quite important, that he does have— think is quite important, that he does have a— think is quite important, that he does have a huge vested thtereet.— he does have a huge vested interest, doesn't— he does have a huge vested interest, doesn't he? he does. hee— interest, doesn't he? he does. he's got a wind farm company. so he produces— he's got a wind farm company. so he produces wind— he's got a wind farm company. so he produces wind farms. in fact, i he produces wind farms. in fact, t trow— he produces wind farms. in fact, t thowlput— he produces wind farms. in fact, t thowlput up— he produces wind farms. in fact, i know-put up one- he produces wind farms. in fact, i know put up one the i know he put up one of the throt— i know he put up one of the trot-whet— i know he put up one of the first-wind-in- i know he put up one of the first-wind-in this| first ever wind farms in this country— first ever wind farms in this country .— first ever wind farms in this country . he— first ever wind farms in this country . he also- first ever wind farms in this country . he also has a he's got country. he also has a he's got a country. he also has a he's got o weeoh— country. he also has a he's got o weeoh toot— country. he also has a he's got a vegan food company as well. i thot— a vegan food company as well. i mean, that could— a vegan food company as well. i mean, that could be influencing the thet— mean, that could be influencing the the ot— mean, that could be influencing the diet of some— mean, that could be influencing the diet of some of those eehoote— the diet of some of those eehoote oe— the diet of some of those schools as-also,- the diet of some of those- schools as - also, - know, schools as he's also, you know, so hee— schools as he's also, you know, so he-e oteo— schools as he's also, you know, so he's also got— schools as he's also, you know, so he's also got his— schools as he's also, you know, so he's also got his own eco eteetrtetty— so he's also got his own eco electricity company. so i'm ththtthe— electricity company. so i'm ththtthe rhy— electricity company. so i'm thinking my problem with that is that thinking my problem with that is thot he— thinking my problem with that is thot he to— thinking my problem with that is that he is creating— thinking my problem with that is that he is creating something one— that he is creating something one perhope— that he is creating something and perhaps influencing a curriculum.— and perhaps influencing a curriculum. he's actually ereotthe— curriculum. he's actually creating he's— curriculum. he's actually creating he's he's somebody who is creating he's he's somebody who to oh— creating he's he's somebody who is an entrepreneur. _ creating he's he's somebody who is an entrepreneur. he's a businessman. _ is an entrepreneur. he's a businessman. he's a businessman. veoh —he-o— businessman. he's a businessman. yeah _he's creating. yeah but i mean, he's creating his own market, right? yeah, but i mean, the foundation- i ” 37 yeah, but i mean, the foundation schools, for i mean, the foundation schools, tor—hy- for instance, are run by huetheee— for instance, are run by business people. there are an owtut— business people. there are an owtut tot— business people. there are an owtut tot ot— business people. there are an awful lot of people with vested thtereete— awful lot of people with vested interests-have- interests who also have an thtereet— interests who also have an interest—and. interest in education and i the— interest in education and i ththt you— interest in education and i think you treat— interest in education and i think you treat this for what it is, think you treat this for what it to. whteh— think you treat this for what it to. whteh te— think you treat this for what it is, which is actually providing some financial— is, which is actually providing some financial support. so kids can learn about— some financial support. so kids can learn about climate change ort— can learn about climate change one whot— can learn about climate change one whot they— can learn about climate change and what they can— can learn about climate change and what they can do about it. tor-t— and what they can do about it. tor-t tt— and what they can do about it. tor-t tt tor-t— and what they can do about it. isn't it isn't it— and what they can do about it. isn't it isn't it more— and what they can do about it. isn't it isn't it more sinister- isn't it isn't it more sinister than that, nigel? isn't it about

it, you know, enforcing his views and the kind of just stop oils extreme version of how we manage the planet? well that's my potht— manage the planet? well that's my potht ohout— manage the planet? well that's my point about he— g 7 well that's my point about he shouldn't have any my point about he shouldn't have ohy tho— my point about he shouldn't have ohy the ot— my point about he shouldn't have any kind of veto,— my point about he shouldn't have any kind of veto, but of course he wtth— any kind of veto, but of course he wttt. won-t— any kind of veto, but of course he will, won't he? _ any kind of veto, but of course he will, won't he? ti; he will, won't he? he's the one going round the school. no i mean down to the teacher mean it's down to the teacher and ultimately the teacher and ultimately the head teacher and ultimately the head teacher and decide what and a school to decide what children taught. but children are taught. but overall, the i t: ”til" ”tsi; aim; but overall, the government, children are taught. but- overall, the government, which sets— overall, the government, which sets the — overall, the government, which sets the national— overall, the government, which sets the national curriculum. wett. — sets the national curriculum. wett. -potht. - sets the national curriculum. j well,-point, though. well, that's the point, though. if the government set the national he is national curriculum and he is also donating to the also donating money to the labour , is that should we labour party, is that should we be looking at his fingers are in far too many pies. too far too many pies. there's too much there? if far too many pies. there's too mucwas there? if far too many pies. there's too mucwas if there? if far too many pies. there's too mucwas if this there? if far too many pies. there's too mucwas if this was there? if far too many pies. there's too mucwas if this was athere? if far too many pies. there's too mucwas if this was a tory ? if this was if this was a tory party, saying, on party, you'd be saying, hang on a covid a minute. remember the covid situation giving situation where they were giving contracts their contracts allegedly to their friends and people who they knew and so this and so on and so forth. this could smell little of could smell a little bit of that, couldn't it? i mean, as much i respect dale vince, i much as i respect dale vince, i spoke to him the other i spoke to him the other day, i think incredible think he's an incredible business person. i'm business person. but i'm thinking that if a business person is coming in to talk to schools, like schools, it could feel like a level of indoctrination, seeing as person has farms, as that person has wind farms, they company for they have charging company for charging points. you see the same-academies- charging points. you see the- same-academiesimean, same about academies. i mean,

oeoerhteet— same about academies. i mean, academies—same. academies work in the same way. no, academies work in the same way. wo-there-e— academies work in the same way. wo-there-e ho— academies work in the same way. no, there's no actually work no, but there's no actually work outette— no, but there's no actually work outette the— no, but there's no actually work outside the outside system. outside the outside the system. art—ptueethel and so they're not plugging ther— and so they're not plugging thetr ow— and so they're not plugging their own agenda. people who support from support academies come from all walks of life, all sorts of. but you would accept that it's business. business people. yeah but they're not promoting this is but they're not promoting this he eopttettty— but they're not promoting this is explicitly promoting a theory , vou— is explicitly promoting a theory . you trow— is explicitly promoting a theory . you know. oh— is explicitly promoting a theory , you know, an agenda which ereotee— , you know, an agenda which creates a market— , you know, an agenda which creates a market for his product.— creates a market for his product, but— creates a market for his product, but without seeing the rhotertot— product, but without seeing the material that— product, but without seeing the material that he's— product, but without seeing the material that he's actually producin9r_ material that he's actually producing, he's— material that he's actually producing, he's not promoting his producing, he's not promoting hte protuete— producing, he's not promoting his products. this is not a eotee— his products. this is not a eotee .— his products. this is not a eotee . hut— his products. this is not a sales , but he— his products. this is not a sales , but he is. sales, but he is. but he is automatically doing it. do you not think that that— g a do you not think that that would feel othoet— not think that that would feel othoet ttte— not think that that would feel almost like-is— not think that that would feel almost like-is-of- not think that that would feel almost like is of like almost like a it is kind of like almost like a it is kind of like o—ttte- a sales exercise. it's like a eott— a sales exercise. it's like a eottl— a sales exercise. it's like a soft , admittedly. i think soft sell, admittedly. i think it's soft sell, admittedly. i think tt-e o— soft sell, admittedly. i think he o-hort— soft sell, admittedly. i think it's a-hard sell.- it's a pretty hard sell. well, ho—eett- it's a pretty hard sell. well, ho—eett th| no, it's quite a soft sell in hot— no, it's quite a soft sell in that-comes- no, it's quite a soft sell in that-comes in- no, it's quite a soft sell in that comes in guise that it it comes in the guise of etueottoh— that it it comes in the guise of education,-is- that it it comes in the guise of education,-is .- that it it comes in the guise of education,-is . but- that it it comes in the guise of education, is . but at education, which it is. but at the— education, which it is. but at the-ot— education, which it is. but at the-oh the— education, which it is. but at the-of the day,- education, which it is. but at the of the day, some the the end of the day, some of the three— the end of the day, some of the three the— the end of the day, some of the three thot he— the end of the day, some of the things that he might be eepouethe— things that he might be espousing not espousing may well not potehttotty— espousing may well not- potentially _efficient potentially be as eco efficient on potentially be as eco efficient oh the— potentially be as eco efficient oh the tone— potentially be as eco efficient on the long-as— potentially be as eco efficient on the long as they are even on the long run as they are even though—they- on the long run as they are even though—they ate-l on the long run as they are even though—they are. i| though he may think they are. i mean,_extreme, though he may think they are. i meaihe? _extreme, though he may think they are. i meaihe? ti; extreme, though he may think they are. i meaihe? ti; rixatii�* sate, isn't he? he is an extremist because he's supporting just stop these are people who go stop oil these are people who go and in the middle of and sit in the middle of the road. people chuck road. there are people who chuck orange paint all over

masterpieces. and, you know , masterpieces. and, you know, snooker tables and interrupt completely peaceful events . completely peaceful events. they're almost the kind of eco terrorist group. and he's supporting them. so this guy is a slight extremist. and but hang on. you know, i think i draw the the— on. you know, i think i draw the the ot— on. you know, i think i draw the line at calling— on. you know, i think i draw the line at calling him— you know, i think i draw the line at calling him an extremist heeouee you— line at calling him an extremist because, you know, he's not here.— because, you know, he's not here. wett— because, you know, he's not here. well,ithink- because, you know, he's not here. well, think stop here. well, i think just stop oil here. well, i think just stop tot—group. i here. well, i think just stop. tot—group. ho oil is an extremist group. do you— oil is an extremist group. do you-thres— oil is an extremist group. do you-things th— oil is an extremist group. do you things in extreme? oil is an extremist group. do. you-things in extreme? but you do things in extreme? but you do things in extreme? but you to. and he's paying you have to. and he's paying he's them. he's paying money to them. yeah, you have yeah, some of it. but you have to—thot- yeah, some of it. but you have. to—thot-peopte yeah, some of it. but you have. tclot-that-people yeah, some of it. but you have tc lot people that people yeah, some of it. but you have tc lot people would people yeah, some of it. but you have tc lot people would actuallyple a lot of people would actually support— a lot of people would actually eupport the— a lot of people would actually support the aims— a lot of people would actually support the aims just support the aims of just stop oil support the aims of just stop ottlperhope— support the aims of just stop oil perhaps don't support oil or perhaps don't support the way— way they're going about it. well i way they're going about it. well t—ott— way they're going about it. well t—ott - way they're going about it. well t—ott the- way they're going about it. well i_oil the bestl i think just stop oil the best advertisement fuels. advertisement for fossil fuels. every time watch , every time every time i watch, every time i watch them protest , you know, i watch them protest, you know, i think, well, you know , people think, well, you know, people are just going to be fed up with this not this nonsense. i'm not a supporter— this nonsense. i'm not a supporter ot— this nonsense. i'm not a supporter of just- i'm not a supporter of just stop oil. i tor-t— supporter of just stop oil. i don't-there's- supporter of just stop oil. |- don't-there's-evidence don't think there's any evidence thot—to— don't think there's any evidence that—to inculcate- that he's trying to inculcate ehtttreh— that he's trying to inculcate children with— that he's trying to inculcate children with with just stop oil propoeohto— children with with just stop oil propoeohto tor. — children with with just stop oil propaganda for. however, i mean, i propaganda for. however, i mean, tththt— propaganda for. however, i mean, tththt thot— propaganda for. however, i mean, i think that and— propaganda for. however, i mean, ithink that and i— propaganda for. however, i mean, i think that and i hope children are i think that and i hope children tethe— i think that and i hope children are being taught— i think that and i hope children are being taught about just stop oil are being taught about just stop ett ort— are being taught about just stop oil and extinction— are being taught about just stop oil and extinction rebellion in a oil and extinction rebellion in o-heutrot— oil and extinction rebellion in o-heutrot woy- oil and extinction rebellion in a neutral way because a perfectly neutral way because they— a perfectly neutral way because they-oh— a perfectly neutral way because they-oh the—

a perfectly neutral way because they-on the _all- a perfectly neutral way because they on the all the they see it on the news all the the. — they see it on the news all the the. who— they see it on the news all the time. and what's— they see it on the news all the time. and what's going on. well, you—tor- time. and what's going on. well, you—tor uel you know, look, i'm all for us tethe— you know, look, i'm all for us being-renewable- you know, look, i'm all for us being renewable and energy being more renewable and energy etttetert— being more renewable and energy etttetert-the— being more renewable and energy efficient,-the end- being more renewable and energy efficient, the end of the efficient, but at the end of the day,— efficient, but at the end of the toy-to— efficient, but at the end of the day,-to actually- efficient, but at the end of the day, to actually reach day, it has to actually reach the— day, it has to actually reach. the—to the goal that it's supposed to to he— the goal that it's supposed to to be attempting— the goal that it's supposed to to be attempting reach. to be attempting to reach. so for to be attempting to reach. so tor exompte— to be attempting to reach. so for example, if— to be attempting to reach. so for example, if you- to be attempting to reach. so for example, if you look- to be attempting to reach. so for example, if you look at electric cars, carbon electric cars, the carbon footprint one footprint to actually make one of even ron of those is huge. and even ron atkinson and talked atkinson came out and talked about said you know about it and said, you know what, i have driving what, i have been driving electric years. electric cars for many years. i'm longer a fan them i'm no longer a fan of them because frankly, the carbon footprint bigger when you footprint is far bigger when you make might as well just footprint is far bigger when you makedriving might as well just footprint is far bigger when you make driving your ght as well just footprint is far bigger when you make driving your petrol well just footprint is far bigger when you make driving your petrol car.l just keep driving your petrol car. that's what he said. we'll keep driving your petrol car. thrdiscussinge said. we'll keep driving your petrol car. thrdiscussing thatd. we'll keep driving your petrol car. thrdiscussing that later. we'll keep driving your petrol car. thrdiscussing that later. we'll be discussing that later. we'll stay news stay with you. this is gb news on online, and on digital on tv online, and on digital radio. thoughts coming radio. keep your thoughts coming . gb views. news. com after . gb views. gb news. com after the break, be asking my the break, i'll be asking my guests what they make the uk guests what they make of the uk aiding ukraine in the efforts to stop war. but that's after stop the war. but that's after your latest headlines with your latest news headlines with bethany . nana thank you. bethany elsey. nana thank you. here's your top stories from the gb here's your top stories from the to heweroorh— here's your top stories from the gb newsroom at— here's your top stories from the gb newsroom at 3:30. a man has teen— gb newsroom at 3:30. a man has been ehoreet— gb newsroom at 3:30. a man has been charged after— gb newsroom at 3:30. a man has been charged after allegedly weorthe— been charged after allegedly weorthe o— been charged after allegedly weorthe o to— been charged after allegedly wearing a to shirt the fa cup tthot— wearing a to shirt the fa cup

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heot— said that right. he's a deputy heot ot— said that right. he's a deputy heot ot the— said that right. he's a deputy head of the president's office one— head of the president's office one he— head of the president's office and his chief— head of the president's office and his chief foreign affairs otweor— and his chief foreign affairs advisor said— and his chief foreign affairs advisor said-the- and his chief foreign affairs advisor said the military advisor said that the military heeo— advisor said that the military need more reinforcements to teen— need more reinforcements to hegth-tohg— need more reinforcements to begin long awaited begin the long awaited operottoh— begin the long awaited operation, which was actually ortgthotty— operation, which was actually originally billed— operation, which was actually originally billed as a spring ottehetwe.— originally billed as a spring offensive-will- originally billed as a spring offensive. will take originally billed as a spring offensinz. will take originally billed as a spring offensin the will take originally billed as a spring offensin the summer take originally billed as a spring offensin the summer. take originally billed as a spring offensin the summer. forte originally billed as a spring offensin the summer. for now, he place in the summer. for now, he etotet— place in the summer. for now, he etotet thot— place in the summer. for now, he stated that kyiv— place in the summer. for now, he stated that kyiv still lacks euttteteht— stated that kyiv still lacks sufficient weapons and ammunition- sufficient weapons and ammunition out sufficient weapons and - ammunition _out the ammunition to push out the ttueetohe— ammunition to push out the russians-back- ammunition to push out the russians back the russians and take back the country— russians and take back the country .— russians and take back the country . wow— russians and take back the country . now the comments have country. now the comments have rhohy— country. now the comments have rhohy-oetuotty— country. now the comments have many actually what is the many asking actually what is the pothte— many asking actually what is the pothte heeouee— many asking actually what is the point? because we've been giving the ukrainians— point? because we've been giving the ukrainians a— point? because we've been giving the ukrainians a lot— point? because we've been giving the ukrainians a lot weapons the ukrainians a lot of weapons ort— the ukrainians a lot of weapons one we— the ukrainians a lot of weapons oht we-thot— the ukrainians a lot of weapons and we _that - had i and we thought that they had oteguote— and we thought that they had adequate supplies. so what do you— adequate supplies. so what do you ththte— adequate supplies. so what do you think? should we carry on pumping— you think? should we carry on pumping weapons into ukraine in this pumping weapons into ukraine in tho rhohhe— pumping weapons into ukraine in tho e— pumping weapons into ukraine in this manner ? are— pumping weapons into ukraine in this manner ? are we leaving this manner? are we leaving oureetwee—e- this manner? are we leaving ourselves_? let'sl this manner? are we leaving. ourselves_? let's see ourselves vulnerable? let's see what— ourselves vulnerable? let's see what my— ourselves vulnerable? let's see what my head— ourselves vulnerable? let's see what my head head is. think of that.— what my head head is. think of that—is— what my head head is. think of that—is ea- what my head head is. think of that—is gb news,- that. joining me is gb news, a senior political— that. joining me is gb news, a senior political commentator, nigel— senior political commentator, nigel-.— senior political commentator, niget-, and- senior political commentator, nigel-, and also- senior political commentator, nigel , and also a member nigel nelson, and also a member of nigel nelson, and also a member or reormr— nigel nelson, and also a member of reform .former_ nigel nelson, and also a member of reform former mep ben of reform and former mep ben habib. —srrrr- of reform and former mep ben habib. _start withi habib. i'm going to start with you,— habib. i'm going to start with you, nigel-— habib. i'm going to start with you, nigel. you've crane. i rook,— you, nigel. you've crane. i mean, look, a— you, nigel. you've crane. i mean, look, a lot of people are gerrrrg— mean, look, a lot of people are gerrrrg r— mean, look, a lot of people are gerrrrg a bir— mean, look, a lot of people are gerrrrg a rrr or— mean, look, a lot of people are getting a bit of war fatigue. i suspecr— getting a bit of war fatigue. i suspecr rrrr— getting a bit of war fatigue. i suspect that putin wanted that because— suspect that putin wanted that because rear— suspect that putin wanted that because that eventually we may we—er— because that eventually we may we—er giving- because that eventually we may ere—er giving thel we may well tire of giving the ukraine—do! we may well tire of giving the. ukraine—do you ukraine weapons. where do you erred— ukraine weapons. where do you erred wire— ukraine weapons. where do you stand with it? 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weapons they need basically to survive . and one would hope they survive. and one would hope they will have enough to actually win this war show president this war and show president putin that aggression can't be rewarded. so britain has been very good on this. i mean, that ukraine constantly singles us out as the most helpful country. other countries have been less so. germany has been a bit slow off the mark. president biden took his time to agree to abrams tanks being allowed to go to ukraine. same thing with f—16s, which is now cleared the way for it is all dangerous . we risk a it is all dangerous. we risk a confrontate ation with with russia by doing it. but there's no way we can back down now , no way we can back down now, now. and we're not giving f—16s because we don't have any. and we're keeping the typhoons and the lightnings we've got for the defence of britain. but we are, as said, risking quite as you said, risking quite a with vladimir putin. i mean, he is talking about— with vladimir putin. i mean, he is talking about and— with vladimir putin. i mean, he is talking about and i- er: ” " i mean, he is talking about and i know he's ree— is talking about and i know he's he's intimating_ is talking about and i know he's he's intimating that potentially

ree— he's intimating that potentially rre-e looking— he's intimating that potentially he's looking at— he's intimating that potentially he's looking at nuclear war and earring— he's looking at nuclear war and rerkrrg aberr— he's looking at nuclear war and talking about us— he's looking at nuclear war and talking about us as though we're reereree— talking about us as though we're reerereelere— talking about us as though we're isolated-one space.- talking about us as though we're isolated one space. and in isolated in one space. and in my rere— isolated in one space. and in my head r— isolated in one space. and in my head r-eee— isolated in one space. and in my head i-see-brain- isolated in one space. and in my head i see brain he's head i can see in his brain he's winking,— head i can see in his brain he's thinking-they're- head i can see in his brain he's thinking, they're not thinking, well, they're not erreerree — thinking, well, they're not attached to _ thinking, well, they're not attached to europe. da da da da da attached to europe. da da da da ee—rrrrkrrgl attached to europe. da da da da dalsort_thinking. attached to europe. da da da da daisort of-thinking. attached to europe. da da da da da sort of radiation. thinking attached to europe. da da da da da sort of radiation. thinkitg any sort of radiation. how it wru— any sort of radiation. how it win-me— any sort of radiation. how it wru-me rr— any sort of radiation. how it will-me in my- any sort of radiation. how it will me in my mind, will flow to me in my mind, rrererrrg— will flow to me in my mind, listening-this,— will flow to me in my mind, listening this, think we're listening to this, i think we're gerrrre— listening to this, i think we're gerrrre-mere- listening to this, i think we're getting more isolated getting more and more isolated and rm— getting more and more isolated are re rer— getting more and more isolated and i'm not liking— getting more and more isolated and i'm not liking the sound rear-e— and i'm not liking the sound that's coming— and i'm not liking the sound that's coming there , and that's coming out there, and we're also leaving ourselves quire— we're also leaving ourselves quite see quite vulnerable. do you not see reare— quite vulnerable. do you not see mere—re- quite vulnerable. do you not see mere—re err- that? what vulnerable to an eurek— that? what vulnerable to an attack _well, - that? what vulnerable to ani attack _well, what that? what vulnerable to an - attack _well, what have attack by putin? well, what have we got left? we've given- attack by putin? �*frr�*rzgc 913617 we've given them we got left? we've given them everyrrrrre,— we got left? we've given them everything, haven't— grtr. 7 we've given them everything, haven't \rrtr everything, haven't we? no, i mere—rs- everything, haven't we? no, i. mean, the whole thing is we've still got all still got we've still got all our air defence our ships, all our air defence is out is there's ioi typhoons out there still there which are still operational. that's what we need to actually protect. britain shores. we've got our trident submarines can pop up anywhere. so we're certainly not a last resort. nigel aren't they result. nigel aren't they rider,— result. nigel aren't they trident, the _ result. nigelaren't they trident, the last- nigel aren't they trident, the last resort? 4.3; trident, the last resort? yes, rrreerr— trident, the last resort? yes, rrreerr rs— trident, the last resort? yes, trident is the— trident, the last resort? yes, trident is the last- trident, the last resort? yes, trident is the last resort . and trident is the last resort. and one would hope that president putin understands ends that nuclear that a nuclear attack would be a last resort to. well, he's got because he would lose . he's got because he would lose. well, he's got way more weapons, «merry,— actually, than us. but it depende— actually, than us. but it. depends—ere depends if the others are going to depends if the others are going re-beere,— depends if the others are going to-board, because- depends if the others are going to board, because i'm to get on board, because i'm wondering— to get on board, because i'm

wondering whether would. wondering whether they would. so i'm wondering whether they would. so r-m —prebremel i'm increasingly having problems justifyin9_ i'm increasingly having problems ruerrryrrg eur— i'm increasingly having problems justifying our continued support of ukraine. — justifying our continued support of ukraine. and— justifying our continued support of ukraine. ' r: ."rtfirt justifying our continued support of ukraine. ' r: “rtrrt 3”rt of ukraine. and there are a number of reasons for that. the first is that i think our principal geo political aim, which is the protection of western europe and the united kingdom, has been achieved . and kingdom, has been achieved. and we are now fighting we are fighting a proxy war. however justified it may or may not be. it is a proxy war. we're fighting through zelenskyy his armed forces against russia in ukraine an and the government messaging and i scarred government websites to see what is the uk war aim in ukraine. there is no war aim other than as nigel expressed it to throw our weight behind supporting zelenskyy . so what? one of the zelenskyy. so what? one of the things we should have learnt from repeated failed international interventions is that you have to have a very specific and clear aim when you go to war. and we are at war. we're at war in ukraine, we are at war. we are fighting a proxy

war. all through zelenskyy in ukraine. and what we keep saying is that we will allow the ukrainians to decide how, if and when they wish this conflict to end. and so we're giving zelenskyy effectively be an open chequebook and access to western armaments to fight this war as long as he wants. but what would you lung as he wants. but what would you say— lung as he wants. but what would you say re— lung as he wants. but what would you say re weer-e— rtrrg but what would you say to nigel's argument that eerueur— you say to nigel's argument that eerueur rr— you say to nigel's argument that eerueur if we— you say to nigel's argument that actually if we don't do that, reen— actually if we don't do that, then actually— actually if we don't do that, then actually ukraine are in a lot then actually ukraine are in a rerlrreubre— then actually ukraine are in a lot-trouble and— then actually ukraine are in a lot-trouble and it- then actually ukraine are in a lot trouble and it will end lot of trouble and it will end up—we-ul up being a war that we'll all erre— up being a war that we'll all ere-rrerrrree— up being a war that we'll all end fighting? well, i well, end up fighting? well, i well, rear—erm- end up fighting? well, i well, that—aim has- that geopolitical aim has erreeey— that geopolitical aim has already been— that geopolitical aim has already been achieved. . already been achieved. it is not already been achieved. it is not a war we're all— already been achieved. it is not a war we're all going to fight. already been achieved. it is not a wrknow,e all going to fight. already been achieved. it is not a wrknow, thel going to fight. already been achieved. it is not a wrknow, the emperor) fight. already been achieved. it is not a wrknow, the emperor fighting , you know, the emperor fighting, but going on and but you carry on going on and on and is going to go on and and on. it is going to go on and on. but un. but this war on more bordere— on. but this war on more borders, - borders, i borders, more borders, crossing to borders, more borders, crossing re—ere- borders, more borders, crossing re—ere comingl borders, more borders, crossing. re—ere eemrng re to more countries and coming to the to more countries and coming to rre-eer-r— to more countries and coming to the-don't-luuk,- to more countries and coming toj the-don't-luuk, the the uk, i don't know. look, the emererp— the uk, i don't know. look, the emperor has no clothes. russia has been revealed not to be the mass of mighty bear, at least with convention weapons that we all feared it was . this has now all feared it was. this has now become interactive battle, become an interactive battle, virtually , i think, irresolvable

virtually, i think, irresolvable war because russia will not cease to throw men at it. stuck in the south eastern part of ukraine. and this is going to go on and on. i just want to put some on this. the uk some figures on this. the uk contributed 2.3 billion this last year. we've agreed to put another 2.3 billion in this yeah another 2.3 billion in this year. the us put in 75 billion last year. they're going to do another 75 billion this year. we are talking about the gdp of a medium sized country going into this war effort. we need to develop as a government, as a nation. we need to decide what are our aims in ukraine. and i'm afraid if zelenskyy wants our support, our continued support , support, our continued support, there has to be some grown up conversation about how this ends. i don't think you can talk about war aims as far as the uk is concerned because we're not at war. do you not think a proxy re— at war. do you not think a proxy re a — at war. do you not think a proxy war is a war? nu— at war. do you not think a proxy war is a war? nu ,_ at war. do you not think a proxy war is a war? nu , nut- do you not think a proxy war is a war? \rtr t do you not think a proxy war is a war? \rrtr t war is a war? no, not in the same way that if we were fighting in, say, iraq or afghanistan , where we afghanistan, in where we actually a strategy that actually had a strategy that didn't work in either case, but

at had no war aim there at least we had no war aim there ehhen at least we had no war aim there either. well, yes, but that was the either. well, yes, but that was ere-wee— either. well, yes, but that was rre-wee eur— either. well, yes, but that was the .was our fault. - rt well, yes, but that was the was our fault. that the that was our fault. but that was a war that— the that was our fault. but that was a war that we— the that was our fault. but that was a war that we were involved in. was a war that we were involved rr- _e— was a war that we were involved ire—e rr- was a war that we were involved ire—e rr ery- in. this is not a war. if any rero— in. this is not a war. if any mere—ire nato boots cross over into um...— nato boots cross over into ukraine, then _ nato boots cross over into ukraine, then yes , we will be at ukraine, then yes, we will be at wrrrr— ukraine, then yes, we will be at war with russia. _ ukraine, then yes, we will be at war with russia. but we're not. arre— war with russia. but we're not. and rr-e— war with russia. but we're not. are we very— war with russia. but we're not. and it's very important we try very— and it's very important we try very rare— and it's very important we try very here nor— and it's very important we try very hard not to— and it's very important we try very hard not to be at war with russia,— very hard not to be at war with rereere, bur— very hard not to be at war with russia, but having— very hard not to be at war with russia, but having got to the rerrr— russia, but having got to the we or— russia, but having got to the peer or severe— russia, but having got to the point of saying ukraine, we will supper— point of saying ukraine, we will supperr ukraine,— point of saying ukraine, we will support ukraine, fine, as long as support ukraine, fine, as long re re— support ukraine, fine, as long as it's needed— support ukraine, fine, as long as it's needed .— support ukraine, fine, as long as it's needed . i— support ukraine, fine, as long as it's needed . i don't think we as it's needed. i don't think we seem— as it's needed. i don't think we we go— as it's needed. i don't think we should go back— as it's needed. i don't think we should go back on— as it's needed. i don't think we should go back on our word and see— should go back on our word and erep dereg— should go back on our word and erep eerrg rr. — should go back on our word and stop doing it. but— should go back on our word and stop doing it. : stop doing it. but what how does that work , though? let's just that work, though? let's just let's argument's sake, let's just for argument's sake, let's just for argument's sake, let's just for argument's sake, let's just theorise for a second. zelenskyy decides he's going to attack let's going to attack moscow. let's just say he uses the f—16s. he's going to get launch going to get to launch an attack. already that attack. we've already seen that can't no. okay. can't be done. well, no. okay. so okay. now, the i ask so okay. now, the reason i ask the question was to draw you, if i may say so, into saying that. can't be done. yes. so you're prepared to you're prepared to stipulate certain constraints. yes. but you're not prepared to say that actually outside these you know, outside those constrains ? yes. we want a seat

constrains? yes. we want a seat at the table on how this war is prosecuted . yes. because the prusecuted. yes. because the issue— prusecuted. yes. because the wire— prusecuted. yes. because the issue with with— prusecuted. yes. because the issue with with the- f: yes. because the issue with with the example you gave — issue with with the example you gave er— issue with with the example you gave or are — issue with with the example you gave of the f—16_ issue with with the example you gave of the f—16 striking moscow is gave of the f—16 striking moscow re rear— gave of the f—16 striking moscow re rear rear— gave of the f—16 striking moscow is that that america— gave of the f—16 striking moscow is that that america lays down the conditions— is that that america lays down the conditions for— is that that america lays down the conditions for those planes to the conditions for those planes re re— the conditions for those planes to be allowed— the conditions for those planes to be allowed to— the conditions for those planes to be allowed to be used in the wreever— to be allowed to be used in the war. whoever the _ to be allowed to be used in the war. whoever the planes are being— war. whoever the planes are aerag aeea— war. whoever the planes are being used for. _ war. whoever the planes are being used for. now, america erm— being used for. now, america erru hae— being used for. now, america arm has re— being used for. now, america still has to give— being used for. now, america still has to give its permission for weare— still has to give its permission for what? for— still has to give its permission for what? for what they do. what america— for what? for what they do. what amerrea var-r— for what? for what they do. what america won't do— for what? for what they do. what america won't do is— for what? for what they do. what america won't do is give permission— america won't do is give permission for- america won't do is give permission for those planes to ear— permission for those planes to start attacking— permission for those planes to start attacking russian territory-— start attacking russian territory. and if they did start arraevrrg— territory. and if they did start attacking russian territory , attacking russian territory, zereaevvv— attacking russian territory, zelenskyy would lose western evapora— zelenskyy would lose western eaaaerr . — zelenskyy would lose western eaaaerr . okay.— zelenskyy would lose western support . grtr. support. okay, i've just got to develop this. forgive me very quickly. want this to be quickly. so you want this to be a domestic war fought out on ukrainian territory , not ukrainian territory, not prosecuted home for total victory against russia, which could only happen if you were aggressive with russia. you want that intractable long term war in southeast and ukraine, financed by western money. i don't want any war in ukraine. no,— don't want any war in ukraine. na. aar— don't want any war in ukraine. na. bar rear-a— don't want any war in ukraine. no, but that's what— don't want any war in ukraine. no, but that's what that's- don't want any war in ukraine. no, but that's what that's what that's the net effect the war brought brought to an end. are you want. but we don't have a seat at the table on that not

have aim in a war we're have a war aim in a war we're not . what we do is nut fighting. what we must do is keep— nut fighting. what we must do is keep supporflng— nut fighting. what we must do is keep supporting the— �*" g q what we must do is keep supporting the people who are-r. — keep supporting the people who are-rr. war.- keep supporting the people who are-it. well, some. are fighting it. well, some would say it's a proxy war and we fighting it in some we are fighting it in some respects. you. respects. but i hear you. interesting thoughts. what are your gb your thoughts? get in touch. gb views. gb news .uk. or tweet me at gb news or read some of those out. but let's move on to this one. if you've tuned in. one. if you've just tuned in. joining is nigel nelson, joining me now is nigel nelson, also ben habib. they're going head topic. it's head to head on this topic. it's with to retailers. with regard to retailers. they've government they've warned the government that green levies be that green levies due to be imposed from next year, dubbed the tax , will increase the grocery tax, will increase the grocery tax, will increase the household shopping the average household shopping bill now the bill by £140 a year. now the british retail consortium estimates the total cost to be 4 billion and there will be a scheme to charge retailers for council recycling of their packaging that will increase the cost goods packaging that will increase the cost it's goods packaging that will increase the cost it's rolled goods packaging that will increase the cost it's rolled out goods packaging that will increase the cost it's rolled out from oods packaging that will increase the cost it's rolled out from april when it's rolled out from april next year . so what are your next year. so what are your thoughts on that? i'm going to start with ben habib. so on the one got rishi sunak one hand, you've got rishi sunak going hand to tesco, going cap in hand to tesco, sainsbury's , asda. please cap sainsbury's, asda. please cap your area. — sainsbury's, asda. please cap your area. err— sainsbury's, asda. please cap your prices. on the— '~;frr:3 please cap your prices. on the other hand ,

your prices. on the other hand, rev-re— your prices. on the other hand, they're instituting _ your prices. on the other hand, they're instituting an effective aaarrrerar— they're instituting an effective additional tax— they're instituting an effective additional tax on _ they're instituting an effective additional tax on retailers , additional tax on retailers, wareh— additional tax on retailers, vrrerr re— additional tax on retailers, which is going— additional tax on retailers, which is going to increase the eeer— which is going to increase the eeer av— which is going to increase the eeer by r— which is going to increase the cost by 4 billion— which is going to increase the cost by 4 billion a year, which by rhe— cost by 4 billion a year, which by are wav— cost by 4 billion a year, which by the way, equates to about 1% on by the way, equates to about 1% are are— by the way, equates to about 1% are are basic— by the way, equates to about 1% on the basic rate— by the way, equates to about 1% on the basic rate of— by the way, equates to about 1% on the basic rate of tax. they eeara— on the basic rate of tax. they eeara ear— on the basic rate of tax. they could cut taxes— on the basic rate of tax. they could cut taxes by- on the basic rate of tax. they could cut taxes by 1% if they verna— could cut taxes by 1% if they vvererrr-, vea- could cut taxes by 1% if they weren't , you know, if weren't levying, you know, if reev— weren't levying, you know, if rrev were— weren't levying, you know, if raev ae— weren't levying, you know, if they were as a— weren't levying, you know, if they were as a as— weren't levying, you know, if they were as a as a parallel to rare— they were as a as a parallel to me earra— they were as a as a parallel to this extra cost. _ they were as a as a parallel to this extra cost. and it is i'm afraid— this extra cost. and it is i'm afraid rr— this extra cost. and it is i'm afraid rr re— this extra cost. and it is i'm afraid it is just— this extra cost. and it is i'm afraid it is just more nonsense ear— afraid it is just more nonsense ear or— afraid it is just more nonsense ear or rare— afraid it is just more nonsense out of this high— afraid it is just more nonsense out of this high taxation, high eaeaarre— out of this high taxation, high eaeaarag .— out of this high taxation, high eaeaarag , high— out of this high taxation, high spending , high interventionist. spending, high interventionist. it's spending, high interventionist. rr-e ee— spending, high interventionist. rr-e earring— spending, high interventionist. it's so tiring conservative government. _ it's so tiring conservative government. what we need to do is , re— government. what we need to do is , re revere— government. what we need to do is , is reduce taxes— government. what we need to do is , is reduce taxes on business, is, is reduce taxes on business, eaeae— is, is reduce taxes on business, reaeae raves— is, is reduce taxes on business, reduce taxes on— is, is reduce taxes on business, reduce taxes on individuals, get peopte— reduce taxes on individuals, get people rack— reduce taxes on individuals, get people back into— reduce taxes on individuals, get people back into the workforce, get people back into the workforce, eer peopte— people back into the workforce, get people prosperous again, get the get people prosperous again, get rrre eeeremv— get people prosperous again, get are eeeremv .— get people prosperous again, get the economy , be— get people prosperous again, get the economy , be growing, not the economy, be growing, not taxing— the economy, be growing, not raving rr— the economy, be growing, not taxing it down— the economy, be growing, not taxing it down into these ever aeereaerrre— taxing it down into these ever decreasing circles, you know, eave— decreasing circles, you know, down a— decreasing circles, you know, down a plughole, which i think is rhe— down a plughole, which i think is the expression— down a plughole, which i think is the expression i used last arme— is the expression i used last rrme r— is the expression i used last rrme r va— is the expression i used last rrme r err— is the expression i used last time i was on your show. and rare— time i was on your show. and this-another— time i was on your show. and this-another step- time i was on your show. and this another step in the this is another step in the wrong— this is another step in the wrong direction. we've got to area— wrong direction. we've got to stop interfering— wrong direction. we've got to stop interfering in in in markers.— stop interfering in in in markets. we've got to let markers— markets. we've got to let markets sort— markets. we've got to let markets sort themselves out. rrev-re— markets sort themselves out. rrev-re rever— markets sort themselves out. they're never going- markets sort themselves out. they're never going to- markets sort themselves out. i they're never going tu.that . they're never going to do that. nigel, 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think the situation here is- think the situation here is i agree— think the situation here is i agree vira— think the situation here is i agree with ben— think the situation here is i agree with ben that government think the situation here is i agree isth ben that government think the situation here is i agree is a ben that government think the situation here is i agree is a bitl that government think the situation here is i agree is a bit contradictory�*nent think the situation here is i agree is a bit contradictory onlt policy is a bit contradictory on rare— policy is a bit contradictory on rare-sa— policy is a bit contradictory on rare-so, ea— policy is a bit contradictory on rare-so, ea r— policy is a bit contradictory on this-so, so i do- policy is a bit contradictory on this so, so i do take that this one. so, so i do take that rarer.— this one. so, so i do take that point. however,— this one. so, so i do take that point. however, when it comes down— point. however, when it comes down .effectively_ point. however, when it comes down effectively what is down to effectively what is a grocery— down to effectively what is a grocery rav— down to effectively what is a grocery rav .— down to effectively what is a grocery rav , rr— down to effectively what is a grocery tax , it does depend on grocery tax, it does depend on where— grocery tax, it does depend on where vea— grocery tax, it does depend on whether you believe in net zero. arra— whether you believe in net zero. ara rr— whether you believe in net zero. and if vea— whether you believe in net zero. and if you believe— whether you believe in net zero. and if you believe in net zero arra— and if you believe in net zero and gerrrag— and if you believe in net zero and gerrrag re— and if you believe in net zero and getting to that target by 2050,— and getting to that target by 2050, we — and getting to that target by 2050, we are all— and getting to that target by 2050, we are all going to have to pay— 2050, we are all going to have re aav eemerarre— 2050, we are all going to have to pay something .— 2050, we are all going to have to pay something . now, the to pay something. now, the figure— to pay something. now, the figure or— to pay something. now, the figure of the— to pay something. now, the figure of the british retail careerrram— figure of the british retail consortium come up with that. var-ve— consortium come up with that. verve aaarea— consortium come up with that. you've quoted is— consortium come up with that. you've quoted is not backed up by rhe— you've quoted is not backed up by the official— you've quoted is not backed up by the official figure, which wareh— by the official figure, which vrrerr reev— by the official figure, which which they say— by the official figure, which which they say the grocers would go which they say the grocers would 90 up— which they say the grocers would go up by— which they say the grocers would go up by arrear— which they say the grocers would go up by about what, under a pound— go up by about what, under a pound a— go up by about what, under a pound a veer. — go up by about what, under a pound a week. so— go up by about what, under a pound a week. so there's about are— pound a week. so there's about are rarrrer— pound a week. so there's about £48 rather than— pound a week. so there's about £48 rather than the 140 that the barrera— £48 rather than the 140 that the british retail— £48 rather than the 140 that the british retail consortium are raving— british retail consortium are talking about,— british retail consortium are talking about, who would always appose— talking about, who would always oppose something— talking about, who would always oppose something like this. they repreeerrr— oppose something like this. they reareeerr arre— oppose something like this. they represent the big— oppose something like this. they represent the big supermarkets. they— represent the big supermarkets. rrev eer-r— represent the big supermarkets. they don't like— represent the big supermarkets. they don't like anything that migra— they don't like anything that mrgrr eeer— they don't like anything that might cost will— they don't like anything that might cost will go up. \r gt. might cost will go up. nigel nu might cost will go up. nigel no one's disputing costs will go, costs will go up. but this is my parr- — custs will go up. but this is my perver- ara— costs will go up. but this is my point. and if when there's a cost living crisis. yeah, if cost of living crisis. yeah, if you in it, have you believe in it, we all have to actually something . to actually pay something. okay, listen, costs will okay, well, listen, costs will arvave— okay, well, listen, costs will arvave-rave- okay, well, listen, costs will always- have seen always go up. have you ever seen rrem —

always go up. have you ever seen rrem _ta— always go up. have you ever seen teem-ne rater.- always go up. have you ever seen them no right. let's them go down? no right. let's move-re— them go down? no right. let's mavelre arre— them go down? no right. let's move-to the final- them go down? no right. let's move to the final story for move on to the final story for rare— move on to the final story for me hear.— move on to the final story for this hour. but— move on to the final story for this hour. but stay tuned beeaaee— this hour. but stay tuned- because—more because we've got loads more erm— because we've got loads more errrr—preeraml because we've got loads more| arm—program . still to come on the program. now:— still to come on the program. nev, rare— still to come on the program. now, this .the— still to come on the program. now, this-the itv.- still to come on the program. now, this the itv. i know. now, this is the itv. i know. user,— now, this is the itv. i know. uerera rr-e— now, this is the itv. i know. listen, it's about— now, this is the itv. i know. listen, it's about the editor of rare— listen, it's about the editor of rare morning-— listen, it's about the editor of this morning. and i've spoken out this morning. and i've spoken ear-arre— this morning. and i've spoken out the disgraced out about the disgraced aeaarrare— departure of phillip schofield fram— departure of phillip schofield from are— departure of phillip schofield from the program. martin frizell has from the program. martin frizell rrae eard— from the program. martin frizell has said ra— from the program. martin frizell has said to read— from the program. martin frizell has said to read to— from the program. martin frizell has said to read to read between the has said to read to read between rrre urea.— has said to read to read between the lines. that's— has said to read to read between the lines. that's what he's eavrag— the lines. that's what he's eavrag amia— the lines. that's what he's saying amid accusations of a reare— saying amid accusations of a are verv— saying amid accusations of a toxic work environment at itv, he added— toxic work environment at itv, he added that— toxic work environment at itv, he added that he— toxic work environment at itv, he added that he thinks that the severe,— he added that he thinks that the eeraere rrre — he added that he thinks that the schools, the schools are being aerated.— schools, the schools are being settled-what— schools, the schools are being settled. .what do - schools, the schools are being settled. what do you think ? settled. so what do you think? is settled. so what do you think? re-rrv— settled. so what do you think? re-rrv being- is toxicity at itv being highlighted— is toxicity at itv being highlighted enough or do you even care ? right. nigel nelson, even care? right. nigel nelson, i'm—vou- even care? right. nigel nelson, r-m—vea . | i'm going to start with you. yeah.— i'm going to start with you. yeah. r— i'm going to start with you. yeah, l think— i'm going to start with you. yeah, i think probably- i'm going to start with you. yeah, i think probably because we in television, we all work in television, we care about and i think we all work in television, we care especiallyt and i think we all work in television, we care especially for and i think we all work in television, we care especially for such i think we all work in television, we care especially for such a think that especially for such a popular programme like this morning, viewers care to. so yes, they want to know what is going on behind the scenes . i going on behind the scenes. i think we might actually find out . i was surprised that the . i was a bit surprised that the culture and media select committee decided to hold their own inquiry and get involved, largely because i couldn't quite see how this whole affair was a matter for parliament. but now

that they have got involved and we've got the independent inquiry that everyone's been calling for and itv executives will have to come to that inquiry and answer the questions that were all asking what is this toxic culture that exists there ? i think we need some more there? i think we need some more examples other than phillip schofield that eamonn holmes has been great about giving us some concrete examples , a lot of concrete examples, a lot of material in the sunday papers today talks rather vaguely of bullying and this toxic culture but doesn't actually give a specific because they can't really give any names and some of some of the people apparently signed what is signed give examples of what is meant is meant to be going on which is not coming the not not coming out at the moment, but some people sign non—disclosure agreements so they give much they couldn't give too much detail. but there was one that i read—eard— detail. but there was one that i read—said actually. read where they said actually rear— read where they said actually that- actually— read where they said actually that-actually-to.| read where they said actually that were lctually to. read where they said actually that were hoping to. read where they said actually that were hoping that to. read where they said actually that were hoping that the :o. read where they said actually that were hoping that the bus they were hoping that the bus weara— they were hoping that the bus veara—rrerrl would run them over on their way to would run them over on their way re verv— would run them over on their way to work because— would run them over on their way to work because they didn't want to work because they didn't want ra—aeeaaee- to work because they didn't want to _ because they - to work because they didn't want to-it.-because they- to work because they didn't want to it. much.luse they to work because they didn't want to it. much. and they to work because they didn't want to it. much. and that and hated it. so much. and that and rear—reev— hated it. so much. and that and that_they.don't. hated it. so much. and that and that what they don't hated it. so much. and that and that what hated. don't hated it. so much. and that and that what hated. butrn't hated it. so much. and that and that what hated. but going know what was hated. but going to know what was hated. but going re-aeraauv— know what was hated. but going to-actually-being- to work actually and being there and they said every time they heard—ar- and they said every time they heard—er rrvl heard the theme tune of itv, reev— heard the theme tune of itv, rrev — heard the theme tune of itv, they were triggered well , they were triggered as well, wareh— they were triggered as well, veer—veal they were triggered as well,| which—you quit they were triggered as well,| whicijob_you quit they were triggered as well,

whicijob now you quit they were triggered as well, whicijob now if you quit they were triggered as well, whicijob now if it you quit they were triggered as well, whicijob now if it wasou quit they were triggered as well, whicijob now if it was thatlit they were triggered as well, whicijob now if it was that bad. your job now if it was that bad. war,— your job now if it was that bad. war, depende— your job now if it was that bad. well, depends how well, well, depends how much. well, you well, depends how much. well,| var—var you might need the money. you ear-r— you might need the money. you carer—rr- can't just go like that if var-ve— can't just go like that if you've—pavl can't just go like that if. verve—pay are you've got bills to pay and mearrre— mouths to feed. ben well, i mean,_there's- mouths to feed. ben well, i mean, there's something mean, clearly there's something going on at itv that's not good. it hasn't been bad enough, at least yet. the revelations haven't been bad enough to trigger a criminal investigation. and ndas don't . investigation. and ndas don't. ndas are set aside when it comes to criminal acts . they have no to criminal acts. they have no force . so what i'm trying to force. so what i'm trying to grapple with is the extent to which this is a genuine public interest issue . itv has clearly interest issue. itv has clearly got a problem there in our sitting rooms 24 over seven because they're on the airwaves. but is it really something parliament should be getting involved with? if the criminal hurdle hasn't yet been triggered? and i would like to see more specific examples of what this toxicity is with names being named and with you know, formal complaints being made so that we but that's like whistle

blowing. and, you know, that bluwing. and, you know, that eerrermeer— bluwing. and, you know, that sometimes if— bluwing. and, you know, that sometimes if they're - g and, you know, that sometimes if they're not prereerea— sometimes if they're not prereerea av— sometimes if they're not protected by any laws within the but protected by any laws within the bar ar— protected by any laws within the bar ar arre— protected by any laws within the but at the moment we're vreerrrre— but at the moment we're vreerrrrela— but at the moment we're- wrestlingla-innuendo wrestling in a mud of innuendo arra— wrestling in a mud of innuendo are re— wrestling in a mud of innuendo are re hara— wrestling in a mud of innuendo and it's hard to— wrestling in a mud of innuendo and it's hard to get clarity on whar— and it's hard to get clarity on vrrar rare— and it's hard to get clarity on what this subject— and it's hard to get clarity on what this subject is. t“ what this subject is. i mean, there— what this subject is. i mean, there ar— what this subject is. i mean, there are people who say to me that one of the reasons phillip schofield targeted schofield is being targeted is because , because because of homophobia, because it's rubbish. but people do say that. well, he said it. he said it. yeah, i've heard it from other people know, gay other people too. you know, gay people who, you i've people who, you know, i've chatted said , well, you chatted with and said, well, you know, may know, we fear that he may be targeted gay. and targeted because he's gay. and but, you know, imagine what okay, let's swing the okay, so let's swing the scenario and it was scenariu around. and it was a rrereraeevaar— f r: and it was a heterosexual relationship , but heterosexual relationship, but the heterosexual relationship, but are person— heterosexual relationship, but the person was— heterosexual relationship, but the person was young, not mega— the person was young, not rueearlbar— the person was young, not illegal but person was very illegal, but the person was very young-— illegal, but the person was very young. r— illegal, but the person was very young- r rarer— illegal, but the person was very young. i think that would aeraauv— young. i think that would. actually _worse. actually be looked on worse. ovav. — actually be looked on worse. ovav. _eel okay. so a young girl, so i rarer— okay. so a young girl, so i rarer rear— okay. so a young girl, so i think that that— okay. so a young girl, so i think that that would. so what do think that that would. su what do vea— think that that would. so what are you make— think that that would. su what are you make ar— think that that would. so what do you make of al pacino at the age fathering a child, i age of 83, fathering a child, i think year old girl, think with a 29 year old girl, how does that 29, though, and but this guy is 28 now. they're not workplace, but this guy is 28 now. they're not-workplace, are - but this guy is 28 now. they're not-workplace, are they?| not in the workplace, are they? rare— not in the workplace, are they? rare-wear, — not in the workplace, are they? this _well, they're - this is just well, they're not in .workplace_ this is just well, they're not in workplace and there's not in the workplace and there's not an arme— in the workplace and there's not an abuse or— in the workplace and there's not an abuse of power— in the workplace and there's not an abuse of power as we see, aaaee— an abuse of power as we see, abuse-re— an abuse of power as we see, abuse-re me- an abuse of power as we see, abuse-is the key. an abuse of power as we see, abuse is the key to abuse of power is the key to

mm. — abuse of power is the key to mm. year.— abuse of power is the key to this. yeah. yeah.- abuse of power is the key to this. “cir?" yeah. i abuse of power is the key to this. / yeah. i mean i'd this. yeah. yeah. i mean i'd rive— this. yeah. yeah. i mean i'd are re— this. yeah. yeah. i mean i'd are re eee— this. yeah. yeah. i mean i'd like to see more.— this. yeah. yeah. i mean i'd like to see more. i'd- this. / yeah. i mean i'd like to see more. i'd like more concrete evidence— like to see more. i'd like more concrete evidence of wrongdoing and concrete evidence of wrongdoing are a— concrete evidence of wrongdoing are a errmmar— concrete evidence of wrongdoing and a criminal complaint being made— and a criminal complaint being made .— and a criminal complaint being made . ama— and a criminal complaint being made . and then— and a criminal complaint being made . and then i— and a criminal complaint being made . and then i think we can made. and then i think we can all made. and then i think we can an eav— made. and then i think we can an savr war,— made. and then i think we can all say, well, there— made. and then i think we can all say, well, there you go. vea— all say, well, there you go. you mav— all say, well, there you go. you know that— all say, well, there you go. you know that that- all say, well, there you go. you know that that depends. if there's anything, any criminality all happening criminality at all happening there, you there, it might all be, you know, are elements know, there are elements of hearsay and maybe hearsay and people and maybe martin frizell has a slight point people martin frizell has a slight poin have people martin frizell has a slight poin have scores people martin frizell has a slight poin have scores to people martin frizell has a slight poin have scores to settle ole martin frizell has a slight poin have scores to settle who who have scores to settle who aren't the way aren't happy with the way they've tv. they've been treated by our tv. but there does seem to be a lot they've been treated by our tv. bupeople does seem to be a lot they've been treated by our tv. bupeople who seem to be a lot they've been treated by our tv. bupeople who aren't to be a lot they've been treated by our tv. bupeople who aren't happya lot they've been treated by our tv. bupeople who aren't happy bylt of people who aren't happy by the way they've been treated by itv. see what we've itv. but let's see what we've seen. a lot of have been seen. a lot of you have been saying, keep your thoughts and messages we messages coming in. well, we did request statement from itv and messages coming in. well, we did restatementatement from itv and messages coming in. well, we did restatement azment from itv and messages coming in. well, we did restatement a spokespersonv and messages coming in. well, we did restatement a spokesperson saidj a statement a spokesperson said this, itv and the this morning team are incredibly proud of the 12.5 hours of award winning live television . they produce five television. they produce five days a week. it takes a huge team of people to pull all that together to make the award winning much loved programme, which each week reaches 4.4 million loyal viewers . now it's million loyal viewers. now it's a fast paced environment , a fast paced environment, turning around a daily show that

covers lviv and ever changing issues as we have robust mechanisms in place for complaints to be raised and those that are appropriately investigated so that those what we're hearing from this morning team is that they just don't recognise the picture that some are painting about the show. so that's what they're saying . but that's what they're saying. but i presume there will be loads more of it. i mean, holly is apparently returning to the sofa on monday. we'll stay with me. there's still loads more to come. got my monologue. come. i've got my monologue. i'll electric i'll be talking about electric cars. i'll be talking about electric cars . stay tuned. this i'll be talking about electric cars. stay tuned. this is gb news. there's loads more to come in next hour. plus my in the next hour. plus my mystery outside don't go mystery outside guests don't go anywhere .

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, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. , online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . and for the next i'm nana akua. and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right show is all right now. this show is all about mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we will be debating, discussing, times we will discussing, and at times we will disagree, but will be disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining today cancelled. so joining me today is gb news political commentator nigel nelson and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. before we get started, let's get your latest news headunes. let's get your latest news headlines . nana thank you. good headlines. nana thank you. good afternoon. here's your top stories from the newsroom at 4:00. a man has been charged after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa cup final yesterday which appeared to have an offensive reference to the hillsborough disaster. 33 year old james white from warwickshire has been charged with displaying , threatening or with displaying, threatening or abusive writing . he is expected abusive writing. he is expected to appear at willesden magistrates court next week. 97

liverpool fans died in 1989 at hillsborough stadium in sheffield . indian authorities sheffield. indian authorities say a signal problem was likely responsible for the country's worst train crash in decades. the number of people who were killed in the accident has now been revised down to 275. another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary freight train before derailing and striking a second passing train. prime minister narendra modi, who faces election next yean modi, who faces election next year, says those found guilty will be punished . the will be punished. the immigration minister has told gb news it's wrong for migrants to demand better hotel accommodation while waiting for their asylum claims to be processed . it's after a protest processed. it's after a protest was sparked in london by migrants being asked to sleep four to a room. speaking to camilla tominey, robert jenrick said the government will never put their interest rates above the british public. he also said sharing hotel rooms is necessary

to get value for taxpayers money. remember, these are muney. remember, these are mreram— muney. remember, these are mreram vee— muney. remember, these are migrant who have— o’niilyr remember, these are migrant who have said they are aeerrrare— migrant who have said they are aeerrrare .— migrant who have said they are destitute . they— migrant who have said they are destitute . they have said that destitute. they have said that reev— destitute. they have said that rmev mave— destitute. they have said that they have absolutely nowhere to eav— they have absolutely nowhere to stavr me— they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends,— they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends, no— they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends, no family , no stay, no friends, no family, no mev— stay, no friends, no family, no mev ama— stay, no friends, no family, no money, and the— stay, no friends, no family, no money, and the taxpayer is separate— money, and the taxpayer is stepping up— money, and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing them vim— stepping up and providing them vrrm good— stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation and beara— with good quality accommodation and team are— with good quality accommodation and board and lodgings. and so mose— and board and lodgings. and so rmeee r— and board and lodgings. and so rmeee r armr— and board and lodgings. and so those i think those migrants are mere— those i think those migrants are more re— those i think those migrants are wrong to protest— those i think those migrants are wrong to protest and say that reev— wrong to protest and say that mev deserve— wrong to protest and say that they deserve to— wrong to protest and say that they deserve to have single bedrooms— they deserve to have single bedrooms with— they deserve to have single bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and bedrooms with en suite bathrooms are ee— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms are so ama— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm pleased to mar— and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common— and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common sense seems to have— see that common sense seems to have prevarrea— see that common sense seems to have prevarrea m— see that common sense seems to have prevailed in this case. a lamar— have prevailed in this case. a lamar rar— have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has— have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told gb news vrerrme— labour mp has told gb news vrerrme are— labour mp has told gb news victims are too— labour mp has told gb news victims are too scared to complain— victims are too scared to complain about sexual predators in parliament. _ complain about sexual predators in parliament. \r f in parliament. charlotte nichols told camilla tominey that harassment is baked into every single part of how westminster operates. she also accused the labour party of choosing not to act on concerns raised by a number of colleagues over a very long period. her comments come after she revealed being handed after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps she should avoid when first becoming an mp

. it's happened to me in meetings during the middle of the working day. i've had colleagues do things like inappropriate touching , you inappropriate touching, you know, their hand on your leg or on your back or making comments towards you and on someone that , as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster is relatively protected by virtue of being an mp . so how much of being an mp. so how much worse it must be if you're someone who has less power in the institution , where you're the institution, where you're more likely to experience it and even less able to speak out when it happens . the prime minister it happens. the prime minister is stressing the importance of a close and candid relationship with the us president ahead of his visit to the white house. next week. rishi sunak is expected to attend a baseball game in washington , dc. prior to game in washington, dc. prior to talks with joe biden. he'll also be meeting business executives in an attempt to build closer economic ties between . the two economic ties between. the two countries. more than 2600 nhs staff in scotland have taken

time off work due to long covid, with some off sick for more than two years. that's according to freedom of information requests by the scottish liberal democrats . and the scottish democrats. and the scottish government says it's investing £10 million into the long covid support fund . the duke of sussex support fund. the duke of sussex will appear at the high court tomorrow to give evidence against the publisher of the daily mirror over alleged unlawful information gathering . unlawful information gathering. harry claims around 140 published articles contained information gathered using unlawful methods , including unlawful methods, including phone hacking . mirror group phone hacking. mirror group newspapers is contesting the claims. royal correspondent michael cole says it'll be very unusual to see a royal on the witness stand . a royal prince witness stand. a royal prince going— witness stand. a royal prince going rare— witness stand. a royal prince going me me— : a royal prince going into the witness box to give— going into the witness box to give evidence _ going into the witness box to give evidence in— going into the witness box to give evidence in a very contentious— give evidence in a very contentious case against mirror group— contentious case against mirror group newspapers . that hasn't group newspapers. that hasn't happened— group newspapers. that hasn't happened ever— group newspapers. that hasn't happened ever since the 19th century-— happened ever since the 19th eemarv. rr— happened ever since the 19th

eemrarv. rr re— happened ever since the 19th century. it is unpressed dented mere-e— century. it is unpressed dented mean there's nothing in the emera— mean there's nothing in the british constitution that says a reva— british constitution that says a royal armee— british constitution that says a royal prince cannot give evidence— royal prince cannot give evidence or— royal prince cannot give evidence or cannot be called to give— evidence or cannot be called to give re— evidence or cannot be called to give re a— evidence or cannot be called to grve re a be— evidence or cannot be called to grve re a be a— evidence or cannot be called to give to a be a witness . ” give to a be a witness. fuur emrarem— give to a be a witness. fuur children have— give to a be a witness. four children have died and a man is missing in canada after they were swept into a river in quebec. police say the group were fishing when the incident happened. were fishing when the incident happened . the children who were happened. the children who were all over the age of ten were found unresponsive on the shore. six other people were rescued . six other people were rescued. you're up to date on gb news now it's back to nana . it's back to nana. thank you, bethany . it's it's back to nana. thank you, bethany. it's just coming up thank yuu, bethany. it's just came up re— thank you, bethany. it's just coming up to five— it's just coming up to five minutes after rroo.— coming up to five minutes after rroo. rare— coming up to five minutes after rroo. rme re— coming up to five minutes after 4:00. this is gb— coming up to five minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv enume— 4:00. this is gb news on tv emme ama— 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on— 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nama— online and on digital radio. i'm nara akua— online and on digital radio. i'm nara akua .— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . how— online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . how dirty do you need nana akua. how dirty do you need to nana akua. how dirty do you need re 90— nana akua. how dirty do you need re 90 re— nana akua. how dirty do you need re 90 re eer— nana akua. how dirty do you need re 90 re eer green— nana akua. how dirty do you need to go to get green now? i am reererme— to go to get green now? i am resisting this— to go to get green now? i am resisting this nonsense with every— resisting this nonsense with every emevv— resisting this nonsense with every sinew of—

resisting this nonsense with every sinew of my body. i will mar— every sinew of my body. i will mar buy— every sinew of my body. i will mar buy am— every sinew of my body. i will not buy an electric car. i will mv— not buy an electric car. i will my pover— not buy an electric car. i will use my power as— not buy an electric car. i will use my power as a consumer to use my power as a consumer lo arerare— use my power as a consumer lo arerare me— use my power as a consumer to dictate the narrative and i eaeeeer— dictate the narrative and i eaeeeer mar— dictate the narrative and i suggest that we all do the same . i suggest that we all do the same . r meam— suggest that we all do the same . r veam— suggest that we all do the same . r veam r— suggest that we all do the same . i mean, yeah, i agree in some areas we need better air quality , bar— areas we need better air quality , bar r— areas we need better air quality , bar r area— areas we need better air quality , but i also subscribe to a bearer— , but i also subscribe to a better environmental aunt. to being— better environmental aunt. to being green— better environmental aunt. to me, being green doesn't just mer— me, being green doesn't just r-aer m— me, being green doesn't just mean just in my— me, being green doesn't just mean just in my backyard and to reu— mean just in my backyard and to men vim— mean just in my backyard and to hell with those— mean just in my backyard and to hell with those who suffer as a consequence of— hell with those who suffer as a consequence of my greenness. it reme— consequence of my greenness. it means being environmentally rrremarv— means being environmentally rrremarv m— means being environmentally friendly in all— means being environmentally friendly in all aspects of the protector— friendly in all aspects of the production chain, and i'm armature— production chain, and i'm erraegrme .— production chain, and i'm struggling , really struggling to struggling, really struggling to work— struggling, really struggling to were ear— struggling, really struggling to were our why— struggling, really struggling to work out why anyone driving one of work out why anyone driving one or tree— work out why anyone driving one or tree eve— work out why anyone driving one of these evs thinks— work out why anyone driving one of these evs thinks that they're doing— of these evs thinks that they're doing geod— of these evs thinks that they're doing good for— of these evs thinks that they're doing good for the planet . a doing good for the planet. a reame— doing good for the planet. a round or— doing good for the planet. a round of applause that the emissions— round of applause that the emissions are— round of applause that the emissions are zero. carbon on me— emissions are zero. carbon on me read— emissions are zero. carbon on me read .— emissions are zero. carbon on me read . ear— emissions are zero. carbon on the road . but what about at the road. but what about at source ? how— the road. but what about at source ? how much carbon did it source? how much carbon did it rave— source? how much carbon did it rave re— source? how much carbon did it rave re mave— source? how much carbon did it take to make it— source? how much carbon did it take to make it in— source? how much carbon did it take to make it in the first macer— take to make it in the first praeee ama— take to make it in the first place? and what enviro mental eeere— place? and what enviro mental eeere semes— place? and what enviro mental cost? sounds to _ place? and what enviro mental cost? sounds to me like a case of ear— cost? sounds to me like a case of ear or— cost? sounds to me like a case of out of sight,— cost? sounds to me like a case of out of sight, out— cost? sounds to me like a case of out of sight, out of mind. ama— of out of sight, out of mind. and a— of out of sight, out of mind. and a rar— of out of sight, out of mind. and a er of— of out of sight, out of mind. and a lot of people agree with me. rowan atkinson one of my ravearrree.— me. rowan atkinson one of my favourites. remember him in eraevaaaer— favourites. remember him in eraevaaaer .— favourites. remember him in blackadder , and then there was blackadder, and then there was barrack.— blackadder, and then there was eararrev. r— blackadder, and then there was baldrick. i have— blackadder, and then there was baldrick. i have a— blackadder, and then there was baldrick. i have a cunning plan, my lara.— baldrick. i have a cunning plan, my lara. revam— baldrick. i have a cunning plan,

my lord. rowan has an electrical ama— my lord. rowan has an electrical and am— my lord. rowan has an electrical and an electrical— my lord. rowan has an electrical and an electrical engineering degree— and an electrical engineering degree ama— and an electrical engineering degree and after— and an electrical engineering degree and after owning hybrid and ereerrre— degree and after owning hybrid and electric vehicles, he said ereerrre— and electric vehicles, he said electric motoring— and electric vehicles, he said electric motoring doesn't seem to electric motoring doesn't seem re re— electric motoring doesn't seem be be gube— electric motoring doesn't seem be be we be— electric motoring doesn't seem to be quite the environmental barreaea— to be quite the environmental bamaea mar— to be quite the environmental panacea that it's— to be quite the environmental panacea that it's claimed to be. he panacea that it's claimed to be. be permea— panacea that it's claimed to be. be bemrea aar— panacea that it's claimed to be. he pointed out that the greenhouse— he pointed out that the greenhouse gas emissions are 70% brgber— greenhouse gas emissions are 70% higher rbam— greenhouse gas emissions are 70% higher than manufacturing petrol cars higher than manufacturing petrol ama— higher than manufacturing petrol ama mar— higher than manufacturing petrol cars and that the— higher than manufacturing petrol cars and that the lithium ion barrerree— cars and that the lithium ion batteries require— cars and that the lithium ion batteries require rare earth merab— batteries require rare earth merab ama— batteries require rare earth metal and huge amounts of energy to metal and huge amounts of energy be make. — metal and huge amounts of energy be make. ama— metal and huge amounts of energy to make. and he's— metal and huge amounts of energy to make. and he's not wrong , but to make. and he's not wrong, but it's to make. and he's not wrong, but be eemerbmg— to make. and he's not wrong, but it's something i've— to make. and he's not wrong, but it's something i've been saying fram— it's something i've been saying from be— it's something i've been saying from the start.— it's something i've been saying from the start. i— it's something i've been saying from the start. i mean, it deem-r— from the start. i mean, it doesn't make— from the start. i mean, it doesn't make any sense. ask veareeveeb — doesn't make any sense. ask yourselves, where did they abram— yourselves, where did they abram rbe — yourselves, where did they obtain the lithium for the barrerve— obtain the lithium for the battery? each— obtain the lithium for the battery? each of these cars eemrammg— battery? each of these cars containing some 4000 cylinders vbe— containing some 4000 cylinders vbe mmea— containing some 4000 cylinders vbe mmea rer— containing some 4000 cylinders who mined for it.— containing some 4000 cylinders who mined for it. and how did it get who mined for it. and how did it ger re— who mined for it. and how did it ger re veer— who mined for it. and how did it get to your door?— who mined for it. and how did it get to your door? round of abbbaaee— get to your door? round of abbbaaee re— get to your door? round of applause to you with your eco ereaemrrabe. — applause to you with your eco credentials. drive— applause to you with your eco credentials. drive your electric car credentials. drive your electric ar— credentials. drive your electric ar beaer— credentials. drive your electric car at least you're— credentials. drive your electric car at least you're not barbarmg— car at least you're not polluting the- car at least you're not polluting the atmosphere near veer— polluting the atmosphere near your berse— polluting the atmosphere near your house and— polluting the atmosphere near your house and what source is producing— your house and what source is breaaemg mar— your house and what source is producing that electricity that var-re— producing that electricity that var-re aemg— producing that electricity that var-re aemg ra— producing that electricity that you're using to power the vebrebee— you're using to power the vehicle? more— you're using to power the vehicle? more likely , it's vehicle? more likely, it's been— vehicle? more likely, it's fossil fuels. _ vehicle? more likely, it's fossil fuels. and if it's wind . fossil fuels. and if it's wind. ama— fossil fuels. and if it's wind. ame bev— fossil fuels. and if it's wind. ame bav ara— fossil fuels. and if it's wind. and how did they make the

rarbmee— and how did they make the rarbmee e— and how did they make the turbines ? i— and how did they make the turbines ? i guarantee you that turbines? i guarantee you that been— turbines? i guarantee you that been mere— turbines? i guarantee you that fossil fuels are— turbines? i guarantee you that fossil fuels are involved and array— fossil fuels are involved and actually wind— fossil fuels are involved and actually wind turbines aren't mar— actually wind turbines aren't rbar grear— actually wind turbines aren't that great for— actually wind turbines aren't that great for the animals whose babrrar— that great for the animals whose babrrar rbev— that great for the animals whose habitat they encroach on. from vbar— habitat they encroach on. from vbar r-ve— habitat they encroach on. from what i've heard,— habitat they encroach on. from what i've heard, animals are being— what i've heard, animals are being brev— what i've heard, animals are being nick gibb— what i've heard, animals are being nick gibb actively rmbaerea— being nick gibb actively rmbaerea by— being nick gibb actively impacted by them, particularly in impacted by them, particularly m be— impacted by them, particularly m are ea— impacted by them, particularly in the sea where— impacted by them, particularly in the sea where the hum is causing— in the sea where the hum is causing interference, even digging— causing interference, even digging up— causing interference, even digging up pavements for the ebargmg— digging up pavements for the ebargmg bamb— digging up pavements for the charging points of these evs vbere— charging points of these evs vbere mere— charging points of these evs where there are— charging points of these evs where there are way too few is baa— where there are way too few is bag for— where there are way too few is bag for be— where there are way too few is bad for the environment and it's not bad for the environment and it's mar ae— bad for the environment and it's bar as r— bad for the environment and it's bar as b we— bad for the environment and it's not as if we all— bad for the environment and it's not as if we all have time aarmg— not as if we all have time aarmg abe— not as if we all have time during the day— not as if we all have time during the day to sit about varrmg— during the day to sit about varrmg rer— during the day to sit about waiting for these things to ebarge— waiting for these things to ebarge ama— waiting for these things to charge and as— waiting for these things to charge and as a single female, i aea-r— charge and as a single female, i aea-r vam— charge and as a single female, i aea-r vamr re— charge and as a single female, i don't want to be _ charge and as a single female, i don't want to be hanging around bare— don't want to be hanging around bare ar— don't want to be hanging around bare ar mgbr— don't want to be hanging around late at night waiting for a mage— late at night waiting for a ebarge .— late at night waiting for a ebarge . ama— late at night waiting for a charge . and they're super heavy charge. and they're super heavy vber— charge. and they're super heavy when r— charge. and they're super heavy when r eee— charge. and they're super heavy when i see some— charge. and they're super heavy when i see some of these ebeerrre— when i see some of these electric cars— when i see some of these electric cars on- when i see some of these electric cars on the roads, even be— electric cars on the roads, even be emabb— electric cars on the roads, even be emabb bree— electric cars on the roads, even the small ones, when i'm in my barbe— the small ones, when i'm in my bare bearab— the small ones, when i'm in my little petrol car,— the small ones, when i'm in my little petrol car, petrol, car , little petrol car, petrol, car, by abe— little petrol car, petrol, car, by are way. — little petrol car, petrol, car, by the way. patrick that'd be mrereermg— by the way. patrick that'd be mrereermg .— by the way. patrick that'd be interesting . which is on 180,000 interesting. which is on 180,000 mbbee— interesting. which is on 180,000 mrbee, by— interesting. which is on 180,000 mrbee, by abe— interesting. which is on 180,000 miles, by the way,— interesting. which is on 180,000 miles, by the way, my little crrreem — miles, by the way, my little crrreem ir— miles, by the way, my little citroen..| love- miles, by the way, my little citroen..| love it.- miles, by the way, my little citroen. i love it. i think citroen. c1. i love it. i think to citroen. c1. i love it. i think re mveem— citroen. c1. i love it. i think re myseifr om— citroen. c1. i love it. i think to myself, oh those cars to myself, oh god, those cars beav— to myself, oh god, those cars beak beavv— to myself, oh god, those cars beak beavv .— to myself, oh god, those cars beak beavv . r— to myself, oh god, those cars look heavy . i dread of look heavy. i dread to think of the look heavy. i dread to think of me damage.— look heavy. i dread to think of the damage. those, even the damage. one of those, even the damage. one of those, even are—mar— the damage. one of those, even rbe—rbar are- the damage. one of those, even the _that are very. the small ones that are very brev— the small ones that are very brew—aa- the small ones that are very ebev—aa em- the small ones that are very- slow_do on impact. slow speed would do on impact. i'm slow speed would do on impact. r-m vrrb— slow speed would do on impact.

i'm with rowan— slow speed would do on impact. i'm with rowan .— slow speed would do on impact. i'm with rowan . we simply i'm with rowan. we simply area-r— i'm with rowan. we simply aren't. there— i'm with rowan. we simply aren't. there yet with evs. and it's aren't. there yet with evs. and be mer— aren't. there yet with evs. and be mar reabbv— aren't. there yet with evs. and it's not really a— aren't. there yet with evs. and it's not really a realistic replacement— it's not really a realistic replacement .- it's not really a realistic replacement . he called them replacement. he called them a perverse— replacement. he called them a perverse choice— replacement. he called them a perverse choice of— replacement. he called them a perverse choice of hardware with vbreb— perverse choice of hardware with vbreb re— perverse choice of hardware with vbreb be read— perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the— perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobiles, figm— which to lead the automobiles, rrgbr agamer— which to lead the automobiles, fight against the— which to lead the automobiles, fight against the climate emera— fight against the climate crisis, and— fight against the climate crisis, and he— fight against the climate crisis, and he makes the point mar— crisis, and he makes the point rbar rr— crisis, and he makes the point bar b we— crisis, and he makes the point that if we just— crisis, and he makes the point that if we just keep our current rer— that if we just keep our current cars for longer,— that if we just keep our current cars for longer, we— that if we just keep our current cars for longer, we dramatically cut cars for longer, we dramatically ear coz— cars for longer, we dramatically ear coz .— cars for longer, we dramatically ear coz . bv— cars for longer, we dramatically ear coz . bv abb— cars for longer, we dramatically cut co2 . by all means, do away cut co2. by all means, do away vrrb— cut co2. by all means, do away vrrb veer— cut co2. by all means, do away with your diesel— cut co2. by all means, do away with your diesel car. but if var-ve— with your diesel car. but if vve ger— with your diesel car. but if v-ve gar am— with your diesel car. but if you've got an old petrol engine ama— you've got an old petrol engine and v-re— you've got an old petrol engine and you're genuine about the emvrrmmem— and you're genuine about the environment and— and you're genuine about the environment and keep it until it gives— environment and keep it until it grvee ab,— environment and keep it until it grvee ab, abe— environment and keep it until it gives up, the ghost . and well, gives up, the ghost. and well, before— gives up, the ghost. and well, before we— gives up, the ghost. and well, before we ger— gives up, the ghost. and well, before we get stuck into the aebare,— before we get stuck into the debate, here's— before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming— debate, here's what else is eammg ab— debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great brrrreb— coming up today for the great british-this— coming up today for the great british-this hour.- coming up today for the great british this hour. i'm british debate this hour. i'm asking— british debate this hour. i'm asking-a— british debate this hour. i'm aebbmg-a-eml asking, is there a war on the meme— asking, is there a war on the mraabe-rr-e— asking, is there a war on the. middle-it's-reported middle class? it's been reported mar—re- middle class? it's been reported mar—re earl that rishi sunak wants to cut barremab— that rishi sunak wants to cut barremab-er- that rishi sunak wants to cut national or income that rishi sunak wants to cut- national-or income tax national insurance or income tax by up— national insurance or income tax bv ab re— national insurance or income tax bv up be bom— national insurance or income tax by up to £0.02 before next vea-— by up to £0.02 before next year's general— by up to £0.02 before next year's general election . now year's general election. now a vveeembe— year's general election. now a vebeeme—rbe- year's general election. now a. welcome—the highest welcome break from the highest tax welcome break from the highest rav—veare.- welcome break from the highest rav—veare. srav- tax burden of 70 years. stay rerea— tax burden of 70 years. stay ramea ra— tax burden of 70 years. stay tuned to find— tax burden of 70 years. stay tuned to find out. but the babear— tuned to find out. but the babaar barrv— tuned to find out. but the labour party their own labour party have their own brame. — plans. we'll be discussing amae.— plans. we'll be discussing amae-ar— plans. we'll be discussing those.-at-it's. plans. we'll be discussing. those.-at-it's world those. then at 450 it's world ru— those. then at 450 it's world m be— those. then at 450 it's world view. i'll be heading around the gbebe— view. i'll be heading around the gbabelareeaee— view. i'll be heading around the globe-discuss all— view. i'll be heading around the globe discuss all the latest globe to discuss all the latest

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bad it is. it is good to see- you're-doctor. icuuld you're not the doctor. i could have— you're not the doctor. i could have been— you're not the doctor. i could have been doctor. you're not the doctor. i cuuld| have been-doctor. you're have been the doctor. you're right. crikey. danny, right. oh, crikey. danny, i've got with you , because got to start with you, because you have. you're a car salesperson. yeah are you in the car salesperson. yeah are you in the baemeeee— salespersun. yeah are you in the car business? besides— " “cr?" are you in the car business? besides being a r-eamaber— car business? besides being a teamabere — car business? besides being a journalist ? he's— car business? besides being a journalist ? he's a- car business? besides being a journalist ? rt rt3” car business? besides being a journalist ? t3” : car business? besides being a journalist ? rt3” : journalist? he's a car dealer. vea— journalist? he's a car dealer. vea mew,— journalist? he's a car dealer. vea mew, abe— journalist? he's a car dealer. you know, the biggest- journalist? rt3” : you know, the biggest surprise out you know, the biggest surprise ear er— you know, the biggest surprise ear er mar— you know, the biggest surprise out of that opening monologue is mar— out of that opening monologue is mar-ae— out of that opening monologue is that-as beautiful- out of that opening monologue is that-as beautiful as- out of that opening monologue is that as beautiful as you that someone as beautiful as you is that someone as beautiful as you re-rbar— that someone as beautiful as you re-rbar va— that someone as beautiful as you is-that was the- that someone as beautiful as you is-that was the biggestl is single. that was the biggest shock. and is single. that was the biggest shock . and you're good. is single. gg t and you're good. he's shuck. and you're good. he's gear.— shuck. and you're good. he's geea. vea-re— shuck. and you're good. he's geea. vea-re a— shuck. and you're good. he's good. you're a little- t and you're good. he's good. you're a little sister vrrb— good. you're a little sister mm a— good. you're a little sister with a small— good. you're a little sister with a small engine with a reeeeo— with a small engine with a 180,000 miles. irtr with a small engine with a 180,000 miles. thr with a small engine with a- 180,000 miles. do you know, i've never really thought about the c02 never really thought about the co2 emissions in the building of these equipments, of these new of these new electric vehicles. as a used car dealer , i won't as a used car dealer, i won't touch them as a used car. people, generally speaking, have lost faith in the electric car market and that's because of warranties and reliability issues and also about the charging which you which you touched on as well. it's interesting to see rowan atkinson come out and it's interesting that this was published in the guardian of all newspapers , which undermines newspapers, which undermines a lot of what they're trying to indoctrinate their their readers. although i don't know

if you're a reader of the guy, i think you're already indoctrinated. i think you already with already have that worldview with certain already have that worldview with ce seei already have that worldview with ce see the guardian giving to see the guardian giving pubuchy to see the guardian giving publicity to maybe generally speaking, petrol cars and diesel cars.i speaking, petrol cars and diesel cars. i know nigel is a petrol cars. i know nigel is a petrol car driver. he and i have spoken over over recent weeks about about petroleum engines . and i about petroleum engines. and i agree, if you can get a reliable, cheap little run around a petrol car, maybe not a diesel because you get a diesel because we hear about ulez and all of that, just stick with it . yeah, just stick with it. i suspect the reason why the guardian— suspect the reason why the guardian are— suspect the reason why the guardian are talking about this is guardian are talking about this be beae— guardian are talking about this is because half— guardian are talking about this is because half probably is because half of them probably arrve— is because half of them probably drive—abe- drive petrol cars and the last arme— drive petrol cars and the last rime-ger— drive petrol cars and the last time-got caught- drive petrol cars and the last time got caught out when time they got caught out when rbev— time they got caught out when rbev-rabbmg— time they got caught out when they talking about they were talking about reparations— they were talking about reparations and turned reparations and it turned out mar— reparations and it turned out rbar—evmerel reparations and it turned out. that—owners may that some of their owners may verb— that some of their owners may verb-babe— that some of their owners may verb-babe re- that some of their owners may well links to slavery. well have had links to slavery. so well have had links to slavery. se rbev-re— well have had links to slavery. se rbev-re-a— well have had links to slavery. so they're-a.more. so they're being a bit more eaareaer— so they're being a bit more carriers-_- so they're being a bit more| cautious. _, well, so they're being a bit more. cautious._, well, i cautious. nigel yeah, well, i mean,-looked- cautious. nigel yeah, well, i mean,-looked at- cautious. nigel yeah, well, i mean, looked at at, at mean, i've looked at at, at ebeerrre— mean, i've looked at at, at electric cars— mean, i've looked at at, at electric cars on— mean, i've looked at at, at electric cars on the basis that we wtt— electric cars on the basis that we vrbb abb— electric cars on the basis that we will all have— electric cars on the basis that we will all have to drive them evemraabbv— we will all have to drive them eventually after— we will all have to drive them eventually after 2030. �*vvr�*rt ”rt eventually after 2030. we're going— eventually after 2030. we're gemg. vva-re— eventually after 2030. we're going, we're going have going, we're going to have to start petrol cars start replacing any petrol cars left with, with electric ones. the problem , the problem i think the problem, the problem i think as you outline , first of all,

as you outline, first of all, there's no charging points around, so you can't charge the things up. and yet are things up. and yet there are plenty garages where you can plenty of garages where you can get petrol . the idea of get your petrol. the idea of trying to do it through your house sorts of house causes all sorts of problems. you have to get something built in. and the other that when i other thing was that when i looked an electric car and looked at an electric car and looked at an electric car and looked at an electric car and looked at petrol car, the looked at a petrol car, the electric car was an awful lot more so okay, more expensive. so okay, i appreciate that . over a period appreciate that. over a period of time, the electricity will be cheapen of time, the electricity will be cheaper. maybe. but .the cheaper. maybe, maybe. but .the point i think danny made point i think that danny made there i don't have any there is i just don't have any faith the moment. faith in that at the moment. nobody don't have nobody has i don't have any faith if rowan faith in them. and if rowan mvrmem— faith in them. and if rowan atkinson,-like - faith in them. and if rowani atkinson,-like he's atkinson, who's got like he's been— atkinson, who's got like he's been _electrical - been studying electrical emgmeermg— been studying electrical engineering and so he's very erbeve— engineering and so he's very clever man when— engineering and so he's very clever man when it comes to abre— clever man when it comes to be be— clever man when it comes to be be sabb— clever man when it comes to this, he said that— clever man when it comes to this, he said that he's owned he baa— this, he said that he's owned he bag a— this, he said that he's owned he bag a bvbrra— this, he said that he's owned he had a hybrid for— this, he said that he's owned he had a hybrid for many years. i rbmb— had a hybrid for many years. i rbmblvae— had a hybrid for many years. i rbmblvae re— had a hybrid for many years. i think was 18 years or think it was 18 years or eemerbmg. — think it was 18 years or something. and then he went for ebeerrre— electric cars, which he's owned for electric cars, which he's owned rer—rbmbl electric cars, which he's ownedi rer—rbmb be for about nine years. i think he eara. — for about nine years. i think he eara. ama— for about nine years. i think he eara. ame be— for about nine years. i think he said. and he said— for about nine years. i think he said. and he said that just said. and he said that it's just mer— said. and he said that it's just rer-me— said. and he said that it's just not the infrastructure not there. the infrastructure is not there. the infrastructure is rer-me— not there. the infrastructure is not-the carbon - not there. the infrastructure is not the carbon footprint. not there. the infrastructure is ncyou're the carbon footprint. not there. the infrastructure is ncyou're thinking bon footprint. not there. the infrastructure is ncyou're thinking that footprint. not there. the infrastructure is ncyou're thinking that you'relt. not there. the infrastructure is ncyou to thinking that you'relt. not there. the infrastructure is ncyou to thiidoingthat you'relt. not there. the infrastructure is ncyou to thiidoing aat you'relt. not there. the infrastructure is ncyou to thiidoing a goodl'relt. going to be doing a good thing, aeraabbv— going to be doing a good thing, actually-more,- going to be doing a good thing, actually more, carbon actually at 70% more, the carbon reerbrmr— actually at 70% more, the carbon reerbrmr re— actually at 70% more, the carbon footprint is bigger— actually at 70% more, the carbon footprint is bigger to create abe— footprint is bigger to create rbe rbmg— footprint is bigger to create the thing and— footprint is bigger to create the thing and the worry is, i eaebeer—

the thing and the worry is, i suspect what— the thing and the worry is, i suspect what will happen, you knew,— suspect what will happen, you mew, bbe — suspect what will happen, you know, like with _ suspect what will happen, you know, like with mobile know, like with your mobile preme— know, like with your mobile. meme—me phone, you know, you had this plug— phone, you know, you had this braglervbe— phone, you know, you had this plug style charger and then plug in style charger and then ten plug in style charger and then rem veare— plug in style charger and then ten years later— plug in style charger and then ten years later they go, oh, do you—goingl you know what? we're going to charge— you know what? we're going to. ebamge—ebargere change the plug for the charger? serrv— change the plug for the charger? serrvlevervbeav-e— change the plug for the charger? sorry everybody's to sorry so everybody's going to now have to get this new. so i vber— now have to get this new. so i rear-em— now have to get this new. so i r-aer-em rbere. — now have to get this new. so i just-on there. it's- now have to get this new. so i just on there. it's quite just spat on there. it's quite a big— just spat on there. it's quite a big ee— just spat on there. it's quite a big ae— just spat on there. it's quite a big one as well— just spat on there. it's quite a big one as well .— just spat on there. it's quite a big one as well . i— just spat on there. it's quite a big one as well. i saw their eves— big one as well. i saw their eyes-straight— big one as well. i saw their eyes straight had eyes go straight to it. i had to own-immediately.- eyes go straight to it. i had to. own-immediately..was own up to it immediately. it was emv— own up to it immediately. it was embv-vea— own up to it immediately. it was embv-vea eeaba— own up to it immediately. it was only you could have even only right you could have even seen it through your tv. i'd be bre— seen it through your tv. i'd be bee—serv- like, so embarrassed. sorry aberr— like, so embarrassed. sorry abear-ar— like, so embarrassed. sorry about-at home,- like, so embarrassed. sorry about at home, off the about that. at home, off the bem— about that. at home, off the bees er— about that. at home, off the bees er abe— about that. at home, off the lens of the camera. but the berm— lens of the camera. but the berm g,— lens of the camera. but the germ be, rbev— lens of the camera. but the point is, they might then decide gemg— point is, they might then decide gemg re— point is, they might then decide we're going to change the ebargmg— we're going to change the charging point— we're going to change the charging point now. so then veve— charging point now. so then vea-vea—- charging point now. so then vea-ve—a-earl charging point now. so then. vea-veaear—- re you've got to get a new car to come-a charging- you've got to get a new car to come a charging point. come up with a charging point. mem— come up with a charging point. then-duration— come up with a charging point. then-duration-the- then the duration and the bemgevrrv— then the duration and the longevity-car- then the duration and the longevity car might longevity of that car might beee— longevity of that car might become the _ longevity of that car might become the same with phone. become the same with the phone. wrrbm —rbe- become the same with the phone. within _the phone. within 2 or 3 years. the phone is within 2 or 3 years. the phone be mer— within 2 or 3 years. the phone be rer-verm— within 2 or 3 years. the phone is not-worth .you - is not really worth it. you mbgbr— is not really worth it. you mbgbrlvebb— is not really worth it. you might well buy a whole new might as well buy a whole new ama— might as well buy a whole new ame bre— might as well buy a whole new one. and it's one— might as well buy a whole new one. and it's one unit now bmereaa— one. and it's one unit now instead-going- one. and it's one unit now- instead-goinglchange one. and it's one unit now- insterwe're-goinglchange one. and it's one unit now insterwe're goingjoing change one. and it's one unit now insterwe're going to lg change one. and it's one unit now insterwe're going to change ange that, we're going to change abbe— that, we're going to change abbe-rbv— that, we're going to change abbe-rbv mv- that, we're going to change this. fix my little this. i can fix my little c one on this. i can fix my little c one em-evm — this. i can fix my little c one em-evm lear— this. i can fix my little c one on own. can change. i can on my own. i can change. i can ebamge— on my own. i can change. i can marge—ear- on my own. i can change. i can ebamge—eamlrbbe.l change the coils. i can do this. i change the coils. i can do this. lab— change the coils. i can do this. b-ae-b-m— change the coils. i can do this. b-ae-b-m grear- change the coils. i can do this. i-do-i'm great with. i can do that. i'm great with it. i can do that. i'm great with br.-ae— i can do that. i'm great with br.-ae-ear- i can do that. i'm great with it.-do-car on it. come and do my car then on me— it. come and do my car then on rbe-eam-r— it. come and do my car then on rbe-eam-r ae- it. come and do my car then on the-can't do any- it. come and do my car then on the-can't do any of. the base. i can't do any of those things. nigel because you eemebaer— thuse things. nigel because you eemebaer am— thuse things. nigel because you consider an electric— gt nigel because you consider an electric vehicle, gt nigel because you consit er an electric vehicle, gt nigel because you consit to an electric vehicle, gt nigel because you consit to do electric vehicle, gt nigel because you consit to do with ric vehicle, was it to do with the environment- was it to do with the environment or it was it to do with the environment or-it to environment or was it purely to do environment or was it purely to ere—be— environment or was it purely to ere—be br- environment or was it purely to ere—be brvae i environment or was it purely to do_no it was. it| environment or was it purely to- do_no it was. it was do with money? no it was. it was to do with money? no it was. it was be de— do with money? no it was. it was be are vbrb— do with money? no it was. it was to do with-fact— do with money? no it was. it was to do with-fact that-

to do with the fact that eventually going to eventually we we're going to have well you have to have them. well you don't it's don't have to have them. it's only car after 2030. only a new car after 2030. mar-e— only a new car after 2030. we a— only a new car after 2030. we a ber— only a new car after 2030. that's a lot calls. that's a lot of calls. that's rbgbr. — that's a lot of calls. that's right. but quite right. but but, but but quite clearly, after that day, we're going gradually gravitate going to gradually all gravitate to cars. i mean, to electric cars. i mean, eventually, you know, the petrol cars will disappear. won't cars will disappear. there won't be new ones and that will be be any new ones and that will be the so partly the end of that. so i was partly thinking about preparing for that part and just really put off by the expense because it was something like 20,000 more than the same thing that i've been looking at for a petrol car . and the fact that we've got no charging points around the area , i don't know where i would have actually refilled it. yeah, that's interesting yeah, that's really interesting beee— yeah, that's really interesting because iwonder_ yeah, that's really interesting because wonder motivates because i wonder what motivates a-beebbe— because i wonder what motivates a-beebbe-rbeee- a lot of people to buy these cars , whether— a lot of people to buy these cars , whether it's financial or cars, whether it's financial or vberber— cars, whether it's financial ori vberber—abb cars, whether it's financial ori vbevea—abb cars, whether it's financial ori whe you can—all cars, whether it's financial or whe you can drive all cars, whether it's financial or whe you can drive around all cars, whether it's financial or whe you can drive around and you and you can drive around and you can and you can drive around and you vea— and you can drive around and you vea feeb— and you can drive around and you can you can feel really virtuous ama— can you can feel really virtuous aaa-rbbmb— can you can feel really virtuous and _think that- can you can feel really virtuous and think that you're and you can think that you're aebmg— and you can think that you're aebmg-bar— and you can think that you're aebmg-bar-mer- and you can think that you're doing but not sure doing great. but i'm not sure mar— doing great. but i'm not sure that—environmentl that it's for the environment vbrb— that it's for the environment ebb-er— that it's for the environment vbrb-er-amal that it's for the environmenti with _of-and the with a lot of people. and the reason-say-is- with a lot of people. and the reason-say-is thatj reason that i say that is that in reason that i say that is that be 2025,— reason that i say that is that m 2025, sadiq_ reason that i say that is that in 2025, sadiq khan is going to say,— in 2025, sadiq khan is going to say br— in 2025, sadiq khan is going to say br vea— in 2025, sadiq khan is going to say br vea vam— in 2025, sadiq khan is going to say, if you want drive into say, if you want to drive into eemrrab— say, if you want to drive intoj central—electric central london in an electric vebbebe— central london in an electric vehicle, you're— central london in an electric vehicle, you're going to have to pay— vehicle, you're going to have to rev—marge.- pay congestion charge. and if you— pay congestion charge. and if vea—vberberl you think about it, whether

vea-re—amvl you think about it, whether vea-re—amv er you think about it, whether you'pollutants,-any or you think about it, whether you'pollutants, you'relny or you think about it, whether you'pollutants, you're still or any pollutants, you're still aaabmg— any pollutants, you're still aaabmg re— any pollutants, you're still adding to the— any pollutants, you're still adding to the congestion . so why adding to the congestion. so why the adding to the congestion. so why rbe-ebeaba— adding to the congestion. so why rbe-ebeaba a— adding to the congestion. so why the-should a tesla- adding to the congestion. so why the should a tesla driver the hell should a tesla driver aveba— the hell should a tesla driver aveba bavmg— the hell should a tesla driver avoid paying £15— the hell should a tesla driver avoid paying £15 to drive in bemaem— avoid paying £15 to drive in london? because it's still a big bamb— london? because it's still a big bamb er— london? because it's still a big bamb er merab. — london? because it's still a big lump of metal. oh— london? because it's still a big lump of metal. oh they're so big,— lump of metal. oh they're so bbg, aea-r— lump of metal. oh they're so big, aren't they? - lump of metal. oh they're so big, aren't they? rt.r3”tr big, aren't they? thuse cars, vea— big, aren't they? those cars, you know, i look at them and i think, look think, crikey, that does look heavy. they are heavy, heavy. they look they are heavy, they tyres quickly they destroy the tyres quickly as well. a lot of you're as well. so a lot of you're going have to replace the going to have to replace the tyres faster. don't tyres faster. i don't think. i think you're nigel. think you're wrong, nigel. i don't that in 2030 or 2035 don't think that in 2030 or 2035 we'll all be doing this at all. i because think you're wrong . i because i think you're wrong. and the i think you're and the reason i think you're wrong not wrong is because they are not doing to do doing what they're meant to do at the end of the day, the co2 to bigger. the to produce them is bigger. the rare minerals and resources that are being used, the lithium. we haven't lithium to haven't got enough lithium to keep making them. each of those has about i think it's about 4000 cylinders inside , 4000 of these cylinders inside, a tubes of a little tubes inside all of that you for car. you've that you for each car. you've got that and then if you got to do that and then if you look at the reality of actually mining for this thing, it's awful that, you know, i think they've got children mining this andifs they've got children mining this and it's a humanitarian disaster. if you're an opponent

of disaster. if you're an opponent er rbe— disaster. if you're an opponent er rbe ze— disaster. if you're an opponent er me be, be— disaster. if you're an opponent of the 20, 30 cut— disaster. if you're an opponent of the 20, 30 cut off- r: if you're an opponent of the 20, 30 cut off point like i of the 20, 30 cut off point like b am— of the 20, 30 cut off point like b ama— of the 20, 30 cut off point like b ame ra— of the 20, 30 cut off point like i am. and i'd say— of the 20, 30 cut off point like i am. and i'd say like the mar-emv— i am. and i'd say like the mar-erbrv er— i am. and i'd say like the majority of people are , i think majority of people are, i think vber— majority of people are, i think when-johnson- majority of people are, i think when johnson announced when boris johnson announced rbbe— when boris johnson announced rbbe br— when boris johnson announced rbbe br em— when boris johnson announced this, it was almost like a brevbr— this, it was almost like a brexit dividend . and guess what? brexit dividend. and guess what? were— brexit dividend. and guess what? were-me— brexit dividend. and guess what? we're _the . because i we're free from the eu because rbebr— we're free from the eu because rbebr-zoeb. — we're free from the eu because their-2035. yeah- we're free from the eu because their 2035. yeah that's their data is 2035. yeah that's rbgbr. — their data is 2035. yeah that's rbgbr. bbev-ve— their data is 2035. yeah that's right. “r; tg: ” right. they've changed their date. no that date's date. yeah. no that date's always 20, 35. boris always been 20, 35. boris johnson has changed its johnson germany has changed its date hasn't it. well generally speaking eu it's a 2035 speaking in the eu it's a 2035 cut off. in fact i think it's eu vbae— cut off. in fact i think it's eu wide because— cut off. in fact i think it's eu wide because that's- rt... in fact i think it's eu wide because that's the point of the wide because that's the point of me bu.— wide because that's the point of me bu. abb— wide because that's the point of the eu. all for— wide because that's the point of the eu. all for. and- wide because that's the point of the eu. all for and for the eu. all for one and one for abb— the eu. all for one and one for all.-surprised- the eu. all for one and one for all.-surprised if- all. so i'd be surprised if mere— all. so i'd be surprised if. there-autonomous there were any autonomous aeebebeme— there were any autonomous decisions like— there were any autonomous decisions like like the uk. so berbe— decisions like like the uk. so boris johnson— decisions like like the uk. so boris johnson in— decisions like like the uk. so boris johnson in 2021, maybe he eaba— boris johnson in 2021, maybe he eaba vee— boris johnson in 2021, maybe he eaba gebmg— boris johnson in 2021, maybe he said we're going to— boris johnson in 2021, maybe he said we're going to bring it remarr— said we're going to bring it. forward—show said we're going to bring it- forward_show off. forward from the eu to show off. bbe— forward from the eu to show off. bbbe vbv— forward from the eu to show off. bbbe vbv vere— forward from the eu to show off. like why you're supposed- forward from the eu to show off. like why you're supposed to- forward from the eu to show off. like why you're supposed to get rid the ideas, not the rid of the bad ideas, not the good , precisely the good ones, precisely the infrastructure isn't there. generally speaking, the has infrastructure isn't there. - generally speaking, the has got abo— generally speaking, the has got ave grana— generally speaking, the has got a 70 grand tesla,— generally speaking, the has got a 70 grand tesla, he tried to get— a 70 grand tesla, he tried to get up— a 70 grand tesla, he tried to ger be re— a 70 grand tesla, he tried to get up to edinburgh and he said he get up to edinburgh and he said be vae— get up to edinburgh and he said he was shaking— get up to edinburgh and he said he was shaking with nerves at bebm— he was shaking with nerves at one point because he couldn't have— one point because he couldn't have me— one point because he couldn't have me abr— one point because he couldn't have the air conditioning on beee— have the air conditioning on because there— have the air conditioning on because there was a crash on the merervav— because there was a crash on the merervav ama— because there was a crash on the motorway and its— because there was a crash on the motorway and its range was eavbmg— motorway and its range was eavbmg mar— motorway and its range was saying that he's— motorway and its range was saying that he's got about 70. babmbargb—

saying that he's got about 70. babmbargb-bo— saying that he's got about 70. edinburgh 50 miles away. he edinburgh was 50 miles away. he was edinburgh was 50 miles away. he verrbea— edinburgh was 50 miles away. he was worried about— edinburgh was 50 miles away. he was worried about indicating bbe— was worried about indicating even the echo— was worried about indicating even the echo when the radio verb— even the echo when the radio vemr err— even the echo when the radio vemr err br— even the echo when the radio went off it was— even the echo when the radio went off it was silence . 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i will every not getting one of those as- well. i will-every sinew well. i will do with every sinew of-body-_ well. i will do with every sinew er-beav. b-bb— well. i will do with every sinew er-beav. m be— well. i will do with every sinew of-body. i'll be-i- well. i will do with every sinew of body. i'll be i will of my body. i'll be not i will mer— of my body. i'll be not i will not—electric. of my body. i'll be not i willi not—electric car. not be buying an electric car. so not be buying an electric car. se—vbrb- not be buying an electric car. ee—vbrb me.- not be buying an electric car. so_with me. i'mi so there you're with me. i'm nama— so there you're with me. i'm bama abba. — so there you're with me. i'm nana akua.-is- so there you're with me. i'm nana akua.-is a- so there you're with me. i'm nana akua. is a gb news on nana akua. this is a gb news on tv nana akua. this is a gb news on bvlembbme— nana akua. this is a gb news on tvionline-digital- nana akua. this is a gb news on tv online digital radio tv, online and on digital radio . cembmg— tv, online and on digital radio . cemmg ab,— tv, online and on digital radio .cemmg ab, rm— tv, online and on digital radio . coming up, i'm asking, is mere— . coming up, i'm asking, is mere a— . coming up, i'm asking, is mere a war— . coming up, i'm asking, is there a war on— . coming up, i'm asking, is there a war on the middle class mar-e— there a war on the middle class rbar-e beem— there a war on the middle class that's been reported that rishi smar— that's been reported that rishi samab vame— that's been reported that rishi sunak wants-cut— that's been reported that rishi sunak wants cut national sunak wants to cut national insurance-tax- sunak wants to cut national insurance-tax byi sunak wants to cut national. insurance _tax by up sunak wants to cut national- insurance _tax by up to insurance or income tax by up to bee-oz— insurance or income tax by up to been berere— insurance or income tax by up to £0.02 before the— insurance or income tax by up to £0.02 before the next general ebeerbem — £0.02 before the next general ebeerbem b— £0.02 before the next general election. i welcome break, some mav— election. i welcome break, some mav-rer— election. i welcome break, some mav-rer rbe— election. i welcome break, some may for the highest tax tax may say for the highest tax tax burdene— may say for the highest tax tax burdens. however,— may say for the highest tax tax burdens. however, could be burdens. however, plans could be far avav— burdens. however, plans could be far avav ae— burdens. however, plans could be rar avav ae merr— burdens. however, plans could be far away as next april . also, far away as next april. also, sbr— far away as next april. also, sbr beb— far away as next april. also, sir keir starmer— far away as next april. also, sir keir starmer has been coming up vbrb— sir keir starmer has been coming up vbrb bbame— sir keir starmer has been coming up with plans appear be up with plans which appear to be arraebbmg— up with plans which appear to be attacking—class- up with plans which appear to be attacking—class as- attacking the middle class as web.— attacking the middle class as vebblbeebe— attacking the middle class as well. . looks to _ attacking the middle class as well..looks to me- attacking the middle class as well. looks to me like the well. it looks to me like the bra— well. it looks to me like the kind-behaviour- well. it looks to me like the kind behaviour and the kind well. it looks to me like the kilmoneythaviour and the kind well. it looks to me like the kilmoney thatour and the kind well. it looks to me like the kilmoney that these d the kind well. it looks to me like the kilmoney that these politicians of money that these politicians are of money that these politicians rrvbmg— of money that these politicians rrvmg re— of money that these politicians are trying to extrapolate is trem— are trying to extrapolate is rrem—ebaee- from the middle 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of the poorer ones. so what do vea rbbmbe— of the poorer ones. so what do you think? what's— of the poorer ones. so what do you think? what's your thoughts? bmabb— you think? what's your thoughts? bmabb me— you think? what's your thoughts? email me .views_ you think? what's your thoughts? email me views news, you think? what's your thoughts? emror me views news, you think? what's your thoughts? emror tweet views news, you think? what's your thoughts? emror tweet vieat; news, you think? what's your thoughts? emror tweet vi

britain's us news. channel britain's us news . channel britain's us news. channel so good— britain's us news. channel so good afternoon— britain's us news. channel so good afternuun .— britain's us news. channel so good afternuun . this- britain's us news. channel so good afternuun . this is- britain's us news. channel so good afternoon . this is gb news. good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua if you just joined us. welcome. it's coming up to 23 minutes after 4:00. and it's time now for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, there a war on the

asking, is there a war on the middle now , it has been middle class now, it has been reported that rishi sunak wants to insurance or to cut national insurance or income by up to £0.02 before income tax by up to £0.02 before next general election, next year's general election, but that's before next year's general election. it's welcome general election. it's a welcome break for the highest tax burden in 70 years. however, such plans could be as far away as next april . so that's the while. it's april. so that's the while. it's a promise, but will he really keep promise? the labour keep the promise? the labour party extending anti party could be extending anti discrimination law to incorporate the inequality of social class, giving public bodies the power to divert funds and services such as gps and libraries from middle class neighbourhoods to poorer ones. so here we go again, another party attacking the middle class, jacob rees—mogg commented on the alleged plans with once again the keir starmer's mask slips off a man who stood on a hard left corbynite agenda to win the labour leadership vows would deliver a hard left attack on already hard pressed rural and suburban areas. now, is this what you think ? this is a what you think? this is a declaration of war in my mind, in my view on middle britain . in my view on middle britain. but what think? it's the

but what do you think? it's the same mantra to same old socialist mantra to make equal make everybody's equality equal . be poor by taking a scythe to the success rather than seeking to make everyone more prosperous. so keir starmer's message to middle england is this read my lips higher taxes, which will be accompanied by worse public services . so what worse public services. so what do you think for the great british debate, sir? i'm asking, is a on middle is there a war on the middle classes? think? i'm classes? what do you think? i'm joined habib. he's joined now by ben habib. he's a former brexit mep and anna former brexit party mep and anna mcgovern, a political commentator for right. and also denis macshane, former minister for europe, denis , nice to see for europe, denis, nice to see you. right so i'm going to start with you , denis macshane, a war with you, denis macshane, a war on the middle class. with you, denis macshane, a war on the middle class . oh, it with you, denis macshane, a war on the middle class. oh, it was so , so funny. i think probably su, so funny. i think probably emv— su, so funny. i think probably embv bem— su, so funny. i think probably only ben, maybe— su, so funny. i think probably only ben, maybe ali- my i think probably only ben, maybe ali and you and of only ben, maybe ali and you and er rbe — only ben, maybe ali and you and of course, the great— only ben, maybe ali and you and of course, the great jacob beeee—rregg— of course, the great jacob rees—mogg believes there's a ebmgbe— rees—mogg believes there's a single socialist— rees—mogg believes there's a single socialist piece of dna in beb— single socialist piece of dna in keir starmer's— single socialist piece of dna in keir starmer's makeup. for heaven's sake— keir starmer's makeup. for heaven's sake .— keir starmer's makeup. for heaven's sake . 99 years ago, heaven's sake. 99 years ago, beze— heaven's sake. 99 years ago, me bem— heaven's sake. 99 years ago, 1924. ben smith— heaven's sake. 99 years ago,

1924. ben smith hinckley knows this 1924. ben smith hinckley knows rbbe ererv. — 1924. ben smith hinckley knows rbbe ererv. bbe— 1924. ben smith hinckley knows this story. the daily mail babbbebea— this story. the daily mail published a— this story. the daily mail published a thing called the zbmevbev— published a thing called the zinoviev letter. _ published a thing called the zinoviev letter. zinoviev was a big— zinoviev letter. zinoviev was a bbg beeee— zinoviev letter. zinoviev was a big cheese friend— zinoviev letter. zinoviev was a big cheese friend of lenin and srabbm— big cheese friend of lenin and srabbm ama— big cheese friend of lenin and stalin and he— big cheese friend of lenin and stalin and he said the communists- stalin and he said the communists were going to arrive in communists were going to arrive bm bmgbama— communists were going to arrive m bmgbama ama— communists were going to arrive in england and nobody should vere— in england and nobody should vote-because- in england and nobody should vote-because the- vote labour because the communists— vote labour because the communists persuaded communists had persuaded the babear— communists had persuaded the babear barrv— communists had persuaded the babear barrv re— communists had persuaded the labour party to soviet labour party to impose soviet communism on— labour party to impose soviet communism on britain biggest rergerv— communism on britain biggest rergerv m— communism on britain biggest forgery in british— communism on britain biggest forgery in british journalism abam-r— forgery in british journalism didn't actually— forgery in british journalism didn't actually work, so tories beer— didn't actually work, so tories beer mar— didn't actually work, so tories lost that election.— didn't actually work, so tories lost that election. but then babear— lost that election. but then labour came— lost that election. but then labour came into government and a member.— labour came into government and were a disaster. but— labour came into government and were a disaster. but that's amerber— were a disaster. but that's another story— were a disaster. but that's another story .— were a disaster. but that's another story . and this the only another story. and this the only var-mbaabe— another story. and this the only war-middle class- another story. and this the only war middle class is the war in the middle class is the eeer— war in the middle class is the eeer mevv— war in the middle class is the eeer er— war in the middle class is the cost now of having a mortgage , cost now of having a mortgage, the cost now of having a mortgage, rbe eeer— cost now of having a mortgage, rbe eeer er— cost now of having a mortgage, the cost of paying— cost now of having a mortgage, the cost of paying for your supermarket— the cost of paying for your supermarket bill, the cost of rambmg— supermarket bill, the cost of rambmg am— supermarket bill, the cost of running an electric vehicle. bbeee— running an electric vehicle. bbeee ar— running an electric vehicle. these are all— running an electric vehicle. these are all rishi- running an electric vehicle. these are all rishi sunak ideas . sunakis these are all rishi sunak ideas . sunak is the biggest enemy of the . sunak is the biggest enemy of me mbaabe— . sunak is the biggest enemy of the middle class— sunak is the biggest enemy of the middle class that britain's ever seen because he's not part of ever seen because he's not part er rbe— ever seen because he's not part er rbe mbaabe— ever seen because he's not part of the middle class, he's worth rbam— of the middle class, he's worth more than king— of the middle class, he's worth more than king charles. he has the more than king charles. he has me rabmreer— more than king charles. he has the faintest idea— more than king charles. he has the faintest idea how any of the beebbe— the faintest idea how any of the beebbe bberemmg— the faintest idea how any of the people listening to this wonderful— people listening to this wonderful programme live . and he wonderful programme live. and he is wonderful programme live. and he be beer— wonderful programme live. and he be beer craeee— wonderful programme live. and he is just crusoe ifying_ wonderful programme live. and he is just crusoe ifying us with bbgber— is just crusoe ifying us with bbgber brbeee— is just crusoe ifying us with higher prices ,_ is just crusoe ifying us with higher prices , higher costs, higher prices, higher costs, bbgber— higher prices, higher costs, higher everything . no, no. �*"

higher everything. no, no. if you— higher everything. no, no. if vea ear— higher everything. no, no. if vea ama— higher everything. no, no. if vea rma. — higher everything. no, no. if you can find. i'm- higher everything. no, no. �*" rt3 �*" r: i'm waiting. one yuu can find. i'm waiting. one day— you can find. i'm waiting. one aav sbr— yuu can find. i'm waiting. one aav sbr beb— yuu can find. i'm waiting. one day sir keir will— rt3 �*" r: i'm waiting. one day sir keir will emerge with a eeebabber— day sir keir will emerge with a socialist idea.— day sir keir will emerge with a socialist idea. but— day sir keir will emerge with a socialist idea. but i'm not bebabmg— socialist idea. but i'm not bebamg mv— socialist idea. but i'm not holding my breath . holding my breath. but he's not poor— holding my breath. but he's not poor himself, is he , really? poor himself, is he, really? he's also a sir and a mcguffin. no, absolutely. and i don't nu, absolutely. and i don't rbbmb— nu, absolutely. and i don't rbbmb vea— nu, absolutely. and i don't think you can— nu, absolutely. and i don't think you can trust- nu, absolutely. and i don't think you can trust a- \rtr .rtgr and i don't think you can trust a single rbbmg— think you can trust a single rbbmg mar— think you can trust a single thing that he— think you can trust a single thing that he says. as we've seen many times- thing that he says. as we've seen many times time and time agabm— seen many times time and time agg. .— seen many times time and time agabm , be— seen many times time and time agabm , be vbbb— seen many times time and time again , he will just— seen many times time and time again , he will just say again, he will just say something,— again, he will just say something, throw it out there bare— something, throw it out there bmre rbe — something, throw it out there into the media— something, throw it out there into the media sphere and then you into the media sphere and then vea ram— into the media sphere and then vea ram em— into the media sphere and then vea ram em br— into the media sphere and then you turn on it time and time agabm — you turn on it time and time agabm bee— you turn on it time and time again. he's slippery, slimy. and i again. he's slippery, slimy. and b-rbbmb— again. he's slippery, slimy. and i-think anyone— again. he's slippery, slimy. and i-think anyone can- again. he's slippery, slimy. and i think anyone can trust i don't think anyone can trust mm.— i don't think anyone can trust mm. b— i don't think anyone can trust mm. b rbbmb— i don't think anyone can trust him. i think the— i don't think anyone can trust him. i think the labour party eembberebv— him. i think the labour party completely-hard- him. i think the labour party completely hard working completely hate hard working brbrbeb— completely hate hard working brbrbeb beebbe— completely hate hard working british people who've actually verteb— british people who've actually verbea bare— british people who've actually worked hard to— british people who've actually worked hard to get to a good beebrbem— worked hard to get to a good position that— worked hard to get to a good position that they're in. and mem— position that they're in. and men-er— position that they're in. and then-of actually- then instead of actually revarabmg— then instead of actually rewarding their then instead of actually- rewarding-their hard rewarding them for their hard wk,— rewarding them for their hard. verb—bemabbee rewarding them for their hard. work, time—penalise rewarding them for their hard work, time and penalise rewarding them for their hard work, time and time penalise rewarding them for their hard work, time and time again1alise rewarding them for their hard work, time and time again .ilise rewarding them for their hard work, time and time again . soa them time and time again. so they— them time and time again. so they-nowhere- them time and time again. so they nowhere near they should be nowhere near government— they should be nowhere near government .— they should be nowhere near government . they should be government. they should be nwnee— government. they should be nowhere—ten. | government. they should be- nowhere _ten. ben nowhere near number ten. ben nann— nowhere near number ten. ben nnnn wen.— nowhere near number ten. ben habib well, completely endorse habib well, i completely endorse what anna said and some what anna said and to some extent denis is going be extent denis is going to be surprised. some of surprised. i endorse some of nnee— surprised. i endorse some of nne-.— surprised. i endorse some of nnee-. nne— surprised. i endorse some of nnee-. net |- surprised. i endorse some of what-. but i mean,. surprised. i endorse some of. what-. but i mean, rishi what he said. but i mean, rishi snnen— what he said. but i mean, rishi snnen nee— what he said. but i mean, rishi sunak has been— what he said. but i mean, rishi sunak has been a— what he said. but i mean, rishi sunak has been a hopeless conservative— sunak has been a hopeless conservative party prime minister.— conservative party prime minister. back- conservative party prime minister. back in november , we minister. back in november, we tem— minister. back in november, we were told that—

minister. back in november, we were told that taxes couldn't be cut neeenee — were told that taxes couldn't be cut because we— were told that taxes couldn't be cut because we had to first get inflation— cut because we had to first get inflation under— cut because we had to first get inflation under control . and inflation under control. and eeeneuy— inflation under control. and eeeneuy ee— inflation under control. and actually so we've kept taxes up and— actually so we've kept taxes up and inflation— actually so we've kept taxes up and inflation still— actually so we've kept taxes up and inflation still hasn't come down— and inflation still hasn't come down. and— and inflation still hasn't come down. and the— and inflation still hasn't come down. and the reason it hasn't down is— down. and the reason it hasn't come down is because there's no it come down is because there's no n eeeen-e— come down is because there's no n eeeen-n pav— come down is because there's no n eeeen-n pay ne— come down is because there's no it doesn't pay to work in the unnee— it doesn't pay to work in the united-taxes- it doesn't pay to work in the united _taxes are i it doesn't pay to work in the. united _taxes are too united kingdom. taxes are too high-— united kingdom. taxes are too nign. nn— united kingdom. taxes are too high. i'm delighted that as an election—he's- high. i'm delighted that as an election he's going election throwaway, he's going tonne-oz— election throwaway, he's going toieo-02ithe- election throwaway, he's going to £0.02 the basic rate to cut £0.02 off the basic rate of..— to cut £0.02 off the basic rate oflihe_ to cut £0.02 off the basic rate of-,-he-have. to cut £0.02 off the basic rate. of-,-he-have done of tax, but he should have done it of tax, but he should have done n-ane— of tax, but he should have done n-ane ne— of tax, but he should have done it-and he should- of tax, but he should have done it and he should have taken it now. and he should have taken tax it now. and he should have taken ten-nemes— it now. and he should have taken tax- across the _ it now. and he should have taken tax across the board. that tax down across the board. that neute— tax down across the board. that would nove— tax down across the board. that would have made— tax down across the board. that would have made pay to work. would have made it pay to work. it would have made it pay to work. n-nove— would have made it pay to work. n-nove goe— would have made it pay to work. it-have got more- would have made it pay to work. it have got more people it would have got more people into— into work. it would reduce the burden— into work. it would reduce the burden on— into work. it would reduce the burden on employers. the cost of none— burden on employers. the cost of living nonto— burden on employers. the cost of living would have— burden on employers. the cost of living would have reduced and the-machine- living would have reduced and the machine would have the economic machine would have non— the economic machine would have non-wnoe— the economic machine would have non-wnoe ne— the economic machine would have kick-what we need- the economic machine would have kick what we need is a kick started. what we need is a genuine— kick started. what we need is a genuine centre— kick started. what we need is a genuine centre right government that understands— genuine centre right government that understands that people's nneny— that understands that people's nneny soone— that understands that people's liberty starts with their back pocket— liberty starts with their back pocket and — liberty starts with their back pocket and make it worthwhile for people— pocket and make it worthwhile for people no— pocket and make it worthwhile for people to work, make it nonnnnne— for people to work, make it worthwhile for— for people to work, make it worthwhile for them to set up nusnesses— worthwhile for them to set up businesses and— worthwhile for them to set up businesses and they will do it one— businesses and they will do it one one— businesses and they will do it and the economy— businesses and they will do it and the economy will grow . and and the economy will grow. and believe— and the economy will grow. and believe is— and the economy will grow. and believe is on— and the economy will grow. and believe it or not,— and the economy will grow. and believe it or not, the exchequer unu— believe it or not, the exchequer um oeu— believe it or not, the exchequer will get richer. _ believe it or not, the exchequer will get richer. can't get will get richer. you can't get non— will get richer. you can't get non ny— will get richer. you can't get non by taxing— will get richer. you can't get rich by taxing us— will get richer. you can't get rich by taxing us to infini mossy. — rich by taxing us to infini mossy. u— rich by taxing us to infini motty. it doesn't work. �*" motty. it doesn't work. but if we unwe— motty. it doesn't work. but if we take some— motty. it doesn't work. but if we take some of— motty. it doesn't work. but if we take some of the i'm going to take a labour party policy where

they're about removing take a labour party policy where theicharitable about removing take a labour party policy where theicharitable status removing take a labour party policy where theicharitable status re|private the charitable status of private schools so that they can use that money, apparently to and also taking non—dom status, also taking the non—dom status, they think that there's going to be then help be enough money to then help with the education system. that be enough money to then help widefinitelyrcation system. that be enough money to then help wi definitely aation system. that be enough money to then help wi definitely a tax] system. that be enough money to then help wi definitely a tax on stem. that be enough money to then help wi definitely a tax on then. that is definitely a tax on the middle class because people who send private middle class because people who send aren't private middle class because people who send aren't reallyivate middle class because people who send aren't really the; middle class because people who send aren't really the upper schools aren't really the upper classes. this because my classes. i know this because my parents sent me to a private school. dennis is an school. dennis that is an example surely of something where middle where they are attacking middle england again. well that's a very, very old story . sorry. it very, very old story. sorry. it costs about— very, very old story. sorry. it costs about £40,000- very, very old story. sorry. it costs about £40,000 a- oig oig oioo: fooiog sorry. it costs about £40,000 a term to send— costs about £40,000 a term to send woun— costs about £40,000 a term to send your boy— costs about £40,000 a term to send your boy to— costs about £40,000 a term to send your boy to eton and i ooououw— send your boy to eton and i actually have— send your boy to eton and i actually have never understood no owner— actually have never understood no other country, _ actually have never understood no other country, does it.7 i'm not— no other country, does it.7 i'm not against— no other country, does it.7 i'm not against private schools. i newe— not against private schools. i nowe on— not against private schools. i have an american having france newe— have an american having france nowe unen— have an american having france have them germany. but have them in germany. but nowene— have them in germany. but nowhere else _ have them in germany. but nowhere else are there great tax weeks— nowhere else are there great tax breaks fon— nowhere else are there great tax breaks for private _ nowhere else are there great tax breaks for private schools. so i wowe— breaks for private schools. so i would actually— breaks for private schools. so i would actually say a real problem— would actually say a real problem is— would actually say a real problem is actually, i agree woun— problem is actually, i agree won one— problem is actually, i agree with the slogan— problem is actually, i agree with the slogan levelling up . i with the slogan levelling up. i mean, our country's been seweueo— mean, our country's been levelled down,- mean, our country's been levelled down, especially when the levelled down, especially when one ub— levelled down, especially when one no den— levelled down, especially when the lib dem blob— levelled down, especially when the lib dem blob was in government. - the lib dem blob was in government. /oio the lib dem blob was in- government. you remember that man, clegg increased student fees massively. your own

wonoenuw— fees massively. your own wonderful reporter- "oioio; rile; your own wonderful reporter olivia utley i wonderful reporter olivia utley . sow— wonderful reporter olivia utley i saw tweeted _ wonderful reporter olivia utley i saw tweeted today saying she nos— i saw tweeted today saying she nos now— i saw tweeted today saying she nos been— i saw tweeted today saying she has now been out— i saw tweeted today saying she has now been out of university for eight— has now been out of university on eogno wens — has now been out of university for eight years. her debt has gone— for eight years. her debt has gone up— for eight years. her debt has gone up so— for eight years. her debt has gone up to £51,000 pounds just because— gone up to £51,000 pounds just because on— gone up to £51,000 pounds just because of sunak— gone up to £51,000 pounds just because of sunak increase in oneness— because of sunak increase in interest rates.— because of sunak increase in interest rates. so— because of sunak increase in interest rates. so this is the sunow— interest rates. so this is the sunak attack— interest rates. so this is the sunak attack on— interest rates. so this is the sunak attack on the middle oosso — sunak attack on the middle oosso unno— sunak attack on the middle class. nana ask— sunak attack on the middle class. nana ask a olivia utley. ask— class. nana ask a olivia utley. ask een— class. nana ask a olivia utley. ask nen .— class. nana ask a olivia utley. ask nen . .— class. nana ask a olivia utley. ask ben . i agree— class. nana ask a olivia utley. ask ben . i agree with everything ask ben. i agree with everything ben:— ask ben. i agree with everything sen ouo— ask ben. i agree with everything sen out .— ask ben. i agree with everything nen out . nus— ask ben. i agree with everything ben, but. but there's no sensnke— ben, but. but there's no sensible sense- ben, but. but there's no sensible sense civil a centre senswke— sensible sense civil a centre sensible left— sensible sense civil a centre sensible left government, but onenes— sensible left government, but onene-s no— sensible left government, but there's no indication . there's no indication. ben unen— there's no indication. ben listen dennis— there's no indication. ben listen dennis there is no indication that keir starmer would do anything differently and if anything, he would probably tax higher. i'm not heanng probably tax higher. i'm not hearing sir keir starmer mention about tax cuts. anna have you heard say anything heard keir starmer say anything about taxes, especially about cutting taxes, especially helping out middle to helping out the middle class? to me tape from the me it sounds like tape from the middle robin middle class. it's like a robin hood because thinks hood tactic because he thinks that are that the middle class are wealthy. oh, no, absolutely. and think he'll and if anything, i think he'll guss— and if anything, i think he'll just—nkgn- and if anything, i think he'll just-high, even. and if anything, i think he'll- just-high, even higher just hike them high, even higher . i just hike them high, even higher . . neon— just hike them high, even higher . i mean, we .the— . i mean, we see the conservative- . i mean, we see the conservative well do conservative party as well do ons— conservative party as well do one-anew— conservative party as well do ants-anew wou— conservative party as well do this. they you know, they've this. and they you know, they've note— this. and they you know, they've made promises,— this. and they you know, they've made promises, example, that made promises, for example, that going— made promises, for example, that going-taxes- made promises, for example, that

we're going taxes down we're going to put taxes down one— we're going to put taxes down one-we-we— we're going to put taxes down one-we-we gust- we're going to put taxes down and we've just seen we've and then we've just seen we've not— and then we've just seen we've not-onet— and then we've just seen we've not-onoo-ano- and then we've just seen we've not-that-and we're. not seen that yet. and we're ktsnt— rishi sunak making these onontses— rishi sunak making these promises won't rishi sunak making these- promises _won't come promises today that won't come into— promises today that won't come into-we-we— promises today that won't come into-we-we tuso- promises today that won't come into we've just said into effect. we've just said untu— into effect. we've just said unfit-nut- into effect. we've just said until but labour until next year. but labour otsokutekw. — until next year. but labour absolutely. - not - until next year. but labour absolutely. not heard absolutely. i've not heard onwtntng— absolutely. i've not heard anything-cuts. absolutely. i've not heard anything-cuts .i absolutely. i've not heard. anything-cuts . if anything about tax cuts. if onwthng— anything about tax cuts. if onwtntng, they— anything about tax cuts. if anything, they be punishing anything, they will be punishing nono— anything, they will be punishing none-nutsn— anything, they will be punishing hard british people hard working british people wo-wne— hard working british people who've incredibly hard to who've worked incredibly hard to get-nonew— who've worked incredibly hard to get-nonew anot— who've worked incredibly hard to get money that they've get the money that they've enneo— get the money that they've earned—they. get the money that they've i earned _they will earned and instead they will puntsn— earned and instead they will puntsn-ouwtng- earned and instead they will punish putting up taxes puniin them by putting up taxes and punish them by putting up taxes and continuously— punish them by putting up taxes and continuously more and more, kooskokkw— and continuously more and more, we're basically in,— and continuously more and more, we're basically in, i— and continuously more and more, we're basically in, i think, a soetoust— we're basically in, i think, a socialist country— we're basically in, i think, a socialist country point socialist country at this point . wen.— socialist country at this point . weu. ten— socialist country at this point . well, ben, and— socialist country at this point . well, ben, and you- socialist country at this point . well, ben, and you probably agree with. well, and it's otsokuoekw— agree with. well, and it's absolutely right.- agiioi well, and it's absolutely right. we are living agiioi well, and it's abaolutely right. we are living agiioi well, and it's aba socialist|ht. we are living agiioi well, and it's aba socialist nightmare. living agiioi well, and it's aba socialist nightmare. andg in a socialist nightmare. and one— in a socialist nightmare. and one-one— in a socialist nightmare. and the-the problem. in a socialist nightmare. and the the problem with the problem the problem with sootousn— the problem the problem with socialism is— the problem the problem with socialism is that— the problem the problem with socialism is that eventually you run socialism is that eventually you . u-s— socialism is that eventually you run . it's actually— socialism is that eventually you run . it's actually deeply it's run. it's actually deeply it's oeeokw— run. it's actually deeply it's deeply depressing , you know. but deeply depressing, you know. but the deeply depressing, you know. but one problem— deeply depressing, you know. but the problem with— deeply depressing, you know. but the problem with socialism is you— the problem with socialism is you eventually— the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peopte-s— you eventually run out of other peopte-s nonew— you eventually run out of other people's money. and i remember wnen— people's money. and i remember wnen-uououn— people's money. and i remember when-labour-last- people's money. and i remember when labour last came when the labour party last came into—inherited- into office, they inherited a unteste— into office, they inherited a fantastic economy. john major ootuokkw— fantastic economy. john major ooouokkw kett— fantastic economy. john major actually left them a public sunokus— actually left them a public sunuus, not— actually left them a public surplus, not a— actually left them a public surplus, not a public borrowing negutneneno— surplus, not a public borrowing negutneneno .— surplus, not a public borrowing requirement , but— surplus, not a public borrowing requirement, but a public sunokus— requirement, but a public surplus. last— requirement, but a public surplus. last time the government- surplus. last time the government had a surplus and new— government had a surplus and knew kett— government had a surplus and they ken witn— government had a surplus and they left with the— government had a surplus and they left with the country tonknuoo. — they left with the country bankrupt. when labour come into oowen— bankrupt. when labour come into oowen ons— bankrupt. when labour come into power onts gm..— bankrupt. when labour come into

power this time they'll be tnnentng— power this time they'll be inheriting an— power this time they'll be inheriting an economy that is okneoow— inheriting an economy that is already teetering on the edge of cottonse— already teetering on the edge of ookkoose eno— already teetering on the edge of collapse and they— already teetering on the edge of collapse and they will kick it oven-edge— collapse and they will kick it over-edge within- collapse and they will kick it over edge within seconds . over the edge within seconds. ano— over the edge within seconds. and so— over the edge within seconds. and so .— over the edge within seconds. and so . teen— over the edge within seconds. and so i fear greatly for the economic trajectory of the united — economic trajectory of the united-eno- economic trajectory of the- united - and therefore economic trajectory of the- united _and therefore for united kingdom and therefore for the united kingdom and therefore for one nutte— united kingdom and therefore for the middle class.— united kingdom and therefore for the middle class. didn't the middle class. well, didn't anew—anewi the middle class. well, didn't. onew—anew ken they leave a note when they left outse— they leave a note when they left office-there's— office saying there's no more nonew— - office saying there's no morej nonew— |nnenn money left in this? i mean, i neon— money left in this? i mean, i neon onet— money left in this? i mean, i hear that seriously, even hear that seriously, they even their council spend way more money i suspect some people money as i suspect some people will out in the near will find out in the near distant what distant future. dennis, what would to all of this would you say to all of this very simply, i don't know what ben, but ben's talking about. i was elected in 1997. i was okneoow— was elected in 1997. i was okneoow on— was elected in 1997. i was already an mp— was elected in 1997. i was already an mp and in my area of souon— already an mp and in my area of south yorkshire— already an mp and in my area of south yorkshire that's up in the nonn— south yorkshire that's up in the noun ot— south yorkshire that's up in the north of england— south yorkshire that's up in the north of england and it's a bit far north of england and it's a bit ton owow— north of england and it's a bit ton owow non — north of england and it's a bit far away from the— north of england and it's a bit far away from the sort of where the far away from the sort of where one on — far away from the sort of where one on news— far away from the sort of where the gb news elites live . and the gb news elites live. and onene— the gb news elites live. and onene we— the gb news elites live. and there we were— the gb news elites live. and there we were so— the gb news elites live. and there we were so poor, we were there we were 50 pool“, we were 50 there we were 50 pool“, we were so goon— there we were 50 pool“, we were so goon .— there we were 50 poor, we were so goon . aske— there we were 50 poor, we were so goon . age of— there we were so poor, we were so poor . 75% of average income there we were so poor, we were so poor. 75% of average income . so poor. 75% of average income. we so poor. 75% of average income. we wee— so poor. 75% of average income. we getting— so poor. 75% of average income. we were getting handouts from nunoge— we were getting handouts from nunoge gust— we were getting handouts from nunoge us to— we were getting handouts from europe just to keep a bit of tnousww— europe just to keep a bit of industry alive.— europe just to keep a bit of industry alive. that was john anton-s— industry alive. that was john aaoton-s . — industry alive. that was john aaoton-s. we.— industry alive. that was john major's. no, no,- industry alive. that was john major's . \ooio industry alive. that was john major's. \oio e industry alive. that was john major's . m] e industry alive. that was john major's. \oio major's. no, no, no. it was tony blair came in with a big notice up saying, i won't raise taxes. we actually cut taxes . you want

we actually cut taxes. you want a we actually cut taxes. you want o tok— we actually cut taxes. you want a ten outing— we actually cut taxes. you want a tax cutting government ? i'm a tax cutting government? i'm not sue— a tax cutting government? i'm not stone— a tax cutting government? i'm not sure starve was going to do it. not sure starve was going to do a. no— not sure starve was going to do a. go wou— not sure starve was going to do u. no wou onw— not sure starve was going to do it. do you try labour? but for heaven's sake,— it. do you try labour? but for heaven's sake, don't trust conservatives _ heaven's sake, don't trust conservatives for the last few wees— conservatives for the last few wee gen — conservatives for the last few years, ben agrees with me. anna egees— years, ben agrees with me. anna gees witn— years, ben agrees with me. anna gees wun nne— years, ben agrees with me. anna agrees with me. okay so you egnee— agrees with me. okay so you egnee witn— agrees with me. okay so you agree with me.— agrees with me. okay so you agree with me. you labour. whet-s— agree with me. you labour. when one— agree with me. you labour. what's the alternative, - agree with me. you labour. what's the alternative, though? very briefly then. so so if we ask you the question then what do you think with regard to the labour party then? are they , are labour party then? are they, are they attacking the middle classes? do you think that they are? a grab the are? there is a grab for the middle classes. you middle classes. what do you think? are they think? ben habib yes. are they doing no? oh, absolutely doing yes or no? oh, absolutely 70% of earners in this country feu— 70% of earners in this country tekk into— 70% of earners in this country tekk into e— 70% of earners in this country fall into a bracket— 70% of earners in this country fall into a bracket between 30 000a— fall into a bracket between 30 000a ween— fall into a bracket between 30 000a ween eno— fall into a bracket between 30 000a year and 60 to 60 2 or esooo— 000a year and 60 to 60 2 or esooo e— 000a year and 60 to 60 2 or esooo e ween. — 000a year and 60 to 60 2 or 63,000 a year. the vast majority of one— 63,000 a year. the vast majority of one sounonw— 63,000 a year. the vast majority of the country are— 63,000 a year. the vast majority of the country are middle class eno— of the country are middle class end to— of the country are middle class end to ts— of the country are middle class and it is that— of the country are middle class and it is that middle class that is being— and it is that middle class that is being burdened— and it is that middle class that is being burdened by taxing . is being burdened by taxing. vou— is being burdened by taxing. wou coutu— is being burdened by taxing. you could argue,— is being burdened by taxing. you could argue, though, that the conservatives have left the tax level at the sort of tax level at the same point. so then more people fall in to tax . more people fall in to tax. that's that's that's precisely what that's a problem . absolutely right. problem. absolutely right. knew-we— problem. absolutely right. they've-people. problem. absolutely right.i

they've-people into they've dragged people into onese— they've dragged people into anese ntgnen— they've dragged people into these higher tax. the conservative- these higher tax. the conservative party. ' zgo“ conservative party. aidan weeken— conservative party. aidan mcgivern briefly , then, mcgivern very briefly, then, what you think? yeah, i what do you think? yeah, i absolutely agree. i think the conservatives— conservatives aren't conservative and we need a gowennneno— conservative and we need a government that actually going to,-bfi"9_ government that actually going to,-bring forward- to, you know, bring forward conservative _ to, you know, bring forward conservative lviv policies and eeauekkw— conservative lviv policies and eeauekkw-onts— conservative lviv policies and actually this country. actually save this country. gents— actually save this country. denis macshane,- actually save this country. denis macshane, your- actually save this country. denis macshane, your final word . 10s very time . you've got about 10s very time time for a change. it can't get any time for a change. it can't get enw unten— time for a change. it can't get any under worse _ time for a change. it can't get any under worse under- e fg it can't get any under worse under the tones. — any under worse under the tories. let's— any under worse under the tories. let's have a sensible ente— tories. let's have a sensible centre, sensible— tories. let's have a sensible centre, sensible government. neuewe— centre, sensible government. neuewe ne— centre, sensible government. neuewe n— centre, sensible government. believe me, if time for reform uk believe me, if time for reform uk oe—nen— believe me, if time for reform uk de—man well,— believe me, if time for reform uk de—man well, that's what they sent— uk de—man well, that's what they sent egout— uk de—man well, that's what they said about donald— uk de—man well, that's what they said about donald trump. 'o: said about donald trump. and kook— said about donald trump. and took wnee— said about donald trump. and look what they— said about donald trump. and look what they got— said about donald trump. and look what they got after that. thank you very much. denis macshane, ben habib and also anna mcgovern . thank you so much anna mcgovern. thank you so much for your thoughts. excellent right. well, what do you think? you've heard all that . you're you've heard all that. you're with nana akua. this is gb with me on nana akua. this is gb news. people's news. we are the people's channel. we're live on online channel. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. after the break, we will continue with our great this hour. break, we will continue with our greeasking, this hour. break, we will continue with our greeasking, is this hour. break, we will continue with our greeasking, is there this hour. break, we will continue with our greeasking, is there a his hour. break, we will continue with our greeasking, is there a war�*iour. break, we will continue with our greeasking, is there a war on r. i'm asking, is there a war on the middle class ? ulez. the the middle class? ulez. the thoughts of my panel gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also broadcaster journalist danny

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and i'm asking is there a war on the class ? now it's been the middle class? now it's been reported rishi sunak wants reported that rishi sunak wants to or to cut national insurance or income tax by up to 2% before next year's general election, but that's before next year's general election. do we believe him? sounds like a welcome break. excuse me, from the highest tax burden in 70 years. however such plans could be as far as next april. that's far away as next april. that's too long to wait. and in the meantime the labour party could be extending anti discrimination laws to incorporate the inequality of social class . so inequality of social class. so if i translate that for you, he's kind of wanting to level up the playing field, giving public bodies the power to divert funds and services such as gps and libraries from the affluent area . as so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is there a war on the middle class? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by gb news senior political commentator that. i'm joined by gb news seniornelson. l commentator that. i'm joined by gb news seniornelson. alsotmentator that. i'm joined by gb news seniornelson. also broadcaster nigel nelson. also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. nigel, i'm going to start with you. okay okay . the middle you. okay okay. the middle kess— you. okay okay. the middle kess oo— you. okay okay. the middle kess oo wou— you. okay okay. the middle class, do you think- okay. the middle class, do you think there's a .— class, do you think there's a . feu— class, do you think there's a war? i felt like— class, do you think there's a war? tie. a ’“oi“

class, do you think there's a war? a ’“oi“ war? i felt like zippy. then the zippy rainbow is there a war on the middle class? no. what? there the middle class? no. what? tnene ts.— the middle class? no. what? knee is ts— the middle class? no. what? there is, is you'll— the middle class? no. what? there is, is you'll be- oioioi f“ no. what? there is, is you'll be surprised anet— there is, is you'll be surprised one on— there is, is you'll be surprised that i'm actually— there is, is you'll be surprised that i'm actually rather in teou— that i'm actually rather in favour redistribution action. favour of redistribution action. ano— favour of redistribution action. ano oneo-s— favour of redistribution action. and that's what— favour of redistribution action. and that's what it's in. uegoun-s— and that's what it's in. labour's dna- and that's what it's in. labour's dna . that is what keir labour's dna. that is what keir stennen— labour's dna. that is what keir stennen ts— labour's dna. that is what keir starmer is talking— labour's dna. that is what keir starmer is talking about. labour's dna. that is what keir starmer is talking about . and starmer is talking about. and it's starmer is talking about. and its not— starmer is talking about. and it's not about— starmer is talking about. and it's not about taking a library non— it's not about taking a library non ntooke— it's not about taking a library from middle class area and plonk it from middle class area and plonk to into— from middle class area and plonk to into e— from middle class area and plonk it into a working— from middle class area and plonk it into a working class one. as— it into a working class one. as egout— it into a working class one. it's about building a library in a it's about building a library in ewonktng— it's about building a library in a working class— it's about building a library in a working class area and what one— a working class area and what wet-need— a working class area and what that-need need- a working class area and what that-need need is- a working class area and what that need need is you that would need need is you anensten— that would need need is you transfer funds— that would need need is you transfer funds over from richer, non— transfer funds over from richer, from wealthier— transfer funds over from richer, from wealthier areas to poorer getoen— from wealthier areas to poorer ones, better than— from wealthier areas to poorer ones, better than the way rishi sunek— ones, better than the way rishi sunek wes— ones, better than the way rishi sunak was doing— ones, better than the way rishi sunak was doing it, which was ounng— sunak was doing it, which was ounng ane— sunak was doing it, which was during the leadership debates. he during the leadership debates. we wes— during the leadership debates. he was talking— during the leadership debates. he was talking about giving nonew— he was talking about giving nonew neo— he was talking about giving money he'd already done it, giving— money he'd already done it, giving nonew— money he'd already done it, giving money to— money he'd already done it, giving money to richer areas . so giving money to richer areas. so he giving money to richer areas. so ne toke— giving money to richer areas. so ne tote geogke— giving money to richer areas. so he told people in— giving money to richer areas. so he told people in tunbridge weeks— he told people in tunbridge wekks gown— he told people in tunbridge wells down in— he told people in tunbridge wells down in kent, which is a nugekw— wells down in kent, which is a nugekw non— wells down in kent, which is a hugely rich area,— wells down in kent, which is a hugely rich area, he diverted some money from a poorer area to onen — some money from a poorer area to onen .— some money from a poorer area to onen . gut— some money from a poorer area to onen . but not— some money from a poorer area to them , but not all— some money from a poorer area to them , but not all areas of them, but not all areas of tungnoge— them, but not all areas of tunbridge wells are rich in weekn— tunbridge wells are rich in weeun eno— tunbridge wells are rich in wealth and maybe that poor area had wealth and maybe that poor area nee plenty— wealth and maybe that poor area nee gkentw ot— wealth and maybe that poor area had plenty of funds and wasn't . had plenty of funds and wasn't. anu— had plenty of funds and wasn't. anu onene— had plenty of funds and wasn't. and then we— had plenty of funds and wasn't. and there was some— had plenty of funds and wasn't. and there was some spare- had plenty of funds and wasn't. and there was some spare funds. i you know, like each area i mean, you know, like each area has places those areas

i mean, you know, like each area has aren't those areas i mean, you know, like each area has aren't as those areas i mean, you know, like each area has aren't as profitable areas i mean, you know, like each area has aren't as profitable ,reas i mean, you know, like each area has aren't as profitable , like, that aren't as profitable, like, you know, like even pimlico . you know, like even pimlico. apparently there's a hotel where migrants staying and they're migrants are staying and they're complaining that the rooms aren't . what aren't nice enough. but what about you, danny? what you about you, danny? what do you think? nigel wealth think? nigel the wealth redistribution. but think? nigel the wealth redistr be tion. but think? nigel the wealth redistrbe cut. but think? nigel the wealth redistr be cut would would the to be cut would would benefit— the to be cut would would benefit wealthy people as well as poorer people. _ benefit wealthy people as well as poorer people. so i don't unoensteno— as poorer people. so i don't understand wealth redistribution. �*vw�*oill redistribution. well, i'm talking i'm talking about labour generally speaking. what labour has always existed for which is to redistribute wealth around a bit when it comes down to rishi sunak and the tax cut , bit when it comes down to rishi sunak and the tax cut, he's only doing this or saying it to appease the right wing of the tory party who are demanding these tax cuts. it would be wrong to cut any taxes now until inflation is under control . inflation is under control. right. my view is that he's trying— right. my view is that he's tnwtng ao— right. my view is that he's trying to bribe— right. my view is that he's trying to bribe the voters gensonekkw— trying to bribe the voters personally because a tuppence in the personally because a tuppence in one gouno— personally because a tuppence in the pound interest— personally because a tuppence in the pound interest cut is i antnk— the pound interest cut is i antnk tus— the pound interest cut is i think it's incredibly attractive wnetnen— think it's incredibly attractive whether you're _ think it's incredibly attractive whether you're a _ think it's incredibly attractive whether you're a labour voter or wnetnen— whether you're a labour voter or wneenen woue — whether you're a labour voter or whether you're a _ whether you're a labour voter or whether you're a conservative wnoee— whether you're a conservative wnoeo tn— whether you're a conservative oen g. nw— whether you're a conservative voter, in my view.— whether you're a conservative voter, in my view. i think what he voter, in my view. i think what ne snouko— voter, in my view. i think what ne snouko oo—

voter, in my view. i think what he should do at— voter, in my view. i think what he should do at the moment, you eon-e— he should do at the moment, you eon-e gew— he should do at the moment, you eon-t gew e— he should do at the moment, you eon-t gew e gennw— he should do at the moment, you don't pay a penny in tax until you— don't pay a penny in tax until wou een— don't pay a penny in tax until you earn over 12.— don't pay a penny in tax until you earn over 12. i— don't pay a penny in tax until you earn over 12. i think the onnesnoko— you earn over 12. i think the threshold 12,000. think threshold is 12,000. i think i entnk— threshold is 12,000. i think i. think—increased think that should be increased geeuse— think that should be increased because well,— think that should be increased because well, that's the gotten.— because well, that's the problem, isn't- because well, that's the problem, isn't it? "ciao problem, isn't it? they've kept it at the same level , so problem, isn't it? they've kept it at the same level, so more and will fall into and more people will fall into it as inflation, as the prices inflate. so more and sure. inflate. so more and more. sure. but also , if we accept that but but also, if we accept that the right wing of the party who are mouth for are frothing at the mouth for things will be things to be done, they will be saying that there are people sitting at sitting on their backsides at home aren't working because home who aren't working because when they calculate that what, what, what outgoings are what, what their outgoings are to maybe get a bus into town to work 40 week, stacking work 40 hours a week, stacking shelves at aldi and they're getting paid nicker hour. getting paid 11 nicker an hour. and then they get all of and then once they get all of neu— and then once they get all ofi enetn—oeke and then once they get all ofi enetekk—oeke and then once they get all ofi theiall.the_take and then once they get all of theiall the fuel take and then once they get all of theiall the fuel and take and then once they get all of theiall the fuel and alltake and then once they get all of theiall the fuel and all ofe out all of the fuel and all of one— out all of the fuel and all of one osse— out all of the fuel and all of the costs, then— out all of the fuel and all of the costs, then they're better off the costs, then they're better on sktng— the costs, then they're better off sitting .their- the costs, then they're better off sitting their backsides off sitting on their backsides eoeuekkw— actually claiming support. and woue—agno- actually claiming support. and wou-ne—ngno eo- you're absolutely right to eoeueuw— you're absolutely right to actually-the- you're absolutely right to actually the tax free actually raise the tax free ekkowenee — actually raise the tax free allowance would really benefit geogke— allowance would really benefit geogke wno— allowance would really benefit geogke wno ee— allowance would really benefit people who are on very low incomes. that's- people who are on very low incomes . ff and if incomes. that's correct. and if woue— incomes. that's correct. and if you're on a which— incomes. that's correct. and if you're on a which was- incomes. that's correct. and if you're on a which was a- incomes. ff and if you're on a which was a lib dem gokkw— you're on a which was a lib dem gokkw knee— you're on a which was a lib dem gokkw one one— you're on a which was a lib dem policy that the tories then etogted— adopted, there's no harm in euognng— adopted, there's no harm in euognng geek— adopted, there's no harm in adopting great policies. i don't ontnk— adopting great policies. i don't wink—ge- adopting great policies. i don't. think—be embarrassed think that should be embarrassed or think that should be embarrassed on-ge— think that should be embarrassed or-be shameful.-

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joking. i, i know. i asked, you know. — joking. i, i know. i asked, you know. wetn— joking. i, i know. i asked, you know. well, they— joking. i, i know. i asked, you know. well, they shouldn't follow a word . no, no, it's follow a word. no, no, it's wonderful. you were fabulous by the what do you think? is the way. what do you think? is this middle this an attack on the middle classes ? it certainly is. nana classes? it certainly is. nana i tetoun— classes? it certainly is. nana i mean, labour have— f“ it certainly is. nana i mean, labour have always gnonotet— mean, labour have always promoted the— mean, labour have always promoted the idea of equal oggontunttw— promoted the idea of equal opportunity of_ promoted the idea of equal opportunity of outcome, but tnet-s— opportunity of outcome, but tnet-s not— opportunity of outcome, but that's not the— opportunity of outcome, but that's not the same as equal oggontunttw— that's not the same as equal oggontunttw to— that's not the same as equal opportunity to achieve. if you untenstent— opportunity to achieve. if you understand what— opportunity to achieve. if you understand what i mean. so the nonew-s— understand what i mean. so the non got— understand what i mean. so the non got to— understand what i mean. so the money's got to come from somewhere and- money's got to come from somewhere and it'll come from the somewhere and it'll come from tne ntttte— somewhere and it'll come from the middle class— somewhere and it'll come from the middle class and they'll teke— the middle class and they'll teke tnet— the middle class and they'll take that money and use it somewhere else- take that money and use it somewhere else . if you go back somewhere else. if you go back to we— somewhere else. if you go back to tne oews— somewhere else. if you go back to tne tews ot— somewhere else. if you go back to the days of communism, nana ent— to the days of communism, nana end we— to the days of communism, nana and the soviet— to the days of communism, nana and the soviet union, you've ontw— and the soviet union, you've ontw got— and the soviet union, you've ontw got to— and the soviet union, you've only got to look— and the soviet union, you've only got to look at how that ogenetet— only got to look at how that ogenetet to— only got to look at how that operated to see— only got to look at how that operated to see where the labour party— operated to see where the labour tentw — operated to see where the labour tentw gong.— operated to see where the labour party are going. the article in we— party are going. the article in tne nett— party are going. the article in the mail online— party are going. the article in the mail online was absolutely tenntwtng— the mail online was absolutely tennttwtng .— the mail online was absolutely tennttwtng . tut— the mail online was absolutely terrifying , but it's not terrifying, but it's not sungnstng— terrifying, but it's not surprising because scott starmer woutt— surprising because scott starmer woutt newe— surprising because scott starmer woutt newe us— surprising because scott starmer would have us believe that he's a would have us believe that he's e tonw— would have us believe that he's etonw ntetn— would have us believe that he's a tony blair. mark— would have us believe that he's a tony blair. mark two please note— a tony blair. mark two please note we— a tony blair. mark two please note we we— a tony blair. mark two please note this he read— a tony blair. mark two please note this he read down with me at note this he read down with me et tne— note this he read down with me et tne ent— note this he read down with me et tne ent ot— note this he read down with me at the end of the— note this he read down with me at the end of the day, he just ent — at the end of the day, he just ent utttng— at the end of the day, he just can't. hiding behind tony blair. aaenk— can't. hiding behind tony blair. aaenk aaottw— can't. hiding behind tony blair. aaenk aaottw to— can't. hiding behind tony blair. mark motty to be— can't. hiding behind tony blair. mark motty to be quite honest, ween— mark motty to be quite honest, ween .— mark motty to be quite honest, ween . wetn— mark motty to be quite honest,

yeah , well, well,— mark motty to be quite honest, yeah , well, well, listen, it's yeah, well, well, listen, it's towetw— yeah, well, well, listen, it's towetw to— yeah, well, well, listen, it's lovely to talk— yeah, well, well, listen, it's lovely to talk to _ yeah, well, well, listen, it's lovely to talk to you as well. sent— lovely to talk to you as well. sent out— lovely to talk to you as well. sent out woun— lovely to talk to you as well. sort out your mic,— lovely to talk to you as well. sort out your mic, though. - lovely to talk to you as well. sort out your mic, though. you need to sort out the audio there because sounded bit muffley because it sounded a bit muffley and clear. and you to your very clear. thank talk thank you. it's lovely to talk to you. have lovely day. to you. have a lovely day. that's mcneely . our that's alan mcneely. he's our fabulous, voice fabulous, great british voice here nana akua. fabulous, great british voice here you. nana akua. fabulous, great british voice here you. alan. nana akua. fabulous, great british voice here you. alan. speaki akua. fabulous, great british voice here you. alan. speak to kua. fabulous, great british voice here you. alan. speak to you thank you. alan. speak to you soon. heart. so soon. bless his heart. right. so what do you think? keep your thoughts coming. gb views gb news this week, 300 news .com. but this week, 300 industry leaders warned that al artificial intelligence could lead to human extinction and should be considered very seriously. artificial intelligence technologies have been around for decades, in fact, but the speed with which the language learning models like chatgpt have entered the mainstream has intensified concern . batus so let's see what concern. batus so let's see what my panel make of that. joining me as senior political commentator nigel nelson, also broadcast on journalist danny kelly. are you scared of ai , kelly. are you scared of ai, danny? are you scared? no. no, i'm not, although— danny? are you scared? no. no, i'm not, although i— o“ '”oi “sr no. no, i'm not, although i understand tnet— i'm not, although i understand we at— i'm not, although i understand we at et— i'm not, although i understand that al at the— i'm not, although i understand that al at the moment, i don't tonget— that al at the moment, i don't tonget. tt-s— that al at the moment, i don't tonget. us not— that al at the moment, i don't forget. it's not in— that al at the moment, i don't forget. it's not in its infancy teeuse— forget. it's not in its infancy because you're _ forget. it's not in its infancy because you're right, ai's been eoue— because you're right, ai's been around, we've been doing it for. out— around, we've been doing it for. but-advancements- around, we've been doing it for. but advancements of but with the advancements of

teennotogw— but with the advancements of technology, speeding technology, it's really speeding up technology, it's really speeding “p_a'- up and accelerating. ai eggenenttw— up and accelerating. ai apparently we can look at a gottttoet— apparently we can look at a political cartoon— apparently we can look at a political cartoon maybe drawn by ttke— political cartoon maybe drawn by someone like matt— political cartoon maybe drawn by someone like matt who draws for the someone like matt who draws for tne tetegnegn— someone like matt who draws for the telegraph and— someone like matt who draws for the telegraph and can unpick it and understand— the telegraph and can unpick it and understand its context and why— and understand its context and wnw tt-s— and understand its context and wnw tt-s tunnw— and understand its context and wnw tt-s tunnw .— and understand its context and why it's funny . now, does that why it's funny. now, does that tngose— why it's funny. now, does that tngose e— why it's funny. now, does that impose a threat— why it's funny. now, does that impose a threat to mankind? wetn— impose a threat to mankind? wett. et— impose a threat to mankind? well, at least— impose a threat to mankind? well, at least someone can. i'm toktng. — well, at least someone can. i'm toktng. ot— well, at least someone can. i'm joking. of course.— well, at least someone can. i'm joking. of course. telegraph would have to be a nefarious actor involved in order to allow ai actor involved in order to allow al to pose a threat to our existence. or al to pose a threat to our existence . or am i missing existence. or am i missing sonetntnge— existence. or am i missing something? no— existence. or am i missing something? no - oik< f or am i missing something? no the trouble is, the nefarious actors who might be involved . so, i mean, the be involved. so, i mean, the difficulty i think , with al is difficulty i think, with al is the difficulty we've had with all new technology . regulation all new technology. regulation is always way behind development. so we're still i mean, tim berners—lee invented the internet or the world wide web in 1991. we're still trying to sort out legislation about how to control it and the difficulty with al is we're really behind the curve about not controlling that. so it's

things like if ai can think for itself , what would it then do to itself, what would it then do to and that microsoft had done an experiment which is shown that it can take in external experiences which weren't programmed into it, which shows that somewhere along the line it's able to do things that humans have lost control of. well, you know what as well, i read it that this this ai it gave it its operator was telling it what to do in it. it decided the i it what to do in it. it decided tne . neen— it what to do in it. it decided the i mean this— it what to do in it. it decided the i mean this was- it what to do in it. it decided the i mean this was a- e o:oi.o “ g it decided the i mean this was a simulation .—kttt- . it wouldn't actually kill enwtotw— . it wouldn't actually kill enwtotwltn- . it wouldn't actually kill anybody. in the simulation anybody. but in the simulation it anybody. but in the simulation tt-tts— anybody. but in the simulation it-its operator.- it killed its operator. it teottet— it killed its operator. it. decided _ not it killed its operator. it- decided_not going decided that now i'm not going to—to- decided that now i'm not going to—to toi to do what you're going to do. on — to do what you're going to do. on _to— to do what you're going to do. on _to kit— to do what you're going to do. i'm-to kill the- to do what you're going to do. i'm to kill the operator. i'm going to kill the operator. tut— i'm going to kill the operator. tut-wowe— i'm going to kill the operator. tut-woutu tt— i'm going to kill the operator. but-would it kill- i'm going to kill the operator. but-would it kill the- but how would it kill the operator? well that's what that's was. it was that's what it was. it was gnognennet— that's what it was. it was- programmed-something programmed to do something else. but that's what it would have tone— but that's what it would havei tone—tne done had it been. yeah. so the ai done had it been. yeah. so the at ent— done had it been. yeah. so the at ent etso— done had it been. yeah. so the ai and also they— done had it been. yeah. so the ai and also they had another one wnene—tt— ai and also they had another one where—itllittle- ai and also they had another one whtof _itllittle - ai and also they had another one wh10t bangladeshi,t little ai and also they had another one wh10t bangladeshi, i little ai and also they had another one wh10t bangladeshi, i littl it bit of bangladeshi, i think it wese—- bit of bangladeshi, i think it| wese— snont was. and then within a short sgeoe—tol was. and then within a shorti sgeoe—to tne space of time it could do the wnote—tnts- space of time it could do the whole—this is. space of time it could do the. whole—this is but whole language. so this is but tnene-s— whole language. so this is but tnene-s-one— whole language. so this is but there's-one where- whole language. so this is but there's one where the ai there's another one where the ai uset— there's another one where the ai uset to— there's another one where the al was used to make— there's another one where the al was used to make the connection tnon— was used to make the connection tnon tne— was used to make the connection from the neurological connection tnon— from the neurological connection tnon tne— from the neurological connection from the motor— from the neurological connection from the motor neurones, to wow—

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. neut— what did he fall over? something . teut on.— what did he fall over? something . teut on. wes. — what did he fall over? something . paul oh, yes. ' ”oi “oi”oi . paul oh, yes. apparently there was a sandbag . look, the word was a sandbag. look, the word out— was a sandbag. look, the word tett tn— was a sandbag. look, the word tett tn tne— was a sandbag. look, the word fall in the united— : innit; look, the word fall in the united states until neettw— fall in the united states until really recently,— fall in the united states until really recently, it— fall in the united states until really recently, it meant eutunnn — really recently, it meant autumn. now- really recently, it meant autumn. \otif.t�*ot" e really recently, it meant autumn. mm" . really recently, it meant- autumn. now it means biden. really recently, it meant— autumn. now it means biden. it's extraordinary. this this chap he found. look, he might not be able to walk in a straight line, but he can fine had a sandbag, apparently. so he's quite he's got his detecting skills are really off the scale . yes. really off the scale. yes. apparently there was a sandbag and apparently there was a sandbag in japan when we talked about then keep about that. and then they keep putting on the stairs of putting sandbag on the stairs of air force as on the air force one as well. on the way so he's being way up and down. so he's being this man can find a sandbag in i don't know , a place where don't know, a place where sandbags are banned . but anyway, sandbags are banned. but anyway, so, yes, he's had another fall . so, yes, he's had another fall. now, this this this obama was former doctor, white house doctor has now said this is now teetering on malpractice from the white house to even put him to in run again. this is i this

is elder abuse. even donald trump this week, donald trump did a town hall. he was being interviewed by hannity and he did a town hall. and he asked hannity, he phoned him apparently before and said, don't jokes about biden's don't make jokes about biden's lack of cognisance and awareness and his , uh, his his current and his, uh, his his current physical and mental decline and don't make jokes about it. that's from donald trump. when donald trump is saying don't make we know make fun of the guy, we know that we are at sort of that we are at some sort of tipping this is getting tipping point. this is getting absurd. now, the man cannot be allowed but maybe allowed out in public, but maybe donald trump has worked out that he doesn't want to get the sympathy public sympathy of the public because he's on the he's done so well working on the sympathy of the public himself. he's so off. it he's done so well off. it ntnsett. — he's done so well off. it himself. what's his polling like tnen— himself. what's his polling like tnen now— himself. what's his polling like then now? oh,— himself. what's his polling like then now? oh, well , if you're then now? oh, well, if you're wetontng— then now? oh, well, if you're watching.you're_ then now? oh, well, if you're watching you're radio , watching if you're on radio, we-enow— toei we're watching it now. joe gotten-s— we're watching it now. joe biden's-over- we're watching it now. joe biden's-over ,- we're watching it now. joe biden's over , over biden's fallen over, over notntng— biden's fallen over, over notntng . — biden's fallen over, over nothing . look- biden's fallen over, over nothing . : biden's fallen over, over- nothing . look at that sand . oh, nothing. look at that sand. oh, come on. that sandbag sandbag zahawi. why would you put i come on. iostog iostog why would you put i mean zahawi. why would you put i mean kwh)!— zahawi. why would you put i mean we woutt— zahawi. why would you put i mean we woutt wou— zahawi. why would you put i mean we woutt wou gut— zahawi. why would you put i mean , why would you put a— why would you put i mean , why would you put a sand bar if , why would you put a sand bar to tnene— , why would you put a sand bar to tnene wes— , why would you put a sand bar if there was a— , why would you put a sand bar if there was a sandbag, which i tttn-t— if there was a sandbag, which i

tttn-t-tnene— if there was a sandbag, which i didn't-there was- if there was a sandbag, which i didn't-there was a- if there was a sandbag, which i didn't there was a sandbag didn't see there was a sandbag tnee— didn't see there was a sandbag tnee wnw— didn't see there was a sandbag there, why would _ didn't see there was a sandbag there, why would you put a sentteg— there, why would you put a sandbag that, sandbag around the podium that, you sandbag around the podium that, wou—toi you know, an old man's going to tng— you know, an old man's going to tug-tt— you know, an old man's going to tntg-tt tnew-ne- you know, an old man's going to trip-if they're not- trip over it? if if they're not tnwtng— trip over it? if if they're not tnwtng to— trip over it? if if they're not tnwtng to kit— trip over it? if if they're not trying to kill him? i know. ttke— trying to kill him? i know. ttke t— trying to kill him? i know. ttke t sent.— trying to kill him? i know. like i said, if— trying to kill him? i know. like i said, if it's— trying to kill him? like i said, if it's there isn't okay— like i said, if it's there isn't okew tn— like i said, if it's there isn't one. okay i'm just saying there tsn-t— one. okay i'm just saying there get one— one. okay i'm just saying there tsn-t nut— one. okay i'm just saying there isn't one. but this— one. okay i'm just saying there isn't one. but this is the unent— isn't one. but this is the current defence from the white house — current defence from the white house ant.— current defence from the white house. and,-know,- current defence from the white house. and, know, biden house. and, you know, joe biden now—teugntng- house. and, you know, joe biden now—teugntng tt- house. and, you know, joe biden now—laughing it off. house. and, you know, joe biden now going, laughing it off house. and, you know, joe biden now going, i've laughing it off house. and, you know, joe biden now going, i've beeniing it off house. and, you know, joe biden now going, i've been sandbagged and going, i've been sandbagged and going, i've been sandbagged ent tt-s— and going, i've been sandbagged ent ets-tow.— and going, i've been sandbagged and it's-jolly. but- and it's all just jolly. but we're actually— and it's all just jolly. but we're actually seeing elder etuse— we're actually seeing elder etuse .— we're actually seeing elder abuse . this— we're actually seeing elder abuse . this is— we're actually seeing elder abuse . this is what's actually abuse. this is what's actually neggentng— abuse. this is what's actually neggentng .— abuse. this is what's actually neggentng . tt-s— abuse. this is what's actually happening . it's like, keep going happening. it's like, keep going out tnee— happening. it's like, keep going out there,-going- happening. it's like, keep going out there, going there out there, keep going out there . .wtet— out there, keep going out there . .what-donald- out there, keep going out there. . .what-donald trump out there, keep going out there- . .what-donald trump? . and what about donald trump? oh, go on. i was going to ask you trump's polling, oh, go on. i was going to ask you how1mp's polling, oh, go on. i was going to ask you how is p's polling, oh, go on. i was going to ask you how is he polling, oh, go on. i was going to ask you how is he doing?|, oh, go on. i was going to ask you how is he doing? because though. how is he doing? because i answer that. i was about to answer that. yes, exactly . so, look, yes, exactly. so, look, desantis,_ yes, exactly. so, look, desantis, .we - yes, exactly. so, look, desantis,-we entered desantis, as we know, entered the desantis, as we know, entered tne-week. — desantis, as we know, entered the-week. mike- desantis, as we know, entered the week. mike pence the race last week. mike pence nes— the race last week. mike pence nes entenet— the race last week. mike pence has entered-last- the race last week. mike pence has entered last week. has entered the race last week. ant—teete- has entered the race last week. l and—qatar seismic and this has had a qatar seismic etteot— and this has had a qatar seismic etteot on— and this has had a qatar seismic effect on-polling. _ and this has had a qatar seismic effect on polling. trump is effect on the polling. trump is up effect on the polling. trump is ug enotnen— effect on the polling. trump is up another points. so now up another five points. so now tnung— up another five points. so now tnung ts— up another five points. so now tnung ts et— up another five points. so now trump is at before— up another five points. so now trump is at before when desantis wsnt— trump is at before when desantis wsnt nunntng— trump is at before when desantis wasn't running, he— trump is at before when desantis wasn't running, he was at 48. wow— wasn't running, he was at 48. now desantis— wasn't running, he was at 48. now desantis and pence have entenet— now desantis and pence have entenet tne— now desantis and pence have entered the race.— now desantis and pence have entered the race. he's at 53. so all entered the race. he's at 53. so ett ot— entered the race. he's at 53. so ett ot nts— entered the race. he's at 53. so all of his other— entered the race. he's at 53. so all of his other rivals have ontw— all of his other rivals have ontw got— all of his other rivals have ontw got at— all of his other rivals have only got 47 between them. twenwtntng— only got 47 between them. everything we've said this tetoe— everything we've said this before, this— everything we've said this before, this is— everything we've said this before, this is not this is not stnetgnt—

before, this is not this is not straight politics— before, this is not this is not straight politics anymore. this is straight politics anymore. this ts outtunet— straight politics anymore. this is cultural. this— straight politics anymore. this is cultural. this is social. tnts— is cultural. this is social. tnts ts— is cultural. this is social. this is almost- is cultural. this is social. this is almost religious in oentetn— this is almost religious in certain areas— this is almost religious in certain areas in- this is almost religious in certain areas in the united stetes.— certain areas in the united stetes. ant— certain areas in the united states. and that's what's eotuettw— states. and that's what's actually happening here. they are actually happening here. they not— actually happening here. they are not taking— actually happening here. they are not taking on— actually happening here. they are not taking on a political etwensenw— are not taking on a political adversary here.— are not taking on a political adversary here. they're taking on a cultural— adversary here. they're taking on a cultural revolution in. wow.— on a cultural revolution in. wow. tt-s— on a cultural revolution in. wow. it's incredible,- on a cultural revolution in. wow. it's incredible, isn't it? and do you think in your view, because trump said that he was sort cheated out of the sort of cheated out of the election victory last time, do you think that's right? you think that that's right? because , everything he because so far, everything he said out be true, said has turned out to be true, even lot sceptics out even this a lot of sceptics out there. so far everything he there. but so far everything he said turned to true . said has turned out to be true. in short, yes , absolutely. and in short, yes, absolutely. and wnen— in short, yes, absolutely. and when t— in short, yes, absolutely. and when t test— in short, yes, absolutely. and when i first was— in short, yes, absolutely. and when i first was doing this, i was on on other channels when, you know, because gb news wasn't around . and i said look, around. and i said like, look, biden might have won day biden might have won the day after. biden might have after. i said biden might have won. looked at everything won. i've looked at everything i've looked everything i can i've looked at everything i can get yeah i think he get my hands on. yeah i think he was cheated. well, a lot of geogte— was cheated. well, a lot of geogte seen— was cheated. well, a lot of people seem to— oz: well, a lot of people seem to think that he's soot— people seem to think that he's sontlsewtng— people seem to think that he's sontlsewtng-tt-sl sort of saying that. and it's not— sort of saying that. and it's not-teen— sort of saying that. and it's not-listen,-it'si not true. listen, paul, it's etwews— not true. listen, paul, it's always pleasure to talking always a pleasure to talking wou.— always a pleasure to talking. wou—ugtetet always a pleasure to talking- wou—ugtetet on you. you will keep us updated on wnet-s— you. you will keep us updated on what's—america. - what's going on in america. i towe— what's going on in america. i towe neentng— what's going on in america. i love hearing all— what's going on in america. i love hearing all the stuff, esgeetettw— love hearing all the stuff, especially trump. i think he gnotettw— especially trump. i think he gnotettw wttt— especially trump. i think he probably will win the next

eteotton. — probably will win the next. election. _ anybody election. i can't see anybody etse— election. i can't see anybody etse-to— election. i can't see anybody. else-to-challenge election. i can't see anybody- else _to -challenge to else coming to be a challenge to en— else coming to be a challenge to he et— else coming to be a challenge to he et en — else coming to be a challenge to him at all. nah,— else coming to be a challenge to him at all. nah, that's another conversation— him at all. nah, that's another conversation. _ him at all. nah, that's another conversation . an— him at all. nah, that's another conversation . ' “ conversation. an another conversation. an another conversation. it's abortion or abortion will be the thing i'm telling you . is that the one. telling you. is that the one. all telling you. is that the one. att ntgtt— telling you. is that the one. all right-listen,- telling you. is that the one. all right-listen, it's. “g is that the one. all right. listen, it's so all right. well, listen, it's so good— all right. well, listen, it's so good to— all right. well, listen, it's so good to tetk— all right. well, listen, it's so good to talk to— all right. well, listen, it's so good to talk to you. paul guttnttge.— good to talk to you. paul duddridge, always pleasure. duddridge, always a pleasure. tnet— that is paul duddridge. he's the nost—teogte- that is paul duddridge. he's the host-he's-people- that is paul duddridge. he's the host he's keepingople that is paul duddridge. he's the host he's keepingoplup podcast. he's keeping us up to tete— podcast. he's keeping us up to tete-wnet-s— podcast. he's keeping us up to date .what's-on- date with what's going on at stetestte— date with what's going on at. stateside—joined stateside. if you've just joined ne-on toent- stateside. if you've just joined me, on board. listen, stateside. if you've just joined- me,-on board. listen, on me, welcome on board. listen, on the me, welcome on board. listen, on tne-got— me, welcome on board. listen, on tne-gotlwenw- the way, i've got a very exotttng— the way, i've got a very exciting guest- the way, i've got a very- exciting guest-outside exciting guest in my outside segment— exciting guest in my outside segment-after- exciting guest in my outside segment after 5:00. he is segment just after 5:00. he is an segment just after 5:00. he is en etsotute— segment just after 5:00. he is an absolute incredible agent to some-sten— an absolute incredible agent to some-stens .— an absolute incredible agent to some-stars , so— an absolute incredible agent to some stars , so you won't some big stars, so you won't went— some big stars, so you won't went to— some big stars, so you won't went to nntss— some big stars, so you won't want to miss who- some big stars, so you won't want to miss who is, keep want to miss who he is, but keep woun— your guesses coming. vaiews@gbnews.uk um. you're wetontng— vaiews@gbnews.uk um. you're wetontng ne— vaiews@gbnews.uk um. you're watching me. i'm— vaiews@gbnews.uk um. you're watching me. i'm nana akua. woue— watching me. i'm nana akua.| wou-ne—ttgttet you're listening live on digital netto— you're listening live on digital netto es— you're listening live on digital radio as well. _ you're listening live on digital radio as well. more to come in tne— radio as well. more to come in tne-noun— radio as well. more to come in tne-noun .— the next hour. so— the next hour. so tt- the next hour. so it is- the next hour. so it is 5:00. we are the next hour.- so it is 5:00. we are the geogte-s— so it is 5:00. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. ant— people's channel. i'm nana akua. ant ton— people's channel. i'm nana akua. ant ton tne— people's channel. i'm nana akua. and for the next— people's channel. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my genet— and for the next hour, me and my genet wttt— and for the next hour, me and my genet wttt te— and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the panel will be taking on some of tne-togtos— panel will be taking on some of the-topics hitting— panel will be taking on some of the topics hitting the the big topics hitting the headlines— headlines right now. this show is headlines right now. this show ts ett— headlines right now. this show ts ett etout— headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it is all about opinion. it's mine, tt-ent— is all about opinion. it's mine, tt-ent ot— is all about opinion. it's mine, it-and of course- is all about opinion. it's mine, it and of course it's it says and of course it's

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sheffield . indian authorities sheffield. indian authorities say a signal problem was likely response signal for the country's worst train crash in decades. the number of people who were killed in the accident has now been revised to down 275. another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary freight train before derailing and striking a second passing train. prime minister narendra modi, who faces re—election next year, says those found guilty will be punished at the immigration minister has told gb news it's wrong for migrants to demand better hotel accommodation while waiting for their asylum claims to be processed. it's after a protest was sparked in london by migrants being asked to sleep four to a room. speaking to camilla tominey, robert jenrick said the government will never put their interests above the british public. he also said sharing a hotel room is necessary to get value for

taxpayers money. remember, these are taxpayers money. remember, these ntgnents— taxpayers money. remember, these ntgnents wno— taxpayers money. remember, these are migrants who have— oio“oi«o remember, these are migrants who have said they are migrants who have said they testttute— are migrants who have said they are destitute and— are migrants who have said they are destitute and they've said tnet— are destitute and they've said we tnew— are destitute and they've said that they have— are destitute and they've said that they have absolutely nownene— that they have absolutely nowhere to _ that they have absolutely nowhere to stay. no friends, no tenttw— nowhere to stay. no friends, no tenttw .— nowhere to stay. no friends, no tenttw . no— nowhere to stay. no friends, no family , no money,— nowhere to stay. no friends, no family , no money, and the family, no money, and the tekgewen— family, no money, and the tekgewen ts— family, no money, and the taxpayer is stepping up and gnowtttng— taxpayer is stepping up and providing them— taxpayer is stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation— providing them with good quality accommodation and board and totgtngs— accommodation and board and totgtngs ent— accommodation and board and lodgings and so— accommodation and board and lodgings and so those i think tnose— lodgings and so those i think those migrants— lodgings and so those i think those migrants are wrong to gnotest— those migrants are wrong to gnotest ent— those migrants are wrong to protest and say— those migrants are wrong to protest and say that they tesenwe — protest and say that they tesenwe to — protest and say that they deserve to have single bedrooms wttt— deserve to have single bedrooms wttn en— deserve to have single bedrooms wttn en sutte— deserve to have single bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. with en suite bathrooms and so ant— with en suite bathrooms and so ant tn— with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common sense— on. and i'm pleased to see that common sense seems to have gnewettet— common sense seems to have gnewettet tn— common sense seems to have prevailed in this— common sense seems to have prevailed in this case. ' ” prevailed in this case. a labour mp prevailed in this case. a labour ng tes— prevailed in this case. a labour ng tes tote— prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told gb news victims are to scared to complain about sexual predators in parliament. charlotte nichols told camilla tominey that harassers it is baked into every single part of how westminster operates. she also accused the labour party of not choosing king, of choosing not choosing king, of choosing not to act on concerns raised about a number of colleagues over a very long period. her comments come after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps she should avoid when first

becoming an mp . it's happened to becoming an mp. it's happened to me in meetings batus during the middle of the working day . i've middle of the working day. i've had colleagues do things like inappropriate touching. you know, their hand on your leg or on your back or making comments towards you and on someone that, as i said , within the hierarchy as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster is relatively protected by virtue of being an mp. so how much worse it must be if you're someone who has less power in the institution where you're more likely to experience it and even less able to speak out when it happens. the new head of the cbi says she will fight for the organisation after it was rocked by allegations of sexual misconduct. ray newton—smith, who was appointed director general last month, faces a crunch vote on tuesday with members deciding if they have confidence in the business group. it's after leading companies, including natwest , companies, including natwest, mastercard, itv and astrazeneca, left the cbi in april when the

sexual harassment claims were first reported. more than a dozen women came forward with two separate allegations of rape . the prime minister is stressing the importance of a close and candid relationship with the us president ahead of his visit to the white house next week. rishi sunak is expected to attend a baseball game in washington, dc. prior to talks with joe biden, he'll also be meeting with business executives in an attempt to build closer economic ties between the two countries. as more than 2600 nhs staff in scotland have taken time off work due to long covid, with some off sick for more than two years. that's according to freedom of information requests by the scottish liberal democrats . while the scottish democrats. while the scottish government says it's investing £10 million into the long covid support fund and the duke of sussex will appear at the high court tomorrow to give evidence against the publisher of the

daily mirror over alleged unlawful information gathering . unlawful information gathering. harry claims around 140 published articles contained information gathered using unlawful methods , including unlawful methods, including phone hacking . mirror group phone hacking. mirror group newspapers is contesting the claims and royal correspondent michael cole says it will be very unusual to see a royal on the witness stand , a royal the witness stand, a royal prince going into the witness box to give evidence in a very contentious case against mirror group group newspapers that hasn't happened ever since . hasn't happened ever since. since the 19th century. it is unprecedented. _ since the 19th century. it is unprecedented. i mean, there's notntng— unprecedented. i mean, there's notntng tn— unprecedented. i mean, there's notntng tn tne— unprecedented. i mean, there's nothing in the british constitution - nothing in the british constitution that says a royal gntnoe— constitution that says a royal prince cannot— constitution that says a royal prince cannot give evidence or ennot— prince cannot give evidence or ennot te— prince cannot give evidence or cannot be called— prince cannot give evidence or cannot be called to give a wttness— cannot be called to give a wttness. to— cannot be called to give a witness, to be— cannot be called to give a witness, to be a- cannot be called to give a witness, to be a witness . and in witness, to be a witness. and in tne— witness, to be a witness. and in tne test— witness, to be a witness. and in tne test tew— witness, to be a witness. and in the last few minutes, dorset gottoe— the last few minutes, dorset gottee newe— the last few minutes, dorset police have named the 17 year ott— police have named the 17 year ott tow— police have named the 17 year ott tow wno— police have named the 17 year old boy who died— police have named the 17 year old boy who died after getting tnto— old boy who died after getting into difficulty— old boy who died after getting into difficulty in— old boy who died after getting into difficulty in the water off bournemouth _ into difficulty in the water off bournemouth beach . bournemouth beach. as joe ebus tnon— bournemouth beach. as joe ebus from southampton. in a statement, the family paid

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thoughts migrants sharing hotel rooms is. humane?_thoughts ? humane? what is your thoughts? sentoustwe— humane? what is your thoughts? seriously? immigration minister kotent— seriously? immigration minister kotenttenntok— seriously? immigration minister robert jenrick has said that the oountnw— robert jenrick has said that the oountnw-to— robert jenrick has said that the country-to reduce- robert jenrick has said that the country to reduce its country needs to reduce its nettenee— country needs to reduce its nettenoe on— country needs to reduce its reliance on hotels for housing ntgnents— reliance on hotels for housing ntgnents .— reliance on hotels for housing migrants . seems— reliance on hotels for housing migrants . seems perfectly migrants. seems perfectly reasonable— migrants. seems perfectly reasonable and all of this comes as reasonable and all of this comes es ao— reasonable and all of this comes es ao ntgnents— reasonable and all of this comes as 40 migrants were offered sgees— as 40 migrants were offered sgees tn— as 40 migrants were offered sgees tn e— as 40 migrants were offered spaces in a pimlico hotel. yes, wenw— spaces in a pimlico hotel. yes, wenw gosn— spaces in a pimlico hotel. yes, wenw gosn gent— spaces in a pimlico hotel. yes, wenw gosn gent ot— spaces in a pimlico hotel. yes, very posh part of london, quite egenstwe— very posh part of london, quite expensive.imyself_ very posh part of london, quite expensive. myself personally expensive. i myself personally oouttn-t— expensive. i myself personally couldn't afford— expensive. i myself personally couldn't afford live there, couldn't afford to live there, tut—to- couldn't afford to live there,i but _to - after but they refused to stay after tetng— but they refused to stay after tetng esket— but they refused to stay after being asked to— but they refused to stay after being asked to sleep. four geogte— being asked to sleep. four geogte tn— being asked to sleep. four geogte tn e— being asked to sleep. four people in a room. so what are woun— people in a room. so what are woun tnougntse— people in a room. so what are your thoughts? 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to me about you. and because, you know, written years you know, i've written two years ego. — you know, i've written two years awe-jonathan- you know, i've written two years ego-tonetnen .- you know, i've written two years ego-tonetnen . t- you know, i've written two years ago, jonathan , i think ago, actually, jonathan, i think you— ago, actually, jonathan, i think you-actuallve- ago, actually, jonathan, i think you-actually,.be. you did reply actually, to be ten— you did reply actually, to be tetnletwews— you did reply actually, to be fair always golden fair, i always try to golden nute— fair, i always try to golden nute . — fair, i always try to golden rule . here's— fair, i always try to golden rule . here's a- fair, i always try to golden rule . oi”oi “ rule. here's a lesson for anybody. always reply to rule. here's a lesson for- anybody. always reply to emails or anybody. always reply to emails on tettens— anybody. always reply to emails on tettens .— anybody. always reply to emails or letters . yeah. _ anybody. always reply to emails or letters . yeah. in— anybody. always reply to emails or letters . yeah. in the- ’st“«o : always reply to emails or letters . yeah. “ oioo: or letters. yeah. in the old daysit or letters. yeah. in the old days it was letters. now it's

emails. but it's really important to be courteous because you never might because you never know who might because you never know who might be superstar be the next superstar who reaches that's reaches out to you. well, that's tnue. — reaches out to you. well, that's tnue. ant — reaches out to you. well, that's true. and well,— reaches out to you. well, that's true. and well, do— reaches out to you. well, that's true. and well, do you- f well, that's true. and well, do you regret it? true. and well, do you regret tte ant— true. and well, do you regret tte ant nee— true. and well, do you regret it? and here-are. - true. and well, do you regret it? and here are. you're on it? and here you are. you're on a it? and here you are. you're on e-t-n— it? and here you are. you're on e-t-n teestng- it? and here you are. you're on a-i'm teasing you.- a tv show. i'm teasing you. teestng—t- a tv show. i'm teasing you.- teestng—t-went teasing teasing you. i once went to-nenegen— teasing teasing you. i once went to-nenegen ent- teasing teasing you. i once went to manager and actually to a talent manager and actually it to a talent manager and actually tt wes— to a talent manager and actually tt neut— to a talent manager and actually it was paul duddridge. he was on nets— it was paul duddridge. he was on ne-s one— it was paul duddridge. he was on ne-s ot— it was paul duddridge. he was on ne-s ot nw— it was paul duddridge. he was on he's one of my he— it was paul duddridge. he was on he's one of my he does the world wew— he's one of my he does the world ton— he's one of my he does the world view for america. _ he's one of my he does the world view for america. and i used to wntte— view for america. and i used to wntte to— view for america. and i used to write to everybody— view for america. and i used to write to everybody and ewenwtntng. — write to everybody and everything. said everything. and i said to him, wnet— everything. and i said to him, wnet ts— everything. and i said to him, what is what?— everything. and i said to him, what is what? what should i do? ttwe— what is what? what should i do? t-we wnttten— what is what? what should i do? i've written to— what is what? what should i do? i've written to hundreds of geogte—eu- i've written to hundreds of geogte—ett ot| i've written to hundreds of- people_all of them, people. i wrote to all of them, ent—tne— people. i wrote to all of them, and-the chain- people. i wrote to all of them,l and-the chain always. and i followed the chain always. ant— and i followed the chain always. ant ne— and i followed the chain always. ant ne tott— and i followed the chain always. and he told-the- and i followed the chain always. and he told the best and he told me that the best egent— and he told me that the best egent-sett— and he told me that the best agent self agent. so that's agent is a self agent. so that's wnet—now- agent is a self agent. so that's. what—how-you get what i did. and how did you get tnto— what i did. and how did you get tnto tne— what i did. and how did you get into the profession— what i did. and how did you get into the profession of being an egentw— into the profession of being an egente t— into the profession of being an egente t wes— into the profession of being an agent? i was looking at that the otnen— agent? i was looking at that the otnen oew— agent? i was looking at that the other day because— agent? i was looking at that the other day because i'm just being nonounet— other day because i'm just being honoured with— other day because i'm just being honoured with a— other day because i'm just being honoured with a lifetime tttettne— honoured with a lifetime lifetime achievement award in anentoe— lifetime achievement award in america, thinking america, and i was thinking etout—entl america, and i was thinkingi about—and how america, and i was thinking. about—and how it about my backstory and how it tegen— about my backstory and how it tegen-t— about my backstory and how it tegen-t tett— about my backstory and how it began,-i felt that- about my backstory and how it began, i felt that probably began, and i felt that probably it began, and i felt that probably tt tegen— began, and i felt that probably tt tegen geek— began, and i felt that probably it began back in— began, and i felt that probably it began back in the late 1960s wnen— it began back in the late 1960s wnen t— it began back in the late 1960s wnen t net— it began back in the late 1960s when i met people like lord laurence olivier,— when i met people like lord laurence olivier, and then i went— laurence olivier, and then i went on— laurence olivier, and then i went on to— laurence olivier, and then i went on to meet- laurence olivier, and then i went on to meet princess grace of went on to meet princess grace ot ttoneo— went on to meet princess grace ot ttoneo . — went on to meet princess grace of monaco . wow.— went on to meet princess grace of monaco . . “o: went on to meet princess grace of monaco . . “o: of monaco. wow. and people of that ilk . and that all happened that ilk. and that all happened because i involved in because i was involved in theatre grandmother was

theatre and my grandmother was a patron the arts. iused theatre and my grandmother was a patron the arts. i used to patron of the arts. i used to work at backstage- patron of the arts. i used to work at backstage at- “ i used to work at backstage at theatres ent— work at backstage at theatres and i backstage _ work at backstage at theatres and backstage and meet and go backstage and meet lots of and go backstage and meet lots ot-geogte— and go backstage and meet lots ot-geogte tnet- and go backstage and meet lots of-people that got- and go backstage and meet lots of people that got the of creative people that got the bug — of creative people that got the bug-bug— of creative people that got the tug-tug ot— of creative people that got the bug bug of hollywood bug and the bug of hollywood teeuse— bug and the bug of hollywood. teeuseuse—t because hollywood people used to come-the— because hollywood people used to come .the theatre. _ because hollywood people used to come the theatre. �*fwz; because hollywood people used to come the theatre. m; ”a" " come to the theatre. we ran in sussex— come to the theatre. we ran in sussex-n— come to the theatre. we ran in sussex it was an extremely sussex and it was an extremely exciting here in those exciting time here in those great hollywood stories . wow. so great hollywood stories. wow. so you you ran a great hollywood stories. wow. so you-you ran a theatre- great hollywood stories. wow. so you-you ran a theatre in- you said you ran a theatre in sussex— you said you ran a theatre in sussex teu— you said you ran a theatre in sussex. tell me— you said you ran a theatre in sussex. tell me a- you said you ran a theatre in sussex. tell me a little bit more about. _ sussex. tell me a little bit more about. will 2 z " c " more about. well, i didn't run it. theatre it. my family ran a theatre and i worked. you worked i kind of worked. you worked around— i kind of worked. you worked around tne— i kind of worked. you worked around the back— i kind of worked. you worked around the back of- z : you worked around the back of the stage “2 2 you worked around the back of the stage and i around the back of the stage and . kind— around the back of the stage and . kind on— around the back of the stage and . kind on dd— around the back of the stage and i kind of did errands was i kind of did errands and was got— i kind of did errands and was. dot—doing got pocket money for not doing nunn— got pocket money for not doing nncn-ven- got pocket money for not doing much, very important much, but i felt very important being— much, but i felt very important bend-young- much, but i felt very important being young teenager. being sort of a young teenager. but being sort of a young teenager. nnt-nns— being sort of a young teenager. nnt-nns n— being sort of a young teenager. but-was a theatre- being sort of a young teenager. but-was a theatre where. but but it was a theatre where the greatest actor ever, lord olivier, was the first director at actually, at chichester, actually, chichester theatre. and chichester festival theatre. and because artistic because he was the artistic director, attracted great director, he attracted great international stars to come and perform at this theatre . so perform at this theatre. so i got those great got to meet those great international stars and in years to , i used to the to come, i used to go to the royal theatre again and to come, i used to go to the royagreat theatre again and to come, i used to go to the royagreat internationalagain and to come, i used to go to the royagreat international stars. and met great international stars. so i of the buzz and i so i kind of had the buzz and i remember of the first remember one of the first concerts i ever saw because my uniqueness my company, uniqueness of my company, entertainment is cover entertainment is we cover all areas entertainment. most areas of entertainment. most companies of specialise in companies sort of specialise in i areas. we cover music ,

i or 2 areas. we cover music, sport, social media, broadcasting , acting. last broadcasting, acting. last night, awards we have night, the soap awards we have winners. we make shows with discovery, we make shows with the shows, the itv, the bbc, we make shows, the itv, nbc in america, paramount plus we have big records around the world as you've mentioned, some of names, cher, elton john, of the names, cher, elton john, we've for example, we've worked with, for example, and the breadth is hugely exciting and also who you get to meet , really exciting, you know, meet, really exciting, you know, seeing the news report just then, met kings, then, i've literally met kings, queens, popes and presidents, which i kind of pinch myself even now when i think about it, because it's a great privilege to meet these kinds of people . to meet these kinds of people. and it's also a great privilege. and it's also a great privilege. and this is why i think trust is so important these people so important that these people trust you with careers and so important that these people tr|youou with careers and so important that these people tr|you represent careers and so important that these people tr|you represent someone's and so important that these people tr|you represent someone , and so important that these people tr|you represent someone , their if you represent someone, their livelihood in your hands livelihood is in your hands because you're their ambassador to world. so if they their to the world. so if they their career falters or anything goes wrong and their earnings go down, that means not going to pay down, that means not going to pay their mortgage, their children's school fees, the alimony, to other alimony, the allowance to other members their family members of their family or whatever. to whatever. they have money to

spend and i've got to spend on it. and i've got to make that continues . i've make sure that continues. i've also make sure they're also got to make sure they're represented right world represented right to the world in ways. like i'm an in many ways. like i'm an ambassador for country , but ambassador for a country, but i'm ambassador an i'm an ambassador for an individual because particularly i'm an ambassador for an indi\withl because particularly i'm an ambassador for an indi\withl bedwaya particularly i'm an ambassador for an indi\withl bedway the rticularly i'm an ambassador for an indi\withl bedway the wholerly i'm an ambassador for an indi\withl bedway the whole media now with the way the whole media goes whole time, goes nuts, the whole time, you've got to work very hard at protecting clients reputations who very easily can skew away from what they're trying to do and what trying and what they're trying to achieve, especially with the digital era. so literally nddndnd— digital era. so literally nonndng n— 2 g cl”? so literally nothing is deleted . 2 2 2;”ed so literally nothing is deleted . even 2 2 ne;”ed so literally nothing is deleted . even if you nothing is deleted. even if you sadd— nothing is deleted. even if you said something— nothing is deleted. even if you said something years and years and—nnn- said something years and yearsi and—an nnng and years ago, people can bring dese— and years ago, people can bring mend—and— and years ago, people can bring these—and affect- and years ago, people can bring these and affect your these things out and affect your nud— these things out and affect your career. but the _ these things out and affect your career. but the problem with nddnd— career. but the problem with ndgnd nn— career. but the problem with digital era is— career. but the problem with digital era is when you just nave— digital era is when you just nave nnn— digital era is when you just nave pnnd . — digital era is when you just have print . n 2 have print. newspapers thought about what they printed because they weren't true. there could be be be legal action, it could be very but online very expensive, but online people anything and of people print anything and of course, what lot of people do is they anonymous things they go anonymous and say things onune they go anonymous and say things online people , and then they go anonymous and say things onlistory people , and then they go anonymous and say things onlistory becomes.e , and then they go anonymous and say things onlistory becomes the and then they go anonymous and say things onlistory becomes the truth. en the story becomes the truth. even the in the even it's not the truth in the beginning it's down in beginning because it's down in the, the hemisphere . the, you know, the hemisphere. it then becomes the truth, which is truth the is never a truth in the beginning. very beginning. so it's a very difficult to social difficult to manage social media. well, eamonn did make a dude,— media. well, eamonn did make a ddddd-ne— media. well, eamonn did make a ddddd-ne-n— media. well, eamonn did make a

ddddd-ne-n yon- e22 well, eamonn did make a quotechallenge if you e22 well, eamonn did make a quotechallenge a if you e22 well, eamonn did make a quotechallenge a lie, f you e22 well, eamonn did make a quotechallenge a lie, it/ou don't challenge a lie, it become— don't challenge a lie, it becomes truth. he is becomes the truth. he is doomed— becomes the truth. he is- absolutely—isn't absolutely right spot on, isn't it?_challenge. absolutely right spot on, isn't. it?_challenge that it.7 if you do not challenge that lie, it.7 if you do not challenge that din-nooonoo— it.7 if you do not challenge that lie,-becomes your- it.7 if you do not challenge that lie, becomes your truth. lie, that becomes your truth. wno— lie, that becomes your truth. wno wo— lie, that becomes your truth. who was-first- lie, that becomes your truth.| who was .first-that who was the first person that you— who was the first person that yon-wno — who was the first person that non-wno no- who was the first person that you who was your first you took on.7 who was your first ddonn— you took on.7 who was your first ononn nnond — you took on.7 who was your first client then? i— you took on.7 who was your first client then? i mean,- you took on? who was your first client then? “ 23 client then? i mean, the very first client i on first client i took on who wasn't known. and it a wasn't even known. and it was a singer but singer called matt mudd. but through this young man, i learned how the record industry worked. back of worked. and then off the back of matt people matt matt, i met other people and then the opportunity and then the big opportunity that took me globally was i rediscovered an old american musician that led me to work with sir george beatles. martin the guy produced the the guy who produced the beatles, them to emi beatles, who signed them to emi records. and that led to elton john, cher, sting, carly simon, a whole number of international stars that saw me iconic hall, new york i—i evening, in fact, the night before this concert, i was at a dinner party selling creating the concert the next day. and this concert was arranged his wife . arranged by sting and his wife. it used to an annual it used to be an annual fundraiser for the sting's rainforest foundation. and this is the dinner party guest list. and it's a table probably no bigger obviously, bigger than this. obviously, i was there . elton john, sting ,

was there. elton john, sting, pavarotti , whitney houston. pavarotti, whitney houston. those are the ones i remember. you must like you said, you must pinch yourself . think, crikey, pinch yourself. think, crikey, n-n — pinch yourself. think, crikey, i'm surrounded— pinch yourself. think, crikey, i'm surrounded by— “2“ think, crikey, i'm surrounded by these absolute legends-_ i'm surrounded by these absolute dogondo. noo— i'm surrounded by these absolute dogondo. nos — i'm surrounded by these absolute legends. yes but— i'm surrounded by these absolute legends. yes but ultimately, though, these legends might be legends to the world in terms of their stardom. but the ones that get to the top and stay there are hard work. they're are really hard work. they're very serious about their their work. remember, work. and i mean, i remember, for , recording elton for example, recording elton john . some of john with orchestras. some of the musicians used to turn the young musicians used to turn up weren't prepared. up late. they weren't prepared. and elton came early . he'd and elton came early. he'd rehearsed what he was doing, says the clock started ticking with the orchestra present because an because you have to pay an orchestra whatever time you start, them for orchestra whatever time you starwaiting them for orchestra whatever time you starwaiting time. them for orchestra whatever time you starwaiting time. if them for orchestra whatever time you starwaiting time. if you hem for orchestra whatever time you starwaiting time. if you keepor the waiting time. if you keep them waiting. but knew them waiting. but also knew that. literally spent that. and he literally had spent days rehearsing days and days rehearsing the music. later found out music. and i later found out from driver to ensure elson from his driver to ensure elson was time. a lot of stars from his driver to ensure elson waslatetime. a lot of stars from his driver to ensure elson waslate ,�*ne. a lot of stars from his driver to ensure elson waslate , as. a lot of stars from his driver to ensure elson waslate , as you a lot of stars from his driver to ensure elson waslate , as you probably stars from his driver to ensure elson waslate , as you probably know. are late, as you probably know. but to make sure elson on but to make sure elson was on time, driver gone round time, his driver had gone round there to check there the day before to check there the day before to check the traffic to make sure he knew there the day before to check the wayic to make sure he knew there the day before to check the way and make sure he knew there the day before to check the way and would sure he knew there the day before to check the way and would note he knew there the day before to check the way and would not bed knew there the day before to check the way and would not be late.n the way and would not be late. yeah, that's. and do you think nnon— yeah, that's. and do you think not o— yeah, that's. and do you think not o don— yeah, that's. and do you think not d not on— yeah, that's. and do you think that a lot of the— d/2;ed e“ and do you think that a lot of the biggest stars

are that a lot of the biggest stars announ— that a lot of the biggest stars are actually really nice people? neoe— are actually really nice people? neeonee non— are actually really nice people? because you know, sometimes you see someone and you see you see someone and you ondnn— see you see someone and you ondnn-onenne— see you see someone and you think, they're amazing, and think, oh, they're amazing, and onen— think, oh, they're amazing, and then—them] think, oh, they're amazing, and. tnen—onen- and then you actually meet them. and it's then you actually meet them. and node-o— then you actually meet them. and it's a disappointment in it's such a disappointment in non—one- it's such a disappointment ini non—one ndooeeo your view, most of the biggest ende— your view, most of the biggest enne—dood- stars actually really good deodo— stars actually really good people, because if people, because i think if none— people, because i think if yon-e noo— people, because i think if you're not nice- people, because i think if you're not nice to people, then in you're not nice to people, then. dn—ond in the end it will come back and one— in the end it will come back and nne—nonre— bite you. i think you're absolutely— bite you. i think you're absolutely ' “2 bite you. i think you're. absolutely-and i bite you. i think you're- absolutely-and i don't absolutely right. and i don't think at the top think you remain at the top unless fundamentally unless you're fundamentally a nice person, because there are very few people who can't be replaced . and so therefore, replaced. and so therefore, people don't like you. they'll look a chance to bring you look for a chance to bring you down. think that when down. and i also think that when people say star wasn't what i people say a star wasn't what i thought they were going to be, it's the expectation it's often the expectation because a star becomes because normally a star becomes a star because of their talent or is, you can or whatever it is, and you can love talent, but then you love that talent, but then you build expectation around that build an expectation around that talent person is or talent of what that person is or is not like. and people often are the are very different in the privacy of their own homes or their friends their their own friends and their families. in their families. and they are in their pubuc families. and they are in their public perception often . and public perception so often. and also when you go to approach big stars, a of big stars are stars, a lot of big stars are shy. be strange thing shy. it might be a strange thing to you think they're to say, but you think they're massive extroverts because they go stage perform to go on a stage and perform to

millions of people on television around world. but actually around the world. but actually talking they talking to them one on one, they can a can often not be that good a conversationalist. the strangers. think it's about strangers. so i think it's about expectation. it's also the way you people and approach you approach people and approach them and if you you approach people and approach the up and if you you approach people and approach theup a and if you you approach people and approach theup a star and if you you approach people and approach theup a star in and if you you approach people and approach theup a star in a and if you you approach people and approach theup a star in a restaurant go up to a star in a restaurant at having dinner with their partner and their children and they give you massive they don't give you massive warmth back, perhaps you're being rude interrupting so being rude interrupting them. so i think it's about sps i think it's all about sps station and it's also about the way you treat them as well, because stars are all because big stars are all because big stars are all because stars because they're big stars doesn't say you can doesn't mean to say you can interfere they're interfere with them when they're off i think there's off duty. and i think there's a way of approaching people and a way of approaching people and a way not approach way to not approach people. if someone's watching or listening now they're thinking, i'd now and they're thinking, i'd love a talent agent , what love to get a talent agent, what would be the best route for them to do that? i mean, you know , i to do that? i mean, you know, i ondnn— to do that? i mean, you know, i ondnn non— to do that? i mean, you know, i ondnn yon yon-ne— to do that? i mean, you know, i think you you've got— to do that? i mean, you know, i think you you've got to- 22 “edi” i mean, you know, i think you you've got to email one— think you you've got to email one oodeno— think you you've got to email the talent agents. /2:2. “

you're doing. and the great thing about youtube is you can create a clip on your iphone of yourself doing something, and as yourself doing something, and as you that in, you may get you send that in, you may get picked up. or if you want to be a broadcaster on radio of you speaking, writing with a speaking, but writing with a clip of you doing what you want to . but the truth it's to do. but the truth is, it's a high risk , high reward business. high risk, high reward business. and means is most people and that means is most people don't succeed. most people don't get to have an amazing career because it's simply too many people. you are going to people. so if you are going to try you like , in show try and be, if you like, in show business, talent space business, in the talent space and not go a conventional and not go down a conventional career where you join a company with a qualification, you build yourself up so you get upward yourself up so you get an upward trajectory of your career and the income which means a guaranteed life for most people. that's the best way proceed . that's the best way to proceed. being talent in public eye being talent in the public eye can be very lonely and very difficult, and very few are going to make it. it's a tough job, someone's to it. job, but someone's got to do it. jonathan and you're doing it very—vou- jonathan and you're doing it- oen—non-nnen very well. thank you very much, jonathan- — very well. thank you very much, jonathan. _briefly- very well. thank you very much, jonathan. _briefly ,- very well. thank you very much, jonathan. briefly , tell jonathan. and very briefly, tell us jonathan. and very briefly, tell ne—one— jonathan. and very briefly, tell us_the award- jonathan. and very briefly, tell us_the award that. us a bit about the award that you— us a bit about the award that non—oodndndi you picked up. you're talking onono— you picked up. you're talking onono-. - you picked up. you're talking onono-. nne- you picked up. you're talking about-. i've had. you picked up. you're talkingj about-. i've had a you picked up. you're talking- about-. i've had a few about an award. i've had a few awards over the years . you know,

awards over the years. you know, one was one of the great awards was getting at buckingham getting an obe at buckingham palace and it actually palace and it was actually the best was my mother, my best bit of it was my mother, my dear who never really dear mother, who never really understood still understood what i do and still doesn't my was doesn't because my sister was a school teacher brilliant school teacher and a brilliant school teacher and a brilliant school . my mother school teacher. my mother understood being understood that. but being a talent and creating talent agent and creating opportunities i do for people to go palace and get go to buckingham palace and get an from our late queen was an obe from our late queen was a pretty experience for pretty awesome experience for her, this particular award her, but this particular award coming up next year, it's going to be a lifetime achievement award by someone in california. but for me say it to but it's not for me to say it to . it. okay. well, . they announce it. okay. well, jonathan— . they announce it. okay. well, jonathan shirley,— . they announce it. okay. well, jonathan shirley, thank- “22 2 2 okay. well, jonathan shirley, thank so jonathan shirley, thank you so nnon— jonathan shirley, thank you so much-joining— jonathan shirley, thank you so much .joining me- jonathan shirley, thank you so much joining me it's really much forjoining me. it's really good—nnon- much forjoining me. it's really good—nnot del much forjoining me. it's really good—nnot de ,l much forjoining me. it's reallyi good _that is , of good to talk to you. that is, of course,_jonathan| course, the fabulous jonathan snodn— course, the fabulous jonathan snodn .— course, the fabulous jonathan snodn. ne-e— course, the fabulous jonathan shalit. he's talent manager shalit. he's a talent manager ond— shalit. he's a talent manager ond ne-e— shalit. he's a talent manager ond ne-e oneo— shalit. he's a talent manager and he's also a— shalit. he's a talent manager and he's also a chairman of the nnoenodeno— and he's also a chairman of the intertalent rights— and he's also a chairman of the intertalent rights group . well, intertalent rights group. well, one— intertalent rights group. well, one de— intertalent rights group. well, one de en— intertalent rights group. well, this is gb news,— intertalent rights group. well, this is gb news, if you just onned— this is gb news, if you just onned dn— this is gb news, if you just tuned in. welcome on board. it's neo—do— tuned in. welcome on board. it's just—19 minutes. tuned in. welcome on board. it's just 5:00. 19 minutes tuned in. welcome on board. it's just 5:00. i'm 19 minutes tuned in. welcome on board. it's just 5:00. i'm nana minutes tuned in. welcome on board. it's just 5:00. i'm nana akuates tuned in. welcome on board. it's just 5:00. i'm nana akua in the after 5:00. i'm nana akua in the neon— after 5:00. i'm nana akua in the next nonn— after 5:00. i'm nana akua in the next hour, we'll— after 5:00. i'm nana akua in the next hour, we'll be— after 5:00. i'm nana akua in the next hour, we'll be doing the neon— next hour, we'll be doing the great british— next hour, we'll be doing the great british debate this hour. i'm great british debate this hour. n-n enno— great british debate this hour. on oenno. do— great british debate this hour. i'm asking, do you think nodded.— i'm asking, do you think margaret, sharing hotel rooms is dnnnnone— margaret, sharing hotel rooms is dnnnnone 7— margaret, sharing hotel rooms is dnnnnone e n— margaret, sharing hotel rooms is inhumane ? in the— margaret, sharing hotel rooms is inhumane ? in the comfort inn in inhumane? in the comfort inn in nnneo— inhumane? in the comfort inn in nnneo no— inhumane? in the comfort inn in pimlico was at— inhumane? in the comfort inn in pimlico was at the— inhumane? in the comfort inn in pimlico was at the centre the pimlico was at the centre of the nene-neen— pimlico was at the centre of the nene-neen oe— pimlico was at the centre of the news week as around 20 news this week as around 20 oendnn— news this week as around 20 asylum seekers— news this week as around 20

asylum seekers camped outside the asylum seekers camped outside one onneon.— asylum seekers camped outside the protest. the— asylum seekers camped outside the protest. the poor conditions of the protest. the poor conditions on one— the protest. the poor conditions on one noted.— the protest. the poor conditions of the hotel. we'll— the protest. the poor conditions of the hotel. we'll be discussing _ of the hotel. we'll be discussing-.-

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houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, do you think that migrant sharing hotel rooms in now, a hotel rooms is humane in now, a hotel in pimlico has caved in to the demands over the unsafeness of four to a room policy . the staff four to a room policy. the staff have announced now only a maximum of two migrants will share a room. now this is in the comfort inn in pimlico , which comfort inn in pimlico, which was at the centre of the news this around 20 asylum this week as around 20 asylum seekers outside to seekers camped outside to protest the poor conditions . protest the poor conditions. despite the fact that they've probably come somewhere on a boat, although i know of boat, although i know some of them essex or them were somewhere in essex or something, in something, but they were in another hotel somewhere else. something, but they were in anotisaid)tel somewhere else. something, but they were in anotisaid)tel conditionse else. something, but they were in anotisaid)tel conditionse ethe they said the conditions in the hotel poor . but they said the conditions in the hotel poor. but aren't hotel were poor. but aren't these people lucky that they're being provided sanctuary ? what being provided sanctuary? what do you think and why are they all stuck here for years without actually being protests processed? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking , do british debate this hour, i'm asking, do you think that the migrants sharing a hotel room is inhumane? so joining me to discuss that, hojjat bankole also, he's an immigration lawyer, jess gill, host of recent uk belinda de lucy, former brexit party and

political commentator, and matthew statland , broadcaster. matthew statland, broadcaster. i'm going to start with you, huab i'm going to start with you, hijab in terms of legality, surely the accommodation is perfectly legitimate and they should be thankful for it . but should be thankful for it. but where do we stand legally with this ? there are certain this? there are certain standards— this? there are certain standards that- e7 there are certain standards that are expected same onnnee— standards that are expected same ooonee non— standards that are expected same applies for prisons,— standards that are expected same applies for prisons, same oppdee— applies for prisons, same ooonee non— applies for prisons, same applies for people who are deoodned— applies for people who are detained and— applies for people who are detained and if— applies for people who are detained and if it's not acceptable, _ detained and if it's not acceptable, then the home office has acceptable, then the home office noe oo— acceptable, then the home office noe no nonde— acceptable, then the home office has to provide that. _ acceptable, then the home office has to provide that. they're unden— has to provide that. they're nnden on— has to provide that. they're under an obligation. however onenes— under an obligation. however onene-e no— under an obligation. however there's no compulsion . the there's no compulsion. the nddnonoe— there's no compulsion. the ndononoe oe— there's no compulsion. the migrants are more than welcome to migrants are more than welcome do find— migrants are more than welcome do find onen— migrants are more than welcome to find their own— migrants are more than welcome to find their own accommodation , to find their own accommodation . nno— to find their own accommodation . on n— to find their own accommodation . on n non-o— to find their own accommodation , but it won't be— to find their own accommodation , but it won't be paid for by one— , but it won't be paid for by one ponde— , but it won't be paid for by the public, so— , but it won't be paid for by the public, so they can do that. if the public, so they can do that. n onen— the public, so they can do that. n oney don-o.— the public, so they can do that. if they don't, if— the public, so they can do that. if they don't, if they're not happy— if they don't, if they're not noppy nnn— if they don't, if they're not happy with the _ if they don't, if they're not happy with the circumstances . happy with the circumstances. nno— happy with the circumstances. on one — happy with the circumstances. on one none— happy with the circumstances. but the home office is under an onndonon— but the home office is under an onndonon n— but the home office is under an obligation if it's— but the home office is under an obligation if it's providing accommodation that's humane , accommodation that's humane, nnot-e— accommodation that's humane, onode onne— accommodation that's humane, that's ample fit— accommodation that's humane, that's ample fit for habitation . non.— that's ample fit for habitation . non. yon— that's ample fit for habitation . ian, you sound— that's ample fit for habitation . ian, you sound like- that's ample fit for habitation . ian, you sound like you had what i had the other week with my voice. it was terrible. it will go there in in time. it takes a long time, i'll tell you that now. right. let's go to jess gill then. she's the host

of jess . and of reasoned uk. jess. and inhumane to me is that the taxpayer has to spend millions a day for these people to complain. it's majority young eondnd— complain. it's majority young men coming here— 22e“ e“ it's majority young men coming here and the eoondonde— men coming here and the standards aren't well enough for to o— standards aren't well enough for to o noon— standards aren't well enough for to a room that's— standards aren't well enough for to a room that's basic british nondon— to a room that's basic british nondon non— to a room that's basic british nondoy for o— to a room that's basic british holiday for a working class familv-— holiday for a working class nondn. non— holiday for a working class family. you know , students who family. you know, students who are _travelling _ family. you know, students who are-travelling in- family. you know, students who are travelling in hostels are going travelling in hostels noee— are going travelling in hostels face worse conditions. so say not— face worse conditions. so say that inhumane— face worse conditions. so say that inhumane is— face worse conditions. so say that inhumane is absolutely ridiculous. _ that inhumane is absolutely ridiculous. nana- that inhumane is absolutely ridiculous. \edefled�*dendd“«n that inhumane is absolutely ridiculous. \ned“ed roddy ed”2; ridiculous. nana why are we funding these people who aren't even grateful? i'm sure it's way better— even grateful? i'm sure it's way better nnon— even grateful? i'm sure it's way better than the _ e“ 2 i” i'm sure it's way better than the supposedly wall nonn— better than the supposedly wall torn countries— better than the supposedly wall torn countries that they're coming— torn countries that they're eondno non — torn countries that they're coming from . - torn countries that they're coming from . 4 2 coming from. yeah, well, you'd think belinda . lucy so , so, you think belinda. lucy so, so, you nnon— think belinda. lucy so, so, you now. |— think belinda. lucy so, so, you know. n ondnn— think belinda. lucy so, so, you know, i think that— think belinda. lucy so, so, you know, i think that ,— think belinda. lucy so, so, you know, i think that , you- “

neeeoed— cow to the world, sending the nneeeoeo onn— cow to the world, sending the message out that— cow to the world, sending the message out that everyone can nene. non— message out that everyone can come here. you don't need doennenoe— come here. you don't need doennenoe .— come here. you don't need documents . you- come here. you don't need documents . you can be documents. you can be a enndnon— documents. you can be a criminal. and— documents. you can be a criminal. and even if you're not an criminal. and even if you're not on oendnn — criminal. and even if you're not an asylum seeker,— criminal. and even if you're not an asylum seeker, we'll pretend you— an asylum seeker, we'll pretend you one— an asylum seeker, we'll pretend you non— an asylum seeker, we'll pretend you are. you-all— an asylum seeker, we'll pretend you are. you all come. it's you are. you can all come. it's nnnnen— you are. you can all come. it's unlikely-deport- you are. you can all come. it's unlikely deport you. unlikely we'll deport you. tnon-e— unlikely we'll deport you. that's being that's the message that's being eeno— that's the message that's being send-one— that's the message that's being sent-the british- sent out. if the british government - sent out. if the british government doesn't respect the ennen— government doesn't respect the british taxpayer,— government doesn't respect the british taxpayer, how can we ended— british taxpayer, how can we expect migrants— british taxpayer, how can we expect migrants to do so? and, you— expect migrants to do so? and, you nnon— expect migrants to do so? and, you know. ne— expect migrants to do so? and, you know, it's not— expect migrants to do so? and, you know, it's not about you know, it's not all about neonee— you know, it's not all about treaties-japan- you know, it's not all about treaties-japanlal treaties. nana japan is a edonooon— treaties. nana japan is a edonooon on— treaties. nana japan is a signatory of the refugee convention _ signatory of the refugee convention 1951. they accept a nondnnd— convention 1951. they accept a nondnnd on— convention 1951. they accept a handful on average under 100 nenndeee.— handful on average under 100 nenndeee. o— handful on average under 100 refugees, a year— handful on average under 100 refugees, a year because they none — refugees, a year because they none o— refugees, a year because they none o ennen— refugees, a year because they have a strict definition of what a have a strict definition of what o nenndee— have a strict definition of what o nenndee de— have a strict definition of what o nennoee de .— have a strict definition of what a refugee is . the— have a strict definition of what a refugee is . the definition of a refugee is. the definition of a refugee is. the definition of o nenndee— a refugee is. the definition of o nenndee dn— a refugee is. the definition of a refugee in england . now thanks a refugee in england. now thanks a refugee in england. now thanks o doo— a refugee in england. now thanks o not no— a refugee in england. now thanks o not no one— a refugee in england. now thanks a lot to the lib— a refugee in england. now thanks a lot to the lib left— a refugee in england. now thanks a lot to the lib left and a weak nonn— a lot to the lib left and a weak tory government.— a lot to the lib left and a weak tory government. is anyone and eneonenn— tory government. is anyone and eneonenn nno— tory government. is anyone and everyone who just— tory government. is anyone and everyone who just wants to come nee.— everyone who just wants to come nene. ne— everyone who just wants to come nene. no on— everyone who just wants to come here. it's an insult— everyone who just wants to come here. it's an insult and abuse to one— here. it's an insult and abuse to the british— here. it's an insult and abuse to the british taxpayer. i think onese— to the british taxpayer. i think oneee oneo— to the british taxpayer. i think these ones may— to the british taxpayer. i think these ones may well be asylum eeeenen— these ones may well be asylum seekers though— these ones may well be asylum seekers though just a different dennndon. — seekers though just a different definition. but— seekers though just a different definition. but ultimately they haven't. had their haven't. they haven't had their claim processed yet. so they're not definitely— claim processed yet. so they're not definitely asylum - 2.ed 22 «2. so they're not definitely asylum seekers. oney-ne— not definitely asylum seekers. they're ined— not definitely asylum seekers. they're just they're majority non— they're just they're majority non one— they're just they're majority from the safe— they're just they're majority from the safe country of france . enon— from the safe country of france . onon non— from the safe country of france . okay, fair enough.- from the safe country of france . okay, fair enough. let's go to matthew stadlen . that's a good matthew stadlen. that's a good point make. matthew hi. point you make. matthew hi.

hello . hello, everyone. it's a hello. hello, everyone. it's a nod— hello. hello, everyone. it's a nod nono— hello. hello, everyone. it's a bad point that— hello. hello, everyone. it's a bad point that belinda makes. it's bad point that belinda makes. no o— bad point that belinda makes. no o noon— bad point that belinda makes. it's a nasty point— bad point that belinda makes. it's a nasty point as— bad point that belinda makes. it's a nasty point as well. - it's a nasty point as well. these people are asylum seekers . the reason that they haven't had cases decided is had their cases decided yet is because an incompetent because we've got an incompetent conservative government that hasn't got a grip on this . keeps hasn't got a grip on this. keeps talking a big game and keeps failing the waiting list to get your asylum claims seen through and processed is astonishingly extraordinary. long and processed is astonishingly extraordinary . long while these extraordinary. long while these peopte— extraordinary. long while these peopte one— 2 “edy long while these people are languishing on this nondnd— people are languishing on this nondnd neo.— people are languishing on this waiting list, why— people are languishing on this waiting list, why don't they nonn— waiting list, why don't they won 7 — waiting list, why don't they won 7 nnn— waiting list, why don't they work ? why don't- waiting list, why don't they work ? roddy 22“ e waiting list, why don't they- work ? why don't they contribute? work? why don't they contribute? why don't we allow them- work? why don't they contribute? why don't we allow them to- why don't we allow them to eonndnnoe— why don't we allow them to contribute to _ why don't we allow them to contribute to the— why don't we allow them to contribute to the economy, to pay— contribute to the economy, to pay eonne— contribute to the economy, to pay eon— contribute to the economy, to pay eon on— contribute to the economy, to pay some sort of dividend , to pay some sort of dividend, to pay— pay some sort of dividend, to pay nones— pay some sort of dividend, to pay oonee oo— pay some sort of dividend, to pay taxes to this— pay some sort of dividend, to pay taxes to this country , to pay taxes to this country, to nn— pay taxes to this country, to nu one — pay taxes to this country, to fill the million— pay taxes to this country, to fill the million jobs that there no — fill the million jobs that there no nnones— fill the million jobs that there is? there's a— fill the million jobs that there is? there's a huge- fill the million jobs that there is? e“ fill the million jobs that there is? there's a huge gap in our in our market because people don't want to do those jobs. so instead of the nastiness, instead of the nastiness, instead of the nastiness, instead of mocking people who are places like iran, are fleeing places like iran, places like iraq, places like syria , where there's a nasty syria, where there's a nasty dictator still rule. and don't forget dictator still rule. and don't nonoeo nod.— dictator still rule. and don't nonoeo nod. ne— 2 2 2 and don't forget iraq. we invaded , we forget iraq. we invaded, we dnnoded— forget iraq. we invaded, we invaded iraq,— forget iraq. we invaded, we invaded iraq, britain invaded .

invaded iraq, britain invaded. neo-e— invaded iraq, britain invaded. neo-e none— invaded iraq, britain invaded. neo-e none o— invaded iraq, britain invaded. let's have a bit— invaded iraq, britain invaded. let's have a bit of humanity for to o— let's have a bit of humanity for to o nne— let's have a bit of humanity for to a room. i've been backpacking oond— to a room. i've been backpacking oond one— to a room. i've been backpacking around the world. _ to a room. i've been backpacking around the world. i— to a room. i've been backpacking around the world. i spent, what, neoco— around the world. i spent, what, eeoo dn— around the world. i spent, what, eeoo dn nne— around the world. i spent, what, £800 in nine weeks in south nneneo— £800 in nine weeks in south america when— £800 in nine weeks in south america when i— £800 in nine weeks in south america when i was 19. that's onnd.— america when i was 19. that's ondno. nno— america when i was 19. that's one thing. but to— america when i was 19. that's one thing. but to be languishing for one thing. but to be languishing on fully— one thing. but to be languishing for fully fledged— one thing. but to be languishing for fully fledged adults four to a room month— for fully fledged adults four to a room month after month after monon— a room month after month after nonon de— a room month after month after month is disgusting . month is disgusting. interesting. - month is disgusting. interesting. so- month is disgusting. interesting. so you give them a job as well. so you're going to make it a bigger draw for people to come here as well to fill the gap. then sorry, gap. and then and then sorry, i listen to you. so you'd give gap. and then and then sorry, i listena) you. so you'd give gap. and then and then sorry, i listen a) yo to so you'd give gap. and then and then sorry, i listen a ) yo to so you'deven gap. and then and then sorry, i listen a) yo to so you'deven more them a job to make it even more people will think, oh , great, people will think, oh, great, i can get a job. and you think that four to a room is two too much and it's not right? listen i actually think that four room is decent, especially if is pretty decent, especially if people and people are paying for it. and i certainly people are paying for it. and i certjobs because what about the out jobs because what about the people coming here people who are coming here legally and who have gone through process and through the visa process and have had prove that they're, have had to prove that they're, you they the you know, they have the qualifications job. qualifications for the job. they're going for and they've had everything. and their had to do everything. and their cost, pay cost, they have to pay everything themselves. i mean, cost, they have to pay eveijustng themselves. i mean, cost, they have to pay eveijust nothemselves. i mean, cost, they have to pay eveijust not buying/es. i mean, cost, they have to pay eveijust not buying it.. i mean, cost, they have to pay eveijust not buying it. hodgei, i'm just not buying it. hodge up though, were shaking though, you were shaking your head are you head when he said that. are you okay to talk ? yeah. i mean, okay to talk? yeah. i mean, noon.—

okay to talk? yeah. i mean, noon-noo— okay to talk? yeah. i mean, look,-not going- okay to talk? yeah. i mean, look,-not going to. okay to talk? yeah. i mean,j look,-not going to let look, you're not going to let oneee— look, you're not going to let tnee-nonn- look, you're not going to let these-work, so- look, you're not going to let these work, so you're these people work, so you're going— these people work, so you're done no— these people work, so you're going to one— these people work, so you're going to give them £9 a week. oney-ne— going to give them £9 a week. they're going— going to give them £9 a week. they're going on— going to give them £9 a week. they're going to they're- going to give them £9 a week. they're going to they're going to working somewhere. if not to be working somewhere. if not at going to at car washes, they're going to be working hand be working cash in hand somewhere. if you can let them work, give them insurance numbers. way numbers. you can track the way they because, believe me, they are because, believe me, you try missing a tax return and you try missing a tax return and you see how hmrc tax track you down with 50 letters. right? right right. so instead of ependdnd— right right. so instead of ependdno 6— right right. so instead of spending 6 million- 32“ ” 2“ so instead of spending 6 million a 32“ ”2“. so instead of spending 6 million a day 32“. ”2“. so instead of spending 6 million a day on tnen.— spending 6 million a day on onen. nnn— spending 6 million a day on them, why don't— spending 6 million a day on them, why don't we let them work and them, why don't we let them work ond deo— them, why don't we let them work ond den onen— them, why don't we let them work ond den onen pav— them, why don't we let them work and let them pay tax? we nonddn-o— and let them pay tax? we wouldn't need— and let them pay tax? we wouldn't need we wouldn't need hotels. we nonddn-o— wouldn't need hotels. we wouldn't-to- wouldn't need hotels. we wouldn't to pay any wouldn't need hotels. we- wouldn't-to pay any money. wouldn't need hotels. we- woquhy-to pay any money. wouldn't need hotels. we woquhy don't to pay any money. wouldn't need hotels. we woquhy don't we)ay any money. wouldn't need hotels. we woquhy don't we)ay othatnoney. and why don't we use that 6 nnnon— and why don't we use that 6 nnnon oo— and why don't we use that 6 million to tell— and why don't we use that 6 million to tell the home office to nnoeeee— million to tell the home office to process these _ million to tell the home office to process these claims quicker 7 to process these claims quicker why— to process these claims quicker ennn doee— to process these claims quicker ?why doee n— to process these claims quicker ? why does it take— to process these claims quicker ? why does it take two years to nnoeeee— ? why does it take two years to process an asylum— ? why does it take two years to process an asylum claim? some of nose— process an asylum claim? some of dose onne— process an asylum claim? some of those guys sleeping— process an asylum claim? some of those guys sleeping on the need— those guys sleeping on the street today— those guys sleeping on the street today have been waiting neon— street today have been waiting neon-o— street today have been waiting one year a decision . that's one year for a decision. that's nne— one year for a decision. that's nne ne— one year for a decision. that's nne ne oonnd— one year for a decision. that's like me saying to— one year for a decision. that's like me saying to you, nana , you like me saying to you, nana, you nn— like me saying to you, nana, you no nonn— like me saying to you, nana, you can fit your a—levels, but non-ne— can fit your a—levels, but none noo— can fit your a—levels, but you're not going to get your neenne— you're not going to get your| eeone—non results for two years, so you eon-o— results for two years, so you condo-nnn— results for two years, so you eon-olnnd-dn- can't go uni. and in the neondne— can't go uni. and in the meantime you're left hanging noedeodn— meantime you're left hanging noedeodn .— meantime you're left hanging noedeodn . on— meantime you're left hanging basically . or you can pass meantime you're left hanging basically. or you can pass your dining— basically. or you can pass your dining neen— basically. or you can pass your driving test. you— basically. or you can pass your driving test. you can sit your dining— driving test. you can sit your driving neen— driving test. you can sit your driving test, but— driving test. you can sit your driving test, but you can't

enon. — driving test, but you can't start. you're— driving test, but you can't start. you're not going to get a needn— start. you're not going to get a neenn non— start. you're not going to get a result for two— start. you're not going to get a result for two - how- start. you're not going to get a result for two how are result for two years. how are you— result for two years. how are non—oo- result for two years. how are non—no nonn result for two years. how are. non—no won in you supposed to get to work in the you supposed to get to work in one—onen- the meantime? so let them work nnon— the meantime? so let them work onnd-ond— the meantime? so let them work until-and make- the meantime? so let them work until-and make the- until they're and make the pnoeeeednd— until they're and make the processing faster . that until they're and make the processing faster. that is not onen— processing faster. that is not onen nonn- — processing faster. that is not theirfault. no,— processing faster. that is not theirfault. no, it's processing faster. that is not their fault. no, it's not their nonn— their fault. no, it's not their food onon— their fault. no, it's not their fault that the _ their fault. no, it's not their fault that the home office can't do-nonodn-e— fault that the home office can't do nobody's saying do their job. nobody's saying onod — do their job. nobody's saying that. _office. - do their job. nobody's sayingi that. _office. well, that. the home office. well, that's servants. that. the home office. well, that's impressed servants. that. the home office. well, that's impressed with rvants. that. the home office. well, that's impressed withrvantsat that. the home office. well, that but impressed with rvants at that. the home office. well, that but listen, sed with rvants at that. the home office. well, thatbut listen, let's/ith rvants at that. the home office. well, thatbut listen, let's face lants at all. but listen, let's face it. look, if you do that , then it's look, if you do that, then it's more and as you said more of a draw. and as you said about me doing a—levels, well about me doing my a—levels, well , another country , i , if i was in another country, i would have to fill in an application, get a visa. application, try and get a visa. this could time. so i'm this could take time. so i'm doing way would doing it the legal way would take i'd have to wait take time and i'd have to wait for it. i'd probably it. for it. i'd probably pay for it. doing other i think doing it the other round i think is jess do is just a draw. jess do you think makes is just a draw. jess do you think point makes is just a draw. jess do you think point that makes is just a draw. jess do you think point that we makes is just a draw. jess do you think point that we shouldikes good point that we should actually giving them jobs? actually be giving them jobs? i'm very worried that it would be onoonen— i'm very worried that it would be another-factor. - i'm very worried that it would be another factor. i think be another pull factor. i think the be another pull factor. i think one neoon— be another pull factor. i think the reason why— be another pull factor. i think the reason why it's taking so nond— the reason why it's taking so one de— the reason why it's taking so long is because— the reason why it's taking so. long is because-many long is because there's so many oopdeodono— long is because there's so many applications,-so- long is because there's so many applications, so many applications, because so many peopte—nee.- applications, because so many people—heren nonl people are coming here, you nnon— people are coming here, you nnon-nn- people are coming here, you know,-i'm-the| know, in 2010, i'm sure the conservatives— know, in 2010, i'm sure the conservatives they wanted conservatives said they wanted dooooo— conservatives said they wanted dooooo legal— conservatives said they wanted 100,000 legal immigrants. now none-nonnd— 100,000 legal immigrants. now we're-having that- 100,000 legal immigrants. now we're having that with we're almost having that with medd— we're almost having that with neoon—ne- illegal immigrants. it's eonodeoen— illegal immigrants. it's completely insane. and this idea onon— completely insane. and this idea not .— completely insane. and this idea not . non— completely insane. and this idea not . you nnon— completely insane. and this idea that , you know, these are the that, you know, these are the noon—wno - that, you know, these are the most—who need. that, you know, these are thel most—who need our most vulnerable who need our neon.—

most vulnerable who need ouri hean—men- help, these are all young men. oney-ne— help, these are all young men. thev're noo— help, these are all young men. they're not the— help, these are all young men. they're not the most vulnerable. thev're — they're not the most vulnerable. they're non — they're not the most vulnerable. they're non-nnn- they're not the most vulnerable. they're you why they they're you know, why are they oonnd—deno- they're you know, why are they. coming—isn'tlwomen they're you know, why are they com children isn't women they're you know, why are they com children yout women they're you know, why are they com children you know, men they're you know, why are they com children you know, arei and children who, you know, are nnoned—oendnn - pitched on the pro asylum eeenn— pitched on the pro asylum seeker, pro—illegal immigrant eonpodonee— seeker, pro—illegal immigrant campaigns? you— seeker, pro—illegal immigrant campaigns? you know, it's always women and children, but in neoon.— women and children, but in neonon ne— women and children, but in reality, it's young men who are one— reality, it's young men who are one no— reality, it's young men who are one to non— reality, it's young men who are able to work. _ reality, it's young men who are able to work. “2ed reality, it's young men who are able to work . “2ed 4 reality, it's young men who are able to work . “2ed d42;.ed e“ able to work. belinda yeah, well , i mean i don't buy the whole we have to be nice to everyone who comes here on boats because it's humane . the most humane it's humane. the most humane onnd— it's humane. the most humane onnd oo— it's humane. the most humane onnd no do— it's humane. the most humane ondno no do dn— it's humane. the most humane thing to do in terms— it's humane. the most humane thing to do in terms of- . the most humane thing to do in terms of asylum is thing to do in terms of asylum do no— thing to do in terms of asylum do no do— thing to do in terms of asylum is to go straight— thing to do in terms of asylum is to go straight to the camps ond— is to go straight to the camps ond deo— is to go straight to the camps ond get one— is to go straight to the camps and get the most— is to go straight to the camps and get the most persecuted and at and get the most persecuted and on nen— and get the most persecuted and on non peopde— and get the most persecuted and at risk people and— and get the most persecuted and at risk people and give them enene.— at risk people and give them shelter. instead— at risk people and give them shelter. instead of redefining nnon— shelter. instead of redefining nnoo o— shelter. instead of redefining what a refugee— shelter. instead of redefining what a refugee is, just to mean ononen— what a refugee is, just to mean anonev eeeopdnd— what a refugee is, just to mean anyone escaping poverty, which eonodeoen— anyone escaping poverty, which completely erodes the trust between— completely erodes the trust between the _ completely erodes the trust between the british taxpayer and the between the british taxpayer and one oendnn — between the british taxpayer and the asylum seeker.— between the british taxpayer and the asylum seeker. and it doeen-o— the asylum seeker. and it doesn't help _ the asylum seeker. and it doesn't help genuine refugees at all. doesn't help genuine refugees at on. and— doesn't help genuine refugees at on. and in— doesn't help genuine refugees at on. and if .— doesn't help genuine refugees at all. and if i was— doesn't help genuine refugees at all. and if i was fleeing for my nne— all. and if i was fleeing for my nne .— all. and if i was fleeing for my nne . n— all. and if i was fleeing for my nne . n nonnd— all. and if i was fleeing for my life , i would be— all. and if i was fleeing for my life , i would be grateful for a life, i would be grateful for a noon— life, i would be grateful for a not nn— life, i would be grateful for a roof over my head and some food to roof over my head and some food no eon— roof over my head and some food no eon .— roof over my head and some food no eon . and— roof over my head and some food no eon . and one— roof over my head and some food to eat . and the point was very to eat. and the point was very nen— to eat. and the point was very nen nnode. — to eat. and the point was very well made. it's— to eat. and the point was very well made. it's an— to eat. and the point was very well made. it's an incredibly eeneo— well made. it's an incredibly aaa-.— well made. it's an incredibly sexist-. these- well made. it's an incredibly sexist . these young, sexist system. these young, neonnn— sexist system. these young, neonnn nen— sexist system. these young, healthy men who pay £5,000 to the healthy men who pay £5,000 to one nnnon— healthy men who pay £5,000 to the human traffickers to get

over here. there— the human traffickers to get over here. there are very few women and children. they're all ennen— women and children. they're all stock dn— women and children. they're all stuck in camps.— women and children. they're all stuck in camps. these men should be onooeennd— stuck in camps. these men should be protecting their— stuck in camps. these men should be protecting their women and enndnen— be protecting their women and children back— be protecting their women and children back at— be protecting their women and children back at home and we ononnd—on- should be concentrating on nedodnd— should be concentrating on helping refugees with helping genuine refugees with documents— helping genuine refugees with documents-we— helping genuine refugees with documents we know who they documents who we know who they are. documents who we know who they ne— documents who we know who they are. we even rejected asia bibi, the persecuted _ are. we even rejected asia bibi, the persecuted pakistani onneon.— the persecuted pakistani christian. we— the persecuted pakistani christian. we rejected her neoonee— christian. we rejected her because we _ christian. we rejected her because we didn't want to upset the because we didn't want to upset one nnondeoe— because we didn't want to upset the islamists in— because we didn't want to upset the islamists in this country. and— the islamists in this country. and neo— the islamists in this country. and yet ne— the islamists in this country. and yet we opened the doors to peopte— and yet we opened the doors to peopte-donn— and yet we opened the doors to people-don't-who. and yet we opened the doors to people don't who they people. we don't know who they one-donn— people. we don't know who they are.-don't know— people. we don't know who they are. don't know where they are. we don't know where they oeo-ne oo- are. we don't know where they come-have to have. come from. we have to have lviv policy—genuine. policy that helps the genuine nenndeee— policy that helps the genuine nennoeee ond— policy that helps the genuine refugees and respect british refugees and respect the british nonponen. — refugees and respect the british nonponen. nnone— refugees and respect the british taxpayer. that's main. matthew, i'm taxpayer. that's main. matthew, on going— taxpayer. that's main. matthew, i'm going to give you the last 20s literally 20s, because i've got to go to the matthew got to go to the news. matthew my got to go to the news. matthew my a cuddle my dogs come for a cuddle neoonoe— my dogs come for a cuddle because-doesn't- my dogs come for a cuddle because doesn't these because he doesn't like these en— because he doesn't like these dens-too— because he doesn't like these views-too quick- because he doesn't like these views too quick points. views either. too quick points. ene— views either. too quick points. ene-noon— views either. too quick points. one _vast majority- views either. too quick points. one vast majority or one is the vast majority or eenodnn— one is the vast majority or certainly the— one is the vast majority or certainly the majority of people one is the vast majority or certeseekthe majority of people one is the vast majority or certeseek asylum )rity of people one is the vast majority or certeseek asylum in y of people one is the vast majority or certeseek asylum in this people one is the vast majority or certeseek asylum in this way)le one is the vast majority or certeseek asylum in this way in who seek asylum in this way in nnnodn— who seek asylum in this way in non one— who seek asylum in this way in britain are given— who seek asylum in this way in britain are given asylum status. why— britain are given asylum status. why? neeonee— britain are given asylum status. roddy 7’ because they're genuine. why? because they're genuine. and— why? because they're genuine. and one— why? because they're genuine. and the second— �*dendde“«n7’ because they're genuine. and the second thing is go to onoonen— and the second thing is go to another european country and find— another european country and find-non— another european country and find-how many- another european country and find how many asylum seekers another european country and find take. v many asylum seekers another european country and find take. 42:2. ../ asylum seekers another european country and find take. 42:2. .. 7 “2 lum seekers another european country and find take. 42:2. .. 7 “2 .e“ned.seekers another european country and find take. 42:2. .. 7 “2 zrs they take. you'll find that they take a lot more than us in some cases. thank you for that, matt. nen— cases. thank you for that, matt. neon-noneoo— cases. thank you for that, matt. well,-honest-you,- cases. thank you for that, matt. well,|of.honest-you,- 2 thank you for that, matt. well, of these nest you,

2 thank you for that, matt. well, of these countriesyou, 2 thank you for that, matt. well, of these countries are some of these countries are a lot some of these countries are a non bigger-— some of these countries are a non bigger- so— some of these countries are a lot bigger. so let's see. so non— lot bigger. so let's see. so non one— lot bigger. so let's see. so from the .jess,- lot bigger. so let's see. so- from the .jess,.inhumane from the top, jess, is inhumane , from the top, jess, is inhumane n_of_ from the top, jess, is inhumane n_of-roomn- from the top, jess, is inhumane .—on-noon. neel , the sharing of the room, yes or , the sharing of the room, yes on-nnnnnone— , the sharing of the room, yes or-inhumane yes- , the sharing of the room, yes or inhumane yes or no. or no? inhumane yes or no? no. ne— or no? inhumane yes or no? no. no noo— or no? inhumane yes or no? no. it's not hardship.— or no? inhumane yes or no? no. it's not hardship. inhumane, yes or it's not hardship. inhumane, yes on no n — it's not hardship. inhumane, yes on no 7 they— it's not hardship. inhumane, yes or no ? they should.- it's not hardship. inhumane, yes or no ? “25 2 “22 it's not hardship. inhumane, yes or no ? “2g “2g or no? they should. they should have meet the safety standards . have meet the safety standards. they should meet the standard, inhumane. is it inhumane? then the inhumane. is it inhumane? then one nonn— inhumane. is it inhumane? then one on noonne— inhumane. is it inhumane? then the four rooms for— “e“. is it inhumane? then the four rooms for people “e“- is it inhumane? then the four rooms for people who nono— the four rooms for people who want rooms, asking them share want rooms, asking them to share for want rooms, asking them to share non-de— want rooms, asking them to share non-de-dnnnnone- want rooms, asking them to share for-is-inhumane. i for a month is not inhumane. asking— for a month is not inhumane. nonno onen— for a month is not inhumane. asking them to— for a month is not inhumane. asking them to _for- asking them to share for two years yes or no? if years is belinda yes or no? if you're escaping war and- “3.3 mg.2 |f you're escaping war and risk of deoone— you're escaping war and risk of deoone no. — you're escaping war and risk of death? no. you— you're escaping war and risk of death? no. you should be onnenon— death? no. you should be grateful. okay.- death? no. you should be grateful. okay. and finally, non.— grateful. okay. and finally, non. n— grateful. okay. and finally, matt, i know— grateful. okay. and finally, matt, i know your answer. \2n matt, i know your answer. no need— matt, i know your answer. no need do— matt, i know your answer. no need to answer— matt, i know your answer. no need to answer your- matt, i know your answer. no need to answer your .- matt, i know your answer. no need to answer your. of matt, i know your answer. no need to answer your . of course need to answer your. of course it is. all right. matt statler , it is. all right. matt statler, thank you very much. jess gill, thank you very much. jess gill, thank you very much. jess gill, thank you so much. hajib and also lucy , lovely to also belinda lucy, lovely to talk you for talk to you. thank you for your views those their views. views. so those are their views. what yours? gb views news what are yours? gb views gb news .com at gb news. i'm .com or tweet me at gb news. i'm nana this is gb news. nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital we'll continue digital radio. we'll continue with great british debate. with our great british debate. i'm do think migrants i'm asking do you think migrants sharing hotel rooms is humane? ulez the thoughts panel ulez the thoughts of my panel senior political commentator nigel nelson and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but let's to kelly. but first, let's go to bethany elsey your latest

bethany elsey with your latest news headlines . bethany elsey with your latest news headlines. nana. thank you . here's the latest— news headlines. nana. thank you . here's the latest from - 2 \ned“ed thank you . here's the latest from the gb newsroom at 5:30— . here's the latest from the gb newsroom at 5:30 in the last nonn— newsroom at 5:30 in the last nonn. nonsen— newsroom at 5:30 in the last hour, dorset police have named the hour, dorset police have named one on— hour, dorset police have named one on neon— hour, dorset police have named one on neon odd— hour, dorset police have named the 17 year old boy— hour, dorset police have named the 17 year old boy who died onen— the 17 year old boy who died onen getting— the 17 year old boy who died after getting into difficulty in the after getting into difficulty in one node— after getting into difficulty in the water off— after getting into difficulty in the water off bournemouth beach on nedneodon — the water off bournemouth beach on wednesday. joe— the water off bournemouth beach on wednesday. ' on wednesday. joe abbas from southampton died after being pulled from the sea in a statement, his family said they were heartbroken and devastated , describing him as a fabulous young man, a 12 year old girl named in reports as sunak khan from high wycombe in buckinghamshire also died in the incident, which involved ten swimmers. a sightseeing boat named the dorset belle has been impounded by police . a man has impounded by police. a man has been charged after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa cup final , which wearing a shirt to the fa cup final, which appeared to have an offensive reference to the hillsborough disaster. 33 year old james white from warwickshire has been charged with displaying, threatening or

abusive writing. he is expected to appear at willesden magistrates court next week. 97 liverpool fans died in 1989 at hillsborough stadium in sheffield . the immigration sheffield. the immigration minister has told gb news it's wrong for migrants to demand better hotel accommodation while waiting for their asylum claims to be processed . but it's after to be processed. but it's after a protest was sparked in london by migrants being asked to sleep four to a room. speaking to camilla tominey, robert jenrick said sharing hotel rooms is necessary to get value for taxpayers . money indian taxpayers. money indian authorities say a signal problem was likely responsible for the country's worst train crash in decades. that's as the number of people who've been killed in the accident has been revised down to 275. another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary freight train before derailing and striking a second passenger train . and you

second passenger train. and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news .com. now it's back to nana. thank you, bethany . well, it's thank you, bethany. well, it's on the way here— thank you, bethany. well, it's on the way here on— thank you, bethany. well, it's on the way here on gb- “e“oe”. “go well, it's on the way here on gb news. we-u— on the way here on gb news. we-u be— on the way here on gb news. we'll be discussing holly wmoughby— we'll be discussing holly willoughby should she return to the ccch— willoughby should she return to the ccch cc— willoughby should she return to the coach, as avon— willoughby should she return to the coach, as avon would say .7 do the coach, as avon would say.7 do you— the coach, as avon would say.7 do you chhh— the coach, as avon would say.7 do you chhh coc— the coach, as avon would say.7 do you think so.7 she's— the coach, as avon would say.7 do you think so.7 she's going the coach, as avon would say? do you think so? she's going to be choco— you think so? she's going to be there tomorrow— you think so? she's going to be there tomorrow for— you think so? she's going to be there tomorrow for this morning. but there tomorrow for this morning. huh-cho— there tomorrow for this morning. huh-she really- there tomorrow for this morning. but-she really just- there tomorrow for this morning. but she really just hold but should she really just hold on? hcchohc— but should she really just hold on? perhaps it— but should she really just hold on? perhaps it would be better then— on? perhaps it would be better then-the— on? perhaps it would be better chchlchc wav— on? perhaps it would be better then-the way for— on? perhaps it would be better then the way for the great then on the way for the great british— then on the way for the great hhhch—h-hl british debate this hour, i'm aching,— british debate this hour, i'm asking,-think- british debate this hour, i'm asking, think that asking, do you think that hhghhc— asking, do you think that- migrant—room migrant sharing a hotel room is hhuhohcc—

so anyway, headline is every me. so anyway, headline is every high— me. so anyway, headline is every night hom— me. so anyway, headline is every hhghc from h— me. so anyway, headline is every night from 11 on— me. so anyway, headline is every night from 11 on gb— so anyway, headline is every night from 11 on gb news hhcoh-c— night from 11 on gb news britain's news— night from 11 on gb news britain's news . night from 11 on gb news britain's news. channel night from 11 on gb news britain's news . channel c britain's news. channel so it's coming— britain's news. channel so it's cohhg up— britain's news. channel so it's cohhg up co— britain's news. channel so it's cohhg up to h— britain's news. channel so it's coming up to 41 minutes after 5:00. if you've just joined me , 5:00. if you've just joined me, welcome on board. we've only got 20 minutes left, but there is still so much more here on gb news. nana akua. we're live news. i'm nana akua. we're live on online and on digital on tv online and on digital radio. now time, though, radio. it's now time, though, for our great british debate. this and i'm asking, do you think sharing hotel think migrants sharing hotel rooms inhumane? and now rooms is inhumane? and now a hotel in pimlico has caved in to the demands over the unsafeness of a four to a room policy. the demands over the unsafeness of a four to a room policy . the of a four to a room policy. the staff have announced now only a maximum migrants will maximum of two migrants will share. now the comfort inn in pimlico, of pimlico, which is one of the most expensive of london, most expensive parts of london, just know, was the just so you know, was at the centre news week, as centre of the news this week, as around 20 asylum seekers camped outside to protest the poor

conditions . but aren't these conditions. but aren't these people lucky that we're providing sanctuary for them all at the expense of the taxpayer ? at the expense of the taxpayer? i'm astounded that it would be in pimlico . i thought they may in pimlico. i thought they may have picked somewhere was have picked somewhere that was slightly effective, have picked somewhere that was slig ifly effective, have picked somewhere that was slig if you effective, have picked somewhere that was slig if you went effective, have picked somewhere that was slig if you went to effective, have picked somewhere that was slig if you went to rent:tive, have picked somewhere that was slig if you went to rent ave, have picked somewhere that was slig if you went to rent a room but if you went to rent a room in pimlico, you'd be paying at least £100 a night. if it's a hotel room. the great hotel room. so for the great british out and british debate this out and that's generous that's a genuine, generous estimate. i'm asking, do you think migrants sharing rooms are humane? let's see what my panel make of that. broadcaster journalist danny kelly and also senior political commentator nigel nelson . i don't know who nigel nelson. i don't know who to go with first. i'll go with danny. is it inhumane for people in the room ? i think for a long in the room? i think for a long period— in the room? i think for a long period of— in the room? i think for a long period of time— in the room? i think for a long period of time ,— in the room? i think for a long period of time , i— “ , i think for a long period of time , i wouldn't period of time, i wouldn't like to period of time, i wouldn't like co-hohcy— period of time, i wouldn't like co-hohcy h— period of time, i wouldn't like co-hohcy h o- period of time, i wouldn't like to money in a very small to spend money in a very small whh— to spend money in a very small room with three— to spend money in a very small room with three other fellas who are room with three other fellas who who— room with three other fellas who are who are passing wind and chohhg— are who are passing wind and chohhg oh— are who are passing wind and snoring all night. and think snoring all night. and i think choc— snoring all night. and i think that—alignment. snoring all night. and i think that alignment of that there is an alignment of inhumanity.— that there is an alignment of inhumanity. you— that there is an alignment of inhumanity. you know, the definition— inhumanity. you know, the definition of— inhumanity. you know, the definition of inhumane is hochhg— definition of inhumane is lacking compassion. so are we hochhg— lacking compassion. so are we lacking compassion, putting four hoc— lacking compassion, putting four hooc h— lacking compassion, putting four hooc h cho— lacking compassion, putting four lads in the same— lacking compassion, putting four lads in the same room? well, we're not because— lads in the same room? well, we're not because we have

which— we're not because we have hhhco coco-o— we're not because we have limited space. there's not an hhhhh— limited space. there's not an infinite, infinite— limited space. there's not an infinite, infinite amount of hocch— infinite, infinite amount of hotel rooms. _ infinite, infinite amount of hotel rooms. there's a finite amount— hotel rooms. there's a finite ochouhc .— hotel rooms. there's a finite ochouhc . so— hotel rooms. there's a finite amount . so is— hotel rooms. there's a finite amount. so is that inhumane? won,— amount. so is that inhumane? wchh h— amount. so is that inhumane? wchh h chhh— amount. so is that inhumane? well, i think need think amount. so is that inhumane? we need 1ink need think amount. so is that inhumane? we need to k need think amount. so is that inhumane? we need to acceptaed think amount. so is that inhumane? we need to accept that think amount. so is that inhumane? we need to accept that we think amount. so is that inhumane? we need to accept that we can< we need to accept that we can ohh— we need to accept that we can ohh-wc— we need to accept that we can ohh-wc ch— we need to accept that we can ohh-wc oo- we need to accept that we can only we can do with the only do what we can do with the resources _and- only do what we can do with the resources-and so- only do what we can do with the resources-and so if- resources we have. and so if choc— resources we have. and so if that means— resources we have. and so if that means that— resources we have. and so if that means that for strangers, for moh— that means that for strangers, for men are sharing in a small ,chch— for men are sharing in a small room , then unfortunately that's room, then unfortunately that's choc-c— room, then unfortunately that's choc-c choc-c— room, then unfortunately that's that's that's that's the way h-c— that's that's that's the way h-c ooh— that's that's that's the way h-c ooh co — that's that's that's the way h-c ooh ho ho. — that's that's that's the way it's got to be. i— that's that's that's the way it's got to be. i think what's unhelpful— it's got to be. i think what's unhelpful h— it's got to be. i think what's unhelpful is the— it's got to be. i think what's unhelpful is the complete intransigence_ unhelpful is the complete intransigence and the polarisation- intransigence and the. polarisation - lack intransigence and the- polarisation - lack of polarisation and the lack of ohicchvhy— polarisation and the lack of objectivity-with - polarisation and the lack of objectivity with some of objectivity with with some of your— objectivity with with some of your panellists— objectivity with with some of your panellists there. nana i chhh— your panellists there. nana i chhh wo— your panellists there. nana i think we need— your panellists there. nana i think we need to— your panellists there. nana i think we need to accept that a lot think we need to accept that a hot oh— think we need to accept that a oh oh oeone— think we need to accept that a lot of people know to say lot of people know what to say when— lot of people know what to say whch-hchg— lot of people know what to say when being interviewed when they're being interviewed and when they're being interviewed coho-whether— when they're being interviewed and whether they're and to see whether they're really— and to see whether they're really persecution. really fleeing persecution. hcohhc— really fleeing persecution. people-trained- really fleeing persecution. people trained they're people are trained and they're coached.— people are trained and they're coochco. h— people are trained and they're coached. i remember having a car wash— coached. i remember having a car wash h— coached. i remember having a car wash in birmingham i was wash in birmingham and i was cohhhg— wash in birmingham and i was cohhhg co— wash in birmingham and i was hohhhg co-guy— wash in birmingham and i was talking to guy who was an talking to the guy who was an iraqi— talking to the guy who was an hooh-who— talking to the guy who was an iraqi-who fled— talking to the guy who was an iraqi who fled iraq with the iraqi lad who fled iraq with the ccoho— iraqi lad who fled iraq with the second invasion,— iraqi lad who fled iraq with the second invasion, assumed second invasion, and i assumed i coho,— second invasion, and i assumed i coho, so— second invasion, and i assumed i coho, so you— second invasion, and i assumed i coho, so you much— second invasion, and i assumed i said, so you must be you must be a said, so you must be you must be u shh,— said, so you must be you must be a shia,-saddam - said, so you must be you must be a shia, saddam hussein a shia, because saddam hussein pcccccuhhg— a shia, because saddam hussein was persecuting the shias. he goes,— was persecuting the shias. he gocc holo— was persecuting the shias. he goes, no,-a sunni.- was persecuting the shias. he goes, no, a sunni. so what was persecuting the shias. he go

get british citizenship. and we hood—when h- get british citizenship. and we. need _when i really need to accept. so when i really admire— need to accept. so when i really ohmic-huh— need to accept. so when i really ohmic-huh .- need to accept. so when i really admire-but i think- need to accept. so when i really admire but i think it admire matthew, but i think it wouhu— admire matthew, but i think it uouhu ho— admire matthew, but i think it would be helpful if he would accou— would be helpful if he would accept h— would be helpful if he would accept it, that— would be helpful if he would accept it, that they're all accept it, that they're not all choco— accept it, that they're not all there ocyhuh — accept it, that they're not all there asylum seekers. they have choc— there asylum seekers. they have choc-,— there asylum seekers. they have choc-, huh— there asylum seekers. they have choc-, huh chcy— there asylum seekers. they have that-, but they do- that status, but they do uhucuouy— that status, but they do unusually so.- that status, but they do unusually so. usually some of them — unusually so. usually some of them do— unusually so. usually some of them do indeed— unusually so. usually some of them do indeed play the system. and .— them do indeed play the system. and h chhh— them do indeed play the system. and i think people— them do indeed play the system. and i think people on the other chuc— and i think people on the other side of— and i think people on the other side of cho— and i think people on the other side of the argument should be choc—choc- more compassionate to that situation— more compassionate to that situation-.— more compassionate to that situation . there's a situation as well. there's a hock— situation as well. there's a lack . objectivity. - situation as well. there's a lack objectivity. it's lack of objectivity. it's pohohchg— lack of objectivity. it's pohohchg ,— lack of objectivity. it's polarising , it's unhelpful. polarising, it's unhelpful. nigel— polarising, it's unhelpful. uhgchvcoh.— polarising, it's unhelpful. nigel yeah,lthink- polarising, it's unhelpful. nigel yeah,lthink i- polarising, it's unhelpful. nigel yeah, think i think nigel yeah, i think i think i agree with you on that. it certainly whole agree with you on that. it- certainly-whole debate certainly is. the whole debate hoc— certainly is. the whole debate has-polarised- certainly is. the whole debate has-polarised .- certainly is. the whole debate has polarised . and certainly is. the whole debate has-polarised . and the has become polarised. and on the specific— has become polarised. and on the specific-choco— has become polarised. and on the specific-there, no,- has become polarised. and on the specific there, no, it's specific issue there, no, it's hoc— specific issue there, no, it's not inhumane _ specific issue there, no, it's not inhumane to- specific issue there, no, it's not inhumane to ask people to chuc— not inhumane to ask people to choc o— not inhumane to ask people to share a room. yes— not inhumane to ask people to share a room. yes it is to share a share a room. yes it is to share o chau— share a room. yes it is to share o choh cho— share a room. yes it is to share a small two metre— share a room. yes it is to share a small two metre room with just to huhh— a small two metre room with just to huhh huhh— a small two metre room with just to bunk. bunk beds— a small two metre room with just to bunk. bunk beds in it and put our— to bunk. bunk beds in it and put hour pcoohc— to bunk. bunk beds in it and put hour pcophc h— to bunk. bunk beds in it and put four people in there. that cchohhy— four people in there. that cchohhy h— four people in there. that certainly is wrong. and the answer to the— certainly is wrong. and the answer to the whole thing is to occuouy— answer to the whole thing is to occuohy-chc — answer to the whole thing is to actually the asylum backlog, actually get the asylum backlog, the actually get the asylum backlog, hhc hoooo— actually get the asylum backlog, the 175,000 people in the backlog— the 175,000 people in the backlog clear— the 175,000 people in the backlog clear .— the 175,000 people in the backlog clear . and that way we backlog clear. and that way we occuohy— backlog clear. and that way we can actually move— backlog clear. and that way we can actually move forward. but what-s— can actually move forward. but uhoc-s coking— can actually move forward. but what's taking them so long? i mean, they are being paid in the home office pretty decent wages, a lot of them not coming into the office to do the job. i'm not quite sure why they are. why

is it like that? know, why is it like that? you know, why is it like that? you know, why is so faceless that no one is it so faceless that no one will forward explain will come forward and explain why they're taking long? why they're taking so long? because enough because they've got enough people? what people? well, what is but what is involved in processing then surely they can change the process. that's what you do if something working. that's something isn't working. that's not winded not working. the long winded process of processing isn't working . it's not because working well. it's not because ooh— working well. it's not because ooh chic— working well. it's not because we've got this huge- “g it's not because we've got this huge backlog , but we've got this huge backlog, but the we've got this huge backlog, but tho—ohouc- we've got this huge backlog, but the about processing the whole point about processing is the whole point about processing h-goc— the whole point about processing h-gocloccuohy- the whole point about processing is_got-actually find- is you've got to actually find ouc— is you've got to actually find out whether— is you've got to actually find out whether you're dealing with a out whether you're dealing with o genuine— out whether you're dealing with a genuine asylum— out whether you're dealing with a genuine asylum seeker or the people— a genuine asylum seeker or the peopte—cocking- a genuine asylum seeker or the people talking about people that you're talking about who— people that you're talking about who highc— people that you're talking about who might system. so who might play the system. so choc— who might play the system. so that they— who might play the system. so that they would _ who might play the system. so that they would be economic hhghhcc. — that they would be economic hhghhcc. so— that they would be economic migrants. so if— that they would be economic migrants. so if it's somebody who-c— migrants. so if it's somebody uho-c-ocyhuh- migrants. so if it's somebody. who's-asylum seeker who's a genuine asylum seeker uhh— who's a genuine asylum seeker uhh o— who's a genuine asylum seeker uhh o genuine— who's a genuine asylum seeker with a genuine claim , then they with a genuine claim, then they chouhu— with a genuine claim, then they chouhu ho— with a genuine claim, then they should be allowed— with a genuine claim, then they should be allowed to stay . the should be allowed to stay. the hcohhch — should be allowed to stay. the problem obviously is trying to work— problem obviously is trying to work ouc— problem obviously is trying to work out with— problem obviously is trying to work out with people who have no pooch— work out with people who have no papers hccoucc— work out with people who have no papers because they've fled war or or persecution _ papers because they've fled war or or persecution or whatever at the hou— or or persecution or whatever at the last minute.— or or persecution or whatever at the last minute. they haven't got— the last minute. they haven't ooh poccpohc— the last minute. they haven't got passports with them. so it choco— got passports with them. so it does coho— got passports with them. so it does take o— got passports with them. so it does take a bit— got passports with them. so it does take a bit of— got passports with them. so it does take a bit of time to be ohhc— does take a bit of time to be ohhc co— does take a bit of time to be able to work— does take a bit of time to be able to work it— does take a bit of time to be able to work it out. but the oeone— able to work it out. but the more people doing that job, the quicker— more people doing that job, the ouhchcc wo— more people doing that job, the quicker we can— more people doing that job, the quicker we can get rid of the hochog— quicker we can get rid of the hochog . — quicker we can get rid of the hochog . huh— quicker we can get rid of the backlog . but most- quicker we can get rid of the backlog . gig backlog. but most people get

through, might as well through, so they might as well just amnesty just do some sort of amnesty to hurry it, because hurry up with it, because literally hurry up with it, because liththem going to get asylum of them are going to get asylum . well , i don't want to of them are going to get asylum . well, i don't want to i . so well, i don't want to i don't think that's a good thing. it depends where they come from. about— it depends where they come from. about-actually— it depends where they come from. about actually actually about who actually actually will get about who actually actually will och—moon, - about who actually actually will och—moon, oh- about who actually actually will get—mean, on that. get that. but, i mean, on that hush,— get that. but, i mean, on that hochc wou— get that. but, i mean, on that basis, we'd have— get that. but, i mean, on that basis, we'd have all basis, we'd have taken all the hhhohhhc— basis, we'd have taken all the albanians-came- basis, we'd have taken all the albanians came in last year albanians who came in last year or albanians who came in last year or- _ albanians who came in last year oc- hue-oc— albanians who came in last year oc- we've-goti or albanian. we've already got to with that. but i've to deal with that. but i've never heard _ to deal with that. but i've never heard a— : but i've never heard a compelling and cohvhchg— never heard a compelling and convincing argument to refute the cocc— convincing argument to refute the fact that, _ convincing argument to refute the fact that, generally cpcohhg — the fact that, generally cpcohhg ,— the fact that, generally speaking , these are young men speaking, these are young men onu— speaking, these are young men and choc— speaking, these are young men and that they're— speaking, these are young men and that they're fleeing persecution _ and that they're fleeing persecution without their homhy— persecution without their family, without their sisters , family, without their sisters, uhhouc— family, without their sisters, without their— family, without their sisters, without their mums and their choc. — without their mums and their choc. -ochh- without their mums and their dads. _aren't they. dads. and why aren't they hoohhg— dads. and why aren't they looking-those- dads. and why aren't they looking those parents? and looking after those parents? and i've looking after those parents? and ho ho— looking after those parents? and no hot hoora— looking after those parents? and i've not heard a— looking after those parents? and i've not heard a compelling argument— i've not heard a compelling argument that's— i've not heard a compelling argument that's made me think, you,— argument that's made me think, you, do— argument that's made me think, you, do you— argument that's made me think, well, do you know— argument that's made me think, well, do you know what? now i understand— well, do you know what? now ii understand—dinghy understand why there's a dinghy uhh— understand why there's a dinghy uhh oo— understand why there's a dinghy uhh coo-hoc— understand why there's a dinghy with 60-lads.it- understand why there's a dinghy with 60 lads it who've with 60 young lads on it who've ouo— with 60 young lads on it who've huh-zo— with 60 young lads on it who've huh-zo-oh- with 60 young lads on it who've| huh-zo-oh-uh paid about 20, some of them up tolgrand_ paid about 20, some of them up tolgrand-here-- paid about 20, some of them up to.grand-here. it's- to 20 grand to get here. it's cho— to 20 grand to get here. it's the economic— to 20 grand to get here. it's the economic migrants. and i chhh— the economic migrants. and i hhhhlhcohhc— the economic migrants. and i think people would accept think if people would accept choc— think if people would accept that onu— think if people would accept that and there— think if people would accept that and there la - think if people would accept that and there a lot of that and there is a lot of hoodwinking_ that and there is a lot of hoodwinking the system, then hoodwinking to the system, then maybe— hoodwinking to the system, then hoyhc-hc — hoodwinking to the system, then maybe-belcommon- maybe there'd be a common ground and maybe there'd be a common ground coho—coutu- maybe there'd be a common ground ohuihocc—couhu- maybe there'd be a common ground and more common could maybe there'd be a common ground and more common ground uld maybe there'd be a common ground and more common ground with find more common ground with peopte—hocouccl find more common ground with. people—because the people like matthew because the ohty— people like matthew because the ohty-h— people like matthew because the ohhy-h ooh-c— people like matthew because the only-i don't like- people like matthew because the only i don't like the only thing is i don't like the cocc— only thing is i don't like the. fact—uho-vc fact that those people who've . —gchhhhg

come for our dinghy are getting this chu— come for our dinghy are getting this kind treatment. this kind of treatment. i think uhhhoccty— this kind of treatment. i think uhhhoccty h— this kind of treatment. i think ultimately if you come by dinghy, need that dinghy, they need to stop that particular to particular channel of coming to this country in way because this country in that way because it's dangerous and a lot of people profiteering. so you people are profiteering. so you know, improve the know, if they could improve the safe and legal routes, although we i mean, listen, they literally it literally need to apply for it to student. you can get to be a student. and you can get in, fair , because we've in, to be fair, because we've let so many people all let so many people in from all over anyway. over the world anyway. but i would that they just to would say that they just need to improve would say that they just need to impthere are would say that they just need to imp there are safe would say that they just need to impthere are safe and legal but there are no safe and legal routes unless you're a ukrainian, kong or an ukrainian, a hong kong or an afghan. and so if you come from somewhere like— afghan. and so if you come from somewhere like syria— afghan. and so if you come from somewhere like syria ,- g“e“ and so if you come from somewhere like syria , from iraq, somewhere like syria, from iraq, you hovchh— somewhere like syria, from iraq, you hoychh got— somewhere like syria, from iraq, you haven't got a— somewhere like syria, from iraq, you haven't got a got a safe and legal— you haven't got a got a safe and tcgoh route— you haven't got a got a safe and legal route to— you haven't got a got a safe and legal route to get— you haven't got a got a safe and legal route to get here. you're ohcotuccty— absolutely right. that's the answer . and— absolutely right. that's the answer. and what need absolutely right. that's the- answer. and-what-needto answer. and so what you need to do answer. and so what you need to to h— answer. and so what you need to to to choke— answer. and so what you need to do is make sure— answer. and so what you need to do is make sure they don't have to ctohh — do is make sure they don't have to claim asylum _ do is make sure they don't have to claim asylum on— do is make sure they don't have to claim asylum on british on tho— to claim asylum on british on tho hutch— to claim asylum on british on the british shoreline . xecccy the british shoreline. exactly. what— the british shoreline. exactly. what he— the british shoreline. exactly. what are these, the embassies or something in those countries? i'm getting why don't i'm not getting why they don't do do that or do that. they could do that or you— do that. they could do that or you-cohcchhg- do that. they could do that or you-something like. you could do something like the syhoh—chocl you could do something like thel syhoh—choc uc syrian resettlement plan that we did i successfully. _ syrian resettlement plan that we did successfully. that was did so successfully. that was done— did so successfully. that was tone from — did so successfully. that was done from refugee camps and done from the refugee camps and they— done from the refugee camps and they hou— done from the refugee camps and they hot to— done from the refugee camps and they had to come— done from the refugee camps and they had to come from there. ouch— they had to come from there. ouch hot-c— they had to come from there. well let's-what-got well let's see what they've got to well let's see what they've got co—chou- well let's see what they've got co—chou hcl to say, because the show is hochhg— to say, because the show is hochhg-you- to say, because the show is nothing-you and. to say, because the show is nothing you and your nothing without you and your

views. let's welcome some of our great british voices, their opportunity be the opportunity to be on the show and they think and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing. got of discussing. i've got four of you right. to david in right. let's go to david in watford. what do you watford. david, what do you think ? we inhumane ? think? are we being inhumane? helen nana to a degree, no. but i helen nana to a degree, no. but think— helen nana to a degree, no. but think what— helen nana to a degree, no. but i think what we— helen nana to a degree, no. but i think what we have— helen nana to a degree, no. but i think what we have to suddenly start accepting that two thirds of those claiming to be a refugee asylum are choosing to spend thousands of pounds. listen to gang masters who them into the uk, promising them a land of milk and honey. into the uk, promising them a land of milk and honey . and land of milk and honey. and quite rightly, when they get here and they shoved into a hotel for to a room, that's not what they've been sold. that's not the and they're quite rightly angry about it. we have to stop accepting— rightly angry about it. we have to stop accepting people- g e“g c we have to stop accepting people have ”guy e“g c we have to stop accepting people have to understand— to stop accepting people have to understand these _ to stop accepting people have to understand these are not refugees.— understand these are not refugees. now,- understand these are not refugees. now, my mother's hohhy— refugees. now, my mother's hohhy coho— refugees. now, my mother's family came from germany in hoo- — family came from germany in cos. they— family came from germany in 1933. they four— family came from germany in 1933. they four because of persecution— 1933. they four because of persecution ?_ 1933. they four because of persecution ? an yeah, yeah, persecution? an yeah, yeah, choc-c— persecution? an yeah, yeah, choc-c o— persecution? an yeah, yeah, choc-c o htg— persecution? an yeah, yeah, that's a big difference between pcccccuhoh— that's a big difference between persecution and _ that's a big difference between persecution and economic choice . vcc. — persecution and economic choice . vcc. ouch.— persecution and economic choice . yes. well, okay,—

persecution and economic choice . yes. well, okay, thank- persecution and economic choice .yes. . yes. well, okay, thank you for that. let's go to miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson , but miranda richardson, but miranda richardson. in richardson. she's there in northamptonshire . miranda, what northamptonshire. miranda, what do are we being you do you think? are we being you know, , i quite agree with know, again, i quite agree with what danny said. you know, in order what danny said. you know, in other to— what danny said. you know, in other to ho— what danny said. you know, in order to be inhumane,- je““«c 2 you know, in order to be inhumane, you've je�*w�*q 2 you know, in order to be inhumane, you've got to order to be inhumane, you've got co-cohhocchoh.— order to be inhumane, you've got to-compassion.-that- to lack compassion. and that hchh— to lack compassion. and that isn't something— to lack compassion. and that isn't something we do. and cchohhy— isn't something we do. and cchohhy oc— isn't something we do. and certainly as nation, don't certainly as a nation, we don't hock— certainly as a nation, we don't lack compassion— certainly as a nation, we don't lack compassion .— certainly as a nation, we don't lack compassion . and i think it lack compassion. and i think it . whore— lack compassion. and i think it . where to— lack compassion. and i think it . where to you— lack compassion. and i think it . where do you start ? do you . where do you start? do you chuc— . where do you start? do you out with— . where do you start? do you start with the— . where do you start? do you start with the with the gang torch— start with the with the gang torch choc— start with the with the gang lords that are _ start with the with the gang lords that are charging these peopte— lords that are charging these pcoptc co— lords that are charging these pcoptc to occ— lords that are charging these people to get here? do we start with— people to get here? do we start with tho— people to get here? do we start with the home— people to get here? do we start with the home office and how ouch— with the home office and how ouhch they-cc— with the home office and how quick they're able to process choco— quick they're able to process these applications , as these asylum applications, as you— these asylum applications, as you know?— these asylum applications, as you know? do— these asylum applications, as you know? do we— these asylum applications, as you know? do we look at the fact choc— you know? do we look at the fact that h— you know? do we look at the fact that if you— you know? do we look at the fact that if you watch _ you know? do we look at the fact that if you watch the interview onu— that if you watch the interview and .— that if you watch the interview and h cou— that if you watch the interview and h h— that if you watch the interview and i saw it yesterday with the young— and i saw it yesterday with thei young—hhhhco young man outside the pimlico hotet— young man outside the pimlico hocch ,— young man outside the pimlico hocch , choc— young man outside the pimlico hotel , that they'd actually been hotel, that they'd actually been ohcouy— hotel, that they'd actually been ohcouy-hoh — hotel, that they'd actually been already _from a - hotel, that they'd actually been already from a larger already moved from a larger hotet— already moved from a larger hocch uhh— already moved from a larger hotel with better facilities somewhere else into central london.— somewhere else into central london. how,— somewhere else into central london. now, central london is busy— london. now, central london is hucy chough— london. now, central london is hucy chough oc— london. now, central london is busy enough at the best of thou— busy enough at the best of times. so— busy enough at the best of times. so actually, you know , times. so actually, you know, who— times. so actually, you know, what oc— times. so actually, you know, what wo— times. so actually, you know, what are we doing? you know , what are we doing? you know, we're flooding— what are we doing? you know, we're flooding areas that can't even cope with— we're flooding areas that can't even cope with the people that arelthem — even cope with the people that are .them existing _ even cope with the people that are them existing and living. are in them existing and living. let are in them existing and living. hot ohohc— are in them existing and living. hot utohc hyhg— are in them existing and living. let alone trying to house more

peopte— let alone trying to house more pcoptc h— let alone trying to house more pcoptc h outcr— let alone trying to house more people in order to— let alone trying to house more people in order to give them somewhere while trying to remain compact— somewhere while trying to remain compact ,— somewhere while trying to remain compact , ttt— somewhere while trying to remain compact , ttt to— somewhere while trying to remain compact , fit to their needs . compact, fit to their needs. tto— compact, fit to their needs. to ttte— compact, fit to their needs. to the a— compact, fit to their needs. it's like a hamster wheel. it is a ttt— it's like a hamster wheel. it is a pp, tch-t— it's like a hamster wheel. it is a pp, tch-t tt— it's like a hamster wheel. it is a bit, isn't it, a— it's like a hamster wheel. it is a bit, isn't it, a hamster uhcctt — a bit, isn't it, a hamster wheel? what- a bit, isn't it, a hamster wheel? what do- a bit, isn't it, a hamster wheel? t::::t a bit, isn't it, a hamster- wheel? what do you think brian do? is it like a hamster wheel ? do? is it like a hamster wheel? you're there in solihull ? yeah. you're there in solihull? yeah. i mean, nana. i think i agree wtth— i mean, nana. i think i agree wtth a— i mean, nana. i think i agree wtth a tot— i mean, nana. i think i agree wtth a tot ot— i mean, nana. i think i agree with a lot of what— \tee i think i agree with a lot of what miranda said aha— with a lot of what miranda said and what— with a lot of what miranda said and what what— with a lot of what miranda said and what what danny said earlier , aha— and what what danny said earlier , and theta— and what what danny said earlier , and theta tc— and what what danny said earlier , and there to a— and what what danny said earlier , and there is a real— , and there is a real polarisation- , and there is a real polarisation as danny said, to tho— polarisation as danny said, to the argument— polarisation as danny said, to the argument that it's not so much— the argument that it's not so much that,— the argument that it's not so much that, is— the argument that it's not so much that, is it— the argument that it's not so much that, is it is it humane, is much that, is it is it humane, tc tt— much that, is it is it humane, is it inhumane— much that, is it is it humane, is it inhumane ? _ much that, is it is it humane, is it inhumane ? c c is it inhumane? it listen, even the hotel itself has accepted that it was wrong because they've now shifted from for sharing the room to and look, as you said, as well. and this is catty— you said, as well. and this is really important— you said, as well. and this is really important . - t: and this is really important . “ti;”ti; really important. there's a tacttog— really important. there's a backlog and that needs to be addressed. and we've got to find addressed. and we've got to find a solution to that. that is the problem. that's the nub of the problem. nana true. and problem. nana yeah, true. and ccttahty—occi certainly you've got about 30s he certainly you've got about 30s hc—ttmc- certainly you've got about 30s hc—ttmc .- certainly you've got about 30s. he_time . quickly he ate up all your time. quickly go he ate up all your time. quickly 90-- _ he ate up all your time. quickly 9°-- coau— he ate up all your time. quickly go-. good afternoon.- he ate up all your time. quickly go . l “ ' go for it. good afternoon. and no , i agree with everyone.

no, i agree with everyone. i don't think it's inhumane. i think if it's recess s, it's tho.— think if it's recess s, it's tho. tuc— think if it's recess s, it's fine. we can— think if it's recess s, it's fine. we can house them tcmpotahty— fine. we can house them temporarily. we need to understand— temporarily. we need to understand it's only temporary accommoda— understand it's only temporary accommoda tation at the moment. it's accommoda tation at the moment. to coctha— accommoda tation at the moment. to cocthg tho— accommoda tation at the moment. it's costing the country and the taxpayer— it's costing the country and the taxpayer tot— it's costing the country and the taxpayer to up— it's costing the country and the taxpayer for up to— it's costing the country and the taxpayer for up to 7 million a day— taxpayer for up to 7 million a day to— taxpayer for up to 7 million a day to hotet— taxpayer for up to 7 million a day for hotel accommodation and not day for hotel accommodation and hot tatthg— day for hotel accommodation and not talking about— day for hotel accommodation and not talking about the billions that— not talking about the billions that tt— not talking about the billions that it costs.— not talking about the billions that it costs. so— not talking about the billions that it costs. so if it's a way to cucct— that it costs. so if it's a way to reduce costs— that it costs. so if it's a way to reduce costs as- that it costs. so if it's a way to reduce costs as well as cucct— to reduce costs as well as cucct tho— to reduce costs as well as reduce the backlog, i think we choutt— reduce the backlog, i think we should continue— reduce the backlog, i think we should continue allowing them to cahc — should continue allowing them to cahc att— should continue allowing them to share. all right— should continue allowing them to share. all right .— should continue allowing them to share. all right . yeah,- share. all right. yeah, absolutely. and i'd probably split hairs and go for three in a room rather than four. right thank you very much. certainly. good you. brian good to talk to you. brian dugan, richardson, also dugan, miranda richardson, also david great david bohm there, my great british is today i've british voice is now today i've been asking, should migrants, are being inhumane? lots of. are we being inhumane? lots of. you've been getting touch . you've been getting in touch. uh, nigel says, i wonder if these are ungrateful these people who are ungrateful for having share a with for having to share a room with three others complained about the criminal traffickers when they unsafe they had to share an unsafe dinghy point . dinghy with dozens? good point. peter says the migrants complaints rubbish complaints are absolute rubbish . in 20s with a . when i was in my 20s with a family, to work away from family, i had to work away from home regularly, slept in a room

with didn't with other men that i didn't know the know with a toilet on the landing, if landing, no shower and if they're take they're desperate, you'll take what bernard said. what you can get. bernard said. it beggars be it seems the beggars can't be choosers. there are millions of british 4 to british residents sleeping 4 to 5 a room. migrants are 5 in a room. these migrants are previously tents in previously living in tents in france whatsoever. france with no help whatsoever. and says, no, i don't and malwina says, no, i don't think the migrants hard done think the migrants are hard done by waitress in by when working as a waitress in a cocktail i shared a a cocktail bar, i shared a bedroom three others, bedroom with three others, none of beforehand . then, of whom i knew beforehand. then, as student teacher, shared as a student teacher, i shared a room others. don't room with two others. i don't know such know how dare they make such demands? many former soldiers would room rather than would love a room rather than the right . the streets. absolutely right. well, listen, great thoughts. lovely, lovely, right lovely, lovely, lovely. right now for time for supplements sunday, to discuss sunday, i'm going to discuss some the top stories. some of the top stories. let's go you. nigel, let's start go with you. nigel, let's start with you your nigel. with you and your story, nigel. yes, indeed. it's the taliban havo— yes, indeed. it's the taliban have unveiled— yes, indeed. it's the taliban have unveiled their- “tit: :: it's the taliban have unveiled their first supercar and— have unveiled their first supercar and this is this has tech— supercar and this is this has hcch matc— supercar and this is this has hcch matc hy— supercar and this is this has been made by afghan engineers. and been made by afghan engineers. that what— been made by afghan engineers. and what they've— been made by afghan engineers. and what they've done is they've cottcctct— and what they've done is they've collectedlload_ and what they've done is they've collected l load of _ and what they've done is they've collected load of bits that collected a load of bits that have— collected a load of bits that have come-the- collected a load of bits that have come the left behind have come from the left behind by motto,— have come from the left behind by upto, hy— have come from the left behind by photo, by us— have come from the left behind by nato, by us troops and so on. so by nato, by us troops and so on. so tho— by nato, by us troops and so on. so the httc— by nato, by us troops and so on. so the httc ot— by nato, by us troops and so on. so the bits of helicopters, bits of so the bits of helicopters, bits ot ott— so the bits of helicopters, bits of old fridges— so the bits of helicopters, bits of old fridges and we should have— of old fridges and we should have a— of old fridges and we should have a picture— of old fridges and we should have a picture of— of old fridges and we should have a picture of it. i do hope so have a picture of it. i do hope to . yuc— have a picture of it. i do hope to . hue ton-t.— have a picture of it. i do hope so . we don't. that's- have a picture of it. i do hope so . t:ti.t“ . taut.“

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charabanc love. i love it. not- about the taliban? charabanc love. . \tti�*t about the taliban? charabanc love. c \ love. i love it. not also danny kelly. your this is a great story— kelly. your this is a great story hut— kelly. your this is a great ctoty hut tot— kelly. your this is a great story but for all- your this is a great story but for all the wrong reasons. a guy— story but for all the wrong reasons. a guy on a cruise in tho— reasons. a guy on a cruise in the motto— reasons. a guy on a cruise in the middle of— reasons. a guy on a cruise in the middle of a— reasons. a guy on a cruise in the middle of a of the ocean goos— the middle of a of the ocean goes to— the middle of a of the ocean eocc to tho— the middle of a of the ocean goes to the doctor. he's got a bit goes to the doctor. he's got a htt ot— goes to the doctor. he's got a bit of sciatic— goes to the doctor. he's got a bit of sciatic or— goes to the doctor. he's got a bit of sciatic or something in his bit of sciatic or something in htc toe. — bit of sciatic or something in htc toe. the— bit of sciatic or something in his leg. the doctor misdiagnosed it his leg. the doctor misdiagnosed tt ac— his leg. the doctor misdiagnosed tt ac om— his leg. the doctor misdiagnosed tt ac cott— his leg. the doctor misdiagnosed it as some sort of— his leg. the doctor misdiagnosed it as some sort of potential htoot— it as some sort of potential blood poisoning, and he's by the captah-c— blood poisoning, and he's by the captain's orders.— blood poisoning, and he's by the captain's orders. he is winched by the— captain's orders. he is winched by the coastguard— captain's orders. he is winched by the coastguard taken to the hcact— by the coastguard taken to the hcacct- aha- by the coastguard taken to the nearest-. and in- by the coastguard taken to the nearest . and in the nearest hospital. and in the end:— nearest hospital. and in the cat. tt— nearest hospital. and in the cat. tt ac— nearest hospital. and in the end, it was just— nearest hospital. and in the end, it was just a little bit of cctattca— end, it was just a little bit of sciatica. but— end, it was just a little bit of sciatica. but the— end, it was just a little bit of sciatica. but the captain can't tac— sciatica. but the captain can't take chances— sciatica. but the captain can't take chances in— sciatica. but the captain can't take chances in case he dies on the—hot— take chances in case he dies on the—hot the- take chances in case he dies on the—not the love- take chances in case he dies oni the—not the love boat the ship. no, not the love boat , was it? it wasn't love the ship. \tit i’ it wasn't love boat, , was it? it wasn't love boat, of , was it? it wasn't love boat, ot—aht— , was it? it wasn't love boat, ot—aht tct-c- , was it? it wasn't love boat,i of_and let's quickly of course. oh, and let's quickly octo— of course. oh, and let's quickly onto-my— of course. oh, and let's quickly onto-my ctoty— of course. oh, and let's quickly onto-my story. and- of course. oh, and let's quickly onto my story. and this was onto onto my story. and this was about—that- onto onto my story. and this was about—that tiktokeri about missy. he's that tiktoker that—puttmg- about missy. he's that tiktoker that—putting himi about missy. he's that tiktoker. that—putting him on that people keep putting him on tv that people keep putting him on tvlhtc— that people keep putting him on tvlhtc-cayc— that people keep putting him on tvlhtc-cayclcct- that people keep putting him on tvihis-sayslget a- that people keep putting him on tv his says get a job, tv. his mum says to get a job, for tv. his mum says to get a job, to cot-c— tv. his mum says to get a job, for god's sake. _ tv. his mum says to get a job, for god's sake. i— tv. his mum says to get a job, for god's sake. i mean, what do you— for god's sake. i mean, what do you that— for god's sake. i mean, what do you think about— for god's sake. i mean, what do you think about this, missy? guy tccpc— you think about this, missy? guy cc ahout— you think about this, missy? guy cc about-t— you think about this, missy? guy kee about-i think- you think about this, missy? guy kee about-i think he's- you think about this, missy? guy kee about “2 got about 10s. i think he's a well done, scouse for idiot. yeah. what do you think? i havch-t— yeah. what do you think? i havch-t got— yeah. what do you think? i haven't got any— t/ti;e“ what do you think? i haven't got any scouse for tact.— haven't got any scouse for

tttot. t-m— haven't got any scouse for idiot. i'm afraid- haven't got any scouse for idiot. i'm afraid so. i'll go. ttt— idiot. i'm afraid so. i'll go. m 90— idiot. i'm afraid so. i'll go. m to wtth— idiot. i'm afraid so. i'll go. i'll go with danny. i'm quite amoyct— i'll go with danny. i'm quite annoyed-bbc. - i'll go with danny. i'm quite annoyed bbc. cetti; i'll go with danny. i'm quite annoyed-bbc. gave any annoyed at the bbc. gave him any sort and sort of platform to do that. and also others that also a couple of others did that as this is on as well. well, this is on today's show. been asking, as well. well, this is on today'sthink. been asking, as well. well, this is on today'sthink migrants�*l asking, do you think migrants sharing a hotel room inhumane ? and hotel room is inhumane? and according to our twitter poll , according to our twitter poll, 81% of you say yes, 19% of you say no . so i'm going to say say no. so i'm going to say a huge thank you to my fabulous panel huge thank you to my fabulous panel, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. nigel, thank you very much. also to thank you very much. and also to danny kelly. he's a journalist and broadcaster. thank you so much, danny. thank you . and a much, danny. thank you. and a huge you to you home huge thank you to you at home for i'll for your company as well. i'll be next saturday at the be back next saturday at the usual of 3:00. be there or usual time of 3:00. be there or be don't forget free be square. don't forget free speech nation is on after this, i'll you with the weather i'll leave you with the weather . i don't know who's on after it was . it gloria piero .

start the day with gb news. we catch up on all the big ce cit \t we catch up on all the big stories you— catch up on all the big stories you ttth-t— catch up on all the big stories you didn't hear— catch up on all the big stories you didn't hear the night tctoc. — you didn't hear the night before. and— you didn't hear the night before. “c you didn't hear the night before. ' “c you didn't hear the night- before. and take a look at what the talking about this the world's talking about this morning that's monday morning. that's right. monday to thursdays it's thursdays from 6:00. it's breakfast with eamonn and isabel. straight after breakfast. join us bev turner aha— breakfast. join us bev turner and match— breakfast. join us bev turner and andrew pierce. - join us bev turner and andrew pierce. wbifi: ”ti: tgtit “g and andrew pierce. we're going to take you through noon. to take you through till noon. we'll tackling topics we'll be tackling the big topics of we'll be tackling the big topics ot the— we'll be tackling the big topics of the - including - we'll be tackling the big topics of the including things of the day, including the things that— of the day, including the things that-channels- of the day, including the things that channels just of the day, including the things that talk channels just of the day, including the things that talk about annels just of the day, including the things that talk about iflnels just of the day, including the things that talk about if it's; just won't talk about if it's happening— won't talk about if it's happening - - won't talk about if it's happening . “g won't talk about if it's— happening . it's happening here. happening. it's happening here. wake happening. it's happening here. hate-momhac— happening. it's happening here. wake-mornings on- happening. it's happening here. wake-mornings on gb- happening. it's happening here. . wake-mornings on gb news. wake up two mornings on gb news. the wake up two mornings on gb news. the tcoptc-c— wake up two mornings on gb news. the people's channel. britain's news channel. _ the people's channel. britain's news channel. “ti;”ti; news channel. hello there. tctcomc — news channel. hello there. tctcomc to — news channel. hello there. welcome to your— news channel. “ti;”ti; welcome to your latest gb news tcathct— welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. _ welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm greg pcwhutct— weather forecast. i'm greg dewhurst and— weather forecast. i'm greg dewhurst and looking at the next few dewhurst and looking at the next cu tayc— dewhurst and looking at the next cu tayc tt— dewhurst and looking at the next few days it stays— dewhurst and looking at the next few days it stays fine and

cctttct— few days it stays fine and cctttct .— few days it stays fine and settled , but— few days it stays fine and settled , but there are signs of settled, but there are signs of comcthhe— settled, but there are signs of something little _ settled, but there are signs of something little hotter and more humtt— something little hotter and more humtt oh— something little hotter and more humtt oh the— something little hotter and more humid on the way— something little hotter and more humid on the way to end the week . hut— humid on the way to end the week . put at— humid on the way to end the week . put at the— humid on the way to end the week . but at the moment— humid on the way to end the week . but at the moment high pcccuc tc— . but at the moment high pressure is in— . but at the moment high pressure is in charge of our tcathct. — pressure is in charge of our weather. keeping it settled. thtc— weather. keeping it settled. thtc tou— weather. keeping it settled. this low pressure moves towards us, this low pressure moves towards attouha— this low pressure moves towards attoumg a— this low pressure moves towards us, allowing a southerly air ctcam— us, allowing a southerly air ctcam to— us, allowing a southerly air stream to develop towards next weekend.— stream to develop towards next weekend, increasing the risk of heavy— weekend, increasing the risk of some heavy showers , a fine end some heavy showers, a fine end to suhtay.— some heavy showers, a fine end to suhtay. tc— some heavy showers, a fine end to sunday. we are— some heavy showers, a fine end to sunday. we are seeing some too— to sunday. we are seeing some too ctout— to sunday. we are seeing some low cloud across— to sunday. we are seeing some low cloud across eastern areas puch— low cloud across eastern areas puch ttc— low cloud across eastern areas puch ttc way— low cloud across eastern areas push its way inland . and as we push its way inland. and as we move overnight— push its way inland. and as we move overnight tonight , they can move overnight tonight, they can amort— move overnight tonight, they can attoc thc— move overnight tonight, they can afford the odd— move overnight tonight, they can afford the odd spot of drizzle, ctcahhg— afford the odd spot of drizzle, clearing skies— afford the odd spot of drizzle, clearing skies holding on across tcccmt— clearing skies holding on across tcccmt patc— clearing skies holding on across western parts of— clearing skies holding on across western parts of the uk . and western parts of the uk. and uhtct— western parts of the uk. and uhtct thocc— western parts of the uk. and under those clear skies, temperatures- under those clear skies, temperatures could dip to mid to low temperatures could dip to mid to tow choc— temperatures could dip to mid to low single figures— temperatures could dip to mid to low single figures holding up in the low single figures holding up in thc cact— low single figures holding up in the east where— low single figures holding up in the east where it— low single figures holding up in the east where it is a grey ctatt— the east where it is a grey ctatt to— the east where it is a grey start to monday morning . low start to monday morning. low ctout— start to monday morning. low ctout atco— start to monday morning. low cloud also affected midlands , cloud also affected midlands, pcthapc— cloud also affected midlands, pcthapc cch— cloud also affected midlands, perhaps even eastern parts of ttatcc. — perhaps even eastern parts of ttatcc. hut— perhaps even eastern parts of wales. but through the morning and tnto— wales. but through the morning and hto thc— wales. but through the morning and into the afternoon we should see and into the afternoon we should ccc-tou— and into the afternoon we should ccc-tou ctout— and into the afternoon we should see-low cloud lift- and into the afternoon we should see low cloud lift and see that low cloud lift and meat— see that low cloud lift and break-towards- see that low cloud lift and break towards the eastern break back towards the eastern coact— break back towards the eastern coact-tt— break back towards the eastern coact-tt wttt— break back towards the eastern coast-it will stay- break back towards the eastern coast it will stay quite coast where it will stay quite grey— coast where it will stay quite gcy—thc- coast where it will stay quite gcy—thc tay- coast where it will stay quite gcy—thc day -l coast where it will stay quite - grey—the day . whilst grey for much of the day. whilst much— grey for much of the day. whilst much ot— grey for much of the day. whilst much of-country_ grey for much of the day. whilst much of country will have much of the country will have a the— much of the country will have a tthc—cuhhy- much of the country will have a fine—sunny spells fine day, plenty of sunny spells amt— fine day, plenty of sunny spells and temperatures— fine day, plenty of sunny spells and temperatures lifting into the tow— and temperatures lifting into the tow 20c—

and temperatures lifting into the low 20s still chilly along cacctm— the low 20s still chilly along eastern coast— the low 20s still chilly along eastern coast with that hotthcact— eastern coast with that northeast easterly breeze here on monday— northeast easterly breeze here on monday evening. we've got ptchty— on monday evening. we've got pchty ot— on monday evening. we've got plenty of sunshine before dusk aha— plenty of sunshine before dusk and then— plenty of sunshine before dusk and then ac—

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