dorset police have the newsroom dorset police have named the 17 year old boy who died after getting into difficulty in the water off bournemouth beach on wednesday. joe arbus from southampton died after being pulled from the sea in a statement, his family said they were heartbroken and devastated , describing him as devastated, describing him as a fabulous young man. a 12 year old girl named in report says sunak khan from high wycombe in buckinghamshire also died in the incident , which involved ten incident, which involved ten swimmers as a sightseeing boat named the dorset. belle has been impounded by police . a man has impounded by police. a man has been charged after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa cup final yesterday , which appeared final yesterday, which appeared to have an offensive reference to have an offensive reference to the hillsborough disaster. 33 year old james white from warwickshire has been charged with displaying, threatening or abusive writing. he is expected to appear at willesden magistrates court next week. 97 liverpool fans died in 1989 at

hillsborough stadium in sheffield . indian authorities sheffield. indian authorities say a signal problem was likely responsible for the country's worst train crash in decades. the number of people who were killed in the accident has now been revised down to 275. another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary freight train before derailing and striking a second passenger train. prime minister narendra modi has vowed to punish anyone found responsible . all the found responsible. all the immigration minister has told gb news it's wrong for migrants to demand better hotel accommodation while waiting for their asylum claims to be processed . it's after a protest processed. it's after a protest was sparked in london by migrants being asked to sleep for to a room. speaking to camilla tominey, robert jenrick said the government will never put their interests above the british public. he also said sharing hotel rooms is necessary to get value for taxpayers

money. remember, these are migrants— money. remember, these are migrants who— money. remember, these are migrants who have- cw�*w; remember, these are migrants who have said “cw“cg remember, these are migrants who have said they are destitute.— migrants who have said they are destitute. they've _ migrants who have said they are destitute. they've said that they— destitute. they've said that they have— destitute. they've said that they have absolutely nowhere to stay,— they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no— they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends,— they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends, no— they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends, no family, no my — stay, no friends, no family, no money and— stay, no friends, no family, no money. and the— stay, no friends, no family, no money. and the taxpayer is stepping— money. and the taxpayer is stepping up— money. and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing them men— stepping up and providing them nnn geod— stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation and none— with good quality accommodation and beam and— with good quality accommodation and board and lodgings. and so enme— and board and lodgings. and so nose i— and board and lodgings. and so nose i minn— and board and lodgings. and so those i think those migrants are meme— those i think those migrants are meme ne— those i think those migrants are wrong to protest— those i think those migrants are wrong to protest and say that eney— wrong to protest and say that nney neeene— wrong to protest and say that they deserve to— wrong to protest and say that they deserve to have single nemeeme— they deserve to have single bedrooms with— they deserve to have single bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and ee— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms end so ane— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm pleased to enm— and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common— and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common sense seems to neve— see that common sense seems to me prevailed— see that common sense seems to nave prevailed m— see that common sense seems to have prevailed in this case. ' have prevailed in this case. a mnem— have prevailed in this case. a labour mp— have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has— have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told- have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told gb- have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told gb news victims are too scared to complain about sexual predators in parliament. charlotte nichols told camilla tominey that harassment is baked into every single part of how westminster operates . she also accused the operates. she also accused the labour party of choosing not to act on concerns raised about a number of colleagues over a very long period. her comments come after she revealed being handed after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps she should avoid when first becoming an mp . it's happened to me in

meetings— it's happened to me in meetings during the middle of the meetings during the middle of me working— meetings during the middle of the working day— meetings during the middle of the working day ._ meetings during the middle of the working day . i've had the working day. i've had eeueeenee— the working day. i've had colleagues do— the working day. i've had colleagues do things like menmennme— colleagues do things like inappropriate touching, you know , enem— inappropriate touching, you know , men nann— inappropriate touching, you know , their hand on— inappropriate touching, you know , their hand on your leg or on your— , their hand on your leg or on your neck— , their hand on your leg or on your been on— , their hand on your leg or on your back or making comments teneme— your back or making comments towards you— your back or making comments towards you and _ your back or making comments towards you and on someone that, as towards you and on someone that, m n— towards you and on someone that, m n enn— towards you and on someone that, as i said, within— towards you and on someone that, as i said, within the— towards you and on someone that, as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster— as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster is— as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster is relatively protected— of westminster is relatively meneenee ny— of westminster is relatively protected by virtue of being an mn— protected by virtue of being an nn se— protected by virtue of being an nn so new— protected by virtue of being an mp. so how much— protected by virtue of being an mp. so how much worse it must be if ye— mp. so how much worse it must be if you're someone— mp. so how much worse it must be if you're someone who has less power— if you're someone who has less power m— if you're someone who has less newer m me— if you're someone who has less power in the institution, where yre— power in the institution, where you're more likely— power in the institution, where you're more likely to experience it you're more likely to experience n and— you're more likely to experience in end een— you're more likely to experience it and even less— you're more likely to experience it and even less able to speak enr— it and even less able to speak out nnen— it and even less able to speak out nnen n— it and even less able to speak out when it happens . j out when it happens. the duke of sense— out when it happens. the duke of sussex will appear at the high court tomorrow to give evidence against the publisher of the daily mirror over alleged unlawful information gathering. harry claims around 140 published articles contained information gathered using unlawful methods, including adding phone hacking. mirror group newspapers is contesting the claims. you're up to date on tv online , dab+ radio and on tv online, dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. now it's tune in. this is gb news. now wsfime tune in. this is gb news. now

it's time for. camilla tominey. this good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show on this sunny sunday. lovely to have your— sunny sunday. lovely to have your company. — sunny sunday. lovely to have your company. we— “y “cm? lovely to have your company. we have “y “can lovely to have your company. we have got ’“’“; “cc; lovely to have your company. we have got an eneermery— your company. we have got an absolutely bumper show joined ny— absolutely bumper show joined by non— absolutely bumper show joined now by bob seely, the tory mp for me— now by bob seely, the tory mp for me me— now by bob seely, the tory mp for the isle of— now by bob seely, the tory mp for the isle of wight. he describes— for the isle of wight. he describes the— for the isle of wight. he describes the tory party's reernem— describes the tory party's resident ukraine expert, which is resident ukraine expert, which re enm— resident ukraine expert, which is me we— resident ukraine expert, which is what we want— resident ukraine expert, which is what we want to start this conversation— is what we want to start this conversation look, how do conversation on. look, how do you— conversation on. look, how do yenne-r— conversation on. look, how do yenne-r re- conversation on. look, how do yenne-r is going. conversation on. look, how do you war is going and you think the war is going and new— you think the war is going and new no— you think the war is going and how do -foresee _ you think the war is going and how do -foresee it- you think the war is going and how do foresee it ending? how do you foresee it ending? new— how do you foresee it ending? new no— how do you foresee it ending? new no you— how do you foresee it ending? how do you foresee— how do you foresee it ending? how do you foresee ending is another question entirely how the is going okay. it's the war is going okay. it's going for the russians, going badly for the russians, but that the russians but the idea that the russians have is not true and we're have lost is not true and we're buying the idea russian buying into the idea of russian defeat russia still defeat to early russia still occupies of ukraine. and if occupies 20% of ukraine. and if they keep occupying that for the next or two, then actually next year or two, then actually putin is winning. so the idea that this i that putin's lost this war, i don't buy. and actually, if putin's agenda is to create a

russia which is viscerally hostile and angry and full of hatred towards the west, and to reshape russian identity, to be profoundly anti—western, he's sort of doing quite well in russia . now, that may all come russia. now, that may all come crashing down. his regime may come but come crashing down, but it hasn't it comes to hasn't yet. when it comes to arming ukrainians , we've got arming the ukrainians, we've got to to so. but but to continue to do so. but but the big sort of collapse of russia, russian front, russia, of the russian front, especially in the south, it may not happen because the russians are dug in in so many different lines it's going to be very lines that it's going to be very difficult to through difficult to break through all those the those lines, although the ukrainians know they've got the motivation, they've got the morale. much now morale. they're much better now at doing manoeuvre warfare, which modern which is effectively modern warfare, combine stuff warfare, where you combine stuff . to do well . so they're going to do well this summer, i hope. how well is the great question. you say they've got the motivation and indeed they've got the spirit, but do they have the weaponry or has or countries been has the eu or eu countries been found wanting in supplying weapons ukraine? weapons to ukraine? probably yes, america says, yes, because the america says, look, we're doing lots of great stuff there and we led the way and actually congratulations to the government the previous boris government

and russia's government . but and to russia's government. but it's americans are it's the americans that are supplying about 85% of kit. supplying about 85% of the kit. and consider the european union's economic size and our ability to support the ukrainians , i think has been ukrainians, i think has been pretty poor. i mean, when i say our i'm talking about europe as a i think we've a whole, i think we've been pretty the americans have pretty good. the americans have been but i think been pretty good. but i think europe's lacking europe's been lacking in everything to everything has taken time to come out and it's way too slow. i wonder what you made of james creverry— i wonder what you made of james creveny rne — i wonder what you made of james cleverly, the foreign— i wonder what you made of james cleverly, the foreign secretary nreenne— cleverly, the foreign secretary tweeting -week - tweeting in the week that ukraine-e— tweeting in the week thati ukraine's—is tweeting in the week that. ukraine's—is in ukraine's rightful place is in were. — ukraine's rightful place is in were. lyen— ukraine's rightful place is in nato..you agree- ukraine's rightful place is in nato. you agree with that? nato. do you agree with that? up to nato. do you agree with that? up telpoint- — nato. do you agree with that? up nelnerm. ._ nato. do you agree with that? up nelnerm. r reek.— nato. do you agree with that? up tolpoint. i look, i— nato. do you agree with that? up tolpoint. i look, ijust- nato. do you agree with that? up to point. to a point. i look, ijust for me, this could escalate in a much more dangerous way. this war, whether it's attacking western pipelines or 70 internet cables or the five interconnectors, the electricity supply lines between us in europe . and i think that's a europe. and i think that's a reeuy— europe. and i think that's a really credible— c. and i think that's a really credible threat for sure. yesr_ really credible threat for sure. yes. r— really credible threat for sure. yes. r en. — really credible threat for sure. yes. r no. and— really credible threat for sure. yes, i do. and i— really credible threat for sure. yes, i do. and i also- really credible threat for sure. yes, i do. and i also think- really credible threat for sure. yes, i do. and i also think we underestimate the potential for russia to use tactical nuclear weapons. i did a study for the heritage institute a few months ago, recent ago, and there was a recent study out by retired us study put out by retired us general that says actually the

likelihood of using this is higher really? higher than we think. really? yeah, that's horrifying. yeah, i mean, that's horrifying. it . on the the it is horrifying. on the on the balance probabilities, the balance of probabilities, the russians do it russians probably won't do it because chinese and because of the chinese and indians effectively because of the chinese and indians theireffectively because of the chinese and indians their supportely withdraw their support significantly . if putin, significantly. but if putin, putin always escalates out of a crisis, how is he going to escalate out of this crisis apart from another round of mobilisation and more artillery, more artillery and more strikes on kyiv and other ukrainian cities, which isn't working, was cleverly make this cleverly naive to make this statement i think we should statement then i think we should park nato membership. is park nato membership. ukraine is safe. it becomes safe. not when it becomes a paper member of organisation, paper member of an organisation, but actually when it's got the ability to defend itself. when it's kit, when got it's got the kit, when it's got the defend itself, and the kit to defend itself, and whether it's and when it's got the military intellectual firepower to use that kit in the most effective way possible, which it is learning . i mean which it is learning. i mean this that is but that is when it's going to be safe. the severing of undersea- c gc “g the severing of undersea cables just to severing of undersea cables just ne—rne— severing of undersea cables just to-the viewership- severing of undersea cables just to the viewership and to explain to the viewership and the listenership,_ to explain to the viewership and the listenership, are the listenership, these are enmes— the listenership, these are entrees-carry- the listenership, these are cables-carry.ofl the listenership, these are. cables-carry.of our cables which carry all of our eme- — cables which carry all of our data. _entire- cables which carry all of our. data._entire country data. i mean, the entire country is data. i mean, the entire country re eemprerery— data. i mean, the entire country is completely disabled . yeah.

is completely disabled. yeah. ane— is completely disabled. yeah. ann ._ is completely disabled. yeah. ane r men— is completely disabled. yeah. and i know there— is completely disabled. yeah. and i know there has been some evidence— and i know there has been some evidence on— and i know there has been some evidence of some— and i know there has been some evidence of some degree of attempts— evidence of some degree of attempts re— evidence of some degree of attempts to tamper. but just neu— attempts to tamper. but just ten ne— attempts to tamper. but just tell us about— attempts to tamper. but just tell us about the threat of men— tell us about the threat of that, particularly for sure. mere— that, particularly for sure. mere re— that, particularly for sure. there are 70— that, particularly for sure. there are 70 comms- that, particularly for sure. there are 70 comms cable between us, europe and north america and elsewhere in the world. there are three key gas supply lines, one from norway, which is a critical one, and there are five electricity interconnectors. if these are sabotaged and we're never going the idea that we're knowing we're going to know it's the russians who've done it, i think is going to be really difficult. you cannot go to difficult. and you cannot go to war. say that we war. you cannot say that we would a military response would have a military response to this without being so sure it was the russians. and you can suspect it. but unless you've got no government is got that proof, no government is going to take military action or decisive against the decisive action against the russians lines russians should our supply lines be any of those 70 be cut. but if any of those 70 cables are cut, we will start noticing it. the city of london will start noticing the city will start noticing it. the city of say, we can't of london will say, we can't operate. but have the operate. but do we have the capacity?— operate. but do we have the cannery-ne— operate. but do we have the capacity?.we don't- but do we have the capacity? we don't take any capacity? no we don't take any mrrnery— capacity? no we don't take any military action— capacity? no we don't take any military action against russia. even— military action against russia. even in— military action against russia. even n we— military action against russia. even if we wanted to when we do. but

even if we wanted to when we do. nut—me— even if we wanted to when we do. but—the-scheme. but i mean, in the great scheme of things, you want to of things, would you want to be doing no. may want to doing that? no. you may want to up your support to ukraine still further. you may then want to supply either gripen supply by either swedish gripen planes or f—16s. but again, you're getting into increasingly dangerous territory. problem dangerous territory. our problem is able it is we won't be able to find it because we've got one ship that is in in defending is specialising in in defending undersea cables, and it's not yet been commissioned. ship. yeah. we may have we may yeah. yeah we may have we may have to it's being commissioned at the moment and let's talk about getting a second one now. we have subs and have vessels we have subs and we have vessels that that but mean this that can do that but mean this is problem with our defence is the problem with our defence spending there's spending is that there's no redundancy system and we redundancy in the system and we live much more dangerous live in much more dangerous times that's times and that's been increasingly over last increasingly clear over the last year gdp. should defence year of gdp. should defence epenerng— year of gdp. should defence epenemg-r— year of gdp. should defence spending-i know- c, j 37�* should defence spending i know truss spending be? i know truss advocated— spending be? i know truss advocated 3.— spending be? i know truss advocated 3. would you advocate mere— advocated 3. would you advocate more? - advocate - advocated 3. would you advocate more?-advocate more. advocated 3. would you advocate. more? - advocate more than more? i would advocate more than we're doing moment, but we're doing at the moment, but it's question of how much it's not a question of how much money because can spend that it's not a question of how much money very use can spend that it's not a question of how much money very badly, can spend that it's not a question of how much money very badly, asan spend that it's not a question of how much money very badly, as we ;pend that it's not a question of how much money very badly, as we know, that it's not a question of how much money very badly, as we know, on: money very badly, as we know, on procurement where, you know, it's scandal. it's still a national scandal. i mean, our is mean, some of our kit is billions over budget and still doesn't work and gives you sort of back ache airing problems doesn't work and gives you sort ofyou'reache airing problems doesn't work and gives you sort ofyou're using airing problems doesn't work and gives you sort

ofyou're using the|iring problems doesn't work and gives you sort ofyou're using the electorate. ns if you're using the electorate. much confidence this, bob much confidence any of this, bob no,-g.ear. — much confidence any of this, bob no,-g.ear. r— much confidence any of this, bob no,-great. i mean,- no, it's not great. i mean, reek.— no, it's not great. i mean, reek. me— no, it's not great. i mean, look, the procurement and the mod been a scandal for mod has been a scandal for years. and to ben wallace's credit, now trying to credit, he is now trying to solve this. but stuff is solve this. but this stuff is now moved. be the head of now being moved. be the head of were— now being moved. be the head of were-eu— now being moved. be the head of nnro-eu er— now being moved. be the head of nato-all of this— “g : be the head of nato all of this happening nato with all of this happening on nato with all of this happening en-ene— nato with all of this happening on-and concerns- nato with all of this happening on and concerns about on home soil and concerns about our own defences,— on home soil and concerns about our own defences, i— on home soil and concerns about our own defences, i think ben wanne— our own defences, i think ben menace-ne— our own defences, i think ben neueee-ne e- our own defences, i think beni wallace-be a-head our own defences, i think ben- wallace-be a-head of wallace would be a great head of were. — wallace would be a great head of were. lemm— wallace would be a great head of nato. ithink he's— wallace would be a great head of nato. ithink he's highly- nato. i think he's highly capable. there's somebody capable. and if there's somebody who job, we who deserves that job, who we know it well, know would do it very well, i think it is absolutely. ben wallace and you c ben wallace and you could then remeee— wallace and you could then repreee nrm — wallace and you could then replace him as— wallace and you could then replace him as defence secretary. — replace him as defence secretary. very kind, secretary. that's very kind, very— secretary. that's very kind, very-rere- secretary. that's very kind, very- let's move i secretary. that's very kind,i very-let's move on secretary. that's very kind,- very-let's move on to very unlikely. let's move on to emer— very unlikely. let's move on to other matters.— very unlikely. let's move on to other matters. you— very unlikely. let's move on to other matters. you saw the scoop in-telegraph_ other matters. you saw the scoop in-telegraph en— other matters. you saw the scoop in telegraph on saturday in the telegraph on saturday enem— in the telegraph on saturday about—disinfo- about this counter disinfo mnem— about this counter disinfo. matron—en nation effectively spying on unknown— nation effectively spying on reeneenn—eenl nation effectively spying on- lockdown_got one lockdown critics. we've got one coming— lockdown critics. we've got onej coming—nineerey coming in later. molly kingsley mm— coming in later. molly kingsley rnre—en- coming in later. molly kingsley this—of soviet. this is almost sort of soviet styre— this is almost sort of soviet eryre sneer— this is almost sort of soviet style stasi techniques of spying on people— style stasi techniques of spying on people-dissent- style stasi techniques of spying on people dissent and on people who dissent id and men-n— on people who dissent id and errant-men— on people who dissent id and didn't that schools should on people who dissent id and didclosed that schools should on people who dissent id and didclosed orthat schools should on people who dissent id and didclosed or wearrchools should on people who dissent id and didclosed or wear face ls should on people who dissent id and didclosed or wear face masks. .d be closed or wear face masks. rney-re— be closed or wear face masks. they're -conspiracy- they're not conspiracy theorists, _ they're not conspiracy. theorists, - bob they're not conspiracy- theorists,-bob why theorists, are they? bob why were—andl theorists, are they? bob whyi were—ann me were they spied on? and the problem — were they spied on? and the problem there is problem is there is there is a conspiracy theorist, a conspiracy theorist, a conspiracy theorist, a conspiracy theorist, fringe. i don't arguments in any don't buy their arguments in any way, or form. but there way, shape or form. but there was for intelligent was a role for intelligent debate and there was a role for

listening to different experts dunng listening to different experts during what really during covid and what has really depressed was the depressed me about this was the way that government and it's depressed me about this was the wgovernmentjovernment and it's depressed me about this was the wgovernment ivernment and it's depressed me about this was the wgovernment i was ment and it's depressed me about this was the wgovernment i was supporting,'s a government i was supporting, which more frustrating. which is even more frustrating. you'd labour. you you'd expect it from labour. you shouldn't thing shouldn't expect this thing from the conservatives had the conservatives as we had a government that effectively was was very hostile to dissent and was very hostile to dissent and was was saying it was listening to experts. but the only experts it was listening to were people who effectively like from imperial college who were producing extraordinarily questionable data, which has since, if my understanding of the data. yeah, i mean, sorry if i'm ever a minister during a crisis, my first instinct is not to listen to anything put out by by imperial college . should by imperial college. should baroness hallett_ by imperial college. should baroness hallett look- 3 should baroness hallett look at all one— baroness hallett look at all one-oe— baroness hallett look at all this as everything baroness hallett look at all- this-as everything else? this as well as everything else? noon— this as well as everything else? noon. one— this as well as everything else? look, the problem— this as well as everything else? look, the problem with- this as well as everything else? look, the problem with baroness hallett the inquiry hallett i just think the inquiry is to cost about a quarter is going to cost about a quarter of a billion and is going to achieve absolutely nothing. the swedes already delivered swedes have already delivered their this inquiry their inquiry. is this inquiry men—tong?- their inquiry. is this inquiry. men—rome-mrem just taking too long? we might not just taking too long? we might non-noon— just taking too long? we might molten-ner- just taking too long? we might not-back-her. she. just taking too long? we might not back her. she says not hear back from her. she says ene— not hear back from her. she says one neede— not hear back from her. she says she needs another— not hear back from her. she says she needs another three years to ou— she needs another three years to assess all-data. _ she needs another three years toi assess all-data. -years assess all the data. three years one— assess all the data. three years and can guarantee we and by then i can guarantee we won't learned the lesson, won't have learned the lesson, the lesson is

the lesson, the big lesson is the lesson, the big lesson is the big question for me is not why didn't we go into lockdown earlier? the big question why earlier? the big question is why did experiment with lockdown earlier? the big question is why did firsteriment with lockdown earlier? the big question is why did first place? with lockdown earlier? the big question is why did first place? whyr lockdown earlier? the big question is why did first place? why did kdown earlier? the big question is why did first place? why did we wn in the first place? why did we engage groupthink rather engage in mass groupthink rather than. absolutely. may be than. absolutely. and it may be because locked down, maybe because china locked down, maybe because china locked down, maybe because italy locked down, maybe because italy locked down, maybe because we were by the because we were spooked by the highly imperial highly questionable imperial college stats that came out, which being, as i say, which are now being, as i say, being questioned being significantly questioned as accuracy. we as to their likely accuracy. we had response model. had a pandemic response model. it's the did, okay? it's what the swedes did, okay? it's what the swedes did, okay? it costs a lot less. it costs them a lot less. but even more importantly, we have now got between 10 and 20,000 excess deaths, every year. excess deaths, 2020 every year. we been more swedish. yes, we have been more swedish. yes, we mourn.— we have been more swedish. yes, we snowe- ano— we have been more swedish. yes, we should. and isay_ we have been more swedish. yes, we should. andlsay that- we have been more swedish. yes, we should. and say that as we should. and i say that as someone voted for the first someone who voted for the first couple of lockdowns and only and became sceptical, frankly, too couple of lockdowns and only and becaine sceptical, frankly, too couple of lockdowns and only and becain thezptical, frankly, too couple of lockdowns and only and becain the day.al, frankly, too couple of lockdowns and only and becain the day. we've kly, too couple of lockdowns and only and becain the day. we've only:oo couple of lockdowns and only and becain the day. we've only got late in the day. we've only got a left, bob. just let's a minute left, bob. just let's have a a minute left, bob. just let's move o enor— a minute left, bob. just let's have a chat about— a minute left, bob. just let's have a chat about the- just let's have a chat about the tories. con— have a chat about the tories. con oney— have a chat about the tories. con oney win— have a chat about the tories. can they win 2024? yes. can they win in 2024? yes. neopre— can they win in 2024? yes. people — can they win in 2024? yes. people are talking about boris enu— people are talking about boris emu-one— people are talking about boris still the doorstep. \rc still on the doorstep. no, whey-re— still on the doorstep. no, oney-re—owo- still on the doorstep. no, they're-out in. still on the doorstep. no,| they're-out in a they're not. i was out in a place wootton wootton place called wootton wootton creek there's creek yesterday. there's a lovely isle of lovely patch in the isle of wight and are not talking wight and people are not talking about i know about boris. i know the westminster media loves to talk about folks on the about him. the folks on the doorstep, they've on. doorstep, they've moved on. what taxes be cut. do you

what we taxes to be cut. do you wom— what we taxes to be cut. do you wom tones— what we taxes to be cut. do you want taxes-cut? - what we taxes to be cut. do you want taxes-cut? yes,- what we taxes to be cut. do you want taxes cut? yes, they want taxes to be cut? yes, they no. — want taxes to be cut? yes, they no. and — want taxes to be cut? yes, they no. and whoo— want taxes to be cut? yes, they do. and what we— want taxes to be cut? yes, they do. and what we need- want taxes to be cut? yes, they do. “c : do. and what we need is a conservative government which is in line with the british people. they think that political correctness, like correctness, they don't like it. they be proud of our they want us to be proud of our history. they us deliver history. they want us to deliver tax and job creation and tax cuts and job creation and they us train people they want us to train up people here rather than relying on toryism or left wing toryism. i'd conservative i'd say more conservative tourism. moreyeah love that. conservatism. yeah we love that. bob.— conservatism. yeah we love that. non-very— conservatism. yeah we love that. non-very muon- conservatism. yeah we love that. bob, very much indeed. bob, thank you very much indeed. lowery— bob, thank you very much indeed. lowery-see— bob, thank you very much indeed. roweryleee yon— bob, thank you very much indeed. lovely-see you this— bob, thank you very much indeed. lovely see you this morning. lovely to see you this morning. monk— lovely to see you this morning. many you— lovely to see you this morning. many you very.— lovely to see you this morning. thank you very, very much for joining— joining me. now, lots more to come—wen- joining me. now, lots more to come _just afteri joining me. now, lots more to. come _just after the come on the show. just after the b...k,_ come on the show. just after the meow-eneowmg- come on the show. just after the break,-speaking to- break, i'll be speaking to immigration— break, i'll be speaking to immigration robert immigration minister robert jenrick_ immigration minister robert jenrick _ asking. immigration minister robert jenrick asking him jenrick and i'll be asking him why— jenrick and i'll be asking him why-government- jenrick and i'll be asking him why government failed why the government have failed in tackling both legal and illegal— illegal immigration. plus, i'm going— illegal immigration. plus, i'm gong-ne— illegal immigration. plus, i'm going be speaking labour going to be speaking to labour mp-nicholls,- going to be speaking to labour mp nicholls, who's mp charlotte nicholls, who's newne— mp charlotte nicholls, who's| tonne—over taking on her own party over wnon— taking on her own party over wnon-oe— taking on her own party over what-aslfailure. what she sees as a failure to none— what she sees as a failure to tackle misconduct

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asylum seekers with dignity and decency , but i'll never put the decency, but i'll never put the interests of migrants above those of the british public. and in this case, it's the home office offered perfectly good accommodation to asylum seekers in central london, and some for a short time said that it didn't meet their requirements . but i'm meet their requirements. but i'm pleased to see that common sense prevailed and most, if not all of them, ended up using the accommodation. we've got to stop using hotels altogether , reduce using hotels altogether, reduce our reliance on them . the only our reliance on them. the only sustainable way to do that is to stop the boats in the first place and secure our borders. but for as long as we are using them, we've got to get value for money for the taxpayer. but they're complaining about two metres being enough for metres not being enough for space migrants. i mean they may newe— space migrants. i mean they may move o— space migrants. i mean they may move o porno— space migrants. i mean they may have a point-would- space migrants. i mean they may have a point-would you- have a point there. would you wre— have a point there. would you we oo— have a point there. would you like to overnight— have a point there. would you like to overnight in a two metre squared— like to overnight in a two metre eoworeo eoooee— like to overnight in a two metre squared space? us— like to overnight in a two metre squared space? us well, we will orwoye— squared space? us well, we will orwoye meet— squared space? us well, we will always meet legal— squared space? us well, we will always meet legal obligations eno— always meet legal obligations one were— always meet legal obligations and there are— always meet legal obligations and there are space standards in nonem— and there are space standards in men one— and there are space standards in hotels and other— and there are space standards in hotels and other forms of

accommodation , but we have to accommodation, but we have to get accommodation, but we have to gen wome— accommodation, but we have to gen worwe for— accommodation, but we have to get value for money for the roopoyer. — get value for money for the roopoyer. n— get value for money for the taxpayer. it is— get value for money for the taxpayer. . g taxpayer. it is wrong that we're spending £6 million a day on hotels and so it's right that we make sure that those hotels that we do use and i say we want to reduce our reliance on them as rapidly as we can, but whilst we are using them , we get good are using them, we get good value for money for the taxpayer. and remember, these are said they are migrants who have said they are migrants who have said they are destitute . they've that are destitute. they've said that they absolutely nowhere to they have absolutely nowhere to stay, family , no stay, no friends, no family, no money, and taxpayer is money, and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation and and lodgings. and so and board and lodgings. and so those i think those migrants are wrong to protest and say that they deserve to have single bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common sense seems to have prevailed in this case. theidea have prevailed in this case. the idea of all of these meromo— the idea of all of these migrants flooding into hotels one— migrants flooding into hotels across the uk— migrants flooding into hotels across the uk is— migrants flooding into hotels across the uk is the government's fault really , isn't government's fault really, isn't it? government's fault really, isn't roe-onere-e— government's fault really, isn't it? _there's an- it? i mean, there's an astonishing- it? i mean, there's an astonishing today astonishing figure today ewegeenng— astonishing figure today i suggesting—still astonishing figure today- suggesting_still to suggesting that you're still to process— suggesting that you're still to poeee one— suggesting that you're still to process the asylum claims of

70.000— process the asylum claims of 70,000 albanians. what on earth oney— 70,000 albanians. what on earth rney doing— 70,000 albanians. what on earth were they doing coming to this country— were they doing coming to this country claiming— were they doing coming to this country claiming asylum in the men— country claiming asylum in the free proce— country claiming asylum in the first place when— country claiming asylum in the first place when they're coming from— first place when they're coming from o— first place when they're coming from o eme— first place when they're coming from a safe country, the whole wny— from a safe country, the whole reason why this— from a safe country, the whole reason why this has happened as far reason why this has happened as for oe— reason why this has happened as for re en— reason why this has happened as far as gb views— reason why this has happened as far as gb views and listeners are concerned, because the are concerned, is because the government— are concerned, is because the government has— are concerned, is because the government has completely lost a grip government has completely lost a grip_-_ government has completely lost a grip_- _ government has completely lost a grrp—. we.- government has completely lost a grrp—. we. that's. grip on this issue. no, that's noo— grip on this issue. no, that's not a— grip on this issue. no, that's not a fair analysis . there's a not a fair analysis. there's a european migration challenge and there are millions of people on there are millions of people on the move around the world and all european countries are facing very large numbers of illegal migrants. i've just been in france, in italy and then in nonh in france, in italy and then in north africa, in countries like tunisia and algeria . and the tunisia and algeria. and the challenge is very great. but thatis challenge is very great. but that is why we need to take the kind of robust action that we are and we have put in place in the last six months under rishi sunak , anas sarwar, suella sunak, anas sarwar, suella braverman and myself , one of the braverman and myself, one of the most comprehensive and robust plans of any major european country we've signed to two important agreements with france. there's going to mean more interceptions on the beaches. fact, 33,000 illegal beaches. in fact, 33,000 illegal migrants have been stopped on

beachesin migrants have been stopped on beaches in france in the last year alone. a 40% increase on the year before. we've now got a gold standard returns agreement with albania. that means our weekly flight sending people back albania to minister. back to albania to minister. when will you deport somebody to rwanda?— when will you deport somebody to rwanda? wnen— when will you deport somebody to rwanda? when you _ when will you deport somebody to rwanda? when you say that you've got rwanda? when you say that you've poo-gore— rwanda? when you say that you've got-gold standard— rwanda? when you say that you've got gold standard that's got this gold standard that's not now— got this gold standard that's not now in— got this gold standard that's not how it feels— got this gold standard that's not how it feels from the voters porno— not how it feels from the voters pomp—peer- not how it feels from the voters point—feel that. point of view. they feel that mere-e— point of view. they feel that there'sllack_ point of view. they feel that there's l lack of _ point of view. they feel that there's lack of control of our there's a lack of control of our poroere. — there's a lack of control of our borders. they're— there's a lack of control of our borders. they're worried about the borders. they're worried about one repor— borders. they're worried about the legal migration figure of 606.000— the legal migration figure of 606,000 when— the legal migration figure of 606,000 when david cameron put a cap on— 606,000 when david cameron put a cap on nwmerep— 606,000 when david cameron put a cap on numbers at— 606,000 when david cameron put a cap on numbers at 100,000. so we— cap on numbers at 100,000. so we noo— cap on numbers at 100,000. so we not o— cap on numbers at 100,000. so we not o gore— cap on numbers at 100,000. so it's not a gold standard. it's green— it's not a gold standard. it's great onen— it's not a gold standard. it's great that you've been jet eenrne — great that you've been jet setting around— great that you've been jet setting around to see and share peer— setting around to see and share peer preope— setting around to see and share best practise, but— setting around to see and share best practise, but when are we going— best practise, but when are we going oo— best practise, but when are we gone ro eee— best practise, but when are we going to see migrants deported to going to see migrants deported oo-e— going to see migrants deported oo-e con— going to see migrants deported oo-e can you- going to see migrants deported to-? can you give- going to see migrants deported to ? can you give us to rwanda? can you give us a one— to rwanda? can you give us a one e— to rwanda? can you give us a one eweu— to rwanda? can you give us a date ? well well,— to rwanda? can you give us a date ? well well, we'll get those date? well well, we'll get those meme— date? well well, we'll get those meme pomp— date? well well, we'll get those meme pomp ro— date? well well, we'll get those flights going to rwanda as soon as flights going to rwanda as soon oe we eer— flights going to rwanda as soon as we get through— flights going to rwanda as soon as we get through the courts . as we get through the courts. acos— as we get through the courts. aces wnen — as we get through the courts. acas when will— as we get through the courts. acas when will that- as we get through the courts. acas when will that be?- as we get through the courts. acas when will that be? we're getting the bill through parliament. well, i can't give you a date because we don't know when the courts, when we'll hear from the courts, but pleased that the but i'm very pleased that the high court resoundingly supported the government's policy, said it was legal. all

of those people who said it wasn't were proven wrong. the court of appeal has heard our case. for their case. we're waiting for their judgement and we will get those flights the air as we flights in the air as soon as we possibly and the bill that possibly can. and the bill that i'm through parliament i'm piloting through parliament funds mentally the funds mentally changes the system can't just system because you can't just with system. it is today. with this system. it is today. there is flagrant abuse of the system. we need an entirely different one. and the system that we're building is one where if you come illegally, you will not be allowed to stay here. can you put some figures on it? men— can you put some figures on it? men were— can you put some figures on it? then there were— can you put some figures on it? then there were 45,000 people coming— then there were 45,000 people coming-illegally— then there were 45,000 people coming illegally across the coming in illegally across the cnonner— coming in illegally across the channel last— coming in illegally across the channel last year. what number enorm— channel last year. what number enowro onen— channel last year. what number should that be— channel last year. what number should that be reduced to and on one— should that be reduced to and on one 606.000— should that be reduced to and on this, 606,000 legal— should that be reduced to and on this, 606,000 legal immigrants , this, 606,000 legal immigrants, wnor— this, 606,000 legal immigrants, wnon enorm— this, 606,000 legal immigrants, what should that— this, 606,000 legal immigrants, what should that number be copped— what should that number be copper on — what should that number be capped at? well,- what should that number be capped at? �*cw�*cgc cw“ g capped at? well, on illegal migration and the boats, we've been as clear as possible. we said we want to stop the boats. we want to stop people making these crossings. so will that figure — these crossings. so will that more be — these crossings. so will that figure be zero— these crossings. so will that figure be zero next- f “35 so will that figure be zero next year on every— figure be zero next year on every possible— figure be zero next year on every possible front ? �*cw�*cgc every possible front? well, i wom— every possible front? well, i went oo— every possible front? well, i went to erop— every possible front? well, i want to stop the boats . i mean,

want to stop the boats. i mean, thatis want to stop the boats. i mean, that is what i'm working day and night on with the prime minister and the home secretary and we want stop making these want to stop people making these dangerous and unnecessary crossings. and that's why we're taking action diplomatically with the new bill that's going through parliament. that's why we're boosting for the we're boosting funding for the police. i was in police. that's why i was in nonh police. that's why i was in north africa week. we're north africa this week. so we're getting national crime getting the national crime agency the gangs agency to be smashing the gangs before get anywhere near before people get anywhere near the uk and on legal migration, it is far too high and i want to see it come down. so what illegal migration on this scale is unsustainable ? well, we've is unsustainable? well, we've said very clearly that we want to see it fall . i want to see it to see it fall. i want to see it fall substantially because it's putting pressure on housing, on pubuc putting pressure on housing, on public services , on integration public services, on integration and businesses is although, of course, we need to show flexibility, need to be helping british workers to get into the workplace, to help people to train and get the skills they need rather than reaching for the easy lever of foreign labour. so are you happy to have a labour. so are you happy to have poop— labour. so are you happy to have poop ro— labour. so are you happy to have poop o nome— labour. so are you happy to have poop ro oorne 7— labour. so are you happy to have a cap to doing ? are— ” so are you happy to have a cap to doing ? are you happy to a cap to doing? are you happy to newe— a cap to doing? are you happy to nowe o— a cap to doing? are you happy to nowe o cope— a cap to doing? are you happy to have a cap? and— a cap to doing? are you happy to have a cap? and what should it

be? — have a cap? and what should it be? wen.— have a cap? and what should it be? weu. ._ have a cap? and what should it be? well, i don't— have a cap? and what should it be? well, i don't think- have a cap? and what should it be? �*cw�*cgc ccw“ . be? well, i don't think that arbitrary caps and targets are particularly helpful. what i do think is important is that now that we have well , because that we have well, because migration is constantly changing , we need the flexibility to respond to changes in the economy or in patterns of behaviour . economy or in patterns of behaviour. but the good news is that we've now got control of our borders . after leaving the our borders. after leaving the european union, we've created the points based system and unlike all of those previous governments who made promises that they couldn't keep because of free movement , we have the of free movement, we have the ability now to make changes. and so weeks ago we made one of so two weeks ago we made one of those changes, which is to say that if you are a universe student coming here from overseas on a short course, you won't be able to bring dependents with you, and that will reduce substantially the number of people coming in to this country. and that's just one tangible example . all of us one tangible example. all of us using the powers that we now have that we didn't have when we were members of european were members of the european union migration union to control our migration system . and if we should we

system. and if we should we leave, the eu will do. should we leave, the eu will do. should we leave one leave, the eu will do. should we reoweone- on— leave, the eu will do. should we leave-one of our- leave the echr one of our peopre-e— leave the echr one of our people's panellists, justin, wome— people's panellists, justin, wome me— people's panellists, justin, wants me i ask - people's panellists, justin, wants me ask you that wants me to ask you that oweenon— wants me to ask you that queenon — wants me to ask you that question on. well the bill that pwonne— question on. well the bill that we're piloting through parliament— we're piloting through parliament is compatible with our international— parliament is compatible with our international law obligations,- our international law obligations, so i hope that we-u— obligations, so i hope that we-u pe— obligations, so i hope that we'll be able— obligations, so i hope that we'll be able to get those treme— we'll be able to get those meme on— we'll be able to get those flights off to _ we'll be able to get those flights off to rwanda and pooreee— flights off to rwanda and address this— flights off to rwanda and address this issue within the ewrrem— address this issue within the current framework. c current framework. but look, enro— current framework. but look, we've said that we'll do what's necessary to stop the boats because the public want to because the public want us to secure borders and the secure our borders and the international frameworks that were created after the second world war are now out of date and need to be renewed and reimagined for an age of mass migration . ian that's what the migration. ian that's what the uk is doing and we are a leader in this field . we've created our in this field. we've created our rwanda policy and other governments, including in europe , are looking to it with interest and seeing that the uk is taking very robust action to tackle this problem . minister tackle this problem. minister elon tackle this problem. minister eron wnen— tackle this problem. minister elon musk, the— tackle this problem. minister elon musk, the head- tackle this problem. minister elon musk, the head of- f minister elon musk, the head of twitter eno— elon musk, the head of twitter and indeed— elon musk, the head of twitter and indeed tesla,— elon musk, the head of twitter and indeed tesla, has described the and indeed tesla, has described rne rerepropn— and indeed tesla, has described the telegraph story, talking anom— the telegraph story, talking about me— the telegraph story, talking about the counter disinformation

unn— about the counter disinformation wnn epyrnp— about the counter disinformation wnn epyrng on— about the counter disinformation unit spying on lockdown critics as unit spying on lockdown critics oe tempte— unit spying on lockdown critics oe rernpre .— unit spying on lockdown critics as terrible . do— unit spying on lockdown critics as terrible . do you agree with as terrible. do you agree with mme— as terrible. do you agree with mm? mm— as terrible. do you agree with him? this needs— as terrible. do you agree with him? this needs to be investigated,- him? this needs to be investigated, doesn't it? well, i investigated, doesn't it? well, r renewe— investigated, doesn't it? well, r pewewe m— investigated, doesn't it? well, i believe in free— investigated, doesn't it? well, i believe in free speech. i non-r— i believe in free speech. i don't believe— i believe in free speech. i don't believe in- i believe in free speech. i don't believe in government or other people clamping down on the ability of individuals to speak their mind on the issues of the day as i was the government sanctioning social media companies to silence those who were critical of lockdown, theni who were critical of lockdown, then i well , who were critical of lockdown, then i well, as i understand it, the story isn't correct. and that this unit did not take action against any individual, that there was a very clear policy that no journalist or politician should ever be monitored. but that didn't happen, did it? mrjenrick neeowee— happen, did it? mrjenrick because we had- happen, did it? mrjenrick because we had we- c c 7 mrjenrick because we had we had a mention— because we had we had a situation where- because we had we had a situation where david davis had given— situation where david davis had given o— situation where david davis had pwen o epeeen— situation where david davis had given a speech talking about the efficacy— given a speech talking about the efficacy of— given a speech talking about the efficacy of face— given a speech talking about the efficacy of face masks, and roeepoow— efficacy of face masks, and facebook took _ efficacy of face masks, and facebook took it- efficacy of face masks, and facebook took it down without any— facebook took it down without any justification— facebook took it down without any justification ._ facebook took it down without any justification . we've got any justification. we've got eooror— any justification. we've got social media— any justification. we've got social media companies ooneronwy— social media companies constantly monitoring output and mowing— constantly monitoring output and manner memory— constantly monitoring output and making arbitrary decisions about peneowy— making arbitrary decisions about perfectly legitimate journalistic stories. so what

por— journalistic stories. so what pot re— journalistic stories. so what we've got is an— journalistic stories. so what we've got is an over monitoring of we've got is an over monitoring on free— we've got is an over monitoring on free epeeon— we've got is an over monitoring on free epeeon m— we've got is an over monitoring of free speech in this country mor— of free speech in this country mm meet— of free speech in this country that must really— of free speech in this country that must really worry you as a commonwe— that must really worry you as a conservative. yeah,— that must really worry you as a conservative. yeah, i believe in free— conservative. yeah, i believe in free epeeen. — conservative. yeah, i believe in free epeeen. r— conservative. yeah, i believe in free speech. i want- conservative. yeah, i believe in free speech. c c. free speech. i want politicians and members of the public, you as a journalist to be able to speak your mind without fear or favour. as i understand it, this unit within the cabinet office did not monitor specific individuals . but on the broader individuals. but on the broader point , we believe individuals. but on the broader point, we believe in individuals. but on the broader point , we believe in free speech point, we believe in free speech as a government that's one of the tenants of this the great tenants of this country should always country and we should always fight that. first minister, fight for that. first minister, finer—none- fight for that. first minister,- final_boris johnson, final question on boris johnson, wno— final question on boris johnson, wnoioon— final question on boris johnson, wnoioon newer— final question on boris johnson, who can never quite leave who we can never quite leave penne— who we can never quite leave penrno. een— who we can never quite leave behind, even though the government— behind, even though the government might move on, he's ewegeennp— government might move on, he's ewegeennplm— government might move on, he's suggesting, at least his suggesting, or at least his puree—mow suggesting, or at least his- allies—that rishi allies are suggesting that rishi senor—nono- allies are suggesting that rishi. sunak—hand over sunak doesn't want to hand over his sunak doesn't want to hand over nre-meeeoeee- sunak doesn't want to hand over his-messages to- sunak doesn't want to hand over his messages to the his whatsapp messages to the baroness-inquiry- his whatsapp messages to the baroness inquiry into baroness hallett inquiry into cowo— baroness hallett inquiry into covid because— baroness hallett inquiry into covid because he's got something to covid because he's got something no more.— covid because he's got something no more. noe— covid because he's got something no more. we ne— covid because he's got something to hide. has he got— covid because he's got something to hide. has he got something to more?— to hide. has he got something to more wr— to hide. has he got something to hide? mr jenrick— to hide. has he got something to hide? mrjenrick no . hide? mrjenrick no. what we've enro— hide? mrjenrick no. what we've end re— hide? mrjenrick no. what we've said is that we will hand over to the inquiry absolutely anything that has got anything to do with covid 19 or the purpose of the inquiry where

there is a small disagreement is around handing over documents or messages that have got nothing , messages that have got nothing, absolutely nothing to do with covid. and as a former lawyer , covid. and as a former lawyer, i've been involved in these these discovery exercises in the past. and what courts do in these situations is ask individuals or business is to hand over documents that are relevant to the inquiry or the case. thank you very much indeed for your time this morning. thank you .

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labour mp for warrington north. she's raised some serious. concerns-treatment she's raised some serious- concerns-treatment of concerns about the treatment of female— concerns about the treatment of female mps— concerns about the treatment of female we in— concerns about the treatment of female mps in parliament. charme— female mps in parliament. charlotte let— female mps in parliament. charlotte let me just start with a simple— charlotte let me just start with a simple question— charlotte let me just start with a simple question why are female mee— a simple question why are female we safe— a simple question why are female we eefe ee— a simple question why are female mps safe to work— a simple question why are female mps safe to work in— a simple question why are female mps safe to work in parliament? i een-e— mps safe to work in parliament? i een-e week— mps safe to work in parliament? | don't think that— mps safe to work in parliament? i don't think that female mps are:— i don't think that female mps w— i don't think that female mps we ._ i don't think that female mps are, but i think— i don't think that female mps are, but i think that the people we— are, but i think that the people we ee— are, but i think that the people that are most— are, but i think that the people that are most at— are, but i think that the people that are most at risk are parliamentary- that are most at risk are parliamentary staff, particularly young women and young— particularly young women and young gay— particularly young women and young gay men— particularly young women and young gay men or men. 37�*cliffiiil young gay men or men. perceived to young gay men or men. perceived e be— young gay men or men. perceived e be gay— young gay men or men. perceived to be gay who have the least power in the institution, the most at risk and have the least form of redress of any of us. and you've raised concerns pewewew— and you've raised concerns particularly about your own party's— particularly about your own party's handling of misconduct, compleme— party's handling of misconduct, eemplame ef— party's handling of misconduct, complaints of sexual abuse, eemplame— complaints of sexual abuse, eemplame .— complaints of sexual abuse, complaints . yes.- complaints of sexual abuse, complaints . yes. that's complaints. yes. that's alweaely— complaints. yes. that's obviously following gareth dawes— obviously following gareth davies being— obviously following gareth davies being investigated. do you— davies being investigated. do you wal— davies being investigated. do you think that— davies being investigated. do you think that labour has got a woman problem— you think that labour has got a woman problem or a hypocrisy problem?— woman problem or a hypocrisy problem? what's— woman problem or a hypocrisy problem? what's the deal here mm— problem? what's the deal here we yam— problem? what's the deal here we yam elm— problem? what's the deal here with your own party? i think the eme— with your own party? i think the ef— with your own party? i think the issue of sexual— with your own party? i think the issue of sexual harassment and eeaal— issue of sexual harassment and sexual misconduct— issue of sexual harassment and sexual misconduct is unfortunate , baled— sexual misconduct is unfortunate , lalea me— sexual misconduct is unfortunate , baked into every— sexual misconduct is unfortunate , baked into every single part of law— , baked into every single part of mem me— , baked into every single part of how the institution of westminster— of how the institution of westminster operates. \li:l westminster operates. no party has clean— westminster operates. no party has clean hands on this . but one

has clean hands on this. but one of the things that i'm concerned aboutis of the things that i'm concerned about is that i do expect my own party to be better. and we're not having the ability to have the moral high ground at the moment because we can't even keep house order . and keep our own house in order. and on a personal level and a professional level, find it professional level, i find it deeply, deeply upsetting. and frankly, if people aren't willing to their own willing to call their own parties out , they're willing willing to call their own pa point>ut , they're willing willing to call their own pa point fingers they're willing willing to call their own pa point fingers at|ey're willing willing to call their own pa point fingers at otherwilling to point fingers at other parties, you don't actually care about sexual harassment or sexual misconduct. you care about scoring political points . about scoring political points. and charlotte, when you say that abom— and charlotte, when you say that aleal keeping— and charlotte, when you say that about keeping your— and charlotte, when you say that about keeping your own house in areal— about keeping your own house in area war— about keeping your own house in area rmar aa— about keeping your own house in order, what do you— about keeping your own house in order, what do you mean? that women-forward- order, what do you mean? that women forward they're women come forward and they're not women come forward and they're mar-seawee— not taking seriously. they're farmed— not taking seriously. they're raaaea am.— not taking seriously. they're fobbed off. they're told, oh, well— fobbed off. they're told, oh, well, unfortunately that's just war— well, unfortunately that's just what westminster is like. what's the what westminster is like. what's ale—rau- the sort of environment if you do the sort of environment if you era-camerama- the sort of environment if you aa-eamplamr ,- the sort of environment if you do-complaint , it- the sort of environment if you do-complaint , it i. the sort of environment if you do complaint, it i think do make a complaint, it i think the do make a complaint, it i think me mam— do make a complaint, it i think the main thing— do make a complaint, it i think the main thing is— do make a complaint, it i think the main thing is that within westminster— the main thing is that within westminster our— the main thing is that within westminster our whips, the party as an institution— westminster our whips, the party as an institution and westminster as an institution melee— westminster as an institution hides behind— westminster as an institution hides behind processes that dam-r— hides behind processes that aam-r warl— hides behind processes that don't work as— hides behind processes that don't work as a— hides behind processes that don't work as a reason for maerlam. — don't work as a reason for inaction. there- don't work as a reason for inaction. "lira; inaction. there have been concerns raised about a number

of colleagues over a very long penod of colleagues over a very long period at and the party have always said that they can't do anything about it in the absence of a formal complaint. and yet miraculously, when the news about guarente broke the other day , the party were able to take day, the party were able to take action and suspend him before a formal complaint had been made. so when they haven't done that, in other cases that they know full well about, in other cases that they know full well about , they're full well about, they're choosing not to act . but when choosing not to act. but when you say rall— choosing not to act. but when you say full well— choosing not to act. but when you say full well about- t r; elf but when you say full well about i t g elf but when you say full well about i mean, alwaaely— you say full well about i mean, alwaaelr we— you say full well about i mean, obviously we know— you say full well about i mean, obviously we know situations where— obviously we know situations where were— obviously we know situations where there are— obviously we know situations where there are rumours that precede— where there are rumours that precede a— where there are rumours that precede a complaint, but you do mare— precede a complaint, but you do have ra— precede a complaint, but you do have ra walr— precede a complaint, but you do have to wait for— precede a complaint, but you do have to wait for the— precede a complaint, but you do have to wait for the complaint to have to wait for the complaint ra ae— have to wait for the complaint ra ae largel— have to wait for the complaint to be lodged. otherwise we might emer— to be lodged. otherwise we might emrer-remram— to be lodged. otherwise we might enter territory where some enter into territory where some we— enter into territory where some we-r-aer— enter into territory where some we-r-aer me— enter into territory where some mps just the victim a mps are just the victim of a pallrleal— mps are just the victim of a political witch— mps are just the victim of a political witch hunt. i don't amal— political witch hunt. i don't rmml mar— political witch hunt. i don't think that is— political witch hunt. i don't think that is the case. 'r: political witch hunt. i don't think that is the case. ' r: think that is the case. and one of think that is the case. and one at me— think that is the case. and one of the things that we do see is that because of the way that the systems in westminster, as i said, three failing systems, you have the independent complaints and grievance scheme, which is the parliamentary scheme, you have the party scheme and you have the party scheme and you have going to the police as your

options. if you have experienced something. but one of the main issues with all three of those things is that unless the person that it directly happened to is willing to make a report and there's a million reasons why someone might not feel able to at the time that it happens, even people who witnessed it aren't able to come forward, let alone people who have been told something by another person about what someone did to them. you can't unknow that information, but you're not empowered to do anything with it through those structures and systems that we've got. and that's the thing that makes people really unsafe within westminster because you know about people that are predators, frankly . yes. and they are frankly. yes. and they are allowed to continue walking about the place because sometimes their victims are so scared of coming forward that effectively they've got free rein to continue doing it. charlotte, i can hear in your race— charlotte, i can hear in your marr— charlotte, i can hear in your voice how passionate you are aaaar— voice how passionate you are aaaar me— voice how passionate you are about this issue— voice how passionate you are about this issue and how personally— about this issue and how personally you- about this issue and how personally you are feeling it. have— personally you are feeling it. have-personally-

personally you are feeling it. have personally been failed have you personally been failed by me— have you personally been failed by we seem— have you personally been failed by the system? can you tell me anything— by the system? can you tell me amymmg aaaar— by the system? can you tell me anything about that without mrraame— anything about that withouti intruding—your anything about that without- intruding_your own intruding too much into your own privacy— intruding too much into your own prrraey e — intruding too much into your own prrraey e ream— intruding too much into your own prrraey e ream r— intruding too much into your own privacy ? “in?" " privacy? yeah, i mean, i've raised concerns with my whips about a number of colleagues. i've mentioned previously that when i first came into parliament, i was given a list of about 30 mps to stay away from. this was people that i should never accept a drink from, should never be alone with, never in a car with, should never get in a car with, should never get in a car with lift with. and this with or in a lift with. and this was from all different was mps from all different parties, including a handful from and as much as from my own and as much as i found that shocking at the time, you know, that's approximate 5% of my colleagues that i've been told that i'm not safe around . told that i'm not safe around. and i really thought, as someone who is member parliament who is a member of parliament and institute mission and within the institute mission and within the institute mission and hierarchy of westminster is relatively high up and protected because of that . how much worse because of that. how much worse it would be if you're a junior member of staff, if you're an intern, if you're a junior reporter in the lobby who comes into parliament in your first week and is told the thing when

you said about not accepting dnnks you said about not accepting drinks , the suggestion was being drinks, the suggestion was being that maybe there could be mps in parliament that would be spiking dnnks parliament that would be spiking drinks to make their female colleagues more vulnerable . colleagues more vulnerable. well , it's not just female well, it's not just female ealleagaee— well, it's not just female colleagues, it's as i said, young— colleagues, it's as i said, young gay— colleagues, it's as i said, young gay men and men perceived to young gay men and men perceived ra ae— young gay men and men perceived ra be gay— young gay men and men perceived ra be gay ae— young gay men and men perceived to be gay as well. _ young gay men and men perceived to be gay as well. c to be gay as well. it's something that we have seen happen. something that we have seen happen . and one of the people happen. and one of the people who is currently not allowed on the parliamentary estate , it's the parliamentary estate, it's because he was spiking people's dnnks because he was spiking people's drinks and assaulting them is booze in general a problem on the westminster estate ? do you the westminster estate? do you think, for instance,— the westminster estate? do you think, for instance, that- think, for instance, that aleamal— think, for instance, that alcohol should just not be sold in westminster?— alcohol should just not be sold in westminster? yeah i think mar— in westminster? yeah i think mar mere— in westminster? yeah i think that there is— in westminster? yeah i think that there is part of the issue were— that there is part of the issue where alcohol— that there is part of the issue where alcohol does play into it, but where alcohol does play into it, am r— where alcohol does play into it, am r wal— where alcohol does play into it, but i think actually the systems and arableme— but i think actually the systems and problems run— but i think actually the systems and problems run much deeper mam— and problems run much deeper mam mar— and problems run much deeper mam mar . — and problems run much deeper than that . you— and problems run much deeper than that . /r:::r. and problems run much deeper than that. /r:::r. gt, and problems run much deeper than that. /r:::r. wig than that. you have very late night sittings. than that. you have very late night sittings . you have a real night sittings. you have a real blurring of personal and professional boundaries. you have mps all acting as 650 individual employers for their team with no real support or

oversight. all mps are considered to be self—employed , considered to be self—employed, which means that we're not actually accountable to anyone other than when it comes to election time. our constituents and all of these sorts of things bake in those problems . then bake in those problems. then when you add in the fact that the systems for redress don't work, that's a really toxic combination . but actually the combination. but actually the majority of instances that we see of bullying, harassment and sexual harassment actually happen a long way away from parliamentary bars. i've had it where it's happened to me in meetings during the middle of the working day. i've had colleagues do things like inappropriate touching, you know , their hand on your leg or on your back or making comments towards you and on someone that, as i said, within the hierarchy of westminster is relatively protected by virtue of being an mp. so how much worse it must be if you're someone who has less power in the institution, where you're more likely to experience it and even less able to speak

out when it happens . have you out when it happens. have you been discussing— out when it happens. have you been discussing this— out when it happens. have you been discussing this in- “ c have you been discussing this in depth walr— been discussing this in depth wm me— been discussing this in depth with the labour— been discussing this in depth with the labour leader keir srarmere— with the labour leader keir starmer? is— with the labour leader keir starmer? is he— with the labour leader keir starmer? is he taking your concerns seriously? what aeeaeelame— concerns seriously? what discussions have you had with mm— discussions have you had with em aaaar— discussions have you had with him about this— discussions have you had with him about this ? _ discussions have you had with him about this ? c “relr: him about this? i haven't had any discussions with keir starmer about this, although i have spoken to my whips and to other party colleagues on a number of occasions . is that number of occasions. is that because you haven't- tt is that because you haven't been able to schedule— because you haven't been able to schedulelmeeting_ because you haven't been able to schedule meeting him or schedule a meeting with him or he schedule a meeting with him or me mam-r— schedule a meeting with him or he hasn't taken— schedule a meeting with him or he hasn't taken enough interest 7 he hasn't taken enough interest e—rale— he hasn't taken enough interest ?_take-interest| ? should he take more interest in ? should he take more interest m-e— ? should he take more interest law r— ? should he take more interest law r wal— ? should he take more interest in-? i think he— ? should he take more interest in ? i think he should take in this? i think he should take more interest— in this? i think he should take more interest in— in this? i think he should take more interest in it, as i think we malla— more interest in it, as i think we should see— more interest in it, as i think we should see from our parties leaaeremp— we should see from our parties leadership within— we should see from our parties leadership within the party. so our leadership within the party. so general— leadership within the party. so our general secretary, - leadership within the party. so our general secretary, for- our general secretary, for example , our governance and example, our governance and legal unit, all of these bodies that are meant to be responsible for enforcing standards, for making sure that people are behaving in a proper way because as much as i've got tonnes of respect for journalists like esther weber, aggie chonburi , esther weber, aggie chonburi, cat neelan and others who've been shining a light on this problem recently , it isn't their problem recently, it isn't their job to make sure that mps are

behaving properly . it's our behaving properly. it's our whips, our parties and parliament that need to be doing that. yes. parliament that need to be doing that . yes. and isn't there an that. yes. and isn't there an irony?— that. yes. and isn't there an irony? sevilla_ that. yes. and isn't there an irony? sevilla just- yes. and isn't there an irony? sevilla just to finish mare— irony? sevilla just to finish mare re— irony? sevilla just to finish that? it's usually the female we— that? it's usually the female we ama— that? it's usually the female mps and indeed— that? it's usually the female mps and indeed female journalists— mps and indeed female journalists who shine a light on tree— journalists who shine a light on tree same— journalists who shine a light on these sorts of— journalists who shine a light on these sorts of stories . these sorts of stories. absolutely. - these sorts of stories. absolutely. and i hope that our male— absolutely. and i hope that our male colleagues— absolutely. and i hope that our male colleagues will start ramme— male colleagues will start ralmg me— male colleagues will start taking this issue much more eerlaaelr— taking this issue much more seriously rather— taking this issue much more seriously rather than leaving it to seriously rather than leaving it ra ae— seriously rather than leaving it ra ae ra— seriously rather than leaving it ra ae ra rm— seriously rather than leaving it ra ae ra rm ra— seriously rather than leaving it to us to try to sort— seriously rather than leaving it to us to try to sort out. thank you— to us to try to sort out. thank you very— to us to try to sort out. thank you very much indeed for your time this morning. charlotte nichols. now,— time this morning. charlotte nichols. now, don't- time this morning. charlotte nichols. now, don't go- c “3 charlotte nichols. now, don't go anywhere, aeeaaee— nichols. now, don't go anywhere, because-me— nichols. now, don't go anywhere, because the telegraph's because after the telegraph's aamlerrell— because after the telegraph's bombshell story— because after the telegraph's bombshell story yesterday, i'm going— bombshell story yesterday, i'm going-be— bombshell story yesterday, i'm going be speaking the going to be speaking to the male— going to be speaking to the mother-spied- going to be speaking to the mother spied on by going to be speaking to the- mother- spied on by the mother who was spied on by the emera— mother who was spied on by the british government for campaigning against school. closures—pandemic. closures during the pandemic. wel— closures during the pandemic. war-—

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throughout the— this now, i've been tasting it throughout the show, and i'm aellemea— throughout the show, and i'm delighted now— throughout the show, and i'm delighted now to be joined by wally— delighted now to be joined by molly kingsleyr_ delighted now to be joined by molly kingsley, who's founder of us molly kingsley, who's founder of aelmem— molly kingsley, who's founder of aelmemlrma— molly kingsley, who's founder of us them who campaigned molly kingsley, who's founder of us tischool/ho campaigned molly kingsley, who's founder of us tischoolclosuresraigned molly kingsley, who's founder of us tischool closures during against school closures during the against school closures during me aamlemle— against school closures during the pandemic. now, as i've said, we— the pandemic. now, as i've said, melaaaar— the pandemic. now, as i've said, this about telegraph story this is about a telegraph story lawma— this is about a telegraph story talking about— this is about a telegraph story talking about how the counter disinformation— talking about how the counter disinformation unit, talking about how the counter disinformation unit , that's the disinformation unit, that's the gaermmemer— disinformation unit, that's the government's looking into government's unit looking into aeaple— government's unit looking into people ama— government's unit looking into people area are— government's unit looking into people who are perhaps critical or people who are perhaps critical ar eeearleal— people who are perhaps critical or sceptical lockdown, spied or sceptical of lockdown, spied on or sceptical of lockdown, spied am people— or sceptical of lockdown, spied am people lrle— or sceptical of lockdown, spied on people like molly. the first palm— on people like molly. the first palm e— on people like molly. the first palm e la— on people like molly. the first point is it wasn't— on people like molly. the first point is it wasn't just me. i mere— point is it wasn't just me. i mean, there was- point is it wasn't just me. i mean, there was quite a big group— mean, there was quite a big group-i— mean, there was quite a big 9roup-l mme- mean, there was quite a big- group-i think,-became group of us, i think, who became mar mer— group of us, i think, who became aware, not just from _ group of us, i think, who became aware, not just from us for them aeraalla— aware, not just from us for them aeraalla-lmara - aware, not just from us for them actually, know, group actually, but, you know, a group of actually, but, you know, a group ar-aeelaem— actually, but, you know, a group of dissident journalists of kind of dissident journalists ama— of kind of dissident journalists are—arme- of kind of dissident journalists. and-critics-might and outspoken critics who might mare— and outspoken critics who might mare-mar— and outspoken critics who might mare-mar-r- have been in that group. i swear— have been in that group. i aaapeea yea— have been in that group. i suspect you might- have been in that group. i suspect you might have professor carl henaghan have been carl henaghan would have been another . anyone sort of another you. anyone sort of ramme— another you. anyone sort of raremg amy— another you. anyone sort of voicing any concerns- anyone sort of voicing any concerns about the efficacy— voicing any concerns about the efficacy ar— voicing any concerns about the efficacy of face— voicing any concerns about the efficacy of face masks over mass vaeemarlam — efficacy of face masks over mass vaeemarlam ar— efficacy of face masks over mass vaccination of children and not by vaccination of children and not lay me— vaccination of children and not lay are way,— vaccination of children and not lay are way, m— vaccination of children and not lay are way, m a— vaccination of children and not by the way, in a conspiracy weary— by the way, in a conspiracy weary war,— by the way, in a conspiracy team may, mer— by the way, in a conspiracy theory way, just saying, is it mem— theory way, just saying, is it mam mar— theory way, just saying, is it right that we're— theory way, just saying, is it right that we're vaccinating mme— right that we're vaccinating year— right that we're vaccinating nine year olds,_ right that we're vaccinating nine year olds, even equally aeaple— nine year olds, even equally people ama— nine year olds, even equally people who were— nine year olds, even equally people who were talking about rmemer— people who were talking about whether schools _ people who were talking about whether schools should be closed at whether schools should be closed ar alle— whether schools should be closed ar we r— whether schools should be closed ar we r meara— whether schools should be closed at all? i mean, these are people walr— at all? i mean, these are people we aerreerly— at all? i mean, these are people with perfectly valid opinions. were— with perfectly valid opinions. were mar— with perfectly valid opinions. we're not talking about extremists— we're not talking about extremists here sending out anal—var— extremists here sending out anti—vax messages . \rr:::r extremists here sending out

anti—vax messages. \r:::r extremists here sending out anti—vax messages. \rt:r ”rt; anti—vax messages. no, no, we're mar.— anti—vax messages. no, no, we're not. and actually, it's really interesting that you use that word extreme . um, because word extreme. um, because actually what i would say is that many us were arguing that many of us were arguing really moderate really for the moderate position. so you know, before 2020, if you had talked about isolating buy isolating children, buy themselves for weeks on end, if you talked about masking children for eight hours, you know , each day, including in know, each day, including in lessons and if you talked about giving children , you know, a giving children, you know, a novel medical intervention when there was no real benefit for many of those children. well, actually, that would have been considered an extreme position. and what i feel we were doing, you know, i asked for them colleagues, was saying, whoa, you no, this. this you know, no, like this. this isn't right. the reasonable position here is, is to challenge is to ask for the evidence and is to say, you know, have harms been considered and actually, it was that view that i think we're seeing was, well, we know it was being spied on.andi well, we know it was being spied on. and i think we can infer that there must have been some suppression, suppression . i suppression, suppression. i mean, know that. so our mean, we know that. so our

facebook them facebook group are us for them facebook group are us for them facebook group, quite frequently had slapped on it had warnings slapped on it saying, you know, you are circulating saying you're letting false information into the example was we the group. one example was we posted a daily mail article. so this is an article that had been in mainstream the article in mainstream and the article had about masking children had been about masking children and a potential link between carbon dioxide levels, dioxide levels and face masks on kids. and we shared that. and we'd had a warning slapped on the group saying, you know, your group is in of being lost. your in danger of being lost. your group's suppressed, which group's being suppressed, which means members won't see means other members won't see it. we know that of it. so we know that kind of suppression took place. likewise on twitter, many of us on twitter, i think many of us felt very odd that we felt it was very odd that we were saying things that were having an lot of traction having an awful lot of traction , like. so, you know, , it looked like. so, you know, tweets that being retweeted , it looked like. so, you know, tweets hundreds being retweeted , it looked like. so, you know, tweets hundreds betimestweeted , it looked like. so, you know, tweets hundreds betimestwee'yet maybe hundreds of times and yet follower up. follower numbers never went up. it very weird . i mean, we're it was very weird. i mean, we're reel— it was very weird. i mean, we're aeea ra— it was very weird. i mean, we're aeea ra mme— it was very weird. i mean, we're used to kind of— it was very weird. i mean, we're used to kind of seeing- c age, r: i mean, we're used to kind of seeing descent on used to kind of seeing descent am weer— used to kind of seeing descent on twitter because would used to kind of seeing descent on twittrthat cause would used to kind of seeing descent on twittrthat it'sse would used to kind of seeing descent on twittrthat it's probablyd suggest that it's probably largely— suggest that it's probably largely lear— suggest that it's probably largely left leaning. and the lem— largely left leaning. and the leer—ea- largely left leaning. and the left—go-fulll left seemed to go with full laelaarm— left seemed to go with full- lockdown _ people lockdown on steroids. and people ama— lockdown on steroids. and people area are— lockdown on steroids. and people who are more of— lockdown on steroids. and people who are more of a— lockdown on steroids. and people who are more of a conservative errale— who are more of a conservative errale ,— who are more of a conservative errale : mem— who are more of a conservative stroke , right wing— who are more of a conservative stroke , right wing persuasion stroke, right wing persuasioni

were—more about were talking a bit more about awl— were talking a bit more about civil liberties— were talking a bit more about civil liberties and all of these concerns. the— civil liberties and all of these concerns. the government , it concerns. the government, it malla— concerns. the government, it emaala ae— concerns. the government, it should be stressed, is denying mar— should be stressed, is denying mar sacral— should be stressed, is denying that social media— should be stressed, is denying that social media posts were aaerarerl— that social media posts were doctored, deleted or indeed, i wal— doctored, deleted or indeed, i war we— doctored, deleted or indeed, i think the word— doctored, deleted or indeed, i think the word is— doctored, deleted or indeed, i think the word is shadowbanned , think the word is shadowbanned, but think the word is shadowbanned, am la— think the word is shadowbanned, am re re— think the word is shadowbanned, am re re awe— think the word is shadowbanned, but it is quite sinister to know mar— but it is quite sinister to know mar sacral— but it is quite sinister to know that social media— but it is quite sinister to know that social media companies collaborated— that social media companies collaborated with the government over monitoring. _ collaborated with the government over monitoring. yes, it is emerer. — over monitoring. yes, it is sinister. and— over monitoring. yes, it is sinister. and i- over monitoring. yes, it is sinister. '“r: over monitoring. yes, it is- sinister. and i think, you know, although many of us knew it would happen, when i saw the list. so and i've got it here. i don't know if it's picks up on the camera, but you can see it's pages long. and this this was mainly is the organisations mainly is that the organisations that was that were monitored, this was just my just me. so this was just my comments , most of which were comments, most of which were either mainstream press or either in mainstream press or articles , some of them on articles, some of them on twitter. and you know, this is just one journalist and it's not even like i have a huge profile compared to many who would have been think what been monitored. and i think what strikes about this it's strikes me about this is it's like found out like what we've found out and what telegraph piece what the telegraph piece yesterday was probably what the telegraph piece yesttip ay was probably what the telegraph piece yesttip ay this was probably what the telegraph piece yesttip ay this vast was probably what the telegraph piece yesttip ay this vast iceberg obably what the telegraph piece yesttip ay this vast iceberg .bably what the telegraph piece yesttip ay this vast iceberg . we ly the tip of this vast iceberg. we only this because a few of only know this because a few of us of us submitted freedom of information act requests, essentially. and you subject

access requests— and you subject access requests wanted to access requests you wanted to eme— access requests you wanted to we aar— access requests you wanted to find out-much— access requests you wanted to find out-much-thel find out how much data the garemmemr— find out how much data the government held on you individually.— government held on you individually. and what did you ama— individually. and what did you rma—ei find out on that? well this is war—marl find out on that? well this is. war—ruse your what you found out. just your wale— what you found out. just your wale-ar— what you found out. just your whole of references. and if whole list of references. and if you look. yeah, if you look and i've circled a few. and so it's all eare— i've circled a few. and so it's all eare ar— i've circled a few. and so it's all sorts of comments- t. "1qu and so it's all sorts of comments that yam-e— all sorts of comments that yam-re made— all sorts of comments that you've made about schools or averreaerme— you've made about schools or overreacting covid risk. overreacting to the covid risk. mar— overreacting to the covid risk. mar-relearapm- overreacting to the covid risk. that telegraph article that was a telegraph article mar— that was a telegraph article. mar—flaggmg that you wrote. you're flagging aeam— that you wrote. you're flagging again, concerns— that you wrote. you're flagging again, concerns over face masks, wearer— again, concerns over face masks, wearer mer— again, concerns over face masks, whether they work— again, concerns over face masks, whether they work or not. i mean, there's— whether they work or not. i mean, there's nothing particularly- mean, there's nothing particularly controversial here. well— particularly controversial here. well. a— particularly controversial here. well. a lar— particularly controversial here. well. a lar ar— particularly controversial here. well, a lot of it— particularly controversial here. well, a lot of it is— particularly controversial here. well, a lot of it is unpalatable opinions. some of it, opinions. you know, some of it, i'd say, is fact. so on some occasions actually my one of occasions and actually my one of my directors, i mean , this is my directors, i mean, this is just one of my directors got flagged. and i'm just going to read actually, because read this out actually, because i think it's really interesting. she contacted she said she had been contacted by parents from more 100 by parents from more than 100 schools, that's a fact. it schools, so that's a fact. it was in an article reported in the telegraph and arabella skinner, my colleague, had said parents are totally distraught that schools parents are totally distraught that decided schools parents are totally distraught that decided they schools parents are totally distraught that decided they williools parents are totally distraught that decided they will continue have decided they will continue with masks in with end with masks in class with no end in was in 2022, so in sight. this was in 2022, so this was fact and it was a strong opinion from one of my

directors. and actually what the government is flagging here or what this unit is flagging is opinions are unpalatable . opinions which are unpalatable. well, you know, this isn't misinformation. you well, you know, this isn't misinformation . you know, also misinformation. you know, also we— misinformation. you know, also are e— misinformation. you know, also are e perry— misinformation. you know, also this is pretty innocuous- misinformation. you know, also this is pretty innocuous .- “ you know, also this is pretty innocuous . molly this is pretty innocuous. molly lrmgeley— this is pretty innocuous. molly kingsley indefensible kingsley says it is indefensible mar— kingsley says it is indefensible that children's— kingsley says it is indefensible that children's lives are still mar— that children's lives are still mar-marmal- that children's lives are stilli not-normal-the that children's lives are still- not-normal-the rest not back to normal when the rest of not back to normal when the rest ar-e— not back to normal when the rest ar-e .— not back to normal when the rest ar-e . sme— not back to normal when the rest of-is . she urges- of society is. she urges ministers— of society is. she urges ministers make a clear ministers to make a clear erarememr— ministers to make a clear statement that- ministers to make a clear statement that children's extracurricular- extracurricular activities malla— extracurricular activities should not— extracurricular activities should not be subject to additional— should not be subject to additional kerbs. have you seen the additional kerbs. have you seen me dare— additional kerbs. have you seen the date controversial ? no. that the date controversial? no. that is the date controversial? no. that e me— the date controversial? no. that e me slam— the date controversial? no. that is the sixth of— the date controversial? no. that is the sixth of the— the date controversial? no. that is the sixth of the second 2022. so is the sixth of the second 2022. sa yar— is the sixth of the second 2022. sa yaa warl— is the sixth of the second 2022. so you know, this— is the sixth of the second 2022. so you know, this is kids lives mare— so you know, this is kids lives have been— so you know, this is kids lives have been disrupted by two years. — have been disrupted by two years r— have been disrupted by two years. i know. _ have been disrupted by two years. i know. it's- have been disrupted by two years. c t. “irrt; years. i know. it's unbelievable . isn't it going to take- years. c t. “j; isn't it going to take any . isn't it going to take any aerlam— . isn't it going to take any aerlam ae— . isn't it going to take any action over this?- isn't it going to take any action over this? position action over this? what position are—regard- action over this? what position are—regard ra- action over this? what position are—regard to sort. are you in with regard to sort of are you in with regard to sort ar-me— are you in with regard to sort of the government to of holding the government to aam— of holding the government to account—could. account on this? you could recommend that account on this? you could- recommend-that baroness account on this? you could- recomninaya-that baroness account on this? you could recomninaya investigatesbaroness account on this? you could recomninaya investigates the ness hallett inaya investigates the crane— hallett inaya investigates the counter disinformation unit in as parr— counter disinformation unit in as para ar— counter disinformation unit in as para a me— counter disinformation unit in as part of the covid inquiry. ream — as part of the covid inquiry. ream well— as part of the covid inquiry. yeah. well, i— as part of the covid inquiry. yeah. well, i mean,- as part of the covid inquiry. yeah. �*lfllr;t “ yeah. well, i mean, i think i think to and i think the think she has to and i think the problem with this can't problem with this is you can't undo censorship. i'm afraid undo censorship. and i'm afraid that reality is that that the stark reality is that for the best part of two years, you know, we have been living under condition where one under this condition where one narrative appears to have been being amplified. you know,

being amplified. so you know, that's a separate issue. but we know that certain outlets, know that certain news outlets, including the bbc, as you said, have taken a very pro lockdown view, platforming people view, not platforming people perhaps who are dissenters , perhaps who are dissenters, beanng perhaps who are dissenters, bearing in mind as well that the bbc had a role in this counter disinformation unit forum. what do you make of that? the- r: “ t. “ c what do you make of that? the state araaaeasrer— do you make of that? the state broadcaster is— do you make of that? the state broadcaster is involved in this? veal.— broadcaster is involved in this? veal. las— broadcaster is involved in this? yeah, it's interesting— broadcaster is involved in this? yeah, it's interesting ,- broadcaster is involved in this? yeah, it's interesting , isn't- yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? and it it's sinister. i think this is where it all gets very, very murky. and i think so i think hallett does need to investigate this. i think there must be accountability . the must be accountability. the first thing is we actually don't really know. you know, we're guessing aren't you guessing really, aren't we? you know, see we were spied know, we can see we were spied on. how much that on. but as to how much that translated, at all, into translated, if at all, into actual censorship , actual censorship, censorship, we don't know. we need to understand that. we also need to understand, think , who within understand, i think, who within government sanctioned this? i mean, i find it quite incredible to think that this wasn't sanctioned ministerial level. sanctioned at ministerial level. surely it must have been . but i surely it must have been. but i don't think we've yet heard a minister come out and said, you know, this was my brainchild,

someone needs to explain. and i think only we have the full think only when we have the full facts work out facts can we can we work out what about it. but it does what to do about it. but it does seem that on face, seem to me that on its face, this is absolutely to this is absolutely anathema to the principles of liberal democracy free speech. i democracy and free speech. i mean, what is going on here, molly kingsley, thank you very much for coming in for and sharing that paperwork with us. it's stuff. i'm it's fascinating stuff. i'm joined— it's fascinating stuff. i'm- joined _jackson. joined now by cindy jackson. she-s— joined now by cindy jackson. shes—mew- joined now by cindy jackson.| she's—new book she's just written a new book called— she's just written a new book. called—botched. called how not to get botched. now— called how not to get botched. nara-r— called how not to get botched. nara-r-yaa-ve- called how not to get botched. now,-i-you've hadi now, cindy, i know you've had various monikers_ now, cindy, i know you've had various monikers over the years now, cindy, i know you've had va the; monikers over the years now, cindy, i know you've had va the tabloid ers over the years now, cindy, i know you've had va the tabloid press.er the years now, cindy, i know you've had va the tabloid press. manyyears now, cindy, i know you've had va the tabloid press. many ofirs in the tabloid press. many of armam— in the tabloid press. many of warm-relear- in the tabloid press. many of which-reject and- in the tabloid press. many of which reject and you which you just reject and you lam-r— which you just reject and you lam-al— which you just reject and you don't-, described- which you just reject and you don't , described as don't like, described as a mmam— don't like, described as a human-people. don't like, described as a human. people started human. barbie people started ramarme— human. barbie people started torturing totting_ human. barbie people started torturing totting up how many praeeaares— torturing totting up how many praeeaares yar— torturing totting up how many procedures you had. grtrc procedures you had. i never got reamed— procedures you had. i never got reamed .— procedures you had. i never got botched . i never made mistakes . botched. i never made mistakes. and i see people nowadays as making so many errors in judgement and listening to misinformation that it's not the way i did it. and i would like to help people realise there are better ways. there is a correct way to go about it. well little by little, the number of dissatisfied patients has crept

up to the point where now it's an epidemic . up to the point where now it's an epidemic. i mean, it's quite incredible . and when i say incredible. and when i say botched , i mean people who have botched, i mean people who have spent too much, who just aren't happy, who don't look any different all the way to people who are disfigured for life . who are disfigured for life. and when you say disfigured, is war— and when you say disfigured, is war largely— and when you say disfigured, is that largely from _ and when you say disfigured, is that largely from surgical praeeaares— that largely from surgical procedures or— that largely from surgical procedures or are we talking aaaar— procedures or are we talking about-because- procedures or are we talking about because know about fillers? because i know you— about fillers? because i know yaaeameems—l about fillers? because i know. you—concerns about you raise serious concerns about fillers— you raise serious concerns about rlllers m— you raise serious concerns about rlllers m me— you raise serious concerns about fillers in the book.— you raise serious concerns about fillers in the book. _ you raise serious concerns about fillers in the book. lv/rt;~er fillers in the book. yes. some of me— fillers in the book. yes. some of the worst problems i've ever seen are from permanent fillers. they can cause systemic infections , which are very, very infections, which are very, very difficult to deal with. now, you say about how not— difficult to deal with. now, you say about how not to- difficult to deal with. now, you say about how not to get- say about how not to get sawed.— say about how not to get botched. what- say about how not to get botched. what are some of your top botched. what are some of your lap alps— botched. what are some of your lap was re— botched. what are some of your top tips if somebody does want top tips if somebody does want ra ga— top tips if somebody does want ra 90 rar— top tips if somebody does want ra 90 far a— top tips if somebody does want to go for a procedure, what's me— to go for a procedure, what's me mam— to go for a procedure, what's the main piece— to go for a procedure, what's the main piece of advice you give— the main piece of advice you give-the— the main piece of advice you give-the first- the main piece of advice you give the first piece give them? the first piece of awe— give them? the first piece of advice-biggest- give them? the first piece of advice biggest problem advice a&e the biggest problem warr— advice a&e the biggest problem we aeaple— advice a&e the biggest problem with people having unsatisfactory procedures is misinformation— unsatisfactory procedures is misinformation and you need to aaaale— misinformation and you need to double check,— misinformation and you need to double check, triple check everyrmme— double check, triple check everything you're told. l“ e everything you're told. don't just— everything you're told. don't just see— everything you're told. don't just see something online and 90, just see something online and go, oh , i'll act on that. and go, oh, i'll act on that. and thatis go, oh, i'll act on that. and that is rife even among really intelligent people who should

know better . a lot of the people know better. a lot of the people you know better. a lot of the people yaa mela— know better. a lot of the people yaa melp mave— know better. a lot of the people you help have gone— know better. a lot of the people you help have gone to- a lot of the people you help have gone to qualified surgeons, reputable people, and not surgeons, reputable people, and mar-flyw— surgeons, reputable people, and mar-flymeira- surgeons, reputable people, and not flying to turkey not kind of flying off to turkey or not kind of flying off to turkey ar-ra— not kind of flying off to turkey ar—ra mave— not kind of flying off to turkey or to have procedures or wherever to have procedures aame. — or wherever to have procedures aame. mesa— or wherever to have procedures done. these are— or wherever to have procedures done. 311i; or wherever to have procedures done. these are people who thought they did everything right they did right and they thought they did their . and when their research. and then when they they went they realised where they went wrong, it was just a basic error and these basic errors. and all these basic errors. there's of them are in there's about ten of them are in the book. they're analysed for people to look and say, okay, people to look at and say, okay, i won't make mistake. can i i won't make that mistake. can i just say i'm trying to iwon't make that mistake. can i just say i'm trying to do- iwon't make that mistake. can i just say i'm trying to do the- just say i'm trying to do the mamse— just say i'm trying to do the mamse vau— just say i'm trying to do the maths? you said— just say i'm trying to do the maths? you said you had your mer— maths? you said you had your first procedures— maths? you said you had your first procedures in the 1980s ama— first procedures in the 1980s aea-were— first procedures in the 1980s and-were-mid. and you were in your mid 30s. mar-s— and you were in your mid 30s. mare—valle- that's right. cindy you're looking— that's right. cindy you're looking age looking good for whatever age you— looking good for whatever age yaa — looking good for whatever age yaa aa— looking good for whatever age yaa aa yar— looking good for whatever age you are. do you want to me you are. do you want to give me a earmarke— you are. do you want to give me a ballpark?-60s_ you are. do you want to give me a ballpark? 60s late a ballpark? late 60s or late ease— a ballpark? late 60s or late ease cmay— a ballpark? late 60s or late 60s? cindy honestly, 60s? cindy jackson honestly, now you—get- you can get how not to get aaremea— you can get how not to get aaremea am— you can get how not to get botched on cindy's website. as lasa— botched on cindy's website. as we've just said,— botched on cindy's website. as we've just said, be back at we've just said, i'll be back at merr— we've just said, i'll be back at mem-ar— we've just said, i'll be back at mem-ar see— we've just said, i'll be back at mem-ar see .— next week at 930. rella— next week at 930. hello there. welcome to next week at 930.— hello there. welcome to your laresr— hello there. welcome to your laresr ee— hello there. welcome to your

latest gb news— hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . rm— latest gb news weather forecast . r-m greg— latest gb news weather forecast . i'm greg dewhurst- latest gb news weather forecast . i'm greg dewhurst and- latest gb news weather forecast . i'm greg dewhurst and looking at the next few days it stays fine and settled, but there are signs of something little hotter and more humid on the way to end the week. but at the moment high pressure is in charge of our weather keeping it settled. this low pressure moves towards us, allowing a southerly air stream to develop towards next weekend , increasing risk of some heavy showers, a fine end to sunday. we are seeing some low cloud across eastern areas push its way inland as we move overnight tonight, thicken up for the odd spot of drizzle , clearer skies spot of drizzle, clearer skies holding on across west in parts of the uk and under those clear skies, temperatures could dip to mid to low single figures holding up in the east where it is a grey start to monday morning . low cloud also morning. low cloud also affecting midlands , perhaps even affecting midlands, perhaps even eastern parts of wales , but eastern parts of wales, but through the morning and into the afternoon we should see that low cloud lift and break back towards the eastern coast where it will stay quite grey for much of whilst much of the of the day. whilst much of the

country will a day, country will have a fine day, plenty sunny spells and plenty of sunny spells and temperatures lifting into the low still chilly along low 20s still chilly along eastern coast with that north easterly breeze here on monday evening. we've got plenty of sunshine before dusk and then as we head towards midnight and overnight, we see the low cloud pushing back in once again, a bit of deja vu here. thick enough for a little bit of light rain and drizzle in places, but perhaps pushing a little further westwards than previous nights under any clear spells, particularly across western scotland, northern ireland. temperatures here on the chilly side. and so quite a grey start to tuesday morning. best for the sunshine western fringes of the uk. of northern ireland. uk. much of northern ireland. and then just like the last few days, we'll see that low cloud slowly may take slowly push back. it may take longer. so some central and eastern parts of england staying on the cloudy side, best of the sunshine the west, further sunshine in the west, further sunshine. wednesday and thursday. temperatures in the low 20s. see you again later. i'm andrew doyle join me- i'm andrew doyle join me at 7:00 every— i'm andrew doyle join me at 7:00 every samaay— i'm andrew doyle join me at 7:00 every sunday night—

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