the newsroom dorset stories from the newsroom dorset police have named the 17 year old boy who died after getting into difficulty the water off into difficulty in the water off bournemouth wednesday . bournemouth beach on wednesday. jo abbas from southampton died after being pulled from the sea. in a statement, his family said they were heartbroken and devastated and describing him as a fabulous young man. a 12 year old girl named in reports as sunak khan from high wycombe in buckinghamshire also died in the incident, which involved ten swimmers, a sightseeing boat named the dorset belle has been impounded by police . a man has impounded by police. a man has been charged after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa cup final yesterday, which appeared to have an offensive reference to have an offensive reference to the hillsborough disaster. 333 year old james white from warwickshire has been charged with displaying , threatening or with displaying, threatening or abusive writing . he is expected abusive writing. he is expected to appear at willesden magistrates court next week 97 liverpool fans died in 1989 at hillsborough stadium in sheffield . indian authorities

sheffield. indian authorities say a signal problem was likely responsible for the country's worst train crash in decades. 275 people were killed in the accident and another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary freight train before derailing and striking a second passenger train. prime minister narendra modi has vowed to punish anyone found responsible for the immigration minister has told gb news it's wrong for migrants to demand better hotel accommodation while waiting for their asylum claims to be processed east. it's after a protest was sparked in london by migrants being asked to sleep four to a room. speaking to camilla tominey, robert jenrick said the government will never put their interests above the british public. he also said sharing hotel rooms is necessary to get value for taxpayers money. members whether these are migrants who have said they are destitute, they've said that they have absolutely nowhere to

stay, no friends, no family, no money, and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation and board and lodgings. and so those i think those— d 93 and so those i think those migrants d q5 and so those i think those migrants are wrong— those i think those migrants are wrong to— those i think those migrants are wrong to protest— those i think those migrants are wrong to protest and say that they— wrong to protest and say that they deserve— wrong to protest and say that they deserve to— wrong to protest and say that they deserve to have single bedrooms— they deserve to have single bedrooms with— they deserve to have single bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so and— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm— bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm pleased to that— and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common— and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common sense seems to have— see that common sense seems to have prevailed— see that common sense seems to have prevailed in— see that common sense seems to have prevailed in this case. ' have prevailed in this case. a labour— have prevailed in this case. a labour mp— have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has— have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told- have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told gb- have prevailed in this case. a labour mp has told gb news victims are to scared to complain about sexual predators in parliament. charlotte nicholls said harassment is baked into every single part of how westminster operates . she how westminster operates. she also accused the labour party of choosing not to act on concerns raised about a number of colleagues over a very long penod. colleagues over a very long period . her comments come after period. her comments come after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps. she should avoid when first becoming an mp . you're up first becoming an mp. you're up to date on gb news now it's time for free speech nation .

for free speech nation. a secret government unit colludes with social media to kerb criticism of the lockdown. an oxford college threatens to expel— an oxford college threatens to expel students— an oxford college threatens to expel students for misgendering and angle— expel students for misgendering and anglo saxons— expel students for misgendering and anglo saxons are cancelled. nee— and anglo saxons are cancelled. the e— and anglo saxons are cancelled. the is free— and anglo saxons are cancelled. this is free speech— and anglo saxons are cancelled. this is free speech nation . on this is free speech nation. on and— this is free speech nation. on one weoomee— this is free speech nation. on and welcome to— this is free speech nation. on and welcome to free speech notion— and welcome to free speech notion wm.— and welcome to free speech nation with me— and welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. nee— nation with me andrew doyle. the e— nation with me andrew doyle. the e the— nation with me andrew doyle. this is the show— nation with me andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look— this is the show where we take a look oo— this is the show where we take a look at culture— this is the show where we take a look at culture current affairs one— look at culture current affairs and polities.— look at culture current affairs and politics. and— look at culture current affairs and politics. and of course we-u— and politics. and of course we-u hove— and politics. and of course we'll have the— and politics. and of course we'll have the latest from those lovable— lovable culture warriors. they-ve— lovable culture warriors. they-veno- lovable culture warriors. they've a busy lovable culture warriors. they've-a busy trying they've had a busy week trying to they've had a busy week trying oo—who— they've had a busy week trying oo—who eon-o- they've had a busy week trying to_who don't usei to sack workers who don't use preferred— to sack workers who don't use preferred-one- preferred pronouns and oooempong— preferred pronouns and attempting a preferred pronouns and- attempting-a book. you attempting to cancel a book. you may— attempting to cancel a book. you moo—of.— attempting to cancel a book. you may—of-icalledl may have heard of. it's called me— may have heard of. it's called nee-anyway— may have heard of. it's called the -anyway we're - may have heard of. it's called the anyway we're going to the bible. anyway we're going to be covering— the bible. anyway we're going to be covering that— the bible. anyway we're going to be covering that later and be covering that later on. and aeo— be covering that later on. and also,-childline- also, a former childline counsellor— also, a former childline counsellor tells us his counsellor tells us about his concerns teenagers are concerns that teenagers are being— concerns that teenagers are being given— concerns that teenagers are being given potentially dangerous— being given potentially dangerous advice the dangerous advice on the charitv's_ dangerous advice on the charity's forums . bestselling charity's forums. bestselling author— charity's forums. bestselling author michael— charity's forums. bestselling author michael shellenberger wm— author michael shellenberger willioin— author michael shellenberger will join ee— author michael shellenberger will join us to— author michael shellenberger will join us to discuss the counter—disinformation team set up by— counter—disinformation team set

up by obe— counter—disinformation team set up by the government to target booboown— up by the government to target lockdown critics _ up by the government to target lockdown critics during the pandemic— lockdown critics during the pandemic and— lockdown critics during the pandemic and ella whelan will be bere— pandemic and ella whelan will be bee bo— pandemic and ella whelan will be bee to bob— pandemic and ella whelan will be here to talk about— pandemic and ella whelan will be here to talk about the protests, wbbb— here to talk about the protests, which disrupted— here to talk about the protests, which disrupted kathleen stock's ebeeob— which disrupted kathleen stock's ebeeob ob— which disrupted kathleen stock's speech at be— which disrupted kathleen stock's speech at the oxford union this week.— speech at the oxford union this week-of— speech at the oxford union this week.-of course,- speech at the oxford union this week. of course, i've got a week. and, of course, i've got a fantastic— week. and, of course, i've got a fantastic panel— week. and, of course, i've got a fantastic panel who going to fantastic panel who are going to be—oueebone- fantastic panel who are going toi be-questions-our be answering questions from our lovely—let. be answering questions from our loveintroduce_let. be answering questions from our loveintroduce them. let be answering questions from our loveintroduce them. my let be answering questions from our loveintroduce them. my studio me introduce them. my studio geese— me introduce them. my studio geese tonight— me introduce them. my studio guest tonight are— me introduce them. my studio guest tonight are cressida wenon— guest tonight are cressida webon obo— guest tonight are cressida wetton and lewis schaffer , who .7 wetton and lewis schaffer, who.7 bewb— wetton and lewis schaffer, who.7 bewb be— wetton and lewis schaffer, who.7 lewis it's been— wetton and lewis schaffer, who.7 lewis it's been a— wetton and lewis schaffer, who.7 lewis it's been a while since you-ve— lewis it's been a while since you-ve been— lewis it's been a while since yon-ve been on— lewis it's been a while since you've been on the show, hasn't be — you've been on the show, hasn't be no— you've been on the show, hasn't be b nos— you've been on the show, hasn't it.7 it has been.— you've been on the show, hasn't it.7 it has been. i— you've been on the show, hasn't it.7 it has been. i was- you've been on the show, hasn't it.7 it has been. i was beginning to feel unloved. well, you are nnboveo— to feel unloved. well, you are nnboveo ,— to feel unloved. well, you are nnboveo , bub— to feel unloved. well, you are unloved , but that's- to feel unloved. well, you are unloved , but that's a- ”in; c. : well, you are unloved , but that's a different unloved, but that's a different question.— unloved, but that's a different queenon. bo— unloved, but that's a different question. no, the— unloved, but that's a different question. no, the reason was eonennee— question. no, the reason was sometimes-can- question. no, the reason was sometimes can be quite sometimes you can be quite a i eon-b— sometimes you can be quite a i oonb know,— sometimes you can be quite a i oonb bnon, neon— sometimes you can be quite a i don't know, near the edge, let's put don't know, near the edge, let's ob b— don't know, near the edge, let's ob b enab— don't know, near the edge, let's ob b not wav- — don't know, near the edge, let's put it that way. wc“ put it that way. well, that's yourjob is put it that way. well, that's your job is to put it that way. well, that's yourjob is to stop me from being edge . the being being over the edge. the people don't want to see somebody who's far away from the edge. true. i do edge. yeah, that's true. i do need him in sometimes. need to rein him in sometimes. well, it's a good job you've got boning— well, it's a good job you've got boning-o— well, it's a good job you've got training a teacher. “43?" training as a teacher. yeah, been.— training as a teacher. yeah, yeon, yeon. bn— training as a teacher. yeah,| yeah, yeah. i'm-going training as a teacher. yeah,- yeah, yeah. i'm-going back yeah, yeah. i'm never going back to yeah, yeah. i'm never going back bo-weve— yeah, yeah. i'm never going back bo-weve gob— yeah, yeah. i'm never going back to -we've gotllovely- to that. we've got a lovely bubo— to that. we've got a lovely studio audience- to that. we've got a lovely studio audience here tonight, so i if studio audience here tonight, so n—b ne— studio audience here tonight, so n—b we beb- studio audience here tonight, so n—b we eeb eonel i think it's wise if we get some questions— i think it's wise if we get some questions _we've. questions from them. we've got a question— questions from them. we've got a oweebon ebb— questions from them. we've got a question first from _ questions from them. we've got a question first from jackie. wnene— question first from jackie. - where _jackie. where is jackie? 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bobbe— how are you? hello? is the new police practise police code of practise a victory for free speech? yes. so this is a big deal.— victory for free speech? yes. so this is a big deal. this- victory for free speech? yes. so this is a big deal. this is- this is a big deal. this is swebo— this is a big deal. this is suella braverman has put out be— suella braverman has put out be ne— suella braverman has put out this new policing— suella braverman has put out this new policing code of webbe— this new policing code of practise. it's— this new policing code of practise. it's been unveiled . practise. it's been unveiled. be— practise. it's been unveiled. b-e-beb— practise. it's been unveiled. it's-tell officers. it's going to tell officers bnobw— it's going to tell officers finally that— it's going to tell officers finally that they should not record— finally that they should not record non—crime hate incidents. web,— record non—crime hate incidents. web, oewobw— record non—crime hate incidents. well, actually, they— record non—crime hate incidents. well, actually, they say they eon-ben— well, actually, they say they can -them -when i can record them only when obeotbew— can record them only when absolutely necessary . see, now, absolutely necessary. see, now, be— absolutely necessary. see, now, this-interesting- absolutely necessary. see, now, this interesting one this is an interesting one bee— this is an interesting one because we've- this is an interesting one because we've been going on about— because we've been going on obob-bnb— because we've been going on about-this show- because we've been going on about this show for a about this on this show for a bong,— about this on this show for a tone—bobbei long, long time. the police, i bntnb— long, long time. the police, i bntnb-nob— long, long time. the police, i think,-not be- think, should not be investigating non—crime. and the problem — problem with these these non—crime hate incidents was ma,— non—crime hate incidents was bnbleoneone— non—crime hate incidents was that, someone said something that, say someone said something to that, say someone said something bo-beneweo— that, say someone said something to-perceived was- to me that i perceived was motivated— to me that i perceived was motivated prejudice for motivated by prejudice for a protected— motivated by prejudice for a protected characteristic. say i bnoweb— protected characteristic. say i thought cressida— protected characteristic. say i thought cressida you criticising my thought cressida you criticising ”wi-— thought cressida you criticising no. n— thought cressida you criticising no. n ._ thought cressida you criticising my . if i interpreted that my tie. if i interpreted that web— my tie. if i interpreted that not woe— my tie. if i interpreted that that was motivated by homophobia, i could just phone up homophobia, i could just phone wb-bobee— homophobia, i could just phone up-police-would. homophobia, i could just phone. up-police-would have up the police and you would have bnb— up the police and you would have not recorded— up the police and you would have that recorded on— up the police and you would have that recorded on your file wbnob— that recorded on your file without they _ that recorded on your file without they wouldn't tell you about— without they wouldn't tell you about-wobb— without they wouldn't tell you about-would-be- about it. it would just be bene— about it. it would just bei were—wow about it. it would just be- bbene—wow obbbeo there. and then when you applied for there. and then when you applied non-neb— there. and then when you applied for-that requires— there. and then when you applied for-that requires a- for a job that requires a dbs oneob— for a job that requires a dbs check,-wouldn't- for a job that requires a dbs check, wouldn't called check, you wouldn't get called for check, you wouldn't get called eon- be— check, you wouldn't get called eon-be bnob- for interview. it's that etnbben— for interview. it's that sinister, right? / for interview. it's that- sinister, right? yeah. i believe for interview. it's that- siiis.:er, right? yeah. i believe for interview. it's that- siiis. i'veight? yeah. i believe for interview. it's that- siiis. i've got? yeah. i believe for interview. it's that siiis. i've got a yeah. i believe for interview. it's that siiis. i've got a couplei believe for interview. it's that siiis. i've got a couple ofelieve it is. i've got a couple of friends who've said friends who've who've said things comedy that things at comedy nights that have go for have caused them to go for voluntary conversations with the police . and it's not police afterwards. and it's not good. yeah. yeah the person is

now fine and in the clear and that's great, but it's extremely stressful. and the idea of non—crime hate incidents. right. you would would hope so, you would you would hope so, wouldn't would wouldn't you? you would certainly . yeah. certainly hope so. yeah. terrible. is a step terrible. so this is a step in the but it's the right direction, but it's still this this kind of still got this this kind of discretionary that discretionary element that doesn't make me 100. that's doesn't make me feel 100. that's a wait. but the weird a bit of a wait. but the weird thing lewis, is that thing about this, lewis, is that basically have been basically the police have been ignonng basically the police have been ignoring these these ignoring i mean, these these things, these non—crime hate incidents by incidents were put into place by the a the college of policing, a number ago by number of years ago by themselves. they weren't told to number of years ago by theit.;elves. they weren't told to number of years ago by- theit. they. they weren't told to number of years ago by- theit. they just ey weren't told to number of years ago by- theit. they just ey vit.en't told to number of years ago by- theit. they just ey vit. andtold to number of years ago by- theit. they just ey vit. and the to do it. they just did it. and the college— do it. they just did it. and the oobege on— do it. they just did it. and the college of policing, by the way, is college of policing, by the way, b-boow— college of policing, by the way, b-boow bnob— college of policing, by the way, is-body that trains- college of policing, by the way, is body that trains police is the body that trains police officers— officers and then people webbe— officers and then people. neobee—b realise, oh, actually this is kind— realise, oh, actually this is kind of— realise, oh, actually this is kind of creepy— realise, oh, actually this is kind of creepy and orwellian wbn— kind of creepy and orwellian with-monitoring. kind of creepy and orwellian. with-monitoring your with the police monitoring your bnowebe—ol thoughts and then fair cop, a group— thoughts and then fair cop, a. group—protested group called fair cop protested erbi— group called fair cop protested nbt noteb— group called fair cop protested priti patel, secretary in priti patel, home secretary in men— priti patel, home secretary in eoew bob— priti patel, home secretary in 2021, told the _ priti patel, home secretary in 2021, told the police to stop bone— 2021, told the police to stop bone in — 2021, told the police to stop doing in new— 2021, told the police to stop doing it. they ignored her. then we not— doing it. they ignored her. then we not be— doing it. they ignored her. then we had this high— doing it. they ignored her. then we had this high court ruling in the we had this high court ruling in bne—ooee.- we had this high court ruling in bne—ooee. they- the harry miller case. they ignored— the harry miller case. they ignored-one- the harry miller case. they ignored are they the harry miller case. they- ignored-are they going ignored that. so are they going to ignored that. so are they going bo—bneb— ignored that. so are they going bo—bneb-bnbl to actually do their job this bnee— to actually do their job this time? -think- to actually do their job this time?-think no,- to actually do their job this time?-think no, i. to actually do their job this- time?-think no, i don't time? i don't think no, i don't think they are. whatever their job is, they think this is what is . it's totally is policing. it's totally fluid. so obviously they make up their

own minds. what's what's capable . the rule books for the policing is like is like this thick. they want if they thick. if they want to if they want you up to use want to bung you up to use a british phrase , i've never said british phrase, i've never said that before. if they want , i that before. if they want, i don't think is a british don't think that is a british phrase. is. think you've phrase. there is. i think you've teet— phrase. there is. i think you've inst-b— phrase. there is. i think you've tub-b no. — phrase. there is. i think you've tub-b we. be- phrase. there is. i think you've just-it up. it's not- phrase. there is. i think you've| just-it up. it's not that's just made it up. it's not that's not what means. it means not what it means. it means eonebntng— not what it means. it means something different.- e it means something different. yeah so, lewis— something different. yeah so, lewis-wowe— something different. yeah so, lewis, you're saying is lewis, what you're saying is wow-e— lewis, what you're saying is wow-ne-bne- lewis, what you're saying is| you're-the-can lewis, what you're saying is- you're-the-can get you're saying the police can get you— you're saying the police can get wow-wont— you're saying the police can get wow-wont bo— you're saying the police can get wow-wont to get- you're saying the police can get you want to get but you if they want to get you, but i you if they want to get you, but . ton-b— you if they want to get you, but . oonb-bnew— you if they want to get you, but . bonb-bnew oo— you if they want to get you, but i don't they do want to. i i don't think they do want to. i bntnb— i don't think they do want to. i wink-robber— i don't think they do want to. i think-rather be- i don't think they do want to. i think rather be solving think they'd rather be solving crime. no, they wouldn't. of course—lewis. crime. no, they wouldn't. of- course_lewis because course they would, lewis because bnb— course they would, lewis because bob—be- course they would, lewis because bnb—bb be- that involves work. it's the pence.— that involves work. it's the police the— that involves work. it's the police, the police, police. police, the police, the police. listen, was listen, this is what i was bobbing— listen, this is what i was talking about.- listen, this is what i was talking about. there is this kind— talking about. there is this kind on— talking about. there is this kind of attitude— talking about. there is this kind of attitude that you can bobb— kind of attitude that you can bob obob— kind of attitude that you can talk about police because talk about the police because boebobw— talk about the police because boebobw tn— talk about the police because basically i'm from the basically i'm so far from the police — basically i'm so far from the police. -know,. basically i'm so far from the police. -know, i. basically i'm so far from the- police. -know, i know police. yeah, you know, i know what they're. what they do. i think they're. i think there is a point to be note— i think there is a point to be note newe— i think there is a point to be made here is— i think there is a point to be made here is that the police are teet— made here is that the police are just-lewis— made here is that the police are just-lewis no.— made here is that the police are just-lewis up.-the- just shut lewis up. but the bobbe— just shut lewis up. but the police continually tweeting just shut lewis up. but the polithings continually tweeting just shut lewis up. but the polithings like,nually tweeting just shut lewis up. but the polithings like, youly tweeting just shut lewis up. but the polithings like, you know, eting just shut lewis up. but the polithings like, you know, don't out things like, you know, don't tweet— out things like, you know, don't tweet onwtntne— out things like, you know, don't tweet anything offensive or come otter—be- after you. meanwhile the vast not-onw— after you. meanwhile the vast majority robberies go majority of robberies go uninvestigated. mind uninvestigated. never mind wneott. —.- uninvestigated. never mind unsold. _. andl uninvestigated. never mind- unsold. _. and they're unsold. absolutely. and they're not the not very popular with the public, they? so if i were public, are they? so if i were a police person, i think i would welcome bit more doing stuff

welcome a bit more doing stuff to impress people like lewis, you yeah because i think you know? yeah because i think it would just the surely it would just make the surely they think they join they join you think they join they join you think they join the sinister reasons. the force with sinister reasons. no think join too. no i think they join too. i think their hands think police have their hands are by the college are tied by the college of policing. it for policing. i joined it for stnbtet— policing. i joined it for sinister-i- policing. i joined it fori sinister-i think policing. i joined it for- sinister-i think every sinister reasons. i think every person— sinister reasons. i think every person .— sinister reasons. i think every person , even— sinister reasons. i think every person , every-has- sinister reasons. i think every person , every has an ethos person, every job has an ethos ont— person, every job has an ethos and o— person, every job has an ethos one o tow— person, every job has an ethos one o joy non — person, every job has an ethos and a joy from doing it. person, every job has an ethos and a joy from doing it . and the and a joy from doing it. and the being— and a joy from doing it. and the betne o— and a joy from doing it. and the being a policeman— and a joy from doing it. and the being a policeman is you get to tett— being a policeman is you get to tett beobte— being a policeman is you get to tell people what— being a policeman is you get to tell people what to do. the kind of tell people what to do. the kind ot beteon— tell people what to do. the kind ot beteon wno— tell people what to do. the kind of person who wants to tell beobte— of person who wants to tell beobte tne — of person who wants to tell people the kind— of person who wants to tell people the kind of person who wante— people the kind of person who wants to— people the kind of person who wants to tell— people the kind of person who wants to tell people to wants to tell people what to do or wants to tell people what to do ot-eow— wants to tell people what to do ot-eow tnot— wants to tell people what to do or- say that about- or if they say that about teoenete. — or if they say that about teachers. lewis- or if they say that about teachers. a: or if they say that about teachers. lewis i used to a teachers. lewis i used to be a teacher. that's teaching. teacher. that's also teaching. teachers seem like teachers want to seem like tnew-te— teachers want to seem like tnew-te eo— teachers want to seem like they're so smart- teachers want to seem like they're so smart and better than one— they're so smart and better than otnet beobte. — they're so smart and better than other people. okay, that's why i toot— other people. okay, that's why i tooblttwe. — other people. okay, that's why i tookltrue. yes,— other people. okay, that's why i took yes, exactly. it totally true. yes, exactly. it was a power-yes- totally true. yes, exactly. it was a power-yes - yes, exactly. it was a power yes vb"; totally true. yes, exactly. it. was a power-yes why do was a power trip. yes why do you think do lewis? yes it think i do this, lewis? yes it is. it's just think i do this, lewis? yes it is. it'sjust sitting think i do this, lewis? yes it is. it's just sitting there tetttng— is. it's just sitting there tetttng-to- is. it's just sitting there telling-to what. it's just sitting there telling to what do. is. it's just sitting there- telling-to what do. and telling people to what do. and it's telling people to what do. and b-e-wow— telling people to what do. and b-e-wow wbn- telling people to what do. and it's-way with the - it's the same way with the bottoe. — it's the same way with the bone. tne— it's the same way with the police. the police? the police wont— police. the police? the police wont to— police. the police? the police want to control— police. the police? the police want to control because want to control people because new— want to control people because tnew—twee- want to control people because tnew—twee l they feel like their lives are. be— they feel like their lives are. it's psychological it's a psychological thing. it's twe— it's a psychological thing. it's tbe-betne- it's a psychological thing. it's like-being me.- it's a psychological thing. it's. like-being me.-not like we're us being me. i'm not a like we're us being me. i'm not o—twet- like we're us being me. i'm not o—twet eowl a comedian, but let's just say you— a comedian, but let's just say you-comedian. - a comedian, but let's just say you comedian. whatever. you are a comedian. whatever. but— you are a comedian. whatever. but-bene— you are a comedian. whatever. but-being-like- you are a comedian. whatever. but being like want but it's being it's like we want i but it's being it's like we want . wont— but it's being it's like we want . wont to— but it's being it's like we want i want to make— but it's being it's like we want i want to make people like like but— i want to make people like like but ot— i want to make people like like me. but at the— i want to make people like like

me. but at the same time show ttetotn— me. but at the same time show ttetotnltnen— me. but at the same time show disdain .them . _ me. but at the same time show disdain them . , " me. but at the same time show disdain them . cit/tag? " disdain for them. okay? this has turned into a therapy session for lewis. and i don't think we need delve into nothing to do need to delve into nothing to do with question. we're with the question. so we're not going delve into lewis's. do going to delve into lewis's. do you this i you have me on this show? i don't know have you on don't know why i have you on this lewis we're to this show, lewis we're going to move question from move on to a question from ayana. ayana? i'm here. ayana. where is ayana? i'm here. the is, ayana. where is ayana? i'm here. tne-te enowtt- ayana. where is ayana? i'm here. the-is, should i- ayana. where is ayana? i'm here. the-is, should i be- the question is, should i be bobet— the question is, should i be bobet ont— the question is, should i be kicked out of— the question is, should i be kicked out of university for misgendering— misgendering someone? okay > so this-interesting— this is an interesting one. this is park college at the is regent's park college at the university oxford. and university of oxford. and they've released this trans inclusion statement. it says students expelled for students could be expelled for behaviour as, quote, behaviour such as, quote, consisting using incorrect titles, pronouns or names to refer to a trans person. and then over in america this week, coincidentally, we've had the employees of this of the city of dallas in texas being told they could be fired. and if they don't use preferred pronouns, this a trend this is obviously a trend crusader that i think is creeping because it starts with would you mind using the pronouns that this person would like use and suddenly it like you to use and suddenly it becomes you must use the pronouns this person likes you, likes to use, and likes you to use, and irrespective of what you think about that, there's a very good

reason society we reason why in a free society we don't what's called don't have what's called compelled speech, right? we don't because you're compelled speech, right? we donfree because you're compelled speech, right? we donfree if because you're compelled speech, right? we donfree if you because you're compelled speech, right? we donfree if you haveiuse you're compelled speech, right? we donfree if you haveius use u're compelled speech, right? we donfree if you haveius use ifre not free if you have to use if you have to use words that other people are decreeing, that's not freedom. absolutely. yeah i'm not no— freedom. absolutely. yeah i'm not wolb— freedom. absolutely. yeah i'm not wblb. .— freedom. absolutely. yeah i'm not up.it. i mean,- freedom. absolutely. yeah i'm not up.it. i mean, i- : absolutely. yeah i'm not up it. i mean, i think not up for it. i mean, i think be— not up for it. i mean, i think b-e geot— not up for it. i mean, i think it's great that— not up for it. i mean, i think it's great that you shouldn't nove— it's great that you shouldn't note—t-bi have bullying and i think if somebody— somebody is winding up a trans beteon— somebody is winding up a trans beteon tnen— somebody is winding up a trans person, then that's— somebody is winding up a trans person, then that's a separate ten-t— person, then that's a separate issue, isn't it? _ person, then that's a separate issue, isn't it? g a�*t: issue, isn't it? bullying and harassment already harassment will already be against exactly so at against the laws. exactly so at that college in oxford. exactly so but the problem that so the idea but the problem that oxford university have that oxford university have is that the of people use the vast majority of people use pronouns, and female pronouns, male and female pronouns, male and female pronouns, to biological pronouns, to denote biological sex. they don't do it to denote gender identity because that's a belief that is only shared 1% belief that is only shared by 1% maximum population . so to maximum of the population. so to say must use the pronouns of say you must use the pronouns of someone that someone else demands almost saying demands is almost like saying you religious you must make this religious declaration that might not declaration that you might not necessarily believe in, which is a problem. yeah , it's compelled a problem. yeah, it's compelled ebeeen— a problem. yeah, it's compelled ebeeon ont— a problem. yeah, it's compelled ebeeon ont .— a problem. yeah, it's compelled speech and i mean,— yeah, it's compelled speech and i mean, imagine if we had speech and i mean, imagine if we not oonbettet— speech and i mean, imagine if we had compelled speech on this obonnet— had compelled speech on this channel, then— had compelled speech on this channel, then you would be exoettw— channel, then you would be exoottw oe— channel, then you would be exactly as-we- channel, then you would be exactly as we wouldn't get exactly as anti we wouldn't get me— exactly as anti we wouldn't get tnb bow— exactly as anti we wouldn't get tnb bow we— exactly as anti we wouldn't get tnb bow we-get- exactly as anti we wouldn't get this boy, we-get i- exactly as anti we wouldn't get this boy, we get i mean this boy, we wouldn't get i mean tewb— this boy, we wouldn't get i mean tewb-btotwot— this boy, we wouldn't get i mean lewis-product-is- lewis for your product that is tewte— lewis for your product that is tewte-nwet— lewis for your product that is lewis-must you-

lewis for your product that is lewis must you must say like lewis you must you must say like in lewis you must you must say like tn cantee— lewis you must you must say like in canada there— lewis you must you must say like in canada there have been people in canada there have been people tn-tn— in canada there have been people tn-tn tob— in canada there have been people ih-ih jail-failing- in jail put in jail for failing to-tne— in jail put in jail for failing to the language that has to use the language that has been—by- to use the language that has been—by activistsi to use the language that has. been—by activists . to use the language that has- been_by activists . is been demanded by activists. is that— been demanded by activists. is that-oven— been demanded by activists. is that-over here, - been demanded by activists. is that-over here, lewis,. been demanded by activists. isl that-over here, lewis, do that coming over here, lewis, do you think? well, i think it's i note— you think? 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think. is that what you think? yes:— think. is that what you think? wee-tntnb— think. is that what you think? yes,-think it— think. is that what you think? yes,-think it is- think. is that what you think? yes, think it is that way. yes, i do think it is that way. ana— yes, i do think it is that way. and,_someonei yes, i do think it is that way. - and,_someone wants and, you know, if someone wants to - someone wants - and, you know, if someone wants to someone wants to call to call if someone wants to call tneneewee— to call if someone wants to call themselves something and they wont—tnen,- themselves something and they wan—them, wow- want you to call them, you enowtt— want you to call them, you should -that- want you to call them, you. should -that thing. should call them that thing. if new— should call them that thing. if tnew—wotte- should call them that thing. if they—words that. should call them that thing. if. they—words that have they want to use words that have a they want to use words that have o—ton-t— they want to use words that have o—ton-t wont- they want to use words that have o—ton-t wont wowl a negative, you don't want you to-negotwe — a negative, you don't want you to-negative words- a negative, you don't want you to negative words have to use negative words that have neeottwe— to use negative words that have negative connotations. you enowtt— negative connotations. you. should _that's negative connotations. you- should _that's an should not use. well, that's an interesting perspective and of course, couched in interesting perspective and of courseof couched in interesting perspective and of courseof it's couched in interesting perspective and of courseof it's just couched in interesting perspective and of courseof it's just cowpolite. terms of it's just being polite. but sometimes not. but sometimes actually it's not. sometimes to exert sometimes it's a way to exert power. instance, we had power. so, for instance, we had the case of adam graham, who changed rapist, who changed a double rapist, who changed a double rapist, who changed isla bryson, changed his name to isla bryson, demanded or she demanded to be called he or she and her. and i don't think we should extending courtesy to should be extending courtesy to double think possibly double rapists. i think possibly tnoee— double rapists. i think possibly tnoee beobte— double rapists. i think possibly those people should— ctr». i think possibly those people should be excluded bon— those people should be excluded tton tnte. — those people should be excluded from this. right.— those people should be excluded from this. right. well there we go. from this. right. well there we 90- so— from this. right. well there we go. so but— from this. right. well there we go. so but b— from this. right. well there we go. so but it shouldn't. but it enowtt— go. so but it shouldn't. but it enowtt be— go. so but it shouldn't. but it should be.should-

go. so but it shouldn't. but it should be should assume if should be we should assume if somebody— should be we should assume if somebody wants— should be we should assume if somebody wants to be called a one— somebody wants to be called a one ont— somebody wants to be called a one and one— somebody wants to be called a she and she is— somebody wants to be called a she and she is a— somebody wants to be called a she and she is a he, maybe we enowtt— she and she is a he, maybe we enowtt teet— she and she is a he, maybe we should just call— she and she is a he, maybe we should just call everybody what new— should just call everybody what tnew teet— should just call everybody what they left wants— should just call everybody what they left wants us— should just call everybody what they left wants us to call. obey. — they left wants us to call. obey. wnbn— they left wants us to call. okay. which is- they left wants us to call. okay. which is common. e okay. which is common. it's about— okay. which is common. it's about being— okay. which is common. it's about being to— okay. which is common. it's about being to avoid problems. but but. okay . what about how but but. okay. what about how far does this go? does it go to near pronouns such as g and g, cat and cat for self people who identify as cats? would you use those pronouns for those individuals? i think you should make best effort to. no, make your best effort to. no, you wouldn't. lewis. no you wouldn't. such wouldn't. you're such a contrarian. no, no, no, you would not. miaow at someone on demand. on would not. miaow at someone on demand . on demand. would not. miaow at someone on demand. on demand. i might not, but.— demand. on demand. i might not, but. but— demand. on demand. i might not, but. but .— demand. on demand. i might not, but. butt ntebt— demand. on demand. i might not, but. but i might. you— 3: on demand. i might not, but. but i might. you know what? twe— but. but i might. you know what? we tone— but. but i might. you know what? we tone b— but. but i might. you know what? i've done it for— but. but i might. you know what? i've done it for a— but. but i might. you know what? i've done it for a page . i've done it for a page. i know wow-we— i've done it for a page. i know wow-we tone— i've done it for a page. i know wow-we tone b.— i've done it for a page. i know you've done it. but those other reasons at the weekend in a club that we won't advertise on this show anyway, we're going to move on a question from cecil. on now to a question from cecil. is cecil ? cecil? is it cecil or cecil? cecil? hello, . did the government hello, cecil. did the government . tne— hello, cecil. did the government . the government.— clint. l did the government . the government. sorry, did the government— . the government. sorry, did the government tw— . the government. sorry, did the government try to— . the government. sorry, did the government try to suppress tteoweeton— government try to suppress discussion of— government try to suppress discussion of the lockdown bottotee— discussion of the lockdown bottetee e — discussion of the lockdown policies ? this- discussion of the lockdown policies ? this is- discussion of the lockdown policies ? " f t: policies? this is actually quite

a shocking revelation. this this one came out in the telegraph. this week. and this is a report that claims that a government counter disinformation unit was actually working with social media companies during the pandemic to actually suppress discussion of lockdown policies. so these documents, they're saying that that that critics of the government of government's approach , be they in the press approach, be they in the press or whatever they were being monitored this unit. and now monitored by this unit. and now all of these records have come out. louis this is kind of chilling, isn't it, because we've had with the twitter we've had this with the twitter files america now files in america where we now know the and twitter, know that the fbi and twitter, there was lots of, know, there was lots of, you know, certainly discussions, certainly lots of discussions, if going on there if not collusion going on there to suppress certain accounts, certain points of view. surely, when it comes to a pandemic where we know nothing about this is a phenomenon, there where we know nothing about this is a be henomenon, there where we know nothing about this is a be henordiscussion'e where we know nothing about this is a be henordiscussion about should be more discussion about it, less. i should be more discussion about it, less . i agree with you. it, not less. i agree with you. but— it, not less. i agree with you. but we— it, not less. i agree with you. but we twe— it, not less. i agree with you. but we live in— it, not less. i agree with you. but we live in a— e i agree with you. but we live in a police state ont— but we live in a police state and we're controlled. we're oonttotteb— and we're controlled. we're controlled. this— and we're controlled. we're controlled. this state is way bobbe— controlled. this state is way more police driven than in anetteo— more police driven than in anettoo b.— more police driven than in america is. and- more police driven than in america is. and america's a totottw— america is. and america's a totottw bottee— america is. and america's a totally police police. in; gtzzt

totally police police. we've got a totally police police. we've got to tent— totally police police. we've got a real problem with the police haven't you, louis? i totally do. and i have— haven't you, louis? i totally do. and i have a— " e 57 i totally do. and i have a problem with outnotbw— do. and i have a problem with authority. yes,— do. and i have a problem with authority. yes, i— do. and i have a problem with authority. yes, i know. i look a oenotn— authority. yes, i know. i look a oettotn wow— authority. yes, i know. i look a certain way, but— authority. yes, i know. i look a certain way, but it's like. it's twe— certain way, but it's like. it's be, won— certain way, but it's like. it's like, you know. _ certain way, but it's like. it's like, you know. so you think i mean, like, the problem here is like, for instance, with jay bhattacharya, like, for instance, with jay bhthe charya, like, for instance, with jay bhthe doctors who co—signed the of the doctors who co—signed the great barrington declaration and his and his account was flagged and minimised the minimised on twitter at the behest government. behest of the us government. yeah, scary yeah, that's kind of a scary situation where that kind of thing. but the benefit is thing. but the benefit of it is in thing. but the benefit of it is tn tne— thing. but the benefit of it is in the-states- thing. but the benefit of it is in the-states of- g but the benefit of it is in the states of america in the united states of america is in the united states of america b be— in the united states of america is the americans— in the united states of america is the americans actually paid bnwote— is the americans actually paid private companies suppress is the americans actually paid privinformationes suppress is the americans actually paid privinformation in suppress is the americans actually paid privinformation in in suppress is the americans actually paid privinformation in in this)ress the information in in this country,— the information in in this oownttw tn— the information in in this country, in this country. it's wow-te— country, in this country. it's you're basically— country, in this country. it's you're basically the head you're basically hit on the head by you're basically hit on the head bw-ont— you're basically hit on the head bw-ont but— you're basically hit on the head by-and but ofcom - you're basically hit on the head by and but ofcom is a by ofcom and but ofcom is a tbtetent— by ofcom and but ofcom is a different thing— by ofcom and but ofcom is a different thing cause ofcom is about— different thing cause ofcom is about broadcasting and all ononnete— about broadcasting and all channels voluntarily sign up to it. channels voluntarily sign up to b. — channels voluntarily sign up to b. vent.— channels voluntarily sign up to it. yeah. twitter,— channels voluntarily sign up to it. yeah. twitter, social- channels voluntarily sign up to it. 4:35“ i “tit: it. yeah. twitter, social media, facebook sign up. facebook voluntarily sign up. they they can't be on they do because they can't be on the they do because they can't be on be ob— they do because they can't be on be ob wneeet— they do because they can't be on the air unless-that.- the air unless they do that. so you— the air unless they do that. so you eon— the air unless they do that. so you be. — the air unless they do that. so you can be. but— the air unless they do that. so you can be. you you can be. but you just. you vow— you can be. but you just. you can. you can you— you can be. but you just. you can. you can you can- you can be. you can. you can you can be can. you can you can this be btootooete— can. you can you can this be broadcast?_be| broadcast? no, it cannot be wneeet— broadcast? no, it cannot be wneeet be— broadcast? no, it cannot be unless it's signed. but that's because we have signed up to ofcom. yes you just ofcom. yes. yes you just answered your- i yes. yes you just answered your own question. d...— answered your own question. ban—ot- answered your own question. i ban—of tnbe dan, what do you think of this? i it is a bit i mean, i think it is a bit dodgy, it, when the dodgy, isn't it, when the government is sort of saying we can't even have discussion.

can't even have a discussion. it's is it's bad enough when youtube is sort kicking off people from sort of kicking off people from the because they raise the channel because they raise questions sort expect the channel because they raise qlof tions sort expect the channel because they raise qlof silicon sort expect the channel because they raise qlof silicon valley. sort expect the channel because they raise qlof silicon valley. but expect the channel because they raise qlof silicon valley. but the xpect it of silicon valley. but the government i think it's horrific. mean, as you said, horrific. i mean, as you said, be— horrific. i mean, as you said, b-e-wnote— horrific. i mean, as you said, it's-whole point-it's. it's the whole point is it's iton-t— it's the whole point is it's new. don't what it's the whole point is it's. new.-don't-what it it's the whole point is it's- new. .don't-what it is. new. we don't know what it is. bet-e— new. we don't know what it is. bets-b.— new. we don't know what it is. tet-e-b. wnot- new. we don't know what it is. let's-it. what are- new. we don't know what it is. let's it. what are the let's discuss it. what are the ooneeen— let's discuss it. what are the chances that— let's discuss it. what are the chances that the _ let's discuss it. what are the chances that the first few nontne— chances that the first few nontne ot— chances that the first few months of decision were right toewetnnotee— months of decision were right forevermore? because we forevermore? exactly. because we need— forevermore? exactly. because we need discussion. _ forevermore? exactly. because we need discussion. ' t: forevermore? exactly. because we need discussion. 't: e forevermore? exactly. because we need discussion. t: etig need discussion. and it's very interesting, isn't it? because the they were the twitter files, they were barely covered by uk media and a lot sort of left leaning us lot of sort of left leaning us media. almost if you media. it's almost like if you just it, goes away. just ignore it, it goes away. well show we've got well later in the show we've got michael is michael shellenberger, who is one who one of the journalists who was entrusted leak the twitter entrusted to leak the twitter files and we're going to talk about because this about that because i think this is very question when about that because i think this is comes question when about that because i think this is comes freedom,;tion when about that because i think this is comes freedom, when/hen about that because i think this is comes freedom, when itan it comes to freedom, when it comes but don't comes to liberty. but don't ton-t— comes to liberty. but don't ton-t present— comes to liberty. but don't don't present it— comes to liberty. but don't don't present it in- i l but don't don't present it in the way that cteeebo— don't present it in the way that cressida presented it is we ton-t— cressida presented it is we ton-t-wnot- cressida presented it is we don't-what it- cressida presented it is we don't-what it is.- cressida presented it is we don't what it is. so we don't know what it is. so we enowtt— don't know what it is. so we enowtt be— don't know what it is. so we should be - an - don't know what it is. so we should be an open should be having an open investigation.— should be having an open investigation. everybody knew wnot—wnot- investigation. everybody knew what—what it. what it was. i knew what it was on—wneni on april, on march 20th, when i posted— on april, on march 20th, when i poetet ny— on april, on march 20th, when i poetet my tbet— on april, on march 20th, when i posted my first facebook thing not— posted my first facebook thing tnot—tnb- posted my first facebook thing tnot—tnblo- posted my first facebook thing that—thisla fakei that said this is this is a fake bontenb. — that said this is this is a fake pandemic. yeah _ that said this is this is a fake pandemic. yeah lewis, lewis, tnb— pandemic. yeah lewis, lewis, this your your attempt to this was your your attempt to provoke. usual, it was provoke. no. as usual, it was a it was a if it was a fake pandemic, how come i got sick it was a if it was a fake pand it?ic, how come i got sick it was a if it was a fake

pand it? threed come i got sick it was a if it was a fake pand it? threed come wett sick it was a if it was a fake pand it? threed come we all ck it was a if it was a fake pand it? threed come we all get from it? three times? we all get sick because the flu sick because because the flu happens every year and people get sick and people get sick. well, what? should be well, you know what? i should be now—entobteeetngel now. what are you suppressing? wee—wbnl me? no, i'm disagreeing with wow.— me? no, i'm disagreeing with wow-lton-t— me? no, i'm disagreeing with you-ldon'tla- me? no, i'm disagreeing with you. don't a hypocrite. you. so don't be a hypocrite. unbelievable.— unbelievable. lewis is mistaking tewte— unbelievable. lewis is mistaking lewis—criticism- unbelievable. lewis is mistaking lewis—criticism andi lewis is mistaking criticism and tteogteenent— lewis is mistaking criticism and disagreement for— lewis is mistaking criticism and disagreement for censorship bee— disagreement for censorship because-not— disagreement for censorship because-not the- disagreement for censorship because not the same thing. because it's not the same thing. let because it's not the same thing. bet-tbsotwtetw— because it's not the same thing. let-absolutely clear- because it's not the same thing. let-absolutely clear abouti let me be absolutely clear about that. got get that. right. we've got to get another now. is another question now. this is from ed, where's ed? hello, ed, did exist after did anglo—saxons not exist after all? well, i mean, it's a good tweetton— all? well, i mean, it's a good question, actually. - 7 well, i mean, it's a good question, actually. \tit 7 well, i mean, it's a good question, actually. bit e question, actually. no, it's a stubb— question, actually. no, it's a stupid question. but let's talk about it, because cambridge university decided to tackle university has decided to tackle what it's calling myths of nationalism by teaching students that anglo—saxons did not exist. now, this is going to cause some problems since early mediaeval history at the university is taught by the department of anglo—saxon norse and celtic. but anyway, what's going to happen? this is beyond stupid. they did exist . i think they're they did exist. i think they're teet— they did exist. i think they're twet twtng— they did exist. i think they're twet twtng to— they did exist. i think they're just trying to argue that they ween-t— just trying to argue that they weren't a homogenous group. wett— weren't a homogenous group. web, no— weren't a homogenous group. wett, no group— weren't a homogenous group. well, no group is— weren't a homogenous group. well, no group is a homogenous. wett— well, no group is a homogenous. web, the— well, no group is a homogenous. web, tie to— well, no group is a homogenous. well, this is it,— well, no group is a homogenous. well, this is it, isn't— well, no group is a homogenous. well, this is it, isn't it? you 90— well, this is it, isn't it? you go to— well, this is it, isn't it? you go to onw— well, this is it, isn't it? you can go to any part of the world if can go to any part of the world b—tot—

can go to any part of the world b—tot enowen- can go to any part of the worldi if_far enough. yeah, if you go back far enough. yeah, of if you go back far enough. yeah, ot-tnete— if you go back far enough. yeah, ot-tnete we— if you go back far enough. yeah, of there was mixing and of course. there was mixing and netentnd— of course. there was mixing and matching-yeah.- matching, you know. yeah. it's very.— matching, you know. yeah. it's week-ot— matching, you know. yeah. it's wenw-ot ow- matching, you know. yeah. it's very. _of our time,- very. it's very of our time, ten-t— very. it's very of our time, ten-t be — very. it's very of our time, isn't it? yeah.- very. it's very of our time, isn't it? yeah. but- very. it's very of our time, isn't it? “43?“ very. it's very of our time,- isn't it? yeah. but lewis, they say that this is an anti—racist approach i suppose what approach and that i suppose what they're is that i don't they're saying is that i don't get this is the anglo—saxon get this is it the anglo—saxon is of has been co—opt by is sort of has been co—opt by sort of racist right sort of racist far right nationalists don't nationalists has it? i don't know. right. well know. yes, you're right. well from i was growing from america, when i was growing up and white anglo—saxon up and a white anglo—saxon protestant was was wasp. protestant was was a wasp. yeah. and they had a particular bteoe— yeah. and they had a particular bteoe tn— yeah. and they had a particular place in american— yeah. and they had a particular place in american society of twe— place in american society of ttbe-wno— place in american society of like _who were - place in american society of like who were were better like people who were were better tnen— like people who were were better tnen ewewbotw— like people who were were better than everybody else. they were new— than everybody else. they were tnew wee— than everybody else. they were tnew tne— than everybody else. they were they were the upper class. they tne — they were the upper class. they tne bnee— they were the upper class. they were the kings and queens of anettee— were the kings and queens of anettoe. vee— were the kings and queens of america. yes yes.— were the kings and queens of america. yes yes. and as a new tott— america. yes yes. and as a new vow-wee— america. yes yes. and as a new wont-were not— america. yes yes. and as a new york-were not part- america. yes yes. and as a new york were not part of york jew, we were not part of wet.— york jew, we were not part of bet-newe- york jew, we were not part of that.-have we- york jew, we were not part of that. have we were york jew, we were not part of- that.-have we were like that. we could have we were like in that. we could have we were like tn—oweeweel in the we thought of ourselves as in the we thought of ourselves eee—nee - in the we thought of ourselves eee—nee andl as like being down here. and new— as like being down here. and be wee— as like being down here. and they were there _ as like being down here. and they were there and we hated tnen. — they were there and we hated tnen. teen.— they were there and we hated tnen. ween. — they were there and we hated them. yeah. _get- they were there and we hated them. yeah. gill : them. yeah. no, i get the idea that anglo—saxon can that the anglo—saxon can be co—opted idiot co—opted by a bunch of idiot racists, but that doesn't mean that didn't that the anglo—saxon didn't exist. and that's not the way to sort deal with the way sort of deal with it. the way the with it surely, the way to deal with it surely, is deal with racists rather is to deal with racists rather than revise history and than just revise history and pretend didn't. idon't pretend history didn't. i don't see it as a racial issue.- pretend history didn't. i don't see it as a racial issue. i- : i“ t: t: i“ e i don't see it as a racial issue. i see b.— see it as a racial issue. i see b. t— see it as a racial issue. i see

b. t-tne— see it as a racial issue. i see it. i the anglo—saxons as it. i see the anglo—saxons as betng— it. i see the anglo—saxons as betne e— it. i see the anglo—saxons as betne e en— it. i see the anglo—saxons as being a an invader, a colonial groupe— being a an invader, a colonial groupt e— being a an invader, a colonial atone, e group— being a an invader, a colonial group, a group that purports had mass immigration— group, a group that purports had mass immigration , which mass immigration, which teettowet— mass immigration, which destroyed the— mass immigration, which destroyed the indigenous bobwtetton— destroyed the indigenous population of— destroyed the indigenous population of britain. and i tntnb— population of britain. and i tntnb tnew— population of britain. and i think they should be they should be wbbtet. — think they should be they should be vilified. do— think they should be they should be vilified. do you— think they should be they should be vilified. �*jtit be vilified. do you think anglo—saxon should be vilified? so got there in the end. so we got there in the end. lewis hates hates the lewis schaffer hates hates the anglo—saxons, what they did anglo—saxons, but what they did was invasion for the was the invasion for the invasion of this country. you've got to go. that was got to let it go. that was a long time ago. are you going to be having a go at vikings be having a go at the vikings next? you know next? well, do you know eonetntnge— next? well, do you know something? let's- “ti;,b

you are listening to gb news radio . welcome back pitt: welcome back 35tt: welcome back to 35t: welcome back to free radio. welcome back to free sbeeon— radio. welcome back to free speech nation— 35t: welcome back to free speech nation children's charity cnbtttne— speech nation children's charity childline has— speech nation children's charity childline has been heavily otbtoteet— childline has been heavily criticised recently for giving teeneeete—

criticised recently for giving teenagers who _ criticised recently for giving teenagers who think they may be ttenegentet— teenagers who think they may be transgender potentially tengetowe— transgender potentially dangerous advice . c“ t: dangerous advice. childline provides uk children up to the age of 19 with counselling and advice and concerning messages have been found on the charity's forums for example, suggesting girls as young as 14 should administer hormone blockers without telling their parents, and there hasn't been any moderator stepping into those forums. so james sps is a former volunteer. childline counsellor. he joins me now. james welcome to the show. thanks, james. so, tenee— to the show. thanks, james. so, tenee betote— to the show. thanks, james. so, james, before we— thanks, james. so, james, before we begin and talk ebowt— james, before we begin and talk ebowt tneee— james, before we begin and talk about these forums, let's talk ebowt— about these forums, let's talk ebowt wow— about these forums, let's talk about your background. titiii about your background. you were wbn— about your background. you were with childline a time, with childline for a time, weren't was. was weren't you? i was. it was a oowneettot— weren't you? i was. it was a counsellor there— ttttiiii e tit7 i was. it was a counsellor there about five counsellor there for about five ween— counsellor there for about five ween-nest- counsellor there for about five years-must have- counsellor there for about five years must have done counsellor there for about five. years-must have done a years weekly. i must have done a tnoweente— years weekly. i must have done a tnoweente ot— years weekly. i must have done a thousands of hours— years weekly. i must have done a thousands of hours of counselling- thousands of hours of- counselling-people. counselling of young people. ane— counselling of young people. - and—began and what happened there? i began to get concerned. i mean, i saw ent— to get concerned. i mean, i saw more and more children- gill ii: i mean, i saw more and more children coming tntowen— more and more children coming tntowan eewtna— more and more children coming through saying that were through saying that they were tenet— through saying that they were trapped—bodies. through saying that they were trapped—bodies .| trapped in the wrong bodies. tnet— trapped in the wrong bodies. that-concerning- trapped in the wrong bodies. that concerning enough, trapped in the wrong bodies. tfound concerning enough, trapped in the wrong bodies. tfound c0ichildlinetnough, trapped in the wrong bodies. tfound c0ichildline were h, i found that childline were beginning—al i found that childline were- beginning_a gender beginning to encourage a gender beotoew— beginning to encourage a gender ideology counselling ideology through the counselling netnote— ideology through the counselling methods, through— ideology through the counselling methods, through the information be— methods, through the information tnew—owt— methods, through the information tnew—owt to- methods, through the information tnew—owt to wownel methods, through the information they you out to young methods, through the information they you know,out to young methods, through the information they you know, counsellors] people. you know, counsellors eebtng— people. you know, counsellors eebng tot— people. you know, counsellors asking for children's prone names when— asking for children's prone names when they were starting the conversation— names when they were starting the conversation ,_ names when they were starting

the conversation , i raised the conversation, i raised concerns-senior- the conversation, i raised- concerns-senior management concerns with senior management in concerns with senior management tn cnbtttne— concerns with senior management in childline and— concerns with senior management in childline and for— concerns with senior management in childline and for a time it seemed— in childline and for a time it seemed as if— in childline and for a time it seemed as if they were willing to-conversation.- seemed as if they were willing to conversation. but to have a conversation. but ewentwettw— to have a conversation. buti eventually _they'd eventually it seemed they'd had enowen— enough and they gave me the boot. — enough and they gave me the boot. _tnew- enough and they gave me the boot.-they must. enough and they gave me the. boot. _they must have boot. but surely they must have eeoebtet— boot. but surely they must have eeeebtet tnet— boot. but surely they must have accepted that to _ boot. but surely they must have accepted that to ask a child's pronouns te— accepted that to ask a child's pronouns is to. _ accepted that to ask a child's pronouns is to. e e pronouns is to. it's like a test. — pronouns is to. it's like a test. are on board with this test. are you on board with this religious ideology? and that's a position that they shouldn't be taking a support taking as a neutral support mechanism. well, quite right. but i mean, don't seem to but i mean, they don't seem to eeoebt— but i mean, they don't seem to eeoebt tnet— but i mean, they don't seem to accept that-meant- but i mean, they don't seem to accept that meant be accept that they're meant to be non—benteen— accept that they're meant to be non-pertteen. — accept that they're meant to be non—partisan. and- accept that they're meant to be non—partisan . “it: gti;5 accept that they're meant to be non—partisan . “t: gti;5 gti;5 non—partisan. and yes and yes, i would go in for counselling sessions see posters from sessions and see posters from stonewall example, stonewall, for example, plastered walls . i plastered all over the walls. i know stonewall have had know that stonewall have had a real some of real hand in developing some of the materials, of real hand in developing some of the website materials, of real hand in developing some of the website materials of real hand in developing some of the website materials as of real hand in developing some of the website materials as well.: the website materials as well. yes but they seem to be enthralled to ideology. enthralled to this ideology. but very strange, isn't but this is very strange, isn't it? but this is very strange, isn'ti be—eonoebt but this is very strange, isn't. be—eonoebt ot it? because even the concept of bebo— it? because even the concept of betne born— it? because even the concept of being born tn— it? because even the concept of being born in wrong body, being born in the wrong body, tnet-e—tnet- being born in the wrong body, that's—that many. being born in the wrong body,- that's_that many trans that's something that many trans oraenteettone— that's something that many trans organisatitsomething that a know, it's something that for a wnbe— know, it's something that for a while promulgated, while it was promulgated, but tnen— while it was promulgated, buti tnen—out while it was promulgated, but- tnen—owt ent then even mermaids came out and setb— then even mermaids came out and an, tnet-e— then even mermaids came out and an, tnet-e not— then even mermaids came out and said, that's not true.— then even mermaids came out and said, that's not true. so why is wet— said, that's not true. so why is be bee— said, that's not true. so why is that idea being— said, that's not true. so why is that idea being passed around etbte— that idea being passed around etbte — that idea being passed around etbte rte— that idea being passed around still? it's bizarre.— that idea being passed around still? /tit that idea being passed around still? e /tit still? it's bizarre. you know, we know that gender dysphoria is a mental health condition. childline is meant to be a neutral explorative counselling

service for children with including mental health conditions . and yet they seem to conditions. and yet they seem to be content to push this idea that it be content to push this idea thatitis be content to push this idea that it is possible to be trapped body. and trapped in the wrong body. and of we've had mermaids, of course we've had mermaids, wnton— of course we've had mermaids, wnton te— of course we've had mermaids, wnton to e— of course we've had mermaids, which is a trans— of course we've had mermaids, which is a trans children's enerbw— which is a trans children's onerbw .— which is a trans children's enerbw . tnew— which is a trans children's charity . they been charity. they have been investigated _ investigated because there have been—retettne- been some forums relating to members— been some forums relating to mermaids—were. mermaids where they were etwetne— mermaids where they were etwetne-to- mermaids where they were advising-to use. mermaids where they were - advising-to use breast advising children to use breast btntere— advising children to use breast btntere, tor— advising children to use breast binders, for instance, which can oewee-bnwetoet- binders, for instance, which can cause physical damage. cause serious physical damage. so cause serious physical damage. so the— cause serious physical damage. so tnte eeene— cause serious physical damage. so this seems to— cause serious physical damage. so this seems to be something tnet— so this seems to be something we be— so this seems to be something that it's almost— so this seems to be something that it's almost like adults tnboetne— that it's almost like adults tnboetng en— that it's almost like adults imposing an ideology, irrespective - imposing an ideology, irrespective of child safeguarding, correct ? /tit irrespective of child— safeguarding, correct ? you know, safeguarding, correct? you know, at safeguarding, correct? you know, et teeet— safeguarding, correct? you know, at least with mermaids , we know at least with mermaids, we know what they're about. they've they've made that clear from day dot. yes childline is a much beloved organisation in this society. it's there to safeguard the most vulnerable children . the most vulnerable children. okay. well, let's talk about wnet— okay. well, let's talk about we tnew-we— well, let's talk about what they've done. we're talking ebowt— what they've done. we're talking now about these _ what they've done. we're talking now about these and you've been postna— now about these and you've been poettneltot— now about these and you've been poettnaltot on— now about these and you've been posting lot on twitter about posting a lot on twitter about we— posting a lot on twitter about tnte onttne— posting a lot on twitter about this online forums. now you've been—torwnei been monitoring these forums tnrowgn—newei been monitoring these forums. tnrowgn—newe wow through childline. what have you tteoowerete— through childline. what have you discovered?_a- discovered? i did a bit of a beep— discovered? i did a bit of a beep ewe. — discovered? i did a bit of a deep dive. these- discovered? i did a bit of a deep dive. 5titi; deep dive. these are all publicly anyone can publicly available. anyone can go the childline website go onto the childline website and and there's and see these and there's various threads various gender identity threads

in i mean, i say in which children i mean, i say children, but it's quite easy for to go and pretend for an adult to go and pretend they're a child and create a profile. are things such profile. are saying things such as advice on where to as giving advice on where to source cheap breast binders or are saying to a child, if your parents don't want you on puberty blockers go source them behind even behind their back or even a thread came across in thread that i came across in which young person is saying, which a young person is saying, i believe that there's a genocide the genocide against us and the responses from other responses are from other concerned people , children concerned young people, children saying, i'd thought of it saying, i'd never thought of it like , but now, actually i'm like that, but now, actually i'm really there a really scared. there is a genocide against us child line say moderate every say that they moderate every single post that goes in these message boards , which tells me message boards, which tells me that either they're not doing the moderation, which is bad enough, actually enough, or that they're actually completely for this completely fine for this worrying material. now , that's worrying material. now, that's tntereettne— worrying material. now, that's interesting because _ g now, that's interesting because childline interesting because so childline is interesting because so childline te—bsrcc.— interesting because so childline is_ nspcc. they've . is run by the nspcc. they've sent— is run by the nspcc. they've eent we— is run by the nspcc. they've eent we we— is run by the nspcc. they've sent us this statement . they say sent us this statement. they say the childline— sent us this statement. they say the childline message boards are a the childline message boards are e bteee— the childline message boards are e bteee wnere— the childline message boards are a place where young people can ebreee— a place where young people can express themselves and seek and otter— express themselves and seek and otter ewbbon— express themselves and seek and otter ewbbort to— express themselves and seek and offer support to each other on any— offer support to each other on enw-brobten.- any issue or problem. the neeeeeg— any issue or problem. the. neeeege—tet any issue or problem. the- neeeege—tet bw message board posts are led by young— message board posts are led by young pewter— message board posts are led by young peoplee and— message board posts are led by young people, and it is not wnwewet— young people, and it is not wnwewet to— young people, and it is not unusual to find— young people, and it is not unusual to find diverse or

content— unusual to find diverse or conflicting opinions . as you conflicting opinions. as you wbt— conflicting opinions. as you wttt ttnt— conflicting opinions. as you will find on— conflicting opinions. as you will find on any— conflicting opinions. as you will find on any public forum . will find on any public forum. but— will find on any public forum. but ternee— will find on any public forum. but ternee te— will find on any public forum. but james, is it— will find on any public forum. but james, is it not the case tnet— but james, is it not the case be e— but james, is it not the case be e enbt— but james, is it not the case that a child internet forum outb— that a child internet forum owebtlbe— that a child internet forum ought be moderated by adults? ought to be moderated by adults? i ought to be moderated by adults? t—tnew— ought to be moderated by adults? t—tnew tenwtng- ought to be moderated by adults? i-they denying that- i mean, are they denying that were— i mean, are they denying that tnere—one- i mean, are they denying that tnere—one t- i mean, are they denying that. there—on? i mean, there what's going on? i mean, tnet-e— there what's going on? i mean, tnet-e e— there what's going on? i mean, that's a complete— there what's going on? i mean, that's a complete abdication of any— that's a complete abdication of enw-ot— that's a complete abdication of enw-ot cere— that's a complete abdication of enw-ot or— any duty of care or responsibility. it's responsibility. and it's a breach of their own policies. i mean, says it in black and mean, it says it in black and white the website that every white on the website that every single moderated, white on the website that every singworse moderated, white on the website that every singworse than noderated, white on the website that every singworse than this. �*ated, white on the website that every singworse than this. there's a get worse than this. there's a function on childline called ask sam, where young sam, which is where a young person write sam is an person can write in. sam is an anonymous childline counsellor, anonymous childline counsellor, an adult counsellor , so i've an adult counsellor, so i've come across threads that . for come across threads on that. for example, in which person example, in which young person said don't like their said that they don't like their body. they body. they feel like they might be in wrong body. the be born in the wrong body. the counsellor, than counsellor, rather than exploring starts exploring it, openly, starts to suggest puberty blockers cross—sex hormones. i've come across threads in which across other threads in which young girl said that she wanted to but was worried to become a boy but was worried about fertility later to become a boy but was worried abotthis fertility later to become a boy but was worried abotthis childline later to become a boy but was worried abotthis childline counsellor life. this childline counsellor says don't worry about it. you can always get a surrogate to carry the baby for you. mean, carry the baby for you. i mean, this is shocking stuff. this is this is shocking stuff. that's unbelievable. that's betng—ebowtl being very flippant about the entity— being very flippant about the fertility-child— being very flippant about the fertility-child in- being very flippant about the fertility child in later fertility of a child in later be. — fertility of a child in later be. ant,— fertility of a child in later life. and, you— fertility of a child in later life. and, you know, this is a

born— life. and, you know, this is a botnt tnet— life. and, you know, this is a point that i've— life. and, you know, this is a point that i've made again and etern— point that i've made again and egetnltnte— point that i've made again and again .this show.— point that i've made again and again this show. and i'm not again on this show. and i'm not going— again on this show. and i'm not going to— again on this show. and i'm not going to etob— again on this show. and i'm not going to stop making which again on this show. and i'm not going tthe op making which again on this show. and i'm not going tthe majorityig which again on this show. and i'm not going tthe majorityig the hich again on this show. and i'm not going tthe majorityig the vast is that the majority of the vast netorbw— is that the majority of the vast netorbw ot— is that the majority of the vast majority of children who are reterret — majority of children who are referred paediatric referred to gender paediatric ettntee— referred to gender paediatric ettntee-to— referred to gender paediatric clinics-to.same- clinics tend to be same sex ettreetet.— clinics tend to be same sex attracted. hannah attracted. i think hannah barnes's-said- attracted. i think hannah barnes's-said 80 barnes's book said between 80 ene— barnes's book said between 80 end-tot— barnes's book said between 80 ent-tot ot— barnes's book said between 80 and-lot of them- barnes's book said between 80 and lot of them are on the and 90. a lot of them are on the ewttette— and 90. a lot of them are on the autistic spectrum— and 90. a lot of them are on the autistic spectrum well. autistic spectrum as well. tnere-e— autistic spectrum as well. there's—otherl there's all sorts of other reasons explain why reasons which explain why eertetn— reasons which explain why certain-feel- reasons which explain why certain-feel a- reasons which explain why certain feel a sense reasons which explain why- certain-feel a sense of certain children feel a sense of gender— certain children feel a sense of gender dysphoria. _ certain children feel a sense of gender dysphoria. so why aren't gay gender dysphoria. so why aren't aew nonre— gender dysphoria. so why aren't gay rights groups— gender dysphoria. so why aren't gay rights groups outraged about tntee— gay rights groups outraged about this? because— gay rights groups outraged about this? because what we're etteettwetw— this? because what we're effectively seeing is people fixing— effectively seeing is people ttotng gey— effectively seeing is people fixing gay gay— effectively seeing is people fixing gay gay people through medicalisation_ fixing gay gay people through medicalisation because they're not-tente— medicalisation because they're not-rights groups- medicalisation because they're not rights groups anymore. not gay rights groups anymore. tnet-e— not gay rights groups anymore. tnet-e why— not gay rights groups anymore. that's why there's— not gay rights groups anymore. that's why there's the- not gay rights groups anymore. that's why there's the need for groups lgb alliance, groups like lgb alliance, because the old historic groups are concerned by the other are more concerned by the other letters that are followed on in the alphabet soup. over recent years things are years. and these things are completely conflicting with one another. mean, you're another. i mean, you're conflating day basis conflating on a day to day basis simply using the term lgbt simply by using the term lgbt one sexuality with gender dysphoria or again, a mental health condition . but then, you health condition. but then, you know,— health condition. but then, you know b— health condition. but then, you know b be— health condition. but then, you know, if it's an— health condition. but then, you know, if it's an adult- health condition. but then, you know, if it's an adult to- tti“t: c it“ but then, you know, if it's an adult to say i: e t’iit3 but then, you know, if it's an adult to say if an know, if it's an adult to say if en etwb— know, if it's an adult to say if an adult feels— know, if it's an adult to say if an adult feels for— know, if it's an adult to say if an adult feels for whatever tnew— an adult feels for whatever reason they want to undertake ewreew— reason they want to undertake ewrgew tor— reason they want to undertake surgery for whatever reason, tnew—

surgery for whatever reason, tnew-to — surgery for whatever reason, they-to change- surgery for whatever reason, they to change their body they want to change their body in they want to change their body tn e— they want to change their body tn e ttberet— they want to change their body in a liberal society, you know, were— in a liberal society, you know, tnere ntent— in a liberal society, you know, there might be— in a liberal society, you know, there might be mental health issues there— there might be mental health issues there and— there might be mental health issues there and other issues tnet— issues there and other issues be won— issues there and other issues we wow-went- issues there and other issues that you _want to - issues there and other issues that you want to explore. that you might want to explore. but that you might want to explore. bet—tn— that you might want to explore. bet—tn e— that you might want to explore. but—in a liberal- but ultimately, in a liberal eoetetw— but ultimately, in a liberal society, adults— but ultimately, in a liberal society, adults get to do what new— society, adults get to do what tnew-rtente — society, adults get to do what they-right? yes,- society, adults get to do what they right? t“/ti;5t int“ ti.“ they want, right? yes, which is why— they want, right? yes, which is why said i would why i've never said that i would call on all of these call for a ban on all of these surgeries procedures medical surgeries, procedures or medical procedures adults. but for procedures for adults. but for children, completely children, it's completely different. and i mean, it's a strange, strange place live strange, strange place we live in. child can't buy in. if a child can't buy a scratch card or or have a pint in the pub, but can consent to irreversible bodily changes and potentially infertility in later life as well. i mean, it's crazy. and you've been life as well. i mean, it's- crazy. and you've been speaking out ebowt— crazy. and you've been speaking out about this— crazy. and you've been speaking out about this for— crazy. and you've been speaking out about this for a— i and you've been speaking out about this for a long time ent— out about this for a long time ent wow-we— out about this for a long time now and you've had a lot of consequence, haven't you, for doing— consequence, haven't you, for totnele — consequence, haven't you, for totnele t— consequence, haven't you, for totnele t newe- consequence, haven't you, for doing.? i have. i- consequence, haven't you, for doing ? doing so? i have. i was i was doing so? i have. i was i was doing a master's degree in psychotherapy. i was three years into the cusp of setting into this on the cusp of setting up private practise, was up a private practise, and i was expelled email. i was expelled over an email. i was told that i'd brought them into disrepute and i'm now having to take the employment take them to the employment tribunal discrimination. take them to the employment tribunil discrimination. take them to the employment tribuni mean scrimination. take them to the employment tribuni mean ,crimination. take them to the employment tribuni mean , myiination. take them to the employment tribuni mean , my wholei. of yeah, i mean, my whole kind of future life has been , well, future life plan has been, well, it overnight. and

it evaporated overnight. and what i don't understand- what i don't understand about we— what i don't understand about tnte—een- this is why why can a conversation- this is why why can a conversation not happen ? we're conversation not happen? we're teettne— conversation not happen? we're teettng wbn— conversation not happen? we're dealing with the— conversation not happen? we're dealing with the safeguarding of ebbtren— children. so surely that should be—now- children. so surely that should be—now eenl children. so surely that should be—now bi be the top priority. how can it boeetbtw— be the top priority. how can it boeetbtw-eo— be the top priority. how can it possibly-so many- be the top priority. how can it possibly so many major possibly be that so many major tnetbwttone— possibly be that so many major institutions have— possibly be that so many major institutions have just bought tnto—to into this without stopping to tntnb—newbel into this without stopping to. think—maybe we're think and thinking maybe we're doing— think and thinking maybe we're borne—tnen- think and thinking maybe we're doing—than good- think and thinking maybe we're- doing_than good here? doing more harm than good here? i've doing more harm than good here? be reeked— doing more harm than good here? be noted my— doing more harm than good here? i've racked my brain— doing more harm than good here? i've racked my brain with- doing more harm than good here? i've racked my brain with that. andrew think for some andrew and i think for some people, genuinely people, they genuinely believe they're right thing. they're doing the right thing. for others, they're too scared to out. for some, they to speak out. for some, they just want an easy life. and for some i think may be some i think they may well be pure i've come to the pure evil. but i've come to the conclusion that i don't really care reasoning care what the reasoning is anymore outcome, anymore because the outcome, which harm to our children, which is harm to our children, happens time. james sps, happens every time. james sps, thanks very much for joining me. thank you . so next, coming up on thank you. so next, coming up on tree— thank you. so next, coming up on tree sbeeen— thank you. so next, coming up on free speech nation,— thank you. so next, coming up on free speech nation, beth bestselling _ free speech nation, beth bestselling author michael shellenberger— bestselling author michael shellenberger will be here to tett— shellenberger will be here to tett we— shellenberger will be here to tett we noe— shellenberger will be here to tell us more about the counter—disinformation team set up by— counter—disinformation team set up by tne— counter—disinformation team set up by tne tw— counter—disinformation team set up by the uk government . don't up by the uk government. don't go ewey—

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that? because over there we saw tnet— that? because over there we saw that-evidence,- that? because over there we saw that evidence, wasn't that there was evidence, wasn't bere— that there was evidence, wasn't naelame— that there was evidence, wasn't there, . some kind _ that there was evidence, wasn't there, some kind of collusion there, of some kind of collusion between— there, of some kind of collusion between tne— there, of some kind of collusion between the uk,— there, of some kind of collusion between the uk, us between the uk, the us authorities _ between the uk, the us authorities and the social media dente— authorities and the social media gtente .— authorities and the social media atente . swe— authorities and the social media giants . sure. so— authorities and the social media giants . sure. so what we giants. sure. so what we discovered— giants. sure. so what we discovered in— giants. sure. so what we discovered in the twitter files is discovered in the twitter files te extrenety— discovered in the twitter files is extremely similar to what oeewnet tn— is extremely similar to what occurred in great britain , as occurred in great britain, as reported— occurred in great britain, as reportet by— occurred in great britain, as reported by the— occurred in great britain, as reported by the telegraph yeetertey— reported by the telegraph yeetertey ,— reported by the telegraph yesterday , but also had been yesterday, but also had been brewowety— yesterday, but also had been previously reported in what i bettewe— previously reported in what i bettewe tne— previously reported in what i believe the telegraph had called the believe the telegraph had called tne-tbee— believe the telegraph had called the files including the lockdown files including enette— the lockdown files including enette tron— the lockdown files including emails from .— the lockdown files including emails from . one of your emails from. one of your government— emails from. one of your government ministers, hancock to teeeboob— government ministers, hancock to facebook executive _ government ministers, hancock to facebook executive nick clegg . facebook executive nick clegg. very— facebook executive nick clegg. very etnber— facebook executive nick clegg. very similar dynamic— facebook executive nick clegg. very similar dynamic here- facebook executive nick clegg. very similar dynamic here with white house officials putting direct pressure on facebook to censor the what facebook called often true posts , including often true posts, including around a post around vaccine side effects that they feared would cause vaccine hesitancy in the twitter files. we discovered that there was a large operation run by us government agencies, including department of homeland security, that that interacted with private sector ngos that

then that then flagged social media posts , disfavoured social media posts, disfavoured social media posts, disfavoured social media posts, disfavoured social media posts that they wanted, twitter and facebook to censor. and they reported very high levels of compliance . somewhere levels of compliance. somewhere between 20 and 50% compliance. and what was what was really satisfying about the telegraph reporting yesterday is that it verified that everything that we had found had also occurred in britain . i mean, that's not good britain. i mean, that's not good news. but it had come at a time when people were were suggesting that what we discovered was that what we had discovered was very innocent government flagging of social media posts and not censorship. i think what you see in both countries is very heavy handed pressure by governments on the social media companies to censor these disfavoured views, many of which were among some of the twitter files that were released. there were emails that were- �*7 : there were emails that were showing now— were emails that were showing now rnernereb— were emails that were showing how members of— were emails that were showing how members of the democrat party— how members of the democrat reny wee— how members of the democrat party were flagging certain tweete— party were flagging certain tweete eeytna— party were flagging certain tweets saying, could we deal wbn— tweets saying, could we deal wbn tneee,— tweets saying, could we deal with these, take— tweets saying, could we deal with these, take these down? to be-tne — with these, take these down? to be the republicans were at be fair, the republicans were at it be fair, the republicans were at b ee— be fair, the republicans were at b ee wett. — be fair, the republicans were at

it as well. but— be fair, the republicans were at it as well. but of— be fair, the republicans were at it as well. but of course, beeee— it as well. but of course, because silicon- it as well. but of course, because silicon valley didn't align— because silicon valley didn't align republican align with the republican worldview,— align with the republican worldview, those worldview, not as many of thosei were-.imean,-kind were actioned. i mean, this kind of were actioned. i mean, this kind ot tntne— were actioned. i mean, this kind of thing-incredibly— were actioned. i mean, this kind of thing incredibly serious, of thing is incredibly serious, ten-t— of thing is incredibly serious, tent-ant— of thing is incredibly serious, isn't-and wny— of thing is incredibly serious, isn't-and why is- of thing is incredibly serious, isn't and why is the case isn't it? and why is it the case tnet— isn't it? and why is it the case bet the— isn't it? and why is it the case that this did— isn't it? and why is it the case that this did not— isn't it? and why is it the case that this did not get as much coverage as it— that this did not get as much coverage as it ought have coverage as it ought to have tone— coverage as it ought to have toneltne— coverage as it ought to have done-the media?- coverage as it ought to have done the media? why do you done in the media? why do you tntnb—t- done in the media? why do you tntnb—t tntnbl done in the media? why do youi think—i think the think that is? well, i think the media is part of the problem in many cases. it's part of what you call the censorship you would call the censorship industrial , which i industrial complex, which i should add, we are coming to britain on june 22nd at 7 pm. in central hall, westminster to expose at greater length , in expose at greater length, in part because we think that the united states and great britain have historic . oakley defended have historic. oakley defended free speech as people of english speaking nations that have a significant role in in shaping how governments around the world think about this, how people around the world think about this . so i around the world think about this. so i think that the media has really failed. i was extremely happy to see the telegraph's report , and i think telegraph's report, and i think that the story will increasingly come out because clear come out because it's clear there was a major government

effort in the united states, in great britain , across the eu, great britain, across the eu, andifs great britain, across the eu, and it's now happening around the world, where there has been significant censorship over the last three years of disfavoured views that were often very accurate, including telling people's personal experiences of an experimental drugs side effect , that one that we might effect, that one that we might think had more benefits than harms. and i certainly took the vaccine myself. but nonetheless , it's been in the public interest to fight for knowing the side effects of drugs over the side effects of drugs over the last several decades to so to see the media just play cheerleader while accepting significant amounts of money, you may know pfizer invested many tens of millions of dollars in advertising, which all those media companies took. and then, of course, they have a direct competitive interest not in not allowing alternative media where in social media they want the advertising money for themselves. so i think there was a lot of reasons why the advertisers , why the mainstream advertisers, why the mainstream

news media to have ignored the story to date . but news media to have ignored the story to date. but in a news media to have ignored the story to date . but in a sense story to date. but in a sense you— story to date. but in a sense yow een— story to date. but in a sense you can understand- 5titig : but in a sense you can understand and i don't ebbrowe— you can understand and i don't ebbrowe ot— you can understand and i don't ebbrowe ot b.— you can understand and i don't approve of it, but— you can understand and i don't approve of it, but you can understand— approve of it, but you can understand websites like youtube and understand websites like youtube ent bteeee— understand websites like youtube ent bteeee tnet— understand websites like youtube and places that are themselves newe— and places that are themselves newe en— and places that are themselves have an ideological point of wew— have an ideological point of view censoring— have an ideological point of view censoring certain things tnet— view censoring certain things tnet-etten— view censoring certain things that-align with- view censoring certain things that align with it. it's that don't align with it. it's eonbtetety—yowi that don't align with it. it's- completely _you know completely wrong. but you know wnere—wnyi where they're coming from. why but where they're coming from. why bwt-eonee— where they're coming from. why bwt-eonee to- where they're coming from. why but-comes to a- but when it comes to a government,- but when it comes to a- government,-you're government, i mean, you're teeertbtne— government, i mean, you're describing worldwide trend describing a worldwide trend enone— describing a worldwide trend among governments to actually ttnb— among governments to actually ttntt tne— among governments to actually limit the scope— among governments to actually limit the scope of— among governments to actually limit the scope of potential conversation _ limit the scope of potential conversation options. why would bet— conversation options. why would tnetltne— conversation options. why would tnetltne-wny- conversation options. why would that the why won't the that be the case? why won't the why— that be the case? why won't the wny won-t— that be the case? why won't the why won't governments accept tnet— why won't governments accept that-discussion - why won't governments accept. that - discussion _these that more discussion about these things— that more discussion about these things-best?— that more discussion about these things-best.7 well,— that more discussion about these things best? well, it things is best? well, it certainly— things is best? well, it certainly appears that in english— certainly appears that in english language nations , english language nations, including— english language nations, including britain and the united states— including britain and the united states realty— including britain and the united states really after— including britain and the united states really after 2016, there in the— states really after 2016, there in the wake— states really after 2016, there in the wake of— states really after 2016, there in the wake of brexit and the election— in the wake of brexit and the election ef— in the wake of brexit and the election of trump, there was an effere— election of trump, there was an ettett ty— election of trump, there was an effort by military— election of trump, there was an effort by military and intelligence organisations in tett— intelligence organisations in both britain— intelligence organisations in both britain and the united states,— both britain and the united states, including ngos, that they— states, including ngos, that they wett— states, including ngos, that they weet veh— states, including ngos, that they work very closely with, to wett— they work very closely with, to weet wtth— they work very closely with, to work with two, _ they work very closely with, to work with two, to— they work very closely with, to work with two, to basically teheht— work with two, to basically demand greater censorship. 't: demand greater censorship. and they— demand greater censorship. and they hete— demand greater censorship. and they doing— demand greater censorship. and they were doing it— demand greater censorship. and they were doing it through various causes. so it included

election denialism in the united states. it's included covid vaccines and also covid origins. it's included now the war in ukraine, which whatever you think of it, we should have a free debate about it. include climate change. and now the latest thing is so—called hate speech, which we have shown that there is really no evidence that any incidents of hate on any significant levels are increasing in the western world. but yet in all of these countries, britain, the united states, canada, australia, new zealand , brazil, all the states, canada, australia, new zealand , brazil , all the excuses zealand, brazil, all the excuses being used that there is more hate online as a way to demand greater censorship. so we see basically elites looking for reasons to justify greater censorship . in some ways it censorship. in some ways it gives the sense that the ultimate goal is just to have a censorship apparatus, that they have greater control over and they're using these issues in order to establish that apparatus. i mean , the way you apparatus. i mean, the way you

say that, it sounds like you think it's this is this has been designed this way. i mean, my teeth;— designed this way. i mean, my teethg htght— designed this way. i mean, my feeling might be— designed this way. i mean, my feeling might be that- designed this way. i mean, my feeling might be that it- d i mean, my feeling might be that it might be well—intentioned people be just well—intentioned people getthe— be just well—intentioned people tenth-wrong.- be just well—intentioned people getthe-thehg. .- be just well—intentioned people getting wrong. i mean, getting it really wrong. i mean, the-the— getting it really wrong. i mean, the-thte uhtt— getting it really wrong. i mean, the-this unit was- getting it really wrong. i mean, the this unit was the the name of this unit was the disinformation— the name of this unit was the disinformation unit. and what if these—actually- these people have actually hettevet— these people have actually believed—that. these people have actually. believed _that this believed themselves that this stutt— believed themselves that this stuff-nation,- believed themselves that this stuff nation, that stuff is disinfo nation, that these— stuff is disinfo nation, that these-ete- stuff is disinfo nation, that these-are not- stuff is disinfo nation, that these are not for these things are not up for debate— these things are not up for. tehetee—tt-e debate? or do you think it's here-then- debate? or do you think it's. more _than _well, more sinister than that? well, there-e— more sinister than that? well, there-e-eh- more sinister than that? well, there's an organic there's definitely an organic eteheht— there's definitely an organic eteheht et— there's definitely an organic element of self—censorship that ye— element of self—censorship that you've documented and we've teeuhehtet— you've documented and we've documented here— you've documented and we've documented here in the united states.— documented here in the united states. — documented here in the united states. the— documented here in the united states. this this— documented here in the united states. " page" ti. documented here in the united states. " 3" ti 3: states. this this organic demand that people use, particular pronouns , for example, that pronouns, for example, that people use language in particular ways that can sometimes be quite ridiculous. that's a very real phenomenon that comes from the culture. i don't think anybody doubts that that's real. but what we have also seen is government agencies , certainly in the united states , using that sort of what you might call cultural wokeism, a kind of political correctness us, particularly around so—called hate speech race. but also climate change. certainly

covid and election denialism and using those justifications for censorship just because you're looking if you want to justify censorship, you have to point to real world harm. and so what those what that cultural wokeism doesisit those what that cultural wokeism does is it provides what you might call a predicate for censorship . and they keep censorship. and they keep seeking predicates. us seeking out new predicates. us isn't it interesting, g us isn't it interesting, though, that— isn't it interesting, though, that hyhe— isn't it interesting, though, that anyone who knows anything about— that anyone who knows anything eheut-htetety— that anyone who knows anything about history censorship about the history of censorship thewe— about the history of censorship teeth-thet- about the history of censorship knows-that the- about the history of censorship knows that the very knows full well that the very heret— knows full well that the very weet-yet — knows full well that the very worst _you can - knows full well that the very worst you can with bad worst thing you can do with bad teete— worst thing you can do with bad tteeelte— worst thing you can do with bad ideas-to suppress— worst thing you can do with bad ideas to suppress them ideas is to suppress them because— ideas is to suppress them because -fester- ideas is to suppress them because fester and they because they fester and they grew. — because they fester and they grew. hht — because they fester and they grew. the t-ve— because they fester and they grow. and i've seen some pretty crazy— grow. and i've seen some pretty crazy eehepthey— grow. and i've seen some pretty crazy conspiracy theories regarding— crazy conspiracy theories regarding the— crazy conspiracy theories regarding the covid pandemic. but regarding the covid pandemic. hut tt— regarding the covid pandemic. hut tt ehythhe— regarding the covid pandemic. but if anything ,— regarding the covid pandemic. but if anything , these things, but if anything, these things, it but if anything, these things, tt ethtee— but if anything, these things, it strikes me,— but if anything, these things, it strikes me, have proliferated pteeteety— it strikes me, have proliferated precisely because _ it strikes me, have proliferated precisely because these kind of reporte— precisely because these kind of reports ceme— precisely because these kind of reports come out— precisely because these kind of reports come out showing that gevethhehet— reports come out showing that. governments—curtailing governments have been curtailing eheeeh. — governments have been curtailing eheeeh. whet— governments have been curtailing speech that te— governments have been curtailing speech. what do think speech. what do you think of hate— speech. what do you think of that?-certainly- speech. what do you think of that? certainly it's that? well, certainly it's eettet— that? well, certainly it's called there's- that? well, certainly it's called there's something called the-streisand— called there's something called the streisand effect, the barbra streisand effect, because— the barbra streisand effect, heeeuee—tel because when she tried to prevent— because when she tried to prevent the — because when she tried to prevent the publication of photos— prevent the publication of photos et— prevent the publication of photos of her— prevent the publication of photos of her house in california,— photos of her house in california, everybody wanted to teet— california, everybody wanted to hot at— california, everybody wanted to hot at the — california, everybody wanted to look at the photographs . look at the photographs. i also wette— look at the photographs. i also weutt petht— look at the photographs. i also would point out— look at the photographs. i also would point out that there is no

movement for human liberation in in the history of humankind . and in the history of humankind. and whether from slavery or the women's right to vote or any civil rights movement that has ever demanded censorship , it's ever demanded censorship, it's always been the opposite. they've always demanded their right to speak. so to they've always demanded their right to speak . so to see they've always demanded their right to speak. so to see groups that are claiming to want censorship in the name of human freedom or of democracy, you know that they are obviously totalitarian or authoritarian at a minimum in their intentions, and that those aren't good intentions. those are poor intentions. those are poor intentions and so we're i think we're at risk of seeing a kind of, you know, psychopathology that's been in the culture for a long time, being being taken advantage of by some state actors , as with taxpayer money, actors, as with taxpayer money, to demand that we not be allowed for ourselves. what information an we should decide to believe and not believe, which has been the tradition in our countries for over 250 years. but given that we're now in the digital

age, how can we possibly tackle this? i mean, it looks like the ehty— this? i mean, it looks like the ehty hey— this? i mean, it looks like the ehty hey we— this? i mean, it looks like the ehty hey we eth— this? i mean, it looks like the only way we can do- 57 i mean, it looks like the only way we can do so is 37 i mean, it looks like the only way we can do so is if we rety— only way we can do so is if we tety eh— only way we can do so is if we tety on the— only way we can do so is if we rely on the world's— only way we can do so is if we rely on the world's richest peehte— rely on the world's richest people-up- rely on the world's richest people up platforms and people to buy up platforms and teete— people to buy up platforms and thee-te— people to buy up platforms and force _to accept— people to buy up platforms and force to accept speech force them to accept free speech ent— force them to accept free speech and—documents- force them to accept free speech and documents that and to leak the documents that they— and to leak the documents that shew-extent— and to leak the documents that show - extent of _ and to leak the documents that show .extent of the - show the extent of the suppression - show the extent of the suppression that going show the extent of the - suppression that-going on. suppression that was going on. but suppression that was going on. hut there-e— suppression that was going on. but there's only— suppression that was going on. but there's only one elon musk, ent— but there's only one elon musk, the-tent— but there's only one elon musk, the-tent tethe— but there's only one elon musk, and-isn't going to- but there's only one elon musk, and isn't going to happen and this isn't going to happen teeth—meth- and this isn't going to happen. again_mean,.this again and again. i mean, is this again and again. i mean, is this e-teet— again and again. i mean, is this e-teet eeuee— again and again. i mean, is this e-teet e - again and again. i mean, is this a-lost cause ? well,- again and again. i mean, is this a lost cause ? �*ftttzgi a sort of lost cause? well, we ten-t— a sort of lost cause? well, we don't think so . i think that, don't think so. i think that, you know, we the most important thing is that the vast majority of people in the united states and in britain and i believe around world, would like around the world, would like to have strong free speech have very strong free speech protections we have in the protections like we have in the united states, where we have a first amendment. we not allow first amendment. we do not allow the government to regulate speech. a very strong level speech. it's a very strong level of protection. we think that that ought be the standard that ought to be the standard worldwide that social worldwide and that the social media must that media companies must take that standard worldwide and that the content moderation decision that they make should they inevitably make should simply be reported. since more speech is the solution, not less speech is the solution, not less speech or censorship. and so we are, as i mentioned , building

are, as i mentioned, building a free speech movement around the world. many of the people that you would have thought that would have been on the side of more have actually more free speech have actually been censorship. sadly been demanding censorship. sadly and ironically and so we are coming to london on june 22nd to the 23rd. we're doing an event at 7 pm. on june 22nd with russell brand at at central hall, westminster to really build this movement because really the united states and britain are the heart of the global movement that's existed for hundreds of years to demand greater free speech rights. and we want to see citizens demanding very high first amendment levels of free speech for all of our countries around the world, whether they're in the world, whether they're in the west and english speaking or they're places like india and they're in places like india and turkey, are turkey, which which are also governments censorship governments demanding censorship . ultimately there . so we think ultimately there needs a citizens movement. needs to be a citizens movement. well, sounds very, very well, this sounds very, very important me. i'm glad to important to me. i'm glad to hear important to me. i'm glad to heat y-e— important to me. i'm glad to hear you're coming- important to me. i'm glad to hear you're coming to- i'm glad to hear you're coming to london june— hear you're coming to london june-i— hear you're coming to london june-i thht— hear you're coming to london june i think people should june 22nd. i think people should tethttety— june 22nd. i think people should definitely-along— june 22nd. i think people should definitely along they're definitely go along if they're atte— definitely go along if they're ehtelte— definitely go along if they're ehtelte ee— definitely go along if they're ehtelte ee .— definitely go along if they're able do so . michael able to do so. michael shellenberger, thanks ever so much — shellenberger, thanks ever so much—he- shellenberger, thanks ever so much me. thanks shellenberger, thanks ever so. much—me. thanks so much forjoining me. thanks so

much— much forjoining me. thanks so much andrew.— much forjoining me. thanks so much, andrew. so— much forjoining me. thanks so much, andrew. so that's all we got much, andrew. so that's all we get the— much, andrew. so that's all we get the ter— much, andrew. so that's all we get the tee et— much, andrew. so that's all we got time for at the— much, andrew. so that's all we got time for at the moment, but do got time for at the moment, but te join— got time for at the moment, but te join ee— got time for at the moment, but do join us after— got time for at the moment, but do join us after the— got time for at the moment, but do join us after the break on tree— do join us after the break on tree speech— do join us after the break on free speech nation, where i'll be free speech nation, where i'll he egeethg— free speech nation, where i'll he egeethg te— free speech nation, where i'll be speaking to ella whelan about the preteete— be speaking to ella whelan about the protests which— be speaking to ella whelan about the protests which disrupted be speaking to ella whelan about the protezstock'sh disrupted be speaking to ella whelan about the protezstock's speech)ted be speaking to ella whelan about the protezstock's speech atd be speaking to ella whelan about the protezstock's speech at the kathleen stock's speech at the ethere— kathleen stock's speech at the extett uhteh— kathleen stock's speech at the oxford union last— kathleen stock's speech at the oxford union last week .

whoa . welcome back to free whoa. welcome back to free speech— whoa. welcome back to free speech nation— whoa. welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew heyte— speech nation with me, andrew heyte eettvtet— speech nation with me, andrew doyle activist riz— speech nation with me, andrew doyle activist riz posnet ttetuptet— doyle activist riz posnet ttetugtet e— doyle activist riz posnet disrupted a speech by gender ehtteet— disrupted a speech by gender critical feminist— disrupted a speech by gender critical feminist kathleen stock to critical feminist kathleen stock te the — critical feminist kathleen stock te the extent— critical feminist kathleen stock to the oxford union debating seetety— to the oxford union debating society earlier— to the oxford union debating society earlier this week, weehhg— society earlier this week, weehhg e— society earlier this week, weehhg e t— society earlier this week, wearing a t shirt which read no teet— wearing a t shirt which read no more dead trans— wearing a t shirt which read no more dead trans kids, posnett gtuet— more dead trans kids, posnett gtuet heteett— more dead trans kids, posnett glued herself to— more dead trans kids, posnett glued herself to the floor hetete— glued herself to the floor before being _ glued herself to the floor before being removed by police. heehet— before being removed by police. heehet hee— before being removed by police. posnet has been— before being removed by police. posnet has been praised in many ghettete— posnet has been praised in many ghettete tet— posnet has been praised in many ghettete her her— posnet has been praised in many quarters for her stunt, and she tett— quarters for her stunt, and she said ,— quarters for her stunt, and she eett , guete— quarters for her stunt, and she eett , guete, t— quarters for her stunt, and she said , quote, i respect said, quote, i respect kathleen's- said, quote, i respect kathleen's right to free speech, but kathleen's right to free speech, hut th— kathleen's right to free speech, hut th the— kathleen's right to free speech, but i'm also painfully aware of the consequences— but i'm also painfully aware of the consequences of her tett—tethe— the consequences of her anti—trans propaganda for her

ahe— anti—trans propaganda for her career. and image is built eteuht— career. and image is built around misinformation and fear hehgehhg.— around misinformation and fear hehgehhg. the— around misinformation and fear mongering. the consequences of eteete— mongering. the consequences of eteete ,— mongering. the consequences of eteete , heeeeeg— mongering. the consequences of stocks , message and the broader stocks, message and the broader meth— stocks, message and the broader hette hete— stocks, message and the broader media hate campaign are etehetve— media hate campaign are extensive. trans people in the uk extensive. trans people in the tth ee— extensive. trans people in the uk are stigmatised, threatened and harassed.— uk are stigmatised, threatened and harassed. l'oreal journalist of and harassed. l'oreal journalist et tether— and harassed. l'oreal journalist et eutheteht— and harassed. l'oreal journalist of author and author of what weheh— of author and author of what weheh whet,— of author and author of what women want, joins me now. weteehe— women want, joins me now. heteehe te— women want, joins me now. welcome to the— women want, joins me now. welcome to the show. hello. i've teet— welcome to the show. hello. i've just teet— welcome to the show. hello. i've tuet tett thet— welcome to the show. hello. i've just read that statement by the eettvtet-e— just read that statement by the activist's kosnett. _ just read that statement by the activist's kosnett. first thing to activist's kosnett. first thing te ety— activist's kosnett. first thing te eey te— activist's kosnett. first thing te say he tt— activist's kosnett. first thing to say is it all— activist's kosnett. first thing to say is it all seems factually heeheet — to say is it all seems factually incorrect. yes— to say is it all seems factually incorrect. yes .— to say is it all seems factually incorrect. yes. i— to say is it all seems factually incorrect. t/tzi;3 " incorrect. yes. i mean, well, it's outrageous to suggest that there is a direct link between kathleen stock making arguments or writing books about women's rights, gender issues or even or even anything to do with trans rights or trans people , that rights or trans people, that there would be a direct link between that and the death of trans people. as she was suggesting. that's that's completely outrageous and untrue . i think kathleen stock is blue in the face saying that actually most of the time she doesn't talk about trans people. she's talking . and so talking about women. and so there's a kind of horrible irony in also there is this

in that. but also there is this sort of slightly humorous kind of suggestion that in one of the parts of her statement is that kathleen stock's comments are unked kathleen stock's comments are linked to waiting times and genden linked to waiting times and gender, reaffirming surgery or treatment, which is i mean, that's slightly off the hook, but there's a kind of yes, i mean, it seems very histrionic. and, you know, the thing and, you know, theathing about and, you know, the thing about thet— and, you know, the thing about that te— and, you know, the thing about that he she— and, you know, the thing about that is she also— and, you know, the thing about that is she also says that she's ehtt— that is she also says that she's ehtt-hghte— that is she also says that she's anti-rights-kind. anti trans rights in this kind of anti trans rights in this kind et-teetuetty— anti trans rights in this kind of factually wrong of that's factually wrong as wet. — of that's factually wrong as well. _kathleen- of that's factually wrong as well.-kathleen has well. i mean, kathleen stock has tepeetetty— well. i mean, kathleen stock has tepeetetty-thet- repeatedly asserted that the thgettehee— repeatedly asserted that the importance people importance for trans people to have—evetyehei have equal rights as everyone etee— have equal rights as everyone eee-.— have equal rights as everyone etee- ant— have equal rights as everyone etee- ant tt— have equal rights as everyone else... and it kind- have equal rights as everyone else... and it kind of. have equal rights as everyonei else.-. and it kind of gets else. yes. and it kind of gets irritating having constantly irritating having to constantly reiterate that a woman, reiterate that as a woman, because trying to talk because who's trying to talk about spaces? i'm sure about women's spaces? i'm sure it must take off. kathleen stock, who's talking about asked to talk about this all the time. but think you have to kind of but i think you have to kind of take a step back and say, are we meant seriously engage the meant to seriously engage the minute i saw the t shirt, yes. i thought, i'm not going to be seriously this seriously engaging with this person because if you are in actual weaponizing death or actual fact weaponizing death or suicide whatever that suicide or whatever it is that you're suggesting, trans people are of, in order shut are dying of, in order to shut down a speaker, then for me,

you've already lost the argument. but that happens again and argument. but that happens again the egeh— argument. but that happens again the egeh wtth— argument. but that happens again and again with activists— fig. but that happens again and again with activists sort of eeyhg— and again with activists sort of eeyhg te— and again with activists sort of saying to parents— and again with activists sort of saying to parents of children the— saying to parents of children tthe-have— saying to parents of children who have struggling with who might have struggling with thee— who might have struggling with thett—ettl who might have struggling with the—eth- who might have struggling with th

a prison or who you would allow into room. things into a changing room. things like shouldn't be the like that. that shouldn't be the cause taking their cause of someone taking their own part the own life. now part of the problem, course, that problem, of course, is that activists discuss activists refuse to discuss stonewall's mantra for so long was no debate . but that's why was no debate. but that's why the— was no debate. but that's why the te— was no debate. but that's why this is fundamental— this is fundamental misunderstanding. on one misunderstanding. on the one heed.— misunderstanding. on the one hang-get— misunderstanding. on the one hand, got activists hand, you've got activists for when — hand, you've got activists for when the— hand, you've got activists for whom the idea— hand, you've got activists for whom the idea of male and female hen—these— whom the idea of male and female hen—these ee- man and woman, these are ttehttty— man and woman, these are. ttehttty—theh man and woman, these are. identitjgot_then man and woman, these are identitjgot feminists then man and woman, these are identitjgot feminists forthen man and woman, these are identitjgot feminists for whom you've got feminists for whom not you've got feminists for whom het thet— you've got feminists for whom not just feminists, but 99% of human— not just feminists, but 99% of human-tet— not just feminists, but 99% of human _for whom - not just feminists, but 99% of human for whom male and human beings for whom male and tehete— human beings for whom male and tehete ee— human beings for whom male and female are biological classification as biological eetegehee— classification as biological categories. how can a discussion hehheh— categories. how can a discussion happen when— categories. how can a discussion even happen when people have even happen when two people have eehptetety— even happen when two people have completely different— completely different definitions? completely different- definitions? .starting to definitions? i'm starting to think a little bit like and think it's a little bit like and i'm just going harsh to i'm just going to sound harsh to people but i'm people of faith here, but i'm starting think it's little starting to think it's a little bit you to have a bit like when you try to have a row with someone who in row with someone who believes in god. you don't believe in god. when you don't believe in god. when you don't believe in god. there's only so far can god. there's only so far you can get have to both say, get until you have to both say, okay, now we've we've met okay, and now we've we've met our limit i've, you okay, and now we've we've met our lircannot i've, you okay, and now we've we've met our lircannot get i've, you okay, and now we've we've met our lircannot get on e, you okay, and now we've we've met our lircannot get on board with know, cannot get on board with what you're saying. and i think the of, you know, the trans the kind of, you know, the trans rights kind of gender rights activists kind of gender power ideology has gotten to that point where it is a kind of new religion where there is just

either either you believe or either either you believe it or you don't . yes. and you said, you don't. yes. and as you said, a lot of it isn't based in reality, but the interesting thing about the debate stuff thing about the no debate stuff is response to riza's is that in response to riza's protest , there were of protest, there were lots of people , a lot of irritating people, a lot of irritating academics as it happens, piling in and saying, but this is free speech. come on, you free speech warriors. this is free speech. she should allowed stay she should be allowed to stay there. kathleen can do her there. kathleen stock can do her talk raise stays there. and there. kathleen stock can do her talk know,3ise stays there. and there. kathleen stock can do her talk know, that'says there. and there. kathleen stock can do her talk know, that's that'szre. and there. kathleen stock can do her talk know, that's that's at. and there. kathleen stock can do her talk know, that's that's a free d you know, that's that's a free society which is just ridiculous. i mean, you know, speaking as someone who organises the battle of ideas festival, i how what festival, i know how what happens run an event happens when you run an event and not you know , you're and you're not you know, you're not you're not meant to not allowed you're not meant to be with someone just coming be okay with someone just coming in, the table or on in, sitting on the table or on the floor of you and the floor in front of you and messing your whole event. messing up your whole event. that's not protest. it's a really infantile of looking really infantile way of looking at actually at the what protest actually means. and anyone who has done a stunt like that knows you do it. you go in, you try and make as much, you know, noise, song and dance, moved on dance, and then you get moved on and understand that are dance, and then you get moved on and to understand that are dance, and then you get moved on and to geterstand that are dance, and then you get moved on and to get moved that are dance, and then you get moved on and to get moved onit are dance, and then you get moved on and to get moved on because;

going to get moved on because the interesting about the the interesting thing about the sort argument sort of this trans argument is that say there is no debate that they say there is no debate and any kind of good protest is actually a debate because what you're meant to doing a you're meant to be doing on a on a on sort successful a on a sort of successful political protest winning political protest is winning people cause . and people to your cause. and unfortunately, a bit unfortunately, i think a bit a bit of extinction bit kind of like extinction rebellion , those kind of rebellion, those kind of protesters. a of these trans protesters. a lot of these trans activists aren't don't want to convince the general public about their point of view. they just want to throw their toys out pram. and that's the out of the pram. and that's the preteen.— out of the pram. and that's the gtehteh. ten-t— out of the pram. and that's the problem, isn't it?— out of the pram. and that's the problem, isn't it? it's- and that's the problem, isn't it? it's one thhg— problem, isn't it? it's one thing protesting against eehethhg— something which i'm sure we wette— something which i'm sure we wewtt—tt-el would both support, but it's ehethet— would both support, but it's another-disrupt- would both support, but it's another disrupt so that another thing to disrupt so that ether— another thing to disrupt so that ether-etet— another thing to disrupt so that other-can't hear. - another thing to disrupt so that other can't hear. you've other people can't hear. you've het— other people can't hear. you've even had protesters punching gehtet— even had protesters punching. gehtet—the gender critical feminists in the tee— gender critical feminists in the thee-get— gender critical feminists in the teee -get them. - gender critical feminists in the face - get them. so l face to try and get them. so teeetthg— face to try and get them. so resorting violence. this resorting to violence. this is a twhtehehtet— resorting to violence. this is a fundamental misunderstanding. whet—heehti what a liberal society is meant to what a liberal society is meant te—we.- what a liberal society is meant te—we. t- what a liberal society is meant te—we. t heehi to be, right? yeah. no, i mean, eeeewtt— to be, right? yeah. no, i mean, eeeewtt ten-t— to be, right? yeah. no, i mean, assault isn't protest, right? hut— assault isn't protest, right? hut then— assault isn't protest, right? hut then-yew- assault isn't protest, right? but then .you _but assault isn't protest, right? i but then .you _but on but then but, you know. but on the other hand, a protest is supposed to be disruptive. i've done lots things myself done lots of things myself throughout career throughout my university career where you went and just where you went in and just obnoxious things. i started clapping really loudly and things like that. but you understood you got understood that you then got moved on. nobody sat in the

middle of the floor and said , middle of the floor and said, how have a right to how dare you? i have a right to be here because we weren't, thankfully, least. mean, thankfully, at least. i mean, even scenario , we weren't even this scenario, we weren't so narcissistic as thinking that the i think this is the world. i think this is a real problem with current real problem with the current approach protest related to approach to protest related to the stuff, but also this is the eco stuff, but also this is that there is just this sense of you, am the centre of the you, i am the centre of the universe and what's going on around me doesn't matter when in actual the actual fact, to reiterate the point, kind of good protest point, any kind of good protest or of good stunt or any kind of good stunt interacts the world around interacts with the world around you you know, this you. and so, you know, this isn't your sitting you're isn't your sitting room. you're not to stay here. not allowed to just stay here. you're get out. you're going to get kicked out. well, authoritarian well, it feels authoritariani because,-tyrants well, it feels authoritarian - because,-tyrants don't because, you know, tyrants don't tettte— because, you know, tyrants don't debate. _debate. - because, you know, tyrants don't debate. _ debate. do i debate. they say no debate. do whet— debate. they say no debate. do whet t— debate. they say no debate. do whet t eey. — debate. they say no debate. do what i say-that's- debate. they say no debate. do what i say. that's what what i say. and that's what these— what i say. and that's what these-ete- what i say. and that's what these-are doing- what i say. and that's what these are doing right? these people are doing right? veeh. — these people are doing right? veeh. .they-te- these people are doing right?i yeah. .they're-that yeah. and they're saying that the presence a debate the very presence of a debate that that kathleen stalks literal physical bodily presence in a room is threatening to them. you know, actually, if you go back to, you know, that documentary that detailed the talk that she gave at cambridge university, where she was at the debate debating society, and she said , i'm not even to be

said, i'm not even meant to be here talk about gender here to talk about gender ideology. was about here to talk about gender ideo of |y. was about here to talk about gender ideo of offence was about here to talk about gender ideo of offence and was about here to talk about gender ideo of offence and free s about here to talk about gender ideo of offence and free speech sort of offence and free speech and more general but the and more general things. but the very which they very fact that this which they see her was on campus meant that they all lost their minds. i mean, maybe she does have supernatural powers, i don't know, she to make know, because she seems to make a people lose it. but, a lot of people lose it. but, but not the kind of, you but not for the kind of, you know not don't with know, not they don't engage with the that she has. i think the ideas that she has. i think that's a terrible shame. ella whelan , thanks much for whelan, thanks very much for joining it for our joining me. that's it for our thet— joining me. that's it for our thet-hut— joining me. that's it for our first-but please- joining me. that's it for our. first-but please-go first hour. but please don't go away. — first hour. but please don't go away. _tet- first hour. but please don't go away. _lot more. away. we've got a lot more eehhg— away. we've got a lot more eehhg-hew- away. we've got a lot more coming-now and. away. we've got a lot more coming-now and see coming between now and 9:00. see you coming between now and 9:00. see yew-mement— coming between now and 9:00. see yew-heheht .—

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the news headlines from bethany tteey .— the news headlines from bethany they. — the news headlines from bethany tteey. wherew— the news headlines from bethany elsey . andrew, thank- the news headlines from bethany elsey . ' t: see/5." the news headlines from bethany elsey . ' m" elsey. andrew, thank you. hello. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the newsroom. the immigration minister says the uk's asylum system is riddled with abuse and that the government must reduce its reliance on hotels to house migrants. it's after protests were held outside a hotel in central london where migrants were asked to sleep for to a room. speaking to camilla tominey, robert jenrick said it's wrong for migrants to demand better accommodation while there asylum claims are processed . he also said the uk processed. he also said the uk is spending £6 million a day on hotels and that asking migrants to share a room is necessary to get value for taxpayers money. member for these are migrants who have said they are destitute, they've said that they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends, no family, no money. and the taxpayer is etegphg— money. and the taxpayer is stepping up— money. and the taxpayer is stepping up and_ t’it“ti;«t and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing dwi; and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing them wtth— stepping up and providing them wtth geet— stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation and with good quality accommodation

eht teete— with good quality accommodation the heart the— with good quality accommodation and board and lodgings. and so these— and board and lodgings. and so these t— and board and lodgings. and so these t thht— and board and lodgings. and so those i think those migrants are wtehg— those i think those migrants are wtehg te— those i think those migrants are wrong to protest— those i think those migrants are wrong to protest and say that they— wrong to protest and say that they deserve— wrong to protest and say that they deserve to— wrong to protest and say that they deserve to have single hetteeh— they deserve to have single bedroom homes— they deserve to have single bedroom homes with en suite hethteehe— bedroom homes with en suite bathrooms and— bedroom homes with en suite bathrooms and so on. and i'm hteeeet— bathrooms and so on. and i'm pteeeet te— bathrooms and so on. and i'm pleased to see— bathrooms and so on. and i'm pleased to see that common sense te— pleased to see that common sense te hewe— pleased to see that common sense seems to have prevailed in this heteet— seems to have prevailed in this case. dorset police— seems to have prevailed in this case. dorset police have named the w— case. dorset police have named the w yew— case. dorset police have named the h yeet ete— case. dorset police have named the 17 year old boy— case. dorset police have named the 17 year old boy who died ettet— the 17 year old boy who died the getthg— the 17 year old boy who died after getting into difficulty in the water— after getting into difficulty in the water off— after getting into difficulty in the water off bournemouth beach on the water off bournemouth beach eh wetheetey— the water off bournemouth beach eh wetheetey . — the water off bournemouth beach on wednesday . joe— the water off bournemouth beach on wednesday . ' on wednesday. joe abbas from southampton died after being pulled from the sea . in pulled from the sea. in a statement, his family said they were heartbroken and devastated and describing him as a fabulous young man, a 12 year old girl named in reports as sunak khan from high wycombe in buckinghamshire also died in the incident , which involved ten incident, which involved ten swimmers as a site seeing boat named the dorset belle has been impounded by police . a man has impounded by police. a man has been charged after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa cup final yesterday , which appeared final yesterday, which appeared to have an offensive reference to have an offensive reference to the hillsborough disaster. 33 year old james white from warwickshire has been charged

with displaying a threatening or abusive writing . he is expected abusive writing. he is expected to appear at willesden magistrates court next week. 97 liverpool fans died . in 1989 at liverpool fans died. in 1989 at hillsborough stadium in sheffield and authorities in india say a signal problem was likely responsible for the country's worst train crash in decades. country's worst train crash in decades . as 275 people were decades. as 275 people were killed in the accident at another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary freight train before derailing and striking a second passenger train . prime minister narendra train. prime minister narendra modi has vowed to punish anyone found response able . and a found response able. and a labour mp has told gb news victims are too scared to complain about sexual predators in parliament. charlotte nicholls said harassment is baked into every single part of how westminster operate . s she how westminster operate. s she also accused the labour party of choosing not to act on concerns raised about a number of colleagues over a very long

period. her comments come after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps she should avoid when first becoming an mp . you're up first becoming an mp. you're up to date on gb news now let's get back to free speech nation . back to free speech nation. and welcome back to free speech nation. we're going to start the— nation. we're going to start this section— nation. we're going to start this section of— nation. we're going to start this section of the- \ we're going to start this section of the show with some questions— this section of the show with some questions from our ewttehee— some questions from our audience. this- some questions from our audience. this one is from kasia . we— audience. this one is from kasia . we have— audience. this one is from kasia . we have t— audience. this one is from kasia . we have a kasia— audience. this one is from kasia . we have a kasia here. hello. htye— . we have a kasia here. hello. htye. htye — . we have a kasia here. hello. htye. htye >— . we have a kasia here. hello. hiya. hiya > she's- . we have a kasia here. hello. hiya. hiya s “g hiya. hiya > she's talking to ken loach. stop you from becoming a candidate for mayor okay, so this is an interesting se— okay, so this is an interesting one. so labour's— okay, so this is an interesting one. so labour's north of tyne meyer— one. so labour's north of tyne theyet tehte— one. so labour's north of tyne mayor jamie driscoll has been mayorjamie driscoll has been hteetet— mayorjamie driscoll has been blocked from _ mayorjamie driscoll has been blocked from their list of candidates— blocked from their list of candidates for- blocked from their list of candidates for the first ever hetth—eeet— candidates for the first ever north—east mayoral election. he— north—east mayoral election. he been— north—east mayoral election. it's been suggested that when— it's been suggested that driscoll has— it's been suggested that driscoll has been barred because he appeared— driscoll has been barred because he appeared-event- driscoll has been barred because he appeared event with he appeared at an event with tth— he appeared at an event with film director— he appeared at an event with film director and— he appeared at an event with film director and expelled tehew— film director and expelled labour-ken- film director and expelled labour ken loach, film director and expelled- labour- ken loach, which labour member ken loach, which was labour member ken loach, which h— labour member ken loach, which was in newcastle— labour member ken loach, which was in newcastle earlier this year— was in newcastle earlier this year .— was in newcastle earlier this year . ae— was in newcastle earlier this year . as labour— was in newcastle earlier this

year . as labour said, certain year. as labour said, certain eehtttetee— year. as labour said, certain candidates quote, did not meet the threshold— candidates quote, did not meet the threshold required, but ttth-t— the threshold required, but ttth-t ge— the threshold required, but ttth-t ge thy— the threshold required, but didn't go any further than that. the— didn't go any further than that. the seeme— didn't go any further than that. this seems shrouded in mystery, teeth-t— this seems shrouded in mystery, teeeh-t tt— this seems shrouded in mystery, teeeh-t tt .— this seems shrouded in mystery, doesn't it , teresita? what's doesn't it, teresita? what's going— doesn't it, teresita? what's gehg ene— doesn't it, teresita? what's gehg ehe — doesn't it, teresita? what's gehg ehe t— doesn't it, teresita? what's going on? i don't- doesn't it, teresita? what's going on? titit“ . going on? i don't know what's going on? i don't know what's going on. i mean, on the one hand, i think him in because hand, i think let him in because then vote him. then people can vote for him. that's the point. other that's the point. on the other hand, are hand, of course, labour are entitled say, we don't entitled to say, we don't want you. well, i suppose they are. hut— you. well, i suppose they are. hut-e— you. well, i suppose they are. hut-e tett— you. well, i suppose they are. but-a bit strange- well, i suppose they are. but a bit strange that but isn't it a bit strange that he— but isn't it a bit strange that tt-e—the- but isn't it a bit strange that tt-e—the teetl but isn't it a bit strange that. it's—the fact that it's just based on the fact that he-eh— it's just based on the fact that he-eh e— it's just based on the fact that he-eh e genet- it's just based on the fact that he on a panel with he appeared on a panel with someone who— he appeared on a panel with someone who defended certain someone who had defended certain heehte— someone who had defended certain geegte—heehte- someone who had defended certain geepte—heehte h- people that some people in tehew— people that some people in labour-like?- people that some people in labour-like? - people that some people in labour like? it�*titflee people that some people in- labour-like? well, i would labour don't like? well, i would say except it's 2023 and say so, except it's 2023 and people nervous about people do get very nervous about being the wrong being seen with the wrong people, so don't being seen with the wrong peofthat so don't being seen with the wrong peofthat that so don't being seen with the wrong peofthat that surprising don't being seen with the wrong peofthat that surprising intn't find that that surprising in this day and age. but it's not like this day and age. but it's not tthe he— this day and age. but it's not tthe he we— this day and age. but it's not like he was on— this day and age. but it's not like he was on a— this day and age. but it's not like he was on a panel- tititt it“t: 3 but it's not like he was on a panel with like atw— like he was on a panel with like ate hehze— like he was on a panel with like ate hehze et— like he was on a panel with like abu hamza or something. i think it's abu hamza or something. i think tt-e-teeeh— abu hamza or something. i think tt-e-teeehleeh- abu hamza or something. i think it's-loachlsort of- it's ken. ken loach is sort of eeetethet— it's ken. ken loach is sort of acclaimed director. and yeah, it's ken. ken loach is sort of acclknow, director. and yeah, it's ken. ken loach is sort of acclknow, iiirector. and yeah, it's ken. ken loach is sort of acclknow, i don'tr. and yeah, it's ken. ken loach is sort of acclknow, i don't know, yeah, it's ken. ken loach is sort of acclknow, i don't know, maybe you know, i don't know, maybe hee— you know, i don't know, maybe he-e sett— you know, i don't know, maybe he's said some— you know, i don't know, maybe he's said some things that geegte— he's said some things that. geegte—het people don't like, but it's not tthe— people don't like, but it's not tthe tteee— people don't like, but it's not like ideas contaminated . like ideas are contaminated. tt-e— like ideas are contaminated. tt-e-ttte— like ideas are contaminated. tt-e-ttte tt— like ideas are contaminated. it's-like if you- like ideas are contaminated. it's-like if you if- like ideas are contaminated. it's like if you if you're it's not like if you if you're eh— it's not like if you if you're eh e genet— it's not like if you if you're on a panel with— it's not like if you if you're on a panel with someone, you heeehe— on a panel with someone, you heeehe the— on a panel with someone, you become the same.— on a panel with someone, you become the same. i hope not heeewee— become the same. i hope noti because we've got megxit was ttyhg— because we've got megxit was ttyhg-eey— because we've got megxit was ttyhg-eey tt. - because we've got megxit was trying say it. trying not to say it. that's exeetty— trying not to say it. that's exactly what i was saying. my understanding of this- exactly what i was saying. my

understanding of this is- i “3 my understanding of this is that eetteh— understanding of this is that certain expelled understanding of this is that certain groups expelled understanding of this is that certain groups which (pelled understanding of this is that certain groups which theyzd certain groups which they geteetwet— certain groups which they perceived anti—semitic. perceived to be anti—semitic. ten—eeyhg- perceived to be anti—semitic. ten—eeyhg he- perceived to be anti—semitic. ken saying he didn't ken loach was saying he didn't ewegeh— ken loach was saying he didn't ewgpett. they— ken loach was saying he didn't support. they thought it a support. they thought it was a wtteh— support. they thought it was a wtteh hunt.— support. they thought it was a witch hunt. and— support. they thought it was a witch hunt. and because he said thet— witch hunt. and because he said thet-then— witch hunt. and because he said that-then this— witch hunt. and because he said that-then this guy,- witch hunt. and because he said that then this guy, jamie that and then this guy, jamie hheeett— that and then this guy, jamie driscoll,_with| driscoll, sat on a panel with hhh— driscoll, sat on a panel with hhh-theh— driscoll, sat on a panel with him.-then so- driscoll, sat on a panel with him.-then so this- driscoll, sat on a panel with him. then so this is like him. yeah. then so this is like etheet— him. yeah. then so this is like etheet tthe— him. yeah. then so this is like almost like three— him. yeah. then so this is like almost like three removed forms of contamination— almost like three removed forms of contamination ,— almost like three removed forms of contamination , isn't it? of contamination, isn't it? wett— of contamination, isn't it? wett. thet— of contamination, isn't it? well, first-all, - of contamination, isn't it? well, first.all,.a- of contamination, isn't it? well, first. all, i a jew,| well, first of all, as a jew, they're always blaming the jews in some another. the jews in some way or another. the jews made this. it's like the made us do this. it's like the devil made do the jews made devil made us do the jews made us get rid this and so i us get rid of this guy and so i haven't said that, by way. haven't said that, by the way. but basically that's what you haven't but that's haven't said it. but that's basically saying. basically what they're saying. they're want they're saying we didn't want to take this. take away. we didn't want this. we driscoll is what we love jamie driscoll is what they're ken loach they're saying. but ken loach hung with who hung out with somebody who was against it's against the jews. so it's basically, if i have to say, for defamation purposes, would defamation purposes, he would deny that out with deny that he hung out with people who hate the jews . i people who hate the jews. i think think but the point is think i think but the point is the tent— think i think but the point is the peht te— think i think but the point is the point is here— think i think but the point is the point is here that we have t— the point is here that we have some i understand well some i understand as well that there— there was anti—semitism in tehew— labour that wasn't being teettet.— labour that wasn't being tackled. but— labour that wasn't being tackled. but the i tackled. but the feeling, i thhh— tackled. but the feeling, i think,.that_ tackled. but the feeling, i think, that now think, is that there's now a hypersensitivity it. is that hypersensitivity to it. is that heeethte — hypersensitivity to it. is that possible there? _ hypersensitivity to it. is that possible there? e"tiil”til hypersensitivity to it. is that possible there? “ti;”ti; g“ possible there? i there might be. i think what this is this is a very simple situation. labour

has been out of power for so long just gagging long and they're just gagging for want to win. for it and they want to win. they sure they they want to make sure that they win. this keir starmer guy win. and this keir starmer guy is as a real macho is strikes me as a real macho alpha really never struck me like that. he just strikes me as a like that. he just strikes me as every— like that. he just strikes me as e wety yew— like that. he just strikes me as e wety yew eh— like that. he just strikes me as a very you can see— e he just strikes me as a very you can see he's just so heety— a very you can see he's just so heety eht— a very you can see he's just so meaty and fleshy— a very you can see he's just so meaty and fleshy and just very hehty. — meaty and fleshy and just very hehty. |ththt— meaty and fleshy and just very manly. ithink a— meaty and fleshy and just very manly. ithink a lot. i- meaty and fleshy and just very manly. i mean, manly. i think a lot. i mean, thet-e— manly. i think a lot. i mean, that's-fantasy,- manly. i think a lot. i mean, that's-fantasy, which- manly. i mean, that's fantasy, which we that's your fantasy, which we went— that's your fantasy, which we went ge— that's your fantasy, which we went ge hte— that's your fantasy, which we won't go into, but there's a gt.— won't go into, but there's a tet. e— won't go into, but there's a tet. e tet— won't go into, but there's a tet. e tet et— won't go into, but there's a lot, a lot of this- won't go into, but there's a lot, a lot of this chris skudder is lot, a lot of this chris skudder te—thet. - lot, a lot of this chris skudder te—thet. thte- is really about that. this there-e— is really about that. this there's-within. is really about that. this- there's-within labour. there's this war within labour. vee— there's this war within labour. wew—tett- there's this war within labour. wew—tett et| you know, there's the left of the— you know, there's the left of the petty.— you know, there's the left of the party, there's— you know, there's the left of the party, there's the right of the party, there's the right of the-ent— the party, there's the right of the-eht tt— the party, there's the right of the-and it seems- the party, there's the right of the and it seems to be the party, and it seems to be eehe-te— the party, and it seems to be some-is focussed- the party, and it seems to be some is focussed around some of it is focussed around the— some of it is focussed around. the—whteh some of it is focussed around. the.sense_which some of it is focussed around the sense because which some of it is focussed around the sense because there 1ich makes sense because there eteetty— makes sense because there- eteetty—theh clearly were problems. but then when— clearly were problems. but then when-te— clearly were problems. but then when _to-issue- clearly were problems. but then when-to-issue of. when it comes to this issue of jamie— when it comes to this issue of tehte—thte- when it comes to this issue of tehte—thte t- jamie driscoll, this this i thht— jamie driscoll, this this i thet-teet— jamie driscoll, this this i think just confused a lot of think has just confused a lot of peehte— think has just confused a lot of geegte eh— think has just confused a lot of geegte en et— think has just confused a lot of people on all-the- people on all sides of the getttteet— people on all sides of the political divide. but there was people on all sides of the pynewal divide. but there was people on all sides of the pynewal ditthat but there was people on all sides of the ptnewal ditthat labourere was people on all sides of the pynewal ditthat labour put/as people on all sides of the pynewal ditthat labour put in in a new rule that labour put in in zon— a new rule that labour put in in 2022 h— a new rule that labour put in in 2022 h-hetty— a new rule that labour put in in 2022 in-party rule- a new rule that labour put in in 2022 in party rule book 2022 in their party rule book ent— 2022 in their party rule book ehtleett— 2022 in their party rule book ehtleett-tt— and it said this. it said hetthet— and it said this. it said neither the— and it said this. it said neither the principles of hetwet— neither the principles of natural justice nor the gtewtetehe— natural justice nor the provisions fairness in provisions of fairness in ehehtet— provisions of fairness in ehegtet twe. — provisions of fairness in chapter two, clause 11.8 shall apply_ chapter two, clause 11.8 shall apply to_ chapter two, clause 11.8 shall eggty te the— chapter two, clause 11.8 shall apply to the termination of party— apply to the termination ofi petty—heteweht apply to the termination of. party—pursuant to party membership pursuant to cheer— party membership pursuant to chegtet twe. — party membership pursuant to chapter two. et— party membership pursuant to chapter two. et cetera. et ete— chapter two. et cetera. et cetera.-other- chapter two. et cetera. et cetera. other words, we can cetera. in other words, we can get— cetera. in other words, we can get-wheewet— cetera. in other words, we can get-whoever.want.l get rid of whoever we want. twee— get rid of whoever we want. however-want,- get rid of whoever we want. however want, whenever we however we want, whenever we went. — however we want, whenever we went-exwehhg- want, without explaining it.

now:— want, without explaining it.| wew—geet now, that doesn't look good to me now, that doesn't look good to the-we.— now, that doesn't look good to helwe. whet— now, that doesn't look good to me i no, what a _ now, that doesn't look good to me.no, what a strange- now, that doesn't look good to me \ttiit d “g now, that doesn't look good to- me.no, what a strange thing to me. no, what a strange thing to want put in there in the want to put in there in the first place. it is what it's a he— first place. it is what it's a he e— first place. it is what it's a he e heehe— first place. it is what it's a it's a means to— �*7 i it is what it's a it's a means to justify expetthg— it's a means to justify expelling anyone for whatever reason,-is . yeah,- expelling anyone for whatever reason, is. “411?" vt“ expelling anyone for whatever- reason,-is . yeah, which is reason, which is. yeah, which is what? the weather. i don't know. is or there be is this final or might there be some pushback? well, it's all etewtet— some pushback? well, it's all clouded-mystery.- clouded in mystery. we just ten-t— clouded in mystery. we just tent-te— clouded in mystery. we just don't-do we?- clouded in mystery. we just- don't-do we?-don't don't know, do we? well, i don't thht— don't know, do we? well, i don't thhtlthht— don't know, do we? well, i don't thinklthink that— don't know, do we? well, i don't thinklthink that it— don't know, do we? well, i don't think think that it is the think i think that it is the gtehteh — think i think that it is the gtehteh et— think i think that it is the problem of way parliament is problem of the way parliament is set we— problem of the way parliament is set up h— problem of the way parliament is set up th the— problem of the way parliament is set up in this country is there-e— set up in this country is there-e he— set up in this country is there's no independence. . there's no independence. it's tthe— there's no independence. it's the e— there's no independence. it's tthe e twghy— there's no independence. it's like a rugby match.- there's no independence. it's like a rugby match. all the players have to be in a row in order for the team to be successful. like like successful. there's no like like a soccer player who goes up ahead and waits whatever and takes control of the ball. so everybody all the ducks have to be in row and that's what be in the row and that's what i think is. but but yeah, but getting rid of someone because they a panel someone they sat on a panel with someone doesn't ducks, does doesn't affect those ducks, does it? indicative. it? i mean, it's indicative. let's look at that principle thewgh— let's look at that principle. though._interview though. if i were to interview someone completely someone who i completely tteegtee— someone who i completely. disagree—right. disagree with, as i have right. heee— disagree with, as i have right. heee thet— disagree with, as i have right. does that make— disagree with, as i have right. does that make me contaminated wtth— does that make me contaminated wtth thet— does that make me contaminated with that-views?- does that make me contaminated with that views? i've with that person's views? i've eheteh— with that person's views? i've etetehlpeehte— with that person's views? i've spoken people who've said spoken to people who've said some _things. i some horrendous things. yes. wett— some horrendous things. yes. wett t— some horrendous things. yes. wett t ten-t— some horrendous things. yes. well i don't you—

some horrendous things. yes. well i don't you you- some horrendous things. yes. well i don't you you are in a way, a journalist, in a way, a journalist. i'll take that away. a journalist. you've got too much of an agenda and too many opinions. but i do have too many opinions. but i do have too many opinions. yeah, you've got too many opinions to be a true journalist. yes, i agree. okay, that's but. but the labour that's fine. but. but the labour party people to go in a party wants people to go in a row with them. they want to believe and the fact that this guy it's like this. i'm walking in the woods. germany. in in the woods. it's germany. in 1942 or something. and i see a group of guys and they're whistling wagner. all right. okay. where is this going ? it's okay. where is this going? it's going to the point where i'm saying that whistling wagner. so i'm a jew. maybe as a jew, i shouldn't be hanging out with them. not that wagner them. yes. it's not that wagner is so bad, but they like those people. lot of a lot of people people. a lot of a lot of people like wagner, lot of jewish like wagner, a lot of jewish people now like wagner, a lot of jewish peop do, now like wagner, a lot of jewish peopdo, because now like wagner, a lot of jewish peopdo, because the now like wagner, a lot of jewish peopdo, because the memories they do, because the memories are maybe at the time it was a bit sensitive. was that a bit more sensitive. was that a bit more sensitive. was that a tett-thet— bit more sensitive. was that a tett-thet e— bit more sensitive. was that a bit-that a bad— . tititi; e was that a bit that a bad analogy? bit more sensitive. was that a. bit-that a bad analogy? no, bit was that a bad analogy? no, it bit was that a bad analogy? no, tt we— bit was that a bad analogy? no, tt eh— bit was that a bad analogy? no, it was an interesting— bit was that a bad analogy? no, it was an interesting analogy. i just about whether it was an interesting analogy. i were: about whether it was an interesting analogy. i were: to about whether it was an interesting analogy. i were: to take |t whether it was an interesting analogy. i were: to take itwhether you were going to take it ehywey. — you were going to take it ehywey. -gehg- you were going to take it anyway. going to get anyway. we're going to get a gweetteh.— anyway. we're going to get a gweetteh. e— anyway. we're going to get a question, a couple of questions

hem—se- question, a couple of questions| hem—se from our viewers now. so we've get—hem — from our viewers now. so we've get—hem hehettl from our viewers now. so we've. got—from donald. this got a question from donald. this is got a question from donald. this he eh— got a question from donald. this he eh emett— got a question from donald. this is on email. donald— got a question from donald. this is on email. donald says, is it hew-eehhteh- is on email. donald says, is it now complain about is on email. donald says, is it- now-complain about males now okay to complain about males in now okay to complain about males h-ehehghg— now okay to complain about malesj h-ehehghg-otey in women's changing rooms? okay. the—et- this is an ongoing thing, of course,-is to- this is an ongoing thing, of course,-is to do. this is an ongoing thing, of course, is to do with this is an ongoing thing, of cou vermont is to do with this is an ongoing thing, of cou vermont schoolo do with this is an ongoing thing, of cou vermont school district,�*| the vermont school district, whteh— the vermont school district, which actually— the vermont school district, which actually punished a father and which actually punished a father ehg-tewghtet— which actually punished a father and-daughter-was- and his daughter. she was getthg—e- and his daughter. she wasi getting—a locker and his daughter. she was- getting_a locker room getting changed in a locker room and getting changed in a locker room ehg-wee— getting changed in a locker room and-was someone- getting changed in a locker room and was someone biological and there was someone biological hete— and there was someone biological mete getthg— and there was someone biological male getting changed with her. and male getting changed with her. ant-upset— male getting changed with her. ant-upset her.— male getting changed with her. and upset her. and she and this upset her. and she eehgtehet— and this upset her. and she complained about it. and rather then—teete- complained about it. and rather then—teewe etl complained about it. and rather than—issue of a. than addressing the issue of a hete— than addressing the issue of a mete h— than addressing the issue of a mete h the— than addressing the issue of a male in the girls— than addressing the issue of a male in the girls changing room, they— male in the girls changing room, they gwmehet— male in the girls changing room, they punished her.— male in the girls changing room, they punished her. they sacked htm— they punished her. they sacked htm heeewee— they punished her. they sacked him because the— they punished her. they sacked him because the father was i thht— him because the father was i thht he— him because the father was i think he was— him because the father was i think he was the— him because the father was i think he was the football coach. amt— think he was the football coach. me they— think he was the football coach. and they attacked— think he was the football coach. and they attacked the girl. i mean , that's— and they attacked the girl. i mean , that's mad, right? /ti.t. mean, that's mad, right? you wette— mean, that's mad, right? you weett thmh— mean, that's mad, right? you would think, wouldn't you? i mean, you really. this is canada, i suppose . yeah. well, canada, i suppose. yeah. well, close to canada . it's vermont. close to canada. it's vermont. it's not canada . i don't know my it's not canada. i don't know my geegteghy— it's not canada. i don't know my geography so_ it's not canada. i don't know my geography 50 and_ it's not canada. i don't know my geography. so and neither do yew.— geography. so and neither do yew. se— geography. so and neither do yew. se. ee— geography. so and neither do you. so, so confident . and. you. so, so confident. and. ceme— you. so, so confident. and. come eh.— you. so, so confident. and. come on, what— you. so, so confident. and. come on, what was- you. so, so confident. and. come on, what was the- you. so, so confident. and. come on, what was the question ? come on, what was the question? why? well, yeah, why is this going— why? well, yeah, why is this getmg em — why? well, yeah, why is this getmg em why— why? well, yeah, why is this going on? why is- why? well, yeah, why is this going on? titty why? well, yeah, why is this going on? 91th why? well, yeah, why is this going on? git “g tit“7 going on? why is this going on? shouldn't teenage girls be entitled to get change without. yeah , absolutely. absolutely. i yeah, absolutely. absolutely. i mean, it's i struggle to come up

with an argument because to me, it's just obvious that the idea that you would i mean, of course that you would i mean, of course that got to feel that man's got to feel protective his daughter. yes protective of his daughter. yes you isn't it a weird you know, it's isn't it a weird one, louis, but the fact that the would would side with the courts would would side with would you know, we've got would well, you know, we've got the now eventually. the right result now eventually. but fact that the but the very fact that the eeheet— but the very fact that the school-like, - but the very fact that thej school-like, oh, but the very fact that the- school-like, oh, you're school would be like, oh, you're eemgtemmg— school would be like, oh, you're complaining-the- school would be like, oh, you're complaining the fact that complaining about the fact that you complaining about the fact that yeweee-— complaining about the fact that yew-eeelmete- complaining about the fact that you see male genitalia you have to see a male genitalia in you have to see a male genitalia h-h— you have to see a male genitalia mute the— you have to see a male genitalia in-in the changing- you have to see a male genitalia in in the changing rooms, in the in the changing rooms, get—eme- in the in the changing rooms, get—eme thet-e get out. you're the one that's to get out. you're the one that's te—ttte- get out. you're the one that's. to_like someone to blame. well it's like someone tteehhg—eeyhgl to blame. well it's like someonei flashing—saying, oh, flashing someone and saying, oh, yee— flashing someone and saying, oh, yew-telhteme— flashing someone and saying, oh, you're-blame-look- flashing someone and saying, oh, you're-blame-look .- you're to blame if you look. tt-e— you're to blame if you look. tt-e-ttte— you're to blame if you look. it's-like that,- you're to blame if you look. it's like that, isn't it it's sort of like that, isn't it ? _ it's sort of like that, isn't it e wett— it's sort of like that, isn't it ? well, aren't— it's sort of like that, isn't it ? well, aren't they- it's sort of like that, isn't it ? it�*titflee e 7 no, it's sort of like that, isn't it- ? well, aren't they ? no, they're ? well, aren't they? no, they're not. ? well, aren't they? no, they're met. teete— ? well, aren't they? no, they're not. louis that's— ? well, aren't they? no, they're not. louis that's a— ? it�*titflee . g“ti;«t7 no, they're not. louis that's a ridiculous etgwmeht.— not. louis that's a ridiculous etgwmemt. we.— not. louis that's a ridiculous argument. no, i— not. louis that's a ridiculous argument. no, i have, i have. i the— argument. no, i have, i have. i the etee— argument. no, i have, i have. i see the side of— argument. no, i have, i have. i see the side of it.— argument. no, i have, i have. i see the side of it. it's- argument. no, i have, i have. i see the side of it. it's like. - see the side of it. it's like. it's like right now they they have people believe in the in trans rights . they believe that trans rights. they believe that trans rights. they believe that trans women are women. and it's better not to hurt people's feelings than it is to like alien. what about the feelings of alien. what about the feelings et the— alien. what about the feelings et the get— alien. what about the feelings et the gttt te— ti“ what about the feelings of the girl is unfortunately in the— of the girl is unfortunately in the t— of the girl is unfortunately in the t thht— of the girl is unfortunately in this i think you've pointed out memy— this i think you've pointed out memy ttmee— this i think you've pointed out many times this— this i think you've pointed out many times this is an intersectional motty is that the a woman's feelings? "cat ”ti: a woman's feelings? they're pretty— a woman's feelings? they're pretty tew— a woman's feelings? they're pretty low on the are a bit low or really low but

or are not really low but they're lower than than they're a bit lower than than a trans woman's. that's not right is it. well, no, it's not right eme— is it. well, no, it's not right end he— is it. well, no, it's not right end he ew— is it. well, no, it's not right and it's now been- . well, no, it's not right and it's now been overturned. chemget— and it's now been overturned. chemget were— and it's now been overturned. changed we're back to what we thht— changed we're back to what we thht et— changed we're back to what we thht et ee— changed we're back to what we think of as as— changed we're back to what we think of as as a— changed we're back to what we think of as as a reasonable etgwmemt— think of as as a reasonable etgwmeht .— think of as as a reasonable argument . right. so i feel like argument. right. so i feel like is argument. right. so i feel like te the— argument. right. so i feel like he the tee— argument. right. so i feel like is the tide changing a bit on et— is the tide changing a bit on some of these? _ is the tide changing a bit on some of these? .7 it�*titflee . some of these? is it? well, it's interesting because matt walsh's film, that was film, what is a woman that was put on twitter other day put out on twitter the other day and i think it's been seen like 150 million times even that . and 150 million times even that. and i know a lot of people have reservations of reservations about his points of view things. but the view on many things. but the key message that film is message of that film is precisely saying, precisely what you're saying, is that, have to that, you know, we have to acknowledge biological reality. why? because we have to why? why why? because we have to acknowledge, you don't why? why why? because we have to ackrt01ledge, you don't why? why why? because we have to ackrto acknowledge you don't why? why why? because we have to ackrto acknowledge reality,>n't why? why why? because we have to ackrto acknowledge reality, but like to acknowledge reality, but there's ways in there's all sorts of ways in which it's which it's important. it's important of important in terms of safeguarding. in important in terms of safegtofjing. in important in terms of safegtof rights. in important in terms of safegtof rights. it's in important in terms of safegtof rights. it's important terms of rights. it's important in of women's sport. it's in terms of women's sport. it's important in terms of women's prisons, important in terms of women's prisonscentres, hospitals . i refuge centres, hospitals. i mean, list goes on. well, i mean, the list goes on. well, i have list mean, the list goes on. well, i have l list myself _ mean, the list goes on. well, i havellist myself of- i“ e g “tit“ well, i have list myself of reasons have a list myself of reasons why— have a list myself of reasons why-tth— have a list myself of reasons why-tt-e met.- have a list myself of reasons why-it's not.-you why it's not it's not. no, you ten-t.— why it's not it's not. no, you teh-t. teete— why it's not it's not. no, you don't, louis. i— why it's not it's not. no, you don't, louis. i don't. just hehg— don't, louis. i don't. just hetmg teet— don't, louis. i don't. just being just being a contrarian is don't, louis. i don't. just bei|i'szt being a contrarian is don't, louis. i don't. just bei|i'm not.eing a contrarian is don't, louis. i don't. just bei|i'm not. i'm a contrarian is don't, louis. i don't. just bei|i'm not. i'm sayingrarian is don't, louis. i don't. just bei|i'm not. i'm saying those is no, i'm not. i'm saying those thhge— no, i'm not. i'm saying those thhge ett— no, i'm not. i'm saying those things all make— no, i'm not. i'm saying those things all make sense to me.

t hey— things all make sense to me.| they—terms things all make sense to me.- they—tetme et they do. i know, but in terms of ether— they do. i know, but in terms of ether-they— they do. i know, but in terms of other-they don't- they do. i know, but in terms of other they don't make other people, they don't make et— other people, they don't make et the— other people, they don't make sense at the end— other people, they don't make sense at the end of the day that thet— sense at the end of the day that thet hehg— sense at the end of the day that that being-trans- sense at the end of the day that that being trans women that being nice to trans women an that being nice to trans women em-hhehty— that being nice to trans women em-hhehty .— that being nice to trans women an-priority . yeah,- that being nice to trans women an priority . yeah, but an takes priority. yeah, but thet-e— an takes priority. yeah, but thet-e etee— an takes priority. yeah, but that's also to— an takes priority. yeah, but that's also to say, no, no, no, yee— that's also to say, no, no, no, ye wtemg— that's also to say, no, no, no, you're wrong about that. there-e— you're wrong about that. there's also— you're wrong about that. there's also well,- you're wrong about that. there's also well, you're forgetting that there's also a lot trans people who also lot of trans people who are also on the argument in on my side of the argument in this. right. but that was this. right. but that there was etee— this. right. but that there was etee-et— this. right. but that there was etee-eh jewe— this. right. but that there was also-of jews who- right. but that there was also of jews who think also a lot of jews who think thet— also a lot of jews who think thet jews— also a lot of jews who think that jews are _ also a lot of jews who think that jews are bad, whatever, you thew— that jews are bad, whatever, you mewmeem-— that jews are bad, whatever, you know-mean? it's- that jews are bad, whatever, you know mean? it's not quite that jews are bad, whatever, you kno same, mean? it's not quite that jews are bad, whatever, you kno same, is mean? it's not quite that jews are bad, whatever, you kno same, is it?tan? it's not quite that jews are bad, whatever, you kno same, is it? is ? it's not quite that jews are bad, whatever, you kno same, is it? is itit's not quite that jews are bad, whatever, you kno same, is it? is it couldt quite that jews are bad, whatever, you kno same, is it? is it could bejite the same, is it? is it could be the— the same, is it? is it could be the-tt— the same, is it? is it could be the-tt eewtt— the same, is it? is it could be the-it could be- the same, is it? is it could be the it could be the same. the same. it could be the same. het— the same. it could be the same. hut yee— the same. it could be the same. hut ye eeymg— the same. it could be the same. but you're saying you are but you're saying is you are eeehg— but you're saying is you are eeehg-thet— but you're saying is you are seeing-that a- but you're saying is you are seeing that a priori it's seeing this that a priori it's wtemg— seeing this that a priori it's wrong happening. it's wrong what is happening. it's wtemg—gtttl wrong to demonise a girl, a teemege— wrong to demonise a girl, a teenage .who's- wrong to demonise a girl, a teenage who's upset teenage girl who's upset about hehg—get— teenage girl who's upset about being get changed being forced to get changed next to being forced to get changed next te e— being forced to get changed next te e meted— being forced to get changed next to a naked man.— being forced to get changed next to a naked man. yeah, but what wette— to a naked man. yeah, but what would-just— to a naked man. yeah, but what would _just. just- to a naked man. yeah, but what would just. just sort of would happen just. just sort of tem— would happen just. just sort of tum—tth- would happen just. just sort of turn _ it's like i turn it on its head? it's like meyhe— turn it on its head? it's like meyhe me— turn it on its head? it's like maybe some people should be ettemtet.— offended. some people have a we hewe—e— offended. some people have a we hewe—e hght- offended. some people have a we hewe—e hght te- have a you have a right to ettemet— have a you have a right to ettemt. — have a you have a right to ettemt. we— have a you have a right to offend. \ttiit ti.tit“ “i. “g have a you have a right to offend. \t:it ti.tit“ “i. “g offend. no convincing me children. generally we children. i think generally we think to be. think children don't need to be. i other than go bed i mean, other than go to bed at bedtime. think that bedtime. they do. i think that they— bedtime. they do. i think that they etee— bedtime. they do. i think that they etee the— bedtime. they do. i think that they also the trans— : "cat titit i think that they also the trans woman is etee— they also the trans woman is etee e— they also the trans woman is etee e trem— they also the trans woman is also a trans-also- also a trans girl, is also a thug— also a trans girl, is also a ehttt .— also a trans girl, is also a ehttt . amt— also a trans girl, is also a child . and it's— also a trans girl, is also a child . and it's probably the child. and it's probably the ege— child. and it's probably the ege . t— child. and it's probably the same age . i mean, it's about same age. i mean, it's about he— same age. i mean, it's about he ehewt— same age. i mean, it's about he ehewt yew. — same age. i mean, it's about it's about you. you're very tegmette— it's about you. you're very tegmette h— it's about you. you're very dogmatic in this. you're seeing

it dogmatic in this. you're seeing tt hem — dogmatic in this. you're seeing tt them the— dogmatic in this. you're seeing it from this side.— dogmatic in this. you're seeing it from this side. i'm just eeymg— it from this side. i'm just eeymg the— it from this side. i'm just saying the other side, in their mhet— saying the other side, in their mht. hee— saying the other side, in their mht. hee e— saying the other side, in their mind, has a complete valid view. i mind, has a complete valid view. t tteegtee— mind, has a complete valid view. i disagree with— mind, has a complete valid view. i disagree with that. ' “t: i disagree with that. and the t— i disagree with that. and the t the— i disagree with that. and the reason i the reason i disagree with that is because that side of the argument, the one that you're presenting, involves a complete repudiation reality you're presenting, involves a cand.ete repudiation reality you're presenting, involves a cand that'spudiation reality you're presenting, involves a cand that'spudi somethingility you're presenting, involves a cand that'spudi something that . and that's not something that i'm think i'm prepared to do. i think ultimately to accept ultimately we have to accept that some things real and that some things are real and some not. some things some things are not. some things are your religion. is are religion, your religion. is that reality? is the religion of teetttye — that reality? is the religion of teetttye _th- that reality? is the religion ofi reality? _is upside that reality? is the religion of. reality? _is upside to reality? yes. which is upside to that precedent . what you that precedent. what do you think notion that we have think is my notion that we have to acknowledge reality? a religion? it's like that. gravity what's all that about? oh, gravity . yeah. i mean, well, oh, gravity. yeah. i mean, well, ehewtt— oh, gravity. yeah. i mean, well, ehewtt we— oh, gravity. yeah. i mean, well, should we just— oh, gravity. yeah. i mean, well, should we just forget? “ should we just forget? i mean, sheeti— should we just forget? i mean, should lewis— should we just forget? i mean, should lewis should be floating up every january? i think gravity up every january? i think gtewty eeh-t— up every january? i think gravity can't be- up every january? i think gravity can't be real- e. tittig 7 i think gravity can't be real after the chhetmee. — gravity can't be real after the christmas. _would. gravity can't be real after the christmas. : christmas. yeah, i would say lewis, that's enough for you. but think both think both but i think both i think both sides argument. sides are presented an argument. and let's honest, and i think let's be honest, we all which weaker. all know which one is weaker. okay so we're going to move on to email from joan, joan to an email from joan, and joan says accidentally being seen says is accidentally being seen getting dressed cause for dismissal. okay, so this is to

do with the full monty . i mean do with the full monty. i mean you'll have seen this . i think you'll have seen this. i think you'll have seen this. i think you'll have seen this. i think you'll have seen this is the actor hugo speer. he lost his job on the tv version of the full monty. that's a sort of rewrite the series halfway through because he wasn't in there and he was dismissed because a runner entered his trailer while he was getting changed. he says he called out asking to her wait and that he hid behind wardrobe . nb so hid behind a wardrobe. nb so what's on here? lewis so, what's going on here? lewis so, so it feels like he's been really put through it. well, i read the thing and- ”cece; g . well, i read the thing and obviously yee— read the thing and obviously you're someone— read the thing and obviously you're someone who's never been thet— you're someone who's never been thet hem — you're someone who's never been thet hem e— you're someone who's never been thet hem e tet— you're someone who's never been fired from a job and, and i thht— fired from a job and, and i think after— fired from a job and, and i think after tonight i might be yeeh— think after tonight i might be yeeh. ahe— think after tonight i might be yeeh. hht t— think after tonight i might be yeah. and i just,— think after tonight i might be yeah. and i just, i, we don't thew— yeah. and i just, i, we don't thew why— yeah. and i just, i, we don't thew why the— yeah. and i just, i, we don't know why the guy was fired. he teete— know why the guy was fired. he eewtt hewe— know why the guy was fired. he could have. it's— know why the guy was fired. he could have. it's the same way. tthe— could have. it's the same way. tthe wtth— could have. it's the same way. like with hate— could have. it's the same way. like with hate to— could have. it's the same way. like with hate to mention that. thet— like with hate to mention that. thet guy-e— like with hate to mention that. thet guy-e heme— like with hate to mention that. that guy's name, phillip schofield_ that guy's name, phillip schofield .— that guy's name, phillip schofield . but people didn't schofield. but people didn't tthe— schofield. but people didn't tthe htm— schofield. but people didn't like him and— schofield. but people didn't like him and they're finding reasons. _what- like him and they're finding reasons-what i- like him and they're finding reasons. what i believe. reasons. this is what i believe. i reasons. this is what i believe. t-thew.— reasons. this is what i believe. t-thew. — reasons. this is what i believe. t-thew. se— reasons. this is what i believe. i-know. so what- reasons. this is what i believe. i know. ”ti: i don't know. so what you're saying with hugo speer is we don't know what happened, but what is what we have got is his testimony , which come out, testimony, which has come out, which, you know, it's pretty

distressing if what he's saying is really unfair, distressing if what he's saying is it? really unfair, distressing if what he's saying is it? there's unfair, distressing if what he's saying is it? there's anfair, distressing if what he's saying is it? there's a complete isn't it? there's a complete teet— isn't it? there's a completei tett—thete-e lack of investigation. there's an lack of investigation. there's _whee- lack of investigation. there's. an_where somebody an email chain where somebody sett— an email chain where somebody said,-investigation- an email chain where somebody said, investigation in said, oh, the investigation in gwete— said, oh, the investigation in gwete mete— said, oh, the investigation in quote marks, which extremely quote marks, which is extremely wemyhg— quote marks, which is extremely wehyhg. teh-t— quote marks, which is extremely worrying, isn't it?— quote marks, which is extremely worrying, isn't it? i— quote marks, which is extremely worrying, isn't it? i mean, so it worrying, isn't it? i mean, so tt weht— worrying, isn't it? i mean, so tt wemt ee— worrying, isn't it? i mean, so it wasn't so much- worrying, isn't it? i mean, so it wasn't so much an investigation as much as a knee tett.— investigation as much as a knee tett. — investigation as much as a knee tett. vee— investigation as much as a knee jerk- tee thew.— investigation as much as a knee jerk. you know, there- investigation as much as a knee jerk. /ti.t. investigation as much as a knee jerk. /ti. jerk. you know, there was this complaint made. it's perfectly possible, two possible, isn't it, that two people different people had completely different perspectives of what happened? absolutely. sort absolutely. but surely some sort of no of procedure. there's no process. - much i process. it's very much like eetewttz— process. it's very much like eetewttz h— process. it's very much like sadowitz in edinburgh, isn't it? it sadowitz in edinburgh, isn't it? tt—heteeh- sadowitz in edinburgh, isn't it? tt—heteeh heel it feels like one person has teteh— it feels like one person has taken offence— it feels like one person has taken offence and that's that's the ehe— taken offence and that's that's the end et— taken offence and that's that's the end et ht.— taken offence and that's that's the end of it. before there's a tteeweeteh— the end of it. before there's a discussion about— the end of it. before there's a discussion about whether that's teeeehehte— discussion about whether that's reasonable or— discussion about whether that's reasonable or or— discussion about whether that's reasonable or or in this case, whether— reasonable or or in this case, whethet tt— reasonable or or in this case, whether it even— reasonable or or in this case, whether it even happened in gette— whether it even happened in gette the— whether it even happened in gutte the wey— whether it even happened in quite the way i— whether it even happened in quite the way i have to say, the— quite the way i have to say, ttte teethg— quite the way i have to say, like reading his— quite the way i have to say, like reading his testimony, it eete— like reading his testimony, it sounds incredibly upsetting. the— sounds incredibly upsetting. the wee— sounds incredibly upsetting. the idea-someone- sounds incredibly upsetting. - the idea-someone-make the idea that someone can make an there's an accusation. there's no investigation in, you're investigation in, then you're out that shouldn't if you're taking accusations for proof , if taking accusations for proof, if that's authoritarian thing to that's an authoritarian thing to do, isn't it? no. this is what heggehe— do, isn't it? no. this is what heggehe h— do, isn't it? no. this is what happens in business.- titit i c7 no. this is what happens in business. this is hwmeh—getl happens in business. this is. human—get fired happens in business. this is. humijobs_get fired happens in business. this is humijobs for get fired happens in business. this is humijobs for reasons get fired happens in business. this is humijobs for reasons you're red happens in business. this is humijobs for reasons you're not from jobs for reasons you're not ttte— from jobs for reasons you're not ttte my— from jobs for reasons you're not ttte my methet— from jobs for reasons you're not like my mother used to say they hhe— like my mother used to say they hhe yew— like my mother used to say they hire you because— like my mother used to say they hire you because you're eemeetent— hire you because you're competent. they fire you because they— competent. they fire you because they ten-t— competent. they fire you because they teh-t ttte— competent. they fire you because

they don't like you. _ competent. they fire you because they don't like you. and that's geeethty— they don't like you. and that's geeethty whet— they don't like you. and that's possibly what it— they don't like you. and that's possibly what it could be. this eete— possibly what it could be. this eete teet— possibly what it could be. this sounds just like— possibly what it could be. this sounds just like a— possibly what it could be. this sounds just like a reverse of the— sounds just like a reverse of the hetee— sounds just like a reverse of the metoo thing— sounds just like a reverse of the metoo thing where it's like you— the metoo thing where it's like yew teet— the metoo thing where it's like yew thet-the— the metoo thing where it's like yew thet-the gey- the metoo thing where it's like yew thet-the gwy .- the metoo thing where it's like you just the guy. i you just believe the guy. i meehlmtght- you just believe the guy. i mean, might be true . it mean, i it might be true. it eete— mean, i it might be true. it sounds-there- mean, i it might be true. it sounds-there for. mean, i it might be true. it sounds there for 30 mean, i it might be true. it- sounds-there for 30 years sounds he was there for 30 years wtth— sounds he was there for 30 years wtthleteeh— sounds he was there for 30 years with clean reputation . i“ with a clean reputation. this ten-t— with a clean reputation. this isn't somebody— with a clean reputation. this isn't somebody getting hired for six weeks minutes . i don't know. six weeks minutes. i don't know. and getting thrown out. i mean he'd got good long but he he he'd got a good long but he he was crying and the thing he was crying, wife was saying, oh, crying, his wife was saying, oh, he at night. it's he can't sleep at night. it's all of horribleness. he can't sleep at night. it'si all-of horribleness. and all sorts of horribleness. and at all sorts of horribleness. and et-eht— all sorts of horribleness. and et-eht et— all sorts of horribleness. and et-eht et-tey- all sorts of horribleness. and at end of day you just at the end of the day you just there— at the end of the day you just thetele— at the end of the day you just there-a there— at the end of the day you just there i a there i a - at the end of the day you just there-a there la _is,| there is a there is a there is, thewgh— there is a there is a there is, thewgh. e— there is a there is a there is, though, a certain— there is a there is a there is, though, a certain amount of eeehttetem— though, a certain amount of scepticism required when scepticism that is required when it scepticism that is required when tt-htwe— scepticism that is required when it-akua actions- scepticism that is required when it akua actions insofar it comes to akua actions insofar as we're not saying— it comes to akua actions insofar as we're not saying we're going to as we're not saying we're going te het— as we're not saying we're going to not believe— as we're not saying we're going to not believe anyone , but we're to not believe anyone, but we're going— to not believe anyone, but we're gehg te— to not believe anyone, but we're going to impartially investigate and going to impartially investigate emt thet— going to impartially investigate emt thet-he— going to impartially investigate and that-be the- going to impartially investigate and that be the way that and that should be the way that i and that should be the way that t-thte— and that should be the way that t-thte wee— and that should be the way that i-this was-excesses. and that should be the way that i this was excesses of i mean, this was the excesses of the— i mean, this was the excesses of the hetee— i mean, this was the excesses of the metoo—had- i mean, this was the excesses of- the metoo—had-same the metoo movement had the same thhg— the metoo movement had the same thing-automatically— the metoo movement had the same thing,-operation:ally_ the metoo movement had the same thing, operation midland is a assuming operation midland is a very— assuming operation midland is a very-exempte— assuming operation midland is a very example operation very good example with operation aheetwtety. — very good example with operation absolutely. _the- very good example with operation absolutely. _the more. absolutely. the more the more serious the more serious the crime, the more detail more difficult detail and the more difficult the is going to the investigation is going to be, isn't grey areas be, isn't it? grey areas are a good you when the good thing. you know, when the seetteht— good thing. you know, when the scotland yard _ good thing. you know, when the scotland yard came— g: “3 you know, when the scotland yard came out and said the—hy— scotland yard came out and said the—hy cert- scotland yard came out and said the—by carl beech. the accusations by carl beech egehet—htghl against these various high temthg—theyl

ranking politicians, they described _ ranking politicians, they described credible described them as credible and thee.— described them as credible and hee—thee- described them as credible and hee—hee .- described them as credible andj true,_lies . right. true, but they were lies. right. the— true, but they were lies. right. ant-heehte— true, but they were lies. right. and-people died- true, but they were lies. right. and people died not knowing and some people died not knowing they-t— and some people died not knowing they-t teem— and some people died not knowing they'd been cleared. _ and some people died not knowing they'd been cleared. it's very serious stuff. _ they'd been cleared. it's very serious stuff. this- they'd been cleared. it's very serious stuff. i“ serious stuff. this is a private company, andrew. and but company, andrew. and there but we have tribunal tribunal we still have tribunal tribunal laws and can't just laws here. and you can't just the— laws here. and you can't just fire someone— laws here. and you can't just fire someone for— laws here. and you can't just fire someone for no- it“tii and you can't just fire someone for no good reason. there— fire someone for no good reason. there-te— fire someone for no good reason. there-te he— fire someone for no good reason. there-te he eh— there has to be an investigation. should investigation. they should be. vee— investigation. they should be. tee-etete— investigation. they should be. tee-etete te- investigation. they should be. you-able to fire- you should be able to fire anybody. we want oh, anybody. we don't want you. oh, that's no, that's your stupid american. no, it it is. okay moving on now it is. it is. okay moving on now to question. this is to our next question. this is from a twitter— to our next question. this is from a twitter account.- i “tixi i “tit“ this is from a twitter account. this is ahgettgwe.— from a twitter account. this is angelique. angelique says, is it teetet—het- racist to give a film a bad ewew— racist to give a film a bad review?.this- racist to give a film a bad review?.this is- racist to give a film a bad review? this is an odd one. review? so this is an odd one. so review? so this is an odd one. se-ete— review? so this is an odd one. se-ete weheee- review? so this is an odd one. so-are various sort- review? so this is an odd one. so are various sort of so there are various sort of htethet— so there are various sort of internet sites— so there are various sort of internet sites where give internet sites where they give various—public. internet sites where they give. various—public can various reviews. the public can eehmtt—thte- various reviews. the public can submit—this one. various reviews. the public cani submit—this one is submit reviews. and this one is teteh— submit reviews. and this one is ttthh ehe— submit reviews. and this one is imdb and they've— submit reviews. and this one is imdb and they've got their entry on imdb and they've got their entry eh the— imdb and they've got their entry eh the ttttte— imdb and they've got their entry on the little mermaid. this is the— on the little mermaid. this is the emete— on the little mermaid. this is the remake live— on the little mermaid. this is the remake live action remake of the— the remake live action remake of the ttttte— the remake live action remake of the little mermaid— the remake live action remake of the little mermaid . there have the little mermaid. there have been— the little mermaid. there have teem tete— the little mermaid. there have been lots and— the little mermaid. there have been lots and lots— the little mermaid. there have been lots and lots of bad reviews and— been lots and lots of bad reviews and they've these reviews and they've said these are reviews and they've said these ee-ewetwe— reviews and they've said these are reviews because they are racist reviews because they eeet— are racist reviews because they eeet e— are racist reviews because they eeet e hteet— are racist reviews because they cast a black actress in the lead tete— cast a black actress in the lead eete .— cast a black actress in the lead eete . wew.— cast a black actress in the lead eete . wew. tt-e— cast a black actress in the lead role . now, it's interesting, role. now, it's interesting, the— role. now, it's interesting, thte ehe— role. now, it's interesting, this one, lewis,- role. now, it's interesting, this one, lewis, because i teetet— this one, lewis, because i teetet et— this one, lewis, because i looked at some- this one, lewis, because i looked at some of the reviews thet— looked at some of the reviews thet wee— looked at some of the reviews that were actually— looked at some of the reviews that were actually quoted then, mehelthem— that were actually quoted then, none .them were _ that were actually quoted then, none them were racist. so none of them were racist. so whet— none of them were racist. so whet-eeythg- none of them were racist. so what - saying .they i what they're saying is they assume motivated assume they're motivated by teetet— assume they're motivated by

racist, whereas— assume they're motivated by racist, whereas these people are teet— racist, whereas these people are teet eeythg— racist, whereas these people are teet eeythg-tttm-t- racist, whereas these people are just saying didn't like the just saying they didn't like the htm— just saying they didn't like the film._think? - just saying they didn't like the. film._think? well, i film. what do you think? well, i thmt— film. what do you think? well, i thmt-eheete— film. what do you think? well, i think should allowed think people should be allowed to film, whatever they to review a film, whatever they want don't what want to. and you don't know what systemic, racism they systemic, chronic racism they have but have in their brains, but they've those they've actually taken those reviews site. yes, reviews off the site. yes, they're they're reviews off the site. yes, - they're-they're saying, they're saying they're saying, we—thet- they're saying they're saying, we _that these i we don't believe that these reviews _faith. i we don't believe that these- reviews _faith. and reviews are in good faith. and that— reviews are in good faith. and thet-ettwete— reviews are in good faith. and imdb private company and imdb is a private company and they allowed they should be allowed to eliminate and revamp eliminate reviews and revamp eluate as they see fit. but we as free citizens, as not really, but we as free citizens have a right to go. you know what? we don't trust imdb anymore in that stock prices go down. that's the problem. we won't be able to treet— problem. we won't be able to trust reviews,— problem. we won't be able to trust reviews, will— we won't be able to trust reviews, will we, if they teet— trust reviews, will we, if they teet tete— trust reviews, will we, if they just take. would— trust reviews, will we, if they just take. would you ever trust ehyththge— just take. would you ever trust ehyththge — just take. would you ever trust anything? there's— just take. would you ever trust anything? there's no trust in this world. there's such this world. there's no such thing gravity. yeah, i know, thing as gravity. yeah, i know, tewte— thing as gravity. yeah, i know, tewtewe—e- thing as gravity. yeah, i know,i tewte—wete-te lewis. i knew you were going to get there— lewis. i knew you were going to get there eventually. “g get there eventually. him saying the-love. yeah.- get there eventually. him saying the-love. yeah. yeah.- the death of love. yeah. yeah. it is.prescient. _ the death of love. yeah. yeah. it is.prescient. but- the death of love. yeah. yeah. it is.prescient. but this- i yeah. yeah. it is prescient. but this is it is so prescient. but this is an it is so prescient. but this isi ehtemhe—t an interesting one. it reminds me— an interesting one. it reminds _thewheh— an interesting one. it reminds _thewheh the- an interesting one. it reminds me when the last jedi me a bit of when the last jedi eeme-ehe— me a bit of when the last jedi came-and all— me a bit of when the last jedi came .and all the - me a bit of when the last jedi came and all the critics came out and all the critics revet— came out and all the critics eewet eheet— came out and all the critics raved about it— came out and all the critics raved about it and they said, he— raved about it and they said, he ee— raved about it and they said, he et— raved about it and they said, it's one of those— raved about it and they said, it's one of those star wars htme— it's one of those star wars tttme twe— it's one of those star wars films i've heard- it's one of those star wars films i've heard star it's one of those star wars films i've heard .star or films i've heard of star trek or were.— films i've heard of star trek or wars,_watchedl wars, but i've never watched them. — wars, but i've never watched them. _yee- them. i'll give you the ghmetgte. — them. i'll give you the principle. .it- them. i'll give you the principle. it was film them. i'll give you the- principle. .it was lfilm that principle. so it was a film that came-absolutely- principle. so it was a film that came absolutely terrible came out absolutely terrible

htm— came out absolutely terrible. htm—the film, objectively bad. and the ehttee— film, objectively bad. and the critics- because - film, objectively bad. and the critics-because it- film, objectively bad. and the critics because it was critics loved it because it was very— critics loved it because it was wew-eete— critics loved it because it was wew-wete-wewl critics loved it because it was. very-woke-very kind very kind of woke and very kind of very kind of woke and very kind et gtegteeetwe— very kind of woke and very kind of progressive-all- very kind of woke and very kind of progressive all fans of progressive and all the fans hetet— of progressive and all the fans hetet-theee- of progressive and all the fans hated these websites, hated it. so on these websites, you— hated it. so on these websites, yee het— hated it. so on these websites, yee het ttte— hated it. so on these websites, you had like 0%_ hated it. so on these websites, you had like 0% ratings from the tene— you had like 0% ratings from the hem ehe— you had like 0% ratings from the fans and 100%_ you had like 0% ratings from the fans and 100% from critics. fans and 100% from the critics. ahe— fans and 100% from the critics. tthe—vee- fans and 100% from the critics.| amt—tee thew. and it was just mad. you know, i ththt— and it was just mad. you know, i ththt-tet— and it was just mad. you know, i think-let people— and it was just mad. you know, i think let people speak, let think just let people speak, let geehte— think just let people speak, let people-including- people express including the ehttee—hei people express including the- ehttee—he yee critics who were wrong. do you thmt— critics who were wrong. do you thet-ttt— critics who were wrong. do you thmt-ttt et— critics who were wrong. do you think bit of go go think there's a bit of go go broke here that people are just purposely broke here that people are just purpomean broke here that people are just purpo mean from broke here that people are just purpomean from a racist don't mean from a racist perspective, feel perspective, but if they feel that they see it as a very woke piece of art, why it woke piece of art, why is it woke anyway? like, i don't know. what if anyway? like, i don't know. what tt-hteet— anyway? like, i don't know. what if-black actress— 7 like, i don't know. what if black actress playing? if it's a black actress playing? she-e— if it's a black actress playing? she-e e— if it's a black actress playing? she's a mermaid,— if it's a black actress playing? she's a mermaid, like, she's a mermaid, right? like, he— she's a mermaid, right? like, tt-e—e- she's a mermaid, right? like, tt-e—e fixedl it's not like you have a fixed ththg—thewl it's not like you have a fixedi thing—know, this it's not like you have a fixed. thing—know, this is thing of what you know, this is someone. and— thing of what you know, this is someone. and if— thing of what you know, this is someone. ' �*7 thing of what you know, this is someone. �*7 someone. and if somebody leaves a woman that's a woman with guilt that's negative about this woman with a woman with guilt that's negatthat bout this woman with a woman with guilt that's negatthat happened voman with a woman with guilt that's negatthat happened to nan with a woman with guilt that's negatthat happened to bet with gills, that happened to be black. interpret that black. and you interpret that negative only being negative review as only being about you the about her race, aren't you the racist part? right. so, okay, you can look at— racist part? right. so, okay, you can look at it- ietti. itttitii7 mg“ so, okay, you can look at it both ietti. ittitii7 33“ so, okay, you can look at it both ways. i teet— you can look at it both ways. i teet tee-t— you can look at it both ways. i teet teh-t eee— you can look at it both ways. i just don't care about her gettthg— just don't care about her gettthg eeet— just don't care about her getting cast in- just don't care about her getting cast in that role. maybe ehe-e— getting cast in that role. maybe ehe-e teetty— getting cast in that role. maybe she's really good. _ getting cast in that role. maybe she's really good. i know you ten-t.— she's really good. i know you don't, but but what you should be saying is you can't trust anybody . obe. that's what you anybody. obe. that's what you eey. — anybody. obe. that's what you eey. tee — anybody. obe. that's what you eey. wee hete— anybody. obe. that's what you say. you have an— in i 05 that's what you say. you have an essential thing in say. you have an essential thing th yeeh— say. you have an essential thing th yeet ttte.— say. you have an essential thing in your life. essential problem. vee— in your life. essential problem. tee tee-t— in your life. essential problem. you don't trust— in your life. essential problem. you don't trust anyone. and how

eee-weteh— you don't trust anyone. and how can .watch this— you don't trust anyone. and how can watch this show? can you watch this show? i've teen — can you watch this show? i've teen lthte— can you watch this show? i've been .this _you- can you watch this show? i've been .this _you can't. been on this show. you can't trust anything. you can't trust the leaders. you can't trust the science. you trust me, louis, believe or not, i do. and believe it or not, i do. and that's a that's your one flaw. and you will get your comeuppance sooner or later. hettewe— comeuppance sooner or later. hettewe yee— comeuppance sooner or later. hettewe yee me— comeuppance sooner or later. believe you me. okay, so next on hee— believe you me. okay, so next on hee speech— believe you me. okay, so next on free speech nation— believe you me. okay, so next on free speech nation ,— believe you me. okay, so next on free speech nation , we call it. free speech nation, we call it. yest— free speech nation, we call it. tee. thet-e— free speech nation, we call it. yes, that's right.— free speech nation, we call it. yes, that's right. now, look , yes, that's right. now, look, ehee— yes, that's right. now, look, ehee the— yes, that's right. now, look, after the break,— yes, that's right. now, look, after the break, i am going to be after the break, i am going to te tettng— after the break, i am going to te tettng e— after the break, i am going to be taking a look— after the break, i am going to be taking a look the be taking a look at how the ente— be taking a look at how the the heg— be taking a look at how the pride flag developed over pride flag has developed over the—tenget.- pride flag has developed over the—tenget. tt- pride flag has developed over the _forget, it is. pride flag has developed over the month forget, it is pride flag has developed over the month now.)rget, it is pride flag has developed over the month now. anyway. s pride flag has developed over the month now. anyway. don't pride month now. anyway. don't go pride month now. anyway. don't ge enywhene—

to gb news radio. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. remember when the pride flag mete— remember when the pride flag mete e— remember when the pride flag made sense ? it— remember when the pride flag made sense ? it was designed by made sense? it was designed by an made sense? it was designed by en ameneen— made sense? it was designed by an american artist— made sense? it was designed by an american artist called ettten— an american artist called gilbert baker— an american artist called gilbert baker in 1978. it was engtnetty— gilbert baker in 1978. it was engtnetty en— gilbert baker in 1978. it was originally an eight stripe netntew— originally an eight stripe rainbow, but— originally an eight stripe rainbow, but was soon refined tnte— rainbow, but was soon refined tnte the— rainbow, but was soon refined tnte the ete— rainbow, but was soon refined into the six stripe— rainbow, but was soon refined into the six stripe version that the — into the six stripe version that was the norm for— into the six stripe version that was the norm for many decades. at was the norm for many decades. ht e— was the norm for many decades. ht e ttme— was the norm for many decades. at a time when— was the norm for many decades. at a time when gay— was the norm for many decades. at a time when gay people eeettn-t— at a time when gay people couldn't hold— at a time when gay people couldn't hold hands with their tennene— couldn't hold hands with their

tennene en— couldn't hold hands with their partners on the— couldn't hold hands with their partners on the street. this heg— partners on the street. this tteg eewet— partners on the street. this flag served purpose. partners on the street. this- flag served-purpose. it flag served a useful purpose. it meent— flag served a useful purpose. it meent-eeett- flag served a useful purpose. it meant could easily find meant that you could easily find gay-or— meant that you could easily find gey-en ether— meant that you could easily find gay-or other places- meant that you could easily find gay or other places where gay pubs or other places where no gay pubs or other places where ne-te— gay pubs or other places where ne-te pretent- gay pubs or other places where no-to pretend to- gay pubs or other places where no to pretend to be no one had to pretend to be eemethtng— no one had to pretend to be something weren't. the something they weren't. the netntew— something they weren't. the rainbow symbol— something they weren't. the rainbow symbol a simple and rainbow symbol was a simple and eheettwe— rainbow symbol was a simple and effective concept— rainbow symbol was a simple and effective concept that conveyed teetttwtty— effective concept that conveyed teetttwtty ent— effective concept that conveyed positivity and unity. and then some activists— positivity and unity. and then some activists came along and eete.— some activists came along and eett. heng— some activists came along and eett. heng en— some activists came along and eett. heng en e— some activists came along and said, hang on a minute, why are there— said, hang on a minute, why are there he— said, hang on a minute, why are there no black— said, hang on a minute, why are there no black or— said, hang on a minute, why are there no black or brown stripes in there no black or brown stripes tn-netntew— there no black or brown stripes in - rainbow flag _ there no black or brown stripes in-rainbow flag ?- there no black or brown stripes in rainbow flag ? so for some in the rainbow flag? so for some they— in the rainbow flag? so for some reason they were— in the rainbow flag? so for some reason they were under the tmtneeeten— reason they were under the impression .the- reason they were under the impression the flag reason they were under the- impression .the .flag was impression that the gay flag was a impression that the gay flag was -eeteet— impression that the gay flag was a represents portion of a literal represents portion of the-eth— a literal represents portion of the-skin colours- a literal represents portion of the skin colours that the range of skin colours that are the range of skin colours that eeh—— the range of skin colours that eeh— the- the range of skin colours that- are_in the community. are acceptable in the community. ant— are acceptable in the community. ant ee— are acceptable in the community. ant ee we— are acceptable in the community. ant ee we get— are acceptable in the community. and so we got this— are acceptable in the community. and so we got this .— are acceptable in the community. and so we got this . okay then. and so we got this. okay then. i there— and so we got this. okay then. i mean, there weren't any white ehttee— mean, there weren't any white ehttee tn— mean, there weren't any white etntee tn the— mean, there weren't any white stripes in the original one ether.— stripes in the original one etthen. tet— stripes in the original one either, but most people understood— either, but most people understood that was symbolic understood that it was symbolic thet— understood that it was symbolic thet we— understood that it was symbolic thet we wee— understood that it was symbolic that we were all— understood that it was symbolic that we were all included eheety— that we were all included eheety .— that we were all included already , irrespective of our already, irrespective of our het— already, irrespective of our race. but then _ already, irrespective of our race. but then after this, trans eettwtete— race. but then after this, trans activists came— race. but then after this, trans activists came along and said, why— activists came along and said, why-tn— activists came along and said, why-tn theret- activists came along and said, why-in there? so. activists came along and said, why in there? so we why aren't we in there? so we got— why aren't we in there? so we get—wee- why aren't we in there? so we get—wee thei got this one, and this was the chewen— got this one, and this was the chevron with— got this one, and this was the chevron with the— got this one, and this was the chevron with the pink, white and ttee—teeet- chevron with the pink, white and blue,_based.the. blue, which was based on the tene— blue, which was based on the hem-het— blue, which was based on the trans-but surely- blue, which was based on the trans but surely this trans flag. but surely this eyeee— trans flag. but surely this eyesore couldn't get any worse, eeete— eyesore couldn't get any worse, eeett tte— eyesore couldn't get any worse, could it? well,— eyesore couldn't get any worse, could it? well, it— eyesore couldn't get any worse, could it? well, it could because eettwtete— could it? well, it could because activists were _ could it? well, it could because activists were then— could it? well, it could because activists were then concerned thet— activists were then concerned thet tt— activists were then concerned thet tt wee— activists were then concerned that it was excluding intersex eeewe— that it was excluding intersex teette. ee— that it was excluding intersex teette. ee they— that it was excluding intersex people, so they added this

eymtet— people, so they added this eymtet. etew— people, so they added this symbol. okay, it's getting a bit out symbol. okay, it's getting a bit eet et— symbol. okay, it's getting a bit out of control— symbol. okay, it's getting a bit out of control now,— symbol. okay, it's getting a bit out of control now, but then teet— out of control now, but then teet yeee. — out of control now, but then last year, some— out of control now, but then last year, some bright spark ettet— last year, some bright spark ettet e— last year, some bright spark ettet e net— last year, some bright spark added a red umbrella to tetneeent— added a red umbrella to represent sex— added a red umbrella to represent sex workers . now if represent sex workers. now if yee— represent sex workers. now if yee theeght— represent sex workers. now if you thought this— represent sex workers. now if you thought this was getting out of you thought this was getting out et hent— you thought this was getting out et hent teet— you thought this was getting out of hand last year,— you thought this was getting out of hand last year, then we had ttteneeett— of hand last year, then we had ttteneeett .— of hand last year, then we had microsoft . they— of hand last year, then we had microsoft . they designed a new microsoft. they designed a new te— microsoft. they designed a new version to incorporate all the ether— version to incorporate all the other multiple _ version to incorporate all the other multiple sexualities and genteee— other multiple sexualities and genteee thet— other multiple sexualities and genders that have been invented even-teet— genders that have been invented even-teet tew— genders that have been invented over past few years. let's over the past few years. let's hewe — over the past few years. let's hewe _thet— over the past few years. let's hewe-thet .- over the past few years. let's hewe-thet . t- over the past few years. let's have that . i mean, have a look at that. i mean, whet— have a look at that. i mean, whet-te— have a look at that. i mean, whet-te tt- have a look at that. i mean, whet-te tt e- have a look at that. i mean, what-is it 7 it- have a look at that. i mean, what is it ? it looks what the hell is it? it looks ttte— what the hell is it? it looks ttte e— what the hell is it? it looks like a spaceship— what the hell is it? it looks like a spaceship going at warp eteet— like a spaceship going at warp eteet theegh— like a spaceship going at warp speed through a— like a spaceship going at warp speed through a carebears hemhete— speed through a carebears bumhole identity politics in its eenent— bumhole identity politics in its eenent teem — bumhole identity politics in its current form is_ bumhole identity politics in its current form is an— bumhole identity politics in its current form is an ever extenttng— current form is an ever expanding beast. pride used to be expanding beast. pride used to te teet— expanding beast. pride used to te teet ene— expanding beast. pride used to te teet eey— expanding beast. pride used to be just one day, then it was a menth— be just one day, then it was a menth .— be just one day, then it was a menth . ant— be just one day, then it was a month . and now— be just one day, then it was a month . and now pride events have month. and now pride events have teen— month. and now pride events have been scheduled— month. and now pride events have been scheduled all— month. and now pride events have been scheduled all the way from hench— been scheduled all the way from ttenh theegh— been scheduled all the way from march through to— been scheduled all the way from march through to september as etgn— march through to september as etgn tn— march through to september as etgn tn e— march through to september as one sign in a shoe— march through to september as one sign in a shoe shop pointed out one sign in a shoe shop pointed eet thet— one sign in a shoe shop pointed eet thet ente— one sign in a shoe shop pointed out that pride never stops . if out that pride never stops. if enty— out that pride never stops. if enty tt— out that pride never stops. if enty tt weett— out that pride never stops. if only it would the initialism as wett— only it would the initialism as wet. thet-e— only it would the initialism as well. that's expanded too. first well. that's expanded too. first we het— well. that's expanded too. first we ted the— well. that's expanded too. first we had lgb and— well. that's expanded too. first we had lgb and then it became tett.— we had lgb and then it became tett. then— we had lgb and then it became lgbt, then lgbtq,_ we had lgb and then it became lgbt, then lgbtq, then lgbtqia. the lgbt, then lgbtq, then lgbtqia. the cenetten— lgbt, then lgbtq, then lgbtqia. the canadian government eenentty— the canadian government currently favours to lgbtqia

etee— currently favours to lgbtqia etee .— currently favours to lgbtqia plus , although— currently favours to lgbtqia plus , although even its prime plus, although even its prime tttnteten— plus, although even its prime minister finds— plus, although even its prime minister finds that a bit of a meethtet. — minister finds that a bit of a meethtet. t— minister finds that a bit of a mouthful. i will— minister finds that a bit of a mouthful. i will never apologise for mouthful. i will never apologise ten etenttng— mouthful. i will never apologise tet etenttng et— mouthful. i will never apologise for standing up for— mouthful. i will never apologise for standing up for an lgbt tett.— for standing up for an lgbt tett. thet— for standing up for an lgbt tett. thet .— for standing up for an lgbt lgbt, lbgt , lgbtq two plus kids lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids nghte— lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids nghte te— lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids nghte te net— lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids rights to not have— lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids rights to not have to undergo conversion therapy . 33in conversion therapy. similarly, ente— conversion therapy. similarly, pride started out as an important protest against injustice when the original pride march took place in london in 1972. homosexuality had only teen— in 1972. homosexuality had only teen teget— in 1972. homosexuality had only teen teget ten— in 1972. homosexuality had only been legal for five— i“ l�* homosexuality had only been legal for five years, and the— been legal for five years, and the tteeteet— been legal for five years, and the prospect of— been legal for five years, and the prospect of gay marriage or en egeet— the prospect of gay marriage or even an equal age— the prospect of gay marriage or even an equal age of consent eeeet— even an equal age of consent seemed impossible. only 2000 teette— seemed impossible. only 2000 teette temet— seemed impossible. only 2000 teette temet up— seemed impossible. only 2000 people turned up to these tneteet— people turned up to these teeteet e. — people turned up to these protest s. but— people turned up to these protest s. but by contrast, the ente— protest s. but by contrast, the the tente— protest s. but by contrast, the the tetete tn— protest s. but by contrast, the pride parade in london in 2022 etheetet— pride parade in london in 2022 attracted over— pride parade in london in 2022 attracted over a— pride parade in london in 2022 attracted over a million. and of course, most of— attracted over a million. and of course, most of those people eent— course, most of those people eent gey— course, most of those people aren't even gay. it's become a tenth— aren't even gay. it's become a temtty eey— aren't even gay. it's become a temtty tey eet.— aren't even gay. it's become a family day out, a— aren't even gay. it's become a family day out, a huge party. ant— family day out, a huge party. ant whet-e— family day out, a huge party. and what's so— family day out, a huge party. and what's so wrong with that, you— and what's so wrong with that, yee mtght— and what's so wrong with that, yee mtght eet— and what's so wrong with that, yee mtght eet e— and what's so wrong with that, you might ask ? and that's a fair you might ask? and that's a fair geeetten— you might ask? and that's a fair geeetten. tt— you might ask? and that's a fair question. if people are celebrating— question. if people are celebrating and having good celebrating and having a good ttme— celebrating and having a good ttme. thet-e— celebrating and having a good time, that's except time, that's great, except thet-e— time, that's great, except that's necessary . what's that's not necessary. what's

going— that's not necessary. what's going increasingly gay going on? increasingly gay teette— going on? increasingly gay teette ne— going on? increasingly gay people no longer feel welcome at thee.— people no longer feel welcome at thtte. t— people no longer feel welcome at thtte. t etete— people no longer feel welcome at pride. i spoke to— pride. i spoke to a representative from a lesbian group— representative from a lesbian greet en— representative from a lesbian greet en thte— representative from a lesbian group on this show last year who had group on this show last year who het teen— group on this show last year who had been moved— group on this show last year who had been moved along by police when— had been moved along by police when trytng— had been moved along by police when trytng te— had been moved along by police when trying to protest at pride . het— when trying to protest at pride . tet ten-t— when trying to protest at pride . but isn't pride— when trying to protest at pride . but isn't pride meant to be a treteet— . but isn't pride meant to be a preteet net— . but isn't pride meant to be a preteet net e— . but isn't pride meant to be a protest not a party? what's going— protest not a party? what's getng ene— protest not a party? what's getng ene the— protest not a party? what's going on? the answer is that pride— going on? the answer is that trtte hee— going on? the answer is that pride has been— going on? the answer is that pride has been not once, but twtee— pride has been not once, but twtee .— pride has been not once, but twtee . thet— pride has been not once, but twice . first by— pride has been not once, but twice . first by avaricious twice. first by avaricious multi—billion- twice. first by avaricious multi—billion dollar corporations who are able to pee— corporations who are able to teee ee— corporations who are able to pose as virtuous— corporations who are able to pose as virtuous by posting the pride— pose as virtuous by posting the trtte tteg— pose as virtuous by posting the trtte tteg enty— pose as virtuous by posting the pride flag only they don't do it in pride flag only they don't do it tn the— pride flag only they don't do it in the branches— pride flag only they don't do it in the branches in— pride flag only they don't do it in the branches in countries where— in the branches in countries where homosexuality is still ttteget. — where homosexuality is still illegal. after— where homosexuality is still illegal. after all, you wouldn't went— illegal. after all, you wouldn't went te— illegal. after all, you wouldn't went te hy— illegal. after all, you wouldn't want to fly the— illegal. after all, you wouldn't want to fly the flag anywhere whteh— want to fly the flag anywhere whteh mtght— want to fly the flag anywhere which might actually make a ttherenee— which might actually make a ttherenee .— which might actually make a difference . i'm— which might actually make a difference . i'm old enough to difference. i'm old enough to remember that— difference. i'm old enough to remember that corporations were eertetnty— remember that corporations were certainly celebrating pride certainly not celebrating pride gette— certainly not celebrating pride getteletenty— certainly not celebrating pride quite openly before section quite so openly before section 28 quite so openly before section ze-reteetet— quite so openly before section 28-repealed in— quite so openly before section 28 repealed in 2003 or 28 was repealed in 2003 or tetere— 28 was repealed in 2003 or tetere-ege— 28 was repealed in 2003 or before-age of- 28 was repealed in 2003 or before age of consent was before the age of consent was egeetteet— before the age of consent was egeetteet tn— before the age of consent was equalised in-and- before the age of consent was. equalised in-and-the equalised in 2001 and before the decriminalisation_ equalised in 2001 and before the decriminalisation of homosexuality in scotland in thee.— homosexuality in scotland in thee. se— homosexuality in scotland in 1980. so these— homosexuality in scotland in 1980. so these corporations commitment— 1980. so these corporations commitment to _ 1980. so these corporations commitment to lgbt rights etherentty— commitment to lgbt rights apparently only manifests itself when— apparently only manifests itself when tte— apparently only manifests itself when it's likely— apparently only manifests itself when it's likely to make them a treht— when it's likely to make them a treht ent— when it's likely to make them a profit and then— when it's likely to make them a profit and then there's the eet— profit and then there's the second hijacking. c where is the

engtnett— second hijacking. c where is the original? pride— second hijacking. c where is the original? pride was about egttettng— original? pride was about egttettng ter— original? pride was about agitating for equal rights for gay pe0ple- _ agitating for equal rights for gay pe0ple- it's_ agitating for equal rights for gay people. it's now been taken ty— gay people. it's now been taken over by activists— gay people. it's now been taken over by activists who are eteeeeet— over by activists who are obsessed group identity and obsessed with group identity and who obsessed with group identity and whe tettewe— obsessed with group identity and who believe that— obsessed with group identity and who believe that gender is more tmtertent— who believe that gender is more tmtenent then— who believe that gender is more important than sex. and that's why— important than sex. and that's why the— important than sex. and that's why the british— important than sex. and that's why the british library to eetetrete — why the british library to celebrate the _ why the british library to celebrate the of pride celebrate the advent of pride menth— celebrate the advent of pride ttenth thte— celebrate the advent of pride month this week— celebrate the advent of pride month this week thread month this week posted a thread on month this week posted a thread en twttter— month this week posted a thread on twitter about— month this week posted a thread on twitter about the sex life of hen— on twitter about the sex life of tteh ent— on twitter about the sex life of tteh ent new— on twitter about the sex life of fish and how some species have teen— fish and how some species have teen tnewn— fish and how some species have teen tnewn te— fish and how some species have been known to change from male to been known to change from male te temete. — been known to change from male te temete. t— been known to change from male to female. i mean,— been known to change from male to female. i mean, what's that got— to female. i mean, what's that get te— to female. i mean, what's that get te te— to female. i mean, what's that get te te wtth— to female. i mean, what's that got to do with pride? why have tttrertene— got to do with pride? why have librarians seemingly forgotten thet— librarians seemingly forgotten thet hemen— librarians seemingly forgotten that human beings aren't the same as fish?— that human beings aren't the same as fish? now? they've since tetetet— same as fish? now? they've since tetetet theee — same as fish? now? they've since deleted those tweets because, wett— deleted those tweets because, wett. yee — deleted those tweets because, well, you _they're - deleted those tweets because, well, you they're bonkers well, you know, they're bonkers . ant— well, you know, they're bonkers . and although— well, you know, they're bonkers . and although laugh at . and although we might laugh at that-nonsense,— . and although we might laugh at that-nonsense, the- that kind of nonsense, the tteetegy— that kind of nonsense, the ideology promotes actually ideology it promotes is actually rether— ideology it promotes is actually rather particularly rather sinister, particularly for rather sinister, particularly her-geeette— rather sinister, particularly her-teette .- rather sinister, particularly for people . you see in her for gay people. you see in her teet— for gay people. you see in her teet-thtnt- for gay people. you see in her book-think by- for gay people. you see in her book think by hannah book time to think by hannah hernee— book time to think by hannah barnes,-found_ book time to think by hannah barnes, found that between barnes, she found that between 80 barnes, she found that between ee ent— barnes, she found that between to ent eete— barnes, she found that between to ent etete et— barnes, she found that between 80 and 90% of adolescents reterret— 80 and 90% of adolescents reterret te— 80 and 90% of adolescents referred to the— 80 and 90% of adolescents referred to the tavistock paediatric _ referred to the tavistock paediatric gender clinic with same sex attracted studies have teng— same sex attracted studies have long confirmed— same sex attracted studies have long confirmed a— same sex attracted studies have long confirmed a correlation tetween— long confirmed a correlation between gender— long confirmed a correlation between gender nonconformity and yeeth— between gender nonconformity and yeeth ent— between gender nonconformity and youth and homosexuality in later life youth and homosexuality in later ttte et— youth and homosexuality in later ttte et the— youth and homosexuality in later life at the tavistock, staff eeet— life at the tavistock, staff eeet te— life at the tavistock, staff used to joke— life at the tavistock, staff used to joke that soon there weett— used to joke that soon there weett te— used to joke that soon there weett he he— used to joke that soon there would be no gay— used to joke that soon there would be no gay people left.

semehew— would be no gay people left. somehow the— would be no gay people left. somehow the medicalisation and eterttteetten— somehow the medicalisation and sterilisation of— somehow the medicalisation and sterilisation of gay— somehow the medicalisation and sterilisation of gay people has teen— sterilisation of gay people has been reframed_ sterilisation of gay people has been reframed as— sterilisation of gay people has been reframed as progressive. twen— been reframed as progressive. even stonewall,— been reframed as progressive. even stonewall, the uk's teremeet— even stonewall, the uk's foremost lgbt- even stonewall, the uk's foremost lgbt charity, has retehnet— foremost lgbt charity, has redefined the— foremost lgbt charity, has redefined the word homosexual on its redefined the word homosexual on tte wetette — redefined the word homosexual on its website and _ redefined the word homosexual on its website and promotional metertete— its website and promotional materials to— its website and promotional materials to mean same gender ettreetet— materials to mean same gender ettreetet tte— materials to mean same gender attracted its ceo,— materials to mean same gender attracted its ceo, nancy kelly hee— attracted its ceo, nancy kelly hee etetmet— attracted its ceo, nancy kelly has claimed that— attracted its ceo, nancy kelly has claimed that women who exetete— has claimed that women who exclude trans— has claimed that women who exclude trans people from their tettng— exclude trans people from their tettng teet— exclude trans people from their tettng teet ee— exclude trans people from their dating pool are akin to sexual reetete— dating pool are akin to sexual reetete .— dating pool are akin to sexual racists . there's— dating pool are akin to sexual racists . there's been an intense racists. there's been an intense reeerengee et— racists. there's been an intense resurgence of old— racists. there's been an intense resurgence of old homophobic tretee— resurgence of old homophobic tretee enttne— resurgence of old homophobic tropes online from gender tteetegeee— tropes online from gender ideologues that believe that genttet— ideologues that believe that genital preferences are transphobic_ genital preferences are transphobic and that lesbians whe— transphobic and that lesbians whe ten-t— transphobic and that lesbians who don't include men in their tettng— who don't include men in their tettng teet— who don't include men in their dating pool must— who don't include men in their dating pool must be suffering hem— dating pool must be suffering hem heee— dating pool must be suffering from trauma .— dating pool must be suffering from trauma . gay rights were from trauma. gay rights were eeet— from trauma. gay rights were eeet ty— from trauma. gay rights were secured by recognising that a mtnertty— secured by recognising that a mtnertty et— secured by recognising that a minority of people are instinctively- minority of people are instinctively attracted to emtere— instinctively attracted to members of _ instinctively attracted to members of their own sex and the tteetegy— members of their own sex and the tteetegy et— members of their own sex and the new ideology of gender identity reg-eete— new ideology of gender identity reteete thte— new ideology of gender identity rejects this notion— new ideology of gender identity rejects this notion entirely and eettwety— rejects this notion entirely and actively shames_ rejects this notion entirely and actively shames gay people for her— actively shames gay people for their orientation— actively shames gay people for their orientation .— actively shames gay people for their orientation . so when you their orientation. so when you thte— their orientation. so when you thte tteg— their orientation. so when you thte tteg .— their orientation. so when you see this flag , try— their orientation. so when you see this flag , try to understand see this flag, try to understand thet— see this flag, try to understand thet meny— see this flag, try to understand thet meny gey— see this flag, try to understand that many gay people consider it to that many gay people consider it te te— that many gay people consider it te te e— that many gay people consider it te te e eymtet— that many gay people consider it to be a symbol of— that many gay people consider it to be a symbol of opposition to

gay— to be a symbol of opposition to gey nghte.— to be a symbol of opposition to gay rights, women— to be a symbol of opposition to gay rights, women who are concerned about their rights, eenetter— concerned about their rights, eenetter tt— concerned about their rights, consider it a— concerned about their rights, consider it a symbol of misogyny teeeeee— consider it a symbol of misogyny teeeeee tt— consider it a symbol of misogyny because it promotes an ideology thet— because it promotes an ideology thet tentee— because it promotes an ideology that denies the— because it promotes an ideology that denies the reality of sex teeet— that denies the reality of sex based oppression . and yet most based oppression. and yet most eeewe— based oppression. and yet most people, gay— based oppression. and yet most people, gay people, including , people, gay people, including, hewen-t— people, gay people, including, hewen-t een— people, gay people, including, haven't even noticed this trenettten— haven't even noticed this transition from - haven't even noticed this transition from the pro gay retntew— transition from the pro gay rainbow flag— transition from the pro gay rainbow flag to _ transition from the pro gay rainbow flag to this anti gay tmteeter— rainbow flag to this anti gay tmteeter .— rainbow flag to this anti gay imposter . and— rainbow flag to this anti gay imposter . and that's because it imposter. and that's because it all imposter. and that's because it ett heteenet— imposter. and that's because it all happened so— imposter. and that's because it all happened so quickly. and eettwtete— all happened so quickly. and activists are— all happened so quickly. and activists are playing on good tntenttene— activists are playing on good intentions of— activists are playing on good intentions of a— activists are playing on good intentions of a public who don't went— intentions of a public who don't went te— intentions of a public who don't went te te— intentions of a public who don't want to be seen— intentions of a public who don't want to be seen to— intentions of a public who don't want to be seen to be the want to be seen to be on the wreng— want to be seen to be on the wreng etee— want to be seen to be on the wrong side history. want to be seen to be on the wrong side history . well, i wrong side of history. well, i weett— wrong side of history. well, ii would—upholding wrong side of history. well, i- would_upholding the would suggest that upholding the nghte— would suggest that upholding the rtghte et— would suggest that upholding the rtghte et-ent— would suggest that upholding the rtghte et-ent gey- would suggest that upholding the rights of and gay people rights of women and gay people and rights of women and gay people ent-genter- and protecting gender non—conforming children and eeteetng— non—conforming children and opposing hypocrisy of opposing the hypocrisy of corporations— opposing the hypocrisy of corporations is_ opposing the hypocrisy of corporations is the truly tregreeetwe— corporations is the truly progressive approach. anyone who etente— progressive approach. anyone who etente eny— progressive approach. anyone who etente eny ttme— progressive approach. anyone who spends any time on— progressive approach. anyone who spends any time on social media wtt— spends any time on social media wttt newe— spends any time on social media will have seen— spends any time on social media will have seen that— spends any time on social media will have seen that homophobia is will have seen that homophobia te eteerty— will have seen that homophobia te eteertylthe— will have seen that homophobia is clearly-the rise.- will have seen that homophobia is clearly the rise. it's is clearly on the rise. it's eemtng— is clearly on the rise. it's coming from _ is clearly on the rise. it's coming from the reactionary etemente— coming from the reactionary etemente et— coming from the reactionary elements of the— coming from the reactionary elements of the who are elements of the right who are now-gav— elements of the right who are new-gey teette- now holding gay people responsible— now holding gay people responsible drag responsible for sexualised drag ehewe— responsible for sexualised drag ehewe ter— responsible for sexualised drag shows for children and the proliferation— shows for children and the proliferation of— shows for children and the proliferation of sexually extttett— proliferation of sexually explicit books in school libraries. _ explicit books in school libraries. but- explicit books in school libraries. but course they've libraries. but of course they've tetten— libraries. but of course they've tetten ter— libraries. but of course they've fallen for the _ libraries. but of course they've fallen for the-this- libraries. but of course they've fallen for the this isn't fallen for the trick. this isn't gav— fallen for the trick. this isn't gay pimple,— fallen for the trick. this isn't gay people, that's gender tteetegeee— gay people, that's gender ideologues who have convinced eweenery— ideologues who have convinced eweenery thet—

ideologues who have convinced everyone that the— ideologues who have convinced everyone that the lgbtqia+ movement is_ everyone that the lgbtqia+ movement is one big happy family when— movement is one big happy family when tt— movement is one big happy family when tt ten-t.— movement is one big happy family when it isn't. and— movement is one big happy family when it isn't. and we know this teeeeee— when it isn't. and we know this because homophobia is also on the ne— because homophobia is also on the emeng— because homophobia is also on the rise among gender ideologues themeetwee— the rise among gender ideologues themselves who— the rise among gender ideologues themselves who frequently go enttne — themselves who frequently go enttne te — themselves who frequently go online to tell— themselves who frequently go online to tell gay people to ttt— online to tell gay people to kill themselves. _ online to tell gay people to kill themselves. some of them newe— kill themselves. some of them hewe eete— kill themselves. some of them have said that— kill themselves. some of them have said that they celebrate arts— have said that they celebrate arts ee— have said that they celebrate arts ee e— have said that they celebrate aids as a good— have said that they celebrate aids as a good thing. and this ten-t— aids as a good thing. and this ten-t teet— aids as a good thing. and this ten-t teet e— aids as a good thing. and this isn't just a few— aids as a good thing. and this isn't just a few mad activists. there— isn't just a few mad activists. there ee— isn't just a few mad activists. there are thousands of examples of there are thousands of examples et thte. — there are thousands of examples et thte. tt— there are thousands of examples of this. if you've— there are thousands of examples of this. if you've got the etemeeh— of this. if you've got the stomach to _ of this. if you've got the stomach to look them up. so whether— stomach to look them up. so whether tte— stomach to look them up. so whether it's coming from those whe— whether it's coming from those whe eenetter— whether it's coming from those who consider themselves right wtng— who consider themselves right ehg—entt- who consider themselves right wtng—entt geyl wing or left wing, anti gay sentiments— wing or left wing, anti gay sentiments are— wing or left wing, anti gay sentiments are back in fashion. ant— sentiments are back in fashion. ant the— sentiments are back in fashion. ant the teet— sentiments are back in fashion. and the best way— sentiments are back in fashion. and the best way to combat this is and the best way to combat this te te— and the best way to combat this te te remtnt— and the best way to combat this is to remind everyone that that tregreee.— is to remind everyone that that tregreee. tnte— is to remind everyone that that progress, this pride and progress, this pride flag and the corporate— progress, this pride flag and the corporate orgy that accompanies- the corporate orgy that accompanies it is not in the tntereete— accompanies it is not in the interests of— accompanies it is not in the interests of gay— accompanies it is not in the interests of gay people . and if interests of gay people. and if it's interests of gay people. and if he tee— interests of gay people. and if he tee tete— interests of gay people. and if it's too late to _ interests of gay people. and if it's too late to reclaim the engtnet— it's too late to reclaim the original pride— it's too late to reclaim the original pride flag, we can at teeet— original pride flag, we can at teeet ttteh— original pride flag, we can at teeet ttteh .— original pride flag, we can at least ditch . the— original pride flag, we can at least ditch . the new one. okay least ditch. the new one. okay tet-e— least ditch. the new one. okay tet-e eee— least ditch. the new one. okay let's see what— least ditch. the new one. okay let's see what my— least ditch. the new one. okay let's see what my panel make of all let's see what my panel make of ett et— let's see what my panel make of ett et thte. — let's see what my panel make of all of this. did— let's see what my panel make of all of this. did you— let's see what my panel make of all of this. did you have any theeghte— all of this. did you have any thoughts about— all of this. did you have any thoughts about pride as it as it emete— thoughts about pride as it as it extete new— thoughts about pride as it as it exists now compared to what it eeet— exists now compared to what it eeet te— exists now compared to what it eeet te tee— exists now compared to what it used to be? it's— exists now compared to what it used to be? it's sad, isn't it, when— used to be? it's sad, isn't it, when tt— used to be? it's sad, isn't it, when tt t— used to be? it's sad, isn't it,

when it i mean,— used to be? it's sad, isn't it, when it i mean, know it sounds when it i mean, i know it sounds tte— when it i mean, i know it sounds tt-e e— when it i mean, i know it sounds nice. it's a family— when it i mean, i know it sounds nice. it's a family-out.- when it i mean, i know it sounds nice. c nice. it's a family day out. but when see saint kyrees, for when you see saint kyrees, for example, companies example, other companies are available with flags available with with pride flags , are you , you think, what are you saying? think that gay saying? did you think that gay people teabags people couldn't buy teabags before you put the flag up? i mean, yeah, those mean, yeah, it's like those zebra that they've zebra crossings that they've repainted zebra crossings that they've repaincrossroads before that, could crossroads before that, you— could crossroads before that, yee-egtt- could crossroads before that, you-right. right.- could crossroads before that, you-right. right. i. could crossroads before that,- you-right. right. i was you know? right. right. i was able it really makes able to do it. it really makes me sad because i would like me feel sad because i would like to live in a society to think we live in a society where where lots of this has been achieved . it's kind of not been achieved. it's kind of not my place to say. right. but why not? because if there were homophobia swirling around me, i might not know about it. but there isn't. i don't think there is. there isn't. i don't think there te. teete. — there isn't. i don't think there te. teete. apert— there isn't. i don't think there is. louis. apart from - c“tiiti c i don't think there is. louis. apart from louis, meyte— is. louis. apart from louis, meyte. yee— is. louis. apart from louis, maybe, you know. but do you thtnt— maybe, you know. but do you think there's— maybe, you know. but do you think there's homophobia ewtrttng— think there's homophobia. swirling—just think there's homophobia- swirling_just you. swirling around? yeah. just you. teen.— swirling around? yeah. just you. veeh. exeetty— swirling around? yeah. just you. yeah, exactly. but— swirling around? yeah. just you. yeah, exactly. but louis, is there— yeah, exactly. but louis, is there net— yeah, exactly. but louis, is there net e— yeah, exactly. but louis, is there not a point to be made thet.— there not a point to be made thet. yee— there not a point to be made that, you know,— there not a point to be made that, you know, these things ettret— that, you know, these things ettret eet— that, you know, these things ettret eet et— that, you know, these things spiral out of control? you start off spiral out of control? you start eh wtth— spiral out of control? you start eh wtth e— spiral out of control? you start off with a legitimate movement thet— off with a legitimate movement thet hee— off with a legitimate movement that has legitimate aims. it reehee— that has legitimate aims. it. reaches _then that has legitimate aims. it- reaches_then all reaches those aims and then all of reaches those aims and then all et e— reaches those aims and then all et e eetten— reaches those aims and then all of a sudden it— reaches those aims and then all of a sudden it goes— reaches those aims and then all of a sudden it goes mad. of a sudden it goes a bit mad. it of a sudden it goes a bit mad. tt geee— of a sudden it goes a bit mad. tt geeelttt— of a sudden it goes a bit mad. it goes bit bonkers, maybe it goes a bit bonkers, maybe teeeeee— it goes a bit bonkers, maybe because-nothing- it goes a bit bonkers, maybe because nothing left to because it's got nothing left to do, because it's got nothing left to te. tttght. — because it's got nothing left to do, right. .then- because it's got nothing left to do, right. .then it- because it's got nothing left to do, right. '“ti“ c g because it's got nothing left to do, right. c g c do, right. and then it gets it gets discarded when people just

they just see the ridiculousness of and they of the entire thing and they throw the thing out. the throw the whole thing out. the problem saying is, problem what you're saying is, is business, this is that the whole business, this whole business is i'm a bit saddened because i think you'd make a great dad and for goodness sake , i don't want goodness sake, i don't want children. louis well, i don't care whether— children. louis well, i don't care whether you— i“ ti iti“ louis well, i don't care whether you want them or net. — care whether you want them or net. t— care whether you want them or net. t thtnt— care whether you want them or hot. i think this— care whether you want them or not. i think this world- care whether you want them or not. i think this world needs more. more people like you . and more. more people like you. and this is what this is what i'm sorry, louis. i didn't expect it. sorry, louis. i didn't expect t. t— sorry, louis. i didn't expect t. t een-t— sorry, louis. i didn't expect it. i can't see— sorry, louis. i didn't expect it. i can't see where- i didn't expect it. i can't see where this is getng. — it. i can't see where this is getng. rm— it. i can't see where this is going- i'm trying- it. i can't see where this is going. “g it. i can't see where this is going. “id git “ going. i'm trying not to go in the direction that i'm taking it in, okay? but it's almost quite homoerotic , what you're doing, homoerotic, what you're doing, right? no . are you enjoying it? right? no. are you enjoying it? is that . is it. is that. i think is that. is it. is that. i think the sexual more movement? yes. is i think people need to be treated with respect and love, but i don't think it's good for the planet. but good. okay on that note . wait, wait, wait. can that note. wait, wait, wait. can we have let me just. no, look.

no, you've made your bed. i'm going— no, you've made your bed. i'm getng te— no, you've made your bed. i'm getng te tet— no, you've made your bed. i'm getng te tet yee— no, you've made your bed. i'm going to let you lie in it teeeeee— going to let you lie in it because what- going to let you lie in it because what i'm saying, i know whet— because what i'm saying, i know whet-eeythg— because what i'm saying, i know whet-eeytng. t— because what i'm saying, i know what saying. i know. what you're saying. i know. let me— what you're saying. i know. let me tnew— what you're saying. i know. let me tnew. whet— what you're saying. i know. let me know. what saying is, uh. me know. what i'm saying is, uh. is that. is that don't want is that. is that they don't want us to have children. who doesn't? this doesn't? the elites of this world. they want to, as i've said on this program, said before, on this program, they want a ride from their they want a free ride from their from big house to the from their big house to the airport to get on one of their jets. can i suggest that you're going— jets. can i suggest that you're gehg-teete— jets. can i suggest that you're getngitette-ee- can i suggest that you're going topic so slightly going off topic ever so slightly heret— going off topic ever so slightly heree—ten-t- here? yeah but look, don't werry—teetel worry. no, listen, louis, we wtt— worry. no, listen, louis, we wit—theee- worry. no, listen, louis, we- will_those conspiracy will talk about those conspiracy theertee— will talk about those conspiracy thewertt— will talk about those conspiracy thelworld, but— will talk about those conspiracy thelworld, but maybe not now, the world, but maybe not now, teeeeee— the world, but maybe not now, teeeeee tte— the world, but maybe not now, because it's not— the world, but maybe not now, because it's not what we're to here— because it's not what we're to here-etew.— because it's not what we're to here about. anyway. look, here talk about. anyway. look, we've—a break- we've got to go to a break enywey. — we've got to go to a break enywey. .etttt- we've got to go to a break anyway. still come anyway. but still to come on, hee— anyway. but still to come on, hee-wetten- anyway. but still to come on, free nation journalist free speech nation journalist wtet— nick wallace wallace has done meen— nick wallace wallace has done meehlexteee— nick wallace wallace has done much .expose the _ nick wallace wallace has done much expose the ongoing post much to expose the ongoing post ethee— much to expose the ongoing post ehtee tt— much to expose the ongoing post office it scandal— much to expose the ongoing post office it scandal .— much to expose the ongoing post office it scandal. he's going to be office it scandal. he's going to te tetntng— office it scandal. he's going to te tetntng me— office it scandal. he's going to be joining me in— office it scandal. he's going to be joining me in the studio to theme— be joining me in the studio to discuss—more. discuss that and some more tntereettng— discuss that and some more interesting revelations. see you interesting revelations. see you tnlmement—

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wallace wrote the great post office scandal, which is the definitive account of this story, and he joins me now. nick, thanks very much for joining me . nick, could you tell joining me. nick, could you tell me before we begin about this latest revelation, could you tell us about the great post office what exactly office scandal? what exactly happened there ? well, at the happened there? well, at the turn of the century, the post office rolled out a massive system called horizon, which was described at the time as the largest non—military it system in europe. and fortunately, it thtnt— in europe. and fortunately, it tttn-t wert— in europe. and fortunately, it tttn-t wert .— in europe. and fortunately, it didn't work . but— “ c. and fortunately, it didn't work . but what it did do didn't work. but what it did do tete— didn't work. but what it did do was take responses motty for trench— was take responses motty for branch accounting . that is what branch accounting. that is what hermene— branch accounting. that is what nettene tn— branch accounting. that is what heteene tn eeen— branch accounting. that is what happens in each individual post ethee— happens in each individual post office branch— happens in each individual post office branch out— happens in each individual post office branch out of the hands office branch out of the hands et the— office branch out of the hands of the subpostmasters who ran thet— of the subpostmasters who ran thet treneh — of the subpostmasters who ran that branch and— of the subpostmasters who ran that branch and took it into the eentret— that branch and took it into the eentret et— that branch and took it into the control of the— that branch and took it into the control of the post— that branch and took it into the control of the post office. unfortunately— control of the post office. unfortunately due to the terms of unfortunately due to the terms et thetr— unfortunately due to the terms of their contract— unfortunately due to the terms of their contract ,— unfortunately due to the terms of their contract , the of their contract, the postmasters- of their contract, the postmasters were legally responsible— postmasters were legally responsible for the figures that this responsible for the figures that thte eyetem— responsible for the figures that this system threw up and when they— this system threw up and when they wee— this system threw up and when they were faulty,— this system threw up and when they were faulty, then the post ethee. — they were faulty, then the post office. unfortunately decided it gehg— office. unfortunately decided it getng te— office. unfortunately decided it was going to prosecute these geeette— was going to prosecute these teette .— was going to prosecute these teette . ant— was going to prosecute these

people . and many , many hundreds people. and many, many hundreds of people. and many, many hundreds er geeette— people. and many, many hundreds er teette get— people. and many, many hundreds of pepple got given— people. and many, many hundreds of people got given criminal eenwtettene— of people got given criminal convictions for— of people got given criminal convictions for fraud related eheneee— convictions for fraud related eheneee te — convictions for fraud related offences to do— convictions for fraud related offences to do with the misappropriate of public money, when— misappropriate of public money, when tn— misappropriate of public money, when tn teet— misappropriate of public money, when in fact it— misappropriate of public money, when in fact it was the computer eyetem — when in fact it was the computer eyetem thet— when in fact it was the computer system that was— when in fact it was the computer system that was throwing up dodgy— system that was throwing up tetgy hgeree. — system that was throwing up dodgy figures. and why did this tete— dodgy figures. and why did this tete ee— dodgy figures. and why did this tete ee teng— dodgy figures. and why did this take so long to— dodgy figures. and why did this take so long to resolve itself if take so long to resolve itself tr e— take so long to resolve itself tr e teee— take so long to resolve itself if ? because the— take so long to resolve itself if ? because the post office if? because the post office eeweet— if? because the post office eeweet tt— if? because the post office covered it up— if? because the post office covered it up in- if? because the post office covered it up in 2013, there was enegetweeet— covered it up in 2013, there was unequivocal evidence that there pretteme— unequivocal evidence that there were problems with the horizon eyetem. — were problems with the horizon system. independent investigators had gone into it, but investigators had gone into it, tet the— investigators had gone into it, tet the teet— investigators had gone into it, but the post office refused to eetnewtetge — but the post office refused to acknowledge this or admit it for enether— acknowledge this or admit it for enether ete— acknowledge this or admit it for another six years,— acknowledge this or admit it for another six years, and it had to newe— another six years, and it had to hewe the— another six years, and it had to have the truth— another six years, and it had to have the truth dragged out of it, have the truth dragged out of t. ttettng— have the truth dragged out of it, kicking and— have the truth dragged out of it, kicking and screaming in a ente— it, kicking and screaming in a massive epic litigation at the mtgh— massive epic litigation at the not eeen.— massive epic litigation at the high court, which was won by the 555 subpostmasters who took part in 555 subpostmasters who took part tn tt— 555 subpostmasters who took part tn tt. ant— 555 subpostmasters who took part in it. and since— 555 subpostmasters who took part in it. and since then we've had the— in it. and since then we've had the teeee— in it. and since then we've had the teeee et— in it. and since then we've had the process of conviction being geeehet— the process of conviction being geeehet ent— the process of conviction being quashed and the— the process of conviction being quashed and the compensation ehemee— quashed and the compensation schemes being— quashed and the compensation schemes being set up to try and hete— schemes being set up to try and hett the— schemes being set up to try and hett the peer— schemes being set up to try and help the poor people who've been left destitute _ help the poor people who've been left destitute by— help the poor people who've been left destitute by having ertmtnet— left destitute by having criminal records for sometimes then— criminal records for sometimes then e— criminal records for sometimes more than a decade. and yet that has more than a decade. and yet that hee reent— more than a decade. and yet that has found itself— more than a decade. and yet that has found itself bogged down in the weete— has found itself bogged down in the weete ee— has found itself bogged down in the weeds as well. _ has found itself bogged down in the weeds as well. now this kind of the weeds as well. now this kind et eetten— the weeds as well. now this kind et eetten te— the weeds as well. now this kind of action is usually— the weeds as well. now this kind of action is usually the kind of

ththg— of action is usually the kind of thtng thet— of action is usually the kind of thing that people— of action is usually the kind of thing that people with money, wtth—nemte- with resources, can handle retettwety— with resources, can handle retettwety- - with resources, can handle relatively-. but- with resources, can handle relatively . iri relatively well. but we're talking about workers at the post office who wouldn't have those of resources. i mean, those kind of resources. i mean, can give sense of the can you give us any sense of the kind impact fact that this kind of impact fact that this had on these these people ? had on these on these people? well, we know that there have teen — well, we know that there have teen reer— well, we know that there have been four suicides amongst the hentrete— been four suicides amongst the hentrete et— been four suicides amongst the hundreds of people who were eeetet— hundreds of people who were eeetet ent— hundreds of people who were sacked and prosecuted , but this sacked and prosecuted, but this geee— sacked and prosecuted, but this goes even wider— sacked and prosecuted, but this goes even wider than this. there meny. meny— goes even wider than this. there were many, many people who found themeetwee— were many, many people who found themeetwee eet— were many, many people who found themselves out of— were many, many people who found themselves out of a— were many, many people who found themselves out of a job. they'd teen— themselves out of a job. they'd teen tetttety— themselves out of a job. they'd been publicly shamed by having her— been publicly shamed by having thet-ehee— been publicly shamed by having their-office taken- been publicly shamed by having their office taken away their post office taken away hem — their post office taken away hem them. — their post office taken away from them. and— their post office taken away from them. and of course, subpostmaster— from them. and of course, subpostmaster is a visible subpostmaster is a very visible wtthtn— subpostmaster is a very visible within communities. within their communities. they-re—enyl within their communities. - they're _ any stretch they're not rich by any stretch of they're not rich by any stretch et—thetr- of the imagination. their eerntnge— of the imagination. their earnings historically been earnings have historically been gette— earnings have historically been gene-tet— earnings have historically been gette-tet they— earnings have historically been quite but they were so quite poor, but they were so wtettte— quite poor, but they were so wtettte. they— quite poor, but they were so visible, they were well known wtthtn — visible, they were well known within their— visible, they were well known within their community. so within their community. and so when— within their community. and so when-suddenly- within their community. and so when suddenly sacked when they were suddenly sacked in _circumstances- when they were suddenly sacked in _circumstances or. in mysterious circumstances or were-energet— in mysterious circumstances or were-charged with- in mysterious circumstances or were charged with theft or were then charged with theft or tetee — were then charged with theft or false accounting,— were then charged with theft or false accounting, of course false accounting, then of course a false accounting, then of course e eemmentty— false accounting, then of course a community could— false accounting, then of course a community could turn on them . a community could turn on them. we-we— a community could turn on them. we-we heert— a community could turn on them. we've heard stories— a community could turn on them. we've heard stories of people's teeghtere— we've heard stories of people's daughters being— we've heard stories of people's daughters being spat we've daughters being spat at. we've het— daughters being spat at. we've het teette— daughters being spat at. we've het teette whe— daughters being spat at. we've had people who were beaten up as a had people who were beaten up as e reeett— had people who were beaten up as e reeettlthe— had people who were beaten up as a result-the shame— had people who were beaten up as a result the shame that they a result of the shame that they treeght— a result of the shame that they treeght en— a result of the shame that they brought on their— a result of the shame that they brought on their community and it brought on their community and tt—teenty-

brought on their community and tt—teenty tettl it was particularly keenly felt in it was particularly keenly felt tn the— it was particularly keenly felt in the south— it was particularly keenly felt in the south asian community where— in the south asian community where they— in the south asian community where they tt— in the south asian community where they it would break temtttee— where they it would break families apart— where they it would break families apart because if some if families apart because if some t e— families apart because if some if a subpostmaster was sacked or treeeeetet— if a subpostmaster was sacked or treeeeetet. tt— if a subpostmaster was sacked or prosecuted, it would bring such a prosecuted, it would bring such e tegree— prosecuted, it would bring such e tegree et— prosecuted, it would bring such a degree of shame on their temtty— a degree of shame on their temtty ent— a degree of shame on their family and their community that they— family and their community that they weett— family and their community that they would often— family and their community that they would often be ostracised, eeeetng— they would often be ostracised, eeeetng ett— they would often be ostracised, causing all sorts— they would often be ostracised, causing all sorts of incredible mentet— causing all sorts of incredible mental health— causing all sorts of incredible mental health problems for eweenery— mental health problems for eweenery whe— mental health problems for everyone who suffered like this . ant— everyone who suffered like this . ant tet-e— everyone who suffered like this . and let's just— everyone who suffered like this . and let's just bring- everyone who suffered like this . and let's just bring us- . and let's just bring us forward to what's happened now. there's been this scandal exposed at the post office of guidelines guidance, which which classified people, according to race and used some language which i'm not going to use at this time on this on this channel. but very offensive, outdated, racist language. how how is it the case that they had these documents, this how did it happen ? um, well, the historical happen? um, well, the historical te— happen? um, well, the historical version is that— happen? um, well, the historical version is that in— happen? um, well, the historical version is that in the— 7 um, well, the historical version is that in the late tetee.— version is that in the late 1970s, racial— version is that in the late 1970s, racial identity codes were introduced by the police in enter— were introduced by the police in erter te— were introduced by the police in erter te ee— were introduced by the police in order to use them— were introduced by the police in order to use them over radios. so order to use them over radios. se yee— order to use them over radios. se yee weett— order to use them over radios. so you would have someone who whtte— so you would have someone who was white european _ so you would have someone who was white european described as an was white european described as

en ent— was white european described as an icon, and then— was white european described as an icon, and then they would go theegh— an icon, and then they would go threegh the— an icon, and then they would go through the various racial teeertttere— through the various racial descriptors of— through the various racial descriptors of people. now, some of descriptors of people. now, some et theee— descriptors of people. now, some of those terms— descriptors of people. now, some of those terms that— descriptors of people. now, some of those terms that were used in the tete— of those terms that were used in the late 1970s— of those terms that were used in the late 1970s now,— of those terms that were used in the late 1970s now, we would say whetty— the late 1970s now, we would say were wholly offensive. but they were essentially— were wholly offensive. but they were essentially grandfathered in, were essentially grandfathered tn. t— were essentially grandfathered tn. t thtnt— were essentially grandfathered tn. t thtnt. te— were essentially grandfathered in, i think, to the— were essentially grandfathered in, i think, to the post office investigation— in, i think, to the post office investigation teams, the people whe— investigation teams, the people whe mete— investigation teams, the people whe mete the— investigation teams, the people who made the prosecution teetetene— who made the prosecution decisions at— who made the prosecution decisions at the post office, teeeeee— decisions at the post office, because one— decisions at the post office, because one of— decisions at the post office, because one of the signal things eteet— because one of the signal things eteet tnte— because one of the signal things about this scandal— because one of the signal things about this scandal and one of the— about this scandal and one of the eeee— about this scandal and one of the reasons it— about this scandal and one of the reasons it remained undetected— the reasons it remained undetected for so long was teeeeee— undetected for so long was because the _ undetected for so long was because the post office had its ewn—entl because the post office had its| when—t tte own investigation team and its own prosecutors. _ own investigation team and its own prosecutors. they own prosecutors. so they effectively, _ own prosecutors. so they effectively, by- own prosecutors. so they effectively, by passed the tetee— effectively, by passed the tettee ent— effectively, by passed the police and the- effectively, by passed the police and the cps . but police and the cps. but etwteeety— police and the cps. but obviously some these codes obviously some of these codes reent— obviously some of these codes teent thetr— obviously some of these codes found their way— obviously some of these codes found their way into the post ethee— found their way into the post office investigation unit and in het— office investigation unit and in their compliance— office investigation unit and in their compliance documents, they regetret— their compliance documents, they were required to— their compliance documents, they were required to racially eetegertee— were required to racially categorise their suspects. now, you— categorise their suspects. now, yee eete— categorise their suspects. now, yee eett tnte— categorise their suspects. now, you said this went— categorise their suspects. now, you said this went on till 2008. we you said this went on till 2008. we ten-t— you said this went on till 2008. we ten-t tnew— you said this went on till 2008. we don't know when it finished teeeeee— we don't know when it finished teeeeee the— we don't know when it finished because the post— we don't know when it finished because the post office is eerrentty— because the post office is currently investigating to find out currently investigating to find eet when— currently investigating to find out when this— currently investigating to find out when this compliance teeement— out when this compliance document actually was discontinued. so it may have teen— discontinued. so it may have teen e— discontinued. so it may have teen e geee— discontinued. so it may have teen e geet 2— discontinued. so it may have been a good 2 or— discontinued. so it may have been a good 2 or 3 years after thet— been a good 2 or 3 years after thet ee— been a good 2 or 3 years after thet ee wett. — been a good 2 or 3 years after that as well. and— been a good 2 or 3 years after that as well. and there's no teett— that as well. and there's no doubt about— that as well. and there's no doubt about it— that as well. and there's no doubt about it that these terms erelthe— doubt about it that these terms erelthe-wteh- doubt about it that these terms are, the nish kumar,

are, in the words of nish kumar, vteterten— are, in the words of nish kumar, victorian-powered- victorian era steam powered ent— victorian era steam powered ent yee— victorian era steam powered racism and you when i've studied the teet— racism and you when i've studied the eeet ethee— racism and you when i've studied the post office for— racism and you when i've studied the post office for as long as i newe— the post office for as long as i hewe. tte— the post office for as long as i hewe. tt-e net— the post office for as long as i have, it's not surprising to me thet— have, it's not surprising to me thet they— have, it's not surprising to me that they would _ have, it's not surprising to me that they would use terms like the— that they would use terms like this, because— that they would use terms like this, because if— that they would use terms like this, because if your department is this, because if your department te reetenettte— this, because if your department is responsible for— this, because if your department is responsible for erroneously treeeeettng— is responsible for erroneously prosecuting hundreds of people on prosecuting hundreds of people en tetee— prosecuting hundreds of people on false evidence— prosecuting hundreds of people on false evidence , it's hardly on false evidence, it's hardly any— on false evidence, it's hardly eny eertrtee— on false evidence, it's hardly any surprise that— on false evidence, it's hardly any surprise that your compliance- any surprise that your compliance systems are going to be compliance systems are going to te tn— compliance systems are going to te tn e— compliance systems are going to be in a complete,— compliance systems are going to be in a complete, outdated mess . ant— be in a complete, outdated mess . ant ee— be in a complete, outdated mess . ant ee when— be in a complete, outdated mess . and so when obviously the tengeege— . and so when obviously the language itself,— . and so when obviously the language itself, when you if you do language itself, when you if you te reet— language itself, when you if you do read about— language itself, when you if you do read about it— language itself, when you if you do read about it and it's only a etert— do read about it and it's only a ehert teegte— do read about it and it's only a short google away,— do read about it and it's only a short google away, is very, very ehenetwe— short google away, is very, very ehenetwe te — short google away, is very, very offensive to lots— short google away, is very, very offensive to lots of— short google away, is very, very offensive to lots of racial greete— offensive to lots of racial greete. — offensive to lots of racial greete. t— offensive to lots of racial groups. i mean,- offensive to lots of racial groups. “ groups. i mean, that's the point. i wouldn't even just say that outdated language. that this is outdated language. it's positively 19th century. it's positively 19th century. it's so far outdated that i find it baffling . i can't understand it baffling. i can't understand how it could be, how these compliance documents that no one saw point and saw them at any point and thought, oh, well, they're due a bit of revision. how did that not happen ? well, i guess if not happen? well, i guess if you're going back to an organisation , particularly organisation, particularly a department within the organisation, which was almost exclusively white, was largely

made up of burly coppers who'd made up of burly coppers who'd made their way over from the met and didn't think that closely about what they were doing . and about what they were doing. and thatis about what they were doing. and that is why so many people- that is why so many people were teteety— that is why so many people were falsely prosecuted— that is why so many people were falsely prosecuted on dodgy ewttenee— falsely prosecuted on dodgy evidence because they didn't enteretent— evidence because they didn't understand what they were doing. t hey— understand what they were doing. they wee— understand what they were doing. they net— understand what they were doing. they net e— understand what they were doing. they were not a competent organisation,— they were not a competent organisation, so— they were not a competent organisation, so it's unsafe etwtetng— organisation, so it's unsafe advising that— organisation, so it's unsafe advising that incompetent people who advising that incompetent people whe ten-t— advising that incompetent people who don't know— advising that incompetent people who don't know how to navigate the metem— who don't know how to navigate the modern world— who don't know how to navigate the modern world very well are etttt— the modern world very well are etttt newe— the modern world very well are still have the— the modern world very well are still have the mindset of a 19th eentery— still have the mindset of a 19th century prosecutor— still have the mindset of a 19th century prosecutor and still are eetng— century prosecutor and still are eetng tengeege— century prosecutor and still are using language which wouldn't be out using language which wouldn't be eet et— using language which wouldn't be eet et etete— using language which wouldn't be eet et tteee tn— using language which wouldn't be out of place in the— using language which wouldn't be out of place in the 19th century ent— out of place in the 19th century ent teet— out of place in the 19th century ent teet very— out of place in the 19th century and just very quickly before we then.— and just very quickly before we hnteh. wttt— and just very quickly before we finish, nick, now— and just very quickly before we finish, nick, now that you've wrttten— finish, nick, now that you've wrttten yeer— finish, nick, now that you've written your-this- finish, nick, now that you've written your this is been written your book, this is been eeweret the— written your book, this is been covered. the scandal- written your book, this is been covered. the scandal is out there in the open. the there in the open. is does the post office look like it's going to and rehabilitate its to try and rehabilitate its image anytime, time soon? image anytime, any time soon? well, the racial language teeement— well, the racial language document is_ well, the racial language document is just one of three eeentete— document is just one of three scandals, which— document is just one of three scandals, which have broken in the teet— scandals, which have broken in the last month— scandals, which have broken in the last month .— scandals, which have broken in the last month . we've had the the last month. we've had the tax the last month. we've had the tet tewyer.— the last month. we've had the tax lawyer, dan— the last month. we've had the tax lawyer, dan needle , the man tax lawyer, dan needle, the man whe— tax lawyer, dan needle, the man whe treeght— tax lawyer, dan needle, the man who brought down— tax lawyer, dan needle, the man who brought down nadine zahawi hte— who brought down nadine zahawi hte tex— who brought down nadine zahawi over his tax affairs— who brought down nadine zahawi over his tax affairs , look into over his tax affairs, look into the— over his tax affairs, look into this scandal— over his tax affairs, look into this scandal and— over his tax affairs, look into this scandal and actually submit

a this scandal and actually submit etermet— this scandal and actually submit a formal complaint to the settettere— a formal complaint to the solicitors regulation authority eteet— solicitors regulation authority eteet the — solicitors regulation authority eteet the wey— solicitors regulation authority about the way that one element of about the way that one element et the— about the way that one element et the teet— about the way that one element of the post office _ about the way that one element of the post office compensation eheme— of the post office compensation eheme te— of the post office compensation scheme is being— of the post office compensation scheme is being run for victims teeeeee— scheme is being run for victims teeeeee he— scheme is being run for victims teeeeee he eeye— scheme is being run for victims because he says it's misleading. ant— because he says it's misleading. ant-teet— because he says it's misleading. ant-teet-te— because he says it's misleading. and-post-is either- and the post office is either deliberately _ and the post office is either deliberately-or- and the post office is either deliberately or or misleading and the post office is either de|victimsy or or misleading and the post office is either de|victims or or or misleading and the post office is either de|victims or it's or misleading and the post office is either de|victims or it's incompetentig its victims or it's incompetent ent— its victims or it's incompetent ent en— its victims or it's incompetent ent en tet— its victims or it's incompetent ent en tet et— its victims or it's incompetent and on top of that, we found out thet— and on top of that, we found out thet teet— and on top of that, we found out that post office— and on top of that, we found out that post office executives had ewertet— that post office executives had awarded themselves bonuses just for awarded themselves bonuses just ter cowe— awarded themselves bonuses just for covid operating with the tethe— for covid operating with the tettte tngetry— for covid operating with the public inquiry into this eeentet— public inquiry into this scandal, which is their etetetery— scandal, which is their statutory duty. now, this has nettenet— statutory duty. now, this has heteenet tn— statutory duty. now, this has happened in the— statutory duty. now, this has happened in the space of four weete — happened in the space of four weete vee— happened in the space of four weeks. you wonder how the post ethee— weeks. you wonder how the post office continues— weeks. you wonder how the post office continues to _ weeks. you wonder how the post office continues to go about eheettng— office continues to go about shooting itself— office continues to go about shooting itself in the foot the entre— shooting itself in the foot the enttre ttme— shooting itself in the foot the entire time and— shooting itself in the foot the entire time and whether it will ever recover. there are people eterttng— ever recover. there are people eterttng te— ever recover. there are people starting to ask— ever recover. there are people starting to ask serious geeettene— starting to ask serious questions whether starting to ask serious- questions _whether the questions about whether the ergenteet— questions about whether the organised nation fit for organised nation is fit for ewteee— organised nation is fit for terteeelett— organised nation is fit for purpose all because it purpose at all because it teeen-t— purpose at all because it doesn't have— purpose at all because it doesn't have value to the to doesn't have any value to the to the te — doesn't have any value to the to the te the — doesn't have any value to the to the to the country— doesn't have any value to the to the to the country anymore. met.— the to the country anymore. wtet. rm— the to the country anymore. wtet. t-m sorry.— the to the country anymore. nick, i'm sorry. we- the to the country anymore. nick, i'm sorry. we have- the to the country anymore. nick, i'm sorry. we have we are out time, but thank you so out of time, but thank you so much on the show much forjoining me on the show today. appreciate it. today. really appreciate it. thank and still to come on free speech nation , the bible gets speech nation, the bible gets banned bbc show casualty banned and bbc show casualty goes woke . it's almost time for goes woke. it's almost time for social sensation. see you in a

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okay. so this part of the part of the show where we look at the social sensations of the week. and first up, we've got this news report from utah. it's a school district clamped down on that well known purveyor of and indecent materials, the bible. now, an interesting now, this was an interesting story that went viral. and of course, viral because course, it went viral because chris skudder. it's an one, chris skudder. it's an odd one, isn't what here? isn't it? what happened here? well, it sounds odd the well, it sounds odd on the surface, yeah, surface, doesn't it? yeah, but it surface, doesn't it? yeah, but tt eeente— surface, doesn't it? yeah, but it sounds like— surface, doesn't it? yeah, but it sounds like probably- i i c 7 yeah, but it sounds like probably very it sounds like probably a very tregreeetwe— progressive parent has complained- progressive parent has complained school progressive parent has- complained-school and complained to the school and eett— complained to the school and eete—teen- complained to the school and said, been banning said, oh, you've been banningi eeme—gehg some books, now we're going to ten— some books, now we're going to ten-teeeeee— some books, now we're going to ban because there's ban yours because there's etreety— ban yours because there's already been— ban yours because there's already been some books banned for already been some books banned ter tetng— already been some books banned for being-sexual— already been some books banned for being-sexual for- for being too sexual for ehtttren— for being too sexual for ehtttren .— for being too sexual for children . yes.- for being too sexual for children . yes. so this is a bit children. yes. so this is a bit of children. yes. so this is a bit et e— children. yes. so this is a bit et e ttt— children. yes. so this is a bit et e ttt ter— children. yes. so this is a bit of a tit for tat,— children. yes. so this is a bit of a tit for tat, isn't it? teen.— of a tit for tat, isn't it? yeah, that's— of a tit for tat, isn't it? yeah, that's what it is, isn't tte— yeah, that's what it is, isn't he — yeah, that's what it is, isn't it? because— yeah, that's what it is, isn't it? because there- yeah, that's what it is, isn't it? i it? because there are some sexually explicit elements to the if you're if the bible. and so if you're if you florida or you know the florida state or whatever going ban books whatever is going to ban books with elements, you could make a

case that bible have case that the bible would have to well, it's to go as well. well, it's interesting _ to go as well. well, it's interesting that- to go as well. well, it's. interesting that-chose to go as well. well, it's- interesting that-chose utah interesting that they chose utah to interesting that they chose utah te-whteh — interesting that they chose utah te-whteh te— interesting that they chose utah to_which islvery- to do it in, which is a very tht— to do it in, which is a very kind .weirdly_ to do it in, which is a very kind weirdly religious kind of weirdly religious state. it's kind of weirdly religious state. he tn— kind of weirdly religious state. he tn the— kind of weirdly religious state. it's in the west— kind of weirdly religious state. it's in the west and it's got ett— it's in the west and it's got all-mormons- it's in the west and it's got all mormons living there. all those mormons living there. but-eventually,— all those mormons living there. but eventually, eventually all those mormons living there. but going/entually, eventually all those mormons living there. but going/enleady, eventually all those mormons living there. but going len lead y, (the tually it's going to lead to the dissolution— dissolution of the american eyetem — dissolution of the american system - states- dissolution of the american system states because system of the states because gehg— system of the states because some are going to be okay. well, eteerentty— apparently we've got a package on apparently we've got a package en—tet-e— apparently we've got a package en—tet-e newe- apparently we've got a package on_let's have a- apparently we've got a package on_let's have a look| apparently we've got a package. on_let's have a look . on this one. let's have a look. the on this one. let's have a look. the eewe— on this one. let's have a look. the davis county— on this one. let's have a look. the davis county school- on this one. the davis county school district is the davis county school district te remewtng— the davis county school district is removing the— the davis county school district is removing the king james et— is removing the king james version of the— is removing the king james version of the bible from etementery— version of the bible from elementary and junior high eeheete— elementary and junior high schools here. _ elementary and junior high schools here. the school ttetrtet— schools here. the school district says— schools here. the school district says around 7 to 8 eeheete— district says around 7 to 8 schools around- district says around 7 to 8 schools around the district had the the— schools around the district had the httte tn— schools around the district had the bible in their— schools around the district had the bible in their libraries. t hey— the bible in their libraries. they ee— the bible in their libraries. they are being— the bible in their libraries. they are being removed following a they are being removed following e eteh— they are being removed following e eteh tew— they are being removed following a utah law that— they are being removed following a utah law that prohibits eeheete— a utah law that prohibits schools from _ a utah law that prohibits schools from having or indecent metertet— schools from having or indecent metertet . — schools from having or indecent metertet . t— schools from having or indecent material . i mean,— schools from having or indecent material . i mean, it- schools from having or indecent material. c material. i mean, it is a travesty , actually, because the travesty, actually, because the king james bible as well is a really beautiful document. and it's sort of it's been really formative in terms of the way that and well, i don't that we speak. and well, i don't know. buti that we speak. and well, i don't know. but i think kids all up ent— know. but i think kids all up ent tewn— know. but i think kids all up and down the— but i think kids all up and down the country are going to and down the country are going te—eeet— and down the country are going te—eeet tt- and down the country are going to_seek it out. - and down the country are going to seek it out. now to be going to seek it out. now eent— to be going to seek it out. now eren-t-tteyte—

aren't they? maybe it's just a mertettng— aren't they? maybe it's just a mertettng. yee— aren't they? maybe it's just a marketing, you know, if they're teettng— marketing, you know, if they're teettng-rete— marketing, you know, if they're looking-rude bits,- looking for the rude bits, they-re— looking for the rude bits, they're—find. j looking for the rude bits,- they're_find. you they're difficult to find. you hete— they're difficult to find. you hewe te— they're difficult to find. you hewe to te— they're difficult to find. you hewe to te e— they're difficult to find. you have to be a.of- they're difficult to find. you have to be a.of a- they're difficult to find. you have to be a of a theologian have to be a bit of a theologian or a scholar to where to or a scholar to know where to look. good luck, kids look. right. but good luck, kids anyway. it's part the anyway. now it's part of the show talk through show where we talk through your unfiltered dilemma. the first dilemma david. dilemma came in from david. david yesterday joined david says, yesterday i joined a queue the supermarket and saw queue at the supermarket and saw a elderly take a very elderly gentleman take an a take an age. oh, i see what you mean. take an age over his transaction before wandering off in a confused state wearing a vacant stare . when i left, he vacant stare. when i left, he was getting behind the wheel of a car report. my concerns or none of my business sounds like fraudulence. what do you think, lewis? an age over. what is lewis? what an age over. what is that? it's a phrase— lewis? what an age over. what is that? it's a phrase he— 37 3“ g what is that? it's a phrase he means it tetee— that? it's a phrase he means it tetee e— that? it's a phrase he means it tetee e teng— that? it's a phrase he means it takes a long time. ottii oh, takes a long time. over. oh, teet— takes a long time. over. oh, teet en— takes a long time. over. oh, teet en ege— takes a long time. over. oh, took an age over.— takes a long time. ottii oh, took an age over. it's not. tte— took an age over. it's not. he net— took an age over. it's not. it's not grammatically accurate. right yeah. then said, right yeah. and then they said, wett—wetti well he probably thought, well, he-e— well he probably thought, well, hee—the- well he probably thought, well,| he's—the united he's the president of the united stetee. — he's the president of the united stetee. nett— he's the president of the united states. he'll be— he's the president of the united states. he'll be all right. reeettty— states. he'll be all right. possibly crested - states. he'll be all right. possibly crested or- states. he'll be all right. possibly crested or do- states. he'll be all right. possibly crested or do you have any thoughts on that, joe biden allowed drive? i know allowed to drive? i don't know whet— allowed to drive? i don't know whet-eeythg— allowed to drive? i don't know whet-eeytng. he- allowed to drive? i don't know what-saying. he saw- what he's saying. he saw eemetety— what he's saying. he saw somebody navigating a self—checkout thought, self—checkout and thought, i ten-t— self—checkout and thought, i ten-t ttte— self—checkout and thought, i don't like the— self—checkout and thought, i don't like the he's done don't like the way he's done thet.— don't like the way he's done that-idon't— don't like the way he's done that.idon't it's— don't like the way he's done that. don't it's just saw him

that. i don't it's just saw him the— that. i don't it's just saw him the e— that. i don't it's just saw him the e er— that. i don't it's just saw him drive a car and— that. i don't it's just saw him drive a car and thought he eheett— drive a car and thought he should report— drive a car and thought he should report this. who? to should report this. to who? to whe— should report this. to who? to whe . — should report this. to who? to whe . t— should report this. to who? to whe . t thtnt— should report this. to who? to who . i think just— should report this. to who? to who . “ti i who. i think just mind your own business right? yeah. yeah, definitely . well, that's one of definitely. well, that's one of the more baffling dilemmas we've had. them coming had. but keep them coming in anyway. all anyway. i'm afraid that is all we've for. but thank we've got time for. but thank you for joining for you very much for joining us for free speech nation. we're i'd like to thank my panel. cressida wetton and lewis and wetton and lewis schaffer. and to guests that you've to all of the guests that you've seen tonight. and by the way, if you join us live in you want to join us live in the studio part of our studio and be part of our wonderful you can do wonderful audience, you can do that to go do is that all. you have to go do is go dot sro audiences.com. go to ww dot sro audiences.com. you can see the web address on the screen right now and do come along we've got along because we've got wine, we've snacks. a lot of we've got snacks. it's a lot of fun, isn't it? so do fun, isn't it? cressida so do come join us. you said come along and join us. you said that in a kind of sceptical way. i did. don't worry, lewis i did. and don't worry, lewis isn't every week . but no , isn't here every week. but no, he's actually lewis. i'm sorry about that one. that was too far, wasn't it? but then you did call me half a journalist. well, no. you are a journalist enetmee— no. you are a journalist sometimes you- you are a journalist sometimes you have your teernettet— sometimes you have your journalist hat— sometimes you have your journalist hat on and sometimes you journalist hat on and sometimes yee-tee— journalist hat on and sometimes yee-tee meen— journalist hat on and sometimes you-too much of- journalist hat on and sometimes you-too much of an- journalist hat on and sometimes you too much of an agenda you have too much of an agenda to you have too much of an agenda te—teernettet. - you have too much of an agenda to_journalist. you. to be called a journalist. you

ereew-te— to be called a journalist. you are-lewis. you- to be called a journalist. you are-lewis. you know. are always lewis. you know what yeer— are always lewis. you know what yew-te— are always lewis. you know what yeer-te generetty- are always lewis. you know what your-is generally, right?i your agenda is generally, right? so your agenda is generally, right? se-tt.— your agenda is generally, right? se-tt. het— your agenda is generally, right? se-tt. tet tte- your agenda is generally, right? so-it. but it's like. so i support it. but it's like when.— so i support it. but it's like when. yee— so i support it. but it's like when, you know,- so i support it. but it's like when, you know, on positive when, you know, on that positive hete— when, you know, on that positive nee-teet— when, you know, on that positive netelteet-yee— when, you know, on that positive note,-just-you off- note, i'll just cut you off there— note, i'll just cut you off there when _ note, i'll just cut you off there when he- note, i'll just cut you off there when he says something me— there when he says something ntee—ehenge. i there when he says something. nice _change. but nice about me for a change. but look.— nice about me for a change. but took-tuned— nice about me for a change. but look,-tuned for— nice about me for a change. but look,-tuned for the- look, stay tuned for the brilliant dolan tonight. brilliant mark dolan tonight. that and don't that is next. and please don't forget headliners on forget that headliners is on every at 11 lewis is every night at 11 pm. lewis is on and that is the late on tonight and that is the late night paper show where night paper preview show where comedians talk you through the next stories. next day's top news stories. that's night 11:00. that's every night at 11:00. don't it . and thank you all don't miss it. and thank you all for watching. free speech nation . next week. woo . i'll see you next week. woo woo ! hello there. welcome to woo! hello there. welcome to your latest— woo! hello there. welcome to your latest ea— woo! hello there. welcome to your latest gb news- sm; welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast— your latest gb news weather toroooot . — your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm— your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm greg- your latest gb news weather forecast. ecu t your latest gb news weather forecast . ecu t e�*r: forecast. i'm greg dewhurst and looking at the next few days it stays fine and settled, but there are signs of something little hotter and more humid on the way to end the week. but at the way to end the week. but at the moment, high pressure is in charge of our weather keeping it settled. this low pressure moves towards us, allowing a southerly airstream to develop towards next weekend , increasing risk of next weekend, increasing risk of some heavy showers. a fine end to sunday. we are seeing some

low cloud across eastern areas push its way inland as we move overnight tonight. they can offer the odd spot of drizzle , offer the odd spot of drizzle, clear skies holding on across west in parts of the uk and under those clear skies, temperatures could dip to mid to low single figures holding up in the east where it is a grey start to monday morning . low start to monday morning. low cloud also affected midlands , cloud also affected midlands, perhaps even eastern parts of wales , but through the morning wales, but through the morning and into the afternoon we should see that low cloud lift and break back towards the eastern coast it will stay quite coast where it will stay quite grey much the day. whilst grey for much of the day. whilst much of country will have a much of the country will have a fine plenty of sunny spells fine day, plenty of sunny spells and temperatures lifting into the still chilly along the low 20s still chilly along eastern coast with that north easterly breeze here on monday evening. we've got plenty of sunshine before dusk and then as we head towards midnight and overnight, we see the low cloud pushing back in once again, a bit of deja vu here. thick enough for a little of light enough for a little bit of light rain and drizzle in places, but perhaps pushing a little further westwards than previous nights

under any clear spells, particularly across western scotland , northern ireland. scotland, northern ireland. temperatures here on the chilly side. and so quite a grey start to tuesday morning. best the to tuesday morning. best of the sunshine. western fringes of the uk. of northern ireland. uk. much of northern ireland. and then just like the last few days, we'll see that low cloud slowly push back. may take slowly push back. it may take longer. some central and longer. so some central and eastern parts of england staying on the cloudy best of the on the cloudy side, best of the sunshine west, further sunshine in the west, further sunshine. wednesday and thursday. temperatures in the low 20s. see you again later.

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