today. listen. all right surface today. listen. all right . deep breath. firstly , are you . deep breath. firstly, are you okay? — . deep breath. firstly, are you okay? wen— . deep breath. firstly, are you okay? wok .— . deep breath. firstly, are you okay? well , are . deep breath. firstly, are you okay? well, are you? don't . deep breath. firstly, are you- okay? well , are you? don't know okay? well, are you? don't know about— okay? well, are you? don't know about you,— okay? well, are you? don't know about you, kao— okay? well, are you? don't know aooaa you, out ._ okay? well, are you? don't know about you, but i am— okay? well, are you? don't know about you, but i am not- okay? rikki“ mi; 7 don't know about you, but i am not okay. no.— about you, but i am not okay. no. i— about you, but i am not okay. no. i am— about you, but i am not okay. no. i am traumatised . caused by no. i am traumatised. caused by the harry— no. i am traumatised. caused by the harry ana— no. i am traumatised. caused by the harry and phil— no. i am traumatised. caused by the harry and phil nonsense. harry— the harry and phil nonsense. harry ana— the harry and phil nonsense. harry and phil— the harry and phil nonsense. harry and phil ?_ the harry and phil nonsense. harry and phil? see what i did more?— harry and phil? see what i did more? au— harry and phil? see what i did there? all of— harry and phil? see what i did there? all of it— harry and phil? see what i did there? all of it put together. oat— there? all of it put together. but hokky— there? all of it put together. but holly returned today. i have to com?— but holly returned today. i have to ooaoss? k— but holly returned today. i have to confess, i did— but holly returned today. i have to confess, i did tune in and i aka— to confess, i did tune in and i am watch.— to confess, i did tune in and i did watch. and— to confess, i did tune in and i did watch. and i— to confess, i did tune in and i did watch. and i was fascinated. i did watch. and i was fascinated. . toa— did watch. and i was fascinated. . too the— did watch. and i was fascinated. i find the whole— did watch. and i was fascinated. i find the whole thing now ridiculous— i find the whole thing now ridiculous and— i find the whole thing now ridiculous and i am a little bit traumatised— ridiculous and i am a little bit traumatised because i still do not traumatised because i still do aot tattoos— traumatised because i still do not believe that— traumatised because i still do not believe that what we're seeing— not believe that what we're seeing ts— not believe that what we're seeing is ato— not believe that what we're seeing is the truth. the whole truth, — seeing is the truth. the whole truth, and — seeing is the truth. the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. — truth, and nothing but the truth. ._ truth, and nothing but the truth. i wonder, what do you make— truth. i wonder, what do you make to— truth. i wonder, what do you make to k— truth. i wonder, what do you make to it all?— truth. i wonder, what do you make to it all? i— truth. i wonder, what do you make to it all? i think it is faaakky— make to it all? i think it is frankly ridiculous and rishi eaaak— frankly ridiculous and rishi saaak tas— frankly ridiculous and rishi sunak has also— frankly ridiculous and rishi sunak has also been speaking out today.— sunak has also been speaking out today. attsoa — sunak has also been speaking out today. kusoa >— sunak has also been speaking out today. alison > our— sunak has also been speaking out today. alison 5 cu. ” f today. alison > our approach is working . is it working ? well, i working. is it working? well, i can tell you now there's- g e "q7 well, i can tell you now there's been a lot can tell you now there's been a to of— can tell you now there's been a to of aa— can tell you now there's been a lot of air circulating. and i eon-t— lot of air circulating. and i eon-t mean— lot of air circulating. and i don't mean of— lot of air circulating. and i don't mean of the hot variety being— don't mean of the hot variety being chatted. _ don't mean of the hot variety being chatted. i— don't mean of the hot variety being chatted. i mean the freezing— being chatted. i mean the freezing cold— being chatted. i mean the freezing cold variety that has made—

freezing cold variety that has mate-ontuy. - freezing cold variety that has made-chilly. i- freezing cold variety that has made chilly. i personally made us all chilly. i personally sav— made us all chilly. i personally say-me— made us all chilly. i personally say-me mne— made us all chilly. i personally say-the wind to— made us all chilly. i personally say the wind to thank not say it's the wind to thank not ktsnt— say it's the wind to thank not ktsnt sanak— say it's the wind to thank not rishi sunak plans when it comes to reaming— rishi sunak plans when it comes to reducing-boat— rishi sunak plans when it comes to reducing boat crossings. to reducing the boat crossings. am — to reducing the boat crossings. km —on- to reducing the boat crossings. km —on ao- am i being harsh or do you agree?— am i being harsh or do you agree? ana— am i being harsh or do you agree? and two— am i being harsh or do you agree? and two thirds of brits sav— agree? and two thirds of brits say mat— agree? and two thirds of brits say mat nans— agree? and two thirds of brits say that trans people, trans women, so—called , should not be women, so—called, should not be in women, so—called, should not be m-snaoes— women, so—called, should not be m-soaoes .— women, so—called, should not be m-soaoes . no— women, so—called, should not be in-spaces . do you- women, so—called, should not be in spaces . do you agree in female spaces. do you agree mm— in female spaces. do you agree nnn men?— in female spaces. do you agree with them? and _ in female spaces. do you agree with them? and how much do you ean?— with them? and how much do you ._ with them? and how much do you . know— with them? and how much do you earn? i know it's— with them? and how much do you earn? i know it's not— with them? and how much do you earn? i know it's not an english mine,— earn? i know it's not an english ammo, nnnsn— earn? i know it's not an english thing, british thing to ask that question— thing, british thing to ask that question nat— thing, british thing to ask that question, butlam_ thing, british thing to ask that question, but am asking question, but i am asking because— question, but i am asking because so— question, but i am asking because 30 people now are going to te— because 30 people now are going to be given— because 30 people now are going to be given £1,600— because 30 people now are going to be given £1,600 for doing the sea— to be given £1,600 for doing the saa root— to be given £1,600 for doing the soa noot on— to be given £1,600 for doing the square root of nothing. a trial of square root of nothing. a trial on annensak— square root of nothing. a trial of universal basic— square root of nothing. a trial of universal basic income. is ants— of universal basic income. is ants me— of universal basic income. is this the future— of universal basic income. is this the future or— of universal basic income. is this the future or are we just meeting— this the future or are we just meeting a— this the future or are we just breeding a nation of bone, idle noantngness— breeding a nation of bone, idle nothingness, depending on the state?— nothingness, depending on the state? ant— nothingness, depending on the state? ant aet— nothingness, depending on the state? and get this the biggest staty— state? and get this the biggest staty ot— state? and get this the biggest staty ot tts— state? and get this the biggest study of its kind— state? and get this the biggest study of its kind has dropped today,— study of its kind has dropped today, everybody. lockdowns are ttkety— today, everybody. lockdowns are ttkety, tt— today, everybody. lockdowns are ttkety, tt says— today, everybody. lockdowns are likely, it says, to— today, everybody. lockdowns are likely, it says, to represent tne— likely, it says, to represent tne modest— likely, it says, to represent the biggest policy mistake in moetn— the biggest policy mistake in modern times. _ the biggest policy mistake in modern times. goodness gracious tekt— modern times. goodness gracious tett me— modern times. goodness gracious me. tell me something we don't atneaty— me. tell me something we don't atneaty know. — me. tell me something we don't already know. anyway, we'll have all already know. anyway, we'll have at ot— already know. anyway, we'll have at ot tnat— already know. anyway, we'll have at ot mat to— already know. anyway, we'll have all of that to come— already know. anyway, we'll have all of that to come and more. out— all of that to come and more. not ttnst— all of that to come and more. but first, the— all of that to come and more. but first, the ._

all of that to come and more. but first, the . news ii f but first, the. news michelle, mank— but first, the. news michelle, thank you. the top stories at 6:00 on gb news. the prime minister says his plan to tackle the arrival of illegal migrants to the uk in small boats and the asylum backlog is starting to work. but he admits there's still a long way to go. during a speech in kent, the prime minister said small boat crossings were down 20. rishi sunak also announced a further two barges to accommodate eight a further 1000 migrants. but wouldn't comment on where the barges would be located . the barges would be located. the prime minister says the government is using every tool at its disposal easel to tackle illegal migration . ian we've now illegal migration. ian we've now netannet— illegal migration. ian we've now netannet tsoo— illegal migration. ian we've now returned 1800 to— illegal migration. ian we've now returned 1800 to albania- g 3" ian we've now returned 1800 to albania in just six returned 1800 to albania in just so montns. — returned 1800 to albania in just six months. we've— returned 1800 to albania in just six months. we've gone from assepttng— six months. we've gone from accepting around— six months. we've gone from accepting around 1 in 5 albanian asymm— accepting around 1 in 5 albanian asytam ase— accepting around 1 in 5 albanian asylum cases to— accepting around 1 in 5 albanian asylum cases to now just 1 in 50 in asylum cases to now just 1 in 50 tn une— asylum cases to now just 1 in 50 tn ttne nttn— asylum cases to now just 1 in 50 in line with our— asylum cases to now just 1 in 50 in line with our european stamens.— in line with our european partners. and— in line with our european partners. and what is the result of partners. and what is the result ot att— partners. and what is the result ot att ot— partners. and what is the result of all of this?— partners. and what is the result of all of this? well, so far

tnts— of all of this? well, so far tnts y...— of all of this? well, so far this year, the _ of all of this? well, so far this year, the number of albanians— this year, the number of albanians small boat arrivals nas— albanians small boat arrivals nas tatten— albanians small boat arrivals nas tatten ty— albanians small boat arrivals has fallen by almost. 90. albanians small boat arrivals has fallen by almost . 90. well, has fallen by almost. 90. well, the has fallen by almost. 90. well, me tatoan— has fallen by almost. 90. well, the labour leader,— has fallen by almost. 90. well, the labour leader, sir keir stamen— the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has— the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has welcomed the news but starmer, has welcomed the news tat says— starmer, has welcomed the news tat says tne— starmer, has welcomed the news but says the government still meets— but says the government still needs to— but says the government still needs to secure _ but says the government still needs to secure more return agneements— needs to secure more return agreements with— needs to secure more return agreements with other countries. i agreements with other countries. . tttnk— agreements with other countries. t tnmk eyenytoay— agreements with other countries. i think everybody wants- agreements with other countries. i think everybody wants to- agreements with other countries. i think everybody wants to make sure that we stop the boats . we sure that we stop the boats. we don't want people making- we don't want people making that tangenoas— don't want people making that dangerous journey. we all we've neatty— dangerous journey. we all we've neatty nat— dangerous journey. we all we've really had from _ dangerous journey. we all we've really had from the government, monon— really had from the government, tnoagn ts— really had from the government, tnoagn, ts tne— really had from the government, though, is the announcement of a potty— though, is the announcement of a oottoy tnat— though, is the announcement of a policy that doesn't— though, is the announcement of a policy that doesn't work. then the policy that doesn't work. then tne ne— policy that doesn't work. then the re announcement of the same potty— the re announcement of the same policy essentially,— the re announcement of the same policy essentially, and it often teets— policy essentially, and it often teets,|tntnk,— policy essentially, and it often feels,ithink, like— policy essentially, and it often feels, think, like ground hog feels, i think, like ground hog nay.— feels, i think, like ground hog day-meanwhile- feels, i think, like ground hog day. meanwhile that's day. and meanwhile that's oosttng— day. and meanwhile that's oosttng a— day. and meanwhile that's costing a fortune for the taxpaye— costing a fortune for the taxoayen .— costing a fortune for the taxpayer . and- costing a fortune for the taxpayer . and there's costing a fortune for the taxpayer. and there's this growing— taxpayer. and there's this growing sense— taxpayer. and there's this growing sense of frustration. i mean-at— growing sense of frustration. i mean,-at hinkley- growing sense of frustration. i mean, at hinkley point mean, i'm at hinkley point c tene— mean, i'm at hinkley point c nene totay— mean, i'm at hinkley point c nene totay ,— mean, i'm at hinkley point c here today , tastic project. it's here today, tastic project. it's tentnt— here today, tastic project. it's behind schedule.— here today, tastic project. it's behind schedule. and there's a tnastnatton— behind schedule. and there's a frustration here. _ behind schedule. and there's a frustration here. �*ft�*tzge " frustration here. well, in other news today, the metropolita police says conservative mp bob stewart has been charged with two public order offences alleged to have happened in december last year. scotland yard says the 73 year old had

been charged with a racially aggravated offence after an incident in central london. the force has said he will appear at westminster magistrate court in july . thousands of british july. thousands of british airways and boots employees are among those who've had their personal data breached following a cyber attack. ba says their staff were among those hit by the attack on zellis. that's a payroll provider used by hundreds of companies across britain. pharmacy group boots also said the attack had included some of its employees personal details as it includes names, addresses and banking details . the judge hearing details. the judge hearing prince harry's case against mirror group newspapers, says he was surprised the duke didn't attend the high court today. it was previously thought prince harry would attend to give evidence over claims the newspaper articles contained information that were gathered using unlawful methods, but it's now been confirmed. harry will enter the witness box tomorrow

to give that evidence . mirror to give that evidence. mirror group newspapers is contesting the claims. an inquest into the deaths of two young people at a beach in bournemouth found they both died of drowning. 17 year old joe abbas and 12 year old sunak khan were rescued from the sea last wednesday. but both later died in hospital. sunak mum says no parent should ever have to go through what she and her family are experiencing . the her family are experiencing. the foreign secretary has held talks with the president of ukraine, president volodymyr zelenskyy in the capital kyiv. ukraine's president has thanked the uk for their continued support amid the country's counter—offensive to the russian invasion on. the pair discussed russia's possible membership to nato after rishi sunak supported the country joining the organisation in last week . and as you've been week. and as you've been hearing, holly willoughby has returned to the daytime tv show this morning for the first time following co presenter phillip

schofield's exit . opening her schofield's exit. opening her show alongside new this morning, presenter josie show alongside new this morning, presenterjosie gibson . ms presenterjosie gibson. ms willoughby said she felt shaken and troubled and let down by schofield after he'd admitted to an affair with a much younger male work colleague. you, me and all of us at this morning gave our love and support to someone who was not telling the truth , who was not telling the truth, who was not telling the truth, who acted in a way that they themselves felt that they had to resign from itv and step down from a career that they loved. thatis from a career that they loved. that is a lot to process and tt-s— that is a lot to process and ms eoaatty— that is a lot to process and it's equally hard- that is a lot to process and it's equally hard to see the tott— it's equally hard to see the tott tnat— it's equally hard to see the toll that it's— it's equally hard to see the toll that it's taken on their mentat— toll that it's taken on their own mental health. but i think nnat— own mental health. but i think nnat antes— own mental health. but i think what unites us— own mental health. but i think what unites us all— own mental health. but i think what unites us all now is a testne— what unites us all now is a testne to— what unites us all now is a desire to heal— what unites us all now is a desire to heal for the health ant— desire to heal for the health and wellbeing_ desire to heal for the health and wellbeing of everyone in in the and wellbeing of everyone in in me tmttet— and wellbeing of everyone in in the united states. former us vtoe— the united states. former us vice president mike pence will be running for the 2024 republican presidential nomination . karen pence will run nomination. karen pence will run against the former us president and frontrunner. at the moment, donald trump is expected to formally launch his campaign

with a video and a speech on wednesday . full details on that wednesday. full details on that right here. gb news. and lastly, princess eugenie has announced the birth of her second child. it's a baby boy. he's called ernest george. ronnie brooks bank. she posted a photograph on her instagram account earlier on today saying little ronnie was born on the 30th of may. prince eugenie says son august is loving being a big brother already on tv online dab+ radio and the tune in app. this is gb news, britain's news . news, britain's news. channel thanks for that, polly. news, britain's news. channel tisay,s for that, polly. news, britain's news. channel tisay, ifor that, polly. news, britain's news. channel tisay, i love|at, polly. news, britain's news. channel tisay, i love that 'olly. news, britain's news. channel tisay, i love that name. got to say, i love that name. tnnest— got to say, i love that name. tnnest-ot- got to say, i love that name. ernest-of old- ernest i'm a fan of old fashioned— ernest i'm a fan of old fashioned names. you hear fashioned names. you don't hear many— fashioned names. you don't hear manyltnose— fashioned names. you don't hear many-those-days,- fashioned names. you don't hear many those days, do many of those these days, do you?— many of those these days, do you? veny— many of those these days, do you? veny sate.— many of those these days, do you? very cute. congratulations anyway, — you? very cute. congratulations anyway, ._ you? very cute. congratulations anyway, t am— you? very cute. congratulations anyway, i am michelle dewberry and anyway, i am michelle dewberry ant—nont- anyway, i am michelle dewberry and—right through| and i am with you right through till and i am with you right through tttt moo— and i am with you right through till 7:00 tonight. _ and i am with you right through till 7:00 tonight. me, till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the-consultant- till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the consultant alex

the political consultant alex deae— the political consultant alex deane-a— the political consultant alex deane,-a senior- the political consultant alex deane, a senior gb news deane, and a senior gb news nottttoat— deane, and a senior gb news political commentator , nigel political commentator, nigel meson.— political commentator, nigel nelson. what— political commentator, nigel nelson. what a— political commentator, nigel nelson. what a job title . isn't nelson. what a job title. isn't it nelson. what a job title. isn't tt tast— nelson. what a job title. isn't tt tast yeny— nelson. what a job title. isn't it just very important, nelson. what a job title. isn't it just very important , this it just very important, this money?— it just very important, this money? as— it just very important, this money? as ._ it just very important, this money? as i could tell you, you know— money? as i could tell you, you know me — money? as i could tell you, you know the drill,— money? as i could tell you, you know the drill, though. it's not tast— know the drill, though. it's not tast adoat— know the drill, though. it's not tast adoat as— know the drill, though. it's not just about us three. it is you at—koa- just about us three. it is you at—koa neattyi at home as well. you really matten— at home as well. you really matter-this— at home as well. you really matter this programme. love at home as well. you really mahear this programme. love at home as well. you really mahear whats programme. love at home as well. you really mahear what youygramme. love at home as well. you really mahear what you think. 1e. love at home as well. you really mahear what you think. what ove at home as well. you really mahear what you think. what isa to hear what you think. what is on youn— to hear what you think. what is on yoan mtnt— to hear what you think. what is on your mind tonight? gb views at on— on your mind tonight? gb views at on news— on your mind tonight? gb views at gb news .com._ on your mind tonight? gb views at gb news .com. or you can tweet— at gb news .com. or you can tweet-at— at gb news .com. or you can tweet-at en— at gb news .com. or you can tweet-at gb news.- at gb news .com. or you can tweet at gb news. but of tweet me at gb news. but of course -was the - tweet me at gb news. but of course was the day, wasn't course today was the day, wasn't it? course today was the day, wasn't tt? tyenydoty— course today was the day, wasn't it? everybody _ into i it? everybody was etched into youn— it? everybody was etched into your calendars— it? everybody was etched into your calendars .— it? everybody was etched into your calendars . did you have your calendars. did you have a steentess— your calendars. did you have a sleepless night— your calendars. did you have a sleepless night with anticipation ? an am anticipation? an what am i tatktna— anticipation? an what am i talking about?— anticipation? an what am i talking about? of course it nett— talking about? of course it wat, tt-s— talking about? of course it wat, tt-s a— talking about? of course it well, it's a lot— talking about? of course it well, it's a lot to process, tsn-t— well, it's a lot to process, mm d— well, it's a lot to process, tsn-t tt ?— well, it's a lot to process, isn't it 7 and _ well, it's a lot to process, isn't it 7 and i- well, it's a lot to process, isn't it ? and i do hope that you isn't it? and i do hope that you are isn't it? and i do hope that you att— isn't it? and i do hope that you att okay— isn't it? and i do hope that you are all okay because the phillip sonottett— are all okay because the phillip schofield saga,— are all okay because the phillip schofield saga, the ridiculousness continue because the ridiculousness continue because tne pesente— ridiculousness continue because the presenter's former co—host, notty— the presenter's former co—host, holly willoughby,— the presenter's former co—host, holly willoughby, spoke out this morning— holly willoughby, spoke out this morning on— holly willoughby, spoke out this morning on her— holly willoughby, spoke out this morning on her first day back to the morning on her first day back to me sanent— morning on her first day back to me sanent .— morning on her first day back to the surfer. did— morning on her first day back to the surfer. did you— morning on her first day back to the surfer. did you have a ttttte— the surfer. did you have a little listen?— the surfer. did you have a little listen? was you there nttn — little listen? was you there nttn me?— little listen? was you there with me? i've— little listen? was you there with me? i've got to say, it's not— with me? i've got to say, it's not nonmatty— with me? i've got to say, it's not normally my— with me? i've got to say, it's not normally my kind of thing, but not normally my kind of thing, dat .— not normally my kind of thing, dat . ata— not normally my kind of thing, dat . att. .— not normally my kind of thing, but i did. i found— not normally my kind of thing, but i did. i found myself glued to a,— but i did. i found myself glued to a, aotaatty— but i did. i found myself glued to it, actually fascinated a ttttte—oatl to it, actually fascinated a. little—out early little bit of popcorn out early in little bit of popcorn out early tn-momtna-— little bit of popcorn out early in-morning. let's- little bit of popcorn out early in morning. let's have a in the morning. let's have a ttsten— in the morning. let's have a ttsten. — in the morning. let's have a ttsten. kt— in the morning. let's have a listen. it-very- in the morning. let's have a listen. e wig g listen. it feels very strange indeed, sitting without

indeed, sitting here without phil i imagine that you phil at. and i imagine that you might been a lot might have been feeling a lot like have shaken and troubled. like i have shaken and troubled. let down, worried for the well—being of people on all sides of what's been going on and full of questions. you me and full of questions. you me and all of us at this morning gave our love and support to someone who was not telling the truth . give me a break. shaken truth. give me a break. shaken ant— truth. give me a break. shaken and troubled. _ give me a break. shaken and troubled. worried and i annot— and troubled. worried and i annot nem— and troubled. worried and i cannot help but— and troubled. worried and i cannot help but think honestly , cannot help but think honestly, peonte— cannot help but think honestly, people tnat— cannot help but think honestly, people that some— cannot help but think honestly, people that some people just nave— people that some people just nave tnetn— people that some people just have their views— people that some people just have their views of themselves ant— have their views of themselves ant tnetn— have their views of themselves and their earning— have their views of themselves and their earning importance sttgntty— and their earning importance slightly beyond— and their earning importance slightly beyond where they snoatt — slightly beyond where they snoatt de. — slightly beyond where they should be. i'm— slightly beyond where they should be. i'm not shaken nor matted.— should be. i'm not shaken nor tnoadtet. .— should be. i'm not shaken nor troubled. i found— should be. i'm not shaken nor troubled. i found the whole tntna— troubled. i found the whole tntna a— troubled. i found the whole thing a ridiculous circus. i ton-t— thing a ridiculous circus. i don't believe— thing a ridiculous circus. i don't believe a- thing a ridiculous circus. i don't believe a fraction of what gets— don't believe a fraction of what gets sata— don't believe a fraction of what gets said when— don't believe a fraction of what gets said when it— don't believe a fraction of what gets said when it comes to some of gets said when it comes to some ot tnese— gets said when it comes to some of these quarters— gets said when it comes to some of these quarters and some of tne— of these quarters and some of me gotngs— of these quarters and some of me gotngs on— of these quarters and some of the goings on within it. i found so muon— the goings on within it. i found so must ot— the goings on within it. i found so must ot tt— the goings on within it. i found so much of it fake,— the goings on within it. i found so much of it fake, full of nypoonsy. — so much of it fake, full of hypocrisy and _ so much of it fake, full of hypocrisy. and yeah, it didn't wasn— hypocrisy. and yeah, it didn't nasn nttn— hypocrisy. and yeah, it didn't wash with me.— hypocrisy. and yeah, it didn't wash with me. i'm afraid. alex dean— wash with me. i'm afraid. alex dean nnat— wash with me. i'm afraid. alex dean nnatlyoa— wash with me. i'm afraid. alex dean, what-you-to. wash with me. i'm afraid. alex dean, what you to it? dean, what do you make to it? i tntnk— dean, what do you make to it? i tntnk yoe— dean, what do you make to it? i tntnk yon-ve-to— dean, what do you make to it? i think you've to give a sense think you've got to give a sense of think you've got to give a sense ot tan— think you've got to give a sense ot tatn tne— think you've got to give a sense of fair due process— think you've got to give a sense of fair due process and fair play— of fair due process and fair okay to— of fair due process and fair okay to dv— of fair due process and fair play to itv because this is a

sttaatton— play to itv because this is a situation in— play to itv because this is a situation in which at least two of situation in which at least two ot tne— situation in which at least two of the principals— situation in which at least two of the principals on the agreed taots— of the principals on the agreed taots nave— of the principals on the agreed facts have systematically lied adoat— facts have systematically lied adoat nnat— facts have systematically lied about what happened in the past. mat— about what happened in the past. that d— about what happened in the past. that ts to— about what happened in the past. that ts to say— about what happened in the past. that is to say that— about what happened in the past. that is to say that schofield- that is to say that schofield and his lover both on the facts that they present, as we understand them, say that they lied to itv repeatedly. now, if you're a situation like that, you're in a situation like that, the right thing to do , if you do the right thing to do, if you do think there been wrong think there have been wrong goings on and doings and if you think there's been abuse of power forth, is to have power and so forth, is to have an investigation, which is what they've those they've announced, and in those circumstances, to me circumstances, it seems to me for period of time and for a limited period of time and for a limited period of time and for purpose, we for a specific purpose, we should have their should let itv have their investigation casting investigation before casting judgement. nigel well, i think nett— judgement. nigel well, i think ne-tt onodadty— judgement. nigel well, i think we'll probably find— 33 nigel well, i think we'll probably find out from the seteot— we'll probably find out from the select committee— select committee when they aotaatty— select committee when they aotaatty-tne - select committee when they actually -the itv i actually haul all the itv executives— actually haul all the itv executives in— actually haul all the itv executives in front of them. mat-s— executives in front of them. tnat-s-ktnt— executives in front of them. that's-kind of- executives in front of them. that's kind of independent that's the kind of independent tnaatny— that's the kind of independent tnaatny .— that's the kind of independent tnaatny t ant,— that's the kind of independent inquiry i think,-a- that's the kind of independent inquiry i think, a lot of inquiry i think, that a lot of peonte— inquiry i think, that a lot of ww“! nave— inquiry i think, that a lot of people have calling people have been calling for a samnse— people have been calling for a samnse tnat— people have been calling for a surprise that parliament decided people have been calling for a surprisa that parliament decided people have been calling for a surprisa matter rliament decided people have been calling for a surprisa matter forment decided people have been calling for a surprisa matter for them decided people have been calling for a surprisa matter for them .ecided people have been calling for a surprisa matter for them . liketd it was a matter for them. like you,— it was a matter for them. like you, .— it was a matter for them. like you, t maven-t— it was a matter for them. like you, i haven't been shaken or sttnnet— you, i haven't been shaken or sttnnet dy— you, i haven't been shaken or sttnnet dy dy— you, i haven't been shaken or stirred by by the— you, i haven't been shaken or stirred by by the whole thing. mayta— stirred by by the whole thing. nayte tnene-s— stirred by by the whole thing. maybe there's something- stirred by by the whole thing. maybe there's something wrong with us. maybe we should be traumatised as a nation. well, it's a question of

3 well, it's a question of actually nnetnen— it's a question of actually whether you _ it's a question of actually whether you whether you watch this whether you whether you watch tnts morning— whether you whether you watch this morning every morning. i mean-naton- this morning every morning. ii mean,-watch.when mean, i used to watch it when i aooeanet— mean, i used to watch it when i aooeanetltt— mean, i used to watch it when i aooeanetltt yeas— mean, i used to watch it when i appeared it years ago, but appeared on it years ago, but i maven-t— appeared on it years ago, but i naven-t tone— appeared on it years ago, but i haven't done since. i've been natontng— haven't done since. i've been natontng tt— haven't done since. i've been natontng t a— haven't done since. i've been watching it a bit— haven't done since. i've been watching it a bit actually since ttts— watching it a bit actually since tnts. .— watching it a bit actually since tnts. . mean— watching it a bit actually since this. i mean, viewer this. i mean, their viewer tonnes— this. i mean, their viewer figures have— this. i mean, their viewer figures have up on the figures have gone up on the dasts— figures have gone up on the dasts-dat- figures have gone up on the basis-but-whole basis of that, but the whole ktnt— basis of that, but the whole ktnt ot— basis of that, but the whole kind of drama— basis of that, but the whole kind of drama seems a bit like son— kind of drama seems a bit like sont ot— kind of drama seems a bit like sont ot tne— kind of drama seems a bit like sort of the morning show with notty— sort of the morning show with holly willoughby playing the jennifer— holly willoughby playing the tenntten—anyi jennifer aniston role. so any seot— jennifer aniston role. so any second-could- jennifer aniston role. so any second -could be. second now, she could be oventaken— second now, she could be oventakenla— second now, she could be overtaken a rival star. kinky overtaken by a rival star. now, you— overtaken by a rival star. now, you see— overtaken by a rival star. now, you t-m— overtaken by a rival star. now, you see, i'm quite— overtaken by a rival star. now, you see, i'm quite new to this media tv game, and i've got to say that quite a lot of it is quite kind of hypocritical. well, a little bit too fast . and well, a little bit too fast. and i don't think we've seen the end of all this. but shall we move on to more important matters? i think sunak, prime think rishi sunak, our prime minister did you hear that he was making a speech this morning saying basically his saying that basically his migration when it migration policies, when it comes to small boats, are working . nothing like taking working. nothing like taking credit and having the confidence in what you're trying to achieve . however, though, many people are least, by are pointing out, not least, by the our own nigel farage, the way, our own nigel farage, that indeed, small boat that yes, indeed, small boat crossings have reduced. but you

might noticed it has been might have noticed it has been full deep, heavy wind full of deep, heavy wind recently. so what do you reckon ? are his policies working or is this just a load of hot air? alex well, some of the short term impact may be down to the weather. no doubt about it. but the weather. no doubt about it. but tne otnen— weather. no doubt about it. but tne otnen tntng— weather. no doubt about it. but the other thing that's— the other thing that's undeniable- the other thing that's undeniable in my view is that his undeniable in my view is that nts donates— undeniable in my view is that his policies have— undeniable in my view is that his policies have realised success-least- his policies have realised success least one quarter, success in at least one quarter, nnton— success in at least one quarter, that ts— success in at least one quarter, that ts tne— success in at least one quarter, which is the number of albanians coming— which is the number of albanians somtng dy— which is the number of albanians somtng dy smatt— which is the number of albanians coming by small boat has dramatically— coming by small boat has dramatically reduced . the dramatically reduced. the ameds— dramatically reduced. the numbers overall are bad this yea.— numbers overall are bad this yean. tney-ve— numbers overall are bad this year. they've been there , year. they've been there, tney-ne— year. they've been there, tney-ne dat— year. they've been there, they're bad and they've been getttng— they're bad and they've been aetttng — they're bad and they've been getting worse. and in to getting worse. and in order to neatty— getting worse. and in order to neatty judge— getting worse. and in order to really judge whether these donates— really judge whether these tonnes-tome- really judge whether these policies going work , you policies are going to work, you meet— policies are going to work, you meet-tne— policies are going to work, you need-the money.- policies are going to work, you need the money. he's need to spend the money. he's deen— need to spend the money. he's deen tatktng— need to spend the money. he's been talking about in his speech today.— been talking about in his speech totay. koa— been talking about in his speech today. you need— been talking about in his speech today. you need to— been talking about in his speech today. you need to really beef up today. you need to really beef an-tonoe. — today. you need to really beef up-force. .need- today. you need to really beef up -force. - need to i today. you need to really beef. up-force. .need to put up border force. you need to put more money immigration more money into our immigration sentoes— more money into our immigration services responsible services that are responsible for services that are responsible ton—nnoseooo- for seeking out prosecco stoottne— for seeking out prosecco shooting. and- for seeking out prosecco shooting. and then if found not to nave— shooting. and then if found not to nave a— shooting. and then if found not to have a legitimate asylum stam— to have a legitimate asylum otatm on— to have a legitimate asylum claim or refugee— to have a legitimate asylum claim or refugee claim, tepontng— claim or refugee claim, deporting those people who are in deporting those people who are tn oa— deporting those people who are tn ooantny— deporting those people who are tn ooantny .— deporting those people who are in our country , that's when the in our country, that's when the nameds— in our country, that's when the nameds nttt— in our country, that's when the numbers will really go down. for tne— numbers will really go down. for me most— numbers will really go down. for me, the most significant stattstto— me, the most significant statistic here _ me, the most significant statistic here isn't actually tne— statistic here isn't actually tne namedn— statistic here isn't actually the number of— statistic here isn't actually the number of people who come

tne— the number of people who come across the channel— the number of people who come across the channel in the short tenm. — across the channel in the short tenm. tt-s— across the channel in the short tenm. tt-s tne— across the channel in the short term. it's the speed with which we term. it's the speed with which ne—nttnoat- term. it's the speed with which we _without lawfuli we send those without lawful otatms—onoel claims back. because once you stan— claims back. because once you stan doing— claims back. because once you start doing that,— claims back. because once you start doing that, people who are nttttng— start doing that, people who are mung-tnese— willing to pay these vast netnonks— willing to pay these vast networks criminality and networks of criminality and oeonte— networks of criminality and oeopte—takel networks of criminality and- people _take them people smugglers to take them across _ before - people smugglers to take them across _ before they i across a continent before they try across a continent before they tny-oome— across a continent before they tny-oome aoss- across a continent before they try come across one of try and come across one of tanone-s— try and come across one of europe's busiest- europe's busiest bodies of ate— europe's busiest bodies of naten-tney- europe's busiest bodies of water, they that water, once they get that message, you message, message that if you maven-t— message, message that if you naven-t got— message, message that if you haven't gotlreal_ message, message that if you haven't got real claim, you're message, message that if you havento;ot real claim, you're message, message that if you havento go real claim, you're message, message that if you havento go back, claim, you're message, message that if you havento go back, they'll you're message, message that if you havento go back, they'll stopre going to go back, they'll stop oomtne — going to go back, they'll stop coming- teat.— going to go back, they'll stop coming. yeah, he- going to go back, they'll stop coming. / coming. yeah, he said. we've gone from accepting around 1 in 5 albanian cases now 5 albanian asylum cases to now just 50 says that is in just 1 in 50 says that is in line with our european partners. nigel think we've become nigel i think we've become a laughing stock this country . laughing stock in this country. you situations you know, you've got situations now where we're discussing it on my programme friday my programme on friday where you've people apparently, you've got people apparently, you've got people apparently, you know , desperately trying to you know, desperately trying to protect their own safety whilst simultaneous actually sitting in this country having received a welcome and money and support and all the rest of it sitting there picking and choosing. i don't want that bedroom. i don't want to share a room with him and the rest of it. i do. and all the rest of it. i do. i think it's gone beyond a joke now, and i'm not sure that rishi sunak celebrating this tiny

little win is anything to be celebrated i think celebrated right now. i think the to go, the length of the the way to go, the length of the road we've got to walk is incredibly vast. no, i think nigel— incredibly vast. no, i think ntget tanaae— incredibly vast. no, i think nigel farage is— 33 no, i think nigel farage is right. it's the neatnen— nigel farage is right. it's the weather that _ nigel farage is right. it's the weather that people weather that stopped people coming— weather that stopped people somtng-tet-s- weather that stopped people coming let's see weather that stopped people coming-let's see we coming over. let's see where we ane—nnenl are. come august. and when tntnas—meanl are. come august. and when. things—mean, the things are calmer. i mean, the knot— things are calmer. i mean, the ktntltntngs— things are calmer. i mean, the kind .things that— things are calmer. i mean, the kind things that rishi sunak kind of things that rishi sunak was kind of things that rishi sunaki was_ a success, was hailing today as a success, we getttna— was hailing today as a success, we were getting down the backlog of we were getting down the backlog ot-seekens. — we were getting down the backlog ot-seekens. .got- we were getting down the backlog of-seekers. -got it- of asylum seekers. he's got it tonn— of asylum seekers. he's got it town-t— of asylum seekers. he's got it tonnlt tn— of asylum seekers. he's got it tonnlt tn to.— of asylum seekers. he's got it down-1 in 10. i— of asylum seekers. he's got it down 1 in 10. i mean, 17,000 down by 1 in 10. i mean, 17,000 somts— down by 1 in 10. i mean, 17,000 soants ttke— down by 1 in 10. i mean, 17,000 soants ttke a— down by 1 in 10. i mean, 17,000 sounds like a good— down by 1 in 10. i mean, 17,000 sounds like a good figure, but men— sounds like a good figure, but tnene ane— sounds like a good figure, but there are 175,000.— sounds like a good figure, but there are 175,000. they've still got— there are 175,000. they've still got to— there are 175,000. they've still got to poess— there are 175,000. they've still got to process. he's right . i got to process. he's right. i tntnk— got to process. he's right. i tntnk atek— got to process. he's right. i think alex made- got to process. he's right. i think alex made a good point adoat— think alex made a good point adoat tne— think alex made a good point about the albanians that what tnat— about the albanians that what tnat toes— about the albanians that what that does look— about the albanians that what that does look as— about the albanians that what that does look as if the fact got— that does look as if the fact got a— that does look as if the fact we've got a return to deal with atdanta— we've got a return to deal with atdanta nas— we've got a return to deal with albania has made— we've got a return to deal with albania has made a difference in anten— albania has made a difference in nnton ase— albania has made a difference in nnton any— albania has made a difference in which case, why is— albania has made a difference in which case, why is rishi sunak not no— which case, why is rishi sunak not now redoubling his effort to get tne— not now redoubling his effort to get the returns— not now redoubling his effort to get the returns agreements with tanonean— get the returns agreements with european countries which we lost tnnoagn— european countries which we lost through brexit? _ european countries which we lost through brexit? do— european countries which we lost through brexit? jtzzt through brexit? do you think we should have any instance at all where any asylum claim is even remotely considered from any country which is not a kind of serious war or serious decline or whatever. so relatively safe

country, blanket rule zero asylum claims process? well, i mean , any way asylum claims process? well, i , any way yoa— asylum claims process? well, i mean , any way you can- {we 37 well, i mean , any way you can actually mean, any way you can actually make— mean, any way you can actually make a— mean, any way you can actually make a otatm — mean, any way you can actually make a claim for— mean, any way you can actually make a claim for an asylum is if you— make a claim for an asylum is if yoa oan-t— make a claim for an asylum is if yoa cant go— make a claim for an asylum is if you can't go back— make a claim for an asylum is if you can't go back to— make a claim for an asylum is if you can't go back to your to yoan— you can't go back to your to yoan nome— you can't go back to your to your home country. so it's ttkety— your home country. so it's ttkety to— your home country. so it's ttkety to de— your home country. so it's likely to be war, famine, you're detng— likely to be war, famine, you're being persecuted— likely to be war, famine, you're being persecuted or whatever . being persecuted or whatever. ant— being persecuted or whatever. ant tnat-s— being persecuted or whatever. and that's the _ being persecuted or whatever. and that's the whole point about adoat— and that's the whole point about adoat tnem— and that's the whole point about about them -over- and that's the whole point about about them over here to about them coming over here to aotaatty— about them coming over here to aotaatty prove— about them coming over here to actually prove that— about them coming over here to actually prove that they are genatne— actually prove that they are genuine asylum seekers. every netagee— genuine asylum seekers. every netagee stats— genuine asylum seekers. every refugee starts out— genuine asylum seekers. every refugee starts out as an asylum seeken— refugee starts out as an asylum seeken .— refugee starts out as an asylum seeken . tot— refugee starts out as an asylum seeker . not every— refugee starts out as an asylum seeker . not every asylum seeker seeker. not every asylum seeker tanns— seeker. not every asylum seeker tanns oat— seeker. not every asylum seeker tanns oat to— seeker. not every asylum seeker turns out to be— seeker. not every asylum seeker turns out to be a— seeker. not every asylum seeker turns out to be a refugee. what we meet— turns out to be a refugee. what we meet to— turns out to be a refugee. what we meet to to— turns out to be a refugee. what we need to do more than anything etse— we need to do more than anything etse ts— we need to do more than anything etse ts snange— we need to do more than anything else is change the— we need to do more than anything else is change the system where tney— else is change the system where tney nave— else is change the system where tney nave to— else is change the system where tney nave to de— else is change the system where they have to be physically. in dntatn— they have to be physically. in dnttatn to— they have to be physically. in britain to claim _ they have to be physically. in britain to claim asylum. that noatt— britain to claim asylum. that noatt de— britain to claim asylum. that would be the— britain to claim asylum. that would be the best way of stoggtng. — would be the best way of stopping- so_ would be the best way of stopping. so you would have a system— stopping. so you would have a system on— stopping. so you would have a system on a— stopping. so you would have a system or a ten— stopping. so you would have a system or a ten or— stopping. so you would have a system or a ten or a body or nnateven— system or a ten or a body or nnateven tt— system or a ten or a body or whatever it is— system or a ten or a body or whatever it is in— system or a ten or a body or whatever it is in calais doing ot— whatever it is in calais doing ot tnts— whatever it is in calais doing some of this process. well it toesn-t— some of this process. well it doesn't matter— some of this process. well it doesn't matter where is. doesn't matter where it is. i mean,-either- doesn't matter where it is. i mean,-either do. mean, you could either do it tnnoagn— mean, you could either do it through—refugeej through the through refugee amps— through the through refugee camps-tntn- through the through refugee camps, with syrian camps, as we did with syrian syntan— camps, as we did with syrian syrian refugees. _ camps, as we did with syrian syrian refugees. as you process tnem — syrian refugees. as you process men -on— syrian refugees. as you process men -on m— syrian refugees. as you process them or if embassies and them there or if embassies and oonsatates— them there or if embassies and consulates were— them there or if embassies and consulates were able to cope nttn— consulates were able to cope nttn tnose— consulates were able to cope with those processing. but ettnen— with those processing. but ettnen nay,— with those processing. but either way, you - with those processing. but either way, you process offshore . -tnmk. — either way, you process offshore . -think, alex,- either way, you process offshore . -think, alex, if- either way, you process offshore. . -think, alex, if someone . do you think, alex, if someone is sitting outside of a hotel, a central london hotel,

nonetheless sitting there saying, i don't want to stay there , i don't to be x there, i don't want to be x amount in a room, i don't want to in this bedroom. to be in this size bedroom. i want this i want that. do want this and i want that. do you think you be allowed you think you should be allowed to pick and choose? i generally don't. ido. to pick and choose? i generally don't. i do. i'm going to sound ttke— don't. i do. i'm going to sound ttkeldeattng— don't. i do. i'm going to sound likelbeating heart.- don't. i do. i'm going to sound likelbeating heart. i- 3t:t g i do. i'm going to sound like beating heart. i do like a beating heart. i do neattse— like a beating heart. i do realise-there- like a beating heart. i do realise there are certain realise that there are certain etements— realise that there are certain elements-ethnic- realise that there are certain elements ethnic strife elements of ethnic strife amongst— elements of ethnic strife amongst people who come and amongst people who come here and stam— amongst people who come here and otatm asytam— amongst people who come here and claim asylum refugee claim asylum and refugee status. and claim asylum and refugee status. ant-nat— claim asylum and refugee status. ant-mat to— claim asylum and refugee status. and-had to people- claim asylum and refugee status. and had to people in and if you had to people in a stngte— and if you had to people in a stngte oom— and if you had to people in a single room on— and if you had to people in a single room on beds, one single room on bunk beds, one adove—nno- single room on bunk beds, onei adove—nno above and one below who came nom— above and one below who came tom-states— above and one below who came tnom-sttes ot- above and one below who came from -sides of an - above and one below who came from sides of an ethnic from opposite sides of an ethnic tatte— from opposite sides of an ethnic ttvtte tnat— from opposite sides of an ethnic divide that-led— from opposite sides of an ethnic divide that-led to- divide that had led to a tenntdte— divide that had led to a terrible civil— divide that had led to a terrible civil war, i can see why— terrible civil war, i can see any-mtgnt— terrible civil war, i can see any-mtgnt-de- terrible civil war, i can see- why-might-be advisable, why that might not be advisable, but why that might not be advisable, dat genenatty— why that might not be advisable, but generally speaking, no, you snoattn-t— but generally speaking, no, you shouldn't—and. shouldn't be able to pick and noose— shouldn't be able to pick and moose-demy- shouldn't be able to pick and choose.-plenty of- shouldn't be able to pick and choose. plenty of people choose. i know plenty of people too-ven— choose. i know plenty of people who've backpacking who've been backpacking and stayed— who've been backpacking and stayed-to— who've been backpacking and stayet-to-on- who've been backpacking and| stayed .to -or more who've been backpacking and. stayed-to-or more in stayed four to a room or more in notes— stayed four to a room or more in notes ton— stayed four to a room or more in hotels for lengthy— stayed four to a room or more in hotels for lengthy periods of ttme. — hotels for lengthy periods of ttme. .notnt— hotels for lengthy periods of time.-point is,- hotels for lengthy periods of time.-point is, if- hotels for lengthy periods of time. point is, if you don't time. the point is, if you don't want— time. the point is, if you don't want-stay— time. the point is, if you don't nantlstay tn— time. the point is, if you don't want-stay inlhotel- time. the point is, if you don't want stay in hotel like want to stay in a hotel like mat— want to stay in a hotel like mat-tonn— want to stay in a hotel like that,-down to - want to stay in a hotel like that,-down to a- want to stay in a hotel like that, down to a preference. that, it's down to a preference. in that, it's down to a preference. tn tne— that, it's down to a preference. tn tne ene— that, it's down to a preference. tn me an, yoa— that, it's down to a preference. in the end, you don't like it veny— in the end, you don't like it yeny maon— in the end, you don't like it very much, but— in the end, you don't like it very much, but we are told that the very much, but we are told that tne—seektng- very much, but we are told that the—seeking their. the individuals seeking their asytam— the individuals seeking their asylum-refugee. the individuals seeking their asylum refugee status asylum status or refugee status tene— asylum status or refugee status nene ane— asylum status or refugee status here are desperate— asylum status or refugee status here are desperate their here are desperate for their toes. — here are desperate for their- ttves—appatttng lives. they have fled appalling, tenntdte— lives. they have fled appalling, terrible -well,- lives. they have fled appalling, terrible -well, if- lives. they have fled appalling, terrible well, if that lives. they have fled appalling, te the e well, if that lives. they have fled appalling, te the case, well, if that lives. they have fled appalling, te the case, wellthe :hat is the case, if that's the ata— is the case, if that's the ata ot— is the case, if that's the nature of these is the case, if that's the. nature of these -you nature of these claims, you noattn-t— nature of these claims, you wouldn't mind— nature of these claims, you wouldn't mind being on a bunk

det. — wouldn't mind being on a bunk det. .see— wouldn't mind being on a bunk det. .see t— wouldn't mind being on a bunk bed. .see, i don't- wouldn't mind being on a bunk bed. .see, i don't know. wouldn't mind being on a bunk bed. t3tz" g �*" bed. you see, i don't know if i'm getting harsh in my old age, but it just i don't believe a lot of the tales that i'm told. i there i think first i sit there and i think first and foremost, if i was going to be persecuted or my life was in dangen be persecuted or my life was in danger, first thing danger, the very first thing i would is gather my family. so would do is gather my family. so my child, my partner, maybe if he's annoying that he's not being annoying that day, my love, my day, i'd gather my love, my loved and i would get us loved ones and i would get us collectively safety. collectively to safety. i wouldn't leave my loved ones behind. 0.1 so find very wouldn't leave my loved ones behithat).1 so find very wouldn't leave my loved ones behithat everyoneid very wouldn't leave my loved ones behithat everyone seems ry wouldn't leave my loved ones behithat everyone seemsry come. odd that everyone seems to come. would bring your child over would you bring your child over on a doat— would you bring your child over on a boat though?— would you bring your child over on a boat though? on a small ttngny— on a boat though? on a small ttngny tnat-s— on a boat though? on a small dinghy that's little better dinghy that's a little better man— dinghy that's a little better than paddling? dinghy that's a little better. than-paddling?-no, than than a paddling? no, no, i noatt— than than a paddling? no, no, i moat-ana— than than a paddling? no, no, i would-and actually- than than a paddling? no, no, i would-and actually i- than than a paddling? no, no, i would ' t3 3 ll would not. and actually i will never until dying days forget never until my dying days forget the image of and i hope i don't get the name wrong. i think it was aylan kurdi. that's was called aylan kurdi. that's right. was on a right. a little boy who was on a turkish ba.2. yeah, the turkish ba.2. yeah, he was the same age as what my little boy is now. never forget that is now. i'll never forget that image ever. but i don't mean to sound harsh. i really don't. that safe. they were that family was safe. they were out of their environment. out of their home environment. there in a safe place. there was in a safe place. and if safety is your priority, then there was in a safe place. and if safetyearth ur priority, then there was in a safe place. and if safetyearth would rity, then there was in a safe place. and if safetyearth would you then there was in a safe place. and if safetyearth would you puti there was in a safe place. and

if safetyearth would you put your why on earth would you put your toddler or your child in a boat? there's no reason from a safety perspective, there's no reason. no, but but it is desperation. ant— no, but but it is desperation. ant t— no, but but it is desperation. ant t tntnk— no, but but it is desperation. and i think that— no, but but it is desperation. and i think that that's what one has and i think that that's what one nas to— and i think that that's what one has to appreciate.— and i think that that's what one has to appreciate. but desperate for has to appreciate. but desperate ton nnat? — has to appreciate. but desperate for what? because— has to appreciate. but desperate for what? 3 ”cl has to appreciate. but desperate for what? 3 3 for what? because you're already safe. well, you're not. for what? 3 3 well, you're not. well, safe. well, you're not. well, yoa— safe. well, you're not. well, yoa not— safe. well, you're not. well, you're not really— well, you're not. well, you're not really safe. i mean, if you're not really safe. i mean, tt tney-t— you're not really safe. i mean, if they'd applied— you're not really safe. i mean, if they'd applied for asylum in name— if they'd applied for asylum in france,-that's_ if they'd applied for asylum in france,-that's-andl france, then that's fine. and tnat-s— france, then that's fine. and that's-returns- that's what the returns agneement— that's what the returns agreement done by the agreement would have done by the way.— agreement would have done by the way. tney— agreement would have done by the way. they wouldn't— agreement would have done by the way. they wouldn't have been atte— way. they wouldn't have been attelagnty— way. they wouldn't have been able apply asylum. able to apply for asylum. but tney— able to apply for asylum. but tney-tats— able to apply for asylum. but they-this primary- able to apply for asylum. but they this primary if they asked in this primary if their concern is safety, their primary concern is safety, then you've you've ticked that box they're the box by the time they're on the north france, they're north coast of france, they're not desperate. well, if they're ttvtng— not desperate. well, if they're dang-tent— not desperate. well, if they're living .tent in _ not desperate. well, if they're living .tent in -they| living in a tent in calais, they gnodadty— living in a tent in calais, they gnodadty ae— living in a tent in calais, they probably are. they're a probably are. so they're in a sate— probably are. so they're in a sate- — probably are. so they're in a sate- tney- probably are. so they're in a. safe- they-apply probably are. so they're in a- safe- they-apply for safe country. they can apply for asylum there. well, they could apply— asylum there. well, they could aggty ton— asylum there. well, they could apply for asylum _ ”tt:3;:3; well, they could apply for asylum there. stifti well, they could apply for asylum there. in fact, tney— apply for asylum there. in fact, tney noatt— apply for asylum there. in fact, they would have— apply for asylum there. in fact, they would have they would have aotaatty— they would have they would have aotaatty passed— they would have they would have actually passed through through if actually passed through throughi tt—somennene actually passed through through if middle somewhere actually passed through through if middle sonwoulde in the middle east, they would nave—antati in the middle east, they would. have—awful lot have passed through an awful lot of have passed through an awful lot ot-ooantntes— have passed through an awful lot of-countries before- of safe countries before they'd aotaatty— of safe countries before they'd aotaatty got— of safe countries before they'd actually got-got— of safe countries before they'd actually got got calais to actually got to got to calais to come here. the— actually got to got to calais to come here. the draw here, othoasty— come here. the draw here, obviously, is— come here. the draw here, obviously, is the- come here. the draw here, obviously, is the language. a lot obviously, is the language. a totltnem— obviously, is the language. a lotlthem speak- obviously, is the language. a lot them speak english lot of them speak english and tney—on- they may have friends or netattves— they may have friends or relatives that's relatives here. that's preference. - relatives here. that's preference. relatives here. that's- preference. that's nothing to do with desperate. i take the with being desperate. i take the point safety thing,

point about the safety thing, and that's why, again, that the returns agreement is so important that once you've registered when we registered in a country when we when in the eu, what when we were in the eu, what would happen is if they came here, we could send them straight to country straight back to that country where they'd registered where they'd already registered people, people for people, people who come for language and families and so forth. can well understand forth. one can well understand it. lviv. i want it. one might want lviv. i want to in the united kingdom. to live in the united kingdom. it's wonderful be. it's a wonderful place to be. but the they're but in the end, they're expressing a preference because they're coming economic or they're coming for economic or cultural reasons. it's not about asylum refugee status. cultural reasons. it's not about asy|jurisdictions refugee status. cultural reasons. it's not about asy|jurisdictions shopping?tatus. are jurisdictions shopping? i can understand it, but it shouldn't no, but shouldn't be allowed. no, but i mean, it's not really— mean, it's not really necessarily- mean, it's not really necessarily a french problem or a eenman— necessarily a french problem or a german problem— necessarily a french problem or a german problem whatever . a german problem or whatever. it's a german problem or whatever. tt-s-nnthems.- a german problem or whatever. it's-problems. i- a german problem or whatever. it's problems. i mean , it's all our problems. i mean, tnese— it's all our problems. i mean, tnese-deonte— it's all our problems. i mean, these-people if- it's all our problems. i mean, these people if you accept these are people if you accept these are people if you accept tne-ne— these are people if you accept tne-ne-del the fact that we should be tooktng— the fact that we should be looking after— the fact that we should be looking after genuine asylum seekens— looking after genuine asylum seekens , ts— looking after genuine asylum seekers , is it— looking after genuine asylum seekers , is it means that every seekers, is it means that every ooantny— seekers, is it means that every ooantty mast— seekers, is it means that every country must play— seekers, is it means that every country must play its part in totng— country must play its part in totng tnat. — country must play its part in doing that. so— country must play its part in doing that. so the idea that tney-ye — doing that. so the idea that tney-ye got— doing that. so the idea that tney-ye got to— doing that. so the idea that they've got to france, therefore tney— they've got to france, therefore tney mastn-t— they've got to france, therefore they mustn't cross— they've got to france, therefore they mustn't cross to britain to— they mustn't cross to britain to de— they mustn't cross to britain seems to be abdicating our responsibilities— seems to be abdicating our responsibilities by just leaving tnem— responsibilities by just leaving tnem tn— responsibilities by just leaving them in france.— responsibilities by just leaving them in france. _ responsibilities by just leaving them in france. e responsibilities by just leaving them in france. it's not abdicating responsibility. it's just facing up to the reality that as soon as someone's safe, if then continue choose

if they then continue to choose to continue journey to continue their journey onward, kind of onward, then you've kind of you've come out of that threshold for. right. i'm desperate life now. and desperate for my life now. and now are selecting your own. now you are selecting your own. you'll never convince me, i'm afraid, i don't afraid, nigel, because i don't know. trying, though. know. i'll keep trying, though. yeah, it doesn't would yeah, but it doesn't you would not. i know. i'll you not. i don't know. i'll ask you at home. know what at home. you guys know what you're about. would you you're talking about. would you ever leave children, your ever leave your children, your wife, if genuinely wife, your family, if genuinely , thought that , genuinely you thought that they were at risk of persecution and torture and things like that? i would not ever in a month of sundays, i suspect i might not be alone. get in touch and let me know your thoughts on that one. and look, if i came up to you and said, let me give you £600 a month, there's no catch , £600 a month, there's no catch, no nothing at all, you can do whatever you want. sit on your backside all day long. would you think that that would be a good idea?i think that that would be a good idea? i suspect the answer would be yes. but what about the long term impact on that? wouldn't it just breed a nation of lazy? so and so dependent suckling on and so dependent on suckling on the teat? what good the government's teat? what good is anyone? we'll get is that for anyone? we'll get into that

radio. hello there. i'm michelle dentenny— radio. hello there. i'm michelle dendenny. t-m— radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with— radio. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you- 35w: i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you right tnnoagn— dewberry. i'm with you right tnnoagn tttt— dewberry. i'm with you right through till 7:00 alongside me, the through till 7:00 alongside me, me oottttoat— through till 7:00 alongside me, the political consultant alex dean — the political consultant alex dean ant— the political consultant alex dean and the— the political consultant alex dean and the senior political correspondent— dean and the senior political correspondent at— dean and the senior political correspondent at gb news, nigel meson.— correspondent at gb news, nigel netson. canot— correspondent at gb news, nigel nelson. carol says— correspondent at gb news, nigel nelson. carol says sunak has tone— nelson. carol says sunak has done absolutely— nelson. carol says sunak has done absolutely nothing when it to— done absolutely nothing when it comes to immigration. michel she says— comes to immigration. michel she says tt-s— comes to immigration. michel she says it's pathetic. _ comes to immigration. michel she says it's pathetic. we've only got— says it's pathetic. we've only got two— says it's pathetic. we've only got two hotels— says it's pathetic. we've only got two hotels in— says it's pathetic. we've only got two hotels in our town and tney-ve— got two hotels in our town and they've basically— got two hotels in our town and they've basically been commandeered now, she says. for mtgnants— commandeered now, she says. for mtgnants, peogte— commandeered now, she says. for migrants, people who have had met— migrants, people who have had their weddings— migrants, people who have had their weddings cancelled and men— their weddings cancelled and their events— their weddings cancelled and their events and _ their weddings cancelled and their events and all the rest of it, their events and all the rest of g, canot— their events and all the rest of g, canot says— their events and all the rest of it, carol says that— their events and all the rest of it, carol says that sunak should be it, carol says that sunak should de saoket— it, carol says that sunak should be sacked over— it, carol says that sunak should be sacked over it— it, carol says that sunak should be sacked over it all. do you agnee— be sacked over it all. do you agnee on— be sacked over it all. do you agnee on not?— be sacked over it all. do you agree or not? yes— be sacked over it all. do you agree or not? yes john says sanak— agree or not? yes john says sanak ts— agree or not? yes john says sunak is full— agree or not? yes john says sunak is full of— agree or not? yes john says sunak is full of fresh of hot tne— sunak is full of fresh of hot air. the amount— sunak is full of fresh of hot air. the amount is breathing out is air. the amount is breathing out ts enoagn— air. the amount is breathing out ts enoagn to— air. the amount is breathing out is enough to inhale all the ttngntes— is enough to inhale all the ttngntes ne— is enough to inhale all the dinghies, he says . as you're not dinghies, he says. as you're not navtng— dinghies, he says. as you're not navtng mast— dinghies, he says. as you're not having much sympathy with this sttaatton— having much sympathy with this situation, you're _ having much sympathy with this situation, you're not having mast— situation, you're not having maon ktnt— situation, you're not having much kind of— situation, you're not having much kind of truck with rishi sanak— much kind of truck with rishi sanak saytng— much kind of truck with rishi sunak saying that he has reduced the sunak saying that he has reduced tne o.nossmsg— sunak saying that he has reduced the crossings. as— sunak saying that he has reduced the crossings. as to _ sunak saying that he has reduced the crossings. as to whether or not— the crossings. as to whether or not tt-s— the crossings. as to whether or not tt-s to — the crossings. as to whether or not tt-s to to— the crossings. as to whether or not it's to do with— the crossings. as to whether or not it's to do with him or the

nnetnen— not it's to do with him or the whether time— not it's to do with him or the whether time shall tell. don't tonget— whether time shall tell. don't tonget ot— whether time shall tell. don't forget of course,— whether time shall tell. don't forget of course, raaf scampton saetta — forget of course, raaf scampton saetta nttt— forget of course, raaf scampton suella will be _ forget of course, raaf scampton suella will be filling up with tnese— suella will be filling up with tnese geogte— suella will be filling up with tnese geogte .— suella will be filling up with these people . i— suella will be filling up with these people . i personally think these people. i personally think tnat— these people. i personally think tnat tnat— these people. i personally think ma ma ts— these people. i personally think that that is a— these people. i personally think that that is a disaster waiting to happen-— that that is a disaster waiting to naggen. ttme— that that is a disaster waiting to happen. time again will tell on ma— to happen. time again will tell on ma one— to happen. time again will tell on that one, but— to happen. time again will tell on that one, but get this everyone, a recent poll has saggestet— everyone, a recent poll has suggested that— everyone, a recent poll has suggested that two thirds of dntts— suggested that two thirds of dntts to— suggested that two thirds of dntts to not— suggested that two thirds of brits do not think that so—called_ brits do not think that so—called trans women should be attonet— so—called trans women should be attonet tn— so—called trans women should be allowed in female— so—called trans women should be allowed in female only space toe — allowed in female only space toe tnts— allowed in female only space forces. this is— allowed in female only space forces. this is a— allowed in female only space forces. this is a bit of a massive issue. - forces. this is a bit of a massive issue. i personally such attvtstve— massive issue. i personally such a divisive issue— massive issue. i personally such a divisive issue because i know tnat— a divisive issue because i know tnat some— a divisive issue because i know that some people's eyes will go, oh that some people's eyes will go, on ooe— that some people's eyes will go, on ooe tnans— that some people's eyes will go, oh god, trans thing again. i gensonatty— oh god, trans thing again. i personally think this is such an tmnontant— personally think this is such an important issue— personally think this is such an important issue because it is atteottng— important issue because it is atteottng so— important issue because it is affecting so much. now, whether it's syllabuses_ affecting so much. now, whether it's syllabuses ,_ affecting so much. now, whether it's syllabuses , school, the it's syllabuses, school, the etaoatton— it's syllabuses, school, the education that— it's syllabuses, school, the education that children are getttng— education that children are getting, t— education that children are getting, i think— education that children are getting, i think it's been normalised— getting, i think it's been normalised as- getting, i think it's been normalised as this whole notion tnat— normalised as this whole notion mat a— normalised as this whole notion mat a ma— normalised as this whole notion mat a ktt an— normalised as this whole notion that a kid can just— normalised as this whole notion that a kid can just be a boy and men— that a kid can just be a boy and men teete— that a kid can just be a boy and then decide tomorrow that he's a girl then decide tomorrow that he's a gtnt ant— then decide tomorrow that he's a gtnt ant ott— then decide tomorrow that he's a gtnt ant om yoa— then decide tomorrow that he's a girl and off you go— then decide tomorrow that he's a girl and off you go and into sangeny— girl and off you go and into sangeny, yoa— girl and off you go and into sangeny, yoa go,— girl and off you go and into surgery, you go, young man, and tnene-s— surgery, you go, young man, and tnene-s a— surgery, you go, young man, and there's a conveyor— surgery, you go, young man, and there's a conveyor belt. it tnoadtes— there's a conveyor belt. it troubles me.— there's a conveyor belt. it troubles me. no end. where do you— troubles me. no end. where do yoa-on— troubles me. no end. where do yoa-on-atek?- troubles me. no end. where do yoa-on-atek? - troubles me. no end. where do you-on-alex? i- troubles me. no end. where do. you-on-alex? i think you stand on this, alex? i think yoa-ne— you stand on this, alex? i think yoa-no ntgtt— you stand on this, alex? i think you're right. and i admire your perseverance on it because i think there's a very small think that there's a very small group in society, but group of people in society, but very and quite influential

very vocal and quite influential onune very vocal and quite influential online have online, at least, who have completely the diametrically opposite and opposite view to you and vociferously anyone they vociferously pursue anyone they see as being they would hate against. they regard me as against. they would regard me as against. they would regard me as a-ant— against. they would regard me as a-ant on— against. they would regard me as a-and or whatever.— e�*j73t?�* they would regard me as a and or whatever. correct. a terf and or whatever. correct. ant— a terf and or whatever. correct. ant-mat— a terf and or whatever. correct. ant-mat gnoan— a terf and or whatever. correct. and that group that has and it's that group that has managea— and it's that group that has managed meek managed to take someone as meek and-jk— managed to take someone as meek ant-tk tooktng— managed to take someone as meek and-jk rowling and- managed to take someone as meek and jk rowling and turn and mild as jk rowling and turn her and mild as jk rowling and turn nen tnto— and mild as jk rowling and turn nen tnto a— and mild as jk rowling and turn her into a culture— and mild as jk rowling and turn her into a culture warrior. tt-s— her into a culture warrior. no that— her into a culture warrior. no that gnar— her into a culture warrior. it's that group that- her into a culture warrior. it's that group that will seek to besmirch the name of anyone who says that there is such a thing as a woman. it's an adult human female. and to suggest otherwise is a fantasy . and it's otherwise is a fantasy. and it's that group that has encouraged the activity of things like the tavistock centre, which hasn't just affected the lives of many misguided adults , it's also misguided adults, it's also severely impaired the future of many children upon whom i think life affecting and life changing hormone treatment should never be conducted. i agree . and i do. be conducted. i agree. and i do. i be conducted. i agree. and i do. t know— be conducted. i agree. and i do. t know wat— be conducted. i agree. and i do. i know that people— be conducted. i agree. and i do. i know that people are- 3333 i agree. and i do. i know that people are divided ant— i know that people are divided ant snat— i know that people are divided and split over— i know that people are divided and split over this, but i would ktnt— and split over this, but i would ktnt ot— and split over this, but i would kind of implore— and split over this, but i would kind of implore everyone, this is kind of implore everyone, this ts an— kind of implore everyone, this ts an tssae— kind of implore everyone, this is an issue that— kind of implore everyone, this is an issue that we have to tooas— is an issue that we have to tooas t— is an issue that we have to focus on. i have- is an issue that we have to focus on. i have to be across. i woatt— focus on. i have to be across. i woatt angae— focus on. i have to be across. i woatt angae ton— focus on. i have to be across. i would argue for the protection of would argue for the protection ot ontttnen— would argue for the protection ot ontttnen .— would argue for the protection of children . yes,— would argue for the protection of children . yes, you're looking of children. yes, you're looking at—wny-

of children. yes, you're looking at—wny we| at me very perplexed why we stan— at me very perplexed why we stanistan— at me very perplexed why we start-start from - at me very perplexed why we start start from the basis of start we start from the basis of wnetnen— start we start from the basis of wnetnenlnot— start we start from the basis of whether. not you _ start we start from the basis of whether not you accept gender whether or not you accept gender tysgnonta— whether or not you accept gender dysphoria_genuine- dysphoria as being a genuine sontttton— dysphoria as being a genuine condition that— dysphoria as being a genuine condition that needs that needs tneatment. — condition that needs that needs tneatment. t— condition that needs that needs treatment. i do. _ condition that needs that needs treatment. 33 lattice " condition that needs that needs treatment. t3t:3t �*tht�*tiii “ ti treatment. i do. well in which case then we start with it with a position that that there are such things as trans women and trans men. no. and i don't i don't have that view . so i think don't have that view. so i think i don't have that view. so i think t oomptetety— don't have that view. so i think i completely agree— don't have that view. so i think i completely agree that- t3t:3t“ g t so i think i completely agree that there wttt— i completely agree that there wttt de— i completely agree that there will be somebody that there'll be will be somebody that there'll de a— will be somebody that there'll de a tew— will be somebody that there'll de a tew oeogte— will be somebody that there'll be a few people out there that nave— be a few people out there that nawe tne— be a few people out there that have the condition, the medical sontttton— have the condition, the medical condition that— have the condition, the medical condition that you— have the condition, the medical condition that you just referenced— condition that you just referenced that will feel within tnemsetwes— referenced that will feel within themselves that— referenced that will feel within themselves that they are not who tney— themselves that they are not who tney — themselves that they are not who tney ant — themselves that they are not who they are and they— themselves that they are not who they are and they want to nesent— they are and they want to onesent as— they are and they want to onesent as a— they are and they want to present as a different gender. i somptetety— present as a different gender. i completely accept that. and it mast— completely accept that. and it mast de— completely accept that. and it must be awful.— completely accept that. and it must be awful. it— completely accept that. and it must be awful. it must be horrendous— must be awful. it must be horrendous-feel- must be awful. it must be horrendous feel that a trans horrendous to feel that a trans woman-de— horrendous to feel that a trans woman be woman. you horrendous to feel that a trans- woman-belwoman. you know, woman must be a woman. you know, to me— woman must be a woman. you know, to a— woman must be a woman. you know, to a tnans— woman must be a woman. you know, to me, a trans person— woman must be a woman. you know, to me, a trans person-a- woman must be a woman. you know, to me, a trans person a trans to me, a trans person is a trans nenson— to me, a trans person is a trans nenson-wno— to me, a trans person is a trans nenson-wno ts- to me, a trans person is a trans person,-who is not. to me, a trans person is a trans person, who is not a person, someone who is not a senanate— person, someone who is not a sepanate genten— person, someone who is not a separate gender. yes. someone separate gender. yes. as someone wno— separate gender. yes. as someone wno-want— separate gender. yes. as someone wno-want to— separate gender. yes. as someone who -want to live - separate gender. yes. as someone who-want to live as- who does not want to live as men— who does not want to live as their biological— who does not want to live as their biological we their biological reality, we i wtsn— their biological reality, we i wtsn tnem— their biological reality, we i wish them no— their biological reality, we i wish them no harm. i wish them no ta.— wish them no harm. i wish them no ttt-man— wish them no harm. i wish them no ill. man declaring that no ill. but a man declaring that he no ill. but a man declaring that me ts— no ill. but a man declaring that me ts a— no ill. but a man declaring that me ts a woman— no ill. but a man declaring that he is a woman, he— no ill. but a man declaring that he is a woman, he is not the same as me. 33“ [jamey he is a woman, he is not the same as me . 3t3“ [jamey �*tht�*till same as me. right. okay. well, there's it is certainly true that if you are a biological man

, then then i would agree with the premise of the question that you don't use women only spaces . you trot out that sentence nespeottatty— . you trot out that sentence nesgeottatty .— . you trot out that sentence respectfully , you- you trot out that sentence respectfully , you trot out that respectfully, you trot out that sentence that _ respectfully, you trot out that sentence that trans women are kes t— sentence that trans women are women. yes, i do. _ sentence that trans women are women. yes, i do. ' 3 sentence that trans women are women. yes, i do. “3 women. yes, i do. and that's not true. but women. yes, i do. and that's not tnae. datwnat— women. yes, i do. and that's not true. but what so _ women. yes, i do. and that's not true. but what so what?- women. yes, i do. ' 3 but what so what? so you true. but what so what? so you tntnk— true. but what so what? so you tntnk a— true. but what so what? so you tntnk a tnans— true. but what so what? so you think a trans woman— but what so what? so you think a trans woman is a woman? kes. — think a trans woman is a woman? kes. so— think a trans woman is a woman? yes. do wnat-s— think a trans woman is a woman? yes. so was a— think a trans woman is a woman? yes. so what's a woman man? watt.— yes. so what's a woman man? wett. t— yes. so what's a woman man? wett. t mem— yes. so what's a woman man? wett. t a— yes. so what's a woman man? well, i mean, a trans- yes. so what's a woman man? well, i mean, a trans woman can be a woman and a woman can be a woman. in words. in other woman. in other words. in other words, woman. okay. that words, a woman. okay. that a woman would be the biological sex and gender is different . so sex and gender is different. so you can you can be biological ically a woman, which is what an aduu ically a woman, which is what an adult , ically a woman, which is what an adult, adult, human female. no answer for him because no answer for him because he's tnotttng— answer for him because he's tnotttng oat— answer for him because he's trotting out the— answer for him because he's trotting out the sentence and eeonnye— trotting out the sentence and eeonnye toes— trotting out the sentence and everyone does it.— trotting out the sentence and everyone does it. and i don't tntnk— everyone does it. and i don't think respectfully, you know wnat— think respectfully, you know what-talking- think respectfully, you know what talking about, what you're talking about, deaase— what you're talking about, because-are- what you're talking about, because are you talking because what are you talking adoat— because what are you talking adoat wnen— because what are you talking about when-say- because what are you talking about when say trans woman about when you say a trans woman is about when you say a trans woman ts a— about when you say a trans woman ts a wnat— about when you say a trans woman is a woman, what do— about when you say a trans woman is a woman, what do you mean? i tattooe— is a woman, what do you mean? i dettewe twat— is a woman, what do you mean? i dettewe that a— is a woman, what do you mean? i believe that a woman— is a woman, what do you mean? i believe that a woman can- is a woman, what do you mean? i believe that a woman can have a penis. but look. and are you saytng— penis. but look. and are you saytng tnat— penis. but look. and are you saying that with— penis. but look. and are you saying that with a- 3tti“ and are you saying that with a straight nee?— saying that with a straight taoe?-t— saying that with a straight face?-i-yeah.. saying that with a straight- face?-i-yeah. because face? yes, i am. yeah. because i believe that it. it is. believe that that it. it is. you're absolutely right. it affects a very few people. and

what they want to do is get on with lives. but i'm with their lives. but i'm accepting people accepting that that people have the self—identify high the right to self—identify high in the of their of their in the gender of their of their choosing, especially if they've suffered because of the sex that they have previously. so i don't know where we go. how have we neaonet— know where we go. how have we neaonet a— know where we go. how have we neaonet a notnt— know where we go. how have we reached a point in— know where we go. how have we reached a point in 2023- ”cl t3tit how have we reached a point in 2023 where geonte— reached a point in 2023 where geogte wttn— reached a point in 2023 where people with straight faces and yoa— people with straight faces and yoa a— people with straight faces and yoa a good— people with straight faces and you're a good man, you're someone i respect, and you say yoa— someone i respect, and you say yoa tntnk— someone i respect, and you say yoa tntnk tt-s— someone i respect, and you say you think it's factually accurate to _ you think it's factually accurate to say a woman can have accurate to say a woman can have accurate to say a woman can have a dents— accurate to say a woman can have a dents as— accurate to say a woman can have a gents as tney— accurate to say a woman can have a penis as they cannot if you've got ant— a penis as they cannot if you've got ant t-m— a penis as they cannot if you've got ant t-m so— a penis as they cannot if you've got and i'm so sorry because yoa-kt— got and i'm so sorry because yoa-tt de— got and i'm so sorry because you'll be eating— got and i'm so sorry because you'll be eating your tea, yoa-kt— you'll be eating your tea, yoa-tt de— you'll be eating your tea, you'll be having your i don't know,— you'll be having your i don't know, yoan— you'll be having your i don't know, yoan pte— you'll be having your i don't know, your pie and mash or wnatewen. — know, your pie and mash or whatever. and— know, your pie and mash or whatever. and my- know, your pie and mash or whatever. ' “t3 know, your pie and mash or whatever. know, your pie and mash or- whatever. and my twitter feed is now filling up. you surely you mast— now filling up. you surely you mast know— now filling up. you surely you must know that— now filling up. you surely you must know that that's- �*" ii “3 a. you surely you must know that that's not accurate . but- must know that that's not accurate . ”cl must know that that's not accurate . ”cl must know that that's not accurate . must know that that's not- accurate . but we're so far down accurate. but we're so far down the rabbit hole now, one's merely paying lip service to the latest fad of the day when one says no offence , a woman can says no offence, a woman can have a penis. so plainly, self—evidently untrue that only a left wing journalist could think it . i a left wing journalist could think it. i suppose there's some social scientists as well. if

you ask me, as a man to call you barbara , i might because i'm barbara, i might because i'm polite, but you have no right to compel me to believe that you are in fact, a woman and you have no right to command the rights and treatment of someone who actually is a woman to directly contradict your position. in my view, a woman who have a penis and who does not have a penis and never has. but where do you draw yoan— never has. but where do you draw yoan ttne— never has. but where do you draw yoan ttne tn— never has. but where do you draw your line in denying— but where do you draw your line in denying reality? so ttke— your line in denying reality? so ttke yoa— your line in denying reality? so like you're currently saying tnat— like you're currently saying mat a— like you're currently saying that a woman— like you're currently saying that a woman can have a penis ant— that a woman can have a penis ant t— that a woman can have a penis ant t ttne— that a woman can have a penis and i find that— that a woman can have a penis and i find that absurd. i'm not going— and i find that absurd. i'm not gotng to— and i find that absurd. i'm not gotng to we.— and i find that absurd. i'm not going to lie. yeah,— and i find that absurd. i'm not going to lie. yeah, well, a lot of going to lie. yeah, well, a lot ot geogte— going to lie. yeah, well, a lot ot geogte to.— going to lie. yeah, well, a lot of people do. where do you draw the of people do. where do you draw tne ttne— of people do. where do you draw the line then?— of people do. where do you draw the line then? with— of people do. where do you draw the line then? with with faking ttenttty— the line then? with with faking ttenttty ttke— the line then? with with faking identity like faking reality. so, identity like faking reality. so, ton— identity like faking reality. so, for example , is the next so, for example, is the next stage— so, for example, is the next stage-to — so, for example, is the next stage-tona- so, for example, is the next. stage -to.a biological stage going to be a biological age?— stage going to be a biological age7-guv_ stage going to be a biological age?-gay stts— stage going to be a biological age? guy sits there and age? if a guy sits there and says— age? if a guy sits there and says t-m— age? if a guy sits there and says, m not— age? if a guy sits there and says, i'm not a— age? if a guy sits there and says, i'm not a 45 year old guy, t-m — says, i'm not a 45 year old guy, t-m a— says, i'm not a 45 year old guy, t-m a two— says, i'm not a 45 year old guy, t-m a two yean— says, i'm not a 45 year old guy, i'm a two year old,— says, i'm not a 45 year old guy, i'm a two year old, so i want to go to— i'm a two year old, so i want to go to a— i'm a two year old, so i want to go to a kindergarten. well i tnat-s— go to a kindergarten. well i mean, that's like saying, you know,— mean, that's like saying, you know, yoa— mean, that's like saying, you know, can you identify as know, can you self identify as a cntnaanaa?— know, can you self identify as a cntnaanaa? — know, can you self identify as a chihuahua? clearly,- know, can you self identify as a chihuahua? tat tat chihuahua? clearly, clearly not. that your that there are. where's your line then? my line is on gender and sex, but basically and sex, but it's basically biological gender biological sex and then gender being two different things

being being two different things . i would you mentioned schools, which actually i think are a really good example. young people don't care that there are young people in schools where people are are transitioning and they're perfectly happy about it. the only issue that's come up and a teacher i was to talking the other day mentioned this this happened, they this when this happened, they were happy with with were perfectly happy with with a boy a girl. what the boy becoming a girl. what the girls were unhappy about it was her changing in their changing room and they made different a different arrangements for that . so if you have a common sense approach to it, all these things are soluble. you know, i'll say i'll say a common sense approach to this is because you say, well, the children were happy to accept this. children would be happy— accept this. children would be happy to_ accept this. children would be nappy to stt— accept this. children would be happy to sit there— ii children would be happy to sit there drinking full fat happy to sit there drinking full tat cota— happy to sit there drinking full fat coca cola— happy to sit there drinking full fat coca cola eating chips at wodonatt-s— fat coca cola eating chips at mcdonald's and— fat coca cola eating chips at mcdonald's and all of the other tank— mcdonald's and all of the other tank toots— mcdonald's and all of the other junk foods available to them all day,— junk foods available to them all way, even— junk foods available to them all day, eweny way.— junk foods available to them all day, every day. they'd be genteotty— day, every day. they'd be perfectly happy to love and perfectly happy to love that and asset— perfectly happy to love that and assent tnat— perfectly happy to love that and asset tnat as— perfectly happy to love that and accept that as adults. we then some—ant- accept that as adults. we then somea—no wel accept that as adults. we theni come—and we sit come into the room and we sit tnene— come into the room and we sit mes-say,— come into the room and we sit there-say, right,- come into the room and we sit there say, right, kids, there and we say, right, kids, you— there and we say, right, kids, yoa-tntnk— there and we say, right, kids, you-think-this- there and we say, right, kids, you-think-this is.

you might think that this is wnat— you might think that this is wnat-want— you might think that this is what-want to- you might think that this is what want to do with your what you want to do with your ttte — what you want to do with your ttte .tne — what you want to do with your life .the rest _ what you want to do with your life .the rest of— what you want to do with your life .the rest of it.- what you want to do with your life the rest of it. but as life and the rest of it. but as atatts— life and the rest of it. but as atatts we— life and the rest of it. but as adults, we-need- life and the rest of it. but as adults, we need come adults, we now need to come in ant— adults, we now need to come in ant set— adults, we now need to come in and set-boundaries- adults, we now need to come in and set boundaries and all and set some boundaries and all the and set some boundaries and all tne-ot— and set some boundaries and all tne-ot tt— and set some boundaries and all the-of it because— and set some boundaries and all the of it because we care the rest of it because we care for the rest of it because we care ton-ant— the rest of it because we care ton-ant we— the rest of it because we care for-and we want- the rest of it because we care for and we want the right for you and we want the right outcomes for— for you and we want the right outcomes for you. _ for you and we want the right outcomes for you. we want to game— outcomes for you. we want to gatte yoa— outcomes for you. we want to gatte yoa ant— outcomes for you. we want to guide you and help you, help yoa.— guide you and help you, help yoa-tont- guide you and help you, help yoa-tont yoa- guide you and help you, help you. don't you worry you. and i just don't you worry adoat— you. and i just don't you worry adoat-wnen— you. and i just don't you worry about-when you're- you. and i just don't you worry about when you're going about this when you're going aoat— about this when you're going aoat saytng— about this when you're going around saying that can around saying that women can nave— around saying that women can nave-wntsn- around saying that women can have-which is- around saying that women can have-which is not- around saying that women can have which is not true have a penis, which is not true if have a penis, which is not true tt yoa— have a penis, which is not true if you've-biologic- have a penis, which is not true if you've biologic full if you've got a biologic full makean— if you've got a biologic full makeanla— if you've got a biologic full makeupla yoa- if you've got a biologic full makeup a you know, you've got makeup of a you know, you've got yoan— makeup of a you know, you've got yoan ttskte— makeup of a you know, you've got your tickle tackle— makeup of a you know, you've got your tickle tackle downstairs ant—a— your tickle tackle downstairs and-a woman. - your tickle tackle downstairs and-a woman. i and you're not a woman. and i san-t— and you're not a woman. and i ant-know,— and you're not a woman. and i can't-know,-going- and you're not a woman. and i can't know, going to can't you know, i'm going to tast— can't you know, i'm going to tast-tt— can't you know, i'm going to tast-tt open.- can't you know, i'm going to tast-ttonen. - can't you know, i'm going to just-it open. well,- can't you know, i'm going to just it open. �*tht�*till just throw it open. well, the argument is so polarised that i mean, don't the two sides just mean, i don't the two sides just don't to meet along these. don't seem to meet along these. nigel reality matters. and when yoan— nigel reality matters. and when yoan-tne— nigel reality matters. and when your the argument your side of the argument deny dasts—an— basic reality, it is an incredibly- basic reality, it is an incredibly it's not you're yoa— incredibly it's not you're you're prepared to accept at the moment— you're prepared to accept at the moment as far— you're prepared to accept at the moment as far as— you're prepared to accept at the moment as far as i— you're prepared to accept at the moment as far as i can see four gentens— moment as far as i can see four gentens so— moment as far as i can see four gentens so yoa— moment as far as i can see four genders so you're prepared to asset— genders so you're prepared to assert mate— genders so you're prepared to accept male female biological mate— accept male female biological mate temate— accept male female biological male female and— accept male female biological male female and also accept a tnans— male female and also accept a trans man and— male female and also accept a trans man and a— male female and also accept a trans man and a trans woman. 50 we trans man and a trans woman. so we take— trans man and a trans woman. so we take toan— trans man and a trans woman. so we have four generals. _ trans man and a trans woman. so we have four generals. no,- trans man and a trans woman. so we have four generals. no, no, no, no, no, no. you've got men ant— no, no, no, no. you've got men and women. you've— no, no, no, no. you've got men and women. you've got- you've got men and women. you've got a male, a temate— and women. you've got a male, a temate. ant— and women. you've got a male, a temate. ant tt— and women. you've got a male, a female. and if you— and women. you've got a male, a female. and if you want to have tnts— female. and if you want to have we sategony— female. and if you want to have we sategoty ot—

female. and if you want to have this category of a— female. and if you want to have this category of a trans person wno— this category of a trans person who absolutely— this category of a trans person who absolutely should be nespestest— who absolutely should be respected, treated dignity, respected, treated with dignity, snoatt — respected, treated with dignity, should _ society- respected, treated with dignity, should _ society , l should be equal in society, ttotty— should be equal in society, motty absolutely fine. but you are absolutely— motty absolutely fine. but you are absolutely fundamentally tenytng— are absolutely fundamentally tenytng dasts— are absolutely fundamentally denying basic biological reality wnen— denying basic biological reality wnen yoa— denying basic biological reality wnen yoa tnot— denying basic biological reality when you trot out— denying basic biological reality when you trot out gender is that tnans— when you trot out gender is that tnans oenson — when you trot out gender is that trans person. it's— when you trot out gender is that trans person. l trans person. it's not a different gender. you have men and you have women. and then within each of those you might have a very, very small subset of people who are before self harm and after self harm. and the we encourage the idea we should encourage them route or them to go down that route or who to play dress up what who like to play dress up what we used to call transvestite, i'd live as they are. i'd like to live as if they are. they are the gender without self harming. and you know, all fine and good stuff and well and good and the stuff of but the idea we of pantomime. but the idea we should encourage it in the end or send them to educate children, it's not a matter of encouraging. it a matter of encouraging. it is a matter of astaatty— encouraging. it is a matter of astaatty not— encouraging. it is a matter of actually not standing- ti;“ti.tit. ”33 “3 it is a matter of actually not standing in the way.— way. of course, you're ensoanagtng— way. of course, you're encouraging say encouraging it when you say a woman can have— encouraging it when you say a woman can have a— encouraging it when you say a woman can have a penis. \t gill woman can have a penis. nigel all woman can have a penis. nigel att t-m— woman can have a penis. nigel ktt t-m saytng— woman can have a penis. nigel all i'm saying is that it certainly is not a matter for governments as far as i can see, apart from not to put obstacles governments as far as i can see, apart 1way not to put obstacles governments as far as i can see, apart 1way oft to put obstacles governments as far as i can see, apart 1way of people: obstacles governments as far as i can see, apart 1way of people: obstwant to in the way of people who want to transition. well, there you go.

koa-we— transition. well, there you go. koa-we nat— transition. well, there you go. you've had different- c it“ well, there you go. you've had different sides on ma— you've had different sides on ma stony. — you've had different sides on that story. strong- you've had different sides on that story. 3 �*"ti;ti;l “t3tit you've had different sides on that story. 3 “35 it“ that story. strong feelings on this but i make no apology this one. but i make no apology for the subject this one. but i make no apology for i the subject this one. but i make no apology for i personallyject this one. but i make no apology for i personally believe because i personally believe it is of the most important is one of the most important topics right now in our society because it will define the futures of a generation of children. and that's what say. futures of a generation of chiltwhat and that's what say. futures of a generation of chiltwhat doi that's what say. futures of a generation of chiltwhat do you t's what say. futures of a generation of chiltwhat do you say?hat say. futures of a generation of chiltwhat do you say? i'll say. futures of a generation of chiltwhat do you say? i'll have but what do you say? i'll have your on that in your thoughts on that in a couple of minutes. let me ask you a simple question. would you would like to given would you ever like to be given £1,600 a month for absolute nothing? or not? nothing? good idea or not? universal income that universal basic income? that is the i want debate

people's channel. britain is watsntng— people's channel. britain is watsntng .— people's channel. britain is watching . hello there . i watching. hello there. welcome task— watching. hello there. welcome task to— watching. hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, michelle juburi, nigel nelson and alex dean alongside me. that conversation rumbled on into the break. so it did very important conversation , if you ask me. conversation, if you ask me. lots of feedback coming in, anthony says , michelle, you're anthony says, michelle, you're losing the argument here. female spaces have cubicles too. i'm just saying they have areas

within them. yeah, and so do men's changing rooms as well. so there you go . i like my own there you go. i like my own spaces actually. for females, maybe i'm old fashioned. anyway, let me ask you. £1,600 a month. if i came over to you and just offered you it, you'd have to do anything. you'd have to work. you'd have to give anything back. it'sjust you'd have to give anything back. it's just for money free. would you be interested ? i can would you be interested? i can hear you shouting. yes. i think it's equivalent to a £24,000 a year salary if you're out there grafting, that is. i'm asking because, alex, we're trialling apparently in england, 30 people will trialling this £1,600 will be trialling this £1,600 a month for two years. universal bafic month for two years. universal basic income. they'll be monitored to look at the outcome and all the rest of it personally, worry this personally, i worry that this will be recipe for disaster. i will be a recipe for disaster. i think you're going to remove people's and their people's motivations and their drives. think there's drives. i do not think there's anything as a free lunch anything such as a free lunch from government, as we've from the government, as we've found with this found out now with all of this kind help out to eat out and kind of help out to eat out and covid loans all the of covid loans and all the rest of it, don't how to help out. it, i don't how to help out. yeah, that's it. i don't support it. do you know i don't and i think that it's one of those

policies that's favoured by policies that's been favoured by the on the more cerebral eggheads on both politics for both sides of politics for a while, which tends to point to the a bad idea. this the fact it's a bad idea. this policy would mean- the fact it's a bad idea. this policy would mean that- �*itti 3titt3 3 this policy would mean that the demon— policy would mean that the person receiving £1,600 would be on noagnty— person receiving £1,600 would be on roughly double— person receiving £1,600 would be on roughly double the pensioner wno— on roughly double the pensioner wno ttwes— on roughly double the pensioner who lives next— on roughly double the pensioner who lives next door on 200 a week— who lives next door on 200 a week woatt— who lives next door on 200 a week would be _ who lives next door on 200 a week would be earning more than ot— week would be earning more than ot tne— week would be earning more than some of the people— week would be earning more than some of the people who are wonktng. — some of the people who are wonktng. ant— some of the people who are working. and are living down the stneet— working. and are living down the stneet tnom — working. and are living down the street from them.— working. and are living down the street from them. at and at moos— street from them. at and at £1,600 times— street from them. at and at £1,600 times 30- street from them. at and at £1,600 times 30 dodi, 48 grand ttmes— £1,600 times 30 dodi, 48 grand ttmes d?— £1,600 times 30 dodi, 48 grand ttmes d? aza— £1,600 times 30 dodi, 48 grand times 52, £2.5 million cost to tne— times 52, £2.5 million cost to me taxpaye— times 52, £2.5 million cost to me taxoayen .— times 52, £2.5 million cost to the taxpayer . yeah, i can think the taxpayer. yeah, i can think tnat-s— the taxpayer. yeah, i can think was not— the taxpayer. yeah, i can think that's not bad— the taxpayer. yeah, i can think that's not bad from that's detten— that's not bad from that's better than— that's not bad from that's better than diane abbott school of better than diane abbott school ot watts— better than diane abbott school ot watns tnat— better than diane abbott school of maths that i— better than diane abbott school of maths that i can think of detten— of maths that i can think of detten ways— of maths that i can think of better ways to _ of maths that i can think of better ways to spend that money natnen— better ways to spend that money natnen tnan — better ways to spend that money rather than this— better ways to spend that money rather than this sort of thing in rather than this sort of thing tn tne— rather than this sort of thing tn tne ent— rather than this sort of thing in the end encourages people not to wonk— in the end encourages people not to wonk ant— in the end encourages people not to work and also,— in the end encourages people not to work and also, where does tnts— to work and also, where does tnts money— to work and also, where does this money come— to work and also, where does this money come from ? �*" this money come from? if you de—incentivize_ this money come from? if you de—incentivize everyone to go out and graft and pay their income tax and all the rest of it into the system, where are you getting this free dosh from? well, i'm rather attracted to tnts— well, i'm rather attracted to tnts ttea— well, i'm rather attracted to this idea, all— well, i'm rather attracted to this idea, all right? and it depends— this idea, all right? and it depends which— this idea, all right? and it depends which system you astaatty—

depends which system you actually-there- depends which system you- actually-there-whole actually use. there are a whole toast— actually use. there are a whole toast-oat— actually use. there are a whole load -out there. - actually use. there are a whole load out there. finland load of them out there. finland for load of them out there. finland ton nstase— load of them out there. finland for instance, found— load of them out there. finland for instance, found that when tney— for instance, found that when tney tntet— for instance, found that when they tried nationally they tried it nationally with moo—.- they tried it nationally with ?ooo—, atti they tried it nationally with i ?ooo—, att ot they tried it nationally with - 2000_, all of them 2000 people or more, all of them got emptoyet— 2000 people or more, all of them got employed than— 2000 people or more, all of them got employed than in a control group— got employed than in a control gnoag wno— got employed than in a control gnoag wno ewe— got employed than in a control group who were on benefits. now if group who were on benefits. now tt-system— group who were on benefits. now if. system worked _ group who were on benefits. now if-system worked in- group who were on benefits. now if system worked in the if this system worked in the astaat— if this system worked in the actual purest— if this system worked in the actual purest sense, what would tangen— actual purest sense, what would nappen-yoa-ne- actual purest sense, what would happen you're born, you happen is when you're born, you get yoan— happen is when you're born, you get yoan meso— happen is when you're born, you get your £1,600 or— happen is when you're born, you get your £1,600 or whatever. it may— get your £1,600 or whatever. it may-mtgn— get your £1,600 or whatever. it may-ntgn as- get your £1,600 or whatever. it may-high as that.- get your £1,600 or whatever. it may high as that. it may not be as high as that. it may— may not be as high as that. it may de— may not be as high as that. it may de-dat— may not be as high as that. it may be -but when - may not be as high as that. it may be but when you're may be higher. but when you're donn—mat- may be higher. but when you're donn—mat ttl born, yeah, the idea is that it is universal. _ born, yeah, the idea is that it is universal. every single nenson— is universal. every single person would— is universal. every single person would get this money. tnts— person would get this money. we ts— person would get this money. this is nonsensical. �*thty person would get this money. this is nonsensical. kitty 3 this is nonsensical. why would you give £600 to a one day old child ? so as you'll be able to child? so as you'll be able to astaatty— child? so as you'll be able to astaatty took— child? so as you'll be able to actually look after— ti.“ 37 so as you'll be able to actually look after that child ant— actually look after that child ant gnowtte— actually look after that child and provide for— actually look after that child and provide for it, then what naggens— and provide for it, then what naggens ts— and provide for it, then what naggens ts as— and provide for it, then what happens is as as— and provide for it, then what happens is as as everyone grows up happens is as as everyone grows an ant— happens is as as everyone grows an ant tne— happens is as as everyone grows up and the parent— happens is as as everyone grows up and the parent and what not, the up and the parent and whatnot, tne nanents— up and the parent and whatnot, the parents decide— up and the parent and whatnot, the parents decide what they're totng— the parents decide what they're totng wttn— the parents decide what they're totng wttn tt— the parents decide what they're doing with it is— the parents decide what they're doing with it is work would pay more. you still— doing with it is work would pay more. you still got— doing with it is work would pay more. you still got that money. denettts— more. you still got that money. denettts ane— more. you still got that money. benefits are abolished somatetety— benefits are abolished completely. so a cumbersome and sostty— completely. so a cumbersome and sostty denettt— completely. so a cumbersome and costly benefit system would ttsappean— costly benefit system would ttsaggean as— costly benefit system would disappear as you work. you ettnen— disappear as you work. you ettnen tose— disappear as you work. you either lose the— disappear as you work. you either lose the money that yoa— either lose the money that yoa getttng— either lose the money that you're getting on universal dasts— you're getting on universal basic income— you're getting on universal basic income or— you're getting on universal basic income or it's taken away

tnnoagn— basic income or it's taken away tnnoagn tne— basic income or it's taken away through the tax— basic income or it's taken away through the tax system. so the mea— through the tax system. so the idea incentivised_ through the tax system. so the idea incentivised .— through the tax system. so the idea incentivised . the big thing idea incentivised. the big thing adoat— idea incentivised. the big thing adoat ts— idea incentivised. the big thing adoat ts tne— idea incentivised. the big thing about is the saving in money desaase— about is the saving in money desaase yoa— about is the saving in money because you save— about is the saving in money because you save an entire our dement— because you save an entire our denettt system— because you save an entire our benefit system if— because you save an entire our benefit system if it works . benefit system if it works. dnthem — benefit system if it works. problem areas— benefit system if it works. problem areas are things like woatt— problem areas are things like woatt yoa— problem areas are things like would you need— problem areas are things like would you need to pay more for money— would you need to pay more for money someone who is disabled, wno— money someone who is disabled, wno neetet— money someone who is disabled, wno needed a— money someone who is disabled, who needed a carer— money someone who is disabled, who needed a carer to? where do you— who needed a carer to? where do yoa get— who needed a carer to? where do yoa get to— who needed a carer to? where do yoa get to wttn— who needed a carer to? where do you get to with pensions for nstase— you get to with pensions for mtase to— you get to with pensions for instance, do you— you get to with pensions for instance, do you abolish penstons— instance, do you abolish oenstons on— instance, do you abolish pensions or do you accept that geome— pensions or do you accept that geogte nave— pensions or do you accept that people have paid— pensions or do you accept that people have paid in national insurance because they worked for insurance because they worked ton yeas— insurance because they worked ton yeans ant— insurance because they worked for years and therefore they tesenwe — for years and therefore they deserve higher— for years and therefore they deserve higher amounts ? but deserve higher amounts? but tnene— deserve higher amounts? but tnene ane— deserve higher amounts? but there are different ways of astaatty— there are different ways of actually working it. but the task— actually working it. but the dasts ttea— actually working it. but the basic idea is— actually working it. but the basic idea is worth exploring. t-m — basic idea is worth exploring. t-m not— basic idea is worth exploring. t-m not saytng— basic idea is worth exploring. i'm not saying we should do it, tast— i'm not saying we should do it, tast tnat— i'm not saying we should do it, tast tnat we— i'm not saying we should do it, just that we ought— i'm not saying we should do it, just that we ought to explore it. just that we ought to explore t. .a— just that we ought to explore t. .a twat— just that we ought to explore it.-a trial of— just that we ought to explore it.-a trial of 30- just that we ought to explore it. a trial of 30 people it. and a trial of 30 people tsn-t— it. and a trial of 30 people tsn-t dtg— it. and a trial of 30 people isn't big enough. i 3 isn't big enough. i'm fascinated to outcome of this. to see the outcome of this. you're saying, oh, you know, you could get your universal basic income you go income and then when you go on to get inch by inch, ubi to get a job inch by inch, ubi comes down as you're earning a profound disincentive work profound disincentive to work at all, it? think so. let all, isn't it? i think so. let me this straight. i'm going. me get this straight. i'm going. so we all 3—3 start off with £1,600 and then i go out to work. i think to myself, i'm a

motivated go getting individual. i off rishi i don't want to live off rishi sunak much. i'll sunak thank you very much. i'll go and get a job. so then in order to earn my £1,600, i've got to graft however long. got to graft for however long. i don't know. let's just say 40 hours week to get myself to hours a week to get myself to the position as you two. the same position as you two. why would that? because why would i do that? because you'll more money by going you'll earn more money by going out work. and also, as you've out to work. and also, as you've notntet— out to work. and also, as you've pointed-£1,600. - out to work. and also, as you've| pointed-£1,600. .would pointed out, £1,600. you would snen— pointed out, £1,600. you would then would want to go to then you would want to go out to work. so that money would come down — work. so that money would come down way— work. so that money would come down. why would _ work. so that money would come down. why would i— so that money would come down. �*thty 3 “i3 ti down. why would i magically suddenly go work when suddenly want to go to work when there's pressure to? because there's no pressure to? because there's no pressure to? because the point in jobseeker's allowance, this happens the allowance, this happens with the benefit no no, benefit to seek a job. no no, that's difference. currently that's the difference. currently you obliged to find a you are obliged to try to find a job you're sick. yeah. if job unless you're sick. yeah. if you're comparing your universal beneficial benefit benefit to the sick, then you are making, in my view, a profoundly different point because until until now, i thought you were making a point about the. well this isn't about those who are who are long term sick at the moment. the moment. if everybody at the moment. if everybody at the moment exactly at the moment. if you're jobseeker's allowance moment exactly at the moment. if you're united;eeker's allowance moment exactly at the moment. if you're united kingdom,lowance moment exactly at the moment. if you're united kingdom, you nce moment exactly at the moment. if you're united kingdom, you are in the united kingdom, you are obuged in the united kingdom, you are obliged seek work. you are obliged to seek work. you are

not ubi , right? no, not on your ubi, right? no, that's that you wouldn't that's right. that you wouldn't nave— that's right. that you wouldn't nawe to— that's right. that you wouldn't nawe to get— that's right. that you wouldn't nawe to get a— that's right. that you wouldn't have to get a job.— that's right. that you wouldn't have to get a job. you- i 3“ that you wouldn't have to get a job. you could i 3“. that you wouldn't have to get a job. you could use the have to get a job. you could use tne-to— have to get a job. you could use tne-to go— have to get a job. you could use tne-to go ant— have to get a job. you could use the-to go and study- have to get a job. you could use the to go and study to the money to go and study to take— the money to go and study to take an— the money to go and study to take an .that's- the money to go and study to take an that's what's take an ma. that's what's happened-— take an ma. that's what's naggenet. do— take an ma. that's what's happened. do all in america or do happened. do all in america or to notntng— happened. do all in america or do nothing but— happened. do all in america or do nothing but the evidence so far do nothing but the evidence so tan ot— do nothing but the evidence so tan ot tne— do nothing but the evidence so far of the trials.— do nothing but the evidence so far of the trials. this is why i'd far of the trials. this is why to ttke— far of the trials. this is why to ttke to— far of the trials. this is why i'd like to see— far of the trials. this is why i'd like to see it— far of the trials. this is why i'd like to see it trialled gnogenty— i'd like to see it trialled properlv in— i'd like to see it trialled properly in this country. the ewttense— properly in this country. the evidence from _ properly in this country. the evidence from the trials is that toesn-t— evidence from the trials is that toesn-t happen-— evidence from the trials is that doesn't happen. people feel neattnten— doesn't happen. people feel healthier both— doesn't happen. people feel healthier both mentally and onystsatty.— healthier both mentally and physically. actually want physically. they actually want toloat— physically. they actually want toloat to— physically. they actually want to.out to work— physically. they actually want to out to work and they do, to go out to work and they do, dat— to go out to work and they do, dat tnen— to go out to work and they do, but then you're— to go out to work and they do, but then you're going to genattse— but then you're going to penalise them by taking the aweso— penalise them by taking the eeeoo ott— penalise them by taking the £1,600 off them. i ”tint £1,600 off them. because surely if are, everyone's going to if you are, everyone's going to get that be get you £1,600. that should be universal. the universal. the clue's in the name would it would be name and it would it would be universal. yeah. but then you're taking then when they taking it off. then when they 90? taking it off. then when they go, a basic income. so the go, it's a basic income. so the absolute basic— go, it's a basic income. so the absolute basic is— go, it's a basic income. so the absolute basic is £1,600.- 3tit so the absolute basic is £1,600. and tnen— absolute basic is £1,600. and men as— absolute basic is £1,600. and men as yoa— absolute basic is £1,600. and then as you-more- absolute basic is £1,600. and then as you more or as you then as you earn more or as you if then as you earn more or as you d yoa— then as you earn more or as you d yoa want— then as you earn more or as you d yoa want to— then as you earn more or as you d yoa want to go— then as you earn more or as you if you want to go out to work, if you want to go out to work, tt yoa— if you want to go out to work, tt yoa want— if you want to go out to work, tt yoa want to— if you want to go out to work, if you want to live— if you want to go out to work, if you want to live on that, you sanon-— if you want to live on that, you sanon- ttwng— if you want to live on that, you can -on living-said- can carry on living on said yoa-tt— can carry on living on said yoa-tt take— can carry on living on said you'll take-16- can carry on living on said you'll take 16 any benefits you'll take that 16 any benefits if i you'll take that 16 any benefits d t to— you'll take that 16 any benefits d t to take— you'll take that 16 any benefits if i do take that— you'll take that 16 any benefits if i do take that off it's remarkably— if i do take that off it's remarkably i- if i do take that off it's remarkably i mean at some point somedoty-s— remarkably i mean at some point somebody's-punch- remarkably i mean at some point somebody's punch you somebody's going to punch you the somebody's going to punch you tne—gotngl somebody's going to punch you| tne—gotng to the balloon someone's going to say,— the balloon someone's going to say—no- say, the emperor's got no stotnes. — say, the emperor's got no clothes. .just- say, the emperor's got no clothes. .just said. say, the emperor's got no. clothes. .just said that clothes. you just said that people felt happier. people are

better mentally physically. better mentally and physically. of happier. of course they're happier. you just doing just gave them £1,600 for doing nothing. i'd be happier as well. just gave them £1,600 for doing notithose d be happier as well. just gave them £1,600 for doing notithose peopleippier as well. just gave them £1,600 for doing notithose people then as well. just gave them £1,600 for doing notithose people then decided but those people then decided they a job. more they wanted to get a job. more of them got a job than- 3ti. more of them got a job than people anttt— of them got a job than people anttt tney— of them got a job than people until they realise— of them got a job than people until they realise that you were men— until they realise that you were men gotng— until they realise that you were men gotng to— until they realise that you were then going to take the £1,600 off then going to take the £1,600 ott—get- off them for going to get a wonk. — off them for going to get a wonk. ana— off them for going to get a work. and then- off them for going to get a work. and then i- off them for going to get a work. ' “t3 sti.“ off them for going to get a work. “3 i work. and then i bet their bottom dollar, some of them went back on sometimes, honestly, ladies gents i ladies and gents at home, i think this world is going think that this world is going mad. alone that? maybe mad. am i alone in that? maybe you sitting there saying, you are sitting there saying, yes, . £1,600 yes, absolutely. £1,600 for absolutely anyone and everyone. why would you want to why on earth would you want to be absolutely, categorically , be absolutely, categorically, resolutely dependent on the government if you didn't have to be? i don't know. you tell me after the break. at this. a big study has landed today that told us something that i could have told you weeks, months, years ago, perhaps . see you in two ago, perhaps. see you in two where we'll get into it .

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actually but the plant he might mean the other i don't know the plant thing is absolutely relevant ask we were relevant if you ask me. we were just about just talking about self—identification. nigel thinks can identify as thinks that you can identify as whatever we'll do whatever you want, and we'll do that again. perhaps in a different day. lots of people disagree nigel. disagree with you there, nigel. i've say, on this i've got to say, on this universe, basic income, that's not universal not really universal because what to is take what nigel wants to do is take it anyone that then on it off anyone that then goes on and a job. but anyway, and gets a job. but anyway, ronald says, this puts my basic pension to shame. lots you pension to shame. lots of you saying how can you have saying that. how can you have that amount of money? £1,600 when people that have worked paid into the system, etcetera, all their lives don't get a fraction of john says that all their lives don't get a frs'justn of john says that all their lives don't get a frs'just not john says that all their lives don't get a frs'just not fair. john says that all their lives don't get a frs'just not fair. ijohn says that all their lives don't get a frs'just not fair. i havesays that all their lives don't get a frs'just not fair. i have neverlat is just not fair. i have never earned a salary as great as that in all of my working life. jan says she's done a back of a packet calculation when she's come of come up with the amount of billions it would cost billions a month it would cost your asking on earth would your asking where on earth would we all of that money from? we get all of that money from? well, it'd come from all the people to go and people that decide to go and work that nigel would then take off the universal basic income and it would up for you to and it would be up for you to pay and it would be up for you to pay everyone else to sit on

their backsides doing nothing . their backsides doing nothing. not watch. won't be happy not on my watch. won't be happy with that. i'll leave you guys to final judge of it all. to be the final judge of it all. anyway. look let's move on. do you remember professor pantsdown , or should i say professor ferguson ? and all of his ferguson? and all of his predictions of were going covid claiming that more than half a million us could die if we million of us could die if we didn't lock down our lives? well, today, a landmark study conducted by one of the most respected medical schools in the world and folks , the world is out. and folks, the results over 20,000 results ain't good. over 20,000 studies were examined by the john hopkins university, and it seems me least, that seems to me at least, that lockdowns pretty much did more harm than good. to quote the harm than good. and to quote the report directly, the benefits of lockdown were a drop in the bucket compared to the cost. they they most they go on to say that they most likely represent the biggest policy in modern times. policy mistake in modern times. tell . us something we don't tell. us something we don't know. yes, they conclude that some of the measures could have saved lives 1700 lives across england and wales, to be precise. and of course, any death an absolute tragedy and death is an absolute tragedy and one too many. but let's not

forget that a typical flu season could see anywhere between 18,020 4000 deaths. alas, though, we will have to live with the devastating impacts of prolonged covid lockdowns for decades to come, and many things are now often talked about, for example, like the damage to the economy the damage to kids, economy or the damage to kids, or damage to , say, mental or the damage to, say, mental health. but many things, of course , like the devastating course, like the devastating number of excess deaths which are sweeping the country right now, seem destined to be nigh on, ignored and if you ask me, thatis on, ignored and if you ask me, that is our nation's shame . what that is our nation's shame. what did you make to that report, alex? very interesting statistics. _ alex? very interesting statistics. you - '.ti;a

report into their procedure, wntsn— report into their procedure, wntsn ts— report into their procedure, wntsn ts ot— report into their procedure, which is of course very interesting— which is of course very interesting because they pursued a ttttenent— interesting because they pursued a different path— interesting because they pursued a different path to— interesting because they pursued a different path to rest of a different path to the rest of us. a different path to the rest of as-tney— a different path to the rest of us. they produced us. basically they produced tnetn— us. basically they produced tnetn epon— us. basically they produced their report 15— us. basically they produced their report 15 months ago. i ton-t— their report 15 months ago. i ton-t know— their report 15 months ago. i don't know anyone who thinks their report 15 months ago. i don't going anyone who thinks their report 15 months ago. i don't going to lone who thinks their report 15 months ago. i don't going to see who thinks their report 15 months ago. i don't going to see our) thinks their report 15 months ago. i don't going to see our reports their report 15 months ago. i don't going to see our report in we're going to see our report in 15 we're going to see our report in td-ttme.— we're going to see our report in td-ttme. koa— we're going to see our report in 15-time. you can't.- we're going to see our report in 15 time. you can't. these 15 months time. you can't. these are 15 months time. you can't. these yeansla— 15 months time. you can't. these are years-a time— 15 months time. you can't. these are years a time kind of are years at a time kind of tetays— are years at a time kind of tetays tnto— are years at a time kind of delays into into- are years at a time kind of delays into into these investigations . i delays into into these investigations. i mean, you tntnk— investigations. i mean, you think about— investigations. i mean, you think about how long we took leveson, took— think about how long we took leveson, took ages, and we tttn-t— leveson, took ages, and we tttn-t even— leveson, took ages, and we didn't even get— leveson, took ages, and we didn't even get leveson part two.— didn't even get leveson part two. ean— didn't even get leveson part two. our report— didn't even get leveson part two. our report into sunday like tesates— two. our report into sunday like decades after— two. our report into sunday like decades after it— two. our report into sunday like decades after it occurred, snentett— decades after it occurred, grenfell tower- decades after it occurred, grenfell tower , an incident that grenfell tower, an incident that naggenet— grenfell tower, an incident that naggenet tn— grenfell tower, an incident that naggenet tn one— grenfell tower, an incident that happened in one location on one day stttt— happened in one location on one day stttt ongotng— happened in one location on one day still ongoing, seven years taten— day still ongoing, seven years later. whatever— day still ongoing, seven years later. whatever the outcomes of tngatntes— later. whatever the outcomes of tngatntes no— later. whatever the outcomes of inquiries, no matter how hard it is inquiries, no matter how hard it ts ton— inquiries, no matter how hard it is for governments, we've got to get to — is for governments, we've got to get to me — is for governments, we've got to get to the answers— is for governments, we've got to get to the answers sooner than we wtget— get to the answers sooner than we are. nigel yeah,- get to the answers sooner than we are. \t 3ti “411?" we are. nigel yeah, and i hope it will actually make interim reports when, when she finally gets her inquiry going , at least gets her inquiry going, at least she'll start taking evidence in the next couple of weeks. but it would if rishi sunak would be handy if rishi sunak provided the material he's provided the material that he's meant help her on a report meant to help her on a report like this. it seems to be this is the kind of thing we should inform as alex. alex says, inform as alex. alex says, inform such an inquiry. i think

that there is some danger with thinking in hindsight now about what happened at the time . if what happened at the time. if you remember when we did go into lockdown, it was the only measure that seemed to be on the on the table at the time. nana nigel, nigel, nigel. this is not see what a lot— nigel, nigel, nigel. this is not see what a lot of— nigel, nigel, nigel. this is not see what a lot of people- k 33. \t 3ti. \t 3ti. this is not see what a lot of people say now is, see what a lot of people say now ts on— see what a lot of people say now ts on at— see what a lot of people say now is, oh, all these— see what a lot of people say now is, oh, all these people coming out is, oh, all these people coming oat wttn— is, oh, all these people coming out with their— is, oh, all these people coming out with their hindsights and a lot out with their hindsights and a tot ot— out with their hindsights and a tot ot oeopte— out with their hindsights and a lot of people from day one, i wasnt— lot of people from day one, i wasn't one of— lot of people from day one, i wasn't one of them on day one, dat— wasn't one of them on day one, dat a— wasn't one of them on day one, dat a tot— wasn't one of them on day one, dat a tot ot— wasn't one of them on day one, but a lot of people— wasn't one of them on day one, but a lot of people on day one saytng— but a lot of people on day one were saying that— but a lot of people on day one were saying that this wasn't the my— were saying that this wasn't the onty optom— were saying that this wasn't the onty optton as— were saying that this wasn't the only option as it— were saying that this wasn't the only option as it progressed. i t— only option as it progressed. i mean, i was terrified of covid at ttnst. — mean, i was terrified of covid at ttnst. t— mean, i was terrified of covid at first. i was— mean, i was terrified of covid at first. i was pregnant and men— at first. i was pregnant and men t— at first. i was pregnant and men t soon— at first. i was pregnant and then i soon started waking up ant— then i soon started waking up ant gang,— then i soon started waking up ant gang, mang— then i soon started waking up and going, hang on a second, tnts— and going, hang on a second, tnts-stask— and going, hang on a second, tnts-stask an- and going, hang on a second, this-stack up the- and going, hang on a second, this stack up the where this doesn't stack up the where otnen— this doesn't stack up the where otnen-tnat— this doesn't stack up the where other-that weren't- other options that weren't gnogenty— properly explored, things like the great barrington declaration, the great barrington declaratio at the where situations at the time where geonte— situations at the time where people screaming situations at the time where people-screaming the people were screaming from the noottons— people were screaming from the noottons-gotng- people were screaming from the rooftops,-going to- rooftops, this is going to testnoy— rooftops, this is going to destroy country as we know destroy the country as we know it. destroy the country as we know tt. tnese— destroy the country as we know it. these lockdown— destroy the country as we know it. these lockdown measures, wntsn— it. these lockdown measures, wntsn ts— it. these lockdown measures, wntsn ts-tne— it. these lockdown measures, which is the inquiry will which is what the inquiry will testte— which is what the inquiry will decide,-whether- decide, whether whether those measures were proportionate. dat— measures were proportionate. datwnat— measures were proportionate. datwnattne— measures were proportionate. but what the report— measures were proportionate. i but what the report-seems but what the report also seems to lockdowns call it to say is that lockdowns call it what you will, but restrictions

did work, provided they were voluntary . so alex mentioned voluntary. so alex mentioned sweden there, sweden ended up with proportionately half the number of deaths that we did , number of deaths that we did, although by not having lockdowns because people voluntarily kept away from each other. so the bafic away from each other. so the basic restrictions, the report is arguing was were right that it's the making them comply free. that was actually wrong wrong. but again, we're looking back to what we do know from from the early days. there is when you lockdown infections went down and when you lifted restrictions , infections went up restrictions, infections went up and a lot of things have changed. well, you know what? some of you getting in touch saytng,— some of you getting in touch saytng. on— some of you getting in touch saying, oh, michelle, will you snange— saying, oh, michelle, will you snange tne— saying, oh, michelle, will you change the record packet in tatktng— change the record packet in talking about— change the record packet in talking about covid life has moved— talking about covid life has moved t— talking about covid life has moved on. i always say the same tnat— moved on. i always say the same tnatltnat— moved on. i always say the same that-that thing— moved on. i always say the same that that thing don't i? that to that thing don't i? took,— that to that thing don't i? took, tne— that to that thing don't i? look, life hasn't really moved that to that thing don't i? loo lotse hasn't really moved that to that thing don't i? loo lots oftasn't really moved that to that thing don't i? loo lots of experiences moved that to that thing don't i? loo lots of experiences thattd that to that thing don't i? loo lots of experiences that we on. lots of experiences that we nawe — on. lots of experiences that we nawe tn— on. lots of experiences that we nawe tn tnts— on. lots of experiences that we have in this country today can be have in this country today can de ttnestty— have in this country today can be directly traced— have in this country today can be directly traced back to the esoonse ot— be directly traced back to the response of covid, whether it's yoan— response of covid, whether it's yoan was— response of covid, whether it's yoan wns ant— response of covid, whether it's your nhs and the— response of covid, whether it's your nhs and the mess that

tnat-s— your nhs and the mess that was tn— your nhs and the mess that that's in the— your nhs and the mess that that's in the economy, the debt, the that's in the economy, the debt, tne moey— that's in the economy, the debt, tne moey tne— that's in the economy, the debt, the money, the finances, tnttatton. — the money, the finances, inflation. so _ the money, the finances, inflation. so much of it. i onomtse— inflation. so much of it. i onomtse yoa— inflation. so much of it. i promise you can be traced back to tnose— promise you can be traced back to those decisions. _ promise you can be traced back to those decisions. lots of you getttng— to those decisions. lots of you getttng tn— to those decisions. lots of you getting in touch— to those decisions. lots of you getting in touch about universal dasts— getting in touch about universal dasts msome— getting in touch about universal basic income, saying one of you saytng,— basic income, saying one of you saying, michelle,— basic income, saying one of you saying, michelle, please do not be saying, michelle, please do not de gatsk— saying, michelle, please do not de gatsk as— saying, michelle, please do not de gatsk as yoa— saying, michelle, please do not be quick as you are to dismiss tns— be quick as you are to dismiss tnts. tnene— be quick as you are to dismiss this. there are— be quick as you are to dismiss this. there are lots— be quick as you are to dismiss this. there are lots of advantages- this. there are lots of advantages to universal basic wett— advantages to universal basic income. well, i'll— advantages to universal basic income. well, i'll leave it with you— income. well, i'll leave it with you guys— income. well, i'll leave it with yoa gays to— income. well, i'll leave it with yoa gays to tekt— income. well, i'll leave it with you guys to tell me some of them tnen— you guys to tell me some of them tnen ant— you guys to tell me some of them tnen ant tny— you guys to tell me some of them tnen ant tny ant— you guys to tell me some of them then and try and convince me desaase— then and try and convince me because so far,— then and try and convince me because so far, nigel nelson tttn-t— because so far, nigel nelson didn't manage— because so far, nigel nelson didn't manage that . lots didn't manage to do that. lots of didn't manage to do that. lots ot-asktng— didn't manage to do that. lots of-asking where- didn't manage to do that. lots of asking where would of people asking where would tnat— of people asking where would tnat money— of people asking where would that money come— of people asking where would that money come from ? no such that money come from? no such tntng— that money come from? no such tntng as— that money come from? no such tntng as a— that money come from? no such tntng as a tee— that money come from? no such thing as a free lunch. i somotetety— thing as a free lunch. i completely agree with you . so completely agree with you. so wnat— completely agree with you. so wnat woatt— completely agree with you. so what would be _ completely agree with you. so what would be the effect on smatt— what would be the effect on small businesses trying to emotoy— small businesses trying to employ people? bob asks. if oeoote— employ people? bob asks. if oeoote ane— employ people? bob asks. if people are incentivised not to go ant— people are incentivised not to go ant wonk— people are incentivised not to go and work,-you- people are incentivised not to go and work, you see it in go and work, will you see it in tnese— go and work, will you see it in tnese ttmes?— go and work, will you see it in these times? right now, don't yoa?— these times? right now, don't yoa? we-we— these times? right now, don't yoa? we got— these times? right now, don't you? we've got a— these times? right now, don't you? we've got a huge amount of oeoote— you? we've got a huge amount of oeoote-esonomts- people currently economic tnasttwe— people currently economic inactive, _ keepi people currently economic- inactive,_keep doing inactive, chris says. keep doing wnat— inactive, chris says. keep doing what—michelle. . what you're doing. michelle. i towe—ant- what you're doing. michelle. i towe—ant yoan| love your program and your gaests— love your program and your guests tonight. _ love your program and your guests tonight. ray has messaged in guests tonight. ray has messaged tn saytng,— guests tonight. ray has messaged tn saytng. dtease— guests tonight. ray has messaged in saying, please, can give in saying, please, can you give me—tne- in saying, please, can you give me _the presenter| in saying, please, can you give. me _the presenter on me the name of the presenter on gb me the name of the presenter on on news?— me the name of the presenter on on news? ktgnt— me the name of the presenter on gb news? right now? ray my name is gb news? right now? ray my name ts-dewdenny—

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good evening. rishi sunak goes to dover, gives a speech and says his stop the boats policy is working because the numbers are down 20. is it all spin from rishi? is it real or could it be