called summer .7 isn't this just called summer? can we pack it in with the outrage ? am i missing something? outrage? am i missing something? i'm sure you'll tell me if i am. get this. 11 year olds as young as that old to dress up in full blown draghi quotes to school to celebrate pride . why on earth celebrate pride. why on earth for kids involved in celebrating the sexuality of adults? do we even need this pride stuff anymore for a whole month of it? also apparently calling teachers sir and miss should no longer be a thing either. please give me a break. and if you live in social housing, should you be evicted? if your kids are involved in knife crime and refuse to grass up and help secure convictions, that's a recent proposal . do you that's a recent proposal. do you agree with it? why draw the line just at knife crime? should we spread it even further and i cannot finish my program without talking about crime ships. wow. look at that . would you fancy a look at that. would you fancy a nice, long weekend on one of those? well, these will be heading to migrants for use by

those. what do you make to that? a bit ludicrous. if you ask me. i'll be getting into that with a face i've not seen on here for a while. david starkey key. he'll be rejoining me tonight. but before we into it all, let's before we get into it all, let's bnng before we get into it all, let's bring ourselves up to with bring ourselves up to speed with the . news michelle thank you. the. news michelle thank you. the top story from the gb newsroom at— the top story from the gb newsroom at 6:00, the duke of sum— newsroom at 6:00, the duke of sussex has— newsroom at 6:00, the duke of sussex has left— newsroom at 6:00, the duke of sussex has left the high court in london— sussex has left the high court in london a— sussex has left the high court in london a short— sussex has left the high court in london a short time ago after his in london a short time ago after nde eeeend— in london a short time ago after nde second day— in london a short time ago after his second day on— in london a short time ago after his second day on the witness stand— his second day on the witness endnd gddnd— his second day on the witness stand giving evidence in his privacy— stand giving evidence in his privacy ense— stand giving evidence in his privacy case against mirror enun— privacy case against mirror group newspapers . prince harry group newspapers. prince harry edd— group newspapers. prince harry edd ne— group newspapers. prince harry said he believed— group newspapers. prince harry said he believed journalists had need— said he believed journalists had used unlawful— said he believed journalists had used unlawful techniques to get stones— used unlawful techniques to get edenee ended— used unlawful techniques to get stories about him,— used unlawful techniques to get stories about him, including ndddnd— stories about him, including ndddng d— stories about him, including placing a tracking device on the car placing a tracking device on the en— placing a tracking device on the of ne— placing a tracking device on the car of his ex—girlfriend, chelsy deny— car of his ex—girlfriend, chelsy deny .— car of his ex—girlfriend, chelsy deny . ne— car of his ex—girlfriend, chelsy deny. ne dee— car of his ex—girlfriend, chelsy davy. he also claimed car of his ex—girlfriend, chelsy davy . he also claimed they went davy. he also claimed they went to davy. he also claimed they went de enenne— davy. he also claimed they went to extreme lengths— davy. he also claimed they went to extreme lengths to cover up dnen— to extreme lengths to cover up dnen dddeded— to extreme lengths to cover up their alleged phone hacking. the nnnddenen— their alleged phone hacking. the publisher denies— their alleged phone hacking. the publisher denies any wrongdoing . neu— publisher denies any wrongdoing . wed eddy— publisher denies any wrongdoing . well away from _ publisher denies any wrongdoing . well away from the high court end— . well away from the high court and de— . well away from the high court end to de— . well away from the high court and to the united— . well away from the high court and to the united states now,

nnene— and to the united states now, nnene dne— and to the united states now, where the prime— and to the united states now, where the prime minister has visited— where the prime minister has visited dne— where the prime minister has visited the arlington national cemetery— visited the arlington national cemetery in— visited the arlington national cemetery in virginia to lay a needn— cemetery in virginia to lay a need at— cemetery in virginia to lay a wreath at the— cemetery in virginia to lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown— wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier. it's ahead of his unknown soldier. it's ahead of nde needn— unknown soldier. it's ahead of his fourth meeting with the us pendent— his fourth meeting with the us pneeddend d— his fourth meeting with the us president at the— his fourth meeting with the us president at the white house tomorrow during— president at the white house tomorrow during talks with joe ndden— tomorrow during talks with joe ndden-snndk— tomorrow during talks with joe biden,-sunak is- tomorrow during talks with joe biden, sunak is expected biden, rishi sunak is expected to redden— biden, rishi sunak is expected to reaffirm western support for ukraine— to reaffirm western support for ukraine de— to reaffirm western support for ukraine, as well— to reaffirm western support for ukraine, as well as addressing the ukraine, as well as addressing nne droning— ukraine, as well as addressing the growing threat from china. dunne— the growing threat from china. climate change— the growing threat from china. climate change and the negnddden— climate change and the regulation of- climate change and the regulation of ai football . and regulation of ai football. and 16 regulation of ai football. and de neede— regulation of ai football. and de people neve— regulation of ai football. and 16 people have been detained by czeen— 16 people have been detained by czeen pence— 16 people have been detained by czech police after— 16 people have been detained by czech police after fans clashed out czech police after fans clashed end enedd— czech police after fans clashed end enedd en— czech police after fans clashed out ahead of the— czech police after fans clashed out ahead of the europa conference— out ahead of the europa conference league final in prague.— conference league final in prague. three— conference league final in prague. three people are said to neve— prague. three people are said to ndve been— prague. three people are said to have been injured— prague. three people are said to have been injured when fiorentina_ have been injured when fiorentina fans attacked west den— fiorentina fans attacked west ham ennpenen— fiorentina fans attacked west ham supporters in a bar. fiorentina fans attacked west ham supporters in a bar . a ham supporters in a bar. a pence— ham supporters in a bar. a police officer— ham supporters in a bar. a police officer was also attacked . vddeee— police officer was also attacked . videos shared— police officer was also attacked . videos shared on— police officer was also attacked . videos shared on social media eewen— . videos shared on social media eewen fene— . videos shared on social media shows, fans throwing cafe chairs in de— shows, fans throwing cafe chairs in dne eneed— shows, fans throwing cafe chairs in the street here,— shows, fans throwing cafe chairs in the street here, the metropolitan - in the street here, the metropolitan police says the fence— metropolitan police says the fence nud— metropolitan police says the force will apologise if it's found— force will apologise if it's found that— force will apologise if it's found that people were wrongly deeded— found that people were wrongly arrested during— found that people were wrongly arrested during the king's coronation— arrested during the king's coronation six— arrested during the king's coronation six members of the end—nondneny— coronation six members of the anti—monarchy group republic nedd— anti—monarchy group republic were held for— anti—monarchy group republic were held for 16— anti—monarchy group republic were held for 16 hours before being— were held for 16 hours before being released— were held for 16 hours before being released without charge . being released without charge. sene— being released without charge. some volunteers— being released without charge. some volunteers from a

westminster— some volunteers from a westminster council safety eeennen— westminster council safety scheme were _ westminster council safety scheme were also caught up in the scheme were also caught up in dne 62— scheme were also caught up in nne ez neede— scheme were also caught up in the 62 people who were detained. dnenednde— the 62 people who were detained. nnenednde en— the 62 people who were detained. thousands of holidaymakers could be needed— thousands of holidaymakers could be effected by— thousands of holidaymakers could be affected by a— thousands of holidaymakers could be affected by a fresh wave of endee— be affected by a fresh wave of endee d— be affected by a fresh wave of strikes at heathrow airport this summer. more than 2000 security gende— summer. more than 2000 security dndnde non— summer. more than 2000 security gndnde from me— summer. more than 2000 security guards from the unite union have ennned dne— guards from the unite union have announced the dates of their need— announced the dates of their latest walkout— announced the dates of their latest walkout ,_ announced the dates of their latest walkout , which will be latest walkout, which will be nedd— latest walkout, which will be nedd denee— latest walkout, which will be held across 31— latest walkout, which will be held across 31 days between the enn— held across 31 days between the zenn en— held across 31 days between the zen on june— held across 31 days between the 24th of june and— held across 31 days between the 24th of june and the 27th of august — 24th of june and the 27th of needed. end— 24th of june and the 27th of august. that will cover the enn— august. that will cover the end on— august. that will cover the end on dne — august. that will cover the start of the school holidays as neu— start of the school holidays as wed de— start of the school holidays as wed de de— start of the school holidays as well as the august bank holiday weekend.— well as the august bank holiday weekend. and— well as the august bank holiday weekend. and unite says the dwnene— weekend. and unite says the airports priorities are all wond— airports priorities are all wrong end— airports priorities are all wrong and strikes will continue und— wrong and strikes will continue end d— wrong and strikes will continue end d new— wrong and strikes will continue nned d new new— wrong and strikes will continue until a fair pay offer is needed— until a fair pay offer is needed .— until a fair pay offer is reached . news from rome. and reached. news from rome. and pope— reached. news from rome. and none wande— reached. news from rome. and pope francis is— reached. news from rome. and pope francis is recovering from a pope francis is recovering from ddnnee— pope francis is recovering from ddnnee new— pope francis is recovering from a three hour long— pope francis is recovering from a three hour long operation in on an abdominal— a three hour long operation in on an abdominal hernia. the vddedn— on an abdominal hernia. the vddedn edwng— on an abdominal hernia. the vatican saying there were no complications— vatican saying there were no complications throughout the ewdew— complications throughout the ewgew end— complications throughout the surgery and that the pope will eddy— surgery and that the pope will ed in— surgery and that the pope will stay in hospital— surgery and that the pope will stay in hospital for several ddwe— stay in hospital for several dye to— stay in hospital for several days to recuperate. the 86 year old days to recuperate. the 86 year dd penden— days to recuperate. the 86 year old pontiff suffered a number of nedded— old pontiff suffered a number of medical setbacks— old pontiff suffered a number of medical setbacks recently , medical setbacks recently, enenddnd— medical setbacks recently, spending five _ medical setbacks recently, spending five days in hospital in weren— spending five days in hospital in march with— spending five days in hospital in march with a— spending five days in hospital in march with a lung infection

and— in march with a lung infection end we— in march with a lung infection end we weane— in march with a lung infection and two years ago, he had ewgew— and two years ago, he had ewgew en— and two years ago, he had ewgew en de— and two years ago, he had surgery on his intestine . surgery on his intestine. structural— surgery on his intestine. structural engineers are warning dd— structural engineers are warning dd d— structural engineers are warning dd d bedd— structural engineers are warning that a badly damaged dam in the eedn— that a badly damaged dam in the end on— that a badly damaged dam in the south of ukraine,— that a badly damaged dam in the south of ukraine, which has left dnewednde— south of ukraine, which has left dnewednde en— south of ukraine, which has left thousands of people without dew— thousands of people without their homes— thousands of people without their homes and businesses deeded,— their homes and businesses flooded, could— their homes and businesses flooded, could deteriorate dunner— flooded, could deteriorate dunner dn— flooded, could deteriorate further in the— flooded, could deteriorate further in the coming days. nweedd— further in the coming days. nweedd de— further in the coming days. russia is continuing to deny responsibility— russia is continuing to deny responsibility for the huge exndeeden— responsibility for the huge explosion that— responsibility for the huge explosion that ripped through the kakhovka_ explosion that ripped through the kakhovka dam in the early newe— the kakhovka dam in the early node on— the kakhovka dam in the early hours of yesterday morning. our eeewnw— hours of yesterday morning. our security editor— hours of yesterday morning. our security editor mark white has dnde— security editor mark white has me enedd— security editor mark white has this special report . " this special report. in tones and— this special report. in tones and villages along the dnipro valley, downstream from the kakhovka dam. this is a rapidly evolving catastrophe . more than evolving catastrophe. more than 80 towns and villages is in the direct path of the floodwaters are already being inundated , and are already being inundated, and it is a race to reach the most vulnerable, trapped by the rising waters , boats and high rising waters, boats and high sided vehicles have been commandeered to try to reach those affected . overnight, many

those affected. overnight, many people have moved to the top floors of their houses and even onto the roofs to escape the rising water. but even those elevated positions are far from safe with whole structures being lifted up and washed down stream . and as bad as the situation is now, structural engineers are warning it's likely to get far worse in the days ahead . and the worse in the days ahead. and the dam already breached and weakened, will continue to deteriorate with more of the dam wall likely to give way, sending even more flood water cascading down the dnipro river valley. power perhaps predictably, both sides are blaming each other for this manmade disaster. the ukrainian president, vladimir zelenskyy, said he was in no doubt this massive explosion caught on a cctv camera was the result of a russian detonated mine within the dam . russia, for

mine within the dam. russia, for its part, is blaming ukrainian artillery and missile fire for the breach . both the uk and us the breach. both the uk and us governments are leaning towards russian involvement in the explosion , but say they are explosion, but say they are still gathering and assessing all of the available intelligence . in the meantime, intelligence. in the meantime, the priority is of course, on the priority is of course, on the rescue efforts for an unfolding disaster here that's being felt more widely than just by the area's human population in the ukrainian held city of kherson, almost all of the animals within the local zoo have drowned . and elsewhere have drowned. and elsewhere along with the rescue of people , volunteers have been bringing pets and farm animals to safety . all of these rescue efforts are being hampered by the fact this is still an active war zone with sadly no pause in the fighting. russia russia accusing ukraine of launching drone strikes on the flooded russian

held town of kakhovka and ukraine, accusing russia of shelling flooded areas around the city of kherson . mark white the city of kherson. mark white . gb news you're up to date on tv , online and on the in app tv, online and on the in app with gb news. now back to dewbs & with gb news. now back to dewbs e co— with gb news. now back to dewbs e co .— & co. thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry right through till seven. alongside me, historian and gb news contributor david starkey and political commentator joe phillips. welcome both of you. haven't seen you for a while. it's good to see you again. one of my viewers has just said, where's peter hitchens? i don't see him anymore on dewbs& co. have you dumped i've not have you dumped him? i've not actually he'll coming actually known. he'll be coming up the days. so, yeah, up in the coming days. so, yeah, you tuned for that one. you can stay tuned for that one. get touch with me tonight. get in touch with me tonight. all usual ways. got lots all the usual ways. got lots coming up. everything from

prince migrant cruise prince harry to migrant cruise ships. of sentence . i ships. that kind of sentence. i can't help but a little bit when i was there because honestly, i say this often and i do feel it pretty much every day. the world is going mad, if you ask me. gb views gb news .com is the email address. or you can tweet me as usual at gb news. but of course you will be aware unless i don't know, you've been under a rock sleeping somewhere or whatever today, or quite frankly out there the but there enjoying the sun. but prince harry, he was in court again apparently almost again today, apparently almost had a breakdown and he was pressured by this and pressured by that. and i was asking last night whether or not people out there sympathy him . there had any sympathy for him. i was trying to explain my experience of having my privacy invaded. experience of having my privacy invaded . it didn't convert any invaded. it didn't convert any of you at all. but having seen a second day of it, are you sitting there today thinking, actually you do feel sorry for him? lots of the how do i say this nicely? criticism it's basically saying there's too much contradiction between what he says in his memoir, spire ,

he says in his memoir, spire, and what he basically says now when he's standing in the courtroom, he's all become, i'll start with you, actually, joe, it's all become a bit of a kind of soap opera now. do you have any sympathy for harry when you're watching all of this unfold? well, he's created a eedn— unfold? well, he's created a eoop oenp— unfold? well, he's created a eoop oped-ne- unfold? well, he's created a. soap opera,-he wants soap opera, michelle. he wants to soap opera, michelle. he wants oo—eoon— soap opera, michelle. he wants t0_soap open.- soap opera, michelle. he wants t0_soap oenen .- soap opera, michelle. he wants to_soap opera. i doi to star in the soap opera. i do newe— to star in the soap opera. i do nowe ewnpodw— to star in the soap opera. i do nowe ewnpoenw .— to star in the soap opera. i do have sympathy. i have sympathy for anybody— have sympathy. i have sympathy for anybody-has— have sympathy. i have sympathy for anybody has had their for anybody who has had their peneond— for anybody who has had their peneond end— for anybody who has had their personal and private information edoden— personal and private information stolen illegally— personal and private information stolen illegally ,_ personal and private information stolen illegally , as is the case stolen illegally, as is the case for nonw— stolen illegally, as is the case for nonw nonw— stolen illegally, as is the case for many, many people. i mean, you— for many, many people. i mean, you onw— for many, many people. i mean, you onw newe— for many, many people. i mean, you onw nowe oo— for many, many people. i mean, you only have to think of the parente— you only have to think of the ponenoe on— you only have to think of the parents of milly— you only have to think of the parents of milly dowler, whose her parents of milly dowler, whose new onone— parents of milly dowler, whose new onone we— parents of milly dowler, whose her phone was hacked after she nod— her phone was hacked after she nod been— her phone was hacked after she had been murdered . you know, had been murdered. you know, were— had been murdered. you know, onene one— had been murdered. you know, there are terrible— had been murdered. you know, there are terrible things. and i dinn— there are terrible things. and i ondnw one— there are terrible things. and i think the terrible— there are terrible things. and i think the terrible thing or the wowed— think the terrible thing or the woneo ondnd— think the terrible thing or the worst thing of— think the terrible thing or the worst thing of all is that oeeowee— worst thing of all is that because you— worst thing of all is that because you can't imagine where dneee— because you can't imagine where oneee eoonee— because you can't imagine where these stories have— because you can't imagine where these stories have come from, you— these stories have come from, you doee— these stories have come from, you doee nned— these stories have come from, you lose trust and— these stories have come from, you lose trust and faith in onoee— you lose trust and faith in onoee onet— you lose trust and faith in those that you— you lose trust and faith in those that you hold closest. woo-e— those that you hold closest. dnnde whoo— those that you hold closest. that's what i— those that you hold closest. that's what i was— those that you hold closest. that's what i was trying- those that you hold closest. that's what i was trying to explain to people. your family, you know, your closest friends, because where else could you know? so it's a very serious deede— know? so it's a very serious end— know? so it's a very serious

and de— , so it's a very serious issue and it's completely wrong, unnonwnooew. — issue and it's completely wrong, unfortunately. i— issue and it's completely wrong, unfortunately. i think harry has been— unfortunately. i think harry has been pending— unfortunately. i think harry has been parading his woes in nonde— been parading his woes in odd. noon— been parading his woes in public. poor me for such a long dne. — public. poor me for such a long dne. onene— public. poor me for such a long dne. dnene de— public. poor me for such a long time. there is very— public. poor me for such a long time. there is very little duode— time. there is very little public sympathy. you know , public sympathy. you know, wneonen— public sympathy. you know, whether his— public sympathy. you know, whether his recollections are due— whether his recollections are due on— whether his recollections are due on not— whether his recollections are true or not remains for the coun— true or not remains for the eown do— true or not remains for the court to decide. - true or not remains for the court to decide. but you know, ne-e— court to decide. but you know, ne-e ne— court to decide. but you know, he's he doesn't— court to decide. but you know, he's he doesn't seem to be able to move— he's he doesn't seem to be able to move on. this— he's he doesn't seem to be able to move on. this was happening a done,— to move on. this was happening a done, done— to move on. this was happening a done, dong nne— to move on. this was happening a long, long time ago— to move on. this was happening a long, long time ago . long, long time ago. but why enodd— long, long time ago. but why should you have to move on? that's the question that i would ask if someone has indeed been unlawful in their acts, if they have been going into voicemail or using private investigators in a way that they shouldn't, why should anyone have to move on? why should sit and on? why should you sit there and suck well, suck it up and go, well, actually, if it was two years ago, i'd have problem. but ago, i'd have a problem. but because two and a half because it's two and a half years ago, ten years, five years, won't i will get years, i won't i will just get over it. don't really watch over it. i don't really watch that one. but there has been quite a taboo, hasn't there, in terms of historically as well, in senior royals, in terms of senior royals, david, court rooms, david, being in court rooms, giving evidence in this it giving evidence in this way, it hasn't happened. i'm sure you're correct wrong, but

correct me if i'm wrong, but what about a century or so? what for about a century or so? yes and i mean, clearly in eonndeoe— “in; and i mean, clearly in complete different circumstances wnene— complete different circumstances wnene-wodd— complete different circumstances where would treated totally where they would treated totally ddnenendw— where they would treated totally differently-formal- differently with formal deference _ differently with formal deference , deference and to be blunt, deeded— deference and to be blunt, deeded-won- deference and to be blunt, largely with lying . deference and to be blunt,- largely-with lying . and largely got away with lying. and but largely got away with lying. and owolondnw— largely got away with lying. and dwolondnn de— largely got away with lying. and but think the harry thing is, but i think the harry thing is, is but i think the harry thing is, de o— but i think the harry thing is, is a phenomenon— but i think the harry thing is, is a phenomenon which is totally of is a phenomenon which is totally on ow— is a phenomenon which is totally on nne— is a phenomenon which is totally of our time and— is a phenomenon which is totally of our time and the— is a phenomenon which is totally of our time and the way i think doo— of our time and the way i think do do— of our time and the way i think we've got to understand it, it's a we've got to understand it, it's oeonddd— we've got to understand it, it's a conflict between— we've got to understand it, it's a conflict between two eonodeeew— a conflict between two completely different views of wnoo— completely different views of we de— completely different views of what is truth.— completely different views of what is truth. there's a wonderful— what is truth. there's a wonderful cartoon and the ideas been— wonderful cartoon and the ideas been weed,— wonderful cartoon and the ideas been used, like— wonderful cartoon and the ideas been used, like all— wonderful cartoon and the ideas been used, like all the best ddeoe— been used, like all the best ddeoe .— been used, like all the best ddeoe , de— been used, like all the best ideas , it's been— been used, like all the best ideas , it's been stolen, which ideas, it's been stolen, which is, ideas, it's been stolen, which de wow— ideas, it's been stolen, which de, you know— ideas, it's been stolen, which de, you know .— ideas, it's been stolen, which is, you know , the— ideas, it's been stolen, which is, you know , the standard. is, you know, the standard. i wid— is, you know, the standard. i wdd ewed— is, you know, the standard. i will swell. i— is, you know, the standard. i will swell. i will— is, you know, the standard. i will swell. i will tell the own— will swell. i will tell the own one— will swell. i will tell the truth, the whole truth, and noondnd— truth, the whole truth, and noendne od— truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. i will oed— nothing but the truth. i will oed ny— nothing but the truth. i will tell my truth,— nothing but the truth. i will tell my truth, but my tell my truth, nothing but my own— tell my truth, nothing but my nod and— tell my truth, nothing but my truth and the— tell my truth, nothing but my truth and the whole and the wnode — truth and the whole and the wnode on— truth and the whole and the wnode on no— truth and the whole and the whole of my truth . so help you whole of my truth. so help you dod— whole of my truth. so help you god dow— whole of my truth. so help you god now one— whole of my truth. so help you god. now this is— whole of my truth. so help you god. now this is harry, as it were , because— god. now this is harry, as it were , because he exactly what were, because he exactly what joe de— were, because he exactly what joe de eowdne— were, because he exactly what joe is saying, because he feels dd— joe is saying, because he feels one one— joe is saying, because he feels that this has— joe is saying, because he feels that this has happened, because he that this has happened, because ne neede— that this has happened, because he feels inside— that this has happened, because he feels inside him. he knows dnedde— he feels inside him. he knows dnedde nin— he feels inside him. he knows inside him. this— he feels inside him. he knows inside him. this has happened. but unfortunately— inside him. this has happened. but unfortunately , he's but unfortunately, he's confronted— but unfortunately, he's confronted with another version of confronted with another version on we — confronted with another version on we wetn—

confronted with another version of the truth, which is the wood— of the truth, which is the brutal version - of the truth, which is the brutal version of the truth, when— brutal version of the truth, wnden de— brutal version of the truth, which is establish it by cross—examination and evidence. and— cross—examination and evidence. and ne-e— cross—examination and evidence. and we got— cross—examination and evidence. and he's got facing— cross—examination and evidence. and he's got facing him one of our and he's got facing him one of deeded— and he's got facing him one of our greatest qc— and he's got facing him one of our greatest qc ,_ and he's got facing him one of our greatest qc , andrew green our greatest qc, andrew green end— our greatest qc, andrew green and green— our greatest qc, andrew green and green simply— our greatest qc, andrew green and green simply at each stage, edd— and green simply at each stage, edd sw— and green simply at each stage, said sir prince— and green simply at each stage, said sir prince harry. and by one— said sir prince harry. and by we wow— said sir prince harry. and by the way, prince— said sir prince harry. and by the way, prince harry got terribly— the way, prince harry got terribly confused. he thought the instruction— terribly confused. he thought the instruction was to address eowneed— the instruction was to address owned we no— the instruction was to address counsel as my lord, rather than to counsel as my lord, rather than do iwdde— counsel as my lord, rather than do iwdde .— counsel as my lord, rather than do judge . so— counsel as my lord, rather than do judge . so on— counsel as my lord, rather than to judge . so mr green suddenly to judge. so mr green suddenly dnde— to judge. so mr green suddenly finds himself— to judge. so mr green suddenly finds himself promoted to my word— finds himself promoted to my dond od— finds himself promoted to my dond ed edd— finds himself promoted to my lord at each point, green does dew— lord at each point, green does wew ednde— lord at each point, green does one very simple thing. he says. wed-e— one very simple thing. he says. ded-e dood— one very simple thing. he says. ded-e dood od— one very simple thing. he says. let's look at where— one very simple thing. he says. let's look at where this statement— let's look at where this statement might have come from. nonw— statement might have come from. harry de— statement might have come from. harry is convinced— statement might have come from. harry is convinced it was by nnone— harry is convinced it was by phone hacking.— harry is convinced it was by phone hacking. he will then show and ne— phone hacking. he will then show and ne enowe— phone hacking. he will then show and he shows in— phone hacking. he will then show and he shows in the minutest dedod— and he shows in the minutest dedod dnod— and he shows in the minutest detail that it— and he shows in the minutest detail that it came from a dance— detail that it came from a palace statement . it came from palace statement. it came from pwddnd— palace statement. it came from owddne dwo— palace statement. it came from putting two stories together. it don dow— putting two stories together. it came from day dare one say it. dne— came from day dare one say it. the restaurant— came from day dare one say it. the restaurant with whom he dined— the restaurant with whom he ddned dnde. — the restaurant with whom he dined this. in— the restaurant with whom he dined this. in other words, what woe— dined this. in other words, what youe dodnd— dined this. in other words, what youe dodnd de— dined this. in other words, what you're doing is you are reflecting— you're doing is you are reflecting this cult of feeling

dnde— reflecting this cult of feeling dnde wid— reflecting this cult of feeling this will not— reflecting this cult of feeling this will not stand in an endden— this will not stand in an english court- this will not stand in an english court of law. and it enowddn-d. — english court of law. and it shouldn't. you— english court of law. and it shouldn't. you should only be condemned— shouldn't. you should only be condemned when— shouldn't. you should only be condemned when there is evidence — condemned when there is evidence. and,- condemned when there is evidence. and, harry, i'm afraid , de— evidence. and, harry, i'm afraid , de nondeee— evidence. and, harry, i'm afraid , de nopdeee. — evidence. and, harry, i'm afraid , is hopeless. but— evidence. and, harry, i'm afraid , is hopeless. evidence. and, harry, i'm afraid , is hopeless . , is hopeless. but this is about all this judge has got to conclude is when it comes to the balance of probabilities, is it more probable that i don't know whatever story it is came from legitimate means? or is it more probable that actually some under hand business was a carer ? and i think that is a very dnnonond— ? and i think that is a very important point,— 7’ and i think that is a very important point, michel, because it's important point, michel, because we o— important point, michel, because we o de— important point, michel, because we d we o— important point, michel, because it's a it's a civil— important point, michel, because it's a it's a civil court, so nododw-e— it's a it's a civil court, so nododw-e going- it's a it's a civil court, so nobody's going to go to prison. i nobody's going to go to prison. . dndnd— nobody's going to go to prison. . did me— nobody's going to go to prison. i think the other— nobody's going to go to prison. i think the other interesting dndnd— i think the other interesting dine in— i think the other interesting thing in today's hearing was, done— thing in today's hearing was, done we..— thing in today's hearing was, jane kerr, who— thing in today's hearing was, jane kerr, who is— thing in today's hearing was, jane kerr, who is the mirror or dne— jane kerr, who is the mirror or was the mirror's— jane kerr, who is the mirror or was the mirror's royal editor, and— was the mirror's royal editor, and .— was the mirror's royal editor, and . end— was the mirror's royal editor, and . end .— was the mirror's royal editor, and i and ijust_ was the mirror's royal editor, and i and i just think that she ewen— and i and i just think that she was given quite— and i and i just think that she was given quite a— and i and i just think that she was given quite a lot of pressure, like- was given quite a lot of pressure, like , where did you pressure, like, where did you get— pressure, like, where did you ded dne— pressure, like, where did you get the stories— pressure, like, where did you get the stories from ? did you get the stories from? did you know— get the stories from? did you know wnene— get the stories from? did you know where the— get the stories from? did you know where the stories come ? you know where the stories come? you know,— know where the stories come? you know, we — know where the stories come? you know, we eowdd— know where the stories come? you know, we could talk— know where the stories come? you know, we could talk to any of our colleagues— know, we could talk to any of our colleagues out there in the newsroom. you have to be able to

say newsroom. you have to be able to eow woe— newsroom. you have to be able to eow you'e nod— newsroom. you have to be able to say you're not necessarily to dead— say you're not necessarily to newed your— say you're not necessarily to reveal your sources , but yes, it reveal your sources, but yes, it don dd— reveal your sources, but yes, it come from it came— reveal your sources, but yes, it come from it came from someone dod— come from it came from someone dnod .— come from it came from someone dnod . dwed— come from it came from someone dnod . dwed .— come from it came from someone that i trust . did— come from it came from someone that i trust . did she— come from it came from someone that i trust . did she know it that i trust. did she know it ddedde— that i trust. did she know it was illegal? we— that i trust. did she know it was illegal? we don't know. i did— was illegal? we don't know. i did eo— was illegal? we don't know. i did eo . — was illegal? we don't know. i think so . there's- was illegal? we don't know. i think so . there's a- was illegal? we don't know. i think so . “didzi dinning was illegal? we don't know. i think so . “idi dzididllyd dig think so. there's a really very there's a very important distinction . you're saying that distinction. you're saying that underhand equals illegal. it doesn't backstairs . gossip is doesn't backstairs. gossip is not illegal. somebody's talking out of turn is not illegal. the only thing that was any of these people were actually accused of that was illegal was phone tapping . in other words, they've tapping. in other words, they've not tapping. in other words, they've nod done— tapping. in other words, they've nod done in— tapping. in other words, they've not done in this— tapping. in other words, they've not done in this case,- “g in other words, they've not done in this case, aren't dew— not done in this case, aren't dew — not done in this case, aren't dnewe and— not done in this case, aren't they? “d: l. not done in this case, aren't they? ' “d: i “idi not done in this case, aren't they? “d: i they? and unfortunate there is astonishingly little evidence. but then when you think about it, how would there be evidence 7 it, how would there be evidence ? do you see what this is ? in ? do you see what this is? in other words, the again , other words, the again, michelle, think about it. the evidence has got to be, in a sense, negative what andrew green was able to show was that there were alternate lviv sources for all of these stories. in other words, the argument that i think, joe, to an extent that you and that the

prince are all putting forward, that these had to come from the illegal means of phone tapping is not sustained by the evidence. but all you've got to prove is that on the balance of probability, it did so yes, the law and this is no, no, no, no, you misunderstanding the balance of probability is overwhelmingly against the prince's position. he will say when the. but i have beeni he will say when the. but i have been . nod— he will say when the. but i have been i had the— he will say when the. but i have been i had the exact— he will say when the. but i have been i had the exact same- been i had the exact same dondeden— been i had the exact same barrister, david— been i had the exact same barrister, david sherborne, wno-e— barrister, david sherborne, who's prince— barrister, david sherborne, who's prince harry's guy. he was my guy- _ who's prince harry's guy. he was my guy- dwe— who's prince harry's guy. he was my guy- dwe deen— who's prince harry's guy. he was my guy. i've been through this exod— my guy. i've been through this exact same process with the neweoopen— exact same process with the newspaper group. we settled our owdedde— newspaper group. we settled our case outside of— newspaper group. we settled our case outside of court . i newspaper group. we settled our case outside of court. i had an apology— case outside of court. i had an opodoew dn— case outside of court. i had an opodoew in on— case outside of court. i had an apology in an open court where dew— apology in an open court where dnew oeeepded— apology in an open court where they accepted that they can i ask:— they accepted that they can i dew wnod— they accepted that they can i dew wnod de— they accepted that they can i ask, what is the— they accepted that they can i ask, what is the parallel ? ask, what is the parallel? what de— ask, what is the parallel? what was the issue— ask, what is the parallel? what was the issue ? pretty- ask, what is the parallel? kiwi; insidi 7’ pretty much ask, what is the parallel? kiwi; 7’ pretty much the was the issue? pretty much the exod— was the issue? pretty much the exact same thing.— , pretty much the exact same thing. mine on a much deee— exact same thing. mine on a much deee eede— exact same thing. mine on a much deee eede do— exact same thing. mine on a much lesser scale to what— exact same thing. mine on a much lesser scale to what prince deny-e— lesser scale to what prince deny-e nod. — lesser scale to what prince harry's had. so— lesser scale to what prince harry's had. so i- lesser scale to what prince harry's had. so i had very peneond— harry's had. so i had very personal information printed odowd— personal information printed odowd nne— personal information printed about me, about my private life , odowd— about me, about my private life , odowd ny— about me, about my private life , about my relationships at the eme— , about my relationships at the dime odowd— , about my relationships at the dime odowd o— , about my relationships at the time, about a pregnancy as well. at time, about a pregnancy as well. ad de— time, about a pregnancy as well. ad dne dne— time, about a pregnancy as well. at the time that— time, about a pregnancy as well. at the time that i— time, about a pregnancy as well. at the time that i firmly dedewed— at the time that i firmly believed there, they couldn't.

now— believed there, they couldn't. now wowdd— believed there, they couldn't. how would you— believed there, they couldn't. how would you have got that information?— how would you have got that information? how i didn't tell you— information? how i didn't tell wow de— information? how i didn't tell wow dne peon— information? how i didn't tell you the person involved didn't ded— you the person involved didn't ded you?— you the person involved didn't tell you? pretty— you the person involved didn't tell you? pretty much no one knew— tell you? pretty much no one knew odowd— tell you? pretty much no one knew about this. _ tell you? pretty much no one knew about this. and i went down— knew about this. and i went down wee— knew about this. and i went through years, years of what nonw— through years, years of what new wend— through years, years of what harry went through, which is nonnodd— harry went through, which is poonodo. ewd— harry went through, which is paranoia. but again , then then paranoia. but again, then then ded-e— paranoia. but again, then then ded-e dood— paranoia. but again, then then ded-e dood od— paranoia. but again, then then let's look at what— paranoia. but again, then then let's look at what your dondeden— let's look at what your barrister did,- let's look at what your barrister did, what your dondeden— barrister did, what your barrister .— barrister did, what your barrister. barrister was prince nonw-e— barrister. barrister was prince harry's barrister.— barrister. barrister was prince harry's barrister. exactly the eww. — harry's barrister. exactly the same guy. david— harry's barrister. exactly the same guy. david sherborne so wowe— same guy. david sherborne so wowe very— same guy. david sherborne so wowe wew nwen— same guy. david sherborne so you're very much on side with him:— you're very much on side with him, dwd— you're very much on side with him, but let's— you're very much on side with him, but let's just— you're very much on side with him, but let's just look at what he him, but let's just look at what ne ddd. — him, but let's just look at what ne did we— him, but let's just look at what he did. he showed— him, but let's just look at what he did. i : he did. he showed that presumably that there on presumably that there was on balance probability, no other balance of probability, no other way that information could have been right? yeah, been found. is that right? yeah, right . well, unfortunately, right. well, unfortunately, you're not listening to what's been going on because what is what i'm afraid the other barrister, what andrew green, is showing repeatedly that for showing repeatedly is that for every one of these stories, there were multiple alternative sources. but there were multiple alternative sources . but what the pushback sources. but what the pushback to sources. but what the pushback do dod— sources. but what the pushback do dnod de— sources. but what the pushback to that is, what— sources. but what the pushback to that is, what the— dzdis but what the pushback to that is, what the push, if dere— to that is, what the push, if dnene de— to that is, what the push, if dnene de no— to that is, what the push, if there is no push— to that is, what the push, if there is no push back, if it was as there is no push back, if it was we ednde— there is no push back, if it was we ednde oe— there is no push back, if it was as simple as that,— there is no push back, if it was as simple as that, because there is as simple as that, because there de no— as simple as that, because there de no ewen— as simple as that, because there de no owen baa,— as simple as that, because there is no push back, sure that is no push back, i'm sure that dere— is no push back, i'm sure that dnene-on— is no push back, i'm sure that there-an offer— is no push back, i'm sure that there-an offer to- is no push back, i'm sure that there an offer to settle there was an offer to settle owdedde— there was an offer to settle owdedde od— there was an offer to settle outside of court— there was an offer to settle outside of court and it was nonw— outside of court and it was new dod— outside of court and it was harry that was— outside of court and it was harry that was saying, don't harry that was saying, i don't

dndnd— harry that was saying, i don't dink-woe— harry that was saying, i don't dndnd-woe .— harry that was saying, i don't think-was i don't- harry that was saying, i don't think was i don't think think there was i don't think dere— think there was i don't think dnene — think there was i don't think dnene .— think there was i don't think there was. i think- think there was i don't think there was. : think there was i don't think there was. i think that would be very interesting because, you know, a part that we know, there is a part that we perhaps know about that perhaps don't know about that was there was some was there because there was some report months ago about report a few months ago about a settlement court between settlement out of court between harry and william for an invasion of privacy , maybe not invasion of privacy, maybe not related to this exact case, but that was done and dusted. now, harry has chosen to pursue this . and presumably at the same time, his brother and other members of the family were also subject to the same sort of intrusion. if he was standing up there as a spokesperson or as holding a beacon for people like you and all the other people who are not so famous as him, i think he'd have more credibility . obe d0 think he'd have more credibility . obe do you is he credible to you— . obe do you is he credible to wow od— . obe do you is he credible to wow dd nond— . obe do you is he credible to you at home? do— obe do you is he credible to you at home? do you sit there and— you at home? do you sit there and deed— you at home? do you sit there and deed onw— you at home? do you sit there and feel any sympathy? because i did. and feel any sympathy? because i did .— and feel any sympathy? because i did . wend— and feel any sympathy? because i did. i went through— and feel any sympathy? because i did. i went through all this deed— did. i went through all this deed-d— did. i went through all this deed-d do— did. i went through all this last-i do sit- did. i went through all this last-i do sit and- did. i went through all this last i do sit and look at last night. i do sit and look at de— last night. i do sit and look at we own— last night. i do sit and look at this court case— last night. i do sit and look at this court case and when i hear od— this court case and when i hear of de— this court case and when i hear some of the things— this court case and when i hear some of the things that he's eowdne— some of the things that he's eowdne, .— some of the things that he's eowdne, d do— some of the things that he's saying, i do feel— some of the things that he's saying, i do feel sympathy when he saying, i do feel sympathy when ne—eowe- saying, i do feel sympathy when ne—eowe dwd- he sits there and says, but ewnpodnw— he sits there and says, but sympathy enough to sympathy isn't enough to oonwded— sympathy isn't enough to convict-have. sympathy isn't enough to convict. - have have convict. yeah, but have you have you— convict. yeah, but have you have wow ewd— convict. yeah, but have you have

wow dwed— convict. yeah, but have you have you ever lived your— convict. yeah, but have you have you ever lived your life where eonedndnd— you ever lived your life where something personal about something deeply personal about you,— something deeply personal about wow, deepdw— something deeply personal about you, deeply personal, that has ned— you, deeply personal, that has real consequences to your life, noe— real consequences to your life, nee deen— real consequences to your life, has been made?— real consequences to your life, has been made? front page news. and— has been made? front page news. and wow— has been made? front page news. and wow eow— has been made? front page news. and wow eow wee.— has been made? front page news. and wow eow wee. .— has been made? front page news. and you say yes. i mean, of course, of course- and you say yes. i mean, of course, of course i have. but wow— course, of course i have. but wow don-d— course, of course i have. but wow don-d know— course, of course i have. but you don't know who's done it. no,— you don't know who's done it. do, no— you don't know who's done it. do, dwd— you don't know who's done it. no, no, but but— you don't know who's done it. no, no, but but that's my dweedon.— no, no, but but that's my question. you've said you've. answered—before. answered my question before. dwe— answered my question before. i've-finished— answered my question before. i've-finished-youl i've even finished giving you my dweedon.— i've even finished giving you my question-question- i've even finished giving you my question. question have i've even finished giving you my quedever question have i've even finished giving you my quedeverbeen|uestion have i've even finished giving you my quedever been going n have i've even finished giving you my quedever been going on have i've even finished giving you my quedever been going on ahave i've even finished giving you my quedever been going on a long you ever been going on a long dnee — you ever been going on a long dnee den.— you ever been going on a long dnee den. dwe— you ever been going on a long time? yes, i've gone- you ever been going on a long time? d/dii: g did“ you ever been going on a long time? dis 3 did“ you ever been going on a long time? dis ; id“ did“; time? yes, i've gone on as long as i want. it's my show. your invade— as i want. it's my show. your private information - it's my show. your private information is out on ded— private information is out on dned nond— private information is out on their front pages. and you sit dere— their front pages. and you sit deed-do— their front pages. and you sit there.-do not— their front pages. and you sit there. do not know who has there. you do not know who has done— there. you do not know who has doneldo— there. you do not know who has doneldo wow— there. you do not know who has donelto you until— there. you do not know who has done to you until you've done it to you until you've expeneneed— done it to you until you've experienced that level of ponnodo— experienced that level of paranoia about the people that you paranoia about the people that wow-and— paranoia about the people that wow-and dwed— paranoia about the people that you and trust respect you love. and trust and respect dnen — you love. and trust and respect dnen wndd— you love. and trust and respect them until you've— you love. and trust and respect them until you've experienced dod— them until you've experienced dnod, wow— them until you've experienced that, you isolate— them until you've experienced that, you isolate yourself from dnen. — that, you isolate yourself from dnen. dow— that, you isolate yourself from dnen. dow de— that, you isolate yourself from them. you are distant from them . it them. you are distant from them . d oddeede— them. you are distant from them . it affects everything in your dde. —wowwe- . it affects everything in your life._you've been| life. and unless you've been dere— life. and unless you've been deed-redw— life. and unless you've been there, really hard . did. di there, it's really hard. you're doing— there, it's really hard. you're doing my— there, it's really hard. you're doing my truth. you're doing . doing my truth. you're doing. you're doing triumph of you're doing the triumph of feeling . now what this case is feeling. now what this case is demonstrate ing conclusively is that the triumph of feeling is not enough. the triumph of feeling without evidence. i'll tell you the trial. i'll “d: 3d i'll

tell you the trial. i'll tell you— tell you the trial. i'll tell wow wnoee— tell you the trial. i'll tell you whose feelings have dnwnnned— you whose feelings have triumphed in— you whose feelings have triumphed in this particular eeenend. — triumphed in this particular segment. that— triumphed in this particular segment. that is my director deeowee— segment. that is my director because—aboutl segment. that is my director. because—about four because he's told me about four dnee— because he's told me about four dnee-dod— because he's told me about four dnee-dod do- because he's told me about four dnee-dod do do- because he's told me about four times-got to golal times that. i've got to go to a deed.— times that. i've got to go to a deed eo— times that. i've got to go to a deed eo .— times that. i've got to go to a break, so i will.— times that. i've got to go to a break, so i will. he can try den— break, so i will. he can try dnen d— break, so i will. he can try dnen d ne— break, so i will. he can try them if he got— break, so i will. he can try them if he got his way. we shall go them if he got his way. we shall do do— them if he got his way. we shall do do e— them if he got his way. we shall go do e deed— them if he got his way. we shall go to a break and— them if he got his way. we shall go to a break and i'll throw it open— go to a break and i'll throw it open-dwind- go to a break and i'll throw it open-during that- go to a break and i'll throw it open during that time. open to you during that time. wned— open to you during that time. wned do— open to you during that time. wned do wow— open to you during that time. what do you make to it? am i dwed— what do you make to it? am i dwed e— what do you make to it? am i dwed e udde— what do you make to it? am i just a little bit— what do you make to it? am i just a little bit deluded, deeddnd— just a little bit deluded, deeddne dn— just a little bit deluded, basking in feeling, my basking in the feeling, my feeding.— basking in the feeling, my feeling,-truth- basking in the feeling, my feeling, truth he's nodding feeling, my truth? he's nodding ewew— feeling, my truth? he's nodding ewew. .een-d— feeling, my truth? he's nodding ewew. .een-d eee— feeling, my truth? he's nodding away. can't see him. you away. you can't see him. you ded— away. you can't see him. you ded ne— away. you can't see him. you ded ne ed— away. you can't see him. you tell me at home— away. you can't see him. you tell me at home when i come deed.— tell me at home when i come deed-do— tell me at home when i come deed-do-dndo- tell me at home when i come back.-to-into with. tell me at home when i come back. to into with you back. lots to get into with you .-do— back. lots to get into with you .-do ded— back. lots to get into with you .-to talk about- back. lots to get into with you . to talk about pride. . i want to talk about pride. snowdd— . i want to talk about pride. should kids— . i want to talk about pride. should kids at— . i want to talk about pride. should kids at be getting should kids at school be getting dnwowed— should kids at school be getting involved speaking of should kids at school be getting involdifd speaking of should kids at school be getting involdif they're speaking of should kids at school be getting involdif they're involved; of should kids at school be getting involdif they're involved inf kids, if they're involved in dndnde— kids, if they're involved in things-knife- kids, if they're involved in things knife crime, the things like knife crime, the din— things like knife crime, the ddn ddeee— things like knife crime, the ddn one we— things like knife crime, the dirt grass up there, mate, enowdd— dirt grass up there, mate, enowdd wow— dirt grass up there, mate, should you as— dirt grass up there, mate, should you as a parent have to doee— should you as a parent have to doee your— should you as a parent have to lose your social— should you as a parent have to lose your social housing? of course . migrant— lose your social housing? of course . migrant well. course. migrant boats as well. won-d—see- course. migrant boats as well. won-d—see wowl course. migrant boats as well.| don't—see you in don't go anywhere. see you in dwe— don't go anywhere. see you in do conne— don't go anywhere. see you in do conning wn— don't go anywhere. see you in two. coming up, brace yourself for dew— two. coming up, brace yourself for dew dwo— two. coming up, brace yourself don dew dwo od— two. coming up, brace yourself for day two of harry's high eown— for day two of harry's high court testing— for day two of harry's high court testing as— for day two of harry's high court testing as we continue our eewedwe— court testing as we continue our exclusive coverage— court testing as we continue our exclusive coverage of his eeeewdd— exclusive coverage of his eeeewdd on— exclusive coverage of his assault on the- exclusive coverage of his assault on the british free ddeee— assault on the british free press express— assault on the british free press express checked more bombshells_ press express checked more bombshells like this using our new— bombshells like this using our new de— bombshells like this using our harry the first— bombshells like this using our harry the first who may have come from a voice mail. that's now— come from a voice mail. that's how dwe—

come from a voice mail. that's how dwe edwewe— come from a voice mail. that's how i've always seen him. i've never smoked a joint in that pub or in my father's house. so join me. samantha markle, lady colin cennded— me. samantha markle, lady colin cenoded end— me. samantha markle, lady colin campbell and jim— samantha markle, lady colin campbell and jim davidson for new-e— campbell and jim davidson for harry's evidence.— campbell and jim davidson for harry's evidence. the verdict dav— harry's evidence. the verdict dew dwo— harry's evidence. the verdict new dwo eondnd— harry's evidence. the verdict day two coming up on dan wootton dondedd— day two coming up on dan wootton donddnd. 9— day two coming up on dan wootton tonight 9 en.— day two coming up on dan wootton tonight 9 p-m- do— day two coming up on dan wootton tonight, 9 pm. to ii— day two coming up on dan wootton tonight, 9 pm. to 11 pm. only on

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wid— hello i'm michelle dewberry. i wddn wow— hello i'm michelle dewberry. i was with you until— hello i'm michelle dewberry. i was with you until 7:00,- hello i'm michelle dewberry. was with you until 7:00, but quite frankly, i think i might head off early. mike says, michelle, give it up. you've lost this one. the problem is that this new phenomenon in our nafion that this new phenomenon in our nation , everyone is concerned nation, everyone is concerned about feelings over facts. david is spot on. noel says you are unrealistic. michelle facts don't care about your feelings. they don't care about harry's ehhen they don't care about harry's either. hamble says, michelle, you're wrong . david is you're wrong. david is absolutely spot on, quite frankly. rah, rah, rah . yeah. frankly. rah, rah, rah. yeah. none of you. i could go on, but you get the gist. you all have precisely zero sympathy for poor harry. i've tried. i tried last night. i tried again tonight to try and convert you to my way of thinking . and you're all having thinking. and you're all having absolutely none of it. but if it wasn't harry, what about milly dowler's parents? well, i. i have sympathy for harry in this situation anyway. i know, but, i dn dwed— situation anyway. i know, but, i mean, i'm just asking- “ i know, but, i mean, i'm just asking the wdene — mean, i'm just asking the audience. and- mean, i'm just asking the audience. “d: d:did“ . audience. and anyway, i don't think it is. i'm not going to get back into this. i've got really important matters that i want to move on to, but for me

personally, it's not about facts over feelings. it's about if you know heart of heart know in your heart of heart of hearts, the people involved, you know, that that didn't come from anywhere. yes, you anywhere. you know it. yes, you might able cast iron might not be able to cast iron rock solid. prove it. but can you enough to say that you prove it enough to say that actually balance and probability it come anywhere it didn't come from anywhere else i else anyway? you know what? i could go on all day long, but you're all in disagreement with me. you what do i do me. are you guys? what do i do with you here? move on. with you here? i'll move on. that's what i'll do. a school in derbyshire. have you seen this? honestly, say often. honestly, i do. i say it often. world's gone anyway, kids world's gone mad. anyway, kids as young as told that as young as 11 were told that they into school in they could come into school in full drag if they wanted full blown drag if they wanted to. rainbows and all the rest of it express themselves for it to express themselves for a pride event . i got to say, there pride event. i got to say, there has been a bit of a backlash against this. i'll start with you on this, joe. the school itself has essentially rowed back from this. now they're not going to do it. they say basically, oh, yeah, we don't want to distract the kids that are doing gcses anyway, share your thoughts on it. do you think should even

think they should have even suggested this, done this in the first forcing first place? nobody's forcing them it. ithink first place? nobody's forcing them it. i think pride is them to do it. i think pride is a them to do it. i think pride is e wondenwd— them to do it. i think pride is a wonderful thing— d:di:d . i think pride is a wonderful thing and i d:did . i think pride is a wonderful thing and i think why?— a wonderful thing and i think wnwe-dd— a wonderful thing and i think why?-it allows- a wonderful thing and i think why? it allows people to why? because it allows people to be open— why? because it allows people to be open end— why? because it allows people to be open end owd— why? because it allows people to be open and out about their eexweddw— be open and out about their eexweddw .— be open and out about their sexuality . motty instead of sexuality. motty instead of newne— sexuality. motty instead of newnd do— sexuality. motty instead of having to worry and hide and deed— having to worry and hide and fear criminal— having to worry and hide and fear criminal prosecution . �*" fear criminal prosecution. if ewd— fear criminal prosecution. if someone but this- fear criminal prosecution. if someone but this is- fear criminal prosecution. if someone but this is a- fear criminal prosecution. if someone but this is a criminal, prosecute, then you don't get criminally prosecuted. now you don't. but you did— criminally prosecuted. now you don't. but you did it. - now you don't. but you did it. �*fddill don't. but you did it. well, wned-e— don't. but you did it. well, wned-e ded— don't. but you did it. well, what's that got to do with now? but because we've moved on so pride— but because we've moved on so nnde de— but because we've moved on so pnde de dood— but because we've moved on so pnde de eood e— but because we've moved on so pride is good ? well, i think pride is good? well, i think pride— pride is good? well, i think nnde de— pride is good? well, i think pnde de e— pride is good? well, i think pride is a good— pride is good? well, i think pride is a good thing. and i dink.— pride is a good thing. and i win, wed— pride is a good thing. and i think, well, i've— pride is a good thing. and i think, well, i've just said, why?— think, well, i've just said, why? do.— think, well, i've just said, why? do. dwd— think, well, i've just said, why? no, but you. did. why? no, but you. you've just ddd— why? no, but you. you've just told me why. because you've said so that people can come out without fear of prosecution. but you're not going to be prosecuted. lives moved on as you've concluded. you've just also concluded. so why to when i go get a why do i need to when i go get a tin of baked beans, be bombarded with why because it's with rainbows? why because it's ededdednd— with rainbows? why because it's celebrating everybody.- “�* eddy because it's celebrating everybody. it's edowd— | celebrating everybody. it's l edowd— dd-e about i mean, it's not. it's edededne— about i mean, it's not. it's celebrating a— about i mean, it's not. it's celebrating a tiny fraction of the which belong the population which i belong to. and i am fed up of what were alternative causes like gay rights, black rights, whatever,

being turned into a new compulsory mainstay team. i mean, you've talked about a school in derbyshire. i happened to bank with coots. i want to vomit when i see the queen's banker plaza tearing itself in rain. rich, dear listeners is non.— rain. rich, dear listeners is non. n— rain. rich, dear listeners is non. d wow— rain. rich, dear listeners is rich. if you don't- “ rich, dear listeners is rich. if you don't know that reference. basically he's deddnd— reference. basically he's deddne we— reference. basically he's telling us on— reference. basically he's telling us on the sly he's minded.— telling us on the sly he's minted, but— telling us on the sly he's minted, but. - telling us on the sly he's minted, but. e telling us on the sly he's minted, but. telling us on the sly he's- minted, but . but it just seems minted, but. but it just seems to me that what's what this is the bizarre thing we've decided that what was essentially 60s counterculture is now mainstream and is compelled free. we have this series of history, months of pride, days of whatever, and it seems to me simply to be wrong. it's as tiresome as, you know, having to stand up and salute flags. and it's actually much more damaging. but this is not much more damaging. but this is nod eonowdeow— much more damaging. but this is nod eonpwdeonw ed— much more damaging. but this is not compulsory at this— dt..“ :; “; but this is not compulsory at this school. were— not compulsory at this school. were deddnd— not compulsory at this school. we're talking about a school in oeddwende. — we're talking about a school in oeddwende. .— we're talking about a school in derbyshire. i don't— we're talking about a school in derbyshire. i don't let's if you dwd— derbyshire. i don't let's if you dwd eoww— derbyshire. i don't let's if you dwd eonw d— derbyshire. i don't let's if you dwd eonw d e— derbyshire. i don't let's if you but sorry if a school sorry fondne— but sorry if a school sorry forgive me— but sorry if a school sorry forgive me if— but sorry if a school sorry forgive me if a- but sorry if a school sorry forgive me if a school says eodnd— forgive me if a school says going do— forgive me if a school says we're going to have a pride day for enddden— we're going to have a pride day for children an— we're going to have a pride day for children an effectively it is for children an effectively it de . — for children an effectively it de . cen— for children an effectively it de . cen wow— for children an effectively it is. can you imagine if it had gone ahead? the one child who

doesn't turn up with painted toenails or whatever it is now ? toenails or whatever it is now? also, it seems to me parents should have, if you're religious. anyway, i was going to say, parents should have a moral choice on this. nobody is saying moral choice on this. nobody is eewdnd dd— moral choice on this. nobody is eewdne dd de— moral choice on this. nobody is saying it is compulsory.- moral choice on this. nobody is saying it is compulsory. i- dt.“did {.di id“ nobody is saying it is compulsory. i mean . de— saying it is compulsory. i mean . de dd— saying it is compulsory. i mean . de dd dere— saying it is compulsory. i mean .de dd dnede dn— saying it is compulsory. i mean , is it there in the— saying it is compulsory. i mean , is it there in the why do enddden— , is it there in the why do children who— , is it there in the why do children who .to - , is it there in the why do children who to schools be children who go to schools be edweeded— children who go to schools be edweeded on— children who go to schools be educated on, i— children who go to schools be educated on, i don't know, neeewdw. — educated on, i don't know, massively. why- educated on, i don't know, massively. eddy d:did educated on, i don't know,- massively. why do those children need to be involved in celebrating sexuality of celebrating the sexuality of adults? i'm it adults? i'm sorry, isn't it fondne— adults? i'm sorry, isn't it dodewe nne— adults? i'm sorry, isn't it forgive me, isn't- 3“ i'm sorry, isn't it forgive me, isn't it? actually, if forgive me, isn't it? actually, d-ed— forgive me, isn't it? actually, d-ed de— forgive me, isn't it? actually, if at the curriculum, if you look at the curriculum, a wededonldnde— if you look at the curriculum, a version this compulsory . i version of this is compulsory. i don-d— version of this is compulsory. i don-d newe— version of this is compulsory. i don-d newe ed— version of this is compulsory. i don't have at my— version of this is compulsory. i don't have at my fingertips what is? don't have at my fingertips what do dnede-e— don't have at my fingertips what do dnede-e e— don't have at my fingertips what is? there's a special term now for eoded— is? there's a special term now for social, sexual— is? there's a special term now for social, sexual or whatever it for social, sexual or whatever dd de. — for social, sexual or whatever it is. education— for social, sexual or whatever it is. education but being told enowd— it is. education but being told edowd dneee— it is. education but being told about these things is a ewdonedne— about these things is a surprising young age. and many nedende— surprising young age. and many nedende end— surprising young age. and many parents, and particularly of our ednnde— parents, and particularly of our ethnic minorities,— parents, and particularly of our ethnic minorities, find this ndodownddw— ethnic minorities, find this profoundly troubling . and in my profoundly troubling. and in my wew— profoundly troubling. and in my nondw— profoundly troubling. and in my nonddw eo— profoundly troubling. and in my view, rightly so .— profoundly troubling. and in my view, rightly so . the bacon view, rightly so. the bacon ween.— view, rightly so. the bacon deen dwd— view, rightly so. the bacon yeah, but so— view, rightly so. the bacon yeah, but so why why should why enowdd— yeah, but so why why should why should institute.— yeah, but so why why should why should institute. right? why my dweedon— should institute. right? why my dweedon do— should institute. right? why my dweedon do wow— should institute. right? why my question to you is, why should dneddwdone— question to you is, why should institutions be— question to you is, why should institutions be interfered in

any— institutions be interfered in enw wew— institutions be interfered in enw wew dn— institutions be interfered in any way in what is an intensely nedeoned— any way in what is an intensely personal matter?— any way in what is an intensely personal matter? okay. “idi idi personal matter? okay. there are sevend— personal matter? okay. there are several points to unpick here. let's start with the corporates and i completely agree with you that it and i completely agree with you thatitis and i completely agree with you that it is just like any sort of , 0h, that it is just like any sort of , oh, let's jump on that bandwagon , whether it's bandwagon, whether it's greenwashing, whether it's social mobility, whether it's whatever it is. and i completely agree with you that a lot of it is just stick up a banner. but doesit is just stick up a banner. but does it actually work in practise but i think in order to be less prejudice , it it's quite be less prejudice, it it's quite good that these things are out there and it's fun. it's a you don't have to be gay to go on a pride march. you don't have to be gay to get involved in the carnival atmosphere that in margate or brighton or wherever . and i think, are you comfortable ? i mean, i speak as comfortable? i mean, i speak as a gay— comfortable? i mean, i speak as eeew men— comfortable? i mean, i speak as eeew end— comfortable? i mean, i speak as e eew end we— d“ i mean, i speak as a gay man and we won't discuss the a gay man and we won't discuss dne dsswe— a gay man and we won't discuss dne od— a gay man and we won't discuss the issue of sexual— a gay man and we won't discuss the issue of sexual practises. ane— the issue of sexual practises. ade wow— the issue of sexual practises. are you comfortable with people dwnndnd— are you comfortable with people dwnndne wn— are you comfortable with people dwnndne we in— are you comfortable with people turning up in leather bondage deed— turning up in leather bondage deed d— turning up in leather bondage eeen d dese— turning up in leather bondage gear at these things? i mean, do you— gear at these things? i mean, do wow know— gear at these things? i mean, do

wow dnow wned— gear at these things? i mean, do wow dnow wnd .— gear at these things? i mean, do you know what i think? i think |, you know what i think? i think i, i you know what i think? i think d . dndnd— you know what i think? i think i, i think that's— you know what i think? i think i, i think that's a— you know what i think? i think i, i think that's a that's a i did— i, i think that's a that's a i did .— i, i think that's a that's a i think i that's— i, i think that's a that's a i think i that's a— i, i think that's a that's a i think i that's a good. �*fd“idi idi think i that's a good. where are dese— think i that's a good. where are these leather bondage things? which people turning up? i mean, dew— which people turning up? i mean, dew ene— which people turning up? i mean, dew dew— which people turning up? i mean, dew dew ene— which people turning up? i mean, they are they are regular participants in pride . and in participants in pride. and in other words, isn't it what i'm trying to say is this is a bizarre turning inside out of what should be personal and private experiences, which i mean , you were talking about the mean, you were talking about the business of sexual relations, of pregnancy and whatever. and what we've started to do and celeb culture as part of the reason for it, the whole business of social media, we started to turn ourselves inside out. i mean, once upon a time, you know, there were things that you couldn't possibly say everything to do with sex. now it's virtually compulsory. people are expected to talk about it openly and in a fashion. sorry, i forgot. and in a fashion. sorry, i doneod. dve— i“ did“ sorry, i forgot. i've forgotten what the dwesdon— forgot. i've forgotten what the dwesdon wes— forgot. i've forgotten what the question was, what it was he's eednd— question was, what it was he's esdne wow— question was, what it was he's esdne wow ee— question was, what it was he's asking you are you comfortable den— asking you are you comfortable den seede— asking you are you comfortable then seeing you're talking about pride— then seeing you're talking about pnde nndenes— then seeing you're talking about pride marches. when you see men dneesed— pride marches. when you see men dneseed dn— pride marches. when you see men dneseed in on— pride marches. when you see men dressed in or indeed— pride marches. when you see men dressed in or indeed women here? oh dressed in or indeed women here? on ween.— dressed in or indeed women here? on ween women— dressed in or indeed women here?

oh yeah, women fetish gear, deven— oh yeah, women fetish gear, deven sed— oh yeah, women fetish gear, deven eed wn— oh yeah, women fetish gear, lever. get up. all— oh yeah, women fetish gear, lever. get up. all the rest of it lever. get up. all the rest of d wdd— lever. get up. all the rest of it with children _ lever. get up. all the rest of it with children wandering eond— it with children wandering around with— it with children wandering around with large with large penises— around with large with large pendses wdd— around with large with large penises with that that extra, dd— penises with that that extra, that extraordinary. that the seed — that extraordinary. that the extra. well, let me answer the question. i've never seen anyone nodd— question. i've never seen anyone oodd d— question. i've never seen anyone oodd d e— question. i've never seen anyone oodd d e pride— question. i've never seen anyone dodi at a pride march— 2“ i've never seen anyone dodi at a pride march or a pride evend— dodi at a pride march or a pride evend wedde— dodi at a pride march or a pride event wearing large penises. they— event wearing large penises. dnew new— event wearing large penises. dnew new neve— event wearing large penises. they may have large penises, but i they may have large penises, but . neve— they may have large penises, but . neve neven— they may have large penises, but i have never seen— they may have large penises, but i have never seen them on ddendew— i have never seen them on ddsndew .— i have never seen them on ddsndew . and— i have never seen them on display . and just this thing display. and just this thing enowd— display. and just this thing edowd dnee— display. and just this thing edowd dned. .— display. and just this thing about drag, i think this is a doe— about drag, i think this is a wnode nod— about drag, i think this is a whole not absence that's being divided— whole not absence that's being whipped wn— whole not absence that's being whipped we. we— whole not absence that's being whipped up. we have pantomime deee— whipped up. we have pantomime deee we— whipped up. we have pantomime dames. we have— whipped up. we have pantomime dames. we have ,_ whipped up. we have pantomime dames. we have , you know, a dames. we have, you know, a ndedonw— dames. we have, you know, a ndsdonw wnene— dames. we have, you know, a history where men dressed as women because— history where men dressed as women because women weren't edowed— women because women weren't eddowed do— women because women weren't eddowed do de— women because women weren't allowed to be actors in order to neve— allowed to be actors in order to neve nendonn— allowed to be actors in order to have perform in— allowed to be actors in order to have perform in shakespeare's plays— have perform in shakespeare's plays end— have perform in shakespeare's plays end nenw— have perform in shakespeare's plays and many other plays. dneesdnd— plays and many other plays. onessdne wn— plays and many other plays. onessdne we .— plays and many other plays. dressing up, dressing up for wond— dressing up, dressing up for wondd nood— dressing up, dressing up for world book day . did. iddids world book day. you have mrs. doubtfire as well , right? so. doubtfire as well, right? so. yes. hang on. but there is a yes. yes hang on. but there is a monumental difference . so the monumental difference. so the things you're talking about, pantomime things you're talking about, pantallime things you're talking about, pantall the rest of it, when you and all the rest of it, when you look at things like of look at things like some of these acts that are these drag queen acts that are going children, you know, going to children, you know, parents their to parents taking their kids to these drag, that's not this this is dressed sexualised

is men dressed as sexualised women sexualised women often doing sexualised activity, gyrating and all the rest of it. it's appalling, if you ask me. and i think there's something not quite right upstairs. if you take your kids to those events. but it's people's choice and it's on television. you know, people wden— television. you know, people wden wden — television. you know, people watch, watch, drag- did“ you know, people watch, watch, drag race drag wooden.— watch, watch, drag race drag program. blimey, we program. they they blimey, we wene-oennw- program. they they blimey, we were-danny la- program. they they blimey, we were danny la rue when were watching danny la rue when nevdd— were watching danny la rue when nevdd-wene— were watching danny la rue when david -were young. - were watching danny la rue when david were young. �*ifddill david and i were young. well, indeed.— david and i were young. well, indeed-dd— david and i were young. well, indeed. .that was- david and i were young. well, indeed. that was again danny indeed. but that was again danny la rue was in many ways desexualised . i mean, the, the desexualised. i mean, the, the extraordinary thing that of course did become very popular was lily savage. i don't know whether you ever went to the black cap. i did. you've never heard such a stream? a very funny. if you're a gay man and. very unfair . funny. if you're a gay man and. very unfair. funny is the word very unfunny. it's put into a different context of a school . different context of a school. well, well. and i mean, i. i'm like, let me make a confession . like, let me make a confession. i'm astonished at a very quick edonessdon— i'm astonished at a very quick confession because i'm i'm esdondsned— confession because i'm i'm astonished at— confession because i'm i'm astonished at this. i'm astonished— astonished at this. i'm astonished at- astonished at this. i'm astonished at listening to myself sounding like an old prude. but it does seem to me that this aggressive and

deliberate sexualization of children is profoundly danger. it's profoundly damaging , and we it's profoundly damaging, and we are reaping terrible consequences. i are reaping terrible consequences . i have to say, consequences. i have to say, i ddnee— consequences. i have to say, i ednee wid— consequences. i have to say, i eenee wdd wow— consequences. i have to say, i eenee wdd wow on— consequences. i have to say, i agree with you on that- dcdid i have to say, i agree with you on that one. i vend— agree with you on that one. i wend do— agree with you on that one. i want to throw— agree with you on that one. i want to throw that open to you at want to throw that open to you d none— want to throw that open to you d none ee— want to throw that open to you at home as well. _ want to throw that open to you at home as well. i— want to throw that open to you at home as well. i think it's dnoed— at home as well. i think it's dnoed e— at home as well. i think it's almost a little— at home as well. i think it's almost a little bit embarrassing, actually. the seond— embarrassing, actually. the seond de— embarrassing, actually. the second the clock strikes, the eden— second the clock strikes, the eden od— second the clock strikes, the start of pride,— second the clock strikes, the start of pride, organisations sen-d— start of pride, organisations send-deve— start of pride, organisations can't there enough start of pride, organisations. can't-there-enough , can't get there quick enough, onende— can't get there quick enough, onenee ddn— can't get there quick enough, change their logos, get out ddn— change their logos, get out their statements, their their statements, put up their deee. —needw| their statements, put up their deee. —needw .i flags. it's almost like ready, set:— flags. it's almost like ready, sed-wow— flags. it's almost like ready, set,-you you're- flags. it's almost like ready, set, you you're not set, go. oh, you you're not dwed— set, go. oh, you you're not dwed enowdd— set, go. oh, you you're not quick enough and mentions, quick enough. and joe mentions, by-people_ quick enough. and joe mentions, dw-neonde conde- quick enough. and joe mentions, by people coming out by the way, people coming out end— by the way, people coming out end newne— by the way, people coming out end nevdnd no— by the way, people coming out and having no fear of being enndnedw— and having no fear of being criminally prosecuted. makes criminally prosecuted. it makes me criminally prosecuted. it makes nnennen-w— criminally prosecuted. it makes me many organisations me laugh. so many organisations edednddnd— me laugh. so many organisations celebrating pride— me laugh. so many organisations celebrating pride in this eowndw— celebrating pride in this eowndnw-wow- celebrating pride in this. country-you-be celebrating pride in this- country-you-be gay but country where you can be gay but nendndnd— country where you can be gay but remaining absolutely schtum in eowdnee— remaining absolutely schtum in eowndee-dd— remaining absolutely schtum in countries-it would- remaining absolutely schtum in countries it would make a countries where it would make a dddenenee— countries where it would make ai difference,_peddle difference, where they do peddle ddn— difference, where they do peddle den—dwess- difference, where they do peddle their_ guess what? - their wares. but guess what? they— their wares. but guess what? dew-de - their wares. but guess what? dew-de pride- their wares. but guess what? they the pride flags they don't put the pride flags up they don't put the pride flags wn dene. — they don't put the pride flags we dene. wnw— they don't put the pride flags up there. why not? i wonder if dew— up there. why not? i wonder if dew needw— up there. why not? i wonder if dew needdw do— up there. why not? i wonder if they really do care gay they really do care about gay nonde— they really do care about gay weds-ded— they really do care about gay rights.-tell me- they really do care about gay rights. tell me anyway. rights. you tell me anyway. dood— rights. you tell me anyway. dood-dve— rights. you tell me anyway.j look, - live - social look, if you live in a social nowsdnd— look, if you live in a social housing apartment, flat, wndeven— housing apartment, flat, whatever should you be at risk of whatever should you be at risk on eeddnd— whatever should you be at risk of getting turfed_ whatever should you be at risk of getting turfed out? if your kid of getting turfed out? if your dd de— of getting turfed out? if your kid is involved— of getting turfed out? if your kid is involved with knives and knife— kid is involved with knives and knife nne— kid is involved with knives and knife crime but— kid is involved with knives and knife crime but doesn't grass up eeneedndone— knife crime but doesn't grass up

eeneednedons od— knife crime but doesn't grass up perpetrators of crime? your dowdndee— perpetrators of crime? your thoughts? see _ perpetrators of crime? your thoughts? see you

people's channel. britain is watching . hello there. i'm watching. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry- i“ “d: i'm michelle dewberry with you until doo— michelle dewberry with you until doe donddnd— michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight alongside my ndsdonen— 7:00 tonight alongside my historian and— 7:00 tonight alongside my historian and gb news contributor— historian and gb news contributor david starkey and eoddeed— contributor david starkey and political commentator joe ddddee— political commentator joe phillips. albert says, i am gay end— phillips. albert says, i am gay end dn— phillips. albert says, i am gay end dn ded— phillips. albert says, i am gay end dn ded we— phillips. albert says, i am gay and i'm fed up with pride. it's deeone— and i'm fed up with pride. it's become more— and i'm fed up with pride. it's become more and— and i'm fed up with pride. it's become more and more political. dod— become more and more political. dosd eoeenes— become more and more political. most companies having their deddee— most companies having their dedees wdd— most companies having their badges with pride colours badges with the pride colours desdeedw— badges with the pride colours desdeedw do— badges with the pride colours basically to just— badges with the pride colours basically to just feel fashionable- basically to just feel fashionable . it's hypocrisy, he fashionable. it's hypocrisy, he sews.— fashionable. it's hypocrisy, he sews. and— fashionable. it's hypocrisy, he sews. and ne— fashionable. it's hypocrisy, he says. and he stopped going to ende— says. and he stopped going to wide eesd— says. and he stopped going to pride events many, many years eeo. — pride events many, many years eeo. down— pride events many, many years ago. your thoughts on that , ago. your thoughts on that, enwonee— ago. your thoughts on that, anyone? hello— ago. your thoughts on that, anyone? hello are you out there? do anyone? hello are you out there? no wow— anyone? hello are you out there? no wow ended— anyone? hello are you out there? do you exist? do— anyone? hello are you out there? do you exist? do you think? ddwedw— do you exist? do you think? actually, what _ do you exist? do you think? actually, what we're talking enowd— actually, what we're talking edowd de— actually, what we're talking edowd is e— actually, what we're talking about is a good— actually, what we're talking about is a good thing? joe doeen-d— about is a good thing? joe doesn't actually see the problem wid— doesn't actually see the problem wdd e— doesn't actually see the problem wdd e dod— doesn't actually see the problem wdd e dod od— doesn't actually see the problem with a lot of it.— doesn't actually see the problem with a lot of it. do— doesn't actually see the problem with a lot of it. do you agree wid— with a lot of it. do you agree wdd ded— with a lot of it. do you agree with that? get— with a lot of it. do you agree with that? get in— with a lot of it. do you agree with that? get in touch. if you do.— with that? get in touch. if you do. dedw— with that? get in touch. if you do. dedw sews— with that? get in touch. if you do. kathy says, gosh, please, we dwed— do. kathy says, gosh, please, can we just let— do. kathy says, gosh, please, can we just let kids be kids need— can we just let kids be kids need neve— can we just let kids be kids here? here to— can we just let kids be kids here? here to that. get this here? here to that. now get this a here? here to that. now get this e dedown— here? here to that. now get this a labour councillor— here? here to that. now get this a labour councillor speaking sne— a labour councillor speaking ne— a labour councillor speaking ne-nw- a labour councillor speaking since he-my eye.- a labour councillor speaking since he my eye. so he since he caught my eye. so he dd.— since he caught my eye. so he did-sewing—

since he caught my eye. so he did. saying actually that did. he's saying actually that denddes— did. he's saying actually that families should— did. he's saying actually that families should evicted if families should be evicted if ddn— families should be evicted if den-don-d— families should be evicted if their-don't grass- families should be evicted if their don't grass on people their kids don't grass on people in ddn— their kids don't grass on people in their circle— their kids don't grass on people in their circle who've committed dnde— in their circle who've committed dnde onenes— in their circle who've committed knife crimes. this— in their circle who've committed knife crimes. this is darren nodwed. — knife crimes. this is darren nodwed. ne— knife crimes. this is darren rodwell. he basically says we neve— rodwell. he basically says we neve do— rodwell. he basically says we neve do dood— rodwell. he basically says we have to look at— rodwell. he basically says we have to look at tenancy agreements.— have to look at tenancy agreements. if these kids, the denddes— agreements. if these kids, the families refuse— agreements. if these kids, the families refuse to— agreements. if these kids, the families refuse to speak out. i find— families refuse to speak out. i dnd dds— families refuse to speak out. i find this quite— families refuse to speak out. i find this quite interesting and i find this quite interesting and . ded— find this quite interesting and . 9d d.— find this quite interesting and . 9d d. .— find this quite interesting and i get it. i think— find this quite interesting and i get it. i think of olivia pratt—korbel_ i get it. i think of olivia pratt—korbel .- i get it. i think of olivia pratt—korbel . we covered that pratt—korbel. we covered that sdonw— pratt—korbel. we covered that sdonw e— pratt—korbel. we covered that sdonw e done— pratt—korbel. we covered that story a long time— pratt—korbel. we covered that story a long time , desperate, story a long time, desperate, dwind— story a long time, desperate, dnwdne do— story a long time, desperate, trying to appeal— story a long time, desperate, trying to appeal to communities to trying to appeal to communities do dnees— trying to appeal to communities do enese we— trying to appeal to communities do enese we wnd— trying to appeal to communities to grass up what they knew . they to grass up what they knew. they knew— to grass up what they knew. they knew eeoede— to grass up what they knew. they knew people knew— to grass up what they knew. they knew people knew who was dnvodved— knew people knew who was involved in— knew people knew who was involved in crimes like this, end— involved in crimes like this, end dew— involved in crimes like this, and they didn't— involved in crimes like this, and they didn't tell not just dd— and they didn't tell not just dd nne— and they didn't tell not just that crime loads of different ddnee-dd.— that crime loads of different crimes-it. so- that crime loads of different crimes-it. so if- that crime loads of different crimes it. so if you live crimes like it. so if you live in soded— crimes like it. so if you live in social housing, you're one of den. — in social housing, you're one of den. dowde— in social housing, you're one of them. you're sheltering these eeoede— them. you're sheltering these eeoede. wow-ne— them. you're sheltering these people, you're grassing people, you're not grassing on den. — them. you're you're halting enoeeeddnds— them. you're you're halting proceedings is— them. you're you're halting proceedings is going the proceedings is going in the ddneedon— proceedings is going in the direction that— proceedings is going in the direction that should direction that they should snowdd — direction that they should should-able- direction that they should should - able to . direction that they should should able to keep direction that they should - should-able to keep your should you be able to keep your eownd— should you be able to keep your council-well,— should you be able to keep your council-well,lwas- council house? well, i was enowdd— council house? well, i was wowed-d— council house? well, i was brought-i don't- council house? well, i was brought d:did“ . council house? well, i was- brought-i don't know. how brought up. i don't know. how were brought up on a council were you brought up on a council estate? was. i was. and this estate? i was. i was. and this is obviously a very long time ago. ancient. but there ago. i'm very ancient. but there there level of there was a profound level of social it was social discipline. it was maintained essentially by the women . the were including women. the women were including my mother. they were like figures out of coronation

street. you remember ena street. do you remember ena sharples? do like this. oh, sharples? i do like this. oh, they they were like, �* d:did l oh, they they were like, sorry, i'm dodg— they they were like, sorry, i'm doing dn— they they were like, sorry, i'm done d-n dodg— they they were like, sorry, i'm doing i'm doing drag, i'm doing . dn— doing i'm doing drag, i'm doing . dn dodg— doing i'm doing drag, i'm doing . d-n dodne onee— doing i'm doing drag, i'm doing , i'm doing drag joe. d:did “; , i'm doing drag joe. i'm doing dnee— , i'm doing drag joe. i'm doing dnee. dve— , i'm doing drag joe. i'm doing drag. i've actually done drag on tv once for, for a channel 4 ident. that's an but but but no but the, the important thing is there was a high level of social discipline maintained by the families there to have a garden that was unkempt. your neighbours. it wasn't a question of as it were, the police being involved. we had a single criminal family on the estate. i remember their name. they were called capstick and they were socially shunned . now what's socially shunned. now what's happened since this is happened is, since this is 19405, 50, happened is, since this is 1940s, 50, early 60s, since then we've decided stigma is a bad thing. we don't believe in it. we don't believe in social rules anymore. we believe that people have got rights and they have no duties. and i'm afraid we're reaping the consequences. and we're also reaping the consequences of something else . consequences of something else. because we were told to be quiet, i will shut up after saying this the deliberate

saying this of the deliberate importation a quasi gangster importation of a quasi gangster culture, you were talking about the business of grassing up. we know elements of it. i mean, there were native gangster cultures in britain in major cities , but there's been cities, but there's been a general spread of a kind of jafaican sub. all this business of look at look at virtually every pair of young men appearing on social media. you will see it. oh, well, i look at od— will see it. oh, well, i look at some of these— will see it. oh, well, i look at some of these kids— as . oh, well, i look at some of these kids appearing on soded— some of these kids appearing on eodd nedde— some of these kids appearing on social media who— some of these kids appearing on social media who think the eenesdene. — social media who think the eenesdene. .— social media who think the gangsters. i just want to tell den — gangsters. i just want to tell den do— gangsters. i just want to tell den do ewd— gangsters. i just want to tell them to pull their trousers up. and— them to pull their trousers up. and .— them to pull their trousers up. and . dood— them to pull their trousers up. and . dood d— them to pull their trousers up. and i look at them and i just and i look at them and ijust ddnd— and i look at them and ijust ddnd wow-ne— and i look at them and ijust think you're supposed to be part of-phenomenon.- think you're supposed to be part. of-phenomenon.-you of the same phenomenon. now you wed— of the same phenomenon. now you wed done— of the same phenomenon. now you wed done wdd— of the same phenomenon. now you walk along with your trousers down— walk along with your trousers. down—remember walk along with your trousers don saying, remember walk along with your trousers donsaying, snitches remember walk along with your trousers don saying, snitches getnember the saying, snitches get sddenes— the saying, snitches get stitches and _ the saying, snitches get stitches and i- the saying, snitches get stitches and i think there is a deen— stitches and i think there is a deen-dds— stitches and i think there is a fear that's completely fear culture that's completely end— fear culture that's completely and-enw,— fear culture that's completely end-know. .— fear culture that's completely and-know, i can- fear culture that's completely and know, i can understand and you know, i can understand wnd— and you know, i can understand wnd dds— and you know, i can understand what this darren— and you know, i can understand what this darren rodwell is dwind— what this darren rodwell is dnwdne do— what this darren rodwell is dnwdne do sew— what this darren rodwell is dnwdne do sew .— what this darren rodwell is trying to say , but it's not the trying to say, but it's not the way— trying to say, but it's not the wew do— trying to say, but it's not the wew do do— trying to say, but it's not the way to go about— trying to say, but it's not the way to go about it. '“d: way to go about it. and i think, you— way to go about it. and i think, you know, the point you made about olivia pratt—korbel, the woman who eventually brought that killer to justice, will have to live a completely

different life and witness protection for all of her life. that was incredibly brave to do. she's a grown woman. she may be a mother. i don't i don't know the details. but, you know, she did it. and very huge credit to her. but her life is changed irrevocably to ask children who are perhaps frightened because there are gangs hanging around , there are gangs hanging around, threatening them on the way to school is a completely different thing. to then threaten families with basically eviction because perhaps 113 year old, 14 year old won't snitch is utterly ludicrous. david is right when he talks about that sense of community and that sense of community and that sense of community within estates. but of course, we don't have council estates like we used to have because all the council houses got sold off where you do have estates, they are run in a completely different way. they might be housing associations , might be housing associations, housing associations, they might

be other ways of being organised and those sort of community things like park keepers, the local bobby, the people who kept a general eye on stuff aren't there anymore. and you've got children , young children children, young children carrying knives because they are frightened that they are going to need because they enjoy doing it. no , david, no, no, no, no. it. no, david, no, no, no, no. wedd— it. no, david, no, no, no, no. nevdd. dn— it. no, david, no, no, no, no. david, i'm sorry— it. no, david, no, no, no, no. david, i'm sorry .— c no, david, no, no, no, no. david, i'm sorry. there are eeoede— david, i'm sorry. there are people absolutely. it is not eonnw— people absolutely. it is not sonnw wowve— people absolutely. it is not sorry you've taught you've dewdnd— sorry you've taught you've dewdnd e— sorry you've taught you've taught a lot.— sorry you've taught you've taught a lot. there are a lot of eeoede— taught a lot. there are a lot of eeoede wno— taught a lot. there are a lot of people who love— taught a lot. there are a lot of people who love the gangster ewddwne. — people who love the gangster ewddwne. dd— people who love the gangster culture. it gives— people who love the gangster culture. it gives them power. it gives— culture. it gives them power. it edvee den— culture. it gives them power. it edvee den e— culture. it gives them power. it gives them a sense of authority. and— gives them a sense of authority. and eve— gives them a sense of authority. and dod— gives them a sense of authority. and we've got to— gives them a sense of authority. and we've got to find a way of wedde— and we've got to find a way of needing dd.— and we've got to find a way of breaking it. now,— and we've got to find a way of breaking it. now, what was with wnd— breaking it. now, what was with wnd ne-s— breaking it. now, what was with what he's saying? e what he's saying? i think it's absolute not licence to say that absolute not licence to say that a year old who is frightened a 12 year old who is frightened and thinks that they've got to carry a knife is enjoying. but do you think there are- tiy “; but do you think there are perhaps a deed— do you think there are perhaps a different collection of. yes, deeewse— different collection of. yes, because-that- different collection of. yes,- because -that there'll because i'm sure that there'll because i'm sure that there'll be deve-d— because i'm sure that there'll be there'll be— because i'm sure that there'll be there'll be some 12 year olds dd— be there'll be some 12 year olds dd ee— be there'll be some 12 year olds dd ddne— be there'll be some 12 year olds that are being hoodwinked. deve-d— that are being hoodwinked. there'll_be- that are being hoodwinked. there'll_be thei there'll be there'll be the eowen— there'll be there'll be thej power,_those. power, there'll be those. there are power, there'll be those. there eneee- dens— power, there'll be those. there are as there always are people as there have always been people like the idea of

been people who like the idea of being in a gang. and we know very whether that's teddy very well whether that's teddy boys beatniks or whether boys and beatniks or whether it's rockers or whether it's mods and rockers or whether it's mods and rockers or whether it's whatever gang is, has it's mods and rockers or whether it'sappealier gang is, has it's mods and rockers or whether it's appeal and ang is, has it's mods and rockers or whether it'sappeal and angattractionas it's mods and rockers or whether it'sappeal and angattraction .; it's mods and rockers or whether it'sappeal and angattraction . and an appeal and an attraction. and particularly in areas where there's ju ju there's so much this is ju ju you're being naive. this has become utterly— “; this has become utterly pervasive and wddendw— become utterly pervasive and utterly destructive . and we've utterly destructive. and we've got utterly destructive. and we've dod do— utterly destructive. and we've eod do find— utterly destructive. and we've eod do dnd e— utterly destructive. and we've got to find a way— utterly destructive. and we've got to find a way of breaking it. got to find a way of breaking dd. and— got to find a way of breaking dd. and dn— got to find a way of breaking it. and i'm deeply impressed by this it. and i'm deeply impressed by dds-ddne— it. and i'm deeply impressed by this-daringlsay- it. and i'm deeply impressed by this daring say this , this man daring to say this, dd— this man daring to say this, dd dds— this man daring to say this, dd dds venw— this man daring to say this, that it's very striking if you edwedw— that it's very striking if you actually look— that it's very striking if you actually look at— that it's very striking if you actually look at what the weed— actually look at what the typical response from people wde— typical response from people dde wow— typical response from people dde wow nee— typical response from people like you has been, it has been, on.— like you has been, it has been, on. de— like you has been, it has been, on. dds de— like you has been, it has been, oh, this is due— like you has been, it has been, oh, this is due to— like you has been, it has been, oh, this is due to the cutbacks on on, on, on, on,— oh, this is due to the cutbacks on on, on, on, on, on youth dwds— on on, on, on, on, on youth clubs or_ on on, on, on, on, on youth odds on ededn— on on, on, on, on, on youth clubs or again the usual line is de— clubs or again the usual line is dds de— clubs or again the usual line is this is because— clubs or again the usual line is this is because of— clubs or again the usual line is this is because of inequality. deve— this is because of inequality. dene de— this is because of inequality. dene is e— this is because of inequality. there is a refusal to admit that the there is a refusal to admit that de enodden— there is a refusal to admit that the problem is— there is a refusal to admit that the problem is a— there is a refusal to admit that the problem is a cultural one end— the problem is a cultural one end dds— the problem is a cultural one end dds dod— the problem is a cultural one end dds eod do— the problem is a cultural one and it's got to be— the problem is a cultural one and it's got to be tackled ewddwnedw— and it's got to be tackled culturally and _ and it's got to be tackled culturally and surely the don't you— culturally and surely the don't wow eeeeed— culturally and surely the don't you accept they've got to be soded— you accept they've got to be social sanctions— you accept they've got to be social sanctions now , i answer social sanctions now, i answer dd— social sanctions now, i answer dd dweedon— social sanctions now, i answer that question then. jdid that question then. do you dosed— that question then. do you accept there's— that question then. do you accept there's got to be social? there have to be. there are soded— there have to be. there are

social sanctions— there have to be. there are social sanctions with somebody wno— social sanctions with somebody wno de— social sanctions with somebody do is ending— social sanctions with somebody who is renting any— social sanctions with somebody who is renting any tenant deeded.— who is renting any tenant against wow— who is renting any tenant against, you know, antisocial dedevdown— against, you know, antisocial behaviour. there— against, you know, antisocial behaviour. there will be rules end— behaviour. there will be rules end deve— behaviour. there will be rules and laws and— behaviour. there will be rules and laws and bylaws and what neve— and laws and bylaws and what neve-enowd— and laws and bylaws and what have - about when - and laws and bylaws and what have about when you put the have you about when you put the wooden— have you about when you put the nwdddsn—wow- have you about when you put the rubbish—you can- rubbish out, whether you can neve— rubbish out, whether you can neve-dds— rubbish out, whether you can have-this is- rubbish out, whether you can have -this is a - rubbish out, whether you cani have -this is a different have pets. this is a different thing isn't but to thing though, isn't it? but to say you might lose your home, an entire family because one person isn't going to. i mean, where wow— isn't going to. i mean, where wow godd— isn't going to. i mean, where wow eodne do— isn't going to. i mean, where are you going to put- . d;did “d; i mean, where are you going to put these pebble? — are you going to put these pebble? .— are you going to put these people? i often- are you going to put these people? i“ �*" “d: are you going to put these people? �*" “d: e are you going to put these people? i“ �*" “d: e t. people? i often find it quite surprising when you see these kids and they're going out and about knifing each other and then the mom comes out and she goes, but my boy like, the goes, but my boy was like, the nicest and he was angel. nicest boy and he was an angel. he's usually an angel. he's wswedw— he's usually an angel. he's usually-angel. - he's usually an angel. he's usually angel. dis usually an angel. the kids ended— usually an angel. the kids social media. i'm like, social media. and i'm like, really? really? and then i have to parents, don't to ask myself as parents, don't you even look what your kids are doing? come? apparently doing? how come? apparently all these kids do run these nice angelic kids do run around machetes hanging out around with machetes hanging out of their backsides in their trousers ? you tell me your trousers? you tell me your thoughts. do you? they're deserve your home, deserve to lose your home, though just of it. though, just because of it. i don't know. i'm sure you will get touch. gb views views at get in touch. gb views views at gb news .com now cruise ships. have you been on one? is chance

going to be a fine thing? well, apparently the people crossing the channel that's my that's is where they may well be calling her go anywhere her very soon don't go anywhere i'll at that .

hello there michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside me. historian gb news contributor david starkey and political commentator joe phillips. dave says when i was youngen phillips. dave says when i was younger, tenants were expected inspected in council houses basically to make sure that they were maintaining the properties to the level expected of them. it's dividing you though, whether or not parents should lose their properties because of the actions of their kids . lose their properties because of the actions of their kids. f—man i suspect that's not your real name. he or she has tweeted me, said, this is the first time i've ever tuned in to your show because i've got a busy life. but i'm sitting here with a glass wine. i'm enjoying glass of wine. i'm enjoying every minute. well, hello and

cheers to you. now have you ever been ship? you been on a cruise ship? have you have might have risen have you might have risen a glass two. nice glass or two. nice entertainment. a nice. well you name it, everything, quite frankly, cinemas, bars, restaurants. lovely, restaurants. they're lovely, aren't if did aren't they? well, if you did indeed cross the channel in a dinghy, you might have looked up at those cruise ships and thought, wow, how the other half live. to be live. well, it's not going to be the half anymore because the other half anymore because there's that there's proposals is that actually people actually some of these people crossing be put crossing the channel will be put up cruise ships. i have to up on cruise ships. i have to say, i do suspect that things like the entertainment packages , packages all , the drinks packages and all the involved with the luxuries involved with cruising will not be part of this. your thoughts, though? well, know what exactly well, do you know what exactly the well, do you know what exactly de see— well, do you know what exactly the same thing— well, do you know what exactly the same thing happened in both wondd— the same thing happened in both wondd wens— the same thing happened in both world wars. the— the same thing happened in both world wars. the luxury ships dnens— world wars. the luxury ships dnens wee— world wars. the luxury ships liners were turned into troop snee— liners were turned into troop endee end— liners were turned into troop ships and people were crammed in. ships and people were crammed in and— ships and people were crammed in and .— ships and people were crammed in. and i suspect— ships and people were crammed in. and i suspect that's exactly wnd— in. and i suspect that's exactly wnd wid— in. and i suspect that's exactly what will happen— in. and i suspect that's exactly what will happen . i“ what will happen. in other wnde— what will happen. in other words, mental difference there, though, isn't there? i'm suspecting that the troops are there. you're trying to fight for the great good of the country , i.e. you're country, i.e. you're contributing abrighter, contributing to a brighter, better. no, no, no. but better. no, no, no, no, no. but i what i'm

better. no, no, no, no, no. but i-what i'm saying- better. no, no, no, no, no. but i-what i'm saying is- better. no, no, no, no, no. butj i-what i'm saying is the i mean, what i'm saying is the eodnd— i mean, what i'm saying is the eond-eond— i mean, what i'm saying is the eodnd-eodnd de- i mean, what i'm saying is the point point is getting point is the point is getting dew-ne— point is the point is getting on. they're not— point is the point is getting on. they're not going to they're not on. they're not going to they're nod godd— on. they're not going to they're nod eodne do— on. they're not going to they're not going to getting a luxury not going to be getting a luxury eeedenee — not going to be getting a luxury experience. -these - not going to be getting a luxury experience.-these ,- not going to be getting a luxury experience. these , these experience. these these, these dese— experience. these these, these deee-wd— experience. these these, these these -will be _ experience. these these, these these will be transformed. these boats will be transformed. i these boats will be transformed. . deen— these boats will be transformed. . dd— these boats will be transformed. i mean, it'll be— these boats will be transformed. i mean, it'll be exactly the ddne— i mean, it'll be exactly the same thing as— i mean, it'll be exactly the same thing as happened with the nodd— same thing as happened with the noded dd— same thing as happened with the hotel that bunk— same thing as happened with the hotel that bunk beds will be put in. hotel that bunk beds will be put in -de— hotel that bunk beds will be put in. -be.crowded- in. they'll be in crowded circumstances.- in. they'll be in crowded circumstances. the ballrooms wed— circumstances. the ballrooms wed. ed— circumstances. the ballrooms wed. edd de— circumstances. the ballrooms well, all the important thing enowd— well, all the important thing edowd e— well, all the important thing edowd e ende— well, all the important thing about a ship. why is ships traditionally— about a ship. why is ships traditionally used in this kind of way?— traditionally used in this kind of way? because _ traditionally used in this kind of way? because it's quite dddewdd— of way? because it's quite difficult to _ of way? because it's quite difficult to get— of way? because it's quite difficult to get off them. in oden— difficult to get off them. in other words, _ difficult to get off them. in other words, you can't away other words, you can't run away venw— other words, you can't run away venw eesdw. — other words, you can't run away venw eesdw. and— other words, you can't run away very easily. and one of the ddnee— very easily. and one of the things that's— very easily. and one of the things that's been happening of course, is precisely there's deen— course, is precisely there's been en— course, is precisely there's been an enormous seepage from so—eeded— been an enormous seepage from so—called secure— been an enormous seepage from so—called secure centres about eondedndnd— so—called secure centres about eondedndnd de— so—called secure centres about containing is about containing dend— containing is about containing right thoughts. _ containing is about containing right thoughts. �*ifddicc right thoughts. joe well, i completely agree with david. they're not they're not going to be they're not they're not going to de wedde— they're not they're not going to de weddne we— they're not they're not going to be walking up the— they're not they're not going to be walking up the gangplank newne— be walking up the gangplank nevdne ddn— be walking up the gangplank having their photograph taken and having their photograph taken end ddne— having their photograph taken and sitting down, being handed evende— evening dress, you know, for the seeded-s— evening dress, you know, for the oeeddn-s-we— evening dress, you know, for the eeededn-s-we by- evening dress, you know, for the captain's up by the, you captain's taped up by the, you know.— captain's taped up by the, you know, although— captain's taped up by the, you know, although i— captain's taped up by the, you know, although i have to tell you,— know, although i have to tell youv .— know, although i have to tell wow. . vend— know, although i have to tell wow. d wend on— know, although i have to tell you, i went on a— know, although i have to tell you, i went on a cruise ship once, never again. it was the woned— once, never again. it was the worst holiday— once, never again. it was the worst holiday i've— once, never again. it was the worst holiday i've ever had in my— worst holiday i've ever had in nw wde— worst holiday i've ever had in nw dde. ewd— worst holiday i've ever had in nw ddde. nwd .— worst holiday i've ever had in my life. but i did— worst holiday i've ever had in my life. but i did learn to do dednoon— my life. but i did learn to do ballroom—did.

my life. but i did learn to do- ballroom_did you? ballroom dancing. oh, did you? deen.— ballroom dancing. oh, did you? deen. wden— ballroom dancing. oh, did you? deen. wden .— ballroom dancing. oh, did you? yeah, when i-on_ ballroom dancing. oh, did you? yeah, when i-on the- yeah, when i was on the apprentice, one of my tasks was on actually. and apprentice, one of my tasks was 0 had actually. and apprentice, one of my tasks was ohad to actually. and apprentice, one of my tasks was ohad to do actually. and apprentice, one of my tasks was ohad to do an actually. and apprentice, one of my tasks was ohad to do an entertainmentj i had to do an entertainment package. did you? yeah, we did. and i think did ballroom and i think we did ballroom dancing. yeah. my. my overwhelming memory of that is going round to the other cabins overwhelming memory of that is gothe round to the other cabins overwhelming memory of that is gothe competinge other cabins overwhelming memory of that is gothe competinge otheitaking; of the competing teams taking down they down their posters so that they didn't their activities didn't promote their activities . one knew to go to them . so no one knew to go to them rather oh, you call rather than, oh, you might call that cheating. no, i think dd-e— that cheating. no, i think deds dwed— that cheating. no, i think we dwed .— that cheating. no, i think that's just i think- t “; no, i think that's just i think prince harry wowdd— that's just i think prince harry wowdd de— that's just i think prince harry wowdd de venw— that's just i think prince harry would be very interested in dis — would be very interested in dis dd— would be very interested in this. it seems— would be very interested in this. it seems-me- would be very interested in this. c this. it seems to me to be deeply underhand. no major odd-eedons— deeply underhand. no major objections-that— deeply underhand. no major objections-that policy- c. no major objections that policy from objections to that policy from the objections to that policy from de eened— objections to that policy from de eened on— objections to that policy from the panel on the— objections to that policy from the panel on the basis that it's enowd— the panel on the basis that it's about containment on the basis dd— about containment on the basis dd dew-ne — about containment on the basis that they're not— about containment on the basis that they're not cruise ships as you— that they're not cruise ships as wow—do- that they're not cruise ships as wow—do de.| you might expect them to be. de— you might expect them to be. dds-edeeed— you might expect them to be. it's-stripped out. - you might expect them to be. it's stripped out. back to it's all stripped out. back to needs— it's all stripped out. back to desdes .— it's all stripped out. back to desdes . denw— it's all stripped out. back to basics . many people dealing basics. many people are dealing wid— basics. many people are dealing wdd-deedod— basics. many people are dealing with-backlog of— basics. many people are dealing with backlog of asylum with the backlog of asylum seekers-yeah,- with the backlog of asylum seekers-yeah, i- with the backlog of asylum seekers. yeah, i know. seekers. well, yeah, i know. ddvdowsdw— seekers. well, yeah, i know. obviously many— seekers. well, yeah, i know. obviously many people are coming ded— obviously many people are coming back-situation— back to that situation about ende— back to that situation about ende-neve- back to that situation about pride. -have just. back to that situation about. pride.-have just been pride. what you have just been ddsewssdnd— pride. what you have just been ddsewssdnd de— pride. what you have just been discussing is joe— pride. what you have just been discussing is joe phillips, desdden— discussing is joe phillips,. lesbian—she's lesbian or bisexual. if she's nedden— lesbian or bisexual. if she's nedden wnw— lesbian or bisexual. if she's neither, why does she think she lesbian or bisexual. if she's neit dictate/ does she think she lesbian or bisexual. if she's neit dictate to oes she think she lesbian or bisexual. if she's neit dictate to oes �*peopleik she lesbian or bisexual. if she's neit dictate to oes people what can dictate to gay people what dew— can dictate to gay people what dew enowdd— can dictate to gay people what they should shouldn't do or they should and shouldn't do or deed— they should and shouldn't do or eeeeed ne— they should and shouldn't do or deed we sews— they should and shouldn't do or accept? 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do and shouldn't dictate. you don-d— do and shouldn't dictate. you don-d neve— do and shouldn't dictate. you don-d neve do— do and shouldn't dictate. you don't have to go— do and shouldn't dictate. did. d:did“ c ;did yeah, but why don't have to go. yeah, but why enowdd— don't have to go. yeah, but why snowdd dd— don't have to go. yeah, but why should it be? _ don't have to go. yeah, but why should it be? you— don't have to go. yeah, but why should it be? you don't- don't have to go. yeah, but why should it be? you don't have to take part a month long thing. that's one of the feedback dd-s— that's one of the feedback that's coming— that's one of the feedback that's coming through from you guys— that's coming through from you owe d— that's coming through from you owe d none— that's coming through from you owe d none es— that's coming through from you guys at home as well. what wow-ne— guys at home as well. what wowne esdnd— guys at home as well. what you're asking is— guys at home as well. what you're asking is why does it need— you're asking is why does it needlde— you're asking is why does it needlde e— you're asking is why does it need be a month? i mean, why? need to be a month? i mean, why? why— need to be a month? i mean, why? we de— need to be a month? i mean, why? we is d— need to be a month? i mean, why? why is it because— need to be a month? i mean, why? why is it because what?— need to be a month? i mean, why? why is it because what? what? because goes back. because again, it goes back. sorry to the point tried sorry to the point that i tried to make we've instituted to make that we've instituted a new kind of religious calendar. we've replaced calendar we've replaced the old calendar of and all of lent, whitsuntide and all saints and whatever with saints day and whatever with these new fashionable alternative causes of the 60s, which have in practise become compulsive . and they're being compulsive. and they're being forced on us by capitalist washing business is, in case anyone's not aware. you're saying anyone's not aware. you're sewdne dds— anyone's not aware. you're sewdne dds ee— anyone's not aware. you're sewdne dds es e— anyone's not aware. you're saying this as a gay- you're saying this as a gay man, as a venw— saying this as a gay man, as a venw eew— saying this as a gay man, as a venw eew en— saying this as a gay man, as a venw eew .— saying this as a gay man, as a very gay man , indeed, a very gay very gay man, indeed, a very gay man:— very gay man, indeed, a very gay n— very gay man, indeed, a very gay a venw— very gay man, indeed, a very gay a venw. venw— very gay man, indeed, a very gay man, a very, very gay man. edew— man, a very, very gay man. odew. ded— man, a very, very gay man. okayn ded nne— man, a very, very gay man. okay, let me know. - man, a very, very gay man. okay, let me know. let- man, a very, very gay man. okay, let me know. let me somebody who came out in 1972 when there was a risk, admittedly, where i did it, there wasn't much of one because it was like and as one of my heterosexual grudging colleagues said in your report , it's

said in your report, it's practically compulsory. but but still in the world outside, it wasn't . i still in the world outside, it wasn't. i know still in the world outside, it wasn't . i know what still in the world outside, it wasn't. i know what i'm still in the world outside, it wasn't . i know what i'm talking wasn't. i know what i'm talking about. i once. joe, you will love this. i once went on a march . i do. you know what i march. i do. you know what i found difficult ? keeping march. i do. you know what i found difficult? keeping a straight face. well, there you are. have you ever been on a gay ende— are. have you ever been on a gay ende mende— are. have you ever been on a gay ende nenene — are. have you ever been on a gay did need do.— are. have you ever been on a gay pride march? no, but— idi; have you ever been on a gay pride march? \did idi; have you ever been on a gay pride march? \ddid i“ pride march? no, but i've seen them. i haven't been on a march, but i have been in places where it's been taking place. well, you my view is it's been taking place. well, you-my view islyoul you know, my view is if you wden— you know, my view is if you wden dds— you know, my view is if you watch this show— you know, my view is if you watch this show often, i just did— watch this show often, i just ddnd dds— watch this show often, i just think it's just— watch this show often, i just think it's just become just enowd— think it's just become just about hypocrisy, just about eoneondes— about hypocrisy, just about - corporates_ look corporates trying to show, look at corporates trying to show, look d-now— corporates trying to show, look d-now de— corporates trying to show, look d-now ds dew— corporates trying to show, look at how is gay washing? c at me, how is gay washing? it's gay—gay- gay washing, washing, gay washing. get your rainbow badge on, washing. get your rainbow badge on-wown— washing. get your rainbow badge on,-your pronouns.— washing. get your rainbow badge on,-your pronouns. no,- on, get your pronouns. no, i don-d— on, get your pronouns. no, i don-d eenee— on, get your pronouns. no, i don't agree with— on, get your pronouns. no, i don't agree with that. the ooneonde— don't agree with that. the corporate - know, - corporate you know, exploitation. you know exploitation. well, do you know what i'd to those what i'd say to those corporates? pack it in with your nedowds — corporates? pack it in with your rainbows. bracketing_ t“ pack it in with your rainbows. bracketing with your| eonowne —do pronouns. actually get back to needs— pronouns. actually get back to basics-deliver— pronouns. actually get back to basics deliver services basics and deliver the services dd— basics and deliver the servicesi dd—wnden that you're supposed to. which ned— that you're supposed to. which ned od— that you're supposed to. which ned od youn— that you're supposed to. which ned of wow. by— that you're supposed to. which half of you, by the way, you send—wowd- half of you, by the way, you| can't—your own can't even pick up your own enones— can't even pick up your own phones-customer. phones and give customer senvdees— phones and give customer senvdeee dn— phones and give customer services in this— phones and give customer services in this day and age. so now— services in this day and age. so now enowd— services in this day and age. so now edowd wow— services in this day and age. so how about you -on - services in this day and age. so how about you on that how about you focus on that indeed— how about you focus on that instead?_just- how about you focus on that instead?_just old| instead? maybe i'm just old desddoned— instead? maybe i'm just oldi fashioned,_got fashioned, that's all i've got dne— fashioned, that's all i've got dne don.— fashioned, that's all i've got dne don. doe— fashioned, that's all i've got time for. joe and— fashioned, that's all i've got time for. joe and david, thank wow.— time for. joe and david, thank wow. neve— time for. joe and david, thank you. have yourselves a fantastic

evende. — you. have yourselves a fantastic evende. oven— you. have yourselves a fantastic evening. owen has— you. have yourselves a fantastic evening. owen has been in touch you. have yourselves a fantastic evttwitteriwen has been in touch you. have yourselves a fantastic evttwitteriwewell, been in touch you. have yourselves a fantastic evttwitteriwewell, sayingn touch you. have yourselves a fantastic evttwitteriwewell, saying that ch on twitter as well, saying that he on twitter as well, saying that ne—eniowed i on twitter as well, saying that ne—eniowed de he has very much enjoyed the snow— he has very much enjoyed the snow-end— he has very much enjoyed the snow-end venw- he has very much enjoyed the show and very much show tonight and very much enjoyed— show tonight and very much. enjoyed-combination. enjoyed the panel combination. wnd—dwol enjoyed the panel combination.i wnd—dwo what a compliment. you two can cone-eden— what a compliment. you two can cone-ededn .— what a compliment. you two can cone-ededn . non— what a compliment. you two can come again . for now, have a come back again. for now, have a dendesde— come back again. for now, have a fantastic evening.— come back again. for now, have a fantastic evening. do not go enwwdene— fantastic evening. do not go anywhere. nigel— fantastic evening. do not go anywhere. nigel farage is up ned.— anywhere. nigel farage is up ned. .— anywhere. nigel farage is up next. i though.— anywhere. nigel farage is up next. i though. we'll see you dononnow-. — next. i though. we'll see you tomorrow-. good- next. i though. we'll see you- tomorrow-. good evening. tomorrow night. good evening. alex deakin here with your latest update from the latest weather update from the met gb news. changes met office for gb news. changes are on the way, but tomorrow is going to be more of the same. it starts a bit dull and eventually it turns sunny for most with the eastern side again, likely to keep a lot of cloud down to the southwest. low pressure is brewing. that will create a bit of a change in the outlook. but for, as say , tonight and for, as i say, tonight and tomorrow, it's more the same. tomorrow, it's more of the same. so cloud that's been lurking so the cloud that's been lurking in east just back in the east just drifts back further inland as we go through the so a fine, warm the night. so a fine, warm evening for many, but the cloudy and cooler conditions in the east spread back to most areas through the night. temperatures holding at 8 to 10 celsius, a holding up at 8 to 10 celsius, a bit warmer than that in the south—west it's to south—west where it's going to get actually. a

get quite windy, actually. a blustery the far blustery night across the far south—west england and parts south—west of england and parts of south coast of wales. as of the south coast of wales. as well. it will be windy too, here, thursday. for here, during thursday. for most, it's grey tomorrow, but it's a grey start tomorrow, but the cloud should break up in most locations. runs from mid—morning onwards as again parts of the east coast looking fairly glum. much of northern scotland as well. but perhaps a sunnier day across parts of east anglia, maybe warmer, anglia, maybe a touch warmer, although still be although there will still be that coming in from that cold wind coming in from the north sea. highest temperatures down to the south—west to 25 south—west could get up to 25 degrees thursday afternoon. degrees come thursday afternoon. but down to the south—west as well as the winds picking up the cloud increasing. and look at this, haven't much of this, i haven't seen much of this, i haven't seen much of this recently . rain in the form this recently. rain in the form of showers , which are more of showers, which are more likely during friday in the south—west. hit and miss not everywhere seeing them, but there will some around there will be some around and elsewhere friday. elsewhere on friday. it's a similar starts a bit drab similar story starts a bit drab east coast stays cool and quite murky , but for many it will be murky, but for many it will be another sunny day on friday and again, west will be best for those temperatures getting into the maybe mid 20s, but the

the low, maybe mid 20s, but the humidity start to rise in humidity will start to rise in the south—west with the threat of those showers coming along and increasing risk of seeing those spread northwards those showers spread northwards dunng those showers spread northwards during weekend. going those showers spread northwards duturn weekend. going those showers spread northwards duturn bit'eekend. going those showers spread northwards duturn bit hotter.. going those showers spread northwards duturn bit hotter. humidityg to turn a bit hotter. humidity will rise, an increasing chance of some showers and thunderstorms .

good evening. it's been day two of harry - good evening. it's been day two on new deddnd— . good evening. it's been day two of harry telling his— - good evening. it's been day two of harry telling his truth.— good evening. it's been day two of harry telling his truth. yes, his of harry telling his truth. yes, we dwd— of harry telling his truth. yes, we dwd dn— of harry telling his truth. yes, his truth in the— of harry telling his truth. yes, his truth in the high court. it dwed— his truth in the high court. it iwsd eeeeens— his truth in the high court. it iwsd eeeeene es— his truth in the high court. it just appears as many of the ddnee— just appears as many of the ddnee ne— just appears as many of the things he believes to be true eennees— things he believes to be true eenneee ee— things he believes to be true perhaps are not.— things he believes to be true perhaps are not. i think it's deen— perhaps are not. i think it's been rather— perhaps are not. i think it's been rather a— perhaps are not. i think it's been rather a humiliation. i'll been rather a humiliation. i'll be dedddnd— been rather a humiliation. i'll be debating tonight . do we now be debating tonight. do we now ded— be debating tonight. do we now deed dwed— be debating tonight. do we now feel justllittle_ be debating tonight. do we now feel justllittle bit— be debating tonight. do we now feel just little bit of feel just a little bit of sympe’dfliy— feel just a little bit of sympathy for prince harry, but nedoe— sympathy for prince harry, but dedone dd— sympathy for prince harry, but before that and— sympathy for prince harry, but before that and much else , let's before that and much else, let's get my— before that and much else, let's oed nw es— before that and much else, let's get my news with— before that and much else, let's get my news with polly middleton