honours list has resignation honours list has been— resignation honours list has been published. and on it are close— been published. and on it are close allies— been published. and on it are close allies of— been published. and on it are close allies of the former prime minister— close allies of the former prime minister priti_ close allies of the former prime minister priti patel, the former home— minister priti patel, the former home secretary— minister priti patel, the former home secretary receives a damehood— home secretary receives a damehood former business secretary— damehood former business secretary and— damehood former business secretary and gb news presenter jacob— secretary and gb news presenter jacob rees-m099— secretary and gb news presenter jacob rees—mogg receives a knighthood.— jacob rees—mogg receives a knighthood. sean bailey, a london— knighthood. sean bailey, a london assembly member and former— london assembly member and former mayor— london assembly member and former mayor mayoral candidate, has been— former mayor mayoral candidate, has been handed— former mayor mayoral candidate, has been handed a— former mayor mayoral candidate, has been handed a peerage and wm— has been handed a peerage and w w— has been handed a peerage and win sn— has been handed a peerage and will now sit in— has been handed a peerage and will now sit in the— has been handed a peerage and will now sit in the house of lords. — will now sit in the house of lords. conservative mps conor bums— lords. conservative mps conor bums and— lords. conservative mps conor burns and michael fabricant also receive knighthoods. deputy labour— receive knighthoods. deputy labour leader— receive knighthoods. deputy labour leader angela rayner has criticised— labour leader angela rayner has criticised the— labour leader angela rayner has criticised the list,— labour leader angela rayner has criticised the list, calling it a sickening— criticised the list, calling it a sickening insult. criticised the list, calling it a sickening insult . however, a sickening insult. however, jacob— a sickening insult. however, jacob rees—mogg has told gb news that n— jacob rees—mogg has told gb news that tt ts— jacob rees—mogg has told gb news that tt ts an— jacob rees—mogg has told gb news that it is an opportunity for an aataatna— that it is an opportunity for an aataataa pm— that it is an opportunity for an aataataa pm to— that it is an opportunity for an outgoing pm to show their appteatatton. — outgoing pm to show their appreciation. outgoing prime mtntstet— appreciation. outgoing prime minister has— appreciation. outgoing prime minister has done a great strate— minister has done a great setttte to— minister has done a great service to the— minister has done a great service to the country. �*ft�* service to the country. whether you agree— service to the country. whether you agree with his politics or not, being prime minister is a very important role. it's a very hard working role and that for a prime minister to be able to say thank you to those people who have helped make his job a little bit easier is, i think, perfectly reasonable. well, those not on the-

perfectly reasonable. well, those not on the list- f well, those not on the list include termer— those not on the list include former minister— those not on the list include former minister nadine dorries amt— former minister nadine dorries amt met— former minister nadine dorries amt just am— former minister nadine dorries amt test an mem— former minister nadine dorries and just an hour before it was patttetet— and just an hour before it was published, she— and just an hour before it was published, she announced that she published, she announced that ete mae— published, she announced that she was stepping— published, she announced that she was stepping down with tmmettate— she was stepping down with immediate effect as an mp in a statement— immediate effect as an mp in a statement err— immediate effect as an mp in a statement on twitter, she said it statement on twitter, she said tt tat— statement on twitter, she said tt tat teem— statement on twitter, she said it had been an— statement on twitter, she said it had been an honour to serve mer— it had been an honour to serve her constituency— it had been an honour to serve her constituency of mid bedfordshire,- her constituency of mid bedfordshire, but it was time for someone younger to take the reme— for someone younger to take the . treme— for someone younger to take the reins . french president for someone younger to take the reins. french president emmanuel tractor— reins. french president emmanuel rtaertm mae— reins. french president emmanuel macron has been— reins. french president emmanuel macron has been to— reins. french president emmanuel macron has been to the town of tmmett— macron has been to the town of tmeey a— macron has been to the town of tmmeey a day— macron has been to the town of annecy a day after— macron has been to the town of annecy a day after a knife attack— annecy a day after a knife attack took— annecy a day after a knife attack took place in a playground- attack took place in a playground there . earlier, he playground there. earlier, he met— playground there. earlier, he met vtettme— playground there. earlier, he met victims of— playground there. earlier, he met victims of the attack being treatet — met victims of the attack being treatet m— met victims of the attack being treated in hospital, including an tmmet— treated in hospital, including an injured british girl. three year— an injured british girl. three year ott— an injured british girl. three year ett ttty— an injured british girl. three year old etty was one of four tetttere— year old etty was one of four toddlers stabbed. she's now said toddlers stabbed. she's now said to te— toddlers stabbed. she's now said to be re— toddlers stabbed. she's now said to te m a— toddlers stabbed. she's now said to be in a stable— toddlers stabbed. she's now said to be in a stable condition. the etty-e— to be in a stable condition. the arty-e mayer— to be in a stable condition. the arty-e mayer eate— to be in a stable condition. the city's mayor says he's confident ateut— city's mayor says he's confident ateut tre— city's mayor says he's confident about the condition of the other tree— about the condition of the other three teame— about the condition of the other three people, two— about the condition of the other three people, two adults were atte— three people, two adults were atee tmmet— three people, two adults were also injured. the— three people, two adults were also injured. the knifeman, a smart— also injured. the knifeman, a syrian retagee— also injured. the knifeman, a syrian refugee ,_ also injured. the knifeman, a syrian refugee , had been syrian refugee, had been tetatmet— syrian refugee, had been detained. sorry denied asylum in the tetatm— detained. sorry denied asylum in the country teet— detained. sorry denied asylum in the country just days before treat— the country just days before that attack— the country just days before that attack ._ the country just days before that attack . the— the country just days before that attack . the prime minister that attack. the prime minister eate— that attack. the prime minister says te— that attack. the prime minister eaye me wante— that attack. the prime minister says he wants the— that attack. the prime minister says he wants the north of entrant— says he wants the north of england to— says he wants the north of england to be— says he wants the north of england to be at the heart of economic growth— england to be at the heart of economic growth in the country.

tttreeemt— economic growth in the country. addressing the— economic growth in the country. addressing the northern research troup— addressing the northern research group conference— addressing the northern research group conference in doncaster, trem— group conference in doncaster, ttem smat— group conference in doncaster, rishi sunak said— group conference in doncaster, rishi sunak said there's no route— rishi sunak said there's no route to— rishi sunak said there's no route to success- rishi sunak said there's no route to success at the next eteettorr— route to success at the next election without— route to success at the next election without the north. he atto— election without the north. he ateo toot— election without the north. he also took aim— election without the north. he also took aim at— election without the north. he also took aim at sir keir starmer,— also took aim at sir keir starmer, warning that a labour government— starmer, warning that a labour government under , as he put it, government under, as he put it, sir government under, as he put it, etr torto— government under, as he put it, sir softy would _ government under, as he put it, sir softy would be _ government under, as he put it, sir softy would be a disaster. tre-re— sir softy would be a disaster. we've averted _ sir softy would be a disaster. we've averted the predicted recession , but— we've averted the predicted recession , but my ambition goes recession, but my ambition goes far recession, but my ambition goes tar beyond— recession, but my ambition goes far beyond that. _ recession, but my ambition goes far beyond that. �*ft�*rz; : g far beyond that. we need to grow the economy and i want the north to be at the heart of our economic growth . we will use our economic growth. we will use our post—brexit freedoms to create the most pro—innovation and pro enterprise regulatory system on earth . and finally , to lawyers earth. and finally, to lawyers defending donald trump have resigned after the former us president was indicted on charges of retaining classified documents at his florida estate . this is the second time that oomatt— . this is the second time that ooratt trump— . this is the second time that donald trump has— this is the second time that donald trump has been indicted. tee— donald trump has been indicted. me te— donald trump has been indicted. met the first— donald trump has been indicted. he's the first former us preetterrt— he's the first former us president to— he's the first former us president to face criminal charges— president to face criminal etaraee om— president to face criminal etaraee or a— president to face criminal charges on a federal level. postmo— charges on a federal level. roetmt om— charges on a federal level. posting on truth social. trump mae—

posting on truth social. trump mae aeeueet— posting on truth social. trump has accused the— posting on truth social. trump has accused the government of eteettor— has accused the government of election interference in his eamoattm— election interference in his eamoatam to— election interference in his campaign to return to the white tome— campaign to return to the white home m— campaign to return to the white house in 2024.— campaign to return to the white house in 2024. on— campaign to return to the white house in 2024. on tv online on date — house in 2024. on tv online on date tatto— house in 2024. on tv online on dab+ radio and— house in 2024. on tv online on dab+ radio and on— house in 2024. on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to tmm— dab+ radio and on tune in to mm te— dab+ radio and on tune in to mm to te— dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news.— dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to . bev good evening. thank you for joining me on this beautiful friday night. now, let me start by showing you short clip by showing you a short clip filmed not by a journalist. don't be silly. they're busy talking amanda holden's talking about amanda holden's pink a mere pink shorts. but by a mere civilian, which has caused a stir on social media. it's been watched over 750,000 times in the last couple of days . take the last couple of days. take a look at this. so you're going to the local oldies like this one and you think i'm going to go in here and buy some food so i can feed myself .7 and then you

feed myself? and then you approach— feed myself? and then you approach the— : , and then you approach the barrier and look , approach the barrier and look, you— approach the barrier and look, you cant— approach the barrier and look, you cant eeh— approach the barrier and look, you can't even get in the shop wtthout— you can't even get in the shop without having— you can't even get in the shop without having a— you can't even get in the shop without having a qr code to scan . here— without having a qr code to scan . here or— without having a qr code to scan . here or to— without having a qr code to scan . here or to scan— without having a qr code to scan . here or to scan here. and then you— . here or to scan here. and then you ah— . here or to scan here. and then you 9°— . here or to scan here. and then you to aut— . here or to scan here. and then you can go and buy— . here or to scan here. and then you can go and buy things . now, you can go and buy things. now, the— you can go and buy things. now, the roote— you can go and buy things. now, the toote to— you can go and buy things. now, this looks to me— you can go and buy things. now, this looks to me like the teatmtht— this looks to me like the beginning stages of the digital hrteoh— beginning stages of the digital orteoh that— beginning stages of the digital prison that we— beginning stages of the digital prison that we keep talking about— prison that we keep talking atout .— prison that we keep talking atout . hee— prison that we keep talking about. he's right. prison that we keep talking about . he's right. �*ft�*rz; mt; prison that we keep talking about . he's right. �*ft�*rz; 5th; about. he's right. we are at the beginning of an industrial revolution , the effects of which revolution, the effects of which will make the steam engine look trivial in order to empty that aldi and satisfy the most basic human need of eating and drinking , human need of eating and drinking, you must have a smartphone enough battery to last the trip , enough memory to last the trip, enough memory to upload a new app. you'll have to fill that app with all your personal details, phone number email home address payment card details , etcetera. details, etcetera. congratulations, you've just given the store ten minutes of your time and hand it over all of that data to yet another

corporation who are likely to bombard you with offers as you can now enter through the aggressive looking glass barriers. and yes, they are meant to be providing you with a service. aldi's website explains that when buying goods, you are helping it, which is so kind by secret cameras. who will tot up your purchases as you go.7 want your purchases as you go? want to buy alcohol but you aren't 18. that's okay. just tell the app 18. that's okay. just tell the app that you are with a picture of your face. want to pass an item to a person in a wheelchair or the little old lady who can't reach the ketchup? it's a bit awkward, you're going to awkward, but you're going to have place that on a lower have to place that on a lower shelf the camera shelf first. so the camera doesn't charge you. random acts of human kindness won't be welcome in rigid computer welcome in this rigid computer says no world. and then when you leave , your bank will be leave, your bank account will be charged and you haven't had to endure interacting with a single human being . no more chatting human being. no more chatting about the weather with the lovely pensioner on the till. you can leave with your human interactions until you get home

and put on your headset. if you don't like interacting with humans . and let's be honest, humans. and let's be honest, many of the techno mega brains who this stuff up are who think this stuff up are disproportionately represented who think this stuff up are dis spectrums|tely represented who think this stuff up are dis spectrums whichtpresented who think this stuff up are dis spectrums which find anted who think this stuff up are dis spectrums which find real! on spectrums which find real life relationships difficult . life relationships difficult. then this story is great news. but the young aukus awkward teenagers who prefer grunts to speaking much to develop social skills so they can learn empathy and exist in healthy relationships . anyone thought relationships. anyone thought about that older people require social contact to avoid isolation and depression . for isolation and depression. for some, that job on the till is literally the difference between a happy life and a hastened death. she shops like these require fewer employees, although as anyone who uses a self—service till knows, the ones who do remain spend all day addressing sighing customers and unexpected items in the bagging area. the process is slower and more infuriating for everyone , more infuriating for everyone, and as we know, tech is not

foolproof. so what if you get home and aldi has accidentally charged you for something you didn't pick up? well, even if you work that out yourself, are you work that out yourself, are you going to go through the rigmarole of returning the rigmarole of returning to the shop and sitting shop complaining and sitting through video of you through the video of you perusing the tomatoes? think perusing the tomatoes? i think not. these shops will profit from tech exhaustion. this from our tech exhaustion. this release eventless march of social change should terrify us all. it is leading. no exaggeration to a digital tyranny. a world in which we can't function without jumping through surveillance hoops and meeting the demands of faceless corporations, racking up profit at our expense , masks in public, at our expense, masks in public, leaving your house once a day and digital vaccine passports were merely the trial. governments and private firms wanted to see what you would tolerate. we are being primed. we were being primed for the advent of the dehumanised world. a top down system in which we plebs have a choice of 33

coffees. but no actual financial freedom of how to make simple purchases. so what do we do? we rebel . we shame these businesses rebel. we shame these businesses who are not acting with customer well—being in mind. we ask that they open the barriers to let us through without the app quite , through without the app quite, quite literally, we challenge their visions of the future. we talk to our kids about the pitfalls of this bit by bit, erosion of free choice. we wake up to the trials of universal bafic up to the trials of universal basic income, which are currently happening in wales and england . even manchester mayor england. even manchester mayor andy burnham, a northern man who one might think remembers what happened to communities where mines closed, says the time has come for ubi. we'll put a solid foundation , he says, beneath foundation, he says, beneath everybody. so that they can have a life with security and stop worrying about everything, he said. fine. sounds lovely , but said. fine. sounds lovely, but what of work per aukus a reason to get out of bed in the morning and the satisfaction of earning and the satisfaction of earning a wage. you you might see just a

turnstile in aldi, a mere inconvenience on your way to collect your tea . i see a collect your tea. i see a doorway into a future of depressed , dissatisfied people depressed, dissatisfied people with no jobs to do. taking handouts from the states who will need to take more of your money to spend through tax. all because large companies are currently replacing people with apps and hoping we don't notice right . so tonight i'm asking right. so tonight i'm asking you, is technology making your life easier or harder ? i might life easier or harder? i might be wrong. i might be gb views. gb news .com is the email or tweet us at . gb news. so what tweet us at. gb news. so what happens if you don't want to be ruled by apps? qr codes scan in, scan out monitor every second you browse the world. well joining me to discuss this is future host steve wells, who has a particular interest in

anticipating this this these disruptive technologies and how they might mould our experiences . so good evening to you, steve. thank you so much for joining me. i do think it's a fascinating topic. i've made it very clear my position on this that, yes, there might be some advantages , but the advantages advantages, but the advantages don't appear to for the don't appear to be for the customer. they appear to be for the corporation. am i wrong ? the corporation. am i wrong? well first of all, good evening, bev. thanks for having me. it tutte— bev. thanks for having me. it tutte a— thanks for having me. it was quite a dystopia perspective, i think a dystopian hteture— perspective, i think a dystopian oteture that— perspective, i think a dystopian picture that you— perspective, i think a dystopian picture that you painted there. i picture that you painted there. r see— picture that you painted there. i see something— picture that you painted there. i see something that's potentially— i see something that's potentially quite different . and potentially quite different. and teth— potentially quite different. and let's remember— potentially quite different. and let's remember what we're seeing at the— let's remember what we're seeing at the momem— let's remember what we're seeing at the moment is— let's remember what we're seeing at the moment is the result of a ratt— at the moment is the result of a ratt ot— at the moment is the result of a raft of different— at the moment is the result of a raft of different trends. and a lot raft of different trends. and a tot ot— raft of different trends. and a tot ot those— raft of different trends. and a lot of those trends have been in tram— lot of those trends have been in tram tor— lot of those trends have been in tram tor tem— lot of those trends have been in train for tens of— lot of those trends have been in train for tens of years. so so a tot— train for tens of years. so so a tot ot— train for tens of years. so so a tot ot the— train for tens of years. so so a lot of this stuff— train for tens of years. so so a lot of this stuff shouldn't reatty— lot of this stuff shouldn't reatty tome— lot of this stuff shouldn't really come as- lot of this stuff shouldn't really come as that much of a summe— really come as that much of a eurhrtee ae— really come as that much of a surprise as these _ really come as that much of a surprise as these grab and go store— surprise as these grab and go store technologies. they have teen— store technologies. they have teeh aouht— store technologies. they have been around for— store technologies. they have been around for some time. amao— been around for some time. tmaon have— been around for some time. amazon have now got 20 stores in in amazon have now got 20 stores in tn the— amazon have now got 20 stores in tn the th— amazon have now got 20 stores in tn the rat ant— amazon have now got 20 stores in in the uk and aldi—

amazon have now got 20 stores in in the uk and aldi have that one homeom— in the uk and aldi have that one morrisons tesco's_ in the uk and aldi have that one morrisons tesco's and satnehury-e- morrisons tesco's and sainsbury's are all testing toe— sainsbury's are all testing toe .— sainsbury's are all testing toe . hut— sainsbury's are all testing stores. but you sainsbury's are all testing stores . but you know, it's such stores. but you know, it's such a matt— stores. but you know, it's such a mat rte— stores. but you know, it's such aematt he a— stores. but you know, it's such a small it's a tiny— stores. but you know, it's such a small it's a tiny part of the martetotaee. — a small it's a tiny part of the marketplace. and— a small it's a tiny part of the marketplace. and as consumers , marketplace. and as consumers, tarmere we att— marketplace. and as consumers, farmers, we all have the power in farmers, we all have the power tn ou— farmers, we all have the power tn hante— farmers, we all have the power in our hands to— farmers, we all have the power in our hands to choose where to shop— in our hands to choose where to shop ant— in our hands to choose where to shop ant t— in our hands to choose where to shop and i think— in our hands to choose where to shop and i think ultimately that-e— shop and i think ultimately hate that— shop and i think ultimately that's what we'll see. some oeohte— that's what we'll see. some people utt— that's what we'll see. some people will really like these tetat— people will really like these retail experiences . people are retail experiences. people are atreaty— retail experiences. people are already perhaps— retail experiences. people are already perhaps of a certain age— already perhaps of a certain are perhaps— already perhaps of a certain age, perhaps also of a certain ttenoeatte— age, perhaps also of a certain disposable income, because i thtnt— disposable income, because i thtnt oe— disposable income, because i thtnt ot— disposable income, because i think one of the— disposable income, because i think one of the important thtnte— think one of the important thtnae that— think one of the important things that we— think one of the important things that we do need to reattee— things that we do need to reattee ae— things that we do need to realise as a— things that we do need to realise as a society is that these— realise as a society is that these ttnt— realise as a society is that these kind of— realise as a society is that these kind of technologies and these kind of technologies and the way— these kind of technologies and the way that— these kind of technologies and the way that they're deployed do risk the way that they're deployed do not eoetat— the way that they're deployed do risk social exclusion. so we do neet— risk social exclusion. so we do neet to— risk social exclusion. so we do neet to have— risk social exclusion. so we do need to have that— risk social exclusion. so we do need to have that in mind . but need to have that in mind. but you— need to have that in mind. but you thou,— need to have that in mind. but you mow, the— need to have that in mind. but you know, the question is, is it is you know, the question is, is it he rt— you know, the question is, is it he tt the— you know, the question is, is it is it the remit— you know, the question is, is it is it the remit of— you know, the question is, is it is it the remit of corporate aettone— is it the remit of corporate actions with _ is it the remit of corporate actions with shareholders to aetuatty— actions with shareholders to actually make _ actions with shareholders to actually make that call or is it the tatt— actually make that call or is it the cat ot— actually make that call or is it the call of government to teyeton— the call of government to develop strategy and policy to aetuatty— develop strategy and policy to actually make _ develop strategy and policy to actually make sure that social eeuetont— actually make sure that social eeuetont te— actually make sure that social exclusion is minimised as far as

hoeettte— exclusion is minimised as far as noeettte e — exclusion is minimised as far as ooeettte e ant— exclusion is minimised as far as ooeettte e ant t— exclusion is minimised as far as possible ? 't: cc," c possible? and i don't think either of them care, though, steve, i don't get the impression that neither the government nor the corporations care about social exclusion. there's no profit in worrying about a pensioner who doesn't have anyone to talk to in the day. there's no profit in, you know, my dad , my amazing 86 year know, my dad, my amazing 86 year old dad, he wouldn't be able to shopin old dad, he wouldn't be able to shop in this shop. he doesn't have a smartphone and he luckily has my mum to do things for him. she would probably be the one arguing turnstile, saying arguing at the turnstile, saying , in anyway. i'm going to , let me in anyway. i'm going to give cash. but. but give you some cash. but. but they're unusual and i really genuinely worry about this rate of i mean, say it's of change. i mean, you say it's been for a while. been going on for a while. i completely disagree. amazon completely disagree. so amazon has stores now in ealing. has got 15 stores now in ealing. the first one was only last march. they're have 260 march. they're going to have 260 of these by 2025. this is the very first one from aldi, the one that we saw there. it's in greenwich in london. and i don't believe, steve, that it's what the customer wants. that's what worries me. i feel like these

conversations are being had in boardrooms about how much more profitable this will be and how exciting is . but profitable this will be and how exciting is. but i profitable this will be and how exciting is . but i don't exciting it is. but i don't believe it's the consumer believe it's what the consumer desires. where they getting desires. where are they getting the idea from that we want this . okay, so there are a number of things i think, to unpack there. i mean, first of all, there are a group— i mean, first of all, there are a group ot— i mean, first of all, there are a group of consumers that really like a group of consumers that really the the— a group of consumers that really like the technology that really yatue— like the technology that really value convenience, the fact value the convenience, the fact that— value the convenience, the fact that they— value the convenience, the fact that they oe— value the convenience, the fact that they once they've subscribed _ that they once they've subscribed to the stores app , subscribed to the stores app, that— subscribed to the stores app, that they— subscribed to the stores app, that they don't— subscribed to the stores app, that they don't have to worry atout— that they don't have to worry atout 90i"9_ that they don't have to worry about going through a checkout . about going through a checkout. there— about going through a checkout. there ae— about going through a checkout. there are another— about going through a checkout. there are another group of consumers that— there are another group of consumers that i think you're ateotutety— consumers that i think you're absolutely right— consumers that i think you're absolutely right about. they're not—terna- absolutely right about. they're not—being being. not necessarily being being spoken— not necessarily being being spoken to— not necessarily being being spoken to decide what they want , tut— spoken to decide what they want , tut there — spoken to decide what they want , tut there te— spoken to decide what they want , but there is choice. there is eth— , but there is choice. there is etttt ehotee— , but there is choice. there is still choice .— , but there is choice. there is still choice . there- , but there is choice. there is still choice . there will be still choice. there will be ehotee— still choice. there will be ehotee tor— still choice. there will be choice for an— still choice. there will be choice for an extra ordinary numetr— choice for an extra ordinary numehr ot— choice for an extra ordinary number of years. now if we roll, there— number of years. now if we roll, there ten-t. — number of years. now if we roll, there isn't. but— number of years. now if we roll, there isn't. but there- number of years. now if we roll, there isn't. g�*tzrtz; c there isn't. but there isn't choice. if i want to go into that aldi, i, i love a super market. i love aldi , i love market. i love aldi, i love lidl. i want to shop. i do shop there. but i don't have the

choice to go into that shop unless i subscribe to their digital tyranny. so unless i subscribe to their digital tyranny . so go to digital tyranny. so go to a tttterent— digital tyranny. so go to a different store.— digital tyranny. so go to a different store. you- t: g cat so go to a different store. you know , i different store. you know, i want— different store. you know, i want to— different store. you know, i want to 90— different store. you know, i want to to to— different store. you know, i want to go to that store . i do want to go to that store. i do not— want to go to that store. i do not buy— want to go to that store. i do not tuy the— want to go to that store. i do not buy the argument that there is not buy the argument that there he not— not buy the argument that there he not enough— not buy the argument that there is not enough alternatives right . thre— is not enough alternatives right now . this technology and the now. this technology and the teotoyment— now. this technology and the teotoyment ot— now. this technology and the deployment of these technologies are deployment of these technologies tn— deployment of these technologies tn thetr— deployment of these technologies are in their infancy— deployment of these technologies are in their infancy agency. so there-e— are in their infancy agency. so there-e tote— are in their infancy agency. so there's lots and— are in their infancy agency. so there's lots and lots of opportunities- there's lots and lots of opportunities for us to shop eteeuhere— opportunities for us to shop eteeuhere .— opportunities for us to shop elsewhere . i— opportunities for us to shop elsewhere . i do— opportunities for us to shop elsewhere . i do think there's an elsewhere. i do think there's an teeue— elsewhere. i do think there's an atout— elsewhere. i do think there's an issue about how— elsewhere. i do think there's an issue about how how are these teetetone— issue about how how are these decisions arrived— issue about how how are these decisions arrived at. um, there ten-t— decisions arrived at. um, there rent a— decisions arrived at. um, there rent a reat— decisions arrived at. um, there isn't a real benefit— decisions arrived at. um, there isn't a real benefit to any eurneeeh— isn't a real benefit to any surprises to— isn't a real benefit to any surprises to corporations. atmoet— surprises to corporations. atmoet tn— surprises to corporations. almost in any- surprises to corporations. almost in any sector to do anythtnt— almost in any sector to do anything other— almost in any sector to do anything other than automate teeauee— anything other than automate because automate often tends to because automate often tends to he cheaper— because automate often tends to be cheaper than— because automate often tends to be cheaper than people. and i thtnt— be cheaper than people. and i thtnt you— be cheaper than people. and i think you raised— be cheaper than people. and i think you raised a really interesting— think you raised a really interesting point earlier on when— interesting point earlier on when you— interesting point earlier on when you said,— interesting point earlier on when you said, well, you know, what— when you said, well, you know, what atout— when you said, well, you know, what about universal basic heome— what about universal basic income? what— what about universal basic income? what about some of these other— income? what about some of these other-nou— income? what about some of these other-noulne- income? what about some of these other how we actually other things? how do we actually ensure-neopre— other things? how do we actually ensure people continue to ensure that people continue to the— ensure that people continue to the-thee— ensure that people continue to live-lives and- live fulfilling lives and aetuatty— live fulfilling lives and actually, that's the real debate

he...— actually, that's the real debate here, because _ actually, that's the real debate here, because what we won't do ant— here, because what we won't do ant what— here, because what we won't do ant uhat rte— here, because what we won't do and what it's not— here, because what we won't do and what it's not right to do, i ton-t— and what it's not right to do, i ton-t thtnt— and what it's not right to do, i don't think is— and what it's not right to do, i don't think is stop— and what it's not right to do, i don't think is stop the development of the technology the nont— development of the technology the rant-to- development of the technology the right-do is- development of the technology the right-do is to- the right thing to do is to understand— the right thing to do is to understand the implication understand what the implication is understand what the implication te ant— understand what the implication te ant what— understand what the implication te ant uhat ae— understand what the implication is and what as a— understand what the implication is and what as a society, we ehoutt— is and what as a society, we ehoutt to— is and what as a society, we should do about— is and what as a society, we should do about it. because if we tttn-t— should do about it. because if we didn't take— should do about it. because if we didn't take that approach to teehnotoay— we didn't take that approach to technology,-we'd- we didn't take that approach to technology, we'd all be technology, then we'd all be rtttnt— technology, then we'd all be riding-horses- technology, then we'd all be. riding-horses rather riding around on horses rather than—t- riding around on horses rather than—t thtnt- riding around on horses ratheri than—i think we're than in cars. but i think we're doing that back to front. steve i think we need to have the conversations now and i want these sunak these corporations rishi sunak is in america this week with biden he wants us to be the biden and he wants us to be the centre legislation and centre for legislation and framework ai. and framework around ai. and he said, going get all the said, i'm going to get all the bosses the companies in bosses from the ai companies in one together . and i one room together. and i thought, oh, brilliant, well that's echo that's going to be an echo chamber all agreeing to chamber of them all agreeing to keep the plebs where where we belong whilst you put all the regulation make regulation in place to make their businesses more profitable, room profitable, don't fill a room with a room with with that lot. fill a room with that lot me other people that lot and me or other people who to challenge the who want to challenge the presumption that is always presumption that this is always good mean . yeah i. good news is yeah, mean. yeah i. i kind of agree in— good news is yeah, mean. yeah i. i kind of agree in terms- good news is yeah, mean. yeah i. i kind of agree in terms of,- g: yeah i. i kind of agree in terms of, you thou— i kind of agree in terms of, you know .— i kind of agree in terms of, you know , whether— i kind of agree in terms of, you know , whether that's going to be know, whether that's going to be an etteet—

know, whether that's going to be an etteet .— know, whether that's going to be an effect , effective— know, whether that's going to be an effect , effective form of an effect, effective form of consultation _ an effect, effective form of consultation on _ an effect, effective form of consultation on and perhaps some ttnt— consultation on and perhaps some ttnt ot— consultation on and perhaps some kind of citizen— consultation on and perhaps some kind of citizen wide— kind of citizen wide consultation about it. what mates— consultation about it. what makes sense— consultation about it. what makes sense what it is that we aetuatty— makes sense what it is that we aetuatty want— makes sense what it is that we actually want the _ makes sense what it is that we actually want the issue here though— actually want the issue here though te— actually want the issue here though is that— actually want the issue here though is that you're still going— though is that you're still totna to— though is that you're still going to get— though is that you're still going to get a_ though is that you're still going to get a significant numetr— going to get a significant numehr ot— going to get a significant number of people, probably. i thtnt— number of people, probably. i thtnt the— number of people, probably. i think the majority saying , yes, think the majority saying, yes, i think the majority saying, yes, t atte— think the majority saying, yes, t the these— think the majority saying, yes, i like these technologies and these— i like these technologies and these technologies will allow me to to— these technologies will allow me to to eo— these technologies will allow me to to so much— these technologies will allow me to do so much more, make my life so much— to do so much more, make my life so much easter— to do so much more, make my life so much easier . and— to do so much more, make my life so much easier. and i think individuals,— so much easier. and i think individuals, people , the individuals, people, the poputatton— individuals, people, the population probably don't understand— population probably don't understand that there is this troater— understand that there is this broader perspective here, which is broader perspective here, which he the — broader perspective here, which is the potential— broader perspective here, which is the potential for these technologies— is the potential for these technologies to actually take tote— technologies to actually take tote out— technologies to actually take tote out ot— technologies to actually take jobs out of the— technologies to actually take jobs out of the marketplace now, retrace— jobs out of the marketplace now, reotaee them — jobs out of the marketplace now, replace them with— jobs out of the marketplace now, replace them with what necessarily— replace them with what necessarily a - replace them with what necessarily a bad thing and retrace— necessarily a bad thing and replace them— necessarily a bad thing and replace them with what steve and eoetat— replace them with what steve and social structures— replace them with what steve and social structures to— replace them with what steve and social structures to allow peoote— social structures to allow people to— social structures to allow people to live— social structures to allow people to live fulfilling lives ant— people to live fulfilling lives ant that— people to live fulfilling lives and that future— people to live fulfilling lives and that future there may be out there— and that future there may be out there on— and that future there may be out there on the— and that future there may be out there on the other— and that future there may be out there on the other hand, it meant— there on the other hand, it mtaht not— there on the other hand, it might not because these technologies— might not because these technologies might not be as nenaetye— technologies might not be as henaetye ae— technologies might not be as pervasive as we _ technologies might not be as pervasive as we imagine. but you see pervasive as we imagine. but you that— pervasive as we imagine. but you see that should— pervasive as we imagine. but you see that should be— pervasive as we imagine. but you see that should be surely the conversation _ see that should be surely the conversation should start with that. — conversation should start with that. the— conversation should start with that. the question- conversation should start with that. the question is- conversation should start with that. : that. the question is what is important human beings

important in life? human beings being purposeful, getting out of bed. you know, i don't know whether you're familiar with the famous maslow's hierarchy of needs, know, the triangle. needs, you know, the triangle. okay what need at the okay so what we need at the bottom is shelter and our bottom is our shelter and our food. at the pinnacle food. and then at the pinnacle of this of of that is this sense of purpose. and we're doing is purpose. and what we're doing is we're now saying the hierarchy of has include apps of needs has to include apps like the app is above the food and water. arguably, the app is before the food and water because you can't go in the supermarket market unless you've got app. we are got your app. and we are neglecting humanity . now, got your app. and we are neglecting humanity. now, this is this is where— neglecting humanity. now, this is this is where your— gf g “a" cat now, this is this is where your dystopian hereoeettye— is this is where your dystopian oereoeettye te— is this is where your dystopian perspective is creating . perspective is creating. sometoty— perspective is creating. somebody needs- perspective is creating. somebody needs to- perspective is creating. somebody needs to somebody needs you know, because i mean, i think it's a great debate to have, but we need to be really careful that we put the right balance in place because these technologies aren't stopping any one anywhere in the country from having what we might think of as a normal shopping experience . a normal shopping experience. what they're doing is they're teettnt — what they're doing is they're teettnt the — what they're doing is they're testing the validity of the teehnotogy— testing the validity of the technology to _ testing the validity of the technology to make sure that it

to— technology to make sure that it to what— technology to make sure that it can do what it's— technology to make sure that it can do what it's supposed to do. the— can do what it's supposed to do. the canteen— can do what it's supposed to do. the chances are— can do what it's supposed to do. the chances are it— can do what it's supposed to do. the chances are it can. so what we then— the chances are it can. so what we then neet— the chances are it can. so what we then need to— the chances are it can. so what we then need to do,— the chances are it can. so what we then need to do, if we troaten— we then need to do, if we broaden the— we then need to do, if we broaden the debate out is say, so how— broaden the debate out is say, so how to— broaden the debate out is say, so how to we— broaden the debate out is say, so how do we transition from what— so how do we transition from what we — so how do we transition from what we might— so how do we transition from what we might think of as a eoetety— what we might think of as a society characterised by pereonat— society characterised by personal interactions to one where— personal interactions to one where moet— personal interactions to one where most of— personal interactions to one where most of or most a lot of eoetettee— where most of or most a lot of societies characterised by tttttat— societies characterised by digital interactions and what is it digital interactions and what is tt ne— digital interactions and what is tt we neet— digital interactions and what is tt we neet to— digital interactions and what is it we need to put— digital interactions and what is it we need to put in place to that— it we need to put in place to ensure that we— it we need to put in place to ensure that we continue to euntye — ensure that we continue to euntye ant— ensure that we continue to survive and thrive as people and that— survive and thrive as people and that may— survive and thrive as people and that may he— survive and thrive as people and that may be that— survive and thrive as people and that may be that if— survive and thrive as people and that may be that if we do have ant— that may be that if we do have ant tm— that may be that if we do have ant t-m 90i"9_ that may be that if we do have ant t-m totna to— that may be that if we do have and i'm going to jump ahead now to the— and i'm going to jump ahead now to the mea— and i'm going to jump ahead now to this idea of— and i'm going to jump ahead now to this idea of universal basic tut— to this idea of universal basic income, but if— to this idea of universal basic income, but if we— to this idea of universal basic income, but if we do end up with umyereat— income, but if we do end up with universal basic— income, but if we do end up with universal basic income, because antttetat— universal basic income, because artificial intelligence, machine teamma— artificial intelligence, machine learning, robotics and these other— learning, robotics and these other reatty— learning, robotics and these other really smart technologies are other really smart technologies atte— other really smart technologies atte to— other really smart technologies are able to do— other really smart technologies are able to do the— other really smart technologies are able to do the jobs that we're we were— are able to do the jobs that we're we were traditionally able to to,— we're we were traditionally able to to, you— we're we were traditionally able to to, you thou,— we're we were traditionally able to do, you know, it— we're we were traditionally able to do, you know, it might be that— to do, you know, it might be that we— to do, you know, it might be that we need— to do, you know, it might be that we need these structures hroyttet— that we need these structures provided ty— that we need these structures provided by the _ that we need these structures provided by the public sector that— provided by the public sector that atou— provided by the public sector that allow to _ provided by the public sector that allow to us— provided by the public sector that allow to us live fulfilling thee,— that allow to us live fulfilling lives, because _ that allow to us live fulfilling lives, because whatever a lot of peonte— lives, because whatever a lot of ww“! eay, — lives, because whatever a lot of ww“! say-ot— lives, because whatever a lot of people say,-of our- people say, most of our fulfilment— people say, most of our fulfilment is- people say, most of our fulfilment is associated with wort. — fulfilment is associated with wort. so— fulfilment is associated with wort. so we— fulfilment is associated with work. so we do— fulfilment is associated with work. so we do need to replace

that.— work. so we do need to replace that. rte— work. so we do need to replace that. he a— work. so we do need to replace that. it's a great— work. so we do need to replace that. it's a great debate, but we that. it's a great debate, but tre-to— that. it's a great debate, but tre-to te— that. it's a great debate, but we-to be really- that. it's a great debate, but we to be really careful. we need to be really careful. hut— we need to be really careful. hut what— we need to be really careful. hut what you— we need to be really careful. but what you have— we need to be really careful. but what you have an- but what you have an unrealistically dystopian view of the future, what you have just , steve, is just described, steve, is communism . what you've just communism. what you've just described is a future in which nobody works and everyone gets the same amount of money from the same amount of money from the government. don't aspire to anything, don't compete, don't try and fulfil your potential. sit at home with your ai headset playing on your tech and the government will give you £1,600. i don't want to live in that world. idisagree i don't want to live in that world. i disagree . that's that's world. i disagree. that's that's : i disagree. that's that's communism . however, one of the communism. however, one of the thtnte— communism. however, one of the thtnte that— communism. however, one of the thtnte that .— communism. however, one of the thtnae that , you— communism. however, one of the things that , you know, if we things that, you know, if we protect— things that, you know, if we project forward _ things that, you know, if we project forward we might see is eomethtnt— project forward we might see is something that's— project forward we might see is something that's very different trom— something that's very different trom the— something that's very different from the capitalism that's aeneratet— from the capitalism that's generated the _ from the capitalism that's generated the wealth that, you know,— generated the wealth that, you thou, a— generated the wealth that, you thou, a tot— generated the wealth that, you thou, a tot ot— generated the wealth that, you know, a lot of people have been atte— know, a lot of people have been atte to— know, a lot of people have been atte to entoy— know, a lot of people have been atte to entoy .— know, a lot of people have been able to enjoy . so,— know, a lot of people have been able to enjoy . so, you know, if able to enjoy. so, you know, if we that— able to enjoy. so, you know, if we use that universal basic income example, we don't yet thon— income example, we don't yet know how— income example, we don't yet know how that— income example, we don't yet know how that might be funded . know how that might be funded. we know how that might be funded. the ton-t— know how that might be funded. the ton-t yet— know how that might be funded. we don't yet know— know how that might be funded. we don't yet know what the tranettton — we don't yet know what the transition of— we don't yet know what the transition of enterprise will be in transition of enterprise will be tn terme— transition of enterprise will be tn terme ot— transition of enterprise will be in terms of its— transition of enterprise will be in terms of its ability to ete— in terms of its ability to create funding through the

nutte— create funding through the outtte puree— create funding through the public purse in order to pay for that— public purse in order to pay for that .— public purse in order to pay for that . ant— public purse in order to pay for that . ant rt— public purse in order to pay for that . and if that's— public purse in order to pay for that . and if that's the case, that. and if that's the case, then— that. and if that's the case, then actually— that. and if that's the case, then actually you don't raise tax— then actually you don't raise tax ty— then actually you don't raise more tax by taxing people because— more tax by taxing people because the _ more tax by taxing people because the people will be paid through— because the people will be paid through universal— because the people will be paid through universal basic income. so through universal basic income. so the— through universal basic income. so the tax— through universal basic income. so the tax burden— through universal basic income. so the tax burden falls on entemnee— so the tax burden falls on enteronee .— so the tax burden falls on enterprise . now perhaps what you enterprise. now perhaps what you do enterprise. now perhaps what you to then— enterprise. now perhaps what you to then te— enterprise. now perhaps what you to then to you— enterprise. now perhaps what you do then is you change the nature of do then is you change the nature ot the— do then is you change the nature ot the tax— do then is you change the nature of the tax system.— do then is you change the nature of the tax system. and what you do of the tax system. and what you to te— of the tax system. and what you to to you— of the tax system. and what you to to you tax— of the tax system. and what you do is you tax those— of the tax system. and what you do is you tax those enterprise, that— do is you tax those enterprise, eases that focus— do is you tax those enterprise, eases that focus on automate metron— eases that focus on automate ant— eases that focus on automate mission, and you— eases that focus on automate mission, and you give the tenettt— mission, and you give the tenettt to— mission, and you give the benefit to those companies that emntoy— benefit to those companies that employ people- _ benefit to those companies that employ people. so you kind of mm— employ people. so you kind of ehttt where— employ people. so you kind of shift where the _ employ people. so you kind of shift where the tax is made. that— shift where the tax is made. that you— shift where the tax is made. what you then _ shift where the tax is made. what you then do is you begin to say,— what you then do is you begin to say, nett— what you then do is you begin to say yet what— what you then do is you begin to say, well, what is— what you then do is you begin to say, well, what is it— what you then do is you begin to say, well, what is it that the nutte— say, well, what is it that the public sector,— say, well, what is it that the public sector, the public eenteee— public sector, the public services should include? should it services should include? should tt he,— services should include? should tt he, um— services should include? should tt he, tree— services should include? should it be, um, free banking? should it be, um, free banking? should tt te— it be, um, free banking? should tt he tree— it be, um, free banking? should it be free public— it be, um, free banking? should it be free public transport? shoutt— it be free public transport? shoutt rt— it be free public transport? should it be— it be free public transport? should it be free access to wifi 7 should it be free access to wifi trou— should it be free access to wifi thou thou,— should it be free access to wifi thou thou, eo— should it be free access to wifi ? you know, so you— should it be free access to wifi ? you know, so you start to look at the— ? you know, so you start to look at the ttnt— ? you know, so you start to look at the ttnt ot— ? you know, so you start to look at the kind of services that oeoote— at the kind of services that people utt— at the kind of services that people will value and you put those— people will value and you put those tn— people will value and you put those in place— people will value and you put those in place not only that, mayhe— those in place not only that, mayte you— those in place not only that, maybe you replace what we think of maybe you replace what we think ot ae— maybe you replace what we think ot ae nort— maybe you replace what we think ot ae wort hy— maybe you replace what we think of as work by some— maybe you replace what we think of as work by some form of eommuntty— of as work by some form of community service . now that's community service. now that's just— community service. now that's tuet oe— community service. now that's tuet ttea— community service. now that's just one idea that— community service. now that's just one idea that we do. and we have— just one idea that we do. and we have to— just one idea that we do. and we have to te— just one idea that we do. and we have to be careful— just one idea that we do. and we have to be careful what we do.

we have to be careful what we do. the eth— have to be careful what we do. we still have— have to be careful what we do. we still have to— have to be careful what we do. we still have to give people ehotee. — we still have to give people ehotee. tm— we still have to give people choice. i'm not— we still have to give people choice. i'm not suggesting that any— choice. i'm not suggesting that any-thtnte— choice. i'm not suggesting that any things eliminate any of these things eliminate the neet— any of these things eliminate the neet tor— any of these things eliminate the need for choice , but we the need for choice, but we ehouttn-t— the need for choice, but we shouldn't kind— the need for choice, but we shouldn't kind of hide our head in shouldn't kind of hide our head tn the— shouldn't kind of hide our head tn the tant— shouldn't kind of hide our head in the sand and— shouldn't kind of hide our head in the sand and say, oh, this is all in the sand and say, oh, this is at autut— in the sand and say, oh, this is all awful without— in the sand and say, oh, this is all awful without actually tootha— all awful without actually toottnt at— all awful without actually looking at what the future might be, looking at what the future might to what— looking at what the future might he, that the — looking at what the future might be, what the choices might be, ant— be, what the choices might be, ant what— be, what the choices might be, ant what the— be, what the choices might be, and what the range of different eoetat— and what the range of different social solutions— and what the range of different social solutions might be, even ntthtn— social solutions might be, even utthtn the— social solutions might be, even within the context— social solutions might be, even within the context of a very many— within the context of a very highly digitalised world. heeauee— highly digitalised world. because actually we don't know ant— because actually we don't know ant that-e— because actually we don't know ant that-e why— because actually we don't know and that's why debates like this are and that's why debates like this ueetut— and that's why debates like this are useful because don't you thtnt— are useful because don't you thtnt the— are useful because don't you think the future— are useful because don't you think the future is uncertain? steye— think the future is uncertain? steye t— think the future is uncertain? steve i could— think the future is uncertain? steve i could talk to you all nttht— steve i could talk to you all nttht atout— steve i could talk to you all night about it. _ steve i could talk to you all night about it. i- steve i could talk to you all night about it. f: night about it. i could talk to you all night. we might have to carry this on over a couple of bottle of wine, a bottle of wine. one night you and i. but the thing that i still. i am actually more worried, having spoken to you rather than less. because the of the world because the image of the world you my world is dystopian. you think my world is dystopian. your in which your world is dystopian in which people community service people do community service and get government . it's get paid by the government. it's never going to work. it's not factoring in. i tell you what, i've got two teenagers, nearly

three teenagers in my house. they would love the government to give £1,600 to do to give them £1,600 to do absolutely month to absolutely every month to do absolutely every month to do absolutely nothing and tell absolutely nothing and then tell them pick litter a them to go and pick litter a couple week. you know couple of times a week. you know what? be depressed. what? they'll be depressed. they'll isolated, they'll be they'll be isolated, they'll be unfit, they'll be demotivated. they lack intelligence. they will lack intelligence. they will lack intelligence. they will lack initiative . and they will lack initiative. and i'm going to blame you when it happens. steve. it's been a joy. thank you so much. thanks so much for filling us in on i mean, look, got a statement mean, look, we got a statement from let know you from aldi. let me know what you think, won't aldi have think, won't you? aldi have said, to clear, like that said, to be clear, i like that as a start of a statement, our shop and go trial store opened 18 months ago and has had over welcomingly positive feedback from customers . uh, not if you from customers. uh, not if you look on twitter today . they also look on twitter today. they also say we have no plans to roll it out further at this stage . out further at this stage. farage wonder why it also employs around the same number of people as a stand aad store. well, it might for now because lots of people will be mopping up the mess of your technological but up the mess of your techncthis cal but up the mess of your techncthis space. but up the mess of your techncthis space. right. but up the mess of your techncthis space. right. thank watch this space. right. thank you to futurist steve wells. you are watching listening to

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both of you. thank you so, so muchltotntnt— both of you. thank you so, so much joining louis can much forjoining me. louis can i aet— much forjoining me. louis can i aet you— much forjoining me. louis can i aet you thet— much forjoining me. louis can i ask you, first of— much forjoining me. louis can i ask you, first of all,— much forjoining me. louis can i ask you, first of all, what's the— ask you, first of all, what's the-hunch - ask you, first of all, what's- the - brunch podcast? the bisexual brunch podcast? or,— the bisexual brunch podcast? ohr-a_ the bisexual brunch podcast? ohia hotcaet— the bisexual brunch podcast? oh,-a podcast that- the bisexual brunch podcast? oh,-a podcast thatlwas. oh, it's a podcast that i was that came up with because we that we came up with because we couldn't media to talk couldn't get the media to talk about bisexuality. so there's couldn't get the media to talk aboutof sexuality. so there's couldn't get the media to talk aboutof us.iality. so there's couldn't get the media to talk aboutof us. wety. so there's couldn't get the media to talk aboutof us. we do so there's couldn't get the media to talk aboutof us. we do so tepisode three of us. we do an episode every two weeks, every month, andifs every two weeks, every month, and it's really great. it's a really interesting topic. i think oh, lgbt, think everyone thinks, oh, lgbt, we know all about it, but actually of uncover actually you kind of uncover a lot on the. you talk lot of stuff on the. you talk mainly about— tit" you talk mainly about sexuality then, or is mainly about sexuality then, or he rt— mainly about sexuality then, or he tt tuet— mainly about sexuality then, or is it just random— mainly about sexuality then, or is it just random stuff from a hteexuat— is it just random stuff from a bisexual perspective? its bisexual perspective? mainly atout— bisexual perspective? mainly| atout—atout about sexuality, mainly about lgbt, about lgbt, but also about relationships kind of relationships and like kind of how differ and of our how they differ and kind of our perspective dating people perspective from dating people of and then of different genders and then kind looking at how other kind of looking at how other people , right? so you have kind people, right? so you have kind of people, right? so you have kind ot come— people, right? so you have kind ot trom— people, right? so you have kind of come from the— ” g? so you have kind of come from the future, ” g7 so you have kind of come from the future, haven't you,— of come from the future, haven't you-so — of come from the future, haven't you-so a— of come from the future, haven't you-so a ttttte- of come from the future, haven't you,-so a little bit,- you, really? so a little bit, truet— you, really? so a little bit, truet ne— you, really? so a little bit, truet a— you, really? so a little bit, trust me, a few— you, really? so a little bit, trust me, a few years ago, haunt— trust me, a few years ago, haytna thre— trust me, a few years ago, having this conversation , but having this conversation, but what— having this conversation, but what ttt— having this conversation, but what ttt you— having this conversation, but what did you make of my chat there— what did you make of my chat there ruth— what did you make of my chat there with steve— what did you make of my chat there with steve the futurist? tthat— there with steve the futurist? that ttt— there with steve the futurist? that ttt you — there with steve the futurist? what did you make of it, connor did what did you make of it, connor htt you— what did you make of it, connor htt you thtnt— what did you make of it, connor htt you thtnt t— what did you make of it, connor did you think i was— what did you make of it, connor did you think i was screaming at the th— did you think i was screaming at the tv tn— did you think i was screaming at the tv tn the— did you think i was screaming at the tv in the green— did you think i was screaming at the tv in the green room because is the tv in the green room because he the— the tv in the green room because he the ttea— the tv in the green room because is the idea that— the tv in the green room because is the idea that this— the tv in the green room because is the idea that this technology is the idea that this technology te not— is the idea that this technology he not torna— is the idea that this technology te not tome-he— is the idea that this technology is not going be used for is not going to be used for exctuetonary— is not going to be used for exclusionary purposes is tauthahte. — exclusionary purposes is laughable. .of- exclusionary purposes is laughable. exclusionary purposes is- laughable. .of all, as you laughable. first of all, as you

alluded sunak is alluded to, rishi sunak is currently the us chatting to currently in the us chatting to president biden, who probably doesn't where is and doesn't know where he is and he's saying, i'm to make he's saying, i'm going to make the the hub for setting the uk the hub for setting ai policy is appointed the policy. he is appointed the world forum as lead world economic forum as lead consultant. the consultant. this is on the government website policy government website on al policy and world economic forum and the world economic forum have this called have set up this thing called esg in conjunction with most of the funds that have a very the hedge funds that have a very large companies. large stake in most companies. so esg being environmental and eoctat— so esg being environmental and social governance. _ social governance. yes, words that—run- social governance. yes, wordsi that—run cold. that make my blood run cold. yeah— that make my blood run cold. yeah-a— that make my blood run cold. yeah,-a corporate- that make my blood run cold. yeah, a corporate social yeah, that's a corporate social crettt—uhat- yeah, that's a corporate social. credit—what they've credit score. and what they've done document blueprint done in their document blueprint for digital identity back for a digital identity back in 2014, uk cabinet 2014, which the uk cabinet office actually on, office actually consulted on, they set not a corporate they set not only a corporate identity consumer identity but a consumer identity. when you're on the identity. so when you're on the balance sheet for a company's esg score, either your consumer base is compliant with esg , what base is compliant with esg, what they're twitter, they're posting on twitter, whether they're buying whether or not they're buying from because you're from your store because you're donating enough activist donating to enough activist causes, asset causes, that's either an asset or liability you to be or a liability for you to be subsidised. what they're subsidised. so what they're going do is you post the going to do is if you post the wrong thing on twitter and that's your digital that's linked to your digital id, that's linked to your phone, sorry, not going to sorry, we're not going to let you in gate. can't buy your

you in the gate. can't buy your food. it's brilliant. it's also ahout— food. it's brilliant. it's also atout-tact— food. it's brilliant. it's also about-fact that- food. it's brilliant. it's also about-fact thatllot. food. it's brilliant. it's also. about-fact thatllotlthe about the fact that a lot of the technotottee— about the fact that a lot of the technologies which will be retutret— technologies which will be required-this- technologies which will be required this digital required to live in this digital nont— required to live in this digital uortt have— required to live in this digital world have patented. world have been patented. tunntty— world have been patented.- funnily_massive funnily enough, by the massive corhorattone— corporations and so those patente— corporations and so those patents will— corporations and so those patents will not. so those those hrotucte — patents will not. so those those products, those _ patents will not. so those those products, those technologies utt— products, those technologies nth-ot— products, those technologies uttt-ot-to- products, those technologies. will-of-tolbuilder will not be of use to a builder in will not be of use to a builder n-heue- will not be of use to a builder in - because you - will not be of use to a builder in because you won't in redding because you won't have— in redding because you won't hate—ot- in redding because you won't have—or thel have access to some of the technototy— have access to some of the technology. that's how this that-e—outl technology. that's how this. that's—out, isn't that's how this spins out, isn't it? that's how this spins out, isn't “7—90ing- that's how this spins out, isn't ttt—tone uh- that's how this spins out, isn't “7_9°i“9 uh tohi that's how this spins out, isn't. it?_90in9 up topr top it? more money going up top, top tonn— it? more money going up top, top down, leadership— it? more money going up top, top down, leadership profit at the top,— down, leadership profit at the too, ematt— down, leadership profit at the top, small businesses collapse. yeah—thel top, small businesses collapse.| yeah—the te yeah, it's big data. and this is why— yeah, it's big data. and this is why biden is al bill of why joe biden is al bill of rights. bill has appointed certain ngos the arbiters of certain ngos as the arbiters of what will fed into the what data will be fed into the algorithms eventually algorithms which will eventually govern just govern us. so they're just creating activist creating a permanent activist class tell us class that will then tell us exactly what we should buy and if we can buy it. lewis, lewis thtnt.— if we can buy it. lewis, lewis tttht. t— if we can buy it. lewis, lewis ttaht. t ton-t— if we can buy it. lewis, lewis right. i don't know- �*" i s e lewis, lewis right. i don't know whether you-e— right. i don't know whether youre t— right. i don't know whether youre t ton-t— right. i don't know whether you're i don't know how much youre— you're i don't know how much youre ot— you're i don't know how much you're aware of all of that tetat— you're aware of all of that detail that— you're aware of all of that detail that of— you're aware of all of that detail that of was talking about there.— detail that of was talking about there. hot— detail that of was talking about there. not all— detail that of was talking about there. not all of— detail that of was talking about there. not all of that. ti : there. not all of that. he needs a htt— there. not all of that. he needs a htt mr— there. not all of that. he needs a bit more about than i do, but look, all i can all i can say is i don't think that you guys are completely wrong. i'm lgbt, i'm paranoid by nature of what could what could you app to do

what could you use the app to do in wrong person's hands? so in the wrong person's hands? so it worry. i do also think it is a worry. i do also think it's a worry. as you were talking about before, about people's people just people's jobs, people just working people's jobs, people just wo sotg people's jobs, people just wo so i'm people's jobs, people just woso i'm cautious about it, it. so i'm cautious about it, but i will say probably 30 years ago we'd have had this argument about a mobile phone saying, oh, no, keep it, keep it strapped to the wall. we want to be the wall. we don't want to be walking with know walking around with it. i know that there's bit of that there's a bit of a difference there, but i think, like it or not, this is going to happen. one of these by happen. there's one of these by me. there's amazon one me. me. there's an amazon one by me. and was of like the video and i was kind of like the video shoot at the beginning. couldn't work get in, but they work out how to get in, but they will process. this is will refine the process. this is going happen. so we have to going to happen. so we have to look at, okay, if it's going to happen, we draw the happen, where do we draw the line? would you say on a day to day tech improvements are day basis, tech improvements are helping or improvements, tech changes your life changes are making your life easier that's easier or harder? oh, that's a really tricky one. and that's the root— really tricky one. and that's the root ot— really tricky one. and that's the root of it,— really tricky one. and that's the root of it, right? - ”tirslgt ”tie/g and that's the root of it, right? s the root of it, right? i mean, you— the root of it, right? i mean, you then.— the root of it, right? i mean, you then. to— the root of it, right? i mean, you know, do i give my daughter the ipad and it keeps her quiet while we're making . you know, while we're making. you know, that's helpful. but then do i get dragged into twitter streams

and lose two hours at a time? it's not clear cut if you're if. do you drive? no so if you're trtytnt— do you drive? no so if you're trtytnt ant— do you drive? no so if you're driving and you're parking your car driving and you're parking your ant— driving and you're parking your ant you— driving and you're parking your car and you can't— driving and you're parking your car and you can't put money in the— car and you can't put money in the metre— car and you can't put money in the metre anymore, it's exctuttnt— the metre anymore, it's excluding excluding sorts excluding excluding all sorts of, excluding excluding all sorts otltnou— excluding excluding all sorts of, know, particularly of, you know, particularly etterty— of, you know, particularly elderly people - of, you know, particularly elderly people who want to use caeh— elderly people who want to use caeh te— elderly people who want to use caeh te tt— elderly people who want to use cash is it making— elderly people who want to use cash is it making life cash is it making your life eaeter— cash is it making your life easier? conor— cash is it making your life easier? conor i'd say it's mathe— easier? conor i'd say it's mattnt tt— easier? conor i'd say it's making it more alienating heue— making it more alienating because -the- making it more alienating because the kind of because this is the kind of manaaenat— because this is the kind of managerial technological future they-re— managerial technological future they're promising— managerial technological future they're promising us. 't: they're promising us. and this is something you hit upon in your monologue. we're going to have varieties have endless varieties of consumer social consumer goods, but no social mobility. no ability to have mobility. we no ability to have free choice. and what what they're making it is so that you don't have to have any social obugafions don't have to have any social obligations reliance each obligations or reliance on each other to access other in order to access all this material there's no this material goods. there's no bonds there's no bonds of sentiment. there's no sources of meaning. and that's why my generation, particularly, we've social media time we've got more social media time than more than ever. we've got more material ever, but material goods than ever, but we've our we've got a ceiling over our head we can't have a house head where we can't have a house and a family independently without wealth without a vast amount of wealth that and putting that we inherit. and putting it lightly , generation having lightly, my generation is having far relationship, less far fewer relationship, less intimate any other intimate than any other generation that's what

generation prior. that's what technology it's technology is doing to us. it's castrating us. don't know castrating us. i don't know whether you saw apple have introduced new headset introduced their new ai headset this week, was greeted this week, which was greeted with kind of well, generally excitement, predominantly . and excitement, predominantly. and that's what i think is interesting- that's what i think is interesting when these when theee— interesting when these when theee ne— interesting when these when these new products come online, when— these new products come online, when theee— these new products come online, when theee ne— these new products come online, when these new technologies, technological— when these new technologies, technological happen in technological advances happen in this technological advances happen in the—very- technological advances happen in thte—wery muchl this conversation is very much ettet— this conversation is very much one sided. the— this conversation is very much one sided. the enthusiast ism. so one sided. the enthusiast ism. so when— one sided. the enthusiast ism. so when t— one sided. the enthusiast ism. so when t ae— one sided. the enthusiast ism. so when i was talking to steve, our so when i was talking to steve, tuturtet— so when i was talking to steve, our futurist just— so when i was talking to steve, our futurist just before about what— our futurist just before about what tote— our futurist just before about what jobs will— our futurist just before about what jobs will people do , no one what jobs will people do, no one can answer that— what jobs will people do, no one can answer that for— what jobs will people do, no one can answer that for me, communtty— can answer that for me, community service, art, the star het— community service, art, the star trek enterprise— community service, art, the star trek enterprise likes travelling the tataxy. — trek enterprise likes travelling the galaxy. that's- trek enterprise likes travelling the galaxy. ”ti ”ti the galaxy. that's where we're going. we're like, look at all the sci fi stuff in the future. yes, there are the dystopian nightmares and i am worried that is the way we could go. but then we could be off on starships exploring eventually. well, i guess could say you don't guess you could say you don't have you have a job that did not exist. years ago. if you're exist. ten years ago. if you're worttnt— exist. ten years ago. if you're worttnt ae— exist. ten years ago. if you're worttnt ae a— tix ten years ago. if you're working as a podcast, you're yeah— working as a podcast, you're yeah, that-e— working as a podcast, you're yeah, that's possibly the kind of yeah, that's possibly the kind ot-that— yeah, that's possibly the kind of-that would- yeah, that's possibly the kind. of-that would-under of work that would come under the-creattwe - of work that would come under the-creative and-

the banner of creative and technological— the banner of creative and technological and self—driven. yeah— technological and self—driven. yeah self—published. e l yeah self—published. it's like anythingr— yeah self—published. it's like anything, it's, i don't think anything, it's, i don't think anything is good or bad. it is how it is used, right? so yeah, i wouldn't be known 20 years ago, but you know, being able to, you know, on the bisexual front as well actually connect people that would have never been and never it been connected and never made it to mainstream, that's been to the mainstream, that's been useful. clear useful. so it's not clear cut right. let's useful. so it's not clear cut right . let's move on a little right. let's move on a little htt.— right. let's move on a little htt. hete— right. let's move on a little htt. tet-e tuet— right. let's move on a little bit. let's just talk- ”g let's move on a little bit. let's just talk about wattne— bit. let's just talk about nadine dorries, if we can. now, of course, everybody has the nont— of course, everybody has the rttht to— of course, everybody has the right to change— of course, everybody has the right to change their mind, but wattne— right to change their mind, but nadine dorries— right to change their mind, but nadine dorries this morning said she nadine dorries this morning said ehe aent— nadine dorries this morning said ehe waent torna— nadine dorries this morning said she wasn't going to step down ant— she wasn't going to step down ant tour— she wasn't going to step down and four hours— she wasn't going to step down and four hours later she said ehe— and four hours later she said ehe-wow— and four hours later she said ehe-wow ot— and four hours later she said she now of course she she did. now of course she aent— she did. now of course she aent tn— she did. now of course she wasn't in the— she did. now of course she wasn't in the honours list for none— wasn't in the honours list for boris johnson. _ wasn't in the honours list for boris johnson. do— wasn't in the honours list for boris johnson. do you think that-e— boris johnson. do you think that's what's— boris johnson. do you think that's what's behind this? coornn— that's what's behind this? connor t— that's what's behind this? connor i would— that's what's behind this? connor i would be- that's what's behind this? connor i would be surprised because she hasn't come out and said something against boris, even though being a boris loyalist. my frustration with nadine dorries that, nadine dorries is that, like many conservative politician , many conservative politician, she's labour has yet to be in government therefore government, therefore held to account. allowed to account. but they're allowed to fail doing fail upwards despite doing a complete disservice during lockdown and frankly, we've had

the revelations from the telegraph this week that nadine dorries the dorries department, the department for media, culture and under oliver dowden and sport under oliver dowden was spying on critics of lockdown, people like molly kingsley have asked for them. and when asked nadine and when they asked nadine dorries, your role dorries, what was your role in this, said, i don't really this, she said, i don't really know was going the know what was going on in the meetings. i just sort of vaguely heard about it. so either she is so at her didn't so bad at herjob, she didn't know what was meant to be know what she was meant to be doing and can't remember or she's so how is she she's just lying. so how is she allowed to have her own television show and essentially allowed to have her own televisi scotiow and essentially allowed to have her own televisi scot free? nd essentially allowed to have her own televisi scot free? justssentially allowed to have her own televisi scot free? just leave illy get off scot free? just leave the government tidy the government with a tidy little off absolutely no little pay off and absolutely no scrutiny? it's disgrace. scrutiny? i think it's disgrace. do slightly do you think she's slightly thrown— do you think she's slightly thrown-out- do you think she's slightly thrown-out of- do you think she's slightly thrown out of her do you think she's slightly- thrown -out of her pram? thrown her toys out of her pram? tewte— thrown her toys out of her pram? tewte or— thrown her toys out of her pram? tewte or te— thrown her toys out of her pram? lewis or is she— thrown her toys out of her pram? lewis or is she just— thrown her toys out of her pram? lewis or is she just sounds like it lewis or is she just sounds like tt toee. — lewis or is she just sounds like tt toee. t— lewis or is she just sounds like it does. i mean,— lewis or is she just sounds like it does. i mean, i'd- lewis or is she just sounds like it does. t: lewis or is she just sounds like it does. s t: it does. i mean, i'd love to know happened those kind know what happened in those kind of between i'm of five hours between i'm nailing myself to the i'm nailing myself to the floor. i'm off. of here. so off. i'm out of here. so something happened. but i don't know. i mean, the thing know. i mean, the honest thing is that just happen is that did that just happen today?i is that did that just happen today? i mean, we've about today? i mean, we've known about this while. that there was this for a while. that there was this for a while. that there was this list of honours. was it a shock? because, of course, boris tohneon-e— shock? because, of course, boris

tohneon-e-teah.- shock? because, of course, boris johnson's-yeah. you- johnson's father. yeah. you tnow— johnson's father. yeah. you know, stanley— johnson's father. / you know, stanley johnson johnson's father. t/tggte you know, stanley johnson has got johnson's father. t/tggte you know, stanley johnson has got an know, stanley johnson has got an hoour— know, stanley johnson has got an hoour tn— know, stanley johnson has got an hoour tn tn— know, stanley johnson has got an honour in in boris— know, stanley johnson has got an honour in in boris johnson's reetonatton— honour in in boris johnson's resignation list— honour in in boris johnson's resignation list ,_ honour in in boris johnson's resignation list , which it honour in in boris johnson's resignation list, which it just heooare— resignation list, which it just beggars belief— resignation list, which it just beggars belief that you can give your— beggars belief that you can give your own— beggars belief that you can give your tat— beggars belief that you can give your tat a— beggars belief that you can give your own dad a gong on the way out. — your own dad a gong on the way out. agath— your own dad a gong on the way out. again, another— your own dad a gong on the way out. gs s s out. again, another person who has, we say , a dangerous has, shall we say, a dangerous record of rhetoric. i was at a cop26 event and he finished the panel that he was chairing by saying that popular motion control was a good idea to kerb climate change. he has written a book this excuse me if i book about this excuse me if i don't think that that man with his dark designs should given his dark designs should be given an people allowed an honour again, people allowed to upwards. the to fail upwards. and the most funny i and i think this funny one i saw and i think this is correct, is that boris johnson giving his hairdresser an obe. i don't i've not heard that— an obe. i don't i've not heard that oe— an obe. i don't i've not heard that one. david— [jit i don't i've not heard that one. david cameron did give his that one. david cameron did give hte—t- that one. david cameron did give hte—t eaw| his hairdresser an obe so i saw it his hairdresser an obe so i saw tt on— his hairdresser an obe so i saw tt on twttter— his hairdresser an obe so i saw it on twitter earlier as part of the— it on twitter earlier as part of thte honoue— it on twitter earlier as part of this honours-i- it on twitter earlier as part of this honours-i can- it on twitter earlier as part of this honours i s it on twitter earlier as part of. this honours-i can be fact this honours list. i can be fact checked. that's true. one, i'm shocked that boris johnson had a hairdresser. he clearly not hairdresser. he did clearly not torna— hairdresser. he did clearly not totno that— hairdresser. he did clearly not doing that great— hairdresser. he did clearly not doing that great a— ”t: he did clearly not doing that great a job. but also why— doing that great a job. but also why ar— doing that great a job. but also why we— doing that great a job. but also why are we giving stylists royal honours? i to know if the honours? i want to know if the tecorator— honours? i want to know if the tecorator tot— honours? i want to know if the decorator got one.— ”57 i want to know if the decorator got one. remember the tecoratore — decorator got one. remember the decorator? - designer? - decorator got one. remember the decorator? : g “ti”7 decorator? the designer? i think she one, didn't she? did she did get one, didn't she? did she?i

she did get one, didn't she? did she? i have a feeling that she already had but i genuinely already had one, but i genuinely think we should do away think that we should do away with of gong for with any sort of gong for anybody worked on. anybody that's worked on. i don't like the idea of prime ministers shoring up, currying favours with people under the cloak of secrecy and saying, do you know what? do this for us? because when i'm out the door, you're going to be i'll look after you. i think that's a tenth— after you. i think that's a terrible thing.— after you. i think that's a terrible thing. it's- i think that's a terrible thing. it's how it's put— terrible thing. it's how it's out two— terrible thing. it's how it's put into practise, right? i actuatty— put into practise, right? i actually think- put into practise, right? i actually think mps that have eewet— actually think mps that have eerwet oetttno— actually think mps that have served getting to go on to the totte— served getting to go on to the torte ant— served getting to go on to the torte ant he— served getting to go on to the lords and be kind of advisory hte— lords and be kind of advisory arte—that— lords and be kind of advisory like _that that- like in practise that that ehoutt— like in practise that that should work.— like in practise that that should work. but it's not. it's all should work. but it's not. it's art-rte— should work. but it's not. it's art-rte ath- should work. but it's not. it's all-it's all,.you. all favours. it's all, as you say,— all favours. it's all, as you eay,-uhwarte.- all favours. it's all, as you say,-upwards..l,| all favours. it's all, as youi say,-upwards..l, i say, failing upwards. so i, i get— say, failing upwards. so i, i get tt— say, failing upwards. so i, i get tt tn— say, failing upwards. so i, i get it in principle. but how he— get it in principle. but how he hetno— get it in principle. but how it's being acted— get it in principle. but how it's being acted out is not wett— it's being acted out is not wett. she-e— it's being acted out is not well. she's left- it's being acted out is not well. she's left , she's given well. she's left, she's given them— well. she's left, she's given rishi sunak— well. she's left, she's given rishi sunak a— well. she's left, she's given rishi sunak a problem because there-e— rishi sunak a problem because there-e tomo— rishi sunak a problem because there-e tone to— rishi sunak a problem because there's going to be a by—election- there's going to be a by—election now in her constituency- by—election now in her constituency of mid bedfordshire. e constituency of mid- bedfordshire. itla very constituency of mid— bedfordshire. itla very safe bedfordshire. it is a very safe tory but frankly, there's tory seat. but frankly, there's no right now at the no such thing right now at the moment, right moment, is there? right gentlemen, thank much. gentlemen, thank you so much. you are watching listening you are watching and listening to you for to gb news. thank you for joining still come, joining me. still to come, birmingham, manchester and peterborough. are they in the north? interesting north? we've got an interesting conversation makes conversation about what makes

you makes you you northern, what makes you southern, and it

thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, hrttatn-e— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news .— thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news. channel very toot— britain's news. channel very toot ewentnt. — britain's news. channel very good evening. thank you for watching the telly on such a beautiful evening. or maybe you're listening to me on the radio in your garden with a beer . either way, am bev turner in . either way, i am bev turner in for laurence fox this evening. now the north south now the famous north south divide well, it never divide is back. well, it never really went but there's really went away, but there's a new north south divide calculation and it's in pasties . at least the number of them here is the map. yes, more digital goblins, right? so artificial intelligence has decided to divide the country . decided to divide the country. three, based on the number of greggs bakeries compared to pret a manger . greggs bakeries compared to pret a manger. right. so the logic behind this, it sounds a bit crazy, but it's sort of works because what they're basically saying is that people who shop in pret a manger as well have slightly higher incomes . and

slightly higher incomes. and greggs is perhaps people of a lower socioeconomic group, blah blah, blah. so it is about social class, but it's very much north south divide. now, connor, you drew your own map. this was a while ago. it caused— you drew your own map. this was a while ago. it caused a- t: ” this was a while ago. it caused a little bit a while ago. it caused a little htt ot— a while ago. it caused a little htt ot eth— a while ago. it caused a little bit of stir. yeah.— a while ago. it caused a little bit of stir. yeah. so let's have a toot— bit of stir. yeah. so let's have a hoot at— bit of stir. yeah. so let's have a look at what— bit of stir. yeah. so let's have a look at what you did. talk me through— a look at what you did. talk me through this one. it was- a look at what you did. talk me through this one. it was a- a look at what you did. g it was a bit through this one. it was a bit of a through this one. it was a bit ot a wtnt— through this one. it was a bit ot a wtnt uh,— through this one. it was a bit of a wind up, but— through this one. it was a bit of a wind up, but two,- g it was a bit of a wind up, but two, i'm just going— of a wind up, but two, i'm just going to— of a wind up, but two, i'm just going to commit— of a wind up, but two, i'm just going to commit-it- of a wind up, but two, i'm just going to commit it for the going to commit to it for the htt. — going to commit to it for the htt. t— going to commit to it for the htt. t thtnt— going to commit to it for the bit. i think luton_ going to commit to it for the bit. i think luton milton bit. i think luton and milton teynee— bit. i think luton and milton keynes-northern- bit. i think luton and milton keynes northern cities in keynes are northern cities in character,— keynes are northern cities in character, eo— keynes are northern cities in character, so we're going to annexe-then- character, so we're going to annexe -then thel character, so we're going to- annexe -then the south annexe those and then the south can annexe those and then the south -oatort,— annexe those and then the south can oxford, cambridge can still have oxford, cambridge and can still have oxford, cambridge ant eome— can still have oxford, cambridge ant ot— can still have oxford, cambridge and some of east— can still have oxford, cambridge and some of east anglia and east anetta— and some of east anglia and east anetta-ot— and some of east anglia and east anetta-otltte- and some of east anglia and east anglia -of i its own - anglia can kind of be its own thtnt— anglia can kind of be its own thtnt-to— anglia can kind of be its own thtnt-to-sol anglia can kind of be its own. thing -to -so it'd thing parallel to wales. so it'd be thing parallel to wales. so it'd he-ntce— thing parallel to wales. so it'd be-nice little— thing parallel to wales. so it'd be nice little sister be like a nice little sister thtnt.— be like a nice little sister thtnt-then- be like a nice little sister thing.-then else thing. and then everyone else that— thing. and then everyone else that-hte— thing. and then everyone else that-like the- thing. and then everyone else that like the south can that doesn't like the south can hant— that doesn't like the south can can band together. so yours want— can band together. so yours wasn't based on, on any sort of meat based snack products. well, no, because theirs is ruhhteh— rubbish, right? because it has ewtntte— rubbish, right? because it has ewtntte tn— rubbish, right? because it has swindle in the— rubbish, right? because it has swindle in the south and that matee— swindle in the south and that makes sense. but for the makes sense. but for not the reason they've put it there, heue— reason they've put it there, heue t— reason they've put it there, because i actually work in swtnton— because i actually work in swindon and— because i actually work in swindon and swindon has multiple treate— greggs, but i've never seen a net— greggs, but i've never seen a net eo— greggs, but i've never seen a net eo ant— greggs, but i've never seen a pret so and swindon is a greggs town— pret so and swindon is a greggs town not— pret so and swindon is a greggs town not a— pret so and swindon is a greggs town, not a pret— pret so and swindon is a greggs town, not a pret town. it's not very— town, not a pret town. it's not very toughe— town, not a pret town. it's not very bougiet you— town, not a pret town. it's not very bougie, you know, it's very worttno— very bougie, you know, it's very worttno caete— very bougie, you know, it's very working class. so— very bougie, you know, it's very working class. so doesn't

working class. so that doesn't that— working class. so that doesn't that tuet— working class. so that doesn't that just doesn't— working class. so that doesn't that just doesn't add up me that just doesn't add up to me at-haetcatty,— that just doesn't add up to me at-basically, this- that just doesn't add up to me at basically, this was at all. so basically, this was researchers— at all. so basically, this was. researchers—hallam researchers at sheffield hallam hntweretty— researchers at sheffield hallam hntweretty-r—r- university and they 1—1 hantcutar— university and they 1—1 particular-a- university and they 1—1 particular a speaker university and they 1—1 particular-a speaker the particular talk a speaker at the chettenham — particular talk a speaker at the cheltenham science festival, a woman_mclean,| cheltenham science festival, a. woman—mclean, she woman called sophie mclean, she reterencet—tel referenced this on how maths is retetant— referenced this on how maths is retetant to— referenced this on how maths is relevant to everyday questions . relevant to everyday questions. ant— relevant to everyday questions. ant ehe— relevant to everyday questions. ant ehe tart.— relevant to everyday questions. and she said, you— relevant to everyday questions. and she said, you know,- relevant to everyday questions. and she said, you know, you could imagine the single pret in newcastle surrounded by a swarm of greggs, and in london they say you're never more than six metres rat or a pret metres from a rat or a pret greggs is a symbol of the north because it's first bakery was openedin because it's first bakery was opened in newcastle in 51 while pret first opened in hampstead in 1984. it's a bit tongue in cheek this, isn't it louis, but doesit cheek this, isn't it louis, but does it tell us something? do you think about the difference between the north the south? between the north and the south? yeah, think it does. you know, yeah, i think it does. you know, i mean, i yeah, i think it does. you know, tmean t grew— yeah, i think it does. you know, tmean t grew uh— yeah, i think it does. you know, i mean, i grew up in— yeah, i think it does. you know, i mean, i grew up in the- i mean, i grew up in the tttttante— i mean, i grew up in the midlands and- i mean, i grew up in the midlands and there was i didn't even-what— midlands and there was i didn't even -what-until| even know what pret was until i motet— even know what pret was until i motet to— even know what pret was until i moved to london. _ even know what pret was until i moved to london. so i think it is moved to london. so i think it he atout— moved to london. so i think it he ahout eon— moved to london. so i think it is about sort of— moved to london. so i think it is about sort of lifestyle. and as is about sort of lifestyle. and ae you— is about sort of lifestyle. and ae you eay— is about sort of lifestyle. and as you say, that— is about sort of lifestyle. and as you say, that price point, atthouth— as you say, that price point, although they're— as you say, that price point, although they're getting closer and although they're getting closer ant—aren-t- although they're getting closer and—aren't they,- and closer now, aren't they, wtth— and closer now, aren't they, wtth-hrtce— and closer now, aren't they, with price points. but you with those price points. but you tnow— with those price points. but you tnow-tt— with those price points. but you tnow-tt te— with those price points. but you know,-it is that- with those price points. but you know, it is that thing with those price points. but you kno sort it is that thing with those price points. but you kno sort of it is that thing with those price points. but you kno sort of more s that thing with those price points. but you kno sort of more north thing with those price points. but you kno sort of more north youg with those price points. but you kno sort of more north you go, the sort of more north you go, the— the sort of more north you go, the-treate— the sort of more north you go, the-create you- the sort of more north you go, the greggs you see, the the more greggs you see, the more—oo-

the more greggs you see, the moreo—o 9°| more people that will go go there.— more people that will go go there-rhet- more people that will go go there.-pret is- more people that will go go there. pret is very a there. whereas pret is very a southern— there. whereas pret is very a southern thing.— there. whereas pret is very a southern thing. so it actually toee— southern thing. so it actually toee mate— southern thing. so it actually does make sense. i just think there-e— does make sense. i just think there-e a— does make sense. i just think there's a.more_ does make sense. i just think there's a.morelit- does make sense. i just think there's a more it than there's a lot more to it than than— there's a lot more to it than than-ant— there's a lot more to it than than-and your- there's a lot more to it than than and your grade. i think than you and your grade. i think it's than you and your grade. i think rte—though- than you and your grade. i think rte—though tn- it's been blended though in teem— it's been blended though in recent-because- it's been blended though in recent because 02 priority recent years because 02 priority hate— recent years because 02 priority hate tree— recent years because 02 priority now have free greggs rather than i now have free greggs rather than t—ueet— now have free greggs rather than t—ueet to— now have free greggs rather than t—ueet to to- now have free greggs rather than i_used to do free- i think they used to do free cate— i think they used to do free care-or— i think they used to do free cafe -or-like. i think they used to do free. cafe -or-like that. cafe nero or things like that. so cafe nero or things like that. so-trytno— cafe nero or things like that. so-trytno to— cafe nero or things like that. so-trying to bring- so they're trying to bring greggs into the middle greggs more into the middle class consumer lifestyle of all the by signing to the benefits by signing up to your thing. do you think your phone thing. do you think there-e— your phone thing. do you think there-e thre— your phone thing. do you think there's this conversation- ” “g do you think there's this conversation about eoctat— there's this conversation about eoctat ctaeee— there's this conversation about social class? because i love the— social class? because i love this conversation— social class? because i love this conversation on being a horn— this conversation on being a born-mancunian. born and bred mancunian who's thet— born and bred mancunian who's tttet—nearty- lived in london for nearly 25 yeae— lived in london for nearly 25 yeare—htt- lived in london for nearly 25 yeare—htt hoehl lived in london for nearly 25. years._bit posh now years. even talk a bit posh now eometmeet— years. even talk a bit posh now sometimes, you— years. even talk a bit posh now sometimes, you know, do you thtnt— sometimes, you know, do you thtnt that— sometimes, you know, do you think that-that- think that that that conversation and conversation is still valid and how— conversation is still valid and how-tethe— conversation is still valid and how define where you sit how do you define where you sit eoctattye— how do you define where you sit socially?- metrics- how do you define where you sit socially? metrics can we socially? what metrics can we to — socially? what metrics can we use to decide— socially? what metrics can we use to decide whether someone is worttno — use to decide whether someone is worttno caete— use to decide whether someone is working class, middle class, upper— working class, middle class, uhher mtttte— working class, middle class, upper middle, higher ? where do upper middle, higher? where do you ett— upper middle, higher? where do you ett on— upper middle, higher? where do you sit on that?— upper middle, higher? where do you sit on that? i— upper middle, higher? where do you sit on that? i think that he— you sit on that? i think that to teen— you sit on that? i think that it's been changed since around the mtt— it's been changed since around the mtt hee— it's been changed since around the mid 90s, particularly heue— the mid 90s, particularly because of— the mid 90s, particularly because of tony blair's focus on etucatton— because of tony blair's focus on education, education, education of education, education, education ot-they— education, education, education ot-they-ott- education, education, education of-they-off loads. education, education, education of they off loads of of where they send off loads of hte— of where they send off loads of tttelmatter— of where they send off loads of kids,.matter what- of where they send off loads of kids, matter what their kids, no matter what their parente— kids, no matter what their parents social— kids, no matter what their parents social class was to untteretty— parents social class was to university institutions which parents social class was to unittheiry institutions which parents social class was to unittheir headitutions which parents social class was to unittheir head with ns which parents social class was to unittheir head with ns vtsame fill their head with the same eort— fill their head with the same eort ot— fill their head with the same eort ot-tt— fill their head with the same sort of-it makes- fill their head with the samei

sort of-it makes them sort of stuff. it makes them more managerial rather at more managerial rather than at a local and it's also been local level. and it's also been more because more atomised because most people london people will travel to london outside hometown or one of outside their hometown or one of the bigger cities, maybe manchester or something like that, have been that, where they might have been in a more marginal and so in a more marginal town. and so you'll up that continuity you'll break up that continuity of living and of your family living there. and most time you're not most of the time you're not doing much anyway doing it for very much anyway because making ends meet. because you're making ends meet. you're earn much as you're trying to earn as much as you can just to cling on to the high rent amount so you're not really bringing much home really bringing much back home with so all of this with you. and so all of this focus on building immediate wealth younger, focus on building immediate wealth more younger, focus on building immediate wealth more and younger, focus on building immediate wealth more and moreinger, focus on building immediate wealth more and more education, getting more and more education, it's local and it's atomised local towns and communities made everyone communities us and made everyone kind of the and so i think kind of the same. and so i think the divide is between do you the big divide is between do you value pipeline from value that pipeline from prolonging education to prolonging your education to your 20s, go into the city your mid 20s, go into the city and trying to make something of yourself coming and trying to make something of yoursnot coming and trying to make something of yoursnot owning coming and trying to make something of yoursnot owning much,»ming and trying to make something of yoursnot owning much, or ng and trying to make something of yoursnot owning much, or do you back not owning much, or do you value trades and practical value the trades and practical wisdom about down wisdom that you talk about down the pub? lewis would you say you're same class as you're the same social class as your were? oh, i don't your parents were? oh, i don't know. your parents were? oh, i don't tnow—thte- your parents were? oh, i don't know._this show,. your parents were? oh, i don'ti know._this show, so your parents were? oh, i don't. know._this show, so i know. they watch this show, so i ton-t—want- know. they watch this show, so i ton-t—want to- know. they watch this show, so i don't—want to say. j don't know what i want to say. roster— don't know what i want to say. hotter than— don't know what i want to say. posher than you _ don't know what i want to say. posher than you or— don't know what i want to say. posher than you or less- don't know what i want to say. posher than you or less posh. i know i'm posher, but they they

wttt— know i'm posher, but they they wttt hrohahty— know i'm posher, but they they will probably-but- know i'm posher, but they they will probably but here's will probably have. but here's the-they-tt— will probably have. but here's the they'll probably the thing. they'll probably thet— the thing. they'll probably thetr-te— the thing. they'll probably their is probably their house is probably bigger than—atte- their house is probably bigger than—able to- their house is probably bigger than able to afford than i would be able to afford here.— than i would be able to afford here. so— than i would be able to afford here. so who's— than i would be able to afford here. so who's who's laughing now— here. so who's who's laughing why— here. so who's who's laughing why tou— here. so who's who's laughing now? why you know what i mean. why— now? why you know what i mean. why-vou— now? why you know what i mean. why-you posher— now? why you know what i mean. why-you posher than- now? why you know what i mean. why-you posher than them?- now? why you know what i mean. why .you posher than them? i why are you posher than them? they what happened they always say, what happened to-tou— they always say, what happened to-tou-your— they always say, what happened to-you-your accent- they always say, what happened to you your accent and to you? you lost your accent and you— to you? you lost your accent and you-toen— to you? you lost your accent and you-hoeh hte— to you? you lost your accent and you-posh like. so— to you? you lost your accent and you posh like. so that's the you got posh like. so that's the tote.— you got posh like. so that's the tote-tm— you got posh like. so that's the tote-rm home- you got posh like. so that's the joke. i'm home where you got posh like. so that's the joktyou i'm home where you got posh like. so that's the joktyou shop i'm home where you got posh like. so that's the joktyou shop what home where you got posh like. so that's the joktyou shop what you ne where you got posh like. so that's the joktyou shop what you spendtre you got posh like. so that's the joktyou shop what you spend your are you shop what you spend your money— are you shop what you spend your money-hut— are you shop what you spend your money-but ironically- are you shop what you spend your money “g money on. but ironically saying parents. so in a whatsapp money on. “g ”ti so in a whatsapp like, parents. so in a whatsapp like, oh, parents. so in a whatsapp like, oh-comtno— parents. so in a whatsapp like, oh-comtno to— parents. so in a whatsapp like, oh-comtno to my- ”ti so in a whatsapp like, oh, coming to my parents, oh, i'm coming to my parents, they-re— oh, i'm coming to my parents, they-re hte— oh, i'm coming to my parents, they're like, don't— oh, i'm coming to my parents, they're like, don't call your they're like, don't call us your parente— they're like, don't call us your harente—yourl parents, your mum and your dad. oh, parents, your mum and your dad. on, there-e— parents, your mum and your dad. oh, there's like,— parents, your mum and your dad. oh, there's like, there's words that—ton-tl that they don't. they don't toterate— that they don't. they don'ti toterate—my tolerate people, people my oeneratton— tolerate people, people my generation little bit of generation have a little bit of an amertcan— generation have a little bit of an american-as- generation have a little bit of an american as well. an american inflexion as well. so an american inflexion as well. so they— an american inflexion as well. so they use— an american inflexion as well. so they use random— an american inflexion as well. words because they've spent so much time consuming american content, whether political content, whether it be political or just idly scrolling on. tiktok they've imbibed kind tiktok they've imbibed that kind of so. of universal accent. yeah, so. right, right. in fact, there's a story— right, right. in fact, there's a story-the— right, right. in fact, there's a story .the -today- right, right. in fact, there's a story the today about story in the paper today about the-the— story in the paper today about the-the northern- the fact that the northern accem— the fact that the northern cent ts— the fact that the northern accent is disappearing. nohetutty— accent is disappearing. hopefully now, you are hopefully not now, you are watchtno— hopefully not now, you are watching listening to gb watching and listening to gb news.— watching and listening to gb news. next.— watching and listening to gb news. next. i'm— watching and listening to gb news. next. i'm hearing you news. next. i'm hearing from you as—you— news. next. i'm hearing from you as—you tn— news. next. i'm hearing from you as—you tn a- as well. i'll see you in a mtnute—

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government , saying that when he government, saying that when he left office last year, the government was only a handful of points behind in the polls. and that gap has now, quote, massively his massively widened his resignation will trigger a by—election in his constituency of uxbridge and south ruislip and comes just hours after the resignation of former minister nadine dorries . well, the nadine dorries. well, the privileges committee has responded by accusing the former prime minister of impugning the integrity of the house with his statement , a spokesperson statement, a spokesperson stressed that the committee has followed the procedures and the mandate of the house at all times and will continue to do so. that committee will meet on monday to conclude its inquiry with plans to publish its report prompt . lee with plans to publish its report prompt. lee well, meanwhile, politicians from all parties have been reacting to that shock resignation pretty patel, who served under mr johnson resignation pretty patel, who served under mrjohnson as home secretary, tweeted, describing him as a political titan . shadow him as a political titan. shadow foreign secretary david lammy

has described boris johnson as