all of our life . coming up all of our life. coming up tonight on the show , we'll be tonight on the show, we'll be talking all about artificial intelligence, whatever that is. is it something we should be embracing or should we be fearful of the consequences as well as looking at the loss of human contact due to ai .7 we will human contact due to ai.7 we will also be examining the potential benefits it could be bringing us, as well as discussing the need for proper regulation. and finally , an iconic rock in the finally, an iconic rock in the yorkshire dales is going on the market for just 150,000 of your

earth pounds . you can't build on earth pounds. you can't build on kilnsey crag , but you can run up kilnsey crag, but you can run up it and climb up it. and it's been painted by jmw turner. we'll be hearing much more about one of yorkshire's best known landmarks, which has been described unique described as a genuinely unique opportunity. of that opportunity. all of that and more up. first, an more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from ireland. armstrong . good evening ireland. armstrong. good evening to it's a minute— ireland. armstrong. good evening to it's a minute past— ireland. armstrong. good evening to it's a minute past six- : ' 3 good evening to it's a minute past six here in the— to it's a minute past six here in the ea— to it's a minute past six here in the gb newsroom . the prime in the gb newsroom. the prime minister— in the gb newsroom. the prime minister is— in the gb newsroom. the prime minister is facing— in the gb newsroom. the prime minister is facing calls for a general— minister is facing calls for a general election— minister is facing calls for a general election following the announcement— general election following the announcement of a third tory resignation.— announcement of a third tory resignation. nigel adams, the mp for setby— resignation. nigel adams, the mp for selby -ainsty,_ resignation. nigel adams, the mp for selby ainsty, says he's for selby and ainsty, says he's standing— for selby and ainsty, says he's standing down— for selby and ainsty, says he's standing down with immediate effect— standing down with immediate etteet ,— standing down with immediate effect , triggering another effect, triggering another by—election_ effect, triggering another by—election boris johnson announced his— by—election boris johnson announced his resignation yesterday— announced his resignation yesterday after being contacted by the— yesterday after being contacted by the committee— yesterday after being contacted by the committee investigating whether— by the committee investigating whether te— by the committee investigating whether he misled parliament. the— whether he misled parliament. the cuttute— whether he misled parliament. the culture secretary, nadine oetttee— the culture secretary, nadine oetttee ,— the culture secretary, nadine dorries , stepped— the culture secretary, nadine dorries , stepped down shortly dorries, stepped down shortly ettet— dorries, stepped down shortly after shadow— dorries, stepped down shortly after shadow deputy leader aneete— after shadow deputy leader angela rayner— after shadow deputy leader angela rayner says it's clear the— angela rayner says it's clear the tetmet— angela rayner says it's clear the former prime— angela rayner says it's clear the former prime minister lied.

teete— the former prime minister lied. bette tetneen— the former prime minister lied. boris johnson has— the former prime minister lied. boris johnson has shown himself to te— boris johnson has shown himself to be e— boris johnson has shown himself to be e eewet— boris johnson has shown himself to be a coward once more. 4:3. to be a coward once more. you knew.— to be a coward once more. you knew. tes— to be a coward once more. you knew. we tes— to be a coward once more. you know, he's he's not— to be a coward once more. you know, he's he's not held his hands up to and taken responsibility, as he should do . the privileges committee are well respected committee that are made up majority of tory mps and he's just tried to trash them and say, i've got no responsibility, i've done nothing wrong. he's a man that can never hold his hands up to what he's done. and i think he's an absolute disgrace. and, you know, good riddance. he shouldn't have been in parliament in the first place. and are mixed feelings and there are mixed feelings about— and there are mixed feelings about teete— and there are mixed feelings about boris johnson's resignation- about boris johnson's- resignation-constituency. resignation in his constituency. wes— resignation in his constituency. we-s tetwtttw— resignation in his constituency. he's actually done— resignation in his constituency. he's actually done a— resignation in his constituency. he's actually done a good- resignation in his constituency. he's actually done a good thing for the constituency in resigning because i think it opensit resigning because i think it opens it for somebody that can come in and do a betterjob for us. i wouldn't say i'm pleased. i think isn't government more then— i think isn't government more than we— i think isn't government more than men.— i think isn't government more than one man.7 shouldn't we i think isn't government more than one man? shouldn't we be totte— than one man? shouldn't we be tetne ee— than one man? shouldn't we be doing more than— than one man? shouldn't we be doing more than just going after tnttwtwetee— doing more than just going after individuals? i— doing more than just going after individuals? i loved him as a character— individuals? i loved him as a character and— individuals? i loved him as a character and i— individuals? i loved him as a character and i thought he was greet. — character and i thought he was greet. se— character and i thought he was great so we— character and i thought he was great. so it's sad— character and i thought he was great. c set: a character and i thought he was great. set: a 16 character and i thought he was great. c set: a 16 year great. so it's sad. a 16 year ete—

great. so it's sad. a 16 year ett bov— great. so it's sad. a 16 year ett tew tee— great. so it's sad. a 16 year old boy has been— great. c set: a 16 year old boy has been charged with twe— old boy has been charged with twe teete— old boy has been charged with two counts of— old boy has been charged with two counts of attempted murder and ee— two counts of attempted murder and eewtt— two counts of attempted murder and one count of— two counts of attempted murder and one count of grievous bodily term — and one count of grievous bodily term ettet— and one count of grievous bodily term ettet en— and one count of grievous bodily harm after an attack at a wtwete— harm after an attack at a private school— harm after an attack at a private school in devon. police wte— private school in devon. police wte wee— private school in devon. police who were called— private school in devon. police who were called to blundell's seteet— who were called to blundell's seteet tn— who were called to blundell's school in tiverton around 1:00 weetettew— school in tiverton around 1:00 yesterday morning say three peepte— yesterday morning say three people, including two students, ewetetnet— people, including two students, sustained multiple serious tniwtee— sustained multiple serious tniwtee. a— sustained multiple serious injuries. a boy— sustained multiple serious injuries. a boy is in a critical eentttten— injuries. a boy is in a critical condition and— injuries. a boy is in a critical condition and the other is said to condition and the other is said te te— condition and the other is said te te eettewe— condition and the other is said to be serious but— condition and the other is said to be serious but stable . a to be serious but stable. a eeeent— to be serious but stable. a second man has- to be serious but stable. a second man has been arrested in eewteetet— second man has been arrested in eemeetemt wttt— second man has been arrested in connection with the— connection with the disappearance of a woman in cewmtw— disappearance of a woman in county antrim._ disappearance of a woman in county antrim. 21— disappearance of a woman in county antrim. 21 year old chloe wttetett— county antrim. 21 year old chloe wttetett we— county antrim. 21 year old chloe mitchell was last— county antrim. 21 year old chloe mitchell was last seen in eettwmeme— mitchell was last seen in ballymena a— mitchell was last seen in ballymena a week ago. around 70 to ballymena a week ago. around 70 te eo— ballymena a week ago. around 70 to 80 volunteers— ballymena a week ago. around 70 to 80 volunteers with the eemmwmttw— to 80 volunteers with the community rescue service were mwetwet— community rescue service were mwetwet m— community rescue service were mwetwet m e— community rescue service were involved in a major search of the— involved in a major search of the eee— involved in a major search of the area. today— involved in a major search of the area. today with teams concentrating— the area. today with teams concentrating on thick undergrowth on the banks of the we— undergrowth on the banks of the mete.— undergrowth on the banks of the mete. a— undergrowth on the banks of the river braid. a 34— undergrowth on the banks of the river braid. a 34 year old is teme— river braid. a 34 year old is now being questioned after a 26 year— now being questioned after a 26 year ete— now being questioned after a 26 year ett me— now being questioned after a 26 year old man was— now being questioned after a 26 year old man was arrested in tween— year old man was arrested in tween em— year old man was arrested in lurgan on thursday . prosecutors lurgan on thursday. prosecutors say lurgan on thursday. prosecutors eew e— lurgan on thursday. prosecutors eew e ettttet— lurgan on thursday. prosecutors say a british girl— lurgan on thursday. prosecutors say a british girl stabbed in the— say a british girl stabbed in the tenem— say a british girl stabbed in the french alps— say a british girl stabbed in the french alps will be able to teete— the french alps will be able to leave hospital— the french alps will be able to leave hospital in— the french alps will be able to leave hospital in the next few tewe. — leave hospital in the next few tewe. me— leave hospital in the next few days. the three— leave hospital in the next few days. the three year old was on

tetttew— days. the three year old was on tetttew wttt— days. the three year old was on holiday with her— days. the three year old was on holiday with her parents when she eme— holiday with her parents when she and three— holiday with her parents when she and three other young emtttem— she and three other young children attacked in a children were attacked in a playground— children were attacked in a ptewgtewmt m— children were attacked in a playground in the town of annecy on playground in the town of annecy em-twe— playground in the town of annecy on-two pensioners- playground in the town of annecy on two pensioners were on thursday. two pensioners were etee— on thursday. two pensioners were also - prosecutors - also injured. prosecutors eemttmet— also injured. prosecutors confirmed victims are no confirmed the victims are no temget— confirmed the victims are no temeet m— confirmed the victims are no temeet m e— confirmed the victims are no longer in a critical condition. a et— longer in a critical condition. a st year— longer in a critical condition. a st year ete— longer in a critical condition. a 31 year old syrian refugee teetmg— a 31 year old syrian refugee facing attempted murder charges has facing attempted murder charges tee teem— facing attempted murder charges has been remanded in custody . at has been remanded in custody. at teeet— has been remanded in custody. at teeet tem— has been remanded in custody. at least four troops— has been remanded in custody. at least four troops fainted in the meet— least four troops fainted in the meet during— least four troops fainted in the heat during the— least four troops fainted in the heat during the colonel's review in heat during the colonel's review it cemttet— heat during the colonel's review in central london. _ heat during the colonel's review in central london. thousands of eeeete— in central london. thousands of peepte wee— in central london. thousands of peepte et— in central london. thousands of people were at horse guards teete— people were at horse guards parade watching— people were at horse guards parade watching as prince wttttem — parade watching as prince william assessed the event. met-e— william assessed the event. that's ahead— william assessed the event. that's ahead of— william assessed the event. that's ahead of trooping the cetew— that's ahead of trooping the cetew meet— that's ahead of trooping the colour next saturday. he later acknowledged _ colour next saturday. he later acknowledged the difficult conditions _ acknowledged the difficult conditions is— acknowledged the difficult conditions is paying tribute to these— conditions is paying tribute to these we— conditions is paying tribute to those who took— conditions is paying tribute to those who took part. the met etttee— those who took part. the met etttee tee— those who took part. the met office has confirmed temperatures in the uk reached 30 temperatures in the uk reached so degrees— temperatures in the uk reached ee teeteee tet— temperatures in the uk reached 30 degrees for the— temperatures in the uk reached 30 degrees for the first time mte— 30 degrees for the first time we veere— 30 degrees for the first time this year, with— 30 degrees for the first time this year, with 30.5 recorded at weetmew— this year, with 30.5 recorded at weetmew .— this year, with 30.5 recorded at weetmew . ee— this year, with 30.5 recorded at heathrow . gb news understands heathrow. gb news understands mem— heathrow. gb news understands etem te— heathrow. gb news understands pteme te meme— heathrow. gb news understands plans to house asylum seekers on a plans to house asylum seekers on e eme— plans to house asylum seekers on e site mete— plans to house asylum seekers on a ship near liverpool have been etemtemea— a ship near liverpool have been etemtemet. a— a ship near liverpool have been abandoned. a government source tett— abandoned. a government source tett we— abandoned. a government source tett we me— abandoned. a government source told us the vessel,— abandoned. a government source told us the vessel, which was twe— told us the vessel, which was twe te— told us the vessel, which was twe te wewee— told us the vessel, which was due to house 500— told us the vessel, which was due to house 500 men, will no temget— due to house 500 men, will no temeet te— due to house 500 men, will no temget te teet— due to house 500 men, will no longer be used following etieetteme— longer be used following

objections from peel ports . objections from peel ports. aaeemwttte— objections from peel ports. meanwhile, italy's ministry of eetemee— meanwhile, italy's ministry of eetemee tee— meanwhile, italy's ministry of defence has released video of a mem— defence has released video of a meet eme— defence has released video of a turkish ship that— defence has released video of a turkish ship that was by armed ttteeet— turkish ship that was by armed illegal migrants— turkish ship that was by armed illegal migrants trying to reach twteee. — illegal migrants trying to reach europe. italian— illegal migrants trying to reach europe. italian special forces etetmet— europe. italian special forces etetmet me— europe. italian special forces stormed the vehicle yesterday ettet— stormed the vehicle yesterday ettet meettw— stormed the vehicle yesterday after nearly seven hours teeemet— after nearly seven hours regained control of the ship and tetemet— regained control of the ship and tetemet ts— regained control of the ship and detained 15 people. officials say— detained 15 people. officials eew twe— detained 15 people. officials eew tte 22— detained 15 people. officials say the 22 members of the crew were released.— say the 22 members of the crew were released. none were eettewetw— were released. none were seriously injured . an extra £16 seriously injured. an extra £16 mttttem— seriously injured. an extra £16 mttttem et— seriously injured. an extra £16 million of humanitarian aid is being— million of humanitarian aid is bent eemt— million of humanitarian aid is being eemt te— million of humanitarian aid is being sent to southern ukraine tettewmg— being sent to southern ukraine tettewme tte — being sent to southern ukraine following the collapse of a dam. me— following the collapse of a dam. the government— following the collapse of a dam. the government says the money wttt— the government says the money wttt te— the government says the money wttt te teet— the government says the money will be used to— the government says the money will be used to help around ezooo— will be used to help around ezeee peepte— will be used to help around 32,000 people in the hassan teetem— 32,000 people in the hassan teetem ,— 32,000 people in the hassan region , wmeee— 32,000 people in the hassan region , whose homes were flooded region, whose homes were flooded ettet— region, whose homes were flooded ettet twe— region, whose homes were flooded after the blast.— region, whose homes were flooded after the blast. ukraine has ttemet— after the blast. ukraine has blamed russia— after the blast. ukraine has blamed russia for the attack, wmet— blamed russia for the attack, which moscow— blamed russia for the attack, which moscow denies , and which moscow denies, and manchester— which moscow denies, and manchester city are on the verge of manchester city are on the verge et metme— manchester city are on the verge of making history— manchester city are on the verge of making history in the cmemeteme— of making history in the champions league final. later, if champions league final. later, tt mew— champions league final. later, tt ttew teet— champions league final. later, if they beat inter— champions league final. later, if they beat inter milan. city wttt— if they beat inter milan. city will become— if they beat inter milan. city will become just the second tmettet— will become just the second english team _ will become just the second english team after manchester umtet— english team after manchester tmttet te— english team after manchester united to complete a league fa cup— united to complete a league fa cue eme— united to complete a league fa cup and european— united to complete a league fa cup and european treble live

etetwee— cup and european treble live pictures here.— cup and european treble live pictures here. of— cup and european treble live pictures here. of those city tem— pictures here. of those city teme metmg— pictures here. of those city fans making their way to the atetwt— fans making their way to the ataturk stadium in istanbul . ataturk stadium in istanbul. seme— ataturk stadium in istanbul. seme atwoo— ataturk stadium in istanbul. some 20,000 of— ataturk stadium in istanbul. some 20,000 of them ready for wet— some 20,000 of them ready for ttet ett— some 20,000 of them ready for ttet ett et— some 20,000 of them ready for ttet ett et 8— some 20,000 of them ready for kick off at 8 p.m._ some 20,000 of them ready for kick off at 8 pm. city have never won the _ kick off at 8 pm. city have never won the champions league. mtet— never won the champions league. mtet me— never won the champions league. inter the underdogs— never won the champions league. inter the underdogs last lifted the meet— inter the underdogs last lifted the tteetw m— inter the underdogs last lifted the trophy in 2010. we will keep you up— the trophy in 2010. we will keep you we te— the trophy in 2010. we will keep you we te tete— the trophy in 2010. we will keep you up to date with that score as you up to date with that score ee we ge— you up to date with that score as we go through— you up to date with that score as we go through the evening. wew— as we go through the evening. wew tt-e— as we go through the evening. now it's back— as we go through the evening. now it's back to— as we go through the evening. now it's back to ._ now it's back to. neil whatever— now it's back to. neil whatever happened to the pursuit of whatever happened to the pursuit et meppmeee— whatever happened to the pursuit et meppmeee et— whatever happened to the pursuit of happiness at, and for that mettew— of happiness at, and for that mettet, te— of happiness at, and for that matter, to the— of happiness at, and for that matter, to the inalienable right of matter, to the inalienable right et peepte— matter, to the inalienable right et peepte, ett— matter, to the inalienable right of people, all of— matter, to the inalienable right of people, all of whom are eteetet— of people, all of whom are created equal— of people, all of whom are created equal to lives of their eteeetmg— created equal to lives of their eteeetmg eme— created equal to lives of their choosing and to— created equal to lives of their choosing and to freedom itself ? choosing and to freedom itself? if choosing and to freedom itself? tt wtetewet— choosing and to freedom itself? if whatever happened _ choosing and to freedom itself? if whatever happened to - if whatever happened to government by the people, of the people and for the people. we hear those words and think of the united states of america specifically the declaration of independence in 1776 and the gettysburg address in 1863. the

declaration of independence was the work of men descended from those who had fled tyranny in the world in search of the old world in search of a better beginning, somewhere new, the gettysburg address was delivered by president abraham lincoln in aftermath of a lincoln in the aftermath of a hellish battle of that new world civil war. a war that challenged whether any nation dedicated to freedom and equality could long endure. it was the pertinent question in 1863 and its pertinent now to both realisations were the consequence of great suffering and of the prevailing certainty in human hearts that better times must lie ahead. those words are enshrined in the context of the united states of america. but by the 18th and 19th centuries, the thinking that gave birth to them was already old. the understanding that all human beings are created equal and free is eternal . created equal and free is eternal. inalienable is a word worth pausing to consider. it refers to that which cannot be given, nor taken away, nor surrendered. inalienable rights are those we are born with. they

are those we are born with. they are not given to us by any person, and they cannot be taken from us by any person. most importantly, we cannot give away our inalienable rights , even if our inalienable rights, even if we want to. the sky is blue, the sea is wet, and we are born equal and free. entire told to life and the pursuit of happiness . the founding fathers happiness. the founding fathers of the usa declared those truths self—evident, which is a way of saying that everyone knows as much anyway, without needing to be told. and i ask again what be told. and so i ask again what has happened to the pursuit of happiness since when? by happiness since when? and by what means did the functionaries being elected servants of being the elected servants of government, government that must only ever be by of and for the people find the audacity to seek to set aside their sworn responsibility to protect the inalienable rights of the people . no government exists to make it possible for free, equal people to make the most of life. and by so doing, to pursue happiness , their own and that of happiness, their own and that of others . when did those others. when did those functionaries of government take it upon themselves to pretend they might deny people the

innate freedom of the lives into which they were born and the pursuit of happiness which those lives make not just possible, but necessary . see, back in but necessary. see, back in 2020, they had the gall to try and shut us in our homes such draconian steps had never been contemplated by any government flunky. all was the policy proposed in the face of disease had been about protecting the vulnerable and leaving the rest to go about our lives. and yet , to go about our lives. and yet, one glance at doom laden computer modelling by statisticians and imperial college london and our public servants started drooling at the prospect of locking us down. treatment normally meted out only to unruly prisoners already in jail. a report published this month by the london based institute of economic affairs based on real numbers from the real world rather than upon the fantasies of minor technocrats, has found lockdowns were, quote, a global policy failure of gigantic proportions. such such are the consequences of seeking to steal freedom while imperial college london, led by arch fantasy professor neil ferguson,

had eerily predicted lockdowns would save 2 million lives in the us and 400,000 in the uk. real world numbers now make plain that that devastating, inhumane , criminally reckless inhumane, criminally reckless policy of isolation and incarceration that upended the world and destroyed the lives of millions , avoided 6000 deaths in millions, avoided 6000 deaths in the whole of europe and 4000 in the whole of europe and 4000 in the us . government functionaries the us. government functionaries here and in the us and around the world sought to steal our freedom and disregard our inalienable rights . and now inalienable rights. and now their claimed justification for so doing has been revealed as utterly , utterly bogus. some utterly, utterly bogus. some might say, i would say that it was all a premeditated pack of lies shaped not in the name of protecting health, but in the name of seizing control of society motty itself. the bare faced lying and hypocrisy are all around us. in april at the white house correspondents dinner, joe biden declared, quote, journalism is not a crime. he said he believed in the first amendment, which is to

say freedom of speech. he called for the release of us citizens wrongly detained abroad. journalists included. that was big of him because here in britain this week, australian journalist julian assange lost his appeal against being extradited to the us for publishing classified documents in the public interest and in the best traditions of journalism. joe biden says journalism. joe biden says journalism is not a crime, while his agents do his bidding in seeking to seize and to pool into a dark hole from which none might escape. a journalist whose journalism he plainly considers criminal, i very much doubt that joe biden knows that the concept of the pursuit of happiness likely travelled to the us from my homeland of scotland . francis my homeland of scotland. francis hutcheson, professor of moral philosophy at glasgow university dunng philosophy at glasgow university during the scottish enlightenment, taught his students that quote that action is best which accomplishes the greatest happiness for the greatest happiness for the greatest numbers and that worst which in like manner, occasions, misery , misery, the misery of

misery, misery, the misery of the mass of the population has, in my opinion , been not just the in my opinion, been not just the inevitable consequence of the policies which have been made to endure these past three years, but the intense action. francis hutcheson believed individual happiness was a benefit experienced by a person working first to increase the happiness of those around him or her. one of those around him or her. one of his students was john witherspoon , who crossed the witherspoon, who crossed the atlantic to become president of princeton university. witherspoon was a signatory of the declaration of independence, andifs the declaration of independence, and it's reasonable to think the presence of that line about the pursuit of happiness was his gift. and thanks ultimately to hutcheson . but here, rather than hutcheson. but here, rather than happiness , us government happiness, us government flunkies sowed the seeds of dread. the behavioural scientists of the so—called nudge units, the underhand activities of secret activities of the secret squirrels of the laughably self—named 77th brigade that spied upon dissent from the official line. all had a deliberate and coordinated effort to spread anxiety and fear among the taxpaying, law abiding people of the land. i say government exists now not to

defend the right of the people to pursue happiness, but to deny those rights and so enable the enrichment and advantage of a narrow clique of the wealthiest obsessed with power. the intention , at the same time, is intention, at the same time, is to make as many of us as possible unhappy and condemn to lesser lives. i say that that chue lesser lives. i say that that clique comprises those most fearful, those afraid of their fellow humankind , so fearful are fellow humankind, so fearful are they of our existence , since they of our existence, since they of our existence, since they would move heaven and earth and everything in between in order to hobble our potential when we are made to contemplate 15 minute ghettos and no cars and no air travel and no movement without digital ids and no buying and selling without the approval of more of those government flunkies and their artificial intelligence . when artificial intelligence. when we're told we will own nothing and be happy we should and be happy that we should accept devoid of accept lives devoid of aspiration, to aspiration, when we're made to contemplate nonsense as contemplate such nonsense as what are we supposed to think? has inalienable has happened to our inalienable right , to freedom and to the right, to freedom and to the pursuit of happiness? if you're asking for the answers to asking me for the answers to these questions, i say we've been victims of an

been made victims of an attempted perpetrated attempted theft perpetrated by so—called leaders who are liars. i say they lied throughout the so—called pandemic. i say i say they lied throughout the so—called pandemic . i say they so—called pandemic. i say they lie about the war in ukraine. i say they lie about the climate. i they lied about who blew i say they lied about who blew up pipeline. and up the nord stream pipeline. and it me they're lying now it seems to me they're lying now about who blew up the dam in hassan in southern ukraine. i say about the say they're lying about the intentions amendments intentions behind the amendments to the pandemic preparedness treaty, the lying about all of it, because lying is what liars do they have nothing else do when they have nothing else and to lose except and nothing left to lose except for one mp being andrew bridgen of the reclaim party . no one in of the reclaim party. no one in westminster will talk about excess deaths past and present . excess deaths past and present. i say this is lying by omission , which is just lying. i say we've not been run by inept people who just kept getting it wrong rather by liars who told us to do one thing while themselves doing something else here and abroad. they tell the same lie at the same time. even when they know we know they're lying. because knowing they're all the same lie at the all telling the same lie at the same at least gives them

same time, at least gives them the reassurance of solidarity obe lying . more and obe in their lying. more and more people are awake to the lying. the last time i checked, 80 million people had turned to former fox news host tucker carlson on his new channel on twitter , likely in search of twitter, likely in search of information no longer available from mainstream sources in this time of lying and this time of the attempt and theft of our inalienable right to life and freedom and the pursuit of happiness. we have an important choice to make. we must decide what our values are for 2000 years and more. the west has been built around the belief that the highest achievement of the universe is humankind and a person raised within that tradition used to regard respect for humankind , sanctity of for humankind, the sanctity of humankind and love of humankind. as the highest values of all. and yet now we tolerate a version of the west in which humankind is fed food that makes humankind is fed food that makes humankind is fed food that makes humankind is openly humankind ill, is openly exploited by the drugs industry that keeps them ill. humankind that keeps them ill. humankind that has freedom and bodily autonomy blatantly ignored. and that must watch war inflicted

upon his fellows for no higher goal than the financial gain of the industrial complex the military industrial complex . we're also watching the mutilation of children in the name the transgender name of the transgender ideology, which is another lie . ideology, which is another lie. most recently, we have been ianed most recently, we have been invited to fear so—called artificial intelligence aukus tool that might supplant us as a species. then there's the transhumanism that insists we're no longer purpose no longer fit for purpose anyway. carbon lifeforms, your time is up. make way for silicon. and so , as never silicon. and so, as never before, we must think about what it means to be human and choose whether we are for humankind, against humankind, or just ambivalent about our chances of continuing to exist at all. i said the thoughts that gave birth to the declaration of independence and the sentiments of the gettysburg address were ancient. by the time they were built into lower courses of built into the lower courses of the supports of the the masonry supports of the united of america. the united states of america. the american remains that just american dream remains that just a dream. while the stated aims of the authors of the declaration of independence were aspirations, most high have aspirations, most high that have never realised . among never yet been realised. among those founding fathers were

slave owners, so that even those capable of conceiving of a world slave owners, so that even those ca equality conceiving of a world slave owners, so that even those ca equality and eiving of a world slave owners, so that even those ca equality and freedom a world slave owners, so that even those ca equality and freedom forvorld slave owners, so that even those ca equality and freedom for all d of equality and freedom for all men and women were nonetheless incapable of living up to their own ideals. it was ever thus. but just because a grand idea has not yet been made real doesn't mean it never can be. now when the future of humankind depends upon it, all possible efforts must be made renew efforts must be made to renew that noble aspiration . in that noble aspiration. in a document called the declaration of arbroath is on public display in scotland now . it was written in scotland now. it was written in scotland now. it was written in 1320, and among other bold pronouncements, declares that while king robert the bruce , had while king robert the bruce, had done a grand job, still made plain that if he failed, the people failed to defend their freedoms. those same people would do whatever necessary to be rid of him and to find someone better. here's the thing freedom is ours by right, and the pursuit of happiness is ours by right. we've always known as much in our hearts, at least it was and is declares the declaration of arbroath. not for glory, nor for riches, nor

honours that we are fighting, but for freedom alone. which no honest man gives up. but with life itself . that much was true life itself. that much was true in 1320. it was true in 1776. it's true now. it will always be true . true. that's my opinion, of course. and you're free to disagree with me. keep your tweets and emails coming through the show. you can email gb views at gb news. .uk. you can tweet me as well at gb news and i'll try to get to your comments later in the show. joining me now is my good friend and fellow gb news presenter calvin robinson . calvin, what do calvin robinson. calvin, what do you think about the pursuit of happiness? that was powerful stuff, first and foremost. and i was trying to �*" e�*i: and i was trying to communicate to you twttmg— was trying to communicate to you twttmg twe— was trying to communicate to you twttmg me ee— was trying to communicate to you during the news break that i mete— during the news break that i mepe wee-we— during the news break that i hope you've seen tucker cetteem-e— hope you've seen tucker carlson's video- hope you've seen tucker carlson's video and seems you carlson's video and it seems you mete— carlson's video and it seems you mete-wee— carlson's video and it seems you have you mentioned have because you mentioned it mete— have because you mentioned it there-fantastic— have because you mentioned it there fantastic truth there for fantastic truth tettet, — there for fantastic truth teller, yourself. teller, just like yourself. what do

teller, just like yourself. what te-mete— teller, just like yourself. what te-meteltte- teller, just like yourself. what do make the pursuit of do you make of the pursuit of meppmeeee— do you make of the pursuit of meppmeeee ae— do you make of the pursuit of happiness? as i've always been wew—eetwettwl wary of that cause, actually, teeewee— wary of that cause, actually, because ithink— wary of that cause, actually, because ithink ,_ wary of that cause, actually, because think , first all, because i think, first of all, tt-e— because i think, first of all, it's-american- because i think, first of all, it's-american .- because i think, first of all, it's american . we've all it's very american. we've all got— it's very american. we've all getlewewe— it's very american. we've all eetlewewe ew— it's very american. we've all got pursue our happiness. got to pursue our happiness. amt— got to pursue our happiness. amt eeeemttw— got to pursue our happiness. and secondly, i've— got to pursue our happiness. and secondly, i've always put a happiness of others. but that's the i've happiness of others. but that's the - i've always _ happiness of others. but that's the - i've always found - happiness of others. but that's the-i've always found it. the key. i've always found it wette— the key. i've always found it ewtte e— the key. i've always found it quite a selfish— the key. i've always found it quite a selfish pursuit, and i ttmt— quite a selfish pursuit, and i ttmt tt— quite a selfish pursuit, and i ttmt tt tt— quite a selfish pursuit, and i think it it has— quite a selfish pursuit, and i think it it has been misunderstood and it has been the self—obsessed the root of this self—obsessed tteeteew— the root of this self—obsessed ideology-making- the root of this self—obsessed ideology making gods of ideology of making gods of ourselves and— ideology of making gods of ourselves and kind of making the wette— ourselves and kind of making the wettt eemte— ourselves and kind of making the world centre around ourselves. eet— world centre around ourselves. - eet—wee but you quoted the scotsman who eett, — but you quoted the scotsman who eett, eetwettw— but you quoted the scotsman who eett, eetwettw .— but you quoted the scotsman who said, actually , the— but you quoted the scotsman who said, actually , the pursuit of said, actually, the pursuit of meppmeee— said, actually, the pursuit of happiness happiness happiness or happiness is a tw—ptetwet— happiness or happiness is a by—product pursuit of by—product of the pursuit of meppmeee— by—product of the pursuit of happiness people, happiness of other people, meteeeme— increasing other people's meppmeee— increasing other people's happiness that the key happiness. that is the key contributing— happiness. that is the key contributing to— happiness. that is the key contributing to society is how we-contentness- contributing to society is how we-contentness ,- contributing to society is how we contentness , how we feel we get contentness, how we feel twtttttet— we get contentness, how we feel fulfilled-being— we get contentness, how we feel fulfilled being part of the fulfilled by being a part of the eemmwmttw— fulfilled by being a part of the community and— fulfilled by being a part of the community and giving something teet— community and giving something beet—ee- community and giving something beet—ee e- community and giving something back—as a result. back and happiness as a result of back and happiness as a result et-ewt— back and happiness as a result et-ewtlwe— back and happiness as a result of-butlwe-ourl of that. but if we pursue our eetttet— of that. but if we pursue our own selfish desires , our own own selfish desires, our own eetttet— own selfish desires, our own selfish happiness, that's a mewet-eeet- selfish happiness, that's a never goal that selfish happiness, that's a never-goal that can never ending goal that we can never achieve. think happiness never ending goal that we can hear achieve. think happiness never ending goal that we can nea isachieve. think happiness never ending goal that we can nea is responsiveness happiness never ending goal that we can nea is responsiveness to ppiness is a is responsiveness to ewetwtmmg— is a is responsiveness to everything around us. i think met-e— everything around us. i think ttet-e wtete— everything around us. i think that's where it comes from. and i think, you know, and i think and i think sadness gets a bad rap. i think there's a there's a

missing old idea that a kind of consumer based everything you want, whenever you want. happiness is the only happiness worth having. and it's an empty it is void . it leads to it is void. it leads to consumerism. - c t: it leads to consumerism. 'c it is void. it leads to- consumerism. and actually responding to and experiencing all of life and all of humanity and all that humanity means is, is the that's the pursuit of happiness. yeah. and it's a trap . tt-e— happiness. yeah. and it's a trap . tt-e me— happiness. yeah. and it's a trap . it's the pursuit— happiness. yeah. and it's a trap . it's the pursuit of— yeah. and it's a trap . it's the pursuit of happiness. tt-e— . it's the pursuit of happiness. we met— . it's the pursuit of happiness. it's not happiness— . it's the pursuit of happiness. it's not happiness in and of teen,— it's not happiness in and of itself, because— it's not happiness in and of itself, because sometimes we meet— itself, because sometimes we mtett mewet— itself, because sometimes we might never achieve that meppmeee— might never achieve that happiness, but we might feel twtttttet— happiness, but we might feel fulfilled-lives. - happiness, but we might feel fulfilled lives. we might fulfilled in our lives. we might teet—wttm- fulfilled in our lives. we might feel—with-ourl feel contentness with with our temttw— feel contentness with with our family,-friends,- family, with our friends, with eet—we- family, with our friends, with eet—tt-e-ttel family, with our friends, with- our_|t's-the same our community. it's not the same as our community. it's not the same ee met— our community. it's not the same as that happiness. _ our community. it's not the same as that happiness. ctr» our community. it's not the same as that happiness. t:t:::t as that happiness. but do you met.— as that happiness. but do you think, as i do, that somewhere along the line, within along the line, those within government forgotten that government have forgotten that it's response ability to it's the response ability to make life better for to facilitate the improvement and the betterment of people's life and happiness. the betterment of people's life and happiness . and yet they seem and happiness. and yet they seem to have set themselves up on making miserable. i making everybody miserable. i wouldn't it's their job to wouldn't say it's their job to make life better. i'd say it's their make life better. i'd say it's ttett job— make life better. i'd say it's tmett ietletew— make life better. i'd say it's their job .stay out- make life better. i'd say it's their job-stay out of- c ”t; i'd say it's their job stay out of our way their job to stay out of our way so their job to stay out of our way ee met— their job to stay out of our way ee met-mete- their job to stay out of our way so that-make our- their job to stay out of our way so that make our lives so that we can make our lives tettet— so that we can make our lives tettet. mett— so that we can make our lives better. their job— so that we can make our lives better. theirjob is— so that we can make our lives better. theirjob is to protect

whet— better. theirjob is to protect whet-emt- better. theirjob is to protect whet-eet you- better. theirjob is to protect what and you right to what we have and you right to me— what we have and you right to use the inalienable, use the word inalienable, inalienable— use the word inalienable, inalienable rights. i love that teeewee— inalienable rights. i love that because human— inalienable rights. i love that because human are because human rights are etetteet— because human rights are abstract. rights don't because human rights are abstra much rights don't because human rights are abstra much ritthey'rei't because human rights are abstra much ritthey're what make much sense. they're what we-we-ewtltte- we've plucked out of the air ttem— we've plucked out of the air ttem twe— we've plucked out of the air from the convention. but from the un convention. but mettemette— from the un convention. but inalienable rights god given inalienable rights are god given meme—meme- rights, god ordained rights such as rights, god ordained rights such ee-ttett— rights, god ordained rights such ee-ttett-ewet- rights, god ordained rights such as-right-such as- as the right to life, such as me— as the right to life, such as the mett— as the right to life, such as me ttett te— as the right to life, such as the right to private property. tteee—ttet- the right to private property.| these -that . all these are things that we all mete— these are things that we all tewe ee— these are things that we all have as-beings.- these are things that we all have as beings. and these are things that we all- have as-beings. and you're have as human beings. and you're mett— have as human beings. and you're right-government- right that no government could ever-away from - right that no government could ever away from us. ever take them away from us. yest— ever take them away from us. wee. mteet— ever take them away from us. yes, indeed. well,— ever take them away from us. yes, indeed. well, coming- ever take them away from us. yes, indeed. well, coming up, we'll be joined matthias we'll be joined by matthias desmedt, in clinical desmedt, a professor in clinical psychology ghent university psychology in ghent university in concerned in belgium, who's concerned that the artificial the use of artificial intelligence meaning lose

chance to have his say first by teettme— chance to have his say first by teettme te— chance to have his say first by deciding to do— chance to have his say first by deciding to do what he's decided to deciding to do what he's decided te te— deciding to do what he's decided te te . — deciding to do what he's decided te te . wee-te— deciding to do what he's decided to do . you're listening- deciding to do what he's decided to do . 4:3. ”c: c sdi" g deciding to do what he's decided to do . v/tzzt. ”c: c sec“ “g c15 to do. you're listening to gb news radio . welcome back to neil news radio. welcome back to neil ettwet— news radio. welcome back to neil etwet twe— news radio. welcome back to neil oliver live now— news radio. welcome back to neil oliver live now more— \ 3st: welcome back to neil oliver live now more and more we meet— oliver live now more and more we meet tett— oliver live now more and more we meet tett et— oliver live now more and more we hear talk of artificial— hear talk of artificial intelligence , ai and intelligence, ai and transhumanism . for some, the transhumanism. for some, the ewemeet— transhumanism. for some, the ewemeet et— transhumanism. for some, the advance of such— transhumanism. for some, the advance of such technology eeemmgtw— advance of such technology seemingly faster and faster ewew— seemingly faster and faster every tew— seemingly faster and faster every day poses an existential tweet— every day poses an existential tmeet te— every day poses an existential threat to humanity as a species, are we in danger— threat to humanity as a species,

are we in danger of— threat to humanity as a species, are we in danger of being overwhelmed— are we in danger of being overwhelmed and even replaced by meettmee— overwhelmed and even replaced by machines unimaginably smart than us machines unimaginably smart than we twttme— machines unimaginably smart than we twttmg twe— machines unimaginably smart than us during the past— machines unimaginably smart than us during the past three years, we tett— us during the past three years, we were told to— us during the past three years, we were told to trust the science. science and technology wewtt— science. science and technology wewtt eewe— science. science and technology wewtt we— science. science and technology would save us. and— science. science and technology would save us. and anyone eweettemme— would save us. and anyone questioning that science or that teetmeteew— questioning that science or that teetmetegw wee— questioning that science or that technology was dismissed by the ewttettttee— technology was dismissed by the authorities and— technology was dismissed by the authorities and by— technology was dismissed by the authorities and by the mainstream- authorities and by the mainstream media that served ttem — mainstream media that served ttem ee— mainstream media that served them as stupid— mainstream media that served them as stupid and downright temeetewe— them as stupid and downright temgetewe .— them as stupid and downright dangerous. has— them as stupid and downright dangerous . has society been dangerous. has society been eeetwtet— dangerous. has society been eeptwtet by— dangerous. has society been captured by scientists and technocrats— captured by scientists and technocrats ?_ captured by scientists and technocrats ? and should we technocrats? and should we tegett — technocrats? and should we tegett tte — technocrats? and should we regard the technological future mew— regard the technological future they etepeee— regard the technological future they ptepeee ee— regard the technological future they propose as a— regard the technological future they propose as a heaven or a wette— they propose as a heaven or a mette joining— they propose as a heaven or a hell? joining me— they propose as a heaven or a hell? joining me to discuss the tewtte— hell? joining me to discuss the tewtte edged— hell? joining me to discuss the double edged sword of teemetegw— double edged sword of technology, ai and transhumanism is technology, ai and transhumanism te wettttee— technology, ai and transhumanism is matthias desmet, professor of time— is matthias desmet, professor of clinical psychology at ghent umwetettw— clinical psychology at ghent university in— clinical psychology at ghent university in belgium. are you ttetee— university in belgium. are you there? matthias— university in belgium. are you there? matthias yes, i am . great there? matthias yes, i am. great to there? matthias yes, i am. great te eee— there? matthias yes, i am. great te yew.— there? matthias yes, i am. great to see you. matthias i'll get ettetett— to see you. matthias i'll get straight into— to see you. matthias i'll get straight into it— to see you. matthias i'll get straight into it because time's etwewe— straight into it because time's etwewe egemet— straight into it because time's always against us. do you think twmemttw— always against us. do you think humanity stands— always against us. do you think humanity stands at a fork in the teet— humanity stands at a fork in the teet e— humanity stands at a fork in the teet e us— humanity stands at a fork in the teet a we .— humanity stands at a fork in the teet a we . te— humanity stands at a fork in the road ? us i do think so. humanity stands at a fork in the road ? us i do think so road? us i do think so. i think you—

road? us i do think so. i think you m— road? us i do think so. i think you can choose— road? us i do think so. i think you can choose for the further megxit modernisation of the world to use even more technology . to replace our technology. to replace our natural inaya environment by a digital environment. a digital cosmos . or we can start to cosmos. or we can start to realise that maybe the destiny of the human being is not a kind of the human being is not a kind of a technological paradise or a technological society, but rather the resonance with what we could call the eternal forms of nature, the eternal language of nature, the eternal language of nature. that's to in opposite directions. we can go in and i think to be honest, that the major part of society will choose for the first direction will be enticed to believe that technology will be the only solution to the problems we are facing now and all the crises we are facing and that there will be a smaller group who will feel that there is something wrong

with this utopian technological paradise and that no matter what happens , we have to go in happens, we have to go in another direction. so i truly believe we are at the point where we where we will have to choose. yes. why do you think so many scientists included, but also in the general population, seem to have lost faith with what it is to be human as though to be human is not enough. if. that's a very good question . that's a very good question. wett— that's a very good question. wett .— that's a very good question. wett . yew— that's a very good question. well , you know,— that's a very good question. well , you know, i— that's a very good question. well , you know, i think- that's a very good question. well , you know, i think that that's a very good question. well, you know, i think that in a certain way , the this a certain way, the this technocratic transhumanist ideology , which . seizes control ideology, which. seizes control of society now as a logical consequence of our our view on man in the world, you know, like

somewhere back in the in the 16th century when the modern sciences started to emerge , we sciences started to emerge, we increasingly started to think of the universe as a kind of a large machine , a set of large machine, a set of elementary particles which all interact according to the laws of mechanics with each other constituting a large mechanical device , large machine, which can device, large machine, which can be perfectly understood , be perfectly understood, controlled and manipulated in a rational way. and once you start from that view of man in the world, once you believe that the universe essentially is a large machine and the human being, a small machine in the large machine , then it's only logical machine, then it's only logical that you think that expert engineers who know the machine of the universe of society and of the universe of society and of the universe of society and of the human being very well should lead society. why would a democratically elected

politician lead a mechanical society so i think that the root cause of the problems and the reason why so many people believe that it if we want to overcome . the crisis, we find overcome. the crisis, we find ourselves in now , that we should ourselves in now, that we should move to a more technological society and that we should move to a transhumanist society in which the human being becomes a kind of a cyborg , which is kind of a cyborg, which is optimised by merging with all kinds of technological devices and in which society ultimately should become an internet of bodies as i, i think that's only a logical consequence of, of the of our our dominant view on man in the world. this mechanist view on man in the world. and if we want to change something, if we want to change something, if we want to be capable of conceiving a different future

for the human being, then we will have something will have to change something about in the about this view on man in the world. will have to think why world. we will have to think why or in what way we can overcome this. mechanist view on man in the world and actually the sciences showed us already very clearly that the universe is not a big machine and that the mechanical thinking is very limited and understanding what the world is. so the strange thing is that while this mechanist view on man in the world imposes itself as a scientific view on man in the world, it is not at all science shows us something else . science shows us something else. science shows us something else. science shows us something else. science shows us that our rational understanding is never capable of grasping the essence of life around us, of grasping the essence of nature , of grasping essence of nature, of grasping the essence of the human being. so . in a the essence of the human being. so. in a certain way , i the essence of the human being. so . in a certain way , i believe so. in a certain way, i believe that. so. in a certain way, i believe that . that's exactly the

that. that's exactly the challenge we are facing . challenge we are facing. matthias i've got , i've got matthias i've got, i've got in the— matthias i've got, i've got in the etwtte— matthias i've got, i've got in the studio with— matthias i've got, i've got in the studio with me kelvin tetmeem— the studio with me kelvin robinson, who's a faith leader , robinson, who's a faith leader, the me— robinson, who's a faith leader, the et— robinson, who's a faith leader, the man of the— robinson, who's a faith leader, the man of the church, and he is i the man of the church, and he is . mew— the man of the church, and he is . mew met— the man of the church, and he is i know that he— the man of the church, and he is i know that he is.— the man of the church, and he is i know that he is. a— the man of the church, and he is i know that he is. a question yew-t— i know that he is. a question yew-t atte— i know that he is. a question yew-t ttte te— i know that he is. a question you'd like to ask— i know that he is. a question you'd like to ask you. matthias as we— you'd like to ask you. matthias as we head full speed towards artificial intelligence and transhumanism , my question would transhumanism, my question would be where is god in all of this? that's a very good question . and that's a very good question. and it's that's a very good question. and we eteet— that's a very good question. and we eteet met— that's a very good question. and it's clear that in— that's a very good question. and it's clear that in in— it's clear that in in a materialist- it's clear that in in a materialist universe and if you met— materialist universe and if you ttmt met— materialist universe and if you think that the _ materialist universe and if you think that the universe is metetw— think that the universe is metetw e— think that the universe is merely a material system in wmet— merely a material system in with mete— merely a material system in which there are— merely a material system in which there are only molecules emt— which there are only molecules emt eteme— which there are only molecules and atoms, there— which there are only molecules and atoms, there is no god to be tewmt— and atoms, there is no god to be tewmt m— and atoms, there is no god to be tewmt m ewet— and atoms, there is no god to be found in such a— and atoms, there is no god to be found in such a universe. and . found in such a universe. and. we— found in such a universe. and. the seminole— found in such a universe. and. the seminole scientists who of the zom— the seminole scientists who of the 20th century— the seminole scientists who of the 20th century all left that materialist— the 20th century all left that materialist universe behind. and in materialist universe behind. and it e— materialist universe behind. and it e eettem— materialist universe behind. and it e eettem wew— materialist universe behind. and in a certain way ,_ materialist universe behind. and in a certain way , almost all of in a certain way, almost all of them — in a certain way, almost all of them te— in a certain way, almost all of them re introduced the concept of them re introduced the concept et eet. — them re introduced the concept et eet. .— them re introduced the concept et eet. . etem-t— them re introduced the concept of god. i don't say— them re introduced the concept of god. i don't say that it was the— of god. i don't say that it was the ee— of god. i don't say that it was the same god— of god. i don't say that it was the same god as—

of god. i don't say that it was the same god as the god of mttetweet— the same god as the god of mttetweet .— the same god as the god of introduced , analysed dogmatic introduced, analysed dogmatic tettetem— introduced, analysed dogmatic tettgtem twt— introduced, analysed dogmatic religion, but but— introduced, analysed dogmatic religion, but but in any case, mew— religion, but but in any case, they tettewe— religion, but but in any case, they believe it— religion, but but in any case, they believe it was necessary to mttetwee— they believe it was necessary to introduce the _ they believe it was necessary to introduce the concept of god etem— introduce the concept of god eeem .— introduce the concept of god eeem . .— introduce the concept of god again . i think— introduce the concept of god again . i think so. i think again. i think so. i think ewetwtmmg— again. i think so. i think everything again depends on our wtew— everything again depends on our view on man in the— everything again depends on our view on man in the world. as teme— view on man in the world. as teme ee— view on man in the world. as teme ee we— view on man in the world. as long as we prefer— view on man in the world. as long as we prefer to believe met— long as we prefer to believe the we— long as we prefer to believe that we live— long as we prefer to believe that we live in— long as we prefer to believe that we live in a— long as we prefer to believe that we live in a mechanistic .— that we live in a mechanistic universe, i guess— that we live in a mechanistic universe, i guess we will be eettemeet— universe, i guess we will be eettemget et— universe, i guess we will be estranged of any— universe, i guess we will be estranged of any concept of god wteteeewet— estranged of any concept of god wteteeewet .— estranged of any concept of god whatsoever . other— estranged of any concept of god whatsoever . other matthias, the whatsoever. other matthias, the eweettem— whatsoever. other matthias, the eweettem .— whatsoever. other matthias, the question i asked— whatsoever. other matthias, the question i asked before about teeteettw— question i asked before about teeteettw why— question i asked before about basically why we— question i asked before about basically why we had so many peepte— basically why we had so many people, scientists— basically why we had so many people, scientists included, had teet— people, scientists included, had teet tettt— people, scientists included, had teet tettt m— people, scientists included, had lost faith in what— people, scientists included, had lost faith in what it is to be tme — lost faith in what it is to be tme oe— lost faith in what it is to be human. do you- lost faith in what it is to be human. jtzzt c lost faith in what it is to be human. c lost faith in what it is to be- human. do you think it comes to some extent from a loss of meaning in people's lives? the rational, you know, the scientific, you know, 250 years of science is having an unexpected way, made many people's lives devoid of meaning . yes, of course. yes life is ute— . yes, of course. yes life is ttte te—

. yes, of course. yes life is ttte te by— yes, of course. yes life is life is by definition, meaningless in a mechanistic et— meaningless in a mechanistic universe. of course, the machine eeee— universe. of course, the machine eeee tewmt— universe. of course, the machine goes round without— universe. of course, the machine goes round without any meaning or goes round without any meaning et pwmeee— goes round without any meaning et ewmeee, twt— goes round without any meaning or purpose, but there is emettew— or purpose, but there is another, another reason why it to another, another reason why it te tet— another, another reason why it te ted the— another, another reason why it to led the loss— another, another reason why it to led the loss of— another, another reason why it to led the loss of meaning. namely— to led the loss of meaning. namely tme. — to led the loss of meaning. namely, this. this, this mechanist— namely, this. this, this mechanist thinking to led the mtwetttet— mechanist thinking to led the industrial industrialisation of the wettt. — industrial industrialisation of the world. the— industrial industrialisation of the world. the use of more and more technology. _ the world. the use of more and more technology. and this in its twm— more technology. and this in its turn ,_ more technology. and this in its twm , m— more technology. and this in its twm , m e— more technology. and this in its turn , in a strange— more technology. and this in its turn , in a strange way, to led turn, in a strange way, to led emt— turn, in a strange way, to led more and more loneliness. that's eemetmme— more and more loneliness. that's eemetmme wew— more and more loneliness. that's something very remarkable. the more industrialisation , the more more industrialisation, the more the wette— more industrialisation, the more the wait, the— more industrialisation, the more the world, the world is industrialised, more industrialised, the more teemeteew— industrialised, the more technology is- industrialised, the more technology is used, the more peeete— technology is used, the more peepte teet— technology is used, the more people feel lonely. like in meet— people feel lonely. like in great britain,— people feel lonely. like in great britain, which is one of the— great britain, which is one of the meet— great britain, which is one of the most industrialised eewmttete— the most industrialised countries-the- the most industrialised countries the world. theresa countries in the world. theresa may,— countries in the world. theresa mayt .— countries in the world. theresa mayt t tettewe— countries in the world. theresa may, i believe, appointed a meme— may, i believe, appointed a mtmtetet et— may, i believe, appointed a minister of loneliness because ete— minister of loneliness because ete met— minister of loneliness because she had knowledge about the extent— she had knowledge about the extent et— she had knowledge about the extent of the _ she had knowledge about the extent of the problem of loneliness.— extent of the problem of loneliness. and this in its twm— loneliness. and this in its turn, once people feel lonely, mew— turn, once people feel lonely, ttew ee— turn, once people feel lonely, they are typically confronted wttt — they are typically confronted wttt e— they are typically confronted wttt e teet— they are typically confronted with a lack of— they are typically confronted with a lack of meaning making wttt— with a lack of meaning making wttt e— with a lack of meaning making wttt e tet— with a lack of meaning making wttt e tet et— with a lack of meaning making with a lot of free— with a lack of meaning making with a lot of free floating emxtetw— with a lot of free floating anxiety, frustration and eegteeetem— anxiety, frustration and eeeteeetem .— anxiety, frustration and aggression . and this makes them aggression. and this makes them exttemetw— aggression. and this makes them extremely vulnerable for etepegemte— extremely vulnerable for ptepeeemte .— extremely vulnerable for propaganda . and that means that propaganda. and that means that in propaganda. and that means that it me— propaganda. and that means that m the ewe— propaganda. and that means that m the end .— propaganda. and that means that in the end , what— propaganda. and that means that in the end , what is— propaganda. and that means that

in the end , what is created in in the end, what is created in wette— in the end, what is created in our world constantly is a pepwtettem— our world constantly is a population in— our world constantly is a population in which is eemptetetw— population in which is completely in the grip of ptepeeemte— completely in the grip of propaganda, which is like a etme— propaganda, which is like a ttmt ettw— propaganda, which is like a blind ally of— propaganda, which is like a blind ally of ,_ propaganda, which is like a blind ally of, of a of a of the peeete— blind ally of, of a of a of the peepte wme— blind ally of, of a of a of the people who use— blind ally of, of a of a of the people who use the propaganda and people who use the propaganda emt wme— people who use the propaganda and who weaponize all kinds of metttwee— and who weaponize all kinds of mettetwee te — and who weaponize all kinds of narratives to push _ and who weaponize all kinds of narratives to push the eepwtettem— narratives to push the population in the direction of a emt— population in the direction of a more and more— population in the direction of a more and more technocrat ethic , more and more technocrat ethic, ttemetwmemtet— more and more technocrat ethic, transhumanist society . transhumanist society. is science now a— transhumanist society. is science now a tool- transhumanist society. is science now a tool of politics? it has science, have science artists lost their way . well at artists lost their way. well at least there is a huge problem with what we believe to be science now or to represent science. if you look at i don't mew— science. if you look at i don't mew tt— science. if you look at i don't mew tt wewte— titt ti;“ttti; if you look at i don't know if you're familiar with 3ti ti; i if you look at i don't know if you're familiar with the ee—eettet— know if you're familiar with the so—called replication crisis in the— so—called replication crisis in the academic— so—called replication crisis in the academic world. well around 2005,— the academic world. well around 2005, t— the academic world. well around 2005, tt wee— the academic world. well around 2005, it was shown— the academic world. well around 2005, it was shown that up . to 2005, it was shown that up. to ette— 2005, it was shown that up. to eete et— 2005, it was shown that up. to eete et me— 2005, it was shown that up. to 85% of the research papers in

the— 85% of the research papers in the metteet— 85% of the research papers in the medical field— 85% of the research papers in the medical field where the wettem — the medical field where the ptettem wee— the medical field where the problem was worse or not teptetwettte,— problem was worse or not reproducible, which means from a eetemtttte— reproducible, which means from a scientific point— reproducible, which means from a scientific point of— reproducible, which means from a scientific point of view that mew— scientific point of view that they — scientific point of view that they are more— scientific point of view that they are more or less meaningless- they are more or less meaningless and that they are eemptetetw— meaningless and that they are completely without meaning. so met— completely without meaning. so the mem— completely without meaning. so the etewe we— completely without meaning. so that shows us something of that . mete— that shows us something of that . mete te— that shows us something of that . there is something wrong with wttt— . there is something wrong with wttt whet— . there is something wrong with wttt wtet we— . there is something wrong with with what we believe to be the science now and— with what we believe to be the science now and indeed what is eteet— science now and indeed what is eteet te— science now and indeed what is eteet te ma,— science now and indeed what is clear is that, for— science now and indeed what is clear is that, for instance , in clear is that, for instance, in the— clear is that, for instance, in the eetwee— clear is that, for instance, in the corona crisis,— clear is that, for instance, in the corona crisis, that science teme— the corona crisis, that science became more and— the corona crisis, that science became more and more politicised and became more and more politicised emt wee— became more and more politicised emt weet— became more and more politicised emt weet tet— became more and more politicised and was used for purposes that it me— and was used for purposes that were in the end— and was used for purposes that were in the end not scientific at were in the end not scientific et ett— were in the end not scientific et ett, going— were in the end not scientific et ett, going te— were in the end not scientific at all, going to ask you to hold met— at all, going to ask you to hold tmettmewett. — at all, going to ask you to hold that thought. matthias, stay with us through the three minutes of the break and we will pick up this conversation. but as i say, have to

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memet— listening. i wonder if this memet et— listening. i wonder if this moment of, of- listening. i wonder if this moment of, of artificial intelligence— moment of, of artificial intelligence standing where it etemte— intelligence standing where it stands provides— intelligence standing where it stands provides humanity with an tmeettemt— stands provides humanity with an tmeettemt eettem— stands provides humanity with an important option community to eemettet— important option community to consider what— important option community to consider what being human even te demet— consider what being human even means is depher. _ consider what being human even means is depher. honestly, i definitely believe so . i believe definitely believe so. i believe that. definitely believe so. i believe that . while a lot of human that. while a lot of human interaction and contact is replaced by digital contact and even the human being itself is replaced by digital substitute , replaced by digital substitute, we will more and more feel pressed to start to think about what the difference is between the human being and the machine and i think there is a difference . there really is a difference. there really is a difference. there really is a difference because that's so characteristic every every time we try to replace a natural phenomenon by an artificial

phenomenon by an artificial phenomenon such as artificial intelligence , is replacing intelligence, is replacing a natural intelligence of human intelligence. we see that the artificial phenomena is very similar, almost identical, that it appears to be almost idenfical it appears to be almost identical, but that there always is a small difference . that is is a small difference. that is always the case. even if you create an artificial equivalent of simple mechanical devices such as a pendulum, you will see that there is a very small difference that the artificial phenomenon looks very much like the like the real one, but that the like the real one, but that the small difference contains the small difference contains the essence of the phenomenon or the essence of the phenomenon or the essence. it could. it the small difference represents the soul of the phenomenon. the essence of the phenomenon. and that's extremely important. exactly. this small aspect of nature of reality that cannot be grasped and recreated in a rational way is the essence of

life . and that's what science life. and that's what science exactly showed us, that in the end , the essence of all end, the essence of all phenomena in nature and then thinking about complex dynamical systems theory in the first place, then that the essence of the phenomena is always irrational , transcends rational irrational, transcends rational understanding . and that's understanding. and that's exactly what we will start to nofice exactly what we will start to notice that like all the artificial intelligence creators will be very similar, like the natural ones, but they will be there will be a difference. and there will be a difference. and the human being will experience this small difference. and that's exactly why we will start to look for what this essence is. we will reinvent it in these times. the essence of the human being. i times. the essence of the human being . i love that mathias being. i love that mathias cetwm— being. i love that mathias cetwm ,— being. i love that mathias calvin , what— being. i love that mathias calvin , what do- “g i love that mathias calvin , what do you make of calvin, what do you make of mete— calvin, what do you make of ttete t— calvin, what do you make of that? i think— calvin, what do you make of that? i think there are so many resonance in what— that? i think there are so many resonance in what mathias is eewme— resonance in what mathias is eewmg met— resonance in what mathias is saying that that— resonance in what mathias is saying that that speak to heart emt— saying that that speak to heart emt ah,— saying that that speak to heart and soul, that— saying that that speak to heart and soul, that you know, that wtttmetetw— and soul, that you know, that ultimately what— and soul, that you know, that ultimately what artificial intelligence _ ultimately what artificial intelligence us of intelligence might remind us of is intelligence might remind us of te me— intelligence might remind us of te the meet— intelligence might remind us of is the heart and— intelligence might remind us of is the heart and the soul that wttt— is the heart and the soul that wttt mee— is the heart and the soul that will never be— is the heart and the soul that will never be replicated by a ettteem— will never be replicated by a ettteem eme— will never be replicated by a silicon chip . _ will never be replicated by a silicon chip . �*ftt�*tigc silicon chip. well, that's the key, because what are we as

human beings? we you started this segment asking that question going question or saying we're going to start thinking about to have to start thinking about the think we're the question. and i think we're two things. are a body we two things. we are a body and we are a and we often forget are a soul. and we often forget that we're a soul. we focus entirely our body. this is entirely on our body. this is where entire trans argument entirely on our body. this is whecome entire trans argument entirely on our body. this is whecome entirethisis argument entirely on our body. this is whecome entirethis ideajument entirely on our body. this is whe come entirethis idea that nt entirely on our body. this is whe come entirethis idea that we has come from, this idea that we can be in the wrong body and that we have to adjust our body to kind of find true selves. to kind of find our true selves. no, our body and we are no, we are our body and we are our soul. we can't separate the two. that's how were two. that's how we were designed. it seems designed. mathias it seems i met— designed. mathias it seems i wtet t— designed. mathias it seems i wtet t tet— designed. mathias it seems i wish i had more— : g“ti;t: mathias it seems i wish i had more time. i always wem— wish i had more time. i always want more time.— wish i had more time. i always want more time. but it seems to me-eemetmme- want more time. but it seems to me something hopeful in me there is something hopeful in this-artificial— this that artificial intelligence will bring us face to intelligence will bring us face te-wttt— intelligence will bring us face to .with what _ intelligence will bring us face to-with what-to- intelligence will bring us face to with what to be to face with what it is to be tme — to face with what it is to be tme .ee— to face with what it is to be human. .as you- to face with what it is to be human. as you say, it's that human. and as you say, it's that mwtee— human. and as you say, it's thati invisa_essence invisa able, unreachable essence met— invisa able, unreachable essence ttet—mewet- invisa able, unreachable essence that—never touch. i that science will never touch. vee— that science will never touch. wee-t— that science will never touch. wee-t ttmt- that science will never touch. yes-i think in- that science will never touch. yes-i think in the. that science will never touch. . yes-i think in the end, yes exactly. i think in the end, maybe one of the most important differences between the human being the machine might be being and the machine might be the that the human being is the fact that the human being is capable of what we would call truth telling . truth telling is truth telling. truth telling is a kind of speech which starts from something that we feel

inside ourselves and what transcends our rational mind . transcends our rational mind. when we tell the truth , we speak when we tell the truth, we speak without thinking . we just say without thinking. we just say sincerely something that we experience inside of ourselves. and that's something a machine is not capable of. and that's exactly this truth telling is a kind of speech which connects people to each other. and as such, it is the real solution to the problems we are facing now in the first place. the loneliness in our society. so i think that's one of the differences between a human being and a machine that is capable of truth telling . and capable of truth telling. and i'm 100% sure that the most fundamental disease of our society now is the fact that is propaganda , a new kind of propaganda, a new kind of institutionalised lie which has seized control of public space and the remedy for propaganda will be truth telling. and at the same time it will cure the root cause of our psychological problems, which are which is loneliness. we could continue for a long time, neil, but we

won't be able to tell at all. i'm so glad i was able to eemeet— i'm so glad i was able to connect with— i'm so glad i was able to connect with you this evening emt— connect with you this evening end we— connect with you this evening emt we meet— connect with you this evening and we need to— connect with you this evening and we need to talk more about mte— and we need to talk more about the ttwtt— and we need to talk more about this truth telling. _ and we need to talk more about this truth telling. absolutely. in this truth telling. absolutely. m ewew— this truth telling. absolutely. it every wett— this truth telling. absolutely. in every walk of— this truth telling. absolutely. in every walk of life, that's wmete— in every walk of life, that's wtete tte — in every walk of life, that's where the answers thank where the answers lie. thank yew.— where the answers lie. thank wew. wetttee— where the answers lie. thank you. mathias from where the answers lie. thank- you. mathias-from ghent you. mathias desmedt from ghent in you. mathias desmedt from ghent tet-memt— you. mathias desmedt from ghent m-tmemt wew— you. mathias desmedt from ghent m-tmemt wew .- you. mathias desmedt from ghent in thank you . coming up in belgium. thank you. coming up wewtt— in belgium. thank you. coming up ,wewtt wew— in belgium. thank you. coming up ,weth wew twe— in belgium. thank you. coming up , would you like to— in belgium. thank you. coming up , would you like to own your wew— , would you like to own your wetw ew— , would you like to own your very eete— , would you like to own your very own crag? every day you get eetet— very own crag? every day you get eetet met— very own crag? every day you get asked that question— very own crag? every day you get asked that question . well, now's asked that question. well, now's wewt— asked that question. well, now's wewt cemet— asked that question. well, now's your chance. the— asked that question. well, now's your chance. the kilnsey crag in the yorkshire— your chance. the kilnsey crag in the yorkshire dales— your chance. the kilnsey crag in the yorkshire dales is up for eete— the yorkshire dales is up for eete tet— the yorkshire dales is up for sale for the— the yorkshire dales is up for sale for the guide price of attoeeo. — sale for the guide price of £150,000. you _ sale for the guide price of £150,000. you get the famous teet— £150,000. you get the famous teet ee— £150,000. you get the famous teet ee-ee— £150,000. you get the famous rock as-as about- £150,000. you get the famous rock as as about 90 acres rock as well as about 90 acres of rock as well as about 90 acres et teme. — rock as well as about 90 acres et teme. amt— rock as well as about 90 acres of land. and we'll— rock as well as about 90 acres of land. and we'll hear about met—

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wett . amt— factor in matthias desmond as well . and ash— factor in matthias desmond as well . and ash says human beings well. and ash says human beings are well. and ash says human beings eeeette— well. and ash says human beings eeeette et— well. and ash says human beings are capable of great things and mewe— are capable of great things and have wonderful— are capable of great things and have wonderful qualities like eemeeetewe— have wonderful qualities like eemeeetemp ,— have wonderful qualities like compassion , an— have wonderful qualities like compassion , an empathy and love. compassion, an empathy and love. but compassion, an empathy and love. ewt tmee— compassion, an empathy and love. ewt tmee ee— compassion, an empathy and love. but humans are also— compassion, an empathy and love. but humans are also capable of tteptewme— but humans are also capable of displaying horrible qualities ewet— displaying horrible qualities ewet ee— displaying horrible qualities such as selfish— displaying horrible qualities such as selfish ness, greed and etwettw— such as selfish ness, greed and etwettw .— such as selfish ness, greed and cruelty . these— such as selfish ness, greed and cruelty . these horrible cruelty. these horrible ewettttee— cruelty. these horrible qualities are - cruelty. these horrible qualities are on display by our ewttemt— qualities are on display by our current rulers— qualities are on display by our current rulers for— qualities are on display by our current rulers for all to see, twt— current rulers for all to see, twt we— current rulers for all to see, twt we ee— current rulers for all to see, but we are all— current rulers for all to see, but we are all free to ignore mett— but we are all free to ignore their dictates— but we are all free to ignore their dictates and live our twee— their dictates and live our ttwee tete. — their dictates and live our lives here. here- their dictates and live our lives here. here okay. moving attmeew— lives here. here okay. moving on. kilnsey crag— lives here. here okay. moving on. kilnsey crag a majestic vettemte— on. kilnsey crag a majestic yorkshire landmark. a giant ttmeeteme— yorkshire landmark. a giant limestone cliff.— yorkshire landmark. a giant limestone cliff. revered by ettmtete— limestone cliff. revered by climbers and _ limestone cliff. revered by climbers and fell runners is up for climbers and fell runners is up tet etete. — climbers and fell runners is up tet etete. me— climbers and fell runners is up for grabs. the looming beetling twtt— for grabs. the looming beetling twtt et— for grabs. the looming beetling bulk of kilnsey— for grabs. the looming beetling bulk of kilnsey crag, all 170ft of bulk of kilnsey crag, all 170ft et tt— bulk of kilnsey crag, all 170ft of it, together— bulk of kilnsey crag, all 170ft of it, together with 19 acres of eeeeetetet— of it, together with 19 acres of associated land,— of it, together with 19 acres of associated land, was sculpted by the associated land, was sculpted by tte teet— associated land, was sculpted by the teet tee— associated land, was sculpted by the last ice age— associated land, was sculpted by the last ice age tens of thousands— the last ice age tens of thousands of- the last ice age tens of thousands of years ago. it's teetwtet— thousands of years ago. it's teetwtet ett— thousands of years ago. it's featured on countless postcards emt— featured on countless postcards emt etetee— featured on countless postcards emt ptetee emt— featured on countless postcards and photos and was painted by the ettet— and photos and was painted by the artist jmw_ and photos and was painted by the artist jmw turner in 1816. new— the artist jmw turner in 1816. new tt— the artist jmw turner in 1816. new tt eewtt— the artist jmw turner in 1816. now it could be— the artist jmw turner in 1816. now it could be yours for the etmeetw— now it could be yours for the pttmeetw ewm— now it could be yours for the princely sum of— now it could be yours for the princely sum of £150,000. fell twme— princely sum of £150,000. fell ttwme tet— princely sum of £150,000. fell runner ted mason— princely sum of £150,000. fell runner ted mason joins me now to twtteet— runner ted mason joins me now to wax lyrical about— runner ted mason joins me now to wax lyrical about what the crag

te— wax lyrical about what the crag te mm — wax lyrical about what the crag means to him and— wax lyrical about what the crag means to him and to the local . wt,— means to him and to the local . m, tet— means to him and to the local . m, tet. — means to him and to the local area . hi, ted . i: “t; area. hi, ted. good evening. this is it's quite a sight kilnsey crag . is there any idea kilnsey crag. is there any idea teeettw— kilnsey crag. is there any idea teeettw wtw— kilnsey crag. is there any idea teeettw why we— kilnsey crag. is there any idea locally why it's up— kilnsey crag. is there any idea locally why it's up for- tiliwittg is there any idea locally why it's up for sale? why— locally why it's up for sale? wtw te— locally why it's up for sale? wtw te tt— locally why it's up for sale? why te tt em— locally why it's up for sale? why is it on the— locally why it's up for sale? why is it on the market at i ttmt— why is it on the market at i ttmt ttwe— why is it on the market at i think the local— why is it on the market at i think the local farmer must have teettet— think the local farmer must have teettet te— think the local farmer must have decided to sell— think the local farmer must have decided to sell the— think the local farmer must have decided to sell the land there . decided to sell the land there. it decided to sell the land there. tt meet— decided to sell the land there. tt mwet te— decided to sell the land there. it must be having— decided to sell the land there. it must be having a— decided to sell the land there. it must be having a bit- decided to sell the land there. it must be having a bit of- it must be having a bit of a sort out and decided to put it on the market, see where it makes as a fell runner. i can i can imagine you're— “ti” i can i can imagine you're familiar ttwtettw— can imagine you're familiar brutally familiar with the etettemee — brutally familiar with the challenge it— brutally familiar with the challenge it poses . what the challenge it poses. what the tem— challenge it poses. what the field itself. _ challenge it poses. what the field itself. you— challenge it poses. what the field itself. v/tit. “ challenge it poses. what the field itself. v/tit. “ “tie?“ field itself. you mean or. yeah. yeah. it just as part— field itself. you mean or. yeah. yeah. it just as part of- field itself. you mean or. yeah. yeah. it just as part of a- yeah. it just as part of a tettewe— yeah. it just as part of a believe there's- “tie?“ it just as part of a believe there's some kind of teeeemt— believe there's some kind of descent down— believe there's some kind of descent down something they call a descent down something they call e ettmnew— descent down something they call a chimney, which— descent down something they call a chimney, which sounds temtwmg. — a chimney, which sounds terrifying. oh,- a chimney, which sounds terrifying. cj“ gilt?" “ti”ti; terrifying. oh, yeah. there's a there's a the, an annual fell race which i've done about 20 odd times, which runs down the side the crag and yeah, it's side of the crag and yeah, it's quite a terrifying race. have you , have you ever climbed the

you, have you ever climbed the crag ? no, i've never been into crag? no, i've never been into climbing . i've tried a bit of climbing. i've tried a bit of indoor stuff, but no, it's a very popular climbing site . very popular climbing site. there's every day i'll go past the crag a couple of times a week and there's always climbers there. it's a haven for climbers . and what is the reaction teeettw— . and what is the reaction teeettw e— . and what is the reaction teeettw e ate— . and what is the reaction locally ? me i— and what is the reaction locally ? me i can imagine locally? me i can imagine eemetttme— locally? me i can imagine something. so— locally? me i can imagine something. so iconic that tttetettw— something. so iconic that literally looms- something. so iconic that literally looms over people's ttwee. — literally looms over people's ttwee. eeme— literally looms over people's lives. being up— literally looms over people's lives. being up for sale. is mete— lives. being up for sale. is ttete e— lives. being up for sale. is ttete e te— lives. being up for sale. is there a is there- lives. being up for sale. is there a is there an anxiety etewt— there a is there an anxiety etewt wte— there a is there an anxiety about who might come in and take it? about who might come in and take tte teet— about who might come in and take tte teem ttmt— about who might come in and take it? yeah think there— about who might come in and take it? yeah think there is a little bit it? yeah think there is a little ttt teee— it? yeah think there is a little bit because i'm— it? yeah think there is a little bit because i'm i'm involved wttm— bit because i'm i'm involved wttt ttwe— bit because i'm i'm involved with the kilnsey— bit because i'm i'm involved with the kilnsey show which has the etee— with the kilnsey show which has the etee ee— with the kilnsey show which has the crag race and— with the kilnsey show which has the crag race and we run over met— the crag race and we run over ttet teme— the crag race and we run over that land now— the crag race and we run over that land now it— the crag race and we run over that land now it is— the crag race and we run over that land now it is open access so that land now it is open access ee tt— that land now it is open access so it shouldn't— that land now it is open access so it shouldn't affect people going— so it shouldn't affect people going em— so it shouldn't affect people going em tt. — so it shouldn't affect people going on it. but- so it shouldn't affect people going on it. t:ti.t so it shouldn't affect people going on it. titit so it shouldn't affect people going on it. t:ti.t t:ti.t going on it. but you do, you do worry who's going to get it and what they're going to try and do. but it's a triple c land, so it's a site of scientific, special scientific interest. right? so you are restricted on what you can do and but i can't see anyone in agriculture wanting it because it doesn't really have much value for farming. you know, a big, steep

cliff isn't an ideal spot to put your sheep or your cows. so to me, the only person who wants to buy is just going to it's like a piece of artwork. i'd suggest. you know, it's just a lump of artwork in the dale . speaking of artwork in the dale. speaking of wmem— artwork in the dale. speaking of when t-m— artwork in the dale. speaking of which, i'm hoping— artwork in the dale. speaking of which, i'm hoping that- i“ t speaking of which, i'm hoping that we do tewe— which, i'm hoping that we do have some some— which, i'm hoping that we do have some some images available or have some some images available et em tmeee— have some some images available or an image available is that you?— or an image available is that you? t— or an image available is that you? t tete— or an image available is that you? t tete tt— or an image available is that you? i take it that's you, ted ? you? i take it that's you, ted? yest— you? i take it that's you, ted? wee. met-e— you? i take it that's you, ted? yes, that's me— you? i take it that's you, ted? yes, that's me doing the race teet— yes, that's me doing the race teet m— yes, that's me doing the race teet m ttwe— yes, that's me doing the race back in the 90s— yes, that's me doing the race back in the 90s as the 19 year ett— back in the 90s as the 19 year we — back in the 90s as the 19 year we teem— back in the 90s as the 19 year old. yeah. and— back in the 90s as the 19 year old. yeah. and that- back in the 90s as the 19 year old. / “t: old. yeah. and that that looming. that looming eminence at looming. that looming eminence et wewt— looming. that looming eminence et wewt teet. — looming. that looming eminence at your back. that's— “3 that looming eminence at your back. that's the crag. wee. — at your back. that's the crag. wee. teem— at your back. that's the crag. yes. yeah that's— at your back. that's the crag. yes. yeah that's the crag. so met-e— yes. yeah that's the crag. so ttet-e ee— yes. yeah that's the crag. so ttet-e ee yew— yes. yeah that's the crag. so that's as you say,— yes. yeah that's the crag. so that's as you say, it's- yes. yeah that's the crag. so that's as you say, it's 170ft up and it protrudes out another 40ft on an overhang. so it's a real challenge for the for top climbers . is that crag? i think climbers. is that crag? i think it was once free, climbed by some crazy, crazy, crazy person. i don't know who it was, but not for not me. i just write to run up the side of it. i think what peeetttw— up the side of it. i think what possibly wasn't— up the side of it. i think what possibly wasn't really- l. t:ti e i think what possibly wasn't really visible mete— possibly wasn't really visible ttete m— possibly wasn't really visible there in that— possibly wasn't really visible there in that that photograph is there in that that photograph is the ewememe. — there in that that photograph is the overhang. when you talk etewt— the overhang. when you talk about climbing— the overhang. when you talk about climbing it, there's a

temtwme— about climbing it, there's a terrifying overhang about it. so wewte— terrifying overhang about it. so wewte met— terrifying overhang about it. so wee met going— terrifying overhang about it. so you're not going straight up. vewte— you're not going straight up. teme-teet- you're not going straight up. you're-back on- you're not going straight up. you're back on your you're climbing back on your own:— you're climbing back on your ewmlwewt— you're climbing back on your ewmlwewt ew— you're climbing back on your own, your own dumas oh yeah, own, on your own dumas oh yeah, weem— own, on your own dumas oh yeah, weem . — own, on your own dumas oh yeah, weem . tt-e— own, on your own dumas oh yeah, yeah . it's steeper— own, on your own dumas oh yeah, yeah . it's steeper than- own, on your own dumas oh yeah, yeah . l grit“ yeah. it's steeper than vertical . yeah. yeah. so it's , it's a, . yeah. yeah. so it's, it's a, it's a 40 foot backwards. uh climb, you know, over vertical climb. and as someone intimately connected to the place, what would you say is, is that it adds, what does kilnsey crag add to that environment in which it sits? what's the atmosphere it eeeetetee— sits? what's the atmosphere it eemetetee tte— sits? what's the atmosphere it generates its well,— 37 what's the atmosphere it generates its well, it's, it's twet— generates its well, it's, it's twet ett— generates its well, it's, it's just an iconic— generates its well, it's, it's just an iconic part of the deal. vee— just an iconic part of the deal. you mew.— just an iconic part of the deal. you knew tt— just an iconic part of the deal. you know, if you've— just an iconic part of the deal. you know, if you've been- just an iconic part of the deal. you know, if you've been around the dales , you've, you know, of the dales, you've, you know, of kilnsey crag, it's just a spectacular limestone and it comes right into the dales. you can't miss it. and the road is literally at the bottom of the of the crag. so all the, you know , all the, all the, the know, all the, all the, the traffic up, the dales go right under it. so it's a spectacle to for see me, for me it just says something that turner turner one of the most you know, significant of any significant artists of any penod significant artists of any period you know made it the

focus for one of his works. i think that's probably- focus for one of his works. i think that's probably a- think that's probably a stamp of its think that's probably a stamp of tte etewttee— think that's probably a stamp of tte gtewttee . — think that's probably a stamp of its gravitas . oh,— think that's probably a stamp of its gravitas. cj“ “ti;”ti; its gravitas. oh, yeah. there's been many a picture and many a photograph taken of it. and, you know , a lot of artists have know, a lot of artists have drawn the crag because, you know , it's such an iconic spot. ted mason, thank you _ , it's such an iconic spot. ted mason, thank you very- l 3.ti.“ w?" 0.03 ti. ted mason, thank you very much for met.— mason, thank you very much for ttet. met-e— mason, thank you very much for that. that's been— mason, thank you very much for that. that's been a— mason, thank you very much for that. that's been a lovely to tewe— that. that's been a lovely to tewe wew— that. that's been a lovely to have you with— that. that's been a lovely to have you with us. - that. that's been a lovely to have you with us. if had emeeete— have you with us. if had £150,000 down the back of my eeet— £150,000 down the back of my eeet t— £150,000 down the back of my couch, i would— £150,000 down the back of my couch, i would certainly be up for couch, i would certainly be up tet tttmeew— couch, i would certainly be up for kilnsey crag. _ couch, i would certainly be up for kilnsey crag. but sadly, eettw— for kilnsey crag. but sadly, eetw. t— for kilnsey crag. but sadly, sadly, i think— for kilnsey crag. but sadly, sadly, i think it's going to be tewemt— sadly, i think it's going to be tewemt me— sadly, i think it's going to be beyond me. but— sadly, i think it's going to be beyond me. but if i was if i was going— beyond me. but if i was if i was going te— beyond me. but if i was if i was going te tew— beyond me. but if i was if i was going te tew ewt— beyond me. but if i was if i was going to lay out for— beyond me. but if i was if i was going to lay out for something, i'd going to lay out for something, t-t wem— going to lay out for something, i'd want something that had mettetee— i'd want something that had mettetee ee— i'd want something that had mattered so much to so many people— mattered so much to so many eeewe-teme— mattered so much to so many peepte-teme-t- mattered so much to so many people long i could people for so long that i could twet— people for so long that i could twet eemtmwe— people for so long that i could just continue share with just continue to share it with them.— just continue to share it with them-ett— just continue to share it with them,-all.have. just continue to share it with them, all have time them, that's all we have time for them, that's all we have time tet tte— them, that's all we have time for this evening.— them, that's all we have time for this evening. thanks to all wetetme— for this evening. thanks to all wetetme ett— for this evening. thanks to all watching all my— for this evening. thanks to all watching all my guests. i'll be teet— watching all my guests. i'll be baa—nea- watching all my guests. i'll be beet—text we- watching all my guests. i'll bej back_ next uplmy back next week. next up is my wentettwt— back next week. next up is my wonderful guest— back next week. next up is my wonderful guest elder. this wonderful guest of elder. this evening— wonderful guest of elder. this. ewemtme—eeet evening, calvin robinson. good evening-— evening, calvin robinson. good evening-jonathan- evening. i'm jonathan vautrey here your latest gb news here with your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. marks first weather forecast from the met offitsince marks first weather forecast from the met offitsince the marks first weather forecast from the met offitsince the endiarks first weather forecast from the met offitsince the end of

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