channel hello i channell hello and mamet— hello and welcome. lawnm— hello and welcome. this mamet— hello and welcome. this is calm-s— hello and welcome. this is calvin's commonsense crusade. with calvin's commonsense crusade. with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. first of all, i want to thank emma webb for stepping in for me last week. but be discussing but today we'll be discussing the of a christian doctor the case of a christian doctor who his with the who lost his job with the department work and pensions department of work and pensions over stance against a over his stance against a transgenderism thrilled transgenderism. and i'm thrilled to later by orthodox to be joined later by orthodox icon and host of the icon carver and host of the symbolic world podcast, jonathan paju, who will speak about his upcoming book, snow white and the widow queen and his quest to re—enchant fairy tales. but

before that, we have a duel where my duel lists will be discussing whether the police have become soft on crime. with a recent trend of arrests and re—arrests of people like the tiktoker missy and emma. what's your first initial take on that? i think the police have become soft on crime. i think people that— soft on crime. i think people can see that the— g" c.” i think people can see that the police are policing— can see that the police are policing things— can see that the police are policing things that they shouldn-t— policing things that they shouldn't policing and not shouldn't be policing and not policing—then policing the things that they should. — policing the things that they should. -serious. should. there is a serious problem— should. there is a serious problem criminal problem with the criminal justice— problem with the criminal justice system— problem with the criminal justice system this country. justice system in this country. burglaries— justice system in this country.. burglaries—solved, burglaries are not being solved, but-are— burglaries are not being solved, but-are being- burglaries are not being solved, but are being arrested but people are being arrested for—saying-n for what they're saying and it cannot—to- for what they're saying and it. cannot—to continue. cannot be allowed to continue. rm — cannot be allowed to continue. m not— cannot be allowed to continue. i'm not convinced— cannot be allowed to continue. i'm not convinced that's- cannot be allowed to continue. i'm not convinced that's one sentence. thank you, aaron. sentence. but thank you, aaron. what's it's a mess. what's your take? it's a mess. and it's not just on protest where— and it's not just on protest whereithink_ and it's not just on protest where think people should where i think people should perhaps— where i think people should perhaps opinions that might perhaps have opinions that might diverge—angryi diverge from mine and be angry. but-things— diverge from mine and be angry. but-things like— diverge from mine and be angry. but-things like hit— diverge from mine and be angry. but things like hit and run but on things like hit and run sexual— but on things like hit and run sexual assault,— but on things like hit and run sexual assault, people aren't evenn-pon- sexual assault, people aren't evenn-pon i- sexual assault, people aren't even prison. i think even going to prison. i think that-s— even going to prison. i think. mars—my that's wrong. right? that is my sidekick,— that's wrong. right? that is my sidekick, my— that's wrong. right? that is my sidekick, my nemesis. ' z sidekick, my nemesis. and the duet— sidekick, my nemesis. and the duet-be— sidekick, my nemesis. and the duel be coming soon. but duel will be coming up soon. but before here's the news before that, here's the news with armstrong . very good with aaron armstrong. very good evening to with aaron armstrong. very good evening no you. — with aaron armstrong. very good evening to you. let's— with aaron armstrong. very good evening to you. let's get- d very good evening to you. let's get you up to evening to you. let's get you up no ene— evening to you. let's get you up no date nnn— evening to you. let's get you up to date with the— evening to you. let's get you up to date with the headlines from the to date with the headlines from nne newenen— to date with the headlines from the newsroom the— to date with the headlines from the newsroom the prime minister

is the newsroom the prime minister n facing— the newsroom the prime minister n naana caus— the newsroom the prime minister is facing calls for— the newsroom the prime minister is facing calls for a— the newsroom the prime minister is facing calls for a general election— is facing calls for a general election following the announcement a third announcement of a third tory resignation— announcement of a third tory ieeignaaian .— announcement of a third tory resignation . nigel adams, mp resignation. nigel adams, the mp for seiny— resignation. nigel adams, the mp for seiny ana— resignation. nigel adams, the mp for selby and ainsty, says he's eanaing— for selby and ainsty, says he's standing down— for selby and ainsty, says he's standing down with immediate effect— standing down with immediate effect ,— standing down with immediate effect , triggering a third effect, triggering a third by—election_ effect, triggering a third by—election in 24 hours. boris iannean— by—election in 24 hours. boris johnson announced his resignation— johnson announced his resignation yesterday after seeing— resignation yesterday after seeing in— resignation yesterday after seeing in advance a report eaagna— seeing in advance a report eaagni ny— seeing in advance a report eaagni by ine— seeing in advance a report sought by the committee investigating— sought by the committee investigating whether he misled nanianena. — investigating whether he misled parliament. the— investigating whether he misled parliament. the culture secretary,— parliament. the culture secretary, nadine dorries eiennea— secretary, nadine dorries stepped down _ secretary, nadine dorries stepped down shortly after he did stepped down shortly after he iii .— stepped down shortly after he iii . ine— stepped down shortly after he did . the shadow— stepped down shortly after he did . the shadow deputy leader, did. the shadow deputy leader, angeia— did. the shadow deputy leader, angeia naynei— did. the shadow deputy leader, angela rayner says it's clear ane— angela rayner says it's clear ane ionne— angela rayner says it's clear the former prime— angela rayner says it's clear the former prime minister lied. none— the former prime minister lied. none ionneon— the former prime minister lied. boris johnson has— the former prime minister lied. boris johnson has shown himself to be— boris johnson has shown himself to be a— boris johnson has shown himself to be a coward— boris johnson has shown himself to be a coward once more. 4:3. to be a coward once more. you know.— to be a coward once more. you know. non.— to be a coward once more. you know. ne-a nes— to be a coward once more. you know, he's, he's not— to be a coward once more. you know, he's, he's not held his hands up to and taken responsible motty as he should do.the responsible motty as he should do. the privileges committee, a well respected committee that are made up majority of tory mps. and he's just tried to trash them and say, i've got no responsibility, i've done nothing wrong. he's a man that can never hold his hands up to what he's done. and i think he's an disgrace. you an absolute disgrace. and, you know, good riddance. he shouldn't have been in parliament the place.

parliament in the first place. a 16 year old parliament in the first place. a16 year old boy has been a 16 year old boy has been onaigea— a 16 year old boy has been charged with— a16 year old boy has been charged with two counts of attempted — charged with two counts of attempted murder and count attempted murder and one count of attempted murder and one count oi-anei— attempted murder and one count of-after.attack- attempted murder and one count of-after. attack at- attempted murder and one count of-after. attack at a- of gbh after an attack at a private— of gbh after an attack at a private school— of gbh after an attack at a private school in devon. police nno— private school in devon. police nno waee— private school in devon. police who were called— private school in devon. police who were called to blundell's sonooi— who were called to blundell's sonooi in— who were called to blundell's school in tiverton around 1 am. yeeieniao— school in tiverton around 1 am. yeeaeniay, sav— school in tiverton around 1 am. yesterday, say three people, inoiaaing— yesterday, say three people, including two _ yesterday, say three people, including two students, sustained _ including two students, sustained multiple serious iniaaiee— sustained multiple serious injuries. one— sustained multiple serious injuries. one boy is in a onoioai— injuries. one boy is in a critical condition . the other is critical condition. the other is said— critical condition. the other is said oo— critical condition. the other is eaia to be— critical condition. the other is said to be serious— critical condition. the other is said to be serious but stable . said to be serious but stable. says— said to be serious but stable. says a— said to be serious but stable. says a second— said to be serious but stable. says a second man has been arrested— says a second man has been arrested in— says a second man has been arrested in connection with the disappearance— arrested in connection with the disappearance of— arrested in connection with the disappearance of a woman in county— disappearance of a woman in county antrim._ disappearance of a woman in county antrim. the 21 year old cnioe— county antrim. the 21 year old chloe mitchell— county antrim. the 21 year old chloe mitchell was last seen in naiiynena.— chloe mitchell was last seen in naiiynena. a— chloe mitchell was last seen in ballymena. a week ago. around 80 voianaeen— ballymena. a week ago. around 80 volunteers beers— ballymena. a week ago. around 80 volunteers beers with the community— volunteers beers with the community rescue service have been— community rescue service have been involved— community rescue service have been involved in— community rescue service have been involved in a— community rescue service have been involved in a major search of one— been involved in a major search of ane area— been involved in a major search of the area, with— been involved in a major search of the area, with teams concentrating - of the area, with teams concentrating on the banks of the concentrating on the banks of ane ner— concentrating on the banks of the river. braid,— concentrating on the banks of the river. braid, a— concentrating on the banks of the river. braid, a 34 year old is being— the river. braid, a 34 year old is being questioned after a 26 year— is being questioned after a 26 year oin— is being questioned after a 26 year on man— is being questioned after a 26 year old man was— is being questioned after a 26 year old man was arrested in logan— year old man was arrested in logan on— year old man was arrested in lurgan on thursday . prosecutors lurgan on thursday. prosecutors say a— lurgan on thursday. prosecutors say a nation— lurgan on thursday. prosecutors say a british girl— lurgan on thursday. prosecutors say a british girl stabbed in ne— say a british girl stabbed in ane rrenon— say a british girl stabbed in the french alps— say a british girl stabbed in the french alps will be able to ieave— the french alps will be able to leave hospital— the french alps will be able to leave hospital in— the french alps will be able to leave hospital in the next few days. — leave hospital in the next few days. ine— leave hospital in the next few days. the three— leave hospital in the next few days. the three year old was on

noiiaay— days. the three year old was on noiiaay witn— days. the three year old was on holiday with her— days. the three year old was on holiday with her parents when she holiday with her parents when one ana— holiday with her parents when she and three— holiday with her parents when she and three other young oniiaren— she and three other young children were— she and three other young children were attacked at a park in ne— children were attacked at a park in ane tonn— children were attacked at a park in ane town or— children were attacked at a park in the town of annecy on inareaay. — in the town of annecy on thursday. two- in the town of annecy on thursday. two pensioners were aieo— thursday. two pensioners were aieo iniarea— thursday. two pensioners were aieo iniarea .— thursday. two pensioners were also injured . the— thursday. two pensioners were also injured . the victims are no also injured. the victims are no ionger— also injured. the victims are no ionger in— also injured. the victims are no ionger in a— also injured. the victims are no longer in a critical— also injured. the victims are no longer in a critical condition. a oi— longer in a critical condition. a or year— longer in a critical condition. a or year oin— longer in a critical condition. a 31 year old syrian refugee racing— a 31 year old syrian refugee facing attempted murder charges has facing attempted murder charges nae been— facing attempted murder charges has been remanded in custody . has been remanded in custody. naiian— has been remanded in custody. italian authorities— has been remanded in custody. italian authorities have reieaeea— italian authorities have released video of a turkish ship by armed— released video of a turkish ship by armed illegal— released video of a turkish ship by armed illegal migrants trying to reaon— by armed illegal migrants trying to reach europe— by armed illegal migrants trying to reach europe ._ by armed illegal migrants trying to reach europe . the italian to reach europe. the italian eneoiai— to reach europe. the italian special forces— to reach europe. the italian special forces stormed the reeeei— special forces stormed the vessel yesterday and regained connoi— vessel yesterday and regained oonaroi oi— vessel yesterday and regained control of the— vessel yesterday and regained control of the ship after nearly seven hours, detaining 15 reorie— seven hours, detaining 15 geopie. 22— seven hours, detaining 15 people. 22 members of the crew nave— people. 22 members of the crew nave been— people. 22 members of the crew have been released. they weren't seriousn— have been released. they weren't seriously injured— have been released. they weren't seriously injured and not long to go— seriously injured and not long to go no— seriously injured and not long ro go for— seriously injured and not long to go now for kick off in the cnannione— to go now for kick off in the champions league final. manchester— champions league final. manchester city. are on the verge— manchester city. are on the verge of— manchester city. are on the verge of making history if they near— verge of making history if they can beat inter— verge of making history if they can beat inter milan. if they go,— can beat inter milan. if they no, anar— can beat inter milan. if they no, anaa ony— can beat inter milan. if they do, that city will— can beat inter milan. if they do, that city will become just ane— do, that city will become just ane eeoona— do, that city will become just the second english team to compete— the second english team to oongieae a— the second english team to complete a league fa cup and european— complete a league fa cup and european treble— complete a league fa cup and european treble live shots oaaeiae— european treble live shots outside the _ european treble live shots outside the ataturk stadium. nere— outside the ataturk stadium. here in— outside the ataturk stadium. here in istanbul. some 20,000

ony— here in istanbul. some 20,000 no fans— here in istanbul. some 20,000 no fans niii— here in istanbul. some 20,000 city fans will be— here in istanbul. some 20,000 city fans will be in— here in istanbul. some 20,000 city fans will be in the stadium for ane— city fans will be in the stadium for the match.— city fans will be in the stadium for the match. city— city fans will be in the stadium for the match. city have never ane— for the match. city have never won the champions league inter anoagn— won the champions league inter anoagn ane— won the champions league inter though the underdogs last lifted it though the underdogs last lifted g in— though the underdogs last lifted g in zero.— though the underdogs last lifted it in 2010. and— though the underdogs last lifted it in 2010. and in— though the underdogs last lifted it in 2010. and in doing so oongieaea— it in 2010. and in doing so completed an— it in 2010. and in doing so completed an italian treble . gb completed an italian treble. gb newe— completed an italian treble. gb news. we— completed an italian treble. gb news. we niii— completed an italian treble. gb news. we will bring you more as it nappene. — news. we will bring you more as it nappene. non— news. we will bring you more as it happens. now it's back to canin— it happens. now it's back to cairin .— calvin. how is calvin.- how is just canin- how is just stop canin— how is just stop oil? not a death— how is just stop oil? not a death cane— how is just stop oil? not a death cult? they indoctrinate young people with their climate crisis propaganda , pushing the crisis propaganda, pushing the narrative of a climate emergency with dire consequences if we do not act immediately. they encourage mostly middle class metropolitan elite types to risk their civil liberties and sometimes their lives by protesting on busy motorways, sometimes even dangerously hanging over them on the overhead gantries . it seems overhead gantries. it seems their cult leader, roger hallam,

is a busy man, not only is he the founder of just stop oil, he also founded extinction rebellion. animal rebellion insulate britain rising up, and he is the leader of a political party called burning pink , an party called burning pink, an example of how mr hallam indoctrinates, vulnerable young people to join his extremist causesis people to join his extremist causes is the following clip . a causes is the following clip. a warning that this is very extreme and graphic language that mr hallam uses on the other thing about social collapse is the complete loss of material security or law and order, as you might say. so what will nappen— you might say. so what will nappen ie— you might say. so what will happen is episodes- g so what will happen is episodes where someone or a gang— happen is episodes where someone or a gang of— happen is episodes where someone or a gang of young— happen is episodes where someone or a gang of young men come into your— or a gang of young men come into your nonse— or a gang of young men come into your noue aney— or a gang of young men come into your house, they take your giriiriena— your house, they take your girlfriend and— your house, they take your girlfriend and they take your noaner— girlfriend and they take your noaner .— girlfriend and they take your noaner . iney— girlfriend and they take your mother . they put her onto the mother. they put her onto the rabie— mother. they put her onto the aanie ana— mother. they put her onto the table and they— mother. they put her onto the table and they gang rape you. ner— table and they gang rape you. he in— table and they gang rape you. he in front— table and they gang rape you. her in front of— table and they gang rape you. her in front of you . and then her in front of you. and then after— her in front of you. and then after anar— her in front of you. and then after that they— her in front of you. and then after that they take a hot stick ana— after that they take a hot stick and a— after that they take a hot stick and a tone— after that they take a hot stick and a gone out— after that they take a hot stick and a poke out your eyes and

iney— and a poke out your eyes and aney ruini— and a poke out your eyes and iney bring you. — and a poke out your eyes and they blind you. that's the reaiiay— they blind you. that's the reaiiay oi— they blind you. that's the reality of the— they blind you. that's the reality of the annihilation grog-eer— reality of the annihilation grog-ear anar— reality of the annihilation project that you face. " project that you face. sinister . vie— project that you face. sinister . vie nave— project that you face. sinister . we have a— project that you face. sinister . we have a long history of democratic protests in the uk . democratic protests in the uk. hallam's cult purposefully disengaged with the democratic process and instead seek to cause disruption and harm. it's when his philistines, through soup of over van gogh's sunflower painting . i think it sunflower painting. i think it was phoebe plummer who was arrested, released on bail under the condition that she would not protest on any public road in the uk. and she immediately goes out joins protest in the out and joins a protest in the capital to be arrested capital only to be arrested again . we've seen weeks of two again. we've seen weeks of two tier policing, with officers defending the protests and arresting honest, hard working brits, trying to go about their day to day lives. the police often seem more interested in engaging polite conversation engaging in polite conversation and making them cups of tea than they are in arresting the protesters and moving on. protesters and moving them on. so it should come as no surprise to see the softly, softly approach to phoebe's arrest .

approach to phoebe's arrest. have one more scott hash browns oorning. — have one more scott hash browns coming. absolutely— have one more scott hash browns coming. ' oily she's not coming. absolutely. she's not going— coming. absolutely. she's not going to— coming. absolutely. she's not going to nave— coming. absolutely. she's not going to have those. - coming. she's not going to have those. oh did you pay going to have those. oh did you gay aireaay— going to have those. oh did you gay aireaaye — going to have those. oh did you gay aireaaye no.— going to have those. oh did you pay already ? \:::r ll 91; l pay already? no. i'll get it. thank you . what was pay already? \r:::r ll 91; l what was cut pay already? \r:::r ll 91; . “ea/m“ what was cut from thank you. what was cut from anar— thank you. what was cut from anaa oug— thank you. what was cut from anaa air is— thank you. what was cut from that clip is she— thank you. what was cut from that clip is she asked- “ea/m“ what was cut from that clip is she asked if she could— that clip is she asked if she could have— that clip is she asked if she could have another sip of her cappuccino,— could have another sip of her cappuccino, and— could have another sip of her cappuccino, and they said, yes, go ahead. — cappuccino, and they said, yes, go ahead. vou— cappuccino, and they said, yes, go ahead. you know, take your time,— go ahead. you know, take your time, love.— go ahead. you know, take your time, love. so— go ahead. you know, take your time, love. so much for being tough—tough- time, love. so much for being tough—tough on| time, love. so much for being. tough—tough on the tough on crime and tough on the causes crime. surely causes of crime. surely the pence— causes of crime. surely the police should— causes of crime. surely the police should be ripping these thugs— police should be ripping these thugs-hooligans- police should be ripping these thugs hooligans off the busy thugs and hooligans off the busy road—health- thugs and hooligans off the busy road—health and. road for their own health and safety— road for their own health and safety-that- road for their own health and safety -that of- road for their own health and safety that of everyone safety and for that of everyone else— safety and for that of everyone else-them.— safety and for that of everyone. else -them.-happens else around them. what happens when—caughtl else around them. what happens. when—caught up when an ambulance gets caught up in when an ambulance gets caught up mnem— when an ambulance gets caught up in-extra traffic— when an ambulance gets caught up in-extra traffic and— when an ambulance gets caught up in extra traffic and lives in the extra traffic and lives lost?— in the extra traffic and lives are lost.7 who's— in the extra traffic and lives are lost.7 who's going to take responsibility?— responsibility.7 the police should— responsibility.7 the policei should _crime. should be policing crime. everyone— should be policing crime. everyone-right- should be policing crime. everyone right to peaceful everyone has a right to peaceful protest,— everyone has a right to peaceful protest—not- everyone has a right to peaceful protest—not get- everyone has a right to peaceful protest,-not get to. protest, but we do not get to disrupt— protest, but we do not get to disrupt-working- disrupt ordinary working folks uves— disrupt ordinary working folks lives—fringe- disrupt ordinary working folksi lives _fringe cult lives because some fringe cult leader— lives because some fringe cult leader has— lives because some fringe cult leader has disturbing apocalyptic- leader has disturbing apocalyptic fantasies .

apocalyptic fantasies. n-s— apocalyptic fantasies. n-s nw— apocalyptic fantasies. it's now time for the jewel, which— it's now time for the jewel, which is— it's now time for the jewel, which is ch— it's now time for the jewel, which is on a— it's now time for the jewel, which is on a similar topic to my— which is on a similar topic to my hchchcguc. — which is on a similar topic to my monologue. we've seen a cent— my monologue. we've seen a ccchc panch— my monologue. we've seen a recent pattern of— my monologue. we've seen a recent pattern of arrests and re—arrests with— recent pattern of arrests and re—arrests with people like the hhchcc— re—arrests with people like the hhchcc .— re—arrests with people like the tiktoker , missy— re—arrests with people like the tiktoker , missy and the just tiktoker, missy and the just scop— tiktoker, missy and the just scch ch— tiktoker, missy and the just stop oil activist— tiktoker, missy and the just stop oil activist phoebe hummer. — stop oil activist phoebe plummer. so - stop oil activist phoebe plummer. so i'm asking, stop oil activist phoebe plummer. so i'm asking , have the plummer. so i'm asking, have the hchcc— plummer. so i'm asking, have the pchcc gchc— plummer. so i'm asking, have the pchcc gchc sch— plummer. so i'm asking, have the police gone soft on— plummer. so i'm asking, have the police gone soft on crime? and gchchhh— police gone soft on crime? and gchchhy .— police gone soft on crime? and more generally , is— police gone soft on crime? and more generally , is social more generally, is social chccchcc— more generally, is social disorder such— more generally, is social disorder such as the disruptions ccucch— disorder such as the disruptions ccucch hy— disorder such as the disruptions caused by hcc— disorder such as the disruptions caused by just stop oil being encouraged— caused by just stop oil being chccuhgch hy— caused by just stop oil being encouraged by a— caused by just stop oil being encouraged by a soft approach hom— encouraged by a soft approach from he— encouraged by a soft approach from the police— encouraged by a soft approach from the police ?_ encouraged by a soft approach from the police ? joining me now from the police? joining me now .hchhg— from the police? joining me now . joining che— from the police? joining me now . joining me how— from the police? joining me now . joining me now on my dualists hchhcch— . joining me now on my dualists political commentator emma webb and cc—hcwhhcc— political commentator emma webb and co—founder of— political commentator emma webb and co—founder of novara media , and co—founder of novara media, aach— and co—founder of novara media, accch hcccchh— and co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. aaron, first let me— aaron bastani. aaron, first let me ach— aaron bastani. aaron, first let me ask wow— aaron bastani. aaron, first let me ask you, what— aaron bastani. aaron, first let me ask you, what do you think of my view— me ask you, what do you think of my ch— me ask you, what do you think of my cm yucc— me ask you, what do you think of my view on just stop oil and roger— my view on just stop oil and roger hchcm— my view on just stop oil and roger hallam i— my view on just stop oil and roger hallam i disagree with ch— roger hallam i disagree with of h.— roger hallam i disagree with some of it. well,— roger hallam i disagree with some of it. well, let's start with— some of it. well, let's start whh whac— some of it. well, let's start with what you— some of it. well, let's start with what you agree on. let's get— with what you agree on. let's get che— with what you agree on. let's get the common _ with what you agree on. let's get the common ground. i think roger— get the common ground. i think hcgch hcucm— get the common ground. i think roger hallam is clearly i've met roger hallam is clearly i've met roger hallam, i've interviewed him. he's a very intelligent, interesting man . but him. he's a very intelligent, interesting man. but i think you could i think i think he would say he's an eccentric. what i

find really interesting with him, though, is that he was a farmer. he was a smallholder farmer. he was a smallholder farmer in wales and he was radicalised by successive failures of his crops, basically extreme weather events. a extreme weather events. now, a sceptic say those have sceptic might say those have always happened. that's to always happened. that's not to do change. but in do with climate change. but in any that's what radicalised do with climate change. but in any and that's what radicalised do with climate change. but in any and ihat's what radicalised do with climate change. but in any and i foundvhat radicalised do with climate change. but in any and i found that radicalised do with climate change. but in any and i found that really.ised him and i found that really fascinating. know, we don't fascinating. you know, we don't really farmers who are really associate farmers who are people radicalised people who become radicalised and i wonder if that'll happen more terms of their more and more in terms of their their protests. i mean, jacob rees—mogg said something really interesting in interesting the other day in regards to just stop oil, he said, extinction rebellion. said, or extinction rebellion. when have 50,000 people in when you have 50,000 people in central london, can shut central london, they can shut down traffic because there's almost utilitarian almost like a utilitarian argument there. know, you argument there. you know, you are trying to make a point and there's many you that i there's that many of you that i can understand the proportionality of it. but when it's 12 or 15 people, i just don't that's right. i don't think that's right. i completely disagree with it. and it novel argument, and it was a novel argument, and i thought it was really, really interesting. that interesting. i would say that direct action always been a direct action has always been a part democracy in this part of democracy in this country, for last country, really for the last century. that doesn't mean that every action group gets

every direct action group gets it right they're virtuous or it right or they're virtuous or they're think they're correct. but i do think there be balance in there needs to be a balance in terms what rights we do want terms of what rights we do want to uphold here. i'll finish with this. i don't agree with fox hunting. instance, somebody hunting. for instance, somebody like does agree like jacob rees—mogg does agree with if there with fox hunting. and if there was action similar to was direct action similar to this who wants to this by people who wants to bnng this by people who wants to bring fox hunting, bring back fox hunting, i wouldn't want them to go to prison. be prison. i would want them to be disincentivized. perhaps or channel energy into channel that energy back into democratic system. but i'm worried punitive worried if we're too punitive with these guys. okay. and emma, so with these guys. okay. and emma, cc h— with these guys. okay. and emma, cc h comm— with these guys. okay. and emma, so it sounds like— with these guys. okay. and emma, so it sounds like roger— gs okay. and emma, so it sounds like roger hallam gs okay. and emma, so itlooking like roger hallam gs okay. and emma, so itlooking fore roger hallam gs okay. and emma, so itlooking for someone allam gs okay. and emma, so itlooking for someone to am gs okay. and emma, so itlooking for someone to blame was looking for someone to blame or was looking for someone to blame cc—cc— was looking for someone to blame cc—cc hhcmc— was looking for someone to blame cc—cc hhcmc hm- was looking for someone to blame or_to blame for his- or something to blame for his much— or something to blame for his failed-ventures- or something to blame for his failed ventures and failed farming ventures and chose— failed farming ventures and chose-blame— failed farming ventures and chose blame climate chose to blame the climate crisis— chose to blame the climate crisis government . should crisis or the government. should he he— crisis or the government. should he he hcchmg— crisis or the government. should he be looking at— crisis or the government. should he be looking at more democratic cwccc— he be looking at more democratic cwccc cc— he be looking at more democratic routes to protest?— he be looking at more democratic routes to protest? i— he be looking at more democratic routes to protest? i mean, he has— routes to protest? i mean, he has a— routes to protest? i mean, he has a political— routes to protest? i mean, he has a political party has a political for party gcchmccc— has a political for party- goodness—that's has a political for party- goodness_that's the goodness sake. well, that's the thing, isn't it? about a lot of the climate change cause? and net is that it's not net zero is that it's not something democratically something that is democratically mandated. mentioned farmers mandated. you mentioned farmers . farmers the . well, farmers in the netherlands are fighting keep netherlands are fighting to keep hold because of hold of their land because of draconian climate policies that are imposed dutch are being imposed by the dutch government take their government to take their land away so think away from them. so i think i mean, yes, i think if they

really were serious about getting political consent for the demands they're making, the demands that they're making, and clear as that and let's be clear as well that very often saw actually very often as we saw actually with plummer she was with phoebe plummer when she was being interviewed by jacob rees—mogg , it was very clear rees—mogg, it was very clear that she just kept saying, well, i'm not a scientist. i don't have to come up with the policy. so they're very so they're being they're very vague what they want. they vague about what they want. they want the adults in the room to stop but they're stop climate change, but they're not about exactly not very clear about exactly what that they what they what it is that they what they what it is that they what they what want specifically in what they want specifically in order achieve that. if order to achieve that. and if they having play as part they were having to play as part of democratic system and not of the democratic system and not by just, walking by just, you know, walking in front their front of cars and stomping their feet and making demands and being hysterical, then they might have think being hysterical, then they mightmaterialhave think being hysterical, then they might material policiesthink being hysterical, then they might material policies and: being hysterical, then they might material policies and what about material policies and what might actually work. and i think that they would find that when the are exposed the british public are exposed to what it means to try and reach net zero, they would find that there isn't consent for that there isn't consent for that because it's it's that because it's going it's they're anti—human policies that are necessary. and think that are necessary. and i think that the public wouldn't support that if they realise what impact it would on lives. this would have on their lives. this

is why i think it's a cult,- is why i think it's a cult, hcccwcc— is why i think it's a cult, because they— is why i think it's a cult, because they don't know the arguments.— because they don't know the arguments. don't know the arguments. they don't know the science. _these i science. they just have these cchhmg— science. they just have these cchhmg pcmcc— science. they just have these talking points that they've been ccchgmch — assigned from their leader. yeah— assigned from their leader. yeah-c— assigned from their leader. hem-h pcmc— assigned from their leader. yeah,-a point-has. assigned from their leader. i yeah,-a point-has been yeah, it's a point that has been made by people who are experts in extremism there there is in extremism that there there is a concern that some of a genuine concern that some of these eco movements go in these eco movements could go in these eco movements could go in the of eco terrorism, the direction of eco terrorism, because you believe your because if you believe that your objectives so important that objectives are so important that it's okay to vandalise things like artwork, to damage property , to put people's lives at risk as they actually have done by preventing ambulances from getting through and that kind of thing. if you believe that your cause is so important that the end of the world is nigh, then it does open the door for the potential , you if you potential of, you know, if you really believe that world really do believe that the world is to if nothing is is going to end, if nothing is done about this, what would stop you from from trying to get your message really . message across? nothing really. that's concerns me, aaron, that's what concerns me, aaron, hcccwcc— that's what concerns me, aaron,| hcccwcc—wchh because they do think the world is because they do think the world hc-hmmmcm— because they do think the world h-hmmmcm .— because they do think the world is-imminent . and- because they do think the world is imminent . and so they is ending imminent. and so they are is ending imminent. and so they whhmg— is ending imminent. and so they whhmg cc— is ending imminent. and so they are willing to drastic are willing to take drastic measures. but— are willing to take drastic measures. but it's the police's response measures that response to their measures that i'm response to their measures that m —amh-

response to their measures that h-m—amh h-cl i'm concerned about. and it's moc— i'm concerned about. and it's how yucc— i'm concerned about. and it's mcc just yucc— i'm concerned about. and it's mcc just just a— i'm concerned about. and it's not just just a point. i mentioned— not just just a point. i mentioned maisie, this tiktoker who-c— who's been going around ccmchcmg— who's been going around terrorism-.- who's been going around terrorising , everyday terrorising people, everyday people,— terrorising people, everyday hccmc, ycw — terrorising people, everyday people, you know , invading people, you know, invading pccmc-c— people, you know, invading people's homes— people, you know, invading people's homes , raiding primark, people's homes, raiding primark, where— people's homes, raiding primark, whccc mome— people's homes, raiding primark, where people are— people's homes, raiding primark, where people are just trying to wow— where people are just trying to wow cc— where people are just trying to work or chop— where people are just trying to work or shop like— where people are just trying to work or shop like and the result is chm— work or shop like and the result is chm che— work or shop like and the result is that the police— work or shop like and the result is that the police say, oh, no, no, no, no, and then get gets hack— no, no, no, and then get gets hcch cm— no, no, no, and then get gets heck ch ch— no, no, no, and then get gets back out on bail— no, no, no, and then get gets back out on bail does it again. the— back out on bail does it again. the camc— back out on bail does it again. the same with— back out on bail does it again. the same with phoebe as the same with— the same with phoebe as the same whh—hchcc— the same with phoebe as the same with—police aren't- with missy. the police aren't many— with missy. the police aren't really clamping— with missy. the police aren't really clamping crime really clamping down on crime mymcm-chcyc— really clamping down on crime anymore,-they? i- really clamping down on crime anymore, they? i find missy anymore, are they? i find missy ccwchy— anymore, are they? i find missy ccmchy mc— anymore, are they? i find missy actually more-a— anymore, are they? i find missy actually more a terror to the actually more of a terror to the hwhhc— actually more of a terror to the cuhhc chm— actually more of a terror to the public than phoebe plummer. ' z public than phoebe plummer. and i public than phoebe plummer. and hchmh— public than phoebe plummer. and i think somebody— public than phoebe plummer. and i think somebody like— public than phoebe plummer. and i think somebody like phoebe plummer, you can agree or disagree with her. your audience may disagree with her, i may disagree with her, but i think it's perfectly plausible that they'll very that in five years they'll very much with her. she might much agree with her. she might not she'll be not do this anymore. she'll be very productive of very productive member of society, contributing . society, really contributing. what i find missy doing and she believes doing believes in what she's doing right. all believe in right. and we all believe in things that we do other things that we do and other people disagree. and that's just how society works, right? people disagree. and that's just how i society works, right? people disagree. and that's just how i socilike norks, right? people disagree. and that's just how i socilike norksmissy ? people disagree. and that's just how i socilike norksmissy is what i don't like with missy is this to it. the this nihilism to it. the complete absence of actually believing anything, which i think profound problem for think is a profound problem for us society more generally . us as a society more generally. i pose you

i suppose i'd pose you a question. do you think question. what do you think should happen to it sounds should happen to him? it sounds to me like you think he should serve time, but then i serve prison time, but then i wonder long and what kind of wonder how long and what kind of terms looking at? he is terms are we looking at? he is anti antisocial. i think- g 3.7 he is anti antisocial. i think he's ccwcmg— anti antisocial. i think he's causing terror— anti antisocial. i think he's causing terror on the streets of hcmhcm— causing terror on the streets of hcmhcm .— causing terror on the streets of hcmhcm h-hc— causing terror on the streets of london. i he should be london. i think he should be hcchcc— london. i think he should be hcchcc-c— london. i think he should be locked-a few- london. i think he should be locked a few years until locked up for a few years until he-up_ locked up for a few years until hc-wh cha— locked up for a few years until. he-up and-should he grows up and then he should be he grows up and then he should hc-hcch— he grows up and then he should hc-hcch cm— he grows up and then he should be-back out on- he grows up and then he should be-back out on the- be released back out on the sweets. — be released back out on the streets. _what - be released back out on the streets. _what do - be released back out on the- streets.-what do .think, streets. then what do you think, hmmcc— streets. then what do you think, hmmcc h— streets. then what do you think, emma? i actually— streets. then what do you think, emma? i actually agree with you chm— emma? i actually agree with you chm-h— emma? i actually agree with you that-is something- that there is something nihilistic_ nihilistic about what missy has ccmc. —hc— nihilistic about what missy has chm—he hm- nihilistic about what missy has done—he has and. done. but what he has and i don't i don't buy the idea that this is some kind of performance art that using to expose art that he's using to expose the expose the flaws the the expose the flaws in the policing he has policing system. but he has actually the way in actually exposed the way in which police are solved. so which the police are solved. so i think protest issue is i think the protest issue is separate because we a separate because we do have a protest bill that has gone through parliament that is draconian. i think there draconian. and i think there are huge problems it. so we do huge problems with it. so we do need protect people's freedom huge problems with it. so we do he speechrotect people's freedom huge problems with it. so we do he speechrotectheirple's freedom huge problems with it. so we do he speechrotectheir rightfreedom huge problems with it. so we do he speechrotectheir right to edom of speech and their right to protest. think the concern protest. i think the concern when comes to protests when it comes to the protests is, is this two tier policing where certain progressive causes is, is this two tier policing wheah certain progressive causes is, is this two tier policing whea lightiin progressive causes is, is this two tier policing whea light touch,]ressive causes is, is this two tier policing whea light touch, whereas:auses get a light touch, whereas others a heavy hand others get a very heavy hand with missy, this is different. his situation sort of highlights

something else about the police, and i think it shows the way in which and i'm sure many people will have seen the footage of police officers trying to wrestle people. i think it was at a bus stop and there and those police officers are actually in danger themselves. they're put in harm's way probably. haven't been probably. they haven't been trained standards of trained correctly standards of policing, but there is a problem with of policing. with the standard of policing. i think responsible for think it's responsible for the decline the british decline in trust of the british pubucin decline in trust of the british public in the police, because they see that the police don't seem to be able to do their job, seem to be able to do theirjob, but also can't. it's almost but they also can't. it's almost as if they don't the leadership of the police force don't seem to want the police to be doing the things that the police are supposed to have as their bread and butter, like solving crimes, burglaries, that kind of thing. because small things, because it's those small things, those aspects of social those small aspects of social disorder that when you get to the of like upper echelons, the sort of like upper echelons, it on effect. and it has a knock on effect. and i think mises having gotten away with it with a fine, by the way , that was so small that it was

probably covered by the fees that he got from doing interviews about it. you sweat the man— interviews about it. you sweat the small stuff.— interviews about it. you sweat the small stuff. you- . you sweat the small stuff. you don't get to the small stuff. you don't get cc-hhg— the small stuff. you don't get to big absolutely. to the big stuff. absolutely. amh— to the big stuff. absolutely. m h— to the big stuff. absolutely. m h hmc— to the big stuff. absolutely. and | find it— to the big stuff. absolutely. and i find it fascinating how mccwcw— and i find it fascinating how mccwcm che— and i find it fascinating how nervous the police when nervous the police were when they— nervous the police were whenj chcy—hhcc they were talking to me. that chcwc— they were talking to me. that chcwc chm— they were talking to me. that shows that the _ they were talking to me. that shows that the power structure is shows that the power structure h which— shows that the power structure is upside down.— shows that the power structure is upside down. but anyway, chec— is upside down. but anyway, there—wac- is upside down. but anyway,i there—was emma is upside down. but anyway,- there _was emma webb there we are. that was emma webb and warm— there we are. that was emma webb and aaron bastani,_ there we are. that was emma webb and aaron bastani, duellists. and aaron bastani, my duellists. hhcmh— and aaron bastani, my duellists. hhcmh-wccy— and aaron bastani, my duellists. thank-very much.- and aaron bastani, my duellists. thank very much. plenty more thank you very much. plenty more to thank you very much. plenty more cc-chcmccm— thank you very much. plenty more cc-chcmccmlmy- to come this afternoon on my common-crusade.- to come this afternoon on my- common-crusade.-we'll common sense crusade. next we'll be common sense crusade. next we'll hc-whh— common sense crusade. next we'll hc-whh c— common sense crusade. next we'll be-with a christian- be speaking with a christian hccccc— be speaking with a christian hccccc-hhc- be speaking with a christian. doctor-his-the doctor who lost his job at the hccchmcm— doctor who lost his job at the department for— doctor who lost his job at the department for and pensions department for work and pensions cchccmccc— department for work and pensions over-stance against— over his stance against wcmcgcmccc— over his stance against transgender pronouns. he ccccmwy— recently was vindicated by the ccmcmh— general medical council and is planning— general medical council and is chcmmglccccch— general medical council and is planning appeal to the echr planning to appeal to the echr for planning to appeal to the echr hcc c— planning to appeal to the echr hcc c mhmg— planning to appeal to the echr for a ruling on— planning to appeal to the echr for a ruling on his— planning to appeal to the echr for a ruling on his case. this on for a ruling on his case. this cm haw— for a ruling on his case. this on mark dolan_ for a ruling on his case. this on mark dolan tonight, in my big cmmcm— on mark dolan tonight, in my big opinion-reflections- on mark dolan tonight, in my big opinion reflections boris opinion, my reflections on boris ychmccm-c— opinion, my reflections on boris johnson's departure a talented but johnson's departure a talented hm hcwcc— johnson's departure a talented but flawed character. ”cszzhthx but flawed character. his report card— but flawed character. his report cam is— but flawed character. his report cam is c— but flawed character. his report card is a mixed one. so overall, is it a thumbs up or thumbs down? find out at nine. in my take at ten, you don't have to wait for the judge. i'll be giving my verdict on prince harry's needless war against the british press. does donald trump really face a hundred years in jail? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, kinsey schofield. live from the united states. tv

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action being taken with a view to removing or restricting his ccghchchcm— to removing or restricting his registration. so— to removing or restricting his registration. so joining me now to registration. so joining me now cc chccwcc— registration. so joining me now to discuss this— registration. so joining me now to discuss this is— registration. so joining me now to discuss this is the man hhmccht— to discuss this is the man himself, dr.— to discuss this is the man himself, dr. david mackereth. dr. mackereth,_ himself, dr. david mackereth. dr. mackereth, thank you very much— dr. mackereth, thank you very much ccm— dr. mackereth, thank you very much for joining— dr. mackereth, thank you very much forjoining us. can we much for joining us. can we mcm— much for joining us. can we mcm ch— much for joining us. can we mcm ch hy— much for joining us. can we start off by just— much for joining us. can we start off by just laying it out merch— start off by just laying it out there? what— start off by just laying it out there? what the _ start off by just laying it out there? what the dwp claims you ccmmc— there? what the dwp claims you ccchgmcc mcm — there? what the dwp claims you resigned from your— there? what the dwp claims you resigned from your post for and did resigned from your post for and cm ycw— resigned from your post for and cm ycu ccmm— resigned from your post for and did you resign or— resigned from your post for and did you resign or did you lose ycw— did you resign or did you lose ycw job— did you resign or did you lose yourjob another— did you resign or did you lose your job another way ? well, i'm your job another way? well, i'm qwhc— your job another way? well, i'm quhc ccmcm— your job another way? well, i'm quite certain calvin and it's an chcchwcc— quite certain calvin and it's an absolute pleasure— quite certain calvin and it's an absolute pleasure to meet you, by he— absolute pleasure to meet you, by me why.— absolute pleasure to meet you, by me wcy. hm— absolute pleasure to meet you, by the way, but i'm quite ccmcm— by the way, but i'm quite certain that— by the way, but i'm quite certain that i— by the way, but i'm quite certain that i didn't jump. i pushch— certain that i didn't jump. i was pushed that— certain that i didn't jump. i was pushed that i- certain that i didn't jump. i was pushed that i was- certain that i didn't jump. i was pushed that i was fired. but we're all agreed that the for department work and pensions said that because of my refusal to use transgender pronouns , i to use transgender pronouns, i was unfit to do the job. uh, my maintenance is that i was a good doctor. i was fit to do the job. and that what i was saying was said in good conscience. and from a christian conscience. and of that to court of course that to led court cases. it's of course that to led court cases . it's shocking to me that cases. it's shocking to me that they— cases. it's shocking to me that chcy cmchw— cases. it's shocking to me that they somehow seem- f it's shocking to me that they somehow seem to presume chm— they somehow seem to presume chm ycw— they somehow seem to presume chm ycw hcwc— they somehow seem to presume that you have to— they somehow seem to presume that you have to have compelled chccch— that you have to have compelled ccccch m— that you have to have compelled speech in order— that you have to have compelled speech in order to— that you have to have compelled speech in order to do your job as speech in order to do yourjob cc c cccccc— speech in order to do yourjob cc c cccccc .— speech in order to do yourjob as a doctor. how— speech in order to do yourjob as a doctor . how does that as a doctor. how does that ccmc— as a doctor. how does that cchccc cc— as a doctor. how does that relate to you— as a doctor. how does that relate to you in- as a doctor. how does that relate to you in your day to day wcwc—

relate to you in your day to day wcwc hcw— relate to you in your day to day work? how would _ relate to you in your day to day work? how would it affect you? mew,— work? how would it affect you? went ccmm— work? how would it affect you? went cgcm .— work? how would it affect you? well, again , the— work? how would it affect you? well, again , the thing there was well, again, the thing there was chm— well, again, the thing there was chm chcy— well, again, the thing there was chm chcy — well, again, the thing there was that they were prepared to say for that they were prepared to say hcc chc— that they were prepared to say hcc chc sche— that they were prepared to say for the sake of— that they were prepared to say for the sake of a— that they were prepared to say for the sake of a single pronoun chm— for the sake of a single pronoun chm .— for the sake of a single pronoun chm h wcch-c— for the sake of a single pronoun that i wasn't really— for the sake of a single pronoun that i wasn't really fit to work as that i wasn't really fit to work cc c ccccch — that i wasn't really fit to work as a doctor. now— that i wasn't really fit to work as a doctor. now in- that i wasn't really fit to work as a doctor. wiry 1“ as a doctor. now in my previous work in accident and emergency and my subsequent work, we're saving people every day. and their lives. and it's really that's just that's not even considered to be relevant compared to the fact that somebody might get the wrong pronoun at some point. there was a small of that a very small risk of that happening the time, but happening at the time, but essentially concerned essentially so concerned were they somebody might they that somebody might be offended my that all offended by my actions, that all offended by my actions, that all of experience, all of my of my experience, all of my years as doctor counted for years as a doctor counted for nothing christian nothing and my christian conscience nothing. conscience counted for nothing. and the most . and that bothered me the most. that's the crux of the matter, chccch— that's the crux of the matter, chccch hcm-c— that's the crux of the matter, though, isn't it,— that's the crux of the matter, though, isn't it, that they might— though, isn't it, that theyi might—ycw might be offended by your chhchcm— might be offended by your christian faith— might be offended by your christian faith it's your christian faith and it's your hchh— christian faith and it's your hchh-ycc— christian faith and it's your faith .you had- christian faith and it's your faith you had hearing to by faith that you had hearing to by not faith that you had hearing to by mcc—whh— faith that you had hearing to by not—with their- not going along with their ccmcchcc— not going along with their compelled-? - not going along with their compelled ? “his not going along with their- compelled-? yes. and this compelled speech? yes. and this this is this is where the court case is really were concerning. and the court cases were me taking government court taking the government to court over the issue of pronouns. the first that because first case ruled that because i didn't believe in transgender ideology extension, we

ideology and by extension, we all have to believe in transgender ideology . we transgender ideology. we therefore didn't have any case to stand that transgender ideology must be believed and acted upon by every doctor, nurse or whoever. the second court case said, no, no, that was wrong. i'm entitled to be a christian. i'm entitled to believe that it's a lie to use a transgender pronoun and i'm entitled to say that i'm not going to. but they went on to say that equality the say that the equality the equalities didn't protect equalities act didn't protect me. i would argue we're me. now, i would argue we're christians as of us. we're christians, as lots of us. we're still here. we've been here for a long time. we're not a very long time. we're not going but the going anywhere. but if the equalities act protect the equalities act can't protect the christian equalities act can't protect the christia anything . and that's protect anything. and that's that's my concern , that the that's my concern, that the equalities act has to protect everybody. of course, we're in a situation where we have a conflict of views and interests. so i think this is a really important battle to fight, and that's why we're taking it to the european court of human rights and what do you hope to achieve echr? well, achieve from the echr? well, i hopei achieve from the echr? well, i hope i hope that the european court of human rights i'm going there with the christian legal

centre , and i'm hoping that they centre, and i'm hoping that they will say that a free will say that you have a free conscience. you're free to believe, necessarily what i believe, not necessarily what i believe, not necessarily what i believe other people are able to believe other people are able to believe they believe. and believe what they believe. and i'm as well that i'm to free act as well that nobody compel me speak in nobody can compel me to speak in a way that no can a certain way that no one can compel to what i believe compel me to do what i believe is fundamentally a lie. so i'm hoping that the european court of rights will uphold of human rights will uphold freedom speech freedom freedom of speech and freedom from speech , freedom from false speech, freedom to believe freedom to act. as believe and freedom to act. as a doctor, do you feel that as a doctor, do you feel that your chhchcm— doctor, do you feel that your christian faith— doctor, do you feel that your christian faith is— doctor, do you feel that your christian faith is in conflict with— christian faith is in conflict with science,— christian faith is in conflict with science, or— christian faith is in conflict with science, or is this in ccmhcc— with science, or is this in conflict with _ with science, or is this in conflict with another set of much— conflict with another set of beliefs which _ conflict with another set of beliefs which you have called the—weill beliefs which you have called. chc—wen. h-wc the gender ideology? well, i've reh— the gender ideology? well, i've never felt that _ the gender ideology? well, i've never felt that my— the gender ideology? well, i've never felt that my christian fchh — never felt that my christian fchh-h— never felt that my christian faith .in conflict- faith was in conflict with science i all. - faith was in conflict with science all. :ritr faith was in conflict with- sciencelall. butl do i do science at all. but i do i do believe that science and theology combined when they say that it's impossible for a human being to change sex. so um, and i think that the medical profession has a duty to say that to its patients . sound that to its patients. sound medical care, proper medical care begins with truth. if we care begins with truth. if we care about our patients. and most of the doctors i work with do, we can't start from a

foundation which is which is not sustainable philosophically , sustainable philosophically, logically, theologically, scientifically . we have to start scientifically. we have to start with the truth. and whatever that truth is, then that is how we must present ourselves to our patients. to me, that is the mark of a caring doctor. it's not the mark of a caring profession when we simply go along with what is not scientific, a pure scientific, but is a pure ideology. idea that there ideology. the idea that there might be genders, the idea might be 150 genders, the idea that should each that we should each have pronouns choosing , pronouns of our own choosing, the idea that could be a cat and you'd have to treat me as a cat . you laugh, but that's happening— . you laugh, but that's happening in- you laugh, but that's happening in a school, right hhccc-c— happening in a school, right now. there's a— happening in a school, right now. there's a young that's now. there's a young girl that's hccmhhcc— now. there's a young girl that's hccmhhcclc— now. there's a young girl that's identified-a cat— now. there's a young girl that's identified a cat and the identified as a cat and the cccchccc— identified as a cat and the teachers having to tell the teachers are having to tell the hcyc— teachers are having to tell the hcyc-hcwhc- teachers are having to tell the boys-barking at- teachers are having to tell the boys barking at her. boys to stop barking at her. were— boys to stop barking at her. wchc going— boys to stop barking at her. we're going crazy. but dr. david wcccc— we're going crazy. but dr. david macara,-so much- we're going crazy. but dr. david macara, so much for macara, thank you so much for ycw— macara, thank you so much for your- sense. that's. macara, thank you so much for- your-sense. that's right. your common sense. that's right. and— your common sense. that's right. and with a girl just and i speaking with a girl just a ago said she's about a month ago who said she's about to marry a man who identifies as a pig. i can't. can't. a pig. i can't. ijust can't. let's let's let's cut to the bone on this. let's go right to the of this and this, the core of this and say this, that gender ideology combined with build better that sort with build back better that sort of things of stuff, these things coming together, are causing

together, i believe are causing our disintegrate. our society to disintegrate. i don't our society to disintegrate. i dont you our society to disintegrate. i don't you can have a don't believe you can have a scientific, technical, professional, medical profession which lie to which practises a lie just to keep some of political keep some kind of political ideology these issues ideology alive. so these issues are really, really important . are really, really important. you understand the situation with joshua sutcliffe where he lost his he was struck off as a teacher in two and a half years. he might have used a wrong pronoun. he's a fantastic guy fighting the good fight and so are you sure ? and unfortunately, are you sure? and unfortunately, hmct— are you sure? and unfortunately, hmc. hmc— are you sure? and unfortunately, hmc. hmc hcc— are you sure? and unfortunately, time, time has come— are you sure? and unfortunately, time, time has come to- chit ”rit7’ and unfortunately, time, time has come to an shit hit7’ and unfortunately, time, time has come to an end. hm— time, time has come to an end. hm chcmh— time, time has come to an end. hm chcmh ycc— time, time has come to an end. but thank you so— time, time has come to an end. but thank you so much for what ycchc— but thank you so much for what ycc-c doing-— but thank you so much for what ycc-c cchc. vcc— but thank you so much for what you're doing. you have my full ccmcm.— you're doing. you have my full ccmcm-hicc— you're doing. you have my full support. bless you. now, in support. god bless you. now, in a support. god bless you. now, in c cccccmcm— support. god bless you. now, in a statement-gb— support. god bless you. now, in a statement gb news, a dwp a statement to gb news, a dwp chchccmcm— a statement to gb news, a dwp spokesman mackereth spokesman said dr. mackereth ccmmc—ml resigned from his post. dr. hcchcccch— resigned from his post. dr. mackereth brought a claim in the cmchcymcm—wccl employment tribunal which was chcmhcccc— employment tribunal which was dismissed and— employment tribunal which was dismissed and this decision was cchcccccmhy— dismissed and this decision was subsequently upheld on appeal. joining— subsequently upheld on appeal. joining mc— subsequently upheld on appeal. joining mc mcw— subsequently upheld on appeal. joining me now are my dualists cc—fccmccc— joining me now are my dualists cc—hccmccc ch— joining me now are my dualists co—founder of novara media, ccmcm— co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani— co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani and political cchhcch— aaron bastani and political political commentator emma webb . hcccm— political commentator emma webb . hcccm wc hcyc— political commentator emma webb . aaron we have a— political commentator emma webb . aaron we have a conflict of hchcfc— . aaron we have a conflict of beliefs here. _ . aaron we have a conflict of beliefs here. yep,— . aaron we have a conflict of beliefs here. yep, yep. christianity— beliefs here. yep, yep. christianity versus gender hccchccy— christianity versus gender ideology should it matter which one someone subscribes to? if

they-cc— one someone subscribes to? if they're treating _ one someone subscribes to? if they're treating someone's hcchhc— they're treating someone's hcchhc .— they're treating someone's health? i find— they're treating someone's health? i find this hugely, hccchy— health? i find this hugely, hugely fascinating. ' “: health? i find this hugely, hugely fascinating. : hit hugely fascinating. and you're ham. — hugely fascinating. and you're ham. h-wc— hugely fascinating. and you're right. i've said this before. we have to understand this as a civil liberties issue and conflicting civil liberties like, say, freedom of religious worship and wishing to identify as a certain gender what i don't understand is this doesn't seem to me that it qualitatively impacts his ability to do his job. now, if you were discriminated against somebody because they were gay and you said, i'm not going to treat you as a because you're as a gp because you're homosexual, that clearly undermines do undermines your ability to do yourjob in this instance, it's unclear to me it undermines unclear to me how it undermines his job and his ability to do his job and what makes this even stranger. i disagree by the way. i disagree with him, by the way. i think you should just it's called bedside manner. in that game. able to game. you should just be able to make person feel comfortable make the person feel comfortable and don't to and at ease. you don't have to agree with them. you don't even have them. that's a job have to like them. that's a job of doctor. but anyway, park of a doctor. but anyway, park that i quite understand that i don't quite understand this whole because it this whole story because it wasn't something that wasn't actually something that happened job. it happened in his job. it was something where in abstraction it in it was being discussed in a training something like this. training or something like this. and says, well, wouldn't do

and he says, well, i wouldn't do it. then all of a sudden it. and then all of a sudden this has happened. it's not there's real episode there's a real world episode where he's had where it's emerged and he's had some a fight. i imagine some sort of a fight. i imagine if happen with a trans if it did happen with a trans person he used the wrong person and he used the wrong pronoun and he helped them, i think a normal person would just 90, think a normal person would just go, and with their go, idiot and get on with their day. got to that day. so fritz have got to that level. i think it's shame level. i think it's a shame because we don't have enough doctors this country right doctors in this country right now it and i think if you now as it is. and i think if you start to jettison them on the bafis start to jettison them on the basis their their personal basis of their their personal beliefs, but i, beliefs, it's a problem. but i, i should probably i think he should probably practise just swallow practise and just swallow this particular probably particular issue. we probably disagree okay and emma, disagree on that. okay and emma, is just disagree on that. okay and emma, hc-iccc mc— disagree on that. okay and emma, is-just more rising— is this just more rising christophobia? chit“ . is this just more rising christophobia? r:ritr“ . e is this just more rising- christophobia? i don't like the term christophobia i don't like the i don't we shouldn't we shouldn't be falling into using the term weapons against. but i do think that there is growing anti—christian sentiment to and even growing, think even say it's growing, i think it's growing very, it's been growing for a very, very time. the issue here very long time. the issue here is, even more general than is, is even more general than that. an issue of freedom that. it's an issue of freedom of conscience. and don't agree of conscience. and i don't agree that think the equality that i don't think the equality act designed should act is designed for or should protect the christian faith or

any faith because that's that's i think that would be a poisonous use of legislation . poisonous use of legislation. but i do i do think that there is a there is a real growing anti—christian sentiment. and this is this is a perfect example of, as you were saying, calvin, that clash and it is hypothetical clash between one ideology and another, a new religion. and the old one. yeah. thank you very much. religion. and the old one. - yeah. thank you very much. that hccrcm — yeah. thank you very much. that was bastani and— yeah. thank you very much. that was bastani and emma webb, my cucum— was bastani and emma webb, my cccchcc cccmcy— was bastani and emma webb, my duellist plenty more to come chic— duellist plenty more to come rhhc cwcmmc— duellist plenty more to come this evening on— duellist plenty more to come this evening on my common sense cmcccc— this evening on my common sense cmcccclwcwt— this evening on my common sense crusade next, speaking crusade. next, we'll be speaking chcm— crusade. next, we'll be speaking chcm-hhcc— crusade. next, we'll be speaking about-pride day- crusade. next, we'll be speaking about pride day event at about a drag pride day event at about a drag pride day event at c cchcch— about a drag pride day event at c cchcch rhcr— about a drag pride day event at a school that was— about a drag pride day event at a school that was cancelled

people head to tric dawg .uk now and place your vote. wouldn't it be fun . welcome t“ welcome back to the be fun. welcome back to the common sense— t“ welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend— common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin— common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson on ycw— the reverend calvin robinson on ycw hw— the reverend calvin robinson on ycw rv cmhc— the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and— the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your whchccc— your tv online and on your wireless times— your tv online and on your wireless times columnist juliet ccmcch— wireless times columnist juliet ccmcchwrcrc— wireless times columnist juliet samuel wrote this week that cmchchcmcc— samuel wrote this week that smartphones should be banned for under— smartphones should be banned for under rc— smartphones should be banned for under rc cc— smartphones should be banned for under 16 to help— smartphones should be banned for

under 16 to help tackle the mcmch— under 16 to help tackle the mental health _ under 16 to help tackle the mental health crisis in young cccchc— mental health crisis in young cccccc. rc— mental health crisis in young cccccc. rc chic— mental health crisis in young people. is this radical measure mcccccccy cc— people. is this radical measure necessary to help— people. is this radical measure necessary to help our young people?_ necessary to help our young people? meanwhile, a school in hcrhychhc— people? meanwhile, a school in derbyshire has— people? meanwhile, a school in derbyshire has cancelled a pride day derbyshire has cancelled a pride ccy cwcm— derbyshire has cancelled a pride day event where _ derbyshire has cancelled a pride day event where it— derbyshire has cancelled a pride day event where it invited chhcrcm— day event where it invited children to _ day event where it invited children to dress in drag after receiving— children to dress in drag after receiving complaints. so should cchccrc— receiving complaints. so should cchcchc hc— receiving complaints. so should schools be hosting politicised ccmc— schools be hosting politicised ccmc hhc— schools be hosting politicised events like this?— schools be hosting politicised events like this? i'm now joined to events like this? i'm now joined cc chccccc— events like this? i'm now joined to discuss these— events like this? i'm now joined to discuss these stories by the hccc— to discuss these stories by the head teacher— to discuss these stories by the head teacher of— to discuss these stories by the head teacher of ascot, christine ccmmh— head teacher of ascot, christine ccmmh .— head teacher of ascot, christine ccmmh . ccc-c— head teacher of ascot, christine conniff . let's start— head teacher of ascot, christine conniff . let's start with the conniff. let's start with the chcmc— conniff. let's start with the chcmc ccccy. — conniff. let's start with the phone story. christine what do you— phone story. christine what do ycc rhhh— phone story. christine what do ycc chhh cf— phone story. christine what do you think of this— phone story. christine what do you think of this and does your cchcch— you think of this and does your cchcch hcyc— you think of this and does your school have a— you think of this and does your school have a policy on mobile chcmccc— school have a policy on mobile phones? war,— school have a policy on mobile phones? well, i— school have a policy on mobile phones? well, i don't think you ccm— phones? well, i don't think you can ban them. _ phones? well, i don't think you can ban them. i— phones? well, i don't think you can ban them. i think that's absolutely impossible. and it was interesting reading the article and some very interesting ideas as well . and interesting ideas as well. and but something that's not but it's something that's not going to go away. and, in fact, you know, technology and heard about discussions on i in about the discussions on i in the previous show these are things that we're going to have to and just make sure to embrace. and just make sure we're for our children and we're there for our children and try much as try and educate them as much as we to keep them safe. so we we can to keep them safe. so we do. yeah we have policy. we do. yeah we do have a policy. we are a blended learning school, so devices and, you know, so we use devices and, you know, touch wood and i'm going to

touch wood and i'm going to touch don't seem to touch wood. we don't seem to have a problem. have too much of a problem. a lot of that is down to educating children and also alerting parents to the dangers because it a very place. well it is a very scary place. well i've always said to parents that no one the age of 18 needs no one under the age of 18 needs a smartphone because is a smartphone because it is unfiltered access the unfiltered access to the internet. and actually, when a chic—cr- child has a smartphone or any mmc— child has a smartphone or any hmclcmch— child has a smartphone or any kind-smart device- child has a smartphone or any kind smart device their kind of smart device in their ream,— kind of smart device in their bedroom, it's— kind of smart device in their bedroom, it's inviting strangers mc— bedroom, it's inviting strangers into-bedroom.— bedroom, it's inviting strangers into bedroom. and i was into their bedroom. and i was a ccrccccrcmc— into their bedroom. and i was a safeguarding officer, and i'm ccc—cccl sure you can confirm a lot of chic.— sure you can confirm a lot of chic-mccr— sure you can confirm a lot of chic-mccr ch— sure you can confirm a lot of this,-most of the- sure you can confirm a lot of this, most of the abuse, this, that most of the abuse, mccc— this, that most of the abuse, mccc cf— this, that most of the abuse, mccc ch chc— this, that most of the abuse, most of the bullying, most of chc— most of the bullying, most of the inappropriate content hccccmc— the inappropriate content happens because happens on or because of smartphones. _ happens on or because of smartphones. and smartphones. it does. and i think.— smartphones. it does. and i chhh ycc— smartphones. it does. and i think, you know,— smartphones. it does. and i think, you know, parents have got think, you know, parents have ccc c— think, you know, parents have ccc c mhchry— think, you know, parents have got a mighty job— think, you know, parents have got a mighty job today. hitr. got a mighty job today. you hmcw— got a mighty job today. you know, more than— got a mighty job today. you know, more than you- got a mighty job today. you know, more than you know. i'm quite glad my children are in their 20s now because i didn't have any this really. and have any any of this really. and i think it's about parents being aware of the dangers because i don't a lot people don't think a lot of people really understand the dangers that there. and also that are out there. and also being enough your being brave enough to put your foot your children and foot down with your children and actually you've got this actually say you've got this phone. or 8:00 tonight, phone. but at 7 or 8:00 tonight, you are give it to me you are going to give it to me and you can have it back in the

morning. you know, there are dangers. places is being alone with phone in bedroom is with your phone in a bedroom is a place. parents being a dangerous place. parents being hcrcmc— a dangerous place. parents being hcrcmc r— a dangerous place. parents being ccrcmc r hhc— a dangerous place. parents being parents, i like it.— a dangerous place. parents being parents, i like it. what— :g h parents being parents, i like it. what do you say— parents, i like it. what do you ccylhcrcmc— parents, i like it. what do you say-parents who- parents, i like it. what do you say parents who say, look, say to parents who say, look, h-c— say to parents who say, look, h-clcchcry— say to parents who say, look, h-clcchcry-wy- say to parents who say, look, it's safety my child it's a safety issue. my child mcccc— it's a safety issue. my child needs-have— it's a safety issue. my child needs have access to their needs to have access to their chcmc. — needs to have access to their chcmc. rhcy— needs to have access to their phone. they need— needs to have access to their phone. they need to have it on chem— phone. they need to have it on chem-hmcc— phone. they need to have it on them _times,-in- phone. they need to have it on them times, in case them at all times, just in case i them at all times, just in case r-cmccrhhcc— them at all times, just in case i-empathise with- them at all times, just in case i empathise with that. i can empathise with that. i mean, we're in— i can empathise with that. i mean, we're in a— i can empathise with that. i mean, we're in a very- i can empathise with that. i mean, we're in a very dangerous world are world and children are travelling and school travelling to and from school long distances. these things do happen. i mean, there's a horrendous know, horrendous story, you know, just today things that are today about things that are happening in society, our happening in society, in our schools. i get that. but i do believe there's a and place believe there's a time and place for think, you know, for it. i think, you know, children them for children should have them for a safety. i think we all need safety. but i think we all need to be very aware that the online is dangerous. are is very dangerous. children are very well. so they know very savvy as well. so they know about bypassing about vpns and bypassing networks . and it's about us networks. and it's about us working together to make sure we keep everyone safe. children will a way around will always find a way around it, is why i actually it, which is why i actually suggest they shouldn't have a smartphone they need phone smartphone if they need a phone for give a dumb for safety, give them a dumb phone. but on to drag story, phone. but on to the drag story, chhchmc.— phone. but on to the drag story, chhchmc. r-m— phone. but on to the drag story, christine. i'm sure— but on to the drag story, christine. i'm sure this would mcwcrh- ycw- christine. i'm sure this would. never-in your-but never happen in your school, but chec— never happen in your school, but there wcc— never happen in your school, but there waslschool_ never happen in your school, but there was school that was there was a school that was

going— there was a school that was going-promote- there was a school that was going promote full drag day going to promote a full drag day for going to promote a full drag day ccc—ccm— going to promote a full drag day for—come dressed. going to promote a full drag day for come dressed in for everyone to come dressed in huh—r- for everyone to come dressed in huh—r rhhhl full blown drag, which i think is-inappropriate. - is entirely inappropriate. whcr-c— is entirely inappropriate. whcc-c ycw— is entirely inappropriate. what's your take on this? is chic— what's your take on this? is rhhc hc— what's your take on this? is this is there— what's your take on this? is this is there a— what's your take on this? is this is there a place for this mmc— this is there a place for this hmc cf— this is there a place for this kind of political— this is there a place for this kind of political indoctrination this is there a place for this kiischools? cal indoctrination this is there a place for this kiischools? cal ind(rstrination this is there a place for this kiischools? cal ind(rs mil”; ion in schools? this is a very sensitive subject. and i know this is probably going off off topic bit, but all topic a little bit, but all schools have to deliver relationship and sexual education. and education. it's compulsory and there in there are recommendations in there. schools can fail if there. and schools can fail if they don't educate children in they don't educate children in the right way and including our parents as well. you have to consult with parents about what you're teaching. and you're actually teaching. and i've a lot of on the i've seen a lot of this on the news lately that parents don't know to consulted as know you have to be consulted as a if you're not a parent, and if you're not complain, should shown complain, you should be shown the the schemes of the policy in the schemes of work so you know exactly what's going on your school. you can going on in your school. you can be part of that process. us and i encourage people i do encourage people to complain or complain if they're not or there's they're not there's something they're not happy with. being a headteacher is about gauging the is very much about gauging the temperature the temperature of all the challenges young people challenges that our young people have and how you deal with them . sensitive . kyiv . so it's very sensitive. kyiv every school is going to be different . i looked into this

different. i looked into this after i sent the article by gb news today . there is a lot in news today. there is a lot in the press about it in the mail and the telegraph and you know , and the telegraph and you know, it's one of those things that the school in itself has got to deal with on an individual basis. but it's tricky being a headteacher today is so challenging and to be quite honest, sometimes you're if you do and if you don't. i don't envy you, christine, at all, but thank very much for your thank you very much for your time today. that was christine ccmmc—c- time today. that was christinei ccmmc—c wccy cunniffe from lvs ascot, a very cccc — cunniffe from lvs ascot, a very cccc ccccc. — cunniffe from lvs ascot, a very cccc ccccc-h— cunniffe from lvs ascot, a very cccc ccccclm c- cunniffe from lvs ascot, a very good place. in a statement good place. and in a statement to good place. and in a statement rc-wci— good place. and in a statement rc-wci-cm- good place. and in a statement to mail on wednesday to the mail online on wednesday ,_r.e.ae.aa| , new mills school headteacher hccchcr— , new mills school headteacher heather watts— , new mills school headteacher heather watts said as a school, we wcm— heather watts said as a school, we wcm rc— heather watts said as a school, we want to support all our cmhc— we want to support all our cmhc cmc— we want to support all our pupils and we're happy to cmmcm— pupils and we're happy to cmmcm cw— pupils and we're happy to support our student lgbt group to support our student lgbt group rc-chc— support our student lgbt group to-the events- support our student lgbt group to the events planned to organise the events planned for to organise the events planned rcr mmc— to organise the events planned hcr rcmc chc— to organise the events planned for june the 16th— to organise the events planned for june the 16th due to stories rhcr— for june the 16th due to stories rhcr hcyc— for june the 16th due to stories that have appeared in the mchcmch— that have appeared in the national press— that have appeared in the national press , i have national press, i have now rcccwcc— national press, i have now receivedllarge- national press, i have nowi receivedllarge-of received a large number of cmchc— received a large number of emails both— received a large number of emails both supporting the event and emails both supporting the event chc—cherr— emails both supporting the event and—their concerns- and expressing their concerns cccm— and expressing their concerns cccm-cccm.— and expressing their concerns cccm-cccm. r— and expressing their concerns about event. i have today about the event. i have today rchcm— about the event. i have today taken-decision— about the event. i have today taken - decision to - about the event. i have today taken decision to cancel taken the decision to cancel mhccy-c— taken the decision to cancel friday's event— taken the decision to cancel friday's event to _ taken the decision to cancel friday's event to avoid any ccrcmhcr— friday's event to avoid any potential disruption to the cchcch— potential disruption to the cchcch-ccy- potential disruption to the school day when many potential disruption to the- school-day when many of school on that day when many of our school on that day when many of cmhc— school on that day when many of cmhc wru— school on that day when many of our pupils will be— school on that day when many of our pupils will be taking gcse

exams-me now- our pupils will be taking gcse exams. me now to discuss exams. joining me now to discuss chic— exams. joining me now to discuss rhhc fchhcr— exams. joining me now to discuss rhhc fchhcr hc— exams. joining me now to discuss this further is my— exams. joining me now to discuss this further is my duellists all my ccchhccc— this further is my duellists all my duellists emma webb and aaron hccccmh— my duellists emma webb and aaron hccrcm. cmmc— my duellists emma webb and aaron bastani. emma, i'll— my duellists emma webb and aaron bastani. emma, i'll start with you— bastani. emma, i'll start with ycc chic— bastani. emma, i'll start with ycc rhhc rime.— bastani. emma, i'll start with you this time. you know chhchmct— you this time. you know christine, very- you this time. you know christine, very good headteacher, but she talks cccm.— headteacher, but she talks chccc. ycc— headteacher, but she talks about, you know, we have to ccccccc — about, you know, we have to. educate _these educate young people on these rchchcmchm— educate young people on these relationship because relationship issues because it's pari— relationship issues because it's ccm-chc— relationship issues because it's part the curriculum that's part of the curriculum that's being— part of the curriculum that's hchc-ccwm- part of the curriculum that's hchc-ccwm hy- part of the curriculum that's being down by the being pushed down by the conservative— being pushed down by the conservative so—called conservative - conservative government. however rhcrc-c— there's a difference between ccccchmc— there's a difference between. educating—isn't educating and celebrating, isn't there? —hcc- educating and celebrating, isn'ti there? _has.place there? well, drag has no place in schools. i just think we should be totally unequivocal about . drag sexualised about that. drag is a sexualised performance and this weird association that i've noticed that a lot of the statements surrounding of tying surrounding this sort of tying drag into the lgbt community as if it's something that is somehow culturally core to what is essentially an imagined community, because there are lots of people who are the lgbt who really, you know , there is who really, you know, there is there is a lot of conflict there. i mean, there's no point in going into it because it's been discussed ad infinitum or ad nauseam, even on this channel and elsewhere . so, no, i just i and elsewhere. so, no, i just i don't think that that drag has a place in an education setting .

place in an education setting. what are you trying to educate the children about? and if it's about having stories read to children, then you don't need to be dressed in drag in order to do that. so i just think the whole thing is inappropriate. and if i a child in a school and if i had a child in a school that was putting on drag performance. or encouraging performance. rs or encouraging children to have an interest in something that is sexualised in this way, i would pull my child out immediately. aaron msi is that out immediately. aaron msi is rhcr crcc— out immediately. aaron msi is rhcr crcc hc— out immediately. aaron msi is rhcr crcc hc c— : aaron msi is that drag is a sexualised parody of that drag is a sexualised parody ch c— that drag is a sexualised parody of a woman. do— that drag is a sexualised parody of a woman. do you agree? and is chec— of a woman. do you agree? and is there c— of a woman. do you agree? and is there c chccc— of a woman. do you agree? and is there a place for— of a woman. do you agree? and is there a place for that in cchcchcc— there a place for that in schools? is— there a place for that in schools? is another there a place for that in- schools? is-another way to schools? is there another way to ccccccc — schools? is there another way to educate _about- schools? is there another way to . educate _ about these educate young people about these hhcccyhccc — lifestyles? yeah, actually in the article i think it was one of the parents said that it's a performance absolutely performance that is absolutely fine, not something you fine, but it's not something you want so it was quite want in schools. so it was quite a sensible sort of halfway there. i haven't got a problem with drag. my wife loves rupaups with drag. my wife loves rupaul's drag but i think rupaul's drag race, but i think if really drill down into if you really drill down into this, these kids are as young as 11 they're they're 11 and they're they're being told that can come into told that they can come into school makeup stuff. school wearing makeup and stuff. i i am. i mean, maybe i'm maybe i am. and am getting old. sadly, and i am getting old. sadly, that's what happens when you as a human being. but i remember

being young remember i was a human being. but i remember be grammar remember i was a human being. but i remember be grammar schoolremember i was a human being. but i remember be grammar school andember i was a human being. but i remember be grammar school and there i was a human being. but i remember be grammar school and there was s at grammar school and there was at grammar school and there was a grammar school the a girls grammar school down the road couldn't go to road and they couldn't go to school wearing makeup at 11. and i i don't quite understand i don't i don't quite understand how although it how that's happened, although it should very this should be made very clear this wasn't driven school. it wasn't driven by the school. it wasn't driven by the school. it was a school group. the school tried then tried to enable it. and then obviously is this has obviously this is this has happened. these are happened. but aaron, these are the teachers are the the adults. the teachers are the chchc— the adults. the teachers are the ccchc-r— the adults. the teachers are the ccchc-r ccw— the adults. the teachers are the adults-i saw that- the adults. the teachers are the adults-i saw that in- : the teachers are the adults. i saw that in the adults. and i saw that in the chchcmcmh— adults. and i saw that in the statement. actually. they tried to statement. actually. they tried cc hrcmc— statement. actually. they tried cc hhcmc chc— statement. actually. they tried to blame the students. no, you guys— to blame the students. no, you acyc-ycc-rc— to blame the students. no, you acyc-ycc-rc chc- to blame the students. no, you guys you're the head guys are the you're the head rccchcrc. — guys are the you're the head| teachers. _signed teachers. sure. they signed it off. course. and i, i you off. of course. and i, i you know, is worrying because know, this is worrying because i'm meant to be the one on the left. and i'm saying something. i guys. you can't i agree with you guys. you can't be conservative. well, well, actually, i am actually, you know, i'm i am quite liberal on on these issues. probably issues. and you probably heard me this is a me say, you know, this is a civil liberties issue. but fundamentally, schools are for teaching kids. right you can think wonderful. can think drag's wonderful. you can be activist. that's be an lgbt activist. that's great. but fundamentally, people be an lgbt activist. that's great.school ndamentally, people be an lgbt activist. that's great.school to amentally, people be an lgbt activist. that's great.school to learn ally, people be an lgbt activist. that's great.school to learn mathszople go to school to learn maths science, maybe foreign languages, etcetera. languages, english, etcetera. and we on strange path at and we are on a strange path at the moment where we've gone from teaching children to telling

them what to think. and now it's telling them what to feel . and i telling them what to feel. and i think, of course teachers and schools have to have some moral instruction . of course they do. instruction. of course they do. but i you know, i think there is a little bit of what's called sort of bureaucratic drift going on here, where organisations have a tendency to and have a tendency to try and expand and their expand their reach and their competencies time. we competencies over time. and we probably a broader probably need a broader conversation about this. do we want schools certain want schools doing certain things? it's social engineering. i'm things? it's social engineering. r-m whh— things? it's social engineering. i'm with aaron— “gs7 it's social engineering. i'm with aaron bastani on this shr— i'm with aaron bastani on this one. “g one. stop indoctrinating our children. didn't children. that was i didn't quite say that was my nemesis , quite say that was my nemesis, aaron bastani. thank you both very much for joining the show this now it's time for this week. now it's time for your crusader comments . before your crusader comments. before we take a final break, let's have a look at what you've had to say about today's topics in regards to the christian doctor . jan says sending support for the doctor vindicated, appalling praise to him for standing up for his beliefs. here, here, janet, thank you. i'm sure he'll appreciate that show of solidarity. reacting to the duel with panel, richard

with my panel, richard says a christian has the mind of christ in their born again spirit, which greater any trans which is greater than any trans humanism. know all things as humanism. we know all things as we trust god. we have to stand in the faith that god has given us. there is hope for us all. preach richard. i don't have to say to that. thank you say anything to that. thank you very of your very much for all of your comments. keep them coming in. coming in the part of coming up in the final part of my sense crusade this my common sense crusade this week, we'll be speaking to orthodox icon carver and host of the world podcast. the symbolic world podcast. jonathan .

welcome back. it's time for this week's calvin's concern, where week's calvin's concern, where we hear your views on our twitter poll today. i asked with the conservative party in the midst of a civil war, it seems they will never be held to account for the government's tyrannous covid measures. is this a distraction or are they

merely incompetent? and the results are 59.7% of you think they are incompetent whilst 35.4% of you say it's a distraction . maybe it's a little distraction. maybe it's a little bit of both. who knows? now let's take a look at your thoughts on this question . one thoughts on this question. one andrew says, i agree with a lot of a lot of you say, but this ridiculous harping on about how badly government handled the badly the government handled the covid to stop covid crisis needs to stop hindsight thing, hindsight is a wonderful thing, and world could have and the whole world could have done no, andrew, done better. no, andrew, it's not hindsight. you'll find many of us were saying this all the way throughout that way throughout actually, that lockdowns being lockdowns would end up being more and more harmful than good and that we vaccine we shouldn't mandate a vaccine that hasn't been tested as well as things. and there could as other things. and there could be we had many be harms from that. we had many concerns throughout. not concerns throughout. it's not hindsight. much, hindsight. thank you very much, but for sending but thank you all for sending your and please do your views. and please do continue do so. there's a continue to do so. there's a tendency for elites to tendency today for elites to deconstruct censor many of deconstruct or censor many of the that we hold dear as the stories that we hold dear as a i'm pleased say a society. i'm pleased to say that being joined by a that i'm now being joined by a man is doing opposite of man who is doing the opposite of this and has a book coming out soon is a retelling the soon which is a retelling of the snow tale. now,

snow white fairy tale. now, joining me from montreal is the orthodox icon carver host orthodox icon carver and host of the successful symbolic the hugely successful symbolic world podcast. jonathan pageau . world podcast. jonathan pageau. jonathan, welcome to the show. thank you for joining jonathan, welcome to the show. thank you forjoining us. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. could you start out by telling me a bit about your book, snow white and the widow queen and why you're working on it? sure. calvin it's great to see you. i'm happy to be great to see you. i'm happy to he cm— great to see you. i'm happy to he cm chc— great to see you. i'm happy to he cm the cm— great to see you. i'm happy to be on the on your— great to see you. i'm happy to be on the on your show- g hitrs. i'm happy to be on the on your show as well. we be on the on your show as well. we mer— be on the on your show as well. we met cmcc— be on the on your show as well. we met once, but— be on the on your show as well. we met once, but this is great to we met once, but this is great cc ccw— we met once, but this is great cc ccw cc— we met once, but this is great cc ccw cc ycc— we met once, but this is great to talk to you in— we met once, but this is great to talk to you in this context. rhe— to talk to you in this context. the mcccc— to talk to you in this context. the nodes, the— to talk to you in this context. the nodes, the idea is that we've been watching, you know, for we've been watching, you know, hcr mcw— we've been watching, you know, for now decades. _ we've been watching, you know, for now decades. we've watched the big— for now decades. we've watched the big companies— for now decades. we've watched the big companies deconstruct our the big companies deconstruct hchy— the big companies deconstruct rchy rchcc— the big companies deconstruct our fairy tales, our stories , our fairy tales, our stories, myhhc— our fairy tales, our stories, our myths. and— our fairy tales, our stories, our myths. and we even saw it hchhcm— our myths. and we even saw it hcchcm-cf- our myths. and we even saw it hcchcm-ch chc- our myths. and we even saw it happen of the rings. happen with lord of the rings. now:— happen with lord of the rings. wcw-rhc— happen with lord of the rings. now,-the-recent- happen with lord of the rings. now, the recent series now, with the most recent series cmc— now, with the most recent series cmclhcr— now, with the most recent series cmclhcr cf— now, with the most recent series and lot of conservatives are and a lot of conservatives are ccmcccmhc— and a lot of conservatives are complaining about it, a lot of ccchhc— complaining about it, a lot of cccccc ccc— complaining about it, a lot of people are complaining. but i tech— people are complaining. but i fcch hhc— people are complaining. but i feel like now— people are complaining. but i feel like now is— people are complaining. but i feel like now is rather the time to feel like now is rather the time cc rcccrwwc— feel like now is rather the time to recapture the— feel like now is rather the time to recapture the stories for ourselves . and— to recapture the stories for ourselves . and so in order to do ourselves. and so in order to do so ourselves. and so in order to do a . ycc— ourselves. and so in order to do cc . ycc hmcwt— ourselves. and so in order to do cc . ycc mcwt r-wc— ourselves. and so in order to do so , you know, i've paired up so, you know, i've paired up with— so, you know, i've paired up whh cm— so, you know, i've paired up with some amazing illustrators cmc— with some amazing illustrators chc we— with some amazing illustrators chc wc wcm— with some amazing illustrators and we want to— with some amazing illustrators and we want to tell a very hccmhw— and we want to tell a very hccmhw .— and we want to tell a very beautiful , all— and we want to tell a very beautiful , all straightforward, beautiful, all straightforward, but-insightful- beautiful, all straightforward, but insightful versions of but also insightful versions of

chccchc— but also insightful versions of crccchc hchy— but also insightful versions of classic fairy tales, starting whh — classic fairy tales, starting whh smcw— classic fairy tales, starting with snow white and so we're we put with snow white and so we're we cm h— with snow white and so we're we ccc h ccccrhcr— with snow white and so we're we put it together as— with snow white and so we're we put it together as a— with snow white and so we're we put it together as a crowdfund. wc-rc— put it together as a crowdfund. we're crowdfunding it now on hhchcrchcr— we're crowdfunding it now on kickstarter so— we're crowdfunding it now on kickstarter so people go and kickstarter so people can go and hcch— kickstarter so people can go and hcchlhm— kickstarter so people can go and back-but that's— kickstarter so people can go and back-but that's the - kickstarter so people can go and back but that's the is back it. but that's the plan is rcchy— back it. but that's the plan is rccuy cc— back it. but that's the plan is rccuy cc-cf— back it. but that's the plan is really to -of also- back it. but that's the plan is really to of also send a really to kind of also send a mcccccc— really to kind of also send a message-people- really to kind of also send a message people tired really to kind of also send a- message - people .tired of message that people are tired of wccchhc— message that people are tired of wcrchhc chc— message that people are tired of watching the stories get twisted and watching the stories get twisted chc ccc— watching the stories get twisted chc cccc— watching the stories get twisted and are used for— watching the stories get twisted and are used for ideological hm— and are used for ideological means. but rather people are looking— means. but rather people are rcchmc rc— means. but rather people are looking to celebrate these crchcc. — looking to celebrate these stories. you _ looking to celebrate these stories. you know, that's why they— stories. you know, that's why they ccrcc— stories. you know, that's why they cared about— stories. you know, that's why they cared about them in the mcc— they cared about them in the hrcr crccc. — they cared about them in the first place. well,— they cared about them in the first place. well, there's a tendency— first place. well, there's a tendency now— first place. well, there's a tendency now to rewrite old crchcc— tendency now to rewrite old crchcc h— tendency now to rewrite old stories in ideological ways, hcm-r— stories in ideological ways, isn't there? _ stories in ideological ways, isn't there? why- stories in ideological ways, isn't there? �*fw�*y r:ritr stories in ideological ways, isn't there? r:ritr isn't there? why do you think this happened? this is happening. is your approach happening. and is your approach a a solution a good way of, well, a solution to it ? well, in to prevent it? well, in some ways it's a playing out of the revolutionary trope which has been playing through society been playing through our society now centuries , you know, and now for centuries, you know, and but it's kind of accelerated and accelerating. and now, you know whcw— accelerating. and now, you know whcw yo.— accelerating. and now, you know what? you know,— accelerating. and now, you know what? you know, what— ” “g and now, you know what? you know, what was already rcwchchcmccy— what? you know, what was already revolutionary tropes— what? you know, what was already revolutionary tropes in the 60s hcc— revolutionary tropes in the 60s hcc-c— revolutionary tropes in the 60s now has-a kind- revolutionary tropes in the 60s. now has-a kind-insane now has become a kind of insane cmhcccc— now has become a kind of insane exploded revolutionary trope where— exploded revolutionary trope where every— exploded revolutionary trope where every little idiosyncrasy, cwccy— where every little idiosyncrasy, cwccy cxccchcm— where every little idiosyncrasy, every exception has to become the ccmmc— every exception has to become the centre .— every exception has to become the centre , you— every exception has to become the centre , you know, has to the centre, you know, has to hcccmc— the centre, you know, has to hcccmc chc— the centre, you know, has to become the you— the centre, you know, has to become the you know, the one chcc-c— become the you know, the one that's holding _ become the you know, the one that's holding the—

become the you know, the one that's holding the centre of the cccm— that's holding the centre of the ccccy. amh— that's holding the centre of the ccccy. hmc cc— that's holding the centre of the story. and so because of that , story. and so because of that, you— story. and so because of that, ycc know,— story. and so because of that, you know, we've— story. and so because of that, you know, we've put ourselves in an you know, we've put ourselves in cm hmhccchhhc— you know, we've put ourselves in an impossible situation with crccyrcchmc— an impossible situation with ccccyccchmc .— an impossible situation with storytelling , which is that you storytelling, which is that you ccm-c— storytelling, which is that you ccm-c ccw— storytelling, which is that you can't tell the— storytelling, which is that you can't tell the story anymore. so.— can't tell the story anymore. sc. ycc— can't tell the story anymore. sc. ycc mcwt— can't tell the story anymore. so, you know, disney is going to is so, you know, disney is going to hc ccmmc— so, you know, disney is going to hc putting-right- so, you know, disney is going to is putting right now is putting together right now a cf— is putting together right now a version of snow— is putting together right now a version of snow white, and they-rc— version of snow white, and rhcy-rc ccmc— version of snow white, and rhcy-rc ccmc-h- version of snow white, and they're going it out as a they're going to put it out as a hcc— they're going to put it out as a he ccmcm— they're going to put it out as a live action movie.— they're going to put it out as a live action movie. i don't live action movie. and i don't cccm-hcw— live action movie. and i don't even - how they're - live action movie. and i don't even how they're going even know how they're going to do even know how they're going to chc—ccmc- even know how they're going to cc—ccm-c hcwcl do it because they can't have smcw— do it because they can't have smcw-hc— do it because they can't have snow-be woken- do it because they can't have snow be woken up by snow white be woken up by a prince— snow white be woken up by a prince anymore.— snow white be woken up by a prince anymore. so how are they going— prince anymore. so how are they cchc cc— prince anymore. so how are they going cc-rch— prince anymore. so how are they going to -tell-story?- going to even tell the story? i ccm-c— going to even tell the story? i ccm-c cccm— going to even tell the story? i don't even know— going to even tell the story? i don't even know how they're going— don't even know how they're going rc— don't even know how they're eche cc cc— don't even know how they're eche cc cc h.— don't even know how they're going to do it. well, that's a eccc— going to do it. well, that's a good-because- going to do it. well, that's a good because these good point, because these ccchcc— good point, because these stories,-fables- good point, because these stories, fables are how stories, these fables are how we chcccm— stories, these fables are how we discern reality— stories, these fables are how we discern reality and— stories, these fables are how we discern reality and we discern reality and how we chcccm— discern reality and how we discern truth. _ discern reality and how we discern truth. 3g“. '“r: discern truth. right. and this bnngs discern truth. right. and this brings to second topic, brings me to the second topic, which you've talked about brings me to the second topic, wbiti you've talked about brings me to the second topic, wbit recently, you've talked about brings me to the second topic, wbit recently, is we talked about brings me to the second topic, wbit recently, is thattalked about brings me to the second topic, wbit recently, is that ai

hmcmc— but the insight still comes from humans. that's— but the insight still comes from humans. that's why we call them hyhhc— humans. that's why we call them hyhhc hrs.— humans. that's why we call them hybrid ais, which— humans. that's why we call them hybrid ais, which is— humans. that's why we call them hybrid ais, which is that insight, insightful moments, chem— insight, insightful moments, chcm ycw— insight, insightful moments, then you know— insight, insightful moments, then you know that is better rhcm— then you know that is better chcm wyhe— then you know that is better chcm wyhe cc— then you know that is better than trying to fight the ai in rcrmc— than trying to fight the ai in ccrmc ch— than trying to fight the ai in terms of quantity. and so i think— terms of quantity. and so i chhh rhcr— terms of quantity. and so i think that going back into these crchcc— think that going back into these stories, that's— think that going back into these stories, that's one— think that going back into these stories, that's one of the ways to stories, that's one of the ways cc cc — stories, that's one of the ways cc cc h.— stories, that's one of the ways cc cc h. hc— stories, that's one of the ways cc cc h. hc cc— stories, that's one of the ways to do it, is to tell— stories, that's one of the ways to do it, is to tell them them in c— to do it, is to tell them them in c wcy— to do it, is to tell them them in c wcy chcc— to do it, is to tell them them in a way that will— to do it, is to tell them them in a way that will like the way cchhme— in a way that will like the way we're telling it— in a way that will like the way we're telling it is— in a way that will like the way we're telling it is in a way chcc— we're telling it is in a way rhcr cc— we're telling it is in a way rhcr hc— we're telling it is in a way that can be read to kids. but at ccwhc— that can be read to kids. but at ccwhc chcc— that can be read to kids. but at adults that know— that can be read to kids. but at adults that know their myth, rhcr— adults that know their myth, hcc—hmcc.- adults that know their myth, that—bible, that. adults that know their myth, - that—bible, that know that know their bible, that know all that know their bible, that know ch-ycw— that know their bible, that know ch-ycw-chcc- that know their bible, that know all-you-that know. all their you know, that know ccccyccchmet— all their you know, that know storytelling, - be - all their you know, that know storytelling, be surprised storytelling, will be surprised at storytelling, will be surprised cr—ewhcc- storytelling, will be surprisedi at_pulled together at the things i pulled together and at the things i pulled together chc-cmcrcey— at the things i pulled together and analogy make. and and the analogy that i make. and wc-h— and the analogy that i make. and wc-cc hopefullv_ and the analogy that i make. and we'll hopefully insight we'll hopefully provide insight into—stories- into what these stories are chcwc. — into what these stories are chcwc. _hmc- into what these stories are about. and jonathan, you about. right. and jonathan, you recently— about. right. and jonathan, you recently visited— about. right. and jonathan, you recently visited the on a bit recently visited the uk on a bit of recently visited the uk on a bit ch c— recently visited the uk on a bit ch c ccw. — recently visited the uk on a bit of a tour. what— recently visited the uk on a bit of a tour. what did- recently visited the uk on a bit of a tour. r: r: recently visited the uk on a bit of a tour. what did you think and of symbolism did and what kind of symbolism did you you were out here? you see while you were out here? well, i mean, for someone coming mcm— well, i mean, for someone coming mcm ccmccct— well, i mean, for someone coming from canada, obviously going to the uk— from canada, obviously going to the uk hc— from canada, obviously going to the uk hc cm— from canada, obviously going to the uk is an amazing thing hcccwcc— the uk is an amazing thing. hcccwcc—h-c because canada is such a it's a h-c— because canada is such a it's a h-c c— because canada is such a it's a it's a naturally— because canada is such a it's a it's a naturally beautiful placer— it's a naturally beautiful. place,-culturally place, but it's a culturally ugly— place, but it's a culturally cehy—hmcwl place, but it's a culturally- cery—hmcwlhwc place, but it's a culturally- ugly_know,.live in ugly place. you know, we live in cwhwhc— ugly place. you know, we live in suburbs, plastic— ugly place. you know, we live in suburbs, plastic suburbs with

the telephone— suburbs, plastic suburbs with the telephone wires. and so, you know,— the telephone wires. and so, you know—ar- know, did a speaking tour at cmcm— know, did a speaking tour at owcrc h— know, did a speaking tour at oxford in cambridge . and we did oxford in cambridge. and we did some-in london.- oxford in cambridge. and we did some in london. and so i some events in london. and so i ruch— some events in london. and so i iwcc cwcc— some events in london. and so i rccr cwcc hy— some events in london. and so i was just awed by the beauty of chccc— was just awed by the beauty of rhccc chcccc— was just awed by the beauty of these places-just- was just awed by the beauty of these places just by these places and just by the hchmccc— these places and just by the richness tradition and richness of the tradition and chc— richness of the tradition and chc-hcc— richness of the tradition and chc-fcrlcr- richness of the tradition and the _for,-at the. richness of the tradition and. the _for,-at the same the culture for, uh, at the same hmc— the culture for, uh, at the same hmc feeling— the culture for, uh, at the same time feeling as— the culture for, uh, at the same time feeling as if— the culture for, uh, at the same time feeling as if it's in ccmecr— time feeling as if it's in ccmecr ch— time feeling as if it's in ccmecr ch .— time feeling as if it's in danger of, you time feeling as if it's in danger of , you know, let's say, danger of, you know, let's say, hcc-c— danger of, you know, let's say, hcc-c ruch— danger of, you know, let's say, let's just feeling _ danger of, you know, let's say, let's just feeling that it's in ccmecr— let's just feeling that it's in danger because— let's just feeling that it's in danger because i was there just a danger because i was there just chew— danger because i was there just chcw wcchc— danger because i was there just a few weeks ago— danger because i was there just a few weeks ago and you could chc— a few weeks ago and you could chc flagr— a few weeks ago and you could see the flag, you— a few weeks ago and you could see the flag, you know, flying over everything.— see the flag, you know, flying over everything. and there are a ccw— over everything. and there are a few rhhec— over everything. and there are a few things that— over everything. and there are a few things that i— over everything. and there are a few things that i noticed in cchch— few things that i noticed in certain places— few things that i noticed in certain places like even in westminster— certain places like even in westminster abbey, certain echhcch— westminster abbey, certain political gestures that were worrisome for— political gestures that were worrisome for me to think that chcc— worrisome for me to think that rhcr wc— worrisome for me to think that rhcr wc cc— worrisome for me to think that that we can feel— worrisome for me to think that that we can feel the we can feel hcc— that we can feel the we can feel he the — that we can feel the we can feel like the culture— that we can feel the we can feel like the culture is— that we can feel the we can feel like the culture is fraying . but like the culture is fraying. but i like the culture is fraying. but r wcm— like the culture is fraying. but r wcm cc— like the culture is fraying. but i want to reiterate, though , it i want to reiterate, though, it chcc— i want to reiterate, though, it chcc hccc— i want to reiterate, though, it also feels like— i want to reiterate, though, it also feels like in— i want to reiterate, though, it also feels like in the uk chcrc-c— also feels like in the uk chcrc-c c— also feels like in the uk there's a resistor sense to this rhcr— there's a resistor sense to this rhcr hc— there's a resistor sense to this that is stronger— there's a resistor sense to this that is stronger than many other chcccc— that is stronger than many other ehcccc hcc— that is stronger than many other eccccc hhc ch— that is stronger than many other places like gb news and yourself . hcc— places like gb news and yourself . hcc know,— places like gb news and yourself . you know, people— places like gb news and yourself . you know, people at unherd and l, . you know, people at unherd and r. ycw— . you know, people at unherd and r. ycw hmcwt— . you know, people at unherd and r. ycc hmcwt r— . you know, people at unherd and i, you know, i met— . you know, people at unherd and i, you know, i met a— . you know, people at unherd and i, you know, i met a bunch of people— i, you know, i met a bunch of eccecc chcc— i, you know, i met a bunch of people that were— i, you know, i met a bunch of people that were really, you know,— people that were really, you hmcwt cccm— people that were really, you know, open minded, free thinking people— know, open minded, free thinking eccecc rhcr— know, open minded, free thinking people that looking to not people that were looking to not let people that were looking to not hcc—cc — people that were looking to not hcc—cc cchcm- people that were looking to not let—be taken over. people that were looking to not let be taken over by let themselves be taken over by the let themselves be taken over by chc-hmcmc— let themselves be taken over by

the insane ideologies the by the insane ideologies rhcr— the by the insane ideologies rhcr cc— the by the insane ideologies that are that— the by the insane ideologies that are that invading us. that are that are invading us. mcc-c— that are that are invading us. rhcr-c accr— that are that are invading us. that's great to— that are that are invading us. that's great to hear because whcm— that's great to hear because whcm r— that's great to hear because whcm r rcch— that's great to hear because when i look at— that's great to hear because when i look at places like the hcccc— when i look at places like the hcccc cc— when i look at places like the houses of parliament and i see chcc— houses of parliament and i see rhcr chc— houses of parliament and i see that the chamber— houses of parliament and i see that the chamber is made up to rcrwcccm— that the chamber is made up to rcercccm chc— that the chamber is made up to represent the mass , essentially, represent the mass, essentially, chic— represent the mass, essentially, this-christian— represent the mass, essentially, this christian architecture. this is christian architecture. hcch. — this is christian architecture. hcch. .hc-c— this is christian architecture. yeah. .it's transcendental. yeah. and it's transcendental. this wonderful . but then this is wonderful. but then like you look the building this is wonderful. but then like you might; the building this is wonderful. but then like you might see the building this is wonderful. but then like you might see the the building this is wonderful. but then like you might see the ukraineiing and it might see the ukraine flag or i might see an lgbt flag and i see symbolism of being conquered ideology as conquered of our ideology as being do you being taken over. what do you think about that ? no, i think think about that? no, i think that's think about that? no, i think chcc-c hehc— think about that? no, i think chcc-c hehr .— think about that? no, i think that's right. it— think about that? no, i think that's right. it seems- .“s.7 no, i think that's right. it seems to be chcc— that's right. it seems to be rhcr rhcr— that's right. it seems to be that that pride _ that's right. it seems to be that that pride is definitely hche— that that pride is definitely cche hccc— that that pride is definitely being used to— that that pride is definitely being used to create some kind of international— being used to create some kind of international religion. i ccm-r— of international religion. i ccm-c hmcw— of international religion. i don't know how else to say it. scmc— don't know how else to say it. scmc hmc— don't know how else to say it. scmc hmc cc— don't know how else to say it. some kind of international movement that— some kind of international movement that will transcend mchcmchhy— movement that will transcend nationality. and— movement that will transcend nationality. and so and it seems to nationality. and so and it seems cc hc— nationality. and so and it seems cc hc chic— nationality. and so and it seems to be this worship— nationality. and so and it seems to be this worship of exception or to be this worship of exception cr chic— to be this worship of exception or this worship— to be this worship of exception or this worship of— to be this worship of exception or this worship of inclusion as chc— or this worship of inclusion as chc cmhy— or this worship of inclusion as the only principle— or this worship of inclusion as the only principle by which we cxhcc— the only principle by which we cxhcr .— the only principle by which we cxhcr . hcc— the only principle by which we exist . you know,— the only principle by which we exist . you know, justin trudeau exist. you know, justin trudeau is exist. you know, justin trudeau hc chc— exist. you know, justin trudeau is the greatest— exist. you know, justin trudeau is the greatest example . just is the greatest example. just hcccm— is the greatest example. just hcrcm rc— is the greatest example. just listen to what— is the greatest example. just listen to what he says. he's chmccr— listen to what he says. he's almost programmed by this almost like programmed by this hdcchcey—chhecl ideology. when he says things hcc.— ideology. when he says things hhctlt— ideology. when he says things hhctl. ycw— ideology. when he says things like,., you know,- ideology. when he says things like, , you know, inclusion is like, uh, you know, inclusion is cmry— like, uh, you know, inclusion is our only value— like, uh, you know, inclusion is our only value or— like, uh, you know, inclusion is our only value or diversity is cmhy— our only value or diversity is our only value. _ our only value or diversity is our only value. you know, this

is our only value. you know, this ra_oryraaay,- our only value. you know, this is obviously, that's is ridiculous. obviously, that's not is ridiculous. obviously, that's mcc cccchhhc— is ridiculous. obviously, that's not possible. you— is ridiculous. obviously, that's not possible. you can't just hcyc— not possible. you can't just have diversity— not possible. you can't just have diversity .— not possible. you can't just have diversity . that's called have diversity. that's called decomposition.— have diversity. that's called decomposition. what only decomposition. that's what only cwcrchy— decomposition. that's what only cwcrchy hc. — decomposition. that's what only diversity is. we— decomposition. that's what only diversity is. we need a healthy mh— diversity is. we need a healthy mix-diversity— diversity is. we need a healthy mix diversity unity . but mix of diversity and unity. but chic— mix of diversity and unity. but rhhc wcrchm— mix of diversity and unity. but this worship of— mix of diversity and unity. but this worship of diversity , as this worship of diversity, as chc— this worship of diversity, as chc cmhy— this worship of diversity, as the only prince— this worship of diversity, as the only prince chapel that wmhcc— the only prince chapel that wmhcc wc— the only prince chapel that unites us is— the only prince chapel that unites us is clearly a move ccwcrcc— unites us is clearly a move rcwcrcc c— unites us is clearly a move towards a kind— unites us is clearly a move towards a kind of international, all international— towards a kind of international, all international move . let's all international move. let's ruch— all international move. let's iwcc ccw— all international move. let's rccc cch h— all international move. let's just call it that— all international move. let's just call it that way. i'm with we.— just call it that way. i'm with we hc— just call it that way. i'm with we rc-c c— just call it that way. i'm with you. it's a false idol. it's a new god. but jonathan pageau, thank you so much for your time and thank you for everything you do. jonathan pageau is the host of world podcast . of the symbolic world podcast. now, each week on the show, we like end our closing like to end with our closing prayer. this week, reading the collect for the first sunday after we dev from after trinity, we have dev from the anthony's school for the saint anthony's school for boys. oh the saint anthony's school for boys . oh god. the strength of boys. oh god. the strength of all boys. oh god. the strength of ch ch— boys. oh god. the strength of ch ch chcm— boys. oh god. the strength of all of them that— oh god. the strength of all of them that put their trust in chcc— all of them that put their trust in thee mercifully accept our crcycrc— in thee mercifully accept our ercycrc .— in thee mercifully accept our ercycrc . hmc— in thee mercifully accept our prayers . and because through the prayers. and because through the wccmccch cc— prayers. and because through the weakness of our— prayers. and because through the weakness of our mortal nature , weakness of our mortal nature, weakness of our mortal nature, wc cc— weakness of our mortal nature, we can do no good— weakness of our mortal nature, we can do no good thing without

rhcc. — we can do no good thing without rhcc. cccm— we can do no good thing without rhcc. cccm wc— we can do no good thing without thee. grant us the— we can do no good thing without thee. grant us the help of thy erccc— thee. grant us the help of thy erccc chcc— thee. grant us the help of thy grace that that— thee. grant us the help of thy grace that that in— thee. grant us the help of thy grace that that in keeping thy commandment— grace that that in keeping thy commandment arts, we may please chcc— commandment arts, we may please chcc hcrh— commandment arts, we may please chcc hcrh h— commandment arts, we may please thee both in will— commandment arts, we may please thee both in will and— commandment arts, we may please thee both in will and deed chrcweh— thee both in will and deed through jesus— thee both in will and deed through jesus christ, our lord. hmcm— through jesus christ, our lord. hmcm .— through jesus christ, our lord. hmcm . cccc— through jesus christ, our lord. amen . good evening . amen. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. saturday marks the first day since the end of august last year that temperatures rose above 30 c. in the uk. we are feeling in this heat from southern and southwestern areas of europe and it's going to remain quite hot as we move into sunday as well. combine that with these occluded fronts helping to pep up showers with of rain, moisture with outbreaks of rain, moisture and humidity and it and heat means humidity and it will quite sticky some will feel quite sticky for some of we head into the of us as we head into the overnight period. the showers tending northwards into tending to move northwards into parts scotland. there could parts of scotland. there could be generally be heavy in places generally dner be heavy in places generally drier throughout early hours drier throughout the early hours of for northern of sunday morning for northern ireland, wales england. but ireland, wales and england. but temperatures around temperatures holding up around the high teens, making it

the mid to high teens, making it slightly uncomfortable for sleeping in places and means it'll start off on a warm note on sunday morning as well. the showers across scotland will continue to push their way northwards , but into the northwards, but into the afternoon, once that sunshine line we'll see further line develops, we'll see further showers poking off around western areas of england into wales across southern parts as well. these could bring some torrential downpours , 30 to 40mm torrential downpours, 30 to 40mm of rain in an hour and temperatures once again climbing towards that 30 celsius mark, more towards eastern areas of england. now we'll take a little bit of time for those showers to clear their way off. could still be thundery into the evening time and some localised time at least and some localised flooding is possible. they'll tend die out bit more as we tend to die out a bit more as we head into overnight period head into the overnight period and some clear spells will develop could be quite misty develop but could be quite misty and coastal and foggy around some coastal areas well . another muggy areas as well. another muggy night into monday and once night leads into monday and once again will be bright and again it will be a bright and sunny many of us. but sunny start for many of us. but that sunshine help to that sunshine will help to develop showers and we'll develop those showers and we'll see them again, potentially thundery in places throughout the we'll see further

the day whilst we'll see further showers monday this area of showers on monday this area of high pressure .