channel good i channel- good afternoon. channel good afternoon. welcome to gb news sunday on what is a rather sweltering day here in the caphal sweltering day here in the capital. i hope it is very nice where you are too. i'm emily carver . for where you are too. i'm emily carver. for the next where you are too. i'm emily carver . for the next two where you are too. i'm emily carver. for the next two hours where you are too. i'm emily carver . for the next two hours i carver. for the next two hours i will be you company on will be keeping you company on tv, radio. so coming tv, online and radio. so coming up this hour, rishi sunak sunaks allies are fighting back against bofis allies are fighting back against boris johnson amid a growing tory row. the former prime minister dramatically resigned as an mp on friday over the outcome of the partygate inquiry . two of his allies have also quit with immediate effect. so rishi sunak now has three by elections on his hands. what does this mean for him .andthe does this mean for him .and the

tory party.7 plus, according to a study by migrationwatch uk, if net migration is to continue at its present level and birth rates remain low, we could see the population increase by 16 million to between 83 and 87 million to between 83 and 87 million by the year 2046. i'll be seeing what impact that could have on the country and clinicians and psychologists have welcomed nhs, nhs england's decision to ban puberty blockers for children suffering from gender dysphoria outside of clinical research. the move comes after a report into children's gender services said there were gaps in evidence around the drugs. common sense verdict there from the nhs. but first, it's the news headlines with rory smith . thank you very with rory smith. thank you very much,— with rory smith. thank you very much, emily.— with rory smith. thank you very much, emily. a— with rory smith. thank you very much, emily. a boat— 1:33 thank you very much, emily. a boat carrying british— much, emily. a boat carrying british tourists— much, emily. a boat carrying british tourists is said to have burst— british tourists is said to have burst into— british tourists is said to have burst into flames— british tourists is said to have burst into flames in the red sea . they— burst into flames in the red sea . they were— burst into flames in the red sea . they were taking— burst into flames in the red sea . they were taking part in a eewbe— . they were taking part in a scuba diving— . they were taking part in a scuba diving trip. the foreign

office— scuba diving trip. the foreign office wee— scuba diving trip. the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact— office has confirmed it's in contact with— office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities - contact with egyptian authorities and assisting those involved.— authorities and assisting those wwewee. 12— authorities and assisting those involved. 12 other— authorities and assisting those involved. 12 other britons were reported— involved. 12 other britons were reported be— involved. 12 other britons were reported be rescued from the beet— reported be rescued from the beet eff— reported be rescued from the beet off we— reported be rescued from the boat off the coast of marsa were.— boat off the coast of marsa were. leew— boat off the coast of marsa alam. local media says three people— alam. local media says three people ee— alam. local media says three people are still— alam. local media says three people are still missing. one of wowe— people are still missing. one of boris johnson's— people are still missing. one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations— boris johnson's allies says the resignations of— boris johnson's allies says the resignations of two tory mps was not resignations of two tory mps was new a— resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated— resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated attempt to wreermrwe— not a coordinated attempt to undermine the— not a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister. sir undermine the prime minister. srr jacob— undermine the prime minister. sir jacob rees—mogg says there sirjacob rees—mogg says there is we— sirjacob rees—mogg says there is we prer— sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no plot against— sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no plot against rishi sunak erre— is no plot against rishi sunak are re— is no plot against rishi sunak and he believes— is no plot against rishi sunak and he believes he should remain reader.— and he believes he should remain reader. we— and he believes he should remain leader. he also— and he believes he should remain leader. he also suggested mr johnson— leader. he also suggested mr johnson could— leader. he also suggested mr johnson could return to westminster- johnson could return to westminster after suggesting he cowe— westminster after suggesting he eewre eeerw— westminster after suggesting he could easily get— westminster after suggesting he could easily get back into parliament— could easily get back into parliament at— could easily get back into parliament at the next election. wen,— parliament at the next election. weu, wre— parliament at the next election. well, the former— parliament at the next election. well, the former pm announced he was well, the former pm announced he erepprwg— well, the former pm announced he erepprwg rewr— well, the former pm announced he was stepping down as an mp after he was stepping down as an mp after we wee— was stepping down as an mp after we herded— was stepping down as an mp after he was handed the— was stepping down as an mp after he was handed the findings of the he was handed the findings of we rerrwgere— he was handed the findings of the partygate inquiry . he was handed the findings of the partygate inquiry. sirjacob says— the partygate inquiry. sirjacob eewe were— the partygate inquiry. sirjacob says there could— the partygate inquiry. sirjacob says there could be a split if wre— says there could be a split if wee rw— says there could be a split if some mps try to— says there could be a split if some mps try to block his rewrrer — some mps try to block his rewrrer eur— some mps try to block his return. but he— some mps try to block his return. but he admits some winge— return. but he admits some rrrwge cowe— return. but he admits some things could have been done here.— things could have been done here. — things could have been done were. one— things could have been done better. one always- things could have been done better. : better. one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretend

that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without fault. no, our gracious queen. in no, not our gracious queen. in the same could be said of boris . none without fault. no, not . none is without fault. no, not our . that that is our gracious boris. that that is true all of us. but meanwhile true of all of us. but meanwhile , leave campaigner nigel farage believes it's the end for boris johnson with the conservatives. but the gb news presenter told cemrue— but the gb news presenter told camilla tominey_ but the gb news presenter told camilla tominey he's been rewire— camilla tominey he's been rewrwg re— camilla tominey he's been talking to tory— camilla tominey he's been talking to tory mps about perewrrerw— talking to tory mps about potentially joining a new party. the potentially joining a new party. we geod— potentially joining a new party. we geee ewe— potentially joining a new party. the good side of— potentially joining a new party. the good side of boris, of course, is well— the good side of boris, of course, is well ,- the good side of boris, of course, is well , just look at course, is well, just look at reeew-e— course, is well, just look at today's newspapers. r:3 course, is well, just look at today's newspapers. c; 3 today's newspapers. he's very good— today's newspapers. he's very good er— today's newspapers. he's very good at dominating news. he does have personality. he does make people smile. and if he wants to defend aid, his brexit legacy . defend aid, his brexit legacy. yeah, well, i want to defend my brexit legacy too. so would there be a possibility motty of a new coming together on the centre? right? it would be boris johnson. there will be other mps that would join in with this as well. do discuss this with boris johnson,— well. do discuss this with boris rerweew-wrrw— do discuss this with boris johnson, with directly, johnson, not with him directly,

no. _discussed- johnson, not with him directly, no. _discussed it. johnson, not with him directly,- no. _discussed it with no. but i have discussed it with people very close to him . well, people very close to him. well, in other news this afternoon, firefighters are battling a wildfire which reportedly stretches an area that's a mile long near inverness. it comes as hot long near inverness. it comes as her weerrrer— long near inverness. it comes as hot weather persists— c3“; it comes as hot weather persists across c“; it comes as hot weather persists across the eewwrw— hot weather persists across the eewwrw .— hot weather persists across the eewwrw . a— hot weather persists across the eewnrrw . a ne— hot weather persists across the country . a new yellow country. a new yellow thunderstorm warnings have been newer— thunderstorm warnings have been issued ny— thunderstorm warnings have been issued by we— thunderstorm warnings have been issued by the met— thunderstorm warnings have been issued by the met office erreerrng— issued by the met office affecting parts of scotland , affecting parts of scotland, wennern — affecting parts of scotland, northern ireland, england and were— northern ireland, england and were .— northern ireland, england and were . rnew-u— northern ireland, england and wales . they'll be in force until wales. they'll be in force until snoo— wales. they'll be in force until 9:00 tomorrow— wales. they'll be in force until 9:00 tomorrow night. ukraine says— 9:00 tomorrow night. ukraine says we— 9:00 tomorrow night. ukraine says its counter—offensive renne— says its counter—offensive against russia _ says its counter—offensive against russia is underway. rreereenr— against russia is underway. president vladimir zelenskyy sewe— president vladimir zelenskyy eewe nee— president vladimir zelenskyy says he's optimistic about regernrng— says he's optimistic about regaining lost— says he's optimistic about regaining lost territory . it's regaining lost territory. it's ener— regaining lost territory. it's after ukraine— regaining lost territory. it's after ukraine said its forces nee— after ukraine said its forces had advanced— after ukraine said its forces had advanced up to 2000m along the had advanced up to 2000m along rne nonr— had advanced up to 2000m along rne frenr une— had advanced up to 2000m along the front line near— had advanced up to 2000m along the front line near the eastern ew— the front line near the eastern cry or— the front line near the eastern city of bakhmut. _ the front line near the eastern city of bakhmut. well, russia is erepwrrng— city of bakhmut. well, russia is disputing those— city of bakhmut. well, russia is disputing those claims as homeowners— disputing those claims as homeowners are being hit with wner— homeowners are being hit with we renew— homeowners are being hit with what labour is— homeowners are being hit with what labour is describing as a row— what labour is describing as a tory nengege— what labour is describing as a tory mortgage penalty of £7,000 a tory mortgage penalty of £7,000 eweer. — tory mortgage penalty of £7,000 eweer. rne— tory mortgage penalty of £7,000 ayear- rne penw— tory mortgage penalty of £7,000 a year. the party says interest rares— a year. the party says interest rates are triple— a year. the party says interest rates are triple what they were we— rates are triple what they were we weare— rates are triple what they were we weere nee— rates are triple what they were two years ago and the average

nerneewner re— two years ago and the average homeowner is paying an extra eno— homeowner is paying an extra erso e— homeowner is paying an extra erso a week— homeowner is paying an extra £150 a week as— homeowner is paying an extra £150 a week as a— homeowner is paying an extra £150 a week as a result of the min—nwner.— £150 a week as a result of the mini—budget. the— £150 a week as a result of the mini—budget. the government says it's mini—budget. the government says we working— mini—budget. the government says we working on— mini—budget. the government says it's working on halving inflation— it's working on halving inflation to— it's working on halving inflation to help struggling households— inflation to help struggling households ,_ inflation to help struggling households , as the government households, as the government nee— households, as the government has announced,— households, as the government has announced, £58 million of running— has announced, £58 million of running re— has announced, £58 million of funding to help— has announced, £58 million of funding to help people with neenn— funding to help people with health conditions get back to work. — health conditions get back to work. 25.000— health conditions get back to work. 25,000 people in england wru— work. 25,000 people in england wru nenenr— work. 25,000 people in england will benefit from _ work. 25,000 people in england will benefit from the scheme and will benefit from the scheme and wru ne— will benefit from the scheme and will be referred— will benefit from the scheme and will be referred to— will benefit from the scheme and will be referred to the service by ers— will be referred to the service by ens .— will be referred to the service by ens . wru— will be referred to the service by cps . will the _ will be referred to the service by gps . will the funding will by gps. will the funding will help— by gps. will the funding will new rnen— by gps. will the funding will help them start— by gps. will the funding will help them start or stay in jobs by weren— help them start or stay in jobs by march 2025.— help them start or stay in jobs by march 2025. kyiv dvla workers newe— by march 2025. kyiv dvla workers newe erenee— by march 2025. kyiv dvla workers have started their— by march 2025. kyiv dvla workers have started their two week ernwe — have started their two week strike action _ have started their two week strike action in— have started their two week strike action in the long running— strike action in the long running civil— strike action in the long running civil service dispute . running civil service dispute. wennere— running civil service dispute. members or— running civil service dispute. members of the— running civil service dispute. members of the union are taking weren— members of the union are taking eerren er— members of the union are taking action at tefillin_ members of the union are taking action at tefillin and swansea, wnren— action at tefillin and swansea, wnren re— action at tefillin and swansea, which is likely— action at tefillin and swansea, which is likely to— action at tefillin and swansea, which is likely to lead to neeweee— which is likely to lead to backlogs for— which is likely to lead to backlogs for driving licences , backlogs for driving licences, as backlogs for driving licences, we we— backlogs for driving licences, as the union— backlogs for driving licences, as the union has— backlogs for driving licences, as the union has been given an improved— as the union has been given an improved offer— as the union has been given an improved offer to— as the union has been given an improved offer to end the erenwre— improved offer to end the erenwre .— improved offer to end the dispute , including the promise dispute, including the promise of dispute, including the promise er a— dispute, including the promise or e ensoo— dispute, including the promise of a £1,500 payment to each nernenr— of a £1,500 payment to each rnernenr .— of a £1,500 payment to each member . this— of a £1,500 payment to each member . this is— of a £1,500 payment to each member . this is gb news will member. this is gb news will bring— member. this is gb news will nnng wen— member. this is gb news will nnng you more— member. this is gb news will bring you more as— member. this is gb news will bring you more as it happens.

wow— bring you more as it happens. wew rnewgn— bring you more as it happens. wew rnewen .— bring you more as it happens. now though , back to . now though, back to. emily pranks.— now though, back to. emily l rnnnwe. new— now though, back to. emily l rnnnwe. new.— now though, back to. emily i thanks, rory. so- now though, back to. emily - thanks, rory. so our. thanks, rory. so our top story rishi faces three rishi sunak now faces three byelections after boris johnson and his allies, nadine dorries and his allies, nadine dorries and nigel adams resigned with immediate effect. boris johnson believes been the victim believes he has been the victim of establishment stitch up, of an establishment stitch up, but support within the but has his support within the party and in the country run out? and what does this all mean for sunak i wonder, will for rishi sunak i wonder, will he be able to put the boris drama behind him and the drama behind him and unite the party behind him? does it look likely we're standing now? likely where we're standing now? and for boris johnson, what and as for boris johnson, what will do ? is a comeback on the will he do? is a comeback on the cards? do you think he's been a victim of a technocratic coup or is he hung his is it time he hung up his political gloves good? political gloves for good? he's unlikely to disappear, that's for sure. so joining me now to discuss this is our deputy political reporter, tom harwood tom rishi. now faces three by

elections . can we expect any elections. can we expect any further resignations ? well that further resignations? well that is the speculation and the whispers on everyone's lips in westminster. it's a very curious neerrren— westminster. it's a very curious neerrren rer— westminster. it's a very curious position for the _ westminster. it's a very curious position for the prime- it's a very curious position for the prime minister to position for the prime minister re newe— position for the prime minister to have found— position for the prime minister to have found himself within the spree— to have found himself within the space or— to have found himself within the epeee er ze— to have found himself within the space of 24 hours— to have found himself within the space of 24 hours from friday rnrewen— space of 24 hours from friday rnrewen re— space of 24 hours from friday through to saturday, the three by ereerrene,— through to saturday, the three by elections, one— through to saturday, the three by elections, one defending a mar-onw— by elections, one defending a neienrw er— by elections, one defending a neienrw or 7n— by elections, one defending a majority of 71, a— by elections, one defending a majority of 71, a majority . of majority of 71, a majority. of moor,— majority of 71, a majority. of men a— majority of 71, a majority. of 20,001, a majority of 25,000 weer— 20,001, a majority of 25,000 re wew— 20,001, a majority of 25,000 votes. now in— 20,001, a majority of 25,000 votes. now in normal times, a ew—ereerren— votes. now in normal times, a ew-ereerren re— votes. now in normal times, a by—election to defend a majority of by—election to defend a majority er newne— by—election to defend a majority of around 25,000— by—election to defend a majority of around 25,000 votes would not be en— of around 25,000 votes would not be en reewe— of around 25,000 votes would not be en rer— of around 25,000 votes would not be an issue for the— of around 25,000 votes would not be an issue for the prime wrnrerer— be an issue for the prime minister but— be an issue for the prime minister but these are not newner— minister but these are not normal times. _ minister but these are not normal times. and we have seen in reeenr— normal times. and we have seen in recent history— normal times. and we have seen in recent history similar scale neienrree— in recent history similar scale neienrree ee— in recent history similar scale majorities be overturned by very eeererneree— majorities be overturned by very coordinated and— majorities be overturned by very coordinated and concerted ew—ereerren— coordinated and concerted by—election efforts . and it is by—election efforts. and it is of by—election efforts. and it is er nee— by—election efforts. and it is er nere, rr— by—election efforts. and it is er nere, rr re— by—election efforts. and it is of note, it is of— by—election efforts. and it is of note, it is of interest that we— of note, it is of interest that the conservative _ of note, it is of interest that the conservative party have this weekend— the conservative party have this weekend called _ the conservative party have this weekend called upon their entire rnerr— weekend called upon their entire their candidates— weekend called upon their entire their candidates list. everyone wne— their candidates list. everyone

wne nee— their candidates list. everyone who has applied— their candidates list. everyone who has applied to be a candidate— who has applied to be a candidate anywhere in the eewnrw— candidate anywhere in the eewnrrw rer— candidate anywhere in the country for the— candidate anywhere in the country for the conservative party _ country for the conservative party rnew— country for the conservative party rnew ere— country for the conservative party, they are now being told get party, they are now being told eer re— party, they are now being told get to mid—bedfordshire to help the canvassing— get to mid—bedfordshire to help the canvassing and campaigning errerre. — the canvassing and campaigning errerre. wew— the canvassing and campaigning efforts. now that— the canvassing and campaigning efforts. now that points to eerneee— efforts. now that points to eerneee ee— efforts. now that points to perhaps some worries in conservative— perhaps some worries in conservative campaign headquarters, perhaps some irrere— headquarters, perhaps some irrere reare— headquarters, perhaps some jitters, fears that they might not jitters, fears that they might ner ee — jitters, fears that they might ner ee erre— jitters, fears that they might not be able to— jitters, fears that they might not be able to hold to on what is not be able to hold to on what re nerrenerrw— not be able to hold to on what is notionally a— not be able to hold to on what is notionally a very safe conservative— is notionally a very safe conservative seat there in mid—bedfordshire. and the eweerren— mid—bedfordshire. and the question arises— mid—bedfordshire. and the question arises is why is this happening?— question arises is why is this happening? why— question arises is why is this happening? why these three by ereerrene— happening? why these three by elections from _ happening? why these three by elections from two very close errree— elections from two very close we er— elections from two very close allies of boris— elections from two very close allies of boris johnson and one nene— allies of boris johnson and one nene renneen— allies of boris johnson and one boris johnson himself ? aslef why boris johnson himself? aslef why so boris johnson himself? aslef why ee eweeenw— boris johnson himself? aslef why ee eweeenw e— boris johnson himself? aslef why so suddenly ? why— boris johnson himself? aslef why so suddenly ? why altogether some so suddenly? why altogether some eeeere— so suddenly? why altogether some eeeere newe— so suddenly? why altogether some people have raised— so suddenly? why altogether some people have raised the question of people have raised the question er wnerner— people have raised the question er wnerner er— people have raised the question of whether or not— people have raised the question of whether or not this is a coordinated— of whether or not this is a coordinated attack on rishi swnewe— coordinated attack on rishi sunaks authority , although jacob sunaks authority, although jacob rees-m099— sunaks authority, although jacob reeee—rreee nee— sunaks authority, although jacob rees—mogg has said that he does not rees—mogg has said that he does ner renewe— rees—mogg has said that he does not believe this— rees—mogg has said that he does not believe this is— rees—mogg has said that he does not believe this is a— not believe this is a coordinated- not believe this is a coordinated effort, i'm afraid i win— coordinated effort, i'm afraid i rnrnw rnre— coordinated effort, i'm afraid i think this plot— coordinated effort, i'm afraid i think this plot for lots of eeeere— think this plot for lots of eeeere re— think this plot for lots of people to resign is invented. i rnrnw— people to resign is invented. i rnrnw rwe— people to resign is invented. i think two people— people to resign is invented. i think two people decided- people to resign is invented. i think two people decided they wanted to leave parliament, both of whom had indicated that desire already. they've just

slightly changed the timetable , slightly changed the timetable, both of whom were expecting to retire to peerages rather than to the chiltern. hundreds i am unaware of any plot of this kind. it's speculation , not kind. it's speculation, not based on sufficient evidence . based on sufficient evidence. jacob rees—mogg says that he's unaware of that sort of plot and does point correct me to the fact that both nigel adams and nadine dorries had said they'd be standing down anyway at the next general election. however , next general election. however, what both nigel— next general election. however, what both nigel adams- ; 3“ however, what both nigel adams and nadine nernee— what both nigel adams and nadine nernee nee— what both nigel adams and nadine dorries had also— what both nigel adams and nadine dorries had also said is they wewren-r— dorries had also said is they wouldn't stand— dorries had also said is they wouldn't stand down until the nexr— wouldn't stand down until the next election.— wouldn't stand down until the next election. so— wouldn't stand down until the next election. so clearly what nee— next election. so clearly what nee neeeenee— next election. so clearly what has happened in— next election. so clearly what has happened in the last couple of has happened in the last couple er eewe— has happened in the last couple er eewe re— has happened in the last couple er eewe e e— has happened in the last couple of days is a change in position tren— of days is a change in position rren rneee— of days is a change in position from those two— of days is a change in position from those two individuals, from erenerne— from those two individuals, from erenerne eewn— from those two individuals, from standing down in— from those two individuals, from standing down in 2024 to erenerne— standing down in 2024 to standing down- standing down in 2024 to standing down in 2024 to standing down in 2023. :" standing down in 2023. tom, if rnere— standing down in 2023. tom, if rnere re— standing down in 2023. tom, if rnere re sene— standing down in 2023. tom, if there is some kind of coordinated plot, it doesn't seem to be a very big one. we've only had nadine dorries and nigel adams to follow boris johnson and resign. i have a

sense that perhaps support for bofis sense that perhaps support for boris johnson within the party is waning. it seems to be petering out. is that what you're hearing on the ground ? you're hearing on the ground? well, it's certainly true that bofis well, it's certainly true that boris johnson isn't as popular in the parliamentary conservative party as he once was, but there is another side to this. i've spoken to some errree— to this. i've spoken to some errree er— to this. i've spoken to some allies of boris— i've spoken to some allies of boris johnson in eerrrenenr— allies of boris johnson in parliament who have said that we— parliament who have said that they absolutely— parliament who have said that they absolutely will not be reergnrne— they absolutely will not be resigning their— they absolutely will not be resigning their seats in parliament— resigning their seats in parliament because if boris renneen— parliament because if boris renneen wee— parliament because if boris johnson were to— parliament because if boris johnson were to ever make a reneweere— johnson were to ever make a remarkable comeback , he would remarkable comeback, he would need— remarkable comeback, he would need errree— remarkable comeback, he would need allies still— remarkable comeback, he would need allies still there on those green— need allies still there on those green benches— need allies still there on those green benches .— need allies still there on those green benches . so potentially it green benches. so potentially it went— green benches. so potentially it wewre ee— green benches. so potentially it wewre be en— green benches. so potentially it would be an act— green benches. so potentially it would be an act of— green benches. so potentially it would be an act of folly for him to would be an act of folly for him re eerr— would be an act of folly for him re eerr er— would be an act of folly for him re eerr er ne— would be an act of folly for him to sort of rid the— would be an act of folly for him to sort of rid the parliamentary party— to sort of rid the parliamentary eenw er— to sort of rid the parliamentary eenw er err— to sort of rid the parliamentary eenw er err er— to sort of rid the parliamentary party of all of his— to sort of rid the parliamentary party of all of his allies at iner— party of all of his allies at we rne— party of all of his allies at just the time— party of all of his allies at just the time when he would need errree— just the time when he would need we rn— just the time when he would need errree rn rne— just the time when he would need allies in the parliamentary party,— allies in the parliamentary party perhaps— allies in the parliamentary party, perhaps that suggests reee— party, perhaps that suggests less coordination than than the rnen— less coordination than than the rnen rnen— less coordination than than the than than much— less coordination than than the than than much speculation eernre— than than much speculation eernre re— than than much speculation points to clearly all mps are individuals— points to clearly all mps are individuals have— points to clearly all mps are individuals have their own ideas individuals have their own ideas in rerne— individuals have their own ideas in rerne er— individuals have their own ideas in terms of how— individuals have their own ideas in terms of how best to advance rnerr— in terms of how best to advance their principles— in terms of how best to advance their principles or—

in terms of how best to advance their principles or indeed their rewewree— their principles or indeed their favoured candidates. and eerrernrw— favoured candidates. and eerrernrw r— favoured candidates. and certainly 1 or— favoured candidates. and certainly 1 or 2 of those that r-we— certainly 1 or 2 of those that he eeewen— certainly 1 or 2 of those that i've spoken to— certainly 1 or 2 of those that i've spoken to who have been the enter-eer— i've spoken to who have been the eweteer er— i've spoken to who have been the subject of speculation will they erene — subject of speculation will they erene eewn — subject of speculation will they stand down at— subject of speculation will they stand down at all— subject of speculation will they stand down at all or before the nexr— stand down at all or before the next election— stand down at all or before the next election or— stand down at all or before the next election or at— stand down at all or before the next election or at the next ereerren — next election or at the next ereerren e— next election or at the next election ? in— next election or at the next election ? in some of those i've election? in some of those i've eeewen— election? in some of those i've eeewen re— election? in some of those i've eeewen re newe— election? in some of those i've spoken to have said that that went— spoken to have said that that would absolutely be wrong would absolutely be the wrong rnrne— would absolutely be the wrong rnrnelee. — would absolutely be the wrong rnrnelee. ane— would absolutely be the wrong thing do. and tom, just thing to do. and tom, just reerrw— thing to do. and tom, just new e— thing to do. and tom, just lastly, a little— thing to do. and tom, just lastly, a little more speculation, if you will, rnewree— speculation, if you will, indulge me,— speculation, if you will, indulge me, boris johnson, what wru— indulge me, boris johnson, what wrrr ne— indulge me, boris johnson, what wrrr ne ee— indulge me, boris johnson, what will he do next? _ indulge me, boris johnson, what will he do next? �*fw�*c; : will he do next? we've heard from nigel farage earlier on today on the channel talk , today on the channel talk, potentially, perhaps he would work with him. a new centre right party. is this all just whispers ? is this all just whispers? is this all just hearsay ? it's very entertaining hearsay? it's very entertaining whispers. but i'm not sure that war— whispers. but i'm not sure that rner wewre— whispers. but i'm not sure that rner wewre ee— whispers. but i'm not sure that that would be at— whispers. but i'm not sure that that would be at the- but i'm not sure that that would be at the top of nene— that would be at the top of boris johnson's— that would be at the top of boris johnson's list at the eenr — boris johnson's list at the moment. what- boris johnson's list at the moment. what seems to be the top of moment. what seems to be the top er nene— moment. what seems to be the top of boris johnson's— moment. what seems to be the top of boris johnson's list is keeping— of boris johnson's list is keeping me— of boris johnson's list is keeping his profile high and newne— keeping his profile high and making e— keeping his profile high and making a rather a lot of money. nee— making a rather a lot of money. we en— making a rather a lot of money. we en rne— making a rather a lot of money. he's on this speaking circuit rewr— he's on this speaking circuit rewr er— he's on this speaking circuit rewr er rne— he's on this speaking circuit tour at the moment. he's spoken in many— tour at the moment. he's spoken in many countries— tour at the moment. he's spoken in many countries around the went— in many countries around the were ene— in many countries around the world and people do pay him

entre— world and people do pay him ewrre e— world and people do pay him were e rer— world and people do pay him quite a lot for— world and people do pay him quite a lot for his time. so i rnrnw— quite a lot for his time. so i rnrnw we— quite a lot for his time. so i think we should— quite a lot for his time. so i think we should expect to see many— think we should expect to see many nene— think we should expect to see many boris johnson speeches popping— many boris johnson speeches p0ppin9 up— many boris johnson speeches popping up. speaking to different— popping up. speaking to different audiences around the went,— different audiences around the mid, renne— different audiences around the world, raking in— different audiences around the world, raking in a lot of money on world, raking in a lot of money en rner— world, raking in a lot of money on that speaker's— world, raking in a lot of money on that speaker's circuit , but on that speaker's circuit, but eree— on that speaker's circuit, but also potentially— on that speaker's circuit, but also potentially returning to eerr— also potentially returning to eerr er— also potentially returning to some sort of media role in the entree— some sort of media role in the united kingdom.— some sort of media role in the united kingdom. perhaps that refere— united kingdom. perhaps that eerere enw— united kingdom. perhaps that before any more— united kingdom. perhaps that before any more politics, rnere-e— before any more politics, there's been— before any more politics, there's been a- before any more politics, there's been a lot of speculation- there's been a lot of speculation as to whether he wir— speculation as to whether he wrrr rerrn— speculation as to whether he will return to— speculation as to whether he will return to an— speculation as to whether he will return to an old gig. he nee— will return to an old gig. he nee er— will return to an old gig. he nee er rne— will return to an old gig. he had at the spectator. or might the had at the spectator. or might rne telegraph— had at the spectator. or might the telegraph have room for him to the telegraph have room for him re eerneee— the telegraph have room for him re eerneee ee— the telegraph have room for him to perhaps use even some sort of tweeter— to perhaps use even some sort of broader podcast_ to perhaps use even some sort of broader podcast outing? who wnewee— broader podcast outing? who knows? clearly, _ broader podcast outing? who knows? clearly, there is much, nwen— knows? clearly, there is much, much speculation _ knows? clearly, there is much, much speculation in terms of how nene— much speculation in terms of how nene renneen— much speculation in terms of how boris johnson will— much speculation in terms of how boris johnson will remain part of boris johnson will remain part er rne— boris johnson will remain part of the national— boris johnson will remain part of the national conversation. wner— of the national conversation. wner rnere— of the national conversation. what there isn't— of the national conversation. what there isn't speculation or wner— what there isn't speculation or wner rnere— what there isn't speculation or what there isn't— what there isn't speculation or what there isn't contention eeewr— what there isn't contention eeewr .— what there isn't contention about, perhaps- what there isn't contention about, perhaps i what there isn't contention about , perhaps i should say, is about, perhaps i should say, is war— about, perhaps i should say, is rner ne— about, perhaps i should say, is rner ne wru— about, perhaps i should say, is that he will for— about, perhaps i should say, is that he will for certain eenrrnwe— that he will for certain continue to— that he will for certain continue to be part of that nerrener— continue to be part of that national conversation. well, neeerwrw— national conversation. well, hopefully boris— national conversation. well, hopefully boris johnson won't eweee— hopefully boris johnson won't eweee rn— hopefully boris johnson won't eweee rn ene— hopefully boris johnson won't swoop in and steal my seat, but rnee— swoop in and steal my seat, but rnere wew— swoop in and steal my seat, but rnere wew 90— swoop in and steal my seat, but rnere wew 90 en— swoop in and steal my seat, but there you go on the— swoop in and steal my seat, but there you go on the gb news ereeenrrne— there you go on the gb news presenting seat— there you go on the gb news presenting seat . c3

presenting seat. thank you very much indeed. tom harwood there. our deputy political editor from a very sunny south london. i think he'll be joining me in the studio later, hopefully as well. but joining me react to that but joining me to react to that is and writer for the is barrister and writer for the spectator , stephen barrett, spectator, stephen barrett, and former labour mp shaun woodward . well, there you go. stephen an bofis . well, there you go. stephen an boris johnson could be joining the spectator . well, i mean , he the spectator. well, i mean, he he was there before . um, it what he was there before. um, it what bofis he was there before. um, it what nene reee— he was there before. um, it what boris does and— he was there before. um, it what boris does and what— ”r“c;c; ”cl um, it what boris does and what boris reeen-r— boris does and what boris reeen-r ee— boris does and what boris doesn't do is— boris does and what boris doesn't do is really a matter for doesn't do is really a matter rer nene— doesn't do is really a matter rer nene .— doesn't do is really a matter for boris . and— doesn't do is really a matter for boris . and i— doesn't do is really a matter for boris . and i think that what for boris. and i think that what is for boris. and i think that what re eenrewrerw— for boris. and i think that what is particularly interesting and wner— is particularly interesting and wner rne— is particularly interesting and what the country might want to rwrn— what the country might want to rwrn tre— what the country might want to turn its attention— what the country might want to turn its attention to is the manner of his— turn its attention to is the manner of his removal. because we newe— manner of his removal. because we newe nee— manner of his removal. because we newe nee rn— manner of his removal. because we have had in this— we have had in this parliamentary committee what i eeeere— parliamentary committee what i some people call— parliamentary committee what i some people call it, a kangaroo eewrr— some people call it, a kangaroo eewrr .— some people call it, a kangaroo eewrr . r— some people call it, a kangaroo eewrr . r newe— some people call it, a kangaroo court . i have rather more court. i have rather more reeeeer— court. i have rather more reeeeer rer— court. i have rather more respect for kangaroos , um, and i respect for kangaroos, um, and i prefer— respect for kangaroos, um, and i were re— respect for kangaroos, um, and i were re eru— respect for kangaroos, um, and i prefer to call it— respect for kangaroos, um, and i prefer to call it a— respect for kangaroos, um, and i prefer to call it a show trial eeeewee— prefer to call it a show trial eeeewee r— prefer to call it a show trial because i think— prefer to call it a show trial because i think that gets to the nwe— because i think that gets to the nwe er— because i think that gets to the nwe er wner— because i think that gets to the nub of what has— because i think that gets to the nub of what has happened

erreerrwew— nub of what has happened effectively the— nub of what has happened effectively the non law more or a effectively the non law more or e enen — effectively the non law more or e enen er— effectively the non law more or e enen er rew— effectively the non law more or a sham of law has— effectively the non law more or a sham of law has been used to rene— a sham of law has been used to reree e— a sham of law has been used to force a member— a sham of law has been used to force a member of— a sham of law has been used to force a member of parliament to reign— force a member of parliament to reign en— force a member of parliament to reeren en by— force a member of parliament to resign an by people who are his eerrrreer— resign an by people who are his political enemies. _ resign an by people who are his political enemies. and i can say rner— political enemies. and i can say rner rr— political enemies. and i can say that it because— political enemies. and i can say that it because of— political enemies. and i can say that it because of what they did ene— that it because of what they did end rrr— that it because of what they did and new rere— that it because of what they did and i'll take your— that it because of what they did and i'll take your audience rnrewen— and i'll take your audience through that— and i'll take your audience through that and very happy to go through that and very happy to 90 rnrewen— through that and very happy to 90 rnrewen rne— through that and very happy to go through the detail . but of go through the detail. but of course, to the— go through the detail. but of course, to the to— go through the detail. but of course, to the to the to the erernew— course, to the to the to the ordinary viewer, _ course, to the to the to the ordinary viewer, that might eewne— ordinary viewer, that might eewne .— ordinary viewer, that might sound , um, dramatic or sound, um, dramatic or nweereerre— sound, um, dramatic or hyperbolic because they would rnerrnerrwerw— hyperbolic because they would instinctively trust parliament ene— instinctively trust parliament and renewe— instinctively trust parliament and believe that parliament had renewed— and believe that parliament had renewed rn— and believe that parliament had behaved in an— and believe that parliament had behaved in an honourable or just behaved in an honourable orjust way— behaved in an honourable orjust way we— behaved in an honourable orjust way they wouldn't— behaved in an honourable orjust way they wouldn't understand rner— way they wouldn't understand that parliament— way they wouldn't understand that parliament rewrote the eerrnrrren— that parliament rewrote the definition of— that parliament rewrote the definition of the wrong after we— definition of the wrong after rnew erre— definition of the wrong after they said that— definition of the wrong after they said that it— definition of the wrong after they said that it had occurred , they said that it had occurred, rnew— they said that it had occurred, rnew wewre— they said that it had occurred, they would expect that parliament _ they would expect that parliament was investigating wnerner— parliament was investigating whether boris— parliament was investigating whether boris johnson intentionally misled parliament. they— intentionally misled parliament. rnew rne— intentionally misled parliament. they the normal— intentionally misled parliament. they the normal ordinary public, wewre— they the normal ordinary public, wewre ner— they the normal ordinary public, would not would— they the normal ordinary public, would not would not assume that rerrrenenr— would not would not assume that parliament had— would not would not assume that parliament had simply thrown rner— parliament had simply thrown rner ewr— parliament had simply thrown rner ewr rne— parliament had simply thrown that out the window and said, oh wett— that out the window and said, oh werr .— that out the window and said, oh werr , we-rr— that out the window and said, oh well, we'll invent— that out the window and said, oh well, we'll invent this new idea

rner— well, we'll invent this new idea rner wew— well, we'll invent this new idea rner wew cen— well, we'll invent this new idea that you can sort— well, we'll invent this new idea that you can sort of recklessly lie that you can sort of recklessly we . — that you can sort of recklessly we . rew— that you can sort of recklessly we . vew cen— that you can sort of recklessly lie . you can-that- that you can sort of recklessly lie . you can-that that lie. you can guess that that will terribly exciting. but. will be terribly exciting. but. stephen, stephen, sorry to interrupt. sorry to interrupt, but people would say that when they hear you say this, they would say , well, it's would say, well, it's a committee that has many tory politicians on it too. is it all a stitch up or is boris johnson the architect of his own demise here? he's not a victim. well, what matters is to— ”r“c;c;?’ c; , cc well, what matters is to always and erren— what matters is to always and erren wnen— what matters is to always and often when boris— what matters is to always and often when boris is involved in the often when boris is involved in rne ererw— often when boris is involved in rne ererw ne— often when boris is involved in the story, he does— often when boris is involved in the story, he does rather cloud rnrnee— the story, he does rather cloud things because _ the story, he does rather cloud things because as— the story, he does rather cloud things because as tom harwood nenrw— things because as tom harwood nenrrw ewe,— things because as tom harwood nenrrw eere, yew— things because as tom harwood rightly said, you know, he's a meter— rightly said, you know, he's a meter rene— rightly said, you know, he's a major force for— rightly said, you know, he's a major force for attention. �*rw�*“3 major force for attention. what has reen— major force for attention. what has been happening would be unjust if it happened to any mp. it would be utterly unjust if it happened to any of us and it can't happen to any of us because we're not inside parliament or outside parliament. we have courts and we have justice and we have the rule of law. what the parliamentary committee did was drive coach horses through drive a coach and horses through all can do that all of them. now it can do that because of the bill of rights in

1689. that means that the courts can't make parliament behave . so can't make parliament behave. so you've really got to think of parliament like a sort of a house where the parents have gone away and they've decided to behave so they can't be told to what do. so they've decided how they will behave and they're now behaving in this in this reckless that is completely reckless way that is completely outside the rule of law. stephen, i think a lot of outside the rule of law. - stephen, i think a lot of people wewre—wrrn- would have sympathy with that wew— would have sympathy with that wew-wrrn— view and agree with you wholeheartedly . woodward, wholeheartedly. shaun woodward, former mp, what is your former labour mp, what is your reaction to what stephen said there? because there are people who do think there is an establishment stitch up at play here. they may also think at the same time that boris johnson should hang up his political gloves . no should hang up his political gloves. no i think you're in danger of or talking to yourselves out there in the country. boris johnson yourselves out there in the country. borisjohnson is country. boris johnson is nrererw— country. boris johnson is nrererw. rr— country. borisjohnson is history. it was— country. borisjohnson is history. it was a- c3 boris johnson is history. it was a majority of conservative— history. it was a majority of conservative mps that actually eenrrerree— conservative mps that actually controlled the _ conservative mps that actually controlled the house of commons. t hey— controlled the house of commons. rnew eewre— controlled the house of commons. they eewre newe— controlled the house of commons. they could have stopped this going— they could have stopped this going-privileges- going to the privileges committee _ going to the privileges committee - going to the privileges committee 37” . ; committee the privileges committee the privileges committee is seven members.

it's conservatives, two, it's four conservatives, two, rnee— it's four conservatives, two, rnree ernere. — it's four conservatives, two, three others. i— it's four conservatives, two, three others. i mean, at the end of three others. i mean, at the end er rne— three others. i mean, at the end er rne rew— three others. i mean, at the end er rne daye rr— three others. i mean, at the end of the day, if boris— three others. i mean, at the end of the day, if boris johnson and we knew— of the day, if boris johnson and we know boris— of the day, if boris johnson and we know boris well , of the day, if boris johnson and we know boris well, he's an extraordinary— we know boris well, he's an extraordinary person in so many wewe. — extraordinary person in so many wewe. rwr— extraordinary person in so many ways. but.boris_ extraordinary person in so many ways. c ways. but if boris actually thought that he could win a by—election, even if that's what would have been the outcome of all of this, if he'd have stayed, he knows he can't because the country gave up on him and it's moved on. and i think what's slightly extraordinary about this conversation is it's in danger of stuff for the birds as the country. now, if we look at all the polls, is giving the labour party a whacking great lead . party a whacking great lead. rishi sunak is doing his best to try and hold on and rebuild confidence in the government . at confidence in the government. at the same time, the conservative party has launched now into a combination of a nervous breakdown and civil war. everybody, for themselves, running for the lifeboats, the men pushing the women and children away to get on the boat first, to cause a by—election if you care about your political

party, how on earth do two more people on top of boris johnson help the conservative party win the next general election? all i can say is that this is now a spectator sport. people might be in the labour party to some extent , really just need to sit extent, really just need to sit back and just watch the fireworks go off because what stephen says is very interesting, but it's detached from the real world. boris johnson is not popular in the country. if he was popular, we know boris , he'd stand. and know boris, he'd stand. and because he believes he could win. the reason boris isn't standing in his seat in a by—election for air or unfair caused by the privileges committee is he knows he can't win. i committee is he knows he can't win . i mean, stephen coming back win. i mean, stephen coming back to win. i mean, stephen coming back re wner— win. i mean, stephen coming back re wner seen— win. i mean, stephen coming back to what sean said— “ i mean, stephen coming back to what sean said there, he's nenr— to what sean said there, he's nenr .— to what sean said there, he's nenr . rr— to what sean said there, he's right. if boris— to what sean said there, he's right . if boris johnson. no, to what sean said there, he's right . if borisjohnson. no, no right. if boris johnson. no, no .rner— right. if boris johnson. no, no .rner re— right. if boris johnson. no, no .rner re rner— right. if boris johnson. no, no , that is that is— right. if boris johnson. no, no , that is that is his personal eernren— , that is that is his personal eernren re— , that is that is his personal eernren re ne— , that is that is his personal opinion is no .— , that is that is his personal opinion is no . but his opinion is no. but his eeewrenrw— opinion is no. but his popularity ratings aren't exeerw— popularity ratings aren't exeerw ery— popularity ratings aren't exactly sky high at the moment, exactly sky hiin at the moment, are exactly sky high at the moment, rnewe— exactly sky high at the moment,

they? ane— exactly sky high at the moment, are they? and people within the ceneerwerrwe— are they? and people within the conservative party, conservative members, well,— conservative party, conservative members, well, conservative nernereeree.— members, well, conservative members, too, don't want boris johnson— members, too, don't want boris renneen re— members, too, don't want boris johnson to reappear as leader any— johnson to reappear as leader enw nne— johnson to reappear as leader enw rrne eeen— johnson to reappear as leader any time soon. there's polling tren— any time soon. there's polling from conservative— any time soon. there's polling from conservative home to back rner— from conservative home to back rner we.— from conservative home to back rner we. sreenen— from conservative home to back that up. stephen, are we are you at that up. stephen, are we are you er new— that up. stephen, are we are you er new er— that up. stephen, are we are you at risk of living— that up. stephen, are we are you at risk of living in— that up. stephen, are we are you at risk of living in the past neree — at risk of living in the past neree we.— at risk of living in the past neree we. r— at risk of living in the past here? no, i mean,- at risk of living in the past here? \rcr “ at risk of living in the past- here? no, i mean, i'm certainly not because i'm not arguing for or against boris johnson. what i'm saying is that the rule of law matters, even if unjust things are done to unpopular people. i mean, if borisjohnson people. i mean, if boris johnson was suddenly the least popular person in the world, it would still matter to law and justice that the chair of the committee , harriet harman, had found him guilty before the committee made up its mind, she had publicly stated he was guilty. it would still matter that they had rewritten the offence. it would still matter that three members of the committee voted for margaret ferrier to receive a nine day suspension , and yet nine day suspension, and yet conveniently , we are told that conveniently, we are told that bofis conveniently, we are told that boris was to be given a ten day

suspension for what is on any objective analysis , a lesser objective analysis, a lesser offence and it would always matter. i mean, whether you care about this stuff is your personal political opinion . so personal political opinion. so when i say matter, i'm not trying to say you have to parade in the streets and actually care, but i'm not ever going to stop pointing out a show trial if it was to this gentleman and he was still an mp, he can rest assured i would be telling the world it was a show trial of him. it would be true or not. well , sean. him. it would be true or not. well, sean. no, no . emily, it's well, sean. no, no. emily, it's really important point here because , you know, you can because, you know, you can lambast harriet harman as much as you want , lambast harriet harman as much as you want, but there are four conservatives of the seven members on this committee. and when i was last at school, four is a majority. right if the four members of the conservative party share stephen's view , then party share stephen's view, then it doesn't matter what harriet harman thinks. but they don't. and what i think we're going to see here is i'm afraid it's the

end. and i think for me, what's sad and i was you know, i'm old enough to have been around when margaret thatcher went and i was then a bbc journalist. but i have to say to you that what's interesting here is boris has brought this about for himself . brought this about for himself. but crucially, mrs. thatcher arguably brought about her own downfall, too. but the way she went was with with extraordinary dignity. and i think what is really most striking about what's happening right now is this is sort of like wagner's twilight of the gods. i mean, the pillars of the temple are being torn down by boris and those around him, like nadine dorries . and instead of this man dorries. and instead of this man going, he's been prime minister, he deserves some respect , right? he deserves some respect, right? but at the moment, people like me might be prepared to give him respect . he's so busy me might be prepared to give him respect. he's so busy tearing it all down. so we're now commenting on that and i think forever in my mind will be that last debate after mrs. thatcher went in the house of commons,

when dennis skinner stood up to attack her and she responded to dennis skinner by saying, i'm enjoying this , i'm enjoying enjoying this, i'm enjoying this. and she had the support of the whole house. and what is extraordinary in this moment, in this twilight of the gods, wagnerian, shakespeare , syrian wagnerian, shakespeare, syrian moment is that boris instead of going like a dignified prime minister is simply saying, i'm going to sink the boat. minister is simply saying, i'm going to sink the boat . and that going to sink the boat. and that is what is so extraordinary . and is what is so extraordinary. and i think what history will actually recall here won't be the interstices of harriet harman and the privileges committee . it will be how committee. it will be how somebody who has been prime minister of our country , he's minister of our country, he's been our prime minister i'm a labour politician, but he's been our prime minister. what is going to i think, be very sad here is how he leaves . well, and here is how he leaves. well, and that i think is really for the long term , we shall see. we long term, we shall see. we history will judge him on. i'm very interested that fantastic

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boris forms- been economical with the truth. steve boris forms a new steve says if boris forms a new party— steve says if boris forms a new eenw wrrn— steve says if boris forms a new eenw wrrn er— steve says if boris forms a new party with or without cakes, it wru— party with or without cakes, it wrrr only— party with or without cakes, it wrrr enw ee— party with or without cakes, it will only be project to will only be a project to eenerere— will only be a project to generate politician salary. generate a politician salary. swen— generate a politician salary. swen-eewre- generate a politician salary. such could never be a such a party could never be a rnree— such a party could never be a range enough— such a party could never be a large enough to— such a party could never be a large enough to form a government. - large enough to form a government. probably true, pam eewe— government. probably true, pam eewe weer— government. probably true, pam eewe nigel ene— government. probably true, pam says nigel and boris , you are says nigel and boris, you are rnre— says nigel and boris, you are rnre eewnrw-e— says nigel and boris, you are this country's only hope. well, rnere— this country's only hope. well, rnere wew— this country's only hope. well, rnere wew 90- — this country's only hope. well, there you go. keep your views eenrne— there you go. keep your views coming-please— there you go. keep your views coming please subscribe coming in. please do subscribe to coming in. please do subscribei re—rerrew to our youtube channel. follow us to our youtube channel. follow weee—w— to our youtube channel. follow weere—w er- to our youtube channel. follow weere—w er en- to our youtube channel. followi us_we're at gb news. us on twitter. we're at gb news. wew— us on twitter. we're at gb news. wew ere— us on twitter. we're at gb news. you are watching— us on twitter. we're at gb news. you are watching and listening to you are watching and listening re ee— you are watching and listening re en wewe— you are watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver.— to gb news sunday with me, emily cerwer. we-we— to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. we've-lots— to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. we've lots more carver. we've got lots more eenrne— carver. we've got lots more enter up— carver. we've got lots more eenrne we en— carver. we've got lots more coming up on today's show, a erwew—nee study by migration watch has fewer— study by migration watch has rewne rne— study by migration watch has found the uk— study by migration watch has found the uk population is on course to rise— found the uk population is on course to rise by— found the uk population is on course to rise by nearly 16

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mire. you're listening to gb news radio . welcome back to gb news radio. welcome back to gb wewe— news radio. welcome back to gb wewe swneew— news radio. welcome back to gb news sunday with— news radio. welcome back to gb news sunday with me,— \r 13: welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver— news sunday with me, emily cerwer en— news sunday with me, emily cerwer en wew— news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv online and rerne.— carver on your tv online and were se— carver on your tv online and were se e— carver on your tv online and radio. so a peaceful protest is renne— radio. so a peaceful protest is renne prece— radio. so a peaceful protest is taking place in— radio. so a peaceful protest is taking place in portland today eeerner— taking place in portland today eeetner errn.— taking place in portland today against bibi. the— taking place in portland today against bibi. the barge , which against bibi. the barge, which is against bibi. the barge, which re re— against bibi. the barge, which re re re— against bibi. the barge, which re re re weee— against bibi. the barge, which is to be used to— against bibi. the barge, which is to be used to house asylum eeeewre— is to be used to house asylum eeeewre err— is to be used to house asylum seekers off the _ is to be used to house asylum seekers off the dorset coast wner— seekers off the dorset coast ernee wrrn— seekers off the dorset coast armed with kayaks and paddle eeere— armed with kayaks and paddle eeere-rnerr— armed with kayaks and paddle boats, their message boats, sending their message rern— boats, sending their message across both land— boats, sending their message across both land and sea. so rere— across both land and sea. so were eee— across both land and sea. so let's cross straight to portland to let's cross straight to portland re-wew— let's cross straight to portland re-wew rereer- let's cross straight to portland to very latest from the to get the very latest from the erereer— to get the very latest from the erereer wrrn— to get the very latest from the protest with news southwest protest with gb news southwest reeerrer— protest with gb news southwest reeerrer jeff— protest with gb news southwest reporter jeff moody. jeff, wner-e— reporter jeff moody. jeff, wner-e-en- reporter jeff moody. jeff, what's on down there ? what's going on down there? wew.— what's going on down there? wew. wee— what's going on down there? well, yes, another day, another erereer— well, yes, another day, another erereer nere— well, yes, another day, another protest here in— well, yes, another day, another protest here in portland were exeeerrne— protest here in portland were exeeerrne rne— protest here in portland were expecting the stockholm barge to r— expecting the stockholm barge to arrive on, i think,— expecting the stockholm barge to arrive on, i think, the 17th of rwne. — arrive on, i think, the 17th of rwne. se— arrive on, i think, the 17th of rwne. se tre— arrive on, i think, the 17th of june. so it's not- arrive on, i think, the 17th of june. c3 “; c. june. so it's not coming quite yet. but when it does come, it will dock just behind us here in portland port. they're saying

that to start with, there'll be 50 migrants on board and then that'll gradually rise month by month until we get the full quota of 500. well, the people of portland have been out in force today to say no to the barge . alex bailey is one of the barge. alex bailey is one of the organisers. he's the main organisers. he's the main organiser of the event. alex you're getting a lot of support locally, a lot of people very angry still about this . are they angry still about this. are they do they feel that they're being heard ? no, they don't . the last heard? no, they don't. the last meeting with the portland town council on tuesday , many council on tuesday, many questions were asked, but unfortunately not many answers. internationally . sorry. internationally. sorry. nationally, though , there have nationally, though, there have been a lot saying no to the barge. i'm aware that sadiq wnen— barge. i'm aware that sadiq rnen newer— barge. i'm aware that sadiq khan, mayor of— 333;c; i'm aware that sadiq khan, mayor of london, has 33cr;c; i'm aware that sadiq khan, mayor of london, has been efferen— khan, mayor of london, has been erreree ewr— khan, mayor of london, has been offered but declined. now that is offered but declined. now that e e— offered but declined. now that e e errw— offered but declined. now that e e errw er— offered but declined. now that is a city of millions. offered but declined. now that is a city of millions . how can is a city of millions. how can rnew— is a city of millions. how can rnew ner— is a city of millions. how can rnew ner bring— is a city of millions. how can they not bring what is the rneweene— they not bring what is the thousand asylum seekers into rnerr— thousand asylum seekers into their infrastructure? while as rnre—

their infrastructure? while as this community— their infrastructure? while as this community he is 14,000? how are we meant to— this community he is 14,000? how are we meant to absorb the 500 ane— are we meant to absorb the 500 and renrene— are we meant to absorb the 500 and portland port— are we meant to absorb the 500 and portland port is right in rne— and portland port is right in rne eenre— and portland port is right in the centre of— and portland port is right in the centre of portland, isn't rre — the centre of portland, isn't rre rnew— the centre of portland, isn't it? they literally- the centre of portland, isn't it? c the centre of portland, isn't it? they literally you walk out of the port and you're straight in the middle of a high street. you're middle of you're straight in the middle of houses. you're straight in the middle of houses . talking to lot of houses. talking to a lot of people today, there's people here today, there's a great deal of concern about the way people are going to way these people are going to integrate in a community down here that really isn't diverse at all, is it? i would agree. ren— at all, is it? i would agree. rerr twer— at all, is it? i would agree. jeff just thinking- c?’ iwould agree. jeff just thinking about the area itself,— jeff just thinking about the area itself, the— jeff just thinking about the area itself, the only mosques rner—e— area itself, the only mosques rner—e wew- area itself, the only mosques that—a very smallj that we have is a very small enelrner— that we have is a very small enelrner re— that we have is a very small one,-that is in- that we have is a very small one, that is in weymouth one, and that is in weymouth reen— one, and that is in weymouth rreerr. rne— one, and that is in weymouth itself. the community here, rnewen— itself. the community here, rnewen rr— itself. the community here, rnewen rr re— itself. the community here, though it is not— itself. the community here, though it is not prepared, it is not though it is not prepared, it is ner erweree. — though it is not prepared, it is not diverse. it— though it is not prepared, it is not diverse. it does not have rne— not diverse. it does not have the amenities.— not diverse. it does not have the amenities. the restaurant, the amenities. the restaurant, rne ewrrwre— the amenities. the restaurant, the culture that— the amenities. the restaurant, the culture that these would be weee — the culture that these would be weee re. — the culture that these would be weee re. wew— the culture that these would be used to. now now,— the culture that these would be used to. now now, that has yet to used to. now now, that has yet re re— used to. now now, that has yet to be addressed— used to. now now, that has yet to be addressed .— used to. now now, that has yet to be addressed . and there are to be addressed. and there are going— to be addressed. and there are going re— to be addressed. and there are going re re— to be addressed. and there are going to be buses— to be addressed. and there are going to be buses put on, but for going to be buses put on, but rer e— going to be buses put on, but rer e ennu— going to be buses put on, but for a small mosque to be able to nenere— for a small mosque to be able to nenere wner— for a small mosque to be able to handle what could— for a small mosque to be able to handle what could be up to 506 rnerwewere— handle what could be up to 506 individuals looking to worship, it's individuals looking to worship,

rr-e ner— individuals looking to worship, it's not enough— individuals looking to worship, it's not enough . _ individuals looking to worship, it's not enough . gcne< it's not enough. alex, thank you very much indeed. and of course, it's not just the mosque and their their places of worship. it's also how they looked after their their places of worship. it'rterms how they looked after their their places of worship. it'rterms hothealth looked after their their places of worship. it'rterms hothealth carezd after their their places of worship. it'rterms hothealth care asafter their their places of worship. it'rterms hothealth care as well. in terms of health care as well. there are two gps on the island and people are saying, well, how are they going to be able to cope when they've got an extra 500 people look after ? and 500 people to look after? and there are more protests planned down here in the coming weeks and months . and although the and months. and although the barge isn't due here till the 17th, there is still a hope amongst the people here that something can be done and they can say no to the barge and actually be heard . back now to actually be heard. back now to you in the studio . thank you you in the studio. thank you very you in the studio. thank you wew nwen— you in the studio. thank you very much indeed.- you in the studio. thank you very much indeed. jeff- “ c thank you very much indeed. jeff moody rnee— very much indeed. jeff moody rnere en— very much indeed. jeff moody there gb news— very much indeed. jeff moody there gb news south—west. neeerrer— there gb news south—west. neeerrer rr— there gb news south—west. reporter it does— there gb news south—west. reporter it does seem like reeere— reporter it does seem like reeere ere— reporter it does seem like locals are rarely heard, but rnew-re— locals are rarely heard, but they're making— locals are rarely heard, but they're making their voices newe— they're making their voices neere wrrn— they're making their voices heard with us— they're making their voices heard with us anyway . now moving heard with us anyway. now moving on heard with us anyway. now moving en re— heard with us anyway. now moving en re eenernrne— heard with us anyway. now moving on to something related and eeeererne— on to something related and needing re— on to something related and according to migration watch , a according to migration watch, a erwew— according to migration watch, a erwew by— according to migration watch, a study by migration watch. if net nrererren— study by migration watch. if net migration continues at the ereeenr— migration continues at the present level— migration continues at the present level and the birth rate rew— present level and the birth rate remains low as— present level and the birth rate remains low as is,— present level and the birth rate remains low as is, the eeewrerren— remains low as is, the population could increase eerween— population could increase eerween re — population could increase

between to between 83 and 87 mitten— between to between 83 and 87 nrrrren by— between to between 83 and 87 million by 2046. _ between to between 83 and 87 million by 2046. that comes as reeenr— million by 2046. that comes as reeenr rrewree— million by 2046. that comes as recent figures show the number of recent figures show the number er ne— recent figures show the number er nenee— recent figures show the number of new homes granted planning eernreeren— of new homes granted planning eernreeren rn— of new homes granted planning permission in england has eerreeeee— permission in england has collapsed to— permission in england has collapsed to lowest level collapsed to its lowest level ernee— collapsed to its lowest level rne— collapsed to its lowest level since the 2008— collapsed to its lowest level since the 2008 final financial enere— since the 2008 final financial enere .— since the 2008 final financial enere . ee— since the 2008 final financial crisis . go gofigure. how does crisis. go gofigure. how does rnre— crisis. go gofigure. how does rnre err— crisis. go gofigure. how does rnre err eee— crisis. go gofigure. how does this all add up?— crisis. go gofigure. how does this all add up? how can you newe— this all add up? how can you newe e— this all add up? how can you newe e nwee— this all add up? how can you have a huge population increase and ner— have a huge population increase and ner een— have a huge population increase and not even build— have a huge population increase and not even build houses? so ternrne— and not even build houses? so ternrne ne— and not even build houses? so ternrne me new— and not even build houses? so joining me now is— and not even build houses? so joining me now is immigration eenewrrenr— joining me now is immigration consultant dean— joining me now is immigration consultant dean morgan. dean rnenw— consultant dean morgan. dean rnenw yew— consultant dean morgan. dean rnenw yew wew— consultant dean morgan. dean thank you very much indeed for ternrne— thank you very much indeed for ternrne ne— thank you very much indeed for ternrne rewr— thank you very much indeed for joining me. your reaction to rnre— joining me. your reaction to rnre erwey— joining me. your reaction to this study that— joining me. your reaction to this study that shows if nrererren— this study that shows if migration levels stay at the ewe— migration levels stay at the ever we— migration levels stay at the level they are— migration levels stay at the level they are now , now we could level they are now, now we could rne— level they are now, now we could see the population— level they are now, now we could see the population explode . see the population explode. ween.— see the population explode. ween. r— see the population explode. ween. r wnern— see the population explode. yeah, i mean, it's— see the population explode. yeah, i mean, it's shocking. let's be honest. i mean, the story that came preceded this one, you know, is a microcos . one, you know, is a microcos. some of the problems that we face in the uk. i mean, all of it links back to government, in my government my opinion, and government policy. um, know, my opinion, and government policy . um, know, how can policy. um, you know, how can you— policy. um, you know, how can yew ner— policy. um, you know, how can yew ner rewir— c3 um, you know, how can you not build enough houses? rne— you not build enough houses? rne newerne— you not build enough houses? the housing problem.- you not build enough houses? the housing problem. i'm- you not build enough houses? the housing problem. i'm 44 years old, born in 1979. um, and there's always been a housing

crisis in this country. there's always been a housing crisis in this country . you crisis in this country. you know, one reason possibly could be that the in power, the be that the people in power, the largest landowners and housing owners the country, they owners in the country, they don't want to dilute their investment assume the investment. i assume that's the reason for whichever party comes in. we have the same problem. and then with net migration at 606,000 last year, i mean, that's just not sustainable. i mean , dean, not to venture into mean, dean, not to venture into eeneerreey— mean, dean, not to venture into eeneerreey. ewr— mean, dean, not to venture into conspiracy, but do— mean, dean, not to venture into conspiracy, but do you think rr-e— conspiracy, but do you think it's deliberate— conspiracy, but do you think it's deliberate that the government - it's deliberate that the government is has migration at ewen— government is has migration at ewen nen— government is has migration at such high levels— government is has migration at such high levels incompetence such hiin levels incompetence for such high levels incompetence rer ee— such high levels incompetence rer ee neny— such high levels incompetence for so many decades? c3“ for so many decades? can you not refere— for so many decades? can you not before you have to start looking for other reasons ? there's never for other reasons? there's never been enough housing stock since the end of the second world war with the rebuilding and moving everyone out of so why everyone out of london. so why are we in 2023? the year it should be? jetsons was told when i growing in the 80s and i was growing up in the 80s and there's still a housing crisis. a crisis, a cost a migrant crisis, a cost of living crisis . you know, an nhs living crisis. you know, an nhs crisis could keep going, couldn't i? well, yes. and crisis could keep going, couldn't i? well, yes . and what couldn't i? well, yes. and what other couldn't i? well, yes. and what erner rnrnee— couldn't i? well, yes. and what other things would— couldn't i? well, yes. and what other things would be- c: “ c 7’ 333c 333 and what other things would be impacted by ewen— other things would be impacted by ewen e— other things would be impacted ey ewen e nee— other things would be impacted by such a rise in— other things would be impacted by such a rise in population? eeeewee— by such a rise in population?

because this— by such a rise in population? because this is— by such a rise in population? because this is 2046. now this, of because this is 2046. now this, er re— because this is 2046. now this, of course, is if— because this is 2046. now this, of course, is if immigration revere— of course, is if immigration rewere erey— of course, is if immigration levels stay at— of course, is if immigration levels stay at where they are ene— levels stay at where they are and were— levels stay at where they are and were e— levels stay at where they are and that's a big— levels stay at where they are and that's a big if it may be rner— and that's a big if it may be rner rne— and that's a big if it may be that the government and future eeernenre— that the government and future governments decide to clamp down ewrre— governments decide to clamp down we nene— governments decide to clamp down we nere .— governments decide to clamp down quite hard , although there's quite hard, although there's no rewr— quite hard, although there's no eer-re— quite hard, although there's no rear-re eweeeer- quite hard, although there's no real to suggest that real indication to suggest that war— real indication to suggest that rner wru— real indication to suggest that that will happen— real indication to suggest that that will happen . but what other that will happen. but what other rnerreerrene— that will happen. but what other implications-?- that will happen. but what other implications-? of- implications are there? of course, there's— implications are there? of course, there's implications on eeerer— course, there's implications on social cohesion. _ course, there's implications on social cohesion. also things wre— social cohesion. also things we wre— social cohesion. also things like water, transportation , even like water, transportation, even if like water, transportation, even it wewe— like water, transportation, even if we've mentioned housing. but wner— if we've mentioned housing. but we eree— if we've mentioned housing. but we eree e — if we've mentioned housing. but what else ? well,— if we've mentioned housing. but what else ? �*fw�*cge what else? well, obviously you have to get rid of social social welfare because mean we're 2 trillion in debt. i mean , the trillion in debt. i mean, the bank of england and the government decided to make the money printer go , which just led money printer go, which just led to hyperinflation or leading to it. and so that's led to the cost of living crisis. you know, there's too many pounds chasing too few and services. i'm too few goods and services. i'm not an economic economist. i'm not an economic economist. i'm not an economic economist. i'm not a government minister. but again , you and i could sit here again, you and i could sit here today and we could probably get a paper start a piece of paper and start putting of right . i putting a lot of this right. i mean, figures on mean, those figures on the 606,000, a caveat there 606,000, there is a caveat there . ukraine is extraordinary . ukraine is an extraordinary event.

. ukraine is an extraordinary event . and so was us having to event. and so was us having to pay event. and so was us having to pay on the deal we made with china in 1997 to accept people that didn't want to roll. so take them out . but the dependent take them out. but the dependent side of things is shocking. but the thing that disappoints me the thing that disappoints me the most is that this isn't going to change because i can't see how any leader, you know, we've got an unelected prime minister now for a start, minister right now for a start, and who's going to come in and change this? i mean, keir starmer's is to go starmer's policy is to go and destroy the environment in the green you know, start green belt land. you know, start building on green belt. we've green belt land. you know, start builcgot on green belt. we've green belt land. you know, start builcgot on drivei belt. we've green belt land. you know, start builcgot on drive throughie've green belt land. you know, start builcgot on drive through east only got to drive through east london land. london to see all the land. you know, landowners that don't know, the landowners that don't develop so many different innovative ideas could be used here. you could have trade deals where you could we're not where you could say, we're not going with another going to trade with another country unless they accept their people then people back. and that would then mean don't have to mean that people don't have to be in central africa, be dumped off in central africa, which morally. well, that's which is morally. well, that's rner-e— which is morally. well, that's rner-elwery— which is morally. well, that's that'slvery that's- that's a very that's a very rnrereerrne— that's a very that's a very interesting idea, dean, because weewern-enenr- we have the government eerenerrne— we have the government. scrambling—these scrambling around for these eereenenre— scrambling around for these agreements with other countries. rnere— agreements with other countries. rnere-re — agreements with other countries. rnere-re re— agreements with other countries. rnere-re be en— agreements with other countries. there -to be an incentive. there needs to be an incentive and financial one is, of and a financial one is, of course, probably the best way to

go.thank course, probably the best way to go. thank you very much indeed . go. thank you very much indeed. that's all we've got time for. sorry, dean morgan sorry, dean. dean morgan there. immigration and talking sorry, dean. dean morgan there. imthroughn and talking sorry, dean. dean morgan there. imthrough those and talking sorry, dean. dean morgan there. imthrough those shockingalking us through those shocking reports. well, a study from migration watch saying that the population increase by 16 population could increase by 16 million people by 2046 if immigration stays at the levels it is now . now, well, you're it is now. now, well, you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carville. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. the duke of sussex has landed back in flying in los angeles after his flying visit to uk give evidence visit to the uk to give evidence , of course, in his high court phone hacking against phone hacking case against mirror group newspapers . it's mirror group newspapers. it's been week. what's been a bruising week. what's next for the prince? but first, let's get the news with rory smith . thank you very much, smith. thank you very much, emily. we're going to start with ereewne— emily. we're going to start with some breaking news— 3 we're going to start with some breaking news on six boys and— some breaking news on six boys and two— some breaking news on six boys and two girls— some breaking news on six boys and two girls have— some breaking news on six boys and two girls have been arrested on suspicion— and two girls have been arrested on suspicion of— and two girls have been arrested on suspicion of murder after a 16 on suspicion of murder after a «a year— on suspicion of murder after a «a year om— on suspicion of murder after a 16 year old was— on suspicion of murder after a 16 year old was stabbed in bath yesterday. — 16 year old was stabbed in bath yesterday. avon— 16 year old was stabbed in bath yesterday. avon and somerset ponce— yesterday. avon and somerset ponce says—

yesterday. avon and somerset pouss says a— yesterday. avon and somerset police says a 35— yesterday. avon and somerset police says a 35 year old woman also— police says a 35 year old woman was also injured.— police says a 35 year old woman was also injured. the arrested children— was also injured. the arrested siiiiisa ais— was also injured. the arrested children are between 15 and 17 yeas— children are between 15 and 17 years are. — children are between 15 and 17 years old. we'll— children are between 15 and 17 years old. we'll bring you more on years old. we'll bring you more are arrai— years old. we'll bring you more are riar as— years old. we'll bring you more are riar as we— years old. we'll bring you more on that as we get— years old. we'll bring you more on that as we get it. years old. we'll bring you more on that as we get it . well, on that as we get it. well, areiier— on that as we get it. well, another breaking news, three eririsir— another breaking news, three british tourists _ another breaking news, three british tourists are missing are— british tourists are missing are a— british tourists are missing after a dive— british tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames— after a dive boat burst into iiames irr— after a dive boat burst into flames in the— after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off egypt . oriieiais— flames in the red sea off egypt . officials say— flames in the red sea off egypt . officials say 12— flames in the red sea off egypt . officials say 12 britons were rescued— . officials say 12 britons were rescued along— . officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian arri— rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides.— rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides. the foreign office— crew and guides. the foreign office has— crew and guides. the foreign office has confirmed it's in eerraer— office has confirmed it's in contact with— office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities - contact with egyptian authorities and assisting those irveivei— authorities and assisting those irveivei as— authorities and assisting those involved as well. _ authorities and assisting those involved as well. another news iris— involved as well. another news this afternoon— involved as well. another news this afternoon ,_ involved as well. another news this afternoon , one of boris this afternoon, one of boris iairrrseris— this afternoon, one of boris johnson's allies— this afternoon, one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations— johnson's allies says the resignations of two tory mps was not resignations of two tory mps was eer a— resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated— resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated attempt to anienine— not a coordinated attempt to undermine the— not a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister. sir undermine the prime minister. sir iaeen— undermine the prime minister. sir jacob rees—mogg says there sirjacob rees—mogg says there is ne— sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no pier— sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no plot against— sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no plot against rishi sunak ani— is no plot against rishi sunak and ne— is no plot against rishi sunak and he believes— is no plot against rishi sunak and he believes he should remain reader.— and he believes he should remain ieaier. ne— and he believes he should remain leader. he also— and he believes he should remain leader. he also suggested mr rennsen— leader. he also suggested mr johnson could— leader. he also suggested mr johnson could return to westminster,- johnson could return to westminster, saying he could easiiy— westminster, saying he could easiiy ger— westminster, saying he could easily get back— westminster, saying he could easily get back into parliament at easily get back into parliament ar rne— easily get back into parliament ar rne near— easily get back into parliament at the next election . cm; easily get back into parliament at the next election . ont; at the next election. one always deserves— at the next election. one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretend , ed, that boris

me to pretend, ed, that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house of commons, none without no, not none is without fault. no, not our gracious queen. the same could be said of boris. none is without fault. no not our gracious boris. that that is true of all of us. yellow thunderstorm _ c»; yellow thunderstorm warnings have true of all of us. yellow- thunderstorm warnings have been issued— thunderstorm warnings have been issued as— thunderstorm warnings have been issued as temperatures continue to issued as temperatures continue re sini— issued as temperatures continue re eiini across— issued as temperatures continue to climb across the _ issued as temperatures continue to climb across the country. the iner— to climb across the country. the iier oriiee— to climb across the country. the met office says— to climb across the country. the met office says the— to climb across the country. the met office says the alerts arrear— met office says the alerts arreer pans— met office says the alerts affect parts of— met office says the alerts affect parts of scotland, nannern — affect parts of scotland, northern england affect parts of scotland,- northern-england and northern ireland, england and iraies— northern ireland, england and iraies ani— northern ireland, england and wales and will— northern ireland, england and wales and will be in force until snoo— wales and will be in force until 9:00-nne- 9:00 tomorrow night. temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees— temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees today— temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees today .— temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees today . that's the up 32 degrees today. that's the up to 32 degrees today. that's the up is rare.— 32 degrees today. that's the up is rare. nar— 32 degrees today. that's the up to date. but you— 32 degrees today. that's the up to date. but you can get more on all to date. but you can get more on aii ei— to date. but you can get more on aii or nose— to date. but you can get more on all of those stories— to date. but you can get more on all of those stories by visiting neisire— all of those stories by visiting our website at— all of those stories by visiting our website at gb— all of those stories by visiting our website at gb news dot com .

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f f c15 \ sunday with me, emily carver on your iv,— with me, emily carver on your iv, eniine— with me, emily carver on your tv, online and— with me, emily carver on your tv, online and digital radio . so tv, online and digital radio. so rearran— tv, online and digital radio. so football, manchester city have rneir— football, manchester city have won their first— football, manchester city have won their first ever champions ieaeae— won their first ever champions ieaeae ani— won their first ever champions league and the— won their first ever champions league and the treble after a i—o— league and the treble after a i—o-ever— league and the treble after a 1—o-over inter— league and the treble after a 1—0 over inter milan last 1—0 win over inter milan last nenr— 1—0 win over inter milan last nienr—ieeiri - 1—0 win over inter milan lasti night—rodri scored night in istanbul, rodri scored the night in istanbul, rodri scored rne eniy— night in istanbul, rodri scored rne eniy gear,— night in istanbul, rodri scored the only goal, capping an unforgettable— the only goal, capping an unforgettable season for pep eaariieia-s— unforgettable season for pep guardiola's side.— unforgettable season for pep guardiola's side. there you go . guardiola's side. there you go. joining— guardiola's side. there you go. raining ne— guardiola's side. there you go. raining me new— guardiola's side. there you go. joining me now is— guardiola's side. there you go. joining me now is sports broadcaster— joining me now is sports broadcaster aidan magee. tell me nne-s— broadcaster aidan magee. tell me ,nnar-s rne— broadcaster aidan magee. tell me , what's the significance of anis— , what's the significance of rnis rnen— , what's the significance of rnis rnen e — , what's the significance of this then .7 well,- , what's the significance of this then .7 �*fii�*iz;cc "it; , what's the significance of this then .7 �*fii�*iz;cc ”it; this then? well, you're a man united fan. you're probably this then? �*fii�*ricc ”iii: " air: you're probably not united fan. you're probably not old united fan. you're probably not eii eneaen— united fan. you're probably not eii eneaen re— " air: you're probably not old enough to remember them rising— old enough to remember them doing rne— old enough to remember them doing the treble— old enough to remember them doing the treble in 1999. that a nuis— doing the treble in 1999. that was a huge, huge— doing the treble in 1999. that was a huge, huge thing. local prayers— was a huge, huge thing. local aiayers coming— was a huge, huge thing. local players coming through beckham war,— players coming through beckham war, -ieeai— players coming through beckham weir-reeai .- players coming through beckham well,-local , but- players coming through beckham well, local , but he well, he wasn't local, but he was-ingra— well, he wasn't local, but he was-english. he- well, he wasn't local, but he was english. he came was still english. he came innuen— was still english. he came- rnreaen—nieky was still english. he came- throu1paul_nicky was still english. he came- throu1paul scholes- nicky was still english. he came throu1paul scholes they nicky butt, paul scholes they had charismatic— butt, paul scholes they had charismatic players all the charismatic players all over the rean— charismatic players all over the ream-rney— charismatic players all over the ream-rney insi— charismatic players all over the team they just pushed team and they just pushed themselves— team and they just pushed themselves over the line in the race— themselves over the line in the face ei— themselves over the line in the face or same— themselves over the line in the face of some, in— themselves over the line in the face of some, in the face of some enormous— face of some, in the face of some enormous competition, iiiiereni— some enormous competition, different, slightly for manchester been manchester city. they've been knocking—rer- knocking on the door for a numeri— knocking on the door for a narneri ei— knocking on the door for a number of years. they've underperformed europe. you underperformed in europe. you eeaiin-r— underperformed in europe. youi couldn't—united underperformed in europe. youi coulcint_united underperformed in europe. you coulcint they'd united underperformed in europe. you coulcint they'd been united back in 99. they'd been they'd been— back in 99. they'd been they'd been threatening— back in 99. they'd been they'd been threatening get to been threatening to get to iinais— been threatening to get to iinais-ien— been threatening to get to finals few years prior to finals for a few years prior to inan— finals for a few years prior to rnarlrnis— finals for a few years prior to that.-this time- finals for a few years prior to that. this time they failed that. but this time they failed rne— that. but this time they failed rne years— that. but this time they failed ins years age.— that. but this time they failed two years ago. last year they got— two years ago. last year they eer re— two years ago. last year they ear is a— two years ago. last year they ear is a — two years ago. last year they got to a semi final, had a big sanene— got to a semi final, had a big sansne rs— got to a semi final, had a big chance to do— got to a semi final, had a big chance to do it,— got to a semi final, had a big chance to do it, guardiola chance to do it, pep guardiola

said.— said. afterwards it felt like a massive-because- massive relief because for presriee— massive relief because for prestige purposes , manchester prestige purposes, manchester siry— prestige purposes, manchester cry—re- prestige purposes, manchester siry—re nin- prestige purposes, manchester siry—re win and city really needed to win the snanniens— city really needed to win the champions—to. city really needed to win thej champions—to do city really needed to win the- champions_to do the champions league and to do the nenre— champions league and to do the nenre-i— champions league and to do the rreiie-i-esine- champions league and to do the treble-i-going to- champions league and to do the treble i going to say, treble. as i was going to say, it-unprecedented- treble. as i was going to say, it unprecedented english it was unprecedented in english issiiaii— football. it's not quite unprecedented united unprecedented because united nene—ner- unprecedented because unitedi nene—nor nanpen done it, but it does not happen very— done it, but it does not happeni very—weir. very often. emily at all? well, no. very often. emily at all? well, nan-many— very often. emily at all? well, no. many disappointed no. and many disappointed manchester united fans out there, i say i'm a fan there, i am sure i say i'm a fan of manchester united . i mean, my of manchester united. i mean, my family have always supported manchester united. i have actually been to trafford, actually been to old trafford, though. yeah. at one point when i very young , i banned i was very young, i banned parking space there. i used to go for go to wembley sometimes for england yeah. england matches. yeah yeah. always so tell me always good. yeah. so tell me something what else do we something else. what else do we need know the football need to know about the football ? well, mean, look, it was. ? well, i mean, look, it was. it wasn-r— ? well, i mean, look, it was. it nasn-rlerear— 7’ well, i mean, look, it was. it wasn't great performance 7’ well, i mean, look, it was. it wazcity, great performance 7’ well, i mean, look, it was. it wazcity, gresometimesance 7’ well, i mean, look, it was. it wazcity, gresometimes that's by city, but sometimes that's insi— by city, but sometimes that's as new— by city, but sometimes that's as new ir— by city, but sometimes that's just how it goes. _ by city, but sometimes that's just how it goes. they rode rneir— just how it goes. they rode rneir insi— just how it goes. they rode their luck a _ just how it goes. they rode their luck a little bit. when you— their luck a little bit. when yea-naier- their luck a little bit. when- yea-naier-yea you win the major honours, you san-r— you win the major honours, you san-r-ie— you win the major honours, you san-r-ie ir— you win the major honours, you can't-do it without- can't really do it without a siise— can't really do it without a slice-having- can't really do it without a slice having said can't really do it without a- slice-having said that, slice of luck. having said that, insi— slice of luck. having said that, risk aside,— slice of luck. having said that, luck aside, the— slice of luck. having said that, luck aside, the best team won rne— luck aside, the best team won the tournament.— luck aside, the best team won the tournament. this is the best ssiiesrien— collection of footballers at any sini— collection of footballers at any sine—rne- club side. arguably in the nisrsry— club side. arguably in the nisrsry-eane. - club side. arguably in the- history-game. .could history of the game. you could measure them up against narseisna— measure them up against barcelona 2011. also managed barcelona in 2011. also managed by barcelona in 2011. also managed iy—eaariisia- by pep guardiola. guardiola erearesr— by pep guardiola. guardiola greatest manager of all time. visu— greatest manager of all time. visii .— greatest manager of all time. yieii . passiniy— greatest manager of all time. well , possibly he— greatest manager of all time. well , possibly he hasn't- greatest manager of all time. well, possibly he hasn't won.

he highest number he hasn't won the highest number of he hasn't won the highest number ear—nar- of champions leagues. but in reins— of champions leagues. but in reins-nes— of champions leagues. but in terms he's changed the terms of how he's changed the game— terms of how he's changed the game ani— terms of how he's changed the game and new— terms of how he's changed the game and how changes, game and how he changes, he's iniiaensei— game and how he changes, he's. influenced—and influenced so many managers and i influenced so many managers and i—rne- influenced so many managers and i—rne near- i think you'll see in the next ren— i think you'll see in the next ten-prayers— i think you'll see in the next ten players played ten years players who played for nin—rne-nnei him even some of the ones who stayed— him even some of the ones who niayei rer— him even some of the ones who niayei rsr nin — him even some of the ones who played for him right now may rrrn— played for him right now may turn-guardiola- played for him right now may turn guardiola mark so played for him right now may turextraordinary)la mark so played for him right now may turextraordinary personality. so an extraordinary personality. nes— an extraordinary personality. nessins—e- an extraordinary personality. he's—since 2016.| an extraordinary personality.- he's_since 2016. so he's been there since 2016. so its— he's been there since 2016. so its-rime.— he's been there since 2016. so ir-s-rine. nar- it's taking his time. but gssiness— it's taking his time. but- goodness—finally it's taking his time. but- goodness_finally did goodness me, when he finally did it goodness me, when he finally did ir-rean — goodness me, when he finally did ir-rean -rney- goodness me, when he finally did it-team -they put- it that team i mean they put rear— it that team i mean they put rear nasa— it that team i mean they put four past real— it that team i mean they put four past real madrid in the seni—iinai— four past real madrid in the semi—final. they put four past iiverneei— liverpool in the league. they put— liverpool in the league. they par—arsena- liverpool in the league. they. put-arsenal,-put put four past arsenal, they put rnree— put four past arsenal, they put rnree-er— put four past arsenal, they put rnree-erinasr- three past or six past manchester- three past or six past manchester united earlier in the season. extraordinary season. this is an extraordinary sine— season. this is an extraordinary siie . — season. this is an extraordinary siie . na.— season. this is an extraordinary side. no,ifind_ season. this is an extraordinary side . n0,ifind from- season. this is an extraordinary side . \rir �*" r: g side. no, i find from talking to people who are massive football fans that it's about fans that it's not just about the is it? it's about the football is it? it's about all drama behind the scenes, all the drama behind the scenes, all the drama behind the scenes, all changes, the chopping all of the changes, the chopping and changing the money. the money buying. which players? money is buying. which players? yeah. transfers where the money's season, money's going, transfer season, etcetera, etcetera. is there anything that's like caused a massive scandal or any gossip going on? let me see. no one not not as yet. i mean, clubs are moving behind the scenes, but the transfer window isn't really warm up until later in the summer. a lot of players are still on pre—season training at

the moment. aston villa did a good signing youri good signing yesterday. youri tielemans leicester. tielemans from from leicester. you're more like you're going to see more like that. of contract and that. he was out of contract and so going see of so you're going to see more of that summer goes on. that as the summer goes on. because you what, because i'll tell you what, they're be some it's they're going to be some it's going money spent going to be some big money spent to manchester going to be some big money spent to team manchester going to be some big money spent to team areinchester going to be some big money spent to team are fariester going to be some big money spent to team are far outer going to be some big money spent to team are far out on city. this team are far out on their at moment. mean, their own at the moment. i mean, they 11 points behind they were 11 points behind in they were 11 points behind in the months ago. the the league a few months ago. the fact we had a world cup in fact that we had a world cup in the of the season. so it the middle of the season. so it was to because was always going to be because the concertina the fixtures were concertina around that and backed up against it against each other. and it caused congestion. it caused a lot of congestion. it was always to be the team was always going to be the team with biggest squad, best with the biggest squad, the best squad on top. squad that that came out on top. and i maintain that and i think i maintain that city were it and they did were going to do it and they did it the league. reeled it in the league. they reeled arsenal in eventually and eventually know got several points ahead of them, beat them at and course prevailed at home. and of course prevailed in the champions league. and this lastly, aidan, what's- i 3 and this lastly, aidan, what's going wrong— wrong for manchester united? nease— because it doesn't seem like rnere-s— because it doesn't seem like rnssnes— because it doesn't seem like thcomes-team - because it doesn't seem like thcomes-team. - because it doesn't seem like thcomes team . it comes to my team. look, rearran— it comes to my team. look, isarnaii is— it comes to my team. look, football is cyclical and, you know, had their own way know, united had their own way for, what, 23 between 93 and 2013 when alex ferguson golden days they were yeah but look they're commercially very very strong. turning point strong. the turning point for them takeover. they them will be the takeover. they

will get bought will eventually get bought probably bid. i probably by the qatari bid. i would have thought that's the that's of reign that's been the aim of the reign group. the merchant group. who the merchant bank being task of being charged with the task of selling they've been selling united they've been trying a from trying to really in a bid from or the qatari or attract a bid from the qatari royal the qatari royal family the investment fund that's their that will see them and compete in a different stratosphere . in in a different stratosphere. in terms yes, there's terms of transfers. yes, there's financial play which will financial fair play which will limit initially . financial fair play which will limit initially. their limit spending initially. their spending be done the spending needs to be done on the stadium, the spending that needs to training to be done on the training ground. i think they got complacent the of ground. i think they got consiricent the of ground. i think they got consir alex the of ground. i think they got consir alex ferguson he of ground. i think they got consir alex ferguson era of the sir alex ferguson era because they capitulated as soon as left. i was as he left. and when i was covering them there back in covering them up there back in the up in the north—west between, what, 2008 and it between, what, 2008 and 2011, it was me as soon as was always said to me as soon as sir alex ferguson goes, you will see fade away see this club will fade away into into the into the into the into the darkness, just slightly. but it's because it's not irretrievable because it's not irretrievable because it's it's too it's too big a club. it's too commercially powerful. and that's why it's going to attract commercially powerful. and tibidr why it's going to attract commercially powerful. and tibidr wiaround|oing to attract commercially powerful. and tibidr wiaround|oing t£7ttract a bid of around about £7 billion. ferguson. and billion. sir alex ferguson. and nnar— billion. sir alex ferguson. andi nnar—vean. what a legend. absolutely yeah. i what a legend. absolutely yeah. i rrernernei. — what a legend. absolutely yeah. irrernernei. i— what a legend. absolutely yeah. i remember. i think my mum got off i remember. i think my mum got an a— i remember. i think my mum got an a seine— i remember. i think my mum got off a selfie with— i remember. i think my mum got off a selfie with him and she sne— off a selfie with him and she was she delighted. ri r: off a selfie with him and she wa e delighted. ri r: off a selfie with him and she wa delighted. r: off a selfie with him and she wa r: alighted. r: off a selfie with him and she wa r: alic i.d r: off a selfie with him and she wa r: alic r: off a selfie with him and she wa r: alic g to me, he said to me years ago, he said i'm going he said, he said i'm going to when i retire, going to have

when i retire, i'm going to have to harder than i was to work even harder than i was when made united manager when i was made united manager because i want to stay. i want to brain active. you to keep my brain active. you can't from 100 an hour can't go from 100 miles an hour to stop just from a mental perspective, psychological perspective. around world see him tour around the world doing. why you're doing. and that's why you're going working you're going to be working till you're 95. about 95. yeah, that's only about five years though. absolutely 95. yeah, that's only about five yearthank though. absolutely 95. yeah, that's only about five year thank you ugh. absolutely 95. yeah, that's only about five year thank you very absolutely 95. yeah, that's only about five year thank you very much utely 95. yeah, that's only about five year thank you very much indeed. not. thank you very much indeed. rise— not. thank you very much indeed. rise is— not. thank you very much indeed. rise is see— not. thank you very much indeed. rise is yea.— not. thank you very much indeed. nice to see you. our— not. thank you very much indeed. nice to see you. our sports rensner— nice to see you. our sports rensner new— nice to see you. our sports reporter now moving on to the dane— reporter now moving on to the nuke-sneer.— reporter now moving on to the duke-sussex. it's- reporter now moving on to the duke sussex. it's been quite duke of sussex. it's been quite the duke of sussex. it's been quite ins-rer— duke of sussex. it's been quite rne-ier nin— duke of sussex. it's been quite the-for him, hasn't- duke of sussex. it's been quite the for him, hasn't it? the week for him, hasn't it? risi— the week for him, hasn't it? inst-nas- the week for him, hasn't it? first-was late- the week for him, hasn't it? first-was late toi the week for him, hasn't it?. first-was late to his first of all, he was late to his own-case due- first of all, he was late to his own-case due to- first of all, he was late to his own case due to his own court case due to his iaaenrer-s— own court case due to his daughter's birthday. two daughter's birthday. then a two day daughter's birthday. then a two nay—in- daughter's birthday. then a two nay—in rnel day cross—examination in the witness— day cross—examination in the witness nea— day cross—examination in the witness box made the first witness box made him the first senior-resriiy- witness box made him the first senior-testify in- witness box made him the first senior testify in court senior royal to testify in court for senior royal to testify in court fer-ne— senior royal to testify in court fer-re is- senior royal to testify in court fer-re is ei- senior royal to testify in courti for- he is, of course, for 130 years. he is, of course, attempting— for130 years. he is, of course, aiiennrine re— for 130 years. he is, of course, attempting to prove that repsners— attempting to prove that reporters for— attempting to prove that reporters for daily mirror reporters for the daily mirror naiiisners— reporters for the daily mirror publishers phone reporters for the daily mirrori publishers—phone , publishers hacked his phone, anenesr— publishers hacked his phone,- amongst—unlawful amongst other alleged unlawful internation— amongst other alleged unlawful information gathering mirror sienn— information gathering mirror snap—.- information gathering mirror group—r ei- information gathering mirror. group_, of course, group newspapers, of course, ienies— group newspapers, of course, ienies rnis. — group newspapers, of course, denies this. he— group newspapers, of course, denies this. he told the high seari— denies this. he told the high sean hacking— denies this. he told the high court hacking his phone was a risk— court hacking his phone was a risk nann— court hacking his phone was a risk worth the— court hacking his phone was a risk worth the reward. but will his evidence— risk worth the reward. but will his evidence be— risk worth the reward. but will his evidence be enough to senvinse-iary- his evidence be enough to convince .jury ?- his evidence be enough to convince jury ? it didn't convince the jury? it didn't reen— convince the jury? it didn't reek-aire- convince the jury? it didn't look-after the- convince the jury? it didn't look after the two days look like it. after the two days in saun— look like it. after the two days in ssan, ir— look like it. after the two days in court, it did— look like it. after the two days in court, it did seem like he'd gene— in court, it did seem like he'd gene is— in court, it did seem like he'd gene is rne— in court, it did seem like he'd gone to the court— in court, it did seem like he'd gone to the court without any eviiense — gone to the court without any eviiense .— gone to the court without any evidence . but— gone to the court without any evidence . but joining me now is evidence. but joining me now is reyai— evidence. but joining me now is royal commentator—

evidence. but joining me now is royal commentator kadita dena.— royal commentator kadita d'silva. thank— royal commentator kadita d'silva. thank you very much inieei— d'silva. thank you very much inieei rer— d'silva. thank you very much indeed for joining d'silva. thank you very much indeed forjoining me. judyta indeed for joining me. judyta year— indeed for joining me. judyta your assessment— indeed for joining me. judyta your assessment of this week's rriais— your assessment of this week's rriais ani— your assessment of this week's trials and tribulations for narrye — trials and tribulations for narrye um.— trials and tribulations for harry? um, it's- trials and tribulations for harry? r: trials and tribulations for- harry? um, it's kind of a split one for me because on the one hand, in the vein of what you've just said, i think he he underestimated just the kind of zeal that would he'd be hit with when it came to cross—examination. but then again , based on where he is in again, based on where he is in his life, he probably would understand that when you're going up against a news organisation , they for organisation, they are built for this. they have crisis, well seasoned crisis management teams, very well seasoned lawyers. and so his cross—examination by andrew kc kind of did exhibit that kids defence and the evidentiary part of bolstering his defence was not as robust as it could have been. but what he did succeed in showing is the kind of almost parasitic level of interest that

the news organisations had in him and the royal family and by exhibiting the differences , he exhibiting the differences, he said. there's over 140 articles being investigated . they're being investigated. they're focusing on 33. but when you look at the kind of intimate detail that was being covered in this story, it does prove what he's saying, that as a human being to have outside forces, this interested in personal aspects of your life is not right . and any human being can right. and any human being can agree with that . but that agree with that. but that ieesn-r— agree with that. but that doesn't that _ rigiiri but that doesn't that doesn't. but dodi to doesn't that doesn't. but dodi is sorry— doesn't that doesn't. but dodi is sorry rs— doesn't that doesn't. but dodi to sorry to interrupt, but that ieesn-r— to sorry to interrupt, but that doesn't really— to sorry to interrupt, but that doesn't really matter, does it? wnerner— doesn't really matter, does it? wnerner rne— doesn't really matter, does it? whether the whether the press weein- a para- whether the whether the press were in a para acidic were acting in a para acidic iasnien— were acting in a para acidic iasnisn as— were acting in a para acidic iasnisn as yea— were acting in a para acidic fashion as you said, it's about wnerner— fashion as you said, it's about wnerner ne— fashion as you said, it's about whether he can— fashion as you said, it's about whether he can prove on the iaianse— whether he can prove on the iaianse si— whether he can prove on the balance of probabilities that the balance of probabilities that rne paper— balance of probabilities that rne paper was— balance of probabilities that the paper was engaging in iiieeai— the paper was engaging in iiieeai in— the paper was engaging in illegal in illegal phone hacking or illegal in illegal phone hacking er erner— illegal in illegal phone hacking or other illegal— illegal in illegal phone hacking or other illegal information garnering— or other illegal information garnering . — or other illegal information gathering . gathering. that's the that's the part where he's not given enough , but there's just enough to keep looking into it because the evidence was given by jane, who was a former royal editor for

the mirror group . she said that the mirror group. she said that when she would put together stories on the royals, piers morgan, who was then the editor of daily mirror, would of the daily mirror, would inject that she couldn't inject stuff that she couldn't say where it came from . but when say where it came from. but when you look at the kind of stuff it was, it could only come with someone who has a deeper link. did phone did that come from phone hacking? not know. did it hacking? we do not know. did it come inside sources we do hacking? we do not know. did it conknow. inside sources we do hacking? we do not know. did it con know. butride sources we do hacking? we do not know. did it con know. but the sources we do hacking? we do not know. did it con know. but the timeline we do hacking? we do not know. did it con know. but the timeline for do not know. but the timeline for some of those articles was dunng penod some of those articles was during period after princess during the period after princess diana's where there was diana's death where there was a detente, where everyone said they are off limits because they need time mourn. did you need time to mourn. how did you get that information then ? these get that information then? these are the questions that if we get an answer, that the only possibility is phone hacking. an answer, that the only possibiprovenihone hacking. an answer, that the only possibi proven the e hacking. an answer, that the only possibi proven the case:king. an answer, that the only possibi proven the case forg. an answer, that the only possibi proven the case for the you've proven the case for the mirror group has a lot to lose if that that happens , i just if that if that happens, i just worry that , you know, prince worry that, you know, prince harry is chasing this sense of justice, vengeance . it's i don't justice, vengeance. it's i don't know. justice, vengeance. it's i don't know ani— justice, vengeance. it's i don't know. and whether— , 3: it's i don't know. and whether he'll ever nave — know. and whether he'll ever nave anar— know. and whether he'll ever have that have— know. and whether he'll ever have that have a— know. and whether he'll ever have that have a whether he'll ie — have that have a whether he'll ie ar— have that have a whether he'll ever be at peace— have that have a whether he'll ever be at peace in a way, wnerner— ever be at peace in a way, whether he'll— ever be at peace in a way, whether he'll ever feel emotionally- whether he'll ever feel emotionally stable when it comes

to emotionally stable when it comes re anis— emotionally stable when it comes is we sen— emotionally stable when it comes is we sen si— emotionally stable when it comes to this sort of thing.— emotionally stable when it comes to this sort of thing. because it rises— to this sort of thing. because it rises see— to this sort of thing. because it does seem like— to this sort of thing. because it does seem like his head is very— it does seem like his head is very nwsn— it does seem like his head is very nwsn in— it does seem like his head is very much in the— it does seem like his head is very much in the past. it does seem like his head is very much in the past . and very much in the past. and weenan— very much in the past. and meghan markle_ very much in the past. and meghan markle is looking to the future — meghan markle is looking to the future ranging— meghan markle is looking to the future. judging by— meghan markle is looking to the future. judging by her actions, rearing— future. judging by her actions, rearing re— future. judging by her actions, looking to what— future. judging by her actions, looking to what she's going to be looking to what she's going to is rising— looking to what she's going to is rising in— looking to what she's going to be doing in terms— looking to what she's going to be doing in terms her own pr be doing in terms of her own pr perenriai— be doing in terms of her own pr perenriai .— be doing in terms of her own pr potential , political— potential, political aspirations, getting her new irreg— aspirations, getting her new blog up— aspirations, getting her new blog up ani— aspirations, getting her new blog up and running, do you rninn— blog up and running, do you rnink anar— blog up and running, do you think that there's a little bit of think that there's a little bit at a— think that there's a little bit at a spin— think that there's a little bit or a stir in— think that there's a little bit of a split in terms of where rneir— of a split in terms of where their priority— of a split in terms of where their priority is— of a split in terms of where their priority is lie ? their priority is lie? i asraaiiy— their priority is lie? i actually think- their priority is lie? i actually think that is probably the most important point, which might create fracture lines because as the thing is, you're deaung because as the thing is, you're dealing like i've said before, prince harry is a test case for ptsd . this is something that ptsd. this is something that he's been building up to for decades, where he wants a kind of justice, like you said he might not get and probably will never get. but it's a crusade of righteousness within his mind and his heart. and anyone who kind of if you speak to your humanity and put yourself in his position, you can see his motivation, practically it's motivation, but practically it's not tangible. but then he has a family. has a very young family. he has a very young family. he has a very young family that to build towards family that has to build towards the . so either are

the future. so either they are collectively saying , you have to collectively saying, you have to do to put mind at do this to put your mind at rest. while rest. like you said, while meghan builds for the future and eventually reconvene eventually they will reconvene and carry or it might create and carry on. or it might create fracture lines where meghan just wants to on because she wants to move on because she realises there's no place for me in uk. i have build in the uk. i have to build something lasting in the us something long lasting in the us and may be tensions but and there may be tensions but that's between them . and just that's between them. and just very, very quickly— that's between them. and just veryr very quickly r— that's between them. and just very very quickly , i- i and just very, very quickly , i don't know very, very quickly, i don't know if ye— very, very quickly, i don't know i ye seen— very, very quickly, i don't know if you've seen reports, but apparenriy— if you've seen reports, but apparently-and- if you've seen reports, but apparently and meghan are apparently harry and meghan are not going— apparently harry and meghan are not going is— apparently harry and meghan are not going to invited to king not going to be invited to king snaries-s— not going to be invited to king charles's birthday celebrations . wean— charles's birthday celebrations . wean rnink— charles's birthday celebrations . yeah think that— charles's birthday celebrations . yeah think that they should nave— . yeah think that they should have expected _ . yeah think that they should have expected that . ri have expected that. he's prananiy— have expected that. he's probably thinking he's never not been invited to the trooping the colour which is celebrating the sovereign's was sovereign's birthday. he was ianed sovereign's birthday. he was invited last year but didn't do the balcony appearance , thinking the balcony appearance, thinking maybe happen now maybe the same would happen now . but if you're at it . but if you're looking at it from teams and be very from the pr teams and be very clinical cynical , clinical and very cynical, harry's radioactive at the moment, and this is something that's public but are going to be the newspapers be covered by the newspapers who are attack by harry. the are under attack by harry. the royals not want to kind of royals will not want to kind of damage the unspoken understanding they have with the

papers cover us, we papers that you cover us, we give absolutely so give you access. absolutely so harry has to fall back . thank harry has to fall back. thank you very much indeed.- i thank you very much indeed. that's all we eer— you very much indeed. that's all we eat rime— you very much indeed. that's all we got time for. _ you very much indeed. that's all we got time for. ta— you very much indeed. that's all we got time for. ta da silva, ineir— we got time for. ta da silva, ineir rsyai— we got time for. ta da silva, their royal commentator. thank you their royal commentator. thank yea—rime- their royal commentator. thank yea—rime .| their royal commentator. thanki yea—rime . ss you very much for your time. so the you very much for your time. so are seriai— you very much for your time. so the serial giant— you very much for your time. so the serial giant kellogg's newne— the serial giant kellogg's moving sn— the serial giant kellogg's moving on swiftly , has said that moving on swiftly, has said that it wiri— moving on swiftly, has said that it wiii ne— moving on swiftly, has said that it will no longer— moving on swiftly, has said that it will no longer require job anniisanrs— it will no longer require job anniisanrs rs— it will no longer require job applicants to have a degree to warn— applicants to have a degree to warn ar— applicants to have a degree to work at its— applicants to have a degree to work at its hq.— applicants to have a degree to work at its hq. this decision arter— work at its hq. this decision comes after they— work at its hq. this decision comes after they conducted a sassessiai— comes after they conducted a successful trial— comes after they conducted a successful trial of hiring sales stari— successful trial of hiring sales staff without _ successful trial of hiring sales staff without degrees apprenticeships, platform multiverse _ apprenticeships, platform multiverse found . 70% of multiverse found. 70% of business— multiverse found. 70% of business leaders say higher eiwsarisn— business leaders say higher education doesn't prepare graduates— education doesn't prepare graduates for— education doesn't prepare graduates for work . yet 54% of graduates for work. yet 54% of major— graduates for work. yet 54% of major companies— graduates for work. yet 54% of major companies still require degrees— major companies still require degrees rer— major companies still require degrees for entry level roles. so degrees for entry level roles. so are— degrees for entry level roles. ss we— degrees for entry level roles. so are we wasting time and money on university— so are we wasting time and money on aniwersiry rees— so are we wasting time and money on university fees for— so are we wasting time and money on university fees for no good reason? should— on university fees for no good reason? should most employers rake— reason? should most employers rake people— reason? should most employers rake people en— reason? should most employers take people on straight from ssnssi— take people on straight from school through— take people on straight from school through apprenticeships ? school through apprenticeships? are degrees— school through apprenticeships? are degrees worth our time. so reining— are degrees worth our time. so joining ne— are degrees worth our time. so joining me new— are degrees worth our time. so joining me now to— are degrees worth our time. so joining me now to discuss this , joining me now to discuss this, rnee— joining me now to discuss this, rnere ne— joining me now to discuss this, rnere ne is— joining me now to discuss this, rnere ne is a— joining me now to discuss this, there he is, a student of iewrnaiisn— there he is, a student of journalism, media and culture at wewsasrie— journalism, media and culture at newcastle university. adam wiiisnirn— newcastle university. adam wildsmith, thank you very much inieei— wildsmith, thank you very much inieei .— wildsmith, thank you very much inieei . asian,— wildsmith, thank you very much indeed . adam, i— wildsmith, thank you very much indeed . adam, i look this, indeed. adam, i look at this, i reek— indeed. adam, i look at this, i ieen ar— indeed. adam, i look at this, i

look at kellogg's— indeed. adam, i look at this, i look at kellogg's offering what entry— look at kellogg's offering what enrry iewei— look at kellogg's offering what entry level roles— look at kellogg's offering what entry level roles to people wirnear— entry level roles to people without degrees. i think that's a good— without degrees. i think that's a good thing-— without degrees. i think that's a good thing. that's progress , a good thing. that's progress, aiseiwreiy. — a good thing. that's progress, absolutely. as— a good thing. that's progress, absolutely. as you say, i'm a journalism student and i've been here for two years and i honestly think what i've learned in two years at university, i probably could have picked up within months work within a couple of months work experience in newsroom. i experience in a newsroom. i think it's really experience in a newsroom. i think it'slreally positive. think it's a really positive ey— think it's a really positive move by kellogg's. and my eeinien— move by kellogg's. and my opinion-started- opinion has has started to snanee— opinion has has started to snanee-as- opinion has has started to change -as you. opinion has has started to change as you said, change on this. as you said, its— change on this. as you said, its an— change on this. as you said, its an entry— change on this. as you said, it's an entry level position. its— it's an entry level position. we ner— it's an entry level position. its not rise— it's an entry level position. it's not like someone's- it's an entry level position. it's not like someone's been hired senior management hired for a senior management position. so someone position. so i think if someone san-rnere— position. so i think if someone san-rnere ar— position. so i think if someone can-there at an- position. so i think if someone can-there at an entry- can go in there at an entry iewei— can go in there at an entry. iewei—werw level position, they can work ineir— level position, they can work ineir-inane- level position, they can work. their-that's-the their way up. that's that's the way always was. if you look way it always was. if you look at way it always was. if you look ar-ieeos— way it always was. if you look at-1960s,.example,- at the 1960s, for example, someone an someone could train to be an asseanranr— someone could train to be an accountant without any a—levels. nowr _ accountant without any a—levels. wew. .esrsen — accountant without any a—levels. now, - person would _ accountant without any a—levels. now, - person would need - now, that person would need a—levels a degree . i think a—levels and a degree. i think if people can a—levels and a degree. i think i eeeeie 90— a—levels and a degree. i think if people can go on— a—levels and a degree. i think if people can go on an- ' iii: iri;rgii;ri; i think if people can go on an entry iewei— if people can go on an entry level position,— if people can go on an entry level position, they can work nari, — level position, they can worki nari, —rney hard, they can show that they ie — hard, they can show that they ie are — hard, they can show that they can do the job. _ hard, they can show that they can do the job. they should be aire— can do the job. they should be awe—ves- can do the job. they should be able _yes. and. can do the job. they should bej able _yes. and we able to progress. yes. and we arse— able to progress. yes. and we also have issue of people also have the issue of people coming university motty coming out of university motty and even being able to and then not even being able to get a graduate role . so they end get a graduate role. so they end up in a position that they very much got without

much could have got without going to university at all. yeah, well, we're often told anar— yeah, well, we're often told that universities— yeah, well, we're often told that universities lead to higher paying— that universities lead to higher paying tees— that universities lead to higher paying jobsr ani— that universities lead to higher paying jobs, and that is sometimes— paying jobs, and that is sometimes the case. but it's aise— sometimes the case. but it's aise rne— sometimes the case. but it's also the case— sometimes the case. but it's also the case that a lot of times— also the case that a lot of times university- also the case that a lot of times university leads to no job at at — times university leads to no job at at vea— times university leads to no job at all. you know,— times university leads to no job at all. you know, for- times university leads to no job at all. /rir at all. you know, for me, i'm a bit concerned about my prospects when i finish university. there's sort of little talk wniie— there's sort of little talk while you're— there's sort of little talk while you're at university of any— while you're at university of any experience,— while you're at university of any experience, internships or rnings— any experience, internships or rnings anar— any experience, internships or things that will— any experience, internships or things that will lead to the eperiee— things that will lead to the experience that— things that will lead to the experience that you'd need to asrwaiiy— experience that you'd need to asrwaiiy-inre - experience that you'd need to actually - into the - actually progress into the werwierse— actually progress into the workforce .— actually progress into the workforce . so— actually progress into the workforce . so i think workforce. so i think when students— workforce. so i think when students finish— workforce. so i think when students finish further education, _ students finish further education, be a lot education, there should be a lot more apprenticeships , more focus on apprenticeships, degree,— more focus on apprenticeships, degree, apprenticeships, internships— degree, apprenticeships, internships ,_ degree, apprenticeships, internships , all the things that internships, all the things that are internships, all the things that geing— internships, all the things that geing re— internships, all the things that are going to actually provide srwienrs— are going to actually provide students experience to students with the experience to get inre — students with the experience to get inre rne — students with the experience to get into the workforce. aiseiaeeiy— get into the workforce. absolutely. the- get into the workforce. ' 05;ng the half the battle absolutely. the half the battle is insi— absolutely. the half the battle is past gearing— absolutely. the half the battle is just getting your— ' 05;ng the half the battle is just getting your foot in the eeer— is just getting your foot in the door somewhere. _ is just getting your foot in the door somewhere. i remember when i door somewhere. i remember when i graiaarei— door somewhere. i remember when i graiwarei .— door somewhere. i remember when i graiwarei , rne— door somewhere. i remember when i graduated , the fear, the i graduated, the fear, the anxiety— i graduated, the fear, the anxiery .— i graduated, the fear, the anxiety , not— i graduated, the fear, the anxiety , not knowing which anxiety, not knowing which iiresrien— anxiety, not knowing which direction to _ anxiety, not knowing which direction to go— anxiety, not knowing which direction to go into , not direction to go into, not wnewing— direction to go into, not knowing whether you're going to be knowing whether you're going to pe-re— knowing whether you're going to pe-re rinsi— knowing whether you're going to be -to find that— knowing whether you're going to be -to find that job- knowing whether you're going to be to find that job just to be able to find that job just to get year— be able to find that job just to get year reer— be able to find that job just to get your foot in— be able to find that job just to get your foot in the in get your foot in the door in wnisnewer— get your foot in the door in whichever industry you thought you whichever industry you thought yew nignr— whichever industry you thought yew nwn-ae- whichever industry you thought you might do. and people you might like to do. and people like you might like to do. and people rite—areani- like me just jumped around and reana— like me just jumped around andi rerne—ana found something in the end. and

nere— found something in the end. and nere-reiay— found something in the end. and nere-reiay .— found something in the end. and nere-reiay . se— found something in the end. and here today . so, adam, how here i am today. so, adam, how are here i am today. so, adam, how peepiee— here i am today. so, adam, how are people? students are people? are the students ieeiing— are people? are the students feeling-their- are people? are the students feeling their degrees? is feeling about their degrees? is rnere— feeling about their degrees? is rnere a— feeling about their degrees? is there a sense— feeling about their degrees? is there a sense that it's gotten to there a sense that it's gotten re epensie— there a sense that it's gotten to expensive and— there a sense that it's gotten to expensive and might not to expensive and it might not aiways— to expensive and it might not aiways pe— to expensive and it might not always be worth— to expensive and it might not always be worth it or is there sriii— always be worth it or is there sriii very— always be worth it or is there still very much— always be worth it or is there still very much the idea that a degree— still very much the idea that a degree is— still very much the idea that a degree is rne— still very much the idea that a degree is the way— still very much the idea that a degree is the way to get a iesenr— degree is the way to get a iesenr job?— degree is the way to get a decent job? well, there's a rweieii— decent job? well, there's a twofold answer— decent job? well, there's a twofold answer to that question. i twofold answer to that question. i rhini— twofold answer to that question. i think student— twofold answer to that question. i think student satisfaction,- i think student satisfaction, i think has been decreasing in recent years, and i think that is owed a lot to strike action in the last few years . students in the last few years. students are in the last few years. students paying — in the last few years. students paying rari— in the last few years. students are paying full fees— in the last few years. students are paying full fees and- i students are paying full fees and i know in my— are paying full fees and i know in my ewn— are paying full fees and i know in my own experience, i think i-we— in my own experience, i think ive been— in my own experience, i think ive been ar— in my own experience, i think i've been at university probably aperi— i've been at university probably apewr ro— i've been at university probably apewr re re— i've been at university probably about 40 to 50%_ i've been at university probably about 40 to 50% of the time. i reaiiy— about 40 to 50% of the time. i reaiiy spewin— about 40 to 50% of the time. i really should have— about 40 to 50% of the time. i really should have been- about 40 to 50% of the time. i really should have been there. and that's by and large, two swine—rnen- and that's by and large, two strike—then i- and that's by and large, two. strike _then i think strike action. and then i think a er— strike action. and then i think a er ei— strike action. and then i think a lot of students— strike action. and then i think a lot of students feel they have to a lot of students feel they have re ge— a lot of students feel they have re ge re— a lot of students feel they have to go to university— a lot of students feel they have to go to university because rnar-s— to go to university because rnar-s reaiiy— to go to university because that's really all— to go to university because that's really all that's spoken apewr. — that's really all that's spoken apewr. i— that's really all that's spoken about. i know— that's really all that's spoken about. i know when i was in ssneei— about. i know when i was in ssneei-newer- about. i know when i was in school-never anyi school there was never any nenrien— school there was never any mention .work- school there was never any mention work experience going mention of work experience going srraignr— mention of work experience going srraignr-rne— mention of work experience going straight the workforce , straight into the workforce, apprenticeships. c straight into the workforce, apprenticeships. a apprenticeships. it was all the university direction and of course the government has a target for university attainment. soi target for university attainment. so i think this move by neiiegg-s— attainment. so i think this move by neiiegg-s is— attainment. so i think this move by neiiegg-s is a— so i think this move by kellogg's is a positive one. ani— by kellogg's is a positive one.

anilerner— by kellogg's is a positive one. and other companies can and if other companies can renew— and if other companies can ieiiew swir— and if other companies can follow suit, hopefully it will be follow suit, hopefully it will ire-sen— follow suit, hopefully it will ire-sen ei- follow suit, hopefully it will be sort of reverse be able to sort of reverse that rise— be able to sort of reverse that riie anar— be able to sort of reverse that tide that we've— be able to sort of reverse that tide that we've seeing in tide that we've been seeing in eser— tide that we've been seeing in resent-seieiy— tide that we've been seeing in recent solely towards recent years solely towards aniwersiry— recent years solely towards university _well| recent years solely towards- university _well we'll university education. well we'll inani— university education. well we'll see. thank you— university education. well we'll see. thank you very- university education. well we'll see. thank you very much indeed for time. wildsmith, for your time. adam wildsmith, student journalism media student of journalism media and culture university. culture at newcastle university. we wish him all the best for his career search. you're watching we wish him all the best for his care listening you're watching we wish him all the best for his care listening toyu're watching we wish him all the best for his care listening to 6b; watching we wish him all the best for his care listening to gb newshing we wish him all the best for his care listening to gb news sunday and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver coming up in rishi sunak in the next hour. rishi sunak allies launch their counter counter attack against boris johnson amid the escalating tory tumult, the political landscape has been jolted by the stunning resignation of boris johnson following the revelations, of course, of the partygate inquiry to influence allies of his have stepped down too. what does this all mean for the integrity of the conservative party and for rishi sunak himself ? and the rishi sunak himself? and the home office will no longer treat irregular arrivals like channel crossings differently from other asylum seekers in france this week , four young children were week, four young children were stabbed by a syrian man with refugee status in sweden. could this be a massive risk to our

national security? i do wonder whether there will be similar attacks in this country. and what can we do to make sure we vet people who are coming across the channel? that seems common sense to me. i'm sure it is to you and clinicians and psychologists have welcomed nhs england's decision ban england's decision to ban puberty blockers for children suffering gender dysphoria suffering from gender dysphoria outside of clinical research . outside of clinical research. all of that more coming up in the next hour. don't go anywhere

welcome to gb news sunday. i'm emily carver. for the next hour, i'll be keeping you company on tv, online and radio . so coming tv, online and radio. so coming up this hour, rishi sunak sunak allies are fighting back against bods allies are fighting back against boris johnson amid a growing

tory row. the former prime minister draghi hinckley resigned as mp on friday over the outcome of the partygate inquiry . two of his allies have inquiry. two of his allies have also quit with immediate effect. rishi sunak now has three byelections on his hands. what does this mean for the tory party? does this mean party? what does this mean for rishi sunak and what should bods rishi sunak and what should boris do next? and the boris johnson do next? and the home office will no longer treat irregular like channel irregular arrivals like channel crossings differently from other asylum seekers. we'll also be looking back to that attack in france this week. four young children were stabbed by a syrian refugee status syrian man with refugee status in sweden. should we be looking again at the way we vet those coming across the channel is there a risk to our national security? and clinicians and psychologists welcomed nhs psychologists have welcomed nhs england's decision to ban puberty blockers for children suffering gender dysphoria suffering from gender dysphoria outside of clinical research . is outside of clinical research. is that a good idea? it seems to me this is common sense. but first, let's get the news headlines with rory smith . thank you very

with rory smith. thank you very nwsn— with rory smith. thank you very nasn iniiy— with rory smith. thank you very much, emily. three— liq thank you very much, emily. three british rewrisrs— much, emily. three british tourists are _ much, emily. three british tourists are missing after a rive— tourists are missing after a dive pear— tourists are missing after a dive boat burst— tourists are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the dive boat burst into flames in are nei— dive boat burst into flames in are isei sea— dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off— dive boat burst into flames in the red sea off egypt. officials say i2— the red sea off egypt. officials say p nrirens— the red sea off egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued and aieng— say 12 britons were rescued and aieng witn— say 12 britons were rescued and aieng win in— say 12 britons were rescued and along with 12 egyptian crew and guides— along with 12 egyptian crew and guides .— along with 12 egyptian crew and gripes , rne— along with 12 egyptian crew and guides , the foreign office has guides, the foreign office has seniirnei— guides, the foreign office has confirmed it's— guides, the foreign office has confirmed it's in— guides, the foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with igyprian— confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities and assisting— egyptian authorities and assisting those involved . and assisting those involved. and ei— assisting those involved. and ei peris— assisting those involved. and one of boris johnson's allies says— one of boris johnson's allies says rne— one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations of two iery— says the resignations of two iery iris— says the resignations of two iery iris was— says the resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated arrenpr— tory mps was not a coordinated arrenpr re— tory mps was not a coordinated attempt to undermine the prime iiinisrer— attempt to undermine the prime minister .— attempt to undermine the prime minister . sir— attempt to undermine the prime minister. sirjacob— attempt to undermine the prime minister. sirjacob rees—mogg says— minister. sirjacob rees—mogg saysrnere— minister. sirjacob rees—mogg says rnere is— minister. sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no— minister. sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no plot against isisni— says there is no plot against new sunak— says there is no plot against rishi sunak and— says there is no plot against rishi sunak and he believes he sneaii— rishi sunak and he believes he should remain— rishi sunak and he believes he should remain leader. he also suggested— should remain leader. he also suggested irr— should remain leader. he also suggested mrjohnson could suggested mr johnson could errn— suggested mr johnson could rerrn re— suggested mr johnson could return to westminster, saying he seria— return to westminster, saying he sewii easiiy— return to westminster, saying he sewii easiiy ger— return to westminster, saying he could easily get back into parliament— could easily get back into parliament at— could easily get back into parliament at the next election. ine— parliament at the next election. ine rerner— parliament at the next election. the former pm— parliament at the next election. the former pm announced he was stepping— the former pm announced he was srepping newn— the former pm announced he was srepping iewn as— the former pm announced he was stepping down as an mp after he was stepping down as an mp after he naniei— stepping down as an mp after he was handed the— stepping down as an mp after he was handed the findings of the ranygare— was handed the findings of the ranygare ingwiry— was handed the findings of the partygate inquiry. was handed the findings of the partygate inquiry . well, sir partygate inquiry. well, sir jacob— partygate inquiry. well, sir rasep says— partygate inquiry. well, sir jacob says there could be a spin— jacob says there could be a spiir ii— jacob says there could be a split if some— jacob says there could be a split if some mps try to block his split if some mps try to block nis reinin— split if some mps try to block his return. but— split if some mps try to block his return. but he— split if some mps try to block his return. but he admits some rnings— his return. but he admits some inings sewin— his return. but he admits some things could have— his return. but he admits some things could have been done

eewer— things could have been done better — things could have been done better one— things could have been done better. one always- things could have been done better. : better. one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretend , ed, that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without our without fault. no, not our gracious queen. in the same could be said boris. none is could be said of boris. none is without no, not our without fault. no, not our gracious . that is gracious boris. that that is true all of us. well, true of all of us. well, meanwhile , leave campaigner meanwhile, leave campaigner nigel farage believes it's the end for boris johnson with the conservatives. but the gb news presenter— conservatives. but the gb news presenrer rein— conservatives. but the gb news presenter told camilla- but the gb news presenter told camilla tominey ne-s— presenter told camilla tominey ne-s peen— presenter told camilla tominey he's been talking— presenter told camilla tominey he's been talking to tory mps aperi— he's been talking to tory mps about potentially joining a new party-— about potentially joining a new pany. ine— about potentially joining a new pany. ine geei— about potentially joining a new party. the good side of boris, of party. the good side of boris, ei is— party. the good side of boris, of course, is well— party. the good side of boris, of course, is well , just look at of course, is well, just look at repay-s— of course, is well, just look at today's newspapers. ri riq today's newspapers. he's very geari— today's newspapers. he's very good ar— today's newspapers. he's very good at dominating news. he does have personality. he does make people smile. and if he wants to defend aid, his brexit legacy . defend aid, his brexit legacy. yeah, well, i want to defend my brexit legacy too. so would there be a possibility motty of a new coming together on the centre? right? it would be boris johnson. there'll be other mps

that would join in with this as well. have you discussed this witn— well. have you discussed this wirn peris— well. have you discussed this with boris-not- well. have you discussed this with boris- not with. with boris johnson? not with him iiresiiy—nawe- directly, no. but i have discussed it with people very close him in other news this close to him in other news this afternoon, that yellow thunderstorm warnings have been issued as temperatures continue to climb across the country. the met office says the alerts aiiesr— the met office says the alerts aiiesr pans— the met office says the alerts affect parts of— the met office says the alerts affect parts of scotland. wennern — affect parts of scotland. northern ireland, england and wares— northern ireland, england and waies ani— northern ireland, england and wales and will— northern ireland, england and wales and will be enforced until snoo— wales and will be enforced until 9:00 tomorrow— wales and will be enforced until 9:00 tomorrow night while temperatures— 9:00 tomorrow night while temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees— temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees today— temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees today .— temperatures are expected to hit 32 degrees today . ukraine says 32 degrees today. ukraine says its counter—offensive against iswssia— its counter—offensive against isassia is— its counter—offensive against russia is underway. president xi zeienswyy— russia is underway. president xi zeiensnyy says— russia is underway. president xi zelenskyy says he's optimistic aperi— zelenskyy says he's optimistic about regaining— zelenskyy says he's optimistic about regaining lost territory. it's about regaining lost territory. is after— about regaining lost territory. it's after ukraine said its rses— it's after ukraine said its ises nai— it's after ukraine said its forces had advanced up to 2000m aieng— forces had advanced up to 2000m aieng rne— forces had advanced up to 2000m aieng rne nenr— forces had advanced up to 2000m along the front line— forces had advanced up to 2000m along the front line . that's along the front line. that's rne— along the front line. that's near the eastern city of bakhmut . wen,— near the eastern city of bakhmut . war, isassia— near the eastern city of bakhmut . well, russia is— near the eastern city of bakhmut . well, russia is disputing rnese— . well, russia is disputing those claims— . well, russia is disputing those claims .— . well, russia is disputing those claims . homeowners are those claims. homeowners are being— those claims. homeowners are being nir— those claims. homeowners are being nir witn— those claims. homeowners are being hit with what labour is iessriping— being hit with what labour is describing as— being hit with what labour is describing as a— being hit with what labour is describing as a tory mortgage penairy— describing as a tory mortgage penairy ei— describing as a tory mortgage penalty of £7,000 a year. the party— penalty of £7,000 a year. the pany says— penalty of £7,000 a year. the party says interest rates are rripie— party says interest rates are rripie wnar— party says interest rates are triple what they— party says interest rates are triple what they were two years ago — triple what they were two years age ani— triple what they were two years age and rne— triple what they were two years

ago and the average homeowner is paying— ago and the average homeowner is paying an— ago and the average homeowner is paying an extra— ago and the average homeowner is paying an extra £150 a week as a respir— paying an extra £150 a week as a resin ei— paying an extra £150 a week as a resin ei rne— paying an extra £150 a week as a result of the mini—budget. but the government— result of the mini—budget. but the government says it's working on the government says it's working en naiiing— the government says it's working on halfing inflation to help srrwggiing— on halfing inflation to help struggling households . as the struggling households. as the eewernnenr— struggling households. as the government has— struggling households. as the government has announced £58 niiiien— government has announced £58 niiiien ei— government has announced £58 million of funding— government has announced £58 million of funding to help peepie— million of funding to help peepie wirn— million of funding to help people with health conditions get people with health conditions ger easi— people with health conditions get past re— people with health conditions get back to work. 25,000 people in ingiani— get back to work. 25,000 people in england will— get back to work. 25,000 people in england will benefit from anar— in england will benefit from that scheme— in england will benefit from that scheme and will be referred to that scheme and will be referred re rne— that scheme and will be referred re rne senise— that scheme and will be referred to the service by— that scheme and will be referred to the service by gps . will the to the service by gps. will the running— to the service by gps. will the inning wiri— to the service by gps. will the funding will help— to the service by gps. will the funding will help them start or say— funding will help them start or stay in— funding will help them start or stay in tees— funding will help them start or stay in ieps py— funding will help them start or stay in jobs by march 2025? dvla werersw— stay in jobs by march 2025? dvla werersw nave— stay in jobs by march 2025? dvla workers have started their two week— workers have started their two week swine— workers have started their two week strike action in the long running— week strike action in the long running siwii— week strike action in the long running civil service dispute . running civil service dispute. iienpers— running civil service dispute. iienpers ei— running civil service dispute. members of the— running civil service dispute. members of the union are taking asrien— members of the union are taking asrien ar— members of the union are taking action at torfaen_ members of the union are taking action at torfaen and swansea . action at torfaen and swansea. inar-s— action at torfaen and swansea. inar-s iiweiy— action at torfaen and swansea. that's likely to _ action at torfaen and swansea. that's likely to lead to paswiegs— that's likely to lead to backlogs for- that's likely to lead to backlogs for driving licences wiri— backlogs for driving licences wiii ine— backlogs for driving licences will the union— backlogs for driving licences will the union has been given an inprewei— will the union has been given an inprewei ener— will the union has been given an improved offer to— will the union has been given an improved offer to end the dispute,— improved offer to end the dispute, including the promise of dispute, including the promise ei a— dispute, including the promise ei a roo— dispute, including the promise ei a roe ei— dispute, including the promise ei a roe ei a— dispute, including the promise of a 100 of a £1,500 payment to easn— of a 100 of a £1,500 payment to easn rnernepr— of a 100 of a £1,500 payment to each member this— of a 100 of a £1,500 payment to each member this is gb news we-ii— each member this is gb news we-ii wing— each member this is gb news we-ii pring yew— each member this is gb news we'll bring you more as it nappens.— we'll bring you more as it happens. nato— we'll bring you more as it happens. nato back to .

happens. nato back to. emily |inanis.— happens. nato back to. emily l inanis. iery.— happens. nato back to. emily i thanks, rory. so- happens. nato back to. emily - thanks, rory. so rishi- thanks, rory. so rishi sunak now faces elections now faces three by elections after johnson and his after boris johnson and his allies dorries and nigel allies nadine dorries and nigel adams resigned with immediate effect. borisjohnson adams resigned with immediate effect. boris johnson he believes he has been the victim of an establishment stitch up , of an establishment stitch up, but has his support within the party and the country run out at and what does this all mean for rishi sunak? will he be able to put the boris drama behind him? rishi sunak? will he be able to put tithe oris drama behind him? rishi sunak? will he be able to put tithe fragments behind him? rishi sunak? will he be able to put tithe fragments party? him? rishi sunak? will he be able to put tithe fragments party? and ? unite the fragments party? and what boris johnson going to do next? what will he do now? is a comeback on the cards or is it time he hung up his political gloves for good? he's unlikely to disappear, but let's see what tom harwood our deputy political reporter , has for us. tom, are reporter, has for us. tom, are you on resignation watch? there's talk of potentially more resignations . nations, allies of resignations. nations, allies of

bods. resignations. nations, allies of boris. there's resignations. nations, allies of boris . there's certainly talk of boris. there's certainly talk of it . boris. there's certainly talk of ii . paged,— boris. there's certainly talk of it . indeed, i've— there's certainly talk of it . indeed, i've spoken to it. indeed, i've spoken to a numeri— it. indeed, i've spoken to a nwrnerp ei— it. indeed, i've spoken to a number of conservative mps who weari— number of conservative mps who wewii pe— number of conservative mps who wewii be seen— number of conservative mps who would be seen to— number of conservative mps who would be seen to be close to peris— would be seen to be close to boris johnson. _ would be seen to be close to boris johnson. however and some of boris johnson. however and some ei rnen— boris johnson. however and some ei rnen are— boris johnson. however and some ei rnen ner— boris johnson. however and some of them are not keen on the idea. — of them are not keen on the idea. inar— of them are not keen on the idea. that being— of them are not keen on the idea. that being said , of idea. that being said, of course, both— idea. that being said, of course, both nigel adams and warns— course, both nigel adams and nadine dorries— course, both nigel adams and nadine dorries were said to not be waning— nadine dorries were said to not is wanting re— nadine dorries were said to not be wanting to cause a by eiesriens— be wanting to cause a by elections until- be wanting to cause a by elections until the 11th hour wnen— elections until the 11th hour wnen rney— elections until the 11th hour when they did— elections until the 11th hour when they did indeed call by eiesriens— when they did indeed call by elections in— when they did indeed call by elections in their— when they did indeed call by elections in their seats through ineir— elections in their seats through their resignations.— elections in their seats through their resignations. these three inferent— their resignations. these three different py— their resignations. these three different by elections should in nerrna— different by elections should in normal times— different by elections should in normal times not— different by elections should in normal times not be particularly snaiienging— normal times not be particularly snaiienging re— normal times not be particularly challenging to a— normal times not be particularly challenging to a government, to a naieriry— challenging to a government, to a majority government . but of a majority government. but of course there's— a majority government. but of course there's a— a majority government. but of course there's a 7000 vote naieriry— course there's a 7000 vote naieriry in— course there's a 7000 vote majority in boris- course there's a 7000 vote majority in boris johnson's seat of majority in boris johnson's seat ei wreriige— majority in boris johnson's seat of uxbridge and— majority in boris johnson's seat of uxbridge and south ruislip pig— of uxbridge and south ruislip inar nignr— of uxbridge and south ruislip inar nignr pe— of uxbridge and south ruislip that might be a— of uxbridge and south ruislip that might be a tricky sort of defense— that might be a tricky sort of defense in— that might be a tricky sort of defence in normal times, but the erner— defence in normal times, but the erner awe.— defence in normal times, but the other two. nadine— defence in normal times, but the other two. nadine dorries seat ani— other two. nadine dorries seat and indeed— other two. nadine dorries seat and indeed nigel— other two. nadine dorries seat and indeed nigel adams seats nave— and indeed nigel adams seats nave a— and indeed nigel adams seats have a 20,000— and indeed nigel adams seats have a 20,000 and a 25,000 naieriry— have a 20,000 and a 25,000 majority respectively . these majority respectively. these sneaii— majority respectively. these snewii ner— majority respectively. these should not be— majority respectively. these should not be seats that fall to eppesirien— should not be seats that fall to opposition parties— should not be seats that fall to opposition parties . however, in opposition parties. however, in eser— opposition parties. however, in eser years— opposition parties. however, in eser years we —

opposition parties. however, in recent years we have seen that sen— recent years we have seen that sen ei— recent years we have seen that sen ei ssaie— recent years we have seen that sort of scale of— recent years we have seen that sort of scale of upset out, paniswiariy— sort of scale of upset out, particularly in— sort of scale of upset out, particularly in tiverton and neniren— particularly in tiverton and honiton last— particularly in tiverton and honiton last year where the iiperai— honiton last year where the liberal democrats overturned a epeee— liberal democrats overturned a epeee were— liberal democrats overturned a 24,000 vote majority . motty. so 24,000 vote majority. motty. so anis— 24,000 vote majority. motty. so we swir— 24,000 vote majority. motty. so we staff is— 24,000 vote majority. motty. so this stuff is now— 24,000 vote majority. motty. so this stuff is now not off the saris— this stuff is now not off the saris ani— this stuff is now not off the cards and it— this stuff is now not off the cards and it is— this stuff is now not off the cards and it is looking like it wiri— cards and it is looking like it wiii pe— cards and it is looking like it wiii be a— cards and it is looking like it will be a challenging set of by eiesriens— will be a challenging set of by elections for— will be a challenging set of by elections for the— will be a challenging set of by elections for the prime minister . ine— elections for the prime minister . ine gaesrien— elections for the prime minister . the question is— elections for the prime minister . the question is whether or not mess— . the question is whether or not rnese py— . the question is whether or not these by elections— . the question is whether or not these by elections were called to these by elections were called re sase— these by elections were called to cause maximum harm to the nine— to cause maximum harm to the nine iiinisien— to cause maximum harm to the prime minister, to— to cause maximum harm to the prime minister, to a prime minister— prime minister, to a prime minister who— prime minister, to a prime minister who many around boris rennsen— minister who many around boris rennsen see— minister who many around boris rennsen as— minister who many around boris johnson see as being responsible for johnson see as being responsible rer rne— johnson see as being responsible for the downfall— johnson see as being responsible for the downfall of— johnson see as being responsible for the downfall of the former prime — for the downfall of the former prime minister?— for the downfall of the former prime minister? well while many peepie— prime minister? well while many peepie are— prime minister? well while many people are suggesting that this is a coordinated— people are suggesting that this is a coordinated attempt to weani— is a coordinated attempt to wound rishi— is a coordinated attempt to wound rishi sunak, that's not wnar— wound rishi sunak, that's not wnar every— wound rishi sunak, that's not wnar ewery airy— wound rishi sunak, that's not what every ally of boris johnson is saying.— what every ally of boris johnson is saying. indeed,— what every ally of boris johnson is saying. indeed, earlier today on is saying. indeed, earlier today en en— is saying. indeed, earlier today en en wews— is saying. indeed, earlier today on gb news, jacob rees—mogg said that on gb news, jacob rees—mogg said rnar ne— on gb news, jacob rees—mogg said rnar ne iiin-r— on gb news, jacob rees—mogg said that he didn't think— on gb news, jacob rees—mogg said that he didn't think this was a seeriinarei— that he didn't think this was a coordinated attempt or a coordinated— coordinated attempt or a coordinated attack. i'm afraid i rninn— coordinated attack. i'm afraid i rnink anis— coordinated attack. i'm afraid i think this plot— coordinated attack. i'm afraid i think this plot for— coordinated attack. i'm afraid i think this plot for lots of peepie— think this plot for lots of peepie re— think this plot for lots of people to resign is invented. i think— people to resign is invented. i think we— people to resign is invented. i think two people— people to resign is invented. i think two people decided- people to resign is invented. i think two people decided they wanted to leave parliament, both of had indicated that

of whom had indicated that desire already. they've just slightly changed the timetable, both of whom were expecting to retire, peerages rather than retire, to peerages rather than to the chiltern. hundreds i am unaware of any plot of this kind. it's speculate version not based on sufficient evidence . based on sufficient evidence. now, of course , jacob rees—mogg now, of course, jacob rees—mogg is rignr— now, of course, jacob rees—mogg is rignr anar— now, of course, jacob rees—mogg is rignr rnar ir— now, of course, jacob rees—mogg is right that it is— now, of course, jacob rees—mogg is right that it is speculation. neee ir— is right that it is speculation. however, it is— is right that it is speculation. however, it is also true that rnese— however, it is also true that those resignations that had aireaiy— those resignations that had already been— those resignations that had already been expected and the resignariens— already been expected and the resignations at— already been expected and the resignations at the time of the genera— resignations at the time of the general election— resignations at the time of the general election were expected to general election were expected re pe — general election were expected re pe insi— general election were expected re is past ear,— general election were expected to be just out, that both nadine denies— to be just out, that both nadine i>erries ani— to be just out, that both nadine dorries and nigel— to be just out, that both nadine dorries and nigel adams had said rney-i— dorries and nigel adams had said rney-i pe— dorries and nigel adams had said they'd be standing— dorries and nigel adams had said they'd be standing down at the me— they'd be standing down at the zezr generai— they'd be standing down at the 2024 general election. so this is a— 2024 general election. so this is a snange— 2024 general election. so this is a change from— 2024 general election. so this is a change from their original pesirien— is a change from their original pesirien anis— is a change from their original position, this calling of these we— position, this calling of these we py— position, this calling of these two by elections. _ position, this calling of these two by elections. in the case of rnese— two by elections. in the case of rnese awe— two by elections. in the case of these two mps— two by elections. in the case of these two mps is— two by elections. in the case of these two mps is a— two by elections. in the case of these two mps is a rather raiisai— these two mps is a rather radical bringing forward of ineir— radical bringing forward of their retirement date than had been— their retirement date than had been expected— their retirement date than had been expected . _ their retirement date than had been expected . viii; : been expected. what does this tell us about sunak? the prime minister's authority over the conservative party? did he have

an opportunity to stop this from unfolding as it has ? well, it's unfolding as it has? well, it's curious. it can be viewed in two ways.— curious. it can be viewed in two ways. en— curious. it can be viewed in two ways. en rne— curious. it can be viewed in two ways. on are ene— ic ” it can be viewed in two ways. on the one hand, it ric. ” it can be viewed in two ways. on the one hand, it shows anar— ways. on the one hand, it shows rnar isisni — ways. on the one hand, it shows that rishi sunak— ways. on the one hand, it shows that rishi sunak does not have an grip— that rishi sunak does not have an iron grip over— that rishi sunak does not have an iron grip over his party, anar— an iron grip over his party, rnar rnere— an iron grip over his party, that there are _ an iron grip over his party, that there are rebellious individuals— that there are rebellious individuals within it who at ieasr— individuals within it who at ieasr insi— individuals within it who at least just incidentally , are least just incidentally, are going— least just incidentally, are geing re— least just incidentally, are going to cause— least just incidentally, are going to cause him harm whether rney— going to cause him harm whether rney wani— going to cause him harm whether rney wanr re— going to cause him harm whether rney wanr re er— going to cause him harm whether they want to or not,— going to cause him harm whether they want to or not, of course, is a— they want to or not, of course, is a matter— they want to or not, of course, is a matter for— they want to or not, of course, is a matter for debate. on the erner— is a matter for debate. on the erner nami— is a matter for debate. on the other hand, it— is a matter for debate. on the other hand, it has— is a matter for debate. on the other hand, it has been noted by seerai— other hand, it has been noted by several commentators that if new — several commentators that if new sanai— several commentators that if rishi sunak is— several commentators that if rishi sunak is very unlucky in rnese— rishi sunak is very unlucky in rnese rnree— rishi sunak is very unlucky in these three general elections, rnese— these three general elections, rnese rnree — these three general elections, those three seats— these three general elections, those three seats might be represenrei— those three seats might be represented by— those three seats might be represented by mps who wish to do represented by mps who wish to ie nin — represented by mps who wish to ie nin great— represented by mps who wish to do him great political harm. weii— do him great political harm. weii see— do him great political harm. well, some might suggest that rney—represenrl well, some might suggest that they—represent byj they were already represent by iris— they were already represent by iris wne— they were already represent by iris wne iii— they were already represent by mps who did not— they were already represent by mps who did not want to see isisni— mps who did not want to see new sunak— mps who did not want to see rishi sunak succeed , so perhaps rishi sunak succeed, so perhaps iesing— rishi sunak succeed, so perhaps iesing rnese— rishi sunak succeed, so perhaps losing these three— rishi sunak succeed, so perhaps losing these three seats in the near— losing these three seats in the new in— losing these three seats in the new in are — losing these three seats in the new in are py— losing these three seats in the next in the by elections to come nignr— next in the by elections to come nignr ner— next in the by elections to come nignr ner pe— next in the by elections to come might not be changing the arithmetic— might not be changing the arithmetic in— might not be changing the arithmetic in the house of sernrnens— arithmetic in the house of commons as— arithmetic in the house of commons as much as the party iapeis— commons as much as the party iapeis nignr— commons as much as the party labels might have— commons as much as the party labels might have suggested that . neee is— labels might have suggested that , however, is speculation . but , however, is speculation. but of , however, is speculation. but

ei ir— , however, is speculation. but of course it would— , however, is speculation. but of course it would be wounding for of course it would be wounding rer isisni — of course it would be wounding for rishi sunak— of course it would be wounding for rishi sunak to— of course it would be wounding for rishi sunak to lose three nerienaiiy— for rishi sunak to lose three notionally safe— for rishi sunak to lose three notionally safe council conservative- notionally safe council conservative seats. it would peinr— conservative seats. it would peinr re— conservative seats. it would peinr re a— conservative seats. it would point to a prime— conservative seats. it would point to a prime minister who ner— point to a prime minister who was not on course— point to a prime minister who was not on course for a general eiesrien— was not on course for a general eiesrien wisrery— was not on course for a general election victory . _ was not on course for a general election victory . ' r: ririrc. election victory. and of course, tom just lastly, you say that and opposition parties, of course , unsurprisingly, are now course, unsurprisingly, are now calling for a general election. there are quite a lot of people around the country who are fed up of this infighting. around the country who are fed up of this infighting . yes, up of this infighting. yes, you're right. and c. g 3 yes, you're right. and indeed, it is sen— you're right. and indeed, it is sen ei— you're right. and indeed, it is sen ei rne— you're right. and indeed, it is sort of the raison_ you're right. and indeed, it is sort of the raison d'etre of eppesiiien— sort of the raison d'etre of opposition parties to call for generai— opposition parties to call for general elections. it's sort of wnar— general elections. it's sort of wnar rney— general elections. it's sort of wnar rney ie. — general elections. it's sort of what they do. it's— general elections. it's sort of what they do. it's what it's wnar— what they do. it's what it's wnar davie— what they do. it's what it's what david cameron did in in two rneasani— what david cameron did in in two rneasani ani— what david cameron did in in two thousand and seven. indeed in zoos— thousand and seven. indeed in zoos» ani— thousand and seven. indeed in oooo and in— thousand and seven. indeed in 2009 and in 2010.— thousand and seven. indeed in 2009 and in 2010. it's what jeremy— 2009 and in 2010. it's what jeremy serpyn— 2009 and in 2010. it's what jeremy corbyn did in 2017, 18, 19, jeremy corbyn did in 2017, 18, re, unri— jeremy corbyn did in 2017, 18, 19, until that— jeremy corbyn did in 2017, 18, 19, until that general election arriwei. — 19, until that general election arriwei. i— 19, until that general election arrived. i think— 19, until that general election arrived. i think it— 19, until that general election arrived. i think it would be reaiiy— arrived. i think it would be really rather— arrived. i think it would be really rather odd if the leader of really rather odd if the leader or rne— really rather odd if the leader of the opposition— really rather odd if the leader of the opposition was saying, no.— of the opposition was saying, we. no— of the opposition was saying, no, no, no, we shouldn't have an eiesrien— no, no, no, we shouldn't have an eiesrienlse— no, no, no, we shouldn't have an electioniso perhaps,— election. so perhaps, perhaps anar— election. so perhaps, perhaps rnarlre— election. so perhaps, perhaps rnarlre pe— election. so perhaps, perhaps that to be expected. however, that is to be expected. however, it is— that is to be expected. however, it is ripe— that is to be expected. however, it is was re— that is to be expected. however, it is true to say— that is to be expected. however, it is true to say that the iapear— it is true to say that the labour party _ it is true to say that the labour party riding high in

it is true to say that the labrpollsirty riding high in it is true to say that the labrpolls right riding high in it is true to say that the labrpolls right now1g high in it is true to say that the labrpolls right now and gh in it is true to say that the labrpolls right now and there the polls right now and there nasn-r— the polls right now and there nasn-r peen— the polls right now and there hasn't been a— the polls right now and there hasn't been a great deal of ewiiense— hasn't been a great deal of evidence to— hasn't been a great deal of evidence to show a grand rwrnarewni— evidence to show a grand turnaround in— evidence to show a grand turnaround in the fortunes of rne— turnaround in the fortunes of the conservative— turnaround in the fortunes of the conservative party. indeed, it's the conservative party. indeed, ir-s senerning— the conservative party. indeed, it's something that boris rennsen— it's something that boris johnson wrote- it's something that boris johnson wrote himself in his resignarien— johnson wrote himself in his resignation statement. perhaps resignation— resignation statement. perhaps resignation essay— resignation statement. perhaps resignation essay would be a pensi— resignation essay would be a better a— resignation essay would be a better a better— resignation essay would be a better a better word to describe it. better a better word to describe in ne— better a better word to describe in he said— better a better word to describe it. he said, when,— better a better word to describe it. he said, when, when, when, wnen— it. he said, when, when, when, wnen ne— it. he said, when, when, when, when he resigned— it. he said, when, when, when, when he resigned as prime minister,— when he resigned as prime minister, the— when he resigned as prime minister, the conservative party r— minister, the conservative party a er— minister, the conservative party a er s— minister, the conservative party was 4 or 5 points— minister, the conservative party was 4 or 5 points behind in the peiis— was 4 or 5 points behind in the peiis .— was 4 or 5 points behind in the peiis . ani— was 4 or 5 points behind in the peiis . one as— was 4 or 5 points behind in the polls . and as things stand that polls. and as things stand that owin— polls. and as things stand that suit. anar— polls. and as things stand that spin in gap— polls. and as things stand that gulf, that gap is— polls. and as things stand that gulf, that gap is considerable wiier. — gulf, that gap is considerable wiier. weii— gulf, that gap is considerable wider. well viewers don't need to wider. well viewers don't need re worry.— wider. well viewers don't need re werry. — wider. well viewers don't need re way we— wider. well viewers don't need to worry. we will— wider. well viewers don't need to worry. we will be- wider. well viewers don't need to worry. �*fii�*ri cc f: to worry. we will be screwed. ionising labour and their various pledges that don't seem to they well, they don't seem to have stuck by. so we'll be scrutinising those coming up later in the show . but thank you later in the show. but thank you very much for taking through very much for taking us through all johnson drama all the boris johnson drama deputy political reporter tom harwood there in sunny south london. thank you very much indeed. so joining me now is former member of the european parliament, david campbell bannerman, pollster bannerman, and pollster and professor politics at the professor of politics at the university of strathclyde. sir

john curtis, you very much john curtis, thank you very much indeed me . so indeed forjoining me. so i guess, john, where do we stand when it comes to the polling on all of this? i imagine that the pubucis all of this? i imagine that the public is very much divided on whether they think boris is a victim or whether he is the architect of his own demise . architect of his own demise. well, the pollsters haven't aiiressei— well, the pollsters haven't addressed that— well, the pollsters haven't addressed that question iiresiiy— addressed that question directly, but— addressed that question directly, but they have asked two— directly, but they have asked two srasiai— directly, but they have asked two crucial questions . is two crucial questions. is gwesrien— two crucial questions. is question number one, did boris rennsen— question number one, did boris johnson mislead— question number one, did boris johnson mislead the house of commonse— johnson mislead the house of commons? the— johnson mislead the house of commons? the latest polling from veaoew— commons? the latest polling from veaoew iene— commons? the latest polling from yougov done yesterday suggests anar— yougov done yesterday suggests rnar neariy— yougov done yesterday suggests that nearly two— yougov done yesterday suggests that nearly two thirds of people rnini— that nearly two thirds of people rnini anar— that nearly two thirds of people think that he— that nearly two thirds of people think that he did,— that nearly two thirds of people think that he did, and less than 1 in think that he did, and less than i in o— think that he did, and less than i in 5 mini— think that he did, and less than 1 in 5 think that— think that he did, and less than 1 in 5 think that he didn't. and neariy— 1 in 5 think that he didn't. and neariy a— 1 in 5 think that he didn't. and neariy a nai— 1 in 5 think that he didn't. and nearly a half of— 1 in 5 think that he didn't. and nearly a half of those people wne— nearly a half of those people wne werei— nearly a half of those people who voted conservative in 2019 mini— who voted conservative in 2019 rnini ne— who voted conservative in 2019 think he misled— who voted conservative in 2019 think he misled misled the house of think he misled misled the house ei cernrnens— think he misled misled the house of commons. equally if they have asked— of commons. equally if they have asked whether— of commons. equally if they have asked whether or— of commons. equally if they have asked whether or not he was rignr— asked whether or not he was rignr er— asked whether or not he was rignr er wreng— asked whether or not he was right or wrong to— asked whether or not he was right or wrong to resign , then right or wrong to resign, then again— right or wrong to resign, then again, neariy— right or wrong to resign, then again, nearly two thirds of peepie— again, nearly two thirds of peepie inini— again, nearly two thirds of people think he was right to resign— people think he was right to resign .— people think he was right to resign . ani— people think he was right to resign . and again, the figure resign. and again, the figure anengsr— resign. and again, the figure anengsr .— resign. and again, the figure amongst . conservative voters is amongst. conservative voters is neariy— amongst. conservative voters is neariy so.—

amongst. conservative voters is neariy so. ine— amongst. conservative voters is nearly 50. the honest truth is anar— nearly 50. the honest truth is in ar— nearly 50. the honest truth is that at least— nearly 50. the honest truth is that at least so— nearly 50. the honest truth is that at least so far as whether or ner— that at least so far as whether er nei peepie— that at least so far as whether or not people feel— that at least so far as whether or not people feel that boris rennsen— or not people feel that boris rennsen is— or not people feel that boris johnson is telling the truth or not johnson is telling the truth or net aperi— johnson is telling the truth or not about partygate , the public not about partygate, the public nave— not about partygate, the public nave peen— not about partygate, the public have been pretty— not about partygate, the public have been pretty sceptical ever sise— have been pretty sceptical ever anar— have been pretty sceptical ever since that whole— have been pretty sceptical ever since that whole row first energet— since that whole row first emerged in— since that whole row first emerged in december 2021, with anar— emerged in december 2021, with in new— emerged in december 2021, with that now famous— emerged in december 2021, with that now famous clip of allegra srrarren— that now famous clip of allegra stratton addressing a mock press conference and— stratton addressing a mock press conference and now, you know, many.— conference and now, you know, many. many— conference and now, you know, many, many months on the public are many, many months on the public perry— many, many months on the public are now pretty clearly of the view— are now pretty clearly of the anar— are now pretty clearly of the view that mr— are now pretty clearly of the view that mr johnson was indeed nisieaiing— view that mr johnson was indeed misleading statements to the noise— misleading statements to the noise or— misleading statements to the house of commons. so, yes , there house of commons. so, yes, there sriii— house of commons. so, yes, there sriii is— house of commons. so, yes, there sriii is an— house of commons. so, yes, there still is an element— house of commons. so, yes, there still is an element of— house of commons. so, yes, there still is an element of those who werei— still is an element of those who voted conservative,— still is an element of those who voted conservative, who do trust the voted conservative, who do trust rne nine— voted conservative, who do trust the prime minister— voted conservative, who do trust the prime minister but they are very— the prime minister but they are wery nwsn— the prime minister but they are now very much decided a nineriiy— now very much decided a minority, certainly within the papiis— minority, certainly within the papiis as— minority, certainly within the papiis as a— minority, certainly within the public as a whole. i'm probably winin— public as a whole. i'm probably wirnin rne— public as a whole. i'm probably within the broader— public as a whole. i'm probably within the broader body of conservative _ within the broader body of conservative voters. interesting. - conservative voters. interesting. david i'll put that question to you directly . uh, do question to you directly. uh, do you believe boris johnson is a victim or. he's been the architect of his own demise ? um

architect of his own demise? um um, i think he's a victim . i um, i think he's a victim. i think this has been a witch hunt . inn.— think this has been a witch hunt . in. i— think this has been a witch hunt . in. i mean— think this has been a witch hunt . um, i mean, polling- think this has been a witch hunt . um, i mean, polling actually reflects. i'm sure sirjohn, who reflects. i'm sure sir john, who i've got huge regard for, by the way, um , you know, would would , way, um, you know, would would, would reinforce this, that, you know, polling reflects aukus media. and if you've had 3 or 4 months of being attacked as bods months of being attacked as boris was over the cake which in the privileges committee we found out he never actually ate or saw , um, then you know , they or saw, um, then you know, they are going to be swayed by that . are going to be swayed by that. and i think we've had a kangaroo court. it is a kangaroo court. i mean, you know what what court of law would allow a judge to tweet three times saying the defendant is guilty before the they actually hear the evidence. i mean, that's what happened in this committee . so i you know , i this committee. so i you know, i understand the effect on the polling, but boris is a remarkable politician . and i remarkable politician. and i believe he'll he will bounce back from this. and you know, he he has had form in actually

winning an election against the odds with a massive majority of the biggest since 1987. david, just on that people who are speaking out in support of boris does seem to be well, the number does seem to be well, the number does seem to be well, the number does seem to be shrinking. it does seem to be shrinking. it does seem to be shrinking. it does seem as though people were saying— does seem as though people were saying anar— does seem as though people were saying that there— does seem as though people were saying that there may be six, seven resignate _ saying that there may be six, seven resignate russians inneiiareiy— seven resignate russians immediately after boris rennsen-s— immediately after boris rennsen-s .— immediately after boris johnson's . that doesn't seem to johnson's. that doesn't seem to nave— johnson's. that doesn't seem to nave re— johnson's. that doesn't seem to have come to fruition. we've eniy— have come to fruition. we've eniy nai— have come to fruition. we've only had nadine— have come to fruition. we've only had nadine dorries and wigei— only had nadine dorries and wigei asians.— only had nadine dorries and nigel adams. do you think boris rennsen— nigel adams. do you think boris rennsen nas— nigel adams. do you think boris johnson has the _ nigel adams. do you think boris johnson has the support of the pains— johnson has the support of the papiis re— johnson has the support of the papiis re pe— johnson has the support of the public to be able— johnson has the support of the public to be able to come back, to public to be able to come back, re pe— public to be able to come back, re pe apie— public to be able to come back, re pe apie re— public to be able to come back, to be able to garner the support he to be able to garner the support no ense— to be able to garner the support no nai— to be able to garner the support he once had ? _ to be able to garner the support he once had ? uh,— to be able to garner the support he once had ? uh, i- to be able to garner the support he once had ? c." r:rir i he once had? uh, i do actually. and i think there will be further resignations. maybe not at the moment, but i think in the pipeline soon. um, and you know, i mean what people discuss aboutis know, i mean what people discuss about is getting rid of such a popular prime minister, you know, such a successful prime minister with no mandate. we, we've got a prime minister who was rejected two months before being forced out by mps on the

nafion being forced out by mps on the nation . now it's under nation. now it's under democratic and it's a lack of democracy which is worrying people. and boris referred to the lack of democracy in this privileged committee. so i think he's been very hard done by and i think he will come back stronger. and actually, he's he's free and he's dangerous now, boris and i think he will be he'll be say some very interesting things. and i think sunakis interesting things. and i think sunak is on borrowed time as a result of this . that may well be result of this. that may well be be result of this. that may well be is was — result of this. that may well be is was .— result of this. that may well be is was . sir— result of this. that may well be be true . sirjohn,— that may well be be true . sirjohn, polling be true. sirjohn, polling expen— be true. sirjohn, polling expen .— be true. sirjohn, polling expen . ie— be true. sirjohn, polling expert , do you think there is expert, do you think there is a gap— expert, do you think there is a gap in_ expert, do you think there is a gap in rne— expert, do you think there is a gap in the market— expert, do you think there is a gap in the market for a new sentie— gap in the market for a new senrre rignr— gap in the market for a new centre right party? well, the ga— centre right party? well, the fast anar— centre right party? well, the fast in you — centre right party? well, the fact that you ask that question does— fact that you ask that question does reii— fact that you ask that question does reii yew— fact that you ask that question does tell you something about the does tell you something about are stare— does tell you something about are state or— does tell you something about the state of the— does tell you something about the state of the conservative party— the state of the conservative party ar— the state of the conservative rany ar rne— the state of the conservative party at the moment. /rirc. the state of the conservative party at the moment. v/rirc. party at the moment. you know, mr reinser— party at the moment. you know, mr johnson has certainly added fuel to the concerns that are already there. one car, mr sunak possibly win a general election to who is mr sunak determine to reduce the size of the state. although of course the growth in

the size of the state, the growth in taxation, the growth in spending actually in public spending actually occurred johnson's occurred under mr johnson's watch. and thirdly , the concern watch. and thirdly, the concern that mr sunak is too willing to compromise with the european union over the future of brexit, and that although he voted leave , he's not necessarily a true believer. those arguments are certainly going on. but i think what one also has to realise is that if mr sunak is going to have a chance of winning the next general election, then actually what he is going to have to is going to have to do is he is going to have to do is he is going to have try to line in have to try to draw a line in voters minds between one boris johnson's administration and two liz truss, because at the end of the day, in the wake of partygate boris johnson's popularity , which is by the way, popularity, which is by the way, was always confined to those who voted leave. boris johnson was never a very popular prime minister he was very popular amongst those who voted leave. his success rested on his ability on persuading them to vote conservative. in 2019. but even amongst that group, his popularity fell away in the wake

of partygate and of course, the liz truss fiscal event is something that plunged the conservatives into very deep electoral difficulty . mr sunak electoral difficulty. mr sunak has to persuade people he is a new administration and i think bods new administration and i think boris johnson being outside the house of commons, although it's going to cause difficulty in the short run, particularly with respect which respect by elections, which won't necessarily be easy to defend the longer run. defend in the longer run. perhaps it gives mr mr sunak a greater opportunity to distance himself from his two predecessors and david, just finally on that brexit question, what does this mean for brexiteers? is there a fear now anar— brexiteers? is there a fear now in win— brexiteers? is there a fear now that with boris— brexiteers? is there a fear now that with boris gone- fitiix c is there a fear now that with boris gone out of the peiirisai— that with boris gone out of the peiirisai game.— that with boris gone out of the political game, brexit could sen— political game, brexit could son or— political game, brexit could son or rais— political game, brexit could sort of fade away ambitions for making— sort of fade away ambitions for making rne— sort of fade away ambitions for making the most— sort of fade away ambitions for making the most of it, whatever anar— making the most of it, whatever rnar ieeis— making the most of it, whatever that looks like— making the most of it, whatever that looks like ,_ making the most of it, whatever that looks like , may fade away that looks like, may fade away ree — that looks like, may fade away ree wei— that looks like, may fade away ree weii. inn— that looks like, may fade away to? well, i'm very— that looks like, may fade away to? r: air: to? well, i'm very disappointed at what the government's been doing. i mean the retained eu law bill, which gets rid of a lot of excessive eu laws as that's been watered down almost to the point of not happening at

all. the windsor agreement with northern ireland gives the eu a lot of power . northern ireland gives the eu a lot of power. i'm afraid this isn't a proper brexit government andifs isn't a proper brexit government and it's showing wrong. and the brexit. a lot of those brexit supporters have left and are not going to come back unless you get boris back. actually and they'll trust boris . and it's they'll trust boris. and it's very interesting what sir john says that, you know, he was never particularly popular. and i what partygate has done i think what partygate has done is actually those that is actually just those that always hated him have hate him even now. and. but you even more now. and. but you know, let's not let's not wipe out the fact that he is still very popular among some large numbers of the public and certainly the party. yeah he is. he is. certainly the party. yeah he is. heis.and certainly the party. yeah he is. he is. and there is a little bit of he is. and there is a little bit or nenr— he is. and there is a little bit of brexit derangement derangement syndrome sometimes that derangement syndrome sometimes rnar gees— derangement syndrome sometimes in gees inro— derangement syndrome sometimes that goes into boris— derangement syndrome sometimes that goes into boris derangement syndrome— that goes into boris derangement syndrome .— that goes into boris derangement syndrome . i— that goes into boris derangement syndrome . i think— that goes into boris derangement syndrome . i think that is fair syndrome. i think that is fair to syndrome. i think that is fair re say. — syndrome. i think that is fair re say. inani— syndrome. i think that is fair to say. thank you very much inieei— to say. thank you very much inieei ier— to say. thank you very much indeed for both— to say. thank you very much indeed for both of your time. rerner—rne- indeed for both of your time.- former_the european former member of the european iariianeni— parliament, david campbell bannerman and pollster and professor— bannerman and pollster and professor politics at the professor of politics at the iiniwersiry— professor of politics at the university strathclyde, sir university of strathclyde, sir renn —yea - university of strathclyde, siri ienn —yen wery john curtice, thank you very nwsn— john curtice, thank you very nwsnlyear— john curtice, thank you very much .your time- john curtice, thank you very much your time this sunday much for your time this sunday

afternoon. — afternoon. now lots of you have been— afternoon. now lots of you have teen-rewi— afternoon. now lots of you have been touch. maggie been getting in touch. maggie has been getting in touch. maggie nas—nas- been getting in touch. maggie nas—nas nai- been getting in touch. maggie. has—has had enough has to say boris has had enough of has to say boris has had enough ei—rernaners- has to say boris has had enough of_remainers and. of conservative remainers and giepaiisrs— of conservative remainers and giepaiisrs .— of conservative remainers and globalists . mps— of conservative remainers and globalists . mps have finally globalists. mps have finally gene— globalists. mps have finally gene .— globalists. mps have finally gene . oer— globalists. mps have finally gene . oer ria— globalists. mps have finally gone . got rid of— globalists. mps have finally gone . got rid of him. there you gone. got rid of him. there you 90, gone. got rid of him. there you go iiargarer— gone. got rid of him. there you go iiargarer says— gone. got rid of him. there you go, margaret says at the moment, peris— go, margaret says at the moment, ions is— go, margaret says at the moment, boris is earning— go, margaret says at the moment, boris is earning millions on the speaking—ioni- speaking circuit. so i don't rnini— speaking circuit. so i don't rnini ne-s— speaking circuit. so i don't think he's really bothered about being— think he's really bothered about being an— think he's really bothered about being an up. — think he's really bothered about being an mp. don't know being an mp. oh, i don't know aperi— being an mp. oh, i don't know about anar— being an mp. oh, i don't know arena in .— being an mp. oh, i don't know about that . he— being an mp. oh, i don't know about that . he does have about that. he does have a ego— about that. he does have a massive ego and an a , massive ego and being an a, being—bring being a politician does bring you— being a politician does bring you-.— being a politician does bring yew-. wnisn- being a politician does bring yew-. wnisn i- being a politician does bring you , which i think he you power, which i think he iiies. — you power, which i think he iiies. .says— you power, which i think he likes. says johnson has no likes. gary says johnson has no siass— likes. gary says johnson has no siass ani— likes. gary says johnson has no siass and is— likes. gary says johnson has no class and is acting— likes. gary says johnson has no class and is acting like a speiir— class and is acting like a spoilt child. _ class and is acting like a spoilt child. he obviously ieesn-r— spoilt child. he obviously doesn't care— spoilt child. he obviously doesn't care about the tory rany. — doesn't care about the tory rany. -wanrs- doesn't care about the tory party. wants attention. party. he just wants attention. everyone— party. he just wants attention. iweryenelinew— party. he just wants attention. everyone know rolls their eyes everyone i know rolls their eyes wnen— everyone i know rolls their eyes wnen ne-s— everyone i know rolls their eyes when he's mentioned . well, yes, when he's mentioned. well, yes, pernaps— when he's mentioned. well, yes, pernapslne— when he's mentioned. well, yes, pernapslne iii— when he's mentioned. well, yes, perhaps he did care about the perhaps if he did care about the conservative— perhaps if he did care about the conservative-cared. conservative party and cared aperi— conservative party and cared about conservative government, about a conservative government, he about a conservative government, ne—sappen- about a conservative government, ne—swppen peninil he would put his support behind isisni—senainiyl rishi sunak, which he certainly is ner— rishi sunak, which he certainly is not doing.— rishi sunak, which he certainly is not doing,-says. - rishi sunak, which he certainly is not doing, says. for is not doing, barrie says. for geeiness— is not doing, barrie says. for goodness sake,— is not doing, barrie says. for goodness sake, boris was the pesi— goodness sake, boris was the pesi rning— goodness sake, boris was the best thing-hit— goodness sake, boris was the best thing hit politics for best thing to hit politics for years— best thing to hit politics for years linew— best thing to hit politics for years. i know lots- best thing to hit politics for years. know lots of people and years. i know lots of people and ainesr— years. i know lots of people and ainesr aii— years. i know lots of people and almost all think— years. i know lots of people and almost all think britain is much worse-without— almost all think britain is much worse without him. well, worse off without him. well, rnee— worse off without him. well, rnere yew— worse off without him. well, rnere yen ge. — worse off without him. well, rnere yen go i— worse off without him. well, there you go. i think our inbox very— there you go. i think our inbox wery nwsn— there you go. i think our inbox very much reflects how divisive anis— very much reflects how divisive rnis issue— very much reflects how divisive rnis is.— very much reflects how divisive this issue is, how— very much reflects how divisive this issue is, how divisive iiwiies— this issue is, how divisive divides lviv_ this issue is, how divisive divides lviv boris johnson is very— divides lviv boris johnson is very nasn— divides lviv boris johnson is very much marmite character.

inere— very much marmite character. inere keep— very much marmite character. there keep your— very much marmite character. there keep your views coming in. owessripe— there keep your views coming in. swpssripe re — there keep your views coming in. subscribe to our— there keep your views coming in. subscribe to our youtube snannei— subscribe to our youtube channel. follow us on twitter. were— channel. follow us on twitter. were ar— channel. follow us on twitter. were at on— channel. follow us on twitter. we're at gb news. you are warsning— we're at gb news. you are watching and— we're at gb news. you are watching and listening to gb news.— news. sunday with me, emily carver.— news. sunday with me, emily carver. -iers- news. sunday with me, emily carver. _lots more. carver. we've got lots more sening— carver. we've got lots more sening rp— carver. we've got lots more sening up en— carver. we've got lots more coming up on today's show, insiwiing— coming up on today's show, including-home- coming up on today's show,- including-home-will including the home office will no ienger— including the home office will no longer treat— including the home office will no longer treat irregular arriwais— no longer treat irregular arrivals like— no longer treat irregular arrivals like channel crossings iiiierenriy— arrivals like channel crossings differently from _ arrivals like channel crossings differently from asylum differently from other asylum seekers. how— differently from other asylum seekers. how feel about seekers. how do you feel about anis— seekers. how do you feel about we e— seekers. how do you feel about we e coria— seekers. how do you feel about this .7 could this— seekers. how do you feel about this ? could this be a risk to this? could this be a risk to saierye— this? could this be a risk to our safety? don't- this? could this be a risk to our safety? don't anywhere

radio. welcome back to gb news sunday— radio. welcome back to gb news sunday win— radio. welcome back to gb news snniay wirn ne— radio. welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on year— sunday with me, emily carver on year iv.— sunday with me, emily carver on yew iv. eniine— sunday with me, emily carver on your tv, online and— sunday with me, emily carver on your tv, online and digital radio. — your tv, online and digital radio. wew.— your tv, online and digital radio. kriri your tv, online and digital radio. kiri your tv, online and digital radio. kriri clecc radio. now, earlier this week, there was a horrific knife attack in annecy in france , and attack in annecy in france, and it got me thinking about whether we vet people who are crossing the channel to this country adequately or not. there is talk of amnesty, giving amnesty to thousands of people who have come across that way, asylum seekers and i do worry whether the home office , in a bid to be the home office, in a bid to be speedy and quick with processing

and get through that backlog might miss people who could be a potential threat . so is our potential threat. so is our safety being put at risk by our asylum system ? joining me now is asylum system? joining me now is former detective sergeant merseyside police and lecturer at leeds beckett university, david lowe. david, when you saw what happened in annecy, were you reminded of what we saw in reading in a park , in reading, reading in a park, in reading, for example, when a failed asylum seeker also went on a rampage ? and i worry that and rampage? and i worry that and this is not to colour all asylum seekers in a negative light, but i do worry that our home office and our border security aren't vetting people closely enough . vetting people closely enough. yeah i think you're right. i, you know, also to make / r:“ i, you know, also to make the yeah i think you're right. i,- you know, also to make the point anar— you know, also to make the point in were— you know, also to make the point in ner— you know, also to make the point that we're not talking about all asyiwn— that we're not talking about all asylum seekers— that we're not talking about all asylum seekers who are coming nee.— asylum seekers who are coming nee—igni- asylum seekers who are coming nee—rignr i here, but you're quite right. oii— here, but you're quite right. did remember— here, but you're quite right. did remember the incident at reading— did remember the incident at iseaiinglaise— did remember the incident at reading also remember the reading? i also remember the insiienr— reading? i also remember the insiienr in— reading? i also remember the incident in my— reading? i also remember the incident in my home city where i iron in— incident in my home city where i come from in liverpool with an

asyian— come from in liverpool with an asyinn seeei— come from in liverpool with an asylum seeker was— come from in liverpool with an asylum seeker was dealt with as asylum seeker was dealt with as arerrerisr— asylum seeker was dealt with as a terrorist incident— asylum seeker was dealt with as a terrorist incident he a terrorist incident where he nai— a terrorist incident where he nae an— a terrorist incident where he had an improvised explosive iewise— had an improvised explosive iewise in— had an improvised explosive iewise in a— had an improvised explosive device in a taxi— had an improvised explosive device in a taxi that detonated earsiie— device in a taxi that detonated outside a— device in a taxi that detonated outside a women's hospital. so we nave— outside a women's hospital. so we nave nai— outside a women's hospital. so we have had some— outside a women's hospital. so we have had some incidents reiarei— we have had some incidents reiarei re— we have had some incidents related to asylum seeking . and related to asylum seeking. and you knew— related to asylum seeking. and yen inew wnar— related to asylum seeking. and you know what is— related to asylum seeking. and you know what is quite the point 7 you know what is quite the point over— you know what is quite the point even knew.— you know what is quite the point even knew. you— you know what is quite the point ? you know, you look at france ani— ? you know, you look at france and rney— ? you know, you look at france and they haven't— ? you know, you look at france and they haven't treated it as a terrorist— and they haven't treated it as a terrorist incident,— and they haven't treated it as a terrorist incident, but you're ieeiing— terrorist incident, but you're ieeiing ar— terrorist incident, but you're looking at someone who is issues wirn— looking at someone who is issues wirn nis— looking at someone who is issues wirn nis asyian— looking at someone who is issues with his asylum seeking in sweeten.— with his asylum seeking in sweden, then— with his asylum seeking in sweden, then travels to france ani— sweden, then travels to france and ansies— sweden, then travels to france and carries out— sweden, then travels to france and carries out that horrendous arrasi— and carries out that horrendous arrasi .— and carries out that horrendous arrasi . ani— and carries out that horrendous attack . and you— and carries out that horrendous attack . and you and you look at attack. and you and you look at wne— attack. and you and you look at wne ne— attack. and you and you look at who he targets,— attack. and you and you look at who he targets, i— attack. and you and you look at who he targets, i think made it even more disgusting, really, inan— even more disgusting, really, in wnar— even more disgusting, really, than what we— even more disgusting, really, than what we would normally expesr— than what we would normally expesr .— than what we would normally eapesr . oar.— than what we would normally expect . but, you— than what we would normally expect . but, you know, we have expect. but, you know, we have to expect. but, you know, we have re pe— expect. but, you know, we have re pe sareiai— expect. but, you know, we have to be careful with— expect. but, you know, we have to be careful with who's coming inro— to be careful with who's coming into anis— to be careful with who's coming into this country— to be careful with who's coming into this country .— to be careful with who's coming into this country . we have to into this country. we have to make— into this country. we have to make sure that,— into this country. we have to make sure that, as you said , the make sure that, as you said, the wearing— make sure that, as you said, the wearing is— make sure that, as you said, the wearing is done— make sure that, as you said, the vetting is done properly. emily ani— vetting is done properly. emily one new— vetting is done properly. emily one new san— vetting is done properly. emily and how can the— vetting is done properly. emily and how can the government go aperi— and how can the government go about rnise — and how can the government go about this? because- and how can the government go about this? i about this? because as we know, there are tens of thousands of people crossing in a dinghy to

the dover coast. how can the home office get this right when it comes to vetting? because the process must be so difficult. people don't have their documentation. people are coming from war zones . people are from war zones. people are coming from across the entire globe . how does it actually work globe. how does it actually work in practise how do we make sure that someone crossing the channel isn't going to be a risk to our national security ? well, to our national security? well, that's that is a very— ” i ” c well, that's that is a very important question— that's that is a very important question ani— that's that is a very important question and an— that's that is a very important question and an important issue to question and an important issue re eseie— question and an important issue to resolve because— question and an important issue to resolve because as you said, yes— to resolve because as you said, ye ger— to resolve because as you said, ye gei varying— to resolve because as you said, you've got varying causes of why peepie— you've got varying causes of why peepie wani— you've got varying causes of why peepie wanr re— you've got varying causes of why people want to come to this seaniry— people want to come to this seanrry. as— people want to come to this sennrry. as yea— people want to come to this country. as you said , we have country. as you said, we have peiirisai— country. as you said, we have our political asylum seekers, rnese— our political asylum seekers, rnese wnese— our political asylum seekers, those whose lives and their ianiiies— those whose lives and their families, whose— those whose lives and their families, whose lives are at near.— families, whose lives are at rnrear. we— families, whose lives are at threat. we have— families, whose lives are at threat. we have economic nigranrs. — threat. we have economic nigranis. we— threat. we have economic migrants. we have that sort of wide— migrants. we have that sort of wide area— migrants. we have that sort of wide ei— migrants. we have that sort of wide area of people coming in. i een-r— wide area of people coming in. i een-r rnini— wide area of people coming in. i don't think we've— wide area of people coming in. i don't think we've got proper iasiiiries. — don't think we've got proper facilities. certainly at the sewin— facilities. certainly at the south coast— facilities. certainly at the south coast to - facilities. certainly at the south coast to deal with this eiiesriweiy. — south coast to deal with this effectively. that— south coast to deal with this effectively. that is one problem ger. — effectively. that is one problem ger. wewe— effectively. that is one problem we've got. we've got a home eiiise— we've got. we've got a home eiiise wne-s— we've got. we've got a home office who's been— we've got. we've got a home office who's been more hell bent on wnar— office who's been more hell bent on wnar re— office who's been more hell bent on wnar re ie— office who's been more hell bent on what to do with—

office who's been more hell bent on what to do with people when rney— on what to do with people when rney sene— on what to do with people when rney in— on what to do with people when they come in and— on what to do with people when they come in and send them back. i they come in and send them back. i mean— they come in and send them back. i yew— they come in and send them back. i yew ieei— they come in and send them back. i mean, you look at— they come in and send them back. i mean, you look at the money rney— i mean, you look at the money rney spenr— i mean, you look at the money they spent-this— i mean, you look at the money they spent this rwanda they spent on this rwanda pregranne— they spent on this rwanda- programme,_could have they spent on this rwanda- progrrbetter _could have they spent on this rwanda- progrrbetter spent-could have they spent on this rwanda progrrbetter spent at could have they spent on this rwanda progrrbetter spent at havingld have been better spent at having preper— been better spent at having proper detention in areas. and wnen— proper detention in areas. and wnen i— proper detention in areas. and wnen i say— proper detention in areas. and when i say detention areas now, een-r— when i say detention areas now, een-r wear— when i say detention areas now, een-r near ir— when i say detention areas now, don't treat it like— when i say detention areas now, don't treat it like a— when i say detention areas now, don't treat it like a prison or a seii— don't treat it like a prison or a seii-nawe— don't treat it like a prison or a cell. have where they can a cell. you have where they can be a cell. you have where they can to tear— a cell. you have where they can is ieair witn— a cell. you have where they can be dealt with properly and rney-re— be dealt with properly and they're properly equipped . the they're properly equipped. the rney-re— they're properly equipped. the rney-re peing— they're properly equipped. the they're being fed correctly, rney-re— they're being fed correctly, rney-re peing— they're being fed correctly, they're being housed correctly ani— they're being housed correctly and ier— they're being housed correctly and ier rne— they're being housed correctly and let the process and take the rime— and let the process and take the rims re— and let the process and take the rims re ge— and let the process and take the time to go through— and let the process and take the time to go through this, because this time to go through this, because we is— time to go through this, because we is rne— time to go through this, because this is the problem— time to go through this, because this is the problem . we've got, this is the problem. we've got, iniiy. — this is the problem. we've got, iniiy. wewe— this is the problem. we've got, iniiy. wewe ger— this is the problem. we've got, emily. we've got individuals who are emily. we've got individuals who sening— emily. we've got individuals who are coming through , obviously are coming through, obviously rnese— are coming through, obviously rnese wne— are coming through, obviously those who come— are coming through, obviously those who come in illegally and een-r— those who come in illegally and een-r ge— those who come in illegally and een-r ge rnrengn— those who come in illegally and don't go through this process rnar-s— don't go through this process rnar-s rnar-s— don't go through this process that's that's another issue. but ieeiing— that's that's another issue. but ieeiing ar— that's that's another issue. but looking at those— that's that's another issue. but looking at those who do, i don't rnini— looking at those who do, i don't rnini rney-re— looking at those who do, i don't think they're going through the pses— think they're going through the process diligently and with enewgn— process diligently and with enewgn ei— process diligently and with enough of those protecting us win— enough of those protecting us win rnese— enough of those protecting us with these odd— enough of those protecting us with these odd ones that will rnrewgn— with these odd ones that will come through and pose a danger to come through and pose a danger re as— come through and pose a danger re wean— come through and pose a danger to us. yeah and— come through and pose a danger to us. yeah and it's— come through and pose a danger to us. yeah and it's very interesting. _ to us. yeah and it's very interesting. i- to us. yeah and it's very interesting. r:rir“ c �*c interesting. i don't know if you've seen, course, you've seen, but of course, europe are having many of the same conversations. we are in this country . we not least this country. we not least because of that attack in

annecy, but it was reported that germany wants to adopt a rwanda style scheme for the european union, something like this. it seems that every country in europe is trying to tackle this problem, finding it extremely hard. you don't seem to think that rwanda style schemes are the way forward . well, you've the way forward. well, you've got re — the way forward. well, you've got re pe — the way forward. well, you've gei re is very— the way forward. well, you've got to be very careful- : well, you've got to be very careful what's wnar-s— got to be very careful what's was we — got to be very careful what's what's the main— got to be very careful what's what's the main priority ? where what's the main priority? where are what's the main priority? where yea— what's the main priority? where yea geing— what's the main priority? where yea geing re— what's the main priority? where are you going to spend your money— are you going to spend your money ene— are you going to spend your money on? and— are you going to spend your money on? and you know, you aise— money on? and you know, you oernany— money on? and you know, you oernany .— money on? and you know, you raise germany . it's a really raise germany. it's a really good— raise germany. it's a really geei eaanpie— raise germany. it's a really good example. in some ways, rney-re— good example. in some ways, they're paying— good example. in some ways, they're paying the price for the angeia— they're paying the price for the angela merkel's_ they're paying the price for the angela merkel's decision to open the angela merkel's decision to open rne ieers— angela merkel's decision to open the doors widely— angela merkel's decision to open the doors widely .— angela merkel's decision to open the doors widely . and you've got the doors widely. and you've got erner— the doors widely. and you've got other consequences that have nappenei— other consequences that have happened where— other consequences that have happened where you've got asylum seeeirs— happened where you've got asylum seeeirs peing— happened where you've got asylum seekers being put— happened where you've got asylum seekers being put up in areas in snaii— seekers being put up in areas in snaii rewns— seekers being put up in areas in small towns and— seekers being put up in areas in small towns and villages, and yee— small towns and villages, and ye ger— small towns and villages, and ye gei rne— small towns and villages, and you've got the local people now gaesiiening— you've got the local people now questioning, well,— you've got the local people now questioning, well, if they're gearing— questioning, well, if they're getting aii— questioning, well, if they're getting all these benefits, rney-re— getting all these benefits, they're getting all all this treatment— they're getting all all this treatment .— they're getting all all this treatment . what about the treatment. what about the indigenous— treatment. what about the indigenous people ? and they're indigenous people? and they're seeing— indigenous people? and they're seeing a— indigenous people? and they're seeing a rise— indigenous people? and they're seeing a rise in— indigenous people? and they're seeing a rise in extremism and in errernisrn— seeing a rise in extremism and in extremism, certainly far rignr— in extremism, certainly far right extremism, which is, you knew.— right extremism, which is, you know. an— right extremism, which is, you know. an issae— right extremism, which is, you know, an issue that, you know , know, an issue that, you know, iees— know, an issue that, you know, iees nave— know, an issue that, you know,

iees nave nave— know, an issue that, you know, does have have consequences with it. does have have consequences with in i— does have have consequences with in i mean— does have have consequences with in i w-wee— does have have consequences with it. i mean, we've seen it here ani— it. i mean, we've seen it here and in— it. i mean, we've seen it here and in rne— it. i mean, we've seen it here and in the republic of ireland wirn— and in the republic of ireland wirn preresrs— and in the republic of ireland with protests outside asylum seeeirs— with protests outside asylum seekers . now,— with protests outside asylum seekers . now, you know, and we seekers. now, you know, and we very— seekers. now, you know, and we wery wieienr— seekers. now, you know, and we saw very violent one in the inewsiey— saw very violent one in the knowsley area— saw very violent one in the knowsley area a- saw very violent one in the knowsley area a good few months ago. — knowsley area a good few months age. so— knowsley area a good few months age. so on— knowsley area a good few months age. se en rep— knowsley area a good few months age. se en rep ei— knowsley area a good few months ago. so on top of having this pses— ago. so on top of having this pses ani— ago. so on top of having this process and where where you're pairing— process and where where you're pairing rnese— process and where where you're putting these people, that is an issae— putting these people, that is an issue because— putting these people, that is an issue because then that sort of causes problems— issue because then that sort of causes problems within the sennaniry— causes problems within the community as— causes problems within the community as well as individuals wne— community as well as individuals wne are— community as well as individuals wne sening— community as well as individuals who are coming in,— community as well as individuals who are coming in, who've got to be who are coming in, who've got to is preperiy— who are coming in, who've got to be properly vetted— who are coming in, who've got to be properly vetted .— who are coming in, who've got to be properly vetted . and that's be properly vetted. and that's new— be properly vetted. and that's new a— be properly vetted. and that's new a preper— be properly vetted. and that's how a proper detention centre nave— how a proper detention centre nave a— how a proper detention centre nawe a preper— how a proper detention centre have a proper system at the point— have a proper system at the point or— have a proper system at the peini er entry— have a proper system at the point of entry rather than ieeiing— point of entry rather than ieeiing ar— point of entry rather than looking at the— point of entry rather than looking at the exit, let's get rne— looking at the exit, let's get are entry— looking at the exit, let's get rne enrry rignr— looking at the exit, let's get the entry right and then we'll eeai— the entry right and then we'll ieai witn— the entry right and then we'll deal with the— the entry right and then we'll deal with the exit, if that makes— deal with the exit, if that makes sense— deal with the exit, if that makes sense . - deal with the exit, if that makes sense . iv/ritfr deal with the exit, if that makes sense. iv/rit: deal with the exit, if that makes sense . iv/rit: deal with the exit, if that— makes sense . yes, that does make deal with the exit, if that makes se sense. thank much sense. thank you very much indeed. former detective sergeant police sergeant at merseyside police and lecturer at leeds beckett university, david lowe. thank you very much indeed for your time. i think it is fair for people to question why our asylum system is not vetting people adequately. we cannot live in a country where national

security is not the top priority of our government . it should be of our government. it should be anyway. it has been very warm in many towns and cities yesterday . it is boiling hot in the studio. let me tell you. but more places likely see more places are likely to see thunderstorms . the met thunderstorms today. the met office has issued another yellow weather warning for thunderstorms a large thunderstorms covering a large part the country from midday part of the country from midday till pm. joining us now is till £0.09 pm. joining us now is our east midlands. reporter will hollis. are the storms hollis. will, are the storms brewing . good afternoon . yeah, brewing. good afternoon. yeah, well, it's quite overcast,- well, it's quite overcast, asraaiiy— well, it's quite overcast, actually right- well, it's quite overcast, actually right now here in wearingnan— actually right now here in nottingham .— actually right now here in nottingham . occasionally the nottingham. occasionally the prignr— nottingham. occasionally the prignr san— nottingham. occasionally the bright sun comes out and it's quite— bright sun comes out and it's gaire — bright sun comes out and it's quite warm. where i'm standing aiengsiie— quite warm. where i'm standing aiengsiie rne— quite warm. where i'm standing alongside the river. trent nenini— alongside the river. trent nenini ne— alongside the river. trent behind me you might see people sanparning— behind me you might see people sanparning er— behind me you might see people sunbathing or at— behind me you might see people sunbathing or at least trying to niie— sunbathing or at least trying to niie iron — sunbathing or at least trying to hide from the— sunbathing or at least trying to hide from the sun— sunbathing or at least trying to hide from the sun in the shade. inere— hide from the sun in the shade. inere are— hide from the sun in the shade. inere awe— hide from the sun in the shade. there are two things that you're reaiiy— there are two things that you're reaiiy peing— there are two things that you're really being warned about right wnen— really being warned about right wnen ir— really being warned about right now when it comes to the wearner. — now when it comes to the weather. number one is the amber wearner— weather. number one is the amber weather warning— weather. number one is the amber weather warning for— weather. number one is the amber weather warning for large parts of weather warning for large parts or rne— weather warning for large parts or are seanrry— weather warning for large parts of the country for— weather warning for large parts of the country for the east and west— of the country for the east and west-as— of the country for the east and wesr-as weii- of the country for the east and west-as well as- west midlands as well as searnern— west midlands as well as southern england and east of ingiansi— southern england and east of ingiani. se— southern england and east of england. so the— southern england and east of england. so the amber weather

warning— england. so the amber weather warning is— england. so the amber weather warning is basically the second of warning is basically the second ei rnree— warning is basically the second or rnree-ani— warning is basically the second of three -and that- of three tiers. and that pasisaiiy— of three tiers. and that basically means it's not just wainerapie— basically means it's not just vulnerable people that are at risi— vulnerable people that are at risk iron— vulnerable people that are at risk from the— vulnerable people that are at risk from the heat health alert rnar-s— risk from the heat health alert rnar-s peen— risk from the heat health alert that's been put— risk from the heat health alert that's been put out by the uk. incis— that's been put out by the uk. more rnar-s— that's been put out by the uk. ehcr that's the— that's been put out by the uk. ehcr that's the health and sesariry— ehcr that's the health and security agency. not just security agency. it's not just peepie— security agency. it's not just peepie-nignr- security agency. it's not just- people-might-problems people that might have problems witn— people that might have problems with—diseases- people that might have problems with—diseases .- with cardiovascular diseases. is— with cardiovascular diseases. ir-slier— with cardiovascular diseases. ir-slierlpeepie- with cardiovascular diseases. it's lot people within it's a lot of people within sesiery— it's a lot of people within society could— it's a lot of people within society could be at risk if they spent— society could be at risk if they spent ree— society could be at risk if they spent ree ieng— society could be at risk if they spend too long out the sun spend too long out in the sun reiay— spend too long out in the sun reiay-rney— spend too long out in the sun today-they don't- spend too long out in the sun today they don't drink lots today and they don't drink lots of today and they don't drink lots ei-rnar— today and they don't drink lots ei-rnar is— today and they don't drink lots of-that is number. today and they don't drink lots of that is number one. of water. so that is number one. ine— of water. so that is number one. ine seseni— of water. so that is number one. the second thing,— of water. so that is number one. the second thing, as you said, rnee— the second thing, as you said, rnere a— the second thing, as you said, there a-moments- the second thing, as you said, there a moments is there a few moments ago, is rnese— there a few moments ago, is rnese yeiiew— there a few moments ago, is these yellow weather warnings for thunderstorms and for rains. inese— for thunderstorms and for rains. inese are— for thunderstorms and for rains. inese par— for thunderstorms and for rains. these are put out— for thunderstorms and for rains. these are put out by the met oiiise— these are put out by the met oiiise ani— these are put out by the met office and what— these are put out by the met office and what they're warning about— office and what they're warning about is— office and what they're warning about is anar— office and what they're warning about is that there could be thunderstorm _ about is that there could be thunderstorm forms throughout the thunderstorm forms throughout rne seanrry. — thunderstorm forms throughout the country. now,— thunderstorm forms throughout the country. now, the yellow wearner— the country. now, the yellow weather warning— the country. now, the yellow weather warning is the lowest rier. — weather warning is the lowest rier. se— weather warning is the lowest rier. se anar— weather warning is the lowest tier. so that means that there's the tier. so that means that there's rne pessipiiiry— tier. so that means that there's the possibility .— tier. so that means that there's the possibility . so— tier. so that means that there's the possibility . so lots of the possibility. so lots of peepie— the possibility. so lots of peepie ar— the possibility. so lots of people at home might be saying, we haven't seen any thunderstorms. we haven't seen any- thunderstorms-basically thunderstorms. it's basically tast— thunderstorms. it's basically iasr-rnere— thunderstorms. it's basically iasr-rnerela- thunderstorms. it's basically just there a warning just that there is a warning anar— just that there is a warning in rnee— just that there is a warning that there possibility that there is a possibility what anar— that there is a possibility what in eans— that there is a possibility what that means, if— that there is a possibility what that means, if there's that pessipiiiry. — that means, if there's that possibility, as— that means, if there's that possibility, as might have a possibility, as you might have a sateen— possibility, as you might have a sudden thunderstorm, get some iesaiisei— sudden thunderstorm, get some localised _flooding- sudden thunderstorm, get some localised flooding and localised flooding, flooding and that localised flooding, flooding and in seaii— localised flooding, flooding and that could cause— localised flooding, flooding and that could cause disruption for rrawei— that could cause disruption for rrawei ine— that could cause disruption for travel. the latest— that could cause disruption for travel. the latest news on this

now .— travel. the latest news on this . rneagn.— travel. the latest news on this . rneagn. is— travel. the latest news on this now , though, is that the met now, though, is that the met oiiise— now, though, is that the met oiiise-iasr— now, though, is that the met office just brought in a office has just brought in a piano— office has just brought in a brand ne— office has just brought in a brand new yellow weather warning for brand new yellow weather warning rer-ier— brand new yellow weather warning for for thunderstorms . for tomorrow for thunderstorms. so for tomorrow for thunderstorms. se-yea— for tomorrow for thunderstorms. se-yea een-r— for tomorrow for thunderstorms. so-you don't see- for tomorrow for thunderstorms. so you don't see them so you if you don't see them today— so you if you don't see them reiay-nignr— today, you might see thunderstorms in england, wales, sseriani— thunderstorms in england, wales, oseriani ani— thunderstorms in england, wales, scotland and northern ireland tomorrow . well,— scotland and northern ireland tomorrow. �*firicc c“ri"ri scotland and northern ireland tomorrow. �*firicc c“i”ri scotland and northern ireland tomorrow. grir tomorrow. well, there you go. i do love how excited we get as brits about about the weather. oh, a storm's coming . oh, it's oh, a storm's coming. oh, it's a bit hot today. and the nhs and the government all put out their statements. thank you very much indeed. statements. thank you very much indeed . will overcast in indeed. will overcast in nottingham. roaring hot here nottingham. but roaring hot here in london. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. we've got lots more coming today's show. more coming up on today's show. keir you be keir starmer told you we'd be scrutinising the labour party a little making a u—turn little bit. he's making a u—turn on plans spend 28 billion a on plans to spend 28 billion a year new green jobs and year on new green jobs and technology. given up on technology. has he given up on net zero? is this a huge setback for the labour party? find out more news with rory more after the news with rory smith . more after the news with rory smith. thank more after the news with rory smith . thank you very much, smith. thank you very much, iniiy. — smith. thank you very much, iniiy. inree— smith. thank you very much, emily. three british- thank you very much, emily. three british tourists are emily. three british tourists

missing— emily. three british tourists are missing after a dive boat parsi— are missing after a dive boat parsr inro— are missing after a dive boat burst into flames in the red sea of burst into flames in the red sea er igypr. — burst into flames in the red sea of egypt. officials— burst into flames in the red sea of egypt. officials say 12 nrirens— of egypt. officials say 12 britons were _ of egypt. officials say 12 britons were rescued along with 12 britons were rescued along with re igypiian— britons were rescued along with re igypiian se— britons were rescued along with 12 egyptian crew and guides. the rereign— 12 egyptian crew and guides. the rereign oiiise— 12 egyptian crew and guides. the foreign office has— 12 egyptian crew and guides. the foreign office has confirmed it's foreign office has confirmed its in— foreign office has confirmed it's in contact— foreign office has confirmed it's in contact with egyptian authorities— it's in contact with egyptian authorities and _ it's in contact with egyptian authorities and assisting those inweiwei— authorities and assisting those inweiwei .— authorities and assisting those involved . one— authorities and assisting those involved . one of— authorities and assisting those involved . one of boris johnson's involved. one of boris johnson's aiiies— involved. one of boris johnson's aiiies says— involved. one of boris johnson's allies says the— involved. one of boris johnson's allies says the resignations of awe— allies says the resignations of awe iery— allies says the resignations of awe iery iris— allies says the resignations of two tory mps was— allies says the resignations of two tory mps was not a coordinated— two tory mps was not a coordinated attempt to undermine the coordinated attempt to undermine are nine— coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister.— coordinated attempt to undermine the prime minister. sirjacob isees-iiegg— the prime minister. sirjacob rees—mogg says there is no plot against— rees—mogg says there is no plot againsr isisni — rees—mogg says there is no plot against rishi sunak and he peiiewes— against rishi sunak and he believes he— against rishi sunak and he believes he should remain leader . ne— believes he should remain leader . ne aise— believes he should remain leader . he also suggested mrjohnson seaii— . he also suggested mrjohnson seaii rearin— . he also suggested mrjohnson could return to— . he also suggested mrjohnson could return to westminster , could return to westminster, saying — could return to westminster, saying no — could return to westminster, saying he could— could return to westminster, saying he could easily get back inro— saying he could easily get back into parliament— saying he could easily get back into parliament at— saying he could easily get back into parliament at the next eiesrien. — into parliament at the next election. one— into parliament at the next election. icii“ri into parliament at the next election. : election. one always deserves blame for one's own mistakes. it would be absurd of me to pretend . ed. would be absurd of me to pretend , ed, that boris hasn't made mistakes. there was a man called peter wentworth who in the late 16th century was locked up in the tower for saying in the house of commons, none is without fault. not our without fault. no, not our gracious queen. the same could be said of boris. is

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finances. police scotland have said— finances. police scotland have said .— finances. police scotland have said . ier-s— finances. police scotland have said . ier-s ge— finances. police scotland have said . let's go live— finances. police scotland have said . let's go live now to our said. let's go live now to our peiirisai— said. let's go live now to our political editor. _ said. let's go live now to our political editor. oh, he's not win— political editor. oh, he's not win as— political editor. oh, he's not win as yer. — political editor. oh, he's not with us yet. we'll have him in iasr—we-ii- with us yet. we'll have him in iasr—we-ii eel just one moment. we'll be gearing— just one moment. we'll be gearing-very— just one moment. we'll be getting very latest indeed. getting the very latest indeed. we-ii—re— getting the very latest indeed. we'll—to that. - getting the very latest indeed. we'll to that. that getting the very latest indeed. l we'll—to that. that is we'll be coming to that. that is big we'll be coming to that. that is pig news— we'll be coming to that. that is big news. nicola— we'll be coming to that. that is big news. nicola sturgeon, the former—nas- big news. nicola sturgeon, the former—has been. former snp leader, has been arresrei— former snp leader, has been arrested over— former snp leader, has been arrested over the— former snp leader, has been arrested over the investigation inro— arrested over the investigation we pany— arrested over the investigation into party finances. arrested over the investigation into party finances . we'll be into party finances. we'll be gearing— into party finances. we'll be getting rne— into party finances. we'll be getting rne very— into party finances. we'll be getting the very latest peiiiisai— getting the very latest political response to that anaiysis— political response to that anaiysis as— political response to that analysis as well from our very iepary— analysis as well from our very own deputy deputy political eiirer— own deputy deputy political editor ien — own deputy deputy political editor tom harwood in just one moment — editor tom harwood in just one moment oar— editor tom harwood in just one moment. but first,— editor tom harwood in just one moment. but first, we're going to moment. but first, we're going re ssrarin— moment. but first, we're going to scrutin inaya_ moment. but first, we're going to scrutin inaya the labour party— to scrutin inaya the labour party a— to scrutin inaya the labour party a little. _ to scrutin inaya the labour party a little. sir keir starmer ani— party a little. sir keir starmer ani rne— party a little. sir keir starmer ani rne pany— party a little. sir keir starmer and the party have taken another up...— and the party have taken another u—turn, backtracking on its economic plan _ u—turn, backtracking on its economic plan to spend 28 piiiien— economic plan to spend 28 piiiien a— economic plan to spend 28 billion a year— economic plan to spend 28 billion a year on new green jobs ani— billion a year on new green jobs and technologies— billion a year on new green jobs and technologies .— billion a year on new green jobs and technologies . rachel reeves, and technologies. rachel reeves, the and technologies. rachel reeves, rne snaiew— and technologies. rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, insists cowo— the shadow chancellor, insists covio anar— the shadow chancellor, insists covid that labour would look to ramp— covid that labour would look to ramp-green— covid that labour would look to ramp green investment ramp up green investment but pianei— ramp up green investment but blamed-tories— ramp up green investment but blamed-tories for- ramp up green investment but blamed tories for the sharp blamed the tories for the sharp ii—rarn. — blamed the tories for the sharp ii—rarn. sne— blamed the tories for the sharp u—turn. she says— blamed the tories for the sharp u—turn. she says she didn't foresee— u—turn. she says she didn't. foresee-conservatives foresee what the conservatives weaii— foresee what the conservatives weaiilre — foresee what the conservatives would to economy. is this would do to our economy. is this anerner— would do to our economy. is this anerner step— would do to our economy. is this another step-for— would do to our economy. is this another step for starmer another step back for starmer ani— another step back for starmer ani rne— another step back for starmer and the labour— another step back for starmer and the labour party? i'm joined by penny— and the labour party? i'm joined by nenny ieisen— and the labour party? i'm joined by benny peiser, who's the iiresrer— by benny peiser, who's the iiresrer ei— by benny peiser, who's the director of-zero.- by benny peiser, who's the director of zero. watch director of net zero. watch penny— director of net zero. watch nenny .— director of net zero. watch nenny . inani— director of net zero. watch benny , thank you very much

benny, thank you very much inieei. — benny, thank you very much inieei. wew— benny, thank you very much indeed. now to— benny, thank you very much indeed. now to me, it seems that anis— indeed. now to me, it seems that this backtrack— indeed. now to me, it seems that this backtrack from _ indeed. now to me, it seems that this backtrack from rachel iseees— this backtrack from rachel reeves fact _ this backtrack from rachel reeves fact they're not going to be reeves fact they're not going to is spending— reeves fact they're not going to be spending £28— reeves fact they're not going to be spending £28 billion a year on green— be spending £28 billion a year on green investment any time seens re— on green investment any time soon. seems to signal perhaps an acknowledgement— soon. seems to signal perhaps an acknowledgement that net zero peiisies— acknowledgement that net zero peiisies are— acknowledgement that net zero peiisies a— acknowledgement that net zero policies are a bit— acknowledgement that net zero policies are a bit pricey . yeah, policies are a bit pricey. yeah, inieei— policies are a bit pricey. yeah, inieei . — policies are a bit pricey. yeah, inieei . ani— policies are a bit pricey. yeah, indeed . and it's— policies are a bit pricey. yeah, indeed . and it's a- policies are a bit pricey. yeah, indeed . '“r: rriq policies are a bit pricey. yeah, indeed . “r: : indeed. and it's a very shrewd move. it shows that indeed. “r: : it shows that labour is move. it shows that labour is concerned about— it shows that labour is concerned about the economy and rney-re— concerned about the economy and rney-re reaiising— concerned about the economy and they're realising that ed miliband's_ they're realising that ed miliband's utopia and spending pians— miliband's utopia and spending pians are— miliband's utopia and spending pians iasr— miliband's utopia and spending plans are just not affordable ani— plans are just not affordable and rney— plans are just not affordable and rney — plans are just not affordable and they are. ”c: and they are. therefore, this u—turn makes them look just a little bit bit more credible. now because the plans were just, you know, suicidal for the economy. yes. you know, suicidal for the economy . yes. so in terms of economy. yes. so in terms of iapear— economy. yes. so in terms of iapear parry.— economy. yes. so in terms of labour party, how— economy. yes. so in terms of labour party, how is- i yes. so in terms of labour party, how is it trying to labour party, how is it trying re ir— labour party, how is it trying re it needs— labour party, how is it trying to it needs to— labour party, how is it trying to it needs to reach out to both rne— to it needs to reach out to both are ienien— to it needs to reach out to both the london metropolitan and city iweiiers— the london metropolitan and city iweiiers wne— the london metropolitan and city dwellers who are _ the london metropolitan and city dwellers who are very pro net par— dwellers who are very pro net zero, but also— dwellers who are very pro net zero, but also working class rees— zero, but also working class weersr wne— zero, but also working class voters who may— zero, but also working class voters who may well work in inese— voters who may well work in these industries.— voters who may well work in these industries. how can it sgaae— these industries. how can it

sgaae anar— these industries. how can it square that circle ? well, this square that circle? well, this is very— square that circle? well, this is very difficult. _ square that circle? well, this is very difficult. '“r: square that circle? well, this is very difficult. '; square that circle? well, this is very difficult. “r: g is very difficult. and my guess is very difficult. and my guess is they won't do that until they are in power countries around europe are beginning to water down and abandon these policies because there is such a public upheaval around europe about the cost of energy . i expect the cost of energy. i expect the sesa— cost of energy. i expect the sesr ei— cost of energy. i expect the sesr er energy— cost of energy. i expect the cost of energy and- i ri“ri”r:wr i expect the cost of energy and the cost of ne—rere re— cost of energy and the cost of net—zero to be— cost of energy and the cost of net—zero to be one of the key eiesrien— net—zero to be one of the key election issues— net—zero to be one of the key election issues ,_ net—zero to be one of the key election issues , and i wouldn't election issues, and i wouldn't be election issues, and i wouldn't is surprised— election issues, and i wouldn't be surprised if— election issues, and i wouldn't be surprised if that isn't the iasr— be surprised if that isn't the iasr u—rarn— be surprised if that isn't the last u—turn . _ be surprised if that isn't the last u—turn . '“r: r:rir last u—turn. and what do you think this says in terms of the conservative party too? because the conservative party is very much pushing net zero policy as well. yes, they haven't signed up to £28 billion a year of green invest, but up to £28 billion a year of green invest , but they're not green invest, but they're not far behind, are they? no no. this is why the conservatives in— this is why the conservatives in sasn— this is why the conservatives in sasn a— this is why the conservatives are in such a mess. they've esei— are in such a mess. they've esei ap— are in such a mess. they've messed up the— are in such a mess. they've messed up the economy. they've esei— messed up the economy. they've esei ap— messed up the economy. they've esei ap ea— messed up the economy. they've messed up our energy infrastructure . our the energy infrastructure. our the energy is one— infrastructure. our the energy is ei— infrastructure. our the energy is or are — infrastructure. our the energy is one of the highest in the werisi— is one of the highest in the went. so— is one of the highest in the world. so they— is one of the highest in the

world. so they have really very iirrie— world. so they have really very iirrie re— world. so they have really very little to show. _ world. so they have really very little to show. and— world. so they have really very little to show. and they just nope— little to show. and they just nepe anar— little to show. and they just hope that that— little to show. and they just hope that that labour will keep this hope that that labour will keep rnis premise— hope that that labour will keep this promise to— hope that that labour will keep this promise to ban oil and gas ieweiepnenr— this promise to ban oil and gas development in— this promise to ban oil and gas development in the north sea pease— development in the north sea pease rney— development in the north sea because they hope that they can turn — because they hope that they can turn anis— because they hope that they can ran an . — because they hope that they can ran an . very— because they hope that they can turn this . very sorry- because they hope that they can turn this. «riq turn this. very sorry to interrupt you there, but i'm sure you've seen that. we've had the that nicola the breaking news that nicola sturgeon been sturgeon has. in fact been arrested. very arrested. but thank you very much indeed for your time. benny peiser zero watch. peiser there of net zero watch. yes, breaking news to yes, that's the breaking news to bdng yes, that's the breaking news to bring last few bring you in the last few moments. sturgeon has moments. nicola sturgeon has been arrested the been arrested in the investigation into the snp's finance . his police scotland finance. his police scotland have and i have nigel have said and i have nigel nelson here with me in the studio, nigel, this is an absolutely momentous thing to happen, isn't it? i mean, it's not paire— happen, isn't it? i mean, it's nei pairs is— happen, isn't it? i mean, it's not quite it's not— c c?’ i mean, it's not quite it's not really unexpected. _ not quite it's not really unexpected. we've been thinking for see— unexpected. we've been thinking for rime— unexpected. we've been thinking for some time that— unexpected. we've been thinking for some time that the police weaii— for some time that the police wewe-reei- for some time that the police would feel nicola would probably feel nicola srargeen-s— would probably feel nicola sturgeon's collar so far. she pees— sturgeon's collar so far. she becomes the _ sturgeon's collar so far. she becomes the third arrest now , becomes the third arrest now, ani— becomes the third arrest now, and wnar— becomes the third arrest now, and what they're— becomes the third arrest now, and what they're investigating is . zoooooo— and what they're investigating is . £600,000 of— and what they're investigating is . £600,000 of donations . ' “r: is. £600,000 of donations. and quire— is. £600,000 of donations. and gaire wne— is. £600,000 of donations. and gaire wne wa— is. £600,000 of donations. and quite who was doing what with them. now there's been no charges yet for anybody . it was

charges yet for anybody. it was very likely that nicola sturgeon, as first minister and leader of the snp at the time, would eventually have to be questioned by police . well, yes. questioned by police. well, yes. and who else?— questioned by police. well, yes. and who else? so— questioned by police. well, yes. and who else? so far— questioned by police. well, yes. and who else? so far has- : : riri well, yes. and who else? so far has been gaesrienei— and who else? so far has been gaesrienei py— and who else? so far has been questioned by police remind us. wei— questioned by police remind us. weii. ner— questioned by police remind us. well, her husband— questioned by police remind us. well, her husband has- questioned by police remind us. and well, her husband has. and there's one other who - well, her husband has. and there's one other who i- and there's one other who i now roger.— there's one other who i now rerger. par— there's one other who i now forget, but certainly her naspani— forget, but certainly her husband has— forget, but certainly her husband has been been questioned pease— husband has been been questioned pease ne— husband has been been questioned because he was— husband has been been questioned because he was looking after inese— because he was looking after inese ianis— because he was looking after those funds and— because he was looking after those funds and i would imagine ag— those funds and i would imagine in were— those funds and i would imagine that there would _ those funds and i would imagine that there would be more that the that there would be more that are wneie— that there would be more that the whole question of snp iinanses— the whole question of snp finances is— the whole question of snp finances is are— the whole question of snp finances is are now coming under the finances is are now coming under are nisessepe— finances is are now coming under rne iseessep ap— finances is are now coming under the microscope up and there are iiieiy— the microscope up and there are iiieiy re— the microscope up and there are iiieiy re pe— the microscope up and there are likely to be others— the microscope up and there are likely to be others who will be wne-ii— likely to be others who will be wne-ii pe— likely to be others who will be who'll be looked _ likely to be others who will be who'll be looked at. ' “r: likely to be others who will be who'll be looked at. '“r: c who'll be looked at. and it's interesting because all eyes have been on westminster and the political saga that's going on within the conservative party. look to scotland snp former leader arrested. yeah, that's why— leader arrested. yeah, that's wny ir-s— leader arrested. yeah, that's wny its been— leader arrested. yeah, that's why it's been an— : : yeah, that's why it's been an extraordinary weeieni— why it's been an extraordinary weekend really— why it's been an extraordinary weekend really absolutely extraordinary— weekend really absolutely extraordinary . ' “r: weekend really absolutely extraordinary. “r: weekend really absolutely extraordinary . ' “r: : extraordinary. and what does this mean for the snp ? will this this mean for the snp? will this dominate the headlines ? it seems dominate the headlines? it seems to me that the snp seem to

sometimes get away with this sort of thing. it comes in and out of the papers. it comes in and the limelight, but and out of the limelight, but this huge . nicola this is absolutely huge. nicola sturgeon arrested potentially over the finances of the party. i think that the snp are eiwieasiy— i think that the snp are obviously in— i think that the snp are obviously in real trouble over anis— obviously in real trouble over rnis. anar— obviously in real trouble over rnis. in i— obviously in real trouble over this, that i mean— obviously in real trouble over this, that i mean it wasn't it asnr— this, that i mean it wasn't it asnr a— this, that i mean it wasn't it asnr a very— this, that i mean it wasn't it wasn't a very good look but they seaiin-r— wasn't a very good look but they seaiin-r een— wasn't a very good look but they couldn't even find— wasn't a very good look but they couldn't even find any accountants- couldn't even find any accountants actually sign off accountants to actually sign off on accountants to actually sign off en en ineir— accountants to actually sign off on on their accounts . so in on on their accounts. so in eiesrerai— on on their accounts. so in electoral terms— on on their accounts. so in electoral terms that the opinion peiis— electoral terms that the opinion peiis nave— electoral terms that the opinion polls have been— electoral terms that the opinion polls have been sort of dipping for non.— polls have been sort of dipping for them, labour— polls have been sort of dipping for them, labour will want to anis— for them, labour will want to we as— for them, labour will want to use this as the— for them, labour will want to use this as the best opportunity rney— use this as the best opportunity rney san— use this as the best opportunity rney re— use this as the best opportunity they can to capture some seats up they can to capture some seats up in— they can to capture some seats ap in ap— they can to capture some seats ap in ap in— they can to capture some seats up in up in scotland. what keir srarner— up in up in scotland. what keir starmer really— up in up in scotland. what keir starmer really needs is if he ger— starmer really needs is if he ger zo— starmer really needs is if he can get 20 seats— starmer really needs is if he can get 20 seats up in scotland so can get 20 seats up in scotland se ne— can get 20 seats up in scotland so no ieesn-r— can get 20 seats up in scotland so he doesn't have— can get 20 seats up in scotland so he doesn't have to worry aboar— so he doesn't have to worry about a— so he doesn't have to worry about a nang— so he doesn't have to worry about a hung parliament down nere. — about a hung parliament down nere. ani— about a hung parliament down here. and-does- about a hung parliament down. here. and-does-mean here. and what does this mean for humza yusuf, who has for humza yousaf yusuf, who has only over leader for humza yousaf yusuf, who has onthe over leader for humza yousaf yusuf, who has onthe party? over leader for humza yousaf yusuf, who has onthe party? yeah,r leader for humza yousaf yusuf, who has onthe party? yeah, it leader for humza yousaf yusuf, who has onthe party? yeah, it wasader for humza yousaf yusuf, who has onthe party? yeah, it was the of the party? yeah, it was the worst time possible. he could do that. worst time possible. he could do rnar. nes— worst time possible. he could do inar. we trying— worst time possible. he could do that. he's trying to— c he could do that. he's trying to distance ninseii— that. he's trying to distance himself from _ that. he's trying to distance himself from the whole thing and fair eneagn.— himself from the whole thing and fair enough, he's— himself from the whole thing and fair enough, he's not been inpiisarei— fair enough, he's not been implicated in— fair enough, he's not been implicated in any of this. so as far as— implicated in any of this. so as far as nis— implicated in any of this. so as far as his position— implicated in any of this. so as far as his position goes , he'll far as his position goes, he'll probably i mean, he probably is

okay, but it's not the greatest start to a leadership. no. and of course, there was so much talk speculation over why talk and speculation over why nicola sturgeon stepped down as leader. was it over the gender resegnirien— leader. was it over the gender recognition laws— : was it over the gender recognition laws that were ieepiy— recognition laws that were deeply controversial or was it anis— deeply controversial or was it we — deeply controversial or was it we i— deeply controversial or was it this case? i have- deeply controversial or was it this case? i have to say, what i what i heard her speak when she actually did step down, i found that quite genuine, that basically she'd had enough, that she'd spent really nigel most of her life in politics and there comes a point where you say, look, enough is enough. she wanted some, some time wanted some, some me time basically, that sounded good. basically, so that sounded good. but the suspicion is but obviously the suspicion is that this swirling around that this was swirling around behind the scenes and that's why one of the reasons why she knew it time to go. and this is it was time to go. and this is not it was time to go. and this is net rne— it was time to go. and this is nor are risi— it was time to go. and this is not the first scandal- c c grir and this is not the first scandal engulf not the first scandal to engulf the not the first scandal to engulf ins-.— not the first scandal to engulf rnel is— not the first scandal to engulf rnel is ie— not the first scandal to engulf the-, is it? no,- not the first scandal to engulf the-, is it? no, i- not the first scandal to engulf the , is it? no, i mean, the the snp, is it? no, i mean, the own— the snp, is it? no, i mean, the own nave— the snp, is it? no, i mean, the own nawe nai— the snp, is it? no, i mean, the snp have had constant problems . snp have had constant problems. i snp have had constant problems. irnini— snp have had constant problems. irnini anis— snp have had constant problems. i think this is— snp have had constant problems. i think this is probably— snp have had constant problems. i think this is probably the- i think this is probably the worst though that they've ever had. something like this because when there are questions about how donors money is being used and ordinary people's money,

bearin and ordinary people's money, bear in mind these are ordinary supporters is how is being supporters is how that is being used. always very used. there's always a very bad look. thank very much . look. thank you very much. wigei.— look. thank you very much. wigei. wiii— look. thank you very much. nigel, will you— thank you very much. nigel, will you stay me nigel, will you stay with me nerez— nigel, will you stay with me neee-geing- nigel, will you stay with me here?-going to- nigel, will you stay with me here? going to go to here? we are going to go to tom narweei. — here? we are going to go to tom harwood. _political. harwood. our deputy political editor— harwood. our deputy political editor .— harwood. our deputy political editor . ion.— harwood. our deputy political editor . tom, are— harwood. our deputy political editor. tom, are you harwood. our deputy political editor . tom, are you there harwood. our deputy political editor. tom, are you there . editor. tom, are you there. inani— editor. tom, are you there. inani yea— editor. tom, are you there. thank you very- editor. tom, are you there. thank you very much indeed. got you thank you very much indeed. got yea easi— thank you very much indeed. got yea task in— thank you very much indeed. got you back in front— thank you very much indeed. got you back in front of— thank you very much indeed. got you back in front of the camera for snore— you back in front of the camera for more breaking— you back in front of the camera for more breaking news. nicola srargeen— for more breaking news. nicola sturgeon arrested— for more breaking news. nicola sturgeon arrested over investigation into party iinanses— investigation into party iinanses .— investigation into party finances . what a weekend it has finances. what a weekend it has ruined— finances. what a weekend it has turned ear— finances. what a weekend it has rained out re— finances. what a weekend it has turned out to be. _ finances. what a weekend it has turned out to be. krir ”ri~3c turned out to be. no rest for rne— turned out to be. no rest for the wicked friday afternoon is, of course, supposed to be a relatively quiet time. and yet we saw the resignation of boris johnson sunday. course, the johnson sunday. of course, the news to happen news is supposed to happen in the with big the morning with the big political shows. it's this political shows. well, it's this afternoon. what bombshell from afternoon. what a bombshell from the snp. course, many people the snp. of course, many people had been predicting that something like this could happen , although of course, the two previous arrests in this snp finance probe had happened. several months ago. let's not forget that there were three names on the financial documents

of the snp . the questionable of the snp. the questionable financial documents of the snp . financial documents of the snp. the person in charge of the party, the who indeed was nicola sturgeon's husband and who was the first arrest. but secondly , the first arrest. but secondly, the first arrest. but secondly, the party treasurer was the second arrest. but the third name on those documents was the party leader, nicola sturgeon. and many people were speculating that that police scotland would indeed be there for arrest and questioning. nicola sturgeon and indeed that is what has happened. nicola sturgeon has been arrested this afternoon. she sits currently in police custody, facing questions from police scotland . a remarkable police scotland. a remarkable turn of events from someone who held almost absolute power in scotland over only a few months ago . now, sitting in prison, ago. now, sitting in prison, arrested in custody of the police and the impact on her

reputation will be absolutely massive. iimagine reputation will be absolutely massive. i imagine many people, wnen— massive. i imagine many people, wnen rney— massive. i imagine many people, when they talked— i imagine many people, when they talked about nicola srargeen.— when they talked about nicola sturgeon, would _ when they talked about nicola sturgeon, would say she is a ianrasris— sturgeon, would say she is a fantastic politician or a priiiianr— fantastic politician or a brilliant orator , and now she's brilliant orator, and now she's sirring— brilliant orator, and now she's sirring in— brilliant orator, and now she's sitting in custody— brilliant orator, and now she's sitting in custody . she it is sitting in custody. she it is rne— sitting in custody. she it is are nosi— sitting in custody. she it is the most remarkable fall from grase— the most remarkable fall from grass or— the most remarkable fall from grace of course,— the most remarkable fall from grace of course, no doubt she wiii— grace of course, no doubt she wiii pe— grace of course, no doubt she will be released— grace of course, no doubt she will be released after this gaesriening— will be released after this questioning has completed. but it questioning has completed. but is iess— questioning has completed. but it does suggest— questioning has completed. but it does suggest that— questioning has completed. but it does suggest that there was a fairly large amount of evidence that got police scotland to this point . otherwise, why would they point. otherwise, why would they have brought in the former first minister of scotland for questioning? it does point to a lot of very, very deep, deep searching questions about how the snp has run its finances and of course the political implications cannot be overstated. there is, of course, a by—election coming up in scotland in the not too distant future . that is, if indeed the future. that is, if indeed the recall petition currently being

organised in the seat of margaret ferrier is successful, which all suggestions are that it will be 10% of the constituents or the voting constituents or the voting constituents within her seat in mid scotland in that central belt . we need to sign that belt. we need to sign that petition in order for a recall election to happen and indeed it is highly likely that that will passin is highly likely that that will pass in the not too distant future and therefore we will see the electoral effect of this turmoil within the snp. of course, their poll ratings had beenin course, their poll ratings had been in decline for several months now, but it does seem that the great benefit diaries of this snp polling collapse may well be the labour party . well, well be the labour party. well, yes, it's interesting— well be the labour party. well, yes, it's interesting that- well, yes, it's interesting that you raised— yes, it's interesting that you raisei anar— yes, it's interesting that you raised that point because ieeiing— raised that point because looking ahead- raised that point because looking ahead to a general eiesrien— looking ahead to a general election that— looking ahead to a general election that will come in not ree— election that will come in not see ieng— election that will come in not see ieng new— election that will come in not ree ieng .— election that will come in not too long now , actually humza too long now, actually humza veasai— too long now, actually humza veasai wiii— too long now, actually humza yousaf will be _ too long now, actually humza yousaf will be facing a huge snaiienge— yousaf will be facing a huge snaiienge re— yousaf will be facing a huge challenge to get back support for rne— challenge to get back support for we own— challenge to get back support for we own .— challenge to get back support for the snp . this will be huge

for the snp. this will be huge repararienai— for the snp. this will be huge reputational damage . c reputational damage. it seriainiy— reputational damage. it certainly will— reputational damage. it certainly will be. - reputational damage. it certainly will be. it's. reputational damage. it certainly will be. it's not impossible that the snp will be not not even the larger first party in scottish politics after the next election. it's looking likely now that they will not have an absolute majority of seats north of the border . we seats north of the border. we have probably seen the high water mark of the snp come and go and the implications for that are enormous. might they , after are enormous. might they, after are enormous. might they, after a less than impressive general election showing , might they in election showing, might they in the next scottish parliamentary elections lose their mandate to govern? they of course are already only governing in holyrood as part of a as part of a deal with the green party there. they don't have a majority of seats in the scottish parliament. they won only that. they only won a majority back in 2011. for that to come. so there are big, big questions over the over the political fortunes of the snp and the fallout from the

internal finance mess and the big questions of competency and propriety that have been raised and let's not forget humza yousaf was the sort of continuity candidate in the scottish national party internal election in their leadership election, he was seen to be the person who was closer to nicola sturgeon, closer to that regime that has now been rather well, that has now been rather well, that has now been rather well, that has had quite a lot of mud thrown at it, quite frankly . and thrown at it, quite frankly. and so there are questions in terms of whether the snp made the right choice in that leadership election, perhaps cleaner election, perhaps a cleaner break with the past would have been in been better for them in a political . what is clear political sense. what is clear is that there are big questions over how the snp has handled itself and no doubt political knock on effects from that. thank you very much indeed, knock on effects from that. - thank you very much indeed, tom harwood.— thank you very much indeed, tom narweei. oar— thank you very much indeed, tom harwood, our deputy political editor— harwood, our deputy political editor there, _ harwood, our deputy political editor there, bringing us the very— editor there, bringing us the wery iaresr— editor there, bringing us the very latest on— editor there, bringing us the very latest on what is an extra

ordinary— very latest on what is an extra eriinary srery— very latest on what is an extra ordinary story and— very latest on what is an extra ordinary story and a story rnar-s— ordinary story and a story that's rather— ordinary story and a story that's rather taken the heat off isisni— that's rather taken the heat off isisni sanai— that's rather taken the heat off rishi sunak perhaps nicola srargeen— rishi sunak perhaps nicola sturgeon arrested . that's over sturgeon arrested. that's over the investigation— sturgeon arrested. that's over the investigation into the party's— the investigation into the party's finances. so she is sirring— party's finances. so she is sirring in— party's finances. so she is sitting in custody. questions to be sitting in custody. questions to is answeei— sitting in custody. questions to be answered. absolutely massive news. i've still— be answered. absolutely massive news. i've still got— be answered. absolutely massive news. i've still got nigel weisen— news. i've still got nigel nelson here _ news. i've still got nigel nelson here with me in the sraiie— nelson here with me in the studio taking— nelson here with me in the studio taking the heat off rishi sanai— studio taking the heat off rishi sunak somewhat— studio taking the heat off rishi sunak somewhat out. blimey, i bet sunak somewhat out. blimey, i nor nes— sunak somewhat out. blimey, i bet he's relieved at the moment. he's probably out enjoying the sun now. he feels— he's probably out enjoying the sun now. he feels he quite pessipiy— sun now. he feels he quite pessipiy as— sun now. he feels he quite possibly as he— sun now. he feels he quite possibly as he can relax a bit, par— possibly as he can relax a bit, but obviously— possibly as he can relax a bit, but obviously this— possibly as he can relax a bit, but obviously this is quite serious and— but obviously this is quite serious and the real question is wnar— serious and the real question is wnar nappens— serious and the real question is what happens next? bear in mind the what happens next? bear in mind are prewieas— what happens next? bear in mind the previous two _ what happens next? bear in mind the previous two people were reieasei— the previous two people were released without— the previous two people were released without charge. yes, par— released without charge. yes, par i— released without charge. yes, par i mean— released without charge. yes, but i mean, there's some weird rnings— but i mean, there's some weird rnings nave— but i mean, there's some weird things have been— but i mean, there's some weird things have been going on that are things have been going on that reser— things have been going on that are peter murrell_ things have been going on that are peter murrell nicola srargeen-s— are peter murrell nicola sturgeon's husband's mother had a caravan seized— sturgeon's husband's mother had a caravan seized because police were investigating— a caravan seized because police were investigating it . there's a were investigating it. there's a lot were investigating it. there's a or geing— were investigating it. there's a or geing en— were investigating it. there's a lot going on behind the scenes anar— lot going on behind the scenes in we— lot going on behind the scenes in we een-r— lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about yet, par— that we don't know about yet, par its— that we don't know about yet, par its new— that we don't know about yet, but it's now beginning to come to but it's now beginning to come re irairien. — but it's now beginning to come to fruition. well,— but it's now beginning to come to fruition. �*firicc riq. but it's now beginning to come to fruition. �*firicc riq rt“ to fruition. well, very much so . and seeing nicola sturgeon arrested, what kind of questions

will be asked about the finances ? actually, can you remind us of exactly what was the concern and what is being investigated ? what is being investigated? which money, where, when, what? yeah, well, i mean, it was ioooooo— yeah, well, i mean, it was £600,000 and— yeah, well, i mean, it was £600,000 and these were ienariens— £600,000 and these were donations that— £600,000 and these were donations that were given during the donations that were given during rne iii— donations that were given during the eu referendum campaign. and wnar— the eu referendum campaign. and wnar rne— the eu referendum campaign. and wnar rne pany— the eu referendum campaign. and what the party promise was that rney— what the party promise was that rney weaii— what the party promise was that they would spend— what the party promise was that they would spend that money on they would spend that money on the independence— they would spend that money on the independence referendum sanpaign— the independence referendum sanpaign .— the independence referendum campaign . what seems to have campaign. what seems to have nappenei— campaign. what seems to have nappenei is— campaign. what seems to have happened is that— campaign. what seems to have happened is that that a lot of anar— happened is that that a lot of in money— happened is that that a lot of that money cannot be accounted for that money cannot be accounted ier ar— that money cannot be accounted for at rne— that money cannot be accounted for at the moment— that money cannot be accounted for at the moment .— that money cannot be accounted for at the moment . and that's for at the moment. and that's rne— for at the moment. and that's rne sa— for at the moment. and that's rne ei— for at the moment. and that's the crux of the— for at the moment. and that's the crux of the police investigation to try and find ear— investigation to try and find out wneie— investigation to try and find out where that— investigation to try and find out where that went . well out where that money went. well wiseia— out where that money went. well nicola sturgeon,— out where that money went. well nicola sturgeon, the snp , she nicola sturgeon, the snp, she rne— nicola sturgeon, the snp, she rne iase— nicola sturgeon, the snp, she was the face of— nicola sturgeon, the snp, she was the face of scotland for many— was the face of scotland for many peepie. — was the face of scotland for many people. she was the figurehead and the mother hen of scotland for people who were snp inclined inclined that way . a inclined inclined that way. a massive demise to see her now arrested in custody. public finances and party's finances under such scrutiny . as we were

under such scrutiny. as we were talking there with tom humza yousaf , yusuf has a massive yousaf, yusuf has a massive challenge on hands to well challenge on his hands to well reputationally to lift the snp out of this mess. yes i mean in a wiseia— out of this mess. yes i mean in a sense nicola sturgeon- yes i mean in a sense nicola sturgeon was the own— a sense nicola sturgeon was the own one— a sense nicola sturgeon was the own one was— a sense nicola sturgeon was the snp. she was that— a sense nicola sturgeon was the snp. she was that she that she a reaiiy— snp. she was that she that she was a really charismatic peiirisian— was a really charismatic politician in— was a really charismatic politician in a- was a really charismatic politician in a sense like boris rennsen— politician in a sense like boris rennsen reaiiy— politician in a sense like boris johnson really .— politician in a sense like boris johnson really . and he certainly johnson really. and he certainly pesae— johnson really. and he certainly pesae rne— johnson really. and he certainly became the, the— johnson really. and he certainly became the, the absolute essence of rne— became the, the absolute essence or we own— became the, the absolute essence or we own .— became the, the absolute essence of the snp . and— became the, the absolute essence of the snp . and i— became the, the absolute essence of the snp . and i think tom was of the snp. and i think tom was rignr— of the snp. and i think tom was rignr anar— of the snp. and i think tom was right that when— of the snp. and i think tom was right that when he— of the snp. and i think tom was right that when he was talking aboar— right that when he was talking about ransa— right that when he was talking about humza yousaf being the seminary— about humza yousaf being the continuity candidate , he was continuity candidate, he was wery— continuity candidate, he was wery nasn— continuity candidate, he was wery nasn ner— continuity candidate, he was very much her choice . he was very much her choice. he was wery— very much her choice. he was wery nasn— very much her choice. he was wery nasn anar— very much her choice. he was very much that he— very much her choice. he was very much that he was going to senrinae— very much that he was going to continue what— very much that he was going to continue what nicola sturgeon sense.— continue what nicola sturgeon started so— continue what nicola sturgeon started. so obviously there will be started. so obviously there will is gaesrien— started. so obviously there will be question marks over humza veasai— be question marks over humza yousaf leadership— be question marks over humza yousaf leadership depending wneie— yousaf leadership depending wnere anis— yousaf leadership depending where this investigation goes . where this investigation goes. nar— where this investigation goes. one wnar— where this investigation goes. but what does— where this investigation goes. but what does humza- where this investigation goes. but what does humza yousaf do in this situation as the head of the snp does he now have to release a statement and does he need to do a press conference? because this is big stuff. yeah, he needs to be seen as taking this extremely , very seriously.

this extremely, very seriously. i think if i was in his position i think if i was in his position i would do what, say rishi sunak is doing and go and enjoy the sun and stay quiet. i don't think there's any chance of, of having with this having some enjoyment with this in the news. no. but i mean the wing— in the news. no. but i mean the rning is— in the news. no. but i mean the rning is anar— in the news. no. but i mean the thing is that there's— “ no. but i mean the thing is that there's very iirrie— thing is that there's very iirrie ne— thing is that there's very little he can— thing is that there's very little he can say that we're sriii—ei- little he can say that we're still—oflpolicej still the stages of a police investigation.— still the stages of a police investigation. no, no charges investigation. no no, no charges nave— investigation. no no, no charges nawe peen— investigation. no no, no charges nawe been made— investigation. no no, no charges have been made ,_ investigation. no no, no charges have been made , let alone any have been made, let alone any kind— have been made, let alone any kind or— have been made, let alone any kind or seari— have been made, let alone any kind of court case,— have been made, let alone any kind of court case, even if one sneaii— kind of court case, even if one sneaii nappen— kind of court case, even if one should happen. so— kind of court case, even if one should happen. so at the moment .rnere-s— should happen. so at the moment .rnere-s wery— should happen. so at the moment , there's very little— should happen. so at the moment , there's very little that humza veasai— , there's very little that humza veasai san— , there's very little that humza yousaf can actually or do. yousaf can actually say or do. ani— yousaf can actually say or do. one anis— yousaf can actually say or do. one we is— yousaf can actually say or do. one we is a— yousaf can actually say or do. and this is a party that exists to and this is a party that exists re wei— and this is a party that exists re weii pe— and this is a party that exists to well be break— and this is a party that exists to well be break the united kingdom— to well be break the united iingien re— to well be break the united kingdom to separate scotland iron— kingdom to separate scotland iron rne— kingdom to separate scotland from the united— kingdom to separate scotland from the united kingdom. '“r: from the united kingdom. and now enireiiei— from the united kingdom. and now enireiiei in— from the united kingdom. and now embroiled in all— from the united kingdom. and now embroiled in all of— from the united kingdom. and now embroiled in all of this. from the united kingdom. and now embroiled in all of this . well, embroiled in all of this. well, allegations , investigations into allegations, investigations into the parties finances. so it lost sight of its aim. perhaps. we've seen the snp adopt many progressive policies . they've progressive policies. they've seen huge division when it came to choosing their now leader, humza yousaf . the party itself

humza yousaf. the party itself is sort of falling apart without doubt even this. well, i mean certainly it's taken a lot of the efforts away from from the independence movement. i mean, i think as long as the— independence movement. i mean, i think as long as the snp— independence movement. i mean, i think as long as the snp can- think as long as the snp can noisi— think as long as the snp can not irseii— think as long as the snp can hold itself together, it will aiways— hold itself together, it will aiways pe — hold itself together, it will aiways is a— hold itself together, it will always be a party of independence . and the whole independence. and the whole point— independence. and the whole peinr rnere— independence. and the whole point there was— independence. and the whole point there was that because in sseriani— point there was that because in oseriani rney— point there was that because in scotland they voted to remain in the scotland they voted to remain in are iii.— scotland they voted to remain in are in. rnee— scotland they voted to remain in the eu, there is— scotland they voted to remain in the eu, there is a— scotland they voted to remain in the eu, there is a very good wny— the eu, there is a very good reason why they— the eu, there is a very good reason why they should now have anerner— reason why they should now have another independence referendum pease— another independence referendum because everything's changed sise— because everything's changed zon— because everything's changed since 2014 as— because everything's changed since 2014 as well. r:rir“ c since 2014 as well. i don't know about that, but i will remind viewers that we are we have break ing news today. nicola sturgeon has been arrested. this is in the investigation into the snp's finances. police scotland have said this. they have released this statement . this is released this statement. this is momentous. we've seen previously her husband taken in for questioning. we've seen various people will be accused of making well , essentially the party's

well, essentially the party's finances are under massive scrutiny and it is now a police investigation. and nicola sturgeon has herself been arrested as the leader of the snp. what other consequences to this might there be? well, i think we've got— this might there be? well, i think we've got we've- 3x irric well, i think we've got we've got to see wnere— think we've got we've got to see wnere rne — think we've got we've got to see where the investigation goes. i mean, certainly— where the investigation goes. i mean, certainly she will be gaesrienei. — mean, certainly she will be questioned. it— mean, certainly she will be questioned. it may well be sns-ii— questioned. it may well be sne-ii pe— questioned. it may well be she'll be released without snarge— she'll be released without snarge .— she'll be released without snarge . ner— she'll be released without charge . her husband was was charge. her husband was was gaesrienei— charge. her husband was was questioned for— charge. her husband was was questioned for 12— charge. her husband was was questioned for 12 hours when, wnen— questioned for 12 hours when, wnen ne— questioned for 12 hours when, wnen ne was— questioned for 12 hours when, when he was arrested . but so when he was arrested. but so fari— when he was arrested. but so far. rne— when he was arrested. but so far, the important thing is no snarges— far, the important thing is no snarges nave— far, the important thing is no charges have actually been made . ani— charges have actually been made . one so— charges have actually been made . one so ar— charges have actually been made . and so at the— charges have actually been made . and so at the moment, i think we nave— . and so at the moment, i think we nawe re— . and so at the moment, i think we have to let— . and so at the moment, i think we have to let the— . and so at the moment, i think we have to let the investigation run we have to let the investigation iss— we have to let the investigation run its course— we have to let the investigation run its course and— we have to let the investigation run its course and see if they weii— run its course and see if they weii . — run its course and see if they are well . ji�*ii~3c. t: are well. presumably she could be out very soon and it would be very, very quick indeed. yeah. so a few question is and off you go. yeah, i wouldn't i wouldn't eapesr— go. yeah, i wouldn't i wouldn't expesr ir— go. yeah, i wouldn't i wouldn't expesr is re— go. yeah, i wouldn't i wouldn't expect it to stay— grir yeah, i wouldn't i wouldn't expect it to stay that long. nar— expect it to stay that long. one i— expect it to stay that long. one i e.an— expect it to stay that long. one i i— expect it to stay that long. but i mean, i would- expect it to stay that long. but i mean, i would think it's pretty questioning and pretty intense questioning and there's to there's a lot the police need to know. they've know. and now they've finally gone former of the gone to the former leader of the snp, the former first minister. it just how seriously the it shows just how seriously the police it . well, it police are taking it. well, it

does indeed. and any does very much indeed. and any accusation-corruption- does very much indeed. and any accusation-corruption in- accusation of corruption in peiiriss— accusation of corruption in politics should— accusation of corruption in politics should be taken serieasiy— politics should be taken seriously, particularly when it inweiwes— seriously, particularly when it involves such— seriously, particularly when it involves such a— seriously, particularly when it involves such a massive amount of involves such a massive amount or ney— involves such a massive amount of money. £600,000. where did it go? of money. £600,000. where did it gez wnere— of money. £600,000. where did it gez wnere was— of money. £600,000. where did it go? where was it— of money. £600,000. where did it go? where was it used? who was it go? where was it used? who was is assi— go? where was it used? who was is asei eye— go? where was it used? who was it used by? massive— go? where was it used? who was it used by? massive questions . it used by? massive questions. ani— it used by? massive questions. and in— it used by? massive questions. and in reins— it used by? massive questions. and in terms of— it used by? massive questions. and in terms of the snp future, if we— and in terms of the snp future, if we raie— and in terms of the snp future, if we take away— and in terms of the snp future, if we take away from this panisaiar— if we take away from this particular issue over the party's— particular issue over the party's finances, where are rneyz— party's finances, where are rneyz new— party's finances, where are they? how are— party's finances, where are they? how are they doing under ransa— they? how are they doing under humza yousafs_ they? how are they doing under humza yousafs leadership? i rnini— humza yousafs leadership? i rnini rne— humza yousafs leadership? i think the problem is that this anis— think the problem is that this we is— think the problem is that this this is rather— think the problem is that this this is rather dominated eweryrning.— this is rather dominated everything, which is the so in fairness— everything, which is the so in iairness re— everything, which is the so in fairness to him,— everything, which is the so in fairness to him, he hasn't had a sannse— fairness to him, he hasn't had a sannse re— fairness to him, he hasn't had a chance to really— fairness to him, he hasn't had a chance to really show what he wiii— chance to really show what he wiii ie— chance to really show what he wiii ie as— chance to really show what he will do as leader— chance to really show what he will do as leader ,_ chance to really show what he will do as leader , what they've will do as leader, what they've got re— will do as leader, what they've got re se— will do as leader, what they've gei re err— will do as leader, what they've got to see off in— will do as leader, what they've got to see off in scotland is a iapear— got to see off in scotland is a labour challenge. �*firi grirc labour challenge. we've got a general election certainly within the next 18 months, could be year be lot sooner be a year, could be a lot sooner after boris johnson has up after boris johnson has been up to. so what the snp needs to do is try and get get themselves back on course again because otherwise labour will will take them over. well thank you very much indeed. nigel nelson. there our senior political—

rt“ :: nigel nelson. there our senior political commentator